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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New MBs
From: alexali@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Alex T. Alisantosa)
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:02:31 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <4470@dove.nist.gov> keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov (Larry Keys) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.133648.22319@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.094917.4288@csus.edu>
>>aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (A. Alisson) writes:
>>>There should be a new 600 SEC coming to the U.S. this Fall.
>>	...
>>>I couldn't wait to see it in person even though....
>>
>>I swear I've seen two of them already- one parked in front of the Cambridge
>>(MA) Marriott across the street from here, the other (this is heartbreaking)
>>driven at 60 mph hogging the left lane by some 18-year-old looking female who
>>was incompetenty two-handing it, and it was obviously too much car, as she
>>almost crashed it *twice* just trying to change lanes. I guess daddy was out
>>of town that week.
>
>
>I have seen one also, they are available now! To those who can affor them. 
>                                                   .              
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>Larry                            __/    ______ /                  
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>        /_____       \______/  /_____ / /______/        --- ////   
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>        Fahrvergnugen forever!
>

Hmm..., I am not sure if MB has introduced its coupe version of the
S-Class sedans in the U.S. without I am reading it in the AutoWeek.
Is it just me missing one issue of the magazine or is it just some
parts of the country get it soone  Anyway, who cares .... :)

- Ali -
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Buying car
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 22:46:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I would like to buy a new four door mid-sized car for between $20K 
and $30K.  I want a car that has a lot of metal so I can survive the 
other drivers out there.  I also don't want a car that needs a lot of 
maintenance.  Any suggestions?  
 
                                                           Eric Klien
From: karen@synopsys.com (Karen Vahtra)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Non CFC Air Conditioning
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:45:00 GMT
Organization: Synopsys Inc.

In article <nstern.711752040@hbiso> nstern@hbiso.ma30.bull.com (Neil Stern) writes:
>Hi,
>
>2) What cars are available today (or will be available for the '93 model
>   year) that use non-CFC refrigerant?
>

The Infiniti J30 uses a non-CFC refrigerant.
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: M5 vs. Sports Cars
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:14:12 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

> Has anyone heard of a new M5 which is supposed to be out soon?
> 
> For 1992, in Europe, Japan and most of the world (except the U.S.), BMW put a 
> larger 3.8 liter inline-6 in the M5. Quoted horsepower figures were about 340
> bhp.
> 
> I read somewhere that they were thinking about putting a DOHC 32v V-8 in the
> M5, along the lines of the new 7-series V-8s.
> 
> With a new V-8, these cars would not only be faster, but smoother.
> 
> With ~360-380 bhp, an M5 would blow away nearly every sports car on the road,
> with the exception of Ferrari F40s, Diablos, 911 turbos and such, and still  
be
> able to carry five passengers and their luggage!
> 
> Taka

All for only ~ $70,000. Wow what a feat!  Beating $40,000 Vettes and $30,000
Stealths, Zs and RX-7's. It's almost like the Mustang vs. (you pick a fast car)
wars of a few months ago. You get (relatively) what you pay for. 

You think the M5 will beat a ZR-1 or Calloway Vette ? How about an Infiniti
Q45 with $30k spent on it ? I could easily envision a lethally quick Q45
with twin-turbos. Or a bored-out 5.0 litre Lexus LS400. You get the idea.

Getting a $70k sedan to be amaziningly fast is not a big deal. Remember the
AMG Hammer Benzes ?

If you want to go fast without spending mega $$$, get a bike . . .

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
DOD#810 
1991 Saturn SL2
1992 FJ1200A
From: shankar@navajo.berkeley.edu (Shankar Narayanaswamy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Integra pricing
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:32:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <Jul.30.16.30.17.1992.5428@ruhets.rutgers.edu>, gnelson@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Gregory Nelson) writes:
|> I'm looking to buy a '92 Acura Integra with A/C and possibly an AM/FM/cass.
|> The dealers have been giving me prices in the neighborhood of $12,900 or
|> so.  Any idea what these cars _should_ be going for?  What's the best 
|> time to buy?  Will they be more desperate come the end of August when
|> the '93s are coming in?  Any word on revisions for the '93s?  
|> 
|> Any suggestions/advice on buying a new car or dealing with Acura dealers
|> in particular will be gratefully accepted.  I'm a rookie at this so I can
|> use all the help I can get!  Thanks.
|> 
|> Greg Nelson  (gnelson@physics.rutgers.edu)

Sounds like a good deal to me! A Saturn SL2 (new) with similar features
costs $12,700. If I had the money I would definitely go for it.

Shankar
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From: lea00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Larry Akers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: MAZDA DEALER RIP OFF
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:08:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO


    My --MADZA-- dealer experience left me with the opinion that
the MADZA corp does not care how it's dealers sell cars.  The 
dealer I bought my new 626 from was the only dealer that could 
do warranty work on my car.  They said that an error had my car
listed as being sold 10 months before I bought the car.  They
were unwilling to help me resolve this problem, they said just 
bring the car to us for warranty service.  The problem was that
they were not very close to where I lived,  and then the question
of what do I do for warranty work while on vacation (2000 miles from
home)???
    I made 15 - 20 calls to the regional office in Ca. and they 
never called me back.  The last time I talked to them they said that
they could do nothing better than tell me to let the dealer I bought
the car from do the work.  The BBB, Dealer Licensing Board, Office
of Consumer Affairs, 9 NEWS (uknow Paula Woodward), and Madza 
headquarters were no help at all.  They all told me that they would
forward my letters on to the proper people to deal with them.  I
guess that their trash can didn't feel that a response was needed:^)
    A lesson learned with a high price paid, I've never felt so 
ripped of before or since.  But Mazda will be making it's money 
from new customers now, no repeat business from this source of income.

Larry(MADZA ate my shorts once now I go without)Akers
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to determine year of a car?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:40:01 GMT
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality


jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM (Josh Sirota) [hi Josh!] writes:

> synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
>Regarding the Integra, there are two different designs.  The
>first generation, 1986-1988 ...

Josh> The '86-'89 Integras are all pretty much the same.  The new
Josh> generation cars started in 1990.

Josh> ... Synth's forgetting things in his old age :-)

Yeah, so I got *one* model year wrong -- apparently Alzheimer's is
hitting early. :-)  My CRX- and Civic-spotting ability would put you
under the table, though.  :-)

Josh> As for telling an '88 from an '89, there's no easy way ...

Weren't some of the plastic wheel covers designed differently for '89?
At this point I'm not committing to anything.  :-)


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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: MITSUBISHI MONTERO
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:25:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

I would appreciate any info on 1988 4X4 MISTUBISHI MONTERO such as
reliability,dependability,operating costs,or just any general info
on Monteros.

-Mark
From: lballar@nv6 (Laura Ballard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1989 Ford Tempo problem
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:10:53 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

cyg1431@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Who needs to know) writes:
: Awhile back I posted a question about my fuel pump
: on my Ford Tempo and got many helpful responses.  I decided
: to continue driving it without changing it.  Recently my
: car stalled after a long 4 hour trip and I thought it had
: to be the stupid fuel pump.  The fuel pump was quite loud,
: and when it was about to stall, I couldn't hear it.  I took
: it into a mechanic, telling him that I thought the fuel
: pump needed to be replaced.  However, he couldn't duplicate
: the stalling, and suggested that instead it might be
: the computer module that regulates the fuel/air/etc.
: So, at this point, I'm not sure what to do, though doing
: SOMETHING seems important!
: 
: Symptoms:  
: 1.  When car idles after a long while, it sometimes dies.
: 2.  Fuel pump has been suspect.  I don't know if these things
:     completely fail or intermittently fail over time.
: 
: The more I think about it, the more I think it just needs
: a tuneup (40,000 miles) and that's it.  However, if anyone
: has any advice/similar experience, I would very much appreciate 
: hearing it.  Thanks!
: 
: Chris
: cyoung@uicsltc.csl.uiuc.edu


We received a recall on the fuel pump of our 1989 Ford Tempo about two
months ago.  I would think that other owners would have received that 
recall as well.  You may want to ask your dealer about it.
From: davoli@natinst.com (Russell J. Davoli)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Oregon Microwave's Radar Jammer
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:15:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Instruments Corp.

In article <13755@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
> 
> In article <7529@public.BTR.COM>, jbauman@btr.btr.com writes:
> > Several years ago, a company called Oregon Microwave sold plans for 
> > a K band radar jammer, as well as complete units ($235!).  Did anyone
> > out there build one of the units, or buy one?  Is the company still
> > in business?  They were located in Portland on Barbur Blvd.  
> 
> If Mr. Bauman likes I think I know where the plans to this device are
> located (one of my drawers).  As I recall the cost to build one of these
> units was somewhat high dur to the necessity to purchase an expensive
> microwave horn.  I think it cost too much to build at the time...

Regardless of whether a radar jammer is bought or built, isn't it illegal to
actually use one in your car while driving on the road?  I'm pretty sure that
I heard from somewhere that use of such devices is against the law and that
a cop can pull you over if his radar unit gives unusual results when you drive
by, esp. if you look like you're speeding.  I can't remember what the penalty
is supposed to be, but I'm sure that would depend on the state.

In the same vein, I think it was also supposed to be perfectly fine if your
car confused the radar through passive means, such as getting your car painted
with Stealth Bomber paint.  I seem to remember hearing about "stealth" car
bras that were supposed to do something like this, but I don't know if these
really exist either.

-- Russell Davoli
From: rambo!es9100@texbell.sbc.com (Eric Smith 5-0990)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Sports Coupe with GT Perform.
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:50:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Southwestern Bell Telephone Company

In article <BrqrwH.LJo@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> gtong@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Gordon P. L. Tong) writes:
>In article <1992Jul14.182046.1077@mprgate.mpr.ca> jiang@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jie Cheng Jiang) writes:
>>
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>	Acura Integra GS-R
>>	Honda Prelude Si
>>	93 Ford Probe GT
>	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>>	93 Mazda MX-6 LS
>       	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	VW Corrado VR6
>	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	Plymouth Laser Turbo AWD
>>------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
>>Jie C. Jiang                  | Voice: (604) 293-5795
>>MPR Teltech Ltd.              | Fax:   (604) 293-5787
>>8999 Nelson Way, Burnaby, BC  | Email: jiang@mprgate.mpr.ca  OR
>
>	I personally would prefer the cars with the v-6. When you have driven
>a four-cylinder for many years, you will not believe the incredible smoothness
>of the power delivery of the extra 2 cylimders. The turbo-4 or vtec-4 may
>produce the same amount or higher power, but the power may not come on as 
>smoothly as a 6 cylinder. Just my opinion.
>
>I think a v-8 would be even smoother.
>hmmm, maybe a mustang 5.0 isn't such a bad idea afterall.
>NOT !!!
>Uses too much gas ...
>(Please no flames, I'm just typing as I am thinking)

	You know, people say this.. but I guess they haven't felt the
smoothness of the 4s..   I've had 6 cylinders, 8 cylinders, 4 cylinders.. I
think the smoothness comes from who the manufacturer is or just the
particular engine.  The Mitshubishi engine in the Eagle/Ecliipse/Laser cars
is quite smooth.  At hight speeds, the car glides, with power to spare.

	Its personaly perference..
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: Luxury Performance Cars
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:29:54 GMT

In article <SUDEEP.92Jul23154930@pundit.arc.UUCP> sudeep@arc.UUCP (Sudeep Sharma) writes:
>
> Have you driven not the BMW 535i sedan but the M5?
> It will blow the sh*t out of most sport cars!

Or how about a Dinan Engineering preped BMW 535i.  It is supposed to be
even better than the M5.

-- 
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Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		Internet: salil@igor.tamri.com	
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: rescue13@cbnews.cb.att.com (cynthia.a.collins)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Summary: What's New With This Car
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:37:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I understand the 1993 Camaro is being totally redone.  Does anyone
out there know details?  I am considering this vehicle as my solution
to my mid-life crisis.  Could anyone with details please pass them
along to me.  

cac
From: lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Questions on Honda CRX (Buying)
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:50:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Case Center, Michigan State University

Hello,

This is my first posting to this newsgroup, so forgive me if I screw it up.

I was told a couple weeks ago by a Honda Dealership (Lansing, Michigan), 
that the 1991 was the Last year for the Honda CRX's.  They are coming out 
with a new convertible kind of car in 1992.  

So I'm looking to buy a 1991 Honda CRX through a private source because the 
honda in my area doesn't have anymore.  I want to know:

1.  If a car has been in an accident (body), is there anyway I can tell?  I 
    mean if it's been painted and fixed up again?

2.  Are there any problems people with CRX's have encountered that I should 
    be on the lookout for?

Any suggestions are welcome as I am a SWF, 26, and this is the first car I 
will buy on my own.

Please post to me personally.  I don't always have time to go through the 
news.

Thanks.

Jennifer
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mikec@cbnewse.cb.att.com (michael.j.clifford)
Subject: need conversion van advice
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:45:49 GMT
Keywords: neat features

I'd like to start a thread re: the many options available for 
conversions vans.  We're considering buying a new/used vehicle within
the year, and there's a good possibility that it'll be a van.
I'd like to get advice about options that you consider to be essential,
those that would be nice to have (but have some disadvantages) and 
options that should be completely avoided!  Any opinions are appreciated!

Mike Clifford
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Weller)
Subject: :Exhaust pipes:custom made vs factory made???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:46:43 GMT


Hi,

I need to replace some piping on my exhaust system.  I can buy a factory
built pipe that goes from the converter to the muffler for $135 
(including parts and labor) or have the muffler shop custom build one 
for $85.  Is there a difference in quality between these two types of 
mufflers?  Which option would you recommend me buying?  

Thanks for the advice in advance.

Bonnie
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 93 probe gt 5speed
Summary: pricing
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:38:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Helen Keller-Bondurant High Performance Driving School for the Blind
Originator: aland@infmx


From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
What's the price range of the new Probe and Probe/GT?


                Probe   w/251A  w/253A      GT     GT w/261A   GT w/263A

MSRP            12845   13240   15266     15174     16625      19523
Invoice+HB      11597   11932   13654     13670     14903      16132


--
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  Smith and Wesson: the Ultimate Point-and-Click User Interface.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 20:28:58 EDT
From: Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Sentra SE-R VS. Saturn SL2 (was re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL)

In article <1992Jul18.192721.1414@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm) says:
>
>Don't forget that C&D was comparing apples to oranges,
>the Nissan Sentra E, nice as it is, is still a TWO DOOR coupe,
>the Saturn is a FOUR DOOR Sedan for the same money!
>
>Now if you compare the Nissan 4-door to the Saturn SL,
>or the Nissan Sentra GXE to the SL2 you might have a better
>showing.
>
>Let us pray for Balance shafts on the Saturn 1.9.....
>
>Jeff

Now, if you compare the Saturn SL2 to the Nissan Sentra SE-R, you'll
*definitely* find some amazing results :-)  Hmm, maybe I'll post the
Sentra SE-R and the Saturn SL2's tests!!!!  But, of course, I'm sure
that Saturn enthusiasts won't allow me to do that :-)

-Naz

>
>Let us pray for Balance shafts on the Saturn 1.9.....
>
>Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE : Mercedes 190e-2.3
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 06:44:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.212514.14333@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> shehzad@booboo.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Shehzad Mevawalla) writes:
>1987 Mercedes 190e-2.3 for sale. Black with Gray interior. Superb condition.
>Never exposed to the sun, fully dealer maintained (endorsments from
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

what, did this car belong to a vampire or something?
sunroof must've been pretty useless, huh?  or was it a moonroof?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Subject: Re: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:16:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.183012.13039@news.unomaha.edu>, CONSLT24@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
|> If I had to bid on a Stealth (esp. the twin turbo) against a GT350 
|> Mustang (unmodified) with equal drivers. I would probably go with the 
|> Stealth. So give it a try the next time you run into one and let us know 
|> how it turned out.
|> 
|> 
|> Issa 
|> 
|> (P.S. the GT350 was and still a great car. I'm not taking anything away
|> from it but 20+ years of technolgy does make a differance.)

Oh, I thought you were talking about just sheer POWER from a car.  The rush one
gets from the acceleration from a very powerful car.  If I had to take a GT350 on
in a straight course, forget it.  I wouldn't want to make my Stealth look bad :).
But in a slalom or a course with some tight turns, then I'd give it a go in a
heartbeat.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman)
Subject: Re: NYS chase cars (WAS: Re: More CHP shit!)
Organization: Slug Hordes of the Planet Gamma
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:58:06 GMT

jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:
>Have you actually seen one?  From what I had read in the NY Times and
>the local rag, New York will be replacing the Mustangs with high-output
>Camaros, not Corvettes.

Hmm; perhaps a slip of the memory.  (Sportish American cars beginning
with "C"...)  I've seen an artist's rendering of one, but I don't
remember off-hand any details that would distinguish a Camaro from a
Corvette in the picture...  I'll post details when I go home and check.

andrew
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From: macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:08:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <SYNTH.92Jul23102010@deepthought.unm.edu> synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:

>Not impressed.  The APD have been using unmarked Caprice cruisers,
>lights hidden in the grille, in *civilian* colors (beige, light blue).
>This used to be a nuisance until you realized you could spot them
>quickly by their blue plates (for all official vehicles) ... so the
>city put civilian-color plates on them!  Now about the only things that
>can tip you off are the CB antenna and the driver's-side Q-beam spot-
>light.

Well, most of the "civilia-colored" Caprices I've seen share another
common flaw (I dunno if the ones in your area do or not...)... 
They always have the Police/Pickup Truck small round hubcaps on black
wheels.  (Often with one or more missing).

The City Of Pittsburgh's standard fleet is 1985-89 LeSabres/88's/Bonnevilles
all in the white with two scotchlite blue stripe scheme.  All of them
also have the aluminum wheels... which is sharp looking, until they start
mixing and matching styles on the same car(!)

Oh yeah, if you go *too* fast, they'll send one of hte pure-civilian
silver Regal Grand Nationals after you.  They're quite effective as 
speed-trap chasers... but I saw one parked next to an intersection while
the drivewr did traffic-cop duty... a good way to eliminate the under-cover
nature of the car, eh?

-Den
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