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                           A N N O U N C E M E N T


      Please send title and abstract of a paper by October 7, 1992 for:


               A PERCEPTUAL CONTROL THEORY OF MACRO STRUCTURES

                                     to

                              Charles W. Tucker
                           Department of Sociology
                        University of South Carolina
                              Columbia SC 29208
                              V- (803) 777-3123
                              F- (803) 777-5251
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                    MIDWEST SOCIOLOGICAL SOCIETY MEETINGS
                              APRIL 7-10, 1993
                                HYATT REGENCY
                              CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

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From:         "(Amy Henne)" <henne@EDSTAR.GSE.UCSB.EDU>
Subject: Re: Grounded theory & qualitative software
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Thank You--I would very much like to receive a copy of your paper and
would be happy to edit and/or comment.  I am also very much interested
in knowing if there will be any proceedings published from this
conference as this is an emerging area of specialzation for me.
I am a 2nd year PhD student in ducational Psychology and a TA in
two Qualitative methods classes where I will be teaching students,
initially to use The Ethnograph and HyperQual.  You will have comments
from me by Friday or Saturday.

Kind Regards--

-Amy

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Amy D. Henne
Graduate School of Education
University of California at Santa Barbara
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Subject:      Re: Participatory Action Research

I was also intriqued by the course, but do not have that kind of money
lying around the office.  In fact I thought an interactive computer course
would be kind of fun.  Although I do not "talk" or "write" much, I am
learning on this network, too.  If it is possible to develop such a course
at less money.  I would be interested.

Sandra L. Starkey, Ph.D.
Bitnet:  Starkey@WVNVM.Bitnet
West Virginia Graduate College
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Subject:      Re: PARTICIPATORY ACTION RESEARCH
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...

>> ... For example, the combination of usual US
>> student fees and the 'hidden' state contribution would go close to paying the
>> fee we are committed to provided the state contribution could be prised out
 of
>> the students' home institution. The grounds would be that the home
 institution
>> would be 'buying in' tutition rather providing it. ...

  I 'read' this twice in the original message.  I've read it again and I still
fail to understand.  Is there a special linguist content related to australese?
I find prise defined as another form of prize.  Under prize I find one meaning
that is priced.  The expression "could be prised out" seems to be the
construction that throws me.

  Also I've developed a weak comprehension of "Q Methodology", but what does
Q alone stand for in these discussions?  I've been lost by this several times,
including in this discussion.

  Any help would be appreciated.  (I'm still lost on 'orgs' too.)

  We don't seem to be speaking the same language; perhaps it's typos, but
I have difficulty guessing the right words to substitute.

  Thanks.





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Nicholas Sturm, 4037 Ward Beecher, 410 Wick Ave., Youngstown, Ohio 44555
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From:         JIMANDE@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU
Subject:      Re: PARTICIPATORY ACTION RESEARCH
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Penny Oldfather gives good counsel, but it must also extend to those
who passionately wish to disagree or even disapprove.  There's
learning it for us all.
Jim Anderson
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From:         "(GERALD WEINSTEIN)" <geraldw@TITAN.UCC.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Analysis of patient responses
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William, what were you trying to find out? What prompted you to come up with
those particular interview questions?
From: Michael_Roth@SFU.CA
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>I know that many people are sick of the discussion about the "best" qual
>software, but I have a practical question:  has anyone on this network
>used either hyperreserach or nudist on the macintosh?  If you have used
>either or both, would you please describe the advantages and
>disadvantages of them in your eyes.

I have used HyperResearch, and I am not too favorable (I have to indicate
that some people consider me a computer nerd, so my reticence is not
because of computer phobia).  In my few there are clear limitations, which
might be a limitation of all.  First, this program lends itself primarily
to grounded theory, and to simple indexing of a data base.  I have recently
familiarized myself with the program with a data base consisting of two
students; for each of them I had two 1-h interviews, and 7 essays
(originally double spaced 3-7 pages).  With this relatively small base, the
time for the prgram to start up, to search for specific set of codes, to
produce a report was enormously long in terms of present computing.  Also,
there are some odd features. Like the selection of codes for a report in
form of a pull down window which has to be released for each code.  If you
have a long list of codes, and a number of your codes for your report are
at the end of the list, you are scrolling for eternities until all of your
selctions are done.--I don't think that I will have the patience to do an
analysis of a data base including 23 participants with 2-4 interviews and 9
essays each.

One has to be aware that these software do not lend themselves for many
forms of qualitative analysis.  Our colleague Mrkku Lonkila
(LONKILA@franz.helsinki.fi) just send me the draft of a paper in which he
addresses these problems.  HyperResearch is subject to the same limitation
as the other programs Markku discusses.

Michael
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From:         Lynn Schlesinger <SCHLESL@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Qualitative Sociology

Date sent:  3-OCT-1992 11:08:45
>
>Does someone have the specific volume and issue numbers of the current
>issues of Qualitative Sociology which are devoted to software packages
>used in qualitative analysis?
>
Volume 14, numbers 3 and 4 (fall and winter 1991)

Lynn Schlesinger
schlesl@snyplava or schlesl@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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From:         "(Bruce Jones)" <bjones@WEBER.UCSD.EDU>
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1. One-time offerings of electronic courses on the net do not violate
the NSFNet Fair Use Policy.

2. Reach into your back pocket or purse, pull out your wallet, take
out all the spare $2000 dollars you find, pile them on the table,
imagine just how many students that poor fool down in Oz is likely
to have enroll in his email course, put away your indignation and go
back to reading your mail.

bj

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From:         "Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet)" <TK0JUT1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PARTICIPATORY RESEARCH

Gary W writes:

   >This is not a commercial announcement as I do not receive
   >royalties for this book. It is simply information which may be of
   >interest to list members.

Gary--I *would not* consider your blurb improper in anyway.  The
inclusion of price is part of the relevant info and you're not
soliciting. I would distinguish such legitimate announcements from
questionable revenue-generating solicitations that seem to have
questionable pedagogical value. The latter strikes me as the
electronic equivalent of a vanity press advertising through this
medium. I find it odd that those doing the soliciting are not among
those taking part in discussions here and have not returned to respond
to some of the comments made. To me, this suggests that this forum was
percieved simply as a "billboard" on which to hussle up some $$$.

Jim

PS--for those who've asked, my discomfort with the course solicitation
extends beyond "advertising." I saw little pedagogical integrity in a
"course" that is vulnerable to potential abuse, found severe
adminstrative problems with it that, in the academic universe I live
in, struck me as potentially unethical, and the "course" initially
impressed me as akin to hucksterism.  Action-oriented researchers
often fight against the perception that the perspective isn't serious,
and such "courses" reinforce this inaccurate perception. I would like
to be demonstrated wrong on this, and perhaps the original posters
could join the dialogue and elaborate their goals. I take no pleasure
in criticizing colleagues in this manner, and it would please me to be
able to change my views.  Unless that happens, my view that the
solicitation of $2,000 for essentially a non-credit course with some
seemingly serious pedagogical and administrative problems is improper
for this particular forum remains strong.
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From:         "(Nicholas Sturm)" <aa248@YFN.YSU.EDU>
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  I seem to understand some writing much better than other samples.

  What is an org? (orgs, plural?)

  What is an earlier writer trying to distinguish with the words 'knowing'
and 'knowledge'?  I have my concept of these, but when I apply them I'm
left without a clear understanding.

  Please.


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From: lonkila@franz.Helsinki.FI (MARKKU LONKILA (SOSPO))
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Date: 27 Sep 92 19:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Faculty of Social Sciences

In article <QUALRS-L%92092417535301@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> CMSDIANE@UGA.BITNET (Diane M. Samdahl) writes:

>Can someone give me information about different software packages for
>analyzing transcribed interviews?  I have no familiarity with software
>for qualitative analysis.  Information and/or recommendations would
>be appreciated.  Thanks!

Dear Diane,

The latest issue of Qualitative Sociology is devoted to computer-assisted 
qualitative analysis. It includes a list of available software.

regards,

Markku Lonkila
University of Helsinki
e-mail internet: lonkila@cc.helsinki.fi
       bitnet:   lonkila@finuh
From: lonkila@franz.Helsinki.FI (MARKKU LONKILA (SOSPO))
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Subject: Grounded theory & qualitative software
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:27:53 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Faculty of Social Sciences

I'll be participating next week in the conference "Computers and Qualitative 
Research" in Bremen, Germany. I am right now working on my conference paper 
"Grounded Theory as Emerging Paradigm for Computer-assisted 
Qualitative Research". If some of the readers of this list are interested in 
commenting my draft, I'd be happy to send it by e-mail. In exchange I would 
like the readers a) to comment the paper, b) to correct my poor english c) 
to act quickly because I'll have to get the comments by sunday, 4th October.
The paper is approximately 6-8 pages long.

Please, send your e-mail directly to me to avoid cluttering this list!


best regards,

Markku Lonkila
University of Helsinki
Dept. of Sociology
e-mail internet: lonkila@cc.helsinki.fi
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From:         JIMANDE@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Knowledge?
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I applaud Mark Horney's clear albeit futile efforts a holding a particular
meaning in place for what is probably the most active political arena
within research.  Mark's definitions establish an epistemological
heirarchy which itself suggests that we can recognize when we step from
sense data to knowledge to wisdom.  The heirarchy is central to both a
naive empiricist position and to a scientistic position.  It supports
naive empiricism as it offers a claim of independence of sense data from
knowledge thereby establishing brute facts which can serve to rectify
knowledge.  It establishes an imperial science position in that it
nominates holders of wisdom--not something that the common folk should
aspire.

it would do different work to think of these as different levels of
discourse with separate qualities of voice and authority.  The different
work might be to see them all as emanating from a semiotic domain in
which the material and biological are implicated but not in control.
Such a move gives away our majesty but that
s  not much these days anyway.

I am sorry to accelerate Mark's straightforward comments into something
quite different, but it is a slow Monday afternoon out here in the woods
of western Michigan.

Jim Anderson
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From:         "jean k. latting" <SOCW9V@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      hyperresearch, nudist, hyperqual on the mac

Thanks for Michael for his critique of hyperresearch and to kelly
for her recommendation of freetext.  i have decided against hyperesearch
based on michael's experience and will try freetext.

has anyone else tried hyperresearch or nudist?  i had thought that
hyperresearch was supposed to be an advanced version of hyperqual.
has anyone had a better experience with hyperqual?

jean
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>
>Jim,
>I have problems with that posting ... but partly because
>I have serious problems with the notion that university
>courses can be taught by disembodied profs to disembodied
>students.
>
>Sherrie Reynolds
>Sherrie Reynolds
>REYNOLDS@TCUCVMS
>PO BOX 32925
>Texas Christian University
>Fort Worth, TX 76129
>
>
  I'd not be too disturbed about trying a virtual prof with virtual students
if personal e-mail is a complement to the open discussion; but commercial
activity over the Internet is certainly questionable--I don't know about
over BITNET--who pays for it's superstructure?


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Subject:      Re: Participatory Action Research

I guess I don't have any problem with an electronic correspondence course; it
sounds better than a postal one anyway (instant grats, etc.). Indeed, I am
finishing a left-over independent study from my last position. But to charge
$2000 for it -- really? I deleted the message before I got to _that_ line.
Correspondence courses should be a bargain.
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From:         "jean k. latting" <SOCW9V@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      hyperresearch vs. nudist on the mac

I know that many people are sick of the discussion about the "best" qual
software, but I have a practical question:  has anyone on this network
used either hyperreserach or nudist on the macintosh?  If you have used
either or both, would you please describe the advantages and
disadvantages of them in your eyes.  My office supposedly has ordered
rene ???'s book, but it isn't in yet and i am being pushed to decide
between the two.

any info to the net or to me privately will be appreciated.

jean (socw9v@uhupvm1)
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Subject:      Re: Analysis of patient responses
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Some people have asked for more details about the patient response
problem.  So here goes...

First some background assumptions.  The elderly, whether patients
or not, are more likely to be malnourished than other age groups.
Physiological changes associated with aging are not sufficient
to explain the increased risk.  In the absense of physiological
rationale, economic and psychosocial reasons are the most likely
cause(s) for the increased risk.  Economic considerations are the
subject of a different research initiative.  Peters, Rappoport,
Huff-Corzinne and Downey have postulated that people select foods
or meals for a limited number of reasons.  Further, they found that
young subjects seemed to be motivated by different factors than
elderly subjects.  This might be a line of thought that 'explain'
why the elderly get more malnourished.  If the rationale for choosing
foods changes secondary to some aspect of the aging process, these
new factors may change the foods chosen in a negative way.  Some
studies have suggested that the elderly select from a smaller group
than do younger subjects.  Since no one food or group of foods provides
adequate nutrition, restricting the foods selected increases the risk
of malnutrition.

We set out to repeat aspects of Peters, et al. in a group of
hospitalized patients.  We always asked open-ended questions first;
"Many things can be important when you are deciding what to eat for
a meal.  Could you tell us several things that are important to you
when you are deciding what to eat?"
THen we would ask for them to rate meals that they had given us on
the five factors suggested by Peters, et al.

We have a series of responses and, as I am new to the Qual game,
I would appreciate any insights and suggestions.  (Much thanks to
those suggestions already received) (If this missive is even more
disoriented than normal, I am fielding phone call from the Dean's
office while I am trying to write it)


William D. Hart,  Saint Louis University
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From:         JIMANDE@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Replication
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My last few days have been spent in reviewing a Ms. which works an
overview in qualitative research.  it has been interesting to watch the
authors strugglewith the concept of generalization of findings--a concept
which I think is the parent of replication.  Whatever can generalize is
whatever one can replicate.  Rivers come into our purview as a
consequence of some persistent characteristics of the phenomenal world
(water within a reasonably well-known course--that is I will both need
and can build a bridge over it which will be effective over a sufficiently
span of time to be justifiable) as well as the semiotic achievement of
human effort by which those characteristivs come into being (a la Wittgen-
stein) as an entity called a river.

In a similar vein, in whatever classroom I step into (though I never
step into the same class twice) I will always find the exercise of power--
an exercise which shall be played out in the here and now of the moment.
Be that as it may, it is still power--constructed as it is by the situated
players as a local and unique representation of reciprocal subordination.
That power is an achievement of human effort within the semiotic domain does not
require it to be without persistent features which can recognized in different
times and places.  I may not be the same me of a moment ago, but I am sitll me.
I don't care how many rivers pass under the bridge; I want a bridge that will
cross over them all.

In my inner ear I hear an exceptiontaking murmur saying that "I don't have
power in my class."  Yes, we can EMPOWER our students--force them to act
in certain ways.  i am reminded of the robin Williams character in
Dead Poets Society oxymoronic command "Think for yourself!" Alas I digress:
The point is that a class is recognizeable as a class because of the exercise
of power not necessarily because of the manner of its performance.

Like many things done in haste I may regret this note--it is a persistent
outcome I have replicated often in full recognition of my contribution to
its persistent character

Jim anderson
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Subject:      Re: students and evaluating qualitative work

Kathy:
   I am also new in the area of qualitative research and teach a research
course.  I would love a copy of your handout when it is finished.  May help
me as well as my students.  Thank you.

Sandra L. Starkey, Ph.D.
Bitnet:  Starkey@WVNVM.bitnet
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From:         "Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet)" <TK0JUT1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Participatory Action Research

Is it just me, or does anybody else have problems with soliciting
$2,000 (US) for a course as recently described by a poster, apparently
from Deakin U, as odd, offensive, and (judging from the description of
the course) pedagogically offensive?  I'm not sure that a bitnet
newsgroup is a forum to advertise for what appears to be primarily a
revenue-generating enterprise.
Comments???

Jim Thomas
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