HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Southwell (was Re: Edinburgh)
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:48:20 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1851@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> jmb@ukc.ac.uk (Mike Bremner) writes:
[ I wrote ...]
>>	Can't answer for Shrewsbury, but everyone I know [including, if not
>>natives, at least residents] pronounces Southwell "Suthle" ["uth" as in
>>"other"].  I've *never* heard it pronounced "Southall".
>Curiouser and curiouser.  I pronounce "Southall" as "Suthle".  Am I
>wrong?

	Can't answer that, either, but your version sounds reasonable.
I assumed that Nick Taylor meant that Southwell is commonly pronounced
"Southorl";  if he had meant that it is pronounced in the same way that
people who know the local pronunciation of Southall pronounce Southall,
as opposed to the way in which the rest of us pronounce Southall [to
wit, as spelled] then he might just as well have said that Southall is
commonly pronounced "Southwell", or equivalently that many people think
that Southwell is pronounced "Southwell", whereas really [in his opinion,
which differs from mine] Southwell should be pronounced as spelled, and
we'd all have been confused.  Wouldn't we?

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik)
Subject: Re: translating email address
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:55:15 GMT

es_lewis@rcvie.co.at (Stephen Lewis) writes:

>Hi, can anyone help me with deciphering a UK email address.  A friend of mine
>is supposedly connected to the internet, but I cannot manage to send him
>email from here.

>his address is:
>"cbs%uk.ac.univ.computer::moore_jj at janet"

That's the format for a CBS (Coloured Book Software) mail address, when
you're mailing from a VAX within the UK.  The equivalent in ordinary Internet
terms is:
   moore_jj@computer.univ.ac.uk
or, if your local Stateside mailer isn't very smart:
   moore_jj%computer.univ.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
which explicitly routes it to the NSF<->JANET relay.

HOWEVER ... that address is not a real address.  Where "univ" is, should
be the domain name of his university, and "computer" is the computer he
uses.  In other words, you have the equivalent of
"moore_jj@net.address.goes.here" -- he hasn't given you his address at all,
just the general format.

By the way, when he sends back, he will have to say:
   CBS%NSFNET-RELAY::AT.CO.RCVIE::ES_LEWIS
to get mail to you.  Coloured Book Software still requires explicit routing
I believe.

- David Librik
librik@cory.Berkeley.edu
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Reports from political conventions
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:47:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
>In article <qyRBsB6w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>,
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>
>> Can anyone post a summary of what happened at the LDem, Labour and Tory
>> conventions?  Please post.
>>
>Certainly: The Libdems were ignored by the rest of the country (perhaps
>Matthew can fill in the details.)

If you really want to know the LibDem conference was notable
for the end of the stifling deference towards the leadership
which has existed in the party since the Lib-SDP merger. Even
the leadership is beginning to notice that the authoritarian
constitution imposed on the party in a desperate attempt to
persuade David Owen to join it has resulted in an organisation
that does not have the vitality of the old Liberal Party.

There was a real sense of anger that the party has been moved
to the right by a non-elected clique surrounding the leader a
just the time when right-wing policies have demonstratably
failed the nation. The present situation could have been a real
opportunity for the LibDems to take the lead had they not
compromised themselves by letting the leader's clique adopt
sub-Tory (and in some cases ultra-Tory) policies.

Matthew Huntbach
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Free Trade (was Re: Currency Problems)
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:58:44 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1bfnftINN7is@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> But now you're only talking about transport, and the pollution it
> causes.   

That's because I was replying to Simon's challenge to justify a statement I
made which was solely about transport. If you want to assert that deep-mining 
is more polluting than open-cast mining plus trans-atlantic transport, fine. I
wouldn't be able to refute you absolutely, but I believe that you would be
wrong. 
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.080725.25317@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
>>In article <1992Oct1.190901.17880@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>>
>>> Lest you think I am one of these people that expects obsequious service
>>> and "Have a Nice Day" constantly -- hardly!
>>> I just think I should be treated with a modicum of respect by people
>>> who are trying to get my money.
>>
>>Ah, but you're making the assumption that going shopping or out for
>>dinner in Britain is supposed to be an enjoyable experience. It's
>>not. You're supposed to sit through abominable service, get soup
>>spilled on you, have rude waiters ignore you, and then--when you're
>>asked if you've enjoyed your meal that tasted like polystyrene
>>peanuts--reply, "Gosh! Rather!" Then you fork out two months'
>>salary and stagger to the nearest vomitorium.
>
>I don't think the British should be blamed for rude service in
>British restaurants. In London at least both cooking and
>service is invariably done by foreigners, quite often ones who
>don't speak English.
>

Not!!  I was never given poor service by any 'foreigner' in
London.  Or anywhere else in the UK.  Rudeness is not something
you've had to import.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: rwe11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Richard Earnshaw)
Subject: Re: Reports from political conventions
Reply-To: rwe11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Richard Earnshaw)
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:06:46 GMT

In article <qyRBsB6w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>,
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
|> ATTENTION BRITONS!!
|> 
|> Can anyone post a summary of what happened at the LDem, Labour and Tory
|> conventions?  Please post.
|> 
|> BTW, Nick and Jon, I haven't forgotten your challenge.
|> 
|> DSY - Loyal to God,Queen and country.
|> 
|> Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
|> userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
|> God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
|> Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain

Conventions? I don't seem to remember any of those taking place.

Oh! you mean the conferences.  Well....

At the Lib Dem conference a lot of silly people stood up and said some
boring things

At the Labour conference a lot of boring people stood up and said some 
silly things

At the Tory conference a lot of comedians stood up and said some outragously
funny things.

Richard.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Root and Toth (was Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:36:20 GMT

pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:
|> My theory is that Dave Yadalee is Henry Root.
				     ^^^^^^^^^^

Translation for Americans: Laszlo Toth.

Does anyone know if the Root Letters or the first Toth book came first, and
if they know of each other's work?  There's an obvious copying, which
neither seems to acknowledge.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
97 more days of Bush Presidency!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: matthew@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel)
Subject: Re: First Direct vs. High St. banking
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Cambridge, UK
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:08:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.204835.2078@pierrot.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:
   ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) wrote:
   (  First Direct obviously talk only about the things that you can do just as
    ) easily with them as with a High Street bank. Are they omitting to mention any
   (  services that they cannot provide, or which are more hassle ?

   Ah, I know what the /real/ pain is.  Sometimes, about once in twenty calls
   perhaps, when you've finished doing something with them on the phone they 
   will ask you `just before you go' whether you're interested in this product 
   or that, or whether you've received this advert from them yet, and whether 
   you want to do something about it.  It's a bit like double-glazing salesmen, 
   on a call for which you're paying, but if you're up to saying `no' quickly 
   and ignoring it it can be lived with.

Interesting - I've been with them over two years now and they've never done
that to me; there wasn't a box on the application form saying "no adverts
please" was there?  All I ever get at the end is "Thankyou for calling".  Or
maybe they think my credit rating isn't up to having a 5000 quid loan or
whatever :-)


Matthew
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:45:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.002430.1222@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.205349.12697@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
> >
> >In article <1992Oct8.172631.3068@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes...
> >> 
> >>My SO, on the other hand, has completely lost patience with the
> >>pace and quality of service in the UK, *and* he is completely
> >>smoke-intolerant.  Luckily we didn't have to eat out together
> >>very many times.  :-)  He also created quite a ruckus at the
> >>village whist drive by requesting that the girl at his table
> >>not inhale in his face.  I wanted to slide under the table.
>       ^^^^^^
>       I meant 'exhale'!
> >> 
> >He should try getting a copy of Eat, Sleep and Drink smoke free
> >published by ASH UK
> >
> 
> He says he'd just rather stay in California.  Not very many
> encounters with smokers around here. 

That's sad.

Simon.

-- 
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  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
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From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Southwell (was Re: Edinburgh)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:50:53 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1992Oct8.122911.7950@cs.hw.ac.uk> nick@cs.hw.ac.uk
(Nick Taylor) writes:
>And if you want some real fun ask a Brit to pronounce Shrewsbury or Southwell.
>You'll get the oh so clever responses of Shrowsbury and Southall. The natives
>of these places pronounce them as they are spelt however.

	Can't answer for Shrewsbury, but everyone I know [including, if not
natives, at least residents] pronounces Southwell "Suthle" ["uth" as in
"other"].  I've *never* heard it pronounced "Southall".  Or were you
thinking of some other Southwell than the commuter town near Nottingham
["Nottingum", not "Narding Ham"]?

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Does being Tory mean you're Thick
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:53:26 GMT
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <14OCT199212293233@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
|> 
|> What is your evidence for that statement?  I know that's what the Mail, Sun,
|> Star, Express constantly claim in their editorials "it's bad but it would 
|> be worse under Labour", but where is the justification?

Wilson, Callaghan, a loony whose name escapes me, and Kinnock.

jon.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Free Trade (was Re: Currency Problems)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:42:18 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct8.094857.23893@osf.org>, sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.151845.9329@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> Certainly. Virginia is in the USA. To get coal from Virginia to the UK involves
>> burning fuel of whatever type it is that heavy container ships use for a week
>> or two. To then get by lorry from Liverpool (say) to the power station involves
>> 1000 or so lorries on a journey of an hour (at least). Not only do they
> 
> Why do you have to use lorries? What's wrong with rail? I believe they
> normally run rails to the major ports.
> 
If it's too expensive to ask BR to run a train five miles between coal mine and
power station it is certainly too expensive to ask them to run a train between
the port and the power station. Remember Simon, I'm replying to you assertion
that it is more expensive to transport coal from a nearby coal mine than from
the other side of the Atlantic.

And since this last post of mine was about comparative pollution costs I think
you'll agree that running a train from port to power station costs more in
pollution than running a train from mine-just-up-the-road to power station,
even before we add on the sea crossing.
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Cities with 7 hills (was Responding to the Nick and Jon challenge
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:00:25 GMT

Bernard BELL <BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
: In-Reply-To: luchini@nhmfl.fsu.edu (Marco Luchini)
: >
: >In-Reply-To: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca's message of Wed, 14 Oct 92 05:38:1
: >In article <k7TmsB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
: >(Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
: >>
: >> Read Revelations 17:7-9.  Quoting verses 9 to 14:
: >>
: >>  quote deleted
: >>
: >> Rome is the only city that I know of that has 7 hills.
: >
: >Tallahassee, FL, is also built on seven hills. 

: Edinburgh also has seven hills and is  much more pleasant than Rome.

	So does Antananarivo

	Richard Pennell History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:31:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.111649.6689@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
> Finally -- It occurs to me that no one has yet mentioned what I see as
> the only strong argument against government ownership of industry, and
> that is the fact (and method) of the privatisations themselves.  Any
> sensible private company that wanted to dispose of bits of itself would
> KEEP the profitable bits, and flog off the unprofitable ones --
> precisely the reverse of government methodology. 

Ummm, have you read what Sears is doing at the moment? (Selling its
profitable financial service side and keeping its unprofitable retail
side, if you hadn't heard).

Simon.

PS Not that I am trying to construct an arguement for government ownership.

-- 
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From: colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VNS: Thu 8-Oct-1992
Keywords: The European (was VNS,news)
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:52:16 GMT
Reply-To: colin@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Oct8.105407.21910@rdg.dec.com> evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME) writes:
>     Mrs Thatcher has stirred things up at the Conservative Party Conference
>     by writing an article in todays European [...]

What?! Is this paper still running? I thought it had closed yonks ago!

Otherwise, how come the last few issues of Private Eye that I've seen
not listed sightings of piles of said soggy press?

C.

--
|Colin Millerchip           | "And all this science I don't understand,|
|University of Queensland,  |  It's just my job five days a week"      |
|Brisbane, Australia.       |   - "Rocketman", Elton John              |
|colin@cs.uq.oz.au          |                                          |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: A Question of Attribution (was Re: The BBC on KALW...)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:48:29 GMT

In article <1bfr9oINNe0d@mizar.usc.edu> ithomas@mizar.usc.edu (Ian Thomas) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.130102.22509@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>
>>      Ah yes, Mr Cooke....actually a pompous boring old fart...
>>...Do other people agree with this assessment?
>
>Yes, and I was surprised to hear him use his Mastee waffle segment
>to defend the establishment by vehemently disagreeing with Alan Bennett's
>comments about Anthony Blunt's role/effect.
>

	Cookie's waffle segment at least showed a contact with reality
	on the subjects of Blunt's espionage and relationships with
	the present day CIS.  Bennett's comments were the sort of inane
	drivel one might expect from a Holohan or a Yadallee.

	Alec Chambers
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.012931.103@nuscc.nus.sg>, hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)         writes...
>sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>: My SO, on the other hand, has completely lost patience with the
>: pace and quality of service in the UK, *and* he is completely
>: smoke-intolerant.  Luckily we didn't have to eat out together
>: very many times.  :-)  He also created quite a ruckus at the
>: village whist drive by requesting that the girl at his table
>: not inhale in his face.  I wanted to slide under the table.
> 

I should think that the inhalation of your husband's face did the young
lady considerably more harm than the cigarette smoke.  He was quite right
to protest against the use of these tactics during whist - inhalation of
faces is definitely against the rules.  Had you slid under the table, as
you contemplated, I fear you might never have emerged again, as i know for
a fact that the strangest un-Californian activities take place under the
tables of village whist drives.

Have you suggested to your SO that he try a clothespeg on his nose and
an oxegen mask on his mouth (always assuming that those two facial structures
still remain after the inhalation disaster)?  How very unfortunate for your
SO that he is apparently confined to California for the rest of his natural
life.  Mind you, it doesn't sound like he'd have that much fun travelling
with you, as you insist on dragging him to whist drives.  Just think - he
is denied access to most of Europe, all of Asia, all of South America, all
of Africa, just because a few years in california have made him unable to 
tolerate smoke.

Isn't it astonishing how delicate human beings can be.  Princesses cannot sleep
when a pea is hidden under 6 layes of mattress, Californians would rather
be triple-bypassed than have their whole day spoiled by having to inhale
cigarette smoke, yet Filipinos living on Pinatubu survived a volcano, 
Filipinos living in Smokey mountain in manila (so-called because it is
a burning garbage tip on which people build their houses) live on to
be explited by American companies providing materials to enhance your
smoke-free standard of living in California, South Americans and Thais and
Burmese are ravaged by hurricanes and flooded regularly because their
rain forests are being uprooted to provide nice polished wood to furnish
the smoke-free restaurants your husband requires for his health.  Certainly
my sympathies lie with you Californians for the lead you have taken to improve
others' quality of life.

Have a nice day

Laurence

Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:14057 soc.culture.celtic:6756
From: erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Celtica (was: Shrewsbury (Re: Southwell (was Re: Edinburgh...
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:34:42 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Oct13.103646.10496@pierrot.comlab.ox.ac.uk>,
Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) quotes:
|> 	Stafell Gynddylan ys tywyll heno,
!>               .
!>               .
!>               .
|> 	   A welais ar dy bentan.
but since it was a followup to a discussion on English place names, it
never made it to soc.culture.celtic, which is a pity.  Come on, Geraint,
can you do Eryr Pengwern and Llywarch Hen from memory too?  It would be
a welcome contrast to the Conan the Hippy Wiccan / dungeons and
dragons view of the Celtic world.
    John Wexler
    Edinburgh
P.S. Thanks for confirming what I learned at my mother's knee, that
Shrewsbury is pronounced the way it is.  I've lived too long now among
people who have never been there, and probably don't know where it is.
They are convinced that all educated people know it's Shrowsbury, and
they assume that I call it Shrewsbury because I've read it literally off
the page and have never noticed the elegant and informed correctness
with which they pronounce it themselves.  Frankly, I don't actually care
much about Shrewsbury anyway.  Oswestry, pronounced Oswestry, is much
more interesting.
From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VNS: The Vogon News Service
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:55:56 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Oct9.005405.4587@morrow.stanford.edu> mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop) writes:
>
>I too like the VNS but must plead for more world news, as i) I like 
>the UK style of world news coverage and ii) I can get world news from
>local US media???!!!! Sadly no I can't.
>
Well, you can get the BBC World Service on FM if you tune to KQED (88.5) or
KALW (my preference) at 91.7. If you a Stanford chappie and live locally, that
is. This covers (i) and (ii), seems to me.

tin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:19:34 GMT

In article <Bw605L.tG@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
>  Don't be a Tory stooge.  The issue is not about religion, it's about
>  culture and sovereignty.  The religion myth is encouraged by the
>  English who want to keep any group of people in Ireland from being a
>  cohesive nationalist force.

So are you saying that there is, for example, no discrimination (in
employment etc.) against Catholics because they're Catholic? This is an
interesting point of view.  And surely it's significant that the most
outspoken Unionist leader (the Revd. Ian Paisley) is a priest?