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From: bruceb@microsoft.com (Bruce Burger)
Subject: Parsenn (was: WHATS NEW FOR 92 AT COLORADO...)
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:54:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

>   shows it as "Parsen's Bowl"!  There is a Parsenn something or
>   other (once a famous ski race) in Europe.  Can anyone help on
>   that?

It's a long (around 15 km), scenic intermediate run in Davos, Switzerland.
It goes through a couple of small villages (great for lunch or a beer)
and when it's over, you have to take a long (45 minute?) train ride back
to the main ski area.

Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:52:31 GMT

bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard) writes:
>chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster) writes:
>
>> As a 25 year citizen of Colorado:
>> 
>> 	I would rather have 50,000 Texans visiting Colorado per
>> 	year, than 30,000 Californians moving here any day.
>
>Hmmm.. seems to me that I see more Colorado plates on a daily basis
>in San Diego 

If the first letter is 'M' then they are probably students from
California.

>than I ever see California plates in Colorado in 4 to 6
>weeks trips ! :)

Obviously didn't spend much time in Boulder.  The Denver Post
ran an article about a month ago, saying that the state was
expecting 30,000 Californians to move to the front range this
year.  My Real-Estate lady said her company received 1,000
calls from California after the riots.  In the last 8 years
Boulder has gone from a hip place to an overcrowded yuppieville.
This place is actually more Republican than Democrate now.

>> --Chris "looking for a new place to live" Webster
>
>Alaska ? 
>

--Chris "no way man, I'm not telling you where I'm moving" Webster

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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: CO (Californicating) was Beginner's si
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:13:53 GMT


crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan) writes:
>Sure, I'd love to move to Colorado, too,
>but how many high-tech research labs are there in Aspen, anyways?

Not in Aspen, but in the Front Range

StorageTek
IBM
Cray Research
Precision Visuals
Solbourne
US West
Hewlett Packard
RELA
NCAR	(National Center for Atmospheric Research)
NIST	(National Institute of Standards & Technology)
NOAA	(Atmosphere division)

all come to mind.  No offense if I forgot somebody.

eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>The number is non-zero, but I leave it to the companies who have them
>to post their existence.

I wouldn't bet on Internet access into the mountains.

--Chris

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: EL NINO???
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:26:58 GMT

>I beleive there is one going  on this year.
>It affects  the atmospheric and oceanic systems all over the world.

That's part of the problem with the El Nino thread.  Most people
aren't precisely certain when they take place, what the particular
affect is in their area (surplus or deficit), and how it interacts
between the air and sea (transfer of energy [Z and latitude])
CO2 [Keeling's research] and O3 [GSFC] I believe these.  El Nino:
I remain unconvinced.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Custom Boots
Reply-To: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:07:00 GMT

Is it generally possible to customize boots that weren't originally
custom jobs?

I have some San Marco's that have been through 3 moderate seasons and
are getting loose.  Can they be salvaged or are new boots the only
answer?

Also, can anyone recommend a good custom boot fitter in Boulder
(or less preferably, Denver).

thanks.

-- 

Dave Buehmann               Voice:    (303) 581-2318
Dazix - Intergraph          Fax:      (303) 581-9972
5101 Spine Road             Internet: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Boulder, CO  80301          UUCP:     ...uunet!ingr!dazixco!dlb
From: tom@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: canada skiing
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:50:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I'm thinking of skiing Canada this winter.  I've been told that
there's some excellent skiing and terrain to be enjoyed.  I'd
appreciate any info on the best resorts (esp accessible ones
- I'm heading from the UK!).  How do costs compare with US
prices? I've skied Summit County and found it slightly more
expensive than Europe (Switzerland/Austria).

tom.

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From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Need Tahoe Suggestions
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:50:16 GMT
Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Organization: Chevron CEPS

> I will be taking my wife and 9 yr old to Tahoe this December for a 
>vacation, and I need some help.

>We are all beginner skiers and need suggestions regarding the best place
>to get private lessons and after the lessons, what areas to ski.

>Also, what other winter type activities are there in the area,
>such as sleding, snowmobiling, sleighs, etc.

I haven't taken many lessons in Tahoe, so I'm not much help there.  My daughter
(6 at the time) has taken lessons at Sugar Bowl, which is reasonable priced and were good.

Areas with good beginner terrain:  Squaw is about the best (believe it or not!).  Alpine also
has alot of beginner to easy intermediate runs.   Heavenly's beginners runs can be narrow 
and curvy (and intimidating) for a true beginner, but once you're comforatable, it's an
easy intermediate's paradise.  Same for sugar bowl and Northstar.  But for a true beginner,
Squaw has nice wide beginner runs and lots of them, up at their 8200' level.

Beverly M. Zalan
bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: CO (Californicating)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:58:30 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep2.151353.1814@ncar.ucar.edu>
chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
	Chris' fine list of companies.
Left out a couple, but you'd have to be the one dealing with the migration
8^). Oh, BTW, do you know Ilana Stern?  I snail mailed her some photos of NCAR
when I visited years ago.  Unfortunately, they had their run in the NCAR
internal mail system.

>I wouldn't bet on Internet access into the mountains.

Aspen and other mountain areas have been at times on the Net since the
late 70s.  It's not like you have to lay cable or anything like that.
Blame the omnipresent telephone company (I mean common carriers).

Two winters ago one friend got Xerox to fund an experiment in remote
telecommuting.  He lived up at Lake Tahoe (the Scenic Tahoe Area Research
Center), host name was Abbey (as in Edward A.).  He had full access to
Xerox's resources and PARC was able to also do remote protocol tests.
That was really neat to combine my computer world friends with my more
mountain world friends (Jules' housemate was a real "fox" 8^).
A SIGGRAPH paper resulted from the "experiment."  I guess I got snowed in
a couple of times, too, more so than usual.

We also use the area as the site of the yearly Hackers Conference; we get
temporary 56Kb connections (temporarily placing Apple and SGI hosts on the
net).  Some pretty amazing computers are brought to
that Conference in the secuded mountains.  This group was in part responsible
for finding the Conference Center (my hat off to the H-P people).
An amazing number of computer companies are located in the Sierra
(maybe not as many in the Rockies, but enough for 1/3 of a book [I have learned
more than I want to know about Tahoe/Sierra computer companies).  But we don't
do it for the skiing (many of the Easterners don't want to deal with snow,
and the rates are cheaper).  We are pretty close to cheap cellular
Internet access (when it appears it will be here [that Conference] first).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: WHATS NEW FOR 92 AT COLORADO SKI AREAS - EDITION 2
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:14:39 GMT

twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.004628.1000@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@nyx.cs.d
.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:
>>
>>    ***  Keystone opens in 8 weeks!  ***

>With Killington opening in six or seven weeks :-)

>-Tom

Bzzzzzzzt, Wrong...

Over the last 8 years the average opening date for Killington
has been Nov. 1, Loveland's (in CO) has been Oct. 25th, and
the weener is Keystone (in CO) with an average opening date
of Oct. 21st.  ( Data provided to me by the Colorado Skier)

Mark Wallace, Castle Rock, CO
From: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 4 Sep 1992 21:04:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace) says:
>
>I ask forgiveness of the rec.skiing.gods, and for my penance I will say
>100 'Ski Vails' and 100 'Avoid Altas'.  Or better yet, maybe we should
>start a new campaign -- Ski Ohio!

Why not. That has a nice ring to it.
When we do get the snow, our local "hills" come alive.
these "resorts" are good for beginners, kids, 
handicappers, and also a good place to learn techniques.

Even I learned here. At least we have some local places
Just ask a Floridian where they go to snow ski.

Sandy

---
Clinton & Gore...yah! thats the ticket
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Wolf Creek & Crested Butte (Was Re: Beginner's silly questions (!))
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:48:12 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) wrote:
>In my earlier post, I was mistaken...I did mean Wolf Creek, not Bear Creek.
>Does anyone know about this area?  Good for Beg/Int?  I am a fairly new skier
>(Twice in two years, but love it!!) and had a blast at Angel Fire, almost got
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
***********
 Yeah, lots of experience--a real fanatic.
***********

>up the nerve to try a Black Diamond, but wimped out at the last second.  :-(
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Didn't Momma teach you any common sense? If you're lucky, the Angel Fire grossly
overrates its terrain (never skied there). At most big-time areas the black
diamond terrain is steep enough that a skier who doesn't have good control can
hit 50-80 mph (not that your rental skis will let you go that fast).

  Take some lessons and learn how little you know before you go for the blacks.
Right now, all you would do is 1) scrape off good snow, 2) be good potential
for a rescue-sled training run, 3) ruin good lines for expert skiers which 
will 4) piss them off.


Hey netters! Have you ever noticed that many beginners feel compelled to hit
the blacks after 2 days? Have you ever noticed how they all ski "parallel"
within hours of putting on ski boots the 1st time?  Don't you think that
this bunch should have their dreams fulfilled by trying out Corbet's Couloir
immediately?

>-- 
>|* Austin, TX 78705 

    This does nothing good for the reputation of TX skiers. From previous
trips to Taos/Santa Fe I have concluded that most are Scuds, i.e.,
pipe-bombs on skis--no control, but deadly when they connect with you.

Jeff Hudgens
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SNOW IN COLORADO
Summary: yep
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:28:08 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

Yes, I can vouch for snow in the high country.  They got a fair amount 
up on Independence Pass, and my parents reported seeing a couple from 
Florida setting up to take a group photo with the snow flying around 
them -- to astound their friends no doubt.  We also got some snow, 
but no accumulation, above 10,000 in the Maroon Bells on Tuesday.  
They are still mowing the grass/undergrowth on the Aspen-area hills, 
but the natives are getting restless. 

The mountains were spectacular with a light dusting of white, especially 
when we drove south over Red Mountain Pass.  BTW, we noticed a small 
memorial to the snow-plow drivers who died in the storm last year; it is 
just after the snowshed (heading south from Ouray) before the hairpin 
turn.  Saw it too late to stop and pay our respects to those who died to 
keep the mountains open in the winter, but thought some of you might want 
to know about it (so you can be prepared to stop) after seeing the story 
posted here last winter. 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:19:25 GMT
Organization: TRW Sensor Data Processing Center, Redondo Beach, CA

In article <1992Aug20.135321.28869@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> shieh@austin.ibm.com writes:
>	I've been dreaming for almost a year about skiing
>Alta, but plans didn't work out.  So, I'll have to "settle"
>for Park City.  

Why would you have to 'settle' for Park City, when Alta is
only 45 minutes away?  I stayed in Park City last year during
March 7-14, and the snow was much better at Alta, so we
skied Alta 3 days and another day at Snowbird.  If you
don't have a car you can take a shuttle there (although it 
costs about $25, I think).  Alta's lift tickets last year
were $21 compared to $39 at Park City, so it's a bargain, too.
My advice is go where the best snow is.  (We didn't go to
Deer Valley, so I have no opinions about it.)

Sheila

-- 
Sheila Wallace		(shla@spf.trw.com)
TRW, One Space Park, R2/2162, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
From: johnh@eas.pdx.edu (John Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: New lifts: Update
Keywords: lifts, oregon
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:56:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: eas.johnh.4.0
Distribution: usa
Organization: Portland State University


Whats up for the new season at your favorite place-lifts, lodges, runs...??

Lets get pumped!  Only 81 DAYS left til Oregon's winter season starts!
(maybe sooner, open...open...open... last year Bachelor opened OCT 29!)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Timberline, Mt Hood Oregon

Working on a new detachable High Speed Quad.  65' to the west of the old
Magic Mile Chair.  This new chair exactly parallels the old one and is the
same length.  Should be ready to roll for the upcoming ski season.

Visited Timberline last weekend (in the RAIN!) and the chair's foundations 
are in.  No towers yet but the tower-tops with the pullies are being 
assembled in the parking lot.  Getting ready for the whirly bird.


Mt Hood Meadows, Mt Hood OR

On par for "McMeadows", the new Detachable High Speed Quad will not be 
finished for this season as originally advertised.  The management (if you 
can call it that) blames last minute legal hassels from a conservation group 
which caused significant delays in construction to prevent them from 
being able to finish the top before the snow falls.  IMHO, they had the 
time, but failed to plan ahead.  The legal hassels were real, but if they 
had been 100% ready to go, they could of had time.


Ski Bowl, Mt Hood OR

Am I kidding?  After a miserable snow fall last year, "Das Bowl" will be 
lucky to operate.  They have agressivily promoted the summer activities:
Alpine Slide, Go-carts, Mt Biking & Racing, company picnics.  They have 
opened the areas first offical "Mt Bike Park" with groomed marked trails and 
lift rides with your bike.  Hopefully this extra income will help Ski Bowl 
make it through the drought and the current owner won't suffer the same fate 
as the previous ones.  Go Kurt, make it work!  We need "The Bowl".


Mt Bachelor, Bend OR

No major changes.  Expect a new building in the "West Village" nearer 
to the parking lot for rentals, demos, snowboards....  Also, I heard a rumor 
of more improvements to the highway in.


John.
From: steve.woodward@betabbs.newton.ma.us (Steve Woodward) 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: SUNDAY RIVER
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Beta BBS -=- Newton MA -=- (617)244-7053
Reply-To: steve.woodward@betabbs.newton.ma.us (Steve Woodward) 

-> I was wondering if anyone could give me some info on a place a
-> called Sunday River in Maine. I saw a trail map in the new ski
-> canada magazine and it looks great.  Has anyone on the net been there
-> and if so how is it? Specific things we would like to know are:

        I was there last January, and stoped by it a week or 2 ago to
see it. When I was there in January it was QUITE cold, lots of frotbite
and stuff (I can't rember what the temp was, but it got nice on the last
day). I froze my fingures and toes real nice (more then a few times,
took over 15 minutes on a real hot radiator to thaw out my toes at one
point). It would have been a pretty good trip if it was about 15-20F.

-> 1. Are there any good mogal runs?

        Well they have a trail called White Heat (that's the one they're
always pushing in the ads and all). When I was there it was grommed on
one side, in the middle were ice bumps and on the right was the lift
(it's an exect copy of Outer Limits at Killingion). This trail bump wise
wasn't so hot (no pun intended :). There were a few other bump trails
that were pretty good.

-> 2. Are there lots of intermediate runs with no bumps?

        Yes, there are many.

-> 3. Do the accomidations have kitchens and or is it expensive to eat
-> there?

        I stayed in the ski dorm thing with my school, so we didn't have
kitchens, but it's a pretty big place, I'd almost be willing to bet my
legs that they have some units with kitchens (or kitchenets atleast).

-> 4. What kind of night life is there?

        It looked like it should have something, I didn't check any of
that out, but a place that size, I think would have to have it's share
of night life. When I was there, they had some teen dance thing that
they were trying to push on us, but I didn't go knowing that those
things are usualy pretty lame.

-> 5. Basically is it worth the 9 hour drive I would be making to get
-> there?
-> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
-> We would also appreciate the same info on Sunshine Villiage in Banff.

        I'd think that you'd like Banff better. I was there a few years
ago in July, and it was snowing, so I don't think they'll have any
shortage of snow (there's the glacier too). I've never skied there
though so I can't say much. Hope this helps.
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Kombi "Justin" Snowboarding Gloves
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:56:04 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Justin Ruben, the guy who designed this glove, is a friend of mine at
Dartmouth.  He isn't some big design guru, he's just an excellent
snowboarder who had some good ideas.  I boarded with him a lot last
year and he was actually not using his namesake glove.  He likes it but
if I remember correctly, thinks it doent have enogh
movement/articulation.  I suppose thats somewhat of a paradox in that
more articulation would mean less safety, which that glove is great
for, but whatever.  When he gets back on campus, I'll tell him that
people are buying and liking his glove and he'll be psyched.  Any other
questions I'll try to get him to answer.

Gen.Kanai@dartmouth.edu
From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Huh ?? (was Re: Beginner's silly questions (!))
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:13:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CERFnet

In article <rvhnvjm@lynx.unm.edu> pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost) writes:
>In article <78689@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>much more challenging).  The snow depths that this place reports are
>phenomenal however...  lots of nice powder days!   >|)
>

Perhaps I missed something at my site .... Can someone explain how
my original beginner's silly questions mutated into this ???? Was there
some super valuable info to my learning process that I might not have
picked up on ??

Perhaps a little subject change would be in order 

Mike

P.S. I am not a Californian (I AM AN ALIEN ... BEEP BEEEP)

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342)
Subject: Re: Need Tahoe Suggestions
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:07:42 GMT

How about Mt. Rose, in Tahoe, overlooking Carson City I believe.
Fine skiing area, less crowds, good snow and nice employees.
From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wolf Creek & Crested Butte (Was Re: Beginner's silly questions (!))
Summary: More info, please!
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:08:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In my earlier post, I was mistaken...I did mean Wolf Creek, not Bear Creek.
Does anyone know about this area?  Good for Beg/Int?  I am a fairly new skier
(Twice in two years, but love it!!) and had a blast at Angel Fire, almost got
up the nerve to try a Black Diamond, but wimped out at the last second.  :-(

Also, does anyone have some more info about the free skiing at Crested Butte
in Nov/Dec?  How can they do that?  Are hotel rates sky high?  $20 toll road?
Inquiring minds want to know!

-- 
|* Joe Carl Patrick Spontaneous White             joewhite@emx.cc.utexas.edu *|
|* 910 E. 32nd, #201                                                         *|
|* Austin, TX 78705                         "John said I didn't know what to *|
|* 512-499-8431; -8461 modem                 put, but I guess I showed him." *|
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From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: Crested Butte - Free Skiing???
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:24:53 GMT

TedKahn@cup.portal.com (Theodore E Kahn) writes:

>CB has the steeps all right -- it also has one of the oldest and
>slowest chairs in the world to get you to the top!  In general,
>CB has an out-dated lift system, but for FREE its worth it, I also
>took advantge of the free period last year.

>	-Ted

Haven't been following the net lately have we.  

The silver Queen is dead!
Long live the super-quad!

Mark

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:12:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Knees/ACL injuries
Organization: What, me? Organized?