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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Pick and Choose? (was Re: God is intolerant of sin!)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:13:31 GMT

In article <1jpabsINNaj4@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

>Christians don't follow the Mosaic Law.   The fact that some 
>of the moral code Christians are told to follow also were in 
>the Mosaic Law doesn't mean Chrsitians are hypocritical for 
>following those, and not the rest of the Mosaic Law.

Let me ask a *very* *specific* question, then, since the general ones
have been muttered into oblivion.

I happen to have a copy of the RSV on my shelf.  I can find another
edition if that is problematic.  Some verses from Leviticus:

Lev 18:22: You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an
abomination.

Lev 19:27: You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the
edges of your beard.

How are these two passages distinguished that makes one worth
pursuing, but not the other?  Furthermore, where in the Old Testament
does it define this taxonomy?

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From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Larry King is coming to Day Time Radio (he he)
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:29:53 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1k59kvINNp8r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aj234@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Woolard) writes:
> 
> Does Larry really think he has the heart (he he) to compete head to head
> with RUSH. I think not, but I bet the main stream press will give some
> serious coverage to this competition. In the end we will see who the 
> real king is. Stay tuned, Febuary 1, 1993, Larry King goes head to head
> with RUSH. Can you believe Larry is giving up his comfortable throne to
> Jim Bohanan in the late nite market. While I sure he will have a formitable
> market share, he won't touch Rush. 

It will present a dilemma to the media, most of which seems to have taken 
great pains to ignore Limbaugh's uncontested success.  According to Limbaugh,
Arbitron consistently rates his TV show in the top 3, while his 14-million
radio listeners make his show #1 in NY and LA (all according to RL).  Yet
aside from the occasional magazine article, he's ignored.  Heck, Arsenio's
face was plastered on everything when he started out, and his show isn't 
rated nearly so highly.

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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt aka The Lensman)
Subject: Re: Pot anyone?
XXXDate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:27:53 GMT
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Date: 22 Jan 93 22:28:13 GMT

In article <1jo3uuINN64u@master.cs.rosehulman.edu> Anthony A Lowe,
loweaa@o23123.RoseHulman.Edu. writes:
>Hey yall! Here is one we did not catch before the election. It  
>starts with Bill and his appointment to the Attorney General. Well she is  
>a firm believer in the legalization of pot for medicinal uses. 

Up until now I didn't care about her either way.  Now I'm sorry she's
withdrawn her name.

>So she is a  
>hippy feminist who still is not read the research proving the couple of  
>hundred of chemicals in each joint does more damage than a pack of  
>cigarettes and THC does permanent brain damage, 

So, taking a rational position on medical use of the best available
medication makes her a hippy?  An interesting (and unique) definition.

Besides, you must have made up that stuff about the medical research. 
Everything I've read (and I follow this issue closely) indicates that
exactly the opposite is true.  And do you have any idea how many times that
old "brain damage" B.S. has been proven wrong?

>the good part is Bill's  
>response. He says that if he were to smoke pot today he would inhale.  
>Watch for smoke in the White House!

Really???  When and where did he say that?  Could you actually have come up
with a reason for me to be sorry I voted for Perot instead of Clinton?

Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman()

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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.sex,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: tait@cs.columbia.edu (Carl Tait)
Subject: Re: GayKilling question
Followup-To: alt.politics.correct
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:29:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.152500.7283@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) writes:
>
>Motivation is
>routinely considered in both charging and sentencing.  The only real
>difference among manslaughter and the various degrees of murder is the
>mental state of the culprit; in all cases, a person has been killed.

Hmm?  It's INTENT that distinguishes the various degrees of murder
and manslaughter, not motivation.  With the obvious exception of
self-defense, the motive for a killing is generally irrelevant in
both charging and sentencing.

>	In addition, I don't particularly have a problem with making
>punishment more severe for "hate crimes" as long as the action itself
>is already criminal.

You're getting into two ugly areas here.

First, what motivations are you willing to classify under "hate crime"?
I'm sure you'd include hatred based on race, religion, or sexual
preference, but how about hatred of rich people?  Poor people?
Saxophone players?  People over six feet tall?  Arguing that some
forms of hatred are more common than others, and should therefore
receive special condemnation, is specious.  Why in the world should
someone whose irrational hatred is relatively uncommon be let off
with a lighter sentence?

Second, and more importantly, why should a criminal's hatred of his
victim be considered at all?  Singling out a particular motivation
like hatred for severe punishment demeans the victims of crimes that
were committed for other reasons.

>For example:  I don't think it's unreasonable to make the punishment
>harsher a vandal who spray-paints Nazi symbols on someone else's property
>vs. someone who spray-paints a happy face on someone else's property.
>In either case, a crime (vandalism) has already been committed.

What makes you so sure the happy face is not a "hate crime"?  Suppose
the vandal knew that his victim despised those simpering smiley things,
and purposely chose that symbol to antagonize the guy because the
vandal hated his victim?

>	Spray-painting your own property, of course, is your business.

Not according to the hate-crimes law struck down in R.A.V. v. St. Paul.
That ordinance prohibited the display of inflammatory symbols even on
your own property.

Carl Tait

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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.sex,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: GayBashing question
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:13:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
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twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> I don't recall ever feeling like a target because of the color of my
> skin walking the streets of either New York or Boston.  My earrings
> tell another story altogether.

Holy naivite', Batman! ;-)  Your _earrings_ made you stand out in NewYork? 
Where were you, singing in the church choir?   And your skin color didn't 
ever make you feel like a target?  I take it you just stay around Harvard 
Square in Beantown, or the Village in NYC?   Earrings made you stand out 
in NewYork, that's a good one...;-)  You could have live iguanas with 
red-and-purple wigs on them hanging from your ears and not stand out...

Walter

Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: Special Rights for Heterosexuals (Re: Text of the CO Gay Discrimination Provisions Ammendment)
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:44:02 GMT

In article <john.727816409@misty> john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:

>Well, well, well.... lots of assumptions here, Stan, based on ZERO
>evidence. 

The evidence was in your post. You included parts of my post which were
seemingly quoted out of context just so you could fire up your flame thrower.

>In fact, I thought I was responding to someone else (who was
>advocating suppressing Catholic schools), and it was an honest mistake.
>Get it.... a mistake? I went back and reviewed the postings and
>indeed you were not the one I was after. Sorry about that. Now, can
>you apologize for "parroting what you hear...."? There was NO evidence
>of that in what I posted.

I'm not sure how someone could have the text they were responding to right
in front of them WHILE responding and still think they were responding to 
something completely different BUT(trust me on this one)nobody knows better
then myself that SHIT HAPPENS. I accept your apology.

However, when you wrote(article #23493)

>>Typical modern liberal thinking.
>>"We're so right, that anything we do to get our way is right." 

this can hardly be considered an original thought in this newgroup. Some 
have substituted conservative for liberal but we've seen it a thousand 
times. However, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and beleive 
that these lines were an orginal thought for you at the time, as well as
being mis-directed, and offer my own apology as you requested.

>Chill out, dude. Can't you recognize and obvious mistake? It was OBVIOUS
>that I was responding to the attitude of oppressing alternate views with
>the use of government, which you didn't advocate (but others on this
>thread did). I am using a new news reader (NN) and haven't quite mastered
>it yet.

Unfortunitly John you would have not have been the first in this group to
1st quote someone out of context and then go off on some weird tangent
based on some precieved label of that person to whom you were flaming and
then start with the name calling. The word you used was "fascists". Just
a small hint if I may, If you're going to throw such words around make sure
you know who they're aimed at. 

Stan Knight
|No harm, no foul----Magic Johnson|
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Special Rights for Heterosexuals (Re: Text of the CO Gay Discrimination Provisions Ammendment)
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:13:29 GMT

stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
]>Confused, isn't he. He can't understand how someone can claim that he
]>advocates crushing by force, because he thinks of himself as the
]>good guy on the correct side of the issue. Typical modern liberal thinking.
]>"We're so right, that anything we do to get our way is right."

]What's it like to live completely brainless John? Just walk around all day
]long parroting what you hear from people who are dumb enough to call
]themselves your friends huh? The rest of my post, which *you* deleted, went
]on to talk about all the things that I disagree with in what is generally
]considered to be liberal. In particular that I'm strongly opposed to the use
]of force in any situation where innocent people are not involved and that I
]beleive that the government is already too big. Too many words for you to read, 

Well, well, well.... lots of assumptions here, Stan, based on ZERO
evidence. In fact, I thought I was responding to someone else (who was
advocating suppressing Catholic schools), and it was an honest mistake.
Get it.... a mistake? I went back and reviewed the postings and
indeed you were not the one I was after. Sorry about that. Now, can
you apologize for "parroting what you hear...."? There was NO evidence
of that in what I posted.


]>It's really funny.... the very folks who call conservatives "fascists"
]>are themselves advocating using force to prevent parents from sending
]>their kids to religious schools.

]Go and get yourself a clue John and if at all possible trade it in on a brain. 
]Get those 2 easy steps taken care of and maybe I'll respond to something you 
]have to say again in the future. Intil then(I'm not holding my breath)you're 
]simply not worth the energy it takes to type.

Chill out, dude. Can't you recognize and obvious mistake? It was OBVIOUS
that I was responding to the attitude of oppressing alternate views with
the use of government, which you didn't advocate (but others on this
thread did). I am using a new news reader (NN) and haven't quite mastered
it yet.

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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Different Point
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:20:59 GMT

craig sivils (casivils@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov) wrote:

[deletions to save bandwidth]

:     There are other effects of allowing abortions, for example if it is true.
:
: >34.8% of abortions are done on non white women.
:
:     Then the argument that the fundies wouldn't adopt the aborted babies
:     anyways is false a good majority of the time.  Lets assume half of the
:     white women were drug addicts (just pulling a number out of the air).
:     That still leaves over 30% abortions from white non drug users.  Thats
:     500,000 babies a year.  How many women would place them for adoption afte
r
:     giving birth to them, I don't know, but that is a lot of babies.  I think
:     there is something to the adoption argument.  (one last question, why
:     do you assume all the people who wanted to adopt babies were fundies?).

So, are you suggesting outlawing abortion only for healthy white women?

[more deletia]

: 2.  What value should society place on the potential contributions of the
:     aborted babies.  (Someone said this didn't follow earlier so I guess I'll
:     have to go through the details).  If a fetus is aborted that would have
:     grown up to be a great scientist that would have found the cure to a
:     widespread disease, or might have become a great artist, or so on.

The alternate exists of course, the fetus could develop into a Jeffry Daumer.

[deleting the rest]

One argument that I posted earlier, but never to which I never saw any 
responses, concerns representation in Congress and the tax code.  I have to go 
to work now, so I will repost my thoughts later.
-- 
Mike McAngus
mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org

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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton break tax (and other) promise(s)
Date: 19 Jan 93 18:56:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1jfqhlINNrgk@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:
>Linda Ruoff (lruoff@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:
>
>
>: If Bush is a liar, then so is Clinton.
>
>This isn't obvious?  These men are politicians!

So much for those who voted for a change.

Ted

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: SunView memory pixrects in Xview?
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:40:47 GMT

doug@perry.berkeley.edu (Doug Neuhauser) writes:
>The problem is that the program makes heavy use of SunView Pixrects.
>It was designed to:
>a.  create a memory Pixrect using mem_create.
>b.  draw a base map into that pixrect using pr_rop and pr_vector.
>c.  copy the basemap into the canvas pixwin using pw_rop whenever it needs
>to reload the basemap into the canvas.

>mem_create does not appear to be part of the XView package, and there is a
>dirth of information on the Pixrect support.

xv_mem_create is a function you can call.  It's not documented, but
it is used by icon_load (oops, another undocumented function).

You can create an XImage and point it at your memory pixrect's pixel
data, and then just XPutImage the whole mess into a window when you
need to redraw.  You'll have to XDrawLine instead of pr_vector.  I
suggest you do not use the pw_* glue that Sun provided, it's better
just to bite the bullet and draw using Xlib.


-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: rosenfel@radium.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Roland Rosenfeld)
Subject: Problems with PANEL_MULTILINE_TEXT
Keywords:  PANEL_MULTILINE_TEXT,xview3
Reply-To: rosenfel@radium.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Roland Rosenfeld)
Organization: Praktische Informatik III
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:00:03 GMT

Hi,
 
I have a problem with the object PANEL_MULTILINE_TEXT.
When I set the value multiple times, it stores all old values. After diplaying
some different values I get an massage, that my textbuffer is full.
The problems differs, if I change the mode of the multilinetext to 
"readonly". Then setting a new value appends it to the old one :(
But I can't find any function to delete the textbuffer.
 
 
Is there a patch for XView3 (and where can I find it) or is this the correct
reaction.
 
Please answer quick,
 
        Thanks....
                
                Roland
 

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From: adam@micromiuse.co.uk (Adam Kerrison)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: SunView Pixrects in XView ?
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:00:09 GMT
Reply-To: adam@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: MicroMuse Ltd

I have some SunView Pixrects and I would like to edit them for future use.
As I know nothing about sunview, how can I do this or convert them to XView
icons/X pixmaps (they are colour, and I'd like to keep them that way :-)

Adam
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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: "Alarm clock" error in XView
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:40:26 GMT

jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot) writes:
>Upon exiting, it prints "Alarm clock".
>Does anyone know what is causing this?  I've searched every X book
>around to no avail.  

I think the shell prints this when a process dies due to receipt of
a SIGALRM which it is not catching.  Are you doing anything with
setitimer, sleep, or usleep in your program?  If you are, you need
to fix it.

-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
From: doug@perry.berkeley.edu (Doug Neuhauser)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: SunView memory pixrects in Xview?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:13:44 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
Distribution: world
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Originator: doug@perry.berkeley.edu


I have a SunView application that I am converting to XView.  I started with
the "convert_to_xview" and cleaned up all of the code from there.

The problem is that the program makes heavy use of SunView Pixrects.
It was designed to:
a.  create a memory Pixrect using mem_create.
b.  draw a base map into that pixrect using pr_rop and pr_vector.
c.  copy the basemap into the canvas pixwin using pw_rop whenever it needs
to reload the basemap into the canvas.

mem_create does not appear to be part of the XView package, and there is a
dirth of information on the Pixrect support.

What's the best approach to take with this application (other than a boat
anchor or shotgun).
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From: dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Re: What can you do within an event handler?
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:59:01 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan15.152558.7346@nlm.nih.gov> neve@nlm.nih.gov writes:
>I'm trying to do some xv_set() calls from within an event
>handler and then, without exiting from that event handler, proceed
>to do some heavy processing stuff. I want the xv_set calls
>to take effect completely before the processing begins.
>
> [...]
>
>What does it take to get a popup displayed, with ALL
>its items, while in an event handler?
>

That's the wrong question.

You want your event handler to start up the heavy processing, then
return.  The heavy processing thing then can post events while it
runs to keep you informed of its status, and a final event when it's
done.

Any time you refuse to return from a notifier event handler, you
hang the notifier.  If your job takes more than a second or two,
that's a very unfriendly thing to do (as you can see by your blank
panels).

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From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: Re: "Alarm clock" error in XView
Summary: Problem solved!!!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:20:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <105279@netnews.upenn.edu> jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot) writes:
> For some reason, an XView app I am writing exits suddenly while
> I am accessing the scrollbars (specifically the up and down arrows).
> Upon exiting, it prints "Alarm clock".


Finally found an easy fix to this, thanks to Karl Nicholas and Jeff Bryson.

Starting with version 6.4 of Ingres (whose libraries I have linked
in), a connect to the database sets all signals to QUIT.  The fix is
easy; just call:

		signal(SIGALRM, SIG_DFL);

after the connect statement...

Kevin


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Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: bernie@ecr.mu.oz.au (Bernie Kirby)
Subject: xview/olgx on an RS6000
Keywords: Anyone got a compiled version?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:25:40 GMT


I wish to compile some SUN programs on an RS6000. I know there are ports
of the xview/olgx libraries for RS6000s, but I would rather not have to
compile the whole lot (takes time and lots of disk space). Is there an FTP
site with some compiled versions of these libraries?

Bernie