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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Gut Yuntif Gut Yohr
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:15:16 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <87093@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
> I came across a very odd collection of Yiddish poetry and songs.  Marie
> B Jaffe GUT YUNTIF GUT YOHR (Carol, 1991) $7.95 [ISBN 0-8065-0390-4] is
> a mixture of translations and original verse, all rather tacky or merely
> weird from the Yiddish point of view.  She uses the Latin alphabet.
>
> The translations come with English originals.  Here are a few--see if
> you can identify the originals:
>
> 	Affen shpitz Alten Smoky, beshoten mit shney,
> 	Dort hob ich ferloiren mein liebsten, oi veh!


"ON TOP OF 'OLE SMOKY, ALL COVERED WITH SNOW"  etc. etc.


As my grandmother used to say: "Tell me, from *this* she makes a living" ?

Apropos Yiddish: Our cardiology department is currently investigating spectral
analysis of RR intervals as well as nonlinear cardiac dynamics, and one of the
projects involves checking heart rate in psychiatric patients. I couldn't
resist cracking a few Yiddish "psychiatry" jokes to one of the psychiatrists.

A woman walks in to the REBBE and says, "OY. ICH HUT ZURES. MEIN MAN IS A
MESHIGGINER. EHR TANTST MIT SHIKSES AND FRESSEN CHAZIR". THe REBBE looks up and
says: "EHR IS NISHT MESHIGGA. TANTZEN MIT CHAZERIM UND FRESSEN SHIKSAS IS
MESHUGGA".

(rough translation: A lady walks in to the Rabbi and says that her husband is
crazy since he goes out dancing with nonjewish women and eats pork. The Rabbi
looks up and says: "he's not crazy. When he starts dancing with pigs and
starts cannabalizing nonjewish women, *then* you'll know he's crazy".)


The second one:

The old timer is getting a little senile so his two sons, Herbie and Murray,
call in a psychiatrist. The doctor walks in and starts talking with the old
timer. GEHRET UND GEHRET UND GEHRET (talks and talks and talks). Finally, the
old timer picks up his head and says, "Herbie, ZUG MIR, DER MISHIGGINER is
still here ?"

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL






>
> 	Ver is Sheyndeleh?  Vos is zie, ... ?
>
> 	Nehnter zich, liebeh viegeleh,
> 	Kum tzu mir und fier mir aheym;
>
> 	Oi gib mir ah heym vu die bufloksen geyn,
> 	Vu die hirshelach shpielen oif's land;
>
> 	'Sis geven erev krismes, und shtil is in heizel,
> 	Kein nefeshel rirt zich, afileh kein meizel.
>
> The following is from one of the author's own:
>
> 	Hob rachmohnes, chaver mein,
> 	Zei bei mir ah Valentine.
>
> Usually one talks about losing something in translation.  This book is
> an example of gaining something in translation.
> --
> -Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Jewish Popes? (was Vatican, Israel and Hidden Children)
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:49:30 GMT

The back of my copy of E.R. Chamberlin's _The Bad Popes_ has the following
blurb:

Also from Dorset Press:

_Popes from the Ghetto_ by Joachim Prinz

"Is the Pope Catholic?" The answer wasn't always yes, according to astonishing
new evidence that reveals medieval popes Anaclet II, Gregory VI, and Gregory
VII came from Jewish families.  Through a colorful examination of these "Jewish"
popes, Prinz illuminates much about the complex history of Judeo-Christian
relations.

End of quote

My copy of Kelly's _Oxford Dictionary of Popes_ lists Anacletus II as an
antipope who reigned contemporaneously with Innocent II.  Here is a brief
extract from his listing:

Pietro [Anacletus's real name], of the famous Pierleoni family, great-grandson
of the converted Jew Baruch-Benedict, was the leading member of [a conservative
group of cardinals].

Kelly says that Gregory VI (not to be confused with the antipope Gregory VI)
was "possibly related to the wealthy banking family of the Pierleoni".

Kelly's entry on the great St. Gregory VII does not mention any Jewish
origins, stating only that he was born Hildebrand of humble origins in Tuscany.

Aryk Nusbacher

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Missionary Aid
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:20:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.161304.16097@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:

>I would like to know of books, etc, that can be used when debating/refuting
>christian missionaries. I know of the book "You take Jesus, I'll take G-D",
>and I am sure that there must be many more that are recommendable.
>
>If anyone has any favorite arguments to use against such missionaries, I would 
>appreciate hearing that too.

A great text to have in hand when talking with aggressive missionaries is the
13th chapter of Deuteronomy.  It is especially effective in discussing miracles,
since it discusses false prophets who perform miracles.

The tack I prefer to use with well-meaning missionaries who don't indulge in
text tricks (like the ol' Jews for Jesus reading of the shema as trinitarian)
is to agree with them on all points except belief.  I readily agree that the
gospels and the epistles say this or that, but I just refuse to believe the
gospels and epistles of the New Testament.  It's a fine point, but it generally
works for me.

"Yes, there is a direct connection between that verse of Isaiah and this
point on the New Testament, but I don't believe it's significant."  That sort
of thing.  "Yes, the Gospel according to Mark says that, but I don't believe
it just on St. Mark's say-so."

And missionaries who play tricks on vulnerable youth (like the JFJ who told my
12-year-old sister that the Lord our God the Lord is One referred to the Father,
the Son and the Holy Ghost) don't deserve interlocution at all.  When they
come up to me, I generally shout at them until they go away.  Which, in a polite
place like Toronto, is very effective.  Feels good, too.

Just my 1.7 cents (US) worth.

Aryk Nusbacher
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Info wanted: New London, Conn.
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:16:25 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6202]: bourbon

In article <1992Aug28.180314.1440@bcrka451.bnr.ca> lorne Brown writes:
>A friend of mine,(female) is moving to New London in the next
>few days. If anyone has some useful information or contacts,
>it would be appreciated.  I don't think she knows anybody there.
>What's the Jewish population? Kosher restaurants?, shuls?
>Is it near any large Jewish population centres?
>
>Lorne Brown, Ottawa, Canada. Phone number from anywhere in USA
>or Canada - 1-613-722-9365
>
>Thanks for your help

Mail got bounced back, so apologies for the general post:

Contact Rabbi Bluming, Cong. Ahavath Chesed, 1357 Plant St., New      
London, CT 06477, 203-795-5261   

David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: "Shelomoh_Slawomir_ZIENIUK, Secretary,               DEGEL_HATORAH_Jewish_Circle_for_Arts_and_Sciences,               WARSAW, po-land" <SHELOMOH@PLEARN.PL.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Israeli abbreviation?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <"Shelomoh_Slawomir_ZIENIUK, Secretary,               DEGEL_HATORAH_Jewish_Circle_for_Arts_and_Sciences,               WARSAW, po-land" <SHELOMOH@PLEARN.PL.BITNET>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:36:12 GMT

Shalom uvrakha Tim|

B.M. = b'aravon mugbal =  Hebrew: 'limited guarantee' = Ivrit counterpart for
'Ltd' (British English)/'Inc.' (American English), as part of companies' names
-- which myself have learnt on the s.c.j. net today havin' read a message from
the gentleman What's-his-name-regrettably-can't-remember (since the memo of my
comp hasn't stored it for longer; consequently, incapable of forwardin' U the
1st-hand message).

Shalom-Shalom Shelemah miShelomoh|
Peacefully Thine obediently,
shX <shelomoh@PLEARN.PL.BITNET>

Shelomoh_Slawomir_ZIENIUK
(student, 5th year, English-Russian group),
c/o Institute_of_Applied_Linguistics (I.L.S.),
University_of_Warsaw (U.W.),
ul. Browarna 8/10 (II p.),
PL-00-311 WARSZAWA/WARSAW,
po-land, Eastern Europe.

N.B.: Mazal tov leKha:
       wish Thee
        all the best
         (& at the best interest rate)
        on Thy openin'
       a bank account
      beXArtzenu: XEretz Tziyon viYrushalayim|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: taschr01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: hebrew fonts
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:39:50 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Does anyone know the address/phone of Kabbala Software somewhere
in N Jersey?  Or perhaps other place to get Hebrew soft fonts for
Word Perfect 5.1?  Reply by email to TASCHR01@louisville.ulkyvx.edu

Thanks
From: churchh@ut-emx.uucp (Henry Churchyard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Taking a Computer to Israel
Summary: Mac bomb!
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:46:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas


  This thread reminds me of an anecdote I once heard, when someone
tried to bring a Mac into Israel in the very early days of the Mac
(1984~1985); Israeli customs/security were suspicious, because the Mac
wasn't like other computers they had seen, so they demanded that the
owner turn the computer on to show that it was in fact a functioning
computer.  Of course, when the computer-owner turned it on, it crashed
immediately, splashing a nice bomb icon across the screen.  This
required CONSIDERABLE extra explaining....
--
         --Henry Churchyard     churchh@emx.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211)
Subject: RambaN in translation
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:17:41 GMT

    Say, does anyone out there know if there is a good translation into
English of Nachmanides' Commentaries on the Torah (or, at least, his
Commentaries on Bereishis) ? 
    Thank you, 
       John Sadowsky      djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.195039.9864@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted
Grusec) writes:

>which led to the holocaust.  In any case, are we not too preoccupied
>with the details of the past rather than with getting on with the
>present and future?  What is being done NOW about anti-semitism, and
>about other human wrongs, now that we have seen what the consequences
>of such wrongs can be? 

I think that this is the whole point.  When you have a group attempting
to minimze its complicity/complacency/participation in the Holocaust,
the victims worry even more about potential behaviors should another
Holocaust occur.  The most important indicator of how people will act
in the future can only be determined if you can study what they did in
the past.  If they don't even remember what happened, you can guarantee
a repetition.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:24:47 GMT

dsg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.s.green) writes:


>Many of my relatives were killed during the Holocaust in Europe.  Mostly,
>they were residents of The Pale.


>So?  The facts remain that Auschwitz, and other concentration camps,
>were located in the area of Europe now known as Poland.  The fact
>remains that Jews who lived in The Pale were targeted, rounded up,
>and slaughtered just because they were Jews.  The fact remains that
>the non-Jewish citizens of that land did little to nothing to stop
>the Holocaust.  

And what were they supposed to do? Please enlighten me.
(You do rember that they fought a war in 1939 and lost it, while the rest
of the world was comfortably watching. What else is there to do? Guerilla
war? There was quite a bit of that. Writing letters to the New York
Times?)

W. Dobosiewicz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN)
Subject: RE: Organ Transplants
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:00:56 GMT

Michael Shimshoni <MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL> writes:

>The  practical difference  between those  two conflicting  opinions is
>enormous,  as  the  Haredi  view  would  make  all  heart  transplants
>impossible, and most other ones so much more difficult.

>Although  I personally  do not  live  according to  the halakha,  this
>halakhic  discussion is  of enormous  consequences also  for me  as an
>Israeli.   If the  Haredi view  will influence  the behaviour  of many
>families of potential donors, fewer and fewer organs will be available
>for transplantation,  with the result  of many lives being  lost.  

********************

Another strawman in the religious coercion fantasy that is so
much part of Israeli street culture, characterized by 
irrational bogey man fear of the "dos" and by cheap jokes at 
his expense, let alone comparing him - in words, skits and 
cartoons - to images that would have made Nazi publications 
proud.

The Haredim would almost never be the source of such organs 
because of their complete repugance to post-mortum 
operations.  If dead, according to them, organ removal is 
repugnant; if alive, murder.  

Haredi viewpoints have been shown time and again to have 
little influence on the behavior [as opposed to the speech] 
of those non-Haredim in Israel who are sympathetic to them 
[the one notable exception is their influence in elections, 
which sometimes becomes quite appreciable, for example 
Habad's activities in Sephardic communities in 1988].

And it might be pointed out that Israel exports! [yes, 
exports!] organs for transplant.  

I am afraid that the writer's concerns are exaggerated in 
this case - if not merely premature.



__Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
Jerusalem

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:42:03 GMT

In article <dobo.715275757@swalwell> dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz) writes:
>The "shop Christian"
>campaign was organised by political parties that-by accident, maybe-were
>in opposition to the government of the time. The campaign (and many other
>antisemitic motions) had considerable success. 

So far, you are substantiating the complaints that Jews have raised.

What an atmosphere to have to live in!


>The government did nothing for or against it. 

Sweethearts! And you come here to soc.culture.jewish to tell us about
these wonderful protectors of citizen's rights. Thank you so much for
restoring our faith in human nature. I'll never again think that the
Jews were not respected citizens of the Polish nation.


--Mark
From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Ba'al Hatanya and Saints
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:26:55 GMT
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27175]: bourbon

In article <199208301442.AA08876@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>>
>>Accordingly, the author's learned sons saw fit to publish them together
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>with the preceding sections of the Tanya.
>
>For my  taste this use of  "holy hand" and "saintly  expression" sound
>terribly Christian, but tastes differ.  I  just wish to ask if some of
>the Habad experts on this net could confirm or deny the story that one
>of the sons of the "Alter Rebbe" actually converted, at least for some
>time  to Christianity,  and if  he did,  if that  son was  one of  the
>editors of the above mentioned book.
>
"holy hand" and "saintly expression" prove, perhaps, the difficulty of
translating context and nuance, since these literal translations are,
as Michael points out, problems of taste. I'd be grateful for a
suggestion for a more accurate translation.

Of the Alter Rebbe's 3 sons, all had distinguished rabbinical careers.
Considering their work in support of all Jews against physical and
spiritual oppression, the story is laughably false.

>Later I found this rather curious expression:
>
>>                                                                    The
>>conclusion  of the year's study  and the reallocation  of tractates are
>>traditionally  celebrated on  Yud-Tes  Kislev, the  anniversary of  the
>>Alter  Rebbe's liberation  from  imprisonment and  capital sentence  in
>>Leningrad in 1798.
>
>Connecting the Alter Rebbe with the less saintly Lenin in 1798?
>                                                          ^^^^
>Perhaps Lenin is preferred to *Saint* Peter?   :-)
>
Huh?
Can you clarify this?

>Michael Shimshoni


David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: RambaN in translation
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:34:54 +0000


>     Say, does anyone out there know if there is a good translation into
> English of Nachmanides' Commentaries on the Torah (or, at least, his
> Commentaries on Bereishis) ? 
>     Thank you, 
>        John Sadowsky      djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu

Rabbi Chavel has translated Ramban's commentary on the Torah; it's in
5 volumes with comprehensive notes. I don't know who the Publishers
are, but any good Jewish book store should have it.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:49:58 GMT

kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz) writes:

>You're wrong: 6 million POLISH CITIZENS have been killed during the WWII,
>most of them were polish Jews.

"Most" implies more than half.  All the estimates I have seen say that
between 2 and 3 million Poles of jewish extraction died in WWII. This
is not even half of the 6 million Poles who died (a figure you have
agreed to).

I consider Poles of jewish extraction to be Poles, period. You, on the
other hand, refer to them as Jews, albeit polish, and make a big fuss
about the race difference. So, are you a racist, or just prejudiced?

MB (was MZ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.154028.4953@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>
>Even more significantly, egg creams cannot be made anywhere north of
>Delancy St. in NYC, or south of Henry St.  It's a spiritual thing,
>like "avira d'ar'ah" ("dirt in the air").  Any assertions about
>"legitimate interpretations" or political correctness are pure hogwash.  

I can't believe it.  Eliot disappears, then shows up just to insult
all those folks in the Bronx and Brooklyn.

Personally, if you want to esclude the Brons, that's OK.  They talk
funny, anyway.

But to claim east side egg creams are even half as good as those
from Flatbush is ignorance at best.

>Tragically, I am convinced that real egg creams can no longer be
>found, not even on NY's lower east side; sublty antiSemitic
>health dept. regulations have taken their toll.

Alas, this appears to be true.  I think the secret was that the
glass (with Coca-Cola inscribed in white script) has to be swept
thru a sinkful of used water to rinse it out before being used
either dripping wet or after being wiped only once with a damp rag
hanging from someone's belt.  In Flatbush, anyway.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:16:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug27.134937@uspi2.Prime.COM> dkantor@uspi2.Prime.COM (Dave Kantor) writes:
>I think you'll find that there are many people in this world who choose
>to make their own decisions about how to practice a religion.  These
>choices are based on what is meaningful to them, and what they feel
>enriches their lives.  If someone wants to 'make it up as they go
>along', then so be it.  
>We are all entitled to our own methods of interpretation.
...
>We all have 'our own authority'.  
...
>I don't think any of us have the authority to determine 'legitimacy'
>in terms of religious beliefs.  On what authority do you label other's
>beliefs as illegitimate ?
...
>So anyone who doesn't accept the Torah as 'given' is illogical ?
>There are many reasonable, intelligent people who may not accept 
>it as 'given'.  I would say that someone with 'a logical mind' accepts
>differences and does not tell others they what 'must' do.
...
>Well, here is one Master of Science who WILL pay further attention to all
>viewpoints on this issue.  

Yes, we all have free will to choose how we want to believe.  But you
can't have an organization based on this.  If you want to deny the
Torah, fine.  Just don't call your own interpretation "Judaism",
because it isn't.


-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "I don't even represent myself
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   sometimes so NJIT is right out!.
 ((|,)
  ~|~  Hi! I am a .signature virus, copy me into your .signature file.
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: South Florida
Keywords: Andrew, Jews
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:28:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I hate to burst your bubble here, but did it ever occur to you that there are more
more than just Jews in Miami.  Yeah Jews may need assistance, but so do ALOT
of other people.  The newspaper I saw said something like 600,000 people are
still without power AND WILL BE for some time.  NOT all these people are Jews.
The situation is hardly comparable to Yugoslavia.  It is NOT a warzone.  What
about the migrant workers, the hispanics, etc. i.e.- everybody who is not
Jewish and in the hurricane devastatin area.  If President Bush is not providing
adequate assistance/leadership, it simply goes to show his general opinion of
the entire area, NOT his opinion on Jews.  Every time someone complains about
anti-Semitism where there is none, it hurts Jews, because it weakens every
subsequent complaint about anti-Semitism, even if the subsequent ones are TRUE.
It's simply more fodder for David Duke, et al to say "See, those Jews just
complain about everything don't they.  As if they don't own everything already."
(Or whatever remarks the KKK would say.)  It really begins to become a case of
"the boy who cried wolf."
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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