HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Ih - Analog Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car driver with a Clue!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 00:13:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: zxninja

In article 743@javelin.sim.es.com, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>
>>she looked in the outside mirror. Before I had a chance to
>>accelerate around her, she turnher head and looked at me.  She waved.
>
>Wow!
>
>Almost makes up for the brain-donor blonde I passed on the way home from
>work last week. I'd noticed this Honda repeatedly wandering over the
>line, then jerking back into the center of the lane, so I was in full
>paranoid mode when I got close enough to pass. I was curious to see if
>the driver was drunk, or what, so I took a look as I passed. No IQ-
>altering substances such as beer or cellular phones were in evidence.
>
>She was reading a book!


I dunno what's worse. A clueless cager or an extremely nervous one as was the
case which I encountered a few months ago.

I was coming home from work and was in the far right lane of 101 getting ready
to get off on the next exit. I was traveling slightly faster than the cage in
center lane. When I got within 10 feet of the cage in the center lane she started 
to move into my lane. No biggie, I gave her a toot on the horn and slowed down 
a bit. Much to my suprise, she freaked out and stomped on her brakes going into 
full wheel lock and skidding into my lane. I squeezed the brakes hard and went
for the shoulder. We both came to a stop within inches of each other. I shot
her an EXTREMELY dirty look and wanted to go over and explain a few things to
her, but in my state of mind at that moment, I probably would've ripped her
throat out. I just stared at her for a few seconds and took off. 


Ron Ih
1990 Kawasaki ZX-6
ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: the Yamaha V-Max
Summary: A clarification, please
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:04:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <2569@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>, bill@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Bill Jordan) writes:

] Just the other week, I passed a V-Max on the road, and I had to take a
] second look. That's the first V-Max I've seen on the road in a few years.


        Is it the first V-Max you've _seen_, or the first V-Max you've
_passed_?    

                                                           :),

                                                          Kevin
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: test
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:46:14 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <+c0y0mk@rpi.edu>, root@june.cmp.rpi.edu () writes:
> 
> 
> 

obviously, this guy has been rendered mute by being involved in
head-injury mcy accident without a a helmet.

what say thou, o, laz29735sdjwoijfaskl;dgjfqepitylo?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: key fobs
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:06:23 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


I'll take two.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
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From: ian@lassen.wpd.sgi.com (Ian Clements)
Subject: Re: La Honda --> Alice's Run
Keywords: Alice's, La Honda, Hwy. 84
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:27:38 GMT


 This coincides with the signals thing people are talking about.  Some
of the squids that don't pay attention/are not aware of what various 
signals mean (especially palm down--pat the ground) can really be a hazard.
For example; this weekend coming from Highway 9 towards 4 corners, there
was a downed Aspencade.  Most riders coming the other direction signaled
to slow down--4 squids behind me weren't paying attention or didn't know
what people were telling them and almost rear ended me (as I was stopped
at the scene waiting for the cops to direct us).  In fact two of them were 
so hard on the binders it's a wonder they didn't crash.  One went past the 
two cars in front of me and almost hit the ranger directing traffic.

 I guess if you want a good fast ride, you have to head up to Skyline and
cruise during the week or, find a few other roads to check out.
--

--
Ian Clements, 			| 
ian@sgi.com, 415/390-3410 	| Towards the beans! Towards the beans!
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Waving with meaning..?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:30:16 GMT

In article <14597@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
|
|Mark "Anyone wanna go on a honeymoon with me??" Parsons

Well, um, er, where ya going?

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Feeling poorly)           |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Being bored)         |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
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From: ehc29224@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CBR600f)
Subject: ZX-7 vs. Goof2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:56:00 GMT
Keywords: comparison

	Well, it's about time that i give up the Honda CBR600F (87 Hurricane)
for something quicker, faster, etc...more like i might finally have the money
this coming Spring.  :)
	So, I have a couple questions...
1) When was the last time the ZX-7 was modified?  Does Kawa plan on doing 
	anything major like completely redesigning it from the ground up?
2) Do all ZX-7's come in the green/yellow color?
3) I've heard that the Goof2 can run with the 750's.  I've seen quite a few
	of both down here at the University but I don't know any of the riders
	well enough to know if they extensively ridden both bikes.  Does anybody	have a horsepower/torque comparison?  If someone has copies of Cycle
	World or Motorcyclist that feature articles on the ZX-7, i'd pay for a
	faz or postage for a photocopy of the article.
4) I've ridden the Goof2, but i haven't ridden it hard (not my bike).  Do u
	guys think that it's a lot more flickable than the ZX-7?  Does the
	ZX-7 win the straight line race?
5) What about the seatng position on the ZX-7?  Is a agreeable for say a 2 hr
	highway journey?  I've had no problems with the Honda line.  I haven't
	ridden the ZX-7 so i wouldn't know about that.  I am assuming that the
	ZX-7 is somewhere in between the Suzuki GSX-R 750 and the Honda VFR in 
	terms of seating positon.  I know that I can't take more than 30 miles
	on the GSX-R 750 since my wrists start sending pain signals.
6) Finally, I know this is a poser question, but for owners of the ZX-7...did
	your passengers feel comfortable (ladies?) behind you since it seems
	the seating position seems to be a little bit higher up?


Let me say beforehand:  thanks for the posted or e-mailed responses...

				Happiest when riding,

				eric

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Man, that was FUN!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:53:18 GMT

In article <18qaqnINN58k@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 18204@wixer.cactus.org, lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
>>
>>But if there are no rules, then ANYONE can claim DoD membership, using any
>>number they please.
>
>And they do, with appalling regularity.
...
>>Why couldn't I use #666?
>
>It was already taken.
>
>>Who cares that someone already has it, if there are no rules, I can use it
>>anyway, can't I?
>
>You can try.

And if you try, you will soon discover that though there are no rules,
there are unwritten laws.  And woe unto him who dares transgress the
unwritten laws.  He will be subjected to sanctions first developed during
the reign of terror of the Piranha brothers, as described by M. Python.


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist         Dinsdale?            INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: forestel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Lauren Forestell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Watch out
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:16:03 GMT
Reply-To: forestel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Lauren Forestell)
Organization: David Taylor Model Basin

In rec.motorcycles, rtaraz@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>
>So watch out for assholes who run red lights.

Oh yes.  Brick walls will stop cars; you can't count on signs or lights.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lauren Forestell     | "What, me worry?"          |   AMA #663798
'88 FZ750            |     - Alfred E. Neuman     |   Wera Ex. #19, Retired
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From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Fatal motorcycle accident in Untersiggenthal
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.113232.18558@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>While working for GE Plastics, I asked why there were no 
>Lexan (tm) helmets. Turns out there was at least one made

On the trip to Germany when I picked up my less-than-legal System III
helmet (which I love btw) I picked up a promotional flyer for the plastics
industry. Turns out that the plastic used to make the Shubarth System III
for BMW is supplied by Bayer in Pennsylvania. Jeesh! American no-how!

-John
============================================================================
John S. Morris            Numba's?  Wez got numba's!   Voice: (617) 621-8739
Open Software Foundation   BMWMOA:54010 BMWRA:14948      Fax: (617) 621-0584
11 Cambridge Center         DoD:0316 AMA:677591     Internet: jsm@osf.org
Cambridge, MA  02142     K100RS:41784  320i:7159539     uucp: uunet!osf!jsm
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:01:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 995@cybaswan.UUCP, eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey) writes:
>
>Also on handling, has any one else noticed that if you push one
>end of the handle bar, contrary to expectation, the bike goes in that
>direction? Anyone know what this phenomenom is called?

Crossed Over-Under Negative Tension Entropy-Reversing Synthetic Torque
Effective Equilibrium Reciprocal Inverted Newtonian Geometry.

(more commonly known by its acronym)

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: speaking of AMERICAN beer...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D3AA6208132631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:19:30 GMT
Organization: World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:25:51 GMT

*****public service announcement******


"Speaking of American beer, if anyone is interested in
joining "Beers Across America", a beer of the month
club that sends you two six packs of beer from two
different microbreweries each month, send me e-mail
for details.  This is not a paid advertisement, just
an informational message to Thirsty Denizens (TM)
with better tastes in beer than Oldbudmilbuschlite
in a can..."

******end public service announcement****
*****************************************
-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
*************************************
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From: jacbop@z.eecs.umich.edu (Thomas Wilberding)
Subject: Electronic Ignitions
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:40:56 GMT

Anyone know where I can find electronic ignitions or auto
advance mechanisms for old (early 70's) Japanese bikes.

Specifically, I'd like something for a '73 Yamaha RD 350 two
stroke. It has fixed breaker plates which doesn't really make
for an efficient use of engine potential.

I figured that this bike was tricked up so much that an
auto advance must have been available at one time.

Thanks people,
Tom

jacbop@eecs.umich.edu
-- 
----------------------
Tom Wilberding
jacbop@eecs.umich.edu
jacbop@engin.umich.edu
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: key fobs
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:37:30 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep4.192703.7940@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>>of course, i did publicly announce my distate for polo shorts, dod
>>variety or otherwise.
> And how do you feel about belt buckles?  :-)

laurie got one for me: it was a surprise.  [the little things they 
do, you know?]

i do like them.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Castrol Syntec (Oh God! Not oil again!)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:27:51 GMT

 bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>>Some discounts during sales at places like Pep Boys will drop the
>>price to the $3.50 range for Mobil 1...
.. 			       ^^^^^^^^^^
>Our local KMart sells the stuff for $3.48/qt. standard price.  Our local
>Shucks auto discount store says they will beat any price in town by 5%.
>I'm buying the stuff by the case for $3.30/qt.  Check for local deals like

   That's more like it... I found a case of six qts. at Sam's Club for
   $19.16; that's just under $3.20 ea.  It's nice to buy six vs. 12,
   since all my bikes are singles (MX and DP) so I don't need much.
   (Too cheap to put it in the car.)  How's it work?  Don't know, but
   I'm about to put a whole 700 ml in my XL125 based on net.recommen-
   dations.  I waited until I found Mobil 1 at a good (great?) price.

   Sam's and Wal-Mart are *extremely* dangerous to one's bank account.
   Money just LEAPS out of my pocket when I go there.  I could kick
   myself for not buying their $50+ stock when it was at $28 probably
   1.5 years ago.

--
           Jim Dunne 	dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne
  --<{{ TEAM STRANGE -- street / dirt / lake / snow / ice  LOCO-MOTION }}>-- 
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From: mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:06:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.132848.11329@spdc.ti.com>, achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep11.024641.29978@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
|> >In article <18mdcjINN2ma@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
|> >>
|> >>As I rant on, just what IS the deal with bikini-clad women in high heels?
|> >>They seem to infest motorcycle posters, motorcycle magazines, car
|> >>magazines, and calendars featuring airplanes to drilling equipment.
|> >>Do hets *really* find the heels-bikini combo sexy?  Even when holding
|> >>a pipe wrench?
|> >
|> >No, I sure don't.  I rather think it quite stupid.  I also think the Corbin
|> >catalog (yes, I got a '92 catalog) has some remarkably stupid photos in
|> >it based on infantile display of skin.  I am not often swayed to buy a 
|> >product based soleyly on advertising, but I can be totally turned off a
|> >product by stupid advertising.
|> >
|> 
  I have a couple of Photography books, and In the sections entitled
"Photographing Women", they often suggest that a model wear heels when
posing in a standing position.  They say that it causes certain muscles
in the legs to tighten up, thus having the effect of making the model's
legs appear more shapely....


|> Sure the high heels are stupid, and they probably don't know what to do with
|> the wrench, but what the hell. If there's a prettier sight than a scantily clad
|> (or unclad) woman, I've not yet seen it.

  Of course none of this would make me want to buy the product any
more, but hell, it's nice to look at !!



-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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|   Matt Fisch								     |
|   mfisch@ichips.intel.com						     |
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|                          #75 - Team Banana Racing 			     |
|				SUZ GSXR-1186				     |
|									     |
|  "Just a little too much right hand and the Australian Grand Prix is over  |
|   for Kevin Schwantz..."						     |
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From: greer@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Greg Greer)
Subject: Re: Leather pants
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:11:06 GMT

What's all this about wearing leather pants over other pants,
especially jeans?  What's wrong with just wearing the leathers?

If you're riding to work, and if leather is inappropriate, bring nice
slacks neatly folded in you tank bag (or whatever) and change.  If you
wear bicycle shorts under your leathers, you might even be able to
change right in the office, depending on your circumstances, of
course.

It's really no bother, unless you're the "Give me convenience, or give
me death!" type.

Greg	
'92 Ducati 907ie, in black
----------------
Greg Greer,     August Automation, Inc., Software Developers
301-286-5999    at Code 743, NASA/GSFC, Greenbelt, Md. 20771
From: ant@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Antony Espindola)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: faster rear braking
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:45:37 GMT
Organization: Data and Business Comms, BT Labs, Martlesham, Ipswich, UK.

From article <1992Sep11.200446.18857@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, by groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh):
> In article <BuFJAF.5rw@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>>
>>suppose you had only your rear brake with which to stop.
>>what do you suppose is faster: straight-line non-locking,
>>straight-line locking, or locking and swinging the rear
>>out to side?
> 
> No cases to make, straight-line non-locking is fastest, unless you
> consider lock, swing and highside as a viable stopping method.
> 


 Maybe this could be turned into a neat finishing trick ?
 ie. straight-line, lock, swing, highside and do a double back-spin
 and finish by landing on your feet in a typical olympic pose ???
 
 Now where did I put that gymslip......
 
 Antony.
 
 (I STILL HAVEN'T GOT A DoD NUMBER (HINT))
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:34:31 EDT
From: <TLT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Olympic Bikers?


In article <6468@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) says:
>
>   I'm sure most of you have seen the guys on BMWs riding around with
>maniac camarmen hanging off the back as they follow the marathon runners
>or bicycle racers.  So, how do I get a job driving one of those BMWs?
>Can I sign up for a school on the back of a matchbook or something?
>Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>--
>
>******************************************************************************
>*
>* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu
>*
>******************************************************************************
>*
Well hey sounds like a great job. Just watch out for angry Motorolla
      riders. THey have a nasty tempter, but they get fined and you
      get a story to tell.



      Tim Thompson
      '83 Yamaha Maxim 400
      Net Lurker #25
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: New DoD Product
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Sep 1992 21:30:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

It looks like Arnie has been getting ambitious.  While at the local
True Value today I found, on sale no less, a butane powered "Aim 'n
Flame".  I figured that there was only one organization in the world
which could sucessfully market such a product.  Make sure to pick yours
up today.

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never | '81 CB750C           |
| get nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111      | '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I have my DOD number!!!
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 15 Sep 1992 20:39:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Sep15.190233.9522@colorado.edu>,
laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) wrote:
> 
> In article <dbc-150992024514@129.22.242.51>, dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
> |> Anyone looking for sysadmins and not to particular about whether or
                                          ^^
> |> not they have a degree? :-)
> 
> 
> YEAH WHAT HE SAID!!!!! except i have rn & i have a unix box or a hundred
> 
> laz

Reading over my article, I see that you shouldn't be too particular about
whether or not your sysadmins can spell either.



| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never | '81 CB750C           |
| get nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111      | '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on defending yourself in court
Summary: Screw that noise
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:43:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <BD.92Sep4111949@fluent.UUCP>, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
 

] jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com (Jack Reed) writes:

] > Oh yeah, that 67 in a 45 is worth *6* points.
] 
] You fail to mention whether you were *guilty* or not.  If you're guilty
] the I suggest you pay the fine and stop whining.
] -- 
]    Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766

F*ck that.  Anyway you can get out of a ticket, do it.  If traffic
laws were based on safety and common sense, and with strong legal
basis, then I might say different.

But the laws now are thinly disguised revenue enhancers, many of which
are questionable even in their constitutional validity.  And nobody
does anything about it. 
                                                   Kevin
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