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From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows.x.xfree86
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:32:31 GMT
Keywords: XFree86, X, intel-based-unix

In article <1992Sep28.131801.27588@rdg.dec.com> uw@decum.enet.dec.com writes:
> 
> In
> Article: 2030 of comp.os.mach
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.sysv386
> ,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.linux,comp.os.mach,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,co
> o
> mp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
> 
> David Wexelblatt proposes a group "comp.windows.x.xfree86".

[This may seem petty, but's there's only one 't' in Wexelblat.  There is
 David Wexelblatt (with two 't's), and he's not me]

> 
> This may be one step further in making Unix as well as X provincial.
> The above crossposting list looks like Unix/X is going to take over the world.
> But it only shows the splittering (or splintering?) of the Unix "community",
> giving other systems really good chances to take over!
> 
> Two remarks on the name of the suggested newsgroup:
> "free": X, as everything else, is NOT "free": there's an X Consortium, doing
> 	very good work on keeping X hard-/firm-/soft-ware INDEPENDENT, which
> 	holds the copyrights. BTW, nobody should forget that copying by "ftp"
> 	also takes money!
> "86": sticking to a specific HW, whether one calls it a brain-damaged
> 	architecture, or whether one welcomes it as THE "defacto-standard",
> 	is against all I ever admired or loved X for! It would be a step back.
> 
> So, I say: NO, NO, NO!
> 
> 	uli (Unix & X aficionado)
> --
> OpenObjectOrientedOgre

XFree86, as stated in the RFD is a free enhancement package for X11R5 on
x86-based Unix-like operatings systems.  Hence both Free and 86 are 
appropriate.  And X is to 'free', as much as any other software is 'free'.
As in 'Freely Redistributable Copyright Software'.

That said, XFree86 is THE standard instantiation of The X Window System for
386BSD and Linux, and is available on SVR3, SVR4, and Mach386 as well (in
addition, the folks developing Amoeba are porting it, too).  Because of
this, announcements as well as many discussions tend to cross newsgroup 
boundaries frequently.  A significant percentage of traffic in the BSD
and Linux newsgroups.  In addition, there is a beta-tester mailing list
with over 50 participants (and we've had to restrict to that few).

So I feel that there is a need for this newsgroup.  It is to discuss a
software product that already exists (whether some may wish it otherwise
or not).  And it will cut down on cross-posted traffic in several other
newsgroups (which would get even worse, given the comp.unix.sysv386 reorg).

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:10:39 GMT

In article <16764@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>
>This clearly is a subject of interest to readers.  It could
>include accupuncture, herbalism, homeopathy, megadose vitamin
>therapies, chiropractic, holistic medicine, visualization,
>and many other alternative methods that have yet to receive
>acceptance by the mainstream scientific community.

Yes, for the same reasons that keep "astrology" still waiting.
>
>One problem would be the name.  Alt.medicine would be a natural,
>but the alt groups have already got another purpose.  
>Soc.medicine.alternative?  I'm sure others will have better suggestions.

No, I think "alt.medicine" is perfect. That will place it right where it
belongs, next to "alt.alien.visitors" and "alt.kibology".




-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:30:42 GMT

In <BvopBw.3yt@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.190836.18457@eskimo.celestial.com> delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle) writes:

>> I beleive that 'sci.med.alternative' is the best place for this group.

>Speaking personally, I would vote an unqualified "no" on any
>alternative therapy group under sci.  I see benefits in having such a
>group on the net, but it simply stands that alternative medicine
>therapies have not proved themselves as sciences, in *any* sense of
>the word.  Soc or misc would be perfectly happy homes for the group.

There are some alternative therapies which are scientifically based, and
there is science that can be done on other alternative therapies, so I
think a moderated sci.med.alternative group would have value at some point.

Right now, I think more people would be served by a less technically
oriented newsgroup, which is why I advocate misc.health.alternative.

-- 
Peter Kaminski
kaminski@netcom.com
From: uli@cats.muh.dec.com (OOOO - Open Object-Oriented Ogre)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows.x.xfree86
Keywords: XFree86, X, intel-based-unix
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: uw@decum.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment   Munich   Germany


In
Article: 2030 of comp.os.mach
Newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.sysv386
,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.linux,comp.os.mach,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.sys5.r3,co
o
mp.unix.pc-clone.32bit

David Wexelblatt proposes a group "comp.windows.x.xfree86".

This may be one step further in making Unix as well as X provincial.
The above crossposting list looks like Unix/X is going to take over the world.
But it only shows the splittering (or splintering?) of the Unix "community",
giving other systems really good chances to take over!

Two remarks on the name of the suggested newsgroup:
"free": X, as everything else, is NOT "free": there's an X Consortium, doing
	very good work on keeping X hard-/firm-/soft-ware INDEPENDENT, which
	holds the copyrights. BTW, nobody should forget that copying by "ftp"
	also takes money!
"86": sticking to a specific HW, whether one calls it a brain-damaged
	architecture, or whether one welcomes it as THE "defacto-standard",
	is against all I ever admired or loved X for! It would be a step back.

So, I say: NO, NO, NO!

	uli (Unix & X aficionado)
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OpenObjectOrientedOgre
From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: CFD : Table-Tennis
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:48:45 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In a previous post, ajchien@med.umich.edu write :
> 
> Proposed Newsgroup: rec.sport.table-tennis
> 
> Type: Unmoderated
> 
> Charter: The purpose of this newsgroup is for an open discussion pertaining
>          to subjects involving the sport of table tennis. Included subjects
>          would be: tournament results, upcoming tournaments, equiptment,
>          coaching, etc...  

I agree 100% on forming this new newsgroup. Here are some new ideas : 

TOURNAMENTS :   local, national or international;
		Schedule and place to be held (country, club, league);
		Most popular leagues in Europe;
		Results of every tournament;
		Players results (individual) ;
		International ranking;
		New ITTF rules;

EQUIPMENT :	Prices and new stuff available;
		Discussion on speed, spin and control for blades, rubbers;
		Most popular equipment brands;
		New rules;
		Equipment used in tournaments, leagues, training, etc...
		
TRAINING :  	Schedule for athletes;
		Equipment used in training;
		Coaching level;
		The partners levels;
		Sport psychology;
		Professionals in the sport (masseur, psychologist, physician, etc...)
		Individual programs for athletes; 

MISC. :		Umpires;
		Coaches;
		Athletes;
		Staff;
		and MUCH MUCH more...
> 
> Discussion: Further discussion on forming this group should be posted to
>             the 'news.groups' group. Interested parties are welcome to email
[stuff deleted]

With the growth of the sport (now it's been part of the Olympics), I think table tennis
should have a newsgroup. More and more people practice or play it, and it's the 
second most popular sport in the WORLD ! Beeing an international player myself, I
hope REC.SPORT.TABLE-TENNIS will become ALIVE !

Bye !

Lyne

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From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposed New Group
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 12:03:39 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage) writes:

> After having seen the movie "Innocent Blood", I propose the creation
> of a new group:  alt.sex.bondage.vampire

It already exists.

Try alt.vampyres


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From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:55:33 GMT
	<1992Sep25.191936.27395@pellns.alleg.edu>
	<RSHAPIRO.92Sep25165221@kariba.bbn.com>
Organization: Human Communication Research Center
In-reply-to: rshapiro@bbn.com's message of 25 Sep 92 15:52:21 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep25165221@kariba.bbn.com>, Richard Shapiro (rs) writes:
rs> I can't think of a single other group that
rs> has proposals for change as frequently as every six months.

rec.music.misc, used to have them about every two weeks. Generally
asking for what is now alt.music.alternative under a variety of
equally silly names. Someone finally got off there backside and
created the group and, as people predicted it's full of flames about
what is or is not `alternative'. I suspect the same would happen with
separate jazz and blues groups.

rec.games.video gets silly reoganisation suggestions about once a
fourtnight.

There are many more.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
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From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:42:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.054217.6972
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle


Ed, there are some people who enjoy being "stoppers."  Personally,
I'm for the free market of ideas rather than arbitrary votes deter-
mining the lifeblood of a newsgroup.  If enough people, on learning
of a newsgroup's existence, ask an administrator to carry it, great.
If not, don't subscribe to it.  Seems easy enough to me.  But we 
have this pseudo-democratic thing to adhere to (enforced by little
dictators), so let's get on with it.  The notice for revoting has
been posted to news.announce.newgroups.  Vote your conscience and
establish the group.

But I sure sympathize, Ed.

Bob Jacobson
One proposer of two,
sci.virtual-worlds.apps
From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:17:31 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

In article <1992Oct4.150019.16221@vdbsan> dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson) writes:
>
>>20-30 excellent groups.  Perhaps if they had their own venue, where
>>they weren't being constantly told that they were NO comparison to
>>bands (granted they are quite different) that there is NO band
>>that was ever as good as a drumcorps, etc., discussions could flourish.
>
>What HE said!  Amen.
      ^^ <-   Wait, which he do you mean?  Mike may have ended up
saying that, but he didn't start that.  Here's what he was saying around
the part of his post where I "quoted."

 mike>I don't believe marching bands have been mentioned, and we are well into 
 mike>the marching season.  I feel that the reason for this is that marching 
 mike>bands are a much more locally-based activity, whereas drum corps is a 

 mike>In my opinion, the group should focus on drum corps. My preference for a 
 mike>name would be rec.drumcorps.
 
See, he seems to say that because marching bands haven't gathered enough
steam that the group should just be called rec.drumcorps.  NOT what I 
think it should be for the previously mentioned reasons.

Then at the end of the message he relents and says that if there were
sufficient traffic, etc. then r.a.m.bands, etc would be OK.  See below:
 
 mike>This is a viable alternative.  If there is sufficient traffic re.
 mike>marching bands in a group called rec.arts.marching.misc, that would ... 
 mike>justify the existence of a separate group for marching bands/color guards.
 mike>We have already provided ample evidence of interest in a drum corps group
 mike>under the rec. umbrella.
 
I was merely trying to explain why we had no traffic on alt.drumcorps
and why I felt r.a.m.misc or r.a.m.bands would be appropriate.


scott 
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Subject: Re: rec or alt.joke - does one exist?
	<1992Oct2.144237.29792@vicstoy.UUCP>
	<JAAPJL.92Oct5110737@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 13:28:32 -0700

In <JAAPJL.92Oct5110737@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.144237.29792@vicstoy.UUCP> aphelps@vicstoy.UUCP (Austin Phelps) writes:
>   In article <1992Oct01.140249.28567@bmerh85.bnr.ca> rivan@bnr.ca writes:
>   > I was looking around on my server for a newsgroup

>   It called rec.humor.{d, funny, oricle, oricle.d}

    In light of the recent proposals to rename r.m.bluenote, perhaps the
rec,humor.* heirarchy should also be renamed, as it is obviously difficult
to find for new users, in light of it's confusing name.


-- 
       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
    I think your "evolutionary scale" needs an adjustment.  Either 
      that, or you've got your thumb on it. -> (lefty@apple.com)

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From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:19:26 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <1992Sep28.222229.10680@ultb.isc.rit.edu> whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>There is not near the amount of blues traffic as there is jazz in this group.

This is true, but it is not necessarily a reason to split the traffic.
(Over the last several years the ratio has been around 6:1, maybe 7:1;
recently, it's been more like 5:1, possibly 4:1, depending on how one
classifies articles.)

>Since I started reading this group 6 months ago I've haven't run into
>any notes that really combined the subject of blues and jazz.  

Six months is a very short time to make judgements on the content of
a group; in my experience (which is considerable; I've been on Usenet
since 1980), it takes at least a year to acquire a good sense of
what a newsgroup and its contributors are about.  I should also point
out that while it may be true that *you* "haven't run into any notes
that really combined the subject of blues and jazz", that does not
mean that those notes don't exist...in fact, there have been a number
of discussions which have dealt with the intertwined "blues" and "jazz"
topics, even in the last six months.

I have set the followup on this article to point to news.groups, which
is the appropriate place for discussions on new newsgroups, newsgroup
changes, etc. to take place.  (See "How to Create a New Newsgroup"
in news.announce.newusers.)

---Rsk
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: hch@oclc.org (Curtis Hunter)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:56:33 GMT

In article <BvEFns.F7I@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.182924.28462@oclc.org> hch@oclc.org (Curtis Hunter) writes:
>>In article <BvAK0n.C9B@uunet.uu.net> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>>>Request for Discussion
>>>Newsgroup: rec.arts.marching
>>>Purpose: Discussion of Drum & Bugle Corps, Bands, and Color Guards
>> 
        [stuff deleted]

>
>
>>No one really addressed the question I raised about Why to place the group
>>under rec.arts.*.  I used the example of rec.music before, let me try again.
>>If you look at the rec.* groups, many of them could be considered arts.  But
>>they do not contain arts in their group name.  Example rec.music.*.  Just
>>wondering why the .arts should be included?
>
>Are you asking specifically why rec.marching shouldn't be chosen instead?
>I'll answer that question; if that's not your question, please ask again.
>
>Typically, the first hierarchy of names under rec describe major
>sub-categories of groups: sports, arts, music, games. WRT your example of
>music, there are approximately 20 groups under music.

  Exactly, there are groups under music, but why is music not under arts?  Is
music not a form of art?

>
>Non-major categories, if feasable, should be placed in an appropriate major
>category. For the purpose of our group, music, arts, or possibly sport would
>be candidates. The reasons for choosing arts were discussed in the RFD.
>
>Let me ask you this: why aren't you asking for a group just called "marching?"
>In other words, why is it clear to you why this group should not be under
>rec.arts, but it's fine that it be under rec?

   Why should it be under arts when there are many other groups that are 
considered arts not under arts?  Where would you place *.music.new-age?  Under  rec.arts or rec where it is?  Why are there other groups that do not follow 
this convention?  An example - rec.aquaria.  Where should it be and why did it
get placed directly under rec?  Possibly because it either didn't fit anywhere
else or it fit in too many places?  

>
>--phil
>

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Newsgroups: ks.misc
From: brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy)
Subject: Access at KS/Lawrence.
Organization: Soft-tek International, Wichita, KS
Distribution: ks
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:39:04 GMT

Hi..

Just had a question from a lady who has net access, but not ks.misc.
Her son is now a freshman at KU/Lawrence. She's wants to know how he
can get same. I assume he can get access through Academic Computing,
but he's not a CS major. Anyone know the name/number he should call?

Thanks,

...brig

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From: al@ee.pitt.edu (Alan Martello)
Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Studio Apartment for rent, CHEAP!
Date: 23 Sep 92 20:51:50 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Electrical Eng. Dept., Univ. of Pittsburgh

Posted for a friend:

Studio apartment for rent on South Side, near Birmingham Bridge.  Near
laundromat, Giant Eagle, CoGo's, bus, etc. but away from Carson Street
noise and bar traffic.  Plenty of parking.  Nice place, landlord, and
location; moving into a house nearby.

Cost: $330/month + utilities.

Contact: John at 937-8417
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From: dinesh@civic.ece.cmu.edu (Dinesh D. Gaitonde)
Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Free Bharatanatyam Dance Concert (SPIC-MACAY)
Date: 25 Sep 92 23:12:28 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University


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Tanjore School at Calcutta, India. She also studied under Vazhuvur
Ramaiah Pillai at Madras, India for a number of years. She has given
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She conducts a school in Madras, "Chidambaram", where she imparts
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Her dancing is noteworthy for an ability to register subtle nuances
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Chitra Visweswaran was awarded the Sangeet Natak Academy award in
1988 by India's premier Performing Arts Academy. She was also awarded
the Padmashree - Indian Government's prestigious award for excellence,
in 1991.
From: al@ee.pitt.edu (Alan Martello)
Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Southside Apartment price reduced!
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:14:58 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Elec. Eng. Dept.

From In Pittsburgh:
"South Side - Beautiful all new studio/efficiency.
Wood floors, valuted ceiling, fans, parking, new kitchen.
$300 + utilities.  481-1157"

editorial note: posted for a friend, originally rented for $330.
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