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From: mdp2842@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Perler)
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Deliver Us From Evil
Originator: mdp2842@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:21:54 GMT

In article <1dranhINNfmo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:
>
>In a previous article, mdp2842@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Perler) says:
>
>>In article <1992Nov11.023308.7401@grebyn.com> billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:
>>>
>>>This post contains spoilers for the 11/10 episode of Quantum Leap
























>>(1) What time period is the evil leaper project from? It would be interesting
>>    if they are from after 1999, as that would mean Alia could leap into
>>    someone at the project. Or what if she leaped into Sam before he used
>>    the accelerator, and stopped him from leaping at all?
>
>I believe that they are from the future of Sam's project.  I think
>that somehow the government got hold of Sam's project when he came
>home and kicked him and Al off (or worse) when they refused to turn
>all the information over to them.  Ziggy got melted down and they had
>to build a new computer and then they (meaning the nozzles now in charge)
>decided to change history the way they wanted to.

If they are from the future, then there is always the possibility that
their evil leaps really are being done for a noble purpose. Of course,
based on Zoey's comments, I doubt it.

>>(5) About the distorted leap out by Alia: is this normal, or does it only
>>    happen if she fails to accomplish her mission? If it's normal, would
>>    the same thing happen to Sam if he failed?
>
>Not normal.  That HURT!  She failed in her leap and therefor was being
>punished and probably being sent to a hellish assignment.

Well, if they were using poor equipment or something, then it might normally
hurt. But I don't think it is normal, as Alia and Zoey seemed surprised to
me. I still wonder if the same thing would happen to Sam if he failed.

>>(6) Now that Sam and Alia have touched and seen each other, if they were
>>    together during another leap, would they need to touch again to see
>>    each other, or would they still have this ability?
>
>It'll be more fun if they can't, but they probably will be.  What I want
>is for Al and Zoey to see each other.  Dueling Holograms.

Whether Sam and Alia will recognize each other probably depends on the
writer for the next evil leaper appearance. I'd prefer that they don't
recognize each other, as that would add to the dramatic effect of the
episodes: you won;t even know if the evil leaper is there until Sam
touches the right person. (unless you watch an NBC promo :-)

I have another question that might be interesting to consider. What if
Sam leapt into Alia, or vice-versa. This could be into one of them
before they started leaping (such as when Sam leapt into himself in
The Leap Home) or during one of their leaps (example - what if Sam leapt
into Alia in this episode, after she had already leapt into Connie?).
Of course, stuff like this could get real confusing.

Mike P.
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Babylon 5 my impressions...
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:23:28 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <BxGC4u.MzG@apollo.hp.com> @apollo.HP.COM (Jennifer E. Levine) writes:

>	The actors are still a tad stiff, but I think after an episode or two,
>	the kinks will be worked out.

Or, better yet, worked in.

-- 
Tovah Hollander
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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Deliver Us From Evil
Keywords: Evil Leaper From Hell
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:31:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.023308.7401@grebyn.com> billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:
|
|This post contains spoilers for the 11/10 episode of Quantum Leap
|
|
|As for the evil leaper: whenever you see three writers on the credits,
|you're asking for trouble.  You can see the seams in the script - the
|shift from technobabble to the supernatural was occasionally line to
|line.  Their final lines cast in stone that they were escapees from
|Hell (like The Leap Back cast *censored* in stone, I hope), but then
|why do they have the trappings of a Quantum Leap-like setup?  Very,
|very poorly executed.
|
	Not exactly -- you're assuming that Zoey was speaking in literal terms.

	If she and Alia came from an alternate future where social  
advancement comes only from out-backstabbing your competetors in a massive
rat-race, then they may have "crawled through hell" to get onto the
time-travel project.  The goal of which would be to cause enough misery to
ensure their future comes to pass.

	Soldiers might say they "crawled through hell" to take an objective or
just to survive a war, but that doesn't mean they crawled through Hell.

	In other words, very little has been cast in stone here.  There are
lots of possible interpretations of what we saw.


Dennis F. Heffernan  dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com e4461005@apollo.montclair.edu
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From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL:  I need help with names!
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:25:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Does anyone have the full names of the following people?

Diana from "Private Dancer"
Gloria from "What Price, Gloria"
and Emma from "Runaway"


I HATE being without all my tapes!  :-(


Thanks in advance for your help.



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From: morrissey@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: AlienNation Episode Guide?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.190803.3997@vax.muskingum.edu>, ma_saunders@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
> Does anyone out there have an AlienNation episode guide? If someone does, I
> would greatly appreciate it if a copy could be sent to me. Thanks in advance!
> 
> Matt



Me, too, please.

Thanks!
Janet Morrissey
"Mostly Harmless"
From: gap@astro.ocis.temple.edu (George Piotrowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL Funny thing happened in Phila
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:17:06 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Spoilers coming




For those who live in the Phila both a frustrating and interestingly
timed happening during the QL "Deliver us from Evil" episode last
night.  During the climax, just as Sam takes the gun from Alia, and
she starts freaking out, Channel 3 blinked out for about a second.
It was amazing timing that it happened just at that time! I thought
it might have been an NBC ploy, but we all know that the network is
not that ingenious.  At least I was able to step frame to see that 
Alia leaped first, followed by Sam back 2 days.  I can't believe
that Channel 3, first they prempt an episode, then they blink out
and a crucial point in a story. Incredible! At least one good thing
came out of the premption, I found out that QL is uplinked late on
Monday nights, a recurring feed on the Sattelite with no
commercials! It was great to just sit back and watch uninterupted
Star Light, Star Bright!

Now I have to wait for the repeat to get a good copy to keep. Oh 
well.....

And one other thing, can you (Sally) elaborate a little more with
what problems QL is having with Universal. I'm interested in the 
going ons behind the scenes.

Later for now,

George A. Piotrowski
Temple University
gap@astro.ocis.temple.edu
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From: z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: What Tape?????
Summary: QL Questions????
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:31:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Nov12.103114.1790
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I am confused what is this tape from Star-LIght Star-Bright you are 
talking about?
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From: chevron@access.digex.com (chevron)
Subject: Re: BLAKE'S 7: "Blake" transcript (long)
Keywords: Blake's 7, B7, Avon, Servalan, final episode
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:06:11 GMT

In article <BxAvux.550@dcs.ed.ac.uk> re@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Roderick Easton) writes:
>I was under the impression that we heard Servalon say something before the credits
>started.  My idea of the episode end was
>
>SERVALON:So we meet again ( or words to that effect)
>Avon laughs maniacally, everything blacks out then we hear a single shot followed by
>a fussilade.  Cut in theme music.
>Dee da da, da da Dee da da.
>

Neither Servalan's person nor her voice were present in the final
episode.  From what I read in the Blake's 7 monthly by Marvel,
this was a great disappointment to Jacqueline Pierce.

BTW, Avon does not laugh "maniacally".  If fact, he does not
laugh at all.  He raises his rifle, gives his special small
half-smile, and the picture freezes on his face.  Then the
screen goes blank and we hear the gunshots.  Avon laughed in
what could be called a maniacal way only once in the series - 
at the end of "Gold".

Hope this helps.

Take care . . .

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From: ccaaand@ucl.ac.uk (Andrew Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Hooray, the UK Season has started!
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:45:29 GMT
Reply-To: ccaaand@ucl.ac.uk
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:

>1. So who invented the string theory first - Sam Beckett or Mo Stein? :-)

I guess Mo Stein thought up the original version which inspired Sam's
modified version. Sam then told him the modified version which he in turn
gave back to Sam as a child. If Sam enhanced that even further we have a
knock on effect which can be used by us fans to explain any arbitrary
inconsistencies when the BGU changes the rules again. :-)

>2. How is Sam portrayed on the television?  One might think that the TV
>   cameras would show the real Sam and not be influenced by the aura, but in
>   fact it would seem that the opposite occurs.  That is, even the young
>   children who watched the show would not have seen the real Sam - not even
>   Sam himself, who apparently wrote a letter to the show when he was 4.

If the young Sam had met the older Sam in real life, as a 4 year old, he'd
probably be young enough to see him as Sam rather than the leapee. I'm not
sure whether tv cameras are sufficiently 'transparent' to pass on an image
that would be seen as Sam by young children and the leapee by others though.
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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: X-Men pt. 2 needed!
Date: 8 Nov 1992 13:38:18 -0600
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  What is your hurry? These show will be repeated to a point that they will
become a something to avoid. Just wait a little, it will air again.
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From: kthiruma@csws6.ic.sunysb.edu (Kumara Thirumalai)
Subject: Re: the question is the answer ?!
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:37:02 GMT

in rsesponse to my query-ans is the queston
mr.chang has included the dialogue between albert and costello
the famous who is next routine from naughty nineties.
but can someone complete the whole thing.
i want some original ans. please.
thanks anyway,mr.chang.
balaji.
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From: "matthew drew" <mdrew@tope.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: the question is the answer ?!
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:04:44 -0500

In article <96980@netnews.upenn.edu> varhus@contra.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.154338.8379@nntp.nta.no> stein@hal.nta.no (Stein Kulseth FBA) writes:
>|>In article <1992Nov10.144701.390@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, wilson@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Dwight Wilson) writes:
>|>> In article <1992Nov5.213159.10826@sbcs.sunysb.edu> kthiruma@engws3.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>|>> >
>|>> >a question when repeated becomes its own answer.
>|>> >
>|>> 
>|>> This reminds me of a (probably apocryphal) story I read somewhere
>|>> long ago.  It seems a professor gave a final exam consisting of
>|>> a single question.
>|>> 
>|>> "Write a question that you feel would be suitable for a 
>|>> final exam and answer it."
>|>> 
>|>> One student thought for a few moments, then wrote the above
>|>> sentence twice.
>|>> 
>|>> -Dwight
>|>
>|>Well, I hope he flunked, for he obviously did not answer the question.
>|>
>|>-- 
>|>stein.kulseth@nta.no (Norwegian Telecom Research)
>|>   'When murders are committed by mathematics, they can be solved by
>|>   mathematics. Most of them aren't, and this one wasn't'
>|>   - Nick Charles (Dashiell Hammett's "The Thin Man")
>
>What do you mean he didn't answer the question?  Yes he did!!!!
>He wrote the sentence *twice*!  Once for the question suitable for a final,
>and once for its answer.  How could you possibly think he didn't answer the
>question?!
>
>Explain that!

The problem is, that the "answer" the student gave is incomplete.

The question he decided would be suitable was
 
  "Write a question that you feel would be suitable for a 
   final exam and answer it."

To answer this question, the student must supply two things: a
question and an answer.  When he wrote the sentence a second time,
he was providing the question, but the answer was left blank.
There is no end to this recursion, so either the student needs to
resort to do something tricky like usings ellipsis to indicate
infinitely many sentences, or he will eventually have to come up
with a different question.  The answer he provided, however, is
incomplete and should get a failing grade (no partial credit in MY
universe! ;->

>
>
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From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: balls in the urn puzzle
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:41:16 GMT

* In a message originally to All, Teun Koetsier said:
=)Suppose that we possess an infinitely large urn and an infinite collection 
=)of balls labeled 1, 2, 3, and so on. There are exactly as many balls as 
=)there are (standard) natural numbers. Consider the following thought 
=)experiment. At 1 minute to 12 p.m. balls numbered 1 through 10 are placed 
=)in the urn, and ball number 1 is withdrawn; at  1/2 minute to 12 p.m., balls 
=)numbered 11 through 20 are placed in the urn, and ball number 2 is 
=)withdrawn; at 1/4 minute to 12 p.m., balls numbered 21 through 30 are 
=)placed in the urn and ball number 3 is withdrawn; at 1/8 minute to 12 p.m. 
=)balls numbered 31 through 40 are placed in the urn, and ball number 4 
=)is withdrawn, and so on. How many balls are in the urn at 12 p.m. and
=)what are their labels?
=)One answer is that the urn is empty at 12 p.m. For,  
=)consider any ball, say, ball number n. At some time prior to 
=)12 p.m. [in fact, at (1/2)n-1minutes to 12 p.m.], this ball is withdrawn 
=)from the urn. Hence for each n, ball number n is not in the urn at 12 p.m.; 
=)therefore, the urn must be empty at that time. 
=)This is, however, very remarkable, because, when 12 p.m.is approaching, the 
=)number of balls inside the urn grows above all bounds. At 12 p.m., 
=)instantaneously, infinitely many balls disappear from the urn.  

The answer lies in when you can stop putting balls in the urn.  You put
them in ten at a time, faster and faster, until you get to the one marked
infinity.  Each time you take out one ball in sequence (1,2,3...).  Once
you put the infinity ball in, you may think you're done, but since the
infinity ball is still in the urn, you still  you still have a finite
number of balls on the outside of the urn!  Therefore you haven't
gone through an infinite amount of cycles.  You have to keep going until
you take out the infinity ball.  (Note that by taking out 10, 20, etc.
you get to take the infinity ball out earlier so that there are still balls
remaining in this case.)  Fortunately, since there are no more balls to
put in, your work goes much faster as you take them out one by one.  Once
you have taken out the infinity ball, the urn is empty and you can set the
clock to 12:00.

Q.E.D.

(How did I do, guys?  ;-)
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From: stein@hal.nta.no (Stein Kulseth FBA)
Subject: D R Hofstadter - "Goedel Escher Bach" 
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:24:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.172701.28143@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, amorgan@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov4.060133.9171@Csli.Stanford.EDU> 
|> 
|> [On  a dialogue in Hofstadter's GEB:]                              Since
|> this dialogue ends rather strangely I assume Hofstadter did this sort of 
|> thing [*] in the dialogue, but I can't figure out where.  Anyone have any 
|> ideas?

[*] = hiding the end of the dialogue by marking the "real end" by a change
      in writing style, for those that have the book: The dialogue is 'Aria
      with Diverse Variations', p.391. For those that don't: Buy it!! 
      Or borrow it!! Or steal it!! -- but read it!!


In my opinion there is no exact where. In the dialogue the Tortoise
talks about his author friend:
"You see, in his book there will be a Dialogue in which he wants to throw
readers off by making them SEARCH for the ending."

I think this is what Hofstatdter has done, he makes it obvious that he
is hiding the ending, yet you cannot find out exatly where the Dialogue
should end. This fits in nicely with the previous discussion in the
Dialogue, which is mostly about whether given properties [of numbers] 
have terminating, predictally terminating or possibly non-terminating
tests.

So a "hidden end" of this kind could be thought of as a property of
a Dialogue, for which there may not exist a terminating test.

$.02

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   'When murders are committed by mathematics, they can be solved by
   mathematics. Most of them aren't, and this one wasn't'
   - Nick Charles (Dashiell Hammett's "The Thin Man")
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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
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Subject: Re: the question is the answer ?!
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:32:31 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov5.213159.10826@sbcs.sunysb.edu> kthiruma@engws3.ic.sunysb.edu writes:

>a question when repeated becomes its own answer.

>What is named after james Watt ?

>Which craft is practised by the witches ?

These only work if you speak a dialect of English in which there is no
difference in pronunciation between "wh" and "w".
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From: dmuntz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Daniel A Muntz)
Subject: Re: the question is the answer ?!
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.205312@sees.bangor.ac.uk> thomas@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Thomas Varsamidis) writes:
>This is somewhat different, but the idea is the same:
>
>Q: How many letters are there in the answer?
>A: Four
>
A: 0

  -Dan
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Subject: Re: Billion-year survivability
From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:53:11 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center

In article <1992Nov10.114703.26890@ugle.unit.no> gg@iok.unit.no (Gus Gassmann) writes:
>In article <10920011@pollux.svale.hp.com>, ryoung@pollux.svale.hp.com (Roderick Young) writes:
>|> If I wanted to send information to a society that will inhabit the earth
>|> one billion years in the future, how would I do it?  If I engraved the
>|> message on a bunch of diamonds, then buried the diamonds in a secure place,
>|> would that do it?  There must be a better way.
>
>Try sending messages to a society that will inhabit the earth 10,000 years
>from now. Some UN agency is really worried about this (with regard to
>toxic waste deposits). The main problem is that people in the future
>probably will not understand the language the message is written in,
>even if you got the problem of the medium solved...

I don't think so.If you would send a message 5000 years ago,when the known
history started,in ALL the languages people talked then,you would receive
today also a hebrew message, a language which is the same today,besides some
unimportant
changes.So you should send your message now in all the languages.
Even  if no language will be talked then,the historions will know how to read
"old" languages for sure.You can try,anyway! ;)
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