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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Axl / Riots / All that shit
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:20:43 GMT

In article <BsyBDB.7Mu@cs.dal.ca> graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.194007.16408@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR) writes:
>>
>>Duff sing?  Maybe he should learn how to play bass first.  
>
>Duff can't play bass? And Slash can't play guitar either right?

Duff is an average good bassist, but Slash is not such a great guitarist. I
find his stuff pretty sloppy generally, although APPETITE was pretty good. 
However, beyond Slash is good only barely beyond what very guitarist is
supposed to be able to play well (which is all you need to play music
anyway), but Slash is not the stellar guitarist many people make him out to
be. (And as someone said in alt.guitar, don't say "he feels the music" 
because every musician feels the music (s)he is playing if (s)he  is 
serious about it). 

>He is WAY above average when it comes to rock bassists. His basslines are
>pretty original and he doesn't just follow the guitar riffs.

True.

>The stuff he plays is a heck of a lot more interesting than what
>Jason Newstead plays - improve-wise. 
>
Don't compare Duff to Newsted. They're two completely different kinds of
bassists, one being rock'n'roll the other thrash (no comments on the latter).

>btw - does Jason Newstead still play a 5 string? If so, why?

Because it's different. Most thrash bassists don't play five strings (although
John Gallagher from Raven played an 8-string).  And don't say that it's
also because the new stuff is slow enough for him to play it on a 5-string
because he still has to play all their old songs. Aside from the fact that
Newsted doesn't want to take any interesting riffs or solos for Metallica
within songs mostly I guess as we've disputed about a month ago becayse he
reveres Hetfield and whatever Hetfield says to him goes (not like Cliff who
did what he wanted because Hetfield to him wasn't a legend, just a guy he
hung around and played music with). 

philip
"Washington Boulevard, east-bound. Thirty-three...Can I get a transfer, man?
Ninety-five cents?! FUCK YOU I'LL SKATE TO THE BEACH, AND I'LL LOOK BETTER
GETTING THERE!!!" - Faith No More, "Death March"
e-mail Philip Wang at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: I Just Don't Get It - was Best Drummer
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:34:46 GMT
Reply-To: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <67200008@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, phil@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Phil Hildenbrand) writes:
|> Let's also not forget Charlie Watts -- Mr. Steady.    
|>

While related to the "Best Drummers" topic, I'll digress a little and start
a new thread called "I just don't get it (or him/her/them)".

For me, Charlie Watts falls in this category.  I grew up with the Stones,
but I've never thought of Watts as more than an average drummer at best.
He's rarely mentioned in the same breath with the legendary rock drummers
(Moon, Bonham, Appice, et al), and certainly not with the jazz drummers
(Tony Williams, Max Roach, et al).

Yes, I've heard Watts' jazz albums and while they're okay as jazz, he does
nothing to stand out as the drummer (in my opinion).  Listen to Dave
Weckl's or Tony Williams' solo albums and you can hear the definite
influence each gives to the music.

Charlie Watts - I don't get it.

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From: gdavis@the-1st-tee.East.Sun.COM (Geoffrey Davis - SunExpress Telemarketing)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Best Drummer?
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:37:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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So far, so good...I'd like to add two names here for consideration.

1) Prarie Prince, The Tubes.  Most recently he has toured with Todd Rundgren and Jefferson Starship

2) Jonethan Mover...Most recently he has played with and appeared on Joe Satriani albums and he toured with Alice Cooper in Europe and was the drummer for GTR.

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From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: James Hetfield injured
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:54:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Aug9.220251.4265@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> dave@hundun.cnd.mcgill.ca (David Johnson) writes:
>
>It was Axl's fault that the crowd rioted.  GNR left the stage 45 minutes
>into the show cause of Axl's throat, and it was the GNR fans that rioted.

  This seems much more plausible since most GNR fans are stupid as is GNR.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander)
Subject: Re: James Hetfield injured
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:48:54 GMT

In article <l8juq7INNe8b@earth.cs.utexas.edu>, eric@cs.utexas.edu (Eric Thomas Brown) writes:
> 
> 
> 	OK, someone please explain something to me here.  Let's forget
> for just a moment the argument concerning whether or not Axl can sing.
> Why on earth would anyone actually want to idolize this guy?  I mean,
> I can understand liking the music etc., but to IDOLIZE this idiot?  I
> see constant reminders on MTV everyday of why I shouldn't idolize this
> joker.  Anyone who does idolize him scares me...
> 

"Don't hail me and don't idolize the ink,
  or I've failed in my intentions
  (can you find the missing link)?
Your only validation is in living your own life;
  vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time."

Axl Rose -- "Don't Damn Me" Use Your Illusion I

-- Alex --



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From: tmcalice@perdido.webo.dg.com (Tim McAlice)
Subject: Re: Lollapalooza '93/Great Woods MA
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:43:14
	<keW35Ia00awU4E9EVv@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: NSDD, Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

 
 ***
 Regarding Re: Lollapalooza '93/Great Woods MA;
 pk1n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Everett Knag, Jr.) writes:

 Paul> Excerpts from netnews.alt.rock-n-roll: 11-Aug-92 Lollapalooza '93/Great
 Paul> Wood.. Ray Charbonneau@athena.m (499)

> WFNX reported today that Lollapaloooza '93 (if it happens) won't be allowed
> back to Great Woods because it "doesn't fit their image".  

> Aaaugh!

> Let this be a lesson to the rest of you - don't burn the concert area's
> fences (unless it's cold).

 Paul> It's hardly surprising since it's becoming a Great
 Paul> Woods/Lollapalooza tradition to have grass fights and build
 Paul> bonfires at dusk.  It happened last year during Living Colour's
 Paul> set and this year during Ministry's.  They simply didn't have
 Paul> adequate security.  Too bad for them, and their image.

Aaaugh!!!  I find this statement very disturbing!  Are you suggesting
that grass fights and bonfires in which the fences of Great Woods are
torn down and burned is acceptable behaviour, and that when you go to
a concert you want to see not only that, but also tussles between
concert-goers and venue security?  How about respect for other concert
goers (I can't imagine that everyone enjoyed the grass fights, the
bonfires, or the wanton destruction of property), respect for other
people's property?  

There are a lot of traditions in this world, and not all of them are
good.  Asking for more security to sort them out is not the solution.
Personal freedom includes the responsibility of respecting other
persons.  I, for one, do not wish to give away my personal freedom to
any security force because I cannot handle that responsibility.

--
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                                                   CEO: Tim McAlice:DGC
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Minneapolis Rock of the 90's
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <17AUG199213064313@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
>Hello, can anyone out there (maybe in the Twin Cities) help me out?
>
>I was recently in Minneapolis and heard a great radio station-they called 
>themselves the Rock of the 90's, and had a playlist like a college station-
>I found it very refreshing and enjoyed it beyond belief. In Cleveland they 
>started a new music station, but it only went half way-this was the real 
>thing, and it really was great. I haven't heard so many new, good songs as 
>I did in the week I was there, all year here in Cleveland.

That would be Modern Rock 104.  But guess what?  It's changing to a country
music station on September 7th.  Not too surprising.  In the past 5 years
it went from crap to heavy metal to top 40 to modern rock to classic rock
to modern rock to heavy metal to crap to modern rock to...well...you get
the picture.  Too bad, it was the second best station in the cities.
>
Sorry, can't help you with the female, though.

>Could someone mail me the answer? and for those of you in the Twin Cities, 
>I really enjoyed the area, and loved the radio station.
>
>
>Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland

-Rick
From: landrews@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Luke Andrews)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Latest GNR/Metallica cancellations
Date: 16 Aug 92 11:53:16 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

>>          Aug  12  Denver, CO    POSTPONED
>>          Aug  14  San Diego, CA POSTPONED
>>          Aug  17  Vancouver, BC CANCELLED
>
>
>Why did they *cancel* Vancouver? Does Canada not want them in the country
>anymore after the Montreal incident?

The reason, as far as I heard, is not because of Guns N' Roses, or Axl, it was actually because of Metallica's guitarist (what's his name?) being injured at the riot.  They couldn't find a replacement in time for concert, so the whole thing got cancelled.

I don't care personally.  I'm not a big fan of Gn'r, Metallica or Faith No More, and I didn't have tickets.  But I'm sure there are plenty of other people here who are kinda pissed off.

Besides, its too hot here to see a concert.  Far too hot (for Vancouver anyway).

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

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From: mdmelvin@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Tyrant)
Subject: Re: James Hetfield injured
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:38:35 GMT

In article <l8juq7INNe8b@earth.cs.utexas.edu> eric@cs.utexas.edu (Eric Thomas Brown) writes:
>In article <BswAzp.Hno@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mdmelvin@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Tyrant) writes:
>
>>I was at.  No big deal.  I have assholes for idols.  I don't have a problem 
>
>	OK, someone please explain something to me here.  Let's forget
>for just a moment the argument concerning whether or not Axl can sing.
>Why on earth would anyone actually want to idolize this guy?  I mean,
>I can understand liking the music etc., but to IDOLIZE this idiot?  I
>see constant reminders on MTV everyday of why I shouldn't idolize this
>joker.  Anyone who does idolize him scares me...
>
>
>				Eric Brown
>				eric@cs.utexas.edu
>


  I was being sarcastic.  Everyone was making me sound like I IDOLIZED Axl.
I don't.  I also feel sorry for the rest of the band, because their existence
is becoming a joke.  However, I would feel sorry for Axl if the rest of the 
band left underneath him.  He would be throwing away alot.  I do hope he
smartens up a bit.


					Tyrant.

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: danielg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Daniel Matthew Gaines)
Subject: Re: Lemmy : Mama I'm Comin' Home
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:28:51 GMT


In article <1992Aug16.215401.1@research.ptt.nl> you write:
>In article <18291.2a8e530c@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 9018767a@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>> I just read the writing credits of Ozzy Osbourne's song "Mama I'm Coming 
>> Home" and the last name was Lemmy Kilmister (presumably of Motorhead).
>> 
>> Can anyone enlighten me on what the great mole-faced ugly one had to do with 
>> writing this song??  Personally, I like the song, but I can't imagine
>> Lemmy "Shout and hope for the best" Kilmister contributing to it.
>
>But he did! Apparently he and Ozzy have been friends for a while. 
>If I remember correctly Ozzy sang at the last Motorhead album. 
>But why are you so surprised?
>
>    Mike

ozzy also sings on motorhead's new album.  the song is
i aint no nice guy.  i heard it on the radio a couple weeks ago
and it sounded real cool.

later daze
dan
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From: saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan Bodenheimer)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Asia's _Aqua_
Date: 18 Aug 1992 18:54:40 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


The new Asia album is put out by IRS Intercorp Record Service,
catalog number IRS 986.959, the UPC code is 4 006759 869598

There is a couple of more codes, LP IRS 951.959 (for LP version?)
                                 MC IRS 949.959 (for Cassette?)

Made in Germany, copyright 1992 by Bandhall Ltd, music copyright by
nosebag Music ltd.

Who Will Stop The Rain is a pretty good song, probably the single, but
I also like Someday and Don't Call Me.

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From: djd7889@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Douglas J. Deutsch)
Subject: Re: Best Drummer????
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Aug 1992 08:29 EST  

In article <1992Aug11.195205.29398@nic.funet.fi>, tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes...
>In article <1992Aug11.143825.6228@hubcap.clemson.edu> lludwig@hubcap.clemson.edu (Larry "Ludes" Ludwig) writes:
>>Hey...  Since we are talking about the best of's.... Who do you think in your
>>opinion is the best drummer???  I think: 
> 
>In my opinion Vinny Appice is the best drummer ever. He has played in
>several bands, most notable being Black Sabbath and Dio. Then, also
>Cozy Powell in '70s was great, but in my opinion, his drumming has
>gone downwards in '80s and '90s. I also like the sound of Dire
>Straits' old drummer, but I don't remember his name just now. I mean
>that rather small and 'strange-looking' guy.
> 

Dire Straits old drummer was a guy by the name of Pick Withers. 

DJD
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From: Donald Becker <marilion@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Latest GNR/Metallica cancellations
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:15:22 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:

>   Last I heard they could not re-schedule at Vancouver; maybe GNR is the
> first band to be banned from an ENTIRE COUNTRY :-)
 
Yeah, but it's the wrong country. IMNSHO, he should be banned from the
US before he throws a tantrum and causes the destruction of yet another
big arena.
 
To take Paul Emond's idea: 
 
GUNS N RIOTS WORLD TOUR:
 
ST. LOUIS
MONTREAL
 
Who's next?
 
--Don
From: valeu@sdd.hp.com (John Valeu)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:51:15 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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I really like the 4 CD set 'Stages' that was released late last year.
Each CD contains an 'entire' concert (I couldn't tell you if they were
indeed complete) recorded in 1967, 1968, 1969 and 1970.  It shows you
the changes that Hendrix was trying to implement and helps to plot a 
direction he seemed to be taking his music.



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From: rone@girtab.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: James Hetfield injured (The REAL subject)
Date: 16 Aug 1992 00:10:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug16.040718.1324@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rroberts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ross Allan Roberts) writes:
>_I_ wanna know on Jamz' condition. Has he improved? What about sight... 
>explosions in the face are not good on the eyes. Are there any details in the
>local papers?

I listened here on Pirate Radio (100.3 in L.A.) that the LA show is postponed
till his arm heals.  It has a 2nd degree burn and there won't be any shows
till it heals.  This means he can't even sweat on it.

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Fix the tab damage before someone posts your .sig to alt.fan.warlord :-)

>curious... I wonder if Mustane would send him a get-well card... ?

Sure.  Why not.


5150
that last line was sarcasm, folks
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From: terry@pride386.PP.COM (Terry Lyons)
Subject: Re: Identify/complete this late 70's song!
Organization: Pride Plastics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:20:32 GMT

In article <MEDEIROS.92Aug10153745@labdacus.think.com> medeiros@labdacus.think.com (Dave Medeiros) writes:
>
>There's my buddy Jim Bass And he's working pumping gas
>Makes two fifty for an hour
>He's got rhythm in his hand as he tapping on the cans
>Sings rock -n- roll in the shower
>
>Artist: John Stewart

I thought this was on the "Born in the USA" alb.

yes .. no ???

then that would make the artist .....

>
>Dave....
>--


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From: mbaron@west.darkside.com (Baron Munchausen)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Chirs Squire & Alan White
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:39:44 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

gyugyi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Gyugyi) writes:

> Has anyone seen Squire and White on tour?  They are
> playing in the bay area (San Jose) on the 25th, and
> I was wondering if they have a backup band.
> 
> -- 
> Paul J. Gyugyi
> Grad student, control systems, Stanford University
> (and an avid LEGO collector)
> gyugyi@earthsea.Stanford.EDU


Yeah, what's the story?  I'm planning on going to that, too.  Should be a 
helluva show, hmm?

-the Munch Baron
From: lehe@lulea.trab.se (Lennart Hedenstr|m)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: New Joe Walsh released today
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:13:45 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Could you elaborate a bit on this one ... ? Is he using the same old
guys on there like, producer, Szymczyk (sp?) and Joe Vitale etc ... ?

Where would you rank the new album compared to his other solo releases ?
Here's some titles if you have forgotten all about them:

 - "But Seriously Folks"
 - "Smoker you drink, the player you get"
 - "Ordinary Average Guy"
 - "Got any gum ?"
 - "The Confessor"	
 - "So what"					
 - "There goes the Neighborhood"
 - "You bought it, you name it"		
 - "Barnstorm"	
 - "You can't argue with a sick mind"

They're mentioned in no particular order. So come on guys let's
make a thread out of this... Let's see which JW album is the "best" !

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From: terrylee@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Cookie Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Song stuck in my head
Keywords: Right Here Waiting for You
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:56:56 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <20407@optima.cs.arizona.edu> margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
>
>I have this song running in my head, and the only words that are
>coming out are:  Right Here Waiting for You.  I told my friend about
>this, and she says it's Bryan Adams.  I don't think so.  Can anyone
>help me?  Who sings this blasted song?  I'm going to start humming
>Every Breath You Take just to get rid of it!
>
>You can respond to either:
>
>margaret@cs.arizona.edu or robyn@cs.arizona.edu
>
>Thanks!

Its probably "Right Here Waiting" by Richard Marx, from the Repeat Offender
album.

terrylee
From: ms9z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew T. Seaman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Best Drummer????
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:54:26 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Kieth Moon (May he rest in peace)
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