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From: nlp54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: IIT Bullshit
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:04:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.125950.28436@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
>I am the only one getting fed up reading all this bullshit about IIT?
>From the sounds of it, you would think man would still have been up
>in the trees if it hadn't been but for the grace of IIT to save
>humanity.  I am getting sick and tired of hearing all this bullshit
>from `IITians' (shouldn't it be IIT graduates??) about India losing
>all it 'gifted' engineers.  GIVE ME A BREAK!!! You would think that
>all of India's best minds somehow end up at an IIT.  Talk about
>arrogance!!! With something like 850 million people, these upper
>class,elitist IIT graduates somehow feel as though they have some sort
>monoply on intelligence and ability. And poor, poor India. Won't she be
>devastated by most of these 'IITians' fleeing to the West? What will
>become of her??? India! Without her 'IITians', she will be lost! You
>should be that lucky!!!
>
>Rakesh 'IIT-Killer' Patel
>
>
>P.S. What the heck is world culture?????????????


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Rakesh!
     You forgot to say the following:
      1) Ramanujam did his doctorate at Madras IIT.
      2) Sir J.C. Bose graduated from Kharagpur IIT.
      3) Sir C. V. Raman did his research at Madras IIT and beacause of the
	 prestige of IIT only he was awarded the Nobel Prize.
      4) Haragobind Khorana did his M.Sc. at Delhi IIT.  That training got him
	 the Nobel Prize.  He is very fortunate to go to IIT.
      5) Suri Bhagavantam attended the Madras IIT and that was the reason why he
	 became the director of the IISc.
      6) T. R. Seshadri was awarded the doctorate by the Madras IIT and Bombay
	 IIT.  At Delhi IIT he learned the Natural Product Chemistry.
      7) Meghnadh Shah did his B.Sc. at Kharagput IIT.
      8) Aryabhatta studied at Bombay IIT.
      9) M.S. Swaminathan did his B.Tech. in Agric. Engg. at the Kharagpur IIT.
      10) B.P.Pal developed all his roses in the IIT Kharagpur gardens.
      11) J.B.S. Haldane did his research at all  the IITs.
      12) Birbal Sahani did his research at the Delhi IIT.
      13) V. P. Subrahmanyam learned his meteorology at the Madras IIT.
      14) Panchanan Maheswari did his pioneering research on embryology at the
	  Delhi IIT.


	  What great places IITs are?
	  There is a difference between a technician and an intellect.


	  PARANANDI LAKSHMI NARASIMHAM

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Paranandi Lakshmi Narasimham
CAS
Columbus
OH 43202

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are not those of the CAS.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: st1s0@rosie.uh.edu (Hans, Samir)
Subject: Anyone from Manipal?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:06:00 GMT




Hi guys! Is there anyone from Manipal out there? I'd love to hear from
you. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: <POLSANI@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: PEOPLE'S HIGH SCHOOL, ASHOK NAGAR/HYD
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:47:30 GMT

Looking for people who passed out in 1978 from Ashok Nagar People's High Scool.
I am Pithamber Rao. I studied in that school from 1st till the 10th class.
I case there is any one please e-mail to me at Polsani@vm.cc.purdue.edu
From: ifav422@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (abani kumar patra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: US cos. with Indian subsidiaries
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:46:03 GMT
Reply-To: ifav422@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (abani kumar patra)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ifav422@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu


I am an MBA student and I am interested in going back to India after
graduation. However I'd like to work in the US for a while before
going back to gain some practical experience. I was wondering if
there is any place/way I can get info. on US companies with Indian
subsidiaries which will provide some training in the US before
offering permanent employment in India?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Pls send replies to ifav422@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Subject: Re: Re: Islam and Science  
Reply-To: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:05:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.015059.21959@cs.yale.edu>, A. Satish Pai
<Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu>  writes:

|>God, being god, could easily have revealed the complete theory of cosmic
|>evolution and relativity and anything else at all in science to anyone he 
|>liked. What prevented him from granting a knowledge of astrophysics to all
|>the people who were to listen to his message?

I can think of many of question of this type!  Why doesnt the Lord send
down lightening bolts from the sky and fry all the non-believers?
In the world of belief, these are meaningless questions.  The only answer
is "Mysterious and wondrous are the ways of the Lord."

|>-Satish

-- Milind Saraph
                                    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Re: soc.islam
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:06:12 GMT

In article <92270.082154U11983@uicvm.uic.edu> U11983@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.062538.20551@colorado.edu>,
>paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) says:
>>
>>In article <92269.135222U11983@uicvm.uic.edu> Shyamala Parameswaran
>><U11983@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>[...]
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, but without the swipes taken at Nagarajan or Shakil - their
>>>differences in points of view notwithstanding. It didn't help
>>>your arguments at all.
>>>
>>>Shyamala Parameswaran
>>
>>
>>1] Say: O unbeliever,
>>   You have your reasons, I have mine.
>>
>
>I don't have any reasons in asking for clean polemics 

1] Hmm, which by your own admission means your request is unreasonable. :-)
   Furthermore "clean polemics" is a contradiction in terms.

Webster polemic:
po.lem.ic or po.lem.i.cal \p*-'lem-ik\ \-i-k*l\ \-k(*-)le-\ \-'lem-*-s*st\ 
   warlike, hostile, fr. polemos war; akin to OE ealfelo baleful, Gk pallein 
   to brandish 1a: an aggressive attack on or refutation of the opinions or 
   principles of another.

   But we will let that pass for now.

2] As I see it, there is no such thing as a limited ad hominem attack.
   If a poster initiates such an attack, he or she forgoes all his or her
   claims of being innocently ambushed when said he or she gets responses
   in the same vein. I am perfectly capable of responding in the manner
   I did eventually, so in my opinion this particular he or she was asking
   for it. In short, I will respond in kind. 

3] Further, in response to nagarajan, I had supplied the reasons why
   I found his responses contradictory and his statements diffuse.

   About shakil, pretty early on in the debate, I understood that he
   was applying formal logic to the written word. I disagreed with the
   method, and utilised the opportunity to show that the same methods that
   he was using could be used against his own arguments and his own words.
   When you choose your weapons you must be prepared to be attacked 
   with them. I am crestfallen that you found my responses unsatisfactory.
   

>I wish, as Mujitaba said, you'd  come off that high horse
>and admit it, occasionally.

4] I admit I ride a high horse, but I like to believe it suits me.
   I have been wrong very few times. And that is an uplifting experience. 
   I wish you could back up your statements with evidence of why I dont
   deserve a high horse.
   Else, I must assume you object to high horse qua high horse.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: ta-vg11@muddnext8.cc.columbia.edu (Vikas Gupta)
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:30:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.074207.6240@reed.edu> vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)  
writes:
> >
> >What??  FYI, IIT Kanpur (Undergraduate program) is ranked 7th in the  
world.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> 	So according to you IIT kanpur's undergraduate program
> is at par with Harvard, MIT, Yale, Cornell, Columbia, Darthmouth,
> Caltech, Oxford, Cambridge etc. Would you like to provide some
> reference to this claim, or is this another one of those "we-are-
> from-iit-so-whatever-we-say-must-be-right" claims
> 
> regards
> 
> The Phoenix
> 
> >-Shubu


FYI  I am a TA for an undergraduate course in Columbia.From the lab  
facilities given to the undergraduates I can tell you that even most of  
the private colleges and Govt.engg. colleges get a much better education  
and facilities and they are much more clearer about their subject than  
most Columbia Undergraduates.


VIKAS.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Subject: Re: Asian female ...posting in alt.sex.stories
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:19:56 GMT

none wrote:
: 
: the following is the posting .. for those who say indian babe's are frigid:
: 
: 
: Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories
: Path:
: taco!rock!stanford.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!tulane!rouge!ssk2925
: From: ssk2925@usl.edu (Kolachana Sastry S)
: 

----> other stuff deleted <----

     If you do want to write about somebody else why don't you have the
guts to post the article in your true name and with other correct particulars...

1. You posted from North Carolina State University at Raleigh.
   and not from Northern California State University  .
   I am in the California State University system and there is no
   North California State University...
2. You posted the article most probably from taco.cc.ncsu.edu
3. As your posting has an id it shouldn't be difficult for a system
   manager in your organization to locate you Mr. None
I am not going to waste my time doing so.....

Now why don't you have the guts to come out and post in your real name ?
Its probably because you don't want people to know that you read
alt.sex.stories....

Srinath
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From: bsind@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (Brijnandan S. Dehiya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Keywords: Sati
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:13:59 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <JMC.92Sep28214354@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU  
(John McCarthy) writes:
> Manoj Ghayalod includes:
> 
>      Obviously the Western form of democracy is a better system
>      than the others available and India is implementing this
>      system, but the fact remains that no former Western powers
>      ever used their systems to benifit their former colonies (as
>      the orginal poster seems to claim).  But on the contrary all
>      the colonies were ruthlessly exploited.
> 
> I did not wish to suggest taht Western powers were very often
> motivated by benevolence, although I would suppose there is
> an element of that in the 1829 suppression of sati.
> Incidentally, that is 1829, and I suppose the Indian leaders
> Manoj Ghayalod refers to were much later.
> 
> Motivations were mixed.  Individual desire to make money,
> ego and some benevolence.  Even when there was benevolence,
> part ot its motivation was a sense of superiority.  However,
> the innovations were introduced and were useful, e.g. secular
> universities, railroads and a British style judicial system -
> even cricket.
> 
> 
> --
> John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
> *
> He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
 

The call for the abolishment of sati came from within the Indian society  
and giant social reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy were instrumental in  
convincing the then Viceroy ( I think Cornwallis) to pass the law banning  
sati.The British were afraid of opposition on a mass scale on anything  
that would seem to interfere with the religious feelings of the Hindus.
As for the transport system's development , it was for the ease of  
transporting the British army and goods for the British industries that
this was done.Name ONE university which the British started in India.All  
of the Indian universities were started by Indians .
The British did not teach the Indians about the modern way of living.
The Indians LEARNED it by observing.

Brij Dehiya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:30:59 GMT

>	But I guess you are right, the education in USA is worthless. What's the point of using latest technology? I would transfer to an REC but I don't think I would meet their high standards.
>	I guess if IITs and RECs are so hard to get in, they must be excellent universities. After all isn't how good a university is directly proportional to how hard it is to get admission in that university.
>	Thank you for for your excellent advice. I should do my graduate education in an REC or IIT, for they lead the world in the field of computers.
>
>Thanks a Lot!!!
>
>Abhinav Lal
Cutting all sarcasm aside I will put my two cents worth from my personal
experience.
1. Facilities are definitely better even in an average U.S. university
than in India. But IITs do have comparable facilities i.e. not outdated.

2. IITs are a BETTER place to get an UNDERGRADUATE education than in an
average institute in USA.

WHY?
Facilities do not teach you: The teachers and your peers do. In any average
institution it will be difficult to find a more talented peer group than the
IITs can provide.

The teachers here are more talented in their RESEARCH abilities but they do
not care to teach as teaching is not beneficial to their interest in any way.
They are all invoved in the mad rush for getting grant money.

3. Any average university in USA is a BETTER place to get a GRADUATE education.
As talent is only necessary condition to do research. Facility and money are
absolutely necessary; both of these are in short suply in India.

Now if we do not try to mix apples and oranges maybe we can have discussion
instead of white noise and name calling.

Arindam
(an IITian )-: )

Arindam Ghosh		(OFF) 713-743-4524
4402 Polk #3		(RES) 713-924-3069
Houston TX-77023

Asato ma sadgamaya, Tamaso ma jyotirgamaya,
mrityorma amritam gamaya,Om santi ssanti ssantihi.
[Lead me  from unreal to real
Lead me  from darkness to light,
Lead me from death to immortality,
Peace be upon the world]
This is the Day in which God's most excellent favors have been
poured out unto men, the Day in which His most mighty grace hath
been infused into all created things. It is incumbent upon all
peoples of the world to reconcile their differences, and, with
perfect unity and peace, abide beneath the shadow of the Tree
of His care and loving-kindness...Soon will the present-day order
be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy
Lord speaketh the truth, and is the Knower of things unseen.
					Bahaullah
From: shankar@are.Berkeley.EDU (Shankar Subramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Affidavit of Support reqd for visitor visa?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 23:03:11 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

The FAQ states that form I-134 (affidavit of support) is required for
a visitor visa.  I checked with the Foreign Students Adviser here and
was told that this is obsolete and this form is no longer needed.  
In fact last year I was able to get my sister-in-law over on the basis
of a letter from me stating that I would be financially responsible for her 
stay here.  Now I sent a similar letter for my mother, but her travel agent
in Bombay seems to think the affidavit of support is essential.  I have
not been able to get through to INS in San Francisco to ask them about this.
Any information would be appreciated.
Shankar Subramanian
From: dxn@juniper.WPI.EDU (Deepak Narain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Back from India
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:51:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, WPI
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu

From chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala):
>you think of yourself, you stinking bas*****? Nee guddhala
>modda. OrE sanyasi, neeku pOye kAlam vacchindhira dunnapOtha.
>Are now able to understand what I am trying to say? My purpose
>of this posting is worth if you could understand approximately.

Now I don't understand what you are saying.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: FHERTZBERG@finabo.abo.fi (Fredrik Hertzberg Lit)
Subject: More about India
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:54:46 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23


  I have a friend named Kenneth Sillander who thinks that Borneo is
a more interesting place to go to than India. He has been to India too
but he's expreiences from there were quite negative. I told him that
the south is much better, but he told me to go to Indonesia instead
'cause the people there are much more genuine! Now could this be true,
I wonder? He also thinks that Indians are capitalists! Now that didn't
strike me at all. What do you think?
Yours sincerely, F Hertzberg, Finland.
From: venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (my father is a GUN !!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SURESH DOKI IN A BLENDER
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:31:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep29.163157.29814
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


   Dear Netters(includes Sthanumurthy)
   We are not interested in psychoanlysing
 a character like SURESH DOKI who for reasons
  known best to him  or unknown to him continues
  to nauseate the readers.
  If he is ignored nothing can be more potent
  in discouraging him,just deny him the flames
 (flames=attention) he craves for.
  But the most gratifying aspect is that he
   is only mouthing jokes that were penned
   by some one else and may not necessarily
 be an Adolf Hitler or Attila the hun.
    The saddest part is that there was
    apparently no BLENDER or MICROWAVE in
   the DOKI household when suresh was a brat.
  
 




  ALFRED E NEUMANN FOR PRESIDENT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Subject: Re: NEWS : Distortion in history textbooks opposed
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:18:57 GMT



In article <BvIxv1.D3s@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes...
>>Ya, why can't all sinhalese from sri-lanka kick the ass of all sri-lankan
>>tamils out to correct their history?
> 
>You are right.  They cannot.  ie.  You seem to be agreeing with my point
>one should not "correct historical injustice" by punishing the present
>generation.  One can only act the best he/she can now to defend his/her
>religion/culture/lanuage/etc.

Will this rule applies to brahmins also?

> 
>>
>Do not take the book I quoted as Bramin-bashing.  Phulgenda Sinha is himself a
>Bramin and has devoted his entire life for the upliftment of India,
>(unlike others who remain in US fulfilling their selfish interests). 

Ya unlike some-other who remain in Canada (after getting asylum) and fulfilling
their selfish interests and promoting terrorism and hatred.

>Would you please be kind enough to give more details about this book ?

As I mentioned I got this from SCI, so if you want more info pl post an article
in SCI.


RT
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME BABY JOKES
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:56:45 GMT

In article <1agcudINN42a@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>>	Finally!!! A correct statement!!! 
>>	Readers like "Doki" (or was it "dork") *are* sick!!! 
>>	:-|~
>>> suresh
>>	Rajat.
> 
> he he he ...a very high quality post..........(sorry, "doks" :-))
> 
> with a name like raajath jain what more can we expect  :->

    	<blush!> why...thank you ! Suuuuuch a <ahem!> nice compliment.....
	coming from *you* !!!!
     
	HAW! HAW! HAW! (oh yeah! I *am* trying to laugh loud!)
> 
> 
> suresh 
> 

rajat.

PS: hey "doks" you at WPI, me at UMASS(!!!)/Amherst, less than an hour driving 
    time, let's get together ................sometime ;-)

PPS: In order to understand why I placed "!!!" after UMASS (in upper_case), you
     gotta read r.s.bb.c........

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32239 soc.culture.pakistan:15231
From: ramamurt@arras.cs.unc.edu (Srikanth Ramamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam and Science (was Re: Islam & Rushdie -- Icarus.)
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:51:30 GMT
	<24SEP199213284949@vxcrna.cern.ch>
	<1992Sep25.174716.30530@davidsys.com>
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: UNC-Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
In-reply-to: merchant@davidsys.com's message of 26 Sep 92 01:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.174716.30530@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com 
(RukhsaIn article <24SEP199213284949@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch 
(MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
   > In article <1992Sep23.112747.30528@davidsys.com>, merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes...

   > 	Influenced by the norms of a society where one wife is the only 
   > 	acceptable attitude you are just trying to justify it from Quran 
   > 	invain. 

>   Which society are you referring to when you say "influenced by the 
>   norms of a society".  And no, I do not believe that one wife
>   is the only acceptable attitude.  I have already made my
>   views known clearly in the discussion on "Multiple Wives".
>   I do not need to justify the Quran; it speaks for itself.
    					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Truly. The bigotry, hatred, sexism and segregation preached by
    it would make Jesse Helms look like Jerry Garcia. It is a unique 
    book nonetheless. 

>   One is not forced to accept Islam, but if one does, then
>   they have to believe in all its teachings.  It is not a case
>   of believeing in some of it and letting go of some of it.
>   Its either believing in all of it or else falling outside
>   the realm of Islam.
>   > 	I wonder how you would have interpreted related Quranic verses, 
>   > 	if you were born in Saudi Royal family or Tibbat for example?.
>   Since I am not born in either, it is irrelevant.    -Rukhsana Merchant

   
    I guess that you would have interpreted the Quran to show that tying 
    kids (imported from other places) on the backs of camels is a pretty 
    nifty idea and maybe show that killing a few actors
    for acting in a play which shows Quran in a bad light is a very 
    entertaining scheme (Even though the killing was done only because of 
    some really bad acting).


-Srikanth R.


    "..Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow..."
								- FZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vysa@ceds80.ulowell.edu (Vagabond)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Massachusetts - Lowell
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:38:00 GMT

One more test....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan