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From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Boycotts, Boycotts, Boycotts....
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:16:00 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
Organization: University of Pittsburgh



Many anti-abortion groups use boycotts.  They boycott pharmaceutical
companies that produce prostaglandins, and some of the groups boycott
companies that produce birth control pills and IUD's.  Threatened
boycotts are one reason that RU-486 isn't available in the U.S.
Some anti-abortion groups participate in the boycott of Nestle.

Don Wildmon's "American Family Association" frequently boycotts the
sponsors of televisions shows that it deems offensive.  Letter-writing
campaigns and boycotts seem to be their only tactics.

Although I'd class both of these examples as far right, I wouldn't
really call them conservative.  If you're using the two terms 
synonymously, it would be hard to argue that conservative groups
don't boycott.

Susan
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Death of America
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:23:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) says:

>In article <1992Dec13.043319.13522@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>>cost of around $500 a year. you think people spend $500 a year on tolls?
>>>some do, but most don't. and there are many people who *never* pay a toll.
>>>it is only on a small number of roads.
>>
>>In metro New York, the Bay Area, L.A. and most other well-developed areas
>>you can ring up US$200-300 in tolls a year; I rang up $5 over two days of
>>interviews between NYC and Westchester County just outside city limits.

    
      Oh, man.  Okay. I CAN'T let this one go.  *I* averaged 53,000
      miles per YEAR in L.A.  For SEVEN years.  Visiting about 3,000
      companies.  I did about another 100,000 on personal driving.

      I NEVER paid a toll.

      I've also driven from Los Angeles, to SF, to Seattle and back,
      all around Idaho, Utah, etc.  

      I NEVER paid a toll.

      There might be some toll roads somewhere, but in 500K+ of 
      driving, *I* never saw them. :)

      Sorry, but you've stumbled upon my one expertise.  :)

      Hmm.  I think the Golden Gate might be a toll.  I've never 
      driven over it though.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: jlohrmann@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:27:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483600063:000:633
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jlohrmann    Dec 14 21:27:00 1992


From: <jlohrmann>
Subject: Clinton Office Requests Comments

The Transition Office for President-Elect Clinton needs some feedback
in order to keep this Internet connection open.  If you would
like to see material from the President's Office regularly posted
to Usenet Newsgroups please write Jeff Eller in the
Communications Office of the President-Elect at the following address.


 The U. S. Mail address for the Clinton/Gore Transition Team is:

	Office of the President-Elect
	Atkins Building
	105 West Capital Street,  Suite 400
	Little Rock,  Arkansas   72201

	Telephone: (501) 374-3322
        Fax: (501) 399-7195 or 7194  
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64248 soc.motss:52312 ca.politics:10327 ba.politics:7712
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.motss,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: "HIV-infected molest suspect outrages town"
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:01:50 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <Bz9M8D.Ex1@queernet.org> max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) writes:
>In article <13596@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>No, a homosexual is anyone who has sexual contact with members of
>>his/her own sex.  No requirement for exclusivity.
>
>Sounds pretty simplistic.  Does this mean that if you (a male) were sexually
>molested once as a child by your father, then you're a homosexual?
>
>

Can't you read, of course it means that... ;^)

I have jr. and sr. high-school buddies that fooled around with me and
other guys, once maybe twice, so that means their all gay, even if they are
married, becuase they are really lying about their sexuality. ;v)

So molested, raped, or whatever if you had sex with the same sex then you
are automagically homosexual period. 

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64230 ca.politics:10325 ba.politics:7706
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: "HIV-infected molest suspect outrages town"
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:41:27 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.crhc.uiuc.edu


Somebody writes:

>#   Definition 1: A homosexual is anyone who has any sexual contact with
>#      with his/her own sex. (Used to generate the supposed number of
>#      homosexual molesters)
># 
>#   Definition 2: A homosexual is anyone who has sexual contact 
>#      *exclusively* with members of his/her own sex. (Used to generate
>#      the supposed percentage of homosexual molesters.)

Clayton Cramer writes:

>No, a homosexual is anyone who has sexual contact with members of
>his/her own sex.  No requirement for exclusivity.

Clayton, you've just clearly illustrated the word game you've been using
for years to mislead the uninformed.

Definitions:
	homosexual   - prefers members of the same sex 
	heterosexual - prefers members of the opposite sex 
	bisexual     - is significantly attracted to members of both sexes

And this is not some bizarre gay usage - use a dictionary, ask a doctor,
homosexual and bisexual are two very different things, and a person can
have a single homo-erotic experience and still be essentially straight.

Throughout this whole debate, you've used two definitions of the term
homosexual: a narrow one when counting homosexuals in the general population,
and the broadest one possible when counting homosexuals among child molestors.
Then, you've used the disparity to support your stereotype that homosexuals
are more likely to molest children than straight people are.

When you cite the number 4%, you are citing the number of people in the 
population who experience uninterupted, lifelong homosexuality.  

Then you cite the number 37%, as the fraction of all child molestors who
have ever touched a member of the same sex.

You claim that this proves that gays are more likely to molest children.

I point out that Kinsey found for the general population that 4% experience
lifelong, exclusive homosexuality, and 37% have at least one sexual encounter
with a member of the same sex in their lifetime.

Your recent example ("HIV-infected molest suspect outrages town") was a
married man with children.  The sex researchers you cite would NOT put
him in the 4% category you cite.

If you want to call anyone who's ever touched a member of the same sex
gay, fine.  It's just a word game.  But the number 4% does NOT apply to
the group so defined.

Paul

-- 
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Center for Reliable High-Performance Computing     Urbana, IL 61801
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign         (217) 244-7179
From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: I WAS RIGHT!!! YOU ARE CLUELESS!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:40:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Well people, you have all proven to me that I WAS RIGHT!!! From the last two
postings I've made, NONE OF YOU could come up with ANY recourse except for the
fact that my grammmmmmmmer isn't by best feature. If all you can do is rip me
for some technical misconfiguration of words, don't bother me. After all,
LIBERALS use this type of tactic when they are proven WRONG (as opposed to
admitting that you were WRONG)! THANK YOU, LEFTISTS! You prove ONCE AGAIN that
Rush is the current leader in the mad race of providing POLITICALLY
CORRECTNESS and defining people to their actions.

He is a god.....
______________________________________________________________________________
RUSH LIMBAUGH FOR PRESIDENT '96
Ideas and comments expressed here are not neccessarily those of this
station....BUT THEY SHOULD BE!!!---R. Limbaugh
_______________________________________________________________________________
Paul N. Ritter III
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64464 soc.motss:52582 alt.sex:39687
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.motss,alt.sex
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:26:09 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host

In article <13627@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>See "AIDS and sexual behavior in France" in the December 3, 1992
>_Nature_.  The survey questioned 20,055 people aged 18-69.  The
>survey asked about "at least one occurrence of intercourse with
>a person of the same sex during their lifetime", in the past 5 
>years, and in the past year.  

How did they define intercourse? 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,misc.legal,soc.motss
From: roy@panix.com (Roy Radow)
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:17:39 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec17.194356.3018@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>1. Even NAZIs have freedom of speech.

>2. So does Mr. Radow.

>3. Mr. Radow idea of "consent" includes sexual molestation of children.
>   Mr. Radow seems to believe that consent can be gain by abuse of
>   the trust of children -- i.e., "Hi little girl or little boy,
>   want a lollipop?".

>4. I normally would totally ignore such sick vermin, but, to be
>   consistent (per the soc.motss & NAMBLA issues), I must add my
>   two cents.


>Tell me Mr. Radow, has NAMBLA ever disavowed it's slogan of
>"sex before eight or it's too late"???

>In any case Mr. Radow, obviously you need to steer well clear of any
>children I know. Otherwise, you'll have a "consenual" relationship
>with the end of my shotgun.

>You have the right to SPEAK what you will. And to post and discuss.

>But sex with children is inherently coercive, NO MATTER HOW MANY
>LOLLIPOPS you offer. You are vile, your issues are vile, and I wish
>a nasty death for you -- say, via rape by large Hell's Angels. Then maybe
>you can get a whole new perspective in life.

Dear Phil,

    I applaud and join you in support of our Constitutional right 
to freedom of speech, press and assemble.

    Regarding the slogan "Sex by age eight or else it's too late!"
This was the slogan of the Rene Guyon Society back in the 1970's.
THIS IS NOT, NOR WAS IT EVER, A POSITION OF NAMBLA.

    For many people the issue of youth sexuality is an emotional laden
one which can transcend rational thought. NAMBLA does NOT say that ALL
children should have sex with adults. We merely advocate that the law 
should respect those individuals involved in such relationships and make 
a distinction between mutually consensual beneficial relationships and
coercive sexual assualt.

    May you and yours have a joyous holiday season and a happy and 
healthy New Year. Peace On Earth, Good Will Toward Men.

Yours in Liberation,

Roy









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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.motss,ca.politics,ba.politics
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Somalia
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:21:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.161645.3316@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
}ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
}>jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
}>>OK, but somebody did get killed due to a breakdown of the vaunted military's
}>>actions... where is the indignation? 
}>
}>	Who, where and when? Is this a reference to the deaths of
}>	people that *fired* on a military aircraft? I don't see
}>	any "breakdown", there; or are US troops to allow themselves
}>	to be killed without retaliation?
}
}The reference was to the Somalis who got killed or wounded at the
}weapon-confiscation checkpoint. Their truck (or bus) failed to stop
}and the French soldiers fired on them. The original story (disinformation)
}was that there was a weapon mounted on the truck. Later it was admitted
}that their was no mounted gun, but the men were armed and were trying
}to run the roadblock to keep their weapons. Finally, the disinformation
}gave way to truth: the passengers were not armed and their junker truck 
}had bad brakes. Why did the truth come out? Because the press was there.

Out of curiosity, do you think there was a gun mounted on top of the
bomb with wheels that took out the barracks in Beruit?
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:51:52 -0500

Has ANYONE ever figured-out what Mr. Cramer has against homosexuality ?
I have been checking into this newsgroup for well over a year and at
no time have I seen the group devoid of some rabid anti-gay tracts
by this individual. 

In this thread, he seems to want there to be less homosexuals, so that
it will be OK to oppress those insignificant few that remain. Usually
though, he simply confuses 'abnormal' with 'un-usual' and makes
outlandishly general assumptions about the personalities and behaviors
of gay individuals. Of all the gays I've met over the years, I would
say that not ONE even comes close to Cramers image of the evil, obsessed,
twisted, child-molesting, brain-damaged freak. So, since reality
diverges so sharply with with 'Cramer-ality' I can only assume he has
some kind of vendetta going or has seriously lost touch. 

This would not be so important except that Mr. Cramer seems to be an
almost textbook example of a 'bigot' - his particular bigotry being
anti-homosexual. If Cramer can be mellowed and brought to a more
reasonable and tolerant way of thinking - then there is hope for
dealing with all the other bigots out there. 

-- JM 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.current-events.somalia
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Somalia
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.175154.20010@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
}James Meritt writes:
}#Out of curiosity, do you think there was a gun mounted on top of the
}#bomb with wheels that took out the barracks in Beruit?
}
}Does this matter? Or do you just think it is better to kill innocent
}civilians rather than having volenteer soldiers risk being killed? 

Choice: kill or be killed.  Given the information that you have at the
moment, and KNOWING that similar situations had lead to the deaths of
some of your friends, and the preceived actions which match those of
earlier very-real threats, is it unreasonable to the on-scene people
to see their life under direct threat?  Not your 20/20 hindsight, but
then and there?  What made it clear THEN that they were harmless, when there
was plenty to indicate a potentially lethal threat?

}When did the Somalies
}travelling on a bus accept this risk?

When they crashed through a barracaded road in the dark.  Actions speak
louder than words.


Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:64778 alt.security.pgp:282
From: howard@titan.hal.com (Howard Gayle)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.security.pgp
Subject: Re: PGP as a World Standard
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:05:55 GMT
Reply-To: howard@hal.com (Howard Gayle)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc., Campbell, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.hal.com
In-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)

In article <1992Dec17.213627.28282@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom (David Sternlight) writes:
> PGP1.0 was contraband in the U.S., so much so that the
>author pulled out. It was illegally exported.  PGP2.0 was based on it.
>Thus the Europeans who use it don't have clean hands, regardless of
>the state of the law there.
>
>BEING DISHONEST WITH AN EXPLANATION ISN'T THE SAME AS BEING HONEST.

Much early US industry was based on what today's bureaucrats
would call "technical data" smuggled out of Britain in violation
of British law at the time: plans for machines, manufacturing
information, new inventions, etc.  We are wealthier today
because of those smugglers.
--
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HAL Computer Systems, Inc.
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Campbell, California 95008
USA
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Phone: +1 408 379 7000 extension 1080
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 09:16:53 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc

As quoted from <1992Dec20.062934.11373@u.washington.edu> by tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith):

> In article <BzJ70q.5Dr@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
> >What OTHER purpose is there behind ELIMINATING age of consent?
> 
> Would you care to explain what magic thing happened to me when I turned
> 16 that suddenly made me capable of driving a car?  What magic thing

The law magically makes it legal.  Of course there's no magic to it all.  The
law sets a reasonable age at which you can be presumed to be able to be 
trusted to drive.  Of course the difference between this and child molestation
is that there is no organized lobby with the self serving interest of getting
children to drive before they're ready.

> happened at 18 that made me suddenly competent to decide who I would have
> sex with and made me competent to vote?  And explain the biological
> changes that my body suddenly underwent on my 21st birthday that made
> it able to consume alcohol?  Also explain why on my 7th and 14th
> birthdays I underwent sudden mental changes affecting my ability to
> perform intentional torts and beyhave negligently -- and other kids in
> other states did not undergo these changes.
> 
As you well know (or should) the hallmarks of good law (indeed western law in
general) are specificity, predictability, and comprehensibility.  What you
(and NAMBLA) attempt to do is to so diminish (or eliminate) these qualities
that a molester can "finesse" the legal system, or at least paralyze it so as
to be able to molest with impunity.  

> Also explain why the ages for these various things are different in
> some other countries, with no apparent harm.
> 
Explain to me why other countries allow indefinite imprisonment without trial,
torture, and rape of female prisoners.

> Age of consent is an approximation, intended to protect the average person
> from harm that they are not competent to protect themselves from.  Do you
> find it inconcievable there there may be other ways to do this?  For example,
> suppose a test could be devised that a person could take, and if they pass
> they are declared legally an adult?  Wouldn't this be better than an
> arbitrary age of consent?
> 
I find it inconceivable that an alternative is possible which would protect
the interests of the child.  That is of course NOT the goal of NAMBLA.  Their
SOLE interest is the URGES of child molesters.  I have NO difficulty choosing
between the interests of children and the foul desires of rapists.

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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:63873 ca.politics:10283 soc.motss:51926
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: "HIV-infected molest suspect outrages town"
Date: 11 Dec 1992 13:43:06 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.crhc.uiuc.edu

cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>Work on your reading skills, fool.  

>Why is that homosexuals are not only liars, but ignorant as well?

The Ground Rules
----------------

I will not respond to any followup that contains ad hominem attacks,
even if there are substantive criticisms contained therein, simply
because it's too draining, and because someone who lacks the self-
control to respond to facts without engaging in character assassination
isn't worth my time; it's a sign that someone is so irrational as
to be a waste of time to argue with.

		- Clayton Cramer

-- 
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Center for Reliable High-Performance Computing     Urbana, IL 61801
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign         (217) 244-7179
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.cis,talk,politics.soviet
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Subject: english to russian translation program
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Organization: University of Washington, Applied Mathematics, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:13:16 GMT

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