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From:  (Dave at Calvin)
Subject: Re: Cloning God...
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:01:00 GMT

In article <9212092149.AA16518@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, C Robert
Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> 
> Yeeeee---a--yeah.
> 
> sure.
> 
> Hmmmmm, anyone get the idea this guys been reading too many grocery-store SF 
> novels now that he's done with his BS?
> 
> SO, the question is, did Yaweh and friends clone their dna onto a vector first,
> or did they merely "bud"? :-)
> 
> 
> Rob

What religion is this whacko anyways? Here's my interprtation of Mr. Rob's
arguement: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. And finally, BLAH BLAH
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. :) 

:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-);_0. 

Oops, I accidentally mutated that last one. 

Dave At Calvin College (Rush Limbaugh Rules!!!)
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:12:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Old Christian music
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:

> I got most of it. I'm posting in case someone can fill in the missing line...
> 
> Adeste Fideles
> Laeti (sp?) triumphantes
> Venite, venite
> Ad Bethlehem.
> 
> ?...?   < the "come and adore Him" line, probably not precisely
>                   translated in the English text
> Regem angelorum
> Venite adoremus,
> Venite Adoremus,
> Venite adoremus,
> Dominum.
> 
> The thing that seems to echo in my head as the missing line is
> "natus infantem" (the Child [is] born) or some such...

The text is "Natus videte" (see the baby), which is close to "Come and
*behold* Him"...

Bob (the ol grey matter is starting to fossilize) Miller
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: pray naked
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:23 CST
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mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike (Beaker) Krupicka) writes...
>As far as why they changed it...I think Word didn't like it, so the 77s
>decided to just put censor bars on it themselves. 

I believe someone said that Word would not distribute the album if they
called it _Pray Naked_...so they could call it that, just not have any way
to really get it out. Maybe I heard this at c-stone this summer...I don't
remember. Oh well.

>There's something about
>the albumn in the latest True News...but my roommate cE! stole it. (He wanted
>to look at the full page add on the back page for his albumn that is coming
>out in January on Blonde Vinyl. BUY globalWAVEsystem if you like industrial
>music (or even if you might like it).) Anyway, I haven't been able to actually
>read the article.

There is also an ad for Flat Earth Arists in it, on the last page opposite
the back cover. 

Oh, btw...........buy Global Wave System _Life Equals Death_
Blonde Vinyl Records ----- 01/92


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From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike (Beaker) Krupicka)
Subject: Re: pray naked
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:05:10 GMT

"william mercer" <william.mercer@canrem.com> writes:
>Does anyone know why the Seventy Sevens new CD had its title changed
>from "Pray Naked" to "The Seventy Sevens"? 

The title is still "Pray Naked", the 77s already had a self-titled albumn
(I think). I, along with many other people, are encouraging everyone 
to refer to this albumn by its real name of "Pray Naked"

As far as why they changed it...I think Word didn't like it, so the 77s
decided to just put censor bars on it themselves. There's something about
the albumn in the latest True News...but my roommate cE! stole it. (He wanted
to look at the full page add on the back page for his albumn that is coming
out in January on Blonde Vinyl. BUY globalWAVEsystem if you like industrial
music (or even if you might like it).) Anyway, I haven't been able to actually
read the article.

Mike
beaker@uiuc.edu
As a dog returns to his vomit, so does a fool to his folly. -- Solomon
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tef@sei.cmu.edu (Tracey Fox)
Subject: Jessye Norman's Christams Special
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:36:17 EST


Did anyone watch the Jessye Norman's Christmas Special last night?  It was
awesome!


Tracey


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From: dvdjns@crash.cts.com (David Jones)
Subject: n
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:47:38 PST
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: TANGENT: Arizona
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:22:35 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

i'm spending my Christmas break in Pheonix & was wondering if anyone
could help me find the following things:

 o a good church. preferably in the Mesa area. someplace a guy who wears
   a lot of black & has long hair can feel comfortable worshipping at.

 o a good radio station. one that plays a lot of non-top 40-ish music.

 o a good CCM store. where i can find Over the Rhine.

please email, as i don't have much time to wade thru hundreds of posts.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe,
jason "love this weather!" steiner

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From: isdhm@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: Tangent: Solution to CONTRADICTIONS...
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:47:04 GMT

In article <SKLEPZI.14.0@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>, SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig) writes:
>>Has anyone emailed the administrator of Bobby's system and wondered aloud
>>what the deal was with this guy?
> 
> Yes.  He can be dealt with although it is alot of hassle....
>... 
> Steven
> BTW: I think I still have his administrator's e-mail address, if anyone is 
> interested...


I have a good idea that is much less work.  If no one reponded...well who would
care about the post?  

When I used to complain to my dad about my brother bugging me, he would always
tell me that if I would just ignore it it would go away.

Of course, that will simply end the problem of the posting.  Bugging your big
brother is often done because of a need for attention and love, adn I would
assume that flame-baiting is much the same way.  

If everyone spent the time it takes to repsond, on prayer instead, there would
be a much better result.  And then go find an unloved person who needs God and
show them some love.  Eventually there will be no more CONTRADICTIONS...
posting.

I do understand that it is nesacary to respond to some degree to some of these
postings, but one inteligent comment and reponse is enough.  Look on down the
thread before responding.

This is my just my opinion.  Those who know me would be suprised that I am not
constantly jumping in and offering my 2 cents worth, but my arguing and talking
and descusion have taught me one thing, that my 2 cents worth is worth just a
few pennies less than just that to most people.  

Talks to you all later...
David Myhill
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:32:50 GMT

hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:

>In article <nestabro.723932257@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
>writes:
>>Doesn't this guy know not to leave his computer on at night when the 
>>janitor hackers can get on?

>Now, Noel, it's not nice to malign janitors that way!  You're painting with
>an awfully broad brush there.

Sorry.  My apologies to all maintenance engineers the world 'round. :-)
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From: pliuskon@intellistor.com (Saul Pliuskonis)
Subject: Arkangel on CD?
Keywords: Arkangel CD rerelease
Organization: Intellistor, Inc.
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:16:56 GMT

I heard a rumor that Arkangel (with Kemper Crab) had been 
rereleased on CD. Can anyone lend any credence to this rumor?

I've called a few Christian bookstores trying to find it, but
no has heard anything about it.

I would like to try True Tunes, but I lost their number. So 
if anyone has info on the CD or the number for True Tunes,
please reply.  

P.S. I would obviously prefer an 800 number for True Tunes.


Thanks

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From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 12 Dec 1992 04:34:26 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
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In article <78137@hydra.gatech.EDU>, vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
|> In article <1ga30vINNctv@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phucy@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G J Cafolla) writes:
|> >So is Sitting around reading God's word the right thing to do or maybe we 
|> >should be LIVING it ?  (i.e worshiping).
|> >
|> 
|> Yeah, that's what i said.  NOT!  Gimme a break.  That's not at all what i 
|> said, and you know it.  Sure we should worship God.  Often.  We should pray.
|> Continually.  We should serve others and lead them to Christ.  All the
|> time.  We should read the Bible.  Lots.  I wasn't taking anything away from
|> the importance of all the other stuff.  I was just dispelling the fallacy
|> that was presented in whichever recent heretical post that i was responding
|> to that music is as good as the Bible (or that the Bible is in our hearts, 
|> so that we already know it all, or whatever was said.  I forgot.)

Actually, what was written was that the SPIRIT is in our hearts, and the Bible
is the means by which we make It grow and flourish.  That is what was said.
God reveals Himself to us in our hearts, and we expand that by learning more
about Him and His Son in the Bible.  There is only one person who knew
the whole Bible, and that's Jesus Christ...no one else....

Take care, God bless.

John			 "Rockin' for the One Who is the Rock"
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: What are your favorite Christian Christmas albums?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:27:42 GMT

Personally, I love stryper's _Winter Wonderland_. Has this been released
on anything besides the picture disc?

Unlike many on this group, I've found Amy's _Home for Christmas_ to be
a fast favorite. I think it highlights her voice more than _A Christmas
Album_, and I like the choice of songs *better*. 

On the non-christian end, Burl Ives is the all-time No. 1 for me; however,
Weird Al's _Christmas at Ground Zero_ is a must have for entirely
different reasons.

My wife, it should be noted, prefers her collection of "Trim the tree
with Dr. D" favorites.


Topher
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From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:37:44 GMT

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

[post on 'wasting time' deleted]

>Now, let me see if I can draw all this together, and restate the main points.
>God knows (knew) that we will all waste time, not directly serving Him.  
>To God, there is probably no difference between listening to rock music, 
>playing golf, reading fantasy, or even posting or reading non-christian 
>news.groups.

This seems to me to be a rather fatalistic attitude.  Do you not think that
God wouldn't rather have us put that 'wasted time' to a useful purpose?  I
don't see a whole lot of wasted time in the disciples or Jesus' life.  Even
when He 'partied', he was sharing His Truth.  Paul tells us to bring all
of our thoughts captive to Christ.  Also, Jesus tells us that if we love
Him, we will obey His commands.

I just can't imagine that God sits up in heaven saying to Himself, "well,
I guess those humans are always going to waste time, oh, well."  Rather,
I think He's probably saying, "why can't they see what the really 
important things are."  Remember the story of Martha?  She was running 
around 'doing things' and complaining that Mary wasn't helping her.  Jesus
said, though, that Mary had chosen the better thing.

Yes, we will waste time, it is inevitable.  Our fallen bodies can not
maintain focused activity 24 hours a day.  However, I would submit that
God is not pleased if we spend hours every day reading-fantasy-books/
watching-TV/playing golf (pick your activity).  I think He would prefer
if we were reading His word, singing His praises and spreading His 
message.  Every minute we waste is another minute Satan can get a
foothold.  I'm sure he likes nothing more than watching us veg out 
in front of the TV all day Saturday and Sunday (or whatever).

>Nuff Said.

>Ted

>-- 
>So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
>too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
>oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
>by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
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From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Carman, art, and verbal abuse
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:32:19 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        I EXPECTED this kind of verbal abuse and personal attack when I posted
about Christian industrial music on rec.music.industrial, but I thought that if
I conducted myself in a semi-responsible way other Christians would respond in
kind.  I see that I was tragically mistaken.
        Between the uncalledfor personal attacks Jason S. and I have recieved
here inthe group, I have gotten mail that goes beyond the petty insults aimed
at me here.
        If I had attacked anyone, or deliberately insulted anyone, I could
understand, but I didn't.  I could also understand, and forgive more easily, if
the people leveling the attacks showed any signs of even trying to understand
the conversation about Carman.
        I would like to thank those who participated in this debate in good
faith.  Because it is a blemish on this group, and on the body of our Savior, I
would hope that it dies now.
       
        I WOULD specifically like to thank the person who posted the official
definition of "artist."  According to large parts of that definition, I must
say, Carman does qualify.  Posting that was a very good idea.
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Jeff Johnson (was: Christian Jazz)
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:21:20 GMT

I was recently asked for information on Jeff Johnson.  Here's what
I've dug up.  Enjoy!

--
>I am writing you with respect to a jazz artist names Jeff Johnson that you 
>mentioned in r.m.c about him a little...do you know what CD's he has out
>and what label he is with?? I would appreciate as much info that you know.

I have only one album personally.  _Similitudes_, Ark Records, 
apparently distributed by Sparrow. (Star Song distribution)

The tape jacket lists the following:

	The Ark Music Series --
	  * Instrumental
	    _Similitudes_ * Jeff Johnson
	    _This Mystery I Pose_ * Jeff Johnson/Sandy Simpson
	    _Why Should the Heart Not Dance?_ * Jeff Johnson
	    _Born of Water_ * Jeff Johnson/David Friesen/Dave Hageiganz

	  * Vocal
	    _Pilgrimage_ * Jeff Johnson
	    _Fallen Splendor_ * Jeff Johnson
	    _Icons_ * Jeff Johnson
	    _Shadow Play_ * Jeff Johnson
	    _The Face of the Deep_ * Jeff Johnson
	    _The Awakening_ * Jeff Johnson/Sandy Simpson
	    _Through the Door_ * Jeff Johnson/Sandy Simpson

	To receive a free Ark Music brochure and be included on their 
	   mailing list write:

	   Ark Records
	   Box 230073
	   Tigard, OR  97223

I've heard Fallen Splendor and I think Pilgrimage.  Really cool.  Similitudes
came out in 1990, so the address should still be good.  Hhmmm....maybe I 
should post this on r.m.c.  :)

--
Eilidh Swan
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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: pray naked
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:07:29 GMT

P.S.

We already cover these 77's songs:
Fallin' Down a Hole
Can't Get Over It
Perfect Blues

we're working on:
Woody
Look

Jeff Elbel
Farewell to Juliet

p.s.  We do lots of our own stuff, too.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Returning to secular music
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:34:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec15.003531.17487@samba.oit.unc.edu> danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:

Noel writes:
>>I'll give an example:  I have on occasion (when
>>reading this group, in fact) been tempted to go back to some secular 
>>artists.  Now, this would be sin for me because it's against my conscience.
>>I would submit that those who always talk about how free they are to do
>>this are in fact running the risk of causing me (and possibly others) to
>>stumble.  That is wrong.

Daniel writes:
>But you see, where do you draw the line?  Shall we *not* talk about it
>because you are here?  Shoot, I would have to start secret groups in
>church for us 'stronger' Christians to be real so that we don't offend
>anyone.  Blah!  There has to be some better guideline here.  

My fiance -- who is totally awesome, by the way -- grew up in an extremely
legalistic home.  He's given lots of thought to this whole issue, and he
believes that the verse in Romans that we're discussing is often taken out
of context.  The way it _should_ be applied is the way Noel has just
applied it -- in other words, if my drinking alcohol may lead another
individual to drink alcohol against his own conscience, or lead him back
into alcoholism, then I'm wrong to do it.  The way it _shouldn't_ be
applied is to say that because so-and-so _disapproves_ of alcohol, I
shouldn't drink it.  

In other words, will my actions cause a sister to sin?  Then I
shouldn't do it.  Will my actions cause her to cluck her tongue at me in
disapproval?  That's a different story.  

Of course, if her disapproval will lead to other things, like being asked
to step down from teaching Sunday School or whatever, then I need to
reconsider again.  But then I think we've moved out of the scope of the
Romans passage.


-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Needing HELP in Washington DC!!
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:54:47 GMT

In article <4785@moscom.com> acb@moscom.com (Amy Bourquin) writes:
>
> I will be moving to  Washington D.C. on December 21 and would appreciate
> any information that would help me make some Christian connections.
>
> What are some good churches?

I know mine is cool! Covenant Life Church in Rockville MD off Muncaster
Mill Road (meets at Magruder High School until we get our building up
[yay!] in August)

>
> What are the Christian radio stations?
>

WABS AM 780, WAVA FM 105.1, and WDCT AM 1310 are 3 that come to mind.. oh,
and my radio show too! :-) "Full Metal Worship" on 94.5 FM WCXS

> Where can one buy Christian music?
>

Shepherd's Place Bookstore in Laurel is cool, also The Ark and Dove in
Alexandria and The Olive Branch in Rockville MD.. oh, Laurel is in MD,
Alexandria in VA.. and there are Family Bookstores in almost every mall in
the DC area.


> Thanks for the help,
>
> Amy B.

No problem!

Phil
Editor, Screams of Abel Magazine

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