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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:13:00 GMT
From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      re: Olympic athletes
Comments: To: mbx <words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>

>Jill,
>Just think of the toll it takes on these kids who, as you said, only see
>heir parents once or twice a year.  For two years I taught a young lady who>
>as being trained for the Olympics, first by Bela Karolyi then by someone
>else when her parents disagreed with Karolyi. She was one of the most
>mixed up kids I've had, not to mention obnoxious - due mainly to      mixedbein
>p.Whether she would have exhibited those traits had she not lived and
>reathed gymnastics, I don't know.  When she injured her knee to the point>
>hat she could no longer compete she concentrated on cheerleading, which in
>our school is more like gymnastics/dance than cheerleading per se.    course,Of
>this injury also played its part in her attitude.  One difference is hat hert
>family moved from Florida to Texas so she could train with Karolyi.
> And I had noticed, as you did, how very young these girls are.
> BTW I guess you've heard/read that Karolyi is retiring.
>
>Doris

If I were a parent, and my kid had athletic talent in gymnastics,
tennis, etc., I'm not sure if I could let him/her train with one of
those coaches who feel that life is that sport (e.g. Karolyi in
gymnastics, Bolletieri (sp?) in tennis).  I think it's wonderful for
those kids to have such a feeling of accomplishment, and to become
the best, but what they give up is *so* much (except for the few who
manage to maintain a regular life, too, but they are very rare).  I
sometimes just ache inside watching these kids (and I don't even know
them); I don't think I could watch a child of mine go through it.
There's enough pressure on kids just growing up; they don't need to
deal with adult concerns, and have the weight of a country's
expectations on their shoulders, too.

Speaking of which, the press has been just awful to the athletes who
are expected to win gold, and don't.  The athletes have been very
polite about it, but I'm just waiting for one of them to scream out,
"Just leave me alone - yes, I'm disappointed, but give it a rest!"
Most of the time, the interviewer doesn't even congratulate
them on the medal they did win (or just on swimming a good
race, etc.), but starts right off with, "well, aren't you
disappointed?"  Of course they are!  What a stupid question...and how
rude and insensitive.  It seems to me that in the past, it has been
handled more gracefully.

Jill
   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:23:34 CDT
From:         Frank Peters <fwp@CC.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gopher
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In article <0095E354.0D256400.9840@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU> Anne Harwell
 <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU> says:
: Sounds like you have some very rational, non-paranoid reasons for keeping the
: archive off the net. I say you stick the tape in the back of a file cabinet or
: use it as a doorstop.

My main concern is whether there will be enough use made of the data to
justify dedicating a significant chunk of our already overtaxed
resources to making it available online.

I'll be glad to make up a tape of all of the words-l stuff and send it
off to anyone who has enough spare computing resources that such a
concern is irrelevant.

And I don't have a door so I don't need a doorstop. :-)
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:12:55 CDT
From:         Big Jim <UC324698%MIZZOU1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      fourth and last

Adam, your 4th and last in birth order? You poor sap, you never had a
chance according to this book.

 JS
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:35:43 EDT
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (52
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>From:         Adam Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
>
>>25) Massachusetts Miracle (Adam H.)
>
>Heh.  This was a period of great economic growth in Massachusetts
>spurred on by Michael Dukakis, the Democratic Party's candidate in
>the Presidential election of 1988, and governor of Masschusetts while
>he was running.  Anyway, without his expert tutelage, Massachusetts
>fell to pieces in the last year of his governorship, and Bill Weld
>has had to pick up the pieces and try to keep the state running.
>
>The Massachusetts Miracle soon turned into the Massachusetts Morass.
>
I beg to differ.  Adam has hit upon one of by betes noires.
A better description of the Massachusetts Miracle would be a
period of regional prosperity, spurred by the particular place
in the economic cyle that fell in the early 80s, by the pro-
business policies of the governor during the late 70s and early
80s, Edward King, and, ironically, by some of the R & D spending
that was part of the bloated military budgets of the beginning of
the Reagan administration.  A scandal was generated on the testimony
of a convicted perjuror to deny King renomination by the Democrats,
and Dukakis was elected again in 1982, just in time to enjoy the
party.  He succeeded in exploiting Massachusetts's good fortune
in order to gain the Democratic nomination for President in 1988,
but somehow all that prosperity just dried up and disappeared
while he was at the helm of state government, chasing the Presidency.
What a surprise.

Frank
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:36:18 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Whales.
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> So if it's like any other red meat, why keep killing the whales ?
> There are lots of cows around.

Not in Japan, unless they've been imported.  There are some, just
not lots, because there's no room to graze them.  All the flat
space is taken up w/ housing.

> >Women are not generally allowed in Buddhist monasteries.
> >Shinto shrines are nice, too.:)
> So was it disguise or persuasion that got you in ?

Jeeze, Tony!!!!  I've been in a kazillion Buddhist temples, but
no Buddhist monasteries.  The closest I've come is a night ata
temple that *used* to be a monastery.  And I've never been *in*
a Shinto shrine because no one but a Shinto priest is...but I've
been on the grounds and looked around.

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:28:41 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The Problem *IS* With DV!
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:14:48 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> I just tried downloading a long text file outside of Desqview.  NO
> GARBLING!  So my recent problem is apparently with DV.  I wonder why
> the problem didn't show up earlier.  It worked fine for many months.

The Doctor's fee is $1.00  (well, it only took a minute to send mail...)

G
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:32:06 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      re: Olympic athletes
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On Thu, 30 Jul 1992, WERTSJ wrote:
> If I were a parent, and my kid had athletic talent in gymnastics,
> tennis, etc., I'm not sure if I could let him/her train with one of
> those coaches who feel that life is that sport (e.g. Karolyi in
> gymnastics, Bolletieri (sp?) in tennis).  I think it's wonderful for
> those kids to have such a feeling of accomplishment, and to become
> the best, but what they give up is *so* much (except for the few who
> manage to maintain a regular life, too, but they are very rare).  I
> sometimes just ache inside watching these kids (and I don't even know
> them); I don't think I could watch a child of mine go through it.
> There's enough pressure on kids just growing up; they don't need to
> deal with adult concerns, and have the weight of a country's
> expectations on their shoulders, too.

I agree wholeheartedly, Jill.  Of course, so many young people, athletes
or not, have the weight of their parents' expectations on their shoulders.
I watched one young girl this year dealing with the burden of her mother's
yearning for her daughter to be super popular...and ached inside right
along with her.  First the mother couldn't think of anything but whether
or not the child would make the Homecoming Court...then, when she did,
couldn't leave her alone because she didn't have a date for the Homecoming
Dance.  Even suggested, in fact, that they hire the daughter an escort for
the evening from an escort service, so nobody would know that one of the
members of the Homecoming Court (oh, the shame of it all!) didn't have a date!
I taught this child for four years, and this was a consistent pattern in
the mother/daughter relationship...not too surprising that the girl was
bulimic at age 13.
ndh
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:07:05 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Here we go again (was re: CNN)

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:58:00 EDT <ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM> said:

>I'm looking at my 14 year old kid, wondering how many times we
>can rerun this bloody farce, and wondering if he will have the grades
>to get into McGill....

I wonder how many Iraqi 14 year olds will get the chance to go
to McGill.  Of course there are rather fewer of them than there were
a couple of years ago, so competition may not be quite so fierce.

Tony H.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:38:00 EST
From:         Adam Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Post Clambake IRC
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>
I think we should arrange a Words-L night on IRC. Who's up for it, and what time
>should it begin? I would suggest 7:00 Central on Thursday night.
>
>-abh

Sounds great to me!  I'll be there, even if I have to mow down my
housemate with a mutant spatula.


--Adam
who is not surly, no matter what anyone says.
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Original-From: hlwpk!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:49:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: So long, it's been good to know you
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Bill, we have fought online, and we will again.  But I wish you a
safe journey with the wind at your back.

Ken
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:53:21 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      smokin'
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Just heard that one of the Marlborough Men
(from the adverts) died of Lung Cancer yesterday.

talk about occupational hazzards....


jenna
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:57:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      New Yorker Stories
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The discussion of short stories in New Yorker, etc (congratulations,
Rod) reminds me of a story I read about five years ago in either
Harper's or Atlantic Monthly, about a couple traveling through the
south, sightseeing, going to see the craters.  As the story develops,
the reader becomes aware that they are talking about the post-nuclear
holocaust craters in and around Atlanta.  Does anyone remember this
story?  Who wrote it?  Where did it appear?  I read it on one of those
boxy 16 seat airplanes from Athens GA to Charlotte NC....  it
detracted my mind from the terror of barely staying in the air.
--ggs (who has *several* rejections slips from New Yorker)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:44:00 EST
From:         Adam Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
Subject:      Re: birth order
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>I was rereading _The Birth Order Book_ the other day, and just wondered
>how many other wordslers are serious, dependable firstborns?
>ndh (who would have much preferred to be a second child)

My sister Karen, who is the firstborn, is very serious and
dependable.  What does it say about others?  I'm the fourth and last
in my family.

--Adam/LH
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:51:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIT
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> >I see nothing to be debated.  Buy a Honda Civic.
> >   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
> Say what?  A Toyota Camry....
>
> Ken

You people just do *not* understand.  We are not talking good,
reliable, beautiful transportation.  I already have that in the
form of a very nice Plymouth Voyager (which I was driving at the
bake, but it is so ordinary no one noticed).  This is a question
of zippy, racy, fun *little* car with *no* *top*, for that lovely
winding roads by the light of the silvery moon.
--ggs
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:36:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: Apophasis
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>As soon as I got home, I pulled out
>my commonplace book, and there it was.

     What is a commonplace book?

>Is there a good source for this kind of question: rhetorical devices with
>classical names, but with some kind of reverse-definition access?

     The book I have is called "Figures of Speech."

     Carol
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:27:08 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: .tar.z?
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zcat file.tar.Z|tar -xvf -

or...

compress -d file.tar.Z
tar -xvf file.tar

though the latter takes up more disk space.

(the "-" parameter to tar means use stdin instead of a file.  the '-f'
means a file follows.)

G
PS To get a listing first, do zcat file.tar.Z|tar tvf -

Oops!  When I said "-xvf" above I think it should have just
been "xvf" with no initial "-".  tar doesn't follow the
unix conventions very well.  Though it does manage better than dd...)
So to recap;   zcat file.tar.Z|tar xvf -
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:28:00 EST
From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Why my mailer died, and amusement for VMS users
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As you may know, the Pitt VMS mail service was completely out of
commission between early afternoon yesterday and sometime in the
wee hours today.  I sent a query about it to the systems folks
here, and here's part of the explanation:

>There was a problem that has delayed the delivery of incoming network
>mail to the VMS Cluster.  Both Internet and BITNET mail was affected.
>The problem has been fixed and the mail is being delivered now.

>This problem was caused by design problem in PMDF.  Each type of mail is
>delivered via a "channel".  Each time the queue for a channel is
>processed, a log file is created.  The log file for each channel is
>unique to that channel.  As the queue for the channel is processed more
>log files with the same name are created, eventually taking the verion
>limit into the 30,000's.  The maximum version of a file in VMS is 32767.
>When the log file for a specific channel reaches that limit, processing
>ceases until the log files are renamed or deleted.  PMDF does send mail
>messages out when a channel's log file reaches the danger point of
>30,000, but with our mail load, it is possible that it can go from the
>danger point to the halt point before the warning message has been sent
>out.  That was the case today.

>The next version of PMDF overhauls the way log files are managed,
>solving this problem.  I am hoping we will be able to install the new
>version by the fall term.


How about that for a reason to lose mail access?  I'm sure the heavy-duty
VMS types on the lists will find this quite funny (and if they're systems
people, they'll check the version numbers on *their* mail log files).

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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:13:20 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Swedish crayfish
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Brad offers:
>
>     This August, try a festive Swedish Crayfish Festival for friends
>     and neighbors!
>
>     16 lb live, purged crayfish             2 tbsp salt
>                 ^^^^^^
>Pray tell, how does one make a crayfish purge?
>
>//an inquiring mind//
Stick your finger down its throat.

judith
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:32:00 EST
From:         Adam Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Vainity
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>> My name has been taken in vain.
>
>And trembling silence suddenly overtakes the list...
>--
>   Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

It's been 20 minutes, and the salad has spoiled, right, Natalie?

--Adam
obvious old joke not deleted
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:13:19 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Greetings from Don!
              24 Jul 1992 21:06:34 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

>        Peace,
>              Don

   Peace to you, too, good buddy.  Turning in early?     --brad
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:10:01 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: How's Adbam doing?
              27 Jul 1992 15:03:17 -0500 from <harwood@TENET.EDU>

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:03:17 -0500 Nancy Harwood said:
>On Mon, 27 Jul 1992, Evelyn wrote:
>> We should be inviting Anne for Thanksgiving dinner.  Babies are a problem
>> until they're out of the house and off on their own (about 18).
>
>It was supposed to stop then?  How come nobody told me?

My sister says that when her kids graduate from high school, they're
going to be on their own.  So, Henry has 3 more years, and Marissa has
7 to be at home.

As for me, I'm happy with my cats.

>ndh

Evelyn
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:21:15 CDT
From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Crosspost about women
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>	Wouldn't a collection of scornful messages from each and every
>	WORDS-Ler (flooding the schmuck's mailbox, perhaps) be a more
>	useful response?

Naah...these guys love it when they know where hostility is coming from...what
makes them mashugenas is to know that ...somewhere....people may not revere them
for the superior lifeforms they so obviously are.

-abh
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:23:52 U
From:         Anne <harwell@SMTPGATE.TECHRSCS.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Sheesh
Comments: To: Words-L <words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>

>>   Bless you, Rita.  I don't think I would have had the strength of
>> character to ask this in such a way.
>
>	And I owe it all to Anne.

And bless *you* for saying that about me, you little twerp. Gee, does this mean
I get to be a <bridesmaid> at your wedding?

Evangelically yours,
-abh

If anyone wonders, I am not speechless today. The damn Vaxcluster has been up
and down all day like a whore in a Bangkok house <of ill repute>.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:39:03 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (53)-> Imax movie
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

>>the Boston
>>version whizzes you along the highway (Storrow Dr?) as if you are actually
>>in the car or in the helicopter carrying you dizzily above the John Hancock
>>and Prudential buildings.  It can be nauseating, it is so "real".

>Another Canadian invention, I might add (with typical Canadian understated
>smugness).  The first IMAX screen is in Ontario Place here in Toronto.
>         North of Superior starts with this little view from the front
>of a small plane flying over the bush and just as it flies over
>a ridge - Bang! the screen expands to its full size and the whole theatre
>seems to swoop down into the canyon below.
>
>(Judith is officially excused from watching :-) )
Thank you, Tony. I appreciate that, but I've become quite adept
at guessing when they're gonna throw in one of those scenes, and
closing my eyes for the "bad" parts.

Sounds like Karen might want to join me...I have trouble
with those looooooong escalators, too (been to the Moscow
Metro? and there's one up in the Bronx somewhere...).

love, judith, official list ballast (and thanks, Torkel,
              for the proper name...but doesn't "super-
              cargo" sound like it *ought* to mean some-
              thing unimportant that's just carried along?)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:58:53 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Don Moore!
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I'm talking to Don Moore on the phone!  Am about to go find him at a
Chevron station!!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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