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From: dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Nazareth Notes  IndyCars
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:06:12 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

Let's start with the good stuff:

Unser Jr. was the guest speaker at the Winner's 
circle club meeting. When asked about F1 he said
he had been in contact with Frank Williams and
nothing had materialized. He noted that since
he had knowledge of the Mansell/Haas talks, he
placed another call to Frank in order to keep
his name in the running(without telling anyone
about the Mansell/Haas talks). Unser Jr said that
Williams is really not interested in him anyway.
Jr. also said "Right now Frank Williams does not
have any drivers signed" He was talking about Prost
too!
As for Benneton, Jr called the team dishonest. He said
that he had been promised a test and was even fitted
for a seat. After many phone calls Jr. never got
his test with Benneton and at one point he was told
that his services were not needed. Unser was later
offered a contract to drive for Benneton which he
turned down. He said he would not drive for liars
and he felt the team was dishonest.


Mears has his cast off and has his wrist in a brace.
He still has a pin in his wrist and hasn't even been 
doing any fishing.

Nick Fornoro(sp) was the flagman at Flemington
Sat. night. His son Drew won the Midget feature.
Very emotional victory lane with this being the last
chance Dad would be  waving the flags over his sons.

I took a seat in T1 at Flemington for the Supermodifieds
and 50 feet to my left was none other than Super Tex,
A.J. Foyt. We know who the real race fans are!

The Fords seemed to be a bit quicker down the back 
straight at Nazareth. During the Marlboro challenge
this was evidenced by the Tracy/Mario and Emmo/Michael
duels.

It was interesting to see 3 Marlboro cars on the track
at once during Sat. practice.
4-Unser Sr.  4x-Tracy  5-Fittipaldi
Tracy and Fittipaldi were both in Marlboro cars for 
the Challenge race.

Friday's qualifying was interesting as Brayton was the
first car out. He set a new track record on his first
lap, which was bettered on his second(179.218 MPH).
Goodyear was third out. He sent the new mark at
180.032. Michael came out and bettered that on his first
lap. His second lap was faster at 181.435 MPH.
This was being touted as the world record for a one mile
oval. I want to check the record at Dover before I
accept this. I know that Bobby Unser holds the track record
at Dover in an IndyCar, I can't remember the speed though.
Help from the net would be appreciated!

Mario had to drive acroos the grass while exiting the pits
when he encountered a slow moving Johansson on the
pit exit road.


Was Penske using a crude form of spread spectrum 
technology to keep folks from listening in on 
team conversations? It was difficult to follow their
transmissions as the signal seemed to skip between
a couple of different channels. It was not very fast
though. The signal remained on one channel for 15-20
seconds.

Only 11 more weeks till the 24 Hours of Daytona, till
then I'm Dave Reininger  dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu

chasin races (er cutting the grass :)  )
From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:29:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct2.212949.15417
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

>"A little spark, a little coil, a little gas, a little oil, a piece of
>tin and a two foot board, put 'em together and you've got a Ford"
>
>or
>
>"There was an old man and he had a wooden leg, a ride he couldn't steal
>a ride he couldn't beg.  But he got hisself some wire and an old tin
>can, built hisself a Ford and the damn thing ran"
>
>some assorted Ford folklore from the owner
>of two
>-cball-
>

An engine for dad, upholstery for mom, and all sorts of rattles for
the kiddies to play with...
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
From: pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: *** Design Logic Faults ***
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:38:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.175522.3855@darwin.ntu.edu.au> abe@nutmeg.ntu.edu.au  
(Abron Lukitsch) writes:
> Has anyone ever come accross a similar problem to this:
> 
> On the Mitsubishi Magna (early models TM, TN) the electric radiator
> fans switch on when the engine temperature is above a certain level.
> This is controled by a temperature switch... if the temperature 
> switch fails then the fan does not turn on so you drive around for a 
> day and cook your engine...
> Wouldn't it make more sense to have the electric fan running while
> the engine is on rather than when it gets HOT... and have the fan
> stay on if the car is still hot and the engine is off..
> I would rather suffer a flat battery than have to fork out to buy 
> buy a new head if my engine cooks...
> Anyone know if this or any other design faults have been fixed in the 
> newer models?
> 
> Anyone know of any other similar problems in other vehicles?
> 

Most newer cars are designed this way. I always hot wire the fan so when  
the key is on, the fan is on.

Having the fan run when the engine is off (but hot) doesn't do too much  
good because it cools the water in the radiator, but the water pump is not  
operating so the only way for the engine to cool is via convection.

Paul
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal and Schumacher (SPOILER!!)
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:28:09 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 717765407@narbelek, chrisp@cs.uwa.oz.au (chris pudney) writes:

>I'm pretty sure Schumacher was one lap down on Alboretto at that point.

Yes.  Here is the finishing order as given by FOSA:

 1. Mansell	Williams-Renault
 2. Berger	McLaren-Honda		-   37.513
 3. Senna	McLaren-Honda		- 1:08.124
 4. Brundle	Benetton-Ford		- 1 lap
 5. Hakkinen	Lotus-Ford		- 1 lap
 6. Alboreto	Footwork-Honda		- 1 lap
 7. Schumacher	Benetton-Ford		- 2 laps
 8. Boutsen	Ligier-Renault		- 2 laps
 9. de Cesaris	Tyrrell-Ilmor		- 2 laps
10. Suzuki	Footwork-Honda		- 3 laps
11. Naspetti	March-Ilmor		- 3 laps
12. Fittipaldi	Minardi-Lamborghini	- 3 laps
13. Modena	Jordan-Yanaha		- 3 laps
14. Morbidelli	Minardi-Lamborghini	- 3 laps

Lehto was the first nonfinisher; reason for retirement was "cockpit
pierced by Patrese's driveshaft" (!)

(Speaking of which, that was one ugly accident.  A serious error by
Berger, IMHO.)

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Between 20 and 30 percent of the gross national product of the
     United States comes from high energy physics.
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From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:31:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.101534.18562@hasler.ascom.ch>
kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:

--I saw the end of an interview with Max Mosely on Sky News (european nes
--channel) who was commenting on Nigel Mansells move to Indycar. He said
--that he couldn't see why Mansell would want to move to Indycar, as comared
--to F1 it is technically backward and ( I forget his exact words) and des not
--have such close racing as F1, it being more comparable to F3000 ( and
--therefore
--a step down from F1). He compared the move with a star football playermoving
--from a premier league club to a third, or at very best, a second divison
--club.

dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)writes:
-I frankly cannot understand the cloying arrogance displayed by the F1
-worshipers in their beliefs about the role of technology in racing.  Clarly,
-sports have more to do with sociology than technology and in this regar,
-the Formula 1 crowd fails miserably.  If someone needs enlightenment, i's
-F1, NOT IndyCar racing.  I think that the IndyCar folks have a type tha is
-more suitable to close racing and fan interest than F1.  As far as I'm
-concerned, you can have your snotty nosed, closed minded twits; I'll goto
-an IndyCar race ANY day, because at least I can shake the driver's handand
-have an intelligent conversation.  It is a much more pleasant experienc for
-the fan, and ultimately, THE FANS PAY THE BILLS.  I've gone to both rac types
-in the same city on successive years and the IndyCar folks went out of heir
-way to make drivers, team managers, and others available to the fans fo
-close contact.  The F1 guys just whined about how poor the facility wasand
-generally downgraded the city.  You can take F1 and shove it until the
-organizers and movers are willing to act like real human beings.


I always go out to the Cart race here in Portland on Friday and sometime
Saturdays.  I'd rather watch the race on Sunday from the tube.  Fridays
are dynamite.  Admission is free and a pit pass is $10.  The drivers
and crews are fairly relaxed.  If you're into a little bs or an autograph
they usually oblige (hey, I even talked to Mario about his Kawasaki).
I always do lots of photography.  Rahal's crew let me stick my wide
angle mounted on a monopod directly over their car looking down.  Great
shot.  Its really a great time for an incredible price.  F1 used to be
like this.  I got zapped by uncle sam's mean green machine in 1969
and they sent me to Germany.  I was able to see the Nurburgring
and the 70 and 71 F1 Gps at Zandvoort.  At that time they kept the
cars in town and drove or pushed them to the track in the mornings.
You got to run/walk along side them as they went to the track.
Of course you could also get very close to the action.  One year
I walked around the entire outside of the track during the race
and the next year the inside.  Some rally incredible locations.

--Terry
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: gaf@anasazi.com (Guy Finney)
Subject: Re: IMSA Phoenix
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:27:22 GMT

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>...  what's the scuttlebutt
>right now regarding Toyota and Nissan?  I've heard they may
>stay away to protest the fuel controversy.

Well, one Nissan entry is sitting about 3 miles from my house
in a big tent on the dealer's lot.  So, they took the trouble
to come here and make a public show of it.

>Also, I'm assuming the race will be held at PIR, utilizing
>the road course, and not Firebird.

Yes, it's at PIR on the "new" road course.  I've got new in quotes
because it looks remarkably similar to the OLD road course I used
to race on.  It was pretty wimpy then, and I can't imaging GTP cars
doing any real dicing.  Too narrow and slow.  It will be interesting,
though, to see where the transporters are parked.  For oval races
the crew area was the infield, but now they'll be racing on it!
-- 
Guy Finney                                   "Ah, this is obviously some
Anasazi, Phoenix AZ                          new usage of the word 'safe'
gaf@anasazi.com  -or-                        I was previously unaware of".
...!asuvax!anasaz!gaf                            --- Arthur Dent
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:01:23 GMT



   In article <9210061252.AA10733@yngvi.wbst147>
   MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson) writes:

   In article 92Oct6000728@rle-vlsi.mit.edu, lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis
   Miguel Silveira) writes:
   >
   > Wasn't Mosley the second man at FOCA for many many years (even before
   > the FISA-FOCA conflicts of the yearly 80's erupted).

   True, and there was some concern expressed when he ran against Balestre
   that he would simply be "Bernie's man."  My impression (possibly
   mistaken) is that the consensus since his election has been more
   favorable (on this point at least).

   There's no need to invoke conspiracy when convergence of interest is
   sufficient.

Far from invoking conspiracies of any kind, I mereley wanted to state
that due to his longtime relation with Bernie, it was more than normal
than the two of them viewed things from a similar perspective.  I see
nothing wrong with this.  Besides Mosley is up for reelection so if
people did not like him, they could replace him!

Other than that I totally agree with you that:

   Remember, at this level it's *all* about money.

I have no doubts about that...

-Miguel



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From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Warning, r.a.s. reader goes mad.
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:04:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct5.210424.19725
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct5.161417.2817@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>In article <pod.717981859@sour.sw.oz.au> pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) writes:
>>I know this posting is costing the net squillions and all that,
>>but Thos Cohen has just spent $96.50 on Williams G.P. clothing,
>>including, wait for it, $9.50 for "Williams Grand Prix Team" socks.
>
>well i hope that at least it's all fireproof and FIA approved;
>otherwise i'm not sure if the posting is appropriate to r.a.s
>
>cheers,
>  richard
>-- 
>richard welty                            518-393-7228
>welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
>  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
>    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck

No turbos, no nitrous, no wings, I agree, he's outa here!
-- 
Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
dafuller@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: yancm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Eugene Harold Mcnay Ii)
Subject: Racecar Engineering subscr. info here
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 23:32:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Racecar Engineering magazine has been mentioned in a few posts.
I querried one of those posters and got the following subscription
info from Andrew Henry.

I proceeded to subscribe from the US distributor via phone and
credit card. I also requested this years backorders. I got
those by UPS within a week or so. I have yet to get the latest,
but it does have a bit of a ways to travel. 

Anyway, I sure like it. Many exelent pictures of things you
just wouldn't get to see unless you had friends in the buisness.

Of course, I have no connection with this magazine acept as a subscriber.
---------
It's published six times a year. The current issue is volume 2, no 3.
Vol 1 no 3 and Vol 2, nos 1 & 2 are still available as backnumbers.

You can subscribe from the States through:

Eric Waiter Associates, 369 Springfield Ave,
Berkeley Heights, NJ  07922, USA.
Tel (908) 665 7811   Fax (908) 665 7814

Cheques & Money orders are payable to Eric Waiter Associates.  
They can also take Visa, Mastercard, Discover or Amex.  

In US $, the subscription rates are:
                1st Class Post            2nd Class Post
USA             $57.00                          $39.00
Canada & Mexico $75.00                          $49.00

You can also subscribe through the publishers in the UK:

Subscriptions Department,  Q. Editions Ltd, 
33 Banstead Road, Caterham, Surrey, CR3 5QG, UK.
Tel (0883) 341551   Fax (0883) 344397
Cheques are payable to Q. Editions Ltd. They take Visa and Mastercard.

In UK pounds, the subscription rates are:
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From: jbp@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:45:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: rti.1992Sep29.234510.3617
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <Sep29.210620.21641@engr.washington.edu> eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>I feel that Prost is justified in vetoing Senna.  After all, didn't he
>tell the world that he deliberately crashed Prost out in Japan 2 years
>ago?  Too bad for Senna if he can't play F1 politics.. no use whining
>and calling names.  I'd rather have a driver playing politics than a
>driver playing with death on the racetrack.  I hope that Senna sits
>out 1993, because if he doesn't it will get real ugly when he crashes
>into Prost deliberately again.  The way he was talking at the Portugal
>post-race interview sends shivers up my spine.  All he has to do is to
>pull a Berger style "racing accident" to stop Prost.  And I think he
>is low enough to do such a thing too.

This post was the last straw.  See ya' at the race track.....
(Hitting ``u'' now)
-- 
John Posthill  jbp@rti.rti.org
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: SOMEONE PLEASE CLARIFY SENNA/PROST/WILLIAMS etc CONFUSION
Keywords: FORMULA ONE - Confusion on F1 Rumors
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:12:17 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <1992Sep30.072419.4712@cs.su.oz.au> pod@cs.su.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) writes:

>In article <1abb52INNm2q@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong) writes:
>>***  Again it just doesn't add up.  Why should Frank go through all
>>this trouble if he wanted Senna in the first place.  Why did he sign
>>Prost up when in fact he wanted Senna?

>Its odd isn't it?  Maybe Renault have something to do with it.  They may
>be pressuring F.W. into taking on Prost although we've seen in the past
>that F.W. doesn't take that kind of crap from his suppliers.  I also

FW didn't take that crap from Honda re: Nakajima, but being pressured
to take Prost would not be such a blow. Most people still regard him 
in the top 3 (excepting you pod, as I understand Schumacher's high in
your Pantheon ;^) and if Renault helped pay Prost's retained (my hypothesis)
then all to the good.

>Maybe some of this will become clear, but I doubt it.  We're still
>not really sure why Williams lost Honda engines in the first place.
>Was it because F.W. told them to get stuffed re Nakajima or was it
>because Honda didn't trust a quadraplegic to run a team?

Well true, but that was Honda, and the Japanese do handle business 
slightly differently. Plus FW has shown in the last 4 or 5 years that
he can still control the team with a rod of iron. I wonder if Honda
knew what they know now, whether they would have still dropped Williams?

Hey pod, I notice you are still using your old .sig at Basser?
regards,
-- 
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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Racecar Engineering
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:03:55 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

I've just got Racecar Engineering Vol 2 No 4.  Its got a couple
of decent features on Footwork in F1, and Peugeot in the SWC.
There are a couple of shorter articles comparing the Williams
FW11 and FW14B, and on F1 fuel.  

The best article is on racing dampers by Carroll Smith.  It starts
off with the basics and then describes the range of more advanced
dampers.  Apparently Penske and Quantum are going to introduce
'semi-active' dampers in 1993.  The basic versions will allow
some adjustments to be made from the cockpit.  The more advanced
ones will tweak the settings on the car for different corners -

e.g. softer springing and higher ride height for slow corners.

On the other hand, according to Ralph Firman of Van Diemen, one of 
the main advantages of monoshock front suspension in FF1600 is that
it reduces the number of settings that the teams can play with - 
so the drivers concentrate more on their driving.  Adjustable
suspension doesn't always get adjusted properly !

Theres a lot of text, a few pertinent diagrams and some comments like ...

  "When it rains, lots of things happen at once.  
   The single most notable thing is that the driver 
   can't see.  Dampers can't help this."


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:11:35 GMT
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

Let me briefly comment on article <30SEP199212265677@utarlg.uta.edu>,
by b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley).

First, I agree with George's views 100% -- with only a minor difference
of opinion (see next paragraph) -- but including his name calling.  I
really had to restrain myself very hard to not use even stronger language
for those who alledged that Berger intentionally slowed down and went on
to claim that he didn't even stop in the pits.  I find it hard to believe
that anyone could be so mean -- even despite what happend at Suzuka in
1989 and 1990.  But: Has it occurred to any of those who claim that Berger
pulled that move intentionally that he could very well have been on the
receiving end -- in that Patrese could have nudged him in such a way that
Berger would have smashed into the pit wall with horrible consequences?!


Now for my (minor) disagreement in George's post.  He wrote:
|> Furthermore, I'm positive that Berger received a pitboard sign from
|> Mclaren and that pitboard sign was in sight of anyone who had taken the
|> time to look for it.

I consider this unlikely.  I would assume that Berger radioed into the
pits that he wanted to come in.  But: 


|> The Mclaren pits were ready for a pit stop and 
|> anyone with radio contact with Patrese could of told him this.

Yes.  This is a good point!

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