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From: jca@druwa.ATT.COM (Jill C. Arnson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Short-notice discounted ski trips by email
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:50:30 GMT

in article <4757@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, lbrodsky@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Lloyd Brodsky) says:
> 
> On the ski cost front, I've been dealing with a new company in 
> Colorado called Rock Solid Fax Attractions that does short-notice

	What he neglected to tell you is that it costs $49 -$79 dollars to
"join" for one year.



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From: tj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Terry Jones)
Subject: Re: Hawaii
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:40:53 GMT

>It's beyond me why anyone would travel to Hawaii to ski.  It must be
>those same people who I meet on the chair-lifts who always want it to be
>warm and sunny when they're skiing.

Hmmm... I have to admit that I am thinking of skiing in Hawaii this spring,
water skiing. Never occurred to me that there would be any snow skiing
that would be worth the effort in Hawaii!
From: obrienms@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (M Scott OBrien)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Fixing holes in skis/craters.
Date: 3 Jan 1993 22:06:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: obrienms@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (M Scott OBrien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-27.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

I had a slight accident this past vacation skiing.  I came off a  
twenty-five foot drop-off and landed on a rock. Needless to say I didn't  
stay up on my skis.  I guess I should be happy I wasn't hurt but there is  
a gash in my skis about two inches by one inches on the bases of the ski.   
The ski is still stable and isn't going to break but the edge is bent.  If  
anyone has any advice on how to repair this mishap I would by grateful.   
The gash does go through the base of the ski and it is in the center of  
the ski right under the binding.  


Thanks for any help!!!

Scott O'Brien
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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:22:58 GMT

|> Anyways, for the $15 I paid for it, I'd say it was worth it.
|> They(the skisaver skins) are looking kind of ratty now
|> after 1.25 seasons, but at least those scrapes and gouges
|> aren't on my skis...

I don't quite see the point of having ratty plastic sheet on top of 
one's own skis : like glueing some ratty plastic wrap on a new
car or leaving plastic bags on new furniture, or wrapping new shoes in
protective vinyl galoshes, or wearing new suit with dry-cleaning bag 
on top to preserve it from dust. Of course, eventually you can pass
all these objects to your children  in pristine condition, they'll
appreciate it ...

Sergei

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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Snow Machines... FAQ?????
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:21:57 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Satya Bhamidipati (satya@bramble.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:

> I tried looking for the FAQ for about 150 articles but did not 
> find it.

 Well, that's cause it's not there! :-)

> How does a Snow machine make snow ? What is/are the principle(s) ?

 Same way your refrigerator works: expansive cooling. The basic idea is
 that water and air are pumped to the "gun". As the pressurized air/water
 mixture exits the gun it rapidly expands and therefore cools...presto:
 instant snow!

 Unfortunately, since this is not the "normal" mechanism for the formation
 of snow crystals (it's quite a bit more violent and rapid than what goes 
 on in the atmosphere) the "snow" that is formed is very very fine...no
 big pretty flakes. Ask Eugene about snow physics.

 ..glen


From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:34:57 GMT
Subject: Re: boots
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> >
> >Sure, they have the same color scheme as TIDE Laundry detergent box, except
> >brighter.  They're easy to spot coming down the hill.
> >
> >John
> >
> Sorry, John, that's the TNT you're describing, and I think he's asking about
> performance, not color scheme.
> 

Oh!  Why didn't he say so?  ;-)

John

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:16:31 GMT
Subject: ==== SOUTH LAKE TAHOE ACCOMMODATIONS ====
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
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From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Volki P10
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <BzMJ2o.121@ncube.com>, zod@ncube.com (Operator) writes:
|> I was reading the FAQs about the Slalom and GS and
|> extreme skis. Does anyone know what Volki P10's 
|> category is?
|> 
|> ---

I've noticed that some of the ladies World Cup downhill racers use 
Volkl P10s. Don't know exactly what that means.




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From: ocean!rosario (Rosario Perry)
Subject: conditions in Vail
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:37:59 GMT

Does anyone have a recent update from Vail re: conditions. I'm going for  
the 28th of dec through jan 4, ? 

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From: jcn@rice.edu ()
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:24:31 GMT

zod@ncube.com (Operator) writes:

>Let's join some of the cities who are boycotting Colorado,
>in protest to their newly passwd, discriminatory law against
>gays.

Blah, blah blah.  The ordinance was to restrict the granting of 
"special rights" to any group.  It's funny how we used to be a 
conglomeration of people, but now we seem intent on going the 
way of Yugoslavia et al.  Anyone for a civil war?

>It's wrong to discriminate against any group. The reemergence
>of Pat Bucanon and the far right threatens the freedom of all
>skiers and the snowboarders. I just can't see myself bow to
>the extremists and to the people and States who support them.

Fine.  More snow and snow areas for the rest of us.


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From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: seeking Salt Lake recommendations
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:18:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: There is no DANGER

lizn@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Elizabeth Neely) writes:
>I'm going to learn how to ski in Utah for Christmas, and I'm looking for
>reccomendations on restaurants and the different slopes.
>I'll be staying in Downtown Salt Lake City.
>
>So far, I've been told Chuck-o-rama is a good all you can eat type place and
>the spaghetti company is good too. Any others? 

	The Market Street Grill has great fresh seafood and steaks...
	pastas are good too!

	Check out Cafe Rude for some inexpensive, but very good
	food...fun atmosphere.

	The Salt City Jail has good large steaks and you get
	to eat in a prison cell.

>My lift passes will be good at Alta, Snowbird and Solitude. I've been told I
>might be able to exchange them for other resorts, but I'm not sure about this.
>Two people have told me Snowbird is the best place for beginners and another
>told me Brighton is the best for beginners. Is it worth trying to trade in
>my tickets to try out brighton?

	Dunno about Brighton BUT i must warn you NOT to go to
	Snowbird if you are a beginner.  Alta is much better
	in this regard.  There is very little terrain for
	new skiers and it often has more advanced skiers
	cutting through it on the way down the mountain.
	Last year was my SO's first time skiing...she loved
	Alta and HATED Snowbird.


rizzi

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From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bump
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:24:29 GMT

Regarding bumps:

A lot of good advice on mastering the basics and learning how to
cut tight turns has already been given here. The final dimension
goes beyond technique into the realm of the "groove." You really
have to have that "dialed-in" feeling to be successful on a bump
run, no matter what your skill level, and no matter how many times
you've skied them. In the proper state of mind you should be able to
carve an ess all the way down "Limelight" oblivious to the actual
locations and sizes of the bumps, and the people on the lifts 15
feet above you.

I haven't read much here about state of mind+body. Your state of
mind is at least as important as how you position your body,
probably more. You might want to pick up a copy of "Inner Skiing"
for some useful advice on this topic.

Cheers,

Erik
From: fahje@cvdv80.mayo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Spirit Mountain
Keywords: minnesota
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:03:32 GMT
Reply-To: mfahje@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN




>I guess it's right near Duluth, but I'm not sure.

Yep

>1) Personal opinions based on experience

Mostly Blue and Green runs.  They may have some as Black but don't believe
them, they are notorious in the Midwest for over rating difficulty.

>2) Information on food and lodging

Spirit Mountain is owned by the city of Duluth and you get a terrific view
of the harbor, Lake Superior, and the city itself.  Food and lodging is in
your site. Try Grandmas at the lakefront for good food and nightly 
entertainment.

>3) Phone #'s for the mountain and resort

Call the city commerce poeple.

>4) Any interesting entertainment and other points
>   of interest in the area

Gee whiz Wally why not travel west about fifty miles to Hibbing and see the 
worlds largest open pit mine or to Eveleth and see the Hocky Hall of Fame.

>I have read the faq and couldn't find any information on          
>"mountains" in Minnesota, Michigan, or Wisconsin, is there  
>a reason for this?

The reason is fairly simple.  It is a marketing ploy.  There are no mountains
in any of the above mention states.  Spirit Mountain has about 500 vertical
feet of skiing.  Most areas in Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Michigan average
under that for vertical.  The area with the most vertical is Lutsen, which
is an hour or two North of Duluth.  Even further North at Thunder Bay you
can get vertical feet in the range of 700-800(I'm a bit rusty on that fact
since it was fifteen years ago).


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From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:59:59 GMT
Organization: EDS Research

>>ok.  boycott colorado.  it'll leave more first tracks for me.  ski alta.

Nope, sorry, can't ski Utah because of their conservative stance on
abortion and womens' rights.  And New Mexico has the worst record in the
nation for DWI offenses, so it's not safe here.  Idaho is filled with Nazi
extremists, and Oregon and Washington and Montana and Wyoming border Idaho
(the last also borders Colorado, so it's doubly offensive) which probably
means they're unacceptable places to visit, too.  Looks like the only
politically correct thing to do is stay home.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:10:09 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 01/16 Welcome, Disclaimers, etc
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: snarfett@athena.mit.edu (Nicole A Harris)
Subject: Re: Intermediate lessons (was bumps)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:09:50 GMT

>Anyone have any particularly good (or bad) experiences with
>different ski schools?  Personally I'm interested in ones in
>the North East (VT, NH, ME).


I have taken lessons at Killington almost every time I've gone (for more
than a day trip).  I think that Killington has pretty good instructors.  The
only problem with the classes is the way they group you.  I don't think the
"ski off" gives the people splitting you into groups enough information to
group people of the same skill.  I have never had a problem with the groups 
I've been in.  I have always ended up in a group with people who have been
skiing MUCH longer than I have (2 years), but my father always seems to end up
in a group that is too slow.  I've skied with 5 different instructors. I liked
all but one of them. My father had at least 7 different instuctors.  I think he
was satisfied with all of them. Three of the people were really outstanding.
Some of them really care about their students and go out to their way to help
them. For example, the instructor my father had on our last trip spent one
evening shopping for new boots with one of her students because she thought the
boots he had were not good for him.  She also loaned him a pair of her ski pants 
because he showed up to class in a pair a jeans. 

If you are planning to spend a week at Killington I would recommend taking a 
Mountain Week instead of regular lessons.  Mountain Weeks are taught by better 
instructors and the groups are smaller than for regular lessons.  The lessons 
are also three hours a day instead of two and you get video taped.  I've only taken
regular lessons but I plan to do a Mountain Week in March.
   
Happy Skiing!!!!
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From: anda@ahpcrc.umn.edu (Andrew A. Anda)
Subject: Re: Physics of Skiing?
Organization: University of Minnesota, AHPCRC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:50:04 GMT


"Skiing Mechanics," by John Howe, Poudre Press

&y&a

Andrew Allen Anda, (University of Minnesota: anda@cs.umn.edu)
Computer Science Dept., 4-192 EE/CSci Bldg.,
200 Union St. S.E.,
Mpls., MN 55455
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200 Union St. S.E.,
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From: speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate)
Subject: Need info on skiing in Italy (Milan) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Jeffrey Holdgate Associates
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:38:32 +0000


In article <1992Dec23.183514.11192@atlastele.com> majidh@atlastele.com writes:

>
>I am going to Milan (Italy) in January for 3 weeks so I was wondering
>if there are any good ski resort near by (couple hrs of driving or train).
>
>Any suggestions or recommendation will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>PS: I am an advance skier so I am looking for some challaging runs.
>
>
>Majid
>
>
>
Cervinia is within reach, with Skiing up to almost 4000m. If you cross
the border into Switzerland here, then the runs are as steep as you like.
J.
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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:48:38 GMT

|> I disagree that any slope can be skied as easily at any speed.  All
|> other things being equal, you will go faster on steeper slopes.  The

That is not true at all.

|> effort that it takes to keep one's speed below terminal velocity is
|> what I call "fighting the mountain."  Anything that opposes a
|> straight, fall-line descent requires fighting the mountain a little.
|> The issue thus boils down to one of degrees.  We all fight the
|> mountain, it is just a question of how much, and how efficiently we
|> fight the mountain.

What is the point here ? What is the adequate  amount of fighting the 
mountain ? Where is the demarcation line separating efficiently 
fighting expert from innefeciently fighting beginner ?  How do you
measure this efficiency ?

|> When outclassed by a ski run, some people try to keep their speed down
|> by letting their skis scrape sideways against the snow, instead of
|> cleanly carving their turns.  While this does slow them down, the
|> scraping action is not usually considered good turning technique.

Well, lets not get too uptight here. After all we are talking about
some way of descending a slope on two sticks strapped to the shoes,
and why one particular method is preferrable to another is not quite
clear. If some authoritative organization  decided that certain way is 
THE way, once and forever, that would be half-acceptable. But they change 
their minds every so often ...

|> Others will traverse widely, going from one edge of the run to the
|> other.  This is a better alternative to scraping down the hill
|> sideways, but not much better.  Because of the long, straight part of
|> the traverse, the finish of one turn is not linked to the start of the
|> next turn.

Ditto. Who mandated that turns should be linked, and why ?

|> Technical nitpicking aside, my point is this: If you want to learn to
|> ski safely, stay on slopes that are near your ability, and try to ski
|> them with grace, and minimal effort.  As your skill increases, you can
|> ski faster on steeper slopes without difficulty.  Controlling your
|> speed never becomes an issue.

Controlling the speed is really one and only issue in free style skiing,
because the alternative is to shuss down, and nobody seems to be doing
it. (in racing, it also involves skiing around some arbitrary arrangement of
objects).  For some mysterious reason we have decided that the proper
way to control speed  is to carve the turns on long skis, although  
I can easily prove that this is not necessarily true, since I can snowplow 
and scrape  down ANY slope, no matter how steep and mogully (I've tested 
the technique on  few occasions in Verbier and Aspen , and let me assure 
you - it works just fine).

Some may argue that grace is also at stakes in free style, and it was in fact
mentioned in the original posting  : well, notion of what is graceful and 
what is not comes and goes. Skiing style of the 60's champs is barely
graceful by todays standards.  


Sergei
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Possible honeymoon suggestions...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:40:07 GMT

psburns@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS) writes:
>If we decide to get married, our ideal honeymoon would be a week or two of 
>skiing.  But where can one go in August, September, October?  Any 
>suggestions?  Europe?  Canada? 

You don't have the priorities right:

1. Plan your ski trip.
2. Decide to get married.
3. Schedule the wedding for right before the ski trip.

Hey, it worked for me 16 years ago [am I really that old? :-(], and we're
still married--and still taking at least one ski western trip from NJ every
winter.

Bill Hery

"The family that skis together stays together."
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From: tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb vs Sun Valley?
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:21:49 GMT

eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall) writes:
>In article 291292134929@teunas.mitre.org, jat@linus.mitre.org (Jim Teunas) writes:
>> Last year I went to Steamboat and the year before Vail...
>> This year am considering either Whistler/Blackcomb or Sun 
>> Valley Id.
>> 
>> Can anyone give some hints as to how the skiing compares???
>> I don't care anything about the shopping or the nightlife since
>> my usual practice is to be at the lifts when they open and and am
>> completly crashed out by 8:30 at night.
>> 
>> My usual skiing is in New Hampshire/Vermont/Maine.  I have fun going down
>> everything except the double bozo runs ( double diamonds and bumps are fine
>> )
>> and don't jump off cliffs unless something is chasing me....
>> 
>> Thanx for any suggestions!!  Jim Teunas

>Sun Valley has consistently excellent bump runs (Holiday being my favorite --
>no traffic or onlookers). There is a lot of open terrain as well as tree skiing.
>The bowls on Seattle Ridge are a blast, and there is a lot of room on some of the
>steeper groomed runs if you just want to cruise.

>The whole season I worked there, there was _never_ a need to wait in a lift line.
>Another good thing about SV is that the people who go there tend to be more
>serious skiers because it is not as accessible as other resorts.

I couldn't disagree more.  The only place that has more people who ski to be
seen than Ketchum is Aspen.  Then again, if you're used to skiing in the
northeast, you'll be right at home; Mt. Baldy has the iciest terrain west of
the Mississippi.

Blackcomb/Whistler is far better for the die-hard skiier.  It's a mile vertical
from the base to the top of Blackcomb.  In addition, it's the best place to
demo skis.  For $25, you can rent demos at the Blackcomb base (near Chateau
Whistler) and exchange skis as often as you like.

In many ways, Blackcomb is less accessible than Sun Valley; there's an airport
in Sun Valley, or you can drive from Boise or Idaho Falls.  About the only
way to get to Whistler is to fly to Vancouver B.C. and take the Sea-to-Sky
highway.

The other ski areas that I really liked were Jackson Hole and Taos; that way
you'll know if my opinion is helpful or not.

_emt