HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Change Vinnie!? (was Re: Only the Buccaneers could manage this.)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:42:25 GMT


>>I dunno who is going to change Testaverde.
>
>I thought they hired a nanny to change his diapers.
>
They did hire a guy named Wyche, but now he won't do it anymore
because he found out that Vinny really stinks.


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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: playoff games question
Summary: by the book
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:30:21 GMT

In article <92350.105902SLANE@ESOC.BITNET>, <SLANE@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
> 
>     Maybe this has been dealt with recently , but I can't find it , so until
>   we get a FAQ , here goes :-
> 
>   First round is clear , DC3 vs WC3 and WC2 vs WC1.
> 
>   Let's say , as an example , this leaves ....
> 
>   SF     14  2                   DC1
>   DAL    13  3                   DC2
>   MIN    11  5                   DC3
>   NO     13  3                   WC1
> 
>   Does SF play MIN because it has the worst record , or does SF play NO
>   because they are ranked lower ?
> 
> 

As far as I can remember, records become null and insignificant at this
point; just assign seedings as above.  With 3 defeating 6 and 4 defeating 5,
3 would then visit 2 and 4 would visit 1 (in your case above, Vikings at
Dallas and N'Orleans at the Stick).  The only way that a wild card team
can host the conference championship, no matter their record, is if
another wildcard with a worse record (or equal record, losing conventional
tiebreaks i.e. a lower seed) also advances there.

Just an estimate.
Later.

HO HO FRAGGIN' HO!
Kevin L Stamber
Purdue University

COWHER POWER!

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:40:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand)
Subject: Falcons Quarterback
Reply-To: mas@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:55:11 CST

Does anyone know who will be starting at quarterback for the Falcons this week
when they host the Cowboys on Monday Night?  Has Glanville made any announcement?
I would think that Wade Wilson earned another shot, but I haven't heard anything
official.

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From: Kalle.Kivimaa@hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Physics 101
Date: 19 Dec 1992 13:06:13 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
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In <1992Dec18.212025.31009@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>???  But, it doesn't matter if the ballwas still in his hand, the point is
>whether he was deemed to be in the motion of throwing or not... This is

Nope.  A forward pass is a pass that LEAVES THE HAND GOING FORWARD!
So, if your favorite passer is in the act of throwing and is hit,
the direction of the ball is the decisive factor, not the direction
of his hand.

Read the rule book or one of my previous posts where I quoted the
relevant section of the rules.

Of course, if the rules have changed since the last season, then I'm
wrong, as I only have the 1991 NFL rules.  I wonder where I could get
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From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots Poll
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:55:25 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1ggpe1INNhr6@crcnis1.unl.edu> mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
>I'd like to hear from the rest of the Patriots' fans that read this group,
>all ten of us :-) who you think we should draft.  Mail me your vote and I
>will summarize later.  Some possible choices:
>
>QBs: Gino Toretta, Drew Bledsoe, Shane Matthews.  All votes for Rick Mirer
>	 will be "accidentally" discarded ;-)

Don't bother.
(IMO) there's no sense in looking for a franchise QB when the rest of the
franchise stinks. 

>
>OL:  Outland Trophy winner, Will Shields  (No, I'm not voting for him).

dunno.

>
>RBs: Assuming Faulk and Hearst don't come out, I can't think of anyone worth
>	 using our #1 pick on... We don't really need one anyway.

naw, don't need one.
Stephens and Russel and Vaughn, and Turner. Sheesh.
we need decent blocking, noty more RBs. 

>
>WRs: None I can think of worth picking #1.

maybe not #1, but we REALLY need one.

>
>DL: Either of the 'Bama DEs

we should try for one DL.

>
>LBs: Marvin Jones

Tippet is getting old, Brown is awesome,
we could use one LB.

>
>DBs: Maybe Curry from 'Bama.

we could REALLY use a CB and a safety.


what about free agency? 
R. White would never play here, but he is just the type of 
player we need. (no pash rush).

maybe we could get a WR, QB,  CB, or safety?!




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From: voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek)
Subject:  Fantasy Football Help!!!! 
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:47:54 GMT

During the past FF season, I have held the No. 1 spot all year
my basic lineup has been.....
	Terry Allen, rb, MN
	Emmitt Smith, RB, Dallas
	Rodney Hampton, RB, NYG
	Hayward Jeffiries, WR, Houston
	Jeff Graham, WR, Pitts
	David Kreig, QB, KC
	KC Defense
	Cofer, PK, SF

Now during the last four weeks, I have been barely pulling off some
wins.  My production is down.....Need some advice for the playoffs
this week....

The rest of my roster is
	Hester, wr, INd
	Harper, wr, dallas
	Early, wr, NO
	Metzelaars, TE, Buffalo
	H. Jones, wr, MN
	
other defense and kicker is Cleveland, and Breech,cin.

So do I stick with my basic lineup, or go to some of my researves
for help......WHY?

dave
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Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Predictions for Week 15 and Results
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:41:53 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Here are the results of the computer program's Week 15 predictions.
The program picked 7 of 14 games correctly, which is below average.
For the season, it has picked 65% of the games correctly.
===



        
                     Week #15 Game Predictions


       Pittsburgh     __6   26          Cleveland      _14   25

     @ Chicago        _30   16        @ Detroit        _24   20



       New Orleans    _37   26          San Francisco  _20   29

     @ L.A. Rams      _14   16        @ Minnesota      _17   20



       N.Y. Giants    __0   25          Atlanta        _35   30

     @ Phoenix        _19   22        @ Tampa Bay      __7   22



       Dallas         _17   22          Denver         _17   22

     @ Washington     _20   21        @ Buffalo        _27   27



       Green Bay      _16   20          New England    _20   13

     @ Houston        _14   23        @ Kansas City    _27   26



       L.A. Raiders   __7   21          Indianapolis   _10   14

     @ Miami          _20   18        @ N.Y. Jets      __6   19



       Cincinnati     _10   18          Philadelphia   _20   25

     @ San Diego      _27   29        @ Seattle        _17   11
-- 
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu   sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact
Keep circulating the tapes.      on history." -- Dan Quayle, on Malcolm X

"Father yes son, I want to kill you.  Mother, I want to----WUAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"
	-- Jim Morrison, waxing poetic on family values
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:26:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.231930.28864@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>
>  All in all, I find that JOHN P. GLORIA's postings have less value than a
>  pimple on Babe Laufenberg's butt.
>
>  Basically, just ignore him, like you do when you're on the bus and someone
>  cuts a really nasty fart. Soon enough, the smell (GLORIA) will go away.
>
>--
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

Gary, your breath stinks, just like your life. I thought
I would tell you, since I am not one your friends. Oh,
I forgot, you don't have any friends. Your breath still
stinks and no amount of certs or gargling will help you,
you maggot breath.  You are just a sore loser and I have 
proved your wrong, you insignificant little blackhead.
If you can dish it out Gary, be prepared to take some.
IN YOUR FACE! Well, at least 10 feet away. Your breath
really does stink like shit Gary.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: playoff games question
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:03:37 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <92350.105902SLANE@ESOC.BITNET> SLANE@ESOC.BITNET writes:
>  Does SF play MIN because it has the worst record , or does SF play NO
>  because they are ranked lower ?

In recent years (last year?), the seedings have been changed so that
the team with the best record will play the team with the worst record.
Thus, the seedings can change in the playoffs.

I don't think this applies in the wild-card games, although it usually
works out that way anyway.

Daniel Welch
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From: jaeastman@anl.gov (Jeff Eastman)
Subject: Re: Shouldn't Emmitt's fumble be an incomplete pass?
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Distribution: inet
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:06:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.211806.19268@advtech.uswest.com>,
steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) wrote:
> 
> > = (Alan Martin) writes:
> 
> >Smith picking up the ball and shoveling it forward in an attempt to get the
> >ball to (I believe) Alfredo Roberts.  This was undeniably outrageously stupid,
> >*BUT*, what I want to know is why wasn't *that* ruled an incomplete pass?
> 
> I have a different question.  I saw a replay on MNF last night, and it
> sure looks like Smith's knee touched the turf before he "fumbled", which
> would have been a safety.  Anyone else agree?
> 
> -- 
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> | Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> steven@advtech.USWest.Com

In the NFL it doesn't matter if his knee touches the ground if he went down
of his own accord.  Maybe the refs felt he was not tackled.  Also, I don't
think the fumble could be classified as an incomplete pass unless there was
a clear intent to give the ball to a teammate. Lots of fumbles involve the
ball going forward.
_______________
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jaeastman@anl.gov
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:40:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Why do the 49ers get to play by different rules???!!!
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:33:39 GMT

jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>Next, late in the quarter Terry Allen is stopped just short of a first down
>near his own 30 with a little less than 2 minutes left.  Some big a**hole
>49er defensive player first holds Allens legs up in the air for several 
>seconds not allowing him to get up, then after he does, he shouts in Allen's
>face for several more seconds taunting him.  Allen NEVER DOES ANYTHING... he
>says like 2 words to the guy, NEVER MOVES TOWARD HIM, NEVER TOUCHES HIM, 
>NOTHING!  What happens?  The zebras, realizing that the 49ers will get great
>field position if they back up the Vikes, FLAG *ALLEN* for a 15-yd personal
>foul!!!  What the *HELL* was that???!!!  

	Allen kicked the defender while the ref was standing over the
pair. The 9er defender did look like he was being rude, but the zebras
have been allowing all the defenses to do rude things this year.

>I won't even get into the countless holding plays by 49ers tackles that go 
>unnoticed by the officials, while great Roger Craig runs get called back for
>holding that we never saw.

	Official instant replay is dead. Infractions are now called by
the officials and not subject to review. They occur when the official
sees them and not when you or the numbskull announcers see them. This
is a rather old football tradition going back (believe it or else) to
before there was any TV coverage of the game. Officials are human and
do make mistakes. The incidents mentioned in your post are examples of
good officiating as far as the evidence I saw on my TV. This cannot be
said for what happened to Aikman in the endzone at RFK. Don't expect
to see that referee in the Superbowl.

							--Sid
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:30:10 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Tiebreakers
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:49:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner) writes:

>Never trust the Morning News.  If Buffalo ties Pittsburgh, head-to-head is
>considered first and Buffalo wins.

>Nathan

True.  I have seen many playoff matchup blunders in the Morning News as
well.  Unfortunately, most of these were from the AP and UPI wires.  It's
hard to believe professional sportswriters can not take a sheet of records
and results and a list of tie breaking procedures and figure out who is
going to play each other.  Go figure...

--
Carl Koontz
ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:01:22 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <1992Dec17.165942.16972@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
> 
 >You better thank God that the Skins gave two games away (against the Cards and 
 >the Giants), or the Boys would have been 2nd place in the division (the Skins' 
 >6-1 vs the Boys' 6-2 in division record, the Skins 9-2 vs the Boys 7-3 in 
 >conference record). More evidence of "the Skins lost the division, the Boys 
 >didn't win it".
 >
 >-- 
 >                                          Edward Lor
 
If "If's and Buts" were candy and nuts it would be a sweeter world.....

Do the "Shark Dance"

Go Cowboys !!!!
tim

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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Packers and Robbins
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:53:15 GMT

In article <102001@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

>Back when the Pack was facing the much-hyped Eagles defense, Favre had
>good protection through much of the game.  Yesterday, against the Oilers
>pass rush, he was hurried, knocked down and sacked.  The big difference
>between the two games was the absence of Tootie Robbins in the latter.

>Is this guy THAT good??  If so, why on Earth did the Cards give him up 
>for a 6th round draft pick (yeah he's getting old but he must be effective)?

Robbins has been playing quite well this year--Green Bay got good
value for the 6th round pick, though Robbins is 34 years old.
Also, consider that his backup (Joe Sims) is young, inexperienced,
and was picked up on waivers early in the season.  Also, Sims
played DL in college, so he's presumably got a lot to learn.

-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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