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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Player availability (was Re Uruguay)
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:25:46 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <9208191411.AA11511@BlackHole.hisoft.com>, james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong) writes:
> Ariel types:
> -> I wish FIFA would enact some rules that guarantee that a player can play for
> -> their national team in official games.
> 
> Why should FIFA have to do this?  It seems to me that if the Uruguayan
> players (or anyone else for that matter) are concerned about their
> ability to play on the national team, they'd have it written into their
> contracts in Europe.

It's not quite that simple though. Players from the "little" football nations
see the chance to play for a European team as a "once in a lifetime
opportunity" that they are loathe to place conditions upon in case the club
concerned says "sorry, bud, we don't want you under those conditions". For a
lot of these players the only chance they have of making a living out of the
game is to land a contract with a European club as the leagues in their home
country are possibly (probably) amateur. Overall it makes the job of said
"little" countries much harder in that their top players need to play in
stronger competitions to improve their skill levels and by doing so they become
unavailable for their national teams.

The Rugby League authorities in Australia and New Zealand have an edict which
says that if a player is unavailable for an international fixture they are
banned from club play for the week of the international which seems to work
well. Of course FIFA would need to be able to distinguish between "friendly"
and serious internationals.

Alan
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:11303 soc.culture.spain:2694
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. poland
Date: 13 Aug 1992 07:16:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug13.083748.4001@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta) writes:

>What was lucky was that the first shot by the Spanish Player bounced off a
>Polish player who just happenned to be in the way and did not go directly
>into the goal. The second shot was simply justice.

Do you mean that the Polish players should have leave the field in order
to allow the macho Spanish players to get their share of shots to the goal?
When it comes down to a better prepared team, and stats one should look at
the ratio of goals/shots taken.  I think that Spain did very poorly in this
department.


>>So, sometimes, it is luck that wins a game.
>You mean sometimes--mostly when Poland loses?

You have misunderstood my point.  But who cares, you have no brains to
realize that anyway.

>Imagine that the ball would have bounced much harder off the Polish player,
>in fact so hard that it takes off in the air, over the penalty area, the
>midfield line, and over Toni, the Spanish Goalkeeper who is surprised and 
>frozen, and then the ball takes three bounces and on the last one it hits
>the post of the Spanish goal, and dribbles down the goal line and crosses it
>just before Toni dives trying to stop it and a milisecond before the
>Colombian referee, seeing that his beloved Spanish team was about to lose,
>blows the final whistle.

As I said above.

You'll never take my point, and I'll never believe that the Spanish team
prepared their offense in such a way that they will be even in the 90th minute,
then they will take a shot which will be luckly deflected by a Polish player
directly to another Spanish player to score and win the game. Right!

I think that it was all a set up in order to entertain the king of Spain,
and get their money worth to the Spanish fans. Right!

Sasha Bucur

P.S. I am not Polish, I am no fan of the Polish team, I have nothing to
do with them.  I just thought that I should put my honest opinion on the
post.  Too bad you cannot have the intelligence that it takes to understand
that.  Bye.
From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: football PBM
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:29:02 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

Sorry, can't get through to you with direct email. But I'm
interested...is it 'real' mail or email?
From: pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. Poland
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:53:41 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:
: In article <9208122200.AA19904@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
: 
: >As for Spain vs. Poland, what I did see (all 10 or 15 minutes, thanks 
: >to nbc) the goals that were scored for the most part were very nice 
: >goals.  The plays that led up to a couple of them were debatable, but 
: >the goals themselves were nice!
: 
: Francis,
: if the ball bounces of one defender after being shot at the goal and lands
: at the feet of a player that is in offense, then do you call that goal as 
: being well planned and prepared?
: 
: I thought that the third goal scored by Spain was lucky.  The ball did not
: have to go in front of the Spanish player (#19 - do not remember the name).
: 
: So, sometimes, it is luck that wins a game.
: etc.

  Please let's not start an argument about luck and lack of it. Anyone
who has played the game seriously knows that sometimes you have a bit of
luck ('run of the ball'), and other times not so much. That is football.
We all know this to be true, and don't need argue about it.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Belgian League results. round 3.
Originator: collins@prl.philips.nl
Organization: Philips Research Labs (Nat Lab), Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:26:50 GMT

League round 3
Games played 19/8.


 FC Luik           4 Waregem SV        1
 Milosevic           Kruzen
 Sunday
 Ikpeba(2)

 SK Beveren        1 Cercle Brugge     0
 Oulare

 Club Brugge       0 Standard Luik     1
		     Bettagno

 Charleroi         5 Germinal Ekeren   1
 Malbasa             Lierreman
 Suray
 Silvagni
 Marciniak
 Zetterberg

 Lommel            1 Lierse SK         6
 Buana               Rekdal(2)
		     Kerckhoven(2)
		     Pauwels
		     De Smet

 RWD Molenbeek     1 AA Gent           1
 Medved              van Ankeren

 Lokeren SK        0 RSC Anderlecht    2
		     Crasson
		     Bosman

 KV Mechelen       2 Racing Genk       0
 Ingesson(2)

 Royal Antwerp FC  2 Boom              3
 Lehnhoff            Snow(2)
 Severeyns           Koroma


Table
-----                             Goals
Team                PL    PTS   For  Against
Anderlecht           3     6     9    2
KV Mechelen          3     6     9    2
Charleroi            3     6     8    2
Beveren              3     6     5    1
Club Brugge          3     4     6    3
Boom                 3     4     7    6
Lokeren              3     4     4    4
Standard Luik        3     4     4    4
FC Luik              3     3     7    5
AA Gent              3     3     2    2
Lierse SK            3     2     9    6
FC Antwerp           3     2     5    6
RWDM                 3     2     4    5
KRC Genk             3     1     2    5
Cercle Brugge        3     1     4    9
Waregem              3     0     2    7
Germinal Ekeren      3     0     3   11
Lommel               3     0     1   11


League Scorers (as per 19-8-92).
1. Versavel (KV Mechelen)       3 goals;
   Bettagno (Standard Luik)     3 goals;
   Ikpeba (FC Luik)             3 goals;
   Rekdal (Lierse SK)           3 goals;

-- 
Donie Collins     | Philips Research Laboratories (Natuurkundig Laboratorium). 
                  | Eindhoven. The Netherlands.
 /    /     /     | Dept : CAD Support. Building : WAY. Tel : +31-40-744091. 
Donal O Coileain  | e-mail : collins@prl.philips.nl  SERI : collins:nlwaya01
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: gibbons@libra.suneng (Alan Gibbons)
Subject: Re: Arc outside penalty AREA
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Reply-To: gibbons@libra.suneng
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:20:02 GMT

In article 25040@newsgate.sps.mot.com, altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer) writes:
> In article 23621@orion.oac.uci.edu, cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
> >In article <Bt8MyD.2E5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, chun perng cheah <ccheah@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> >|> In rec.sport.soccer you write:
> >|> 
> >|> >While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
> >|> >is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
> >|> >the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a 
> >|> >"traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
> >|> >said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
> >|> >answer...
> >|> 
> >|> >Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
> >|> 
> >|> Tom,- The arc is to ensure that everyone is the same distance from the ball 
> >|> when a penalty is taken. Thus, some players won't have an unfair advantage when
> >|> trying to get a rebound, if there is indeed one.
> >|> 
> >|> CP Cheah
> >
> >That doesn't make sense to me.  If there is a rebound, the ball will 
> >bounce off the keeper, the bar or the posts.  The player who stand
> >right behind the penalty taker outside the arc will have the longest
> >distance to reach the ball, if on average, the ball come out from the
> >center of the goal.  It seems to me that the acr is drawn with the
> >center right in between the goal line. Then, this would ensure that
> >players are approx. the same distance from the ball at the instant
> >of rebounce, not when the penalty is taken.
> >
> >Kelvin
> 
> 
> Come on people, doesn't anybody know the Laws of the Game?  At a penalty kick,
> all players except the kicker and the goalkeeper have to be outside the penalty
> area *and* 10 yards off the ball.  Since the penalty mark is 12 yards from the 
> goal line, it's only 6 yards from the top of the area.  Hence the restraining
> arc with a radius of 10 yards, centered on the penalty spot.  In fact, most 
> other players do try to place themselves at the intersection of the arc and
> 18-yard line to get in best position for a rebound.
> 
> -- Bob
> 
> ps - it's the "penalty area" -- not box.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not in the true home of soccer - the land of the topless Royals !

___________________________________________________________________

Alan Gibbons (misplaced Brit)
Motorola ASIC Division		
Arizona USA			


Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema)
Subject: Dutch competition
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:19:33 GMT

Yes, the Dutch league has started once again. Here are some results of the
first round:
PSV (or should we say Philips SV) beat Roda JC 2-0.
Ajax beat SVV/Dordrecht'90 3-0.
Feyenoord beat Twente 5-0. (Yes: FIVE - nil)
All the other matches were drawn.

mazzel

eelco
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:47:19 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <2A8AF9CF.23739@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>
>>> As a Syrian, I grew up worshiping the Argentenian soccer cuz my whole body
>>> shakes when they are playing.  When watching these guys play, I get the
>>> feeling that a lot of them were born with a soccer ball in their hands.
>>
>>Well that would explain a lot :-) :-) :-).
>
>Well.  Could you further explain what you meant?
>What does the fact of me being Syrian have to do with me worshipping the
>Argentinian soccer?

Warning. Severe sense of humour failure. Alan was referring to the end
of your last sentence where you talk about being "born with a soccer
ball in their hands". Ironic when you consider the "Hand of God"
incident. No?

Personally, I regard Maradona as a great player, but he has let himself
down severely with his antics both on and off the pitch. His behaviour
in the 1990 World Cup Final was a disgrace, and his fall from grace in
Naples involving cocaine and prostitutes didn't do much for his
reputation.

>[Argentinian teams deleted]

Jeez. Do you really think everyone on rec.sport.soccer wants to see the
names of these teams tacked on to the end of every one of your posts?
Hardly very interesting, especially when it's the umpteenth time.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Qualified in 3rd. place
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:21:53 GMT

Somebody wrote that both in Mexico 86 and Italy 90, the
teams which qualified to 2nd. round as the third team of
their elimination group, lost all immediately in 2nd. round.

Boy, that's completely mistaken!
In 1986, Belgium qualified to round 2 as the third team
(after Mexico and Paraguay) and then become the 4th
world team (with a little help from the referee in its
match against the USSR, but anyway).
In 1990, Argentina qualified to round 2 as the third team
(after Cameroon and Romania!) and we all remember how far
it has gone.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: A bit of moderation is needed
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:00:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.085806.5437@rdg.dec.com> tanner@kbomfg.enet.dec.com (Dave Tanner) writes:
>
>>What ????, You mean like you want this group to be a one boring newsgroup
>>without any arguments, contreversies and opinions. I mean nobody's throwing
>>punches or shooting, this kind of stuff is healthy for the newsgroup.
>>If that's the case then maybe you should drop the group.
>
>    Mario I presume you are american or at least live there, otherwise you
>wouldn't have mentioned "throwing punches or shooting". Is that how you settle
>an argument?????? I wouldn't call this a boring news group at all, but Iam
>sure there's a political group as well, so some of the folks should forward
>their garbage into that group and stop polluting this one.
>

I think when comes down to throwing punches or shooting, I would say that
Europeans are better at that, just look at the history. Secondly bars are bars no
matter where you go - Europe, US, etc., there are some people who know how
to arque, and other people who only know how to throw puches. 


>   Mario running a person or a persons country down might be healthy in your
>eyes, but Iam sure its not in everybody elses. If you are American, are you
>proud to be one????? Maybe now you will understand how other nationals feel
>about their countries and cultures.

Wait a momment !!!!, running what country down. Whatever I said pertained
to football, nothing whatsoever to race, color or nationality. I agree
racial, color, or nationalistic insults are not to be tolerated, but after
all do you want for every one to agree with each other? However, in 
regards to football there should be arguments, contreversies, disagreements.
Afterall you have people from all continents posting to this group, do
you expect for everyone to have the same opinion? Only through
long discussions and arguments we will get to the buttom of it all.

I dont look at this newsgroup as some sort of a news bullitin on football,
rather I'm interesed in opinions, discussions, etc,..


regards,

mario s.
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Southern America (was FIFA....)
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:42:12 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:

>In response to the postings below most notably Radu's comment...

>"Now, no matter how partisan you can be, I do not see how you could 
>possibly enroll these facts in the service of the argument you made. 
>South America has only two teams that do count: Brazil and Argentina. "

>Personally I would think that with so many talented players trying to 
>make the Argentinian or Brazilian teams, that it would be difficult to 
>form other teams with the same power and prowess.

>I wonder also if, financially, it would be difficult to field 
>additional teams from South American countries.  Any opinions?

Eh.. we are talking about national teams here. Not clubs. The only
players trying to make it to the Brazilian or Argentian team are
Brazilians and Argentinians. What the other countries do have no
influence on your talent pool. You can only use your own countrymen.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC negative press in chicago
Summary: Relax and don't worry
Date: 16 Aug 92 11:53:50 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

In article <92226.190529U43405@uicvm.uic.edu> LINDA GEHARD <U43405@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>To all soccer and world cup fans,
>     This is an article found in the Chicago Sun Times July 1 issue.  It was
>written by Steve Rosenbloom and all responses should be directed to him ...
>
( ---------------------- text of article deleted ---------------------------- )
>
>     The views expressed in this article do not reflect my views or the entire
>American public's views....This is an editorial....I thought the entire net
>should read this...Please respond to Mr. Rosenbloom...This shouldn't be left
>alone....thank you for your time....
>
>These opinions aren't mine....thank god.
>-Linda Gehard
> u43405@uicvm.uic.edu
> ircnick: Marie1 (The one, the ONLY!)
>

Don't worry, Linda. Just forget that crap and relax.
I will not respond to Mr. Rosenbloom; I have nothing to talk
to him about. We all would have gone crazy if we cared about
every piece of rubbish we meet.

BTW, I've always thought it was not the best idea to hold
the 1994 World Cup in the US (even if most Americans disagree
with Mr. Rosenbloom's opinions, in which I profoundly believe).
I think FIFA cares too much about money and too little about
soccer.

---------------

Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
From: mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Uruguay (WAS:FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 19 Aug 1992 17:49:59 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spam.berkeley.edu

In article <9208191411.AA11511@BlackHole.hisoft.com> james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong) writes:
>Ariel types:
>-> I wish FIFA would enact some rules that guarantee that a player can play for
>-> their national team in official games.
>
>Why should FIFA have to do this?  It seems to me that if the Uruguayan
>players (or anyone else for that matter) are concerned about their
>ability to play on the national team, they'd have it written into their
>contracts in Europe.

It doesn't work that way.  Believe me,  nobody is more concerned about his
national team than Francescoli,  and he wasn't able to do it.  When a player
goes from making $40,000/year to $400,000+/year, and his club nets a cool
million or more for the transaction, considerations about the national team
are not enforced.  Well, *South American* national teams, that is. UEFA teams
are quite respectful of *European* national team schedules, which is fine.
FIFA should make sure that the rest of the world gets the same consideration.

Ariel
From: SEMIBRA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Fin.-Bul. Result ? CIS & Yugos in WC qualifiers ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:33:14 GMT
Organization: Yale University

Can a good  soul please e-mail me the result of the WC qualification game
between Finland and Bulgaria on 14.05.92 ?
 
  Also, what is going to happen to the CIS and Yugoslavian slots in the
european group 5 ?
 
  Thanks,
          Ibrahim (preferred e-mail adress : semiz@yalehep.bitnet)
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cups 1930-1990 (was Wanted)
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:00:54 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:

>	(No third-place game.  Semi-finals were:
>	 Argentina 6, USA 1   and   Uruguay 6, Yugoslavia 1)

USA was awarded the third place as Yugoslavia didn't turn op to the
third place match. That was the first and so far only medal (are they
given bronze medals?) for a team not from Europe or South America.

Some fuel to the ongoing Europe vs South America flamewar:

Europe has had 39 (14 different (with Germany = West Germany)) teams 
among the top 4, South America 16 (4 different).
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
From: pchung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (PLC)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Wanted player changes in the Dutch League
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:59:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hello,

As the subject header indicates, I am intersted in 
any player changes in the Dutch "Eere Divisie"
And if possible Coaches changes too.
Especially those of AJAX, PSV, Feijenoord, Groningen

So please someone in the Netherlands (Joost?, Don?
Karel?) Could you guys help me out, or anyone else
with some informations.

I would like to know transfers to and from.

Thanx


  P L C                                         Pai-Liang Chung
  pchung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu			206S. 42nd Street
  pchung@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu			Philadelphia, PA 19104
  pchung@nwell.cis.upenn.edu			(215)-387-2472
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