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From: vsood@us.oracle.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: why dulipkumar uses hindu name for popularity!!!
Date: 10 Dec 92 20:53:58 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
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In article <1992Nov30.141622.12980@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
> In article <1f8j3rINNc4a@shadow.ksu.ksu.edu> drparul@shadow.ksu.ksu.edu (TRANSCEND  G O D) writes:
>> I always wonder, why few muslims uses hindu name for gaining social
>> respect, social acceptance in the indian society..As Dulip Kumar who is
>> a true muslim but to get an identity he goes with hindu name..
>>
>> But that seems a good sign for developing harmony between muslims and hindus
>> our muslim brothers may help us on this issue.   
>>
>>
> That's the stupidest thing I've heard. How hiding yourself be good???
> 
> 
> Rakesh Patel


ANY movie star, including Indian (muslim) ones get names from their producers
directors or managers, this is for marketing purposes, not HIDING purposes.
It is absolutely inane to think that he is trying to hide himself, when if you
listen to him speak it only takes you 5 seconds to figure out he's a muslim.

His urdu is absolutely amazing.

Stop trying to build more barriers between hindus and muslims. There is enough
trouble in our country already. 

Vidur Sood.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: pradeep@mercury.cs.umbc.edu (pradeep goel)
Subject: Re: why so intolerent?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:44:10 GMT

In article <9DEC199201553768@cats.ucis.vill.edu> 000087384@cats.ucis.vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
>It is indeed surprising, but can one note the
>fact that muslims through out the world have
>some sort of difficulty in accepting people of 
>anothee religion and live peacefully.  Why
>is it that wherever there is a representive
>muslim population of note living along with
>another community/religion, there have been
>some disturbances vis a vis religion.  Take it
>in India(with Hindus) or in Beirut( Christians)
>on Palestine-Israel (Jews-dont flame me on this :-)) 
>in Armenia-Azerbaijan and recently in Bosnia-
>Herzogovonia. Is it that muslims feel that Islam
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>should be the only religion that can be followed on
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>earth.
^^^^^^^
>
   I wonder what has led you to conclude the above?
   All we are saying is that we are born in India and
    we are as much Indian if not more than you.
   
>Sandeep
>[Go Knicks]

GO Bulls!!

Khalid Rahim



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From: nrai@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (neeraj.rai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: "...... to castrate the Hindus ..."
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:37:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Dec13.153757.2511
Organization: AT&T

>philosophy, with Satti, where the wife is burnt with the husband, should
>he die first, is a important part of Hinduism. If the British and the 
>present government disallowed it, it does not mean, it goes away. 
>
>Women are burnt alive in India, if they donot bring enough Jahez, or dowry
>and the belief in Satti is alive and well, as it will always be in 
>Hinduism, no matter how many authors you list, and trips you make to the
>library.
>
>THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
>
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.
>

It is a matter of great shame to see the ignorance of a man who claims to 
be very intelligent. Nevertheless

	Sati  is not an important part of Hinduism. It has been a practice
	of some Hindus but not all Hindus. You can think it to be
	similar to :-

	the practice of a Muslim Father showing the community
	blood stains on the bedsheet on which his daughter spent first night
	after her first marriage to prove to the world that SHE WAS A VIRGIN.


	I believe you will tell me that it is not written in Quran. And,
	I would believe what you tell me because I have not read Quran
	and you may have.

	Anyway, So Sati is not a part of Hinduism because 
	
	IT IS NOT MENTIONED IN ETERNAL BOOKS OF HINDUISM. 


	HINDUISIM = SHRUTI   +   SMRITI

	SHRUTI is revelation and contains pure philosphy about the world
	god, human existence, who we are? What should our purpose be etc.

	And, SMRITI means it was thought and written. One of the most
	famous SMRITI's have been Manu SAMRITI which contained the division
	of the society in four classes:namely Brahman, Shatriya, Vaishya,
	and Shudra. Manu never claimed it to be the word of GOD and most 
	Hindus realize that. Samriti's typically have changed from time to 
	time because these consist laws of behaviour. 

	I CAN FIND FAULT WITH ISLAMIC TRADITIONS ALSO BUT I CHOOSE NOT TO DO
	SO BECAUSE IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS AND BESIDES I AM NOT KNOWLEDGABLE
	ABOUT IT. 

	
	ALSO SATI was not stopped by BRITISHERS but a HINDU Social Reformer
	Raja Ram MOhan Rai had BRITISHERS bann this on the basis of the fact
	that TRADITION of SATI is  not a part of Hindu Religion. 




						NEERAJ RAI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: misra@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.222735.9805@news.uiowa.edu>, abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
|>     I like that...
|>     And I hope that with the demise of Congress from the heartland
|>     of India, the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty will be gone for ever.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Well partner they are gone already, like 'em or not. The last
	one was assasinated last May - maybe you haven't heard the news.

	I agree with what you say below. However, the time for blaming
	one party or the other is over. India, I believe, is already set on a
	course that will improve the economic conditions and by extension
	much that ails our country. I am not crass enough to believe money
	is everything but it might be more like 95% of everything.

	I don't care what banner the party flies as long as it retains
	secular and democratic character of the state and leaves the
	money matters to those who know best - the entrepreneurs.

|>     I hold this family for bearing the main responsibility for
|>     whatever is wrong with India.
|> 
|>     -jit
|> 
|> disclaimer: opinions are mine only.
|>     
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
	
	Bye Bye

	Sanjay
	(One of the much reviled Heartlanders/Cowbelters ;))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS)
Subject: Re: COWARDS
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:30:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.145838.1@woods.ulowell.edu> bajunaida@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>I want to see some good sensible postings on the nET , not from cowards 
>please!
>
>Believe in YOURSELF!
>
Reminds me of the song `God' by J.Lennon. Can anybody post the lyrics of 
this song (ok, i'll post to the appropriate newsgroup)

srini 
>


-- 
Blue Jays: 1992 World Champions 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.042657.10708@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>>In article <1grai0INNdjd@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay
>>Fafat) writes:
>> 
>>> 	I ask for more tangible proofs.
>> 
>	no color and for a blind person there is no shape. You can't prove
>	that color exist to a color-blind person and that shape exist for
>	a blind person. I use science to seek 'virtual reality'. For 
>-- Virendra Verma

This reeks of the inane argument "I've never been to India, so it doesn't
exist."  Now VV, prove to me, using all of your Vedic, psychologically
significant, innermost-self jabberwocky that India exists.

Color can be "proven" to a color-blind person by using a spectrophotometer,
where he can measure absorbance at certain wavelengths.  Color-blind people
also know that they are in the minority, and that colors do exist.  Blind
people are also in the minority, and hade better damn-well hope that shapes
exost when they ride th bus, or else there would be mangled steel and shattered
glass all over the roadway if the drivers were unable to visualize shapes.

Ed
From: eldip@lut.ac.uk (DI Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: News
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:36:44 GMT
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Some news from todays papers which do not appear to be on the BB:

Over 900 people dead of which about 160 or more are dead in Bombay alone.....
V. sad. :-(.  The riots are being described as the worst since partition in
1947 and show no sign of easing.

One of the fundamentalist groups in India (i forget the name) has been inciting
people (especially those living in the slums of Bombay) to take part in the 
riots under the banner of demonstration.  Shame on them.

Its a pity i can't remember the name of the group but i saw their leaders name
being mentioned on the article about 'fatwa's by khameni'.

Thats all for now.
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From: hxm0414@hertz.njit.edu (HarisH Malneedi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Looking for Info. regarding H1-multiple at Juarez.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:56:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: hxm0414@hertz.njit.edu

Hi netters,

I am planning to get multiple entry H-1 visa from Juarez in couple
of weeks.  I am looking for information regarding Travel (from Elpaso,
Texas), Visas-situation, place to stay etc.

Please respond via net or e-mail to 

  harish@earth.njit.edu  or
  hxm0414@hertz.njit.edu

Thanx in advance.
HarisH
From: mallidi@a.cs.okstate.edu (MALLIDI SATYANARAY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Should I call Pakistan/Bangladesh embassies?
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:40:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1992Dec14.074043.28098
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater


      I wondered if I should stop after calling the Indian emabassy in
   San Francisco for expressing my anger at the destruction of the 
   mosque in Ayodhya. Or, should I also call the Pakistani embassy and
   express the same feelings about the destruction of 30 and odd temples
   and killings of Hindus. What about the hacking to death of 61 Indians
   in a village in Assam by Bangladeshis from bordering villages? 
   Or, these things go against my secularist principles?

      Do I have to express my openions just like VP Singh, Advani, or SS Mann
   to represent affected people of one side?

   PS: in today's 'Week in Review' on CNN, the reporter told that India is a 
       Hindu country. I thought we should ask CNN to stop this kind of off-of 
       the-hat remarks. If India is a Hindu country, then is the US a 
       Christian country? Probably he may disagree. 
-- 
*************************************************************************
     Reddy Mallidi.
     (all openions are mine)
*************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Hinduism and Islam in the 21st Century
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:17:38 GMT

(Akash R. Deshpande) writes:
>
>Fundamentally, Judaism, Christianity and Islam proclaim that there
>is one transcendent god not involved in the world. Fundamentally,
>Hinduism proclaims that there is a transcendent god who is myriadly
>involved in this world and evolves in it. 

[Akash: Nice article!] 

I recently re-read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance [ZMM].
Pirsig, the author, drives home this subtle distinction and
explains how it affects us in ur daily lives. 

ZMM is a fine book (you heard it here first :-)) and makes one
think a lot. It is one of the finest books I ever read. The
paperback is $5.00. It is worth the money and the time. 

Satya Prabhakar

--
______________________________________________________________
I hate sig files, particularly ones that refer to themselves!
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From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:19:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: phakt.1gij6qINN759
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Rakesh patel writes:
>In article <1gh5epINNd40@aludra.usc.edu> fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:

>Vijay, I think Hinduism is the only religion, that will allow you to get
>away with making a critical statement about its gospel. Try saying that
>about present day Islam and their will probably be a contract out on your
>life.

	yea, I would agree over there. Muslims tend to think *their*
	religion is the greatest, and the emotions run very strong. I had 
	this Muslim friend who firmly believed that Quran *could not* have been
	written by a man. It had to be Allah. Needless to say, I don't 
	subscribe to Quran either. (Heck! have I done a Rushdie here?? :):)

>
>Don't get me wrong, I like Sci-Fi. :)
>Beam me up, Ram.

	that's called "antardhyan hona" :) remember how the Gods had a nasty
	habit of vanishing just when the rishi's eyes were closed? :)

>>
>>	aur tum yahan chane bhunane aur bhutte khane aaye ho, nahin? :)
>>	FFT
>
>You beat me to it, Vijay. This guy sounds like an IIT refugee.

	Killer Patel at it again, eh? :) actually, this is very ironic but
	if you visit IIT(B), the refugees you see there are mostly cows, whom
	Worma reveres so...

	FFT
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:40:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Worma writes:
>	There is no such thing as reality according to science. 
                                 ^^^^^^^^^
	You refer to objective, classical reality. 

>	Because reality is immutable and science is incapable of going behind 
>	the mutable. 

	Don't throw around vague statements like this. First, *define*
	your reality. Second, tell me *why* you assert so positively that
	it's immutable.


>	The proofs of science are based on 'virtual reality', i.e., 
>	the reality which exist within the context of seeker's sense
>	instruments. 

	you might be amused to know that Science does talk about a virtual
	reality. However, that's not the one you're talking about. You're
	talking about "operationally defined" reality and recent experiments
	indicate that it's the only kind of reality.
	

>	For example, for a 'color blind' person, there is 
>	no color and for a blind person there is no shape. 

	The second example is wrong. He can feel. And the first one is specious
	since you're assuming that there is a concept like "colour" which
	can be defined by atleast one person (who's not blind). But if everyone
	was blind, the concept would lose meaning and cannot be said to "exist"


>	a blind person. I use science to seek 'virtual reality'. For 
>	seeking 'real truth', I use religion.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^

	Define.  And on what basis do you say that Religion achieves whatever 
	you claim it achieves? I can very well say whatever *I* say is the
	real truth. Prove me wrong.


>	In other words, a blind person can never realize shape just based
>	on scientific proofs, whereas, a blind person can realize shape
>	based on religion. Yoga is such a religious technology.

	bulldung. I can just turn around your statement and say religion is
	bunkum. You give no proof, I give no proof.


>	Personally, I insist on 'realizable truth'. 'Proof' depends on belief.
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Like your belief that velocities should add and sun should go
	around the earth. No, "proof" does'nt depend on plain belief. There's
	a lot more to proofs.
	
>	Proof is good for only 'understanding' the truth. Other than that
>	it has no useful purpose.

	No. Proof is *necessary* to show that what you call "truth" satisfies
	the definition of "truth". Otherwise, there are yellow elephants in
	Africa who build invisible pyramids. Accept that without proof because
	that's the ultimate truth.
	
	FFT




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: tolia@mixer.ecn.purdue.edu (Anish Arun Tolia)
Subject: Re: Talk about secularism
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:50:47 GMT

In article <92351.180542U58555@uicvm.uic.edu> <U58555@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Does anybody there belive USA is a secular country. If u do u are totally
>wrong. USA is a Christian country. Every citizen of this country has to
>take a oath that he belives in chritianity if she/he were to live here.
>      Neither is Britain. It is a Christian country again. These guys who
>do not have the least idea about India and talk about the secularism in India.
>I think CNN was giving a biased opinion about the things going on in India.
>
>
Just where do you get this information? Have you heard of the concept
of separation of church and state that is followed to the extreme of
not allowing public prayer in schools or at any state supported
institution? The citizenship oath asks to uphols the CONSTITUTION
of the US and there is no mention of religion whatsoever. As a 
matter of fact, the US does not even have an official LANGUAGE.

I wish you would at least check your facts before exposing your ignorance
and malice to the world.

Anish

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@infonode.ingr.com (Mahesh Kumar)
Subject: Re: Classified encounter - from Times of India.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:59:56 GMT

In article <47457@ogicse.ogi.edu> partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
>In article <1gqvluINN51v@menudo.uh.edu> Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu> writes:
>>When I was browsing thru some old Times of India newspapers, I saw
>
>Once again let me repeat what I said to Mr. Meenan Vishnu. The article
>you have posted has no relevance to SCT and its charter. SCI definitely
>is an appropriate forum for your article. It is not that I am becoming
>picky about what should appear on this net and what shouldn't. This
>is just a friendly reminder. This net was created specifically for
>addressing issues related to Tamil culture and experiences of
>Tamilians with some relevance to this forum. I definitely wouldn't.....
>
>Partha sarathy
>
>NB: No offense intended

   Partha, you just dont get it!!  This net was created specifically to
   verbally 'flog' brahmins.  If some people write about things which have
   nothing to do with 'flogging' or the 'original purpose' as mentioned by you,
   none of the 'upholders of tamil culture' care as long as the dirty work is
   being done by someone else.

Mahesh Kumar
std. disclaimer
From: hari@bass.bu.edu (hariharane ramasamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:23:54 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Like most of the people, I am also observing the situations
in India. It pains me most. Although I do not know much about
right or wrong, I do know carrying crimes in the name of God
or destruction does sound wrong to my ears, so is the splitting
of the nation. I like to reproduce again the speech of President 
Lincoln as it carries more sense with the current situation
in India. 

_______________________________________________________________

Two Tennessee women came to Lincoln and requested for the
release of their husbands. One added the fact that their husband
was a religious man. After being put off for couple of times, 
President ordered their release and told to one woman whose
husband was a religious man,

	"You say your husband was a religious man. When you
	meet him tell him I say that I am not much of a judge
	in religion, but in my opinion, the religion which
	sets men to rebel and fight against the govenment
	as they think the government does not sufficiently
	help them to earn their bread on the sweat of other
	men's faces, is not the sort of religion upon which
	you go to heaven."


	This message is dedicated to the President for whom
	I have a great respect.

	What is there wrong in having patience towards the
	ultimate justice of the people. Is there any better
	or equal hope for the world
					Inaugral Address
					1861
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: News from Bombay
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Wonko, the sane)
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:51:51 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

Folks:

I made a call to B'bay yesterday. THe news is that there is curfew in 16 parts
of the city. Police are on red alert and there is shoot at sight at several
places. Offices and schools are closed and situation is pretty tense in
many areas but under control. 

________________________________________________________________________________
Wonko, the sane
aka                                         skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu
santy                                        
________________________________________________________________________________
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:54:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1gtbp9INN527@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes...
>Akash Deshpande writes:
>>All you science-types, prove to me that there is light when the sun is
>>up. Assume
>>that there are no other sources of light, and assume
>>I am blind and in every way impervious to light.
>>-Akash
> 
> 
>	Ask someone who knows about photocells to make a monstrous solar
>	panel for you. See if you're impervious to the shock which can be 
>	generated.
> 

	Who can be a better person than yourself? Is this the proof?

	A better proof will be to kick the seeker's ass and ask him if 
	he sees the light? Kicking hard will get you an elegant nice little
	proof - yes, Fafat I do see the light.

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From: manas@lena.cs.umd.edu (Manas Saksena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:01:36 GMT
Reply-To: manas@cs.umd.edu
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian



It is amazingly pathetic that the politicians in India would do anything to
obtain their narrow minded political gains. The Congress-I government has 
done a great disservice to Indian democracy and secularism by taking this 
unwarranted action for purely political purposes. If the demolition of Babri
Masjid was a step or two back, then this is definitely a few more steps back. 
Infact, it is hard to conceive how this action could help in maintaining 
either the secular integrity of the nation (which is supposedly the intent)
or providing any political gains for Congress-I. If anything, the Congress-I
government has helped foster the Hindu insecurity of being alienated despite
being in the majority - perhaps even much better than BJP/VHP. 

Manas Saksena 

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