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From: librarian@iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu (InterWorks librarian)
Subject: Re: X Windows on 9000/710
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:45:00 GMT
Organization: International HP Workstation users' group (InterWorks)

The question of what HP should provide as part of their standard OS 
distribution is probably going to have more than one answer depending
on how many people you ask. It seems obvious that HP is in the business
of making money, and most often takes the course of trying to please the
users with the most money. The users, in turn, pay their money for 
technology they need to do their own work. When it works right, it is 
a symbiotic relationship.

In my dealings with HP personnel (and Apollo personnel before that), it 
also seems clear that they look to the "user community" for expressions
of common interest. If enough users can voice a common concern, it may
be viewed in the corporate interest to listen (and allocate rescoures,
etc.) to address the problem. 

On a good day, posting msgs to comp.sys.hp may reach some of the relevant
people at HP. If those HP people perceive that the issue affects a critical
number of users, something may get done, although you aren't likely to see
any commitments made. If USENET was all we had, I think we should consider
how to be more organized in presenting a unified voice (this has been done 
effectively on comp.sys.apollo). As an alternative, user groups (either
general or special interest) can act effectively in an advocacy role.

In New Orleans, the issue of X11 distribution by HP received considerable
attention in the InterWorks "engineering directions" session, which also
addressed many other user issues. The user complaints/suggestions made in
this session are turned over to a specific group of people within HP who
are chartered to deal with them. The history of this interaction between
InterWorks and HP/APOLLO  indicates that HP takes the output from the 
massed users seriously. Solutions of some form are almost universally
made available in due course..

Just my $0.02 worth..

Dave Shaw
InterWorks librarian
From: jp107@cus.cam.ac.uk (Jon Peatfield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: X11R5 server SLOW, on 705 with GRX + xterm bug
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:15:18 GMT
	<1992Sep15.022629.12018@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<HARDY.92Sep14213445@golem.ps.uci.edu>
Distribution: comp
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

Perhaps I want to make use of features which are only present in
X11R5, like the scalable fonts.  Perhaps I would like to be able to
have all the machines here running the same release of X11, and since
I can get R5 running on all the rest, the HP is the odd one out.
Perhaps I'd like to have a server with most of the known bugs fixed,
rather than have to wait for a new OS release.  Perhaps I don't want
the bloated HP server, with all the HP extentions which I don't want
or need.  Perhaps I'd like to see a supposedly OPEN systems company
actually telling people how to drive the hardware of the machines we
bought.  Perhaps I'm trying to wind you all up.

At least the code isn't as "interesting" as the R3 server for s300
machines...

R5 is faster on all the other machines I've used it on, why shouldn't
HPs benefit from that speedup too.

(And not all R5 applications will work on R4 servers.)

-- Jon
--
Jon Peatfield, Computer Officer, the DAMTP, University of Cambridge
Telephone: (+44 223) 33-7852     Mail: J.S.Peatfield@amtp.cam.ac.uk

I'm an international arms dealer.  You can be one too.  Ask me how!
From: ctc0@gte.com (CT Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Problem with new Sept. 1992 LaserROM CD
Keywords: LasserRom, CD
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:52:48 GMT
Reply-To: ctc0@gte.com
Followup-To: ctc0@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA

Hi,

I am having trouble using my just arrived September 1992 HP LaserROM
compact disc. The problem is when I tried to select Databases, I 
always got "Failed to open database selection". 

I didn't have any problem using my December 1991 LaserROM compact disc.
The new CD did not come with any instructions. I assumed that replacing
the old one should do it. And I was able to get a list of databases
from the new CD. But why I couldn't seclect databases? Am I missing 
someting? Or I have a bad CD.

Chin-tien Chen, ctchen@gte.com, 617-466-2138
GTE Labs, Inc.
40 Sylvan Rd., Waltham, MA 02254
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From: hagan@ee.ualberta.ca (Daniel Hagan)
Subject: upgrading of memory on HP730
Reply-To: hagan@ee.ualberta.ca (Daniel Hagan)
Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:50:59 GMT

 I would like if anyone has had any experiences with upgrading the memory of an HP730 from third party sources. How does the memory from HP differ from the meory from third party sources?
	Thanks
		Daniel (hagan@bode.ee.ualberta.ca) 129.128.16.96
From: jpena@foo (Javier Pena)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: gethostid problem
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:39:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pencom Software

Hola Amigos,
	I am porting a program for the Sun to the HP, and this program  
uses the gethostid system call. This system call is not included in any of  
the header files in /usr/include but it's archived in the libc.a library.  
I included the prototype of the system call in the file and compiles OK. A  
simple test file looks as follows.

#include <stdio.h>
int gethostid(void);
main()
{
        printf("id = %i\n", gethostid());
        return 0;
}

When I ran the program I got a Bad system call (core dumped) message. If  
I'm doing something stupid ao If there is any other system call for the HP  
that does the job of gethostid please let me know ASAP.

PS: I am using an HP 9000/705 with HP-UX A.08.07 A
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From: ajv@xhost92.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: panic at login
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:39:48 GMT

mcm@gorgon.unx.sas.com (Mike Mitchell) writes:

>We're seeing some of our machines panic with 'grow: no stack region' when
>people first login.  The crash dumps always say 'vuesession' was the process
>executing when the machine crashed.

And if an HP'er knows how a process ended up without a stack region,
I, for one, would LOVE to know how it happened!

Sol's gone... :-(  Grace?  Ed?  Drew? :-)

					TIA,
					Andy Valencia
From: bek@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Brian Krelle)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:12:14 GMT
Subject: Re: HP EISA/Ethernet Adaptor Info
Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, white@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Eric White) writes:

    I've heard that HP has an EISA Ethernet card that is supported
    with SCO drivers under SCO v.3.2.4/ODT v2.0.  Can anyone
    verify this information?

    If this card exists, does anyone know its model/product number
    and price?

The short answer is YES.  

The HP 27248A EISA LAN Adapter/32 is a SCO supported adapter on UNIX and
ODT operating systems (i.e.  UNIX 3.2.2, ODT 1.x, UNIX 3.2.4, and ODT 2.0).
Its driver is on both the LLI 3.0 and LLI 3.1 Driver diskettes from SCO.

Its current list price is $695.00 but street prices are lower.

I have it loaded and running under all the above.

Brian
From: mjo@snclib.snc.edu (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Is there a decent mail utility for HP700?
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:30:23 GMT
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@snclib.snc.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: :noitazinagrO

In article <3585@ra.nrl.navy.mil> atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) writes:
:  I have also explored Zmail.  If I can figure out how to purchase a
:copy before the end of the fiscal year, I'll be using Zmail.  It isn't
:cheap, but it is quite nice.

There is a Zmail-Lite product on the horizone from Z-Code software
that you may wish to inquire about.

-- 
Mike O'Connor
"The NNTP Administrator"
<mjo@snclib.snc.edu>
From: jsm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Marvin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:52:16 GMT
Subject: Re: memory-mapped I/O
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth) writes:

> In article <1992Sep11.161608.7976@news.eng.convex.com> pestep@convex.com (Pat Estep) writes:
> |Does HP-UX support memory mapped I/O?
> |
> |If no, will version 9.0?
> |
> |Thanks in advance
> 
> Assuming you mean mapped files and not memory mapped I/O, HP said yesterday
> to me that they intended to include them on 9.0, but it could be pulled at
> any time.  In other words, they don't know and won't guess.
> This is according to an RC engineer from the 'engineer pool', so ...

Memory mapped files will be there in 9.0 on Series 300, 400 & 700. They
will not be supported in 9.0 for Series 800, but the intention is for them
to be supported on Series 800 in a later release. The "it could be pulled
at any time" is HP speak for "we aren't making any commitments at this time".

	John Marvin
	jsm@fc.hp.com
From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:27:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Transparent windows
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, tghe337@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it writes:

> 
> Looking for overlay transparent windows (8 / 24 bits depth ) over 24 bits deep widgets;	
> Environment:X11 R 4, Motif 1.1, HP UX , CRX 24 adapter

Take a look at the "Starbase Graphics Techniques" manual.
In "Chapter 22  Using Starbase with the X Window System"
there is a description of the "SERVER_OVERLAY_VISUALS property"
in the section "Guidelines for Portability".

This property indicates any overlay visuals that are available on a
server and how a transparent color can be achieved (via X or starbase).

On the CRX24 display the default visual is in the 8 bit overlay planes,
additional visuals support 24 bit directcolor and 8 bit pseudocolor modes
in the image planes.  The transparent color for the overlay planes is
fixed at index 255.  This is what the SERVER_OVERLAY_VISUALS property
will indicate.

If you have the starbase demos fileset installed you can take a look at
/usr/lib/starbase/demos/SBUTILS/wsutils.c to find an example of how this
property can be examined and the results applied.

--
Howard Stroyan                                         
Hewlett-Packard                                        hstroyan@fc.hp.com
User Interface Technology Division                     
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: lclawson@ws17.ips.iacd.honeywell.com (Larry Clawson)
Subject: Re: Any way around the "holding" of swap space?
Reply-To: lclawson@ips.iacd.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell Industrial Automation and Control
Distribution: comp.sys.hp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:07:01 GMT

|> 
|> Are you sure this is happening?  In HP-UX 8.0, text is normally never allocated
|> swap at all; it is paged directly from the executable file image.  The swap
|> disappearance you are observing is more likely from the data/bss segments of
|> shared libraries the program is linked with.
|> 
|> --------------
|> Marc Sabatella (marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com)
|> Disclaimers:
|> 	2 + 2 = 3, for suitably small values of 2
|> 	Bill (H.) and Dave (P.) may not always agree with me


Along these same lines, is there any way to make the text swap??? If the
executable file is across a network the time to retieve it is more than
the time saved by not writting the text to swap.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: craig@sequent.com (Craig Walker)
Subject: Surplus HP-150A
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:19:39 GMT

I have an HP-150A with dual floppy drives, a printer, and several manuals
and sets of software.  I would be willing to sell it cheap or even 
donate it.  Let me know if you are interested or have any suggestions.
Thanks.
From: mbheprg@meehpa01.ee.man.ac.uk (Raju Gurung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: xwd of a motif widget window
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:35:24 GMT
Reply-To: mbheprg@meehpa01.ee.man.ac.uk (Raju Gurung)
Organization: Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Manchester

Hi Netters,
	I'm having problems doing xwdump of a window within a motif application
program. The program goes something like this
	
	        Widget xwdump;
		int winnum;
		char winid[10];

		winnum =  XtWindow(xwdump);
		
		sprintf(winid,"%d",minnum); /* to convert int into char string */
		execlp("xwd","xwd","-id",winid,"-out","out.xwd",(char *)0);
		           
the xwd gives an error as follows:
             X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
             Major opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GetWindowAttributes)
             Resource id in failed request:  0x33be198
             Serial number of failed request:  7
             Current serial number in output stream:  7


but if I note the value of winnum, and type xwd -id winnum -out xwd.out 
on the command line, it works fine. 

		Any idea what I'm doing wrong ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: alex@opal.idbsu.edu (Alex Feldman)
Subject: Re: HP 400 to HP 700 migration issues.
Organization: Boise State University Math Dept.
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:00:15

>>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:58:12 GMT, mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly) said:

In article <7371307@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly) writes:

Mike> The last portability guide (for 8.0) is part number B1864-90006, edition
Mike> 0191.  I think this is the latest available one.  Another revision will
Mike> be made to support the 9.0 release when that occurs.

Mike> Mike McNelly
Mike> mike@fc.hp.com
Mike> (Not a spokesperson for anyone but myself)

But for heaven's sake, don't buy it.  It is on lasrrom.  If you don't
have laserrom, spend the money on that instead.  It is really a great
tool. 
--
	--alex			alex@math.idbsu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Wong Siu To)
Subject: Pls help: HP Disk Array vs SDS
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:23:43 GMT

Hi all,

I'm now setting up a campus email system which requires a large spool
directory (/usr/mail), about 4 - 5 GB.  Our local HP support suggests 
that we can use the Disk Array solution (hardware) which provides data
protection, recovery, and disk striping across several disks.  We wonder
whether the filesystem size limit of 2 GB is a problem, but our HP
support said that that should be okay.  We then buy a Disk Array (6000
series) which consists
of 5 x 1.3GB disks.  When we received the manual, we sure that it can't
overcome the 2GB fs limit !! :(  "Fortunately", we found that there's a
command "sdsadmin" which can create filesystems with max. size of 4GB.
It implements software disk striping, with the help of separate disks of
similar disk types.
We thus use the **logical** disks of the Disk Array in the sdsadmin
command and wish to create a filesystem of 4GB.  However, it fails with
the error message "....disk type hp_C2425D_noreserve not found" (I
forget the exact wordings ...).  It seems that it searches the
/etc/disktab before setting up the disk array.  I think there's no disk
information entry in /etc/disktab for the logical unit of a hardware
Disk Array.

Would anyone pls advise how can I solve this problem, and if there's any
"incompatability" between hardware Disk Array and Software Disk Striping
(SDS) ?

Thanks in advance !

Regards,

St Wong
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Re: How man MB/GB am I backing up?
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:50:40 GMT

After talking with the HP response center, it appears that there is no
easy way to get this information from fbackup/frecover.  It doesn't look
like it is going to be a feature of HP-UX 9.0 at this point since the
work on that is all but done, however I did find out that there is an SR
(#1653026310) for this feature.  Some people have used awk scripts or du
to get the numbers off directory listings, however I know from wc -l on
the index file that I've backed up more than 180,000 files on various
file systems and machines.  I'm not going to invoke awk/ll/du that many
times to find out the tape usage!

Perhaps HP will put this feature in fbackup/frecover if enough people
scream.  Here's you chance.  Write down the SR number and let them know
you want to know how full your tape is/was.

NOTE: If you don't have the latest patch to fbackup/frecover you should
get it.  Your backups/archives may not be safe if written with an old
version!  Use the what command on /etc/fbackup and /etc/frecover to make
sure they are 70.26.  My /etc/fbackup was, but /etc/frecover was still
at 66.18.1.31.  Don't ask me how they got that way, but frecover had a
date NEWER than fbackup.
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "It's my job to help
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      but I don't have to like it."
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Dr. Crusher, "I, Borg"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gordon@madmax.uwaterloo.ca (Gordon R. Strachan)
Subject: Re: Can "mt" commands be using on 1/4" Cartrdige tape on HP400's w/HP-UX8.0?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:32:40 GMT

In article <BuKqqt.KMH@fc.hp.com> rjn@FC.HP.COM writes:
>alek@spatial.com (Alek O. Komarnitsky) writes:
>
>The "mt" command does not work with the 9144A, 9145A, 35401A and similar
>HP-IB CS/80 tape drives because they are not treated like classical
>serial-access devices.  These drives are actually block-rewritable random-
>access devices - very slow disks you might say.
>

I always called them a tape drive with delusions of grandeur :-)

They are pretty slow (even for tape drives) but I will admit that they are
reliable and I sure wish the DAT drives had its random read/write capabilities.

Gordon
>
>Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
>Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
>                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.admin,ctp.it
From: jmay@ctp.com (Jason May)
Subject: Socket lock-up problem? (HP 9000/847, HPUX8.02)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:57:39 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners


We recently were victims of a strange hang situation on our 9000/847.  One
of our users had a process apparently go malloc-berserk, causing heavy
disk swapping and slowing the whole system to a crawl.  However, after
the rogue process was killed, the machine didn't return to normal.
CPU, disk, and memory utilitization (as displayed by HP's Glance tool)
dropped back to low levels, but the load average stayed up at around 9.
Regular UNIX commands (ls, cc, etc.) worked fine, but it became
impossible to launch any X processes; they'd just hang indefinitely.
No error messages were generated.  Established connections to our
Sybase database continued to function fine, but no further connections
were accepted; such connection attempts would also hang.  After rebooting
everything was fine.

Perhaps all socket connection attempts were being denied?  I've never
seen this sort of thing happen before.  If anyone has witnessed this
kind of problem, I'd appreciate any information.

Thanks,
Jason

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From: lampi@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Wren7 drives on HP9000/817??
Summary: Works for me
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:34:43 GMT
Organization: R Squared, Redmond, WA (206) 883-3116

In article <1992Sep9.113017.29711@hparc0.aus.hp.com> davidb@hpuadla.aus.hp.com (David Booth) writes:
>Martin Renters (martin@innovus.com) wrote:
>: We've recently acquired a Wren 7 disk (1.2G Seagate ST41200N/IMPRIMIS 94601-15)
>: drive and it works wonderfully on the 300s and 700s, but the 817 we
>: have doesn't want to write to it (well, at least not *most* of the time).
>: I have managed to mediainit it (no problems) and fsck a filesystem created
>: on a 720, but when I try to newfs it on the 817 I get:
>: 	write error: 1013774
>: 	wtfs: Invalid Argument
>: 
>I'm amazed you managed to get it to work this much. The s800 disc driver does
>a device ident on the disc on the first-access-after-powerup. It then uses
>this to learn the section size table from a "precanned" data table hard-coded in
>the disc driver.
>No entry == no disc functionality. 
>Naturally HP only insert entries for HP disc drives. Your out-of-luck with
>your WREN drive on the s800 series.
>
>You should be able to attach the drive to an s700, then NFS mount it to
>the s800. (Ignoring the NFS irks and quirks of operation, as compared to
>direct connect disc).
>
It is possible to use the Wren 7 on the 817 under 8.0 or later, and it is
possible to partition this drive (within some restrictions) into multiple
data and swap areas. I've done this with other non-HP drives quite
successfully.

At the most basic level you should reference the device file/partition
cLUd0s2, where 'LU' is the logical unit (from the ioscan -f command), 
and 's2' refers to the second partition;
well, in HP notation, the entire disk drive. Newfs s2, mount it & away
you go.

(Personally, I use disksecn to define the sections and create the disktab
entry.)

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