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From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter)
Subject: Re: Wangtek TAPE hangs on IBMPC clone
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:58:20 GMT

dbullis@cognos.com (Dave Bullis) writes:
>I've picked up a Wangtek tape drive and controller and am having some
>problems.  I can write a few records (from 1 to 20) onto the tape but
>then the tape hangs.
>
>The controller says: ASSY 30850-008 Rev F3
>The drive says: Wangtek 5099EN24, ASSY NO ???32-010-RevC

I have similar hardware, and for a while I have a similar problem.
Then I slowed my motherboard speed down to CLK/4 (on my CMOS setup screen)
where CLK=25 MHz. So you might just be running the I/O bus on your motherboard
too fast.

	fred
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From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a way to cold boot off second floppy drive?
Distribution: world
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:23:02 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Thu 19 Nov 92 15:12, Digdug@iastate.edu (doug V Tran)
wrote:

 DVT> Else you can use the msdos command 'assign'
 DVT> ex: assign b=a
 DVT> do a 'help assign' to get the right syntax.

Sorry, but your advice is wrong.  ASSIGN only allows the B: drive to be
used as the A: drive AFTER the machine is booted.  The swap won't survive
either a machine reset (warm boot) or a cold boot.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann)
Subject: Re: Colorado 250M tape backup
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:28:41 GMT

In article <102293@bu.edu> edwong@bu.edu (Edward Wong) writes:
>Does anyone here own a Colorado 250?  I got one, and wish to use central
>point backup with it.  But I ALWAYS get a lot of error when I format the
>tapes, they are brand new tapes!!!  By the way, I am using the cpbackup
>that came with pctools v8.
>Can someone help me please?  Thanks.

The 120 MB tapes should be formatted with the medium speed. This was a problem
under PC Tools 7.1. IF they are Xiamat formatted tapes, try degaussing the tape
and then formatting them. Also, check which format you are trying to use i.e.
Qic, or CPS. I have had better luck using the CPS format.
>
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: do-minh@suned.cs.yale.edu (Minh Do)
Subject: Boca Modem ( billapc!baustin (Bill Austin))
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:13:58 GMT

Bill, your address was unreachable, so I'm posting this question.


Does the Boca External 14.4 Modem have the 16550 UART?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: ultrasound
X-To: EDWARD WONG
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:22:00 GMT

From edwong@bu.edu (Edward Wong)
>Has anyone received their gravis ultrasound card?

    Yes.  3 weeks ago.  But I just went out to a store and bought it.

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From: nazareth@malibu.janet.ucla.edu (Sean F. Nazareth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Distribution Mach32 drivers for GW2000 486-66V SUCK! (Was: Re: Gateway experience (positive to date!))
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:31:57 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

It is likely that the lines which you see are acually built into the monitor.
Many large hi-res. monitors have them.  They are call something like
shadow-mask tension lines (I think).   I do not believe that the video card is
causing them
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: faruque@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Abdullah Faruque,334CH,3752,2654247)
Subject: Re: keyboard too fast -- how to slow it down?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:53:30 GMT

From article <1edoi8INNhn6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by cn445@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joe Liu):
> 
> This is a WISE brand 101 key keyboard. I often get repeated characters
> if I touch the keys a little longer. Is there anyeway I can reduce the keyboard 
> speed? Both in windows and DOS. Thasks.
> 
> Joe

In windows you can set it in the keyboard option of the control panel.

In DOS you can use MODE command to change the keyboard speed. The command
is like:
	MODE con rate=r delay=d
where,
r specifies the typematic interval time. Possible values are 1-32
d specifies the auto-repeat start delay time. Possible values are 1-4.
This option is available in DOS 5.0, I do not know if it is also available
in previous ver. of DOS or not.

-Faruque
Email: faruque@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
From: hm@opus40.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Help on EMM386.exe
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:46:19 GMT
Organization: iX-Redaktion


In article <1992Nov14.011354.16254@njitgw.njit.edu>, scr2275@hertz.njit.edu (Samuel C. Ramac) writes:
|> Hi!
|>   I'm having some difficulty installing EMM386.exe to my new 486sx computer.
|> Whenever I install it on my config.sys without a parameter e.g.
|> device=c:\emm386.sys, my computer tell me that: UNABLE TO SET PAGE FRAME BASE
|> ADDRESS.  However if I include the NOEMS parameter everything is fine, except
|> that I don't have any expanded memory capability.
|> 
|>   Can anyone help me?  I appreciate any help.
|> 
|>   Thanks!
|> 
|>   -Sam-

You should probably add some more info on your machine, e.g. adaptor cards,
additional ROMs etc. 

Anyway, I suspect your machine contains an additional ROM at address C800h
(SCSI Controller ?) while EMM386 tries to install the EMS page frame at this address. Write "device=emm386.exe ram frame=d000" and it should work. 
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From: mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. Munoz)
Subject: WANTED: SCSI Controller Recommendations
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:02:51 GMT

Hello, I am in the market to buy a new SCSI controller.  I was wondering
which one would be the best to get.  Specifically, I want to know the
advantages and disadvantages between getting a cheaper SCSI controller
(e.g. generic or small name brand) and a more expensive controller 
(e.g. Ultrastor, Adaptec, Future Domain).

If I were just to use them for controlling a hard drive, would there be
a difference between the two (at least in terms of compatibility)?  Also,
what do the ASPI (sp?) drivers do?  Do you need SCSI drivers for SCSI
controllers in general?

Please excuse my ignorance, most of my computer experience has been with 
MFM, RLL, IDE controllers.  SCSI is an new frontier for me.  Seems 
complicated.

Thanks!

Marc Munoz
mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: HELP: Need docs for DFI Racer 286/12
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:25:49 GMT
Organization: UB

I bought this motherboard, and the person I bought it from said the docs
were damaged in a flood, but he would call up the company and have them
send them.  Then he said that American Megatrends bought out DFI, and that
they would be able to give me the docs.  He gave me the phone number for
AMI, and I called them.  They told me all they deal in is BIOS.  Does
anybody have this motherboard that might be able to send me a copy of the
docs, PLEASE?!?!?!  Any other information would also be helpful.  Thanks.



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From: jwbutler@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joseph Butler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Conner Drive Geometries available to the Net
Keywords: Conner, Hard drive, geometry
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:11:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bxxy39.6q7
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University

Once again, as a service to the net.community I am offering an electronic
copy of the drive geometry sheet that came with my Conner hard drive.

Anyone wishing a copy of this file should reply to this posting, and a copy
will be mailed out as fast as my mailer will allow.

NOTES:  From previous experience, if your mail has a tendency to bounce around,
	please provide the path that will reach you without many problems.

	I do not claim any responsibility for errors in the file. It is as
	correct as the original paper copy that came with my drive from
	the distributor. Any problems should be refered to Conner Peripherals.

	Please do not contact me for Conner's phone; I don't know it.


If you do not recieve your copy within 1-2 weeks, please re-send your request.


J. Butler


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: root@groucho.GUN.de (Michael Diehl)
Subject: Info wanted for IBM-Monitor 5379 C01
Organization: Diehl, Hungerdunger, Hungerdunger & McCormick
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:45:06 GMT

I'am (desperately) looking for Information regarding the 
19'' monitor mentioned in the subject line.
There are four BNC-Cables going from the monitor to a converter-box,
wich is labeled 5378. Three of the cables cary the RGB-signal. 
Information is needed on the fourth cable (must be composite-sync).
The sync frequencies and the polarity of the sync-signal must be kown,
so that I can use the Monitor with my i386-Box.

Any help appreciated, Michael


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From: hanzak@jazz.concert.net (Jayme Hanzak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Help with Compaq VGA Card
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:05:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network

I have Compaq VGA card that I acquired some time back. It is a 16 bit
card. I was told that it needed all 16 bits to produce color. However,
when I put the card into my XT I found that it produce the same colors
in the 8 bit slot. 

So this has me wondering what this card is capable of doing. There are
two proms on the card with the following numbers on them.

		109794.003 and 109793.003

It also has a large Paradise PVGA IC on the card along with 3 oscillators.

There is also a paper label that says,"Compaq diamond FOOIL"

Can anybody help me out on this card. It works fine, I just want to
know more about the card.


Thanks for your help...
From: dvs@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Wolfgang R. Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: HP Scanjet family - where are their control codes described ?
Keywords: Scanjet
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:20:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Centre, Heinrich-Heine-University, Duesseldorf, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: mueller.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

Whereas for other HP peripherals there is always (regrettably for extra 
money only) a technical manual describing the control sequences and a short
summary in the user manual acompanying the device, not the least such
information is available for the HP scanjet family !
Can anyone point me to such information or tell me why HP is so silent
about it ?
Thanks in advance,
Wolfgang R. Mueller <dvs@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de>,
Computing Centre, Heinrich-Heine-University, Duesseldorf, Germany.
From: darrylo@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Darryl Okahata)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:25:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Compuserve questions
Organization: Center for Primal Scream Therapy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, jrs@zippy.unet.com (John Switzer Frame 3.0) writes:

> The basic charge covers all activity in a select group of services; the 
> forums, however, cost about $12/hr for 2400 baud. You might also have
> to pay connection charges if you are using telnet or some other sort 
> of phone link; CompuServe has their own. 

     If you do a lot of downloading, using a 9600 baud modem is
cheaper.  At 9600 baud, the cost is something like $22-$23/hour.  If you
download a 100K file, here's what you pay (ignoring the fact that
Compuserve bills in 1 minute increments):

	2400 baud @$12/hr, assuming 225 chars/sec	--> $1.52
	9600 baud @$23/hr, assuming 800 chars/sec	--> $0.82

Note that I've listed transfer rates lower than the theoretical maximum.
That's because the above numbers are what I've typically seen for
average transfers (i.e., they are "real-life" values).

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.
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From: stu@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Stu Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,alt.cd-rom,comp.multimedia,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Is There a Sound Card with Everything?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 13:16:24 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: stu.warren.mentorg.com

Does this card exist?

* Hardware compatable with Sound Blaster for maximum support by game designers

* True SCSI port for use with any standard SCSI CD-ROM drive (8 or 16 bit? I
  don't know which one CD-ROM drives use)

* Hardware compatable with MPU-401 MIDI card for use with any MIDI software
  that supports the MPU-401

* Dual joystick port (this is an easy one!)

Most of the compatablity issues can be handled with drivers in Windows,
  but not for DOS programs - like games. I don't want to load up my
  system with more TSRs and drivers - especially if they don't always
  work! I really want hardware compatability.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kandial@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: Is Gateway a publicly held company? I think I'll short some stock...
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:52:35 GMT

Hi Steve!

In regards to Gateway's poor QC (or lack thereof) and UPS's behemoths
I personally have a few stories to relate.

We've been getting quite a few Gateways on site over the past year and
one that stands out in my mind was a 486sx/25 that I was responsible
for setting up in a user's office.  As I took the system out of the box,
I heard a loose screw rattle to the bottom of the chassis.  Thinking that
maybe one had come loose in shipping (all the way from South Dakota to
Manitoba, maybe 500 miles in truck travel) I ripped open the tower case
to take a peek.  And out fell a handful of screws.  And brass motherboard
plugs.  The entire motherboard was loose!

Now we could have blamed Purolator or Fed Ex or UPS or the Custom's people.
Or our own shipping department.  But after I mounted the entire motherboard
with the screws and plugs so generously provided, I came across the last
screw and the last hole.  THe hole  was okay.  it was round and there seemed
to be threads in it to accomodate a screw of likewise proportions.  But the
screw upon closer inspection, actually had no threads.  I searched the entire
case and box and packaging.  No other screw could be found.  this was the one
destined for this hole.  Yet it couldn't have possibly ever made it's way
into it.  It couldn't have.

I contacted Gateway.  They were very apologetic about the entire affair.
They offered to send a replacement system, but that was unnecessary as the
original once properly mounted, worked fine.  The tech at the other end,
did suggest that I write a letter to Gateway to formally complain about
the incident, which I did.  In a couple of weeks I received a reply from
the same tech, on plain white paper (no letterhead?) that the letter had
been forwarded to the appropriate channnels.  Nothing since then.

We still buy at Gateway, since they still continue to offer the best
bang for the buck.  Recently a 386/33 motherboard that we purchased from
them failed to work with an I/O interface.  I just received the new board
an d am going to be testing it today.  The service is great, tho it would
be nicer if the systems didn't have to be ripped apart upon receiving
(which I now do to every one I get).

Ciao!

---

Lucas Kandia
Atomic Energy of Canada
Pinawa, Manitoba
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: eduard@htsa.aha.nl (Eduard Beijnes)
Subject: Re: Phoenix BIOS - How do you get to CMOS setup?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:52:25 GMT
Organization: Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam, Polytechnic Institute

On my computer (a Tulip SX compact 2) I use a special diagnostic program 
(diagnose) from the manufacturer (tulip).

Also someone could copy the bios for you (I am not sure about copyright)
and use debug to use it.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.linux,comp.periphs,comp.unix.sysv386
From: jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle)
Subject: Xfree86 + showfont: can't open server "(null)"
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:55:07 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

Hi,

Having installed the SLS 0.98.1 distribution, then upgraded the
kernel to 0.98.5 + ALPHA SCSI, I have noticed some difficulty with
X11 clients.

Namely, several of them, such as showfont, give the message:

can't open server "(null)"

I have tried specifying VGA256, vga256, and Ischade (my machine name)
in order to get it to run, to no avail.  Has anyone else run into this
problem and, if so, have they found a solution?

Also - when installing X11, the server wouldn't start because it was
unable to locate the fixed fonts.  I copied my .../lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
from the older X11 dist. and it started fine.  As an experiment, I also
used the compressed fonts, which seem to work ok.  I was trying to confirm
this with "showfont".  Changing the fonts doesn't seem to affect the
outcome.  I also noticed this problem when trying to run xtrek.

any help is much appreciated!

Thanks, 

Jean.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: marten@ilt.fhg.de (Lutz Marten)
Subject: Prices for notebooks 386/486 in U.S.
Keywords: price
Reply-To: marten@ilt.fhg.de
Organization: FhG-ILT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:02:06 GMT


I'm wonder if I should buy my new PC notebook in Germany or U.S.. Could anyone tell me some actual prices for notbooks, 386/486 >= 25 MHz, 8 MB RAM, 120 MB dis ? What about the IBM Thinpad ?!?
ThanX !
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From: rjc@crosfield.co.uk (roger clark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Microfield Graphics Inc, graphics card
Keywords: Microfield Graphics,T8
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:14:47 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

Hi,
   I have inherited a PC with has a Microfield Graphics Inc, graphics card
in it (a T8 I think, from the markings).   It appears to be a very
powerful graphics gard, but DOS only treats it as an EGA controller.

Does anyone out there in net-land, know anything about this card, or
a contact address for Microfield Graphics Inc, so that I can get in contact
with them.




Thanks in advance    


			Roger Clark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kkc@hel.cs.wayne.edu ()
Subject: Hard drive information needed ... please help
Organization: Somewhere in Detroit, Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:32:59 GMT


Does anyone have the spec. or information for a hard disk:
Mitsubishi  MF504C-318U   980-80-9103

These are the information that I got from the outside of the hard disk.
The company that sold me the drive has gone out of business.

I would like to find out what kind of drive it is (IDE, RLL, MFM, or ?),
the capacity, and the drive type.

Or if you have the phone number of Mitsubishi - computer hardware dept.,
I would very appreciate it if you would give it to me.

Thank you.
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From: gaspar@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Unknown Harddisc
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:10:59 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland


Some days ago, I had the chance to buy a 2nd hand Harddisc but the 
cylinders/sectors/head infromation the vendor gave me seem to be wrong.
Since I got the harddisc without a case and information I don't even know
what brand it is...
On top it says:     imprimis   M/N ST1100
and on the pcb:     Rigidyne

The vendor told me that it's a 80Meg MFM disc with 17 sectors, 9 heads
and 1024 cylinders. When I format the disc with these figures I get errors.

Has anyone an idea what kind of disc this could be.
Any help is greatly apreciated.

laci
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