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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: How to get mail message length in folder read?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:46:31 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Paul Miller) writes:
>I'm writing an off-line mail/news reader for the Amiga, and I
>would like to know how elm knows how long a mail message is when
>showing folders. I know there is no Lines: field, but is the
>little '--' at the end before the signature standard?
It may sound dumb, but Elm counts them itself.
-- 
========================================================================
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: rob@asimov.uucp (Robert Boucher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: How to include file in letter
Summary: use MIME
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:09:06 GMT
Organization: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Oct11.194423.29039@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.132342.25604@panix.com> kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider) writes:
>>I've looked through the documentation and STILL can't figure it out;
>>how do I send a file from another directory as a piece of mail?  Elm
>>keeps chirping that it can't open these other directories (and even
>>if it could, I still don't "get it").
>>
>If you're typing a letter and want to say, "By the way, here's the file I
>promised to send you:", then it depends what editor you're using to type
>the letter.  In vi, the appropriate command is :r
>

How about just typing:

[include ~/filename application/binary 7bit]

I rather enjoyed the "~*" feature of Nathaniel's mailto to select the
contenttype instead of typing it in...




-- 
Rob

Inet:   boucher%asimov@revcan.rct.ca     "May the source be with you"
Usenet: uunet.ca!revcan!asimov!boucher                            -unknown
From: dave@Cigna.COM (Dave Good)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Stupid .sig tricks
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:24:34 GMT
Organization: Cigna FIRST - Irvine, CA

In article <1992Oct9.033041.10738@candle.uucp> root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian) writes:
>How about making your .signature a named pipe and starting background job
>as part of your login that delivers a new signature every time.
>
>I never did it, but I suppose it could be done.

Tom Christiansen did it (in perl, of course) and posted it to comp.lang.perl
a few months ago.  Not only did it post a different sig each time, but it
could choose from various groups of sigs based on what group you were posting
to.

-- 
David Good                                                  dave@cigna.com

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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: [include file]
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:14:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: chinet.Bw2wC1.7x8
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

Version 2.4 of elm goes a long way toward compatibility with AT&T's PMX
mailers, but it's still not quite there.  Has anyone gotten MIME and
AT&T's products to recognize each other?  It's close but the PMX programs
want to see a "message body" (content-type: text) before any attachments
even if the content-length: is zero.   It pretty much works if you
include some text or a null file before the first [include file ] entry.
Also, I hope errors in the [include file] specifications can be handled
in a friendlier way.  Now it discards the entire mail message and
just briefly flashes a reason before redrawing the main menu screen.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: tom@osf.org (Tom Jordahl)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 aliases under MACH 2.5 (OSF/1)
Keywords: aliases ndbz binary
Organization: Open Software Foundation, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:55:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.165643.16573@ns.network.com> clayh+@MUDLHEAD.NETWORK.COM (Clayton Haapala) writes:
>On this DECstation 5000 (pmax) running MACH 2.5 from CMU, which is pretty close
>to OSF/1, the alias code doesn't open the alias files successfully.  Turns out
>the system libraries object to open calls with "r+b" or "rb" (b is for binary).
>Removing the "b" from the open specifications in lib/ndbz.c makes it work fine.
>
>First system I've seen with THAT problem.

FYI:
OSF/1's fopen() completely ignores a 'b' in the open mode:

[from the fopen man page]

NOTES
     OSF/1 does not distinguish between text and binary files.
     Specifying a value of mode that consists of a r, w, or a
     followed by a b indicates a binary file. OSF/1 ignores the b
     in the value of mode.


-- 
Tom Jordahl                                       Internet: tom@osf.org
Open Software Foundation                          UUCP:   ..!uunet!osf!tom
     "Go that way, *really* fast. If something gets in your way, turn."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: rot@unlisys.IN-Berlin.DE (Robert Rothe)
Subject: < elm2.4pl0: compatcharsets ignored ? >
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:31:35 GMT


# 
charset =  US-ASCII

# list of Character Sets, which are more or less a superset of US-ASCII
# so we know that we can display messages with charset=US-ASCII without
# help of metamail

compatcharsets = ISO-8859-1 ISO-8859-2 ISO-8859-3 ISO-8859-4 ISO-8859-5 ISO-8859-7 ISO-8859-8 ISO-8859-9

when displaying mail with 

 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

in the header, elm uses metamail to display the mail. but shouldn't ?!

(sunOS 4.1.1 / cc)

mfg,
	robert.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: peterm@dtc.hp.com (Sweet Pete)
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:20:45 GMT
Organization: Where No Man Has Gone Before

Further to this, it would be nice if the .signature were appended "silently"
if the signature =  is set in elmrc.  I find it annoying when I fire up the
editor to have my .signature file always there.  It simply clutters up the
message screen.

	Peter
-- 
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Hewlett-Packard Company,
5301 Stevens Creek Blvd, MS 53U/36,    UUCP:   ..!hplabs!hpdtlpm!peterm
Santa Clara, CA 95052-8059             (408) 553 2512
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: How to include file in letter
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:19:07 GMT

n029gg@tamuts.tamu.edu (Adam Roach) writes:

>In article <1992Oct11.132342.25604@panix.com> kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider) writes:
>>I've looked through the documentation and STILL can't figure it out;
>>how do I send a file from another directory as a piece of mail?  Elm
>>keeps chirping that it can't open these other directories (and even
>>if it could, I still don't "get it").
>>
>>For example, I have a file I uploaded, eval.txt, and I want to send
>>it to a friend.  In the funky old mail program, I could easily
>>use a tilde command (tilde r, for example) to include it within the
>>mail as part of my correspondence.  Or there is another command (I
>>forget which one) that just sent the file as a piece of mail _in toto_.
>>But in elm I feel confused by "folders" and all that.  (I understand
>>how to forward pieces of mail; it's the files that make 
>>me run back to the dollar prompt to use the old mail program.)

>It depends on which editor you use to send out your mail. Personally, I
>use vi; to include a file in that, you type :r filename, and it reads it
>right in where the cursor is. (:r ~/eval.txt would be the command you're
>looking for.) There's an equivlent command for emacs, but I don't know what
>it is (It probably involves some 17 contortions of control keystrokes, like
>ctrl-f ctrl-s qn compose ctrl-shift-~N ctrl-meta-WQ or something totally non-
>mneumonic like that...).

The emacs command is whatever you want it to be :-)

The default emacs command to copy a file into the current buffer is:

                      Ctrl-X i ~/eval.txt

You can also use elm to send a file _in toto_ exactly the way you
would with mail:

    elm -s "Subject here in quotes" foo@bar.site.domain < ~/eval.txt
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: os913160@maple.canberra.edu.au (Justin Dorman)
Subject: Re: PCELM301.ZIP replacement for PCELM30.ZIP at garbo.uwasa.fi
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:57:36 GMT

In <1992Jan7.131856.13398@uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:

>From ts Tue Jan  7 15:16:49 1992
>Subject: Re: Upload to garbo.uwasa.fi (pc/incoming) of PCELM301.ZIP
>To: root@atreju.rmi.de (Wolfgang Siebeck)
>Date: Tue, 7 Jan 92 15:16:49 EET
>Cc: garbo-infolist

>> Hello Timo,
>>
>> I have uploaded to pc/incoming:
>>
>> PCELM301.ZIP, replacement for PCELM30.ZIP.
>>
>> Please remove PCELM30.ZIP from the archive. Version 3.01 has fixes for
>> all known bugs, which were reported up to Jan. 1, 1992. This includes
>> the famous "empty mailbox bug", which bothered most users of 3.0.
>>
>> Quoting from the documentation:
>>
>>     PCElm is a mail user agent (UA) with a user interface closely
>>     modeled after the USENET ELM. To avoid confusion, we would like to
>>     mention that PCElm and USENET ELM are *not* related.
>>
>>     PCElm is intended to be used as a drop-in replacement for BM when
>>     using the KA9Q NOS package or as a replacement for mail.exe when
>>     using UUPC. It can also be used for other mailsystems, as all relevant
>>     things for compatibility with MTA's (Message Transfer Agents) are
>>     configurable.
>>
>>     Hilights:
>>     PCElm has a nice user interface, with easy to learn and easy to use
>>     commands. UN*X users will already be familiar with the more important
>>     commands. It can be made to work with just about every mail system
>>     there is for PC's, as PCElm makes no assumptions at all about the
>>     underlying network software. Finally, PCElm is multilingual; you can
>>     make all messages appear in your favorite language. Message files
>>     for English and German currently exist.
>>
>> Thanks for your work for the community,
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>> --
>> /* you are not expected to understand this. */ (From Unix Version 6 source)
>>  siebeck@infoac.rmi.de    Wolfgang Siebeck
>> wsiebeck@rmi.rmi.de       P.O.Box 15 26     Fax: +49+241+47997-77
>>     root@atreju.rmi.de    D-W-5100 Aachen   TTx: 241-4024 BOX
>>

>Thank you Wolfgang.  Your upload is now available as

>68650 Jan 5 00:07 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/mail/pcelm301.zip

>   All the best, Timo

>...................................................................
>Prof. Timo Salmi
>Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous ftp archives 128.214.87.1
>School of Business Studies, University of Vaasa, SF-65101, Finland
>Internet: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Funet: gado::salmi Bitnet: salmi@finfun
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
Subject: Re: Alarm Clock error
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:24:35 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

mdm@kataan.dartmouth.edu (Michael McDaniel) writes:
>If I log in as a user other than root and run elm, after a few
>seconds, I get an Alarm Clock message and elm terminates.  This does
>not happen if I log in as root.  I thought this must be a permissions
>problem,  but I can't find anything amiss.  Any ideas?

>I'm running 2.3.11 under A/UX 3.0.

Try posting in comp.unix.aux. Better yet, read the FAQ there.

Short answer: compile with gcc and use -lbsd.

--
Alexis Rosen   Owner/Sysadmin,
PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC.
alexis@panix.com
{uupsi,cmcl2}!panix!alexis
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: n029gg@tamuts.tamu.edu (Adam Roach)
Subject: Re: Weird "To: " header sent out, why?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:37:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.135226.12633@atlastele.com> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
>When I send mail over a network to another machine my To:
>header looks like this "To: brians%soup.adc.com@adcmail.atlastele.com"
>
>Anyway, it only does it with elm. 
>
>Got any ideas, anyone, anyone?

Well, it appears that your particular setup is made to use
adcmail.atlastelle.com as a gateway... typically, when gateways get
mail with a % in the username, they turn the last one into an @ and
send it on its merry way. Why your host only does it with elm and not
other mailers is probably known only to your site administrator.

--
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Internet: adamr@tamu.edu               |  matters, unless you plan to change
THEnet:   ZEUS::ABR8030                |  the `Hiroshima' decor for your room."
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From: jaenicke@emserver.ee.tu-berlin.de (Lutz Jaenicke)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm2.4PL0 problems on HP-UX 8.07
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:28:27 GMT
Organization: TU-Berlin, Institut fuer Elektrische Maschinen

In article <1992Oct9.154914.19512@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> andy@ian.stx.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.114443.9205@irfu.se>, bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes:
>}
>}I just compiled and installed elm 2.4 on my HP Snake (9000/720) running
>}HP-UX 8.07.  The immediate problems I have observed are:
>}
>}1.  elm -K no longer works in an hpterm X window (it did in elm 2.3 PL11).
>}
>...
>}I am not at all convinced the above necessarily are due to elm2.4 bugs
>}but I would be interested in hearing from other HP-UX users who have already
>}acquired experience with elm2.4 to compare behaviour.
>
>Okay, we're running elm 2.3 PL11 on a 9000/730 running HP-UX 8.07, and
>we can't get the -K option to work for hpterm.  So it may very well be
>something other than 2.4...  Help this helps...

I had the same problem (2.3PL11/710/8.05), which I fixed by commenting out the
"softkey" line, so that neither ON nor OFF is set. Softkeys can be
chosen using the "-K" option, now.

	Lutz
-- 
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Institut fuer Elektrische Maschinen	jaenicke@emapollo.ee.tu-berlin.de
Technische Universitaet Berlin		Tel. (004930)314-24552
Einsteinufer 11, D-1000 Berlin 10 	Fax. (004930)314-21133 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect as elm editor
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:30:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.194653.23098@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Does anyone know if it is possible/feasible to use say WordPerfect
>instead of the "builtin" editor in elm?

Lord Help Us.

>I ask this question because I want to get a medium sized group 
>to use elm, but I don't want to think about having to teach some
>20+ people "vi"; they all know WordPerfect however.

I'd advise against it.  Er, make that HEAVILY advise against it.
First, not everyone knows WordPerfect.  Second, WordPerfect is Evil.
It rots your brain.  Believe me, I have WP 5.1 for Sun.  WordPerfect's
way of setting the terminal type is going to be a major pain.  Above
all, you're going to have to train your users to save the file in
_plain text_ otherwise the mail will just get all munged to hell.
	You're better of training your users to use One Other Editor
besides the Almighty WordPerfect.  They'll be Better People in the end
anyway.  In my case I have regular seminars on vi.  I've taught about
10 people so far in almost 2 months, and it's not bad at all.  You'll
have the good feeling that people are using computing resources wisely,
and not carrying the whole baggage of a word processor just to write
a 5-line e-mail message.

--Dave
[whew, and i thought vi vs. emacs was a religious issue!  :-) ]
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
  "An analogy is like instant coffee: it can wake you up, but it's
  not the real thing"  -- Peter da Silva
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 04:40:57 GMT

In article <Bw3AFC.8LA@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Before making this gripe, I make a caveat: I have not figured out what
>parameters (if any) must be set when installing Elm 2.4 to ensure that
>either (a) new users of Elm are automatically given an elmrc file, or
>(b) that the global elm.rc file is automatically created during
>installation.

Yeah, I know where you're coming from.  That's why I gave my patch
to Syd to expand on the Config.guid.  The Config.guid was an
afterthought, but hopefully will expand to cover all the things that
a new admin needs to know before (and during) the installation of elm.

--Dave
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: How to include file in letter
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:41:51 GMT

kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider) writes:
>I've looked through the documentation and STILL can't figure it out;
>how do I send a file from another directory as a piece of mail?  Elm
>keeps chirping that it can't open these other directories (and even
>if it could, I still don't "get it").

>For example, I have a file I uploaded, eval.txt, and I want to send
>it to a friend.  In the funky old mail program, I could easily
>use a tilde command (tilde r, for example) to include it within the
>mail as part of my correspondence.  Or there is another command (I
>forget which one) that just sent the file as a piece of mail _in toto_.
>But in elm I feel confused by "folders" and all that.  (I understand
>how to forward pieces of mail; it's the files that make 
>me run back to the dollar prompt to use the old mail program.)
Well, it depends on which editor you are using.

If its Elm's built-in text appender (editor=builtin or editor=none)
then your old ~ commands are still there. ~r works just fine.

If the editor is an external editor, then the command to use will
vary based on which editor you are using.  (:r in vi)
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL00
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 aliases and also problem with ispell
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:06:45 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <1992Oct5.130336.6182@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>, by scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons):
> cherny@ibg.colorado.edu (Stacey Cherny) writes:
> 
>>I've just installed Elm 2.4 PL0 and I have a couple of questions about
>>it.
> 
>>(2) On our DECstations, running Ultrix 4.2, after running ispell,
>>single letter Elm commands only take effect after hitting return.
>>This problem does not occur on the RS/6000.  Any ideas?
> 
> Can you reproduce this problem reliably?  I have access to an ultrix
> system 4.2 and *very rarely* saw the problem -- rarely enough that
> it wasn't clear if the problem was elm2.4, ispell, or Ultrix.  Let

	It's probably because ispell is turing off raw mode on the tty
I have patched my elm 2.[34] to reset raw mode again after ispell completes

	Cheers
		mark :)
-- 
Mark Garrett	Internet:  mark@arvak.une.edu.au	Phone: 	+61 66 20 3859
   University of New England, Northern Rivers, Lismore NSW Australia.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: tom@osf.org (Tom Jordahl)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and SYSV-style forwarding
Organization: Open Software Foundation, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:03:05 GMT

In article <Bw64q9.7nK@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> lcz@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (Lee Ziegenhals) writes:
>I have applied patches 1 and 2, and I see that the SYSV-style mail forwarding
>(with the "Forward to ..." string as the first line in the user's mailbox)
>still causes elm 2.4 to respond with "Folder is corrupt!!  I can't read it!!"

Did this work on elm 2.3 pl11? I would think that it did not.  

Elm 2.4 has no support for this feature of system V /bin/mail 
(or binmail or bellmail).

I think you are out of luck.  Why would you need to invoke elm on a 
mail spool file that will not have any mail in it?

>Has anyone else seen this problem, or is it unique to my compilation?  I did
>not receive any response to my previous post.

I don't think many people use this (rather obscure) feature of att mail.
-- 
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Open Software Foundation                          UUCP:   ..!uunet!osf!tom
     "Go that way, *really* fast. If something gets in your way, turn."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: elsn4000@bronto.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Frank Elsner)
Subject: ELM 2.4 PL0 on ftp.zrz.tu-berlin.de
Keywords:  source, documentation, elm 2.4
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:41:49 GMT

Just for the records ...

The complete source and documentation of ELM 2.4 are available from

host          ftp.zrz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.4.50]
directory     ~ftp/pub/mail/ua/elm/2.4
files         elm-2.4.00.tar.Z                 (source)
                      ^^------------------------ current patch level
              elm-2.4-doc.tar.Z                (ducumentation)

Frank Elsner (TUBerlin Postmaster)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: 2.4 so far
From: russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:08:02 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:

>Also, on a totally unrelated note, would it be possible to have
>a global default elmrc file?  I would like to be able to set
>global options for ALL the fields in the elmrc, not just
>compile-time options like shell and editor.  My users get
>confused by a number of defaults, and I'm forced to tell everyone
>how to change it, rather than just editing a global defaults file.
>(Or poking around the code and recompiling it)

I too would like this. In particular I want two slighly different setups
for two different machines. I would rather not have to compile different
versions for each machines when all I want to change is the defaults for
things that are in the .elmrc file.

Cheers, Russell.
-- 
Russell Fulton, Computer Center, University of Auckland, New Zealand.
<rj_fulton@aukuni.ac.nz>
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