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From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas and Anti-Semitism
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:07:51 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <42817@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:
>	The word "anti-Semite" connotes someone who is against
>	Jews, according to the dictionaries.
>	The fact that "Semite" appears in the word does not
>	affect the meaning.  (Note that "Jew's pitch" has the
>	word "Jew" in it, but it means "asphalt".)
>	Arabs can indeed be anti-Semitic, and a classic
>	example is Hamas.  The blatant anti-Semitism of Hamas
>	is yet further indication of how far Hamas has strayed
>	from the good principles of Islam.

I have no problem with the term "anti-Semitism" meaning the hatred of Jews.
I further think it's a pathetic argument to say that Arabs can't be 
anti-Semites because they themselves are Semites.  As you correctly
point out, the meaning of any term (and "anti-Semitism" is a term) should be 
taken from dictionaries not from the literal wording.

Where I disagree is when you say Hamas are anti-Semitic.  Fundamentalism
is different from anti-Semitism.  Hamas has the following view:

Premise: Jews are occupiers and oppressors who stole Palestinian land, 
         tortured native inhabitants and committed all kinds of atrocities.
Conclusion: Therefore, the Jews should be fought and driven out of the whole 
            land of Palestine.  

Whether the above premise and conclusion are valid or not is irrelevant to 
my discussion here.  My point is that fighting the Jews for their being 
oppressors is different from fighting them for the mere fact of their being 
Jews; i.e., different from the ugly racism of European anti-Semitism.

Bernard Lewis (and again, I'm no fan of the guy) distinguishes three kinds of
antipathy to Jews: 1) Anti-Israel, 2) "normal" prejudice in which Jews are
simply despised, and 3) anti-Semitism, in which Jews are seen as sub-human
cosmic enemies who must be totally destroyed.  I think Arabs/Muslims are
mainly in the first category, and sometimes in the second, but never really in
the third.  Nazism and neo-Nazism (i.e., the real ansi-Semitism that I join
all Jews in firmly opposing) falls in the third.

Best Ahmad
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PLO COVERUP
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:35:27 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <92363.14464634I2NYW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 34I2NYW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Christopher Khoury) writes:
>                          ^^^^
>OH COMON Mr. Carasso. Look at the date on this thing. Don't you think
>a few things have changed over the past... *13* years??
>For your info, the PLO has already said long ago that they support the
>peace talks. Where have you been?

:-)  Like the lost jemal in the desert ...

Anisa

	"Open your heart - showing the anger and pain
	 - so you heal."  [Shaking the Tree]
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 3 Jan 93 06:25:00 GMT
	<1993Jan1.203917.26921@cs.umb.edu>
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

>>>>> On 1 Jan 93 20:39:17 GMT, ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem) said:


	Ahmad> In article <1i0epvINN6a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>Where in quran or in hadith hamas violates the basic rules of justice.

Ahmad> circles here.  To say the least, Hamas's attacking Jewish *kids* violates 
[....]
Ahmad> you failed to quote the verse or hadith that when Muslims are weak they
Ahmad> could kill (Jewish) kids; i.e., that when Muslims are weak they do not have
Ahmad> to follow Abu Bakr's commandments.

Watch out for * Hamas killing or attacking * Jewish kids this from a big
lie in posts like that of the one who signed a recent message as being:
 	a zionist pig monkey boy.
we  all know he is full of  -kadhib-wa shatAim- So please if you have 
some ref about this let us see it!
Malek.
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Enough stupidity (Re: What is  H a m a s  ??)
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:09:10 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <1i0ej7INN68d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>>
[.......]
>
>Does a fanatic like me deserve all of this attention from you?
  Definitly YES, because we are defending the same people (i hope), and i 
feel that your approach to the problem is NOT a constructive one. It's
exactly the kind of answer Israel and the net.Israel.lobby is looking for,
just to portray Palestinian as fanatics who'll never accept a compromise
with Israel. The more you use this logic, the more you allow your opponent
to use the same one, and the result is deaf dialog (do you remember your
famous phrase "you need to generalize" ?)..

>If you don't like what I say, recommend to all sca netters what
>you recommended to carasso.  Tell them to either leave me
>alone by not replying on my messages, or use kill file process.
  For one reason, carasso is the kind of people i'll never live with in the
same country. On the other side, you are an Arab, and there MUST be a
possible dialog between us. You have been acting in an indecent manner and
distributed random insults on non-Muslims, as if you had the right to be our
judge and knew what's in our heart.
>
>A nother sign of a christian who likes muslims.. 
  I'll not answer your provokation this time. You really don't know me, and
it's sad to see people who choose to isolate themselves in a bipolar world.
Try to get out of your sectarism only for a while, i've lost several of my
relatives because of a war which was initiated and alimented by sectarism
(does the world Lebanon means something for you ?).
And i don't wish to see the same thing happen again for ANYONE, if you can't 
understand me then i'm really very sorry for you.
  PEACE.
-- 
Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr
    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | IMAG, INPG.
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:35:21 GMT

In <20179.2b348a02@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:

" In article <1992Dec17.152905.8931@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:
" > In <20142.2b2d0986@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
" > 
" >>In article <nabeel.723842856@oracle.sce.carleton.ca>, nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
" >>>    Omar chased them off Khaibar when they attacked A. ibn Omar when he was
" >>> visiting some gardens there. Omar did that in _no_ violation with the
" >>> Prophets covenant with the Jews when he took over Khaibar.
" > 
" >>It was Imam Ali who conquered Khaibar and Omar had little contribution
" >>towards that.  Please set the historic record clear in your mind.
" > 
" >>regards,
" > 
" >>Asad.
" > 
" > Fanaticism is very bad, it makes one blind!!
" >

" This principle is only good to people if they practise it rather than
" just reciting it.
"  

   How smart! You taught us how to practise it, thanks, dude!

"   
" > Note that chasing them off Khaibar is different than conquering Khaibar.
" > 

" My English has improved.  Tell me meaning of "Take over Khaibar" as well, 
" will you? 

   Since you are the historitian, you may want to teach us a lesson or two,
what do you think?

   I do not find "take over Khaibar" anywhere in the thread, so you may need
to visit the English language department in Limerick. But I take your quote
to mean what Omar (raa) did, not what Ali (raa) did which is coquered the
place after Abu Bakr and Omar (raa) had shaken it up. Also, it was not Ali
alone, the army which conquered Khaibar. Also to your knowledge, it was the
result of the Prophet's (MPBUH) prayers for Muslims and later namely for
Ali that made it a victory. If you heard a rumour or two about history, we
surely know a little more.

   Have fun, you and your sick fans. Ali is innocent of you, suckers.

" >> 
" > Ahmed
" > 
" > -- 
" > Ahmed I. El-Habbash, 
" > Department of Computer Science, Trinity College,
" > Dublin 2, Ireland.
" > Tel: office: +353-1-7021524

" Asad.

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From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 26 Dec 92 14:22:45 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec26.001957.21618@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Rogre Hitler Carasso) writes:
>
>By the same reasoning Israel is completely justified and *should*
>expel those 400 Palestinians, for living with, and generally
>supporting, Hamas, which kills Israelis.  After all "Be general in
>your perspective".  If Hamas kills a policeman, murder charges should
>be brought up on all Hamas supporters.  Expulsion for upto 2 years
>seems gentle by comparison.
>
>now whose being illogical, you racist fuck.

From what you quoted, Hamaza wrote:
#Don't play smart by asking individual evidences!  Be general in your
#perspective.  As said in Arabic,"The one who lives with a group of people 40
#days, become part of them."  What applies to the border guard who kills
#kids, apply to any other border guard.

He did not say that anything that applies to one border guard applies
to all supporters of border guards.  You, on the other hand, said that
all that applies to all Hamas members applies to anyone who supports
them.

Of course, this logical inconsistency is necessary for you in order to
find a support for your argument, because the 400 Palestinians who
were expelled have not been proved to be Hamas members.  They are only
accused of being Hamas members.

Personally, though, I would say that you're not doing this
delibrately; you're making a honest mistake, due to your poor
understanding of the meaning of constructions in the English language.
Of course, I might be mistaken as to your intentions.

Basalat Ali Raja.
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The U.N. votes to condemn Israeli Action
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:24:11 GMT
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.

ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban) writes:

>In article <1992Dec23.042508.19210@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>[...]
>>Of course, that's nothing new, since if the Arabs really cared about
>>the Palestinian Arab refugees, that problem would have been solved
>>over four decades ago.

>The refugees themselves refused to be settled, back then. Just as
>the Palestininans expelled recently refuse to go to Lebanon and
>have said they agree with Lebanon's policy not to let them in.

Their plight is no less tragic because it is partially self-inflicted.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The U.N. votes to condemn Israeli Action
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:05:00 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec27.162411.19604@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>
>Their plight is no less tragic because it is partially self-inflicted.

Really?  You are very smart, Alan, masha'Allah.  But no one is fooled.
Yes, the Arabs are partly responsible, but that does not allow the
foundation for continuing to deny Palestinians their rights and dignity.
Will you recognize the other self-infliction and pain that is being
pressured or will you continue to shift the blame and reduce the severity
of the Palestinian Plight?
 
Anisa

	"When the dust has cleared And victory denied A summit
	too lofty River a little too wide If we keep our pride -
	Though paradise is lost We will pay the price. But we will
	not count the cost."
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: TERRORIST MURDERING HAMAS
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:27:00 GMT

carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:



>Today's HA'ARETZ reports that the Hamas organization yesterday
>called for an increase in the attacks against Israel Defense Forces
>in the Territories. The organization also took the responsibility
>for the murders of 15 year-old Helena Rap in Bat Yam and Rabbi
>Shimon Biran in Kfar Darom.


>...a 15 year old girl and a rabbi.  lovely.

So, what else is new?

I'm waiting for the UN to pass a resolution condemning Helena Rap for
allowing herself to be murdered.
-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: H a m a s
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:58:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Reports from the occupied terretories indicate that Hamas
is gaining support among most Palestinians due to the latest
developments.  418 Fundamentalists will be substituted by 4180
new ones.  The fact that Rabin is making daily speeches to
threaten Hamas indicates Hamas is something.

Was the deportation of 418 Palestinians a MAJOR mistake?

Ibrahim
{
 46. And they have indeed planned their plan, but their plan
 is with Allah, though their plan was such that the mountains
 should pass away thereby.

 47. Therefore do not think Allah (to be one) failing in His
 promise to His apostles; surely Allah is Mighty, the Lord of
 Retribution.
}

-- 
                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
                 (______   _  |   _  |_
_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |
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From: hermi@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The vanquished always want to imitate the victor (Ibn Khaldun)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 11:39:13 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

The last paragraph does not belong to the original text but it slipped -
I forgot to erase it.

Lotfi 

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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: SYRIAN LUNATICS
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:29:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.175146.24675@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
|> Path: titan!trlluna!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!gatech!concert!uvaarpa!murdoch!Turing.ORG!carasso
|> From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
|> Subject: SYRIAN LUNATICS
|> Message-ID: <1992Dec28.175146.24675@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
|> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU
|> Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
|> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:51:46 GMT
|> Lines: 9
|> 
|> 
|> "Palestine is not only a part of our Arab homeland, but a basic part
|> of southern Syria."
|> 
|> 	President Hafez Addad of Syria
|> 	Radio Damascus, March 8, 1974
|> 
|> ...
|> 

Firstly, it is President Hafez Assad.
Secondly, he is abosolutely correct.
Thirdly, Syria was divided and weakend to make room for the Zionist state
that indeed occupies Southern Syria.

A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Gary Young)
Subject: Names & addresses of airline companies & flying schools
Summary: I would like contacts of names & addresses of airline companies
Keywords: Names & addresses of airline companies
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:11:59 GMT

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_______________________________________________________________________________
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:26:08 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

There is a typo in my last posting.  The third paragraph should read:

"Don't get me wrong, though.  I do see a fundamental difference between
attacking a civilian vs attacking a soldier.  The former, I think, is
always wrong, but the latter is not always so (i.e., sometimes it is)."

Sorry!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:6176 talk.politics.mideast:24558
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 3 Jan 93 08:16:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan3.003929.22905@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>In article <4822@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>
># No, I don't admit that at all.  But you are right.  There never did exist
># a State of "plaestine".  It was always referred to as Palestine.  So,
># when you start speaking clearly, we will be more receptive to listening.
>
>	What you refer to never existed.  There has never existed a state
>by the name you refer to it above.  So you are still blocking the
>truth from yourselves.

This is obviously going nowhere.  You stubbornly refuse to recognize
that there was a land named Palestine, and people named Palestinians.
I guess this kind of attitude allows you to be guilt-free but we will
not allow you the luxury.  And you will **never** expect to live in
peace when you refuse to recognize Palestinian legitimacy and rights.
Very simple, David.

# 	"We don't live in Israel.  Not at all.  We live in
# 	Palestinian territory.  It's Israeli occupied."
# 					Hanan Ashrawi
 
>	But what did she say when she woke up from her dream?

	"We just hope that the Israelis will reciprocate and will
	not continue to create such painful and aggrevating conditions
	on the ground that need to further hostilities and feed the
	cycle of violence.  The occupation is an abnormal, distorting
	condition.  It has to come to an end.  And I think only then
	will you see an end to violence."

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:49:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.162904.7304@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>
>Belonging to Hamas is enough.  Would you refuse to condemn an American who
>is a member of the KKK, but claims that he "doesn't agree with everything
>they stand for"?  And Hamas is worse than the KKK, if possible; the KKK
>doesn't (openly) advocate killing every Jew and black in America.

I may desagree with the IRM in some issues, but the above is a lie.
IRM in the worst case believes in killing  Israelis as a means of
fighting against occupiers who happen to be Jews. It does not call for the
killing of any Jews or all Jews. It sees all settlers as targets because
they are in their view aggressors who are taking their lands.

I do not agree with them in killing UNARMED civilians (including settlers)
but any armed Israeli in the occupied territory should be a fair target
as I pointed out before. If you do not like the heat get out of the
oven. That is the motto of all wars of liberation.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: hhamouda@unity.ncsu.edu (Hechmi Hamouda)
Subject: Re: VIDEO CONVERSION: U.S. AND OTHER STANDARDS(PAL/SECAM/NTSC)
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:56:18 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,misc.test,misc.jobs.offered,rec.pets,talk.bizarre,soc.culture.nordic 
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:25:17 GMT


cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza Hitler Salah) writes:
)A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir) says:
))[...deleted...]
))Sincerely
))Altaf Qadir
))
)Well Said brother Altaf....


I have not joke here, I just like saying "Well Said brother Altaf."

carasso
.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Anti-Semitism
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:17:07 GMT

May I recommmend for those militant Jewish supporters that when arguing with
Arabic posters to use Anti-Jewish instead of Anti-Semitism. Afterall, how
could Arabs be anti-Semitic when they are Semitic people.

Is it possible that all of you have only one Anti-Semitic rubber stamp, in that
case the time has come to get another one.

A.Faris