From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:44:44 GMT

In article <6168.2ad58dbb@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.210041.19546@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski) writes:
>> In article <BvIGCM.Ixs@rice.edu> jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:
>>>
>>>Whoopee.  Accelerate that creaking 1986 technology.  Love that 24-bit
>>>addressing, no Color QuickDraw, max 4MB of RAM, no sound chip machine.
>>>Emulating a Mac Plus is about as interesting as building a 286-based
>>>PC clone.
>> 
>> This is really interesting. First I hear from many people that Mac
>> is a viable platform even in b/w (color is available for the Mac for
>> not so long) and then I hear that this machine is not worth anything.
>
>Funny thing. All those color Macs work just fine in black and white.
>
>The Mac Plus was discontinued almost two years ago. (Exactly so in a few
>days) Yet, the Amigoid in the original posting claimed his emulator was
>faster than a IIci. 

I prefer that you use word "advocate of Amiga" instead of "Amigoid".
You certainly don't want someone calling you "Macmoron" or something similarly
offensive.

>Jim was correctly pointing out that this wasn't true, that the Amiga didn't
>do what a IIci does.

Our IBM PVS on certain tasks is faster than our Cray Y/MP. Which is why
we can say it is faster for these operations. Yet always someone can say
"but it doesn't do all what Cray does." The point is: if it does what
I expect it to do faster than IIci, I don't mind this other stuff.
And I expect it to do the job of Mac Plus at the speed of IIci if it was
doing the same job.

Anyway the discussion on this topic is pointless anymore as the emulation
on Amiga allows to emulate Mac II series now. At the speed of Quadra (if
one has A4000).

>Mac Pluses are certainly worth something. On the used market, they sell
>for around $600.

That is how much people wan't for it. I saw a few of them just thrown
into the trash or put in the closet.

>I think the final sentense fits perfectly. Emulating a Plus is about as
>interesting as a 286 clone. There are still a lot of people using 286
>machines.

What is interesting in emulating a Mac Quadra?

>> When I am supposed to buy a Mac for one of the officers and she
>> wants b/w, should I get her color? No. She wants b/w and I will get
>> it for her, even if someone thinks it is not interesting. She is
>> supposed to work on it. She is not interested in the interesting
>> computer.
>
>So, get her a color Mac and set in to b/w mode.

It must be me who writes so complex sentences that the point
isn't obvious and someone must repeat it himself to get a clue.

>> All advocates of Mac who claim that b/w Mac is not an appropriate
>> Mac, should face the fact that disregarding them would cut the number
>> of considered Macs (here color ones) down to the number of Amigas. 
>
>Since the Mac LC (and II) has been the hottest-selling Mac for over a year,
>the number of color Macs appears to be significantly higher than the total
>number of Amigas.

I would call "significantly" an overstatement.

>Indeed, the color Mac sales for the past year probably exceeds the total
>Amiga installed base.

Do you suggest that Apple sold over 3.7 million color Macs?
Please quote the source.

>Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958

Dariusz Bolski.

P.s. 3.7 million is the figure from the financial report of Commodore as
    of year 1992.

P.p.s All Amigas are color computers.

-- 
Dariusz Bolski     Ohio Supercomputer Center, IBM POWER Visualization System
Systems Programmer Ohio State University , Columbus U.S.
                   The Advanced Computing Center For The Arts And Design
e-mail: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu  derek@osc.edu