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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: More Barrettry
Distribution: world
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:54:01 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

on-the-phosphor, on a small planet in an obscure arm of a medium sized
galaxy.......     

The networks hums across the planet, full of bits headed toward the Finkel
and other byte buckets, because the name "Marc Barrett" appears in the from
address....

Another Barrett, Dan, lets loose a flood of "I am NOT Marc Barrett!"
messages, and dozens of responses, full  of ill-cheer, speed their way
across he surface of the planet, decrying the latest Marc Barrett posting.

Me, I'm wondering if Marc might not be a descendant of P.D.Q. Bach..... I
almost look FORWARD to new Marc Barret posts, just to see what new depths
he's reached.  The latest, with the "what a -real- multimedia computer is"
is silly  Philips, under the brand names "Magnavox" and "Headstart" or
Head-something, USED to sell IBM PC compatibles, USED to.  Philips even had
a CD-ROM drive built into its machines, many months ago.  But Philips
pulled out of not only IBM PC compatibles with CD-ROM drives built in, but
the entire IBM PC compatible computer market!  Philips just couldn't
compete with the rest of the companies producing MS-D/Microsoft
Windows/OS/2 computers, and dropped completely out of the market.  Philips
still makes CD-ROM drives -- after all, Philips invented the things with
Sony! --, and makes CD-I machines, which are NOT using a 32 bit
microprocessor (the chip is a 16 bit chip they're using). 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:12:49 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <1992Dec16.162132.1883@msus1.msus.edu> <1gonpeINNcmv@mozz.unh.edu>,<BzM5BH.A0y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <BzM5BH.A0y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>
>>	True, but in a few days Origin will be releasing Ultima Underworld II.
>>   So Dan's stick is going to become a super turbo stick. :)  Anyways, I saw
>
>Did you say "Origin"?  The company which is reported to be porting everything
>they've ever (I exaggerate) written to the Amiga?
>
>>'>          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
>>'>  ----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>>'>      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
>>'>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Why is my name here???....I had nothing to in this post..
please be more careful...I get enough flak w/o being misquoted.. :)


>-- 
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>Jake Rose               :: Two men look out through the same bars.
>jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ::                     One sees mud, and one the stars.
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Screeeemmmmmin fast 4000/040..YEEEEEEHA!!          X-ASOCC (CBM Blew that one)
          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:07:19 PST
 <1992Dec22.153227.19928@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <jbickers.0m02@templar.actrix.gen.nz> <1992Dec24.020213.23061@usl.edu>
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec24.020213.23061@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):
> In article <jbickers.0m02@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

> >    What worthwhile PC OS has programs with consistent user
> >    interfaces?
> 
> Windows and OS/2 seem to do this pretty well.  Hmm, that was _too easy_.

    Maybe you have to close your eyes when you look at them. I've used
    a number of PD/shareware OS/2 programs since I got an OS/2 machine
    at work, and they do NOT have consistent user interfaces.

    Some run in text mode, some run in graphics mode. Some have menus,
    some don't. Those that have file requesters at all seem to use
    different ones (with the exception of the OS itself). And so on.

> >    Also, with Snap or PowerSnap, it is easy to cut and paste from one
> >    application to another. God knows how you do it under Windows or
> >    OS/2.
> 
> Well, I'm God, and I'll tell you: it's called a CLIPBOARD. oooOOOOoooohh!
> With OS/2, I can cut and paste between ANY OS/2, Windows, or DOS 
> program (even windowed ones)  I think it is pretty neat.

    I'll have to investigate this because it is a very useful thing to
    have. Many text mode programs (including DOS sessions) disable the
    mouse, so I assumed that it wasn't possible to snap/paste in those
    screens.

> >    The Amiga has better GUI performance than most systems mentioned
> >    here, except maybe the Archimedes.

> That depends on the hardware lergely, does it not?  I'd bet a mega
> Gateway 486/66 with a LocalBus video of ATI Graphics Ultra Pro would

    Given comparable hardware, Workbench will outperform the OS/2
    thing. If an A500 outperforms a '386 at window updates, then a
    suitably beefed up Amiga will also outperform a '486. Even if the
    update speed is the same, or close enough for the difference to be
    negligible, the Amiga will be burning less CPU time to get that
    performance.

    This is as much a software thing as a hardware thing. The slowest
    Amiga window updates I have ever seen came, funnily enough, from
    a Microsoft product, AmigaBASIC. We've already seen PC advocates
    blabber about how window refreshing is best done the SLOW_REFRESH
    way.

> Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:50:24 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.141933.12660@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <Bz87u8.9vt@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>In article <Bz5wFs.BMn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>> Who cares?  Who really gives a flying FIG if a computer that costs half
>>> as much for the processor/video card/sound
>>> card/motherboard/case/keyboard etc. needs more RAM and more hard disk
>>> space?
>>
>>Half as much? You can get a perfectly good Amiga just for the money you spent
>>on your RAM. If you can sell me everything but the RAM for less than an Amiga
>>600 I'll buy it: I'm trying to put together a second UNIX box for hacking BSD
>>on.
>
>Yeah, and I could sell all my comics and get an Amiga600 to hook upto
>my TV, BUT I'M NOT.

That's just because you still need your comic books.  When you start 
growing up, you'll feel more need for the Amiga.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:09:20 GMT

In article <BzM5BH.A0y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>
>>	True, but in a few days Origin will be releasing Ultima Underworld II.
>>   So Dan's stick is going to become a super turbo stick. :)  Anyways, I saw
>
>Did you say "Origin"?  The company which is reported to be porting everything
>they've ever (I exaggerate) written to the Amiga?

maybe not anymore....

But in any case, Ultima Underworld II won't be out until January it would SEEM.

>Jake Rose               :: Two men look out through the same bars.
>jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ::                     One sees mud, and one the stars.
--
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:02:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Dec31.010205.29073
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <jbickers.0m7o@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Dec28.000513.1305@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):
>> John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
>> :
>    you refuse to admit so. Your bald-faced lie about it being able
>    to run the apps of today is just sinking you deeper into your web
>    of self-deceit.                                          ^^^^^^^
        ^^^^^^^^^^^
>> meant to show that it was a stupid argument.  You seem to be the only one
>> who didn't get it.

Wow,I haven't seen flames this good ever since Paula whined about female
bimbos in computer ads!

>> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
>*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: John.Carver@launchpad.unc.edu (John Carver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:55:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1993Jan3.185526.14646
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


I just saw, at a major computer store, a 486/33 machine from a major clone
vendor advertized for $999.  This $999 price *inluded* a 15 inch monitor,
SVGA graphics in 1024x768x8, and a 2400 modem.

Alas I think there is no way Commodore can compete with that.  Even
though Commodore clearly has a better, more powerful system, quality
does *not* sell computers.  Price sells computers.

I thought 486s would bottom out at about $1500, but they appear to have
kept on falling in price.  Wonder where it will stop?  Although I find
the working environments on clones unbearably primitive, you have to
admit that a 486/33 is a lot of CPU horsepower for $999 *with* monitor.

  John


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From: monster@mbear.apana.org.au (Martin Ozolins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
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In article <1992Dec27.202755.28765@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
> :
> :> It's all a matter of definition, isn't it?  The think I find annoying is that
> :> you think that *your* definition is the only one that matters.
> :
> :     I think to you it IS just a matter of definition. The extent to
> :     which you shift your choice of definitions around is what makes
> :     your arguments a waste of time.
> :
> 
> No offense, but I'll take a textbook definition over yours any day :-P

And after a Text book definition was quoted for your benefit, you went away
for a few weeks and gave us peace and quiet.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Datalog Consulting, Tucson, AZ
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 17:11:11 GMT

benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber) writes:

> (Paul Prescod) writes:
> >If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
> >"computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.
> >
> >An A500/A600 is a toy.
> 
> [ deletia ]
> 
> My neighbors bought a $3000 PC system so they could write occasional letters
> to their Aunt Matilda...THAT makes sense?
> 
> 						Ben Weber
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Amiga 500 - 120 Meg HD - 44 Meg Sysquest - 9 Meg RAM - Detached keyboard
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

 
Oh, yeah...kinda like buying a '93 'Vette for Granny to go to the 
store...  :)
 
I see from your list of peripherals, you *do* have a sensible system, as 
do most everone with an Amiga - the PeeCee Clown owners will learn...NOT!

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:22:44 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.222921.29271@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> 8-bit images at once."  I was flamed out of the thread.  Now they're talking
> about how *screens* alleviate palette-overlap problems.

    They don't "alleviate" these problems, they avoid them altogether.
    Magnificent!

> It's funny how Amigoids love to assume that "Only Amiga Makes It Possible".

    It happens to be true.

> I routinely run several command line sessions, a game, and the Windows
> (or OS/2) desktop, each in its own screen on a PC with VGA.

    I thought you ran UNIX on your PC. You said something about that
    being the best way to get decent 32-bit performance.

    And are you now saying screens are a Good Thing? Why don't you run
    all these things on the same screen?

> Actually, I'd be hard pressed to find a 640x200 4-color Windows screen to
> compare with an Amiga.

    That's exactly right, and of course also applies to the other
    resolutions for Workbench supported on the recent Amigas.

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 31 Dec 1992 00:45:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>Geese... and I'll bet the new AGA games, flight simulators, entertainment,
'>and multimedia software are going to be killer.  Amiga and PC are going

	Yeah, but I don't want to wait years for those killer AGA games to
   come out, IF at all.  I look around and see software companies dropping
   Amiga support, not becoming active.

'>to be parting ways, big time.  The VESA local bus... fast VGA... what
'>are they good for?   They are new and it will not be like AGA where 
'>there is a standard base machine for games/entertainment software to
'>be written for.  ...24-bit gfx, what are you going to do with it on the

	I don't see the A1200 as being the standard base machine, I see the
   A600 as being that, and it doesn't have AGA.  

'>I have to get a PC, but I'm uneasy about it even with a $2000 486DX.  I
'>think what I might to is just buy the cheapest used 386sx clone I can
'>find and then take a wait and see.  I just really don't need a 486.  I'd
'>like to see the CD-ROM Amigas and the Quad Sync monitors which I hope 
'>have composit input.

	You usually advocate the Amiga, so I assume you have one.  Why don't
   you get a bridge board or some other 3rd party PC card for your Amiga? 
   That sounds like a better alternative for you.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>                                    NCW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 01:44:01 GMT

In <38092@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:

>In article <1i74VB2w164w@admiral.uucp> andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio) writes:
>>andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>Whew! Never thought I'd see a CBM'er let Marc have it. And boy did you. 

>Well, I'm not with CBM any more (though I do occasional consulting
>for them) so I can speak my mind a bit more.  Marc is certainly
>a waste of time;  every once in a while I take him out of my kill
>file.

And isn't it satisfying "killing" him again, having scorched him ;-)

>>What amazes me is that Marc has stayed on this long. I mean, I saw the 

>I don't think you can count him as 'here'.   ...

I'd always thought Marc was an AI project (that's Artificial
Ignorance) at ISU. I'd rate it as a success. I bet it even
has government support, and certainly deserves it since so
many governments are benefitting from the fruits of the
project in soooo many different policy areas.

:-) for the humour-impaired.

What the AI project does is play politics; cast doubts,
denegrate anything that's new for not being the same as the
old thing, and criticise because the Amiga is not a Cray
Y-MP with an SGI front end with 4GB of RAM and 4 terabytes
of SCSI-2-FAST RAID disk, running in a 2kg laptop powered by
solar cells, with a 16 billion colour 10000 * 10000 pixel
LCD display, and selling for $300. Not forgetting that is
has to run all his old games which he picked out of the
remainder bin at the computer store, for $2 each.

And I hope that I didn't reveal any of CBM's furture plans
for the Amiga ;-)
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From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:55:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <BzqvGB.3Ht@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
> Again, what is the point?  Your own posting indicates that QT only BEGINS
> to provide entry-level animation (30 fps 320x240 ... w-o-w) on the top
> of the line macintoshes?  It is quite pitiful, actually.
> 
> In other words, whatever it does, it needs to do less of it, because
> the underlying graphics a5rchitecture is antiquated and slow.  The
> QT facility fails to provide adequate animation on even the average mac
> and it is a statement about how little the Mac can accomplish in 
> real-time work.

If QuickTime were the only means of providing animation on a Mac,  I'd 
agree with you.  If the Amiga had software remotely approaching what QT's 
doing that was running faster than QT on a Mac, I'd agree with you.   It's 
not, and it doesn't.

> Just the fact that an 8 MHz 68000-based machine can do better
> at all that your $10,000 Quadra says it all.  And they call the
> Mac a GRAPHICALLY-ORIENTED MACHINE?

No, it doesn't do better than the Quadra.  You're taking two entirely 
different situations and comparing them.  Show me an Amiga that can do 640 
x 480 8-bit video animations at 30 fps when updating every pixel on every 
frame.  This requires a memory bandwidth of over 9 MB/sec.  It's my 
understanding that the A4000's (the top of the line Amiga) bandwidth into 
chip memory is only 7 MB/sec, so it couldn't do this due to hardware 
limitations.

> And why don't we stop talking about Quadras?  It's always
> mind-boggling the number of times PC & MAC fanatics want to compare
> the animation capabilies of their QUADRAS and 486's to an Amiga 600!
> Notice they NEVER allow a 4000 (the flagship amiga) to enter the fray!
> 
> Hey one of you 4000 owners... how fast can you animate 640x480x8?

Yes, what actually is the bandwidth into the A4000's video memory?  If 
it's not at least 9 MB/sec., the A4000 can't animate 640x480x8 at 30 fps.

- Dale Adams
From: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:52:16 GMT
Reply-To: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec22.174758.22891@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that there is *no way* to write
>directly to the disk sectors under OS/2, except from a device driver.  Also,
>although an OS/2 program can freely erase important files from the (local)
>disk, the really crucial stuff (kernel, shared libs, drivers) is still
>protected agaomst modification and erasure.

So, let's see. A virus can write itself to the disk as a driver, overwriting
the real one. Rebooting the system will then bring in the bogus driver.

Or... A virus can read a shared library as a file, modify it, and rewrite it.

Or... A virus can likewise modify an ini file.

Or... A virus can likewise modify cmd.exe

Or...

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