HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: una@phy.duke.edu (Una Smith)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Fairchild Tropical Garden
Summary: NY Times article on Hurricane Andrew's effects
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:39:55 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.

There was a brief mention of the Fairchild Tropical Garden in
the New York Times newspaper over the weekend, and a much longer
article (approx 75 in^2 or 470 cm^2) by Anne Raver in the Tuesday
paper (Sept. 8, p. D13).  Here are some extracts from that article:

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"Scientists from all over the world are converging on the Fairchild
Tropical Garden, in the wake of Hurricane Andrew, which destroyed
75 percent of the garden's 5,000 species.  Before the storm, it held
the world's largest collection of palms and cycads [...].

Botanists and arborists from more than a dozen botanical centers,
including the New York Botanical Garden and the Royal Botanic Garden
at Kew [...] are racing to save the few plants that remain.  They are
also there to gather material from damaged roots and growing tips, 
bark and fallen fruit.  [...]  "We're in a massive rescue operation,
not only of the trees, but of the information that's contained in
these plants," said Director William Klein, who helped rally scientific
forces.  [...]  Representatives from the Morris Arboretum in Philadelphia,
the Centre National de Recherche Scientifique in France, the Missouri
Botanical Garden in St. Louis, Mounts Botanical Garden and Gemini
Botanical Garden, both in Palm Beach [Florida], and half a dozen
other gardens are also part of the rescue effort.

[According to] Don Evans, the staff horticulturist, [...] "We
probably had 700 species of palms, but most are horizontal now."
[...] "We'll try to stand some of them up and get fungicides on the
growing tips so that disease won't set in."  [...] It won't be clear
for years just what the long-term effects of the storm are, said
Dr. Klein.  "In some cases, the roots of all these plants are very
heavily disturbed, and these disturbances operate as entry points
for disease -- so we'll be losing trees for years."

To shed light on how palms and other monocots grow, the garden's
anatomist, Dr. Jack Fisher, has been collecting samples of growing
tips and roots from the plants that can not be saved.  [Scientists
and horticulturalists elsewhere have begun to collect plants for the
garden;  volunteers have donated time and equipment, including a
crane, to set up fallen trees;  and logs will be harvested from
fallen trees that can't be saved.]

The garden has set up two funds, the Fairchild Restoration Fund,
for the garden itself, and the Fairchild Relief Fund, to help staff
members who lost their homes in the storm.  The address for both is

                   The Fairchild Tropical Garden
                   10901 Old Cutler Road
                   Coral Gables, Florida  33156


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Una Smith   una@phy.duke.edu    Department of Biology
                                Yale University
                                New Haven, CT  06511-7444
From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: poppies and pot
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:22:48 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620

In article <1992Sep15.131806.9024@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> CAMPBELL@FRCICT81.EARN writes:
>Fellow plantbionetters,
> 
>Much as I would like to discuss the virtues of American Fighter Jets
>(no offence Toby, I noticed that even you were reluctant to pursue thek
>subject), 

But not reluctant to indicate that sometimes he thinks of trees, or
perhaps tree improvement/modification, in terms of recreational
kit-airplanes.

By bringing an "aviation" background to Forestry, he has a different
or unique perspective....and might catch some of his colleagues off
guard every once in a while.  :^)

> .....I saw something which ran through bionet-plants the other day
>which was *plant* related and to which someone (from a Crop Science Dept.,
>I believe)  

So far, I'm the only one signaturing from a crop sci dept.

>....... posted some mis-information as a reply.  Given that this is
>a forum for plant biology, perhaps the original post should be replied to
>with a rectified response.

Again, it's a matter of perspective:  you think you answered a plant
biology question, but I think I answered a *drug* question, appropriatety. 

You don't have to refer to me obliquely: I put my signature on my
posts and may be quoted for I say.  :^)

> 
>Now plantbionetters, back to your regularly scheduled rhetoric...
> 
>Malcolm

Folks,

One way to solve the rhetoric or content disatisfaction problem is quite
simple: initiate and lead a discussion thread.  Haven't got the time?
A bit tongue tied?  Your boss won't let you offer an opinion in public?
Haven't the interest to indulge in some a low level of intellectual
activety?  Never took a public stand every in your life?  

I've got a little list...a list of excuses that will never be missed,
no, never be missed.  :^)

Whether I devote 5% or 50% of a post to F4s, I'm certainly not stepping
on the turbulent flow of PLANT BIOLOGY DISCUSSION. Well, why hasn't
there been a torrent of PLANY BIOLOGY DISCUSSION threads.  Is this such
a dead head research area that there's nothing to discuss?  Or do all of
you think that your thinking is sooo unique that your highly original ideas
will be ripped off?  ;^)

Steve 
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From: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Poppy seed and Poppy plant
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:40:01 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92811210642.MIN-LTUAa00157.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: A friend of mine tells me that the poppy seed that
: we find on some bread is the same as the seed for the
: poppy plant that they make marijuana from. 
: 
: Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Sorry, I didn't quite get the scientific point of your question?

You get opium from poppy plants, but the pleasure of LOOKING at a field
of red poppies (Papaver rhoeas) is better for you.

Marijuana (as police officers say) is the dried leaves of Indian hemp
(Cannabis sativa) which is still illegal in some countries =:-) 

Your friend has been eating too much bird seed - alt.drugs would be
more appropriate for this topic, unless you have a new theory about
disease resistance and cannabinol?

	Tony.
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Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Poppy seed and Poppy plant
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:20:10 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

A friend of mine tells me that the poppy seed that
we find on some bread is the same as the seed for the
poppy plant that they make marijuana from. 

Can anyone confirm or deny this?


-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
From: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Maize Handbook
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:21:49 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <9284175804.MIN-LJAAa20156.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: On the subject of new publications, Springer-Verlag has scheduled
: release of "The Maize Handbook" for this Fall.  Their publicity
: description:

Ricardo, we are using the maize internode as a model system to investigate
cellwall biogenisis in relation to degradability in the rumen.  Does the
new book discuss issues such as the chemical composition and anatomy of
different cell lines ?

	Tony.
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Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
Newsgroups: bionet.plants,sci.econ
From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: INFORMATION-BASED FARMING
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:00:32 GMT
Keywords: telecommunications competitive bar code scanners farming

In article <1992Sep11.183716.1512@u.washington.edu> toby@milton.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw) writes:
			.
			.
			.
>I'm afraid I don't understand how two farmers, one with small acreage
>and one with large, paying the same price for the same seed and
>capable of delivering the same herbicide, differentially benefit
>from genetically modified seed.  If the farmer is too poor to
>afford the up-front cost of the seed/herbicide, then I can see
>a differential benefit.  Along these lines, should we ban tractors because
>they are expensive and give the large farmer higher returns than someone
>who uses a mule to plow and a hoe to cultivate?  If "Social Justice"
			.
			.
			.
Without trivializing at all the topical questions
you raise, please note that the historical process
of mechanization does *not* necessarily procede in
the direction you imply here.  A number of studies
(none of which I now have handy) of US operations
of the early 20th century concluded that tractors
gained ascendancy on small farms first; in crude
terms, mechanical power is more fungible, and re-
quires less (!) specialized care.  Teams of horses
held out longest on farms with multiple employees,
and of course where there were "sentimental" reasons.
I think it would surprise you even today how expensive
a good draft ox is, compared to the delivered price of
a small mechanized platform.

Related, but distinct, question:  do winners, or losers,
adopt new technologies?  When the <<coureurs de bois>>
began offering hilarious prices for beaver pelts, was it
chiefs or the low-status natives who took them up?  Which
software engineers learn object-oriented design first?
Are the millionaires of Hong Kong the outcasts, or over-
achievers, of the mainland?  Which corn-and-bean growers
in Indiana adopted minimum-till first?  I've met plenty
of people who think they know the answers to these
questions, reasoning from first principles, but I haven't
yet seen a convincing, a-situational, theoretical framework 
sufficient to these topics.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Subject: Building a "kill file" script
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:10:06 GMT

>From @ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu:RVS22@JPNAIST.BITNET  Sun Sep 13 06:28:32 1992
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>To: samodena@csemail(S. A. Modena)

>From: "RVS22@JPNAIST ANDREAS,TSUKUBA/JAPA" <RVS22%JPNAIST.BITNET>
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Subject: Re: Re: Herbicide rates, germplasms (was information based farming)
>Status: RO

>SAMODENA YOUR MESSEGES ARE CONTAMINATING MY MAIL BOX.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>HOW TO GET RID OF YOU?
            ^^^
>ADP

Though this arrived as email, I'll republish it under the guidelines I
sent out last week about receiving "personal" email from twerps that I
don't know. 

As to the solution, Ninja, you're stuck.  You are using BITNET, so I guess
it might be difficult to build a shell script to act as a "kill file"
previewer.  Also, I guess the usual BITNET mail editors are rather limited
so you are probably having trouble eliminating my "CONTAMINATING" posts.

Guess, really, there is just one last chance to eliminate your sensitive
reaction to my CONTAMINATING mail: unsubscribe.  :^)

Have a nice one!  ;^)
Steve
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Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Subject: ASA presentation
Organization: Crop Science Dept., NCSU, Raleigh, NC 27695-7620
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:03:58 GMT

"HERB(r) TOOLKIT: Software to Customize HERB to Regional Requirements
   without Reprogramming or Recompiling"
S.A. Modena, H.D. Coble and G.G. Wilkerson, North Carolina State Univ.

"HERB is decision aid software for MS-DOS computers supporting weed
management using postemergence herbicides.  The current version is
suited to North Carolina.  We are liciensing the HERB TOOLKIT to 
appropriate experts who will create and distribute regionalized versions
of HERB.  The TOOLKIT software allows a non-programmer to modify and
customize supporting database values for weed selection, weed
competitive indices, available herbicides and tank mixtures, herbicide
efficacies, loss function coefficients and also the logo and introductory
screens.  We will demonstrate software customization that requires no 
knowledge of programming or source code recompilation."

Taken from: AGROMONY ABSTRACTS
	    1992 Annual Meetings
	    American Society of Agronomy
            Crop Science Society of America
            Soil Science Society of America
            Clay Minerals Society

This Software Scene "poster session/computer demo" will be on November 3rd
from 8:30 to 11:00 a.m. in the Minneapolis Convention Center.

Come visit.

Anyone else making a presentation at the ASA mettings?

Steve
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Newsgroups: bionet.plants
From: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.plants
Subject: Re: INFORMATION-BASED FARMING
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:31:47 GMT
Reply-To: ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: plantbio@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92811190305.MIN-LRTAa00157.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: [...]
: I like the idea of using bionet for these deeper debates, rather than always
: focusing on narrow methodological questions.  Which is not to say that the
: facutal question/answer function is not valuable too.  Its just that I've been
: at so many seminars where all of the questions were about "How?" and no one
: ever asked "Why?" or Where will this lead?"

I agree, and I think that we can do more than Q&A sessions or
expositions of the instability of American fighter aircraft.

I believe that a knowledge of the factors involved in the physiological
responses of plants to stress is fundamental to understanding the
effects of selection pressures such as drought tolerance or resistance
to disease.

At least one farmer told me he thought that plants should just be grown
"as they were created" and did not take kindly to my pointing out that
the winter barley he was talking about was the result of human
selection presure over many centuries of cultivation.

Doesn't it make sense to try and understand why particular varieties
(or cell lines, or cultivars etc.) are successful?  The so-called green
revolution showed the arrogance of capital intensive agriculture and
the consequences of monoculture.  The lesson of this was that
genetically diverse crops such as those used in subsistence agriculture
were better suited to sustainable agriculture in marginal areas.

The scientific issue is why, the economic issue is how: let's not
confuse the issues.  In the long-term a knowledge of why will enable us
to decide how - both are important.  Perhaps a more sympathetic
understanding of the relationship between the two issues would resolve
some of the differences between supporters and detractors of the
increased use of physiology in selection criteria for plant breeding.

	Tony.
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Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry
Subject: spacing
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 03:07:14 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Some questions:

1--I have just planted 60 acres of pines and the professional planter
used spacings of 2 X 4 metres.  Why did he not use 3 X 3 m?  [he said
that was what he was taught to do at ag. college]

2--I want to interplant walnut with pines; the nuts are the cheapest
way to get plants (germination about 50% they claim), but still very
espensive. 
Can I just dig a shallow hole and pop in 2 nuts and spray the grass
to release the trees?
How about using walnuts from  the grocery shops which are  a lot
cheaper (will they germinate or might they be too old or dry?).  I
know they may be from inferior stock but I should get decent walnuts
anyway. 
What spacings should I use with the pines so that the pines will act
as a nurse and give me some tall, branchless walnuts?

3--Has anyone developed a sterile gorse?  


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Massey University Psychology
Palmerston North, New Zealand
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Networks in China ?
From: stoehr@embl-heidelberg.de
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:25:50 +0100
Organization: EMBL, European Molecular Biology Laboratory

Does anyone have any information about availability of computer networks like
Internet or Bitnet in the People's Republic of China ?

Peter Stoehr
EMBL Data Library
From: me@suzuka.u-strasbg.fr (Michel Eytan LILoL)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Re: Help! e-mail address of Southwestern U.
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:37:48 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Original-To: bionauts@uk.ac.daresbury

sorry to post to the whole list, but I got a mailer-daemon telling me:

----- Transcript of session follows -----
Connected to mailhost:
>>> RCPT To:<BMHTLAI@CCVAX.AS.EDU.TW>
<<< 554 <BMHTLAI@CCVAX.AS.EDU.TW>... Unknown domain TW
554 BMHTLAI@CCVAX.AS.EDU.TW... Service unavailable
   
----- Unsent message follows -----

netfind gives me:

MAIL FOR YIN MIN-JEA IS FORWARDED TO yin02@utsw.swmed.edu

--
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Labo. Info., Log., Lang.			T: +33 88 41 74 29
Univ. Strasbourg II				F: +33 88 41 74 40
From: WOJAN01@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: e-mail address
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:45:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet

I am trying to get an address for a Dr. Sally Nyquist at Bucknell Univ.
The last I had heard was that she was the head of a bio. dept. at 
Bucknell.  Any help in finding this address would be greatly appreciated.
From: bss2aj@surrey.ac.uk (Alan Jennings)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: no subject (file transmission)
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:05:29 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Dear netters,

	We recently submitted a paper to Virology, and have not heard from them
regarding it`s acceptance or otherwise yet!

	Despite searching the journal itself, and the letter of acknowledgement
of receipt, I cannot find anywhere the fax number to querey them as to what is
happening!

	If anyone has the fax number of Virology, or of the editor I sent it to,
Dr. Micheal Lai, or alternatively their e-mail addresses, I would be very 
grateful if you could mail it to me at:-

		bss2aj@surrey.ac.uk

	Thanks in advance,

			Alan.
I think Dr. Lai works at a University in California - sorry I havent got the
Journal to hand to be more specific!

Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: olam@radium.uio.no (Ola Myklebost)
Subject: Re: Help! e-mail address of Southwestern U.
Reply-To: olam@radium.uio.no (Ola Myklebost)
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:49:52 GMT

I use <user>@UTSW.BITNET to reach University of Texas Medical school 
(Goldstein & Brown's lab)

Ola Myklebost
University of Oslo
Norway
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:45:45 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Szudarek" <mscf+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: IIT address

******************HELP********************

I have searched every database from here to the Restaurant at the End of
the Universe but I still can't find Vaughn Young at IIT.  If anyone can
help me out or tell me where to find help, I would greatly appreciate it!

                                            thanks in advance,
                                                    Ford Prefect
From: toms@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov (Tom Schneider)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: fis
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:58:02 GMT
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

Hi!  I need to contact the folks who wrote:

@article{Ninnemann1992,
author = "O. Ninnemann
 and C. Koch
 and R. Kahmann",
title = "The {{\em E. coli fis\/}} promoter is subject
to stringent control and autoregulation",
journal = "EMBO J.",
volume = "11",
pages = "1075-1083",
year = "1992"}

They are in Berlin.  Do they have an email address
where they can be reached?

  Tom Schneider
  National Cancer Institute
  Laboratory of Mathematical Biology
  Frederick, Maryland  21702-1201
  toms@ncifcrf.gov
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