HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vikki@precipice.chi.il.us (Victoria Welch)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Connections to clout
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 10:54:22 CST
Organization: Welch Research, McHenry IL, USA

magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:

> Andy Lester (alester@meltdown.chi.il.us) wrote:
> : I'm running Waffle on a PClone, trying to connect to clout.  My dialing scr
> : gets to the CONNECTED, and then no matter how I bang /r/n combinations, I n
> : get any farther, and I certainly don't get the 'cc-tip>' I so yearn for. I'
> : got a PPI 9600SA modem, running V32/V42/V42bis, but not V32bis.  It always
> : works if I do it manually via a term program, except for once when it would
> : stop at the CONNECTED, but I'll be darned if I know what register/AT
> : commands/etc were different.
>
> If this has been in the last week, then you're not the only one.
> I poll clout at 6pm and 6am every day for my news.

You get news from clout ?  I guess I need to pay more attention
around here, last I heard clout was a mail machiine.  If this is
so, then this may account for some of it.

clout has always been "flakey" here.  Sometimes it works fine and
sometimes (very frequently) it never gets passed connect or is
unable to open clout itself.  Throughput is *always* abysmal
here.  I *assumed* it was a loading problem since clout is (from
what I understand) a mail server for this area out of the
goodness of their hearts (and it *is* appreciated here, to be
*very* sure).  If they are doing news as well, that is going to
be additional loading on the system which is already slow enough.

FWIW, I have heard that PPI modems have problems when dealing
with less than pristine phone lines although I suspect that they
are the same as the zooms which have ROMS that are buggier than
an anthill.

> I tried 5 minutes later and it worked.  Then I tried 5 minutes after
> that and it didn't work.

Sounds like clout from my perspective.

> Can maybe postmaster(.of-the-month)@clout shed some light on this?
> And maybe some other sysadmins check their logs to see if their
> systems have had any of the same problems?

Another enlightning point, I wasn't aware that postmasters were
on a carosel there.  Might explain a few things that aren't
related to this conversation...

I can vouch for the same problems here without having to check
the logs (unless you are *very* interested in page after page of
failed polls).  As it is a "d" band call from here it isn't a
nice feeling, especially when the phone bill comes in via a
flatbed ;-).

Take care, Vikki.
==============================================================================
* Vikki Welch, Sysadmin (vikki@precipice.chi.il.us) WV9K/NNN0AEE/NNN0GAP TWO *
* Disclaimer standard,  You mean someone actually *cares* about my opinions? *
*                  "Beam me aboard, Scotty!"  "A 2x4, sir??"                 *
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: phil@pex.eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: Computer Printed Checks
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:24:45 GMT

In article <C0HnsJ.EHs@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <93006.204211U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>Does anyone use computer printed checks?  A friend has just bought
>>Managing Your Money and wants to know if there are any cheaper sources
>>of checks than those available from MECA.
>
>From the receiver's point of view, at least until tthey become more common,
>the generate a great deal of suspicion.  Although their is a bank code on
>the bottom, there is no reason to believe that could not also be created in
>the computer.  I think you can bet that anyone getting one will sit on it
>till cleared by the bank and cause you a lot of grief.

I use them all the time to pay bills and have not had a problem.  The
coded numbers across the bottom of the check (with bank #, account #,
and check #) cannot be generated by check, as they must be printed with
a special ink---required by the machines that read the encoded numbers.
So when you have the blank checks printed up, you must have the check
numbers printed on them as well---the printer does not print the check
number on the check.

I don't know if that makes you feel any better.

But why would such a check cause greater suspicion?  Corporations and
such have been using this technique for years now.  As long as the
signature is done by hand, what makes these any more suspicious than
"regular" checks?

By the way, I ordered mine from Intuit: the same people who sell the
package "Quicken".  I checked with my bank first to see if they had a
better price and to ask if they would have a problem with the checks.
They sold computer-ready checks, but their price was more than
Intuit's.  They said there would be no problem clearing the checks.
By the way, Intuit's price was, as I recall, not cheap.  I don't
remember the exact rate, but my memory tells me that it was at least
twice what I normally pay for checks.

I have been paying all my monthly bills this way for about 6 months
now and have not had any problems.  Checks still clear in the same
amount of time.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>

Newsgroups: chi.general
From: zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: flotation tanks
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:19:09 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL


	Does anyone know anything about the flotation tanks at 1800 N.
Clybourn "A State of Mind Center"? I read a tiny paragraph about it in
_Chicago_ magazine. Good? Bad? Indifferent?
	Please e-mail-- I can summarize to the group if people want me to.
-- 
Sameer_Parekh zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM zane@infopls.chi.il.us
PFA related mail to pfa@ddsw1.MCS.COM   | Specialization is for insects
Anonymous mail to ap.2363@cupid.sai.com |   - Robert A. Heinlein
Mon Jan 11 16:12:29 1993 US Debt: $4,204,106,026,502 Per capita: $16,414
From: chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: ILLINOIS PRAIRIE PATH NEWS
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:07:28 GMT
Distribution: il
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.

In article <1993Jan8.203334.29814@cbnewse.cb.att.com> horse@cbnewse.cb.att.com (nancy.nehls.nelson) writes:
| The Illinois Commerce Commission is scheduled to decide, this year,
| whether or not ComEd can build a line of 138,000 volt transmission
| lines along the Prairie Path....
| The nonprofit grassroots organization 
| FRIENDS OF THE PRAIRIE PATH have set up a legal fund to raise money
| for legal efforts to stop ComEd from using the Path and come up with
| another plan that would not impact the Path.

In article <1993Jan11.160405.16542@sdc.com> kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki) writes:

>This makes no sense to me.  The Prarie Path is a right of way owned by
>Commonwealth Edison.  On what legal grounds can they be prevented from making
>use of it?

Actually, Com Ed does not *own* the Prairie Path:  Com Ed has an 
easement on it, just as it did when the right-of-way was owned by 
the Chicago, Aurora, and Elgin (electric) Railroad.  

Com Ed could build the transmission lines somewhere else but that 
would cost more.  Com Ed prefers to avoid the public relations
difficulty of building on the Prairie Path, however, even if it has
a right to do so: that is, the Company views the avoidance of
unfavorable publicity as a necessary business expense which, like 
the cost of generating facilities, should be factored into the rate base.
 
Thus, the issue the Illinois Commerce Commission will decide is not,
"Can Com Ed build on the right-of-way" but rather "If Com Ed does build
elsewhere, can this extra cost be passed on to Com Ed's customers?"
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Computer Printed Checks
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:02:47 GMT
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL

In article <C0HnsJ.EHs@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <93006.204211U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>Does anyone use computer printed checks?  A friend has just bought
>>Managing Your Money and wants to know if there are any cheaper sources
>>of checks than those available from MECA.
>>
>
>I don't use them but I just received one from a customer.  Fortunately, he
>is on the network and I asked him what it was as it looked like he ran it off
>on a Mac.  I was joking but he came back and said it was.
>
>From the receiver's point of view, at least until tthey become more common,
>the generate a great deal of suspicion.  Although their is a bank code on
>the bottom, there is no reason to believe that could not also be created in
>the computer.  I think you can bet that anyone getting one will sit on it
>till cleared by the bank and cause you a lot of grief.


If the check includes the magnetic code on the bottom, they have to be
accepted for deposit.  Technically, you can write a bank draft on
anything, but for practical reasons, non-MICR-coded drafts incur an
additional handling charge (something like $12 or $20) because they cannot
be read automatically.  This information from a former roommate who has
been in the banking industry for the past 10 years.

One of the custom checkprinters has a design that looks like it was
drawn up with crayons.  Cute, but we did wonder what reactions we'd
get from it...

Regardless of whether they're negotiable or not, consider whether
they project the image you want to project.  I ran a small business
in college, and drew very definite conclusions about customers (some
correct, others not) based on the checks they wrote.  Once conscious of
this, I changed banks when my bank changed checkprinters to one with
substandard quality drafts.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: robin@severian.chi.il.us (Robin Carkhuff)
Subject: Re: Searle Donates $500,000 in Medicine for Relief Efforts in Somalia
Organization: Just throw everything in the junk drawer
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:26:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.180224.45793@r-node.pci.on.ca> ndallen@r-node.pci.on.ca writes:
>Searle's donation has a wholesale value of about $500,000,
>according to Simon.

That's sweet of them; they must have gotten that money from the
layoffs of 25% of their workforce.

Robin



Newsgroups: chi.general
From: jimpuls@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jim Puls)
Subject: Programmer Needed
Summary: Communication project
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:42:57 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Keywords: programming job c communications
Followup-To: jhp@sba.chi.il.us

We are looking for someone to do some programming / debugging
on a communications project which should last a couple of months.
The language is C, and familiarity with TCP/IP is a plus.

Our location is near west suburban.  Flexible arrangements, but
a fair amount of daytime hours are needed.  Replies to:
	email	jhp@sba.chi.il.us
	fax	(708) 863-0044
	smail	SBA, 2137 S. Lombard, Chicago 60650
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:28:57 CST
From: <U30633@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Looking for Sublet

Looking for a sublet (studio) or temporary apartment for the months of
Feb-May.  Can pay up to $375/month.

Contact Joel at 312/784-5075 or e-mail.

Thanks.
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: ILLINOIS PRAIRIE PATH NEWS
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:32:47 GMT
Distribution: il
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL

In article <1993Jan8.203334.29814@cbnewse.cb.att.com> horse@cbnewse.cb.att.com (nancy.nehls.nelson) writes:
>
>ILLINOIS PRAIRIE PATH NEWS
>(This message concerns the Illinois Prairie Path that winds through the
>western suburbs of Chicago...thru Warrenville, Wheaton, Glen Ellen, etc.)

A lot more than just Chicago, btw...

>The Illinois Commerce Commission is scheduled to decide, this year,
>whether or not ComEd can build a line of 138,000 volt transmission
>lines along the Prairie Path.  ComEd engineers have stated that up
>to 85% of the trees currently lining the Path are "junk trees anyway
>and should not be missed".

Time once again to point out that, despite the name, the Prairie Path
has nothing to do with the native prairie, and the trees, as they
pointed out, are mostly imported species which grew when the railroads
abandoned the right-of-ways and stopped cutting back each year.
In effect, they are weeds.  Charming weeds, yes, but weeds.

I find it difficult to imagine any reasonable alternative right-of-ways
for power transmission, when long, contiguous right-of-ways already
exist.  The bicycle and horse trails were added as a nice re-use of
the land.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: gk00@ellis.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg)
Subject: Re: Casino--Vote
Reply-To: gk00@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:36:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.083009.11387@uumeme.chi.il.us> statz@uumeme.chi.il.us (Louis B. Del Boccio) writes:
>If the Casino Bill is not passed Chicago may very well go the way
>of Detroit and other large cities which have gone steadily down hill
>in recent years. 

If we don't watch out, Chicago will become a hopelessly corrupt,
nihilistic, crime-ridden, class-polarized sleaze town like Las Vegas.

We better build some casinos to save us from that fate!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:57:52 CST
From: Sandy Yeh <U50665@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Laser for sale

1986 Chrysler Laser

Turbo Engine
5 Speed Stick Shift
Silver
Clean Body (no rust, new paint in Feb, 1992)
Excellent Milage
Message Center
New Transmission  at 58,000 miles
Newly Rebuilt Engine

Asking for $2,800 firm.

A MUST SEE CAR!!!!
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: converse@cs.uchicago.edu (timoshenko)
Subject: Re: chi Newsgroups FAQ [last mod: 11/6/92]
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<1993Jan4.180627.20605@chg.mcd.mot.com>
	<CONVERSE.93Jan4141329@sloth.uchicago.edu> <C0EC7z.7ut@ddsw1.mcs.com>
Distribution: chi
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:30:42 GMT

In article <C0EC7z.7ut@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>converse@cs.uchicago.edu (timoshenko) wrote in
><CONVERSE.93Jan4141329@sloth.uchicago.edu>, posting to chi.ai [it showed up
>in ddsw1's junk spool and got here via mcdchg]:

>| 	(Sigh.)  Ron Heiby obviously thinks that the original
>| responder at NU either is lying or else doesn't know what group he is 
>| reading.  So, let's try again:  if you're reading this, and you're
>| not at the U. of Chicago, could you post a response?  (I've removed 
>| chi.general from the Newsgroups line.)

>Since chi.ai isn't newgrouped here I've had to post to chi.general.  

>Tim Converse posted to chi.ai and got three follow-ups to chi.ai (all of
>which I saw in the junk spool).  All three came from Northwestern.

Yes, there have been about six responses from Northwestern, one from
AT&T Bell Labs, and one from Naperville (a chi.il.us address).  So the
group does have some propagation.  Everyone also seems to agree that
the issue has pretty much been discussed to death, especially in
comparison to the normal level of traffic in the group.  :-)

By the way, apologies to Ron Heiby for the snide tone of my posting
quoted above.  He's quite right that an article cross-posted to
chi.general and chi.ai might be read in chi.ai at a given site, where
an article posted to just chi.ai might never make it to that site
(having been junked along the way).  So a better test was a reasonable
thing to ask for.

>I suggest that we newgroup the darn thing and everyone outside U of C and NWU
>tolerate it since its traffic is so light.  Failing that, the two schools can
>start a new hierarchy for just the two sites to share and chi.ai can be
>rmgrouped.

My vote would be for newgrouping, if it can be tolerated.

	-- Tim Converse
--
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Tim Converse  U. of Chicago CS Dept.  converse@cs.uchicago.edu  (312) 702-8584
From: cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us (Carolyn Stollen)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Casion--Vote
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:53:00 CST
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

RE Open Casino Gambling in Chicago linked with an Amusement Park.

  I VOTE NO.

I think gambling detracts from the human elements of life.

Evidence... look at the humanity level in Las Vegas.

I think gambling detracts from the Cultural level of life.

Same evidence.

I think that gambling teaches a false lesson about the creation of wealth.  I
think gamling encourages disbelief in the laws of nature, which include
probablility and statistics.

I think that the situation of gambling disinclines one to camaraderie and
responsibility for ones fellow persons.

I think that the false lure of maney and its divorce from the creation of
wealth attracts and concentrates the kind of folks we do not want in our
neighborhood.  Unfortunately, R. Daley cant tell that.  Maybe those peole look
too much just like his associates.

This stinks.  Gambling is corruption and engenders corruption.  Because it
looks like the usurous and injurious to the noational and personal good parts
of our economic system some watery-brained persons might just forget the nature
of where they live -- whic is on the Earth and not in their Abstractions.

Large Scale Casino Gambling concentrates wealth faster than any other form of
activity I can think of and has less to show for it and gives negatively (jobs
included in the assessment) to the community it shadows.  Even the research
behind the War Program (pardon me, Defense against the billions of
Not-Rich-like-US) produces technological advances ad makes boys into men.

Gambling?  I spit as an Honor to Grandmother Earth.  To Gambling I simply turn
aside.

Join me in letting your voice be known.
Chicago-machine corruption, the Buck stops here.

signed Cookie . . . . . . . . . . . . . USEnet: cstollen@meltdown.chi.il.us
                                                Chicago (708) Illinois  USA
From: greg@serveme.chi.il.us (Gregory Gulik)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Connections to clout
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:04:48 GMT
Organization: Gagme Public Access Unix, Chicago, Illinois

In article <9301023942@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>
>Can maybe postmaster(.of-the-month)@clout shed some light on this?
>And maybe some other sysadmins check their logs to see if their
>systems have had any of the same problems?

There have been serveral problems with U of Chi's terminal
server during the holidays.  It's difficult to have something
done while everyone is away.

I'll see what I can do to get it corrected ASAP, but it should
be back to normal by Monday either way.

-greg

-- 
Gregory A. Gulik                                 Call Gagme, a public access
       greg@serveme.chi.il.us                    UNIX system at 312-282-8606
   ||  gulik@rtsg.mot.com                        For information, drop a note
                                                 to info@gagme.chi.il.us
#!
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman)
Subject: Re: Computer Printed Checks
Organization: Marcal Systems Corporation
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:37:48 GMT

jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

>In article <C0HnsJ.EHs@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

>If the check includes the magnetic code on the bottom, they have to be
>accepted for deposit.  Technically, you can write a bank draft on

No, not really.  Only "legal tender" HAS to be accepted for deposit.
Acceptance of anything else is a courtesy extended by the receiver.  

>anything, but for practical reasons, non-MICR-coded drafts incur an
>additional handling charge (something like $12 or $20) because they cannot
>be read automatically.  This information from a former roommate who has
>been in the banking industry for the past 10 years.

Who charges whom the $12 or $20?
-- 
Marc Veeneman
From: ivan@sdc.com (Ivan Kiselev)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: Just a test
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:17:49 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Systems Development Corporation

Test
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From: dierker@tweety.digsys.com
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: testing newsfeed
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:02:25 CST
Organization: DSC: Digital Systems Consultants, INC.

Testing posting access from our new newsfeed....
Did this make it to the great out doors.

Digital Systems Consultants, INC.
St. Louis/Chicago/Atlanta/and coming soon to Dallas.
Newsgroups: chi.test
From: ziemba@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: test
Reply-To: self
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 00:17:16 GMT

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> Dennis D. Box          	|   (312) 732-6329 	| "Its FUN to have fun,
> My own opinions, not 	| dennis@fnbc.com      	| but you have to know 
> my employers. Your 	| ddb@vpnet.chi.il.us	| how!"   -T. Geisel
> reactions may vary. 	|  Kill Your Television.  

Hi ... I just wanted to see if I could reply to one of these posts.
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: test
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:12:17 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Test

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Newsgroups: chi.test
From: tgt@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Tim Thompson)
Subject: testing
Keywords: none
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:03:53 GMT

This is a test posting to chi.test with
a distribution of world.
From: dick@smith.CHI.IL.US (Dick Smith)
Newsgroups: chi.test
Subject: testing outbound
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:53:47 GMT
Reply-To: dick@smith.UUCP (Dick Smith)
Distribution: chi
Organization: R. H. E. Smith Corp., Wheeling, IL

Only local posts to chi.* should now leave here on the vpnet link.  Is
that what happens?