HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: Hate mail
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.013844.16217@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>in article <1992Sep9.193614.29594@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com
>(kathy beatty) writes:
> >I blame this on you of the cabal! If Melinda hasn't yet been appointed a 
> >goddess, why not? If she has, why hasn't this been publicized?
>no one gets *appointed*, they get *acclaimed*.  but you know she's 
>already Motss Harpy, which in cabaland is on the highest level of deity.

Gee, what happened to Melinda's position as spokesperson for the 
'alternative sex' community? Job-hopping *again*, Melinda?!?

- Polly "Cabal Card or Bust" Powledge [still pondering the layers
  of meaning in the phrase "academic bitch"]


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From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Motss interest of Andrew
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <28AUG92.17500442@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>Fairchild Tropical Gardens:  Every non-palm tree down.  A huge loss.
>Turkey Point Power Plant:  undamaged.
>Coral Castle:  undamaged (remind me to tell you this story later)
>Metro-Zoo:  Heavily damaged.  Animal losses light except for 300 rare
>            birds lost.  Flamingoes were placed in bathrooms for safety
>            and survived.

Okay -- tell us about Coral Castle.  We love gossip disguised as news...

Laura

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: a strange juxtaposition
Keywords: oleanders, unnatural sex
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:31:24 GMT

Two recent stories in our local news have been; the campaign of a 
town councilwoman to have oleanders (a highly toxic decorative shrub)
removed from all city parks and public property, and the recent police 
raid of a remote public beach which is a popular hang-out for gay men.
Apparently somebody didn't quite get it.  The paper has a daily public
opinion column.  They post a question and people call in to voice an 
opinion.  The results are given the next day.  One day's question was:

      "Should Hampton pull oleanders from its parks?"

one caller replied:

      "Yes, and anybody else committing an unnatural sex act."

-- 



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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:34:36 EDT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

> 
> Let me try: hereditary heliophobic spasmatical sternutation?
> 


.... Shouldn't that be heliosensitive, not heliophobic?

Unless we're talking about some form of vampirism.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:55:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep10.145554.28979
Organization: insert anything here

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>The way those
>reports quoted the European gay groups as saying "he ENJOYED it" was
>delicious.  And, I'm firmly in the Anthony Berno camp--don't tell me
>that it's a hoax or that he was raped and killed.  I want to imagine
>that my Neanderthal, in totally revealing leather, walked bowlegged
>across the Alpine tundra.  Sigh.

	.... with a smile on his face.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:54:54 GMT

In article <laq6hsINN3ur@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com writes:
>With all of this talk of the SF Folsom Street Fair, can someone give me the
>dates of it for this year.
>
>
>Thanks

This will of course be the umpteenth posting of this, but here goes:

The actual Fair is:

Date:  Sunday Sept. 20th
Location: Folsom St. (between 7th and 11th Streets)

Other events:

Mr. Drummer contest both Friday and Saturday nights.  This year to be held in
a tent just outside of the Eagle.  (tickets for both nights will run you $85.00)

Sunday night is 'Pigs in Paradise IV -- Laying down the Law'.  This is a dance
put on by the Golden State Peace Officers Assoc. and will be at the PleasureDome
from 8:00pm until 3:00am monday morning.

There are other things going on that I'm sure someone will post about.

Chuck


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From: dcoster@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David P. Coster)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,princeton.general,princeton.grad
Subject: LGBA Community Meeting, Wed, Sept 16
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:29:08 GMT
Distribution: princeton
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:07:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



(me)
>Some of them spend hours getting the lines right, working on the facial 
>expressions - - the way someone would work at developing a good 
>British accent, for example.

(markm)
/Ever watch a couple 4th graders fight.  Kind of funny, huh?  Ever see
/a few college kids jump someone and beat them half to death.  A little
/more practiced.  Take your moral indignation to the world, Bob.  Lots
/of things in this life are practiced behaviors, including bigotry.

???

And you accuse *me* of sidestepping questions and refusing to answer?

I am still waiting on your answer to this, Mark.

Again, you fail to address the point.  And you have tried to shift the
discussion to something else.  Unfortunately, the point is still left
unaddressed, Mark:
If it is practiced behavior (as you finally admit to) then it is 
controllable.  Why should gays engage in practiced, deliberate behavior 
that plays right into the hands' of straight stereotypes?


(me)
>They are both (in my opinion) attention-getting mechanisms,
>which unfortunately don't do the gay movement any good.

(markm)
/IN YOUR OPINION!!  Please remember not to speak for the world until
/such time a Elizabeth appoints you heir apparant.


If it is an attention-getting mechanism, then what are the effects of it? 
It is good, or bad?

Again, you fail to address the point.  




>(laura)
>/ If they are
>/ hurting you, can you find any moral ground between wishing that they 
>/ were not there and wishing that all Gaypeople were not there?

>(me)
>Well, this gets back to the question of:  is it possible for individual
>members of a group to act in ways that defeat group goals?  
>
>If "no", explain how this is impossible.
>
>If "yes", describe how such an event could be identified; what are its
>characteristic qualities?

/(markm)
/Not fair, Bob.  She asked first.  


Wrong.  I asked my question at least three times over the last month.
She did not answer it, but posed a question of her own.  By your own
rules, she has no right to expect an answer to her question until she
first answers mine.

You are wrong again, Mark. 

And you again fail to address the point I made above.  Is it possible
for members of a minority to act in ways that defeat group goals?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: adoption
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:52:34 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
: 
: >But how about fucking Ms. Congeniality?
: 
: Depends on the person...
: 
: Reflecting on the extreme importance of prepositions in some cases,
: 
Don't forget the extreme importance of propositions, either.


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 05:47:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <65586@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) 
writes:
>
>Unfortunately, the whole thing is a hoax; the Austrian newspaper
>that originally reported this has admitted that the whole thing
>was made up (at least about Otzi having cum up his bum).
>
>We recieved a faxed warning about this story at work yesterday,
>from the source that originally distributed it.

There's a fax service which sends out messages about bogus sex stories?
Where on earth do you work?

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:30:45 GMT

In article <71934@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>>>And this is what was going on at the RNC. The Republican Party thought
>>>that "family values" was an issue that the electorate cared about,
>>>cared about enough that they could get votes. They get this impression
>>>from groups like the CFV and the OCA. When the Republicans embrace the
>>>OCA agenda, the OCA is legitimized.

>>Nelson, they did not.  They absolutely did not.  "Family Values" is
>>exactly what I said it was:  an attempt to divert attention from
>>economic difficulties.

Response to Matthew:  um, yes, so?

The Republican Party leadership may not care much about family values or
lesbigay folk, but how much in the end does this matter?

I doubt that most Germans in the '30s hated the Jews, at least in any personal
fashion.  The National Socialist leadership probably didn't care that much
about the Jews.  The Jews (along with gypsies, gayfolk, Communists and others)
made a nice way of diverting attention from serious economic difficulties and
rallying the nation together.  A little ``tactical diversion'' got taken to
incredible extremes, without ever needing that many people to take it
seriously (only turn their eyes).

>>The more press given to Family Values, the less press given to Bush's lack
>>of an economic plan.  It is a hard, cynical reality.

Seems more of a fantasy to me, if you expect people to listen to fairly dry,
erudite explanations of why Bush's economic plan isn't an economic plan.
Sure, people vote on economics.  And when they have a sense that something has
gone terribly wrong, and they don't understand why, then having a group to
scapegoat does wonders.

Joel
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: nambla bashing (was, harrassing 'phone calls)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:27:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <thaaang.716442898@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Oh dear. First I thought the header said 'lambda bashing'...

In practical terms, there's not much difference.  Lots of 'phobes use
NAMBLA as an excuse to bash all g.l.b's, as anyone who reads this group
should realize. 


-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Multi-Index Characterization (Re: your sexuality as an organism)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:27:48 GMT

jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:

>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>> (*) I almost wrote "practize" as a joke on British spellings, but it
>> looked dumb. Then I looked it up, and found that "practice" and
>> "practise" are both acceptable. ARGH.

>`Practice' is the noun;  `practise' is the verb.
>Like advice/advise and licence/license.

Fuck this noise! Too damn many words!

ug-ug,

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:35:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.154447.25172@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu  
(Melinda Shore) writes:
} In article <1992Sep9.074413.21095@wam.umd.edu>, jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N.  
Shaumeyer) writes:
} > Now that Kathy's signalled the beginning
} > of a good accordion bash, [ ... ]
} 
} Goody!
} 
} Q:  If you drop an accordion and a banjo off the roof
}     at the same time, which hits the ground first?
} 
} A:  Who cares?

C'mon, accordions are cool!  At first, I thought an accordion was an extinct,  
archaic musical instrument, but I've heard it used pretty decently in a couple  
of songs, one being "Libertango (I've Seen That Face Before)" off of Grace  
Jones' `Nightclubbing' album.  I really got into Astor Piazolla ...

*smile*
Donald
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:49:43 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <8255.1189@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>,
lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:

> As I have stated in the past...Cramer, IMHO, is trying to foment
> civil unrest...this should be evident by his postings.
> [...]
> As such, the fomenting
> of civil unrest can be prosecuted in a court of law.  The only
> road block one would have is to prove that this is what the
> person is trying to do.
> 
> Are there any legal begals on this group that can comment
> further?

Oh, come on.  The fellow is just a screw-ball.  It isn't as
if he were anyone important.

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:11:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.232120.25206@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>If you caught the "60 Minutes" piece last night (9/13) on gay cops, you
>can quickly see how the police force is (along with the military) one 
>of the last bastions of "old boy macho-ism" where it is socially
>acceptable to discriminate against gays.  

Huh.  And here I was, thinking that one of the last bastions
of "old boy macho-ism" was Boob's brain ("This is Boob's brain.
This is Boob's brain on testosterone.  Any questions?").
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: Re: Sung Hai! Dinner
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:13:41 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <92252.172719SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Tovah Hollander is an opera buff and gives great visuals.  She did
>a version of the Tales of Hoffman she saw, and I traded it for one
>of Thais.  Neither of us did the audio.

You should've come to the Henry Mensch Dinner this week, where I decided
I simply *had* to regale all and sundry with a rendition of "Frank Mills"
from HAIR when I realized that it was September 12th and we were standing
right there, in front of the Waverly!  (The Waverly Inn, anyhow.)

(All and sundry were not nearly appreciative enough.)

-- 
Tovah Hollander
tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
From: jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Summary: Was Tilden "On The Bus"?
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:46:41 GMT
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.

In article <_1sn#vm.foucault@netcom.com> foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
>In article <5#rn++-.rich@netcom.com> rich@netcom.com (Richard Poppen) writes:
>>In article <joelp.715858465@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk
>>
>>>In 1876 James (?) Tilden defeated Rutherford B. Hayes in the popular vote, but
>>>the electoral votes from a number of Southern states were contested.  The
>>>Republican-dominated Congress set up a Republican-dominated committee which
>>>awarded all the disputed votes to Hayes.
>>
>
>I think the committee had seven Democrats and seven Republicans; the awarded
>votes were given to Hayes in return for scrapping Reconstruction powers of
>the Fed. Tilden was sacrificed.
>
>Motss relevance? Less Than Zero.
>
>

But is it? I have a dim memory of reading "1876" by Gore Vidal, which
is about this very incident. Samuel Tilden was a reform
politician from New York, wasn't he? I recall several of Vidal's
characters making innuendos based on Tilden's "long-time bachelorhood"
and lack of the conventional family life so beloved by Americans.

How much is there that doesn't have Motss relevance. Would so many
Motssketeers know so much about this election if Gore Vidal hadn't
written a book about it?
Yours, JonTom
	

-- 
"'Life is distracting and uncertain'
  she said, and went to draw the curtain" - The Eleventh Episode, Edward Gorey
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins
Organization: UCCSNCS
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:59:48 GMT

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>According to his obituary in the San Francisco Examiner,
>Anthony Perkins put together this statement earlier this
>week:
>
>    "I chose not to go public about this because, to misquote
>    'Casablanca,' 'I'm not much at being noble but it doesn't
>    take much to see that the problems of one old actor don't
>    amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.'"

The quote from Perkins that struck me was:

	     "There are many people who believe that this disease
	is God's vengeance, but I believe it was sent to teach
	people how to love and understand and have compassion.
	     "I have learned more about love, selflessness and
	human understanding from the people I have met in this
	great adventure in the world of AIDS than I ever did in
	the cutthroat, competitive world in which I spent my life."

I had just spent a good part of the day before at a Nevada AIDS
Project fundraiser where I witnessed exactly what he's talking
about.
 
The Associated Press article ran on the front page of the _Las
Vegas Review-Journal_.

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p
From: ye@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gordon Ye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Second Closet
Date: 4 Sep 1992 22:53:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep4.175020.859@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>Portentous Subject, huh?  Actually, this is just about gay
>Republicans!  There's an article in today's NYTimes (9/4/92)
>profiling one Paul von Wupperfield, president of the Texas
>Log Cabin Republicans ("it would be unnatural for me to vote
>as a Democrat").  He claims that the nastiness at the RNC
>in Houston has led to "thousands more" gay Republicans
>venturing out of said Second Closet onto his mailing list.

I see this as a clearly positive turn of events.  While open
gays may ponder upon the seeming paradox of being "gay
republican", the fact is that they exist: just count our
numbers and see if it actually represents 6-10% of the US
population.  If not, then obviously the rest of that 6-10%
are closeted and can be either democrat or republican.  These
are the people who could support our cause once organized
but are not doing so due to their non-membership in the 
so-called "gay-world"-democrats.  You hear talk about
"big-tent" in the republican party, I think the "gay-world"
should be a "big-tent" and emcompass divergent political
philosophies, thus able to enlist the strength and talent
of all gays.  To me the name "republican" is meaningless
since people with moderate to ultra-conservative politics
all try to impose their own philosophies onto the party.
Thus the second word in the phrase "gay-republican" is meaningless
and should not beget belittlement. 

>Also, "the hostility in the gay community toward me as an
>openly gay Republican is every bit as bad, if not worse, than
>the hostility I get as a gay person."  And he still believes
>that "celebrating individual freedom and minimal government"
>are "Republican hallmarks."  His lover's a Republican too.

Sometimes associations made early in life are hard to change
even if the entities involved have changed dramatically.  Unfortunately
this political constituent is being betrayed by the party that in the
past might have supported them.

>-- 
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>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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Gordon
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:02:35 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <Bu1Crr.3Gq@agora.rain.com> batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie) writes:
>wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:
>>If gay people had electoral votes, AIDS would have received the proper
>>attention it should have many, many years ago.
>
>If gay people weren't so f*****g apathetic, we'd *have* the electoral
>votes.

No, only states have electoral votes. Perhaps if we were more politically
active we could control more of the general vote, but all of the electoral
votes from a particular state are voted the way the majority votes.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Sim is OK!!
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:01:28 GMT

In article <1393@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:

>In article <31AUG92.15262645@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>
>>It is pronounced like David, just spelled differently.
>
>Oh. Just like Luxury Yacht is pronounced Throat-warbler Mangrove.

Do you speak English?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
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