HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: Re: Weight/appearance of professional models; Re: Obesity
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:05:10 GMT




In a previous article, mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) says:

>In article <1992Jul20.172044.20105@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>Most photography & mirrors (thru the same principals) tend to make the
>>human body's width-to-height aspect look larger than it really is;
>>i.e., it makes us look fatter.
>...
>>It is unfortunately true that most people have no clue about the
>>effects photography & mirrors have on width-to-height aspect. 
>
>That is because normal photography and normal mirrors do NOT distort the
>width-to-height ratio of the thing being imaged.  (Earlier, I was describing
>a _special_ technique that is used in fashion photography.)
>
>Take a picture of anything of known dimensions, measure the picture, and
>you'll see what I mean.  No distortion.
>


Could there be a psychological distortion, then?  Something to do with the
photo being flat and the world 3-D? 


I know that I have seen snapshots of people that I've also seen on TV and the
movies, and they look less good in the snapshots, which one would expect.

BUT, when I saw them in real life, even close enough to touch, they often
looked far better than either the snapshots or the screen image.  It really
surprised me the first few times, to see them looking younger, trimmer, and
generally better; I was expecting the opposite. 

Bonita Kale
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: menstrual cycle "regulation" with co-workers
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:16:06 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul18.065316.27248@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) writes:
> In article <4136@wet.UUCP> butch@wet.UUCP (Butch Katigbak) writes:
>>There was a published report on this by the New England Journal of Medicine.
> 
> They're called 'pheromones'.  I'd be interested in this article if there
> is a reference.                 


Try _Science_ (AAAS) for the winter of 1974-75.  Probably December or
January.  Sorry I can't be more specific, but it was a while back...

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: tennis elbow
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:57:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.130321.5119@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx574@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Betty J. Page) writes:
}
}What exactly is tennis elbow?  What are the symptoms and what
}are some treatments?

This month's issue of "Consumer Reports" includes a review of tennis
rackets and that includes a side-bar article on tennis elbow.  I don't
have it handy, but I recall they said 95% of all cases of tennis elbow are
_not_ caused by playing tennis.

}Perhaps someone can relate their experience with tennis elbow?

I blame most of my case on the mouse attached to my keyboard.  My doctor
gave me a bag of Lodine (anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic, analgesic) and
recommended I sleep wearing a wrist brace.  Beyond that the treatment
seems to be "Don't do that." (-:

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
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From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Anesthesia for plantar wart removal
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:30:24 GMT

I just had several plantar warts removed and it was an excruciating
experience.

The anesthetic used was 1% lidocaine w/epinephrine directly
infiltrated.  Injection into the plantar surface was incredibly
painful itself, but then as the surgical removal continued
it was apparent that the anesthesia was not completely effective --
causing much more pain.

I have a normal pain threshold, not really sensitive but not
macho-man tolerant, and this was really, really painful.

Now I look in the medical library and I find the recent
articles on plantar warts all seem to recommend nerve
block anesthesia for such procedures, specifically anesthesia
of the posterior tibial nerve.  As one article put it,
"the posterior tibial nerve block is most commonly used
because injection into the plantar skin is so painful
and procedures on that surface are required more often."

So now my question to the net-experts before my followup
visit.  Is there any common reason my physician did not
use the nerve-block anesthesia?  Is it common to just use
direct infiltration when surgically removing plantar
warts?  Is the nerve-block injection just as painful as
each plantar injection?  Why is injection into the
plantar skin so much more painful than, say, into the
hand or even face?

And a last question -- why is local anesthesia so painful
in general? I read that it is directly caused by the
acidic nature of the anesthetic -- but why does the anesthetic
have to be so acidic?  Is it not possible to buffer it?

Thanks for any info.

Bill
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From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Causes of amenorrhea?
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:28:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I'm curious about the possible causes and implications of the lack of
a menstrual period in young non-underweight women.  Both in the
situation of a woman who never experiences menstruation as well as
the case of a woman who has irregular periods for a few years
following puberty and then none thereafter.

Assuming the person is happy with the situation and a gynecologist
concurs, is it prudent to not treat the abnormality?  Could
amenorrhea be related to thyroid problems later in life?

I am also wondering if there are any causes known to be genetic and
how this might affect children (male or female) of such a woman.

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artemis@netcom.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: damon@netcom.com (Damon Skaggs)
Subject: Feedback about norplant needed
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:00:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


I would appreciate anyone with firsthand experience with Norplant
giving some feedback about it.  I am interested in how they like it,
what they don't like about it. sideaffects, etc.  What about failure
rates?  I know it is supposed to be very effective.  Has anyone heard
of a actual failure?  What does it do to sexual drive?  I know some
pills have a large effect on drive in some women.  I would appreciate
any information anyone can give me.


Damon Scaggs
damon@netcom.com

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From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Subject: Re: Telephones and Doctors
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:56:01 GMT

>In article <1992Jul22.160205.21344@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>
>-On the other hand, if people assume all doctors are rich, then
>-doesn't telling people you are a doctor help you meet women?

Only women with bad backs and period problems.

Michael

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From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: nasal steroid sprays
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:31:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I'm a patient, not a doctor, but here goes:

(1) Nasalide is effective for _me_ if sprayed 2 times per day in each
nostril.  This is a rather low dose, but that's after using the full
dose for a few weeks and then cutting back.

(2) Food allergies can certainly stuff up your nose. Chocolate does mine.
So do peanuts.  (No, I mean _eating_ peanuts, wise guys!!)

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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Questions for MDs
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:39:09 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <54911@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>
>If the shoe store acted that way, they would lose customers.  If there
>was ER competition, an ER which treated patients that way should lose
>its business as well.

The ER isn't a money maker at most hospitals but a money loser.
Too many of the patients who use the ER are indigent and often
the hospital has to swallow the costs of their treatment.  In
addition, by maintaining an ER, hospitals provide a door for
indigents to enter their hospital, incurring even more unrecoverable
costs.


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From: cuegf@dcatla.uucp
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Questions for MDs
Date: 15 Jul 92 18:21:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Communications Associates, Alpharetta, GA

In article <15596@pitt.UUCP>, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
> In article <7187.2A585138@stjhmc.fidonet.org> Daniel.Prince@p0.f129.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Prince) writes:
>>

(long list of questions for a physician deleted)

> 
> Any doctor in his right mind that receives this questionaire
> will do whatever he can to keep from becoming your doctor.
> It would be hard to think of any way you could start out
> worse, other than by saying you intended to sue at the first
> opportunity.  You would have to be very desperate for patients
> indeed to want to take you on, based on this.

I would advise any patient to stay away from a doctor who refuses
to answer a question.  Doctors who view assertive (as the questions
seemed to me) patients as threatening, as the above response seems
to indicate, most likely have their own self-interest placed 
largely above their patients, IMHO. Someone who equates 
assertive questioning as evidence of probability of suing is indeed
insecure, and could have something to hide.  Doctors who expect
patients to be silent recepticles of medical treatment instead of
human beings first should probably be avoided as much as possible,
IMHO.

Ed Francell

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From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Heart attack vs. indigestion; was: Re: Angiography
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:56:27 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul29.043243.29269@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>What are some guidelines to help a patient distinguish between 
>cardiac pain and indigestion?  
>
>(That is, when does one decide to go to the emergency room
>rather than merely taking a Tums?)

Unless you have a well-diagnosed GI condition, such as esophageal
reflux, you should go to the ER. Period. While there are some
guidelines for distinguishing the pain, they are VERY unreliable.
In particular, an inferior wall myocardial infarction can present
as simple gastric upset with vomiting. Add to that the fact that
half of all MIs involve no symptoms at all. I guarantee that your
doctor cannot diagnose chest pain without seeing you, so I don't
think it is advisable for you to try to do that. One advantage:
When you go to the ER with chest pain, you do not have to wait.

 -km
From: fzjaffe@othello.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Tube in throat during surgery, was Re: Why are Butterfly Needles...
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:47:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <viking.712555493@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>	Now then, one minor quibble.  I went in for hernia surgery.  This
>means a 4" long cut in my groin.  Why, then, do they put that tube down my
>throat?  It made coughing a very likely thing, what with a raw throat thanks
>to this tube and an oxygen-rich atmosphere, and after hernia surgery I don't
>need this sort of thing.  Perhaps there might be another method of traching
>somebody that doesn't cause the sort, scratchy throat?  Perhaps a light
>water mist into the throat at specified intervals, or a losenge that would
>coat it?  I'd bet you'd have less people pulling stitches afterwords.
>
Well... the reasons for/against putting a tube down your throat would
take several years to discuss, although a certain statistician I know
would say that your anesthesiologist should suffer the consequences for
not thoroughly educating you preoperatively about this!

You obviously had general anesthesia for this operation.  Inguinal
herniorrhaphies can be done under local, spinal/epidural, or general
anesthesia.  With general anesthesia, we give enough medication to make
you immobile, unconscious, and unreactive to stimuli.  Either you can
breathe on your own, or we can control your respiration.  The type of
anesthetic will help determine whether you'll even try to give a decent
respiratory effort.  Multiple considerations (body habitus, face and
neck anatomy, etc.) will help determine whether you'll be able to
maintain a clear airway while anesthetized.  Also, we have to assess
your risk of inhaling stomach fluids(or solids!) during anesthesia
(anyone see the move "The Verdict"?).  With this information, we can
decide whether your general anesthetic can be done with just a mask (and
you breathing) or with an endotracheal tube (and us doing the work).

You might think that spraying or putting something down the trachea
would lessen the irritation.  We used to put lidocaine jelly on the
tube, but studies showed that that INCREASED postop irritation--go
figure.  Sore throat is very common after being intubated, and we don't
have any good solutions right now.

P.S.  A while ago I mentioned that fear of malpractice suits has caused
some changes in practice that do not benefit the individual patient.
One "indication" for intubation is fear of being sued if someone
aspirates under anesthesia.  Never mind that most aspirations occur in
the recovery room, or that most patients are at an extraordinarily low
risk for life-threatening aspiration but at a very high risk for sore
throat.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: athlete's foot and ringworm
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:12:12 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

I read recently that the same fungus that causes ringworm is what causes
athlete's foot?  Also, thrush is the same thing, only in the mouth.  Any
clarification out there?

Thanks.,
Alice
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Heart attack vs. indigestion; was: Re: Angiography
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:59:51 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul30.003724.28796@equalizer.fps.com> joel@fps.com (Joel Broude) writes:
>>>What are some guidelines to help a patient distinguish between 
>>>cardiac pain and indigestion?  
>
>>
>>Unless you have a well-diagnosed GI condition, such as esophageal
>>reflux, you should go to the ER. Period.
>>
>>One advantage:
>>When you go to the ER with chest pain, you do not have to wait.
>
>Unless you are a member of Kaiser in Los Angeles.  Four years
>ago my 79-year-old uncle, who had suffered a stroke three years
>before that, went into Kaiser Emergency complaining of chest pain.  

This is the second response about Kaiser. Do they operate a
hospital, or a freestanding emergency thing? When I said "ER"
I meant one attached to a hospital. 

When I used to moonlight in an ER, we would get HMO patients.
We were supposed to "get approval" from the HMO before treating
them, but that didn't apply to serious complaints like chest pain.
We treated those people and called the HMO later. 

BTW, my biggest complaint about HMOs from the standpoint of when
I moonlit, was that they could NEVER supply you with decent
medical information over the phone. I had people come into the ER
with the same complaints that they went to the HMO with 2 weeks
earlier, and had tests run at the HMO. When I would call the HMO
I could never get information on what was done or the results.
That is when I first started getting pissed off at HMOs, and it
has been downhill ever since.

I am not opposed to HMOs in principle. Only in practice.

 -km
From: Elisabeth.B..Shaw@f35.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Elisabeth B. Shaw)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Vicodin, over the counte
Date: 9 Jul 92 14:09:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/35 - Cat's Cradle BBS, New Orleans LA

WH> EBS> Just a thought...Tabasco?  I understand it contains capsaicin, and it'
WH> EBS> also cheaper than the OTC remedy.

WH>Other than the cosmetic problems of a crust of Tabasco on the skin, why not?

WH>By the way, commercial capsaicin creams are 0.025% to
WH>0.075% active ingredient.  I've no idea what the % active
WH>Tabasco is, I suspect an order of magnitude less, but who
WH>knows?

I wouldn't know, either.  I'd think it would be a stronger magnitude,
since you're dealing with essentially the pure stuff, although diluted
and salted a bit.

beth.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Anesthesia for plantar wart removal
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:48:38 GMT

|> In article <1992Jul27.063024.9833@seanews.akita.com> billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
> I just had several plantar warts removed and it was an excruciating
> experience.
> 
> Now I look in the medical library and I find the recent
> articles on plantar warts all seem to recommend nerve
> block anesthesia for such procedures, specifically anesthesia
> of the posterior tibial nerve. [...deleted..]
> 
> So now my question to the net-experts before my followup
> visit.  Is there any common reason my physician did not
> use the nerve-block anesthesia?  Is it common to just use
> direct infiltration when surgically removing plantar
> warts?  Is the nerve-block injection just as painful as
> each plantar injection?  Why is injection into the
> plantar skin so much more painful than, say, into the
> hand or even face?

When I was a teenager (25 years ago), I had a Planters wart removed
from my foot by X-ray.  I lay (supposedly) motionless face down on
a table, and a machine was pointed at the wart.  15 painless minutes 
later I walked out of the dermatologist's office with my shoes on and 
in no pain, and I had literally LIMPED in there with my shoe in my hand.

A year or so later I got another Planter's wart on my other foot.
I returned to the same dermatologist and was told that they couldn't 
X-ray them off anymore - too dangerous - so he had to cut it out, and 
it was indeed excruciating.

Talk about giant steps backwards.  Is there no way to make the X-ray
method safe?  I had no ill effects from it.

Jan

P.S.  My daughter now takes gymnastics, and among the older (high school
age) girls, Planter's warts are rampant (as is athlete's foot, even among
the younger ones).  I've heard the other mothers voice their suspicions 
about the girls spitting on the gloves they use on their hands to do the 
bars, viruses picked up from all the bare feet on the mats, etc.  Does 
anyone out there have any evidence or informed opinions about how athlete's 
foot and Planter's warts get transmitted in such an environment?
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Obesity definition
From: Daniel.Prince@p0.f129.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Prince)
Date: 17 Jul 92 05:53:26 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:102/129.0 - One World, Redondo Beach CA

>from: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)

 geb> In article <1992Jul6.200800.13550@fig.citib.com> ghica@fig.citib.com
 geb> (Renato Ghica) writes: >
 >
 >So what is the medical definition of OBESITY?
 geb> 
 geb> Most people use 20% over ideal weight.  Morbid obesity is 100%
 geb> over ideal weight.

Yes, but how do you determine ideal weight?  If you use a chart, 
which one do you use?  Do You use 20% above the maximum weight 
for your height or 20% above the midpoint?

... Information is the most valuable commodity in the universe.

 

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From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: anovulatory cycts
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:39:34 GMT
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA

In article <240013@hpbbi4.BBN.HP.COM>, sude@hpbbi4.BBN.HP.COM (#Susanne Denninger) writes:
>Hi Toni,
>
>I'd like to send you a mail message on this subject but my system somehow
>cannot reach yours ...
>Any hints via which mailnodes I should go ?
>
>Susanne Denninger
>sude@hpbbi4.BBN.HP.COM


Susanne,

I tried sending you an e-mail msg too, but it bounced back.  Try me
again at derion@vax309.navy.mil, which is not (for some reason) the
network address that was posted for me.  Good luck!

Toni D.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone)
Subject: Re: Red Hot Chili Peppers...(was: Colonic irrigations)
Keywords: alt medicine
Reply-To: stone@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Glenn Stone)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:09:32 GMT

In article <23333@alice.att.com> ark@alice.UUCP () writes:

>Here's another possible explanation: is it impossible to grow hot
>peppers in cool climates.
>
>At least that's what I infer from an article I read in a gardening
>magazine a few years ago about growing hot peppers.  It said that the
>hotness of all kinds of peppers depends critically on the temperature
>while they are ripening; if it is not at least 95 degrees, the peppers
>will not be hot.

The hottest peppers I have ever tasted were the jalapenos I grew in
the Lower Illinois Valley (Calhoun Co., IL).  That's way north of the
tropics and it rarely reached 95 that whole summer.  They were much
hotter than any jalapenos or serranos I grew in Tucson, where 95 would
be a cool day in the summer.




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From: nkk@wet.UUCP (Butch Katigbak)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: used to be very fat....
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:21:30 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <Bs6sEz.Iz3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpe36878@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mr. Mensa ) writes:
>	First, my situation. When I was a senior in high school, I weighed in
>at 315 lbs and by August of that same year, before I took off for school, I
>had dropped to about 200 lbs. Today, I weigh about 190 (I'm now a senior
>in college). 

 How did you manage to LOSE all that weight and more important
how did you manage to continue to keep it off?