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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:31:04 -0500
From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>
Subject: Re: remedial civics; or,
              moral outrage as the lingua franca of the gop

>the "shining city on a hill", jason, is poughkeepsie.
>
>                               * * * anneliese

Well, we had asked President Reagan not to be specific, but now that
the cat is out of the bag I can confirm that he was referring to
Poughkeepsie.  Bring your Ray-Bans if you visit--the shine starts
a little south of Wappingers Falls.

Notes on the convention:

I thought that Judy Woodruff was going to slug Barbara Bush.  Mrs. Bush
was not exactly following Ms. Woodruff's lead.  To be fair, I thought
that some of Ms. Woodruff's questions were a little off-base to ask
the First Lady (like who in the cabinet would be replaced).

Perhaps this is an Easterner's view of a Texan's speaking style, but
I thought Phil Gramm was talking to us like he thought we had brain
damage.  It wasn't so much the slow pacing, but the over-enunciation
and exaggerated lip movements that made me think this.  Does anyone
know how he was picked to be the keynoter--does the national committee
make that decision?

I thought that Kemp was the only one who scored points last night.  When
the camera showed Marilyn Quayle during the Kemp speech, I thought she
looked a little uncomfortable.  And for good reason--Kemp is a real
threat to her husband's presidential aspirations in 1996.  There have
been stories about the Quayle people trying to keep Kemp down within
the White House.  If Bush wins, I'd look for Kemp to leave the
administration within the first year or two to get some distance
between himself and Quayle.  And in response to an earlier posting, I
can't imagine Clinton, if he wins, making Kemp a member of his
administration.  And even if Clinton wanted that, I don't think Kemp
would do that since that would eliminate his chances of getting
the Republican nomination in 1996 (or at a later date).

...Rick
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From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Holidays
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Going on holiday next week. Sure you won't miss me.

D
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: About Buchanan
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On Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:00:00 EDT more noise please said:

>And you're right - the media oughta get a thesaurus or something.  Either that
>or find a way to differentiate between the truly spectacular 30 point lead
>and the merely amazing 19 point lead.

>Gary W. Olson                 "I heard it on the airwaves...


Obviously they don't watch the sports segment or read the equivalent
in the newspapers.  Chicago *squeaked* by Texas (GO SOX!), Oakland
was hammered tonight (ABO - anybody but oakland), etc. etc.

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:24:15 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Voting

I wonder how many places use paper ballots, how many use voting machines,
and how many use computer punch cards?  Which are faster to tabulate:
the machines or the punch cards?

Evelyn
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:48:35 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Family Values

This Republican fella was being quizzed on TV over
family values.  (I *think* it was former Sec of Education
Bennett.  At any rate, he was a ranking Republican.)

He said -- and I am paraphrasing -- "we prefer two parent
families over 1 parent families.  When pressed (and I think
embarrassed) for clarification, he said the difference is that
a two parent family has two wage earners and ECONOMICALLY that
is better.  I swear I am not making this up.  I don't know why
he thought that a two parent family is necessarily a two wage-
earner family.  After all I thought the "family" value that
Republicans are speaking of mostly consisted of the woman
(not just one parent) staying home and taking care of the
home.

--KAT
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:23:11 -0500
From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      reading lists, politics, and more on spitefulness

well, um....
trying to keep the chatter to a minimum...

reading material:  new york times, washington post, minneapolis star-tribune,
louisville courier-journal.
i work at a radio station and so am hardwired for npr.  also get the
associated press teletype, stuff from reuters, bbc, cbc, blah, blah, blah.

i'm divorced from dave, remember?  we can snipe at each other as much as we
want.

                                * * *anneliese "you think that's spiteful?
                                     you ain't heard nothin' yet, stretch" l.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:16:36 -0500
From:         GAYLA BASSHAM <BASGD@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How come?

>How come, during the Democrat convention, there was a poll taken
>every 30 seconds or so telling how another 5 billion people had
>just jumped into the Clinton camp, and now the pollsters are
>practically silent?

Actually, ABC News and the Washington Post have done a poll over the past
couple of days, and the result is that Clinton has 58% and Bush 33%.

But I agree, I think there were more polls during the Democratic convention.

>And how come during the Democrat convention the media said nice
>things about Clinton and nasty things about Bush, but now that
>the Republicans are burning down the barn in Houston, the media
>is saying.......um, nice things about Clinton and nasty things
>about Bush.

Maybe we've been watching different media.  I thought that the media had
been fairly kind to Bush this week.  They certainly seemed to go crazy over
Reagan's speech Monday night, and with the exception of Judy Woodruff, they
can't say enough good things about Barbara Bush.

>--Missy P 2 B

-----Gayla
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:14:08 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: direct mail from jail

From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>

> And, yes, I guess I do think that, once you are in prison, and your
> needs are being taken care of by the taxpayers, I think you *do*
> more or less forfeit your opportunity for gainful employment.  Somebody
> said that government workers aren't allowed to work more than 40 hours
> a week.  .............................................................

That "somebody" was me.  And the correct statement was that no one
is allowed to charge more than 40/week to government funds (Peter?)
-- approved overtime (if such thing exists) excluded.  And the
reason for that is very simple and legal: first, it is the law, and
second, when you accept a government job you agree to that.

However, regarding employment, you seem keep missing my point.
Maybe it is my fault in not articulating well.  Are you saying
that this is the way you wish/want the system be or are you
saying that as the law are written law now, that prisoners
can/should be barred from gaining employment?  And please don't confuse
employment with having access to certain facilities including
computer, telephones, office space, etc.  I have no problem with
reasonably denying access to facilities if that is what the operation
of a prison demands.  However, employment is nothing other than
entering a contract.  Would you advocate barring prisoners from
entering into contractual agreements?  And if yes, are you saying that
that is your wish or are you saying that under the present laws
such a thing is allowable?

> --Missy P 2 B

--KAT
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Subject: Re: More on rights
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:51:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <POLITICS%92081302103862@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU> Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:
>KAT:
>
>So, you're saying that you consider hugging to be "sexual" behavior?

Hugging, in and of itself, may not be "sexual" behavior. But studies *have*
shown that hugging is a component of almost all sexual behavior.
And this diseased practice is as old as history itself. Witness this 
translation from the hell-bent, swinging Roman poet Virgil:

"I sing of *arms and a man*." (emphasis mine, this is a clear reference to 
hugging. Sounds just a little too too, if you catch my drift.)

Boom. Before you know it, there goes the whole ball of wax. Burning palaces, 
guys in bedsheet dresses, boutique pizza. When was the last time you heard a 
reference to "traditional Ancient Roman family values?"

Fess up. Never, right? Ha. There.

Just as virtually all heroin addicts began their long road to the corruption 
of AmerikanSociety(tm; your mileage may vary) by trying marijuana, it can 
be safely said that most, if not all, sexual activity had hugging involved 
in it somewhere. First it's hugging; then it's the corner 7-11 selling 
abortion on demand and a Big Gulp for 2.99 (+tax).

The solution is clear. Let's stamp out hugging in our lifetime, before we have
a nation of sex addicts bent on destroying the AmerikanFamily(tm; some
assembly required) and there's *still* nothing good on cable.

>--Missy P 2 B

--John Mignault
 jbm@panix.com
 Vote Die Yuppie Scum every single day of your life

PS. What's this thing I read in Clam and Bivalve Monthly (I don't *buy* it, I
read it at the checkout in the market) about Quayle and Robertson's five-head-
ed love child that looks like Elvis?
PPS. Boy, don't those folks in the Greenwich, Connecticut Country Club
crack you up? What a pack of productive Connecticut jokers, eh? Hee hee hee.

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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:24:56 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      GOP & equality

Pay atention, folks:

Anybody else notice that *every* committee of the Republican National
Convention is made up of one man and one woman from each state,
and one delegate each from the Virgin Islands and Guam?

Party of *true* equality, folks.

In your heart, you know it's right.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:21:00 EDT
From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Finally, I'm back! And about Buchanan...

Sue says:
>About Buchanan,  did he alienate his voters from the Republican Party?  Did
>he act like a spoiled brat and demand to he heard?  Of course, I speak of the
>anemic Gov. 'Moonbeam, Jerry (New York town clown) Brown'.

Oh, I suppose Buchanan didn't.  Of course, that's a pretty weak defense of
his speech, when all that can be said for it was that he endorsed Bush, but
beggars can't be choosers, I guess.

>As to enthusiasm,
>I saw more lightening and hear more thunder on the floor in just one night
>than I heard during the entire Dimbulb National Convention.  This is not a
>dead party, you just wish they were.  This was a confident bunch, and an
>excited bunch.

Funny, I would have said the same thing about the Democratic convention.  Go
figure.

>Buchanan said come together, Brown whined, Buchanan said 'Thank you', Brown
>griped, Buchanan told his voters to stand firm behind Bush, Brown wouldn't
>even endorse Clinton if his life depended on it.  Buchanan didn't blow it,
>Brown did!!!!

He blew it so bad that Clinton led by 20-30 points after the convention.
Everyone should blow it so well.

>Sue Clark

General convention note: Whatever happened to sucking up to Perot voters?
I don't think I've heard Perot mentioned once during the Republican convention.
His star seems to have faded faster than many predicted...

Gary W. Olson                 "The great and direct end of government is
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   liberty.  Secure our liberties and privileges,
77 days and counting down...   and the end of government is answered.  If this
                               be not effectively done, government is an evil."
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:10:42 -0500
From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      food & drink & chemicals for thought

hey.
...i am big on chocolates, alcohol, and have taken up smoking with a
vengeance in the last five days.

can i go straight to methadone without the bother of heroin first?

                          * * *anneliese "sid! sid! bring me the syringe" l.
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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ^!

>Alaska:  Northern Exposure.  For another thing, with this crazy keyboard,
>when I hit shift+6, I get a cents sign, not a "not" symbol.

yeah, me too, northern exposure is my favorite show. have you seen home
improvement?  that's very funny too.

ummm, i get the ^ when i do that but i don't know what it means anymore.

>To make this letter relavant to politics, after all that's why we're here,
>did anyone see Perot on CBS This Morning?  Comments?

nope, didn't see it. no comment

>Evelyn

-linda
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From:         "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      A little brain teaser

Hey, I just read this in "Parade".  Some of you may have already
seen it, but here goes:

"You're in Rome, watching a dog dig a hole.  He finds three items:
a jeweled crown inscribed with the name Cleopatra, a medicine bottle
marked with the name Hippocrates and a Roman coin stamped with the date
75 B.C.  Without checking further, which must be a fake?"

Json
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:54:19 CDT
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      where's the beef?

Watching the vanilla coalition, i.e.-RNC (RED NECK CENTRAL?) I am reminded
of the Wendy's commercial - Where's the beef? Lot's of talk but no
substance. Getting support from your family is great, I do it all the
time, but what if you don't have a family?

Andy, please provide an example of bush entertaining questions from either
the media or congress on his policies. He always presents things as "I
know what is best, just do it".

For those of you pushing the republican track record on the environment,
would you care to comment on mr. bush's own environmental expert saying
that this administration has little to be proud of? Exactly which repub
environmental bills you say have improved the air?

The reason that the air in Pittsburg is cleaner is because all of the
factories have moved to other countries.

Also, several economic publications have interesting articles on repub
breaks for business, their impact on the tax roles, and what the average
person receives in return for the special treatment given to businesses.
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Subject:      Re: Night 3 at the ol' RNC
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On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:32:00 -0400 Men-- can't live with 'em,              can't
>>(twenty-five words or fewer, please)
>I did my best.

great.  interesting list.

>funding has not increased in proportion to the number of new AIDS
>cases and there are not enough funds to support research into this.

Where are those funds to come from?  I don't know of anyone stopping
any citizens wanting to donate monies voluntarily from doing so.

>How many more people will die while we wait?

I don't think it's wait...that implies no action @ all.  I still believe
those who are of the ilk to be able to crack this are devoting just about
every brain cell they can to it.  Regardless of their feelings about
who gets AIDS and the moral implications of it (i.e. if they aren't
in the business for humanitarian reasons), they know a cure is
instant fame & fortune and a guaranteed Nobel +.

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From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A little brain teaser

From:         "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>

> Hey, I just read this in "Parade".  Some of you may have already
> seen it, but here goes:

> "You're in Rome, watching a dog dig a hole.  He finds three items:
> a jeweled crown inscribed with the name Cleopatra, a medicine bottle
> marked with the name Hippocrates and a Roman coin stamped with the date
> 75 B.C.  Without checking further, which must be a fake?"

> Json

To know you are 75 years before Christ you must believe strongly in
prophecies.   :-)

--KAT
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: you will pass to texas...you WILL pass to texas...pass to
              texas...

FYI:

That was Mary Fisher, founder of the Family AIDS Network.  Also, her
father is apparently some famous scientist.  Did anyone catch who
he was?  Thanks,

--Missy P 2 B
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Subject:      Re: Oooh, I am such an evil bigot!
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:37:37 EST Kerry Stephenson said:

>nominated?  What is a convention for, anyway?  On a related note,

A convention is a warped version of a high school pep rally.

>does anyone know what the ratings are/have been for the
>various nights of network coverage?

A rerun of "Roseanne" had more viewers than the combined viewers
watching the Repub coverage of CBS, ABC, and NBC.

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From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: the stars at night are big and bright

i was in houston once.
the hotel sheets were damp.
everything was damp.

i have a very dear friend in houston.
he called and said he just bought a new violin and next purchase is gonna
be a gun.

why are you hawking houston road maps, liese? oh, yeah, now i remember,
politics. conventions. acceptance speeches.

long day.

-linda
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From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: from the battered wives

>
>"E" is the most commonly used letter in the english language, do
>you want to be common?
>
>
>-other Andy

Well, just because something is the most commonly used, hardly
means that its common, as in a lowest common denominator sense.
Rather, i would assert  that the letter E is the most accessable
to the people. Eggastly the way goverment was meant to be.


>*Vote Y's Guys*  1-800-4NO-GOVT

almost as thrilling as "its it and that's that"
gag.

votE. wE arE EvErywhErE.
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From:         "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      In communicado, perhaps

I am not sure and this is sort of a tester, but I think that one of the
links which connects Rhodes to the outside world is down.

I don't even know if this will get anywhere, but it is an attempt.

Jason
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:32:42 CDT
From:         The Life of the Party <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: kerry, have you been inhaling?

>>Anyone in netland know how many
>>republicans voted in favor of the congressional pay raise?

>Was there a recorded vote?

Chances are. My advice is, find the date of that vote and check the
Congressional Register. If there was a vote on it and the vote was
a Roll Call (I'd bet money that it was), then the CR would be THE
source for that info.

>-andy

Dave
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