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From: 93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright)
Subject: Ultimate in KY? (or PA or NC)
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Williams College
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:34:52 GMT

Hi,
I'm in the process of applying to med schools and I was wondering if there
were Ultimate teams at any of the schools I'm looking at. (funny - the
admissions officers didn't seem to know ...)

Are there teams at

U of Louisville
U of Kentucky
U of Michigan
Penn
Duke
?

Thanks,
Andrew
93asw@williams.edu

Jellybirdbigbangboom
From: chrisf@jna.com.au (Chris Ford)
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:38:11 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Dirty tricks (or would these just be "stupid tricks"?)

> Are these legal?
> 
> 1)  The offense throws a long bomb, high and floaty (similar to many of my 
> hucks).  The defense gets several people down under it, including a big, burly 
> person, and a small creature.  The big player lifts the little one into the air 
> (perhaps on large one's shoulders) where he/she "towers" over every one, and 
> grabs the disc.  

I can't see that it is illegal but I would sure spit the dummy about SOTG.


> 2)  Science major designs these super new cleats that are spring-loaded.  Same 
> scenario as #1, but magic words or some other activator propels the player 10 
> to 15 feet in the air, well above even, say, Dennis Cribber, where the player 
> casually snags the B.  The springs are super soft, and if the player lands on 
> someone on the way down, the springs actually have therapeutic qualities.

Assuming they have no exposed metal they're legal, but again in my book the
guy (no sexism intended) is a jerk.


> 3)  Player (yet another science major) creates an irresistible potion that 
> distracts the defender to the point where he/she can't effectively play 
> defense.  When queried about what happened after the point by a teammate, 
> he/she responds with:  "well, I was somehow distracted, but I'll tell you, it 
> was the most fun I've had in a long time!", leaving the teammate thinking 
> "well, sounds like the S.O.T.F. [sic] wasn't violated...".


How's this : "Picks: No player may establish a position, or move in such a
manner, so as to obstruct the movement of any player on the opposing team."

The guy must have moved to use his potion, and the the other guy can't move ...


NB: All comments on rules based on the 1992 WFDF rules.

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From: jpj@cs.hut.fi (Juha Jalovaara)
Subject: WUCC 1993
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc
Keywords: world championships, ultimate, clubs
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:21:14 GMT


Press release:


WFDF Board awards the 1993 WFDF World Ultimate Club Championship
franchise to the University of Wisconsin - Madison Ultimate Frisbee
Club!

Out of the potential European sites Amsterdam pulled out three weeks
ago due to accomodation problems, and Berlin and Vichy (France)
were not able to come up with definite bids at such short notice.

In making the decision the Board was well aware of the fact that
European teams have travelled to Toronto last year and Tokyo this
summer.  It was felt, however, that the bid from Madison was the
most secure and that extending the deadline further might endanger
the whole tournament.

The WFDF Board consists of the following individuals:

	Rob Rauch, chair (U.S.)
	Dan Roddick (U.S.)
	Seppo Nieminen (FIN)
	Johan Lindgren (SWE)
	Fumio Morooka (JPN)
	Tami Pellicane (U.S.)
	+ myself (FIN)
	
The tournament will take place in Madison, Wisconsin and run from
July 25th to August 1st.

Official invitations will go out to National Associations within
a couple of weeks and the Associations will publish/forward them.

-- Juha Jalovaara, WFDF Ultimate Committee Steering Committee (chair)
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: East/NorthEast sectionals
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

I don't have much info other than who advanced, maybe someone else can
post game descriptions and stuff.

1) Commonwealth (known as Commies)
2) Mighty Tired
3) Area B
4) Red Tide
5) Boston Kremes

Anybody know how the other northeast sectionals went?

---
UPA Masters Team: Red Menace		Chuckie B.
BACUL Team: 	  RADial ACTive 	Sun Microsystems/SunSoft Inc. BDS
Boston Area Corporate Ultimate League 	chuck.brunson@East.Sun.COM
 You're NEVER too old to play! 		Work Phn. (508)671-0527
From: socolow@math.rutgers.edu (Paul Socolow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: NJ Sectionals
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:55:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The results of the one-day round robin NJ Sectionals:
1. No Passing Zone  5-0
2. Princeton        3-2
3. Man O' War       3-2
4. Cumberland Blues 2-3
5. Rutgers          2-3
6. Drew             0-5

I'm not exactly sure about the records (there are one or two games I
might have gotten backwards), but the order of finish is correct.
 
Paul Socolow
From: lewis@sparky.med.ecu.edu (Lewis Hoffmann)
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:33:43 GMT
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Distribution: world
Subject: DISC GOLF COURSE


	I'm interested in putting together a sales pitch for a disc golf course.
I'd like to correspond with anyone who has successfully won over the powers-that
-be to install a municipal/county golf course. Where do I start?

p.s. to Kurt Kanaskie- I'd be very interested in your perspective-what makes
disc golf attractive to recreation officials? Could you post me on your progress
???
thanks,
lewis
From: svanvaer@ulb.ac.be (JC DUPIN)
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:39:16 GMT
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Subject: DEADLINE EXTENSION WUCC93

 Hi wind's masters

We would like to study the feasability of setting up the WUCC '93
in Belgium, middle of Europe. We need 15 days to investigate with
WFDF requirements. We know WFDF board decided approximatively 1
week ago to give to Madison Ultimate Frisbee Club the privilege
to organize this event.
We organized the European Indoor Clubs Championships 2 years ago
without any problem.

Interested ?

We won't be (completely) disappointed if we receive negative
response but we would know events to set up and their deadline
and requirements.
Thanx in advance
J-FUNK-C


Jean-Charles DUPIN
svanvaer@ulb.ac.be (JC DUPIN)
fax: +32.2.650.31.26
5, rue J. Robie  bte8
1060 BRUSSELS  BELGIUM
From: am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Samuel McDiarmid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: dirty tricks
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:47:08 GMT
	<1992Oct9.031935.12292@infonode.ingr.com>
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

How about when chasing a disk down the field  with your defender right
behind you & you think the catch is iffy with him/her there, stop dead
just short of where you need to be, have them collide with you.  This
slows them down, pushes you foreward to where you need to be, and they
foul you in the process b/c they didn't avoud you.  (just a little
ASORG.)


								-A
From: colin@agincourt.bsd.uchicago.edu (& Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Dirty tricks (or would these just be "stupid tricks"?)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:31:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Oct15.153115.1834
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <93RPG.92Oct14155507@bullfrog.world> 93rpg@bullfrog.world  
(Robert van Gent) writes:
> 
> Here's another dirty trick which is pretty clearly not for use in games
> but is fun to try once in a while during practice:
> 
> You have the disc and the stall count is getting pretty high.  Instead
> of making a risky throw and turning it over, simply grab the disc with
> both hands, and bounce it off of the defender's head.  If you completely
> let go of the disc and then catch it again, they must restart the stall
> count.  The ensuing confusion is fun to watch too.
> 
> Keebler

Hmm, better in my opinion (if you like playing more than arguing) is the  
ol' fake hammer: follow through after not releasing, holding the disk  
behind your mark's shoulder (works especially well if you have a height  
advantage over him), then as he stops counting and turns (hopefully away  
from your arm) to see where your hail Mary went, bring the disk back and  
get off your unmarked throw.
Or for an even greater sense of smug superiority, quickly put the disk in  
your shirt or shorts behind your back so you can put both hands on your  
hips and stare intently at a point in the sky and murmur "Jesus, I don't  
think I've ever seen a disk go that far..." as he turns back to make sure  
he hasn't been had.  Set up the give-and-go for the score while your mark  
turns away again and continues to squint and hold hammy hand to furrowed  
brow in vain.  Keeping a straight face is key.
From: kjoye@uts.amdahl.com (Ken Joye)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Weird play at Hampshire-rules?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:25:13 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In <1992Oct5.182852.1535@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> ziskin@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Daniel C. Ziskin) writes:
>3) cutting so that your defender has to run through the mud puddle.

"mud puddle", what's that?  (drought joke, sorry, I couldn't resist...)

-- 
		Ken Joye          kjoye@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com
[If you think Joe Zemke would let me speak for Amdahl, repeat after me: "NOT!"]
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From: scraig@elipse.mentorg.com (Stuart Craig)
Subject: Western Regionals
Originator: scraig@elipse
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:50:58 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc



Blake Garnand of Rhino Slam asked me to post this for him -- he is heading
to Fort Collins, CO for western regionals this weekend, and he needs to know
the street address of the fields and other facilities that will be used
there.  If anyone out there has this information could you please post it or email it to me at "stuart_craig@mentorg.com"?  (Or, if you are feeling
adventurous, you could try mailing it directly to Blake at
"the_gym@mentorg.com".  In theory, that will show up on the Mac that he
shares with the other trainers here.)

Thanks,
Stu

-- 
Commander: Fire HEAT!                                              Stuart Craig
Gunner: Sabot up!                                      stuart_craig@mentorg.com
Commander: Fire Sabot, load HEAT!            ...!uunet!mentorg.com!stuart_craig
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: krajnatg@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna)
Subject: Re: Rules Question
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:37:21 GMT

ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:

>In article <ld6r8sINNhlf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bharat@shadow.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>>Here's a rule question.  A player on the offensive team
>>is lined up to make a pass.  Another, taller, player on
>>the defensive team comes running in and they both jump
>>at the same time.  The defensive player *out-jumps* the
>>offensive player and reaches *over his head* and gets
>>the disc, without making any kind of contact whatsoever.

>I presume by "make a pass" you mean "receive a pass".  In that case,
>no contact, no foul. Happens to me all the time -- I wish it were a
>foul. :-)

An interesting thing about this type of play is that when there *is* some
contact, the more the defensive player out-jumps the offensive player, the
less the defender feels the contact is "significant" to the play.

--Tom K.
From: brehob@plantain.cps.msu.edu (Mark W Brehob)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: dirty tricks...
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:00:55 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

When the Defender is guarding you, Jump up as if to catch, and then sprint 
hard to the disc.....

Or the clasic "Guppie play"
On a turn over, all the members of the team fall down and 
squirm like guppies out of water.  (Not the guy with the disc).
Then on a silent count of 3 the whole team gets up and makes their  
breaks....  =)

Mark Brehob
The Hobster
The Hobinator
The Hobular One
The Hobbit of Bree.
From: thomas.taylor@aquila.com (Thomas Taylor) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Great Plains Sectionals
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:46:00 GMT
Distribution: netcomsv
Organization: Aquila BBS - Aurora, IL - 820-8344
Reply-To: thomas.taylor@aquila.com (Thomas Taylor) 

Since my team didn't qualify for the second day, I don't know any more than
the following about the IL/IN sectionals held in Rockford, IL:

1. Windy City
2. Fork Boy (Chicago, formerly Check)
3. Fishbelly (Chicago)
4. Spin-Itch (Rockford)

Last I heard, it was not definite that Spin-Itch would get to Regionals;
they were waiting for numbers from other sections.  We had 13 teams
registered, but Rose-Hulman and Earlham didn't show.  I have to admit that
putting sectionals in the NW corner of IL is not very fair to teams from
the Eastern side if IN, though.  It was particularly disappointing for us
(U Chicago), since it left us with no one to beat. :-(

Game of the weekend:  Ball St's near-upset of Windy City.  Ball St played
excellent disc and capitalized on numerous City errors to actually hold a
threatening 8-6 lead at one point in the last pool game on Saturday. In
their first four games, City had given up a total of four points.  Games
were to 11, win by one.  City pulled back to 8-8, and the two then
exchanged points, with City putting the last one over for an 11-10 victory.

Thw women had three regular teams show up, and since all would advance to
regionals, played a spirit-oriented five team round-robin, with Nemesis
splitting into two savage-seven squads and a pick up team being formed from
those without.  They took on U. Indiana's Calamity Jane and, I belive, U
Ill's women.  My apologies for my woeful ignorance of this aspect of an
excellent weekend.

-tt
---
 . SPEED 1.3c #1048 . ..which reminds me, I forgot to close the blind again.
                                                                                                
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From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Subject: Sectional tallys
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:15:37 GMT

So, now that nearly all the regions have completed their sectionals (I
heard the NY section had to delay until this weekend), who has the
results on numbers of teams competing?  Will the Mid-Atlantic have a
shot at a coveted wild card spot this year?  I don't know about
others, but our regionals (West) are this weekend, and it would be
nice to know beforehand how many teams will qualify for Nationals.
Is anyone with this knowledge reading?  UPA officials?  Eric?

Troy
Seattle Sockeye
troy@u.washington.edu

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From: natsch@ancona.engin.umich.edu (Nathan Schultz)
Subject: Michigan Ultimate
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:32:26 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: `
Originator: natsch@ancona.engin.umich.edu


Can anyone out there explain to me why in the world Michigan is alone
in its section?  
The teams that won berths to regionals are:
 1) Night train
 2) Grand Haven Ultimate

Alas, though we played hard, Gestaltimate finished a remote 3rd...

Nathan Schultz
Gestaltimate (University of Michigan Ultimate Frisbee Club)
natsch@afs.engin.umich.edu
From: Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: masters wild cards
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 16:18:20 -0500

Interesting about the wild card berth.  Out of curiosity, do you have an idea
how many masters teams are competing per region?  
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: dirty tricks
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:45:06 -0500

TGK>There are two "eye fakes" that I've seen work:
TGK>    - Look up suddenly as if tracking a disc heading in your direction.
TGK>      When the defender turns to see what you're looking at, take off
TGK>      and get open.
TGK>    - When you're standing still with a disc thrown to you or just over
TGK>      your head, and the defender is between you and the disc, look bored
TGK>      and disinterested.  Once the disc gets past the defender, look up
TGK>      and catch.  (This assumes no "up" call by the D.)

Hey!  You're giving away tricks that are supposed to be known by Masters
players only!  (We call them "old man" tricks).  Yes, those two have
been in my repretoire for a long time.

Btw, Tom, welcome aboard.  How's Ultimate in Florida these days?

 * SLMR 2.1a * ERROR: LPT1: not found.  Use pencil and paper.

From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Disc Golf Course
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:30:02 -0500

LH> I'm interested in putting together a sales pitch for a disc golf course.
LH>I'd like to correspond with anyone who has successfully won
LH>over the powers-that
LH>-be to install a municipal/county golf course. Where do I start?

I remember (sheesh, something like 10-15 years ago) seeing some report
that someone had published.  Somebody (a consultant?) had counted the
number of people who had used the tennis courts at a park, and how many
had used the disc golf course at that same park.  The golf course had
tons of more use.  Then (I though this was great), the person had
divided the COST by the USE of the facilities.  Since, of course, the
tennis courts cost more than the disc golf course, the "efficiency
measure", or COST PER USE was incredibly, dramatically higher for the
tennis courts than for the disc golf course.

That's about everything I remember about it.

Hopefully, someone here can recall where this came from, and tell us all
how or where to get a copy of this.


 * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a

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From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Canadian Nationals - dates w.r.t. WUCC 1993
Keywords: world championships, ultimate, clubs
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:00:14 GMT

In <1992Oct7.162114.17161@nntp.hut.fi> jpj@cs.hut.fi (Juha Jalovaara) writes:

>WFDF Board awards the 1993 WFDF World Ultimate Club Championship
>franchise to the University of Wisconsin - Madison Ultimate Frisbee
>Club!

>The tournament will take place in Madison, Wisconsin and run from
>July 25th to August 1st.

Canadian Nationals will be from August 5th to 8th. Plan to be in Ottawa
for most of Monday the 9th (don't miss the Sunday night Party). The monday
is a holiday anyways.
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Jersey Sectionals Results and a Question
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:59:24 GMT
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

A player CAN play on an Open division team for sectionals and then play on a
masters team for regionals. The exact quote from page 7 of the Sept UPA news-
letter is:
"Open Masters players may compete at UPA sectionals on any team they wish, but
may NOT compete in the Open Division at Regionals. This is different than last
year when we allowed a certain number of free-agents to come from open regional
teams."

So my understanding is that you can play with whatever team you want at sect-
ionals but then you have to decide whether you want to play in the Open or
Open Masters division before regionals.

---
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BACUL Team: 	  RADial ACTive 	Sun Microsystems/SunSoft Inc. BDS
Boston Area Corporate Ultimate League 	chuck.brunson@East.Sun.COM
 You're NEVER too old to play! 		Work Phn. (508)671-0527
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Rules Question
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:50:10 -0500

BM>Here's a rule question.  A player on the offensive team
BM>is lined up to make a pass.  Another, taller, player on
BM>the defensive team comes running in and they both jump
BM>at the same time.  The defensive player *out-jumps* the
BM>offensive player and reaches *over his head* and gets
BM>the disc, without making any kind of contact whatsoever.

BM>Does this break the rule about control of vertical space?

The "principal of verticality" was written into the rules by Tom
Kennedy, and he modeled it after the international rules of basketball.
So, I suppose checking that source would give us the real answer.  But,
since I don't have that I my disposal, let me guess what I *THINK* it
was supposed to mean:

The principal of verticality means your body has the unimpeded right to
the air immediately above your body.  That means if someone (A) puts his
hand over me (B), and I hit A's hand going to the disc, then the foul is
on B.  *BUT* if B can snatch the disc away from my vertical space before
there is any touching of the two bodies, then there is no violation.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease
From: dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Awful SOTG play...
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:57:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct12.165734.16308
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Someone asked for details about games at the eastern New England sectional,
so here's one.  We (Boston Kremes) were making a comeback late in the
game against Mighty Tired.  Mighty Tired was playing in character, screaming
and complaining about every call, and we were doing our fair share of
counter-complaining.  I will give MT credit, that they were not making
bogus pick and travel calls to slow down our momentum (reminiscent of
New York).  But there was one play that really irked me:  MT went to swing
the disc when "Big" Mike Klugerman got a block and took off for the end 
zone wide open.  George "The Great One" Sigal picked up the disc to throw
to Mike.  It was very clear that Mike was wide open for the huck, so
more than one member of Mighty Tired began yelling "Foul him! Foul him!"

Fortunately, the MT players didn't get to George in time and he got 
the throw off for the score.  I must say, it was one of the clearest
examples of anti-SOTG sentiment I have ever seen.

Dave Nolan
From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Canadian Nationals 1993, pre-announcement
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:21:35 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University


   August 1993
 S  M Tu  W Th  F  S
 1  2  3  4  5  6  7
 8  9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31

The Canadian Nationals for 1993 will be August 5,6,7,8 at the Twin Elms
Rugby Club in Nepean (Ottawa satellite). We have the fields and the club house
for the 4 days. Camping available at the fields, also places reserved in
the residence at Carleton University. Shuttle busses to move people from
the residence to the Rugby Club, which is a little remote. Carleton University
is still 7km from the downtown bars and such. The Rugby Club is a ways out.
All night outdoor party from the 8th to the 9th, at the fields. Showers, a
bar and other facilities are present in the Rugby Club house.

Special events are planned for Sunday, between and during the semi's and
finals. Accuracy throw offs against local CFL players with DISC vs FOOTBALL,
media coverage is booked.

The next organizational meeting is scheduled for November 2nd after which a
preliminary package will be mailed out. An electronic version will be
compiled. Don't make your travel arrangments until you get the preliminary 
package. 

All this is by word and memory only.
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA