HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: victor@jezebel.wustl.edu (Victor Wickerhauser)
Subject: US recognizes Croatia, Slovenia, and Bosnia-Hercegovina
Summary: America, what a country
Keywords: bubbles,congratulations
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:38:30 GMT

  Congratulations to:

	Croatia, Slovenia, and Bosnia-Hercegovina
		for achieving recognition, as free and independent states,
		from the United States of America
		and the European Economic Community;
	and the United States of America
		for seeing the truth, and doing the right thing.


      o        
         o      
    |       |   v                                 
    |  O    |	Zivjela Hrvatska!                 
    |~ ~ ~O~|                                     
    |   o   |   v                                 
    \ o  o  /  	Zivjela Slovenija!                
     \ o   /                                      
      \   /     v                                 
       \ /     	Zivjela Bosna i Hrcegovina!       
        |                                         
        |       v                    v            
        |      	Zivjela Sjedinjene Drzave Amerike!
     ___|___ 


Regards and felicitations,
Victor
------




Prof. M. Victor Wickerhauser                   <victor@jezebel.wustl.edu>
Department of Mathematics, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130 USA
Telephone:  USA(314)935-6771, USA(314)727-0749;     FAX: USA(314)727-4963
Sto se ljuckim trudom uzdignulo, Ljuckim znojem jopet se ponavlja. --Medo Pucic
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: MAN, I'M REALLY PISSED!
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:22:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr13.012259.11031
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Shit!  Something is wrong with my newsgroup editor.  I can read the postings,
but when I press the "F" button to actually respond to them, I only get
an empty "vi-editor" screen.  I guess I'll have to ask one of the assistants
in the computer room for help.  In the meantime, all my declared and  
undeclared "enemies" can have all the fun they want on "soc.culture.yugoslavia."

Regards,

Andrej
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: maledvij@IASTATE.EDU (Marko A Ledvij)
Subject: Kosarka
Reply-To: maledvij@IASTATE.EDU (Marko A Ledvij)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:19:56 GMT

Hi everybody,

Ako nekoga zanima, evo jedne NEPOTVRDJENE vesti:

U finalu kupa sampiona Evrope u kosarci (igrano u Istambulu
u cetvrtak, 4/16/92):

      JOVENTUD (Huventud) Badalona - PARTIZAN Belgrade

                                70 - 71

Da li neko o ovome ima pouzdanu info?

ML
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Money for Croatian Children
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:45:57 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <gdrwZIq00VovQ3GVZi@andrew.cmu.edu> na0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nenad Antonic) writes:
>Milan N. Stojanovic writes:
>
>> So you beg money for your children,(or horses, I remember an article
>> "Save the Lipicaners") hospitals, and spend that money on weapons.
>
>	Could you remind me where did I beg the money for horses?

Excuse me, but the last time I checked the town of Lipica was still in 
Slovenia!  Now, Lipicaners are bred exclusively in Lipica.  So, no Croat
(or Serb, or Montenegrin . . .) can babble on this newsgroup about
"saving the Lipicaners."  Like the rest of Slovenia, the town of
Lipica is perfectly peaceful.            

Regards, 

Andrej

P.S.  This is truly amazing!  Not only would the Serbs and Croats like to
      see us Slovenes proclaim ourselves for "alpine Serbs" and "alpine
      Croats," but they would also like to appropriate our horses!  My God,
      you guys must be really suffering from a chronic inferiority complex!

P.S.  " . . . and after God created the entire world with one hand, He turned
      his attention to a small piece of land below the Julian Alps.  This part
      of the globe He fashioned with both of his hands.  It is known today 
      as Slovenia . . . . "


                            _____
                  .____---~~     ~~---____.
                  TI      *       *      IT
                  !I          *          I!                                 
                   X                     X
                   XL         ^         JX
                   II    ^   / \   ^    II
                   II   / \ /   \ / \   II      
                    X  /   v     v   \  X       
                    ``/    _     _    \''
                     \\- _-_ -_- _-_ -//
                       \\_-  -_-  -_//
                         ``       ''
                           ``-_-''
                              

                SLOVENIJA - RAJ POD TRIGLAVOM !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: info wanted about Slovenia
From: engcapgd@otago.ac.nz
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:36:05 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Hi there,
I'm posting this for a friend, so please reply directly to his user-code,
mathbau@otago.ac.nz. Thanks.

---BEGIN MESSAGE---
Hi. I'm going to Ljubljana, Slovenia in September to take up a one year
position in the math department there. I would welcome any information about
life in Slovenia from people who have lived or visited there.

Bau Sheng.
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: ETERNAL SLOVENIA!
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:51:01 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr6.232850.13613@wuche2.wustl.edu> ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu (Labros Skartsis) writes:

>Ljubljana becoming the center of Europe (well
>for the time being it is the center of my ...),
>the God taking particular care in making Slovenia, showing us a huge 
>slovene coat of arms (as if anybody gives a f...), etc. etc. etc.
>
>Regards,
>L. Skartsis



Dearest Labros:





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                                   F U C K    O F F !  




Regards,

Andrej
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 19:05:56 EST
From: <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Fashism in Serbia (english version)

In article <16451@plains.NoDak.edu>, malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V.
Malenovic ) says:
>>                       SERBIA FOR SHESHELJ ONLY
>[deleted]...
>
>>  The most offencive and fearsome statement given by Vojislav Sheshelj was
>>targeted toward Croatian minority in Serbia, numbering 109,214 of them. The
>>message was that not on of 109,214 of Croats living in Serbia will have
>>"peacefull dream". "This public call for 'lynch' in one really democratic and
>>tolerant state is a shame for the Serbian people" points out retired general
>>Stevan Mirkovic, while talking in Serbian parlament as a representative of
>>SRS (Serbian Radical Party).
>>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     "Nedeljna Borba"                                      4-5. april 1992.
>>    ========================================================================
>
>
>As we can see, Serbia is not "clean of Fashism" but we do not try to be
>apologist as our brother Croats are for their "Fashists". We do openly

Croats are not your brothers, so therefore don't call us such. And where is
it that Croats have apoligized for 'our fashists'? What does this mean?

>criticise this, and are against this, while Croats do not say anything about
>their "Fashists" (hence agreeing upon them).

Your statement falsely implies that Croats condone 'fashists'. Was Dobroslav
Paraga not arrested? If you receive e-mail from Slobodna Dalmacija, do you
not read of the 'anti-fascist' stands of the Croatian government? Was Tudjman
not an anti-fascist? Show us some examples of 'fascism' in the legal
organs of the Croatian government.

>So much about democracy in democratic Croatia and in
>Serbo-communist-bolshevic...etc...

I'd bet that if we asked the average guy who knows what's going on in
ex-Yugoslavia, which country they'd rather live in - Croatia or Yugoslavia -
Yugoslavia would have to look elsewhere for hard currency.

>have fun living in a dreams.....

Reality is where it's at!

>
>Nik
>The Happy Wanderer:

Logistically yours,

Tomislav Grgic
BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca
----------------------------------------------------------
"Nudili smo im i potpredsjednistvo, a ni to nisu htjeli!"
----------------------------------------------------------
From: zoran@brillig.world (Zoran Duric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Muhamed Filipovic in "DANAS"
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:27:21 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
In-reply-to: kai@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu's message of 16 Apr 92 05:31:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.053154.28873@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kai@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu (kai -Visitor) writes:
   :  [ .. . ]
   : 
   : 	Deputy Secretary of State Lawrence
   : Eagleburger Wednesday ``underscored our grave concern and our
   : condemnation of Serbian aggression against Bosnia'' to Yugoslavia's
   : ambassador to the United States, Dzevad Mujedinovic.
   :
   :   [ ... ]

   Anybody knows where Mr Mujedinovic is comming from?

   Thanks,

   Hrabri

>> 
Mr. Mujezinovic is from Sarajevo. He is a Bosnian Muslim. 

Isn't it cute. The ambasador of YU in Germany was a Slovene, in France
it was a Croat.


Regards,

Zoran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: scm@cs.brown.edu (Stanislav Markovic)
Subject: Re: Emigrants and their political role in f
Organization: Brown University, Department of Computer Science
	<92104.200610BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:12:47 GMT

In article <92104.200610BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:

> And if you're talking about killings of ambassadors, let's talk about
> all the hit men sent abroad by Belgrade to murder Croats and Albanians,
> who chose to be politically active (legally) in their new homelands.
...
> 
> Tomislav Grgic
> BUAD5070@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca

Yes, it is beyond reasonable doubt that the Yugoslav government used
to send hitmen around the world to assassinate active members of the
emigration. But, mind you, the Serbian emmigration was under the
attack of the UDBA, too. Especially in the late fifties and sixties.
After that, Serbian emmigration was hampered mainly by the division
created (probably by communists, too) in the Serbian Orthodox Church.

But after the 1981 uprising in Kosmet, Albanian emmigration was
Yugoslav Security's Police chief target. There was an article (in
Newsweek, I believe) some 6-7 years ago about that. And yes, some of
the Croatians, like Nikola Stedul, or Stjepan Djurekovic, although
nothing was ever proved, srictly (legally) speaking.

But do you know what is an illuminating fact about all that?
Somewhere in the late seventies, a person in SSUP (Federal Secretariat
for Internal Affairs - to non-native Yugoslavs it may seem that
Internal Affairs have nothing to do with this, but this is the way
things were organized in former Yu) was appointed to a position where
he was in charge of organizing all these killings. He had all those
murderers under his control. His name is Zdravko Mustac, and a rather
interesting person he is indeed. You may find him now as a person
number two in the Croatian Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Sigh. I guess nobody's perfect...;-)

Stanislav
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: THE POETRY OF BOSNIANS IN SLOVENIA . . .
Summary: Dedicated to the EEC recognition of Bosnia!
Keywords: Slovenija - zemljo moja!
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:52:51 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


KAKO JE TA COVEK JEDNA PIZDA 

                   Svetozar Brajovic


Kako je ta covek jedna pizda
neznam sto mu bosanci smetamo
pa ne smrdimo ili sto . . .

Ta covek jes jedna pizda
i ne zbog cure 
koju mi jebe
to bi mogo podneti

Samo taj covek je jedna pizda
majki ti se kunem
sto mu bosanci smetamo

A kolko tek on meni smeta
vid kolko
pa on si picku
koju zbilja volim
gore nabada

Jeboga, al taj covek je jedna pizda.
From: robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: News Briefs
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:20:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: intellis.1992Apr7.142039.28823
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO

Reprinted without permission.

"The Wall Street Journal," Tuesday, April 7, 1992

Serbian snipers fired on demonstrators in Sarajevo,
killing at least 5 people, as violence rocked Bosnia-
Hercegovina's capital. But daylong clashes, including
shelling that killed 9 others and the storming of
Parliament, failed to deter the European Community
from recognizing the former Yugoslav republic as an
independent state.
--
Robert Gerovski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: Have the clocks been pushed ahead in Sarajevo?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:10:27 GMT

I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me whether the clocks were
advanced an hour in Bosnia-Herzegovina. I am trying to find out whether
they are +5 or +6 from Daylight Savings Time in the Eastern U.S. (so I
don't telephone friends too late or too early).

Thanks,

Sharon 
-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Money for Croatian Children
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:18:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16510
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr6.061515.17223@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> blazic@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC  Joseph R) writes:
>In article <16448@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>>
>>one of the most advanced YNA tanks costs about 2.5 million dollar. It is
>>known as T-84, and the average market cost is about 16 million dollars (at
>>least according to my US friend resources).
>
>BTW, why 2.5 and 16?


16 million dollars is an aproximate price given to me by a military person
here at UND (a friend of mine). It is not supposed to be any guideline or
legal advice, hence I disclaim any liability.

About 2.5M, that is the info which came from BG newspapers (no no, it is
not Politika ;-)


>>well, 10,000$ per one misslie, can put one kid in school for 15 years,
>
>A little bit of amateur accounting could probably easily demonstrate that it
>would have been cheaper for Croatia to defend itself (assuming there was no
>arms embargo) than rebuild afterward.


Officially , Joe you have proved you are a person who care more
about property then about people.


You following statement can be expressed with a little bit harash words :

"It is better to kill all those damn Srbs, then to build up a hospitals"


>  Let's pick an obvious example:
>Dubrovnik.  How much money will it cost to restore the old city and rebuild
>the hotels??  Your point may be true in and of itself, but the implication
>is wrong completely. 
>
>Regards,
>
>Joe Blazic
>blazic@ecf.toronto.edu


Nik
--
  "There was a point to this story,                    
  but it has temporarly escaped the cronicler's mind."
(So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish by Douglas Adams)
--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy))
Subject: Re: How sez Tesla is a Croat?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:59:13 GMT

In article <16606@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.045557.18871@watdragon.waterloo.edu> abrodnik@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Andrej Brodnik (Andy)) writes:
>>In article <16511@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola V. Malenovic ) writes:
>*) *) 
>*) *) "Nikola Tesla is a Serb, who was born in the city that was given to Croatia
>*) *) under KPJ and Tito regime, and note that those borders that were given by
>*) *) KPJ and Croatian Tito were never recognized internationaly."
>*) 
>*) Can you check the birth date of Nikola Tesla and the date when Tito came
>*) in power? Or can you at least check a date when Tesla made that
>*) statement?
>
>that's the trick - When the borders were given, Tesla was dead.
>When tesla was alive, there was NO "Croatia".

If there was no Croatia at the time when Tesla made a statement, what
did he refere himself to _NONEXISTANT_ country? This seems to me the
same as he would say that he is "a Serb from Mars". Don't you see,
that there is something wrong with your reasoning?

LPA
From: hrcoord@igc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: SC ON BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:51:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1475300031:000:1516
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Apr 14 10:51:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: SC ON BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA

/* Written  3:28 pm  Apr 14, 1992 by peg:unic in cdp:unic.news */
Security Council                                      SC/5394
3068th Meeting (Night)                                10 April
1992

      SECURITY COUNCIL APPEALS FOR END TO FIGHTING IN
      BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA:
	    INVITES SECRETARY-GENERAL TO DISPATCH ENVOY TO
	    REPUBLIC

     The Security Council this evening appealed for an immediate
     end to
fighting in Bosnia-Herzegovina and invited the Secretary-General
urgently to dispatch his Personal Envoy to the area to cooperate
with the European Community in its efforts to solve the crisis.

     It took that action through the following statement, made on
behalf of the members by Council President Simbarashe Simbanenduku
Mumbengegwi (Zimbabwe):

     "The Security Council, alarmed by reports of rapid
deterioration of the situation in Bosnia-Herzegovina, reiterates
the appeal in Security Council resolution 749 (1992) to all
parties and other concerned in Bosnia-Herzegovina to stop the
fighting immediately.  It invites the Secretary-General to
dispatch urgently to the area his Personal Envoy to act in close
cooperation with representatives of the European Community whose
current efforts are aimed at stopping the fighting and at bringing
about a peaceful solution to the crisis, and to report to the
Council."

     The meeting was called to order at 6:24 p.m. and adjourned at
6:26 p.m.

				    * *** *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: Re: JUST WONDERING . . .
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:16:02 GMT

>>benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic) writes:

>>>	HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ THIS NEWSGROUP?
>
>>>	FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THE READERSHIP IS PRETTY MUCH LIMITED
>>>	TO THE OLD GANG OF:  NIKOLA, MILAN, JOE, ANDREJ, ANDREJ,
>>>	GRGA, VICTOR, LABROS, AND SHARON.

Actually, this week, I did something that I was really hoping I wouldn't
feel compelled to do here ... but I created a kill file for s.c.y. and
put a couple of the most prolific posters in it. So I no longer see
everything, although I do sometimes see their quotes that others respond to.

If I had unlimited time to spend playing with my computer, as some people
seem to, I probably wouldn't have done this. However, I have a full-time
job, and I have a home to take care of, and it was taking too much of my
time wading through all of this stuff.

I came here looking for information, to try to better understand what's
going on in what was Yugoslavia. A certain amount of heated debate is to
be expected. Endless amounts of vitriol and propaganda, however -- while
unfortunately probably quite helpful to understand why the differences
among some people have  erupted into war -- seemed to be too much noise and
not enough signal.

For those who wish to either "preach to the choir" or pick endless fights
with opponents whose minds they will never change, flooding the net with
zillions of posts is, perhaps, a good tactic. However, if you are interested
in influencing people who are not quite as firm on some issues, I think it's
a terrible strategy. I think of our local town legislature, "Town Meeting."
Some members get up to speak on almost every issue, and give very long
speeches. After awhile, people know what they'll say, get tired of listening
to them, and kind of tune it out. Other members choose their issues and
their words more carefully, and when they get up, others pay more attention --
if only because it's a break from the monotony of the same few folks!

Finally, as the war erupts in Bosnia-Herzegovina, threatening destruction
and death on a scale even far worse than in Croatia, I am finding some of
the juvenile rantings here almost grotesque. 

I would be more interested to hear people's opinions on what, if anything,
might be done to bring the fighting under control. The U.S. government
said it was considering whether it will view Serbia/Montenegro as the
"heir" to Yugoslavia or not, and said one condition will be the conduct
of the federal army. This seemed to be a way to try to encourage some 
sort of control, by offering this international "reward." Alas, I don't
think it will have much of an effect. Sanctions haven't done much so
far, either. ... 
-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
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