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At that time of year there is a small possibility of an early winter storm
causing problems with your drive.  Just listen to the weather reports on
the TV and pay attention if they are predicting a big storm.  If there is a
storm and you must go, stay on the main roads.

There are severals attractions you might visit along the way.  The main ones
I can think of are:  1.  Arches National Park 2. Canyonlands National Park  3.
Dinosaur National Monument 4.  Glenwood Hot Springs 5. The Colorado Rockies. 
6.  Colorado National Monument. 7.  Rocky Mountain National Park.

In Denver there are the typical museums and shopping.  I would recommend the
sights in the mountains west of Denver.  A side trip to Boulder might be
interesting.

Regarding accomedations:  I would recommend checking the AAA guidebook for
Denver (AAA = American Automobile Association ).  If you don't have one let
me know and I will look up some motels for you.

Please e-mail me if you would like further information.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
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From: matsbror@dit.lth.se (Mats Brorsson)
Subject: Information on travel to Taiwan
Reply-To: matsbror@dit.lth.se (Mats Brorsson)
Organization: Dept of Computer Engineering, Lund University, Sweden.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:31:36 GMT


I will be traveling to Hong Kong and Taiwan in December and I have a
few questions I haven't been able to get answers on around here.

I am planning on taking the ferry between Macau and Kaoshaing (sp?). 
What's the wheater like at that time of year. Will the sea be rough?

I am thinking of getting a suit made up. Will it be cheaper in Taipei
than in Hong Kong? What is the price level?

Will it be cheaper to buy computer accessoires in Hong Kong than in Taipei?

I have a noname notebook made in Taiwan which I plan to upgrade whith 
more disk space. Is it best to do that in Taipei (or other places in Taiwan)
or in Hong Kong?

Any other information on travelling in Taiwan is gratefully accepted.
Especially information on activities going on in December.

   /Mats

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From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Hotel in San Francisco
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:15:56 GMT


Hotel San Remo.
From: Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Trip "Report" 2 weeks in UK w/baby
Keywords: Comments and Observations, mainly
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:35:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.13293
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

In article <976@ether.UUCP>, danm@ether.UUCP (Dan McDonald) writes:
> 
> We had a very good time, except for one or two long days in the car.

All in all, it sounds to me as if you *didn't* enjoy your trip
very much.

We spent two weeks in the UK in early September of this year,
and I have to say that our experiences were uniformly positive.
Nearly all of the B&Bs we stayed at were comfortable, clean,
and quite pleasant (two standouts: the Four Seasons in York,
and Wigham in Morchard Bishop, near Crediton, Devon).  As for
admission charges at National Trust sites -- well, we didn't
purchase the membership in advance either, so we paid at each
place we went to.  My view is that the properties have to be maintained
one way or another and tourists are a legitimate source of income.
The various guidebooks usually are explicit about admission prices,
(we had a Michelin guide to the UK, and a Blue Guide to Cathedrals
and Churches), if one utilized these guides then the admission
prices shouldn't have come as any surprise.

We also spent some time in Wales, and while the weather was stormy
I wouldn't have called the area dreary.  In fact I thought the weather
enhanced our visits to some of the castles (esp. Caernarfon and Harlech).


        ---  __o          Liza Weissler
     ----  _`\<,_         The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
      --- (*)/ (*)        liza@rand.org
From: bill@cv.hp.com (Bill Frolik)
Subject: Re: Credit Cards in Europe < *******
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:50:28 GMT

In addition to the countries already posted, I'll toss in:

SPAIN: I used my MasterCard at least once or twice in stores in
       in San Sebastian.  No problem.  Also, like in France, the
       Spanish toll roads will take many major credit cards at the 
       toll booths.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA: The last time I was there it was still under Communist
                rule, but nevertheless I had no trouble using MasterCard
                in some stores (those that displayed Eurocard and Visa
                signs in the window) and virtually all "western" hotels.
                The charges usually didn't show up on my statement until
                about two or three months later.  Most stores, hotels,
                and gas stations only took cash, however.  (But then, 
                this was three years ago -- I would imagine cards are 
                today much more widely accepted.)

FRANCE, BELGIUM, SWITZERLAND: MasterCard (EuroCard) widely accepted.

From what I've seen, EuroCard acceptance is very widespread throughout
Europe, and at places that honor EuroCard, I've never had any trouble 
using MasterCard.  Also, I've heard first-hand reports (from about
a year ago) of several stores in Germany and Spain that would accept 
MasterCard, but not Visa.

_________________________________________________
                                                       
Bill Frolik                   Hewlett-Packard Co. 
bill@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com         1010 NE Circle Blvd 
(503) 750-4082                Corvallis, OR 97330  
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From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Re: Hong Kong & Taiwan advice needed!
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:26:56 GMT

In article <GREVE.92Oct15141056@kddss2.csg.kddlabs.CO.JP>, greve@kddss2.csg.kddlabs.CO.JP (Ron Greve) writes:
> 								04-10-15
> Konnichiwa mina-san,

Hallo, Gruss-Gott, Zdrabo, Greetin's, yourself! [sorry, no Cyrillic for Russki]

> How many days would you advice to stay in Taiwan and Hong Kong each?
> What is interesting to see in these countries? What kind of
> places/things should I definitely go to/do?

If it were me, I would split it down the middle - half and half. Both places
are quite interesting.

In Taipei - if you like museums and/or history AT ALL, do spend some time in
the National Palace Museum - especially nice are the cheap ($NT 2?) and fine
reproductions of art available in the lobby, and the dim sum cafe on the top
floor (reproduction of a 17th century emperor's study, complete with live
nightengales). Also try Lung Shan Temple, Snake Street, etc. If you can, a
side trip to Taroko Gorge is quite worthwhile. If you are interested in such
things (erotic fare) I hear that Peitou (north of Taipei) is the place to go.

> What are the best (cheapest) places to stay in Hong Kong and Taiwan? Any
> popular youth hostels?

I stayed in the YMCA in Taipei - cheap, safe, convienient. Taxis are cheap and
fast (very fast... hold your breath while riding in one). Buses are OK but a
little difficult to use if you don't speak Chinese. Don't try to drive by
yourself. Worst traffic I've ever seen ANYWHERE. Also the air is very poor
quality (at least it was 4 years ago). There are many, FINE restaurants there.
If you don't speak Chinese, try finding Mongolian Bar-B-Que places - be sure to
tip the chef that cooks your stuff.

> Are Hong Kong and Taiwan safe countries? I mean is it dangereous for a 
> foreigner to walk alone over street at night? Many pick-pockers?

Can't speak for HK, but Taiwan is the safest country I have yet to travel in
(out of about 12 so far). Teenage girls think nothing of walking around alone
in their largest city in the middle of the night - and they are perfectly safe!
Watch out for "barber shops" (like massage parlors in the west) - the green
barber poles and huckster (man trying to get you to enter) at the door are the
tip-off.

> Sayonara,

Chiao, Farewell, Auf-wiedertypen!

> Ron Greve

Larry Hughes - uunet!ingr!b11!lhughes - Huntsville Alabama
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From: aruna@sybase.com (Aruna Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Car Rental in San Francisco
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:23:09 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.023627.26935@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes:
>agencies.  If you rent for more than 3-days then check
>the weekly rate... it might be cheaper. If you can
>use AMEX or gold-VISA etc you can sometimes almost 
>halve the rental cost by avoiding having to get the
>CDW.
>
>1-800-try-avis (Avis)
>1-800-263-0600 (Hertz)
>1-800-for-cars (thrifty)
>1-800-327-7607 (General)
>1-800-car-rent (National)
>1-800-327-9633 (Alamo)

We had to rent a car a couple of months ago in the Bay Area for one day when our car was
in the shop, and we called almost all these places.  Hertz quoted $70/day for Saturday
afternoon thru Monday; Avis refused to give us a straight answer on what the daily rate
was; Thrifty and Alamo either didn't have any or quoted outrageously high prices.  We did
not call General or National; so I cannot comment on their service, but please avoid using
Enterprise -- they were very rude and service was VERY POOR (we had to wait almost 1.5
hours to get the car, and then we had a flat; which took another 2 hours).  If you want to
rent a car, please call ahead of time, and insist on a quote of rate per day; they have
different rates for weekdays and weekends, and they try to charge you more if you are not
careful.

Just our experience.

Aruna

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From: wt00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wen Tai Tan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Ticket to London...how much?
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:24:08 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi!

Does anyone know what the best price for an air-ticket to London would
be? And could you also tell me how to go about getting one? I plan to
fly to London from Pittsburgh around the 14th of December. Please reply
to this account as I don't read this B.Board!!

Thanks in advance...!!


Wen
wt00@andrew.cmu.edu
From: rkobenter@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Credit Cards in Europe < *******
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:54:03 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

re: Credit Cards in Europe:

FRANCE: Majority of Banks linked into VISA, MasterCard also widespread
        thru the Credit Agricole Bank, possible to get cash advances at
        3 designated banks in the Paris region (rue du Bac, I believe).

	The French TOLL roads will take credit cards. ECheques and ECheque
  	cards do not have as wide acceptance in France anymore. The POST
	Bank is your best bet.

Britan:	Credit Cards wide spread acceptance, VISA cards work in Midland
	ATMs, check your logos.
	EuroCheques+Cards -> go to the GiroBanks

Germany: Here the MasterCard(EuroCard) has the largest market penetration
	for Credit Cards, and contrary to what someone posted earlier
	the main Department stores (Hertie, Karstadt...) will take credit cards
	*BUT* sometimes you have to go to specially marked Cashiers, if 
	you don't know, ASK..they want your money !!!
	VISA cash advances? check with the DKVB bank outlets that are in
	many airports and railway stations.
	Generally Cash is perfered for resturants the ECheques have
	very wide penetaration as do the Debit ECheque Cards.

Austria: Like Germany the MasterCard is widespread but because a major Austrian
	Bank (Die Erste) is a VISA card bank you should find it as well,
	again, the general rule is the smaller the merchant in the
	hospitality sector the less likely they will have two different
	credit cards, MasterCard is your best bet.

What about AMEX? Well, in most European major metropoles you will see an
AMEX office that will gladly give you advances etc. In Munich the AMEX
bank in the heart of town has a ATM and the Airport should as well
(the old airport did , I presume it got moved to Freising as well !)

How about ITALY, SPAIN, PORTUGAL anyone care to continue this list?

robert kobenter
rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
robert@softwords.bc.ca
---------------------------------------------- Rise Dollar Rise, I want to
                                               go back to Europe--someday!

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From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 12:31:57 GMT

In article <BvuusA.91y@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> mark@cita.toronto.edu writes:
>
>The CAI agent said that the flights are "usually" nonsmoking, but that if
>there's strong demand, a decision can be made at the airport to declare the
>last row of the aircraft to be a smoking area.  So I asked what date the new
>Canadian government regulations (which *will* require that all flights on all
>airlines operating as Canadian-based companies be totally nonsmoking) will
>be taking effect.  She had to check with a supervisor.  When she came back,
>she said that the regulations *did* take effect in April of this year, and
>that the "one smoking row" nonsense applied only on flights to South America
>and the orient.  However, I'm a bit confused by this:  If the new regulation
>is in effect, then all their flights should be nonsmoking, everywhere.  So
>perhaps the April date referred to an internal company policy.

The CAI policy is that all international flights that they operate are
non-smoking except for flights which are jointly operated with other
airlines that have smoking sections.  Therefore, flights between
Vancouver and Bangkok via Hong Kong are non-smoking, but flights
between Vancouver and Japan have smoking sections (jointly operated
with JAL), and so does flights between Vancouver and Taipei (joint
operation with EVA Air... I think).

>
>In any case, I'd be a bit worried about doing business with an airline that
>said that a flight would "probably" be all nonsmoking, but subject to last
>minute alteration just before takeoff!  So I'd go with Air Canada over CAI,
>if at all possible.  Happy breathing!

I fly frequently between Toronto and Hong Kong and I am definitely
pleased that Canadian operates most international flights as non-smoking
flights.


Cheers!
-- 
Joel Chan, Department of Mathematics	  	 joel@math.toronto.edu
"History: Those who ignore it are condemned to repeat it.  Math, too."
				    -From the comic strip "Betty"
From: arlie@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Arlie Haig)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:18:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Vouchers for sale, very reduced prices!!!
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel

Just thought you'd like some feedback on your voucher offer...
in the San Francisco Chron on Sunday 10-4-92 there are ads for
Cancun--7 nights, hotel, air for $399.  So, depending on origin
of your flights, it wouldn't appear to benefit those of us on 
the West Coast.  You didn't say where or when for these vouchers
either.

Thanks
From: rdm@des.uwm.edu (Bob Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Indonesia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:28:21 GMT
Organization: Enrollment Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.27.71

Anyone have information on things to do in Indonesia, especially Bali, Java, 
Borneo?  I'm looking for nontouristy things like climbing a mountain, going 
into the rainforest, working in a rice patty.  Anything that will give me a 
taste of the "real" Indonesia.  I will be there in January so any 
information on what's happening at that time of year would be appreciated.

Send replies to:  RDM@des.uwm.edu

Thanks.
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From:  iak@child.msk.su (Igor Kostarnov)
Subject: Where to stay in Moscow.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:27:37 GMT
Reply-To: iak@child.msk.su
Organization: Moscow Children Computer Club


Dear Sirs,

when one is going to come to Moscow and have no idea where to stay, -
you are welcome in friendly English speaking family. Our flat is situated
in the very centre of Moscow, just near subway station "Chisty Prudy"
(Clear Lakes), separate room with your own key, phone and food is provided.

Price is 15$ per day. Please, call me or mail.
Phone: (+7-095) 928-43-59
E-mail:iak@child.msk.su




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From: nick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Lemberos)
Subject: Re: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Cyprus
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:55:38 GMT

In article <921013133649_76702.1202_CHN116-1@CompuServe.COM> 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith) writes:
>STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Cyprus
>============================================================
>Cyprus - Consular Information Sheet
> October 7, 1992
>
>Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in Cyprus is located at the 
<stuff deleted>

>Entry Requirments: Tourist and business visas are issued at the 
>port of entry for a stay of up to three months.  Proof of an AIDS
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>test is required of certain entertainers.  For other information 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

Now just what kinda entertaining requires an AIDS test???? or is it
only *certain* specific entertainers that need an AIDS test???
8-)


nick
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      "Doing life with no chance for parole"       -L. Anderson
From: siva@a.cs.okstate.edu (KAVUTURU SIVA RAMA)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: test
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:26:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater


     This is a test. Please ignore this.

      Thank you.

-- 
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E-mail: siva@a.cs.okstate.edu
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Keep on Exploring new things. Otherwise there won't be any thrill in the life.
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Finland
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:24:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Finland
============================================================
Finland - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in Helsinki is located at 
Itainen Puistotie 14A; telephone (358) (0) 171931 or (358) (0) 
605414 after hours.

Country Description:  Finland is a highly developed stable 
democracy with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities are widely 
available.

Entry Requirements:  A tourist or business visa is not required for 
stays of up to three months (the 90 day period begins when entering 
the Scandinavian area:  Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland).  
For further information concerning entry requirements for Finland, 
travelers can contact the Embassy of Finland at 3216 New Mexico 
Avenue N.W., Washington DC 20016, tel (202) 363-2430, or the nearest 
Finnish Consulate General in Los Angeles or New York.

Medical Facilities:  Medical facilities are widely available.  U.S. 
medical insurance is not always valid out of the United States.  
Travelers have found that in some cases, supplemental medical 
insurance with specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  
Further information on health matters can be obtained from the 
Centers for Disease Control's international travelers hotline on 
(404) 332-4559.

Crime Information:  Finland has a low crime rate.   The telephone 
number for police/emergency services throughout Finland is 000.  
U.S. citizens can refer to the Department of State's pamphlet, "A 
Safe Trip Abroad" for ways to promote a more trouble-free voyage.  
The pamphlet is available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. 
Government Printing Office, Washington DC 20402.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, or dealing in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.

Registration:  Americans who register in the Consular Section of 
the U.S. Embassy can obtain updated information on travel and 
security within the area.

 No. 92-017
From: system@gnd1.wtp.contel.com (Marty Anilane)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Dulles airport to Baltimore - best way?
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:38:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: europa.1992Oct13.201132.1317
Reply-To: system@gnd1.wtp.contel.com
Organization: GTE Government Systems, Federal Systems Division, Chantilly, VA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <1992Oct13.091852.1565@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, ph10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Philip Hazel) writes...
>I'll be arriving at Dulles aiport in Washington DC at 6:30 pm on a Saturday,
>and have to get to Baltimore (more specifically, to Towson). I also have to get
>back again for an 11 am flight out the following Tuesday. So far I have heard
>of the following:
> 
>(a) Bus from Dulles to Washington; then bus to Baltimore-Washington
>International airport; then taxi to Towson.
> 
>(b) Rent a car.
> 
>If anyone knows of any other not excessively expensive way to do it, I'd be
>grateful to hear of it. Thanks.
> 
How about -
  Bus to National Airport; Metro Subway to Union Station, D.C;Train to
  Penn Station, Baltimore; taxi to towson.

I don't know the bus fare, but it should be the same or less than to
downtown washington.. The metro fare should be about $1.50 one way and 
the train is $12 one way or $20 for a round trip. The train has 
unreserved seating and leaves at 8:20 p.m. and 10:10 p.m. on Saturdays. 
I don't know what the taxi fare would be, but it should be a lot cheaper
than from BWI since Penn Station is at least 8 miles closer to Towson.

There is a good chance of local bus service from Penn. Station to Towson,
but I can't help with details.

>Philip Hazel
> 
>--
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>JANET:    P.Hazel@uk.ac.cam.ucs       Computer Laboratory, Pembroke St,
>Phone:    +44 223 334714              Cambridge CB2 3QG, England.
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 Internet: "system@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com"    (703) 818-4413
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From: iadt3mk@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Kustermann)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Florida
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:46:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct5.154213.9052@nntphost.ciba-geigy.ch>, wtho@ciba-geigy.ch (Tom Hofmann) writes:
> I will spend two weeks in Florida in November. My provisional
> itinerary includes
> 
> 	Disneyworld
> 	NASA space center
> 	Fort Lauderdale
> 	Everglades
> 	Miami
> 	The Keys
> 
> What am I missing?  Any recommendations for things to see?

  A lot. But your itinierary gives you MORE than enough to do in the 2
  weeks that you will be there. Why would you want to go to Miami?
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
> 
> ---Tom		wtho@ciba-geigy.ch














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