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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Looking for Utilities
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:18:52 GMT

I'm looking for AmiDock, and the recently mentioned utility that allows 
user/log-in pseudo-security on the Amiga.  Does anybody know what the
exact names are, and what FTP sites I could pull this stuff in from?


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From: ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Spice, SPlot, & VI
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:09:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.39079
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct6.033845.20233@usl.edu> mih8447@usl.edu (Hebert Marc I) writes:
>Does anyone out there use an amiga version of vi?  (A Unix text editor) 
>I have elvis 1.5, but it won't allow you to re-edit a document in one 

There is one called VIM (as opposed to vigor I guess).  I gues it is
on most of the ftp sites.  Does anyone know if this has AREXX ports?
It would be nice to get it to integrate with SAS 6.0.  Has anyone
done this?  What is the latest version of VIM? Who is the author?

Regards,

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From: eyeq@pitt.WPI.EDU (Brent Burkholder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: GVP030 & Gigamem?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 13:39:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitt.wpi.edu

In article <5849@tuegate.tue.nl> raymondp@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Raymond Penners) writes:
>Hello there,
>
>I have a problem with virtual-memory: I have GVP ec030 Combo 40Mhz, but when
>GigaMem won't work. Error: "Current MMU-list too complex (no empty level)".
>What does this say? How can I fix it?
>
>  //
>\X/Thanx in advance, Raymond.
>


  Because The G-Force@40MHz uses the EC chip (as you already know) which is
an '030 sans MMU. This means that you won't be able to do virtual memory
becuase such schemes rely on it. 
  I too have this board, but I don't much care about virtual memory so its
not a bother.
From: kruger@plains.NoDak.edu (Donovan Kruger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Final Copy II data released
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20943
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>>   Here is a quick summary of the new features added to Final Copy II:

[List of features deleted]

When are they going to learn???  What is any productivity program without
an UNDO feature????  There are a couple out there already that have
UNLIMITED undoes!  What's the deal?  I love the new features, but would
still trade them all in for an UNDO!  I've mentioned it to Woody Wilson
three times, but I guess it's not that important. (?)
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From: rthorstr@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: ToolManager 2.0 -- WHERE????
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:20:32 GMT

Can anyone tell me where and from what directory I can ftp ToolManager 2.0?
Also I would like the same info. for ToolDaemon.

                                        Thanks in advance,
                                        EMAIL --> rthorstr@oz.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith)
Subject: Re: Idea For ToolManager 3.0
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:17:31 GMT

sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) writes:

>Okay, hit me in the head with the manual and call me Bill Gates.  I have been
>using UPD since it was released with Term, but I never knew that it supported
>passing commands to SPEAK:. 

Without UPD you can use the CLI command Say, or just 'echo >speak:
"hello"'.

Gary.
 
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From: clin@jade.tufts.edu (Chuck (Satch) Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Final Copy II shipping date?
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:26:27 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: clin@jade.tufts.edu

I ordered Final Copy II from Softwood over 3 weeks ago.
When is it shipping?
When I placed my order, they promised that I would receive the product
the following week. Well, its been three weeks. I called them several
times and their responce has always been, "We hear that it is in the 
hands of the disk copiers. It should be shipping next Tuesday"
They said the exact same thing to me four times! Sounds like
a line from the Popeye cartoons. If I have to wait any longer
I'm going to cancel my order and get Page Stream! I can't just
sit around waiting for a piece of software, I have lots of other
things to do! I desperately need a real word processor this week.
If anyone knows for certain whether or not Final Copy II is shipping
this week, please email me!
thanks
chuck
clin@jade.tufts.edu
From: soft-logik@cup.portal.com (Kevin W Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: PageStream 2.21 release
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 92 17:26:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67152@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct4.164749.768@sarah.albany.edu>

>
>I just tried the 2.2 - 2.2HL and it also failed on my upgrade. It reports
>that it cannot open PageStream2.new.
>

This message is something to do with the mechanics of moving files around
and not a failure to recognize your version. Let me know exactly what you
typed and I'll look at what might be wrong.

>Herb
>
>
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>

I dug out my disks, (I have the Upgrade) and this is what I did:

Copy patch all patch files and PageStream2 to a work directory.

Change directory (CD) to the work directory.

   lpatch -ppgs22u.pch PageStream2
   
This creates a file called PageStream2.new which you copy back to your
PageStream: directory, renaming the file PageStream2



Kevin Davidson, Asst. Moderator AmigaZone Vendor Support - PORTAL
               <soft-logik@cup.portal.com>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: pst@elixir.e.kth.se (Patrik Str|mstedt)
Subject: Pagebreaks in PPage3.0
Organization: School of EE, Royal Institute of Technolgy, Sweden
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:44:14 GMT

I have been writing a large document in ProWrite 3.2, it's about 140 pages.

Now I would like to import the document to PPage 3.0, to add pictures and
change some fonts.

The document includes pagebreaks for every new page.

When I try to import the document to PPage 3.0, it just ignores these
pagebreaks.

Is there any way to solve this problem? 

Is there a Genie to accomplish this task?
If there isn't, can someone with some knowledge about Genie programming
give me some hints about this task.

Best Regards,
/Patrik
pst@elixir.lne.kth.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Timothy Matthew Ciceran)
Subject: Re: GRE or GMAT Study program?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:44:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.021008.43434@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> I'm looking for programs to help prepare for the GRE/GMAT.  If you
>> have or know where to find a program for either uuencode|mail it to me
>> or let me know where it can be ftp'd from, provided it's for Amiga,
>> Mac or Ms-Dos.  Thanks...

>What's the deal?  Does this sort of animal not exist on any planet,
>er... platform?  I've not heard from anyone...-);

Check with the latest issue of AC's Guide to the Amiga. If I remember
correctly, there is a GRE tutorial available.
From: Larry.Clevenger@mtask.omahug.org (Larry Clevenger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: List your laserdisc titles
Date: 05 Oct 92 22:38:46 CST
Reply-To: larry.clevenger@mtask.omahug.org
Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.applications


  To: kimp@nuge102.its.rpi.edu
From: Larry.Clevenger@mtask.omahug.org
  re: Laserdisk titles...

Are you selling these or something?  If you are, how much for the disks?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: mih8447@usl.edu (Hebert Marc I)
Subject: Re: Spice, SPlot, & VI 
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:38:45 GMT


Finally, I have a working version of Spice & SPlot.  (I had mistakenly been 
trying to use an FFP version of Splot.)  Thanks to everyone who sent advice.

Does anyone out there use an amiga version of vi?  (A Unix text editor) 
I have elvis 1.5, but it won't allow you to re-edit a document in one 
sitting, which is really frustrating.  I've heard at least one other vi clone,
but haven't seen it.


Marc Hebert               +
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202 Claudia Drive         +  
Lafayette, LA  70507      +                - RW 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: jim@cs.curtin.edu.au (Jim McGrady)
Subject: RRamDisk and WB2.04
Summary: it doesnt work
Keywords: Ramdisk WB
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:43:44 GMT

Hi All

I've just tried using the package 'RRamdisk' with WB2.04. Unfortunately I dont
have the docks so I dont know who the author is. For those of you unfamiliar
with it; RRamDisk is a recoverable ramdisk, similar to RAD, except that it 
dynamically allocates memory :)  One can set flags in a mountlist entry to make
the ramdisk recoverable, bootable, and/or diskcopyable.

My problem is that under WB2.04 the 'recoverable' ability fails. In fact,
after the ram disk has been mounted, re-booting brings up a yellow 'recoverable 
alert' screen that I cant get rid of except for a total cold reset.

Does anyone know of a similar package that works with 2.04 ???

Thanks in Advance

Jim
From: Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: WordPerfect!!??
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:30:52 EST
Reply-To: uunet!tension!birdland!andy
Keywords: WP upgrade
Summary: forget it
Expires: never
Distribution: world
Organization: What organization?
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <1992Sep28.043359.5085@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, William F Bennett writes:

>      I have been using Word Perfect for quite some time on the Amiga, but
> I have always been disappointed with the speed and the poor lay out of the
> hot keys. I have stayed with it because of the compatability with the IBM's
> at work. I kept hoping that WordPerfect Corp would upgrade 4.2 but now I am
> tired of waiting.
> 
>      I have old versions of Excellence!, Prowrite. Do the newer versions
> have the capability of reading and writing WordPerfect files (both 5.1 and
> 4.2). Is there any clear winner when it comes to pure text word-processing.
> 
>      Thanx for your opinions. I know this has been discussed here before
> so if you want please email opinions.
> -- 
Keep holding your breath, Bill. WordPerfect dropped Amiga support. I met the
company's chairman and asked him. He said they didn't make any money on
4.1, and to get 5.1 running adequately would require a 3000 or accelerated
2000/500, which was only a fraction of the Amiga installed base. Hey, these
guys want to make money, you know?

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From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Disk Doubler
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:07:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Where oh where can a person find XFH and XFK???  It has been stated that
they are freely redistributable, but I know of no place that carries them.

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From: mih8447@usl.edu (Hebert Marc I)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Spice on Amiga... Mysterious SPlot Problem
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:33:39 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

Arrrgggghhhh.  Everytime I try to run SPlot, I get:

  Background_Process 
  Program Failed (error #80000000B)

Does anyone have any idea what the problem is?


Marc Hebert               +
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: hello@bnr.ca (Ken Orford)
Subject: Re: ToolManager 2.0 Likes/Dislikes
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:04:47 GMT

For exec objects, if the argument flag is set, how does one indicate the
position of the (icon) arguments in the text of the command line string?
I can't seem to find this information in the manual anywhere. Are the
arguments simply appended to the end of the command string? For example,
one thing I can do with AppIcon is have a command such as:

     lharc x %1 ram:  - where %1 indicates the first icon dropped on it.

(I can't off hand remember the exact AppIcon syntax - but you get my drift.)

Be careful not to jump ahead and tell me simply to set the current directory
to RAM: - this is only an example! I may also (and do with AppIcon) wish to
"copy %1 prt:" to have a simple print app icon.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Ken. 
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From: walthour@coos.dartmouth.edu (David Walthour)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Looking for Mathematica-style pgm.
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:23:31 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Sep30.234310.59321@cc.usu.edu> slbfn@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.232516.4972@trl.oz.au>, aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan) writes:
>> Like the heading says...  I'm sure I had a demo or something like this a
>> while back, and only found a need for it after the disk was recycled.
>> 
>> I have found reference to Scoonschip on Fish 568, but it seems limited,
>> and there doesn't seem to be a Maple port either.
>
>  Maple V is indeed available on the Amiga.  It requires AmigaDOS 2.0.
>  I don't know anything else, but I wish somebody would post the info.
>
>  I am looking to purchase Maple V myself.

I purchased Maple V about 4 months ago and have found the program to be 
one of the best software purchases I've made.  I say this even though it
is one of the most bug-ridden programs I have ever used.  The program does
require AmigaDOS 2.04.  The kernel, which is the heart of the symbolic
processor, is a direct port from their mainframe version and is almost
entirely bug free.  The user interface and plotting programs are extremely 
bug filled and are liable to crash your system often if not used with care.
The system is, however, still usable in its present form.  Waterloo-Maple
Software will also be releasing an update to the program in about 6 months.
This update will consist of the latest version of the kernel and a complete
rewrite of the user interface and plotting programs.  The program retails for
about US$450 (US$395 with academic discount).  Contact:

Waterloo-Maple Software
160 Columbia Street West
Waterloo, Ontario
CANADA  N2L 3L3
Phone# (519) 747-2373
Fax#   (519) 747-5284
wmsi@daisy.uwaterloo.ca
wmsi@daisy.waterloo.edu

- David Walthour
walthour@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: Neon@cup.portal.com (Anthony Joseph Bruder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Animated DOCK brushes, Icons, etc...
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 23:12:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>
>Due to the extreme amount of replies to my offer on animated dock brushes and
>other icons, I will be uploading them to be available via FTP.  I will post
>them up on wuarchive.wustl.edu and amiga.physik.unizh.ch in about a weeks time
.

Thanks for your thoughtfulness.

Tony Bruder - neon@cup.portal.com
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: 2.1 Docs
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:56:57 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <tdenbo.717430675@guru> tdenbo@dwp.la.ca.us (Tom Denbo) writes:
>I've heard that the 2.1 docs contain 3 manuals.  Could someone describe
>what's in the docs?  Is it a complete replacement for the 2.0 docs? 

Yes, it's completely rewritten, some parts are reorganized. This involves
splitting it into several distinct volumes: Workbench, DOS, ARexx, Harddisk
and the Introduction to the very model you have.

>Does it fit in the old covers?  

No.

>When can I have it?

Sorry, not yet, and don't know. Really sorry.

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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: ToolManager 2.0 Likes/Dislikes
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:02:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: NeoSoft.1992Sep29.120205.14960
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Sep28.175700.28307@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) writes:
> I spent the weekend setting up ToolManager 2.0, and I must say that it takes 
> quite a bit of work, and performing repetetive tasks to get the thing running.

Yes. I asked Stephan about a converter for 1.5 prefs or for a prefs<->text
format converter, and he didn't think there was much demand for such a thing.
Basically, I'm the only one who's asked...

> What happened to the App Window?

You have to open an edit window (New...) and then that window has AppWindow
set. Stephan has agreed that making the prefs window handle AppWindow events
would be cool. For 2.1 I guess.

I suggested that if it was set to "Menu", it automatically add to "Exec" as
well as "Menu", for one stop shopping. That didn't get as good a response.

> How do you set up *HORIZONTAL* docks?  All I can seem to get it to do is make 
> vertical ones.

Yeh, I was wondering about that. I don't care much for docks myself (I've got
folders I've Left Out in Workbench for that... and I'm not so sure about Tool
Icons: they don't seem to fit the Workbench model that well), but I'm surprised
that horizontal ones aren't supported.

I think this is a much more professional program than 1.5, but I also think
it's got a touch of the Macintosh Disease. I'm sticking with 1.5 for now.

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From: ummuir05@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John Derek Muir)
Subject: Bug in Tool Manager 2.0
Summary: Click on one thing , click on another, get other bug...
Keywords: Tool Manager Bug Applications
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:48:09 GMT

	Please disregard my previous message, I'm trying to figure this out.

	A bug in Tool Manager 2.0 you say?  Yes!  But it's a small bug as
far as I'm concerned.  The problem seems to be in the selection lists in
the ToolManaager Prefs program.  After selecting one thing in the list,
and then selecting another quickly, the second will open as if you
haddouble-clicked on it.

	For Example;
	I clicked on the Exec object 'Tool Manager Prefs' and then by
accident, I clicked on the next object, called 'term' and an edit window
was opened for the 'term' object.

John Muir
ummuir05@ccu.umanitoba.ca

PS; Why isn't there a Hot Key object group?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: mih8447@usl.edu (Hebert Marc I)
Subject: Re: Spice on Amiga
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:55:13 GMT

Anyone have confirmation on a program that plots Spice output?  I tried a 
version of SPLOT found on the waterloo site, but it guru's on my system in 
1.3, 2.0, pal, ntsc, stack 0-1M.  

Marc Hebert               +
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202 Claudia Drive         +  
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employer, your employer, my cat and everyone who has ever really
thought about anything.
From: mickh@imart.adsp.sub.org (Michael-Wolfgang Hohmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: ToolManager 2.0 Likes/Dislikes
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:41:39 GMT
Reply-To: swb.de!imart!mickh
Organization: ImageArts
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 pre

In article <1992Sep28.190355.18949@hubcap.clemson.edu>, C. Taylor Sutherland III writes:

-> I'm having the hardest time figuring out all the little bells and
-> whistles of TM.  First of all, what the hell is a dock?  Second,

  Did  you ever seen an N*XT?? This maschine has an Dockwindow on the
  right side of his screen. An Dockwindow is an window combined from many
  images or text, where you can click (yes, just a single click) on each
  of them in order to start a program or something else and also each of
  them is an AppIcon that means, you can put an icon on it as an argument
  for the program.

Sorry about my bad english, I hope I could have helped you.

   == Mick ==

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