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From: gws@n8emr.cmhnet.org (Gary Sanders)
Subject: Re: winterizing: Outboard
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 (1200/2400/v.32/pep)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:35:37 GMT


Well my first season is over. No major mishaps, but not much water either.
Anyway time to put the boat away for the season. What do I do? 
the boat is a 17ft VIP open bow, 1974 75hp Chrystler outboard. The boat 
and trailer will be stored along side my garage. 

So far my check list has.(random order)

Good cleaning inside and out
pull all drain plugs
trailer up on blocks
grease the hubs
Add winteriser to gas and run engine.
lock trailer hitch. 
moring cover on.
tarp over moring cover
Battery out of boat and stored in safe place.
Gas cans out of boat, empty and stored in saft place.
PFD cleaned and stored (inside or out?)

What about fire extingishers? can they be stored outside?

With the exception of running a gas winterizer through the motor
what else needs to be done. I see now drain plugs to pull. should the
motor be stored in a down or up position?


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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:36:19 GMT

In article <50700044@hpscit.sc.hp.com> rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) writes:
>I've heard that owners of very loud boats have a psychological
>need to be noticed;  based on low self esteem or some such...

I think that such generalizations are probably very valuable to
people who want to have a "good reason" to belittle someone. Otherwise
they're worth about the same as most pop psych, and only serve to
add fuel to a fire. 

-John
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cruising Boats (was Re: Book "Maiden Voyage")
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:12:40 GMT
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Sep29.140039.11552@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>,
legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
|>
|>   And I would think that with this intention, she might have wanted to try
|>sailing her boat singlehanded across the harbor first. But she didn't even
|>do that. Nor was she skilled at celestial navigation (by her own admission)
|>at first. Nor did she bother to flush out her water tank before leaving
|>or learn to bleed her engine's fuel system. All skills that would have been
|>valuable to her in the early stages of her journey.
|>   The point I'm trying to make is that a solo circumnavigation is not a 
|>"just do it" thing. If it was, people would set off on windsurfers with no
|>food nor even a change of underwear. Most of Tania's early problems were
|>the result of poor planning and incomplete sea trials. If she had sailed
|>the boat for a week or two at the builders yard, he would have fixed the 
|>engine. If she had sailed the boat by herself to Martha's Vinyard or around
|>Long Island, she would have found out the water tank needed flushing before
|>it became really important to have that water. If she had spent some time
|>practising her celestial navigation, she would have felt more secure about
|>where she was and where she was going from the beginning.
|>

 On the other hand, she has now sailed around the world while others
 sit around sharpening their pencils for the test that never comes.

=======================================================================
Chris J. Passier        |splish...splash...splish...splash...splish....
passier@x400gate.bnr.ca |squeak....creak....squeak...creak...squeak....
613.763.8909            |slap slap puff..slap slap puff..slap slap puff
BNR, Ottawa, Canada     |.... aaahhhhhhhhhhh!              Just Tri It!
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: sailing simulators
Keywords: moonpies, sailing
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:29:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Oct6.092923.59461
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct6.002230.8316@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, ddwa_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (The Viceman) writes:

Stuff deleted

|>
|>As a student, I am not willing to spend $55 for a game like this, 
|>(especially since it's not copy protected) 

And that justifies thievery I suppose!?

more stuff deleted

--
Hal Lynch

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	          Office of Computer Services
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From: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: how common is overhea
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:46:16 EST
Reply-To: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

MZ>an hour. How common is this? Does fresh-water cooling help?
Only if you run in salt water.  Otherwise it's not worth the extra
maintance, weight and trouble.

 How about an
MZ>alarm? How much damage is usual?

Every decently built boat should have an audible alarm as well as a gauge
for engine heat (and oil pressure).  There shouldn't be any damage because
the motor should never get that hot without you knowing about it.  

You may have some kind of case against your boatbuilder.

                        ........Nate
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From: fog@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Larry Fogelquist)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:15:58 GMT
Subject: Re: ??Evening El Toro races in South Bay??
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.boats

On Wednesdays evenings at Shoreline park, there is El Toro racing.  It is
a regular occurance with some very good sailors.  It is a lot of fun.  
	   
Below is a copy of a mailing that was sent to me.  Get ahold of Tony
Hunt at his address on the mailing if you need more information.  It's
a pretty informal affair but the racing is well organized.

**********************************************************************

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From: HUNT_TONY/HPG200_18@hpocia.sj.hp.com
Message-Id: <9207170002.AA23109@hpocia.sj.hp.com>
Subject: Rest of 1992 El Toro Season
X-Openmail-Hops: 1
To: fog@hpoemb.sj.hp.com
Status: RO

.......................................................................

El Toro Sailors,

   STEVENS CREEK RESERVOIR IS LOWERING!!

   We will sail there the remaining Wednesdays of July.

   For our pizza meeting, after sailing, we go to Apollo's just below the
   dam on the road out.

   ALSO, make note the Corkscrew Slough race will be August 29, 1992.

   Stevens Creek Dam is South of Stevens Creek Blvd. on Foothill Blvd.
   Cupertino.

   Starting Aug. 5 we meet at Mountain View Shoreline Park Sailing Lake.

   It's at the end of Shoreline Blvd. (formerly Stierlin Rd.)
   North, off 101 freeway.   The overpass re-construction should be done.
   The lake is at the end of the road passed the Shorline Amphitheatre
   and golfcourse.

   The park has no entrance fee but the lake has a $3 launch fee.

   We encourage novice sailors to come and watch and/or try
   it out.  Most of us learned by doing.

   Our first of two races starts at 6PM.  From September 16 the
   start will be 5:30PM and in October 5:00PM to beat the Dark.

   We adjourn to a nearby pizza parlor to talk about the
   sailing and allow the "Sea Lawyers" to conduct protest
   hearings.  We will probably go to ITALO'S in Sunnyvale,
   ask us for directions.

   Our sailing season continues every Wednesday evening
   during Daylight Savings Time, through October.  That's
   a lot of boating.

   The wind strength at the lake varies from "drift & snooze" to
   "athletic sailing" to "tip & swim".

   We give ourselves a trophy party after the season.

               Tony
From: am339@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael J. Logsdon)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Ships Bell Clock
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:54:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I want to buy a striking ship's bell clock.  It seems that
Chelsea #40033 is a good choice, and West Marine seems to have
the best price at $245.  Does anyone have experience with this
model, or offer other suggestions?  Quartz, please.

Mike Logsdon   am339@cleveland.freenet.edu   Stratagem C&C 38
From: erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:13:34 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Oct4.035032.10556@phri.nyu.edu>,
roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
|> 	A quiz question taken from real life.  You see 3 lights stacked one
|> atop the other in a straight line.  The bottom one is red, low down near the
|> water, the upper two are white.  You don't have any sense of scale, but you
|> can see that the vertical spacing between the two white lights is about the
|> same as between the bottom white and the red.  What kind of vessel have you
|> spotted?

This is not difficult. It's a vessel towing, port beam towards you,
i.e., heading from right to left across your field of view (but heading
is not necessarily the same as relative movement).  It's under
50m long.  The tow is under 200m long, and should be showing a white
all-round light at its stern, but perhaps that has gone out.  It's all
in COLREGS, which also say that you have to keep out of the way.  Other
things being equal, if the lights are on a steady bearing, or if you
think there is a risk of collision, you are obliged to sound one short
blast and turn to starboard.

BUT by now everybody will have read the real-life answer to the
question, and knows that it wasn't a tug after all.  It just goes to
show how one boat showing wrong lights can cause confusion to others.
But then, sticking rigorously to COLREGS and using the sound signals for
vessels within sight of one other would probably cause even more surprises.

    John Wexler
    Edinburgh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (daniel.c.mckibben)
Subject: balsa core deck repair
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:19:23 GMT


Recently someone mentioned that one of the Catalina's virtues was the lack
of a BALSA cored deck.  The deck of my Jeanneau has some areas with moisture
that I need to repair.  I've taken care of some of the leaks by re-bedding
vents and stancions.  The are also some cracks in the gel coat.  My 
surveyor recommended repairing the core by drilling holes from underneath
and filling them with epoxy via a syringe.  

Does anyone have experience with repair of balsa core?

How do I repair the cracks in the deck gel coat?



Thanks in advance,
Dan McKibben            dcm@hocpb.att.com

"Living aboard means no lawn to fuss with"
From: jeff@unix386.Convergent.COM (Jeff Beckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Abusing MAYDAY & ch 16
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:58:30 GMT
Organization: Unisys/Convergent, San Jose, CA

chatzi@beauty.asd.sgi.com (Chatzigianis Tony) writes:


>	                           On the other hand if he really doesn't know how and when to
>	use channel 16 and mayday, then we really need to have madatory licences and classes for
>	everyone who goes out there and has a radio. OVER.
>	
>-- 
>*********************************************************
>An eye for an eye		  Tony Chatzi
>will make the world go blind      ASD Video x3418
>*********************************************************

I would rather have the extra noise.  Someday you might be knocked
unconcious and have to rely on one of those untrained and unlicenced
people I like to call guests.  Would you rather that person say
"Gee, I'm not licenced and don't want to get a fine" or "Hell, I
don't know how to use this thing, but I'll sure give it a shot" ?
I know my answer.

It's illegal to purposely yell fire when you know that there isn't
one, but if you are CONVINCED there is a fire and are wrong, should
you be fined?

I do support educating people in the use of radios, but I am very
opposed to fines for misuse.  If a big percentage of the traffic
was blatant abuse, I'd agree.  But that is not the case.

Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Lake Powell
Keywords: Lake Powell, Houseboat, Question
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:02:34 GMT

Hi all.  I followed the Lake Powell thread of last week with great interest.
Just based on the glowing messages here our family and some friends have
decided to seriously look into vacationing on a houseboat there next summer.

Can anyone give us phone numbers etc. of marinas that rent houseboats?
I plan to write/call the Utah tourist bureau for general information
but don't know if they have that kind of commercial information available.

Also, what are the best times of the year to go there?  Hot enough to
enjoy swimming during the day and cool at night would be perfect.
Being from the midwest (and having no western experience) does the Lake
Powell region see wide temperature swings day-to-night?

Do houseboats have AC?  That is useable away from shore power?
(My boating experience doesn't include anything near that house-like :-)

Any and all additional information about lake Powell would be appreciated.
For that matter, information on "competing" lakes would be welcome also,
we haven't committed to anything just yet! :-)

Thanks,
Don

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Subject: Re: how common is overhea
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:04:48 GMT

On 5 Oct 92 13:46:16 EST, "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com> wrote:

>MZ>an hour. How common is this? Does fresh-water cooling help?
>Only if you run in salt water.  Otherwise it's not worth the extra
>maintance, weight and trouble.

> How about an
>MZ>alarm? How much damage is usual?

>Every decently built boat should have an audible alarm as well as a gauge
>for engine heat (and oil pressure).  There shouldn't be any damage because
>the motor should never get that hot without you knowing about it.  

>You may have some kind of case against your boatbuilder.

>                        ........Nate
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Umm, excuse me!  An engine alarm is rare indeed in small, gasoline-powered
boats, decently-built or otherwise.  I worked as a marine mechanic for a
few years, specializing in ouboard, I/O, and gasoline-inboard boats up to
about 30'.  I must have worked on a couple hundred boats in that time,
most with I/O and inboard engines.  Of all those boats, I saw _one_ that
had an engine alarm system (aside from the overheat alarms that
outboard manufacturers install on their engines in lieu of temperature
gauges), and that system was an optional accessory that the owner 
had installed.  These boats ranged from Bayliners to flats boats to 
Wellcrafts to Sea Rays to Boston Whalers to Bertrams.  While I have 
always recommended to the owners of inboard boats that they
install an overheat/oil pressure alarm, only a couple have ever taken me
seriously.

While it is well known among mechanics and boatbuilders that engine alarms
are a GOOD THING (tm), it is (or was, c.a. 1987) indeed unusual to find
one on a boat, and I would doubt that one could make much of a case
against the boat builder for not having provided one.

--
--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.

From: rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 13:37:58 GMT
Subject: Re: "A Rigger's Bend". Was: Hunter's Bend.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

> By the way, the Hunter's Bend is named for its inventor.  I learned it from

  Would that be Philo Bend, knot inventor extrordinaire?
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:08:32 GMT
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 4839@netcom.com, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>The 30 trades off seaworthiness in its hull form for space below.
>In order to achieve that cavernous main saloon, with its dinette
>that makes into an orgy-bed, the boat has been given a terminal
>case of nautical thunder-thighs.
> 
>It sails well, if kept flat, in spite of this. To the credit of
>the designers.

Will you amplify your statement on seaworthiness?  Do you
mean that the C30 is too beamy to be seaworthy?  By this do
you mean that if capsized it will remain inverted longer
than an otherwise similar but narrower boat?

BILL
From: ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Eric Schweitzer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:41:12 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Oct4.035032.10556@phri.nyu.edu>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy
Smith) says:
>
>        A quiz question taken from real life.  You see 3 lights stacked one
>atop the other in a straight line.  The bottom one is red, low down near the
>water, the upper two are white.  You don't have any sense of scale, but you

Since I can't think of ANYTHING that shows two whites over red, I would look
for alternatives, like a large (over 150 ft) boat showing fore and after
steaming lights coming head on with a dead starboard running light
(though the red light would then be a bit to one side, as it should mark
the side of the vessel), or a sail boat seen from the side with it's
spreader lights on (but no sail, or you would see that too) (which is
why the masthead on, since they are under power), or a tug with short tow
or pushing (showing 2 whites) and a red flashlight at the water, or.....

So what was it really?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject: Re: Boat Enhancement Advice
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<1992Oct5.171847.4940@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:30:16 GMT

Of course, some people consider Spinlock stoppers to be ``cheap
imitation Antals.''  We don't have any stoppers on our boat (yet),
but with all the glowing reviews I've heard (from locals and BOC
racers) I'd probably go for Antals unless I was really strapped for
cash.  Of course, Spinlock has redesigned some of their stoppers, and
a whole bunch of other reputable companies (Lewmar, Nicro, Ronstan)
have introduced some too.  Maybe this changes the situation.

Apropos of stoppers and cam cleats and rigging, does anybody (besides
Harken) have rules of thumb for working loads on jib halyards and
fairleads?  I assume this would be something like xx lbs/sq foot of
sail area, right?  Our jib measurements are I=57.98, J=17.74,
LPG=26.40, and our biggest jib is a 155%.

Thanks,
  Steph


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Re: GPS
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 13:18:30 GMT
Keywords: Happy



Terry,

Would you recommend GPS over Loran.

I'm new to this boating thing and have used
neither GPS nor Loran, but will be acquiring
one of these devices soon.  GPS is usually
noted as superior to Loran.  And it sounds as if
your happy.  Have you used Loran before??  Can
you make a comparison??  Is GPS worth the extra
money??

I don't plan to sail around the world, but sailing up
to Block Island, Martha's Vineyard, Cape Cod, etc
would be nice.

Thanks in advance,
Keith
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Messing About the Chesapeake
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:44:43 GMT

billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington) writes:

>I'm finally going to attend the Annapolis Boat Show next
>week.  I'm giving it two days, then plan to tour about the
>Chesapeake shoreline for several more days.  I'm looking
>for boat-oriented places to visit, would appreciate any
>suggestions.  And is there any such thing as a half- or 
>all-day excursion boat?  I'd like to spend a chunk of time 
>on the water.  

First of all, don't forget to explore Annapolis itself.  There is a
lot of history there.  Too bad it is so out of control crowded.
Downtown Baltimore is also worth a visit.

I haven't been to Annapolis for a while, but there used to be an
excursion boat that would take you from Annapolis across the Bay, up
Eastern Bay to St. Michaels.  St. Michaels is home of some of the best
seafood in Maryland as well as being a beautiful (if overcrowded)
harbor.  The boat returns to Annapolis later in the day.  It may go
back and forth twice.  This would let you see quite a bit of the Bay
from the water.  Unfortunately, St. Michaels is getting "condoed", but
the Crab Claw restaurant and the Chesapeake Bay maritime museum are
"must see" destinations.

The excursion boat leaves from the city pier in Annapolis, which is
also the site of the boat show, so I don't know if it operates during
the show or not.

Some key points about the Chesapeake:

The beautiful scenery is mostly on the Eastern shore.  The tourists
are mostly in Annapolis.

Driving around doesn't do it justice.  Someday you must return and see
it by water.  The region can be fairly boring from a car, although
this is less true in the fall when there is lots of wildlife, fewer
tourists, and fall colors.

If possible read the book "Beautiful Swimmers" before you go.

Some of my favorite places on the Eastern shore:

The Robert Morris Inn in Oxford.  This is a colonial era inn with good
food.  Oxford is fun to walk around, look at the boat yards, eat more
seafood.

Drive to Tilghman Island just to enjoy the scenery.  You may see a
working Skipjack on the way.

Blackwater wildlife refuge is beautiful in the fall.  Lots of
waterfowl and sometimes a Bald Eagle.

The towns of Deal and Chance have working boat fleets, including more
Skipjacks, and not too many yachts.  I spent a wonderful afternoon
repairing an engine in Chance with some of the locals once.

Chrisfield bills itself as a seafood capital.  If you get that far try
to catch the mail boat or passenger ferry out to Smith Island.  Very
picturesque.  More good food.

As usual I have gotten carried away just by thinking about the
Chesapeake!
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