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From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Speed Collisions
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:46:32 MDT
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Organization: Utah State University

In article <RDUFF.93Jan8083956@arrirs04.uta.edu>, rduff@arrirs04.uta.edu (Robert Duff) writes:
> 
> After watching the DS9 preview, i got to thinking:
> 
> 	They use warp fields to reduce the mass of the ship/station,
> I assume in order to make it easier to propel.  However, in BOBW II,
> Riker, in desperation, orders a collision course with the Borg Vessel.
> He then orders engineering to prepare to go to warp speed.
> 
> 	If the ship were to jump into warp, wouldn't its mass be so
> reduced that the net effect of the collision would be like throwing a
> balloon at the target?
> 
> Ever pondering...
> 
	To put in more of my own $0.02, I think that DS9 answers this question
quite effectively.  When Chief (Leutenant, Lt. Cmdr, what ever his new rank
will be....and please flame on about this one, but that is another message.)
O'Brian moved the station, the warp field integrety wasn't all that good. 
Remember that he needed to boost the power output just a little bit more before
he could even get the field integrety going for what he had.

	Now just imagine if you took the Enterprise's warp field and had it
only go half-way through the Borg ship.  Half would stay in normal-space while
the other part would start going through the warp envelope along with the
Ent-D.  Keep in mind, too, that warp fields are nested so that when a starship
goes into warp 2 it has two of these envelopes, on up to warp 9.  You must
admit though that this would be a sucidal move because the resulting debris
traveling through the envelope would cause considerable hull damage, assuming
that somehow the raw energy discharge from an interstellar-capable ship could
be absorbed so close up.  One other problem with making this a normal battle
tactic would simply be getting that close to any enemy.  Most Romulans (or
Klingons for that matter) would blow you out of the sky with everything they
had well before you could even get that close, or they would turn tail and warp
out of sight with their cloaking devices.


		Rob "Woodchip" Horning

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From: sweet@ug.cs.dal.ca (garth r sweet)
Subject: Re: Trill Symbiosis
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:31:01 GMT

Joshua Susser (susser@apple.com) wrote:
> I just saw the premier of DS9 [DSN?], and was thinking about the Trill
> "joined race".  The relationship of the host and the rider is described as
> symbiotic, not parasitic.  It's clear what the benefit is for the rider,

[ STUFF DELETED ]

> 
> So the payoff for the rider is a mobile body and a fresh outlook on life to
> rejuvenate its psyche.  The payoff for the host is the knowlege and wisdom
> of the rider, and the eventual continuation of its personality when the
> rider moves on.
> 

	Hmmm. Maybe not canon, but I like it! Makes sense and fits well.

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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: More Holodeck
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:28:40 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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Adrian Hurt (adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk) wrote:
: Mind you, I'd do it by
: recursion - tell the computer to run a program replicating the NCC-1701D in
: real time, including a replica of itself running the program.
: 
: :-)

Such a thing would fit very nicely into TNG, but moreso into the earlier
seasons, beacause it's a straight rip-off of the TOS episode where Kirk
killed the ship's computer by telling it compute pi -- all of it. :)

CJW

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From: rlbell@babbage.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: 1701-D Flagship
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:44:34 GMT

In article <1if5r0INN2c8@goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu> starride@goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu (David Chase) writes:
>
>	Well I see that someone flamed me before I got to do it
>to myself. A friend of mine told me and showed me were I was wrong 
>about the saucer going warp speed by itself, ie it does not have its 
>own warp drive.
>

The Tech Manual is very pretty and has many nice pictures.  It is also
filled with a lot of clever pseudo technobabble.  It is only slightly
more canon than the animated series IMHO.

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From: z57n@unb.ca (MCKAY  N)
Subject: Re: Federation Marines
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:46:16 GMT

In article <C0EEEt.59B@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:
>From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller)
>Subject: Re: Federation Marines
>Date: 5 Jan 93 20:32:52 GMT
>In article <1993Jan01.022816.6561@uumeme.chi.il.us> drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard) writes:
>>
>>Now, the Enterprise-D, however, has been called "in the series itself" a "battleship"...
>>and the episode wherein it was stated she COULD, in times of emergency, carry UP TO "several thousand troops",
>>would mean that she had the room & life support to do so (proilly by keeping every
>>engineer aboard on-duty 23-1/2 hrs a day  8-{)}  ), she did NOT do so on any 
>>regular basis... in fact, I seem to recall the statement "But, she's never been
>>called upon to actually do so, of course"...
>
>I was on a small frigate sent to the Persian Gulf. The ship was already filled
>to capacity when the Navy decided to add a Stinger detachment and a
>detachment of Army soldiers. The ship was carrying almost a third more people
>than she was designed to handle. Water was rationed and the soldiers slept in
>the sailors racks during the day then the sailors would use them at night. This
>lasted for four months.
>
>IMO the Enterprise D could easily convert the crew's cabins to 6 or 12 person
>bunkrooms. The cargo bays have been used for refugees and could house several
>thousand marines. Federation Marines would probably have some sort of portable
>replicator for their own use. These could augment the ship's life support
>systems.
>
>V/R
>
>Marc Mueller, LT USNR 

They probably could, but the Enterprise can carry about 6000 when all of the 
living quarters are installed (they are removable modules).  Trouble is, 
there are only enough lifeboats for about 1100 or so people...

Neill McKay (z57n@cenov1.unb.ca, NOT z57n@unb.ca)_
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From: barryl@mongoose.tansu.com.au (Barry Lightbody)
Subject: Complaints about spoliers
Reply-To: barryl@mongoose.tansu.com.au
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:55:47 GMT

Here is a cut/paste from a article I have just read.


>>>but i'm curious did anyone catch the NCC designation and the name of the
>>>Excelsior Class ship that had its saucer section blasted by the Borg?
>>>
>>HEY!!! Knock it off, some of us haven't seen the first episode yet, it
>>doesn't start here till Thursday........please put SPOILERS in your
>>subject line!
>
>Don't worry, it's not a spoiler.. It's 'almost' the same scene (different
>angles etc.) that we saw when the borg came to earth..A bunch of dead
>starfleet ships and the borg shooting the ones that were still alive. It has
>nothing (directly) to do with the plot of the show.


You have nothing to complain about not seeing episodes until THURSDAY.

Up here is Australia I believe we are still on the second bloody season. Deep space
9 is a dream that may become reaility 5 years or more down the track.

I only know of the Borg attack on Earth becouse I found an copy in a video store.
The only copy of this episode that I have found in two states mind you.


So quit your complaining and consider how lucky you see current episodes, instead
of episodes made 4-5 years ago!!!.

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: course of the Enterprise?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 01:53:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1993Jan9.040417.9652@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne) writes:
>Umm, in DS9: Emissary, they say that the worm hole carried them either
>7000 or *70,000* light years from Bajor.  SOmeone might check that,
>because the latter is truly impossible to swallow.

Any particular reason a wormhole taking you most of the way
across the galaxy is harder to swallow than one taking you across
a spiral arm is? I'll check, if no-one else does. As it stands,
the 70,000 light year jump makes more sense, at it'd take 70
years at moderate Warp to travel that far, making the use of the
wormhole much more beneficial than a wormhole that only saves you
7 years.

Joshua
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: WARP SPEED STUFF
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:06:16 GMT
Organization: McGill University

>
>Second,  as I explained in my "FTL and Relativity" article, the only
>required change in physics that subspace must have is that anyone
>traveling in subspace always has the same frame of reference.  This
>would mean that the speed of light would be different for different
>travelers within subspace.

Actually, whether you have a special frame or not you'd still be faced
with the problem of the speed of light no longer being c as I explained
in my "Not the Technical Manual" article.

It should be said that Jason Hinson wants this special frame because it
is the only way to preserve causality.  For discusions in causality,
see my article (to be posted in a few days to coincide with the FAQ) or
his article (which I suppose will be posted at the end of the month).

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From: FELSON_ADJ@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: trill
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:37:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Of course the producers can replace the actress/actor anytime
they want, shades of Dr. Who.
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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Subject: Re: Excelsiorclass ship that was blasted in DS9
Keywords: DS9
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:17:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.045524.747@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser) writes:
>hiya i've just seen Deep Space Nine and the begining was **Fabutastic**
>
>but i'm curious did anyone catch the NCC designation and the name of the
>Excelsior Class ship that had its saucer section blasted by the Borg?
>
>also does anyone know what other classes appeared besides the
>Excelsior and Ambassador classes? 

HEY!!! Knock it off, some of us haven't seen the first episode yet, it
doesn't start here till Thursday........please put SPOILERS in your
subject line!

Gary

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From: gdearing@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory D Dearing)
Subject: Re: More Holodeck
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:17:26 GMT

In article <C0Dztt.7K6@mach1.wlu.ca> mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) writes:
>khill@vax1.umkc.edu wrote:
>: Enterprise NCC-1701D program, I then enter that HOLODECK and run another
>: Enterprise NCC-1701D program, etc. (you get the picture).  Something tells
>: me that eventually the Enterprise would run out of memory and come to its
>: knees!!  Why use photon torpedos when all that is needed is a little cunning
>: 
>Nice idea, but I have a hard time believing that the main computer would 
>allow the holodeck computer to commandeer all of its memory, causing a
>failure.
>
>Phil Martin.
>

Actually, I seem to remember a few times when the wrested control from the
ship.  There was one in which the Holodeck was called on to create
an Sherlock Holmes mystery which could beat Data.  In the other, one
of the engineers was granted a super-intellect and used the holodeck
to build his ideal interface with the ship.  I suppose someone out there
-- 
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From: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP (Austin Phelps)
Subject: Re: Excelsiorclass ship that was blasted in DS9
Reply-To: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:07:16 GMT

cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne) writes:

> They never showed a very good view of the Melbourne, so it's possible it
> wasn't exactly an Excelsior class.  

Wasn't the Melbourne the first one to be blasted? That what it looked 
like to me.

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From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: why transporters can't work
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:12:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <C0qIC2.Gyo.2@cs.cmu.edu> dst+@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) writes:

(A good look to at the problem deleted, except this):

>The only way I could see all this working is if the computer had such
>tremendous artificial intelligence that it could exercise human judgement
>about what to beam up and what not to.


I sort of like to think of it that way.  When asked "how does the computer
know when to turn off the communications link between two people when 
neither hit their comm. pins?" I usually think, "well when would you cut
it off?"  If the computer can mimic the decisions people would make in the
holodeck, then why can't it exsersize such decisions itself.

I am STILL in the process of writing my own science ficion book, and I have
just about decided that that's the way the computers work in my universe.
The only problem is making sure this doesn't make the computer too powerfull.

However, it would make an interesting place to live.  Picture the computer
as a faithfull servant who follows your commands with basically the same
reasoning ability as a human being.  Next time you wonder how the computer
knows what officer X ment it to do, ask yourself what you would do if you
were the computer (i.e., you could use your reasoning ability and the 
computers speed), and see if that doesn't help.


-Jay
From: fkao@bu.edu (Frank Kao)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: technical manuals of Klingon, Ferrangi, Borg Ships
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:25:03 GMT
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I am just wondering if anyone knows wether if there are any technical specification
manuals on these ships, just like the one for the enterprise.  If you know please
let me know.
I am also looking for gif, or jpeg pictures of these warships.
thanks
fkao

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From: trek-info@dweeb.fx.com (Jim Griffith - Moderator)
Subject: Administrivia: resumption of normal services
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It looks like our Net connection is back up.  Please disregard the temporary
instructions and resume submitting via normal methods (posted articles or
emailed submissions to trek-info@fx.com).  Thanks for tolerating the
interruption.

				Jim

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From: mal@cosmid.apldbio.com (Mal Raff)
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Subject: SanFran CH44
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:56:08 GMT
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Jim:
	As per your request, I'm resending this note to your own address.
If this is a repeat of a similar message sent to the 'normal' address, please
ignore.

	This is a follow up to a note I sent to you a couple of months ago
regarding the local San Francisco Ch 44 (KBHK) broadcasts of Star Trek.
According to a conversation I just had with KBHK staff, they have moved into
thier new offices as per their original estimate.  However, they appear to
have been very optimistic about when they expected to include stereo in their
broadcasts.  Their new estimate is 'early spring'.   Disappointing in light of
DS9 and Babylon 5 (due in February).

Regards....

Mal

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From: brown%vidiot.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu (Michael L. Brown)
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Subject: Paramount Press Release: ST:DS9 - 403: A Man Alone
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(Press release for 404 on the way)

A Man Alone

Episode #403



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	[none]


				_C_A_S_T

	Commander Benjamin Sisko		Avery Brooks
	Major Kira Nerys			Nana Visitor
	Chief Operations Officer Miles O'Brien	Colm Meany
	Jadzia Dax				Terry Farrell
	Odo					Rene Auberjonois
	Dr. Julian Bashir			Siddig El Fadil
	Quark					Armin Shimerman
	Jake Sisko				Cirroc Lofton

	Keiko					Rosalind Chao
	Zayra					Edward Laurance Albert
	Rom					Max Grodenchik
	Bajoran Man #1				Peter Vogt
	Nog					Aron Eisenberg
	Ibundan					Stephen James Carver
	Ol Man/Ibudan				Yom Klunis
	

	Written by:				Gerald Sanford &
						Michael Piller
	Directed by:				Paul Lynch



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE: "A Man Alone" -- Odo must prove his
	innocence when a known enemy of his is found brutally murdered
	in a Holosuite.


_A_D_V_E_R_T_I_S_I_N_G_ _C_O_P_Y

	A MOTIVE FOR MURDER

	The evidence shows he's a killer!  Can Odo find a way to clear his name?


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Sinister plot implicates Odo in murder on STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE
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From: "Stephanie M. Clarkson" <thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
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Subject: r.a.s.i submission
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I'm not sure if this is quite what you're looking for submissions for 
r.a.s.i., but I thought it was cute, and worth passing along :-)
 
 
========================================================
from the October 1992 issue of Canadian Living, page 125
========================================================


Trekkers Unite!
===============

        Student trekkers, eager to advance the cause of their favourite
TV show, are going where no trekkers have gone before.  Engineering
students at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon stacked a 
student union meeting in February and voted to change the name of the
USSU (University of Saskatchewan Student Union) to the USSE (University
of Saskatchewan Starship Enterprise).  The union executive members were
renamed Captain Kirk, Spock and Bones, and graduate students are to be
called Klingons - at least until the next campus coup.
        And at McGill University in Montreal, students voted in a 
referendum to rename the student union building in honour of former
McGill student William Shatner (who played Captain Kirk on the original
"Star Trek").  Shatner graduated from McGill with a business degree in
1952.  The final decision nor rests with the school's board of governors.
 
 
Hope you can use that...
 
Stephanie...

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