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From: jbelury@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Belury)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: help for a new SKS'er
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:15:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


I just bought an SKS at aa guns show.  I wanted one of the older, unissued,
"mil-spec" guns, with milled trigger group, and screwed in barrel.  
But I really didn't know exactly how to tell what I was getting -- so
someone out there please help me.
 This SKS is full length with a slightly dinged wooden stock. It was *not*
packed in cosmoline, although the stock and metal did have a greasy feel.
It came in a plain cardboard box, no styrofoam.  Included were cleaning
kit, spike bayonet, sling, and oil bottle.
 On the left side of the receiver, there's an intricate triangular
symbol, and three Chinese characters.  There's a serial number, too,
15085xx, the last 5 digits of which are also on top of the bolt.
 There are also some more markings that were
apparently applied recently, in handwriting, etched through the black
finish.  On the left side it says "SKS 7.62x39mm" and on the right side
it says "MADE IN CHINA BY NORINCO" and then an illegible word folllowed by
"L.A. CA.".  Again, these latter markings are etched or scratched through
the finish, in not so neat handwriting, fortunately the letters are only
about 1/8" high.  
 Unlike other SKS's I looked at, this one had a milled, rather than stamped,
trigger guard, and I hope the internals will follow suit.  Can anyone tell
me if I have what I was looking for?
 The manual that came with the gun is very brief.  Is there a text file
out there with complete disassembly/cleaning/assembly instructions?
I'm afraid to take it apart without appropriate references.  Any good
books out there?  Actually, any information y'all can give me on my
rifle, or SKS's in general will be appreciated.  Is there an archive
somewhere?

And I really need to know what I should do with this gun before 
I fire it.  Safety precautions and such.  My only experience is
with my Ruger 10/22.

Thanks for all help,
Dan

if you need to send email, please send to
dans@tenet.edu, instead of the above address
which belongs to a friend.
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home....
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:12:39 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <199212102240.AA19977@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rob@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rob Cuthbertson) writes:
#I would hardly call this [Simplex] a secure lock.  ...

Simplex locks can be manipulated open much faster than by going through
all possible combinations.  I won't describe the procedure here, but it
has been published in locksmith trade journals.

In general, all forms of "security through obscurity" are unsafe.
The best policy seems to be to educate the child properly and also
take reasonable, but not extreme, safety precautions such as not
keeping a round in battery.  Before showing the effect of a bullet
on a melon, it might be advisable to have the child paint a face
on the melon and to give it a name, let him lug the melon to the
range, etc.  That way he'll have developed some degree of personal
attachment to the melon and the demonstration will have shock
value rather than being viewed as just good fun.
From: davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com (David Post)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Seecamps
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:15:26 GMT

I saw a Seecamp in .32 ACP this weekend.

Are these as good as they look?  Do they offer more useful chamberings?

The one I saw was a well finished stainless, no apparent safety and a
concealed hammer.  It was TINY.

David Post    davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
From: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Smith & Wesson Autos
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:21:02 GMT


##      Satisfactory accuracy. Not match grade, but still
##      quite good enough for the intended purposes.
#
# The SIG has superior accuracy, and, IMHO, superior fit and finish
# compared to the Smiths. I'd like to have a full-size Smith in 10mm, 
# but the grips are horrible (IMHO) and the thing just feels like
# it's cheaply made. I also can't stand those paper-thin barrels
# they use. But your mileage may vary, and obviously does.

In addition of their superior accuracy, fit and finish, the SIGs have
another advantage. While the triggers of the S&W PISTOLS is at best
mediocre, the ones of the SIG are really excellent. I would even say
that they are as good as the ones of many revolvers. That's very important
even in self defense.

Emmanuel Baechler.                        | Tel.: ++41-21-693-2732
Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle   | e-mail: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne  |     or: baechler@liasun6.epfl.ch
MA-Ecublens                               | Standard Disclaimer
CH-1015 Lausanne	Switzerland

Ban the bomb. Save the world for conventional warfare.
From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Stainless and WD40
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:12:26 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

After posting the results of my query on stainless steel care I got a
lot of email back talking about the use of WD-40.

Of the original replies to me, one said do not use chlorinated
solvents such as WD-40.

I have since received email with copies of a statement from a
consultant to the WD-40 people that states WD-40 does not contain
any chlorinated solvents, CFC's, etc.  and that it OK to use on
stainless steel.


I'm convinced, and will have no fear of using WD-40 on stainless.


I would caution everyone that the person that commented about the
WD-40 used the product name as an example of what not to use and that
chlorinated solvents are still a no-no.

So while WD-40 is Ok, do not run your stainless steel gun through the
CFC degreaser tank in the circuit board cleaning area at your
friendly electronics company.

The concern was that chlorinated solvents would cause the stainless
steel to become brittle.

Thanks to everyone that replied with comments and suggestions. I got
no flames and am very appreciative of the information I received.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                    Italian Wines are Fine                          +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:29 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <km-rfc_@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
#IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:

#RE: CCW.  I would not advise telling the cop about a CCW/Gun unless
#the gun is in view and/or the cop is going to search you.  There are
#plenty of cops out there who will harrass you and even take your gun,
#CCW or not.  

Very good point ... You don't know who you've got...

#For example, here in Cobb County, GA, it is the official
#policy of the Cobb county pigs, er, cops, to take all concealed firearms,
#regardless of a CCW.  

YIKES!  

#Illegal?  Sure but some citizen is going to have
#to file suit to stop it.  Cops don't have to obey the law unless 
#forced.  If your gun is an especially nice one, it might just disappear
#off into the void.

Often stories of disapearance into 'the void' are followed by tales of
woe where no recourse was found...

#During my only stop since getting a CCW, before I came to a halt,
#I simply put my pistol in a secret compartment behind the seat.
#Assuming you're not stupid enough to allow a cop to search your car
#without a warrant, the cop would have no legal way of finding the gun.

This leads to an idea:  Have a plastic tool box with an open lock
on it on the seat next to you.  Toss the gun in and lock the box
with one hand while slowing down.  You now have a gun in a 'locked
gun case'...  but that looks like a simple tool box...

Would it work?

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Transportation of Pistols
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:23:36 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Dec9.234919.21861@calspan.com> calspan!schabel@uu.psi.com (Dave Schabel) writes:
#Can anyone tell me if I can leagally bring any of my guns
#(pistols) with me to North Carolina?  I plan on visiting

  Yes.

#shortly after Christmas, as I have family and friends living
#in Charlotte.  My friend has recently joined a gun club, and
#asked if I could bring my Glock so he could try it out.
#
#I plan on flying, and I understand that the airline regulations
#require that you pack guns in an approved, locked container and

  Check with the airline.

#that you declare their contents.  I understand that it is legal
#for out-of-staters to posess a gun in N. Carolina (can anyone

  I talked to Lee Turner in the Attorney General's Office and
he says that you can posess and use a gun in NC as long as
you follow the same NC laws which residents must follow.  (In
brief remember that NC doesn't allow civilians to conceal
firearms, and that keeping a firearm in the passenger
compartment of an auto can be considered concealment unless
the firearm is in plain sight.  So best keep it in the trunk.)

#confirm this?  They _will_ rent you a gun to use on the range
#if you present an out-of-state driver's license.).
# ...

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Super Redhawk?
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:35:46 GMT
Organization: Morning Star Technologies

In article <199212142103.AA66340@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> ka02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kent P. Aitchison) writes:
#Hello, Net-Folks,
#
#    I'm just about ready to go and make my next pistol purchase.  This time
#I'm looking for an accurate big bore revolver.  Right now, the best solution
#seems to be a Super Redhawk 9.5" since I don't want to spend more than about
#$450 before the scope.  However, I would really like some input from you who
#know on this idea.
#    Specifically, I'd like to know what you think of the Super Redhawk
#overall.  Is it better/stronger/more accurate than the regular Redhawk? 

The Super has a much heavier frame and barrel.

#Why?
#What kind of work can I have done with this monster sometime when I have the
#cash?  Can I bore it out for larger calibers?

It's already a .44 Magnum.  How much bigger do you want? .50 BMG?
If you want something BIGGER than a .44 Magnum, get a .454 Casull.
I'd tell you that you could MagnaPort it, but I'm not sure you should
do this if you are mounting a scope.


#    I'd like to make the purchase before the silly season hits full speed,
#and, while I would like to hit the books on the subject, grad course book work
#takes precedence here.  Thanks for any input.
#
#Kent
#--
Caveat:  I already have the setup you are thinking about getting - 
a SR with scope.  I have a TC 3x9 scope on mine. The combined
weight is enough to make shooting the weapon somewhat difficult without
supporting it somehow.


#
#****************************************
#**     Kent P. Aitchison              **
#**       ka02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu       **
#**       Rauch Business Center 211    **
#**       #37 Lehigh University        **
#**       Bethlehem, PA  18015         **

Chris Miller 
chris@MorningStar.Com
From: jude@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Jude Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: request opinions on 9mm autos
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:15:11 GMT


I'm interested in purchasing a 9mm auto in the under $600 range.
Any comments on makes and models in this range would be appreciated.
I'm a novice shooter, but plan to start shooting regularly when I
purchase the gun.

Jude Poole
jpoole@ucsd.edu
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Slow Awakenings (was: A gun in the home.)
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:30:11 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:

##       [MODERATOR: [..] Maybe they're out there, but in the mean time,
##	  let me add
##        my own personal caution that you (the reader) think twice before
##        attaching any mechanical device to the trigger of a loaded firearm.]

#Or, more importantly, DETACHING one, especially half asleep in the dark!

	For the record, I suffer from a sleep disorder.  How many of you
are "night people?"  I am.  Honestly, even after two cups of coffee I am
not really awake until noon or so.  I am also known to carry on a
fairly coherent conversation while asleep and not remember a thing of
it, rarely remember what I've done in the morning, and have all the
symptoms of a coma while asleep.  What to do?

	First, I don't expect to be able to handle a firearm when
awakened at night.  I use a Gladius (Roman short sword) as my
primary defense weapon.  The guns take a lot more to get to, so I
figure I'll be somewhat awake if I can get to them in their hiding
place.  Second, all weapons are unloaded and loaded magazines are
in a separate place.  If I can remember where they are, I'm likely
awake.  Finally, I'm honestly afraid that I'll shoot my roomie in
some instance where I'm not awake and mentally functioning, so I
keep the Gladius by the bedside and hope nobody comes into my room.

	My question is this: what do the experts suggest for those
of us who don't trust themselves with a gun for self-defense?  I
know the sleep disorder can be taken care of, but for many it cannot
be certainly done, and at least one poster mentioned his wife had
vivid nightmares.  Another mentioned that adrenalin takes care of
this.  So, what does the net suggest?

	For the record, I consider myself to be pretty good at gun
safety.  I recognize my limitations and have attempted to work
around them, but I just don't truly trust myself. I consider this
a mark in my favor so far as safety is concerned, but naturally wish
to keep my potential for harming others to a minumum unless warranted.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >

[MODERATOR: You're *obviously* doing well on gun safety, since you've 
taken the step of doing an honest self-assessment of what is and is not
appropriate for you!    For what its worth, the counselor who certified
me for NRA basic firearms safety courses mentioned that we should make
a point of asking students whether they had any sleep disorders; if so,
and along the lines of what you describe Dan, then we should suggest to
not make the firearm so immediately available during sleep periods.  I
don't know that this is in the NRA syllabus, but I thought he made a good
point.]
From: pnelson@cobra.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: surplus catalog question
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:08:21 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)


In article <1992Dec10.014649.11435@ke4zv.uucp> emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
#In article <B6BDD36CFB9F602B20@VXC.UNCWIL.EDU> PATE@VXC.UNCWIL.EDU (BILL PATE, ADMIN. SERVICES, PATE@VXC.UNCWIL.EDU) writes:
##I know someone out there has an answer for this one. I used to have a 
##catalog of suplus industiral, government, and miliary items such as bomb 
##sights, aircraft motors and generators to make welders, and stuff like that.

I remember a place called United Surplus or something like that. I think it
was at the York, PA airport. I haven't been there in 10 or 15 years, though,
they may be gone too.



Phil Nelson . pnelson@tymix.tymnet.com . San Jose, CA, USA . 408-922-7508

	Poverty and disgrace come to him who ignores instruction,
           but he who heeds reproof is honored.            Proverbs 13:18
From: earlw@Apple.COM (Earl Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT backup .380
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:09 GMT
Organization: really?


In article <66dP02bT2fG501@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
  >...
  >The main attractive feature of the backup is it's REALLY small size. 
  >The firestar is BIGGER than the colt officers which is BIGGER than the 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I thought the Firestar .40S&W was smaller than the Colt Officers model! It
may be heavier :-), but I was sure it was smaller. 

  >Colt Mustang which is CONSIDERABLKY BIGGER than the Backup. Seriously 
  >folks, this is a TINY gun (hence the kick). If I wanted something bigger 
  >I would DEFINITELY go for a Colt Double Eagle Officers model in .45. As a 
  >matter of fact, I think I'll go for one anyway (money permitting.........)
  >...
From: grey@futon.SFSU.EDU (Herbert Leong)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: A gun in the home.... (trigger locks)
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:16:49 GMT

Article 25783 of rec.guns, upchrch!joel@beora.sdc.ccur.com (Joel Upchurch) writes:
#C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
#
## I would like to keep one gun by the bed at night, and lock it up during
## the day.  However, my wife won't have any of this.  I told her about
## the various safes and such, to no avail.  Can anyone suggest something?
#
#What about putting a trigger lock on the gun, putting it in the
#night stand and wearing the key around your neck? Let your wife try to
#get the trigger lock off and convince herself that there is no way a
#little girl is going to get the trigger lock off and fire the gun. If
#that doesn't work, then you are dealing with a case of hoplophobia, an
#irrational fear of firearms.
	[MODERATOR: Please pardon this time-out for a safety check ... you
	 should definitely consult the instructions which come with your lock
	 before attempting to attach it to a loaded firearm.  I know of no
	 trigger lock product which says anything other than "use on unloaded
	 firearm."  Maybe they're out there, but in the mean time, let me add
	 my own personal caution that you (the reader) think twice before
	 attaching any mechanical device to the trigger of a loaded firearm.]

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE MODERATOR!!!!!!!!!!  500%

JUST TO SEE IF I COULD MANAGE TO GET THE TRIGGER TO TRAVEL FAR BACK ENOUGH, I
TOOK AN _UNLOADED_ GUN, PUT A TRIGGER LOCK ON IT 
(MADE BY MASTER LOCK NOT LESS!!) AND "PLAYED WITH IT" 

                ----  T H E  T R I G G E R  -M-O-V-E-D- ----

                       ---- THE HAMMER -F-E-L-L- ------

THE LOCK WAS INSTALLED "PROPERLY" ON MY RIFLE AND I WAS STILL ABLE TO
GET THE GUN TO "FIRE".....

Anyway too much yelling...  I came to the conclusion that the trigger locks
were made like the little lock boxes--to deter rather than prevent.

besides, having a trigger lock is only having a 2nd safety--they still can 
fail (as with my experiment).  Too bad I made this little discovery after
I had bought about 10 f them..... sigh.

If you must have a gun around the house....  by all means keep it from your
children until they are old enought to understand.  Then it's your choice
as parents to decide if you want them to know about safe gun handeling.

in the meanwhile why not lock up all the ammo exept for a speed loader
or a mag then oly you have the ammo, have the speed loader (or mag) with you at 
all times (therfore not to be found by any little hands (or big hands for that
matter)  the gun is more or less harmless while in it's unloaded state 

(ofcouse you could allway brandish it and scare people into calling the cops who
may in turn shoot you... (reply to alt.null.whatever.null.you.get.the.point)
or you can throw it at somebody..... )

anyway back from that tangent....  you have ammo, therefor only you can shoot
gun unless sombody else has ammo (which you will do your best to make not true).

not the best idea but it does lean to the safer side....  if anyone finds 
holes with this idea please post....

/herb
From: edp@sunrock.East.Sun.COM (Ed Pendzik {Prof Services} Sun Rochester)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: jamming in SIG P220
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:50:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Rochester NY

omigod, a sig jammed?! how can that be? well, to minimize the blushing
on the net, it must have actually been a glock you had in your hand,
and the range put a sticker on it that said "SIG". ;-)

or that was the sig which they use to pound the lids onto paint cans. ;-)
That's it, and that colt actually was a springfield in disguise..

we now return you to your regularly scheduled sig owner back patting...

;-) ;-) ;-)

	Ed Pendzik
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Match, Wheel, Flint Locks
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:07:51 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In view of this discussion, has anyone seen or handled the Swiss
Hege-Siber pistols?  A few years ago, these were alleged to sell for
circa $600, and came in flintlock and percussion versions, supposedly
endowed with top mechanical accuracy.  I want one of each.  Alas, I
never came across their phantom importer.

Speaking of archaic Swiss weapons, I wonder what is the value of the
Zurich police sniper K31/55, advertised by Simpson (309-342-5800) for
$3,650...  All that, and 7.5 Swiss rounds you have to get @ $1 apiece.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Taurus: soft steels & gunsmithing problems?
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:23:39 GMT
Organization: who knows

bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes...
# ...
#PS, it is a very reputable place, and I know he wouldn't be lying to get
#an extra ~$2.50 in sales commission.  They are always honest about things.
#Today I laughed when a customer asked, while handling the more expensive
#Berretta, what advantages it has over a Glock.  The answer was something
#along the lines of "Nothing, but it has a cool name.", and that 
#it was less durable, less reliable, etc, and to only get it if you wanted 
#the prettier of the two.

Don't some manufacturer offer incentives to dealers who sell their product.
From: edp@sneaks.kodak.com (Ed Pendzik -- Sun Consulting)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stainless and WD40
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:54:25 GMT


there are two bad things about wd-40.

1) it's hydroscopic, (sp?) which means that it actually draws water from the
air, thus it attracts water to your pistol.

2) IMHO, it's too thin, especially when you fire a bunch of rounds and
your pistol heats up.

I have been using break-free for years. it's thicker than wd-40,
it doesn't attract water, and has teflon in it.

plus it meets mil-spec and the military uses it, and they have some
15 digit long number for it.

put the wd-40 on a door hinge, and something better on your expensive
pistols.

	Regards,
	Ed Pendzik
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: OOPS! I handled a Glock!
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:20:27 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <gf9CTXi00iUyI3CFIf@andrew.cmu.edu> se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot) writes:
## It thrills me that the Glock has HALF the number of components of the
#SIG.

#the SIG:  Frame, Slide, Barrel, Recoil spring and guide
#four components (4 and half if you're picky) -- what's the Glock have

Each of those components is made up of many smaller parts. The SIG
has 58 parts total, in contrast to the Glock's 34.

                                                      Frank Crary
                                                      CU Boulder