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From: kroth@david.wheaton.edu (Ken Roth)
Subject: Re: Chasing (the) kangaroos
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:36:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.201301.11106@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering) writes:
>> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>> Ever notice how there seems to be this continual passing of themes 
>> back and forth between The Choir and Adam Again? ;-)
>no, but then again i don't listen to Adam Again. i can readily
>believe they'd do such a thing, especially seeing the amount
>self-referential stuff just in the Choir's albums.

Of course, I should start with the statement that you SHOULD listen to Adam
Again...

>"Render love..." (Render Love) v. "Render love..." (Rifleman)

Just pulling out this one.  The 'Render Love' you hear at the end of Rifleman
IS the original Render Love.  It is just a sound bite from the earlier album.
It points out what we SHOULD be doing instead of wanting revenge...

>> 	The Rifleman, dead at 71.
>> "when I revel in peace or glory in war, I always wanted a shirt 
>> like Mark wore"
>>                The Rifleman / The Choir / Chase The Kangaroo
>wait, there really -was- a rifleman? who? there's so much background
>about the Choir that i don't even know... (i wish they'd keep putting
>little comments on the lyric sheet like they did on Kangaroo.)

Oh....oh...the YOUTH on this board..
Well, just kidding, but the Rifleman was a 60's TV show.
Mark was the kid in the show, and his father was 'The Rifleman' a REAL fast
and very good shot with his rifle.  He would NEVER start the shooting, but the
bad guys would usually end up dead when they started trouble.  The idea of the
song is that 'Well I pray for peace, but I revel in war'...we talk peace, but
in the situations like the gulf war, we seem to want war to happen (well, I
did).  [BTW, I thought that those are the the lyrics of the above line, but I
could be wrong.]

It is, though, a good show.

>jason
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Ken
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From: twiggs_te@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: SATAN! Apology
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:29:01 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

	I would like to apologize for the SICK, DEMENTED humor of my fellow
peers.  May we all pray for their delivery into the Christian faith.
	
	I have now changed my password to exclude these misguided young
men from any interaction with the internet.

					God bless us all,
						Todd Eric Twiggs
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Praise and Worship Song Leading
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:47:48 GMT

In <1992Oct29.000259.12947@wam.umd.edu> alpo@wam.umd.edu (Doug Johnston) writes:

>Sure!!  I am in the Campus Crusade for Christ band here at U of MD.  We have
>one six string guitarist, two twelve string guitarists, a bass player, and a 
>keyboard (me).  We play every Friday night at our weekly meetings and also had
>a chance to play at our Fall Retreat w/ Towson, West Va., and Howard (with 
>others also). 

>Favorite Praise and Worship songs?  Where do I start? 
>   Shine Jesus Shine

Hhhmmmm.....any chance this became some other people's favorite at
Urbana '90??!!!!   (That's how it hit our IVCF chapter in Santa Barbara!)

Eilidh Swan
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From: Your Name Here <NetID@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Bei Domini? (Veni Domini)
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19: 59:52 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:54:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.152353.11717@bsu-ucs> ,
00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>Hey-ho...
>
>I've got a friend who told me about a band called "Bei Domini" (or
something
>like that) which I am still unable to find.  Does anyone know about these
>guys?  It's thrash in the vein of Seventh Angel and Detritus.
From: bourland@roentgen.radonc (Dan Bourland)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: drums and worship
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:52:47 GMT
Reply-To: bourland@roentgen.radonc
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 4159@cbnews.cb.att.com, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>In article 1ds2knINNbkc@agate.berkeley.edu, tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas Jer Chen) writes:
>>
>>   I am a relatively new drummer for our church and would like to generate
>>discussion about the use of drums in worship.  Although drums and cymbals
>>have been mentioned in the OT in conjunction with praise, it seems to me
>>like some churches feel like drums are more distracting than other more
>>conventional "worship" instruments (e.g. guitar and keyboards)  Specifically,
>>what are some steps that I can take to minimize distracting effects and
>>maximize the additive effects of drums?  
>
>1)  No fifteen-minute solos.
>2)  No rotating drum kit on a raised platform.
>3)  No tossed drum sticks to the congregation.
>4)  Try to keep your tongue inside your mouth.
>5)  Minimal flailing.
>6)  No keeping time with the drumsticks raised above your head.
>7)  Leave the cape at home.
>8)  The gong may not be necessary.
>9)  No fire breathing.  
>10) Wear a shirt.
>
>Oh, and Dan Bourland's suggestions were pretty good ones too.  Good luck.
>
>Andy Whitman
>AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
>att!cblpn!ajw  or
>ajw@cblpn.att.com


Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm too serious... To quote a famous drummer from
a well known television show:

	"Eat drums!! Eat drums!!"
	"No, no, no, Animal, 'Beat drums!'"

Ya gotta have kids.

Dan "there is a reason besides driving tractors that I have a hearing
     loss in the noise frequency range" Bourland

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From: davej@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (David F. Juraschek)
Subject: Mister Mister Christian?
Organization: George Mason University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:52:48 GMT

Was it just me or did anyone else get the impression (from lyrics and
subtle gestures/imagery in videos) that Mr. Mr. may have really been a
secular group but made up of Christians?

By the way, what happened to them anyway?

-Dave
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees)
Subject: Re: Seeking upcoming concert info in MN
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:23:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov05.214734.12660@rchland.ibm.com> dharker@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>Hi everyone.  I've been asked by a friend to find out if
>there are any concerts coming up in the Twin Cities or 
>in Rochester, MN.  Please let me know...
>
>Sorry about USA distribution, but I don't know how to limit to
>just one state... 
>
>
>Dave Harker
>

[Following taken from a New Union Flyer, all events are at the New Union]

11/6	Sojourn
11/7	Deitiphobia w/ Wigtop
11/13 	Big Big Fish
11/14	Sacred Warrior w/ Battalion
11/15 	David Mullen & the Faded Blues Trio
11/20	P.I.D.
11/21	Painted Orange w/ The Stand
12/4	Someday Soon
12/5	Seraiah
12/11	Code of Ethics w/ Jaws of Life
12/12	Zoe
12/18	Torn Curtain & Fields of Youth
12/19 	Fighter
12/31	EMergency Crew, James' Strange Dream and Big Big Fish

Call 1-612-379-2858 for more details.


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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: TANGENT: "Christian" as an adjective
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:27:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In light of the current (ongoing?) discussion about "Christian" vs.
"non-Christian" music, I'm reminded of what somebody somewhere said about
the use of the word "Christian" as an adjective rather than as a noun. 
That individual (can't remember who it is) said that he didn't think it
should ever be used as such, that Christians have created a culture and
filled it with certain things that they then define as being "Christian." 
Is anyone else familiar with this thinking?  

How would you define something as being "Christian"?  

Note to people who would rather not read a thread that doesn't deal
exclusively with music:  I've put the word TANGENT in the subject line so
that you can put it into your permanent kill file.


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Subject: Re: Christmas music recommendations
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:34:18 EST
Organization: Penn State University

   I just bought a good one yesterday, it's by Neil Diamond. I always thought
that Neil was Jewish, so this one took me by surprise. But it IS pretty good
though, if you like Neil Diamond, that is.

                                     -Ed

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             Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
            Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
"Between the worlds of men and make-believe I can be found."-D. Fogelberg
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From: martinez@megatest.UUCP (John Martinez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Petra Concert
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:25:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: megatest.25313
Organization: Megatest Corporation, San Jose, Ca

I have been a Petra fan for years, and I know they are coming 
to the Stockton area (about 2 or 3 hours' drive from San Jose).

I need to know specifics about the concert (where, how much, etc.).

I really appreciate your response.

Thanks.



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martinez@merlin.megatest				880 Fox Lane
voice: (408)441-2953				San Jose, CA 95131
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From: nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:38:19 GMT

>aeg@vixen.uucp (24104-gronczewski) writes:
>> What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?

Worry.

>> My son came home one day and said that the new hot group on the 
>> school bus is Metallica.  He is a seventh grader and goes to a 
>> Catholic grammer school.  Thanks to the threads on this net I 
>> passed along some of the info about Metallica to my son and told 
>> him to stick with Carmen instead. (He likes Carmen very much)  

The fact that the "world" (in this case, the kids on the bus) think it's
cool is a warning.  Scripture generally teaches that the things the world
honors are generally not of God.  If millions of heathens flock after this
group, this should be some type of warning to those who are pursuing
holiness.

>> I would not want to re-kindle the intense discussion that just 
>> recently ended, but any material concerning their religious 
>> convictions, music, lyrics, etc. that I can pass along to other 
>> parents would be appreciated.

My best advice to you is to pick up one of their albums (don't buy it, just
get a copy somewhere and listen to the lyrics), and then go to the store
and pick up a couple of those teen heavy metal magazines that are so popular
with some Metallica interviews in them and judge whether you think that type
of thing is something God would want you to let your son follow.

Also, I agree with Steiner that getting him involved in Christian \
alternatives would be better.  There are some very talented Christian bands
out there - White Cross, Barren Cross, Holy Soldier, Saint, etc.  Get him a
stereo that's louder than the other kids' on the bus - let the Word be
heard! :-)

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nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     do after the sermon is over.
Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
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From: speg@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Doug Speheger)
Subject: Re: TANGENT Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:06:32 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

In article <1992Nov9.143417.5613@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.144258.1487@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu> malee@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>
>(God and the GOP post deleted)
>
>From Webster's Ninth:
>
>satire - n. 1. a literary work holding up human vices and follies to
>ridicule or scorn  2. trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose 
>and discredit vice or folly
>

Also from Webster's:

blasphemy - n. contemptuous or irreverent [lacking respect] speech about God
or things reguarded as sacred.

     Although, I agree that the notion that one politician or political party
is "God's chosen" is ridiculous, it seems that a better method to communicate
this could have been chosen.  I would not call the "God and the G.O.P." post
blasphemous (I saw no contempt - at least not toward God), I did not see much
reverence shown either.  Is God to be reduced as a source of humor (trenchant
wit, irony, or sarcasm?)  Is the name of the Lord to be used as a pawn to
prove or disprove a political opinion?  I hope not.

speg


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Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:51:37 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

aeg@vixen.uucp (24104-gronczewski) writes:
> What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?

congratulate them on their musical taste?

> My son came home one day and said that the new hot group on the 
> school bus is Metallica.  He is a seventh grader and goes to a 
> Catholic grammer school.  Thanks to the threads on this net I 
> passed along some of the info about Metallica to my son and told 
> him to stick with Carmen instead. (He likes Carmen very much)  

now that is something to be worried about. (*insert big half smiley
here* IMNSHO, Carmen is one of the cheesiest excuses for a 'musician' 
there is.)

> I would not want to re-kindle the intense discussion that just 
> recently ended, but any material concerning their religious 
> convictions, music, lyrics, etc. that I can pass along to other 
> parents would be appreciated.

you want something you can use to convince other parents that Metallica
is evil & they shouldn't let their kids have it on the bus so your
child won't be influenced by it? sorry, can't give you any such thing.

there is nothing inherently evil about Metallica. yes, they are not 
Christians. they -are- talented artists. if it were me, i wouldn't worry
too much. however, it's not me, so i'll give you ideas that might work
a little better.

your son will encounter a -lot- of things that you'd probably rather
he didn't. you can protect him from a few, but there's no way you can
turn him in a sterile "Christian" version of the bubble boy. a better
approach would be to boost his moral "immune system". teach him to 
evaluate what he sees and hears. if Metallica is truely bad for him 
he should be able to determine that himself. provide alternatives. 
take him for a trip to the nearest book store with demo tapes and 
spend two hours finding Christian bands with musical styles he likes. 
get one for him. let him take a tape player on the bus with his new 
purchase & provide a better alternative for the other kids as well.

a positive approach may be harder to take, but it will work a -lot-
better in the long run, and give your son a strong foundation for
those times when you won't be there to eliminate the less desirable
things from his life.

a guy who's been the subject of both methods, and knows which one works,
jason

ps: One Bad Pig is generally a winner with that age group.

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From: sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley)
Subject: Re: Chasing kangaroos
Keywords: The Choir
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:04:37 GMT

In article <1dpidlINN6gb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ddevries@wpi.WPI.EDU (Daniel J. de Vries) writes:
>
>  Does anyone have any clues about what "Chase the Kangaroo" means
>  (from the Choir album with the same name)?  One of my brothers
>  told me that he thought he understood the song once, but has since
>  forgotten what he thought the message was.  I like the sound and many
>  of the songs on the album; but I am curious as to why one should chase
>  kangaroos, or live in Sydney for the remainder of one's life, etc.
> ______________________________________________________________________
>  Daniel J. de Vries              |  "The world is a great nursey and
>  Biomedical Engineering Dept.    |  men are children trying to spell
>  Worcester Polytechnic Institute |  'God' with the wrong blocks."
>  Worcester, MA                   |          -- John Foxe
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

I asked Steve about this one a couple of years ago when they were 
touring with Russ Taff.  This is what I gathered from what he said.
   The song came to him from his experience as a construction worker 
(note the reference to the shovel) and is basically about perseverence,
ie. "Shovel go deep, heart be true."
   I guess the image of chasing a kangaroo is just about keeping up 
with things even when they seem impossible.  I imagine this song is about
much more than just making it through a rough day at work though, since
those were difficult times for Steve and Nancy (See liner notes - Sad Face).
   As far as the rest of the individual images, I'm not sure off the top of
my head, but I think they all pretty much point to that same theme.  By the way,this song is incredible in concert.  I'd have to say that Choir at 
Cornerstone '91 is definitely among my favorite shows of all time.



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From: easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: What is industrial music?
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:22:11 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

What exactly is 'industrial' music?
 
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From: rogers@fangorn.wr.tek.com (Roger Southwick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:31:00 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.
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Ty Jacobs (taj26@cas.org) wrote:
: 
: The next Smitty tour starts in January '93.  You can call 1-900-7SMITTY for
: concert schedule details ($0.95 per minute).

And the $0.95 a minute goes to?  I assume something like Compassion Intl,
but can anyone confirm this?  Enquiring minds want to know....

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From: dianebi@ice.wv.tek.com (Diane Biernat)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Michael W. Smith
Keywords: Concert
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: dianeb@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Wilsonville, OR


Does anyone know the tour schedule for Michael W. Smith?  Or do you know
where I can get one?  When Amy Grant was in Portland over a year ago she 
said he was coming here soon, but we haven't heard anything since then.

Thanks!
From: dianebi@ice.wv.tek.com (Diane Biernat)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Michael W. Smith
Keywords: Concert tour
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:11:59 GMT
Reply-To: dianeb@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Wilsonville, OR

Michael W. Smith will be appearing at the Memorial Coliseum in Portland, OR
on Tuesday, March 30.  Tickets are not yet on sale.

Thanks for the information about the 1-900-7SMITTY number.  It worked well!
I thought I'd have to wait for all the info from Jan till March, but if you
use a touch phone and push the postal two-letter code for your state, such 
as OR, the tape jumps right to the concerts for that area.

The local Christian Gift Shop is trying to locate an entire listing of towns
he will be appearing in, and if they find it, I'll post it for all of you to
read.
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