HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject:  puthirkal
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:08:32 GMT


(1) yaanaikki pathinEzhe kaal. eppadi ?
(2) muthal erumbu colliyathu: enakku pinnal irandu
    erumbukal varukinrana. irandavathu erumbum, moonravathu
    erumbum ithaiyE thiruppik koorina. eppadi caathiyam?
 If you feel this as silly stuff or if you know the answers
hit `n' now.(reminds me: If you are calling from a touchtone
phone, press 1 now) Others hit space bar.















(1) 17 x 1/4 = 4 1/4. yes. yaanaikki naalE kaal.
(2) avai oru vattaththil pOyk kondirunthana

Cheers,
Venkat
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat)
Subject: Re: I HATE S.C.T
Keywords: THREADS, Blah Blah...
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:20:44 GMT

In article <92Aug19.202953.21870@acs.ucalgary.ca> provine@enel.ucalgary.ca (Joseph Provine) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>Why too many threads these days on S.C.T. over sensitive issues?
>Promote the culture but donot develop hatred among yourselves.
>Look at people from other countries. They donot fight among themselves
>on these issues. When it was S.C.I. it was which state was the best...
>S.C.T. it is which caste is the best. COme on friends. GROW UP.
>Now, No threads as RE: I HATE S.C.T
>S.C.T was more like a good tamil magazine initially, but now ???
>WAKE UP.
>
>Regards.
>
>Joseph Provine.
>
>

I agree with you. The group started off as a progressive cultural group.
It has degenerated into an arena now. First it was Tamil Eelam, then some
brahmin and non-brahmin bashing, then superiority of one language over
other. I too have been guitly of some such posts. I apologize and earnestly
hope that every body else understands. INDIA IS ONE COUNTRY, ALL ITS 
LANGUAGES ARE GREAT, TAMIL IS ONE OF THEM. SO LET US TALK ABOUT TAMIL
NAD FORGET SUPERIORITY. 

Dinkar.
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Reservation for temple priests
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:22:03 GMT

In article <l90hejINNfi0@nunki.usc.edu> nraju@usc.edu (Narayanan Raju) writes:
>Mr. Sundar writes
>>        You might know the Supreme court ruling in Tamil Nadu Brahmins
> >       Association vs Tamil Nadu Govt during  DMK regim on 'who is
>>        eligible to become a temple priest'. The ruling was that non-
>>        brahmins are not eligible even if they are qualified. Reservation
>>        hater RT, please note the 100% resevation at least for this
>>        profession. May be this is following the bright idea of Rajaji:
>>        The 'kulak kalvi thittam'. 
>
>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>
>
>There are non-Brahminical temples as well. The Supreme court doesn't
>let Brahmins perform poojas there.
	
	Tamil Nadu assembly passed a legislation authorising all castes people
	to perform poojas in the temples under Tamil Nadu Endownment board.
	The non-brahminical temples don't come under this, becaus there is
	an income criterian. Before anyone pointing out some non-brahminical
	temples with high imcome, let me say Chidambaram Natarajar temple
	is also exepmted from this. So the issue about non-brahminical
	temples didn't come before Supreme court. 
>
>Christians have 100% reservation for the the post of Christian priests.
>		so do the Muslims
>		so do the Brahmins
	First two are understandable. By the same arguement shouldn't it be
	Hindus in Hindu temples?.
>		so do the the various non-Brahminical communities.
>	(the only difference between various Hindu communities and, Christians 
>and Moslems, is that the Hindu communities accept and worship other gods while
>the Christians and Moslems don't. Hindus worship Jesus, Allah, even Virgin Mary,
>whom the Christians don't worship: eg. Annai Vellankanni. In other words
>Hindus do not belong to a single community)
>
	This is because not just broad mindedness of Hindus. Mosques and 
	churches let everyone inside. But the boards like 
	'hindukkaL allaadhavarkaL piravecikkak koodaadhu' are not uncommon in
	Hindu temples.

>
>
>Temples priesthood go by the community that owned it historically just
>like how land and property goes.

	Why not we extend this to other profession oriented education too. 
	For example,

	Leather technology - Muslims, paRaiyar, chakkiliyar
	Textile technology - kaikkOlar, devaangar
	Metallurgy         - karumaar, thattaar
	Medicine           - ambattars
	Veterinary, dairy  - idaiyar
	
	
>DON'T MISINTERPRET JUSTICE.

	It is upto you to call the supreme court ruling JUSTICE OR INJUSTICE.
	I withdraw my misinterpretation if I did.
>
>
>Raju
>raju@spock.usc.edu

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: Uniform transliteration: vote pro/con
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.185130.21129@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu writes:
>|> My own answers are:
>|> 1) Yes.  2) Adami.
>|> 
>My answers are.
>
>1) yes. 2) ITRANS.
>
[[[ stuff about where to get ITRANS deleted]]]

>We have to see if the majority of the netters have facilities to
>use itrans or adami. Even if we choose to use either of them in
>SCT (based on majority or the quality), then we have to use itrans 
>or adami in such a way that the netters who are using the other 
>transliteration scheme should have very little problems. i.e. whenever 
>possible we have to use the trasliteration which is common to both 
>itrans and adami.
>-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan

This is a good idea. This will make it easy to translate from ADAMI to
ITRANS automatically. A few weeks back I was working on this and had to
postpone because of various reasons. An important point is that
ADAMI has quite a bit of intelligence built into it (like using the
correct "n" at the appropriate time etc), this makes it a bit difficult
to go from ADAMI-->ITRANS, but the other way is easy, as the programmer
can always pick the ``correct'' transliteration.

My answer is
1) Yes
2) I'd use whatever the majority decides (it means
do not count my vote for #2)

Ramesh has a wonderful suggestion. Both ITRANS and ADAMI have lots of common
things in their transliteration table (TT) and effort should be made to write
using these common things. Here is ITRANS TT. Someone please post ADAMI TT.

a, aa/A
i, ii/I
u, uu/U
e, E
ai
o, O
au
q

ka/ga	cha	ta/da	dha/tha	pa/ba	Ra	-- vallinam
nga	nya	Na	na	ma	n^a	-- mellinam
ya	ra	la	va	za	La	-- idaiyinam

sha	(eg. bAdhusha)
sa	(eg. bas = for pErun^dhu)
ja	(eg. jUn = for june)
ha	(eg. havus = for house)
xa/ksha	(eg. raxa = for raksha bandhan!)

S_Bala
From: sri@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (SRITHARAN K)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tamil Names - A request
Keywords: Surname Given Name
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:24:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Swinburne University of Tech., Melbourne, Australia.



One of my friend is interested in giving a short but
meaningful tamil name to his newy born baby boy.

Can someone in the SCT netters suggst some meaningful
tamil names and the meantime it can be pronounced by
westerners easily.

I believe it will help lot us.


Sri
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: Tongue twisters (naamadakkigaL?)
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:42:25 GMT

In article <514@vercors.frec.bull.fr> prabhu@vercors.frec.bull.fr writes:
> Does any one have a collection of Thamizh tongue twisters? 
[naa madakkigal deleted]
> Has anyone tried these after having a large chunk of ice-cream?
> BTW, How does one call them in thamizh? If it does not exist,
> how about naamadakkigaL.
> 
 "naa madakkigal" word seems to be good. I don't have any other tongue 
twister. But to stress "zha", I heard this one:
"viyazhakkizhamai uzhavan kaiyil irunthu vaazhaippazham nazhuvi
keezhE vizhunthathu."
And there is another one with la,La and zha which I don't remember.

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kaaval theivam
Date: 13 Aug 1992 20:10:57 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



>>
>>             [Thattungal; Thirakkapadum. Kellungal; Kodukkapadum :-)]
>>


>      thattungal, thirakkappadum

>I saw that scribbled on one of the walls in Madras. There was a footnote too:

>  thirakkaatha kathavugal udaikkappadum


                 What is your point? If you had any...
                     

>-- Ravi  

  BK


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: gshah@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: INFO REQ FOR GEORGIA STATE UNIV(ATLANTA)
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:04:49 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Hi! I am Gopal Shah from U. Of Toledo. I want few details about Georgia State
Univ. as one my freind is admitted for fall term '92.
1. Housing info: Incluyding rent, and expenses for utility bills. How many
students share an apt.?
2. On campust job Info. How is the scene for on-campus and off-campus jobs.
What is an hourly rate for both type of jobs?.
3. When should my freind arrive to Atlanta?
4. Who picks the student from the airport?
5. Is there any Indian students association?
Any help will be appriciated much. Thanx in advance.
Gopal Shah
GSHAH@UOFTO2.UTOLEDO.EDU
From: sankar@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Mahalingam Sankararaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Reservation
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:03:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


In the context of the reservation based on the caste
system, it is interesting to note the recent ruling of the
Indian Supreme Court in the case of Mohini Jain
vs. a private medical school in Karnataka. In an article
in the India Abroad, "Capitation Fees: Money vs. Merit",
dated August 21, 1992, Nupur Basu writes...

begin quote

In a landmark judgment last month the court said the
concept of capitation fees was "wholly abhorrent to
Indian culture, heritage and the Constitution."

It restrained state-recognized private colleges from
charging more than what was charged in government-run
colleges, and said the practice of accepting capitation
fees struck at the constitutional guarantee of equal
educational opportunities.

Decrying the "class bias" when money determined admission,
the decision said: "The only method of admission to
medical colleges in consonance with fair play and equity
is by way of merit and merit alone."...

end quote 

Does this ruling implies that reservation on the basis of
caste is also unconstitutional?

Is there a constitutional amendment to provide reservations?


Sankar
From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Kanchi Aacharya
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:16:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu





   [******' crap [daily dose] deleted]

   Atleast that fellow has brains; rather had brains. Unlike our LTTE 
   miscreant. Poor fellow! Some upper-caste headmaster must have beaten
   him black and blue in his childhood. Now he is taking it out on the 
   rest. Or rather has had a very scarred life. What with cyanide and
   all that! I never knew an asylum would be granted for terrorists.
   Maybe they didn't know then. Not too late yet.  

   BK
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: SpicMacay:Indian Dance(ODISSI):LEC-DEM:AUG 19:FREE
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:38:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

           	 One of the foremost Indian Classical Dancers
			  The Great Odissi Exponent


                             SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI



                        Wednesday Aug. 19, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
 		       Titan pavilion A, University Center
			  California State University
                                   Fullerton

			**ALSO AT:
			  Peterson Hall, Room 103
			  UC, SAN DIEGO. August 20th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
			**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 748-6353 (Kartik)
                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: ananthan@usc.edu   (Kartik)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. She illustrates
her explanations with demonstrations of each action (mudra) even as she
talks.

The audience will be sitting on the floor, close to the artist. It might be
a good idea to get your own cushions.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------
From 91 Freeway
Take 57 N. (Pomona), Exit Nutwood Avenue. Take left at exit (lights)
right on State College Blvd.
First Right on Dorothy Lane
Immediate Left and go on to Parking Lots A & B.

parking Fee is $2 per car.

---
from 60 Freeway.
Take 57 South, Exit Nutwood. Right at exit and follow above directions.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: KANCH ACHARYA - SATI ETC.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.183447.13442@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>In article <BtAM60.48s@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>>In article <19794@plains.NoDak.edu> ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>	Now My Request to Mr.Meenan :
>>>
>>>		Eventhough I have read Deivathin Kural I don't
>>>		remember each and every page of it. Can you
>>>		please quote the Volume, Page where Acharya
>>>		has supported SATI and ANIMAL SACRIFICE. I
>>>		am of the opinion that Acharya would have
>>>		never supported SATI. Please give us the
>>>		exact refernece. If you can not tell immediately
>>>		please tell me when it will be possible for you
>>>		to give the exact reference. Who ever supports
>>>		SATI is a BARBARIAN. No matter HOW Great He is
>>>		otherwise. But as you have said "BRAIN DEAD" etc
>>>		please give me the volume and page number. If
>>>		you don't have the proof atleast accept it.
>>>
>>>		I have very high respect for Sri.Chandrasekara
>>>		Saraswathi Swamigal so far. If you can prove
>>>		that he has supported SATI, I will definitely
>>>		change my opinion about him.
>>>
>>>		Expecting a reply just with page number etc.
>>>		Don't say he said that here, there etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>PK
>>
>>
>>I read the book 'theyvaththin kural' sometimes last year, borrowing it
>>from the Toronto Temple Library.  I think there are 4 volumes, of which 
>>I read only one.  This book was recommended by a friend  who took me to
>>this library.
>>
>>From what I remember, I think I took out the Vol. 1.  The language was
>>a mixture of Tamil generously sprinkled with English and Sanskrit 
>>words.  I stopped reading further, when I read the fact that 
>                                                    ^^^^
>>widows burned on the husband's pyre go to the abode of husband/heaven/etc
>>and the fact that the animal sacrificed also reach heavn.  I am sorry
>         ^^^^
>>I am unable to give you exact page numbers off-hand.  However, I will
>>try and furnish you with further information soon.
>>
>>Please bear with me.
>>
>>Meenan Vishnu
>
>  One would get an impression that you are supporting Sati
> and animal sacrifice if you say that you read the FACTS
> `Widows burned with their husbands go to heaven' and
> `Animals sacrificed in the yagas go to heaven'. You should
> have used the word `saying' instead which means that you
> read the sayings of Kaanchi Sankaracharya supporting sati
> and animal sacrifice in yagas. As it stands, your posting
> is a contradiction to your earlier posting criticizing these
> two sayings of Kaanchi Aacharya as `crap'.
>                                                  S.Pandian.
>                                          sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>


Yes, indeed it is a very wrong use of words.  Please replace 
the word 'fact' with the phrase 'brahmanical claim'.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Meenan Vishnu
From: rammohan@usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Flames in SCT
Date: 19 Aug 1992 13:09:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

	Tharpozhuthu SCT vil periya por nadanthu kondirikkirathu!
Atharku karanam yenna inru yozhikkamal sila periya manitharkal yenna
vendumanaalum yezhythukirarkal.
Karanam yenna, athai arambithathu yaru?

Meenan vishnu ponra manitharkal than ithai arambittharkal?Athai sutti
kattuvathillai.Yen?
yen enral avar oruvarin Ph.D thesisilruntha athai yezhuthikirar?
avarukku enna , periya manithargal jalra poda thayaraga
irukkirarkal.avar enna vendumaanalum ezhuthalam. "Brain dead" ponra
varthaikalai upayogikkalam, aanal oruvarum onrum solla mattarkal.
oru periya mailil intha mathiri sorkal upayogikkakodathu endru koori,
marupadiyum jalra poda arambitthuviduvarkal.
	naan ethavathu mail anuppinal , athu nadakkave mudiyathu enru
kutram veru sachtruvarkal, yen , ivarkal pola naan oru Ph.D
thesisilirunthu athai yezhuthavillai.Inimayilirunthu yelloram mudhalil 
"Naan ezhuthuvathellam unmai, unmai thavira veru ondrum illai" endru
ezhuthivittu piragu subjectai thodaravum.appozhuthavathu nambukirarkala
illaiya endru parpom?

	"vathiyare, enna intha payan ippadi koovi konde irukkiran enru
yozhikkariya.avana vittu thallu.naan oru nalla idea tharen kettuku.
SCT enkira perai, SCST, allathu BCT, allathu OBCT, allathu MBCT enru
matthiduvom. apparum entha payanavathu vaya thorakirannu
parpom.thoranthu kisidivom.enna sollare?!!!!!





Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Subject: Re: A THREAT from a boneless tiger in the net
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:12:37 GMT

In article <BtAKvK.34M@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
>
>The followers of Brahmanism has a very pecular method of suppressing 
>their opponents.  Some examples in history are:
>
>(1)  ...Many women were involved in the struggle, including Periyar's
>     wife. Some of the Bramin men went naked in front of them to shame 
>     them... 

	Perhaps you should come out and define what you mean by Brahminism
	(since you seem to have the definitive evidence as to the origins
	of the caste system, I also suggest that you write a book on the
	subject. You will gain instant recognition seeing that scholars
	are very divided on the subject - but this is an aside) and who
	its followers are.

	Re: Brahmin men going naked in front of the many women involved in
	the "struggle", if true, it would appear that both sides had their 
	share of crudity. After all EVR once arranged for a "brahmin" man
	to cut his pooNool and urinate on a piLLaiyar idol during a procession
	in Kumbakonam. Let us also not forget the posters depicting various
	hindu gods copulating, at a DK procession, that CHO was prevented
	from presenting in his magazine. Ryerson represents that breed of
	scholars who take it for granted that anyone fighting for social
	change is worthy of praise and goes on to find something to sing
	his praises about. It is his kind that wrote of a Pol Pot or a Mao
	Zedung in glowing terms. EVR was intellectually bankrupt. He was 
	rightly outraged by the injustices he saw but he wasn't equipped
	to deal with it rationally. So much for a celebrated rationalist!

	As long as we are on the subject of a "Dravidian" hero, let me
	mention that soon after MGR parted company with the DMK, MalayaLee-
	owned businesses in Madras came under attack by our Dravidian culture
	guards. When I visited Madurai two years ago, I saw explicit wall
	graffiti suggesting that pApAthis be raped (peNdALungaL!). Here's
	"Dravidian" culture for you in a nutshell. 

							- Nagarajan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN)
Subject: Re: Please be Accurate to avoid flame wars.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:27:10 GMT

In article <l908k1INNcvu@aludra.usc.edu> rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
>	Mr.M.P.Krishna Raj,
>		Let me tell you that my neighbor, who supposedly
>belongs to the backward caste(even though he is a well off
>person,economically) got into guindy, after getting 24/50 in the
>entrance exam and 43% , while my brother with 42/50 in the entrance
>exam and 94% still could not get into any govt college.Are you trying

If that is true, it is very sad. I know for sure that there is a minimum
of 120/200 to be scored in Physics, Chemistry, and Maths (for Engg.)
and 140/200 in all of these put together. This is the minimu marks
required for applying for Engg. as for as, to use your term, backward
castes are concerned. And for athithiraavidars the minimums required for
professional courses were, I think,  100/200 (i.e. 50%). This was true,
at least, during the academic years ending 1983,84, and 1985 and in 1989.

I do not understand how that person got into guindy with 43% (which is
86/200). If I must believe you, then I would think that since that person
is economically well off (as you say) he would have wielded money power.
Please understand that in that case it does not matter if that person is
from backward caste or not.

S_Bala

[[[ rest of the article <personal attacks> deleted ]]]

>ram
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Curious minds wants to know... tamil..?
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:18:42 GMT

In article <2872@ucl-cs.uucp> B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
>
>Curious mind wants to know - What is the use of creating s.c.t and a.c.t 
>if every article is simulatenouly posted on SCI as well :-)?. - Viswas.

Good question.  Any answers ?


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil