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From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 9 Jan 1993 09:59:37 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <C0KqI7.G0C@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>hand, routinely supply _all_ calling numbers with the monthly bill.  
>With regular calls, odds are (assuming no caller ID) your call _will_

I was talking to someone about this, he claimed the phone comapny 
computer records all the numbers calling and called and retains this info
for some time. (I forget how long..) So say you call a hotline, ignoring
the very real possibility that they have immediate tracing, and all the
police/fire agencies I personally know of do, they could contact the
police and claim an emergency situation.. immenent suicide, the police get
the number/address from the phone company, and you get a visit from the
nice men in the white coats.

And just so you know, I check on this. It is ok to tape a phone call if ONE
person on the line knows it is being taped... SO the person at the other
end could tape you too... I don't know how admissable that would be, but it
is something to keep in mind.

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Bleck
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:18:07 GMT

Gee has it really been 3 weeks I was out of this town.  Oh well, I'm
back in the city I live in, the city of crosses...  

I didn't have much of a need to post during the tail end of last
semsester, because I had a friend.  But like most good things, it
passed...  Now she's in Poplar Bluff, MO. (BTW, it is a VERY long
drive from Poplar Bluff to Las Cruces.  I just did it a couple of days
ago.  The highlight was definitly when I was up in the mountains about
100 miles from El Paso, when I was exhausted, driving through freezing
rain, and I had just lost a contact lens.  Fun...)

Oh well, I'm already depressed.  That's a good sign; I got a head
start on the semester...  Oh well, guess I'll just slink off a bit and
do some exercises.  One two three slash. One two three slash.  One two
three slash.  Other wrist.  One two three slash....

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
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From: underdog@cardinal.stanford.edu (Joe Dwight)
Subject: Re: just a simple cry for help
Originator: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:31:38 GMT

Hello.  I am reposting the following because I _really_ would like to know
the answer to the question.  No.  I don't know why Liz-chan no longer responds
to my posts; insightful comments (whose anonymity I guarantee, _of_ 
_course_) would be appreciated.

(Actually, I have met a number of women like Liz-chan.  They are sort of
kook-y, but they are nice in a quaint sort of way.  Just don't get too
involved.)

If you are too shy to reply in public, e-mail is fine, too.

In article <16B4EBC2E.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
(Elizabeth C. Kupfer) writes:
>...eventually needed to see a councelor and take prozac for a few months.

Could someone tell me what "prozac" is and how much it might cost?
Is it similar to lithium?

Elizabeth doesn't respond to my posts any more, so could someone else
post an answer?

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Help
Summary: Sources... 
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos   
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:26:51 GMT


	I'm always available for talking (via email or the 'talk' command
when I'm logged on)... just make sure to tell me you want to talk >now< --
I'll make sure to make time for you.

	And since I must always speak of myself no matter what the topic
(and you thought I didn't notice this? >grin< )... my ex asked me the other
night if I needed someone to talk to... of course I blew it off (reflex
action) when I really wanted to say yes.  I do need to talk to him... but
as I told him, what interest could he have now in my problems when he wasn't
interested in them when we were living together??? (He said he didn't think
that was true, but he didn't elaborate about what he thought the truth was.)
After our second year together, I learned to not be around him when I was
incredbly upset/depressed... more than once he told me to just go ahead
and kill myself if things were that bad (he strongly dislikes being around
me when I'm crying or trying to talk to him [about solving my/our problems]).

	I think he's finally realized I'm quite capable of killing myself
(or allowing myself to die) and it makes him uneasy to watch my life
deteriorate before his eyes. [We work together at the bookstore. While I
keep up a facade around the other employees, when I'm alone around him I
don't bother -- my comments the other night didn't help matters --

	[I've forgotten what I was talking about...]
Me: "It doesn't matter, I'll be dead soon anyway..."
Him: "Is this something you're planning or are you just expecting it to       
	happen?"
Me: "(shrug shoulders) I dunno... haven't decided yet."
Him: "Ooo-Kay... (puzzled look)" and gets back to work...
	[I wound up going home early that night]
	
	...time to go run about like a small child at recess (don't
ya just love 1 credit Phy.Ed classes?) =)

		Psycho Kitten
		(off work so I'll be posting later today...)

 
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: Help and taping conversations
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:15:48 GMT

In article <1in12uINNdrr@popeye.cs.ubc.ca> harrison@cs.ubc.ca (James Harrison) writes:
>In article <1im7m9INNlqn@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>>And just so you know, I check on this. It is ok to tape a phone call if ONE
>>person on the line knows it is being taped... SO the person at the other
>>end could tape you too...
>
>It should be completely admissible as it is a correct copy of the conversation 
>that was recorded for personal reasons by one of the persons involved in 
>the conversation.  It's similar to hanging up the phone and immediately
>scrawling in your diary/memo/etc "talked to <name> s/he continues to be
>depressed about...."  which would be admissible in court if you were called
>in as a witness.

Are you an attorney?  I am not, and I readily admit that the law uses
apparent logic to arrive all too often at absurd conclusions, but
still...  If I talk to you and write such a note in my diary, my
testimony might be admissible, but it could not (I believe) be given the
same weight as a recording of the conversation since the recording would
presumably be more accurate than my recollection, even supported by
notes I took.

As for the diary itself, I believe it would _not_ be admissible, under
the "best evidence" rule.  You see this all the time, on that bastion of
proper legal practice, {L A Law}.  People's notes are never evidence;
instead, the person is put on the stand and asked to read out what they
had written earlier.  Their testimony is then what they speak, not what
was written.

OTOH, if the peron who wrote the notes is dead then the notes themselves
might be admissible as going to the suicide "victim's" state of mind.

As I say, I'm not an attorney (nor have I played one on TV).  Any real
attorneys care to give us some facts to leaven this dough of speculation?

-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

"Life!  Don't talk to me about life!"
From: jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: a little music, zigfried...
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:56:04 GMT
Organization: Russell Street UN*X Consultations
NNTP-Posting-Host: wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu
X-Subliminal-Message: bite me. chew me up. digest me. then at least I'd have a purpose.

"Who Killed Mr Moonlight?", Bauhaus, _Burning From The Inside_, 1983

Consider green lakes
And the idiocy of clocks
Someone shot nostalgia in the back
someone shot our innocence
and all our colours have run.

a broken arrow in a bloody pool
a wound in the face of a midnight proposal
someone shot nostalgia in the back
someone shot our innocence 
in the shadow of his smile

in the shadow of his smile
in the shadow of his smile
in the shadow of his smile

All our dreams have m,lted down
hiding in the bushes
dead men doing douglas fairbank's dance
all our stories burnt
a filled glass in the rushes
we can't paint any pictures 
as the moon had all our brushes....

who killed mr moonlight?

---------------
there, incomplete and imperfect, just like me myself and i.

wow ``bob'', wow...it's full of stars...

joe, feeling more tired than in a long time.
-- 
Disclaimer: "I'm the only one foolish enough to claim these opinions as mine."
jprovo@gnu.ai.mit.edu                                       jzp@gene.ummed.edu
    Russell Street UN*X Consultations and Development     (NIC handle: JZP)
                            Rev. Dkr. Nick LaRG0, ASC 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:09:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.234303.26679@udel.edu>
awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
 
>	...so long...
>
>	Psycho Kitten
>
     Good luck.  Write if/when you get back; at least one virtual hug shall
 be waiting for you.
 
euclid
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: just a simple cry for help
Keywords: help me
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:25:38 GMT
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department

In article <1icn37INNnab@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
|> 
|> I don't know that I have any real (specific) problems to talk about right  
|> now, but there are a few things that I need to say. 
|> 
|> I have been unable to cry (tears) now for several months even though I've  
|> been more depressed lately than I can ever remember being.  It bothers me  
|> that I am going through a lot of pain and no one seems to notice or care.  
|> I am however finally beginning to see beyond myself and see that I'm not  
|> the only one with problems, but I can hardly worry much with anyone else  
|> until I get out of the mess I'm in. I have just about lost the ability to  
|> verbally express myself and never enter into conversation unless someone  
|> brings me into it leaving me to turn further and further inward on myself.
|> 
|> So I sit and write poetry and write, and write....problem is no one ever  
|> reads the poems so I'm still not allowing anyone to see how I'm feeling.
    
   I've only been with this group for a month or so, so I don't know if
my impressions are accurate, but I think people in this group take each
other seriously.  I haven't yet seen a classic flame.  Oh, there have been
a few impassioned arguments, but most of the time you can expect to have
your feelings and opinions respected.  The only garbage I've seen has
been posted by outsiders.

   So... my recomendation:  post your prose here.  
  
|> And the poems are largely depressing and occasionally about suicide  
|> (however (somehow) never about death). I'm not in the mood for suicide,  
|> I'm just in a lot of pain waiting as if someone's gonna come along with a  
|> magic wand and cure me.  Actually, I'd be happy if someone would even do  
|> so much as acknowledge my exsistence and notice my pain.
|> 
|> just a simple cry for help though,
|> Steven W.
|> --
|> williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
|> ------------------------------------------------------
|> "Share my highs but the times that he hurts pay no mind"

   I don't think you'd get much in the way of optomistic encouragement...
but you'd certainly get some understanding.

Rod
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: LD #9
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:53:49 GMT

[Sung to the tune of "Home on the Range"]
 
Oh, give me a home
Where the psychotic roam,
And the dearly beloved are slain.
Where seldom is heard,
An encouraging word,
And the skies are so cloudy all day.
 
Hommmmmmmmmme of the straaaaaange,
Where the suicide fantisies lay,
Were often is heard,
The most curious words,
And the skies are so cloudy all dayyyyyy.
 
                  e.k. 01/93
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
Xref: sparky alt.suicide.holiday:3266 alt.angst:5110
From: wolffrnd@starburst.umd.edu (The Wolf Friend)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.angst
Subject: Re: I'm not paid for this commercial (was: Anyone else found this yet?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 04:10:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu

euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) writes:

>No, haven't found it, but i discovered a good comic book at the union bookstore.
>It's "Depression is Fun", by Nina Paley.  Laughed my head off over it, and then
>had to put the book down and blindly feel around on the floor for my head.
>Found it eventually.  8 b

Thanks, I'll have to check it out.

I'd also like to recommend "Hepcats" by Martin Wagner.  It's a serious
graphic novel (currently on issue 10 of 18) which deals with adult/mature
topics such as suicide.  Since it's an on-going story it's best to
start at issue #1 if possible; the artist/author has all back issues
available (upon request).  It can be tough to find in some comic stores
because some are too afraid to carry it.

-Wolffriend
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Marie Watson)
Subject: Re: And so it starts again...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:18:52 GMT

In article <1i7skvINNpuc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Mephistopheles) writes:
>In article <C0AvGA.AI8@news.udel.edu> zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Marie Watson) writes:
>>
>>		Psycho Kitten
>>		(debating what kind of flesh to force myself to partake of...)
>>		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>		like there *is* any real debate
>		
>			human flesh, of course, the only way to go
>
	The operative phrase is 'to force myself'... I don't want to eat
_anything_... I opted for some chicken tenders and curly fries for
dinner (satifiying the grease, fast-food, soda, and brown food groups).
I might have eaten something a little less caloritic if it wasn't my only
meal of the day. [FYI, now that winter sem. is here, I could gorge myself
three times a day on decent all-you-can-eat dining hall food for 2 hours
at a stretch -- I chose not to eat until coaxed by dizzy spells and the     
occassional seizure.]  Anyway, human flesh isn't the tastiest... maybe
after some selective breeding...  ;>

		Psycho Kitten
		(soon to follow in the footsteps of Ellen Bezuhov???)


>-- 
>*******************************************************************************
>* satan@wpi *Preacher or poet who was it wrote Give any one species too much 
>*           *rope And they'll fuck it up.    - Roger Waters   
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Christmas comes but once a year
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:34:25 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <92361.082621U60703@uicvm.uic.edu> U60703@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>My older sister took her life last year, 2 days after X-mas...(tomorrow)....
>throughout the year or two preceding this....she had brought it up occaision-
>ally....saying things like...."well...when I'm gone it won't matter anyways"..
>or..."shit...I'll just kill myself and be done with this shit".....
[.........massive elision.........]
>Carole

Ok I'm sorry your sis did it and I see your point, but the fact is you're 
saying "don't suicide, it would hurt us" when it's "us" who cause the person 
to want to suicide - instead of saying "don't do it" it might be more useful 
if you stopped driving us to the point where we want to.  You admitted 
yourself that your sis said many times she'd do it and you ignored her.

2 days after xmas.....is always a bad time.  I came pretty close again this 
year.

  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Help
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:37:43 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


   I am in desparate need of someone to talk to
does anyone have any ideas
Newsgroups: alt.materials.simulation
From: reza@materials.materials.org (Reza Najafabadi)
Subject: Table of Contents (Vol. 1 No. 2)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 11:29:38 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: reza@materials.materials.org




Simulation of earing in aluminum single crystals and polycrystals

R Becker, R E Smelser and S Panchanadeeswaran, Fabricating
Technology Division, Alcoa Technical Center, Alcoa Center, PA 
15069, USA


First-principles calculation of the magnetic anisotropy energies of
iron-based metallic multilayers

Kentaro Kyuno, Ryoichi Yamamoto, Institute of Industrial 
Science,University of Tokyo, Minato-ku, Tokyo 106, Japan.
Setsuro Asano, Institute of Physics, College of Arts and 
Sciences, University of Tokyo, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 153, Japan


An electronic approach to the prediction of the mechanical properties
of aluminium alloys

M Morinaga, Department of Production Systems Engineering, Toyohashi
University of Technology, Tempaku-cho, Toyohashi, Aichi 441, Japan
S Kamado, Department of Mechanical Engineering, Nagaoka University of
Technology, Kamitomioka, Nagaoka, Niigata, 940-21, Japan


An ab-initio Hartree-Fock perutrbed-cluster study of neutral defects
in LiF

R Nada, C R A Catlow, The Royal Institution of Great Britain, 21 
Albemarle Street, London W1X 4BS, UK
C Pisani, R Orlando, Universita di Torino, Laboratorio di 
Chimica Teorica, Via P Giuria 5, I-10125 Torino, Italy


Non-empirical calculation of thermal vibration effects on the phase
stability of InP-InSb alloy

Kohji Nakamura and Tetsuo Mohri, Department of Metallurgical 
Engineering, Hokkaido University, Sapporo 060, Japan


Thermodynamic properties of small zinc clusters based on 
atomistic simulations

R Ramprasad, R G Hoagland, Department of Mechanical and Materials 
Engineering, Washington State University, Pullman, WA 99164, USA


Void nucleation by inclusion debonding in a crystal matrix
X-P Xu, A Needleman, Division of Engineering, Brown University, 
Providence, RI 02912, USA


Newsgroups: alt.materials.simulation
From: forcer@netlink.cts.com (Nicholas Rahaghi)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Enya and South American
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:55:42 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Enya and space music? Well, I have all her albums, and I listen to them 
frequently... I never thought of it as "space music". Sounds more 
pastoral or transcendentalism type of lyrics. Many of them are infact in 
old Irish are they not? Well I love her type of music, and I was 
wondering who else sings as she does? I was told once she had a sister 
that sings like she does? 


I am also wondering: I have listened to this type of music before. But I 
am not familiare with its name so to say. I hear people call it "south 
American Andes" or "S. American mountain" music. The instruments are a 
"flute" type of sound. I like the music and I have two tapes, but I don't 
know what the names are to attempt to purchase more.


Thanx for the help.


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From: slt22@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Wild Orchid
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:00:35 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

     Has anyone heard the soundtrack from the awesome move 'Wild Orchid'?
It's the most provocative cd I have. I would definately suggest checking
it out. : )
                                   -Jerrel
From: lstaffor!lstaffor (Loren Stafford)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Re: Enya and South American
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:29:26 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Dynalogic, Inc.; Mtn. View, CA

For Andean music, try the records of Sukay and Inkuyo, both
U.S. groups with mostly Andean musicians.  The records of the
Argentinian group Los Calchakis are also widely available and
consistently good.  Also good: Los Incas, Bolivia Manta.

Records will be found in the International section under Peru,
Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, or Andes.

The most common flutes are quena, and end-blown flute with seven
finger holes, and zampon~as, pan-pipes of various configurations.

Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
From: ameyer@cbnews.cb.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Re: Enya and South American
Reply-To: ahm@hoqas2.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:19:15 GMT

In alt.exotic-music, forcer@netlink.cts.com (Nicholas Rahaghi) writes:
[...]
> I am also wondering: I have listened to this type of music before. But I 
> am not familiare with its name so to say. I hear people call it "south 
> American Andes" or "S. American mountain" music. The instruments are a 
> "flute" type of sound. I like the music and I have two tapes, but I don't 
> know what the names are to attempt to purchase more.

Yes, it's tough to know what to call it, but it's basically music from
the Andes. I've got a couple of tracks on a World Music sampler disc
I got from _CD Review_ magazine. Unfortunately, it's at home, so I
don't have the artist/title information handy.  I suspect you'd find 
other recordings in the "International" section of your local music store. 
BTW, the flute you refer to is called a fipple flute.

Andy
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