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From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: Re: pms (was re: pm)
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:25:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.043130.18895@husc3.harvard.edu>, 
zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>In article <Bzs38y.AJz@umassd.edu> 
>pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>
>>    In "The Black Hole of Contemporary Philosophy (2nd Renaissance Books,
>>Oceanside, CA, audio)," Gary Hull says the various streams of contemporary
>>philosophy have merged into postmodernism, a rejection of Plato's introduction
>>of system into (Western?) philosophy. Does anybody agree with this, the
>>rejection of system, as the definition of pm?
>
>You got that backwards, Grossman, -- this is the definition of PMS, not PM.


	>
>Incidentally, if you are into audio books because you are visually,
>rather than intellectually challenged, I withdraw all my opprobrium.
>
>Are you that stoopid everywhere, or just in the groups I happen to read?
>
>>    "logocentric hegemony of an elitist hegemonic faith in objectivity and
>>science"
>>                                               Roger Kimball
>>                                               _Tenured Radicals_
>
>Poor science!  With friends like you and Kimball, who needs enemas?


	Zeleny, once again, demonstrates that the Greek discovery of the mind 
need not be permanent. It is quite possible to lose one's mind and default, as 
Ayn Rand noted, "[to] a miasma of floating abstractions unrelated to 
concretes....Reason [to those who won't reason] is a means of defeating their 
victims, a menial servant charged with the task of rationalizing the 
metaphysical validity and power of their whims [ontological commitments, 
assumptions]....When men do not choose to reach the conceptual level, their 
consciousness has no recourse [like a computer default] but to its automatic, 
perceptual, semi-animal functions." Zeleny symbolizes his semi-animal functions 
and calls it philosophy.
================================================================================
	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
                                                              AYN RAND
================================================================================
Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
================================================================================
From: triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: pms (was re: pm)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 05:19:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <C0Aq9u.Cs8@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>
>SG	Logical positivism?! Rand has been ignorantly or dishonestly accused of 
>many philosophical sins but, at least to my knowledge, never before of logical 
>positivism. For one thing, she denounces it as the claim "that man can be 
>certain of nothing but the sensory perceptions of the immediate moment" and as 
>the claim that "[science] is the creation of arbitrary constructs." The _Ency. 
>of Philosophy_ describes LP as the  claim that "The propositions of 
>metaphysics...are neither true nor false..."	
>	What is your understanding of Objectivism and LP such that you think 
>they are _basically_ similar? For the most part, opponents of Objectivism 
>dislike its concern with metaphysics (any metaphysics). Is your rejection of 
>Objectivism on a different basis? What could be a more basic difference than  
>the Objectivist acceptance of meta. and the LP rejection of meta?!
>	The only possibility i can guess at, and this is really a stretch, is 
>that some consider LP as giving positive answers because of its acceptance of 
>science. 
>	

my misunderstanding--i gave rand the benefit of the doubt and
imagined she was at least not running about fretting about the
nature of things-in-themselves.  perhaps (shudder) objectivism could
be more ludicrous even than i'd previously imagined?

logical positivism's inability to deal with social construction and
cultural relativity earns it the kick in the rear.  rand likewise.
philosophy is politics and reactionary philosophers etc.


Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: Re: pms (was re: pm)
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:58:40 GMT

In article <1hu6k2INNd09@network.ucsd.edu>, triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan 
Riley) writes:
>>	Zeleny, once again, demonstrates that the Greek discovery of the mind 
>>need not be permanent. It is quite possible to lose one's mind and default, 
>>as Ayn Rand noted, "[to] a miasma of floating abstractions unrelated to 
>>concretes....Reason [to those who won't reason] is a means of defeating their 
>>victims, a menial servant charged with the task of rationalizing the 
>>metaphysical validity and power of their whims [ontological commitments, 
>>assumptions]....When men do not choose to reach the conceptual level, their 
>>consciousness has no recourse [like a computer default] but to its automatic, 
>>perceptual, semi-animal functions." Zeleny symbolizes his semi-animal 
>>functions and calls it philosophy.

>oh, please quote some more logical positivistic bullshit from a
>philosophical nobody and call that philosophy.  maybe there's an
>alt.simplistic.answers.to.all.epistemological.issues you can post to
>in future--i know there's a nifty little objectivist/randite/take
>-phallus-in-hand-and-emit-reason group who'd be thrilled to discuss
>'anthem' with you til you're blue in the face. 

SG	Logical positivism?! Rand has been ignorantly or dishonestly accused of 
many philosophical sins but, at least to my knowledge, never before of logical 
positivism. For one thing, she denounces it as the claim "that man can be 
certain of nothing but the sensory perceptions of the immediate moment" and as 
the claim that "[science] is the creation of arbitrary constructs." The _Ency. 
of Philosophy_ describes LP as the  claim that "The propositions of 
metaphysics...are neither true nor false..."	
	What is your understanding of Objectivism and LP such that you think 
they are _basically_ similar? For the most part, opponents of Objectivism 
dislike its concern with metaphysics (any metaphysics). Is your rejection of 
Objectivism on a different basis? What could be a more basic difference than  
the Objectivist acceptance of meta. and the LP rejection of meta?!
	The only possibility i can guess at, and this is really a stretch, is 
that some consider LP as giving positive answers because of its acceptance of 
science. 
	
________________________________________________________________________________
	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
                                                              AYN RAND
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
================================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: Re: pms (was re: pm)
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:41:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.043130.18895@husc3.harvard.edu>, 
zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>In article <Bzs38y.AJz@umassd.edu> 
>pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>
>>    In "The Black Hole of Contemporary Philosophy (2nd Renaissance Books,
>>Oceanside, CA, audio)," Gary Hull says the various streams of contemporary
>>philosophy have merged into postmodernism, a rejection of Plato's introduction
>>of system into (Western?) philosophy. Does anybody agree with this, the
>>rejection of system, as the definition of pm?
>
>You got that backwards, Grossman, -- this is the definition of PMS, not PM.
>
>Incidentally, if you are into audio books because you are visually,
>rather than intellectually challenged, I withdraw all my opprobrium.

SG	I _just_ got _A History of Knowledge_ by Charles van Doran in the mail 
from 2nd Renaissance Books in Oceanside, Ca. I'm so happy. By the way, isn't 
some of Greek philosophy coextensive with a stress on lectures rather than 
books?
	>
================================================================================
	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
                                                              AYN RAND
================================================================================
Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
================================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: A Question, for centuries I have awaited a question
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 07:09:38 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

In article <eHNmwB1w165w@unkaphaed.gbdata.com> montag@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Chris Brinson) writes:
| Here's a question......................
|  
|   What Exactly does the term "postmodern" mean
|   
|    I mean isn't that like a self contradicting term?
|    
|     An oxymoron, perhaps?

Congratulations.
-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: pms (was re: pm)
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:31:30 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <Bzs38y.AJz@umassd.edu> 
pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:

>    In "The Black Hole of Contemporary Philosophy (2nd Renaissance Books,
>Oceanside, CA, audio)," Gary Hull says the various streams of contemporary
>philosophy have merged into postmodernism, a rejection of Plato's introduction
>of system into (Western?) philosophy. Does anybody agree with this, the
>rejection of system, as the definition of pm?

You got that backwards, Grossman, -- this is the definition of PMS, not PM.

Incidentally, if you are into audio books because you are visually,
rather than intellectually challenged, I withdraw all my opprobrium.

Are you that stoopid everywhere, or just in the groups I happen to read?

>    "logocentric hegemony of an elitist hegemonic faith in objectivity and
>science"
>                                               Roger Kimball
>                                               _Tenured Radicals_

Poor science!  With friends like you and Kimball, who needs enemas?

>================================================================================
>	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
>you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
>tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
>                                                              AYN RAND
>================================================================================
>Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
>================================================================================

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
From: triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: pms (was re: pm)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 07:14:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

>	Zeleny, once again, demonstrates that the Greek discovery of the mind 
>need not be permanent. It is quite possible to lose one's mind and default, as 
>Ayn Rand noted, "[to] a miasma of floating abstractions unrelated to 
>concretes....Reason [to those who won't reason] is a means of defeating their 
>victims, a menial servant charged with the task of rationalizing the 
>metaphysical validity and power of their whims [ontological commitments, 
>assumptions]....When men do not choose to reach the conceptual level, their 
>consciousness has no recourse [like a computer default] but to its automatic, 
>perceptual, semi-animal functions." Zeleny symbolizes his semi-animal functions 
>and calls it philosophy.
>================================================================================
>	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
>you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
>tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
>                                                              AYN RAND
>================================================================================
>Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
>================================================================================

oh, please quote some more logical positivistic bullshit from a
philosophical nobody and call that philosophy.  maybe there's an
alt.simplistic.answers.to.all.epistemological.issues you can post to
in future--i know there's a nifty little objectivist/randite/take
-phallus-in-hand-and-emit-reason group who'd be thrilled to discuss
'anthem' with you til you're blue in the face.
From: montag@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Chris Brinson)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: A Question, for centuries I have awaited a question
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 03:28:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

Here's a question......................
 
  What Exactly does the term "postmodern" mean
  
   I mean isn't that like a self contradicting term?
   
    An oxymoron, perhaps?
   
    Did a blonde receptionist come up with it?

   
   Chris Brinson..........
   
  There's the addresss

--
montag@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (Chris Brinson)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 943-2728
After December 31, (713) 481-3763
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
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From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.party,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Need ideas for Bachelor party..
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:33:18 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <455@bdofed.UUCP>, rick@bdofed.UUCP (n) writes:
> 
> I have a bachelor party coming up that I have to plan for. I have
> some ideas but i'm also looking for more.
> 
> I've only been at one rather sorry excuse for a party about 20
> years ago and it ended up in a bit of a tussle. They started by locking
> the guy in a trailer until he finished a 24 of beer. The movies
> were really poor, I mean really poor!!!.
> 
> So What types of things have people done to:
> 
>      1) raise money for the guy
>           - booze
>           - draws
>                What types of things?
> 
>      2) entertainment
> 
> How were the movies/entertainment presented?
> 

>      rick




be original....don't do the same-old-same-old "let's get drunk and
watch pornos" thing.  do something cool, something memorable.  do
laser-tag in an arena...do the paintball thing....
if the wedding is the next day, do NOT get him drunk.  you'll only
piss off the bride and have that tension thing forever.  
anyway, i'm not a man, i've never been to a bachelor party.  just
thought maybe you'd like to have a woman's view.  my friend was married
not too long ago and they did the paintball thing (they went to a place
that hosted paintball wars).  they played for hours and they all had
a great time.  another friend did the traditional bachelor party and
was miserable not only the day of the wedding due to a hangover from
hell, but was miserable for most of his honeymoon because his wife was
still so mad at him!
just an idea.....
From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
Subject: Re: Need ideas for Bachelor party..
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 02:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.093318.13309@bsu-ucs>, 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
|> In article <455@bdofed.UUCP>, rick@bdofed.UUCP (n) writes:
|> > 
|> > I have a bachelor party coming up that I have to plan for. I have
|> > some ideas but i'm also looking for more.
|> [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> be original....don't do the same-old-same-old "let's get drunk and
|> watch pornos" thing.  do something cool, something memorable.  do
|> laser-tag in an arena...do the paintball thing....
|> if the wedding is the next day, do NOT get him drunk.  you'll only
|> piss off the bride and have that tension thing forever.  
|> anyway, i'm not a man, i've never been to a bachelor party.  just
|> thought maybe you'd like to have a woman's view.  my friend was married
|> not too long ago and they did the paintball thing (they went to a place
|> that hosted paintball wars).  they played for hours and they all had
|> a great time.  another friend did the traditional bachelor party and
|> was miserable not only the day of the wedding due to a hangover from
|> hell, but was miserable for most of his honeymoon because his wife was
|> still so mad at him!
|> just an idea.....

  I agree wholeheartedly.   A bunch of my friends and I are roleplayers/
wargamers, and for a bachelor party, we simply gamed whatever the
soon-to-be-betrothed wanted.   One small problem..... most women
HATE roleplayers, it seems.  Make sure that the bachelor party does
not interfere with anything the woman wants to do.

Xref: sparky alt.party:582 alt.sex:40402
From: rick@bdofed.UUCP (n)
Newsgroups: alt.party,alt.sex
Subject: Need ideas for Bachelor party..
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:06:00 GMT
Organization: Etobicoke Board of Education, Ontario


I have a bachelor party coming up that I have to plan for. I have
some ideas but i'm also looking for more.

I've only been at one rather sorry excuse for a party about 20
years ago and it ended up in a bit of a tussle. They started by locking
the guy in a trailer until he finished a 24 of beer. The movies
were really poor, I mean really poor!!!.

So What types of things have people done to:

     1) raise money for the guy
          - booze
          - draws
               What types of things?

     2) entertainment

How were the movies/entertainment presented?

     rick
From: apb.4819@nd.edu (voluptua love)
Newsgroups: alt.party
Subject: party
Summary: dudes
Keywords: down
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:45:44 GMT
Distribution: alt.party
Organization: University of Notre Dame

party down dudes

and dudettes

love, 

voluptua, your kinky new years toy
 
------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Voss
University of Notre Dame
Newsgroups: alt.party
From: mgoodwin@nmsu.edu (Michael E Goodwin)
Subject: Re: whisky drinks?  Request...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:32:24 GMT

Ok Rene here goes,
	Of course we all know that it is spelled Whiskey and not
Whisky for the Irish blends.. ;-) 

	
EVERYBODY'S IRISH
2 oz Irish Whiskey		1 oz green Chartreuse
1 oz green Creme de Menthe

	In a mixing glass half-filled with ice cubes, combine all of
the ingredients. Stir well. Strain into a cocktail glass.

And that is all the specific Irish Whiskey drinks I could find.
I'm going to include more blended whiskey drinks which I'm sure you
could use Irish whiskey for a substitute. I've never tried that
personally.


ALGONQUIN
1 1/2 oz blended whiskey	1/2 oz dry vermouth
1 oz pineapple juice

In a shaker half-filled with ice cubes, combine all of the
ingredients. Shake well. Strain into a cocktail glass.

BABY'S BOTTOM

1 1/2 oz blended whiskey	1/2 oz white creme de cacao
1/2 oz white creme de menthe

In a mixing glass half-filled with ice cubes, combine all of the
ingredients. Stir well. Strain into a cocktail glass.

BAY HORSE

1 1/2 oz blended whiskey	1 oz heavy cream
1/2 oz Pernod			1/4 teaspoon grated nutmeg
1/2 oz dark creme de cacao

In a shaker half-filled with ice cubes, combine the whiskey, Pernod,
creme de cacao, and cream. Shake well. Strain into an old-fashioned
glass almost filled with ice cubes. Garnish with the nutmeg.

BOILERMAKER

1 oz blended whiskey	12 oz beer

Pour the whiskey into a shot glass. Pour the beer into a beer mug.
Drink the whiskey in one go. Sip the beer. Drink a Boilermaker only if
you are sober before you start and tough enough to drink whiskey in
one go.
	A variation is that you drop the filled shot glass directly
into the filled beer mug and drink the entire contents in one go.

MANHATTAN

2 oz blended whiskey		3 dashes Angostura bitters
3/4 oz sweet vermouth		1 cherry

In a mixing glass half-filled with ice cubes (doesn't this sound
familiar?), combine the whiskey, vermouth, and the bitters. Stir well.
Strain into a cocktail glass. Garnish with the cherry.
I'm sure a few people are gonna wonder what the heck a bitter is.
Basically all they are is an herb. Its just something to add a little
different taste.


Well that's all I have time to post at the moment so enjoy!
And safe holidays.

:-)

Mike
From: ming@acsu.buffalo.edu (Zhi-Hong Ming)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: ~{CUSo~}
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:28:13 GMT
Organization: UB


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From: raojiwu@vax2.concordia.ca (Jiwu Rao of Montreal)
Subject: Re: ~{CUSo~}
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Concordia University
Distribution: alt.chinese.text
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.153913.5554@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, zyan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhongcheng Yan) writes...
> 
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> 
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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: zyan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhongcheng Yan)
Subject: ~{CUSo~}
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: alt.chinese.text
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:39:13 GMT


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Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: zyan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhongcheng Yan)
Subject: Re: ~{CUSo~}
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:55:52 GMT

In article <28DEC199211362163@trentu.ca> bzhou@trentu.ca (BING ZHOU) writes:
>In article <27DEC199200265074@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu>, hwangk@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (DAVE ROPER) writes...
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From: jcao@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Jingbin Cao)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: Help: I can't get the word tiao2 in zwdos
Date: 31 Dec 92 06:47:01 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

I am trying to write a proposal in Chinese but can't get the word
tiao2, eventhough it seems to be a frequently used word. I've tried
two of the input methods without aval. The word tiao2 is as in
tiao2zheng2 (adjust) or in tiao2xi4 (tease). Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Jingbin
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
From: jian@bayazid.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Ming Jian)
Newsgroups: alt.chinese.text
Subject: ~{Uy5ZR;~}
Date: 22 Dec 92 06:00:59 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines




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