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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: New Tarot Deck
Organization: Hug a Bunny Today
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:09:46 GMT

I'm curious -- how do any of you tune a new tarot deck? I just got one that
I love, and I was just wondering. I know some folks wrap them in silk, and
maybe keep certain stones with them. Maybe some of you have rituals, etc.
With my first deck, I didn't do much, but I did keep them under the head of
my bed, wrapped them in a cloth, and, when I first got them, carried them 
around a lot, slept with them under my pillow, and (a little embarrassing)
wrapped them in a pair of my underwear for a week or two. Well, they always
worked *very* well for me, but they've been hiding for a few months. Do you
believe that your cards will refuse to be found sometimes? Anyway, I'd like to
get these off to a good start, so I'll be interested in hearing some new ideas.

Rejoice in the new blossoming! (it's very new here in New England!)

Marty


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"Walking to school this morning I worshipped all things. You might say that's 
warped! Did I just forget about pollution, prejudice, and how there's people in
a war?????????? Excuse me but I know that! Can I help it if right this second
I get something incredible?"     -- Maybonne
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: I'm looking for a book . . .  
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:11:08 GMT

A different book, but I've been looking for it for twenty damned years
and would gratefully borrow money to buy it.  It is responsible in large
part for my love of reading and voracious appetite for books.  It is a
simple collection of fairy tales, not at all gruesome like the Grimm's
fairy tales.  It is one of a set of (I think) three books called "Under
the Magic Umbrella", "Under the Green Umbrella", and "Under the Stars
and Stripes."  The one I'm looking for -- and have been since I was
about eight -- is "Under the Green Umbrella," and if anyone has ANY
information at all, I am willing to reimburse you.  There are many
stories in it; if I recall correctly two are called "Elsie Piddock
Skips in her Sleep," and "The Bean Boy."  It never occurred to me to
post this question, and there are probably newsgroups that are better
suited to it.  HOWever, if anybody has any information, please please
please please post it.  It may be hard to find; it was old even when I
was young.

On a related note, does anyone know how you go about borrowing books
from the Library of Congress?  I've heard that they have all sorts of
books from stuff like this to more hairy political junk.  Is there a
sort of central library in the country where I might find something like
this, and is it the L of C?

Many very happy thanks for ANY information,
Blessings,
Janis


P.S.:  I'm not kidding about the reimbursement, although I am in
somewhat straitened circumstances.  This book means a very great deal to
me, and I *will* reimburse anyone who can get me in touch with a copy.
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Seeking Thomas Morton and/or Merry Mount references
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:30:29 GMT

In article <DAN.92Apr9000046@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
>Nathaniel Hawthorne's "The Maypole of Merry Mount" tells the story of
>an early Massachusetts colony that celebrated Pagan revels, much to
>the annoyance of the local Puritans who dealt with them harshly.
>
[much neat junk deleted]

Not much to say on this, but the name Merrymount also pops up
in PA as well.  I don't know much about it; it's not exactly
greater Philadelphia area.

Blessings,
Janis 


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Seeking Thomas Morton and/or Merry Mount references
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:22:03 GMT


Maypoles were a common feature in Christian England until the time of Cromwell.
The Puritans banned them, as well as theatre, etc., because they were not
sober and godly.  They are indeed pagan in origin, but there use does not
mean that the dancers were pagans.  Just fun folks! :)

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Wicca is a Green and Fuzzy Religion
               --Pug and Bran
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: New Age/Christian Survey -Help! 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:09:58 GMT


I would suggest not responding to this person on three grounds:

1. paganism is not "New Age" or Christian

2. this may be an attempt to get @dresses for hassling folks (I suspect that the
author may be a born-again Christian; see my third reason)

3. the questions are very Christo-centric, and use assumptions which many
mainline Christians would find questionable

IMO, of course

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Wicca is a Green and Fuzzy Religion
               --Pug and Bran
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice (was: Re: Raising
From: sparrish@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:07:49 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

What in the world does the question re. our religious practices previous to
Satanism mean?  I suppose the answer to the question could be "yes," since I
have practiced religions other that Satanism, and I have not yet practiced
Satanism; but it seems the answer is "no," since "before" is a relative term
and has no meaning if the binding time is not in the forseeable future.  
I do not now, and have never, and do not plan on ever identifying myself as,   
or considering myself, a Satanist.
Just because we are pagan does not mean we worship Satan.  Indeed, the
implication may be taken as an insult by a lot of people, and will certainly
not be well-received.
Also, how do you distinguish "religion" from "way of life"?  


__________________________________________________________________________
Cor imbutum nectare volat ad superna. 			
I do not think it means what you think it means.
---------------------------  | In a waxless manner, and hoping for replies
sparrish@eagle.wesleyan.edu  |		      *Sparrow*
---------------------------  |      Heretic, escripvaine, shade
From: nc313127@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: When the music is over
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:03:38 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I have heard so much about pagan music, but I have never really heard any.  It
also seems to be hard to find around here.  Does anyone have any suggestions
of where to look, and for that matter, who to look for?

Azure
"lend me your ears and i'll sing you a song"
From: ai210@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Steier)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: celtic somthingorother
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:07:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.030732.14928
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


	When the geese saved the Roman forum, they saved it from 
Celtic invaders, who at the time ('bout 500 BC) were trying out the
conquer and settle bit wherever they could. The Roman Senate bought off
the Celts with gold from the Treasury, then went on to conquer all of the
Celtic lands except for Ireland and parts of Scotland and Wales.

be well
josh
From: edberg@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Sacrifice
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:15:11 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

A sacrifice should not be done to get brownie points. 
It should be done in order to touch another soul and add love to the universe.

I am disturbed by the emphasis many Christians (and  Bhuddists, New Agers, etc)
place on the next life, doing good deeds or avoiding hurting people in order
to have a good balance sheet at the end of this one. 
I know that idea is not really a Christian one, though it seems to be held
by most Christians. 
I firmly believe that acts of goodness are their own reward, and acts of
evil make life miserable. 
We share love because it makes us feel good, because we can feel it multiply
among people. We avoid hurting others because it makes us hurt, and we can
feel the bitterness growing, too.

No need for an external judge. I am my own harshest critic.
Lisa
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Worship of the Greek gods
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:04:15 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <loren.34@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu> loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller) writes:
>In article <29E0EF42.4253@noiro.acs.uci.edu> cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>In article <loren.29@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu> loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (
>Loren Miller) writes:>>In article <1992Apr1.184049.28268@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> 
>mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:>>>Roman history from the 
>assassination of the Gracchi down to>>>Octavian's consolidation of power was 
>a steadily intensifying>>>and increasingly brutal civil war with short 
>pauses to deal>>>with rebellious allies, slaves or provinces.
>>>
>>>Kind of like La Cosa Nostra, eh?
>>
>>No, it's not "kind of like La Cosa Nostra" any more than the Nazis were.
>>The Mafia started out as an IRA-type of pact between Sicilian farmers
>>who were getting screwed by the landlord types.
>
>Whether or not the Mafia started out for worthy purposes, it soon turned 
>into a rule by local bullies, with a political structure built along roman 
>lines. This is actually pretty easy to demonstrate, but I don't have the 
>books at work to do so.
>
>>Bad dagos aren't Mafia any more than bad things done by ancient Irishmen
>>make them ancient IRA.  Sorry to snap so hard, but I am Italian-American
>
>I didn't accuse you or anyone else of being a Mafioso, Roman, or a 
>criminal who carries a stilleto. Though I can understand that you were 
>hassled for being a "vinny" (in the current philadelphia parlance) I also 
>think that you're overly sensitive.

I certainly am.  I haven't told you nor will I what I went through.

Blessings,
Janis C.
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Defects (was worship of greek gods)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:01:28 GMT
 <29E9D2BF.21742@noiro.acs.uci.edu> <4462@radian.UUCP> <20219@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Maine System

what i get if i leave my glasses off is a headache.

                                       -ailsa
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Jesus was a pagan and lonely wiccians
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:22:09 GMT

egnr76@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.052434.21230@nic.umass.edu> S7041551@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (Lew Stead) writes:
>>Jesus was a Jew.  He, being part of the Jewish Tradition, was a monotheist.
>>He was not a Pagan in any way shape or form.  While some of his social ideas
>>certainly are in line with many of the social ideas of todays Pagans (and
>>many are NOT), the same could be said of any religion or philosophy.
>>
>>If you look at his religious teachings, there's no mention of any sort of
>>polytheism, feminine divinity, or anything else Pagan.  It's just a few bits
>>of "be nice to one another" stuff that resonates with us -- and we don't have

>	1) You may find mention of feminine divinity, or even polytheism, in the
>gnostic gospels, which also claim to record Jesus' life. It's a long time since 
>I read them: try Pagel's translation/commentary.

>	2) It seems that while being Jewish he certianly did not fit confortably
>into their tradition, being more person centred than cult centred. And most 
>Christians fail to note that the although Jesus talked a lot about love, he
>seemed to reserve most of hist for children and social outcasts
>(reference: What Canst thou say: towards a quaker theology: Janet Scott)

>	3) The idea of Christianity as a "be nice to one another" type of
>religion doesn't square with the parable of the talents
>" From him that has not shall be taken away even that which he has"

>A most peculiar and harsh saying. Maybe Jesus was a Discordian or Satanist
>(in the Maroney sense :) )

The Gnostic Gospels have even less connection to the historical Jesus than
the accepted Gospels.  Jesus was a Jew--the accepted Gospels were written
by Jews; I think that the Gnostic Gospels were written by Gentiles.  This
does not meant that Gnosticism should be ignored, but it (as with most of
Christianity) should not be attributed to the Jewish rabbi Jeshua ben Joseph.

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Weird! :-)
From: markbr@radian.UUCP (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: touchiness
Summary: are you implying I'm not?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:31:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Radian Corp. Austin, TX

In article <loren.36@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu>, loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller) writes:
# In article <4413@radian.UUCP> markbr@radian.UUCP (markbr) writes:
# >When one is hasseled for years, one has, it seems to me,
# >a right to be touchy, and to defend oneself. I, for another example, am a 
# >product of the 60's, and leftist. Should I not be touchy, when "politically
# >correct" people tell me I'm out of date, and that I was mistaken back then?
# 
# imho, defending oneself presumes that one is being attacked.
# -- 
Are you implying that I don't know when I'm being attacked, or that I haven't
been attacked, or that I'm so paranoid that I can't tell the difference 
between a *personal* attack and a scattershot attack (and is that really a
distinction?). If you want to discuss *that*, I can document it out the wazoo.
To restate a followup post of Janis', are you implying we don't have the right
to be "touchy", or that such feelings aren't valid (read: nobody else has to
care about their feelings, they're just touchy)?

# +++++++++++++++++++++++23
# Loren Miller              LOREN@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu
# Shoes are the most basic prerequisite for liberty

/*___________________________________________________________________________*
 *  1.     How *DARE* you attribute these opinions to anyone else!           *
 *  2.     Would *you* claim opinions like these if they *weren't your own?  *
 *					                                     *
 *		         Mark Silverdragon                                   *
 *					                                     *
 *          	       	markbr@radian                                        *
 *___________________________________________________________________________*/
Etymology, n.:
	Some early etymological scholars come up with derivations that
were hard for the public to believe.  The term "etymology" was formed
from the Latin "etus" ("eaten"), the root "mal" ("bad"), and "logy"
("study of").  It meant "the study of things that are hard to swallow."
		-- Mike Kellen
From: wt0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Henry Timmins)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Worship of the Greek gods
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:04:38 GMT
 <29CF87C2.19768@orion.oac.uci.edu> <180783@pyramid.pyramid.com> 
 <28130@hoptoad.uucp> <92091.121551IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> 
 <10194@inews.intel.com> <1992Apr5.151611.9064@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1027
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>In the course of a month, s/he will probably eat a little something from
>most areas of the world, irregardless of season.  We seem to grow taller,
>have sturdier skeletons, and live longer too.

	Actually, there is good evidence that before agriculture was invented,
humans were sturdier and longer lived/healthier than at any other point
in history.
	Reasons? Agricultural societies tend to foster systematic malnutrition.
Also, hunter-gatherer lifestyles tend to spur the body to grow bigger
and stronger than other lifestyles. And hunter-gatherers tend to have a
better diet than others.
	The only problem with hunter-gatherers, compared to modern
civilization, is that they have no networks to help them survive, and
their lack of medicine renders them sensitive to disease and trauma. On
the other hand, modern man has a large list of degenerative disorders
caused by our lifestyle.

I recommend The Paleolithic Prescription for more information.

-Me
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 16:36:50 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amerindian Booklist Help!
 <1992Apr4.073921.28533@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

or better yet, unless you are writing a thesis, don't try anything.
native americans are asking whites to leave their religion the hell
alone, and i personally think they have a perfect right to do so.

                                      -ailsa
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Subject: Re: Warfare and women
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:24:45 GMT


In article <29EB1E70.23266@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> When we state our opinions and those opinions are even slightly critical
> of men in general, we are accused of saying "All men are pigs."  When we
> state explicitly that we don't think that all men are pigs, we get
> accused of calling all men pigs.

All men are pigs! =8^)

> What the fuck do you people want anyway, and give me one good reason why
> I should care?

I enjoy your comments, so just be yourself.  If others flame you about them,
I say forget them for misinterpreting or not understanding your comments.

> 
> Janis C.


Keep smilin',

Brad

PS: reminds of a joke my wife told me "Sluts are women that sleep with everyone,
    bitches are women that sleep with everyone but you."

Brad Booth                |  BNR doesn't stand for Baskin 'N' Robbins,
Dept. 5S31                |  but during the summer we wish it did.
Bell-Northern Research    |  
bbooth@bnr.ca             |  BNR's opinions are BNR's.  Mine are mine.
From: nc313127@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Pagan-Christians(was Re: Animal Sacrifice (was: Re: Raising
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:03:33 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr8.180749.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, sparrish@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> What in the world does the question re. our religious practices previous to
> Satanism mean?  I suppose the answer to the question could be "yes," since I
> have practiced religions other that Satanism, and I have not yet practiced
> Satanism; but it seems the answer is "no," since "before" is a relative term
> and has no meaning if the binding time is not in the forseeable future.  
> I do not now, and have never, and do not plan on ever identifying myself as,   
> or considering myself, a Satanist.
> Just because we are pagan does not mean we worship Satan.  Indeed, the
> implication may be taken as an insult by a lot of people, and will certainly
> not be well-received.
> Also, how do you distinguish "religion" from "way of life"?  
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Cor imbutum nectare volat ad superna. 			
> I do not think it means what you think it means.
> ---------------------------  | In a waxless manner, and hoping for replies
> sparrish@eagle.wesleyan.edu  |		      *Sparrow*
> ---------------------------  |      Heretic, escripvaine, shade

Now, stop me if I am wrong but:
		1) To be a Satanist, you have to believe in Satan(Lucifer, the 
		   devil)

		2) To believe in Satan, you have to beleive Christ(or God) of
		   the Bible.

		3) If you believe in Christ, you are a Christian.

		4) Therefore, Satanist are Christians(or Anti-Christians if you
		   prefer).

		5) Then how can Satanist be pagans?
                   
		6) Or are there just a lot of pagan-christians running around
		   that I don't know about?

Azure
"Me, Myself, and I are three different people."
		
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From: nausicaa@hrnowl.lonestar.org (Nausicaa)
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: STNG
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 11:09:57 CST
Organization: Horned Owl BBS, Houston Texas.

> Openage - The Premire SCO UNIX integrator in the Washington D.C. area

Thank you for clarifying your statement...I did not realize that you were 
being sarcastic :) 
 

Nausicaa
From: pciszek@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: warfare and women
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:06:58 GMT

Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>what gunnora said!  women, taken as a species, are NOT more
>peace-loving than men...  i know *I* would kill if i or my

Women, taken as a species, are members of the exact same species as men.
This may seem like a nit pick, but I thought I should point it out because
many women do intentionally try to make "men" a category separate from
"humans".  (For example, any time men are called "males" and women called
"women" in the same document, the question is implied: male whats?  Obviously
not male versions of whatever women are, or the the women would have been
called "females".)


--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | Saddam Hussein still has a job; do you?