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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Dec 22: Chatichai's VN trip blasted
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:07:00 GMT
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FOREIGN Minister Prasong Soonsiri yesterday hit out at former prime
minister Chatichai Choonhavan and his son, Kraisak, for their apparent
attempt to gain political capital for their visit to Vietnam.
 
"Anybody can go to Vietnam, but in what capacity is another matter.
 
"If the visit is aimed at helping develop that country, that would be
good. But we should not cheat them (the Vietnamese) or give them false
hopes," the minister said.
 
Sqn Ldr Prasong is scheduled to visit Vietnam on a three-day tour
beginning tomorrow.
 
Gen Chatichai has criticised Sqn Ldr Prasong for his handling of
foreign affairs, particularly the conflict between Thailand and Burma
over Hill 491.
 
The Chart Pattana Party leader has also claimed that Sqn Ldr Prasong
was not capable of handling the country's foreign affairs because he
was not known internationally.
 
"How can anybody know me. I have not had my assets seized," the
minister said.
 
Sqn Ldr Prasong said he believed that the news of his plan to visit
Vietnam could have been leaked and this resulted in somebody else
travelling to that country before him.
 
"This is my initiative but somebody else has followed suit," Sqn Ldr
Prasong said.
 
The minister added: "Soon the father and son will know me better." He
did not elaborate.
 
Sqn Ldr Prasong said he was invited by Vietnamese Foreign Minister
Nguyen Manh Cam.
 
The minister said the purpose of his visit to the Indochinese nation
was to introduce himself, to exchange views to further expand
bilateral relations and to pursue other pending issues such as the
fishing problems and the overlapping territorial waters.
 
Vietnamese refugees who have been stranded in Thailand for a long time
will also be discussed, Mr Prasong said.
 
During his visit, the minister said he also is scheduled to meet with
the Vietnamese president and the Communist Party secretary-general.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: Saudi Arabia executed a Christain preacher on Christmas Day
Date: 26 DEC 92 15:13:28 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        Christmas is the day of love, peace, and forgiveness.  But a Philipino
preacher, Oswaldo Magdangal, was scheduled to be executed in Saudi Arabia  on
this very Christmas day because the crime he committed was teaching about
Christain.  This sad news comes from bit.listserv.seasia-l.
        Thailand, although it is developing country, no oil, and its politic is
under military, it still gives more freedom to the people.  Not any one of any
religion preacher has been prosecuted on its soils.  We welcome any religion.
Let's pround to be Thai.
                                Bunlur
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Is there any news about S. Siwarak?
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:12:36 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Is there any news about S. Siwarak?

	Abi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai Buddhist sayings
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:53:47 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

Sawasdee Khrup Tuk Kon,

   I hope there is someone available to read this.  I think everyone went
home for the holidays.  :-)

   I realized that Americans sometimes use expressions that refer to
Christian religious history.  I was wondering if Thais have Buddhist
religious expressions.  If so, can someone please write some examples?

   Khun Abi and Phi Tawit have referenced famous Thai Buddhist stories
in other postings, but I am interested in Thai expressions.  Here are
some American expressions to help you understand what I mean.

	1. Robbing Peter to pay Paul
	   This means you are collecting something (usually money)
           with the intent of doing one thing with it but in fact
           you end up doing something else with it.  For example,
           collecting donations to help your sick mother and using
           them to pay your broker instead!

	   This expression comes from the historical Christian fact
           that Peter was one of the original disciples of Jesus
           Christ but Paul was a later convert.  Both men created
           churches and converted the masses to this new religion.
           Both men competed against each other for converts.

	2. Doubting Thomas
	   This means you are unwilling to believe the words of
	   another person.  You must see the fact yourself whether
	   it is an action or object or event being described by
	   this person.  For example, not believing the test score
	   of your friend/competitor until he actually shows you
	   the test.

	   This expression comes from the historical Christian fact
	   that Thomas was one of the original disciples of Jesus
	   Christ.  He was the only disciple to refuse to believe
	   that Mary had actually seen Jesus after he was reborn.
	   Thomas only believed that Jesus was really reborn after
	   Jesus visited Thomas and they shook hands!

As always,

Khawp Khun Khrup

tim	

	   

   
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From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: We welcome any religion
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:10:51 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <26DEC92.15132812@meena.cc.uregina.ca>,
emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes: 
>         Christmas is the day of love, peace, and forgiveness.  But a Philipino
> preacher, Oswaldo Magdangal, was scheduled to be executed in Saudi Arabia  on
> this very Christmas day because the crime he committed was teaching about
> Christain.  This sad news comes from bit.listserv.seasia-l.
>         Thailand, although it is developing country, no oil, and its politic is
> under military, it still gives more freedom to the people.  Not any one of any
> religion preacher has been prosecuted on its soils.  We welcome any religion.
> Let's pround to be Thai.
>                                 Bunlur


I am not very knowledgeable on this subject, but did the Sankha authorities 
in Thailand not take some kind of legal action against Santi Asok to keep
them out of the traditional Buddhist religion?

	Abi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Peace Message From Sri Chinmoy
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:18:13 GMT

In article <C00q61.IzE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Samart Srijumnong) writes:
>fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:
>
>>Real peace starts with identifying yourself when you post.
>
>To me, peace started to be in danger after Khun Tawit posted this sentence 
>as it is seemingly a flaming--an invitation to an unecessary war of words.
>I would have probably started one now.
>

It's a funny coincidence that i just bid farewell to s.c.thai and 
started to read s.c.japan. I saw the 'peace message' in s.c.j and 
responded from here didn't realize that it was crossposted in s.c.thai 
&china as well. Anyway, let me 'peace-up' this puzzle a bit.

>In a way, sending good wishes annonymously, IMO, is a GIVE with the
>intention of not wanting anything in return (since we don't know to whom 
              ^^^^^^$$$$$$^^^^^^^^

That's what exactly why i post. The message was, IMO,
intended mainly to promote Sri Chinmoy more than peace itself.
If the poster's intention was purely for peace and the reason for
not identifying hirself was as you stated, then i apologize.

Again, Happy New Year to all!
May your happiness grow like the Japanese's GNP. :-(
Your prospect be as bright as the Chinese's new economic zone. :-|
And your trouble diminish like the Thai's smile. :-)

Yours violently in peace,
-tawit

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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Dec 25: Senate prefers amending the peace keeping act
Date: 24 Dec 1992 19:58:00 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

 
A SPECIAL Senate committee is expected to recommend an amendment to
the controversial Internal Peace-keeping Director Act instead of
scrapping it altogether as agreed upon by the Lower House.
 
The committee scrutinising the bill seeking to scrap the act failed
yesterday to reach a unanimous decision on what to do with the draft.
 
The bill had been approved by the Lower House after the Suchinda
Kraprayoon government invoked the act to bring  military force to bear
during the May crackdown on democracy protesters.
 
Committee spokesman Wichai Thosuwanchinda said some members of the
committee supported abolition of the act based on the people's will
after the May incident.
 
But other members felt the law should be maintained because it was
useful for the Government in times when the use of military force was
essential to restoring internal peace.
 
A third group wanted the law retained but with amendments which would
require the prime minister to consult his Cabinet before appointing an
internal peace keeping director authorising the use of military force
to quell riots, said Mr Wichai.
 
The failure to reach a united stand resulted in the committee asking
the members to study the pros and cons of the three options so they
could then reach a final decision.
 
Mr Wichai said he personally felt the committee would opt to propose
the amendment of the law rather than scrap it altogether.
From: k34236v@puukko.hut.fi (Paul von Heiroth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Price of renting a van in Thailand?
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:26:04 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

Hello everybody.

I am going to Thailand next march with my family and we would
like to travel around the country by a car or mini-van. 

I am wondering how much it costs to rent a mini-van (we will
be 8 persons traveling) for about one week. I think that the 
van should come with the driver because the traffic is not so
good there.

If anyone has any suggestions about the prices and/or the 
locations from where to rent a van (in Bangkok), please reply
here (e-mail is fine, too).

Thank you,
Paul von Heiroth
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Pardon decree: US and Thai cases...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:05:40 GMT
Keywords: Thai-US 

In the last days of his office, George Bush had announced his pardon for
a number of high rank US officers, including Weiburger, (and himself?). 
The pardon can give amnesty to those who were accused of wrong doing
in Iran-Contra affair.

In the last days of his office, Suchinda had announced his pardon (in form
of "royal decree") to give amnesty of some of the military general and 
himself who were accused of wrong doing in the May Event. 

How could such highly sophisticated political system like that of the 
US allow such action which is also found practiced in a less politically
developed society like Thailand? Anyone has any explanation?
From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com (Trin Tantsetthi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: We welcome any religion
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:33:12 +0700
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.
Distribution: soc

In article <1992Dec30.111052.16651@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> I am not very knowledgeable on this subject, but did the Sankha authorities 
> in Thailand not take some kind of legal action against Santi Asok to keep
> them out of the traditional Buddhist religion?
>
>	Abi

No. Legal action was taken by the Relegion Dept, Ministry of Education.
There is a law requiring that every religion must be registerred with teh
Religion Dept. But why such registration is required is beyond my
understanding. If the system breaks, fix it through your MPs.
From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Dec 25: All politicians to be subject to CCC power?
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:36:29 GMT
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THE Democrat Party is expected to recommend that the Counter-Corruption
 Commission report direct to the Prime Minister and that all political
 officials provide the anti-graft agency with details of their assets
 and liabilities.
 
The Prime Minister's deputy secretary-general, Akom Engchuan, will
propose the changes to the Cabinet through Deputy Prime Minister
Banyat Bantadtan, calling for a bill to amend the CCC Act in four
areas:
 
o To have the CCC become an independent agency which will report
direct to the Prime Minister instead of the Prime Minister's Office.
 
o To require political officials to reveal their assets and
liabilities to the CCC.
 
o To give the CCC greater authority in the provinces.
 
o To organise CCC investigations in accordance with the Criminal Code.
 
"The Deputy Prime Minister in charge of the CCC has paid special
attention to this matter and has agreed to amend the CCC Act," party
sources said.
 
"His advisory team is compiling details so the amendment bill can be
tabled in Parliament."
 
CCC members will meet with Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai and Mr Banyat
to discuss the matter today.
 
But the proposed changes have been criticised by Deputy House Speaker
Thawil Praison in his capacity as chairman of Palang Dharma Party's
Law Filtering Committee.
 
Mr Thawil said the CCC should not report direct to the Prime Minister.
 
"If the Prime Minister is guilty of graft, who will handle him?" he
asked.
 
The deputy House speaker said his preferred amendments would require
that one part of the CCC dealing with permanent officials should come
under the Prime Minister and the other part dealing with political
officials should report to Parliament.
 
Mr Thawil said political officials should reveal their assets and
liabilities publicly each year before the Parliament president instead
bb the anti-graft agency as recommended by the Democrats.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china
From: fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Re: Peace Message From Sri Chinmoy
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:00:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.174727.668@uoft02.utoledo.edu> 
gsalvad@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>e		NEW YEAR 1993 MESSAGE FROM SRI CHINMOY
>                --------------------------------------
>...............(Nice peace messages brutally killed :-)
>....
>		Sri Chinmoy has dedicated his life for propagating world 
>		peace. He spreads his message of peace through  meditation,


Real peace starts with identifying yourself when you post.

Happy New Year to all. 
May peace permeates the earth as religious violences.	 


-tawit

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Love your neighbors as you love your pet and peace will abound.
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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: We welcome any religion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:10:15 GMT


mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>I am not very knowledgeable on this subject, but did the Sankha authorities 
>in Thailand not take some kind of legal action against Santi Asok to keep
>them out of the traditional Buddhist religion?

>	Abi

Yes, you are right, Khun Abi. The Sankha authorities, known as 
Ma"Haa+The+Ra"Sa'Maa-KhOm-, had rejected Santi Asok as a Buddhist sect. 
However, when dealing with other religions, e.g. Christianity or Muslim, 
the Sankh authorities have restrainted themselves. I am not well informed 
about the case either but it seems like there is a Sankha law that gives 
authority on Buddhism to the Ma"Haa+The+Ra"Sa' Maa-KhOm to over look 
the order of Sankha. In the Reign of King Rama IV, the King himself had 
been ordained and attempted to purify Buddhism by initiating
a sect called Dhammayutikanikai. The sect was not regarded as a threat to
the existing Theravadh Buddhism due probably to the virtue of King Rama IV
himself. At that time, there was no Sankha law. I assume it was chartered in
the Reign of King Rama V. Dhammayutikanikai is still practised nowadays in
many Wat"Luang+ (under the royal patronage of the King). Dhammakai, another
tradition, has recently been established with the support of the military.
Unlike Santi Asok, it is not regarded by the Sankha authorities as a threat
to its existence. All these movements within Buddhism itself do not
necessarily mean that other religions can not recruit their new believers.
In a way, the socalled "Loosely structure society" could be a valid label
since many Thais can live by with multiple practices. One of the 
studies done in southern Thailand found that the Thai muslims in the 
South sometimes sought advice from Buddhist monks concerning fortune and
healing practices. The former Dean of my Faculty at Chiangmai who is
a Catholic but was not reluctant to Wai"Phra" when he is the situation 
that requires such practice. Many Thai people also celebrate X-Mas though 
they are not Christian. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: jkatz@netcom.com (Joseph Katz)
Subject: Re: Pardon decree: US and Thai cases...
Keywords: Thai-US
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:01:17 GMT


Damn!!!  Sorry about the truncated message.


In article <C02HDG.1ME@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:
>In the last days of his office, George Bush had announced his pardon for
>a number of high rank US officers, including Weiburger, (and himself?). 
>The pardon can give amnesty to those who were accused of wrong doing
>in Iran-Contra affair.
>
>In the last days of his office, Suchinda had announced his pardon (in form
>of "royal decree") to give amnesty of some of the military general and 
>himself who were accused of wrong doing in the May Event. 
>
>How could such highly sophisticated political system like that of the 
>US allow such action which is also found practiced in a less politically
>developed society like Thailand? Anyone has any explanation?

First let me say that I don't believe that the US system is more 
sophisticated that the Thai system.

Now as to the question of presidential pardons.  The Constitution gives
the President the power to grant pardons in Section 2 of Article 2 as
follows "... and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for
offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."
Therefore, the President may not issue a pardon for him/her self.

Well so goes the theory anyway.  The reality is somewhat more disturbing.
While the President may not pardon him/her self, by issuing pardons to
all those involved in questionable activities (especially before any
trial has been held) the President effectively insulates him/her self 
by providing a shield for the other players to hide behind.  With no
threat of prosecution, why would anyone provide information that might
incriminate the President?  It all boils down to the integrity of the
people we elect to serve us.  No political system can insure that.

--Joe Katz

P.S.  If all else fails, Bush could simply resign the Presidency sometime
      in January with the understanding that Quayle would then issue a 
      pardon for him.  It worked for Nixon.
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: What're up in other newsgroups...(as of 12/31/92)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:27:57 GMT
Keywords: Thailand


From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.fighting,clari.news.politics
Subject:    Thailand to set up checkpoints to enforce U.N. sanctions
Date:       Wed, 30 Dec 92 6:49:07 PST

From:       clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.politics.people,
	    clari.news.gov.corrupt
Subject:    Thai prince denies involvement with Mafia
Date:       Thu, 31 Dec 92 3:51:10 PST
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: learning to read and write in Thai
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:33:38 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Dec19.115116.21739@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
anan@ennex4.eng.utsa.edu (Anan Kaewlium) writes: 
> Hello!
> 
> I was born in Thailand and I have been in the U.S for 14 years. During my  
> childhood, I did not have the opportunity of learning how to read or write  
> the language of my parents. If any one could inform me to where I could  
> obtain a self-taught book, I would greatly appriciate it. Thank You.

I can only tell you what I learned with, and that's a book called
"Easy Thai" by Gordon H. Allison (I think that is correct). There are also 
a lot of AUA books, but I am not sure what their full titles are. And then
there might be some better books that I don't know of.
There is a Thai language course in Cornell university. You could call and 
ask them in the fall. 

Good luck,
	Abi