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From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Question/SPOILER on DS9: "A Man Alone"
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:08:42 GMT
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In <1993Jan21.232139.28606@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.144512.2595@inland.com> tanski@inland.com writes:
>>Possible Spoiler with an inquiry
>
>
>
>>
>>During the DS9 episode "A Man Alone," the discussion in which the 
>>entry into the holosimulator (?) could have been done be a shape-shifter,
>>one then wonders how did the knife get in?  Although Odo could have made
>>part of himself (itself?) into a knife, he would then have to leave
>>part of him behind since the knife was still in the body.  Is this a
>>flaw in that arguement?  If this has been debated already, what was the
>>thread so I can catch up and sorry for the wasted bandwidth.
>
>Interesting point... I supposed it could be argued that the knife was a
>holo-knife, created by the holosuite, but then, aren't holodecks (and
>-suites by extension) supposed to have "fatality protection" routines
>built in?
>
>
>-- 
>"Dr. McCoy, would you do me the very great honor of eating my shorts?" -Spock
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>"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore

Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't it also stated that the door was only opened
once, when the soon to be dead clone walked in?  I thought that was the
arguement for a shapeshifter having to have done the deed?  If that is
true, then how did the killer get in?  Did the clone and killer walk
in at the same time?  This could explain it maybe as the killer could
have carried in the knife.  However, the sensors should have seen
two people entering, not one.  Unless of course it can't distinquish
between a person, and their clone and somehow gets fooled into thinking
only one life form has entered.  Maybe that's it?  This assumes that
the clone willingly walked in with the man in disquise.  Maybe the
clone was just created and real stupid/naive (he certainly seemed to
know how to enjoy a holo-rub).

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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From: colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald)
Subject: Ferengi head gear?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:16:59 GMT

	Out of pure curiosity, what is the shiny band that Ferengi seem to 
	have on the lower back part of their head? Is it supposed to be
	natural? a sign of rank? merely decorative?

	Any ideas, humourous or serious are appreciated.

Colin Mac Donald
colin@ug.cs.dal.ca
Fav. ST parody: On Saturday Night Live when the Enterprise was a revolving
	restaurant...Dana Carvey as Kahn:"Kirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk"
From: is_b420@ceres.kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney)
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Subject: A funny moment.....with Q.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:15:15 -0000
Organization: Kingston University, Kingston-upon-Thames
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I remember a line ......... can't remember the episode:

	Q: Ahh, Macrohead with a microbrain!
     Worf: Grrr......

I think it comes from Hide and Q.


Thanks!

Brendan Rooney
is_b420@king.ac.uk
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From: lecuyer@wam.umd.edu (Catherine L. LeCuyer)
Subject: Re: DS9 Doctor & Odo   Was: Re: Best line for DS9: The Emissary
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:54:52 GMT

In article <C0wzr9.9uL@inews.Intel.COM> dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy) writes:
>Anneliese D. Heiner (adh@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:
>
>> Odo was hesitant about helping the doctor treat a
>> patient (pressing down on a wound).  A squeamish security chief?
>
>	More like a non-humanoid hesitant to do something medical to a
>humanoid.
>
>
>--
>D. J. McCarthy (dmccart@gomez.intel.com)

Right! Odo is a gelatinous (sp?) being that sleeps in a pail!
He doesn't have blood and guts to come oozing out of his body
like most humanoids do. I think he is very *disturbed* by coming 
face to face with the fragility of the creatures he serves, protects
and calls friends.
IMHO
Cathy 
"Take my Worf,please!" 
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From: guest@chopin.Physics.McGill.CA (Muhep Guest account)
Subject: The condition known as aphasia
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:54:34 GMT

Perhaps some med student could give a definitive description but
this is what I heard:

Aphasia is a condition that is usually brought about by a blow to the
head.  It results in a person being unable to combine words to make
sentences.  The victim does think he/she is making sense and gets
rather annoyed when people don't understand him/her.

What I don't know is whether or not victims understand what others 
are saying.
I think they would because the problem is related to their ability to
combine words to make sentences and not their ability to decifer what
someone else says ... but I can't say for sure.  

Martin Phipps
LOULA@hep.physics.mcgill.ca
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
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Subject: Re: The way she walks #Bable#
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:17:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I was struck by something else about the scene where Farrell
and Nana Visitor were walking next to each other.  Visitor
is quite attractive.  This is not, of course, to imply
that Visitor is as attractive as Farrell.  But only that if
a woman can stand next to Terry Farrell and is wearing
Bajoran makeup and doesn't look completely ridiculous, then
she is very attractive. (I am correct that Nana Visitor
plays Kira?  If not , sub the right name.)
-- 
"`Gay' used to be one of the most agreeable words in the language.
It's appropriation by a notably morose group is an act of piracy."
- Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."- Roger Bacon
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Picard's family
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:16:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <HJkmXB5w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US>, pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
|> somaiah@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Somaiah Kumbera) writes:
|> 
|> >    And while at it, could someone tell me why Picard has an English
|> > accent when he's supposed to be from France?
|> 
|> For the same reason that Dr. Bashir has an English accent: because he
|> learned English from someone who does.


When I went to China, I met a Chinese man who spoke English without an
accent, ie. he sounds English as opposed to American or Chinese.
I am pretty sure he had never been to the UK.

I can speak three languages without an accent.  Why do people think
it would be impossible for Frenchman to speak English without an accent
like Picard?  In Europe, people have a lot of contact with people from
other countries and learn other languages, unlike most Americans.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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From: eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth)
Subject: Re: "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:26:04 GMT

In article <93022.123701U53734@uicvm.uic.edu> Wesley Bielinski <U53734@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Also playing in Chicago on April 10th & 11th.


So I've heard ... but what theater?  Can someone supply name/address/
phone number?

Thx.


Susan

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From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas -- 214-436-3281
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:14:03 GMT

In article <1k04uoINNlhe@mojo.eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
> In article <steph.727945994@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu>, steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
> >In <1993Jan24.074334.4145@Princeton.EDU> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:
> >
> >[...]
> >>- Chekov is obviously a Russian native and Sulu a Japanese. Since there
> >>is only a generation of time difference I doubt that English has taken
> >>over that fast. Why shouldn't these languages not exist anymore a
> >>generation later?
> >[...]
> >Sulu's American -- he was born in San Francisco, remember?  Has he ever been
> >shown speaking Japanese?
> >[...]
> >
>
>    Has Checkov ever been known to speak Russian?
>
>--
>Charles Lin
>clin@eng.umd.edu


Yes. STIII - scene when Spock's quarters are found to be compromised (beginning
of movie). Checkov reports the breakin, then mumbles something to Scotty in
Russian. Don't ask me what it was, 'cause I don't speak Russian  :)

TomH.


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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
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Subject: Re: DSN: "Emissary" The Big E and DSN
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:36:18 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <93026.203749WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

><No Spoiler>

Which is why I'm re-directing this to rec.arts.startrek.misc...

>I think there is one thing that was
>overlooked.  The size of the Station itself and the Enterprise.  When the
>Enterprise docked with DSN in the beginning of the show, it looked small by
>comparison.  But when a second starship docked with DSN, a Grissom class which
>carried Dax and Dr. Bashir as well as smaller, its size and the Enterprise were
>nearly the same!  

I think you need to roll that back again. The view of the Big E tended to
be from an angle that looked _through_ the 'spokes' of the station. Which
implied a lot of distance. The E looked like she was hanging off one of
the spokes like an ornament but since we later discover that the docking
rings and airlocks are still being retrofitted I think the Big E was
actually some distance beyond the station in the shot.

The smaller ship was shown in close up with the base of DS9 above it. The
whole shot portrayed much closer quarters and didn't include as great a
view of the station itself.

>How can it be!  The Enterprise carries a crew complement of
>1,012, the unnamed starship must carry a few hundred.  As for DSN itself, does
>anyone knows the crew capacity of it?  I heard it can accomodate 400 family
>members comfortable.  Any ideas?

No clue... Is there living space up in those pylons or is everyone living
around Ops and the Promenade? Do they even use all the space in the
station or are sections sealed off?

-Geoff
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: DS9 Theme: Star Trek, the Return?
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:51:59 EST

 -=> Psst...  Look what Daniel R  Sandler said to All!  Oh my god!!! <=-

 DRS> Then I listened to the opening again and it seems like the first few
 DRS> notes are identical between DS9 and traditional Star Trek.  Has anyone
 DRS> else noticed this? hmm...

Of course!  It's a play on words, per se.  A musical pun.  They took the 
general theme of Star Trek and stuck it into a triplet.  WONDERFULLY 
done, kudos to the composer who put this one together.  I truly adore 
the new theme, unlike those who say it's boring and non-stimulating.  
No way, is what I say!


Jason Wong (not Bernie)       Gotta go rebuild that darn igloo...
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From: timwil@microware.com (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Miles O' Brian
Summary: Same name as CNN reporter
Keywords: Miles
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:38:22 GMT

Just an observation, but I saw on CNN a reporter that has the same name
as Colm Meaney's character (Miles O' Brian (sp?)).  Maybe this has been
brought up before.  If so, it has been brought up again! :-)

By the way, is Colm Meaney related to the actor Kevin Meaney???  Kevin
"starred" on the Uncle Buck TV series (not that I watched it often,
just remember the name) and has appeard on other shows.

P.S.  If you want to see the CNN reporter, he hosts Science and
Technology Week.  It was on Sunday mornings, now I think it is on
Saturday mornings.

Tim Wilson

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From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: DSN Deep Sixed?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:30:35 GMT
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In <gpotts-250193145317@fp1-psych-coglab-17.uoregon.edu> gpotts@hebb.uoregon.edu () writes:
>Help!!  Someone out there has started a nasty rumor that DSN is soon to be
>deep sixed.  Two possible reasons why have been postulated.  1) This allows
>the powers that be to withhold all remaining episodes to be shown only at
>conventions for lots of dinero to those who are prone to addictive
>personalities and will flock like sheep to pay to see what happens to Garek
>and the dear Dr.  2)  This allows the powers that be to put the remaining
>episodes on video tape to be released through video stores, again, for
>boodles of bucks.  PLEASE!! Say it isn't so!!!!  I still haven't recovered
>from the shock of losing Max Headroom!
>
>Ex Africa Semper Aliquid Novi - Pliny the Elder
>

I pride myself for being hip to the happenings of the entertainment
community.  I haven't heard of a cancellation, and it really doesn't
make sense.  The show is in syndication.  Many stations have already
paid big bucks to carry it x seasons (at least one) and at the same
time signed up for syndication of reruns.  Paramount has a cash-cow
here.  TNG and DSN will be money makers for the next quarter century.
As long as Paramount can continue to sell the show in syndication
they and as long as the local networks can sell the advertising time
at good rates, DSN will endure.  The ratings have been excellent.
The advertising has been by big companies (ATT, Intel, Ford), etc.
The future is so bright for DSN, Paramount has to wear shades.

As for your point 1) that is just a mere drop in the bucket.  Conventions
make lots of money, but not that much.  You get 1000 people at a big
convention.  Even if 5 dollars of their ticket went to covering the
cost of the episodes, that is only $5000 per convention.   Multiply
that by a few hundred cons a year, worldwide and we still only have
a million or so dollars.  Peanuts.

As for your point number 2), this doesn't make sense.  Paramount
will want to make as many episodes as possible (multiple seasons)
so that they can sell as many tapes as possible.

TNG had a much worse following its first year.  I am sure Paramount
expected it.  However, it knew that if it could last at least
2 or 3 seasons, it would have a cash-cow just like TOS.  It took
off though, better than anyone imagined.

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
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Subject: Ensign of Commands
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:09:45 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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Can someone tell me what happens after Data learns that he has to deal with
convincing the colonist to leave the planet while the Enterprise
intercepts the Sheliaks? I missed the ending. Thanks...
From: dkelly@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Diane Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:12:54 GMT
Reply-To: dkelly@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Diane Kelly)


In article <16B5DD05A.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org>, M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
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|> Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
|> Message-ID: <16B5DD05A.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org>
|> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:48:57 EST
|> References: <1993Jan20.001913.22058@Princeton.EDU>
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|> In article <C17u3y.Gos@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
|> jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
|> >
|> >Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg writes
|> >>As a French native I simply say: It is not !!
|> >
|> >I believe this is yet another case of American TV shows catering to
|> >American ignorance and American subtitle prejudice.  I would bet
|> that
|> >most Americans can't place the accents of most people they hear. 
|> Also
|> >interesting to note here that most American students are not taught
|> a
|> >second language from when they are little.  They might try to pick
|> it
|> >up in high school, college or perhaps later in life, but far more
|> of
|> >Europe speaks other languages than Americans speak other languages.
|> >American attitudes toward simply travelling in a
|> non-English-speaking
|> >country generally result in hanging out in the English towns nearby
|> or
|> >hiring someone to talk for them instead of learning the language
|> >enough to get by.

I'm not sure I understand your point here:  are you saying that
Stewart-as-Picard should speak in French, even though that would make
all of his dialogue incomprehensible to the largely English-speaking
audience (not to mention the fact that his character would be
incomprehensible to his crew)?
	Or do you mean that Patrick Stewart, who can't sound French to save his
life, should nevertheless speak in an "outrageous French accent" --
perhaps like the one used by John Cleese in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
	That would be great fun:
	"Monsieur Worf, firez le photon!  Numero Un, take a team d'away down to
le surface and parlez avec these aliens.  Makez it so!  Engager!"
	It would be especially good in tricky negotiations with the Romulans:
	"So, you silly Romulans, we Federation types have outwitted you a
second time!  I blow my nose at you, sons of a silly personne!"
	
						Jim Cambias
						Sneakin' Into Duke Bio
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From: dfowler@kiwi.dsd.es.com (Dave Fowler)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart question
Reply-To: dfowler@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans and Sutherland Corp.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:50:07 GMT

In article <86608@ut-emx.uucp>, rebecca@order.ph.utexas.edu (Rebecca McGowan) writes:
> Is Patrick Stewart married?  If so, to whom?  I heard a very unlikely
> rumor which I won't repeat, but I would like any reliable info.
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Rebecca

	Actually, I believe he has been married for quite a while (or more
than on marriage). I believe in the credits to last years episode "Inner 
Light" that the actor who played Picards sun on the alien planet was 
his real son.

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