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From: murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:18:07 EDT
Organization: The Business Card (BBS), Lawrence, MA - Data: 508-682-5329

mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:

> >>Brown bottles are only marginally better protection for beer than are
> >>green bottles.
> 
> detection threshold for mercaptans is so low.  For either color, a
> few hours under bright fluorescents or probably less in direct sunlight
> will skunk beer in either color bottle, though perhaps less in brown.

Ah ha!  I'm new to this group and will be trying my hand at homebrewing 
sometime next week or so.  I just ordered my first catalogs.

Up until recently, my favorite beer was Heineken.  The local pub stored 
these green bottles on the top shelf directly under the flourescent 
lights and it was ALWAYS skunky.  I could never figure it out.  Now I 
know!  Thanks!  :-)

                                - - - Murph

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Politics of Beer Centers in USA
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:36:07 GMT

> 
> As for myself, I can't wait to head out to Portland for the first time and
> combine their marathon run with visiting the local brew scene!  I wonder if  
any
> of the current or past U.S. presidents or veeps were beer connoisseurs?
  
You should join the Hash House Harriers if you have a running problem.
Let us know what's happening on the beer front in Oregon.  Canada's first
PM, John A. Macdonald, was a boozer.  So was Churchill I'm told.  I don't
know about pre-TV era presidents, but I suspect it's only their brothers
who are/were drunkards! 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kdlayon@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Kristofer D Layon)
Subject: Oatmeal Stout
Summary: not beer!
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:42:20 GMT

For the guy who complained about Sam Smith's products not being good beer,
you're right.  But they're not beer in the first place.  It's stout.  That's
why it's not called Oatmeal Beer.

A simple solution to the problem: if you only like good beer, don't drink
any stout!

Kristofer D. Layon
kdlayon@mari.acc.stolaf.edu
Ein Prosit, ein Prosit...
From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: imports
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:19:25 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

In article 0@mips.murdoch.edu.au, rbj@mips.murdoch.edu.au (royce jenkins) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.065023.22345@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8932023@henson.cc.wwu.edu (RoB ShEpHeRd....) writes:
>>>2/ For those who aren't, what Aust. imports does anyone favour?

>>>Well, I do believe we favour Foster's Lager.

>IMHO, Foster's Lager tastes shit. I prefer an icy cold bitter beer rather 
>than any lager. My favourites are (from Australia) Emu Bitter, Tooheys Red 
>and Swan Dry (not a bitter) and from elsewhere, none. I don't know if these 
>ones that I like are exported to America, but if they are how many of you 
>americans like them.

I'll second the opinion on Fosters. Our dreaded tall-poppy syndrome sadly
applies well to choice of beer. There are some excellent small breweries here,
but most of the Tooheys and CUB beers (which, I'm sure is all that gets exported)
tend to be pretty awful.

-m.

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Beer fascism?!?!  (was Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:53:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.191153.12529@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <25810@life.ai.mit.edu> bri@black-coffee.ai.mit.edu (Brian Totty) writes:
>
>>> 
>>> I've Pilsner Urquell once, that was enough.  It was the skunkiest,
>>> most foul tasting beer that has ever passed my lips.  Granted, this
>>> was their export brew.
>>
>>	I have had one bottle of bad Urquell out of many good ones.  I
>>	don't know how the been is in Prague, but U.S. Urquell is
>>	excellent, IMHO.  One bottle I had was flat and spoiled.  But,
>>	all in all, I heartily recommend this beer.
>>
>
>Well, the spoilage problem is one of many reasons you should avoid beer bottled
>halfway across the world and buy american. And Im not talking about 
>budmillcoors, im talking about the many small breweries in the country who
>produce, IMNSHO, some of the best damn beer in the world. Not only that, but
>by drinking this beer you are doing your part to support the good ol US
>economy.....

Oh, oh. Blind nationalism hits the beer circuit. This is America mister,
we drink whatever we damn well please here (to be brief.)

If you want to push nationalistic policies on private beer consumption, you'd
be better off in the ex-soviet union.  In the meantime, this is the land
of the FREE and the home of the brave and we like our freedom of choice.

When America makes good products, Americans buy them.  We participate in a 
world market *by choice*.  You don't want to imagine our economy suffering
from isolationism.

>of course, I still buy imports sometime. Im tired of PU (though it is an
>excellent beer) but I have a weakness for Elephant Malt Liquor. Boy, it
>packs a nice punch, tastes great, and is not so expensive as far as imports
>go.
>
>Oh one last  thing about imports: several imports, Becks and St Pauli among
>them, sell a special version of their brew in america, one watered down to
>the supposed tastes of Americans. stay away....buy american.

America *invented* watered down beer, man. Have you had a miller, bud, coors,
or schlitz lately? Becks and S.P. are just doing what we do; they serve to the
market.

No, buy whatever the hell you want to buy.

Can you tell you hit a sore spot?  ;-)


-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Highly Opinionated, Aging  and                      knapp@spot.colorado.edu
Perpetual Student of Chemistry and Physics.
            Write me for an argument on your favorite subject.
From: alh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Al Hooton)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: A beer called Roslyn
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:47:17 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Jul21.181034.7713@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ftgmdw@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Could anybody help me ? I've heard of an American beer called ROSLYN, which
>comes from a town of the same name near Seattle. As this is the name of my good
>lady wife, and our first anniversary is imminent, I would earn no end of bonus
>points for being a loving husband etc., if I presented her with a bottle or
>two. To this end, does anyone know how I could get hold of some of this stuff ?


Well, I don't know about the beer (although I *am* going to look for it the
next time I'm up there).  However, a piece of trivia: did you know that this
town, Roslyn, is where the TV series 'Northern Exposure' is taped?  Yup - the
Roslyn cafe in the series isn't named after a person, it's named after the
town!

Any Seattleites (no, not sattelites) know of this beer from Roslyn?  Is there
a brewpub up there, or just a brewery?


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From: fbruno@julio.sanders.lockheed.com (Frank Bruno)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sammie Smiths
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:11:52 GMT
Reply-To: fbruno@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc

In article <1992Jul23.162945.979@cs.ucf.edu>, tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
|> 
|> Well beer lovers, I had an opportunity this past weekend to try two of
|> the many recommended beers I see in this group. Samual Smiths Nut brown
|> ale and Samual Smiths Oatmeal stout.. I think I can say without a
|> shred of doubt that these are the two worst beers I have ever had in
|> my life. They were simply undrinkable. An aftertaste like kerosene is
|> being generous. I have never in my life had a beer I couldn't finish.
|> Until this weekend. I tryed my best to pawn them off on two friends
|> with me but after a drink apiece we decided they had to be tossed.
|> Before they made us toss. How this swill can be recommended let alone
|> drunk is beyond me. You people must have no palate at all. OR... I
|> somehow got ahold of a bad batch... of each. They did both come from
						  ^^^^^^^^^
I think that says it all, without a doubt, Sam Smiths Nut Brown Ale is one of
the absolute best beers that I have ever tasted. Even my girlfriend, who only
drinks "light" beers liked it alot. She practically drank my whole bottle. As
for the Oatmeal stout, I can only assume it is as good as the Nut Brown. I
wouldn't write off Sam Smiths beer because of the experience that you 
described, because then you'll never know what your missing.

|> the same store and I suppose it is possible they had been there for
|> awhile and had gone bad. But let me tell you it will be years before I
|> waste money checking out this theory. They sucked SO bad. 
|> 
All I can say is either Sam Smiths isn't for you, or you got an old or bad
batch. Either way, I must agree that it is expensive to test either theory.

								-Frank
From: paul@gergo.tamu.edu (From under the rock of Paul Stine)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Keg design
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:16:00 GMT
Organization: Geochemical and Environmental Research Group - TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ViDoNB2w164w@cellar.org>, hacksaw@cellar.org (Hacksaw) writes...
- 
-And while we're on the topic of kegs...
- 
- Is it true(I'm 99% sure that it is) that a full keg is not sold(legally) in 
-the United States? So, a half-keg that people refer to is usually a half of 
-what is legally sold, hence making it a 1/4 keg. Right?
- 
-And a half-keg(half of a real keg) is 5 cases of beer?
- 
-FInally... what is the logic, if any, behind the idea that no whole kegs are 
-sold?
- 
-hacksaw@cellar.org (Hacksaw)
-The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184

	Here it goes....

	A standard keg is 15.5 gallons which is half of a brewer's
	barrel (ie. 31 gallons). What is often refered to as a 'pony'
	keg is really half of a keg, that is 7.75 gallons. I've never
	heard of a barrel being available for sale, or of beer being
	packaged in a barrel (quantity). This is for the U.S. In other
	countries beer can come in anything from a bottle to a tanker 
	truck.

	-------------------------------------------------------------
	Paul E. Stine '83		Geochemical and Environmental
	aka "barkeeper"			       Research Group
	PAUL@GERGO.TAMU.EDU	  College of Geosciences and Marine Studies
					    Texas A&M University
					
	  The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of 
	 the Texas A&M University System. I'm not even sure they are 
	 mine, as I think I had my opinion removed as a small child.
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Why Beer is like women (was: Re: Why Beer is Better than Women!!!!)
Followup-To: alt.beer, alt.misogyny
Summary: A new twist
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.152352.2116@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob "J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs" Dobson) writes:
>Well, this list is pretty old, so i thought id add a few reason why beer
>and women are alike.
>
[stuff deleted]
>3. both are reasons to go to an otherwise miserably lame party
>
>4. both are reasons to go on living an otherwise miserable life
>
>any additions?
>

5. both are reasons to end your miserable life

-/-/-/-/-/-/
Kyle
'Women: a mistake?  Or did He do it to us on purpose?!' --D. van Horne
/-/-/-/-/-/-
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ddudek@dadd.ti.com (Dan Dudek,DDXD,)
Subject: Paulaner's Salvator
Reply-To: ddudek@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:33:49 GMT

I don't know if anyone's still keeping a tally of who votes for what beer,
but other than the Samuel Adams Lager/Ale/Dopplebock, Paulaner's Salvator
is the best brew I've had yet.  Although spending $9 on a 4-pack of these
strange 16.9 oz. beers is expensive, a local pub call Medievel Inn has it
on tap, and if you hit happy hour, a 10 oz. glass is a buck.  Heaven.

By the way, where the hell does this 16.9 oz come from? Is this another 
bizarre Metric thing, or did someone order 10,000 of the wrong size 
bottles? 8>)  I thought it said 1 pint, 9 oz's when I 1st bought it, so
it didn't seem TOO expensize, but upon further examination, it is 1 pint
0.9 oz...   BS.  Strange coincidence that you get the big cans (like
O'Keefe export something or other) in a 1 pint 9 oz variety...  
(US pint...(16 oz)).

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From: igl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Ian Glendinning)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: UK Beer Measures.
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:48:54 GMT

In <1992Jul17.075753.4440@spider.co.uk> peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse) writes:

>But times are a changing.  Pubs are slowly getting metrified (is this a word!) 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^
                                                    metricated
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From: deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Keg design
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:24:39 GMT
Reply-To: deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul18.043043.3560@rosedale.uucp> dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes:
>>pressure inside the keg (5 psig=19.7 psia) to produce a pressure
>>head large enough to overcome the elevation and friction heads induced
>>by the valve fittings and the tap tubing.
>

Is this minimum pressure or optimum pressure?  I recently inherited a refrigerator/tap/CO2
setup and I'm wondering where to set the regulator.  Also, what is "psig"?  My regulator
measures in psi only.  Is there a difference?         

Thanks for any help.
-- 


I don't need a .sig.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: Alcohol Content of U.S. Beer
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:27:13 GMT

In article <BrpHv6.BM3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
 mpreslar@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Martin Preslar) writes:

>Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:

>>Since this subject (especially in comparison with Canadian beer) comes up
>>pretty often here, I went to my local B.C. government liquor store to 
>>do some research. All beer sold in Canada must have the % alcohol by 
>>volume on the label, and that includes U.S. beer. (Write your 
>>congressperson and ask him/her why U.S. beer sold in the U.S. doesn't 
>>have this.) The results of my research are as follows:

>>        Michelob                5%
[list deleted]

>I am not possitive, but I have heard that the % alcohol content of American
>beers sold in Canada is not the same as the % alcohol of the beers sold here
>in the states (due to some U.S. law about the alcohol content allowed in the
>U.S.)  I don't recall what the % alcohol of the beer sold in the U.S. is, but
>I think it was somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0.

Fallacy.  % alcohol for beer is measured by weight in the U.S.--since 
alcohol weighs less than water, you get a different number than if you 
measured by % volume.  Most beers in the U.S. are around 3.9% by weight, and 
4% by weight is about the same as 5% by volume.  Michelob is pretty close to 
4% by weight in the U.S., so it sounds like the same version is shipped to 
Canada.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
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From: mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: selling homebrew
Keywords: beer
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:23:14 GMT
Organization: DEC Palo Alto

mcweek01@sirius.spd.louisville.edu (Michael C. Weeks) writes:
> 'Just need to know where to start.

Is the BATF in the phonebook?



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From: emeeks@unity.ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Subject: Re: Keg design
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:46:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.043043.3560@rosedale.uucp> dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul15.200248.17374@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> kwl@po.CWRU.Edu (Kenneth W. Lux) writes:
>>
(Description of "Ball tap" Kegs deleted)


>And these taps really suck.  Gawd, I long for the return of the Golden
>Gate tap!  (Tap on top for air/CO2, tap on the bottom to remove the beer.)

Even Golden gates have their flaws (Does Molson still use them?).
Several times I've seen that bottom tap snap when a keg was dropped...
soon after you have a 50 gal. trash can full of "beer on the rocks".
Still, tapping them (and untapping them, should you have to) can be less
of a mess.


>I defy anyone to tap one of these loathesome kegs without spewing beer
>all over the place. 

Yeah, they can be a pain, but a lot depends on who made the tap you are
using. There are some cheapo taps that can come apart in your hands.
Speaking of making messes, here's a really good way to completely soak
yourself: try tapping a Budmilcoors keg with a tap used on a Heineken
keg. They are almost identical in design, the exception being the
Heineken tap's "probe" extends further, so when you "push down and turn"
on the keg, the ball fitting on the keg depresses as if it was already
tapped, shooting beer everywhere. Lots o' fun to watch, if you don't think of 
the wasted beer.

>Of course, for real beer-drinking ambiance, you
>can't beat the old German 10l (15?) kegs which are tapped by pounding
>the tap in with a hammer.  Ach du weih!
>
Yeah, I wonder if any homebrewer have any experiences using (making?)
wooden kegs.

--
Ed Meeks

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:56:51 GMT

skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:

>georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos) writes:

>>Beware -- I just bought my second case (from different stores, several
>>months apart) of Pilsner Urquell that was really nasty...  leaking caps,
>>slimy, infected taste, etc.

>I don't know anything about the export stuff but when I had it in Prague
>durng summer of 1989 it was nothing short of superb.

Unfortunately, most of the Urquell imported to the US tastes
like it also last saw Prague in the summer of 1989!

But I agree that, when drank in Europe, PU is superb.

Jon Binkley
From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: October-festival
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:12:58 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In alt.beer, igl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Ian Glendinning) writes:
>In <22619@oasys.dt.navy.mil> smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt) writes
>
>>    I am going so I must know :).  I was *told* that it traditionally
>>ends on the first Sunday in October and is two weeks long.  That places
>
>Right, except it's 16 days in length - i.e. starts on a Saturday.

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm gonna miss two days, ooooohhhh noooooo!!

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From: WTP.ADMIN@MHS.UNC.EDU (Bill Pitts)
Subject: Request: Answers to Beer Quiz
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:05:45 GMT

mrpabst 

Could you please post the answers to your beer quiz?

Thanks.

Bill
From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Oatmeal Stout
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:45:29 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland


> A simple solution to the problem: if you only like good beer, don't drink
> any stout!

Carefully worded so as to be not quite slanderous of stout.

But I'll defend it anyway. Stout is a good thing to drink if
you know you're going to be drinking stout. As a stout, Chimay
is terrible, but it's great beer. Disbelievers can try Matilda
Bay Brass Monkey (yum!). It's also fun with a raw egg (this
also exists as a rural American custom, n'est-ce pas?)

-m.
From: igl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Ian Glendinning)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: good vessel for chimay???
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:13:23 GMT

In <1992Jul22.162400.29280@sbil.co.uk> ben@spitws79.sbil.co.uk (Ben Evans) writes:

>Some types of belgian beer glass are very extreme, for instance one (I don't
>remember the name) has a round base, and comes with a special wooden
>cradle which it hangs in!

It's called Kwak.
  Ian
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