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From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: Re: Inline wheel hubs
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:01:32 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Aug25.132551.8983@ll.mit.edu> ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones) writes:
>	It seems like the hubs are made with some sort of inferior plastic
>which expands quickly when heated (e.g. by bearing friction), which allows
>the wheels to slop around, which leads to additional heating...BOOM:
>wheel failure.

Too bad Rollerblade doesn't read Usenet...maybe they'd get some useful
consumer feedback...

>	One question: how much play is acceptable in an inline bearing?
>Even when new, the bearings in my skates have had more lateral play
>in them than I would find acceptable in, say, a bicycle wheel bearing.
>Of course, I'm a perfectionist when it comes to bicycle maintenance.
>Is some play normal in a non-adjustable bearing?

I would think that any play in the bearings would be undesirable, since
in-line wheel dimensions are so small as it is, even a small amount of
jiggling will translate into a large percentage of wasted energy.  The
difference between skating on aligned and non-aligned -hubbed wheels is
HUGE (I will vouch for that).  Although a load-free spin test isn't a
entirely valid comparison of wheels/hubs/bearings, my RB wheels spin
about 3/4 a turn...my Hyper Superlites spin about 30-40 seconds (I
won't even try counting the revs! 8-)  Same bearings, same axels, same
everything, except the wheels.  Oh well, I've babbled long enough...

-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
 adchen@cookie.cs.uiowa.edu

"Skate or DIE!" 
   - that classic coin-op video game, 720


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From: nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov
Subject: Re: I'm alive and well (Re: More rollerhockey stuff: sticks)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
	<24AUG199217482764@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:53:24 GMT

In article <24AUG199217482764@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Anyway I've been doing a lot of fun stuff on skates - some of you might
>enjoy a few of these activities. I've been in-lining after work here at
>NASA with a friend; we have a bunch of strange structures around the base 
>and it's been a whole lot of fun finding all the neat things around - skates 

Hmmm...NASA Goddard is also a nice place to skate...but we haven't
found any odd deer yet ;-).  Do you know if skates are allowed in the
intercenter fun runs?  It may be amusing to do the run this year on in-lines.

The most bogus thing is that my skate time is almost no faster than my
running time because of the hilly terrain.  The downhill portion is
extremely steep and too bumpy for skates really...which forces you to
brake all the way down...

>Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
>NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135

Nigel Tzeng

--
Nigel Tzeng
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From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Subject: 1993 Rollerblades?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:31:02 GMT

Now that we are closer to Fall, has anybody heard anything more about
Rollerblade's 1993 line? I'm thinking of getting a new pair of inlines
and I was wondering if I should get something now, or wait a few months
for something potentially better.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@adobe.com
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From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: Pre-race conditioning?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:02:28 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I just got a pamphlet from IISA about the Alzheimer's Assoc (Des Moines
chapter) Memory Roll race set for Sept 13 (for anyone interested, call
(515) 225-8716.

I'm toying with the idea of entering since this is the nearest to
me that a IISA-sanctioned race has come.  However, I'm at a loss as
to how the categories are defined.  They've got four categories: kids,
recreational, Cat 2, and Cat 1.  Obviously Cat 1 is way outta my league. 
Now is Cat 2 for up and coming racers who haven't quite got up to speed,
but are using speed skates and have been training for some time?  What's
the real definition?

I happen to have Cat 2 membership and although I've been skating a lot
and training somewhat seriously, I'm at a loss to say whether I could
even consider entering the Cat 2 races.  I'm assuming I probably have
enough on my hands with the Recreational level as it is, but I've only
seen races on TV so I have no real idea of the pace involved.  The
pamphlet sez:  Recreational - recreational skaters wearing recreational
skates.  How's that for double-talk? 8-)

Sooooooo, do I try the Rec level and have a learning experience (read:
get blown away 8-) or shall I hold off and train more specifically for
racing.  Most of the literature says to train for about 3 or 4 months
prior to a race, doing speedplay and intervals and all that.  I doubt 
a two week cram session will do any good, unless I'm grossly unaware of
how well-conditioned I am. 

Discussion please...8-)

-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
From: lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd Wieman;685-3751;63-356;LP=A;P0HG)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Sail Skating
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:54:53 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR.

In article <92246.123034ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET>, ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET writes:
|> 
|>     A few months back someone posted a message about using
|> a sail in combination with inline skates to get some good speed.
|> While watching the news I saw six skaters using a sheet as a
|>                                     sail down in Florida before
|>            ________      S= skater  Hurricane Andrew struck.
|>           S        S     _= sail    They had a skater on each end
|>          S          S               of the sheet holding it by
|>         S            S              top and bottom corners and
|>                                     both of them had two other
|>                                     skaters holding on to their
|> backs.  It looked like alot of fun, and I was wondering if anyone
|> else has tried sail-skating.
|> 
|> JOHN STORMS    ISSJXS@BYU.VM.EDU

I do a lot of sailboarding.  Sailboarders have tried putting sailboard
rigs on skate boards.  I think there is some company somewhere that sells
skate boards built for it.  I have tried a home made setup once.  I think
sails with inlines would share the main problem with this game.  That is,
you can go REALLY fast.  My brother used to sail around parking lots when
the wind wasn't strong enough to go sailboarding.  He quit when everyone 
he knew that did it broke their legs falling.

I suppose you could use small sails and limit your speed to keep it safe,
but then whats the point?  If you want a sailing thrill, try sailboarding.
You can go scary fast and if you fall, you just get wet!   

Lynd
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From: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Subject: Re: Neat Accessories for Skating
Reply-To: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:18:48 GMT


In article <#Fj-zl@engin.umich.edu>, dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan) writes:
|>
|>Another nice accessory is a carrying strap/handle for your skates.  You
|>just use a bandana or any sort of handy belt.  On the market, there are 
|>straps specifically for in-lines, and I've seen a carrier, similar to 
|>ski-boot totes (skates mounted wheels together, with the handle coming out 
|>in the middle).  Straps or bandana's are probably as portable as it gets.
|>Just stuff em in your pocket or wrap it around a body part.

Since I have top buckles on my skates, I use a ski-boot carrying
strap which is long enough to string my pads onto (about 2.5 ft);
each end has a loop which goes around a buckle.  Throw it over
a shoulder: viola, both hands free.

Eric Jones

>>>  .sig-lite  <<<
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From: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Subject: Re: Inline wheel hubs
Reply-To: ejon@ll.mit.edu (Eric Jones)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 13:25:51 GMT


In article <FVh-ZS_@engin.umich.edu>, dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)(who is actually the amazing Tony Chen) writes:
|>I haven't come across 908 wheels that were that loose, but I've seen plenty
|>of 608 wheels that were.  I've found that it's fairly common for stock 
|>Rollerblade wheels, and while I've sort of been beating the dead horse 
|>about it, I suggest you steer clear of the Rollerblade-labeled wheels 
|>entirely ...

|>Some folks disagree with that advice...

Well _I_ for one agree; I've had terrible luck with the Rollerblade wheels
in my Lightning TRS's, including one wheel that just went completely
out of round when I was about 2 miles from alternate transportation.
I replaced 4 of my wheels then and within another 10 miles some of the
new ones were already showing the precursory symptoms of failure, the
main one being...
			bad bearing fit.
	It seems like the hubs are made with some sort of inferior plastic
which expands quickly when heated (e.g. by bearing friction), which allows
the wheels to slop around, which leads to additional heating...BOOM:
wheel failure.
	Of course, the other explaination is that my bearings are 
completely bletcherous and that any wheel would have the same problem,
but I take good care of my bearings (I think) and they certainly spin
well, especially when hot.
	One question: how much play is acceptable in an inline bearing?
Even when new, the bearings in my skates have had more lateral play
in them than I would find acceptable in, say, a bicycle wheel bearing.
Of course, I'm a perfectionist when it comes to bicycle maintenance.
Is some play normal in a non-adjustable bearing?

Eric Jones

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From: dcchan@engin.umich.edu (David Chi Wei Chan)
Subject: Re: Neat Accessories for Skating
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:33:11 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <ABOULANG.92Aug25182119@kariba.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
>  T shirts: They should say something like "Shut Up and Skate" to
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  indicate you are a serious skater. If you are a serious dance skater,
>  button shirts will not do since you will be sweating bullets and they
>  will be incinerated, melted, or absorbed.

Loved that section of your post, Albert 8-)  Maybe we can whip up some 
rec.skate t-shirts like that...heh.   Kick some Asphalt, Shut Up and Skate,
what next?  RollerDance or die? 8-)

-Tony Chen 
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
 adchen@cookie.cs.uiowa.edu
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From: cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher)
Subject: Re: 80 mm wheel on Aeroblade....
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 17:56:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

 Ignore this... it is a test.. sorry
From: cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Any Good In-Line Video's Available?
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:18:30 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA


 Jim Aites writes:
> Cecil writes:
>|    Thanks for the info, Markus.
>| I called 800 information (1-800-555-1212) and got the number for
>| Rollerblade in Minneapolis (1-800-622-5233), and they gave me the
>| number for "Inline" (1-800-528-8800) who sells this video.  The price
>| is $19.98+ several dollars shipping and 2-4 weeks delivery.
>
>If you are indeed going to get this (or if someone else has seen the tape),
>could we get a critique or summary?  2-4 weeks?  Reasonable...I guess, but
>inquiring minds want to know...NOW! <grin>
>
>Jim 8')s  | aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com


Well, I'll be glad to critique it from a beginner's point of view...
It may be October till I get it, watch it, and can comment on it. 

It looks like I'm going to be in London on business during mid-september.
Anyone take their skates with them when they travel? Does anyone know
of any good places to skate in London?


Cecil
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From: gn@terminus.gatech.edu (toM o. genesE)
Subject: Re: Pre-race conditioning?
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:53:37 GMT

In article <Btz619.KC8@iat.holonet.net> kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:
!
!>BTW: I have Slalomblades -- basically Lightnings with five wheels and
!>stiffer frames. Are these "recreational" skates, or "racing" skates?
!
!I would think that they would have too much ankle support and too heavy to
!be considered a competitive racing skate.
!

I agree.  I believe that the Slalomblade was designed with a very
stiff and heavy frame so that the boot will mimic ski boots (better
"edging" on skates).

I am not sure what you mean by "too much" support for ankles.  Will
this cause pain or irritation during an intensive (or prolonged) race?
Or do you mean there would be a problem in achieving optimal stride
form?  I have recently begun weaning myself off the luxury of high
cuff boots, in order to get into Bonts.  This has taken (and will
take) some tuning of my stride.

toM o. genesE                         Bont             --      I feel 
#8-) C&U&L2&S2WIT                      Hustler     ---/  )     that we
Inet: gn@cc.gatech.edu                Mogema      (      )     must hit
Home: gn@philios.atl.ga.us            Bones     ---=-----=-    the pavement
UUCP: ...!rutgers!emory!philios!gn    Hyper    O  O  O  O  O   right NOW!
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From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: Re: 80 mm wheel on Aeroblade....
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 02:02:58 GMT

In article <42090028@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
>In rec.skate, kiwong@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kinsley Wong) writes:
>
>| Does anybody know if 80mm wheels can be installed on Aeroblades or not???
>
>For sure!  I bought a full set of these early this spring.  The sports shop


Maybe not so sure.  Realize that the size of the runner varies with the
size of the skate, and it is quite possible that smaller sizes don't
take the big wheel while large sizes do.  I have no experience with the Aero,
but this is the case with the racerblade.  I think the cutoff with those
was size 8: sizes 8 1/2 and above take it, 8 and below don't. 

Ricardo
From: pwwisnes@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Paul W. Wisneskey)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Pipes/parks
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:15:41 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Anyone know of any good skate parks or half pipes to skate on the East
Coast?  Ever since Cedar Crest Country Club closed done I've been SOL.
I'm looking for parks that allow rollerbladers so that rules out places
like Mount Trashmore (unless they've changed the rules - anyone know?).

Any suggestions would be appreciated....
From: gmb0029@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Bauer Blades For Sale-New Good Prices
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: gmb0029@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

Want some good skates? Bauer's 1992 line is pretty damn good and the prices are
right.  If enough people are interested, I'll start taking orders.  Wholesale +
25%.  Hey its better than resale!! Post message Re:Bauer Blade Order
From: biske@cs.uiuc.edu (Todd Biske)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Sail Skating
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:59:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Sep4.175922.26009
Organization: Delta Group

In article <13498@pogo.wv.tek.com>, lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd Wieman;685-3751;63-356;LP=A;P0HG) writes:
> <stuff deleted...>
> 
> I suppose you could use small sails and limit your speed to keep it safe,
> but then whats the point?  If you want a sailing thrill, try sailboarding.
> You can go scary fast and if you fall, you just get wet!   
> 
> Lynd

What's the point?  Some of us reading this group live in the middle of a corn
field with no sight of water within 100 miles.  Of course, there is the 
boneyard creek through campus, but I'd be afraid that whatever liquid flows in
that creek would just decompose the sailboard into some twisted jello like 
substance...

-tb

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"Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in 
 life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed."
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From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Article on Dance Music Styles
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:48:13
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com


For fellow funky dance skaters out there:


There is a decent article on dance music styles including:

 Disco, Sleaze, hi-NRG. Birtish New-School NRG,  Italo NRG, Eurodance,
 Gothic, Industrial, Hip-Hop, Hip-House, House, Acid House, Garage,
 Italo-House Freestyle, Latin Hip-Hop, Miami Connga, Samba, Afro-Beat,
 Rai, Dance-Hall, Rave, & Techno in this week's Boston Phoenix (Aug 28),
 "Dance Decoded", Michael Freedberg, Pg 7, Section 3.


Funking at the Roxy in NYC this Wednesday,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com

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From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: Re: Pre-race conditioning?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:14:44 GMT

I'm rather displeased with the way skate races are held.

I've been skating for less than three months, and have entered a 10k
and a 20k, and will be doing a 50k this month. At each race, there has
been a "fun roll" or some such, at a reduced distance (usually 5k),
with experience categories, but the main event is "categoryless". I
feel sure I could have done well in the novice category, but I wanted
to do (and had trained for) the longer distance.

So I end up running against all these 17 minute guys -- what's the fun
in that when I'm just hoping to break 23? Oh, yes. I almost forgot age
groups. If I get no slower, and wait 20 years, I might have someone to
really race against.

I realize it's a big, bad, competitive world out there, and most
amateur sports operate similarly. But if they are going to have
categories, why not have them for all distances?

BTW: I have Slalomblades -- basically Lightnings with five wheels and
stiffer frames. Are these "recreational" skates, or "racing" skates?
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From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Christian Rohrmeier)
Subject: Re: New and Uninformed
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:56:21 CDT

In article <1992Aug18.191507.624@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_kennedypc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>Hi,
>I am new to roller blading and when I say new I just picked them up this
>afternoon.  I have a few questions.
>
>1. Other than wrist guards, elbow and knee pads, and a helmet( the only thing I
>don't have coming), is there anything else I should be looking for?
>2. My skates have the ability to rocker the wheels.  What does this mean?
>
>Any suggestions at all would be nice.  I have never been able to take the time
>to roller skate and I hoped that finally owning{a pair of skates would force me
>to finally learn.  Is it easw3ier to roller skate than roller blade?
>
>I apologize for all the questions.  Thanks.
>
>Paul Kennedy (New and abused(by the skates))

There is an FAQ around here somewhere (right???), but lemme just answer anyway:

1) You gut a full set 'o gear there! I only use elbow and knee pads when I
   play tag or do anything obivously dangerous. I ALWAYS wear my wrist guards.

2) Rockering means that the middle wheels are lower than the end wheels. This
results in only 2 wheels touching the ground instead of all 4. This has the
affect of increasing your manueverability and decreasing your stability and
your speed. When playin hockey, may people rocker their blades. If you want
speed or stability, then leave 'em all at the same level.

Hope that answers your questions.

-Chris


Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: plh@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Another new skater asks...
Keywords: bearings
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:01:08 GMT


All this talk about upgrading bearings has me eager to try 
better bearings on my coolblades.  I cannot find any 
local stores who can order the bearings.  Would you 
please mail me the addresses and/or phone numbers of 
any mail order outfits or magazines (InLine etc.) 
that might have skating stuff.  Thanks...

		-Pat.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: "Mistake" Skates
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:49:43 GMT

>
>"If you over pay, but get what you want, all you've lost is the
>difference in price. If you under pay, but don't get what you
>want, then you have lost the entire investment."
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Only if you're too stupid to resell the item.

>
>Have you ever heard that saying?
>

I have now.

John
From: ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: New skater asks...
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:28:07 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY

I have a question that I am sure will open a real can of worms: My friend has f
or sale a pair of Rollerblade Bladerunners. I can get these fairly cheap (less
than $80). What should be a concern besides boot comfort? For this price I can
upgrade them but what wheels will fit? Any pro/cons welcome. I plan to get the
upgrade stuff from Hudson Bay Inline...Thanks in advance.
 
 
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