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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:40:09 -0600
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      A reply to J. Emmons on Nixon ...
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You are right, I do not like Richard Nixon much. I suspect that the
fact that "other Presidents did what he did, but just didn't get caught"
(paraphrasing Jim's comment) may be true, but he DID get caught - he lied to
Congress about what he knew when, he appeared to have involved himself in a
cover-up to obstruct justice, his minions (for whom he was responsible)
committed burglaries (not one, but at least two), dirty tricks (and though
this had been done before, I recall Segretti went prison for a short time
for his hijinks), lying under oath, and paying people to be silent about crimes
they had committed. To use a Bushism from this campaign, "Richard Nixon
displayed a pattern of disdain for the law, an attitude that he, as President,
was above the law, and a general disdain for the very persons he was elected
to serve." Admittedly, his "power-grubbing" IS indigenous to most politicians,
Nixon was just so blatent about it! No matter his achievements, which I grant
despite my dislike - the opening of the door to China WAS a great act - his
wrongdoing and overt attempts to subvert the law are what cause my dislike.
I perceive the Presidency as a symbolic office in addition to its practical
functional behaviors, and Nixon stained that symbol by his actions. Yes,
Jack Kennedy was a womanizer, LBJ made himself rich at the public trough (as
did Nixon, another bone of contention for me - misuse of funds), Ford was
a honest man in way over his head, Carter was an idiot with good intentions,
while Reagan and Bush seem to me tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum of the rich men
of this country, serving a small class to the cost of all others. For me,
even though I liked Kennedy, Truman was the last admirable President to sit
in the Oval Office. Richard Nixon was competent, but he was so flawed that
he really lowered the quality of the office by his behavior while sitting in
it. VMS
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:17:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

On Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:49:46 EST Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
> Well, Denis, at least we agree that the Apollo project is right up
> there with wheels and metal in the list of human achievements.

The Apollo project as part of the bigger picture of space
exploration, including the steps that went before, like manned
suborbital launches, &c. Our space exploration is up there with
wheels, metal -- and the flaking of flint, which perhaps was a
bigger step than the smelting of metal and space exploration.

> Its good to see you suddenly appreciating this country.  Warms my
> heart.

Say what? I thought we were talking about space exploration? I had
in mind really exciting (to me) developments like Telstar, Sputnik,
Willy Ley, Laika (is that correct?-- the space-going dog, Soviet,
of course), Werner von Braun, cosmonauts and astronauts. I can
appreciate US, Soviet, and Nazi contributions to the space effort
without thereby unquestioningly endorsing everything else about
US, Soviet, and Nazi society. Isn't that common sense?

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, USA
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:34:33 EST
From:         Steven H Silver <SHSILVER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: looking for mediaeval/renaissance mailing lists

Richard-

The Medieval History list is MEDIEV-L@UKANVM.BITNET.  Send the message
SUB MEDIEV-L (your name) to LISTSERV@UKANVM.BITNET to join.  There are
also medieval literature based networks at ANSAX-L@WVNVM.BITNET and
MEDTEXTL@UIUCVMD.BITNET.  To join either of these, send the same message
to the LISTSERV address at those institutions.

What are of Medieval history are you studying?  Feel free to reply
privately.

Steven H Silver               |         "When I get a little money, I
Indiana University            |         buy books; and if any is left,
SHSILVER@ucs.indiana.edu      |         I buy food and clothes."
SHSILVER@IUBACS.BITNET        |         -Erasmus:  In Praise of Folly
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:01:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: job at UMASS??

SOURCE: _AHA PERSPECTIVES_ (Nov. 1992) spelling of names verified.

United States. The University of Massachusetts/Amherst seeks
applicants for a tenure-track assistant professorship in 20th-
century U.S. political history beginning September 1, 1993.
Preference for post-1945. Duties include research and publishing
in 20th-century U.S. history and teaching graduate and undergraduate
courses on U.S. history. Ph.D. required. Teaching experience and
publications desirable but not required. Salary commensurate with
qualifications and experience. Applicants should send a letter of
application, c.v., and dossier to Professor Leonard Richards,
Dept. of History, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 by
December 15, 1992. The University of Massachusetts is an AA/EOE.
Applications from Minorities and women are especially welcome.

=====================================================================

America. The Department of History at Boston University has been
authorized to search for a historian of 20th-century America to begin
employment in September 1993. Candidates at the associate and full
professor level will be considered. Preference will be given to
candidates trained in political history. Applicants should send
letter of application, c.v., and letters of recommendation by
December 15, 1992, to Professor Thomas Glick, Chair, Search
Committee, Dept. of History, Boston University, 226 Bay State Rd.,
Boston, MA 02215. AA/EOE.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:00:37 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "22 November, A Day's Remembrance"
              22 Nov 1992 18:12:40 -0600 from <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>

Hey CDELL, both Eisenhower and Nixon were reelected "after FDR".

And here is a little tip.  Cynicism about politics was not born in the
wake of JFK's death.  It was alive and well at the time.  In fact, it is
an eternal facet of our political lives.

Cheer up.  Such morbidity is not healthy.

Lenny
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
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Subject: Re: Causes of famine.
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:58:43 GMT
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In article <01GRAORZA96O000IW1@orbsen.ucg.ie> Energy is eternal delight! <ECNROBINSON@ORBSEN.UCG.IE> writes:
> I'm interested in the Irish famine and particularily the views of the people
>on the list about Amartya Sen's analysis of the famine in terms of" exchange
>entitlements" and how well it applies to the" Great famine" as it is known
>here.He argued that famines are better explained by examining shifting market
>forces than by simple food shortfall;"Famine is a characteristic of some people
>not having enough to eat.It is not the characteristic of there being not enough
>to eat".
>        In the 1840's there was pototo disease all over Europe yet only Ireland
>has a famine.Climate as a main cause I think is superficial.For govts of the
>time and after,ideologically its more attractive to stress climate as it
>diminishes responsibility.The Malthusian idea of the structual weakness of
>society I think is better (population and overpopulation) and Sens idea that
>famine can be reated purely by the market and its distributions (in the case of
>a minor food shortfall that is).
>

It certainly is true that the Potato Famine was an artificial one
created by the British Government. Ireland was exporting grain, meat and
pork across the sea to Britain during the very years of the famine. The
Irish consumer depended on one food crop, the potato, because everything else  was going overseas! Had the British put the brakes on the runaway laissez-faire
system of mid-Nineteenth century England, much of the devastation would
have been considerably less. I recommend in particular two works by one
author, Prof. Joseph Hernon of UMass: _The Irish Experience_, copyright
1990, written with Lawrence McCaffrey; and an article on Charles
Trevelyan, the man in charge of directing food relief to the Irish country-
side, whose strict policies tied a bowl of soup to building the stone 
walls in the countryside (cited in the same book).

Chris
From: OMARTI@TIFTON.BITNET (Orville G. Marti)
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Subject: Theodore Roosevelt
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:34:55 GMT
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Can someone give me the name of a researcher (or institution such as a
Presidential library) specializing in the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt?
I need some very specific information about an incident in his term and I do
not know where to look.  Thanx.

************************************************************************

Orville G. Marti, Jr.       OMARTI@TIFTON               Dick Marti

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"...the world is not to be narrowed till it will go into the
understanding (which has been done hitherto), but the understanding is
to be expanded and opened till it can take in the image of the world."
       .....Francis Bacon        from        "The Parasceve"
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:41:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: NAS

On Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:18:32 EST Cal <PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> said:
> What you say about some people using the classroom as a bul           ly
> pulpit is, sadly, true.  But the practice is not limited to women, African-
> Americans, leftists in general.                                       vatives

I agree, I did not intend to claim that only "leftists"
(whatever that means --- not much --- in the American
context) propagandized in the classroom. Rather, I
claimed that the NAS was a response to a legitimate
problem. I am well aware of the party line that must be
toed to survive in Hillsdale College and St. John's
College, not to mention in the Econ Dep't of my own
institution.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
From: riilai@sara.cc.utu.fi
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Subject: info on historical journals needed
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:11:34 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

Hello everybody !

I would need some information about some American historical journals.

First.
My friend knows of two journals she would be interested in. Their names are
Aztlan and El Grito. She would like to know what they are like, and would like
to have their subscription addresses. So if there is anyone familiar with these
journals, please inform me and I'll pass the information on.

Second.
I would like to know the subscription address of New Mexico Historical Review
or/and some recommendations for other journals to subscribe. I am interested in
the history of the American Southwest, in the history of the American west in
general and in Native Americans (also contemporary issues) (and especially the
Navajo, the Apache ...and the rest of the southwestern tribes).

Thanks in advance for anyones efforts in helping us!

Riitta Laitinen
Student of history
University of Turku
Finland
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:35:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:30:25 EST Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
>
> Denis, do you feel that LBJ was aware that the indiscriminate killing
> of civilians was taking place?

I think he would be aware, since one could learn of what was
going on from TV news, newspapers, the NY Rev. of Books, and
other sources.
However, I am willing to grant the possibility that LBJ was
receiving government reports that denied that such was going
on, and that he chose to believe what he wanted to believe.

> Do you feel that this is what he wanted?

No -- I am pretty confident that he did not want the
indiscriminate killing of civilians. He may have
accepted such as the price that had to be paid for
his policies.

Denis -- Clemson
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:22:00 EDT
From:         PBRUSH@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

Lenny asks;

>Denis, what about Churchill, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower?  They took part
>in massive bombing of civilians.  Were they war criminals?

>If they were not, then how were they different from LBJ.

In 1964 LBJ ordered Operation Barrell Roll, the secret bombing
of Laos. Laos was a neutral country. Isn't it against international
law to bomb a country with which one is not at war? I realize the
Tonkin Gulf Resolution gave LBJ the authority to support our forces
in SE Asia, but the US waged the war in Laos secretly, always denying
that we were in Laos.

I suppose CIA operations abroad are often illegal, so to me it
seems criminal to order them, at least in a strict sense of the
word.

The difference is that Churchill, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower
bombed countries with which they were at war. LBJ sought (although
he could have achieved) no such declaration.

Peter Brush
PBRUSH@SNYESCVA
Empire State College
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:29:26 EST
From:         jay vegso <C133QMEA@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Theodore Roosevelt

I'm not sure if they will have anything of use for you, but you
may want to try the Wilcox Mansion in Buffalo, NY.  The Mansion deals
mostly with McKinley, but I hear also may have some info on Roosevelt.
    Wilcox Mansion
    641 Delaware Avenue
    Buffalo, NY 14202
    tel 716-884-0095
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:21:09 EST
From:         dave pretty <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness
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I cannot get too technical, but both dyslexia and lefthandedness are signs of
a less-than-usual separation of the two halves of the brain. Thus a tendency
for both to be a bit less channeled and a bit more confused, and with a greatly
increased chance to fully recover from a stroke.

I don't know about computer people, but I long ago noticed a tendency for
historians to be more lefty than the societal norm. Anyone else make this, or
the contrary, observation?

              dave pretty      st402747@brownvm
  a righty who wears his watch on his right hand, but it's a long story...
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:32:27 PST
From:         "Don W." <webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
Subject:      Speling
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Rushing to the aid of Carol Wheeler...

>Subj:  Re: Lefthandedness

>I am VERY right handed, and somewhat dyslexic (including spelling problems).
>Does this mean that I have a left handed soul, or that I'm as strange as
>people have been telling me?
>
>Carol E. Wheeler
>
>WHEELERC@CUA.EDU

Dunno about your soul or alleged strangeness, but if spelling
problems count toward dyslexia (sp?), we're all well on our way.

The problem is that everywhere except e-mail, misspellings are
taboo in the U.S., akin to belching in public or sticking out
one's little finger while drinking from a teacup.

Konsekwently (finger in my eye, there), people easily develop
feelings of inferiority about their "poor spelling," which is
understandable, given English spelling, when they're actually
*good* spellers, just not *great* spellers.  The great spellers
are the ones who can tell you at the drop of a hat which four
words end in -eed rather than -ede.  (Don't ask me!)  For the
rest of us, a relatively small number of words are "demons"
that keep coming back to haunt us.

Dyslexia can be a serious handicap that prevents one from
focusing on a word or line of print long enough to make out
what it says.

As far as lefthandedness is concerned, I'm somewhat mixed.
It took a while for me to learn to make N's with the crossbar
going from northwest to southeast rather than from southwest
to northeast.  And if I try to remember numbers, they often
come out backwards.  But I don't think I'm cixelsyd.

Take heart!

Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:39:06 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad
              15 Nov 1992 01:35:59 GMT from <crdunlea@RODAN.ACS.SYR.EDU>

The fact that Wilson was dyslexic is very interesting.  I had no idea
that this was the case.  This would seem to offer new insight into his
character and actions.

I wonder if any other presidents suffered from learning disabilities?
I think that LBJ was probably a borderline pshchotic for much of his
administration.

Lenny
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:48:04 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

     Lenny's comment on whether other Presidents than the dyslexic
Wilson may have suffered learning disabilities trails off into another
realm with his contention that LBJ may have been a borderline psychotic.
Perhaps so, though I think other presidents may well have fit that
description even more closely. But borderline psychosis is not a learning
disability. In fact, it may be something quite the opposite. That may
be one reason this list attracts educated people and unusual ideas.
     I guess I'm just FULL of scary thoughts today!

Tom Powers
The University of South Carolina at Sumter
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From:         Haidar Moukdad <CXYB@MCGILLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidential Dissabilities

There is no evidence that Dyslaxia is connected in any way to
lefthandness. It is just a coincidence that Wilson was dylaxic
and left-handed...
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From:         FELLBRIAN@URVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Lefthandedness
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>From: "Don W." <webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
>Subject:Lefthandedness
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:52:26 PST
>Message-ID:<00963CE1.E7E43800.11271@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>

>Was "Presidential Dissabilities" [sic(k)]
>
>>I am a leftie in all parts of my life ('cept baseball) and most of the lefties
> I
>>    know, myself included, have trouble with words and tend to inverse letters
> w
>>   hen we are writting,
>>
>>Giuliano "Lefties rule" Valentino WANNAKER@DAL1
>
>When I write left-handed, it's a mirror image of the way I write
>right-handed.  Anybody else notice this phenomenon?
>
>Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)

Dear Don w.
I find the exact same thing happens to me quite often.
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From: vancleef@netcom.com (Henry van Cleef)
Subject: Re: Presidents who studied abroad
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:36:50 GMT

In article <HISTORY%92112106225491@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> PBRUSH@SNYESCVA.BITNET writes:
>The difference is that Churchill, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower
>bombed countries with which they were at war. LBJ sought (although
>he could have achieved) no such declaration.
>
But, Peter, how do you view Operation Torch, the US invasion of Vichy
North Africa exactly fifty years ago.  None of the allies were at war
with Vichy, which was, at the time, a neutral nation with whom the US
had diplomatic relations.  

-- 
Hank van Cleef  vancleef@netcom.com vancleef@tmn.com  Andover, Mass.
Unix systems consultant---kernel, device drivers, networking, X11
SysV, BSD, Sun, Ultrix, AIX, SCO. Porting a specialty. 
	     The Union Institute  History of Science
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:32:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:02:45 EST Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
> Denis, why do you think that LBJ was a war criminal?  I'm serious.

First, note that I said that he was a BORDERLINE war criminal.
That is a qualifier, implying almost, or to some extent.
Since he, and other high-level policy-makers, were never tried,
the judgement is frought with politics. (I don't consider
Bertrand Russell's war crimes trial to be relevant.)

Now, as to the substance of the charge: I had in mind
policies that led to the indiscriminate killing and
wounding of noncombatants/civilians.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:20:38 EST
From:         Cal <PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
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If you want to ascertain epic status, I suggest you have to wait a while.
Say fifty years before enshrining John Wayne films as a national epic.
This last was not a grammatical error; there is no single Wayne film that
qualifies in the way that CITIZEN KANE might, or CASABLANCA.

I'm a poor judge of whether these latter are even candidates for National
Epichood since I teach in the area of film and my sample of the population
would be biased.  A question:  Do any fifty year old films resonate to
current twenty year olds not aspiring to go to Hollywood and get rich before
they are twenty five?

Cal Pryluck, Radio-Television-Film, Temple University, Philadelphia
<PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>  <PRYLUCK@TEMPLEVM>
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:19:43 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad
              20 Nov 1992 14:35:00 EST from <DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET>

Denis, what about Churchill, Roosevelt, and Eisenhower?  They took part
in massive bombing of civilians.  Were they war criminals?

If they were not, then how were they different from LBJ.

Lenny <still serious>
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