From: hobbes@den.mmc.com
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: For Sale:  Hercules GraphicStation+2, Xoftware 2.0 X11R4 server, ISC X11 2.0 Development System
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:36:35 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Denver, Colorado

Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:44:39 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Nov5.224439.8162@den.mmc.com>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.other,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.windows.x

Contact:	Stephen Camp
		(303)971-4379 8am-4pm MST (M-F)
		hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (e-mail)

For Sale:								    Current
								Asking      Retail
		Item						 Price	    Price
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1)  Hercules GraphicsStation+2					$400 (US)   $500 w/
	                         					    only 1MB
        TI 34010 cpu running at 60 Mhz                                      VRAM
        1MB VRAM                                                            
    *** 2MB DRAM ***  (that's where the '+2' comes from)                        
    ***	built-in VGA ***
	Resolutions:  1024x768x8 (256 Colors out of 16.7M)
		       800x600x? (I believe 32K or 64K colors)
		       640x480x32(?) (16.7 Million Colors)
		       548x400   (NSC PAL resolution?)

	Windows 3.1 drivers included as well as Autocad 10/11
	ADI drivers.  (Please note:  the latest drivers are 
	available directly from Hercules for a nominal fee,
	OR via modem from Hercules BBS.)  All users manuals,
	utility disks, TIGA disks are included.  I'll also
	throw in the Texas Instruments TIGA DDK (Driver
	Development Kit) 2.05.  (Note:  these are available
	free from TI.)


2)  AGElogic Xoftware 2.0					$400 (US)    $595
     (for Interactive Unix 2.2 or 3.0)        
	                                
        This is an X11R4 server made specifically for  
	graphics boards using either TI 34010 or 34020 
	cpu's.  The Interactive X11 Runtime system is  
        still required to run X11.  This is only the                   
        server.                                                                



3)  Interactive X11 2.0 Development System			$300 (US)    $795+

	To the best of my knowledge, this is the latest 
	X11 Development System released by Interactive 
	(SunSoft).  It is X11R4.  I will give you the 
	original documentation and diskettes so that you
	can purchase future upgrades from SunSoft.

	This includes the X11 Runtime as well as all
	necessary files (headers, libraries, etc) to do
	X11 development work.  Please note:  I got ISC
	X11 2.0 by upgrading from previous releases, and
	as such, this package DOES NOT include Motif.
	It does include a pile of utilities as well as
	twm, awm, uwm, etc.  X11 drivers for EGA, VGA, 
	and SVGA are included.

	You may need ISC Unix 3.0 for this.  Don't know if
	it will work with 2.2.  I purchased the upgrade
	when I went from 2.2 -> 3.0 and I never had reason
	to go back to 2.2.

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I will sell the above as packages at the following reduced amounts:

		PACKAGE  	PRICE

		------------------------

		1 + 2		$600 (US)

		2 + 3		$500 (US)

		1 + 3	Doesn't do you any good without 2), unless 
			you want X11 using VGA built into the 
			GraphicStation board (which is slow).

		1 + 2 + 3	$800 (US)

NOTES:
A)  I will pay shipping within the US via UPS ground.  If you want 2nd Day Air,
	we can discuss splitting the cost.  (If 2nd Day Air is not outrageous,
	I may be willing to pick that up.)

B)  METHOD OF PAYMENT
	1)  Bank or cashier's check made payable (in US funds) to "Stephen C. Camp"
	2)  US Postal Money Order made payable to "Stephen C. Camp"

	If you insist on a personal check, I will not ship until your check clears
	my bank.


Comments
Why am I selling?
	
	I want to start messing around with the two free Unix-like OS's:
	Linux and 386BSD.  However, no one has any Xservers for a 34010 
	board for either Linux or 386BSD  AND I can't afford the $1500 
	for the TI SDK (Software Developer's Kit) which is DOS based anyway.
	Since I don't want to run X11 under Linux or 386BSD on VGA, I needed
	a SVGA card or better.  When I learned that a free package called
	X8514 existed for 8514/A accelerator cards and worked with Linux and
	386BSD, I purchased an ATI Graphics Ultra.  However, the deal I made
	with my wife was that if I got the Ultra and it met my needs, I'd sell
	my current graphics board.  Well, I also need some new software for
	the Ultra, so I might as well sell the software that I no longer need.

	Please note:  I have all the original disks and manuals.  In some cases
	I also have the original packing materials.  I've taken good care
	of the Hercules board.


How old is the Hercules board?

	My GraphicStation card is 2 yrs. old.  I've taken care of it very well
	and it has only had the best electronically filtered power.  (I have
	both a 520 VA UPS as well as a 1.2 KVA electronic power filter feeding
	my computer in serial.)





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How fast is the Graphics Board?

	The current benchmarks I've seen in PC Magazine, Byte etc say that the
	ATI Graphics Ultra is 2-3 times faster than the GraphicStation.  However,
	the GraphicStation is still 10-20 times faster than SVGA boards.  In
	addition, it has 3MB total RAM on the card itself which helps to  make
	this an excellent AutoCAD board since 2MB or more can be devoted to the
	display list.

	I benchmarked ISC Unix 3.0 running Interactive X11 2.0 on my 386-25 
	(64k cache, 8mb RAM, Adaptec 1542A, Maxtor LXT-213sy 200 MB scsi disk)
	using XBENCH.  The machine came in around 10-11000 xstones.  This seems to
	compare poorly with some commercial Xserver claims of 85000 xstones 
	for a Graphics Ultra.  However, it should be noted that the xstone rating
	is heavily weighted towards certain performance criteria.  For example,
	here are some XStone ratings for some other popular workstations:

			IBM RISC 6000 MIT X11R5 Server			10.0K
			SUN SPARCstation 1 MIT X11R5 server		20.0K
			SUN SPARCstation 1+ MIT X11R5 server		25.5K
			SGI 4D20G Personal Iris (SGI X11R4 server)	13.7K
   386-25 w/GrfxStn	386-25 (ISC Unix 3.0/X11 2.0, Xoftware 2.0)	11.0K
      (my machine)

	I showed my machine to a couple friends that hack on Sparc 1s and 2s all
	day long.  Our subjective opinion was that the X performance using
	the GraphicStation w/ Xoftware 2.0 seemed like or felt like a Sparc 1
	or Sparc 1+.  It's not the fastest, but then again, it's no slouch.  
	Actually, I think that's pretty damn good for a 386-25 that is about the
	speed of a Sun 3/60!



























-- 

Steve Camp
(303)971-4379
hobbes@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com