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From:         "ARE YOU EXCITED?....I KNOW I AM..PGR 2026"
              <AHARDISON@INTEL9.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      RE: Which one is Better?

Well, I am SSI certified (adds to the alphabet soup!) but dive with PADI and
NAUI friends.  This is how it was related to me when I asked that same
question, It does not matter that much as to the program, just as long as you
trust and like the Instructor.  There may be people out there that do not
agree with that, but I found it to be acurate.

I really liked my instructor, and I liked the SSI program.  I do know that
which ever program you go under, they all will teach you, or atleast show you,
how to dive safely and properly.

                                                        Andy Hardison
                                                Ahardison@intel9.intel.com
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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?

>
> Mostly to Chris---
>
> Ok, who on the network is going to take on this question?
>
> I suspect there are some individuals who, like buying Buicks or
> Mercuries or Dodges, have a reasoned loyalty to a particular agency.
> There are indeed some differences of philosophy between not only
> PADI and NAUI but also SSI, IDEA, YMCA, and other agencies that
> teach diving and produce plastic cards for air fills. Some differences
> are overt: YMCA doesn't sell scuba equipment in commercial stores
> whereas PADI and NAUI both do. Some observers see a potential
> conflict of interest here; others don't.
>
> There are other individuals who feel that the stronger loyalties
> are those to a particular instructor. All certifying agencies can
> point to really fine scuba instructors so there is no monopoly here.
> And all agencies have their share of shysters and lazy bums; there's
> no monopoly there, either.
>
> My suggestion is to speak with divers who hold current certifications.
> What dive school taught them? Did they feel comfortable during the
> training? Were they given info on how to dive relaxed and, similarly,
> how to handle some emergencies? Did they get the feeling that the
> instructor was truly teaching...or merely creating new customers for
> her/his store's products? Do divers who did NOT get trained by this
> particular dive school respect the job they are doing? Do competing
> stores/schools respect the school you are considering and its
> proprietor(s)?
>
> That's probably enough lines of e-mail for now. I'm sure other network
> members will weigh in on this one. I hope so because I'd love to hear
> how THEY solve this one...and help furnish a more complete response than
> this one.
>             ----Doug
>

Seems pretty compleat to me!

Cos
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From: hbw@crsa.bu.edu (Howard Wellman)
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Subject: Re: Interesting diving places in Europe
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:09:53 GMT
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	I have several friends who say the Dingle Peninsula in southern Ireland
has wonderful clear water diving.  I've been diving of Whitby, Yorkshire in the
North Sea.  I've also been diving in Cyprus, but there isn't much sea life ther
any more.
Howard Wellman

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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?
              HOME OF THE PENTIUM" at Dec 12, 92 7:26 pm

>
> Greetings,
>
> I am most definitely going to learn how to scuba drive this summer.
> However, I am a little confused about the different schools.
> Which is better PADI or NAUI????
>
> Thanks for the info,
>
> Chris Spatgen
>
> CSPATGEN@AZ.INTEL.COM
>
Ever thought of BSAC??

Cosma

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>From: Walter Ruppert <waru@HP02.BOKU.AC.at>
>Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?
>
>It mostly depends on the instructor, not on the organisation itself.
>I've made open water and advanced courses with both (PADI and NAUI)
>organisations. Because we do only have one teaching NAUI instructor
>in Vienna (Austria) (compared to over 25 PADI instructors) there is
>a great difference in level of teaching IN VIENNA (see below), but
>you cannot generalize it. The program of both organisations is nearly
>the same (other organisatins like CMAS are quite different in the
>program). But here is a great difference what you will get:
>e.g. Advanced Open Water Diver
>                    PADI                      NAUI
>price              3900AS                    3900AS     (=380$)
>Theory (hours)        4                        40
>Dives                 5                        8 O.W +1 Bath training
>
>Again, ths evident difference seems only to occur in Austria.
>

40 hours of theory? What is this NAUI instructor teaching you ?
Seems like a awefull lot to me.
8 dives vs 5 dives; the more the better B-)



Han Weegink (PADI-AOW)
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From:         Michael Naaman <michael@CS.HUJI.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?
              14 Dec 92 10:58:49 GMT."
              <9212141105.AA26601@shingml.cs.huji.ac.il>

In your mail you write:

> > Which is better PADI or NAUI????

> Ever thought of BSAC??
>
> Cosma
>

or CMAS?

=====>   Michael TIDF(CMAS) DM #5980796
           CS System Group, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel
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From:         D_BASKIN@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?

I have just recently been certified.  My instructor happened to use the YMCA
program.  He was very good, and I'm sure I would have been just as well
trained if his certification had been from one of the other organizations.
Moral:  the certifying agency is probably less important than the quality of
the instructor.

Dale Baskin   <d_baskin@ccnode.colorado.edu>
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From:         GRATHE THE IMMORTAL CARDINAL <LAPORTEM@OSHKOSHW.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Yellowing of silicon mask.

Date sent:  13-DEC-1992 23:52:38
>
>I have a clear silicon mask that is yellowing. What can I do to
>bring it back to clear and prevent this from happing again??
>
>Thanks in Advance,
>
>Chris Spatgen
>
>CSPATGEN@AZ.INTEL.COM


Chris,

        You might want to try a silicon spray to CLEAN it a little. Note not
clear.  Just spray some on a rag, and the wipe the silicon areas down with it.
Not too heavy tho.  This will clean it a little, and will also preserve it
longer(ie it wont dry or crack as fast).  I dont know of anyway to get rid of
it, it is a fairly natural occurance with silicon masks to yellow with age and
use from what I understand.
A couple of suggestions:
        1. Keep it away from black rubber products, they tend to make it yellow
                        faster.
        2. Rinse it extremely well after each use, helps it look nicer.

        3. Don't leave it in direct sunlight for long periods of time.

Hope this helps  :)

Mike
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From:         "CHRIS SPATGEN @ INTEL CH3-23,
              HOME OF THE PENTIUM" <CSPATGEN@AZ.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Yellowing of silicon mask.

I have a clear silicon mask that is yellowing. What can I do to
bring it back to clear and prevent this from happing again??

Thanks in Advance,

Chris Spatgen

CSPATGEN@AZ.INTEL.COM
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From:         "Tony.Kuhlman" <ADP64@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Diving in Campbell River, BC, Canada

>
> Has anyone been diving in Campbell River, BC Canada recently? If so, where d
> you stay? Where would you recommend to stay? Who did you dive with? PLease
> reply to billwinn@u.washington.edu  or here.
> Thanks, Bill Winn

Bill, some friends of mine were out there within the last year or so, and said
they had a great time.  I'll find out who and where and so forth, and get back
to you.

Tony Kuhlman
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Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?

Andy Hardison hit the nail on the head. The letters of the agency are not the
least bit important. The key is the instructor. Get a good one that you like
and that teaches in a manner that fits your learning style and take whatever
certification she/he offers.

Bill VanderClock          PADI OWSI #200330
WVANDERC@BENTLEY          "Dr. Deep"
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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Interesting diving places in Europe

> I've also been diving in Cyprus, but there isn't much sea life there
> any more.
> Howard Wellman
>
Did you dive the Zenobia??

If not then you missed an excellent dive.


Cosma

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From:         "Tony.Kuhlman" <ADP64@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Campbell River BC Canada

> From:         William Winn <billwinn@CARSON.U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
>
> Has anyone been diving in Campbell River, BC Canada recently? If so, where d
> you stay? Where would you recommend to stay? Who did you dive with? PLease
> reply to billwinn@u.washington.edu  or here.
> Thanks, Bill Winn

OK, my friend who dove Campbell River highly recommends Abyssal Dive Charters,
of Campbell River, BC.  He said the captain was Mike Richmond.  The outfit
has a couple of boats (no idea as to size, however) and offers housing and
meals, too, I believe.  The price was $90 Canadian per day for room, board,
and diving.  My friend said that it was some of the best diving he has ever
done, and that includes the caribbean, too.  Sorry, but he didn't have a phone
number for Mike or the charter at hand when I called him.

  He also said that the captain knows a ton of some of the best (and worst)
jokes that he had ever heard, and also to ask him about the time that his boat
was stolen.  Tell him that the crew from Lansing, Michigan, (Mike, Mark, Tom,
etc) said "hi".
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From:         "CHRIS SPATGEN @ INTEL CH3-23,
              HOME OF THE PENTIUM" <CSPATGEN@AZ.INTEL.COM>
Subject:      Which one is Better?

Greetings,

I am most definitely going to learn how to scuba drive this summer.
However, I am a little confused about the different schools.
Which is better PADI or NAUI????

Thanks for the info,

Chris Spatgen

CSPATGEN@AZ.INTEL.COM
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:56:51 TSI
From:         Sima Etaner <BBETANER@TRITU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?

I have a CMAS bronze divers' pass, which I got this summer.  The
reason I chose CMAS was that I had no other alternative at the place
where I was on vacation.  However I must emphasize strongly that I
was very pleased with all the instructors and the course itself.  I
can't make any remarks about the other agencies but I can recommend
CMAS.
I must add one thing : The agency may be important, but I believe
that it's the instructor which is more important.  You must trust him/her
and believe in his/her ability to instruct you and show you what to do
in case of an emergency.

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Istanbul Technical University
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From: billwinn@carson.u.washington.edu (William Winn)
Subject: Campbell River BC Canada
Keywords: Campbell River
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 02:51:54 GMT

Has anyone been diving in Campbell River, BC Canada recently? If so, where did you stay? Where would you recommend to stay? Who did you dive with? PLease reply to billwinn@u.washington.edu  or here.
Thanks, Bill Winn
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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Which one is Better?

>
> That's probably enough lines of e-mail for now. I'm sure other network
> members will weigh in on this one. I hope so because I'd love to hear
> how THEY solve this one...and help furnish a more complete response than
> this one.
>             ----Doug
>
Seems pretty compleat to me!

Cos

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From: kwgrogan@vax1.tcd.ie
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Subject: Re: Interesting diving places in Europe
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:21:44 GMT
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In article <104755@bu.edu>, hbw@crsa.bu.edu (Howard Wellman) writes:
> 
> 	I have several friends who say the Dingle Peninsula in southern Ireland
> has wonderful clear water diving.

Yes, I can heartily recommend the Dingle peninsula. As it opens onto
the Atlantic, the water is VERY clear all year-round. I was there for
one week during the summer and had a great time. There is some-one there
who rents cottages (well modern houses really) and has a purpose built
shed for diving clubs. It has a compressor (if I remember correctly) as
well as a drying room - handy on those cold wet days and a large garage
which you can put your boat into. But best of all it's only 5 minutes
walk from a really good pub!! If you want further details, mail me
(groganj@cs.man.ac.uk - this is my brothers account.) and I'll dig up
the brochures for more info.
	John.
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I forgot a very important recent book on FLA research:

Kramsch, C. & al. (eds) 1992:  Text and Context.  Cross-Disciplinary
    Perspectives on Language STudy. Lexington, MA: D.C. Heath.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Subject:      Re: Basic Translation

I am teaching a Basic Translation course next semester.  Does anyone have
suggestions for texts or good reference materials?  Any input will be
appreciated.  Thanks!

Phil Thomason
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I am looking for recent literature on second language acquisition and
foreign language acquisition (through formal teaching), because I'm
working on a method book dealing with teaching English as a foreign
language outside native-English countries. Any information will be
cherished.

Thank you all and a happy holiday!

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              Thomason" at Dec 15, 92 02:45:34 pm

What are the source language and target language in your trnaslation
course? Is this a practice-based course or a theory-based course or
both? In addition to excercise materials, you may need some translation
textbooks. I suggest the following books:
Eugene A. Nida's books
Peter Newmark's books
Nida's theory of functional equivalence is widely used, which I used to
introduce to my students. Peter Newmark's books are very useful for
practice. I will be happy to talk more about this topic with you.
Good luck

zinan Ye
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