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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Terra (was Re: Team Titans #1's)
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:43:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I was looking through the longjohn shelves (what me and some friends call the
Marvel/DC/Image shelves full of guys in long underwear beating the hell out of 
each other) on my way to pick up my copies of Cerebus, Sandman, and the Ron
Howarth stuff, when I see on the cover of "Team Titans #1", -Terra-.

Back before I became dissillusioned with superhero comics (not because of 
anything innate in them; I just think the quality has dropped. I still look 
through my old Claremont X-men and have a lot of fun, and check out new 
interesting super-type titles (LOTDK and the Ragman miniseries highly impress
me)), I used to read the Teen Titans around the time of the Judas Contract.

Now, at the end of the Judas Contract, Terra has gone completely insane, and
she, in an attempt to smash the Titans, brings several tons of stone on top
of her head. (RIP) Now, the $64,000 questions is, 

WHAT THE HELL IS SHE DOING HEADING UP THIS NEW TITANS GROUP?

1) She's -very- dead, and
2) She was crazy when she died, and hated the titans with a passion.

Now -how- did they manage to bring her back? And does anyone else think that 
this move really screws up the nice, tight storyline of the Judas Contract?


-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Excalibur, LEGION, LotDMite
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:26:57
Organization: csua
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In-reply-to: dani@netcom.com's message of 28 Aug 92 19:00:07 GMT

In article <kzdnmwp.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Seems like a safe bet.  It's a good rule of thumb that when heroes
>start dying at the rate of one per panel, they aren't *seriously*
>dead.  (Especially when there's someone around with reality-altering
>powers.)

Ah, but we only got _confirmation_ that _one_ certain person was dead.
The rest were just shot at, etc.  Granted, the shots probably should
have been fatal, but we didn't see the bodies, so...  The thing that
struck me as odd was hearing the lady, whatser' name who'd had the
premonitions, was OK.  That doesn't seem to me the thing to do if
every one will be resurrected the next issue.

Shannon

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Random Musing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:00:33 GMT

Just reading through Thrasher LS #2, and noticed that the chase bit on page 13 
(they aren't numbered, it's the one after the staple) is very reminiscent of 
the chase scene in Dirty Pair: Affair of Nolandia.  Just felt like mentioning 
that for the r.a.animers out there.
     Dave Van Domelen, bored silly (okay, silliER)
From: v070km6q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug27.174008.1001@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes...

>Open disclaimer, before I even start:  The folks at the big 2 (At least the
>ones making such decisions) are concerned only with the bottom line.  This
>much is clear: they want to make as much money as possible.

Well, you may be right.  If another small-time dealer goes under, maybe there's
always another glutton for punishment to fill his shoes.

>1) Speculators will buy multiple copies of each #1, simply because it's a 
>   new "hot" #1 book.  

Not necessarily.  I bought none.  If it had only had one version, I probably
would have bought two.  They could have gotten a couple of bucks out of me,
but, for people like me, they have shot themselves in the foot. I won't buy
ten, and I won't buy five either, because DC speculations haven't paid off
well, at all, since I got into it.

Actually, Marvels haven't done that well, either.  Maybe I should just hang it
up.  Not! 

>Seems that DC's done okay by Titans fans with this one.

True, but the speculators have good money, too, and I'm arguing that DC
doesn't want to drive *anybody* away.  But people like me are going to
save their money that they might have spent on Team Tiatns until next month.

And if it turns into the next Harbinger, that's life.  You win some, and
you lose some.  I missed Harbinger, too, but I'd never touch it now.

						-- John S.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 15:54:16 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman and X-Men cartoons
 <1992Aug31.172247.10812@tc.fluke.COM> <Btv506.HE2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

In article <Btv506.HE2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and
her Walrus) says:
>
>In article <1992Aug31.172247.10812@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff
>Meyer) writes:
>Probably so.  Faithful readers of rec.arts.sf.starwars know that Hamill is an
>avid comics collector and makes some profit off of selling his collection at
>cons.  This seems to be the reasoning behind his wanting to play comic-book
>characters (he likes 'em).  Why he has this affection for super-*villains*,
>I'm not sure.  Maybe he's afraid of being typecast? :)
>
>The Walrus
>

Nah.  Hamil in his interview for Entertainment Tonight said that he loved
playing the Trickster mainly because he was having fun being insane.
If they came out with an  insane hero (Ambush Bug: The Movie, or perhaps
the Heckler would be more his speed) he'd have more fun with that.  Also,
you must remember, who were you quoting more when Batman (the first
Burton film) came out.  Raise your hands  if you said  Joker.
About the only Batman quote I really heard was "I gotta go to work" and
that was unintentional.

Douglas P. Wojtowicz.

Have you ever danced with the devil by the pale moonlight?


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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman 41: Annotation suggestion
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:03:51 GMT

In <1992Aug31.004225.8800@uwm.edu> grendel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Big Squeegee) writes:

[Details of mind clouding deleted.]

>You fool.  It's the old Jedi mind trick.  If it's gotta be a tribute to 
>anyone, I'd say George Lucas.

It probably goes back further. However, the Star Wars example was the first
one that I thought of too.

>Mark "These aren't the droids you're looking for" Lippert 

Lance "These aren't the droids we're looking for" Smith
--
 Lance "Billy-Fish" Smith  | "Let me have players about me that are fat;
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Slow-footed men and such as sleep o' nights;
   "A dead mouse has no    |  Yond' Henderson has a lean and speedy look; 
    entertainment value"   |  He steals too much: such players are dangerous." 
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: What do these people do ..... ?
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:11:01 GMT

In article <9223905.4775@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes:

>	1) Writer

Important here is 0), Editor, who is often involved at this stage.  Writer sets 
out the plot of the comic.  This may be anything from an outline to a full 
script that lists the layout of each page, describes each panel, and says what
the words in that panel should be.

In the case of writers who do "mere" outlines, the *usual* practice is for the
drawn pages to be returned to the writer, who will then write the dialogue for
each panel.  This used to be the practice of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby at Marvel,
for example; Stan would give Jack a general description of what should happen in
each issue, and Jack would fill in the details and give it back for Stan to
script.

Sometimes, though, there is a 1a), Scripter, who writes the actual dialog and
captions, either before or after the art is drawn.


>	2) Penciller

Does the first layer of the art.  This can be anything from rough sketches to
detailed drawings that the inker needs only to trace.

>	3) Inker

Puts down the black lines that actually get printed.

>	4) Letterer

After the story is both drawn *and* scripted, makes word balloons and captions.
This can be a high art form, as in CEREBUS or SANDMAN.  It is also worth noting
that some letterers (especially when they're also the penciller-inker) letter 
right on the page, some on a copy, and some on separate paper which they then
cut and paste onto the art page (or a copy).

>	5) Colorist

Well, that's pretty clear, innit?  Takes the b&w page and adds color to it.  
This is more of an art than it seems at first blush, btw, since it involves an
intimate knowledge of what the separations and the printing process will *do* to
the colors once they're done with it.



		The Pavlov dog and the Schroedinger cat
		Side by side in my forebrain sat
		With Shakespeare's monkey's crowding in behind. . .
		. . . it's all in your mind.
			-- Visual Purple

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Batman cartoon info
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:49:05 GMT

driskill%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hank Driskill, GSH3D) writes:
>In article <rdippold.715026520@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>>>>"Downtown" Julie Brown   Zatanna
>>
>>>Huh???  While I don't mind the inclusion of other non-Batman related
>>
>>>Even if its a typo and its the other Julie Brown it still doesn't fit!
>>
>>"Oh my gawwwd, this whole Joker business is just rilly, rilly, warped,
>>you know?"

>Wrong Julie Brown... Julie Brown the comedian is the redhead you're thinking
>of, "Downtown" Julie Brown is an MTV VeeJay (black lady, used to be a dancer,
>VERY different than the comedian).

No no, I was responding to the "Even if... its the other Julie Brown."
That's why I saved those lines.
-- 
You can't kiss a girl unexpectedly - only sooner than she thought you would.
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Good Week Reviews, 8/22/92: THE SANDMAN 42/Brief Lives 2
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:22:38 GMT

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

>Nonetheless, a great deal occurs.  A new minor character,
>Mervyn, is introduced (he looks vaguely familiar -- can anyone place
>him?).  

You mean, besides Jack Pumpkinhead?  :-)

Tim Lynch
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: DC is now #3
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 09:11:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.031320.17157@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
>
>I have heard that Malibu comics now has the second largest comic market share,
>passing DC.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?
>
>Charles GIbbs

This is also what my local store owner has said.  I have no idea if it's true or
not.

The Walrus
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cerebus Summary Wanted (just M&D) <SPOILERS!!>
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:28:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Sep3.162813.25716
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep3.015615.21050@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>
{Dave missed 1-10 of M&D, and can't find back issues]

Well, a LOT has happened in these last 10 issues.

>           The evil Watcher (who is he, and is he the one Cerebus met?)

"Evil"?  Maybe, maybe not.  Each Judge (not Watcher) claims the other one
to be evil, which makes us doubt the accuracy of the "unmourned and unloved"
prediction made by one of them.

>           The "other" elf

Same as the fake elf from C&S.  I think.

>           Who the chess-playing aardvark purports to be

Suenteus Po, a.k.a. The Third Aardvark.  He seems to be the real thing.
BTW, Cirin is definitely the Second Aardvark.

>           What Roach is calling himself now (Punisheroach?)

Yup.  See, ALL of the Roaches now co-exist in the same mind, and they
remember EVERYTHING that happened to each one of them.

>           Who the large glowing nude is

Mmm?  I haven't seen #161 yet.

>           Why the sequence is called "Mothers and Daughters"

The entire 50-issue arch is called M&D.  Why, I don't know yet.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:51:42 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III):
>>>MM and Mike Moran may share the same mind,
>
>>No, they only share memories...
>>
>>Their personalities are so different that they think of each other as
>>different people.
>
>This is confirmed by the difference between the two versions of Bates.

	I'm still going to stick by my belief that it is the memories and
experiences that make the individual, and that it is the brain chemistry that
governs reactions and such. Bates presents a very interesting case, but I 
think that it supports my approach to this question.

	1) We saw that "good Johnny" (GJ) had mental conversations with
"bad Johnny", but in no other Miracle Person have we seen anything like
this. It seems to me like a good candidate for a split personality disorder
not really being two different people.

	I'm sure we can come up for a variety of reasons for Johnny Bates
to split, but his adult body has, in addition to whatever MiracleBrain
chemistry, also has all adult hormones, etc., which certainly contribute
to personality.

	It would have been interesting if extended use (~25 years) of 
miraclebodies led to some chemical imbalance that caused insanity, since
that deadline has just been reached in the silver age. Of course, Moore
let us know that it was almost certainly the fact that Johnny grew up
alone as a MiracleMan that gave him his grim worldview.


--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: DC Implosion
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:34:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.001742.16774@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>In article <BtK26r.CF1@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:

>>Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt
>Ditto with this one. Looks pretty lame anyway.

This book is a great example of how a horrible colorist can annihilate
good line work.  I saw a xerox of this before it came out and the
artwork was absolutely stunning.  Then it got colored.  Of course it
would have helped if they'd had a story to tell :^)

>>The Demon
>Will probably survive. Don't know why, but it will.   

Well, aside from the fact that it's great fun and has the best letter
col in comics, it's selling very well.  It may play out, but I think
it's hilarious.

>>The Heckler
>Dead meat as well. Again, no firm proof, just a hunch.>

Think you may be wrong here, I think it's silly, but it'll probably make.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"What is the sound of one mind chewing?"
   --- Cud
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................

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From: das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op))
Subject: First mini-series (WAS: Re: Krypton's moons? )
Organization: Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.143021.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu> carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:
>According to the 1981 "Superman presents the Krypton Chronicles" miniseries
>(the first miniseries ever, like that did anything for it's value) the two
>moons of Krypton are identified as:

Just a note: Krypton Chronicles was not the first miniseries. That honor
goes to the similarly themed "World of Krypton" (not Byrne's version).  It
ran 3 issues  and detailed Jor-El's life story.

Marvel's first mini was Contest of Champions, followed by Wolverine and
Hercules.

--
 "If I speak, I am condemned.		David Stumme 
  If I stay silent, I am DAMNED!"	das@sunsrvr1.cci.com
      -- Jean Valjean a.k.a. "24601" 	das1417@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
         "Who am I?", Les Miserables 	D.STUMME @ GEnie
From: steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainmet (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:37:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <1992Sep1.160502.7376@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:

>>   Of course, art which strives to do NOTHING more than entertain is rarely
>> great either, although it does sometimes manage...

>It's never great.  It's mind candy, and nothing more.  You can have mighty
>chewy mind candy, but candy it still is.  And I don't know about you, but
>I'd like to have the mental equivalent of a garden salad or Satay beef
>every once in a while.

I don't know...  I'd actually agreed with you when I started writing the post,
but then I realized that I could think of some exceptions.

  The _Odyssey_ and _Iliad_ are almost entirely written for entertainment.
And there are other exceptions--a lot of Shakespeare's comedies don't
really have much of an ulterior point.  P.G. Wodehouse has been called
one of the great English writers of the century, and I defy anyone to find
a message in his work.  As far as comics go, I can't think of any that fit
the above criteria (great & no point), although I suppose some of the _Spirit_
tales might count.  _The Billiard Table Murders_ count, I guess (by Glen
Baxter).

Gavin Steyn
steyn@cs.rochester.edu
"So he's had the lifelong ambition of reversing the polarity of the earth?"
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: HECKLER a Mini-Series?
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:11:21 GMT

intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:

>Well, as far as I hear it from my dealer, HECKLER has been cancelled along 
>with AQUAMAN, JUSTICE SOCIETY, GL: MOSAIC and others I may be forgetting.

I was actually going to check it out but I guess I wont
now. I can't stand small series that weren't meant to
be small series. Better to save my money anyway.

>So... if it wasn't a miniseries before -- IT IS NOW!
>BWAAAAH-hahahahah!

They SHOULD have made it a miniseries first. The character
was totally untested unless I'm mistaken.

Jed
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:19:23 GMT

In article <6ehi02BS20am01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.214534.29908@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
> >In article <lsmith.715462000@milli>, lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
> 
> >> Informed sources now say that this rumor is true. Alan Moore will write
> >> one issue of Spawn. ("But he compared Image comics to crack cocaine!" I cry.)
> >> Further, Neil Gaiman will also write one issue of Spawn.
> 
> >This must be the first time a USENET post leaves me speechless.  I really
> >don't know what to say.
> 
> Everyone has been complaining about how badly written Image comics are.
> Now that Image is doing something about it, we should be hearing cheers
> of joy. Right?

Imagine this.  Someone tells you that:
- There is a new POLICE ACADEMY movie.
- Stanley Kubrick is the director.

It's (potentially) a Good Thing, but it's the last thing you'd expect from
Kubrick.  Shocking.

Same with SPAWN.  After Moore's posturing for the last couple of years
about not returning to superhero comics, I find it very surprising that
he would do something like this.  And from what I've seen of Gaiman's
comics work, working on SPAWN would be quite a departure.

Today I'm picking up an issue of SPAWN.  Yes, I know, I'm falling for it.
But I'm curious to see what impelled Gaiman and Moore to write for SPAWN,
other than explicit photograps with an inflatable Kitty Pride doll.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:1858 rec.arts.comics.xbooks:478
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Subject: Re: XMen and Batman cartoon info
From: <CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 30 Aug 1992 23:42:53 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

The X-men The Animated Series comic book will be released in either
September or October.  It will be the comic adaption of the cartoons.
An article I read claimed that even Bishop would be included and that
the book would soon have relevence in the other Xbooks but after
reading the descriptions of the first few episodes, I don't see how
that will be possible.  Colossus not a member of the group?
   Cartoons and tv adaptions are usually a disappointment but this
one has promise.  I'll enjoy Sabretooth and Magneto appearances.
You have to admit the stories appear to be of higher quality than
Marvel's previous cartoons.  If there are any good Marvel cartoons
out there that I have missed please let me know.  If not, I'll be
optimistically awaiting the X-Men cartoons.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:1765 rec.arts.comics.strips:2518
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Nina Paley Mondo Update
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:19:34
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Joyride
In-reply-to: pautler@ils.nwu.edu's message of Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:46:27 GMT

> It may not be available anymore, but at one time _Joyride_ was
> collected into book form. . . . Call information for Radio
> Ranch Comics, I believe, in Champaign, IL and see if they have
> any still on hand.

=o= Wow, it would be cool if there were still some available.
Maybe I can get Nina to pick up a copy for me (she's in Urbana
this week).  Of course, I've already read the strips and had
Nina explain all the Champaign/Urbana in-jokes to me. :-)

=o= A few lucky folks in Champaign and Urbana have the *real*
collector's item:  A _History_of_the_North_Pole_ mini-comic.
This is Nina's first published work.  Put 'em in mylar bags,
folks, they'll be worth millions someday!
    <_Jym_>
				"If you don't get a good night
				kiss, you get Kafka dreams."
				    -- Hobbes

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