HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:48:28 GMT

In article <1ecmfqINNns1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.212652.9570@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>>There's a good idea for this newsgroup!  Let's put together an FAQ for
>>pronunciation of Oregon cities.  I cringe when I hear people 
>>mis-pronounce Tigard.  (Correct: TIE-gard, Incorrect: tiggerd).
>>
>>Here's a start:
>>Salem  SAY-lem
>>Portland  PORT-lund.
>>Eugene  you-GENE
>>Oregon City  OR-uh-gun SIT-ee  (gun, not gone)
>>Metzger  METZ-ger
>
>Perhaps adding Aloha and The Dalles would be appropriate.
                ^^^^^
How DO you pronounce it anyway?  Reason why I asked:  I'm from Hawaii. :-)

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Measure 9
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:55:22 GMT

ogg@physics.carleton.ca writes:

> ---------------------------------------
> Oregon #9:
>  
>         This state shall not recognize any categorical provision such as
> ``sexual preference,'' and similar phrases that includes homosexuality,
> pedophilia, sadism or masochism.  Quotas, minority status, affirmative
> action, or any similar concepts, shall not apply to these forms of
> conduct, nor shall government promote these behaviors.
>  
>         State, regional, local governments and their properties and monies
> shall not be used to promote, encourage or facilitate homosexuality,
> pedophilia, sadism or masochism.
>  
>         State, regional and local governments and their departments,
> agencies and other entities, including specifically the State Department
> of Higher Education and the public schools, shall assist in setting a
> standard for Oregon's youth that recognizes homosexuality, pedophilia,
> sadism and masochism as abnormal, wrong, unnatural, and perverse and that
> these behaviors are to be discouraged and avoided.
>  
>         It shall be considered that it is the intent of the people in
> enacting this section that if any part thereof is held unconstitutional,
> the remaining parts shall be held in force.

One of the weird things about the above is that Paragraph 1 and Paragraph 3
actually oppose each other.

Paragraph 1 states that the "state shall not recognize any categorical
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
provisions such as . . . phrases that includes homosexuality . . . "

Paragraph 3 states that "State, regional and local governments . . . shall
assist in setting a standard . . . that recognizes homosexuality . . .".
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can the state recognize but yet again not recognize?  Just another point
of how badly worded (but still scary) Measure 9 was.  Still, I have no doubt
the OCA will reword Measure 9 for 1994.  sigh . . . 

allen
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:00:29 GMT

True test for "real" Oregonians is the pronunciation of Champoeg..

Of course then there's the 45 words to describe precipitation!

-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:10:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.050029.6493@qiclab.scn.rain.com> al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:
>True test for "real" Oregonians is the pronunciation of Champoeg..
                                                         ^^^^^^^^
Hmmm... Hey, I think I forgot to rinse my hair when I took my shower this 
morning.  Thus I guess my hair is kinda "shampooey".  (Sorry...)

That's a really neat park... I got to see it pretty well when I ran a 20-k
race there in February.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: Reed College 
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:13:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.223010.11757@reed.edu> pbray@envy.reed.edu (Peter Bray) writes:
>What other reedies read this?
>Also, I think that only people with Oregon email addresses should be  
>allowed to post here!!!
>Go away all you wannabes!
>Peter

You have a right to your own opinions, but I have a right to mine too.
And I think you should go jump in Crater Lake!
LEWIS & CLARK RULES!!!!!

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:26:52 GMT

In article <tc#@byu.edu> earlyd@gecko.ee.byu.edu (David Early) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov17.201418.26999@leland.Stanford.EDU>, hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen) writes:
>>
>>how please to pronounce the following word:
>>
>>
>>                   TUALATIN

>Try this
>
>	TOO-WAL-LA-TON
>
>Dave Early

There's a good idea for this newsgroup!  Let's put together an FAQ for
pronunciation of Oregon cities.  I cringe when I hear people 
mis-pronounce Tigard.  (Correct: TIE-gard, Incorrect: tiggerd).

Here's a start:
Salem  SAY-lem
Portland  PORT-lund.
Eugene  you-GENE
Oregon City  OR-uh-gun SIT-ee  (gun, not gone)
Metzger  METZ-ger

sjs
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Let's here it for MICRO BREWS!!! 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 04:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.220911.3428@lclark.edu> rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem) writes:
>the subject says it all.  when i moved to Boulder for a few monthes 2 summers
>ago, what i really missed was the mico brew.  i love the stuff.
>
>my favorites...
>
>Ruby
>and of course,
>Terminator- the Fulton Pub
>
>eric
>rorem@lclark.edu

ooooohhh... Terminator Stout.  Now there's a beer that'll put hair on your
chest.  There are around 25 of their bars around Oregon, and one of 'em in
Eugene was across the street from my apartment.  Probably wasn't too conducive
to my studying.  Oh well, at least it was fun.

Bill


Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: mcdowell@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike McDowell)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:23:04 GMT

dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:

>Yaquina is NOT Ya-qwi-na.  It is Ya-KEEN-a.  Weird, but true.


Hmm... I guess even Oregonians will disagree - everybody I know says
Ya-qui-na.

>How about that beautiful beach which sports the Devil's Elbow; Hecata Head --
>pronounced Heck-A-da.

> Any Newport natives out there; to confirm?  Actually I would be surprised if 
>anyone from Newport is intelligent enough to gain access to this net :-) 

Since it rains too much in Newport to get any *flames* going, this will 
probably pass without comment :)

>Kent Dietz
>Junction City High (1980), OSU (1985)


Mike McDowell
mcdowell@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: bsy+@CS.CMU.EDU (Bennet Yee)
Subject: Re: Woodstocks Pizza
Reply-To: bsy+@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Cranberry Melon, School of Cucumber Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:49:12 GMT

In article <1ehebdINNfh1@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, bosticj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jason Bostick) writes:
>I feel sorry for you Guys...Woodstocks is Great at 10:00 at night.

Care to Fedex me a 'za?  :) :)

-bsy

-- 
Bennet S. Yee		Phone: +1 412 268-7571		Email: bsy+@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
From: bosticj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jason Bostick)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Thanks
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:59:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

Thanks for all the cool coments you all are making...It makes living here at OSUmore enjoyable...I'm originally from Newport and I am now a Freshman here at 
OSU.  

If you want any information about the coast, Corvallis, or the Beavers...Just e-mail me and I'll send you want you ant.

Thanks..
Jason p. Bostick
Bosticj@storm.cs.orst.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer)
Subject: Re: new thread
Keywords: Ashland, etc.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:38:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.175252.17823@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cgothe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol L Gothe) writes:

>Thinking about going "home" crosses my mind now and again, once I get out of 
>this fine educational facility, but I just feel like there is no way of making 
>it there.  Does anyone else have an opinion?
>Carol Gothe, expatriate, lowly grad student

I'd love to go back, but as a fellow grad student and future prof, I must
say the universities in oregon don't look too attractive.  Neither
Oregon nor Oregon State can afford to pay competitive salaries, and there
isn't much research done anywhere in the state.  I think the state should
close one of the campuses and concentrate their resources on producing
one really good state university, rather than 2 mediocre ones...

sjs
From: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: How is the Net financed and what does it cost?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 05:54:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This is a repost.

In a previous article, hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) says:

>     Whenever I post a message to Usenet using Pnews, I see a
>message persuading me NOT to post because of the expense that is
>bourn by the funders of the Networks. Is this the truth? (Or is
>this from the old days of telephone connections?) I am doing a
>paper on the origins and development of Usenet, and my professor
>has asked me to explore the financing of the Net.
>
>     So, I am curious about two things:
>
>     1) How are the networks (Internet, NSFNet, Regional Net-
>works, Usenet, UUCPnet, etc) financed? Who pays for the upkeep
>and maintenance?
>
>and
>
>     2) What are the costs to send electronic mail messages and
>data packets? And are there other costs?
>
>     Thank you,
>
>     -Michael
>     hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
>
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: group name
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:30:45 GMT

      Actually, a group name like "alt.labor.amateur-comp" might work
better.  It would be good to get some groups going on labor issues.
How about creating, say "alt.labor.grievances", "alt.labor.organizing",
"alt.labor.announce" (for events, meetings, etc.) for starters.  

					John Nagle

[Disclaimer: I'm ownership, not labor.]
From: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: (no subject given)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 05:51:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This is a repost.

In a previous article, hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) says:

>  I am interested in the technical explanation and general theory
>of how Usenet Posts are transported between the original location
>and the rest of the Usenet. I am doing research for a paper about
>the origins and explosion of Usenet and connectivity. My Profes-
>sor has asked me to include some explanation how messages are
>transported.
>
>     Thank You,
>     -Michael
>     hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
>
From: bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jay Robert Hauben)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Re: How Are Usenet Posts Transported?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 06:13:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



>
>This is a repost.
>
>In a previous article, hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) says:
>
>>  I am interested in the technical explanation and general theory
>>of how Usenet Posts are transported between the original location
>>and the rest of the Usenet. I am doing research for a paper about
>>the origins and explosion of Usenet and connectivity. My Profes-
>>sor has asked me to include some explanation how messages are
>>transported.
>>
>>     Thank You,
>>     -Michael
>>     hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
>>
>
>

Newsgroups: alt.manga
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: AnimeStuff?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:15:14 GMT

In article <41031@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> zz1bb@impending.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown) writes:
>
>But it's true; output has slowed to about three issues per year at best.  I
>think the editor, Tom Mitchell, has been busy with school and work lately.

Then again, still comes out more often than Animag. ^O^  Tom lost Anime
Stuff 18 and 19 to a hard disk crash.  He's currently rebuilding those. :(

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From: zz1bb@impending.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.manga
Subject: Re: AnimeStuff?
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:29:06 GMT

In <1e00mbINN15a@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> chri4000@w254zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Christian Klass) writes:

>what happend to the electronic magazine ANIME STUFF????
>It appears to be stopped since `91 or so!?!

Then you're probably missing issues 16 and 17, which are currently on the
distribution site network.ucsd.edu in anime/anime.stuff.

But it's true; output has slowed to about three issues per year at best.  I
think the editor, Tom Mitchell, has been busy with school and work lately.

-- 
Barry E. Brown        --        \  UCSD Instructional Computing Center
bebrown@ucsd.{edu,uucp,bitnet}   \   Anime Stuff FTP Server administrator
Somewhere in San Diego, CA.....   \    (ftp network.ucsd.edu [132.239.254.203])
"Stimpy, sometimes your wealth of ignorance astounds me." -- Ren
From: pickwick@sw.stratus.com (Michael Pickwick)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: the most beautiful women in the world
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:31:43 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: osa.sw.stratus.com

Don't forget Garth's mom..(babelicious!!)


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From: maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Graley)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson -- Faint Praise
Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:00:18 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: saffron.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <Bxo840.9q6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
>lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes:
>
>(Re bimbo ads.)
>
>>(mature people are able to ignore them)
>>-- 
>>"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
>
>The same argument could be used to condone the racist depictions of 
>blacks, used in American advertising early in this century. It's a 
>similar case of media images being used to convey that only one body type
>is worthwhile.
>

But being a model in such an advert is the ambition of a great many women.
Not the same as your analogy.

> ...Cindy Crawford...
is very rich.
> ...Elle MacPherson...
is, too.

>             ...Would they pin up giant Teenage Mutant Ninja
>Turtles posters?

Love 'em! That's my right. Whats your problem with that?
Too intellectual for TMNT?
Too feminist for E Mc P?
Too interventionist for your own good?

>(On the other hand, I certainly don't want to ban the damn things.

Just attack their owners. I haven't ever seen E Mc P, but still get the
impression I should email you to obtain a free 'political correctness
certificate' for everything on my walls!

~Morley
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:26:01 EST
From: <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> (Long Phamdo rocking PSU)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: THE 5 MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN THE UNIVERSE


greetings mostest excellento friendos

Long-Man here

here it is..

    1. Barbara Bush (*ssluurrpp*)
    2. Rosanne Barr (when she was 300+ pounds minus makeup)
    3. Queen Elizabeth (Have you seen her in her bathing suit *slurpy*)
    4. Yoko Ono (John's such a lucky guy)
    5. The girl who sits next to me in psychology..yeah the one that
       looks like uncle Harry and occupies 2 seats..I'm in LOVE

snuff said

                     --==da LoNg-Man==--
From: stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Elle gets part in Arnold's new movie
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:32:35 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Hey, I see in the paper this morning that Elle beat out Cindy for
a part in Arnold Schwarzenegger's new movie (can't remember the
name -- The Last something-or-other or something like that). He
gave them both private auditions without the other knowing and
Elle got the part. Anyone know any more about it?

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University of Otago,            Phone: +64 3 479-8179
Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.           Fax:   +64 3 479-8311
"ResEdit development is an oxymoron." -- Jon Pugh
From: egilmour@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re:  Supermodels contribute to spiraling low self-esteem.
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:00:51 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

>891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.18202.9195@tellab5.tellabs.com> chrz@tellabs.com (Peter
Chrzanowski) writes:
>>>In article<1dsbfhINN8hi@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
writes
>>>If someone makes you feel relatively unattractive by what they say
>>>or do, and then you happen to see some poster of some supermodel...

>>Perhaps feminists would feel better about themselves if the only pictures 
>>in magazine ads, posters, etc. were of ugly sloppy pathetic women.  Is that 
>>a solution to their self-esteem problems?  I doubt it.

>REAL WOMEN!!! that's all- no more, no less (and for the record, how can one
>tell that an ugly and sloppy woman is *pathetic*?)
>Sincerely,
>Trish

Trish, REAL WOMEN are used in ads, but they are usually represented in
the "before" shots in "before and after" ads, you know the ones - "I used
to look like this(sloppy and fat) but then I used such and such and now 
I'm a beauty queen", 
or the nutri system ad where the REAL WOMAN is shown all sloppy in 
sweats and keeps returning to the scale only to have the speaking scale
berate her for being ugly and pathetic when finally after using 
Nutri System she is transformed into a size 8 and returns to the scale
in a black mini-dress and is obviously going out to get laid whereas
before Nutri System she couldn't get a man.

Anyway, the problem I see with the fellow quoted above is that he equates
REAL WOMEN with being ugly, sloppy, and pathetic and I think that some ads 
perpetuate this idea.  In ads REAL WOMEN  are portrayed in the worst light, 
in pictures they are photographed to appear even larger than they actually are
and don't have all of the models tricks such as how to stand to 
look their slimmest.  

This is not to say that all ads use REAL WOMEN in this light; as one other
poster pointed out it is all a matter of casting and this subsequently 
depends on who the target audience is.  So, as in the Lands' End catalogues, 
the models are supposed to represent REAL WOMEN because for Lands'End
the target market is REAL WOMEN because their product is for REAL WOMEN.
Notice these REAL WOMEN don't look slobby etc...because that would not
suit the purpose of the advertiser.  On the other hand, to suit other purposes
ads will make the look of the REAL WOMAN appear undesirable so that the 
consumer will buy the product so they can look more like a beauty queen or 
get laid whereas they couldn't before when they were just a 
real woman(as in the NutriSystem) ad.

Janet
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels