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From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Surveyings all around
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:09:55 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>In <Bz3py4.624@newcastle.ac.uk> from J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) :
>> It suggests that 10% of the population throughout the UK might have gay
>> relationships if they had the facilities and opportunities which exist in
>> London.
>
> I'm not so sure. It's probably fair to say that a higher GLB profile in a given
>city will raise the chances of people finding out something more about themselves,
>but also there's the matter of others relocating to such a city /for/ the scene.
>After all, would it be accurate to survey the San Francisco Bay Area, and project
>those demographics onto other parts of the US ?

I don't believe relocation would make a significant difference in the case
of London, because:

a) You wouldn't know London had a scene if you were in the closet

b) London is such a ghastly place that you wouldn't move there unless you
   were forced to.


/jon
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: See Roy?
Keywords: Here I am!
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:40:37 GMT

In article <1gsfh4INN1sh@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>In article <hxn22jb@rpi.edu> safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>-> See Roy?  Here I am!
>-><Bounces up and down above the sea of people posting to soc.bi.>
>-> Told you I was in here somewhere, believe me now?
>
>Points! Yeay! Hey everyone, it's Points!

*The* Points?  the *FurryMUCK* Points?

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Xref: sparky soc.bi:16888 soc.motss:53124
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:08:48 GMT
Organization: People's Front of Judea

In article <BzHM3s.K60@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <BzGwLA.Gs1@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>>        "The young of the homo sapien, as with other mammals, are
>>         fed from the breast."
>
>Ten-yard penalty for unnecessary use of the passive voice.

Yes, I'd phrase it as "Man, like other mammals, breast-feeds his
young." In fact, "...breast-feeds his sons" would be better; it
is understood that daughters are encompassed in the general word
"sons".
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Religion
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:34:32 GMT

In article <71232@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
>
>This brings me to something that has bothered the Hell out of me for some time
>. Why is sex such a bad thing according to the christians? Why is it
>considered a sin, both in the Old testament and in the New?

I've wondered that for years and years myself.  If you ask Christians, they'll
often tell you to stop being so silly; "of course sex is ok!", the liberal
ones will say.  The conservative ones say that sex is ok (but only in
monogamous, hetero marriage).  They don't seem to be bothered that many of
us would have trouble having any kind of decent sexuality if we had to go
around saying to ourselves "no, no, bad, bad, not married", and then once
we have that piece of paper: "yes, sex good now".  I KNOW I couldn't do
this on-off business!

>Now on top of this, they toss in some stuff about how gay sex is an
>abomination in the eyes of God. Frankly I don't get it. I don't understand it
>and I have tried.
>
>some time ago, when I started all this, I was plagued with what I called at 
>the time with "homosexual nightmares." I really sweated being gay for quite 
>awhile before I got off my ass and did something about it. I went to talk 
>about it with a gay friend of mine with the idea forming that if I tried it,
>I would hate it and never have to worry about these damn dreams again.
>
>The goofy look of peace, beauty and joy that glowed from his face when he came
>,when I got him to come,just made matters worse. It confused me because many
>"spokesmen" for Christ had told me that giving something that special, that
>wonderful, to another man was a sin, an abominatin in the eyes of God.

Experience seems counter to the dogma, don't it?  Love should mean something,
and legalistic sexuality leaves out love.

>So I challenge any of the many lurking christians out there to explain this.
>Why is it a sin to show love physically to someone of your own gender? Why is
>it wrong to do unto another what they want you to do unto them? How is this 
>consistant with a just and/or loving God?

Good question!  
>
>I'd bet my soul none of you can do it.:)
>
>Ben Gibson(Christo-pagen bisexual)


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Sexual consent (Was: Roy's "consenting" slave)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 07:05:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers) writes:
[Much personal and painful stuff which I shall reserve public comment
on, at least for now]
>>I, in particular, need to learn not to be such a wimp.
>
>Me too.  I'm trying to expand my area of the right to say "no".  
>It's work, ain't it?

Sure is.  Found any good routes, other than the self-defence course?  I
don't want to learn agression (that's not what self-defence is about, I
know), so I will have nothing to do with the Fierceness brigade, and
their Warrior archetype.  The very concept makes me sick.  Still, a
little ability to hold fast when a confrontation, a "no", is required
would be rather useful.

[Bi-relevance is clearly nil, directly.  I happen to think that several
people I know on this group want to know about this, though, so I'm
unsure what to do.  We can go to email, or land in another group, but I
see disadvantages either way.  At least I'm asking Heather, who must
hold the record for Best-Posts-In-Least-Words, and has held it for some
time.]

Mike, who finds there is no contest whatsoever between Wimp and Warrior,
but would like to take a few excess out of the wimpishness
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:04:14 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

RE: And is everyone so tall around here?
I don't know about the others but I'm 5'10 and I _love_ being tall (and
maybe its the only thing I'm not so insecure about...)

*hugs* to all, tallbis and shortbis together.
Mo

(Its pathetic how many letters I'll answer just to put off the
programing but I can hear it whimpering from my folder so I'll go and
put it out of its misery now.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jmacvean@willamette.edu (Jennifer MacVean)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:32:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.Bz6KLx.n2t
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

In article <29383@castle.ed.ac.uk> moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman) writes:
>A muffin with questions, no less.
>Lets see..
>My friends don't think I'm gay, they think I'm wierd and they _expect_
>me to be different to them.  They are never surprised by anything I do/am
>because of this.  Anyones radar would pick up a tall silent girl with
>long red hair (sorry, dyed black just now) and dressed in old black lace
>from head to foot, and they would hazard guesses at all aspects of me
>based on their predjudices.  The usual one being that I must be a witch.
>
>Mo

Mo!  You sound purrrrfectly delightful, witch or no!
*nuzzle nuzzle*    <BIGHUG>  You marvelous ex-muffin, you!  ;-)

Lynne

~
-- 
{ J. Lynne Mac Vean  } { Telnet: jmacvean@willamette.edu}     ____
{ whyte tyger / poet } { Snailmail: 900 State St. - G254}     \ _/__
{  Standard Disclaimer: Willamette University has better}      \\  /
{  things to do than agree with what *I* say - sheesh! }         \/
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: I BAAACK!
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:21:40 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have *just* caught up on this group!

<everyone can be proud of me now - hint hint>

I have been negligent for WEEKS now.
Apoligies around to anyone I have not responded to by mail.

(of course, I will be behind on Monday...)

*E-hugs* to all (especially Texan muffins)
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Porn
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:46:28 GMT

Liz, what a fantastic essay!  I'm saving it forever.


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: De-muffinning 
Organization: The IBM PC User Group On-line services
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:04:37 GMT

In article <BzGz24.1IG@ibmpcug.co.uk> shelly@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Shelly DelVeccio) writes:
>Anyone want to hear a great story regarding my unsuccessful attempts to
>get GT a Christmas present? ;-)

Yes, *me*!.  Harumph. Won't tell me but offers to tell the whole world.

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:45:20 GMT

In article <Bz1E86.A7H@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>In article <Bz07y9.HFx@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>at least a year and span three continents (and my nuts would have died).
>>
>Oh no not your nuts.  I'll revive them.  I've heard that CPR works;)

Aaargh! You posted first, and I thought I'd have that joke all to
myself...

>BTW, don't worry about maximizing your queer tour while at DE I'll do
>that.

Fun fun fun fun!

>>Perhaps I should try and drum up some sponsor money from people who
[..]
>>would cause me to be in any way nice to Clayton Cramer, just in case

>If you drum up money, would you be an e-whore:+)?

I guess I would.

>I'm glad that you would *never* satiate that prick in anyway

No way.

>>This is very powerful reasoning indeed.
>If you only knew the half of it.  We are but a small contingent of the
>queer community here at DE.

Oh my goodness, this should be FUN!

>>>Delaware is a mere 5hrs away from New York, 1 hour from Philly.
>>>1.5 from Baltimore.
>>
>>Oh God, since when has distance been measured in hours?  Is this hours
>>by foot, bicycle, bus, car, train, plane, transporter-beam, or what?
>>
>OK,OK, I drive like a grandmother.  I like to enjoy myself, damnit.

Sure, no problem, it's good to see the scenery, specially if you
haven't been somewhere before.  But no enjoying me while you're
driving, it'll take your attention from the road :)

>>Oo, ya wicked person, Jim.  Spanks in store for you!
>O please.  I sure hope that you follow up on that one.

Count on it.  Though it looks as though there may be a queue :)

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Pins
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:32:20 GMT

In article <BzC6ou.8oC@rice.edu> cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:
>But anyway, yes there are people in Texas reading this.  Yes I know
>this thread's a bit old, but I just started reading tonight, and read
>all 700-some articles over a few hours.  And yes this is my first
>post here.  ;)
>
>	Cathy
>-- 
Hey I remember reading all of the hundreds of articles
just happy to know that there was bi friendly space out there.
hugs and welcome.
bye
j

>Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu


-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
               SILENCE = DEATH      Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
Give me life, Give me pain,         It just means use your imagination. 
Give me myself again.  Tori Amos.            Billy Bragg
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (James Carroll)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:36:19 GMT
Organization: CNS User Services, University of Delaware

In article <BzDEq6.KCo@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:

>Who needs bear codes anyway?
>I am about 5'10", have greenish eyes, and have been told that I look
>like James Spader.  

He does!  (This weekend it was confusing as hell when one guy kept
referring to Jim as James (Spader) and me as John (Cusack).

>jim
>-- 
>Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
>               SILENCE = DEATH      Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
>Give me life, Give me pain,         It just means use your imagination. 
>Give me myself again.  Tori Amos.            Billy Bragg 

-James

-- 
I'm feeling kinda loose, I'm feeling kinda mean       | First I was a murderer
I've been feeling kinda wild since I turned seventeen | Then I was a saint
- Melissa Etheridge, "Ain't It Heavy"                 | -The Glove,
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-jcarroll@brahms.udel.edu-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| "Like An Animal"
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:16:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:
>
>Doesn't anyone (other than the odd Ausie) want to visit Toronto?
>eh?

Hush, Nigel.  It's on my list, anyway.  Oh, and re: being oddly named
(yes, some of us were listening :-), you might be amused that the prime
reason I'd want to visit T-town is to visit *another* Nigel!  He's a
fundie.  Do I lose kudos round here for having such a friend?  Would it
help any if I say I think he once had a crush on me? .... I slept with
him once too, although not, ah, >like that<.  He jerked off, thinking I
was asleep (he still doesn't know I wasn't).  An amusing time to think
back to, now that I've opened the door to my own biness.

hugs, you probably rather snowbound one
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:29:25 GMT

In article <Bz33x4.FI2@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.000518.3111@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>>Darren
>>(6'3", dark short hair, green eyes, bisexual and horny as ....)
>swoon.  Omy you aren't coming up The northeastern direction are you?
>Green eyes? swoon again.


Hmmmm... now, if I go to Texas before I get to Delaware, I could
tell you all about it, couldn't I? *tease* *tease* *tease*

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:40:56 GMT

In article <29506@castle.ed.ac.uk> moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman) writes:
>RE: And is everyone so tall around here?
>I don't know about the others but I'm 5'10 and I _love_ being tall (and
>maybe its the only thing I'm not so insecure about...)

But is 5'10" really tall ?

Consider the the Scott (6'3") Wells Height-o-meter:

Short:  up to 6'
Average: 6'1" to 6'5"
Mutant: over 6'5"

So you see, at 5'10", you really aren't tall.

>
>*hugs* to all, tallbis and shortbis together.
>Mo

Hugs...


-- 
Scott Wells                        +  Get thee behind me Satan !
Internet: wells@athena.cs.uga.edu  + 
University of Georgia		   +  Looking for families: Wells, Fox (TN)
Athens, Georgia, USA               +  Coatney (TN), Wilvert (PA)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Oooh, am I miffed!
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:24:07 GMT

In <MlR=7x#@engin.umich.edu> rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:
>So, I'm walking along, I pass a group of folks, and pull up a stool.
>Then I hear them saying stuff like "Did you see that pin?  Imagine
>walking around saying 'I'm bisexual.'  Yuck!  What audacity!"
>So I look over, and yes, they were talking about ME.  I smiled
>demurel, got up, and found a much more bi-friendly environment...
>Here.  Hug me?

It's always *after* the event that one realises what one should have
said. Perhaps this response might be useful for next time:

Them:   "Did you see that pin?  Imagine walking around saying 'I'm
	bisexual.' Yuck!  What audacity!"
You:    I'm afraid you will have to be patient with me being bisexual.
	You see, I'm still a bit confused and undecided about my
	sexuality... In particular, I am undecided about whether I want
	to be a bigoted, stupid, gay asshole like you.

Of course, such a come-back line might be dangerous to your health :-(


Hugs,

Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Singing Queers
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:56:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec18.072152.5307@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:

[lots of queer musicians' names]

I heard rumours about Sarah MacLachlan, and don't forget the Depeche boys
(at least Martin, and Vince Clarke now of Erasure).

Pet Shop Boys, too.

If I think of any more, I'll let you know...

Drewcifer
-- 
***************************************************************************
** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
***************************************************************************
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: diana@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Diana Bental)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: anti-bi's
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:38:55 GMT
Reply-To: diana@aiai.UUCP (Diana Bental)
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In <1992Dec13.212221.14989@netcom.com> Andrew M. Solovay explains
Barb Moose's getting a bad reaction to a bi button as follows:

>3. A lot of lesbian culture is implicitly or explicitly anti-male
>   (viz. separatism). You're "sleeping with the enemy". I've
>   known gay men to be condescending and dismissive about
>   bisexuality, but rarely to be openly hostile. Most of the
>   bisexual women I know have gotten a lot of hostility from more
>   traditional lesbians.

This explanation is pernicious in two ways.

Firstly, I can't help wondering just how closely you listened to what
your female friends told you. There are big jumps from "separatist" to
"anti-male" to "hostile to bisexuals" to "traditional lesbian". You
presume that "implicitly or explicitly" they are all much the same
thing, but they are not. "Implicitly" was a sneaky word to use,
because if you make enough of these dubious equations then any lesbian
or separatist could be "implicitly" anti-male, anti-bi or
anti-anything-else, no matter *what* she is explicitly, and from your
third-hand account no-one can prove any different.

Secondly, although *some* lesbian separatists certainly do see men as
"the enemy", you neatly ignored the sexism, misogyny and offensive
behaviour from gay and bi men were that were among the main reasons
why lesbian separatists split off from the gay rights movement in the
first place.  To blame "lesbian culture" for being hostile to men and
to bisexual women is to let gay and bi men off the hook for their own
part in how that tradition of hostility came about --- and in how it
continues.

Perhaps simple sexism contributed to those gay men being hostile to a
woman wearing a bi button, eh? Maybe they took her for some ditsy dame
playing silly games, when they'd have taken a man more seriously.

Plenty of men badly want women's sexual and political support but they
*don't* want to earn them by, say, not being sexist.  It's much more
convenient for those men to point the finger at (some) lesbian
separatists who upset other women, while managing to ignore the
existence, the scope, the strength and the divisive effects of their
own sexist attitudes and behaviour.

All in all, it seems that the traditional stereotype of the man-hating
lesbian lives on in the bi movement. Thank you for your contribution
to its survival :-(.

Diana

That's "straight" as in "sword", Maeve.