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From: okastl@ebmuc (Oliver Kastl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: AmigaBASIC and AmigaOS 2 willitwork?
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:45:08 GMT
Reply-To: okastl@ebmuc
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Organization: Elaborate Bytes

In article <1992Apr13.094640.6472@public.sub.org>, Peter Kittel writes:

> 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>
> >	Hello!  I have been thinking of upgrading to AmigaOS 2.0.  But, I heard
> >that my AmigaBASIC programs might not work.
>
> Not that bad. If you have at least 2.04 (2.03 and older give you *real*
> problems), then you can use AmigaBasic, as long as you do a
> run nofastmem
> before (and after to regain it).
>
Sorry, Peter, this isn't 100% correct. You only need NOFASTMEM on an A3000
or a similar setup with fast-memory outside the 24-Bit Address range.
AmigaBasic works fine with 24-Bit Addressing under 2.04
(Well, fine... it runs just as bad as before...)

> Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to  \\  Only my personal opinions...
> Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk

Have fun,
           Oliver


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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Have you ported GNU etags?
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:39:21 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst


	Has anyone done a port of GNU etags?  If so, please let me know,
since I might do it myself.

	The program compiles and runs fine with no changes (Manx 5.2a),
but some of the features of the command-line options need to be modified.

                                                        Dan

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From: dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: window border pens
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:32:05 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook


	I want my custom screen and windows tagged to that screen to appear
similar to the Workbench 2.0 windows. I wrote a routine that draws the
borders the exact same way, in the 2.0 style, but isn't there any easier
way? I have the 2.0 RKMs. 



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From: Thomas_Spuhler@augs2.UUCP (Thomas Spuhler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Turbo Pascal
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:45:37 GMT
Organization: Amiga Usergroup Switzerland

Does anybody know a Turbo Pascal Compiler for Amiga (PD or what ever)???

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From: stacysm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Stacy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: AmigaBasic Compiler
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:48:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Has there been any updates for Cursor ?  Are there any other Amiga
Basic Compiler which supports more commands ?

thanks 

Steve Stacy

stacysm@sage.cc.purdue.edu

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From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: MOD File format
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:13:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Paul_Trauth.0bsu
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Sat 11 Apr 92 04:28, Charlie_hutchins@mindlink.bc.ca (ch
wrote:
 C> Could anyone possibly tell me the .MOD music file format?
Find Protracker; the *full* archive not just the program file. The full
archive comes with the program, a sample config file, the online docs file,
and a few doc files, including a description of the module format. It also
comes with player source code, although i suspect this may be useless to
you, as you called it the ".MOD" format... it's saved out of trackers as
"mod.modulename". (grin)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: danb@gaff.physci.psu.edu (Dan Babcock)
Subject: Re: Need help - Simple use of blitter with assembly
Organization: Penn State University, Physical Sciences
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.151828.8463@cs.umu.se> dvljrt@cs.umu.se (Joakim Rosqvist) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.214149.17466@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> rjw@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Robert Wilson) writes:
>>
>About writing to DFF-regs:
>They are all write-only or read-only, so don't use CLR, OR or AND on them.
>(On 68020+ it's ok to use clr)
>
>>      clr.w	bltamod(a1)	 ; no bytes skipped in copying source
>>      clr.w	bltcon1(a1)	 ; no special modes
>
>No clr's please.

Using CLR on a 68000/68010 isn't really a big deal, in this case. It wil:
1. Write a random value into the register.
2. Write zero into the register.

This wastes time, but saves a register. However, you shouldn't use it on other registers such as DSKLEN where it can have side effects.
If you know all this already, please forgive this posting. :-) :-)

Dan
From: charon@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Usings stack is asm with an Amiga (030 probs) PLEASE HELP.
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:15:49 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX


    Ok, I tryed to do my last program on my A3000 2.04 and was forced to do
it on the Mac because I was  having problems using the stack.  We were forced
to emulate the Enter function of the Intel which really sorta threw me.
But, using Link and being normal,

HERE IS THE QUESTION (for the scimmers):

Problem:

* using procedure and functions in assembly language (68000 only)
* programming with 68k on my A3000
* passing all paramaters for the function/procedure on the stack, how?

* passing parameters for functions, you must reserve a spot on the stack for
  the return value and then access that return value after the function is
  done.  how?

* How do you do this with recursive functions?

* I heard something about some "offset word" on the 030 that could be screwing
  with where I think my things are on the stack.

THE EXAMPLE I NEED:
  How about a main that calls a procedure, passing a string on the stack,
  and the procedure just load this string into a0, give the procedure some
  local on the stack too, and use that.  That should cover parameter passing.
  
  Then the main calls a function that does the same thing as the above.  but
  return the value of one of the locals to the main via that "reserved space".
  That would explain return values for functions.

  A function like the above that is recursive.  That would exaplin using the
  reserved space recursively.


ALL HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.  A quick example program would be great.
Or a program that does this with *severe* comenting would also be nice.

Thanks alot, in advance.

Ciao...

 
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From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: tab cycling
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:20:33 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization


Could somebody please clue me in about how to make 2.0 string gadgets cycle
between themselves with the Tab key?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: hardie@herald.usask.ca (Peter Hardie)
Subject: Manx 5.2d + gmtime() DST problem?
Originator: hardie@herald.usask.ca
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:40:18 GMT


My local timezone is CST year-round so I don't have to worry about daylight
savings time. But when writing a program that needs to convert to/from
UTC to local time, the program should work in other timezones that use DST
if it is going to be distributed. So I tried using Manx gmtime() call and
if I set the TZ environment variable to CST6 then it correctly converts
my local time to UTC. But the manual implies that setting TZ to something
like CST6MDT will make the gmtime call use daylight savings when appropriate.
But I tried it and it doesn't. It still only adds 6 hours. I also tried
forcing the tm_dst (or whatever name it has) in the structure to a 1 to
indicate DST for sure, and then called gmtime and it still doesn't do the
conversion.
Anybody on DST using gmtime and getting the right answer? How?
P.S. if you live in Newfoundland have you figured out how to tell it you
are 3.5 hours behind UTC? :-)
(if it matters, I'm still using V1.3 on an A3000 - gotta switch to V2.04
someday).
From: magus@daimi.aau.dk (Brian Bek Jensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: >MSH heeeelp
Keywords: MSH
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:10:06 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark


 Hi again. I can now use my MSH; I found out that I missed
the keyword 'RESERVED = 0' in my mountlist and 'L:', 'devs:'
with 'FileSystem' and 'Device'. Thanks to the e-mailers who
gave me all the tricks to make MSH work. I hope somebody can
use these tricks (remember to cd MS1:)!!!!!
   Thanks to everybody
                           magus@daimi.aau.dk
From: gerber@sirius.astro.uiuc.edu (Richard A. Gerber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Ethernet & Amiga: Info Wanted
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:05:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <30234@cbmvax.commodore.com> dlarson@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dale Larson - Amiga Networking) writes:

>I doubt it's possible to add much of anything to your system without degrading
>performance *at all*.  But if you aren't using the network, performance
>degradation is negligable.  If you will be using the network heavily and are
>worried about performance, I would suggest that you consider upgrading your CPU.

Nonetheless, the AS225/A2065 combo is quite useable with a 7 MHz 68000 and
1.3. The only thing I can recall being incredibly slow was Workbench operation
(copying files by dragging icons around and such) on an NFS partition
mounted on a Sun 3. (But what do you expect with such a setup?) 

AS225/A2065 under 2.04 and with a 22 MHz 68030 is a wonderful thing to 
have.

Regards,

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From: Reid_Bishop@a68k.denver.CO.US (Reid Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HELP!  Zmodem/SupraFax
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:09:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: a68k.Reid_Bishop.0alm
Organization: The Arvada 68K BBS- Westminster, CO

In a message dated Wed 15 Apr 92 19:16, Jmarin@messi.uku.fi (jukka Marin)
wrote:

 JM> Well, to quote my own posting:
 JM> # My brother installed a V.32 V.42bis modem to his A2000 system
 JM>                          ====
 JM> So, the connection _was_ V.32 for which 1100cps is quite normal.  If
 JM> both modems were V.32bis we would've gotten something like 1600 cps
 JM> or more.

My apologies.  I was staring at the later modem, as well as a statement
that you had locked the DTE rate at 57.6 kbps.

The point I was trying to make (admittedly not very eloquently) is that
1100 cps is not a real good indicator of a machine's ability to keep up
with a true, constant 57.6 kpbs.  Matter of fact, it really doesn't even
speak well for a 19.2 kpbs DTE.  To really test how a machine performs at
38.4 kbps and above, one should have a full v.32bis connect with another
machine and try sending raw text for an extended period of time.  This will
surely speak for your particular configuration more truthfully.


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Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 23:32:33 EDT
From: <AD6QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Supra V32 Bis

     I would like to hear from anyone who has one of Supra's new modems and
has it hooked up to an Amiga. I have one on order should be here soon but I
would like to know what transfer rates can be achieved with a stock 2000 and
the Supra 14.4k bis FaxModem. Any comments on the modem and its speeds would
be useful. Thanks.



                                           Alex Jeannopoulos
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From: dwh@vaxeline.ftp.com (David W. Hamaker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: New modem transfer protocol (bored weenies only)
Keywords: TransQ Tmodem protocol modem XPR transfer
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:30:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxeline.1992Apr9.233013.19318
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA

(This is a reposting of article <1992Apr4.030856.26969@vaxeline.ftp.com>
originally posted Apr 4; there were posting problems here.)

In article <3868@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au> markd@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Delany) writes:
.
.
.
>Perhaps... but on another front, it's struck me that an async protocol
>that hasn't had the same degree of focus is that which deduces line
>characteristics. If you like, a couple of progs that auto-baud detect,
>auto-parity detect, auto-flowcontrol detect, etc.
.
.
.

You might like to know that my protocol design uses this kind of technique
to auto-configure for 7- or 8-bit transparency.

-Dave Hamaker
 cfcl!dwh@apple.com
 dwh@ftp.com
From: HAMILTON@daq.semi.harris.com (Fred Hamilton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Jrcomm can you add
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:09:31 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Data Acquisition Products, Santa Clara CA
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Apr14.193052.16585@CS.ORST.EDU> mohrc@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU writes:

> Jack is it possible that you can make Download and Capture paths different
> in your new version? quite alot i want to capture some stuff to ram and then
> later download a file or two but insead of going to my tmp dir on the hd is
> goes to ram since i was using ram to put my capture at.

I second this suggestion.

While we're wish-listing, how about an "auto-disconnect" option if JRComm
senses that the user hasn't transmitted or received anything for X minutes...

-Fred
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: Ethernet & Amiga: Info Wanted
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:46:04 GMT

I am looking for information about hooking up an A2000 (unaccelerated as of
now) to an Ethernet.  I have a few questions, as I am completely clueless on
the issue.

(1) What ethernet boards are available for the A2000?  How much do they cost?
Are they 2.04 compatible?  What '030 (etc.) accelerators are compatible with
them?  How much do such beasties cost?

(2) Do the aforementioned Ethernet boards come with the software necessary to
mount foreign disks on my Amiga?  What I want to do is directly read the disks
of a Sun workstation on the Ethernet with the Amiga.  If the software doesn't
come, how much will it go for?

(3) Can this ethernet connection be used to run a terminal emulation on a Sun
on the ethernet?  (My terminal-of-choice is VLT.  Right now, I run with a null
modem connection between my serial port and a Sun's terminal port.)

(4) Will the presence of an Ethernet board and/or foreign mounted disks
degrade the performance of my system at all?  I am likely to be running under
just an unaccelerated 7.14 MHz A2000, with 4 Meg of fast RAM and 1 Meg of Chip
RAM.


Thanks for any help anyone can provide....

-Rob Knop
rknop@tybalt.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rockwell@socrates.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller-Rockwell)
Subject: Re: "64 Mentality" vs "PC/Corp Mentality"
Organization: Traveller
	<1992Apr10.044318.880@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> <2819@faatcrl.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:18:11 GMT

Jack Radigan:
   I actually have more respect for the common car thief or any other
   criminal- type that takes the risk of getting caught during the act
   of taking something.

I don't.  Not by a long shot.

   It's also amazing how someone would never think of walking into an
   Egghead or similar store to physically steal a program yet doesn't
   even blink when copying the same damn thing from someone else.
   Better yet, the ultimate rationalization, spliting the cost of the
   program amongst two or more people, yeah, that's a real cute one.

You don't see the difference?  You'd prefer that the person who
obtains the software destroy the owner's access?  That sounds...
what's the word... "spiteful" is about as close as I can come.

Personally, I refuse to use software where the author doesn't want me
to use it -- not on the grounds that it's thievery, but on the grounds
that I refuse to do these people a service.

In my opinion, the time and effort I spend in learning to use a piece
of software is a positive thing.  And, if I like the software and tell
my friends, coworkers, acquaintances, etc. about it, that is also a
positive thing.  I don't care to do this sort of thing for people who
are opposed to my efforts.

When I'm using a piece of software, I'm happy to propagate information
on how to contact the author, how to buy an up-to-date copy, how to
get configuration help or how to get other services.  But I'm sure not
going to put effort into learning a piece of software if, after I
would learn it, I wouldn't be allowed to use it for anything
significant.

There's just too much freely available software out there to waste
much time on obligatory payment stuff.  I pay for something when I
need it urgently, and I don't have time to write it myself, and I
can't find anything adequate that's cheaper.  Or when I really like
the way a piece of software works, and I decide it's worth while to
send in for the most up-to-date version.

Copying and stealing are opposites -- one is constructive, the other
destructive.  At least, that's what I think.

-- 
Raul Deluth Miller-Rockwell                   <rockwell@socrates.umd.edu>
From: gfm@ccs.northeastern.edu (george f mcbay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: How to books
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:01:08 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <tony.703295966@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>This is ridiculous.  Case in point:  I just recently purchased Lattice C
>version 5.0.  Obviously I got manuals.  I really don't know that much C.
>I'd be totally helpless to teach myself C from the Lattice documentation.
[deletions]
>Look at this from other people's perspective.

	This isn't exactly what they are talking about.  Instead of buying
books about C, which are much better than trying to figure out the language
using syntax diagrams in manuals, imagine buying a book that just told you 
what the Lattice manuals did -- how to use LATTICE, what command options do,
how to use the LSE editor.  There are LOTS of legitimate computer help books
(even if they are WAY overpriced)   Jack Radigan was targeting those books
that tell you exactly what the manuals do, in different words, and maybe
even less than the manuals, but enough to let you function with the program.
From: Mark_Skaff@softworx.access (Mark Skaff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Fidonet Message Readers + Mailers
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:22:14 PST
Organization: Subterrainian Softworx BBS

     I have tried numerous Fidonet Message Readers, and Tossers, and
Scanners on my Amiga for my mail. All of them are old, or very complex. Can
anyone recommend something  that is Non-Commercial other than the two I
have tried (Juliet + Chameleon)?

     On a less important note, I use Welmat for Mailing. I am satisfied
with it, but would like something that is not CLI based. Does anyone
know/recommend any other Non-Commercial Fidonet mailer?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.misc
From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
Subject: Re:  New modem transfer protocol
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:39:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Sending data in backward direction with PEP

In article <1992Apr6.192855.23566@vaxeline.ftp.com> dwh@vaxeline.ftp.com (David W. Hamaker) writes:
>In article <dej.00jh@qpoint.amiga.ocunix.on.ca> dej@qpoint.amiga.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones) writes:
>>
>>The worst asymmetrical ratio I've seen is 32:1 (14400 vs 450 for HST).
>>Given that a CRC packet (in my design) is 13 bytes, a "CRC quantum"
>>of 512 bytes is more than enough to ensure optimum flow on such
>>a modem.
>
>My design requires 4 bytes per quantum so that a quantum of 128 would
>fill up the 450 channel in this case.  I'm curious about ping-pong
>modems (which is mostly PEP these days) though.  Can any of these
>handle some very-low level of back-traffic without degrading the
>forward channel? 
>

PEP can, though the amount of data varies with the line quality.
On clean phone lines PEP acks the data in the forward direction with
a "micro" packet.  That packet can hold around 24 bytes.

However, under moderate impairments, the number of bytes that will fit
into a micro packet will likely be smaller.  A few weeks ago someone
commented in this group that 12 bytes or less would not slow down the
forward direction, and that's probably a good rule of thumb.

>
>To do error correction, these modems have to have some sort of back and
>forth conversation going on behind the scenes.  Perhaps there is a little
>room for user data in the back-channel of that conversation.  If so, how
>much can fit for each particular case of these modems?  Does it matter if
>my four bytes are sent in a burst, or if they are evenly spaced over the
>interval?
>

PEP modems won't care.  Data received before the modem has an opportunity
to transmit will just be buffered.  One thing that could happen is that
the bytes come back in separate modem packets, with a relatively long
amount of time between them.  If three of the four bytes have accumulated
in the modem's buffer when it gets a chance to transmit, it will wrap them
in a packet and send them back.  Then it must wait to send the fourth byte
(and any others that come along).  That wait depends on how much data is
moving in the forward direction.  Could be as much as 2 seconds between
the first three bytes and the last one.

With this in mind, the rule would be to group bytes together that should
stay together.  If the modem receives them together in one burst, it's
less likely to split them apart.


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