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From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: De-industrialization
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              Kruchio" at Aug 12, 92 1:59 pm

Agnes Kruchio writes:
> >
> >I am puzzled by the repeated occurrence of the term "de-industrialization of
> > Slovakia". The latest statement to this effect can be found on this list
>  today.
> >     The term entails, of course, that Slovakia was at one time
> > industrialized and then the industry was destroyed or a similar calamity. I
> > don't think that Slovakia was very industrialized while part of Hungary.
> >So could somebody tell me when the industrialization of Slovakia took
>place, who was responsible for it and who later de-industrialized it and when?
>
       There was long discussion lasting many days with many
references to many books about a year ago on this list.  There is no
point in repeating it but basically : yes, slovakia was
deindustrialized; it was between 1918 and 1930, and as for who was
responsible -- that depends on whether you are Slovak, Czech, Marxist,
Liberal or what have you.  The marxists say it was because of rampant
capitalism.  The Czechs say it was because Slovak industry could not
compete without HUngarian subsididies and Hungarian markets. The
Liberals say it was the fault of the Government for not managing the
economy.  The Slovaks say it was the fault of the Czechs.
  Slovak was the industrial area of Hungary just as Bohemia was the
industrial area of Austria.  It was not as highly industrialized, but
yes, it was industrialized.
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From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      syst test
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              Marenovic" at Aug 13, 92 12:39 am

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From:         Stan Brunn <BRUNN@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: foundation
              8 Aug 1992 22:10:31 -0400 from <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>

Is there any source (newspaper or magazine) that discusses the support from
Slovak communities in Germany, US, Canada and elsewhere for particular politica
l parties that ran in the June election? Stan Brunn
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:42:55 CDT
From:         marcia harrington <HARNGTON@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      listservs for local governments

Please respond to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am posting this question to this list because
it seems to have the most diverse community of
participants and I hope that someone out there
in "pacs-l land" can provide some direction.

I am with Public service programs at Virginia Tech
and am working to set up a network for local
governments across the state.  I am searching for
other communities for this group to interact with.
Does anyone know of other networks that are
designed for local government communications
and applications?  Does anyone know of any
listservs that deal with local government
issues?

Any help any of you can provide is appreciated.
Feel free to forward this onto a more appropriate
list.
thanks!

Marcia Harrington
Public Service Programs
Va Tech
703-231-6913
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Date: 18 Aug 92 13:11:41 GMT
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From: herrsj@sncac.snc.edu (Steven J. Herro)
Subject: Re:  Tapeloaded databases: separate vs. combined?

I would recommend that you index them separately.  I have demo'd
 EAI
at our college undergraduate library, and I am not sure what your patron
base is like, but I think that one of the things that we have to guard
against in IAC products is the thought that they are one stop shopping.
Merging the three might promote this thinking.

Furthermore, by merging the three databases, you would have people
 spending
an awful lot of time at the terminals weeding out citations.

Steve Herro
St. Norbert College Todd Wehr Library
herrsj@sncac.snc.edu
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From:         "Katherine M. Shelfer" <KSHELFE@FSUAVM>
Subject:      Re: Tapeloaded databases: separate vs. combined?

FSU (a NOTIS site) has Business and Academic loaded separately.  Some of
the time this is a time waster, since computer/MIS related materials
cross both databases and there is no provision for removing duplicates.

If I had a choice, I'd merge.  We have split by date range, and this
is a great help.  Most of our students want the latest citations, so
they use the 88-present split.   This group of files has really reduced
the load on our CD-ROM stations, but radically increased the ILL load.

Katherine Shelfer
Business Reference librarian
Strozier Library R-113
Florida State University
Tallahassee, FL 32306-2047
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:16:42 CDT
From:         BM.NLL@RLG.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Casual instructions

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
At the risk of putting my head in a made-to-order noose, I want
to disagree with Janet Swan Hill and Kendell Simons.  I believe
that "casual instruction" can be both appropriate and effective,
particularly in a computerized environment.

All contemporary hardware and software is subject to constant
mutation.  Simons' description of keyboard variation is an
example of such mutation.  Ultimately, attempts to make
instructions truly explicit are bound to fail.  Even if they are
correct for one environment at one time, they will inevitably
become obsolete as hard and software evolves.  In any case,
people move around even if your equipment and software are
allowed to stagnate.  Perhaps someday this process of mutation
will slow down or cease, but there no sign that it will do so
soon.

Training that encourages people to experiment and be ready to
change their habits quickly will serve people better in the long
run than trying to supply them with directions for each step of
each potential operation they may need to use.  "Casual
instruction" (notice that the term itself is perjorative) is
one way to encourage such openness.  I know that some people are
uncomfortable with such training; they are precisely the people
who need to be encouraged to experiment.   It's just a fact about
computer systems that people who thrive on partial information
and constant feedback have a major advantage over those who
prefer to know exactly what they're doing before they begin.

I admit, of couse, that like any other teaching style "casual
instruction" can be done well or done poorly.

I would also like to point out that teaching and learning
mathematics and similar disciplines is a poor analogy for
teaching and learning computer systems.  Learning calculus is the
same as learning the steps of reasoning behind the solution of
problems in calculus and does not vary from location to location
or from year to year.  Learning to use computer systems, however,
is not the same as learning sequences of keystrokes.  The result
is what counts, not the steps taken to get the result and the
steps will vary considerably from site to site and from year to
year.  The writer of the calculus textbook JSH refers to appears
to have been thoughtless or arrogant because he made unwarranted
assumptions about his readers, not because it is always better to
have instructions spell everything out.

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Stuart Spore                    |  Phone:  212-998-6333
Head of Cataloging & Automated  |  Fax:    212-998-6587
Systems                         |  spore@acf5.nyu.edu
New York University Law Library |
40 Washington Sq. So.           |
New York, N.Y. 10012            |
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:52:48 CDT
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Subject:      NOTICE TO PACS-L READERS

The PACS-L server will be unavailable on Friday, August 21, from 8:00 a.m.
to 4:00 p.m. CDT.  No messages will be posted on Friday.  Postings will
resume on Monday, August 24.  Try not to miss us too much and we'll see
you all again on Monday.

 --Dana Rooks
   Moderator, PACS-L
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:45:11 CDT
From:         JMONTAG@WITTENBG.BITNET
Subject:      Reference Position Announcment

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Position Announcement:
Wittenberg University Library:  Head of Reference Services.

Wittenberg University seeks an innovative leader to head the
reference services department in providing bibliographic
instruction, reference assistance, department liaison and
collection development, and to supervise interlibrary loan and
branch science library.  Staff of 3.5 FTE plus student assistants;
serve as part of library management team; assist in automation
planning and implementation; continue improvements in online
searching and CD-ROM.

Qualifications:  MLS from ALA accredited program; at least two
years' supervisory experience in public services; knowledge or
strong interest in reference service and collection development;
proven planning, supervisory, training, and communication skills;
familiarity with online searching, library automation, and
instruction in library use.  Science background a plus.  We
strongly encourage applications from women and minorities

If interested in this position, please send a letter of application
with vita as soon as possible to:  Mr. Edward Dungan, Director of
Human Resources, Wittenberg University, P.O. Box 720, Springfield,
Ohio 45501.  Consideration begins immediately, but the applications
will be accepted until the position is filled.  AA/EOE.
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Keywords: gopher virtual library
Organization: University of North Texas
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:10:22 CDT
From:         Billy Barron - VAX/UNIX Systems Manager <billy@sol.acs.unt.edu>
Subject:      Subject Headings for Gopher Virtual Library

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Hi,

Joel Cooper of Notre Dame and I are leading an effort to turn GopherSpace
into a virtual library system.  By this, we want to set up a Gopher heirarchy
organized by subject instead of by site or chaos.  For example, you might
find top levels like "Humanties" and "Science".  Then under Science, you would
find "Biology", "Chemistry", etc.  The whole thing would be organized in this
matter.

The project will involve some librarians, but I'm wanting a wider view than
the people we pick out.  Joel and I were thinking of using the Library of
Congress Subject Headings for starters to organization.  Then we will fix
what problems we see in the LoC Subject Headings.  If you are familiar with
the LoC Headings (especially if you are a librarian), then I'd like to
hear your opinions on the following:

1.  Are we making a bad mistake in using the Library of Congress Subject
    Headings?

2.  If you answered YES to #1, what is a better organizational scheme?
    We think starting from scratch would be a bad mistake.

3.  What could be fixed with the LoC Subject Headings?  Major or minor
    tweaks wanted.

Also, does anybody have the LoC Subject Headings online that I could get
a copy of?  Likewise, I'm interested in any other organizational schemes
that people have online.

Thanks,
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:17:50 CDT
From:         Mike McDermott <michaelm@portland.caps.maine.edu>
Subject:      Tapeloaded databases: separate vs. combined?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Our University Library System is in the process of tape
loading three Information Access databases:  Expanded academic
index, Business index and Health index.  The Powers That Be have
asked for opinions as to whether the three files should be
indexed separately, so that they would be searched one-at-a-time,
or indexed as one file, searchable all at once.  There seem to
be points for and against both options.  We would be very
interested in hearing opinions from anyone else who has used any
of these databases, separately or in some combination, or has
been faced with a decision similar to this.  Thanks!

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| Mike McDermott                        USM Library Reference  |
| michaelm@portland.caps.maine.edu      37 College Avenue      |
| (2O7) 78O-5344                        Gorham, ME O453O       |
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:13:01 CDT
From:         Sarah Bryan <SARAHB@vm1.uca.edu>
Subject:      Fully automated libraries to visit

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

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We have CLSI public catalog, circulation and technical services mode in our
library and are seeking libraries to visit which are fully automated including
acquisitions, order records, serial check in, circulation technical services
mode and public catalog.  We are at a point where we critically need to upgrade
and want to make a thorough investigation before we decide what step to take
next.  We would like to know of any libraries in Missouri, Tennessee,
Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma or Arkansas that are fully automated with CLSI, DRA,
DYNIX or VTLS and if they would welcome a visit from our Technical Services
Librarians.  (We do not have a Systems Librarian in our near future.)  We are
looking for libraries of 500,000 volumes with some scholarly research services
and the libraries may be public libraries.  We would like to get an idea of
department structures and workflows in relation to the automated system.  We
are having trouble locating such libraries in this region so if any library
has a system other than those mentioned but is fully automated, please do
respond.  Thank you very much!
Sarah Bryan
Head Cataloging Librarian
Torreyson Library
University of Central Arkansas
Conway, AR  72035
(501) 450-5221 or 450-5248
sarahb@vm1.uca.edu on the Internet
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:12:39 CDT
From:         "Peter M. Weiss" <PMW1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Online Database descriptions

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In article <199208142047.AA24935@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Diann=Jabusch%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@bigbird.will.uiuc.edu says:

> (...)                         The reporters at our station are interested
>specifically in databases that will support reporting news in the following
>areas:  government/politics, education, agriculture, business, healthcare.

An excellent source of Media-related BBSes is stored on COMSERVE.
Address e-mail to comserve@rpiecs (Bitnet) or @vm.ecs.rpi.edu (Internet)
with Body of Text (no signatures):

   GET MEDIA BBSLIST

Expect 3136 lines returned.

/Pete
--
Peter M. Weiss                     | not affiliated with psuvm.psu.edu|psuvm
31 Shields Bldg -- Penn State Univ.| "Connectivity is more than a Connection"
University Park, PA USA 16802-1202 | E. Michael Staman, _The Circuit_, Apr 92
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:34:30 CDT
From:         Judy Hallman <HALLMAN@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      IAT publications in UNC-CH INFO

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IAT Events and Publications Available in INFO

The Institute for Academic Technology (IAT), operated by the
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill through a grant from
the IBM Corporation, offers technology briefings and workshops in
Research Triangle Park, NC, including the following:

  --Instructional Technology in Higher Education: A General Briefing
  --Computers in the Mathematics Classroom
  --Computers in the Humanities Classroom
  --Academic Computer Networking
  --Hypermedia Across the Curriculum

The IAT events calendar is now available in INFO, the UNC-Chapel Hill
electronic information system; from INFO's main menu, select item
#5 (Events) and then item #13 (Institute for Academic
Technology). Descriptions of the events and workshops follow the
calendar.

_IAT briefings_, a quarterly publication of the Institute, is also
available in INFO. From the main menu, select item #7 (Publications),
then #1 (Newsletters and journals), and then #6 (IAT briefings).
The Spring 1992, Winter 1992, Fall 1991, and Spring 1991 issues
are available.

IAT has prepared a series of technical publications which are also
available in INFO.  To see these, from INFO's main menu select
#7 (Publications), then #2 (University catalogs, guides, and
books), and then #8, which will provide the following menu:

   1. Importing AVC Images into Toolbook
   2. Understanding the Internet
   3. Color LCD Projection Devices
   4. Delivering Multimedia in the Classroom
   5. Introduction to Multimedia
   6. Multimedia Standards
   7. Multimedia Computing: Getting Started
   8. Selecting Color Scanners
   9. Screen Design Basics
  10. Teaching and Learning with Computers
  11. Developing Applications for Windows
  12. Windows Development Tools

  Other IAT publications:
  13. IAT briefings
  14. IAT Workshops and other regular events

Note that the IAT newsletters (IAT briefings) and IAT events
calendar are also accessible from this menu.

People off-campus can connect to UNC-CH INFO via the Internet.
Emulate a VT100 and connect to info.oit.unc.edu. At the prompt for
username, type INFO.

  Judy Hallman (Judy_Hallman@unc.edu)
  Office of Information Technology, UNC-Chapel Hill
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:09:53 CDT
From:         kendall <KSIMMONS@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Casual Instructions

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I must agree completely with Janet Swan Hill's remarks about casual instruct-
ions.  There are so many assumptions made (consciously or not) by any user of
a system that no one can anticipate them all.  Look at keyboards, even.  We
have 4 different kinds of keyboards in my department (and I have yet another
at home).  There is one key that functions the same on 3 but not on the fourth,
and the 4th keyboard is the type used for the public catalog.  Mine at home
functions like the 3.  So, people trying to use the public catalog are dealing
with atypical (for us) keyboards.  It's not the those keyboards are bad.  It's
just that they don't work like the other keyboards, so our assumptions about
keyboards kick in and we keep hitting what turns out to be the "wrong" key.
Who knows how many of the public do the same thing?  I have one program at home
that, if I use the TAB key, it works like a SEND key.  Guess how many abbrevi-
ated messages I have sent!!

The circulation supervisors of all our libraries are working on a union manual
so as to standardize procedures as much as they can be.  I found that I had to
keep reminding people to "assume that we're all in a van, it goes over a cliff,
we're all dead, so this manual has got to be written as if there were no one on
the face of the earth who knew anything about the system."  They quickly change
d that to "we won the lottery and are on a remote tropical island with a lot of
very handsome young natives" but you get the point (isn't it "intuitively
obvious"?)...nothing can be assumed about what people assume, except that they
will all assume something different!!

Kendall Simmons
University of Kansas
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:11:25 CDT
From:         MCNULTY@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject:      SLA Joblist

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Does anyone have any info on the SLA joblist. I know that it is available
through Dialog (Dialmail), but I've been informed that it's also on the
Internet. I would greatly appreciate any information.
-Tom McNulty
New York University
MCNULTY@NYUACF
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:18:56 CDT
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Subject:      Library Automation--Comments & Questions

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1) Printers for Low Vision
2) DeskJet Printers

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From:         SMUIR@UA1VM
Subject:      Printers for Low vision

Could anyone suggest some reliable printers that can print large characters?
I am looking for this printer to work with the microcmputer equipment we
set up for use by vision impaired patrons.  The printer will be used
to printout information from our OPAC, wordprocessing software, etc.

Thank you.

*  SCOTT P. MUIR               *
*  THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA   *
*  SMUIR@UA1VM                 *
*  SMUIR@UA1VM.UA.EDU          *
*  (205) 348-2299              *
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From:    "B Bayer" <BBAYER@OHSTMVSA.BITNET>
Subject: DeskJet Printers

We are investigating the use of printers in a public access
area in a new library.  Has anyone any experience with an
installation of HP DeskJet 500 Printers?  What was the downtime over
an extended period of time?  Any particular problems other than the
cost of cartridges?

Please respond directly to Bayer.3@osu.edu.  Thank you.

                             Bernard Bayer
                             Ohio State University
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From:         KINGH@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Boolean & Probabilistic

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Who determines relevance?  The definition of relevance in ranked retrieval
systems is the number of times the keyword occurs, right?  Is there a newer,
more sophisticated, more valid and reliable method of assessing relevance?
Also, has anyone validated methods that are supposed to predict relevance? And,
are these methods reliable, i.e., over time, over users, they consistently
and correctly predict which records will be relevant for users?

Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library Syracuse
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vax.cs.hscsyr.edu
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