HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:26:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


(rdonahue)
>>As I said, this application doesn't permit attribution.  
>[insert generic snide comment about Microsoft software]

It's not a MS app.



(me)
>>Other than to manually clip it in, that is.


(rdonahue)
/	So... then do it.  Are we responsible for your poor choice
/of software?  

God, you really are a whiner.  If I mispelled something, would you
also jump on that?  I must have hit pretty close to home on a few things
for you to be so damn rabid.





Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: B.S. forms a synapse
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:33:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug23.153320.8675
Organization: insert anything here


	B.S. has a hard time with labels --- apparently he calls
everyone here who he doesn't agree with "a nelly queen", whether 
they are or not.  

	I don't really care, first, because I got over my internalized 
homophobia years ago, and second, taking B.S.'s insults to heart
makes about as much sense as taking Pat Buchanan's insults to heart.

	The silliest thing is of course, his belief that somehow all
the people he disapproves of will somehow vanish and that everything
will be rosy after that.  I mean, he's not alone in this belief:
the Fundies have it, Hitler had it, B.S. just hasn't got the same
sense of "scope" the others do...

	In the end, we will win, and B.S. will reap all the benefits.
Not that he did anything constructive or helped very much.  It's
ridiculous to waste energy pandering to people who take our time,
energy and give nothing in return.  IF they want to eat the scraps
now and climb aboard later, fine.  Once we have the rights we're
fighting for, we'll be having too much fun, etc. to worry about who
did or didn't do their share.

	I won't let B.S. take any more of my time.  I urge everyone
to do the same.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: New queer terminology (was Re: The media, again)
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Aug16.225820.13089@reed.edu> <1992Aug17.051713.15854@reed.edu>
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:14:44

In article <1992Aug17.051713.15854@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
Minar) writes: 

   [a gracious explanation and apology]

   Is there any merit to thinking like this[gay/queer dichotomy]? I
   don't know, which is why I asked. It's fairly clear from the
   response so far that disclaiming all of "gay" is disdainful and
   insulting.

Almost certainly not.  Even if one is careful enough to avoid offense,
the categorizations are simply not going to be accurate.

   The supposed differences between the "new queer generation" and the
   "old gay generation" is not an issue I know very much about. The
   few chances I've had to learn so far have been inadequate. Most of
   my political knowledge comes from working with Queer Nation /
   Portland.  There are a couple of books I have read about early gay
   lib (one, "The Gay Mystique", was important for my coming out), and
   I've talked to and worked with people who have been gay for longer
   than I have. But I don't really understand what it means to be
   homosexual before 1988.

Neither do I, not having lived it.  Fiction and history give some
insight, as does the oral tradition.

- Bob
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Huntsville? Hmmmm.... (was Re: Introduction)
Date: 22 Aug 1992 16:56:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug21.153303.8455@infonode.ingr.com> 
norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >Well, no.  I've never ventured to Huntsville, Alabama.  But it's
> >just remotely possible I might swing by someday on my way to visit 
> >a friend who's about to start teaching at dread Auburn University.
>
> Stop by on your way *back*.  After Auburn, Huntsville will seem *MUCH* more
> interesting.  

I don't see how that could be.  After he expressed some anxiety that
Auburn might be, um, *dull* after Baltimore-Washington, New York, 
and LA, Howard (my friend) was told that Auburn has everything
anyone could ever want: Chinese restaurants, bookstores, even a
place to rent porno tapes.  (Gosh!  It's a real city!)  

>               (No offence to your friend.)

None taken.

> >*Remotely* possible I might swing by.  But surely the arrival
> >of the Motss Grand Faggot to your humble village would occasion
> >days of feasting and celebration in his honor?
>
> Of course!  Southern Belles(tm) are nothing if not hospitable; especially
> to a visiting dignitary.

I'll expect crowds at the train depot and a ticker-tape parade
down Main Street (did they ever manage to pave it?).

> >I feel faint~~~
>
> STEP BACK!!  He may require resuscitation...

I feel ever so much better.  Thanks.

> >> I'm in danger of becoming an Arneholic.
> >Oh heavens, the dangers of Arneholism (I like the sound of that)
> >are vastly exaggerated.  
> >Open wide.
>
> Why Arne... you're such a *good* host.

I try not to disappoint.

Arne
From: nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Personal for Tim
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:16:19 GMT
Reply-To: nih00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Distribution: na
Organization: None last time I looked

If your name isn't Tim hit "n" now.

Tim, if you are finally settled in please send 
me mail.  Thanks

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming or 
what ever it was you were doing when I interrupted you.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:56:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug19.045611.8967
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <m=!n=+m.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>I am the future.  The future of men, the future of African-Americans, the  
>>future of homosexuality.  You have the choice between reaching out to me or  
>>ignoring me.  Either way, I'll survive ... you can believe that.
>
>I'd prefer to think that people like John Dorrance and Elf Sternberg are
>the wave of the future. 

This issue (wave theory) has really never occurred to me before,
and any one of the statements above is enough to knock me for a loop
(which, I hasten to point out, says nothing about Lovegod, John or Elf,
but a lot about the sentiment itself.)

However, I really have to step in and state the obvious, namely that
*we* (the over-the-hill gang and those rapidly approaching) are the wave
of the future.  Lovegod, John, Elf, Nelson, all of them will become
old farts like us in a remarkably few years, tender chickens suddenly
turned to tough old hens, destined to lecture to those too fresh 'n
clean to appreciate that they'd been there before as well.  Just wait
for the 25th anniversary of soc.motss.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Rob Bernardo
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:21:13 GMT
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

It seems unreal to me, although it's not the first or the last time that
we'll experience such a loss.  It never becomes a familiar experience.
I learned a lot from Rob reading his correspondence to this group, and he
has been a teacher to (to me) above all.

I regret never having met him in person, and recognize the need to make
a more concerted effort to make friends with the those on soc.motss whose 
posts I so much enjoy and respect.

-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                      rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com]
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: research on the gay male voice
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:19:35 GMT

If linguists identify, define, and quantify the "gay male voice", does
that mean we can program speech synthesizers to use different voices?
I want a gay male toaster, a bulldyke pickup truck, a lesbian thearapist
workstation.

Maybe a drag queen vibrator?

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:26:28 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Aug18.035856.16336@spdcc.com> anon@spdcc.com (Forwarded Anonymous Posting) writes:
>
>        I just saw parts of Pat Buchanan's speech live at the Republican
>Convention.  I couldn't stand to watch all of it.  He rambled on and on
>about morals and such.  The most offensive thing he said was that Clinton
>backed homosexuals, as if we are a bad disease.  

In some ways his boldness is a blessing, Buchanan didn't bother to put
the sugar coating on his poison, maybe for once people won't swallow it.
He was so confident that he didn't even bother using code words like special
right, etc.
He said flat out that homosexuals should not have the same rights as
heterosexuals. 
The sad thing is I don't think Clinton has the courage to shoot back,
the conservatives showed what there really about for once without
the sugar coating.

>The conventioneers were
>booing at not only Clinton, but at us.  It is so ironic how someone can
>preach fundamental and moral love for God and of God, but go around and
>despise those who are not "morally" correct.  The theme of Buchanan's
>speech seemed to me to be of love, yet how can there be when he and his
>party is constantly preaching hate?

I don't remember any mention of love in the speech, it was about as
radical as you can get unless your David Duke.

Reagan actually looked good after Buchanan.

>The views of the fundamentalist
>Republican party are out of date and truly do not represent the views of
>the majority of Americans.

This was the only redeeming part of Buchanan's speech, its was so radically
vile that it may help to drive moderates away from the republicans.

On the otherhand if the republicans win I will be really worried since
the radical right wing will have even more power.
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What *IS* "Heaven", anyway?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:54:48 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug12.205835.18272@adobe.com>,
asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
> In article <63835@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> >
> >A friend of mine in college told me that he feels that "heaven"
> >is a place where you catch up on all the sin you missed on Earth.
> 
> No, heaven is a place where nothing ever happens.

No, heaven, heaven is a place, a place where nothing, nothing ever happens.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"Being kissed by a man who didn't wax his moustache was --
like eating an egg without salt." -- Rudyard Kipling
From: wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walt  Peterson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Responses to people dying
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:23:59 GMT
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Company. San Diego R&D

In article <1992Aug20.151517.24796@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug20.031627.28817@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp
>(Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>
>>Maybe on the next "Day Without Art" we should try to get
>>everyone to not post to soc.motss / soc.bi in honor of all
>>the net.folks that have past away.  It could be a "Day
>>Without Posts".  (I'm sure it'll be a struggle for some.)
>
>I'm not opposed to the suggestion in any way, and anything
>that would honor the memory of Rob and others departed would
>find favor with me.  Btw, I didn't know there was a "Day
>Without Art" (because this is about Rob, I'll pass up some
>of the opportunity for wry comments on how that's
>distinguished from garden-variety days).
>


I am still in a bit of a state of shock myself.  I didnt know Rob all
that well, I had read his postings with interest and we had exchanged
a few mail messages ages ago, but that was about the extent of it.

Stil, I was very upset to hear the sad news.  I was reminded of that
day about a year ago when I heard of Randy Pollard's passing.  Both
times I had just gotten into the office and started my day as I
usually do, by reading USENET.

Both times the news had the effect of making me not much good for any
practical purpose for the rest of the day.  Both times I had to take a
few minutes to go outside to the Japanese garden behind our office and
have a cry.

I have lost three friends over the last 12 months to this epidemic,
but somehow the losses of the net.friends have come as more of a shock
and a stun.  Perhaps it is because of the rather 'unreal' nature of
cyberspace that subconsciously, I may expect that nothing bad can
happen here.

At any rate, I think that some kind of memorial event is quite fitting
here for all of our comrades who have gone on.  The "Day Without Art"
that has been observed in conjunction with at least the last two
'World AIDS Days' is an interesting idea.  Perhaps a posting
moratorium could be held in conjunction with the March on Washington
on April 25.

In any event, I'll always remember Rob and Randy and all the others
whether there is a memorial event or not.  I'll remember them and miss
them.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: a moment for Rob
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 10:44:36 GMT















--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 04:34:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l906lvINN3pa@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> as you whisked the grandest item in weeks right out of the
>
>Weeks?  It's been a dry *year*.

Really, Arne, I know that academics don't make much money, but I'd think
you could afford a bottle of lube. 

Or do you just like it dry?


-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GRANDPA WALTON: Is he gay? Help please....
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:31:30 GMT

dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) writes:

>In a speech a few days ago Bush said:
>[He'd like] "to make American families a lot more like the Walton's
> and less like the Simpson's."
>Well I seem to recall that the actor Will Geer, who played Grandpa
>Zeb Walton, has come out and proclaimed he is gay. Is this fact
>or urban legend?

Yes, in fact Grandpa Walton molested John-Boy while Mary-Ellen was
tied up on Grandma Walton's bed. :-):-):-)

Seriously, though, Will Geer has been dead since 1978.  Use the past
tense in your statements!

And while I'm at it, if the president wants to beat Bill Clinton, he's going
to have to start running against him and not against Bart Simpson or Murphy
Brown.  Of course, I don't mind if he loses.  I mind if he wins.

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arsenio
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:24:20 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug12.152616.10260@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>*Some* spellings *must* be corrected:

Mine too.

>Wiesel (wee-zell' or vee-zell') is a great humanitarian
>first-named Eli.  The fierce furry beast is a weasel
>(wee'-zel).

Elie, turns out.

-- 
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From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: New queer terminology (was Re: The media, again)
Organization: Stanford University
	<ROBERTL.92Aug16221425@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Aug17.111715.22383@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:38:13

In article <1992Aug17.111715.22383@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

   In article <ROBERTL.92Aug16221425@luciano.Stanford.EDU>
   robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper) writes:

   >Your version of queer sounds like nothing more interesting
   >than callow young arrogance.

   Nelson has (or is about to, I'm not all the way through this
   morning's postings yet) recanted.  But let it be noted that
   once in a while I can actually agree with a Republican!  :-)

Jess, you say the *sweetest* things.

- Bob (enjoying the thought that as a defecting Republican I will be
doing double damage to Georgie this November)
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 16 Aug 1992 00:19:41 EDT
From: <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Robert Tilton off the air!
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug15.203216.19843@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
rjones@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rex A. Jones) writes the good news:

>Just in case you have not heard, another one of the fundies has gone off
>the air!.  That's right, Robert Tilton's SUCCESS-N-LIFE,
>has bottomed out.

Praise the Lord!

Jack Carroll
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: New queer terminology
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: arrggghh!
Organization: apparently, none
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:52:30 GMT

my own solution to the labeling problem has been to refer to myself as
gay, a gay man, queer, a queer, a lesbigay person, family, a family
member, a faggot, and a fag (if necessary, as homosexual or a
homosexual), interchangeably.  one of two or these will convey the
right meaning to any particular family member i happen to be talking
to.  everybody else gets to expand their vocabularies a little.

now nelson tells me that, in his estimation at least, i am not
entitled to use several of these words for myself, because they
describe people with admirable qualities that i do not possess, and
(because of my age and life experiences) cannot.  i am insulted beyond
words.

arnold (who apparently never was eligible for a queer card)


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.080403.24116@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>Me, I have no idea what to say.

    I do.....

    After reading all the eulogies to Rob, I can only say I wish I'd
    been as fortunate as those who knew him personally.  I read his
    posts, even sent him mail a time or two, but that's all.

    Rob, I wish I'd been fortunate enough to have met you.  Rest in
    peace, dear friend.

--
============================================================================
|                                                   Gerry Swetsky  WB9EBO  |
|                                                                          |
|                                                   lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us |
============================================================================
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: What's in a Name
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:16:33 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In response to a posting of mine about liking a kind of
butch quality to my first name (quite apart from any other
reality, of course), I got a delightful bit of email, to
this effect:

>When i first discovered soc.motss, my mental picture of you
>was of a grizzled old dyke, dispensing wisdom from on high.
>It was a profound surprise to find out you were/are male.

So it *is* pretty butch! :-)

I liked this story, because it conjures up a neat image, and
it suggests that maybe some of the time, though I may be
obnoxious, at least it isn't always male obnoxiousness.  So
I take it my friend pays me a high compliment with her
observation.

-- 
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From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Summary:  high flying adored, and so young ...the lay of them all
Keywords:  slightly paraphrased : -)
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:17:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.130847.5516@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>chuckm@claiborne.tcs.com (Chuck Meares):
>> You sir, I definitely do NOT like.  
>

...no-one impressed me at all,
 i never expected them to...

>``don't cry for me, jake coughlin.  the truth is i never liked you.
>  not in your wild days, your mad existance.''

i'll keep my promise, you keep your distance...

   -ken, particular fond of this one and certain sexual memories associated.
    now i'm going to HAVE to go listen to it. damn you our jake coughlin :-)
-- 
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From: aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jeans
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:42:57 GMT
	<64366@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug21.151439.19989@panix.com>
	<SHAFER.92Aug21151410@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
Organization: Computer Science, University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <SHAFER.92Aug21151410@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> 
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
   o> Well, I can dig it, but I got a question - how do you avoid that
   o> embaressing wet spot after you pee?

   o> I *still* think these's a fortune to be made by one of the
   o> one of the "personal products" companies by butching up the
   o> packaging of mini-pads and coming up with a marketing strategy
   o> to sell them to men (the non-penis-challanged) to catch those last
   o> few drop of the famous rhyme.

   Too late!  Saturday Night Live has already had an ad for this product.
   The name was "Peni-pads".

Occasionally I think that American TV is just too bland for words
(Goddess I hated TV in the States when I was over there last summer),
but just every so often, a small gem such as this redeems my faith
that US TV can actually be OK.

OK. Confession time. Also a question. How many other women out there
wear certain miniature personal products with their lycra leggings
so that they don't have to put up with either a) panty lines or
b) potential embarrassment? 

Ang 

--
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Aberystwyth. SY23 3BZ. UK               | I need to be at least 2,000 miles 
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