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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: YES RE, I AM MAKEDONIAN
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:49:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Kiro Grigorof's kid brother) writes:
* 3) Macedonian was never a region of Greece. On the contrary, Greece
*    was often subject to Macedonia. In 1913, Greece and her Balkan
*    allies partitioned Macedonia, and if today a portion of
*    Macedonian belongs to Greece, it is by virtue of an illegal
*    partition of the whole and occupation of a part of Macedonia.

And "Macedonia" would eventually decide to rectify this "illegal
partition" and reverse the partition, right?

*  MACEDONIANS AND GREEKS THROUGH THE AGES
* 
*   Throughout antiquity, the Chasia and Kamvounia mountains, Mount
*Olympus, and the vale of Tempe separated Macedonia from Greece.

I see. Is that where Kiro & Co. want the borders? Well, might as 
well, the weather sucks there (i.e. in places like Florina, Kastoria).

*   There is no evidence that prehistoric Macedonia was ever occupied
*by Greeks.

The weather sucked. They all moved to Crete.

*   The Macedonian "barbarian" defeated Greece at the battle of
*Chaeronea in August 338 B.C. and appointed himself "Commander of the
*Greeks." The date is commonly takes as the end of Greek history and
*the beginning of the Macedonian era.

So I'm Macedonian?

*        [Greece did not regain its independence until 1827 A.D.]

Ssssssh, Arxid may be listening.

* * Greece was conquered by Macedonia at the battle of Chaeronea
*   in 338 B.C.

So I AM MAKEDONIAN. BROTHER!!! BROTHER!!! BROTHER!!! Go Skopje!!

Spiroski Triantafyllopoulof (maked-o-phonics too)
--
(will someone send me a picture of the $#^%$#0z$# vergina star?)
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Happy end for the ESTONIAN question (Was: Est
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.080615.18714@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> In article <1992Dec20.134034.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>>In article <1992Dec20.010014.18712@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.
harvard.


>>I am not content with violence. And especially not with your attitude
>>to generalize kids' behaviour. Of course, I could tell you several
>>cases about how kids (and I) were beaten in Finland because they were from
>>another street, another village, another town, were members of different
>>classes, spoke another language, were gipsies/non-gipsies. One could prove 
>>anything with that kind of "material". If that's your level, you can discuss 
>>your kid stuff alone.
> 
> 	Dear Tapani, something is deadly wrong with
> 	your comprehension. You conviniently deleted
> 	the stories I wrote, 


Something is deadly wrong with your comprehension. I can't delete
anything you post, I just can make up my own postings. But I refuse
to sink to the same level of argumentation you would like to.


>       claiming that these stories
> 	are about "kids" (though in the story about
> 	Tartu U. Russian-speaking students there were
> 	no one less than 18-19 years old among assaulted
> 	or assaulters). That's like to say that
> 	the rise of neo-Nazis in Europe is "kids
> 	story". 


Actually, the neo-nazis in Germany are kids (14-21 years).
But, as I have been claiming there is no such ethnic violence as
mas phenomenon in Estonia as even in central Europe.

But the Soviet Union was a rough place and the XSU still is - I once got
assaulted by three men in Riga - should I draw some conclusions about
that? Such stories should be leaved to the courts, if necessary.


 	
> 	When someone refuses to recognize facts which
> 	displease him it is called hypocrisy, and



I am not interested in your petty skirmishes. I asked you a question,
who is "rabid nationalist" politician in Estonia. You chose your level
of argumentation, because you are poorly informed on Estonian politics
and politicians.


> 	Estonian defenders are often hypocritic, but 
> 	not always as openly as there. 


You even posted some war-monger's rumours about alleged Jewish
persecution about Estonia, which some Russian chauvinists do - because
they need an excuse to use X-SU military muscle in Estonia. I would
call THAT hypocrisy instead.


>       I don't see
> 	much sense in continuing the discussion.


Neither do I - read the previous postings: look at what kind of
arguments it started - and who wanted to give this discussion the tone
it ends with.


- Tapani Hietaniemi
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Senator D'Amato
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:28:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


From trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh) Wed Dec 16 04:45:36 1992
Subject: Letters For BOSNIA-Urgent From MPAC (fwd)

================================================================
This letter is written for G. Bush

President George Bush
The white House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, D.C. 20012

Dear Mr. President,
        The Genocide of the people of Bosnia is continuing despite
international condemnation. While your decision to implement
 humanitarian aid efforts into Bosnia-Hercegovina as well as seeking the
 tightening of sanctions against Serbia are indeed commendable, these
 actions alone will not stop the eradication of the Bosnian people. For
 this reason, we believe that the U.S. arms embargo against Bosnia must
 now be lifted.
        Well documented reports by the United Nations as well as several
 international human rights observers have shown that atrocities
 continue to be perpetrated against innocent Bosnian men, women and
 children. Yet Bosnia people, poorly armed, fed, and clothed, are
 willing to fight fiercely to defend themselves to avoid certain death
 at the hands of Serbians. While self-defense is Bosnia's right  as an
 independent  nation, we have  denied her right to obtain U.S. weapons
. Thus far, we have  stood by and allowed a nation we  recognize
 diplomatically to be extinguished. This policy must not continue.
        Your swift action in lifting the U.S. arms embargo against Bosnia
 can change the fate of the people of Bosnia-Hercegovina. What is at
 stake is the survival of an entire nation. We must not allow the people
 of Bosnia to be snuffed out.

                                                                Sincerely

Alfonse M. D'Amato
United States Senator
8<----------------------------Cut here-(C)----------------------------->8
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-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic
From: warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren)
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:40:46 GMT

junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:

>warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren) writes in
>the discussion about non-indoeuropean languages:

>>Finnish, Estonian, Lapp, and Hungarian are all Finno-Ugric languages,
>>with Hungarian (Magyar) being a somewhat separate branch - it split off
>>from the other three well over a thousand years ago.

>I thought that Lappish (saami) is not Finno-Ugric.
>Or maybe I am just getting this idea from the fact that it's origins
>are not well known.

You may be right, although a reference I saw suggested that Lappish
was more likely to belong to this group than any others.  The point
still stands: it is a non-Indo-European language, spoken on one of the
farther reaches of the European Continent.  Along with the three
above-mentioned Finno-Ugric tongues, Basque/Euskadi, and the Arabic-
related Maltese language, the rest of Europe's tongues have all been
shown to be Indo-European.  Some of these conclusions are quite recent;
the Albanian (Shqiptyr) language was finally accepted as Indo-European
not long before the end of the 19th century.

To start another thread: what European (Indo- or not) language is
considered most difficult?  Russian, Czech, and Slovak vie for the top
honors, but other languages have their intricacies.
-- 
Cherie
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From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Happy end for the ESTONIAN question (Was: Est
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:06:14 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Dec20.134034.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.010014.18712@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.harvard.

Tapani asked:

>>>WHO is a militant nationalist in Estonia? What does he/she do?

>> 	This is an easy question. I know zillion cases
>> 	when people were assaulted in Estonia by young ---
>
>------       <some Verbitsky deleted>
>
>> 	Unexpectedly, about 20 Estonian youths were
>> 	running on them from the hill and beaten
>> 	all of them without a word in explanation.
>
>----------   <ditto>
>> 
>> 	Are you content, Tapani?
>
>
>
>I am not content with violence. And especially not with your attitude
>to generalize kids' behaviour. Of course, I could tell you several
>cases about how kids (and I) were beaten in Finland because they were from
>another street, another village, another town, were members of different
>classes, spoke another language, were gipsies/non-gipsies. One could prove 
>anything with that kind of "material". If that's your level, you can discuss 
>your kid stuff alone.

	Dear Tapani, something is deadly wrong with
	your comprehension. You conviniently deleted
	the stories I wrote, claiming that these stories
	are about "kids" (though in the story about
	Tartu U. Russian-speaking students there were
	no one less than 18-19 years old among assaulted
	or assaulters). That's like to say that
	the rise of neo-Nazis in Europe is "kids
	story". People who participate in neo-nazi
	activities in Germany are of the same age
	as those Estonian youth I wrote about. 
	
	When someone refuses to recognize facts which
	displease him it is called hypocrisy, and
	Estonian defenders are often hypocritic, but 
	not always as openly as there. I don't see
	much sense in continuing the discussion.
	
	Misha.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: International Software Assignments
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:51:11 GMT
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem


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From: yuri@amath.washington.edu (Yuri Yulaev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: english russian translation program
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:04:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec14.220403.9422
Organization: University of Washington, Applied Mathematics, Seattle


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     automatic mode, semi-automatic mode  with stops by new words;
     translate sentence by sentence with possibility of correction,
     or just translate one sentence in interactive mode.
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     6553 38th Ave. NE
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean languages in Europe
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:54:13 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <92345.135438U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> U52148@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>That's what this subject is about.

It is about Europe, right?

>I was going to post the languages of
>Daghestan, but there's just too many of them!

But Daghestan is in Asia, so the question doesn't arise.

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren)
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:14:32 GMT

luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno) writes:
>In article <5319.173.uupcb@travel.com>, carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
>writes:
>>RFF>Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean languages in Europe
>>
>>Katalan in Spain
>>Gaelic
>>Finnish/Hungarian
>>Walsh
>Catalan, Gaelic and Welsh are all indoeuropean, as far as I know.
>Basque and Finnish/Hungarian are not indoeuropean.                            

Catalan is one of the Romance languages, derived from Latin.  Gaelic and
Welsh are Celtic in origin.  Thus, these three languages are all Indo-
European.

Finnish, Estonian, Lapp, and Hungarian are all Finno-Ugric languages,
with Hungarian (Magyar) being a somewhat separate branch - it split off
from the other three well over a thousand years ago.

Basque's origins are unknown - it goes back a long way indeed.  Some
suggest ancient languages like Sumerian or Babylonian.

On Malta, when they aren't speaking English or Italian, the Maltese
language is related to Arabic, and thus not Indo-European.
-- 
Cherie
warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: Mark Lipsits <ml12@cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: Blame the Victim... (by Alex Chaihorsky)
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 05: 20:56 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ml12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:17:24 GMT
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: sorry eh!
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:48:09 GMT


RICARDO FLAVIO ROMAN-CARBAJAL) writes:
> 
> Hi, How do you do? I'm a southamerican in Canada  and I got a question
> for all the people in Europe
> 
> Last week I was talking with an enviromentalist girl from Germany, here in my
> University,(she is in exchange) and when I told  her about french  Atomic 
> bombs  in the south Pacific Ocean, she Knew absolutly nothing, she told me 
> that we should've done somthing like telling the other countries about that,
> but.... boy! we've had years complaining about that and also I don't Know if 
> it is just a casuality but for long time ago (just when our complanis have 
> started) the south american countries at the Pacific Ocean coast, just we 
> need VISA to go to France
> 
> Did you Know about that?  Do you care?

1) Yes - remember them sinking the "Rainbow Warrior" (it was world-wide news) ?

2) Yes - but the French government don't take a lot of notice of foreign pressure
   groups.

Kev.

-- 
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From: alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Bugger the Nazis
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:51:50 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK


 Cretin Vorlund writes:
>In article <11972@spark.ed.ac.uk> alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Alexei Moiseyev) writes:
...
>>So far we have never had to deal with a BLATANTLY RACIST NAZI YOB on
...
>>I just cannot imagine what a tweebish shlong such as yourself is doing
>>talking of human rights.
...
>>number of low-life scum amongst its populace.  And when people like
...
>>Vorlund character.  Sure makes me glad though that Russia today is a
>>powerful and democratic country, capable of defendind itself.
...
>>themselves from the ober-stormtrooper Vorlund's views, and CONDEMN
...
>>			DOWN WITH THE NAZI SCUM,

 >  Who is talking about human rights ? 

I am bloody talking!  And so is any other decent man.

>   I think the best system would be a worldwide dictatorship lead be me.
>   I would get all the women and beer.

Fine by me.  But the proper name for people who think this is NAZI
TWATS.  So you're one.

>   This system would be the best for russians too. All you need is
>   discipline and a dictator to love.

And all YOU need is a spot of good, solid BUGGERY, matie!  And I bet,
you'll love it!

>   And yes, Alexei. Your name is in my "black book".

This is the best complement I could ever imagine.

> When the revolution 
>   comes, you will seriously regret. But don't lose all your hope. You can
>   still make a repentance and become my supporter. Perhaps I'll be
>   generous and make you my court jester. (Of course I'll have to mutilate
>   you a little to make you look funnier)

I suppose in the modern, sexually liberated era fantasies are fine.
Even if they are a touch sadistic.  But only as long as they help
people such as yourself cope with their psychological problems.

>   BTW: Russian Independence is ILLEGAL. Russia Belongs to MONGOL KHANS!

This may just be true.  But *legal* is not the issue here.  The whole
debate, as I see it, is about morality.  Something that you, being a
Nazi scum of the Earth, quite obviously lack.

Now, if you're just taking the piss, I do not think that it is a very
good idea here.  Too many people all over the world have suffered from
Racism in its various guises, for it to be a laughing matter for
anyone who has any claim to decency.  If this is not good enough a
reason for you to hold your tongue, UP YOURS MATIE!!! And Best of British!
						A.M-T.
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:52:07 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <5319.173.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) writes:
>RFF>Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean languages in Europe
>
>Katalan in Spain
>Gaelic
>Finnish/Hungarian
>Walsh
>Bavarian (just kiddin')

Just kiddin' about this one?  How about the rest?  You managed to make
four wrong guesses out of six.  Quite an achievement.

Catalan is a Romance language, Gaelic and Welsh (is that what "Walsh"
was supposed to mean?) are Celtic.  And Bavarian is Germanic, of course.

But it is true that Finnish and Hungarian are not Indoeuropean.

-- 
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* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Most difficult language
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:15:16 GMT
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany

wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) (that's me) writes:

>Latin has 6, so has Russian. Finnish has 12 (or more?) cases
                                              ^^^^^^^ it has 16 as I learnt
                                                      meanwhile :)

Wolfgang

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   Everybody needs a little love sometime; stop hacking and fall in love!
From: Steve.Hayes@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Hochberg family, 18-19 cent Silesia
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.3348.2B30C92F
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/20.0 - Unisa Editorial, Pretoria

During a discussion about Hochberg family, 18-19 cent Silesia on 12-13-92  10:35 
  said to All

 > From: kronberg@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
 > Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:19:30 GMT
 > Organization: University of California, Berkeley
 > Message-ID: <1gabi2INNfcm@agate.berkeley.edu>
 > Newsgroups:
 > rec.heraldry,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.europe,a
 > lt.revolution.counter,soc.culture.british 
 > If this is not the appropriate newsgroup or mail list,
 > or if there are alternate or additional groups/lists
 > that would be of value, please advise.

You might try soc.roots, which is concerned with genealogy and family history,
if you have not already done so.

I will also forward your message to the International Genealogy Conference on 
Fidonet.


 
... Steve Hayes, Editorial Dept, University of South Africa, Pretoria
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