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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES trade?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:21:25 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <l8ni74INNqju@cronkite>, andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
> In article 4296@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> >As for the Fridge, talks between the Eagles and Bears are at a standstill.
> >
> Actually,  the Bears & Eagles have agreed (3rd round choice,  possible upgrade
> to a second),  however the Eagles aren't stupid enough to sign the contract
> Perry wants (no weight clause).  

You mean to tell me, if the Eagles can work out a contract with the Frige
he's on his way to Philly?  I haven't heard this.  Is this just recent
(within the past day or two) news?

> The trade mentioned earlier (Noonan from the Cowpokes) would be a good one,
> but interdivision never get made.  Teams are afraid of making opponents 
> stroger.

Yeah, good for the Cowboys not the Eagles.  There is no way the Eagles
will get rid of All-Pro cornerback Eric Allen.  And especially not with
Ben Smith out on the other corner.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:37:04 GMT

(Joel D Alvstad) writes:

* Yeah, I may be stretching it a little bit to say the Vikes 
* will win the Central, but I wouldn't be stretching at all 
* to say that they are going to suprise a few teams this season...

  With Dennis Green as head coach? I don't think so...


* I bleed purple.

  You should see a doctor about that ;)

  --
  Michael                      
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From: jmcmanus@unix1.tcd.ie (gavin mcmanus)
Subject: roster question
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:02:02 GMT

I was looking through one of the preseason papers, and noticed a linebacker
on the colts squad named frank giannetti(94) who weighs 292 lbs. Thinking 
this was just a printing error I checked another preseason paper which gave
the same information. I know the colts like big bodies, they were suposed
to have the biggest offensive line, but this is a bit to much.
So can any colts fan verify or maybe explain it.

Gavin McManus

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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Giants Scrap Offensive Line Re-org Plan
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:31:53 GMT

Nelson Broat (NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug18.153004.8319@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, dick1@hera.uucp
: (25443-vaughn) says:
: 
: the Browns. I kept staring at the screen waiting and waiting to see that
: new offensive strategy that they keep promising...you know...the "we're
: going to open it up offense", but *sigh* it never happened. All I was
: treated to was the same old "run it down their throats" Giants football
: of years past. Too predictable. Too predictable. When will Handley learn
: its not going to work! When! Unfortunately, I feel the answer may be
: never ): even after the Eagles defense destroys the Giants offense.
: I don't want to see that happen but I fear it will.

I would have thought that he would have learnt this after the first match
between the Giants and Cowboys last year. (Remember the 4th and goal at
the ~1 yard line, and handley calls a play to try and draw Dallas offside??)


: 
: >GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIANTS!!!!
: >[Heh, heh, heh...]
: >Dick V.
: 
:                                         Nelson "Handley will be the
:                                                 death of me yet" Broat
: 

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Dallas Cowboys Q & A
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:25:02 GMT

mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
 
: Q: Is Brad Daluiso the answer to the Cowboys kicking questions?
: A: He had better be.  With Lin Elliot nursing a pulled groin muscle
: and no other kickers on the horizon, Daluiso's brand of kicking
: appears to be the Cowboy's staple for week one.  By week 3 we may see
: a kicker free for all or we may see Daluiso heading for the ProBowl.
: Chances are we will see nothing more than white knuckles on every FG
: and rocket powered flight on every kickoff.  Don't look for the
: Cowboys to keep Daluiso just to kickoff, there aren't enough roster
: spots for the rookie talent as it is...

Jimmy Johnson is apparently becoming more confident and comfortable
with Daluiso, and was quoted "I've been pleased with what he has done.
He's kicked the ball off as well as anyone I have ever been around, and
he's done well with his field goals."

Related note: Daluiso has been practicing with a nasty cut on the big toe
of his left (plant) foot... Cut it climbing rocks around Barton Creek
in flip-flops...  Speculation is he's trying to make the All-Madden team.
 
: with the world.  The quest for a #3 appears to be dead in Craig Kupp
: (the 6'6" behemoth) unless they still have need of a signal shield on
: the sidelines (ala last year).  The career of Jason Garrett needs help
: as well, more help than his Cowboys scout father can provide.

Actually, word around here is that Garrett will get the #3 job ahead
of Kupp...  Kupp got no action vs. Miami, and I don't remember seeing
him play against Houston either.  Didn't see the Miami game, but I
thought Garrett looked fairly decent against the Oilers.

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:15:06 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute


I have seen a few games already on the tube and I LIKE IT !
The games really seemed to move along, I like the thought of
a teams momentum not being stopped every other play for a stupid
replay that usualy changes nothing.

The play stands as called, no replay.....
tim
From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: Who was the Lions QB last year?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:44:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.181417.4575@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day) writes:
>The subject line says it all.  I know Rodney Peete
>played a few games before he got hurt, but I 
>can't remember who his replacement was.  Email
>or post is fine.
>
>Thanks, 
>
>Rob
>-- 
>Your bangs do a good job of covering up your lobotomy stitches. - Calvin & Hobbes
>
>robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com    GO IRISH, BEARS, BULLS, WHITE SOX, HAWKS, etc.

Erik Kramer
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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: How's Herschel Walker Doing?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:34:53 GMT


As an Eagle fan in Giant Country, I don't get to see
my Birds as much as I like, and so I don't know too much
about how the Herschel Experiment is going.

Does this look like a winner?
I know he's a straight-ahead runner; has he been getting 
the blocking he needs?  Are they passing to him in the flat
a la Byers?  How's he doing at kick returns?

In short: is this guy going to be a threat out of the backfield?
Will they finally have someone other than Randall for opposing
defenses to worry about?
(Or is Heath Sherman going to be the surprise star out of the
backfield?)


Dick V.
From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:13:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <92232.105231ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU            writes...
>In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
>bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) says:
>>
>>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>>
>>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>>     Ty Detmer           ????????
>>
>     Isn't Andre Ware getting some time in with Detroit nowadays?
> 

Ron Brown did not win the Heisman. Instead he won a gold in 4X100 relay team in 
LA in 1984 with Sam Graddy, Carl Lewis and someone else. He also is no longer 
with the Raiders. The Rams reacquired him under Plan B. 

Tim Brown with the monster Notre Dame propaganda machine behind him, did win 
the Heisman in 1987. He was on the 1989 AFC Pro Bowl team as the kick returner 
but has not done anything else noteworthy with the Raiders.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: jwc@netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:27:41 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>To me the most irrational rule is the one that awards the ball to the
>defense when the ball is fumbled forward into and out of the end zone.
>I'm not sure what the *RIGHT* thing to do here is, but automatically
>awarding it to the defense is a leap with a rationale that escapes me.

Yep, that's a dumb one allright. IMHO, the right thing to do with the 
fumble is to call the play dead where the ball first hit the turf. What 
would the implications be applying this rule to all such unrecovered 
fumbles; ie, those that roll out of bounds anywhere on the field?
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Predictions 
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:35:28 GMT


Just throwing out some opinions on this season:

	NFC EAST	NFC CENTRAL		NFC WEST
     1. Philadelphia	Chicago			San Fransisco
     2. Washington	Minnesota		New Orleans
     3. Dallas		Detroit			Atlanta
     4. New York	Green Bay		Los Angeles
     5. Phoenix		Tampa Bay


     Notes: The NFC east has to be toughest division in the NFC, you
     have Philly, coming back with Randall and company, Washington
     defending super bowl champs, but usally have a bad season after
     super bowl victories, but Ill still rank em 2, Dallas up and coming
     after stealing all my Vikings players. :(, and Phoenix can always
     throw a loop in.
	    In the Central, I have to wonder where all this hype is
     coming out of Detroit? I mean, I heard all this when the Pack went
     10-6 in 89. Detroit is not that good, they have Barry, but who else
     is Pro Bowl calibur? Spielman? and Ball? I really do not think 
     Detroit will be that good this year, probaly tying Minnesota at
     like 8-8 or 9-7. As for Minn, everyone is saying they are going to
     have the worst year yet. Why? Last year they went 8-8, could have
     gone 9-7 if they beat the pack on the last game of the season,
     they have a new coach who knows how to use players, gotten rid
     of all the over the hill underachievers, but the only down side
     is that Minn has a pretty tough schedule. Wash,Hou,Phil, and San 
     Fran. Ouch. Green Bay will be good, but not for a few years,
     I like Holgram and some of the new rookies, esp Detmer, fine 
     future QB. Tampa will still stink.
	    In the West, Wonder if San Fran will bounce back? Is Atlanta
     for real? Is New Orleans for real? Who knows? I know the rams won't
     be in it. I really have no clue though about the west, it should be
     a good race.

						IMHO Mark
						Go Vikings.
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Gary Clark and his off-field activity!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug12.164128.19273@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rajdeo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Raj Deo Choudhury) writes...

>        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Washington Redskins wide receiver Gary Clark was
>arrested and charged with theft Tuesday, after being stopped for
>speeding by Maryland State Police.
>        Police said Clark was stopped for speeding, but while he was being
>questioned, an officer noticed the license plates appeared to be
>altered. A check revealed the vehicle had been reported stolen from a
>Virginia dealership in January.

I'll bet either Clark bought a car he didn't realize was hot or he had 
a dispute with the dealership and didn't make his payments so the 
dealer retaliated by reporting the car stolen.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"If there's something wrong with the computer, it's sophisticated diagnostics 
will notify you of the situation by assuming an appearance that, for the most
part, is dark and lifeless." - The Adventures of Lone Wolf Scientific
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Bubby Done?
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:38:02 GMT

In article <oeWwmme00WBNE2=mJd@andrew.cmu.edu>, Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Word out of Steeler training camp is that Neil O'Donnell looks VERY
>impressive.  The media is anticipating O'Donnell being the starter for
>opening day.
    I like O'Donnell too.  He has more football sense than Brister.  But
for some reasons, the Steelers had a very poor record when he started at QB.

>Todd

Edward Hui
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From: tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer)
Subject: Re: BRONCOS NEWS
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:08:12 GMT

>>Any news on the Broncos ??
>>
>>Are they planning to make any trade to obtain
>>a wr due to all the injuries that they have.
>>
>>What about the Desmond Howard guy? Can the
>>Broncos trade to get him, since I heard that
>>he can be a trade bait due to his contract 
>>problem in Washington.
>>
>>How is Maddox doing. Is he the no. 2 guy?
>>
>>scott-
>
>Maddox has looked good in camp but had not played in the first 3 games.  He
>will play against Miami in Berlin.  No news on trade possibilities for WR.
>
Actually they've only played 2 games.  They are very excited about Maddox 
because he spent the summer studying the "complex" Broncos offense and
appears to have a very firm grasp on it.  We shall see Saturday.  As for
being the #2 guy, I doubt it, although a Boulder journalist put forth
the proposition that perhaps Reeve's would do just that due to Moore's
outstanding performance throughout training camp.  His idea is to send
Pelleur packing, keep more on the development squad, and have Maddox as
the #2.  Then should Elway get injured, (NFC East  Yikes!), bring Maddox
in to finish the game, and during the week get Moore from the practice
squad and have him come in for the next game as starter.  

Personally I think it would behoove Reeves to keep all three of these
gents on the final roster, thus having Moore to sub in at any time,
and not subjecting him to a possible signing to another team during
the time he waits to be signed on the practice squad.  Just my $0.02.

>Broncos practiced with Miami yesterday and apparently there "things got out
>of hand."  I just heard that little bit on TV and have not read anything
>further...

The way I read it was that Doug, (or Dave, I can't keep these brothers 
straight), Widell got into a scuffle with several of the Miami players.
Some Miami guy took a swing at him, and so he hit the Miami guy bringing
a large number of Miami players out.  The coaches had a heck of a time
getting it broken up, (Mean Joe Green who now coaches for Miami appears
to have been the only coach willing to get in there with all these offensive
and defensive linemen).

As for making a trade for a wide out, there hasn't been much mention of it.
Mark Jackson seems to be doing extreemly well, and it sounds like the 
guy we got from New England, (can't remember his name 15 year vet), is
doing pretty well adjusting.  Also I'd say that we can expect Derreck
Russell to come around this year quite nicely.  And finally they have
a lot of hope and promise type stuff from a couple of rookies, (Tillman
and ???).  Besides I think Reeve's hates bringing in guys late, especially
if they don't already know the Broncos system.

Go Broncos!

Tom.
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bears rumors...
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:50:02 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 700@calmasd.prime.com, wwr@calmasd.prime.com () writes:
>
>	Neal Anderson & Dickhead are so pissed at each other the Bears are
>putting Neal up on the trading block (might as well, nobody's going to be able
>to do, too much running behind that OL).
Hmmm,  doubtful.  Neal & Ditka don't care for eachother but it is not too bad.  
Speculation exists because Darren Lewis & Mark Green have been running well.  
Part of the reason is that Neal just has not had the chance,  Harbaugh has been
passing a lot in the beginning of games.  


>
>	Perry to Phillie for Barnett...
No.  Philly has agreed to give the Bears a 3rd round choice upgradable to
a second,  however it depends on the Eagles being able to sign Perry.  They
hit the same stumbling block,  weight clauses.  So no trade.




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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins impressions (was Re: Niners tip Deadskins!)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:32:46 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

[Bunch of mail trashing Lewis' previous strange opinions agreed with but
omitted...]

>
>How many years has it been since Green bothered entering the "NFL's fastest
>man" competition?
>

Er, *one* year.  He didn't compete this year due to contract negotiations.
Winning wouldn't have helped him much; losing could have hurt him.  Last
year, though, he entered...and won.  

Mr. Lewis, if you are trying to set a record for the most uninformed poster 
in this newsgroup you're off to a wonderful start.  I must say, you're
in mid-season form! :-)

					me
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Bears rumors...
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:44:43 GMT


  wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:

* Neal Anderson & Dickhead are so pissed at each other the Bears are
* putting Neal up on the trading block (might as well, nobody's going 
* to be able to do, too much running behind that OL).

  Yesterday, I would have said you were crazy... but a couple of 
  hours ago. News came out of the Bears headquarters in Lake Forest
  that no one on the team was exempt from trade. Apparently there
  have been some discussions with the LA Rams about aquiring Anderson.
  
  Personally, I don't like the idea. Neal still has a lot of good
  years left in him. Besides, that means the Bears are banking on
  the effectiveness of Mark Green and Darren Lewis at RB.

  We will have to wait and see what developes...

  --
  Michael                      
  stailey@comm.mot.com
From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:33:47 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer


 I think the defense will be in the top 10 again. 

	AGAIN!!  They were the #4 defense in the league last year.


> real concern is the offensive line.  

Agree with you here.

walter
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:09:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.055515.70934@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
> In article <36905@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
> >> >    5. With the Chargers:
> >> >        Beuerlein for Seau. This is the second time I suggest this trade.
> >Why would SD trade away their best defensive player for an
> >over-rated backup QB? 
>
>     You obviously don't know how good Beuerlein is. Where were you last year?
>     Beuerlein helped the Cowboys beat the Skins in RFK, the Eagles in the
>     vets, and the Bears in Chicago (playoffs). In all three games, the Cowboys
>     were clearly the underdogs. He also helped them beat the Saints and
>     Falcons (both teams made it to the playoffs). His stats were very good, 5
>     TD's to 2 INT's.
>     Malik....


My point is this. The Cowpokes won those afore-mentioned games
despite Beuerlein at QB, bcoz, he had an excellent supporting cast.
For example, take Steve Bono at SF. He was the QB who 'led' them
to 5 consecutive wins. Does this mean he is an great QB? No. He had
Rice on one side, Taylor on the other side, not to mention a very
good TE in Brent Jones. And the SF defense constantly set him up
in good position. And in my books, Bono is still a backup.. I ain't
trading my best LB for a backup QB.


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From: i001460@disc.dla.mil (MaryLynn Orzechowski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: football
Keywords: pool standings
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:36:23 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa

In article <10301@disc.dla.mil>, i000506@disc.dla.mil (Carlos Deno) writes:
> Dave,where is the current standings  through the preseason
> week no.2 .
> Thanks CJD.




Same for me!!
MLO
From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cincinnati Wide Receivers... who's hurt?
Keywords: injuries
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:30:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ms.1992Aug19.133022.19751
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Aug19.164807.6242@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) writes:
>
>
>Two quick questions.
>
>1) Was it Brown or McGee that got hurt on the Bengals?
>
>2) How long is he out for?
>
>
>Thanks.

Brown is the one that got hurt.  But, I think he gets hurt *every* year
that isn't going to be a SuperBowl year.  I've often thought that we
should just can him.  Two other notes.  I miss James Brooks!!!  And isn't
it wierd seeing someone else wearing the Ickmeister's Number? :)

Mourning the 92-93 season before it even starts,
Alex
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