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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: ? Dutch Shepherd ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:14:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Apr14.151109.15168@ll.mit.edu> wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro) writes:
>
>
>  Yesterday, I saw a dog whose breed I did not recognize.  My firm is
>located on an Air Force base, and the Air Police periodically conduct
>random inspections of vehicles entering the base.  Well, they stopped
>me yesterday morning, but this time they had a dog sniff through the
>car.
>
>  I asked the handler what kind of dog it was, and "Dutch Shepherd"
>was his reply.  I wasn't able to talk with him more nor to take a
>really good look at the dog.  It was a little more compact than a GSD
>or a Golden Retreiver.  It had a sturdy build, but it wasn't overtly
>muscular.  The coat was of short-to-medium length, and had a
>salt-and-pepper coloration.
>
>  So, does anyone else know more about this breed?  I didn't find it
>in the AKC Complete Dog Book, although I just remembered that I didn't
>check the Miscellaneous section.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Chiarchiaro
>wjc@ll.mit.edu

OOOWWWW!!!!!!   They're here?  In the US!? I can't believe it!  OOOWWWWWW!!!!!

Hollandse Herdershounds the Dutch Shepherd!
Vertially unknown in other countries and extremely rare in the Netherlands.
There are thrre varities, shorthair, wirehair and longhair.
Their coloring is vertially black with dark or light brindled with silver or
gold streaks.  The wire hair also comes in  a blue or grey brindle color.
They look a bit like a Belgian Tervuren or a brindled Belgain
Malinois.  The Dutch Shepherd was registered in 1897 and the breed
club established in 1898.
Not much information is availiable on them and they are bordering on
the edge of extinction.  In Holland they are trying to extend the
gene pool by outcrossing them to a Tervuren and then breeding back to
Dutch Shepherds for a minimum of three generations before reregestering
them as Dutch Shepherds again.  There are a few in Washington state.
If anyone does know of a breeder in the US I'd love to have the address.
The three pictures I have of them look a bit like a Belgian Trevuren
but have a more German Shepherd looking muzzle.  The are BEAUTIFUL in
the pictures.  The crossed bitch in the picture (Half Tervern/Half
Dutch Shepherd) is STRIKING!  The article I have is is Dog Fancy May 1988.
For more information it says to contact:

Nederlandse Herdershonden Club
Th. F.M. Kolster-Reckman
Secretary
Oosterdiep WZ 62
7881 GM
Emmer-Compascuum Holland

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Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
From: benner@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: seeking a Labrador rescue group
Keywords: is there a Lab rescue in Maryland
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:46:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



You might try the Labrador retriever Club Of the Potomac, either LRC-Potomac
or LRC-America should be able to direct you to the appropriate group.

John Benner
Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of New Mexico
benner@gimbal.unm.edu
From: kathy@cs.rit.edu (Kathleen Flagg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Strange eating habits
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:31:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

>Do all dogs eat strange things or is it just mine???
stuff deleted about strange stuff
>Has anyone else EVER had a problem like this???

Jennifer,
You have described my dog perfectly. (BTW: She also is a husky mix).  She 
even makes me watch her eat.  And bread and paper are her absolute 
favorite foods.   Ashley is going on three and won't break her habits, no matter how hard I try to hide the paper and bread. I'm glad you posted because I thought my dog was the only one.  At least we now know we are not alone in this strange food dog world.

Kathleen
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Renter's/Homeowner's Insurance
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:26:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <28924@brahms.udel.edu> 
	thuyan@brahms.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
>
>Oddly enough, he asked me what kind of dog I had.  He told me that they
>do not sell policies to people with Rotties, Dobermans, G.S. or Pit 
>Bulls.

Had an insurance company ready to cancel because of my two killer GSDs.
I protested, insisted that an agent actually see the dogs.  Fortunately
she was a dog lover and my dogs liked her -- she found a renter's policy
that covered me for $100,000 liability for the dogs.

Shop around, and protest that your sweet, lovable dogs (heh-heh) don't
deserve to be lumped in with those killer, Satanic, HIV+ Pit Bulls :-)

-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SKUNK! phewww
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:28:26 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr10.205254.19572@newshost.lanl.gov>
    crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
 
>Now where can we obtain a bunch of
>standard-stink skunks to make sure the trial is fair?  :)
>
 
   I had 3 as pets when I was in Junior High (many years ago).
They were caught from the wild as babies and tamed down quite
nicely (although I certainly would recommend against doing
that now that I'm not quite older than dirt, but close).
 
   We released them back into the wild the next spring, and they
promptly went to our neighbor's fence and sprayed their dog...
(snicker)...
 
   This didn't really have much to do with the topic, but I thought
the net might find it amusing...
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |  "Success is the realization of your
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Lab Breed Standards (was Re: White Lab ?)
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:24:48 GMT

Regarding this whole Lab standard issue, I just want to say that I feel
alittle bit as though words were put into my mouth.  I responded to a
question of the color of Labradors to which Mr. Barnes responded with a
comment that Labs also MUST hunt.  I found this somewat irritating because
I had not been dealing with anything other than what color is allowed in
Labs and was merely trying to stress that an albino Lab would not be
correct.  The issue of the standard was also introduced and in order to
encourage correctness, I posted the text of the standard.  Which may make
it appear that I am not in favor of Labs hunting.

Nothing could be further from the truth.  I am a firm believer that Labs
are a multi-purpose animal.  They were developed to retrieve game and that
is what makes them happy!  So, I think that labs should be allowed,
encouraged, asked to retrieve.  I do not feel however that retrieving
necessarily means dead birds.  My dogs do retrieve dead birds -- I test
them in AKC hunt tests and at NAHRA tests.  But, a dog that retrieves the
newspaper or tennis balls or frisbees won't miss the feathers between his
teeth.

I think that the Lab standard, as currently written, does leave some things
out and the temperament of the dog (which includes retrieving instincts) is
the main one of them.  However, the standard is merely a PHYSICAL
description of the dog in order that Judges can have some basis for
comparison.  

In my opinion, as a future breeder of Labs, the most important feature of
the breed is the temperament.  The other things I look for then are health,
and the physical conformation.  Remember that I include retreiving ability
in with temperament.

Sorry that this is so rambly, but . . . I'm sick and no too coherent!

Liza Miller and the Cibola Gang . . .  Rosie arrives on Saturday and we
can't WAIT!  

--
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@pangea.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash                   Hopper--Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop
                 Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
From: kae@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Karen Erickson)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:42:15 GMT
Subject: please???
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

This is discourgaging, folks...I haven't seen any ideas for helping me out
with Tucker's fear of thunderstorms. 
Have I finally come upon the one problem that doesn't have a fix?? Oh please
say it ain't so! We have a storm forecast for late this afternoon and/or
tonight (you know how weather forecasting goes) and I'd love to have some kind
of idea on how to get him over this panic he kicks into. 
We used to have a real good dog psychologist in this area, Suzanne Arguello,
but I don't know where she is anymore. 

Still hoping somebody can help us out here...
-k
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Barrier Method
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:59:22 GMT

In article <92095.092330DLP@psuvm.psu.edu>, DLP@psuvm.psu.edu (David L. Passmore) writes:
|> We adopted our greyhound, Lewis, in Nov 91. He is a real treat--gentle guy who
|> has adapted as well to us as we to him. We have had only one problem, and this
|> occurred only on one day. When we leave him alone for brief periods he
|> experiences some anxiety. One day he chewed the $65 VCR controller. So now we
|> put on his track muzzle when we go out. It fits well, but, at the same
|> time, loosely. He drinks water through it. One day he even pushed a bit of food
|> through it. He sleeps with it on. It doesn't seem like too much for him.
|> And, it keeps him from taking a bite out of anything.
|> 
|> Any other options or experiences?

Crating or kennelling works extremely well.  The dog gets used to his/her crate
being a secure haven and you don't have to worry about your dog chewing,
destroying property, or defecating.  I have four crate-trained dogs and I 
recommend it to anybody.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Heeling advice requested
From: bmann@desire.wright.edu
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:36:50 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

I haven't posted a report on Barney lately, being busy with all sorts of
things.  I'm still in love with him - he's extremely affectionate and
remarkably well behaved for a 6 1/2 month old Airedale.  Gave him his
first haircut last week and he even LOOKS like an Airedale instead of
a large floor mop.

We have been going to beginning obedience classes for about 4 weeks now
and I have some questions about what's going on.  Barney is generally
pretty good at sits, downs (well, sort of, anyway), and stays and is
super at recalls - he genuinely LOVES to come when called and does it
with lots of enthusiasm and tail-wagging.  What he isn't good at is
heeling.  I think part of the problem with this is that I'm confused
about what I'm supposed to be doing with him.  We have a very 
disorganized instructor for the class with 2 pretty good assistants.
The instructor tells me one thing, the assistants tell me something
else, and nothing seems to work well with Barney.  I think that's
because he's getting conflicting messages from me, since I don't
know what to do.

The problem: He surges ahead a lot and is very easily distracted by
all the other things going on - lots of other dogs in my class and
others.  We're in a center "ring" in a large gymnasium-type room
with a puppy class on one side of us and another beginner's class
on the other.

What I've been told to do by various people (you will observe that
it is impossible to do this all at once):
	1. Talk to him constantly, praising him profusely when he 
heels well.  (No advice from this person about what to talk to him
about when he isn't heeling well!)
	2. "Pop" the collar when he goes out of heel position -
popping in a direction that urges him back to the right place.
	3. Tell him "NO" at the same time I pop.
	4. Repeat "Heel" at the same time I pop.
	5. Use bait to keep his attention.
	6. Don't use bait to keep his attention.

Recently the rather disorganized instructor has suggested that we
might need to try Barney on one of those corrective collars - a
step up from a choker.  I'm reluctant to do this until all other
methods fail.

Can somebody give me some definitive advice about this problem?
Am I expecting too much of a 6-month-old puppy who is doing so
well at everything else?  

I'm afraid he'll get to the point where he's confused enough that
he'll start hating this and I definitely don't want to do that.

e-mail responses to bmann@desire.wright.edu or post them.

Thanks. - Barbara Mann\
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A tragic accident
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:58:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.10806
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA

In <ku0ledINNrt5@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> primeaux@duncan.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux) writes:

>Yesterday, in Union County, Tennessee (East Tennessee, not too far
>from Knoxville), a woman was attacked and killed by a chow.  As the 

>The couple had gotten the two-year-old dog from a man in North Carolina
>just the day before.  The man did *not* tell them that the dog had 
>previously bitten a man and had once killed a smaller dog.  One report 


>Now, just a couple of personal observations.  First, I think the media is
>handling this tragedy in a responsible manner.  Secondly, as owner of a 
>*very* docile, laid back, neutered, pound-rescued chow-mix, I am somewhat
>un-nerved by this story -- even though we have had Roosevelt for about a year
>now and dot him as a puppy.

>Any comments?

Yes.  If the media really had handled this incident responsibly 
people like you who have had neutered chow mixes since puppyhood
(the dog's puppyhood, that is) wouldn't be un-nerved.

Damon

-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Computer Science Dept.         Tulane University, New Orleans LA, USA
From: esa@tglobe2.tollpost-globe (Esa K Viitala)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: neutering and spaying
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:46:48 GMT
Reply-To: esa@tglobe2.UUCP (Esa K Viitala)
Organization: TOLLPOST-GLOBE AS, Systems Department, N-6300 Aandalsnes, Norway

In article <769@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
  >Surely you jest!  Ovaries and testes are necessary equipment for
  >saving lives?  The relationship between sex drive and heroic
  >behavior or working ability is not intuitively obvious.
You sound as if you've never worked with Search and Rescue dogs. 

I'd like to discuss this subject with you after you've collected, say,
10 years of experience on the theme. Or maybe it isn't intuitively obvious 
to you that experience would make you better qualified in such a
discussion?

---ekv




-- 
Esa Viitala,TOLLPOST-GLOBE A/S,Systems Department,PO Box 100,N6301 Aandalsnes, 
Norway.Tel:(+47 72)26678,Fax:(+47 72)26694,Email: ...!mcsun!nuug!tglobe2!esa
Have you ever noticed that the people who are always trying to tell you,
"There's a time for work and a time for play," never find the time for play?
From: wagner@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Where is Nipper the RCA dog burried?
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:09:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Apr3.023615.683@ultra.com> spetter@ultra.com (Scott Spetter) writes:
>
>Checkers has a memorial and gravesite in the Bide-A-Wee pet cemetary
>in Wantagh, Long Island, New York.  I only know this because I grew
>up there.

A couple of weeks ago, NPR did some kind of
expose of, or reported about a lawsuit
against, a pet cemetary in (on) Long
Island.  It turned out that the cemetary
had been putting the wrong pets in graves,
occasionally throwing bodies in dumpsters,
etc.

Does anyone remember the story?  Was the 
Bide-A-Wee mentioned above?

Mike
From: walls@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Apology
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:15:15 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

I am sending this message to apologize for the big issue that was created
when I posted the article called "Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
First of all, I did not write the article, the article was printed from
the April 8 issue of Ann Lander's column. The man who wrote it, called
his article that. I keep religon out of alot of material I write, as
someone always seems to blow it out of proportion such as the case of this
article. If I would of known that I created so many problems I would NEVER
have put it in here. I had no intention of starting a flame war.
Secondly, I felt that as animal lovers, you would have enjoyed it anyway,
religon or not. I keep my beliefs to myself, if anyone was offended, please
accept my apology. For all the fanatics that call themselves CHRISTIANS
but don't practic what they preach and find an excuse to throw everthing
out of context, GROW UP. And to think that I have 2 more articles concerning
the love humans have for animals. I was going to post them but I got scorched
pretty bad from the last flame throwing party that was held in my honor.
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: man charged with taunting police dog
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:37:34 GMT
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order

In article <1992Apr3.225837.21245@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer) writes:
>I believe in many places a police dog is thought of an a
>"police official" ... commanding the same respect as any
>officer of the courts.  It is certainly a more serious
>offense then harassing any OTHER dog.  It's a respect for
>the law issue more then anything else.

Therefore one can properly say that some cops are really sons of
bitches?  (Do they make donuts for dogs?)

ST* (who could NOT resist, and didn't even try that hard)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: meadows@seq.uncwil.edu (John Meadows)
Subject: Re: Seizure (Epilepsy ?)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:42:30 GMT


Frank,
	When my english bulldog was two years, he wrote me up one morning
with his head shaking in an up and down fashion.  I quickly took him to
the vet who said he was having an epileptic seizure.  He gave him 
phenobarbital to stabilize the seizure.  The siezures kept happening
after I took him off the medication, so I got a video camera and taped
the seizures.  They were strange in that he was in control and I could
bring him out of the attack by getting him excited.  This was the 
opposite of a "seizure" where the patient loses control of his body.
However, the vet had no better diagnosis than a siezure.  I sent the
tape to the NC state Vet school where they looked  at the tape.
	Next I took my dog to the school of vet science at NCSU and had
several tests done.  Including c-scan;spinal tap; all blood and
other fluid tests.  They all came out negative or positive depending
on the test (all were good news except that it did not explain why my 
dog had uncontrollable head shaking).
	The end result is that we have to keep Butkus on phenobarbital
constantly to avoid the head shaking.  The dosage is so small that my
vet says it is not even therapudic(??) but he will have an attack as
soon as I take him off the drug.  I can always get him out of his
attacks by getting him excited.
	The things that seem to bring the attacks more frequently than 
others is ham, chocolate (a definite no no).
	Hope your dog is doing better, what medication is he/she on?

	Anyone else had this trouble with bulldogs or any dogs?

Thanks,

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From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog baths
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 09:49:10 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <92084.074819U27468@uicvm.uic.edu> U27468@uicvm.uic.edu (Nancy Bulinski) writes:
==> 
==> I use a tearless doggie shampoo, lather the neck area first and work
==> towards the tail, be sure to rinse well (soap film left on dog will
==> make them scratch), and I finish off with a spray conditioner and then
==> a spray doggie perfume - the expressions on their faces when I subject
==> them to this indignity is something to see -, towel them off as well
==> as I can, and then HOPE they stay clean for atleast a day or two.
==> 
good description, but i have a couple caveats.  the first is to never
use perfume on a dog if you have any suspicion of allergies.  if your
dog every scratches or sneezes or wheezes without an obvious explanation,
suspect allergies and nix the perfume.  personally, i'd just skip the
perfume period, but that's all a matter of preference.

the groomer at my vet's bathes my dog weekly, and they put something
in the eyes.  i'm not sure if that's something that is recommended
in general, or if it's because she is using medicated shampoos that
would irritate the eyes.  anyone else know?

while we're on this thread, they used to recommend putting a cotton
ball soaked in mineral oil in the dog's ears to keep water out,
the theory being that water in the ears could lead to an infection.
they don't seem to recommend this any more -- does anyone know if
this has been officially discredited?
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Questions:  Lyme Disease vaccine
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:16:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Apr7.121653.29570
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <804@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
>For those who wish to vaccinate against Lyme's, there is no need to spend $50
>for a series of two shots. Omaha Vaccine sells the Borrelia Burgdorferi
>Bacterin vaccine (Lyme's) for $7.45 for a single does vial. Note that the
>vaccine is NOT available in CO, HI, IN, KY MT, or NJ. Don't know why.

Actually, it is available in NJ now.  Up until this year, the manufacturer
had decided not to make it available here.  However, NJ law prohibits
shipping vaccines into the state, except to vets.  (Although I've heard
tell that some of the catalog companies are "careless" about this law.)
So, at least we in the People's Republik can now vaccinate our dogs against
Lyme, even if we have to go to the vet to do so.

Roberta
...and the DoberPups
From: mjones@FENWAY.AIX.KINGSTON.IBM.COM (Mike Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Where is Nipper the RCA dog burried?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:27:16 GMT
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

In article <22490@alice.att.com> r hardin writes:
> There used to be, anyway, Nipper's Lounge, a seedy bar in Albany NY,
> with possibly the original RCA statue of Nipper out front.

Where was it? I don't think it exists any more. There *is* a building in
Albany that used to be owned by RCA which has a (roughly) 30-foot-tall
Nipper on top! It's great...you can read the "Nipper" on his collar from
several blocks away. :-)

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

Sometimes I wonder if men and women really suit each other.  Perhaps they
should live next door and just visit now and then.
	- Katherine Hepburn