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Subject: Re: Gleanings (58
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:10:33 GMT
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  Judith says:

  >AA is (in the US) Alcoholics Anonymous. In the rest of the world
  >it's the Automobile Association (which is the American Automobile
  >Association in the US, or AAA).

  "In the rest of the world?" This is outrageous! "Automobile Association"
doesn't even mean anything in Swedish. Here "AA" means "anonyma alkoholister".

  And the automobile association is KAK, Kungliga automobilklubben. Or
perhaps it's "Motormannens helnykterhetsforbund"? Or "Fotgangarmassakrerarnas
intresseforening"? Hmm...
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              11 Sep 1992 12:10:48 EST from <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

>Speaking of prescriptivism, read Fowler on will/shall.  It's a
>scream.  (I shall/we shall=you/he/she/they will and vice versa.
>Then in the conditional it gets very cute, not to mention
>indirect discourse, where you use the form the original speaker
>would (should?) have used.)


      Is this the article where Fowler (or Gowers, his successor)
      makes the snaguine suggestion that only those from the south
      of England would ever master the distinctions?     --brad
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              at Sep 9, 92 7:52 pm

>
> I hope the blues outvote the raspberries.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>      whose state gave birth to the blues...

Here's one more for blue over raspberry.

rashmi
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> Are there a lot of people working at this low a level of "prescriptivism"
> even in the real world?

Yes.  Always have been, always will be.  But the language goes its merry
way in spite of them -- rapidly "deteriorating" in their opinions.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Krijg de klere:  Dutch swearing.  Means "Get cholera".

In Dutch all the really good curses have  to do with diseases.

Steph
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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> >           bayla-----rita czarina--natalie--love judith
> >               m. <ts>
> >             :
> >             :
> >     ---------------------------------
> >     :           :                   :
> >   ndh        doris                 -ggs
> >    m.?          m. ?                  m. shag (1)
>
> Does all this mean that I'm "Aunt Mama" now?
>
It looks like it. It also looks as if you have the same reading glasses I
have. Welcome to the tree, Aunt Mama love judith.
Doris
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>My already tenuous connection with McGill University is becoming even
>more so, and there is a significant chance that my ID will go away in the
>very near future.  Just in case this happens without further warning,
>I will say au revoir now.

This kind of thing doesn't ever occur to me, so when I realize the
possibility it's a bit of a shock. Since this is "just in case", let
me keep my fingers crossed.

But just in case, goodbye, Tony.

tushar
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Morsel morceau
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:Thought the following might provoke further the recent intercourse
:on things linguistic
:
:
:"The misunderstanding lies in mistaking habits or clusters for rules or
:laws"

Oh, we've already covered the relationship between rules of grammar and
inferred patterns of neural activity at some length.

G
PS What does this have to do with the Doors? :)
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Contrabs
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> Oh. It didn't flash, but it sure was *big.*

>doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)

I have heard this before but, I can't seem to remember where I heard it.

later

alec
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We are testing some new software (multi-session) and is not working too
well so find I can hardly make up anything and hope nothing else
is showing :-).

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Network mail addressing problem
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> If anyone is interested, I have a list of bitnet nodes.  It is not the
> most up-to-date -- from sometime in the last year.  I can no longer get
> such data as we're no longer members of bitnet.

There's one at ftp.msstate.edu (or isis.msstate.edu or ra.msstate.edu)
as docs/bitnet/bitnet-nodes.  I don't think it stays quite up to date
either.  Not many people around here are very interested in bitnet.  I
like using the 'node' command though.  This command in my .cshrc enables
me to identify bitnet nodes by entering 'node [node]':

alias node 'egrep -i \!* /docs/bitnet/bitnet-nodes'

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Gleanings (59)
Date: 16 Sep 1992 03:41:45 GMT
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In a previous article, kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA (Agnes Kruchio) says:

>> .
>> C.O.D. means <Collect On Delivery> and is used by the United
>> States Postal Service....  the sender gets her money from the
>> post office after the post office has gotten the money from the
>> recipient of the mail.
It's also a local joke - the line "sorry, no C.O.D.s" being found in any
and all television ads for things like the _Best of Slim Whitman_ albums
<gag here> the Ginsu Knife, and the imfamous Chia Pet.  I replied to this
once before but a system error ate it, as well as three of four other
messages. Strange are the ways of the Freenet, and mysterious are its 
error codes.:-(
>
>Yea, yea, yea...It is still so rare it STANDS OUT. But bribery of this
>sort will go a long way with me...
Almost as far as a batch of Nieman Marcus cookies?

>(of course one can be perverse and stand it on its head: it can be
>argued that it's a sexist statement because it implies that it's women
>who buy things through the mail, most mail-order having a tacky
>reputation...can't win, can ya...)
That's because of a lot of the mail order catalogues.:-)  They're pure-d
recycling fodder, some of 'em.  LL Bean and Chadwick's of Boston are to of
my favorite exceptions.[and of course , the Williams Sonoma catalogue]

Ruth, culinary lusts awakening
 
>
-- 
Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message
	ap290 and ak743 , both of the Cleveland Freenet
			Here Be Dragons
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Greetings,

Well, what happened to the rest of the story?  Did the subject heading
change, or what?  Small wonder nobody responded to ggs's last tale, if this
is the way he intends to treat his audience.

Marty
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Subject:      Role playing fun
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On Sat, 12 Sep 1992, Gilbert Smith wrote:

> In the con<text> of this dual analogy, I want to know which one is
> Dickens and which is Bernard Shaw?  I want to be Dickens...  I *want*
> to be *Dickens*....

I gotta better game...you be Antony and I'll be Cleopatra. No? Howzabout
Bonnie and Clyde?

-abh
get your asp in here, tony
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: A strange find
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Could be the Sweedish Secret Police way of telling you they visited?
Or, maybe just a bird.

later

alec
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:29:28 EDT
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Posted on 7 Sep 1992 at 13:03:58 by STEC8033@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
>Hi everyone.  Missed me?

Yes!

>Two weeks in a country where they think 6 months to

Ooops, accidentally deleted a line. Oh well.  But my question was,
lots of places take this long to get a phone hooked up; isn't the
US unusual in the short length of time it takes?

Karen
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[2]: Rhubarb Pie: A Plea for Sanity
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>> To me, all the brassicas have a rank, bitter taste, which is most
>> concentrated in those nasty green nuggets of sweatsock essence
>> known as brussels sprouts.

>You could always learn how to bottom to the taste.
>--karsten
>(I've been planning to write on this particular subject elsewhere...)

     Why, karsten, you deviant.  I'll look for further details in
     alt.sex.bondage.vegetables.

     Carol
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hopefully

>Man hofft, dass die Hoffnungsverwirrten hoffentlich noch um
>Hoffnungserklaerung zu hoffen hoffen moegen.

>Hoffnungsvoll,
>brad

What is this, The Tales of Hoffnung?

-Mka
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>  No deconstruction, I just cottoned on to Tushar's reference to the invention
>of the "you will" rejoinder, in Oscar Wilde's reply to somebody's "I wish
>I had said that".

Mah, mah, but the boy *do* cotton on quick to stuff.  Scrubs up
good too.

-Mka
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>>Dickens and which is Bernard Shaw?  I want to be Dickens...  I *want*
>>to be *Dickens*....
>>--ggs
>
>You will be, Giggles, you will be.
>
>-Mka

Wow!

I wish I had said that.

tushar
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>Yes.  Always have been, always will be.  But the language goes its merry
>way in spite of them -- rapidly "deteriorating" in their opinions.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

WRONG!  Not to revisit language and gender in its fulsome
fulsomeness, but the folks who claim the use of he generically is
sexist *are* quite low level prescriptivists, and the language
has *not* gone its merry way.  Politically they have been quite
successful.  Maybe there's a difference between prescribing the
past and prescribing a change.  Maybe?

-Mka
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>  >Mah, mah, but the boy *do* cotton on quick to stuff.  Scrubs up
>  >good too.
>
>  I'm pretty quick at times, but on other occasions I'm not so quick. For
>example, I'm more or less baffled by your remark above. Possibly some
>form of Southern wit is involved which is quite beyond me.

You're doing just fine, Torquemada.  Eat more, worry less, and it
is inevitable that you too will become human.

-Mka
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Senility
Your choice of two
Muffy
Peanut butter & jelly
D-WORD
German-speaking pen-pan
Ruth, of course

Don, I forgot the questions

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Visiting LA and Chicago
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I too live close to West L.A., very near Palms and Sawtelle. In
world famous Venice where the young and the restless juggle
chainsaws on a quiet Sunday morning at the beach.
Marilyn.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Something old, something new
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> OK, I think I understand the exchange.  A couple of questions,
> since in the legal biz this all presents some problems.

Legal stuff uses its own terminology, doesn't it?  Isn't that what things
like Black's Dictionary (??) are for?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why I teach
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Re: Teaching required courses

When I taught freshmen calc, there were (in general) two kinds of students
 - those who knew the material from high school, but chose not to take AP for
some strange reason, and were consequently bored out of their minds,
and those who didn't like the stuff and let you know they were in the class
under duress.  They were the ones who'd say, "But I'm a business major, why
do I need this?"   Natalie's strategy of informing them that their college
made up the course requirements helped sometimes.

Overall, I found teaching frosh an interesting and <often> enjoyable experience.


rashmi
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From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@MOTE.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58)
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>>  8) TVOV (Gilbert)
	I believe this was a reference to the Shakespeare play Two
Gentlemen of Verona.

>> 12) "KOTEX!" (Gilbert)
	I don't recall the context at all -- I'm sure ggs's memory or
notebook will though -- however, Kotex is a brand of feminie napkin.

>> 23) Four-square/thetherball/kickball/jacks
	All children's games -- I'd add hopscotch to the list as well.
>>on the swings/bars (Anne Hy.)
	This refers to the swings and 'monkey' bars in playgrounds.

>> 40) BH&G cookbook (Ruth H.)
	Better Homes & Gardens Cookbook -- Better Homes & Gardens is a
magazine for women -- concerns itself with aspects of homemaking (cooking,
gardens, interior decorating) -- not sure of its current focus or even
if it is still published.  As did many of these magazines, BH&G published
a cookbook.

>> 42) To take/buy the fifth (Graham/Evelyn)
	When an American says "I take the fifth" he is invoking the privilege
granted	to him by the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which specifies
that one need not incriminate oneself.  "I'll buy the fifth" refers to a
fifth of whisky (or other alcoholic spirits).

>> 44) AA joke (Judith S.)
	AA here referred to Alcoholics Anonymous, a support/self-help group
for alcoholics.

Joan (jboor@cs.umb.edu)
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On Sun, 13 Sep 1992, Judith E. Schrier wrote:

> >someone else.  E.E. Cummings?  Definitely *not* I.A. Richards.
> >But definitely somebody else.
> >
> >-Nka
> Sorry, Nka. Archibald MacLeish (not Archie Leech, either),
> in _Ars Poetica_ ("Ars" Latin, not British).
>
> judith

Yo, Ausbrook! Pbbbbbth! ah-hahahaha! I.A. Richards!?! Oh, pick me up off
the floor.

-abh
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Droby: "I also pronouce the [t] in _often_, which I've
        noticed many (most?) people don't."

My high school English teacher Mrs. Tranberry, who was on hand
to watch English flourish from about 1066 on up, insisted that we
not pronounce the [t] in _often_. She also wanted us to say
"Don Jew-on" for Don Juan. In her day it was considered correct
to give English pronunciations to foreign words in English.

     In any event, I go t-less often.

-Rod
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I wonder if the death of superman, and Dagwood's change of profession
are the long-awaited '92 "October Surprise"...?

G
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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> To which Natalie will reply, 'OK, so where does the 'huckle' come
> from?' and Graham gets the old a.f.u archives out and tells everyone
> about the history of whortleberries and ancient worts...

What's a.f.u.?  And how can "huckle" be a morpheme?  Doesn't matter
where it came from.  What's a huckle?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject: Re: Good grief, it's today!

>Are we talking about psychoanalysis, or an implant, or a transplant,
>or all three?
>--ggs (who has a <joke> for any of the above)

State all three concisely, speedily, and without undue amount of
irrelevant comments, ellipses, stutter letters, or wakae.

tushar
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: which/that (was Re: Re: Gleanings (59)
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> thats in a short piece we published here.  Are there no other
> defenders of the distinction between these two?

What distinction?   ;->
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: ducky St. George

>Well, I'm neither yellow nor chubby, though I AM a little fellow.  Anyway
>since droby probably doesn't rhyme with chubby (how do you pronounce
>droby anyway?) we'd have to change more of the song to have this work.

How I pronounce it is irrelevant.  For the proper pronunciation of
anything, I refer you to the ample expertise of the contributors
to the threads aspiration and the t in often--warriors all in the
ongoing battle for alveolar ridge.

-Mka
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>Since Alex is actively trying to improve his writing, I'll be
>considerate and point out a consistent error he's made in every
>second posting over the last year:
>> Most topics are covered but, we revert back to ...
>should be
>  Most topics are covered, but we revert back to...

>G
>(Not a grammar flame - if I were being nasty I'd shut up and let him carry on
>doing it like MacPhil and his 'majour'...)

Correcting my grammar is fine, but please get my mother-fucking name correct
(Alec). Thank you.


Later

Alec D. Plotkin
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:01:18 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teaching....
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> I don't really understand what it is that you don't understand.  What Torkel
> quoted re distinterested/uninterested was, to me, another example of the
> silly notions prescriptivists often have.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Feeling a bit silly responding to my own posting, but I wanted to make it
clear that I wasn't calling Torkel silly or a prescriptivist.  I was talking
about the part of the quotation that pointed out not only did prescriptivists
go against common usage in their prescriptions about "disinterested" but that
they also didn't understand that the etymology was not even on their side.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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