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From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re-los disparates de Edelmiro
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:49:12 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu



>As you know Todd, our governmen is "of the people and by the people" so I 
>don't know what all this story of "corporate interest" government you are 
>talking about.

je, je, je... Este si que es un buen chiste.

>It justs boggles my mind to think why Mexico is so happy with the plan of turning 
>the entire country into a giant maquiladora that I can't understand why some 
>say that Mexicans don't want them.

No chico lo que ellos quyieren hacer es lentamente convertirse en estado de los EEUU pa' poder invadir donde les venga en gana.

Jose F. Otero
DonQ@acs.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: lazaro@riemann.math.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Sarcasmo
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:34:50 GMT

Despues de haber los postings de los ultimos dias a este grupo me he sentido 
un poco desilucionado. ?Realmente se esta perdiendo la capacidad de reconocer
esa tecnica tan maravillosa llamada SARCASMO?

-- 
| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
| lazaro@riemann.math.mun.ca      ||  el aire amarillo tiembla! - F.G. Lorca |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Re- Las Falklands
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:50:35 GMT

In article <19228@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>Jose, por si no lo sabias America es el nombre de dos continentes no es el 
>nombre de unas islas. 

America es el nombre de dos continentes?
Podrias explicar de cuaes dos?



>Me parece que en geografia 1 te pueden ensen~ar que una 
>isla no es "parte de" un continente.  

Segun mi diccionario, las islas del caribe son parte, geologicamente, de
America Central.
Que hago, tiro el diccionario a la mierda?

>las tierras a 3,000 falklandenses solo para probar una teoria juridica.

Falkandenses?
Mira si seras medio medio que te inventaste un nombre!
Primero salistes con que los habitantes de las Malvinas eran ciudadanos
ingleses, despues, sin siquiera erconocer el error, cambiastes de 
argumento para terminar con esta pavada de falklandenses.
Edelmiro, edelmiro, encima seguis con eso de llamar a las islas |
Falklands.
>
>Edelmiro
>

Mira, aun si las malvinas no fueran argentinas, al menos los argentinos 
tenemos un pais.

AAP
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Peru
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:47:49 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Can anyone inform us of what's going on in Peru?  I'm interested in knowing
the results of the referendum?  How many people voted?  Did the boycott from
the left (APRA...) or the extreme right (Sendero) have any efect? Is
the wave of terrorism without central command, or have the maoist goons       
replaced their commander in chief?  Thanks in advance.

Edelmiro
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Salas
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:36:49 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Dice David Sangurima:

>Robert,

>To an American (in the INCLUSIVE definition) your quib about the
>dictators and censorship borders on the racist. 

David,

To an American (in the EXCLUSIVE definition) your quib about Roberts comments 
on dictatorships and censorships border on the communist.

>I bring to your
>attention a solid study of censorship and propaganda in the USA by
>one of your most noted authors--"Manufacturing Consent," Noam
>Chomsky.

I bring to your attention
that chomsky's "solid" studies on
politics are nothing but bullcrap,
particularly his theories on the
"Washington Party" and his paranoia
of a manipulated press.  However, if
you so wish to enlarge his profits
continue purchasing his books and
soon you will end up like Harel, 
quoting Chomsky every other line
without arriving at any independent
conclusions about reality.

>Cheers,

Edelmiro
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Los disparates de Edelmiro
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:30:31 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Robert Barr asks:

>Why is the U.S. always blamed for all of the problems south of its
>border?  Perhaps you believe that conditions were much better for
>mexican workers before the maquiladores were permitted into Mexico?

Well I don't know, but perhaps it's due to the fact that Rousseau was wrong 
and Hobbes was right. There is something intrinsically evil in  human nature 
and envy is a bais property of humanity, especiall among many Latin American 
nationalists.

Edelmiro

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: cortes@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Enrique Cortes-Rello)
Subject: Re: Los disparates de Edelmiro
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:46:35 GMT

In article <6187@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx>, frigg@asgard.mty.itesm.mx (Roxana Elvira Mora) writes:
> alguna otra sugerencia para el nombre de la nueva lista?

talk.useless.tasteless.brainless.junk.edelmiro
talk.bizarre.edelmiro
talk.bizarre.i-need-the-attention.edelmiro
misc.net.semigod.edelmiro
soc.culture.latin-america.genio.incomprendido.edelmiro

Enrique
From: 002564r@ace.acadiau.ca (RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: SOY ROJO!!!!
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:48:29 GMT
Organization: Acadia University



El se~or Edelmiro me convencio, tiene toda la razon, como pude estar 
equivocado tanto tiempo, Soy rojo, soy comunista, como puedo ser tan 
irracional de no pensar como el, como es posible que hay tanto rojo suelto 
por el territorio Norteamericano haciendo postgrados de economia , de 
Ingenieria, de Adm de empresas,etc,  es un peligro para la estabilidad 
mundial, en un ejemplo de democracia a pedido de se~ores como el susodicho, 
nos deberian perseguir y torturarnos hasta que confesemos que somos espias 
al servicio de la KGB (sic),pues el no pensar como el se~or Edelmiro es 
indudablemete ser marxista, luego el deberia ser nuestro guia espiritual en 
el retorno a la razon pura, Que va decir mi madre cuando se entere que soy 
marxista y ni yo lo sabia?, Deberia dejar de estudiar Adm. de Empresas?, 
Quiza no deberia ni usar estas maquinas imperialistas, 

Proletariado Latino-americano academico esparcido en Norteamerica que 
discrepais con el Se~or Edelmiro, unios y llorad vuestra desgracia, pues 
sois marxistas, aunque Ud no lo crea!!!

                                                        
                                          Ricardo
                                    Nova Scotia Canada

PD. en cuanto a la encuesta ....chispas olvide las preguntas...bueno todas 
menos la  (a)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Educando a America (Re: Las Falklands)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:02:12 GMT

In article <wf26KPu00iUxQ89tVQ@andrew.cmu.edu> Hector Salgado-Galicia <hs1c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Total, es el mejor indio el indio muerto o no? Mira' che, que ponete de
>acuerdo y no empece's a decir pavadas.

Mira che, no te pongas a tratar de escribir como argentino que no te sale.
De paso, anda y comprate un manual para gente que es incapaz de reconocer
cuando algo es un sarcasmo. 


> un continente lleno de argentinos? Aaaargh!!

Eso  fue lo que le dijo San Martin a Bolivar. 
Fijate que tener un continente lleno de argentinos que saben leer y se
dan cuenta cunado algo es un sarcasmo.... 


>No por favor, estamos mejor asi. No mamenaces Adolfo, a tu pais se lo
>llevo el carajo no por culpa de los indios, sino por culpa de torpezas
>economicas y gorilatos militaristas.  


Gracias, my guru, por iluminarme el camino.


>
>H. Salgado

Salgado, Salgado, porque no te avivas un poco sobre cuando algo va en serio
y cuando algo es en joda...........


Alberto Pinkas
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Los disparates de Edelmiro
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:52:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Enrique says:

>everybody.is.a.pinko.except.edelmiro.and.his.sidekicks

Sorry you misunderstood me Enrique, but no everybody who disagrees with me is 
a pinko.  I have had disagreements with people on the left and on the right.  
Howvever the following entailments usually hold:

If so and so is a pinko, then so and so hates Edelmiro.

Please note that the converse does not hold:

If so and so hates Edelmiro, then so and so is a pinko.

>all.latinamericans.are.nothing.but.a.bunch.of.uneducated.fools --- continue

Pardon me Enrique, but I consider myself a Latin American who does not meet 
the standard you have posited. As a matter of fact I consider many Latin 
Americans on this group as very educated and, rarely do I think they are fools. 
 If I would, I wouldn't event bother engaging in  polemics with them..

>.that.should.learn.from.the.highly.civilized.and.tolerant.     --- continue
>americans.including.edelmiro.and.his.pals

Again, I don't know where youre getting these conclusions.

>the.only.free.country.in.the.continent.(or.should.i.say.the.world). --cont.
>is.the.good.old.u.s.a.and.if.you.do.not.like.that.you.will.be.viciously. 
-->cont.

Exuse me, but if you read my recent postings you will see how I reach the 
conclusion that all of Latin America, with the exception of Cuba, Haiti and 
Peru, are democratic nations.

>attacked.with.baseless.arguments

This is yours to prove.

>:) Hey Robert, OJALA y yo fuera un "spoiled aristocratic upperclass hispano"
>  , asi no tendria que trabajar como burro.

Perhaps Robert was referring to others.

>  Creo que nadie esta sugiriendo que nuestro querido Edelmiro sea censurado
>  ni nada por el estilo. 

Perdona, pero el sen~or Pinkas sugirio establecer "limites" a la discusion.  
Si un "limite" no es una censura entonces dime lo que entiendes por censura.

>Por el contrario, yo gozo cada vez que leo un mensaje
>  de Edelmiro - mientras mas surrealista mejor!!. Aun mas, de vez en cuando
>  Edelmiro hace contribuciones valiosas de las que todos podemos aprender.
>  Pero en ciertas ocasiones, nuestro amigo escribe disparates que son tan
>  alucinantes que la unica arma posible es el sarcasmo :) :) :)

Pues si tanta risa te causan, lo que debes hacer es no comentar los que te 
gustan y tampoco los que causan risa, ya que podras esperar que te mande mas, 
si por el contrario quieres comentar los que te causan risa creo que al rato te 
sobrevendra la amargura y entonces no te reiras tanto.  Por ende, espero no 
saber oir comentarios tuyos, por tu propio beneficio.

Saludos

Edelmiro
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Cuba: split within the left
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:31:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

LEFT SPLITS ON CASTRO

The notion the left within the U.S. is solidly behind Castro is an assertion 
which no longer holds true.  Saul Landau, a frelance writer for 'The 
Progressive' wrote an fascinating article on Cuba's repressive regime.  A one 
time unconiditional fan of Mr. Castro, Mr. Landau has depicte the morbid 
represion of dissent in Cuba.  However, even with an apologetic finales of the 
revoultion dogmatics have written nuemerous letters attacking Mr. Landau.  
Howver, the letters in support of his position have also surfaced in the pages 
of 'The Progressive'.  I have decided to reproduce some so that it becomes 
clear that a shcism is beginning to appear with the rank of the U.S. left, 
something unimaginable 30 years ago...

Edelmiro
----

Saul Landau  wrote a great article.  Perhaps with time, effor and technical 
preparation, more American radicals can help the Cuban revoultion in a material 
way.  A lot of us would be interested, but only with the important 
aualification that we could help without kissing ass to Fidel Castro and his 
dictatorial form of government.

People have to realize that they can support a cause in general without 
blindly applauding and ratioalizing evry stupid thing that goes on.

Steven Edinger
----

"Is Fidel Washed up?" was at once silly and sad.  Mucho of it remineded me of 
that foolish journalism of the 1930s, "Too bad about the Jews but the trains 
run on time."  Here it was, "Too bad gays are screwed but the day care is 
neat."  

Saul Landau writes, "The State buildt a nation of proud strong, and capable 
people but all power, all initiative remains in the hands of the Party and the 
State."  It seems to me that the two clauses are contradictory.  It simpley is 
not possible to have and omnipotent state and proud, strong, and capable 
people.  Here is the great sadness; socialists want both.  But they know in 
their heart of hearts that power outside the state means private property and 
that means markets.  And that's agains their faith, which teaches that markets 
really mean capital rules.  So to save the people from capital, they sacrifice 
them to the State.  Sad. Sad. Sad.

Roger Seeny
---

Landau defends "poet" Maria Elena Cruz Verela [sic], in charge of carrying out 
CIA instructions on how to organize an anti-Castro movement, and attacks 
CAstro.  Whose interests is he serving?

Carl Geiser
----

After decades of being labeled by right wing Senators and FBIniks as Castro's 
top U.S. agent, I now am obliquely accused of serving the CIA's interests. 
[...] However, the cirsis doesn't automatically convert protesting poets into 
CIA agents, or transform the Cuban political system and its press into the 
universal ideal for socialists. 

Saul Landau
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Statehood for P.R.?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 22:44:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bp523@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jimmy Gonzalez) says:

>I'm proud of Puerto Rico's democracy.  This November we saw a political
>change without blood.  I saw a nation where opposite ideas clashed without
>violence.  I don't agree with the decision, and of course, I will criticize
>the new administration when I believe it should be done.  That's my right
>as part of the minority.
>And I expect respect for this right from the NEW "majorities" in PR.  It's 
>still my right to fight for what I believe.  Without violence, but also
>without fear.
>Jimmy Gonzalez
>
Jimmy:

	No te apures... :-) Las pro'ximas elecciones las gana el PPD...
para no perder la costumbre de cambiar cada cierto tiempo... :-)

Tony


Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ritz@brtph95.bnr.ca (Charles Ritz P215)
Subject: Re: Cuba Aid Caravan News
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:11:25 GMT

    This Walker is no humanitarian:  he is a communist dupe of Fidel
Castro.  If he really wants to help the people of Cuba he would be
doing everything he could to oust Fidel.  With all the suffering and
starvation in the world, I find it just incredible that he would choose
Cuba, of all places, to send aid.  Why not send aid, for instance to
El Salvador, Nicaragua, or even Somalia?  Its obvious that this 
"aid caravan" is totally politically inspired in order to drum up
support for the Cuban dictator.
   By the way, I wonder what this guy would think if Jesse Helms organized
an "aid caravan" to South Africa.
-- 

Charles Ritz   The opinions above do not necessarily represent the
BNR, Inc       views of my employer, but they should.
Organization: Doctoral student, Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:11:36 -0500 
From: Hector Salgado-Galicia <hs1c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Mexico & Cuba


       MEXICO CITY (UPI) -- Mexico will continue to have close relations with
Cuba and considers attempts by one nation to impose their will on
another unacceptable, Mexican Foreign Minister Fernando Solana said
Wednesday.
        In a meeting with the foreign relations committee of the Mexican
Chamber of Deputies, Solana said Mexico's relations with Cuba ``will
remain normal and will not change.''
        In response to a question about the so-called Torricelli bill -- a U.
S. law which tightens its 30-year embargo on the island by fining
subsidiaries of U.S. companies in third nations which deal with Cuba --
Solana said Mexico will deal with who it wants.
        ``The commercial activities and exchanges that Mexican companies or
enterprises based in our country undertake are governed and will be
governed without exception by Mexican laws,'' Solana said.
        The foreign minister has repeatedly said Mexico is opposed to the
bill signed last month and that it will continue to maintain its
traditionally close links with the communist-controlled island.
        At the meeting with members of committee belonging to Mexico's
opposition parties, Solana also spoke about Mexico's new relations with
the Vatican and the changing role of the United Nations.
        The decision to restore diplomatic relations with the Holy See after
a break of more than 130 years is in keeping with the country's non-
interventionist foreign policy, Solana said.
        Earlier this year, reform-minded President Carlos Salinas de Gortari
reopened relations between the two states.
        Solana also denied Mexico had actively promoted reforming the United
Nations.
        ``The UN must respond with the concensus of all its members to the
challenges of a new era,'' he said. The United Nations must not become a
forum where powerful countries try to impose their beliefs on weaker
ones, he added.
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Salas
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:21:10 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Antonio writes:

>      Not only Latin-America had dictators. Not all tactics come from
>our dictators, our governments are intelligent and learn from what your
>government had done before, e.g. assasinating your own president because
>J. F. Kennedy had different opinions from the top guys in the Pentagon.

This is it!  Some freeko is actually believing that Hollywood flics are 
reality.  Now I really believe our county is sicker than expected, especially 
when whackos are truly believing the fiction they see on film and give it 
credibility.  I just hope they don't continue their political eduction with 
Malcom X.  But, for sake of argument, let's assume that any conspiracy theory 
regarding the Kennedy assasination is true.  If it is true they did a hell of a 
job concealing it, while in Latin America, military pimps are PROUD of their 
coups and DO THEM IN THE OPEN.  Just recently some folks in this net were 
saluting the "great" general Torrijos and feeling happy with the plotters in 
Venezuela, so it seems their is a difference of style (assuming the fantasies 
are true).

Edelmiro
From: rodin@acs.bu.edu (luis del)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Puerto Rico y Me'xico
Keywords: Eldelmiro
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:33:52 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: rodin@acs.bu.edu


Perdon, me estaba refiriendo a ELDELMIRO.
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:31:47 -0500 
From: Daniel Reid Helsten <dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: El modelo chileno
	<1992Nov17.080357@sicsun.epfl.ch>


>La conspiracisn se organizaba con al ayuda de USA para decorrar un gobierno
>legitimo.

Que evidencia tienes de esto?
Me parece un mito que todos crean sin razon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
From: ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Salas
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:03:11 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis


Robert,

I thought you would succeed in making some Folks confront the issues instead 
of censoring the issuer, but apparently this has not been possilbe.  First, 
they invoke the authority of language:

>Aparently, the probably imperfect command of the Spanish language does
>not allow Robert to appreciate Edelmiro posting to its full extent.  (I'm
>not criticizing your Spanish, your paragraph is almost perfect, and it
>will better than this posting in English).  

Then, they incurr in self contradiction:

>People in this forum are not
>trying to censore his ideas, if these were legitimate ideas, but he is
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>talking too much B.S. and only B.S., that he turn sick to anyone.  

Fortunately, we were both raised under a form of government where the 
distincion of legitimacy is never placed on "ideas", but many of our friends 
here and abroad don't understand this concept very well, and it is their 
experience that when someone pushes something other than the popular creed, he 
is either inmoral, crazy, or both and should be silenced.  Do not worry, this 
runs very deep in the "hispanic" tradition.  It is not the first time I have 
seen simmilar attributes placed on the word "ideas".  Not so long ago, one 
frecuently used amongs Latin-American stalinists was: "dangerous ideas".  This 
practice will be something very difficult to set aside in the minds of some 
folks.  At least there is some hope, for as you may see below, they are 
begining to recognize the benefits making use of our first amendment rights:

>I support David proposal, but if Edelmiro stop posting here, Who would be
>lighten up the discussion with all his/her non-sense?  This place will
>probably be dead boring.
>Julio (another) Arias

Regards,

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Las Falklands
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:36:14 GMT

In article <wf1MBmu00iUyA3ccMh@andrew.cmu.edu> Hector Salgado-Galicia <hs1c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) escribe:
>
>>Y eso de basarse en documentos de hace 500 a~os no es nada. Fijate que hay
>>gente que llora los indios que murieron hace como 500 a~os!!!!
>>Es mas, hay gente que depues de 500 a~os usa palabras como:
>>                      Mejicanizaxion
>> 
>>Parece que van a hacer falta otros 500 a~os para civilizar a ciertas tribus...
>> 
>
>Civilizar tribus? Me suenan a palabras del otro celebre Adolfo!!
> Y como piensas traer la civilizacion? A base de quemas de libros,
>herejes a la hoguera, hornos crematorios, epidemias o deportaciones
>masivas?
>

Parece que tenes un problemita con la lectura, no?
Civilizar es educar, no exterminar.
Como en Civilizacion o barbarie.
Lo que vos decis arriba entra dentro de la barbarie y no dentro de la
civilizacion.
Ademas, me parece que estas meando fuera del tarro. Lo que el otro
Adolfo proponia no era civilizar, asi que te diria que agarres los libros
que no muerden.
Si civilizar te suena a las palabras del otro Adolfo, parece que va a llevar
mas de 500 a~os.........

AAP 




>H. Salgado.
>