HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: I Witness Video
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:37:06 GMT

In article <SHIBUYA.93Jan25083120@chute.bl.cad.slb.com> shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com writes:
>Did you see NBC I Witness Video this Sunday evening?  They had a
>lengthy (something like 15 minutes or more) episode on freestyle
>skydiving

Did anyone tape this?  Did anyone know it was coming?  If so, would said
person mind making copies of the tape?

Blue Skies over TeXXas, hope so in your neck,
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From: wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil (jim )
Subject: Re: CYPRES Prices and Availability
Followup-To: rec.skydiving
Organization: nrl
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:24:21 GMT

In article <911.2B63F6AE@ehsnet.fidonet.org>,
ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE) wrote:
> 
> Reply-to: Frank.Koza@p0.f2.n3634.z1.fidonet.org (Frank Koza)
> Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!frc2.frc.ri.cm
> 
>  reueFRC> Well. Last Friday I decided I had to buy a CYPRES. Reports  
> 
> Is CYPRES a reserve canopy?
> 
> More later... Frank
> 

No, the Cypres is an electronic, pyro-tech, line cutting, AAD.  Degisned,
tested
and made in Germany.  See recent issues of Parachutist and/or Skydiving for
reviews and/or full page ads with full discriptions.

=================================================
wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil
B-15788
"Are you ready to skydive?!?..............DOOR!!"
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: archives
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 05:08:48 GMT

news here has ben down for a while, and i missed quite
a bit... the ftp site seems not to have any of what i missed,
is somebody working on that? i noticed that the rest of the 
archives have been taked care of.. (sorry, i was too lazy).

Tim
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Warmest New Years DZ?
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 20:03:58 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!ache.mad.adela

 r> To:   ehsnet!skydive
 r> Date: 13 Jan 1993 22:06:29 GMT

 r> The warmest, best equipped Xmas /New Year Boogie?   Try 
 r> the Australian Nationals
 r> from 26th Dec though to 6th Jan each year. (Competition 
 r> usually finished by 3rd).

Well, since this message was posted on the 13th, and my time machine is currently in the shop, I'll mark it down as a possible for next year.

 r> and two GAF Nomads (twin turbine, much like a 2/3rd size Twin Otter - 
Cool!  I will travel far for an airplane I haven't jumped before.  

Total is now 30.  Still need Twin Bonanza and Porter though.

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From: marury@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (Maury Markowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Q: AFF safety
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:36:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada

> (except perhaps Britain, but then again don't they
> still require first jumps to be made with rounds there?)

  I'm just a beginner, but what's wrong with doing your first jump on a
round?

Maury Markowitz,
SoftArc Inc.
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Jumping down under
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:17:50 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!freefal

Tuesday January 19 1993, romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!freefall.jsc.n writes to Skydive:

 reuejn> From  romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!ra.oc.com!news
 reuejn> From: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!freefall.jsc.nasa.gov!horn (Mark Horn)
 reuejn> To:   ehsnet!skydive
 reuejn> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 23:24:40 GMT

 reuejn> turtle neck with billowy arms to make it easier to do things like daffy's
 reuejn> or verticle things.  But, I discovered that I had a hard time doing
Mark, what is a Daffy?  Also, do you have any suggestions on how to stand up
in free fall, with arms out, like a T?  I tried last summer, but just
flipping over.  Fun as hell trying though.  :-)

 reuejn> I'm anxiously waiting to see Skyblazin '92 on Saturday.  In fact, I'm
 reuejn> having a bunch of wuffo's over to try and introduce them to the

I probably will not see the reply by saturday, so I will scan my tv guide, but
is the a television show you are refering to?  I MUST record it if it is.  I
need to pay more attention to the tv guide.  Thanks for the info.



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From: bert@penril.com (Bert Robbins)
Subject: Re: newbie blues II
Organization: Penril DataComm Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:55:41 GMT

Vannevar Yu (vannevar@panix.com) wrote:
: Yep, the subject says it all.  I didn't understand Jan Meyer's article/flyer
: "Newbie blues" until now, when I am afflicted with such condition.

: You're no longer impressed with the thought of dying on THIS jump.  The AFF
: course feels like it was 10 years ago instead of last year.  You're somewhat
: waiting for the 100 jump mark (note: some call this stage the 25-100 do-or-die)
: but not really excited by 'number of jumps' alone.  You want to try RW but
: you're not a skygod.  Maybe freestyle?  Style and accuracy?  BASE?  Skysurf?

: You're relaxed enough to fart on jump run, to fart in freefall.  But you're
: still too 'young' in skydiving experience to do the 'hot stuff'.  You'd like
: to learn more, but there's that GAP between one-on-one and 4W.  Worse of all,
: you don't have a mentor or mentors.  No Daddy Warbucks to bankroll your bills.

: Bartender, another Sterno, please.

Come to Penisula Skydivers in Westpoint VA, and I'll get you on at lease
an eight way with jumpers ranging from 25 to 7000 jumps and the only 
question they will ask you is, "Do you have enough money to pay for the
BEER you will owe?"

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From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:33:02 GMT


In article <1jledoINNdju@shelley.u.washington.edu>, miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Miolnir) writes:
|>In article <9301192210.aa11028@ingate.microsoft.COM> garrettt@microsoft.com (Garrett Tolsma) writes:
|>>...
|>>Could I be putting my pilots licence at risk if I break a FAR while 
|>>jumping ? (Like exiting the aircraft above the cloud base).  I know it 
|>>sounds kind of ridiculous, but some of the FAA horror stories that I've 
|>>heard from other jumpers/pilots makes me wonder ...
|>{
|>The only reg I see in the FAR's that actually applies to the jumper
|>says that you can't throw anything out of the plane unless "reasonable
|>precautions" are taken to prevent damage to persons or property on the
|>ground.  I think wearing a chute satisfies that requirement.  For the
|>most part the tower isn't out to bust you and the regs leave a lot
|>up to the pilots discretion.  As a matter of principle I avoid TCA's
|>and the like unless I'm IFR just so I don't have to mess with them.
|>Just don't do anything blatantly stupid and you'll be fine.
|>...
|>miolnir

Even if you just look at FAR 91 (the one most likely to be looked at by
small plane pilots) you can find more relevant rules than that.  Look at
the one that talks about repack requirements for parachutes.

More directly relevant to the original question is FAR 105.  A number of
the rules there -- such as the one relating to cloud clearance -- contain
phrases of the form "no person shall make, and no pilot shall permit
to be made, a parachute jump that...".  The implication is clear: if such
a rule is violated, BOTH the jumper and the pilot are at risk from the FAA.
And for a pilot, one of the risks is loss of license...

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From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: Porter (was: Re: Pull time "safety")
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:21:37 GMT
Summary: The Herd


Just thought I'd mention that The Herd's Porter really did
arrive this year and really does work.  Honest.  It's not
just a joke anymore.  They really do have one.  I've seen
it.  It flies.
From: egyed@LNS62.TN.CORNELL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: *** FLASH *** Respond to skydiving on ESPN *** FLASH ***
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:36:29 GMT
Organization: Wilson Lab, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY, 14853
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This is the letter I sent to ESPN after today's airing
of the Freestyle Championship.

I encourage you to send a similar letter to them.
They base their decisions whether to air a program
on viewer's responses. If you want to see skydiving
on national tv (if you don't, you woudn't be reading
this group), send your letter (or just change
the name in my letter, I don't care, it's not copyrighted).
---
ESPN                                 23rd January, 1993.
ESPN Plaza
Bristol, CT 06010

Dear Sir,

  Your coverage of the 1992 Freestyle Championship, which
aired on January 23, 1993, 2 pm EST, was a great program!
I am happy to see skydiving on ESPN, and it is a factor
in my decision to keep watching this station.
It is the kind of program which makes ESPN the best in sports stations.

   Sincerely

         Zoltan Egyed
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From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel)
Subject: SKYDIVE BBS List
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:27:00 GMT

Since it's too cold to jump here, I finally got around to producing a list
of FidoNet BBSes that carry this newsgroup.  I would appreciate any 
corrections/additions to the list from you FidoNet folks out there.

This list is almost certainly not complete because I built it from addresses
I've seen posted.  I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers out there in FidoNet.
If you are a FidoNet lurker, please post a message from your BBS and include
the phone number ... thanks.

Blue Skies,
Hector Mandel, C-20629
Moderator, FidoNet SKYDIVE echo

Here is the list:

FidoNet BBBS Name	Location	SysOp		Phone
=============================================================================

SWEDEN
========
SITI_(S)BBS_Line_1	Gothenburg	Hans_Falkeman	46-31-254810

KDT BBS			Kungalv		Berndt_Hybner	46-303-59397

 

CANADA
========
Akasha's BubbleBath
& Magic Potion Emporium	Ottawa,Ontario	Susan_Duncan	1-613-744-5750

Deep Cove BBS		Surrey_BC	Wayne_Duval	1-604-536-5889


USA
========
D'Bridge 
Skydiving School	Middletown,OH	Chris_Irwin	1-513-424-5167

Cloud Nine BBS		Houston,TX	Ed_Lucas	1-713-856-1826

Star Factory Systems	Colorado	Ric_Schwandt	1-719-591-5333
			Springs,CO

The Federal Post	Spring-LakeNC	Frank_Koza	1-919-436-2055

The Drop Zone BBS	Rockville,MD	Michael_Sanders	1-301-230-1191

Byte Swap		Decatur,AL	Jeff_Fuller	1-205-355-2983

Cloud Chamber		Philo, IL	Hector Mandel	1-217-684-2081

The Decatur Connection	Decatur,IL	Bob Andrews	1-217-864-3367

Graffiti
on the BBS Wall		Lafayette_IN	Jim Gitzen	1-317-448-2842

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Skydiving in French
Keywords: Foreign Language 
Organization: University of Denver
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 04:52:21 GMT

I thought Case of Beer was universal.

Tim

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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: CYPRES
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To: skydive@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:57:00 GMT

Reply-to: Ed@p7.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Ed)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!cs.ubc.ca!tess

Markus Tessmann writes; > Wait, are we talking about the same Tom Piras?
> I think that looking cool is way too important in this sport and the
> whole
> "god" syndrome is evidence of that.  I think most of us go through a god
> phase where we feel invincible. Fortunately, most live through it.
 
This sounds like a pretty shitty thing to say about a deceased brother who
contributed so much to our sport, & was'nt too much of a "God" to
to work with low timers.    shame on you.

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From: shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Followup-To: news.groups
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:14:28 GMT

rec.outdoor.skydiving?  Sounds like news group only for floaters.  How
about divers, people who are indoor?

Hiroto
From: dpuchals@engin.umich.edu (Douglas Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Winter
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:39:45 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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Well, fully back from Sunny California to Depressing Michigan.
Hopefully winter quits early.  I used to just hate the cold, but
now I *hate* it.

Hi Allen, Mark and Paul.

-Doug Puchalski
 Finally D-15092
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From: joe@avs.com (Joe Peterson)
Subject: Re: Skyblazin
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:55:14 GMT

Rudolph R. Zung (ru+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Anyone when is the repeat telecast on ESPN? I kind of missed it when I got
: called out all of a sudden by the local Search and Rescue group to look for
: a down plane and didn't have chance (totally forgot in my hurry to get out
: of my apartment) to set the VCR.

Sorry if this is a dup...

I called ESPN at (203) 585-2236, and they said this will be shown
Feb. 28th at 7:30 PM EST for 1/2 hour.

				Joe (D-13839)
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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: Out of Jail
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 14:11:15 GMT

Reply-to: Ed@p7.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Ed)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!zephyr.cair.du

> From: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol (Jumpin Dude)
> villano_d@sol.rtsg.mot.com (villano_d) writes:
>>Hey ,I 've heard a rumor that Roger Nelson is out of jail (SKYDIVE
> SANDWICH).
>>If so does he intend to open a DZ in the Chicago area and where? God
> knows we need it. Maybe he'll open one in the Denver area!
 
Cool! Maybe I can get a FB# now! 

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From: d6jvb@dtek.chalmers.se (Johan von Boisman)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Porter (was: Re: Pull time "safety")
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:33:13 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

dude@losers.hacktic.nl (Dude) writes:

>In article <C0ww08.ED2@vti.com>, Mark Smith writes:

>MA> This months "Flying" magazine (Feb93, volume 120, number 2) front
>MA> page story was all about the Pilatus Porter.  It is subtitled "Ugly

>I've done all my jumps (SL) from that plane, and liked it a lot,
>....
>Blue skies,

>                  Dude


I've said it before, and here it comes again:

We have a Pilatus Porter for sale. Contact me for details.

Johan von Boisman          Chalmers University of Technology
d6jvb@dtek.chalmers.se     Gothenburg, SWEDEN
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From: javhar@wsinfo01.win.tue.nl (Jack v Rijswijck)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Q: AFF safety
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:11:56 GMT
Reply-To: javhar@win.tue.nl


Could anyone give me more info about the AFF method? I've read the FAQ but I've
also been told that this is a very dangerous method and outlawed in most
states. Is it? At which sites can I do this AFF method if it isn't?
I'm looking for dropzones in the Fargo (ND) area, specifically Sauk Centre.

Please email me if you can give me any information. Thanx!

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|         Jack van Rijswijck                javhar@win.tue.nl          |
|         Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands          |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| this is a crisis. a large crisis. in fact, if you've got a moment,   |
| it's a twelve storey crisis with a magnificent entrance hall,        |
| carpeting throughout, twenty-four hour service and an enormous sign  |
| on the roof saying `this is a large crisis'.                         |
|                                            captain edmund blackadder |
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From: scrutton@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: CLOUDS, CLOUDS, CLOUDS.
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:42:00 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <4fLQPcG00WB6IG0lYX@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Danny A. Rossi" <dr25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> Wine, wine, wine, that's all you sighted skydivers do, "I want to see the 
> ground," "it's too dark, it's to cloudy".  Sheesh! just do what I do, 
> close your eyes and go.  (GRIN).

> Dan Rossi B-#14030

I feel like a trout but how do you get a B license when you're blind?
Isn't spotting, like, impossible?

I think anyone should be able to jump given proper precautions 
(and I'm certainly not qualified to guess what they should be) but
this seems a little far out, especially coming on the tail of the
recent AAD psych.

-- 
-Jeff scrutton@ac.dal.ca	Dalhousie University Oceanography Dept.
From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Miolnir)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 02:58:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan21.153302.12491@engage.pko.dec.com> koning@koning.enet.dec.com writes:
>




>
>More directly relevant to the original question is FAR 105.  A number of
>the rules there -- such as the one relating to cloud clearance -- contain
>phrases of the form "no person shall make, and no pilot shall permit
>to be made, a parachute jump that...".  The implication is clear: if such
>a rule is violated, BOTH the jumper and the pilot are at risk from the FAA.
>And for a pilot, one of the risks is loss of license...
>
Open mouth insert foot.  Boy'd i blow that one.  Guilty on all counts
of not reading the right FARS.
miolnir
From: pvf@alantec.com (Paul Fries)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:56:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.153302.12491@engage.pko.dec.com> koning@koning.enet.dec.com writes:

>More directly relevant to the original question is FAR 105.  A number of
>the rules there -- such as the one relating to cloud clearance -- contain
>phrases of the form "no person shall make, and no pilot shall permit
>to be made, a parachute jump that...".  The implication is clear: if such
>a rule is violated, BOTH the jumper and the pilot are at risk from the FAA.
>And for a pilot, one of the risks is loss of license...

Just to elaborate on the thought...

Relating to the question of about a jumper's pilot's
certificate being in jeopardy if an FAR is broken while
jumping...

As the previous post mentions, the FAR says, "no person
shall make, and no pilot shall permit to be made, a
parachute jump that..."

The FAR does not say that the pilot need necessarily be the
pilot of the aircraft that is involved.  The way I read it,
if an illegal jump is made BY A PILOT, that pilot's
certificate may be in jeopardy, even though the jumper was
not the pilot of the jump ship.

I would not be too surprised if the FAA even went after the
certificate of a DZ owner who, even while on the ground,
allowed an FAR to be broken.

Of course, there would probably need to have been a really
significant incident or accident to have occurred for this
to be the case.  Nonetheless, the point is that I think
that, under the appropriate circumstances, the FAA could
try to do it if it really wanted to do so.

It is my belief that the FAA would like all pilots to help
ensure that the FARs are followed.  By jeopardizing the
certificate of ANY pilot that is remotely involved, they
encourage that level of participation.

Paul Fries
pvf@alantec.com
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: CRW Question
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:15:22 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <wine-220193180237@sed3.nrl.navy.mil> wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil (jim ) writes:

>While I have not done CRW, it is my understanding that some CRW folk do not
>use sliders and still others will not use a deployment bag.  This would be
>for the same reason that BASE jumpers omit those items: opening speed. 
>Since you are opening right out of the plane, the slider is not ness. at
>slow air speeds.

If they aren't using sliders or bags it may also have to do with performance
after opening. A slider 'pinches' the canopy, decreasing performance, and
creates a lot of wind resistance. A bag could be one more thing to worry
about during docks and transitions. 

Bob Church
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Your Company
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:33:04 GMT

SKYDIVE (ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE) wrote:
: I noticed you work for the Virtual Corp. Is that the software company
: that makes "Virtus Walk Thru". 

No.

I don't know exactly how your fidonet connection works, but generally you
would probably want to "email" this kind of note directly to me instead of
"posting" it to the entire known universe through the internet.  Do you have
a direct email address? (I don't think ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE
is it).

You may send email directly to me using you-internet-gate-way!vti.com!mark
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