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Subject: Re: (none)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 00:21:12

 Ioseph of Locksley sendeth unto Dur-Who-Finally-Has=Heraldry= (and there
 was -much- rejoicing....)

 -=> Dew said to All on 08-24-92  02:23 <=- 

 De> (Oh yeah.  I forgot *#6:  Have hordes of screaming mongols
 De> ride their horses through camp daily, looting, pillaging,
 De> and removing any nubile females that don't bite back.  Oh
 De> yeah, and require every camp to have at least three belly
 De> dancers performing at all times.  :->

So when are you coming to Estrella where these things have a tendency to
-happen?-

 De> Dale E. Walter     |Dur of Hidden Mountain
 De> dew@ecl.psu.edu    |Orluk Oasis on the War Road (of Aethelmarc)

 De> "I'm the Baron!  Ya gotta loath me!"

                                                -Ioseph of Locksley
                                        who is a Loathsome Baron, too
                                        and who is Grumpy


... HERALDS.SYS found: Loading MATCHLOK.GUN
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From: sharons@juliet.ll.mit.EDU (Sharon Stanfill)
Subject: Re:  almost live steel
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:22:29 GMT



Dear Berwynn,
	Well...when I was young and foolish, I was in Markland, which
at that point did lots of demos with "almost live steel" - various
weapons made of metal with very, very dull edges.  Demos were 
choreographed and one had to be "steel-qualified" to be in them. 
(A process not unlike SCA fighting qualification)  The public
generally loved it and it did look wonderfull.  However, it was 
probably not at all safe.  I was very carefull about who I would
work with, but now I look back at my old shield with the nocks 
from dull blades and wonder about my sanity.  Also - most of us
were not particularly large or strong and were trying not to 
swing very hard. Write to me if you want to know more...

Nesta ferch Meriadoc Hartley
sharons@juliet.ll.mit.edu
From: grimmund@edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allocation
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:58:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Aug30.075804.1345
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


Corun MacAnndra said, replying to Hal Ravn's ideas for aquiring 
more land for one's self at Pennsic:

Absolutely the Autocrat should care. And that person doing so is 
your
best interests. How would you like to see a limit imposed on the 
number
of campsites "rented" to the Autocrat, and you being told "Sorry, 
we're
sold out, you didn't get a reservation in early enough, the 
campsites
are all taken." And all because someone was inconsiderate enough 
to buy
more land than they need. Think about these things before you go 
planting
ideas in people's heads.

(Sorry about the rather messy cut-n-paste)

	First, I get nervous anytime anyone does something for me "in my 
best interests" without consulting me first.
	Second, WHO DECIDES how much land a person needs?  If, for 
example, I feel that my tent and kitchen facilities are going to 
require more than 235 square feet alloted, why should I be forced 
to reduce my camp rather than acquire more land?
	Third, it seems to me quite reasonable that eventually the War 
(ooops! Tourney) will reach a maximum size.  the site cannot keep 
expanding forever; you might want to get used to that idea so that 
it does not come as a complete shock when it does happen.

	Do not worry over much just yet, though.  I've been looking at 
the air-view pictures (and showing them to everyone I could 
corner; "Look, there's my tent!") and most people's comments 
include something like, "Hmmm.  Awful lot of open land out there 
on the Plains." 

	Mind you, these are just my immediate reactions to someone 
trying to protect what they feel to be my best interests.  I hope 
no-one is offended, but I for one am willing to pay an extra $30 
for a bit more room to set up a proper kitchen and a field shower 
so I can camp in relative comfort for 2 1/2 weeks.
	
	Just out of curiosity, how many no-shows were there in Moritu 
camp?  I know that Horde Classic had several people who didn't 
make it to war; I assume the same holds true for other camps if 
the air views are meaningful indicators.

Thus speaks the Weasel, Grimmund Blackwing 
Shire of Windhaven, Northshield, Middle Kingdom   

Usenet:  grimmund@edsi.plexus.com
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From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Subject: Re: A non-SCA anachronism
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:31:08 GMT


In a previous article, Kwellend-Njal wrote:

[amusing anecdote about Velcro'd armour (which I'm sure isn't list
legal) delete]

A friend of mine calls those nylon billfolds with the Velco fastenings
"Scottish wallets" because they "scream" when you open them. 8-)

Mikjal Annarbjorn
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Smelly steel wagons at Pe
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:14:36 GMT

In article <715471341.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Craig.Vaughan@p365.f342.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Vaughan) writes:
>
>  AP> M'Lord.... I for one took no offense whatsoever at the placement of
>  AP> the parking lot.  Indeed, een tho many a gas dragon did snort down the
>  AP> path not 5 FEET from my head at night as I lay asleep, I noticed them
>  AP> not.  I DID, however, take great umbridge at the blasting horns of the
>  AP> great diesel beasts lumbering on the interstate!  I was unfortunate
>  AP> enough to be assigned not far from that awful road, and more than once
>  AP> I was actively planning my distances and angles for a crossbow shot
>  AP> right into a semi.  (Wonder what they'd think when they finally
>  AP> noticed an arrow sticking out?)  I do wish there were some way to
>  AP> silence those beasties' horns! In your service, Lord Ailean Mac an
>
>In our barony's camp, much thought was given as to how to construct a sound
>activated ballista...

Caltrops are period . . .  :-)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: "Michael Squires" <mikes@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: consort gender
Summary: I'm not sure.. 
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:05:56 -0500

In article <3397@creatures.cs.vt.edu> jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter) writes:
>being inspired by ladies -- is indeed very high medieval.  But the notion
>of their being involved with them sexually is, I suspect, rather more
>modern.  In many, many, many cases in the middle ages, the lady who

Well...

Sir Henry Lee, Elizabeth I's champion, took a mistress whom he never married.
They lived together until his death; his original monument had a rather
silly verse that made fun of the fact that while in eternity he lay down
while she kneeled when in life the reverse was true...

On the other hand the adoration in which the Middle Kingdom held Duchess 
Eislinn during her last years with us makes one reread things like the
medieval romances in a new light.

-- 

Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu          546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408
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From: badorion@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (Brian A. Dorion)
Subject: Re: Carolus goes to Toronto...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:08:04 GMT


In article <92Aug25.164409.10407@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>However, here goes: I will be in Toronto for sept 25 26 27 and
>possibly 28 (I don't remeber when I leave...), I will be
>attending the sunday afternoon fighter practice near the
>university, which I am given to understand begins at 2pm.
>
>I will be bringing my armour, and looking for trouble...;-)
>
>I hereby invite/challenge all fighters in Toronto to
>meet me upon the field of battle. I suggest reverse
>order of precedence to determine the lineup.
>
Milord, I am veryinterested in your challenge.  If I find that I have the time 
to travel to Eoforwic on that day I would greatly appreciate crossing blades
with you.  But I have a question: how are we to recognise your noble self?
For surely there will be so many honourable fighters who will attend this
practice that it might be hard to identify the focus of all the attention.


Brian Dorion			Herr Konrad Matthias Jaeger
Kitchener, Ontario		Bryniau Tywynnog, Ealdormere
Canada				MK


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From: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DYLYN)
Subject: Re: WOW!!!
Summary: dagger and shield  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:25:00 GMT

In article <Btyo1t.2yE@acsu.buffalo.edu>, acsoedf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric 
Frohnapple) writes...
>..........................................  Unfortunately, this left
>him with a VERY short sword (and me an idea...)
>	Not wanting to fight the bridge with a glaive (this proved futile in
>the town battle), I decided to use a shield and my only other weapon I
>had at war: a dagger.  It wasn't long before the remainder of our unit joined
>in on the idea...we would perform the first annual Dagger Charge!
>	We equipped the unit with daggers and the biggest shields we could 
>find.... 
	--rest of entertaining war story deleted to save space--
			>Akryn

	Hey, it worked well for the Romans, too :->  It probably helped
you maintain your line integrity: less space needed for a good swing or
thrust.  In my barony, there is a fighter (Lord Pierre) who is deadly with 
dagger and shield.  Once the marshall says "Lay on!"  you have a split
second to finish him off before you are, as they say, "toast, butter-side down."
It would be quite impressive to see a large unit arrayed like that.  
Good Luck with it.
				Marius Lugotorix Delenitor

Per bend sinister Or and Sable, in bend a Raven close to sinister Sable and
two Comets bendwise sinster in pale Or, all within a bordure Ermine
 dylyn (aka, d prosser) == S7356911@UCSVAX.UCS.umass.edu
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Town Car parking fiasco (was "Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic")
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:31:11 GMT

In article <Btuw54.3Ho@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>1.	A fellow in my camp who parked his car before the "Town Car" signs
>	went up was visited by a security patrol in a golf cart who told
>	him to move his car or it would be towed.  So the problem wasn't
>  	ignored.
>
>2.	It's very hard to take people seriously when they use the term "dragon"
>	to refer to automobiles on a computer net.
>
>Aryk Nusbacher

<guffaws, chuckles and loud applause>

In service,

Corun


-- 
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    Corun MacAnndra     |  The great thing about travel is getting to
  Dark Horde by birth   |   meet new people and see new places.
    Moritu by choice    |                            G. Khan
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From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:14:19 GMT

>Last year(PWXX) there was a 250 sq ft per person limit. I remember hearing(from
>the Autocrat) that they(the staff) had to make some camps smaller. This was
>because the camps were using  more than 250 per person.

My understanding is that with one notable exception, this policy wasn't
much enforced and the average was closer to 300 square feet.  Perhaps the
enforcement was simply erratic; I don't know.

>>The real
>>problem this year was that more people said they were coming than acutally
>>did; had there been a better picture of how many would be there, the land
>>parcels could have been bigger.

>I don't see how. The 235 per person was set up _before_ the land-lotto. The 
>space per person would still be 235.

The limit was set before the lottery, but could theoretically have been
raised before land was actually marked off if there was a reason to believe
that attendance would be much lower.  The problem was that 8300 people
showed up, but according to the advance numbers over 10,000 were coming.
So if the autocrat had wanted to raise the limit, he wouldn't have been
able to.  Should the autocrat be blamed for holding land for the other 1700
people?  If so, what would you do in his position if they *had* come?

>If I pre-register a camp of 50 and only 40 show up, do I lose the extra space?

Good question.  One could argue that the best way to handle the land problem
is to simply charge by the square foot, but I hope we don't get to that
extreme any time soon.  I don't know how to solve this problem, but believe
it's better to at least have forced land abusers to cough up some money 
rather than simply let them register ficticious people at no expense.

Ellisif
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From: rickm@kpc.com (Rick Meneely)
Subject: Re: Town Battle
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:09:53 GMT

Gwydden writes:
|> Avelina Percival says that the town battle looked much like the bridge
|> battle to observers.  Quoth Avelina:
|> 
|> > Perhaps it would have been difference 
|> > had the 'walls' of the buildings had some substance to them so people 
|> > didn't have a clear view of what was going on on the other side of the 
|> > walls.   Then  there would have been more of a feeling that the fighting 
|> > was taking place ammid buildings rather than ammid obstacles on an open 
|> > field.
|> 
|> Perhaps to the fighters-- but observers wouldn't be able to see anything 
|> then!  Unless, of course, clear lines-of-sight were left open, but that would
|> defeat the purpose.
|> 

As already stated.  Battles are for the participants first.  Spectators
are welcome, but not at the expense of Safety/Authenticity/Fun.  Otherwise
we would never have such things as woods/broken-field battles.

What were the buildings made of? Hay bales?  What about building a 
standing frame with 2x4's and drape painted sheets as the building 
walls?  Seems fairly easy to make and is portable.  If set up just
inside a hay bale foundation we shouldn't need to worry about large 
groups of people crashing into it - it only needs to withstand an 
occassional swordblow.

|> Of course, having one army start out inhabiting huts and
|> the other one attacking is too asymmetrical-- I doubt we could get a
|> clear consensus on who would have the advantage, but *no one* would
|> think it was a fair fight.  

Battles and/or battlefields do not need to be symetrical.  In fact some
asymmetry is both more realistic _and_ fun.  The trick is to design a
scenerio that gives both sides different advantages and disadvantages.
This means that strategy becomes more important.  And if there is any
doubt about 'excessive advantage' then run the scenerio twice - switching
sides.


Treasure Chests/Booty:  Although large HEAVILY constructed wooden chests
sound great, they must be able to withstand constant abuse, tug-a-wars and
body pounces without damaging the culprits.  Another slightly less
aesthetic item is the ever present hay bale.  Simply mark it in some way
to easily identify it (painted sheet again!?!).  They take abuse well
however will break before a fighter does, and it also requires some effort
to move them.
					- Anatar
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: A thought about Rialto
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.212202.26775@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu> cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles) writes:

>I had a thought about making the Rialto work a little more efficiently.

That's what Alberto Fujimori said, isn't it?

>My idea is to make the Rialto "slightly moderated," in that it could
>have subject-area moderators.
>
>These would not be moderators in the usual sense, but something more
>like experts or specialists.  An example might be Cariadoc on the
>subject of cooking, or Justin for dance (supposing that either of them
>volunteered for such a position).

So who would be the sarcasm moderator?  Hossein and I would have to fight
it out, no?


Aryk Nusbacher
From: acsoedf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric Frohnapple)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: WOW!!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	We even beath the TUCHUX to the showers!!!!!
	Having realized that most of our household was not going to fight
due to 1) injuries  2) fatigue/hangovers  3) armor problems 4) lethargy,
we realized that SOMETHING had to be done to spice up the bridge battle.
Our unit (House Lion's Tower of Aethelmarc - Rhydderich Hael) was reduced 
to a mere 5 in number.  One of our fighter's sword was broken in half (yes 
Broken-not pulped....go figure???) He decided to cut his sword off just below
the break point to make it once again useable.  Unfortunately, this left
him with a VERY short sword (and me an idea...)
	Not wanting to fight the bridge with a glaive (this proved futile in
the town battle), I decided to use a shield and my only other weapon I
had at war: a dagger.  It wasn't long before the remainder of our unit joined
in on the idea...we would perform the first annual Dagger Charge!
	We equipped the unit with daggers and the biggest shields we could 
find.  We were positioned on the bridge to the far right (looking from the East
point of view.) When the battle started, we charged with all our might.
The unit we charged must have thought we were crazy...five guys with no backup
running at them...and running at them...and running at them!  (You should have
seen the look on their faces when they realized that we were going to hit them!)
	The charge was perfectly executed.  We held unit integrity, we broke 
through their lines (three ranks deep!), and then we died like dogs.  We even
beat the TUCHUX on the charge!  Most importantly, we had LOTS of fun!!!!
Next year, we hope to do the same thing with a MUCH larger unit.......


	By the way, if anyone from Calontir is reading, it has been nice 
fighting you.  We met in the field battle this year, and in the woods last.
Both times you have been most kind and extremely chivalrous.  This makes for
a great atmosphere for battles.

Akryn
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From: MKNETTEL@kentvm.kent.EDU ("Mary Knettel ", Genevieve du Vent Argent)
Subject: Use of Houndstooth in garb
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:58:12 GMT

I've asked a few weaver friends about the documentability of
using cloth woven in a houndstooth pattern for garb, particularly
early 500-800's Britain & Ireland.

All I've gotten so far is that houndstooth is a type of twill
weave and might have been used but nothing more conclusive than
that.

Has anyone run across references to houndstooth or know where I
should look?  Also, is there some other name to describe this
twill pattern?

I found some lovely wool houndstooth fabric in white & black, red & black,
and green & black, but didn't want to buy it just because I liked it!
Though if it goes on sale, I can always make a jacket out of it!

Thanks for your help.

-Genevieve du Vent Argent, Marche of Gwyntarian, MidRealm
 Mary Knettel, KSU, Kent, OH  mknettel @ kentvm.kent.edu
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From: bobby@nmt.edu (Bobby Kehrman)
Subject: FAQ, ftp sites, Intro
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:38:36 GMT

I need to track down the both the FAQ sheet and the Intro to the SCA post that
apears from time to time.  Or an FTP site that has them.  At a dem during 
Orientation, I got a huge response. Hosiah!  But when I went to print out the 
"Intro to the SCA" post, I discovered it had gone to the great trashbin in the
sky.  Any help would be appriciated. 

				Lord Yuri Bolboishoi-Palka
				Sensechal, College of St. Golias
				Kindom of The Outlands


-- 
" Love bears all things, believes all things, |    bobby@jupiter.nmt.edu
       hopes all things, endures all things.  | New Mexico Tech, Socorro NM
       Love never fails..."  I Cor. 13:7-8    | The 68th Plane of the Abyss
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From: badorion@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (Brian A. Dorion)
Subject: Re: various and sundry
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:44:21 GMT

In article <0095FF37.BCF143A0.23640@geology.ucdavis.edu> helm@garnet.ucdavis.EDU writes:
>Drum at Midnight:
>
>Ah, a pet peeve of mine...  I, for one, am one of the great recreational 
>sleepers of this world.  I hate loud parties and drumming at events 
>which go on after a reasonable hour (read midnight).  I really do need 
>my less-than-ugly sleep (an underslept, under-caffeinated Twcs in the 
>morning is a terrible sight to behold... ;-)  I suppose I've gotten 
>spoiled by Western events, where the partying does shut down at 
>midnight...  I won't take it amiss if other kingdoms adopted the custom 
>too.  I suppose I might not object so much if I weren't so jaded by 
>modern cabaret middle eastern dancing done to bad drumming.  I supposed
>I just opened myself up to withering flaming again (yep, that's me,
>open mouth, change foot), but hey, it's just an opinion...  
>
The drumming didn't bother me except for the idiot who brought his (or her)
modern drum set.  There were a couple of nights when I would of liked to put
him through his drums and then throw him in the lake.  There is nothing
like a rock and roll drum solo to spoil atmosphere.


Brian Dorion			Herr Konrad Matthias Jaeger
Kitchener, Ontario		Bryniau Tywynnog, Ealdormere
Canada				MK

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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allocation
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:26:57 GMT

Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
                             (A notebook PC at Troll could work wonders, both for
  this and other applications!  I *heard* that one WAS used at XXI but I didn't
  see it; anybody know for sure, and if so, what for?)

There may have been others, but Herald's Point used one for organizing the
three daily cries.  I presume a computer of some sort was used to write
the Pennsic Daily Tidings.  At Herald's Point, we intended to use a
desktop, but it refused to boot.

	Tibor (as if anyone *really* cared)
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)