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From: nad@cl.cam.ac.uk (Neil Dodgson)
Subject: Re: Maps for any game (Addition to map command)
Reply-To: Neil.Dodgson@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:39:28 GMT

Russell Vincent writes:
>I have made an addition to the MAP command on the Durban Judge.
>
>You can now send a LIST output of any game (on any judge) and it will 
>produce a map of that game for you.

I tried this for CHAOS games `everyone' on the eff judge and `iona' on
the washington judge.  They came back perfect (apart from there being
too many powers to list on the page in `everyone' :-)

Trying "map everyone" on the eff judge itself produces a blank map.

Thanks to Russell for providing a way to map Chaos games automagically :-)

Neil
====

For those who missed Russell's article, the way to get a map of any
game is to send the output from the list <gamename> command to
judge@za.ac.und.shrike with the first line: "map *" or "map * n"

e.g.:

map * n
<output from list <gamename>>
<all of it :->


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From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Re: Washington Judge Down?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:59:16 GMT

In article <C1JHGu.2nK@ecf.toronto.edu> lokendr@ecf.toronto.edu (LO KENDRICK) writes:
>I get the same problem too.  I have been expecting some results yesterday
>and I have also sent a couple of things recently in which I've got no
>reply.  Anybody know whether or not the problem is being looked into?

  The "problem" is due to Ken adjusting a large number of site IDs to prevent
problems with supposedly duplicate site IDs when they really aren't. The
judge had to run through all the fixes and then through all the mail.
*Then* it'll get to resolving moves.

  The EFF judge will be undergoing a similar process over the next few days,
though we're going to try to break it down into smaller chunks.

-David



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From: Michael.Norrish@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Norrish)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy in Middle Earth
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Victoria Uni. of Wellington, NZ.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:09:27 GMT

Just one correction to make to the file I sent out; I now have a
proper authorship attribution to make. The first paragraph of the file
I sent reads:


>                                   HARDBOP DOWNFALL
> Hardbop downfall is based on coolbop downfall which in turn was
> based on a set of original downfall rules by John Norris and Glover
> Rogerson.


It should be corrected to something along the lines of:

-                   HARDBOP DOWNFALL 
-Hardbop Downfall was designed by James and Mark Nelson, and is a
-revision of Coolbop Downfall, which was designed by Mark Nelson and
-Iain Bowen. This was in turn based on a set of original Downfall rules
-by John Norris and Glover Rogerson.

Mark has also let me know that a revision of the Hardbop rules is
under way, so the rules I posted won't be current for very long.

Cheers,
Michael.
From: mauht@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr A Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: map
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:47:29 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Keywords: copyright


In article <vincent.606.727640126@cc.und.ac.za>, vincent@cc.und.ac.za 
(Russell Vincent) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.050742.7090@infodev.cam.ac.uk> js138@cus.cam.ac.uk 
(John Sloan) writes:
|> 
|> >What is the copyright status on the actual map?  I have an ascii map for
       personal
|> >use which would be useful to those without access to PS printers (and is a lot
|> >easier to scribble on, I find) but don't want to ruffle any feathers by 
       posting
|> >it if that is illegal.
|> 
|> I would have thought that a map of Europe at the turn of the century would 
|> certainly not be copyright, especially if "home made". It just happens to be 
|> your interpretation of how Europe looked. Just keep the word diplomacy off 
|> it and you shouldn't have any problems.
|> 
|> That is just my opinion, though.
|> 
|>  -Russell
|> 
|> P.S: Would you like it available on any of the judges? :-)
|>      (If so, send it my way)
|> 
|> --
|> Russell Vincent,  Computer Services, Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
|> Vincent@cc.und.ac.za

The ascii map that John is refering to is topologically equivalent to the 
standard diplomacy map - it doesn't particularly look like Europe! It's very
useful for those who can't take a set along to the computer rooms :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:27:46 EST
Reply-To:     Rick Desper <desper@MATH.RUTGERS.EDU>
From:         Rick Desper <desper@MATH.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject:      substitute needed in Kovar

I have decided to cut down my dip involvement, and do some work for a
change.  As such, I am resigning my position in Kovar, as France.  The
game is on the EFF Judge.  I currently have 5 SC's, and good relations
with both England and Germany (somehow.)  The game looks to be very
interesting.  Please drop me a line, if you are able and willing to
take over this position for me.
					Rick Desper
					France - Kovar
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling)
Subject: Re: Entire world diplomacy
Reply-To: c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Distribution: rec.games.diplomacy
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:19:22 GMT

Wasting more precious bandwidth :-)...

In article <C85PERWE.93Jan26101826@ide2.IDA.LiU.SE>
curnu@lrehp1.epfl.ch (Thierry Cornu) writes:

> In article <C85PERWE.93Jan21130609@kol16.IDA.LiU.SE>, 
> c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling) writes:

[About global variants including Americas, around 1901, especially
Colonia, Youngstown XIII/XIV, Mercator.]

> Does anybody has got precise information available on these worldwide variants :

> - postscript map ?
I don't think there exist postscript maps of the variants mentioned,
although Borger Borgersen.  As the normal map for example Youngstown
XIV is about 8 A3 I don't expect it to be possible...  The others are
much smaller, and should be easy to scan in an edit.
> - exceptions to standard rules ?
Colonia is pretty straightforward.
Youngstown XIV has special rules for Panama, Egypt and one other
possible channel.  It also has special convoy rules.  It also
implements special win/draw rules for less than a majority of centers.
Mercator has special convoy rules, as well as a special win/draw rule.
Exact details can be found in the rules, which I don't have one line
though since my disc was stolen :-(
> - starting position for the different contries ?
This is given in the rules for each variant.
> - have they been extensively play-tested in ftf games ?
Colonia yes.  Mercator yes.  Youngstown XIV is playtestest right now.
Colonia and Mercator has evolved, and produced good versions.
> - are these variants really balanced and playable ?
As balanced as normal Diplomacy ;-)  I would answer yes to that, at
least regarding Colonia and Mercator.

> It would be nice to have one of these variants implemented on the judge,
> provided they are actually playable. If someone can provide the necessary
> information, I candidate to study the implementation.
As Colonia is the simplest when it comes to rules, maybe that should
be your choice?  If you like to do some programing maybe you like to
implement the special rules of Mercator.


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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:48:48 EST
Reply-To:     Nick Fitzpatrick <nick@SUNBURN.UWATERLOO.CA>
From:         Nick Fitzpatrick <nick@SUNBURN.UWATERLOO.CA>
Subject:      DIPL-L is now rec.games.diplomacy echo

Effective this morning, all posts on rec.games.diplomacy are now
sent to DIPL-L, and vice-versa.  This means you can now post to
rec.games.diplomacy, by sending your article to
dipl-l@mitvma.mit.edu

If you subscribe to DIPL-L, and also can get Usenet, I would recommend
unsubscribing now, to do this send the command
unsub dipl-l      to      listserv@mitvma.mit.edu   or  listserv@mitvma.bitnet

The group bit.listserv.dipl-l, is now dead, and should be RMGROUPed

Nick
From: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au (Matt McLeod)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: "Same-site" and the Judge(s)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:17:30 GMT
Reply-To: matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au
Organization: APANA in Newcastle!

In <MARTIN.93Jan19153223@kilo.inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen) writes:

>Maybe it would be a good idea to have some volunteers fixing those 00
>siteids.  I'd volunteer for germany and if neccessary some other
>countries in the neighbourhood.

I'd be happy to handle Australia and maybe New Zealand.


Matt



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Bob-fearing Freelance Writer & Programmer
matt@krikkit1.apana.org.au
From: gregt@carson.u.washington.edu (Greg Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: New EFF game for *Dedicated* players
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:24:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k46m9INNt8d
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

To All Dedicated Diplomacy Players:
***********************************

I've received an o.k. to start up a new game on the EFF judge.  It will
be a Standard variant with white press, 3-day deadlines and 48-hour grace,
but the signup procedure will be a little different.  You won't find this
game with a "list" command.

It seems to me that there's entirely too many players abandoning their
positions in other games, so I've set the dedication level to -10 to
allow only new and dedicated players to join.  

In addition, I'm giving preferential signup to anyone who has a dedication
rating of over 100, anyone who is a moderator, or anyone who takes over
an abandoned position in any game on any judge.  You'll still need to meet
the -10 dedication level, though.

If you fit these catagories, and want to play Diplomacy with people who
will probably :-) stick with your game, sign up!  Just send me an e-mail
at gregt@u.washington.edu, and I'll tell you where to sign on.


   ***  2 players now signed on, still waiting for 5 more  ***
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From: rnelson@lonestar.utsa.edu (Robert T. Nelson)
Subject: Available Positions
Keywords: openings yetti signon
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:09:07 GMT

I have recently resigned from my position as Germany in game "yetti" on the
Washington U. Judge. There are currently (as of 11pm CST 1/23) openings for
France, Italy, and Germany. None of these powers are in a poor position. 
This game is in it's second fall. 

Please take over these powers.
From: c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Entire world diplomacy
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:06:16 GMT
Reply-To: c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
Distribution: rec
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden

In article <DMERCER.93Jan20140815@ap1pyr.oracle.com> dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer) writes:

> Has any variant ever been made to include all countries of the world
> of 1901?  Including America.  Was it any good?

There are variants of the whole world, and some uses the time around
1901 and/or include America(s).  

The two major variants that include both are Mercator and Youngstown.
I think Colonia is another one as well.

So you might wonder about Youngstown.  Well, there are 14 different
marks (of which the Judge one is a variant of one of the official
marks, IV or VI I think).  The latter ones are using the whole world,
eg Youngstown XIII uses 14 powers (eg Brazil, USA, Transvaal,
Australia).  Youngstown XIV uses the same (but Transvaal is renamed
South Africa) and also uses a variant of the "Abstraction A/F rule".

Mercator exists in several different marks, which uses different maps.

Colonia adds colonies to the regular dip, and uses a global map.  I
think it really represent an earlier period, maybe 1880?

> How about one with the minor countries of Europe?  You could keep the
> present map, but also have players play Portugal, Spain, Belgium,
> Holland, Norway, Seden, Denamrk, Tunis, Serbia, Rumania, Bulgaria, and
> Greece.  Who would want to play these one-unit countries?  Well, it
> might be cool playing a thorn in one of the great powers' side.

Yes, there are several variants that does this.  I would recommend the
following "Active Neutrals" by Robert Sacks:

* The neutral powers starts as free nations, each controlled by one of
the seven major powers.
* Each free nation works exactly like a major power, with control,
builds, etc.  A free nation may win the game.
* The starting unit and power of control is as follows:
AUS A Bel; F Por
ENG A Gre
FRA A Rum; A Swe
GER A Bul; F Tun
ITA A Hol; F Nwy
RUS A Ser
TUR A Den; A Spa

[I hope I got it right, Mark.]

This variant should maybe be something to add to one of the "official"
Judge variants?  I don't think it would be that difficult.  One
possibility could be to add 12 powers, but the connection need to be
established between each Major Power with each Minor Power, so one
can't eg resign from one of its powers and not the others, ie if one
resign/signon one does this for all its powers.


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Subject: New subscriber...
From: bucherjw@hiramb.hiram.edu
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:01:15 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: bucherjw

As a new member of this SIG, and also new to the PBEM DIppy circle,
I am interested in obtaining a complete list of electronic JUDGES that
have or will have openings in standard or Gunboat Dippy.  Plus, if 
there are any PBEM Dippy games starting up on a less formal basis, I would
be interested in information on that also.

Thank you much, in advance.

James W. Bucher
bucherjw@hiramb.bitnet
From: bitn@kimbark.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: New game Halden.
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1k1le4INNcuq@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> kbs@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth Brian Samuel) writes:
>In article <1js40fINNvb@corax.udac.uu.se>, magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar) writes:
>> 4) If one or more players own the same number of centers, and
>> no one owns more centers, there is a draw between those players.
>
>Ah! So if Russia can get two builds while France gets three in the
>first year, they will both have six, and so they will draw, right?
>
>
>Ken

Ken,

The game that rule #4 is referring to is a variant in which nine supply 
centers are required to win.  The rule refers to the possibility that
more than one country own nine or more centers at the end of a year.
In this case, if they have the same amount of centers, it will end in
a draw.  

*-Nathan-*

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From: guimonet@dxcern.cern.ch ( Patrick Guimonet )
Subject: Replacement needed for float (on the Durban judge)
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for Particle Physics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:36:32 GMT


Germany (5/5) need to be taken over in the standard game float on the
durban judge (judge@shrike.und.ac.za).

We are waiting for F1902M, so nothing is definitely decided.

Really Germany is NOT in a bad situation at all : a clear non-agression
pact with England and Russia (me) in Scandinavia will let him go South
without any problems.

Here is the status of the powers :

  England    move    5/5   30 aa158@freenet.carleton.ca
  Austria    move    1/3   20 jhart@ugcs.caltech.edu
  Germany    CD      5/5  -83 m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu
  Italy      move    5/5    6 bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
  France     move    5/5   66 mabellam@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
  Turkey     move    4/4 -178 babraham@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za
  Russia     move    7/7   30 guimonet@dxcnhr.cern.ch

So, please join us to continue this well begun game !

Sure you will have fun with us !
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:51:54 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: steven_h@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (STEVEN HEATH)
Subject: RE: Durban
Organization: Atlantic Computer Institute
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:09:28 GMT

I found out what the problem was, somebody add qwert to all my messages!!!

Wait till I find out who it was!!!

Sorry for accusing Durban.


Steven
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: crip@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Garth Werner)
Subject: Looking for players for a new Game
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:47:54 EST


        I am organizing a game between several people I know (But none of 
whom know each other) and am in need of 2 more players.  (I do have 2 
others who are willing, but they know at least one other player 
registered for the game.  

        This will be a variant on the regular game.  I have never read 
anything in this area, or played a judge game, but here's what I have in 
mind for my home cooked rules:  (briefly)

        1.  Blind - You can only see your units, homesupply centres, and 
areas one away from those sights.

        2.  Limited Communications - You may only communicate with your 
known neighbors.  In fact, you may only communicate with those known 
neighbors on turns which you are someway in contact with them

        3.  Slow Communications - Rather than having spontaneous 
communications, all with go through me, the GM.  When you send a 
communique, it will be received by the intended recipient with the 
results of that turn, hence you will not be able to receive a reply until 
after 2 turns have passed.  (This is why its important that players do 
not know each other)

        4.  Spies - Spies have a possibility of intercepting foreign 
communiques.  This probability will basically be realted to the distance 
the spying unit is from the line of communication.

        Possibly other homespun rules as I think of them.

        
        Turn around time will be approximately 2-3 weeks as most of the 
game will be done by snail mail.  


        If you are interested in participating in this experiment, please 
drop a line my way, any questions too.

        GARTH WERNER                    crip@micor.ocunix.on.ca

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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Openings in games on the Washington Judge
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:05:39 GMT

A player in game 'shuppan' wishes to resign, as he is feeling the strain of
too many games. He is willing to continue until a replacement is found, but
to avoid biasing negotiations until then, I won't reveal which player until
a sub is found. 'shuppan' is an anonymous (gunboat) white press/no partial
Youngstown game presently going into the Spring 1903 moves; I will say that
the position is one of the stronger on the board. If you think you might be
interested, get a listing of the game and contact me via e-mail, and I'll
tell you which power is up for grabs.

A player in game 'ix' recently had the misfortune to graduate and find a
decent job (though not so decent as to provide net access :^), and was
forced to resign as a result. 'ix' is an anonymous (gunboat) white press/no
partial Loeb9 game presently going into the Winter 1901 builds. Norway, the
available power, is entitled to one build, and has a fairly strong position,
both tactically and diplomatically. If you're interested in a fairly crowded
variant with nine players, just sign on to the game and pick up the position.
-- 
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and the dancers hit each other." --Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
From: kbs@cs.utexas.edu (Kenneth Brian Samuel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: New game Halden.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:17:56 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1js40fINNvb@corax.udac.uu.se>, magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar) writes:
> 4) If one or more players own the same number of centers, and
> no one owns more centers, there is a draw between those players.

Ah! So if Russia can get two builds while France gets three in the
first year, they will both have six, and so they will draw, right?


Ken
From: js138@cus.cam.ac.uk (John Sloan)
Subject: map
Keywords: copyright
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:07:42 GMT


What is the copyright status on the actual map?  I have an ascii map for personal
use which would be useful to those without access to PS printers (and is a lot
easier to scribble on, I find) but don't want to ruffle any feathers by posting
it if that is illegal.

Any net-guru know?