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From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: *** Quick! *** Need Trident chipset info for X!
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:57:49 GMT

Hello Netland!

Please!  I've ordered a new machine to run Linux on but I want
to be sure that I'll be able to run X in the highest possible
mode.  I understand that a certain Trident chipset (A, B, C or D)
will run in the high res modes (1024x768x256) under Xfree86.

Which chipset is it?  I certainly don't want to shell out 
$5000 only to get X in CGA or something gross like that.

I'll be installing the very latest SLS distribution when I get
this machine, if this helps any.  

I know I ask stupid questions but hey, we're all dumb once, right?!


C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca
From: oreillym@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael O'Reilly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Ghostscript
Date: 14 Oct 1992 23:14:02 +0800
Organization: Home
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Johannes Grosen (grosen@isc.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu) wrote:
: 
: I'm looking for sources/binary for a recent version of ghostscript.
: Can you point me in the right direction?

The GNU ghostscript compiles straight out of the box. I don't remember
making any changes to get it to compile.

Try prep.ai.mit.edu for ghostscript. There will probly be somewhere
closer..


 
: Thanks!
: Johannes Grosen
Michael

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lruppert@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Your worst nightmare...)
Subject: ]SLS 0.98 kermit freezes mouse in Xfree861.1
Originator: lruppert@rodan.acs.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:24:49 EDT

Has anyone else had this problem.  Starting kermit on /dev/modem freezes the
mouse on /dev/ttys1.  /dev/modem is a symbolic link to /dev/ttys2.  Please
help.  I have to do kermit by hand from the command line until it is fixed.
Also has anyone gotten tcpip to work under 0.98 with GCC 2.2.2d with jump tables?
My copy wants libc.2.2.2 and I just deleted it.  Are the sources for telnet 
and telnetd and named , etc available someplace?

Also, does anyone have a fix for messy window cleanup under X?  What happens
is the window is not completely erased when it is moved or closed or refreshed
so it leaves part of itself behind.  Under SpeedUp it is so bad that I can 
almost read the lines of an Xterm after I have closed it.  Does anyone have a
similar problem?

Thanks,
Louis Ruppert
lruppert@rodan.acs.syr.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Xconfig, clock.exe, mouse & WD chipsets
Reply-To: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:28:26 GMT

Okay, I don't know what to do about the following problem...

I need to change Xconfig for my monitor/vga card combo, but I haven't
been able to figure it out.

Problem #1) clock.exe - It seems to work for ET[3|4]000 cards, but what
	about the WD chipset? I got 25.2 25.2 25.2 25.2 or 25.2 22.6 22.6 22.6
	
Problem #2) I've read video.configurations (or whatever it's called) and 
  	it MIGHT make things easier, but it seems to address only a 
  	multisyncing monitor. WHat about fixed frequency monitors? It isn't
  	obvious. I have a ViewSonic 6, fyi.

Problem #2a) My monitor spec sheet doesn't seem to jive with what the video
	document talks about. I don't see an easy correlation between some 
	of the numbers. Is there a SIMPLER method...more specific for 
	certain modes? I realize that their is a modesDB, but it doesn't 
	contain WD chipsets, or a ViewSonic 6 monitor, so I'm confused on
	what to do.
  	
Problem #3) I DID get X11 to work sort of. I'm not using all of the screen,
	though. Probably about 80% of the viewing area. Anyway, the mouse
	works fine except the right button doesn't do anything! I might not
	worry about this, except that I can't quit the Xclock or bash windows
	using the mouse. (I can only quit BASH by typing EXIT). WHat's up
	with the right button? I have a Z-Nix mouse or something generic like 
	that.
	

Answer) Hey if you a a generic WD chipset vga card w/ ViewSonic 6 monitor,
send me you Xconfig, and we can skip the above questions. (Though I am a 
bit curious to the answers) 

Looking forward to using Linux/X to its full potential.


--Mike
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+--------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Miller   millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com                 |
| (512) 891-8582   Motorola - Semiconductors  Austin, TX       |
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
| If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting |
| them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no   |
| good reason. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey                 |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: sh0002@porsche (Scott Hou)
Subject: Re: linux-0.98 booting problem
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:33:37 GMT

I used Lu's bootable rootdisk.  One problem that I had was that
I could not boot from the HD iff I have no DOS partition but
only a swap and linux file system.  I created a 5MB partition
and formatted it with DOS (bootable) and then added linux
as the second partition, poof!, everything worked.  I then
proceeded to delete the DOS partition, mkswap that partition
so as to change it to a swap partition.  Now everything boots
up fine.  Lu's disks don't include the 'include' files for
the compilers to work (correct me if I'm wrong.)  So you'll
have to get the Linux source code.  I am running Linux on both
an EGA with monochrome monitor, 386SX-16, 5M RAM, 57 MB file
system, 5 MB swap, 387, plus on a 386-40, 8M RAM, 55 MB file
system, 5 MB swap, 10 MB DOS, no 387, mono adapter and mono
display.  The SX is at 0.98 pl1, and the -40 is at 0.97 pl6.

The only thing I still need help with is mailpak1.3 or any
other thing like sendmail/taylor uucp/??? for email using
uucp.  Since I really know nothing about uucp, I'm slowly
trying to get all the stuff that I need.

By the way, compress on Linux seemed to have problems with Lu's
disks but compress on the Sun did not (why?)  Oh, yes, Linux
works great with RLL controller (16 bit adaptec) and RLL drive,
using type 47, user defined hard disk types.

The only thing annoying is Lilo must ask for SVGA options (on
the EGA system) so I can't have the system auto-reboot
completely after a power cycle (power outage.)

X probably won't work with the EGA card so I never tried.

--
Scott Hou                          phone: 612-574-8660
Consulting at Medtronic, Inc.      email: scott.hou@pace.medtronic.com
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 11:45:25 -0400 
From: "Brian E. Gallew" <geek+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Mount in rc

Why is it that I have to have "mount -a" TWICE in my /etc/rc?  For
some *stupid* reason, only putting it in once will do absolutely
*NOTHING*!  Why?

                                  -Brian

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From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Needed for MUD/MUSH stuff! (Was: loopback telneting)
Date: 8 Oct 1992 12:55:17 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: We need to know!

mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>i don;t have the correct ethernet card for tcpip under linux but
>i would like to be able to tcpip to my own machine. i asked
>this question on the mailing list and noone answered.
>
>Could some1 please post or email me what I need to do???
>BTW, is there a FAQ??? :)

I don't have an EtherNet card either, but I'll be wanting to compile and
run TinyMUSH 2.0 (server) and TinyFugue beta.6 (client) which need TCP/IP.

Is there anything special I should know in setting up the kernel source
for compiling-in the TCP/IP stuff?

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Call for updating old binaries at archive sites.
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:56:35 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

In article <1992Oct9.050737.2897@utdallas.edu> ramesh@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh) writes:
>  I was told today by hlu (the GCC man) that a major bug in linux C library
>was fixed around the time when gcc 2.2.2d was released. If I can recall the
>approx time... it was after Jul 15th and before Aug 15th. But many programs in
>the archive sites are older than Jul 15th and therefore need to be updated.
>Furthermore jump 4.1 libraries will make this the last effort in updating.
>
>Therefore may ask the original (or latest) contributers of these packages to
>the archive sites to recompile them again with the latest gcc and jump 4.1
>release of libraries.
>
>Of course, I can do it, but only if I have the disk space and ....
>
>All I can provide at this time is the latest kermit and ghostscript binaries.
>Is there interest?

	Yes, I think that this is an excellent idea.  I am even beginning to
wonder if all non-jump binaries should be kept in a separate directory tree,
just to make it obvious where recompilation needs to be done.

-Eric

P.S. As a matter of fact, on my system kermit is the only executable so old
that it will not work with ldd, so I would definitely like a kermit and gs
binary :-).

-- 
Eric Youngdale
From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Yet another new Linux user
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:51:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b63519.student.cwru.edu

I heard about Linux a couple of days ago, and started to install it today. I 
DL'd the SLS distribution from tsx-11.mit.edu, put all the files on floppys, 
and got to work. (After rewiring my drives so that my 3.5" drive is A, for 
now at least. :-( )

Anyway, I've had problems. During install, I twice got this message:
   tar: child died with signal 11 (core dumped)
Contrary to expectations, the install ignored this and continued. This 
happened while processing the files tar and lib41. For some strange reason, 
however, tar at least WAS installed. What happened? Do I need to worry? 
Reinstall?

My next problem is more serious. The disk that I used for the X7 disk was 
corrupt. Nothing was recovered from it. The only file on it appears to have 
been xbin or something like that. Can anyone tell me EXACTLY what to do to 
add this file to my system? I am NOT familiar with the use of tar or 
compress.

One more problem...I can log in now as 'root', as instructed. When I do so, 
I am told to type "menu" to get a menu. I type menu, and am told that no 
such command exists. Any ideas on what happened?

<Whew> That's it. My eternal and undying thanks to anyone who can help 
me... :-)
+-------------+------------------+---------------------------------+
| Damien Neil | dpn2@po.cwru.edu | Case Western Reserve University |
+-------------+------------------+---------------------------------+
From: jy10033@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SIGIO?
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:11:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw8u3C.B99
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I read in /usr/include/linux/signal.h that sigio is not implemented.

I was wondering why not?  I was also wondering how 'standard' sigio
is... I notice that old AIX doesn't have it, Sunos41 does, and I have
no idea about other unices.

I don't really like 'select', it just doesn't work out 'neatly' when
you're trying to juggle lots of different kinds of events (ie, not just
reads of file descriptors).

- Josh
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: Re: New serial programs failing under 0.98.0
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:57:34 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:41:44 GMT, bjones@cambria.columbus.oh.us
>>>>> (Bill Jones) said:

Bill> It places /dev/ttys0 on IRQ4 (correct) and /dev/ttys2 on IRQ3
Bill> (incorrect, it is on IRQ5) and /dev/ttys3 on IRQ3 (correct).  It
Bill> does not find my internal modem on /dev/ttys1 on IRQ3.
Bill> Therefore uugetty fails to initialize on that port.

I had the same problem.  The way the new driver works is that sets the
port to interrupt of THRE (Transmitter Holding Register Empty) and
then waits to see which interrupt fires off.  This is the way that
MS-Kermit (under DOS) does IRQ verification.  My internal modem (and
yours) seems to be very touchy about the way it is initialized.  It
doesn't send it THRE interrupt until the *next* port is probed which
causes the second port to be falsely identified with the interrupt of
the touchy port.

I found that the following patch allows both the touchy port and the
one that follows it to be detected corrected (on my system).  Give
it a try and report your results to Ted.

Rick
-----
*** serial.c.old	Thu Oct  8 21:05:10 1992
--- serial.c	Thu Oct  8 21:02:39 1992
***************
*** 862,867 ****
--- 862,874 ----
  		       UART_MCR + port);
  		outb_p(0x0f,UART_IER + port);	/* enable all intrs */
  	}
+ 	/*
+ 	 * Next, clear the interrupt registers.
+ 	 */
+ 	(void)inb_p(UART_LSR + port);
+ 	(void)inb_p(UART_RX + port);
+ 	(void)inb_p(UART_IIR + port);
+ 	(void)inb_p(UART_MSR + port);
  	timeout = jiffies+2;
  	while (timeout >= jiffies) {
  		if (rs_irq_triggered)


--
Rick Sladkey
jrs@world.std.com
From: burnett@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Andy Burnett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Trident VGA 8900 and X386
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:27:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw5B25.9oo
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers - Construction Eng Research Labs


  I am trying to run X386 with a Trident Tvga8900 video card.  When I run
startx, the screen blanks, the nothing happens.  I am still in the shell, so
I could do a setterm -dump and see what the screen looked like.  All it said
was 'giving up' and then 2 xinit errors.  Could someone with X386 working
with thier Trident send me thier Xconfig file?  If I comment out the chipset
"tvga8900" line, X will run, but it is badly out of synch.  ANy help would
be greatly appreciated.

		&y

BTW - I am on a 486/33 IBM clone.
-- 
Andy Burnett - US Army Corps of Engineers -- Construction Eng. Research Labs
burnett@zorro.cecer.army.mil - burnett@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu
From: opium@hardy.u.washington.edu (Just dance and move your body)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X11v2.1 Screen Saver broken and messing up text restore on exit?
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:47:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct16.054738.18874
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Xfree86v11.2.1 seems to have a broken screen saver ...
If I leave my box for a while, say an hour, then exit X386, the screen doesn't
get propperly restored, this only occurs after the screen saver should have come on: my idea is that there is a screen saver and it is trying to work, but it is broken under Xfree86 whereas it wasnt under x11v1.?   
has anybody else noticed and or fixed this????????
also I was wondering if anybody has got xv working under xfree86v11.2.1, I found an xv-jump program on sunsite but it looked for x11Aw.so.2.0 or something like that anyways....appreciate any suggestions   ;)
From: al198723@next00.mty.itesm.mx (Eugenio Sanchez)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: QUESTION:  How many people use linux?
Keywords: users, Linux
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:09:59 GMT
Reply-To: al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Eugenio Sanchez)
X-Planation: Just a thought...

Beaker writes:
> Just out of curiosity, is there an estimate to the number of people
> running linux in one way or another?

I really dunno, but maybe arl (mantainer of the LINUX mailing channels)  
can give us the number of *really interested* users.

-- Eugenio Sanchez (al198723@next00.mty.itesm.mx)
   Disclaimer: I really don't know what I'm talking about.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ewerlid@pinus.slu.se (Ove Ewerlid)
Subject: Re: X bombing *occationally*
Organization: Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:58:30 GMT


dohm@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dohm) wrote:
> a) it says that no clock exists for the current display mode
 ...
>   each time I run x, it gives a different list of clocks available
 ...


I've also seen this.
The given description fits my problems quite well.

However, it only happens to me if I start X from an 80x25 mode.
I've never observed this very problem when starting X from an 80x60 mode.
E.g. the problem doesn't occur since the dot clock I use (45 Mhz) is always
detected when this mode is used.  I still observe different detected dot
clocks though.

Anyway, this problem seems to be a bit fishy and you may, defacto, already
be starting from X from an 80x60 mode.  If so, why not try 80x25 :-)

Details: Et4000 based 1 Mb video card with a programmable dot clock and
I'm starting up X(free86-1.1) into a 1024x768i mode.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: axi0349@ultb.isc.rit.edu (A.X. Ivasyuk)
Subject: Re: Connecting a terminal to serial port
Originator: axi0349@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:26:54 GMT


In article <6203@pdxgate.UUCP> moyerg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (gary a moyer) writes:
>I'm trying to hook a terminal up to my linux box via a serial line.
>The terminal is a Televideo 955.
>What are the line settings that I need?  I can connect an external
>modem up to the port (ttys1) and cat a file out to it and I can see
>the modem getting the data (i.e. the lights blink).  However, when
>I disconnect that same cable to the back of the terminal I get no
>response on the terminal.  Furthermore a getty on the line also
>does nothing.. :(
>-g.m.
>
>==
>  Gary Moyer
>  moyerg@cs.pdx.edu

If your settings are ok, then what you need is a null modem adapter or cable.
You can't use the same cable that you use for the modem.  My roommate built
one of these cables to hook his PC off my serial port (his hard drive died).
I think you just have to switch pins 2 and 3 on a standard RS232 (if you make
it yourself), but don't quote me on it.  The adapter is cheap anyway.  Get one
at Radio Shack.

-Anatoly
-- 
  Anatoly Ivasyuk @ Computer Science House @ Rochester Institute of Technology
   anatoly@nick.csh.rit.edu || axi0349@ultb.rit.edu || axi0349@ritvax.rit.edu

                  You say you haven't heard of CSH?  You will...
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mvdfd1@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (donald.f.dodier)
Subject: HOW MANY USERS ???????
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:39:34 GMT

I would like to know how many people are using LINUX.

If you use LINUX send me some email with the subject "I USE"
or the body with "I USE".  I will post the results.  Please
mail no later than 10-31-92.
                   ^^^^^^^^

SEND EMAIL TO:		mvdfd1@mvgpk.att.com

SUBJECT: I USE
    or body


Linus thanks for such a GREAT OS.

Don Dodier
mvdfd1@mvgpk.att.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: eyal@echo.canberra.edu.au (Eyal Lebedinsky)
Subject: Q:initial boot/root-image dies after "Free mem:..."
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date:  8 Oct 92 13:17:07 GMT

OK, I am just starting with Linux. The bootimage goes with no apparent
errors, I insert the root and get to the "Free mem:" message (seems
correct, shows about 7Megs) and nothing further is shown. The screen
echoes the keyboard and scrolls nicely, and so do the other virtual
consoles, but that's it. I tries on my other machine with similar
results.
bootimage is 097 rootimage is 097.1

BTW, after the last message the floppy seems to keep reading for a few
seconds before going silent forever.

I tried bootimage 098 with same results (it won't even recognice the
SCSI contoller though).

I read ine FAQ and install.notes and found no help.
From: phil@news.ccutah.edu (Phillip Neiswanger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Is anyone porting Linux?
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:34:28 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Hi,

This has probably been asked many times, but since I've already asked the
386BSD group I'll ask here as well.

I'm wondering if anyone is attempting to port Linux to other
machines/architectures?
--
				phil
				email:	phil@csulx.weber.edu
					phil@icarus.weber.edu
From: mgream@acacia (Matthew Gream)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How to make a swap file?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 23:04:49 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

 (yan@indetech.com) wrote:
: Could someone tell me how to make a swap file, rather than a swap
: partition?
: 
: I can make a 12M swap partition, and use swapon on it, but it is not
: flexible becase I can't change the size easily.
: 
: I wanted to make a swap file, but couldn't find the "mkfile" command,
: and don't know what is equivalent.

Try this, say for example you wanted a 4Meg swap:
# dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap_file bs=1024 count=4096
4096+0 records in
4096+0 records out
# mkswap /swap_file 4096
# swapon /swap_file

I think that should work, I had to do it for someone yesterday, so its
fresh in my mind :-).

--
Matthew Gream --- M.Gream@uts.EDU.AU
Undergrad Computer Systems Engineer, University of Technology, Sydney.
From: gthaker@fergie.dnet.ge.com (Gautam H. Thaker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: only the right button works on a 3 button mouse.
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:12:42 GMT
	<KOLEN-J.92Oct13140340@pons.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: GE Advanced Technology Laboratories

I am running Linux 0.96c with a Amazing Inc. 3 button mouse with
"microsoft" entry in Xconfig turned on.  When I run X only the right mouse
button works. Naturally this makes it hard to use X. I have tried all the
mouse entries in Xconfig, but all except the "microsoft" entry are even
worse.

Any hints welcome.
THanks.

Gautam H. Thaker (gthaker@atl.ge.com) 609-866-6412 (fax x6397. Dialcom 8-777)
GE Adv. Tech. Lab., MS 145-2; Route 38; Moorestown, NJ 08057.  767-4396 (home)
--
Gautam H. Thaker
From: d_smith@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Dylan Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: FS corruption under 0.97pl6
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:55:34 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

: of your RAM. If it is slower than 60ns. I am afraid you need a very big cache.

How big is big? 256k cache? 64k?
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hendrick@rachel.cs.andrews.edu (John Hendrickson)
Subject: Using a ram drive.
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:44:01 GMT

If any one uses a ram drive out there with linux, could they please let me
know what I need to do after I recompile the kernel with the ramdrive option.

I am using kernel version .98p0

Thanks,

Oh, don't worry if you think some one else has already answered, I will 
take as much mail as I can get.  Also, I think this should be added to the
FAQ.

John
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