HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rbb@ss2-325.cfm.brown.edu (Robert Bruce Bauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: (SRA?)
Date: 14 Apr 1992 15:48:40 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: ss2-325.cfm.brown.edu

|> 
|> Is scoring-runners-advanced (SRA) a stat in any book??
|> 

Please, we need another useless stat like like the NL needs the DH.

If you're going to give a SRA to Gwynn, don't you have to give Sheffield
a GWRBI (Game Winning RBI), and from here we can start to make up more and
more useless stats (GLE) (Game Loosing Error), PMD (Poor Manager's Decision).

There are many usefull stats in this game, and many useless ones. I don't think
a SRA (while it is important for players to do) it not needed.

Bruce
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From: dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Yawn (was Toronto and Yankees babble)
Organization: Guarded Optimism, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:29:14 GMT

In article <texdude.703349124@camelot> texdude@camelot.bradley.edu (Philip Allen) writes:
>Is it just me, or does everyone think that Blue Jays fans are getting a
>little cocky this year?  (No, are they?)

Yes.  Some of them (us) are.  It's a little embarrassing.
(Note to those prone to gloating:  Guys!  Keep cool!  It's a long season!)

The people who are gloating now are the same ones who will be bitching
if the team starts to struggle.

> It's not like they won the World
>Series or even the AL Championship.  In fact, they only won their division
>in the last few games.  And what is the difference between this year and
>last year?  Jack Morris, Dave Winfield, and an injured Tom Henke.

I *think* Henke is okay right now (he said, crossing his fingers), and
Winfield doesn't seem to have lost any bat speed with age.  (Winfield says that
he loves to hit here; the early numbers don't disagree.)  It's too early
to tell whether he will wilt as the season goes on.

There are a couple of other factors that I think are relevant:

-- John Olerud worked out over the offseason, and has improved as a hitter.
He seems to be a little more aggressive *without* sacrificing plate
discipline.

-- Pat Borders is off to a much better start.  (Of course, it's hard
not to do better than he did last year; he hit under .100 in April then.)
Even he is drawing the occasional walk.

Since White and Carter are still producing, this means that the Jays
are getting production out of lineup spots 1 through 8 (with the possible
exception of Maldonado).  Last year, only spots 1 through 4 were effective.

It is, of course, far too early to draw meaningful conclusions.  A team
is never as good as it looks when it is going well, and I suspect that
there will be quite a pennant race brewing as soon as the Sox get untracked.
-- 
--Dave Till, Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems, Sietec Open Systems Division,
2235 Sheppard Ave. E. #1800, Willowdale, Ont. (dave@sni.CA or dave@snitor.uucp)
Currently #7 on the rec.sport.baseball "Dave" chart.
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From: babeard@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Billy Aaron Beard)
Subject: Re: Cardinal Club
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:29:27 GMT



>>  If  YOU want to be on this list, submit yourself to the Cardinal Fan
>>Caravan.
>>
>>No Charge, No Deposit, No Return.
>>
>>Dan

SIGN ME UP!!!

    Billy Beard  babeard@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu

*8-)
From: roberts@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dukes Update
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:23:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.sbxj1-m
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Welcome to the first installment of the 1992 Dukes update.  Due
to a busy weekend of school projects, I am posting the scores
of the first four games of the season with a few notes to
follow:

Thursday April 9, 1992.  At the Albuquerque Sports Stadium, the
Dukes, guided by rookie manager Bill Russell, beat the Las
Vegas Stars (AAA San Diego Padres) by a score of 5-2 in the
season opener for both clubs.  Tommy Goodwin hit an inside-the-
park homerun to break the game open.   Pedro Martinez, brother
of the Dodgers pitcher Ramon, pitched 8 innings, giving up
1 hit, 0 runs, walked 1 and struck out 11.  He looked sharp in 8
innings, but a pitch count of 112 did him in.  Pedro Astacio 
relieved Martinez and gave up a two run homer to Scott Coolbaugh
of the Stars in the top of the ninth.

Friday April 10:  Albuquerque 9 Las Vegas 4.  The Dukes came
back from a 4-1 defecit after 5 innings of play to obtain
the win and remain undefeated at 2-0 on the season.

Saturday April 11:  Las Vegas 3 Albuquerque 2.  An 8th inning
error by Dukes second baseman Eric Young led to the Stars game
winning run.   

Sunday April 12:  Albuquerque 12 Las Vegas 5.  Tom Goodwin
hit his second home run of the season in this game, and for
the second time this year, it was an inside the park homerun.  

The Dukes have Monday April 13th off before playing a four
game series at the Albuquerque Sports Stadium against the
Tacoma Tigers (featuring top prospect Todd Van Poppel).

Robert

-- 

Robert Smathers   (roberts@triton.unm.edu) Albuquerque, NM  USA
Moderator, UNI Satellite TV Conference
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: NY MET ENVY
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:34:25 GMT

In article <Apr.9.10.52.33.1992.12408@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>chen70@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>
>>which is defined as follows: propensity for a fan of a perennial loser
>>(see cubs:1945) to become an anti-fan of the team clearly recognized as 
>{stuff deleted}
>>perennial losing teams.  Usually concentrated in Cleveland, the epidemic
>>is spreading rapidly to Philadelphia, Chicago, and Houston.  
>
>off on a great foot, - hey, did you know houston came into the
> league in 1962? 

Not only that, but the Mets lost all twelve of their games to the 'Stros
in 1969.  Only luck kept them from losing in '86.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "I would think that if God were on Arafat's side, the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  plane wouldn't have crashed in the first place."
U o' C Law Skool   +  
Chi, IL 60637      +  					--  Daniel Frank
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: palmer2@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (The Econoclast)
Subject: Re: Mack Beaning
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:03:50 GMT

In article <44605@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale) writes:
> I saw the hit several times, and from the reaction of the pitcher
> and the commentary I heard that was in no way an intentional hit.
> I think it's overreatcing to say that every time a batter gets hit
> that the pitcher did it on purpose.  Can we say that every batted
> ball that hits a pitcher was put there on purpose?  No.  Not
> every pitched or batted ball goes exactly where it's supposed to,
> these things are just a way of life.

These coincidences really bother me. I'd just as soon see a rule that
says a pitcher and the manager must be ejected if:

a) the batter after a homerun is hit, or
b) a batter is hit during his next at bat following a homerun.

	I know this rule would take away the inside edge of the plate
from pitchers going against batters who lean in to the plate, and so
it may not be workable. So maybe it can't be a _per se_ violation, but
a judgement call from the ump. 

-- 
  Regards,

  John Palmer      London, Ontario     Voice: (519) 661-3533     FAX: 672-4976
  reply to palmer2@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca    The Economics Institute for Journalists
  ============================================================================
  The New Economics: Overlapping Generalizations & Rationalized Expectorations
From: twhitmir@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Timothy Whitmire)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Unbearable Braves Promotion
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:33:29 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In article <Mdt08Lq00iV1A0pf1l@andrew.cmu.edu> pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
>
>
>Did anyone catch the Braves special(hosted by Goodman) on TBS. That's
	.
	.
	.
>
>I knew something like this would happen. I hope the Reds make it to the
>playoffs, instead of the Braves. For some reason, the Pirates loss to
>their traditional 70s rival(REDS) in 1990 was much easier to take than
>their 1991 loss to the Braves.

I thought it was pretty good!  It sounds like you were probably one of
the rude fans that confronted the NLChamps in Pittsburgh last year---
or did you stay home like most other Pittsburgh fans?

Tim
From: dudgeon@milton.u.washington.edu (Doug Dudgeon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mariners' home attendance (was Mariners home 4-22, 23, 24?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:40:51 GMT
Reply-To: dudgeon@cheme.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington

lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:

>If the Mariners' performance (i.e., home attendance) doesn't pick up, does
>anyone believe that  the American League owners  could still choose not to
>sanction the Mariners' sale thus freeing them to move if they so choose?

I made it to two M's games last week.  Monday, Opening Night, was a sell-out,
of course, attendance around 55,000.  Saturday's attendance was over 46,000.
OK, so Saturday was Neon Cap Night (ugly caps this year).  Weeknight games
I think are drawing about 15,000, which puts the M's about on par with what
they were drawing last year when they drew a franchise-record 2 million for
the season.

Meanwhile, Jeff Smulyan, perhaps the most hated man in Seattle at this point,
still owns the team.  Further, MLB still hasn't approved the sale to Yamauchi
et al.  Like the business community, the public hasn't been enthusiastic about
supporting what may be a lame-duck season for the M's.  Compound that with
what's happening (or not happening) on the field, and I'm surprised that the
M's are drawing as well as they are.  Maybe this place is really becoming a
baseball town?

Having the ownership in limbo is definitely having an impact on the franchise,
reducing the potential for season ticket sales, advertising, and TV contracts.
And, perhaps surprisingly, MLB has acknowledged this.  I believe the owners
have come around on this one.  Now if they'd just get on with the vote....

						doug
-- 
Doug Dudgeon                              Dept. of Chemical Engineering, BF-10
dudgeon@cheme.washington.edu              University of Washington, Seattle

No longer counting days 'til Opening Day!
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Bobby Valentine uses Al Newman to leadoff!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:35:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.134744.13737@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:

[Talking about Jerry Browne (but not Jerry Brown :-))]
>
>Baltimore, KC, Oakland, and California (and probably a couple others) are
>all going with lesser players at second base right now.

I disagree about California (Bobby Rose) and Oakland (Lance Blankenship).
If Mike Bordick wins the job when Walt Weiss comes back, though, he's probably
worse than Browne.

Still, there are better alternatives out there, probably...

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Charter Member of the Acker-o-phobics Anonymous
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: KC ROYALS
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:14:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: icf.1992Apr7.081411.19060
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Can someone please email me Kevin Appier's pitching line from last night 
against the A's.  I have trouble getting a hold of stats from late west coast 
games.  I need IP,H,R,ER,BB,K and if he got a decision.  Any info on Jim 
Eisenreich would also help.  


                                   Thanks
                                   Eric Sebastian (e2s@hrb.icf.com)
From: dw1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Henry Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 3000 hits
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:24:31 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On ESPN baseball tonight (4/6) they stated that never before had 2
men achieved the 3000 hit mark in the same season.  Yount and
Brett may do it this year.  But am I wrong or didn't Yaz and Brock
get there in 1979??

Regards,
Dave Willis
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott)
Subject: Re: Royals newsletter
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:34:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.011913.1228@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu> dbiggs@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Darren C. Biggs) writes:
>   Does anyone know if the Royals have a fan newsletter.
>   If so, could you E-mail me information about how to subscribe to it.

If they do, you may be the only subscriber in a few weeks.  The season's only
6 games old and I'm already in a deep depression.



Dave Elliott
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: Trivia: What to the numbers mean...?
Organization: ceNTRe for Number Theory Research
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 23:12:56 GMT

57 is the single season record for putouts by a pitcher, held by Dave Foutz, 
1886 (you could look it up). But, somehow, I don't think this is the answer 
they want. 

GM
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dean Palmer/Ivan Rodriguiez
Keywords: Rangers Texas Palmer Rodriguiez
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:40:08 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Apr15.211842.21641@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylanus Deus Latinus) writes:
>Actually now that I think about it, I'm wrong. Palmer was converted at OKC
>over to 3rd; he played 1b and of at Tulsa.

Your memory fails you.  Dean Palmer never played first or outfield for
Tulsa; he played mostly third and some shortstop.  He had played third
exclusively in his professional career to that point.  He played third,
first, and outfield for OKC, but most of his playing time was at third.
For Texas, he's played third, outfield, and short.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Harry & Ron
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:13:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr9.071304.19906
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics

In article <1992Apr8.220411.16238@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:

>
>	A pretty good pitcher?  Patterson?  The jury is definitely still
>	out on him.  He did nothing on the South Side which would get him
>	past journeyman status.  As far as Sammy goes, "awesome"?  He was 1-5
>	yesterday.  That's .200, what he hit last year...  Harry Caray
>	said he made a "Willie Mays catch".  After listening to Harry and
>	Ron Santo for a couple of innings yesterday, one wonders how many
>	Bud's the two had before they hit the airwaves.  Harry is now more
>	incoherent than ever.  He should have hung it up long ago.  Santo
>	pronounces "Sosa" like "Scioscia".  There's got to be better
>	announcers out there, somewhere...  When Thom came back on in the
>	7th, it was like a breath of fresh air...
>

I like Harry; however, it is, uh, amusing to see how many different ways he
can pronounce Hector's name in three short innings.

And Patterson got pasted last night in 1/3 inning.
-- 
Bill Coleman
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From: glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Chicago White Sox
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:00:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr8.210004.3440
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond) writes:


>  	Well, the season has just started and I would like to make a few
>comments.  First, I would like to heartily thank Larry Himes, the Cubs
>GM for making a great trade, in my opinion, to help the White Sox.  People
>can say what they wish, but by getting George Bell for Sammy Sosa and Ken
>Patterson, I think the White Sox seriously ripped the Cubs off. Second, I
>just want to go on record saying that the White Sox are going to win the
>division this year, and probably the World Series. This is their year.
>	Also, I need the help of some Montreal Expos fans.  What do you
>think of Larry Walker?  He was on my Roto team last year, and I am not
>sure if I should keep him.  Is he going to hit all year like he did the
>second half of last season?  Thanks for your help.

>                                                   
>						White Sox in 92,

>						Matt

George Bell went 0-5 (the Hawaii five oh) on opening day, but Sosa was
awesome against the Phillies.  The Cubs got a pretty good pitcher.

Who ripped who off?

Gary Blickhan

(All I hope for is that the Cubs do better than the White Sox,
sixth and seventh respectively...)
From: luigi@bullpen.csd.sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Player Info Needed
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:00:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

Does anyone have information about the following players? Mostly I'm
interested in their chances for playing time and if the fit into the teams 
plans for the future.

Bernard Gilkey - With Gallaraga out and Pedro back at 1st, is Gilkey the
starter now?

Chico Walker - With Bell gone is he going to get a shot at playing? 

Darryl Boston - With the OF the Mets have will he get any AB's?

Tom Prince - Is he just there until Slaught comes back?

Thanks,
luigi
--
Randy Palermo   luigi@csd.sgi.com    Fax: (415)961-6502
Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039
Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. --Steven Wright
From: jerry@bunker.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald J. Lanza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:06:23 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company (Shelton, CT)

In article <204627@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
|>Everyone loves to argue about MVP's, but I want to introduce a new concept:
|>the LVP.  The LVP is the player who costs your team the most just by being
|>in the lineup.  In order to avoid confusion (given that the very worst 
|>players never make it to the majors at all), we'll make this a cumulative
|>stat, so that a true LVP is LVP by virtue of being pathetic for long periods
|>of time.  
|>
|>
|>I've scanned about half of the _TB_ ratings, and come up with a few of the
|>all-time career LVP candidates.  I'll let you guess who the #1 player on the
|>list so far is.  (Numbers through 1990 season.)
|>
|>Player			Batting		SB runs		Fielding	Total
|>
|>???????????		 -269		  -22		  -32		-323
|>
|>Any guesses on The Champion?
|>
|>
|>-- 
	The immortal Johnnie LeMaster ?




					jerry
From: rcodo@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Codo)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:14:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

-> > The players were complaining about the backdrop not being dark enough to   
-> > see the ball well enough.
> 
*> Have the Denver Zephyrs or their opponents ever complained about the back-
*> drop?  Or is it a different backdrop from years past?
> 
   Good question - I don't know. I don't think so because the GM of
   the Rockies addressed the issue on Tv and said it (the backdrop)i
   would  be improved by opening day next year.

-> > Go Chi-Sox!!! Watch out for the Rockies in 1992 :-)  (At least the
-> > uniforms should be cool looking.
> 
**> Who will be wearing Rockies' uniforms in **'92?**  Their farm teams??

    Got me there, I meant '93. oops!

   Rob Codo
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Playoffs (was: Re: Expos)
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:30:14 GMT
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada

In article <167C5D500.CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.035849.16471@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
>cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
> 
>>If one team gets off to a good start, the other 5 or 6 teams in the
>>division have to play the rest of the season knowing it's for nothing.
>>There's GOT to be a 'happy medium' somewhere between the hockey playoff
>>format and the MLB one.
>>
>>I figure if they had the top 2 teams in each division play a best-of-5
>>series, the owners would make more money, and the fans would have some
>>exciting 'ball to watch late in the season.
> 
>What makes baseball's playoff system so great is that only *champions*
>of something (division, league) make the playoffs.  What if two teams
>in a division are tied with two weeks to go, and everyone else is
>eliminated -- then your format has *ruined* a potentially great pennant
>race.  Oh, I forgot, they'll be playing for *home-field advantage*, the
>biggest of the many artificialities in sports like football, basketball
>and hockey.  "Exciting 'ball" to me is important games at the end of the
>regular season, not a playoff where the teams' previous records are thrown
>out the window.  I can't believe I'm deigning to respond to the money
>argument, but:  if you want more money, why not lengthen the season to
>200 games and have 24 teams make the playoffs -- the top 8 will get byes,
>the other 16 will play the first round for spots in the octofinals, and
>as teams get eliminated they report to spring training!  Money isn't
>everything.
> 
>Jeff Caveney
> 
>>--Dave
>>

Talk about sarcasm!!! 
I said 'top 2 teams in each division play best-of-5' and you turn that
into '24 teams make the playoffs'.  That's a bit of a stretch, I'd say...

"Money isn't everything" ?
In baseball, it apparently is.

--Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)
Subject: Re: More of "Stats don't tell the true story." 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:52:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.173612.12689@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.011249.4062@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
> >In <1992Apr2.180215.15843@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ( ) writes:
> >>and what statistics tell you how good that Chicago grass looked to
> >>the Hawk's knees?
> > 

> 
> No, he ran to the Cubs because (as I recall) he wanted to stay in the
> NL and play on grass for a team that had a chance to contend and needed
> an outfielder.  At the time, the Dodgers and the Mets were not hurting
> for outfielders.  His best fit really was Chicago (at that time).
> 
> But that may be irrelevant anyway.  Grass may have helped Dawson.  I
> wish there was a way to really measure that.  Anything to get rid of
> fuzzy green cement!
> 
> >Statistics don't tell you that, but when people say "Artificial turf
> >causes injuries and shortens careers," we can look at the stats to see
> >whether there ARE more injuries on turf, and whether the average career
> >length has shrunk.
> 

Bill James addressed this issue in one of his earlier abstracts and
concluded that artifical turf definitely does NOT shorten careers;
in fact players careers were longer.  I can't remember any other 
details about this though...

Rich Barry
barry@ihlpe.att.com