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From: jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge)
Subject: Re: TNG: Samaritan Snare. (SPoileRS, I suppose)
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:56:50 GMT

In <1bajudINN1jf@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> Matthew Hall <mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au> writes:
> [...]
>Avon: But the rumours of my death - 
>Tarrant: Have been greatly exaggerated. 
>Avon: Well, slightly exaggerated, anyway.
>                        (Blake's 7: Rumours of Death [C8]  -- thanks Kathryn
> [...]
>
>and Picard shortly after returning to the Bridge says :
>"The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated"
>
>Oh well, probably all just my imagination, but then I always did
>relate too many things together :^)

Well, they have a common source.  It's Y.A. Mark Twain quote, said after
it was widely reported that he had died.

	J

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I have, however, taken liberties with the barber pole.
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: TNG: Samaritan Snare. (SPoileRS, I suppose)
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:24:54 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Oct10.214722.90304@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>Yeh.  Like why do they keep sending their most important personnel into
>unkown territory?

This is a by-product of all the main characters being "important personnel".
There's only so many extras you can use (in the old series, the "extra"
redshirt was this week's "killed in action" victim :-) .  A nice addition to
the regular cast would be a small group of commando-types which make up the
bulk of the away teams each week.  We'd get some good extra sub-plots here too
if the leader of the commandos was a "shoot first, ask questions later" type,
in constant conflict with Captain "we can't kill the new kind of lifeform"
Picard.

>			Why didn't they try to beam him back as soon as
>Troi (the woman who USUALLY gives away the plot, but was `cleverly'
>off the bridge when all the decisions were being made) sensed a wrongness?

Because the Pakleds had raised their shields, and it's not possible to beam
through shields (a handy plot device to stop legions of troops beaming onto
an enemy ship to take over during a battle, and cutting each episode down
to 2 minutes in length. :-)

>And what do they need a transporter room for anyway when they can beam
>people from one place to another (eg. other ship to bridge)?

The technical manual calls this site-to-site transport, which happens in a
two stage process whereby the individual being beamed is first beamed to a
"pattern buffer" in the transporter room, and then re-routed to another
pattern buffer for the final destination.  This uses nearly twice the energy
of a normal beam.  Hence, when you are hundreds of light-years from the
nearest power-point to recharge the Enterprises batteries, it makes sense
to use the transporter room as much as possible. :-)  They probably also
have the transporter room set up for the special effects more than the
other parts of the ship, so it might cost more to create an episode with
beaming to a strange part of the ship.  Who knows.

>Don (who is waiting earnestly for the third series)

Cheers,

Rhys (who is too).
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From: os902821@smoke.canberra.edu.au (Scott David McLauchlan)
Subject: Re: Hair Loss
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:05:54 GMT

I suppose Patrick Stuart could wear a wig, but really, what 
do you think looks better,
this       (:->)
or this   {(:->)


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From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: Hair Loss
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:15:39 GMT

os902821@smoke.canberra.edu.au (Scott David McLauchlan) writes:
>I suppose Patrick Stuart could wear a wig

Patrick Stewart wear a wig???  When you're already the sexiest person
on earth (or, indeed, in the galaxy) why change it?

Fraser.
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From: rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>)
Subject: Star Wrecked - Books 1 and 2
Summary: Star Wrecked
Keywords: Available
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: melb
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:36:01 GMT

I was brousing through the Star Trek stuff at Minotaur Bookshop
(on Bourke Street in the City), and found the following titles.
	Star Wrecked - The Generation Gap
	Star Wrecked II - The attack of the Jargonites (or something
like that).
These two books are the unoifficially (but publicly available) parody of
Star Trek and Star Trek:TNG (both come together in the books).
Very funny material and worth getting. Cost for each book is about 12 -
13 dollars.
Just letting people know.
Rez.
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neurosurgeon, or an air-traffic controller. -- Gary Larson.
From: andrew.nipperess@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: S.T.T.N.G. (PENPALS)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:36:44 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: uucp
Having seen some of the other Borg episodes (I, Borg and Best of Both Worlds
I&II), I think the way the Borg became so powerful is by assimilating every
civilisation and technology that they came across- indiscriminately. They
would want to assimilate Federation technology to fill in any gaps in their
own knowledge, as well as to know thine enemy. 
 
So to the Borg, it doesn't matter where the tech comes from- as long as they
have it. And besides, the Enterprise actually did a decent job of slowing
the Borg down a little, so Federation tech would be quite useful for the
Borg to have.
 
                   Nipper

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From: Gil.Poznanski@f388.n634.z3.fidonet.org (Gil Poznanski)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: SF Magazines to good home
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:10:57 +1000

Hiya Zebee ,
            In reference to the magazines that are looking for a good 
home , I would love to help . I have a collection of magazines that I have
collected since my youth , and have spend alot of time tracking down old
magazine , and if the case may be restoring them . I would love to add your
magazines to the collection , and can arrange freight immediatly if the case may
be .
        I have waited awile for an oppertunity like this . Please 
write back through email .
I'll be waiting.....
              Gil .


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From: matty@cs.su.oz.au (James Matthew Farrow)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: CHANNEL 9 ST: NGT!!! NEWS :-)
Keywords: ST:TNG season five bloody good times arrow character data detail
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:51:46 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science

In article <1992Oct6.035214.25519@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>, gbeer@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au (Gabrielle Beer) writes:
|> 
|> BTW I've seen some episodes from TNG's fifth season and they are well
|> worth the wait.
|> 
|> 			Gabe
|> -- 
|> gbeer@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au 		3rd year B.App.Comp Student  
|> 	   University of Tasmania at Launceston, Australia
|> There is a rose in Spanish Harlem, A red rose up in Spanish Harlem.
|>               'Spanish Harlem' - Ben E King

I certainly hope there shall be more on Aus TV.  Having seen all the
episodes up to the end of Season 5 (except for 4 which went missing :-()
it seems a shame that the first two seasons were mostly weak.  There is
a definite improvement from Season 3 onwards.  Certainly some of the attention
to detail and character in stories such as `Yesterday's Enterprise',
and `In Theory' (an excellent character story for Data) is very satisying
to watch.  There are certainly still unimpressive stories in Season 5
but most are very good and I agree with Gabe -- they are worth the wait.

If you are a hardened ST:TNG fan, check out the guide if you can get
hold of it.  It's on ftp.coe.montana.edu but there may be a copy closer.
Please check before dragging megabytes from over there.

Now if only the tape with `Time's Arrow II' would get here...

					Matty.
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From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: TNG - Up the Long Ladder (SpoiLers)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:15:15 GMT

hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH) writes:

>Interesting to note that the *beautiful female gueststar* (TM) managed to 
>find, in her backward and completely back to nature society, both mascara, 
>lipstick, blush and a considerably better quality of clothing than any of 
>the other women.

Hey, you don't pay the BFGS to hang around in rags, now do you?

Was it implied that there were about 200 people on the first planet?
That's not many after 15 generations or so.  What happened?  And why
were they so happy about it?  And if the first planet had a viable
society, whence the need for shagging at least three different people
each afternoon?

And another thing.  The Klingon Tea Ceremony.  I wish they hadn't.  As
far as I could see, the ceremony consisted of putting some flowers into
cups of nice, hot poison (milk, no sugar) and scoffing it.  Not much
of a ceremony.

Well, in the end I thought that this episode was quite amusing, but
very light.  I hope series 3 comes our way.

BTW, I was watching a movie the other day, no idea which one, and they
had an ad for Unification (the end of series 5 and the beginning of
series 6).  Looked good.

Nor (unless I missed it completely) did we get an 
>explanation of just *why* her society chose this back-to-nature thing in the 
>first place.

It was mentioned way back in the beginning.  The original colonists
were serious greenies.

>And why they were willing to give it up and integrate with the 
>advanced society. 

The new colonists weren't serious greenies.

>Well, it wasn't really *bad*, but they can do better.

True enough.

Fraser.
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From: matty@cs.su.oz.au (James Matthew Farrow)
Subject: Re: TNG: Samaritan Snare. (SPoileRS, I suppose)
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:14:01 GMT

In article <s890412.719033478@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>, s890412@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher John Diffey) writes:
|> mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au (Matthew Hall) writes:
|> >Having just seen the Blake's Seven episode 'Rumours of Death' my question
|> >is this : was Picard's last statement a tip of the hat to Blake's Seven, or
|> >am I just imagining things.....at the end of the episode :
|> 
|> ...
|>
|> >Tarrant: Have been greatly exaggerated. 
|> >Avon: Well, slightly exaggerated, anyway.
|> >                        (Blake's 7: Rumours of Death [C8]  -- thanks Kathryn
|> >:-) 
|> 
|> >and Picard shortly after returning to the Bridge says :
|> >"The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated"
|> 
|> ...
|>
|> the saying "rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated" is quite 
|> common, though I can't tell you where it is from originally (well not off the
|> top of my head anyway :)
|>

I'm told it may be attributed to Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain), who wrote
it in a `letter to the editor' he sent to a newspaper.

					Matty.
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From: Henry.Gibbens@f352.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Henry Gibbens)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Space 1999
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 22:12:00 +1000

Hi All,
      Anybody notice what Channel 7 (Melb) has snuck into their overnight
 programming?  Space 1999!!!  OK, its at 4.15 in the morning, all right for
 those of us who have become video literate but a little rough on those who
 can't afford them.
      They have actually started at the beginning, screening 'Breakaway', the
pilot episode, this morning - 7th Oct.  Hopefully they will stick to the
 original running order.
      Maybe they'll also start screening UFO and we can have a real Gerry
 Anderson revival - fair enough since one of the other stations has an Irwin
 Allen afternoon with 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' and 'Land of the
 Giants' on Saturdays.
      Personally I always thought the Eagles were well ahead of their time -
 and I reckon they still are !!!!!!!!!
      CU
         H.


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From: hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH)
Subject: TNG: Samaritan Snare. (SPoileRS, I suppose)
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:22:27 GMT

I liked this episode. It kept my interest, although there were a couple of 
places where the plotline was a bit shaky. Why did Picard start dying? Why 
was his replacement heart faulty? The stupid pseudo-medical terms really 
amused me. 
It was lucky that Geordi's kidnappers *were* so stupid, because I have never 
heard such an obviously loaded conversation in my life....

Ankh
From: andy@csource.oz.au (andrew gulovsen)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: The Tomorrow People and Dr Who -- together (sort of)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:36:34 +1000

 SN> The Tomorrow people is currently being re-run on channel 7 in

yep.. have been watching every ep. since they started re-showing it..

 SN> the aliens) made the episode absolutely brilliant - almost camp!

actually.. that ep. is one of the few ep's of TP i have never really liked :-(

 SN> Anyone else seen this? Any other TP lovers out there (Kathryn?)

well.. i like to watch ;-)

ag

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From: andrew.nipperess@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: TNG: "Q Who"
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:27:40 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: Cej@Dstos3.Dsto.Gov.Au
I would hate to spoil this for you, but I'm going to anyway...
 
If you haven't yet seen "Deja Q", it is in that 3rd season episode where Q
actually does join the Enterprise- and makes quite a hash of things.
Hopefully, if Ch9 get 3rd season, it will be on here before too long.
 
                  Nipper

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From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Hair Loss
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:37:11 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia

kon@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kon Howl) writes:

>Turning on the boob tube late the other night I caught
>ST-TNG.

>It struck me that the charismatic captain of the new
>series was completely bald.

Not _completely_.

>Evidently, this program creates a universe where there
>are technological marvels such as warp drive, matter
>transportation, photon weapons, etc., yet the problem 
>of hair loss has yet to solved.

As someone whose head is rapidly approaching the reflective
level of Captain Picard's, why is this seen as a problem?
It doesn't worry me!

Geoff Miller  (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)
Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy
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From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Subject: Douglas Adams "Mostly Harmless"
Summary: Anyone read it yet?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:15:25 GMT

Has anybody read Douglas Adams' new book yet? Subtitled "The fifth
book in the increasingly inappropriately named Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy Trilogy", it's about 200 pages long, with well spaced
text, and looks a little light to spend $20 on a hardback copy unless
it's pretty good!

So, do we have any reviewers in the audience?

Mark.
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From: andrew.nipperess@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Whats the title/Author of this story
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:32:12 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: Matthew@Joyce.Cs.Su.Oz.Au
This story sounds a little reminiscent of Ray Bradbury's "Chronicles of
Mars". At least one story (its an anthology) is about a man wandering in the
desert who meets a time phantom from the previous Martian Civilisation, and
also sees lots of illusions of the area as it was throughout the past and
will be in the future (I think). 
 
I can't say for sure off the top of my head, but I can't be bothered with
actually checking right now.
 
 
                        Nipper

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From: s890412@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher John Diffey)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: TNG: Samaritan Snare. (SPoileRS, I suppose)
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:31:18 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au (Matthew Hall) writes:
>Having just seen the Blake's Seven episode 'Rumours of Death' my question
>is this : was Picard's last statement a tip of the hat to Blake's Seven, or
>am I just imagining things.....at the end of the episode :

>Avon: Servalan was planning on sending you a corpse. 
>Vila (handing Avon a drink): Corpse revival? 
>Avon: But the rumours of my death - 
>Tarrant: Have been greatly exaggerated. 
>Avon: Well, slightly exaggerated, anyway.
>                        (Blake's 7: Rumours of Death [C8]  -- thanks Kathryn
>:-) 

>and Picard shortly after returning to the Bridge says :
>"The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated"

>Oh well, probably all just my imagination, but then I always did
>relate too many things together :^)

the saying "rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated" is quite 
common, though I can't tell you where it is from originally (well not off the
top of my head anyway :)

chris
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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
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Subject: Re: channel 9 st: ngt!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:32:05 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
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colin.mcgregor@canrem.com (colin mcgregor) writes:


>Some of the minor characters from ST:TNG are going to go from the 
>Enterprise to DS9. The transfers are to include Transporter Chief
>O'Brian (who as I recall did not get any speaking lines during 
>season 1 & 2), Ensign Ro (who didn't appear until early 5th season),
>and D. Troi's mother.

Wrong.. O'Brien spoke quite a bit in the 2nd series (considering
his character) - he was in the poker games, did a lot of transporter
stuff, even helped out with crew probs in 10-Forward :)

Ensign Ro is a good looker ;-) *sigh*

-richard

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From: voros@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Joe Voros)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: TNG: Samaritan Snare. (SPoileRS, I suppose)
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:55:08 +1000
Organization: Physics Dept, Monash Uni, Melbourne, Australia.

hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH) writes:
> I liked this episode. It kept my interest, although there were a couple of 
> places where the plotline was a bit shaky. Why did Picard start dying? Why 
> was his replacement heart faulty? The stupid pseudo-medical terms really 
> amused me. 

The heart failure was a plot device to get Picard and Crusher together
for a heart-to-heart (sorry) about Picard's past.  This was done
probably to try to start ``fleshing out'' the characters.  The second
season, now nearing a close, needs some human interest.  The elder
statesman advises the young ensign. Yawnsville.  The Gee-Whiz
TechnoBabble (TM) is getting tiresome, although some did intrude in this
episode.  The ineptitude of the doctors was to bring about the need for
the female Enterprise Doctor to quickly be brought in.  This is
interesting.  The male doctors are utterly useless, which ties in with
what follows.

> It was lucky that Geordi's kidnappers *were* so stupid, because I have never 
> heard such an obviously loaded conversation in my life....

Sending in your top engineer is a bloody stupid thing to do, and Riker
should be relieved of his commission for such a blithering blunder.  The
only reason (i.e. plot device) for that was so that Gonzales could strut
her stuff in Engineering.  She was introduced last week, when I
earnestly thought she would die --- the usual fate for sudden new
characters with endearing fresh-faced enthusiasm.  However, when she
survived her first episode, I thought she might be a ``phase-in'' for
the soon-to-be-gone prick, Wesley Crusher.  The fact that she is so
capable now means that she is likely to survive.

This episode is interesting for this .  In both cases, it falls to women
to save the Stardate.  Picard owes his life both to the speed and skill
of Gonzales and that of the Enterprise's doctor.  Not to mention that
had Troi's warning been heeded, then a great deal of the episode would
not have happened.  In this way, the three female characters play a
vital role.  They are not merely decorations.

Subtlety, thy name is not Star Trek.  Having decided to push this
``message'' episode, the script suffered for the nonsensical plot
devices needed to generate the situations.  *sigh*  It is an important
message, but such a heavy-handed approach causes negative impact.

> Ankh
   
   O    Do you mean one of these??  I wear one around my neck.
  -+-   Not that I'm superstitious!!  I'm a Libran, and we're
   |    very level-headed about pseudo-science.

:)

-- 
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