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From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert)
Subject: Re: average club hitting distances
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:37:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ISCA

In article <12373@inews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>In article <BrpvH1.GCJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ewolfe@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (eric andrew wolfe) writes:
>>Just out of curiosity, when people say "I hit my 5 iron about 175
>>yards," are they talking about on the fly, or are they including roll
>>(i.e., the total distance of the shot)?
>
>Total.  It's the distance you have to walk before you get
>to hit it again.
>

I don't think so.  I figure my iron distances by carry only.  I base my club
selection when between clubs on how far I HAVE to carry the ball -- I prefer
to hit a bit harder than a bit softer, since I'm more consistent that way.  For
example, when playing earlier today I had a par 3 of 180 yards with a slight
wind I figured was worth about a club.  There was water in front of and to the
left of the green, and the pin was cut front left, so I really had about 175
yards, putting me between a 7 and a 8 when I account for the wind.  I knew I
*had* to hit it 170 no matter what, but that would be pretty much how far I'd
hit an 8 if I'm with a wind that'll give an extra 10 yards, so I figured if I
hit a bit harder than normal I'll certainly be safe.

If I didn't know how far I hit my irons on the fly I wouldn't be able to figure
things out so exactly, and would probably have been forced to go with a 7-iron
just be sure I cleared the water.

Oh, in case you're wondering how the shot worked out, it kinda worked.  Landed
exactly pin high...in the rough to the right of the green, leading to a bogey,
thanks to my wonderful putting touch today...:-(

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ewolfe@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (eric andrew wolfe)
Subject: Links 386 Pro
Originator: ewolfe@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:27:50 GMT

Since there was some discussion of this earlier, I thought people
might want to know that the new 386-specific version of Links is out
(I got my special introductory offer today in the mail).  The little
advert card says it features higher resolution (640x400x256 colors or
640x480x256), keeps statistics, has a "computer opponent" feature
(which even allows you to "pre-record" games in order to play against
other people in different places), offers more flexible viewing
screens, etc.

So has anyone out there actually played this yet?  I do like the
original Links, and this looks even better.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: YAGR (ball in tree)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:29:22 GMT

ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington) writes:

>Anybody know what happens if your ball stops in a tree?  Do you treat
>is an an unplayable lie?  Can you shake the tree?

If you can identify the ball, you can declare it unplayable.  If you can't
find it or you see a ball, but can't identify it, it is lost and you have
to play it as a lost ball.

>I seem to remember something in the US Open at Pebble Beach with Faldo
>shaking or climbing a tree to get his ball.  I never found out how it
>all worked out.

He never found the ball and had to go back and play another under penalty
of stroke and distance.  He made a triple-bogey on the hole.

John Vander Borght
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From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: "Gimmes"  (was Re: Another Rules Question)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:40:29 GMT

While we're on the subject, during match play I think it would be
interesting to be able to offer your opponent a "gimme" for either one
or two strokes.

Something like "I'll give you a two putt from there."  Your opponent
then has to decide what his chances of one or three putting are before
deciding to pick it up and taking the two put.  Of course, you have to
make the same judgement before offering the two put.

Or not.

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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Ruling Question
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:40:58 GMT

nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
>Is there not a rule about conspiring to break the rules?
>So if someone helps you break the rules then they have 
>also broken a rule? In this case the players giving the
>club would be guilty of a rule breach.

Yes, Rule 1-3  Players shall not agree to exclude the operation of any Rule
or to waive any penalty incurred.  Penalty is Disqualification of all
parties involved.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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From: mcole@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Balata Golf Balls
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:23:45 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <711595548.F00002@tdkt.kksys.com>, David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
> Anyone out there who uses Balata golf balls on their regular golf outings? I
> tried out one of these balls on the course the other day.  Amazing bite and
> backspin on the greens---too bad they are expensive and not as durable as
> Surlyn. Comments??
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  * Origin: Dark Knight's Table BBS -- Minnetonka, MN (1:282/31)

I love to use Balata covered golf balls.  I usually keep a sleeve in 
my bag for special occations.  I like Titleist tour 90's.  The big 
difference I think is on and around the greens.  I seem to put much 
better with Balata's.  They do wear quickly.  I have some square grooved
clubs that really rip into the cover of most soft to medium soft golf 
balls.  A Balata ball will last me about 9 holes and that can get 
expensive.  Normally I use Titleist DT 90's which I find are much more
durable and last me longer and isn't as ROCK-HARD as Ultra's or Top-Flite's.


Michael P. Cole
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re:  Ruling Question
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:08:01 GMT
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

In article <clyde_r.1@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> clyde_r@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (CLYDE REA) writes:
>Martin Olivera:
>
>You are quoting from an outdated "Rules of Golf".  You need to get the
>1992 edition.
>
>Rule 4-4 was amended in 1992 to prohibit the borrowing of a club from "any
>other person playing on the course".  
>
>In the question as posted, borrowing a competitor's or partner's club, 
>whether or not it is returned to that person for further use, is in 
>violation of rule 4-4.

Wow! Thanks for letting me know!. I carry in my bag the 1992 Rules Book, and
carry the 1991 Rules Book in my briefcase (I refer to the latter when posting
to this group). I apologize if I caused confusion. (At least I should've
xeroxed the pages from the 1992 book that highlight the changes from the
previous year).

Thanks once again for pointing my error.

Martin
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Ruling Question
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:45:30 GMT

I know this isn't a great question, but maybe someone could help me:

I am a lefty golfer (about 12 handicap).  I am not great but better than
average.  I was playing for money with my friends yesterday and had a crap
lie, that was impossible for a lefty to hit it, but easy for a righty.  So, 
I asked one of my friends to borrow a wedge (he is righty). Everybody was
laughing and such.  I am kind of ambidextorous and have experience swinging
a club righty.  Anyway, I was about 100 yards away and put the ball about 10
feet from the stick.  The laughing immediately stopped and they called foul
saying I was in the wrong using someone elses club.

Is that illegal???  My opponent gave me the club to use with consent.

Outcome:  I told them to shove it, that it was too impressive (I couldn't 
do it again if I tried) to call illegal.  Sank the putt to double the 
stakes, and walked off with my team winning $12.

Thanks in advance!!!
==========================================================================  
Christopher Gattuso			

gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
Motorola, Inc.
Schaumburg, Illinois

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 and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: gturk@bnr.ca (Glenn Turk P925)
Subject: Re: Hole Rating and Handicap question
Reply-To: gturk@brtph617.bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:29:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.231132.7356@ncar.ucar.edu>, ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
|> 
|> Given my new found understanding of handicapping, thanks to the net, I have
|> a question. It would appear that rating the holes on a course from 1 to 18
|> would have no useful purpose. The don't figure in to the handicap or calculation
|> of net score.

True, except in the case of an incomplete round (due to weather, etc.)
where 13+ holes were completed.  The scores on the remaining holes can
be inferred based on HCP rating and the player's handicap.

If I am a 10 HCP and finish 15 holes and stand at 8 over par (after
equitable stroke control) and the remaining holes have handicaps of
14, 8, 2  I would score Par-Bogey-Bogey for a score of 10 over.

|> So my question is why are holes individually ranked?

In order to place the strokes in match play.  e.g. If I am a 10 handicap
and you are a 6 then I would receive 4 strokes from you, on the holes 
ranked 1,2,3, and 4.  Note that most courses use an odd/even split
across the nines so that I would get 2 on each side.

-- 
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From: filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:30:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Switch-hitting  (WAS Re: Ruling Question)
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

   This not uncomon. A lot of pros can do this quite well. When
   taking lessons the pro did just that and hit a shot as wellas
   I can normally. Saw Tom Kite do it in a tournment. The ball was on the
   left hand side of the fairway on the edge of a water hazzard. He
   would have had to stand in the water about three feet below the
   ball. He turned a club over and hit a wonderful shot.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: cgp@Arco.COM (Chris Phillips  (214) 754-6419)
Subject: Re: ABC Mud mouths (was Re: TV coverage )
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:18:53 GMT

In article <colinm.711809243@cunews> colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes:
>  ABC should be banned from covering ANY golf tournament.
>
>  Let's get McCord and crew over the Atlantic next time.  More experience,
>better coverage and more fun to watch.

While I don't want to get into who has the best announcers (I
can usually tell what's going on just by looking at my TV), I
will add that I prefer to *watch* ABC's coverage.  Think about it:

	1) ABC telecasts more hours of play so you see basically
	   the leaders' entire rounds.
	2) ABC gives 18-hole coverage so you see the whole course
	   (and yes one reason I watch is to see the great courses).

Another difference is that ABC favors a foot-soldier, stay-with-the-leaders
approach while CBS's is more of a back-nine, more-faces approach.
I also think that the latter approach results in showing more
putts I'd rather not see, although this is a minor factor.

Someday I'd like to see what the front nine of the Augusta National
looks like...

Chris
From: ewing@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (David Ewing)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Cook blows British Open
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:21:52 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1992Jul21.012837.2655@cs.su.oz.au> tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:

>	What is the record # of British Open victories for any player?

Harry Vardon won 6.

>	(also, the 3 American Majors + overall aggregates?)
Masters -- Nicklaus with 6
PGA -- Nicklaus with 5 (???)
U.S. Open ???

>	Faldo just turned 35 + has won 6 majors (I think) 
>	3 Opens, 1 US Open, 2 Masters.

Faldo has won "only" 5 majors -- 3 Opens and 2 Masters.  Note:  this
is identical to Seve Ballesteros.

Dave Ewing
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: YARQ (Yet Another Rules Question)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:00:12 GMT

sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely) writes:

>Also, I don't see a specific decision on this, so the following is merely my
>educated (?) guess.

>If you were playing a stroke play event, where everyone playing in the league
>that night is competing, that makes the person that lifted the marker an
>outside agency.  There is no penalty ON ANYONE.  Replace you ball as near as 
>possible and proceed.
>(Decision 20-1/9 states that a ball-marker lifted by an outside agency is
>replaced, no penalites)

>If you were playing a match against the other team, the player moving the
>marker would be subject to a 1 stroke penalty.
>(Decision 20-1/7 states that if an opponents caddie accidentaly moved the
>marker, the player incurs a penalty stroke)

>Can anyone find a more specific ruling, or phrase in the rule book?

Those are the rulings that matter.  The decision 20-1/7 applies whether it was
your caddie or you that made the mistake.

Also, Rules 18-3 and 18-4 tell you what to do if your ball is moved by
either your opponent or fellow competitor, these also apply to the ball
marker, since it represents the position of the ball.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: Hitting straight
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:59:11 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-23-92 11:23

A(> From: andy@ee.man.ac.uk (Andrew Nisbet (PhD))
A(> Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
A(> Subject: Re: Hitting straight
A(> Date: 22 Jul 92 08:59:16 GMT
A(> Reply-To: andy@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Andrew Nisbet (PhD))

A(> >I've been playing golf for about 5 years now, but only recently 
have I started
A(> >taking it very seriously.  I'm decent with club distance, chipping, putting,
A(> >etc, but my BIG problem is hitting the ball without slice, especially off
A(> >the tee.
A(> >
A(> A slice can be caused by many faults in the grip, stance or swing. If you want
A(> to eradicate this slice and get a reliable repeating swing I would recommend
A(> reading ``The Modern Fundamentals Of Golf'' by Ben Hogan (it worked for me). 
A(> The publisher used to be Kaye and Ward in the UK but I think it might be Simon
A(> and Schuster now. 
A(> 
A(> Andy.

     It IS Simon & Schuster. The clarity of the writing is 
unsurpassed. The book describes all the elements of the swing very 
clearly. As presented, I think Hogan stands too tall but you couldn't 
go wrong trying to emulate his swing. And this from a book first 
published in 1957.
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From: jgholm@wacky.crhc.uiuc.edu (John G. Holm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: YAGR (yet another golf ruling)
Date: 30 Jul 1992 11:37:48 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: wacky.crhc.uiuc.edu

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>In article <ILH.92Jul29085505@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu> ilh@lcs.mit.edu writes:

>>In article <n-nmxj.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>   [200 yards shot.]  As this magnificent shot was coming to
>>   a stop (but *before* it stopped), a local gull swooped down upon it,
>>   snatched it up, and deposited it into a nearby lake.  Painful as it
>>   was, he asked for, and abided by, the appropriate rule (19-1), and took
>>   the penalty without further ado.

>>Rule 19-1. By Outside Agency
>>  If a ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any
>>`outside agency', it is a `rub of the green', no penalty is incurred
>>and the ball shall be played as it lies except:
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>    a. If a ball in motion after a `stroke' other than on the `putting
>>  green' comes to rest in or on any moving or animate outside agency,
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                       it didn't.

The ball had come to rest in the claws (or beak) of an outside
angency, the gull.  It had not been mearly defelcted or stopped.
An important distinction has to be made between deflection
and carrying the ball.  If defelction of a moving ball includes
animals picking up and caryying it, then a well trained dog would be
the golfers best friend.  The dog could pick up the ball and
put it in the hole.

I think a. applies.  I'm not an official and have no idea how
the USGA would rule.

John Holm
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mike)
Subject: Hitting straight
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:02:07 GMT

I've been playing golf for about 5 years now, but only recently have I started
taking it very seriously.  I'm decent with club distance, chipping, putting,
etc, but my BIG problem is hitting the ball without slice, especially off
the tee.

From what I gather, correcting a slice is something that a great many golfers
have to do at some point.  I hope that instead of having to enlist the
aid of a pro, I might be able to get pointer or two from any of you to
help me eliminate my slice.

Any suggestions???

Mike

e-mail: mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
physical location: In the trees on the right side of the fairway. 8-).

-- 

					-- Mike

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: TV coverage (Was: Cook blows British Open)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:10:17 GMT

: > networks should take polls on what announcers people like.  I personally
: > thought Jim McKay's comments were pathetic -- he obviously doesn't know
: > much about the game.  
I couldn't agree more.  McKay was particularly sickening at the beginning of
Sunday's coverage of the U.S. Open at Pebble beach.  He was walking around the
course with some little kid, expounding about this and that.  Overdramatized
drivel.
: 	My vote is for Gary McCord, I really enjoyed his commentary at the  
: Masters.
I could't disagree more.  McCord is a loose cannon.  His cutesy terminology
is annoying at best.  They should fire him, that way he can go back to missing
cuts.
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From: gusick@Morgan.COM (Robert Gusick)
Subject: Final Results: WOMEN'S U.S. OPEN
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., Inc., NY NY
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:27:08 GMT

Results of 18 hole Women's US Open playoff
Sheehan:	+1 (72)   WINNER
Inskter:	+3 (74)

The match wasn't as close as the score, with
Inkster picking up 2 strokes late in the match.
From: mcole@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Question: Reg or Stiff Shafts ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:11:05 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1992Jul23.160206.27843@wdl.loral.com>, bll@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Brad Loney) writes:
> I'm going to be buying a new set of Irons and Wood's (Metal Shafts).  
> I'm confused about what kind of shaft to get with my new clubs.  The Pro shops
> in my area seem to be of no help.
> 
> What determines the shaft stiffness you should you select ?  
> 
> I'm 35 years old, 6 ft tall 175 lbs and semi-athletic.  Friends tell me I have
> a smooth swing.  I hit a 7 iron around 150 yards.
> 
> Thanks in advance !
> 
> Brad Loney

Generally I feel that your size and strength should come in to play here.  
Since you are fairly big and semi-athletic,  I think your best bet would
be stiff shafts.  I just recently switched from regular to stiff and I am
5'9" and 145.  I also hit a 7 iron about 150, but I have been playing 
pretty seriously for 10 years now.  The stiff shaft really helped me with
my acuracy, especially with the longer irons and woods.  


Michael P Cole
From: andereck@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: practice makes perfect????
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:55:31 EDT

I have a question/problem regarding improvement or lack of it through
practice.  I am currently about a 10 hcp player who peaked at about 7
a couple of years ago.  Whenever I go out to practice, which is maybe 4
times per week, I start out hitting reasonable, but not great, shots.
Then I begin working on finding some "swing key" that gets me hitting
much better shots.  Normally, however, this only works well for a few
swings and then I either somehow return to the previous problem or find
some new, more creative way to hit mediocre shots.  If I do happen to 
find a key thought that works for a lot of shots that day it seems that
the next time I come out that thought doesn't work at all, period.  I
simply cannot seem to find anything that works for a reasonable length of
time.  Is this a common problem?  Is there any hope?  All suggestions
are welcome.

Dave Andereck
andereck@mps.ohio-state.edu
From: leonard@mpd.tandem.com (Leonard Toohey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Bio-degradable Golf Tees
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:24:43 GMT
Reply-To: leonard@norma.UUCP (Leonard Toohey)
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Jul21.154628.11635@gdstech.grumman.com> billd@gdstech.grumman.com (Bill D'Camp) writes:
>I am trying to find a company named Bio/T or Bio/Tee who have developed a
>completely bio-degradable golf tee.  There was a documentary made about
>them which was seen by a friend.  I have no idea where they are located,
>but would like information on how to contact them.
>
>Thanks for any help.

K-Mart has them.
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From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:39:33 GMT
Subject: Re: greenhorn (not) learning to swing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.