From: sals@random.uchicago.edu (red-head fancier)
Subject: Re: child labor and minimum wage.
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:21:31 GMT

In article <1k7bqsINN5e6@armory.centerline.com> mrh@centerline.com (Mike  
Huben) writes:
> In article <SLAGLE.93Jan27095147@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>  
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
> >In article <1k17smINN25d@armory.centerline.com>, mrh@centerline.com  
(Mike Huben) writes:
> >
> >> Please name one case where the US government said "you must now
> >> own this slave" or "you've never been a slave before, but you
> >> are one now."
> >
> >The US government made people slaves by denying them their full
> >rights as citizens under the Constitution.  
> 
> Please show where in the constitution (prior to the 14th ammendment)
> citizenship is determined.  The constitution clearly had several  
categories
> of persons: free, indentured, indians, and other.  Until the 14th  
ammendment,
> there was no explicit constitutional basis for extending rights to  
everybody.
And right here wou have shown that the government denied them their full  
rights. The government allowing slaves to exist as others without  
citizenship allowed slaveowners to deny them their rights.
> 
> People were made slaves by their owners proclaiming them so and  
enforcing their
> Merchantilism was a theory of government economics.  Slavery was a  
practice
> of individual capitalists who bought, sold, and worked humans in a  
manner
> very similar to the way in which individual capitalists bought, sold,  
and
> worked any draft animal.  (For example, they seldom ate slaves.)
What exactly do YOU mean by a capitalist? If you mean anyone who engages  
in trade then you are most definitly correct. However, the government  
protected the slaveholders ability to possess slaves.
BTW if capitalists started slavery then you have a very broad conception  
of capitalists. That would include virtually all ancient civilizations  
including Ancient Egypt. the Greek city-states, the civilizations of the  
Indus valley, China, Rome, most african tribes and civilizations, etc etc.  
Gee It's nice to know there were so many capitalistic societies. Maybe you  
could teach a History of Western Civ course, your "history" would be quite  
new. 
> 
> >> I suspect that TJ [Thomas Jefferson] could have freed his
> >> slaves somehow; if only by selling them for a pittance to an
> >> abolitionist.  I suspect that he didn't to retain his
> >> credibility while attempting to legislate their freedom.
> >> Howvere these are mere guesses.  I'd like to see the actual
> >> covenant.
> >
> >Why don't you try reading what Jefferson wrote on the subject,
> >as I have already recommended, instead of parading your uninformed
> >suspicions about.  He has answers for all your questions, and some
> >you probably haven't had a glimmer of yet.
> 
> If you've read TJ on the subject, why don't you simply relate his  
answers
> and share them with all of us?  There are real-time constraints on our  
lives,
> after all.
> 
Maybe because you have been so dense thus far, and maybe so that you could  
grapple with the texts first hand instead of being spoonfed his  
interpertation.
> "Those who misremember the past are pleased to repeat it as `proof'."
> 						Mike Huybensz
I hope Mike and others like him will not fulfill this proposition.
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