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From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant for my wedding - need advice!
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:42:03 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

I e-mailed, but this bounced:

In article <RyX1iB1w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca> you write:
|> The problem... I just found out yesterday that I am betwen 12 and 15 weeks 
|> pregnant

Congratulations!

|> The advice I need is in regards to the wedding... should we postpone it for 
|> a year, meaning that guests would have to cancel plane tickets, and
|> we would lose deposits on many things we have already booked, but
|> by next August I would be able to wear the dress, drink wine with
|> dinner, and be more "bridelike", or should we go ahead with the
|> wedding as scheduled?  Would it be terribly bad form for me to get
|> married at 7 mths. pregnant? 

Forgive me, but how could it be in 'bad form' to get married when 7
months pregnant, but not in bad form to get married when the bridal
couple already has a 10 month old child?  

Go ahead and get married.  If a big wedding is important to you, do it
on the planned date, buy a different wedding dress and get married.
If a big wedding isn't important to you, get married sooner.  If
drinking at your wedding is important to you, then you should probably
postpone the wedding, but I imagine lots of brides don't drink (at
their wedding or elsewhere) and it doesn't make a woman "unbridelike"
not to drink.  (You aren't supposed to drink toasts to yourself
anyway,which should spare you lots of drinking.  For toasts to others,
fill your glass with sparkling apple juice)

Good luck
--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hwolkowi@orion.waterloo.edu (Henry Wolkowicz)
Subject: Princeton area childcare
Keywords: Princeton,toddler,childcare
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:45:55 GMT

My wife and I are spending our sabbatical (we are both on sabbatical
this coming year) at Princeton University. We have an 18 month old boy
who will be 2 when our sabbatical starts. Since we both work, we will
need some help through daycare or a nanny. Does anyone have any advice
for daycare or nannies in the Princeton area? Thanks. (Please e-mail
replies as well if possible.)
-- 
Henry Wolkowicz; Department of Combinatorics and Optimization;
Faculty of Math.; Univ. of Waterloo; Waterloo, Ont., Canada  N2L 3G1 
(519-888-4597 office; 746-6530 FAX; switchboard 885-1211)
{hwolkowicz@orion.uwaterloo.ca;  na.wolkowicz@na-net.ornl.gov}
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Placenta Lore
From: karen@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward))
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 06:24:27  -2
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hayward Circus, Wellington, New Zealand.

szakhour@next.com (Sharon Zakhour) writes:

> 
> Howdy net!  I have sure been enjoying (and learning from!) this newsgroup sin
> January.  I am now going on my 10th week of my first pregnancy.  Yahoo!
> 
> But I do have this burning question.
> 
> When my husband and I were trying to choose hospitals we toured quite a few i
> our area.  On one of these tours one woman nearing her ninth month asked if i
> would be difficult for her to take her placenta home afterwards.
> 
> I must admit I thought this a strange request.  What is she going to do with 
> it.  Hair rinse?  Face cream?  (My husband offered to build a glass case for 
> mine.  :-)  Other people in the group looked fairly confused as well.
> 

Here in New Zealand, it is the custom among Maori women, to bury their baby's
placenta after the birth and plant a tree to mark the spot. Rather a nice
custom.

Karen.
From: gazit@antigone.usc.edu (Salit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Date: 8 Apr 1992 12:37:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: antigone.usc.edu

In article <76qj7l+@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle) writes:
>Yes, pretty typical of the fanaticism of some LLL members. If your
>pediatrician notices your baby drying up and tries to prevent it,
>s/he is "ignorant" and should be "ditched".
[Deleted]
> Yes, you should try hard to breast feed exclusively
>in the first few days, but your baby is a human being, and *needs
>fluids* to survive. If you can't provide that, it is not OK to
>just deprive him/her because LLL tells you to. 

I breastfed my son exculsively for the first 9 months of his life (solids
added at 5 months of age), and partially till 19 months. However, I am not
a fan of LLL. I strongly disliked their breastfeeding book, because
of its preachy tone and stay-at-home message. I also feel that while there
are definite nutritious and other advantages to breastfeeding, mothers who
choose otherwise are not less worthy mothers for their choice.

However, the above is patently foolish. The incidence of babies dehydrating
due to breastfeeding is extremely small. By nature breastfeeding is designed to
supply the human baby with enough fluids and nutrients to survive in normal
conditions. Dehydration is unlikely to occur in the hospital, due to controled
temp. When it does happen, water bottles or IV (if the condition is serious)
are much better choices than formula. When my son came back from the hospital
the tempratures here averaged 100+ degrees. We watched his urine production
and when we saw it was decreasing, we supplemented with water. In his case,
as it turned out, the (drastic) reduction in urine output was mostly due to
infection, not the heat. The solution was not formula, but antibiotics...

>Brian

Salit
gazit@iris.usc.edu



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From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: More on Girls in Math and Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:17:00 GMT

In article <2520015@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM>, jbm@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM (Jane Marcus) writes...
>I had the opportunity to visit a school in my area for National Read Aloud
>Day.  In introducing myself to the 2nd grade class I was assigned to, I
>made a point to tell the kids that I worked in computer science.  After 
>making this statement, many of the boys in the class were jumping out of 
>their seats, waving their hands so that they could tell me how they have
>computers at home, or how they love to use computers, or how they wish they
>had a computer etc.  The girls were remarkably silent, not one of them 
>offering some statement of interest to me or the group.  At one point, I 
>thought one of the girls was raising her hand and I asked her what she wanted 
>to tell us, but then she said she was just stretching and didn't have anything 
>to say, and I couldn't tell if she was feeling shy or really didn't have 
>something to contribute.  Needless to say, I was disappointed.  So does this 
>mean that these girls have already, by 2nd grade, been socialized to shy away 
>from computers??  It seemed to me to be the case since the girls got lively
>when I started reading a story to them and then they participated as much
>as the boys did.
> 

Sad to say, the answer is yes.  I have discussed this with other
mothers at my daughter's school, and among first and second graders
the children will say things like 'girls don't go to Hands-on-Science'
(an after school science exploration program). The after school
computer club is mostly boys (third grade and above). There will 
always be some girls involved in these activities, but it seems
the majority of girls are not. As an aside, I signed my daughter
up for T-ball, and the first practice was last Wednesday. She only
agreed to do it if a friend signed up too, but her friend is
away for a couple of weeks, so she was the only girl there. Well,
I am proud to report that after initial shyness, she jumped right
in and was as assertive as the rest of the kids when going after
balls and hitting the ball. One of the other mothers said to me
'isn't it nice there is a girl on the team?', and when I told her it
was my daughter, she said she wished she had done the same thing
with her daughter (who is now 12, and beyond parental suggestion 8-)).
Anyway, my moral, if any, is go ahead and sign your daughters
up for those 'boyish' things. It can't hurt!
                              Patti Twigg
Xref: sparky misc.kids:12523 alt.satanism:1284
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism
Subject: Re: The Satanic Purpose.
Summary: please stop cross-posting to misc.kids
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:46:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.ku4ukaINNnj8
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

Fascinating as this thread is :-), would you folks mind deleting the
cross post to misc.kids, as it has now meandered far from the
original topic?  Thanks in advance,

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"The secret of life is enjoying
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         the passage of time."
(Dylan's mom, 16 months)		  	-- James Taylor
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: the problem during night for 5-years old
From: lpeng@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:41:21 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City

Hi, 

I have a 5-year old little girl. I don't know what I should put on her during
the night. She catch cold very often since she always kick off the blanket 
during the very early mornning before she wake up. I tried to put heavy 
pajamas on her, and it worked fine during the early mornning (about 3:00am -
7:00am), but she sweated a lot at the night time. Do you have the same 
experience? Any suggestion will be appreciate. 

-Li
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: robert@jetsun.weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon)
Subject: Re: Boy (8 yrs.) wearing out shoes
Reply-To: robert@hemingway.WEITEK.COM (Robert Plamondon)
Organization: WEITEK, Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.194442.22891@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> melissa@spanky.jpl.nasa.gov (Melissa Probst) writes:
>It doesn't matter if we spend $15 or $50 for shoes they seem
>to wear out just the same.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

Yeah: stick with the $15 shoes.

	-- Robert
-- 
    Robert Plamondon, robert@weitek.COM

"But that was just one of the many times I died!"
    -- Baron Munchausen
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: I want MOMMY do it!
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:46:50 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Apr09.224659.905648@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

[I deleted story about special things done with just the older sibling]

> This is terrific.  Let me warn you, though, that in short order number 2 is 
> going to be aware of, and quite jealous of these ritual breakfasts and number
> 1 being the big helper of the family.  Be aware!  You may want to start
> having special #2 and me events now so this doesn't become a big shock later.
> 
> Remember, when #2 becomes aware, #2 is at the "I am the center of the universe
> and everything is MINE" stage.  This stage, I have found, doesn't sit well with
> the big brother.  

Ah yes, no doubt we'll have that to work through.  But as somebody pointed out,
children certainly do teach a parent constantly.  Know what #2 has already
taught me: not to worry too much about the next stage coming up!  I've really
been trying to relax and just deal with stuff as it comes up, rather than
worrying so much.  Guess there is always going to be something to deal with.

If the unexamined life is not worth living, then surely parents have the most
valuable lives around!

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: "Whole Language" teaching concept
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:37:09 GMT

Yikes, glad my wife didn't read the posting equating whole language with 
phonics, she's have a fit.  Yes, whole language goes for learning by doing,
exposing kids to reading and bringing in all the other language arts -
spelling, grammar, etc. - as needed to improve skills and comprehension.
BUT, in general the philosophy of whole language is pretty eclectic and
does NOT buy into the idea of "all sight words" or "all phonics" - these
are both useful tools in making sense out of reading.  As was mentioned,
many of the things we do with our kids like reading to them in bed tend
to foster reading skills in a wholistic fashion.  Now, the fact that a
school may be getting really doctrinaire about a particular formula that
they perceive to be "whole language" isn't surprising, and you've got every
right to be skeptical.  But don't get paranoid every time you see "whole
language."  It's really just trying to teach reading the way we learn
things like speaking or riding a bike.  When was the last time you saw
somebody learn to ride a bike by studying a parts diagram for a week, 
then trying to balance in place of a while; then pedalling with a dis-
connected set of pedals to learn that skill; then practice steering in
a similar way . . . and then have them be able to hop on a bike and ride?
Sure, they may need to practice particular skills related to riding but
until you are up and moving on that bike, the isolated skills are meaningless.
The catch phrase is "whole-to-parts" learning instead of the traditional
"parts-to-whole" techniques.
  Doggone it, this is what I get for marrying a reading teacher who lives and
dies by research.  I will ask her to type up a reasonably short blurb on
whole language sometime in the next couple weeks and I'll post it - doesn't
hurt to dispell a few myths that may be floating around out there.

-- 
paul marxhausen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "when i was six I could paint like
university of nebraska - lincoln ~~~~~~~~~~ raphael - it has taken me my entire
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ life to learn to paint like a child."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Pablo Picasso
From: jshekara@wisconsin.prime.com (Jennifer Shekaran)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: names
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:59:36 GMT
Reply-To: jshekara@wisconsin.UUCP (Jennifer Shekaran)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

>=> 			Brendan		Liam
>=> 			Finn		Donnall
>=> 			Seamus		Eammon
>=> 			Connor		Brian
>=> 		
>=> Some girls names:
>=> 			Nora		Rose
>=> 			Sionnaid	Shiobhan
>=> 			Derval		Fiona (or Fionuala)
>
>Also (boys):  Sean (pronounced shawn)  {Gaelic for 'John'} (sine fada e)
>              Ciaran (pronounced keeran)
>              Shane (one of my little brothers names)
>              Conal (another brother, do you want all six?)
>                         (pronounced co-NAl)
>
>girls:          Don't have any sisters, but I know a couple:
>                Maire (pronounced MAW y re) {Gaelic for Mary)
>                            (Btw, theres a sine fada over the i)
>                Noel (pronounced NO-el) {You might check this name,
>                    unless your Catholic, I _think it means 'Christmas'}
>                Sinead (pronounced shin-ade, 'ade' as in 'lemonADE'
>                           Sigh! Memories of my first girlfriend!!!)
>                         {Btw, sine fada over the 'e'}
>

Here are some that I have not yet seen in these postings:

   girls:
      Sheila (my sister, middle name Kathleen)
      Bridget (another sister, middle name Mary)
      Maureen (another sister, middle name Elaine)
      Aileen  (another sister, middle name Therese)
      
          (my remaining sisters' names are Melinda Louise (I'm not sure if
           Melinda is Irish or not...my parents always said it was!!) and
           Megan Mary...which I believe has been mentioned.)

      Colleen 	   These three names are my nieces' names.
      Corinne      (pronounced co-rin, not co-reen)
      Casey
      
   boys:
      Kevin (my brother, middle name Francis)
      Edwin (another brother, might not be sooo Irish..my father
      	     and grandfather were Edwins...middle name is James)
      	  (my other brothers' names were Brian Joseph, Sean Patrick, and
           Brendan Thomas...all previously mentioned.)

      Aidan   	   These three names are my nephews' names.
      Colin
      Bryce
      
      Sheamus (pronounced shay-mus, my brother Brendan was almost this!)
      Denis   (again, Brendan was almost this instead!)
            
  (My maiden name is McNichols, modified from the Irish name McNicholas upon
   arrival in the USA...My mother's maiden name is Daily.  So I come by the
   Irish heritage pretty honestly!)
      	      	   
  Both of my sister-in-laws complained good naturedly, when they were looking
  for names for their kids, that my parents had taken all of the good Irish 
  names! I am watching this with interest!

Jennifer

**************************************************************
Jennifer Shekaran  	     jshekara@cvbnet.Prime.com
Computervision
Bedford, MA  01730
From: deja-q@access.digex.com (Lin Yon Q)
Subject: Re: SIDS as population control?!?!
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:48:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.192535.2232883@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>I like this logic.  You are blaming the population of an enormous country 
>based on the density of one beltway!  How about the drive from Fairbanks,
>Alaska to Juno?  We could conclude by this drive that there is sparse population
>in the US ;-)  We have large undeveloped areas in this country.  People flock
>to big cities because there are more jobs there.  But that is their choice
>(and yours).  There are plenty of small towns left for those who prefer them.

You clearly don't have a clue about the difference between an example, and
basing one's entire argument on one instance.  Dearest Judy, overpopulation
in US cities is astronomical.  Your "answer", move to the small towns, is
utterly incomprehensible for those people who do not have the resources to
move across town, never mind populate the frozen tundra.

>Now, your complaint isn't about population control, it is about resource
>consumprion and that is an entirely different story.  It has nothing to do
>with population control in the US and everything to do with lifestyles and
>priorities.  Surely the same population could live without consuming such
>valuable resources.  But until Brazil is willing to raise the price on rain-
>forest lumber, it will remain economically infeasable for massive consumers
>of the product like the film industry to recycle the wood.  So, don't blame
>us.  You are looking a global situation and blaming the top dog for being
>top dog.  Hey, if those countries weren't willing to sell their resources for
>spare change, we wouldn't be buying.

What a narrow minded twit!  Brazil won't raise their prices.  They are
STARVING to death down there you nitwit.  They refuse to do anything to
decrease their cash cow.  Sure, blame them why don't you?  They are being
capitalistic just like we taught them to be.  You probably blame the poor
family in downtown DC for selling all their belongings to eat.  yeah, if
those damn poor people wouldn't sell their sofas for so little, the guy at
the furniture store could make a living.  Sure!

>So tell me, Q, when you make a purchase do you think of anything other than
>getting the best value for your dollar?  If not, then you are guilty as the
>rest of us.

Duh!  You really don't know much about me, do you?  I give tens of thousands
of dollars per year to the environmental groups of my choice.  I also give
another ten thousand or so to inner city educational groups.  All in all, I
give anywhere from 100 to 200 thousand per year to try to save this little
piece of dirt we call a planet.  and you ask me about whether I care nothing
more than getting the best value for my dollar?  HA!  Come back with a real
argument next time.

Q
From: X045KF@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Kimberly Faircloth)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:19:24 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr13.152900.27026@nynexst.com>
clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
 
>  Teenagers?  Naw, they're still extremely ego-centric.  More like "parents
>  are ogres who won't let me do this, won't give me that."
>  I don't believe people reach this stage "wow, parents are people too",
>  until they become parents themselves. ;-)
>--
It's not ego-centrism so much as it is peer pressure, though it's not until
they realize that they had it easy in high school, does everything come full
circle with them.  But I think I would much rather deal with the "egocentrism"
than have a teenage mother/father and be a grandmother prematurely just so
he/she would realize that I am a person too. =-)
 
Kimberly Faircloth                |x045kf@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Users Consultant                  |kdf8236@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Texas A&M University              |kdf8236@zeus.tamu.edu
(409) 845-8956
"But Soft!  What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick!
           and Juliet is out cold..."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seeking information about Tuboplasty
From: karen@madhouse.cavebbs.gen.nz ((Karen Hayward))
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 05:12:55  -2
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hayward Circus, Wellington, New Zealand.

lauraf@notavax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:


> Yes! Another offensive post by Eric Lee Green. It seems like whenever I see
> his name on a post I can expect it to be mean spirited. In the last few weeks
> he has attacked one mother for saying she teaching her son manners so people
> wont dislike him, he has attacked one father for having two daughters
> whos professional choices were, in Eric's words, "womens jobs". And now, 
> someone has asked the net a question about a fertility issue and Eric gives h
> this! He has also reapeatedly tried to make parents of ADD children feel bad 
> about their choice of treatment. Sheesh. 
> 
> Most of the people on misc.kids seem to get a lot of information from 
> misc.kids, and also, when possible, are able to reciprocate by sharing info.
> I doubt Eric is getting much from the news group, but seems to think it is hi
> mission to come in and tell us how we are doing things wrong. Gee thanks, but
> we have had threads on how to deal with people like you in real life. I suppo
> the net equivalent would be putting Eric in my kill file. I rarely put anyone
> in my kill file, but Eric seems to be a good candidate.
> 
> The really scary thing is that this mean spirited person will soon be teachin
> children.
> 
> Am I alone in feeling this way?
> 
> Laura Floom
> 
>
No you are not. I feel the same way.

Karen.
From: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:27:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: lll-wink.121954
Reply-To: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

first...
In article <1992Apr03.234858.952904@locus.com> 
judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) wrote:
   I am certain that this will generate flames..
   <stuff deleted>..Children are not "possessions" 
   to be enjoyed at the whim of the parent...
   <stuff deleted>...if you cannot take 5 years out of 
   your career and whatever personal satisfaction that 
   gives you to devote to the upbringing of another human 
   being, then, IMO, you should rethink having children.

In article <STB.92Apr7153111@sbodoff.hpl.hp.com>, 
stb@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Stephanie Bodoff) wrote back: 
   Well, you anticipated some flames, so here goes ...

   I'm getting very tired of these not so subtle 
   intimations that parents who use daycare are treating 
   their children as pets ...<stuff deleted>...Since 
   neither you nor your husband really enjoys the job of 
   full-time childcare, maybe you should have thought 
   twice about having children.

my two cents worth..
there are three areas in which i respect other people's 
choices and i hope they respect the same in me:
  1. their choice of religion
  2. their stand on abortion
  3. their child-raising philosophy..especially daycare 
     vs stay home issues

these issues are pointless to discuss in this newsgroup and 
get in the way of sharing good information.
-------------------------------------
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
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