HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
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Excellent Topic!  I'll probably make some mistakes too, but that is how
we learn.
>Here, I'll start the discussion (I'm sure some of these are wrong):
>
>	Rails		Boxy(thick) - better upwind ability
>			Thin - better carving ability
I think the better upwind ability comes from having hard rails with a
thick tail and lots of flat in the rear.

Hard rails are FASTER since they release water easier (less drag).  Once
you are on a plane, only the bottom shape and the rail design effect
performance (according to ASD).  Having more volume just makes the board
easier to slog for us big people.

>	Edges		Sharp - better holding capability
>			Beveled - easier turn initiation
Same as rails, to me.
>	Bottoms		Concave - faster planing
>			V - greater stability through chop
add:                    Flat - Faster once on a plane

Also, from discussions with many that build their own boards plus the
guys at ASD, the amount of flat effects how a board handles.  The optimum
amount of flat is still being determined.

add:    Tail Shape      Wide - quicker to plane, better up wind
                        narrow - faster and easier to handle in high
                                 wind or big chop (which is why I think
                                 the Stinger is such a good Bay Area
                                 Board)

        Nose Rocker     Lots = easier to sail fast off the wind in chop
                        little = faster upwind

        Tail Rocker     Rather than FLat, this is better for waves

        Volume:         Or Volume to Sailor Weight ratio.

        Weight:         >20 lbs durable, good for learning jumps
                         13.75 lbs- a big guy like me can pump w/a 6.1 to a
                         plane in 14 Knots of wind and blow by a 100lb
                         gal (or guy) on a 5.3/Stinger.
                        <12 lbs - Don't jump it!
>--
>+-----+ Trevor Hall                     "Frisbeetarianism: the belief
Kirk out
8'8" Challange Flex, 8'11" & 9'3" ASD epoxy, 9'9" Velocity & 11'6" Malibu 
Wt 210#, Ht. 6'0", Usually sail on SF Bay, Cailf.  (kirk@hpocia.sj.hp.com)


From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:25:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to find FiberSpar masts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, msk@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Mark Kaplan) writes:

> Re: Fiberspars 
> Anybody know where to find these?

	Right here dude.

	I've got 3 new Fiberpar's for sale.  

		2 - Flextop Performance Carbon 460/28 2-pc. - $239
		1 - Constant_curve World Cup 460/30 2-pc. - $309

	If these appeal to you, I can UPS them.

	toma@hpfcpi.fc.hp.com
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:40:18 GMT
Subject: Re: New Board Advice.....phase two.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:
> 
> Would you say the F2 Sputnik or the Mistral Energy to also be in that range?
> Size and flotation is something but you also have to consider weight, bottom
> shape, rails etc.
> 
> The new 8'10 is not going to be an all-around slalom board like the Adagio.
> Take a look at the shapes on the E-rock compared to the Adagio. They are
> created for different conditions. One excels over the other in different
> situations and conditions.
> 
> Even though they are similar in size, you would not compare the Sputnik 
> to the Adagio would you? 

	I think the Adagio is intended to be a race board.  The E-Rock
	and Astro Rock are intended to be rec boards.  Primarily the rec
	boards are wider with softer rails.  (Chad)

	I think there are two classes of race boards (aside from wind
	range).  There are course-slalom boards which have very thick
	rails.  The Adagio, Presto, Energy, Seatrend 90CS fall into 
	that category.  Then there are slalom boards.  The Sputnik 280
	and the Seatrend 90 (discontinued) fall there.  They have thinner
	rails - just as sharp, but not as high.  The CS boards have
	better upwind ability while the slalom boards jibe easier.
	I just traded a Priester 90CS for a Sputnik 280.  The F2 is 
	a lot easier to jibe.  I obviously prefer the thinner railed
	board.  I think you can get upwind ability with a nice, big
	blade fin - and have the best of both worlds.
From: alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Mistral Ecstacy board question (back footstrap)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:32:57 GMT
Reply-To: alain@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.

I finally bought an Ecstacy board last week, after looking at a couple of
other boards. I used it on wednesday, saturday and sunday which were windy
days and really love the board so far.  I replaced the wave fin that came
with it with a sloted wave fin to reduce the much too frequent spinout
problems I was having.... most likely a problem with my position ;-)

Now my question for those of you who have the Ecstacy board out there...

when I installed the back footstraps I used 1 of the washer with each
screw since the back footstrap uses only one screw on each side, and the
twisting will unscrew the strap over time. 

I have noticed that the back strap still gets somewhat loose after using 
it for a while. Is anybody having the same problem ? (I endup tightning the
screws when I get back on shore for water)
Should I be using 2 washers instead ? (then I need longer screws...)

I'm thinking of just screwing another small screw to prevent the twisting
from happening (I am not using the hole far back, which are directly in
the board, just the regular plastic ones)... Why didn't they use 2 screws
on each side for the back footstrap ?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alain Dumesny	alain@sgi.com	(415)390-5250	    Silicon Graphics Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Organization: Ellemtel Utvecklings AB, Sweden
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:46:57 GMT

In article <etxkrjg.712247446@solsta-c> etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se 
(Kristian Jorg  TX/DKL) writes:
> It is probably dehydration combined with exhaustion. Drink little but 
often.
> Last time I was out with high winds and high temerature, with a 5/3 mm 
steamer
> I drank more than 3 litres of water in a couple of hours. Even though I 
weighed
> 1 kilo less than normal the next morning. The loss in weight is the 
effects
> of dehydration. By the end of the day my weight was normal again.

I am in fact always a bit worried to drink too much, since drinking 
usually results in a later need to pee!  I know people (both sexes) who 
have ''gone to the bathroom'' the easy way - yes, you guessed it: without 
taking off the wetsuit!  Since I try to avoid such a pee technique, I 
guess I only drink as much/little that I don't need to pee until the whole 
surf-session is over, which means I am probably always staying on the 
dehydrated side. The biggest risk is eating lunch with wetsuit on, and 
drink only up to this critical level. Haven't any of you felt this 
delicate balance?


Phone: +46 8 727 39 55  Fax: +46 8 749 05 94
Ellemtel Utvecklings AB
Box 1505
S-125 25 Alvsjo
Sweden
From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Wall Street article on WS
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:21:25 GMT
Reply-To: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

Wall street J. had a special supplement on Olympics today. There was a good
article on WS -"The fastest growing water sport" in the front page of the
supplement.

narayan

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From: bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul)
Subject: Re: Isles of Scilly
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:05:04 GMT

hilton@bahtat.dec.com (Greg Hilton) writes:


>Hiya,

>Augusts Windsurf magazine has an article about the Tushingham 1993 brochure
>shoot. They went to the Isles of SCilly, and it looks a great place for a late
>summer holiday!


I recently met Jamie Knox (Tushingham pro sailor) in Dingle, a small village in
the southmost tip of Ireland. He was just back from the photo shoot in Scilly
and he said it was the most beautiful place he had ever sailed. Apparently
not only are the waves and the wind excellent but the Islands themselves are
beautiful. He said: "Everywhere you look, in every square meter, there are 
more colors than you could imagine, flowers and plants cover everything". 
Sounds great.

P.S. He also rates Brandon bay near Dingle as one of the best venus in Europe.
     20-30 foot waves, cross shore winds and rarely anyone else out.
     He now lives close by and runs a windsurfing school and board rental
     place. He offers lessons to any level and will arrange accommodation.
     I have his brochure at home - mail me for phone no./more details.
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Protect me from what I want" - Jenny Holzer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barry Paul, Computer Science,                                bpaul@maths.tcd.ie
Trinity College Dublin, Ireland                                   (01) 702-1531
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: 6623630@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: FOR SALE ****************
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:57:05 GMT

Blue Ampro Aluminum Mast $75.00
ASD 9.1 Glass Board      $450.00
DaKine Speed Seat (lg)   $20.00

E-mail to this account if interested.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: New Board Advice.....phase two.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:12:34 GMT
Organization: Mail Group
Distribution: na

felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:

>They are also coming out with an ultra fast slalom board measuring 8'10" with
>95 liters of volume. In a couple of weeks I'll know the weight and a bit more
>about the '93 stuff.

Oh great, just what Bic needs: another fast 8'10" board with something
around 100 liters of flotation!  :(  Aren't the Adagio and Electric Rock enough in
that size range?

Personally, what I think Bic needs is a high-wind board that can match
up to the Mistral Ecstasy.  They also need 8'6" and 8'10" boards that jibe
great rather than just being all-out race boards.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com 
 
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Subject: Re: No Olympic Windsurfing Coverage?
Reply-To: thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:55:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.150430.25341@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:
>In article <18413@durer.cme.nist.gov> jthan@rrdstrad.nist.gov (Jonathan M. Richardson) writes:
>>I believe that there will be _no_ olympic windsurfing coverage at all on
>>any of the channels, including the olympic triplecast (which costs ~$145
>>including tax, I passed on it...).
>>
>OH GOD! TELL ME IT ISNT SO!! I've been glued to the channels (all of them)
>looking for any bit of info on this. I've checked the papers, tv guides, cable
>and have not seen anything. I was hopeful I would see something!
>

They had two separate "Sunday" supplements in the local birdcage liner
(San Jose Mercury News).  Neither one of which even mentioned that there
_was_ windsurfing in the Olympics.  Not just that it wasn't on television,
it was if it wasn't even an event.

Mind you, they're televising whitewater canoeing...

(Is windsurfing being punished for the America's Cup debacle?)
--
 +-----+ Trevor Hall                     "Frisbeetarianism: the belief
 |    #| Database Engineer                that when you die, your soul
 |     | Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.   goes up on the roof and gets
 +-----+ thall@sequent.com                stuck."
From: jhallina@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Calories
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:17:54 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Somewhere back in the conference, someone said that windsurfing was a static
activity sport as opposed to other activities such as running.

I was wondering whether windsurfing would burn just as many calories/hour as a
non-static sport.  

Anyone know how many calories an hour a typical windsurfer would burn off?

I'd have a guess at around 250 calories/hour.

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Waterstarts, the saga continues...
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 15:29:53 GMT

In article <connolly.711297916@vincent1.iastate.edu> connolly@iastate.edu (Patrick H Connolly) writes:
>How [do] you orient the board & sail?

The board should point slightly downwind. 30 degrees should be about ok.

>getting the sail to lift out of the water,

Rest it on the tail of the board. As you get better at the actual waterstart,
you'll learn other techniques. While learning, save your strength and let the
board do the hard work.

>and how to get going (without turning into the wind, etc.)

You have to have total control of the rig and board by moving the sail.
Try to imagine that you have little or no control of your legs and then
turn the nose of the board up and downwind without actually touching the
board. Try doing body drags and see how far and fast you can go.

>I know that you need high wind, etc., but how much?

You don't need what I would call high wind. If you can get a slalom board
planing, then you have enough wind for a waterstart. I recommend that you
practice in 7-8 m/s (14-16 knots) of wind. 5-6 m/s are enough for a low
wind waterstart, but then the technique is slightly different.

The important thing to remember is that the sail will not pull you onto
the board. Most of the time the sail will barely be floating in the air
and you'll have to pull yourself on the board or pull the board under you.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
From: etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se (Kristian Jorg  TX/DKL)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Keywords: Hangover
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:30:46 GMT
Organization: Ericsson

bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul) writes:


>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>morning after a long days blasting?

>I believe these are the symptoms that are usually associated with dehydration,
>hence the similarity to a hangover. I try to bring liquids to the beach with me

It is probably dehydration combined with exhaustion. Drink little but often.
Last time I was out with high winds and high temerature, with a 5/3 mm steamer
I drank more than 3 litres of water in a couple of hours. Even though I weighed
1 kilo less than normal the next morning. The loss in weight is the effects
of dehydration. By the end of the day my weight was normal again.

--
-----------------------------------+  
Kristian Jorg                      !  
e-mail: etxkrjg@solsta.ericsson.se ! 
-----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Kor Kiley)
Subject: Re: Pulleys (Re: Broken Downhauls)
Originator: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:25:24 GMT

From article <1992Jul20.181244.21863@kronos.com>, by dan@kronos.com (Dan Driscoll):
> In article <1992Jul17.180958.20810@leland.Stanford.EDU> edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:
>>
>>The short term solution has been to begin using the pulley (that fits into
>>the downhaul grommet on the sail) that came with the mast extension.  This
>>reduces friction substantially compared to just routing the lines through 
>>the grommet (I always made sure they weren't twisted).  Reduced friction
>>==> less force required by me ==> less stress on the base ==> nothing's
>>broken so far.  The problem with this, and the reason I had not been using 
>>the pulley is that it adds at least an inch of clearance between the sail 
>>and the board -> not so fast.
> 
> Chinook makes pulleys that you can install through the grommet. They look
> like wheels. They do not extend below the sail so you can completely close the
> gap. They are lightweight, come with 2 or 3 channels for the line to go around,
> and are open (No threading line like on the stupid Neil Pryde sails!). I've
> installed them on all my sails permanently with Locktite. I've never had one
> break.

I have those two (actually one that I move from sail to sail) and
don't find them that effective because the pulley is stationary (it
doesn't rotate).  I guess it helps a little but not nearly as much as
it would if it rotated.  On the other hand, if it rotated it might be
harder to get it cleated after downhauling, more likely to lose part
of what you gained.  I'd like to try something more refined.

-- 
Kor Kiley                        kkiley@moose.uvm.edu
Bailey/Howe Library
University of Vermont
Burlington, VT 05405             (802) 656-8290
From: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Nevin Sayre clinic & ASD mid-summer sale
Date: 23 Jul 1992 22:07:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: hartman@fanatic.EBay.Sun.COM
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:15:10 GMT
 <m=jm4bp.westes@netcom.com> <price.712243825@helios> <j6lmqqq.westes@netcom.com>
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:


>>I beg to differ - see my other post. I regularly pull my trailer at 70-75 on
>>the interstate for 5 hours on the way from Lincoln NE to Lake McConnaghy and
>>have had no problems. After 2 seasons the tires are showing very little wear.

>I may have mis-read the original note.  I thought he was referring to
>those little toy pull-carts with the tiny wheels that you sometimes see
>advertised in windsurfing magazines.  If you have a utility cart with
>full-size tires that is a different story.  If have 12"-13" diameter
>tires, then I'm simply amazed.

You may perhaps be amazed - I have 8" wheels and the tires are 4.80x8. quite 
small. The trailer is based on a K-Mart special bought for about $160, and has the
board and mast rack welded on. Rated load 1,000; but there's no way I'd put
that much on it. 




--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: du@oregon.uoregon.edu (Dave Ulrich)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Boom Recommendations?
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:23:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Jul22.232359.23252
Organization: UO Computing Center


 Looking to replace my Windsurfing Hawaii Gorilla with a lighter,
 smaller grip boom that will handle a wide range of sails, say 4.0
 to 7.0.  Am leaning toward a Chinook, but would like to hear some
 feedback from those who have recently purchased a boom.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Kor Kiley)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Originator: kkiley@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:20:05 GMT

From article <1992Jul24.132811.25197@geosys.co.uk>, by pmb@geosys.co.uk (Pete Bochel):
> In article <1992Jul21.190835.17973@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi
> (Juri Munkki) writes:
>> >Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and
> headaches the
>> >morning after a long days blasting?
> 
> 
> One factor that may affect this is the tightness of your wetsuit. 
> I am much more tired the next day after using my old wetsuit which has
> become very tight over my arms and chest since I started windsurfing.
> 
> My new (winter) suit is fairly loose on my arms and chest and I find I can
> sail longer and not feel so drained the following day.
> 
> 
> I also find it helps to drink something like orange juice rather the
> soft drinks,etc.
> 
I eat a lot of fruit on windsurfing days.  It supplies me with a lot
of liquid and it is clean burning.  It has few toxic or hard to digest
elements which need elimination.  I believe the elimination of these
products interfere with the elimination of lactic acid.  Whatever the
reason though, eating fruit when I'm exercising alot really works.  I
have far few aches and pains afterwards.  It is the day before heavy
exercise that you need to eat a moderate amount of starches, etc.
-- 
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Bailey/Howe Library
University of Vermont
Burlington, VT 05405             (802) 656-8290
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:25:54 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

>>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>>morning after a long days blasting?
>

I always get sore arms, sore hands, cuts on my hands and feet, a creaking back,
and a little sore spot on top of my head.

Jim Munro
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Mast Foot Problems
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:19:08 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

erno@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Erno H. Klaassen) writes:


> 
>When I was surfing this weekend at Coyote,  I had some trouble with 
>the mast foot on my Bic Astro Rock.  The little tab that keeps the peg
>of the mast base in the mast foot keeps coming up, so that my whole
>mast separated from the board several times.  Is anybody else having
>this problem, either with the Bic mast foot, or with other brands.  Is
>there an easy solution, or should I buy a new mast foot?
>I was considering putting a piece of masking tape over it to prevent
>it from coming up, but I don't think it would last more than about 10
>minutes in the water.


Yes, I've also had this problem with my Astro Rock, and a friend has had the
same with his Presto. The only solution I know of is to actually use the place
on the bow of the board along with a short tether, and tie the 2 together so
that when they part company, you won't loose the mast/sail.

Perhaps Felix will insert some comments about how to fix the mechanism so that
it will not come apart?

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Central Coast Conditions!
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:01:15 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca


Once again I'm thinking of a quick trip down to Arroyo LAguna (next 
weekend).

I hear the wind has been good this week (just like here) but I'd
appreciate it if any Central Coast sailors could hazard a guess for me
on whether I'm likely to get skunked next weekend.

AS far as I'm concerned Arroyo Laguna is a windsurfers heaven.

I may even have my new board by then (9'0 Stretch Race Board)

Jim Munro

8'10" Freeline Custom Wave
9'1" Seatrend Slalom (For Sale, an oldie but a goodie)
9'0" Stretch Race Wannabe
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