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From: funky@nevada.edu (MATTHEW KAPHAN)
Subject: Re: Packing Lunches
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:54:17 GMT

In article <=18m0!-.rfelix@netcom.com> rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.072428.23124@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>>I've recently started working full-time, and packing lunches has always
>>seemed a boring and time-consuming job to me, but pack I must.
>>
>>Any and all hints as to how to make brown-bagging it more pleasant,
>>while keeping it low-fat, greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>>Annie
>>
>I think the best thing for brown bagging is to make pasta, potatoe or
>rice salads using non-fat yogurt or non-fat italian dressings in place
>of the fat!

[snip snip]

   When I used to brown bag, I used pasta salad.  It was pretty simple,but 
tasted great.  Try using low-fat/low-cal Honey Dijon salad dressing <I think
it's made by healthy choice>, and put some of that on some pasta.  It is
really delicious and gives you lots of energy.
 
                                        Matthew
 
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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:23:22 GMT
Subject: Exercise calorie values
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

For what it's worth, here are some of the physical activity numbers
from the HMR program that I'm on.  Unless marked with a *, the numbers
are scaled for a 150 pound person.  That is, if you weigh 195 pounds,
multiply the figure by 1.3 to get the calories per whatever.  Things
that don't scale are usually non-weight bearing activites, like
stationaryf biking and (I'm told) swimming.

Housework 100 cal/hour
Shopping (Mall crusing) 100/hour
Gardening 150/hour (assumes bending and stooping)
Walking 100 cal/mile  Tends to be 300/hour
Running 100 cal/mile (sorry, runners)  Tends to be 700/hour
Bicycling, 3 speed or mountain bike 33.333 cal/mile
Bicycling, 10 speed 25 cal/mile  (Note that these numbers seem to assume
travel on the flats.  I don't have numbers for hill climbing, yet)
Aerobics 300 cal/hour
Low intensity stationary bike 300/hour *
Racquetball 300 cal/hour
Digging/shoveling 350/hour
Cross-country skiing, flat terrain, 2.5 mph  350/hour
Tennis (competetive singles) 400/hour
Swimming 400-600/mile * not scaled
High intensity stationary bike 650/hour *
Stair climing 1050/hour.  Better number is 1 calorie/5 steps.

* Not scaled by weight factor.  Whether this is good or bad depends on
your viewpoint.

My recommendation is to use these numbers as a good first approximation.
I used the walking numbers for about 18 months and found them quite good
for me.  The bicycling numbers seem to be low for the type of terrain that
I use (I have some serious hills that I climb on weekends), but are
otherwise good on the flats.  

Hope these numbers are of use.

Pete Brooks
From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet soft drinks
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:23:55 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1992Aug13.222336.1@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu>,
jnorberg@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu writes:
> From: jnorberg@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu
> Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
> Subject: Re: Diet soft drinks
> Date: 14 Aug 92 06:23:36 GMT
> Organization: Washington State University
> 
> In article <1992Aug13.232838.29345@doug.cae.wisc.edu>,
kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Does anyone here have suggestions on which typical, store bought
diet beverages
> > taste "the best"?  I realize that expecting a diet soda to taste like the
> 
> 
> I am absolutely addicted to A&W Diet Cream Soda!!   :)
> 
> I never liked cream soda before...  but a friend talked me into trying a can
> (I was expecting it to taste just awful!), and I've been hooked ever since.
> It's even flavored with real vanilla extract!
> 
> 
> John   jnorberg@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu

I second this!  The cream soda is great!  Their diet root beer is also good.
I tend to buy the Diet Rite flavored drinks, my favorites are rasberry &
white grape...the good thing about Diet Rite is that they are the only ones
I've found that are sodium & caffein free.  If I have to choose between cola
products I choose diet Coke over Pepsi, just my preference.I am being a good
girl tho and drinking more water.  Since I have really icky water at home I
try to get my water at work...2 32 oz water bottles.

					Peggy

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          | Tektronix, Inc., Network Displays Division	      |
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Newsgroups: alt.support
From: hoppersm@infonode.ingr.com (Marcia Hoppers)
Subject: Re: Use Pattern Interrupts
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:50:53 GMT

Bob,

Thanks for posting your article on grief. It comes at an appropriate
time for me. My dad died a little over three weeks ago and this is by
far the most difficult thing I have ever gone through. Your article
really helped.

>5.  We gain perspective -- new insights, connections, find some sense of
>    meaning for ourselves in the experience.
>
>6.  We revise or restructure our life out of the experience
>
>7.  We find compassion and forgiveness
>
>8.  We undergo a transformation

I understand what you mean about some of the positive effects that these
kind of difficult experiences can have but right now my main concern is
just trying to get through day by day.

I'm sorry about your cat. I know how important pets are. In fact, I
really believe my 2 cats are helping to alleviate some of the day-to-day
stress of the past few weeks.


Marcia
hoppersm@infonode.ingr.com
Xref: sparky alt.support:1243 misc.jobs.misc:5992
From: amigan@cup.portal.com (R Michael Medwid)
Newsgroups: alt.support,alt.recovery
Subject: Re: Need Support re Job
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 20:56:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

I changed fields about four years ago..from the manufacturing side of
medical electronics to marketing/sales of medicines.  I got a career
counselor to help me.  But it was too expensive in retrospect.  It cost me
a good $3000 (Visa/Mastercard..I really wanted out of that old job!).
They were not a total scam however.  They got me into "informational
interviewing" as a means of networking and gathering information about
places I might like to actually work at.  The also did a lot of interest
testing and so on.  When I finally got to the actual job interview stage they
coached me through the negotiation process.  It turned out to be an
excellent move.  If I were to do it again I would hire the best $100/hr
career counselor around..one who knew my field and had connections.  I think
it would wind up being a lot less expensive than the set-fee operations
which advertise frequently in the help-wanted sections of newspapers.

Good-luck!

-Mike
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Intimacy
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:27:39 GMT

I may be full of it, but...

I have a friend who has never been intimate.  She can point to a
'caring' family, a string of boyfriends (and one husband), etc., yet
even though she has told me several things she's "never told another
person," she clearly has a _lot_ of earthen ramparts remaining.

For my own reason, I've offered emotional intimacy for several
years. (I have my own limitations, but my limitations are because
_I_ don't know what I'm feeling, not that I am holding something
back).  But I'm reevaluating my needs, and therein lies the problem.

Several years ago she accepted my intimacy in a unspoken bargain:
I could have emotional intimacy, but not sexual intimacy.  (A reverse
of the normal situation, it would seem...)  [I meant that in the
male/female role-model sense, but rereading it I'm struck by an
alternate interpretation!]  Since she lived 1500 miles away this
wasn't an issue.

But now I'm a lot further in integrating my sexuality, (a tip of
the hat to that molester, once again), and noticed she was 'desexualizing'
me.  I drew a boundary, stuck to it...

... and she went into panic mode.  I've read enough psychology texts
to recognize that she is in a come-here/go-away loop.  She's terrified
of further intimacy, but equally terrified of losing what she has.

The question is: what now?  The situation as it stands doesn't cut it.
I'm not just being a swine :-), I recognize that putting resources into
this relationship is probably keeping me from getting a local (and
likely deeper) relationship.  In guy talk: time to fish or cut bait.

She now lives in Dallas and intends to stay there (to remain near her
family) but seems a virtual prisoner in her apartment.  (She recently
had a car accident and later car fire, the first in 15 years, which
has severely spooked her.  Since she isn't working she rarely needs
to go out).

I live in Boulder, which she detests for unspoken (and probably
psychologically significant) reasons, although she doesn't mind Denver.
I'm certainly not leaving my job and school without a _very_ good reason.

She finally invited me to Dallas _after_ I had mentioned 1) I spent
my vacation money on computer equipment and 2) I couldn't take time
off anyway due to a deadline at work and classes starting in 2 weeks.

But in the same conversation she apologized (again) for brushing
me off when I mentioned (several years ago!) fragments of memories
of being sexually abused _and_ complimented me on storytelling.

I can't articulate why, but I get the sense she is offering the
'form' of greater intimacy (as she sees it) without offering the
'meat' of it.  Obviously I should reject the form only, but how?

Most important, does any of this make sense?  1/2 :-)


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.support,misc.jobs.misc
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: life and work
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:34:47 GMT

In article <9208042336.AA12811@apple.com> anonymous@APPLE.COM writes:
>>If you become frustrated with it as a job, then it has ceased to be
>>fun and it is time to move on.  For the now, enjoy it.
>
>This raises an important question that I have struggled with.  Is work
>supposed to be enjoyable or is it something you do because you need
>money to eat, etc?  (Especially in troubled economic times.)  I think
>if you have the luxury you should try to do something you enjoy,
>because (unless you're part time) you're gonna be there at least 8
>hours a day, but in difficult economic times you may not have that
>luxury and you have to take what you can get.

I'm not sure "difficult economic times" makes a difference.

Who I am is _reflected_ in my job and my lifestyle, but my job and 
my lifestyle do not _define_ me.

"Difficult economic times" may restrict my options in employment
and lifestyle, but they don't change _me_.

>I feel fortunate that
>I still have my job, especially since I know a lot of people who've
>lost theirs and/or are having trouble finding jobs, but I've felt
>unhappy with my job lately.  So far I haven't had any luck finding a
>new job.  The market is very tight where I live, and for personal
>reasons I don't want to relocate.

A former coworker (from several jobs back) is still working at the
grocery store across the street from my office.  However, he is an
"unemployed DoD/Ada programmer" who has thought about learning C
some time, while I was unemployed less than a month under worse
(local) economic conditions since I was an "unutilized problem
solver" who spent my afternoons hiking in the mountains on the edge
of town.  He spends his free time at the gym; I spend my free time
taking graduate classes for fun (as well as working out).

It is possible for the economy to deteriorate to the point where
people must accept _any_ job, but I don't think we're anywhere near
that point yet.  What I have seen is a lot of people who insist that
"I do X in city Y," despite the fact that there are no more jobs
fitting that tight of a description.

(On the other hand, we have, ah, leaders like Dan Quayle who thought
it was great that a (California) fast-food restaurant had a help-wanted
sign in the window.  It somehow never occured to him that nobody can
afford to live in California on a $8/hr job unless they're willing to
share a small apartment with roommates (and maybe not even then)).


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920)
Subject: Re: Need Divorce support
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.010150.12176@odin.corp.sgi.com>, steveh@okam.corp.sgi.com (Steve Hill) writes:
|> In article <2A894112.30A7@tct.com>, lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook)
|> writes:
|> |> I will soon be asking my husband for a divorce.  We have been
|> |> together
|> |> seven years and married since April 1991.  I suppose I just want
|> |> some encouragement that I won't be viewed as "damaged goods" in the
|> |> single world.  This was my first and only marriage and I'm very
|> |> unhappy that it has to end....Please be nice. I'm real sensitive
|> |> right
|> |> now.
|>

You are definitely not damaged good!  No matter what happens.  But I'd like to
just say that maybe it's not too late to give up on the relationship.  I mean 7
years is a long time.  Add to that, marriage is a serious commitment.  I sure
don't know your situation but I hope you can find a better solution than
divorce.  My wife and I have been together for 13 years and married for almost
11 (october).  We've been separated on and off for the last 2 years.  But I
love her more than anything.  She's going thru tough times and has hurt me in
a big way.  But I stuck my stake in the ground and said "I ain't gonna let
my family become another divorce statistic".  In a divorce, everybody gets
hurt somehow.  It's never without cost.  But even if you can't work it out,
you are still and individual miracle.  Keep your head high and DON"T GIVE UP!

KimmyD
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: Chris Maukonen <chris@aquarius.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: Intimacy
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: all
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.062739.5248@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU
(Bear Giles) writes:
>I may be full of it, but...
>
>I have a friend who has never been intimate.  She can point to a
>'caring' family, a string of boyfriends (and one husband), etc., yet
>even though she has told me several things she's "never told another
>person," she clearly has a _lot_ of earthen ramparts remaining.
>

Physically or emotionally or both ? (Not this is not a strange question)
One can have been married not had physical intimacy. 

>For my own reason, I've offered emotional intimacy for several
>years. (I have my own limitations, but my limitations are because
>_I_ don't know what I'm feeling, not that I am holding something
>back).  But I'm reevaluating my needs, and therein lies the problem.

I do not see this as a problem. You are changing and there fore growing.
Are you not ? 

>
>Several years ago she accepted my intimacy in a unspoken bargain:
>I could have emotional intimacy, but not sexual intimacy.  (A reverse
>of the normal situation, it would seem...)  [I meant that in the
>male/female role-model sense, but rereading it I'm struck by an
>alternate interpretation!]  Since she lived 1500 miles away this
>wasn't an issue.
>
>But now I'm a lot further in integrating my sexuality, (a tip of
>the hat to that molester, once again), and noticed she was 'desexualizing'
>me.  I drew a boundary, stuck to it...
>
>.... and she went into panic mode.  I've read enough psychology texts
>to recognize that she is in a come-here/go-away loop.  She's terrified
>of further intimacy, but equally terrified of losing what she has.

Thjis is not surprising. She feels a need for love and intimacy but is
very afraid of it. Probably because she gave it once (or more times)
and was betrade. Now she is very fearful of giving it again. 
The betrale need only be emotional to cause this. 


>
>The question is: what now?  The situation as it stands doesn't cut it.
>I'm not just being a swine :-), I recognize that putting resources into
>this relationship is probably keeping me from getting a local (and
>likely deeper) relationship.  In guy talk: time to fish or cut bait.

I think it is also time for you to ask yourself what you are getting out
of this relationship. Is it filling an emotionall need you have. 
In short ask yourself "Do I REALLY care for this person ?".

.....Stuff deleted.............
>
>I can't articulate why, but I get the sense she is offering the
>'form' of greater intimacy (as she sees it) without offering the
>'meat' of it.  Obviously I should reject the form only, but how?

You should ask yourself "Why am I envolved with this person ? Is it 
healthy ? For Me ? For her ?

>
>Most important, does any of this make sense?  1/2 :-)

Yes it does. 

>
>
>Bear Giles
>bear@fsl.noaa.gov
>


Chris
From: steveh@okam.corp.sgi.com (Steve Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Need Divorce support
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:01:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <2A894112.30A7@tct.com>, lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook)
writes:
|> I will soon be asking my husband for a divorce.  We have been
|> together
|> seven years and married since April 1991.  I suppose I just want
|> some encouragement that I won't be viewed as "damaged goods" in the
|> single world.  This was my first and only marriage and I'm very
|> unhappy that it has to end....Please be nice. I'm real sensitive
|> right
|> now.

Lenore, you will only be perceived as "damaged goods" if you feel like
damaged goods.  This phase of feeling like that may last a while, but
isn't permanent.

I had a lot of old stuff that I had to get thru/over, and the "common 
wisdom" (that I feel was accurate in my case) says that one goes thru 
a year of the "crazies."  Part of the crazies came from the fact that 
I had to discover who *I* was, as distinct from who I was as part of
a couple.  Since I didn't have a frame of reference, my "self" had
absolute flexibility ... but no anchors.  Eventually things settled
down to where the changes that are happening are only relatively small
ones, and I am becoming more and more aware of my "edges."

As my therapist told me, "Things will get worse before they get
better."
She was right ... and they got MUCH better over time!  So realise that
you will be sensitive for a while, and give yourself "permission" to be
going thru the transition.

Steve

p.s.  As a frame of reference, I was married 17 years, separated for 
three, and divorced for three.

-- 
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Time is Nature's method of keeping us from bumping into ourselves.
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: (Fat) girls just wanna have...what?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:50:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

To Libbie.

One thing though. If you close yourself off to someone who reacts to the
way you look, then you will effectively be giving that person nothing
other than your looks to go by. By not allowing them to go deeper than
your skin, you keep them on the level of your skin, right where you claim
you'd rather not have them linger for long.

As far as men who say they would fail to pursue a woman out of hand if she
were fat, I'm about at the point of saying, "Fine with me, so long as they
don't attempt to portray their preferences as being more proper or correct
than mine."

I would love to be able to know in detail, inside and out, every woman I
meet. But it is not society, but time itself, which limits this. Who has the
time to be looking into the deeper levels of everyone around them?

And as far as a woman having EVERY other characteristic which attracts me,
I have never yet met such a one. But I'm not really the kind of man who
is picky about perfection, they're the truly crazy ones.

And as far as thin women themselves go, once in a while I see a thin woman
who strikes me as attractive physically - usually those rare ones who have
the kind of soft look and the texture that is far more often found in fat
women. The labels I give to my preferences are all defined statistically,
not absolutely.

For someone who is bothered by any reference at all to their physical
being, I'm not sure I can say or do anything that will completely please
them. The most I can say is, mortal man that I am, I know of no other
way of reaching an inside without going through an outside. I cannot reach
your soul without first descending through your flesh. I cannot see the
inner mechanisms without first regarding the casing. That would take
X-ray vision, and for better or worse, I am no Superman.


-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	"A R Colter" on America Online
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Update on whitewater equipment for larger folks
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:56:09 GMT
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA

I recently discovered a new inflatable kayak that supports my weight
(270lbs).  Up to now, the only viable IK for people my size was the
Hyside Padillac, but the new Sotar II IK from Whitewater Designs
(503-476-1344) is also a good choice, though a bit expensive ($1200).

Both of these boats are stable in big water and big drops (I've taken
my Padillac down big class IV and low water class V runs), but the
Sotar has a much smaller turning radius and quicker response, as
well as being quite a bit lighter.