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From: David Krowitz <krowitz@quake.mit.edu>
        destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!alberta!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!ajfcal!novatel!hpeyerl@gumby.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Need Some Advice..
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:54:48 GMT
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Sigh! Can't you people understand the difference between the ISO
physical/transmission layer and the protocal layer? 

"Ethernet" does *NOT* mean TCP/IP ! Apollo Token Ring (ATR) does *NOT*
mean DDS ! These are two different physical wiring and transmission
implementations which can support *any* protocal. Commonly used protocals
used over Ethernet wiring are: UDP (Unix utilities, Sun RPC (eg. NFS)),
DECnet, DDS (yes, virginia, Apollo Domain protocals), XDS (from Xerox,
rumored predecesor of DDS), and the good-old TCP/IP.

"Ethernet" is a specification for a physical wiring scheme(s) (originally
thicknet with MAU attachments, now including thin-net and 
T-Base-10 (Unshielded Twisted Pair == UTP) *AND* a *PHYSICAL* (note the
emphasis) tramission format, ie. physical packet addressing format, minimum
/maximum packet size, collision/error handling, etc. It does *NOT* specify
logical addressing (such as IP addresses, which have *no* relation to
any physical destination -- even on the local cable). 

"ATR" is the same as "Ethernet" -- it specifies a type of cable, connectors,
transceivers, and physical addressing -- *not* the software protocal
contained in the physical packets. 

The ATR boards on the HP series 700 machines specify the physical and
transmission layers of the ISO model. They are compatible with the boards
in the DN2500/3000/3500/4000/4500/5500 series. They may even be the 
same board, for all I know and/or care. The 700 series only speaks TCP/IP
and UDP protocals over these ATR boards *AND* over their Ethernet 
interfaces because the HP-UX kernal only implements these software protocals.
A very small subset of the DDS protocals were added to the HP-UX kernal for
the 700 series in order to allow 700 series machines to respond to things
like the /com/lcnode command (lists connected nodes on the ATR net). The
response to DDS protocal is done by the OS kernal, *not* the interface board.
This is why Apollo (pre-HP) machines on Ethernet-only or ITR-only networks
can function correctly -- the interface card has nothing to do with the
DDS protocal *other* than physically delivering the packet to the OS kernal
on the proper machine. The OS kernal then must decide whether the incoming
packet is a DDS packet, a TCP/IP packet, a UDP packet, or some unsupported
type (like DECnet, for instance).

In summary, the HP series 700 speaks *only* UDP and TCP/IP software protocals
over its Ethernet and/or ATR interfaces because HP-UX only supports those
protocals. They speak an extremely limitted subset of DDS protocals over
the ATR interface so that Domain/OS machines on the ATR net can detect the
presense of the 700 series machines and can then speak UDP and TCP/IP 
protocals (FTP, telnet, rlogin, NFS) over their ATR interfaces to the
700 series machines.

== Dave Krowitz
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From: jaw@engin.umich.edu (Winters)
Subject: postscript viewer
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:35:40 GMT
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Does anyone know of any software that could view postscript
files on apollo.  We want to be able to send a postscript file
to an apollo gpr bitmap printer.  

Jamie Winters
Network Administrator CAD/CAM Engineering
Micro Switch division of Honeywell
jaw@cadnet.micro.honeywell.com
815-235-5576

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From: nih-csl.dcrt.nih.gov!helix.nih.gov!rvenable@uunet.uu.net  (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: Just what is in a Apollo 9000/730?
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:09:00 GMT
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In order to clarify some things I said earlier, a couple of which  were
incorrect:

(1) I got the wrong name from somewhere; Douglas Voorhies is one the 
engineers on the DN10000, not Paul Bemis who is apparently a "marketing"
person.

(2) PA-RISC existed before the merger; just not in the same form.  To
quote from "Workstation" magazine:

	All three models use a new generation of the PA-RISC
 	architecture that adds a small number of critical
	compound, or superscalar, instructions found in
	Apollo's PRISM architecture to the basic instruction
	set of HP 9000 Series 800.

Other relevant quotes from an earlier issue of the same rag, attributed
to Bob Weinberger (yet another marketing person):

	The Apollo Systems Division here in Chelmsford has been
	given strategic ownership for HP's workstation RISC program.

	HP previously has not had a specific workstation RISC program.
	HP's existing RISC workstations were all introduced as multi-
	user systems first and the retrofitted to take advantage of
	Motorola workstation graphics products developed in 
	Fort Collins.

So, my point is the 7xx series has benefitted greatly from once Apollo
technical people, especially those involved in the PRISM architecture,
whatever their names are.  If only it came with DomainOS and a true ATR
board...

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From: nih-csl.dcrt.nih.gov!helix.nih.gov!rvenable@uunet.uu.net  (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: Need Some Advice..
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:19:16 GMT
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In article <9211181553.AA14729@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) writes:

	[ long networking tutorial deleted ]

>In summary, the HP series 700 speaks *only* UDP and TCP/IP software protocals
>over its Ethernet and/or ATR interfaces because HP-UX only supports those
>protocals. They speak an extremely limitted subset of DDS protocals over
>the ATR interface so that Domain/OS machines on the ATR net can detect the
>presense of the 700 series machines and can then speak UDP and TCP/IP 
>protocals (FTP, telnet, rlogin, NFS) over their ATR interfaces to the
>700 series machines.

Huh? I thought all this had been established here.  The question is which
Apollo machines  can actually communicate via DDS and IP packets on it's
token ring board-- or how do I integrate an HP 7xx into an existing DDS ring?
Does one machine need 2 ATR cards or what?


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From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!sun4nl!rlmix1.rulimburg.nl!schoo@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Patrick Schoo)
Subject: Installing SR10.3 on a small disk
Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:04:08 GMT
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Q: Is it possible to install SR10.3 on a small disk (80Mb)?

At our department we had one Apollo DN-4000 and one DN-3000. A few weeks
ago the DN-4000 crashed. The remaining DN-3000, which relied on the DN-4000
for its OS, could not be used either. Still I want to use the DN-3000 in
our network as a print server. The problem is now that I have to put the
complete OS on (what Apollo used to call) a small disk (80 Mb). 

Since the disk is too small to contain even the smallest distribution
(Aegis small), during the installation I removed some directories using
a second window. I removed the following directories:
	/sau[2..12] (except sau8)
	/sys/debug
	/sys/dm/fonts
	/sys/hardcopy
	/usr/apollo/ada
	/usr/lib.uucp

After the installation the system will not reboot. It starts the phase
II shell, but from there the Display Manager doesn't start with the GO
command. After approximately half a minute the system returns to the
phase II shell with the status OK.

Then I tried to start the SPM. From there it is possible to start a
shell by casting the SH command. Now I can login as user.none.none but
I have no root permission. To become root it is necessary to start the
llbd, glbd and rgyd. The last daemon causes the problem, because I need
root privileges to start it. In the normal startup this is solved by
creating an empty file /etc/daemons/rgyd. During the startup phase in
the /etc/rc* files there is a built-in check for existence of files in
/etc/daemons. The corresponding daemons are started with the right
privileges. However, the SPM does not run the rc files.

I had a second go, reading an old registry from a DN-4000's backup
tape. With /install/tools/rbak_sr10 (which has the uid bit set) it is
possible to read a tape and restore /sys/registry/rgy_local.
Unfortunately, after I try to login as root with the password I used on
the DN-4000 the systems tells me this account is blocked for login.

I'm out of ideas. Does anyone have a suggestion?

= Patrick Schoo (schoo@cs.rulimburg.nl) =
= Department of Computer Science        =
= University of Limburg                 =
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Subject: Re: Config says there's a floppy drive
Organization: Bull HN UK
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:57:56 GMT
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zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>I would be very surprised if there were any harmful effects of this bug.
>I have never noticed *any* high-level effect arising from the configuration
>set with CONFIG.  I have used systems with this information set completely
>haywire, but nothing seemed to care.  *Does* anything actually use this
>information?
According to my Apollo support person, almost all of config's
information is ignored. The exception is the primary network (802.3 or
Token Ring). If this is set wrongly you can have big problems until
you work out the problem!

Eoin.
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Subject: Re: Problems with X11 and SR10.4
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:35:56 GMT
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John R Marley (jrm@zeta.ma.adfa.oz.au) wrote:
: First, on a couple of the 425t's, the X server seems to lose track of the
: available fonts.  Reboot the machine, and everything works fine.  Some time
: later, applications start to fail proclaiming that they can't find font such
: and such.  'xlsfonts' lists the font that supposedly can't be found.  Reboot
: the machine and everything works again.  This has been reported on 425t's
: booted off different 5500's.

This was (probably) a bug in X11 R4 (I think as it came from MIT).  What
happened was the font alias-caching would put the wrong directory in the
cache on the first font access and the next access would fail.  What
triggered the problem was the same font in fonts.dir files in different
directories but the font itself wasn't in all the directories (if I
remember correctly).  You can probably work around the problem by
juggling your font path (xset fp) or removing the duplicate fonts.  I
fixed the bug (a while ago) and hopefully it made it into a patch
release.

    Craig Durland       (503) 750-3354
    Hewlett-Packard, 1000 NE Circle, Corvallis, OR 97330
    craig@cv.hp.com
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From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!russells@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Russell Street)
Subject: gcc 2.3.1 on Apollo 9000
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:20:33 GMT
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Hi

What do I have to do to get gcc 2.3.1 to compile on an Apollo 9000/700
workstation.

i.e.,
	what files, patches etc do I need to get aside from the original
		gcc distribution
	where do I get them if there are any
	What do I type (literally) into the prompt to get it to compile
	(like what options to ./configure etc)
	Do you need the HP ANSI C compiler to do this or can you use
	the minimal one supplied.
	Any other good advice?


Thanks in advance...
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From: van-bc!cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!torn!nott!bnrgate!bmerh85!brtpa25!psycho@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Paul Jezioranski)
Subject: HELP: edrgy Usage
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:32:37 GMT
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On a stand-alone DN3500 with SR10.3 and logged in as 'root', I type 'edrgy'.
When I try to 'add user1.%.%', the response is "account_id not found --
RGYC/Client" or something like that. I thought the add command in edrgy was
for adding new users; the BSD manual indicates this. Using 'edrgy -l' didn't
work either because the 'add' command doesn't work for the local registry.

What am I doing wrong?

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From: bri@athena.mit.edu  (Brian D. Carlstrom)
Subject: Format of /etc/exports
Organization: mit
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:54:11 GMT
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hmm trying to setup my apollo nfs for the first time. basically
all i want is for random.mit.edu to be able to mount / and //
on apollo.mit.edu. what should my exports contain. i have the same
UID's on both systems. also, with just 
/
//
in exports it lets me mount from anywhere and access my files.
with 
/ random
// random
or 
/ random.mit.edu
// random.mit.edu
it does work. i also tried thses with -access=random[.mit.edu] and no luck.
is there something else i need to setup. mind you, it works with just /,//
but that isnt to secure :^)

-bri
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From: panther!mothost!white!rtsg.mot.com!mailbox!kgallo@uunet.uu.net  (Kevin Gallo)
Subject: Dynamic Linking - Port of Andrew Toolkit
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:52:31 GMT
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I am trying to port the Andrew Toolkit developed at CMU to the apollo 10.4 Domain environment.

I am having trouble with the dynamic linking as well as others.  I have turned on the -W0,pic, -a -r options to the compiler and -a -r -A noallres -A loadhigh options to the linker.  However, whenever the applications try to load I get an error indicating that the code is not position independent.  I have stopped the linking of the static X11 libraries as well.

I am not sure what else needs to be done to make code dynamically linkable.

Any help would be appreciated.

Kevin Gallo
Motorola CIG Ft Worth TX
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From: davidy@hwcae.az.honeywell.com (David Young)
Subject: Re: Installing SR10.3 on a small disk
Posted-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06: 09:33 -0700
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:09:33 GMT
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** (Patrick Schoo) on 16 Nov 92 23:20:09 GMT
** in [Installing SR10.3 on a small disk] writes:

Patrick> Q: Is it possible to install SR10.3 on a small disk (80Mb)?

Patrick> Since the disk is too small to contain even the smallest distribution
Patrick> (Aegis small), during the installation I removed some directories using
Patrick> a second window. I removed the following directories:

Patrick> /sys/dm/fonts

Well this is why the DM doesn't come up.
These are the fonts used on my node when it is up.

$ llkob | fgrep fonts
  R   nR_xor_1W            2EF67         2EF67     /sys/dm/fonts/f5x9
  R   nR_xor_1W            2EF67         2EF67     /sys/dm/fonts/icons
  R   nR_xor_1W            2EF67         2EF67     /sys/dm/fonts/f5x9.b
  R   nR_xor_1W            2EF67         2EF67     /sys/dm/fonts/f5x9
  R   nR_xor_1W            2EF67         2EF67     /sys/dm/fonts/f5x9.iv




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From: mjohnson@ssesco.com (Michael Johnson)
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Subject: How to create an Xwindows Font
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:46:43 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: SSESCO

Date: 16 Nov 92 16:25:45 GMT
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I am working on an IBM RS-6000 developing an application in GL and 
X windows.  I need to make my own named Xwindows font, that I can 
load into the GL system with the gl call loadXfont.  This takes the
same name that an Xloadfont call would take for an exisiting font.
The O'Reilly books tell me a lot about how to load a font and how to
use it once it is loaded but they don't tell me how to create my own
font.  Is there a way to save a font or create a named font that I 
could call from the loadXfont call??

If you have a responce please email me.
thanks

mike.
From: jeff@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Jeff White)
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Subject: Need help dragging objects on drawing area
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:19:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA

Date: 9 Nov 92 22:04:07 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Nov9.220407.2433@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


Hello,

I am writing an application that draws objects to the screen and connects
lines to these objects depending on the relations between the objects.

When the user selects an object, I would like to 'gray' it out, and let
the user 'drag' the object around the screen.
The object won't be changing size, just its location.

Question 1: How do you go about dragging an object around the drawing area?
            Can this be done ?

I have the rubber-band functions, those can be obtained from most X/Motif books.

The object is also draw in an unmanaged Pixmap, so that when the drawing area is
resized or exposed I can copy the info from the Pixmap to the Drawing Area.
I keep track of the objects and their relations in a tree type data structure,
I also keep each objects location, width and height in the trees nodes.

Question 2: How can I print text vertically?  I read in a book that libraries
            are in development to help the programmer do this or until Display 
            PostScript comes to X.  Any ideas how I can do this?

Any advice, comments, source code would be very helpful.

System Configuration: DEC/ULTRIX, X windows X11R4, Motif 1.1.

Thanks in advance for your help and time!!!

					Jeff White
					cbis.ece.drexel.edu
From: gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu
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Subject: Re: xauth !!
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:26:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:17:35 EST
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>I can't seem to find how xauth works.
>...I'm not sure someone else on my machine won't
>be able to use 'my' X server, ...

Try reading the XSecurity(1) manual page for more of an overview
of how X Window System security works.

 < Stephen
   MIT X Consortium
From: 6500msd@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Michael D'Errico)
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Subject: Re: Finding out the number of 'free' cells in the color map
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:14:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: 18 Nov 92 01:08:25 GMT
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In article <1992Nov15.193125.19911@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:

|In article <1992Nov13.072332.27682@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:

|> I want to use XAllocColor many times to allocate color cells that can
|> be shared by other applications.  But I want to know in advance how
|> many of these will be available.  How can I do this ?

|You can't.  For one thing, it depends on exactly what colors you're
|allocating, because you may match colors that are already allocated and
|hence get an already-allocated cell instead of a new one.  Even if you
|rephrase it to ask "how many cells are unallocated", there is no simple
|way to answer it; you have to try it and see.  (Unless you want to
|design and implement an extension, of course.)

|> [code example]

|> I want to know how many color cells are going to be available so that
|> I can adjust the value of maxno, and prepare data[i]'s accordingly.
|> More specifically, I want to make sure that result is always
|> succesful(true).

|Can't be done.  Even if you did contrive somehow to find out how many
|cells are free, other clients could allocate cells while you're
|working.  You'd have to grab the server to prevent this....

I agree that there is no way (at least not yet) to query the number of unused
color cells in a colormap.  You could probably get around this with the
following approach:  use a loop that adjusts maxno until you successfully
allocate the colormap.  The following pseudo-code shows what I would try:

        maxno = desired_maxno;
        done = False;

        while (!done && maxno>=min_allowable_maxno)  {
          if (try_to_allocate_maxno_colors)
            done = True;
          else  {
            free_any_allocated_colors;
            maxno--;
            }

        if (!done)
          error;


Michael D'Errico
6500msd@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu