From: rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA (Rob Parkhill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:23:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: hobbes.199211112223.AA01808
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

putzolu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (David Putzolu) Writes:
>In article <199211081843.AA03209@hobbes.cuc.ab.ca> rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA (Rob  
Parkhill) writes:
>>ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes:
>>>rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA (Rob Parkhill) writes:
>
>** Unfair pricing alert! Unfair pricing alert! **
>
>>Nononononono! The ONLY Mac equivilant to the NeXTstation Turbo Color
>>would be a Quadra 950.
>>These are the latest (Canadian) edu prices for both systems:
> * With prices available at UCD to me to the left *
					      ^^^^ to the right, actually
					(Just to clear things up a bit)
> * Mail order (MO) prices used when appropriate   *
>>Quadra 950, 8MB RAM, No HD, 1 floppy drive      $6 514 -UCD-> $5 153
>>Keyboard                                        $  233 -UCD-> $  159
>>Monitor and VRAM (your prices -> Canadian)      $1 300 -UCD-> $1 300
>>(Also: Isn't it necessary to add a display
>>card to get 24bit colour for a Quadra?        No. VRAM is all you need.
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^					
My price list is wrong then. I'll have to mention that to the MicroStore

>>200MB Hard Drive                                $  500 -MO--> $  500
>>Total                                           $8 547 -TOT-> $7 112
>
>
>>NeXTstation Turbo Color                         $5 870 -UCD-> $5 266
>>w/ 16MB RAM, 250 MB Hard Drive
>>(Comes with keyboard and mouse) (Not at UCD)           -UCD-> $  179
>>17" NeXT Colour Monitor                         $1 930 -UCD-> $1 825
>>Total with 17" Monitor                          $6 670 -UCD-> $7 260

Gee.. thanks for hacking up my post and taking it out of context! Try 

reading it a little more carefully and you'll see that the price you've
listed for the Mac is for with 17" monitor that was quoted in the previous post  
at $1100 with 16Meg of RAM.  So.. using US dollars.. that monitor is about 

$650 so... the NeXTstation Turbo Color with THAT monitor price 

for UCD should read
NeXTstation Turbo Color		-UCD-> $6095
Well well well.. the NeXT is cheaper when this price is used (why should 

use the NeXT monitor price when the Apple monitor price isn' used?)
Or, if you want to be fair.. the Apple 16" Monitor goes for $1 144 (US)
making the Mac --->  	$7 406
And the NeXT price for the 17" Monitor(Sony Trinitron) is $1 825
making the NeXT---> 	$7 260
Let me grab my calculator.. yup.. those are right.. and the NeXT is still
ahead. And ALL prices are in US dollars now...

>
>Note that now the prices are closer - but here is what may be a
>more fair Mac to compare with:
>Quadra 700, 4MB Ram, No HD                       $3 327
>Add 4MB Ram, 1.5MB VRAM                          $  400
>Keyboard                                         $  159
>Add 120MB Hard Drive                             $  399
>Apple 16" Color Monitor                          $1 144
>Total:                                           $5 429

Gee.. at that price for RAM.. the monitor price used above
would drop to about $150.. but like I said before... that
price is very hard to believe.. and I would like to know
where I can get a 17" colour monitor and 16Meg of RAM for
$1100!

>
>Why only a 700, which runs at 25Mhz not 33? And why only the
>120 MB hard drive?
>Simple. The NeXT requires more resources to do all it does.
>Compare a 700 and a NSTC. The 700 appears & responds just as fast.
>NeXT advocates will respond that the NeXT is doing what it does
>via Display Postscript. True. Can't be argued. What can be
>argued is the usefulness: Unless you do DTP, display postscript
>is nice, but not much more than that.

Well.. how about adding in $3000 for a PostScript Level 2 laser
printer to the Mac.. but $1400 for the NeXT.. but I won't...

>Why the smaller hard drive? The same answer: resources. I can
>happily fit a good development system (Think C v5 + Think Pascal v4
>+ ResEdit + Apple Technical Notes + Hypercard), and a good
>word-processor (Word 5) and LOTS of other stuff on my 105 easily.
>I'm told by NeXT afficionados that to hold the development system
>alone requires 400+ MB.
>

		Rob
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