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From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
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Subject: Re: Why 3 in "Cause and Effect?"
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:13:43 GMT
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In-reply-to: gberigan@cse.unl.edu's message of 12 Apr 92 20:28:37 GMT

Didn't anyone else see Data tapping three on his arm-sending-unit?
That is dot dot dot, not dot dot (binary 11). I have read numerous
postings where the smallest detail is pointed out "Did you see the
loose thread hanging from Lt Phaser Fodder's tunic as they blew him
through the wall in the explosion of the matter-antimatter reaction
chamber? SHEESH, you would think they would have invented rip-proof
uniforms by then!!!" and here it seemed fairly obvious that Data
tapped the device three distinct times and yet everyone is still
re-hashing what he sent/why he sent it/how many bits it would
take to encode Riker or Bay or LOOK OUT YOU BONE_HEAD . . .
coded in ASCII for s__t sake, as if . . . :-} Oh well, I guess
at least they FINALLY did away with EBCDIC!
(a JOKE, its a JOKE all you died in the grey pin-stripe wool IBMr's)




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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Re: Boothby and Picard:  TFD
To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Posted-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 13: 16:51 cst
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:16:51 GMT
Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 14: 15:33 CDT

Heather Hinton asks why Boothby recognizes Picard when Wes said B didn't
remember who P was.

In "The Game", Picard asks Wes if he sought out Boothby.  Wes said he
did, but that Boothby didn't remember who Picard was, until he showed
him an old yearbook picture of Picard.  Then he remembered him.

I assume this is either a hologram-yearbook or some sort of on-line
database of all students.  I can't believe they'd still have
PAPER yearbooks in that day and age.  Of course, if they can't afford
to get rid of the damn doorknobs (we've only seen one on the Enterprise,
and he sits in the captain's seat) maybe they can't afford to get rid of
paper at SFA either.

		--Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer
From: jeffski@koala.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: SFA in Marin County...YES WAY!
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:26:52 GMT
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In article <3APR199219045354@iago.caltech.edu> irwin@iago.caltech.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth) writes:
>Here there be proof that Starfleet Academy is located on the south side of
>the Golden Gate Bridge.  Since there is a small First Duty spoiler here, I...
>

>There now.  If you check the angle of the sun's shadow as seen in the outdoor
>scenes in "The First Duty," you will note that SFA must be located SOUTH of
>the bridge, and therefore is not on the Marin side of the bridge.

(an especially timely observation, given the recent change to DST)

Without seeing the episode again to look for your shadows, it seems that
the location of the shadows will vary by a great number of degrees (physics
people welcome to help out here) depending on time of day and year. For the
latter the sun can set anywhere from north of the bridge to far south (over
SFO) as seen from Berkeley.

Of course here the time of year is presumed to be May-ish, assuming Starfleet
Academy keeps the current academic schedule. Of course, given the Bay Area
weather Picard's breath vapor could indicate that its any month from July to
June (yes, the long way around).

Even with that assumption, however, the early morning shadows, with the sun
rising over Richmond (as seen from Saulsalito) would point southwest; they
would then swing west, north, and east, finally pointing southeast as the
sun set over the Pacific. The only direction the shadows couldn't point 
would be south, or directly towards the Gate. I seem to recollect that they
were not pointing that way, so that your statement is not conclusive. 

As for other ST scenes which might input on this, both from ST:TVH
1) it seems Sulu's comment
"I was born there" would have been a sort of "no big whup" if they had all
gone to school there, and 2) Didn't Kirk react with a sort of surprise when
someone told him there were whales in Saulsalito? Couldn't this be due to 
his having known Saulsalito "back in his day"? 

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Jeffski
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From: phil@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler)
Subject: Re: Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
Reply-To: phil@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:03:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.074215.12501@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
|> 
|> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open.  Awfully low tech, dontcha
|> think?
|> 
|> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
|> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today.  :-)

One BIG mistake they made . . . at the beginning of the program, they had a
'sound effect' when someone moved the handle to open the door (why would you
have electronics when the mechanical kind is SO much simpler) . . . but 
during the programs, the 'sound effect' was forgotten, lost, a 'non-effect'!!

OOPS!!

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.035223.12273@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>He and Ro are character foils at the moment,
>until the writers decide to make them something else.  Yeah, Ro's a cliche,

"Something else?" Like fuel?

Maybe Alexander could be sold to the Romulans as a sex toy...


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From: "Robert P. Humphrey" <rhumphre@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:22:41 -0500

In article <1992Apr8.051516.6661@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>Asimov apparently wrote a "farewell note" of some sort when he realized
>that he was dying.  It's supposed to appear somewhere sometime soon.  (Oh,
>that's a BIG help, Michael...)

	According to Ed Ferman, publisher of the magazine "Fantasy and
Science Fiction," to which Asimov contributed 399 science columns
since 1958, he wrote a one page goodbye when he realized he was dying,
which will appear in the next issue of that magazine.  Martin
Greenberg also reports that there are several books waiting to be
published posthumous, which should bring Asimov's publication total up
to around 480.  He is reportedly the only author in the world to have
a publication in every major classification of the old Dewey decimal
system.

	Bob

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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why did the Glass Break! Cause and Effect
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 22:17:55 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

vendwrt@iddsupp5.austin.ibm.com (Vendor Writer Guest Login) writes:

> O.K. O.K> Alright, enough! Yes heavy equipment IS moved around. But, did
> you ever notice something called an anti-grav unit on board?

On board the NCC-1701-D?  No, I can't say that I ever did.  How about
you?  Can you name one episode of ST:TNG in which an anti-grav unit is
used, or even mentioned?

>                                                            As for Dr.
> Crusher's glass, it is mentioned that perhaps she WANTED a REAL glass.

Yes, I know.  I was the one who mentioned it.  You even included my
quote in your article.

Slow down, Vendor Writer Guest Login, and read what people say before
you reply.


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From: bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:54:17 GMT
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA

In article <1992Apr5.221926.12208@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>Important Pieces of the Discussion After Spoiler:
>

>     BTW, anyone notice the time frame for the ^last^ attempted Culvort
>     Starburst (spelling?) -- 100 years ago.  Kirk himself?...     


Not too likely:  it was also mentioned that all 5 cadets involved died in
the attempt.

Bryan
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From: music@reg.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: Re: Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:12:00 GMT

In article <DEMILLO.92Apr6115717@egeus.juliet.ll.mit.edu>, demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo ) writes...
>In article <1992Apr6.150336.1734@osc.edu> phil@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:
> 
>> In article <1992Apr6.074215.12501@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>> |> 
>> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open.  Awfully low tech, dontcha
>> |> think?
>> |> 
>> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today.  :-)
> 
>I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the 
>reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
>that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
>more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
>it was a great touch...
> 

 I must agree.  I think young people need to live a little (during their
impressionable period) in some kind of atmosphere which puts them IN TOUCH
with their history.  Old schools, old hotels, old dormitories, old libraries,
museums and the like all present valuable learning experiences and make us 
appreciate our humanity and our ancestry.

 We live in a society where there are too many unsupervised young engineers
who can't wait to get out there and re-design the world.  That's good, but
a lot of *excellent* old, very practical, engineering can be easily 
forgotton.  Sometimes old engineering presents us with valuable insights 
that high-tech would over-engineer.  Young engineers, in their haste, have
a tendency to throw out a lot of features of old designs (which features
are quite ergonomic) just for the sake of doing it, and because the young
engineers don't understand what the features do or what they prevent from
happening.  So, a really good course of living in the past may make us more
observant and thoughtful in our present and our future.  

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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:49:37 GMT

bguillot@taronga.com (B.J. Guillot) writes:

>News on new episodes:
>  
>"Cost of Living" - this year's Lwaxana episode has Mom Troi taking a
>motherless Alexander under her wing.  It will feature a traditional
>Betazoid wedding, with, I think, Lwaxana herself as the bride (although
>I could be mistaken).  Guests and participants retain their clothes.

Well, then, it's not a traditional Betazoid wedding, is it?
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:33:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.220953.13877@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

>>>>     And anyway, you are overlooking the point: Locarno is Kirk ^as a
>>>>     cadet,^  as a KID.  I sincerely doubt Kirk was hatched a fully formed
>>>>     Captain Horatio Hornblower.  Let's remember who cheated on the 
>>>>     Kobyashi Maru simulation.  
>>> 
>>>    Cheating on the Kobyashi Maru simulation was not likely to get anyone
>>>even hurt, much less killed. Therefore, it is a totally different issue.
>>
>>     Beyond the death involved, cheating on an incredibly important
>>     Academy exit-exam is a much bigger breach of regulations than
>>          performing an against-the-rules maneuver.  The death involved 

>Did you read the book?  

Did you see ST2, where it *originally* appeared and was better handled?

>The Kobyashi Maru wasn't an exam.  It was
>a psychological test.  

IN PART.  It was not an exam per se, but it was designed, IMHO, to drive home
the very really lesson that *there are times you can't win*.  Kirk COULD NOT
accept that, and it's a sign of gross immaturity.  It served him well in some
ways; he might never have survived the encounter with the First Federation
without it, to be sure.  But it is a deep, deep character flaw, and one that
was exploited magnificently well in ST2.

The investigators learned plenty, sure.  Kirk, however, learned nothing.  And
apparently, you think that's just fine.

The first # times Kirk failed gave them more than

>You can't compare the two.  I mean, you can, but the comparison doesn't
>work.  Are you implying that if Kirk was bad at say Astrophysics that
>he would have cheated to graduate?

Possibly.

>Do you remember the episode where Wesley tried to get into the academy,
>they ran a scenario where he was only able to save one person from a
>fire?  That wasn't an exit exame either.

Oh, yes it was--of a sort.  (Or, rather, an entrance exam, since he wasn't IN
the Academy yet.)  "You had to make a choice and you did."  Wes 
managed to beat back his own fears related to Jack's death.  Had he frozen
with indecision, do you really think they'd have let him in?  

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From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
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Subject: Re: Re: An oddity
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:06:43 GMT
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In-reply-to: rslarsen@oregon.uoregon.edu's message of 10 Apr 92 00:00:05 GMT

>In article <11339@mindlink.bc.ca> Ken_Bell@mindlink.bc.ca (Ken Bell) writes:
>>How come that when an away party is being beamed into a dangerous situation
>>(i.e., into the middle of the Borg cube earlier this week) , they are never
>>beamed in a crouching position with weapons drawn. Instead, it's always upright
>>and they have to assume the position.
>
>Good Question.  The answer, as far as I have been able to figure out, is 
>that when an away beams into a 'situation', they have to get "straight" 
>there -- hence no crouching.                                  ^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^
 Huh??? I don't get it.

>It might also be too, that since StarFleet's 
>primary mission is exploration, not military, that they beam their officers 
>standing up for the same reason that Federation ships do not have cloaking 
>devices -- so as not to appear overly hostile.

Sure the PRIMARY mission is exploration. But if they beam into a known
hostile situation??? I'm damn sure I wouldn't beam into the middle of a
battle scene standing upright with my weapon lowered (or ON MY BELT???)
More likely either the team would be put at strategic points surrounding
the area (recall in 1001 or whatever the episode w/ the binars was, Riker
and Picard entered the bridge at opposite corners to get an advantage.)
or in a small circle facing outward crouching w/ weapons raised.


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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:03:27 GMT

kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
 > OK, assuming for a moment that you're right: give us an
 > example of Kirk taking on something that's way over his head,
 > ignoring all warnings, and just foolishly bulling ahead.

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
 > [...] Letting Khan get in close enough to cripple the
 > Enterprise in ST2?
 
kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
 > You'll understand if I don't accept examples taken from ST:TWOK,
 > since this was the movie that produced Kobiyashi and exposed
 > "failings" that I don't believe Kirk has.  

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
 > Then we can't reach agreement.  If you refuse to accept my
 > examples (and ST2 is the biggest and best of the lot), then
 > there's no point in my giving them, is there?

C'mon, Tim.  If I wanted to prove that Kirk had such and such
trait, wouldn't I write the script to back up my premise?  It
would be much more believable if there were good evidence from
pre-TWOK Trek, which leaves one movie and TOS to work with.

I admit we didn't see Kirk break down in TOS.  Yes, he did indeed
"put on a happy face" after many misadventures and close calls.
_This is what men were supposed to do._  Men simply did not whoop
and cry on TV in the sixties.  Particularly not leaders.  Kirk
held it in because duty and custom demanded that he do so.

And even so there were cracks in his composure.  For example,
consider the episode "The Ultimate Computer".  M5 was blowing all
those ships to Kingdom Come and all Kirk could do was sit
helpless and watch?
From: rchrist@uswnvg.UUCP (Ron Christian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: First Duty questions (SPOILERS)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:30:21 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Apr01.185224.15588@bmerh2.bnr.ca> n5pph307.bnr.ca (Bill Hengeveld) writes:
>True, but the 'chain of command' in the Federation works (in principal) 	
>like our own military.  In the Navy, the Captain IS THE CAPTAIN of their	
>ship regardless of the rank of any individual on-board or elsewhere.  The
>higher rank does allow that person to order the 'rank' of Captain, but
>technically the Captain (of a vessel) outranks all others.   It was therefore
>Picard's option to offer assistance (though he could have been ordered to).

Not only that, but rank in itself doesn't give one the right to commandeer
any particular resources.  If the Admiral was not in Picard's direct chain
of command, she would have had to go through channels to requisition the
ship.
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From: lawrence@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: OPINIONATED COMMENTS (SPOILERS for THE FIRST DUTY)
Keywords: doors
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:20:26 GMT

	Ever notice that the door to wesley's room had a door knob. (20th 
century one at that). Now why do you suppose they didn't have sliding doors?

Beats me! They have them everywhere else.  hmm.....

			GrowlTiger
From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine Promo!
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:46:00 GMT
Organization: Geochemical & Environmental Research Group, Texas A&M University
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In article <84013@bu.edu>, kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes...
>At Creation's Con this past weekend in Boston, Richard Arnold was there
>giving a preview of DS9. 

Did I miss something? I thought Richard Arnold wasn't working with Paramount
anymore (at least, to read the flame wars after Gene's passing). I can
understand that he's still a popular draw at cons, but I would have thought
that Paramount would have disallowed any top-secret material to go with him.
It could be one of many suggestions thrown together by the art department at
Paramount (or within the Star Trek production system). They've got another
six months or so before they have to finalize on anything.

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:54:21 GMT

goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin) writes:
 > If Locarno is not caught and punished for his actions then he
 > has once again gotten away with acting irresponsibly.  People
 > who get away with things don't learn their lessons.  Its when
 > you get caught and punished that you learn not to repeat a
 > foolish or dangerous action.

I think having a friend die taught all the cadets in question a
lesson.

"Be bloody sure of your teammates before you try dangerous stunts!"

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