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From: (sbscafg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:22:29 GMT
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In article <^t#@byu.edu>, zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
|> 
|> There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), 

   Not entirely.

|> Why doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
|> graduate?  

   If an athlete were to stay in school, there's a possiblity the may get
   hurt and never make it to the NFL, and also a lot of athletes don't see
   their football talent as a window to an education they might not get
   otherwise, but they see 2 or 3 years of college playing as a road to
   the NFL, with minimal studying required (enough to keep them eligible).
   Of course this isn't true of all.  I even know quite a few who, during
   their last year of eligibility, started grad school.  But then, those
   guys never made it to the NFL.  Also, a lot of non-athlete students don't
   graduate in 5 years, so how can you expect an athlete to do it?

|> or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
|> don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.
|> 

   I agree more with this.  They could even alot part of their salary toward
   their part-time education.  When they get their degree, then that money
   goes back into their normal pay.  But the NFL is not an education system,
   they are a business, and they only look out for themselves, not their
   players best interests.  Of course the players get a lot of good benefits,
   but only as much as will eventually benefit the team.  Sounds like
   business to me.

sbscafg
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:56:54 GMT

In article <1ikl60INNjnm@menudo.uh.edu>, HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER,
JIMMY A.) wrote:
> 
> In <1993Jan8.185454.8928@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com writes:
> 

> > An _ibis_?  What's that?  And what makes it so unique?
> > 
> > --J.J.
> 
>   The Ibis is the first bird to leave when the tide comes in, and the last to
> return as it leaves.

I thought for sure it was on the endangered species list.

James
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:11:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.200338.19418@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com   writes:
>In article <s5ugxk.726172659@sun330>, s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker) writes:
>|> Hi,
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Can somebody explain the penalty given to bama,
>|> resulting in a loss of 15 yards ( not that it mattered !).
>|> 
>|> I thought there should have off setting penalties, if ANY !
>|> I mean 15 yards for twirling the football after touchdown ?
>|> You would call that celebration ?? Give me a break !
>|> 
>	I agree except that it is a penalty.  He spun the ball, they
>	threw the flag.  BUT, Miami's guy that ran in their ONLY touch-
>	down did the same thing and wasn't flagged.  But then again,
>	it wouldn't have mattered would it Gino?

It IS a penalty if you do it on a play in which you do NOT score.  You
can receive the same penalty for spiking the ball or throwing it at 
someone or throwing it into the crowd.

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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A77087865103700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:56:38 GMT
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:58:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.213725.5528@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave,
lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>frank@wanda.princeton.edu writes:
>>I wish everyone would wake up and realize that the reason they behave in
>>that way is to make people mad and lose their concentration and
>>eventually their confidence.
>
>Well Frank,
>
>Do you have children? Do they watch the games with you? Is this the
>kind of sportsmanship you would like to see your kids emulate? Is
>Miami so unsure of its ability to win that it has to play mind games (I
>don't think so)?
>

No, I don't, but please name a team that has a monopoly on sportsmanship
and I will be sure to raise my future children in their home city.  Our
football team is not recruited on the basis of their ability to be role
models.  They are football players.

>I am not questioning their talent, their success, their coaching,.....
>However, I am sick to death of their behavior. Being successful is
>no excuse for being obnoxious.

What you view as obnoxious may be good fun to others (like me).  I
personally have a great time watching them taunt and intimidate.  Maybe
I'm sick! (: 

To give you an even worse impression of UM football, while I was there
one of the few cheers all of the student body would do together was "HEY,
YER MAMA" (with accompaniment from the band).  We loved it.  They told
the band they couldn't do it on national TV during the OB ('88) but the
band cranked it up in the third quarter.  It's fun to be an outlaw!!

>This is my opinion. If you don't like it, stuff it.

Do I have to?  (: 

>Norman

Peace Norm,
	FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
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From: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Subject: Alabama Schedule
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:05:28 GMT

On this mornings radio program they gave Alabama's 1993 football
schedule. 

Tulane
Vandy
Arkansas
La. Tech
South Car.
Tenn.
Miss.
S. Miss
LSU
Miss St.
Auburn

Except for being re-ordered it is the same as 1992. What happened to
the rotation of SEC games? I thought bama would replace So. Car with
another SEC east team - Fl or Ga or Ky?? What gives?

Roll Tide!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Big East Review: RUTGERS
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:15:55 GMT

In <1993Jan11.140837.14448@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:

>In article <yvonne.726518881@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>> In <1993Jan8.143616.1581@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> >4. The last-second win over Virginia Tech showed the team's ability
>> >to win games in "crunch time."  One of the most thrilling victories
>> >since RU 6, Princeton 4 (in 1869).
>> 
>> 
>> Since the game was more like soccer, with one point per goal, the original colleged
>> football game was probably not that thrilling.  On the other hand, RU 7 Princeton 6
>> in 1972 was probably a thriller.
>> 

>How do YOU know?  *I* was there!

>Seriously, since the game referred to was the first in  Rutgers' history
>(and college football history),  what I obviously mean is that it
>was: one of the most thrilling victories in Rutgers' history.

>How about telling us about the 1972 game.

>> 

I didn't attend the 1972 game, but the story has it that Rutgers was up 7-0,
but Princeton scored a TD in the final seconds.  Some zealous RU fans (you,
Bob?) tore down the goalpost to prevent Princeton from kicking the PAT.  The
conversion attempt failed, and RU prevailed, but it may be just one of those
 stories.
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Leonard Renfro to turn pro
Keywords: Colorado, Big 8
Reply-To: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:29:17 GMT


Colorado junior DT Leonard Renfro has declared himself eligible for this
spring's NFL draft.  Probable candidates to replace him are senior-to-be
Sam Rogers, who played in all 11 games and had 19 tackles, and sophomore
Kerry Hicks, who played in nine games and had 10 tackles.

size: 6' 4", 285#

	Tackles	Sacks	All-Big 8	All-American
1991	78	 7	1st team
1992	93	10.5	1st team	3rd team (Football News)

In '92, Renfro had 16 QB pressures, 2 interceptions (1 returned for a
TD), 1 fumble recovery, and 1 forced fumble.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Alabama Schedule
Organization: ^$
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:32:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.170528.25888@b11.b11.ingr.com> gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley) writes:
>On this mornings radio program they gave Alabama's 1993 football
>schedule. 
>
>Tulane
>Vandy
>Arkansas
>La. Tech
>South Car.
>Tenn.
>Miss.
>S. Miss
>LSU
>Miss St.
>Auburn
>
>Except for being re-ordered it is the same as 1992. What happened to
>the rotation of SEC games? I thought bama would replace So. Car with
>another SEC east team - Fl or Ga or Ky?? What gives?

 Your one `rotator' is replaced every 2 years- after a home and home.

>
>Roll Tide!
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A PAC-10 fan in depression
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:07:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1993Jan2.070210.23334@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>Well, the UW loss in the Rose Bowl capped off a disappointing bowl week for
>the PAC-10, which went 2-4 in the post-season games.  Stanford was the only
>team to play a really impressive game, defeating Penn State soundly.  Tuesday
>night set the tone for the week as the Cougs barely avoided an embarrassing
>loss (or tie) to Utah, and USC was crushed by Fresno State (although I have
>to say that I was kind of glad to see this one, after hearing about the 
>comments made by USC players and coaches before the game).  Then on Thursday,
>Oregon can't hold a 19 point lead against Wake Forest, and Baylor pulls the
>upset of UA.  The Stanford win today did little to lift my spirits, and then
>the Rose Bowl cost me another ten bucks as the Dawgs give up 38 to Michigan.

Yes, I was bummed out too, as a Pac10'er.  But, as a WSU Cougar fan I must
think that UCLA's horrible season, USC's 3-8 last year and humiliating
finish and staff turnover this year, and UW's losing to Michigan has
got to help the Cougars recruit in California.

It is good go see USC suffer, too.  I'm not the vindictive type;
I even hope the Huskies win when it doesn't directly affect the
Cougars.  However, I really like USC to get hosed all the time,
save perhaps against Notre Dame.  They and their alumni are *so* arrogant.
I remember going to the WSU game at USC this year.  The Cougars
had a decent chance to win with about 3:00 left, until they
made a mistake and kicked off to Mr. Conway.  After the game I
read that a USC player said within earshot of the Cougars,
``What did they expect, they played USC?''  And their instant
replay in the stadium did not play about half of the good WSU
plays (but all of the USC ones) and played none of the about
four controversial calls that went USC's way.
--
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Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:04:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.193228.1929@ra.msstate.edu>
wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
> I was curious as to how many SEC fans such as myself pulled
> for Miami to beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?  Why?  Because
> if you've every been to a game with Alabama fans, you would
> know they act in person just like the ones woofing about
> this year's Sugar Bowl win.
> Any other SEC fans who turned Miami fans for a day?

Every team has some bad fans, and for most teams these fans are a small
minority.  We tend to remember the few obnoxious loudmouths, because
they make such a strong (and bad) impression.  We tend to forget the
fans who congratulate us for a good game, or wish us better luck next
year, or the thousands who politely leave the stadium without offending
anybody.  I always try to be in the latter category.

Since you focused on Bama, I'll focus on Mississippi State.  I've been
offended by the behavior of some MSU fans, but I've also had polite
conversation and shared tailgate barbeque with others.  (Maybe they were
just being nice so they could eat free!  :-) We joined in some friendly
teasing and eventually agreed that "Ol' Miss Sucks".  :-)  My mentor and
several of my friends are MSU fans.  I'm sure that for every MSU fan
hurling insults at Bama, there are at least 1000 polite MSU fans.

Regarding SEC fans cheering for Miami, I fail to understand your logic.
I always support other SEC teams when they play non-SEC teams.  It seems
logical to want the SEC to have a good record against non-SEC teams.
Otherwise, winning the conference championship doesn't mean much.  Look
at how Texas A&M was dogged all year by claims that the SWC was weak.
Do we want that for the SEC?  When deciding which team to cheer for, my
family always applied the following algorithm.  (Yes, we actually
programmed in ANSI C! :-)

TeamId SelectTeam(TeamId team1, TeamId team2)
{
  TeamId id;

  srand(1);
  if ( (team1 == Bama) || (team2 == Bama) ) {
    id = Bama;
  }
  else if ( IsMemberSEC(team1) ) {
    if ( IsMemberSEC(team2) ) {
      id = (rand() & 1) ? team1 : team2;
    }
    else {
      id = team1;
    }
  }
  else if ( IsMemberSEC(team2) ) {
    id = team2;
  }
  else if ( IsSouthern(team1) ) {
    if ( IsSouthern(team2) ) {
      id = (rand() & 1) ? team1 : team2;
    }
    else {
      id = team2;
    }
  }
  else if ( IsSouthern(team2) ) {
    id = team2;
  }
  else {
    /* only Yankee teams playing, not worth watching. :-) */
    id = NullTeamId;
  }
  return (id);
}

-- 
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Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Big East Review: VIRGINIA TECH
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:22:37 GMT

Here it is gang.  The one you've been waiting for.  And you
didn't have to wait long since I started at the bottom.
For your review, I bring you the 1992 Virginia Tech Hokies!



Virginia Tech: THE HOKIE HORROR SHOW

In yet another "rebuilding year" the Hokies of Virginia Tech
agonized their way through 1992 by self destructing in the 
fourth quarter most of the time.  You could see it in their
faces (literally).  Up by a couple of points, late in the 
game, they have the ball.  Look at the faces of the linemen,
the running backs, the quarterback, the head coach.  Each
has the same three-and-punt look.  The defense comes on
the field; look at the faces of the linemen, the line backers,
the secondary -- especially the secondary.  They have that
damn-we're-going-to-get-burnt look...  better layoff...don't
get a penalty...hope the receiver drops the ball.  TOUCHDOWN.


On the bright side:

1.  A tie with a good NC State team.

2.  Close losses may show they really are "only a step away."
(Like Boston College showed us last year.)

3.  Development of a conference identification should help this 
program.  Announcers at the VT/RU game commented as to the
size of the crowd cheering the Hokies in Rutgers Stadium.

4.  Junior Tyronne Drakeford showed us he is one hell of a cornerback.


On the dull side:

1.  Tech ended the season on an 8-game winless streak to finish 2-8-1.
Their last victory of the season was on September 19.

2.  No killer instinct, at all.  Coach Frank Beamer must change the
"we're going to blow this game" attitude that is instilled in the players
and the fans.  Five of their losses were by 4 points or less (a total of
only 12 points); plus a tie to NC State.  In all but one of these games
they were leading in the last few minutes.  

3.  Most of Beamer's assistants were fired.  I don't see how that will
help this year's recruiting effort.

Beamer has brought respect to the program and now must bring in some wins.
The previous regime (under Bill "Cheater" Dooley) brought in wins and NCAA
sanctions.  It's been a long time since the Hokies have had better than a
mediocre season.


                1992*    1991*   1990*   1989*   1988*   1987*   1986
Virginia Tech   2-8-1    5-6     6-5     6-4-1   3-8     2-9    10-1-1 

*  The Frank Beamer years, 24-40-2.

-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:56:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>[deleted]
>
>tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)

most of this post was sour grapes but i shrugged it off.  however . . .

>There is no doubt about it, they way to beat Miami is to force them to
>commit a lot of turnovers. 

guess you weren't watching very closely, tony.  the way to beat miami
is to TAKE THE FOOTBALL OUT OF THEIR HANDS, not "force them to commit".
another good way is to RATTLE THE QUARTERBACK SO HE SEES ONLY A BLUR.

a big HAHAHAHA to all the sour-grape blowhards, especially the guy who
still thinks miami is the better team.  geez, how can he walk on two feet?

ok
dpm
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              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:10:43 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

I wrote:
}
}>But as long as we are speculating about past bowl matchups, we might
}>as well note that if the bowl coalition worked like it ought to
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
}>then Miami would not have been in the Orange Bowl in '83 either,
}>since it should have been Nebraska vs. Texas for the championship.
}>Unfortunately the powers that be seem reticent to correct this problem.

jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) wrote:
}
}  Actually, Mark unfortunately is reticent to find out how the coalition
}  works. It would not be Texas in the Orange Bowl because as the SWC rep
}  they are forced to stay in the Cotton. That holds true for each of the
}  big three coalition bowls and their committed conferences.

Gee, maybe they should start requiring "reading" as a subject of
study at Miami.  It couldn't hurt.

}  I'd sure like to see any kind of proof that Miami was invited to the
}  Sugar Bowl after the 1991 season - it just didn't happen.

Fine, so you live in the Blowhard Universe, and in this universe
Notre Dame would have been invited to the Sugar Bowl this 
year rather than #1 Miami.  Whether you take this point of
view or mine, the #1 vs. #2 matchup still wouldn't have happened
this year without the bowl coalition.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
From: horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bama National Champs!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:10:45 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan) writes:

>ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>>Even though Alabama played great defense, IMHO, the main reason for those
>>interceptions was Torretta.  It was a combination of good defense and bad
>>offense.
>>-- 
>I agree, and this game just shows the Gino is not the quarterback that the 
>press thought he was.  Against good defenses he does not play well.  One 
>of the things the Gino-lovers said was that he rarely through interceptions
>from the 3 1st half ints. against Florida and the Sugar bowl performance	I'd say he throws quit a few if you put a little pressure on him.  Imagine
                   excuse my screw up, I meant Syracuse, not Florida
>what he will do in the pro's (if anyone takes him) with Derrick Thomas
>in his face.


>--

>Mark Horan --
>horan@cse.unl.edu      
>ianr053@unlvm
--

Mark Horan --
horan@cse.unl.edu      
ianr053@unlvm
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From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: ~~~~~~~ A NEW POLL TO DETERMINE #1 (JLI POLL) ~~~~~~~ 
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 19:13:13 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1993Jan3.190916.25616@fcom.cc.utah.edu> jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
>
>	There is only one #1 this year after Jan. 1.   My proposal works
>when there are two #1, that is, one in AP Poll and one in CNN/USA TODAY Poll.
>When this happens, here is the solution: add the points in two polls and make
>a new poll.  Let's call it JLI POLL.  Here is an example:

From your prediction on Miami/Alabama and Penn State/Stanford games I can more or
less judge how much your rules worth. Just apply your rule to last year's poll 
results and you'll get flamed to ashes.  

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  ??    ??       ??               T. J. FAN, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
  ??    ?? ????? ??
  ??    ????   ????    ??         - A Trojan Fan (Used to be)
   ?????? ????    ??????          - and the ND hater (Probably no more)
             ????
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