From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:32:31 GMT

In article <92Aug19.122140edt.108@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <Aug.19.11.25.42.1992.6843@gandalf.rutgers.edu> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>>
>>I guess this topic(Open whatever) from soc.culture.china and
>>soc.culture.japan is getting to soc.culture.korean.^^^^^
>>	    ^^^^^Alphabetical order.
>>
>>My question:
>>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>>need of an apology to Korea either.

Hmm, what I think Jung was trying to point out was the recent history of 
East Asia, but in any case, I will respond to what you said...

>Of course there is a long history of Chinese Dynasties' interference
>in Korea.  The earliest I remember is during the 7th century, the 1st
>3 Kingdom period in Korea, 2 of the Kingdoms allied against the 3rd
>one, the 3rd kingdom requested help from the Tang Dynasty, after
>decades of on and off war, the Alliance of Tang and the 3rd Korean
>kingdom defeated the other two kingdom and their Japanese Reinforcements.
>but Tang dynasty did withdraw all its troops after the unification of Korea.   
The earlies interference on the part of China was the establishment of 
colonial sectors in the northern portion of the Korean peninsula...but, I
can generally agree that the first Chinese military involvement on the
peninsula was the T'ang dynasty coming to the aid of the Silla Kingdom, however
the T'ang dynasty didn't withdraw all of its troops after the unification of
Korea, in fact, Silla had to force the armies out.

>A lot of times Korean Kings were only "vessel" of Chinese Emperors
>in name, besides the annual tributes and return gifts between the
>two China don't control anything in Korea:  there was no Chinese
>troops there, no taxes collect for the emperor's treasury, no colonization
>settlements of Chinese, nobody is forced to learn Chinese, korea was
>an independent kingdom with its own army and dynasty, never a province
>of China, there was hardly any similarity to the period when Japanese
>annexed Korea when Koreans are governed by Japanese Governors.   
>Ok, I do admit the Emperors are always beauty seeking
>sex-maniacs.  :-)  Particularly the 3rd Emperor of Ming Dynasty(and some
>of his descendents) had this thing for korean women, who certainly 
>became very infamous in korea.  I admit this a very shameful crime
>of the Chinese rulers.    

The first real recognition of Korea being a "vessel" was during the 
Manchu dominated period (Qing?), when they forced the Korean king to 
bow to the their general on the banks of a river. This was towards the
end of the Koryo kingdom period (I think), and was either immediately
followed by or after the Mongol dominance. If I remember correctly, 
the Silla kingdom was recognized as a full fledged kingdom, not a 
"vassel", by China (including unified silla). 

>Don't forget without the troops from Ming Dynasty, it will be very
>hard for Korea to fight of the Japanese invasion in late 1500s, they
>had captured most of the major cities already before Ming Dynasty
>entered the war.  

Most of the major impact on the defeat of the Japanese invasion
was done by sea.
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