From: lambino@cirrus.com (Dave Lambino)
Subject: Re: FIL-AMS
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:04:02 GMT

In <C1JEyu.4J4@inews.Intel.COM> sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) writes:

>In article <1ju4l5INNbp0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rayr@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Tribe Of Quest [INFPMBTI]) writes:
>> 
>> Ah...couldn't keep quiet either. 
>> > This is the reason they have earned the monicker 'brown Americans

>Come now.  Culture is more than food and dance.  There are distinctly
>Filipino religious attitudes, values, and styles of interpersonal
>relationships.  Take, for example, a joke like this:

>Q.  When is a Filipino fetus viable?
>A.  When it graduates from college.

>If you get that joke, you probably have some grasp of some Filipino
>ways other than lumpia and tinikling. 

>I have always amazed how some Filipinos and Fil-Ams seem to like put down 
>Filipinos and Filipino culture.  Sure, it's not perfect but it is not
>all crap either.  One Fil-Am classmate (from my private college) is a news
>bureau chief in Manila.  She wrote an article for our alumni magazine about
>how the Philippines was a strange and violent place packed with strange and
>violent people.  The article was very negative.  I thought it notable that
>she did not mention that she was Filipino and spoke Tagalog fluently.  I guess
>the colonial mentality lives on.

>The question of why there aren't many Filipino elected officials is 
>an interesting question.  Doesn't Hercules have a Filipino mayor now?

>> sedayao@sousa.intel.com (Jeff Sedayao) writes:
>> >They have a skewed sample.  Stanford, as an elite, expensive
>> >private school, has a different set of Filipino Americans than a 
>> >public school would.  Drastically different.
>> 
>>   I'm in UC Santa Cruz.  It's public.  I would say that there are 
>> a lot of confused young Filipinos out there (including me).  I 
>> don't know enough Philippine history - I don't really know what 
>> Jose Rizal did and why he's so great; I don't know who the 
>> Katipuneros (KKK?) are; I don't know why the capital is in Luzon 
>> and why Tagalog is the national language instead of say, Cebuano 
>> or Visaya...

>I don't think you are that confused.  You have at least heard of 
>Jose Rizal and KKK.  You do know that Tagalog is the national language
>and know of other Filipino languages.  From your discussions above,
>you do know about local Filipino populations and their problems (e.g.
>lack of elected officials.)  I compare you to another of my classmates
>from my private school, whose discussions of things Filipino were on 
>this level:  "Don't you hate it when everyone thinks your father is a
>doctor just because you are Filipino?  MY dad is an architect!"

>[rest deleted]

>> -----
>> ray
>> rayr@ucscb.ucsc.edu
>> Bakit kumokuot ang ulo mong ganyan?
>> Oh, and I ain't related to Lolo Fidel :)

>-- 
>Jeff Sedayao
>Intel Corporation
>sedayao@chopin.intel.com
>..!uunet!intelhf!chopin!sedayao

	I guess we can go back to the "flip" thing. Those that are
angered by the negative connotation of this word appear to be those
that are somewhat bewildered that people actually think that there is
no Filipino culture. On the otherhand, those that think the word
"flip" is cool, happening and acceptable are those that feel there is
no Filipino culture. Looks like more of a generation gap type of thing
going on here.
	I'm one of those who are stuck in between. I was born here in
the US, but lived my teenage and college years in the Philippines. It
seems like I don't belong to either place. The thing that has kept me
sane, although many people may dispute this sanity thing, is that I
believe my Filipino culture exists and that the US has a lot to learn
from it. Here in the US, there are many good things like freedom and
business oppurtunities, but as far as respecting the human race I
believe we Americans have a lot to learn from the Filipino culture.
After all, where is it stated that immigrants have to pick up bad
habits and all when they come here to live. Immigrants have a
responsibility of teaching us Americans the good things that their
cultures have to offer. Isn't it supposed to be a give and take thing
anyway?


kill the b#by....

dave

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