From: leisti@cc.helsinki.fi (Teemu Leisti)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Abortion again / was Re: DATELINE: Bush fucks up!
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:29:48 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:

> The overwhelming majority of the American people
> oppose abortion for purposes of sex selection, convienence, economic hardship,
> etc.  They find nothing wrong with a 24 hour waiting period, or parental
> NOTIFICATION (notice the wording, not parental CONSENT, but NOTIFICATION).

So, if 75% of the American people supported mandatory euthanasia for all
people over 80 years old, would that make it all right?

If 75% of the American people wanted to lift all the remaining basic
life-support, err, welfare benefits (are there any left?) from the poorest
10%, would that make it all right?

If 75% of the American people supported bombing a certain foreign nation
X into the stone age because the American President didn't like the
color of X's leader's socks, would that make it all right?

If 75% of Americans supported a constitutional amendment mandating the
federal government to put you, Brad Green, to prison for the rest of
your life, even though you had committed no crime, would that make it
all right?

> Abortion on demand is just that, all gloves off, abortion for ANY reason.
> The idea that a child would be aborted just because it was the wrong sex
> smacks of Nazi Germany and in particuliar, Communist China.  It's sick.

For your information, the Nazis gained their power through mostly
legitimate means: elections.  The result of public choice.  According to
your argument, that makes it all right.  The fact that a majority of
people supports a certain viewpoint does not necessarily make it morally
correct, only politically.

Further, this offhanded use of comparing someone with the Nazis if one
doesn't agree with their views rather weakens any argument, in my humble
opinion.

For an example, let's try it this way:  "In Nazi Germany, women were 
essentially treated as child-factories, hausfraus and reserve labor.  I
think that your wishing to impose undue restrictions on women's right to
decide about their own bodies and exercise their birth control options
smacks of Nazi Germany."  (Now, that wasn't difficult, was it.)  How do
you feel?  Am I justified in comparing you with the Nazis?  Neither do I
feel that way about your dragging the Nazis into the argument.

> Now, all you right-headed pro-abortion (cut the "pro-choice" crap), can
> start the flaming, like most liberals, you can't handle common sense.

And apparently you can't handle argument.  (What's this "common sense"? 
Could it possibly be equivalent to "whatever Brad Green thinks about an
issue"?)  But then your anti-choice (cut the "pro-life" crap) opinions
show you're so far around the bend to the right we probably can't engage 
in any meaningful communication anyway.

Liberal, leftist (at least in the American context), pro-choice, and
damn proud of it, I remain,

--  Teemu Leisti  /  U. of Helsinki, Finland  /  leisti@cc.helsinki.fi

"`This purgatory of the spirit, this animal thirst for self-preservation,
  these humiliating moments of the human soul, are awful, and sometimes
  arouse horror and compassion for the criminal even in a lawyer....'"
                              -- F. Dostoyevsky, _The Brothers Karamazov_
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