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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9: How a "Babel" scene should have been *SPOILERS*
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:10:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

If you haven't seen "Babel" yet, press 'n'.  We've got some serious foghorn
toast coming up:







The scene where Dr. Bashir "bought it" seemed fairly routinely staged --
far from getting a "sh*t they're screwed now" reaction like it should have,
it simply seemed like "another one bites the dust, ho-hum."

But what if it had happened this way?

Bashir is running tests on the computer.  He gives a command, and the
machine replies "Insufficient featherbedding."

Bashir does a take, and notices (like he did in the episode) that the
screen is now filled with gibberish.

He calls the nurse over.  "Nurse!  I don't know what's happening, or how,
but somehow the virus is affecting the biochip circuitry in the computer.
See -- it's scrambling the output..."

The nurse sighs and shakes her head.  "Squelch, Doctor, let's hop the
parallel to you..."

She moves to take him by the arm and lead him out, but he shakes her off and
hits his communicator.  "Bashir to Sisko.  Nurse Crane's aphasic, but
I think we've got another problem.  The virus is into the computer chips,
and it's going to bring the system down--"

The nurse takes Bashir by the arm and begins to escort him out of the
infirmary.  Meanwhile Bashir hear's Sisko's voice "Which twist, Bashir, which
twist..."  The Commander, he realizes, is infected too.

"SISKO!" Bashir shouts as the nurse all but drags him out the door.  "Put 
someone on who knows what he's saying!"

Cut to the hospital ward.  Bashir is sitting on the bed, trying frantically
to explain to Sisko.  "Snark the water bottle!" he says.  "Bio fertilizer
in the top scramble unit!"  The nurse and Sisko talk normally.

Suddenly, the viewer realizes -- it's not everyone else who's lost it, it's
Bashir.

It's a Twilight Zone - ish twist, true, but it would be a great way to
disorient the audience a bit.  Kind of like the big reversal in "Remember Me". 
Hmm?
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:42:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

A great Patrick Stewart moment: I think the episode was "Night Terrors" --
one of the one where everyone was hallucinating.  Picard thinks the turbolift
walls and ceiling are closing in on him.  The turbolift door slides open on
the bridge, revealing the Captain sprawled on the floor babbling in terror.

Everyone just looks at him.

He looks around.  Slowly stands up.  And, with a little tug on his uniform,
says "As you were."
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From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:49:13 GMT


I don't know if it's ever mentioned in the TOS, but in some book it was
mentioned that Sulu actually speaks Japanese and that at least his
grandfather is a Japanese native or so...

-Nicolas
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From: kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth)
Subject: Re: "Standard" is the Federation's standard language in the 24th Cent.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:05:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.030726.18574@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:
>My understanding, from something I read aeons ago, is that the standard dialect
>for communication in the Federation (this was back when TOS stood for "The Only
>Show") was a constructed language called simply "Standard."  We hear it (and
>all other languages) as English simply for convenience--no subtitles, no 
>confusion.  


This is what I have often heard myself, Andrea.  Almost every book
uses the word "standard" to describe the language being spoken...and
I'm not sure if it's ever been mentioned in an episode, TOS or
otherwise...
     Unfortunately, this whole standard thing comes down like a house
of cards when one watches the TOS episode "Space Seed", featuring the
first ever appearance of Khan.  When he is revived, and Kirk says
something like "who are you" to him, he answers with this:
"English!  You speak English!?"
     verbatim, I believe.  Oh, well, Maybe that's a scene that should
be retconned like Data's Class of '76 or Gary Mitchell's "James R.
Kirk".  I would like to think that your explanation is the right one.
:-)
Kevin D.
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1993Jan25.161743.23291@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, johnnyp@HALDI (Johnny Piscitello) writes:
>	Well, here's a partial list of non-humanoid lifeforms on TNG:
>
>	- The Crystalline Entity from "Datalore" and "Silicon Avatar"

And the similar-looking entity from "Lonely Among Us"

>	- "Galaxy's Child" creature that thought the Enterpise was it's mother
>	- The creatures that overtook O'Brien, Troi, and Data in "Power Play"
>	- The entity from "Imaginary Friend"

And the similar-looking entity from "The Child"

>	- Q (he only <appears> as human, he is anything he wishes to be)

This would be far more convincing if Q had ever appeard in a non-humanoid
form...

>	- The Farpoint Station lifeform from "Encounter at Farpoint"
>	- The gaseous creatures that wanted revenge on Q from "Deja Q"
>	- The Exocomps from "The Quality of Life"
>	- The Nanites from "Evolution"
>	- The silicon creatures from "Home Soil"

TNG has had at least a few non-humaniod aliens.  But they do rely FAR too
much on the latex-appliances-on-the-head alien.  IMHO, this only gets worse
when you consider what TOS was able to do with a far more limited budget:
the M113 salt monster (Man Trap), the Horta (Devil in the Dark), the flying
pizza things (Operation -- Annihilate!), the vampire cloud (Obsession), the
Gorn (Arena), the aliens in "Savage Curtain" and "Spectre of the Gun", the 
true form of the aliens in "Cats Paw", the "brains" in "Gamesters of
Triskeleon"...

-- 
You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and
sound but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose boundaries are that of
imagination.  That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop -- the Twilight Zone!
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: DSN or DS9?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:24:18 GMT

Look, shouldn't we decide on this?
Sure, the show calls it Deep Space Nine, not 9, but
isn't DS9 easier to remember?

Do we end up voting for the acronym?


LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
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From:  (Greg Pallenik)
Subject: Re: STTNG Video Club
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:52:17 GMT

In article <Bob_Hearn-220193103910@192.35.50.165>, Bob_Hearn@qm.claris.com
(Robert Hearn) wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan21.152717.18104@newsgate.sps.mot.com>,
> reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I'm very happy today. I just joined the STTNG video club from  
> > Columbia House. I've been wanting to join for about a year but didn't  
> > know how to go about it. I can't wait to start receiving the videos.  
> > Will they come in the order they were broadcast?
> > 
> > --
> > -----------------------------------
> > Tim Reed
> > reed@prism.sps.mot.com
> > -----------------------------------
> 
> 
> You can look forward to paying about 5$ per tape more than you would
> in a video store.  As far as I know, they come in order, but it's only
> the first season.  I think that's all that's out on videotape yet.
> 
> 

Hey, you get more than the first season.  I'm halfway through the middle of
the second rightnow.  As for the $5 more concept, is this so?  The videos
in the store are single tapes and the ones I get have two episodes per
tape.

Greg
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From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Subject: Re: Don't EVER use the subject: RE:RE
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:17:10 GMT

And then there's the posters who have signatures of 7 lines or more.
You use a kill file with your fave newsgroup and you will pay the price! 
Or the gut from North Carolina, "This is my first post... USA Today
article about TNG season 7 being the last..."  Let's see, how many
times does that have to be post the first time?  Enough already.

Kira.... 9.6
Dax..... 9.0
Troi.... 9.1
Crusher. 9.5
Ro...... 9.2
Guinan.. 3.0
Mrs.Sisko 9.4
Yar..... 7.5
Keiko... 6.0
Perfect Mate... 10.0
Pulaski. 3.1
Wesley's shape shifting girlfriend... 9.6
Geordi's Dr. Lea Brahms... 9.7
The Head Female of Angel 1... 9.2
Troi's mother... 3.2
Data's daughter. 6.8
Worf's wife..... 8.2   (Susie Plakson!)
Female Q........ 9.9   (D'Abo!!!)

Adios ya'll crazy, Star Trek lovin' fools!
I predict Deep Space Nine will last 6 seasons
and The Next Generation will last two more seasons.
I hope I am being conservative.
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
From: mdc@crash.cts.com (Milo D. Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Same for DS9 intro (was Re: TNG music trax suck)
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:35:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <1346@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
}
}I agree with Eli.  I listened to the theme carefully at the opening of
}the last episode of DS9.  It may not have a catchy beat and leave
}you humming it afterwards but as a
}work of art it is much superior to the theme of TNG.  TNG's theme, while
}catchy, is kind of hokey. 
}-- 
}David Johnson

	The theme of TNG was composed by a master of film scoring.
Jerry Goldsmith is hailed by many soundtrack aficionados (including
myself) as an all-time great in the field.  He's been nominated
for Oscars several times (including one for Star Trek: The Motion
Picture, whose theme is now used for TNG) and he won a much-de-
served Oscar for his highly influential music for _The Omen_, which
spawned a host of stylistic imitators.
	Given this, reconsider your appraisal of the TNG theme.
In addition, I remind you that Goldsmith's theme was rewritten and
re-arranged for play on keyboards, and that in fact Dennis McCarthy,
the TNG musician (and apparently the DS9 musician), makes his mu-
sic with keyboards.  Despite this, Goldsmith is so incredible a
musician that he can produce sounds WITH AN ORCHESTRA which don't
resemble normal symphonic noises; for example, his _Alien_ score is
chock-full of the sound of sizzling acid, and _Planet of the Apes_
boasts the din of agitated gorillas.  These sounds are made with no-
thing more than orchestral instruments.
	My point is that Goldsmith is an indubitable master of
his craft, and any valuation of his work as lazy as "hokey" is
deservedly suspect, particularly when the evaluator prefers the
keyboard-produced music of a comparative amateur.

						 _m d c_
			  Milo D. Cooper  '92   | 1992  |  mdc@crash.cts.com
						`-------'
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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Galley?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:13:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan26.002603.22917@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel) writes:
>      Now on to something else.  Was watching StarTrekVI on HBO and noticed
>   many scenes in and about the Enterprise's Galley.  For example when Kim
>  Catrall(sp?) fired the phaser at the pot of ????? and vaporised it.
>
>    ???? Since when do we have a Galley?  I though we got our food from the
>  replicators.  Even in STOS they used to get their food from the replicators,
> even though it looked like little green and red colored balls.

	(1) There are an unusually large number of high-ranking officers on the
Enterprise.  Any ship that has Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Checkov and Uhura
would have a large amount of clout.

	(2) They were on a diplomatic mission.  If the ship has as modular a
design as it appears to have (I mean, the corridors and stuff all look like
they're made of plastic and can have stuff popped in and out in TNG and the
movies), why not put a kitchen in for this mission?
From: alumn125@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Star Trek VII movie info(?)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:29:28 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI




     Now that I've read this in two magazines, I might as well share it
with you all.....


     In a recent issue of DWB and in a recent issue of Starlog, Majel
Barret (Hope I spelled that right. I don't spell much right.) is quoted
as saying that there will be a Star Trek VII movie. She says that writers
and directors haven't been chosen but there will be a movie. However,
in the DWB, right after her statement, Leonard Nimoy is quoted as knowing
nothing about another movie. Perhaps it will be the retiring of the 'Big
Three'.....


     Or maybe not.....I'm sure the rumors will tell us soon enough....



     -The Doctor

     "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely allows you to be wrong with authority."
     The Doctor
     The Wheel in Space
From: aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 24 Jan 1993 06:53:58 GMT
Organization: Books & Co., 2nd-largest independent bookstore in the U.S.
Reply-To: aa687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith Ammann)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, being a Worf fan, I have to nominate the scene in Fistful
of Datas after Alexander has just upped the difficulty of the
Wild West game, Worf takes on four baddies at once, pausing
briefly to say, "I am beginning to understand the appeal of 
this program!"





-- 
"That's 'concubines,' Baldrick ... not 'porcupines.'"
From: macfly@athena.mit.edu (Christine D. McManus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Smithsonian Info--Help Please!
Date: 29 Jan 1993 05:42:31 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: vongole.mit.edu


I was wondering if the Startrek exhibit at the Air and Space museum was
still going on and if so could someone e-mail me any info about getting 
tickets for it?  I'm going to be in DC in mid febuary and would like
to visit.  

Thanks a lot

macfly

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From: markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: READ THIS! O'Brien's Rank NEWSGROUP!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:57:11 GMT

Yes, as many of you know, yet another Obrien's rank flamewar has begun.
It's time to create a r.a.s.obrien.rank newsgroup. Hell, it'll probably
have as much traffic as rasc :).
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Stuck airlock in Babel DS9
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:14:43 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In article <1993Jan27.163054.879@linus.mitre.org> lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn) writes:

>Was there something I missed here?  Why didn't Chief O'Brien simply beam 
>the stuck people out and then go back and fix the airlock at his 
>convenience rather than make it a big priority?

Perhaps the air lock was heavily shielded or something? It would have been
nice if they had provided a throw away explanation. "Gee, I wish we could
beam them out." would have been good enough for me.

In the past it has been implied that beaming intraship is a bad idea.
Maybe with Cardassian transporters that is still true? 

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business

Ren & Stimpy for President!
"We take from the rich and give to the criminally insane!"
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From: petitc@nuge101.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: transporters, smart computers, and sensors
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:21:48 GMT

cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne) writes:

>As for the comments on sensor refinement, take a gander at the scene in
>STVI:TUC where the Enterprise-A shows a fairly detailed surface scan of
>Rura Penthe, while they are in Fed space and Rura Penthe is 'deep within
>the Klingon frontier', which translates to at least a few hours travel at
>moderate warp speed (moderate because they were trying to pass as a cargo
>ship, which generally can not fo Warp 12 (old reckoning warp)).

 My guess here is that they were using a topographical map that was already
made awhile ago.

-- 
"Protect endangered species!  Contribute to the Exxon Supporter's Fund!"
"Pay no attention to that little man behind the keyboard."
"If you want to look for fish, best not to look in desert."
"The greatest beauty in the world is beauty that is private."
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From: richm+@CS.CMU.EDU (Richard McDaniel)
Subject: Re: DS9: Odo's molecules & his brain  (little spoiler)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:48:34 GMT

Stephen R. Gilbert writes:
> Try this one on for size: Possibly Odo's "body" contains some special
> mechanism/substance that allows him to convert part of his mass into
> energy and store it internally- the ultimate battery if you like.
> This same mechanism obviously also allows him to convert the stored
> energy back into mass when needed.  We all know about the conservation
> of mass and energy don't we?

One can convert mass to energy and back.  The trouble is even energy has a weight.
Let's say Odo weighs 200lb.  If Odo takes 100 of those pounds in mass and puts
them into a battery as energy, that battery now weighs 100 pounds more than it
did originally.

If you don't believe me, consider this thought experiment.  We start with a
weightless elevator and a weightless battery (no energy in it).  We can move this
elevator up and down with no cost.  Now, let's put Odo on board.  At the top of
the elevator we have Odo as his usual amicable 200lb self.  His weight pushes the
elevator down thus we get energy out of the system.  At the bottom, Odo converts
himself into energy and stuffs himself into the battery.  If Odo's energy had no
weight, we could push the elevator right back to the top without using energy
ourselves and start the process all over again.  In effect, this would be a
perpetual motion machine.  In fact, it would be an infinite energy maker.

Now, considering that elevators and batteries really do exist and matter really
can be converted to energy, do you think that we can generate infinite energy or
that energy has weight?

-Rich M.
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From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
Subject: re: below absolute zero?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:08:24 GMT


I'm not sure of what was originally intended. I just caught the posts
whipping by at warp 10 and did not really digest it. There is in quantum
physics such a thing as a negative spin temperature - this would be formally
below absolute zero - but that is misleading since any negative temperature
is "hotter" than any positive temperature. Indeed -.0000000000.....1 degrees
Kelvin is hotter than infinite positive temperature. This is because of the
way entropy varies with respect to energy in quantum systems with discrete
energy levels. A negative temperature means that more particles sit in the
upper energy level than in the lower energy level for the simple case of
a two level system like a spinning electron, proton or even neutron, or atom
of spin 1/2 in a magnetic field.

Thought problem for Star Fleet Academy Cadets from Admiral Sarfatti:
How does a reversible Carnot heat engine behave if the hot reservoir is
at a negative quantum temperature while the cold reservoir is at a positive
classical temperature? What kind of Star Fleet devices can you make with
this idea? Hint: use the second law of thermodynamics.
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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: wormhole questions
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:53:58 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

criswell7919@iscsvax.uni.edu wrote:
> To all the trekers out there,
>    I have a question concerning the Wormhole on DS9. On the show the sequence
> of events are that a spaceship will enter, then fly through a space, then the
> opposite end will open up and expel the spaceship. Here's the question:Do the
> ends of the wormhole open at the same time or in a set of seqences? Is there an
> actual amount of space occupied between the wormhole entrances or is it an
> existential volume that we as humans comprehend as a three dimentional volume?
> Does time exist in the wormhole, or is it ignored/participatory depending upon
> the frame of the travelers mind? 

You drive a 12 ft long car at .999c through a 10 ft long garage with doors
at both sides, such that the first door closes when the back of the car
passes and the second door opens when the front end of the car is just
about to exit.

Are the doors ever open at the same time with respect to an outside
observer at rest with respect to the garage?

Seems like the same answer to me...  :)

CJW

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From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed)
Subject: Re: Which episode is the Q girl in?
Organization: SPS
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:25:59 GMT

> The episode is True Q from some latter season (was it fifth  
season??)

Wrong, it's from the sixth season - episode 132 I believe.

--
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Tim Reed
reed@prism.sps.mot.com
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From: priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: DSN9: Virus
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:03:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <1993Jan26.013159.29443@news.acns.nwu.edu> chaudoir@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bernard Chaudoir) writes:

>Since the 'virus' disabled the filter on the replicators, hence the
>crew caught the virus, why did they not simply use the transporters
>to cure the crew. The transporters Bio-Filters still should have
>been functional, correct? Or do Cardassien (sp?) transporters not
>have Bio-Filters.

Incorrect.  The virus was a SUBROUTINE that was inserted into the formation
matrix, thus not going through the bio-filter.  Also, since the virus mutated
to an airborne kind, think of how USELESS it would have been to go through the
transporter just to make yourself susceptible to the virus once again.  You can
clear it out of your system, but the station is still infected and no way to
clear it out unless it was metabolize by the infected people.

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