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It was Prost who test drove the 93 Williams, a close up of him driving
the car was printed in Newspaper.
Also today London Standard reported that the second Williams' seat will
either be Damon Hill or Martin Brundle, apparently FW wants his second
driver a British..
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Great AJ Story!
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:08:41 GMT

Here's the best racing tidbit I've seen all week, taken
from Chris E's column in NSSN:

"Some wag said the reason AJ Foyt was complaining about the Nazareth
cold Wednesday was because he had auctioned off his winter underwear
in Indianapolis.  Foyt jokingly said that was correct, and then launched
into a revelation that-after emptying out-not all, but a good bit of the
stuff in his Houston garages, he came upon the 1966 Lotus he bought from
Jim Clark in which he got burned at Milwaukee.  "The white paint had
faded and the British Racing Green color was showing through," he said,
adding "Think of what that car would have brought at the auction, a lot
more than was paid for some of the other cars.""

Geez, can you imagine stumbling across something like that in the back
of your garage?!  "Gee, I had forgotten I even had that!"

Elsewhere in this issue, regarding IMSA news from the paddock at
Phoenix, comes this:

"Crews amused themselves in the heat by checking shoe temperatures on
pit road.  A Goodyear tire engineer measured 120 degrees on the shoe of
Motorsports Ministries Richard Anderson, although Anderson was told it
wasn't real accurate under 150"

No mention as to what compound he was running.

-cball-
From: meier@thumper (Christopher Meier)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Auto tranny fluid in manual gearbox
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:53:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: thumper.1992Oct14.025313.9642
Organization: Image Manipulation Systems Inc.

So, does anyone have a pro/con analysis for the use of
automatic transmission fluid in a manual gearbox for
racing purposes?  My particular application is the
Ford 4spd used on their 4cyl cars (don't have the
part # at hand :-) ) on oval tracks, second gear
mostly, with no during race shifts.  Maybe this
winter I'll take one apart and look for problems.

Chris
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Stupid rumor about Mansell and Williams, etc.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:23:57 GMT

	I've read a couple of posts stating rumors about Mansell's
contract being bought out by some Formula One teams. Do people here
on the net take any of these seriously? In the political world of F1,
maybe a contract doesn't mean anything, but here in the U.S you can be
assured that Mansell will drive for Newman-Haas in Indycar, or for no one
at all. Why would Carl Haas go through all the trouble of getting Mansell
just to let him go for mere money? Does anyone think Carl Haas and Paul
Newman need anymore money???????????? NO, what the need, and have, is a 
high profile driver who should win races, and increase the immage of the
sport. There is no way NH will let Mansell go to F1 for '93. 
	Now that I just flamed a little, I'll start cooling off. But, maybe
I'll also include any title with "Mansell to F1" in my kill file just so
I won't have to get frustrated any more. Comments/replies welcome. Flames
aren't.

Regards,
Cory
From: t9014143@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: BRUNDLE TO WILLIAMS!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:07:39 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <Meonw7S00awP4DNF8P@andrew.cmu.edu>, jmb3+@andrew.cmu.edu (Juan Jose Mata) writes:
> Hi F1 fans!!!
> 
> I just heard this on the Spanish Shortwave station: Martin Brundle has
> been signed as the second Wiolliams driver for next year!!!
> 
> I pretty much trust the source since this is RNE (National Broadcasting
> Radio of Spain) who relays their national service to the World!!!
> 
> So, it sure looks like Brundle's little piece in Autoweek this week
> softened some hearts in the hard-hearted F1 world ... :)

	Could you tell some of us who don't get autoweek
	what was generally said by Brundle.

> 
> Too bad for Senna (I am a fan of his actually), but he better show some
> profesionality and drive McLaren next year and do it well!!!
> 
> Bye.
> 
> 		- J.J.


	Thanks in advance.
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Speed Comparison
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:43:06 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione) wrote:

: >margin depends on the type of circuit (fast circuit = more gap between the
: Well, my feeling (worth not more than $0.02) is that :
: fast circuit = less gap (since bikes can be faster in the straight).
: slow circuit = more gap (like suzuka, since cars are much faster in corners).

Hmm.... can the race bikes go over 200 mph?

And what is the acceleration of them? F1's do 0-150 mph in under 7
seconds (for comparision: F40 does 0-125 mph in something like 11-12
seconds, depending on who's driving it).

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From: edc@ENG.Vitalink.COM (Eric D. Christensen)
Subject: Re: What do you think of . . .
Organization: Vitalink Communications, Fremont, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:17:48 GMT

In article <+plp_nd@lynx.unm.edu>, S. M. Trujillo writes:
|> 
|>  . . . ESPN pit-guy JON BEEKHUS !?
|> 
|> (I'm trying to figure out what it is about him that
|>  bugs me so.)

Good question. I find he irritates me too, at least when announcing
for ESPN. Jon was my instructor and coach for a couple years when I
was going the Jim RTussell series. I like him personally and
professionally (although he's ruthless as a coach - just what a
bonehead like me needs to straighten out bad habits), but every time
they I see him on ESPN, the hair on the back of my neck stands up.

Perhaps it's because I think it's a waste to have such a talented
driver doing commentary on TV instead of driving.

Off the subject, (sort of), but one of my favorite racing stories to
tell is about Jon taking me on a couple laps of Laguna Seca when I was
an absolute novice. Since all the sedans were tied up, he grabbed a
Mitsubishi Motero (kind of a cross between an Isuzu Trooper and a
Suzuki Samuri, but built for the family - 4WD, 10' of ground
clearance, wheelbase about as long as a 10 speed, and the track width
of a skateboard). Anyway, Jon takes me for a couple slow laps to show
me the line and point out some reference points, etc, then says "Now,
let's do a couple hot laps so you can get the feel for it". Off he
goes in this 4WD tin death trap on radial tires and procedes to blow
off 3 or 4 laps that must have been right about 2 minutes. Up on 2
wheels in every (yes, even 9 & 10) turn. I'm sure we caught full air
in the corkscrew. 

He then used that aginst me later when I wasn't runniung as fast as he
wanted me to, or was blowing this, that or the other. "If you don't
get it right this time, I'm gonna go get the Montero and show you how"
was enough of an incentive that he never had to make good on the
threat.

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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: New teams
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:


>Ross Barton asks:

>> 	I was wondering about the setups of F1 teams for next year.  I know
>> 	there are three new teams, one of which is Sauber.  Who are the
>> 	others?

>Sauber are the most serious-looking of the new teams. There's also 
>Pacific (the successful F3000 team) and Trebron. There was a lot of hype
>about Trebron in the motoring press over the summer but I think the team
>looks rather like vapourware -- it hasn't figured in any of the
>rumour-mongering recently so it's hard to tell if they're still going ahead,
>and if so, who's going to be driving for them. Last I heard, they were
>probably going to be after Judd V10s. Pacific sounds like a fairly coherent
>attempt at a team though.

>pete
>--
>*Peter Fenelon -- Research Associate -- Software Safety Assessment Procedures*
>Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
>EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built up areas'

	Pacific Racing's chassis for the 1993 world championship, the S102,
will have active suspension/ride height control, traction control, and a 
semi-automatic gearbox. Keith Wiggins, the team principle, said they will be
using Ford V-8 engines. After the initial ballyhoo, I haven't heard much about
Trebron. They said they were going to use Judd V-10's, and that the chassis 
would feature "unique" ideas about the cooling system. Sauber, besides its
own Ilmor-designed V-10, should have traction control and some sort of semi-
auto gearbox. Dr. Harvey Postlethwaite was the original designer, but Steve
Nichols has been there since about February or March, which was before the 
rules changes for next year, so he may have altered it slightly. The last
car Dr. P did was the highly successful Tyrrell 019.


TOBY...
.
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 dates for 1993
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:45:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvtG47.Jux
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	I heard that teh Asian G.P. would be canceled, as the Autopolis
circuit has gone bankrupt. If it doesn't happen, will FISA just have a
15 race World Championship, or will they add another track? If they were
to add another one, which track do you think it would be??????????


thanks,
TOBY...
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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Rahal's '93 Chasis (was Re: New Galmer at Nazareth. Why?)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:54:49 GMT

In article <7OCT199213502421@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>
>Yes, the car will be powered by a Chevy C, but, as things are shaping up,
>so will everyone else with money or lack of connections with Ford.
>
>Even if he looses he will still have plenty of money from the three years
>left on his guarenteed sponsorship contract with MGD.

 Yeah and he now has Red Roof Inns as a sponser also.

>
>On the business side of things, has anyone noticed how quickly Rahal has
>become a major player amonst the owners. First he bought out Patrick Racing
>and now he buys out Truesports. These purchases rank him up there with
>Penske and Haas in the bigshot owner department. He has obviously
>been saving his pennies. 

Bobby has come a long way. And he has been saving his pennies. Just
found out that he is building a new house out in New Albany. I guess
they are going to raise horses. Anyway the place he lives at now is
smack in the middle of murfield golf course. It's a nice place, I have
always found it funny that when you walk doen the 5th or 6th fairway
you see all of these mansions and you can alway tell which on is
Rahal's house, the one with the Jungle Jim for his kids...Just thought
it was funny. With all of Bobby's fame and fortune it's still not
unussual to see him munchin on a burger and reading the paper down at
the Boggie Inn.

As for buying out Truesports, not really. He is going to lease the
buildings from Barbra Trueman, I'm not sure about the equipment. But
I'll find out(just got a job with Red Roof). I heard that Steve Horne
is starting a Indy Lights team in Hillard, so he may be buying some of
the equipment. I know from talking to some of the people at Truesports
that Rahal/Hogan is moving there stuff in at the begining of November
and that Bobby wants to interview some of the team. Probably most of
the chassis guys. And I know that Halliday(chassis designer) has been
talking with the supercomputer people here at OSU.


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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: carbon brakes [was: something about the Honda RA168E engine]
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:03:26 GMT

In article <7OCT199217082354@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>(Mark Jackson) writes...

>First off, it is Carbon-carbon brakes, not carbon-fiber. They do not 
>dramatically stop braking distances as has been suggested. It is possible
>to get the same performance from iron rotors if one is willing to use
>a thick, large diameter rotor. But, as Andrew pointed out, iron weighs
>a good deal more than carbon brakes and that weight is in fairly important
>place on the race car as it is affects suspension reaction.

yesbut.  by and large, rotor diameter in purpose built race cars is
limited entirely by wheel inner diameter; nobody that i know of
sacrifices swept area for lower weight.  long term (long term being
20 or 30 or 60 or however many laps) braking efficiency is too important.

given this, the fact that for a given sized rotor carbon works better
seems rather significant to me.

richard
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From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:13:03 GMT
Subject: Re: %Brakes - technology - F1
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


In article <14OCT199217434199@utarlg.uta.edu>, b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu
(George M. Smiley) writes:
|> squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes...
|> > 
|> >--  
|> >Also ,to correct someone's point : carbon fibre brakes do not just
provide the
|> >same stopping power for a lighter weight than steel ,but they dramatically
|> >improve stopping power for any weight ....
|> > 
|> > 
|> >Stephen Quigg
|> 
|> One more time, it is carbon-carbon which is used for the brakes, carbon
|> fiber would pewter out at around 300 Degrees Fahrenheit. I don't know
|> which publication printed the nonsense about carbon brakes offering
|> superior stopping power that you must be reading, but, I'm tired of
|> hearing this. One can build a large enough iron rotor that will offer
|> equivalent stopping power, but, a) the diameter is too large to fit

	OK then, what if you build a carbon rotor the same size as this
	huge iron rotor you keep going on about ? Surely that'll work
	better ?



	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: Jr & Flossie - NOT!
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:53:26 GMT

pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:

>In article <402@rehab1.UUCP> dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:
>>
>>    It appears the bit of news someone else on the net didnt want to
>>  post about junior johnson (RE: his moving the 2nd team across the
>>  holler) is that he has filled for divorce. Turns out flossie does
>>  not know where jr is currently living and that they havent lived
>>  together for over a year.
>>  -Dan
>-----------------------------
>Howdy!

>That's interesting.  Remeber when Jr was canned by NASCAR for a couple
>races?  The JJ cars were entered as owned by Flossie, and the
>numbers were changed.  That's where Hut Stricklin's "97" you saw
>this weekend (the JJ development car -- that JJ pulled to get BE
>a couple more points when the trackbar gave out) came from.

Actually, this was in the Atlanta newspaper on October 3, but I
couldn't post it at the time because my access still wasn't working
right.  And yes, #97 was the number that they used last year while
JJ was suspended.

>Question?  Does Flossie "own" number "97"?

Actually, I think that we're all missing a connection here.  Why,
we ask ourselves, is JJ going to use #27 on Hut Stricklin's car
next year?  Could it be that Flossie owns #22?  If so, does she
maybe intend to start her own team?

>_IF_ the above is true, its a shame.  Racing, like some other
>occupations, can be hell on a marriage, huh?

*All* occupations are hell on a marriage.  1/2 :-)

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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:21:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Possible SPOILER...IndyCar: The Bosch Spark Plug Grand Prix
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Chill out.  At least he didn't blame another racer as Rahal has this year.
As for the yellows --> as an SCCA flagger I side with Michael.  The yellow
flag at an oval (full course yellow) is often out 1 or 2 laps longer than 
really needed in order for the saftey crews to double check the course for
debris, oil etc...this is even more important on an oval than on a road
course due to the fact that the oval has no run-off.  Now back to the issue -
that said I still think that the last yellow may have been out longer than
was necessary.  Its a debatable point.

As for the pit stop - did Michael make the decision or did he get a pit board?
If he got a pit board (or was told over the headset) to come in then it isn't
his fault and he simply told things as they were.  

On the other hand, if he came in on his own then it is his fault.  The 
telemetry in the pits should have told the crew if he needed fuel or not.
It really should not have been up to Michael.  The crew could have waved 
him off...another debatable point.

Call him rude if you want.  IMO he is a class above Rahal and his whinning
about other racers being in his way.

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From: fosterr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond W. Foster)
Subject: Re: Report of NEW course to be built in S. Florida
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:07:22 GMT

In article <92280.095807MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>This week my mother sent an article from the Palm Beach Post
>newspaper concerning the proposed construction of a
>purpose built road course racing facility, the article
>alleges the proposed facility could be home to the now
>absent USGP, an Indycar race and winter testing. The article
>was centered around legal and financial problems of the
>central figure who's name suddenly escapes me and I've
>trown the article away. I live 175 miles north in
[stuff deleted]

I was in Miami in May this year and remember reading something about the
fellow who was the promoter for the IndyCar street race in Miami. Seems
he was trying to get approval to build a road course on park land on the
north side of Miami. Unfortunately, I don't remember any more details
than that. Could this be the same thing?

Ray Foster
Indiana University
Bloomington IN USA
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:18:02 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Robert J Unglenieks writes:

>>4. Arie Lyendeyk (sp?)
>>
>BTW it's spelled Luyendyk.  You know "lazy on the dyke".

I think the original spelling is Luijendijk.  Like Keke Rosberg and
JJ Lehto of Finland, he changed the spelling to make it easier on those
outside his country.  Maybe someone from the Netherlands can verify the
spelling.

Dan Jones
From: gaf@anasazi.com (Guy Finney)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I Hate Phoenicians!
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:57:27 GMT
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Read the subject line.  You've got NASCAR, you've got IndyCars,
>you've now got IMSA (maybe under the lights next year), you've
>got NHRA (Firebird), you've got a bullring like Manzanita......

Which has now struck a deal with TNN for a World of Outlaws winter
series of 10 or so races.  Watch the TV listings in December.
Then there's the Bondourant school, recently relocated to Firebird.

>How many times have I kicked myself for turning down that transfer
>to Chandler back in '87?!
>Obviously, I'm really envious

Other things in Phoenix to be envious of: winter air pollution that
cuts visibility to 1/2 mile at times, drive-by shootings (yet another
popular automotive sport here), homeless psychos wandering the streets
like characters from a fantasy role-playing game, Charles Keating
(okay, so they got him locked up in California now, but he operated
out of Phoenix and ran nauseating radio ads), Evan Mecham ("What's
wrong with the word 'pickaninny'?"), John McCain & Dennis DeConcini
(two of the Keating Five), and the ever-popular DRY HEAT which has
spawned a cottage industry in steering wheels made from the same
material, and for the same reason, as Space Shuttle re-entry tiles.
-- 
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gaf@anasazi.com  -or-                        I was previously unaware of".
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