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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Charter of this group
Originator: brad@buck
Keywords: What is it??
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:58:25 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.011512.10592@vpnet.chi.il.us>, lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:

[stuff deleted]

|> Rec.autos.antique shall NOT be for the discussion for the non-stock
|> modification, customization or souping up of antique autos.  It shall

I would be inclined to question this. As an owner of an Austin Healey, I
read much literature on this and other marques, and non-stock modification 
is a very frequent and widely accepted practice. It was even done by the 
manufacturers themselves. 

Healeys were constantly being modified by the Healeys themselves, and 
they were always fussing around with race prepared "works" cars to make 
them faster, better handling, etc. They offered performance enhancing kits 
for sale to the public so the owner could make an existing car faster. 
Long after production ceased, Donald Healey was attending Healey shows 
where people had made numerous "improvements", including installing V8 
engines in place of the stock 6, and he applauded these activities.
Anything that improved power, speed, handling, or drivability was 
encouraged.

There are purists who insist that every detail be exactly as it was
when the car left the factory, and this is fine, but it is not the
only way to look at it. 

I think it is good to talk about modifications, with the proviso that
they not violate the intent of the design, i.e. putting a racing cam
in an MGA is cool, mag wheels and 50 series tires on a Model T is not.
But regardless of your taste, we must not dictate. We should set the
tone by example, not by censure.
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From: chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman)
Subject: Re: Info wanted: Citroen 7CV
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:32:30 GMT

cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:

>In article <snu7fg0@zola.esd.sgi.com> cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook) writes:
>>Hey, folks,
>>	Pardon me if this is an inexcusably silly question, but
>>does anyone have any information on the Citroen 7CV? I know they
>>were introduced in 1934. Until when were they made? How rare 
>>are they? Are any available in the US, and what might one expect
>>to pay, were any available? Where might I find a good source of 
>>information about these cars? Just curious.

>	Actually, aren't you thinking about the 2CV?  The Duck?  I think that
>it is the one that was originally introduced in 1934, it has a Top Speed of 
>around 65 - 70 mph.  It is only made in Portugal (from what I know) and not
>available new here.  Grey market might be a diferent story.  I have no clue as
>to where to find out about them.  I think that they are cute, but have no power.

Since I have been met with ultimate silence every time I ask about
Citroens (someday, a CX _will_ be mine), I will post my little bit of
knowledge. The 2CV has apparently changed quite a bit, at least in
appearance, over the years. In the '30's it looked _nothing_ like the
rather 'minimalist' 2CV made in the '70's. In the movie DIVA, there is a
30's-era 2CV. 
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From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: 1962 Ford Mercury Comet
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:40:59 GMT
Distribution: usa 
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Can anyone tell me approximately how much a 62 Mercury Comet would be
worth?  It is running (takes a while to warm up, but runs well after
that), and its in good condition.  

A rough range would be fine.


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From: ctso@wam.umd.edu (CT Shock)
Subject: Re: Corvairs
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165722.14180@mlb.semi.harris.com> cdavies@ZOO.ess.harris.com writes:
>I am currently in the process of restoring a '63 Corvair coupe.
>I am interested in finding sources for parts (other than Clark's).
>Does anyone have any suggestions.
>

Clarks in New England is by far the best source after you've exhausted
all other possibilities. I've had:
	1963	Monza Convertible
	1963	Corvair 95 (the van with no windows)
	1964	Monza Coupe
	1966	Corsa Convertible
	1963	Spyder 

I also used to live in the Orlando area (dunno how close that is to you)
several years ago, and found that the local scrap yards had _tons_ of
corvair parts. In fact it was in one of these junkyards that I found 
the only example of the corvair station wagon (forget the name... Lakewood?)
that I've ever seen. Try the ones out state Rte 50 and the ones down
Orange Blossom Trail towards Kissimmee. Dunno how many of these places are 
still in business, but they kept me running for quite a while.
	-Todd
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Xref: sparky rec.autos.antique:12 misc.forsale:31383
From: lagaipa@mondec.monmouth.edu (Joseph A. La Gaipa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,misc.forsale
Subject: 1963 Chevy Impala - nice original condition - $2800
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:27:16 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: nj


1963 Chevy Impala
 6 cyl, 4 door, automatic
 97,000 Original miles            
 White with blue interior
 Approved for Classic Car insurance
 Exterior repainted once, in solid condition (no dents)
 Interior, original, nice condition . One tear in drivers seat.
 Engine, runs ok, rebuilt once, but needs a little work.
 
  $2800. 

 Posted for my retired father, call him at (908)776-5479
 or I may be reached at

      
       Joseph A. LaGaipa, Director of Computer Services
                          Monmouth College, West Long Branch, N.J. 07764
                         at (908) 229-8410 (home)
                            (908) 571-3551 (work) 
          Internet   lagaipa@monmouth.edu

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From: rex@eng.umd.edu (Rex Root)
Subject: Re: '67 restoration questions
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:16:41 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa


Well, Rich really joggled my memory .... Thinking back now I remember that
a lot of the options were part of "Interior/Exterior Decor Options".

I can say that Rich's research is alot more accurate than my discription
of the GT package.

Gee, I forgot about all that ginger bread stuff inside the car:

                Special door panels with aluminum inserts and molded
                  armrests.  The door handle changes to a pull back
                  type mounted in the front of the armrest.

                Special grille in the lower door with courtesy lights
                  in the center of the grille.

                Brushed aluminum dash inserts (rather than the black
                  camera case type).

                Molded seat backs and side shields, plus trim buttons in
                  the seat back cushion.


                Bright trim on brake and clutch pedals.


                Eletric clock in dash


 Sure wish I had that Dark Moss Green Mustang today :-(

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   Rex L. Root, Jr.                 '61 Ford Starliner
   rex@eng.umd.edu                  390 w/three on the tree
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From: spit@neuro.duke.edu (Michael Burdick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: rec.autos.antique.forsale
Keywords: For Sale
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:51:30 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Nov17.215710.8964@pb2esac.uucp> rgrodr1@pb2esac.uucp (Robert Rodriguez) writes:
>Would this be the place to advertise antique cars and parts or should
>there be a forsale newsgroup ?
>
>I've got a bunch of 1960 Chevy parts and some '49 Cadillac parts I'd
>like to get rid of.
>

I say: post 'em.  If it becomes a problem, we can work something out later.

Regards,
Mike Burdick
spit@neuro.duke.edu
mburdick@molecular.unmc.edu
From: mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Margot Peter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: 61 Impala for sale
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:30:15 GMT
Reply-To: mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

1961 Chevy Impala convertible, white with red trim, rebuilt 283 engine, all
original except upholstery (the dog ate it). Runs fine and is used daily.
Richard has owned and loved this car since 1965. You can either email me or
contact Richard by phone at 916-343-9391. Make him an offer he can't refuse.
Margot
p.s. We'll be out of town Wed thru Sun of this Thanksgiving week. Have a happy
holday!
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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Beginner seeking information
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:14:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.antique
Distribution: na
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

Sometime in the future, I'm going to indulge my fantasy of many years, and
buy and fix up a vintage car (probably late '40's or 50's).  I want to start
educating myself now.  I have rudimentary mechanical knowledge (I used to do
all my own routine maintenance work on my '71 Valiant).  I know I have a
heck of a lot to learn.  I would really appreciate recommendations for books
and magazines.  Also, anyone reading this in the Seattle area, do you know
of any clubs or organizations that would be useful?  Basically, I'm trying
to hook into the antique auto network.

Thanks,
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From: dbrouw71@ursa.calvin.edu (Daryl Brouwer)
Subject: 1968 Dodge Monaco
Summary: VERY low miles, excellent show car
Keywords: Monaco
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:14:10 GMT

FOR SALE:  Dodge Monaco 1968 VERY LOW miles.  ALL original.  383 2bl.
2 door Drk. Green Hardtop.  Very Pristine.  

Very Interested Parties only:  708-422-4372  After 8 p.m.

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From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Charter of this group
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:57:23 GMT
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


In article <1992Nov23.161152.10787@mlb.semi.harris.com>, James W. Swonger writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.052641.6264@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:
>>    How can you question this?  .....  It's what the Usenet folks wanted!
>  In fact there was a bit of disagreement ...

Actually, as I recall it, there was little discussion.  There was a RFD
(discussion!) with the suggested charter.  A number of people requested
a more liberal charter.  They were essentially ignored.  Then came the
vote.

>  The fact that the vote passed reflects the desirability of the subject,
> not necessarily agreement with Gerry's parameters for the discussion...

I agree completely with James.
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From: djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY)
Subject: Re: Charter of this group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: What is it??
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:02 MST  

In article <1992Nov18.143032.12912@b8.b8.ingr.com>, mark@spike.b8.ingr.com (Mark Lanier) writes...
{ 
{I own two (that run, one doesn't) antique automobiles. O.K. a 66 GTO
{which i restored, and a 64 bonnieville convertable. I am only interested 


A '64 is an antique?

- Dave Segal
- U. of U. Biochemistry
From: davidme@tekig5.pen.tek.com (David R Meadors)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: More Ramblings ......
Keywords: Classics
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:12:47 GMT


 Although the charter for this group is > 25 year old cars, It seems to me that
 a lot of people are objecting ...Including me ...
 An Antique is merely something old that is precious right.... I consider my
 69 old,precious,antiquated,etc......Maybee the founders can reconsider becuz
 not all of us can afford the really classics .... seems to me this could be 
 dynamic and merely subject to the posters own beliefs in his or hers classic
 automobile .... that way we could have a larger and more informed discussion
 since alot of us drove some of these great classics in school etc....

 AS to Columbos Car I believe it's French.......

 Does anyone have a list of Northwest Swap Meets comin up and could you post
 it. ??????/



				     Dave Meadors
				     Pontiacs Forever
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From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)
Subject: SCREAMIN BUICK
Keywords: 231 ci---I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:53:08 GMT


Hi folks, I've got a question and this is really the closest newsgroup, I know 
of that it fits under, so here goes-


First, let me explain

I live in Stow Ohio, by Akron,Kent.  A couple of years ago I bought my 1981
Buick Regal with 23k original. I have been driving it around for my get
around car now for awhile, but folks, that 231 is worthless--sure it runs good,
but I could push the car faster than it takes off.

Anyway, Someday soon, I'll be dropping a new Chevy Replacement Bowtie V8
(345Hp) in it since it is a hell of a lot more than what I could build for the
price.

I am afraid to though because I do not know what emissions laws my work of art
would have to pass, ie. what exhaust system is 'required' by law.

Does anybody know what the rules are? Or where I can go to find out what
guidlines I have to stick by.


------You know, putting a restrictive exhaust system on a monster engine....
      well..... it sort of kills an inner part of my being.



Thanks, and hey, keep the American Dream alive.

steve
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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Subject: Re: PowerGlide
Keywords: Transmission, Chevy
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:57:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.220139.24710@pb2esac.uucp> rgrodr1@pb2esac.uucp (Robert Rodriguez) writes:
>Does anyone know which year(s) Chevy made an aluminum PowerGlide
>for their 235 C.I. straigt six ?
>
>Robert


The answer is...none!

The aluminum Powerglide became available in 1962 on the 327, and all engines
in 1963. The 235 was produced through 1962.
 
Ted Brooks
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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: SCREAMIN BUICK
Keywords: 231 ci---I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:29:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.005308.17974@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
>
>Hi folks, I've got a question and this is really the closest newsgroup, I know 
>of that it fits under, so here goes-

    Do we have to post the charter for this newsgroup EVERY DAY?  This
    post belongs in alt.autos.rod-n-custom!

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From: jer@vis.toronto.edu (Jeremy R Cooperstock)
Subject: 1964 Rambler American
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:56:38 GMT

Same question as previous post, different car.  I've got one sitting in
a garage on the west coast and am trying to figure out what to do with
it.  Drives fine, has < 70K miles, body's in great shape.  Anybody know
whether I should be hanging on to this beast, hoping it will go up in value?

Thanks,
  Jer
From: davidme@tekig5.pen.tek.com (David R Meadors)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Charter of this group
Summary: please repost .......
Keywords: What is it??
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:43:27 GMT

> 
>     How can you question this?  We set up the charter, it was agreed on
>     and voted on.  The group passed and was created.
> 
> | Help stamp out stupid .signature files!           Gerry Swetsky  WB9EBO  |



 How about reposting for those of us that just signed on ......

 To the Lady who posted about collecting and restoring I believe you can
 find all you need at the Payallup (sp) swap meet this spring ....



					   Dave Meadors
					   Pontiac Collector ....
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From: Janne.Anttila@lut.fi (Janne Anttila)
Subject: Re: Columbo's car
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:55:05 GMT
Disclaimer: Graecum est, non legitur.
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Nov23.003251.29334@wixer.cactus.org> will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz) writes:

   What is the make, model and year of the
   car that the tv/movie character Columbo
   drives? What is the value of that car?

Peugeot 403 Cabriolet from the early 60's, I guess.

 

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
From: robert@Everest.Tandem.COM (Robert Gadbois)
Subject: Clasic Motor Carrages
Keywords: 
	I have always wanted to restore a Porsche SPEEDSTER but know that I
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:27:37 GMT

will never have the kind of money it takes to buy a starter car (or cars).
The car is just too popular.  My next thought was to look into buying a reproduction kit car and have the next best thing.  While I wont be restoring
a great car at least I will be building the car myself.  I sent away for the brochure two weeks ago and recieved them monday.  Today I got a phone call 
(I gave them my number), telling me about a special silver anniversary deal 
which was only good though today.  I told the man I could not make a decision 
in one day.  It felt like a hard sell technique.

	So I deceided to write and see what other people think about
A) building a kit car B) is this company reputable C) the quality of 
kit cars and D) what value would you place a reproduction?
Robert
From: dukes@mickey.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael Dukes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: PowerGlide
Keywords: Transmission, Chevy
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:03:59 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Nov18.135719.19282@mcnc.org> brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.220139.24710@pb2esac.uucp> rgrodr1@pb2esac.uucp (Robert Rodriguez) writes:
>>Does anyone know which year(s) Chevy made an aluminum PowerGlide
>>for their 235 C.I. straigt six ?
>>
>>Robert
>
>
>The answer is...none!
>
>The aluminum Powerglide became available in 1962 on the 327, and all engines
>in 1963. The 235 was produced through 1962.
> 
>Ted Brooks
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>| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
>| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
>|                               ________                               |
>|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
>|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
>|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
>|                              |________|                              |
>|______________________________________________________________________|


Be careful whether you get the powerglide before 1967 or after.  powerglides
before 1967 had a rear pump so they could be push-started (put the
trans in neutral, coast up to 15 MPH and throw the thing into L, and
it will turn the engine over).  From 1967 on they couldn't be push-started,
because there wasn't a rear pump.  This is REAL important if you're
planning on getting the B&M shift kit or something else to beaf it
up a little, but this is probably left to alt.autos.rod-n-custom.
Just my $0.02.
mike
From: petitp@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Pascal Petit)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: For Sale BUICK ELECTRA LIMITED 76
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:14:44 GMT
Reply-To: petitp@cyclades.ma30.bull.com (Pascal Petit)
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.

BUICK ELECTRA LIMITED 76 for sale	Cause go back to France

Driven daily, runs great, body in great shape, very good condition. 160 000 miles

 I bought it five months ago and I haven't had any trouble, will run forever. 
Well maintained : my roomate is a mechanic, we have done some work on it.

Rare auto ! Fun to drive ! V8, 4dr, white leather roof, power seat, painting in
 excellent condition. Must see to appreciate.

	900$ best of.

 	(days) Billerica 508 294 31 45
	(eves) Cambridge 617 547 21 44
Come and have a look !
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From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Subject: Re: Columbo's car
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: sysmatt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:02 GMT

It's a Peugeot ... At least that's what Columbo says ... I don't know
what model or year.
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From: george@mech.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Columbo's car
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:57:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Mechanical Engineering

:
:it's a peugeot 403 cabriolet, an early '60s model [don't have the
:exact year; probably unimportant].  while not particularly valuable,
:it _is_ extremely rare, which caused the producers much anguish and
:dismay as the series dragged on and on...
:

i understand that the original car was sold and restored after
the series ceased production ( mid 70's or so ).  When they
started shooting new episodes a few years ago, they bought
back the actual car and 'un-restored' it.
( had to find a new dog though :-) 




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From: will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz)
Subject: Columbo's car
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 00:32:51 GMT

What is the make, model and year of the
car that the tv/movie character Columbo
drives? What is the value of that car?

Thank you.

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