From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Attention!
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:47:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.004109.9581@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Just because a pro-lifer is under attack does *not* mean they deserve
>defense -- it depends on what caused the attack.

Say that to the folks who defended Mark Kaufman's every racist,
bigoted and threat-filled comment. He deserved no defense at all, yet
he got tons of it. 

>In Cinder aka Conrad Vincent's case, it was:
>In article <1992May12.214647.28512@hubcap.clemson.edu>
>conradv@joule.eng.clemson.edu () writes:
>
>> 	Abortion is worse than the holocaust because,
>>1) The holocaust removed just a few million Jews. Abortion is a 
>>continuing process in which millions of innocent kids are killed
>>annually.
>
>>2) The way the Zionists of this group pour vitriol on Catholicism
>>one might be tempted to extrapolate that the Jews asked for it
>
>>(just kidding, no flames please).
>
>--- --- ---
>
>Don't expect many people to see virtue in defending someone who talks
>about the Holocaust (which is supposed to be capitalized) having
>"removed just a few million Jews" versus abortion being something "in
>which millions of innocent kids are killed".  Simply the referrence to
>the Holocaust having "removed" Jews compared to "killed" wrt abortion
>is flameworthy.  Compounding that with a description of the 'kids'
>that abortion kills being "innocent" and a 'joke' that the Jews"asked
>for it" means that Cinder earned every last little flame that came his
>way.

Well, perhaps some of us would be willing to concede if, say, Susan
Garvin conceded that Gloria Feldt's comment was purely theological and
that if that is her reasoning, it is no better than pro-lifers whose
activism is based on their religion. 

Then again, that IS what Gloria Feldt said: it WAS her reasoning. 

Perhaps some of us would be willing to concede if, say, Ren & Skimpy's
Love Child (as he calls himself) were to own up for that "Vatican Rag"
bigotry. 

It goes both ways. 

>Personally, I don't see any merit whatsoever in defending someone
>currently engaged in active anti-Semitism.  Quite the contrary; I was
>flaming the little <censored> for all I was worth.  Cinder's one of
>only three posters to talk.abortion (none currently posting) that I
>have flamed for the express purpose of trying to drive them away, and
>it takes a lot to bring me to that.  The fact that Cinder was pro-life
>was largely irrelevant, too; I flame people for being offensive, not
>for disagreeing with me.  World would be boring without disagreement.

How about people who threaten women with their personal safety? Well,
you already _did_ disown Kaufman.  

How about religious bigots? Our friend the "Love Child," is one such
person, as is Susan Garvin. But again, Kaufman takes the Gold on this.  

How about liars? Like Scott Roby and PatricKKK Humphrey, who brought us the
Dennis Hall and Conrad Vincent pranks. (PatricKKK also brought us "I
have DOCUMENTATION" and "Steve is missing at Nextnet" and other lies I
can't even remember at the moment.) 

How about racists? Like PatricKKK Humphrey who called me "fat black
ass"? No one makes that kind of race-derived statement unless they've
got some racism in them and no sense whatsoever to edit it out of their
article - or unless they were raised in a racist environment and
didn't know better. Surely you would dislike that as much as you
dislike Conrad's comments, by principle.  

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>##       "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
>##  that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
>##  we want to be precise)..."
>##    -- Gloria Feldt,
>##       chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona

>##   "I see nothing extreme or reprehensible about this statement."
>##     -- garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) <BtnDAw.Iwo.2@cs.cmu.edu>
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