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From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Keeping warm
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:08:21 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

When I was riding in MN during winter with no arena, I used to wear:
1. Tights,
2. Long Underwear,
3. Turtleneck,
4. Stretch pants/breeches,
5. Long, boot socks,
6. Sweater,
7. Ski jacket, and
8. Ear muffs or knit hat (didn't have hard hat then).

Now I live in CA! ;-)

Cheers,

Diane
From: kcarroll@koko.pathology.washington.edu (Kris Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Spooking and Liability
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:42:26 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: koko.pathology.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan27.193138.3316@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen) writes:
> My question - which surfaced MUCH later - was, if god-forbid, knock on  
wood,
> the car had hit her, how does the liability work? I live in Colorado,  
and
> I know laws are different all over but I wanted a general idea. I have  
no
> insurance on Belle, just the normal car-house insurance. Belle is  
boarded out
> so my homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover anything... When a car hits a  
deer
> there's no real liability, so how does it work with horses? I'd like the 
> answer to include things like Belle stomping on a guest....etc....
> 
> geri (still shaking) & Belle

2 examples
A rental hack took off with a rider, crossed a road, got broadsided by a  
car, injured the rider and had to be put down.  In New York, stable liable  
all the way around

Daughter hits loose dog who is chasing the wheels, and kills it, dog owner  
liable for damage to car Washington State.

the real tragedy is the injury to the animals. Could you have found a way  
to flag the car until you were out of the way?  Why do people crowd  
animals on the road, just drive by as fast as they please? It's so  
dangerous and it makes me really mad.
From: njd@FTP.COM (Nancy J. DeMarco)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: need advice - dressage saddles
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:14:21 GMT
Reply-To: njd@FTP.COM
Distribution: rec
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA


Hi, All!

I need a dressage saddle.  I've been making do with my old (20+
year-old) Siegfried, but I really want something a bit more suitable.
I'm sort of hard to fit because my legs are *really* short, and most
of the flaps are just too long and too wide.  I also prefer a seat
with a nice narrow twist.  Can anyone recommend a saddle to fit me?

Oh, yea - my horse is a thoroughbred, but he has a warmbloody set of
withers and back.  Most saddles that seem to fit me tip back on him a
little. *sigh*

I'll need a 16" or 16 1/2" depending on the depth of the seat, and I'm
getting to the point where price is not too much of a deterrence (if
it's really wonderful).

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!!		Nancy DeMarco
From: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Bios
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 


I have no idea if this will get out, since I seem to be able to answer 
messages, but I don't know if I can just post a general one like this.  
Unlike most of you, I access Internet/Usenet through a BBS, which is in 
the LA area, even though I live in Northern California.  I work for the 
State of California.  My wife, Mary, and I have a 16 acre ranch, 
Wheelgate Farms, where we stand a Cleveland Bay stallion, Wheelgate's 
Lord Charles.  (We named the ranch after the horse, who's imported from 
England, not vice-versa.)

Mary teaches dressage and trains, I just ride and function as as the 
ranch Go-Fer.  We've studied primarily with Charles deKunffy off and on 
since 1974.  I've cliniced with enough other dressage instructors, some 
famous and some unknown, to have concluded that one lesson with Charles 
is like six from anybody else.  I suppose I shouldn't say that, because 
I wouldn't want Charles to get too popular.  He's expensive enough as it 
is.

Mary rides our stallion and shows him at dressage, although he also 
jumps very well, but we're both in our 50's and too old for that.  I 
recently sold my Thoroughbred gelding and am starting a four year old 
mare, by our stallion, out of our Thoroughbred mare.  I hope to start 
showing Lady Sarah at Training Level in the spring.  We've got her two 
younger sisters waiting in the wings and for sale.

Oh yes, since Mary and I write a book/video review column for a 
California horse magazine called Ride!, we have access to most of the 
latest horse books

steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King).
---
 . KingQWK 1.05 # 93 .
From: bphilipp@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Barbara L. Philipp)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Bio
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:08:21 -0500
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Hi

I'm Barbara Philipp.  I am 32 years old and I work for Westinghouse
Hanford Company in Richland WA.
I currently have a 27 year old QH/Arab mare that deigns to eat the carrots
that I offer.  She is 90% retired because of some arthritis in her hind
quarters and the fact that my job gets in the way of riding :-(

I read earlier about someone who had MS and "rides".  I also have MS
(since I was 16) and I have to limit the type of riding I do.  I did do
some 3 day eventing after I after I lost the total use of my right arm and
the partial use of my left leg.  But I stopped after going away to college
:-(

Someone mentioned a post by SE Cregier about MS, steroidal use etc.  If it
is possible I would like to get a copy.  Either a ftp site or someone
could email it to me.  If not drop me a note and I will pay for it to be
snail-mailed to me.

Barbara
Shalamar - queen, pig, general flake of a horse
Spice - cat about town
Cinders - house cat (why there's no litter box outside)
Triskitt - keeper of the backyard, devourer of all that hits the floor
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Subject: Re: Cold-weather riding
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:51:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <C19yzF.EKw@spk.hp.com> cicarell@spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell) writes:
>I am wondering what you do to stay warm in cold weather.  I was riding in 
><10F a couple of weeks ago, and it was DANG cold.  I'm looking for some 
>good ideas (other than stay inside, I got bit by the horse bug and staying
>inside worsens the symptoms.)
>
I spent most of my life (as well as most of my riding life) in the southwest
(Texas and Southern California) so I was in for a shock when I moved to
Colorado.  Like another poster recommended, I love my silk long underwear,
since it is not bulky under English riding breeches and adds a lot of warmth.
I got them from Eddie Bauer.  I also bought a pair of Thinsulate gloves,
which were worth the $30, though they are a little short (i.e. stop right at
my wrist, and let the cold in over the top at times).  Finally, I also do the 
layered look...  short thin socks under thin (but warm) wool socks under my
boots...  silk top, cotton shirt, wool sweater, and a thigh length ski jacket
over the top (which I remove if I am doing streneous riding, such as a jumping
lesson..  the other layers are enough...)

Hope that's helpful!  It doesn't get *that* cold in Colorado (as say, Minnssota)
but we've had some chilly ones recently...  brr!

							     Jill

P.S.  As a side question, on a cold day (20F and below) or even on warmer days
(32-20F), how dry is dry for putting an unclipped, outdoor horse back outdoors.
(We ride in an indoor area at one of the farms I ride at).  Doe this mean NO
dampness at all, a slight dampness (when touched with my cheek) or is more
fine?  I have been walking and blanketing Purty until he is pretty dry, though
after 45 mins he is still slightly damp under his elbows when touched with my
face (I have my gloves on!)  What do y'all think?  He is not clipped and it
takes a very long time for him to be fully dry, but I do not want to make him
sick.  Ah, this is one thing I never had to worry about in Texas!



*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
*                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown * 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: cyrus@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (Judi Cyrus)
Subject: Bio from Oregon
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:18:39 GMT


My name is Judi Cyrus.  I live in Newberg, Oregon (near Portland) and
work for Hewlett-Packard in McMinnville.  I currently have 1 QH, 2 dogs,
2 cats, 4 ducks, 1 cockatiel, a bunch of fish, 2 goats, 1 husband (for 23
years!) and 3 daughters.  Yup, and I'm another horse crazy animal lover 
from birth.

I grew up in Rifle, Colorado and got my first horse, a yearling bay of
Appaloosa roots, but no spots, as an 8th grade graduation present.  We 
broke each other to ride and I got into showing Appaloosas for the 
friend we bought my filly from and who continued to board her for me.  
I had four great horsey years, then, after getting married, found I 
could not afford to keep my horses (by then I was up to 3--my original,
an Appy gelding to show, and a foal from my mare and High Hand Man, my
friend's stud) and start a family.  So to my everlasting sorrow, we
sold the horses, planning to reclaim the hobby soon.  Soon turned out to
be 20 years.  After living in Minnesota, Colorado, New Mexico, several
locations in Oregon, Montana, and Germany, we finally bought a house on
three acres and a couple of years ago I bought 14 year old Missy at an
auction.  I really bought her for my kids, planning to buy another, more
challenging, horse for myself.  I still plan to..... But meanwhile, I am
enjoying Missy no end!  She has a great attitude and is loads of fun.  We
just ride on the roads and trails around where we live.

When I showed horses, I participated in Western youth events, Western
Pleasure, barrels, poles, trail riding, a little reining, and showed in
haltar classes.  I have always wanted to learn to jump, and I still hope
I will someday, though I am now 40.  So I am watching for the horse to
start that with.  I enjoy this group and learn a lot from it.  Haven't
been a poster, because I haven't felt I had anything to contribute.
Until now.  Anyone can write a bio!  Thanks for asking, it's been fun.

Judi  (official zookeeper!)
Gene, Juli, Jaimi, Jillian (humans)
Missy (the horse)
Tess (100 pound black lab/golden retriever mix) and Chester (Teri-poo)
Toblerone (golden chocolate eyed Persian) and Haystack (yellow barn cat)
Peter and Pippin (Kinder goats)
Sammy (the bird -- named after Samuelson the volleyball player cuz his
   parents picked him bald)
Clark, Willow, Guido, and Fred (the ducks)
Nickle, Dime, Ein, Zwei, Drei, ..., Funfzehn, Prometheus, Darth, Bill (fish)

Whew!!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jwhitmor@ptdcs2.intel.com (Jan Whitmore~)
Subject: Another Bio
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:58:44 GMT



Hi, 

   I'm Jan Whitmore.  I live in Sherwood, Oregon and work at Intel in
Aloha, Oregon  as a mask designer (layout of integrated circuits). I sent 
some information to Brandy already, but I'm not sure if it got thru, since
I do not post to any of the nets. I just read them.
   I, too, drove my parents crazy begging for a horse until I was 12.
My dad said if I wanted a horse, I would have to take care of it and
and use my berry picking money to buy it myself. That was fine with
me. I have had horses most of the time since then. I had bad luck
with the first few horses. The first one died of old age after about
a month. (I learned a lot in that month.) The second one had been in
one too many parades and got still in the front legs. The third one
was skin and bones when we got her. I believe this early malnutrition
caused her to go blind at age 8. I finally ran out of bad luck. I have
had several horses since with no problems.
   Currently, I am raising black and white pintos. It all started 
when my son fell in love with a 3-in-one package called a pregnant
black and white pinto mare with a return breeding. The first two
babies are double registered pinto and half-Arab. Last year's baby
is by a paint. So far all have been black and white. This year, we
are expecting two babies. One from the original mare and one from
the first baby who will be four this year.
   Pinto mare - Ondines Tehama - barn name Panda - pregnant 
       bred to Paint an Empire - b/w paint
   1st baby - Tehamas Magic Fire - barn name Magic - half Arab pinto 4 yo
       looks like an Arab with 50-50 black and white markings,
       black head with white star in middle of forehead 
       Pregnant - Bred to Paint an Empire - b/w paint
   2nd baby - Tehamas Oreo Cookie - barn name Oreo - half Arab pinto 3 yo
       Front fourth black, back half black with a white circle around
       her withers - kind of like and oreo cookie
   3rd baby - Tehamas Iron Gypsy - barn name Gypsy - half paint (quarter
       horse) picture a white horse with black flank spots and a black
       mask with a white blaze - yearling - sire is Kenos Iron Horse
       She has been shown twice and is currently for sale.
   We also have two quarter horses (Slide and Humble) and an Arab (Rocky) 
      that we ride. In the summer I use Slide for team penning. Occasionally,
      my son (Eric 17 yo) and daughter (Tiffany 19 yo) ride. In Dec.
      Tiffany went into the Air Force, so now its just Eric and me.
I plan on selling the two babies this year and the yearling, Gypsy.
Also I think Magic would be great in Pinto shows, when she gets trained,
after her baby, this May.
Sorry it got so long - I don't know where to stop
      Business name is JTE and Company - for Jan, Tiff, Eric and everyone
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Wintek saddles
From: west@unca.edu
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:46:41 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville


Has anybody out there used a Wintek saddle for trail riding?

My old Blue Ribbon is coming apart, and I'm quite attracted to
the Wintek saddle -- light, low maintenance, etc.  I have heard,
however, that the Winteks are bad to make hot spots and that they're
sometimes harmful to older horses' backs.  

I mainly do shorter (7-15) mile trail rides in moderately mountainous
conditions on fairly well-developed trails.  Our main problem around
here is stream crossings, which are generally quite rocky.

Any information would be appreciated.

Mark West   WEST@UNCA.EDU  Mass Comm. Dept.  UNC-Asheville Asheville NC 28806
                                                           USA
From: web@press.Corp.Sun.COM (Kathy Webster Ruiz - Creative Services Writing)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: bio
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:01:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: web@press.Corp.Sun.COM (Kathy Webster Ruiz - Creative Services Writing)
NNTP-Posting-Host: press.corp.sun.com


My name is Kathy Ruiz (was Webster--recently married Garry Ruiz).
We live in Morgan Hill, California (south of San Jose). I work
at Sun Microsystems as a Marketing writer.
 
I got my first horse at six, but never took lessons until I was 25. I'm
29 (30 on March 3) and have been riding regularly for about 4.5 years.
Together, my husband and I own two horses. Troublesome Rocket is a 16
hand, 16 year old AQHA that we bought together four years ago. I
originally showed him in Western pleasure shows and now I show him in
local english/hunter shows. Prince Arax (we call him AJ--it's easier
;^) is a 15.2 hand, six year old Russian Arabian. When we were
boarding, I took some basic english lessons on him and did a little
jumping (new to both of us). He is extremely smart and learns fast. We
bought him when he had just turned 4 and had been ridden once--now
that's what I call green broke ;^). He was trained to show halter
class--his ground manners were great. We originally bought him to do
endurance riding, but now are interested in hunter/jumper and dressage
and maybe an endurance ride or two a year. 
 
We recently bought a house on a couple of acres with a barn and haven't
been riding as much as we used to.  However, my husband is in the
process of putting up arena lights and we have part of the arena done
(we've ridden in it several times, but due to the 15 straight days of
rain here in California (I know, much needed) we haven't ridden in two
weeks (and I'm becoming rather cranky :^(. As soon as the sun comes out
I'm going to start my training with AJ. I'm quite excited and nervous
as he threw me over his head and I did a complete somersault. Thank god
for helmets.

I also compete in ride & ties (an endurance ride with two people and
one horse where you switch running and riding over rough turrain--any
where from 20 - 40 miles). My partner and I use her 17 year old
Arabian.

If anyone has any suggestions on videos for hunter/jumper or dressage
(beginning probably for both) please let me know.

Not to bore you all, we also have a wonderful 2 year old male Alaskan
Malmute named Nanook. He sometimes thinks he is a horse and when the
horses start their daily play time, he joins in. He also likes to go
into the horses stalls after they finish their grain and he takes the
bucket in his mouth and struggles to get out of the fence so he can
lick up any leftovers. This is definately a sight to see! Also we have
two adorable cats (brothers) that we rescued from the barn we boarded
at (no body fed them but us) named Alan and Climber.

Kathy, Garry, Rocket, AJ, Nanook, Alan, and Climber
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Humane Society donations
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:44:12 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: animal rights, breeding, rodeo

I'm sure I will draw flames for this, but I think it's important
information for horse owners.  I will simply reprint the story here
without value judgements, and you can all make your own decisions.
I'm now donning my asbestos suit....

"According to media reports, the Humane Society of Utah now requires
prospective employees to complete a questionnaire addressing their
animal rights beliefs and activities and those of their family
members.  Potential applicants must answer a questionnaire detailing
activities involving animals including **animal breeding**, hunting, fur
use, **rodeos**, and animal research and product testing.  A Society
spokesperson explains that this type of investigation will ensure that
future employees represent the interests and mission of the Humane
Society of Utah.  Some current employees are upset by the intrusive
and potentially discriminating nature of the procedure.  Utah state
officials claim the questionnaire "does not violate laws against
discrimination as it does not mention race, color, religion, sex, age
or national origin.""  [emphasis mine]

202-857-0540 for further information.  (No, that's not MY number, do
you think I'm crazy?!  Wait, don't answer that... ;^) )

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: cawalto@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JOANNE WALTON)
Subject: Re: Reader Bio's
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:30 EST  

Hi all!

I am Joanne Walton, and I live in a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio.  I work here 
at NASA Lewis Research Center in the Space Electronics Division as an 
Electrical Engineer.  My job deals with building prototype satellites and 
satellite earth stations.  

I started riding when I was 12, after many years of begging my parents to 
let me ride.  I started off at a local livery stable, then moved on to 
taking hunt seat lessons at a private barn.  I leased several horses before 
I finally got my own when I was 15.  I showed  the local 4H and OPHA 
circuit until my sophmore year in college.  At that time I ran out of time 
for horses and sold my horse.  I graduated in 1988 with my BS in Computer 
Science and then decided I didn't like to program (NOT good when you are a 
CS major)!  I stayed in school and graduated, again, in 1990 with my MS in 
Electrical Engineering.  About 6 mos after graduating I started taking 
lessons again, and the next summer I half-leased a little appy mare.  At 
the end of the summer, Sept of 1991, I decided to take the plunge again and 
bought my horse Cadillac.  He is a 7yo chestnut QH.  He was pretty much 
untrained when i got him, so I've spent the last year teaching him to go on 
the bit, get his canter leads, etc...  I've been VERY pleased with his 
progress, we went to a few schooling shows last year and hope to go to some 
bigger shows this year.

I'm 28 now and am really enjoying my free time now that i am done with 
school.  I love to trail ride and since I board next to a park I have 
plenty of trails.  I'm not as serious about showing as I used to be, which 
is great because it helps me stay out of the politics, nastyness and all-
around sillyness that goes along with the local hunter circuit here.

I enjoy reading rec.eq and even ran across one of my old riding buddies 
from about 10 yrs ago, Sonja Paetzel!  So come on Sonja, where's your bio?

Joanne and Cadillac (who is finally healthy, of course now his owner is 
sick!)
From: tim@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Tim Pointing)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: which magazines?
Summary: horse magazine suggestions
Keywords: good horse magazine
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:26:19 GMT
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

Greetings! I've been mostly lurking for a couple of years here, contributing
where my meager knowledge allows but mostly just learning a lot. [Thanks!]

My question for y'all today is on horsey magazines... What magazine(s)
do you like and why? What areas do they focus on? How techincal are they?
etc etc.
-- 
Tim Pointing, DCIEM
tim@dciem.dnd.ca or tim@ben.dciem.dnd.ca
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: linda@tellabs.com (Linda Jensen)
Subject: Re: Emergency Dismount (was:  What to do about fear)
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:36:07 GMT

In article <DOCONNOR.93Jan26025603@potato.sedona.intel.com>, doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor) writes:
> 
> wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins) writes:
> ] I was taught that one should always try to keep a hold of the reins
> ] even if you decide to bail out or fall off...... 
> 
> Personal experience : my wife got her hands tangled in the reins
> during an unplanned dismount once, and the shock when the horse
> hit the end of the reins tore some tendons in her back. Tendon
> injuries never mend back to the strength of the original, and
> my wife has had chronic back problems ever since that accident.
> 
> So my own opinion is : drop the reins.
> --

	I second this.  I got dumped when a trio of deer made a
	surprise appearance.  My horse just scooted out from under
	me, I fell off, held on to the reins, pulling the horse 
	towards me.  I'll never forget lying there looking at the
	horse hoof on my chest.  I still remember the pattern of
	shoe nails.  *brrr*.  The only thing I could say for about
	5 minutes was "Did you see that?  He stepped on me!".
	Fortunately, the horse didn't put any weight on that foot.  

	I figure if you're going to go off of a horse, best to be
	as free from it as possible.