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From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: Re: bahamas casinos: comments please
Summary: O.K. Place, bad rules
Keywords: bahamas, casinos
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:36:02 GMT

In article <Bw48Fn.L6C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gribble@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (steve gribble) writes:
>Looking for comments, experiences, recommendations,
>warnings etc. about casinos in the Bahamas.
>
>I'm particuliarly interested in Merv's Paradise Is.
>Resort and Casino.

I was there in January one night on a cruise.  The package we got
included transport to the casino from the ship, a show (which was real
cheesy - mediocre dancers (rated R), o.k. comic, a juggler and an ice
skating pair.) and gambling.  Except for the accents of the help, it was
just like Vegas in decor and ambiance.  The BJ was 6 deck, Vegas strip
rules with DAS. I think the craps was 2x odds, $5 minimum. There was
baccarat, video poker, slots, keno, roulette and Carribean Stud Poker.
My wife and I about broke even playing BJ. One note: the players were as
dumb as I have seen on land. Only the ones on the ship were worse.
-- 
    Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
  hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
   Papoon for President - You Know He's Not Insane! - Endorsed by the
  American Friends of the Martian Space Party, League of Winged Voters
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Wanted: Rem 700
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvptFK.HAJ
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

I'm looking for a couple of Rem 700 actions, one with the small .470" head
size (ie cals 243/308/etc), and one long action magnum head size.

I'd be willing to pay up to $200 each. So if you have a Rem 700 that is
shot out, got the barrel bent getting it out of the truck, etc. I'd be
willing to take it off your hands.

*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
From: smpod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: How civilian buy gun in Europe?
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:59:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: venus.15OCT199212414695
Organization: who knows

d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes...
# ...
#2. If you are a member of the Swedish home guard, you will get a military
#   weapon of some sort (G3, m/45B SMG or Mauser m/96) 

You still use the M96?!
From: C_PUFFER@unhh.unh.edu (Charles   Puffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carrying while hunting - CCW
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:03:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Oct14.134141.1645
Organization: University of New Hampshire

In <1992Oct13.143253.11249@afit.af.mil> morlan@afit.af.mil writes:

# 
# In Ohio [......] I didn't feel the need to carry a second gun when
# using cartridge weapons because the primary hunting gun was easily used
# for a mercy shot if needed.
# -- 
# Bruce W. Morlan, Major, USAF             Air Force Institute of Technology
# Dept. Department Head                    AFIT/ENC
# Department of Mathematics                WPAFB  OH  45433

I have always been told you should carry a second gun for the mercy shot 
because of the risk of a risks of a high powerd round bouncing off a rock
and coming back to hount you. Of course in Ohio there are no rocks under ground
:-) like here in New England so the needs might not be the same.



[_-_-_-_-_]            
 |       |______________     Charles Puffer
 |      /             /  \   C_PUFFER@UNHH.UNH.EDU
 |    /_____________/      \
 |    |            |  |^|  |        Lord Duncan Forbes
 |    |            |  | |  |         Barony of Stonemarche
From: james@csn.org (Jim Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Scale and Choketube wrench
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: csn.Bw1AxE.HoD
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.


Howdy,

I have a few dollars left over from the last trap league's winnings
and I thought I would pick up some misc items.  Any advice, experience,
and/or recommendations on the following would be greatly appreciated.


1. MEC Universal Charge Bar -
   I would like to start experimenting with different powders to
   find one that patterns well in my new shotgun.  I'm also thinking
   of trying some 1 oz target loads and 1 1/4 oz field loads.  All 
   these permutations could make for a lot of bushings and charger bars.
   This would be for a single stage  MEC Sizemaster.  Any comments?

2. Powder Scale -
   I know I should have always had one.  I have been trusting that
   my reloader/bushing/powder was throwing the documented weight.  It's
   time to make sure and I'm especially concerned if I start using
   the item above.  I only reload shotgun shells.  It is unlikely but
   not out of the question that I will be reloading pistol or rifle
   cartridges in the future.  The RCB (or is it RCS or RCBS?) 10 * 10
   looks like a nice unit.  Is it overkill for my purposes?  Would
   a less expensive one or a Lyman do the trick?  Do you know of a 
   good place to mail order a scale?  I can get one cheaper at the
   local gun shop than I can from Gander Mountain.  Any other ideas?

3. Choke Tube Wrench -
   I'm considering one of the "speed wrench" varieties.  I have 
   invector-plus chokes.  The choke keys provided by Browning are 
   clumsy to me.  The Briley choke wrench pictured in their ads
   looks attractive.  Does anybody make something like that for 
   Invector-Plus chokes?  I saw a universal one in Shotgun Sports 
   called Pete's? Same idea as the Briley except one knob is used 
   to expand a rubber cylinder inside the choke instead of using the 
   slots in the rim of the choke, thereby "working on any choke tube". 
   
Thanks
james

-- 
 James K. Phillips       Sprocket Scientist     james@pvi.com 
  Precision Visuals, Inc.                       james@teal.csn.org
  6230 Lookout Rd      				
  Boulder, CO 80301    				(303) 530-9000 x308
From: lvc@cbvox1.att.com (Lawrence V Cipriani)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: sniper rifle in 'Navy seals' movie?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:41:43 GMT
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.

In article <9210071947.AA13229@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
#
#If you can find the book about Carlos Hathcock ("Marine Sniper"), you can
#read about him using an M2HB as a sniper rifle.  I believe that they used
#an Unertl scope.  Hathcock was credited with something like 93 confirmed
#kills during his career in the USMC.

Hathcock claimed 300 unconfirmed kills when I talked with him at an
Ohio Gun Collectors Association gun show a couple months ago.
-- 
Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or lvc@cbvox1.att.com
From: mxb1517@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.X. Blair)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: sniper rifle in 'Navy seals' movie?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ultb.1992Oct6.200909.25215
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct5.010752.18054@latcs1.lat.oz.au> jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis) writes:
#
#	Does anyone know what sniper rifle was used by the 'God' sniper in
#the movie 'Navy seals' staring 'charlie sheen' ? It looked as if it took 
#.50 cal ammo, or something as huge (made big holes in the wall!).

	I believe the weapon you are asking about is a .50 cal Barrett Light
(M82A1), in use by various Special Forces units.  It has a 11-shot capacity
mag using .50 Browning, and was designed to be an anti-material rifle
( though it does do quite a good job vs. personnel :-) ).

#	Also the sights on this weapon allowed the user to see the 'thermal
#images' of the enemy behind a wall in a night scene, is this possible?
#	Thanks in advance.

	I'm not too sure about this.   A true thermal sight will give you a
picture similar to what was shown, but not with that degree of clarity, 
especially in a combat zone.

											- Mike
From: leem@jpl-devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Lee Mellinger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock adoption
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:55:50 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)

In article <1992Oct7.093110.370@news.uit.no> steffen@stud.cs.uit.no (Steffen Baeroe) writes:
:In article <1992Oct6.135736.2367@news.yale.edu>, watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt) writes:
:|> In article <1992Oct4.061151.2515@netcom.com>, tmi@netcom.com (Peter Alan Kasler) writes:
:|> |> In <1992Oct3.003922.5337@latcs1.lat.oz.au> jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis) writes:
:|> |> #	Has the Glock been adopted by any large organization, police-force or
:|> |> #military?
:|> |> 	As of a couple of months ago, about 4,000 agencies or
:|> |> departments in the U.S. had adopted or otherwise authorized Glock
:|> |> pistols for use.
:I thought the FBI had ordered 50 000 Glock in .45 ACP??????

The FBI ordered about 3,000 SIG P226's as an interim replacement for
the S&W 1076.  To my knowledge they have not ordered any Glocks.:

Lee

"Mit Pulver und Blei, die Gedanken sind frei."

|Lee F. Mellinger                 Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA
|4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 818/354-1163  FTS 792-1163     
|leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV
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From: C96@vm.urz.Uni-Heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: lead free primers? Yes - RWS too.
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.9210081349.AA29357
Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany

In article <1992Oct7.044550.10490@michael.apple.com>
ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:

#Does anyone know who makes lead free primers and finished ammo
#with lead free primers?

#I remember someone said Fiocci made lead free primers, but I can't
#find them locally.  There was some mention that Blazer? ammo had
#lead free primers?   <Not all - some of them. A.E.>

Yes - RWS makes ammo with lead-free primers. This is called their
SINTOX line (obvious choice of name ;-)). I understand that the
primer pockets are shaped differently, so the primers alone
would be of little use to reloaders.

Alexander Eichener
<c96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
From: clochmul@nrambr.chem.duke.edu (C. H. Lochmuller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Marlin 1897-Date of manufacture?
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:13:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: nrambr.9210161450.AA04684

I came into possession of a 80% MArlin 1897 lever action rifle yesterday.
The only "serial number" is A28. The bore is actually bright, the mechanism
is not worn, the stocks are without gouges etc. abd the sights are intact. 

Is there anyone out there that can help me date the rifle? I checked the
Blue Book for first and last year { and gasped at the $ values suggested!}.
IT's in the safe with the 1886 Win, the Colt Lightning and some others now.
Waiting for a guess at production date. :-)

Is there an archive with such info that is net available? 

Charles.
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Solvent Substitutes
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:15:53 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

x90hornbach1@gw.wmich.edu writes:

#I'm curious if anyone has come up with a cost-effective substitute for gun
#solvent.  I hate to  spend $3-$4 for a few ounces of "gun solvent" when I could
#probably buy some other type fluid at the same price for a gallon.  I realize
#harsher solvents could have undesired results on wood or plastic finishes.  

I paid $12 for my last quart of Hoppes.  I can't imagine that being a hardship.
Nontheless, here are some alternatives.

Hoppes is primarily kerosene, turpentine and nitrobenzene.  Nitrobenzene
is not expensive in drum quantities ($20 a gallon or so) but very
expensive in the quantities you'd want to buy for homebrewing.
Try $72 a liter from Fisher.  All nitrohydrocarbons show at least some
cardiac activity and you've never thought you've died until you have
a nitro headache.  Proceed accordingly.

The military "Cleaner- Rifle Bore", Spec 2-117 - commonly found at gun
shows and surplus - is primarily kerosene and cresylic acid.  Cresylic acid
is the active ingredient in the so-called "heavy dip" carburator cleaner
available from auto parts stores in 1 and 5 gallon buckets at about $10
a gallon.  It is an excellent bore cleaner.  I've posted on the use of
carb cleaner before.  Cresylic acid has a couple of negatives.  First
is its odor.  Smells like its first cousin, Creosote.  Only worse.
It instantly penetrates the skin and guarantees you'll smell and taste
creosote for a day or so.  Because of this extremely unpleasant odor,
I use the same precautions when handling it as I do handling cyanide 
plating solutions.  It will instantly strip the finish from wood, 
etch and/or dissolve many plastics and cements and swells rubber like
nothing you've ever seen.  Drop a Volkswagen pushrod seal in some overnight
and then wear it as a bracelet.  If you use it with your gun, you MUST
remove any organics (wood, plastics, etc.)  The kerosene in the Mil Spec
bore cleaner seems to mute some of these effects but it also mutes
its cleaning ability.

There you have it.  I use carb cleaner to clean my pistols after 
stripping off the grips and other plastics.  Mostly I just use Hoppes.
I only use a quart or two a year so I think I can afford the toll.

John

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From: mjalava@lk-hp-14.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 12 guage recoil: how to limit?
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:15:51 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <1992Oct9.034451.331@nuscc.nus.sg> swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr)) writes:

#How can I limit the recoil of a 12 guage to make it acceptable to my
#wife (small--115 lbs)? Will removing a large percentage of shot reduce
#the propelled mass and hence the recoil? I'd like a simple solution
#without involving reloading etc.

I think you can find 12 ga shotshells with a light load that don't
scare your wife. The new skeet shells (at least in Europe they are
going to be the standard) loaded with 24 grams of 9 shot give VERY
little recoil. As you wrote you'd use the gun to shoot snakes I
suppose the skeet shell would be a good choice (a lot of small shot).
There are also very light hunting shells that you might try.

Also there are compensators (a device in the muzzle that ports gases
to the side and backwards) available for pump action and gas operated
semi-auto shotguns. They are supposed to make the recoil much more
tolerable. But the skeet shells are a cheaper solution, and you can
try them with little money before making any decisions.

I suppose removing shot from a loaded shell is not a good idea. The
load is balanced so the powder charge would be too big for the
remaining amount of shot. The shell would also be left only half full,
and the shot cup would get crushed over the pellets when firing,
possibly giving a very bad pattern. The shells might not even fire
reliably with too little shot charge. If the primer drives the shot
cup far in the barrel and the powder is loose and not enough confined,
it may not burn completely (or at all).

	Mika
From: ehorne@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric T Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Solvent Substitutes
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:17:23 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <199210111655.AA24922@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
#In article <9210111515.AA21226@gw.wmich.edu> x90hornbach1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
##I'm curious if anyone has come up with a cost-effective substitute for gun
##solvent.  I hate to  spend $3-$4 for a few ounces of "gun solvent" when I could
##probably buy some other type fluid at the same price for a gallon.  I realize
##harsher solvents could have undesired results on wood or plastic finishes.  
#
#I once fixed a friend's car brakes, and he mentioned that the Gunk (tm)
#a was using to clean off the asbestos(sp?) dust smelled just like
#the gun solvent he used. We both thought it was probably quite similar.
#Does anyone know for sure?

Sorry about the massive posting, but I just remembered that while I was 
cleaning my guns, I used this stuff that would dissolve easily dissolvable
things (like dirty solvent in hard to reach places). I can't remember the
name, it was I think Quik Clean or something - comes in aerosol cans and
it evaporates pretty quick. 

I was wondering if that stuff could be replaced with Brake cleaner? If I'm
not mistaken, break cleaner does not leave any residue and it cleans at
the same time. Any comments?

Also, another question. I was cleaning my 357 Magnum the other day and
noticed that metallic flakes were clinging to the cleaning patch. Upon
further inspection, I noticed that the inside of the barrel, close to
the chamber (it's a revolver, so whatever that thing that holds the
ammo is called), it looked as though some sort of plating was coming 
off. Being a newbee to cleaning/inspecting/owning guns, I'm not sure
what it is or if it is an indication of something. It's a Rossi 357
Magnum revolver, I'm not sure of the year (bought it used). It seems
to fire wonderfully, and it has been takin' care of in the past. Does
anyone know what the flaking is, and what it means?
	[MODERATOR:  Difficult to do any diagnosis remotely, so take
	 this with the proverbial grain of salt, but if you shoot any
	 amount of lead, non-jacketted bullets, then I betcha its lead
	 that has built up and is now flaking off.]

Or better yet, could any recommend a book on revolvers that I could read
that would explain this and oh so much more?

Thanks for the info!@

-Eric
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 12g shotgun defense ammo
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:16:16 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:


#At longer range there's no substitute
#for 00 buck or slugs. A single 00 buck pellet, 9 to the load, has a
#muzzle energy of 180 ftlb. That puts each pellet in the .380 Auto
#category. So a center hit with 00 buck is about like shooting the
#person 9 times with a .380, not too shabby.

	I just glanced through my old classical fizziks book, but
quickly became nausiated and had to stop.  As I remember, though,
one shot hit = 1 .380 hit.  Two shot hits = four .380 hits, and
three shot hits = nine .380 hits.  This is if the shot hits at the
same time.  While E= .5mv^2 doesn't equate to this, the power equation
(P = dW/dt) lends some credence to this as the .380 hits one at a time
while the shot hits at the same time.

	Can anybody confirm this?  I had thought this increased shock
and trauma is what made the shotgun so deadly.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: rat!fuji.vlsiphx!jking@uunet.UU.NET (Jay King)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 Pistol
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:20:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: vlsisj.1992Oct8.221114.12664
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc.


In article 363@megatek.com, cjp@megatek.com (Chris "Systems Stud" Pikus) writes:
##From article <9565.122.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>,
#	by cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss):
## OK, he is my situation - I ordered a .308 Howa barreled action with the
## intent of cutting it down to make a .308 pistol (like the Rem XP100
## series)  I am now told that I can't cut a rifle down to a pistol under
## the BATF rules and regulations - Something about barrel length and
## overall length of a rifle.  Is this true?  If so how does Remington
## and others make their XP type pistols legal?  Any comments would be
## appreciated.
## Bill Preuss
## cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss)
##
#

It's been a couple of years since I attended one of the seminars that the
ATF holds for FFL holders, but at that time their explanation of this part
of the law went something like this:


You cannot convert a rifle to a pistol.  However, a barreled action is not
a rifle because it doesn't have a buttstock.  So you may convert a barreled
action to a pistol.  In their interpretation, what mattered was how the firearm
left the factory.  If it left without a buttstock, it wasn't a rifle.
Silly, isn`t it!


As an aside, in a recent chat with an ATF agent ( a real nice guy BTW) he stated
that they may start to crack down on people who had a buttstock on their 
shotguns and then put the pistol grip on with no folding stock.  His explanation
was that once it was a long gun you couldn't make a pistol out of it.  I'm not
sure they can pull this one off, because I think the law says "rifle" not Long gun.
On the other hand, I don't want to be a test case.

Before you do anything, I would call the local branch of the ATF and ask for the
address of their technical office in DC.  You can explain to the agent you talk to
what you intend to do and get his opinion but I would not trust him as the final
word, especially if he won't put his opinion into writing. (these guys are not the
most highly trained people in the world IMHO)  And remember, you are dealing with a
branch of the government which has shown a propensity for hanging the ass of Joe
Citizen for minor and unintentional infractions.  Anyway, write to the ATF technical
center and explain what you intend to do.  In a couple of months you should hear
back from them with a writen decision as to where they stand this year (their
interpretation of the law changes from time to time) on the question of barreled
actions and you may procede  - or buy a stock and make yourself another deer rifle.
In any case I would wait until I heard from them.  Or you could buy a Reminton.

On the question of Excise Tax, I don't think you have to worry, but it won't hurt
to ask.  And I wouldn't waist your time or money on an attorney, most don't know
their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to firearm law (IMHO) and the
ones that do you proably can't afford.

Good Luck

Jay King
From: minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov (Minh Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Can airgun scope be used on centerfire rifle?
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.9210122323.AA15751
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

I know that a centerfire rifle scope cannot be used
on an air gun due to the dual-phase recoil of a
piston-operated air gun.  I'm wondering now if
an air-gun scope can be used on a centerfire
rifle? I would appreciate any info/help, as
I have a real nice target style air gun 
scope that I like to use it on my 30-06
when I'm not practicing my air gun indoor...
Thank you very much

  == Minh ==