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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
Subject: 1991 anti-gay measure ruled unconstitutional
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:46:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov17.134659.12749
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


The Oregonian, Tuesday, November 17, 1992


By Michelle Locke

Martinez, California - A judge Monday threw out an anti-gay measure that
passed in the Oakland suburub of Concord by 42 votes in 1991.

The ruling came four days after a lawsuit was filed against a similar
measure that just passed in Colorado, and attorneys on th winning sided 
hailed it as part of a judical trend.

"This is a great encouragement to the case in Colorado," said 
American Civil Liberties Union attorney Matt Coles, "One or two
more victories showing that the courts will not tolerate this and we may be 
able to stop this initiative madness."

In elections last month, voters in Oregon turned down Measure 9, which 
would have amended the Oregon Constitution to declare homosexuality abnormal.
And last week in Oregon, the Oregon Court of Appeals overturned a 1988 anti-
gay rights measure that had rescinded then Gov. Neil Goldschmidt's 
executive order barring state agencies from discrimination against gay men 
and lesbians because of their sexual orientation.

But voters in Colorado......

In California, the state Court of Appeals declared a similar ordinance
in Riverside unconstitutional last year.  That case arose after the city
council refused to put the ordinance on a 1991 ballot.

The Concord initiative, which passed by 42 votes in November 1991, overturned
part of a city human rights law banning discrimination on the basis of
sexual orientation.

Contra Costa County Superior Court Judge Ellen James said Monday that 
Measure M singled out gays for unequal treatment without good cause.  She
threw out the law without a trial.  Measure M was never enforced because
opponents got a court order banning it while the lawsuit was pending.

Proponents argued that gays and bisexuals pose a public health risk because
of their sexual practices."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: The Hate Gene (was Re: Social Democracy)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:23:11 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.010003.1940@wam.umd.edu>
aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.225857.7844@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>[--------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]

>OK. Now I know what are not family values.

There are others, but we thought to leave at least a few
things to your imagination.  This was apparently a bad idea.

>Can Mr. Anderson tell which are the ones that are  family values?

For starters: love, compassion, nurture.

Not so difficult, eh?

<> The first thing I do in the morning is brush my teeth and
<> sharpen my tongue. -- Oscar Levant
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ugly
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 10:43:40 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov20.151556.8993@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>

Anthony Berno writes:
>Anthony Berno also writes:
>>Bears have at least some exposure in mainstream gay media
>
>George Dalton Madison writes:
>> No, we don't. 
>
>Max Rochlin writes:
>>Face it, George, bears are uninteresting to mainstream gay media.
>
>George Dalton Madison writes:
>>  This simply isn't true.  _HONCHO_ has done a couple of
>>  "bear" oriented issues...
>
>So, are we MARGINILIZED, or NOT???

We are. One magazine doing a couple "special" issues in the
space of two years isn't the same thing as having Bears (or
whatever) appear in the magazine on a REGULAR basis. The
point I was making here is that the *response* to those (dare
I say it) "Bear Ghetto" issues should have pounded through
The Clue that there is a regular market for that sort of thing.
 
() I used to be Snow White, but I drifted.
()      -- Mae West
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: "homo"
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:03:14 GMT


In article <1e65chINNepb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher) writes:

>A benighted adolescent in my neighborhood yelled "homo" at me  
>this morning, and I, remembering the etymology of "homosexual", 
>thought: how ironic it is that this boy is trying to reassure himself that 
>I am something he would never be by in effect shouting "same" at me.

I liked that; zipped it into my quotes file forthwith!

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Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Conch Fritters
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:08:45 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Mara Chibnik writes:

>So did I.  It made a nice change from Chinese food, too.  (But

Except the conch fritters.  They were like deep fried bits of radial
tire.  Maybe we should have brought our own Velveeta.

>And Tovah's soup really didn't have pods in it, did it?

Shhhhhhhhhhhh!  Never utter a word about the pods.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1drjnnINNm7g@mizar.usc.edu>
	<1992Nov11.215211.14314@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1dsd2iINN3d7@mizar.usc.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:41:31 GMT

In article <1dsd2iINN3d7@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

   In article <1992Nov11.215211.14314@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> 
   ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

   > Oh, yes!  Any of them Faggots who can't be retrained to be closet
   > cases and act like strayt white min will just have to be THROW OUT!
   >
   > Halleluyah!  

   A student's sexual orientation and whether he or she is
   in or out of the closet is of no concern to an acting 
   program.  What we're talking about is how a student ACTS
   on stage.

No, what I am talking about is when someone's sexual orienation is a
concern to the actor program or professors in the Drama Department
(which is more than acting).

Scott
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Military info needed
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<19921112164502ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
	<1992Nov13.170045.899@PacBell.COM>
	<KINGDON.92Nov14122626@east-win.east-wind.org>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:37:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <KINGDON.92Nov14122626@east-win.east-wind.org> kingdon@east-wind.org (Jim Kingdon) writes:

   Bill Clinton writes: 

       And the issue ought to be conduct.  Has anybody [d]one anything
       which would disqualify them, whether it's Tailhook scandal or
       something else?  

   I take this to mean that, at least for purposes of selling this to the
   military, he plans to emphasize that the Military Code of Justice
   still prohibits sodomy (assuming the previous post to soc.motss on
   this is correct).  Maybe useful in dragging a reluctant military
   towards actually ceasing to discriminate based on orientation, but it
   could cause a problem for us when we try to get the sodomy repealed.

   Do other people have different interpretations?

I haven't interpreted his statements that way.  I don't think he's
referring to the sodomy laws (which he clearly wouldn't support; but I
don't think he's made any statements about them).  I think he's
talking about conduct for two reasons:

One, because it's hard for anyone to argue that conduct isn't the
issue (being most of the opponents bring up all this weird conduct
they expect gays to indulge in the second they gain any recognition),

and two (and most importantly), because the military is on the
defensive right now in the conduct area.  Tailhook is really shaking
up the (Navy, right?).  Tailhook has probably done more good for gays
in the military than any other recent event.  It proves that nice ol'
heterosexual boys can engage in all the "conduct" that people say gays
will engage in.  Thanks to that, the military can't claim "well, we
were free of any inappropriate sexual behavior before them gays were
allowed in..."
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: Mark.Steiger@f4018.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Mark Steiger)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bear codes and list
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:53:02 -0600

Could someone send me a copy of the bear codes along with any
information on bear mailing lists?

Thanks

Mark


 * Origin: The Igloo BBS Minneapolis 612-574-2079 (1:282/4018)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stuart S Goldstone)
Subject: Screwed up and alone again...
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:52:06 GMT


	I feel a little out of place posting this in the middle of all this
discussion about Colorado, but here goes anyway...  Maybe someone will see
it and have something to tell me.

	Some of you might remember the first and last times I posted, though
I imagine that so many articles go through here that no one remembers.  It
was eight months ago...  I was lamenting my situation, I really liked this
guy but couldn't have him because he said he was straight, but then he told
me he was bi, and then he told me he loved me, and I was... happy...

	We had a great time together, he was sweet and kind and loving and
caring (and gorgeous) and everything that I could want in a guy.  We went
out for eight months, and it was wonderful, but last Monday he ended it, we
ended it, it ended.  I have been very screwed up in the head, as I suppose
anyone is after their first relationship ends, after they lose their first
love.

	Now, the thing is, I think I'm not very optimistic.  What is out
there?  I don't know.  I have never been to a gay bar.  I don't think I can
find love in a bar.  I met Paul here, we are both involved in the theater
group here.  But I just don't know what the future holds for me.  Sometimes
I feel like I am going to be alone my whole life.  Does anyone have anything
to tell me?  I know I must sound like the most depressing person in the
world.  I just want to know where I go to look for guys who are looking for
other guys, not (just) for sex but for real love, something that might last
for years.  I don't know, am I just looking for the same thing everyone else
is?  And if so, does that mean that we are all doomed to look for something
that isn't there??
-- 
         Stuart S. Goldstone          |  "If it's true that one person always
Internet: golds_ss@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu |    loves more than the other, why not
       BITNET: golds_ss@jhuvms        |     be the one who feels the most?"
         GEnie: S.GOLDSTONE1          |                -- TORCH SONG TRILOGY
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.164556.25749@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>I thought stiff brie was anathema to true connoisseurs. To get it
>appropriately runny, isn't it generally sufficient to let it stand at
>room temperature for half an hour or so? I'm not a real brie lover
>myself... and I *am* rather fond of sharp cheddar, in moderation.

It is anathema.  Let it be cast out, into the burning fiery furnace
(where, on the way, it may momentarily transform into a fondue).

No, it's not necessarily sufficient.  I was once served with a Brie
that, even though it had stood at room temp for at least two hours,
could still be *chewed*.  I eschewed it.

Sharp Cheddar in moderation?  Moderation in all things, say I;
especially moderation.

				Kay
-- 
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37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:35:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <46001@ogicse.ogi.edu> <1992Nov17.053243.25307@reed.edu>
  <46014@ogicse.ogi.edu>

Mark Morrissey writes:
>It took years of cut and grow, cut and grow before I got my beard trained  
>to grow on demand.  The sad part is that I am such a little furnace 
>that I can't stand to wear it year round (not even in Butte, Montana 
>where "hot" is 85 degrees).

Hmmm... Perhaps what you need then is a harem of Bears, Wolves,
Otters and Other Furry Creatures to fan you, keep you supplied
with your favorite cool drinks and do your sweating FOR you. 

;-{)##]

[Gaia, what a *PICTURE*! ;-{)##]
 
() When bears are seen approaching in the distance, make up
() your mind at once between retreat and armed resistance.
()      -- Gene Ward Smith
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Can you tell me about this TV show?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:52:01 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

In <2b090762@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes
about the Queer Jester and the Victim Queen, and about the thin
strip of permissible behavior for gay men in his country, adding:

 >And yes, there's a similar thin strip for lesbians to live
 >in.  But that's another story.

Might someone who knows be prevailed upon to tell it?


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:23:40 GMT


Nelson and FJ talking about cheeses gets me going.

Chili con queso, made with Velveeta and chopped chilis
(unlike, surprisingly, the Texas thing Nelson reports), is
popular here.  I've had it pretty fiery a couple times.
There's a place here that makes really good blue-corn
tortilla chips, which I love.  I usually skip the so-called
chili con queso and eat the chips plain or dipped in not so
fiery salsa.  The sole virtue of Velveeta is that it's
always smooth when melted (the library paste in it does
that, I suppose).

We'll have to work on you Nelson, about sharp cheddar and
sharper yet Swiss cheese.  You can't get the really good
stuff in stores here, but in Wisconsin you're seldom more
than 20 miles from a good cheese factory (what a wonderfully
sour but clean smell they have!).  If you get there about
3:00 in the afternoon, when they're pretty much done for the
day, you can jabber with the cheesemaker, who will take you
back in the cooler to try the really good stuff.  Costs an
arm and a leg, but hey, that's why we work, eh?  Both aged
cheddar and aged Swiss should be at least six months old
(what's called "aged" in the supermarket is usually about
two months old), and fairly crumbly, at or just below room
temperature, and eaten with a really good flatbread (no
salt!) and strong coffee or a tasty homemade libation like
dandelion wine.  I like cheese with beer, too.

In the soft-cheese department, some guy came from France a
few years ago to a small Wsconsin town called Belmont and
started making first-rate Brie, called, naturally enough,
Brie de Belmont.  This too must be fully ripened, that is,
starting to run almost as soon as you get it out of the
fridge.  Delicious, but very hard on the arteries, so it
should be done in moderation.

There are, fortunately, lots of good cheeses on this earth.

As for dietary weirdness, I've not run into many people who
drink aloe vera gel regularly, which I do to the tune of
about an ounce daily (in OJ).

ObMotss: queers eat.

<> Most rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing
<> people who can't talk for people who can't read.
<> -- Frank Zappa
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From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:32:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.202552.4778@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>   To
>   everybody else he is a pop icon, fashion icon and now gay
>   icon.'

I still say he wants slapping around a bit to wipe that impudent smile off
his face; then he needs to be thrown bodily off the stage into a pouting
sea of cardigan queens.


--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin)
Subject: RE: Military Ban (etc.)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:08:52 GMT

>>Rather than just voting for no one in the next election maybe it is
time to start running queer candidates where there is no viable democratic
or republican option. If the queer candidate gets 10% of the vote (enough
to change the result of virtually any race) congress critters will have
to start taking us more seriously.

If Clinton himself goes back on it I will change my registration to republican
so I can vote for Weld in the republican primaries. He is more pro gay rights
than most democrats.<<

Now, now -- not everyone can live here in Massachusetts (which has the only two
openly gay members of congress, the most pro-gay gov I know of, and -- hell! --
the Kennedys to boot!), although you're all welcome.

Just wipe your feet first.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:43:45 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <Bxx8wr.Hsp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk
>Johanning) wrote:
>> Ok, Matthew, what about that surly waiter you had??

>He was French.

need he say more?

--mike
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: RE: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:04:04 GMT


In article <19NOV92.13431401@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
|> In a previous article, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) wrote:
|> >a Caribbean restaurant
|> 
|> I suppose that is sort of like going to a European restaurant, or
|> an Asian restaurant.

Choosing to overlook the "I live closer to the Caribbean so
I *know*" attitude, I continue:

This restaurant (named "Caribe") has on its menu selections
from several different Caribbean islands, including Dominica,
Puerto Rica and Jamaica, and groups of islands, including but 
not limited to the Netherlands Antilles.

In most cases, the names of the islands or groups that these
dishes are associated with are noted on the menu.  Making it,
in clear fact, a *Caribbean* restaurant.

::snap::

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Distribution: na,uk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:47:33 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.182944.10702@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

|> When I was down in
|> Na'lins for Decus a few people noticed upon my return various tell-
|> tale signs of that dread dialect -- it seems that my slowing in speech
|> and drawl were more to due with the massive imbibing which took place
|> on that trip (right Greg?) and thankfully there's no trace now.

Southern accents and their acquisition by non-southerners
is a good indicator of sluttiness.

I of course spent part of my upbringing in beautiful
Lousiana - the northern white-trash part - so I have
an accent that *comes back*, not one that I acquire.
I do, however, give other indications of my sluttiness.

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: palepink@lily.arts.com (Suzii Abe)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:42:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: lily.q1qkuB2w165w

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

> But... but... he was right, wasn't he? CO-2 isn't nearly as bad
> as OR-9. 

CO:2 is *much* *worse* than OR:9.  CO:2 is a part of a state 
constitution; OR:2 is a part of a history lesson.

A major chunk of the reason why CO:2 *is* much worse than OR:9
is that OR:9 *could* *have* *been* much worse than CO:2.

Get it?

--Suzii.
palepink@lily.arts.com

(Well, yes, I put a bunch-o-effort into fighting OR:9 and none
at all into CO:2--just another NIMBY victim.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general