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From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Miscarriage at 6.5 weeks
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:28:27 GMT

After spending two days on the couch with cramping and bleeding
I have had a miscarriage.  For some reason I had a sixth sense
that something was just not right.  I still have not gone
back to work since I am having lots of cramps.  I finally
took some advil this morning.  I thot that you would have
cramps and lot of bleeding and then it would be over.  Has
any one else had days of cramps and mild bleeding??  My
doctor said not to come in unless I was bleeding heavily
or bled longer than seven days.  We want to try again,
should we wait a while or try immediately.  How soon
can I expect my next period.  Sorry for all the questions,
but the doctor's office was not very helpful.  I was a little
disappointed in the cavelier way they treated my questions
over the phone.  I understand their viewpoint that this is a
common experience, but it't not common for my husband or me.
This was my second pregnancy but my husband's first.  He has
been very worried about me and I know he's disappointed.  I
am going to cook his favorite meal tonight.  Any suggestions
on how I can make his feel better?  THANKS for listening.
Luckily very few people know so  I don't have to tell a lot
of people the sad ending.  

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Ante-natal vitamins, other ravings
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:42:09 GMT
Organization: Mincom


Thanks to Paula Burch for posting an informed article about alcohol and
pregnancy. I still stand by my moderation posting. (I repeat: I DONT SMOKE,
I've had ONE glass of champers.) 
Of course, if you want to give everything up for lent, sorry, pregnancy,
do, but there's no need to make out its necessary.

Next question: vitamins. I have noticed a few mentions of ante-natal
vitamins. In the pregnancy books I have read (Australian based) they say
"American doctors always prescribe special pregnancy vitamins, but this is
not necessary for anyone with a healthy diet." (paraphrased). When I was
pregnant I took Iron tablets (I always hover on the verge of anaemia,
anyway). SO, are vitamin tablets compulsory in the US. I know noone who has
taken them here. [and our babies are healthy.] The advice here is to fix
your diet, if its not OK already.

:-) I could go on about how Americans always seem to go too far with
everything etc. and how you can never find milk to put in the (too strong)
coffee in American offices and have to have yukky powder or black coffee,
and what's wrong with your dairy industry anyway, and how silly to insist
that children over the age of two MUST have low-fat milk and lots more, but
I won't because I know (from meeting yanks here, and a couple of trips to
the US, that really you're very nice people, if a bit fanatical about
whatever you take on!) :-),:-),:-),:-),

Oh, oh - now I've done it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anita Graham
anita@mincom.oz.au
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:09:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep8.172737.14557@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin) writes...
> 
>What I was wondering was how much caffeine would/would not
>be considered safe during pregnancy?  I've consulted 

My doctor told me *no* caffeine, *no* alchohol (of course), and 
to cut down on my sinus medication as much as possible - now I
only take tavis D, one pill 3-4 times per week.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
Subject: Re: Pain Relief in Labor: Ben's Reply
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:48:00 GMT

In article <3564@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E.
Drake) writes:

> Ben, I thought our email discussion had made it clear, it was your
> _misinterpretation_ of my statement that set you off.

Judy, I thought our e-mail discussion had made it clear that your
original statement was, to use your word, "glib", and wide open to
misinterpretation. In any case, I think that requoting in a summation
post under the heading "RECAP" is a pretty reasonable thing to do.

Yes, your e-mail response clarified your position that epidurals carry
risks, but that you feel yours was positive and represented an informed
choice. Yes, I responded that you are perfectly entitled to make these
judgements for yourself. But I was not alone in my understanding of your
original statement, and your words are not going to go away because
you've decided in retrospect that it would have been better to phrase
them differently. They've had a major impact on the discussion.

As to the idea that Sheila Kitzinger was "probably referring to old
studies of out-moded practices, which would have no meaning for women
making decisions today", which is what Paula Burch actually
speculated -- no, there have been no dramatic changes in the risks or
benefits of anaesthesia in the last five years. The same drugs are
still used in the same way. Medical practice moves slowly. Five years
old is pretty fresh in the field.

Ben Wolfe
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pain Relief in Labour: Ben's Reply
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:07:55 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Sep15.130633.25973@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>
>>I am now two days overdue.  And yes I am tired of people, whether they are
>>strangers or not, telling me what to do.  I've by far had more people tell me
>>that I was crazy not to go for the epidural right away and save myself all the
>>pain and grief.  
>
>  Me too.  People think I'm stupid because I didn't have an epidural.

Actually, I would file this stuff away under "garbage that people tell
you when you're pregnant."  There is SO MUCH of that, ranging from,
"Labor doesn't feel much worse than premenstrual cramps" to "You're
carrying low so it's a boy" to "Your older child is going to kill the
baby when it gets here" to "It's harder to lose that weight the second
time around," etc. etc. etc.  I don't know what it is about having that 
big belly that prompts a need in others to give you advice.  After two 
babies and almost 19 months of pregnancy in the last few years, I 
learned to ignore most of it and make my own decisions.  (And, I learned 
it's best to take the net with a grain--no, make that a boulder--of salt ;^)

Judy Drake
From: dt@yenta.alb.nm.us (David B. Thomas)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
Date: 13 Sep 92 08:29:15 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:

>They promote the use of condoms and call it "safe sex."
>Some call it "safer sex."
>I call it "one great lie."

I'll have to respectfully beg to differ here.  Whether a given act is moral
or not, it is a fact that condoms reduce the chance of the spread of disease.

>Vain attempts to teach people that they can escape the consequences
>of immoral behavior are irresponsible.

Well I would certainly hope that an authority figure won't hand a condom to
a child and say "with this, all your worries are over -- go nuts!".

But let me try an analogy on you.  Would you agree that driving is a
dangerous activity?  I feel that it is... we certainly lose a lot of lives
to auto accidents.  Now...

			do you wear a seat belt?

						little david
-- 
Will hack Unix for food.
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:54:21 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Sep11.142159.2111@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>(Also, a trick for gettin a carseat in tight is to have an adult kneel
>on it while tightening the seatbelt.  Unfortunately, it will likely
>be tight enough to dent the upholstery, but I am willing to sacrifice
>my car interior for my kid's safety.  Besides, it's nothing compared
>to the years of cheerios, raisins and apple juice :)

This is what I did. A week later, I realized the seat was loose. I thought
maybe the belt was slipping. I checked and it wasnt. I put enough pressure on 
the upholstery that it compacted down enought to leave the seat loose. I
tightened it even more, and checked it every time we used it. I think I had
to tighten it about 4 or 5 times before it stopped compacting. This was
in the middle back seat, had probably been used  maybe 3 or 4 times before the
car seat. Now I have a nice ridge in the back seat, and a warm feeling that
Jeffrey is just a bit safer.

Laura Floom
From: brigid@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:02:05 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

In article <NLRZqB7w164w@glnserv.UUCP>, kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
 
> When I was in high school, we had a girl in our class who's name was
> Mary Ann Lisa. The teachers never knew if she had put her last name first
> (as requested on many of the forms) or not.

I have this problem as well. My name is Brigid Susan Grenfell Cherry,
so not only do I have a forename as a surname, I also have a middle
name which is a surname. I've been called everything from
Cherry Grenfell to Susan Cherry. I really like my name though and
refuse to bow to convention and use my husband's surname.

With respect to naming children I'm a bit annoyed because the names
I always thought I'd like to give my kids were 'stolen' by prominant
celebrities. If I had a boy I always thought I'd like to call him
Macauley (after James Stewart's character in The Philadelphia Story)
and then the Culkin sprog emerged. If I had a girl, it was to be
Beatrice (my maternal grandmothers name and my mum's middle name)
but then it was nicked by Andrew and Fergie.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
From: litt@wittenberg.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:08:23 -0400
Organization: Wittenberg University

In article <1992Sep11.160559.28991@cco.caltech.edu>, hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.160742.27333@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>>wwolf@zooid.guild.org (White Wolf) writes:
>>
>> * Furthermore, try and pretend that
>> * you're a cruel child and come up with any realy nasty nicknames you can ie 
>>
>>I'll have to paraphrase, but:
>>
>>   Marge: Rich?
>>   Homer: Nooooo, they'll call him Rich the Snitch
>>   Marge: Billy?
>>   Homer: Silly Billy...
>>   Marge: Dan?
>>   Homer: Danny Fanny...
>>   Marge: Bart?
>>   Homer: Uh... OK.
> 
> A couple of stories down these lines:
> 
> A couple tried to carefully choose a girl's name that could NOT be
> turned into anything nasty.  They finally chose Amber.  Their daughter
> hadn't been home more than a few days when her big brother cheerfully
> called out, "Hi Amberger!"
> 
> And then there's my youngest, Paul.  Not much that you can do with that
> one, right?  Sometimes I will call him Paulie, though.  Once I left the
> house saying, "Bye-bye, Paulie", and my 8-yr old daughter chimed in,
> "Bye-bye, Paulie-ester".
> 
> The moral?  That nothing is safe?  I don't buy it, though--notwithstanding 
> the stories, some names are just asking for trouble.
> 
> Sue (that's Susan, as in black-eyed, as in lazy)

Here's a fun one on cruelty on names:  My mother wanted to name me 
Kathleen or Catherine.  (Don't ask me why -- not the most Jewish sounding
names in the world)  She decided not to because my last name is Litt.  And, at
least in her day, "Kitty" was a popular nickname for those names.  Well, since
"Kitty Litter"  was not all that appealing to her, I ended up  Marcia.  
Anyway, the moral of the story is that sometimes it is useful to think of the
possible nicknames>  (Of course, Marcia from Mars was used on me for a while
until I corrected my classmates on the planet)

*Don't mind me - I'm new here*
						marcia litt
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: Puppy Surprise
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:57:16 GMT
Distribution: na
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11b by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep11.151208.20292@ttinews.tti.com>  reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
> Let me get this straight.  You bought the toy knowing that it might
> have only three puppies, it said so on the box, and when it did, you
> felt you had been cheated?

The box says 3, 4 or 5, and I believe that the box shows a picture of 5. A 
five year old does not understand that most of the boxes will actually have 
3. This is not a $5 or $10 doll, it goes for $30 in most stores.  If they 
want to surprise you, then let it just be figuring out how many boys and how 
many girls you're getting (they do that, too, and the colors).  You don't 
run the risk of upsetting a child who doesn't know from such marketing 
ploys.  I should mention that a stockperson at one of the stores we were at 
said that people have gone thru their stock looking for dolls with 5 pups, 
in the store.  It seems to me that by not giving out the same amount, or 
honoring what is not a completely unreasonable request for the rest of them 
by mail, they are asking for trouble with returns to the various stores that 
sell them.  

In any event, it will be gone within 6 months, these things are always just 
fads.  

BTW, the only private response I've had so far showed a pink dog with 3 
pups, and a neighbor with a brown dog with 4. Their first choice was pink 
but the local store was out of that color (most popular = less pups???).  

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:34:47 GMT

ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
: 
: > I live in Toronto area and I pay my sister $17/day to watch my son.
: > This is considered a good rate, most I hear of are $100 for private
: > daycare.
: > 
: > Also I have daycare where I work, their rates are:
: > $770 for infant
: > $650 for toddler (18+ months)
: > $550 preschool age.
: 
: Is that a week?  A day?  A month?  What?

A month.

Cath:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:48:51 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?

In article <Bu4EKs.95s@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy
Brown) says:
>
>I'm only 6-8 weeks along, but starting to look into daycare.  I
>plan to return to work full-time.
>
>One place I called charges $18/day, another $20/day.  At both
>places the parents supply milk/formula and diapers.
>
>I'm curious, what do other people pay for daycare?
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Peggy -

Douglas is in a private (for profit) daycare center.  The charge for infants is
$140/wk--you supply everything, diapers, bottles, lunch, bedding.  The charge
is slightly lower for toddlers (over 20 mos.), about $120/wk, and another $20
lower for pre-school.  The center is very good, has excellent staff, and with
the exception of Doug's room this summer, very low turnover (something about
those 9-15 month olds).  In the infant rooms the caregiver ratio is 1 to 3.

There was a waiting list for the youngest infant room, and occasionally waits
for other rooms.  Doug will be moving to a different center this fall sometime,
closer to home.  That center only charges $85/wk for infants, but receives some
subsidy from the state/county.  It provides lunch.

You might want to investigate the possibility of part time care for a few
months when you first return.  Either part days, or alternate days.  My center
allows either and has a lower rate for less than 25 hrs/wk.  Also, remember
that at most centers you pay whether your kid is there or not--if s/he is sick
or on vacation you still pay for the time.

Happy hunting.

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Family Bed
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:59:55 GMT

In a recent misc.kids article, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) wrote:
>
>We've discussed how to make a huge family bed area, but haven't taken
>any steps to do it yet (we might make one small bedroom all
>mattresses).  I like having us all sleeping in one bedroom. 

There's one thing I've always wondered about a family bed. I realize that
adults can find other places to have sex, but what about kids? 

Alison discovered the joys of masturbation when she was about 3. It
took considerable effort to teach her that this was a private pleasure.
I know that she used it as a mechanism for falling back asleep for years.
She still may, for all I know. I don't think I would have been comfortable
sleeping with her in a family bed and having her wake up and start
masturbating. 

So how do people with a family bed handle this sort of thing.

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
From: connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:36:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA


My practitioners said limit caffeine to the equivalent of 2 cups of
coffee a day, but I have been consuming less than that during pregnancy.

Although I'm not all that concerned about caffeine harming the baby
(the evidence so far indicates that caffeine is pretty safe), I really
hate the idea of jazzing the baby, who can't yet tell me if it makes
him uncomfortable.
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From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 08:49:40 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

> As the possessor of an unusual (okay maybe I'm the only one) name, I
> never cared much about having to correct people or getting teased
> about my name.  I've been called everything imaginableably (is that a
> word? is now ;-)close to my name, including Chevron, Caravan, Kervin,
> ad nauseum.
>
> My favorite is when people say,  "What an unusual name, I've never
> heard that before!".  And I respond with, "Strange, I've heard it all
> my life!".  ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> I've always tried to have fun iwth the fact that my name is different
> from everyone else's.
>
> Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)

I agree about enjoying the uniqueness of an unusual name. As for those
who've said they can't find any monogramed items with their name on it, go
to a craft store and make whatever you want. You can buy paints, iron-on
letters, and many other items to monogram everything you own, and have fun
doing it.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: GINA@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:20:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.193626.12945@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
 
>In article <BuBoEK.4rI@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>>My opinion is to give the child an unusual name if you want, but
>>pick one that is distinctive (not easily confused with a common
>>name) and is pronounced the way its spelled.
>>
>>Don't give the child a name that will be a burden.
>>
>>- Peggy -
>
>For the first six or eight years I was in school, my name was *always*
>mispronounced by teachers the first time they saw it.  Never bothered
>me.  I just corrected them and went on -- it really was ok with me.
 
This usually works, but not always.  My second-grade teacher willfully
mispronounced my name for the entire year.  She's the one who started
me down the Evil Path of viewing teachers as target practice.  And my
brother, who went by his middle name for about twenty-five years, _did_
get tired of correcting people and now uses his first name instead.  I
wouldn't name a son Spock or Data, but Geordi seems okay.
 
Gina
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Math: Estimating vs Real Thing
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:01:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> jsco@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (J. S. Comeaux) writes:
>My 5th grader is learning ESTIMATING , and I am p.o.'d because I think 
>the school should teach accurate mathematics  rigorously 
>until it is second nature.

I think that schools need to teach accurate arithmetic (which isn't
mathematics) rigorously until it is second nature.

I also think that the ability to estimate is invaluable--and I'm
impressed that your school is teaching it.  Lots of times, you only
need an approximate value.  People need to learn that it's okay to get
a "close" answer.  

I use estimation for: figuring my gas mileage, budgeting cash,
exchanging American for foreign currency, keeping track of how much
I'm spending at the grocery store, figuring my share of a dinner bill,
figuring a waiter's tip, determining if an itemized bill is close to
correct...I could go on and on.  F

rom a student-point-of-view, it's also useful for determining if the
answer to a precise arithmetic problem is correct.  On SAT/ACT type
tests, it's often possible to use estimation to rule out 2 or 3 of the
possible answers.

A friend of mine who taught remedial math (non-credit college course)
to adults at a not-very-good-college said that lots of them couldn't
do estimations--and most adults need to estimate more often than they
need precise arithmetic.

So, I'd encourage your daughter to do the estimations--and explain to
her some of the ways in which estimation is useful.  Next time you
fill your gas tank, ask her to compute MPG for you.  When you go out
to eat, ask her how much the tip should be.  Once she realizes how
useful it is, she might not agonize over it so much.


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu