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From: q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student)
Subject: Re: Vancouver information, please
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.172247.28035@javelin.sim.es.com> kmcdonal@javelin.sim.es.com (Kevin McDonald) writes:
>Well, here we go, the first trip outside the United States.  We'll be
>heading up to Vancouver in a little over a week but I don't know
>anything about the place.
>
>The only airport I am aware of is Vancouver International Airport but
>the good gen av accommodations are usually at the smaller, well, gen av
>airports.  Any recommendations?
>
>Also, any ideas on things to see and do would be appreciated.  Isn't this
>great being hooked up with the entire world?!?!?!
>
>Thank you in advance,
>		Kevin McDonald

Well, you've certainly picked a good place to start seeing Canada from.

I *strongly* suggest you get a copy of the Canadian Flight
Suppliment (CFS), as Vancouver is one of the few areas in Canada
with really complex airspace and VFR flight procedures- 23 air-
ports and heliports within 20 miles.  The main VFR airport in
the Vancouver area is Boundary Bay (CZBB), approximately 10NM SE
of the Vancouver International.  This airport has the distinction
of being the busiest VFR airport in Canada, with over 140,000 VFR
movements per year.  Until you get your own CFS, here's the basics
(all information from a VERY out-of-date CFS, October 1990):

--------
Boundary Bay (CZBB)
N49 04 23 W123 00 20
21deg E var
Elev 5'

Airport of Entry, private aircraft < 15 passengers, either through
ADCUS flight plan or direct call to customs (604) 943-2722

IFR training flights require prior permission from Vancouver
Center (604) 666-9674

Fuel: 80, 100

Runways:  Layout is traditional ex-military triangle, except that
one side is missing at CZBB.
Rwy 12 (123deg) / 30 (303deg):  3755 x 100 paved
Rwy 07 (069deg) / 25 (249deg):  3540 x 100 paved

Comm:
ATIS 125.5 (tower hours)
TOWER 118.1 15-07Z, other times TRAFFIC 118.1, 3NM to 2000'ASL
GROUND 124.3 (tower hours)

Procedures: right hand circuits rwys 25 and 30.  Airport restricted
to light propellor aircraft and helis.  Delta Air Park located
2.5 NM east- no overflights below 1000' AGL.
--------

Another airport in the area is Pitt Meadows, but it is significantly
farther from the city of Vancouver, so I'll not bother with all the
information on it.  There is *too* much to see in Vancouver....
I visited during the summer, so I can't really make any suggestions
about winter sights.  Have a good trip.

Oh, BTW, the CFS is published every 56 days, and is available from
most places selling Canadian maps (which you'll also need).  They
run about $25 (US) for single issues, and include every airport and
heliport in Canada in one *thick* book.
-- 
Chris.
Xref: sparky rec.aviation:16618 rec.aviation.misc:114
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Beech fuel flow computer for sale
Keywords: fuel flow computer, for sale
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:09:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster

G'day,
 
I have a Plumly fuel flow computer Beech part number
35-590090 which is for a 1959 K35 Bonanza but should
work for any Bonanza with the IO-470-C (250hp) engine.
 
It is metal with the fuel flow computer on one side
and a standard a/c flight computer on the other
(no wind scale).
 
It has a nice little case with it.
 
I'll take $20 for it and pay postage within USA.
 
Dave Rogers
From: billa@fc.hp.com (Bill Arnold)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Super Decathlon
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:52:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.BvvB2u.2LF
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

On the Super Decathlon, you asked about the best way to repair the
wings.

IMHO, if you have anyone in the ten owners who can restore airplanes,
repair the wings yourself, getting an A&P to help/signoff.

Personally, I use the Stits process.  You can easily get replacement
ribs.  If the wood spars are OK, keep them.  If they are not, you
can probably repair them using acceptable repair methods.

The Stits envelopes cost about $200 each.  The required repair materials
will not cost $1000.  And, who counts labor.

Taking a detailed look at the wings will teach you a lot about airplane
construction.

Bill Arnold  billa@fc.hp.com
Xref: sparky rec.aviation:16562 rec.aviation.homebuilt:120 sci.aeronautics:2264
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.homebuilt,sci.aeronautics
Subject: Re: Pitching Moment of Seaplane Props
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:45:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aviation
Organization: U. S. Naval Academy

In article <1992Oct9.154026.28656@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> baldwin@cps.msu.edu (Reid A Baldwin) writes:
!A thread has started in rec.aviation.homebuilt regarding the pitching
!moment of the tail mounted propeller of the Seawind. Particularly,
!how fore-aft movement of the propeller influences the pitching moments.
!
!In article <2239@usna.NAVY.MIL!, dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC)) writes:
!|! Marcus Leonard wrote:
!|! !! ... The pitching moment due
!|! !!to the engine is equal to the thrust multiplied by the distance from the
!|! !!thrust line to the CG.  It does not matter where along the thrust line the
!|! !!engine is located.
!|! !
!|! 
!|! I have not been following this thread however it does matter where
!|! along the thrust line the engine is located. Here's why.
!|! 
!|! There are 2 moments associated with a propeller:
!|! 
!|! 1. Direct thrust moment.
!|! 
!|! This is equal to the thrust times the perpendicular distance from
!|! the thrust line to the cg.
!|! 
!|! 2. Propeller normal force moment.
!|! 
!|! A propeller at an angle of attack to the airstream generates
!|! a force `in the plane' of the propeller disk. The propeller
!|! normal force generates a moment equal to the propeller
!|! normal force times the distance from the propeller disk
!|! to the cg. So it does matter where along the `thrust' line
!|! the propeller is located.
!|! 
!|! Ref. See Etkin `Dynamics of Flight'
!|! 
!|! Dave Rogers
!
!In what direction is the propeller normal force when the angle of
!attack is positive?

Ahh... normal to the thrust line.

Dave Rogers
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
From: philf@xymox.palo-alto.ca.us (Phil Fernandez)
Subject: Re: What Constitutes "Cross Country"
Organization: Jade and Jett Incorporated
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:38:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.234603.13656@qdeck.com> jbrown@qdeck.com (Jordan Brown) writes:
>The fact that you don't log the 49-mile flight as XC, or don't log the
>100-mile no-landing flight as XC, doesn't erase that experience from your
>brain, which is the _really_ important part.  If, on the other hand,
>you log a 49-mile flight as an XC and the FAA examiner notices it,
>it _will_ be disallowed and if this takes you below the required number
>of hours you will get a pink slip, and your instructor might get in
>trouble for recommending a candidate who does not meet the requirements,
>and in general you will be unhappy.  Note that the examiner for your home
>airport will almost certainly know which airports are more than 50 nm from
>it...

A perfect case in point is Palo Alto (PAO) to Stockton (SCK).  The two
airports are 49 miles apart.  This is a disappointment to some
instrument students flying out of PAO, since SCK is a very popular
practice ground for approaches.  If SCK were one mile further, it
would be very tempting to add a landing and some cross country time
after doing practice approaches.

This wasn't a problem for me, since I had lots of X-C time, but I've
heard CFIs around West Valley advise that DEs that work at PAO keep a
close eye on PAO->SCK time logged as X-C.

pmf
pp-asmel-ia
mooney n5632j
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Body clipper advice needed
Date: 15 Oct 1992 20:18:48 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.larc.nasa.gov

>>>It's getting close to time to body clip my wooley horse.  I have been 
>>>looking for clippers but can only find the little kind for wiskers and 
>>>bridle paths.
>>>
>

 This is kind of off the original question, but is there a reason you
 *have* to clip him in the first place? They are usually much healthier
 left natural.

 patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Impressive syndrome
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:14:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct7.161417.23665
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

Did anyone else see the article in the New York Times (Oct 6, Science
section) about the genetic disorder that affects quarter horses?  The
article describes a condition that causes horses to go into spasms after
workouts or after ingesting food that contains high levels of potassium. 
These spasm range from mild to fatal. 

According to the article, the disorder is caused by a genetic mutation
that is linked to a single stallion.  The NYT wouldn't mention his name
for fear of law suits, but I'm pretty sure that the stallion is
Impressive. 

The article went on to say that researchers believed that the condition
could be eradicated in a few generations if people would only stop
breeding horses from the the Impressive line.

My question becomes, do you netters think that the American Quarter Horse
Association should deny registration to any horse with Impressive
bloodlines?  If so why.  If not why not.

-Carol
From: kcarroll@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Morbid question ...
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:39:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct13.213944.26003
Organization: University of Washington

> Not to ramble but this reminds me of a story from my childhood....


I've got one too.  We used to send horses to the Minkers when they died, a  
strange family with a rattle trap truck that just barely made in in and out.  
Years later, home from college on a break, I was out driving around the country  
lanes with a date (probably looking for a place to park). We passed a run-down  
farmhouse, large strange field with dozens of "coops" on stilts, surrounded by  
a chain-link fence and guarded by several mean Gr. shepards.  Passing the open  
barn, I noticed a carcass, made my date back up and stop for a closer look. It  
absolutely wasn't deer or a cow, and I was stumped. Of course, the old geyser  
hauls himself and his shot gun off the porch to tell us to scoot. Well, I want  
to know what the hell this thing is, so I ignore the barrell of the gun resting  
on the driver's door, pointing slightly downward and demand to know what that  
animal was! Horse, the old man spits out. The light dawns: farm, coops, dogs,  
fence. The minkers raised mink coats. I never told any of the younger kids.
Never heard from the guy again either, needlesstosay.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: Support against Inhumane Slaughtering
Keywords: support
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:26:43 GMT

In article <1av8l0INN1qv@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>
>Note that the name of this coalition is "Against the Horse
>Slaughter Trade", NOT  "Against Inhumane Horse Slaughter".  So I would be
>concerned that this group would use donations to fight *horse trade*,
>period.  Don't get me wrong, I agree absolutely with Dennis that
>inhumane treatment of any animal is abhorrent and should be stoppped
>NOW.  But I'm concerned that our $$ might be put to stop our sport and
>not just to stop the mistreatment.  Dennis, do you know what the
>complete agenda of this group is?  And whether they receive any
>support from animal rights groups versus animal welfare groups?
>
>Sometimes the animal rightists form fringe groups as a means for
>tapping into new sources of funds.  The money often doesn't go to
>helping animals as much as into making the group rich and politically
>powerful.  That's what happened with Doris Day's animal rights group.
>They took all the cash they got and put it into more mailings for more
>funds, not spending a cent on the animals.  So they got shut down
>since they were claiming to be non-profit. 
>

  The Coalitions intentions are to stop inhumane slaughtering
in our country as well as other countries. The conditions of 
horses that are at auctions being sold when they are in need of 
euthinizing at that very moment( horses with physical problems). In the
article it says " No laws govern equine carriers (their double
stacked on cattle truck)and no laws mandate the feeding or watering
of equines in transport,even though some trips cover hundreds of
miles and take several days. They are against foriegn countries
inhumane killing and Inhumane treatment our slaughter houses and
auctions participate in. I am still researching more on this
since I recently found out about it.
  The Coalition Against the Horse Slaughter Trade formed in the
late 1980's it is a subentity of the Horse Welfare Committee,a
legislative advocacy group that originated from the Wild Life
Conservation. The petitions has been endorsed by United States
Dressage Federation as well as numerous horse organizations
and animal humane societies. To date signatures number in the
tens of thousands.

     Pam Blythe
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Slaughter Houses
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:48:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Oct8.204431.9478@nas.nasa.gov> gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov (Karen L. Gundy-Burlet) writes:
>
>I assume that this is implying that humans are eating the excess amount
>of pet food because of hunger/economic reasons (I doubt pet food is
>considered an epicurian treat) and therefore the standards require that
>the pet food be suitable for human consumption.  How depressing.
>
>Would wormers disqualify a horse from being slaughtered as pet food?
>
>Karen

Depends on the wormer - most will have a specified withdrawal period.  If
it's not written on the packet the vet should have the information either
on a sheet which is supplied with the product or in a book/compendium of 
veterinary data sheets.  Each product will have a withdrawal period for
milk and meat if it is designed for dairy animals, and meat only for non
dairy animals if there is any possibility of their being eaten (ie, I 
doubt dog and cat wormers will have withdrawal periods).  Occasionally
the periods will not have been tested, so the product will not be suitable 
for animals used for dairy or meat.  One classic case in the UK was a new 
wormer brought out specifically for goats (it was basically Ivermectin) 
but which had no withdrawal period given for milk OR meat.  Was it really 
designed for males and fibre producers only?

There is a law in the UK which means that all 'stock' - including horses,
must have a record kept of ALL medicines administered, by whom, the
withdrawal period, and the supplier of the drug.  I know of very few horse
owners who do this, but in theory they should.

Hope this helps,

Esther, Rickie, Mari and baby Non. (who hasn't done anything disgustingly
cute for a little while, but I'll post as soon as she does!  I have some 
nice piccies of her at the show, though.  Maybe I'll get round to scanning 
them...)

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From: frv@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Frank Vaughn)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: test
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:16:44 GMT
Reply-To: frv@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Frank Vaughn)
Distribution: usa
Organization: StPaul

this is a test.
--
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: human evolution
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:16:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


In an article in rec.equestrian Monty Brandenberg writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.224345.13636@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
|> In an article in rec.equestrian doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
|> writes:
|> 
|> >Human beings evolved eating meat, just like wolves, tigers, bears, 
|> >and a bunch of other animals. 
|> 
|> 	Actually this is incorrect.  I learned about this studying for my
|> B.S. degree in Biology.  Humans evolved eating nuts, berries, grains,
|> fruits, vegetables, and raw fish.  [etc.]

>This and the animal rights vs animal welfare thread suggest that you should
>be a little more attentive to language.  

	Who are you, buster, to tell me about language!  You just missed an
entire proposition so back off the snottiness!!!
	
>Dennis made an anthropological statement
>('Humans evolved eating meat') that is correct; hunting predates the appearance
>of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.  You replied with a morphological statement, basically
>that man is not well-suited to meat eating, that, while correct, isn't a logical
>refutation of Dennis' statement.  Sloppy reasoning isn't going to impress those
>you try to sway...

	Unless you can read minds you cannot possibly know whether Dennis made
an Anthropological statement OR a Biological one.  As I am not an 
Anthropologist I responded as best I could to the issue that I believed his
statement raised.  Be that as it may, I do have some Anthropologist friends
and according to the information they presented to me, Anthropologists have
no idea why or for that matter exactly when proto-humans began eating meat,
but what they do know is that not all humans eat meat currently nor have all
groups eaten it in the past.  Therefore morphology is the only definite
information we have to go on so my response was a reasonable one.  In any 
case you seem be on a bit of a pedantic kick here that seems to be designed
to allow you to take potshots at issues you don't like (and people you 
haven't met in person) without really examining the information being 
presented.  At this point if potshots is what you want send them to me
directly via e-mail rather than boring the rest of the group with undeserved
flames on commentary that was presented in a reasonable and well-intentioned
manner.

					Tracy and everybody
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Washing leather breeches (Was: Re: Custom Pants)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:14:34 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1269@aeshq.UUCP> sue@aeshq.UUCP (Sue Grocott) writes:
>
>I've also been told that Murphy's Oil Soap works too - but I've had much
>better results with the expensive stuff :-)  If your local tack shop hasn't
>heard of this stuff I could check at mine to see if there's a North American
>distributor or something.


I've washed my chaps, once, in the washing machine on the delicate
cycle, with Woolite and a few drops of olive oil.  They came out nice
and supple, and sorta clean.  I would bet Murphy's Oil Soap would be
better than Woolite.

Sarah Pallas
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Body clipper advice needed
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:29:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: chrysos

In article <1992Oct14.195356.8793@ulysses.att.com> grass@ulysses.att.com (Judith Grass) writes:
>In article <ldohp2INNsla@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> clarefg@bestbet.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>>It's getting close to time to body clip my wooley horse.  I have been 
>>looking for clippers but can only find the little kind for wiskers and 
>>bridle paths.
>>
...
>
>I can give you an anti-recommendation....   If you can find *** anything ***
>OTHER than the Oster/Sunbeam large animal clippers, it would be worth
>trying them.  And I wouldn't even ask about the price.
...
i've had my sunbeam stewart variable speed animal clippers for 10 years and
have never had the troubles you descibe.  they've done a great job for me
and i've used them every year since i got them and even loaned them to friends
so they've been used often.

gale snow
c'est jolie and jaseroque
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Slaughter
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:09:42 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


Although this is a difficult subject, there are alternatives to selling your
horse to the killers.  Call the local zoo.  They need horsemeat for the big
cats.  They may be interested in buying your horse, and then you would know
that they would humanely put the horse down.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

In rec.equestrian, rewald@stsci.edu writes:

    Hi All -
    Shogun, on the other hand, seems really nervous.  
   ... 
    and we had inadvertantly left on the light in the compartment.
    I should mention that we're usually travelling after dark, and on good 
    interstate highways. 
       Thanks for any suggestions -      Rosalie & Shogun


Leaving the light on in the horse compartment is a good idea.  
When you travel at night, the lights from the on coming traffic
bothers a lot of horses.  When the trailer light is on, the horses
seem less concerned about the lights coming at them.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian