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From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 22:27:32 GMT

From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:08:03 GMT

> I always (well, almost) have my Casio BOSS organizer in my breast pocket
> when I'm in casinos, and I've never gotten a second look (for that!)

That explains it!  During the get-together this past August I was
wondering why there was a bald-headed woman with one tit hanging around
;-)

> . . .

> Speaking of Double Down Stud, I don't recall anyone following up to my
> post about the game.  Did I miss something, or is it just that obviously
> pointless?

I think you're confused.  Double Down Stud is just one of our many
nicknames for Steve Jacobs.

JR, the Younger
From: msm@public.BTR.COM (Michael S. McClain  msm@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Holyfield vs. Bowe
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:22:44 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM




breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill Reid) writes:
>In article <1dbsguINNc7j@skat.usc.edu> ahasham@skat.usc.edu (Allen Hasham) writes:
>>      Does anyone know what the odds on the fight are.
>
>Oh, probably Holyfield, but as usual, he'll make it look difficult (a man 
>of his age who gets worn down by a 42-year-old Foreman is obviously not 
>the greatest fighter who ever lived).  I'll be attending this one, and I 
>don't know what the odds are, but if they are sufficiently high I'll 
>probably put a bet on Bowe, on the general theory that Holyfield is 
>going down someday, and it's just as likely to happen when I've got 
>15to1 odds on it as any other time (this "strategy" has gained me a 
>net profit on boxing betting overall).  
>
If that's your strategy, you might want to avoid betting on this
fight altogether.  If you do find 15:1 though, be sure to give me
a ring.  The odds have hovered in the 'Holyfield slight favorite'
range.  The last post I saw was Holyfield -140, with something like
even money on Bowe.  The best odds I've seen from the Holyfield
perspective is -120, with the other extreme something like -180.
Shop around if you plan on laying a chunk.

Dr. M.

(I'm not really a doctor...  I'm not very
good at the whole nickname thing though.)
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From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Casino Marketing Toll-Free Phone Numbers
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:14:06 GMT

Does anyone have a list of the toll-free numbers of the casino marketing
departments for the casinos in Nevada (and Atlantic City, for completeness)?
I'm not asking for what's in the FAQ.  Those are the numbers for the
hotel.  Real Rec.Gamblers make their reservations via casino marketing,
not the regular hotel room reservations.  (You can often get better rates
and probably better rooms via casino marketing, if you are a rated player.)

If you call the hotel number they will more often than not *refuse* to
transfer you to casino marketing, and then they will more often than not
give you the *toll* number for casino marketing.  (The hotel and casino
are separate entities for accounting purposes and don't always cooperate.)
Also, more often than not you cannot get this toll-free number for casino
marketing by calling 800 directory assistance.

-- 
Michael Hall            \ Reno's safest bet.
NASA Ames Research Center\ John Ascuaga's Nugget
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \ - billboard in San Francisco
From: dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:15:37 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Is 4-of-a-kind considered a pat hand in draw poker?
(If there were any replies to my previous post on this question,
they were lost by my machine -- sorry.)


Without change,                         *David Barber*
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From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
Subject: Re: Craps Bets
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:05:51 GMT



In article <1992Nov6.162719.25679@engage.pko.dec.com>, I (Dave Cantor) wrote...
>In article <1992Nov5.213219.23608@walter.bellcore.com>,
>jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg), responding to my message
>of 5-Nov, 19:01:35Z, writes:
>>Let us know what you find.
> 
>I will.

We were speaking about the "place to lose" or "don't place" bet.

I was at the Foxwoods Casino today, and I asked a craps floorperson
about the "don't place" bet.  She looked lost, and I said that I'd seen
it referred to in books as "place to lose".  At this point she knew what
I was talking about, and she told me she thinks there are still some places
in Las Vegas that accept that bet, but Foxwoods doesn't.

-- --
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 Digital Equipment Corp., Nashua, NH  03062, USA
  The views expressed herein are my own, except where attributed to 
  someone else.  They are neither the opinion of, nor the responsibility 
  of, Digital Equipment Corporation.
From: dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:25:10 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

I've seen a lot of talk on this thread with no difinitive answer
i.e. Is 4-of-a-kind in draw poker considered a pat hand.  The comment
that it can be beaten by a straight-flush doesn't mean anything, since
any straight, full house, or flush can also be beaten by a straight-
flush.

So what is the answer?  Please chose between yes and no.

Thanks.


Without change,                         *David Barber*
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From: ziesman@uswest.com (Craig Ziesman)
Subject: LV during COMDEX
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:13:37 GMT

I will be attending COMDEX the week after next.  Any 
recommendations/advice regarding what to look for (and look out for) while 
I'm there?  I am a low stakes (<$10/bet) BJ player.  Thanks.
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From: borker@nevada.edu (DAMIAN BLESS)
Subject: Re: Holyfield vs. Bowe
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:57:22 GMT

>don't know what the odds are, but if they are sufficiently high I'll 
>probably put a bet on Bowe, on the general theory that Holyfield is 
>going down someday, and it's just as likely to happen when I've got 
>15to1 odds on it as any other time (this "strategy" has gained me a 
>net profit on boxing betting overall).  
> 

last night bowe +110
         Holyfield -130 (or was it -120?)
From: price@chuckles.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Price)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Northern California Card Room Recommendations?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:16:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: price@chuckles.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: chuckles

I didn't see this in the FAQ, so here goes: Could someone post recommendations for/against
N. Cal. cardrooms, particularly in the Bay Area? 

Thanks!

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From: tahajian@aries.East.Sun.COM (David Tahajian - Sun BOS Software)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Vegas Trip
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:37:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Billerica MA
Reply-To: tahajian@east.sun.com (David Tahajian - Sun BOS Software)
NNTP-Posting-Host: aries.east.sun.com

In article <69365@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>One question and one comment about Vegas.....
>
>I'm headed out for a few days in Vegas during Comdex... what kind
>of surcharge are the ATM machines in the Casinos charging now for
>cash withdrawals?  I haven't been in Vegas for about 2 years and
>the last time I was there the charge was about $1 per cash
>withdraw transaction.
>

I believe that your bank, not the casino (or supermarket or drug
store or wherever the ATM is located), is the culprit that
attaches the $1 charge to your ATM tranactions. The casino
simply provides the ATM as a convenience so you can lose more 
money without leaving the premisis :-)

I just recently transferred to another bank with *no* ATM fees,
no matter what machine I use in the US (as long as it's on
the same network, Cirrus I think) just for this reason.
The casino does not get a dime, so don't blame them!
Call your bank to be sure what the rates will be, and what
the maximum withdrawal per day is (varies from bank to bank). 
You may find yourself switching to another bank like I did!

Good Luck in LV.

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Sun Microsystems, Billerica, Ma.   | at my 7-stud table in Foxwoods, CT.
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From: teskey@plains.NoDak.edu (Dr. Snake Voivod)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Blackjack tips for beginners/Casinos in Minneapolis
Summary: Butterfly (V) shuffle
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:50:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bx92o3.K63
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <Bx7qzv.13H@ucunix.san.uc.edu> kaufman@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Stephen A. Kaufman) writes:

>
>But the stutter is highly clumping.  It
>shouldn't produce dumping more often than usual.  I don't
>understand that at all.  I think your friend is fishy.
                                                 ^^^^^
                                                 He doesn't smell 
                                                 _that_ bad.. ;)
>Dr. K.

Hmm.. the problem seems to be that there is a real lack of continuity with
a V shuffled game.. you'll do great one shoe, get killed the next.  

Mostly get killed in my experience..

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From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:37:48 GMT

In article <1dmqqfINNsoe@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.015743.25990@walter.bellcore.com> jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg) writes:
>>
>>If you haven't been beaten with 4-of-a-kind, you've still got your poker
>>cherry.
>>>  Jon Rosen
>
>In the hold 'em case, if you discount four of a kind on the board and 
>you have the lower kicker, then I would imagine you could go many years
>of playing regularly and not get four of a kind beaten.  In three years
>of fairly serious hold 'em play, I've never had "real" quads beaten.
>
>It is worth noting, however, that very shortly after Garden City started
>dealing hold 'em, they had a $1-2 game with the following board:
>
>           7s 8h 9s 8s 7d
>
>The pocket 7's were beaten in two places (pocket 8's and 10s/Js).

  And theoretically could have been beaten again, by the 5s/6s, too :-)
  Can you imagine holding the 5s/6s on that hand?  It could easily
  drive you to suicide :-)  

  If that happens in a bad beat jackpot game, who wins the jackpot?
  The best beaten hand?  The worst? Do all of the hands that are better
  than Aces-full split the jackpot?  Would it be the courteous thing to
  do to offer some of the jackpot to the other beaten hands if they
  don't win anything?  Hmmm...

  Jon Rosen

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: kolt@quads.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo)
Subject: Re: Casino Marketing Toll-Free Phone Numbers
Reply-To: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:30:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.045640.17981@engage.pko.dec.com> cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor) writes:
>
>
>In article <1992Nov11.001406.4214@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes...
>>Does anyone have a list of the toll-free numbers of the casino marketing
>>departments for the casinos in Nevada (and Atlantic City, for completeness)?
>Here are some, but they're not guaranteed.  I haven't checked them recently.
>CASINOS - ATLANTIC CITY
>Claridge         800-442-4263
>Harrah's         800-237-6648
>Sands            800-AC-SANDS
>Trump Plaza      800-677-WINS
>CASINOS - LAS VEGAS
>L.V. Hilton      800-635-0331
>Riviera          800-437-7951
At the Trop (AC in the desert) and 4Q, by calling the standard 800# you get one
of those neat "push one for this, and two for that" systems. One of the choices
is casino marketing.
Matt

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:10:29 GMT

In article <1dbbo8INNpil@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bi011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill King) writes:
>A little note: On a recent trip to AC, I tried to walk into a
>casino with a pair of radio headphones on, but the security guard
>stopped me, even though other times I had taken it in. Anyway, I
>had to leave it at the coat room. I guess radio walkmans are another
>banned item? Also, I don't think cameras are allowed either in A.C.

Hmmm.  I was in Reno earlier this year, and another player at a
blackjack table was wearing a walkman.  Nobody said anything to
him.  Of course, he had the volume turned up so loud I could hear
what he was listening to, and I was at third base, and he was at
first.  Can you say "deaf before 30" ?

Guido
From: marlon@milpa.EBay.Sun.COM (Marlon Pearson)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Craps Bets
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:32:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: milpa.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Nov4.232320.6230@midway.uchicago.edu> kolt@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>And I have a question: The house advantage on placing the 4/10 and 5/9 is
>6.67% and 4% respectively. Every craps publication I've read says therefore,
>that a buy of the 5/9 is a bad idea, since the PC is only 4%. But at many 
>casinos, you pay the juice on the win only. As a result, that means that it
>is a better play to buy the 5/9 than to place it:
>
>Buying the 5 for $40 pays 3:2 or $60-$3 for $57.
>Placing the 5 for $40 pays 7:5 or $56.
>
>Why do the authorities say it's a poorer bet than the place bet?
>How many casinos charge the juice on the winnings? Am I not seeing this 
>properly?
>
Here is how I figure it (hopefully correct). Your $3 juice on the buy bet is
when you make the bet not just if you win it. So if you make 5 place bets & 5 
buy bets, each winning twice and losing three times you get.

Buy bets; 5 * (40 + 3)  = $215 out of hand (bets and juice)
	  2 * (40 + 60) = $200 in winnings 

Place bets; 5 * 40        = $200 out of hand (just bets)
            2 * (40 + 56) = $192 in winnings

So for the buy bet you would be down $15 in $215 of action and 
for the place bet you would be down $8 in $200 of action. Seems they
are both bad but the buy is worse.
I think I am using the term action correctly here.


Marlon
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Las Vegas Odds
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:05:59 GMT
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Hello fellow gamblers,


Does any body know the odds of the 49ers winning the superbowl this year?
Did Vegas already post odds on who will win the world series in 93, who are the
longshots to win the world series and what are the odds

Does any body know thy odds of the Golden State Warriors winning the NBA Title
this year?
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:27:55 GMT

In article <dbarber.721163737@crash.cts.com> dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
>Is 4-of-a-kind considered a pat hand in draw poker?
>(If there were any replies to my previous post on this question,
>they were lost by my machine -- sorry.)

  Every book I have ever read on the subject says that if you hold this
  remarkable hand, you should randomly (yeah, sure, like I am going to
  hold this hand several times in the next few weeks so I will decide
  randomly :-) draw or not draw the fifth card solely to confuse the
  other players.  Right :-)  My guess is draw and have a 6-gun ready
  in case it turns out you needed the high kicker you pitched :-)  

  If you 4-of-a-kind pat is beaten in a draw game, you might consider
  giving up poker for life.  Or entering a monastary (oh, same thing :-)
  
  Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: 3 card monte
From: <JAC150@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:58:40 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I am seeking more information on this fantastic money getter.  Anyone with
different hand movesplease contact me.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: stylian@aramis.uucp (Philip Stylianos)
Subject: One day to Vegas
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:18:10 GMT

I leave for LV tonight, and had a few last-minute questions.
My first time, you know. I'll be staying on the Strip.

1) Are craps tables below $5 minumum plentiful? Where's the nearest to my hotel?

2) Anyone have success with Silberstang's craps "systems," i.e. you lost less 
   money than you normally do?
   (Enough mailings to me gets those systems posted).

3) For me, playing blackjack sometimes is as interesting as working on a factory
   assembly line, especially when rigidly using Basic Strategy and Hi-Opt I. But,
   I do respect the game and the research behind it. And I am excited that single
   deck games actually do exist in LV (I only played in AC when living in PA). So,
   where is the closest single deck game? Closest single deck game with <=$5 min?

4) Double odds on craps (I've seen 3X, too) are plentiful in AC. And LV? If not, 
   where are they?



Thanks oh so
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From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:36:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.021550.22156@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb) writes:
>> >  If you 4-of-a-kind pat is beaten in a draw game, you might consider
>> >  giving up poker for life.  Or entering a monastary (oh, same thing :-)
>> 
>> Oh, come on, JR.  4-of-a-kind ain't that rare.  Last trip to LV I had
>> three 4-of-a-kind's playing Omaha hi-lo, all within a few days.
>
>Please read posts carefully before flaming them.  He was taking about five-card
>draw, in which 4-of-a-kind *is* a pretty rare event.  It would naturally be
>more common in a game like Omaha.
 
  Andy, thanks for the defense, but JR and I are on reasonably good net
  terms, and I highly doubt his comment was intended as a flame.  More 
  likely a good-natured ribbing.
>
>> (My favorite was when I was dealt 4 10's as my Omaha hole cards.  Those
>> of you familiar with Omaha will appreciate the irony in this.  Also, you
>> will realize that I REALLY only two 4-of-a-kinds.)
>
>For those of you not familiar with Omaha, the procedure is that each player
>gets four pocket cards, followed by a round of betting.  Then five table cards
>are dealt, with rounds of betting after the third, fourth, and fifth (as in
>Hold 'em).  On the showdown, one must use exactly two pocket cards and exactly
>three table cards.  The irony > refers to is that he actually has oly a pair
>and little hope of improvement, so his hand is really garbage.

  Yup, as I commented myself in another post.  
>
>> If you haven't been beaten with 4-of-a-kind, you've still got your poker
>> cherry.
>
>I don't know, I imagine there are good players out there who never play
>anything but lowball. At least give them credit for losing with a 6-5.

  Jon
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:43:06 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

> From what I have seen in Nevada electronics devices including cameras are
> "PROHIBITED". I Don't know if this is by law or house rules.
> The reason should be obvious from your post.
> I hear some casinos have devices to detect electronics devices from the
> RF they put out. So such a device would have to be very well shielded in 
> addition to being hidden as you propose.
> 
> Marc Christensen

I was in Laughlin about 10 days ago. At the Harrah's there, there were big
signs outside saying that cameras were permitted in the casino!!

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
Subject: Re: Casino Marketing Toll-Free Phone Numbers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:50:32 GMT



In article <1992Nov11.001406.4214@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes...
>Does anyone have a list of the toll-free numbers of the casino marketing
>departments for the casinos in Nevada (and Atlantic City, for completeness)?
>I'm not asking for what's in the FAQ.  Those are the numbers for the
>hotel.  Real Rec.Gamblers make their reservations via casino marketing,
>not the regular hotel room reservations.  (You can often get better rates
>and probably better rooms via casino marketing, if you are a rated player.)

Here are some, but they're not guaranteed.  I haven't checked them recently.

CASINOS - ATLANTIC CITY

Claridge         800-442-4263
Harrah's         800-237-6648
Sands            800-AC-SANDS
Trump Plaza      800-677-WINS

CASINOS - LAS VEGAS

L.V. Hilton      800-635-0331
Riviera          800-437-7951

>If you call the hotel number they will more often than not *refuse* to
>transfer you to casino marketing, and then they will more often than not
>give you the *toll* number for casino marketing.  

I have never been REFUSED the toll-free marketing number by a reservationist,
but I've had to ASK for it after being given the POTS (Plain Old Telephone
Service) number.  You can also get some of the numbers via 800 DA
(800-555-1212).

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 Dave C.                          cantor@star.enet.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corp., Nashua, NH  03062, USA
  The views expressed herein are my own, except where attributed to
  someone else.  They are neither the opinion of, nor the responsibility
  of, Digital Equipment Corporation.
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Splash is Open Again
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:19:39 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

It's now old news, but for continuity's sake.....

Splash Casino is now open again.


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