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From: jdliss@unix.amherst.edu (Jeff Liss)
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:06:55 GMT

Peter Reiher (reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu) wrote:
> "Bram Stoker's Dracula" grossed $30.5 million last weekend, the third
> biggest opening weekend of the year and the biggest non-summer opening
> weekend for any film ever.  This figure is actually a slight disappointment
> for Columbia, as they had estimated a $32 million gross, based on Friday
> and Saturday numbers, but counting all the dollars coming in is likely to
> make them forget the slight shortfall in the final figure.
> 
Yes, I think alot of people were surprised.  I think that my local theater
would have put it on two screens had they known; then maybe I would have
gotten a chance to see it!
 
> Based on the opinions people have been expressing here and elsewhere,
> I suspect that "Bram Stoker's Dracula" is going to have a tremendous
> dropoff this coming weekend.  It clearly isn't precisely what people
> were hoping for, and "Malcolm X" can be expected to draw away some of
> the crowds.  But it's not unreasonable to expect this film to end up
> grossing $60 - $100 million in the US alone, making it a huge hit.
> That probably means that the Branagh "Frankenstein" will get made,
> and we might well see remakes of other 30's horror classics, such as
> "The Mummy".  It is also very good news for those hoping to see
> "Interview With the Vampire" made into a film.  According to the LA
> Times, there was renewed interest in that property before "Bram Stoker's
> Dracula" was released, and the instant success of that film makes the
> Rice novel look like a very hot property.
> 
A few bits on these.  I know nothing about Frankenstein, but I know that
Clive Barker has been developing a remake of the Mummy story (all the
reviewers are saying that this story was incorporated into the Coppola
film).  I think he was planning on directing it, but I don't know if he
has given up on it or what.

About Rice: well she finally wrote the script, as others were writing it
and screwing around with the story alot and she wasn't happy about that.
But now that she has no producers or directors are really interested, no
one big.  She was talking in an interview about how all the good directors
aren't interested in making other people's ideas of films; they want to be
auteurs (except Coppola I guess, having been at the bottom of the heap for
a while.)  Her book The Witching Hour to which she is currently writing
a sequel is full steam ahead, however, with Richard Donner (Lethal Weapon)
at the helm.  Anne Rice also mentioned that perhaps interest was actually
down since the other Dracula was being made, competition-wise.

> -- 
> 		Peter Reiher
> 		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
> 
	Jeff Lis
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:14:56 -0500 
From: Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg <bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Joan of Arc gossip

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.movies: 19-Nov-92 Re: Joan of Arc gossip
by hist1261@waikato.ac.nz 
> >>Sinead, as Joan of Arc?  Is this some kind of sick joke?
> > 
> > Actually I think it's quite appropriate for someone with Sinead O'Connor's
> > beliefs to play Joan of Arc.  She seems to stand against ignorance,
oppressi
> on,
> > and hatred in the same way that Joan of Arc did.
>  
> And thousands of Catholics also want to burn her at the stake.
> I can't see her topping Falconetti's performance though.
>  
> Richard.


Who is Falconetti?  I would love to see a good version of the Joan of
Arc story on film.  As much as I like Ingrid Bergman, the old (1951?)
version doesn't quite do it for me.

About the new one, I read (in Us magazine) that Sinead O'Connor is out
of the running, because of the hubbub over her ripping a picture of the
Pope on Saturday Night Live.  Instead, Winona Ryder is now being
considered.  I can't imagine anyone in the world better suited to the
part, but I might be biased
:-)

-Ben
bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu
E-mail me for info on the Winona Ryder newsletter!
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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Film/TV Trivia Quiz Answers: All Actors Big- and Small-Screen, Part 3
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:21:24 GMT

In article <92328.125951U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
> Films                                            TV
>
> 4. The Sure Thing                                F. Family Ties
>                                                     (Daphne Zuniga) /
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Daphne Zuniga was not on Family Ties, you are thinking of Justine
     Bateman.

>
>                                                 Mitch Pravatiner
>                                                 U15289@uicvm.uic.edu

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite Vampire one-liners
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:40:10 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <Bxwxzq.IHn@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>Here are my favorite vampire one-liners from the Vampire movies I have seen:
>
>	Listen to them....children of the night -- Dracula (Lagosi version)

    Listen to them....children of the night, What music they make!
                            Bram Stoker
From: jii@rhi.hi.is (Jon Ingi Ingimundarson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Posters - Mail-order firms.
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:56:16 GMT

Hi there,

I'm looking for a good mail-order firm to buy film posters from.
Preferably horror, sf and HK films.  Can anybody recommend a good
firm that offers overseas shipping?

I'm both looking for new and old posters and not any collectable 
first printings.

Oh, and i'm not just looking for firms in the US although I would
think that they have the best availability and best prices.

Thanks,

jon ingi,
jii@rhi.hi.is
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From: hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Ttewelb C.L. Dlanod)
Subject: Rising Sun, again, an apology
  
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:42:37 GMT


   Hey, guys, don't bite my head off, if I made a mistake, I apologize.  When I 
read the post it clearly stated "Philip Kaufman's The Rising Sun".  I went to
my public library to check, and while there was no book by Kaufman, there 
were THREE books all titled The Rising Sun, or Rising Sun, (and Sudbury's 
library is not that large).  Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see Crichton's
Rising Sun on the big screen, and when I read that post, I was really upset
to think it was a different book. 
   Anyway, I have seen some debate about various Crichton novels and whether
they would make good movies or not.  While I did like Sphere, I don't think
it would work well as a movie.  Same for Congo, (my personal favourite).
I do however think the Great Train Robbery would translate to the big screen 
quite well and perhaps The Terminal Man also.

So once again, my most humble apologies, and I'll see you at the movies.

Donald L.C. Blewett

hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentain.ca

Ooh Master, you're so EVIL!!!!!

    ;->  Evil Grin!

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From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Highlander 3? Ye Gods, NO!
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:21:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: GRASP Lab


Unfortunately, Highlander 3 is on the way
(I know it from people who've been actually
working in the crew), and about six months ago,
it was called: "Highlander 3: The wizard".


And it takes place on Zeist.


And I won't go and see it.

Oh well, maybe.... ;)


JM.
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From: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U)
Subject: Re: why the hang-up on NC17?
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.235655.2515@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
>Canada does not *have* a national system of film censorship or classific-
>ation.  This is under provincial jurisdiction; the feds only get involved
>if something is deemed obscene and thus banned outright.  In the past
>films have also been banned at the provincial level.

But the levels of classification are basically the same in each province.
(AA in Ontario is the same as "14 years" in B.C., which is the same as "A"
in the Maritimes..., similarly with the rest of Ont's ratings of F, PG, AA,
and R.)

>The above remarks presumably refer to the Ontario system, since the
>poster is in Ontario.  Indeed we don't have an exact equivalent of the US
>"R" here, but we do have "AA" which denies admission to those under 14
>unless accompanied by an adult.

Which is practically the same as PG-13 in the US.

>> (Many films which would be
>> rated 'X' or 'NC17' in the US are given an 'R' ('18') rating in Canada.)
>
>I must disagree.  There *aren't* many films rated NC-17 in the US, and from
>what I read in the papers, most of the "traditional hard-core porn" X-films
>would be denied a showing here one way or another.  However, it is true
>that many films rated *R* in the US get R in Ontario, and thus although
>Ontario's R has the same force on viewers as the US's X/NC-17, it does
>not have the "taint" of porn.

If you look through the Entertainment section of most Canadian newspapers
(especially the 'Sun' (of Sunshine Girl/Boy fame)), you will find (if you
look hard enough) small adverts for sex films, all of which have an "R"
rating (and in Ontario, a warning "Sex Film").  I'm pretty sure (though not
100% certain, as I don't watch this type of film anyways) that these same
Sex Films would go under an 'X' rating in the U.S. (or possibly NC17, but
I'm not certain about that).

>-- 
>Mark Brader		  "We may take pride in observing that there is not a
>SoftQuad Inc., Toronto	   single film showing in London today which deals with
>utzoo!sq!msb		   one of the burning issues of the day."
>msb@sq.com		      -- Lord Tyrell, British film censors' chief, 1937

-- 
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those who wait...	       Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 3B7
From: jsabel@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:28:48 GMT
Subject: Re: goldthwait/brown movie title?
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
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SHAKES THE CLOWN
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Anthony Hopkins
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:03:26 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

In article <BxtIqu.3u2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup) writes:
>Would love to know of other movies he has been in.  Just rented "84
>Charing Cross Road" which was nice.  And will be seeing "Dracula" at
>some point.  Have seen "Silence of the Lambs".    Any suggestions/
>reviews would be very welcomed.... thanks.

One of my favorites is the TV remake of Dark Victory he made with
Elizabeth Montgomery.  I liked it better than the Bette Davis original,
and Hopkins was *very* sexy in one of his few real romantic roles.
.
.
.
.
.
.
From: anamr@cats.ucsc.edu (Ana M Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:23:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



I loved the movie Dracula very much. A very nice story,  fine acting,
Unique characters, and fine elaborate sets and costumes.  My only complaint is
that I wish the characters were brought out more.  Like had a few more scenes
between Mina and Jonathan, and also between Lucy and Arthur.

Bye...
From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula sucked
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:00:46 EET
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

Of course he sucked.  He's a vampire.

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From: stranger@watserv.ucr.edu (Katherine T Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Raul Julia in "The Plague"
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:33:39 GMT
Reply-To: stranger@watserv.ucr.edu


In the Pantages Theatre playbill of the Raul Julia
and Sheena Easton revival of "Man of La Mancha" 
from Los Angeles, the credits section of Mr.Julia
says that he has made (or will make) a film version
of Albert Camus' "The Plague."  I like Raul Julia's
acting and I *love* Albert Camus, so I'm wondering
if anyone out there knows anything about this.  I
read about this from the playbill on 18 Decmeber 
1991 when I saw the show.  It's been almost a year
now and I haven't heard of a release date or any-
thing.  So if there is some sort of information
out there, please respnd directly to me instead
of posting.  

Thanks in advance.

			The Stranger
			stranger@watserv.ucr.edu
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula"
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 05:14:11 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:

> I was under the impression that Tom Waites [sic] played Renfield, but he
> is never mentioned in any of your reviews/comments.  Is he in it? 

He is, but doesn't get much screen time.  The Renfield role isn't as 
prominent in Coppola's version as in, say, the Bela Lugosi version.
Waits seems to be having fun, though.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: barrus@cod.nosc.mil
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:22:42 GMT


>> His movies reflect (and encourage) thinking in very limited terms.
>
>I think just the opposite. These movies serve a very useful function
>of exposing middle class whites (like myself) to points of view other
>than the ones we meet in our day to day lives. And, in fact, these are
>points of view that we as a nation will have to understand and do
>something about. What were the LA riots other than the result of the
>people in power in this nation ignoring exactly the problems presented
>in this movie?
>

Wait a minute.  If this were true, why does he seemingly go out of his way to 
piss the middle class whites off before they ever even get a chance to go see 
his movies.  Statements in the press showing his separist views and his "white 
people just don't get it attitude" are enough that I wouldn't spend any money 
to finance his future projects of trying to push his opinion down my throat.  
Same reason I won't see Oliver Stone films.  Maybe if I was involved in the 
film industry I would see them because it would be my job, but I am not, so I 
can make a choice.  If he was trying to make films to enlighten white folks, 
then he would be better served by trying to get whites to go see the film 
rather than alienating them.  It seems that he is making films to enlighten 
only black folks as if white folks don't fit in the equation of eventual 
racial harmony.  To me this is severely limited thinking if not actually 
racist.

JDB
From: spongebo@cithara.uucp (THE EYE-BALL KID)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: DAVID LYNCH\DUNE
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:30:09 EST
Organization: Local Testbed for network mail, we trust!

lcd@ais.org (Leon Dent) writes:

> IMHO, Dune should have been TWO movies, with the break coming at the death
> of Yueh (Yueh! Yueh! Yueh!) and the escape into the desert.
> In any case, the screenplay passed through the hands of many writers on
> its way to the screen.
> 
> Leon Dent
> lcd@ais.org


That's right, the script was atempted by many people many times. However, 
the Lynch version is "credited" to David Lynch. More nfo on the "DUNE" 
production saga would be appreciated here.

I know that Ridley Scott took a shot at it, and someone wanted to write a 
version where Paul and Jessica had an incestuous relationship -- they
were into that sort of thing back then. But to the best of my knowledge 
these events preceeded Lynch's version by several years.


Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)

spongebo@cithara.uucp
From: trb@cbnews.cb.att.com (tom.balent)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Gary Sinise
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:29:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov15.192920.17019
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1689E8159.M22110@mwvm.mitre.org> M22110@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>I was very impressed with Gary Sinise in OF MICE AND MEN.
>Does anyone know what other movies he has been in?
> 

Last spring's A Midnight Clear. 
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From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Subject: Re: BSD did NOT SUCK!!!!
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:29:52 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.162332.21387@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, awalsh@mta.ca
>(Andrew Walsh) wrote:

>> This is a GOOD MOVIE. Don't let people tell you it's a total waste
>> of money, go see it for yourself. And those of you who were distracted
>> by Keanu's performance, or anything else you didn't like, try it again
>> and ignore those problems. It's a visionary piece.

>I agree.

==>  Seconded.  :-)

lon
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:14:07 EST
From: <MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: re: Stories for woman's studies

I may have the title wrong...but wasn't there a film called:
  The Story of Woman.
I saw it a while back.  Seems like it had Catherine DeNeuve in it and
told the story of a woman in War time and after war time France and the
things she had to to do to survive...to take care of her kids...and the
story ultimately leads up to her execution.
   Another good film:  Diary of a Mad Housewife.  Carrie Snodgrass and
Richard Benjamin.  50s style feminine mystique angst.
            I'll keep thinking.             Melissa Brown
From: myra@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Myra VanInwegen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:40:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <mattm-191192132751@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com
(Matthew Melmon) writes:
>I have the same problem with Lee.  Anything and everything is 'racism.'
>Why didn't _Do the Right Thing_ win an Oscar?  Because it was primitive,
>dull, poorly-written, and of minor appeal?  No.  It was racism.  Lee's
>been crying about racism since a white doctor slapped his black butt.

"Primitive, dull, poorly-written, and of minor appeal"? Did you and I
see the same movie? No matter what you may think of the content, how
could you watch this movie and not recognize that this is a fine
example of the artistic possibilities of the movie media? I've pointed
out, in an earlier article in this thread, some of the techniques that
make this film a real visual treat. And, unlike many artistic films,
this one really *moves*. It draws you into the story, drags you along,
(OK, so there are some quiet moments between Mookie and his
girlfriend, but besides this...)  and doesn't let you out until the
end. As for writing, the dialog is snappy and sounded authentic to me.
Or do you think that lots of swear words automatically means that the
writing is poor?

Now it's your turn to attempt to justify your statements.

Personally, I think it deserved an Oscar. It was by far the best
American film I saw that year. So, why didn't it get it? Because it
was too artistic, and American audiences usually like their films to
tell their stories using more standard methods? Or because the subject
matter is capable of stirring up so many strong and often angry
feelings?

Now don't think that I'm supporting this film simply because I agree
with its message. Take another film, STRAIGHT OUT OF BROOKLYN. The
idea here is that whites are oppressing blacks, making an separate and
inferior world that is not worth living in. But you could legitimately
say of this movie that it was "primitive, dull, poorly-written, and of
minor appeal". A good theme does not make a good movie, no matter how
hard it tries.

>His stories are contrived.  His characters are contrived.
>His camera angles are contrived.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Do you feel this way about Orson Welles too? Remember, Welles was
American director whose vast talent was squandered because his
storytelling techniques were so revolutionary that the public didn't
understand them. I'm thankful that this is not happening to Spike Lee.

-Myra
myra@saul.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:09:27 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies

In article <1992Nov17.164206.22179@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
(Peter Reiher) wrote:

> Based on the opinions people have been expressing here and elsewhere,
> I suspect that "Bram Stoker's Dracula" is going to have a tremendous
> dropoff this coming weekend.  

You have not read the comments here very well, then.  It is very
significant that women have all reported liking the film.  As
David Selznick said:  woman are the market.  This has been dimmed
somewhat by the teenage-boy-I-want-more-blood-and-I-want-it-now market
(and we have had such comments here).  But women are still a
tremendous force in cinema marketing (and in book publishing, for
that matter).

I suspect the huge bubble was the teenage-boy-I-want-blood-now
crowd getting their angst in early.  Even if that segment didn't
get what it wanted, the movie still stands a good chance of topping
that ultimate teenage-boy-bloodfest - T2 - on the strength of
female attendance alone.  And in foreign release, its appeal will
probably be even higher (I suspect it will blast records right and
left in Europe and Japan).
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From: tanida@seismo.CSS.GOV (Tom Tanida)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: ALADDIN INSIGHT
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:48:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Distribution: na

Has anybody actually checked the credits?  I have Bruce Adler listed
in the soundtrack as singing "Arabian Nights" on the CD.

-Tom
tanida@esosun.css.gov
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite Vampire one-liners
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:19:19 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <3220095@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gorrindo@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Sue Gorrindo) writes:
>"I don't drink wine " -
>
>        *pregnant pause*
>        
>    " and I don't smoke shit"
>
>(George Hamilton to Susan St. James in Love at First Bite when she
> offers him a joint and a glass of wine.)

You must have seen the tv version. The original is better. SSJ offers GH
some wine and offers him a joint, saying it's really good shit. He replys
'I don't drink wine
	and I don't smoke .... shit.



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