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From: davidf@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Fristrom)
Subject: Re: INTO THE WOODS
Reply-To: davidf@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Fristrom)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:15:18 GMT

In article <1atrhcINN730@koh-sun15.usc.edu> jameskau@koh-sun15.usc.edu (James Kaufman) writes:
> 
> I just found out that they're definitely making a movie from Sondheim's
> Into the Woods; I spoke with Lowell Ganz (he wrote A League of their Own,
> Splash, City Slickers, Parenthood, etc), and he and his writing partner
> Babaloo Mandel finished the screenplay.

Uh, oh.  I have a bad feeling about this.  (Although it should be
pointed out that the way things are done in H'wood, the fact that a
script has been written and is being shopped around hardly means the
project is "definite.")

>  As for casting, nothing's set yet, but Ganz
> said he could definitely see Billy Crystal (he also wrote Crystal's latest
> movie, Mr. Saturday Night) playing the Baker.  

Gulp.

> Anyone have any dream casting choices?

Well, let's see.  For the Baker's wife, how about ... Joanna Gleason?
For the Baker, why not Chip Zien?  For the witch, Bernadette Peters.
Then there's always Robert Westernberg and Kim Crosby ... but you get
the idea.

Ah, well, there's always the video.

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From: jefrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason E Frank)
Subject: Jonathan Pryce
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:24:11 GMT

	Anyone who's a fan of Pryce should definitely go see
the new film "Glengarry Glen Ross"--adapted by David Mamet from
his play.  He was really convincing as a character who serves as
the victim of schemes perpertrated by Pacino's character (a definite
switch from his domineering Engineer in "Miss Saigon"), and gives
one of the most memorable performances of that film (though his
part is a minor one).
	One quick questions--besides "Brazil" and "Something Wicked
This Way Comes", what other movies featured Pryce?
--j.e.f.
From: morrison@eng.auburn.edu (Kelly Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: theatre behavior?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:19:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct13.191902.19278
Reply-To: morrison@eng.auburn.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


Here's a question along those lines, Melissa:
   Should the intoxicated be allowed to enter a theatre? And should alcohol
be sold in theatres?

Before answering, let me tell you a story. Warning! It isn't pleasant!

My brother & his girlfriend went to see "Cats" at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta
two years ago. Midway through the first act, this middle-aged lady found her
way to the seat next to them. She'd had waaaaaaay too much to drink, and soon
became nauseated. Instead of leaving or going to the ladies' room, she decided
that she'd rather keep watching the musical, so she started throwing up into
her purse at regular intervals. It took my brother a while to find an usher
who would actually take charge and remove the lady.

And please: no comments about how this reflects on the quality of "Cats"... :)
From: stranger@watserv.ucr.edu (Katherine T Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Michael Crawford
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:51:34 GMT
Reply-To: stranger@watserv.ucr.edu


In case anyone is interested, Atlantic Records
has re-released Michael's first two albums.
"Songs from Stage and Screen," which has been
out of print for the past 2-3 years, is now 
available, and "The Phantom Unmasked" has been
re-released in its original title, "With Love."

			The Stranger
From: pape@rd1.interlan.com (Donna Pape)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: The Music of ALW
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:16:08 GMT
Organization: Racal-Datacom, Sunrise, FL

Is "The Music of Andrew Lloyd Webber" in Chicago this week (13 -18 Oct.)?

Donna
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: INTO THE WOODS
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:59:05 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

>Meryl Streep was mentioned in early announcements as likely casting for
>the Witch, but then she's probably first choice for most movie projects.
>She'd be wonderful; she can make both vampiness and ugliness funny, and
>she can certainly sing the part.

How  about Barbra Streisand?
.
.
.
.
.
From: jameskau@koh-sun15.usc.edu (James Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: INTO THE WOODS
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:11:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: koh-sun15.usc.edu


I just found out that they're definitely making a movie from Sondheim's
Into the Woods; I spoke with Lowell Ganz (he wrote A League of their Own,
Splash, City Slickers, Parenthood, etc), and he and his writing partner
Babaloo Mandel finished the screenplay.  The studio is shipping the screenplay
around to different directors.  As for casting, nothing's set yet, but Ganz
said he could definitely see Billy Crystal (he also wrote Crystal's latest
movie, Mr. Saturday Night) playing the Baker.  
Anyone have any dream casting choices?
James Kaufman
jameskau@aludra.usc.edu


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From: rad2r@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Robert DeLine)
Subject: Re: INTO THE WOODS
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:41:20 GMT

In article <BvrtsJ.Co0@news.udel.edu>, conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
> You are partly off.  The idea was not "Muppet characters," but
> "creatures from the Jim Henson Creature Shop," which supplied, for
> instance, the marvelous Alice in Wonderland creatures for the movie
> "Dreamchild."  The idea was that the Wolf and possibly new animals to be
> devised for the screenplay would be done in this way.  The humans would
> still be human.


Sigh.  Why does Hollywood always have to make a major production of
everything?  I personally think a low-tech approach would be better
suited with the text and music.  Something about campy puppets just seems
wrong.  I think animation could work really well, though, if not
overblown.


> Meryl Streep was mentioned in early announcements as likely casting for
> the Witch, but then she's probably first choice for most movie projects.
> She'd be wonderful; she can make both vampiness and ugliness funny, and
> she can certainly sing the part.

Hmm.... first Evita, now the Witch.  What's the scoop?  Why is Streep so
hungry for a singing role?  Is her voice really that strong?  I also fear
should would overact the role -- I've never seen her do anything light
well.



-- 
Rob DeLine
Computer Science, University of Virginia
deline@Virginia.EDU
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From: nexus@ylum.cgd.ucar.edu (Jeff Berry)
Subject: Auditions, Duchess of Malfi
Summary: Theatre in Boulder
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:07:03 GMT


	The Upstart Crow will be holding auditions for _The Duchess
of Malfi_ by John Webster Wednesday evening, Oct. 14, at 7 pm at the
Upstart Crow Studio, 2131 Arapahoe, Boulder, Colo.  Actors should bring a
resume and prepare a one minute selection in verse from Webster or a
Shakespearian tragedy.  For more information, or to schedule an audition
at a different time, call the director, Richard Bell at (303)442-1415.

More information may also be obtained from Jeff Berry, nexus@ncar.ucar.edu

	Please, feel free to reproduce this and distribute it to anyone who
might be interested.
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: SERIOUS ACTING STUDENTS!
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:21:55 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Oct11.135538.7504@iscsvax.uni.edu>
toomsen8928@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>DEAR FELLOW THEATER STUDENT,
>
>HI! I AM NEW TO THE VAX AND HAVE NOTICED THIS GROUP'S EMPHASIS ON LYRIC AND
>MUSICAL THEATER. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO SOME STUDENTS INTERESTED IN ACTING -
>MAINLY STANISLAVSKIAN, METHOD-BASED ACTING. 

	I'm interested in these kinds of discussions, too.

	(Can you, however, *please* do something about the
	terminal you use?)
>
>I ATTEND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN IOWA IN CEDAR FALLS IOWA AND AM A SERIOUS
>ACTING EMPHASIS STUDENT. I HAVE NOTICED THAT, IN OUR DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE A
>SMALL SPLIT AMONG STUDENTS AND FACULTY IN REGARD TO JUST HOW IMPORTANT
>STANISLAVSKI'S IDEALS ARE TO ACTING TODAY [...]

	Without saying so explicitly, you're clearly in
	the Stanislavsky camp.

>ANYTHING ADDITIONAL IS MANIPULATION AND IS FALSE. (NOT THAT
>IT IS WRONG - IT JUST IS NOT A PART OF MY ACTING VALUES).

	I've found it useful to draw a distinction between
	acting and performing.  The two are separate skills.
	You can act without performing (e.g., film and video)
	or perform without acting (e.g., cabaret) ... but
	I think stagecraft demands both.

	"Mere" acting on stage simply will not read.
	Some exaggeration *is* necessary, in a live setting.
	It doesn't have to be false at all -- I think your
	adjective is a little too strong, and I also think
	that Stanislavsky was aware of this (not enough of
	a scholar to find a reference, though).  Remember
	that he was (a) reacting against a time and place
	where *very* broad performing was the norm, and
	(b) attempting a synthesis of the -- informal --
	techniques of those he considered its best actors.
>
>PS - NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO MUSICAL THEATER. I LOVE IT,

	Me, too.

>BUT IT'S PRIMARY GOAL
>RARELY SEEMS TO INCLUDE HONEST ACTING. (OR MAYBE YOU THINK IT DOES - PLEASE
>REPLY!)

	It often doesn't, but at its best, it does.
	Finding -- or recognizing -- the talent is what's
	difficult here, I think.
>
>MY DIRECT LINE IS: TOOMSEN8928@iscsvax.uni.edu

	Best, -R


--
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that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
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From: jonesr@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Wings, The Musical?
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:13:58 GMT


	About five years years ago I helped with a production of Wings,
the story of an elderly woman who has had a stroke. The title comes from
her experiences as a wingwalker on stunt planes during the thirties. The
director of that production casually mentioned that he was going to Chicago
to see a musical version of Wings. I cannot imagine what the show would be
like. Does anyone have any details?

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From: deleon@adobe.com (Michael de Leon)
Subject: Re: theatre behavior?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.145002.7507@iscsvax.uni.edu> sherwood2840@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Hello fellow theatre students!
>
>I am very distressed by some of the items I have read on this group concerning
>"Theatre Behavior".  I was frightened when I read the words "strict rules" being
>applied to the audience.  Like everyone, I too have my theatre horror stories
>and I used to *really* resent certain audience behavior which I equated with a
>lack of repect for my work on stage.  I know realize, however, that as a
>theatre artist I am on stage to communicate something and it is the audiences
>choice to respond to my communication in any way they feel like.  I think that
>inflicting regulations on an audience is a way of monitoring or manipulating
>their behavior and this goes against everything I believe as a theatre artist. 
>I'd like to hope that the theatre is the one place where we can still go to
>explore and rejoice in our humanity.  I can't begin to tell you how often in my
>acting classes I am told to go with my impulses, to not hold back, to respond
>on a basic human level out of need.  Please do not take this response freedom
>away from the audience!  Have we become so arrogant in our craft that we can no
>longer perform with any exterior noise?  Are we only artists under certain
>circumstances, our dircumstances?  So what if someone is eating, maybe they are
>hungry!  They have a basic human need to fulfill, can we deny them that?  What
>happend to the days of Shakespeare in the Globe when theatre was for the
>masses?  
>
>Melissa

Sorry Melissa, but I just can't equate not letting someone rip open a 
Crunch bar with audience behavior manipulation. And really, that's all
this thread is about. Of course, I am speaking from an audience member's
point of view, and as such it would seem that someone fulfilling their
basic human need to, say, have a hot dog or sip a Dr. Pepper while 
sitting next to me affects me more than it does you. In a way that 
hungry person is manipulating my response to the play.

Please don't misunderstand, I think it's a beautiful thing to see an
audience visibly affected by something on the stage and to express
that by laughing or crying or whatever. I recently attended Shakespeare
in the park and thought it was great to watch families enjoying theatre
while having a picnic and seeing children playing. But this type of 
activity is simply not acceptable in the confines of an enclosed theatre.

Finally, I'm not sure what your question of theatre for the masses was
getting at. Cost is one prohibitive factor. I can't believe you're trying
to imply the "masses" (of which I include myself) somehow behave different
in the theatre than...well, the upper class? (You're not saying this are you?)

Michael de Leon
deleon@adobe.com
 
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From: sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith)
Subject: Calendars!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:36:24 GMT

I was in my local bookstore and spotted calendars of the following
shows: QL, NX, Trek (TOS and TNG), Magnum, MacGyver, and 90210, and
maybe some more I've forgotten. 

Anyway, check it out.

Sally

-- 
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From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: snl oct. 10 / hmmm....
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:27:42 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth Mark B. Bendiksen regarding SNL OCT. 3/HMMM.... on 10-11-92:


MB>Anyway, just some thoughts. Maybe next
MB>week's show with Joe Pesci will be an
MB>improvement. But I'm not holding my breath.

It's a good thing you didn't.  In the Pinky Ring shop, Pesci was 
brilliant. The rest was tedious.

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From: locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker )
Subject: Re: Sinead on SNL...YAY SINEAD! 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:30:42 GMT

In article <ed.718478244@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker ) writes:
>>Consider a different spin on this argument.  What if a Palestinian
>>entertainer had come on a show and blamed Judaism for the sins of the
>>world?  Would that be considered an 'anti-institutionalized religion'
>>stand?  Or would it be (correctly) viewed as hateful words coming from a
>>hateful person? 
>
>It depends on the person, the way he/she expressed it, etc.  No matter,
>though, hateful words are still an opinion valid as any.  You can call
>anything with conviction "hateful"...because it "strongly dislikes" the
>other side.  Republicans are hateful of Democrats if you go by your
>definition....but they go at it everyday in every way.

This isn't even close to being a valid point.  The way I look at it,
Sinead's statement that Catholicism/Christianity is "evil" is equivalent to
Minister Farrakhan's statement that "Jews are responsible for the majority
of wickedness on this planet" (not an exact quote, but close)  Each of
these statements is a far cry from "The Democrats are big spenders" or "The
Republicans are responsible for the debt"

>
>Perhaps I'm being extremely presumptuous, but I think if Sinead would
>have made a statement (or alluded toward a statement) that you agreed
>with, you'd have no trouble with it.
>

Huh?  Sorry, but I'll never agree to a statement expressing hate toward a
group because of religion.

>>No congregation/race/group should have to put up with this crap.
>
>Wrong....ALL groups should put up with this "crap".  It's the sacrifice
>we make for free speech and freedom in general.  If you want a
>dictatorship, why don't you just say it?  Lobby for it, try to take over
>the country...expose yourself...we'll see how many people agree with
>you.

You read too much into my post. What I said was that her words were 
hateful and should be seen as such.  I never said that she shouldn't have 
the right to say them, etc. 
#insert <std.aclu.speech>

>I don't think Sinead's statement was hateful in the same way that, say,
>a Klansman's statements are.  Her's was a productive criticism (then
>again, Klansmen think theirs are too).  Let's say, I BELIEVE it was
>productive.

What's the difference between Ms. O'Connor's statement and Mr. Farrakhan's?
I just think that these days, hateful attacks on some groups are PC while
others aren't.

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From: smith@NCoast.ORG (Phil Smith)
Subject: Re: Al's Last Name
Reply-To: smith@ncoast.org (Phil Smith)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:38:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv

As quoted from <6328@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV> by m1tca00@fed.frb.gov (Thomas C. Allard):
+---------------
| In article <nittmo.718421424@camelot>, nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) writes:
| > In response to the question:
| >  
| > Does anyone know Al's last name?
| > 
| > I have a few answers:
| > 
| > Franken?
| > Alda?
| > Hrabosky?
| > Jones?
| > Smith?
| > Volkov?
| > Puccini?
| > 
| > Hope one of these is the Al you're looking for.
| 
| Two more:
|   Bundy (from MWC)
|   Greenspan (my boss's boss's boss).
| 
Just has to be Big Al Capone :-)

Or should the subject have read Al from QL ?
-- 
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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph Malloy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Cable Re-Regulation
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:20:14 GMT
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY

In article <1aut0lINNelf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ar710@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (William G. Martin) writes:
>
>OK, we've got it now. So when will we see any changes? Will this take a year or
>so for the FCC to write, publish for comment, and finally implement
>regulations to enforce the provisions of this legislation?
>
>Have any cable executives jumped out of skyscraper windows yet
>in despair over this event? :-)

No, but our local cable "service" (it sucks raw eggs- Harron, a name
to hate) has announced a rate increase.

What gall.

I'll take the first opportunity to subscribe to a competitor...
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From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: "Jap" (Was Re: NX Premiere "Northwest Passages")
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.202854.9769@newsance.att.com> kimi@newsance.att.com (Kimiye Tipton;ball of confusion) writes:
>Yes, Ken, that's exactly what I meant.  Most folks wrote to tell me
>that it was just Maurice, that he didn't mean it maliciously, and
>that it wasn't racist, anyway.  I agree with all but the last
>statement.

I don't agree with any of it.  Maurice is a disgusting character, through
and through.  He's pompous, arrogant, racist, homophobic, bullying,
self-centered, and greedy.  It's entirely in character for him to use
"Jap", and completely abhorrent at the same time.

__   -paul asente
\/     asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

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           that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their
           children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
           become lesbians.			-Pat Robertson
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Taster's Choice (was Commercial:  Folger's Coffee)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:04:12 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

By the way, it seems to be Taster's Choice, not Folger's (hi John,
thanks for the correction).  I thought he was her brother, too, but I
wanted everyone else's opinion.  Can't wait 'till we see the neighbour
guy's reaction when he finds out!  ;^)

	-- Anita --

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From: sfnet@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Steven Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Wanted: Dinosaurs TV Guide
Keywords: dinosaurs
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:15:59 GMT
Reply-To: se-a@minster.york.ac.uk

Need an uptodate guide now that dinosaurs is transmitted in the Uk again..
also waht is the addr of the ftp site for the gif files.

			Steve
se-a@minster.york.ac.uK
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: YIJC: Castle prison based on real one
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:03:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.042812.12022@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> poindexter@scri.fsu.edu writes:
>
>There should not be any major spoilers in this post, but there are some
>observations about about one of the locals in the Oct. 5 episode.
>
>The "bad-boys" prison young Indy was sent to is based on the real maximum
>security officer's prison Germany used in both WWI and WWII. The real one is in
>the eastern part of Germany not too far from the Polish border. The nearby town
>(and I guess the castle) is called Colditz(sp?), and the castle is built on a
>bluff over looking a river. Even the age (and thus apperance) of the castle
>appears to be roughly the same, late 13th C - early 14th C -- I think.

I've heard about this castle/prison before.  It was actually
counter-productive, I believe: imagine, getting all the best escape
artists you can find from all the POWs in Germany, and putting them
into one place where they can talk to each other.

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