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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Doug vs. Marty: the Movie
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:46:43 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

Where *ARE* the Shaw Brothers when you need 'em?????

Hey...they could make this into a *musical*. I can hear the theme
song now (maybe a duet):

	"Knock three times..on the ceiling if you wa-ant me..."

Now *who* was complaining that we'd gotten all tolerant, mushy, and
excessively polite ;-)

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:49:31 GMT

In article <43396@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>I have mention Cai Hong Xiang before on the bb (he holds a title for 5-time
>national championship, full-contact on the mainland).  Xie Bing Can (not a
>name anyone has heard of) is yet another.  Fu Zhong Wen (quite famous) is
>another, Wang Su Ping (also famous)... the list goes on.  Plus! There is
>another phenomenon in China: take for example the story of Wang Su Ping, who
>is famous for having taken challenges of all kinds for years, winning against
>this humungous Russian fighter at one point, etc., only to be humbled
>completely by some unknown from the countryside who managed to seriously
>bruise his chest with what appeared to be a slight touch.  Bruce Lee doesn't
>even figure alongside these people.

	...and you left out lo-pan (also somewhat famous) who could kill people
with a single stare...

-m.a.
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taekwondo
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:12:17 GMT
	<1992Apr7.192631.25860@hemlock.cray.com>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: radner@cray.com's message of 8 Apr 92 00:26:30 GMT


In article <1992Apr7.192631.25860@hemlock.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:

  >In article <MARY.92Apr6093724@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
  >>
  >>I agree re: TKD Times, but I read the first issue of Inside Taekwondo and
  >>thought it was solid Cheez Whiz (Velveeta?).  Jumping turning side kick
  >>to the head as a counter to a reverse punch, INDEED!  
  >
  >   .... too simple for ya, right, Mary?
  >
  >-Lauren

Exactly!  What's wrong with a 360 roundhouse followed by a jumping axe kick?

Heh heh heh.  Actually, as I recall, this was just about the simplest of
the five different counters that they showed.  Cheez Whiz.  MICROWAVED 
Cheez Whiz.  

Live from Seattle via Cambridge (ain't technology wonderful?), it's
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From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Request:  Strange MA styles
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:41:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.093330.1@gallua>, CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC) writes:
>
>Last year, a friend of mine let me borrow two books.  If I recall correctly,
>one was called "Asian Fighting Arts", and the other was "The Way of the 
>Warrior".  Since I was skimming through both, simultaneously, I've gotten the 
>details a bit jumbled, but one of them convered Indian (as in from India, not 
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

<ahem>...he says with a happy smile on his face...

-m.a.
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:15:08 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil's message of 7 Apr 92 16:51:26 GMT


In article <1992Apr7.165126.890@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:

[snip]

   OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
   it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
   such a vehicle might have.

[snip]

I have a pretty good MA vehicle...a 1985 Toyota Tercel hatchback.  
Runs great, is fast and agile enough for Boston driving, has low 
mileage, has a large (but entirely cosmetic) dent in one side, 
carries about 1 inch of road-dirt, and is totally unobtrusive.  
I've had this car in Boston for 4 years now and it has never 
been vandalized, broken into, or been into an accident.  So 
I think this is the ultimate MA vehicle.  Admittedly it wouldn't
do so good if it went toe-to-toe with a stripper or another 
vehicle...but hey, avoiding trouble is what MA is all about, right?  ;-)
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From: lampij@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:09:12 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <wdsOkXS00iU44GIZw5@andrew.cmu.edu>, sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
> lampij@brandonu.ca writes:
>>         Those black belts who train
>>         regularly are easily seen by the degree of wear of their belts.
> 
> 	Yeah, everyone says this, so the obvious course of action is
> to take your fresh new black belt and run the orbital sander on it.
> 	I saw a 14-15 year old kid who's black belt was uniformly worn
> down to the white. The pattern of wear that I've seen on old black
> belts is that the area around the obi is worn out a LOT and the rest
> of the belt is usually much less worn - more so on the edges than in
> the center.
> 	What next? Will people put fake bullet-holes in their black
> belts???!!!
> 	Why not just buy stone-washed, acid-streaked, bullet-holed
> black belts outright?
> 	Hmmm...a new item for the Summer '92 Meikdo catalog.
> 
> Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
> stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]


I suppose it is quite difficult to prevent those who don't understand from
openly announcing it by sanding down their belts...

douglas lampi

lampij@brandonu.ca
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Summary: Or is it Paul Simon's next album?
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:39:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22570
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

>a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama

Thanks!  I've always wondered how the chorus to "The Lion Sleeps 
Tonight" really went.

--Joe, who likes tai chi 'cuz you don't have to change clothes
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Big deal!
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:23:08 GMT


Hi, I decided that instead of getting into a sparring match on this bboard*
today, I would just share my most recent understanding from sparring with my
buddy Marty.  For those of you who don't remember (and are interested) Marty
has long experience (11 years) of full-contact, Chinese kempo experience.  He
describes himself as a brawler, and he certainly is a good one.  Anyway, his
style (as described by him) is "hit and git."  He has about 3 techniques that
he uses very well: 1) a lightning backfist, 2) a reverse punch (left hand up
in a fake/guard, and 3) his abominal abdominal side thrust kick.  Anyway,
although I have been able to prevent him from hitting me, I have been very
dissatisfied with how difficult it is to apply attacks that I know,
particularly when he is typically running (stepping quickly) away after coming
in.  I like not getting hit, but I would prefer to also make good strikes as
well.  

So here's the poop.  I know, everyone is going to be saying "so what" to what
I'm sharing, but for me it was an advance--I may just be slow after all.  What
I have found is that if I simply speed everything up, really fast, I can get
inside much better.  Sound obvious?  Well, it is sort of.  You see, in the
past I have either been following him, or retreating.  I don't like retreat
much just because I enjoy the repartee of battle.  But, most of the techniques
I know require twisting or circling, and this discovery is really only what my
teacher has been showing me for some time.  I just never cognized how fast the
execution would have to be.  

For example: Marty has a particularly acute sense of distance, esp. with
regards to his backfist.  Often when I think he is out of range, he is able to
score a strike with a tremendous lunge forward.  It is a rather intimidating
experience.  Anyway, just this past Saturday,  I discovered that if I just
kind of stayed put (as opposed to moving either forward or back) and rotated
rapidly counter-clockwise (Marty leads with his left side), swinging my right
leg into his approach leg and using my outer forearm--I could penetrate his
straight-line movement from the left, leaving me very close to him and in
range for the strike with either my elbow or backfist.

I know, it is elementary, but I just thought I'd throw out an experience for
you all to leap upon (and please don't leap upon the preposition at the end of
my sentence).

A side note: I find it amusing that for years various teachers have told me to
keep my back straight up and down when performing, but I only learned it from
Marty after my head got hit a few times.  Pain is such an effective learning
mechanism. 











*I said that just to annoy whomever it was pestering me about how this is a
 "newsgroup" --to be spoken with one's nose in the air...
From: yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: If these postings are a representative sample of the arts...
Summary: ???
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:20:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.033527.19885@csl.sri.com>, boucher@neon.csl.sri.com (Peter K. Boucher) writes:
> >>> 
> >>>    You know, for a while there, I was seriously considering studying  
> >>>    martial arts. 
> >>>    Then I started reading this newsgroup.
> >>> 
> >> you're right, of course.  i hope you get a chance to read alt.sex
> >> before you reach puberty.
> >> 
> >> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;->
> >> 
> >> --
> >> jonathan byrd
> >
> >
> >you sure say alot about the attitudes and integrity of us practitioners.   
> >thanks
> >-gumby
> 
> Clearly, these postings are not a representative sample of the arts.
> 
> This, however
> is not an intelligent reason to stop considering studying martial
> arts.
> Pete    (boucher@neon.csl.sri.com)

Why should anyone predicate their desision of studying the martial arts on
anyone elses comments without checking it out first hand? 


-- 
Alan LaPenn      att!mvuxd!yy          .signature not found!
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:40:54 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <EduXAFm00awNAB8m1Q@andrew.cmu.edu>, ah2p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Albert Y. Hong) writes:
> 	What should I do if there is a person who boasts about their Marital
> Art skills and threatens to kill other people. 

	Use lawyer-fu, and report him to your local law enforcement for
assault...  Lawyers are much more efficient weapons than fists :-)

	Your mileage may vary.

-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

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From: flaming@ncc1701 (flaming)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kenpo Info
Keywords: Nothing of Interest
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:06:01 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

A few years ago, I studied in two forms of M.A:  Shorin Ryu and  
Kosho-Shorei Kenpo.  I moved from the area and was forced to abandon my  
studies.  Now I am an college, and I would like to continue.  I know that  
Shorin Ryu is a form of karate, but I am looking for info on Kenpo.  Is it  
a common style?  Are there schools in the U.S. that teach it?  What are  
its origins?  I looked in the FAQ, but couldn't find it....
Thanks
Jay
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions. Please read.
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:44:24 GMT

In article <22592@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:
> So what about those situations when you have to fight while not
> at your best?  

	My usual condition - I'm almost never at my best :-)

> Some scenarios:
> 
> * You've got the bug that's been going around and are feeling 
>   kinda puny.

	Just because of this sort of thing, as I age and work at a desk, I 
find myself relying more and more on so-called soft aspects of my particular 
kung-fu style.  The less strength a technique requires, the better when you 
are sick.  Simpler techniques also tend to work better - the less a 
technique relies on subtle balance and rythm, the more it is likely to work 
when you are under the weather (or pumped up from the stress of an unexpected 
encounter - let's face it, we don't always manage to walk around in Condition 
Yellow, even though we would like to - sometimes the mind wanders...)

> * Coming out of a restaurant, you're stuffed and maybe just a
>   little unsteady.  Hello, Mr. Mugger...

	Don't drink :-)

	Or practice while drunk, and see what you can still do while under
the influence :-)  Probably not really a good idea, unless you practice with
a very good partner, or have a lot of insurance :-)  

	Subtle techniques are likely to fail while drunk...

> * You're hurt -- in a cast, nursing a sprain, whatever -- and
>   have to pick techniques that favor the injured part.

	Visualization - before walking around in your debilitated condition,
think through what you can still do, and practice a bit.  At least then you 
won't be as surprised if something unexpected occurs, as you will have expected
it :-)

> * The bad guy's first lucky shot sends your glasses flying and
>   the world goes Impressionist on you.

	Practice w/o your glasses.  Practice blindfolded.  Practice with
distracting noise and sights.

> * It's raining and you're standing on a steep sidewalk. 

	Keep your techniques simple, and stable.  

	One thing I have found helpful in the past is to practice on a boat - 
the rocking deck really makes you learn the value of simple, stable footwork.

-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 13:11:53 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How to choose a Martial Art discipline?
	<1992Apr5.040743.23510@cs.brown.edu>

tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>    A katana or tachi can slash the wrist of a fencer in a sweeping
>    motion before the tip of a long sword would be able to reach the 
>    kenjutsuka's body.
> 

	You know, from what I understand, the Japanese sword developed
from a straight-ish sword, towards a curved, heavily cutting oriented
sword during the period when Samurai were more likely to die in duels
than on the battlefield.
	I also understand that during the period when there was lots
of open warfare, the spear was the premier weapon and swords were more
thrusting oriented. Of course, Japanese sword tech. may not have been
as advanced at the time.
	I could be very wrong (which is highly likely).

	Not sure that this is of any significance. Just thought I'd
throw out some random data.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: JAT (response)
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:01:14 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

>Hmm.  Aren't you the person who told a story about beginners with
>6-months experience beating up experienced Thai fighters?

If my own teacher, whose skill is quite verifiable, hadn't told me about the
Thai boxers, I would not have believed it.  Remember when I said *8 months*
maximum training, I was talking about 8 hour days with an instructor who
was phenomenal.  My own instructor characterizes Cai Hong Xiang's as being an
order of magnitude beyond his own.  If this is so, the story is quite
believable.  I have seen some excellent performers, street fighters, teachers
with battlefield combat experience, etc. etc., none so far to campare with Lu
Ping Zhang.  If Cai Hong Xiang is much better, then the story is quite
believable.  

>C'mon.  How many of these ridiculous stories do you really believe?
>Next thing you know, we'll hear about the heart-pull.

If you want to challenge my teacher and find out my frame of reference, I will
provide you with a telephone number and address through email.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on...
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:34:15 GMT

>>In article <1992Apr10.110614.765@gacvx2.gac.edu>, karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick) writes:
>>> I'm not trying to hardtime you or anything, this is just curiosity.
>>> Which martial artists do you consider to be exemplary fighters?

What about Frank Dux? I admit, the only source of my informations about
him is the movie "Bloodsport". At the end of the movie they said
that he was the undefeated "Kumite" (sp?) champion and that he holds
several world-records for fastest knock-out, round-kick, ...

He has founded his own system dux-ninjitsu (or something I don't remember).

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
CBR600F2 (street) - NS400R (track)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: beawoulf@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Yilmaz W. Rona)
Subject: Re: White: Color of Gis, Color of Mourning - ?
Reply-To: beawoulf@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:30:51 GMT

William K Glunt writes
> In article <1992Apr3.234224.2815@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rtravsky@isis.cs.du.edu  
(Rich Travsky) writes:
> >(The following may be more specific to Okinawan/Japanese styles than
> >say Korean or Chinese styles...)
> >
> >Whilst out jogging the other day,  the following association came to
> >me:  To wit, most gis tend to be white (or at least started off that
> >color, today one is apt to see just about anything); white is also
> >the color of mourning in the East (or so I've read and seen in photos).
> >
> >Anyone have any insights on this? 
> >
> 
> 
>   The kind of gi first used for karate practice in Okinawa were sort
> off beige.  

I saw an add for Kentucky Fried Chicken that showed the Lake Edna Karate Club  
"practicing" and then eating Fried Chicken. The Gi/Doboks ranged from white to  
black, but my favorite ones were the ones worn by the mature women in the club  
wich appeared to be constructed out of curtain material. They had this plad  
design of a pasty brown on a white background. . .

Now thats what *I* want for my birthday.

By the way, can anyone tell me about MA in various branches of the millitary?

Email or Post.

					Yilmaz Rona

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It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!

------------------------------------------------------------

There was an old owl liv'd in an oak
The more he heard, the less he spoke;
The less he spoke, the more he heard
O, if men were all like that wise bird!
From: balrog@lclark.edu (Richard Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ninjitsu
Summary: uh,
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:53:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Apr12.205315.27633
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

dear Chris, though much of your information has a basis in fact, my
Sensei in Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu gave me a slightly different account.  
The Buddhist mountain ascetics did take some measures of Shao Lin Ssu
to modify their already existing combat system that they used to avoid
persecution from the Samurai sent by the Shintoist Daimyo of the time. 
However, they also used many techniques taken from Korean pirates and
locally innovated weapon systems such as the Togakure tiger claws, and
the Iga Kasuri-kama. The reason they were seen as mercinaries was that 
the many clans were all to willing to accept contracts to use their 
survival skills to diminish the powers od the Daimyos who were per-
secuting them.  Their primary interest was always in enlightenment
through Shugendo Buddhism and defense of the clan.You were right in 
the modern origin of the term Ninjutsu.  Originaly known as Shinobi 
(stealers in) they came to be known as Ninja (one who perserveres or
endures) due their inhuman seeming attributes.

--------
Reader note: this text was entered by a friend who has studied
the subject for a number of years and who does not usually use
the net, hence the direct address to Chris via posting. The article
should be of general interest though, enjoy! 

Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

---------
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:10:59 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

In article <1992Apr8.162452.25948@colorado.edu> ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) writes:
>In article <52766@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>>
>>     4) If you should be so unlucky as to take a shot to the groin
>>during sparring yourself, I highly suggest retiring to the locker
>>room ASAP and removing your cup; I found it to be a great relief.
>>
>	It also helps a lot to jump up and down a few times on your heels.
>It sounds crazy, but it really works. Also I find it's actually a bad idea
>to hunch over; the pain goes away quicker if you stand up straight. 

     I already knew about standing up straight, and did so as soon as
I was able. I was also advised to do the jumping on my heels bit,
but it didn't seems to help (although I think it would help if the kick
had actually displaced a testicle up into the whatchmacallit canal.)

     I check a sports medicine book I have, and it gives two procedures:

1) lie on you back and alternately pull your knees up to your chest;
2) sit on the ground with your legs extended, have someone lift you
about one or two inches by the shoulders and drop you (same idea as
the jumping on heels, I guess.)

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@flubber.cs.umd.edu| "Born to die" | Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
          This is a .signature antibody. Vaccinate your .sig!
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     existence of a "hottest part" implies a temperature difference, and any
     marginally competent physicist would immediately use this to run a heat
     engine and make some other part of hell comfortably cool.  This is
     obviously impossible."
     -- Richard Davisson
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Funakoshi
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:30:38 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <willimsa.703029533@unix1.tcd.ie> willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:
>
>My understanding was that at least a good part of the reason was rooted in
>Funakoshi himself, and the move from pure karate-jutsu to karate-do.  He
>wanted to convey a message in the name, empty, hollow, etc.
>     

 Indeed. It's also worth mentioning that the emptyness, and hollowness
mentioned generally symbolize selflessness.

Osu!

Bud

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