HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: NZ has fuckwitz too!
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  2 Sep 92 00:17:46 GMT

Simon.Cole@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Simple Simon Dick Hole) writes:


>I read in some news group that Indonesia is going to buy some SCUD MISSILES

>	Now which packa shit country is in range of those muthas??

(1) Xenophobic wannabe cliche lovers earn no respect.

(2) The Indonesian military/political complex appears more prone to killing
    their own people with weapons...

(3) Oz is too far away.

(4) The New Zealand political/industrial complex appears more prone to killing
    their own people with rhetoric...

(5) It's fuckwits like Simon who are responsible (be way of erosion of median
    comprehension skills of the NZ population) for NZ's current fucked 
    admininstration...

Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: New directions...
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date:  1 Sep 92 03:02:20 GMT

chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:
 >Gosh, how wonderful! Has it ever occurred to you that...
 >the purpose of the new (being installed
 >at the moment) machine at the CCSD is to make everything more reliable;
 >or (god forbid!) the timely propagation of news just isn't really a
 >priority compared to some of the other things that the CCSD have to do?

I don't know.  Usenet provides many crucial and unique services to its
users, eg.  providing interactive fora, announcing software releases/
availability of papers and other things of major importance, serving as
a medium where researchers can discuss their work, providing a raw
information resource, etc.  So, for the service providers at a university,
what is "really a priority" compared to Usenet?

(In this case the problem is both downstream of, upstream of and within
the CCSD.  Downstream, because metro is ridiculously overloaded, as it has
been for a very long time.  Upstream, because our feed here periodically
dies because mismanaged disk space and news software.  And within the
CCSD, because these problems have been repeatedly drawn to their attention
without appropriate action being taken.  When I say "repeatedly", I mean
once per two months at most.  After all, if one is mailed about problems
too often, it just shows that people are unappreciative of all the hard
work that you're doing.  Are they suggesting that you devote valuable
minutes of underpaid admin time, merely so THEY can get productive work
done?  Those selfish fucks.  Fuck them.

 >I hope that I speak for many operations people when I say this: the
 >art of operations and administration is to do as much as you can with
 >the little you get.

With this sentence, we can unambiguously lump system administrators
with politicians.  Listen to them whinge about how they do the best
they can with meagre funds, about how they don't get enough money
and recognition for their tireless work, about how you can't satisfy
the people who actually use and provide the resources that they
manage.  Unfortunately, that tack is bullshit, because these people
have everything they need to do their job properly, including plenty
of perks, enormous salaries, substantial knowledge of how 'the system'
works and how to exploit it to their own ends, and nebulous job
descriptions which let them do what the fuck they want.

The people to whom they answer are irritating, insignificant and are not
to be responded to in any meaningful way.    After all, the admins are
the smart ones, the ones with the king shit, megabucks, piss-easy job.

This may sound one-sided, but I acknowledge the existence of competent
and scrupulous admins ... like there are competent and scrupulous
politicians.  However, let's not name names!



--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
 $@0N0G(J $@?<9HNn(J  
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Quality dullards.
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Distribution: aus
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:57:27 GMT

act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) writes:

<Dove basteing put aside>

>"Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" and learn about quality,...

"Quality"? Tell me more please Mr ACT. I note an obsession with formal
intricacy in your personality (as indicated by your aus.flame paid work),
but I wouldn't want to confuse this with respect for accuracy. Since ZAMM
personified the same kind of obsession, I'd be interested in your typical
defensive comments - for a few minutes, if I slow down a bit...

Love and Kisses, Tomasso.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: New Directions...
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 03:36:34 GMT

In article <axolotl.715495359@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:
>DAC attempts:
> >Go on, name your administrator, Iain.
>
>NOW THE WORLD CAN KNOW:  MY ADMIN IS ROOT@SOCS.UTS.EDU.AU.
>
>Don't give up your hand job, DREC.

Poor ole DAC just doesn't unnerrstaaannnn the real way of things. When he 
can't take the 'eat enter 'mail postmaster@who.gives.a.turd' and ignite the 
ultimate flame.  They might give him root access one day and then he can 
throw away the five fingered widow(punnish that language eh).

Hey Iain you might be pretty hopeless but Eye guess we all(except DAC) can 
live with that.  Might be nice if you could take a leaf out of Tom's 
Thesaurus(your currant! post excepted) and use some real words that don't 
begin with eff tho. Glad I'm not Tom's Thesaurus, I'd be fingered to death.

That must have been a good curry for lunch, maybe it was the Heinekins; 
Ender only had lemonade - the reason for that is too gory to tell however.

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       ceteris paribus
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   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Luncheon
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:17:43 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Under protest


How about an aus.flame net.luncheon on Tuesday 25th Aug.

eat and be rude !

Ender.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender)
Subject: Re: IN MELBOURNE THIS WEEK!!!!
Keywords: Melbourne Scavenger Hunt Lollipops
Organization: Under protest
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:20:09 GMT

In article <heard.715334100@franklin> heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:

>Laurie (back in Hobart) 8

Why Laurie 8 ?

pardon my ignorance.


Ender.
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Westie dullards.
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:17:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Under protest

In article <1992Aug19.235320.5706@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 2119784@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:

>When you consider the fact that Australian Westies obtain most of 
>their culture from the Cultural Mother Country of Middle Australia
>the US, the point you made hardly matters.

Therfore you're point doesn't carry any weight also. :)

>besides consider your laughable AUS Braodway culture -
>Is it nothing more than a copy of pretensious from around the
>world? No ! I think the that good ol' Ultimo is the origin of
>all the wanker spirit that seems to have sprung up around the
>80's. 

Right or wrong, Ultimo culture is a reaction to the depressing
western Sydney ethos. You're not looking far enough back...
Westies existed as far back as the early 60's, frowned upon by
North shore residents which these days are now despised by Ultimoids
and so on...its cyclic. No matter how you look at it cream rises to
the top and scum its just that, scum.

 
Ender.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: IN MELBOURNE THIS WEEK!!!!
Keywords: Melbourne Scavenger Hunt Lollipops
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date:  1 Sep 92 04:20:41 GMT

heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:
 >Tomorrow (Thursday) sees the start of the annual Melbin Yewni Scav
 >Hunt - 24 hours of hunting down things, taking obscene photographs and
 >generally breaking the law into tiny pieces and sweeping it under the
 >bed.

You crazy guys.  Is Gadget involved?

Is utas the one with the 'interesting' first-year initiation rituals?
Would you know?


--
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 $@0N0G(J $@?<9HNn(J  
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: Re: Stats for August
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:33:25 GMT

Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender) writes:

>I doubt that even Laurie 8 would deny that Meat-loaf was/is not
>in the possesion of any musical talent/taste/whatever. Ugggh !

Ender, Ender, Ender.

When will you learn? (Possibly in the End, er).

Meatloaf was one of this generation's finest artistes. Who can deny that
"Bat Out of Hell" was one of the finest things the 70s had to offer? What
Meatloaf did was to bring the "heavy ballad" into existance, with the
touching bombastic "Two out of Three Ain't Bad". This form of sweet sensation
was quickly taken up by Alice Cooper, with the excellent hits "Are You Gonna
See Me Now?" and "Only Women Bleed".

Unfortunately, Meatloaf's career was cut short, just as he was rumoured to
be cutting a new album, a sequel to "Bat out Of Hell" called "Bat out of
Hell II".

Just think how wonderful "Bat out of Hell II" would be! What could we have
looked forward to there?

"Four out of Seven Ain't Bad"
"Paradise by the Empty Car Battery"
"You Took More Words Right out of my Mouth"

Laurie 8

Laurie 8 <heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> | Some Driveways are concrete
Theoretical Chemistry PhD student        | Some Driveways have bricks
University of Tasmania, Australia        | Other Driveways
Unashamed 70s man, glad to be glam.      | Have Pebble-Mix - Laurie 8         
Opinions expressed above are those not only of Laurie 8, but the whole world
From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (David Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: New Directions...
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 11:56:50 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <act.454.0@csc.canberra.edu.au>, Cyclops writes:

> In article <axolotl.715495359@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:
> >DAC attempts:
> > >Go on, name your administrator, Iain.
> >
> >NOW THE WORLD CAN KNOW:  MY ADMIN IS ROOT@SOCS.UTS.EDU.AU.
> >
> >Don't give up your hand job, DREC.
> 
> Poor ole DAC just doesn't unnerrstaaannnn the real way of things. When he 
> can't take the 'eat enter 'mail postmaster@who.gives.a.turd' and ignite the 

You're a fruitcake.

> ultimate flame.  They might give him root access one day and then he can 
> throw away the five fingered widow(punnish that language eh).

Heh. Please feel as though you have been given the mandate by the
entire aus.flame readership to enter details of your pathetic
little student life. Beware of the 'who fucking cares?' reponses
though. Sure to be an ego-flattener there, Triclops.

> Hey Iain you might be pretty hopeless but Eye guess we all(except DAC) can 
> live with that.

Damned right I can't live with it!

Iain should be so ashamed of his rigor-mortis attempts to 'flame'
of late, that he should ask his administrator to remove his
account - permanently. I'm sure they would listen to that
particular whinge, eh, Sinkers? 

Whining little twerp that he is, Iain prolly won't have the
courage of his convictions to actually go through with informing
his sysad dude to pull the plug.

Join now: Send mail to postmaster@socs.uts.edu.au and beg that
Iain be taught the error of his ways by means of drastic
net-termination of the permenant kind.

Dac
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Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: New directions...
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 00:53:26 GMT

dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (David Andrew Clayton) writes:

>Poor little Iain, stuck in a quagmire of his own insignificance.

Hi DAC, not that my petty re-acknowledgement of your existence is likely to 
drive you into a frenzy of self-administered blindness, but I begrudgingly 
admit that if I am to accept Iain's excuse for existence then I must firstly 
acknowledge yours. Anyway I've had my 'duck's back' transplant so flame away.

Don't be too hard on Iain, the whole gamut of existence has to encompass all 
life forms; no matter how dead or insignificant.

Anyway there is too much fun to be had: Albury, Ultimo, NZ, UTS, UNSW and 
absolutely nought, the latter being the most significant.


act@csc.canberra.edu.au       ceteris paribus
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   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)         
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender)
Subject: Re: New directions...
Organization: Under protest
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:49:27 GMT

In article <osborn.714698457@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:

>From next month, I shall be surveying the arrival of news here to determine
>roughly how much does not arrive. I will then lobby that funding for all
>operations be reduced proportionately. Starting with Patrick's salary...

This reader notices that the lack of news again has increased the blood
pressure of our UTS freinds. The corrollary of this is that news improves
ones health...Heaven forbid such thoughts.

Ender.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: jimbo@mhs.oz.au (James Davidson)
Subject: Re: Ho hum.
Organization: Message Handling Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 02:47:27 GMT

[ Random thoughts of Axoltol deleted]

>
>
>NB: just kidding.  give me a job.
>
>--
> Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
> $@0N0G(J $@?<9HNn(J  


A job,
	If you can draw with chalk then you can draw a frame from
	Akira on my wall.  Name your price.

Jimbo.

|Stupidity is the sign of an overactive brain trying to rebel. - me|
|<standard disclaimer applies>		jimbo@mhs.oz.au		   |
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: New directions...
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Distribution: aus
Date:  4 Sep 92 02:26:22 GMT

tony@suite.sw.oz.au (Tony McGrath) writes:

>I see no reason why *******'s salary (as little as it is) should not be
>reduced for perceived "non-performance". As Chris and Tom should both
>be aware, working your guts out to provide a better environment usually
>means that your salary stays the same. Ergo, if you do an average job
>your salary should decrease in proportion. Well, this is what I was led
>to believe when I was working that way.

Of course, the inside information is: Those who deliver very little for
their salary are able to look after their _careers_ very nicely, thank you.
Many organisations have developed an unstated policy of promoting the least 
useful (with exceptions, of course), and _never_ (or rarely) acknowledging 
the truly valuable contribution of those who do do. Etc.

>These are enlightened times that we live in now, and education funding
>is a scarce resource that needs to spread between more people. These
>people need to understand that yesterday's best is not good enough for
>today, let alone tomorrow. Something must be done!!!!

Well, I understand what is being said by Tony. Basically, [In these en-
lightened times] there seems to be lots more foolishness spread around 
amongst the planners and decision makers who now spend their lives trying 
to measure things - rather than understand them. Once something is measured,
it can become the quantitative basis for a recommendation - which can be 
accepted (or rejected) caveat emptor (ie, pass the buck to the bunny...).

>Anyway, Tom needs a little bit of therapy, and checking news volume
>seems to be relatively harmless. I'd say: Go For It!!!

That is true. Sailing too close to the edge - has its attractions.

>>(I feel much better now... :-)

>As would anybody after they have escaped from the UTS experience.

And my pony tail extends by the day...
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: Re: IN MELBOURNE THIS WEEK!!!!
Keywords: Melbourne Scavenger Hunt Lollipops
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:35:05 GMT

Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender) writes:

>In article <heard.715334100@franklin> heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:

>>Laurie (back in Hobart) 8

>Why Laurie 8 ?

Why not


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From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Quoth
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 05:33:38 GMT

INVITATION


.......

"It is guarantied to be a after noon geared to provide in-
 formation to those who depend upon the latest infor-
 mation and technology available to be able to make the
 best and most accurate decision for the future."

......

'Accurately' quoted, to the last letter and space.

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       ceteris paribus
Look Once...         .-)      
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)
From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Westie dullards.
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:37:31 GMT
 <1992Aug27.195337.2950@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> <Ender.288@csc.canberra.edu.au>
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In article <1992Aug27.195337.2950@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2119784@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

>Obviously from that post you are just another ignorant inner-city
>bastard who thinks that anything outside the normally accepted 
>metropoles is something for the kids to look at on their way to 
>Aunty Dots. Albury is a vibrant potpourri of Anglo-Saxon culture...
>At least it is compared to Canberra... 

Is someone out there actually defending that Gomorra of a place, 
Albury?  Let me tell you something, simpleton, Albury is a hive of
iniquitous backstabbing cunts who glorify in rutting their own progeny
as an excuse for normal behaviour.  All people who defend that town,
that aborted child of the failed Whitlam government are not only
necrophiliacs, represent a hell rank with lunch-cutting faggots who go
 around rutting where they're not to meant to be.
I say this to all people in Albury: one day, one wonderful day, Albury
will sink into the very bowels of hell and burn, burn, burn, and on that
day, I will dance a jig of joy that will last forever.  So, Lord of the
Arse-Bandits, what have you got to ay about that?  Hmmm?  P.S.  if
you know Anthony Hoffman, he can burn, burn, burn as well.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender)
Subject: Re: Any job wanted
Organization: Under protest
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 00:21:53 GMT

In article <axolotl.715419284@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

>HCHA8904593X@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (PERRETT, ANDREW) writes:
> >I have previously been engaged as a Store Assistant (trolley boy), Musical
> >Instrument Sales, Demolishion Work, and Night Packing. I also can touch type at
> >a speed of approximatly 60wpm, Can use Word Perfect 20/20, and have a working
> >knowledge of Paradox, Lotus and C++. I know IBM computers back to front and am
> >presently working through a degree part time having studied logic, history and
> >philosophy. 

>THERE'S HOPE FOR ME YET.

As a barman.

Ender.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: New directions...
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:33:37 GMT

chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:

<drivel, deleted>

Monsewer Keane ventures a disproportionately "passing the buck" argument
about the state of news reception at UTS. I would ignore Monsewer Keane's
comments entirely, except for his unwarranted assertions about news not
having a priority in operations (or should I say systems/networks).

Keane forgets about interactions between items on sysprog agendas. A fucked 
news system means that a number of aspects of a network are faulty. Faults may
be in local network hardware, message routing, addressing, storage, planning
and partitioning of disk space, news software, news feeds, system integrity
as a whole, ... - all things which should receive proper attention on a
network with as many users and responsibilities as UTS (or even any network?).

Proper attention to news faults corresponds to a healthy maintenance 
attitude to overall network and system operation - it's a pretty good 
indicator of the health of a system, and SOLVING news problems means
addressing the interactions between critical and sub-critical components
in a network (rather than treating a fault as an isolated hiccup to be 
merely patched and buried from concern - only to re-erupt - to the profound 
annoyance of legitimate users, all the fucking time). 

The second insolence perpetrated by Keane is in denying or under-stating
the role or AARnet and the responsibilities of UTS to AARnet - as an organ
for serious interaction between academics (Osborn does much more with his
time than post flames, ninny!). Whether or not news problems at UTS are
'caused' by external problems (feeds, ...) is irrelevant when the extent
of the problems is NEVER reported or available to the regular users of
what is frequently perceived as an irregular service.

I won't go into any specifics of Keane's prior history or personality, but
simply express a gratitude for the sysprogs we now have in the School of
Computing Sciences. I would however, underline my contempt for haphazard
approaches to systems operations and planning, and any inability to inform
users of faults which impact on their normal activities.

Tomasso.

PS: I wasn't really serious about attacking Ratpick's salary...

Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: brent@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au (Brent Curtis)
Subject: Re: Message for Osborne's progeny
Organization: School of Behavioural Sciences, Macquarie University, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:23:36 GMT

(Cyclops) writes:
>Given the UTS newsfeed delays please read this message:
>
>"Poor Tom I knew him not so
>well".

I'm sure he's grateful of that.

                  Brent.

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"How do you know I'm Mad?"           |    Brent Curtis
                    asked Alice.     |    Psychology
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Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Message for Osborne's progeny
Keywords: Hole in the Phranger maybe.
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:40:36 GMT

Given the UTS newsfeed delays please read this message:

I flamed your father, the poor 'bastard' or "Poor Tom I knew him not so
well".

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       Eye t'ought Eye taw a putty tat.
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   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)         
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