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From: GARYG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: airplanes and bicycles
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:58:30 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Help--I want to "baggage" my bicycle with me but United Airlines wants
$45 each way. The only way I think I can get around this is if I can
pack the bike into 2 boxes each no longer than 61 linear inches (length+
width+height). Any suggestions from experienced bicycle travelers? Do I have
any easier options?

ps. I crudely and quickly measured my frame alone (54cm) and I think a box
    40x24x8 would safely do the job but this is over the limit.

pss. I thought about bribing the outdoor luggage carriers but my travel agent
     told me that the luggage carriers at SFO make upwards of $80,000/year
     in tips and are not easy to bribe.


Desperate,


GARY S. GREENBAUM
GARYG@SLACVM or GARYG@SLACVX
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:15:34 GMT

In article <m=gm#_-.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>They _did_ advertise those sell-out Look pedals when they
>didn't have any though. 

Speaking of those pedals, before you pay $95 at Nashbar, Excel has
them for $77, and Colorado Cyclist has them for $79. Nashbar will
match the price less a nickel!

They do have a bad habit of advertising new stuff before they have it
in stock, so if you haven't seen it in the catalog before, you may
have trouble getting it right away.

PRODUCT PLUG FOLLOWS

BTW, in their current catalog, they have those Avia - look compatible
shoes that you can walk in (and that I rave about so much) for $25.
These shoes are a little warmer and heavier than racing shoes, but if
you want to walk comfortably AND ride using looks, you might want to
check them out! I use them for commuting, randonees and touring.


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Subject: Re: UK Track Bike  (LOTUS Monocoque)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:48:08 GMT

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
: Any opinions on this bike. It looked fabulous on the track and helped
: its rider, Chris Broadman, to set the fastest qualifying time with 4:27.357.
: He was almost 3 full seconds clear of the second time. The designers reckon
: that the bike is about 12secs faster over the 4+ minutes of the pursuit.
: That time was an unofficial World Record 'cause it was outdoors (wind, etc.).
.. and in a pursuit event.  I believe there must be only one rider on
the track for a World record to be official (Les Earnest almost certainly
can give us the details on this; I recall a posting of his giving the
position for (I think) US records, where pursuit times can be recognised
provided a certain gap is maintained between the riders at all times).

No doubt the bike helps, but Chris Boardman got to the Olympics without it;
what were his qualifying times?  How many places is it giving him?  Mike
Burrows thinks he will not stand a chance without the bike.

The bike was designed by Mike Burrows, and further developed in conjunction
with Lotus Engineering (an offshoot of Lotus Cars).  In an interview I heard
either Chris Boardman or the team manager saying that they were not elated with
the time since they have been getting times of 4:22 in practice(!).

And from Cycling Weekly:

Lotus plan to build a range of bikes based on the mono-stay design, including
a time trial and 16-speed road bike with hub-mounted brakes.  A
professional, rumoured to be Shaun Wallace, may ride a Lotus in this year's
world championships in Benidorm.


---- 
Andrew
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:05:30 GMT


Weight reduction techniques deleted...

roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat) writes

-What's the point?  I'd rather lose 5 pounds myself than spend $1500 scrping a
-few
-ounces of my bike.  A whole lot easier and cheaper.


The point is some folks enjoy pouring over catalogs, ordering neato
titanium parts; installing said parts and at least psycologically
going quicker.  Does it make financial sense.  Probably not.
I've never had a weight problem and so the idea of dieting sounds
boring.  I have, however always had this insane habit of modifying
every piece of equipment I've ever had including cars, motorcycles,
bicycles etc.  I even souped up our lawnmower when I was a kid much
to the chagrin of my parents (it blew up).  None of this ever made
any financial sense but its been great fun.

Anyway just another point of view...  ride bike

--Terry (can't leave well enough alone) Powell

PS.  A data point.   I did some quick figuring.  I've spent
approximately $375 on my MB1 and reduced the weight from 26lbs
to just under 24.  Much improved handling and of course I'm
much faster now. :):)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: U.S. Federal Bicycle  Policy
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:28:45 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <27JUL92.15295450@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>Come on now.  6 miles per hour is about the speed of cars downtown in
>most cities.  I think we need not insist on going faster than cars. 

6 miles per hour!  The only people who go that slow around here are 
pedestrians.  Maybe you should get out of Southern California a bit more.
In this city of 100,000+, traffic moves around 30 mph, and smart cyclists
(who use the road) travel around 15-20 mph.  Not-so-smart cyclists
attempt to ride on sidewalks and bikepaths and end up dodging pedestrians,
cars pulling into the crosswalk, and potholes.  I suppose they probably
manage around 6 mph.

Remember, your city may not be as representative as you think.

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Used trailer wanted
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:03:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

A friend is looking for a used bicycle trailer for the
purpose of hauling his two young daughters about.

He can pay @ $150 for one.

Funnel pointers, tips, recommendations, etc., through
me, please.

	thanks

	seh

--
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Keywords: bridge map
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:30:53 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers) writes:

>Road		Bikes?	PA Town		NJ Town		Bridge Name
>US 30		ok	Philadelphia	Camden		Ben Franklin
>PA 73, NJ 73	ok	Philadelphia	Palmyra		Tacony-Palmyra
>PA 413, NJ 541	ok	Croydon/Bristol	Burlington

Now the only thing I don't know is whether these bridges require me to _walk_
the bike over [I'm riding with TIME shoes and pedals, walking sucks] or maybe
actually let me _ride_ it somewhere [in the lane? on the side?]  I know the
Bristol bridge is a narrow bridge and has a speed limit low enough that I
couldn't be ticketed for obstructing traffic... ;)

Anyone know more about this?

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Proper chain length
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:46:20 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: chain, chain-stay 

This is a request for information from people who've built bikes:

My SO just bought a Miyata 600 GT touring bike, and we've had a lot
of problems with shifting.  The derailleur and chain are Suntour 
"Accushift Plus", and the cluster has an 'a' or alpha on it, so I 
assume they're supposed to work together.  

Two problems:  first, the bike is incapable of making the shift from
largest freewheel gear (30) to largest chain-ring (50).  I realize that
this is a combination better avoided, but I've never seen a bike with
a chain so short that this wasn't possible.  The FAQ says to check the
derailleur angle with the bike in the largest chain-ring and second-to-
largest cluster gear.  This is about 35 degrees from the horizontal
(the FAQ recommends 45).  (Sorry, don't currently know the chain-stay
length, I could find out).  Is this chain too short?

Second, after a great deal of tweaking, I'm still unable to adjust the
derailleur to stay in 5th gear.  The problem seems to be that the chain
is wide enough to grab the next gear down (or screw up everything else,
depending on how I adjust things).  Yes, this is an indexed system (I
can't decide if I love or hate these things!)  The chain links are
flared outward to aid shifting, and the smallest cluster gears are filed
on the out-side to aid in shifting (two closest to the drop-out).  Should
I consider switching to another chain or filing some other teeth on the
cluster to "wear-in" the gearing?  

My impressions are that the chain is too short and she'd be better off
with a Sedisport (or even Shimano) chain.  I'm getting considerable flack
from the mechanic at the shop where we got the bike, however.  He insists
that the chain is the proper length.

Anyone willing to help, or point out the book that will correct either
myself or the mechanic?

Ken
From: alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB  Where to ride in the Lake Tahoe area?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: alan@wrc.unr.edu (Alan McKay)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <19920720.133217.994@almaden.ibm.com> fattire@vnet.ibm.com (BJ Hargrave) writes:
>I will be in the Lake Tahoe area for the week of Aug 24 and want to do
>some mountain biking while I am there. Any ideas on some cool trails to
>ride out there? The more single track, the better.
>
>You can reply either to me directly or post to rec.bicycles.
>
>Thanks a lot!

There are virtually hundreds of good rides in what would generally be
known as the "Lake Tahoe area", and everyone's got their favorite(s), based
on some combination of: vistas; solitude; degree of difficulty; etc.

There's plenty of single track on public (i.e., state or federal) lands, as 
well as logging and service roads (these are generally related to utility
or communications installations in the mountains).

There are also scores of bicycle shops specializing (no pun intended) in
mtn. bikes. Most, if not all, of these shops will carry maps, and, more
importantly, a small publication detailing many of the good rides in the
Tahoe Basin. I forget the name of the pub', but it has sketch maps for
each ride, with some narrative on the views, terrain, degree of difficulty,
etc. The first thing you should do when you arrive is get a copy of this,
or some similar publication.

Good luck, and have fun.

..Al
w.a. mckay
desert research institute
reno, nevada

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcelg@r-node.gts.org (Michel)
Subject: Renting bikes in Holland?
Reply-To: marcelg@zooid.guild.org
Organization: R-node Public Access.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:30:02 GMT

I'll be visiting Holland during August with my family.  I do want to do
some cycling while I'm there, but it's not worth the bother for me to
take one of my bikes across the Atlantic ocean.

Can anyone suggest places to rent multi-speed (10+) bikes in 

(1) Bovenkarspel, near Enkhuizen in Noord Holland

(2) Eindhoven, in Brabant

Please reply via email;  if others are also interested, I will forward the 
information to them.

Thanks, or, more appropriately, Erg Bedankt. :-)

--
 Michel Goudeseune                       marcelg@zooid.guild.org
         Love yourself - or nobody else can.  -- Madonna


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Subject: Re: LeMond is officially gone.
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
In-reply-to: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com's message of 22 Jul 92 20:39:48 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:59:08

In article <4611@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:

   In article <1992Jul21.100156.9714@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz) writes:


   |> As for Zulle retiring because he is to young: that is sensible. The lad is only
   |> 24 and not at his physical peak as far as strength goes. The mountains would
   |> have finished him, both mentally and physically.

   (Yes, and Greg only placed third when he was 24 years of age.  I'd say that
   Zulle is the wimp.)

The issue isn't their ages, it's how long they have been pros. Lemond
didn't ride the tour until his third year; Zuelle is in his second. I
don't know off hand how many years Fignon had been riding when he won
his first tour, but his coach, Cyrille Guimard (sp?), was also
Lemond's, so I doubt it was less than 3. 

ONCE has a reputation for turning neo-pros into stars. Their directeur
sportif is being very sensible.

By the way, I think ONCE is doing an incredible job in this TdF. They
are missing 3 of their top riders, Lerrjeta (early retirement),
Melchor Mauri (virus and/or ennui), and Johan Bruyneel (broken hip),
yet they put Zuelle into the yellow jersey for a day and probably have
a green jersey winner in Laurent Jalabert. Way to go! I hope they get
it together for next year's Tour.

--
Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RE: U.S. Federal Bicycle  Policy
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:54:26 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER

I will not repeat John Forester's tirade against bike paths.  I think
he is right when he says that bike paths are dangerous, but that is not
an inherent problem with bike paths, but a problem with the
way they are laid out.  In Holland there is an extensive bike path system
that is quite safe.  Davis California also has an excellent system.
What is good about these systems is that the paths are not shared
with pedestrians, intersections are handled in such a way as to avoid
cars cutting in front of bikes, and drivers are instructed in how to
drive when bikes are present.  What is needed in the legislation that
he is discussing is the need for bike specific paths not the
multi-use paths currently being built.


Paul Stek
Stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
From: larryb (Larry Bernstein)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB Where to ride in New Zealand?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:22:07 GMT
Organization: Sybase

Hi,
I'm planning to do a trip to New Zealand the end of November to
early December (total of 14 days). Currently the plan is to fly 
in to Auckland, rent a van and a couple mountain bikes, drive 
down to the south island , do a series of day mountain bike 
trips, and stay at guest houses. I'd appreciate if anyone can
share insite into any or all of the following:
- possible pit falls of this plan, 
- where to ride, 
- where to stay, 
- advice on renting mountain bikes on north or south island.

Thanks.

Larry Bernstein
larryb@sybase.com 
or try
!sybase!larryb@eng.sun.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: suned1!jkb@nosc.mil (John K Bunk)
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: Are Mine Alone
Subject: Headset problems with my mountain bike
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:06:02 -0700
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I've owned three mountain bikes, and every one has (or had) the problem
of having the bearing locknut loosening constantly!  The threads of all
headsets were not stripped, and I used two wrenches (not one) to tighten
the locknut (used same procedure as with any other bearing adjustment).

Loctite (LockTight, spelling?) seemed to cure the problem with the last
two bicycles I've owned, but loctite doesn't help with the headset on
my current bicycle.

Does anyone know of any other way of keeping the headset locknut tight
(until you want to loosen it)?  Does the Gorilla headset lock work?
Does anyone know of a quality headset which doesn't have this problem?

Thanks!

-- 
            suned1!jkb@elroy.JPL.Nasa.Gov sun!suntzu!suned1!jkb
                       jkb@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
    Any statements / opinions made here are mine, alone, not the Navy's.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Subject: Mounting Vetta C-20
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:27:10 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naru@apache.eng.umd.edu


Hi, I just bought a Vetta C-20 for my Cannondale R-400.
Boy! what a pain in a butt it was to install it.
The major obstacle was getting the sensor and the magnet close enough to each other.
The R-400 has a weird chain stay shape and made it extremely difficult to get
a perfect alignment.

I finally did manage to get it close enough after about an hour or so
, and it seems to be working fine.

But what made it a real pain was trying to figure out which rubber shims to use.
The instruction said to use the thin shims for the sensors, but the thing
came w/ 4 different thickness and varying lengths.  It seemed that
these shims were cut by hand and none of then were really long enough to wrap
around my chain stay.  I think I spent about 30 min trying to figure
out which shims to use.

In the end I didn't use any of them.

So here's a question for those people who have computers on the bike, 
especially the C-20. Do you think it will be OK w/out the shims?
Has anyone else had the same kind of difficulties installing these things?

Thanks in advance,
Naru Takashima

p.s. For those who live in Bethesda, College Park, Greenbelt, MD 
     Do any of you know about a good training ride for a beginner, i.e.,
     the pace is relatively slow so that I can stay w/ the group?
From: pike@zapix.vbo.dec.com (Jesus comes to my rescue !)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Tour de France Prize Money
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:10:23 GMT
Reply-To: pike@zapix.vbo.dec.com (Jesus comes to my rescue !)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I often wondered what a stage win was worth...
Here is an ad taken out by Le Tour sponsors in
L'Equipe.  A dollar is about 5 F.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Tour de France Prize Money (from l'Equipe)

  The 79th Tour de France is once again one
of the richest sports events in the world as
the 198 contestants will share the record sum
of 10,162,950 F.

-- Individual GC (Yellow Jersey, Sponsor: Credit Lyonnais)
   Global sum of 4,050,000 F of which 2,000,000 F
   goes to the final winner.

-- Points Classification (Green Jersey, Sponsor: PMU)
   Global sum of 500,000 F of which 150,000 F goes to
   the final winner, to which is added 440,000 F for
   the PMU interim sprints.

-- Climber Classification (Polka-dot Jersey, Sponsor: Coke light)
   Global sum of 512,500 F of which 150,000 F goes to the
   final winner.

-- Stage Classification (Sponsor: Coca-Cola)
   2,724,450 F of which 50,000 F goes to each winner of a stage.

-- Best Rookie Classificationi
   (Sponsor: Conseil general des Hauts-de-Seine)
   263,000 F of which 100,000 F goes to the final winner.

-- Team Classification (Sponsor: Credit Lyonnais)
   998,000 F of which 200,000 F goes to the final winning team.

-- "Sprints without borders" Challenge (Sponsor: European Community)
   310,000 F of which 50,000 F goes to the final winner.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: yakima vs thule opinions wanted
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:47:15 GMT

I've had a Yakima for five years that I use to haul my canoe, plywood,
whatever. It's wonderfully rugged and the round-tube system is simple and
elegant. I don't think the locks are all that great, though they seem to
do the job.
 
But I haven't carried my bikes on it- I've used a rear carrier instead.
Keep them out of the bugstream and away from bridges and bike-eating
garages.
 
          --mike
From: ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: LEMOND BASHERS?
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:36:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

Lemond bashers, eh? OK, so I'm not a big fan of Lemond, but I do admire his
achievements. As for all the Lemond bashers trying to climb Alpe d'Huez just
the once, well if I got paid $1 million a year to ride a bike, then I'd be up
le Alpe like a shot.

You are all overlooking the real reason for Greg's retirement. *TIRED LEGS*. In
past years, Greg has concentrated solely on the Tour. This year, he has ridden
the Tour de Trump (and won), the Giro (top 5 placing), and now the Tour. I
wonder if all that riding was wise. I heard a romour that "Z" virtually told
him to ride the Tour de Trump, because they needed a win, and needed Greg to
win on "home ground".

On our TV coverage of the Tour, Greg was interviewed after retiring, and he said
that his cardiovascular system was fine, his back and knees were not too bad,
but that his legs were just so tired. He was dropped very early on (in the first
few km), and he and Duclos-Lassale retired at the feeding station.

He will be back. He has come back from greater adversity. 

-------
Charles
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:33:35 GMT


>What's the point?  I'd rather lose 5 pounds myself than spend $1500 scraping a few 
>ounces of my bike.  A whole lot easier and cheaper.

As a FOM put it, "Hey, I can take a heathly Sh*t in the morning and save
$2000 on titanium!"  I tend to agree.  What kills me is when a different 
FOM replaces otherwise good parts to save 2-3 grams, but, I can't complain
as I'm often first in line for these parts. Me I replace it when I break it,
and since I broke it, I feel I deserve as upgrade. 

Chris "over bars" Ward

>---
>Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
>Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
>100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
>Richmond, CA  94802-0627

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Results of Grundig World Cup at Mammoth?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:13:45 GMT

truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell) writes:


>An interesting note was the course record breaking downhill performance
>of Jimmy Deaton on a full-suspended YETI. I think this is the first time
>a bike with front AND rear suspension has given such a performance.

What! Frist time for front AND rear...get real...did you just wake up.
Sorry of the flames, but, full suspension bikes have been almost standard
for the downhills for quite awhile.  Yeti's is new, as far as I know.
Look into some back issues of MBA if you don't believe me.  Herbold has been
building up he's own full-suspention for years...at a bike show last year
he had his dual Rock Shox model that he built himself.  Now he's got a 
new rear suspention that he built with a motocross buddy (Oh, and a new 
long travel Rock Shox prototype up front).  Anyway full-suspention bikes
have been the rule in the winner circle for the downhills, you just don't
see them much as they haven't got them light enough for the cross country.

Chris "over bars" Ward
>  --scott