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From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Stardates--from the horse's mouth
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:39:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep7.033901.5692
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

>In article <1992Sep4.131716.3854@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
><In article <1992Sep2.061437.2751@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
><>In article <1992Sep1.144724.8956@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
><
><>>If the 4 in the stardates stands for 24th century, tehn what happens
><>>when ST:TNG gets to Season 10? (If that happens), and if not ST:TNG,
><>>ST:Ds9 then.
><
><
><>Actually, the staff writers from Paramount cut off questions about
><>Stardates at the seminar.  They expressly told us not to worry about the
><>technical stuff and to spend our time on plot and dialogue.  They seemed
><>quite bored by the questions even though the audience was curious.
><
><Of course they were bored.  I would've been bored by this kind of
><extraneous nonsense as well.  Who gives a flying Denebian Slime Devil?
><It's like asking "why did Geordi punch the key sequence
><yellow-yellow-green-blue at Engineering One in episode X, instead of the
><more technically consistant yellow-yellow-green-_red_?  Why?  Why?
><Huh?  I can't sleep at night until I find out!"
><
><When you're in a position to avail yourself of the opportunities that
><are presented by being in a Q and A forum with the show's producers, why
><would you focus on such trivialities?  Why not ask about the characters,
><the plots, new ideas?  Stardates and warp coil wrapping designs are mere
><window dressing.  They don't enhance the watchability of the show.  They
><don't contribute to the dramatic content.  They don't enhance the
><characters.
>
This posting can be read as a flame directed at me.

If so, it is based on a false assumption that I spent my time talking about
Stardates.  That did not happen.

In the future, a person with your strong sense of what is and is not
appropriate behavior will want to watch his use of the word, "you" and
avoid structuring a posting that is insulting people for things you do not
know they have done.

I have found this conference is a lot more fun if I show people the
courtesy of not telling them that their interest in something is stupid
just because I don't care about it.  The concept is "live and let live."
That, along with avoiding self-righteous accusations that can be read as
directed aagainst individuals, is basic net courtesy to me.
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Subject: Re: Troi and Starfleet (Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines)
From: <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:29:56 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

The ST:TNG Writers'/Directors' Guide list Troi as Lieutenant Commander.
There is no question about her rank, since this was written by Gene
Roddenberry himself.  I quote about her role: "...the concept of a
ships' counsellor, an expert in _human engineering_ as much as starships'
engineers are expert in the vessels' mechanics.   ...We think of Commander
Troi as just that -- an _expert in human engineering_."  Summarily, her
responsibilities are to provide advice on relations (crew or alien)
to the command crew.  On the bridge she provides this service to Picard,
on an away team, she provides this service to Riker in much the same
capacity.

Just my (and Gene Roddenberry's) $.02 worth.

Hans C. Masing | HCM100@PSUVM.psu.edu  | Penn State University MIS Dept |

If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is
"God is crying."  And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to
tell him is "Probably because of something you did."  - Jack Handey
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:47:41 GMT

In article <rawdon.715888957@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <eDLqqB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>>ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>>> In article <1992Sep7.030236.3477@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu
>>> (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>>> >Whatever you say about TOS, it didn't infict brainless Betazoids on the
>>> >airwaves, and if any kids came aboard, they got rid of them at the next stop
>
>>Instead TOS inflicted us with a brainless Spock! :)
>
>Yeah, but only for one episode. :-)


I can't believe I'm going to get into this, but....


Look, TOS had it's fair share of stinkers too.  A lot of folks would
like to retcon most of the third season as never having taken place.
Check out season 3 sometime if you need to refresh your memories.  The
stories were getting mighty thin in places.  I'm almost glad that TOS
didn't go into a fourth season.

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Subject: new Hallmark Ornament
From: arang@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:16:56 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Has anyone else gotten the new Star Trek ornament from Hallmark?  I got mine
and I think It's kind of neat.  I haven't been able to plug it into a light set
yet.  Once I do, the Enterprise and Galileo will be up and running together.

......By the way, it talks too.

Amy Rang
Wright State University
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Subject: Re: Data's cat
From: cuy@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:26:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co.-Huntington Bch
Nntp-Posting-User: cuy

In article <92256.130956KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
> In article <1992Sep12.184419.12662@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
>>In <1992Sep12.161202.29473@ERA.COM> paradis@ERA.COM (Lisa Berkenbilt) writes:
>>
>>>I'm trying to get some info on Data's cat.  I have seen the pretty
>>>kitty in the episodes In Theory and Data's Day.  Is she in any other
>>>episodes?? When did she first show up?? How did he get the cat in the
>>>first place??  Why is she named Spot (or is there more to the name
>>>than that)??
> 
> Um, you should listen closer.  The cat's name is _Spot_.  In fact, in
> one episode whose name escapes me, Geordi asks Data, "Spot??  Why Spot?"
> and Data explains that he researched the traditional names of human
> pets, and found that "Spot" was the most common.  Geordi explains that
> Spot is a _dog's_ name, but if that's what Data chose... :-)
> 
>                                              -- Mike Kelsey
> 

I don't remember the show, but there was a scene where Worf saw his
childhood pet on the bridge (ugly pig-sized thing) and Tasha, moments
later, saw a cat on top of the control station.  I don't expect anyone
really knows, but from memory, that cat looked a lot like Spot.

DMC
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From: HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka)
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Organization: University of Houston Support Services
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:06:15 GMT
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In <1992Sep10.210918.4546@cbfsb.cb.att.com> drw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com writes:
[accidently deleted somebody...sorry 'bout that, chief]
> >>Now look at TNG.  They are using more ship names that the rest of
> >>the world can relate to.  "Soyuz" (sp?),  "Berlin", "Melbourne"
> >>(for the rest check out Mr. Carrington's list)  Remember Star Trek
> >>is popular thoughtout the world now.  Wouldn't you want to make our
> >>customers happy?
> >
> >I prefer 'em myself. Tho I would enjoy seeing the USS Nimtz,
> >maybe an Excelsior class?
> 
> BUT STILL NO WARSPITE (after HMS Warspite, 1913-1956 RIP)
> 
> or New Jersey (after USS New Jersey, BB-62 1943-present)
 
How about a Lydia for all of us C.S. Forester fans (hope I spelled the name
right :-))?
 
> 		David R. Wells
> 
> DISCLAIMER: These are MY views, not AT&Ts.

Julia Kosatka
University of Houston
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From: jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist)
Subject: Re: Navy in Star Trek
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:02:25 GMT

In article <92Sep10.154822.26326@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>
>As a side query, how many Enterprises have there been so far? The
>19th Century battleship (?), the carrier (what class, by the
>way?), and the mock-Shuttle... anything else? (I'm not counting
>the Trek 5)
>

CVN-65 is the 8th ship to be named "ENTERPRISE".  There is also the mock
shuttle for NASA.




Paul "Joe Friday" Stacy (not net.police)       Buffalo State College, New York
STACY54@SNYBUFVA.BITNET (Buffalo State College VAX)                JUST THE
jfriday@westmark.stanford.edu (Stanford, California UNIX)       "VAX", MA'AM!
Disclaimer:  This isn't the opinion of the school, police, Chief of Detective
             Staff Brown, Planet Spaceball, Starfleet Command, or the Pentagon.
From: jcrusher@dead.starfleet.officers.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: (none)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 01:33:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

So, what's been going on?
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: The Eternal Flame(war) (was Re: STNG sucks!!!)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:01:18 GMT

In article <w6sn21c@lynx.unm.edu> quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.110330.10211@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:
>>	I return to the Net after a long summer and what do I find?  Your
>>all STILL having TOS vs. TNG flamewars...  Ah, it's good to be back... ;-)
>
>Actually, this one started just a few days back.  Guess somebody was
>warming things up for your return.  Welcome back. ;-)
>

	THIS one may have started just a few days back, but when did the
one before that end? ;-)  Unless r.a.s.* has changed radically, I'm sure
that there definitely were several such flamewars over the summer (especially
if you and Michael were still around ;-)).  And, in fact, I would bet my
life that such flamewars will exist as long as there is a Net to post them
to.  And, soon, it will be not just TOS vs. TNG, but TNG vs. DS9 and TOS vs.
DS9, as well...  Then, perhaps we'll have TOS movies vs. TNG movies... Etc...
We'll have enough heat produced by these flamewars to meet the world's
energy needs for thousands of years to come... ;-)

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Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:57:58 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <Sep06.052102.20138@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
> Keywords: 	Listen all of you fags out there, there's only one real Star
> Trek and that's
> 	the original.  This New Generation shit has boring plots, just a lot of good
> 	special effects -  so what.  It's the script that counts and Shatner's
> portrayal
> 	of Kirk was perfect.  I've watched a few episodes and I don't see the
> suspense ,
> 	the action, or the wit of the "real" Star Trek.    Stop denying the
> truth to your-
> 	selves, STNG sucks!!!

Just a correction.. it's ST:TNG, not STNG.  I hope you use the correct
abbreviation in the future, and have a nice day. 

Love,
-- 
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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: Holodeck sex
Originator: rhballan@c00506-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:53:12 GMT




Did you see the episode (It might have been called 'The Gift' or something)
where a meta-morph (a very sultry woman indeed)is brought on board to be 
presented as a gift during some peace talks or something?  Riker escorts 
her to her quarters. Of course she comes on to Riker, passionately kissing him.
After forcing himself to leave he contacts the bridge:

"Riker to bridge, If you need my I'll be on the holodeck"


Now gee, what do you think was on his mind?




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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Bev and the parasite (was:STNG episode about homosexuality)
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:41:26 GMT

		I agree with the xenophobe theory a lot more than the
homophobe theory on this one. My impression is that she loved the person, no
matter the form, but the way that the form was taken (i.e. taking over a
sentient being) was what made it impossible for her to continue a relationship.
I don't think it was a question of whether she was hetero or bi, I think it was
a question of whether she could live with someone, knowing that deep down
inside they're a bug, using a body. And what would happen if they fell so
deeply in love with each other that the parasite wished to become one with her?
So it's not homophobia, methinks. Parasitophobia, or some such. =)

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From: moe@rainier.lib.washington.edu (Joe Shippert)
Subject: Re: Romulan Ale...
Organization: University of Washington Libraries, Seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:38:42 GMT

In article <bntn-p=.vision@netcom.com> vision@netcom.com (Pat Carson) writes:
>There was an alcoholic drink I heard of at SiliCon called "Romulan Ale" after the potable shown in STIV.  I believe it had Blue Curaciao and Bacardi 151 Rum in it... 
> 
>Does anyone here know the exact recipie for this drink? If so, please *E-Mail*
>it to me...
> 

The closest I've seen to Romulan Ale is a Blue Hawiian which, I think is 
three parts vodka, three parts pinapple juice and 1 part blue curacao. 
Nice blue drink. However if it is in fact an ALE then my it would have to 
be some kind of beer.

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From: uhs@jab.tucson.az.us (Rob Macomber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:29:37 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) writes:
> 
> Also, Troi did wear other clothes in earlier episodes.  In the
> pilot, she wore a Starfleet skirt.  After that, she wore pants
> and a shirt (that covered her entire upper body).  Troi is
> a civilian, if I remember correctly, so she does not wear the
  ^^^^^^^^^^
> Starfleet uniform like everyone else (despite the pilot episode).
> Now she is dressing more like a Betazoid (actually, more like a
> half-Betazoid, which she is :)
> 

No, she holds the rank of Lt. Commander. ("Disaster" and a few other 
episodes)
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From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:33:41 GMT

kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>I found this exceptionally offensive as well.  However, a coworker of mine
>informs me that the U.S. military operates in this manner as well; he claims
>that it is strictly correct to address a female officer as "sir".

To me, since ST:TNG makes up so much other stuff and it is a fantasy show
(that's what the "FI" in "SCI-FI" means, folks) and it is trying in other
areas to be the representation of the future where beings are equal and
their actions are what is judged, not their skin color or gender or other
irrelevant criteria, they should have set the pace for un-sexist language
by making up a new term to replace their current use of "Sir".

>Folks, why does this business come up so often on this newsgroup?  Every time
>I punch in I get this sexism stuff.  Men and women are not identical.  I don't
>believe that men are in any way superior *or* inferior to women, but we're not
>the same.

If we're not the same, why are things based on male words and ideas?
If women are indeed unique from men and not grown from men, why is
everything based on the man's point of view?  I'm not advocating a
point of view that suggests we are different or alike enough to
warrant thinking about different languages for men and women as we as
a people have way too many other problems to deal with first.
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: DS9: Who will write? (was Re: DS9: Who will star?)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:01:37 GMT

KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:

>On a related topic, is there any chance we will get some _good_ writers
>for DS9, perhaps even Mr. David himself, as opposed to the current crop
>of Hollywood writers do TNG scripts?

Initially, as I understand it, the plans are to have staff writers handle all
the chores for DS9.  Some writers are moving over from TNG to DS9, others are
staying put on TNG.  To my knowledge, none are working on both.  (I know one
writer chose to stay with TNG because he/she couldn't bear the thought of
writing a Ferengi every week.  I can sympathize.  :-) )

So, without any judgements on "the current crop" of TNG writers, I think you'll
see a number of familiar names in the writing credits for a while.

Tim Lynch
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sexism and Plunging Necklines
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:10:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <79126@ut-emx.uucp> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>Folks, why does this business come up so often on this newsgroup?

	Because there are dweebs who make it an issue.

	On BOTH sides.



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From: haaser@quince.ssc.gov (Bobby Haaser)
Subject: Re: Mutiny on the Holodeck
Organization: SuperConducting Supercollider
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:24:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.183507.17843@leland.Stanford.EDU>, jfriday@westmark.Stanford.EDU (The Crazy Archivist) writes:
|> According to the ST:TNG Tech Guide, it's possible to fly the Enterprise
|> from a PADD while walking down a corridor, so I should think that flying
|> the Enterprise from a holodeck would be even easier since you could 
|> completely recreate the bridge.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Paul "Joe Friday" Stacy (not net.police)       Buffalo State College, New York
|> STACY54@SNYBUFVA.BITNET (Buffalo State College VAX)                JUST THE
|> jfriday@westmark.stanford.edu (Stanford, California UNIX)       "VAX", MA'AM!
|> Disclaimer:  This isn't the opinion of the school, police, Chief of Detective
|>              Staff Brown, Planet Spaceball, Starfleet Command, or the Pentagon.
|> 

Ah, Yes I just read that too> thanks for pointing it out ,
I almost forgot to mention it.

adding Paul Stacy's remarks to my last article to continue 
the point.

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Who's got the best beam-out?
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:04:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep15.192505.17537@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:
>The woman who played 'devil' to the people on the planet (I dont recall the
>episode name) had a neato beamout.
>
>Her name was Ardva, or darva, or dardra, ardvark, or something. Anyone
>remember? 

Ardra.

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