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From: crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM (crispen)
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Subject: Re: Cassette Prices / RMUSIC
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:25:13 GMT
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RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM sez

>I'm not sure why it was set up, but so far the topics covered are quite a bit
>more mainstream

*quite* a bit more mainstream!

>and the crowd seems to be younger.

*quite* a bit younger!  Or at any rate the info I got from my short time
on the list was kind of like fan-club info or the stuff that appears in
the teenage mags.  Not too enlightening.  Like I'll bet if I wanted a
complete Journey or Styx discography, somebody on ALLMUSIC would crank
one out (don't do it -- I was just making an example!), so I don't
think I'm missing much.

Not that ALLMUSIC is restricted to us "chronologically gifted" folks,
of course!  Y'all can just put up with us old farts better.

>They're also a little too sensitive to flamage...Probably couldn't stand the
>heat here.

Don't worry about it.  I went over there and flamed somebody about cowboy
music  ;-)

Incidentally, I'm getting a little worried about this.  If you
guys think I'm driving people off, tell me and I'll pull in my
horns.
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From: VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU (MIKE)
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Subject: Re: Homsexuals
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:01:00 GMT
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Date sent:  9-NOV-1992 10:56:53

>I did think about it my point was if there's mo problem with being gay than
>there's no problem admitting it. I'll admit it i'm heterosexual and not ashamed
>to admit it.....Are you ashamed.................L.W.

I do think you're missing the entire point.  None of us care to tell you
whether we are heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual ect.  We are not
ashamed of what we are (who ever _we_ are), it's just simply none of your
business as to our sexual orientation.

	"If there is a God, I don't think he's a butthead."
							ME

Mike
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:35:00 CDT
From:         MIKE <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Order

Date sent:  6-NOV-1992 11:30:51

>Actually Mike, what I meant to say was that I like the songs "Bizarre Love
>Triangle" and "Blue Monday" as well as some of the songs from their first
>album. I know that _Substance_ is a greatest hits of sorts. I didn't know
>that _Movement_ was their first. I thought _Power, Corruption and Lies_ was
>(and I liked a few songs off that). Sorry for the confusion and thanks for
>correcting me...

Sorry for correcting you where not needed.

>Yeah, I don't generally regard the Seattle scene bands as "alternative". Like
>someone posted recently, the media likes to pin alternative to anything that
>the college kids are listening to.

Not all the time, but I know what you mean.

>You mentioned Teenage Fanclub in your list of groups. I saw them on SNL last
>year and really liked the two songs they played. I heard some good reviews
>about them too. Any more input?

I got sick of them really fast.  Their sound is kind of....drab, if you will.
But for something different than different, Teenage Fanclub does the job
well enough I guess.

>Bob T

Mike
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: Re: You know what kind of night it's gonna be...
Date: 6 Nov 1992 06:41:53 GMT
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In a previous article, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) says:

>In article <1csp22INN88p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
>>>  along on the next tune (which he also penned, btw) and re-created
>>>  several previously extinct species of furry mammals. Let's see Rashaan
>>>  Roland Kirk try *that*!

  (remember, substitute RSJ for the above RRK)

>And what species are those, the easter bunny?

  Ka-POWWWWWWW!!!  We're hit, we're hit!!  We're taking on water!

  You would poke fun at "Zappa's best drummer" (your words) even before
hearing this incredible album?  Have you no dignity whatsoever?

  You're sinking to new lows for laughs. Redeem yourself, heathen!

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:48:23 EST
From:         "(David M. Geoghegan)" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject: Re: Racking my brains...anyone want to break?

	Sitting in Limbo was originally done by Jimmy Cliff of harder they come fame.
 Jerry Garcia also does a nice jam on it.
				Party On
				Dave
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:39:00 EST
From:         EdD tHe MaDd <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      McNaBlets

Today, we have befor us, brethren, Sistren, an' chil'in
    a man
          darein'
                  ta be amirin'
    another mans' mouth
    an' makin' crude
    remarks about
                 sexual orientation

    Now Brethen
               sistren
                       Chil'in

     I must ask,
                at this point,

     What is the main track
                           of McNabs' mental processes?

     We have no evidence,
               in the material
         of his other post
                that his interest
            extends beyond mens mouths
                 and their sexuality.

      Why is he interested
                          in extendin' it,
                his opinion,
                           that is
                 at the mouths of men
                            while mentionin' sex-
                     uality?
      I tell you
                 Brethren,
                          Sistren,
                                  Chil'in

           McNobb,
                  pardon,
                         McNab,

             has some in'tressin'
               orientations
                 in his extensions

                   of opinions
                              that is.

                                       Love an Kisses
                                         EdD tHe MaDd

PS the rythm of the speach is taken from an old tape of a
   classic southern revival, tent and all.  The really
   interesting thing is that the speaker was lyrical and
   creative with the rythms he employed to carry the message.
   it would be fascinatin'to hear a work of jazz based
   around the phrasing that some of these charismatic
   speakers employ.
                                       Posted and musically
                                         relevant.
                                                  EdD
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:07:46 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Is it Folk Music, or is it Memorex

First, Alan Rowoth said:
>>    Folk_music is a moderated discussion list dealing with the music of the
>>    recent wave of american singer/songwriters.

Then, Michael H. Bloom opined:
>IMHO this is not folk music, which is the native musical expression of
>indigenous peoples.

Well, I do see your point, and I'm really just trying to understand
what you're saying better, but by this standard the only true American
folk music is the music of Native Americans, no?

What then do you call the music of the Cheryl Wheelers, Shawn Colvins,
John Gorkas, etc. of the world?  Clearly this music has among its
many antecedents music that originated in the British Isles, was
transported to America in the 17th and 18th centuries (mainly) and
spread westward with the expansion of the U.S.

Is your point a) this music isn't folk music 'cause its too far removed
from its roots; b) this music isn't folk music 'cause its mostly made
by people who are the descendants of immigrants/invaders; or c) something
else entirely?  Inquiring minds want to know!

-Scott "I Am Curious (Yellow)" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Daron sez:

>
>       "Die..Die..Die......."
>                           - crowd chant from a recent Metallica show
>                          to people who tell you what to do and where to go!

Hmmmm... :-/  That's funny. I thought that chant was part of the song "Creeping
Death" which is about Moses, Pharohs, and the Israeli people. I think the
reference can be found in the Book Of Exodus in the bible.

Seeya,
Gary

     Sam:  What are you up to Norm?
     Norm: My ideal weight if I were eleven feet tall.
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Subject: Deep Purple's "Help"
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>From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
>> What are some of your faves from Deep Purple?

>the early years, I liked "Hush" and "Kentucky Woman" (they did a
>very strange cover of The Beatles' "Help!" if I remember)

You do remember correctly.  It was on _Shades Of Deep Purple_, their
first album, the one with "Hush".  The "very strange" thing they did
was merely slow the tempo down so that the mood of the music matched
the mood of the lyrics.  Ever since I've had trouble listening to
the Beatles' rather jaunty version.

>While we're talking about Ritchie Blackmore, I think Rainbow's _Rising_ album
>(uh, 1977?) is one of the better hard rock albums period.

Especially the last two songs with their epic tale of a mighty wizard
destroyed by hubris told from the point of view of one of the wizard's
slaves.  One of the more effective uses of an orchestra in hard rock.
It's a shame he couldn't keep that band together.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Subject:      A Capella and teleology

Marsha (Jann and Cyndi's sister) asks about Todd Rundgren's
"A Capella".  Well, it's technically a capella (have I changed to
spelling it right or have I changed to spelling it wrong?) in
that all the sounds are made by Todd and his body (mostly voice).
However, some of the sounds are recorded into a sampler and
then frequency-shifted, processed and so on.

There are a few genuine a capella tunes, though (the best ones IMHO):
Mighty Love is from this album, but Hodja, Johnny Jingo and Pretending
to Care(?) are also the genuine article and are even better.  The last
one in particular is just heart-meltingly good.  There's also one
kinda disco song (almost Bee Gees, but good) that if you'd never
played with a sampler you'd swear had all kinds of instruments on
it -- Something to Fall Back On.  I generally fast forward over the
song if somebody else is in the car because I don't want to be
caught liking it so much.  What can I say?  There's some trash
out there that just seems to have your name on it and it's gonna
get ya.

Anyway, it's still in the dollar bins, and definitely worth it.
Get this puppy!

Change of subject.  Somebody whom I respect (damn, I've got to start
being a little more conscious on Mondays) said that teleology didn't
presuppose that this is the best of all possible worlds.  That sent
me scurrying back to my freshman philosophy books.  Let me quote from
Aquinas's Fifth Way: "This is obvious, because they always, or at any
rate very frequently, operate in the same way so as to attain the best
possible result."

I would respectfully offer that at least Thomistic teleology
("strong" teleology?) did presuppose that the design in the world
was for the best.  "Weak" teleology (in Aquinas's words, the
inference of an archer from arrows in a target, or as later writers
(I've forgotten who) have said, the inference of a watchmaker from
the presence of a watch) certainly doesn't.

I suppose that to be rigorous one could say that teleology implies
that this is the best of all possible worlds if (a) the creator is
good, (b) the creator is omnipotent, and (c) the creator is finished.
I don't think Aquinas would have disagreed with any of those.

Mind you, I'm not a teleology fan -- in fact, that was just my point.
Teleology (apart from being the very best material with which
to demonstrate the fallacy of reasoning about the deity from nature)
is embarrassed the most by the problem of evil.
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:57:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Burning with optimism's flames...

Greetings y'all. The original Gary is back for the moment. I lost net
access last month due to forces beyond my control. That is, I was
RIFed (Reduction In Force) as we call it at DG, so I'm pounding the
pavement these days. I really couldn't handle life without the net,
so I signed up to MCIMail for now. Hopefully, my next position will
have net access.

Anyway, I'll be sitting mostly on the sidelines since I get charged
for each message I post (about $.50 each), but I'll be here if anyone
I used to talk with wants to chat.

MARCO: I was in the middle of posting you a message stating that my
order with you will have to wait when I was logged off of my profile
at DG, and I will get back to you on that.

SONJIA: I never got to hear how you liked the Ministry tape. Let's
hear it! I'm gonna see them December 5th in Rhode Island.

DEREK: Anything new in Steve Howe's life I should be aware of? :)

MIKEB: Just read that a Mission of Burma video has been released.
I know you like them, and thought I'd mention it if you haven't
heard yet. I'll be picking it up when I find it.

I just read the Gentle Giant discussion about the power cords.
Right, those weren't chords, if the song your taking about is
"Working All Day?"

Regards,
  -- Gary
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:37:05 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      a melody that I know not the name of....

Okay, here's a nastier challenge:

This has no words or lyrics to my knowledge, so I'll have to
enter it as note information:

C D E F G A B C D E    (notes used on the keyboard, no black keys)
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2

Here it is:

1234 1234 1234 1234  1234 1234 1234 1234  (time)
E    D  C B A  G     A CB C  A GAG  E     (note)
2    2  2 1 1  1     1 21 2  1 111  1     (octave)

I can't give it in musical notation, so this'll have to do.
Write it down, go home and play it on your piano.
It drives me nuts to not know where this melody is from!!!
It's a staple of muzak and I would like to hear the original....

Please respond!
Michael M. Masuda
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:22:09 PST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ROCK AND ROLL

Ilia and allmusic,

What are some of your faves from Deep Purple?

Mike Masuda.
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From:         "Materials Program Mgmt.,
              Ayr (823-3189)" <drobb@SSMPRD.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Floyd box

    On Nov. 5th, Adam (Levin) said ...

>>  I plan on picking this up for three reasons:
>>
>>  1) The b-sides disc will be the first time that all these songs will be
>>  available (legally) on CD. Relics hasn't been issued on CD.

    Wrong, "Relics" has been issued on CD, in (of all places) Australia.
    I used to see it from time to time on mail order lists here in the UK,
    but not so much now.  I can tell you tho' that the CD re-issue has a
    different, but still rather odd, cover from the original LP (as featured
    in _Record Collector_ magazine a coupla months back).

    Incidentally, IMHO this boxed set sounds like a *MAJOR* record company
    rip-off stint (Xmas market cash-in, and all that).

    - Dougie
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From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      re: ROCK AND ROLL

From: MASUDA%SJSUVM1.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU at INTERNET 11/9/92 10:28AM (
Subject: ROCK AND ROLL

>Ozzy's "Diary of a Madman", which is a classic.
>Everything after that seems too contrived for my tastes (metal, that is).
>Like Motley Crue's "Shout at the Devil" stuff--The Beatles' version
>of "Helter Skelter" still puts the shivers down my back and makes me
>feel like marching around the room in defiance, whereas the Crue's
>version lacks the depth of the original--it doesn't cut it for me.
>Depth--there's a good word.
>I like lyrics that are either totally bonehead, or evocative lyrics that
>take you away into the heart of the situation that is portrayed.
>Not too many songs do that these days.

You're missing out on a lot, Mike. Don't let Motley Crue ruin it for you. Hell,
the only thing they've been able to do in the last several years is lose
their vocalist and re-milk "Home Sweet Home" for a few more bucks.

Have you listened to any Queensryche lately? How 'bout Metallica? You want
lyrics that take you away into the heart of the situation that is portrayed -
get _Master Of Puppets_ "Disposable Heroes", and "Leper Messiah" for starters.
They try "One" off of _...And Justice For All_. Then, I know I sound like a
broken record: get Pantera's _Vulgar Display Of Power_, "Hollow" and
"This Love" are incredible. Oh, and don't forget Soundgarden as Foxy Bob said.
There is tons of good metal out there. You have to test the waters.

I have recently taken the plunge. I am awaiting the new one by Ministry (I
think it's called _Psalm 69_) and Mr. Bungle. These are 2 I have ordered for
yet another BMG CD Club membership. And the new Primus is on my list. Hmm...
so is Temple of the Dog, Pearl Jam...

Seeya,
Gary
"Metal Head Extraordinaire"
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:40:00 CDT
From:         MIKE <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bleating and babbling, we fell on his neck with a scream

Date sent:  6-NOV-1992 11:38:49

>Thats exactly what I said.  No direct accusation that anyone is a Fag.

Why is it you automatically think someone would take any such accusation as
an insult, anyway?  (Besides the fact that everyone's been jumping down
your throat.)

Mike
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Fret buzz from Hell

>From: Raymond Keller <rkeller@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
>Subject: Fret buzz from Hell

        The buzz problem may depend on your style. If you strum like a madman,
of course, it's more evident than if you go into quiet arpeggios.
        Before you modify the neck or try to change the action (but find your-
self someone who knows how to do it!), try out a new set of strings, possibly
a bit "stronger" (i.e., thicker) than the one you use now.
        Otherwise, don't be afraid: back to the store, and get them involved.
It's not a $40 thing, so you have the right to get a perfect instruments.

        Good luck!
        Marco
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bouncing off the walls
              5 Nov 1992 15:52:08 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UC HICAGO.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:52:08 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>>Is anyone seeing this message? For the last two days all my messages to
>>ALLMUSIC have been bounced back to me.
>>
>>-Adam
>
>Yes, I got it...Mine have too, but it seems that the problem is fixed -
>nothing bounced today for me.
>
>Marsha

Are you sure they were ever bounced?  A node at Princeton seems to have had a
problem & returned its distribution copies to sender, but the rest of the list
was getting the mail fine.  If your messages were truly bounced, you should
have gotten mail from the listserver itself, or possibly from your home node.
From: CC29@IONA.BITNET (Ilia)
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A while ago John said:

> Oh yeah, music. 8-)  General lists include AllMusic, nm-list and nmusic-l,
> supposedly about "new" music, INFOCD, and Gibraltar, the progressive rock
> list.  There's a few one band lists as well: Tadream (Tangerine Dream),
> pH7 (Peter Hammill), boc-l (Blue Oyster Cult and Hawkwind), Dominion
> (Sisters of Mercy), lost-chords (Moody Blues)... I know I'm on the lists
> for Concrete Blonde and the Oyster Band but I can't remember their names.
> Oh yeah, JTull, the Jethro Tull list.  Echoes, the Pink Floyd list.
>
> Sigh, I'm sure there are others...
>
> John McIntyre
> Physics - Astronomy Dept
> Michigan State University

I wonder, do you know why "Gibraltar"? Is there any connection with
Weather Report song? BTW, how would I sign on to those lists? (if you
recall, I don't have Interent access).
             Ilia.
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