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From: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: ohio northern ulty
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:38:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen)
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hiya!  i just wanted to say that i've got some players and some fields.
is anyone willing to come to ohio northern?  i may be able to organize
a few road trips this fall.  by the way, we aren't that good.

also, i would like to get some ultimate video.  how fast could i get some-
thing & what's the $, length, quality, & where do i call or write??

actually, we've never lost a game.  but then we've never played a game.

-- 
Marc "elvis" Queen
*4th yr Pharmacy student at Ohio Northern*
*Founder of ONU Ultimate Frisbee*
115 1/2 S Main St, Ada, OH 45810
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From: Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu (Adam I. Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Injury Subbing
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:27:02 EDT
Organization: Brownian Motion Ultimate Frisbee
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In article <18h9ldINNdl9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Chris Lehmann) said:
>Question: What happens if a player is injured & takes a sub, and then later
>in the same point someone else gets injured and takes a sub? Should the
>players who was injured earlier be able to reenter the game at this
>point?

YES.
While you are probably right that this is not directly in the rules,
I think that it falls into the SOTG.  This sentance below almost
covers it:
    Highly
    competitive play is encouraged, but never at the expense of  the  bond
    of mutual respect between players, adherence to the agreed upon  rules
    of the game, or the basic joy of  play.

"The basic joy of play" includes the safety and well-being of all players.
I would hate to see someone take the risk of continuing to play in a point
while injured.  I would rather see a possibly, or temporarily injured
player take a seat then I would like to see someone who is not sure
if they are injured remain on the field and injure themselves further.
There are many injuries (massive bleeding, getting the "wind" knocked
out of you, etc.) that prevent a player from playing for a short while.
There is no reason that a player suffering from a short-term condition
should not be allowed back onto the field of play.

--adam
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Adam Lowe,  Minister of Agriculture
  Brownian Motion Ultimate Frisbee
  Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu  (Internet),   ST201691@BROWNVM  (BitNet)
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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: standing over the disc
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:01:11 GMT

In <daemon.92Sep15101125@is.morgan.com> Raphael_Savir.LOTUS@CRD.lotus.com writes:

>i think we should decide on what we are trying to achieve, and whether it is 
>realistic.  If not, leave it.  This rule seems sorta weird.... what does 
>"standing over the disc" really mean?   If i crawl up to the disc (so to 
> speak) 
>i would say that this DOES constitute "standing over the disc."  If i pick it 
>up 2 feet out of bounds and stand there, i say that this also is "standing 
>over 
>the disc."  But, if these are not covered by the rule, then we've done 
>nothing 
>at all, it seems.

Well, short of having refs, that problem isn't really resolvable.  I'm
happy with the rule, myself, and if someone knelt or sat on the disc, I'm
sorry, but I'm going to call "delay" and they better not argue. :-)


>check to accomplish this, but only in certain cases.  In others, we allow 
>this 
>weird quasi-travel.  And, to be honest, it is not good ultimate.  Usually, 
>the 
>lines are poorly defined, and the marker cannot point to an exact spot where 
>the thrower has to go to before throwing.  There should always be a check or 
>a 
>ground check.
>Seems like a comprehensive rule concerning putting a disc into play might 
>help, 
>if we could figure a good one out.

I completely agree.  The rule wouldn't have to be complicated.  Most of the
games around here, there is a de facto check when the thrower walks to the
line - almost everyone holds the disc out for the defender to touch before
the throw.  A check, or a ground check if no defender is within three meters,
would be a good rule.

-- 
ben                                     fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

"A tight bunch of bastards who want to win while loving each other"
- Dave Hasbrook, about the Indiana Ultimate team
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Injury Subbing
Date: 8 Sep 1992 04:19:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



Question: What happens if a player is injured & takes a sub, and then later
in the same point someone else gets injured and takes a sub? Should the
players who was injured earlier be able to reenter the game at this
point. To my knowledge there is no mention of this situation in the rules?
Comments?

					Chris
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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: types of cleats
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:10:19 GMT

In <jim.ottaviani-150992145925@mezzmac160.engin.umich.edu.> jim.ottaviani@um.cc.umich.edu (Jim Ottaviani) writes:

>A related question: What features in a cleat would you like to see? A
>friend and I are working on designing the ultimate (tm?) cleat, and would
>like to know what you like, don't like, and wish for in footware for
>ultimate. Thanks
>in advance.

It depends a lot on the surface you play on.  The Midwest tends to have
topsoil over clay, and I'm quite happy with my sharks.  For mud, you'd
want something different.  The sandy earth on the coasts probably would
require something else again.

-- 
ben                                     fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

"A tight bunch of bastards who want to win while loving each other"
- Dave Hasbrook, about the Indiana Ultimate team
From: jknowlton@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Ultimate in New Zealand?
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:34:55 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hi Disk-Netters!

I've recently moved to Hamilton, New Zealand, and I'm looking for
fellow Ultimate players.  If you know of a team here, please let
me know by replying to my account.

Jeff Knowlton
07-856-2889 ext 8724
jknowlton@waikato.ac.nz
From: dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Purple Valley
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:47:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep13.214702.15567
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Please send me infromation on the Purple Valley tournament as well.

Dave Nolan

dsn@io.harvard.edu
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 19:03:34 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Distribution: world
Subject: fall 92 M.A. tourney update

Many people have asked about tourneys.  Here is an updated list.

There are a couple of additions and changes from the list I posted about
a week and a half ago.

If there are any others, and you want them included in this
list, please e-mail me at 70540.1522@compuserve.com

Thanks,

Eric Simon

==================================================================

August 29-30 - Southern NJ; Mike Adlis; 609-692-0379

Sept 12-13 - Cape Henlopen - A.J. - 703-528-3819 
Sept 19 - "Snowball Classic", Rutgers NJ; Jeff DiMassi; 908-246-9308
Sept 19 - Penn State, Janson, 814-862-5104
Setp 19-20 - North Jersey, Eric Helmstetter, 201-680-1171
Sept 19-20 - Fall Fling, Wilmington, NC; 16M, 8W; Nick Myers; 919-
     392-6198
Sept 26-27 - I-95 Invitational - Eric Wenck 410-788-9689 (men's
     slots already filled)
Sept 26-27 - 2d Annual Green Eggs and Ham, Buffalo, NY - Aaron Crandall; 
     716-663-6835; UPA Sanctioned

Oct 3-4 - Penn State, 20M & 10W teams; Billy Hodges; 814-862-1282
Oct 10-11 - UPA Sectionals
Oct 24-25 - UPA Division I Regionals; Division II Regionals
Oct 31 - Halloween Hat tourney; Columbia Md., Barry Lloyd, 301-490-1860

Nov 12-15 - UPA Nationals; San Diego
Nov 21-22 - Ultimax, Greenville, NC; Bill Romberger; 919-830-6710


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From: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu (Emil Ochotta)
Subject: Tourny info in Central/Mid-Atlantic Area
Originator: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu
Reply-To: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu (Emil Ochotta)
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:32:02 GMT


I found the info I had requested regarding a Penn State Tournament
Sept. 19th, thanks to all who responded.

So you don't have to make all the calls I did, here is a summary of
all the September tournament info I know of for the "middle east"
(area within 600 miles of Pittsburgh).  Please let me know if you have
anything to add to this list.

-- Emil, Pittsburgh Ultimate (was Arm & Hammer)

Sept 12.	Toledo, OH, "Sectionals Psyche-Up"
		One Day Club Event, 10AM-Dark, No entry fee
		Call: Osh (313) 854-7904
		
		Cape Henlopen, DE,
		Call: A.J. (703) 528-3819

Sept 19.	Penn State, PA, 
		One Day College Event (Tentative)
		Call: Janson, (814) 862-5104 if interested

		Ann Arbor, MI
		One Day Club (Tentative)
		Call: Billy Brady, if interested,
		(sorry I don't have his number here, he's Cinci's captain)

		Rutgers, NJ, "Snowball Classic"
		Call: Jeff DiMassi, (908) 246-9308

		Wilmington, NC, "Fall Fling"
		Call: Nick Meyers (919) 392 6198

Sept 26.	Buffalo, NY, "Green Eggs & Ham"
		20 open (Div I, II), 8-10 womens
		UPA Sanctioned event, $100 deposit, $20 refundable
		Call: Aaron Crandell (716) 645-4654

		Philly, PA, Co-ed Hat Tourny, 
		Call: Laura Delong (215) 387-4721

		I-95 Invitational
		Call: Eric Wenck (410) 788-9689

Oct 3.		Penn State, PA
		Club Tourny, 20 Open + 10 Women's
		Entry Fee $50 club, $40 college
		Call: Billy Hodges (814) 862-1282
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:26:13 -0400 
From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid <am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: current rules
	<1992Sep13.214702.15567@husc3.harvard.edu>

Could anyone post a copy of the current UPA rules please the last
version I have seen was the ninth and I'm shure there have been a few
revisions since then.

(if you want you can just send me a copy.)
						_-A. McDiarmid
From: dgalvin@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dan Galvin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: REQUEST info DISC GOLF in Orlando, Fl
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:39:02 EST
Organization: University of Toledo / Recreation

Since this has proven a very successful medium in the past,
once again I will post a query into experience while I travel
I am interested in input about DISC GOLF courses in
the Orlando area, or anywhere around there, to Daytona.
I will be in other places in the state, but I will be a week
at Disney World, and want to take a day to play DISC GOLF>
Any recommendations, secrets, or course info is appreciated
PDGA# 5367-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Galvin ==========> DGALVIN@uoft02.utoledo.edu
University of Toledo <==> Office of Recreation
RCR0003@uoft01.bitnet / as427@Cleveland.Freenet.edu / 
===========================================================
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From: mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Subject: Re: Disc Golf Catalogs?
Keywords: disc golf
Reply-To: mueller@schaefer.UUCP (Carl Douglas Mueller)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.192851.2601@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Paul Wood ) writes:
>Does anyone have information on disc golf disc companies from which I 
>can mail order discs?
>
I'm a satisfied customer of:

       Discovering the World
       P.O. Box 911
       La Mirada, CA 90637

And I've got the address of (but know nothing about):

       The Wright Life
       200 Linden
       Fort Collins, CO 80524

I am not associated with either of these companies.  I know that 
Discovering the World has a pretty complete selection of Golf Discs.
I'm not sure what kind of discs The Wright Life sells.

>                       -=( Paul Wood )=-
>              -=( pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu )=-

Carl Mueller (mueller@math.wisc.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: scraig@elipse.mentorg.com (Stuart Craig)
Subject: Vancouver, BC tournament
Originator: scraig@elipse
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:39:33 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: Vancouver, BC tournament
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc


I just talked to Diane Pagel -- she confused the date for the Horizontal or
Bust tournament with the date for sectionals.  Horizontal or Bust is actually
this weekend (Sept. 12th and 13th), not Sept. 25th and 26th as she previously
posted.  She apologizes for the mistake.

See you there!

Stu
From: dep1700@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Diane Pagel)
Subject: Horizontal or Bust Tournament
Keywords: Vancouver, BC
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:55:06 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

This is a fun Coed Tournament with one of the best bands/party that
I have been to in a long time. Just my $.02 worth.

"HORIZONTAL OR BUST TOURNAMENT"
VANCOUVER, B.C.

General contact:
Mike Kaweski
(604)-228-8967
Adam Berson
(604)-732-9915

Date: Sept 26, 27th  <-- Actually Sept 12th and 13th
Place: Hillcrest Park
Players and Capt'n meeting at Frisbee Central at Hillcrest Park
is highly recommended at 10:00 as there are TWO different fields,
so you want to be at the APPROPRIATE field when you game starts.

Entry fee: $100-125 Canadian.
Showers will be available.

Call Mike Kaweski for billeting.
The party is still being worked.
FORMAT: 5 of one gender and 2 of the other gender on the field.

I'll be there !!!

"Pagan"

-- 
Commander: Fire HEAT!                                              Stuart Craig
Gunner: Sabot up!                                      stuart_craig@mentorg.com
Commander: Fire Sabot, load HEAT!            ...!uunet!mentorg.com!stuart_craig
From: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu (Emil Ochotta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Team Name Info Needed
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:58:31 GMT
Reply-To: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu (Emil Ochotta)
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu


Has anyone ever heard of a team called "Moby Disc" (past or present)?

Thanks,
Emil
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From: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu (Emil Ochotta)
Subject: Penn State Tourny -- info needed
Originator: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu
Reply-To: emil@porsche.ece.cmu.edu (Emil Ochotta)
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:04:33 GMT


Rumor has it that Penn State is planning a one-day tournament on Sept. 19th.

Unfortunately, the guy who called and left that message also left an
incorrect phone number.  His name was something like "Janson".

Can anyone point me to him or to someone who'd know something about
this event?

Thanks,
Emil
From: ST101063@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Andrew)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Chowdahfest - Date correction
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:49:28 GMT

To anyone interest in attending the 2nd Annual Chowdahfest:

David Toohey, head honcho of the Chowdahs informed me that
the NE Region captain's info from Steve Goodfriend has an
incorrect date for the Chowdahfest.  It will be held the weekend of
October 3-4, not Halloween weekend as I believe is listed.  If you
call, Dave will give you all the correct info.

Andrew Shelden
Prime Minister, Brownian Motion
Andrew_Shelden@Brown.edu
From: dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Cuervo tournament a great success
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:36:09 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Beside the silliness of the two point line, especially in the men's final,
I have one other complaint about the Cuervo tournament.  An excessively
long time was taken between points and time-outs by all teams.  This was
especially noticeable during the two finals.  If the game is timed, players
are cheating the fans and themselves out of good ultimate by standing
around.  If you are going to have timed games, then I believe you must
keep track of time during timeouts (2 minutes, remember?) and the time
between points (3 or 4 minutes?).  Another problem with time-outs is that
the clock keeps running.  In other sports, the time-out may be used as 
a 'defense' against the clock; in this format it can be used as a 'weapon'
to exploit the clock.  

Of course, one solution could be to reduce the total time played, but 
stop the clock between pints and during time-outs.

Dave Nolan
From: rjs@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: A Sideline Play at Worlds: I was RIGHT there
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:10:35 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

Team USA and Team CANADA were evenly matched in the open 
division, splitting two games that went into time cap at 17-16 
and 17-15, so every play was crucial. The play I will describe 
took place in the second game: A USA pass was heading toward 
the sideline and Mike Tower, on the receiving end, did what he 
could to toe the line and stretch it out. He toppled over a female 
spectator as the disc arrived (landing nearly at my feet), and the 
controversy was born. Mike got up slowly, indicating with 
outstretched arms that something was not fair, that he had a 
chance at catching the disc.

The call was contested, naturally. It was more out than in. "Nob" 
from USA came over. "Jet Boy" from CANADA came over. The 
observers came over. A "He could have..." was perhaps heard. A 
"No way!" was perhaps heard. Tower reiterated his tenuous 
appeal that there might have been a play.  Finally, Nob asked if 
they (CANADA) agreed to consult the observers; then he put the 
question to the observers, asking them whether they thought he 
had a play on the disc if there had been no interference. They 
said yes, and as the disc was being thrown back one, Nob 
informed everyone that once the observers had been consulted, 
the disc did not go back to the thrower, but was taken at the 
sideline.

This is where I dispute the rule if the disc was in fact supposed 
to be played from the spot where the catch attempt was made. 
Because when Tower got the disc I realized that the ruling by 
the observers was in effect saying that he WOULD HAVE caught 
the disc had there been no interference. Did he "have a play" on 
the disc? I thought he "had a chance" but is "having a chance at 
making a play on the disc" the same as "having a play on the 
disc"? What exactly does a "play on the disc" mean then?

I did happen to be standing RIGHT there, and I thought that 
Tower might have been able to hang in the air after diving out of 
bounds, catch the disc and chucke it over his head back onto the 
playing field proper. NOT! Still, considering that he was 
physically endangered by the attempt at a play on the disc, I felt 
that it was in the spirit of the game, IF TOWER INSISTED, to 
return the disc to the thrower. But not go so far as to give him 
the disc RIGHT there.

CANADA won the game, BTW, just to go into the finals ragged 
out and get run off the field by SWEDEN, 17-7 or something like 
that.  I apologize for any factual inaccuracies in this story, but 
my intention was to get a discussion going on the effect of this 
particular instance of "observer consultation" and to get other 
opinions on what is meant by a "play on the disc".

Rich, Japan Masters

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From: ziskin@climate.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Daniel C. Ziskin)
Subject: John Capozzi
Organization: Climate and Radiation Branch
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:21:14 GMT

Speaking of John Capozzi...He is running for the office
US (Shadow) Representative of DC.  Although I doubt this
is the forum to discuss his qualifications to govern, (IMHO) he
is a good frisbee player.  I am just posting to remind DC
voters/ultimate players that TODAY (Sept. 15) is the primary
election where you would have an opportunity to vote for him.

"And if elected, I promise more field space and lit fields and
free team shirts and a military-style parade at each tournement 
and we will begin construction on the mall of a National Ultimate
Frisbee Monument..."
                   -erroneously attributed to J.C. by Oyster


-- 
Daniel "OYSTER"  Ziskin             | 'Now you stand there expecting me to
(w)  301-286-9136  (h) 301-422-8619 |  remember something you forgot to say...'
ziskin@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov        |     -- Dylan
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Purple Valley
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:52:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Is there going to be a Purple Valley Classic this year on Sept. 26-27?
I've heard that there is one, but I have seen no information on it.
Please someone e-mail me, or post a response. The U. Penn team wants to
go but our contact at Williams has not sent us any information. (Erin
are you listening?) Thanks.

					Chris
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