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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Emmitt passes Herschel
Date: 6 Nov 1992 21:15:48 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <BILLMS.92Nov6141039@dip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.161758.20192@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>
>   Herschel Walker w/Dallas:
>   Year Games    Att  Yards  Yds/Carry  TD  Rec  Yards  Yds/Rec  TD
>   1986   16     151    737    4.9      
>   1987   12     209    891    4.3      
>   1988   16     361   1514    4.2     
>   1989    5      81    246    3.0     
>   ----------------------------------
>   Total  49     802   3388    4.2   
>
>   Emmit Smith w/Dallas
>   Year Games    Att  Yards  Yds/Carry  TD  Rec  Yards  Yds/Rec  TD
>   1990   16     241    937    3.9   
>   1991   16     365   1563    4.3   
>   1992    8     200    896    4.5   
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------
>   Total  40     806   3396    4.2      32   94    618     6.6    1
>

While looking at the stats one finds that while Walker's production
in term of yards/carry has decreased with each year Emmit's case has
been just been the opposite. While I am not much inyo Cowboy's 
details it seems that as if the picks were not reason enough JJ had 
another reason to trade Walker.


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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:12:50 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


  
                  
                   FAN                           FAN OF
    
                  *1. Abhay                      Bills
                  *2. Dan Kary                   Dolphins
                   3. Chris                      Bills
                   4. Bill Perry                 Bills
                   5. Jon                        Bills
                   6. JMC162 Penn St. U.         Bills
                   7. delarocq North Car. St. U. Bills
                   8. James E. Kist              Bills
                   9. Richard Turner             Dolphins
                  10. Jim Bohy                   Dolphins
                  11. -doug THE dolfan-          Dolphins
  
                 * = Gentleman's bet
          
                   And the Excitement grows...

                                  -doug THE dolfan-
From: mh@controls.ccd.harris.com (Michael Haselden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys record
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:31:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccd.1992Nov10.133119.12450
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: mh@rs2


In article <1dmlbsINN6tn@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
|> I need the Cowboys win loss record from start to finish......
|> 60-61 to present.
|> 
|> Someone help !!!!!
|> 
|> Tim
|> 
|> -- 
|> Timothy B. Reynolds
|> CLINTON/GORE volunteer
|> Election Campaign '92
|> Houston, Tx 

The Cowboys all-time regular season record is 277-192-6 (wins-losses-ties),
including 8-1 this season. 

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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:18:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.141555.5585@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes:
>In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>
>Worst Moves(IMO):
>
>Bears giving up Wilber Marshall
>Colts giving up John Elway

Are you kidding?  The Colts' front office looks to this move as the impetus 
for their current rise in the NFL.

First of all, they couldn't have signed him.  If they didn't trade him he'd
be playing RF for the Yankees.

They picked up Pro-Bowl OT Chris Hinton and a number one pick for him.  The
#1 became OT Ron Solt, who was traded to the Eagles for another #1 who
became Andre Rison.  Rison and Hinton were traded to the Falcons for the
rights to #1 pick in the draft Jeff George.  This allowed them to trade
Chris Chandler for a #1 which became Quentin Coryatt.  So trading Elway
netted the Colts several pro-bowl players, some of whom have only passed 
through.  They currently have a terrific nucleus of talent around which to 
build a solid NFL team.  Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

Jason Gische
From: 343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (William Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lions Stats Wk 10 (THESE ARE STATS??)
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:46:44 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

Here's the Lion's stats for Week #10 vs. Dallas

Next Opponent:
In Pittsburgh

Game Summery
                       Dallas            Detroit*
Pts                     37                 3
Rushing                 37/158             22/124
Pass-Att                18/27              9/17
Pass-yds                398                201
Fum lost                1/1                2/1
Pos                     37:57              22:03

Passing:
Pete   6/10/69 II
Kramer 3/7/21  I

Rushing:
Sanders  18/108
Pete      2/9
Kramer    1/6
Stradford 1/1

Receiving:
Moore    4/57
Farr     2/14
Campbell 1/10
Perriman 1/6
Sanders  1/3

Kicking:
Hanson   1FG (36)

Sacks:
none

Interceptions:
 1- Blades or White (can't remember which,  and paper doesn't say!!)

Injuries:
Pete mild concussion in 3rd quarter

Game Summery:
   Ok,  so it was only a 17 point lead at the half,  but the end
result was the same.  Dallas in a blowout.  It's the worst pasting
of the lion's in a long time.   Sanders looked good,  but line
was terrible.  QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSEY APPROACHING!!!!!

News Items:

  Kramer has been getting more and more playing time each week,
and may be slotted for a start next week after Pete's concussion.
  Don't expect Detroit to rebound after this loss,  Pittsburgh
was edged out by Buffalo,  and will be looking to get back on
the winning track.  Lion's play is cold enough without having to
play in Pittsburgh.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Cities chosen for Super Bowl sites?
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:31:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.081216.14418@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>In article <Bx9H8o.GDE@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>>How are cities chosen for Super Bowl sites? Also, has there ever been a
>>Super Bowl in a city where that city's team is playing?
>
>As far as I can tell, this is as close as it comes:
>
> #   winner   loser  score       site     attend.          MVP
>---- -------------- -------   --------------------  -----------------
>XIX     SF vs Miami 38 - 16   Stanford     84,059   Montana, SF
                               ^^^^^^^^
The networks screwed this one up so bad it could be an answer to a triva
question. If you believe that the "site" is a city and not a school, then
they played in Palo Alto. After all, Pitt didn't play Rams at USC.

>XIV   Pitt vs Rams  31 - 19   Pasadena    103,985   Bradshaw, Pitt
>
>Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
>ps. peace
>
>.sig in for repairs
>
From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Patriot's midseason report card--- (yipe)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:44:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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Record breaking bad year for the Pat's. 
This is my subjective rating.


1. RECORD :	F-  (0-8)

		No wins. Worse yet, They had a chance to win about 4 of
                these games, but didn't do it.
		Goal for second half of season : D- (2 to 4 wins)

2. OFFENSE :	D-

		Due to talent level, the offense shouldn't be very good,
		but it is underavhieving even with it's low talent level.
		New players are struggling, but have been slowly improving.
                Goal for second half of season : C.

3. DEFENSE :	C

		The defense tends to have a strong start in every game, and
                do well for a good amount of time, but then break  down at
                some point in the second half.
		Goal for second half of season : B.

4. Special Teams : C-
	
		Few big plays on special teams. Other than that, very 
		very average.
		Goal fo second half of season : B.

5. Physical play : D

		Few big hits, poor tackling.
		Goal for second half of season : C.

6. Mental play : F
		
		Penalties, turnovers... absolutley terrible.
		Goal for second half of season : C.



Overall : D- or F.
	  Goal for second half of season : C.


		If the mental play and physical play could improve, this
		team would be back on track of it's original goal to be
 		about an average team.

		Unfortunately, The Pat's have just recently begun to play 
		better, and are now swamped with injuries.

Notes:	On the bright side, things don't look hopeless. The don't look good
	(I don't expect them to win 4 games this year), but I don't
	expect them to be blown out every game from now on.

	Injuries are absolutley critical. A number of starters are already 
	hurting. Imagine a Philly of Buffalo with 7 starters out. Starters
	need to get healthy, and Pat's fans need to cross their fingers
	for no more injuries.


This week is the Saints. I imagine the line will be about 16 points again.
Is this game south or north?

prediction : Saints by 10.




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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: potential new team ratings
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:32:35 GMT

un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>	ANy thoughts?

Yeah, here are some general thoughts.

Like any scientific theory, a formula for team ratings needs a test.
The first and obvious test is the cursory glance:  Does this make sense?
Do the good teams come out on top, and the bad on the bottom?  You seem
to pass this test, at least for now.

In the second test you want to look at more data.  Run your program on
the first few weeks of the season and see if it would have made sense
back then.  While you're at it, check the scores database in
wuarchive.wustl.edu and compute your power rankings for some previous
seasons seasons.  What kind of numbers do you get for the 1986 Bears,
the 1987 Giants, the 1990 Bills?  Can you tell from just glancing at
the numbers which teams had dominating seasons and which were merely
the best of the rest?

But the third test has to be predictive.  Can you use your ratings to
predict something about Sunday's games?  Just as an example, I have a
power rating program that told me last week that Phoenix, a 6 point
underdog at the Rams, should win by 2.6.  They won by 6.  Stuff like
that makes you trust a ratings program; I wish mine was so correct
more often.  But merely saying that Dallas is the best team is, well,
not much.

Keep crunching them numbers,

--Gidi
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Standings
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:51:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world,local
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov10.024834.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>  writes:
> Here are the current NFL standings, as reproduced by the computer
> program.
> ===
>       NFC West          Season      Home       Away  
>       -------------     W- L- T    W- L- T    W- L- T
> 
>       New Orleans       7- 2- 0    3- 1- 0    4- 1- 0
>       San Francisco     7- 2- 0    2- 1- 0    5- 1- 0
>       Atlanta           3- 6- 0    3- 2- 0    0- 4- 0
>       L.A. Rams         3- 6- 0    3- 1- 0    0- 5- 0

Shouldn't San Fran be on top?  They win out in "head-to-head" against New  
Orleans.

--------
Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA 
Subject: Re: Cowboys Meal Menu
Keywords: Any Team Can Lose
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:12:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.152759.8520@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
(John P. Gloria) writes:
|>In article <1992Nov12.023141.6498@bnr.ca> emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA  writes:
|>>In article <1992Nov11.155852.21792@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
|>>(John P. Gloria) writes:
|>>|>In article <BxJB9x.2Mp@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C.
|>>Bennett) writes:
|>>|>>
|>>  John I did not know you were Cowboy basher :) ,  but I know
|>>  what you desire is exactly what the CARDINALS  did to your
|>>  niners two weeks ago...........YESSSSSSSSSS.............ahem    :)
|>>
|>Like I said, ANY TEAM CAN LOSE. Apparently you cannot read.
|>READ MY TYPING..."Any team can lose." Therefore, all these 'Boyz
|>woofing is the perfect "classic" for losing the game they should
|>win. Yes, I do know, i.e., Cardinals beat the Niners. No big deal.
|>The Niners are still the team to beat at this point despite the
|>'Boyz most excellent performance to date. There will be mass
|>suicides in Tejas land if the 'Boyz choke at the end.
|>
|>Please FOOTBALL GOD, curse the 'Boyz to the point that will slide
|>to oblivion before our eyes. YES! Thank you, thank you, thank you,
|>O 'GOD! :-)
|>-- 

     Yes I can read, but why are you having to PRAY for the 
     Cowboys to lose ??   Is because they have a better record
     then your niners?  I know home-field advantage !!!

                     
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"Don't ever forget that any team on any given day can
 beat any team in the NFL" - Tony Bechtold

"Any team can lose" - J.Gloria
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Comments by niner fans after losing to Cardinals
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jono@cs.monash.edu.au (Jonathan Oliver)
Subject: Re: Rule Query - Offsetting Penalties
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:58:04 GMT

graeme@cs.uwa.edu.au (Graeme Reid) writes:

>What are the exact rules concerning offsetting penalties ?  I know that
>usually when both sides have a penalty they are offset and the down is
>replayed, regardless of the yardages involved.

I beleive there is a 15-5 rule which states that a 15 yard penalty will
not offset a 5 yard penalty. The 15 yard one is assessed.

	Jon Oliver
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: 0-16 Patriots ???!
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:44:13 GMT

In article <1dec87INNii9@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
 
>I'd like to know whether people think it is likely that the
>Pats will go 0-16 this year?
>
I think it is just as unlikely for a team to go 0-16 as it is for one
to go 16-0.  The league is too well balanced, and bad teams get weaker
schedules.
 
I will say, though, that if any team can do it...it will be the
Patsies.
 
Jim McMaster
From: fuller@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ilyan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Does anyone think Atlanta will win?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 02:51:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

	I believe Atlanta does have a chance to win this game. Although their
defense is rated low, they should be emotionally ready for this big game. There
have been plenty of upsets this season. Tolliver is from my high school in
Boyd, Texas. I have seen him lead his team to victory many times there and at
Texas Tech. I don't think the loss of Chris Miller will hurt Atlanta as much
as some might expect.
	I still feel that Atlanta is definitely the underdog, but the game
won't be giftwrapped for S.F.


	goodluck to both teams.
From: bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lawrence Taylor
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:16:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov9.231645.7656
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <-vaqt7j@lynx.unm.edu> jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (james webb) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
>Subject: Lawrence Taylor
>Summary: 
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: world
>Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
>Keywords: 
>
>
>	I'm suprised that there hasn't been more postings about Taylor's career
>ending injury. Being taken out of Giant stadium on a golf cart isn't really the
>way to end one of the greatest careers in pro football history. I've never 
>really cared for the Giants much, but we're talking about one of THE greatest
>players to ever play the game, and maybe the greatest defensive player that 
>will EVER play the game.
>
>	What's the deal with you Giants fans? The only mention of this that
>I saw was in a Packers fan game summary. Jeez, hazve some respect for the 
>greatest player your team will ever see.
>
>	No one man ever made more of an impact on football that LT did. The 
>sporting world has lost one of its best. A sad day indeed.
>
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>James Webb						   jawebb@leo.unm.edu
>
>GO Dolphins!!!!!!!!!!!!					rip kelly's fucking
>Go Cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!					heart out (again)

The injury, itself, is not career ending. LT said he would retire after this
season. The injury ended the season. The medical community has stated that he
can fully recover from this injury and could play again. The question remains,
will he?

As a 49er faithful, LT, to me is the most awesome defensive players I have ever
seen play. Beyond any physical dominance as a defensive player, it was clearly
his desire that got him 10 straight Pro-Bowl appearances. He is the ultimate
team member and I personally think he threw in the towel a couple of years
early.

bud
Pat Hauke
Sequent Computer Systems
Beaverton, Oregon
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: chandy@seas.smu.edu (Alexy Chandy)
Subject: playoff question
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:48:42 GMT

hey guys,

	Would anybody refresh me on how the teams are picked from each
	of the conferences for the playoffs?

						thanks..alex.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: FINALS - 10th week
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.042615.8886@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P.
 Gloria)    writes...
> 
>New Orleans  31 	New England  14 * FINAL

John forgot to mention that Thurman Thomas had more rushing yardage than the 
Patriots had yardage on offense. Then again, the Patriots had more yardage on 
returns then yardage on offense. Just when you think that this team will turn 
the corner, they generate that super turkey.

>Pittsburgh  20 		Buffalo  28  * FINAL
>  Thurman Thomas was truly awesome today.....
> 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
>I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: rantalmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Willie Soviet Drewery
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:23:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Ok, at this risk of sounding stupid, can anyone explain this Bermanism?

Willie Soviet Drewery

I just don't get it.
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: GIANTS news
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:08:18 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


In case you haven't heard, Lawrence Taylor, one of the best defensive players
ever (period), ruptured his Achilles tendon during the Green Bay game.  The
injury will sideline him for the entire season and seeing as how he was to
retire after this year, this Sunday's game was the last for him.

satish nair
From: imes@gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How Do you figure (Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Nov7.041942.13612
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <BxBuIt.Cw8@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.170655.9790@clpd.kodak.com> hammond@stimpy.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516)) writes:
>>I wish some Bills fans would not woof so loudly all the time.  Most of us

[...bulk deleted...]

>I agree that the Bills will be in trouble in a few years if they don't
>start doing something in trades and the drafts. You can balme Bill Polian
>for not picking up good players.

Yeah, it kinda reminds me of my other favorite sports team, Detroit Pistons.
They had their two wonder years but since they failed to acquire any decent 
draft choices (whereas Chicago did), now they have an team of old men and some
rookies that don't really know how to play yet.  It seems that if the Bills
don't get some good talent on the draft or trades (maybe we'll get someone good
for the Seals trade...or did we already?  Can't recall) then Buffalo's gonna 
head down the path with the Pistons, the Mets, and the Islanders of pro sports.

>>
>>  Anyway, GO BILLS, but let's be a bit more realistic (and less obnoxious)
>>regarding our posts.  

Definately, once a Bills fan, always a Bills fan (even thru 2-14 seasons...die
hard baby, die hard...) <--- speaking of which, Fred Smerlas has gotta feel 
right at home with the Pats (outside of the fact that he actually lives there)

>
>Yes, let's not lower ourselves to the level of some of the Miami fans (no
>need to mention names, EVERYONE knows who I'm talking about).

(I still hum a certain tune in my head come Sunday's....)
('I gotta feeling, that's Buffalo's going to the SuperBowl....')
(Just gonna be tough this year....still, Oakland won SB XIII(?) on a wildcard)

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CIS Undergraduate Student	                 "The brain doesn't need blood,
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