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From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:07:11 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <Brv2Mn.40s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul23.121221.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>
>>tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
>> 
>>>Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
>>>on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
>>>to play anymore.
>> 
>>Yeah, and Jordan is out with a broken jaw, and the Dream Team lost a game.
>> 
>[deleted stuff]
>> 
>>--Eric
>
>read it in "clari.sports.basketball"!!!  UPI posted it today.  i read it,
>couldn't beleive it, but that is a pretty stable source.
>
>jay

I was watching SportCenter and they said that Rodman was throwing around the
idea of retiring. It never said he was retiring!

					Dennis Joyce
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From: xxapollo@utagraph.uta.edu (Mr. Apollo Silva)
Subject: Re: Dream Team VS Brazil
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:50:55 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
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sophatsa@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Peraphon) writes:
: Does anyone know if there is any possibility that the Dream Team will play
: the Brazilian?  Several friends of mine have been talking about this matchup
: for some time.  Should this happen, we would definitely cancel all activities
: to watch the Dream Team scored 200 points.  I'd consider the Dream Team lost
: if they did not get 200+ points, IMO.

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re:  Laimbeer vs Parish
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:30:44 GMT

gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory) writes:
>The problem here is my idea of average is much different than the rabid Boston
>fans.  Parrish is a very good player, but he is no where near as good as the
>best centers in the league.  For example, there is a BIG difference between
>16.5 PPG and 23.5 PPG (you know, like the difference between Bird and the
>X-Man).  There is a big difference between 10 R/G and 14 R/G.  There is a
>big diffence between being the third best offensive player (Bird, McPale) and
>being the first.  There is a big difference between playing on the best 
>passing teams of your era and playing with stiff guards that can't shoot.

Well, I'm not a rabid Boston fan (just a rabid Bulls fan), but that has
never stopped me before.  All of these things make *some* sense, but they 
don't really relate to your next statement.  The only way you would be making
sense is if you mean that Bird is first echelon and McPale is average (if
so, then your usenet access should be revoked).

>Old Robert is in the second rank of Centers, but hardly the first.  That makes
>him average.

To be average, you need to be *somewhere* around the middle of the bunch.
I'm interested in how many centers you believe to have been better than 
Parish.

I will suggest the following (IMHO):
    Wilt
    Kareem 
    David Robinson
    Patrick
    Hakeem
    Bill Russell
    Moses Malone (maybe)

I might have forgotten a couple (as I am sure I will soon hear), but don't
think that I missed *too* many.  Therefore, I will project that he is (once 
again IMHO) one of the top 10 centers that have ever played NBA ball.  I 
hardly call that average.  And unless you can list a *MUCH* larger list of 
centers that were better, then you must be saying the same.  Being third
best (out of twenty) doesn't make you average.

BTW, I think Laim-beer was pretty close to average ;^0

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)                    Bulls in 93!!!!!!!!
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
	"No comment." - Michael Jordan's response to the press after being 
                    selected to the All-Interview team.
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From: s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul Jackson)
Subject: Re: Help ME Please!!!!!!!!!!!\
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:40:38 GMT

Hi Paul again,
             The reason I asked the question about MJ and baseball was because
I am *certain* that I saw a shot of him on one of our local sports shows. They
have a segment of what happened in the week in the US and the first shot was
of a black guy who looked a hell of alot like MJ and was wearing an arm band
exactly where MJ does, adjusting his baseball mitt, in what looked to be left
field(you could see the foul line on his left side). I admit I only got a
fleeting look and MJ is my idol. I had read some net postings about MJ wanting
to play, and hitting a pitcher(who people indicated was pretty good?) in to
the upper deck.
Anyway thanks for your replies.

Paul
Australia
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From: s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul Jackson)
Subject: Re: Dr. J dunk
Keywords: Dr. J
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:45:25 GMT


Just on the Dunk thread,

I was watchng the US v Angola game on Australian TV and the commentator was
saying that Drexler once dunked an 11 foot 2 inch high hoop. In a dunk comp.
Is this true??
If so, why did they do this , isn't the ring height 10 foot??

Paul
Australia
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: What's wrong with the Dream Team's 3-pt shooting?
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:34:33 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

The title says it all.  I was expecting some fancy 3-pt shooting display 
from the Dream Team.  Any comment?


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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: DT vs. Kukoc
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:03:56 GMT

Has anyone other than me been feeling the immense egos of the Dream Team
and every stupid announcer that's been following them?  It's been totally
ridiculous.  Every person who's said anything about DT as an analyst
obviously feels that he is on the team.  And as for the team itself, I
think only Magic and Stockton aren't looking severely pompous.  Jordan,
Pippen, Barkley and Malone all have a lot of work to do as far as humility
goes.

Personally, I think from what I saw that Toni Kukoc is pretty good.  If
he switched teams with Pippen, I'm sure he would have looked terrific, and
Pippen looked horrible as well.  Plus, he probably wouldn't have had two
shots blocked by an NBA Celtics reject.  What are they sore about anyway?
Don't they like championship rings?  If I were them, I would welcome Kukoc
with open arms to Da Bulls instead of letting pride get in the way.  If
they are mad at anyone, it should be Jerry Krause...after all Kukoc isn't
the one who was doing anything.
From: gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re:  Laimbeer vs Parish
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:01:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering

In article <1992Jul22.072009.11639@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul18.222159.27690@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, 
>u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>
>
>>In article <1992Jul18.191844.5187@ninja.zso.dec.com> gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory) writes:
>>
>>>We have been seeing a lot of posts about Laimbeer and his effectiveness in
>>>the 80's.  To me the most average center in the 80's was Robert Parrish.
>>>His rebounding was average, his scoring was average, his defense was average
>>>(OK or a little better), his assists were below average.  Laimbeer on the 
>>>other hand was a good rebounder, average scorer, average defender.
>>>
>>>In summary Laimbeer was a better player for most of his career.

>>From career standpoint, Bill Laimbeer was a very good center and Robert Parish
>>was among the top five consistently.  Who are the best centers of the 80's?
>>Kareem, Parish, Malone and Olajuwon (Ewing and Robinson didn't come on until
>>the end).  Take those #s to be the average center, Parish got around 17 ppg,
>>10 rpg, blocked a decent number of shots...but probably most impressive is
>>how long he did it for and his FG%, career average of 55% which is very high.
>>
>>Even the past few years, Parish has been an all-star, with nearly 60% shooting
>>and rebounding better than ever before (average over last four seasons comes
>>out to about 11 rpg).  In his prime, scoring wise, he got 20 ppg for a few
>>straight seasons.  In fact, it's tough not to believe he couldn't do it now
>>if Boston went to him more often.

>  All stats are per game.
>
>          Games  Min  FGA  FG%  FTA  FT%  OR  TR  Ast  Stl  Blk  Pts
>Parish    1,181 30.9 12.5 .543  4.2 .720 3.2 10.1 1.6  0.8  1.7  16.5
>Laimbeer    897 32.9 10.9 .499  3.0 .833 2.9 10.6 2.1  0.7  1.0  13.6
>
>     Laimbeer played in 4 All-star games, and deservedly.  Parish 
>played in 9, even more deservedly.  Add in one 2d team All-NBA
>and one 3d team all-NBA selection for Parish too.
>     Anyone who thinks Parish was "the most average center of the 80's"
>either wasn't playing attention, or didn't start following basketball
>until 1988.

The problem here is my idea of average is much different than the rabid Boston
fans.  Parrish is a very good player, but he is no where near as good as the
best centers in the league.  For example, there is a BIG difference between
16.5 PPG and 23.5 PPG (you know, like the difference between Bird and the
X-Man).  There is a big difference between 10 R/G and 14 R/G.  There is a
big diffence between being the third best offensive player (Bird, McPale) and
being the first.  There is a big difference between playing on the best 
passing teams of your era and playing with stiff guards that can't shoot.

Old Robert is in the second rank of Centers, but hardly the first.  That makes
him average.

Peter
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


Just a related question: how much has NBC spent in total for the right of
televising Olympic this time?  I remember I saw some figure in the order of
magnitude of a billion $$$, is that right?

harry
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg Domaratzki)
Subject: Reggie Lewis
Keywords: awesome
Reply-To: stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg Domaratzki)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:51:51 GMT

As a die-hard Celtic fan, I think it's about time that I stepped in and
defended Reggie.  Besides having one of the best first names in the league,
Reggie has proven himself to be a star player.  The original discussion
(at least what I could piece together, I missed a week of posts) was who
would be on Dream Team 2.  There's going to be four more guards, and Reggie
will undoubtably be on the team.  The point guard position will probably be
filled with two out of Tim Hardaway, Mark Price and _choke_gasp_ Isiah
Thomas (my vote definetly goes against Isiah).  At the shooting guard, we
have the following choices (IMHO) : Reggie Lewis, Joe Dumars, Mitch Ritchmond,
and Jeff Hornacek.  All these guys are quality players.  But only two of them
have proven that they can really step it up whne it's needed.  Those two
are Reggie Lewis and Joe Dumars.  I watched the Pistons beat the Celtics and
the Lakers in the late 80s and Dumars was unstoppable.  I don't think he
missed an open jumper in the playoffs (he is definetly a better shootng guard than Paxson, right Andrew??).  Reggie Lweis was just incredible in the 
playoffs this year and was the main reason for the celts winning 15 of 
there last 16 games in the regular season.  When the Celtics made Reggie
thier goto guy, he responded.  Horny and Mitch are awesome players as well,
but haven't proven themselves capable of playing at the next level.

Besides, Reggie Lewis was on the All-Star team.  If there were two Dream 
Teams, why not just take the remaining players from the All-Star game that
didn't make the first Dream Team, and make them the second team.

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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Enough
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:19:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Jul23.151918.7119
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul22.204258.49724@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Alright Ed, I think we have now reached our 1 month limit...  It is time this
>thread stopped, once again.  I am bored with having to re-read old posts
>and stuff.  Oh, don't worry, I am sure you will respond with comments about
>me "wimping" out and all, and everything else, but I've gotten used to your
>stupidity over the monthes.   ...[...]...
>
>David T. Meeks

   my goodness, Ed - isnt Dave being generous?  :-)

In article <5044@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>ed,
>All it does is muddle
>it (which perhaps is what you were intending, since a lot of people
>had joined the fray to poke holes in what you were saying). 

and Ed replied:
>I don't know. "A lot of people" only include Celtics fans who disagree
>that the Celtics getting preferential treatment, so what's new?
>
>Yet they also admit[argue] that the favorables calls at BG happen everywhere
>without showing any proof of "happen everywhere".

Ed has also said in the past:
>Yep, I'll take that. Yet none of you can prove that happen everywhere. You 
>still can't supply the same list for EVERY TEAM.
>So I'll take the home job for the moment, "happen everywhere" is yet to be
>proved.

   ok, so what the celtic fans should do is find non-Celtic fans who can
   list incidents of this happening everywhere.  since i am a celtic fan
   it cant be me.  cant be dave.  it should be someone with an ability to
   go back over many years and extract minute datums.  someone who is good
   at digging up obscurities.

and Ed also has said:
>No, Lakers fans are all secured. We don't care about admitting the
>favorables from the refs. 

   so if ed doesnt care about it, why dont we have Ed put up some examples
   of Laker and Bull incidents.  he's the perfect man for the job.  i bet
   he can list more than 7 without even breaking into a sweat.  this is
   a job for the net.DA.

- nate, a craig ehlo fan
From: eeh@trac3000.ueci.com (Eric Holte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Fouls
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:58:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UE&C - Catalytic in Philadelphia, PA

This thread is solely for those posess the current official rules of the NBA.

Question:	Are there explicit provisions for contact in a NBA game?

This question stems from an debate with a coworker in which I believe that
every contact between players should be a foul since contact is not expressly
allowed. I hypothesized that today's game has degraded to a level of tolerable
contact, so much so that viewers are under the impression that things such as
gaining position under the basket, herding a player out of bounds and hand 
checking a player are permitted.

Direct response to this thread is solicited. Thank you.
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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:47:55 GMT

In article <16832EF17.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>Humor Impaired am I?
>Let's test this guy's tolerance for humor...
> 
>>>Yeah just go and rationalize it becuz Charles is so f*ucking cute, right?
>>>He's not like one of those scummy Knicks thugs like Ewing, right?
				     ^^^^^^            ^^^^^
	Nice textual substitutions, almost got me to look too.

>During this years' riot season in Chicago, the safest place to be was
>in Detroit. :)

Yea, but only if you were playing ball in a park on the wrong side of town.

And...  Wasn't it Ed Lor who shoved Pippen into Rodman.  (Sorry Ed,
but every time that P team is discussed your name just comes to mind).
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: business of tv (was Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers)
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:22:09 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <14nhseINNo4h@network.ucsd.edu> bsala@weber.ucsd.edu (Brian Sala) writes:
>in Congress plus the president want to receive those rights, subject
>to those license-holders not excessively embarrassing those
>politicians by showing hard core pornography during prime time and
>subject to them providing free coverage of political theater around
>election time.
>

In that case,GE(NBC) will cover its losses from the TripleCast PPV
by getting couple more Pentagon contracts in a billion dollar range
right after the Games in Barcelona are over.

I haven't seen any hard or soft porn during prime on convenetional tv.
At least nothing compared to what you can view in Europe or late-nite
on some Canadian stations.

Better stop your VCR and watch some real 'porno' on TV, Brian. Nothing
like a real thing.

-Mark
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: University of Michigan
	<16832916A.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
	<1992Jul28.171411.23075@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:52:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.171411.23075@ichips.intel.com> harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

   In article <16832916A.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
   > 
   >>Really, it's too bad it happens in basketball at all.  In no other sport
   >>that I'm aware of do people get so violent about playing.  I've never had
   > 
   >Seen a baseball game lately? Ever see a hockey game?

   NHL doesn't count - fighting's in the RULES, it's part of the game.  How

So you didn't really mean what you said.  You meant what you meant.  Ok.
Only count sports that Harry has seen, and rule out those that he has seen
that legislate fighting.  Ok.  Now that makes sence.  We thought you meant
"other sports that you were aware of", which is what you wrote. 

   >>themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
   >>that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
   >>importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  The same
   > 
   >Yeah just go and rationalize it becuz Charles is so f*ucking cute, right?
   >He's not like one of those scummy Pistons thugs like Isiah, right?

   Pistons!?!?  Who mentioned the Pistons?  Why are Detriot fans so damn
   sensitive - *The world does not revolve around you*.

The person you initially responded to mentioned the Pistons.  You even quoted
that part, as did the post you are immediately responding to here.  Now its
gone because you've decided to delete it.  Go back and check.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't after you.  

Bill
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Team Rosters for Rocky Mountain Review 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:23:59 GMT

>  14  Keith Jennings      G    5-11
                                ^^^^

	Wow.  Talk about your height enhancements.  Looks like Mister's
	been eating some hormone growth pills because in college, he was
	no taller than 5-7, and that even was an exaggeration.

	Jazzy J

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From: edmunds@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: WORTHY/STARKS Trade?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:18:47 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS


 mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
 >WFAN in new york, reported that the Knicks and the Lakers are working
 >on a James Worthy/John Starks trade..  any thoughts?
 >sounds like an interesting trade, one that could make the knicks the
 >best team in the NBA next year.

 (Jerray Wei) writes:
 > Now why in the world would the Lakers want to do this?  The only thing I
 > can think of is that James Worthy got an amputation or something.

 Here's one guess...his contract.  My recollection is that his last contract
paid him relatively small amounts (~$1.5M) for the first years, but that
the last year was worth something like $7M.  I think that year's coming up
pretty soon.  That'd have to do a job on your salary cap.  Worthy'll be
in his early-to-mid 30's, riding the bench, pulling down $7M.  I don't
think he'd have a lot of trade value at that point.

-- Dave Edmunds
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From: xxapollo@utagraph.uta.edu (Mr. Apollo Silva)
Subject: Starting times for Team USA basketball games?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:35:52 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
X-Bytes: 516

Does anyone know the approximate starting times of Team USA basketball games?
Please post them if you know (East coast time will suffice).	

Sun Jul 26: USA vs Angola
Mon Jul 27: USA vs Croatia
Wed Jul 29: USA vs Germany
Fri Jul 31: USA vs Brazil
Sun Aug  2: USA vs Spain
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