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From: saranen@epx.cis.umn.edu (David Saranen)
Subject: Re: TOOLS Roman (including Esperanto) and Cyrillic over the net
Keywords: russian cyrillic MIME
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:28:01 GMT

I've been exchanging e-mail for about a year in cyrillic, but the
methods have been very system-dependent. I've been corresponding with
a programmer in Russia who has written a program to send e-mail
in mixed English/Russian using roman/cyrillic using only 7-bit
characters.  The program works now, but the user must highlight areas
to be displayed in cyrillic. The untranslated cyrillic is readable
(with some difficulty). We are now trying to automate the translation
process, so that text typed by the sender in cyrillic appears to the reader
in cyrillic.  That should be completed in a few weeks.  

The next step is to a MIME reader that will handle multiple languages
or character sets - dependent only upon both parties having the 
appropriate fonts and character encoding schemes. 

The program already has a user configurable keyboard. Currently it runs
on a pc under windows, but I'm looking to port it to X-windows and
motif. One of the problems with cyrillic is that there are too many
standards. The encoding used at least has the benefit of being common
in Russia on pc's. Extensions to use other fonts will be an interesting
experience.  The program should be available for beta testing hopefully
in August.  I will post again when the program is available.

I'd also be interested in hearing from people working on MIME, on
pc's, and anyone interesting in extensions for Mac's or Amigas.
Thanks
-Dave
saranen@epx.cis.umn.edu



Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance
From: ron@syacus.acus.oz.au (Ron Williams)
Subject: Re: MOTION Course on Russian, in English, with Esperanto mentions.
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:12:05 GMT

esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington) writes:
: 20th July 1992
: 
: MOTION Course on Russian, in English, with Esperanto mentions.
: 
: I put forward the motion that we should seek to create a course
: on learning Russian, for beginners, with the instruction being
: in English.
: The course will use Esperanto, with its regularity and logical

I would like to see courses on several languages offered, but have zero 
interest in being forced to learn an artificial, relatively unused language 
as an intermediary - i.e. Esperanto. I find Esperanto to be an ugly language -
I realise that this is just my personal taste, but I _am_ entitled to an 
opinion. I also realise that there are quite a few Esperanto hobbyists out 
there who would like to see their baby become the international language. I
don't think it will happen, and therefore find these references to Esperanto
to be an annoying irrelevance.

I don't want to offend, but as I said, I am entitled to an opinion, especially
as I fully support the general idea.

Ron.
From: swildner@channelz.GUN.de (Sascha Wildner)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
Subject: Re: MOTION Course on Russian, in English, with Esperanto mentions.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:10:44 CET
Organization: Static Attic Development

In article <wz1mbvgm@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, Will Overington writes:

> Votes are suggested, by posting to alt.uu.future,

I vote YES.


--
         Sascha Wildner, Am Druvendriesch 27, 5030 Huerth 6, Germany

           There is no good PC software, only lots of PC software.
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From: glratt@is.rice.edu (Glenn Forbes Larratt)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance,alt.config,news.groups
Subject: Re: Usenet University?  GET A LIFE!
Date: 21 Jul 1992 04:57:19 GMT
Organization: CRC OCIS, William Marsh Rice University, Houston, Texas


	Sorry, I can't resist...we opened Gilbert and Sullivan's _Princess
	Ida_ last week here and Houston...(email me for the original - it
	was and is a vicious slam on the idea of a woman's college).

(Florian)
A Usenet college! maddest folly going!
What can readers learn within these groups worth knowing?
I'll lay a crown (the netters shall decide it)
I'll teach them more in half an hour outside it!

(Hilarion)      
Hush, scoffer, ere you sound your puny thunder,
List to their aims, and bow your head in wonder!

They intend to send a newsfeed to the moon - to the moon;
And they'll outstrip 56K very soon - very soon;
Then they'll learn to make their killfiles take the blow - take the blow,
When the signal-to-noise ratio gets too low - gets too low.

To catch flamers all unlighted they trepan - they trepan,
To trade Suns for Macintoshes they've a plan - they've a plan.
They've a firmly rooted dreading of KPD's news.groups threading
And they'll keep on it from treading if they can - if they can.
                
(all)                
These are the peculi-ars that all the alt-dot-uu'ers
Is hoping at their Universitee we shall see!
These are the peculi-ars that all the alt-dot-uu'ers
Is hoping at their Universitee we shall see!

(Cyril)
As for .sigs, they're under four lines, so they say - so they say;
And than quoted text they 've more lines every day - every day;
And they won't allow a spelling flame to fly - flame to fly;
And they'll practice what they're preaching by and by - by and by!
Each newly-joined aspirant to the cult - to the cult
Must repudiate all those outside of alt - 'side of alt
They mock at them and flout them, for they do not care about them,
And they're going to do without them's the result - the result!

(all)
These are the peculi-ars that all the alt-dot-uu'ers
Is hoping at their Universitee we shall see!
These are the peculi-ars that all the alt-dot-uu'ers
Is hoping at their Universitee we shall see!
In this college useful knowledge
Everywhere one finds,
And already, growing steady,
We've enlarged our minds.

-- 
===/| Glenn Forbes Larratt      |    CRC OCIS     | "Quid pro quo,   |/
==/| glratt@rice.edu (Internet) | Rice University | Clarice."       |/=
=/| GLRATT@RICEVM1 (Bitnet)     |=================|  - The Silence |/==
/| The Lab Ratt (not briggs :-) |  Neil  Talian?  |  of the Lambs |/===
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From: duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (Duncan C Thomson)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance
Subject: Re: MOTION Course on Russian, in English, with Esperanto mentions.
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:38:59 GMT
Organization: SPD, Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland
Originator: duncan@ossian

In alt.education.distance, esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington) writes:
>20th July 1992
>
>MOTION Course on Russian, in English, with Esperanto mentions.
>
>Votes are suggested, by posting to alt.uu.future,
>
>YES if you are in favour of this motion.
>NO  if you are against this motion.

YES.

I would be interested in taking the course.  I'm not interested in getting
Self-Awarded Credits, or anything - I just want to learn some Russian.

May I suggest that to keep the volume of traffic down, future votes on such
motions should be e-mailed directly to some referee.

Thanks,

	-Duncan

-- 
Duncan   <duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk> |  .__ _. _ .__._  _ , .___ _
Thomson     (OR <cnbr50@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>) |  |_ |_ |_||_ |_|/_\|\| | / \
SPD, Dept of EEE, University of Strathclyde |  |__._||  |__| \| || | | \_/
204 George Street, Glasgow G1 1XW, UK       | esperanto - lingvo internacia
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From: kara@BORN.phys.virginia.edu (Kara Jayne Keeter)
Subject: Re: "except at night"
Reply-To: kara@BORN.phys.virginia.edu (Kara Jayne Keeter)
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:34:27 GMT

bu850@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Karla M. Alwan) writes:
>
>In a previous article, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) says:
>
>>bu850@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Karla M. Alwan) writes:
>>
>>: Pretty neat.  Seems backwards to me though.  My first intution 
>>: would be to start at a local level and work up.  Seems
>>: like it would be harder to make a national organization fly...
>>
>>Well, you could always start like you said: at a local level.  Perhaps
>>contacting the therapists in your area and pitching the idea to them might be
>>a way to start.  Organizing and holding seminars (open to the public, of
>>course) with chosen therapists would be to the benefit of both you and them --
>>they get the free publicity, you get the draw of a "name".  Make sense?
>
>coool.  sounds good to me!`
>

Hi Karla,

I just had a thought while reading the newspaper - people are organizing
marches through certain neighborhoods to protest drug-dealings.  Perhaps
something like this might be done to raise awareness of child abuse?  
Take Back The Night marches have proven useful for raising consciousness
and getting laws/programs initiated.  It could of course be true that
there are already so many marches that people wouldn't notice another.
It's just a thought.  Perhaps you could start small - just enough people
so that local papers would send a reporter to take your picture, with
a sign/banner.  You might have the march be the prelude to the seminar.

Just a thought.  But if you are interested, I helped organize a Take Back
The Night march last spring and could give you an idea of what's involved.

-kk
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: sasnla@shadow.unx.sas.com (Nancy Agnew)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: first post
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:56:55 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasnla@shadow.unx.sas.com


In article <BrxxrB.2BB@twwells.com>, anon-1161@twwells.com (Kendra) writes:
> [Kendra's introduction of self deleted for brevity....]
>
>I'm feeling what you could call a lack of supportive people to talk to currently
>feeling very isolated & so I decided to go ahead and send in my first post to
>asar.  I don't know if that was okay or not.

Posting here was definitely ok.  I hope you can find the support you need
at this point.  Your post hits me at an odd time....I had to go back to 
repressing things during a visit to my parents (well, no, I didn't *have*
to, but I didn't feel I could handle being around them otherwise) and I
haven't yet gotten back to feeling anything except through a cloud that
seems to provide a bumper.

What with one thing and another, reading your post just pushed me back on
track.  So much for productivity.  On with healing.

Thank you, Kendra.  I don't know precisely what it was...I think I was
on the verge of feeling again and now I am...maybe it was talking 
about the emotional neglect and the lack of awareness your mother
had about other abuse going on, and the age range you mentioned (3-8).
Or maybe it was something else.....I think I needed to read it,
whatever it was.

Please post more if you want to or need to.  Say what you are
comfortable saying.  Things have been a bit volatile from time
to time lately, but when you deal with lots of emotional stuff,
that kind of thing can happen.  People are generally pretty
responsive about explicitly stated needs, though -- so you can
try asking for specific things if you feel you need to (keep
in mind that some folks here are practicing setting boundaries
and will not respond to every request - mostly to the ones that
touch a chord in them -- at least, I am trying to practice with
boundaries...maybe I'm speaking out of turn for others on that).

Congratulations on acknowledging the abuse and reaching out in
your feeling of isolation.  I wish you strength, this ain't easy.

NLA
-- 
Nancy Agnew                         sasnla@unx.sas.com
SAS Institute Inc,  SAS Campus Dr,  Cary NC 27513-2414
My company's opinions are not likely mine, and vice versa.
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: kara@BORN.phys.virginia.edu (Kara Jayne Keeter)
Subject: advice needed
Reply-To: kara@BORN.phys.virginia.edu (Kara Jayne Keeter)
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:18:02 GMT

Hi all,

I just received some news, well, some "hints" of the possible
truth to some rumors I'd heard... concerning old familly secrets.
THe topic had resurfaced at my sister's wedding, and I discussed
it in some detail with my uncle... yesterday my uncle was in
town, he tried to call me several times but we kept missing each
other   :-(   Then when I got home there was a letter from my 
aunt who said my uncle had asked her some questions, saying I
had told him to ask for me (which I had) and she hinted around
but wouldn't say anything unless I came out and asked her myself.
It sounds like the rumors are true.

Now this weekend I am supposed to go see my mother.  I am not
prepared to confront her about anything yet.  Like I said, at the
wedding she tried to initiate a discussion herself, but I didn't
feel ready.  I know the advice is to not confront until you are
sure of your objectives, motives, expectations, etc... and I
haven't gone through all that yet.  My question is, should I avoid
any discussion of past abuse and/or old family secrets this
weekend?  What should I do if my mom brings it up?

Thanks for listening, and thanks for any advice.  

e-hugs to those who want/need/can accept them!!!

-Andy  (kk)



Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: tdelaney@penn.Gwinnett.COM (ted delaney)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: good stuff on the radio
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:19:47 GMT

There was a tragic murder and abuse of a child reported widely today in the news
(the childs father lied to police, saying the child had been stolen, when it
seems/allegedly that he killed,beat and buried the child...
the story has gotten LOTS of press in the area/state.
there has been large outpouring of grief, well the mother of the child (who is
now 3 monnths pregnant with this jerks child) asked that ALL monies be sent
to the statewide council on child abuse- ALSO the big local radio (and I was told
SEVERAL others) spent the day talking about it AND giving out the phone # of
the council on child abuse AND telling/asking folks to call/volunteer...etc..

I called the next shift DJ to tell her thanks, she put me on hold, came back
and asked if I HAD the # (the morning shift took it with them accidentally)
AND it turns out she is a survivor and wanted info/help....was really nice
helping out another survivor.
we can reach each other.
neat.
From: tdelaney@penn.Gwinnett.COM (ted delaney)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: odd question
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:31:29 GMT

sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Sherri) writes:

> In article <P21DoB2w164w@penn.Gwinnett.COM> tdelaney@penn.Gwinnett.COM (ted d
> >here's one for my fellow "people people" (as my young alter calls MPD)
> ....and lots of my people just love this way of referring to MPD...some of
> us don't like initial labels, we feel like we have to get a degree or take
> some sort of test...
        well, most folks with MPD tend to be very intelligent (and artistic)
        and for me, just 'by default' I have done alot of reading (curiosity
        and all that)
> >recently had a 'flame' on another system, on another echo far away....
> Hmm, well, a lot depends on which sort of system.  Is it another recovery
> group?
        it was an 'echo' for a specific interests for gay men
> like you just did, not feeling the need to answer whether the person was
> MPD, but say that you're angry that people are 'accusing' people of being MPD
> like you would be to hear someone 'accused' of not being heterosexual.
        well, here is the rub, this person did not specifically say it was ME
        that has/is MPD...so 'theretically, he could have been talking about
        someone else....I think, for now, I am going to ignore it and let
        it lie....I am just concerned about him telling others/lieing
        to them about me/us....(folks just don't understand this
        disorder....)
> >should I just let this lie? am I being paranoid? this person seems the type 
> >scum to keep at it (e-mail folks I am talking to etc...) oh, yes, I HAVE sen
> >or am I over reacting/being paranoid?
> 
> Over-reacting in what sense?  I'm not sure I really understand enough of what
> are really worried about.  What do you think this person is trying to accompl
> by attaching the MPD label to this person?
what I am worried about is 'fall out' ie him telling folks that he sees me
chatting with, that I am a 'psycho' (and no, I won't/can't deny I have MPD
no more than I can/will deny that I am gay..)

is this making sense to you?
Ted, and ALOT of the folks are now afraid of the computer....
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney)
Subject: More memories... again
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:00:07 GMT



     I just wanted to write about another recent memory.  Similar in
content to the last one I posted.  As usual,

        <<<  SPOILER WARNING  >>>

     This memory returned in part as the result of a dream I had a week
or so earlier.  In that dream I had found a pair of shoes, aqua in color.
Only they were actually more of a green color.  On awakening, I associated
"aqua" with water, but I wasn't sure of the significance.  The other day
I remembered when I was about 6 or 7 I had a pair of flippers and a mask.
And we had an inflatable wading pool in the back yard.  I remembered
going out to the pool wearing my mask and flippers and putting my mask on
the water to look inside.  I was leaning over the edge of the pool to look
in.  My mother came over, and for no reason, pushed my head under and held
me there.  I remember inhaling water, drowning.  The next thing I remember
was lying on the ground, the feel of warm water coming out my mouth, then
coughing up water.  My father had pulled me out.  My mother said she was
over there trying to get me out.  Yeah, right.  My mother was nuts.
     I also remember my father teasing me over the years, saying I could
drown in a foot of water.  I learned to use those stories for my own
memories.  That I was so clumsy I could drown myself.

     Robert

Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: anon-1012@twwells.com (All Me of Us)
Subject: Re: Hello, another first post
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com
X-Email-Accepted: yes
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:15:20 GMT

Welcome Chris (anon1154).  Thanks for sharing your memories with us.  
You are in the right place. 

>I guess that's all I feel I can share at this time.  All these horrible
>memories!  I sit here smiling as coworkers pass by, and I wonder if they
>realize how lucky they are to not have these experiences in their pasts.
>Maybe some of them do, I don't know.  I don't imagine a person can go thru
>this much and not be scarred, but then, I count myself lucky.  I'm alive.
>And I'm angry.

I'm not sure what I can say that may help you right now.  I have
as much rage inside me as you describe.  And I, too, wonder about
all those smiling faces around me, and what they may or may not have
gone through themselves.  And I watch them watch me and not know how
to deal with me.  As a multiple, I don't always know who I'll be from
one day (hour?) to the next, and it's hard to see other people's
reactions and not feel safe to tell them what's really happening,
since I doubt most people would be able to handle it or understand.

Once again, welcome, and here's a hug for you if you can accept it.


All Me of Us



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From: anon-1055@twwells.com (m&m)
Subject: Re: paranoia - msg for Ted)
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:14:33 GMT

Hi Ted,

Not to be **paranoid**, but could you set up an anon address.  
A couple of times I've wanted to reply but not publically.

m&m



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From: tdelaney@penn.Gwinnett.COM (ted delaney)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: odd question...
Date: 20 Jul 92 03:29:01 GMT

still rambling at the keyboard.

we (me/us) were watching "Ghosts" tonight (maybe that is a reason I am wierded
out)...
anyway, here is my odd question (we got into an internal discussin on this one)
and I do NOT NOT mean this as a flame war...

do MPD's (IF they believe in the concepts of heaven/hell) go to heaven? (or
your version of it?) do ALL of you go there?
I know this sounds wierd, but in Ghosts, there is a scene were a killer is
dragged of to the "bad place"....it worried the kid/8 year old, and got us
to thinking....since to me (and some folks that know us) we are sorta seperate
(that is the way I see it....smile).....or are you bound by the core personality?

or, am I getting waaaaaay metaphysical (I am a 'cynic' I don't do religions-
IMHO, I have been 'screwed' by 2 cults, on the 'bad people' and the other was
'fundamentalism'....) about a fictional movie?

maybe it is just late.....and work is in 8 hours- ick....
gad I don't want to go, at all.....(and yes, I am HUNTING!!!!!!!)
sigh/
thanks for listening/reading...
Ted
From: anon-1130@twwells.com (starfish)
Subject: Looking
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:15:39 GMT


I am looking for some assistance. I want to find a 12 step program, in the
SF Bay Area for sexual abuse survivors. I have no idea how to go about finding 
one. Ideas? 
 
S.



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