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From: m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:52:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.170038.29378@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>In article <cfM6OOK00awBQ0vGdp@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Scott Jefferson <ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>>Morbid Angel -
>>	Now you may think these guys are a cool death metal band but I was
>>reading in guitar world magazine that Trey Azogthoth's all time favorite
>>guitarist was Eddie Van Halen and his all time favorite group was Van
>
>
>Are you actually serious about all of these? And anyway, again, who cares if

Isn't it quite obvious he is not serious at all. I had almost as fun 
reading it as with some of Suarons (as he confirmed his name to be spelled) 
postings.

-
Matti K. Varis m38853v@saha.hut.fi Helsinki University Of Technology

Frozen world outside, Made by Foolish pride 
(Armored Saint/Aftermath)
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:29:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Latest TROUBLE is not sellout tho it's much lghter than the earlier stuff!!!


Leonid,
             
              Boston,

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: lucasg@nuge111.its.rpi.edu (Greg E. Lucas)
Subject: Re: Steve Vai: What's his music like?
Reply-To: lucasg@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:08:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.175711.13725@wuecl.wustl.edu>, am5@cec2.wustl.edu (Avik  Mukherjee) writes:
|> I've never heard Steve Vai's music before. What style of music does he
|> incorporate into his songs? Is it anything compared to Yngwie Malmsteen?
|> 

No, Steve Vai sounds like he's actually trying to play a song and not, let's see how fast we can play the guitar, like Yngwie.


|> I'd like to know. 
|> 
|> -Vic
|> 
|> am5@cec1.wustl.edu
|> 
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll.metal:12903 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:5726
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: (REPOST) Best of 1992 Poll
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:45:36 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


	(reposted for better distribution and correct followup)
	
	I haven't seen anyone else do this, so I thought I'd do it. 
MAIL me (please don't post unless absolutely necessary) your Top
Ten Metal Albums of 1992 (in order, preferably).  I'll of course 
summarize and post the results in a week or two ...

-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
From: campoe@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Campo Erik)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: ...
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:29:34 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <00966FBC.660DDD1E@pomona.claremont.edu> cblanc@pomoma.claremont.edu writes:
>
>
>d00dz,
>
>	i don't know about p0zerd0m, but bands like primus and danzig do not
>belong on here.  as for image bands, well, then i think that slayer and
>sepultura and definitely deicide qualify ... this, of course, says nothing
>about the quality of their music.
>	however, i'd like to second the comment about manowar's lyrics.  stuff
>like "wimps and p0zerz leave the hall!1!!" is almost as stupid as this

I totally agree with you 'bout Manowar. Not long ago, I bought their latest
album; not only the lyrics are stupid but the music isn't good and well, I 
don't like the singer's voice (don't flame me 'cos I haven't said that he's
not good). Well, I had to return it and get a refund.

Erik The Viking


-- 
Greetings, my children               And if you have the courage to cross 
Come with me now                     The rainbow bridge
And discover the magic               You may find
That lies beyond the sealed dreams   The Sacred Heart   -R.J.Dio 1985
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: uglykidjoe
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:23:17 GMT

In article <C1J7Jv.KyF@boi.hp.com> thavey@boi.hp.com (Tom Havey) writes:
>Hey rockhards...any of y'all dig Ugly Kid Joe?
>Any of y'all know anything about 'em?
>I think they're hot! I dig their sound and sense
>of humor!
>
Sorry, I don't. They seem to try to sound too much like Patton Faith No More,
and I'm not too crazy about that kind of style. Those guys were immensely
popular on my floor last year, and I still don't know why. The singer's
voice annoys me especially.

I'd put on my asbestos suit pretty quickly, though. I can see some people
drawing their flamethrowers and incendiary missiles...

wei hao


Philip Wei Hao Wang                     E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"I have loved, I have lost, I have killed those who have loved me so. I have 
 learned, but at what cost, Lord, I don't know... I'm living on borrowed time"
                       - Diamond Head, "Living On Borrowed Time"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:35:51 EST
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
 <1993Jan26.192027.10440@news.cs.brandeis.edu>


In article <1993Jan26.223808.14522@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu says:
>
>Just for the record, I did not mention Skid Row, and I think that most of
>their shit sucks.

I see some sign of hope in his salvation here!!!

>As far as Def Leppard goes, I did say that they got old after listening to
>the CD for a few times.

I'd say they got old after listening to any of there cd's once, that is
unless you went insane and killed millions and millions of people, of
which no jury would convict you for!

>As far as Mr. Big goes, most of the songs that they have released is glamor,
>however, they have some really good songs (I think so, at least) that have
>never been released because it would show what kind of band they really are.
>Van Halen, no matter what anyone says, nobody can even try to argue with me.

So what kind of band Mr. Big really is!  (If only Maple were here to clue
me in on these posers some more).  Look Mr. Big are posers no matter what
they have or haven't released cause no METAL band names themselves after
paper towels!!!!!  And who's this Van Halen character your talking to, is
it the band or someone on the net?  And why is it in this paragraph?

>        I will listen to nobody who says that they are bad.

Maybe you'll read about somebody who says they are bad then?  Mr. Big
is so bad they wish they were as talented as a poser band.

>                I think that they are on of the greatest bands around.
>I also wonder what you (Eric M. from Marquette) think about Metallica. I now
>like them because I have never liked music much heavier than hard rock, but
>no I like them because I think that they have become more popularity based
>I think that they sold out to appeal to the non heavy metal/hard rock fans &
>sell CDs.       --      Do you like Metallica now, before, or ever??

Oh! yes!  No wonder why you like Mr. Big!  You can only listen to bands
that make the top 40 countdown.  Hello, I must like what the masses like
so that I may blend in and become another mindless drone of eMpTyV machine.
He is the reason abortion should be made mandatory!!!!!

>
>I remember now.  I remember how it started.  I can't remember yesterday, I
>just remember doing what they told me, told me, told me....
>        Michael Burstin         Brandeis University

--I've planned a plan of rebirth, no bodies at all it seems
Suaron
From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: "Sweet Leaf"
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:29:36 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1993Jan26.164523.21534@news.columbia.edu>, pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>I heard there was to be a cover compilation to be released which concerned
>the legalisation of pot, and one of the songs was to be "Sweet Leaf." But
>I was under the impression the song was about tea, and it was coincidence
>Ozzy happened to be coughing from too much pot right at the beginning but
>for some reason they kept it. Anyone care to explain this? I really have no
>clue about this except what I hear as rumors.
>
>wei hao
>
>
>
>Philip Wei Hao Wang                     E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
>"I have loved, I have lost, I have killed those who have loved me so. I have 
> learned, but at what cost, Lord, I don't know... I'm living on borrowed time"
>                       - Diamond Head, "Living On Borrowed Time"
I've heard Iommi is the one coughing, and I'd be very surprised if the song
wasn't about pot, given the lyrics (I realize you might be kidding about the
tea
interpretation).  Eric M.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: rshvern@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (K-rAd d00D!)
Subject: Re: Here's one for Suaron
Summary: Deicide
Keywords: Deicide Satan Send me money 
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:20:37 GMT

I disagree with Philip Wang saying the vocalist of Deicide was a
questionable poser.  Glenn Benton burned an unside down cross into
his forehead and is looking for a doctor who can screw some metal
symbol into his skull.  The cross was from when he was on an airplane
and "felt too close to God." 

He also claims he will kill himself on his 33rd birthday as some sort of
a ritualistic offering.  While he might have questionable sanity, I
hardly think he is a poser.  This guy is extreme and serious, just
a bit too much for his own good IMO.

RE: Slayer being posers

I don't think any band that uses double bass and scorching solos and
sings about politically incorrect topics(Pro-abortion, Satan, etc) is
really a sell out band.  Only bands that cater to radio and teenage
listeners who know nothing about music and have simple catchy tunes like
old top 40(replaced by lame bands like GNR).  Metallica was once a great
band but then decided to tone it down and slow down their music and
creativity(Remember 12 riff songs, remember 8 minute songs???) for the
sake of a catchy tune and money from the 16 year old crowd so they could
buy houses in Beverly Hills.  I don't see Slayer doing that, but then
again I didn't expect it from Metallica.


k-rAd d00d!
S0 k-rAd tHat I KANT B3lI3ve iT mySelF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:23:55 GMT

In article <C1EI3n.MrI@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>dsembr01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Darren S. Embry) writes:
>
>>Heavy metal, in itself, can be considered a form of classical music, since
>>IT WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!!!!!!!  I believe Danzig will be around for a while.
>
>Classical music is not the same as classic music. Classical music
>is music from a certain time period. Some people lump romantic,
>baroque and a number of other styles and call them classical. The
>Beatles are by your definition classical. I don't think so. Danzig
>is a legend though.
>
>Jed
>

Wow! Metalheads aren't stoopid after all (that was sarcasm people, I AM a
metalhead!).. you know the diff between romantic, baroque, and the
classical style that was prevalent 1750-1820...(i.e., Mozart, Haydn, etc.)

That earlier post was in every sense of the word, true entertainment.. he
couldn't actually be serious posting that (i.e. Eric Scott Jefferson)
because it invalidated itself, which I believe was his purpose (i.e., the
GNR sig).. people need to be more open-minded about musical styles and,
though they may not like other styles, respect those that do and perhaps
you will be mistaken for an.. ADULT???


Now, back to music (a nice change of pace): I am trying to find out about
the band Sonic Violence... have they recorded anything since their
appearance on the "Hard N Heavy" video?

Phil
Editor, Screams of Abel
(the mag Sauron wouldn't read.. if he could)


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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: JOHNSON@zeus.ahabs.wisc.edu (Scott C. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Steve Vai Questions
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:55:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.061640.29625@news.columbia.edu>,
esl10@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ernest S. Lai) wrote:
> 
> >Hey, anyone heard "Flexable Leftovers"?
> 
> Flexable Leftovers was released after the original Flexable and has some
> leftover material from the sessions.  The cd version of Flexable has both the
> original Flexable as well as Leftovers on it.


This is true in part, but there are still 5 songs(I think) from Left-overs
that are not on the Flex-able CD.  Definately find them if you can.


Scott C. Johnson
University of Wisconsin - Madison
JOHNSON@zeus.ahabs.wisc.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:02:00 EST
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Metal vs. Rock

I am sick of people (brain-deficent morons) informing me that METAL is
really ROCK music.  Will you get it through you thick cement encased
skulls that METAL IS NOT ROCK!!!!   METAL IS METAL!!!!  Yes, rock did
have an influence in shaping metal, but once METAL was formed it
became METAL and did not remain rock.

For example when I was forced to the prime material plane and take on
flesh I was born as me, and not my father.  Yes my father had his hand
in shaping me, but I am not my father.

And just because the brain-dead poserific individual who created this
group made it a sub-group of rock-n-roll doesn't mean he knows what
the fuck METAL is!  I'd bet the same idiot who made this newsgroup
also made the same newsgroup which classified g'n'p under METAL!!!

--to see, to bleed, can not be taught, in turn your making us Fuckin' Hostile
Suaron
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: I have an Angel Witch GIF
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:05:52 GMT

I've got a full colour Angel Witch GIF if anyone's interested. It's the cover
art to the live album. I'll send it only by e-mail.

wei hao



Wang Wei Hao                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Where would we be without the ability to let our minds wander? And where could
 we go if our emotions were submerged down under our souls? Their master
 control plan will fail as the young minds prevail in pure genetic wisom."
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: DEF LEPPARD - unplugged.... [UK info]
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:10:41 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Followup-To: On.Through.The.Night
Distribution: uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

Hi! Just heard on Radio 1 (yuk) that Def Leppard will be doing an
acoustic set on R1 this sat (23? Jan) at about 15:00

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Z-Rock wimps out???
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:17:47 GMT

>I think they're leaning more towards an adult-contemporary sound with a rock 
>feel, which is why they're playing stuff like Journey, Asia, BTO, and rock 
>instead of metal.

I guess they do what they've got to do to attract advertising.

>There's no good metal stations anymore (at least not in the New York area).

Does that mean that there's a Z-rock station there?  What's the freq?  I
might be able to get it here if I knew where to look.

I've been listening to Seton Hall's station, which I think is 92.3.  I
imagine that the NYC area could probably get it.
-- 

======================================================================8--<
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JonaX)
Subject: NEW GNR VIDEO....GREAT!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:32:23 GMT


So much for all the epic type bullshit...Lost in the Garden of Eden...
now that's a kick ass hilarious (sp) video...check it out....
From: pgibb@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul Gibb TBS92)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Iron Maiden info?
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:26:10 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1993Jan25.192911.6932@newstand.syr.edu> ejrasiel@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
>Also, here a few assorted comments to spark discussion:
>Iron Maiden sound better live, it is true, yet Dickinson cannot hit the
>high notes.  On LAD it get silly at the end of Flight of Icarus when he
>doesn't even try; he just emits this goofy screaming laugh.  Could he
>ever hit those notes?  Are there any live recordings which feature him 
>singing the song right?  

I have a bootleg of one of the Hammersmith concerts on the World Piece Tour and he sings it brilliantly.  His voice also sounded better at Donnington this year.

>Is Weekend Warrior about role playing games?  It would seem so.

Its about soccer hooligans.

>There are two Iron Maiden songs about The Prisoner.  Does anyone know 
>why these songs (The Prisoner and Back in the Village) both have enough
>references to make them undoubtedly about the show, yet the rest of the 
>lyrics make no sense. (there's a fox among the chickens?  On the run, hunt
>to eat?  the truce is black and burned?)  I can't figure this out.

Does it matter, they are both brilliant. 

>Is Killers a concept album?

I don't know but I don't like it, Dickinson sings the songs better live. 

Paul

"You don't get a say, the majority gets its way
 You're outnumbered by the b**stards till the day you die"

Fear is the Key.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: Darren Embry <dsembr01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: Tipper Gore
Originator: dsembr01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:10:18 GMT
Reply-To: dsembr01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
Organization: University of Louisville, Speed Scientific School

In <C1Hvxu.3CK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v095qhyg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DINO ORFANOS) writes:

>    This is basically old news for about 8 years or so.  Tipper Gore headed
> the PMRC which campaign for the use of warning stickers on any album (she
> was concy.  I also believe she tried for to start other means of censoring
> music.

As far as I know, I don't believe that the PMRC is involved in any way with
the censorship (i.e. changing cusswords to non-cusswords) of music.  The
PMRC wasn't involved, as far as I know, with the second version of 2 Live
Crew's album (yes I know 2LC is not metal, but I couldn't think of any other
examples).  The PMRC isn't *directly* involved with legislation banning the
sale of such records (including said record) to people under 18.  All the
PMRC did was promote record-labeling so that parents would know what their
*YOUNGER* (i.e. not old enough to make decisions for themselves) to listen
to.  

I have no objection to preventing *extremely* *vulnerable* *impressionable*
*gullible* young minds from listening to *some* of the music.  I, however,
feel that when kids can make decisions for themselves, they should be able
to listen to whatever the hell they want.

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\____/  know what to do.  This sentence is the implied disclaimer.  You know
        where to direct flames.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: phil@news.ccutah.edu (Phillip Neiswanger)
Subject: And on a related note...
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:52:26 GMT

Out of the same mag(see Steve Via post) a review of Living Colour's new
album.  Pretty amazing really, since this mag is always 3 to 6 months
behind on its reviews of new releases.  The album is called "stain".  The
review begins with "Living Colour's third album, "Stain", is the band's
most difficult and dangerout yet." and ends with "It's not easy-listening,
but it's a cutting edge rock challenge worth taking."

Songs include:
        Ignorance is Bliss
        Leave It Alone
        Bi
        Postman
        Go Away
        Auslander
        Mind Your Own Business
        WTFF
        Hemp
        The War Between Us Must Stop
Hopefull more...

The review states that the band has a heavier sound and Vernon's sound
is "louder, meaner and more distorted", his playing "righteously angry,
tonally grating and absolutely riveting".  The album cover has a picture
of a black woman and she's got a cage over her head like what you might
see in a book covering the history of slavery.

Vernon also talks about various songs in the "in the listening room"
section of the mag.

All you Living Colour fans...  MAN YOUR WALLETS!
--
Phil
From: trooper@hale.cts.com (Glen)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: re: NEW GNR VIDEO....GREAT!!!
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:02:58 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications Inc.

Thomas James Waltz <tw26+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> >So much for all the epic type bullshit...Lost in the Garden of Eden...
> >now that's a kick ass hilarious (sp) video...check it out....
> 
>        Funny (and perhaps stupid) is the only good thing one can say
> about the newest video from everyone's favorite faggots, Puds and Posers.
>              
>                                     Tom
> 

I saw the last half of  the video yesterday, when I first saw
it I thought it was a joke, someone making fun of guns n faggots
but when I saw the end credit I just shook my head and turned
the channel


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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: "Sweet Leaf"
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:45:23 GMT

I heard there was to be a cover compilation to be released which concerned
the legalisation of pot, and one of the songs was to be "Sweet Leaf." But
I was under the impression the song was about tea, and it was coincidence
Ozzy happened to be coughing from too much pot right at the beginning but
for some reason they kept it. Anyone care to explain this? I really have no
clue about this except what I hear as rumors.

wei hao



Philip Wei Hao Wang                     E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"I have loved, I have lost, I have killed those who have loved me so. I have 
 learned, but at what cost, Lord, I don't know... I'm living on borrowed time"
                       - Diamond Head, "Living On Borrowed Time"