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From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re: No hay mucho tiemp
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What chance! On one of my rare Words-L forays I bump into Anne
Diffily on one of her rare Words-L forays. Anne--hang in there
with 3-month-old fussy! Our Martin serenaded us at supper every
night until after his 3rd month and things got easier and easier
(relatively speaking).
    Brad--how's about sending me some of those digest postings?
    --Rod
Rkessler@rcn.mass.edu
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:10:34 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: "Wimmin" "Womyn" - Historical Roots?
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              18 Nov 1992 05:37:02 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:37:02 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>> First question: Some people use spellings such as "womyn".  Who uses
>> these forms?
>
>People who object to "men" inside "women."  (Waiting to hear Dan's response
>on this one...)
>
   Well, I WAS gonna let it go, but since a response has been requested....

Most men don't WANT to be inside any women who spell 'women' as 'womyn'....
and yes, I know the feeling is mutual.....

dan
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:49:28 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Eggspots in the fridge
              19 Nov 1992 18:30:06 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

Here is my egg capacity :

            oooooooooooo   Top tray: a dozen half-ovals
            nnnnnnnnnnnn   Bottom tray: a dozen inverted u-shapes
           --------------  Bar in front of the bottom tray

(Whirlpool No Frost - Model no. EPT14JERO; age unknown)

This was probably covered in the last go-round, but why the difference
in design between the two rows?
--brad
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Another use of this word from our greatest writer, John Updike, in his
-Memories of the Ford Administration-:

... I was struck by the brusque way in which she repelled a black chamber-
maid who, rapping her key on the door and then turning it in the lock,
had tried to enter our room one mid-morning when we were making love.
Luckily, the chain was drawn across; but the girl, stupid perhaps, or stoned,
kept pushing and rattling, and Genevieve left the bed naked to tell her,
crouching at the opened crack, to go away and come back later.  Her
peremptory voice pierced me, lying love-dazed on our wide sea-bed, and I
may have indicated my wound, for as she slithered back into my arms she
murmured, "They're here to serve us."
   This was a revelation.  She grasped, Europeanly, the order, the
hierarchy, of society.  Had it been Norma and I in bed, we would have
felt a confused egalitarian obligation to the African-American maid in
the hall, who no doubt had her schedule and, a hundred blocks to the
north [in Manhattan], her private problems, the products ultimately of
slavery and racial prejudice, and we would have guiltily dressed ourselves
and vacated the room.  But Genevieve saw reality in its true fine shadings
of obligation and prerogative.... She knew the world, how it fit together
and did its business, eliciting rewards and punishments on a scale
calibrated by tradition.  Like all enthralled students, I tempered
admiration with resentment.  The order she would create in my life depended
upon reifying people, reducing them to their uses.  If the chambermaid
     ^^^^^^^^
was thus to be disposed of, what about me, when my mysterious use had
been served?                     (p. 177-8)

Any Updike novel is, of course, a goldmine for higher uses of words.
His big favorite in this one seems to be "aporia" -- he uses it so
much you just *have* to look it up.   I have a half a piece of scratch
paper filled up with others to check out, including a serious misuse
of "loathe" on p. 160.  (But that may be simply a matter of editors and
typesetters who are loath to question him.)

Has any author been so well served by her/his publisher as Updike has
by Knopf?  If, over thirty years, you bought his works in the trade
editions, your Updike shelf is already a "collected works":  sans their
jackets, the books are of uniform height and binding, and all set in
Updike's beloved Janson type....

-Memories of the Ford Administration-, by the way, is really about
virginal James Buchanan, 15th President of the United States, and sex
in the 70s: "Bodily fluids had no deadly viral dimension in the dear
old Ford days; one dabbled and frolicked in them without trying to
picture the microscopic galaxies within, the squadrons of spherical
space ships knobby with keys for fatally unlocking our cell walls."

Nobody but Updike could pull this off.

--brad
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Eggspots in the fridge
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:19:14 GMT
Organization: nope

tushar, the eggholder (removable) in my fridge holds 15 eggs -- maybe 
the arbitrary numbers are a plot to promote neighborly cooperations?

--bayla
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Mechanics of Response Style (was Re: amendment 2)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 07:50:31 GMT
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In a previous article, ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) says:

>On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:56:47 GMT Ruth M. Hanschka said:
>>>  I agree with you.  Ruth's missives are particularly difficult to read.
>>>Come on, beloved Ruth....before Daniel Judges Ruth.....
>>>
>>Uhmmm - Daniel comes after Ruth.  It's a fun book to argue over, but Joshua
>
>  Yeah, this Daniel is coming after that Ruth....and may even judge her...
>though not sure he wants her to judge him....   8-)

A copy of this wound up in my mailbox [along with the 64 failed post notices],
so this is attempt the second....  As I have no black robes, and will be
the plaintiff sooner or later, I'm in no position to judge anyone.:--)

>>comes before Judges.... As any good Lyle Lovett fan should know.<grin>
>
>   Oh, really???????
>
>   Well, I always.....
>
Thought the new album stank?:-)  [ no accounting for tastes....]

>
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:42:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: what? no report yet?
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> You *still* haven't got the hang of it... ho hum - lesson II:
>
> : Everyone is doing so much better under by expert tutelage.  I am a
> : fucking mentor, that's what I am.  And so <proud>.
>
> Everyone is doing <so much> better under my expert tutelage.  I am a
> <fucking mentor>, that's what I am.  And so proud.
>
> G

Which just proves what we all already knew: that those people on the
other side of the <gap> talk funny.
--ggs
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:33:00 CST
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Subject:      Re: Real BWP Stats

Honorable mention:
Stephen Karlson                294

Nice to know I'm honorable something ...

Steve Karlson
From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA (Agnes Kruchio)
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              Nov 16, 92 7:57 pm

>
> >:Funny, I had expected the List Hoser. . . er, um ..Dowser to go for the
 bate.
> >
> >Was that bait too?  hey - you're the master baiter here...
> >
> >G
>
> "Was that bait too?" asked the eel on being gaffed.
                                ^^^^
>
> -Mka
> Always like to keep a hand in.
>                       ^^^^^^^^
MKA-
Isn't that a dangerous - if electrifying - experiment?
A
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Wow!!
              23 Nov 1992 09:49:00 EST from <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>

Thanks, Alec, for forwarding this to the list.  Val has caught my feelings
about that horrible day in Dallas.

Evelyn
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Date: 18 Nov 92 20:47:01 GMT
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I still say that there is something about this time of year that makes
us think about headless fowl (and pumpkin pies and family gettogethers
and, in my family, lasagne).

Evelyn
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:14:36 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: your mail
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On Wed, 18 Nov 1992, Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078 wrote:

> Don, peaceful and unpretentious


Woo-woo! Don, 50 hipness points for the Florida Peacemaker!

-abh
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 'Wimmin' 'Womyn' - Historical Roots?
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I had always thought that "woman" came from "wife of man", but the AHD3 has it
as "female person" and refers the reader to "man", at which location is a
*very* long usage note--an entire column. Apparently, "man" in early English
meant generic person, as it still does (with only one "n") in German. Werman
was a male person, and wyfman a female one. But man then came to refer to just
males, and all the fun began.
       I am assuming that this has been hashed out in this space long before I
stuck my none-too-impressive nose in, but what do people think about the
p.c.-ing of the language? Personally, I think "-man" as a suffix should just be
desexed (or redesexed)--a few years of female chairmen and salesmen should do
it--instead of that awful person. Less cumbersome alternatives are welcome--
flight attendants now rule the skies, we have a department chair, and my dad is
now a sales rep, but I do not know of one --person that has entered the
language.
       As far as the neologisms on the subject line go, I don't see them
catching on. Either way, the etymology will still be the same, and it merely
emphasizes even more the derivatory quality of the word, which quality I had
never even paid much attention to until someone tried to <correct> it.
       And does the Words-L usage committee really believe that it is
unacceptable for a woman to man a lifestation?
                               blomberg cepeda    st402747@brownvm
From: gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Date: 16 Nov 92 16:42:37 GMT
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>  7) Miles O'Toole (Graham)
The name of someone I knew.  Actually, he normally went by his nickname, Hugh.
Hugh Jorgan, to be precise.  (You people think I make this up?  I swear it's
*all* true...)

> 19) "Beethoven's Last Moment" joke (Graham)
"What was the brown mess on the piano stool?"
"Dunno."
"Beethoven's Last Movement"

(it's a 5-yr old's joke, and I heard it 25 years ago...)

G
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:05:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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>      --ggs,
>        We like you, at least *most* of the time.
>        However, you *do* have a knack for being somewhat <tacky>
>        at times.
>
>        Joe P.(who is *never* <tacky> himself.)

Joe P, whoever you are (??), you have excellent taste, obviously,
and you have captured, as few wordslers have, the <essence> of the
appropriate use of the ackawacka.
--ggs
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject: Re: FYFI

*** Resending note of 11/21/92 23:11

>The problem is, I'm not *old* enough to remember.
>--ggs (laughing anyway at sk's funny poem....)

Oh Oh!  I DO remember reading Burma Shave signs :-(
From: gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:37:06 CST, "Kish" <KIS100F@SMSVMA.BITNET> wrote:
>         the words coined by Pat Buchanan, but spelled out by Spiro Agnew).

No.  "Grow a penis" is spelled out by Spiro Agnew.

G
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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> It's the stupid ra that got them mixed up, and even refused to send
> two because they had identical headers and contents....  So, one
> "to" got lost and one "as".....  They should have read:

Not!  Ra is not involved in any way in the distribution of mail.  The
listserv lives on the UGA mainframe.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Adventures in Democracy

Rick Hardy is not a member of the American Economic Association.
If time permits, I will check recent Social Science Citation
Indices and see if he has any fans.

Steve Karlson
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Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:23:13 GMT
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In a previous article, PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU ("Judith E. Schrier") says:

>>Posted on 17 Nov 1992 at 02:56:04 by Ruth M. Hanschka
>
>>  At least the Republicans were smart enough
>>to make you pay for your own <damnation>.:-)  The government will soon be
>>sending people to hell in a bucket - the Republicans just didn't debt-finance
>>the cost of the buckets....:-)
>
>They *didn't* ?
>
Not according to Giggles - you had to pay for your own shot at tooth decay.

>You mean we *don't* have that incredibly huge deficit accumulated
>during the last 12 years?
>
Yes we do, but that's not a bucket; that's a black hole.  The government
hasn't bought the buckets yet; the financing for the feasability study 
hasn't gotten out of subcommittee yet!

-- 
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From: harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell)
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What's the deal with this list lately? Volume is way off.

-abh
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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> On Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:12:00 EST, "gilbertsmith" <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU
>  wrote:
> > This should read: "offer an appropriate <prize> to....."
> > --ggs (list inflectionologist)
>
> Far be it from me to criticize the list inflectionologist, but wouldn't
> "offer an <appropriate> prize" be more appropriate?
>
> G

Not *more* appropriate, but surely *equally* appropriate.  What is
*not* appropriate is <appropriate prize> because of the ...uh....
because of....  uh....  because I say so.
--ggs
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Imposter
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> > --ggs (wondering why *most* of the canonized Hispanic writers are
> >        *men*.....)
>
> Because, as Jane Austen said, the pen has been in their hand. It's hard to
> think about The Great Ideas when you're pregnant, overworked, hassled, and
> just generally oppressed.
>
> -abh

I've always like to think that's why *my* <vita> is so short.
--ggs (except for the pregnant part, of course....)
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      RE: The Sounds of Silence

: Boy am depressed. The cheeseheads beat the hapless Eagles.

The cheeseheads play Duh Bears on Sunday 11/23.

Steve Karlson

"Football is blocking and tackling."  -- St. Vincent de Pere
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
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> >I think he is going all to hell because he is upset over the rumours
> >that Ms. Flowers is spreading about him and the fact that his
> ><equipment> has become the subject of casual conversation on the
> >net.   And don't think he doesn't know.
> >--ggs
> Maybe Clinton will do what LBJ did when asked about his war wounds.
> On Larry King.

Now *that* would make a nice photo Christmas card.  I want one.
--ggs (it could carry the greeting "Look what Santa left for me under
  the tree...a little elf....)
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Subject:      Re: No hay mucho tiempo
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Posted by Anne Diffily at 15:06:04 by Anne Diffily

>I'm struck by how sensible one
>grammatic convention in Spanish is, as I hear Melinda work her
>way in English... She says things like, "Poppy no go work" (don't
>go to work, Poppy!), or "Mommy no [is] baby Keh-keh mommy" (Mommy
>isn't baby Kevin's mommy -- wishful thinking, Melinda!).  So
>sensible and so much like the Spanish way of making a verb
>negative simply by prefacing it with "no".  Are there other
>languages besides Spanish in which this simple formation of
>the negative occurs?

Well, besides Portuguese's "na~o", every Slavic language that I've seen, e.g.,
Russian "ne", Polish "nie", etc. More than that, Russian, instead of that
awkward "there is not" or "es gibt nicht" or "il n'y a pas" or even "no hay",
just goes "net", with a case change. There is money--"Est' den'gi". There is
not money--"Net deneg". Just the facts, ma'am.

                                 b.c. "nikogda net deneg"
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Subject:      Re: Reification
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>
> Has any author been so well served by her/his publisher as Updike has
> by Knopf?  If, over thirty years, you bought his works in the trade
> editions, your Updike shelf is already a "collected works":  sans their
> jackets, the books are of uniform height and binding, and all set in
> Updike's beloved Janson type....
>
> -Memories of the Ford Administration-, by the way, is really about
> virginal James Buchanan, 15th President of the United States, and sex
>
> --brad

I have almost all of them, in first printings, and they are beautiful.
With dust jackets.  Including the play he wrote about Buchanan.
When I read an Updike novel, I am surprised at how fascinated with it
I become.  But I think they are really men's novels.  I think wymmyn
do not like his books very much.  Can the wimmin out there tell us
why?  Is he a m.c.p?
--ggs (Marry Me is a *fun* novel....in which U. is right on the mark
about what bastards men are....)
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Subject:      Re: Adventures in Democracy
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Posted on 22 Nov 1992 at 17:57:10 by Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)
>Rick Hardy is not a member of the American Economic Association.
>If time permits, I will check recent Social Science Citation
>Indices and see if he has any fans.

Thanks, Steve!  He lost anyway, but it'll be nice to know.

Karen
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
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> >> Now *that* would make a nice photo Christmas card.  I want one.
> >> --ggs (it could carry the greeting "Look what Santa left for me under
> >>   the tree...a little elf....)
> >
> >Gilbert G. Smith, you are a very sick person.  That is the highest
> >compliment I can pay anyone on a Friday afternoon after the week I've
> >had, so be complimented, sir.
>
> A little yuletide log?? C'm Ken, get a grip on it. Take yourself in
> hand, man!

Or Gennifer's little sugarplum......
--ggs (getting in the Holiday spirit after today's Christmas parade)
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