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From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Belladonna
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:30:14 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <Bu6Cxy.J1@well.sf.ca.us> edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein) writes:

>>_Grotus_: Some most annoying staticy sounds, with wailing
>>Indian voices, calms down into another repetitious
>>thundering basenote, but with less distortion, and a more
>>conventional connection to the background melodies and
>>rhtyms (far back there, a sound like bongos?) shifting
>>tonalities in the base note, other faster rhythms come in,
>>and then the vocals "push down at the root, slipping from
>>somewhere"... 
>
>That's "Brown", the title track on their (most excellent) full-length CD.

I heard that one of Grotus' albums is going to be pulled and re-
released, minus some material that violates a few copyrights.  If
_Brown_ is their only album out at the moment, that's the one.
So, if you're Kollektor Skum, go snap up a few copies.  The original
source of this info was someone at Relativity.

Also, I saw Grotus live a coupla weeks back, and they put on a good
solid show.  They've got a real drummer now, and Lars, the short
bald singer does some synchro drumming with him here and there, to
good effect.  They've also got some neat videos (although I think
they repeat some of the footage too much.)  The anti-meat video
they had of cows at the slaughterhouse actually made my stomach
churn, which was more than Consolidate's footage did.  They showed
stuff like cows hanging upside down, having their throats slit, 
and having their bellies slit and their internal organs slide out
in a heap while the cows were still alive.  Then again, I haven't
seen a lot of this kind of stuff, so if you've seen Puppy five times,
maybe you won't care.  

The music was tight, and the sound was good, except the vocals were 
a bit low, and it was hard to make out anything Lars was singing.  I'm 
not really big Grotus fan, but I really enjoyed a few of their songs 
("Brown" was one of them, and I think "Viva Las Vegas" was one of the 
other ones,) and the rest were OK.  I thought they sounded better live
than they did on their _Brown_ album.

I think I saw the guitarist at the Crash Worship show I complained 
about a few messages ago.


-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  "Now is the time on Sprockets when we Lambada!"
              
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage? Confusing, man...
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 05:00:26 GMT

In <1685C12F80.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>In article <JPXkqB2w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>
>genius@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Trevor Cordes) writes:
>>To all you industrial freaks out there on this freaky newsgroup:
>>Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the 4 afformentioned
>>'styles' of music (techno, rave, industrial, garage)?
>techno=electronic dance music
>rave=wimpier techno

I take a slight exception to this:  I'd say it's "housier" techno myself.
Except that there really is no such thing as "rave" music, except that it's
music that DJ's use at Raves, which can range from techno to acid house to
deep house to straight house to burning down house. :-)
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                        Love reads like a bad biography:
               All the names are changed to protect the innocent
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From: kougham@reis64.alleg.edu (Michael Koughhan)
Subject: Re: It's the Prick(I mean the Pope,Yes again!
Keywords: slfjiejosdjfsfjblagghhhhharrgh!
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:25:33 GMT

In article <BuDCu6.J4H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:
> jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) writes:
> 
> >**AND** then calls me a college turd,when anybody
> >with a 4th grade education can tell by the header
> >that I'm not posting from a college!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Obviously you were not accepted at the local Community College.
> 
> Grow up, shit-for-brains.
> 
> --
> Ben Cox
> thoth@uiuc.edu

Good cut. More power to free speech.  But, since you are supporting a  
young Adolf Hitler on the rise, and are obviously (I love that word) a  
backwoods hick who fucks chickens for a living, you must also be a "Homo  
sympathizer" as laughing boy failed to realize that his post automatically  
included him in rec.muc.ind.  By the way, get more inventive with your  
slanderings.  They are utterly boring.  
    BURN, BABY, BURN!

        
                            "All the people are asleep and dreaming..."
From: mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Skoda)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: rec.bill.leeb.die.die.die
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:14:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-cs.2544
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

carruthers@brandonu.ca (Kai'ckul) writes:
> I just heard something that made me angry.  Brave New Waves played a
> track from the new Frontline Assembly album, and followed it with a 
> Bill Leeb quote.  Forgive me if I get this wrong, but this is from 
> memory:
> 
> "My idea of industrial is 6 guys with shaved heads bashing on pieces
>  of metal, with an autopsy film running in the background.  That's
>  totally irrelevant today.  I put on a Non record the other day, and
>  I might just as well have scraped a screwdriver across metal."
> 
>                              -paraphrase of Bill Leeb
> 
> 
> Sean
> carruthers@tkm.BrandonU.ca


	What you have to remember about Bill Leeb, is that in the early 
80's he listened to cab voltaire, einstuerzende neubauten, Kraftwerk, Test
Dept., and all the others. So he defintiely has listened to these older 
industrial bands. He also, much like myself and probably many others, gets
tired rather quickly of "current" music and are always looking for something
newer, different and (or) better. By that comment, he probably meant that 
compared to what's going on today, Non sounds exactly like what it is. 

	In Summation: Leeb has heard alot of old early industrial. He is now
tired of it. He also has stated that industrial music is dead and that in his
frame of reference, industrial music is music that consists of guys banging on
metal and cans. Most of this is taken from my interview with him. He seemed
to express admiration at Test Dept. since they were able to keep time while
banging on all sorts of things, and afterwards their hands would be all tired
and bloody and shot to Hell.

Mike
mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu

Oh, when I ever get around to finishing it up, I'll post the aforementioned
interview...
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From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: Re: LISTEN UP, PEOPLE (read this, please)
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:02:58 GMT

writes:
>I, for one, thought it to be REALLY stupid of some of these "environmenta-
>lists" in the audience who tore up the sod at the World Theatre (Tinley
>Park, IL) and at Alpine Valley (WI) and threw it, along with all
>the trash.  Yeah, real friggin' "save the world" of you guys!
>Why don't you like sit home and watch the highlights of the show on
>MTV or something since that's probably the only reason you were really
>there, to impress your bubble-gum-braces-brigade pre-teen buddies.
>At least there you can trash whatever you want.

probably a definition of yourself.

>BTW, thanks to all those MTV fans who were only there because MTV advertised
>the show.  You were probably the biggest reason that the show sold out
>on thise of us who have actually heard of the other groups other than
>The Red Hot Chili Peppers!

maybe you should have stayed home.

-- 
SdfComm/SysAdm - Stephen M. Jones        (214)436-4622
6o25@sdf.lonestar.org    ..seas.smu.edu!letni!sdf!6o25
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: new Meat Beat Manifesto single
From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:46:22 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <9209031215.aa22186@fscott.sco.COM>, jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic) writes:
> I like this single, but I have to because Meat Beat Manifesto embody
> perfection and therefore anything they do is incredibly wonderful just
> by definition.  I don't think they've ever done anything that I
> haven't liked.  Edge Of No Control is quite motivating and makes me
> want to jump around like a frog on speed.  I think even the fans of
> harder MBM won't be disappointed.
> 
Actually man I was very disappointed

MBM + divas = uh-oh.
From: david@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (David Stimson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: THE ``POPE''
Organization: Zone4
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:08:59 GMT

In article <9UU6W1D@math.fu-berlin.de> chris@borodin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Christopher Cannam) writes:
>
>What a twat.
>
Naw...he just wishes he could GET one. <grin>
Believe it or not, I actually get a kick out of their ridiculous
postings...mind you I think maybe this topic should get back on track
to what this area is for...INDUSTRIAL MUSIC!
 

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From: ericp@netcom.com (Eric Pederson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage?  Confusing, man...
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:38:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep10.200611.6967@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.102813.1409@corax.udac.uu.se> chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:
>>In article <1685C12F80.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>> garage=who gives a sh*it about garage music? try the "alternative" group.
>>
>>Well I certainly don't.  And I don't think the people in the "alternative"
>>group do either.  'Garage' means Ce Ce Peniston, Adeva, Clubland, Cathy Dennis, "Shake Your Head" by Was Not Was.... that kind of stuff.
>
>Get a CLUE!!!
>Garage isn't any of those. Garage is more like Indie. Cathy Dennis, Was Not Was, etc. are
>on major corporate labels and don't play anything remotely close to garage or indie music.
>They are all way too produced and formulaic. 

There's a little bit of confusion here. "Garage" house music is the kind that was made popular
in the Garage club in NY (was it NY or NJ?)  Anyway, as xjam has mentioned, Garage is
not Ce Ce, Cathy D, Adeva or any of those pop-house acts.  I know I'll be corrected
here, but to me, Garage is like Disco-house.  Lots of strings, killer vocals, wailing
Diva type stuff.  Joey Negro does a good UK Garage bit with strings and Casio drum pad
effects.  Mass Order does this soulful Philly Garage music.

Garage house is not garage rock, or indie rock, or any other stuff that teenagers
do in their parent's garages.
-- 
Eric Pederson					(W) 510-210-8890
ericp@netcom.com
From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: A Split Second - Song Identification
Date: 11 Sep 1992 21:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <10SEP92115851@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu>, omf@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu writes...
>I believe there's a song by A Split Second called Bend My Body Armor.
>Does anyone know what album/single this is on?  Also, let me know if
>the album is considered a good one in general....  Thanks! 
> 
>#############################################################################
> 
>               "If you can't lick'em, put 'em on with a big piece of tape."
> 
>Oscar Fowler
>omf@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
The album is titled "....From the Inside" Wax Trax, 1988
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: RE:Re: devious helios
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:12:25 CST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <0efWDIS00WBMM3kAdb@andrew.cmu.edu>, Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> First of all, if Creed is going to do his vocals like he does, I'd
> rather he just skipped them.  If he doesn't really have anything to say,
> the songs are going to stand or fall on the merits of the music.  So
> just make 'em instrumentals.  I'm not bothered by instrumentals, and
> neither will most of his fans, I have a feeling.

FC9.. I agree to your point to some extent, but on the previous albums he used
FC9.. his delayed, distorted vocals as more of an instrument rather than a
FC9.. means of communicating ideas, and some times it did work, while on others
FC9.. it destroyed a perfectly morbid setup by making it sound a merry go round 
FC9.. trip from hell(which can be good but looses impact if it's done on every 
FC9.. other track).

> 
> I didn't say pointless noise, I said pointless guitar noodling.  In my
> mind, there is a difference.  "Lactating Purple" wasn't really textured
> enough to be a noise recording, so I had to judge it on the guitar work.
>  Which, quite frankly, seemed to wander around without going anywhere. 
> The guitar stuff sounded pointless.  The songs on "LP" weren't noisy
> enough to be real soundscapes, but they didn't really have any sort of
> identity as a song either. 

FC9.. like I said before I haven't heard the album so I can't really comment
FC9.. on this
> 
> FInally, the new Helmet smokes.  I had _Strap It On_ before Helmet even
> signed to Interscope, so I'd been looking forward to it for a while. 
> What I love about Helmet is most definately not their lyrics, which I
> pay no attention to.  I love their precision attack on the guitars, and
> the elaborate rhythms.  Page Hamilton doesn't write songs so much as
> string riffs together in a pattern.  I love it.  I think the cleaner
> recording by Wharton Tiers only helped their sound.  _Meantime_ is one
> of the albums of the year.

FC9.. I also posses "Strap it On" and saw them live in Atlantla on that tour
FC9.. I had preordered "Mean Time" but it just wasn't the same, maybe it was 
FC9.. just because I couldn't picture them as a band singing, soloing and being
FC9.. melodic.  I agree that "Meantime" would be a decent album, if I hadn't
FC9.. heard their earlier stuff or seen them live

an offering of love 
from flesh chamber9

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From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: THE POPE HAS SPOKEN,SO CHECK THOSE POSTS!!!
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:14:49 GMT

THE POPE HAS MADE HIS MONTHLY JOURNEY THROUGH 
YOUR HETEROPHOBIC LITTLE GROUP,PREACHING HIS
USUALL PRO-HETERO GOSPEL YOU'VE ALL COME TO
HATE WITH SUCH PASSION,AND WANTED TO LET YOU
ALL KNOW HE HAS POSTED A FEW THINGS THAT BEING
THE HOMO=SYMPATHIZERS YOU ARE PROBABLY(most likely)
WILL HAVE QUITE A FEW THINGS TO RESPOND ABOUT!!

....AND REMEMBER......the only good homo is one thats......
........corn-schucking another one,SO IT KEEPS TWO OFF THE STREETS!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Front 242 Art Show in LA ???
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:13:37 GMT

I was reading Transmission 242 and saw the dates and places for the
upcoming art show by Front 242.  The data for LA was missing.

Can somebody supply that info?  Thanks.

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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J. Exby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Crash Worship Tour Dates
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:30:14 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

bigstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Paschel) writes:

>>mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
>>Crash Worship is going on tour this fall, don't miss them if you're
>>at all into tribal, powerful, live experiences.  These dates have

>Also, don't miss them if your a woman who enjoys being physically and
>verbally assaulted by their "pseudo-jock-shaman" dancers.  What better
>way to enjoy a nice evening out than to have some overgrown frat boy in
>warpaint come up to you, grab your breast, and whisper in your ear, 
>"I want to fuck you long and hard till the pain subsides and the blood
>ebbs..."

well this may be a good warning in general at ANY show, but because
it may have happened to you (or someone you know) don't come off
like this happens at all crashWorship shows.
Looks like it happened once, to a single person, and this article's
"meaning" is talkin like a generalization of crashWorship shows and
the fans that attend them.
As far as I know this hasn't happened at other shows, and  I didnt
see any harassing at the Denver show here a year ago.  I doubt I will
again this year either.
but yeah, be weary of me at a CW show because I just might
get "too frat boy horny".  yeah right.  *sheesh*

>just an observation
>                 --=={{ bigstar@u.washington.edu }}==--

just ONE persons, single occurance observation.
go see the band and make up your own mind folks...

::j
From: collins@socrates.umd.edu (Jim C)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Gunhed video available ("mindphaser")
Keywords: gunhed sale
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:02:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland University College

I have GUNHED (the movie from which the FLA video "mindphaser" is derived).
I am making copies available for $25, check, cash, m.o. This includes postage.
Send your address and $$ to:
	Jim Collins
	5104 Brentford Dr.
	Rockville, MD 20852-2119
Please allow 3-4 weeks, you may get it sooner depending on response.
This covers my costs plus somewhat limited time.
This is second-generation VHS. Your tape will be on Maxell Gold or equiv.
Jim
-- 
        "By practice, even without understanding, it will be made plain; your
body will understand it long before your mind puts words to it. No amount of
understanding without practice will work. It is not necessary that knowledge 
precede experience. Performance will produce knowledge."
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From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: aakhan
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:44:08 GMT

Dear Aakhan...

I dont want metal bands (is Metallica, MegaDeth) cuz I already do have them
Im looking for the harder Industrial Bands..... like Ministry

Thanks anyways

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From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage? Confusing, man...
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:45:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.164422.5038@bradley.bradley.edu>, dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:

|> If you want davE's opinion as to what is what....
|> 
|> Rave (acid house) = medium-speed electronic dance music without vocals,
|> 	heavy on analogue synth textures, samples, and funky digital 
|> 	effects.  Ambient house is similar in philosophy and execution but
|> 	either slower or with no beat at all.
|> 
|> Techno = similar to acid house but generally faster, more repetitive,
|> 	with more emphasis on 'sound riffs' and less on sampling.

Interesting. I always got the idea that "rave" music was the faster,
more energetic (and repetitive ) subset of techno. Just as a point of
reference, what would you call Lords Of Acid? Apotheosis? The band that
does "LSD Is The Bomb" (forgot the name...GREAT song though!).

jds

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From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: LISTEN UP, PEOPLE (read this, please)
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:20:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.180258.18211@sdf.lonestar.org>, 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones) writes:
|> writes:
|> >I, for one, thought it to be REALLY stupid of some of these "environmenta-
|> >lists" in the audience who tore up the sod at the World Theatre (Tinley
|> >Park, IL) and at Alpine Valley (WI) and threw it, along with all
|> >the trash.  Yeah, real friggin' "save the world" of you guys!
|> >Why don't you like sit home and watch the highlights of the show on
|> >MTV or something since that's probably the only reason you were really
|> >there, to impress your bubble-gum-braces-brigade pre-teen buddies.
|> >At least there you can trash whatever you want.
|> 
|> probably a definition of yourself.
|> 
|> >BTW, thanks to all those MTV fans who were only there because MTV advertised
|> >the show.  You were probably the biggest reason that the show sold out
|> >on thise of us who have actually heard of the other groups other than
|> >The Red Hot Chili Peppers!
|> 
|> maybe you should have stayed home.

Hey Stephen. Anyone home? Whether or not you agree with it, the original
post had a point. What was yours? Or did you just feel it was necessary to
remind us all of your existence? 

jds

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                               * Health and knowledge and wealth and power,
Jeff Smith                     * Passion and poems and sex
smith@fl08-g.comm.mot.com      * I wear a smile like a leather glove,
                               * I won't shut my mouth for less.
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From: al162423@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Raul Beristain M. )
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: MINISTRY LYRICS????????????/
Date: 15 Sep 1992 21:12:31 GMT

blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:

>Have any 'Psalm 69' converts made any attempts to decipher the lyrics on
>Al's latest album??? 

yeah, you can get them via anonymous FTP in cs.uwp.edu
in directory /pub/music/lirycs/files

(or something close..)

hope it helps.

>If so, I want the lyrics...also the lyrics to 'Land of Rape & Honey', if 
>anybody has 'em.

Those lyrics are also there.

>Thanks, I appreciate it,

>Christopher


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