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From: scarr@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Multiple fathers?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:51:28 GMT

In article <tam.721421016@stat.tamu.edu>, tam@stat.tamu.edu (Tamara Martin) writes> My mother and I were talking about our newest addition, Seagrams.
> 
> My question is this, during the converstation, my mom said that 
> cats would have two different fathers to one litter. What she was 
> unsure of, is wether the litter itself can have two fathers, or if 
> an actual kitten can have two fathers. Does anyone know anything 
> about this? I thought it was really bizarre, but it really makes 
> sense with Seagrams.
> 
> --
> ~\~\|/~/~      -=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=-    ~\~\|/~/~
>    o o                                                   o o
>   (___)        Tamara Martin                            (___)
>     U	       Tam@stat.tamu.edu                          U
> 		
> There's no escape from death's embrace, though you lead it on a merry chase.
> The dogs of death enjoy the chase. Just see the smile on each hound's face. 
> The chase can't last; the dogs must feed. It will come to pass with 
> terrifying speed. 				--The book of counted sorrows.

Tamara -

	Your mother is correct that a single litter can have two fathers.
Cats are what are known as "induced ovulators", meaning that copulation
itself causes release of the egg - thus in principle a litter can have as
many fathers as the mother mates with (the documented record is four!). I
should know - my Jennet (who is an Aggie by the way, though I don't like
to admit it) got out the day before she was supposed to be neutered and
came back three days later with four proto-kittens - two tabbies like her
and two black-and-white like the studly dude over at the horse unit that
she so much admired.

	On the other hand it is extremely unlikely that a single kitten
would have two fathers. It would never happen in the normal course of
things. There is a phenomenon (chimerism) where two fertilized eggs would
fuse very early in development to produce a single kitten who would be a
mixture of two cell lines - I suppose this could happen with eggs 
fertilized
by diferent fathers. There is also something called polyspermy where a
single egg gets fertilized by two sperm more or less simultaneously -
again its possible though unlikely that the donors would be different
males. Various weird combinations have been documened in cats.

	What's the name of the place on Texas Ave. where you can get an
"Aggie Special" - BBQ, ribs, & sausage on butcher paper with Mrs. Baird's
white bread and you eat it off the end of a knife?

	What do you do for excitement in College Station? Go to Austin ...

Gig'em
Steve
From: mas5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELLE A. M. SZENA)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: What to name a male black Kitten
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:49:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I thought of two cute names - Coal or Smudge

Michelle
and Pookie and merlin
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: sarah@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Any Good "natural" food for cat beside canned one??
Reply-To: sarah@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:58:57 GMT

I have no money right now, but could you post a recipe for Xmas
Cat Snax to put in Xmas socks for kitties? Oops... I meant Xmas
Stockings.  Oh, well... I'll get the hang of it eventually.

Sarah
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lois@Armstrong.EDU (Lois A. Houston)
Subject: Re:  Other Monsters
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:42:38 GMT


Another monster to watch out for is the Carpet Monster.  Fortunately
for my husband and me, Miss Kitty regularly checks our carpets for the
dreaded beasts.  While we're at work (so we won't get hurt in the ensuing
battle, I'm sure) she bravely pushes the rugs into a pile and ferociously
attacks the Carpet Monster.  Sometimes, the Carpet Monster gets the
upper hand and it becomes necessary to get a running start and slide the
rug and the carpet monster across the floor and into the wall, causing
the Carpet Monster to fade into oblivion from the impact with the wall.

When we get home, Missy warns us to steer clear of the carpets, knowing
what peril lies there for unsuspecting humans.  She races ahead of us,
between our legs, causing us to stumble just to the left or right of the
rugs, saving us from certain death from the Carpet Monster.

What a brave kitty!

Lois, Miss Kitty, Murphy Cat and THEM (the husband and dogs) :-)

-- 
Spend it while you can            |
	Money is contraband       |	Lois A. Houston
You can't take it with you        |     kilowatt!laa@armstrong.edu
	when you go --            |     lois@armstrong.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re: Need advice on moving and cats
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:27:01 GMT

I have moved several times with several different cats.  The key word
is DIFFERENT.  Each one reacted differently.  Some of them were sure
that I moved just to amuse them, they loved it, others were upset for
weeks.  My advice is:

1. Take Slash to your parents for the actual move, i.e. while the door
   is open at the old place and the new place.  

2. After everything is in the new place but not unpacked, move Slash 
   in, he may enjoy helping you unpack and arrange things.

3. Don't be upset if he pees in strange places for a few days.

4. Give him time.

Liv 


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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:38:48 GMT

In article <2620@cronos.metaphor.com> pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)  
writes:
> 
> A 21 can salute to the soon-to-be-resident cat in the White House,
> Socks!  When (if ever) was the last time there was a cat in the
> White House?
> 
>  
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
>    Paul Stevens                        {apple|decwrl}!metaphor!pstevens
>    Metaphor Computer Systems           pstevens@metaphor.com
>    Mountain View, CA

Well, I finally found a reason to like Clinton. (Had I only known...)

Yeah, Socks!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ranjit@tcs.com (Ranjit Ghate)
Subject: *** DESPARATE - NEED CAT-SITTER ***
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:08:13 GMT

Keywords: 

A friend of mine plans to go away on vacation for 4 months starting
next Monday. The person who had originally agreed to look after her cat
has backed out at the last minute. She is therefore desperately looking
for somebody who could look after her cat while she is away. She currently
lives in San Francisco. Here are some details about her cat:

      Female - neutered
      8 years old
      Grey color
      Well behaved

If you are willing to help or know somebody who could, please call
Suchitra at (415)-931-7068. Your help is deeply appreciated.

Ranjit
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From: afkazan@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (The Dinky Ukie)
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Cats `R' Us
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:48 EST  

In article <6NOV199217323172@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes...
>In article <2620@cronos.metaphor.com>, pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens) writes...
>> 
>>A 21 can salute to the soon-to-be-resident cat in the White House,
>>Socks!  When (if ever) was the last time there was a cat in the
>>White House?
> 
>I dunno... Jimmy Carter was kinda a .... (naww... even *I* can't be that 
>obvious. :-))
> 
>Protection for the *really* easily offended ... press `n' now...
>
> 
>OK, how about this one ... With Clinton in the White House, what do you 
>think the odds are of `Socks' being the only pussy running around ? 
> 
>:-) :-)
> 
>-- Stephen
> 
>A disgruntled Perot supporter.
> 
Gosh, it's hard being a "good" loser, isn't it!  If your candidate had won, 
we would have had a "parrot" in the White House, or should I say "gnome"?  
Now, that reallllllllly would have been a first.  ;-)  By the by, having 
Socks, the cat-elect, in the White House, in my opinion, is another plus 
(don't let your mind read "puss") for Clinton.  ;-)

But, please, tell me, how did rpc become a forum for political opinions?!!  
;-)
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: trauma
Keywords: neighbor's cat got hit
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:04:13 GMT


Tuesday night, in the middle of fixing dinner, one of our neighbors
came to the door to say that someone's Siamese just got run over.  First
thing I did was to look for Mia in the house.  Yes, she was there.  So,
I go out to see who the poor cat was.  To put it mildly, it was gross.
Head injury.  It was Cissy, the lovely cat that belonged to the neighbors
across the street.  They weren't home, and John -the fellow that alerted
me- wasn't about to touch her.  So, Margaret took care of it.  I put
Cissy in a box, and covered her up.  The neighbors that she belonged to
came home about ten minutes later.  I had set the box by their mailbox.
I told them about it, wanted to make sure their little girls didn't see.
What really gets me is that box with poor Cissy in it sat out by their
mailbox ALL DAY yesterday.  It disappeared last night after the husband
came home.

These people bug me.  I know they will have another cat within the next
few weeks.  They don't need pets.  Their never home!  They don't pay any
attention to the dog they have.  If someone comes near her (the dog,
Sonora) she flops onto her back, and urinates all over.  Anyway, I just
had to vent.  Everytime I went to the front door, looked out the window,
I could see the box with Cissy in it.  I am consoled that she did not
suffer.  She had to have been killed instantly with that kind of head
injury.

Thanks for tolerating my venting!
margaret@cs.arizona.edu




Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Subject: Re: how to tell a cat it is a cat, not human
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:58:36 GMT

My cat Bali, when we first got him, spent his first night on the couch. I felt so sorry for him that I thought it would be nicer for him to sleep on the bed.
This is very much a camel-in-the-tent story in that now he dominates the bed,
keeps his post on the pillow closest to the door to keep tabs on who comes in
'his' domain (of course I am allowed access without question, but others....)
and when I go to bed he crawls beneath the comforter and over me with his 
cold little cat feet.  He enjoys crashing between my legs for his night nap and really hasn't the least bit of concern for my legs, especially when he stretches out.


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From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re:  My cat has a check-cashing card
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:07:22 GMT

Many years ago, I changed my phone listing to 'Clarence and Elizabeth ...' 
to cut down on obscene phone calls.  Clarence was a beautiful apricot 
point Balinese with very crossed blue eyes.  Clarence died about 8 
years ago at age 15, but I still have him listed in the phone book.

He has gotten phone calls, junk mail, and a year ago he got a jury summons.
Do you know that there is no box on that form for 'this person is a cat'?


Liv
From: adr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tony Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: WHAT TO NAME A WHITE MALE KITTEN
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:16:51 GMT

In <1992Nov4.014446.175240@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gjs2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE J. SCHLOGL) writes:

>ITS MY FIRST TIME TO EVER HAVE A PET IN MY LIFE.
>ANY ADVICE GIVE IT. ILL NEED IT.
>ALSO I NEED A GREAT NAME.
>NOTHING STUPID OR TIPICAL LIKE WHITEY OR SNOWBALL,FLUFFY
>THANK YOU.
>GEORGE AND ? signing off
>and im living here in allentown


GRUBBY!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rusty@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Hall)
Subject: Re: What to name a male BLACK kitten...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.053636.4250@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, holmbeck@cs.weber.edu (Holmbeck) writes...
>Keywords: 
> 
>Well, I've loved reading what you've all thought about male
> white kittens, how about male Black kittens. :)
> 
>-- Laura
> 
> 
>-- 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"You're perfect, yes it's true. But without me you're only you"
> -- "Midlife Crisis", Faith No More
> holmbeck@csulx.weber.edu / laura@glia.biostr.washington.edu

"Snowball"???
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Kitten HATES Iams!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:35:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center

In article <1992Nov5.142820.18083@wetware.com>, diana@wetware.com (CatWoman
) wrote:
> 
> ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
> 
> ] Everybody was ranting and raving about Iams, so I decided to give it
> ] a try.  I went out and bought this enormous bag.  The thing is,
> ] the kitten WON'T EAT IT!!!!!  She HATES the stuff!!  Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!
> ] 
> ] Is there any way to fool her into eating this stuff?  Or should
> ] I just give up?
> 
> Yours is not the only cat that doesn't care
> for IAMS.  Mine look at me like they wonder
> why I brought home a bag of volcanic ash...
> 
> Suggestion is that you get some baby food,
> beef or chicken, and mix that in with the
> IAMS.  

One dissenting anecdote...

we bought IAMS for our kitten, who immediately abandoned raiding the older
cat's dry food. Then the older cat started eating the kitten's IAMS. So now
we just give them both the expensive stuff...

We have also mixed IAMS 50/50 with Kitten chow, and the cats will both eat
it. We used to mix wet meat food in with the Kitten Chow to try to get the
kitten to eat it and not steal the older cat's food, but she was too smart.
She figured out the older cat wasn't going to steal her dry food, so she
raided the older cat's wet food and then went back to the mixture later.

_- matt


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From: vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton)
Subject: Re: a friend gone
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 05:25:42 GMT

In article <1e1u0tINN3lq@natinst.com> Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com (Thad
 Engeling) writes:
>My mother called me this afternoon at work.
>This morning around 10AM our calico cat Princess was put to sleep.
>She was suffering from kidney failure, and couldn't even move anymore.
>She only weighed 4 pounds because she had stopped eating.
>She was over 18 years old.
>I've known her longer than I've known most of my human friends.
>
>I'm finally really feeling the loss as I write this.
>I don't cry very often, but now I can hardly see to write.


Thad, you have my deepest sympathies.

Ginny>
>I remember the day we went to get her.
>A friend of ours had given her to our pastor's family,
>but his wife was exceedingly allergic to and fearful of cats,
>so he asked us if we wanted her.
>We were very happy to have her.
>She was about 8 weeks old if I remember correctly.
>Tiny.
>A curious and playful ball of multi-colored fur.
>She quickly became an integral part of our household.
>She went camping with us.
>She went on walks.
>She slept on my parents bed every night, and turned my dad into a cat lover.
>
>So many memories flood my mind right now.
>She used to shred the toilet paper off the roller
>until it was just a big pile on the floor.
>She loved to pull ornaments off the christmas tree.
>She would wake my parents in the morning by
>running her paw along the mini-blinds.
>When she was hungry she would tip her food bowl so
>that it rocked back and forth until someone paid attention.
>She loved popcorn and ear-wax.
>
>at Thanksgiving dinner, 1989, all our older relatives over,
>she brought her in her trophy, a still live rat, and laid
>it at the feet of my great aunt.
>
>She touched my life as much as any person.
>I loved her, and I will miss her.
>
>-Thad
>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ruthc@sco.COM (cross index)
Subject: Re: What to name a male black Kitten
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:54:46 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.184944.26192@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mas5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELLE A. M. SZENA) writes:
>I thought of two cute names - Coal or Smudge

a neighbor came home and his car was making strange sounds.
they found the problem - a small black kitten was in the
engine compartment.  the kitten was in a safe place within
the compartment and had not been hurt at all, though he was
slightly greasy.  they named him "greaseball".

-r
-- 
"I gave davidv 25 cents for a line he said in isis staff today comparing
 software to drugs, 'that first line of code is free...'"                -ruthc
"ha ha, that's great!  who's .sig is it going to show up in first?"      -maryk
"well, I guess it should be mine, after all, I paid for it."             -ruthc
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Subject: Re: Spooky things
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:07:13 GMT

thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen) writes:

] Incensed, I decided the problem might be with the equipment.
] Laid down another $10 for a harnass. Got him into thhe
] harnass, and tied it to some clothes line, and decided to
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
] let him rip in the backyard.  He stumbled and tripped to the
] length of the line, and headed toward the neighbour's lawn.
] (We're new on the block, right?) When he could go no further,
] he flung his furry body down in the dirt and froze. Neighbours
] loved it. After about five minutes and no movement on his part,
] I brought him back into the house, filthy, where he would
] crash out for two hours on the dining room table.
] 
] I figure we're the poster couple for unsuccessful leash
] training.  Any advice?

Since I have 4 cats trained to have a harness on at all
times, and MOSTLY trained to wait for the leash before
going out, I think I qualify (or rather, THEY qualify)
as successes.

I have underlined the part where I think we differed.  I
just put the harness on - no leash - while I was home, and
let them get used to it.  When they ASK to go outside, then
I attach the leash - and they go as far as they can.

I was home during the first 48 hours I had the harnesses
on them - to be sure they fit right, and that the cats 
didnt' come to grief.  Muffin chewed through the cross-piece
on the first one - I've since wrapped the second one in 
adhesive tape, and he runs around with a loose end, but has
not chewed on the harness again.  One I'd put on too loosely
and the lower jaw got caught.  When I was sure they could
be alone without damaging themselves, I just left them on.
Only time I take them off now is when they need urgent
medical care.  They just don't care.  And except for 
Motley, they were 7 and 12 when I started this two years
ago.

Leashes, IMMHO, are to be used after the harness becomes
a part of the scenery and not a novelty.

Diana
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joan C. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: SHRINKING CAT FOOD CANS!
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.155027.26466@data-io.com> brunson@davinci.Data-IO.COM (Kaye Brunson) writes:
>It's happening in alot of products.  My "feminine supplys" used to come in boxes
>of 40, now I buy a box of 32 for the same $.  It's a way of raising prices
>without us noticing.  Isn't capitalism fun?

I KNEW IT!
I KNEW IT!  And here I was standing in the store thinking "I thought
	it was a box of 40?  Must be dreaming again..."  
THANK YOU for returning my sanity!

ObCat:  Angelica's last vet visit showed a weight gain of .4 pounds!
Her first gain in almost a year!  The vet said that even though she
topped out at almost 9 pounds a year ago, he doesn't want to she her
get to over 7.5 now.  Try telling HER that.  
	I found that it WAS the food causing the problems.  Even
though she ate the cozy kitten (at $1.99/3.5#) she wasn't getting
enough.  Now she's on plain old Cat Chow ($3.00/3.5#) supplemented
with Purina O.N.E. ($5.00/3.5#!) and I can hardly pick her up!!
	I am glad she's showing improvment because TA DAA she's
preggers.  No flames please, she was due for surgery but came into
heat and subsequently escaped.  I cannot bring myself to abort her
kittens and have ever intention of keeping all of them if I have to.
I think it's pretty funny that Daniel wouldn't let me adopt another
cat, not even the one from next door that LIVES in our place, but he
is excited at the thought of kittens in the house. I can't wait!  They
are due at the end of next month and Daniel has already started to
clean up the apartment and make it 'kitten proof'.  Now if I can only
get Angelica to cuddle with the blanket I made her, rather than the
one my mom made me!

Joan (just call me grandma!)



-- 
J. C. Maxfield				maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu
DISCLAIMER:  I don't speak for the University, but they often speak for me!
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: What to name a male BLACK kitten...
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:37:57 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov10.053636.4250@fcom.cc.utah.edu> holmbeck@cs.weber.edu (Holmbeck) writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>Well, I've loved reading what you've all thought about male
> white kittens, how about male Black kittens. :)
>
Our black cat is named Orion as in the mythological hunter.  He actually was
named for the constellation because when he was a kitten, he had white ends
to some of the hairs in his fur and it looked like a star field.


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