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From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:51:58 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Jul30.141844.13730@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Ann Helmers) writes:
>In article <l7frgnINNonr@earth.cs.utexas.edu>, adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar) writes:
>
> I have this
>> theory that women with relatively low weight at the beginning of their
>> pregnancy have a harder time getting back to prepregnancy weight. Can
>> anyone support or refute this?
>
>I don't know about this theory.  My normal prepregnancy
>weight is 116 lbs (I'm 5'6").  I gained the same amount of weight each
>pregnancy, 20 pounds, delivered big babies (8.5 and 10 lbs) and was back at PP
>weight within a week or so.  I then went down another 10 pounds, and although
>I'm still nursing my daughter I suspect I will again go back up to my normal
>weight after she weans.  Anyway, the smartest thing I did was have a skinny
>mother!  

Well, this theory holds for me--my normal size is about 118 lbs (5'5"), and
it takes me a year or a year and a half to get back to my prepregnancy
weight.  I am a big weight-gainer when pregnant, though--45 lbs. the first
time and over 50 the second.  My daughter is now 6.5 months old and I still 
have 10 lbs. to go.  With two kids, I don't have a lot of time to exercise 
any more, so that may have something to do with it.

I also did not lose weight when nursing.  I dropped a few pounds immediately
in the week or two after my daughter was born, and then plateaued for 
the rest of the two months I nursed her.  It was only after weaning her
that I started to lose weight (VERY gradually) again.

I was also going to say before I saw Ann's post that I knew of an exception 
to the theory--I saw a picture of Ann H. taken when Caroline was just a 
tiny baby and she (Ann) looked fantastic (so did the baby, BTW).  It was 
disgusting! ;^) ;^) I guess Caroline did a pretty smart thing having a 
skinny mother too!

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pardon me, but Doug are you there?
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:12:37 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

Excuse this interruption, please. 

Doug,

I'm getting your mail and responding.  You do not seem to be getting 
mine.  Send me some alternate addresses or something.

Connie
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:43:04 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Jul22.153950.28777@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:
> Ephesians 6:1 "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
> Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a 
> promise - that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy a long life
> on the earth."
> 

It's been a long time since I read any "Bible", but if memory serves me
correctly this verse is followed by an admonition for parents not to 
provoke their children to wrath.  I wonder why you chose to not include
that verse.  It most definitely pertains to subject at hand and, in my
opinion, is far the best parenting advice to be found in the Bible.

I've always wondered why a great deal of Christians who are so fond 
of quoting "Honor your father and mother" and "spare the rod, spoil
the child" almost never quote "provoke not your children to wrath."

Selective memory, I guess.

Connie
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having children close together-happy stories wanted
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:36:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <TIGGER.92Jul21125751@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>
>It seems to me that there are factors that are harder to quantify that
>are even more important than spacing. (I was 3 years from my brother,
>supposedly recommended spacing according to some, and we *hated* each
>other). I think more important is the enviroment, the parenting, how
>the parents handle the adjustments and help the older one adjust. I
>strongly recommend reading _Siblings Without Rivalry_ by Faber and
>Mazlish *before* the baby is born.
>
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Grace.

I have a friend who has a sister fairly near herself in age. (2 years'
spacing, I believe?)  The two girls were treated as a unit, in much
the same way people treat twins.  They shared a room, which wouldn't
have been such a big deal, except that they were often given gifts 
that they had to share, too.  Or even when they weren't given gifts
they had to share, they would be given 2 copies of the same gift, in
different colors.

They could never really get away from one another.  They weren't 
really even recognized as individuals as children.  Their own mother
doesn't even know them: she keeps telling Jean that she loves children.

Jean *hates* kids!

(She isn't too crazy about her sister, either!)

I believe that the key is recognizing children's uniqueness, and
not forcing them to give up themselves just because another child
is in the picture.  Had the girls gotten gifts that were tailored
to themselves, and not forced to share some sort of generic gift,
I honestly don't think it would matter how expensive the gift was.
I think they would have appreciated it, simply because they were
*recognized*.  They might even like each other nowadays.

One of the things that really impressed me about my mother-in-law
was the Christmas gift of tea.  It wasn't a very expensive gift,
but the teas were delicious, and it showed that she had been
listening to me, which was more important to me than any expensive
doodad she could have purchased.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smc@sequent.com (Susan M. Carr)
Subject: bad breath/ 2yo
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:00:04 GMT
From: llf@alice.att.com (alice!llf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Response to Deluge About Hillary Clinton
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:20:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23299
Reply-To: llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf)
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey State Home for Bewildered Kittens

In article <LOWRY.92Jul23102247@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>
>The point is that there are parents who don't give a damn!  There are
>parents who resent their children terribly and see them as the reason
>for their own problems (financial drain; can't work because of need to
> ....  Believe me, there are parents who view
>their kids as the bane of their existence.  How do you "effectively

Okay.  How about the parents who do care?  What happens to them?  I've known
teenagers who were competent to, and might have taken, that legal recourse
because they thought their parents were permanently ruining their lives.
You know what kinds of issues they would have cited?  Parental refusal to
sign and pay for facial cosmetic surgery, refusal to allow dating, automobiles,
unreasonable curfews, food preferences.  To use an example someone else brought
up - can a child force their parents to pay for heart surgery for a condition
that is not immediately life threatening?  Or even if it is immediately
life threatening?  What if the medical treatment will only prolong life
(possibly for a few years/decades), not ensure a cure?  What if paying for
that medical treatment means that they can't put food on the table for the
other children?  What if it means they cannot support the other children
and must give them up to the welfare system or face charges of neglect?
What if the other children will have no funds for college?  Can the other
children counter sue?  At what point and to what extent do the parents
have rights and legal recourse?  Can they counter sue?

In every state in the USA, there are legal provisions for dealing with
serious abuse and neglect.  Those laws and proceedures currently don't work.
Both sides of the argument agree about that.  The current system needs to be
fixed so that it is effective, and even then, mistakes will happen, in both
directions.  There are also services for counseling and mediation between
family members.  I won't say the proposal has no merit.  I will say I just
don't see it without more details.  To me, the additional proposal does
nothing to fix the current system, introduces additional complexity and
problems, and does not clearly solve any unaddressed problem.

In the current legal and administrative climate, this proposal is likely to
become badly abused and a tool for further child abuse prevention hysteria.

How many people can be sacrificed to improve the welfare of one child/person?
At what point is the cost socially unacceptable?

Lynda
-- 
					Member HASA, Atheist-Scum Division
"The One Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse" - Terry Pratchet
From: nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things we swore we'd never do!
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:06:30 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <9207310124.AA06903@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>	This morning, I was horrified to find myself doing one of
>those things always hated as a child and swore I wouldn't do to my
>_own_ child.  What was it you ask?  Well please don't judge me too
>harshlly but....

Oh yeah!  I was just thinking about all of them this morning, in fact.

1.  Answer repeated questioning with "because I said so, that's why!"
2.  Bribe my child (with M&Ms to get her to use the toilet, in this
    case, and it works, wonderfully!)
3.  Forget that she's just a little kid.
4.  Criticize her choice of clothing.
5.  Geeze, this is starting to get uncomfortable.  I'm going to log
off and try to think about all the things I swore I wouldn't do and
*don't * do.
-nvv
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: ready to try for 2nd
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:14:28 GMT
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego

I remember there has been postings about how to conceive boy/girl
base on ovulation date.  Can anyone refresh me on that?  Has anyone
try this method?  I am curious on the success rate.

Also what is the best way to predict ovulation date?  I've heard
of charting temperature in the morning but I don't know the details.
I bought a digital thermomether, is that accurate enough or do I have
to get a basil(sp?) thermomether?

Well, as you can see, Christine has been such a wonderful baby
we are ready to try for our next!

Please e-mail responses.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 7 mo
wang@optigfx.com
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hitting/Potty Training (3 yr)
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:45:25 GMT
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

jeana@sco.COM (Jean Antisdel) writes:

$ [...]
$ 2) potty training.  I've read the faq already... perhaps I just need
$ to be patient?  I think he is ready for potty training but he has
$ no interest in sitting on his potty chair.  He says "no, i'm not big
$ enough yet".  He knows when he is going.  Sometimes he'll tell me in
$ advance when he is going to go.  He doesn't like to run around naked
$ or in just a diaper.  We've read lots of potty type books like Mr Rogers
$ talks about potty training, once upon a potty, etc and he enjoys the
$ book... but still no interest.  Any suggestions on how to motivate him?

Your son has accomplished the first of two major steps of toilet
training, the awareness.  His control is now probably adequate for the
other major step, habit.  The habit comes from willingness.  You may
have some success by showing him the rewards of using the toilet or
potty.  (By the way, he may find the toilet more interesting than the
potty.  My daughter is.  She never used the potty.)  One of the most
real (i.e. not parent-fabricated) rewards is that he can do something
just as his parents do.

My daughter Madeleine has been peeing in the toilet for a long time now
but she is still completely against pooping anywhere other than a
diaper.  She is over three and a half years old now.  This is not a
tip, merely commiseration.  Console yourself in knowing that he will
not go to college with this practice.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:46:07 GMT

alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:

>In article <153slqINNj44@early-bird.think.com> soberg@think.com (Stephanie Oberg) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul28.141259.28406@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>->
>->Actually, urine is sterile.  One tip I got for treating emergency cuts
>->during camping trips in the wild is to clean them with urine.  
>-
>-     I've heard the claim of sterile urine before and don't see how this 
>-     could be true.  A person with a urinary tract infection by definition
>-     does not have sterile urine.  Schistosomiasis (a parasite) can be
>-     transmitted through urine.  Perhaps the urine of a completely healthy
>-     person (with no asymptomatic infection) is sterile in the bladder -
>-     but how can it avoid being contaminated as it exits the bladder? 

>The statement should be qualified -- urine from a normally healthy individual
>is sterile.  A person with a urinary tract, bladder, or kidney infection is
>not, be definition, healthy.  Ditto for carrying Schistosomiasis.

>The common test for a bladder infection is to look at a urine sample under a
>microscope.  If there are things wiggling around, you have an infection.

>--
>    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
>    Tektronix, Inc.
>    D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
>    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie

Well, true to a point.  That's a very simple test, and is often used if
they want a five-minute yes/no answer.  The most common method of checking
for bladder infection is to collect a specimen, then put a measured amount
of urine on two agar plates, one made with sheep's blood, and another with
a nutrient set developed by a man named McKonkey.  The plates are put in 
a warm, moist cabinet and checked at 24 hours, and again at 48.  More than
a certain number of colonies on either plate indicates unrinary tract
infection.  The microscopic is often insufficient to detect borderline
cases (those buggers are damn small and their easy to miss if there's not
a whole lot of them :)

Steve Kellmeyer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Getting hair cut
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:00:19 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <1992Jul23.192033.10199@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dma9w@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan) writes:
 
|> What do you all think ?  Should a 4 year old make a decision regarding
|> hair length ?

I would let her.  It's her hair, and it's not the type of decision
that has long-lasting effects.  I think it's a good idea to let
children "practice" making their own decisions like that.  Now
obviously if it's something that gives you anxiety attacks just to
think about it, then maybe not, but I consider hair-length to be a
decision on par with what color shirt to wear.  Children like to
feel like they have some control over their lives. 

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
     "Faith:  not *wanting* to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 29 Jul 1992 09:48:18 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>In article <9207281916.AA27027@panhed.psc.edu>, grant@panhed.psc.edu
(Shirl >Grant) writes:
>> ....
>> By far, stress and paranoia, IMNSHO, is much worse than viruses.  And
>> the only way to keep children from catching things is by isolating all
>> people that come in contact, either directly or remotely, in a sterile
>> environment (I think I saw this in a movie once ;-) - and therefore
>> dying of starvation because germs also can be spread on food packaging.

>This is not true.  My son was sick constantly while he was in daycare
>for seven months starting at age 2 months.  I'd go in and see all these
>little kids with snotty noses drooling all over everything and putting
>the toys in their mouths and I would just cringe.  The daycare washed
>the toys in a bleach solution at the end of every day and was very
>conscientious about washing their hands before feeding and after every
>diaper change.  However, this didn't help my son.

>I took my son out of the daycare and kept him at home at 9 months, and
>he hasn't had an ear infection since (he's now 3).  He's gotten sick a
>few times, but in daycare he was catching something every two weeks.

My son has been in an in-home day care since age 7 weeks.  Until he was
1, he had double, back-to-back ear infections and colds.  That ended. 
He hasn't had an ear infection in over a year now (knocking on wood),
and has only had a couple of colds.  He didn't even catch the flu bug
once when everyone else had it.  They say the immune system isn't fully
developed until 12 months....  only a guess.


-Shirl
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re:Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 28 Jul 1992 20:26:18 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <9207281916.AA27027@panhed.psc.edu>, grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
|> ....
|> By far, stress and paranoia, IMNSHO, is much worse than viruses.  And
|> the only way to keep children from catching things is by isolating all
|> people that come in contact, either directly or remotely, in a sterile
|> environment (I think I saw this in a movie once ;-) - and therefore
|> dying of starvation because germs also can be spread on food packaging.

It's still worth a try. My body can handle a certain amount of microbiological 
challenge; over that amount, and I'm more likely to get sick. So wherever 
a reasonable amount of effort reduces my exposure, it can help. I was amazed 
at what a difference it made when I just started washing my hands more, and 
getting flu shots. 

They say that cold viruses are spread by hand-to-hand contact. Doorknobs must 
be terrible reservoirs of such viruses, if the viruses can survive a few 
minutes there.

I used to think about how useless it was to wash your hands in the public 
bathroom, only to leave the bathroom by touching the same handle used by 
all the people who don't wash their hands. Now I'm getting ridiculous: before 
my son is brought to my office at lunchtime for me to feed him, when I wash 
my hands in the bathroom, I use the paper towel I dry my hands off with to 
turn off the water faucet and to open the door. 

I *know* this is ridiculous, but it's easy, and it reduces the chance I'll 
carry some unfortunate infection to him. Besides, it's a mother's job to 
be foolishly paranoid :-). I no longer find silly the restrictions my 
parents placed on things like sharing drinking glasses when I was a child.

Having a baby seems to be freeing me up to do things I would have felt too 
silly to do before--anybody else notice that? When I went to the bookstore 
the other night, carrying little Will in his Sara's Ride, he began to fuss, 
and I found I could calm him by swaying back and forth and jiggling around 
like an idiot. No embarrassment there--there was my excuse, riding on my 
hip. It worked, too--he slept happily the rest of the time I was there.

I'm very happy that Will hasn't gotten sick yet--I thought he would by
now. Of course, he's only three months old.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cro@socrates.ed.asu.edu (C. R. Oldham)
Subject: Re: YMMV?
Organization: North Central Association, Commission on Schools
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:33:12 GMT

L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD) writes:

>Okay, okay...I have to ask!  I've seen YMMV referenced several times recently
>and don't have the foggiest idea what it stands for.  I can usually figure
>these things out!  HELP!

<Y>our <M>ileage <M>ay <V>ary.

Charles R. (C. R.) Oldham | North Central Association, Commission on Schools
cro@socrates.ed.asu.edu or| Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287-3011
aocro@acvax.inre.asu.edu  | 602/965-8700:800/525-9517 | #include <disclaimer.h>
"For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods..." Psalm 95:3
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:14:09 EDT
From: <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: startled 9yo!
Distribution: usa

[Story of 9-yr old girl who was shocked that she had to "pee in a cup" when a
 doctor needed to perform a urinalysis]

My daughter had to do this at her THREE-YEAR OLD well-child check-up.  She
absolutely refused (although she was very cooperative throughout the rest of
the exam).  I had to collect her morning urine at home & take it in for
analysis.  Believe me, holding a specimen cup under a wriggling 3-yr old on a
potty seat is not easy :-).

Carol Fischer
From: pauling@seismo.CSS.GOV (Terry Pauling)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sick Baby
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:11:55 GMT


I've never posted anything before so forgive me for any
mistakes...

My daughter, Breanna(17 weeks), had bronchitis, she just got
over it about 3 weeks ago but now she's sick again!  I'm quite
sure she's getting these colds from the babysitters(other kids
around) and we did change to a new sitter this week with no other
kids.  I know she's still gonna get sick but it just kills me
to see her suffer.  Does anyone out there have any advice for
a NEW Mom trying to console a SICK baby?         

What can I do to make her feel better or get better faster?
She is taking amoxicillan(prescribed by the doctor), we keep
the humidifier running day and night, I also sing to her, hold
and rock her alot.  

Actually, I thing I may be in worse spirits than she is.

-----
Terry

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