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From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Who did I offend?
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:26:10 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7002/1.0

To: Daniel Lockhart
 DL=>If anyone can enlighten me on what toes I may have stepped on, 
 DL=>I'd 
 DL=>welcome it.
 DL=>When I posted the question here, I didn't get any answer.  I 
 DL=>didn't 

The last Jubilee was two years ago.  Hope this helps.  It could be three 
too, Just don't exactly remember, but i do know when Mr Wiesgant sent his 
little booklet out about the Messiah coming in 1988,  Hummmm i guess its 
four years...  He was banking on the Jubilee... 


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From: tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Clean And Unclean Un
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:33:59 GMT
Organization: Unisys, Applied Technology, Malvern, PA

Donna D'Iorio writes:
>    But TA doesn't like hearing that the ancient fathers were capable of
>error.  It mars the pedestal he has his heros perched on.

Nice job of speculating.

>    What I don't understand is why *you* would choose to support the
>dangerous theological stance of TA, while holding MJ's in such
>contempt.  My friend, it is Messianic Jews who are laboring so hard to
>rid the Church of its anti-semitic theological strongholds!  ...

Shade of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints!  "Don't be
fooled by these gentile churchianity-practicing infidels.  Come to the true
fount of learning.  Come to the nouveau religion of Messianic Judaism.  We
have all the 'correct' answers.  We have a direct line to the apostles of
the first century, and we know EXACTLY what they were thinking.  And we
KNOW all those other guys, from 'Barnabas,' to the authors of the Didache, to 
Justin Martyr right up to, and including, Tom Albrecht, got it all wrong."

>                                                             Don't be
>fooled by the subtlity of anti-semitism to be found in TA's theology.

Oh, you've read my book?

What a joke.  These folks from the toy network barge in on a conversation
that has been going on for years, and they think they have all knowledge. 
I'm sure Donna KNOWS my theology inside and out.

BTW, Donna, did you get my note?  I'm waiting to hear from you.

-- 
Tom Albrecht
From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Who Did I Offend?
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:53:04 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/18.0 - Midrash, Denver CO


         -=> Quoting Daniel Lockhart to All <=-
 DL> From: danl@col.hp.com (Daniel Lockhart)
 DL> Date: 13 Aug 92 18:54:17 GMT
 DL> Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
 DL> Message-ID: <1992Aug13.185417.29475@col.hp.com>
 DL> Newsgroups: alt.messianic
 DL> 
 DL> If anyone can enlighten me on what toes I may have stepped on, I'd 
 DL> welcome it.
 DL> 
 DL> 
 DL> I posted a question a couple of weeks ago on this forum and
 DL> Compuserve asking when the next "Year of Jubliee" would occur.
     The year of Jubliee is not currently observed, {though there are
     many Observant Jews in Israel who believe that the practice
     should be re-instated}.  It, [Biblically], is to occur every
     50 years, in a year ending in 0 in the Jewish calendar.  However;
     no one is sure that the Judaic calendar year 5750 was in fact
     supposed to be the Jubliee, (even though it wasn't celebrated
     anyway).  We are currently in the year 5752.

... 012 they heard the Voice of HaShem El*him walking in the garden...210  
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From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Whom did I offend?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:20:05 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

Daniel Lockhart writes:

> I posted a question a couple of weeks ago on this forum and Compuserve
> asking when the next "Year of Jubliee" would occur.  This came about
> from several "non-practicing Jews" and Christian friends while studing
> the feasts.  We suspect that this festival may not even be celebrated
> now days, but were hoping someone could give some answer.  
> 
> When I posted the question here, I didn't get any answer.  I didn't 
> expect one, but usually if I offend someone I would draw a flame.

I seem to remember Daniel Segard answered this.  Do you remember this, Daniel?

> What got me was that the Sys Admin pulled the question from Compuserve
> two days after it was posted, and has not responsed back why.
> 
> Any ideas?

Seems like the only person who can answer this is your "Sys Admin", not us.

-- Bruce Tiffany
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: Clean And Unclean Under The New Cove
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 00:39:28 -0400

Bill Carlson writes:

>     I resent that; and there you go again with your blanket labels.
>     I've tried to discuss issues politely with you since I came on
>     here.

The "imprecise self-descriptions" charge applies as well to Mr.
Carlson.  I don't recall him expressing the sneering arrogance
of his peers; either he's playing the role of 'good cop' or
that's just his personality.

Anyway the posted information Bill Carlson provided, such as names of
alleged Messianics[sic] throughout history, does not lend itself to
discussion, rather to further research, which is currently taking
place off-line.

How about you, Bill, do *you* have any comment on Prof. Hyam Maccoby's
books?  He presents a more favorable portrait of Jesus than in any
other book I've read, including the Christian scriptures themselves.

R

Newsgroups: alt.messianic
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: Missionizing to 2-year-olds (was Re: knowing HaShem)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 07:34:40 -0400

Bruce Benning writes:

> Rob Strom has made a case against his relatives who believe in
> Messiah Yeshua because of alleged  wrongful behavior toward his
> children.
>    {scare the young children to believe in Yeshua}
>
> Rob, if you believe the activity you suggest your relatives did
> against your young children was wrong, would you also agree with
> me that the act of parents who disown their children because the
> children become followers of Messiah Yeshua is equally wrong?

If you think that frightening pre-school kids with stories of eternal
fiery hell (or a drowning at the beach) for refusing to love Jesus is
as equally wrong as disowning a grown child who makes a bad decision,
then you have a truly sick sense of morality.


> It seems only fair that a discussion of those who have come to
> believe in Messiah Yeshua, and were utterly rejected by their
> Jewish parents/family/friends would be appropriate now.

This would be a valid topic for this group, if not coupled
with the subject at hand.


> Now Rob, do you want to talk about emotional/psychological warfare of
> this nature? It does exist. How would you respond to it?

Psychological warfare is one more front on which enemies do battle.

R

Newsgroups: alt.messianic
From: J045820@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Looking for a forum
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:44:53 GMT

I am looking for a group or forum as it may be to discuss JESUS CHRIST
and the BIBLE the inerrant word of GOD. You guessed It I am a BORN again
christian. This is not a negative post of any kind I am truly looking
for such a group. I have listed the groups we gather information from
and none of them seem to fit....Any suggestions
                                   BLSmith
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
From: danl@col.hp.com (Daniel Lockhart)
Subject: Who did I offend?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:54:17 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

If anyone can enlighten me on what toes I may have stepped on, I'd 
welcome it.


I posted a question a couple of weeks ago on this forum and Compuserve
asking when the next "Year of Jubliee" would occur.  This came about
from several "non-practicing Jews" and Christian friends while studing
the feasts.  We suspect that this festival may not even be celebrated
now days, but were hoping someone could give some answer.  

When I posted the question here, I didn't get any answer.  I didn't 
expect one, but usually if I offend someone I would draw a flame.
What got me was that the Sys Admin pulled the question from Compuserve
two days after it was posted, and has not responsed back why.

Any ideas?


daniel
From: Malachi.Robertson@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Malachi Robertson)
Subject: Re: introduction and questions
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: alt.messianic
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:24:04 GMT

First to Bill Carlson,
Thanks for answering my questions.  Unfortunately, I must of missed the
original posting of it.  I was able to get some of it in Tom's reply to it.

Second to Tom Albrecht,
You say the following in <2453@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>:
>...the AOG is the only denomination that is "officially" premillennial...
I guess I question how true this statement is.  If you define
premillennial as just the belief that Yeshua returns before the millenium
and at that time the saints become possesors of the kingdom, then I and my
denomination, the Seventh-day Adventist, are premillennial.  If you define
"official" as being what our governing body declares to be the
denomination's current understanding of these Biblical matters, then we
are officially premillennial.  So given my conditionals, does your
statement still hold?

"Malachi" Ian Robertson Brown


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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: California Senate races  (was Re: the Keating 5)
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:23:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <16lu2eINNcf1@agate.berkeley.edu>, lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Andrew J. Lazarus) wrote:

> >Has Herschensohn actually said he wants *more* defense spending?  As I
> >understand it, he just wants to keep the levels the same.  He opposes
> >the radical cuts proposed by the more "dovish" Dems.
> 
> Yes he has said that.

And to be more precise, he says so because of one thing only: perception. 
I was at a meeting with him last week, and someone brought this up.  He
said that the only reason he favors as much military spending as we have
now is because whenever in history superpowers have disarmed, they have
been bitten in the butt by it.  He talked about how it is all in PERCEPTION
by the other powers out there.  It doesn't matter if you are still the
strongest if noone believes you are not.  The point of a strong military is
to scare the bejessus out of other countries so they DON'T ever try to
fight you.  Sun Tzu said that best.
 
> >Most of Herschensohn's views are compatible with the suburban voters
> >he's counting on to put him over the top, particularly Orange and San
> >Diego Counties, as well as the Inland Empire.  This is how he won the
> >primary, and this is how he hopes to win the general election.
> 
> Like abortion? Ooops. Maybe that's why Boxer is still running ahead of
> Herschensohn in Orange County itself -- where he needs at least 60% to
> balance how far back he will run in SF, LA, East Bay, and the Coast.

Bruce's views on abortion is this: Roe v. Wade is a bad judicial decision
and the ends do *not* justify the means.  He wants it back in the rhelm of
the state governments.  If Georgia doesn't want abortion, but California
does, fine.
 
--
Rick Eames
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I don't speak for Apple.  Really, I don't.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.bizarre
From: David.Condon@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Condon)
Subject: Re: faxes and other terror tactics
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:56:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.210319.16081@anasazi.com> best@anasazi.com (Mike Best) writes:
>
>Your facts are uncoordinated.
>
Error! Error! Sterilise! Stee-riii-liiise!

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Xref: sparky alt.rush-limbaugh:3617 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:4487 talk.politics.misc:39669 alt.politics.bush:1557 alt.politics.clinton:1923 alt.politics.elections:10567
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: the Keating 5
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:30:27 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

>	I was under the impression that Alan Cranston was either going
>to retire or was really fighting for his seat because of Keating stuff.
>Any Californians want to comment?

Cranston announced his retirement before the Keating 5 scandal ever broke.
He's sick, some kind of cancer I believe.  The fact that he was retiring
anyway, is way the democrats decided to blame it all on him.

>					Alex Crain
-- 
--Mark

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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Media Bias at Republican Convention
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:26:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
!eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
!|> Oh, according to NBC, the reason why they did that was to be sure "The
!|> Tonight Show" got on time without encroaching into local news time. Uh,
!|> excuse me!!!! ABC does that all the time on Monday Night Football !!!!
!	Monday night football has a much higher share rating then the 
!convention, which is about the same as a typical sitcom rerun. For example,
!the Dem. convention ran against _Revenge of the nerds III_, and has a share 
!rating of 5.1, while RTNIII had a share of 7.6. The republicans are doing
!about the same, share wise, although they beat out a murphy brown rerun
!by a slight margin. Neither convention draws as many vewers as The Tonight
!Show. 
!	What you're asking is for NBC to subsidize the GOP by making a poor
!financial decision. When they don't, you claim media bias. Sound logic if
!there ever was any.
	No, I'm wondering who in the world in NBC-land unilaterally
decided to go off the air. The other two corporate stations ABC and CBS
stayed with Gramm. (Heck, I know these guys are worried about money
since they've cut their coverage to about 1-2 hours during both
conventions. Why are they showing TV reruns, right?)


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Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: Joke from other newsgroups
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa, na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:23:46 GMT

tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:

>A lot of people make fun of Clinton's statement "I didn't inhale".  But I
>can beleive it.  Why?  Is it because I'm stupid?  Nope,  because I didn't
>inhale either.

[story trimmed]

>Anybody else willing to admit they faked smoking dope to look hip?

No, I never faked smoking dope to look hip, I enjoyed getting high.

But Clinton is a different matter. WHile he said "I didn't inhale", I
seriously feel it was actually more a case of "I COULDN'T inhale", as
Clinton suffers from an abnormally severe case of hay fever and various
allergies.

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton's broken promise
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:01:16 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

Clinton has been running for president since he was 18 years old.

"They" say that anyone can grow up to be president in the US, I'm not
ready to elect just anyone.....

But it does explain some of his waffling, manipulating, and slickness.
He wants to be president.  And he's willing to say or do *whatever*
it takes.

-- 
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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Joke from other newsgroups
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:36:42 GMT
Distribution: usa, na
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

A lot of people make fun of Clinton's statement "I didn't inhale".  But I
can beleive it.  Why?  Is it because I'm stupid?  Nope,  because I didn't
inhale either.

During the late 60's and early 70's pot was smoked at almost every 
party I went to.   There was a lot of social pressure to smoke dope.  If
you didn't, you were looked on as being "uncool"...  So, sometimes when
I was passed a joint, I would pass it on.  But othertimes I would hold it
up to my lips, and make a sucking sound out of the corner of my mouth.
That way I looked like I was "hip",  but didn't have to violate my
own stance on using drugs myself.

I'll bet all of us have done "fakery" in the face of social pressure;
applauded performances we thought were bad,  stood up for people we thought
were unworthy, smiled when we wanted to say "FY", faked enjoyment, 
whatever...

Anybody else willing to admit they faked smoking dope to look hip?
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.news-media
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Media Bias at Republican Convention
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:10:48 GMT

jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:

[...]
>Every poll I have ever seen (including one I posted by the L.A. Times)
>has put the news media considerably to the left of the American public.
>Would you like me to repost it or email it to you?
[...]

So what do you want quotas? If conservatives are less likely to choose
media careers, that is their own fault.

- Carl
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d,alt.news-media
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Media Bias at Republican Convention
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Aug20.151048.27671@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Aug20.181006.28939@vexcel.com>
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:07:52

In article <1992Aug20.181006.28939@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:

   In article <1992Aug20.151048.27671@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
   >jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
   >
   >[...]
   >>Every poll I have ever seen (including one I posted by the L.A. Times)
   >>has put the news media considerably to the left of the American public.
   >>Would you like me to repost it or email it to you?
   >[...]
   >
   >So what do you want quotas? If conservatives are less likely to choose
   >media careers, that is their own fault.
   >
   >- Carl
   >--
   >Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

   Or maybe conservatives get converted into liberals with day-in, day-out
   exposure to the facts! :)  :)  :)

   Carl's question is a good one.  Assuming that the opinions and attitudes
   of the media are somewhat to the left of the population, which I am
   willing to grant, why?

   -- 

		   dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)

Dean Alaska's interpretation of the polls of journalists is a possible
one - i.e. that their experience turns them left.  However, the polls
of journalism students show that they were on the left before they
ever became journalism students.

What can we conservatives legitimately ask for.

1. Not quotas.

2. We warn people to expect bias.

3. A clear separation of news and commentary.  Editors should enforce
this and brag about it.  In fact many media claim to have such standards,
but they are lax in enforcing them.  If all newspapers were as careful
as the New York Times, things would be a lot better than they are,
though far from completely unbiased.  I note that Accuracy in Media
has almost no complaints about the New York Times and many complaints
about media whose editorial policies are not to the left of the New
York Times.
--
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:32:26 GMT

rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero) writes:

>I wouldn't be so quick to assume that opposition to abortion is
>based in religion.  I'm as irreligious as you can get, though
>tolerant of others who are religious.

We say opposition to abortion is based in religion because most
pro-life arguments are.  How many "God is Pro-Life" signs have you
seen?  It's the religious leaders who are telling their congregations
to be pro-life.  Do you think that the Lambs of Christ base their
actions on non-religious grounds?

>My opposition to abortion is based on fundamental human rights, ie
>the right to life.  Not even a mother (or potential mother) should
>wield an absolute determination of right to life.  If it's an
>intrinsic or "natural" right for us (the born), it ought to be for
>them (the not yet born).

The philisophical questions is "When does human life begin?"  I
grant you the point that a fertilized egg is life.  After all, a
one-celled amoeba is considered life.  But should that fertilized
egg be granted fundamental human rights?  And should that
fertilized egg be able to impose its rights onto the mother?
 
>Too much of what "reproductive rights" boils down to is a failure to
>take responsibility for one's own actions.  Sometimes that responsibility
>should be shouldered, and not taken out on some innocent third party.

I guess those rape and incest victims need to shoulder the
responsibility for their own actions, after all, they let themselves
be impregnated.  They should have known better.

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