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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: simulation games
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.002524.690@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes...
>In article <14AUG199216220398@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>>It's interesting to note that the board game ratings for PTP are different
>>than those used in the computer version of the game.
> 
>Less surprising when you realize that the board game and computer game were
>developed completely independently.

This is really surprising to me--I would expect that there would be closer
interaction between the two groups (Is the computer game rigidly based on
the board game or not?)

> 
>>for years, but recently purchased PTP (board and computer), and was quite
>>impressed by the fielding ratings and system in the board game.  But the
>>computer version had very different ratings (for example, Van Slyke was
>>given the highest 'range' rating in the board game (certainly justifiable)
>>, but a rating of FAIR in the computer game!!).  There are numerous
>> examples similar to this in the computer game--I had to manually edit ratings
>> in the computer game to bring them into line with the cards (and
>>reality).
> 
>How exactly do you know what "reality" is?  A FAIR rating for Van Slyke at
>this point isn't all that out of line; he's clearly not covering the ground
>he used to.  He's simply not as fast as he used to be, and hasn't been for
>quite a while.  Take a look at the other numbers that relate to speed; he
>hits about half the triples he did at his peak, and steals half the bases.
> 
I'm sorry--I didn't mean to imply that I knew reality any better than 
anyone else.  I know you see a lot more Pirates games than I do, and if you
say AVS has lost a step or two in CF, I believe you.  However, I'd still
think that on a scale of Excellent-Very Good-Average-Fair-Poor, it'd be 
surprising that AVS had falled to a below average rating...

I simply used AVS as an example--there are others (The Stump (TM) was given
an average range rating...Ugh.)  I was simply stating that, IMHO, the board
game ratings were a bit more in line with what I have seen as a fan than those
given in the computer game.

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:22:48 GMT

In article <Tanya_Davis.esh-110892161352@tahiti.slac.stanford.edu> Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Davis) writes:
>I wonder -- you aren't from the Bay Area, are you?  If you were, you
>wouldn't have made that comment.

I live and work in Mountain View, CA.

>I could go on and on, but hopefully the other guy will see this post and
>post my letter of reasons not to like the A's.....if not, I'll try to
>recompose.

It's really not necessary.  What you've posted of it so far just sounds
like more whining.

Ever noticed that when teams you already don't like win, they seem to
"develop an attitude", unlike the teams you already like?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: It ain't over yet
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:21:10 GMT
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Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <4656@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) says:
>
>This is all very interesting but it seems that for all the talk one important
>aspect is being ignore.  Even if local buyers were come forth wouldn't that
>create a real legal stink for MLB?
>
>I mean I'm certainly no expert in contract law but didn't Lurie's public
>announcement of an acceptance of an offer for the purchase of the team
>constitute a valid contract?  I know the "best interest of baseball" clause
>carries alot of weight in internal baseball matters but now that the deal
>has been struck with the city of Tampa to not carry through for no other
>reason
>than an offer from a local buyer n SF would seem to be an open and shut law
>suit for the city of Tampa.
>
     Well, for a normal business enterprise, that might be true, but major
league sports are granted special exemptions from a lot of laws (antitrust,
etc).  In the bylaws of MLB *any* team sale must be approved by three quarters
of the owners in that team's league and half of the owners in the other
league... If a reasonable offer from a local group surfaces, it's less likely
that owners skittish about moving teams around the country will approve the
sale to Tampa.

Brett
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:10:13 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 25623@cs.cornell.edu, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.203034.16928@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
 

>BTW, who was the last AL pitcher to allow fewer than 1 baserunner per
>inning (while still qualifying for the ERA title)?  Any guesses?
>

Don't have my Encyclopedia with me. Ron Guidry?

>Cheers,
>-Valentine
>-- 
>Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu

Michael Wong
msw10@ras.amdahl.com
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: Re: Kevin Gross No-Hits Giants---and Wins!
Organization: Fordham University
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Keywords:  Dodgers
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:27:00 GMT
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In article <l912dcINN9kj@mizar.usc.edu>, pcaster@mizar.usc.edu 
(Dodger) writes...

>The Dodgers avoided the sweep tonight in grand fashion.
>Kevin Gross pitched a career-best no-hitter tonight
>in beating the Giants 2-0.   
[description of game deleted]
> 
>				BleedsDodgerBlue
> 

Congratulations to Kevin Gross!!!

For the record:

                          PITCHER   SCORE  OPPONENT   H/A      DATE
Last no-hitter
a) by a Dodger pitcher:  Valenzuela  6-0  Cardinals  home  July 29, 1990
b) by a Dodger pitcher 
   against the jints:    Ruess       8-0    jints    away  July 27, 1980  
c) in Dodger Stadium 
   against the jints:    Koufax      8-0    jints    home   May 11, 1963

Koufax and Gross are the *only two* pitchers who have delighted a Dodger Stadium
crowd by pitching no-hit shut-out victories over the hated jints there.  (Any 
other similarity between Koufax and Gross is hard to find.  :-)  )

Leonard Nissim, nDf  
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From: Don Soucy <AB47@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Take Me Out To the Ballgame (Was Zappa etc.)
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:04:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.002021.641@uwm.edu> whir@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Rick Allard) writes:
>
>In article <hx201me.713631948@unidui> you write:
>
>                   "`Take Me Out To The Ball Game' Broadway
>actor-composer Jack Norworth wrote the words to baseball's immortal
>anthem during a trolley trip to a game in 1905.  `By the time I'd got
>to the ballpark, I'd finished it,' Norworth later said.  He took his
>lyrics to Albert von Tilzer, a songwriter, who added the melody.  Nora
>Bayes, a popular actress (who also happened to be Norworth's wife)
>introduced the song to her audience one night in 1906.  It proved to
>be such a hit that 80 years later fans still stand and sing it during
>the 7th-inning stretch."
>
>I'm not sure the details here are correct.  I can't find where I
read it, but one version of the story says that Norworth had never
seen a ball game when he wrote the song.  Even after he wrote it he
never entered a ball park for quite a few years (decades?).  Apparently
on that trolley trip he say a sign about baseball that inspired the
song.
>
>.Don Soucy
>.
From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Save the Giants
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:09:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Aug17.172120.29086@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <DPASSAGE.92Aug17005127@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU> dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich) writes:
>>
>>Sure you can.  It happens all the time.  It's called the stock market.
>
>One crucial difference: in the stock market, you (generally) get dividends for
>investing in stocks.  Since the Giants *lose* money each year, you won't get
>any dividends.

Well, if you bought shares of GIANTS stock back in 1976 at $8 per share,
you could now sell them for $115 a share.  A 12% return per year. Not bad.
I can live with out dividends if the value of the stock goes up by 12%
each year.

Call the Giants hotline:  800 97-GIANTS for Season ticket and other info

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From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The COMPLETE Red Sox Protected List
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:39:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Aug21.194753.14610@meaddata.com> brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) writes:
>The COMPLETE Red Sox Protected List:
>
>Sherm Feller.
>
Wouldn't it be HORRIBLE if one of the expansion teams took Lou Gorman?
(oh please oh please oh please.....)

C Squared
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From: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Reply-To: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:04:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.211301.19019@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
> 
> However, it's still the case that having *any* team around is vastly better
> than having *no* team around.


Sure, but having an NL team around, or even better, having the *Giants* around,
is vastly better than having just any team, notably the A's, around.

Hence, the despair of the Giants fans.


Daniel

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Astacio Shuts Out Mets for Dodger Win
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 06:08:29 GMT

In article <l93oneINNqqk@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

>The Dodgers are showing their look of the future, and
>suddenly, things don't look quite so bad.  Karros
>has all but sewn up Rookie of the Year honors, Rodriquez

Not so fast.  Moises Alou is a rookie as well, and his performance has been
much better than Karros'.  (Although Karros does have the glamour stats that
the mediots see.)  Up to last Monday, these are their stats:

Karros:		.299 OBP, .464 SLG
Alou:		.339 OBP, .467 SLG

And Alou plays a tougher position, and plays it very well.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Padres: Greg Harris returning soon
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:06:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Greg Harris has been pitching great at AAA in rehab, and
will probably rejoin the club after the road trip,
August 22.  Seminara will probably go to the bullpen
or return to AAA.  Harris will probably be a great
roto pickup for the last month of the season & should
help the Padres rotation, which seems pretty solid
these days as it is.  Hurst is hot, Lefferts is ok,
though possibly fading a bit from the number of innings
since he's been in the pen for 9 seasons...
Benes is pitching ok, though not as well as anticipated,
and Deshaies looks better than ever - what a surprise!

Even with Gwynn and Fernandez cooling off, the team is
scoring runs.  Darrin Jackson is perfect in the #5 spot
(except for not walking enough, but all Padres have
that failing other than McGriff...) and the Benito/Walters
catcher and Stillwell/Teufel 2B are ok.

Padres are making a run at it, but Atlanta looks pretty
strong!  The last four games of the season - Padres at
Atlanta for a doubleheader Oct.2  and single games on
Oct 3 and 4.  Hope they mean something!

Dave

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dick Williams as Manager of the Padres?!?!?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:53:20 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug21.223552.27336@u.washington.edu> sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
>Or are you trying to tell me that Williams is still his magic self and
>the Mariners are just a hopeless case? 8-(

Its not Williams fault, but boy did the Mariners pitching go south in
ahurry or what. 2 years ago at this time Larussa was calling Seattle
the team to watch in the future because of their great young pitching
staff. Hanson got hurt, so did a couple of others, Swift and Jackson
are traded, Salkeld is hurt etc. etc., and all of a sudden their pitching
is terrible.                     

was this poor trading or simply bad luck ?





Russ Smith
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From: todd@numep2.phys.nwu.edu (NUMEP)
Subject: Re: Village Voice Trivia Quiz 1-10
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.065144.14404@panix.com>, wlarkin@panix.com (Ward Larkin) writes...
>The following appeared in the August 18, 1992 issue
>of the Village Voice.
> 
>"Can't Anybody Here Take This Quiz?"
> 
>Baseball ... the perfect game, the game of men at
> 
>3.  After the Wade Boggs--Margo Adams affair,
>    what did David Letterman say Bogg's batting
>    average was?
> 
Oh-69?


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From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: Catch Indian Fever (WAS: Re: MLB Standings...)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 13 Aug 1992 09:24 EST  

In article <1992Aug12.162642.12908@cis.ohio-state.edu>, 
     atchison@lagoon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes...

>In article <16ba0cINNoof@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu 
>     (Joseph Hernandez) writes:

>>        MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL STANDINGS FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 12, 1992
>>		     Won   Lost   Pct.    GB   Last 10   Streak   Home   Road
>>AMERICAN EAST [...]
>>Boston Red Sox        52    60    .464  13.5      4-6    Lost 3  35-24  17-36
>>Cleveland Indians     51    62    .451  15.0     z7-3     Won 2  28-30  23-32

>At last!  Outta 7th!  In the immortal words of Marv Albert, 
>" Y   Y EEEEE  SSSS   ! "
>   Y Y  E     S       !
>    Y   EEEE   SSS    !
>    Y   E         S    
>    Y   EEEEE SSSS    !
>Seven, count 'em, seven teams are worse than the Tribe!  And all on the way
>down in their last 10, except for the streakin' Wahoo's.  Look out Tigers,
>that 4th place pennant is ours!

Now, now, mustn't get too excited yet.  We must also try to avoid setting
our sights too low.  I am not interested simply in avoiding the cellar -
I want REVENGE.  Two to three years of dynasty and nothing less would make
me happy.

Although...to finish ahead of the Red Sox this year would be nice.  To see
a pair of very vocal Red Sox fans/Indians flamers in this newsgroup finally
silenced - nawww, we won't see that.  But we may finish ahead of them anyway.

And don't forget about the Cleveland Sports Mailing List, where the Red Sox
games are being dissected.  E-mail to Rick Kowicki, aj755@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
gets you in.

:-)

RG

"I don't know how [the Indians] lose.  I really don't."  -  John Smiley
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From: mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton)
Subject: Re: Clemens wins his fourteenth!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:11:47 GMT

Ryan Robbins writes:
>And for Clemens to win 20 games this year, and his chances are still
>very good, it will be quite a feat, considering the Sox' dismal
>season. Think of how many more wins he would have if the hitting was
>there.

This may be overstating it a bit.  Clemens's Support-Neutral Record
is 14-6 (meaning you'd expect him to be 14-6 if he'd had league-average
support from his offense and bullpen).  His real record, 14-7, isn't
very far off.  The problem isn't that Clemens deserves more than 14
wins.  The problem is that some of his competitors -- Morris, Brown,
McDowell, Tapani, Gullickson -- probably deserve quite a bit *less*
than they have.

>[stuff about Clemens deserving the Cy Young]

No question he's *the* man to beat for the AL Cy.  Right now, he and
Appier are the best candidates

-Michael
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Last-place Cy Young
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:22:11 GMT

In article <1137.2a8ba9c3@atlas.nafb.trw.com> dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:

>Has the Cy Young Award ever been awarded to a pitcher on a last place team?

Yes. I'm sure it has happened more than once, but the most
memorable time was in 1972 when Steve Carlton won the
Cy Young for going 27-10 on a Phillies team that only
won 59 games. Quite an amazing performance --- he had
a 1.98 ERA, 310 strikeouts, and 8 shutouts to go along
with 45% of his teams victories that season.



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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young Update
Keywords: eat more MVP moose
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:31:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Aug19.213155.28560
Organization: The Hosequarium South

In article <1992Aug19.183127.10383@honte.uleth.ca>, savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy) writes:
|> 
|> > In article <1992Aug19.163607.4838@news.stolaf.edu>, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
|> 
|> >The Cy is the award for the pitchers, the MVP should be the award for the 
|> >players...
|> 

ok, ok, ok...I give up.  I say, that IFF Clemens continues his current streak:

Cy Young: Clemens
MVP: Eck
     I mean, hell, the A's are 40something and zero in games that he shuts 
     down.  He doesn't let you walk or hit too many taters.  Mr. Consistent.
     Without him, I doubt the A's would be so dominant.

I can't come up with any ALer that means so much to his team AND is on
a winning/contending team.  

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From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies/Orioles Trade(Scarsone/Bell)
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:50:38 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee") writes:

->Oh, bull and/or oney.  The trade of Eddie Murray cleared the way for Randy
->Milligan, who played better than Murray in '89, almost as good in '90, and
->better in '91.  Guess who's playing better in '92.  Now take a wild guess and
->tell me who got paid more. How much more? Think it was worth it?  Didn't thin
->so.  I'd rather have had Ken Hill, but the Murray trade was a pure case of
->addition by subtraction. The play of Phil Bradley and Brian Holton was gravy.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now this makes perfect sense, trading something for nothing.  I suppose
you think Tettleton for Jeff Robinson was a great trade too.  After
all, it gave Hoiles an opportunity.  The next time Roland Hemond, super
genius, comes up with any great trade ideas, I hope he can get a 2nd
baseman out of it.

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: What's a cycle?
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:33:02 GMT
Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Lethbridge


> jvariyam@ada.stat.uga.edu (jayachandran n variyam) writes:

>  b) What are the features of a knuckle ball and change-up in
>     terms of the trajectory?

Hmmm. Maybe I was wrong in my explanation of a change-up (I'm sure a
net-pitcher will be correcting me momentarily if I am). Is there a name
for a pitch that is a slow-fastball? For instance, when a pitcher is said
to be "good at changing speeds" it means he can throw fastballs at different
speeds without any change in mechanics, so the batter cannot detect a change
in speed until it's too late. Maybe that is what a change-up is. I don't 
think so, but I'll offer that up as an option.

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From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Re: Protected Lists
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
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Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:52:29 GMT
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In article <1992Aug19.151933.6622@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) writes...
> 
>On another note: I read yesterday that the Marlins were warning other teams
>that "expensive older players" may be taken by them, if they were not
>protected.  Personally, I think this is a bluff so that some teams will
>protect guys like Bonilla and Murray instead of prospects.  It would be 
>interesting to see the Marlins take an old, over-paid player though.

	I think picking up some older players (if left unprotected)
might be a good move.  Of couse I saaid older players, not OLD players.
Bonilla is 29 if I remember correctly.  He should have a number of good
years left.  He's expensive but the added attraction of a "star" on the
team should cover that.

	Murray, at 34-35 if <i remember right, is both too old and too
expensive.

Dave
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