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From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (THIS SIDE DOWN)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: gel-cell batteries Re: rec.motorcycles FAQ of 93.01.01 (Part 4 of 5)
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:57:03 GMT
Organization: The People's Number Four Cat Farm, Berkeley CA, USA

dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:


>Q:  The battery in my ZX-10 died.  I can get a generic replacement for
>    $43 or a no-maintenance "gel-cell" battery for $82.  Is the gel-cell
>    worth it?

>A:  I have no idea.  Let's see what the rec.motoids have to say.

My first question would be "how often do you drop your motorcycle or
operate it leaned so far over that the electolyte spills out of the top
of the battery?" -- the big advantage to gel-cells it that they may be
mounted and operated in any configuration, as the electrolyte is a
semi-solid gel rather than a watery mixture which leaks out of the
vents on the top when you turn your bike over.

Other than this useful property, gel-cells are just like regular
no-maintainence lead-acid batteries.  You may find that you prefer to
have a battery where you can replenish the distilled water electrolyte,
as when a battery gets warm, it does lose some of its water to
evaporation and if that water is not replenished, the battery is
fried.


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From: trsajo@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Johansson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Yamaha TDM 850, comments wanted.
Keywords: TDM850
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: trsajo@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden


I am thinking of trading in the old R100RS for something new, and since
I prefer shorter (20 - 200 miles) trips on twisty and sometimes bumpy
roads some kind of off-roadish bike interests me. And YES, I love unpaved
roads, with lots of gravel! (The R100RS prefers tarmac, but copes pretty well
with most surfaces. It's a bit heavy though, especially when it slides ;-)

The TDM appears to have the same riding position as an off-road bike, but
how does it handle bumps and unpaved roads? Should I get a Transalp instead?
(No, the Africa Twin is to heavy!). The KLE 500 also looks interesting, but 
I've already got a dirtbike (KDX 200), and 500cc is a bit small on the road.

Two cylinders is better than one (less vibrations I hope :-), and 850cc should
provide enough pover (77hp i think). 

What I really need is a bike that is perfect for shorter trips, sometimes two up,
on twisty, bumpy, sometimes unpaved roads. It should also be possible to put some
luggage on it and make a longer trip 1-2 weeks a year. The R100RS is perfect for 
these 1-2 weeks (or more...) vacations, but the rest of the year... 
And a CBR900 doesn't handle unpaved roads that well, or does it? Maybe I should
try one of these as well :-)

Any comments on the good's and bad's of the TDM 850 would be appreciated.
Especially the following:
	-Can it handle both paved and unpaved roads? preferences?
	-Vibrations? At what speeds?
	-At which speeds does it cruise happily? (I hope up to 80 mph)
	-How long can you cruise at 60 to 80 mph before getting tired of windblast
		and vibrations? (I'm 5'10" , 176cm, tall).
	-What mileage can I expect?
	-Is the engine torquey or peaky? (Displacement and bhp is similar to R100RS,
		which leas me to suspect similar, ie nice characteristics).
	-Does it break down often? How?
	-How easy is the maintenace to do for your self? Do I need lots of Yamaha
		special tools and very small fingers to get at things hidden behind
		layers of other things, ie bike always seems to be built around
		the faulty part? ;-)
	-Does it hold its value, or should I look for a cheap almost new bike?
	

I just have to find one of these for a test ride, as soon as the winter is over!


Anders Johansson
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From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: First Bike Opinions
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:06:49 GMT

In article <76568@apple.apple.COM>, robg@Apple (Rob Griffiths) writes:
>In article <C0rGtp.685@synoptics.com> noemi@synoptics.com writes:
>>Re: picking up a bike as a requisite to owning it:

>One additional point here.  Don't overlook the effectiveness of adrenalin
>and rage!
>
>When I dumped my last bike (CBR600, ~430 lbs) in a low-speed get off, it
>wound up in a fairly deep ditch, resting almost upside down.  Somehow, I
>managed to turn it over, muscle it out of the ditch, and get it onto its
>kickstand.  There's >no way< I could have done this in a normal situation.
>Even more bizarre, I barely remember moving the bike.  All of sudden, it
>was just up by the side of the road.

After dumping my 503lb dry 900 Ninja, and badly spraining my right
wrist in the process, I had the bike back up in seconds.  Talk about
adrenalin!  For days afterward, I could hardly move my wrist much less
muscle a near liter bike up from the ground with it.

--
- )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  DoD #400
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: To KotL
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:09:25 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <1it0nk$ptj@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>In fact there happens to be one particularly expensive motorcycling
>>accessory that I know the KotL desperately needs right now.
>
>They are not particularly expensive.  I picked one up last month for $300.
>Used, but in excellent condition.
>
>Anyone can afford one.  They just have to want it bad enough.
>
>Many people would be happy with any old beat-up piece-of-crap one if the
>alternative was none at all.
>
I have no joke, I just like saying 'Noemi'sRatBike'


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From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Real life facts about insurance companies
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:43:44 GMT

Reminds me of the "war" between NJ and NYC. They (NYC)
tax commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC. Needed
to pay more bills so they based the amount of tax payed
to NYC on how much both you and your spouse make even if
your spouse did'nt work in the city. Well NJ commuters
complained enough that NJ decided to "Help" them and said
"Well if you are going to tax both the commuter and their
spouse (who does not work in the city) we're going to do
the same thing". Big help that was. Don't ya just love
bureaucrats.
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From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: trolley track tragedy in San Francisco?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 06:59:30 PST

Bob Pasker (earlier post) is correct.  The cable car tracks are not
wide or deep (although there is a central slot as well as two rails).
The commonest accident involving these seems to be runaway cable cars,
not loss of traction.  Not very frequent in any case.

Al Moore (DoD 734)

Live forever or die in the attempt

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From: morin@noao.edu (Meg Morin)
Subject: Re: Hurray!
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:51:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.233258.22585@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.182335.15385@noao.edu> morin@noao.edu (Meg Morin) writes:
>
>>Just wanted to proclaim my membership to the DoD! Yeah!
>>My number: 0788
>>Thanks, Ed!
>
>Ryan, are you listening?  Could this be Ed, as in Ed Hackett, perhaps?
>

Okay, Okay! It's Ed ... as in Mr. Ed! Jeeeezzz!


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From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)
Subject: Re: Too Much Riding??
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:42:02 GMT
Organization: InForm Group Ltd.

In article <1993Jan11.012019.14578@trl.oz.au>, phil@trl.oz.au (Phillip Bouchier) writes:
> Too Much Riding??
> 
> Have any fellow riders had the same problem I have?
> 
> Over the last couple of months I have been suffering from a sore neck.
> [painful stuff deleted]

> My question is, could the cause of this pain be the continous high speed wind
> against my face together with the heavy fibre glass helmet I use. I am
> 37 years old, I started riding at 19 years of age, and had a bike for nearly
> all that time. I would estimate that I have accumulated 190,000km. 
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^
I hope like hell that riding hasn't caused your pains. I've been riding about
3 1/2 years and already I've covered about 85000 km's. I'm only 22 so I'm
easily gonna fly past 190,000km's. By the time I reach your age I'll be in
total agony if your theory is correct :-(

Mike 

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From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:00:47 GMT

>>In article <moseley.151.726165026@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>>>BMWs, Ducati, Harleys - these are bikes with character for sure. They don't 
>>>work as well as the other (Japanese) bikes, but they've got character the 
>>>others lack. But why is character so expensive? Why does character cost more 
>>>than function?
>
But wait, the new Yamahahaha GTSA100000 Morpho Sport Megablaster Tourer is
supposed to cost $14K (I *think* that's expensive). Does that mean it 
has character? Is it built in or was it added on? And where did they find it?
Did they travel as far as Berlin to find it? Or Wisconsin?

Inquiring minds want to know.

-John

P.S. Glad to finally hear what's wrong with my BMWs - they don't function.
Geez, I wonder why *I* didn't think of that.......
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:49:53 GMT

In <1ia5urINNgj7@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:

>In article <moseley.151.726165026@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>>BMWs, Ducati, Harleys - these are bikes with character for sure. They don't 
>>work as well as the other (Japanese) bikes, but they've got character the 
>>others lack. But why is character so expensive? Why does character cost more 
>>than function?

>Because character is inversely proportional to volume (would Harleys have 
>"character" if everybody rode one?).  



  Everybody does. Look around.


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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:10:02 GMT

In article <1788@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
|
|	Attention... Cease fire...flames off...please.....
|
|				Ok, Now that I have your attention...
|							I have a Number 
|								#0780
|
|								thanks for your attention...

Sure, no prob.

Poser.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
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From: jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan)
Subject: Re: Hi-Def shields
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:09:07 GMT

From article <1993Jan8.142738.10180@bnr.ca>, by space@bcarh2b1 (Scott Pace):
> Can anyone offer opinions on High-definition face shields

As an aside, several manufacturers of sunglasses also make models with
hi-def (orange) lenses. I use Serengeti Drivers (by Corning) for
general use, but for motorcycling I prefer wraparound shades to keep
the dust etc.  out of my contact lenses. My favorite models for
motorcycling are the Gargoyles, which offer frameless lenses that wrap
around farther than the viewport on my helmet. Recently I've seen
Gargolye advertise a hi-def model for about $70. This is available in
the military configuration required by the DoD (fancy that), with the
reinforced bridge and the silicone nosepiece, a design that is also
just about perfect for the DOD. Prior to this I've used the Bronze
lensed Gargoyles to good effect, but I just ordered a hi-def pair. I'll
let y'all know how they work out. My opinion just based on the
Serengetis are that they are by far by fave type of sunglasses for all
around use, replacing my Bauch&Lomb Ray-Bans. This is mostly due to the
hi-def lense (the lenses on the Serengetis are also photochromatic and
gradiant; not so on the hi-def Gargoyles).

--
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NCAR/SCD                   I feel much better."      Fax +1 303 497 1137
Boulder CO 80307-3000 USA                           jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Hurray!
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 20:24:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1993Jan4.182335.15385@noao.edu> morin@noao.edu (Meg Morin) writes:
>Just wanted to proclaim my membership to the DoD! Yeah!
>
>My number: 0788
>
>Thanks, Ed!

>Meg

Right, who has to kill her? It ain't my turn, I did the dishes
last week.

DoD0.001
RZ350
Won't start, -35c.
Kicked till I puked, then kicked some more.
Charles
-- 
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separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
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gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:08:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1993Jan9.170839.2866
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

In article <1inbtr$lfd@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
> In article <1993Jan9.131137.20938@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
>>I don't mind the bloated look, but that stooopud NINJA decal! How can anybody 
>>over 25 years of age feel like an adult riding a bike called NINJA?  (Oh I 
>>forgot, the target market isn't adults.....)
> 
> Funny, I was in the grocery store just last night and noticed a review of
> the new ZX11-D.  I swear the first thought through my mind was, "nice looking
> bike...I wonder how hard it is to get that juvenile Ninja decal off."
> 
> From an engineering, ergonomics standpoint, you would think the ZX11 is 
> supposed to fit in the "sport-touring" niche.  Is it really the case that
> they are consciously marketing the ZX11 as some sort of adolescent
> penis-extender?  Or are they really that clueless about the tastes of the
> "not ready for Goldwings" crowd?

	I kind of doubt that everybody feels this way about the "Ninja"
line.  Smells like flamebait to me !

Rob
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                          Systems Engineer
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'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Clutchless shifting [was] Engine theory 101
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:58:19 GMT

In article <espen.21.0@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no> espen@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (Epsonasjen) writes:
>       I have a VOLVO, you can flame me if you like! =:-P
>
>
>???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? =8-0
>
>Espen Olsen				*       The future's so bright
>Norwegian Inst. of Technology		*       I gotta wear shades

Nah, it's okay if you live in Scandinavia.

Now, if you were driving an Audi 5000 over there....



-- 
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jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
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From: doucette@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Too Much Riding??
Reply-To: doucette@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:17:38 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.012019.14578@trl.oz.au>, phil@trl.oz.au (Phillip Bouchier)
writes:
|> Too Much Riding??
|> 
|>  [ stuff about pain and suffering ]
|> 

For the past four years, I have had trouble with my neck, shoulders and wrist
from hunching over desktop monitors and positioning keyboards in non-ergonomic
positions.  I found that when I learned to ride a bike that I would get similar
symptoms during long rides (stiff neck, sore shoulder and wrist, etc.).  My
posture was worse on the bike than any chair in front of a monitor.

It may be worthwhile for a physical therapist to check out your normal riding
posture to see how things can be improved.  IMHO:  Any bike that forces you
to learn forward and lift your head up (i.e., Crotch rockets) should be avoided
if you have problems with stiff neck or shoulders.

When I moved further from my work, I found that the added distance started
to physically wear me out before I even got to work. :-(  I had a choice of
either getting a bike with better ergonomics, or stop riding.  I ended up
buying a Goldwing...

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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Senseless, Childish Brazier Auction
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:34:31 GMT

In article <5357@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>In article <carlp.725752744@frigg>, carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>> The proceeds are being donated by Jody to Ride for Sight (or something 

>> I will match Jonathan Quist's offer to match every dollar of
>> the final price over $50, up to $20 total match, as an additional
>> contribution not part of any bid.  I urge other DoD members to match
>> this and make it a real charity auction, and thank Jonathan for the idea.

Ditto.

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|                                                                          |
|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |
|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |
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|                     -- Glen "CRASH" Stone                                |
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From: bobm@boo.uucp (Bob Marrow)
Subject: Re: Bra auction: going, going....
Summary: Almost gone...
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:31:13 GMT
Organization: Who?  Me?

In article <1993Jan7.214829.19356@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>$65.

$66.

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From: jimi@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Jim Mack)
Subject: Re: Hi-Def shields
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:38:35 GMT

space@bcarh2b1 (Scott Pace) writes:

>Can anyone offer opinions on High-definition face shields, for day and
>night riding?

>Do they remove the need for sunglasses during the day?

>--
>Scott Pace, space@bnr.ca - the final frontier

I've had a high definition shield for about a year now and I wouldn't trade
it for the world.  Living in Alabama produces a lot of sunshine (most of the
time) and I found that the amber tint to the H/D shield sufficed about 95% of
the time.  There would be mornings where direct sunlight would cause a little
glare, so I would break out the old shades.  But this was a rare occasion.

Night time is very enjoyable when using a H/D shield, I find that road glare
and the ever-popular head-light glare are significantly reduced.  The shield
almost illuminates the road (or at least provides that illusion) making it
very easy to distinguish things....because things appear sharper.

Finally, there's the fact that these things don't fog....EVER!  The shield
is actually two lenses of plastic put together.  These shields are also
quite scratch resistant, although a direct drop or bang will leave damage.
I found that because of the thickness of these shields, getting a real good
seal in the helmet sometimes requires putting a little more pressure on while
closing the shield.  Also, if your helmet has that little lever that will push
up the visor just a little (like the Shoei RF200) then more that likely you'll
have to give the shield a little help.....like I said they form a tight seal.
The cost isn't bad....about $20 from mail order (I got mine from D.M.S)

Hope this helps
Jim Mack
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From: jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I'm gonna git me that bra!
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:12:53 GMT
	<1993Jan4.200707.26418@colorado.edu>
	<1993Jan5.165118.24408@rd.hydro.on.ca>
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca's message of 5 Jan 93 16:51:18 GMT


In article <1993Jan5.165118.24408@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

   The highest bid I've seen is from Laz at $61. I'll continue watching.

   Jody Levine


	Hey, Laz, you wern't thinking of some new knee pads, that were tax 
	deductable?

			Jerry Wills 
I'll have enough POWER when I can spin the tires at the end of the straight!
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