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From: ledogar@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Charles Ledogar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:58:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
>when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
>oxygen to support combustion.
>Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.
>
>Peter

I'm sure the true answer to this lies somewhere in sci.space or
something.  However, I'll match your 2 cents and raise you 2:

I've always figured such neat explosions are justifiable because
there's plenty of oxygen on board the ship.  Maybe for life support,
maybe for ion warp quastmoplactic thermodrives, whatever.
Note how the explosions sort of billow out then cut short pretty
suddenly, as if the oxygen supply were exhausted.  Or at least,
pretend to notice... it makes the flick more enjoyable.

Related theory: explosions -would- make a sound in space because
they would produce a rapidly expanding blob of ex-ship-material 
dust.  Once this blob reached your ears (pretty quickly if the 
explosion was wicked enough), your eardrums would rattle.  Or
the hull of your own vessel would.

Considering how scientifically accurate ST:TNG tries to be, and
that those guys show us similar explosions, this might be right.

---Charlie Ledogar
ledogar@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

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From: s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Damien Binding)
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:55:45 GMT


If Ben knew that Luke was the only person who could stop Vader he gave HIS OWN
sword to Luke to try and get him to become a Jedi!
From: goldader@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeffrey D. Goldader)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars Soundtracks
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:33:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <92203.135902EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (BIG ED) writes:
>
>     Well, I finally got my hands on the Gephardt version of "Empire" on 
>CD. Finding this CD has set off a spark in me. I'm determined to find out 
how I can get some of this missing music from soundtracks on CD.
> [deleted]
>     I guess I got so fed up with it last week, that I wrote a letter to Poly-
>Gram and told them a thing or two. I did it rather tactful, so I'm hoping for
>a response soon. Anybody have a good reason why this masacre occured?
>
>                                     -Ed

Don't hold your breath.  I did the same thing last year and didn't get
a response.  I even called them first to ask to which department I
should send the letter.

The only thing I can figure is that someone near New York could call
them up and get the name of a real person to whom we could write,
or even talk to said person.

What I think would be really nice is a boxed set of 2 CDs from 
each film, 6 in all, with all the music PolyGram can get its hands 
on, all nicely remastered.  With the 10th anniversary of Jedi
coming next year, I think it would sell well.  Heck, they could number
the boxes or something, make it a collector's item, and sell them for
some obscene price, $100 or something.  I'd snarf up one instantly.
PolyGram's really blowing a beautiful marketing opportunity.

-Jeff Goldader				"Ren & Stimpy '92
goldader@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu		 Make it happen, America!"
From: nab4574@summa.tamu.edu (Neil Alan Burleson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:00:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul31.131334.3311@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes...
> 
>I do remember when I was very young seeing a t-shirt that said
>"Darth Vader Lives," and I thought to myself something like
>"nah-- his ship was way out of control. He'll be dead in the
>next movie." Doesn't seem like I would've thought this after seeing
>the initial theatrical release if it included a stabilization shot...
> 
That's funny. I was about 8 yrs old when I saw ANH and _I_ remember
thinking to myself (in my youthful ignorance) that the next movie might
open up with Darth Vader singlehandedly attacking the throne room in 
his TIE fighter.

Just to add to the other side of the argument.

>-- 
>aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  *  Dan Dooovall  *  Zone Czar
+------------------------+------------------------+-------------------+
| Neil Burleson   Texas A&M Univerity,  College Station, Texas  USA   |
+------------------------|     neilb@tamu.edu     |  nab4574@tamzeus  |
                         +------------------------+-------------------+
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       blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him."  -- Psalm 34:8
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From: is430a13@umbc5.umbc.edu (is430a13)
Subject: Dark Empire
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:01:27 GMT


Can anybody tell me anything about the "Dark Empire" comic series? I've heard
it mentioned but havent seen it in the traditional comic outlets, unless I'm
missing something. Is this a special "novel like" comic series like the
"Dark Knight" series? Can anyone tell me where it can be ordered from? Thanks!
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Death Star II (was Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.)
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:48:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Jul24.103955.8494@cs.ruu.nl> mmhazewi@cs.ruu.nl (Maarten Hazewinkel) writes:

>As for the DS2 shield, this was apparently of an extraordinary powerful
>variety, requiring planet (moon) based machinery. The DS2 might eventually
>have gotten an equivalent shielding power, if it had been completed.

One interesting thought here - I had always assumed that the
Death Star 2 /was/ completed - they built the weaponry, the
computer cores, left off the hyperdrive, had the planetary
sheild, and used an incomplete spaceframe _intentionally_ - the
whole thing was a trap for the Rebel Armada. The Palpatine is so
damn smug when he says "... the awsome power of this _fully
operational space station_!" (or thereabouts), I'd assumed that
was his plan all the way along.

Of course, once the Armada had been destroyed they could have
finished it... but if the Alliance was destroyed, would they even
need to? >:)

Joshua

"Why is it you get formal when you're about to say something stupid?"
    / _ \                                - Princess Leia, Dark Empire #4
   |=(_)=|  jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca
    \   /   Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Font
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:57:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul22.235715.259
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <21JUL199215484816@rosie.uh.edu> elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (POWER-PILL) writes:

>In article <iacovou.711749554@gurney>, iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Danny Iacovou) writes...
>> 
>>  Does anyone know what font they used to write "Star Wars" with. I mean
>>  the font that ties the letters together (know what I mean?).
>> 
>>  Thanks in advance.
>>--
>	Its called the "Star Wars" font
>
>					Dan



Actually, the font is a variation on Futura, or a very similiar typeface.
The letters ebing tied together was done by the art department...I think
there is a place that advertises in different catalogs from time to time
that offers fonts from different movies/shows....sorry, I do not know right
off, but *IF* if see it again, I will be happy to post it....

Dave
From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:33:34 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Jul26.213441.11@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>In <1992Jul25.162300.230@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>
>>
>>I was just reading ANH again and began to thing back to the movie.  Does Aunt
>>Beru actually know where Luke came from?  I mean in the movie she says some-
>>thing to Uncle Owen to the extent of, "Luke can't stay here forever you know.
>>Most of his have gone."  Then Owen says, "I'll make it up to him next year.  I 
>>promise."  Then she replies with a half-smile.  "He's just not a farmer, Owen. 
>>He has too much of his father in him." Then Owen replies quietly, "I know, 
>>that's just what I'm afraid of." 
>>
>>Correct me if I'm off the mark, but Owen seems to be real concerned for Luke 
>>by making up all these excuses to keep him on Tatooine and away from his ultima
>>te destiny, while Beru sides with Luke thinking it's just a dream he wnats to
>>fulfill, to be a pilot like his father.  Can anyone clarify this for me (even 
>>if it is a FAQ).
>>
>>--Blitz                                  "I'm out of it for a while and
>>                                          everybody gets delusions of 
>>                                          grandeur."
>>                                                     --Han Solo
>
>
>
>Hmmmm. I never looked at it like that, but after seeing/reading all three
>films/books, that really does make sense. I suppose that Ben could have
>told Owen what had become of Luke's father, to the point of becoming Darth
>Vader, or maybe just working for the Emperor....
>
>Dave


Or maybe Ben just said that Anakin died in the fight against the
empire. I don't think that Owen would have supported The Cause.

-- 
---------------------
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Star Wars - The Missing Parts 
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:41:30 GMT

While watching CBS news last night, they had a story on studios 
releasing new versions of old movies with previously cut out scenes
in them.  In particular they talked about Star Trek I, Fatal Attraction,
and Singing in the Rain.  The video/laserdisc releases of Star Trek I
contain 12 more minutes of original footage; a new release of Fatal 
Attraction has both the old ending ( bathtub scene ) and a new ending
where she commits suicide; Singing in the Rain has a scene with a new
song added to it. Primarily CBS explored the effect on fans having their
movie changed ( none seemed to mind ) and how it affected sales ( they rose ).

What *if* they release Star Wars with the missing parts that everyone
swears they saw! 
 
Of course this raises the question, which CBS didn't explore, about what is
cannon.  Is the first release the one we should all refer to or the extended
version? ( Supposing they differ in some major way that gives ride to debate
such as seeing the Enterprise D in the battle at Endor as opposed to a Nike :)

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From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Stop this SW vs ST crap!
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:54:13 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul15.170322.11266@stsci.edu>, gallim@corona.stsci.edu (Jack Gallimore) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul15.111538.1962@merrimack.edu>, desmondw@merrimack.edu writes:
> |>     Enough with this Star Wars vs Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica,STNG
> |> crap. It was fun the first 50 posts or so but its getting out of hand.
> |> I dont mind a few posts but 9 out of 10 are talking about this. Enjoy
> |> Star Wars for what it is. Who cares who can beat who. Its childish.
> |> Put it to rest. Its dead already. Lets get back to the earlier discussions.
> |> 
> 
> 
> It amazes me how many News users don't know about all of the wonderful
> features, such as local and global kill.  You don't want to read it,
> you don't even have to see it!
> 
> As far as I could tell, the Net is for people to talk about whatever 
> they wish.  How much are you paying for your services?  It certainly
> costs you nothing to kill headlines you don't like.
> 
> As far as childish, of course it's childish! This is a Star Wars group
> for crying out loud!  It's not the Analysis-of-dreary-imagery-in-Kafka
> newsgroup!
> 
> Last I checked, shouting "Stop this crap" was pretty childish, too.
> 
> Just my $0.02 (1972 pennies).
> 
> ---Jack
	
	Here to add my own 2 cent:

	If this is so popular of an idea (and it certainly looks like it)
perhaps a new newsgroup should be formed....just an idea.

		Rob "Woodchip" Horning
From: lance@daedalus.bio.uci.edu (Lance Palmer)
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:13:33 GMT

In article <1bO702v41cEF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
>In article <weRti3m00VIGNgNJUI@andrew.cmu.edu> rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Edward Timlin) writes:
>>
>>     I know I'm tempting fate here, but...
>>
>>     Does anybody else think that the bit where ol' Darth stabilizes his
>>spinning fighter at the end of ANH and zooms off was ADDED at some point after
>>the initial release(s)? I recall being surprised to see it. But I'm not one to
>>blindly trust 15 year old "memories". Anybody know for sure?
>>
>>                                                  -Robb Timlin
>>                                                   rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
>
>Well, my SRAMS may have taken a few single bit errors over the past decade, but I'm
>pretty sure that scene was there all along.
>
>
>On a markedly different topic:  Where in the trilogy did Luke first come face to face
>with Vader?  I know Ben told Luke that a young Jedi named Darth Vader had killed Luke's
>father, but did Luke know what Vader LOOKED LIKE?  Poor Luke witnessed Kenobi get cut
>down by Vader on the DS, but is there any particular reason Luke KNEW who that tall
>black dude was?  What this question leads up to is Luke's apparent familiarity with
>Vader in ESB -- so familiar (in a disgusted, hating way) that his face-to-face encounter
>with Vader made them SEEM like close, yet bitter, enemies.  However, the only other
>"encounter" Luke had had with Vader was the ghostly apparition on Dagaboh, during
>Luke's Jedi training.
>
>--
>Barry Holsinger       | I ain't git'n et by no gators to make my wage!
>Sunnyvale, CA         | There are better ways to make a buck in dis
>beh10@DUTS.amdahl.com | nutty town!!  -Ralph Snart
Hey, I've never met George Herbert Walker Bush, but if I ever see him live I would no what he looks like because I,ve seen pictures of him.  Many leaders throughout the world have pictures of themselves up on billboards etc, so I'm sure luke would have seen pictures of Vader.  If not he's surely to have heard a description.  There aren't too many tall figures in a black costume running around with a light saber.

			Lance E Palmer

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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:46:53 GMT

In article <9220314.17484@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>OK. I'll concede this. But this tactic could be implemented once the Imperials
>figure out how to detect ships travelling at warp speed. (IMHO, this would be
>a trivial problem for the Empire, once Imperial ships have encountered Fed
>ships a few times.)
>

The imperials won't figure out how to detect warp ships quickly.  They have
to posit about new physics principles, and design experiments to verify them.
The Manhattan Project was more engineering than physics, and still took years.

Detecting ships travelling at warp speed will be only slightly helpful if 
they still do not have a way to shoot at them (Starfleet general order 
number twenty-four will take longer as a series of warpspeed passes, but it
can still be done).

With the equivalent of a university on every major combatant, and a copy of a
hyperdrive in the holodeck (that may require some effort, depending on the
source) the feds will quickly jury-rig their own, and figure out how to paste
helpless hyperspatial imperials.  The feds will also be able to do this with
equipment that is already aboard the ship.

On the other hand, once the imperials figure out how to detect warp ships, and
how to engage them, ALL imperial warships will have to undergo a complete
sensor and weapon refit which will take years; although, they may actually have
the time.  The imperials will then have to learn how to fight at FTL, the
HARD WAY, by experience.   Even worse, the only way to test the abilities of
the new weapons will be to use them against warp capable ships, telemetry
recovery could be a problem.
From: setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: klaatu
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:30:20 GMT
Organization: the can

Well, I can help you out with the origin of 'klaatu' anyways.  It's from
"The Day The Earth Stood Still" and is one of three words needed to be
uttered to stop Borg(?) a crazy robot.  I belive the sequence is klaatu,
niktow, barada.  Not so coincidentally, those are the names of our three
Unix machines at canisius.  (I'm on niktow)

hope that helps!

john

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Han Solo Blooper
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:07:02 GMT


In a previous article, hetz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Joseph Hetz) says:

>	Also, the Ugnaughts remove his handcuffs but leave his shoulder
>restraint on.  What happened to these when he thawed out?  Did Princess Leia
>have the key?  Doubt it!

Well, if you want an explanation, (besides "they goofed") how about
this:  The cuffs were made out of carbonite.  It is not unreasonable
to think that perhaps all sorts of things were made out of carbonite
and used to hold things in place when they were frozen.  That way,
they remain stationary, but when the block is "thawed", the restraints
are thawed with it.

Saves unwrapping, that way.

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: When does book 3 of Zahn's "Heir..." trilogy come out?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Jul27.183523.13911@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:39:03 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:35:23 GMT, cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey) said:


cuscd> there's so much government turmoil going on in the Republic,
cuscd> how can they refocus themselves into destroying Thrawn and
cuscd> reforming a galactic unity ???

cuscd> Lets start a thread on the possibilities...

Who says there has to be galactic unity? They can foul Thrawn's plans,
and give the Empire a bloody nose, and have it end like that. Then
there can be another set of books, and another, and another.........

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
Summary: well.....
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:13:02 GMT
Organization: the can

In article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
> If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
> when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
> oxygen to support combustion.
> Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.
> 
> Peter

For that matter, since space is a vacuum, you shouldn't be able to HEAR the
explosions, but I would think you should be able to see them (you can see
stars and supernovas and they are nothing but gas explosions....I think)

I suppose that's why they tacked on the fiction after science :)

john
From: jimn@phred.UUCP (Jim Nevermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Wind-up AT-AT sought
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: jimn@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control

I'm looking for a boxed, un-built, wind-up AT-AT kit. The larger NON-wind-up kits are available all over the Seattle area, but the kind I'm looking for are just not to be found here. I'm not a "collector" as such and won't/can't pay the exorbitant price of a few sources I've contacted... so I continue to look elsewhere.

Could some kind soul please suggest a few reasonably priced sources? Thanks in advance, and please post directly to the net.
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:19:37 -0400 
From: Robert Edward Timlin <rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Death Star's gun

jms20@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Sully) writes:

>but it could also be an ILM SPECIAL EFFECT!!!!

Nah, I thought it was documentary footage!

:-)

Sheesh, thought I'd get some discussion out of that question. Oh well, my
mistake.

                                                   -Robb Timlin
                                                    rt16@andrew.cmu.edu
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Date: 30 Jul 1992 15:50:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul30.044616.24738@newsroom.utas.edu.au> U920487@postoffice.utas.edu.au (David Allingham) writes:
>
>At the start of _A New Hope_ when 3PO and R2 are walking along a corridor in the 'diplomatic'
>spacecraft, a white 3PO is seen walking behind them for a few seconds.

No that's the SILVER one.
The white one is white, not metallic.

-joshuali@usc.edu

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From: elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (DANIEL)
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.045545.21162@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Damien Binding) writes...
> 
>If Ben knew that Luke was the only person who could stop Vader he gave HIS OWN
>sword to Luke to try and get him to become a Jedi!

	Then what would Ben use to fight Vader?
dan
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From: s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Damien Binding)
Subject: Re: Ben's Age
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:12:37 GMT

I am not an expert on thre Force, but l would say you don't actually use the
force, but you become one with the force,(or vise versa) as the force is
everything. Wouldn't this help keep your age?
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