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From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Maternity leaves in civilized countries
Date: 8 Oct 1992 11:34:04 GMT
Organization: TMC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Oct8.053929.21916@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, chakrava@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
|> 
|> Since the list only included about 10 countries in Europe and North America,
|> am I correct in assuming that the other 147 countries in the world are
|> "barbaric" as opposed to "civilized?"

Dear PUT :

The list was in no way inclusive. For instance, they left *my* native
country off, which is a helluva lot more civilised than some of the countries
that did make it to the list. So not being on the list doesn't mean you're
barbarians.

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
From: peterw@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Peter Wagner)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: US Permanent Resident Visa Lottery
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:06:39 GMT
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Originator: peterw@sydrd14



I am seeking details of the draw of US Visa for permanent
residency status (the 2nd annual draw)

If you have details of this would you please E-mail me
direct at "peterw@tps.com" or "@tplrd.tpl.oz.au"


Thanks

Peter Wagner
Telectronics Pacing Systems
7 Sirius rd
Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: FANTASY JOB...
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:44:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA

I'd like to get paid lots && lots of money just to be me 8-) 8-) 8-)
I'd putter away my days... maybe writing some code here, maybe
composing a symphony there, maybe building some furniture... whatever
*I* wanted to do on *my* terms and *mine* alone.

I even think something of value would come out of it 8-)

Any offers?  References available upon request 8-)

-- 
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
From: 5623vyasr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: ROTATING EQUIPMENT ENGINEER
Date: 15 Oct 1992 14:34:15 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5623vyasr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu

*******************************************************************************
  Hello Folks: I am Graduating With Ph.D in Electrical Engineering at 
  MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY, Milwaukee, Wisconsin in December 1992. 
  I have successfully completed all the requirements towards Ph.D at 
  Marquette University therefore available to start job anytime from now.
  Below some of my research interests and dissertation details are
  given:

  AREAS OF INTEREST: Current Research Interests Include Design, Analysis,
  and Development of Electric Rotating Machine Systems, Drives and associated
  Power Electronics, and Computer-Aided Solution of Electromagnetic Field 
  Problems in Electromagnetic Devices using Finite Element Method. 
  I have used ***FINITE ELEMENT METHOD*** in 
  modeling, simulation and performance prediction of various electrical
  power apparatus using MSC/MAGNETIC software package (Finite element
  software package) on the APOLLO workstations, and my own 
  finite element software in FORTRAN language on VAX/VMS.

  My Ph.D dissertation work is regarding the study of effects of 
  TOOTHLESS STATOR DESIGN on the Dynamic Performance of the
  Permanent Magnet Generators. In this work the stator teeth of the
  permanent magnet generator are completely eliminated hence the stator
  winding conductors are not embedded in the stator slots. Again in this
  work the FINITE ELEMENT METHOD was used and also the associated power
  electronics was studied. The generator analysed is realistic and
  is used for aerospace applications. This research was funded by 
  SUNDSRAND Co., Rockford, IL. I also have several transactions/conference 
  publications. 

  For Further Details I can be Contacted Anytime by Phone or e-mail Address 
  Given Below:
 
  Telephone (Resi): (414)931-7393
  e-mail address:  5623vyasr@vms.csd.mu.edu
  
  RAJEEV VYAS
From: marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Computer Salary Survey
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:36:34 GMT
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com

Source EDP has offices in several major cities and cater, seemingly, 
to business type programmers/personnel (Well the guy was asking
questions about Cobol, CICS, MVS, etc). "Computerworld" recently
put out a salary survey, also for MIS types. "Unixworld" put one
out in May 1992 but the results were probably skewed towards
Unix types. Electronic Engineering Times put one out in its 8-31-92 issue
but was skewed towards EE/Software Eng'g types.

So ... I haven't found one survey that covers all programmers
but surveys for specific fields seem to be readily available.

In article <1992Oct14.204554.5154@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> boaz@lcs.mit.edu writes:
>Someone asked a while ago about salaries: There is an agency in Boston
>that would send you the "New 1992 Computer Salary Survey" (free, no 
>obligation ...).  I got my copy, but browsing through I felt that their
>figures are too low; I suspect that they want to prepare people using
>their services (i.e., looking for a job) for a lower salary, hence making
>them more "marketable" (i.e., for the hiring company: salary + agency_fee
>costs more reasonable).
>  One side of their newspaper ad offered positions with salaries like 
>50K,60K,65K . But the figures in their Survey were more in the fourties.
>
>  Anyway, if anyone is intrested, their address is:
>	SOURCE EDP
>	155 Federal Street, Suite 410
>	Boston, MA 02110
>	(617) 482-8211
>	FAX (617) 482-9084
>and just ask for the above survey.
>


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed
marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      |here are my own; they do not
..!uunet!gcx1!marka               |reflect the opinion or policies
                                   |of Harris Corporation.
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: what's a nice place? Places in the US
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:05:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bradley University

john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght) writes:

>choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>
>>	Alberquerque, New Mexico
>
>I've never been there, but I've also heard it is nice.

I suppose, but it's also incredibly poverty-stricken.

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
        Shut up. Consume. The comfort you've demanded is now mandatory.
--------------------------{dave@bradley.bradley.edu}---------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pchi@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Eric Chi)
Subject: Good reason for a few days' off
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:07:59 GMT

Hi,

I need your help and suggestions on how I can get a permission from my
boss for a few days off with a good excuse which will not leave a bad 
impression to him(my boss). I don't want to give him the real reason for 
my leave. But I have to take a few days off to do something really 
important. I just accepted this job and have started it for only one week.
I have been thinking of the excuses I may use instead of telling the truth.
It is written in the company's employee handbook that employees are not 
encouraged to take a leave during the first three months unless they have
emergent reasons. 

Any suggestions? Your help is highly appreciated. 

Thanks. 


Diana
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Bargaining for vacation time?
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:08:15 GMT

In article <greg.719076211@saltydog> greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>In <1421@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>
>>In an article, greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis) writes:
>>>[...] Frankly, if I were to start making demands it would be for LESS work
>>>or MORE money.  Ideally both, where the amount of work comes as close as
>>>possible to zero.
>
>>You sound like the ideal employee. If we were hiring, you'd be just the kind
>>of person that I'd be looking for.
>>
>> NOT.
>
>Nice context on that attribution, Mike.  Lessee, if I follow your logic
>you're more likely to hire the person who says:
>	"Less money and more work!"
>than the person who says:
>	"More money and/or less work!"
>
>Sounds like a great hiring policy.  You must have a lot of:
>	1.  Liars
>	2.  Psychopaths
>	3.  Masochists
>

How about people that enjoy their work?

How about people that would like to improve their lot in life and are willing
to work a bit harder to do so?

Yes, I think that some of these folks might be useful, productive, HAPPY
 employees.

>Are they your "ideal" employees?  Frankly, I would much rather have a
>well-balanced and adjusted individual in my employ.  Someone who was
>capable of a rational response.


orville

--------------------------------------   **************************************
Orville R. Weyrich, Jr.                        Weyrich Computer Consulting
Certified Data Processor                     POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
Certified Computer Programmer            Internet: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net
--------------------------------------   **************************************
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay)
Subject: Re: Employment agencies
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:43:56 GMT

In article <1aom58INNnk2@network.ucsd.edu> ridgway@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Douglas T Ridgway) writes:
>
>I have a few questions:
> 1. Has anyone had a good experience using an employment agency
>    to find an entry level  job?
>

I found my very first job through an employment agency.  I was
looking for a programming position and the company that hired
me would have taken me as one, too, only the V.P. of R&D noticed
the human languages on my resume and had me talk to the V.P.of
International Marketing and I ended up becoming a technical
support person.

The employment agent not only found me the possible position,
he coached me on how to shake hands and otherwise present
myself for the position.

It worked out great.


-- 
John Altinbay   -   altinbay@netcom.com
===============================================================
There's a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me
My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
Subject: small company looking for good RCGs - (hypothetical case)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:18:27 GMT

Begin hypothetical

  A software development firm seeks recent college graduates degreed in
  CS or a technical field.  We want only the top notch graduates who
  know their stuff well and can prove it.

  ...

End hypothetical


Now what is such a firm supposed to do to find these top quaility RCGs.

Recruiters are not geared up for RCGs at all (they have large lists of
proprietary contacts and references that have very little in the way of
college graduates).  They would want a full fee for the work as well,
and the small firm may only be willing to pay the RCG below standard
salary until their abilities are proven and the firm's growth begins.

College placement offices in many schools do not make it easy to even
get a slot to come in and interview their students (even today when even
the best RCGs are having a hard time finding jobs).  Of course the best
don't want to settle for the mediocre jobs the large companies' college
recruitment programs stick them in the first few years.

Also, to do this search at colleges would require a LOT of manpower
resources.  How many people would it take to go around all the good
and/or major schools to find the best people?  We are probably talking
about 200 to 500 schools, minimum, so that means at least 10 recruiters.
The firm may only want 10 new people.


What I think:

There is a potential market for the "college placement recruiting" business.
What this kind of recruiter would do is accept business clients across the
country that are specifically looking for RCGs where the pay (and fee) will
be lower.  The recruiters in this business would travel the college interview
circuit representing not their own company, but their entire base of clients
that are looking for a "a few good RCGs".


Solutions:

Existing recruiting firms might branch out and try this.  It would be to
their advantage to do this even if they merely break even on it (it won't
be the big profit generator, we know that).  For clients wanting either
experienced people or RCGs, this increases their flexibility.  It also
gets them a fresher contact base for each RCG they place.

Another possible solution is for an RCG to gather up a few friends in a
like situation and start such a business on their own.


BTW, my concern for the RCG problem is NOT based on being an RCG.
I have 12 years experience since school.
-- 
/***********************************************************************\
| Phil Howard  ---  KA9WGN  ---  pdh@netcom.com   |   "The problem with |
| depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
\***********************************************************************/
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Strengths and Weaknesses (was Re: Advice Please)
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:18:18 GMT
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA

In article <aF0LsB5w164w@cellar.org> toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps) writes:
>A manager who likes to play politics would interpret this answer as a true
>negative.  But that's fine; it's also an honest answer, and I really
>wouldn't want to work for a manager who doesn't value principled people.

You seem to imply that playing politics and valuing principled people are
mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be that way, you know.

-- 
Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike  (714) 681-2623
Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
From: kdq@quest.UUCP (Kevin D. Quitt)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Allen & Associates (Headhunters)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 13:48:02 PDT
Reply-To: srhqla!quest!kdq
Organization: Job quest  (805) 251-8210,  So Cal: (800) 400-8210

barker@saipan.wri.com (Harold Barker) writes:
> In article <5o1DsB4w165w@quest.UUCP> kdq@quest.UUCP (Kevin D. Quitt)  
> writes:
> > vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro) writes:
> > > ... a little alarm went off in my head when the woman
> > > there wanted a 398 dollar "out-of-pocket" payment up front.
> > 
> >     Listen to that alarm.  Run, do not walk, away from them. Do not pay
> > them anything.  No reputable placement firm will charge you anything.
> > 
> This is an out-placement firm i believe.

    That can make a difference, since you're supposedly getting
counselling and career guidance.  Outplacement is usually provided by
the employer; the good outplacement firms I know (and work with) do not
accept people directly, but only through their (ex)employer.


 _
Kevin D. Quitt                                 Job Quest (805) 251-8210
srhqla!quest!kdq                               Learn How to Get a Job in SoCal

                96.37% of all statistics are made up.
From: laurad@kenda.mv.com (Laura dos Santos)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: ***Long Term Communications Consultants NY area***
Distribution: usa  
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 13:59:25 GMT
Organization: KENDA Systems, Inc.


Greetings, 
 
KENDA Systems, Inc. is an international software organization, specializing
in placing quality computer consultants for a wide variety of companies
throughout North America and Europe.       

Currently, my New York Office has several openings for consultants with strong
C/UNIX skills and product development with SNMP and/or CIMP protocols.

For immediate consideration, please call Nancy @ (212) 599-6969

Regards,
Laura
Laura dos Santos				Telephone: (603) 898-7884
laurad@kenda.mv.com				Address:   KENDA Systems, Inc.
						           1 Stiles Rd.
						           Salem, NH 03079
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Contracts, short or long.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:16:51 GMT


Highly motivated individual seeks computer programming
contract from industry and business.

Ph. D. from a prominant university. 6 years of programming 
experience, logical and mathematical mind, have worked for 
several large industrial and academic projects. In depth
understanding of computer architecture. Especially 
good in parallel processing, graphics, computational geometry, 
and file management. Excellent programming style and 
documentation. Efficient and always in time.

Interested in industrial code parallelization, business
software design, database for trading and financial system,
and graphical presentation.

If your company has problems but do not want to hire permanent
employee for unpredictable economic climate, contact me
at (317)-328-9842.

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: seek@world.std.com (SEEK)
Subject: MS WINDOWS DESIGNER FOR BOSTON AREA CONTRACT refWindowS+recruiter+
Reply-To: seek@world.std.com
Organization: SEEK Consulting Companies Ltd
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:42:22 GMT


******************************************************************************
*  these are not entry level positions * please send resumes in ascii format
******************************************************************************
*  local engineers are preferred       * all locals will get a response back
******************************************************************************
  
            MS WINDOWS DESIGNER/SYSTEM ANALYST FOR BOSTON CONTRACT
 
AVAILABILITY:       IMMEDIATLEY
 
DURATION:           3 MONTHS
 
LOCATION:           BOSTON AREA
 
TECHNICAL:          MS WINDOWS, INTERFACE DESIGN, PROTOTYPING
 
ADDITIONAL:         EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH BUSINESS REQUIREMENTS,
                    SETTING UP WINDOW BOXES, FAMILIAR WITH 
                    GUI STRUCTURE, THIS IS NOT A CODING POSITION
  
FOLLOW UP:          seek@world.std.com
                    1-617-246-8246 (fax)
                    1-617-246-8234 (phone)
 
CONTACT:            SANDRA STRONG
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.misc
From: saab@netcom.com (Albert Saab)
Subject: Consulting Telemarketer Needed
Followup-To: pager
Keywords: CONSULTING, SALES, TELEMARKET
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:21:01 GMT


  Freelance "Consulting Services Telemarketer/Sales rep" needed to help a 
computer consulting firm market it's services.  Work from home on a part-time
or full time basis with very good commissions.

 Must have:

  - Knowledge of the consulting business
  - Technical background helpfull
  - Must be able to work alone with no supervision.


Call 510-438-3135 (PAGER) leave message or punch in number.  DO NOT RESPOND BY 
E_MAIL.


Thank you.
From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: use of m.j.c
Keywords: clients contracts jobs
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:59:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <BvyxGt.3vG@sdf.lonestar.org> carden@sdf.lonestar.org (Jack Carden) writes:
>Let's ask those recruiters and consulting service organizations
>that offer JOBS to use misc.jobs.offered for their purposes.

The last time I heard such disparaging words about JOBS, it was
an Amway promoter speaking. :)

Seriously, as a person who has been posting some openings in m.j.o
and m.j.c, I don't care which newsgroup they get posted in.  The whole
intent is to post them where people expect to find them.

But I think there ARE people who are interested in these hourly positions
rather than salaried positions, and who are willing to accept payment on a W-2.

>If it's via W-2, it's a part-time or full-time job.

Shall we have a misc.jobs.contract.w2 and a misc.jobs.contract.1099? :)

So far, the only comments posted favor keeping these W2 offerings
out of here.  I'm going to abstain, cause I don't care.  But if the
other side doesn't speak up, then those few who have commented will wind
up making the decision for everybody else.

				Eli Mantel (eli.mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu)
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.contract:3763 atl.jobs:508
From: auug@dscatl.UUCP (Atlanta UNIX Users Group)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,atl.jobs
Subject: C++/UNIX/SUN/Motif Programmer/Analyst contract, Memphis TN (recruiter)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:37:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Atlanta UNIX Users Group,  Atlanta  GA

[ Supplied to the Atlanta UNIX Users Group (AUUG) ]

C++/UNIX/SUN/Motif  Programmer/Analyst wanted for a
24-month contract in the Memphis area.

Urgent need

Contact:
  Jim Porter
  Computer Systems Resources
  7246 Stout Road, Memphis TN  38138
  (800) 489-2700
  (901) 756-0544 (FAX for resumes)

[ AUUG is posting this as a service to the NETNEWS community.  The recruiter
  does not have e-mail capability, so e-mail responses will not be forwarded.]
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: mbr@merk.com (Mark Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Advocate for Repeal of 1706
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 17:58:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.141328.26960@mcs.drexel.edu> udmorrow@mcs.drexel.edu (Daniel Morrow) writes:
>This newsgroup is called misc.jobs.contract.
>
>I think this means that this is where people post contracting jobs,
>not lengthy discussions. 
>
>Basically, this topic doesn't belong here.
>-Dan.


This is the second time this week that this erroneous assumption has appeared!
What's going on?

For your information, misc.jobs.contract is for ALL types of discussion
relating to contract work.  Perhaps the group should be divided into subgroups
like misc.jobs is.  The analogous groups would be:

	misc.jobs.contract.offered
		Clients post notices of available work
	misc.jobs.contract.resumes
		Contractors post notices of availability
	misc.jobs.contract.misc
		Discussion of everything else relating to contracting
	misc.jobs.contract.offerred	:-)
		This misspelled newsgroup name seems to reappear under misc.jobs
		no matter how many times it is rmgroup'ed.  It would probably
		show up under misc.jobs.contract if there were a
		misc.jobs.contract.offered unless we teach people to spell!

But until such time as the group is subdivided, it will continue to cover
all the aforementioned topics, as it has since its inception.
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Advocate for Repeal of 1706
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:45:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Oct9.141328.26960@mcs.drexel.edu> udmorrow@mcs.drexel.edu (Daniel Morrow) writes:
>This newsgroup is called misc.jobs.contract.
>
>I think this means that this is where people post contracting jobs,
>not lengthy discussions. 

Not exclusively.

>Basically, this topic doesn't belong here.

The periodic posting on m.j.c states that it is for discussion of *all*
matters affecting contract employment. Sec. 1706 has a *direct* bearing
on every engineering/computer consultant as well as any firm which wishes
to retain them on a 1099, as opposed to a W-2, basis.

Steve
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract