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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Heisman Trophy
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:07:43 GMT

jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:

>There was a informal poll done on pro scouts opinion of Gino Toretta, most
>did not rank him as a very good prospect in fact he will be lucky to go in
>the second round. Some of the comments about him:

>-poor field vision
     This is interesting because one of his strong points has been
     his ability to read defenses
>-product of a very good system
     Agreed - this will probably drop him a round or two.
>-generally throws the ball up for grabs
     Complete bullshit !   He passed for over 3000 yds and 19 TDs
     and had only 7 intercepts. If he threw it up for grabs his intercept
     ratio would be much higher (See Charlie Ward esp early in the season).
>-very good receivers on the team tend to bail him out
     Some truth to this as with any quarterback but he also has laid
     many a bomb right in a receivers hands. When Gino throws down the 
     middle on a crossing pattern he is told to throw the ball low to
     avoid the INT. When you see his receivers grab a ball a foot off
     the ground it may look like they're bailing him out but they are
     expected to catch that pass and indeed run that exact 
     situation in practice hundreds of times.

Justin - the second round ain't so bad - Frederich
From: valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:42:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Dec15.220057.21817@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:

>I think it is about time for USC coaches and fans to seriously reconsider the
>value of the USC-ND series. IMHO, this series has already costed USC too much:
>USC has lost 10 in a row and being casted the image of "owned by ND". It costed
>the USC at least 2 potential chances for the NC. And I believe it also costed
>USC a lot recruiting opportunities (who want to go to a football team being owned
>by another team?)
> 
>Dropping the series, even temporarily, can give the coaches, players, and fans
>an opportunity to regroup themselves, relieve their mental burdens, and give
>them a break to come back to the NC pursuit. Keep playing and trying to break
>the losing streak may just kill the entire football team. I think at least the
>Trojans should consider to change the series, if not dropping it, to something
>like playing once every 2 or 3 years, not year after year. 
> 

>it will relieve USC a lot. Yes, someone will call USC chicken if they drop the
>series, but being a chicken is better than being humiliated year after year.
>I believe many people will flame on me and they believe the streak will end
>someday, but this "someday" hopes may just extend the streak to 11, 12, 13, or N
>as well. When you cannot cross a barier you may want to think of bypassing it.
>It is not a good choice but I don't see better alternatives. I'd rather see USC
>end up 12-0 without playing ND than the other way.
>
>Next year at South Bend, forget it, 11 in a row!! 

>USC a lot recruiting opportunities (who want to go to a football team being owned
>by another team?)


TJ,

Ok let me get this straight. Since SC has had a long losing streak against ND,
the best way to correct the situation is by acting like spoiled little brats
and run home to mommy? Is that what your saying? The USC/ND series by far has
been (and still is) one of the greatest college football rivalries around so
they shouldn't tinker with it. I've been just as frustrated what has happened
the last 10 years, but eliminating the game in an attempt to improve our record
is ridiculous. I remember many times when McKay, Robinson, Tolliner and even
Smith during a close game with ND (which many of them have been), would tell
their players: "This is why you came to SC". Even if they lost or won, players
that sign the letter of intent to play for the University,expect to be playing 
against the cream of the crop, and one of them just so happens to be (Now dont
kill me Trojan fans) Notre Dame. If you still claim to be a Trojan fan just
hope that Conway and McGinest make the RIGHT decision and stay for their senior
years. Because if they do, anything could happen!

Fight On,
Valdis
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From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: U of Miami announces the Heisman winner
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa 
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:19:48 GMT

In article <42407@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>Who else.. the Lee Corso's favorite player..
>
>In a press guide [containing players biographies]
>sent to the Daily Aztec, the San Diego
>State U newspaper, the U of Miami declared GT the winner of the Heisman
>this year. Included in all the awards given to GT over the years, right
>along the Bob Hope Oldest Man in College Football trophy, was the Heisman.

Why would U of Miami announce Georgia Tech as the Heisman Trophy?  How
could an entire team win it any way?

Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.college:24109 rec.sport.baseball.college:620
From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Peter Gardere playing baseball for the horns ?..
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.baseball.college
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:23:48 GMT
Distribution: usa


  I heard a rumour from a friend in Austin that Peter Gardere
  (our beloved..oops..hated QB for the last four years) is going
  to play baseball for the longhorns during this year, his final
  year of eligibility !

  Is this true ?  I do remember that there was some talk of him playing
  basbeall when he was recruited, but I don't think he ever did 
  anything.

  Peter playing shortstop ?!!   Hey, it should be fun to watch him
  underthrow or overthrow the first base.  Or may be he will hold on
  to the ball and go down taking the base runner to be an A&M line-
  backer !

  GO HORNS !

  Jay
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Subject: Re: Kansas loses 2 players to AlohaBowl
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:11:33 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Dec18.200122.26391@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
>>I really am sorry to hear that--but at least they weren't injured.  As you
>>probably know, BYU will be starting their 4th string quarterback (lost the
>>first 3 to injuries).  Maybe with this news we'll stand a chance :)

What? I hadn't heard that...yet at least, that BYU's first 3 QBs are
injured.  How much playing time has number 4 had?
>>
>
>This brings up a scary thought for Florida State.  It hasn't happened this
>season, but if Charlie Ward gets hurt then the next QB in line is true
>freshman Danny Kannell.  .......................................... Stay
>healthy Charlie!!!
>
Not to mention that FSU would like to see Charlie on court, dribbling,too.
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Color Nicknames Current List
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:53:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.130820.5138@news.nd.edu> Jim Pinkelman <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu> writes:
>Although I may have missed one or two during the compilation, here 
>is the current list:  (Thanks for all the replies)
How about the Golden Gusties of Gustavus Adolphus College in St. Peter, MN?

I know, it's a weird name, but it's in the MIAC, and believe me there are worse.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu


>
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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:01:26 GMT

|> In article <1992Dec11.021221.177598@ua1ix.ua.edu>, rsumner@ho11.eng.ua.edu
|> (Richard J. Sumner) wrote:
|> > 
|> > In article <aggie-081292145918@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
|> > >Now, if the Tide hadn't been yellow and played as originally scheduled,
|> > >they may have lost...injured quarterback, wasn't it??? They should
|> > >have played the hand they were dealt, but came up with a wimpy excuse
|> > >instead.
|>  
|> > Did I miss something.  IRA, exactly WHAT are you blithering about???
|> > 
|> > What was we yellow about, and what schedule did we change??
|> > Seriously, this is not a flame, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????

[An AGGurate description of the circumstances deleted]

|> It must merely be coincidental that your starting QB was out
|> with an injury. The yellow remark is an inside joke for any
|> Aggies on the net who were in CStation at the time. Shortly
|> after the events outlined above, several enterprising students
|> designed, made and sold tshirts that said:
|> 
|> Tide: Get's the YELLOW out.
|> 
|> I don't recall if they used any licensed designs, Bama claimed
|> they did, and forced *A&M* to force the students to stop selling
|> them. They must have, but it came across as Yet Mo' Bama Whining.

    I hadn't heard that one.  Any hard evidence to back it up?  Sounds more like
aTm wanted to keep the students from giving Alabama any more reason to flail them
than the rather vocal "they're scared to play us but we'll show 'em when they
get here" drivel that was (*was* being the operative word) being spouted to the
four winds.  To complete the memory refresh, the Tide rolled into aggieville and
"Got the BS out".  Kinda obsoleted the shirts anyway.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
      Country Club Engineering - "We don't know what we think." 

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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:37:31 GMT
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In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>
>Bowl			Location
>----			--------
>California Raisin	Fresno CA
>Bluebonnet		??
>Tangerine 		??
>Garden State
>Cherry
>
>Please post any additions you can come up with.
>
>R Dendy
>

Gotham Bowl,  The Big Apple
-- 
Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.201304.9015@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:

>Howard?  The guy who brought us the Heisman pose?  The Backbone of the 
						    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Washington Redskins?  And I thought you were a net.guru . . .
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is a joke, right?

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From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: Defunct Bowl Games
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:23:37 GMT

The Bluebonnet Bowl used to be the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl and
was held in the Houston Astrodome. The Tangerine Bowl was in
Orlando, Fla., I believe. I don't know about the others.

Kay Jones
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:09:47 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) wrote:
}
}Paul (Bear) Bryant (I assume this is the coach Bryant y'all meant, in arguably
}the best college football coach of all time coached (BLASPHEMY AHEAD) at schools
}other than Alabama (BLASPHEMY WARNING ENDED).  This being the case it is quite
}possible that he did beat Alabama.

The trivia question which Jeff asked was "Which team WHICH HE FACED MORE THAN
ONCE (besides Notre Dame) did Bear Bryant never beat?"  Now it seems pretty
clear to me that by giving "Alabama" as my answer I am implicitly stating
that Bear Bryant did indeed face Alabama more than once, so your bizarre
attempt at correcting me is misguided at best.  Add to this the fact that
Bryant faced Alabama exactly twice as a head coach (both while at Kentucky)
and lost exactly both of those games and it becomes even more puzzling.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:04:30 GMT

garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe) writes:

>In last year's Seattlle Times Rose Bowl preview they had the Huskies beating
>Hawaii in the  Pineapple Bowl sometime in the thirties (help Cliff).

Hey don't ask me for help--Mark's the guy with the statistics and I am not
as old as Grandpa Charlie.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: katcher@england.ece.cmu.edu (Daniel I Katcher)
Subject: Cleveland Question
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:37:19 GMT


Hey - Does anybody know who plays nose tackle for the Browns?

Respond via e-mail, please.

Thanks,

Dan
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Low SAQ play by SF 49ers + Giants!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:55:13 GMT

In article <42734@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>* Give the 49ers a low Situational Awareness Quotient for the TB game.
>  What in the world were Siefert, Shanahan and co. thinking by throwing
>  the football on a 3rd and 10 with a 21-14 lead, and with 1:04 left on the
>  clock *and* with Tampa Bay having spent all its timeouts?? Instead, they
>  should have run up the middle, use up 45 secs off the clock and then put
>  with 15 secs left pn the clock. If you are going to pass, try a higher 
>  percentage play than the fly to Rice.
>
Well, their immediate goal was to obtain a 1st down and gain possession
of the ball and then run the clock out. However, I also could not 
understand why they chose such an ill-advised sweep! Perhaps the Coaches 
were thinking, Hmmmm, "Now everyone knows we will run up the middle." 
Hmmm, "Let's trick them and R-U-N a sweep and catch them off guard." NOT! 
>
>* Result: Sweat it out till the end, and have to break up a hail mary in 
>  the end-zone. I thought that the 40whiners had learnt their lesson on 
>  hail marys. 
>
I wouldn't complain too much. The Hail Mary was for not.
>
>* Somebody tell me why SF keeps insisting on running that wide [and I mean
>  real wide] sweep-toss running plays. It seems to take forever to 
>  develop.  Watters and Lee run much better 
>  off-tackle or up the middle. I saw Roger Craig run that play to death
>  in his final year with the 49ers [avergae gain for that play seemed to 
>  be -2 yds/pop.]
>
Running wide, or having Taylor, Sherrard or Rice run a reverse is 
something the Niners run and sometimes, in the right situations has
worked perfectly. When it doesn't work, then we all complain. I
believe these plays are good because it keeps the D "honest". Nothing
like a good executed sweep right/left when the D is expecting a
run up the middle or a pass, and a line of blockers knocking the D
on their asses or cutting them to make them fall on their faces.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dr. Strangelove)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What is a "Packer"? Viking fan wants to know
Date: 19 Dec 1992 15:11:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Dec19.020642.25510@news2.cis.umn.edu> dubear@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Dubear Kroening) writes:
>Since not one of the replies so far has tried to answer the first question,
>I'll give it a shot.  I believe that the term Packers is derived from a
>large business in Green Bay, the Green Bay *Packaging* Co.  This was (I don't
>know if it still is) an important Co. in Green Bay for many years.  My 
>Grandfather worked at the Box Factory, which I believe is some sort of 
>offshoot, as there are many paper product Co. in Green Bay (someone correct
>me if I'm wrong).

Actually it's named after the Indian Packaging Co. Now long gone.
But Green Bay Packaging Co. is still there, last I saw (about 5 years ago),
they had the Packer logo on their trucks. 
The other main stay besides paper, is meat packing. Man when the weather
is warm and muggy in the summer, and you can't figure out what that
smell is, let me know.

>I'm surprised no one mentioned anything about the fudge Packers (although my
>grandmother worked for Gold Bond Ice Cream and they had some great fudge).

Don't laugh too hard. When I was a senior in high school, a friend of mine,
a Philippine foriegn exchange student went to the Packer game. Well
the following monday at lunch, Jake lamented the fact the Packers had
lost in the last two minutes of the game, to the 49'ers. In a quote
I'll never forget Jake said, "Those damn Fudge Packers lost again!"
He didn't realize what he said, he really thought that was their team
name. Well the rest of us eating our lunches looked at him like he 
lost his marbles but kept eating. Jake realized some thing was amiss
stopped me after lunch to asked what was up. Well I said, "The team name
for the Packers is, The Green Bay Packers. Do you know what a *fudge packer*
is?" To which Jake replied, "no..." And I went on to tell him...
Well Jake said,"oh..." and then he laughed. So when ever the Packers lose,
they become the "Fudge Packers" at my house.

>Believe me, only true fans (like me?) would still call the Packers their 
>favorite team after their long drought (I wasn't really old enough to remeber
>the Glory Years).

Me too, and I don't remember the Glory Years.

>Wait till next year
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Packer Fan motto.

>Dubear

Ken


-- 
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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: Packers--No way Jose
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:47:10 CST

In article <1992Dec9.145039.46@kirk.msoe.edu> wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu writes:
>	There is no possible way that the Green Bay Packers will make
>the playoffs this year!!!  I do have great respect and admiration for the
>job that the coaching staff and players have done, but the Pack will not
>be back this year.  The NFC central is consistently the weakest division
>in the Conference, therefore the only reason that the Pack is winning is
>simply because they do not play any quality teams.  Wake up Wisconsin!!!!
>The Packers are not that good, they are a whole new offensive line, a 
>quarterback and a quality running game away from being a legitimate contender.
>The defense is tolerable, but as always the DB's need some serious help.
>The Leroy Butler situation is very disappointing to say the least, but
>all he did with one hit is what that cheap shot, spearing master Chuck Cecil
>does 20-30 times every game.  The NFL offices should review his performances
>and they will find that Mr. Cecil hardly ever makes a hit before the play is
>blown dead or even uses anything but his helmet.  Does the man have arms?
>The spearing has got to stop, if it doesn't there are going to be far too many
>serious injuries before the season is finally over.  I would like to part with
>this question...Don Majkowski had a descent season a few years ago, then held
>out, now he is fallen by the wayside of Bret Favre.  My question is will Bret
>do the same stupid thing as that other idiot Majkowski did?  I have to 
>seriously believe that he will.
>
>Go Pittsburgh Steelers --- 1992 World Champions!!!
>
>--John--
Well, well, well, nothing like someone who's probably seen one Packer game the
whole season, yet feels he's justified to pass judgment on them.  First of all,
Cecil plays good, hard hitting football, kind of like RON WOODSONl.  Second of
all, Brett Favre is NOTHING like Majkowski, the Pack is NOT pulling out last
minute victories this year, like in '89.  Third of all, this SECOND rate team,
just happened to kick your Steelers asses in week four, or had you conveniately
forgotten?

-Chris C.


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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: The Ten Commandments of R.S.F.P
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:57:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I agree totally, but I never said I'd grow up !!!!
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