HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Why have 2 throttle cables?
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:32:02 GMT

In article <l6pe28INNr05@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, dlady@duncan.cs.utk.edu (Don Lady) writes:
> |> US Department of Transportation (DOT) Regulations that motorcycles have
> |> a positive throttle return.
> -- 
> Then why doesn't a Yamaha Venture Royale have one?

Harleys have them because of US DOT regulations.  The Yamaha may not
have them because they weasled past the law (like many car companies
shipping trucks in as cars with rear seats and then removing the seats,
etc.) or because the engine is smaller.

The Mikuni Carb Installation manual for Harleys says the extra cable is
required because if dirt binds the slide, the large intake vacuum may
prevent the throttle from closing.

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cages suck (women cagers)
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> The number of people who assert they drive better than average is
-> amazing.  Just curious, has anyone ever known any person to say, "I
-> drive worse than the average person?"  Half of us do, you know...

 I got my motorcycle license at age 13.  (Bill Clinton "fixed" that a
few years ago, now it's 16).  I got a car license at 16, but in those 3
intervening years, I put over 20,000 miles on three different machines,
and still used the motorcycle as primary transportation after getting
the Mustang.  Except for one three-year stretch, I've *always* depended
on a motorcycle as primary (often only) transportation.

 I've raced SCCA autocross for ten years, but my reflex reactions are
all wired to "motorcycle" and not "automobile."  Took me years to break
the habit of ripping off the turn signal lever and stomping the gas
pedal when some wipe ran a stop sign in front of me.  Very hard on turn
signals and nerves.

 Three months ago I sold my D/SP Capri, which was radically modified -
relocated suspension pickups, altered steering geometry, etc.  The Capri
was set up for racing, pure and simple, and was quite "nervous" on the
road, particularly with 0-0-0 alignment.  Now I'm driving a 1960
Chevolet Bel Air, with negligible braking capacity and all the evasive
capability of a dump truck on a wet clay bank.  Fuck, I don't worry
about traffic any more.  It doesn't stop or turn worth shit, so why get
all uptight?

 I'm probably a below-average driver.  So there!

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can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
(Nazareth)               XJ900 TURBO at 15psi          DoD# 978  KotFAQ
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From: stets@stets.novalis.public.sub.org (Thomas Stets)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Harley prices
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 15:53:04 GMT
Organization: Just me.

I'm considering to buy a Harley. The problem is: here in Germany
they're too expensive.

Some Examples: 1200 Sportster, 3 years old, 10000 mls, about $10000
               Springer Softail, 1 year, 1500 mls, about $18000
(using a $/DM exchange-rate of 1$ = 1.50DM)

So I thought maybe it's a good idea just to make a trip to the US,
have a nice 2-week vacation, try to find a decent Harley in that time,
ship it back to good ol' Germany and (that's the hardest part)
try to get it thru technial inspection (TUEV).

But before I continue with my plans I'd like to know what I have to
pay for a Harley over there. A lot of people tell me that the prices are
low, and quite a few seem to make good money by buying used motorcyles
in the US and selling them here. But I need some more facts.

So if anyone in the US can give me an estimation what I'd have to
pay for a used 1200 Sportster, a Fat Boy or a Springer Softail,
please send me a mail.

  Thanks in advance

 Thomas Stets

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From: macro@cup.hp.com (Patrick MacRoberts)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Early 80's Ducati 900SS (was: Re: Ducati for sale)
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:07:10 GMT
	<4213@equinox.unr.edu> <1992Jul28.222622.29393@emr1.emr.ca>
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA

%   [ a little judicious editing]

[ a little more judicious editing ]

%>No way, man.  I have never heard of a Ducati 900SS from that time
%>period.  If they did, they must not have sold very many, 'cause
%>I've never seen one.
% 
%By this definition, a great many bikes must not exist.

Hook...

%The 1980 900SS greatly resembles it's smaller relative pictured in PANTAH.GIF.

Line...

% But it looks _very_ nice.

Sinker...

%> DUCATI 900SS  BMW K100RS                 
%  ------------
% 
%The 1980 or the 1990 model ? :-)

Boat...

-Patrick
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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: college slang[x-posted from alt.folklore.college]
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:26:11 GMT

In article <darknite.712484251@camelot> darknite@camelot.bradley.edu (John S. Novak III) writes:
>
>The word for the day is 'squid'.
>A squid is someone who spends excessive amounts of time playing
>with a computer, especially a communication network with local
>e-mail and local bulletain boards, like some universities have.
>
>Squids typically have their own sub-language of slang.
>
>Someone with net-access in their room who leaves the terminal
>logged in while engaging in some other activity (studying,
>reading, working, eating) just on the off-chance that they get
>some e-mail is a squid.
>
>Someone who plays with comm networks to the extent of sacrificing
>needed study time, on a regular basis, is a squid.
>
>A subclass of squids are 'squid-meisters' who are people who get
>up early to log in and answer their mail and read news, go to
>class with their room terminal still logged in, then stop in the
>computer lab to log in again and read mail a few hours later.
>
>Squid-meisters have been known to miss verbal jokes because of
>the absence of smiley symbols.
>
>'Squid' can also be a verb.  "Looks like you were squidding when
>you should have been studying!"
Not!
-Ekr


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From: howie@che.udel.edu (Ian Howie)
Subject: Re: FJ1200; did they make filter changes difficult ON PURPOSE?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:00:00 GMT

In article <14nifdINNfm9@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes...> 
>	Having just attempted my first oil change on my FJ1200, 
>	I gotta ask; did they make changing the oil filter that 
>	hard ON PURPOSE? =B^)

Probably 

>	but NO...), I managed to spill oil ALL over the place when I
>	took the thing-that-hold-the-oil-filter off. It was almost

Did ya' remember to undo the small bolt in the front of the cover at the
bottom to drain out some of the oil trapped in the housing??

>	SO this morning, I rolled the bike out, started it it up, and
>	OIL SQUIRTED ALL OVER THE PLACE from the oil-filter-thingy, at

 There is a thin wiring harness which runs from the left crank cover and into
the area where the oil filter housing bolts on. Sounds like you have managed
to pinch the wiring harness between the filter housing and the machined
surfaces the large o-ring seals against. I bet you managed to blow about a 
quart out on the ground with only five or six seconds of run time. I know
cause I did the same thing a coupla' weeks ago. A whole quart of Mobil 1
all over Steve Andersen's driveway. Oh well, it coulda' been worse. I didn't
have to explain the mess to Steve's wife......8-) 8-) 8-).

*****************************************************************************
Ian Howie           "Life is too short to drink bad coffee........"
(302) 292-8598   
1990 FJ1200                                        howie@oscar.ccm.udel.edu     
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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Braking Secrets of the Pros Revealed
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:56:08 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Thursday July 30 1992 10:44, Dances With Bikers wrote to All:

 DWB> Whoah! Hold on there a second. This "CHP solution" was a second hand
 DWB> claim of what the CHP says, in a 20 year old book. This "lock the rear
 DWB> brake to stop" is the same kind of bullshit that is on some state
 DWB> driver's license tests. That someone got it in print does not make it
 DWB> correct.

Well, maybe, maybe not. When I took the ERC last year, they showed a film
from Canada (done by the Mounties) where they PROVED that locking up all
four in a car with a violent, sudden stomp on the brake pedal would stop
a car faster than even well-modulated (non-ABS) braking in city-traffic
situations. Yes, Virginia, they locked 'em up and kept them locked and
knocked 10 feet off the best distance anyone could do with modulation.

Given your comments about friction, wouldn't a locked (and therefore sliding)
rear tire coupled with maximum front braking stop faster than just maximum
front braking? Seems to me if rear coefficient of friction is A, and front
is B, a locked rear means A > 0, a rolling rear (no braking) is A = 0 (for
all intents), so which A + B is greatest? It would seem the question is, as
A increases, does B decrease? I would suggest that is a matter of suspension
and chassis tuning, not a hard and fast rule.

No, this is not how its done racing. But for the panic stop common in city
riding (speed less than 45 mph), allowable stopping distance VERY short,
wouldn't you want A + B as large as possible?

John

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From: sievertl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lisa Sieverts)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:48:18 GMT
Subject: Re: 86, Yamaha RADIAN, 600 v/s 84, Nighthawk 650 Recommendations
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Well, I tried to email this twice and couldn't make it, so here
it goes to the world:





/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / vijay@tcnts2.tcs.com (Vijay Manwani) /  9:21 am  Jul 24, 1992 /



I bought my 86 Radian about 4 months ago, with 18000 miles for $1800.
It's been a good bike.  I've put 8,000 more miles on it.  Done all kinds of 
roads, from interstates to very tight twisties.  It's a good UJM 
(Universal Japanese Motorcycle), but it's nothing special.  
Touring is no problem, seat is exceptionally comfortable.  I had
trouble finding saddlebags to fit it, because of the placement 
of the rear turn signals, so use a tank bag and a seat bag instead.

I think $1800 with the extra stuff is a good deal.

Radians do have a nasty tendancy to leak oil from the front corner of
the valve cover.  Run your finger along the valve cover edge to see
if yours is doing this.  It's mostly a cosmetic  problem, as not
much oil actually gets out, but it can be annoying, especially
after a long ride when you discover all the oil droplets staining your
trousers.

I take it to a mechanic to do the valves.  Other stuff, like chain
adjust, is pretty easy.

and BTW, the radian weighs 434 lbs with full gas tank, not 350 lbs.
It's a well-balanced bike, tho.

Lisa


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DoD#511
                          '86 Yamaha Radian 600

Disc claimer:  "Hey, that's my rotor!"
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From: brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Triumph Value
Summary: GARAGE ORNAMENT???  Grrrrr!!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:13:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Jul20.205354.216@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.031747.18101@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie) writes:
> 
> > Ok - as described with a new paint job (including striping) is this
> > bike worth $1,000?
> 
> depends on if you're shopping for transportation or a garage
> ornament.
> 
> -- laurie

	Garage ornament?  Garage ornament?  Now you've done it, Laurie.
	C'mon, where's the smilie?  Surely a person with righteous
	anti-bigot sensibilites like yourself isn't about maligning a
	motorcycle because it is old and British.  (I mean, how is
	Bob Palin going to feel?)  Remember that it was an old British
	motorcycle that went *over* Rollins Pass while you were going *around*.
	Remember?

	Ob-serious:  the turnip in question is probably worth more with
	original paint job than repainted, unless the original paint is
	truly trashed.  If the current paint is not original, it's probably
	still worth the $700-$1000, and mechanically excellent, it might
	go anywhere between $1000-$1500.  Six years ago a "showroom" '78
	Bonny would draw $1200, and the market has been going up for Triumphs
	and has been going *crazy* for Nortons.  My '75 Commando, with non-stock
	diy paint-job, mechanically weak, sold two years ago in three days
	for $1700 to an investor from Austria.  If repainting is necessary,
	go for the original scheme, and have it professionally done.

	Ob-nastycrack: don't listen to anybody in California about what
	things are worth (motorcycles or real-estate).  The State of California,
	and most of its residents, are bankrupt; the only ones who have
	any money to spend on things like motorcycles are the lawyers
	who are presiding over the demise of that once-great state,
	and the lawyers are all buying Miatas, Porches, and LLamaghinis.

	Hope you enjoy your British bike; they're machines to love and
	take pride in.  Like Harleys, BMW's and Ducatis.

	IMHO.

-- 
    66
     >
     ^ .................. brucer " VOTE FOR ROSS PER... Oh shit!! " (DoD #0002)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Harley riders waved !!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:34:22 GMT
Summary: Not your average tourist attraction

In article <1992Jul27.160922.3728@balrog.dseg.ti.com>, keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.195435.16048@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul24.182620.16771@balrog.dseg.ti.com>, keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
> >
> >Did you visit the Bob Pasker Memorial R100G/S Hill Climb Crater?
> >
> No, didn't know it existed and didn't see any hiway signs about it.  Is it in
> the AAA tourguide?
> 

Probably not.  Actually, we of the DoD have tried to keep this one
under our lids, so to speak, to protect motorcyclists everywhere 
from the bad PR sure to follow such a spectacular yet poignant debacle.  

This particular memorial is enshrined more in our memories than by
any actual physical evidence, although future generations of 
archaeologists will doubtless ponder the occasional black and yellow
shards of plastic and metal with awe and wonder.

I've always hoped someone who witnessed the event itself would give
us a blow-by-blow (:-)) account.  Perhaps the pain has receded
sufficiently by now for that to happen.

Then again, perhaps not.

:-)
Chuck "Runaway Chuck Ramp" Rogers
DoD #0003
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cops show- Motorcycle wreck
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:16:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Jul21.150447.25833@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
> I wasn't paying attention like I should have, and an illegally parked
> car partially obstructed my view of the other moving car.  The accident
> should not have happened.)
> --
> Jonathan E. Quist

Should my accident have happened?  How can you tell?  Do you have a
magic 8-ball?

Kevin Kretz
DoD#3278
From: jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The First Annual DoD Right Coast Ride comes to pass...
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:15:49 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: egreen@East.Sun.COM's message of 27 Jul 92 16:27:03 GMT


In article <15184nINNs3u@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>   So, did the SO give you as hard a time as Bubba and Joe-Bob?
>
>   :^)


The SO ominously said, "You know, this won't be the last time..." 

Oh yeah, that's right, his name was Joe-Bob -- I couldn't remember
what Bubba's cousin-brother-step-father's name was...

Stay tuned for "Bubba makes Jon Polito whittle a fence..."

Jon Polito (KotBF - Keeper of the Broken Fence, KotWBMW - :-( )
"$50 for 2 turn signals!!!"
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tmolina@csource.oz.au (Tony Molina)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Bike artists wanted!
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 00:26:07 +1000

Howdy from OZ!

After agonising over a decision to sell and upgrade from my 1984 Honda VF1000
FE for some months, I've decided to hang on to it (it's a great bike) and
invest in restoring its badly weathered paint work.

Complete re-spray quotes have ranged from $900 - $1200. The reason for the
high figures is the VF's original Candy Colour paint work which apparently
is very expensive to supply and apply. The original Honda decal sets are also
a #$%#! rip-off. A non-original (ie custom) paint job will only (?) cost
about $750 so I've decided to be a bit daring and ignore any re-sale
considerations and have the thing painted "a bit differently".

Basically I need a few ideas from people on what might look good on this
model bike. I have a idea that a basic polar white with bright blue and red
splashes could look good but I'm not sure. I prefer to keep to bright light
colours for safety reasons so basic black designs are out  :-)

If anybody has seen (or better yet, own) Honda VF1000's which look good
without their standard Honda paint job I'd love to hear from you!!
Photos would be great but I realise that there is a lot of ocean between you
and us Downunder  :-)


Cheers!,

= Tony =
(Melbourne, Australia)



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From: macro@cup.hp.com (Patrick MacRoberts)
Subject: Re: Blistered Buns: Why Lance Holst is a Jerk
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:15:03 GMT
	<1992Jul21.212656.6317@javelin.sim.es.com>
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA


%   BTW, anyone know what he looks like?

Yeah.  He's the one that looks like a Jerk.

-Patrick
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: THANKS Ed
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:30:49 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster) writes:
>So, Ed, if he doesn't qualify, who's the Right Coast Rider to get
>the title?

egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed.Green) writes:
>Not sure.  I figure it's a toss up between Jack & Jackie (NH), or Jim &
>Lou (FL).  I'll have to check my atlas for actual distances.

Is this straight line, one way or round trip.  It took me 1400 miles
to get to the RCR, but only 470 miles to get home.  Something told me
to I should turn right instead of left when I left home...

My ride report from the RCR (and the 4th Annual Minibike Spectacular
at the Sturdevant Ranch & Raceway and other foolishness from 10 days
on the road) to follow after I repair/replace the hot water heater
that sprung a leak while I was gone...  ;^(

Mr. Bill
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From: odin@cats.ucsc.edu (Jon Granrose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: PRe: pair of Gloves (Review)
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:07:34 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Committee for Open Access Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


erika@znext.uucp (erik astrup) writes:

>jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito) writes:
>better. I use em for racing and commuting. They are by far the best gloves
>I have ever owned. Honda dealerships are now carrying them as well, they
>get them from Helimot, the exclusive distributor. 

Yeah, I just got my Held 275's last Saturday.  These gloves are awesome.
I've already recommended them to two of my friends who were looking for
gloves.  They're more expensive than most but the feel is well worth it.
Especially compared to those shitty TourMaster gloves I used to have.

>	Helmut is quite a salesman I must tell you. I have met him a few
>times and my girlfriend bought a set of racing leathers from him. Three
>hours of personal service. The kind of service this country hasd long
>since forgotten about. 

Yeah, I talked to Helmut for a bit.  He was really cool.  I bought the
gloves from the woman at the counter (Linda?) and she was just as nice.
It was a very refreshing experience after dealing with the only Honda
shop in Santa Cruz (ugh!).  I got a kick out of all the autographed photos
with things like "The motorcycle business could use more people like
Helmut", etc.  I know where I'm going when I decide to get full leathers or
new boots.


Jon
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