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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:02:46 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Sep3.002337.9825@cabezon.uucp>, jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer) writes:
>Is the Shaq really whining, or just giving his standard answer to the question
>that he has been asked 9 gazillion times?  Sensitive, aren't we.  Lighten up :-)

You have a valid point in saying that he's had to answer this question a bunch
of times, and is probably tired of it.  That doesn't validate what he said,
however.  
  And I'm sucking on helium right now.  Happy?

--Rob Clough
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Danny Ferry - Did he err?
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:04:42 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <4829@news.duke.edu> radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <714682278@lear.cs.duke.edu>, rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
>
>>There was a fairly lengthy article recently in the Durham paper from an
>>interview with Ferry.  Though disappointed, he still feels he can be a
>>productive NBA player.  
>
>Ferry is a pretty clever player, and he usually has taken a couple of years
>to really adjust at every level he's been at.  His all-around skills were
>enough to allow him to dominate at the college level, but in the pros he's
			^^^^^^^^ pretty strong word there.  I always
	figured he'd be a flop and thought coach K's system had a lot to do
	with his success.

>become a jack of all trades, master of none.  However, he's the kind of 
>player that will only improve, as he picks up on certain things.  He'll never
>be a star, but he will be a valuable bench player three or four years down
>the road.  Since he was never a super athlete, the loss of these abilities
>will be more than be made up for by experience.  So I expect his PT to slowly
>rise as Nance and Hot Rod get older.  When given some extensive minutes (albeit
>in garbage time for the most part), he has shown that he can produce.  Give
>him ten minutes a game, and he might do well.  Of course, it's probably not
>worth it to the Cavs at this point to do that.

	He was often pretty bad whenever I saw him playing.
	Maybe you saw more games.
>
>>He feels that going to Italy hurt him in that you
>>don't play as much, and he also developed a knee problem which has hampered
>>his development.
>
>Yeah, but he got most of the PT when he did play, which he would not have 
>gotten as an NBA rookie.  

He would have gotten more pt playing with the clips.  He was billed as
"the next Larry Bird" (I wonder why), at least around these parts anyway.
I can't imagine the clips not wanting to showcase "the next Bird"
considering how badly they needed to draw fans, and get away from the
being known as the other LA.
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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Magic sign three
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:43:34 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

From McNews.... The Orlando Magic signed guard Anthony Bowie and came to
terms with Litterial Green and Donald Royal.  

--Rob Clough
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From: odavod@watson.ibm.com (David Owens)
Subject:  Memories of Bird
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:30:29 GMT
Reply-To: owens@watson.ibm.com (David Owens)
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

With all this talk of Jordan/Magic/Bird clips...

Several of the local news stations have run tributes to Larry
since the news of his retirement.  One of the better ones was
about 15 or 20 minutes of clips of great moments (including 
most of the memories people have mentioned here.)  They
were grouped kinda by subject....

3 dozen 3 ptrs including... a couple with defender(s) hanging
all over him... Larry receives the half-court pass, heads down
for an uncontested dunk, stops short at the 3 pt line (a defender
wizzes by), and calmy sinks a 3... Larry get the rebound under 
the net, instead of putting it back up he heads for the corner
and tosses up a 3... Larry tossing up the last shot in the 3 pt
contest and walking away, arms in the air as soon as he 
releases it.

3 dozen steals including... the feed to DJ... a couple of
make-em-look-silly-pocket-picking-from-behind's...  and 
several read-the-guys-mind-and-be-where-he's-gonna-
pass-the-ball's.

3 dozen super hustles including... the dive for the ball that 
landed him on his face and took him out of the game only
to return in the second half... several dives into the crowd
to save the ball.

3 dozen amazing no look passes each one better than the
one before.

3 dozen amazing off balance shots and fake-the-defender-out-
of-his-sneakers moves.

It's a great collection of clips.

It would be hard to pick a single clip that would sum him up as
a player because he's so well rounded... but if I had to I'd pick
the clip of him diving to the floor for a loose ball in the paint,
rolling onto his back, searching for an open man to pass to,
finally looking for the basket.  His eyes lock on the basket like
radar.  He's quickly surrounded by defenders so never takes the
shot... but it really shows his never give up, anything to win the
game mentality which I feel is what drives all the other aspects 
of his game.

Dave Owens
odavid@watson.ibm.com
From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Selling the Lakers short (was Re: Who's gonna win it all )
Date: 1 Sep 1992 11:05:36 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
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In article <1992Aug31.233028.744@cheshire.oxy.edu> creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:

>Well, here's my feelings concerning the Lakers.

>  Worthy is getting old, as

True, but we're only talking about next year.  How many small forwards
in the Western Conference are better?  Off the top of my head I'd say
there are probably two or three.

>are Perkins and Scott.

I don't see it in Perkins play.  Scott, who knows what kind of year
he'll have?

> Magic may play this year, but he won't be the player
>he was five or even two years ago.
        ^^^^         ^^^
        true         How do you know?

> Vlade remains inconsistant and for the greatest extent unproven.

True, but name a much better Pacific division center. (Note the word much.)

>The Lakers did make some good acquisitions in the
>off season, including their steal in the draft, Anthony Peeler.  But these
>will not a top division team make.

Don't forget about Threatt and Green, two great role players.  I'd put
Campbell in with Divac as inconsistant and unproven.  If they stay
healthy, the front line of Divac, Worthy, Perkins, Green and Campbell
is a damn good one.

>Let's be honest.... Seattle and Phoenix have improved, Portland without 
>question remains a better team.  Golden State is coming off a fine 
>season as well.  That places four teams in the Pacific which I believe

I think Seattle and Phoenix are both big question marks.  Seattle
seems like it's been 'young and dangerous' for a long time.  I'll
believe that they're a good team when they play well for an entire
season.  Phoenix could be great, but they've got a big hole at center,
and their bench is thin and unproven.  I agree that Portland is the
team to beat.  I can't comment on GS because I don't understand how
they won so many games last year.

>  San Antonio and Utah are givens in next years playoffs.

SA has lost Cummings and they have no point guard.  Even in the weak
midwest, I don't think they'll make the playoffs.

If Magic plays regularly and Worthy+Divac+Perkins stay relatively
healthy, I think that the Lakers will win 50+ games.  That might only
be good for 4th in the Pacific, but it hardly makes them cellar
dwellers.

chris
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:48:40 GMT

In article <4223@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:

> So what year *did* Michael win the All-Star MVP? Given that Magic won

     Jordan was All-STar MVP in 1988; he scored 40 points.
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From: richard@torag.guild.org (Richard Quan)
Subject: celtics mailing lists?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 04:55:38 GMT
Organization: Torag Public Access Unix, Toronto


Hi,
Is there a Celtics mailing list out there?  Is anyone, say a fan club, who 
runs or is thinking of running a Celtics mailing list?  If so, how do I join.

Thanks
From: wyattw@loowit.wr.tek.com (Wyatt Webb;6291592;92-835)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: stat software?
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:17:59 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Instrument Controllers and Software
In-reply-to: lange@bolger.andersen.com's message of 24 Aug 92 14:52:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.145205.20513@news.acns.nwu.edu> lange@bolger.andersen.com (Beth Lange) writes:

   Does any software exist for an Apple IIe to download (and maintain) stats  
   on pro basketball? (Preferably shareware or freeware).....

   I'm posting this for someone who does not have access to the net, and I do  
   not read this group so please respond directly to me.

   Thanks,
   lange@andersen.com


For that matter, does any sport statistics software exist for the Mac or
PC?  Thanks!

	-Wyatt
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From: dpugmire%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (David Pugmire)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Utah Jazz
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:03:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: hellgate.1992Sep3.110337.25928
Organization: University of Utah

> Does anyone out there have any info on the Jazz?  Their lineup?  How are
> they supposed to do this year?  It looks like the west will be more
> exiting than ever with Barkley on the Suns.  Now he and Malone can play
> each other twice as much.

It looks like their lineup should be

PG: J. Stockton  J. Humphries
SG: J. Malone    J. Humphries
SF: D. Benoit (?) T. Corbin   -Local papers speculate that Benoit will start
PF: K. Malone   L. Krystowiak (sp?) M. Brown
C:  M. Eaton  M. Brown

Local talk is that Utah is the team to beat this year in the west.  Even
though the Suns have Barkley, they still had to give up a lot to get him.
I guess only time will tell.
The Jazz management are claiming that with the acquistion of Humphries,
the Jazz will have the best 3 guard rotation in the NBA.
I think getting to the Western finals last year will boost their confidence
enough that it could be their year to make it to the big one.
I also can't wait to see Karl and Charles battle it out twice as much this
season.

dp

Jazz 4-3 over Bulls in 93 !!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Will Bird become a broadcastor?
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 00:35:17 GMT

Now that Larry Bird has retired, what are the chances for him to work for NBC
Sports?  It will be neat to see him on TV again.

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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:40:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.230144.44724@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>look at the play that, probably more than any, lives in peoples mind about
>Bird...  Stealing the inbound pass against Detroit.  Ironic that it was a
>great defensive play will be remembered.  

Anyone else think that steal says a lot more about Isiah at that time
than Bird?  There are lots of NBA players who look great on defense
when opponents make really dumb passes. 

To me, what made that a classic Bird play was not the steal, which 
virtually anyone could have made--it was the super-efficient,
on-the-money pass to DJ. 

Ken Bowers 
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal interview
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:40:59 GMT

In article <5011@news.duke.edu> radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.053957.28254@leland.Stanford.EDU>, terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>
>
>>About the Olympics, he said that he was very disappointed that he was not
>>selected for the Dream Team.  He said he was disappointed for himself, for
>>his family, and LSU.   He said that he definitely wants to be on the team
>>in 96, or the year 2000 if he does not make the 96 team.
>
> He has absolutely no right to whine about this!  If Shaq had made himself
>available for the world championships, Pan Am games, etc, when USA Basketball
>really needed him, then maybe he would have a case.  Laettner had put in his
>time, and deserved the slot.  Jimmy Jackson would have been another worthy
>choice.
>
>--Rob Clough

Cut this crap please !! Being chosen for the Olympics is a prestigious
issue and the BEST player should be given a chance (things such as availability
for other tourneys should not count).. And most certainly Shaq is a few
levels better than Laettner as a player.
I would guess that the guys in the selection committee are racists who
wanted to project a "nice image of the US" given that there are already
"too may bad guys" such as Charles Barkeley and Karl Malone. 


Just my opinion ... 


Harry 
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From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:53:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.153214.18438@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara) writes:


|> "afraid of no one except Larry Bird".  I have also always been a fan of
|> Magic, and consider Bird and Magic equals.  However, were I the owner
|> of the hypothetical team-to-beat-all, and had to choose from players IN
|> THEIR PRIME, Bird and Magic would get selected long before Michael. 
|> While Michael may be the best one-on-one player ever, Bird and Magic
|> brought out the best in those they played with, AND were always able to
|> carry the team on their shoulders when necessary. Their team play,
|> passing, motivational influence, leadership, etc, have not yet been
|> matched.  These are not issues of race and I am offended :-) when the
|> "if Bird were black..." comments are made.    
|> 
|> Rich Miyara

Remember that Magic played with Kareem and Worthy and Bird played with 
McHale and Parish. It isn't all that hard to "bring out the best" in 
players of that calibre. Jordan, on the other hand really hasn't had 
such great teammates. The only player (other than Jordan himself) on the
Bulls who comes close to the level of the above mentioned players is 
Pippen - in my opinion he's close but not quite there yet. So, I don't
think it is correct to criticize Jordan for not being a good "team
player" when he really hasn't had teammates good enough to take full
advantage to that aspect of his game.

Raghu
From: t9014192@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: REASON WHY AUST COULDN'T KICK DT
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:17:37 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <92246.152546U14540@uicvm.uic.edu>, U14540@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.035426.224@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
> (Bryan Lip) says:
>>
>>HERE ARE SOME VALID REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD BEAT THE USA TEAM THAT
>>COMPETED IN BARCELONA, COMMONLY KNOW AS THE DREAM TEAM (PROBABLY BECAUSE
>>THEY'RE ALL HALF ASLEEP?)


 >>2. THE NBA DOES NOT ALLOW A ZONE DEFENCE.... ONLY MAN TO MAN... HENCE WE
>>COULD EXPLOIT THIS INABLILITY ON THE PART OF THE USA..... AND AUSTRALIA
>>HAS BEEN PROVEN AS A VERY EFFICENT DEFENCIVE TEAM...
> 
>    I'll tell you what. It doesn't take too much skill to play zone defense.
>  I'll bet even five idiots such as yourself could probably play decent zone.
>  All zone defense is is five guys playing around the lane so no one can post
>  up or drive in. If you like jump shots then this is an excellent defense.
>  The NBA doesn't allow zone not because it is hard to play but because it
>  makes an exciting game boring. The reason many college stars don't make it in
>  the NBA is because playing a zone defense in college helped hide the fact that
>  they can't play man on man. By the way I really think Australia would have won
>  but now we will never know. Too bad.

   As an Australian, 2 things about the NBA amaze me:

                 1. Why Andrew Gaze is not playing, &

                 2. Why Luc Longley is.

       Luc Longley is a 7-foot dud. He was pathetic in the Olympics, 
     pathetic in Australia and I've no doubt he will be at his pathetic 
     best in the NBA. The idea that he could lead us to victory against
     the Wet Dream Team is hilarious.
        I just hope he never comes back.


    Gavin.
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:46:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Sep01.174603.41498
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep01.125914.7775@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>I'm trying to compile a list of awards that Jordan has received during
>his college and pro years.  Can anybody think of any others?
>
>In what years did he win the dunk competition?
>
>81-82  o ACC Rookie of the Year
>       o NCAA Champion 
>
>82-83  o NCAA Player of the Year

	o NCAA All-American First Team
>
>83-84  o NCAA Player of the Year
>       o Gold Medal on Olympic Basketball Team

	o NCAA All-American First Team
>
>84-85  o NBA Rookie of the Year
>       o NBA Scoring Champion (arguable, he led the league in points scored 
>         while B.King led it in average but Bernard only played 55 games)

	o NBA All-NBA Second Team
	o Schick Pivotal Player Award
>
>85-86  o Only played 18 games due to injury 
>
>86-87  o NBA Scoring Champion  
>       o NBA All-Star
	
	o NBA All-NBA First Team
>
>87-88  o NBA MVP
>       o NBA Scoring Champion
>       o NBA Defensive Player of the Year
>       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
>       o NBA All-Star
>       o NBA All-Star MVP
	
	o NBA All-NBA First Team
	o NBA Steals Leader
>
>88-89  o NBA Scoring Champion
>       o NBA Regular Season MVP Runner-Up (but was a 2-to-1 choice in
>         voting by peers)
>       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
>       o NBA All-Star
	
	o NBA All-NBA First Team
	o Schick Pivotal Player Award
>
>89-90  o NBA Scoring Champion
>       o NBA Regular Season MVP Runner-Up (again was favored in voting 
>         by his peers)
>       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
>       o NBA All-Star
	
	o NBA All-NBA First Team
	o NBA Steals Leader
>
>90-91  o NBA World Champion
>       o NBA Finals MVP
>       o NBA MVP
>       o NBA Scoring Champion
>       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
>       o NBA All-Star
	
	o NBA All-NBA First Team
>
>91-92  o NBA World Champion
>       o NBA Finals MVP
>       o NBA MVP
>       o NBA Scoring Champion
>       o NBA All-Defense (First Team)
>       o NBA All-Star
>       o Gold Medal on Olympic Basketball Team
	
	o NBA All-NBA First Team
>
>All-time Records
>----------------
>o Only player to ever lead league in scoring and steals in the same season
>o NBA career playoff scoring average leader (or at least he used to be???)
>o Only 2nd player to win NBA Championship and lead league in scoring 
>  the same season (Kareem 1971) -- he has done it twice

o  NBA Playoff record - most points  (63 vs Boston, April 20, 1986)
o  NBA Record (shared) - most free throws made in one quarter (14 vs Utah)
o  NBA Playoff record (shared) - most field goals in one game (24 vs. Clev)
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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:00:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug26.140055.24879
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug26.071535.29475@cco.caltech.edu>, chiu@sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu (John Chiu) writes:
|> In article <5598@igor.Rational.COM> msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
|> >
|> >It's an insult to a great player that people keep this "Bird would have
|> >been a nobody if he wasn't white" crap going on.
|> >
|> >I look at it this way: if you had to show a 5 second clip to capture the
|> >essence of Bird, Magic, and Jordan the Jordan clip would be a slam,
|> >the Bird and Magic clips would be amazing no-look passes to teammates.
|> >And I think THAT says it all.
|> >
|> >	-MSM
|> >
|> >________________________________________________________________________
|> >Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
|> >"Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
|> >[ insert tedious disclaimer drivel here ]                           IV-Q
|> 
|> Don't forget "the shot" of Micheal Jordan during the last 3.3s of
|> the Bulls-Cleveland game!
|> 
|> 
|> John Chiu
|>   

But if you have to pick ONE clip of Michael at his best, I would say THAT 
wouldn't be it... I personally would pick the same clip all the Gatorade
commercials picked, from the 91 Championships... with the switch-of-the-hands
lay-up.

-- Venk --