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From: hazen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Tone Recognition
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:41:37 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct11.191311.3962@crash> rtillery@crash.cts.com (Rick Tillery) writes:

>Is there a program out there that will construct a SMUS file (or on
>screen notations & save SMUS format) from tones fed in through an audio
>digitizer?  It seems an easy thing to do since we have pitch-shifting in
>real time and voice recognition.

Hate to burst your bubble, but noooooooooo way Hosea. I wouldn't
expect to see that sort of thing EVER. Why?

Oh, because you're talking about SEVERE AI there. Not only is the
sampling on the Amiga not going to allow the computer to differentiate
the difference between two instruments sampled in at the same time, it
can't tell the difference between a bass fiddle and a barn door.

Very few people can do that themselves, and really, you're talking
about making a computer well versed enough to understand music, music
theory, composition theory, harmonics, waveform theoretics and more...
Not just "have" that information, but UNDERSTAND it. 

Of course, we can always dream. Personally, I woudl hate to see the
day when that is true.. if computers can rewrite music they would be
able to WRITE it, and I'd _never_ be able to get a job.
-- 
My other .sig is also an Amiga.              -hazen@athena.cs.uga.edu
Mark Hazen			 	     -Reverb of Megawatts (huh?)
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From: gruel@midiline.la.ca.us (Nick Salvatico)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: SMUS .instr conversion to MED synthsounds?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 23:16:02 PDT
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

As per the subject line, I'd like to know if there exists a utility that 
will convert a Sonix synthetic sound into the type of synthsound MED and 
OctaMED use.

Probably easy to guess why I want this.  Just converting a few .SMUS 
songs to tracker format, or more precisely MED format, as trackers don't 
seem to like the >3 octave ranges, and/or synthetic instruments.

Another question: I used the SMUStoMOD utility to get the text 
representation of some songs, but I'm wondering if anyone has or has ever 
written a util to convert that text output to MED song format.  I sure as 
hell hate having to key in all that song data by hand.

Help, leads, and small coins appreciated.

    o   .
 o .  o   o
   o .   .
  __:__:_
 ( gruel )
  \_____/

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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: What is available for the classical composer/musician?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:31:38 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Oct8.071513.1072@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA writes:
>With The Copyist (commercial, also by Dr. T), you have the utmost degree of
>control over your music - think of it as a desktop publishing package for
>sheet music.

	Except that when you insert or delete a measure in the middle
of your score, you have to move all the subsequent measures by hand
so they line up again.  From what I understand, Copyist Pro is more
of a graphics program than a DTP program.  Of course, if you're doing
data entry with DMCS and printing with Copyist, you might never run
into this problem.

                                                        Dan

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| University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |
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From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: What is available for the classical composer/musician?
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:07:57 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Oct9.102618.1684@city.cs>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
> 
> A further question is: would KCS 3.5 Level II do all that
> DMCS can do?

No.  DMCS provides a fairly easy point & click interface for putting notes on a
staff.  KCS, although it does have step-time input capability, is really
designed for those who can play.  It's performance oriented and has the
features slanted towards this (QuickScore for printed output was added later). 
It's not for the feeble-hearted - be prepared for a steep learning curve,
unlike DMCS which is fairly easy to use without even looking in the manual.

KCS is an extremely powerful sequencer but you have to ensure that you're using
the right tool for the job.  DMCS and KCS simply do not compete with each
other since each is oriented to a different type of user.

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
From: dave@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Shades CD
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 15:41:37 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


Due to continued requests for information about a CD I mentioned I
owned, here is a bit of info about Shades by Chris Hulsbeck.

The CD offers 10 tracks and an extra bonustrack.  The total playing
time is 70.48 minutes so you will get quite some music for your money.

    The songs you will find on Shades:

    - Turrican Medly
    - Nightmoves                (4Pm internal)
    - Theme from R-type
    - Power of magic            (The magic of Power mix)
    - Shades
    - Masterblazer              (Jazz 'o' matic)
    - Addicted to these games   (NES Mix)
    - Warzone                   (DiColamix)
    - Heavens Gate              (Lazerdub)
    - Tower of Babel            (Helleluja mix)
    - Tale of glory



It is released by A.U.D.I.O.S Entertainment (Germany) but is marketed
and distributed by Factor Five (Germany)

I don't have addresses for either company (if someone does, could you
please tell me), because I ordered my copy through Newsflash Magazine
from UGA Software in Holland.


I would very muchly recommend this to anyone that enjoys music made
using Synths/Computers etc..  Mind, you the "Addicted to these games"
track could be liked by almost any modern music nut :)


According to the CD, this is Volume 1.  Anyone know if there is
another one due to be released, or if there is any other CD's similar
with this style of music.


                                                :)ave

--
David Dustin             | "I've never seen so many damn Indians."       
Dave@Dogbox.acme.gen.nz  |                                  - G.A. Custer
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From: oahvenla@blob.cs.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Re: WB sounds
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:58:12 GMT

In <1992Oct8.040653.25731@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:
><EDG102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I've never been on this usb before, so this may be a foolish question, but he
>>that's me all over...
>>Is there some sort of utility that allows sounds at certain events on the WB
>>screen (ala Macintosh)?  If it matters, that would be under 2.04...
>>If so, where would one find such a thing?
>>Thanks
>Get UPD. It's not fancy - certainly no graphical interface. However it does
>have an ARexx port and allows you to attach sounds to certain events 
>such as disk insert/ejects etc etc.

Graphical interface? Who would need that in something like UPD? Anyway, this
is what I recommend: Arq, which replaces the standard requesters with nice,
animated ones, UPD, which supports Arq by playing sounds or talking something
every time an Arq requester comes up, and ToolManager 2.0, with which you can
get programs ran from hotkeys, menus and/or docks, and associate the last two
with sounds also... Like "Now attempting to run JR-Comm..." or "I'm afraid
I can't do that, Dave..." :-) Very nice to tease your PC-using friends with..
Try them. UPD can be found in at least the ToolManager 2.0 release in the
'Goodies' directory, and Arq should be around too. Try your favorite FTP site,
if it doesn't have them, it's not worth to be your favorite... :-)
--
Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@niksula.cs.hut.fi
My opinions are mine, and though someone else may share them, that's not my
fault. You may freely agree or disagree with me, I don't much care.
From: cm182s182@pdrome.UUCP (Clayton Miner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: UUcoding ( was Re: MOD.X-Centric (5/5))
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:43:32 GMT
Organization: The PowerDrome BBS [(716)825-3614 Excelsior]
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.960

Oh goodie....a coder was posted to an FTP site...dosen't help the few that 
can't access an FTP site... ;)
 
Skeksis
From: cm182s182@pdrome.UUCP (Clayton Miner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Digitizing Software
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:42:01 GMT
Organization: The PowerDrome BBS [(716)825-3614 Excelsior]
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.960

I think that the PD release of Perfect Sound (waaaay back on the fishdisks) 
will digitize.
 
Skeksis
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From: ye01@uk.co.gec-mrc (Andrew Crisp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Help needed reading the parallel port
Keywords: sampling, parallel, ciaa, ciab
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:52:07 GMT
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK

Hope someone can help ?

 I am trying to write a sound sampler program, but I am having trouble
 reading the parallel port on the Amiga. I donot want to use libraries
 but instead am trying to access the ciaa and ciab registers.

  I am a little confused how to use the registers and the manuals I have
  seem less than useful.

  Any help would be gratefully appreciated!!

							  Andy.

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From:  ()
Subject: Re: ...Whatever happened to...?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:44:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.094752.29959@ugle.unit.no>, mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen) writes:
> 
> >You want to hear the Ghouls and Ghosts music on the Amiga?? I once
> >disassembled the player. Would you like me to upload the modules
> >and the player to amiga.physik.
> 
> Yes, pleeez!!
> 
> Morten
> 
> PS: Black Lamp wasn't bad either.
> PPS: And how about Martin Galway's tunes for Wizball? Loved that guitar solo.
> 
> 
It's as good as done! .. I'll probably put them up to amiga.physik on
Friday afternoon.

P.S. Do you want me to put up the bionic commandos music too??
From: cm182s182@pdrome.UUCP (Clayton Miner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: SMUS .instr conversion to MED synthsounds?
Date: 11 Oct 92 11:45:10 GMT
Organization: The PowerDrome BBS [(716)825-3614 Excelsior]
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.960

Could you please expand on this SMUStoMOD utility you mentioned?  I have 
recently gather three new SMUS and they don't seen to do anything so I was 
wondering about conveting them to a different format in hope that would work.  
I am also looking for an old utility called Sonixpeek that would let me find 
out what instruments are needed for various songs.
 
Skeksis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: ags@scs.carleton.ca (Alexander G. M. Smith)
Subject: Re: Help needed reading the parallel port
Summary: Here is some C code for reading audio samplers.
Keywords: sampling, parallel, ciaa, ciab
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:59:09 GMT

This message (originally to shorio@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Shigenori
Horio)) should also answer your question about reading an audio
digitizer attached to the parallel port (note that the PerfectSound III
uses a different technique).  For more details, see the ROM Kernel
Manual: Hardware. 
 
In C you would do something like:
{
    unsigned char *CIAA, *CIAB;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAA_A_Data;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAA_A_Direction;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAA_B_Data;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAA_B_Direction;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAB_A_Data;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAB_A_Direction;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAB_B_Data;
    unsigned char volatile *CIAB_B_Direction;
 
    CIAA = (void *) 0xbfe001L;
    CIAB = (void *) 0xbfd000L;
    CIAA_A_Data = CIAA;
    CIAA_A_Direction = CIAA_A_Data + 0x200;
    CIAA_B_Data = CIAA + 0x100;
    CIAA_B_Direction = CIAA_B_Data + 0x200;
 
and the same for CIAB_A_Data and so on.
 
Then to "Set CIAA port B to be all inputs" use
    CIAA_B_Direction = 0x00;
 
And for "CIAB port A pins POUT and SEL to be output" use:
    CIAB_A_Direction |= 0%00000110;
 
Then to read a signed byte of audio data use:
    SampleByte = *CIAA_B_Data - 0x80;
 
Hope this helps.

- Alex
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
From:  ()
Subject: Re: ...Whatever happened to...?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:09:41 GMT

You want to hear the Ghouls and Ghosts music on the Amiga?? I once
disassembled the player. Would you like me to upload the modules
and the player to amiga.physik.

Mail a news item here, and I'll get FTP'ing.

BTW, it is good stuff, but not a patch on the chip-music version
that I've only heard on the ST.. Has anyone got the '64 version??

BTW BTW.. I don't think Led Storm was Follin's best... What about
- Bionic Commandos             (3rd favourite)
- Magic Johnson's basketball   (2nd favourite)
- That damn soccer game        (favourite)

Bad dude.
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: What is available for the classical composer/musician?
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:05:52 GMT

I use DMCS to write and Copyist to prepare printed matter; you do not need a
third program to go from the first to the second, but there are numerous
limitations in this whole scheme.  DMCS does not produce decent paper
output; Copyist has an extremely poor user interface, and the DMCS-importing
process is tricky and cannot handle everything DMCS does properly.  Given
your situation (which is similar to mine) I wouldn't recommend a sequencer
(e.g. KCS); sequencers are essentially musical instruments crossed with a
notation, and a lot of normal notation cannot be represented in them.
-- 
C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
                  +    but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
From: gruel@midiline.la.ca.us (Nick Salvatico)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Anonymous ftp MOD repositories
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:24:42 PDT
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

I know this has been done at least once recently, but through some 
weirdness regarding my hard drive I've lost the list of various anonymous 
ftp sites that have respectable MOD collections.

If anyone would be so kind as to re-post that list, or any list, for that 
matter, I'd be very grateful.  Also, if at all possible, the full 
pathname to the main MOD directory would be most useful.

Thanks muchly...
 
    o   .
 o .  o   o
   o .   .
  __:__:_
 ( gruel )
  \_____/

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Subject: Re: Amiga in Encyclopedia ad on TV.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:54:35 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <music.718473149@batman>, music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller) writes:
> I'm sure this has been pointed out in great hoards of posts before,
> but just in case it hasn't, note that the obnixious teenager who hawks
> the Encyclopedia Brittania 1,000 times day on TV has an Amiga 2000 on
> his desk...

	Yes, I've seen this,  There also seems to be a version of the
	commercial where he has a kind of generic looking PC clone
	on the desk also.  (generic, PC clone? hmmmmm?)

	Commodore had a free ad running this weekend here.
	The local cable co. channel had the 'insert Workbench v1.3' 
	screen on Fri, Sat, and Sun.  It was kind of amusing.  I 
	must have watched it for 3 hours waiting for my TV to reboot :-)
	
> -- 
> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> #   export meaning_of_life=$(eval 'grep -i truth mind_of_god | sort -u')  #
> # Work: music@moravian.edu  <#!AMIGA!#>  Home: moravian.edu!vortex!lothar #
> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:43:58 GMT
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Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: |> 
: |>   OverDrive gives you a new cpu chip that has an internally doubled clock,
: |> you don't get a faster memory bus and possibly a faster SCSI interface like
: |> the Amiga cpu boards give you.
: 
: OHHHH, now I get it! Not only is it an old idea to us, the PC slot isn't even
: as GOOD! It's all so clear now....
: 

The OverDrive slot is for a new CPU, and that's that.  You can add SCSI and 
memory expansion to your PC using other means.

No, plugging in an OverDrive CPU won't give you a new disk controller or
more memory like the Amiga "new-guts-on-a-card" accelerator, but it costs
less.

Gosh, you Amigoids sure get excited when you think you see an opportunity to
bash another system.

: 
: (Hell, the Amiga accelerator even sped up my FLOPPIES!  8)  )
: 

Oh great.  So if I want to speed up my Amiga floppies, all I have to do is
pay for the 040, SCSI-2, and extra memory.

:
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|    ... In rhythm! |     (617) 890-2888    |              -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:13:15 GMT

Frank R Dana writes:
>But, a real computer discussion should go far beyond games. The Amiga
>still multitasks better than any other computer with any other OS.
>[then talks about Mac and PC owners not showing off multitasking]

Wow.  That's a helluva broad statement... "any other computer with any
other OS" covers a lot more ground than just Macs and PCs :-)

>As far as utilities and applications go, every single one (another phrase
>wide open, this time to flames galore...) multitasks well. I've copied disks,
>downloaded files, printed publisher output, rendered pictures, played music,
>and edited text, and that was when I had only THREE megs...

Shoot :)  I guess you've never seen a CoCo-3 with *512K* playing MIDI
files while editing while downloading a GIF while displaying the GIF with
another utility as it comes down (thanks to automatic record locking).
Of course, it doesn't have much color res, but at least you can kill
processes from a shell and the OS cleans up resources for you :-P

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:48:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.231915.22271@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:
[stuff deleted]
|> You should keep your mouth shut when you are clueless.  7.1 is out in beta
|> only.  It is due for release in 1 week.  It is NOT being shipped with
|> Quadras currently (7.0.1 is).
|> 
|> >wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu            IBM, Apple, Sun, & Next make it expensive!
|> 
|> Yes, but I have some faith that at least 3 of them will still be a force in 
|> a few years.  I cannot say this for Amiga.
|> 
|> Jess Holle
|> jess@ecn.purdue.edu

  While I don't comment on the previous Quadra flames, as I don't know for sure,
you definitively don't know about the Amiga's Video market share.  Even the
Mac uses a Toaster!

- Raist

  Yes, Amiga will be here for a long time to come.  At least Amiga users can run
all the OS releases properly, unlike the System 7 on a poor Mac Plus or Classic I.
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Deep Thoughts 
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:35:47 GMT

In article <doiron.0fk9@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:

>How much will the new BLAZEMONGER cost, and will it fit into my wristwatch?

Wristwatch? Now that would be truly innovative.

According to Dan Ling, Microsoft's senior advanced technology researcher,
by the year 2000, wallet-sized computers will be more powerful than today's
desktop machines. Of course, it could be embarassing trying to find room for
the mouse. Not to mention the monitor.

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From: e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson)
Subject: ChipRAM in A4000...
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:31:04 GMT

According to AmigaMagazin (yeah, it's THAT paper again...) the finished 
version of the A4000 is supposed to be able to use up to 8MB of chipRAM...
Is this thrue?

Could someone at Commodore comment on this ?
Maybe someone at C= Sweden ?
Maybe the AMIGA SUPPORT ENGINEER (WOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!) ?
Maybe Mr.HJALMARSSON ?

/stefan (the REAL one...)

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