HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: fido.nz.all.sysop,nz.general,demi-monde.allsysop
Subject: NZ BBS List, PLEASE READ
From: richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:54:53 GMT
Organization: Malleus Maleficarum - Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre


I'll be posting out the NZ BBS list in August, there won't be one for
July. I will send it to the Auckland University Mac FTP server and then
announce on nz.general.

Why? Well, I decided to change one thing in particular, and I am still
gathering information on other things. i.e

* Each region can have a comments field that details some more
  information than we have had previously. This includes details of
  the different networks, who to contact, etc.

* I am including a listing (seperatly) of the PACKET BBS's that are
  around NZ

Much of the information is aimed at sysops, new sysops, people who
want to join other networks, and those wanting to keep local lists
updated, as well as to give proper mention of those people who help
compile the list. As such, I will be putting two things in the ZIP
archive, one for sysops/sysop wannabees, and one for your average
user.

If people who belong to alternative networks could possibly let me
know more information I would appreciate it.

I am after information such as: Network description (what sort
of messages in network, restrictions, etc), contact person
in each region, and national contact person.

I have information on FIDONET, DEMI-MONDE, and USENET but would
like some more info on

INTLNET - Jonathan Mundy/Aaron Schiff
LOCNET - Hamilton?
STARNET? - Castle Rathbone
SLNET - Searchlight network
GayCom - Borderline/Portunus Little CBCS in Auckland
FamilyNet - Errol Thompson (national co-ordainator? who to contact
        outside auck?)
NZ Connect - Out of Sight?
OasisNet - Simplicity BBS
MugNet - Waikato CBCS?
NetTrade - Waitakto CBCS
NZ Connection Network - Sun City (Nelson)
ShitLink - Board Shitless (Wgntn)
AmigaNet - Cyberia (Wgntn)
Forum Net - Harbour Board (Wgntn)
PC-RelayNet - StarGate

Are there any I have missed out? Can anyone with information on these
networks please let me know?

What ho

Richard

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And Noah Spake unto his children: "Scattered showers my arse!"

FIDONET: Richard Vowles 3:772/110.0         USENET: richard@nacjack.gen.nz
Packet Radio: ZL1UTF@ZL1AB.#11.AKL.NZL.OC   The Demi-Monde: 199:310/1
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: CFD: nz.decus
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:18:17 +1200
Organization: The Wolery

gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington) writes:
> Yes - could you say why a mailing-list is insufficient or undesirable?

Nat, Are you blind, illiterate, lazy or what?  If you read back into the 
thread.... (and it hasn't expired, at least on Rata)

|From: don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes)
|
|andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
|> Eh?  You want a newsgroup to allow a mailing list to reach those sites
|> that mail gets to but not news?!?  Maybe you mean this the other way
|> around?  
|
|<sigh>
|
|The idea is that DECUS postings (LUG meetings, news etc) can be gatewayed
|to the mailing list without having to clutter people's mailboxes with crap
|from nz.general.  (OK, you might not think it's crap, but it's definitely 
|irrelevant.)  Such postings would may go to nz.general and/or nz.comp
|as well, but only postings either in or cross-posted to nz.decus will get
|echoed to the mailing list.
|
|There are a number of sites that have mail access but not news, particularly
|those reachable via PSI mail (DEC's mail-11 over X.25).  Tbird5.decus.org.nz
|has access to PACNET and can relay messages to such sites.  There may be 
|direct mail-only uucp-over-X.25 connections as well.


|From: don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes)
|
|andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:
|>Ok you've pretty much stumped me on this one ... why not just use a
|>mailing list?
|
|For much the same reasons as a lot of groups get mailing lists get 
|gatewayed into news:
|
|        - wider distribution
|        - people with news access don't generally like "news" items 
|          cluttering up their mail any more than necessary.  I for one
|          am inclined to unsubscribe from a mailing list within moments
|          of the findong out about a news gateway.
|        - better use of bandwidth (probably not really an issue with the
|          volumes involved here).

Sheesh.  


Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                       don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre           don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand             +64-4-495-5052
                                Vote MMP!
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: 19 Year old seeks work in radio or Television
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:57:35 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)

zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:

> I am presently wanting work in the Television or Radio Field.. Following is a
> posting of my Curriculum Vitae.. I'm not sure if this is the correct place to
> post this.    I want Work in NEW ZEALAND.. Thankyou..
>
> [...]

Grant, please give it a rest. This is the 3rd time you've posted this to
nz.general, perhaps the lack of a response might indicate that there's no-one
out there who's going to give you a job. There aren't that many people reading
nz.*, and most of them are computer nerds and/or work at one of the
universities.

Next time I'll reply with a point-by-point flame of your CV. I was *sorely*
tempted.....

						- k

PS If you really want work, actually tracking down people, ringing them up,
calling in to see them, etc etc, will probably have more success than casting
about on The Net.
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: CFD: nz.decus
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:30:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

andy.linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) writes:
> Let's cut the crap of having our own private news group for our own particular
> hobby horses otherwise I want nz.irish-dance-music, nz.tramping, nz.real-beer.

Hey, I'd vote for nz.real-beer!

> I'll vote NO!

That's your democratic right, Andy.  8-)

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Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                        don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre            don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand              +64-4-495-5052
                                  Vote MMP!
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes)
Subject: Re: CFD: nz.decus
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:32:02 GMT

don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
> I suggest the name of the group be nz.decus (for obvious reasons).

OK, so I now suggest that it be nz.org.decus.

If there's no more discussion, I'll put it to the vote.  
I can't remember what the "agreed" rules for new nz groups, but >20 votes
and a clear majority sounds vaguely familiar.  Anyone have any strong 
opinions on this?

Any further discussion before starting the ballot?

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                      don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre          don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand.           +64-4-495-5052
From: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:38:50 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: In a small room.. Far, far away!

In article <Bryyxy.9Hx@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney )) writes:
>
>Well, I was awoken to the sound of sirens this morning...
>
>...went to investigate, and what do you know Guy Fawkes
>came early this year!
>
>When I got into town; the old Parliment building was well
>and truly ablaze!  Last I heard the fire was still going
>(over 5 hours now), and about 4 firemen had been injured.
>Wellington absolutely positively stinks of smoke!
>
>The ironic thing is that tomorrow was supposed to be the first
>day of refurbishment of the old building, how the hell they (we!)
>were going to pay for that I don't know!!!!!
>
>Mark.	(wings are for the birds!)
>
>P.S.  FOR SALE:  Bags of Marsh-mellows, ideal for roasting...
>
>8-)   8-)   8-)

Yes it was quite a nice fire, and I thought someone had actually done the
RIGHT thing by burning it down, unfortunatley I
heard on the News that it was an electrical Fault.

Now the Sill prat Bolger intends even more to refurbish/rebuild the building.
What a silly thing to do, especially when there are many people finding it
hard living at the moment, sure the politcians don't have money worries,
but there ARE people who are unemployed (Like myself) who can't understand
why the Government would even _consider_ rebuilding the stupid building,
when tere are people living on the streets, working the streets at night.

They show NO consideration for the citizens of New Zealand whatsoever, and
all I can say is, thank god an election is near...

Grant Thoms..

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From: brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Brian Boutel)
Subject: Re: Email privacy ???
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:16:45 GMT


In article <23+Oxxj016n@thegrove.welly.gen.nz>, tom@thegrove.welly.gen.nz 
(Peter Browne) writes:
|> clear@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Charlie Lear) writes:
|> (stuff deleted)

|> 
|> > But I'm dead against Prodigy-style censorship where email is
|> constantly > monitored and users routinely have their email edited or
|> killed by support > staff.
|> 
|> I can't really see the difference , in both cases mail is read. You
|> seem im this discussion to be saying that anything you do on your
|> board is OK because it's your baord. You could be right, but to me,
|> and by definition, E-mail is private, always and forever.
|> 

When you agree to use a computer system belonging to someone else, you enter a
contractual relationship. The contract can make explicit the rights of the
owner/operator of the system, and may include the right to monitor
communications. If you are not happy with this, then don't do business with them.

If no explicit statement is made in the contract, who knows what the legal
situation is, and system managers would be ill-advised to leave their butts
uncovered in this way, which is what they have been saying. 

But it's a bit far-fetched to assert that "E-mail is private, always and
forever". Is email privacy an inalienable, universal human right, along with the
right to life and all those other important things? Or is its significance being
just a little exagerated here?

BTW, this morning's Dominion had an edited version of a speech by the Privacy
Commissioner, which touched on this. Mostly he listed topics that needed to be
addressed,  not ready-made solutions.

--brian


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Postal: Brian Boutel, Computer Science Dept, Victoria University of Wellington,
        PO Box 600, Wellington, New Zealand
Phone: +64 4 471-5328   Fax: +64 4 495-5232
From: rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: International Essay Competition
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:38:28 GMT
Organization: City Net -  Wellington City Council's Community Computer Network

21:37:23
21-Jul-1992

--  From: dubie@tnpubs.enet.dec.com
--  Subject: International Essay Competition
--  Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 10:12:36 PDT
--  X-Apparently-To: alt.education.distance.usenet

              AN INTERNATIONAL AND OPEN COMPETITION
           FOR ESSAYS ON THE USE OF TELECOMMUNICATION
                    IN EDUCATION AND TRAINING


Registration by: 30th September 1992
Closing date: December 1st 1992

Main Prizes: Round-the-World Airline Tickets

The Education Department of the State of Geneva wishes to encourage
investigations into the use of the new telecommunications technol-
ogies in education and training. To this end, the Department proposes
an INTERNATIONAL and OPEN competition for WRITTEN ESSAYS that describe
original design scenarios for the use of new technologies in an
educational and training setting. The design scenario may apply to an
INNOVATIVE EXTENSION or APPLICATION OF AN EXISTING SYSTEM, or it may
SPECIFY THE CREATION OF AN ENTIRELY NEW SYSTEM. The essays will be
judged by a Jury in consultation with a panel of Experts from
organizations in the public and private sector. The winning entries
and a selection of the best runners-up will be published by the
Organizing Committee.

For more information, contact:

Centre Informatique Pedagogique
Case Postale 172
1211 Geneva 3
Switzerland

Fax: 022/7810350
Tel: 022/3180530



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rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Referendum '92
From: earl@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:22:18 +1200
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.


Could someone knowledgable out there please confirm or deny the 
following:

I have heard (through heresay, pub gossip, whispers of treason
and from several "informed" bogans) that in the referedum, all
votes not cast - i.e. those too apathetic to vote - will be
treated as a vote for the continuation of the present
first-past-the-post system. 

Is this true? Or are just the votes for CHANGE compared with NO 
CHANGE ?

Andrew Earl, Bogan Extraordinaire

-- Many pages make thick book, except for pocket bibles which are 
   printed on very thin paper --
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: James (Jim) Luff responses...
From: russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:48:31 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

I am posting this on behalf of Jim Luff our Operations Manager in
response to Jon Clarke's posting "Letter from Auckland University".
(Jim isn't on "The Net").

\begin{ on behalf}

   I am James (male gender) Luff the sender of the letter that
   Jon Clarke complains of.

   I apologise for hurting Jon's thin skin, and the University is
   now grateful for the payment received from him since then.

   As the result of the letter (which went to all sites who had
   overdue accounts) the University has received long overdue 
   payments amounting to several thousands of dollars. We acknowledge
   them with thanks.

   Jim.

\end{on behalf}



-- 
Russell Fulton, Computer Center, University of Auckland, New Zealand.
<rj_fulton@aukuni.ac.nz>
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Lake Waikaremoana
From: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:27:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

As a foreigner in these parts, I'm using as much of my spare time as
possible to explore bits of NZ. I have been told that I should go and visit
Lake Waikaremoana, and I thought I'd go down there (from Auckland) for a
week during the August break.

Does anyone have any suggestions for things to see and do while there, and
on the way there and back? (Are Whakatane and Tauranga worth the detour?
What about Napier?---I believe it was rebuilt in the twenties, and so is
nearly all Art Deco buildings. True?) Where should I stay? 

Jeremy

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| Jeremy Gibbons <jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>  CS Dept, Auckland Univ, NZ |
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From: spt@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Travaglia)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: For Sale, 2400 ft Tapes
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:26:40 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato Computer Centre

	     FOR SALE - 2400 ft Tapes (6250 BPI Certified)

We're looking for people who wish to buy our old 2400 tapes.  By old I mean
anything from 1 month to 3 years old.  They were used for our full backups and
are in good condition.  (We're not even going to try to sell the dodgy ones,
we'll just throw them out.)

(They'll be erased before we sell them)

-- 

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         University of Waikato, Private Bag 3105, Hamilton, New Zealand.

Let us cling to our principles as the mariner clings to his last plank when
 night and tempest close around him.    -- Dr. Young
From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: Pat Cain <cain_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>
Organization: SillyNews, Sideways bulletin board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton) in
  <1992Jul27.204626.21741@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> writes:
> zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:
> >Now the Sill prat Bolger intends even more to refurbish/rebuild the building
> I think this view is some what short sighted. New Zealand is such a young
> country, we have very little sense of history and culture (Maoris excepted!).
> I think that it is important to preserve important pieces of the our past.
> The other side of the issue is that the $100 million will end up in peoples
> pockets just as surely as if it had been allocated to Social Welfare. (I
> admit that the distribution will be somewhat different.) Such a job is very
> labour intensive, a substantial portion on the total bill will be wages.

True, but Richard Prebble says that they should only be preserving the
facade, the two debating chambers and the public foyer, and replace the
rest with a modern building.  The rest of the building apparently
consists of "shoebox sized" offices.  I tend to agree with him that
preserving old offices is a bit pointless -- how many people want to see
lots of little secretary offices?

Besides, there are other buildings that also should be preserved .. just
across the road from Parliament is the biggest wooden building in the
southern hemisphere, but the education dept. have abandoned it and it's
rotting away.  And one block further south from that is the old District
Court that's currently being torn down (while they still can I guess) ..
from memory that dates back to the turn of the century.  Someone's
scrawled across the front of it in red paint "Nuclear propelled
politicians -- can they be trusted?".

Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus
From: andy.linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: NZ domain census
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.0
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:01:07 GMT
X-Phone: +64 4 495 5054 (Work) or +64 4 499 1819 (Home)
X-Organization: Victoria University, PO Box 600, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
X-Fax: +64 4 495 5232


I've been experimenting with Nitin Ganatra's 'census' tool and I thought I'd
pass on some of the results I got.

The following are the numbers of hosts registered in the DNS in the NZ domain.
This does not give any details of the Mail eXchanger (MX) records which
describe the sites which connect via UUCP etc. My most recent count of those
shows a total of around 120 domains in NZ including those listed here.

I find some of the figures interesting. I find it hard to believe that there
are only 9 machines at lincoln and 19 at massey. Are we at VUW really that
much bigger than the rest of the Universities? 

When this 'census' was taken for Australia they have in the region of 42000
hosts with a population of 5 to 6 times ours. I estimate that to have a
similar coverage per head of the population we should have another 5000 hosts
on the network in NZ. Perhaps if everyone had their hosts entered in the DNS
we might get a more realistic picture of the host density.


Domain			Hosts
======			=====
nz			1832

org.nz			4
ac.nz			1493
mil.nz			0
cri.nz			109
co.nz			1
gen.nz			60
net.nz			46
govt.nz			119

nzdri.org.nz		3

waiariki.ac.nz		11
massey.ac.nz		19
canterbury.ac.nz	61
waikato.ac.nz		364
vuw.ac.nz		667
wnp.ac.nz		3
lincoln.ac.nz		9
chmeds.ac.nz		3
otago.ac.nz		73
aukuni.ac.nz		283

greta.cri.nz		4
marc.cri.nz		11
palm.cri.nz		38
lincoln.cri.nz		7
kelburn.cri.nz		2
gns.cri.nz		11
ruakura.cri.nz		2
invermay.cri.nz		8
warc.cri.nz		4
grace.cri.nz		16
fri.cri.nz		6

netway.co.nz		1

uniforum.gen.nz		53
actrix.gen.nz		7

mafcent.govt.nz		3
wcc.govt.nz		31
mof.govt.nz		1
dsir.govt.nz		73
minedu.govt.nz		7
MoRST.govt.nz		4

cosc.canterbury.ac.nz	19
cs.waikato.ac.nz	59
mngt.waikato.ac.nz	150
ijk.waikato.ac.nz	73
math.waikato.ac.nz	22
regy.vuw.ac.nz		104
comp.vuw.ac.nz		240
isor.vuw.ac.nz		35
cs.aukuni.ac.nz		161
mat.aukuni.ac.nz	20
From: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant `Zoltar' Thoms)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re:  Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:20:12 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Silent Imperium Amiga PD Group

In article <1992Jul27.204626.21741@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton) writes:
>zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:
>
>
>>Now the Sill prat Bolger intends even more to refurbish/rebuild the building.
>>What a silly thing to do, especially when there are many people finding it
>>hard living at the moment, sure the politcians don't have money worries,
>>but there ARE people who are unemployed (Like myself) who can't understand
>>why the Government would even _consider_ rebuilding the stupid building,
>>when tere are people living on the streets, working the streets at night.
>
>I think this view is some what short sighted. New Zealand is such a young
>country, we have very little sense of history and culture (Maoris excepted!).

Sure! a young country, but we can't afford to blouse around rebuilding
historic buildings when there are more improtant issues at stake..

>I think that it is important to preserve important pieces of the our past.
>The other side of the issue is that the $100 million will end up in peoples
>pockets just as surely as if it had been allocated to Social Welfare. (I

But it would be doing so much more good being in peoples pockets rather
than on show to impress overseas visitors.

>admit that the distribution will be somewhat different.) Such a job is very
>labour intensive, a substantial portion on the total bill will be wages.
>
>So while I agree it might be politically insensitive, just at the moment,
>the project is not entirely without merit. I beleive it makes more sense
>than building our national museum in its propsed location. (Quite aside
>from the architectural questions.) Now that could be a real waste of
>money when the BIG one stikes!

I still stick to my original message, it is a waste of txpayers money, and
and the money could be put towards better causes..

Cheers,
Grant..