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From: etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: Tatiana Gutsu to compete in the all-arounds
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:13:08 GMT

rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
:If it was Boguinkskaya that was injured, NBC would have said so.  So
:it must be either Galieva or Lysenko.  Lysenko is generally regarded
:as the stronger gymnast.  So if Lysenko is "injured", I will maybe
:believe that she really is injured.  If Galieva is "injured", while I
:wouldn't be able to prove it in any way, I must admit I will be of the
:opinion that the EUN is resorting to it's old ways...

Next time, I hope that in the rules for "injury" for gymnastics will include
verification of the injury by independent physicians, not just a note from
the team doctor. Of course, if this is so, I suspect Galieva has somehow
convieniently gotten herself a broken leg or something. (Lysenko being
eligible for two event finals shows that if she were injured, she would
forfeit her chances whereas Galieva isn't in any event finals.)

The Soviet specter will not fade easily in this Olympics.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 13:47:06 CDT
From: <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Female Olympians

My top picks, in no particular order:

Summer Sanders, swimming, USA
Mary Ellen Clark, diving, USA
Silken Laumann, rowing, CAN
Svetlana Boginskaya, gymnastics, EUN*
Inga Thompson, cycling, USA
Jenny Thompson, swimming, USA
Francie Larrieu Smith, marathon, USA
Anita Nall, swimming, USA

*(not sure if I've got the name correct; she's the one from Belarus, whose
then-coach committed suicide in '88)

I can also easily endorse many of the original poster's choices.

I might have been able to name more, were it not for the network's bad habit
of giving short shrift on camera time to non-US women in most sports except
gymnastics; the odd hours that women's rowing, basketball and volleyball are
on TV; and the fact that many of these women, when on camera, are usually
encased in swim caps, bicycle helmets, etc.

                                            Mitch Pravatiner
                                            U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Problems with result postings...
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:31:14 GMT

My news feed access has been playing up all day.  Hopefully it will be fixed
soon.

This explains the part-postings of heat results in some events in today's
swimming and no results from the diving.

Hopefully will be getting some diving results after the second round
of preliminary dives scheduled for 3:00pm in Barcelona.

So expect some results at about 14:00 GMT for diving finalists for Monday's
Women's Platform Final.

For the moment, I will continue to post these somewhat incomplete heat results
as is, and then update them using the repost function when I have the complete
results.

SWIMMING FINALS WILL BE FULLY COVERED STARTING 6:00PM BARCELONA TIME TONIGHT
(16:00 GMT).

Rod Swift
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From: ncoppis@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: RE: NBC DIVING COMMENTARY:ABSURD
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:14:14 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I completeley agree that the woman commentrator for diving was
such an incompetent .......... that it was disgusting to watch as 
she passed derogatory comments on the Chinese divers. I also
recall that she once commented about the women divers too saying
that she once saw them "giggling" or something; and otherwise they
were "mechanical", with respect to their expressions.

nc. 
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From: zaichunl@cs.tamu.edu (Zaichun Li)
Subject: Re: NBC's background stories(was NBC's family stories)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:29:29 GMT

In article <92210.174201IO92308@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO92308@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (W. Roland Gehrels) writes:
>... I never feel that I am watching a sports event, but merely
>a documentary. 

Me tooooooooooo...

>Take the women's bicycling road race. Every excitement
>was taken away by background stories (I don't even talk about the

I still can't understand why they are doing this over and over again. 
I am really tired of this. You have to wait half an hour for only one 
of swimming finals (to make you have the *live* feeling?!).

>commercials). I wish they would show a complete race. You can perhaps
>cut up diving by showing a few dives at the time, but not a bike race.
>Only coverage of sports that are popular in the States like basketball
>are good to watch because of continuity. There is no difference with

I am a NBA fan. However, I don't think there are many people out
there want to watch the (basketball) game from a-z, since there is actually 
no competition what's so ever. I'd rather watch the NBA finals.
 
>watching a race from the Olympics 20 or 40 years ago. I never get the
>feeling that what I am watching happened today. Tape delay does not
>have to be a problem to get the "live" feeling (basketball and
>swimming are good examples) Although the victory of Morales was clearly
>overdramatized. It is embarrasing to watch Bob Costas (was it him)
>druel when he askes Pablo what was said between him and his father
>during their hug. NBC tries everything to show the human face of the
>athlete. They clearly overdo it. Give me a bucket.
>
>Roland Gehrels


zack


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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Strange Olympic Trivia ***ANSWERS***
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:06:15 GMT

In <Bs9DLH.GG8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rolf@geoserv (Rolf Wilson) writes:
>What country banned boxing from their games?

Sweden.

>In what Olympics were some events held thousands of miles away from
>the rest, and why?

Melbourne.  Equestrian events, because they couldn't transport the
horses down there under.

>In what track and field event was the gold medal winner's result
>bettered by a competitor in one of the multi-event competitions
>(decathlon, etc.)

Men's long jump, if I remember correctly.
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From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: copyrighting (was Re: updated event times?)
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:59:14 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University


>I realize I am getting off track with the purpose of r.s.o,
>but it would help if I could hear a final decision on whether or not
>it is ok for me to post stuff from Clari.sports.olympics, such as the
>event times.

MY impression is that event times, medalists, scores, records set, etc.
are FACTS and therefore in the public domain.  You can't copyright
"George Bush was President of the United States of America on
July 24, 1992".  You MIGHT be able to argue that Clari.sports.olympics
could copyright the FORMAT they present the information in, but
the information itself can NOT be copyrighted.
Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1922 soc.singles:21458
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.singles
Subject: Female Olympians
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:57:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.singles

Okay, I think I've watch enough Olympics, and here are
my picks for the best looking female olympians, for now.  :-)

       1.  Laurie Endicott        -  Volleyball, USA
       2.  Hendrietta Onodi       -  Gymnastics, Hungary
       3.  Kerri Strug            -  Gymnastics, USA
       4.  Kristina Egerzagi      -  Swimming,   Hungary
       5.  Janet Evens            -  Swimming,   USA
       6.  Cristina Bontas        -  Gymnastics, Romania

                 Who are YOUR PICKS?  :-)
      
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: GYMNASTICS: results
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:28:09 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

Just heard from my friend Judy on the west coast (Thanks Judy!) that
the women's competition is:
1. Unified Team
2. Romania
3. USA

I think Shannon Miller was the overall leader.

SORRY but I dont know yet about Kim Zmeskal... (ie if she made it to
all-around)

Rachele
From: ph2p@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Peter F. Hayward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Short-Wave Olympic Coverage?
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:09:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Jul26.150925.25548
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

Does the BBC cover the Olympics on radio?  Is there any way
to get this broadcast in the US?  Basically, what I want to know
is is there any way at all to get live Olympic coverage without
the triplecast.

Thanks,
Pete Hayward
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Olys are not for nice people only
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:32:51 GMT

I've been reading comments on Barkley, and the US vballers, some
stuff about a whining swimmer who was mad about finishing second.
I'm not sure how to comment without defending their behavior.

I haven't seen comments about US swimmers who, when interviewed
after getting beat, offered no excuses, classy response to leading
stupid NBC questions, and professed great joy at just being a part
of it. This net is as unbalanced as NBC.  Let's focus on the
SHITHEADS!

I coached rowing for a number of years.  I've worked with a great
number of talented people.  Two medalists from '84 had help from me
along the way.  These two were the biggest ***holes I have ever met.
They made my coaching life uncomfortable at best, took some of the
fun out of it for me.

But they are Olympic champions too.  They worked hard, raced hard,
and earned it. One wrote a book, when I heard about it, BEGGED him
not to mention my name.  thankfully he didn't.

It's funny how the rules for sports are written.  Why is it that a
flagrant foul like Sir Charles' (where he drew a 2 shot technical)
isn't punished with banishment from the game/tourney/sport?

Why is it ok to draw one yellow card in Vball but not two.

I personally would rather play basketball with gentlemen, folks who
don't argue calls, who don't intimidate physically or abuse other
players verbally.  I rail about this constantly, yet what happens
last week in a pickup game?  A lesser player who was guarding me
was looping his arms all the way around me (the old corral defense)
and drooping over me every time I posted him up.  What do I do?
'Excuse me, but don't do that anymore.'  No.  I pulled the double
fake, fake right, go up to the right to catch his chin on my left
shoulder on a hook shot.  Truly unsportsmanlike, suppose I, but I
learned it from someone who did it to me.  Now he knows.

I hate it, I love it, it's part of the game.  The game allows for
a certain amount of unsportsmanlike conduct.  If it exists in the
pickup game that means nothing, why should it not exist in the OLYs?

Being a champion has no effect on personality, good or bad, believe
me.  You are either a good person who is a champ, or a bad person
who is a champ.

BTW in my int'l experience, unsportsmanlike conduct is not limited
to the USA.

Mike
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From: jayers@hamline.edu (Judi Ayers)
Subject: Re: fairness
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:26:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.214223.11275@m.cs.uiuc.edu> caplan@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Joshua Caplan) writes:
>Look I'm American.  I want Americans to win as many golds as they give out at
>these olympics.  I love the dream team.  I like watching swimming and
>diving.  But I can't believe how partisan NBC is being, almost to the
>point of manipulation.  When I used to watch the olympics the
>awards presentation consisted of THREE people and THREE flags.  On NBC
>(prime-time, I didn't spring for the other stupidity) if an American
>wins the gold we get his/her face COMPLETELY FILLING THE SCREEN for the
>entire anthem.  If an American doesn't win, forget the awards presentation.
>If you don't have quick eyes you won't catch the mention of other country's
>participants, medal-winners or otherwise, in the form of a wash of
>illegibly small graphics.  And the commentary (especially diving) is making
>me embarassed.  Non-Americans are belittled, Americans are aggrandized, with
>no regard to their performance in their respective sport.  Finally, wouldn't
>we rather see some games than MUSIC VIDEOS about Pablo Morales?  How about a
>glimpse of soccer?  Hey, the US beat Kuwait, why not a little of that?  How
>about field hockey, or a demonstration sport other than gymnastics?  Just
>for a few minutes.  I keep reading that the coverage is better now than in
>Seoul.  Gosh, I'm glad I didn't watch any of that.
>
>caplan@cs.uiuc.edu	|	Joshua Caplan

I couldn't agree with you more, Joshua.  I tuned in last night and saw 
the *music video*.  Totally disgusting and I assume there will be a new
one each night.  This is terrible.  I also noticed how the focused in 
on the Gold Medal winner, too, or the flag (in this case it was the swimmer
that has dual citizenship between the US and Spain), so it was okay he
was representing another country, but they didn't show the bronze or
silver medalists.   Arghhhh.  It doesn't seem that tough to show a little
bit of everything.  GET A CLUE NBC.  You guys stink!!


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From: astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
Subject: Skopjans in the Olympics (once again....)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:12:50 GMT



Mr. Turner, an avid expert in political balances and eminent historian
of the Balkan region, decided that the Skopje State has every right to use the
name of the greek province Macedonia and so the rest of the world should shut
up and adopt his views. Of course, he failed to explain how  a region has a
right to use the name of its neighboring province, which it stole in 1945,
when it was never called by that name ever in history.
I do not have the time nor the patience to answer to everybody who thinks that
reading a newspaper can make him an expert in every political situation all
over the world. There are things Mr. Turner that you are unaware of, you don't
know the history of the area, you don't know the population composition, you
don't even have a clue that at least half of the Skopje population are
Albanians who try desperately to keep their national identity and make their
voice heard over the Slavic part of the population that is oppressing them.
When you do not know these things you should be a sport and keep a distance.
Also, you should not distort the truth: EEC unanimously adopted the greek
stance and dismissed the Skopjan claims to the name Macedonia. No 11-1 votes,
no governments falling over it, no US ministers afraid of the "powerful"
Greeks. In addition, NOBODY except maybe 3-4 countries has recognized Skopje!
How would you feel if we started a conversation about your country's war over
the Falkland islands, Northern Ireland, etc. How can I know everything that you
and every British subject knows about these issues? Similarly, how can you know
everything that I and every Greek subject knows about the situation in Skopje?
I think that by keeping a careful position in matters that you are not familiar
with, will help you avoid making a fool of your self, old chap! I would also
advise you to avoid insulting democratically elected governments of other
countries over issues that have nothing to do with you or your own country.
I guess it's one of those "empire" things that some of you British cannot
overcome yet.


Anthony Stefanidis
Ohio State
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Pipen and Jordan
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:02:32 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

mamohamm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (SKEPTICAL) writes:
: You Guys should read the column by Mitch Albom (the 3 year US award 
: winning columnist) from July 28, 1992  Detroit Free Press. The guy 
: above mentioned was drafted by the Bulls and was offered more money 
: then Pipen to come and play in Chicago. Now that did not suit Pipen 
: one bit. So he and Jordan were just settling a personal gurdge.
: 
: regards

Seemingly Pipen's contract with Bulls was at stake at that time.
Though he got his contract extended eventually(with good money),
he very badly wanted to send a message to Bull's president.
Jordan was reportedly commented that the Bulls management might
have got the message that Pipen wanted to convey.

---Sreehari.
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From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:33:29 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Jul29.011926.14387@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis) writes:
>Finally, as somebody mentioned, it is quite disappointing to see NBC showing
>only the face of the US gold medalist, and totally skipping a ceremony when a
>US athlete did not get the gold! Very bad and unsportsmanlike behavior in
>the biggest athletic event. Very low!

Not just low, its the pits which these commentators and NBC have hit.
True, Americans winning must make Americans proud, but belittling other
nations and showing such self-centered ness doesn't sound good for       
U.S. NBC is a top broadcasting agency and carrys weight with it.

>
>Anthony Stefanidis
>Ohio St8

Ramakrishna
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: GYMNASTICS: results (top three of women's all-around)
Summary: Gutsu wins
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:56:44 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT


I have just heard from my friend Judy on the west coast (thanks again
Judy!) that the top three finishers were:

1. Tatiana Gutsu, EUN
2. Shannon Miller, USA
3. Lavinia Milosevici, ROM

I do not yet know any other results.

Rachele



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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: CLASSIC COMMENTARY: Send them in!!!
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:13:07 GMT

Classic Commentary Lines
========================

	A new list to be created by myself...
	Send additions by EMAIL to RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au

Many people have been complaining about the atrocious commentary and talking
heads on the Idiot Box(tm) coverage of the Olympics.

Such examples, as seen on Seven Sport in Australia have been...

	"Barcelona is a dense city"
		-- Broadcast Center talking head (name eludes me
			for the moment), Seven Sport, AUS.

or	"It's going to be over 3:12.000!  It's better than 3:12.000!
	 It's 3:11.997"
		-- Phil Ligott, famous cycling commentator on the
			Italian cycling team, Seven Sport, AUS.

Please send your classic pieces of commentary and Olympic talking head
mistakes to RSWIFTRW@cc.curtin.edu.au including the quote, name of the
commentator/talking head, the event/sport/person they were commentating
on, their organisation, and the organisation's nation.  (See above)

I will post them all at the end of the olympics, after the closing ceremony,
which in itself will provide classic lines and faux pas.

And remember, cross-post this message wherever you like!

The SILTS (Sport's I'd Like To See) list is coming along nicely now, and I
will post that soon.  You can send contributions to that at the same e-mail
address

Rod
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: SHOOTING: Results 7/26
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:44:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.175544.4210@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
|> Eric West writes:
|> >SUNDAY'S RESULTS
|> >
|> >Women's Air Rifle Final
|> >
|> >GOLD	Yeo Kab-Soon		KOR	498.2
|> >SILVER	Vessela Letcheva	BUL	495.3
|> >BRONZE	Aranka Binder (Independent)	495.1
|>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >Aranka Binder
|> >is the first "Individual Olympic Athlete" ever to win a medal.
|> 
|> Wow!  I didn't know this was possible/allowed.  I thought the Olympics
|> were about nationals vs. nationals.  Where is she FROM anyway?

I would guess either Bosnia, Croatia or Slovenia.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: SWIMQUALIFIED: M's 400m Freestyle Final
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:21:44 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article nts14ds@fido.asd.sgi.com, shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.222305.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>
>>   Men's 400 metres freestyle final qualifiers:
>> 1.  Kieren Perkins (Australia)          3 minutes 49.24 seconds
>> 2.  Evgeny Sadovyi (CIS)                           3:49.37
>> 3.  Anders Holmertz (Sweden)                       3:49.95
>> 4.  Stefan Pfeiffer (Germany)                      3:49.99
>> 5.  Danyon Loader (New Zealand)                    3:50.05
>> 6.  Ian Brown (Australia)                          3:50.12
>> 7.  Sebastian Wiese (Germany)                      3:50.73
>> 8.  Artur Wojdat (Poland)                          3:51.66
>
>Gee, anyone care to bet that this event will be shown in the NBC
>coverage? I think not...
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No.  We got another one of those stupid 10 minute MTV-type videos of basketball players doing their thing to rap music.  What is this crap?  Do they think there isn't enough happening to feel all the air time with coverage of events?

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