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From: tenney@netcom.com (Glenn S. Tenney)
Subject: Re: 1992 only: CA DMV workaround for SSN
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:39:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan04.062704.26556@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>What do they do in the SSN == DLN states if you do not have a social
>security number?

In California, the DMV supervisor said:  If you want a driver's license
OR A STATE IDENTIFICATION CARD you will just have to go and get a
social security card -- period.  No ifs, ands, or buts.   No exceptions.

On a related note...  The U. S. Constitution says (Article IV, Section 2):
"The Citizens of each State shall be entitle to all Privileges and
Immunities of Citizens in the several States."  Since the State's maintain
that driving is a privilege and not a right, then why can't I (residing
in California) just get a driver's license in any State I choose?
If a State requires residency in their State, doesn't that violate the
U. S. Constitution?

Just wondering if there's a way around the problem...



-- 
Glenn Tenney
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From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: 1992 only: CA DMV workaround for SSN
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:16:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom

In article <1993Jan04.222224.7749@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.085058.4717@netcom.com> lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
>>there is grounds for a class-action suit against the state of
>>California for discrimination against foreigners in its
>>granting of the privilege to drive.
>
>"Discrimination against foreigners?"   I have to laugh.  That's not
>forbidden, in fact it is ensconsed in the law in numerous ways.
>We are subject to taxation but given no vote, for starters.
...

Yeah, it sounds silly, but so is this business of demanding SSN.  I can't
think of any way to fight silliness except with more silliness.  I'm open
to any other suggestions.  (My license expires in May.)

Hans Lachman
lachman@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson)
Subject: Re: Name that tune pt II
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:43:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.212839.5219@trl.oz.au> s.mathers@trl.oz.au writes:

>What the world needs now
>is another folk singer
>like I need a hole in my head.

"Teen Angst" by Cracker.
Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 12:20:59 -0500 
From: "Aaron R. Miller" <am49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: CLOSET SALE : live shows, programs and poster
	<1993Jan7.221455.28510@mcc.com>

On 07-Jan-93 in Re: CLOSET SALE : live show..
user Alan McKendree@rowdy.mcc writes:
>In article <C0Ht6u.3B2@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120p993@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Kevin 
>F Hulme) writes:
>>Hello. I have a bunch of stuff I would like to part with. First are a series 
>>of live shows I obtained maybe 5 years ago from some guy in St. Lambert
>>Quebec via mail order. I waqn't to get rid of the master copy I own of each
>>show, since I no longer listen to them. I hence have only one of each show,
>>and will sell them dirt cheap. Here they are:
> 
>Did I miss something?  I thought _selling_ bootlegs was clearly illegal.

they do it in record stores EVERY day.

aaron
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
From: dlg8s@Virginia.EDU (Daniel Lee Garner)
Subject: Re: RELEASE: Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 93-01 (Repost)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:25:40 GMT

Received this update today.
Feb 22  Arcwelder "Pull"
        Mule      "Mule

March 8 Seam "Kernel"
        Tar "Clincher"

March 22 Royal Trux "Royal Trux"
         Pavement "Westing (By Musket and Sextant)"

April 15 Polvo "Today's Active Lifestlyes"

Dan Garner
From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Need fan club address and...
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:22:00 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

A friend of mine's husband is a big Phil Collins/Genesis fan.  She wanted
me to try and find out an address where he can be written (actually, she
wanted *his* address, but I know that's impossible...) and also his
birthdate.  If anyone out there has/knows where I can get this
information, I'd appreciate it if you could e-mail me.  I don't read this
group, so posting it does me no good.

Steve Mansfield                   Junior AlterNet Engineer 
smm@uunet.uu.net                  uunet!smm
From: lehe@lulea.trab.se (Lennart Hedenstr|m)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Phil Lynott Biography- wanted
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:54:25 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
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There's no biohraphy book concerning Philip Lynott or Thin Lizzy.
However, a fanzine "Black Rose - the Thin Lizzy magazine" is
available from Belfast, Northern Ireland. In there you'll find
all useful details and discographies etc. They do back-issues too.
I have no connection with them besides being a satisfied
subscriber. If anyone out there would like the address or so, just
drop me a line.

--
===================>LENNART HEDENSTROM<==========================
		Lennart.Hedenstrom@lulea.trab.se
 Collector of records and live tapes with Gary Moore & Thin Lizzy. 
 I'm willing to trade. Interested? --> e-mail right away !!!
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
From: jdliss@unix.amherst.edu (Jeff Liss)
Subject: Re: RELEASE: Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 93-01 (Repost)
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:15:31 GMT

The Boston Globe announced the release date of the new Sting album
as Feb 23 and the Living Colour album as March 2.

Jeff
From: mrmoore@vaucanson.EBay.Sun.COM (Mike Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.acdc
Subject: Re: Question about Live CD
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:24:35 GMT
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> Back to the new disk.  You gotta like "Sin City".  I could've done without
> "That's the Way I Want My Rock..." and substituted "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to
> Be".  Great song.  Simple, but great.  Well, I guess that's AC/DC....

In this case, you can DIY....

Buy the Highway to Hell Live mini-CD with this cut and three others
that aren't on the 2CD set. 

These live releases are like a cottage industry all by themselves... :-)

Mike



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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Question about Live CD...
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:01:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.152838.5145@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> watcher@coos.dartmouth.edu (Markus A. Laine) writes:
>For some strange reason ($$$$$) the record company released two different
>products, one CD with less songs and two CDs with ALL the songs.  Anyone
>who actually buys the single CD is not really into AC/DC (or has a problem
>with $$$$$).  

...or just doesn't have a CD player. Or is that too unfashionable to admit?

Mike (an ACDC fan with the single CASSETTE of ACDC Live, and proud of it)
From: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.acdc
Subject: Highway to Hell MTV thang
Date: 5 Jan 1993 09:28 PST
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hey I was wondering who won that MTV Highway to Hell contest.

Also, I had a picture of Angus from Guitar magazine or Guitar World, or one
of those magazines.  He was on a full page ad for Gibson USA, when they
put out that SG 'classic' remake in '86 or something, and his nose was pointed 
up in the air.  Did anyone else see those little white flakes in there?
Not that I usually do this, but I thought it was ballsy that they didn't just
airbrush it out!


V-8 Car and tattoos

-tc
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Question about Live CD
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:40:31 CST

In article <199301051900.AA09080@tuna.wang.com> PETER.GORMLEY@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Peter Gormley") writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.105404.1045@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com
>(Jeffrey Neau) writes:
>
>>But if you are going to get one, get the double.  Here's my favorite cuts:
>>
>>   Thunderstruck
>>   Dirty Deeds (Excellent version.  They hold back on the verse and go nuts on
>>                the solo)
>>   Razor's Edge (Better than the studio version... Ga-ga-ga-goo!)
>>   Jailbreak   (Extended moon solo.  Great groove.  One thing I don't like
>>                about this is how Brian screws up the chorus)
>
>Tell me about it! Do you think he just forgot how it goes?...or is Brian
>trying to lend his own interpretation to the song?
>
>               "Nobody's playin' Manilow...nobody's playin' soul!"


"Jailbreak......................had 'bout all I can take!
 Jailbreak......................sixteen years..."  ?????????
"Jailbreak......................get me outta here!
 Jailbreak......................sixteen years..."


What the hell is that??  Then there's Dirty Deeds from the video of the Flick 
tour that was on MTV a while back.  He was making up words to the bridge
after the third chorus.


Back to the new disk.  You gotta like "Sin City".  I could've done without
"That's the Way I Want My Rock..." and substituted "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to
Be".  Great song.  Simple, but great.  Well, I guess that's AC/DC....


Jeff

"I love to play house thought I'd go to a flick,
 Was really stressed out from my kiddie schtick.
 I must've really cracked cuz I thought I'd sit
 In back and Beat It.  Beat It   AAAAHHH!
 
 Beat It...Beat It...Just before I was seated.
 Thought I'd enjoy a movie downtown:
 Raisinettes, pop, and then box the clown." -- Pee Wee Herman sings "Beat It"
From: mcssecgm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.acdc
Subject: Re: Re:Question about Live CD
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:32:36 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <199301051900.AA09080@tuna.wang.com>, PETER.GORMLEY@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Peter Gormley") writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.105404.1045@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com
> (Jeffrey Neau) writes:
> 
>>But if you are going to get one, get the double.  Here's my favorite cuts:
>>
>>   Thunderstruck
>>   Dirty Deeds (Excellent version.  They hold back on the verse and go nuts on
>>                the solo)
>>   Razor's Edge (Better than the studio version... Ga-ga-ga-goo!)
>>   Jailbreak   (Extended moon solo.  Great groove.  One thing I don't like
>>                about this is how Brian screws up the chorus)
> 
> Tell me about it! Do you think he just forgot how it goes?...or is Brian
> trying to lend his own interpretation to the song? That reminds me, anyone
> that owns the 12" single (I think from the Fly on the Wall time period)
> that has Jailbreak live on the b side...does he turn the chorus inside out
> on that one too? Just wondering, I used to own it but got rid of it
> because it was round 13 minutes long and at least have of it was Angus'
> striptease. It's amusing to watch, but not very interesting to just
> listen to. Thankfully, they learned from their mistake and didn't put
> it that way on the new live cd.
> 
>                "Nobody's playin' Manilow...nobody's playin' soul!"
> 

>                                    Peter


Totally agree!!Shake your foundations/Stand up was the 12".
Never listen to it because of the reason stated above.

However the video is structured brilliantly!!
Rip roaring start (Thunderstruck,Shoot to..,BiB,Hell ain't..)
Slight drop during Jailbreak,etc
Great build up to end (DDDDC, Money..,High Voltage, Whole..)
Classic Let there be Rock, finishing with For those..

Excellent stuff, capturing the music as well as the effects.

Hope of another tour containing a completely changed tracks line up
ie Jailbreak has had a good run, turn to classics such as Girls got
Rhythm, Flick of Switch, Touch too much, Have a drink on me, Riff Raff,etc

Colin G Milne
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.acdc
From: PETER.GORMLEY@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Peter Gormley")
Subject: Re:Question about Live CD
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:01:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.105404.1045@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com
(Jeffrey Neau) writes:

>But if you are going to get one, get the double.  Here's my favorite cuts:
>
>   Thunderstruck
>   Dirty Deeds (Excellent version.  They hold back on the verse and go nuts on
>                the solo)
>   Razor's Edge (Better than the studio version... Ga-ga-ga-goo!)
>   Jailbreak   (Extended moon solo.  Great groove.  One thing I don't like
>                about this is how Brian screws up the chorus)

Tell me about it! Do you think he just forgot how it goes?...or is Brian
trying to lend his own interpretation to the song? That reminds me, anyone
that owns the 12" single (I think from the Fly on the Wall time period)
that has Jailbreak live on the b side...does he turn the chorus inside out
on that one too? Just wondering, I used to own it but got rid of it
because it was round 13 minutes long and at least have of it was Angus'
striptease. It's amusing to watch, but not very interesting to just
listen to. Thankfully, they learned from their mistake and didn't put
it that way on the new live cd.

               "Nobody's playin' Manilow...nobody's playin' soul!"

                                   Peter
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.acdc
From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Question about Live CD...
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:54:04 CST

In article <1993Jan2.152838.5145@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> watcher@coos.dartmouth.edu (Markus A. Laine) writes:
>For some strange reason ($$$$$) the record company released two different
>products, one CD with less songs and two CDs with ALL the songs.  Anyone
>who actually buys the single CD is not really into AC/DC (or has a problem
>with $$$$$).  I personally recommend the double CD set.  Oh, while I was in
>Finland this Fall the record stores only sold the double set contained in a
>single CD box; it had both CDs, but unlike in the US, I don't think it 
>contained the poster or the Angus Dollar Bill.  
>
>It's confusing...blame Atlantic Records....
>
>Markus Laine
>watcher@coos.dartmouth.edu

Any clown who is REALLY REALLY into AC/DC is probably going to buy both, just
so they can say that they have all the CD's.

But if you are going to get one, get the double.  Here's my favorite cuts:

   Thunderstruck
   Dirty Deeds (Excellent version.  They hold back on the verse and go nuts on
                the solo)
   Razor's Edge (Better than the studio version... Ga-ga-ga-goo!)
   Jailbreak   (Extended moon solo.  Great groove.  One thing I don't like
                about this is how Brian screws up the chorus)
   Who Made Who (Extended version.  Yow-Wee!)


Get the video too.
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.acdc
Subject: Re: Question about Live CD...
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:22:39 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan4.105404.1045@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.152838.5145@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> watcher@coos.dartmouth.edu (Markus A. Laine) writes:
>>For some strange reason ($$$$$) the record company released two different
>>products, one CD with less songs and two CDs with ALL the songs.  Anyone
>>who actually buys the single CD is not really into AC/DC (or has a problem
>>with $$$$$).  I personally recommend the double CD set.  Oh, while I was in
>>Finland this Fall the record stores only sold the double set contained in a
>>single CD box; it had both CDs, but unlike in the US, I don't think it 
>>contained the poster or the Angus Dollar Bill.  
>>
>>It's confusing...blame Atlantic Records....
>>
>>Markus Laine
>>watcher@coos.dartmouth.edu
>
>Any clown who is REALLY REALLY into AC/DC is probably going to buy both, just
>so they can say that they have all the CD's.
>
>But if you are going to get one, get the double.  Here's my favorite cuts:

  I believe the double-CD is a special US issue, right?  Are there any songs
on the single CD that are not covered by the double-CD package?  Otherwise,
there's not much reason to own the single CD if you can get the double,
other than $$$.

   I don't know about the overall quality though of this new release- it's
nice there are large crowds changing "Angus" in the backround and all, but
sometimes the sound fades in and out and Brian sounds like his voice is
on it's last note during some songs.  I think I like "If you want blood.."
a bit better for a live CD.  Both are good, btw.

  Doug
-- 
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From: bohanl@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Lee Bohan)
Subject: Re: the new live ALBUM
Organization: Aston University
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:25:32 GMT

Buebl Felix (BUEBL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote:
: May I just say that I own the vinyl copy of the new AC/DC live album?
: 
: It exists, collectors.
: (I know a person who bought
: 1 AC/DC live double CD,
: 1 AC/DC live double record and
: 1 AC/DC live vinyl single)
: 
: I hope I didn't tell it already,
: 
: Felix

Does anyone know why they bothered with the Live album on single CD? It seems
to me that that version missed of most of their great songs, and anyone with a
brain would have paid the extra 4 quid or so to get the double CD version
containing the full live set.

	Lee.

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From: kevin@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Kevin Valentine)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.acdc
Subject: Re: Question about Live CD...
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:14:52 GMT
Organization: Physical Chemistry Laboratory, South Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3QZ
Originator: kevin@joule.pcl


In article <b1y=03SLc7F700@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.105404.1045@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan2.152838.5145@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> watcher@coos.dartmouth.edu (Markus A. Laine) writes:
> >>For some strange reason ($$$$$) the record company released two different
> >>products, one CD with less songs and two CDs with ALL the songs.  Anyone
> >>who actually buys the single CD is not really into AC/DC (or has a problem
> >>with $$$$$).  I personally recommend the double CD set.  Oh, while I was in
> >>Finland this Fall the record stores only sold the double set contained in a
> >>single CD box; it had both CDs, but unlike in the US, I don't think it 
> >>contained the poster or the Angus Dollar Bill.  
> >>
> >>It's confusing...blame Atlantic Records....
> >>
> >>Markus Laine
> >>watcher@coos.dartmouth.edu
> >
> >Any clown who is REALLY REALLY into AC/DC is probably going to buy both, just
> >so they can say that they have all the CD's.
> >
> >But if you are going to get one, get the double.  Here's my favorite cuts:
> 
>   I believe the double-CD is a special US issue, right?  Are there any songs
> on the single CD that are not covered by the double-CD package?  Otherwise,
> there's not much reason to own the single CD if you can get the double,
> other than $$$.
> 
>    I don't know about the overall quality though of this new release- it's
> nice there are large crowds changing "Angus" in the backround and all, but
> sometimes the sound fades in and out and Brian sounds like his voice is
> on it's last note during some songs.  I think I like "If you want blood.."
> a bit better for a live CD.  Both are good, btw.
> 
>   Doug
> -- 
>                                                      Doug Fierro
>                                       |\             UTS System Software
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>   \_.______________________| * * * * * * * * */      fierro@uts.amdahl.com
>  __\____                   |=================/       (408)746-7102
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


The double-CD is not a US special release as it is available in the UK ( and
elsewhere according to recent articles).  One complaint about there being two
different formats is that if you have the CD bought you as a present, none ACDC
fans may not know about the double CD and only by the single CD.  This happened to
a friend of mine at Christmas and he was not happy.

KEVIN@UK.AC.OX.PHYSCHEM
-- 
Kevin

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: DDDDC Video...
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:56:41 GMT

In article <92351.230635BKC100@psuvm.psu.edu> BKC100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I saw the video for DDDDC on MTV late the other night... It was basically
>straight from the Donington Live Tape, but also had a lot of VERY old clips
>of Angus from years ago... There was one of him wearing a plastic halo on
>his head, with very short hair... Another had him jamming on what looked to
>be a mountain top... Quite interesting... If you can sit through all the
>other junk, you might catch it... I think that I saw it wedged between
>Madonna and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir... :)
>
I think the shot of Angus with short hair and the halo is from the video of
'Let There Be Rock' which I remember seeing on British TV *many* moons ago
(and it was 'archive' even then...). I could of course be completely wrong.

Mike

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