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Subject: Re: law and for Bob
From: garks@otago.ac.nz
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:11:21 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug12.204809.19562@ruacad.ac.runet.edu>, runderwo@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Robert T. Underwood) writes:
> 
> Hello Rugby world.  I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts,
> opinions, and conjecture about the new law changes.  They go into

(deletions)
  
> Your over-the-hill and over-the-belt prop Bob. 

Well Bob, from what we've seen so far in the test series b/w the ABs and Oz,
and the games in SA the over-rideing emphasis is on 'legal' lifting in the
lineouts.  The days are gone when the popo props did the blocking, now it's in
assisting man to tower over all others.  Additionally in the line-outs there
must be a metre b/w the lines with tapping by the <inside> hand only. 
Apparently this serves the melee at jump time with players drapeing themselves
over each other in obstruction.  Personally I think those rules are excellent
and the line-out is a little more controlled than previously.
  Now the other tactic of note is that which the Ozzies used against us so well
and it centres about the fact that if the player is caught with the ball and
can't release it from the ruck/maul then the ball is turned over.  The Ozzies
would use very long ground winning kicks (regardless if the ball went out or
not) and then the emphasis was on you to either run (and potentially lose the
ball) or kick (with some ground defecit) and return the ball to you via
line-out put in or in-field ball. Also the backs when they do run the ball are
tending to use chip kicks over the defending backs defensive line to run on to
and perhaps enable a turnover for the scrum (from previous rule).
  Without a doubt the game is much faster and the ball appears to be in play
longer, which reminds me that the use of quick tap kicks from an indirect
penalty is also in vogue with Farr-Jones (Oz captain) as your own men may be in
front as long as they don't become involved in the immediate play (rule
interpretation a bit shaky here).  Unfortunaltly for you props you'll be doing
more running and grunting than before, but look on the bright side, you'll lose
the "over-the-belt" and score more tries from the wing position after the 2nd,
3rd, and 4th phase play!! ;)
  As for the SA tactics, simply, they don't have any.  They are a little at
sixes and sevens at the moment (the provincial teams that is, the 'Boks in a
test will be completly different) and their principal schema is generally one
of
destructive as opposed to constructive play.  I'm so surprised that they hav'nt
used their backs much.  There was a wing for Central Provinces or OFS I think
that was the same height and weight as Colin Meads was when the ABs toured
last!!!  Anyway the SAs won't take long to develope some tactics that revolve
around their natural style of play and I prophesize that they will make a clean
sweep of France and England in Sept.
 Sorry this is so long but you did ask!
Al Hay
University of Otago
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Subject: Re: All Blacks vs Springboks
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:48:26 +1200
 <1992Aug18.100402.378@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> <pieter.714227080@ford>
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <pieter.714227080@ford>, pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen) writes:
> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
> 
>>In article <pieter.714069288@ford>, pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen) writes:
>>> O, and then there was the intimidation of Botha by FItzpatrick...
> 
>>Bloody hell here's another of these "your guys are thugs, our guys are angels"
>>merchants. 
> You take the words right out of my fingers. 
> 
>>Explain how it is that Wahl Bartmann was put on a final warning by
>>the referee and Botha was told to get his players to cut out the dirt. Oh - of
>>course I forgot - biased referee, sheeesh.
> Well, actually they were caught. That is the reason. We need better
> coaching here :-)

Good call :-).

Alan
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From: runderwo@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Robert T. Underwood)
Subject: law changes
Organization: Radford University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:48:09 GMT


Hello Rugby world.  I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts,
opinions, and conjecture about the new law changes.  They go into
effect 1 Sept. here in the US.  Have they been in place else where 
(I want to say there was some mention of lineout spacing in some
All Black game postings)?  If so, what do you think?  Have they
changed strategy and tactics, coaching, etc.?
 
I'm not trying to start a flame war, but these are some really big
changes which deserve discussion. 
 
Your over-the-hill and over-the-belt prop Bob. 
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From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Re: All Blacks vs Springboks
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:33:39 GMT

In <1992Aug18.051922.1250@cs.su.oz.au> allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer) writes:

>In article <SAREL.92Aug17221134@ford.ford.ee.up.ac.za> sarel@ford.ford.ee.up.ac.za (Sarel Lugtenburg) writes:
>>played together. We'll see on Saturday what happens when they play
>>your "World Champions".


>	Do the SA rugby public in general sincerely believ that if you beat
>	Aus in a one off test that SA were real contenders for the WC.

Just as much as believing that the All Blacks have won a test "series"
in South Africa...

There's a lot of bull written in the press, and if you believe it all,
you'll probably believe what boxers say to each other at the weigh in
for a prize fight.

On the other hand, if all the bull works out and psychs the Wallabies...

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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Teams for SA vs AUS?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:40:57 GMT

Could someone please post tomorrows teams?

Thanks /Riaan/
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From: sarel@ford.ford.ee.up.ac.za (Sarel Lugtenburg)
Subject: Re: All Blacks vs Springboks
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:11:33
Organization: Department of Electronic and Electrical Engineering

> I only saw the last 20 minutes or so, and all I can say is I wish the
> AllBlack defence had been as poor against Australia. I don't know what
> the Boks are complaining about, it looked at that stage as if MacNeil
> had declared "be kind to a Springbok" day. Looked like the Boks were
> playing with 31 men for the last 20 minutes and they still lost.

Did you perhaps watch the game on Friday - the fully fledged Wallaby
team against a broken down Northern Transvaal team. At least you can't
complain about the ref here (even though he was a South African). Even
Campese himself admits that his one try was a knock-on (BTW the score
was 24-17 for AU. The difference of one goal). In my humble opinion,
the Wallabies were outplayed by Northern Transvaal, and only bad place
kicking cost Northern's the game.

The Springboks were a bit shaky against NZ. It was the first
international for a lot of the players and also the first time they
played together. We'll see on Saturday what happens when they play
your "World Champions".


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Subject: Ranfurly Shield
From: graham@otago.ac.nz
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:46:54 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

For the good of Ranfurly Shield rugby, Auckland should lose it.
Let's hope tomorrow's the day.
GOtago!!!
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From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Re: All Blacks vs Springboks
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:24:04 GMT

In <1992Aug21.173114.3297@otago.ac.nz> garks@otago.ac.nz writes:

>Also thanks very much to Jacot for all the newspaper reports.  You're not one
>of those clever chaps who can type without looking at the keboard are you?

Nope... one finger, without looking at the screen.  Comes from having a
cluttered desk.
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Subject: Re: Where the real rugby is
From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:09:12 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug21.090602.437@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
> All discerning rugby followers in New Zealand are aware that the main game this
> week is between Canterbury and King Country 
> However the majority of the press in this country once again seem to have their
> heads buried in the sand and are more interested in some game between the other
> southern team and 15 individuals up north who play in blue and white jerseys.
> Apparently this game is for some obscure trophy called the Ranfurly Shield and
> features a bunch of guys who have just returned from a holiday in Australia and
> South Africa. Oh well - we always new the press were idiots.
> 
> Alan


   YO!! ALAN!
   You should hear the bloody hype down this end of the island. There was a
supplement with the Otago Daily Times this morning that was talking about the
great Otago Ranfurly Shield days of the late 1940's yet again.  
   And the local commercial radio breakfast host (Hilary Miur-Clarke, mother of
one) is going to Auckland to be the team mascot. I suppose the team take soft
toys of Hilary to the game and rest them against the halfway flag!!
   Despite the derision and cynicism displayed above I hope Otago give the Auks
a good bloody hiding, or at least beat them by ONE  point!!

 Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand.
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From: Nick.Guoth@anu.edu.au (Nick Guoth)
Subject: NSWRL & NSWRU Results
Organization: Research School of Chemistry, ANU
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:45:40 GMT

Hi all!

First, maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen a more blatent exhibition of lifting
than in the Aussie match on Tuesday.

NSWRU:
Southern Districts 21 Randwick 12
Northern Suburbs 30 Drummoyne 11
Gordon 26 Warringah 13
Manly 31 Parramatta 27
Eastwood 19 Eastern Suburbs 13
Western Suburbs 3 Sydney Uni 0

Table: (2 rounds to go)
33 Gordon
30 Randwick
27 Wests
26 Sydney Uni
23 Warringah
22 Easts
20 Eastwood
18 Norths
15 S Dists
12 Manly
11 Parramatta
3 Drummoyne

NSWRL:
Brisbane 12 (W.Carne, A.Cann try; T.Matterson 2 goals)
Penrith 6 (B.Boyd try; A.Leeds goal)

Canterbury 19 (S.Reardon, J.Williams, T.Lamb tries; G.Hill 3 goals, 
E.McGrady field goal)
St George 6 (I.Herron 3 goals)

Manly 14 (D.O'Donnell, C.Hancock tries; M.Ridge 3 goals)
Newcastle 12 (M.Glanville, A.Brunker tries; J.Schuster 2 goals)

Balmain 32 (M.Munro 2, P.Davis, I.McCann, W.Robinson tries; T.Brasher 6 goals)
Souths 26 (J.Serdaris, S.Garlick, M.Thompson, D.Brown tries; E.Crossan 5 goals)

Canberra 38 (B.Mullins 2, M.Meninga, J.Croker, D.Woods, G.Coyne tries; 
D.Furner 7 goals)
Illawarra 2 (R.Wishart goal)

Norths 19 (J.Martin, L.Kiss tries; D.Halligan 5 goals; C.Wilson field goal)
Wests 14 (A.Farrer, T.Hill tries; J.Taylor 3 goals)

Easts 30 (M.Protheroe 2, D.Seidenkamp, J.Orford, N.Gaffey, C.Salvatori tries; 
J.Mathews 3 goals)
Parramatta 6 (B.Kenny try; M.Buettner goal)

Cronulla 14 (G.Coleman, J.McKelleher tries; M.Healey 3 goals)
Gold Coast 12 (W.Bartrim, S.Jackson tries; W.Bartrim 2 goals)

Table: (3 rounds to go)
30 Brisbane
24 StGeorge
23 Newcastle, Illawarra
22 Manly
21 Wests
20 Easts, Penrith
19 Canterbury
18 Canberra, Balmain, Norths
14 Souths
12 Cronulla, Parramatta
8 Gold Coast

Next Week:
Friday:
Brisbane v Manly
Saturday/Sunday: (Sorry, I don't know the Saturday game(s))
StGeorge v Souths
Wests v Canterbury
Easts v Norths
Parramatta v Balmain
Illawarra v Penrith
Cronulla v Canberra
Gold Coast v Newcastle

nick...
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Subject: Re: All Blacks vs Springboks
From: cscdba@otago.ac.nz (Donald Ellis)
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:36:21 +1300
 <1992Aug18.100402.378@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> <pieter.714227080@ford>
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <pieter.714227080@ford>, pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen) writes:
> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
> 
>>In article <pieter.714069288@ford>, pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen) writes:
>>> O, and then there was the intimidation of Botha by FItzpatrick...
> 
>>Bloody hell here's another of these "your guys are thugs, our guys are angels"
>>merchants. 
> You take the words right out of my fingers. 
> 
>>Explain how it is that Wahl Bartmann was put on a final warning by
>>the referee and Botha was told to get his players to cut out the dirt. Oh - of
>>course I forgot - biased referee, sheeesh.
> Well, actually they were caught. That is the reason. We need better
> coaching here :-)
> 

You've got Grizz Wyllie, who else do you need? :-) :-)

Donald
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: All Blacks vs South Africa
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:12:03 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug17.091928.10124@waikato.ac.nz>, higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> Also I was astounded at the utter lack of perception shown by the TVNZ
> commentators at the game. Macbeth said, "and now we'll have a minutes silence
> for victims of the violence in South Africa and for future peace here", and
> then when the whole thing flopped 5-10 seconds later, away we go into the NZ
> national anthem and not a word from Stu or John, oh no. I suppose they wouldn't
> want to cast a pall upon the greatness of the moment, the history of the time.
> I couldn't help thinking what a load of bullshit it all was. 
> 

And what a right couple of pricks they were commentating too. My dead
grandmother could commentate better than them. Bring back Keith Quinn! (Shades
of Bring back Buck here :) The commentating seemed almost out of place, as
though they were watching a different match, that almost seemed to match the
one I saw, but not quite. Everything was said well after it happened. (Perhaps
the voiceover was delayed from the video perhaps? :) I prefer a commentator who
can say what he see's then a there, not 5-10 seconds after it happened and
something else is going on.

Oh yeah. One more thing. I don't thing Sandy has quite got the new rules yet.
He played his whistle like a fool (IMNSHO), and ofetn out of position from what
I saw on the reply's (Didn't see the whole game, was asleep :)


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  Q. If Nuclear Tests are so safe, why don't the French do them under Paris?
From: tratnana@EUREKA-GOLD.WBME.JHU.EDU (Tilak Ratnanather)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: RESULT ????
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:21:36 GMT

What happened in yesterday's game between Australia and Eastern Province????
Come on, after all the Wallabies are World Champions. I know that the All
Blacks are the historic rivals but surely wouldnt the Boks want to have a
crack at these Aussie geniuses!

Tilak Ratnanather
Dept of Otolaryngology, The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
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Subject: Re: All Blacks vs Springboks
From: garks@otago.ac.nz
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:31:14 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand


(some comments deleted about Fitzpatrick molesting Botha)

I thought the reason for Botha wearing shoulder pads was for his 'tackling', I
was wrong its anti-All Black protection.  Pity Z Brooke didnt have some on his
back for the anti-Schmidt knee attack.

>>>Bloody hell here's another of these "your guys are thugs, our guys are angels"
>>>merchants. 

S.A. - where angels fear to tread

>> Well, actually they were caught. That is the reason. We need better
>> coaching here :-)
> 
> Good call :-).
> 
> Alan

I agree, we all know that when Auckland plays against our favourite provincial
team that Fitzpatrick 'pushes the law to the limit' in various ways.

Also thanks very much to Jacot for all the newspaper reports.  You're not one
of those clever chaps who can type without looking at the keboard are you?
Alistair
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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Die Stem
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:23:01 GMT

I am trying to contact someone who is going to be at the Aus Vs SA game
this week.Any one actually going to the game.
Please email me if you will be there.
Thanks allanc

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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Wallabies vs Western Transvaal
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:03:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.031532.1552@cs.uow.edu.au> peterda@cs.uow.edu.au (Peter Donald Asquith) writes:

.......

|I'm tremendously excited about the tours of Sth Africa, but
|I wonder whether Australia is playing too much rep rugby at the 
|moment? Maybe Campo has a point.
|

I tend to agree with Campese. There are too many test matches
the Wallabies have to play this year.

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From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Re: All Blacks vs South Africa
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:39:46 GMT

In <1992Aug17.091928.10124@waikato.ac.nz> higham@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>Interesting to see in that South African newspaper report nothing about the
>disgraceful 1 minute silence planned for the start of the test in memory of the
>deaths in the republic and for future peace.

There were other reports in the same paper about the incident, so you
can blame me for "editorial" bias in choosing to type in one of the
stories that didn't cover this.  Don't blame the papers, blame me for
being lazy...

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From: rose@duncan.cs.utk.edu (John Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Summary of test match?
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:09:20 GMT
Reply-To: rose@duncan.cs.utk.edu (John Rose)
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu


anyone out there with a summary of the aussie/bok match? 

thanks
john
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Subject: Where the real rugby is
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:06:02 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

All discerning rugby followers in New Zealand are aware that the main game this
week is between Canterbury and King Country with the mighty Cantabs trying to
turn around their bad start to the season and once again claim their rightful
position at or near the top of the table whilst King Country are keen to cement
their place in the first division in their first season back. All the portents
are there for a bright game of rugby at Lancaster Park tomorrow in this most
important of clashes.
However the majority of the press in this country once again seem to have their
heads buried in the sand and are more interested in some game between the other
southern team and 15 individuals up north who play in blue and white jerseys.
Apparently this game is for some obscure trophy called the Ranfurly Shield and
features a bunch of guys who have just returned from a holiday in Australia and
South Africa. Oh well - we always new the press were idiots.

Alan
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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: All Blacks vs Springboks
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:33:18 GMT

In article <SAREL.92Aug20003748@ford.ford.ee.up.ac.za> sarel@ford.ford.ee.up.ac.za (Sarel Lugtenburg) writes:
>
>>	Do the SA rugby public in general sincerely believ that if you beat
>>	Aus in a one off test that SA were real contenders for the WC.
>
>Having doubts about your team, uh ?  

No doubts about who will win.NONE what-so-ever.AUSTRALIA.
It was a question that obviously doesn't want to be answered prior to 
the kick off.
I thought a simple yes/no answer would have been fine.
See WE in AUS don't think that Aus will lose,but in the event that the unlikely
happened,we wouldn't take any claim to our title as WC champions too seriously.

See I can answer prior to kick off
We have played nearly 10 months of continuous international rugby,even I
concede that Campese was right.We have played too much.

I think the SA public would be shocked at how well a Fijian side would
play against your heavy and slow forwards.Mainly because of their international
presence in rugby.

>
>Let's see what happens on Saturday before starting with such
>arguments. We might even lose the match :-)

I've scored 100's of tries AFTER the whistle,its before the whistle that
counts.The question was not an arguementitive idea.I thought that some
input from SA would show the rest of Aus what the GENERAL consensus was.

Oh   You will lose the match        36 16 Australia's way.          ;-)

Allanc
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From: steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg)
Subject: SA  AUS]
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:16:34 GMT


Australia clubbed SA 26 3.
Naas Botha is a woman and should be dropped if he does not retire.
I think my 92 year old granny can tackle better than he can.


Well played AUS.

Mike


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From: A22494@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Jerry Bonanno)
Subject: RUGBY MAGAZINE
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Aug 1992 04:37:04 MST

DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE ADDRESS OF A RUGBY MAGAZINE THAT I CAN SUBSCRIBE
TO, I PLAY RUGBY UNION IN ARIZONA

THANKS
JERRY
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