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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:04:53 GMT

In article <1e9lalINNjs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>>>I agree.  I think that it will keep them out of the top five in 1993.  But
>>>Madison seems content not to push the envelope and focus instead on bringing
>>>solid drumcorps to the field.  A lot of people around me in Madison last
>>>year enjoyed the Scout's show more than any other and I'm sure the Scout's
>>>staff gets enough positive feedback that it doesn't feel any need to change.
>>>
>>>After all, they did WIN in 1988 with Malaguena.
>> 
>>And a highly questionable result it was, too.
>> 
>>Mike Hughes
>
>agreed... let's take a straw vote and see how many people thought SCV should
>have won with their Phantom of the Opera show..
>
>I'm curious..
>
>any volunteers? I don't have enough email space to conduct such a survey.
>
>I still SCV was gyped and they should have won in 1988 and 1989 IMO. I was
>blown away by Star's show in 1990 and I was pissed when they only got 3rd.
>just my 2 cents worth..
>
>Omar Zaidi

I DEFINITELY agree with you about Star in 1990.  If you have the CDs, just
listen to the corps.  AMAZING!!

You will never see Star regurgiating a show from the past (I hope).  The
Roman Images show just wouldn't be the same, especially without Zingali's
drill.

Rob
[rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu]
>
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: When did you practice
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:11:18 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <19223@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:
> I think that the Freelancers practice 10 AM to 10 PM during the summer.
> At first, I wondered why they would waste so much cool daylight
> (from sunrise to 10 AM) and practice in the heat.  Later, I
> reasoned that since the corps has to compete late at night,
> the practice schedule was chosen to keep the marcher's
> "body clocks" on regular time.

Not really. We travel to the next show site during the night and arrive anytime
between 4 to 7 in the morning. The bus doesn't really lend itself to deep
slumber, so we are given at least 2 hours of 'floor time' when we get there.
Basically we have an equation.....divide bus time in half and then add floor
time enough to make 7 hours of sleep. We just started this last year and we
had a much better year, tempermentaly. People were more awake/alert, and  
less likely to bicker. We didn't have the mid-season 'bus-wars' that we often
had in the past.

Once we get up, we have another hour to eat/shower, get equipment ready (Change
heads, oil valves, and change to practice flags)...so we actually start
rehearsal around 10. If we don't have a show, we will rehearse until midnight,
or until the cops come and tell us to stop.

> 
> I just read a posting where someone mentioned practicing rather
> early in the day.  

We will do this if we have prelims....go to bed early the night before, get up
at 3AM and go do run-thru's.
> 
> What experiences have others had, and do you think I'm right about 
> the reason for not starting early in the day?
> 
> A related question:  Did anyone ever burn their lips on a mouthpiece
> that was left sitting in the sun?

Just about! We have a rule that either you cover the horn (Valves and
mouthpiece) or you take it with you and find it some shade. Burnt on valve oil
isn't very cool.
> 
> Tom Matthews

Brooke Phelps
Colts '89-'93
Mellophone
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From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
	<1992Nov17.183413.37579@watson.ibm.com>
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:04:53

In article <1992Nov17.183413.37579@watson.ibm.com> owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com () writes:

   ...Got a good story about 
   intimidating judges at critique if you want to hear it... :)
   In 90 Boston spent all year beating top-twelve bound corps, won 
   prelims, but got squeezed out in the only show that counted.

Yes, please tell the story.  I would love to hear it myself.

This newsgroup needs more folklore!  Let's hear those war stories!

	George
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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison 93 show
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:31:40 EDT
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In article <1992Nov17.154618.3599@medtron.medtronic.com> (alt.drumcorps), ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas) writes:
>------------------------------- 
>
>I believe that the Louie Bellson album containing "Numero Uno"
>is titled "Explosion".  The title song was used by the Crossmen
>in '81.  During this piece, the sopranos had a front and center 
>feature that was quite memorable (to me anyway).  It was a 16th
>note lick, several bars long, but what was neat was that each
>person fingered the guy's horn next to him!  Has any other corps
>tried this?  It always got a great response!
>

No, that's "Explosion" from the album of the same name.  A great chart,
in fact the same album (recorded live at the Concorde Paviliion) has
"Samabandrea Swing" on it, played by the Cavies in '79, '80, and '81.
"Numero Uno" isn't on that one...

Niel

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From: cc0001@russia.medtronic.com (Christopher Carriero)
Subject: Re: 'Straw Poll'...was RE:Madison Music
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:38:50 GMT

>>
>>['everyone' does not necessarily mean me or you.....just the general sentiment
>>here.....;) ]
>>
>>So let's take a poll of 'who should have won in '92'! Maybe we can predict the
>>world champion for '93!!
>>
>>I'm personally up for Garfield.
>
>I think Star will win in '93. :) 
>

I think '93 is Garfield's year (again).  I would also look for Crossmen
to make a strong showing this coming season.

>>Brooke
>>Colts '89-'93
>>Mellophone
>
>-David
>-- 
> Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
> ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
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-- Chris


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From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison music
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:55:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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A friend of mine that has worked with Star for the last 6 years
told me that the '91 show used only about 5% of Zingalli's drill.
Ther rest, was from Todd Ryan and someone else (????).  While
I usually enjoy a well performed AZingalli drill, the awesome '91
Star show you speak of is not really his work.

That is the pronblem with having big name people on staff.  Sure,
they're great (usually), but the people that do most of (if not all
of) the real work go unnoticed because of a big name instructor.
It is my belief that Todd Ryan was MAJORLY underated as a drill
writer because he worked under Zingalli or along with him on his
(toTodd's) greates t show, '91 Star's.

So, IMHO, Todd Ryan is like the grerwat ballplayer fro a great
team that goes unnoticed because of the AWESOME player on the team.

Chris 
Star in '93?????
Baritone
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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Dates for 1993 Regionals
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:40:58 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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Keywords: questions, geeky, composer


From December DCW:

July 17		DCM Championships - DeKalb
		DCE Championships - Boston
July 24		DCI North - Buffalo
		DCI South - Nashville
July 31		DCI Preview of Champions - Ypsilanti
August 7	DCI East - Allentown
		Drums along the Rockies - Denver
August 14	DCI Mid-America - Bloomington
August 16-21	DCI Championships - Jackson
September 5-6	DCA Championships - Scranton, PA

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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: When did you practice
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:13:30 GMT

In alt.drumcorps you write:

>I think that the Freelancers practice 10 AM to 10 PM during the summer.
>At first, I wondered why they would waste so much cool daylight
>(from sunrise to 10 AM) and practice in the heat.  Later, I
>reasoned that since the corps has to compete late at night,
>the practice schedule was chosen to keep the marcher's
>"body clocks" on regular time.

Before tour, we also practiced from 10 AM to 10 PM except when our
gorilla section leader decided sectionals would start a 8 AM.  I really
think this was a way to get used to what was going to happen on tour.

Once you're on tour, you usually don't arrive until 2 or 3 AM, so the
staff wants to make sure you get at least a few hours of sack-time on
the floor.  (Who would ever imagine being grateful for sleeping on a
hardwood floor.  GOD, I miss drum corps.)

Wakeup and breakfast were usually around 8:00 AM and rehearsal started
about an hour later.  

>A related question:  Did anyone ever burn their lips on a mouthpiece
>that was left sitting in the sun?

Well, it didn't feel none too good on sun and wind burnt lips, but I
never really burned my lips.  I averaged two jars of Carmex and a bottle
of Vitamin E oil each summer trying to fight off burnt lips though.

I *did* have my lips freeze to my mouthpiece in a Christmas parade
though.  The horns down at the end of the piece is something I'll never
forget.

Later,
Bob

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From: HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:17:41 GMT
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In <1992Nov17.234431.5800@watson.ibm.com> owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com writes:

> As soon as you play something that well known (in the 
> drum corps world) you better be ready to do it better.  When I
> hear Pictures at an Exhibition I can't help but think of SCV.
> And they did it soooo well, that reminding people of it isn't
> doing us any favors in comparison. :)

I would beg to differ on this point.  Even if someone were doing to same
material in the same year, you judge the groups on how well they do what they
attempt, not how well they do it compared to this other group that did it 5-6
years ago.  This is just something I've had to learn to do from the limited
rep. I see in the majority of marching programs (not strictly limited to corps).
even so, I'd much rather see a different group perform the same material, than
a corps recycling material.  Unless a group is like Star and redefines
themselves year after year, the performance is going to be fundamentally the
same.  The style and execution won't differ that much to make a true
reinterpretation.

> I hope no one does Micheal Tork before I convince Boston to do
> it.  

If you're talking about Michael Torke, I feel Garfield would really be the
appropriate corps for his compositional style, but from I've seen (and heard
about where they're going) Boston could probably give the music a good turn in
a couple of years (not right now, schade).  "Green" or "Bright Blue Music"
would transfer best to the field.  Some of his chamber music might make good
pieces for BD to try also.


MWS
hmusamws@admin.uh.edu
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From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: Info request on facets of the Cavies '92 show
Keywords: questions, geeky, composer
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:31:30 GMT

In article <1elhsoINNhcm@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.025112.3640@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:

>I have a CD with Gavorkna Fanfare on it and this is what it says about
>Jack Stamp:


Can you give me the 'bibliography' for that CD? (label, etc)

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From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: crossmaN
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:37:21 GMT

In article <19977.2b10d359@ul.ie> 9225978@ul.ie writes:
>How about crossman for top 12 in 1993?????
>
>Does anyone else think that they are simply the best up and coming new
>corps?								    ^^^

Ahh, these young kids, '97 age outs...

But on a positive note, they seem to be getting their act back together. I
re-iterate that they have always had a rather good but neglected drum line.
I still like the 'pass the joint' visual that the drum line did back in the
'80s during that Caj Tjader toon.

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From: dsn41188@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david nirschl)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:42:16 GMT

rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:

>>A friend of mine that has worked with Star for the last 6 years
>>told me that the '91 show used only about 5% of Zingalli's drill.
>>Ther rest, was from Todd Ryan and someone else (????).  While
>>I usually enjoy a well performed AZingalli drill, the awesome '91
>>Star show you speak of is not really his work.
>>
>About all he wrote was the rotating box in the opener and the rotating
>cross at the end.  Personally, the rotating cross is my favorite
>dirll move of all time, bar none!!

Give me a break!! I can't belive I'm reading this. Let me tell you how it
worked. George and Todd sat down; George came up with the pictures he 
wanted, and told Todd what sections went where. Then Todd did the dirty work,
figuring intervals and who went where. Once it was on the field, Todd might
rewrite a set because of practical reasons, but I don't call this writing
drill. Sure, Todd was great at his position - technical cleaning. But when it
came to the actual drill, it was George all the way. 


>>That is the pronblem with having big name people on staff.  Sure,
>>they're great (usually), but the people that do most of (if not all
>>of) the real work go unnoticed because of a big name instructor.
>>It is my belief that Todd Ryan was MAJORLY underated as a drill
>>writer because he worked under Zingalli or along with him on his
>>(toTodd's) greates t show, '91 Star's.

Wait a minute - who marched Star in '91? Not you, I think. 

>>Chris 
>>Star in '93?????
>>Baritone





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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Drill Writing Programs???
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:39:11 GMT

( ... I apologize in advance if I got any of the attributions wrong ... )

cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.204816.27017@watson.ibm.com>, owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com () writes:
>> 
>>  *  allows you to preview an animation of sets or a whole show

>This is the most important feature of a program, IMO.  This is what really
>gives the edge to a program instead of by hand.  You can actually SEE the drill
>in motion.

(The Mac version also has a MIDI option so you can *hear* the show too.)

Except that the Pyware program always assumes you want a stright path
from spot to spot.  If you want motion more complicated than that you
have to use *many* transition sets or plot each step individually.

>>  *  can easily produce sub-sets between two written sets

Well, I don't know about how easily.  If you are doing passthroughs or
breakouts, then you may have a *bear* of a time indicating which spot
belongs to which person.

>YEah, when I was working with my Pyware program, I had a little notebook with
>all of my numbers and stuff jotted down.  Gets confusing after a bit, trying to
>remember what number means what.  Especially if you have two shows going on.

We always addressed this by writing the count numbers in the music we
used while writing drill.

>BTW, do you know if this IBM version has a winterguard setting?  With
>basketball markings?  I'd really like to find one that does.  Maybe even with
>just the half-court line and 10 to 15 step size.

The IBM version does have the court option.

>Know of any other programs out there?

Personally I like Drill CAD the best.  (I believe Zingali was a big
advocator of this program.)  While it has some of the same disadvantages
as Pyware, I think it is much more flexible.

Later,
Bob

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From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Snares on top, pipebands (was Re: Snare Technology)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:14:54 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

Last year, the Queen's Own Highlanders toured with the Coldstream Guards,
and my wife (who is a Stuart) and I went to see them.  I was glad to hear
her say first what I was thinking: those snares just aren't very precise 
when compared to the Vanguard and Blue Devils.  I actually like the
sound of bagpipes (in my case it's not genetic) but I wish the drums
were more together somehow.  Perhaps pipe bands don't strive for the
same drum sound - but I think they would if they could "borrow" a really
good snare line.  

Tom Matthews  
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From: stevenj@athena.mit.edu (Steven G Johnson)
Subject: DCI Calendars; Madison Scouts
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:20:04 GMT

Has anyone heard if the Crossmen will be selling DCI calendars
again this year?  I have seen nothing in DCW.  If you have
any information, please post to this group.
I just received my Madison Scouts Christmas cards, and they
are really nice.  Speaking of Madison, I must say that I am
also disappointed with their 93 show plans.  I sure hope that
the drill during 'Remembrance' is more exciting than what
they did in 90.
      Glenn Johnson
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Subject: Re: Madison music
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:28:53 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Nov13.185524.10159@beaver.cs.washington.edu>,
dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) says:
>
>In article <1992Nov13.094525.5577@desire.wright.edu> byork@desire.wright.edu
>writes:
>>                THE SHOW WILL BE:
>>
>>                  NUMERO UNO ('81 -ISH)
>>                  STRAWBERRY SOUP ( '82 AND '83 I BELIEVE)
>>                  REMEMBRANCE ( 1990)
>>
>>        I WAS AT THE SCOUTS BANQUET THIS LAST WEEKEND, ADN THE DIRECTOR
>>REFERED TO LAST SEVERAL YEARS AS RE-BUILDING YEARS; AND NOW THE CORPS IS
>>READY TO MAINTAIN ITS HIGH LEVEL.
>>                            BARRY
>
>Is anyone else just a little disappointed that Madison has decided
>to go with a show that consists entirely of music they have played before?
>At least one new piece would make it a bit more interesting, in my
>opinion.
>
>-- Donald
 
My sentiments exactly, Donald.  You must have one hell of a creative block
if you can't find ANY new music to perform, considering that over the past
10 years, you've only presented a COMBINED total of less than 2 hours
worth of music (much less when you consider the years where older tunes
were regurgitated)!!
 
Someone needs to expand the horizons of Madison's musical design staff (as
well as the staffs of a few other corps).
 
Mike Hughes
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:45:23 GMT

<MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

< ... discussion about watching more than one caption deleted ... >

>As an individual, no, I can't concentrate on all captions at once.  But in the
>group of friends I was with, there were 2 brass players.  There was one guy
>who writes and teaches drill.  There were 2 guys (myself included) who write
>and teach marching percussion.  All of us had been drum corps fans since
>about 1978, so we knew what to look for, and we did have a concensus of
>opinion regarding the outcome.

Same here.  At least we did that night.

>I think it is also worthwhile to point out that we did not just see the shows
>at finals.  We saw the top 12 three times in three days, from different
>positions in the stadium.  Most of us had also seen most or all of the top 12
>in earlier-season shows.

This is the key, I didn't really start to appreciate Madison's visual
show until I got the video tapes.  After a few dozen times you notice a
lot of subtle effects that you don't catch the first few time.  (We saw
Madison 9 times in 1988 from various vantage points, but still that was
not enough.)

When I watch the other corps repeatedly, there just aren't as many tasy
things happening visually.

I definitely understand why they won, although had BD and SCV had
little stronger shows, maybe things would have been different.
BD was a little flat (IMHO) and SCV had a *horrendous* horn show.
Madison was *electric* that night.

Oh well, disagreeing about show placements is half the fun of drum
corps.

Later,
Bob

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