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From: d90eridy@odalix.ida.liu.se (Erik Dyrelius)
Subject: Re: Brotherhood of sorcerors
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:09:25 GMT

dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows) writes:

>>>	Urvon (Torak's last disciple, taken to Hell by Nahaz)
>>	And what about Urvon's menial. I forget his name. Hara -
>>something or another. He translocated himself outside the house he'd
>>been imprisoned in.
>>	Oh, I think I remember. Haradan?

>Harakan. He was a Grolim though (a member of the Chandim, which were
>described as "a sort of secret order in the Grolim Church").

Well actually the Chandim (if I remember correctly) was some of Toraks
dogs which Urvon managed to persuade to be transformed back to human
form. They were still loyal and fierce and worked best in groups (packs).

	/Erik
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From: dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics, jpegs
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:21:42 GMT

In article <1jpplfINN9k7@shelley.u.washington.edu> starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:
>avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:
>>Could be interesting...here in Australia (as well as other places too I think)
>>Penguin is the official publisher for all his books and not Delray so we get
>>different cover art on the books (can be got around though >;).  Same thing
>>happened with the Dragonlance books here, we got Penguin stuff and not the
>>original TSR books.
>
>Yup, I've seen the Penguin covers for the Belgariad.  (Thanks, AGJ.)
>Definitely different.  Maybe in some cases better than the Del Rey covers
>(that Guardians of the West one with "Garion," "Ce'Nedra," et. al was
>pretty bad).  I'd like to see both sets of covers scanned for GIFs and
>uploaded for anonymous FTP, if possible...
>

Interesting indeed, but I think I prefer the UK cover art. I won't
post it (I only have a black and white scanner :( ), but will
concentrate on the maps inside.

Donal.
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From: tekkens@goofus.helios.nd.edu (tom ekkens)
Subject: The Tamuli
Keywords: Tamuli
Reply-To: tekkens@goofus.helios.nd.edu (tom ekkens)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:05:41 GMT


Oh Enlightened Fan Club



I have just finished The Domes Of Fire for the fourth time 
in as many weeks.  Is it just me or is the Tamuli much better
than the Elenium?  It seems the character development is much
better.

To Dave Eddings (if he reads this board):  Can we crank up the
	output speed?





tekkens@goofus.helios.nd.edu
	"What do you mean?! 'I have a complexion problem.'"
				--Torak
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From: r32554j@kaira.hut.fi (Kirsi Lindh)
Subject: Re:Belgariad pics.
Summary: Delray sux
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:09:33 GMT

>Could be interesting...here in Australia (as well as other places too I think)
>Penguin is the official publisher for all his books and not Delray so we get
>different cover art on the books (can be got around though >;).  Same thing
>happened with the Dragonlance books here, we got Penguin stuff and not the
>original TSR books.
>
>Darren.

Speaking of cover art, I think you are lucky if you have managed to
avoid the poor Delray covers. I personally like more the ones which
penguin, corgi & bantam books provide.
I have all my belgariad books with the "original" cover art. Same applys
to the four first malloreon books. Then all the bookstores in Finland
started to buy their books from Delray. I just hate it. All those
nice covers in the 9 first books.. and then the 10th is .. so bad.. And
onloy because our bookstores became Delray fanatics.. 
I never got to see what the 5th Malloreon book cover looked like.. snif!

My Elenium books are from Delray and Grafton. And even if the cover on the
one published by Grafton isn't very good (but not so bad either), it is
much more harmonic and balanced than the poor and lifeless pictures Delray
uses.

This of course is only IMHO, but I thought I'd give my 2 cents worth because
I am sooooooo disappointed in Delray..


			Very little is
			more worth our time
			than understanding
			the talent of Progress		(Stan Rice)
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From: r32554j@kaira.hut.fi (Kirsi Lindh)
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics.
Organization: Ze Blob Corp.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:47:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.141533.8638@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1k26pnINN2bo@shelley.u.washington.edu> starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:
>>wilsom4@vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Matt Wilson) writes:
>>
>>>>Speaking of cover art, I think you are lucky if you have managed to
>>>>avoid the poor Delray covers. I personally like more the ones which
>>>>penguin, corgi & bantam books provide.
>>
>
>Yes. I agree with this (nameless) poster. Will people please leave in
>the attribution lines if at all possible, as it makes it much easier
>to follow a thread.
>
Sorry.. was my posting.. i screwed something up.. Still don't know what it
was.. 

-Kirsi
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			Very little is
			more worth our time
			than understanding
			the talent of Progress		(Stan Rice)
From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Hardcovers
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:16:34 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Just yesterday, in one of the local bookshops, I saw 
a poster, advertising Belgariad hardcovers, ordered on 
request, on sale since Jan, 93.....

I was wondering if this is a local whatsit or what???

Eccles
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From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: wonko
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:02:32 GMT

They call me Ren (kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: here's a question that's been bugging me for awhile:

whoa, sorry about that folks.  i have no idea how, but my newsreader posted
this article here instead of where it belongs (alt.fan.douglas-adams).  please
accept my humble apologies.  how humiliating!

karen
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kewasielewsk@amh.amherst.edu   |   butterfly, dreaming that he was a man.
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From: Erik Schwiebert <evs1@cornell.edu>
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Subject: Re: Elenium--Bhelliom
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:06:06 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
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In article <1993Jan25.134708.15145@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Donal K. Fellows,
dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.011809.1@max.u.washington.edu>
zen@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan24.194349.9704@athena.mit.edu>, seung@athena.mit.edu 
>(Seungtaek L Choi) writes:
>>> the process in which the Bhelliom is created is described.  It says
that the
>>> Troll, (forgot his name) carves the Bhelliom and then carves the
control rings
>>> out of the same piece of sapphire as the Bhelliom.  How come then is
the Bhelliom
>>> blue, while the control rings are red?  I would really appreciate the
answer to
>>> this question.
>>
>>      In the prologue of The Ruby Knight there is a part concerning the
>>the original Sparhawk and Antor the king.  It goes on to describe how 
>>after a battle a hooded Styric women tended them and gave them a pair
>>of rings which came to symbolize their friendship.  "Tradition has it
>>that the oval stones set in the rings were as pale as diamond when the
>>two recieved them, but that their mingled blood permanently stained the
>>stones, and the appear to this day to be deep red rubies."
>>   
>
>The stones (originally part of the Bhelliom) had the blue colour
>removed from them by the main part of the Bhelliom itself (when they
>were made), and were stained red by the iron in the blood of the
>original Sparhawk and King Antor. (It is this iron which gives
>Sparhawk his power over the stone)

also, in _The Sapphire Rose_, when Aphrael took Sparhawk et al to her
"temple" in the "dream," she kept trying to explain concepts of iron,
elements, etc to the chars.  somewhere in that section, she explains WHY
the rings are red, and why that gives Sparhawk his power over Bhelliom. 
as far as i can remember, both Zen and Donal are right, in that blood
from sparhawk's ancestors stained the stone (* i've always wondered how
blood could stain a stone as hard as a sapphire??  :)  *) and it is this
ancestral link that gives Sparhawk control....
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From: wai@unixg.ubc.ca (David Wai)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: SciFi FTP Site
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:00:08 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: net
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With regard to looking for an FTP site to store the pictures, and as a
general interest note to the readers, there is an anonymous FTP site
dedicated to the SciFi/Fantasy genre.  The address is:
    gandalf.rutgers.edu

Specifically, if anyone wants to inquire about uploading anything
there, I think the appropriate address to contact is:
    sf-lovers-request@rutgers.edu

-- David Wai
From: patricia@cs.utexas.edu (Patricia M. Burson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:02:52 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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forwarding this for a friend
-pmb

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:17:15 SET
From: Ralf Huels <USTD83%unidozr.hrz.uni-dortmund.de@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Subject: alt.fan.eddings: re:Belgariad pics

Hi!

In article <lmavc5INNiu9@earth.cs.utexas.edu> patricia@cs.utexas.edu (Patricia M
>I think what bugs me the most is that (almost) everybody who read the first
>  two books is going to read the third.  This "exploding the author" tactic
>  seems like it's aimed at new readers, and they aren't likely to buy a whole
>  set of three just 'cause the third was a bestseller - at least *I* wouldn't!

I frequently have problems with the fact that I like to read english and
american novels in their original language, as translations usually aren't
very good. English/american paperbacks however are somewhat difficult to
obtain here in Germany. Usually bookstores have some selection of bestsellers
(Clancy, King etc.) or classics. My local bookstore used to have Sorceress of
Darshiva on display in their english book section for months, while I had
to order the rest of the Malloreon. Now that can't be too good a strategy
for marketing serial novels, can it? Who would buy the fourth (or was it the
third?) part of a series in a foreign language, without having read the first
part?. After I ordered Guardians and Demon Lords from that same store
they had those same books on display. Seems they simply process any order
twice, and use the extra copy for their regular "selection".

Concerning the cover art:
Pawn and Queen started off fairly well. The covers showed the maps of the
regions in which the books were set (Arendia and Nyissia) superimposed
with drawings of persons that might vaguely be identified with characters
from the plot (not as good as the DelRey covers though).
After that Knaur (the publisher) seems to have employed a new art director,
as Gambit, Castle, and Endgame have cover art of the heroic battle/mystic
beast/luscious babes variety.
"Gambit der Magier" for instance shows a Mage in his tower, conjuring a
small yellow demon in the shape of a nude woman plus devil's horns and
tail, while a huge translucent demon in turn seems to conrol the Mage
from the background. Anyone care to tell me, where in the story I
missed that scene?

The Malloreon was published by a different company with the cover art of the
Corgi edition.

As for my statement about translation, consider the title "Pawn of Prophesy"
which was translated as "Die Prophezeihung des Bauern" i. e.
"The peasant's prophesy" . Chess pawns are called Bauern in german, which is
also the word for peasant. There is now a new translation "Kind der Prophe-
zeihung" -- "Child of prophesy" which is a little closer, but still.

                               Tschuess, Ralf

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From: wilsom4@vccnorthe.its.rpi.edu (Matt Wilson)
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:26:03 GMT

>Speaking of cover art, I think you are lucky if you have managed to
>avoid the poor Delray covers. I personally like more the ones which
>penguin, corgi & bantam books provide.

I'm sorry, I'm a great fan of Edding's work, but this discussion on
the cover art for the books is tedious. I have to ask who cares? 
The whole idea in reading a book is to enjoy the images and the 
characters that are really made up in your own head. Television
for the mind. If you need to quibble about pictures...try 
alt.picture-books

Again, sorry if I've offended...

Matt
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From: wai@unixg.ubc.ca (David Wai)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:36:36 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <lmavc5INNiu9@earth.cs.utexas.edu> patricia@cs.utexas.edu (Patricia M. Burson) writes:
>regarding disappointing DelRey covers:
>Is anybody else mad about what they did with the "Sapphire Rose" cover?
>For those of you who may not have seen it, the hardcover jacket was designed 
>  just like the 1st 2 books: author and title at top, with picture taking up 
>  approximately 3/4's of the cover.  Then on the paperback they blew up the 
>  author and title to take up 1/2 the cover, added "New York Times bestseller" 
>  or some such, and on the bottom 1/4 of the cover printed the part of the 
>  picture that fit.
>I think what bugs me the most is that (almost) everybody who read the first 
>  two books is going to read the third.  This "exploding the author" tactic 
>  seems like it's aimed at new readers, and they aren't likely to buy a whole 
>  set of three just 'cause the third was a bestseller - at least *I* wouldn't!

Don't sweat it too much.  Like you pointed out, it is only a promotional
gimmick.  People who have bought the first two books will continue to buy
the last one, and new readers get to know about this "wonderful, best-
selling author" who has finished another series.

However, printing the author and title stuff in the raised, embossed style
costs money, and paperbacks do not generate enough revenue to make up the
cost.  So, it is only done for the first printing (or first couple).  Then,
the cover should revert back to one like the previous two books (with a
full picture, yah!).

I, too, hate this promotional edition.  That's why I'm waiting for a later
one before I buy it.  (BTW, this has happened for some other books before.
The exact book escapes me, but they all became "normal" in succeeding
editions.)

-- David Wai

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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: Eddings based MUSH?
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:16:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.223737.20350@ida.liu.se>
d90eridy@odalix.ida.liu.se (Erik Dyrelius) writes:
 
>
>dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth) writes:
>
>>Actually, there is an important difference between Macros and Eddings'
>>sorcerers.  Garion and the others *can* be killed.  Macros cannot.  Even
>>the Valheru (read _A Darkness at Sethanon_) couldn't do it when they were
>>acting collectively.
>>--
>
>Ah. I wasn't really comparing the arts of the sorcerers, but rather the
>burden of being able to go on living for ever. Macros made a choice which
>he sometimes regretted, his father was cursed by a sorcerer. But the issue
>is that such a burden (of life) could be very tempting at some times, like
>Shakespear puts it:
>        Hamlet, prince of Denmark: Act 3 Scene 1
>
>                        To die, -- to sleep:--
>To sleep! perchance to dream:-- ay, there's the rub;
>For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
>When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
>Must give us pause.
>
>        /Erik
 
Remember how in Tolkein, Death was called by the Elves "the Gift of
the One to Men;" we die and our souls leave the world; Elves, although
they do not die naturally, can be killed--their bodies are matter, and
matter can only take so much abuse--but even when their bodies die, their
souls must remain in the world forever, and from their point of view the
fact that we can "leave the circles of the world, and beyond them there is
more than memory" is a source of wonder.  Indeed, in the dialog between the
Numenoreans and the representatives of the West shortly before the downfall,
the latter--it is not clear if they are Elves or Maiar--say that they do not
understand why Men fear death.
 
 
 
Another Rust-Belt Yankee Exile in Charlotte!
 
Any opinions expressed are mine, not those of the Atkins Library.
 
Bruce Alan Wilson ali00baw@unccvm.uncc.edu
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From: d90eridy@odalix.ida.liu.se (Erik Dyrelius)
Subject: Re: Eddings based MUSH?
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:37:37 GMT

dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth) writes:

>Actually, there is an important difference between Macros and Eddings'
>sorcerers.  Garion and the others *can* be killed.  Macros cannot.  Even
>the Valheru (read _A Darkness at Sethanon_) couldn't do it when they were
>acting collectively.
>--

Ah. I wasn't really comparing the arts of the sorcerers, but rather the
burden of being able to go on living for ever. Macros made a choice which
he sometimes regretted, his father was cursed by a sorcerer. But the issue
is that such a burden (of life) could be very tempting at some times, like
Shakespear puts it:
	Hamlet, prince of Denmark: Act 3 Scene 1

			To die, -- to sleep:--
To sleep! perchance to dream:-- ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause.

	/Erik
From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgariad pics, jpegs
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:41:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:

>Could be interesting...here in Australia (as well as other places too I think)
>Penguin is the official publisher for all his books and not Delray so we get
>different cover art on the books (can be got around though >;).  Same thing
>happened with the Dragonlance books here, we got Penguin stuff and not the
>original TSR books.

Yup, I've seen the Penguin covers for the Belgariad.  (Thanks, AGJ.)
Definitely different.  Maybe in some cases better than the Del Rey covers
(that Guardians of the West one with "Garion," "Ce'Nedra," et. al was
pretty bad).  I'd like to see both sets of covers scanned for GIFs and
uploaded for anonymous FTP, if possible...

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From: seung@athena.mit.edu (Seungtaek L Choi)
Subject: Elenium--Bhelliom
Keywords: 
	I have a question.  In the first book of the Elenium, The Diamond Throne,
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:43:49 GMT

the process in which the Bhelliom is created is described.  It says that the
Troll, (forgot his name) carves the Bhelliom and then carves the control rings
out of the same piece of sapphire as the Bhelliom.  How come then is the Bhelliom
blue, while the control rings are red?  I would really appreciate the answer to
this question.
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From: jeffreyw@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Jeffrey Wood)
Subject: Re: The Tamuli
Keywords: Tamuli
Reply-To: jeffreyw@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Jeffrey Wood)
Organization: RHBNC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:39:11 GMT


Personally, I much preferred all three of Eddings' previous series to "Domes of
Fire".  I just didn't think there were enough original ideas in DoF to justify
writing it.  You may be right about the character development, but without an
interesting plot such as in the Elenium, the book in my opinion is bottom of
the Eddings list.
    Sorry to send such a negative view to this usually so optimistic newsgroup,
	Jeffrey Wood
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From: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Subject: belgar5.jpg
Originator: jhpace@c00733-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: jpeg, problem
Reply-To: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:51:19 GMT


All of Timo Kokkonen's pics have been of excellent quality, but I can't seem to
convert the belgar5.jpeg.  I saved the files for it like the others, and then
used uuconvert to incorportate it, but it only saves at about a tenth of the  
size that the other jpegs have, and when I used xv it says " unexpected marker
0xd9 in compressed data."  Any clue why this happens?  I was planning to make
a jpeg of all of the books combined for a background...

Thanks in advance for any useful assistance.

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From: wai@unixg.ubc.ca (David Wai)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Map gifs.
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:27:30 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1993Jan20.160210.26014@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:

[stuff about scanning maps/cover art]

>If I was going to do a proper job of this, I would need to put them
>all in a ftp site somewhere. Does anyone know a good place?
>
>Also, do you prefer gifs or jpegs? Both are equally easy (as the
>scanner produces tiffs and I am not going to post those! :), but I
>would prefer to post jpegs as they are much smaller, and fit in fewer
>posts.

Yes, JPEGs are smaller, but GIF is a much more command standard.  I
would greatly prefer GIF format. As to an FTP site, I wanted to look
for one but don't have the time.  Suggestion: trying 'grep'ing for
"sf" in an anonymous FTP site list.

-- David Wai