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From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Subject: Pigeons
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling
Distribution: rec.pets
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:17:20 GMT


Is there anyone out there that raises pigeons?

I am interested in fancy pigeons, it appears that this is a hobby
on its way out?!?

stan

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From: graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano)
Subject: ferrets
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:42:22 GMT


Sometimes there seems to be more general ferret knowledge in the newsgroup
than at the vets, so...  My female Hava seems to be getting bony but the
scale says she weighs the same.  Also, her fur has been getting _very_ thin
over the past few months.  No big patches missing, but still lots of pink
skin to be seen.  The vet says her coat is thin but 'normal'.  Well, she
always had nice thick long fur.  Is it an age thing? She's 5 now.  We
checked out the adrenal gland tumor possibility but that doesn't seem to
be it (slthough, she did have some of the other symptoms).
	And the other one- Cheerio.  He's acquired a _huge_ lump on his
shoulder.  Been there for 6 weeks.  Its filled with clear plasma fluid, no
infection whatsoever.  The vet said he banged himself and broke a small
vessel, without breaking the skin.  But everytime he (the vet) drains it,
it just comes back.  I can't beleive he keeps on banging himself in the
same spot that hard.  Is a ferret more succeptable to such things than
other animals?  I've banged myself pretty hard and never gotten such a
lump! (2.5" diameter, 1.5" tall!!)  Cheerio's gotten tired of it and now
scratches and I'm worried it'll open up and make a big mess.  It'd be a
huge wound if it got infected.  Anyone else encounter this sort of thing? 
Sorry for making such a big deal out of it, but I can't help worrying when
my baby gets a bump half the size of his head.
Lisa, Chavelah, and Cheerio

 
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: Rabbit nail clipping
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:42:54 GMT


Hi, Ping --

The ONLY way I can get Frankie to let me clip his nails is to grab him up
in a big towel. I throw the towel over him, pick him up as quickly as possible
into a secure position, and make sure he's well wrapped in it. He struggles for
a minute, then quiets down completely against my chest. Next, I carefully sit
down cross-legged on the floor and nestle him in my lap so that the curve of
his back is in the hollow. At this point, he'll usually relax enough to let me 
pull one paw at a time out of the swaddling and clip it. 

This is one of my very favorite things to do, since it's the only time he'll
lay quietly in my lap. By the time I'm finished, if I'm careful, he's so 
relaxed that I can reach into the towel and stroke his tummy (something he
usually won't allow under any circumstances). In fact, the last time I did it,
he started in a tight curl, then relaxed limper and limper, until he was all
stretched out across my thigh. It was so funny/cute to watch his head slowly
tilt back until he was laying on my leg with his eyes half-closed and his
mouth half open. :->  I have to keep petting, though; if I pause for more than
a few seconds, he twitches, wakes up, and runs away (I can almost hear him
saying, "Geez, what was I thinking letting her do that????).

Of course, before you begin, you want to make sure you know where you're
going to sit down and lay out your clippers, brush, whatever there. Also, I
find Frankie likes green towels best, which is understandable.

It occurs to me that I could catch him this way more often to help him get 
used to being in my lap and petted. Or maybe it would just scare him, and 
make him not like my lap. Any thoughts?

Marty


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From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: Bunny Answers & Questions
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 08:05:33 GMT


In article <1hna0qINNn7u@bigboote.WPI.EDU> dugan@cs.WPI.EDU (R. Dugan) writes:
==> 
==> Here are some questions that we hope someone can answer:
==> 
==> CHRISTMAS TREES: Boy do bunnies love to chew on them... and they
==> know that they are not supposed to.  Has anyone done anything clever
==> to bunny-proof them?  I can't imagine spraying CAT AWAY on the whole
==> thing.

being jewish helps here ;-)  but our vet's office had a tree up
that was suspended from the ceiling -- they just put string around
the upper branches and fastened them to the ceiling, so the base of
the tree was about a foot off the ground.  animals can't tip it
over, and if they try to climb up to get the branches, it swings
away.  of course, i don't know what you do with presents and such.

i've seen people with small children put up little wooden "fences"
around the tree.  that might work, although i suspect Rasta Rabbit
would just consider that a special challenge.

==> 
==> BUNNY TOYS: What are some good ones?  We leave newspapers, old books,
==> shoe boxes, sticks, and cardboard tubes around.  What else is good?

Rasta prefers the spines of books -- preferably old, rare volumns
that are very difficult to replace.  the dog's tail is also of
interest, as are plates (empty or full, they are still fun to
hurl across the room).

Rasta shows very little interest in toys that we allow her to
have.  She is much more interested in stuff we don't want her
to have.  sigh.

==> 
==> RUGS:  Let's face it... these little rug monsters will always chew on 
==> rugs.  BUT how do you repair the damage?  We are renting an apartment
==> and one of these days we'll have to move out.  How do we fix the rug?
==> 

good question -- i hope someone can offer a good solution.
for a small spot, you can usually just glue a few fibers in,
but rasta has taken out some big pieces!

meg mcroberts
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From: tmg3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TINA MARIE GUERRA)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Hamster question
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:25:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I have a problem with my hamster that was given to me as a Christmas present.
He was supposedly the runt of the litter and was really scared of people at
first.  He has since became very tame and loves to crawl into my hand and play
outside of the cage.  But when I took him out of his cage when I first got
him, I noticed a bad cut on his rear leg.  I thought this was because he was
the runt and was "picked on" by the other siblings.  Since he has become more
tame, I noticed the cut looks worse and have found a smaller cut on his other
hind leg.  He doesn't limp and he loves to run in the wheel in his cage; in
fact, he doesn't seem to notice the injuries at all.  Is there anything I can
do to help these heal? I feel horrible not to be able to help the little guy!
Any suggestions? Thanks!
                             Tina

                             
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Holland Lops?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:33:30 GMT

In article <AfHMDNq00iV0A0z4VR@andrew.cmu.edu> "William K. Gentz" <wg0n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>2.  Does anyone know of a rabbit club in Pittsburgh (specialty or
>general)?  Any upcoming shows in the Pittsburgh area?

I highly recommend that you become a House Rabbit Society member.
Also buy their excellent House Rabbit Handbook.    << Hug Them >>

Drollery Press, and the House Rabbit Society head office
1615 Encinal Avenue
Alameda, CA 94501
510-521-4087

The following are Chapter managers who qualify as 
both a fosterer and an educational representative.

Alice Faber
P. O. Box 553
Malabar, FL 32950
Florida
407-724-6876

Helen Lau/Franklin Chow
306 S. Taylor Ave.
Oak Park, IL  60302
Illinois
708-386-4198

Nancy LaRoche
1271 Birch St.
Broomfield, CO  80020
Colorado
303-469-3240

Holly O'Meara
P.O. Box 49356
Los Angeles, CA  90049
California
310-447-0593

Laura Shortall
1030 W. MacArthur #132
Santa Ana, CA  92707
California
714-540-6780

Sandi Ackerman
P. O. Box 3242
Redmond, WA  98073
Washington
206-868-4839

The following are Education Reps who are not chapter managers,
but could probably help with questions you might have:

Elizabeth TeSelle
1013 Riverview Drive
Jackson, MS  39202
Mississippi
601-948-1243

Anita Richter
1330 Golf Ave.
Highland Park, IL  60035
Illinois
708-831-9493

Beth Woolbright
775 Prairie Creek Dr.
Pacifica, CA  94044
California
415-359-6408

House Rabbit Society
1615 Encinal Avenue
Alamda, CA  94501
510-521-4631
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From: tedybear@ravel.udel.edu (Heather A Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Funny bunnies, or at least interesting
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:43:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <C030E9.B7I@mtholyoke.edu> kbourque@MtHolyoke.edu (Karen M. Bourque) writes:
>Buns woke us up once in the middle of the night (like 3 a.m.) with her
>thumping!  She was thumping on a wood floor and it was LOUD!!!
>
My bun Spice woke us up once in the middle of the night with his thumping
also.  We had left the chairs out from around the dining room table, which
he proceeded to explore around 2AM.  We had a plastic table cloth though,
which is mildly slippery.  Spice doesn't like anything he can't get a grip
on (like linoleum floors) and usually thumps on them.  {Chastising them?) 
Well, anyway, he did the familiar thumps on the wooden table.  Can we say
'echo chamber'?  :)  He hasn't been up there since.  I think he startled
himself. Serves him right for thumping in the middle of the night!

But even more hysterical were the three nights that we spent at my inlaws
house.  Spice has become very used to running free through all rooms but
the bedroom (it is just to hard to cord proof).  Well, during our
Christmas vacation, we decided to take Spice with us (he did just fine). 
The only problem we had was that my inlaws could really only cord proof
the room my husband and I would sleep in (fine for the bun, not for the
humans).  The first night we were there he spent the night in his cage (he
was a bad bun- peeed all over the rug and refused to use his litter pan
for anything.  That's another story!!!)
The second night we were there he had won the litter pan debate, and was
once again free to roam.  Needless to say, he roamed all over our heads,
feet, bodies, suitcases and anything he could roam on all night long. 
Around 1AM he did settle down next to me long enough to allow me to get to
sleep.  Silly me, I remember drifting off with a thought like, "This is
nice.  I wonder if we could fix the bedroom so we could do
this everynight."  Little did I know that 2 hours later I would be
awakened to a bunny barber!!! :)  He was chewing my hair, with one paw on
my head to keep me steady or something!!!!  The poor bun, though.  I just
reacted with out knowing who it was and pushed him on the floor.  I
figured out what had been going on by the numerous indignant THUMPS that
followed his landing.
The third night was better, but I still recall being awakened by a bunny
standing ON my face.  Oh the joys of being a bunn mommy :)  I would not
trade it for anything, though.  
Hope this brought a smile or two.

Heather Rothwell
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: krk1@pyuxe.uucp (24228-knights)
Subject: Ferret Adjustment Problems
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:28:36 GMT



Not quite three weeks ago, we added a new ferret to our zoo.
He has a wonderful temperament and is utterly adorable, but
we are having some adjustment problems with the other ferrets.
Anyway, here's the stats:
Fermi, the new guy, is a male, and probably about 12 weeks old.
Tasha is a female about 4, and Archimedes is a 
male, about 3.  Tasha doesn't have a problem with Fermi,
but Archimedes is giving him a lot of trouble.  He chases
Fermi all the time and beats him up.  Fermi stands up for
himself, but last night I checked him out and he has little
scratches and bite marks all over him.  
We had a similar problem when we first got Tasha, and I
reprimanded Archimedes until he finally quit being such a
bully.  That adjustment took about 3 weeks.  I don't know
if I did the right thing or not, but it seemed to work.
I wonder if I should handle this the same way?  Right now,
Fermi is in a cage separate from the other two because he's
still learning to use his litter pan, so he's not getting
beaten up while I'm gone.

Anyway, I just wondered if anybody had any advice on how to handle
this so nobody gets hurt.  
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have to live there."
From: hartman@oin.cis.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferret Adjustment Problems
Date: 10 Jan 1993 06:08:46 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
NNTP-Posting-Host: oin.cis.udel.edu

In article <1993Jan7.142836.16753@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> krk1@pyuxe.uucp (24228-knights) writes:
>
>Not quite three weeks ago, we added a new ferret to our zoo.
>He has a wonderful temperament and is utterly adorable, but
>we are having some adjustment problems with the other ferrets.

The only way they are ever going to get along is if you let them
duke it out for dominance.  Usually this isn't a problem, they look
and sound like they are killing each other, but noone gets hurt (except
maybe the owner's nerves).  Since Archimedes is actually breaking
Fermi's skin it's a little bit more of a problem.  

You're going to have to let them duke it out.  But supervise it, and
don't let Archimedes get too rough (i.e., seperate them if you think
he is going to actually puncture the skin).  If you have a friend who
likes ferrets, maybe you could let them play together there.  Some
ferrets tend to be a little territorial, and if you put them together
in unfamiliar territory the fighting won't be so bad.

When they appear to be getting along better out of cage and you want
to try and let them live together, put Archimedes into Fermi's cage
and not the other way around.  (for the same territorial reason)

If they both like treats, give them treats while they are together.
This usually distracts them so that they can get used to the other
one being near by without trying to kill them.

If the fighting is bad enough that you actually fear for Fermi's
safety, just put their cages right next to each other, swap bedding
between the two cages, and let Fermi and Tasha play together so that
Archimedes can get used to Fermi's scent and presence.  Then once
Fermi is old enough that he can hold his own, let them duke it out.

BTW, if Archimedes is not altered that is an entirely different 
matter, especially if Fermi is also whole.  Two whole males may
fight to the death, especially if they are in season.

- Nancy

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hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
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           Owner of Percy, Bree, & Popcorn, the ferrets
From: sanderso@math.rutgers.edu (Yasmine B. Sanderson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: new bunny newsgroup
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:59:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm all for a separate rabbit newsgroup, but how do we get one?
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:18:29 GMT
Subject: N. Cal Bat Lady
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.pets

Speaking of bats, the news last night showed a lady in northern Cal
that had nursed some homeless bats back to health after losing their
home, I believe..  they appeared very neat to have as pets and she 
pointed out the misperceptions on the part of the public about bats..

She said that they are very gentle, do not bite if handled properly
and the rabies scare is not all that it is cut out to be...

She was taking donations and had some kind of Bat appreciation thing
going but I didnt get the details.. 

They seemed very smart and cuddly...  Anyone know if it is legal to 
own one and where to get one or how to contact the Bat Lady?

Thanks.
From: hh0@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Hui-Huang Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Questions about IGUANAs
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:36:19 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Hi, there!

I got a "big" green iguana from a pet store about 6 months ago. He lived
in wild forest before he was caught and sent to the store. He is about 3
years old and 3 and a half feet long. My questions are the follows:

1. How long can a green iguana live?

2. His color became much darker. Is it an indication of lack of sunbath
   or anything else?

3. He hasn't eaten much and losed some weight since about 3 months ago.
   He used to eat every day. But now he only eat once or twice a week.
   Is it because of the colder weather or is he sick? ( I live in north
   central Florida. And there is no heater in my apartment.)

Any replys will be very much appreciated.

H.H. Hsu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: bcs33424@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bryan Siegfried)
Subject: Re: Hamster question
Reply-To: zig@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:09:44 GMT

tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny) writes:



> (our male got badly beaten up by a female with whom he was
> supposed to be breeding).

	I don't know if you tried this or not, but I've read
that if you mate the two hamster's in the male's cage, the
female will tend to be less aggressive.  Just a thought.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: "jackie dyson" <jackie.dyson@canrem.com>
Subject: pig owners
Reply-To: "jackie dyson" <jackie.dyson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:27:22 EST

DJDoes anyone out there own one of those small, Vietnamese pigs?
  I don't plan to buy one inthe near future, but I am curious about them.
  I'd like to hear any experiences people have had with them.

Hi David,

My best friend had a Vietnamese Potbelly pig.  She lived in an 
apartment while she had it but it had an entire room to it's self for 
sleeping, eating, etc.  Wilbur (the pig) liked to chew on wooden 
furniture a lot, so after pretty much destroying a coffee table, he 
was allowed to keep the table.  There were never any problems with 
splinters.  Wilbur sounds spoiled doesn't he?  He was.  I think pigs 
are good pets (they are quite smart and good companions) but as I 
think dogs should have a lot of room, I think the same for pigs.  My 
friend eventually gave Wilbur to a farm so he would have more room as 
she was planning to move to a smaller apartment.

               Jackie
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From: "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Now we'll have to call him Thumper (about thumping)
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:35:33 -0500


Well, just as I'm wondering if my little Dinkums has lost sight of all
rabbitdom, and truly thinks he's human, he did it.  He thumped.
Loudly.  And numerous times. 

I picked him up, and was walking around talking to him and petting
him, and he joyfully licked my face and neck.  I walked up to our
oversized bar, and placed him on top, thinking he might want to sniff
around in a new place.  He didn't seem real comfortable up there, so I
picked him up again, and placed in against me.  He started to fight so
I started to stoop so he could jump off my shoulder when he just
launched himself.  That's a pretty far jump down, and he was NOT happy
about it.  He jumped a step away from me and I turned around and then
heard this *THUMP*.  Scot and I looked at each other, then at him.  He
was standing real tall, ears one slightly down, one straight up, and
he thumped again.  I started talking softly to him, and then started
towards him, and he did it again, and scooted off a step.  Scot went
up to him and he just relaxed and nudged his hand for pets.  I started
to go over to him and he ran!  He avoided me for a while.  

We got things worked out (later that night, around the usual time, he
came up to the couch and was doing the "Mom, can I come up there and
lay on your chest??" routine.  So we had a nice cuddle time and he was
obviously over it. 

But yeesh.... talk about getting mad at your parents!

amy

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From: mstrange@alfred.carleton.ca (N E N Strangelove)
Subject: Rabbit story
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:09:39 GMT

Hi everyone!

Great news! For those of you who have been keeping track of our bunny
family, this will be of some interest...

Barley [our female mini-lop], Calvin and Hobbes [two male lops,
newly-acquired] have spent their first night together! Everyone slept
safe and sound under our bed in peace and harmony. I was litttle
nervous, since was their first time together unsupervised; I hardly
slept a wink, listening for the bunny-scream. No incidents, everyone
went away happy and unscared!

Natalie