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From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:44:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr7.184449.18259
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr7.070924.22185@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:

>I guess my major complaint with this idea is that it shows a great deal
>of intolerance.  "I don't like this publisher, so I want a group without
>them in it."  Yes, I know people who want to read all the posts can read
>all the groups.  That's not the point.  The point is that I find it sad
>that some want to divide one of the best "on-line conventions" in the
>world for the sake of convenience.

But even a good convention has seperate rooms for some discussions.
We've already split off the "dealer's room" (.marketplace).  Any
split proposal is going to continue to have a group for general
mixing (whether simply rec.arts.comics or rec.arts.comics.misc); the
point is to give those with narrower interests the choice to not
have to add to their kill files every day-- and note that for some
busy people the choice may not be between reading the group as it
is and reading a narrower subset, but between reading that narrower
subset and unsubscribing because it's too much of a time burden.

Whether I vote yes or no on a split proposal will depend on what
it consists of, but there seems to be enough interest in the idea
to issue a formal Request for Discussion and announce a vote.  Then,
if the pro-split group doesn't outnumber the anti-split group by
at least a hundred, we'll be treated to blissful silence on the
subject for six full months.  And if there _are_ a hundred more
people who want a split than don't, then the group should be split.

Mike
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From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: Stan Sakai in Groo
Organization: Aardvark Comment Sucks Club
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.002350.10584@wam.umd.edu>, noaccess@wam.umd.edu (K.Y.L.e) writes:

         [stuff about Stan Sakai lettering early issues of Groo deleted]

         But wait! There's more. Stan Sakai is *still* the letterer for
    Groo. I don't know which came first, though.

         By the way, I think the PEOPLE: header is most appropriate.
-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
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From: crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com (Steve Crooks)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: How I'd Reform It
Reply-To: crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:34:37 GMT

lintz@fred.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:

>In article <visser.702972878@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>>	Yes, but Shooter is largely responsible for the original "death" of
>>Jean Gray.  The character should never have been killed in the first place.

>What?!! _The Dark Phoenix Saga_ was one of the best stories I ever
>read precisely BECAUSE of the ending. Jean Grey, hanging on to a
>shred of humanity, realizes that she cannot control the Phoenix
>force without being corrupted into Dark Phoenix and kills herself.
>What ruined this story was bringing her back.
>All IMO, of course.

In the original story she did not die, but her powers were greatly
diminished.  Shooter was the one who ordered her killed.  This is
detailed in _Phoenix:_The_Untold_Story_ oneshot, among other places.
Shooter decided that since she had wasted a planet she must be
punished.

I was very sorry that they killed her, but I don't think they should
have ever brought her back.  Typical Marvel.


--
--Steve Crooks                                      crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com
      "Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich."  -- Daffy Duck
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Annotated X-men Vol #2 (130-139)
Date: 8 Apr 1992 18:39:57 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <ctqjtqj@lynx.unm.edu> vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus) writes:
>     I think you have the wrong title.  These are not annotations, but
> summaries.  Annotations have notes that explain certain things
> in the issues.

	I suppose you're right.  The future editions will be called 
'The X-Men Files' or something like that.
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From: elder@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Elder Dan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Thoughts on the third aardvark
Summary: not really anything earth-shattering, you know
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:35:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32415
Organization: Cirin's Home for Naughty Girls -- Head of Discipline


In article <1992Apr06.233405.27595@sco.COM> jasona@sco.COM ( Staring at Pleiades with my left eye ) writes:
>
>pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) writes:
>>So who could the third aardvark be?  Before Weisshaupt died, he inferred
>>that the other two aardvarks were powerful enough to stop Cerebus, who

Actually, he *implied* it. The listener infers, you see, and...  :)

>>at that time was running amuck as Most Holy.  This implies that the
>>other aardvarks are important, powerful figures in Estarcion, and indeed
>>in the case of Cirin that is correct.
>
>Hmm, could of course be Cerebus himself. He always becomes completely different
>when drugged (falling in love with Jaka, falling into the 7th/8th planes while
>who knows what his body is doing, etc...) He's ruined quite a few of his plans
>by mearly getting drunk, let alone drugged. It's a thought; maybe there's a
>whole different side (another aardvark) inside Cerebus that's not marching to
>the same drum.
>
>jasona

Well, I'd be surprised if the three aardvarks are Cerebus, Cirin, and an
alternate Cerebus. However, the twin theme that has begun in the last couple
of issues suggests that *some* kind of rampant doppelgangerism is on the
rise. :) If the third aardvark is someone we've heard of but not seen, the
obvious choice is Suenteus Po. So, of course, I've been poring over the
phone books for any *other* alternative but I can't find one-- not yet.
If the third aardvark is someone we *haven't* encountered yet, in any form,
then it's pointless to debate it 'cause it'll be just somebody we don't
recognize. The third possibility is that Weisshaupt was lying-- always a
highly likely event, and my personal favorite.

However, I suspect it's most likely Suenteus Po = Aardvark Curtain #3,
because he's the only key player we haven't ever crossed paths with in
a very material sense, and (if you'll recall) there's the added tidbit
from Weisshaupt's death-- the bug was told not to stare at Weisshaupt's
uncle, who is Po. Why would the bug stare at Po? Well, if Po were a squat
furry, gray aardvark, it would explain why Weisshaupt wouldn't want
people staring at him.

Just my .02 crowns

	--The Elder Dan
	"Ignore alien orders."
From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: INDY: Has the ElfQuest animated adaption been made? (Was Re: Small
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:57:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.185748.21635
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, rlawson@ac.dal.ca () says:

>In article <1992Apr2.190530.26010@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho) writes:
>> 
>> EQ was being planned as an animated film,
>> with Ralph Bakshi's people in Toronto. Did
>> that plan ever pan out?
>
>	In ElfQuest: King's of the Broken Wheel #1
>(or #2) there was a glossy ad depicting a set of
>VCR/VTR (take your pick)  tapes of a (apparently)
>full-colour ElfQuest,  since I was (and still am)
>not exactly overflowing with funds I decided to
>forgo ordering them.

Not that itwould have made a differnece if you had.  The
deal is a bust.  There are no EQ movies, and from the looks
of things, there won't be anytime in the near future.




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From: smothrl@wkuvx1.bitnet (Ray Smo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: JM DeMatteis
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:37:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: wkuvx1.1992Apr7.163751.1246
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

J.M. DeMatteis is currently working on Spectacular Spider-Man, and doing a
mighty fine job, might I add.  He recently did a follow-up to his "Fearful
Symmetry" storyline (now in TPB).  Following this, he lightened up with the
return of the Fabulous Frog-Man and one of my favorite villianesses, White
Rabbit.  And the final chapter of "Funeral Arrangements" came out recently
in which Vulture, who is dying of cancer, wants to repay his debts, gain
forgiveness from Aunt May for the death of her fiancee, and kill Spider-Man
(natch).  He's on a roll, and if you don't normally get SSM, you should.
Right now, it's the best of all four Spider titles. 

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Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 09:53:22 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: The End of Mojo (was Re: Long Awaited X-Men Cards

In article <1992Apr8.034947.27654@wpi.WPI.EDU>, blackout@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason
Robert Perry) says:
>
>        I've put together the whole set and the only "new" character
>appears to be Mojo II.  You see his form in shadow only in the Uncanny
>annual this year.

We will see Mojo for the last time as he is killed in the June issue of X-Men
(number 11, I think), which will be Jim Lee's final issue.   Longshot finally
defeats him, only to have Mojo II succeed him.  Another of the Fallen Messiah's
inevitable failures?

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From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:15:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.172927.9104@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans) writes:
>
>Okay, I appreciate the point of view that characters can be portrayed as
>'shades of grey' rather than black or white, and that Gambit doesn't
>*have* to be all good or all bad - in fact the Comedian is the first
>person I thought of when I thought this too (great minds think alike, eh?).
>BUT this needs to be done with subtlety and intelligence in the writing,
>and I just don't see this being done in the X-Men. The X-Men are protrayed
>simplistically as a 'cool' team, the comic caters primarily to teenage
>male power-fantasists and a few nostalgic hangers-on who can't quit bad
>habits (like me),

I'm not too sure of this.  I know more adult women who read this book
than guys.     


 and Gambit specifically is being portrayed as a
>particularly cool character. There seems to be no hint of ambiguity in the
>writing, no sense that we are being presented with a moral dilemma; in
>fact, as one poster has said, it is possible that Marvel haven't even
>considered the implications of what's happening. It's not, IMHO, a valid
>or worthwile treatment of the subject of either harassment *or* of the
>'flawed hero' concept. It's being portrayed as teenage
>fantasy-role-model-fodder.

I have another male friend who really likes Gambit, and is not only
very intelligent and perceptive, (and a liberal ;-)), but quite
a feminitist (well, as feminist as guys can be...)

I really don't see what all the whopla is about.  This is not the
secretary in the office being propositioned by her boss, and
powerless to act!  Gambit spends a lot of energy propositioning
Rogue, and has even gotten a little touchy feelie, but Rogue
doesn't really seem to mind.  She seems to be flirting right back.
If she were pissed at him, she wouldn't have stood up for him
as she has on occasion.

If Rogue would have told him "Go Fuck yourself", then there would
be a serious problem, and Gambit would have no choice but to 
back off or have the entire X-Men on his ass!

I do not proscribe to Gambits personal brand of flirting myself,
and he apparently has paid the price on more than one occasion
for his actions.  He's an asshole, but a likable asshole. ;-)

Of course, now that the wife has shown up, I think there may
be some serious changes in the way he treats Rogue!


						John F Sasso



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From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: DC and Tops???
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:11:03 GMT

ad6861@sarah.albany.edu (Alex Diamantis) writes:

>	Has anyone heard anything about DC and Tops getting together to
>produce comic books?  Is this just a rumor, or did I miss out on 
>something?

Well, I don't know how DC got into the question, but Topps is starting a comic
line (supposedly sometime later this year).  Jim Salicrup (used to edit Spider-
man) is the editor.  No books or creative people have been announced yet.

Roland
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From: jcowling@butterfly.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Series III cards, WHEN
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:03:10 GMT
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

In article <1992Apr6.155719.2887@vax.muskingum.edu> ed_medeiros@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>Does anybody know when the Marvel Series III cards are coming out?  The
>advertisement in the comics with Silver Surfer looks better than the previous
>two series.

Sometime in late May, assuming that they're on time (which is rare with Impel).

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 matter of fact."
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Project: Pegasus
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:11:35 EDT

Just for kicks, I picked up issue #8 of Dazzler, and found her kidnapped by
an energy research project called Pegasus.  Has this group been portrayed
elsewhere, and have any other Marvel characters been involved with them?
 
Also, Dazzler seemed to be falling for the project's security chief, Quasar.
Has this plotline ever been explored?
 
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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SILLY: Casting Coup (blatant political bias enclosed)
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:34:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr8.171245.2588@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>In <56475@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>So what do you think--Paul Tsongas as Bruce Banner in a Hulk movie?
>If it'd get him any closer to the presidential office anytime soon, I'm for
>it.  But knowing the effect of gamma rays, he's supposed to turn into
>something completely different (no, not John Cleese); so he'd probably
>become... 
>Orrin Hatch.  (But dumber.  If that's possible.)

	Nah. Jesse Helms.


-- 
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Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:04:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cnsvax.1992Apr6.220407.254
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <ycpj9nj.dani@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades):
>>>Will someone who is going to be in the same city for two months please 
>>>offer to be the poller for the rac.DC/rac.INDY/rac.MARVEL split.
> 
>>    I personally have no problem with running the RFD and CFV for a
>>rec.arts.comics split proposal. What we nedd to decide is this the way
>>we want to split the group? Do people want a DC, Marvel, Independant
>>split? I'm not so sure that this is the best of all possible splits.
> 
> Thank you for pointing out what the former poster missed, which is that
> there's a lot more to splitting a group than calling a vote.
> 
> In particular, there's first the informal discussion, then (RFD) the 
> formal discussion, and finally -- preferably once a consensus has been
> reached as to the nature of the proposed split -- the vote (CFV).  The
> reason this proposal has never reached the RFD stage, despite the fact
> that it has been proposed intermittently for years, is that informal
> discussions on r.a.c. consistently show consensus to be unlikely:  There
> seem to be too few readers for whom a split by publisher would be helpful.
> 
> Yes, we do have an "I only read indies" contingent, and an even larger
> "I never read Marvel" contingent, but they both seem relatively small.
> Besides, [IMO] too much of the most interesting or useful traffic on this
> group fails to fall into neat publisher categories.
> 
> The kind of reorganization that *has* been able to garner general support
> is the more modest splintering off of specialized topics, such as in the
> recently created r.a.c.marketplace, and in the work-in-progress r.a.c.strips.
> 
> -----
> Dani Zweig
> dani@netcom.com
> 
>   The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
>   much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
>   right to buy it.--Scott Jones
> 
> 
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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 15:13:43 -0400 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DC: TT: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
	<9353@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 9-Apr-92 Re: DC: TT: Nightwing
and S.. Iain McCord@cs.strath.ac (725)

>   Can anyone remember the Captain Britain strip where it was shown how easy
> it was for a competent police-man to find out an identity from the jaw, and
> other factors.


Or in !mpact's Comet, where a government agent figured out who the Comet
was by noticing that he had regular flight patterns, and that he almost
always ended up at the same house...

-jim
From: v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVELEONE COMICS
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <4dsdFO600awV4dCn9C@andrew.cmu.edu>, cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes...

>13. KIDDIE BOOKS
>	All Punisher books, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Darkhawk, Sleepwalker,
>Daredevil, Cage, Barbie, etc. are canceled without warning. This way the
 ^^^^^^^^^

You rank Daredevil in the same league as Punisher?  Barbie and Punisher I can
understand, but Daredevil!?!?



                                                        --Ben
From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Liefeild
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:26:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr6.232626.21629
Organization: Amherst College

lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler) writes:
: A few months ago i was under the impression the X-Force was a 1/4deicent
: commic....but after ish. #9 i have dicided the time has come to drop the rag..
: also The Silver Surfer witch i have been collecting from the begining must
: go also. Today i was thinking why i like DD stories about DD doing just
: plain 'good' stuff (like 304) but i lothe SS stories about SS fighting
: the guilt in his heart...not a ? to loose sleep over...

I would like to second that thought! DD is one of my favorite books of
the spandex crowd! He's a down to earth kind of hero. Not too much
universe saving, and not too much angst. I like it, especially now that
Ann Nocenti (sp?) is gone, she was getting a little silly there with
Blackheart and Mephisto...

later days!
--dt

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From: tbroudy@lust.reed.edu (Timothy Malcolm Broudy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-MORDRED(was Re: A new tack on the (Re: X-Men Traitor))
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:52:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.055245.11005
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr8.202201.11501@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
> 
> BTW: why would Emma Frost want to kill the X-Men?  The X-Men and  
Hellfire club
> were ,if not friends, allies.  Remember that Storm and the  
non-pod-person
> Magneto joined the H.C. as the joint White King.
Check your history. The X-men and the Hellfire Club worked together,  
occasionally... when necessary. They all go a long way back... They've  
fought each other for far longer.
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