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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Keywords: Are You Being Served?
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:46:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.013714.8532@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> >John, thinking Nelson would be smashing as a redhead
> 
> 	Hon Nelson would be smashing no matter which color he chose
> out of the Crayola box...  Then again so would you.

  Wouldn't Nelson make a striking punker? I mean, teased up red
hair and a bit of leather and steel would be pretty intimidating.

> 	Now what I'm waiting for is someone to make a good plaid hair
> color...

  Geez Bob, plaid is out. Paisley perhaps. 
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:47893 alt.politics.homosexuality:7299
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:39:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.49
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>This is a (rather lame) argument in favor of discrimination in general, but it
>>does not give me a clue as to why one should be constitutionally guaranteed the
>>right to discriminate against gays, but not against say blacks.  
>
>Just because some people do not think that being Gay is the same 
>thing as being black?
>I know some people who think that being Gay is a psychological disorder, in
>some cases. They do not believe that Gay should be given minority status.

Some of us consider homophobia a psychological disorder (I'm dead serious).
I am up to my neck in heterosexual aquaintances who have no trouble
with homosexuality or homosexual people.  Homophobia is certainly
not a *given* among heterosexuals and perhaps not even statistically
normal.  I do not believe in giving homophobes special protection to 
act out their homophobia against others who doing nothing to hurt
them except merely existing in a manner the homophobes dislike.

>For some people it would not be the same. For some people being Gay is not
>an inborn thing but a disorder.

The question is not about gay being inborn or a disorder, the question is
about the pathology of homophobia.  It's about the rights of homophobes.
Homophobes do not care whether homosexuality is chosen, inborn, or
a non-chosen disorder.  To argue the nature of homosexuality is a
red herring at best.

>         ...I used to work as a technician fixing very expensive medical
>equipment. One important point was that your image should be well accepted 
>by the client because sales were based, in a lot of cases, on references from
>previous clients. 
>If some of our clients would have had a problem with Gays, the company
>would certainly have not send a Gay person to do the job at that particular
>place.

How on earth would the clients know that the technician was gay?

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Ins and Outs
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:00:17 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Nov16.185553.16402@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod
Williams) wrote:

> >More like OH-MY-F*CK*NG-GOD CUTE!!!...
> 
> (To each his own :-)).  He's also 31-years-old and single.

Say no more <nudge> <nudge> <wink> <wink>!  Say no more!

*X*
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Sunday N.Y. Times
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:19:43 GMT
Organization: New York University

Two articles caught my eye in the Sunday New York Times of 11/15
(in addition to their lead editorial supporting Clinton ending the ban on 
gays in the military):

1) Two top officials of Gov. William F. Weld's administration (in
Masachusetts) have publicly acknowledged that they are a homosexual
couple and say growing support for gay rights caused them to speak
out.  

The two officials -- Kevin M. Smith, Commissioner of the state's
Division of Capital Planning and Operations, and Michael L. Adams, 
the Governor's Revenue Commissioner -- disclosed their relationship
in an interview published today in The Boston Globe, saying that 
they shared a home in the Boston suburb of Dedham.

2)  And some not so good news:

After more that a decade of trying, a church composed mostly of gay 
and lesbian congregants has again been rejected in its bid to 
establish ties with the National Council of Churches, the 
nation's largest eceumenical organization.

In a 90-81 vote on Thursday at its annual convention in Cleveland,
the top policy-making body of the National Council of Churches chose
not to grant observer status to the church, the Universal Fellowship
of Metropolitan Churches, a denomination that has 50,000 members in 
264 congregations around the country.
    
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<RHAYDEN.92Nov16180802@hqsun2.oracle.com>
	<1992Nov17.135557.23366@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:32:34 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov17.135557.23366@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

   In article <RHAYDEN.92Nov16180802@hqsun2.oracle.com> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
   >In article <1992Nov16.154610.652@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
   >
   >   For some people it would not be the same. For some people being Gay is not
   >   an inborn thing but a disorder.
   >
   >What information to you have to back this up?  Not the American
   >Psychiatric Association.  Not any respectable organization of
   >physicians that I know of.
   >

   I am saying that some people believe it, not that that is the scientific 
   explanation.
   Some people even believe that there is a god.

My apologies.  The grammar of "For some people being Gay is not an
inborn thing but a disorder" can be read in two ways, and I apparently
read it the wrong way...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:00:44 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Nov19.093422.13130@ads.com>, Henry Mensch writes:
> 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell) wrote:  
> ->Take a chill pill, Agarrat.  He *is* hotter than molten lava, after all.
> 
> hon,  you've spent way too much time at, uh, ball state.  the real
> world is much hotter than marky mark.  honest.

Oh, I know there are much hotter slabs of beef out there.  That doesn't 
mean I'd turn down the opportunity to have my way with Mr. Marky.  Please!
Let's schedule a reality appointment sometime later this week, okay?


> ->Sounds to me like you just need to get a piece some time this century.
> 
> been there; done that.

Well, alright for you! 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: shallenb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nualle")
Subject: Re: CO-2
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:57:33 GMT

corydin@wam.umd.edu (Tim Lachine) writes:

>I don't get it, what does carbon dioxide have to do with being gay?

   Nonono, Dear...   that's CO^2.   CO-2 is about legalized discrimination.


-- 
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  Music Geek (working my way up to |  \|/\      DON'T SHOOT !         --\---/   
                  `Fuguing Tune')  |   |\        I'm a bear.           \ \//  
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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:48:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46070
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <69741@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Mark Morrissey writes:
>>The sad part is that I am such a little furnace 
>>that I can't stand to wear it year round 
>
>Hmmm... Perhaps what you need then is a harem of Bears, Wolves,
>Otters and Other Furry Creatures to fan you, keep you supplied
>with your favorite cool drinks and do your sweating FOR you. 

Hmmm... Perhaps I do need said harem.  

I have always admired George's practical approach to delicate problems.
Maybe I do need to finally break down and go to the Eagle.

And yes, George, I will bring in the beard pics and get them scanned.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: houser@rtsg.mot.com (Elizabeth J. Houser)
Subject: Re: Amnesty International
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:21:03 GMT

In article <mjh4.721934451@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> mjh4@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark Jonathan Handel) writes:
>Does anyone know if Amnesty International recognizes sexual
>preference as one of their "protected" rights - I remember
>hearing something that the global organization, based in 
>London does not, while the US organization does.
>

I remember reading about their decision to include sexual orientation
a few months ago.  Unfortunately, they seem reluctant to state it
in literature that they send out in mass mailings.  I received a 4
page letter from them two weeks ago asking me to donate funds, but
not ONCE in the letter did they mention that their agenda included
fighting for the rights of people imprisoned solely because of their
sexual orientation.  They DID mention a list of other protected
rights.  I perceived this omission as a way for Amnesty to get funds
from someone who might not contribute if their full agenda was made
known.

Has anyone else seen a mailing like this?  Can anyone verify that
sexual orientation was added to their list of protected rights?

-Liz
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: bear vs. twink
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:47:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46140
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <14728.2b0b3de6@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
>I am very disturbed by the fact that in all this discussion of bear
>vs. twink, that no one has presented the viewpoint of those of us who
>are admirers both of Jacob, who was a smooth man, and Esau, his brother,
>who was an hairy man. I'm tired of people saying that it's just a phase,
>that I'm really one or the other, but don't have the courage to come out
>completely.

I subscribe to the "wine" theory of attraction:

  I don't care what it says on the label, I'll judge by what's
  on the inside, thank you very much.

  -or-

  A good wine improves its label, not the reverse.

I find myself pretty much limited to motss, but not further limited and
don't particularly appreciate people who assume that just because I am
not dating a smooth-skinned person that I could not be so attacted.  I
am similarly offended by people who assume that I limit my attraction to
<insert label here> just because I am dating someone who may fall
into that category.

But then, I have always hated category theory (pointer back to *that*
old thread :).

I am not attracted to bears, twinks, robber barons, or tax lawyers.
I am attracted to men and willing to keep an open mind from there.

<George Bush whiny voice *on*>

Labels, bad.  very bad.  judging the person, good.  very good.
group-based discrimination.  not gonna do it.  wouldn't be prudent
at *this* juncture.

<GBWV *off*>

So let's see more stories about *people* who just might happen to be ursine
or smooth or maybe even <gasp> not specified?

--mark
---
Mark Morrissey     markm@cse.ogi.edu     Hate is NOT a Family Value.
"You picked a bad day.  Pat Buchanan's here, and he's passing out a
petition to get the name of the species changed to hetero-sapien..."
 - Phil, the bar owner on "Murphy Brown"
From: brsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Velveeta (was Patrick Stewart & "Space Age")
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:18:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: peca.brsmith.722117886
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Nov17.214841.8685@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <BxvCJ4.DCG@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>>Ok, I _am_ 'some people.' That wonderful Jim Turner sent me a jar of
>>the 'spread' version of velveeta, 'Cheez Whiz,' and I think it could be
>>a wonderful basis for a salad dressing. The taste is quite exotic to
>>me, there is nothing over here that emulates molten PVC to a degree
>>that edible.

>I like your molten PVC analogy, sounds about right.

Is no one going to defend Velveeta?  It has several important advantages
over so-called "real" cheeses:

  It disolves completely in water - lots of good emulsifiers.  Cleanup is
  easy - just soak in water and come back later.  (Which is what I'd do
  anyway.)

  Low melting temperature.  So you can, say, melt it and pour it on a
  hairy man's chest without burning him.  (And then completely disolve it
  with saliva.)  (I wonder if it's condom-compatible?)

  High salt content.

>I like Spaghettios, too. Little pasta circles canned with tomato-like
>sauce. For best effect it has to sit on the shelf for six months, so all
>that keeps the noodles from disintegrating completely are the chemicals
>placed in with the foodstuff.

Personally, I prefer O's with Balls.

Was anyone else here really distressed when SPAM went to a pull-top can?
I've had to make my last SPAM key last years.
--
Brian
brsmith@cs.umn.edu
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:06:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.020926.17608@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
> Where is Patrick Stewart from, 

Somewhere in the UK.

> and whence his manner of speaking? 

Hideous, no?  I was at a cocktail party he attended once (name-
drop, name-drop, name-drop) and his RAOUNDED TAONES are even 
worse in person.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:59:48 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <17036@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:


>> (Who was Rosane, Rosanna Danna?  I thought that was Gilda...)

>Yes....  What?  As though Gilda wasn't talented
>enough for *two* roles?

I bid three:  Lisa Luebner (I _know_ I just murdered the spelling; 
the skits with Bill Murray as Todd and Jane Curtin as Lisa's mother).

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Not Enough Sucking on Keanu
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:47:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> [Matthew Melmon] remembers now that Keanu isn't a particularly gifted
>> actor; 
>
> Not having seen the latest, but based on "Idaho," I'd call this an
> understatement of prize-winning proportions. 

Having seen him in 'Idaho', 'Point Break', 'Dracula', and a both 'Bill And
Ted' movies, I can assure you that each and every person reading this message
has a piece of furniture somewhere in their home that's a better actor than
Keanu Reeves is.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: corwin+@CMU.EDU (Scott Safier)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Originator: scotts@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Nov11.022035.7781@spdcc.com>
	<CORWIN+.92Nov11123735@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>
	<1992Nov11.225940.17254@spdcc.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:23:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.225940.17254@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

   I'll ask this again (you seem to be expert at avoiding this direct question):
   Was this a witchhunt against all gay people?  It doesn't sound to be so on
   the facts of what you're stating, but you seem determined to paint it that
   way nonetheless.

Sorry for the delay, I was away from the net for a while.  In 1981, it
was a witchhunt.  Today, it is simply a hostile environment for gays
(and lesbians, but for some reason, I haven't heard anything from
Drama about them.  Lesbian invisibility?)

Scott
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ""Gay rights group files complaint""
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:56:25 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <RHAYDEN.92Nov19205017@hqsun2.oracle.com> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
>In article <38954@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
>
>   Thought experiement.  Assume that one has to choose to  be queer.
>   No genetic predisposition, no nothing.  People just point blank
>   choose to be queer.
>
>   What's so wrong with that?
>   (end thought experiment)
>
>Nothing, in my opinion.  But the fact that it isn't a choice seems to
>be a persuasive argument that makes people think a little deeper about
>the subject.

Some would argue this fact.  I feel that the degree to which one
feels it's a choice is somewhat related to the point in time when
one identified "being different" from the social mainstream.  
For example, those who remember yearnings for motss at some early
age, say 5, often feel they were born that way.  I cannot, and am
not, denying this is a fact *for them*.

However, IMHO, the argument that it isn't a choice makes people think
*less* deeply.  As you note below:

>Note that the Catholic church finally recognizes the lack of choice,
>and therefore is forced to take a (somewhat) more liberal position on
>gays.

If I'm not mistaken the church's position is, "Love the sinner, but
not the sin."

I think Laura's point, which is a good one, is that we need to focus
on a different issue:  the idea that homosexuality is *not* a sin.
Hence, it doesn't matter whether it's chosen or innate.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
From: mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:29:06 GMT


>A friend of mind who posts here occasionally has gone so far as to
>pick boyfriends on the basis of whether or not they like cats.  It's
>actually quite reasonable.  A love for a particular type of animal
>does reveal basic personality traits.

Tell me about it.  I definitely let my cat pick out my boyfriends.  I would
not want someone who abused my cat around me.  I have had people tell me that
I am crazy because of this.  I feel that my cat is part of my family and I am
not going to have him all put out because of someone who doesn't like him!!!

Mary and Slash



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From: cadwell@binah.psu.edu (Brian Cadwell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Looking for ON THE LINE !!!!
Keywords: Enterprise BBS, somewhere in Calf.
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:27:51 GMT
Reply-To: cadwell@binah.psu.edu
Organization: Big Swifty Inc.

I'm looking for a email-BBS pal I had on the
Enterprise BBS, a few years ago. I forgot your
name but remember your old handle "On the line."
It's "Smokey" from Pennsylvania! Get back to me if
this is you. I miss talking with ya.

Brian
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homos at Depth
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:12:31 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>I just returned from a week of SCUBA diving in 
>Bonaire ...

>What I don't understand is why there aren't more
>queers who dive.

Queers don't dive, they dish.

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to our friend Rob Bernardo.
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Guilt and Self-indulgence (was Re: What Gay Sex)
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:00:30 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK

In article <1992Nov15.184843.11836@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> In article <1e4ojoINNsqs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
> ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher) writes:
> 
> [Procedural note: Tom, would you please preserve the
>  header's References: line of the postings you respond to?
>  The threading features of some newsreaders depend on that
>  line.]

[long discussion brutally removed]

Several people have pointed out with varying degrees of
polite exasperation that I don't do this.  My arse-over-tip
news setup doesn't support it.  Short of typing the
references in by hand it's impossible. 

However.  To rectify this situation, if all goes well, I am
getting a new computer, a new modem, new news software and,
shortly, a new news feed.  The whole caboodle will cost me
about two thousand pounds.  I *hope* you're satisfied. 

Oh, and it should cope with MS Word, too.  And Simearth.

In fact, that computer and its bits will be the most
expensive thing I own, apart from the flat and the car. 
I'm surprised to feel quite guilty about such a massive
expenditure.  It seems almost obscene to spend so much
money just on something for fun.

I guess I'm quite a Puritan after all...

--John