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From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:50:34 CST
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:

> margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton) writes:
> 
> >homosexuals.  And I do not believe that people choose their 
> >sexual orientations any more than they choose they color of
> >their eyes.  Homosexualality is not a personality disorder, 
> >a mental illness, or an identity crisis.  Its a sexual orientation, 
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I'm amazed at how easily some people can embrace a simple buzzword and 
> use it to justify a blatently unnatural act. If only we could come up
> with a fashionable buzzword for common sense, perhaps we could get
> our society back on the right track. 

Don't worry, Ken, the Republicans already have. Ever hear of
"family values"? 

I don't hear anyone trying to force their beliefs on you; nor can
I accept your opinions as being adequate grounds for you to force
your beliefs on others. Sounds like unnatural, deviant behavior
to me. Maybe we should have your behavior "corrected". Hmmm?

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
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From: brantley@infonode.ingr.com (Dwight D. Brantley)
Subject: Re: Radon Testing Kits Available
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:05:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.135917.4859@infonode.ingr.com> wilsonk@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Wilson) writes:
>
>Lab analysis included in price.
>Kits can be mailed.
>
>Test your own house $21.95.
>
>Radon Dection Service: 650-0998

So does anyone have the statistics on what the chances are of having
unacceptable levels of radon in a house in the Huntsville/Madison area
given that the house is built on a concrete slab (no basement or crawl
space)?  Not flamming anyone here, I'm just curious.  I don't recall
seeing anything documented on this and I would like to know how potentially
serious the problem could be in this area.

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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Betty Wilson
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 06:12:05 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

>Did you here that they got the guy who is the "role
>model" for Matlock to work on her defense...I am
>suprized they haven't announced Tim Morgan as being one
 
I saw that. I guess they think the lawyers think they
can win, thus allowing Betty Wilson to pay them off
withher husbands millions.
 
>of her Attorneys.   I read an editorial in todays (Wed.)
>Paper from someone who says that the only reason Mo'
>wants to prosecute this case is because it is a
>"National Media" hype story. I also think that is a
>bunch of bologna.   I look at it this way, if there was
 
I agree with the guy who wrote in. Mo has always
impressed me a media hungry type, who was using the
D.A.'s office as a stepping stone for higher political
office.
 
>a job I had been working on for X time, and that job was
>critical--say the invention of the MODEM (grin) and I
>was nearly finished with it when UDS decided they no
 >longer needed my services, I would not hesitate to ask
 >to continue working on the modem until I finished it as
 >a "contractor", and UDS would be better served allowing
 >me to complete the work rather than having someone else
 >come in "cold" attempt to decipher my notes and then
 >attempt to finish my work.   Do you see my point? Leah
 
 I see your point, I just do think it is applicable to
 this case.



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From: puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:32:27 GMT

crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com (Steve Crooks) writes:

>puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
>>Rights are most certainly a privilege. You have them because you are
>>here, not in cold-war East Germany or any one of the other totalitarian
>>countries. 

>  "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
>   equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
>   rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
>   That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
>   deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
>					-- Thomas Jefferson
>					   _Declaration_Of_Independence_
>--
>--Steve Crooks                                      crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com
>      "Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich."  -- Daffy Duck

Thanks, I started to quote that very document but didn't have it in
front of me (nor did I have it memorized...although the
"endowed...with...unalienable rights" was what came to mind). The point
being that, in spite of the fact that our Creator endowed us with these
rights, the "governments...instituted among men" are required to "secure
these rights". They are therefore a priviledge we enjoy thanks to the
Government we have instituted to uphold them with the power we the
governed have given. 

Ken
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From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Re: Nightline and Presidential Cantidates
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:54:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.232219.27467@cs.ucla.edu>, skyzor@hana.cs.ucla.edu (Kelly Nabours) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.145323.13846@b11.b11.ingr.com> lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov19.080921.10505@mr.med.ge.com>, bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
> >> back to the economy.
> >> <some interesting if not particularly usefull info)
> 
> >And if buffaloes had wings...
> >
> >I think we have a pretty clear reading of the political persuation of the
> >author of this fascinating bit of drivel, from the highlighted word. I can't
> >call him a FASCIST, since that means that the government both CONTROLS and
> >(etc. blah blah blah>
> 
> Hey, pull back the fangs.  Sheesh.  He did not claim to be economist, I don't
> believe.  Also, the orginal post seemed to be against welfare, saying that
> if we get all this people employed with some mythical jobs, then the government
> would have a lot of money.

But to suggest that we solve the "unemployment problem" (created BY government)
with new government programs and policies? Kind of like trying to put out a
forrest fire with gasoline...

> Besides a useless lecture on your version of economics (rather bold one too, to
> just through out Keynes as a blathering idiot.) 

If ANYONE still has ANY faith in Keynes at this point, I gotta admire their
stubborness, but not much else... Try reading Hayek or von Mises, or anyone
else from the Austrian School. Von Mises showed rather conclusively what the
problems were with socialism in general and Keynesian economics in particular,
back when these fallacious concepts were first proposed. His predictions of
total collapse of socialist economies are being shown more and more accurate
every week... 

> Do you see anything actually wrong with his original statement?

Yes. I thought I had spelled out my objections in rather much detail.

> And lastly, is their any particularly reason you capitalize words like that?
> It detracts from the rest of the sentence, and in fact from the rest of what
> your saying by tearing the eyes only the those keywords: FASCIST, CONTROL, ...

For EMPHASIS. And by your own admission, it WORKS.

> -- 
> *******************************************************************************
> Kelly Nabours    "There are strange things done in the midnight sun..."
> aka Jack Danger  "That was close, but not close enough, because I'M JACK DANGER
> *******************************************************************************

Larry "look mommy, a real living Keynesian, in this day and age!" Hughes
From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 06:28:08 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

To James Reed:


 > |> I can see their point, since so many people want to
 > restrict their
 > |> employment based on what could be rather than fact.
 >
 >
 > You see their point, but you missed my point.  Companies
 > feel forced
 > to act on what could be because they are not allowed to
 > know the facts.
No I didn't miss your point. If you read my message you will see 
I support pre-employement testing for HIV.  I think you missed my 
point, just because testing is not allowed does not give employeers the 
right to discriminate agnist certain groups. Two wrongs do not make 
a right. 



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From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Murder Rates (Was Homosexual Rights QUESTION)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:01:58 GMT

kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney) writes:

>Has the murder rate really gone up over the last 10, 50, and 100 years?
>Do you have any data to support this?  I can't say whether it has or not,
>but when people make such "Things are so much worse now than they used to
>be" statements without any proof, I find it hard to take it seriously.

Sorry, I don't carry that stats in my back pocket, but it is common knowledge 
that the murder rate HAS gone up over the "last 10, 50, and 100 years". The
point is that justifying homosexuality because it might reduce overpopulation
makes no more sense than justifying murder for the same reason.

Ken

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From: crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross)
Subject: Re: Presidential talk
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:37:07 GMT

In article <6454.2B0B926C@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:

>  Voting for programs in our area is what he is supposed to do,

And *that* is perhaps one the the major reasons we are in our current mess.
The congress needs to concern itself with long range views for the *entire*
country and not merely for local "pork".
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From: mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Choice or Deformity?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:07:51 GMT

Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:
>
> [armchair psychological ponderings on the cause of homosexuality
>  deleted]

And there were 18th century doctors who seriously advanced that blacks
were black because of a congenital form of benign leprosy.  Just
because people are different, people will look for REASONS for the
differences.

The question of what causes homosexuality is irrelevant.  We could go
on _ad nauseam_ about nature vs nurture, genes, hypothalami sizes, and
the like till we're blue in the face and STILL not have answers which
are to everyone's liking.

The fact is that gays and lesbians exist, have ALWAYS existed, and
WILL CONTINUE to exist as participants in our society.

What I'm advocating here is equal treatment, equal rights.  We grant
religious freedoms to all religions; it doesn't mean that we have to
AGREE with every religion.  We respect freedom of speech without
having to agree with everything everyone says.  It DOES mean, though,
that we respect the right of individuals to decide for themselves.

Now don't think for a moment that in countries like Denmark, where gay
and lesbian couples have had full marriage rights since October 1990,
that everyone thinks being gay is great, or would want their children
to be gay.  On this contrary.  I think the difference is that the
Danes realize that giving equal rights does not "reward" or imply that
homosexuality is good, anymore than equal rights to ALL religions
implies that any particular religion is "right" or "correct."

My personal feeling is that sexual orientation will remain an issue
until people give up on the reward/punishment mentality of trying to
coerce adults into the "correct" orientation and/or behaviour.

-Jim

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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:40:56 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

I would agree with you except for one thing you are forgetting.
A person can have AIDS for years and not test positive for it.
  Therefore if a restraunt owner, or any PRIVATE business owner
does not want to hire a person because of that persons sexual
habits (I mean--even a female prostituet too) then they should
be within their legal rights to not hire that person.
   I have had an ad in the paper for two weeks looking for
someone to come into my home and keep an eye on my girls while I
work on a house bill concerning adoption. I know I am
discriminating when someone calls and asks for "Toney", or when
they can not form complete sentences...because I tell them the
position has been filled. THat is my perfect right. I want
someone who can read because my children love to be read to. If
I wanted an illeterate person to come her to receive an
education I would have placed my ad to read like that, but my
name is not Toney and the ad clearly states "Toney Area". So I
discriminate. big deal. It is my perfect right to do so when
chosing someone that will come into my home with my children and
myself while I work on the computer.
Leah

 

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Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Radon Testing Kits Available
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:39:00 CST
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

brantley@infonode.ingr.com (Dwight D. Brantley) writes:

> In article <1992Nov18.135917.4859@infonode.ingr.com> wilsonk@infonode.ingr.co
> >
> >Lab analysis included in price.
> >Kits can be mailed.
> >
> >Test your own house $21.95.
> >
> >Radon Dection Service: 650-0998
> 
> So does anyone have the statistics on what the chances are of having
> unacceptable levels of radon in a house in the Huntsville/Madison area
> given that the house is built on a concrete slab (no basement or crawl
> space)?  Not flamming anyone here, I'm just curious.  I don't recall
> seeing anything documented on this and I would like to know how potentially
> serious the problem could be in this area.

I tested my house (frame on foundation, w/ crawlspace) a few years
ago, using one of the three-month type cannisters. I have convection
gas wall heaters, which were running during part of the test period 
(this matters because natural gas reportedly contains radon, and it
should give me higher exposure).

My test results were .04 pC/l, about 1% of what the EPA guesses is a
maximum safe level.

I decided to not worry about it. I live near Drake and Triana, and 
your results may vary.

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
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From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Stupid Arrows
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:00:43 GMT

larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) wrote:

> > reflectors that outline the arrows ... on I-565 ...

> In town where the roads are lighted anyway, they are probabily 
> redundant, but out in the country where the only light is from 
> headlights, the reflectors are handy.  ... night when I needed to get 
> someplace in a big hurry.  I found out that I could drive a lot faster 
> because my effective vision (ie knowing about curves in advance) was 9
> doubled.

Are you referring to the reflectors that are in between the lanes?
I like those too.  The thing is, those reflectors around the arrows
look like ...

                        * * *
                    *  * *  * *
                        * *   *

rather than like ...
                             *
                       * * *   *
                    *            *
                   *     * *   *
                   *   *     *
                                 ... as they would appear from the air.


They don't relay any useful information to me.
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From: dianne@dianne.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Dianne Ferrans)
Subject: Re: Presidential talk
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:07:37 GMT


If I may .....

A summary:

What we have here (again) is a basic lack of communication, due to the non-
specific nature of the english language.

Marriage:  1.  A government-recognized contract.
		 2.  A religious/social institution.

In regards to marriage as defined by #1, I believe that any two
consenting, adult people should be able to engage in a LEGAL, binding
marriage contract for reasons of ease of holding title to property,
paying taxes and receiving insurance benifits, i.e. the LEGAL side
of marriage being just that, a LEGAL contract, recognized by the government.

(What those people do or do not do, in the privacy of their boudour, is
not the government's, the neighbor's, the religious right or the liberal
left's BUSINESS.  Period.  You should NOT attempt to legislate morality.
Doesn't ever work, and it pisses people off. )


In regards to marriage as defined by #2, let your concience be your guide,
and stop trying to impose your morality on other people who do not wish
to be imposed upon.  Live and let live. Forgive, love thy neighbor, and
all of that sort of rot.

'Nuff said.


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Quotes for the day:


Certain old men prefer to rise at dawn, taking a cold bath and a long
walk with an empty stomach and otherwise mortifying the flesh.  They
then point with pride to these practices as the cause of their sturdy
health and ripe years; the truth being that they are hearty and old,
not because of their habits, but in spite of them.  The reason we find
only robust persons doing this thing is that it has killed all the
others who have tried it.
		-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

-----
the mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye. The more light you shine
on it, the more it contracts." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

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From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Nashville Nightspot Recommendations
Summary: results of survey
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: hsv
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.232017.4494@b8.b8.ingr.com>, ned@ned.b17c.ingr.com (nina) writes:
> 
>    Ha Ha Ha! I'm sure YOU like to go to the Cat but I don't think it is a 
>    nice place for a young just-married couple to go to!!!  Shame on you!!!
>       
> 
> 
>    Nina E. Donath         n     "...Be a Columbus to whole new continents and
>  Intergraph Corporation   e      worlds within you, opening new channels, not 
>  ned@ned.b17c.ingr.com    d      of trade, but of thought".
>                                       - from "Walden", by Henry David Thoreau

Actually Nina, I was just checking to see how many people knew what type of
place (or would admit to knowing) the Classic Cat was?
The responce was quite low (two) so this brings up several other questions:

1. How many knew what kind of place it was but was ashamed to admit it on 
   the net?
2. How many knew, but felt that maybe it would loosen up Larry Hughes's 
   attitudes?  :)
3. How many people truely did not know?


Besides, I do think the best sounds in Nashville are the cat-calls and
whistles, certainly not country music..

Larry (just out for a little fun, and occasional flame war) Billings
From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Join the Armed Forces
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:22:22 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Join the Armed FOrces all you wanna be a ladies--The sex change 
operations are on the house...
Join the Armed Forces all you bull dykes... we'll let you blow ugly 
men away!
Join the Armed Services all you who slept last night with someone 
who has AIDS--your Uncle will pay the hospital bill.



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Presidential talk
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:19:29 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Well I think you've been brainwashed by the local media then.
Sure the Children's Advocacy Center is a Big feather in his hat,
but he votes time and time again to fund the NEA and their
obscene art. He votes time and time again to raise our taxes and
he supports his party's platform of reducing the defence
spending and channeling the $ to welfare programs and handouts.
Keep him in office and you DOD workers are going to have to go
commercial or get out of Dodge (in this case Huntsville). BTW
the High Way he takes credit for in his television commercials
was already a bill before he ever got to office.
  I still say he is a lot less than you people think he is....
I know from the statistics that a LOT of Republicians voted for
him. I am PROUD to say I did not!
Leah

 

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From: John.Emmert@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.flame
Subject: Re: Echos                
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 00:36:44 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 -=> Quoting Dave Luce to All <=-

 DL> Just wanted to tell you all that I am still alive and well and
 DL> enjoying life on REAL echos out of NC.

In other words, someplace where they don't know and love you like
we do!


... "Don't mince words, Dave ... what do you *REALLY* think?"


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