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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Passing etiquette with a horse
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:36:40 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <parkyn.715704880@sfu.ca>, parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:
> References: <2a358b37@babyoil.ftp.com> <1992Sep4.193038.3931@desire.wright.edu>
> 
> Take a tip from the training of police horses...
> 
>  Train (familiarize) the horse with potentially startling situations before
> they happen. Get a friend to help by riding the bike around/towards/away the
> standing horse. 
> 
>  Police mounts are familiarized with hand held flares, odd objects on the
> placed on the ground (such as black plastic - might look like a hole)  to
> cross or at least not startle. Noise in general, shouting, and little kids
> are all worth it too.
> 
>  Perhaps a training class for a group would be useful...
> 
>  Not all horses are going to be able to cope with these problems, find out
> sooner rather than later - it might prevent injuries.
> 

While all this is very good advice, there is no way you can guarantee that
the majority or even a small minority of horse owners out there will do this.
One thing you MUST take into consideration, this takes huge amounts of time,
also police horses are selected out of a large pool of available horses, many
of which were disqualified for various reasons, usually because they just
don't have the rock hard nerves to pass all the training.  
My personal preference of horse breeds is Arabian.  They are very intelligent,
very gorgeous and tend to be high strung.  I have serious doubts that any
Arabians could pass police horse training.

Sue
> 
> 
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22424 rec.bicycles.misc:392
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Donating Blood when Commuting by Bike
From: royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics)
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:55:44 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: royce

  This Wednesday I'll be donating blood.  I commute to work via bike most
  of the time, and the question is, does anyone know how losing a unit of
  blood will affect my ride home?  Should I wimp out and drive that day?

  My commute is 10.5 miles each way; it normally takes 40-45 minutes with
  lights.  I weigh about 160 (5'8").  I am in good shape, but I'm not a
  racer: I cruise at about 15 - 16 (flat no wind) without breaking much of
  a sweat or breathing heavilly.  This is on an LL Bean Acadia (cheap ATB),
  with a lead-alloy frame.

-- 
Royce Myers			EDS Unigraphics
royce@mdcbbs.com 		"Work is the curse of the drinking class"
					-- W. C. Fields
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Keywords: clothes
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 23:08:10 GMT

> guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith) writes:
>> jdu@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (john.d.unruh) writes:

>>The feet are the real problem.  The only way I have found to keep them
>>warm is using ski boot heaters.  I use some rechargable ones I got from

>I've had good luck with neoprene booties, at least down to about 20F.

I've had good luck with baggies.  For winter riding, down to 10F, I've had
good luck with polypro socks, thick, rag wool socks, topped off with baggies,
preferably without any holes in them.

That little layer of plastic seems to do a lot of good.

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
  *************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Passing etiquette with a horse
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:54:40 GMT


Take a tip from the training of police horses...

 Train (familiarize) the horse with potentially startling situations before
they happen. Get a friend to help by riding the bike around/towards/away the
standing horse. 

 Police mounts are familiarized with hand held flares, odd objects on the
placed on the ground (such as black plastic - might look like a hole)  to
cross or at least not startle. Noise in general, shouting, and little kids
are all worth it too.

 Perhaps a training class for a group would be useful...

 Not all horses are going to be able to cope with these problems, find out
sooner rather than later - it might prevent injuries.
From: khaw@parcplace.com (Mike Khaw)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: SPD pedals do release in a crash
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:12:07 GMT

For all of those who asked whether clipless pedals release in a crash,
I have one experience from this morning when they did.

I was descending Montebello Road (SF South Bay), my regular ride. At the
first sharp left turn, I was going pretty fast, which normally would
have been OK. However, I wasn't paying as much attention as I should
have and was caught off-guard by a car coming the opposite way at the
same time as I was approaching loose rocks on the right edge of the
road.

I tried braking hard, but began to lose traction on my rear wheel, so
I eased off. At this point, I was still going too fast and had to choose
among (1) heading towards the center of the road and perhaps too close
to the car, (2) trying to brake while turning through the debris and
most likely losing it and falling into the car, and (3) going far right
to take a wider arc and keep my bike more upright. I picked #3.

The car and I passed each other, but then I was still going too fast
and too scared to hit the brakes while turning and going between the
crud and the edge of the pavement. Anyway, I ended up off the pavement
and into the dirt and small rocks on the shoulder, and lost it.

When everything came to a stop, I noticed I'd popped out of my
pedals, rolled a couple of times and come to a stop downhill from my
bike. Aside from some road rash, eveything seemed to be OK. The only
damage to my bike was a small rip at the rear side of my saddle and
some gouges in the brake levers, but otherwise all I had to do was turn
the handlebars back perpendicular to the front wheel. Didn't bash
my head, but I was still glad I had my helmet on.

Clipless pedals may not always release under all adverse situations,
but this is at least sort-of "proof of existence" that they did release
under one particular crash scenario. Details: the pedals are
Shimano SPD A525s (their road model), tension set the the middle of
the range, and the shoes are Shimano M100s with factory cleats.
Oh, the shoes are fine too, nothing ripped.
--
Michael Khaw	Domain=khaw@parcplace.com, UUCP=...!uunet!parcplace!khaw
ParcPlace Systems, Sunnyvale, CA	PRODUCT INFO: info@parcplace.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Johnathan Livingston Seagull
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:36:56 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I've just re-read Johnathan Livingstone Seagull. I first read it when I was
about eleven, thought it was about birds.

Never realised it was about cycling...

 
 ---
 Rabbi Bajzheet - The Hooded Oesophagus   __o `God needs food, badly!'
 Usenet: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz              _`\<,_   - Freidrich Neitzsche
 Snail:  12 St Aubyn St, Devonport, AK (_)/ (_) Voice: +64 09 445-1186
From: jdr40@ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothes?
Keywords: clothes
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:30:06 GMT
Reply-To: jdr40@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I usually ride all winter in Ohio not far from you. I think the most
important thing is a good set of long undies. I use and have had very
good luck with Patagonia's capilene underwear. I keeps very dry to the
skin and wicks the moisture away. Unlike some other wicking materials,
capilene can be machine washed and dried so it is easy to care for. I
also have a capilene balaclava to keep the head warm. The most important
thing is keeping dry underneath, past that you can layer on the cloths
that keep you warm and keep out the wind.
                                               John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: piaw@pure.com (Na Choon Piaw)
Subject: Recommendations needed for Shaw's Lightweight Cycles
Summary: Are they any good?
Organization: Pure Software
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:25:38 GMT

I would like to hear the experiences of people who have bought from
Shaw's Lightweight Cycles in Santa Clara (off the Bascom Ave exit). n
We went there yesterday, and the staff seemed nice, staying with us
after the store closed, and going as far as to change the headset on
the test-ride bicycle to give us an idea of what a good fit on the
bicycle would be.

However, since it _is_ a substantial investment, I would like to hear
from people who have bought from them --- how are their followup
service, was the fit really good, etc.

Other good stores I've heard good things about are: Wheelsmith (Palo
Alto), Palo Alto Bicycles, and CycleCraft (Cupertino).  I've also been
told to avoid Bicycle Outfitter.

Any stories, anecdotes, recommendations, etc would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Piaw
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:11:30 GMT

In article <87810@netnews.upenn.edu> efrank@charm.hep.upenn.edu (Ed Frank) writes:
>	I am curious what skills you think boys learned that girls
>	did not.  Most of the mechanical skills that I learned as
>	adjustable wrench, and taking nuts off with a pipe wrench, did
>	not prove valuable in the end.  Being able to drive nails 
I think it may be more a matter of expectations combined with the
functional equivalent of math aversion. I once taught a women friend
how to to some moderately serious engine work on her VW. Her initial response
was "thats much too complicated for me". After walking her through it
it was more like "you mean that's all there is to it!". She eventually
ended up a fairly competent back yard mechanic and made converts of
several other car-owning women.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brockr@muvaxe.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride)
Subject: Re: Transporting my bicycle
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Radio Free Europe
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.052401.4094@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, goell@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeremy Goell) writes...
>In article <1992Sep1.214355.10684@octel.com>, hsiu@octel.com (Helen Hsiu) writes:
>|> I will be flying with my bicycle (not on) and would like to know the best
>|> way to pack it and the cheapest way to get it there.  Some specific
>|> questions which come to mind are:
>|> 
>|> 	- I have access to a Performance brand soft bicycle case.  Would
>|> 	  this be safer than a regular cardboard bicycle box?  
>|> 
>|> 	- The airline (American) says it will charge me $45 dollars each
>|> 	  way!!!  But they also hint that the fee may be waived if the 
>|> 	  plane is not full and the attendant at the desk happens to be 
>|> 	  in a good mood.  What are folks' experience with this?  
>|> 
>|> 	- Should I take this risk (see above) or ship the bike for 
>|> 	  approximately $40 round trip via UPS instead?
>|> 
>|> 	- Do I have any other alternatives?  I'm willing to try to cram 
>|> 	  all my other possessions into a carry-on if two boxes are 
>|> 	  required. 
>|> 
>|> Thank you in advance for any experiences, advice, or opinions.  Direct
>|> messages are preferred, I don't want to miss anything.
>|> 
>|> Helen
> 
 My experience:
 I've flown with my bike a couple of times between here and the states and
 the bike has ALWAYS flow FREE.  (I've flown with Lufthansa and KLM).  Both
 these airlines consider a bike to be flown free IF you have but one piece
 of luggage to check.  They then consider the bike the other piece of
 luggage.  If, however, you have two, or more, pieces of luggage then you
 must pay a flat rate of DM 30, round-trip.  DM 30 is approx. equivalent
 to 20 US dollars at the current exchange rate.
  If American Airlines, or any other american carrier, decide to charge such
  outrageous prices for shipping a bike then they need to look a bit closer
  at their competition. 

  Richard Brock
  Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
  Munich, Germany
  @BROCKR.RFERL.ORG
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mitroka@bms.com
Subject: Re: Recumbant Bikes
Reply-To: mitroka@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.032951.3993@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu>, jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (James Gillespie) writes:
>I've been reading this group for a few days now, and I haven't seen much
>mentioned in the way of recumbant bikes.  Are there any recumbant riders out
>there?
>
>Along the same line, there is a bike shop around here that is selling a 
>recumbant bike.  It is used (many chips and scratches in the paint, mechanics
>look okay) and they are asking $500 for it.  Is this a good deal?  I couldn't
>find a name on it, could it have been a custom built?  Where would be a good
>site for replacement parts, as some of them are pretty specialized.
>
>Recumbant riders, please E-mail me with your experiences riding a "strange"
>looking bike.
>
>Thanks in advance!!
>
>James
>jamesg@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu
======
Yes there are recumbent riders, and I am one of them!  
As far as the used bike goes - whether it is a 'good deal' or not depends, of
course, on the features and its overall construction.  Hard to say without a
model/brand  As long as the tires/brakes/derailleur system are 'standard' you
should heave no problem even if it is custom built. 

I'd prefer to think of my machine as 'progressive' rather then 'strange
looking'  - most comments from folks are very encouraging and positive. 
Riders of traditional bikes are generally not very receptive to recumbent.  I
think it's jealousy - they are stuck trying with aerodynamically inefficient
machines.. 

Good points: 
Full seat in natural sitting position => comfort
Low wind resistance => speed
Rear positioned seat => good stability on stopping (won't pitch-over)
No-so-good points:
Inability to stand while peddling => poor uphill climbing 
Low profile => poor visibility (use a flag)
Recumbents not sanctioned by the ICU for racing contests.

I got my machine to provide an enjoyable means of getting exercise and it
filled the bill very well.  Frankly I love riding it!  My bike is a 'long
wheelbase' design but the steering column is set about a foot back from the
front fork and connected to the fork by a tie-rod..  This allows conventional
steering - a unique feature on a recumbent.  Bikes with underseat handlebars
are somewhat unmanageable when introduced to bumps in the road.  A local
fellow made my bike - just got started in the business - get back if your
interested in knowing more. 

Also,  read article 58509 by Wattenberg & Walsh. It provides some
additional useful info on the subject. 

\_     Good Luck!
   \    Jim Mitroka, Tinton Falls, NJ 


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden)
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:16:59 GMT

In article <1405@esl.ESL.COM> drm@esl.com writes:
>In article <92253.080133LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU  
>(Cheryl Lynn Lavertu) writes:
>> Judith Speck writes:
>> 
>> >Jobst, there is simply no way you can compare homosexual tendancies to
>> >mechanical inclination.  The traits are simply not on the same scale!
>> 
>> >Take your silly sexist BS someplace else.
>> I second that motion!
>


 First, a gentle reminder this discussion is no longer about bikes
and shuld be moved to another group. soc.women perhaps.
And second, I'm going to violate what I just said and give my $.02 worth.



>Well, since no one else seems to be sticking up for Jobst...
>
>It's been a while since I've read any of the stats on male vs. female  
>performance on standardized tests, but there were a number of significant  
>differences.  I think another posted mentioned that men tend to score  
>higher on spatial visualization tests and in math.  (Interestingly, women  
>tend to score as high or higher on "intelligence" tests, since they make  
>up the difference on language ability, but men's scores have a higher  
>variance.  That means men are over-represented both among the  
>knuckle-draggers and the very high scoring.  This factiod was central to  
>some charges that NY State was discriminating against women in awarding  
>scholarships.)


There is a very good book called the Mismeasure of Woman that talks
about this sort of thing. She makes two points--(with lots of citations
of studies and scores)
1. The overlap between men and women's skills is well over 90% except in
the top 2-3% range of math genius' etc. which are almost exclusively
male.  Don't generalize a statistically small occurence as applying
to entire genders, male or female.

2. With the new emphasis on reading disorders etc. the gap between 
men and women's verbal abilities is  disappearing.  Perhaps if
the same attention were given to math and spatial skills
it would also happen there. 
>

> individuals should be assessed on their abilities,
>not group membership.  

Most definitly ditto!

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jan@instar.cuc.ab.ca (Jan Cuthbertson)
Subject: RE: SUMMARY: WIFE doesn't wear helmet...
Organization: INSTAR Corporation, Calgary, Alberta, CANADA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:34:53 GMT


> #2 Re wife not maintaining the bike: almost all respondents suggested that I
> do it. The best response was: "Would you trust her doing the maintanance
> anyway? Don't you want her to be {\it safe\/}?" OK guys (and some gals), you
> convinced me; from now on (as in the past, and just like with her car etc.)
> I'll do the tires and the chains etc. (Question to the ladies: does {\it any
> of you} ever maintain your own bike? (For some reason, none of my female
> family members (mother, wife, daugther, etc.) were ever even able to replace
> a light bulb!))

To answer your question, yes, I do most of the maintenance on my own bike
(bearings, index shift adjustment, flats, etc.), and have done for several
years.  I have also done some touring by myself in miscellaneous parts of
the world which usually meant bike maintenance in the middle of nowhere
where I didn't speak enough of the local language to ask for help if I needed
it.  This self sufficiency may stem from having a pair of parents who are
completely inept mechanically and are very grateful for a daughter who could
fix things around the house (including light bulbs :-)).

> #1 Re wife not wearing a helmet: almost all respondents (with a couple of
> exceptions) were on my side and suggested various means of making her wear
> the helmet such as "tell her you love her" or "fake an accident" or "show her
> some news reports on accidents" or "tell her she looks beautiful in the
> helmet" or "buy a sexy helmet" (she got one: Bell Quest) or "refuse to ride
> with her" or "get a new wife".

I admit that I don't particularly like wearing a helmet when I cycle, but I do
like the protection it provides and consequently wear one.  I have a third eye
attached to mine, and am so used to it, that sometimes I feel I only wear the
helmet so I can see behind me.  I like the third eye since I only have to turn
my head slightly and I can see cars entering from a highway entrance, or watch
that dog in the yard I just passed.

> #3 Re wife riding slower than I: this is a universal problem. Many suggested
> that we buy a tandem (not practical) or that I work out before and/or after
> our ride (that's what I've been doing) or that I carry a weight on my bike
> or, and this is the GRAND PRIZE WINNER, that I should "pedal with one leg
> only".  Wow!!! I luv the suggestion, and I'll do it.

Have patience - this may (or may not) improve with time.  If your wife becomes
enthusiastic about cycling, and starts cycling more frequently, her speed will
improve - especially if she starts cycling on her own or with friends.  She
may needs LOTS of encouragement however - cycling with one leg might discourage
her by making her feel that she is too slow (you know your partner :-)).


By the way, I am a slim, 5' 4", blond, female, heterosexual software engineer.
I hope this doesn't screw up too many stereotypes :-)



Jan Cuthbertson
INSTAR Corporation
Calgary, Alberta
jan@instar.cuc.ab.ca
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 2w8@rice.edu, shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>
>Those are skills my wife very much appreciates to this day.  And I
>respect that, unless I cheat, she is going to beat me to the signpost
>on the sprint.  I cheat, so I win a few.
>

sounds like you're one of those "guys [can't] cope with women who were every bit as
competitive and went for every ball on the line or drove off the tee like they were
trying to reach the green in one shot." ;)

>
>-- 
>sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
>Wanna ride?


Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dsb@gtx.ummed.edu (Douglas S. Bowman)
Subject: Mtn biking at night / Headlights
Organization: University of Massachusetts Medical Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:06:40 GMT

I've recently done some night mtn biking and had a blast....My friend
and I taped some flashlights to the handlebars and cruised through the
woods.  As anyone who has tried this knows...you can't see a whole lot !

Does anyone have suggestions on systems ?  Has anyone just tried to make a
system themselves...by buying a "slide-projector-like" lamp and putting it
together ?  I know the 20-40Watt setups that you can buy are upwards of
$200.00.  If it was a homemade one, I wouldn't expect it to last more than
1.5 hours..which is alright.

Any ideas ?  Suggestions ? 

Organization: Junior, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 12:05:18 -0400 
From: "Christopher L. McGee" <cm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 61cm Cannondale for sale

For sale:  61 cm 1991 Cannondale 3.0 frame and aluminum fork.  This is
the special edition frameset, yellow with Mavic decals in grey.   This
bike is in mint condition.   Including a bottom bracket.  

never crashed, never scratched, always cleaned and polished.  The bike
was flat out babied.  asking $250.00.  Call John @ 412-247-4969 or
respond to this account.

chris 
cm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 07:32:53 EDT
From: Cheryl Lynn Lavertu <LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Jim Moore

I realize that this is probably an unforgivable breach of
net etiquette, but I have lost the e-mail address of
someone who responded to one of my *completely bicycle-
related* posts, and I would like to reply to his mail.
I wiped out my mail log by mistake!   So, Jim Moore,
could you send me your e-mail address again?
    Everybody else, please, no flames.  I promise to be
more careful in the future.    Thank you.
                                    Cheryl
"WORK TO EAT, EAT TO LIVE, LIVE TO BIKE, BIKE TO WORK"
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