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From: gbh@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Da Hubster!!!)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: HELP!!!  _---GCC QUESTION---
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:32:45 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I just got linux installed onto my 486 and now want to 
compile some things for it 

My question is what is the name for the complete gcc compplier and
any good locations to obtain it

any help would be greatly thanked!!!!!


gbh@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: olvwm + Xega
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:31:13 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

Has anyone successfully run olvwm using Xega?  When I run it, it starts the
X server, draws a couple windows (clock & xterm) and fails when trying to
start the actual window manager.  It returns with a divide error.  I compiled
olvwm myself and got the same result.

I am able to run twm and gwm/mwm fine, so I believe my version of Xega is ok.
If you have any thoughts on this, send email to talley@acadia.kodak.com.

Thanks,

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@acadia.kodak.com
From: msb@cats.ucsc.edu (Maurice Stanley Barnum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: How small a root partition can I get away with?
Date: 4 Oct 1992 21:24:52 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: small HD



I'm going to be installing Linux on a 386 with a 120mb hard drive.
Since the owner of the computer wants to keep at least half of the
disk for DOS, I'm interested in making the most efficient use of
whatever space I can get from him.

Would a 4 meg root partition be enough?  Offhand, I can't think of
too much that goes on the partition, though I don't know how big
/dev and /bin get.  

thanks.
From: nmp08@rz.uni-kiel.dbp.de (30-SEP-1992 14:50:41.55)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Just another question (shared libs)
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:58:28 GMT
Reply-To: nmp08@rz.uni-kiel.dbp.de
Organization: The Internet

Just another question about shared libs: who can I create them?
I have successfully compile SUIT (The simple user interface tool) and now 
all executables are > 300K. In order to shrink file size I want to
create shared libs.

Andreas Wacknitz
InterNet: nmp08@rz.uni-kiel.dbp.de
From: c-amb@math.utah.edu (Mark B. Alston)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How can I use ZModem with Kermit or tip? HELP!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:48:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: uglab16.C-AMB.92Oct1134838
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Utah

The way that I use Zmodem with kermit is the following:

	1) Start the download on the remote computer
	2) Shell out of kermit
	3) Start the download on the local computer using rz 

The is apparently an enviromental variable to tell rz and sz which
ports to use but I have not figured it out yet.  Thus I use
 'rz < /dev/ttys2 > /dev/ttys2'.  This works fine for me.
--
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  Mark Alston        
  c-amb@math.utah.edu
       
"Never knew a decent man who liked mathematics."
			- Bonnie Abbzug-Sarvis
			  Hayduke Lives!
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From: liljeber@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Liljeberg)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: NEW: Support for Canadian French (CF) Keyboard
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:24:09 GMT
	<Oct.4.20.15.43.1992.5646@geneva.rutgers.edu>
	<1992Oct5.013308.21682@wam.umd.edu> <1992Oct5.025000.18463@sobeco.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki, Finland

In article <1992Oct5.025000.18463@sobeco.com> alawrenc@sobeco.com (a.lawrence) wrote:
> In <1992Oct5.013308.21682@wam.umd.edu> joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:
> 
>>BTW, is Linux 8-bit clean?  What about bash?  For example, can I
>>modify keyboard driver to use 8-bit chars, and then have 8-bit char
>>file names?

Yes. The keyboard driver already supports 8-bit characters. So does the
console device and the tty driver (I'm not sure, if 8-bit characters are
legal in file names, though).

> From what I have seen so far, characters greater than 0x7F are rejected
> at the shell prompt.  I don't know yet if this is bash, or the cooked
> I/O routines.  I suspect the latter.  

I don't know about bash, but tcsh can handle 8-bit characters. All
you need to do is 'setenv LANG ISO8859-1'. Oh, and make sure the tty
doesn't strip the eight bit.

	Mika
--
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Helsinki University			Mika.Liljeberg@Helsinki.FI
Dept. of Computer Science
From: leet@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian D. Leet)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Tape Drive (help please?)
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:23:25 GMT
Organization: UB


In article <1992Sep29.203422.26967@let.rug.nl> H.H. Bergman writes:
>[Just got a new account on a brand new machine -- fingers crossed]
>leet@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian D. Leet) writes:
>: linux.  After a bit of research and reading it appears that only QIC-02 and
>: QIC-36 drives are supported.  I am finding that actually locating such a 
>: beast

>Note that I am not supporting QIC-36 interfaces. They may just happen to work,
>but I have no info about QIC-36.

Ok, yeah I got that.  I seem to remember there being additional code at tsx-11
for the QIC-36.  I would rather find a QIC-02 myself.

>: various Wangtek drives?  They all seem to be SCSI to me but I thought i read
>: somewhere that they were supported.  Would someone mind explaining?

>I think Wangtek makes basically the same drives with just a different
>interface option, either SCSI or QIC-02. If you wait a while, there *may*
>[Drew?] appear an SCSI driver for Linux.

Does this just entail a different board to put in an expansion slot?  (I am
looking to buy used and no one can tell me much about thier drives.  I need
specific questions to ask them.)

>:   On a more specific vein, are ARchive drives in general supported?  In 
>: particular is the Archive VP402 controller card?  What about the Archive
>: 5580i drive?  Thanks for any info. choosing a tape drive is becoming a real 

>Do you mean the SC402 card?

Is the SC402 card what is supported?  Knowing a specific card which is 
supported would be *Very* helpful.  In fact just a few actual models that
you know work would be nice.

>: chore.

>Ever tried writing a driver for one? ;-) ;-)

Nope, and I have discovered I am uniquely unqualified to do it. :-)  Thanks
for making the opportunity for me to try this though.

						Brian
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: Re: Problems making Common LISP
To: sg2j+@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:04:34 GMT

In article <YelJ74W00Uh7M5k0x8@andrew.cmu.edu> you write:
>Hello all,
>
>Well, I'm taking another one of those wonderfull CS courses here at CMU,
>and just happen to be using Common Lisp (my early oppinnion - I hate it
>:-)  Anyways, I was happy to hear that there was a version of CL on TSX.
> So I went a FTP'd it earlier tonight.  I read the little README. and
>attempted to make the runnable file.  However, GCC (2.2.2d) complained
>that _setjmp was undefined and being referenced from an external text
>segment.  Could someone give me the command line arg to GCC to tell it
>how/where to find the jump table stuffs?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Scott
>
>Scott Grabowski                +  "I don't pretend to understand women's
>sg2j@andrew.cmu.edu            +  little quirks, just one thing I know for
>Physics is Phun!               +  sure, chicks dig jerks."  - Marblehead
>Johnson!

setjmp was changed from function (gcc 2.2.2) to
macro (gcc 2.2.2d). So if you installed your 2.2.2d on
top of 2.2.2 correctly ( and still got old setjmp.h in 
.../i-386-linux/2.2.2/include) you should add 
-V 2.2.2
when compiling it. Of course, that means that you won't
be able to use jump tables, so it might be better to
change the code itself. (look in headers).

				Rafal

PS I also have class on prog. lang's and lisp is most
hatefull part ;).


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Xref: sparky comp.os.linux:11900 comp.unix.bsd:6495
From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd
Subject: You can't escape the real world (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:54:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu

wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:

>I thought comp.os.linux is the best place for friendly people to talk
>about what they get in playing/working with Linux.

>commercial Unixes. You can't push Linux to the mainstream world without
>money.  I'd rather stay in such kind of underground subculture in
>the seemingly uglier computer society.

Working in a small underground where you don't have to deal with
nasty issues is a nice ideal.  In the computer industry it is
not really a practical option.

Witness the Moto 68k for example.  If you loved the 68020
architecture, you would be incredibly pissed off at it's demise (at
the hands of Intel and RISC).  In this business, if you care for a
product idea you can't leave it to the free market.  By itself, the
free market will produce obscenities like Microsoft.

Specifically, the Unix bandwagon in general (Linux in particular) is
living off the common skills of thousands of good software guys
worldwide, the existence of good books, the free software, phenomena
like Cygnus Support and Lucid Emacs, etc.  To the extent that like
Unix is able to encroach on DOS/Windows/OS2, these infrastructural
inputs will get better.  For every ten engineers writing commercial
Unix software one will write some free software in his spare time.
University kids are likely to be more willing to learn Unix skills if
they think there is a good market for Unix programmers in the real
world.  While at school they are likely to produce good free software.

In sum: If Unix is able to do well in the OS wars then the world of
free software will greatly benefit.

And conversely.  Insane as it may sound, Microsoft would like to have
us believe that Windows NT is going to be the single dominant OS over
a hundred different forms of hardware, just the way Unix has been for
the last decade.  Are you going to enjoy seeing such a world come
about?  I doubt it.  If not, do something about it.  Convince one
peasant each day about your world view.

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: Trouble with MCC bootup disk
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:25:45 GMT

In article <ucosmo.718055211@mcl>, ucosmo@mcl.ucsb.edu (Boris Burtin) writes:
|> I just got a response from a guy who wrote his distribution to 5.25" disks.
|> Is this required, or can you also write the images to 3.5"?
|> 
|> --
|>      - Boris
|> (cosmo@cs.ucsb.edu)

You can dump a 5.25"  minix floppy to a 3.5" floppy with dd or rawrite. Of
course, you waste 240K on 3.5".

H.J.
From: moura@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Hermano P de Moura)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: prolog?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:30:43 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

sinkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Janne Sinkkonen) writes:


>Could someone name a good prolog for linux? 
>Does it need porting? Has someone ported?

I am using SWI-Prolog (I got it from tsx-11, but it was
not there yesterday -- in <don't know>/usr.bin I think). This
version was updated recently but I cannot find the new one in the
archive. The author of the port is Pieter Olivier (olivierp@fwi.uva.nl).

Hope this helps,

-- Hermano Moura
From: jjk1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James Joshua Kopper)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:34:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Until the Unix people learn to use some to the more advanced applications
>available in the PC/MAC market place they won't really know what they are
>missing.  Until I can get Word Perfect running under Linux and find a 
>spreadsheet capabable of competing with Excel I am going to have to keep
>my business activities running under MS-DOS.

Sorry, but I *really* have to laugh at this!  Apparently, you haven't
ever used something like Interleaf.  Although I personally adore
WordPerfect, it can not even come close to Interleaf when it comes to
creating large texts, books, manuscripts, etc.  Interleaf works best
under UNIX and XWindows.  There are databases (ever heard of Oracle?),
spreadsheets, etc., etc., etc.  Your only point can be that they are
not available for Linux.  The reason: they don't get distributed with
source code.  Most of them check processor serial numbers, etc.,
because the companies are paranoid that they will be copied.

However, once Linux is a little more widespread, the companies
releasing these programs may choose to do so (unfortunately, it will
probably only be in binary form).  While WordPerfect and Excel are
excellent packages, they are _hardly_ the end-all of applications.
Unix-like OSs are much more powerful than DOS is, may be made to be,
or ever will become.  DOS will always have a place on single-user
systems, but with the way things are headed toward client-server and
distributed environments, it just doesn't cut it.  Neither do its
applications.  Or perhaps there is a way to have several different
machines working on different parts of a WP document at the same time,
updating each other's files simultaneously, updating references in
real time, etc.?  Perhaps Excel is designed for multi-user operation
and input?  Not likely.  It's not a limitation of the software
packages of course, just the operating system they run under.

IMHO, of course :-)

--Josh
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: donadio@wilbur.psu.edu (Beaker)
Subject: Problem with man(1)
Keywords: man problem
Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:19:48 GMT

I seem to be having a problem with man.  Certain man pages will not
display.  I tried a few them on a SPARCII, and they work fine, so
I suspect that I messed something up, or man has a bug in it.  Here
are the last few lines from a man -d cal :

found ultimate source file /usr/man/man1/cal.1
to_name in convert_name () is: /usr/man/cat1/cal.1.Z
will try to write /usr/man/cat1/cal.1.Z if needed
status from is_newer() = 217056
Couldn't open /usr/man/cat1/cal.1.Z for writing.
using default preprocessor sequence

trying command: (cd /usr/man ; /usr/bin/gtbl  Regents of the University of California.
 | /usr/bin/groff -Tascii -mandoc | /usr/bin/less -s)

Man found the proper man page, but it is mangling the filename in the
pipe.  If I manually set up the pipe, everything is fine.  Any ideas
what could be wrong?  

This happens with the man pages for cal, tcsh, olvwm, and most of the
X man pages.

--
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-----------------------| peace of mind, is waiting there--And the time will
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From: gbh@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (gbh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: HELP!!!!  X gets stuck!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:56:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1afl6aINN1lv
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu


I am running a 486-33 with 8 meg

After install x11v1.1 I tried to start it typing startx 
of course and what happened there after is as follows


hard drive spins for a few seconds

screen goes completely blank

drive spins alittle more

then nothing, the system locks and I have to give it the three finger solute
to get it do anything

no core dump

no nothing


HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



ADIOS!!!!!!                                            -----------------------
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From: kapela@prism.poly.edu (Theodore S. Kapela)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Which group id?
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:28:34 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <_1_p#=+.aclark@netcom.com> aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark) writes:
>
>The default group of a new file under SunOS is your choice;
>If the directory has ordinary permissions, you'll use the passwd entry
>group ("graduate" above).  However, if the directory has setgid bit set,

Actually, it will use your current group id.  If you are a member of
more than one group (IE: listed in /etc/group), you may change your
group id via newgrp(1).  (Note that this changes only your current
group id for the current shell (OK: it forks & execs a new shell. . .), 
not the entry in /etc/passwd)

-- 
..............................................................................
 Theodore S. Kapela				kapela@poly.edu
 Center for Applied Large-Scale Computing	
 Polytechnic University
From: havia@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jyrki Havia)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: disk thruput
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:38:01 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes:

>I get 795 Kbyte/sec under Linux and about 700 Kbyte/sec under SunOS.
...
>average of 9.  So it's clear that SunOS can beat my machine when it's

	Sparc2, Seagate Elite 2, ~3100 Kbyte/sec read and ~2500
	Kbytes/sec write, 1 gigabyte test file, empty&new filesystem.

	It is not the OS, it is the hardware.
-- 
Jyrki Havia               : havia@cc.helsinki.fi, havia@serifos.helsinki.fi
University of Helsinki,   : havia@finuha
Computing Centre          : HYLKA::HAVIA
From: hurtta@cs.Helsinki.FI (Kari E. Hurtta)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Where's Linus
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:26:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki, Finland

In article <1992Sep29.213232.7178@mcshh.Hanse.DE> umisef@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Bernd Meyer) wrote:
> The subjext says it all - according to my newsreader Linus showed up
> last on the 23rd of September - a week ago.
> Is he off for holidays?
> 
> What has happened....

Studying, I think. Courses have begun.

(Anyway:
hydra% finger linus
Login name: torvalds                    In real life: Linus Torvalds
Directory: /home/hydra/torvalds         Shell: /bin/tcsh
Last login Wed Sep 30 10:33 on ttypd from klaava
)
From: donbon@gw.neuronet.pitt.edu (Don Bonaddio)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SCSI + EISA
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:00:49 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.linux
Organization: ccn


I am trying to load linux onto a Gateway2000 486 EISA with SCSI drive
(>300MB). When I boot from the boot disk it does not see the SCSI drive
, so when I try to install it from the root disk it fails to see any
drive. I tried /dev/sda /dev/sdb .... 
 Is there a problem with SCSI and EISA ? The SCSI is at 0. How do I tell
fdisk where it is ?
The disk has over 200MB unpartitioned. The remaining has one MSDOS primary
partition and one extended MSDOS partition. 
What am I doing wrong here ? Is there a patch I need ?

thanks,
db
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From: ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Great marketing (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 10:55:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: almaak.usc.edu
Keywords: UNIX

talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley) writes:

>Propaganda?  Hell, yes!  Look at IBM!  Look at Microsoft!  They didn't get
>where they are by creating great software and selling it cheap! Of course,
>there's often a fine line between "Quality Marketing" and propaganda. :}

The leader of the Windows NT project is a guy named Dave Cutler
who worked for DEC before this job.  He was asked how doing this 
project was different from his earlier work.  He said ``it's the
same OS, but I've never seen such marketing''.

Really: it's sickening to see the way the peasants are blindly
believing that Windows NT is the ``OS of the future''.  This when
it's as certain as plain daylight that Microsoft will never have
a market share as large as what it had in 1987, ever again, even
if Windows NT can ship before end-1993 and it can be free of bugs
and it can be worth using for anyone.  Remember these guys tried writing
DOS, Windows, OS/2.

I work hard on educating all the peasants I can find.

        -ans.
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jonathan@nova.next.nd.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw)
Subject: Re: Graphic Zmodem (Was: How to make curses write to stderr?)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:01:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.155627.24097@athena.mit.edu> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:
>
>Well, I cleaned up the graphical look of zmodem and it is now pretty
>complete. I fixed many of the omissions in the code I posted yesterday
>to handle error messages, display the times elapsed and remaining
>and show the data transfer throughput. It now actually looks prettier
>and gives more information than most DOS programs.
>

Does it work over a 7 bit link?  I know it is possible somehow to get
Zmodem over a 7E1 link but I haven't been able to do it
DOES ANYONE KNOW how to get ZMODEM over a 7 BIT LINK? (xferring 8 bit files)

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From: hans@mo.hobby.nl (Hans Oey)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:41:20 GMT
Organization: Makkee & Oey

ppan@nobeltech.nobeltech.se (Per Andersson) writes:

>Serious software cost money. Oracle is a real database system, and as other 
>real systems such as VMS:s rdb, Ingres, Sybase etc. has a large development
>budget which needs to be coverred. Oh, so Dbase is not expensive? Well, try
>to use it with clients from VMS,MVS and Unix, at the same time....

How much did you pay for emacs, gcc, Linux, X11 etc.?
--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux