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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Irish for "twins"
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:04:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxLIJw.81B
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rogers@csnext.uchicago.edu (John D. Rogers) writes:


>I'm seeking the Irish word (or words) for "twins" and any information on  
>Irish references to twins in literature or legend.  The resources I have  
>at hand are inadequate but I'm hoping someone here has better.  Please  
>e-mail responses to the address below.  Thanks!

>--

>John Rogers
>rogers@cs.uchicago.edu


Alll I know, John, is leath-chupla (there's an accent on the e I believe)
and that means one of twins.  I can check my dictionary tho.  Maybe a gaelic
speaker (I only pick up from legends and such myself) can tell you more.


Slainte

Tara O'Shea

aka Lady Johanna Consatntine
-- 
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tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
Founder of the Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless
Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: soren@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Barratt Moy)
Subject: Learning languages
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: soc.culture.celtic
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:06:36 GMT

Hi
   I have beeen very interested in Celtic History for a long time and recently 
I decided to start trying to read things in the original languages.  So what my
question is I guess it what languages do you advise and what books do you advise
to help me learn them.  Genreally I don't care for the spoken part, as this is
sort of just for the intellectual side of it, which I suppose is bad, but now
is not the time to deal with it. :(
Well thankyou

Soren
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Tomislav rides again
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:43:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


The resident fascist sympathizer "Cro" writes:

>I would like to fill you in Rasputin (if I can call you that). The sight that
>the town of Tomislavgrad was originally called Livno. It is on a valley
>which is called Livanjsko Polje. It was the place that Kink Tomislav was
>crowned King of the Croatians. The towns inhabitants are pretty much Cro.
>I think they like the name. Since you were so nice in asking, I won't give
>you my plan for renaming towns in "Krajina".
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>-Cro...



      I suppose the following are uppermost in your demented
      husk of a mind:

      	 Category I   :  Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, Goering
         Category II  :  Pavelic, Tudjman, Pope Pius (!!) XII
         Category III :  Hussein, Khaddafi, Khomeini, Assad, Fahd
         Category IV  :  Somoza, Pinochet, Franco, Antonescu, Horthy
         Category V   :  Idi Amin, Duvalier, Marcos, Pol Pot
         Category VI  :  Batista, Zia ul-Haq, Shah Palevi
         Category VII :  Begin, Shamir, Sharon, Bokassa (sp? --
                         you know -- the famous cannibal-emperor
                         of the Central African Empire -- your kind of guy.)
         Category VII :  Suharto + a few others

So, what's the train fare from Somoza to Assad in Croat dinkels or
whatever they're called?

-- Ed
From: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Fax connection to Sarajevo
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:43:03 GMT
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Wam at ZaMir-ZG
Zagreb,04.11.92,14:42

Dear Readers of Wam's Diary,

It is again possible to reach by fax the International Peace Center
in Sarajevo, faxes sound be send to (99)8731754340 it is the
satalite fax from UNHCR in sarajevo and they promissed Ibrahim
that they will pass all faxes addresses to International Peace
centre to him. Look out it is NOT cheap.

Wam
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From: U52148@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Crow...Vatican ass-licker
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:08:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92310.090811U52148
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <720824222@locust.cs.duke.edu>, wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward
Wiener) says:
>
>>I think I'm gonna be sick...
>
>
>      You don't have a long way to go...
>
>
>>All I ever read is how Milan Pavlovic is against the independece of
>Macedonia.
>>I like to see how Serb arrogance is eloquently portrayed as shown by Milan.
>>The Serbs WILL not stop in their mad quest for Greater Serbia...
>
>
>      Right on, Crow.  Show us the evils of Greater Serbia and lead
>      us into the promised land of Greater Croatia!
>
>
>[utter refuse deleted]
>
>
>>==============================================================================
>=
>>
>>          Sirbistan Turklerinder
>>
>>          Serbia = Pashaluk
>>
>>          Kosovo = Shiqiperia
>>
>>
>>==============================================================================
>=
>>-Cro...
>
>
>I've got a better slogan, Crow:
>

>
>      Chicago Cro  =  politicheskaya prostitutka
>
>      Matanic      =  tashakoglu (Turkish for "son of a testicle")
>
>      Tudjman      =  repugnant, racist son-of-a-bitch
>
       Eddie Weener =  Fascist supporter, and kurvin sin

       The Chetniks =  Fascists, Nazis, Dorks, and countless others.

-Cro
From: wickerhauser-victor@math.yale.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Update: Croatia (nothing new...)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 12:05:11 -0500
Organization: Yale University Mathematics Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2155
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.math.yale.edu

In article <BxHnM5.7yJ@ecf.toronto.edu> blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:
>[taken w/o permission, for "fair use" only]
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>(From the Los Angeles Times, November 7, 1992. )
>
>
>"Unarmed and Unwelcome in Sector East"
>by Carol J. Williams, Times Staff Writer

[talking about the ongoing Serbian ethnic cleansing in occupied Croatia]

>"These are Manson-style murders," Negga said of the crimes that the
>civilian U.N. patrolmen are expected to investigate but have little
>authority to do anything about.  "These are things you don't come across
>but once in a lifetime, even in violent societies like the United States.
>Here, they happen by the dozens."
...
>"We get a lot of cut throats and guttings, particularly in the Baranja
>area," she said of the Serb-controlled basin between the Danube and Drava
>rivers near the border with Hungary.  "How do you understand what's
>happening when a woman is watching television and someone busts in and
>pumps 25 bullets into her face -- not one or two, enough to kill her, but
>25 -- just because she said she wouldn't leave?"
...
>But the policemen, plucked from civilian life, were prepared for routine
>liaison duties with the local police.  Few realized that they would be
>relegated to the role of helpless spectator to gruesome crimes, many
>committed by vigilantes masquerading as Serbian police.
>
>Murders are almost nightly occurrences in Sector East, where there have
>been more than 100 slayings since April.  Most are the consequences of
>"ethnic cleansing," the Serbian occupiers' grim practice of firming up
>control of their seized territory by forcing other ethnic groups out.
>Those who resist are often confronted with escalating intimidation,
>ultimately with death.
...

Can you imagine what Serbia will be like in a few years, when all
these Charlie Manson wannabes come back to no jobs?  It looks like
Serbia can look forward to a future of international shame mixed with
chaos and psychopathic criminal violence.  Ugh.

Victor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic)
Subject: r.h.f. on Panic
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:03:00 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>From: spectre@uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
>Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny
>Subject: from the Daily Illini newspaper
>Keywords: topical, smirk

In light of President Milan Panic of Yugoslavia surviving an attempt by
hardliners led by Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic to remove him by
a no-confidence vote, in the "world briefs" section of today's Daily
Illini newspaper is the headline:

	PANIC STILL REIGNS IN YUGOSLAVIA
--
From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Subject: Re: QUESTION FOR WEINER
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:14:10 GMT

ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC) writes:


>	Eddie I have a serious question for you:

>	Are your parents brother and sister? 
>	( if not are they mother and brother, or father and sister 
>	  or some other conbination of your family                 )


>	I ask this because it is obvious to many that
>	you're fucked in the head and we would like to
>	know the cause of your retardation. 


>Za Dom Spremni!
>Robert Ljubicic

Spoken like a true intellectual.

--BR
From: U52148@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Crows are croaking: Zatkni svoe zherlo, pizdun!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:04:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92310.090423U52148
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago



In article <720823509@locust.cs.duke.edu>, wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward
Wiener) says:
>
>The Crow from the south side of Chicago writes:
>
>
>>Can anyone give me CURRENT political info on my Mordva, Komi, Mari and some
>>of the others?
>
>
>      Yeah, what do you want to know, most omniscient Croat
>      nationalist?  Are you interested in the level of hatred
>      toward Russians in these republics, say, on a scale
>      of one to ten?
>
>      Or are you interested in covert Komi support to
>      Serbia and Chernogor'e?
>
>
>>Thanks ahead...
>
>
>      You're most welcome, beloved Prince of Genocide Apology.
>
>>-Chicago Cro
>
>-- Eduard Wiener


You caught me Fascist sympathizer. But The Cros don't need to enlist
anyone in our struggle against the Nazi Serbs. If you support these
new fascists, then you're no better.

Why does it dother you anyway, that I seek info on other people?


-Cro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Gschwind)
Subject: Re: M.I.L.S. - NEWS 20/10/92
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Vienna University of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:09:25 GMT

In article <9229701.7492@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:

   Macedonia for the Macedonians.
   Recognize Macedonia.

Yes - Macedonia for Macedonians, right you are. Macedonians are Greek,
however.  The entity and its citizens that you are referring to are 
better labeled 'Skopjeans' - so if you have to use chauvinistic
propaganda of the type X for Y, please make it read:

Skopje for Skopjeans.
Recognize your (Slavic) identity....

Regards ;),
mike
--

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.yugoslavia:9414 soc.culture.europe:9379 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:458
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: refugees in Serbia
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:36:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bx9ADB.CEs
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


--
[taken from SII w/o permission]

- Na danasnji dan, broj izbeglica u Srbiji iznosi 433,326 ali ih je
stvarno mnogo vise... 84% Srba, 6% muslimana, 1% Hrvata... 230,000
dece...svakodnevno u Srbiju stize 500 do 2,000 ljudi... za narednih 6
meseci treba 226 miliona dolara...
--

for those who do not speak Serbian (Serbo-Croatian, etc....), let me make a
point:

there are 433,326 refugees in Serbia at the moment. 84% of those are ethnic
Serbs, 6% are Muslims, 1% are Croats. 230,000 of those are children. for
next six months there is a need of 226 million $$ [... to support all those
people...]. There are 500-2,000 refugees arriving in Serbia daily.



Nik

P.S. these are supposed to be official data [I presume published by the
statistical department of Serbia?]
--
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 14:31:00 CET
From: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Reply-To: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Message to us from the last 5 days
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Wam at ZaMir-ZG
Zagreb,09.11.92,14:30

Dear readers from Diary,

Those who have sended messages to any of the users on Zamir-Zg in
the last 5 days are reqeusted to send those messages again, since
our harddisc crash during a power break and we lost everything from
before the last back up (only the private messages)

Thanks a lot,

wam
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From: draskovi@usc.edu (Zoran Draskovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Croatia
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:27:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun106.usc.edu


                                O P I N I O N S

        TUDJMAN'S IDEAS ARE RASCIST, SAYS U.S. ANTHROPOLOGIST    

        N e w  Y o r k, Nov 3 (Tanjug) - Ideas propounded in
Croatian president Franjo Tudjman's policies, inevitably lead to
'ethnic cleansing' and can easily take on rascist implications,
said professor of anthropology at the University of Pittsburgh
Robert Hayden, who took part in the London Peace Conference on
Yugoslavia in late August. If the idea of a nation and state as
developed by Tudjman is analyzed, then the conclusion is: 'ethnic
cleansing' which finally leads to genocide, said Hayden. The idea
of a nation as a collective entity whose members share physical
characteristics in nationally-mixed environments can easily take
on rascist implications, cautioned Hayden.
        Tudjman's variant is milder than Hitlers. It seeks national
purity within a given territory, but rascism knows no borders.
It is ominous that fascism, apart from Germany, took root during
the second world war in Croatia, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia
- all countries with large concentrations of national minorities
where the largest nationalities are greatly ambitious for
creating their own states, said hayden. The are only two ways for
these majorities to achieve their 'constitutional nationalist
states' today: by seceding the territories with the minorities
or by expelling 'the unloyal' minorities, cautioned hayden.
        Hayden believes that in the Yugoslav spaces, the road from
'state socialism to state chauvinism' has been covered.
Everywhere, or practically everywhere, the authority is in the
hands of nationalists. Sometimes, in order to win over the
western countries, these authorities have emphasized their
anti-communism (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and to a
certain degree Macedonia), while elsewhere this transformation
has been carried out in Ceausescu-style (Serbia, Montenegro).  
        When small state units are set up, they inevitably find
themselves living in a permanent state of enmity and
confrontation. This is the unavoidable by product of
contradictions in international law, which upholds
self-determination and the inviolability of borders at the same
time, said Hayden in conclusion.
From: zonjic@plains.NoDak.edu (Radivoje Zonjic (CE))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Need info on a concert...
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:33:23 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network



Hello,

Need more info on the Partibrejkers concert held on Thursday 
in Ljubljana, Slovenia. Please respond by e-mail.


Thanks,
Rade
From: pnmideast@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:06 PST
Subject: GreenLeft #79 Muslims must fight fo
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1475300384:000:2726
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!pnmideast    Nov 10 22:06:00 1992


From: <pnmideast>
Subject: GreenLeft #79 Muslims must fight for their rights


/* Written  6:30 pm  Nov 10, 1992 by greenleft@peg.UUCP in igc:greenleft.news */
/* ---------- "Green Left #79, November 11, 1992" ---------- */
`Muslims must fight for their rights'

Ifet Mustafic is the imam of the Islamic Society of Footscray in
Melbourne, where he has worked for the past one and a half years.
A Bosnian Muslim, he graduated from the Islamic faculty in
Sarajevo. He recently spoke to Green Left Weekly about the
situation in Bosnia-Hercegovina.

``When one side is well armed [Serbs] and the other side is
unarmed [Muslims], you cannot have talks. If you want to hold
talks you have to let the weaker side have the same power and
position. If you don't - and this is what the US government and
the UN is doing now by not allowing Bosnian Muslims to have
weapons to defend themselves - you help ethnic cleansing and the
occupation of Bosnia-Hercegovina by Serbia.

``Muslims were psychologically unprepared for the war because the
former Yugoslav regime for 50 years was destroying any sense of
national identity among Muslims and was attempting to convert
them to Serb nationality. In Bosnia you had no real communism,
but Serbian nationalism under a communist mask. They tried to
convert Muslims to the orthodox religion. And a lot of Muslims
began to believe them.

``Nobody will give you rights, that is the awful truth. Everyone
must take their rights. Muslims also have to take their rights.
Serbs are trying to divide Bosnia in two or three parts, but
Muslims and Croatians for now have the same target.

``What [Croatian leader Franjo] Tudjman is doing now talking to
the Serbian leader [Slobodan Milosevic] is against the interests
of his own people in Croatia, and maybe he wants part of Bosnia
just to satisfy himself after losing a third of Croatia held by
Serbia.''

Despite increasing media reports of Croatian forces turning
against their Muslim allies, Mustafic says that ``the recent
fighting between Croatian and Muslim forces in Bosnia was only
caused by a few local problems, but those are solved as far as I
know. In all Bosnian towns there are different peoples and each
wants to be on top and that causes some problems between Muslims
and Croats. But the government now has things in hand.

``After World War Two, Serbian propaganda made up a lot of lies
and disinformation and tried to establish the common thought that
Croats and Muslims cannot live together, and cannot live with
Serbs. They have used this to try to divide Bosnia in three
parts.

``The best solution is to make such a situation that all people
in all three nations can live peacefully together.''

@by right = ... Peter Anderson
From: ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC)
Subject: QUESTION FOR WEINER
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:51:26 GMT


	Eddie I have a serious question for you:

	Are your parents brother and sister? 
	( if not are they mother and brother, or father and sister 
	  or some other conbination of your family                 )


	I ask this because it is obvious to many that
	you're fucked in the head and we would like to
	know the cause of your retardation. 


Za Dom Spremni!
Robert Ljubicic
From: wam@zamir-zg.comlink.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Trip to Netherlands (in Dutch)
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:43:24 GMT
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Wam at ZaMir-ZG
Zagreb,04.11.92,15:27

Beste Mensen,

We zoeken iemand in Nederland die in de komende maand naar Zagreb komt
een aantal mensen hier van Zagreb zouden graag hun familie, gedeserteerde, 
soldaten bezoeken, maar kunnen de reis niet betalen.

Als er iemand komt zeg het alsjeblieft,

groeten,
wam

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From: wwxiong@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Translation of Jiang1Hu2
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:47:07 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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"greenwoods" is one of them.
"greenwoods outlaws" from Robinhood.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you jealous?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:09:50 GMT

>Is Voting system for democracy so admirable?
>
>Sub Q
>(1) Will voting always make sense? Majority rule always right?
>
>(2) Is voting result the best choice for all countries's development?
>
>(3) In china, so many people are not so well educated, do they have the
>    ability to decide which candidate is the best for the country? 
>
>(4) In USA how many percents voters vote really based on unbiasd policy of the 
>    three cadidates? 
>
>(5) If the chinese 9 billion peasants vote for a 'Nong(2) Min(2) Ling(3)
>    Xiu(4), Jiang(1) He(2) Da(4) Xia(3)' because of their poor education
>    or watching TV too much, do you think it's good to China, will you
>    accept the result?
>
>(6) How do you decide which cadidate telling the truth? If someone succeed
>    in cheating the people for his own profit and cause a disaster to the
>    country, .......??
>
>(7) What is most important to a country or nation? Democracy or economy
>    or education or something else? I notice the tribe people in Africa 
>    sing and dance all days to show their happiness, are you jealous?
>
>(8) Anybody out there has a very clear idea which way chinese should go?
>
>etc.
>
>These are just question, not statements.
>
>
>Yi Fang

The answer is quite obvious. Just look at ourselves as an example.
I believe every one has made thousands decisions in their life. And I
think it is generally true that when you have consulted knowledgable
friends before making the decisions you will likely to make  a good
decisions. But, if none of your friendd can give you any constructive
suggestion, you may just decide it by yourself and it is not necessary to
be a bad one. So, the point is when the majority can be consulted, listen
to them, but when the majority is not able to make any sense, why bother to
listen to them. So, the conclusion is simple, the success of democracy
greatly depends on the education of the majority and it may fail much worse
than a dictator when the majority are illiteracy.

Yi-Chieh
From: wwxiong@champ.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: E-mail to China
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:05:34 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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I heard that some company from the States used some donation money connected
BeiJing to the Internet. But the acesse is limited to in Beijing 
University and some unkown places. It will be in operation May next year.
This imfo is not very relialbe. 
I think you may want to ask internet managment about this.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china