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From: hinchlif@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Peter Hinchliffe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Questions about Superdrive stuff
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:04:15 GMT
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klo@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Worried) writes:



>	I have some questions. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>If I use the HFS FST on my GS, I can pop in a Mac disk into
>my Apple 3.5 drive and be able to read it. Right? The file will
>show up on the GS' Finder and I can move it/save it onto a GS/OS
>disk. Right?

Yep. 

>If I have the 3.5 drive controller/Superdrive controller [what's
>the correct name for this controller anyway?], can I use my Apple 3.5
>drive as a Superdrive? FDHD? Meaning, can I read Mac, MSDOS, GS/OS
>high density disks?

The card is officially known as the Apple 3.5 Disk Controller Card. It runs
the Apple 3.5 (800K), the Apple UniDisk 3.5 (800K) and the Apple SuperDrive
(1.4Mb).


>If not, does that mean I must get a Superdrive controller card
>AND the Superdrive, just to read HD Mac, MSDOS and GS/OS
>disks?

You MUST have a real live SuperDrive to be able to make use of high density 
disks. The MS-DOS FST (from all accounts) will not work on anything less than 
a SuperDrive. The standard Apple 3.5 which was supplied with your IIgs will not
cut it. Mac HFS (800K) is not a problem, of course.

>All replies appreciated. Please reply via e-mail [especially
>since I'm trying to avoid the growing Anti-Apple campaign here]

>Thanks! I'll post summaries to the net if anyone wants me to.

>P.S. Is there an Apple version of the AFE utility? Even though
>we can [if we can] read Mac disks now, especially with the 
>Superdrive.

Who needs it?? AFE is just too slow. Translate with the HFS FST on your IIgs, 
or look around for the ProDOS init for the Mac (it certainly comes with the 
IIe card for the Mac LC, if someone with one of those). Either option is both
faster and more clever than AFE.

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Perth, Western Australia
From: cd866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Sira)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: subject changed from that darn 'Apple Storm' thingy
Date: 14 Dec 1992 11:59:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Sira)
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In a previous article, irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) passes on w/o
editorialisation:

>The following is from Ernie, the guy who did the taping and commenting in the
>original Project Apple Storm posting.  It's been lifted unedited from OggNET.
>Enjoy, or something...this says disturbing things to me about some A2'ers...

What disturbing things? I find it predictable (and might even have said
that without the benefit of hindsight).

Releasing the transcript was _probably_ legal, as far as I know. The law differs
from country to country (and state to state, I imagine), but you can tape and
release a conversation with the permission of at least one member, in
these parts. Note that this precludes wiretapping or the hiding of recorders
by a third party. Also, it is morally questionable for Apple to whine
about the release: the representatives in the transcript appeared to be
acting in a specific capacity; were their comments only for the ears of
the "elite" attending the meeting?

Where I think the taper/releaser requires some chewing out is in the
matter of the "editorial comments". Given that releasing the material was
at least marginal, he might have had the good sense to simply let the
transcript speak for itself. Apple's actions in the past have been
irritating, but the actions of "Apple IIers" who spread what is
essentially propaganda are more so. Moore's reference to himself as
"this reporter" is particularly ironic given his obvious lack of
objectivity. The comments were out of line, and in fact demeaning to the
group of people whose rights Moore ostensibly wants to "protect".

>Note, I (Ian Schmidt) don't necessarily endorse or condemn the opinions 
>in the above text, I am simply providing it for your information.  Please
>don't flame me :-)

I ain't gonna flame ya...I ain't gonna flame ya...isn't this a John
Wayne quote? B-)

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From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Subject: Re: Finder Lost Files
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:14:49 GMT

From article <1992Dec15.005608.13495@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, by bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters):

I'm feeding back on my own post because several kind folks sent me
mail that nailed the problem. I'd simply moved the files to
another directory when I clicked on another icon by mistake.

The advice to use the 6.0 "Find File" from the Apple menu set me
straight in a moment.

Thanks to all that replied.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: power@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Russ Woodroofe)
Subject: Re: II Alive!
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:52:27 GMT


	So how do you order II Alive, anyway?  Sounds like a good thing to
ask for for Christmas!!! :)

                                                   The Power
From: samp@pro-gallup.cts.com (Sam Pemberton - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: A2-Central uses cheap paper?!?!?!
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:49:35 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-gallup]

In <BzHCD4.1Ax@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>
dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett) writes:

>Three times as much?!?! It's already $3.95, for 8 pages on cheap paper, I mean,
>Computer Shopper costs $2.95, and it has 1000+ pages... I just didn't like A2-C
>too much, it didn't appeal to me.

The paper weighs less to keep the postage cost down. Computer Shopper's
abundance of ads help keep its cost down, but having Computer Shopper mailed
to you would be relatively expensive because of the weight. Getting Computer
Shopper mailed 1st Class would be even more costly.
From: jblass@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: SCSI drive troubles
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:12:55 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY) writes:

> I am trying to get a 52 mb Quantum drive partitioned to work with my IIgs wit
> high speed SCSI card. I already have a 30 mb Seagate drive hooked up. The
> Quantum is connected to the card, and the Seagate to the Quantum. I was able
> to get GS/OS to recognize the drive only by formatting the entire drive as an
> HFS folume. When I did this, all sorts of mayhem occurred when I tried to put
> files on it, such as "generic FST error"s and having the finder lock up or
> crash into the monitor. I then tried to partition it with ADU, Chinook SCSI
> utilities, and the high speed SCSI card utilities. I kept getting brain dead
> partitions, eg with the bit maps located at the end of the volumes, and
> not being able to be fixed with a block editor because the write failed. 
> The drive's partitions always cause the finder to choke and I get i/o errors
> when I catalog under ProDOS. Copying files to them causes the volumes to be
> trashed. Each utility's verify function finds no bad blocks on the drive,
> and the Seagate drive functions perfectly when chained to the drive. The
> guy who sold it says my software can't handle Quantum drives, and I need to
> try it on a Mac. I'm starting to think the drive is toast. Any ideas? Kindly
> reply rather than following up as I want to get it going ASAP.
> --
> Randy
> cxd14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu

 Hmmmm....
  It seems that you are having the same kind of problems that I encountered
when I tried to hook up my 2 new Quantum drives....
  First thing .. Is the External case that you are using EXTERNALLY terminated?
If it is then you have to remove the INTERNAL termination that comes with ALL
Quantum drives...
 You can do this by looking at the bare drive upside down and removing the 3
terminator resistors at the back of the drive .. (On the Circuit board by the
SCSI connector) They look like small black strips with 8 pins in them..
 I found this to be my problem as I was faced with the dreaded DOUBLE
TERMINATION.. And that will cause you untold pain....
 
Just trying to help.
Me.

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From: nagendra@csa.bu.edu (nagendra mishr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 Reliability
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:16:15 GMT
	<1992Dec11.084439.20611@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: meekins@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 11 Dec 92 08:44:39 GMT


Maybe it's a little more then your system software:

	I've been using system 6.0 for quite a while now, no major
problems.

	I had a few problems which required me to reinstall my
software, and that was because I had a ramfast driver as well as
Apple's drivers installed.  You have to boot a floopy which uses the
ramfast driver, remove the apple driver from the hard disk, apply the
ramfast driver and reboot.

	I also had problems when I was using gscii+. Not sure what
version.  But when I was using gscii+, and tried other file
operations, things went klaboouie, usually a few days later.

Other then that, make sure your power supply is not being overloaded.


Is it a rom 01 machine?


Nagendra

nagendra@csa.bu.edu
From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (Lim Thye Chean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GEnieLamp December 1992
Date: 10 Dec 92 06:44:59 GMT
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (Lim Thye Chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore

In article <1992Dec10.032405.27178@athena.mit.edu> pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.205418.20312@zip.eecs.umich.edu> grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec5.161443.1115@exu.ericsson.se> exuhag@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>>>Jerry Penner writes:
>>>>
>>>>I've posted GEnieLamp for December to comp.binaries.apple2.  It's been
>>>>Shrunk so it should be faster to download.  If you're on a Unix box
>>>>you can still read it online if you have Sciibin and Nulib.
>>>
>>>Aw, come on Jerry, post it here!  I have no idea what Sciibin and Nulib
>>>are and they definitely are not available on my Sun.  It was only four
>>>postings--that`s smaller than the FAQ lists of many groups.  And I
>>>really like GEnieLamp.
>>
>>And a lot of people don't necessarily have access to the binaries
>>group either.  I think it would be best if GEnieLamp was left intact
>>as a 'normal text' posting right here.
>>>
>>>James Hague   
>I would like to second that motion.

<< YES! >>

I would like to GenieLamp on text too. Where can I find sciibin and nulib?

>pbauer@athena.mit.edu


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: II Alive!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:25:48 GMT


>> Hey Joe Kohn...this looks like a great opportunity for you <<

Well, Steve, who do you think came up with II Alive's blurb of "keeping the
magic alive"?

A month or two ago, I got to spend a very pleasant day at QC. As a matter of
fact, it was the first time in my life that anyone had flown me anywhere. I
was very impressed by what I saw at Quality, and was particularly blown away
watching Jerry Kindall put together the System 6 Video. All in all, I'd have
to say that Quality Computers is a quality operation.

As you well know, I'm a freelancer, and my words are available to any
publication that wants to pay me for them. I plan to continue to write for
inCider/A+ and for Softdisk G-S. So far, plans for writing for II Alive are
up in the air. When I spoke to Joe Gleason the other day, he did say that
he'd like for me to have 2 articles in each issue. But, no actual
assignments were given me. And, the reality is, I'm up to my ears as it is
with articles. I have 4 more due in the next 2.5 weeks.

As much as I'm obsessed with the Apple II, I still only have 24 hours in
each day. So, we'll see. I am also very seriously considering publishing and
editing and writing my own Apple II publication. Decisions, decisions,
decisions...

Joe Kohn
From: ST2975@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:8 bit Apple SANE
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:53:47 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Can anyone answer this question?

According to the appendix to the _Apple Numerics Manual_
supplied by sw license, fp6502 can be loaded into the
auxilliary language card and called there, freeing up
about 10k of program space.

Is the code there safe from the /ram driver of ProDOS 8?
Is it best to disconnect /ram in order to use it?

This question is more specific to IIe/c machines, but
I'd be interested if the IIgs p8 acts the same or differently.

Andy Werner
st2975@siucvmb.siu.edu
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Turning Truetypes into PICT's
Date: 13 Dec 92 08:35:02 GMT
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz) writes...
> 
> Since it is possible to take TrueType Font data and use Pointless to render
> a bitmap font, would it be possible to translate the TrueType data into a
> PICT?  If this was possible, we could generate a PICT of "A" and then scale
> it to any size.

    You would have to approximate the Bezier curves with short line
segments.  I suppose if you use short enough lines and you don't mind
many-sided polygons in place of smooth curves, it could be done.

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From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Zip Chips
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:38:41 GMT

I was thinking of buying a used (1 month old) Zip 8/16 for $90 Canadian.. I
was told that this is a good price for zips and that if I wanted I could
later get an upgrade to take it to 19/1meg...That sounds a little far fetched
but I'd love to find out if they can be upgraded, and if it's a Zip offered
thing, or third party chips being placed on the Zip.

Can someone also post a number for Zip...800 or not, preferably both if you
have them as I might not be able to reach the 800 from Canada.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:01:36 GMT

Jim Wong writes
> >
>>	Finally, people would also buy II's because they are a stable machine.  
> >You buy an Apple II and you know that your machine will give you 3-5 years 
> >of good service, and not be "obsolete" in a few months. Home users don't 
> >have $3000 to shell out every 2 years to keep their machines up to speed.
> 
> I can't understand why this non-argument is so pervasive.  It's utterly
> ridiculous.  Just because a new, faster machine comes out, an older one
> isn't necessarily obsolete.  What's wrong with not owning the top
> of the line machine anyway?  I've got a 4 year old Mac IIci that's nowhere
> near the "best" model, but it performs as well as my "top of the line" IIGS.

	Thats my point. Just because a machine doesn't have the latest 586  
doesn't make it stop being useful. However, many people feel that to get their  
machines to do what they want, they have to have the latest hardware and other  
bells and whistles. Our GS's do more now than 5 years ago all because of  
software, and its too bad that more people don't realize that having better  
software is a very good step to getting to the goals that they want.

> >
> >	Also, while Pagemaker is useful, how many average users can afford to  
> >buy a $500+ plus program, hmmm?? Or shell out another good sum for MS Word,  
> >Excel, and a decent painting program? Thats like nearly $1000 right there  
> >alone. Most of the advanced programs for the Mac are not affordable by the  
> >average users. Or unless you *cough* pirate them which of course by the 
> >Mac's GUI is very easy to do. "Click and drag"

> And applications that let you do as much as Word and PageMaker are just as
> expensive on other platforms.  Or nonexistent, as in the case of the IIGS

	Thats not my point. My point was that people brag about how a machine  
has XX program and YY program, like Mathematica. Mathematica costs nearly  
$1,000 or FrameMaker costs nearly as much. Most _Home_ users don't need the  
blazing power of these programs, and take the less advanced programs such as  
Appleworks Classic and Appleworks GS, which does the job that they want to do  
for a fraction of the price. And Appleworks sold very well, it was back in the  
end of the 1980's the 2nd most sold program in history, right behind lotus  
1-2-3 and the only other program to have reached 1 million in sales.

	But the lack of afordable software until recently has been missing on  
the mac. Claris's Clarisworks has been helpful to meet this need, and maybe  
other programs may soon also help fill this void.

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From: markj@nuchat.sccsi.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: NEEDED Info or software for Checkmate Multiram board 
Organization: South Coast Computing Services, Inc.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:58:36 GMT

 I Have a Checkmate multiram board for the GS.  I thiink that was what it
was ccalled.  It allowed 2 ramcards to be installed into the GS and also
back up part of the ram  for a ROM Disk.  

The Program disk that was with the board had been erased, and it does not
seem to do anything.  My guess  is It has to be configured with a program.

If annyone has this card and software please send me via E-mail a copy of
the Program.  Checkmate has been out of business for quite sometime 

       

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From: 90taobri@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 Reliability
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:04:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

The following revelation escaped Tim Meekins's lips:
> 
> I wrote soniqTracker which you mention, and I know of -NO- outstanding
> crash bugs in it. If you can -consistently- crash it let me know. I've
> never seen soniqTracker crash since about version .4. it's possible i have
> a rare strange bug in it, but i've never seen one occur. i've had a few
> reports quit crashes, but no way to verify it was actually soniqTracker
> and no way to reproduce it.

    I've never had sT crash on me, but very often the next desktop
application that comes along will hang (either when the menu bar is drawn,
or before the screen switches from text to SHR).  This never happens unless
I had just quit from sT.  No system error messages, nothing.  It looks like
some memory trashing problem at first glance.  I've never run sT without
DA's or init's long enough to verify that it isn't conflicting with
something else.  However, *only* sT causes the computer to hang (and it
doesn't happen every time either).

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From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
Subject: Re: Wish list for FAX software on the GS
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:48:02 GMT

In article <9212132333.AA26390@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca> 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:

>       Is it possible to answer the fax call and put it on hold until the
>   computer is ready to receive?  How about distinguishing voice calls from
>   data calls from fax calls?
        It depends how long of a wait we are talking about.  The fax
transmission will time out and die if it has to wait too long.
        It is possible to distinquish between data and fax calls if
your modem supports that feature.  It is not possible to distinguish a
voice call except for the fact that you wouldn't get a connect..


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From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Apple II Forever Music
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:21:43 GMT

In article <Bz4Mr7.51w@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett) writes:
>
>
>Will someone be kind enough to record the Apple II Forever song as a 
>digitized sound? It'd be cool to hear/see/etc... Also, I'd love to see
>the GS Commercial in PP 2.0 Sound/Animation.
>
>(Hmm, or can we see 3200 Animation? nahh)
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Roy Barrett - At the infamous meeting at Apple, several of us User Group
officers said that we were not especially interested in watching the Mac
oriented videos that Apple sends to User Groups a few times a year. When
asked what we would like to see on those vids, we talked about old TV ads,
the Apple II Forever song, and old Apple II product intros.

The folks at Apple said that they'd look into doing this. Apparently, Apple
has a huge library of videos, and the User Group Connection folks said
they'd try to include some of the historical Apple II materials for us.

Joe Kohn
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