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From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:05:00 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Othman Ahmad (eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
: 
: [deleted stuff]
:
: That was what PAP and DAP campaigned in the 60s but now Singapore government
:  promotes the return to Chinese culture. There is now the terms, 
: Singaporean Chinese, Singaporean Malays and Singaporean Indians.
: 	There is no more singaporean Singapore term in Singapore, but the older
: students may be more confused by now.

Hey, why bring Singapore into this?....but if u insist.....

: 	Maybe those who campaign for Malaysian malaysia should study 
: Singapore well.
: 	In fact there was an advertisement on TV which requires a 
: "publicity officer" at SBC to be fluent in English and Chinese. There is no
: requirement to be fluent in Malay or Tamil. It is strange because I thought
: the publicity officer should be for all singaporeans.

Hmm..but if u expect that the majority of your target market to be
speaking a certain language, then it would make absolute business sense
to employ someone who can speak the language of the clients isn't it?
Leave the emotional content out.
BTW, I have seen many adverts for Malay-speaking forex dealers in the
papers too! :)

: 	If this goes on, it is matter of time before all govenment departments
: officers must be fluent in Mandarin.

hm...yes, it would be logical to expect that officers of each race to be
proficient in their own native language right? Can u find a Malay
officer who can't speak Malay? No. But u sure can find a Chinese officer
who can only speak English. :(

: [deleted stuff]
: 
: There are also a lot of Mexicans in USA. By your explanation these mexicans
: must have been second class citizens in their country.

But the Mexican govt don't discriminate against Mexicans, no?
:
:  [deleted stuff]
: 
: 	Just because you work so hard does not mean that you automatically
: deserve to get special help such as scholarship. In fact, the more successful
: you are the less chance for you to get much privileges. In fact you have to
: pay more taxes.
: 	This naieve stance which you honestly point out is the reason why
: there is still no real racial harmony in Malaysia.
: 

But it would be even more naive to expect people to accept the fact that
there are people who don't work as hard and yet get the scholarships
right? :)
:
:  [deleted stuff]
: 
: --
: Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
: Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
: Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
: Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
: 

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"It was a dark and stormy night......"	-  Snoopy
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From: af1@ra.msstate.edu (Alex Foo)
Subject: Looking For Miss Chen Chwe Eng........
Keywords: vi
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:32:20 GMT

I am looking for Chen Chwe Eng...... I heard that she has come to USA
and I wonder if anyone of you know where she is now.  If you do please
e-mail me or ask her to e-mail me.  

A

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From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:56:33 GMT

Othman Ahmad (eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
: 
: [deleted stuff]
:
: If you carefully look at the entrace qualifications at Raffles' institution,
			       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: you may wonder. I got a very informative data from Pillay who was formerly
: at Raffles Institution.
: 
: 
Hmmm...it i remember correctly, entrance to RI is strictly by one's PSLE
results. So, if u can't get into RI because your results are no good,
hey, u can't blame anyone but yourself. Looking carefully at the
entrance requirements of RI just goes to show that it is a very
competitive school. Do u have a problem with competition? What is your
point anyway?

--
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EE Dept, NUS
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bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
"It was a dark and stormy night......"	-  Snoopy
From: espcs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr K H Soong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Chung Ling's old friends
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:55:27 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov5.151305.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> sltan@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>Dears friends,
>  I would like to contact with Chung Ling's friends graduated in 1989.  If 
>you are anyone of them, please give me a note.  Thanks!
>Tan, Sin Lam 5 Nov 1992

You can contact Mr. Tan Eng Siong, his username is
eapaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk

he is a Chung Ling old boy.
From: akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Ziad Akir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Universities/Employment again
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:22:49 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Originator: akir@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

Dear netters:

I am sorry if I keep bothering you again, and I really lost the one message
I receive in reply to my earlier post on this net.  Someone told me about
this address:

listserv@iubvm.usc.indiana.edu

and told me to change the "usc" with "ucs", but the problem is still there
and I still get the mail bounce back as dead.letter.  What's wrong!!!?

thanks

- Ziad

  
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Malaysia's racial policies
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:21:27 GMT

Kelvin Goh (ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >sacrifice? And limiting the quota to only 30% is also another major 
: ^^^^^^^^^^^
: >sacrifice? What prevents them from achieving 50%?
: 
: 	Ouch !  It was a major sacrifice, huh ? So major that we Chinese
: who fought for the independence of our land and from any external threats
: that we don't deserve a citizenship ? We wasted our time, our lives and
: blood saving out country, didn't we ? We shouldn't have worked so hard
: to make a living so that the government doesn't have to kick aside 30%
: of share allocation ?  
: 	I've got to get a drink....still choking here.... :) I'll go
: around telling my Canadian friends that my Malaysian citizenship given to
: me was a MAJOR sacrifice.......choke, choke......
I hope you tell them the truth using the exact words such as QUOTA,
Share certificates allocation(that's what you mean?), unlike one guy
who mention that it applies to ALL BUSINESSES.

	Surprisingly I see still a lot of Chinese shopkeepers, hawkers, that
own shops 100%.

Can someone clarify the Malaysian plan for this 30% QUOTA?
I'm not well versed in this because I did not benefit from it, and I never
see any effect of it in KL or Sabah. Maybe in some invisible forces,
or is it imaginary. I can't afford to buy shares, and most of it is bought
by ASM/ASB, LUTH.
	Any tourist will surely know this? Any comment from former tourists?
I may be extremely biased.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg (YONG KUEN FATT ALAN)
Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Reply-To: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg
Organization: Dept of EE, National Uni of Singapore
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:11:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.184905.8786@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, pehng@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Peh Ng) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov8.162829.28412@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >To ME someone who do not get a first class honours is a failure. To get it
|>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|>  Prof. Othman,
|> 
|>  With all due respect, that is the most arrogant statement I have ever 
|>  read coming from a person who is supposedly an educator.
|>  What kind of a teacher/professor are you?
Actually what Othman says is true, only in Malaysia :)
Considering that most places in local universities are reserved
for Malays, only the very best non-Malays can get in. Also,
those Malays that have reasonable results are sent overseas, ie
maybe those that have grade 2 or better. Hence you can extrapolate
the standard of those Malays in local universities. In that kind
of enviroment, I quote "someone who do not get a first class
honours is a failure", unquote.

Now everone know why more and more courses offered by local
universities are *not* recognised elsewhere :-(

Alan

p/s flame > /dev/nul

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth  Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:58:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.025230.26891@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.162829.28412@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> |
> |Due to a lot of ignorance in the qualification of Anwar Ibrahim, our current
> |Finance MInister I like to give a brief historical explaination expecially to
> |the ignorant chinese.
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> There he goes again....
> 
> |He got his first class honours in Malay Studies, from University Malaya,K.L.,
> |while still in prison.
> |
> |He was arrested for demonstrating for the government failure to stop the
> |starvation of Malays in Baling, under our most wanted law by this newgroup,
> |the ISA.
> |
> |To ME someone who do not get a first class honours is a failure. To get it
> |while in prison is a very special achievement. VERY FEW people on earth can
> |do that, not even LKY of Singapore.
> 
> Yes, your royal highness. Albert Einstein is a failure too. He is nothing
> when compared to your Anwar Ibrahim who changed the world with his
> expertise in Malay Studies
> 

[Clap, cheer, yay!]
Onya Josef.  This is the best line I have seen from you so far.

You really show Mr BinForBrain up as a real loser.

Rod
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:49:25 GMT
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth  Australia

In article <1992Oct31.072354.9198@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> Hon Keat Chan (honkeatc@microsoft.com) wrote:

> : Finally, I can assure you that condemnation of the killings in Yugoslavia
> : goes on on almost every pulpit around the world every Sunday morning.
> : Just pick a Church near you, and pay them a visit. Talk to the preacher,
> : the lay leader and solicit their feelings about the situation.

> Knowing these priests quite well, I'm sure they do. But wouldn't it be nice
> if they encourage the sending of arms instead of just food and medicine 
> which will not reach its destination.

See what I mean.  Othman "wargasm" Bin Head promoting religiously incited
violence again!

Why send arms and encourage war when peace is what the church is obviously
wanting?

Maybe Othman thinks that throwing guns at problems solves them.  Maybe we
should send guns to Somalia.  They can eat them, or if not, shoot each other
to "control the problem" of famine.

After all, Othman thinks the Serbs and Croats and Bosnians can shoot each
other to "control the problem" of war.

Rod
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From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:15:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov7.011542.17191
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <96324@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:
>In article <Bx99Fw.2qs@andy.bgsu.edu> subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
>
>[much deleted]
>
>>What about Malaysia? There is so much that we as an Indian and Chinese can't
>>achieve eventhough we are the citizen of Malaysia. Maily because of the 
>>special priveledges for the bumis. Well, how many our you think that we don't
>>work hard for our country's growth and don't deserve the same priveledges?
>>Is this situation will be carried on forever?
>
>As a "bumi" myself, Im not saying that I totally agree with the "special 
>previlidges" concept myself.  I totally agree that it is a form of 
>discrimination against the non-bumis. But, my point is, didnt the Chinese n 
>Indians (n the rest of the non-bumis) agreed at some stage (this was well back)
>on the subject (special previledges for Malays/bumis)? And it is also agreed
>that the subject should not be brought forward in the case of dissatisfaction?
>I know that all of us deserve to be treated equally 'cos it is our country.
>And nothing should be better than having the same rights n previledges as the 
>person next to you.  
>

Our grandparents have no choice but to agree. It may be a right thing to do
in their generation. However, things change. Furthermore, they have no
rights to make us as the scapegoats for them. My grandparents agree to
let you guys (the bumis) use our shoulder to climb. Remember, you guys
promised not to hurt. However, our shoulders are bleeding and painful. Please
don't stand on our shoulders forever. It is really hurting.

In US, you can see a lot of the white majority trying to help the minority. It
is these voices that is most powerful in shaping the right course for the nation. I sincerely hope that the Malay majority in Malaysia will speak up for the
right things. How can we work as one if the government intends to divide and
rule?? How can we work together if a certain group is given previledges and
not others? How can we work together if most our politicians are so selfish
and narrow-minded? Let's help all the poor irrespective of races. 

It is time for a change!!!!

T-P Loh

>>
>>Geeva Subramaniam
>>University Computer Services
>>Bowling Green State University.
>>
>>
>>D
>>***                       Who is the one that hurts you most ?
>
>Hasta luego.
>
>Azli.
>
>
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From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 02:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.123349.17349@husc3.harvard.edu> on@husc10.harvard.edu (Ahmad On) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.020803.50320@ssf-corp.dhl.com> looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi) writes:
>
>>I, on the other hand, have worked my way up to finish up my master
>>degree and got myself a high-paying job, and am well respected in
>>my group who are predominantly whites. 

>Let me get this straight, being respected by a group who are predominantly
>white is the key to success?  Hmmm...

Hmmmmmmm let's get this crooked.  No where in the above did the writer
say that being respected by a group who are predominatly white is the
key to success. However in the context of his post I think Looi
is trying to tell you that he, despite being not a white, is still respected
for his effort..... something that's no likely to happen  if he is 
in Malaysia!.

-Mann
From: dg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Greene)
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Sex
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:18:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sezbBHy00VBKMGN29B
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hopefully, in the future Mr. Balchandani will remember to logout when he
finishes at a public workstation.

-David.
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From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:50:57 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>YONG KUEN FATT ALAN (engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg) wrote:
>: Did *I* agree on the discriminating special previledges for Malays/bumis?

>Did I ever agree to all the laws and constitution of Malaysia?
>WE just have to agree to what our ancestors had formulated for us.

	You're saying that we should agree with what they had formulated
for us although we don't agree with it now ?  A constitution can always
and MUST be changed to reflect the needs of society.  

>: Anyway, is the previledges for the bumis or Malays? It seems that only
>: the Malays get the previledges not the bumis (IMHO, flame > /dev/nul).

>Do you still think that it is ONLY due to the special privileges provision?
>It runs deeper than that. Misuse of power is everywhere.

	What are you trying to imply here ?  Do you mean that Malaysia has
the right to misuse her power ?  

>Have anyone taken away the fruits of your success. The beauty of the Malaysian
>democracy is that it does not burden the non-bumis unnecessarily. They let
>them get rich without even taxing them heavily.

	How would you answer to tenders specifically for Bumis ?  Share
allocation just for bumis ?  This hinders the opportunity for the non-
bumis to gain something economically. 

>Malaysia is fortunate that the misuse of power is only in giving scholarships
>to Malays who hold the political power in Malaysia. It is better to be
>governed by intelligent educated masters than stupid ones.
	     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	How did Anwar Ibrahim land the job as Finance Minister ? What
qualification does he have ? Daim was a banker before he was appointed 
Finance Minister.  Anwar was some crazy activist in his younger days.    

>	The reality is UMNO is the power base. Rember that anyone who can
>get over 50% votes is the power. Even Clinton do not got 50% votes and yet
>he is the absolute power in USA.
	Clinton does not have veto power. It can be overruled with a 2/3rds
opposition majority in Congress.

>	Everyone must obey him. If not, there will be chaos as in other
>nations. Malaysia is still young, we have never DIE for democracy. We never
	
	What did we do when the Communist were trying to "invade" Malaysia ? 
Of course we died for democracy, Malays, Chinese and Indians fought to free
Malaysia from any threats.  

>	With so many dictators and potential mass murderers in Malaysia and

	Yeah...a net haunter, too.

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: RE : Males with long hair are a negative influence on society
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:55:31 GMT

In article <wJ2qTB3w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong) writes:

   Nigel Yeoh Lian Chuan writes :  

   > Well, someone in the news recently once sported long hair and 
   > smoked pot. His name? William Jefferson Clinton.

   Important qualification : HE DID NOT INHALE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-)

Hmmm...maybe that's why he's kinda pale and blue...(oxygen deprivation does
that to you) or maybe it's just the lighting...?

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From: aq668@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Candy Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 7 Nov 1992 07:26:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq668@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Candy Lee)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh) says:


[cut]

>Our grandparents have no choice but to agree. It may be a right thing to do
>in their generation. However, things change. Furthermore, they have no
>rights to make us as the scapegoats for them. My grandparents agree to
>let you guys (the bumis) use our shoulder to climb. Remember, you guys
>promised not to hurt. However, our shoulders are bleeding and painful. Please
>don't stand on our shoulders forever. It is really hurting.

Easier said than done. Would you kill the goose that's laying
you the golden eggs??? Enuf said.



>In US, you can see a lot of the white majority trying to help the minority. It
>is these voices that is most powerful in shaping the right course for the nation. I sincerely hope that the Malay majority in Malaysia will speak up for the
>right things. How can we work as one if the government intends to divide and
>rule?? How can we work together if a certain group is given previledges and
>not others? How can we work together if most our politicians are so selfish
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and narrow-minded? Let's help all the poor irrespective of races. 


Let us not try to mince our words, ok? Spit it out. You were referring
to Mahathir, Anwar, Baba, et. al. right ??? If so, say it. If not, there's
nobody else anyways.  :)





>It is time for a change!!!!

>T-P Loh

>>>
>>>Geeva Subramaniam
>>>University Computer Services
>>>Bowling Green State University.
>>>
>>>
>>>D
>>>***                       Who is the one that hurts you most ?
>>
>>Hasta luego.
>>
>>Azli.
>>
>>
>
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