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From: cayouett@BNR.CA (Daniel Cayouette)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ELM (2.3 pl11) loses my mails?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: cayouett@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Canada

We are having a problem of losing a complete mailbox when the file system
gets full.  This may not be the same problem though.

For example, 
  
  1 - reading my inbox '/usr/mail/cayouett' 
  2 - file system '/usr' gets full
  3 - mark a few messages for deletion.
  4 - resynch, change folder or quit.
  5 - a lot of 'file system full' error messages show up on the screen.
  6 - /usr/mail/cayouett is now empty

HP response center has duplicated this and have opened a Service Report.
This is occuring with HP's version of ELM and ELM 2.3 pl11.

It appears to be the fprintf() calls within copy() not returning negative
values on failure to write the new file.

fprintf() does return negative values when I write a small test program.

This is on an HP 750 running HPUX 8.0.7 but may be present on other os
versions.

Has anyone else come across this problem?
  
Thanks,

Daniel
In article <1992Oct1.095616.1911@nrao.edu>, liu@scs.leeds.ac.uk (L Xing)
writes:
|> 
|> Do you have experience to lose messages which you did not read and
delete with
|> ELM as mailing tool?
|> 
|> 
|> I have. 
|> 
|> 
|> I know I received a lot of messages but I logout with read them this
morning.
|> About ten minutes later I logged in again but I could not find them. They 
|> were a paper in PS format and they might be huge. Is that the reason to lose
|> them? It is ELM misaction or my computer system misation? Any one has
the same
|> experience?
|> 
|> 
|>  Thanks
|> 
|> Singh 
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From: dikig@ddsw1.mcs.com (Diki Gust)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ALIAS PROBLEM
Summary: Problem with multiple aliasnames
Keywords: comma, multiple aliasnames
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:20:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


'm trying to set up aliases with several aliasnames for a single 
username and address. According to Alias Users Guide for version 
2.3, printed 01MAY90, page 2, the names on the list are supposed 
to be separated by commas.  HAH!   :-{

I've tried this with a space after the comma, without a space 
after the comma, and with a space and no comma !  

i.e. chas, chaz
     chas,chaz
     chas chaz

The comment I get is:
          Bad character(s) in alias name 

I've been using the comma space with no problem whatsoever in 
group aliases, but elm won't let me do it if I want more than one 
aliasname to one address.  

Is there anyone who provide a solution?  (It's PL 11)

Please 'R' 

Diki Gust


 
Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:2497 comp.mail.sendmail:2376
From: rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Sendmail "net hang" when using Elm
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:07:55 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs, Moorestown, NJ

We're using elm 2.3 PL11 on a number of Suns running SunOS 4.1.2.  It works
fine for reading, but when sending mail from a client, you get:

Sep 28 13:50:05 taino sendmail[6979]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR: net hang reading from hannibal-n1: Connection timed out

Sending mail from the main server (hannibal) works fine.  But the clients open
a connection to the server to send mail, and the connection isn't closed, nor
does the mail get through.

Other mail programs (mailtool, /usr/ucb/mail, etc) seem to work fine.  Anyone
have any ideas?

Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mdm@kataan.dartmouth.edu (Michael McDaniel)
Subject: Alarm Clock error
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:38:06 GMT
Reply-To: mdm@apple.com
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

If I log in as a user other than root and run elm, after a few
seconds, I get an Alarm Clock message and elm terminates.  This does
not happen if I log in as root.  I thought this must be a permissions
problem,  but I can't find anything amiss.  Any ideas?

I'm running 2.3.11 under A/UX 3.0.

Thanks,
Michael



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 Enterprise Systems Division, Apple Computer -- Star Trek Fan
==============================================================
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: boyd@shmop.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Subject: Pathaliases and UUDOMAIN
Reply-To: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 06:13:08 GMT

Howdy,

We are running a fairly vanillia system of Sun3/4's, SunOS 4.1.1, 4.1.2, and
soon to be 4.1.3.  We use the Berkley sendmail (instead of Sun's).  Other than
that, we are stock SunOS.  While running Configure, I was confronted with a
couple of questions to which I had no answer (not even a good guess).  Thus,
could anyone tell me what response I should give to the following:   

--

Give the full path name of the pathalias
data file? [/usr/lib/nmail.paths] 
Pathalias data file /usr/lib/nmail.paths doesn't exist.
Use that name anyway? [y] 

Where does the uumail-style 'domains'
file live? [/usr/lib/domains] 
* (Here it complained that /usr/lib/domains did not exist, and I told it to 
use that name anyway, as above).

--

In the Alias Users Guide, the author mentions that to get around this, "All
you'll need to do is to turn off the address validation routine in ELM."  I 
looked around in sysdefs.h and some of the source without success.  What am I
missing?  How do I "turn off the address validation routine"?  Did I already 
do this with my responses during Configure? 

PLEASE EMAIL RESPONSES TO ME.  I will post a summary if there is interest.
Thanks in advance.

BTW, the only gripe that has come out of the ELM testing we have done (prior
to installation) is that the "up" and "down" functions use vi bindings (in
addition to arrow keys).  Several EMACS folks pointed out that ^p and ^n (up a
line and down a line in EMACS, repectively) don't seem to be bound to anything,
and could be provided for those that use this editor.   


-- 
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  *                              Mickey Boyd                                 *
  *                         Systems Administrator                            *
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  * email:  boyd@cs.fsu.edu  Office:  (904) 644-7339  Pager:  (904) 657-6425 *
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U)
Subject: Re: automatic copy??
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:55:08 GMT

In article <GHC7XEJ@math.fu-berlin.de> guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:
>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>
>>I know you can have copies of your outgoing mail automatically saved, 
>>by setting copy to ON in the elmrc. However, that only seems to work
>>when you are the one initiating the message.
>>
>>How does one get a copy of your reply to a message automatically
>>saved?
>
>A "reply" to someone's mail is a special kind of your mail.
>Thus it is saved as part of the outbound mail.
>Have a look at your options menu to see where the mail is stored.

Also, after you have typed in your letter, but before you send it, if you
type in 'c' (copy), it will normally copy the letter directly into the
folder named after the login you are sending to.  Then type in 's' (send) to
send off your letter.  This is probably not as automatic as you would like,
but it works fine for me.
--- the Dream Weaver (aka Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: elm vs sendmail
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:46:30 GMT

rchrd@netcom.com (Richard Friedman) writes:

>wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:

>>At least one person has written a script to marry elm & nn.  Alas, I
>>never got it to work.  Ask in news.software.nn to see if anyone can
>>furnish the name & source...
>>is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
>I found the script in news.software.nn FAQ, but it is true, it
>doesnt work.  In fact, I have discovered that it seems that
>whenever you specify a mailer with nn other than sendmail,
>it doesnt work.  I'll take up the matter with the nn newsgroups.

Here is what works for me. I post it here, as it's really short.

In your .nn/init:

set   mailer              nn_elm
unset mailer-pipe-input

And here is the nn_elm script:

<-------- Cut here -----------------------------------
#/bin/sh
#
# nn_elm
#
# 07 Aug 91             V1.0
#
# Massage a mail message from nn into a form that elm can use
# (c) 1991 Phil Kernick  Wizard Software
#

eval `awk '
BEGIN {
  FS = ":";
  dq = sprintf("%c", 34);

  headers = 0;
  to = "";
  subject = "";
}

/^.*: / {
  headers++;
  if($1 == "To")
    to = dq substr($0, 5) dq;
  if($1 == "Subject")
    subject = dq substr($0, 10) dq;
}

/^$/ {
    printf("tail +%d %s | elm -s %s %s > /dev/null\n", headers+2, mail, subject, to);
    exit;
}' mail=$1 $1`

exit $?
<-------- Cut here -----------------------------------

Your mileage may vary.

Sincerely,
Klaus

--
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Phone: (+49 89)3209 4287        Hochschulgelaende
FAX:   (+49 89)3209 4280        D-8046 Garching, Germany
Internet: Klaus.Steinberger@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE
From: cstila@uta.fi (Timo Laitinen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Address
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:57:27 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


I'd like to have address the university of Ulm (Germany).
I have on (maybe old or wrong): 134.60.66.21, but I can't get
connection with this address.

Thank You, Timo

K|nnen Sie mir bitte eine Adresse von Ulm Universit{t (Deutch) geben.
Ich habe eine 'alte' Adresse: 134.60.66.21, aber es geht nicht.

Danke Sch|n, Timo
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm vs sendmail
Date: 29 Sep 1992 03:04:39 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

At least one person has written a script to marry elm & nn.  Alas, I
never got it to work.  Ask in news.software.nn to see if anyone can
furnish the name & source...
--
A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 06:16:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.184527.175@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:
>The exact reason is Sun's.  Sun's command tool needs ti/te codes
>to switch into a cursor addressable mode.  Now, there are probably
>about 5-10 places where it is not advisable to do this (not counting
>the startup/error message problem) one being the folder scroll
>display.  But in the entire time it existed this way during development,
>no one submitted a patch to fix it.  So, I am dependent on those for
>whom it is a problem to fix it.

But I have this problem with an xterm, whereas 2.3PL11 worked well.
A quick&dirty solution is to start xterm with titeInhibit: true
or to start elm from a wrapper-shellscript which sets term=vt100.
I really don't like this.

cheers
silvano

PS: The rest of 2.4 is really great!
-- 
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From: yenamand@giga.cs.umn.edu (Murthy yenamandra)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Printing in elm
Summary: Printing doesn't work here!!
Keywords: printing
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:54:33 GMT
Organization: :noitazinagrO

Hi,

    Would anybody know why I can't print from elm here? We're running
    ELM [version 2.3test PL26] and I have

	/bin/cat %s | /usr/local/bin/enscript

    as my print option. I get a message 

	cat: /tmp/print.8667: No such file or directory
	Printout failed with return code 1.

    when I try to print. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Murthy
--
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Dept of Comp Science 	|     I lift my lids and all is born again.
Univ of Minnesota	|     (I think I made you up inside my head.)"
yenamand@cs.umn.edu	|
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,news.answers
From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Help get Mush 7.2.4 to make on SYSV R4.0.3 (ESIX) ?
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:07:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.mush
Organization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA

I've been using mush 7.2.3 for some time.  There were a few problems
getting it to make, but all went well in the end.

Now I applied the patches to make it 7.2.4, and a new set of problems
appeared.  It seems worth asking if anyone else has solved these already.
I'm getting some grief amidst some ifdefs about POSIX support. Sound
familiar?  Is there more?
-- 
Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com )
voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA  93035
Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say.
From: cd1f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chadley Kaye Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: compressed folders
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:31:32 GMT
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Here's some cmd`s I wrote to automate the compression/
decompression of folders. It compresses all but the
"%" folder which I keep uncompressed so incoming mail
can be handled outside of mush. 


# To compress a folder

cmd com 'pipe compress ~/mailfolders/!*'

# To store the current (soon to be old) folder name

cmd olf 'eval -p set oldfolder= %f'

# To compress the oldfolder

cmd como 'com $oldfolder'

# To uncompress a folder

cmd ucom 'pipe uncompress ~/mailfolders/!*'

# The new "folder" command to switch to a new folder:
# First it stores the name of the current folder,
# then it uncompress the new folder, switches to the
# new folder, and finally compress the oldfolder.

cmd f 'olf ; ucom !* ; folder +!* ; como'

# This command takes you to you home %, mailfolder
# It is similar to the f command above, but does not
# try to un/uncompress the home folder.

cmd home 'olf ; folder % ; como'

# This new move command is necessary to save messages into
# compressed folders. It first uncompresses the target
# folder, then saves the messages into it, then recompresses
# the folder and finally deletes the messages.

cmd m 'ucom !:2 ; save !:1 +!:2 ; com !:2 ; d !:1'


Ex 1: to switch to mailfolder "meetings"

mush>f meetings

Ex 2: To return to incoming mail folder

mush> home

Ex 3: To move messags 13,16 and 20-23 to folder "meetings"

mush> m 13,16,20-23 meetings

Caveats: These commands assume that the folders are compressed.
         If in Ex 3, the "meetings" folder did not exist, error
         messages about not being able to uncompress the folder
         come up on the screen, but the command still works.


Any ideas on how to get rid of the error messages? Thanks,

-chad dawson
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: Re: How to send mail to multiple recipients
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:06:22 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <AGV4lngGkB@lynx.jet.riga.lv> iva@jet.riga.lv writes:
>In article <antbh.717439413@strix>,
>antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander) writes:
>> I am editing and distributing a small newsletter. The number of recipients
>> have grown and I am acutely embarassed over the primitive distribution
>> format. I have assembled all my subscribors in a file and when I send
>> out the news letter a give a simple "r*" (reply all) command. This means
>> that the header of each newsletter contains the names of all the addresses
>> to the subscribers. Is there a more elegant way of doing this?

>Try to use the following shell script:

[a "cat | mail" loop to each recipient shell script omitted]

This isn't a good idea at all.  Most mail systems spawn off a copy
of the MTA in the background for each invocation of mail.  Which
means, if you have more than a couple recipients, you could hang
your machine and/or crash some of the MTA invocations.  This
is standard behaviour for *most* MTAs, including sendmail.

[You should see the result when there's a 100 simultaneous
invocations of sendmail!]

Furthermore, this defeats the batching mechanisms of many mailers.

The simplest method (on sendmail and with many other MTAs) is to
place the list of subscribers in the system wide alias file.
(eg: /usr/lib/aliases on sendmail sites).  ala:

	newsletter-list-out:	list of names (or use an include file)

Then send the news letter to "newsletter-list-out".

The MTA (most at least) won't expand the system alias into the "To:"
line in the message, so the recipient names won't appear in the
message at all.  And there's only one invocation of the MTA.
This will work with pretty well any user interface.

More sophisticated mechanisms often work best when you invoke
the MTA directly.  Ie: I send out my mailing list with
a shell script that invokes "smail" (my MTA) directly.
This permits me to hand-craft the To: and From: lines to
prevent bounces going to untoward places, and insert Reply-To:s
etc.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: schaefer@z-code.z-code.COM (Bart Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Auto CC'ing ?
Reply-To: schaefer@z-code.z-code.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:37:26 GMT

On Oct 1,  3:54pm, Matthew Braun wrote:
} Subject: Auto CC'ing ?
}
} I want to have all outgoing mail from mush to have an list of people to
} CC the message to.  For example, while logged into the user 'uucp', I
} want to send mail to 'anyone', and I want that outgoing message Cc'd to
} 'uucp' automatically by mush.  (Note: all mail sent to user 'uucp' gets
} mailed to a list of people via an /etc/aliases entry).
} 
} I tried setting: my_hdr Cc: uucp
} 
} But that didn't work, the outgoing header looks like:
} 
} > From uucp Tue Sep 29 15:40:11 1992
} > From: uucp@ess19 (Applicon UUCP)
} > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:40:11 -0400
} > Cc: uucp
} > X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92)
} > To: braun
} > Subject: test of auto Cc: feature.
} 
} It looks like the Cc: is too high, it should probably be last, but how
} do you make mush do this???

It doesn't make any difference where the Cc: header is located.

However, trying to set addressing headers (To:, Cc:, etc.) via the my_hdr
command only works when you have the variable "edit_hdrs" set.

A better solution is probably:

	cmd mail 'mail -c uucp'
	cmd reply 'reply -c uucp'
	cmd replyall 'replyall -c uucp'
	cmd m mail
	cmd r reply
	cmd R replyall

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                      Vice President, Engineering
schaefer@z-code.com                                Z-Code Software Corporation
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: mark@hsi.com (Mark Sicignano)
Subject: Re: How to send mail to multiple recipients
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:23:25 GMT

In article <AGV4lngGkB@lynx.jet.riga.lv> iva@jet.riga.lv writes:
>
>Try to use the following shell script:
>
>
>----------------- cut here ------------------
>:
>subject=$1
>file_with_usernames=${2:-$HOME/.friends}
>file_with_message=$3
>
>for name in `cat ${file_with_usernames}`
>do
>       cat ${file_with_message} | mail -s ${subject:-""} $name

Why use cat when you can just:

	mail -s ${subject:-""} $name < ${file_with_message}

>done
>----------------- cut here ------------------
>
>Andrei Ivanov

I suggested that he create an alias with all of the recipients,
and "set no_expand".

Wouldn't that do what he needs and do it much more efficiently?

-mark
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: iva@jet.riga.lv (Andrei Ivanov)
Subject: Re: How to send mail to multiple recipients
Reply-To: iva@jet.riga.lv
Organization: The lvNet
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:48:47 +0200

In article <antbh.717439413@strix>,
antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander) writes:
> 
> I am editing and distributing a small newsletter. The number of recipients
> have grown and I am acutely embarassed over the primitive distribution
> format. I have assembled all my subscribors in a file and when I send
> out the news letter a give a simple "r*" (reply all) command. This means
> that the header of each newsletter contains the names of all the addresses
> to the subscribers. Is there a more elegant way of doing this?
>

Try to use the following shell script:


----------------- cut here ------------------
:
subject=$1
file_with_usernames=${2:-$HOME/.friends}
file_with_message=$3

for name in `cat ${file_with_usernames}`
do
       cat ${file_with_message} | mail -s ${subject:-""} $name
done
----------------- cut here ------------------

Andrei Ivanov
From: marzouki@archi.imag.fr (Meryem Marzouki)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: Re: Auto CC'ing ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:03:23 GMT
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France

braun@aa.cad.slb.com (Matthew Braun) writes:

>I want to have all outgoing mail from mush to have an list of people to
>CC the message to.  For example, while logged into the user 'uucp', I
>want to send mail to 'anyone', and I want that outgoing message Cc'd to
>'uucp' automatically by mush.  (Note: all mail sent to user 'uucp' gets
>mailed to a list of people via an /etc/aliases entry).

>I tried setting: my_hdr Cc: uucp

>But that didn't work, the outgoing header looks like:

What about setting a boolean variable in your ~/.mushrc file ?
Just add the following line in the file :

set askcc

You will then be systematically asked for a list of Cc'd people.

-- 
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46 av. Felix Viallet, 38031 Grenoble Cedex, France    Tel: (+33)76574696
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