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From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: Alex Cole ...
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:10:07 GMT

jortiz@austen.helios.nd.edu (The Candyman) writes:

>...how did he end up with the Bucs? When did
>it happen?  Who was traded for him? Wasn't
>Cleveland going to build the franchise around
>him?  (As I recall, they even changed the Stadium's
>dimensions mainly because of him).

I remember a Jays/Cleveland game last year, in which a commentator noted
that Cole was playing awfully deep in center.   The other guy noted that
Cole had had some problems with going back on a ball, so he plays deep
to be able to come in on short flies.  Needless to say, just about
everything dropped in front of him.  Extremely embarassing to watch.  I
couldn't believe they let this guy out of Little League.  
--
Dave!
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Buffalo
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:33:13 GMT

In article <oePLibS00WB444_2Z4@andrew.cmu.edu> al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
>Al Martin seems to be tearing it up.  Is he a washed up over 30 keep the
>record good career minor leaguer or is he a prospect?  Someone please look
>that up.

He's that really unusual player: a six-year minor league free agent who is
actually still somewhat of a prospect.  He's 24 years old, and didn't start
playing ball until relatively late, so he's still a bit raw.  I forget
whose organization he was in, but he was a 6 year minor league free agent
this past winter, and 20 teams contacted him, but the Pirates were able to
snag him for Buffalo.  I think he's probably a marginal prospect.  

>I have found one chink in Garcia's armour.  He does not walk much. 276 BA
>.311 OBA.  Certainly not Barry Bonds.

No, and never will be.  But he does have the potential to hit for more
power than Jose Lind.  I don't think he's really the answer at third, but
he might be the answer at second.

>Jeff King has homered in consecutive games.  Damn.  Now they may have more
>patience with him.

If Jeff King could only learn patience at the plate, I wouldn't mind as
much.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Franchises (WAS Re: Observations on World Series Winners)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:39:38 GMT

Distribution: usa

In article <BrwEq0.FIA@mail.boi.hp.com> rdetweil@hpbs1026.boi.hp.com (Richard  
Detweiler) writes:
>  Looking at the list of World Series participants it hit me that there
>  hasn't been a World Series yet that did not include at least one of the
>  original 16 NL/AL teams or their ancestors.  After thirty chances or more,
>  that seems quite a string.  What are the chances of breaking that this 
>  year?  Lets see, Pads/Blue Jays, Expos/Blue Jays maybe...
> 
>  This also got me to thinking about franchise moves and name changes.  As  
best 
>  as I can remember this is the way it breaks down:
> 
>  Of the original 16 clubs the following have stayed put:
> 
>  NL                                  AL
>  =========================           =========================
>  Chicago Cubs                        New York Yankees
>  St. Louis Cardinals                 Boston Red Sox (were the Beaneaters?)
>  Pittsburgh Pirates                  Cleveland Indians
>  Philadelphia Phillies               Detroit Tigers
>  Cincinnatti Reds                    Chicago White Sox

Baltimore moved to New York in 1903.
(Most of the teams had different names in the earlier years of BB)
 
>  The following are the movers:
> 
>  NL                                  AL
>  =========================           =========================
>  NY => SF Giants                     St. L. Browns => Baltimore Orioles
>  Brklyn => LA (Trolley)Dodgers       Phil. => KC => Oak. Athletics
>  Boston => Mlwk. => At. Braves       Wash. Senators => Minn. Twins (???)

Milwaukee => St. L. => Balt.
Wash => Minn. is correct
 
>  Expansion teams that have stayed put:
> 
>  NL                                  AL
>  =========================           =========================
>  Houston Astros (were Colt 45's)     California Angels
>  NY Mets                             Toronto Blue Jays
>  Montreal Expos                      Kansas City Royals
>  San Diego Padres
Depends on your definition of moved I guess.
Does Los Angeles => Anaheim count as moving? They did change their name
from 'L.A.' to 'Cal.'
 
>  And expansion teams that have moved:
> 
>  NL                                  AL
>  =========================           =========================
> 				     Wash. Senators => Texas Rangers
> 				     Seattle Pilots => Milwaukee Brewers
>                                      Seattle Mariners

As far as I know, the Mariners have stayed put.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Rob Ducey (Was Re: Cuyler: put on DL?)
Organization: GTE/SCSD
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:55:31 GMT

Ducey and Greg Myers were traded to California for Mark Eichorn.

--
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From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ease of RBI (was: Re: RP/PA for AL and NL (More bogus RP stats))
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:48:51 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <GRABINER.92Jul24143710@zariski.harvard.edu> grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes:

>In article <3665@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, David M Tate writes:

>> Why would the conversion rate go *up* with 2 outs?  Everything that works 
>> with 2 outs still works with < 2 outs, plus various strange events like fly
>> balls where the outfielder throws it away after making the catch...

>Because the runner can go as soon as the ball is hit, instead of waiting
>to see if it gets caught.  In addition, it is worth taking more risk to
>score with two out.

This makes sense, but doesn't account for the fact that the conversion rate
is also higher with 1 out than with 0 out.  Is that due to more chances being
taken with 1 out than with 0 outs, a la "The Book"?  


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From: djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:09:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.154043.5291@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <BrtFrJ.9MH@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>>>>>>>>If Rance Mulliniks, Derek Bell, and Rob Ducey don't think that a .300 hitter
>>>>>>>>15HR and 50 RBI man so far shouldn't be playing then they shouldn't be
>>>>>>>>considered team players as well.  
>
>>What I am saying is that there is a good way and a bad way in dealing with
>>a problem with other players or managers. If Derek feels that Winfield
>>a problem in the clubhouse then the good way to deal with this is to
>>discuss it with the manager or upper management.  If the management feels
>>that Derek has a reasonable complaint then I am sure that they would do
>>something about it.  If it is not a reasonable complaint and Derek thinks
>>that it is going to affect his play then Derek has every right to ask for
>>a trade or whatever he wants to ask for.
>
>So, in other words, you don't stand by your original statement above that
>if Derek Bell doesn't think that a .300 hitter 15 HR and 50 RBI man
>shouldn't be playing, then he isn't a team player, that there can be
>circumstances under which it is okay to complain in the proper way about
>it.  That's what I wanted to get straight.

No. What I am saying is that if Bell has a good reason for a player not to
be playing every day and he has a problem with it then he complain about
it in the proper way.  If Bell thinks that a .300 15 HR and 50 RBI helps
team win but would rather put himself ahead of the team and play himself
even if it means losing more games then he is not a team player.

Sherri, let me ask you one question.  Assume a .250 7 HR 24 RBI guy demands
to play instead of a .300 15 HR 50 RBI even if it means losing more games, 
is he a team player?  (Assume defensive abilities are equal) 

>Sherri Nichols
>snichols@adobe.com

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From: bmbrow01@vulcan.spd.louisville.edu (Brian M. Brown)
Subject: Oriole tickets
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:58:55 GMT


Does anybody out there know how I can get Oriole home game tickets for
the week of Aug 2-7.  I will be in Baltimore that week and they are 
home.  I have been wanting to go to the new park.  Unfortunately the
only seats available are single seats.  I wuold need about four to six
tickets.  If anyone knows how I might get a hold of some please let me
know.

Brian Brown

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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: The All-<name> Teams
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:12:13 GMT


In article <3508@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)  
writes:
> Creating all-time all-star teams is an inalienable right of baseball fans
> everywhere.  In recent years here on the Net, we've seen all-alphabet teams
..
> Once more into the breach, dear friends...
.. 
> I'm going to propose three categories:
> 
> 	1. Same given name.  (As named by parents.)
> 	2. Same everyday nickname.
> 	3. Same general name-class.
..
> Bonilla, Bob Watson, etc.  The all-John team is surprisingly weak, once you
> get past Honus Wagner and Johnny Bench, unless I'm missing some obvious  
folk.
hmm.. let's see what I can find...
C:  Bench
1b: Mize, Stuffy McInnins?
2b: Evers, Ray
3b: McGraw
SS: Wagner, Jack Glasscock (I wanna put one of these at 3b)
LF: Kruk, Dusty Baker??
CF: Mickey Rivers??? John Anderson? 
RF: Callison
PH/DH(?): Boog Powell
I forget, what position did Jack Doyle play?
Hey! Let's put Juan Samuel in CF!!:)
SP: Clarkson
    Tudor
    Jack Morris
    Chesboro, Quinn?
    Powell
c'mon *please* let me use Marichal...
RP: Hiller, Murphy, Franco

ah-ha! Now I know why I'm such a lousy player!
> 
> Great Players on Bad Teams:  Stan Musial, Mike Schmidt, Ernie Banks, Cal
> 				Ripken, Lefty Gomez
> 
> Lonely Guys:	Ty Cobb, Kiki Cuyler, Ryne Sandberg, Tris Speaker, Nap  
Lajoie,
> 		Bake McBride, Van Lingle Mungo.

Lonely, but not lone (from the Franklin)...
Ty: Gainey, Waller, Cline,Laforest, Tyson, Pickup, Cobb
Ryne: Sandberg and Duren
Nap: Reyes, Kloza, Rucker, Shea, Lajoie
Arnold: Bake McBride, Umbach, Earley, Latman, Portocarrero, Thesenga, Carter,  
Mickey Owen, Moser, Anderson, Jigger Statz, Hauser, Chick Gandil
Van: Snider, Kelly, Fletcher, Mungo
didn't find any other Kikis, Hazens, Triss or Tristrams though.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Twins Baserunning
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:52:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.175405.10086@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.173147.17906@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>>
>>Following this, Morgan 
>>said that he would rather have a lead-off hitter with a lower OBP that could 
>>"make things happen" as opposed to a lead-off with a higher OBP that played 
>>"station to station".  I think he was referring to Wade Boggs vs. anyone that 
>>can run.
>
>Morgan was harping on this all night.  He also blamed the Red Sox
>offensive woes on having "dead baserunners".  The second part is
>bullshit.  The Sox aren't scoring because they aren't hitting.
>
>As for the first?  If I had to bench either Boggs or Hatcher and lead
>off the other, I would obviously bench Hatcher.  If the question was
>one of how to organize the lineup?  Well, that depends on the other
>players involved.  Is there anybody else capable of batting in the #3
>slot?  Is it a home run or singles based offense?  Do the #2/#3/#4
>hitters walk a lot?
>
>It makes sense to bat speed in front of high-contact singles hitters
>who don't walk very often.  If Gwynn is batting third, you want your
>leadoff hitter to have speed.  But if Plantier, Thomas, or Tettleton
>bats third, I would attempt to stack as much OBP as possible into the
>#1/#2 slots.  The power/walk combination is a great one on offense.
>But it doesn't benefit so much from speed.
>
>I prefer a leadoff hitter with OBP *and* speed.  And I would never

Sure, and then add some power and a few intangibles and you've got it all :-)

>have anybody lead off who can't put up at least an average (.330) OBP.
>Polonia's .350 OBP is acceptable, given his speed.  Hatcher's .310 (or
>whatever) OBP is not.

Actually, all this kind of begs the question of why Boggs is batting 3rd in 
the first place. He STILL has the best OBP on the team (though Zupcic and 
Bruno are getting closer). Also, he traditionally has strong second halves
of the season. Bearing in mind that Boggs has almost no power, he's not going
to drive in runners on 1st (and possibly 2nd; he hits EVERYTHING to left),
he's really not going to be a good #3 hitter. I also read something a few
years ago about Boggs' BA/SLG when he hits leadoff and when he hits #3 and
he DOES hit better when he hits #1, or did as of a couple years ago. (*WHY*, 
nobody knows). Anyway, so far as the B Sox are concerned, leadoff was NOT a
problem. Why the repeated efforts to make Boggs a #3 guy?

Mike
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Olympic Baseball
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:33:13 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

So how about the USA Baseball team? 3-0, scoring 10 runs each in its
last 2 games. However, the Washington Post has pretty minimal coverage
of this. So, I have a few questions:

1. The US is playing Cuba, the favorite, at 1pm edt. As I write this, it
is 3:30 edt. Is anyone out there with a modem and the triplecast?!?!

2. How does the tournament work? The Post so far has done 0 explaining of
this, other than to say the top 4 teams make it. This would make the US
a shoo in for the medal round. But.....

3. How is the medal round set up? Double elimination? round robin?

4. How many games in the pre-medal round?

5. Who is our best hitter? Who is our best pitcher? Who is our best fielder?
Are these guys in college? Have they been signed by a pro team yet?

inquiring ameture baseball fans want to know.....

-rob
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From: nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere)
Subject: Re: Both Canadian teams in first place
Keywords: Canadian first, seriousness not needed
Reply-To: nss3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:33:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.173558.29628@news2.cis.umn.edu> lpeitso@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lance) writes:
>
>
>In Article <1992Jul30.142611.6474@encore.com>, jlundy@encore.com (Joe "I can try to stick up for Kirsch" Lundy ) writes: 
>
>
>>4) Peitso!
>
>	What a cool last name.  So wonderful and caring.  The thrower of a 
>damn good keg party.  Just ask Dave "Let's hit on some sixteen year olds"
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Kirsch.  

Aw, Dave!  You promised to wait until I got up to Minnesota before
doing that!

Noel Steere                  |...of the Dave Rossing fan club
GM/Manager, New York Knights |Knights' Run Total: 467 Runs in 93 games
Internet Baseball League     |Projected Season Total: 813  Target: 1000!
nss3@midway.uchicago.edu     |HECTOR VILLANUEVA FOR PRESIDENT
                             |(Heck, the Cubs sure aren't using him!)
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Reasonably priced good team
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:26:42 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

Deion Sanders???  Felix Jose???  You guys are wimping out!  Give me a
team of players who are either:
1) Six year veterans (and so could have qualified for free agency).
2) Have at some point been free agents.

Of *course* Jose and Bagwell are cheap!  They don't have a choice!
While you are at it, include Griffey, Thomas, Plantier, Knoblauch, and
every other rookie of the last five years!

-Valentine
-- 
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Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:20:40 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ** WIFFLEBALL **

We basically play home run derby in my backyard.  There is a hug tree in
centerfield which only counts as .5 homeruns.  There is a second fence
which
is a little too far away to hit regularly, but it is worth 2 homeruns.
At the beach, we play strict home run derby(until we get kicked off) and
denote the fences with lines in the sand.
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From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Another 'Fundamental' Loss the NYM
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:39:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul21.192327.13865@auto-trol.com>,
mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) writes:

>Whenever Randolph is *not* playing, they put Chico (gag) Walker in a second.  I
>have nothing against Walker specifically, but the man is an OUTFIELDER!

That STILL beats Junior Noboa's credentials. He was a PINCH RUNNER!

[on Saberhagen's return]
>Yeah.  People seem to be downplaying this, but I think it may very well be the
>thing to get them started.  If Bret pitches well tonight, you may see the
>Metsies really start playing again.

Agreed. While Saberhagen can't possibly have the "Roy Hobbs Effect" that some
WFAN-caller idiots are expecting, the Mets have traditionally rallied around
their pitchers - they used to say things like "When Gooden was pitching, I
felt we couldn't lose blah blah blah etc."
                                                            - JAM
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From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Twins Baserunning
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:52:33 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Jul27.173147.17906@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>I'm not sure how many people saw last night's Twins/Red Sox game on ESPN, 
>but for those who did, I am curious on your reaction to some of the Twins
>decisions on the bases.  The time in question is the top of the 4th.  
>Shane Mack doubles to start the inning.  Kirby doubles him home, Twins up 
>3-1.  Chili Davis hits a single to left-center, medium depth, and Kirby tries 
>to score but is thrown out at the plate.  Davis moves to second on the throw. 
>Replays showed that Puckett was actually safe, but the decision to send him is
>the question here.  If Kirby stays at third, you have men at 1st and 3rd with 
>nobody down.  The Twins were hitting very well up to this point so why not hold
>him?  Any reactions.  The same inning Chili tried to score on a sac fly and 
>was gunned down by Tom Brunansky when he went in standing up.  If he had slid 
>he would have been safe.  All in all it was a very ugly inning.
>
I banged my head against the wall a few times after that inning.  Puckett
should have been sent.  There was a reasonable chance that me might score
(he did, but was called out).  The throws were PERFECT and he still made it.
Anything less than perfect throws and he's called safe.

I'm still confused about Davis.  He may have missed a sign or figured he had
plenty of time due to the depth of the fly.  I wouldn't have sent him in the
first place.  He's not a great runner and makes quite a few baserunning
errors.  The Twins had something like 4 hits that inning and only scored 3
runs.  I say ONLY because they were crushing the ball.

>As a side note,  Joe Morgan made a statement that I thought was rather 
>:
>which seems to be what he was saying.  Reaction?
>
Joe Morgan is a putz.  I don't care for him or his opinions.  Too bad, the
other ESPN guy is the best.  Team him with Jim Kaat and you'd have THE best
announcing duo.

>Steven Kelm
>
-Rick>
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From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: Best Looking Swing
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:56:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.022953.28211@news.nd.edu> jortiz@tagore.helios.nd.edu (The Candyman) writes:
 [ Mike Stailey's list of "sweet swings" deleted. ]
>
>	All lefthanded hitters, interesting...  Why is it
>always the case that all the players we hear that have 
>"beautiful" swings are left-handed hitters?
>	I've personally never heard of a right-handed 
>hitter with a swing described as "sweet",
>or "beautiful".
>(The highest complement to a right-handed stroke I can recall
>is "short, compact, swing".) :-)
>	Why is it so?  

It probably has something to do with the fact that a lefty can get that
nice, full follow-through and still be facing first; if a righty had a
nice, full follow-through, he'd be facing third and would be thrown out
more often because he'd have to turn himself back around to run.  If
you'll notice, Kirby Puckett, with that "short, compact swing" was the
first right-handed batter to win the batting title in several years.

It's as if that extra step needed to get to first from the third base
side of the plate weren't enough by itself!

Colin.
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Where have all the flakes gone?
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:53:01 GMT

In article 084513U39730@uicvm.uic.edu, Norma Kateeb <U39730@uicvm.uic.edu> () writes:
>Okay fans--is there anyone today--be it player, manager, GM, umpire--
>ANYONE who adds some life and fun to the game today?

Wrigley Field bleacherites and Roger McDowell of the Dodgers seem to have a
love-in going over last few years. During BP McDowell would go into the
outfield, pick up a gardening hose, and spray the bleacher creatures with
water on a warm summer's day. Other days he would play catch with them, or
try to throw a ball into one of the holes in the center field scoreboard.

There's always Turk Wendell, whenever the Cubs give him a chance to pitch at
this level. I won't try to repeat all of his peculiarities, but there are
many.

Tommy Lasorda, IMHO, is still good for a laugh, though, with his team in the 
West Dumper, there isn't much to laugh about these days.

There's gotta ba a few more...

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)