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From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Object not to Barbie, but Popeye cartoons!
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:40:59 GMT

All of this argument about Barbie influencing sex stereotypes and how
damaging this can be to children reminded me of a cartoon I watched
this past weekend.

We were grazing across the channels when we passed a cartoon.  Brian
(who's 3) immedialtely said he wanted to watch the cartoon.  It was
Popeye.  We stopped. Brutus and Olive Oyl were enjoying dinner togetner
when he wanted more--he tried to kiss her.  She said no and tried to
push away.  Brutus just grabbed her, threw her across his shoulder and
walked away with her.  She was hitting him and yelling help.
Now if that doesn't make you want to scream, what does?  I would
much rather my daughter (and son) play with a Barbie who says, quite
truthfully "Math is hard" than watch a brutal man have such disragard
for a woman's rights.  Instead of writting Mattel, we should write
Warner Brothers (is that right?) for making and distributing such
obvious infrigements on women's rights.

Jennifer
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Juggling Work and Family -- long term effects?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:30:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Mike, you brought up some good points, but the truth really
hurts.  Having worked in child care (pre-school teacher, infant-
toddler caregiver, in-home childcare provider, licensed family
daycare provider) before I had my own children, I saw how very
rare excellent childcare is, and even when it is good, it can't
compare to a parent raising his or her children on a full-time
basis.  I decided during those years that I'd never be able to
put my children in daycare, it would be too painful.  Would I
have chosen not to have children if my partner was unable to
earn enough income on his own to support all of us?  I think
about how hard that decision would have been.  
I know that some people love their careers and it would be hard
for them to be with their children full-time.  I have known
families who didn't want to put their children in daycare and
they chose to live in areas of the country where the cost of
living isn't so high, and sometimes the working parent chose a
job that wasn't as high tech as he might have found in a big
city area like Silicon Valley, and he earned less.  Some of them
live modestly, but they are able to eat and pay for a decent
home.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: daniel@clsi.COM (Daniel Barclay)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
	<1992Oct8.133929.25919@nynexst.com>
	<1992Oct8.153047.6627@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:59:04

> I didn't know married people were better or worse that single people.
> I do, however, know some single people who are single because they
> have a hell of a lot of guts.  Why did YOU get married??
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm curious.  What do you mean?  Are you referring to single parents or other
single people?

Daniel

--
Daniel S. Barclay			CAD Language Systems, Inc.
					Suite 101, 5457 Twin Knolls Rd.
Why can't _I_ think of a signature?	Columbia, MD  21045  USA
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 17:24:55 GMT

(Laura Floom) writes:
>I had a C-section. It was about 9 pm in the evening. I went in to labor at 3pm
>the same day. I was due at my moms house for dinner, and decided to eat a good
>meal, cause I didnt know how long it would take, and worried about getting
>hungry. From the car to the labor room, I passed three drinking fountains and
>used each one - just to tank up. I got to the hospial at 8pm. They realized 
>right away that Jeffrey was in distress (he was stuck in the birth canal, and
>his cord was getting cut off). They just gave me this stuff to drink to that
>was supposed to dry up my stomach. I was expectiing something truly awful,
>but it was about 1/4 cup if some pretty harmless liquid. I am sure it isnt
>as optimal as having kept me off food/liquid for 12 hours, but it seemed to
>do the trick. None of the doctors, nurses, or the anesthesiologist seemed 
>worried about it.
>
>They even gave me breakfast thenext morning. I didnt miss a meal! Shortly
>after that the postop pain set in, and I lost my appetite for three weeks.

Lucky you.  I made the mistake of drinking some orange juice and during
my C-section, it all came back up.  The anesthesiologist was nodding and
telling everyone, "yep looks like orange juice".  Then for three days,
I was on a liquid diet.  Dinner was beef bouillion, jello, tea, and 
apple juice.

diana
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From: pdsmith@bbn.com (Peter D. Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:34:21 GMT
Reply-To: pdsmith@spca.bbn.com (Peter D. Smith)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Oct7.183026.9419@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>In article <1at09jINN8m9@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>>>Recently, at a playground, my son was pushed by a kid twice his
>>>age and size.  He wasn't hurt, but he was scared out of his wits.  When 

OK, let me put MY two cents in.  One of the very few things I regret
from my childhood is my inability to stand up to bullies.  Out of shear
luck (and I knew people who weren't lucky), this wasn't often.

Several years ago I had the unpleasant experience of running into a person
looking for a fight.  I'm happy to say that I stood my ground (and got
mildly mauled in the process).

The moral?  Bruises heal faster than wounded pride.


				Peter D. Smith


Note -- I have some cousins who were raised by a neanderthal.  One, when
he was four, was hit by his own father to "toughen him up".  I'm not
advocating this kind of behaviour.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:57:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.184055.20416@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.012015.23329@CS.ORST.EDU> keeneye@CS.ORST.EDU (Eileen F. Keeney) writes:
>>There are over 200 phrases (I don't recall the exact number)
>>"Math class is Hard" is one of those phrases, a few others are
>
>What is wrong with her saying that?  Math class IS hard--for most people.
>It makes Barbie EMPATHIZE with the majority of us who had/are having a
>difficult time in math.  

I think the problem with Barbie saying "Math class is hard" is that if
you push the button again, she's likely to say "Lets go to the mall"
or "Lets order pizza."  1/2 :-)
-- 
Christopher M. Palmer --------------------------- Intergraph Corporation
palmerc@abulafia.b14.ingr.com ---------------------- Huntsville, Alabama     
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: My Godson is Born
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:45:55 GMT

I'm pleased to announce the birth of Alexander Russell Gilbert on
9 Oct.  His mother's doing extremely well, his father is bubbling
with delight, and his big sister Megan is in heaven.

His godmother was so excited by the news that she forgot to ask
anything about the birth or the statistics.  It was a C-section,
originally planned for later in the month, but he wanted out 
early, it appears.

We're all so happy!

This wasn't an easy pregnancy, but for unusual reasons.  His mother,
when she was about 4 months pregnant, got up in the night to go to the
bathroom and tripped over the dog, destroying the ligaments on the top
of her foot and breaking a couple of bones.  She had to have surgery
(with a general anesthetic) to screw and bolt everything back
together, and was on crutches for a couple of months. 

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:40:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.012015.23329@CS.ORST.EDU> keeneye@CS.ORST.EDU (Eileen F. Keeney) writes:
>There are over 200 phrases (I don't recall the exact number)
>"Math class is Hard" is one of those phrases, a few others are

What is wrong with her saying that?  Math class IS hard--for most people.
It makes Barbie EMPATHIZE with the majority of us who had/are having a
difficult time in math.  When someone is out of work and depressed do you
say, tritely, "something will come up" or do you empathize and say "things
are hard, now, aren't they?"  While saying the former may make YOU feel
better, saying the latter will make the UNEMPLOYED PERSON feel better.
There is nothing wrong with showing EMPATHY.  It makes us more human.

I think many of those who are all upset about this are taking it much
too seriously.  Jeez, it's a _doll_!  Not even  Murphy Brown doll at that!
Pretty soon folks will be sending Barbie math remedial courses....

Jennifer
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From: neville@cs.washington.edu (Dorothy Neville)
Subject: Re: Insurance for Kids (was Re: When did you feel "grown-up")
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:36:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.145902.5012@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>
>Well, funerals can cost about $5000 dollars.  Certainly less than
>say a car.  If the tragic happens, and you don't have that kind
>of cash reserve, you'ld probably be better off financially
>borrowing the $$.  I've seen some children's insurance policies
>that make 18% interest loans on a credit card look like a good
>deal!!

AMEN!  I am glad that someone knowledgeable posted this.  My mom got
totally ripped off on a policy for me.  She got it when I was 12 and
turned it over to me when I turned 21, and I had the option of cashing
it in for about 500 dollars or continuing to pay many many dollars for
4 more years and it would mature and I could cash it in for 5,000.
Needless to say it was much better for me to cash it in then.  When I
calculated the amount of money mom had put in this insurance scam, I
could have cried.  In just a simple passbook savings acount, it would
have been at about $20,000.  And that was just me, there were similar
policies on my two younger sisters!  And my mom was generally not
stupid when it came to money, not at all.  She was talked into this
when my dad died and perhaps was not thinking straight.
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cramps after childbirth
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:55:38 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <9bX702hY25B601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.180048.1506@ast.saic.com>, hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
>(Buffy Hyler) writes:
>
>>In my case I went from cramps that required serious pain medication to
>>get through to hardly even noticing that my period had started.
>>According to my GP prior to getting pregnant, what pregnancy will do is
>>slightly rearrange the internal locations of the assorted organs and
>>for some women this is all that is needed to get rid of cramps.  I
>>suspect highly that the opposite could be true: rearranging things in
>>such a way to cause cramps.  I remember when I first met this GP to get
>>more pain medication and one of the first things he asked me was
>>when/if I planned to get pregnant since that is one possible
>>"solution".
>>
>I have heard that pregnancy is one of the possible cures for (geez
>I forgot the name of it) that condition where the menstrual tissue
>gets outside of the uterus and sticks to other abdominal organs.  
>Birth control pills are another "cure".
>Linda

Endometriosis?

Elise.
From: ahatcher@penguin.eng.pyramid.com (Andy Hatcher)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say (3YO)
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:37:20 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology, San Jose, Ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguin.eng.pyramid.com

Well I've finally broken down and will relate my "cute things they say".

This happened when our daughter was about 3 years old. We had very carefully
taught her the difference between 1 die and 2 or more dice.  One day we
were at the mall when she saw some dice in the window of a game store and
wanted one.  We said no and then had to carry her away.

Imagine the looks we got as we carried this little girl down the mall.

She was yelling:

	"I wanna die, I wanna die"

-- 
Andy Hatcher
pyramid!ahatcher
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:06:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded? - medium
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>Sometimes I think that we confuse which areas we can impact and which we
>cannot - from a parental perspective.  I believe, from everything I've
>read/heard/seen that you can have the most impact with self-esteem and
>core values.  The rest is up to the children.  Career choices, role
>models, favorite fantasy characters and the like are, to a large degree,
>the choice of the children.

While I agree that self-esteem and values are key, they are not the
complete picture.  Role models are key too.  Just look at the number 
of women inspired to run for public office by Anita Hill.  If there
were no Anita Hills and only June Cleavers, then we would have a
harder time raising our (self-confident) daughters to believe that there 
are endless career possibilities for them.  I take every opportunity I 
get to show my kids positive female role models.

Jane Marcus
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

My husband has an aunt whose maiden name was Faire Virgin.  Then
she married, and her name became Faire Sax.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: dleach@bbn.com (Deborah Leach)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Infant snowsuit questions
Date: 8 Oct 1992 11:11:52 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: dleach@cc4.bbn.com (Deborah Leach)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: snowsuit babybag

During each of my son's first winter, we used a two-piece snowsuit.  The
jacket was enough for the car and trips to the store - sometimes I used 
long underwear under their pants if it was extra cold.  If we were going
to be outside (for a walk), I would put the snowpants on too.  This worked
fine for us.  Occasionally one of them would complain but not as badly as
some other children I have seen.  I think the one piece snowsuits are not
as useful - they can be too hot if what you really need is just a heavy
jacket.  I'm usually a cold person so I have to be really conscious of not
overdressing my kids.  We bought the snowsuit big enough that my older
son wore it for 2 winters (he was born in July).  Pretty soon we'll see
if his "little brother" (height 90% and weight 25%) can get 2 seasons out
of it too.  I suspect he won't since he is so tall.

Debi  (happy member of the 2-boy club Andrew 4YO and Scott 1YO)
dleach@bbn.com
From: jdaves@triton.unm.edu (Jonathan Daves-Brody)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Questions abour Idaho or Colorado
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:44:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Hello, on the subject of places to live, we might move to Boise or Longmont, and had
some questions:
	1.  What is the legal status of homeschooling?  How hard do they try to find you?
	2.  What is the legal status of lay midwifery?  Home births?  Home VBAC's?
By the way, we live in the mountains outside off Albuquerque, and love it.
Thanks in advance. . .
jonathan daves-brody
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie - Sales Admin Ottawa)
Subject: Re: Early pregnancy problems: ACIDITY ???
Reply-To: steph@luvmycats.oerth
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:46:35 GMT




I am in my 22nd week and have had several bouts of heartburn and
I've found the absolute best is Gaviscon (the liquid, not the
tablets). Tums and/or Rolaids wouldn't even make a dent for me!



-Stephanie
From: ardai@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Michael Ardai)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help avert a tragedy(smoke detectors)
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:45:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA

In article <1992Oct12.234951.7765@u.washington.edu> wolffie@u.washington.edu writes:
-In article <1ba9hfINN2ju@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas  
-Fowler) writes:
->      Officials also said that faulty smoke detectors have prevented at least
-> a few people from awakening in time.  Please, *please*, check the batteries
-> in your detectors a couple times a year.  
-
-How about getting them hard-wired so that they don't require batteries?

Get both.  Hardwired ones don't work when the power is out... 
/mike
-- 
\|/  Michael L. Ardai  N1IST   Teradyne EDA 
--- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
/|\  ardai@maven.dnet.teradyne.com
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From: lisa@bit.UUCP (Lisa Lowell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: high HCG results need net wisdom again
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:27:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.445
Organization: BIT, Portland, OR


I haven't posted since last year about this time when I had questions about 
Triploidy.  Thanks to all of you I knew more than the doctor did!  Now I have
another question.  I'm 19 weeks pregnant (3 weeks further than last time)
and just had my AFP and HCG tests.  My AFP was "normal" 1.32 but my HCG was
high 3.06.  This makes for a high risk downs syndrom child so I am told.
Using the test results and my age they predicted the chances to be 1 in 193.
I DON'T WANT AN AMNIO!  But this is the only way to tell for sure.  I need
suggestions and support from you guys again!  Has anyone had similar test
results?  What was the outcome?  Did you have an amnio?  Anyone had an amnio?
How bad was it truthfully?  I've heard that they are worse than giving birth?
I was told that 75% of the women with abnormal readings agree to have an amnio.
The chances of misscarraige due to the amnio is 1 in 200.  What would you do?
Thanks for all your support last year it helped alot!  I'm sure I will get some
good advice this time.  You guys are great!


		     Lisa
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:44:37 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

Robert E. McElwaine (who uses too many cap keys, no need
to shout we hear you fine) posts:

> HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer

> "Christians" want to RE-IMPOSE prayer into the public 
>  schools, as well as in certain government ceremonies, etc.. 

Sigh, those nasty Christians, we keep scrubbing them out....  :-)
How does one impose prayer?  More likely the proposal is
to allow prayer, we certainly can't have that!   :-0

I mean, what is there to pray about anyway.... there certainly
aren't any aggressive bullies in public schools, we've
proven that beyond a shadow of doubt (they are all myth right :-)
Drugs, guns, STDs, pregnancy, no sweat.  Climbing academic
scores, the USA has the top students in the world right!

As MC Hammer put it: Pray, you've got to pray just to make it
today.

> Parents who want their kids to openly and verbally pray 
> in school can send them to PAROCHIAL schools, as well as to 
> Sunday school, withOUT forcing it on others. 

Yeah!  Kinda reminds me of separate but equal  :-(
From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:02:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Four Food Groups (was Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

No, no, no.  The four basic food groups are:  sugar, salt, caffeine, and
chocolate.  Therefore the perfect food is a candy bar!

Jean Jasinski
From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: test
Summary: test
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:16:47 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

this is a test please send flames to sbrogii@Tymnet.Com <Scott Brogley>

From: brett@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:31:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Death - Choked on a Peanut
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

> Just wanted to remind everybody that occasional carelessness can lead to 
> tragedy.

And I would like to remind everyone that CPR training (which includes choking)
can help one handle the situation when the occasional accident does happen.

							Brett Carver
							brett@sr.hp.com
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Neighborhood dangers...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 08:45:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>If your parents let you run around unaccompanied in a neighborhood with 
>unknown dangers at an age when you were incapable of comprehending them, it 
>sounds like they were lax in their parental duties.

Ok, I guess I'll get flamed for this one.  I do not think 10 years old
is too young to "run around the neighborhood" without a parent (in most
neighborhoods, that is, like mine).

Now, in my neighborhood, Pittsburgh suburbs, there ar no dangers like
railroad tracks, busy highways, etc.  But my neighborhood is full of
woods and hills (Western PA).  My kids could fall and hurt themselves,
and no one would know.  I plan to set time limits on "free play" (like
30 minutes or something) in which they must check back at the house. 
If they are not back, I will look for them.

I do not consider myself a negligent parent, but I do not want to be a
doting parent that will not let their children play without me watching
every move.  They need their time alone to do those things that they
can't do with Mommy there, ya know, those things that help them grow up
healthy and confident.

Am I really out in left field here?  I grew up really sheltered, and
went absolutely crazy when I moved out.  I do not want to make that
mistake with my kids.  Maybe I have the age range wrong.  What age
should we let our kids play in the neighborhood unattended?  Since my
son is only 2.5, this is truly new ground for me.

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids