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From: Warren.Chou@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Chou)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Vol. vs. paid
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:16:00 -0800

-> Where I live Pennsylvania, most of the services are paid
municipal.
Where in Penn. so you live?  I know someone who works for a private
ambulance service, and he told me that they would take the majority of
EMS realted calls, with a FD firefighter riding along.
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:51:29 PST
From:         dcrape@CLN.ETC.BC.CA
Subject:      Re: Amber / Green lights

I don't know if this is any help but here in Fort Nelson, Canada they are
as follows:

Fire-Red
P.O.C.-Hazard lights
Ambulance-Red And White
Police-Red, White, Blue, Amber
Medics-Red
Tow Truck-Amber

Thats about it for things in my town.  I hope this helps.
==========================
        Darryl Crape Teacher Assistant
        Fort Nelson Secondary School
        Voice (604)-774-6958
        dcrape@cln.etc.bc.ca
==========================
From: Terry.Bell@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Terry Bell)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Young firefighters
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:40:00 -0800

JN|O|Don't get me wrong, I am not saying all minors should not be
allowed,
JN|O|but when our VFD allowed 18 year olds in instead of 21 year
JN|O|olds, that is when the quality of fire service started dropping.

If your quality of service did drop because of 18 year olds your
officers aren't doing their job. The agressiveness of youth, is a
wonderful attribute when added with the experience of older
veterans. But the real point is, EVERYONE MUST FOLLOW THE MASTER
PLAN of your Officer In Charge.

After a problem with an 18 year old many years ago, our bylaws
were changed to limit firefighters to "over 21". A few years
back, we were able to get the rules changed. We now allow 18 year
olds to be probationary firefighters with driving limited until
their 21 st birthday (Insurance Carrier Rule). Following that we
have instituted a Junior Firefighter program for youths 14-16,
and 16-18. The firefighters that have moved up through this
program have been assets to the department and the community.

From my experience, I can tell you it isn't easy. Our biggest
problems at first came from sons of Officer's. After years of
hanging around the firehouse they knew enough to get into
trouble. Keeping them seperate from regular firefighters, and
strict discipline has kept things under control. Hard work has
not diminished any enthusiams yet!

Our purpose with the youth is to PREPARE THEM TO BE FIREFIGHTERS
as they mature, WHILE WE DO OUR JOB NOW. Volunteer or Career,
we must be professional in the management of our business!
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Subject: Re: Hazard lights on emergenc
Reply-To: kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kenneth R Aron)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:47:17 GMT

While we're on the subject of idiots not getting out of the way
of emergency vehicles,  I seem to remember that a couple of
months ago I saw a news story on NYC*EMS ambulances being
equipped with cameras mounted above the rear-view mirror so the
driver could photograph the plate of a car not getting out of the
way.  The NYPD was then going to issue a summons based on the
ambulance drivers photo.   Does anyone know what became of this
test program?

Ken

Kenneth R. Aron                 NYS EMT-Defibrillation            | |  / /
kra@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu      Columbia Area Volunteer Ambulance | |/ / 
                                Columbia University, NYC          | |\ \
"EMTs do it with patience"                                        | |  \ \
From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: RE: Working??
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:19:00 -0800

GV> Paul,
GV>         I have been trying to get on your board for about 2 days
now.  It
GV> is really busy and when it does ring it just rings and rings with
no
GV> answer.  Do you run your BBS at a specific time??  Thanks..
George:
Since Tuesday  I've been working on repairing the computer since it
crashed on me.. And the board is up 24/24 a day..
It was only down part of monday and tuesday... But now it's up and
running
fine so keep trying you'll get on sooner or later.

Paul..  
 
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From: schira@ab.wvnet.edu (John Schira, PA-C)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Research Project --->> HELP! <<---
Date: 15 Nov 92 06:55:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ab.1992Nov15.115534.702
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

I am a physician assistant doing graduate work in Emergency Medicine. My
research thesis is on computer literacy and use among Emergency Department
physicians and physician assistants.

After a literature search I am unable to find any citations that detail 
actual computer literacy rates among this group, or among docs in general.

Are there any Medical-Netters out there who have any relevant information
or sources I could investigate?

Your input is MUCH appreciated. Thanks.

John Schira
schira@ab.wvnet.edu
From: Dwayne.Rich@p20.f1000.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Dwayne Rich)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Looking....
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:51:04 -0800

In a message of <Nov 18 00:11>, Susie Rowan (1:129/190.2@fidonet)
writes:  
 SR>friend who is looking for the address. Thanks for yer help!  And
what 
 SR>any 
 SR>of you think about women being firefighters?? Just a thought!


        I'll tell you what I think about people being firefighters.  If
they do 
it because they enjoy the work or wish to help the community and are
willing to 
take orders and do all of the jobs then the person should apply.  If
they don't 
then they should look elsewhere.  This is not a job that "Well it beats
plumbing 
for a living" (I wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard a similar
comment).  
My comment is for anyone considering the fire service.  I currently work
with 
both men and women in the fire service. A couple of the men & women I
work with 
I wouldn't kick a hog in the a*& for the sorry job they do.  A couple of
the men 
& women I work with are priceless, they care about their job and try to
help 
people.  They do everything asked (within reason of course).  I
currently have a 
fairly new female working for me (about 15 months fire experience).  If
all 
firefighters shared the attitude that she has it would be great.  She
has a 
desire to learn how to do things instead of "I am putting in my time
when can I 
get promoted".


Dwayne
  


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From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Echolist
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:05:04 -0800

Gary...

15 Nov 92, Gary Reardon writes to Ed Mccormick:

 GR> As a step in that direction, EmergNet is willing to carry any echo
(no
 GR> matter what net it originates from) related to emergency services.
More &
 GR> more networks emerging will only dilute the existing user base and
force
 GR> then to choose which ones to carry so they don't have to make
multiple LD
 GR> calls. EmergNet also has the capabilities to gate any echo, with
 GR> sufficient usage, to the Fido bacbone (as we do now with CRASH, EMS
&
 GR> SAR).

Got an info file on EmergNet up for FREQing?

Rick

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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: fire department monop
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:05:33 GMT


 -=> Quoting James Ackerman to All Private Ambulance Par <=-

 JA> I am a five year paramedic working for Shepard LifeFleet in
Tacoma,
 JA> WA.  I am also a strong Union advocate.  Due to the recent budget
 JA> crisis nation wide, we here in the Pacific Northwest are seeing
the
 JA> fire department expand into areas of ALS and patient transport
 JA> traditionally help by my company, forcing people out of work.
Here in Nashville, the FD taking over EMS has resulted in quicker
response,
better service, better care, and has just been a win win situation.
The Private services are for the most part a poor excuse for a
ambulance
service, providing Con services only.  THIS IS IN NASHVILLE, I am not
speaking for any other part of the country.  
    My experience with private services has been owning one, here in 
Nashville.  The places I have seen that have either FD EMS services, 
or Government EMS services, have all seem to be efficient services,
keeping in mind that all systems have their faults.

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From: Karl.Hendry@f35.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Karl Hendry)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Dispatch Software - where
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:30:11 -0800

JC>From: JesseWest@cup.portal.com (jesse c newcomb)

JC>I am helping a small town in their quest for a PC-based dispatch
system,
JC>and wonder if anyone out there has a line on such software. I'd like
to
JC>find something multi-user, if it exists. Does anyone have ideas on
where
JC>to look?

        Look into a company called EAI systems. I understand their
fairly versatile in their approach. They do advertise in magazines like
Jems, Emergency, EMS, and other related material.

                                                              
      
                                                              
      
                                                               
      
  DeLuxe/386 1.12 #3884  I'm not an MD and I don't play one on TV.
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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: fireman@wam.umd.edu (Aaron Joseph Peterson)
Subject: Re: Dispatch - Software
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:15:56 GMT

In article <722368316.AA21828@remote.halcyon.com> Jim.Limmer@f110.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Limmer) writes:
> GV> Jesse,
> GV>         If you are still interested in a FREE? 
> GV> dispatching system write me and let me know.  It 
> GV> involves tieing a computer into your radio and from 
> GV> there with Quick Basic you can simulate fire tones.  I 
> GV> have done this allot and have FUN with it.  It has a 
> GV> 50/50 chance of working but a penny saved is penny 
> GV> earned.  Write me back.
>
>ive done this before with turbo pascal, but i cant quite figure out how
>to hook up my radio.. ive hooked up my speaker output to the mike input,
>but i doesnt seem to work.. any suggestions?
>
>-Jim
>
>
> * Origin: The Hub Killingworth, CT  14.4 HST (1:141/110)
>
The speaker output is a high level output ( a couple of volts) and the mic
input is looking for a low level input (microvolts) you need some sort of
attenuation (like a resistor). The easiest way to do this would be to buy
an attenuator from Radio Shack. They sell 2 models, One is a cord with a 
connector at each end (I forgot which ones) the other model has a mini
phono plug on one end and an rca jack on the other (about 2 inches long).
Both are colored RED!

Can someone E-mail me the dispatching software?
fireman@wam.umd.edu
Aaron J. Peterson FFIII (National Reg.), Hazmat II, EmT-A, Nice Guy
From: Robert.Ogletree@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Ogletree)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: hazard lights on emer
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:34:00 -0800

 EJ> I've also noticed that more and more states are going with a
 EJ> regulation that horns, siren speakers, and other noise makers must
be
 EJ> removed from the roof of the vehicle (ie- mounted in the grill or
 EJ> bumper area). It's supposed to cut down on hearing damage to those
who
 EJ> ride in emergency vehicles, not to mention making radio
communications
 EJ> less aggrivating.

Not to mention those "Cross-fire" lights hitting traffic in the
rear-view mirror comes in real handy for clearing traffic.


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From: Joe.Nicholson@f123.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Nicholson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Amber / Green lights
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:37:47 -0800

     *** You thus spoke:

MPR> What are your state laws regarding amber and green lights?

California -- amber is a warning light.  Green is not permitted.

MPR> How many departments have amber lights on their POV's with red,
blue,

Not permitted on POV's.  They are not recognized as emergency vehicles.

MPR> Green is used by security agencies in the Cincinnati area....

The FAA is cracking down on vehicles with green lights, since it is
an internationally recognized color for airports.

In California, blue is reserved exclusively for law enforcement
vehicles,
which also display red and amber.  Red and amber are also used on fire
apparatus and ambulances.

Notice that red is the common color for emergency vehicles and must be
yielded to in California.  Amber is added because it can be seen at a
greater distance and penetrates fog better than red (or blue).


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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: thurs_j@fog.cs.odu.edu (Jason Thurston)
Subject: Re: Gif's of Fire Stations an
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:41:18 GMT

Does anyone know how to access a fidonet site from a normal internet
connection? I am interested in getting hold of the fire/rescue GIFs on
the Whistle Stop. Thanks in advance for any replies.
						--Jason 
==============================================================================
|  Jason Thurston                       |  thurs_j@cs.odu.edu                |
|  Firefighter III/EMT-A                |____________________________________|
|  City of Chesapeake Fire Department    \ Dial 911, make a firefighter come!| 
|  Dumfries-Triangle Rescue Squad          \We haven't lost a foundation yet!|
|  Electrical Engineering (for now!)         \ Paramedics save lives...      |
|  Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va., USA  \   EMTs save paramedics...   |
==============================================================================
From: deglop@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Ambulance Cert
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:47:09 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

In article <Nov.20.09.21.24.1992.4590@pilot.njin.net> mla@pilot.njin.net (Marc L. Appelbaum) writes:

>All ambulances in the US must be either a Type I,II, or III.  These
>are the box rigs with a passthru and w/oa passthru and Vans.  These
>are the only DOT ambulances.

Again, the requirements may vary by state since the federal government
is out of the ambulance specs business.  The DOT KKK specs only apply
to ambulances purchased by the government.  

You have your types a little mixed up.  A type I is a pickup truck
chassis with a box.  There is no walkthrough, just a little window.
A type II is a converted van, usually extended in length and height
but not in width.  A type III is a box on a van chassis, with a 
walkthrough.  I'm not sure what things like the new units we're
seeing built on International medium truck chassis are called, if
anything.

  

-- 
         Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton (MD) Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
"Well as through this life I've rambled I've seen lots of funny men
 Some will rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen." -- Woody Guthrie
From: Rob.Farmer@f520.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Farmer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Code 99
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 11:21:28 -0800

    There seems to be so many EMS services using "codes" anymore.  On
our department, we have only one "code".  When we pronounce someone in
thier home, we advise the dispatcher that we have a Code-1.  Other than
that, we tell them that:  CPR is in progress, we have an arrest,
firefighter down, send the police, etc...
    Often it is said that codes prevent the "scanning" public from
knowing what is going on.  However, anyone can get a list.  What's the
matter with speaking plain, but brief, english?
    How long does it take to train a new guy 60 different codes?  Too
long!  Especially if he needs something quick!

    Of course, this is just an opinion, and it is formed from the
environment in which I work.  But it is something to think about.
Usually, our job is hard enough.  Why make it anymore difficult that it
needs to be.

    Rob Farmer, FF/P
    IAFF Local 1521


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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Afa training..
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:31:00 -0800

WJV||NJFAC member squads are "supposed to" adhere to basic level of
training
   ||(EMT-A & CPR).  If they don't fall under the NJFAC, then they will
abide t
   ||the NJ Dept. of Health regs.  This was, as I remember it, a
compromise agr
   ||to.  I believe OEMS has no power to make any regs. The political
powers al
   ||NJFAC to oversee the Volunteer Squads. I believe the Fed. Highway
Safety A
   ||(1974??) started the ball rolling.

Actually, The Commissioner of Health does have the authority. The
problem has been that the people who have occupied that office have
chosen, for varying reasons, to not exercise that authority. The
Department of Health has Administrative authority over all health
related professions, including EMT's and Medics.

As for the NJFAC, I can think of at least 7 squads off the top of my
head, who are members of the Council and do not abide by the minimum
standards. Haven't for years and the Council has neither taken or
attempted to take any type of action on the issue.

The sad part is that the ones who will wind up taking the brunt of the
effects of this lack of regulation is the public>


Regards,

KMA

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From: Jack.Still@p3.f211.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Still)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Cpr Standards
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:41:53 GMT

In a message on <Nov 17 23:31>, Wayne Ashworth of 1:379/308@FIDONET
writes:

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From: Joe.Noel@f4.n3805.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Noel)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: VOULUNTEER FD AND LIGHTS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:07:04 -0800

 > in texas an emergency vehicle must display red lights to the front
and
 > have a siren (audible to some distance that escapes me) in order to
"be
 > exempt" from traffic laws, such as speed limits, maintaing a single
lane
 > of traffic, red lights, stop signs, ect.  texas state law does not
allow
 > "code 2"  or lights only/no siren driving, although it happens many
 > times.  volunteer firefighters/ems personnel answering an alarm are
 > considered emergency vehicles.
 > chris
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

Unmarked police vehicles are exempt from this requirement as to lights
and siren combination. Also, Texas State Law does not FORBID code 2, it
does not say it is illegal.  There are several ways to interpret the
Texas laws.  Our department contacted the local DPS office, who in turn
got a clarification from Austin on this.  You can run lights only, with
no siren in Texas legally, BUT you have to obey laws. All code 2 in
Texas is for is to "ASK others to yield to you".  As long as you are in
an Emergency Vehicle, which in Texas includes Volunteer Firefighters,
and Emergency Medical Personnel's personall vehicles, you are authorized
the use of Red Lights to the front as long as they are placed as high
and as wide as possible.  Another section completely refers to sirens
and exceeding the speed limit.

My father was a policeman in Pomona California.  Thier department would
take all new officers, on one of thier first code 3 runs, they would log
the starting place of the run, destination, starting time, and ending
time.  Later that shift, they would start him from the same spot. 
Driving "code 1", would respond to the same location.  In 99.9% of the
runs, the response time was within just a few seconds, and almost always
less than 1 minute difference. Many times, the code 1 response was
actually faster.

The only thing I have found Red lights good for is to draw attention to
the driver.  I have NEVER had a driving complaint on me while running
code 1, BUT with red lights, have had people call in and complain when
driving MUCH slower than without lights!  I personally use mine after
arriving at the scene for traffic control and warning lights!

Joe






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From: Charles.Detwiler@p2.f190.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Charles Detwiler)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Intro......
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:39:32 -0800

Hello out there..I just wanted to say I'm new here and wanted to
introduce 
myself.
           My name is Charles Detwiler, and I've been with a V.F.D. for
a 
few years now, I'm basic Firefighting certified, Basic Vehicle Rescue, 
Special Vehicle Rescue, and Rope Rescue.  So drop me a line and say hi.
 
--Charles

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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Program
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:59:00 -0800

CD||Just wondering if anyone out there knows of a good program that
would
  ||satisfy all the paperwork requirements of a V.F.D.  It would need to
do
  ||rosters and be able to enter the calls and maintain equipment svcing
dates
  ||and personnel training dates, mebbe even be able to generate your
fund
  ||raising events and letters and all.  Thanks

Charles,

You might be better off getting one of the Menu driven relational
Database programs on the market. They are fairly simple to configure
and
you get exactly what you want in your record-keeping. Most of these
have
the ability to generate form letters and export merge file for the
various word processing programs. The relational ones and share data
between dbf files so you would only have to build one master file of
you
membership and link it to the ones you need for various record-keeping
functions. A few are also quite inexpensive.


Regards,

KMA

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