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From: oysteint@ifi.uio.no (\ystein Tvedten)
Subject: Re: READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:38:04 GMT
Originator: oysteint@dyggve.ifi.uio.no


In article <90569@netnews.upenn.edu>, botelle@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin Botelle) writes:
> In article <Bv7KqA.E9I.2@cs.cmu.edu) hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill) writes:
> )
> )This newsgroup has died.  Its son/daughter newsgroup is rec.games.netrek.   
> )Check it out!!!  We'd be happy to answer all of your questions.
> 
> Don't believe him...  I mean, look at all the volume here :)
> )
> )Rob
> 
> Justin

Yeah! Enuff of those snobs in rec.games.netrek taking all our trafic from us!

Lets get this group up and moving again :)

Oystein T.
Lancelot@Mucho
From: botelle@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin Botelle)
Newsgroups: alt.games.xtrek
Subject: Re: READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS
Date: 27 Sep 92 05:45:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bv7KqA.E9I.2@cs.cmu.edu) hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill) writes:
)
)This newsgroup has died.  Its son/daughter newsgroup is rec.games.netrek.   
)Check it out!!!  We'd be happy to answer all of your questions.

Don't believe him...  I mean, look at all the volume here :)
)
)Rob

Justin
Newsgroups: alt.games.xtrek
From: gdearing@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory D Dearing)
Subject: Re: Netrek Poetry
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:13:12 GMT

An ogger whose name was Magoo
Browsed though alt.xtrek while on queue,
He jumped up in a fluster,
And screamed throught the cluster,
If I hear one more poem, I'll 'shift-Q'
----------------------------------------
True story. 

- Porkchop
-- 
Greg Dearing
Dearing.2@osu.edu
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From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
Subject: Make a friend today, send a postcard to Oz ...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:32:50 GMT

I just started to stick some old postcards on the wall at home and found
it growing into a very interesting collage, or wallpaper of sorts even. A 
great deal of interest value and a dash of nostalgia for me personally as 
well. Now although I had a fair stack, I was a little surprised at how small 
a postcard is and how large a wall is. 

So, I'd like to invite you to send me a postcard for which I will:

a) be eternally grateful
b) send one back (if desired)
c) invite you around for a cup of tea, a chat and even to stay a few days 
   (if you like ...)

Just think, you'll make your mark on my wall, and my life, and maybe
even make a friend for life. Or then again, maybe just a postcard for
your own wall ;-).

To join the revolution, just mail a postcard to me here:

Bernd Wechner
5 Charles Avenue
Minnamurra 2532
Australia

Remembering to include your own name and address if you like and see
what interesting things you can add to that. 

All the best then, and here's hoping we have some friendly people with
some motivation in the audience tonight ;-).

Ciao,

Bernd.
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: To marry (Indian) or not?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:53:25 GMT
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago

In article <1992Oct4.233842.26140@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I'll grant that refusing to deal with Indian men can be seen as
>racism, but all I'm saying is that Indian men have given my friends
>and I no reasons to go out of our way to date them.

And what are the ``no reasons?'' Well, I know we won't be hearing any
other than: ``they are sexist!'' I believe one should date one's
compatibles as well as opposites. One who finds no reasons to date a
person because of his/her race has to be a racist of sorts. Of course,
only the honest ones can admit. But honesty is not the best policy in
dating, as far as I know. In marriage? May be or yes.

Murthy
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From: popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat)
Subject: Re: Is the term "desi" appropriate?
Organization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program
	<1992Oct1.050011.10646@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<1992Oct01.154424.19588@watson.ibm.com>
	<1992Oct1.174113.1835@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:33:38 GMT


How about Bharatiya?  Sounds much better to me (and makes more sense)
than desi.

Kris Popat
MIT Rm. E15-391  Cambridge, MA  02139
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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Subject: Re: Parental authority
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:21:39 GMT

====================================
 alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) argues/answers:
>
>Q.1 Is the child deeper immersed in the host culture than the parents ?
>
>Parents have lived in the New World culture at least as long
>as the child since the child either came with them from the Old World
>or was born here.
>
>If the parents made an effort to understand the host culture by virtue
>of reading about it, observing it first hand, or via their interaction 
>with the natives here at work on neighborhoods around them, or by sitting 
>down with school authorities, or by going to school functions etc., they 
>would have as deep a knowledge of the host culture as the child, perhaps 
>even deeper.

 Agreed that parents have lived longer than the kids on this planet.
 But do they, therefore, necessarily "know" more ?

 No. Because:
 [1] Parents, usually, don't start with clean slates. They don't
     observe what is. They observe things that reinforces
     images/biases/prejudices. They are driven by fear, memories
     and experience. Not facts. 
     Kids do start with clean slates; as curious, simple, honest explorers. 

 [2] Living longer doesn't imply knowing more. After all, the parents
     do earn a living. Post on INTERNET, etc. Do parents spend same
     amount of time with the environment as the kid? I don't
     think so.
 
 [3] Living longer doesn't imply ability to know more. Evolution goes
     on. Everywhere - biological, social, psychological, intellectual..
     Kids are more, much more human than most adults I know of.

>Q.3 Doesn't the child understand the specific context of the decision 
>better than the parent ? Would the child not make better decision then ?
>......[delete cases]
>A child is subject to temptation. Child may be approached from individuals
>..[delete rest]

 Is child really subject to temptation? 
 What is the source of this temptation? 

T.Y.
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From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: Mock Elections ACUA-I Style
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:31:09 GMT

Well, you asked about racism in the Midwest...I'm not sure if Chicago
qualifies, but I'll answer anyway. :-)

In the Midwest as a whole...(I've travelled and visited in Wisconsin,
Michigan, Minnesota and Illinois so far)...I find that while Asians
are very rare, especially Indian-Asians, I have *never* come upon
overt racism towards us.  I would guess that's because we are, in the
main, curiosities...'furriners'...not to be judged on the same scale
because there are so few of us here.

In Chicago, there is a larger Indian population, but we are still
somewhat buffered from racism because most of that virulence is
directed against blacks, who comprise a much larger percentage of the
population.  Basically, I've found Chicago very tolerant towards
Asians and a pleasant community in which to work.

The University of Chicago is probably somewhat anomalous simply
*because* it is a University.  It seems to me that with the broadening
of minds that occurs at a University, especially one with a fairly
high percentage of racial diversity, one is far less likely to run
into blind racism.  This does not save us from educated racists,
however, who are unfortunately far more difficult to enlighten.  I do
highly recommend this University as an invigorating intellectual
community of equals, in which the color of your skin is very rarely a
consideration.

(I grew up in New England, in a Polish Catholic community, and I found
that the same 'furriner' situation came up.  I was the only Indian in
a school of 900 or so....I was so different that I wasn't subject to
the routine harrassment visited upon blacks and hispanics).

 - Amirthi


-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Parental authority
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:26:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.222054.7414@athena.mit.edu>, tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav) writes:
> ==========================================
> >There are parents who approach things with an open mind and
> >not driven by fear, memories or past experiences.
> 
>  Well, tell us, on what basis can you assert that? 
>  Thank you.
> 
> T.Y.
> ----
> tyadav@athena.mit.edu

I have had the occasion to meet real parents in several instances:

a) Attendance at some of the Indian organization gatherings,
in 4 parts of USA - California, Massachusetts, Texas and New
Jersey. Most significant gathering I attended was a week long 
conference "First Global Conference of Indian-Americans " in 
New York (1989). There were a number of forums for parent-child 
interaction and issues. The attitude of a significant number of 
parents was not negative and they appeared to be open minded about
American culture.

b) Meeting parents during my search for a marriage partner.
I had first hand meetings and direct talks with parents of 
prospective partners. Many of these talks dwelled on the 
issues concerning parent-children interaction as well as
the issues important to them and their children. 

I must have talked or met almost a hundred of parents in
this endeavour - sometimes only with one parent, sometimes with both
parents and other times with the parents and the girl.
These were mostly parents of IAs.

The parents usually implied that they had attempted to raise the
children so as to give them the best of both the cultures -the
American as well as their own native Indian culture.

c) I live in a neighborhood which is quite mixed - there are
White Americans, Italians, Polish, Indian families
as well as African-American and Hispanic American families.
Since I have my own house, I deal with these parents and their
children who come to me on days or things like Halloween, Easter,
school projects etc.

I have not found Indian parents that restrictive as some of you
seem to imply. I don't hear them talking about past etc.

Many of them try to compare the two cultures (American and their
own native Indian culture) and then advise their children accordingly.
This is especially true for educated parents. Business families
tend to be somewhat different and more orthodox.

Alok
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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Is the term "desi" appropriate?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:55:09 GMT

In article <POPAT.92Oct2153338@image.mit.edu>, popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat) writes:
|> 
|> How about Bharatiya?  Sounds much better to me (and makes more sense)
|> than desi.
|> 

Too many syllables. Desi is simple and good enuf.

regards,
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From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Speedy Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:19:17 GMT

In (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>Dating is not the 'odds' game. One should go on a date with a person 
>1) Because that person 'asked'.

Hmmm....I don't know about this one...if some hoodlum
just asked me out of the blue, I'd say no way.

>2) He is an honest person who wants to share some good times

OR she.

>3) There is something of value in a friendship with this person -
>there is something to learn, something to give, something to do
>together, 

Agreed.

>4) You see this person as a prospective mate.

Maybe agreed.

>> so why
>> should we go out of our way to date Indians when there are so few of
>> them compared to other Americans?
>
>1) Because they are highly educated and have a good potential for earning
>2) Because they are intelligent

So are you saying that other races aren't highly educated? I know
of quite a few dimwit indians as well as some highly intelligent
americans and those of other races!

>3) Because they are more family oriented, will take care of the kids

I could laugh at this one but I won't.  Actually, there's nothing
to laugh at...I think it really depends but most MEN I know
are NOT family oriented.  So I disagree with this one because
it emphasizes indians and I don't think most men are family-
oriented.  If any are, it could be someone of any race.

>4) They know good Indian cooking ! 

I might debate this if we were talking about my brother or cousin. :)

>5) They are independent and have accomplishments to their credits

And americans don't?  What world are you in?
What about japanese men? They're makin' accomplishments all
over the place?  And Germans? And...?

>(They made it to America) - you can be proud of them

Yeah, I'm pretty proud of my dad.

>6) They are more likely to be 'loyal'

Debatable.

>7) They are less likely to divorce, hence more stable 

Debatable.

>8) They are not 'football' fanatics 

What if you want a football fanatic?

>9) They are of Indian origin - same skin, features

Oh, there's a reason!!!!!!!  I don't know, my skin's kinda dry...
what if he doesn't have dry skin? :)

>10) Affirmative Action - give them a chance  :-)
Now - THAT's a reason!!!!!!!


Trina
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From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Speedy Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: To marry (Indian) or not?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:58:32 GMT

Ah, and she returns :):)
I'm kinda cuttin' in the middle of this one so I'll try my best
to not make irrelevant or redundant comments....

In moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>American men may be just as sexist as Indian men....but we have a
>*lot* more American men to choose from....by more than a factor of
>1000 to 1.  The odds of finding a non-sexist guy are just much higher
>if you're dating Americans.

Due to the odds, you're then just going to look at ONLY
american men and NO Indian men?  An indian may not be
sexist, while you may find an american who is?  Great
reason for dating.  Contradicts what you say below. I don't
know if this is what you're trying to say but this is
how I take it.

>>Similarly,
>>Indian men brought up here are quite likely to be empathetic to 
>>the feelings and aspirations of women on account of their own 
>>automatic lower status.
>What automatic lower status?  I have always been treated as an
>American, which I am.  While I realize that in some areas of the
>country Indians are more subject to racial prejudice, this is
>certainly not true everywhere.

I think he was talking about the men here...I could be wrong.

>Because there are far fewer of them.  And while you might reasonably
>expect II women to have more in common with II men, the whole point of
>the IA classification is that in large part we *are* Americans.  As an
>American, there is *no* reason to prefer one race over another, so why
>should we go out of our way to date Indians when there are so few of
>them compared to other Americans?

As an american there is no reason to prefer one race over another?
What does that mean?  AS AN AMERICAN?  As any race there is no
reason to prefer any race over another.  BUT, if I am to assume,
that you are saying that other races, such as the Indian race,
have reason to prefer one race over another, I would beg to differ
that americans have no reason.  Americans, just as well, DO find
reasons to pick one race over another.  Which is what in essence, I THINK,
you are saying by stating that you would not go out of your way
to date an Indian.


Regards,
Trina
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From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian (Re:To marry (Indian) or not ?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:55:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.200909.27965@menudo.uh.edu> mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>>4) They know good Indian cooking !
>
>Depends on what you call good "food".  I like Pizza. Anyways, I don't aggree.
>Very few of my friends (guys IA & II) have any concept of cooking.  We sort
>of let mom or McDonalds do the cooking.

My roommate and I cook for ourselves, and it's hearty Indian food almost
every night.  If you're ever in town, drop by.  You're all invited.

Seriously.

Manish

... and there are always two dishes at my table ... :-)
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From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Liberal politicians can be racists too
Organization: -
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:48:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.193024.29379@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>In article <26SEP199201453227@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu> sklautky@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Stephen Klautky) writes:
>
>>The question I have about racial diversity goes like this:
>>Is the act of increasing the racial mix of a select population,
>>such as university students, sufficient for broadening the horizons
>>of the attendees?  Or, do you have to do more?
>
>It is not sufficient, but it is necessary; it is the basis of racial
>education.  However, I don't believe in mandatory racial sensitivity
>education or anything of the sort; you have to do more, but it should
>be left up to you rather than mandated by the university.
>
>Manish

I feel as long as different racial groups do not isolate themselves,
such as staying close to separate student unions and so on, increasing 
the racial mix will have a positive effect on reducing racism, but 
it takes time.

I also feel campuses are better melting pots than the mainstream society
as students of many races have similar goals and people are more open to
ideas when they are in college than later in life. I totally agree with 
Manish this is not something which can be mandated. 

Raghavan

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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: To marry (Indian) or not?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:14:02 GMT

>In article <1992Oct2.224720.8216@athena.mit.edu>, nergis@athena.mit.edu (Nergis Mavalvala) writes:
>> 
>> (no, im not trying to claim that the U.S, or any country for that matter
>> is free of sexism and glass celings, just that a female boss would be 
>> more common here than in India where women managers are 
>> virtually non-existent)
>

In India, a very large number of proffs/lecturers in some of 
the best universities (IITs) are women while here in US there 
are very few (sorry, I don't have the numbers to back this up but this 
was debated for some time on sci and numbers were provided then). I have 
worked in 3 different firms and all of them had women managers at the very 
top levels. In medical schools and several good Buisness management schools, 
the women outnumber the men (the ratio is however still very pitiable in 
Engg. colleges) and almost half the younger generation doctors in India 
are now women. 

regards,
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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Subject: Re: Parental authority
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:20:54 GMT

==========================================
 To:
>>  No. Because:
>>  [1] Parents, usually, don't start with clean slates. They don't
                 ~~~~~~~
 alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>Your prejudice about parents is showing. You have stereotyped parents.
                                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>There are parents who approach things with an open mind and
>not driven by fear, memories or past experiences.

 Well, tell us, on what basis can you assert that? 
 Thank you.

T.Y.
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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: Mock Elections ACUA-I Style
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: /usr/ug/1993/msanghvi/.organization
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:00:16 GMT


In article <5736@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

   Time to distract the posts away from the "coming of age" thread.

Good idea and about time too...

   Is there any interest in having a mock presidential election?

I for one am definately interested

   I thought it might be interesting to find out how people on the
   net might vote. 

   Has anyone tried this before? I figured that we can have someone 
   be the protagonist and antagonist for each cadidate (currently
   Clinton & Bush but perhaps Perot). One person would volunteer to
   tally the votes, etc. Give me your ideas.

I could help tally the votes. 

   Oh yeah, a few other thoughts while I'm at it. I was in Minneapolis
   last week, and noticed how homogeneous the society was there. Though,
   I saw a few Asians (desis also), there were very few. I've been living
   in DC for a while now and guess that I'm pretty spoiled with all of 
   the different cultures in this area. It must be significantly different
   living someplace in the Midwest as a minority than on either coast.

Cincinnati, Ohio counts as Midwest and there werent that many desis there when
i was living there 5 years ago....but that didnt stop one prof at UC from
being racist. According to him because I was a desi I should not have made
stupid mistakes on my exams....stupid mistakes for which a helluva lot of
points were taken off....of course the American students (white, black and
hispanics) were not so heavily penalized. The prof was white. I have had other
encounters with racism out here in the Boston area but I was very much
shocked by the incident in Cin'ti. 

   I told one desi in MN that although the people were reasonably friendly,
   I don't think that I could live there. Any comments?
   I did like the Summit Pale Ale from St. Paul though. :-)

Any place where Molson Golden is available is fine by me :)

   Let me know 'bout the elections,
   Ron
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