From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:14:01 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1992Nov19.235501.18094@tcsi.com> Othar Hansson, othar@agave.tcs.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.185937.768@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com 
>(George Wu) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov18.205344.10779@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>
>>>Mr. George Wu, like many of his Chinese-cu friends,
>>
>>> believes that skin
>>>color determines the inferiority or superiority of a person.  They
>>>also believe that virginity has a crucial bearing on the value of a woman.
>>
>>     Again, I have never stated such beliefs, I have never implied such
>>beliefs, and I do not hold such beliefs.  This statement is outright libel.
>
>Not only that, but Dwight's libel exemplifies a style of argument that
>does not deserve our attention.  Dwight began by making generalizations
>without providing meaningful corroborating evidence, and then moved on
>to personal attacks and misattribution of beliefs.  It is not an
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>argument, and it is no longer even entertaining.
>

I'll give you an example that pissed me off . . .

I said:

In article <32F=as+@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath, kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu
writes:
>Just to be fair (though I am not implicitely supporting Dwight Joe's claims), you
>must admit some cultures are more condusive (sp?) to certain negative actions by
>its members.  For example, American culture is such that the sexually trasnmitted
>disease problem is almost logical (of course, the "safe sex" drive is attempting to 
>change this).  Italian culture (culture != government) almost accepts the Mafia as
>a given.  
>
>But (flip the coin), if you meet an American, he probably doesn't have a STD.  If 
>you meet an Italian, he probably doesn't belong to the mob.  I think Dwight fails
>to realize that point.

But then Dwight goes on to say:

In article <1992Nov18.040848.13667@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dwight Joe,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>>person I've ever heard attempt to ascribe child abuse as an intrinsic belief
>>of all members of Chinese society.  (I beg off describing the Khymer Rouge's
>>beliefs due to my own ignorance on the topic.)
>
>I do not believe that infanticide is committed by all members of Chinese
>culture.  As someone else noted, that something is not practiced by
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>all members of that culture does preclude it from being "intrinsic" to that
>culture.

Though I admit, Dwight Joe never directly attributed me, but if I may use
the  cynical, unforgiving attitude that he uses with Chinese culture, I do
believe he was refering to me.

I also believe that he was completly ignoring the second paragraph of my post 
above, which gives the whole picture of what I was trying to  say.  Dwight just 
conveniently "cut and paste"-ed what he wanted.  It's like quoting someone to 
say "I am  . . . a racist," when the person really said "I am not a racist."

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