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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:52:48 GMT

In article <BzAr0B.4Jy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.194426.11977@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos) writes:
>there.  It is not "impossible" and actually, due to this, has SOME likelihood.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

AFU motto of the week?

		-- Stewart "just how many mottoes (motti?) do we need
				anyway?" Tame

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:33:09 GMT

smidt@fy.chalmers.se (Peter Smidt) writes:
: In article <1992Dec12.034414.15916@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
: >	There is simply no connection between strychnine and LSD.  One is
: >a drug, the other is a deadly pest poison.
: 
: LSD is a deadly poison too. Take a spoon full... Strychnine will reduce
: pain to athletics and is therefore forbidden.

Do you have documentation for either of these claims? 

How many grams of lsd can you put in a teaspoon? What is the LD50 for
humans? Do humans react differently to lsd than elephants or rats?

How can strychnice reduce pain? Wouldn't the fact that it is a CNS 
stimulant mean that it would make pain worse?

Bill "Just a few questions, some serious" Nelson
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 14:26:17 CST
From: <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken

I bevieve that there are cases when lsd can be absorbed through the skin.
This, however, would not be dependant on the lsd.  It would be dependant on the
SOLVENT the lsd was in.  It is known (no- i have no god dam sources.. turn the
flame thrower off.. :) hehe, anyway) that certain solvents will go through the
skin.  If you want an example we can look at the hospital emergancy room.  Hear
t attack victims are often treated with a patch that contains (its a common med
icine prescibed to people with heart problems) a medicince and a solvent that a
llows the medicine to travel through the skin.  I know this because I ASKED,alr
ight... no sources no page numbers put your card catalougs away.  Anyway, conce
pt is that the solvent which can pass through the skin lends this ability to ls
d which has a lesser skin solubility than the solvent.
note #1: water, sweat, saliva... these are all solvents for lsd and may be able
 to carry it though the skin.  Legen may have started because many people were
makeing lsd in the 60's.  I bet some of them may have used such a solvent in th
ier lsd.  solvents do not neccessarily have to evaporate readily like either or
 ever water 4 that mater.

note #2:  Recently people have been flaming me.  They seem to be interested in
the way i type (rather badly) and the validity of my postings.  First of all...
I have been connected to a computer keyboard for a long time, and never did rea
lly nearn how to type.  Secondly, I usually don't post things that i am not rel
etively sure about (sterio chem thing still embareses the hell out of... i was
thinking cis trans for some odd reason).  and most importantly, I really don't
enjoy spending time transcribing references from the backs of books!  books whi
ck most of the time i don;t even have with me.  this does not make me a lazy/st
upid person.  I don't expect people to print out what i type and try to di a sy
nthesis ether!  It is not posting incomplete directions that makes one suicidal
, it is using them!

I hope this clears a few things up (and shuts a few things up).

malcalypse - slightly pissed by the relentless onslaught of two "high and might
y" indivisuals.
"time to go kill lunch"
"MOM, get the .22 i think that hamburgers gonna make a run for it!"
mom never was able to cook.  a sad but true reality of life.
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From: mch6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Huitzilopochtli)
Subject: Re: Marijuana Effects
Keywords: Marijuana Effects
Reply-To: mch6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:49:19 GMT



Well, if this isn't the real reason, Chad gets my vote for Bullshitter of the year!
--me earlier--> :-( -----time passes---------me now-------> :-)

paz. thanks for your indulgence
From: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Shrooms
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:29:05 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
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In article <Bz61yt.EHq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, manderso@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson mark david) writes:
>chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:
>
>>I've never shroomed before, and I'm going to have the chance to do so around 
>>Christmas.  I was wondering if anyone can give me a tip on first-time 
>>dosage, or anything else.  Also, I believe they're going to cost either $100 
>>for a half-oz. or 100 for an oz.  I can't remember.. 
>
>I'd say for your first time don't take much more than two grams...  As far
>as the cost goes, you shouldn't pay more than $80-90 for a half-ounce.  $100
>for an ounce would be an _incredible_ bargain...  :)
>
Wow, I never had to buy shrooms before.  Just always picked them myself.
I guess some areas just aren't as lucky....

Later....
Dave
st1qb@jetson.uh.edu

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From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:52:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.200820.2252@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>The belief in doses being that large is another urban legend. They are
>still about the same now as then - anywhere from about 20ug to 150ug. I
>believe the average is about 50-60ug.
>
>Bill

Untrue! The fabled "orange sunshine" was kept at a measured dose of 250 ug.
Acid back then was in considerably higher units. (source: _Acid Dreams_).

--Erik

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ebail@ctp.com | (617) 374-8418                     | mine, not my employer's.
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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:08:09 GMT

sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith) writes:
>>: I don't think there is any clinical data on such huge doses.  As other
>>: posters have mentioned, LSD is not physiologically harmful.  "Street"
>>: acid is, however, usually mixed with strychnine.
>
>>Bullshit. Try reading the FAQ.
>
>Presumably, you are refering to the strychnine.  The AFU FAQ doesn't
>mention it; I've never seen an AD FAQ.  That seems to have stirred up a
>bit of trouble.
>
>Anyway, back before the War on Drugs became the Moral Equivalent of
>Communism, LSD was common on college campuses.  Several groups analyzed
>street drugs and published the results in an assortment of
>"underground" newspapers.  Very useful to find out what you *really*
>bought ....  *Every* analysis of "street" LSD that I saw contained
>strychnine.  Supposedly it was added to "intensify the high".
>Quantities were *way* below the poisonous level.  You probably wouldn't
>want to take 5000 hits at once, though.
>
>Official analyses that I've seen just check for illegal ingrediants.  I
>haven't seen independant analyses of street drugs in a good long time.
>Don't know if I'd trust them, the way the WOD crowd works ("You have
>illegal drugs.  We could sieze your whole building and everything in
>it.  Here's what you're going to say ....").

PharmChem 1972-1978.  They found strychnine passed off as amphetamines
(QED they did test for it) but never found one sample of LSD laced with
it.  And lacing blotter with strychnine is silly and stupid and no chemist
good enough to make acid would ever do it.  Yeah, back in the 60's and
early 70's (hell maybe even today) there could be strychnine laced LSD
sold in powder or liquid form.  But blotter just isn't going to have any.
Also, are you sure you are remembering correctly?  I'd expect strychnine
to turn up more often in cocaine or heroin samples...
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: jamesp@cs.uwa.oz.au (James Pinakis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and violent behavior. Yes.
Date: 10 Dec 92 13:03:09 GMT
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.

In <1992Dec8.083556.1@wharton.upenn.edu> mccoy39@wharton.upenn.edu writes:

[Depressing story deleted]

>I wouldn't believe it if he hadn't been such a close friend.  Some of the
>journal articles on LSD indicate that the bad reactions are especially
>common in people with Manic-Depressive (Bipolar) Illness.

How does one know if one is a manic-depressive?  Would one have previously
had some kind of bad experiences?  Is it possible to be latently
manic-depressive?

james
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From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Pot Stuff
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:23:21 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Dec18.005227.17062@seq.uncwil.edu>, session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:
> an2509@anon.penet.fi writes:
> 
>>Second, is it a bad idea to use common writing/computer paper for rolling
>>joints because they might put nasty chemicals in the smoke from whatever
>>bleaches or other chemicals they retain from manufacture?
> 
> Yes.

Given the very nasty chemicals already present in tobacco or 
marijuana smoke, I doubt anything in the paper should cause 
further concern, unless the taste is adversely affected.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)
> 
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From: tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget)
Subject: Re: Why I don't like MDMA
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:34:19 GMT

seger@cognet.ucla.edu (Carol Seger) writes:
>that I could explain my reasons for doing it so well on MDMA that 
>he would understand and approve, and that was one of the reasons
>that I went ahead and did it over his objections. Later, I 
>explained my reasons on MDMA and he did understand -- until the 
>drug wore off. Afterwards in real life he was still just as hurt 
>as he had been before. Clearly I had unrealistic expectations, but
>I maintain that at least for me MDMA is misleading and not clear.

I'm glad you realise it, but for the record: using drugs to solve
your personal problems is almost never constructive (I've tried too).
A personal problem is a hurdle in your life to be overcome, and using
drugs to do that is self-defeating. I also have become somewhat
disheartened with MDMA, although I haven't done it for a few years now,
but I would probably do it again today. Recently I've seen that drugs can
be a constructive influence in your life, so long as you don't expect
too much - they're just chemicals. Sure they do some amazing things
and can make life fun, interesting etc. Sure they also have their
down side (coming down off X isn't much fun, or speed for that matter)
and YES, you can learn a lot from them. But *don't* take drugs, thinking
that they'll fix up your life - that's your job! (and fixing your life
on your own is the ultimate rush...)

I think I am (generally) echoing your sentiments, so I'll say no more.

Gadget (tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU)

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From: craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig)
Subject: LSD scarcity. was Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken
Summary: harder to find than it was
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:03:00 GMT


I wonder if this is a common situation elsewhere on this continent, or in the
world for that matter.  As of late, (last year or so) acid has become increas-
ingly difficult to find in these parts.  I've heard of people paying $10(Cdn)
per hit for several of them.  Other people say that they can get a hold of it
for $5, but as usual, they are more talk than anything.  Not that long ago
(a couple years back), it was possible to buy acid for $2 or $3 a hit, for
quantities of 20 to 30 hits (whidch isn't at all difficult to get rid of if
you have a few friends who trip), and $4 to $5 for singles from some guy
you don't even know.  Has the supply been reduced?  People more worried
about getting caught for possesion of acid, due to raised penalties?  More
demand among the new wave of college students?  I don't know, but the
days of cheap acid (among other things) seem to have passed.  Anyway, just
something to think about.
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Subject: Cocaine Questions (Biology/Biochem)
From: blom@husc15.harvard.edu
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:00:39 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

EXACTLY how does cocaine affect the nervous system?

What stereoisomers, if any, are the most active?

What part of the molecule gives it its properties?

What parts of the molecule could be altered slightly to produce analogous
compounds?  Could any of these be stronger than the "real thing?"
From: louie@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn A Luman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Shroom info needed
Date: 14 Dec 1992 08:27:54 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Can anyone tell me where any FAQ's or information on 'boomers' may
be located, or if anyone has any info on the effects or any general
info at all on them please post or mail!

-- 
  Shawn A. Luman   | "Instead of all this energy and effort directed at
       ---         | the war to end drugs, how about a little attention
louie@matt.ksu.edu | to drugs which will end war?"  --Albert Hoffman
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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: What drug is Internet most similar to?
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:55:06 GMT

 cucem@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Mattingly) writes:
>I was asking a friend of mine who has used acid in the past about it and
>he said that you can't get it anymore and that all the people that talk
>about it are really taking strychnine or something else, but not lsd. Is
>this true?

No, not strychnine.

>  Also, what's strychnine like?

Deadly.  I'd have much more deceased friends if there was strychnine in
LSD.

>James Herriott said it
>amplifies sensory inputby such an extreme factor that a dog who had
>eaten strychnine (back before regurgitants were included in rat poison)
>had to bekept in a dark room that was kept completely silent, since any
>light or sound would so frighten the dog that his whole body would go
>into spasms of an almost lethal severity.

Yeah, convulsions in response to tactile or auditory stimulation.  That
doesn't mean that the sensory amplification has anything in common with
LSD (in fact since LSD doesn't cause convulsion, that would tend to
suggest that the sensory amplification is different, wouldn't it?).

N-acetyl-LSD, DOB or an iso-LSD/LSD mixture may be sold as LSD, but nothing
at all like strychnine is sold as LSD. 

>>What drug is Internet most similar to?
>
>Alcohol.  There's lots of it, and it makes you stupid.

Opium.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:27:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.173309.3658@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>smidt@fy.chalmers.se (Peter Smidt) writes:
>: In article <1992Dec12.034414.15916@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>: >	There is simply no connection between strychnine and LSD.  One is
>: >a drug, the other is a deadly pest poison.
>:
>: LSD is a deadly poison too. Take a spoon full... Strychnine will reduce
>: pain to athletics and is therefore forbidden.
>
>Do you have documentation for either of these claims?
>
>How many grams of lsd can you put in a teaspoon? What is the LD50 for
>humans? Do humans react differently to lsd than elephants or rats?
>
>How can strychnice reduce pain? Wouldn't the fact that it is a CNS
>stimulant mean that it would make pain worse?
>

Two small factoids (and no, PvdL, I'm *not* snoping...). LSD is almost
inert in a biochemical sense. No-one has ever found a mechanism by which it is
directly toxic (according to the toxicology textbooks available to me,
anyway). That doesn't really matter, of course, because if you take too much,
or too often, then you end up like a cabbage (well, a good impression of a
catatonic schizophrenic, actually, but that's close enough).

Second, strychnine *was* used as a stimulant for athletes, especially in
Victorian times, when walking marathons were big money. It's not actually a
general stimulant, more a neuromuscular facilitator, which reduces fatigue and
enables the athlete to continue past the point at which further performance is
normally impossible. Several deaths were documented from dose misjudgement
(small TI), and can be found in back issues of the BMJ (around the turn of the
century). Its use has been discontinued, because far better, safer stimulants
are available today, but it *is* still on the list of proscribed substances
(grab a copy of your AAF's banned substances list...).

On the subject of pain relief, that wasn't what it was used for. Anyone who's
competed at any significant level will know that fatigue pain isn't a
consideration, that only function matters. Strychnine prolonged the
sustainable effort window, pure and simple.

Later,

The Wisp [it makes typing a bit difficult, though...]
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Libertarianism --PLUS-- An Apology
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:21:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
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In article <ZL4gVB2w164w@cellar.org>, dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud) writes:
  
|> |> Vlad: "Another example. Libertarians believe that parents are 
|> |> smart enough to decide what's good for their own child and which
|> |> school to send him to. The liberals believe that freedom of
|> |> school choice will diminish the power of 
|> |> Government and Teachers Unions over the American public
|> |> and oppose such freedom of choice."
  
|> Another flame, another load of bull. Many "libertarians" like 
|> Vlad slander any and everybody with a point of view different
|> from their own.

Another ad homenim attack.  If it's bull, say *why*.

|> Little wonder that Libertarians are perceived as being a bunch of
|> ultra-conservative loonies. 

Just like those ultra-radical psychoactive drug loonies.

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Xref: sparky alt.drugs:19598 alt.folklore.urban:30991
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 14:34:52 CST
From: <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
 <1992Dec11.003942.190@Cadence.COM> <lilf61INN8so@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
 <1992Dec13.181635.21958@ultb.isc.rit.edu>

There is a leathal dose of ANYTHING (with the exception of air)  You can OD and
 die if you drink rediculouly sarge amounts of water even ()it washes the salt
out of your system).  I think thaat were trying to get at- it is very very hard
 to OD on lsd and you would have to take an UTTERLY rediculous amout. say some
large percentrade of your body wieght (1%..2%)

  malcalypse -the above is pure speculation (there have been documented cases o
f water death!)
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From: akhanna@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: personal problems
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:08:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.002319.9000@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
> 
>>     At this point, I don't know what I can do further.  It not something
>>that is going to cause us to split up, but it is somewhat a major obstacle,
>>as I find it difficult to be together with someone who does not accept
>>what I consider an important thing in my life.  I welcome any suggestions.
>>Thanks in advance.
> 
> 	What do you need her for anyway?  Dump her.
> You've got acid to expand your mind with.  What girl could
> compare to a drug like acid?
> 
> Now that you mention it, fuck that acid shit too, just shoot smack.   
> Then you won't need acid or a girl.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 	The serious answer is:   She is who she is.  You can't have
> it both ways.
> 
> 	If you were Jeff Dahmer, complaining that your girlfriend is
> Jewish and won't accept you as a cannibal because she thinks it isn't 
> kosher, the answer wouldn't be to try to make her change.  The answer
> would be that you are the one who needs to change, or that you simply
> need to find a girlfriend who is compatable. 
> 
> JD
look y'all.
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: INFO: Coolcard pipe
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:28:17 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

hoeven@fenk.wau.nl (Joost vd Hoeven) writes:

>I just bought a new pipe, it's as big as a creditcard and is very thin.
>The pipe consists of 3 metal parts and 2 rubber/magnetic parts.
>The smoke is leaded through "chambers", these chambers are cut out of 
>the rubber/magnetic parts, they have a total length of 21 cm.
>The smoke condenses on the cold metal, and a lot of dirty stuff 
>sticks to the metal parts, you can easily clean it, you just take the 
>parts of each-other, and rub them with paper and cleaner.   

Sounds cool !!


>On the back it says : Rauchen gefa^hrdet ihre gesundheit, so it must
>be manifactured in Germany originaly.

I think that translates into "Smoking makes you [cough and] sneeze."


-- richard

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