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From: nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:08:26 GMT

eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>In article <nsn.722057945@munagin> nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL) writes:
>>>nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>>>(Tim: it *is* 'mei', not 'michi'. Yes, I know it doesn't parse. Mediaeval
>>>>Latin; whaddaya expect? :)
>I lost track of the attributions in there, somewhere....
Well, gee, Piglet, were it Tim who said the above, why would'a address it
to Tim? No, strike that. He *is* wierd enough for that *sweet smile*.

*Tim, put down the crowbar!*

>But, isn't it "mihi", not "michi", that it would be if it weren't "mei"?

Not necessarilamente. Mediaeval Latin, Piglet, and that's what actually
gets used in the manuscripts (and so Tim tells me, that's how you pronounce
_mihi_ in Church Latin anyway. Freaky...) Furthermore, 'quaero' gets
spelt 'quero' (or, in the publications I've seen, with an e-cedilla).

The poem involved though, being the first literary defence of "your right
to party" in the middle ages, is *seminal*!

(I'm not going to *begin* to joke with *that* one.)

>I'm so *confused*!!

Hoc non mirabile est, quia *bisexualis* es! :)

*risus*

>Piglet, scratching ear meditatively (yes, my own, whose did you think?)

Is that an ear in your pocket or...

Nick, having argued with Heather via Joe on reductionism...

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From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This has probably already been asked...
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:55:29 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>>
>>winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>>>I have only experienced shit from the gay community.
>>
>>Obviously you've been very unlucky, since that isn't the experience of the
>>other posters in this thread.
>
>You are right in saying that I (as one of the other posters in the
>thread) did not _discuss_ such an experience. However, that does not
>necessariarly imply that I have not _had_ such an experience. It could
>be that I have experienced it but just didn't mention it in my
>posting.

Oops, yes I was jumping to conclusions there; I was assuming that you would
have thought it relevant and mentioned it. What hadn't occurred to me is that
you (or the other poster/s) might actually not have wanted to. Mea culpa.

>Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "unlucky." Perhaps you meant that
>js' experience was atypical. I have read of similar stories before so I
>don't know how atypical it is.

No, I just meant that it's not universally the case. Maybe I have been
"lucky"; in that sense js has been "unlucky".

>>>  BTW,  I *really* hate it
>>>when gays get too liberal with passing out the "girl" shit.  (if you hadn't
>>>noticed.)
>>Haven't heard this. You must know the wrong gay men.
>
>This comes across to me as "Well *I* haven't heard about that so you
>must be mistaken." (It is more subtle than that, and I have
>deliberately exagerated my paraphrase to make it more clear.)

That was not my intent at all. My posting was intended to be taken at
face value (as always:). I apologise for any ambiguity. My excuse is that
it was written in a rush, I had a train to Edinburgh to catch. 8-)


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From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.)
Subject: Re: demuffining at last....
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:04:10 GMT

In article <daz.721957764@murillo> daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm) writes:
>nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>
>to each other. And it is wonderful to meet someone my own height! (5'2")

I'll bet, I'm 6'5" and all my friends are 5'2".  (Well, except Zoe. She's
closer at 6' even.) Any 6'"5ers on the US East Coast?  Can you give good 
back?  Or even people visiting?  Please?

							Steve

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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: just say NO! (ack!)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:55:38 GMT

In article <1eakhuINNc06@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick) writes:
>
>here's the best way to kick poppers:
> 
>before the discovery of HTLV/HIV, poppers were a posited cause
>of GRID [aids].  While no extensive studies have been done,
>it has been shown that amyl nitrate and related substances
>can cause elevated liver function, spleen damage, bone
>marrow changes, and other indicators of _immune suppression_,
>that can make sex, even safe sex, a DANGEROUS PROPOSITION.

While I'm sure you're doing so for a good motive, it's not
wise to spread disinformation for any reason.  The amyl-nitrate/drug
'cause' of aids was put around by *one* man, who is a homophobic
bigot specifically trying to confine the problem to homosexuals
and drug addicts.  Haven't heard much more about him since there
was a significant crossover into the non-drug-abusing straight population.

Amyl nitrates may well have deliterious efects on the body but there is
*no* proven, suspected, or even posited (by anyone else) connection
with Aids.  Sufficient research has been done by many many groups by
now that we'd know if there was.

G (Who reads the Atlanta CDC aids bulletins regularly because he works
for a publisher of an Aids research journal)
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From: sjp@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Sue Patterson)
Subject: Martina Navratilova and CO lawsuit
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:02:30 GMT
Distribution: soc
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Hi, I missed the recent post of a news article on Martina and the federal
suit against CO-2.  My newsreader seems to have expired it.   Could somebody
please e-mail me a copy?  Thank you very much

Sue
sjp@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: sympathy and advice sought
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:22:54 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

I've been broken up with someone for about 1.5 years now. She's seeing
someone else (yes, that hurts a lot) and so am I. I feel tired and 
frustrated with the feelings I still have wrt not feeling over it all
and not understanding at all.  I've tried getting busy and doing things
and making new friends, whatever. Nothing seems to help. Some background
info: when we were together, it was not ideal for me, I wasn't getting
enough of what I wanted (lots of touching and affection, open
communication ) so, initially, I broke off (several times. things would
improve a little but then deteriorate again). Then, I guess she gave
up too though it wasn't clear to me at the time that this happened. Then
the icing on the cake, she tells me she's seeing someone else. After 
hearing that (about 9 months ago), I've been feeling all kinds of
intense and painful emotions, sad, angry, scared. I don't understand
this because this person wasn't what I really wanted... why should I
care that they are with somebody else now? Why should I be feeling so
strongly about them?  I mean, I feel like they left me but the reality
is, I left them, initially. I feel left, though, because they're seeing
somebody else now. None of this makes sense to me. I've heard that the
feelings from the loss of the relationship could be triggering some
older feelings that were inside me from some other loss (which I hadn't
let myself feel at the time of that loss) but I don't know if it's
true and even if it is, what am I supposed to do now?  If someone has
any advice, I'd love to hear it... like, how long am I going to feel
this way... should I just forget about her (the person I broke up
with)? She says she still wants to be friends but for the most part, for
over a year now, she hasn't done much with me or made any kind of effort
to do anything with me.  

frustrated and bummed
jd



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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:06:50 GMT

In article <iw.721938107@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>When governments allow our sexuality to be do/be, then I don't think that

You're not by any chance a Frank Sinatra fan? ;-)

G
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From: Chris.Varnam@launchpad.unc.edu (Chris Varnam)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: cambridge colleges, choice of
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:35:58 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


Greetings and salutations.
I'm applying for gradu. studies at Cambridge in genetics (any one want to 
give me 90 000 dollars to help?)
I'm trying to choose the three collages for my application form and would
like some on the ground suggestions - all the prospectus write-ups are 
glowing or don't address some of the important points. 

My criteria include:
women-friendly
science friendly
GLB friendly.
email access?

Also,  is it politic to belong to the same college as one's supervisor?
His is Emmanuel which actually mentions offical lack of admission
discrimination based on sex, race, religion, but no listing og
orientation.  

Any info.  on colleges and the town in general - email or posted - would be
massively appriecated. 

cheers,
chris



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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: sympathy and advice sought
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:53:56 GMT

In article <56477@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>true and even if it is, what am I supposed to do now?  If someone has
>any advice, I'd love to hear it... like, how long am I going to feel
>this way... should I just forget about her (the person I broke up

You can't forget someone you love.  When it happened to me when I was
about 18, it took two or three years just to _start_ getting over it.
Advice won't help.  It's just one of those gut things.  You'll get
over it in time, but don't think there's something strange about you
because it's taken over a year already.  It happens.

If it's any consolation, the last time I stopped seeing someone I
cared for, it only took three or four months to stop feeling lousy
about it.  I'm either growing more mature or more callous.  Something
like that anyway.

G
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From: eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis)
Subject: Re: No subject
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:15:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.200843.20381@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) writes:
>And now I'm going to get demuffined! Serves me right.
>
>... Might as well lie back and enjoy it ...
>--
>Gus Rodgers,  Dept. of Computer Science, | "The truth of a property said to be

oh boy...been dying for one of these.  A nice, warm, muffin just out of the  
oven.  *pounce*  *nibble*  *munch*  *slurp*  *munchmunchmunch*
(wipes crumbns off mouth) *YUM*  
add a few *gropes* and *HUGS* in there, too!
Zoe
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Way to go Mom!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 16:23:05 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: usa
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In article <lgq4g6INNetp@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Yesterday, while mailing a package for me, my mother told me she
|> saw the "gay sailor" (sorry, his name is on the tip of my tongue,
|> but I just can't remember it!) in his car at the post office.  
|> She walked up to his car, knocked on his window and gave him the 
|> thumbs up sign.  She said his smile was the best thing she's seen 
|> in months ;)
|> 
|> __
|> \/ Emily Ann
Kudos and more kudos to your Mom!  Little things go a long way toward keeping
those in the front lines fortified.

*EHugs* to Emily's Mom!
(and to Emily too!)
js
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From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.)
Subject: Re: demuffining at last....
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:59:44 GMT

In article <latarra.721695929@camelot> latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
>In <BxoAMr.1GL@news.udel.edu> eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:
>
>>So here I am, a muffin.  (*DUCK!*) (-:
>
>A muffin!  A muffin!  grab, wrestle, lick, lick, snuggle, snuggle, cuddle,
>purr, purr, oh contented sigh...:)

Double Sigh... ;-)
>
>
>>Words fail me.  Hugs to all.
>
>From me too!  Considering all the hugs I get, I certainly am in debt!  
><not that I'm complaining...:)>

Hey, i might as well throuw in some hugs too.   (As if I don't give enough 
away.  Well, Iguess youcan never give away too many.)

>
>>I thought
>>I was impure at 56.7%!!!! 
>
>Wow!  that's almost exactly what I have...:)

Jeez, I feel pure.  I'm up at a 66.4%...  Guess I'll have to work on it
a little.

>
>>hugs again.
>
>And again from me!  :)  And to you, of course.

And Yet again...
>
>>Zoe (just ask me about my login name.  Go on.  I dare you)
>
>Okay, tell me about your login. :)  

Go ahead, tell us all... ;-)

You don't want to know about my usernames...


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| Stephen C. Litterst           |  meaningless, and the Universe has no  |
| kyraan@bach.udel.edu           \ purpose. That's the way it is, folks."|
|_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\_________ -Allan Dean Foster__________|
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:39:25 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I always thought the rpoblem with "looking non-het" had more to do with deter-
mining who was safe to talk about this kind of stuff with or even try to pick 
up. Nothing more than that.

If you see someone who might look interesting, because we are a minority, if 
there are no obvious signs, you have to assume the person is straight. Kind
of sad really

Ben Gibson(who dresses all in black only because he thinks he looks good in
black, really)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Oxford bi info
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:15:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.130600.3479@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
:In article <1992Nov13.192411.4831@infodev.cam.ac.uk> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
:>> In article <1992Nov10.164733.10033@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, rcharles@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
:>> > A big hello out there to all like minded folk.
:>> 
:>Indeedy - welcome!
:>
:>(PS: I'm sure the name "Ruth Charles" rings a bell from somewhere...)
:>
:Rings bells with me too -- and I can place it.  However, I'm sure it's
:not that an uncommon name, and the probabilities against it being the
:same one are mammoth....

You mean Oxford's youngest mathematician?  Why, do you think that
someone young enough to be your kid sister couldn't be bi?  Or
are the probabilities against it because she's a *mathematician* and
it's well-known mathematicians are sexless? ;-)

Whoever you are, ruth, you're welcome here.  *Hugs*

G
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From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:20:12 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com


|> 	If there isn't can someone tell me what a muffin is?

You *just* started the list with #1!
A muffin you are....
>POUNCE< 
<trip>
*HUG*
*squeeze*
<awkward pause>
*lick*
*indecent manuevers*
*meaningful silence*
<afterglow>

NOT anymore.
But still piping hot!
js


|> 						Steve
Yum!
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Surreptitious Demuffining...
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:31:22 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov18.200602.10625@udel.edu>, litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
|> Okay, I'll admit.  I was sneaky.  I demuffined Zoe without admitting that 
|> that was my demuffining.  She called me on it and tortured me into posting 
|> a retraction.  After she noticed I was enjoying the torture, she found a way
|> to convince me. (And am I ever convinced.) So, here I am in an quasi-offic-
|> ial demuffining post.  Hello all, I'm here now.   I'm out of the shadows.
|> I'm not quite out of the closet, but I'm out of the shadows.  (But I'll
|> dicuss that in a later post...)
|> 	*HUGS!*    *SQUEEZES*    *USE YOUR IMAGINATION*
|> 
And MY imagination is very vivid, indeed!
"Steve".  I like that name.  So... um ...
.
.
.
.
>POUNCE<  Ha! you'll never get aw*$&^TWUHL
Oh, shit! he gotta way!
Catch him! Tie him! Give him to ME!
*slurple*
*yum*
*gratuitous groping*
*FONDLE*
*stroke*
<sigh>

I feel MUCH better now....
*HUGS*
js
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: _Making Love_
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:09:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov18.160906.19528
Organization: none that I know of....

In article <1ebuj9INNqh9@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
[stuff about the movie deleted, since I haven't seen it]
>
>I hadn't pressed this subject since my original post (demuffining post, indeed,
>sob sob sob) received absolutely no attention whatsoever ...

Augh!  One got away!!  Ha!!!  <track, track, track...hm, close on the
trail here...track, track, track....>  Aha!!  *pounce*  <swish>  Woops!
Try that again....   Aha!!  *POUNCE*  Gotcha!!

*snuggle* *nuzzle* *snuzzle* *nuggle* *slurp* *lick* *nibble*

Hm!  <wanders away dazed and wiping crumbs off of chin>  That one's
almost too much for me!  Hey, guys!!  I need some help over here....



Piglet
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: demuffining at last....
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.020410.2432@udel.edu> 
 litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
>In article <daz.721957764@murillo> 
 daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm) writes:
>>nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>to each other. And it is wonderful to meet someone my own height! (5'2")
>I'll bet, I'm 6'5" and all my friends are 5'2".  (Well, except Zoe. She's
>closer at 6' even.) Any 6'"5ers on the US East Coast?  Can you give good 
>back?  Or even people visiting?  Please?

Well I'm not on the East Coast, but I might be 6'5" on a good day...




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From: polly@iastate.edu (Y. B. Normal)
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:59:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.210755.9959@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.154808.11574@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.202455.13717@udel.edu> litterst@tuttifrutti.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
>>>Thanks,Mike.  But it gets worse (or better)  The system I'm on is named 
>>>"freezer" and as such, all of the workstaions (like pecan) are named after
>>>flavors of ice cream.  I'm on tuttifrutti, now.  Any flavor requests?  I'll

SOme of the machines here at Iowa state are named after characters from 
A.A. Milne's _Winnie the Pooh_  So we have eyore, tigger, and Piglet
in our comp. center 


>>>provide the ice cream...
>>>
>>BBQ-ripple, of course!!!!  (-8
>>
>>(That's almost as weird as some of the machine/printer names around 
>> here....)
>>
>	BBQ-Ripple?  You're charging the net hundreds (if not thousands) of
>dollars to request _that_?  |-) I'll try, but I don't think we have a station
>named after something that obscure.  If I can't find it, can I get you some-
>thing else? *wink*  

also charging the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to say what she 
has to say.

>	
>Have a good one. ;-}  *HUG!*
>
>							Steve
>
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From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Looking for Jeff Gallagher
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:31:51 CST

Jeff,
I've had a few problems on my e-mail account which
has resulted in me only being able to RESPOND
to people who send me mail.

P L E A S E   get in touch with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Eddie Chandler.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Organization: Rational
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:00:28 GMT


>"Action"? Deliberately seeking to confront people ("Kiss ins", tying pink
>balloons to lampposts, etc.) is something I resent, as I see it turning people
>off to lesbigay. Going through normal political channels, I don't mind, although
>I haven't the energy for.

I don't see it turning people off lbg concerns, I see it as exposing
peoples true opinions.  If hets can`t stand the sight of a few queers
kissing what kind of a chance do we have.  

>Besides, governments don't listen to vocal minorities. Going for genuine
>support and sympathy from a broad base in the population, rather than going at
>the government aggressively is more likely to be noticed.

Act-up have had a huge influence on AIDS issues.  Radical movements are
very a important part of political movements, they serve to focus attention,
and pave the way for the more moderate folks to get things done with
the establishment.  

Hey its just my opinion, 
Iseult.
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