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From: pattyh@sequent.com (Patricia A. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: This reminds me of a story . . .
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:14:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec21.191421.13626
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.


Hi all!

All of these stories about dogs who chase horses reminded me of
a story I read someone some time ago.  The author told of a pony
she'd had as a child (if I recall correctly) who loved to chase
cats.  At first, just chasing them was fun.  Then he discovered
that he could grab a cat by the tail and swing the poor creature
around.  Eviedently getting scratched in the face didn't serve
to decrease his pleasure in swinging cats around.  One day, he was
out in a field of fairly tall grass, and he saw a black fluffy tail,
and apparently assuming it belonged to a long-haired black cat that
he loved to torment, he grabbed it and gave it a swing--and yes--
got a face full of skunk spray.

The story was very funny.  Reading these posts brought it to mind,
and I thought you might like it.

Patty
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Horseman's Source videos
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:40:52 GMT

I'd just like to put in a quick plug for Horseman's Source
video mail-order rental (and purchase).  I first saw them mentioned
on the net many months ago (last year?), and the recent mention in
another article prompted me to give them a public recommendation.

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a letter.  You can reserve titles in advance, and they will give
personalized service, such as noting your out-of-town schedule
so they don't ship a video you've been waiting for at a time when
you won't be home to receive it.

The cost is much more expensive than renting at your local video
store - but your local video store doesn't have these tapes!  And
it's much cheaper than buying.  You can rent 8 or 9 videos for
the average price of purchasing one.  Renting two videos at a time
(cheaper, because the shipping is less) is $16.80.  You can keep
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The downside is that there is a one-time upfront membership fee, so you
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tapes and a tape of Anne Jensen and Reiner Klimke on Marzog and Ahlerich doing
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(I have no connection with Horseman's Source, other than as a customer.)

Kathy Wilber
att!mvp03!kw
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From: "jeffrey mallinson" <jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com>
Subject: seeking information o
Reply-To: "jeffrey mallinson" <jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:46:52 EST

TO: mike.may@fochgte.fidonet.org


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My, where have we met before. 8-)

I think we're safe here...no dead fish  :-)

I received your Christmas card today (Dec 29, 92). And thanks for the
photos. It's good to see the folks we are typing to. I like your horse
and the carriage. The owner of our stable got a medowbrook last year,
finished the same as yours. Again VERY nice, and thank you.

TTYL

Carolyn and Monterey Baye
Jeff
and the cats, Laurel and Hardy

INTERNET: jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com
        : jeff.mallinson@bville.gts.org

                                                  Jeffrey

 * DeLuxe2 1.26b #11882 * Just remember, staying on a horse is strickly a
                         state of mind.You state your objectives to the horse,
                         and hopefully he won't mind. =)
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From: donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:13:17 GMT
Subject: Mares Equal Rights Amendment!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: jfrost@crash.cts.com (Julian Frost)
Subject: Re: history
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:25:55 PST

In article <009655FB.1B089D20@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uhdgo@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>After reading article #27220 regarding hapikido and it's roots in aikido I
>wondering if anyone can illuminate me on the common roots of these forms or
>arts.  I was told through the grapevine that the founder of hapkido studied
>aikido under aikido's founder, Ueshiba.  Does anyone know the facts and perhaps 
>even have documentation?
>
>Olson and Stenzel
>
Guys,
The documentation is in the "Aiki News Encyclopedia" by Stanly
Prannin.  This nice book lists most of the Aikido Founder's students
and also a lot of the Daito Ryu Ju Jutsu headmaster's students.  It
talks about Hapkido too, and it's founder.  He got his information
(about Aikido) directly from Doshu (O-Sensei's son), Waka Sensei
(O-Sensei's grandson) and other high ranking students, such as Saito
Sensei.  I good book to browse through on various topics... but not
really a "bed-time" book!!
Julian
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: poor technique
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:08:26 GMT
	<JON.92Dec14165354@zeus.med.utah.edu> <4449@unisql.UUCP>
Organization: University of Utah

In article <4449@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

   In article <JON.92Dec14165354@zeus.med.utah.edu> jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:
   >Some competitors will let their blows penetrate just a little past the
   >contact point.  These blows are often fast, powerful, and accurate.
   >The only thing "poor" about them is the fact that they make contact,
   >which is against the rules.  Rules notwithstanding, hard contact

	   To my way of thinking, deliberately disregarding agreed upoun
   rules to hurt your opponent is poor technique, in fact, it's the worst
   possible technique.  

	   Since a karate blow is supposed to smash bone and
   flesh - aren't you taught to punch right through targets? how _could_
   you have a real full contact match unless it was to the death? Either
   you're pulling your punches and fighting by rules - like we do in judo -
   or karate techniques are not powerful enough to need to be diluted for
   competition.

I believe that you could not have an unrestricted, full-contact karate
match without significant risk to your life.

It is true that few karateka can consistently deliver killing or
disabling blows against an opponent of similar ability.  This fact
does not impugn the effectiveness of the art.  Just because karate
blows do not kill or disable every time does not mean that they are
safe for unrestricted use in competition.

This discussion arose when you said that the participants in karate
tournaments "pretend" to hit.  You implied that techniques thrown in
karate tournaments are somehow less than real.  That runs contrary to
what I have seen.

The blows thrown in some non full-contact karate tournaments are very
real, even when both parties are exercising reasonable care to stay
within the rules.  The line between "touch" and "hit" is inadvertently
crossed quite often when both fighters are highly motivated to win.
Sometimes when the line was crossed, I saw big, strong, spirited
fighters disabled by a single blow.

Only a very foolish person would enter a karate tournament thinking
"the rules forbid full contact, so the blows must be pretended.
People can't be hurt by pretended blows."

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: matthew@cs.mun.ca (Matthew J. Newhook)
Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:05:28 GMT

osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:

>In article <1992Dec21.131622.10306@cs.mun.ca> matthew@cs.mun.ca (Matthew J. Newhook) writes:
>>
>>Well, I don't know about you, but the only reason I move when these
>>techniques are applied to me, is so that my wrist doesn't get ripped
>>off.  The point of leverage of these attacks is at the wrist, so
>>therefore if you don't move the wrist gets broken, and there is no more
>>leverage.

>	What's this about the writs?  Ugg... kote gaeshi is NOT a wrist
>	technique, but one for the forearm.  What is practiced widely
>	these days is a corruption, and is easily escaped.  

>	Sounds like this should go into the FAQ since it has come up so
>	many times in the past.

Ok, well here is how the Kote Gaeshi _I_ practice goes -

I grab ukes hand as follows: (say my left grabs uke's right)

my four fingers wrap around the fleshy part just below the thumb to the
wrist, and my thumb fits neatly just below the two knuckles of the
pinkie and ring finger.  My right hand now either pushes the hand
towards the ground in a circular motion, or pushes the fingers into the
wrist.  The latter being quite painful, and rather nasty, especially if
uke has already comitted to an 'over-the-top' breakfall.

Now, whether or not _you_ choose to call this technique Kote Gaeshi is
of no concern to me.   All of the Aikido clubs I have practiced with
(as well as the masters of the art) refer to this technique as kote
gaeshi, so I imagine for my general well being and lack of confusion
when _I_ practice it would be better for me to refer to this technique
as kote gaeshi.

>	-Andy V.
-- 
Matthew Newhook (matthew@engr.mun.ca)       |  "...get on with the fascination
Faculty of Engineering and Applied Science  |  the real relation, the underlying
Memorial University of Newfoundland, Canada |  theme" - Limelight, Rush
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mark.kerr@rose.com (mark kerr)
Subject: Mark Sigman
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:26:22 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-03-93 01:22
  Hello there everyone. I just saw the movie "Iron & Silk" and wanted to 
contact Mark Sigman. I was wondering if anyone out there might know where 
I could write him. I also wanted to contact Pan Quing Fu on a matter 
completely unrelated to the movie. Since I am here I figured I might as 
well throw out two lines.  8D Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Kerr

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From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Electronic Self Defense Devices
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:34:08 GMT
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.152
Summary: don't risk just p.ing off the bad guy

> have to be held against an assailant for 2-4 seconds.

Stick to warm climates where the tough guys wear Harley 
Davidson t-shirts with the sleeves ripped off rather than 
leather jackets (or, in a more up-to-date cliche, Raiders 
"starters")??

I wonder what it feels like if you zap somebody who's got hold of you.
And how long it has to recharge before you can administer another zap.  

Note also that people's reaction to electricity, like their reaction to
chemical mace, genital strikes, and other magic-bullet stuff, is highly
variable.  Some will howl and run away, some will rip the batteries
out with their teeth and throw it at you, and a few might just
fibrillate before your very eyes.  Yup.  High voltage could constitute
deadly force... and if you're going to do THAT, might as well use
something that is reliably and predictably deadly!  

I'd guess that they fall into the same category as aerosols -- better than
no weapon at all if you don't have any real empty-hand skills, but
inferior to gun/knife/skillfully and earnestly wielded kubotan or
Mag-Lite, etc.  

If the government would just come to its senses and initiate a
public coming-of-age ritual where on your 18th birthday you
stand up on a little platform in the town square and register 
to vote and are issued a 50-state open-carry permit and a free
.45, none of this would be nee... oops, wrong newsgroup!  :)

Me, I'd rather put some rapid wear on my tennies.

Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: pals@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: New "Kung Fu" TV series
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:13:20 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

The new "Kung Fu" T.V. series with David Carradine premiers in the
Chicago area January 27 on Channel 50.  As that is not a network
channel, those in other locations should "check their local listings."

-- 
Randy Pals                |pals@ipact.com
IPACT, Inc.               |
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)
Subject: Re: nelsons
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:16:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.133031@ee.egr.duke.edu>, wrankin@ee.egr.duke.edu
(William T. Rankin) writes:

> In article <4447@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> > In article <1992Dec23.035220.25160@cs.mun.ca> robin2@garfield.cs.mun.ca
> >(Robin Collier) writes:
> > >Well, I know I have heard several ways of getting out of a full nelson, but I
> > >was recenctly told by Nick Cerio at a seminar that if someone actually gets 
> > >you in a full nelson, there is no way out of it.  He said that all effective
> > 
> > 	I've had success escaping from a nelson by putting my palms on my 
> > forehead and straightening my back, legs, and arms at the same time.
> 
> yeah, but the big question here is: "who put it on you and did s/he know what
> they were doing..."

I've got an uncle who is rumored to be able to get out of a proper
full nelson.  He rocks his head back, and has his captor begging
to let him (the captor) go!  (neck??!! what neck? ;-> *grin*)

-- 
Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu
Dept of Physics, Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI 49931
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Describing techniques in words - Yuk!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:58:57 CST

In article <1992Dec19.201005.13913@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:

>I think your description was very clear.  I liked the details a 
>lot.  My only question had to do with a left/right issue.  I was 
>okay with this:
>
>>- Your left foot crosses in front of your right leg, to take one step
>>  to your right (towards 3:00). If someone took a snap shot of you in
>
>But this next piece of footwork seemed improbable:
>
>>- Your left foot now moves and takes a step to the right, all toes still
>>  pointing toward 12:00, knees still bent, feet about shoulder width
>>  apart. 
>
>You meant that second step to be taken by the *right* foot, not 
>the left, right?  I mean, correct?


... yes, I'm an idiot. I meant the right foot. I give up.

-Lauren

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: Bidlackhw@falcon.usafa.af.mil (Harold W. Bidlack)
Subject: Aikido in Ann Arbor
Summary: Is there an Aikido Dojo in Ann Arbor, Mich?
Organization: United States Air Force Academy
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:39:13 GMT

Does anyone know if there is an active Aikido group in Ann Arbor, Michigan?
Thanks!
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Newbies Joints
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:50:59 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Thanks for spending the time and effort discribing those exercises.  I
tried them and my body feels better already.
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: Bear Hug defense
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:09:19 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu


it seems to me that the attacker gets more dangerous in sucessive posts.
i think that if the bear hug attacker is skilled in judo (or some 
grappling art) and has the element of surprise and wants to hurt me,
chances are he is going to do just that. 

either we 'annoint' him with a fixed set of realistic skills or start 
with him having no skills and successively adding 'ok, now assume he can 
do this' or 'now he can do this as well as this'. of course, in the latter
case we will end up with a "no possible defense" senario.

-mukund
From: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: MOTHER PICKS UP CAR
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:32:31 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prophet.esd.sgi.com

In article <1i84ogINN5fc@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt
williams) writes:
|> >As muscle fiber groups are conditioned, your nervous system adapts
|> to
|> >the work by firing up additional muscle fibers.  This seems to
|> explain
|> >rapid strength increases during the first few months of weight
|> >training.
|> 
|> That all depends on how you measure the strength gain.  If strength
|> gain
|> is measured by the ability to handle more weight for an exercise,
|> I'd
|> believe it is more likely resulting from learning technique-- that
|> is
|> learning how to lift and balance the weight.  This, of course, is not
|> a
|> valid measure of gained strength.  The only way (at least that I am
|> aware
|> of) to really measure strength gain is to completely isolate a
|> muscle, and
|> pull [in strict form] against some accurate measuring device.

I agree that muscle isolation is a better way to measure strength. 
However, my experience with weight training seems to support the
"hibernation" of muscle
fibers that are not needed.  Over the last 7 years, I have gone through
several
all-out <-> no-touch training cycles.  During every peak,  I have had
the capacity to bench press few sets of 12 repetitions of 240 lbs on a
barbell.  Last month, I began that training after a year of no weight
training.  My first set was 3 reps of 135 lbs, followed by near muscular
failure for about 15 minutes.  Currently, I do three sets of 8-12 reps
within five minutes or so.  

Since I have some weight lifting experience, I would not attribute my
strength gains to balance and learning the exercise.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Newbies Question: Joint Locking
Date: 31 Dec 1992 01:28:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Yes.  Please describe a few basic warmup exercises.
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: meta-comments (was: Re: Thai kickboxing )
Summary: Miscellaneous ramblings
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:48:47 GMT
Reply-To: garry@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

I just wanted to note that I thought Todd Ellner's recent posting
on Thai Boxing struck me as a model of the kind of posts I'd like
to see more of 'round here.  Calm, rational discussion of various
aspects of his art; training methods, conditioning, sparring, etc.
No rancor, no defensiveness, no "my art is better than yours."
Sounds like Todd is happy with his choices; that's great.

Also, someone in this thread mentioned Benny Urquidez beating 
Thai boxers.  I would think this goes to show once again, that
it is the talent of the individual, not the art, that matters most.

On a somewhat unrelated note:

This long lost memory just popped into my head while writing the
above.  When I was a youth, I was into conjuring.  I recall reading
a book on coin magic.  It was discussing how to flip a coin so as
to get it to come up heads or tails every time.  Basically, there
is no trick to it, just incessant practice until you have total 
control over the action of your arm, wrist, and thumb to control the
number of revolutions.  The author's comment said something like,
"This is the sort of trick mastered by one-trick men in bars.
They know no magic, but they have one trick that you couldn't
do in a lifetime."

The relevance of this to the martial artist is left as an excercise
for the reader.  I'd be interested in your comments.

-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
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