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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wither IRONWOOD?
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:04:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1ij8e8INN12f@access.usask.ca> vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Vanessa C. Zondervan) writes:
["Ironwood" canceled by Eros due to not enough nookie]
>With that "not enough sex" line...
>   What do people (readers of Adult Comics) think? Are stories like
>Ironwood and Strips not as good as, oh Timewankers because of the stronger
>plotlines and less sex? 
>   I know that my own personal opinion is that I've found Ironwood,
>Strips, Omaha, and the like to be my favorite Adult Comics over the "Sex
>from page one to the end" stories.

Damn straight. 90% of the 'Adult' comics have basically adolescent attitudes
and wouldn't be of any interest to anyone if it wasn't for the shock value of
having sex in a comic. Ironwood, Strips, and Omaha have characterization, 
moderate to excellent writing, and good plots, which is more than one can say 
for most mainstream books either.

Plus, Ironwood, Strips, and Omaha have (gasp) good artwork. :>

And XXXenophile is just funny. (And I'm a Foglio fanboy, I'd read his stuff if
he was illustrating Liefeld's writing. :> )

You know, I was just thinking, is claiming that you read Omaha because you like
the characters/writing/plot similar to claiming that you read Playboy for the
articles? :)

> | 1993: Doctor Who  is Thirty Years Old                                   |
> |       Jethro Tull is Twenty-Five Years Old                              |
> |	 IAN ANDERSON FOR THE NEXT DOCTOR WHO!!!!!                         |
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<grin> "Come on all you childhood heroes, won't you rise up from the pages,
of your comic books, your super-crooks, and show us all the way!"

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From: clive@snoopy.Aus.Sun.COM (Clive Blackmore - IR Australia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CV Extra : Superman to return in 2 week
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:04:49 GMT
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To All.

All I can say is that there is/was only Superman, Clark Kent, whether it is Earth-1 or Earth-2.

Clive
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From: isc30042@nusunix1.nus.sg (PEH YEW HOCK)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: White Trash #2
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:05:07 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Is the White Trash #2 out from Tundra yet ?
From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
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Subject: Re: Harvey does Ultraman (recommended!)
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:22:43 GMT
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intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:


> > Ultraman is a 3 issue miniseries and issue number 1 comes in two
> > formats. Regular and Gimmmick (with awesome Japanese monster card
> > and special  poly-bag design). 

>Yeeeow!  WHEN??

>Where the new series falls flat is because it was filmed in Australia
>with a notably caucasian cast, so it lacks that "goofy" factor of the
>70's ULTRAMAN and ULTRA SEVEN series, or of GODZILLA movies. 

Heeeeey!!!!!!   What's wrong with being filmed in Australia, matey!
We'd find it pretty goofy here ("Hey, I liked that shop they just
*trashed*!")

I'd actually prefer a reprint of _Ultra_Klutz_ myself.

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From: crisper@deeptht.armory.com (Crisper Than Thou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Summary: Non-existent books, comics, and films, hmmmm?
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:47:03 GMT
Organization: The Armory, Santa Cruz

In books, I should think two choices would be obvious:

Morgenstern's THE PRINCESS BRIDE (the unabridged original, of course)
and THE GONDOLIER as well.

the original AL-AZIF. Necronomicons are a dime a dozen, and I don't know
a lick of Arabic, but maybe that's a good idea where this book is concerned...

Can't think of any films or comics.

	--The Elder Dan
	(would have listed director's cut of BLADERUNNER but that
	 one's been checked out now, as it were....)
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Subject: The 2099 books should NOT go! ... and Spidey titles
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:46:09 GMT

 jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>
>>All (sorry PAD) the 2099 line.
>Am I the only one who thinks these titles are even halfway decent? Maybe
>it's because I've become a fan of such "cyberpunk"-style fiction that I
>enjoy SPIDER-MAN 2099 and DOOM 2099 most of all. 

	Count me in, too!  Spidey 2099 is a consistently enjoyable read,
and as I have posted before, holds great promise.  I hope this one lasts
a long time, and with the same creative team.  Am I the only person who
likes Leonardi's art?  Doom 2099 is good, too, but the other two are
throwaways from what I've seen / heard.  This 2099 Unlimited thing might
be alright.

>One thing I know I'm gonna get tired of is the constant use of "shock" in
>place of "f_ck". One of my biggest gripes with D.P.7 was the use of
>"psuedo-profanity". If you're going to have the characters swear and use
>"mature" language, then at least have the balls to use the real words!

	I like "shock"!  At first I cringed, but in Spidey 2099 #4 it's
used to its best humourous effect yet. 

>Another gripe I had with the 2099 series was the "teasers" in MARVEL
>COMICS PRESENTS. I went and bought the issue with the DOOM 2099 teaser,
>hoping that there might be a nifty 8-page prologue to the series, and
>all it is the first 8 pages of DOOM 2099 #1! the RAVAGE 2099 preview was
>the same, except it was taken from issue 2. 

	Yeah this ticked me off, too.  A prologue story would have been
nice.  Same goes for the Spidey "teaser" in A.S.M. #365 (the hologram
one).

>Does anybody have a reason--other than they fact that they're new
>titles--for seeing the 2099 line go?

	I guess not.

>>Some of the Spidey titles, especially one of the reprint titles
>ONE of them? He has more than one?
>Actually, now that SPIDER-MAN has joined the rest of them in terms of
>storytelling, it could probably go. I'd keep AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, and I
>guess SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN is doing some good work right now. We don't
>need 4 Spider-titles, when all of the stuff they're doing is the same.

	I had the idea a while ago that "eponymous" Spider-Man should
probably be turned into a quarterly comic with revolving creative teams.
Make it a bit thicker, and maybe deal with stories that take place in
the "past" of Spidey's continuity.  They can still do that with a
monthly book, but that means fillers every now and then (like we've
seen).  Now that they're coming out with _Unlimited_, I think a
quarterly comic, mayhaps they're saturating the market somewhat.  But as
it stands right now 4 titles ain't too much, as long as only three of
them (ASM, Spec., Web) are tied to the same continuity, and that it's a
very tight one.
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Valiant Issues
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 07:39:46 EST

jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:

Re Shadowman:

> 	Did you dislike it because it was a superhero book, and not a clone
> of Sandman or Cerebus, or was it just the fact that you didn't like the
> writing or character?

I like superhero books.  I like superhero books a lot.  Shadowman isn't 
exactly a superhero.... he's a sort of supernatural hero without a 
discernable cause.  I liked this even less after I learned that 
Englehart's original plan was to make the cannibal-serial-killer a 
regular villain.   (Eeeyuck.)  Even if Shadowman WAS a real superhero 
(and he had lots of potential) he ended up being shallow and 
one-dimensional.  I liked him best in the first few pages.... :-)

> 	I have to agree with you. Shadowman shouldn't have been involved in
> Unity. Of all the Valiant titles, this title was the one that just didn't
> work in Unity. Kind of like Spiderman being in the Infinity Whatever; he
> just doesn't fit into the "clash of gods" idea.

Yeah.  Suddenly this New-Orleans-nightstalker type was in a science 
fiction setting fighting on pterodactyls.  It sort of ruined the mood.

> 	Yes, but there is such a thing as talking a subject to death. I'm not 
> flaming anyone, but recent threads for Sandman have had everyone trying to 
> guess where Destruction was; isn't it enough to let the writer tell the story
> or is it more fun to second-guess him?
> 

SOmetimes the urge and desire (Desire?) to second-guess a writer is 
irresistable, especially when the writer tries to play games with the 
reader like Gaiman does.  Gaiman sets up these puzzles and we take 
pleasure (as he invites us to do) in figuring them out.  If you don't 
enjoy the game, skip those messages.... It's just that it's like a 
massive scavenger-hunt, trivial pursuit session, and logic puzzle all 
thrown together with no rules and with Gaiman making it up as he goes 
along.

How could I resist?  IT's great stuff.  Reading Sandman is fun, but 
talking about Sandman is fun too.

Namaste,
Elizabeth




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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Harbinger?: Is Peter aka. Sting gay???
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:00:06 GMT

>>I just read Harbinger #8 and realized Sting's true feelings are
>>of a homosexual nature. In the wormhole he was saddened by his
>>inner thoughts and admitted to being in love with Torque. So I
>>figure ol' boy peter is a pumpkin eater(bi-sexual). Anyone know
>>more about this? Thanks,
>
>I think you're off base.

I sat and looked at the original post for the longest time, wondering if
there was anything discrimintory about it. I still don't know, so I
won't jump down anybodys throat over it. However, at the risk of being
obvious, one can express love and affection for a member of the same
sex, without having sexual feeling for that person. Seems obvious to me,
perhaps not so to others.

However, I do know that I don't like the term "pumpkin eater". Just kind
of sits there and eats at me.

As for Sting himself, I agree with Jim. I think your off base on your
assessment of the character. Perhaps you should try reading the entire
series (if you haven't done so already) and re-evaluate your assessment
of the character.

_craig

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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Did Ya' Notice in Future Imperfect
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 05:07:50 GMT

In article <C0KEzq.7nH@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
>In <lks23vINNjki@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>
>[much deleted]
>>There's also an urn labelled "She", which seems to me to be a reference
>>to a rather terrible film about some amazons in a postnuclear future
>>(the name itself is derived from a Rider Haggard novel).
>
>  Actually, She was a very uninteresting Marvel character, as I 
>recall an artificial woman who spend all her time looking for a perfect
>mate, annoying such heroes as Thor and Adam Warlock. 

Nope.  Said artificial woman is named "Her".  Former name "Paragon."
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Blue Comet
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:29:47 GMT

	Just out of curiosity, how many people have read any titles
published by this tiny little independent company called Blue Comet
Press?  The name of some of the books are L.I.F.E Brigade, Rough Raiders,
and Bladesmen.  If you have read any of them, what did you think?
Do you think any of them have the potential to become good books?
	E-mail or post, either's fine by me.



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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Subject: Re: Random thoughts on Supes.(Was RE: SUPERMAN : no new Life in sigh
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:29:54 GMT

pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

> In article <1993Jan3.231856.4805@spcvxb.spc.edu>, juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu write
> > 
> > In the rumors I've heard, DC planned to keep him dead from 6 months to a ye
> > According to the latest "Funeral for a Friend" #5(it's a personal hunch, 
> > nothing legit) it seems that maybe he will recover somewhere around Easter.
> 
> Supes will be back in April.  No mention of his form or disposition (I'd be
> pissed if the last thing I remebered was having my neck broken.. ;) ), but he
> will be back in April.
> 
> PJH

Geez, I'd been joking that Easter would be a great time for the 
resurection issue, but I wasn't that serious.
Ok guys, since we've had it up to here with Supes's death, which 
character's death did you think was best. I always liked Karate Kid's in 
LSH (V3) #4. With Brainwave's death in Infinity, Inc. # 10 in a close 
second.


Dascoser
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From: mobey@arrods.enet.dec.com (arrods::mobey)
Subject:      Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:40:30 GMT
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: What if...
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 09:03:59 EST

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

> and some sort of leather leotard.  
> 
> (And I will be very cross if anyone says that they'd really like to see Death
>  dressed in this manner.)
> 

Lance, I would let Death dress however she wanted and I wouldn't argue 
at all.

Sadly, Marvel already has two titles that could or should be 
Sandman-like: Sleepwalker and Dr. Strange.  Both are bad.  This might 
change for the latter some day, probably not the former.  (Concept doomed 
from the start....)

Namaste,
ELizabeth



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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:32:39 GMT


Here's another one:  all the books from Prospero's library
(as seen in Peter Greenway's PROSPERO'S BOOKS).
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From: faill@gca.com (Peter Faill)
Subject: Comic Cover GIF's
Organization: GCA Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:47:53 GMT

I'm the guy who posted the Crime SuspenStory #20 GIF the
other day.  I did it because I thought it was a cool cover
AND it is significant historically with regard to the 
senate hearings of the 50's, Dr. Wertham's crusade to ban
comics, and the eventual creation of the Comic Code Authority.

Since my post, I've received some email telling me that
rec.arts.comics.misc is not an appropriate place to post
GIFS.

1st Question:  Do people enjoy seeing these covers?
If not, I'll stop posting.  If they do, I'll continue posting
other interesting stuff from the 50's.

2nd Question:  If the .misc subgroup of rec.arts.comics is not
the correct location for comic GIFs, where should they go?
I don't think alt.binaries.pictures.misc would be such a great
place since the only people interested in these covers would
be comic fans.

Pete
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: VG: unmentioned new Vertigo titles
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:41:00 GMT

In the issue of _Previews_ devoted to Vertigo, there's a bound card insert
between pages 48 and 49 that has a list of Vertigo titles on the back.
We've heard a lot about many of them, but there are some I've not heard
of anywhere else:
	American Freak
	A Tale of Un-Men
	Infernal Machine: A Love Story
	Jonah Hex: Two Gun Mojo
	Shadows Fall
	Skin Graft
	Tattered Banners
	The Last One
	The Phantom Stranger Special
	The Witching Hour

Has anyone heard anything about these?

	-dp-
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From: slp43173@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Spencer Lee Pasero)
Subject: SANDMAN:  Distant Mirrors (repeat post...sorry)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:29:11 GMT

I posted this about three weeks ago, but shortly afterwards, I temporarily lost
use of my modem, so I didn't see any replies (if any were posted).  Anyway...

Does anyone know if the Distant Mirrors run (Thermidor, August, & Three
Septembers and a January) will be included in the upcoming A Game of You TPB?
Thanks in advance.

Feeling your pain,

Spence

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From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer)
Subject: Re: Sandman: Lucien's Library
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:04:31 GMT

Movies:
  Star Trek VII: The Death of James T. Kirk
		Produced by The Great Bird

  Silverado 2

  Stranger in a Strange Land
		Screen play by R.A.H.,

  Dr. Seuss Bonanza, starring Jim Henson's Muppets

  Ender's Game		
TV:
  The 1992 season of Monty Python's Flying Circus

  At least 1 more episode of Cheers with the Coach.

Books:

  Heinlein's post-1968 novels written by pre-1968 Heinlein

  Dr. Seuss's next 25 children's books

Comic Books:
  Star Trek: Trelane's Tribbles
		Written by Peter David

  Legion of Super Heroes - The Lost 5 years
		Written by Paul Levitz

  Any FF comic book where Reed Richards makes a mistake

  The marriage of Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle


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From: horde@reed.edu (Mr. Heiji Horde)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CV Extra:  Superman to resume in 2 weeks
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:56:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan8.185653.15136
Organization: Madd Hacker Productions

In article <1ikc6fINNg3g@alice.cs.purdue.edu> berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:
>>...
>>resume publication, with Superman #77 going out to distributors in
>>about 2 weeks.  "An announcement can be expected in February," she
>...
>But February is more than two weeks away.  Doesn't it seem a bit
>silly to make an announcement after the books are shipped? ...

Heh...If I remember right, Superman #77 is the final part of "Funeral
  For A Friend" so that part isn't silly at all.
The announcement for February should be solicitations for Adventures of
  Superman #500 which is coming out in April.

	-Heiji
	 horde@reed.edu
From: DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Crisis at DC?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:36:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

It would be worth reading this newsgroup just to see the occasional
poor soul asking for a simple/brief explannation of the DC Crisis...

Sorry, my man there ain't no such thing. Asking what the Crisis was
is essemtial a Zen Koan (i.e. "What is the sound of one hand clapping?")

Those of us who read it as it was published (it was a 12 issue mini-series)
didn't understand it then and we don't understand it now.

Essentially all continuity of comics BEFORE the Crisis can be freely
ignored. The particulars are unending (look at LSH).

My answer: Don't worry about it.

Dr. Allosaurus
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Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
From: silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:55:28 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1ietupINNin9@titan.ucc.umass.edu> donovan@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sean Donovan) writes:
>At least 1 other Presidential cameo I can think of:  Ron Reagan and Mikhail
>Gorbachev in Batman: Son of the Demon.  Oh, wait:  Ron Reagan again in 
>Dark Knight Returns III & IV.  Any others?
>

Ronald Reagan in Avengers #231 (he is taken hostage, with Nick Fury if I
remember right).

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