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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: John Williams (LAC)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 04:46:00 GMT

In article <C0rLtF.9tt@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>, temoche@usuhsb.ucc.usuhs.nnmc.navy.mil (LRC MR. ABELARDO MITCH TEMOCHE) writes:
|> Is he injured, didn't see him in the last box score. 
|> Has he shown any signs of getting back to be being the great player he once
|> was before his knee injury? The Clippers don't seem to be doing as well as I 
|> would have expected, I heard Manning wants to be traded. Any Clippers fans out
|> there?
|> 
|> Mitch Temoche 
|> (Bullets fan and John Williams fan)

Williams has been used sporadically off the bench.  Against smaller,
quicker teams, Brown sparingly uses him, if at all.  Meanwhile, 
Williams, who had lost a few pounds at the beginning of the season,
has regained all the lost pounds and is close to 300 pounds.
Though Williams has shown flashes of his great talent, his weight
and conditioning continue to hold him back.
The other fat guys on the Clippers have also been a disappointment.
Stanley Roberts is still close to 300 pounds and has become a foul
machine. Thus, he rarely plays more than 18 minutes a night.
Elmore Spencer rarely gets off the bench.

Yes, Manning has said for the upteemth time, as lately as last week,
that he wants to leave the Clippers.  Though 2 days later, he retracted
his comments,  there is still a strong feeling among the L.A. media that
Manning will soon leave.  The Clippers have little choice but to trade
him if Manning sticks to his intentions.  Mannings' contract runs out
at the end of the year, at which time he becomes a restricted free agent.
If he signs another one year contract, he becomes an unrestricted free
agent after that.

Most of the key members of the Clippers have also indicated that they may
leave.  Ken Norman is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the
year and has already rejected a big contract from the Clippers.  Mark Jackson
will also be an unrestricted free agent and Gary Grant will be a restricted
free agent.  

Last week before the Clippers played Charlotte, they reportedly partied
hard hours before the game, and went into the game with their heads
totally out of the game.  Of course, they were slaughtered.  

So as usual, things are in a state of disarray in Clipper land. 

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: YATR (Yet Another Trade Rumor)
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:57:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1993Jan12.155714.49848
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <43339@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.142506.50034@uvmark.uucp>,
>davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Actually not too bad a trade for both teams...  Dallas gets some real 
>>NBA level talent in Knight and Ceballos (Mustaf is more of a throw-in),
>>and Phoenix gets a potential superstar, but more importantly, another 
>>person to play the 2guard/SF spot.  
>
>Ah.  Good observation, Dave.  It actually hadn't even occurred to me
>that a team with Dan Majerle and Danny Ainge would need another
>person to play the 2guard spot.  And with Dumas and Ceballos
>splitting time at the SF spot, and Barkley and Majerle chipping in
>on occasion, Phoenix must be looking for another small forward.
>Especially a 6-5 one-- this team doesn't have enough short guys.
>

Well, remember that at small forward you have Dumas and Ceballos...  Well, 
in the trade, Ceballos would be gone.   That would leave an opening.  JJ MAY
be a superstar, but he will need time.  At the two guard, with Knight being
gone, Ainge would probably play some point (and possibly JJ as well).   
It would basically give them KJ (who is injury prone), Ainge, Majerle, and
JJ to play the 2 guard spots, with Majerle and JJ able to move up to SF if
necessary.  That would also give them Dumas/(majerle&jj) at SF, Barkley at
PF, and Chambers off the bench.  

Another possibility is to make this trade to get JJ (which would be kinda cheap
in some ways), and maybe trade him and a pick for a very good big man.  
How about something like... JJ and the Phoenix 1st round pick next year for
someone like Mutumbo??  
>:^)
>
>Seriously, unless JJ can play the point guard position more
>effectively than Negele Knight, this trade will not help Phoenix at
>all.  (Not immediately anyway.  When Ainge retires in three seasons,
>he can back up Majerle at 2guard.)
>
>
>Tony

If JJ plays up to his promise, as the #4 pick in a VERY strong draft, then 
he could end up a superstar level player.  This is potentially a lot better 
than Majerle or Ainge.   And, they aren't giving up a ton of personnel to do
it.  Giving up the 2+junk players, and getting 1 is not a bad deal.  JJ should
be every bit as good as Ceballos at least, and there are a hundred Mustaf level
players available all over.   Finding another adequate PG could be done.  So,
for little pain, they get a POTENTIAL superstar.  If he works out to be, it is
a steal for Phoenix.  If not, and he ends up only as good as Ceballos, then it
is about a wash.  I say go for it...
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What are the Bullets gonna do about King?
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:59:36 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1993Jan11.035742.26334@wam.umd.edu>, shyeah@wam.umd.edu (Orange Beef) writes:
|> From: shyeah@wam.umd.edu (Orange Beef)
|> Subject: What are the Bullets gonna do about King?

|> 	Hey just wondering what U Bullets fans think about the coming
|> of Bernard King?  I know Abe Pole is gonna bring him back so they
|> Centers:
|> 	Charles Jones: Maybe, but they need a back-up center.  Plus
|> 		he has the best defense on the team.

Agreed, the Bullets do need one backup center, considering that Pervis
plays out of position anyway.

|> Forwards:

Larry Stewart has a guaranteed contract for a couple of years. He 
was a restr free agent, and the spurs made him an offer in the 
offseason. The Bullets matched it, and I don't see them giving up on a 
young guy who made the all-rookie team last year.

|> 	Don MacLean: Another maybe, But I see him as the future small forward
|> 		for the Bullets.

MaClean has been unimpressive so far, albeit in limited PT. He has a
guaranteed 4 or 5 year deal, and is unlikely to be dumped.

|> 	Buck Johnson: Most likely.  But Unsel likes his defense, though he
|> 		can score, but either can CJ.

This is my bet. Eat his $780k contract.

|> Guards:
|> 	LaBradford Smith: Maybe, but he's the back-up shooting guard.

Can't see giving up on a 2nd yr player who was hurt a good amount of
his first year. 

|> 	Doug Overton: Maybe, but Unsel likes him, or else he wouldnt have
|> 		keeped him at the being of the season.

Overton has been pretty steady, and has good fire. Hopefully he'll 
develop a decent outside shot to go along with his good drives and
dishes.

|> 	Brent Price: Another of the most likely to go.  I like him though.
|> 		Needs more playing time but could develope into his brother. 8)

Potential. The guy has good genes too. 

|> So these are my views with Buck Johnson I hope, and think should be the one to
|> 	go, yet MacLean may go, or Brent or even a Highly doubt about them
|> 	releasing CJ.  Who knows. 

I'd say Buck is most likely to be released, unless someone develops 
another of those big toe problems. :-)

Ron
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bucks make it two in a row...
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:43:53 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Well, for a month the Bucks played some great ball. Then for a month the
Bucks were just terrible. Now Milwaukee has won 3 of its last 4 games and
has looked good doing it. Last night the Lakers were 109-101 victims in a
game that wasn't as close as the score indicated. Murdock had another big
game with 23 points and 11 assists. Blue Edwards knocked down 9 of 12 shots
on his way to 19 points. In the past two games, the "Utah Connection" has
combined to score 97 points. Frank Brickowski, the second leading FG percentage
man in the league, also had a nice game scoring 18 on 8 of 10 shooting and
grabbing a team-high seven boards.   
Milwaukee was outrebounded 46-31, but committed just 5 turnovers compared to
LA's 20. Also had 17 steals (five each for Blue and Murdock) compared to
just two for LA.

Minnesota, Atlanta and the Clippers visit the Bradley Center this week and the
Bucks will be heading for the Windy City for a Friday game with the Bulls.
Milwaukee is now 13-15 for the year and would be the last team in the playoffs
in the Eastern Conference if the season ended today. Of course, a lottery pick
would serve the team better, but...

--salty

p.s. Could anyone post a review and possibly a box score of the Utah-Portland
game from Saturday night. We got no word of it in today's Milwaukee Sentinel.

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:35:26 GMT

In article <1ia165INNfv0@news.aero.org> robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:

>A comment on Most from the Left Coast.
>
>Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye. We never got to hear too much of him out here; 
>Chick Hearn has spoken highly of him, and there was that allstar game a few years ago
>that Hearn and Most did together - one of the most entertaining broadcasts
>I've ever heard. And I've heard other bits; clips of Havlicek making
>a steal to win a big game, or the steal by Bird from Isiah.......
>
>One thing I must say though is that it seemed - and I've heard - that Most 
>would very often dis the Smelltic's opposition. In '85, the year
>of the Magic Johnson mini-skyhook, NBC (or whichever network was covering)
>contrasted Hearn and Most by showing clips of Hearn's coverage of a brilliant
>play by the Smelltics, and Most's coverage of Magic's miniskyhook with 2 seconds
>left. Hearn went on and on about some great play that Bird made in his (Hearn's)
>inimitable ebullient style, while Most's coverage of Magic's hook sounded like
>Most had just been forced to drink castor oil.
>
>Notwithstanding this difference in broadcasting style, I definitely feel
>for all you Smelltic fans - I know how I'd be feeling right now if it were 
>Chick who had died.

     Well, as an 8-year resident of Boston and 5-year resident of LA, I
can say that Most had his moments and his attractions -- certainly Havlicek
Steals the Ball is a classic.  But Robert is quite correct in his descriptions
of Most.  Also, Most simply didn't convey as much information over the radio
as many other broadcasters.
     I've also lived in Seattle and Chicago, and Chick Hearn is by far the best
NBA announcer I've ever heard.  He is however getting old and makes more
and more mistakes:  calling Greg Kite "Tom Kite," saying Vernon Maxell
when he means Hakeem, etc.  He's still the best I've heard however.
     Most was a lot like the Boston Garden -- lots of tradition, but just
not that great.  I'm not saying that the current Celtic announcers are 
better than Most was (I haven't heard them much) but there are quite a few
who I think were better than Johnny Most.  Sure it was entertaining to
hear Most call Ruland and Mahorn "McFilthy and McNasty" but what I really
want from an announcer is a description of the game and what's going on
and who's doing what on the court an descriptions of the players and plays.  
Most wasn't that good at that.
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From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE: Spurs 103 - Clippers 94  12/25/92
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:23:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan8.052347.23200
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

san 103, lac 94   25dec92

MISSING: Offensive Rebounds

san (12-11)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
reid,j.r.         38   4   9   0  0   4  6   - 11   2  5  1  1  0  0  0  0   12
elliott,sean      43  11  14   1  3   9 13   -  3   8  1  1  3  0  0  0  0   32
robinson,david    40   8  15   0  0   5  6   - 12   2  6  3  5  0  0  0  0   21
ellis,dale        24   6  12   0  1   4  4   -  2   0  3  1  3  0  0  0  0   16
delnegro,vinnie   15   1   3   0  0   2  2   -  1   1  3  1  2  0  0  0  0    4
daniels,lloyd     23   5   9   2  4   0  0   -  6   2  4  0  3  0  0  0  0   12
johnson,avery     33   0   5   0  0   1  2   -  2  11  3  1  1  0  0  0  0    1
bedford,william    3   0   1   0  0   1  2   -  2   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    1
wood,david         9   1   2   0  1   2  2   -  2   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    4
carr,antoine       8   0   3   0  0   0  0   -  2   0  3  0  1  1  0  0  0    0
smith,larry        4   0   0   0  0   0  0   -  1   0  1  1  1  1  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
san totals       240  36  73   3  9  28 37   0 44  26 31  9 20  2  0  0  0  103
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .493   .333   .757       team rebs  7

lac (14-11)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
norman,ken        43   9  17   0  1   4  5   - 13   2  5  1  2  2  0  0  0   22
manning,danny     40   6  15   0  0   5  7   -  8   1  6  1  5  0  0  0  0   17
roberts,stanley   15   2   5   0  0   1  2   -  4   2  6  0  2  0  0  0  0    5
harper,ron        45   7  18   1  3   6  7   -  5   6  5  3  5  0  0  0  0   21
jackson,mark      42   6  13   0  1   3  4   -  5   4  1  1  4  0  0  0  0   15
williams,john     20   3  10   2  5   1  2   -  7   3  3  1  2  1  0  0  0    9
grant,gary        23   1   6   0  0   2  2   -  3   2  3  0  0  0  0  0  0    4
vaught,loy        12   0   7   0  0   1  2   -  3   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
lac totals       240  34  91   3 10  23 31   0 48  20 31  7 20  3  0  0  0   94
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .374   .300   .742       team rebs 12

san   39  15  15  34  -  103
lac   17  29  17  31  -   94

attendance 13780, time 2:25, officials: DBavetta,TNunez,TWood
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From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: How dumb is Red McCombs?
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:31:03 GMT

oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:

>Maybe he had worn out his welcome, I dunno.  What was dumb was letting him
>go and not getting anything for him.  Also, I notice that there haven't

Exactly.  That's what I thought I said.  The Blazers have the excuse that 
they were mislead by Ainge into thinking that he'd test the free-agent
waters, then they'd get (have) to beat it.  Supposedly they would have
given him as much money in two years as he's getting in Phoenix for
three, but he wanted three guaranteed years and the Blazers wouldn't do
it.  SA, on the other hand, should have demanded something --- fresh
towels everyday for the Shark, if nothing else --- for Strickland.

When Nelson let Elie go, I thought it was kind of a classy move.  I
don't think that anybody would have paid much for Elie, but it's
traditional that players get jerked around.  Nelson said that he didn't
think that Elie was worth what he could get elsewhere.  He may be proven
right once again, since Elie definitely isn't looking like the steal he
did at the start of the season.  But Ainge slumped fairly quickly after
coming to the Blazers, which is why they didn't redo his contract.

>Tark wasn't broken up at all.  I just hope he doesn't think he'll get
>another shot at the NBA.

Oh, he might.  But I hope he thinks about it.  If he had chest pains in
San Antonio, imagine what coaching Dallas or Minnesota would do to him!

>The difference is that the Spurs still have a lot of talent with one big
>need.  At worst, they're a .500 team.  Right now, Lucas has Avery
>Johnson playing as well as he possible can.  In Milwaukee, Dunleavy had a
>*everyone* playing over their heads, and that couldn't last.

And he's done a magnificent job with Ellis.  I would have taken Murray
or Abdelnaby over Ellis.  Now I'm not so sure ... he may be that elusive
outside shooter the Blazers have been searching for, and I'm sure they 
could have had him from Milwaukie for Abdelnaby straight up.

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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:54:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.143101.12522@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <OLIVER.93Jan11025318@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan8.180724.20206@mprgate.mpr.ca> levesque@galaxy.mpr.ca (Steve Levesque) wrote:
>>> 2) When a player misses a shot and is called for a charge, is it a FGA.
>>No, but it is a turnover.

>Actually, it depends on whether the ball left his hands or not.  If he shot
>the ball and THEN charged, it is a FGA, otherwise not...
>
>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye


this sounds like the college rule...are you saying that if its an FGA, that
the basket could count?  would never count?  is this a team rebound??

- nate
(i think its No FGA , a TO on the player whistled for the Offensive Foul)
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Holdouts (Re: YATR (Yet Another Trade Rumor))
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson, Doug Christie, holdouts
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:20:13 GMT

In article <43289@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>
>Speaking of Jimmy Jackson, who is still holding out over two months
>into the season with no end in sight, does anybody have a list of
>other rookies who have held out like this in the past?  How have
>these players turned out?

     Hmm, does Danny Ferry count?  He fled to Italy rather than sign 
with the Clippers.  Not exactly the same as holding out however.
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From: gbennett@frx784.intel.com (gbennett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: how bad is Dallas? (Was: BOX and NOTES: MN vs DAL 1/2/93)
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:20:30 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.201148.22299@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:

>
>I say any records set against the Mavs this year should go into the book
>with asterisks beside them.
>

A win is a win, even when the Kings blow them out by 58 points.  As a Kings fan
ever since they moved to Sacramento, this team has been on the losing end of
many, many bad games these past 7 years, but I don't think anyone outside of
Sacramento shed any tears for them.  Nor should anyone shed any for Dallas, let
alone put astericks in the record books.


>By the way, which team other than the Lakers has lost to Dallas this
>season?

I believe it was Atlanta.

-Jerry
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Warriors at Clippers schedule request...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 05:52:18 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

Can anyone tell me when the Warriors play at the Clippers this year?  I wanna
get tickets...

Thanks very much,
---Sean

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From: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: BOXSCORE uta27por26.02jan93
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Cc: edrury@3cpu.rain.com
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:40:19 GMT

The Jazz break a long string of consecutive losses at Portland with this
victory. 

uta 110, por 102   02jan93

largest lead         uta 18 por 2
points off turnovers uta 9 por 15
2nd chance points    uta 9 por 23
fastbreak points     uta 31 por 11
bench points         uta 34 por 17
technicals: uta	illegal defense 9:18 third
                Stockton 5:23 third
uta illegal defense warning
por illegal defense warning

uta (19- 8)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
corbin,tyrone     28   7  10   0  0   0  0   2  4   3  4  1  2  0  0  0  0   14
malone,karl       38  10  18   0  0   9  9   1 13   4  3  1  3  2  0  0  0   29
eaton,mark        14   1   4   0  0   0  0   3  7   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
stockton,john     37   4  14   0  2   2  2   0  2  14  4  0  3  0  1  0  0   10
malone,jeff       34   8  13   0  0   5  6   0  2   1  3  2  1  0  0  0  0   21
brown,mike        24   3   5   0  0   3  6   1  5   4  5  1  1  0  0  0  0    9
humphries,jay     25   4   8   1  3   0  0   0  1   3  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    9
krystkowiak,larry 20   1   3   0  0   3  4   0  5   3  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    5
benoit,david      20   4   8   0  1   3  4   2  5   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0   11
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uta totals       240  42  83   1  6  25 31   9 44  32 25  5 12  2  1  0  0  110
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .506   .167   .806       team rebs  9

por (17- 9)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
elie,mario        27   3  11   0  1   1  2   3  6   1  5  0  1  0  0  0  0    7
williams,buck     35   1   6   0  0   1  4   5 13   2  5  1  2  0  0  0  0    3
duckworth,kevin   41  10  23   0  0   7  8   1  8   1  2  2  1  0  0  0  0   27
strickland,rod    39   9  15   0  3   5  8   3  4   5  2  3  1  2  0  0  0   23
porter,terry      41   7  13   7 11   4  6   0  6   7  0  1  1  0  0  0  0   25
robinson,cliff    34   5  18   0  2   3  7   4 10   3  2  0  1  3  0  0  0   13
johnson,dave       4   0   2   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
bryant,mark       16   1   3   0  0   2  2   2  4   1  4  0  1  0  0  0  0    4
murray,tracy       3   0   2   0  1   0  0   0  0   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
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por totals       240  36  93   7 18  23 37  18 51  20 21  7  9  5  0  0  0  102
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .387   .389   .622       team rebs 14

uta   32  31  16  31  -  110
por   22  27  27  26  -  102

attendance 12888, time 2:12, officials: JKersey,DStafford,MCallahan
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