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From: gllow@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Gay and Lesbian Liberation of Waterloo)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Keywords: Colours, miss thaaang, colours!
	[Chris Chin]
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:33:26 GMT

In article <thaaang.724731801@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>............................................... only I think the names
>of the groups should be
>
>soc.motss.salmon
>soc.motss.mauve
>soc.motss.dusty.rose
>soc.motss.vermillion
>
>or something like that. Red, orange, blue, and green are for crayons.

(gasp!)

Horrors, miss thaaang! One must *NEVER* use mauve and salmon together!

perhaps soc.motss.salmon.with.a.nice.cream.sauce....whoops, lapsed into
soc.motss.food, there.

Let's see...

soc.motss.mauve
soc.motss.soft.charcoal

would be okay, but it makes the entire ensemble absolutely *reek* of
grey flannel and tweed (which has the most objectionable smell in the
rain)....

soc.motss.dusty.rose
soc.motss.peach

is fine for a beach house on Fire Island, but watch out for those *tacky*
rattan welcome mats.  Oh and those driftwood pieces by the sliding glass 
doors?  They simply _must_ go.

soc.motss.vermillion

is oh-so-passe'.  Leave it with the brie-and-white-wine-spritzers, camelhair,
glen check, white pot lamps (aagh!) and (shudder) polyester.


>
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Hmmm.  If I see your estrellita, will you make me king for a day?

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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (was Re: Ageism)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:43:03 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> Besides, the New Year is upon us, and perhaps it is time for a
>> kinder, gentler _Splat Ex Splaticus_.
>Oh dear.  If the New Year weren't upon us I'd take the time
>to point out that "ex" is followed by the accusative, not the
>nominative.

Probably just as well that the New Year is indeed hurtling towards us,
then, since you would have been wrong.

,
Eamonn
From: d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Manifesto (LONG) Society to Cut Up Bigotted AssholesDIR
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:52:50 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <BzyxK3.7sI@stonewall.demon.co.uk>, nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield) writes:
> 
> Who was the original author? Was is Valerie Solanas? And whatever became
> of her? I remember reading the SCUM manifesto at university. *Very*
> interesting...
> 
> Nigel.

Yeah, it was Valerie Solanis (c.1967-8)

i have no idea what became of her.

David
Xref: sparky soc.motss:53766 alt.politics.homosexuality:8437
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: 24 Dec 1992 21:26:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
> I know my family.  When I contacted them recently, my siblings tell me
> that my mother was more excited than she had ever been -- she wanted
> me home for christmas.  Then she got a letter from me, making it clear
> that sexuality is a part of my life, and is not going away.  

I've read this part over a few times, and don't know if I really 
understand the meaning.  (sexuality is a part of my life).   

> The problem is that you tend to project how we should act/react to
> people based on who you are.  It's another case where you have to step
> back and look at the rest of the world.

You may have a point there.

> It seems like some people want to have it both ways -- they want to
> judge, yet not have the consequences that come with judging.  In my
> opinion, people who "think homosexuality is wrong but treat
> homosexuals just the same" are avoiding something.  They aren't
> dealing with internal issues (about religion, about life).  They just
> want to whistle past the sexuality issue and have everything else
> remain the same.

Here's the S word again, and again I'm not sure I'm grasping all 
of its meaning here.  What is the sexuality issue?   

> Parents who don't completely reject their
> child sometimes come to this point, realizing that there is nothing
> wrong with the child, they have to look at the rest of their beliefs.
> And if they do so honestly, that often leads to changes in themselves.
> Sometimes they leave their church (if the church is telling them
> things about their child that they know are untrue),

Which leads to the question, if tolerence isn't enough; if acceptance 
is what is desired, how is this to be accomplished with the bulk of 
western churches teaching that it is unacceptable?   How can people 
who believe in their religion be convinced that it is OK, if their 
religion teaches it is not?  ie; how will the desired goal of acceptance 
coexist with the churches, and the people in them?  Will the churches 
have to change their teaching on homosexuality?  

> I often recommend this book, and I'll do it again.  It's called Beyond
> Acceptance, and it's written by parents from P-FLAG (Parents and
> Friends of Lesbians and Gays).  It mostly consists of pieces of
> interviews with parents as they go through the process of dealing with
> their child's sexuality.

Think a public library would have this one?

Walter Smith
smithw@cs.itc.hp.com
From: pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Secrets of the Stars
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:50:01 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com


Okay, so I know that Jayne Mansfield used to drink Bourbon and Ginger,  
and that Marilyn Monroe chewed her valiums so they would act faster.

These two little facts give me so much pleasure. I ALways chew my valium,
and when I do, I think of Marilyn.  And whenever it's just the right kind of 
cocktail hour on a sunday, and I can't think what to drink, my whole soul 
fairly lights up when I remember that I can be just like Jayne and 
have a nice Bourbon and Ginger. And when I taste that first sip and think
of Jayne, it's as if I'm taking my shoes off by the fireplace in a Swiss
chalet. I get a warm, flannel-wintry flush that goes up and down my spine.

So are there any other things like this I need to know?

I don't care what kind of scotch John Wayne drank or where Keith Richards 
gets his heroin from.

I'm after those comforting, glamorous, and yes, girlie things that will 
make me feel like I'm wearing a mink coat lent to me by Liz Taylor, just
because she thought it would look good on me, and because, well, I'm 
SUCH a good friend.


pauli.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:28:11 GMT


An Associated Press story in yesterday's (12/29/92)
San Francisco Examiner...

    -----------------------------------------------------

    ASPEN, COLO. -- Singer John Denver and actor Harry
    Hamlin were among celebrities who appeared at a variety
    show to raise money for repeal of Amendment 2, Colorado's
    new anti-gay rights measure.

    Hamlin drew applause Sunday when he welcomed about 400
    people on behalf of those who want the amendment to
    "disappear from the face of the Earth."

    Actor Anthony Zerbe also appeared and said: "The way to
    deal with it is to repeal it."

    John Oates was in the audience but didn't perform.  Liza
    Minnelli backed out of the show in observation of a
    boycott of Colorado.

    The boycott has gained momentum since voters approved
    Amendment 2 on November 3.  The measure prohibits
    governments in the state from passing laws barring
    discrimination against gays.

    Organizers of the benefit expected to raise more than
    $50,000 for the repeal effort.

    -------------- end of article -----------------------

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:33:06 GMT

In article <1i02veINNftp@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>My personal experiences tell me that [homophobia] isn't as bad as 
>I read people here saying it is.  Others say it is.  I
>am looking to reconcile in my own mind the reality of 
>the situation.   

By which you mean *you've* never been fired (or beaten) for being
gay, so you have trouble imagining that anyone else has.

Or am I misjudging you?
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: zw{i,a}cky matters
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:07:55 GMT

In article <92366.144938SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 
 Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>A therblig is a 'Gilbreth' spelt backwards, Gilbreth as in 'John Kenneth'.

No, no, NO.  Gilbreth as in 'Frank', the efficiency expert.  The economist
John Kenneth Gilbraith is not only spelled differently, but also unrelated
to the matter at hand.

Frank Gilbreth is better known as the focus of the book _Cheaper by
the Dozen_, written by two of his long-suffering children.

>It is a unit of task; one therblig is a motion taken in the process of
>accomplishing a task.  (for instance, picking up a nail is a therblig,
>if you're nailing shingles on.)

Efficiency.  Not economics.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:48:50 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <C018zM.E21@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>Or at least something different.  The variation on this theme is "I
>don't care -- you pick something.  Anything is OK."  When "anything"
>turns out to _not_ be what person #2 really wanted, all hell can 
>break loose.

Hmm, I'm not really all that picky on eating out, but I prefer to 
eat in and cook my own food.  my husbear likes to eat out.  
All the males in my family say whatever, and we usually mean it, 
with the one exception of things to which we have allergic reactions.
In my case, shellfish (Mollusks/Crustaceons) so suggesting something 
akin to Red Lobster or Long John Silvers will get a dirty look, which
can sometimes lead to staying home and eating bear....
>
>It can be especially scary at times -- two hungry, country bears wanting
>food but not agreeing on what to eat (except each other ;-).  It's
>really fun those nights I want, say, Italian and Bobby wants Chinese.

Well, then jut eat each other.  Simple as that! :->)
>
>That's when the Food Court at the Mall tends to beckon -- a little
>something for everybody.

Yuck!  I hate malls.  Now, if you wanna go and maul a little...*wink*
>
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From: d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado #2, Constitutionality
Date: 31 Dec 92 06:53:28 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Dec30.194421.27041@midway.uchicago.edu>, lev0@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ron Levy (Armchair)) writes:
> 
>>Get real yourself and look at this from a practical standpoint, instead 
>>of an emotional, reactionary one.  If #2 takes away rights 
>>guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, it will be ruled unconstitutional 
>>and be overturned. 
> 
> Wrongo.  Hundreds if not thousands of state and local laws have taken
> away rights clearly guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, 
True, but they violate section one of the 14th Amendment to the US
Constitution:
	"All persons...are citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
the priviledges or immunities of citizens of the United States...nor denay to
any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

CO:2 violates this in spirit and in letter. It denies equal protection of the
laws. It creates on group as pariah. It is also denying

Congress has passed laws ensuring states do not abridge the rights of US
citizens.

>and they still
> stand.  Challenging something in the Supreme Court takes lots of time
> to work up through the appellate process, lots of money for lots of
> lawyers, and has absolutely no definable chance of success.
> 
The Supreme court usually only hears test cases. FEDERAL courts usually hear
these types of cases.  A federal court will probably hear suits against this
case and decide whether is stands or fails.

The U.S. congress could strike the ammendment down.

> One of the many reasons for this is that the Supreme Court doesn't
> have to take any court case it doesn't want to.  Therefore, if the
> Supreme Court doesn't feel up to actually making a constitutional
> ruling, they don't have to, and nothing at all happens.

Actually if they do not hear a case, it send just as powerful a message -- they
agree with the lower court ruling or that the case has no validity.

David
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anger, Dworkin and ACT-UP
Date: 29 Dec 1992 10:15:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <5fprn8b@lynx.unm.edu> 
rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:
> In article <1hoi7rINN2br@shelley.u.washington.edu>
> rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra) writes:
> >It is pretty much a gay truism these days, that radical groups like
> >Act-up are *necessary* to make the more mainstream groups look mainstream,
> >i.e., without ACT-UP, HRCF would look radical to the bible belt.

With or without ACT-UP, HRCF and Lambda Legal Defense 
and <insert non-radical lesbigay group of your choice 
here> look radical to the Bible belt.

[ ... ]
> I think this has to do with no culturally-acceptable way to vent anger
> and rage (or grief, for that matter).  We hear someone like Dworkin, or 
> Petrellis, and think -- "What a angry person"--totally disclaiming what 
> they are saying because they can't be nice about it.

When I read Dworkin, I don't think, "What an angry person."  
I think in terms of pathology, and say to myself, "This woman
needs help."

> I personally believe we need to get rid fo the Anger=Irrationality
> principle and start listening more carefully to someone when they are angry.

In general, yes.  Wrt Dworkin, no.  Her problem with men
is so deep and intractable that she consider gay male
sexuality a threat to women.  She's sick.  She needs therapy.

Arne

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1993Jan1.041839.17983@spdcc.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:29:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan1.041839.17983@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

   >> 	Fine, then let's write that letter shall we?
   >Sounds good to me.  What have we got to work with so far? 

   OK --- here, I'll write it FOR you... (dumb question - does your wife
   dress you in the morning?)

   [letter deleted]

Walter, I hope you'll take the possibility of sending such a letter
seriously.  Straights at my company have done the same, and they
usually get more positive response (read: any response at all) than we
do.  It's been very helpful.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Thinkin' about the new year
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 13:52:09 GMT

Sorry to interrupt the general flow, but I just got done writing Mara
about what I was going to do new years' eve and I thought it'd fit to
tell the rest of y'all about it too.

It's not that big a deal; I'm just going to go to a party for people
on a local BBS, then to a rave. Noone at the party will know me face-
to-face, as I've only been on it for about a month and haven't had a
chance to meet anyone (though I've gotten some good flirting in, of
course), and the rave will be jam-packed with a mixed crowd of people
I've never met. But I figure I'll have a good time.

When I was telling Mara about this, I realized that this new year's
eve will be the first one that I'll spend autonomously. In the past,
I've rung in the new year either with my friends from high school
(back when my choice of friends was not out of a wide selection, but
out of the sheer need for someone else to be around), with a good
friend and people that I knew through them, or with people I kinda
knew and their friends. I basically tagged along with other people,
not feeling close to most of the people there and not really feeling
comfortable that way. But this year, I'll be with people I've found
on my own, without having someone guide me to them and without a hand
to cling to to make the experience easier. And what's more, I won't
*need* a hand to cling to; If anything, I'll be *providing* a hand to
cling to if I decide to bring Keri to the rave. It's exciting, in a
mellow kind of way.

Thanks.

--
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      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Freudenschade?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:46:42 GMT

In article <72590@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
(George Dalton Madison) writes:

>No. Freudenschade would be Sigmund sitting under a tree on a
>beautiful summer's day -- undoubtedly smoking a cigar and 
>stroking his bushy beard as he thought.

I suppose if he's sitting under a tree (not hereabouts, no
Freude there, in this season), it would be more nearly
Schattenfreude.  What you describe is actually
Baumschattenzigarrerauchenvollbartstreichenfreude des
Sigmunds. :-)

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From: jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Poinsettias
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:40:38 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) divulges:
->In the past I've just 
->planted them in the snow outside and figured if gawd wanted 'em 
->to live then she'd take care of them.
->
->It has since become apparent that gawd doesn't like Poinsettias
->any more than I do.

This is amusing...  Years ago, my mom tried the same thing (though it wasn't
snow, it was just this bare patch out in the yard).  Now, we have this
really interesting hedge that JUST WON'T DIE.  We even trimed it down to
almost bare stems poking up a few inches off the roots, and did this a few
times, but it grows back nice and healthy.

obmotss:  Hmmm...  do poinsettias have gender?  Perhaps my mom acquired a
set of gay flowers?  :)

JOhn.

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Small grooming question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:10:01 GMT

I don't know, would Nair work? (And, tangentally, would Nair work
in more... delicate places?)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Call for Votes: colors/fabrics ticket
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:01:41 GMT

We've got a rilly big list of possibilities for group names under the
colors/fabrics ticket, so I'm going to try to get them narrowed down
to a sane number. So of you care, please choose the 4 most fitting
group names (think inclusiveness; no levi.501's - little.moustaches -
Polo.shirt - Fire.Island combos here) and send them to me by January
4th. I'll compile the top 4 from all the entries and make 2 proposals
using them as the group names (under both soc.motss.~ and soc.
lesbigay.~), with an additional group for documents or whatever. See
Jeff Shaumeyer's post for the reasoning behind the group names;
basically, they'll all be kind of the same, but each taking on their
own personalities depending on who frequents them or avoids them. So,
here's the listing of all the suggestions (thanks to Melinda and George
for their input):

~.black.velvet		~.gold.lame'		~.faded.denim
~.jade.silk		~.fuschia.spandex	~.plaid.flannel
~.black.leather		~.charcoal.latex	~.grubby.union-suit
~.chrome.studs		~.birkenstocks		~.rayon.bowling-shirt
~.interlock.weave	~.handknit		~.pink.chiffon
~.multicolored.hankies	~.crunchy.granola	~.hair.spray
~.yellow.stains		~.white.briefs		~.fishnet.stockings
~.buzz.cut		~.rugby.shirt		~.motorcycle.boots

So pick your favorites and vote for them. Democracy in action!

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