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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Kentucky Stuff
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:53:26 GMT
Organization: My Daddy, My Doggy, and Me
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       [fascinatin' stuff deleted]

  The name-the-team contest is over and my bread-upon-the-waters
  suggestion of "The Unforgettables" was the winner. Either you
  USENET junkies flooded the mailbox with it, or it was such an
  obvious dose of hoakum that choosing it was unavoidable. So many
  people submitted it, they are going to draw lots or straws or
  something. If a USENET account holder is named the winner, I'll
  always feel a tad parental about the name. Just from my e-mail
  in response to my announcement, I know there were better names 
  available, but public acceptance of nick-names means everything.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
From: SNOSZB@vm.sas.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:45:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: vm.92099.104532SNOSZB
 <1992Apr7.204725.27397@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.204725.27397@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
wollum@dryer.ecn.purdue.edu (pack backer) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.133540.6358@ncsu.edu> sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev
>Banerjia) writes:
>>It's now official.  There has been a changing of the guard in college
>>basketball: Duke is now the best program in the land, head and shoulders
>above
>>the rest.  The Blue Devils remarkable success has now relegated, IMHO, Dean
>>Smith, the inimitable Deano-meister, to the role of second-best coach in the
>>ACC, much less the nation.
>
>Congrats Duke, but what do you mean "now relegated"?  I've always
>thought that Dean's team has been one of the (perenially) most
>overrated teams.

A lot of others have, and would still, disagree with you (myself not included).

>
>>
>>Congrats to the 1991-92 Duke Blue Devil's, the greatest college team in the
>>history of the ACC (yes, better than 81-82 Tarheels or 73-75 WolfPack!).
>>
>I'd still bet on 73-75 Pack.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Sanjeev
>>
>>P.S. Dov, does this mean you're gonna start a FOURPEAT sig?
>
>Mark
>North Carolina State University Class of 1990

Out of curiosity, exactly how many of the WolfPack's games did you watch in
'73-'75?  I graduated a year ahead of you (1.5 years behind schedule) so maybe
I'm a year or two older than you (?), and I was too young to know what b-ball
was about when I was 7-8 years old (in 1973).

The question I'm asking: are you picking the '73-'75 team because of their
legendary status in WolfPack lore (like so many of our fellow alums do) OR did
you actually get to see them play, either live or on tape, enough to form an
opinion?  If you actually did see them, then you're lucky to have seem one of
the better teams ever; if not, could your opinion have been formed on the basis
2nd hand information?

No flames, just trying to stimulate the thread...

Sanjeev
BSCS '89
MSCS '93 (?)
The North Carolina State University at Raleigh
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: could Packer be related to Laettner
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:55:20 GMT

watching the NCAA final game, i noticed that Billy Packer kept focusing on
why Laettner is not having a good first half. What i don't understand is what's
the big deal with anyone having a bad start? The way Packer put it, it seem
pretty obvious he is rooting for Duke. He kept emphasizing on Duke's poor
performance during the first half...Sheesh, gimme a break, I thought these
guys are suppose to be neutral and just call the game. 

How about Michigan playing a great first half, rather than Duke having a 
bad one? The favoritism is obvious....I hope this clown does not get selected
to be any future Final Four commentaries except for the other Final 4,ie
the Oldsmobile Final Four Sellathon.

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
From: sasrem@herald.unx.sas.com (Randy Mullis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: It didn't take long...
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:50:50 GMT
    <11083@borg.cs.unc.edu> <2295@news.duke.edu> <2299@news.duke.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasrem@herald.unx.sas.com
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In article <2299@news.duke.edu>, rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
|>
|>
|> I'd just like to take this opportunity to invite the 95% of the people
|> who read this net that wanted Duke to lose for some petty/jealous reason
|> (i.e., not true UM fans, "Big Ten" fans, or those who just liked the
|> Fab Five) to go directly to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
|>
|> You know, it's funny, all season long I got the impression that these
|> were the same people who thought UNLV's program was the greatest thing
|> since sliced bread.  Duke's certainly not perfect, but our basketball
|> program has made us proud yet again.  I guess some people just can't
|> stand other people's success, even if it's a result of hard work, good
|> talent and great coaching.
|>

I remember those TV shots of Coach K's wife cheering for Kansas to
beat UNC at last year's Final Four as well as her doing the tomahawk
chop when Florida State was playing UNC in this year's ACC.  My point
is not that Mikki K. is representative of all Duke fans, but I do
find it interesting that you are angry about people pulling AGAINST
Duke (as opposed to people pulling FOR a certain school) as if this
is a new phenomenon.  Haven't you ever seen those bumper stickers
that say "My favorite teams are (State, Alabama, USC, etc) and whoever
is playing (UNC, Auburn, UCLA, etc.)"?

As a longtime Carolina fan who has endured years of fans pulling
AGAINST UNC, I would advise you to get used to a sizable group of
people pulling against Duke.  You protestations on the net will
probably have little effect.  This is a modern version of the Hatfields
and the McCoys:  "I pull against your team because you pull against
my team!"  "Well, I pull against your team beacuse you pulled against
my team first!"

-- Randy Mullis
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Subject: Re: Who was Indiana's Mr. Basketball
Reply-To: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:53:22 GMT

	Here's my prediction for next year.  There will be a co-Mr.  
Basketball next year.  It will go to Kojak Fuller and Randy Zachary of  
Anderson High School.
	Also, I don't see anyone stopping Anderson since Zachary announced  
he will be playing there next year.

			Sincerely,
			Tony Erwin

Go Jay County Patriots!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: The Final
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.153830.3398@samba.oit.unc.edu>, George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
|> 
|> 	I don't see how in hell Duke can be favored tonight.  It was clear

Your point of Duke not playing on top of their game is well taken, but 
neither is Michigan as seen in Sat. night's game (which you did mention).  
Bad mental mistakes by the Wolverines could doom their chances if Duke is 
"on" tonight.  I can't see how Duke wouldn't be favored given they're
the #1 ranked team in the country, a #1 seed in the tourney, only lost
2 games, etc.  

BTW, the official line is Duke by 6.

|> that playing such a short rotation all season has begun to wear on the Duke
|> players, as they were sucking wind in the last 5 minutes.  Meanwhile, Michigan
|> finished strong against Cincy, and has enough depth to wear the Devils down.

True, but it was Michigan's horrid start that had me concerned.  

|> If you look back to the last time these clubs met, you'll see that Michigan
|> has improved tremendously, while Duke has just settled down a bit.  So, even
|> if Duke were at full strength, I'd give the nod to Michigan.  But, with Davis
|> out with a high-ankle sprain (that's three this year), and Grant Hill playing
|> on a sore knee, Duke is going to have to give major minutes to Parks and 
|> Clark, and those two don't have the experience in big games to really contri-
|> bute.  It looks like the fab five are gonna pull it off.

Hope so.  It should be mentioned that Juwan Howard was in bed yesterday
with the flu, but should be expected to play.  Eric Riley and Michael Talley
also had the flu, but were well enough to practice yesterday.

One last tidbit :

Chris Webber said his day was complete yesterday when Valvano and Vitale
picked Duke to win.  "That made me feel good because they've picked us
to lose every single game so far."

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: PUrdue coaching staff  
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:42:10 GMT

William Mark Ehlers writes:
>
>p.s.  Just as I thought, Not one article about any embarassing actions by the
>Purdue coaching staff.

Only because nobody notices losers. (Ch-ching!)

Actually, Gene has thrown his jacket into the crowd several times,
but I always assumed it was to cover up his wife's face.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"George, who's using the family brain cell at the moment?" - E.
Blackadder
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: PUrdue coaching staff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:12:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.204210.24941@colorado.edu> burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>William Mark Ehlers writes:
>>
>>p.s.  Just as I thought, Not one article about any embarassing actions by the
>>Purdue coaching staff.
>
>Only because nobody notices losers. (Ch-ching!)
>
>Actually, Gene has thrown his jacket into the crowd several times,
>but I always assumed it was to cover up his wife's face...

	....which is a good thing (ch-ching!)

-- 
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From: souissi@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-IU--the problem with basketball
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:49:26 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr5.071235.20569@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>Now this brings me to a flaw in basketball. The officials can easily ruin a game.  This is unlike some other sports including the worlds most popular sport
>soccer--in which it is very very hard and unusual for a ref to alter the tempo of a game or to screw it up. That is one of the reasons soccer is such an excellent game.  Basketball unfortunately can have a foul on seemingly every possesion which puts a tremendous burden on the refs to be on the ball. If the refs arent on the ball--as they so often are not, then the game is screwed. It is altogether too easy in basketball for the officials to play the deciding role in the game. Football also has that probl







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In soccer a player can faint to have been fouled and make a dive
on the floor, and if the referee is biased, he can call a penalty
quick which may be decisive to the outcome of the game (I think
that the penalty kick awarded to Germany in the 1990 world cup final
against Argentina was ugly).  Similarly a referee may choose
to call a play an offset or not which may be decisive too.  The last
word goes to the referee of course... But I am diverging from
basketball now ...
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>driving a ref can pretty much whistle a holding penalty if he is so inclined
>screwing up any big gain.
>  I hate to see a game when one spends as much time watching the refs as the
>  players. ASny sport which makes this possible has an inherent flaw in it. I though the DUKE-IU game was a perfect example of that. I though the officiating   completely took IU out of their rhythmn and hence game. Mostly by continous small calls which kept going against IU, but calls which added up in a HUGE way. I  think serious efforts need to be taken to imporve collegiate officiating NOW. The paying fans ought to make it clear that they are finished putting up with crap. Officiating varies so much f







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>om game to game it is sickening. This ruins so many excellent games. If anyone reading this is pissed off also--BITCH to anyone who will listen. Its time to start a ground movement. What about Baileys foul on the dunking Parks? That was a tiny little slap on Parks forearm at WORST. How many times have we seen SHaq or other players going up with people hanging off their arms and nothing called? This game to game inconsistency is outrageous.
>  This isnt to take anything away from Duke's win. I though Coach K showed a lotof class after the game. I really like the guy. He was somewhat critical of Laettner in his postgame comments and I like a coach who will tell it like it is--even if it means some slight admonishment to his own player.
>  Roy "pissed off the refs ruined a stellar matchup" Navarre
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: You've got to hand it to Christian
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:54:29 GMT

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.162616.4082@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matt Ross) writes:
>******Criticisms of laettner and NBA future deleted******
>>And you don't need a crystal ball to see this.

>I don't think Laettner will be a huge star in the NBA, but I feel he'll be
>better than some of the guys he's being compared to. The one thing that I
>thought showed Monday night, was how much easier it is for him at Duke to
>be a star than it is for a guy like Shaq at LSU. When you play Duke the 
>decision is who will guard Laettner, when you play LSU its HOW many guys
>will play Shaq. 
>Russ Smith

I think Laettner will be okay, but he'd better pick up some stamina.  His
NBA team isn't going to be standing around for 20 seconds waiting for
everyone to catch their breath before they run the offense.

john
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: nelson@palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Nelson Jordan)
Subject: Re: Recruiting:  Junior, Jeff Capel
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:04:07 GMT

In article <11199@borg.cs.unc.edu> brawn@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Andy Brawn) writes:
>Junior Point Guard Jeff Capel, ranked by Gibbons as the #11 Junior in
>the country has verbally committed to Duke.  Capel will probably be
>right behind Jerry Stackhouse (ranked as the #5 junior) as the top player
>in North Carolina.
>
>This, according to Gibbons, is only a surprise in that Juniors do
>not commit so early.  
>
>Obviously this is good news for Duke but it could also be good news in a
>way for Carolina and other schools looking at Randy Livingstone, another
>junior point guard and tied THIS season with senior Jason Kidd as the
>High School Player of the Year.  Why, Livingstone, who although is said
>to be a life-long Carolina fan (what other point guard has said THAT
>and then not come here) is considering Duke as well as other schools that
>I don't know at this time.  
>I say good news for Carolina, or someone else,  because Capel gives
>Duke two quality PG's
>(Chris Collins is the other) for life after Hurley.  In Livingstone's 
>view three might be a crowd.  The bad news would be if Stackhouse and
>Capel turn out to be inseparable pals.  Stackhouse has been called
>"The next MJ" (we've heard that before).  Actually all descriptions make
>him sound very much like Rodney Rogers.
>
>Anyone heard anything on Livingstone?

 The last thing I read said he has LSU at the top of his list, but that every
major program in America is recruiting him.


>
>--Andy Brawn
>  Go Heels!  Go Bulls!
From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Forecast on Big8(was Re: preseason top 10 - no order)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr7.230020.5355
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Scott D. Davis writes:
>As for the Big8....
>Colorado will lose Law, Markham and Greg Price.  They'll need a pt.G
>	that can handle the ball and shoot 3s and need some big guys.

Price and Markham are no great losses. These two guys backed up
Hodges, and are a case of height being wasted on the tall. Law,
however, will be sorely missed for his ball-handling, free-
throw shooting, and toughness. In the OkSU game, he took a hell
of a shot to the throat from Cornell Hatcher. Law just got up and 
kept playing like it was no big deal.

By the way Scott, my e-mail to you keeps bouncing back like
Tigger.

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"Better than marrying it." - B. Fawlty
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Tark to Spurs
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

Jerry Tarkanian now moves from discussion on the college group on to the 
pro group, because he was named head coach of the NBA San Antonio Spurs
yesterday.  Tark may have  some troubles in the pros, because of the salary
cap, something that didn't exist at UNLV! :-)
--Robert Clough
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent
From: kmetz@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:06:34 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Apr10.184028.6292@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes: 
> This brings up an interesting question:  how good are most of you net.gods
> at playing basketball?  What types of players are you?  And come on, be
> honest - no false claims.

 For the record -- I'm a tall [6'4] player of medium build.  Basketball is
my favorite sport to play, as I'm best at it.  I rebound quite well, and
shoot fairly well out to the 3 point line.  Like many non-collegiate players,
my speed and ball-handling abilities leave something to be desired.

Kevin Metz -- kmetz@desire.wright.edu -- Wright State University, Dayton OH
"On in an Mtv Rock'n'Jock game can you hear the ump say "He hit a pig,
  so he gets an automatic triple"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: "Louis \"Ichabod\" Stone" <lhstone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Kentucky HS Mr. Basketball
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:21:01 -0500

No.. suprisingly enough the KY HS Mr. Basketball is under no obligation
to go to a Kentucky school.  He does get a free ride though if he does-
no questions asked.


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From: billa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Arnold)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:47:52 GMT
Subject: Re: NCAA Worst BB Games
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college

In rec.sport.basketball.college, cpsigd01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> We recently discussed the NCAA best BB games.  The results were very
> interesting.
> 
> After the NCAA Final game, perhaps we should discuss the worst NCAA BB games.
>                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	I will start with the following:
> 
> 	1.  Duke vs Michigan 1992 Final Game.
> 
> The game stunk!  There were lots of teams which could have beaten either one
> of those pugs.

Veddy Interestink!!!  I wonder why none of them beat either Michigan or Duke?
I really get tired of people who think that sports will turn out according
to their predictions and who bitch when they don't.

I saw a great game in which two very tired teams sucked up their guts and
went at each other.  I wonder how many of you net jocks could work your
way through several very tough games and then play at a peak level.

> 
> 	2.  Your choice.

Not work commenting on.

> 
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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Subject: NCAA Tournament
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 21:22:19 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.


Comments on two earlier posts:

First, I find it rather amusing to see Indiana basketball fans complaining
about officiating. I've watched Indiana get some of the best officiating 
this side of Notre Dame for years due to Knight's intimidation of the
officials. There may have been a couple of bad calls, but the real story
was crystal clear: Duke just plain turned up the defense in the early
part of the second half and Indiana couldn't handle it. I've watched
Indiana do that to teams I like a number of times. Good teams can do that
(even to other good teams) and they don't need the officials to help them.
Incidentally, in each of the last two years Indiana has gotten some really
glaring help from the officials in their tournament games against Florida
State; no one seems to be remembering that. (Note that I'm not asserting
that FSU would have beaten Indiana with good officiating--in both games
Indiana was simply better in the second half--but the officiating was
still clearly tilted toward Indiana.) Also, in response to a particular
gripe someone made about Cheaney's fourth foul (I don't recall the poster
and am not trying to hassle anyone anyway), the way you go up for a
rebound in the middle of three guys on the other team, come down with it
and afterwards get a foul called on you is by swinging an elbow at
someone, which is exactly what Cheaney did. Get the tape if you missed
it; they showed in on the replay.

Someone else posted some statistics on performances of different
conferences in upset games in the tournament over a 10-12 year stretch.
I don't know what one would seek to get out of this information about 
the relative strengths of the conferences, because the information is
fundamentally flawed for this purpose. Why? Because if a conference is
very strong, say even totally dominant, then their teams will seldom if
ever play as underdogs against teams from other conferences. If they
are always the favorites, they can't ever win in upsets. A more detailed
analysis is definitely required if you want to really determine which
conferences are better tournament conferences.
--
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