HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: The ending of relationships
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:35:48 GMT
Organization: The Evening Herald

Well, I'm a happily married newlywed (1 year and change) but am having a 
hard time remaining monogomous, what's your phone number ?


					-CFK
From: Schiffman@The Wharton School (Jan J. Schiffman)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Beastiality from Kane - Please Read
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:01:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Well Dennis,
	I'm the Charles Foster Kane you've been so excited about. You can 
now respond to my post directly and not have to run to your sysop if I 
offend you. Very childish behavior... You did not run to my sysop, just the 
school administrator. I'm my network administrator and you can tell 
whomever you want about my posts. Read the RFCs for the netnews, I've 
broken no rules or "laws", I just pissed you off and that's too bad. As for 
my address anyone with any experience on the net could find the Internet 
host name left in my header. I don't even consider what you did here to be 
"snitching", if you don't like a post ignore it, don't display leaning 
toward fascism and try to control what others do. Remeber this is dnot any 
more your group than mine, this is the Internet it belongs to all of us 
equally, to childern like yourself and jerks like me.


					-Jan Schiffman
					 Computing Administrator
					 Department of Management
					 The Wharton School
					 University of Pennsylvania
					 (215) 898-9796
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook)
Subject: Need Encouragement
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:02:13 GMT

The latest in my saga.....My husband and I did separate.
I moved into my new place yesterday....It's nice so I'm
taking care of myself that way...sigh....

I just feel sadddddddd.....I'm  functioning, but I'm
not getting much mail so my mind is dwelling on the
sad....I know this is the worst part....getting used
to waking up alone....sniff, and I know it will get
better, but some loving hugs and words of encouragement
would be greatly appreciated.   I miss my kitty too
so some purrs might help....:-<
From: Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Held at gunpoint!
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:28:19 GMT
Organization: The Evening Herald

What would have happend if you had been shot?
a) Funeral expenses
b) Current homocide statistics +1
c) Saved bandwidth on the Net
d) friends would find odd soiled items in bottom of closet

Better luck next time.

					-CFK



Newsgroups: alt.support
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: Informing on Others
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:45:53 GMT

In article <lgvlpbINNioo@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> seeker@openroad.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>
>...Jeepers Dennis,
>
>Maybe the time is ripe for you to get a new newsgroup together called
>alt.snitch; I'm certain it would be a big hit with supervisors,
>managers, police and all sorts of other authority figures around the
>world............Island's Child is right; there is no place for this
>sort of thing on alt.support.
>
>
Ok,Ok, I admit that it *was* poor judgement to tell his sysop that he 
s a jerk. I offered an apology in a pervious post. There is no way I would
have forwarded all or any part of the text of that, or any other post. If
Mr Kane had any guts at all, he would have used his own account, or at
least replied. Having said that, I am in the wrong on this one. Can we put
the issue to bed?t
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: das@media.mit.edu (David Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Please help, someone is following me.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:20:03 GMT

I totally agree with Annie--go straight to the Police and CP's.
It's too dangerous to risk that he *might* be a risk.  Even if he's
not actually a threat to your life or health, what he's doing is
harrassment, and you should easily be able to get a court order 
which would prohibit him from contact with you.  Note that this often
causes a reaction in the perpetrator and you should take precautions
for your own safety during this time.  Take care of yourself, and
also get help from the authorities which are charged with protecting 
the peace to do their job!

--das dave
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Held at gunpoint!
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:57:06 GMT
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com


In a recent missive mcintosh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (aubrey mcintosh) tells us:

...

>In my own case, I went to the carport door, opened it, and called the cat.
>Guess what! He came.  It terrified me, since my daughter and I were gunshot
>8 weeks ago today, and her boyfriend had just appeared from the same
>direction at that same door and started shooting.

>I'm not generally terrified or unable to go about life,
>except that anytime I am idle, such as riding the bus, I replay the call
>to 911.

>Life is indeed fragile, and I don't know why I'm here.  I don't know why
>my daughter is gone.  But even before the shooting it was possible for us
>to be killed in a car wreck on the way home, and I pretty much go about
>life even with that possibility in the background.  

...

>Aubrey McIntosh  /  Chemistry  /  University of Texas  /  Austin, TX 78712

I would never mention these things openly, had not Aubrey himself
brought them up.

Aubrey, you are a constant source of amazement and inspiration to me.
That you are here, extending a hand of support, drawing from your own
experience, after your own recent loss, and horrifying ordeal, speaks
sheer volumes as to the kind of human being you are.  One I am damned
proud to be associated with.

I only hope that the rest of us here can learn from you, and also can
give to you the support that you are so willing to give to others.

With intense admiration,

Annie

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From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Need Encouragement
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:51:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <BxtGJr.GuJ@tct.com> lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook) writes:
>
>I just feel sadddddddd.....I'm  functioning, but I'm
>not getting much mail so my mind is dwelling on the
>sad....I know this is the worst part....getting used
>to waking up alone....sniff, and I know it will get
>better, but some loving hugs and words of encouragement
>would be greatly appreciated.   I miss my kitty too
>so some purrs might help....:-<

Sounds like you are going through the grief process due to your
relationship ending. This is normal though it doesn't make you
feel any better. This will pass and you will meet some wonderful
people out there that will nuture you and think you are the 
greatest thing on this earth. There are new adventures to explore
new people to meet, a new life for yourself to start. Just look
in the mirror and think how special you are and how much gumption
it took for you to move out on your own! Nothing but respect for
you here! Hugs and good luck to you. There are bunches of us out 
here pulling for you!!!!!

Jeff
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Newsgroups: alt.support
From: dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re:ANGER/solutions
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:15:31 GMT

-- I have experienced a stressful job situation as well as the lack of option
to change--partly because of the economy and partly because of age
discrimination.  Something that helped me deal with anger towards my boss and
some co-workers is a book called Dance of Anger by Harriet Goldhor Lerner.
I believe it's available in paperback now.

She explores the fact that you/I/we cannot MAKE another person change.  The
only thing that you/I/we can do is change ourselves--OUR responses.

Sometimes, we're just not strong enough or at a point where we're willing to
take the risk of doing this.  Because if WE change, the other person will
be thrown out of sync; the expected response won't be there any more.

In my case, I had to deal with co-workers' perceptions and a boss who doesn't
know how to be one.  She prefers to keep people happy according to their
pecking order and I was pretty low in the chicken yard.

So I sat down and made a list of my perceptions of co-workers. I tried to think
clearly about their personalities, what I liked and didn't like about them,
especially what I didn't like in relation to their interaction (or lack of it
with me.  It took awhile but a pattern emerged of the administrators wanting
a "mommy" figure rather than a professional type person, at least as far as
they personally were concerned.  Perhaps this kept them a notch above, I
don't know.

Changing jobs was not an option so I had two alternatives.  Seething inwardly
at the way they regarded me/my position, or becoming the best damn actor
I could.

I opted for the latter because my job provides a way for me to live; it is
not my life.  I do not have to socially interact with my co-workers.  I do
need money to pay my mortgage and buy some simple pleasures like food for my
pets.  So I CHANGED.  Not a lot at first because it wasn't easy.  I took over
the coffee pot in the morning.  Not hard to do because I like a good cup of
coffee and made it better than anyone had tasted in a long time.  I made sure
we would never run out of supplies (no one ever tells me when they take the
last of anything) by ordering a lot and keeping one of everything in my
locker or bottom drawer.  That buys me time to re-order.  I made it a point to
say something pleasant to everyone first thing in the morning (that over I
didn't have to talk to them the rest of the day if I didn't want to--aside
from business).

These are just a few of the changes--there were more as I went along,
especially towards my boss.  The results were not instantaneous but they
did happen.  I'm still not delighted with work and would change
if the opportunity occurred.  The benefit is I'm in control where it matters.
What they do CAN BE CHANGED BY WHAT I DO!  And I make the decisions about 
what I do.


Deb
dwhitney@hamp.hampshire.edu

Newsgroups: alt.support
From: irving@halcyon.com (Larry Gilbert)
Subject: Re: How to become free of need for relationships?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:37:45 GMT

Someone out there may want to comment on or modify my advice, so I'm
making it public.  Disclaimer: I am not an experienced advice giver, but
I play one on TV. :)

It sounds to me like you and Amy expect different things out of your
relationship.  You are interested in her romantically (correct me if I'm
wrong), she wants you for support when she goes through "crises" but
isn't much interested in anything beyond that.  If you are in fact 
interested in her romantically, you may need to lower your expectations, 
at least for a little while.  

In any case, if you want to continue your friendship, it would be a good
idea to discuss your and Amy's expectations.  Try not to be accusing in
tone ("I always... but you never...").  It's best to talk about this
with her when neither of you are angry or vulnerable.  Make your needs
and feelings clear, but also be understanding and receptive to hers.
This will make finding solutions easier.

Despite it all, you may decide you just aren't interested in continuing
your "friendship".  If you aren't, don't.  If she is using you as a 
crutch, and you don't like it, you don't have to be there.

Do what is best for YOU.  If you are anxious about finding that mythical
perfect SO, maybe you need to take a break from that for a while.  Make
some new friends.  Do fun things with your guy friends.  Or do things on
your own; being alone is not necessarily a last resort, and it gives you
the freedom to do things you enjoy most, on your time, without anyone 
bugging you! :)

Again, like I said, someone may want to add to or dispute this advice, so
stay tuned for a few days and see if any more ideas come in.

-- 
Larry Gilbert  :  irving@halcyon.com
"We believe in GOOD jobs, FAIR jobs, and DIGNIFIED jobs for real wages.  Oh,
did you say 'drugs'?"  "Okay ... we believe in FAIR drugs, DIGNIFIED drugs that
give you a GOOD sense of identity."     --Consolidated
From: Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Beastiality
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:39:56 GMT
Organization: The Evening Herald

Recently I've come to terms with my animal lust. I was at home sodomizing my 
cat when my wife arrived home early from her therapy. We were considering 
divorce but thanks to a robbery at gunpoint and lots of anger, we are now 
able to work out our problems by writing them down and electronically 
distributing them to strangers.

Thanx for listening, assholes.

						
Newsgroups: alt.support,alt.recovery
From: rks@cscns.com (Island's Child)
Subject: Re: Beastiality
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:58:20 GMT

Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane) writes:
: Recently I've come to terms with my animal lust. I was at home sodomizing my 
: cat when my wife arrived home early from her therapy. We were considering 
: divorce but thanks to a robbery at gunpoint and lots of anger, we are now 
: able to work out our problems by writing them down and electronically 
: distributing them to strangers.
: 
: Thanx for listening, assholes.
: 
: 						
Jerk!


Newsgroups: alt.support
From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Subway Sandwichs: What's its Nutritional breakup ? 
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:40:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.083353.13149@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Just a couple of months back, Subway started to offer the "cheese and 
>veggies" sandwich (only $1.49 for 6"). Would anyone have a rough 
>idea of the nutritional breakup in 6" sandwich ? If my estimates
>are right, then it should be probably about a 100 calories from 
>the wheat bread and another 100 from the veggies and another 50 
>from the single cheese slice (total 250).  I find that a 6" 
>
>

I really like those Subway veggie & cheese subs.  A lot of Subways have
been making them for years, but haven't put them on the menu til recently.
I like these sandwiches better than the turkey ones when I'm trying to
be good, because their meat seems pretty nasty to me.  
 
Do you ever watch when they make the sandwiches?  Every Subway I've been to
really loads on the cheese -- usually 2 slices in a 6 inch sandwich.  I
always ask if I can trade half my cheese for some extra tomatoes.  

I think the bread in a 6" sandwich is more than 100, but that's a guesstimate
(I try to be a little pessimistic or I'll go crazy on whatever I'm eating).

If you omit the black olives, 100 calories seems high for the veggies to me,
because you're not *really* getting much in the veggie department...a big
handful of shredded iceburg, 3 or 4 tomato slices, a bunch of really thin
green pepper slivers, some onions, and pickles (yum!!).

My question is, do the hot peppers have a lot of oil in them?  There's some
kind of wetness to them, but I can't figure out if it's oil, juice, or a vinegar/
brine type thing.

Chris
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Wow..nonfat pudding!
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:44:50 GMT
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com


You guys aren't going to believe this!...Jello Instant Pudding Mix has
NO fat!!!....that means if you make it with nonfat milk....tahdah!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: health clubs
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:32:59 GMT

In article <168A48B51.MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com> MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>  Wondering what videotapes you use at home.



I have Sweatin' to the Oldies I, II, III, and IV. I just bought the whole
set at once from the Deal-a-Meal 800 number and be done with it! This also
came with two cassette tapes for your Walkman, and a Stretching to the Classics
video of about 15 minutes.  

I hated Richard Simmons before (what an annoying voice he has!) but I must
admit that I am hooked on these tapes. They're not like exercise... they're
like dancing! The choreography gets increasingly complex as you go up the
series. I rented the original Sweatin' at the local video store, just out
of curiosity. You can probably do that and see if you like it. I credit
these tapes with breaking a 26 year couch habit !!!!

Yes, it's more fun than chocolate !!!

The only problem is... now when I hear one of the songs from the tapes
on the radio or out in public, I get the urge to start doing the moves
from the video! Yes, I was "Born to be Wild."



Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Nonfat eating; Lunch; Baba Ganoush (sp?)
Keywords: Nonfat lunch, baba ganoush
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.142322.25490@watson.ibm.com> amygk@watson.ibm.com (Amy) writes:
>Tahini Sauce Recipe:
>  1/3 cup Tahini paste
>  1/4 cup lemon juice
>  2-3 garlic cloves, crushed
>  salt/pepper to taste
>Mix all the above until smooth. Refrigerate if not eating right away.
>
>COMMENTS:
>For those who may not know, Tahini paste is sesame seed paste. According
>to the T-Factor Fat Gram Counter, 2 TableSpoons of sesame seeds has 8.8
>grams of fat (94 calories). Yikes! I don't know how many Tbsp sesame seeds
>makes 1 Tbsp of Tahini paste - probably not a 1 to 1 ratio. 
>
I have made a similiar recipe using non-fat or low-fat mayonaise
instead of the tahini. It turns out pretty good. Give it a try and let
us know what you think!!!

rf
From: wvenable@attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:06:27
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
	<1992Nov19.232742.11565@spdcc.com>
	<1992Nov22.233214.12159@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au
In-reply-to: susan@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov's message of Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:32:14 GMT

>>>>> "Susan" == Susan Shelton <susan@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:

Susan> I was about 30 pounds overweight and had been since I was 11 or 12.
Susan> ... A little less than a year ago I read two of Geneen Roth's books
Susan> and decided to try eating what I wanted and being aware of when I'm
Susan> full.  I hadn't been on a scale since then until last week when I
Susan> had a doctor's appointment.  I weighed nine pounds less than I did
Susan> when I quit Weight Watcher's.  That's without being on any sort of
Susan> diet whatsoever. ...

That's great, Susan, but this kind of technique is simply neither safe nor
practical for those of us (John, Kari, Pete, Beth(?), me,...) who at some time
at least have had a really "massive" weight problem.  30 lbs may seem a lot,
and for you I guess it may be, but for the people in the big league that
doesn't seems like much at all.  In fact I lost 30 lbs in the first month of
my present campaign and noone, (and I mean noone), saw any difference.  My
clothes were just marginally more loose, but that was all I could see myself.
The loss is over 80 lbs now, but still it's not all that dramatic.

For the great majority of folks who are "somewhat" overweight I am prepared to
admit that the Roth method may have some value, and for you it obviously works
fine.  However unfortunate people like us in the really "big" league just
_would_not_know_ when we are hungry, when we are full, how much is too much,
and so forth.  The system simply cannot (as yet) be trusted to work reliably
in such a subliminal way.  I am resigned to watching, and even recording, what
I eat for the rest of my life, but I don't suggest this rather dreary prospect
is necessary for everyone with a weight problem at some time, either.

I think what I am suggesting is rather akin to the Marxist contention that a
big enough quantitative difference can make a qualitative difference.

Susan> I hope you are successful and happy in whatever method you use to lose 
Susan> weight.  Good luck.

Too right!  We sure agree on that.

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: The word FAT
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:22:18 GMT

Does anyone here object to the word FAT, used to describe an overweight
person?

I remember in the past, options such as CHUBBY, PLUMP, etc. were used in a
vain attempt (usually by thin people) to be less offensive. Didn't work,
in my opinion.

More recently, I've seen ZAFTIG and RUBENESQUE, which are at least more
poetic than the others.

Comments?


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: barbaraj@csc.ti.com (Heart Dancer)
Subject: Re: Oprah Show on Food Compulsions
Reply-To: barbaraj@csc.ti.com
Organization: Computer Science Lab, Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:59:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.133838.6196@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:

>> So what's the answer?   Once you know your motivation, how can
>> you use it to change your behaviour?  Or do you just brute
>> force the change (willpower?)?  I think that's what I've been
>> doing for almost a year and I can see it isn't a long term 

One way that I deal with this kind of situation is ask myself what it
is I really want,  (i.e., what is it that I'm trying substitute food
for), and see if I can find a way to give myself that.  For me, the
key is to see that there is nothing wrong with the underlying
motivation.  I have some need that is not being taking care of.  In
the past, eating was the best way I knew how to either fill the need
or suppress the need.  Today I have better tools --- tool which will
really satisfy the need, and contribute to a healthier lifestyle at
the same time.

BJ
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:55:57 GMT

I think I half-way agree with Gordon and Steve on the Roth premise.  But
it does seem to me that there are at least two kinds of overweight problems.
There's my kind of problem where I really don't abuse food. I almost
never binge.  Occassionally I eat inappropriately and eat to excess, but
a naturally thin person wouldn't get fat on what I eat.  I really believe 
that.  My real problem is a combination of having an efficient metabolism
and of living a sedentary life.

Then I suspect that there are people who abuse food.  Just like anything
can become an addiction, I'm sure food often does.  Sometimes I'm amazed
by the incredible feats of bingeing posted here.  I feel really lucky
that I don't have to deal with that in addition to my propensity to being
fat.
--
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Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
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San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet