HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: karl@thuja.gsfc.nasa.gov (Karl A. Anderson)
Subject: Re: bringing family to usenix
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:01:17 GMT

In article <tommy.724347299@hilbert>, tommy@hilbert.att.com (Tom Reingold) writes:

|> 
|> It seems that both Henrys misunderstood me.  My company will pay my
|> airfare and hotel.  Of course I do not expect them to pay a dime for my
|> wife's or children's expenses.  And my intention is to enjoy San Diego
|> before or after the conference.  I hope no one sees anything wrong with
|> taking advantage that I'll already be there without having paid my
|> airfare out of pocket.
|> -- 

Nah, I've done what you plan to do a couple of times with the full blessing of my
employers and their government clients.  If you stay over a weekend, you save so
much money on air fare they're glad to let you take a couple of days vacation.
-- 
Karl A. Anderson		| Internet: karl@thuja.gsfc.nasa.gov
NASA/GSFC code 920.2 (HSTX)	| voice: (301) 286-3815
Greenbelt, MD 20771		| #include "std_disclaimer"
From: st@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Scott Taylor 3690)
Subject: Re: bringing family to Usenix
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:35:03 GMT

In article <BzBGLq.9J3@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>Agreed.  But if all you are sent for is the talks, your employer would
>be better off just buying you a copy of the proceedings and telling you
>to read it.  If your employer thinks it worth sending you in person, they

I have never attended a Usenix conference.  I hope that Usenix-ites are NOT
as stuffy as some of the people who have responded like this.

C'mon Henry, attending the talks != reading the proceedings.  Are you angry
because someone did not like your BOF?

Why dont you guys just relax a little?


Scott Taylor

Robert Blake to David Horowitz on the Johny Carson Show :

	"You must be a bitch to live with"

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mross@iat.holonet.net (Michael Ross)
Subject: Announcing DTP-L (Desktop Publishing List)
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:48:11 GMT

------------------------------
Announcing DTP-L the Desktop Publishing Information distribution list!
------------------------------
 
I am glad to be able to revive the noble efforts of Glenn Reid from
several years ago. Hopefully this list will become your most trusted
source of information for Desktop Publishing on the net.
 
This list provides a forum for discussion across platforms of Desktop 
Publishing solutions, whether hardware, software or imagineware.  How-to,
why-can't-I and when-will-they questions are just as acceptable as
philosophcal meta-discussions.  
 
To subscribe send mail to LISTSERV@ANTIGONE.UU.HOLONET.NET which says:
SUBSCRIBE DTP-L Your_full_name
where Your_full_name is really your name...
 
Note: This list is both distributed and digested. You will be given the
option when you subscribe as to which you prefer.
From: drawson@Tymnet.com (Dick Rawson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Teletype type face wanted
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:53:59 GMT
Organization: BT North America, San Jose CA.

Does anyone know of an available typeface that looks like a Model 15 or 28
Teletype's printing?  Or maybe like a military CW operator's "mill"?
It isn't simply a Courier typeface in all upper case, with slashed zeros.
For one thing, I remember that the Teletype's printing was sans-serif.
I don't know what else is characteristic.  Typing on an office typewriter
in all caps looked just like "typing in all caps", not like Teletype.
 
Purpose:  nostalgia.  I'm looking for a type face for PC word processors,
but would settle for Postscript (none of my PCs have Postscript printers).
(Please e-mail me a copy of any followup you post to News before the New
Year, so I don't miss the reply over the holidays.)  
 
73,  Dick Rawson  n6cmj       drawson@tymnet.com
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: nedervol@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Eric Nedervold)
Subject: Re: Devanagari Key-Layout Needed
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:33:48 GMT

It was George who commented on the differences; I cut that part of his article
out. Sorry, George.
--Eric
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3690 misc.forsale.computers:43537
From: westes@smurf.sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: WANTED: EuroStyle Type 1 Postscript Font
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:30:07 GMT
Organization: Mail Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: smurf.sti.com

I want to variety of EuroStyle fonts that I can install as Type 1 fonts
under Adobe Type Manager for Windows.  I also need to be able to convert
the font in CorelDRAW! format and work with it there.  If you have a
EuroStyle font for sale please contact me by mail.

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.text.tex
From: ms@p107.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Martin Schroeder)
Subject: Re: Definitive list of all fonts available for Metafont
Reply-To: L15D@ALF.ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE
Organization: Universitaet Bremen
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:55:30 GMT


In article <1992Dec7.012428.5547@sq.sq.com>, lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin) writes:
...
|> There are some more Computer Modern variants stored at ymir; these
|> include parameters for generating cm fonts at sizes 14, 18, 24 and 36pt.
|> ftp: ymir.claremont.edu (134.173.4.23): cd [anonymous.tex.mf.cm.variants]
...

Where are these fonts? Definitely not at [anonymous.tex.mf.cm.variants], since
this directory does not exist. And not in the [anonymous.tex.font] tree.

                    ___
       ___....-----'---`-----....___
 =========================================        Martin Schr"oder
        ___`---..._______...---'___           L15D@ALF.ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE
       (___)      _|_|_|_      (___)
         \\____.-'_.---._`-.____//
          `~~~~`.__`---'__.'~~~~'
                   ~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac,aus.mac
Subject: Re: Installing LOTS of fonts on a Macintosh + request for font FAQ
Date: 10 Dec 92 15:20:04 GMT
	<1992Dec7.210159.23700@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 7 Dec 92 21:01:59 GMT, eepmatt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Matthew Friedman) said:

eepmatt> I have a lot of typefaces installed as well, and find a program
eepmatt> called Adobe Type Reunion indespensible. All it does is group
eepmatt> fonts by family name, but its small and I found that it always
eepmatt> took to long for my impatience to display the typeface names in
eepmatt> their own typeface anyway.

I can also recommend Master Juggler; it costs very little ($25 or
soemthing like that),a nd apart from doing several other nifty things,
it does what Suitcase does, and also has several nice utilities; one of
them does the same job as Type Reunion, *statically*, in that it
rearranges suitcase so that variations on a typeface are all accessible
with the typeface name.
--
Piercarlo Grandi                   | JNET: pcg@uk.ac.aber
Dept of CS, University of Wales    | UUCP: ...!aber-cs!pcg
Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK | INET: pcg@aber.ac.uk
From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Adobe Type Manager, WFNBoss, Corel Draw
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:54:22 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: kauai.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: francis@ircam.fr's message of Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:52:02 GMT


In article <1992Dec18.125202.13638@ircam.fr> francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:

   I remember someone posting not long ago how to get Corel Draw fonts
   exported into Adobe Type 1 format using WFNBoss to be useable under ATM.

   I have a few questions.

   1. Is there a normal scheme for adjusting the UniqueID, or can I rely that
      simply typing over the file size (which is fairly unique) over the
      ID number will work in all cases.

(a) If you change the `visible' UniqueID, you might as well comment it out!
    Across-job font caching only works if the `visible' UniqueID matches
    the one hidden in the encrypted section.  And the UniqueID is not used
    for anything else.

(b) If you edit the PFB file, use an editor that can handle binary files,
    and do not add or remove any characters, merely change characters
    already there.  The PFB file has embedded length codes that would
    otherwise be rendered incorrect.  Alternatively, first convert to PFA
    format, which is plain ASCII, edit, then convert back to PFB format.

   2. Can I combine multiple fonts of the same family into a single file?
      I'd like to, for instance, have the four Frutiger forms
      (Norm,Bold,Ital,BoldItal) come up under a single name so I don't 
      have incredibly long font-selection lists. Right now, I have each
      under a different name for selection.

Yes, this is simply a matter of setting up the PFM metric files properly.
You want the `Windows Face Name' to be the SAME for the four fonts,
and the `bold' and `italic' bits set appropriately according to style.
Unfortunately, since the AFM file does not contain the Windows Face Name
(or the Mac QuickDraw font name) font generation and conversion software
often uses something inapproriate, like the PostScript FontName or the
PostScript FamilyName.

   3. What might be causing my printer to throw up (emit a single blank page)
      when I use, for instance, a TrueType Dingbat in a mostly postscript
      document? I've looked at the generated code, and I don't see any reason
      for it.

Who knows.  In Windows, TrueType fonts are converted to unhinted Type 1
fonts when printing to a PostScript printer.  Maybe the TT font you are
using is broken?

   -- 
   | Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
   | today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3724 gnu.misc.discuss:4063
From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: "Hinting" using antialiasing? A GNUish alternative...
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:41:53 GMT
Followup-To: comp.fonts
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

The thought of automatic antialiasing for screen fonts suggests a
somewhat unrelated question: does any software for generating hardcopy
on electrostatic devices automatically consider questions of
charge-leakage near corners when setting at low resolution (300 dpi or
so)? Is there a reasonable way to incorporate this into hinting
languages and has this been done?

---Jon
-- 

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: games@max.u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Truetype slows down the system???
Organization: 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:52:00 GMT

In article <15DEC199221211607@trentu.ca>, rbarclay@trentu.ca (ROSS BARCLAY) writes:
> 
> I have recently installed a whole bunch of truetype fonts on my
> system. My system has really slowed down. Is this my imagination or
> is truetype slower than ATM? _Everything_ seems slower, not just font
> manipulation, etc . . .
> 
> Thanks for any info
> 


Well, it depends on what applications you are running, and how.  The list of 
True Type fonts needs to be loaded, and so that takes system resources.
This does not take much per font.  How many fonts have you loaded?  (I have
over 300, not a big deal.)  The problem comes when you start accessing a lot
of fonts in the same document.  Then Windows has to actually load and remember the 
the font itself.  This takes a LOT of system resources.  Unfortunately,
it tries to keep this type of stuff resident, and so it will swap your 
application before swapping the font stuff.  This can be VERY slow.  (Like
30 seconds to move to a new line in a document with a different font.)  If you
are at all tight on system resources (read REAL MEMORY...), you might want to 
buy more.  If you are on a 286, forget it.

		John.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer)
Subject: Seeking adress of 'ATF'
Reply-To: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer)
Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:41:53 GMT


Hi there,

as I know in the USA exists a font-developer named 'ATF'. Does anybody know  
their postal adress (incl. phone) or better email adress?

Thanks for answering
-Borris-
-- 

---
Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany
Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 - e-mail borris@boba.rhein-main.de
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
Subject: Re: supposed IBM OEM font in Type 1 format...
Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:03:37 GMT

spowell@trentu.ca (STEFAN POWELL) writes:
>bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) writes...
[some regular ol'-fashioned flames about a PD font]

>>Hilarious!  What a delightful misuse of the whole Type 1 concept.
>
>  Again, it wasn't _that_ funny. You have a strange sense of
>  humor. I didn't know that a concept like this could be misused.
>  We should all  be careful on how we use concepts if they can be
>  so easily misused.

Yes, we should be careful.

There's never been a programming language in which it was impossible, or
even particularly difficult, to write a bad program.  Type 1 is a limited
programming language. -30-

>  Well, what do you expect from a shareware/freeware font?
>  Like I said, if you don't like it then don't use it.
...
>  Well, what do you expect from a shareware/freeware font?
>  Like I said, if you don't like it then don't use it.
...
>  Well, what do you expect from a shareware/freeware font?
>  Like I said, if you don't like it then don't use it.

Just because it's free doesn't mean you have to try to make it worth the
price.  If all you can say to Berthold's criticisms is "if you don't like
it, don't use it" then I guess you admit they're all valid and you've given
the world a font with a bunch of problems?  You're not doing yourself or
your reputation any good with this attitude.

Nor are you doing the world of shareware/freeware any good, to use that as
an excuse for the problems.  There are people who write good shareware/
freeware, who care what people think about their work, and care whether
it's got problems.  I hold no brief on the merit of your font...but if it
really does have the problems bkph mentioned, keep it to yourself.

>  ...Hopefully nothing
>  more needs to be said on the matter...

I.e., hopefully you get the last word in?  On USENET, fat chance!
-- 
Dick Dunn    rcd@raven.eklektix.com   -or-   raven!rcd    Boulder, Colorado
	...Straight, but not narrow.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dahlberg@netcom.com (Carl R. Dahlberg)
Subject: Converting Type 1 PostScript fonts --> Folio 3B format
Followup-To: carl@granite.com
Summary: Looking for a utility to convert Type 1 PS font --> Folio 3B format
Keywords: Convert, Type1, Folio3B
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:19:34 GMT

I find I need to convert a Type 1 PostScript font (consisting of .afm and
.pfb/.pfa files) into "Folio 3B" format, whatever that is.  Does anyone
know of a program that can accomplish such a conversion?

Replies by e-mail would be fine, as I can't imagine anyone else ever
wanting to do this.

Mucho thanks, non-denominational Holiday Greetings to thou and thine.

Carl
---------------------------------------------------------------
Carl Dahlberg
carl@granite.com
Disclaimer: "The above views are those of my employer,
             and should in no way be construed to be my own."

(Only a dork would press "n" at the next prompt)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: 1628726ps485@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Condensed fonts
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:36:46 GMT

Hi.  A friend of mine has asked me to update his newsletter.  Currently,
he uses Times for body text and Helvetica for headlines; in a word, 'blah'.
As his newsletter contains a lot of text, I'm thinking of using a condensed 
serif typeface.  Because these are few and far between, I could use one
with a narrow set width, instead.

I'd appreciate any suggestions of a condensed serif font and a condensed san
serif font that work well together.  "Times New Roman Condensed" with "Gill 
Sans Bold Condensed" would work, but it is predictable.  Something like "ITC
Weidemann" is much more distinctive, but I'm not sure what headline face 
I would use.  I use Pagemaker on the PC, and I avoid TrueType like the plague.

If you prefer, contact me directly at:  1628726ps485@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca

Regards,
Fraser Goodmurphy.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: erikjan@icce.rug.nl (Erik-Jan Vens)
Subject: Re: whereis Trutype Font Specification Document
Reply-To: E.J.Vens@icce.rug.nl (Erik-Jan Vens)
Calvin-And-Hobbes: Scientific Progress Goes **BOINK**
Organization: The ICCE Experience
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:29:37 GMT

In <1992Dec17.095313.1@max.u.washington.edu> games@max.u.washington.edu writes:

>In article <BzBn1I.618@wimsey.bc.ca>, sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>> How do I obtain a copy (soft or hard) of the Trutype Font Specification
>> Document?

>ftp from FTP.UU.NET
>in the vendors MicroSoft TrueType directory.  It comes in WORD format.

Or ftp from obelix.icce.rug.nl, where I have stored it in PS format.

EJee.
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Xref: sparky comp.fonts:3653 soc.culture.indian:40400
From: avinash@felix.contex.com (Avinash Chopde)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Devanagari Key-Layout Needed
Summary: contact C-DAC, Pune, India.
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:33:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.fonts

In article <1992Dec11.142046.20191@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, glenn.alldis@human.utas.edu.au (Glenn Alldis) writes:

> However we need information about existing key-board layouts for devanagari 
> fonts.
>    ***Is it more or less standardised?

I think that most packages use non-standard layouts.
There is an organization in India, C-DAC which is trying to develop a
standard keyboard layout and fonts for indian languages.
I do not have their address with me right now, but I do have it lying around
someplace...let me know if you need it.

C-DAC has been commissioned by the Indian Govt to develop standards for
indian languages, I presume with the might of the govt, it will surely
become a standard...they also presented font requirements to the UNICODE
committee.

Actually, if you need to buy their software, it is quite inexpensive.
For Rs. 600 (Indian, less than US$20), you can buy multiple typefaces
for any one indian language, usable with Microsoft Windows.

> Glenn
-- 
---------------------------
Avinash Chopde         office : 617 246 1776x5582
avinash@contex.com     (...!uunet!contex!avinash)
From: Decker@Themis.CS.UMASS.EDU (Keith Decker)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Downloading a PS font permanently?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:32:51 GMT
Reply-To: decker@ariel.cs.umass.edu
Organization: Computer and Information Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA


I didn't find this addressed in the FAQ:

How do I download a (PostScript) font (say, a .pfa or .pfb file)
*permanently* onto the printer from Unix?

(Example: the Macintosh Laserwriter Utility does this)

Alternately, is there a Mac utility that will do this to a
*spooled printer*. The Laserwriter utility will not download
fonts to a printer on a spooler, only to one directly on
Appletalk. It is an amazingly painful process to switch from
Ethertalk to Local talk and run the chooser, and then download,
and then set everything back. I was hoping I could write a shell
script to do it from Unix...

Thanks in advance,
/Keith

decker@cs.umass.edu
Cooperative Distributed Problem Solving Laboratory
University of Massachusetts at Amherst
From: ccacct@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: Devanagari Key-Layout Needed
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:27:08 GMT

Hello Glen,

        I don't know of any standardized keyboard layout for Devanagari. Severalyears ago Mr. Piysh Ghosh has proposed a layout when he was desigining TEX
compatible Devanagari fonts using Metafont program. Personally, I don't like
that configuration. I have seen one coming out of U. California at Berkley
(Contact Prof. George Hart, South Asian Languages Dept), which, in my opinion,
was totally unsatisfactory. Having seen these, I have developed my own on
Macintosh, which parallels the the QWERTY layout, and has only the basic
alphabet (plus about 10 special chars) on the keyboard. I have also built
a context sensitive editor to generate the whole script (including many
complex consonant conjust forms, going to 3 levels, which do not exist in
any other implementation that I know), when the basic alphabet is entered
phonetically. What this means are the foloowing 3 rules:

a) When a Vowel is typed IMMEDIATELY after a consonant, then don't display
   the vowel itself, but replace the preceding vowel by its Matra (Vowel
   conjugated) form.
b) Any nonvowel typed after a consonant will of course break the IMMEDIACY
   rule and will not affect the consonant. But in some cases, you may like
   to display the consonant & vowel side by side. In this case, you press
   CONSONANT + ENTER KEY + Vowel. Pressing ENTER key "delinks" Consonant
   from Vowel, without the presence of ENTER key itself recorded.
c) ENTER key can be used as a "link" key to form consonant conjugates.
   Thus, pressing ENTER consonant displays the Consonant marker instead
   of the consonant itself.

        So, using this context editor one can type the language very easily
and port the file to any other full fledged word processor & format it.
I have also found that by properly mapping the font, one can simulate
the context analysis very closely, without even having context editor.
This is very useful if you want to type the script directly in a word processor.Further, I have found that the PS fonts created on MAC can be ported to PC
and appropriate MACROS can be defined to type the script in a logical
fashion as if using context analysis. I have tested this on a more complex
script Telugu, but not on Devanagari. I have only defined bitmapped fonts
in 12pt & 24pt sizes for Devanagari on Mac, hence I could not port them
to PC. In any case, I can send extracts pertaining to Devanagari from my
MAC manual, which should give a good idea of the keyboard layout I have
and also how context analysis works. Please send me your mailing address
(i.e., postal address) if you want this material.

Regards,
Desikachary.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts