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From: shankar@src.honeywell.com (Subash Shankar)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Another Novice Gearing Question
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:25:36 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center


Suppose you have two approximately equal gear choices:
  52 X 17
  42 X 14
Are there pros and cons for choosing between the two?
For some reason, I tend to find the latter easier for
hills (small Minnesota-type hills), and the former easier 
on the flats.  Is there a reason for this?
-- 
---
Subash Shankar                Honeywell Systems & Research Center MN65-2100
voice: (612) 782 7558         3660 Technology Dr., Minneapolis, MN 55418
sshankar@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu or shankar@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:52:55 GMT
Reply-To: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: SMIS, Massey University, NZ

robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw) writes:

>Dis-agree. Dawn sounds OK (I use Simple Green) but WD40 won't stay put (is
>flung all over creating a mess), and attracts grime. I prefer Tri-Flow. I'd
>like to try graphite. What does the net think about graphite?

Don't know about graphite, although I expect the chain would need to be
perfectly dry for it to work and it may not penetrate inside the rollers, where
the lubrication is really needed.

I found Tri-Flow didn't last very well and disappeared pronto in the wet or
mud.  I've had much better results with Pedros MTB synlube.  Off-road
motorcycle lube works very well too, almost too well -- the chain is very hard
to clean after using it (the particular products I have tried are Rock Oil and
something else which name escapes me.)

Phil Etheridge              Internet: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant        Phone:    +64+6-356 9099 ext 8689
SMIS, Massey University     Fax:      +64+6-350 5611
Palmerston North, NZ        40*23'S, 175*37'E ;  GMT+12

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:21:04 GMT

eggers@csd630a.erim.org (Patrick Eggers) writes:
>Just a small, hopefully insignificant point about Ilana turning off
>her set, hopefully making NBC realize people were disgusted with their
>coverage...
>b)  Wow.  Someone turned off the bicycling coverage!  They must want
>    to see more gymnastics!  Cancel all future bicycle coverage!
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Or tractor pulls,
or monster truck competitions,
or golf,
or bowling,
or more baseball,
or more football,
or more American Gladiators,
or more info-mercials (gawd what a stupid term!),
...
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com           *    _\|/_  *       <>
<>      alta-holic <>   (this *often* works)     _\|/_    o   /|\    _\|/_  <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  /|\    <\       *   /|\   <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks          __ /__,               <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Freewheels!
Keywords: compatibility
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:06:30 GMT

In article <072492712002880@otto> newman@otto.ycc.yale.edu (Andrew Newman) writes:
>	1) Should I start stocking up on freewheels?  Are they
>	likely to become a thing of the past in favor of the
>	new 'standard'?
>

Freewheels will be around quite a while. There are still plenty of 
manufacturers out there making *non-free* hubs, like American Classic,
Bullseye, Phil Wood, and some make both!

I have a stack of 6 speed freewheels (note not ultra 6) if any one
is interested. Most of these have spent a mile or two on the tandem
(which is now 7 speed) but they aren't completely worn out. So if
you want them and will pay shipping, send me some email.

pamela
-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: Tunturi Bikes
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:58:37 GMT

In article <63630@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:
>I have recently purchased a bike named Tunturi and understand that it is
>manufactured by a Swedish company that makes stationary bikes.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! Tunturi is a Finnish (no, not Swedish, there's quite
a lot of water in between the two countries) company! Yes, they do make
stationary bikes, rowing machines, mopeds, and most of all, bicycles.
I have owned two of these, a 26" 3-spd, got it when I was in 3rd grade,
fortunately it was stolen, and a 28" (well, 700C is called 28" around here)
12-spd 18 kg "touring" bike, with Shitmano Positron, currently very
stationary, as most Tunturis are. I think I will, however, convert it to
a trashmo (winter) bike by replacing the shitmano crap with a 5-spd hub
and installing Nokia studded tires (great, I had those on the 26").

>My question
>is - Does anyone else own one of these?

Maybe 50% of the Finnish people (5M)?

>I think for the price I paid I got a decent deal. The bike price was
>$279 but since mine was the last one I got it for $130.

Ouch! That's about FIM 600. You can't get one around here for less than,
say, FIM 2500. 

BTW, they advertise their bikes as "the best Finnish bicycles in the world".
Then again, there isn't much competition. As I went shopping for a bike
for my younger brother, I did check the brochures of both (!) Finnish
manufacturers, and they didn't have much to offer. Their MTB frame geometries
seem to look more like old single-speed clunkers than MTBs. And they weren't
any cheaper. He bought a product of the Derby Cycle Corp. (won't tell which
brand) and is quite happy. Oh, and the frames of Finnish bikes seem to fail
unnecessarily often.

In my opinion, if you insist on a Nordic bike, Monark-Crescent of Sweden
makes much better bikes. Their brands include Monark, Crescent, DBS (Norway),
and Kildemoes (Denmark). I currently own a Crescent 15-spd 531ST, and am
very happy with it. Sadly, due to the MTB craze, they have discontinued
most of their road models (including this one).

(Finnish) bikes generally suck.
-- 
Ott-Vill R___________________        Nyrxfnagreva_xngh wn Xhavaxnna_xngh
ovr@vipunen.hut.fi                           ba erunovyvgbvgnin!
From: alopez-o@neumann.waterloo.edu (Alex Lopez-Ortiz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour de France (from l'Equipe):  Stage 14
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:46:11 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <24867@sophia.inria.fr>, seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales) writes:
> The Tour de France
> Stage 14 (Sunday, July 19)
> Sestrieres - L'Alpe d'Huez
> (186.5 km)
> 
>
> General
> a l'issue de la 14 etape
> 
> 1.  Indurain M. (BAN)           69h 20'  7"
> 2.  Chiappuci C. (CAR)               1' 42"
> 3.  Hampsten A. (MOT)                8'  1"
> 4.  Lino P. (RMO)                    9' 16"
> 5.  Bugno G. (GAT)                  10'  9"
> 6.  Delgado P. (BAN)                11' 38"
> 7.  Breukink E. (PDM)               15' 48"
> 8.  Perini G. (CAR)                 15' 56"
> 9.  Vona F. (GBM)		    16' 41"
> 10. Heppner J. (TEL)                17' 51"
> 11. Roche S. (CAR)                  18'  3"
> ...
> 26. Fignon L. (GAT)                 35' 28"
> 40. Kelly S. (FES)		 1h  7' 58"


Where is Alcala?


Alex

-- 
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Deparment of Computer Science                       University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:13:50 GMT

sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves) writes:

>	 THINGS TO HATE ABOUT NBC'S CYCLING COVERAGE (VERSION 1.0)
>	 ---------------------------------------------------------
>	 - Stupid scripted commentary
.
.
.

Another thing that bothered me is that NBC gave no information about
Jeanie Golay or Sally Zack. Golay got a mention only because she was
riding next to Inga and because she later crashed. Sally Zack was
never shown or mentioned at all! I assume this coverage was for
an american audience, yet no profile about 2 of the 3 american
athletes in the event.

jim
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:18:58 GMT

Joshua Stein writes:

> Also, a quick and dirty check for _over-tightness- is to angle the
> bike (while it's still on the stand) to face down at about a 30 degree
> angle (nothing precise here) and turn the front wheel to the left or
> right about 60 degrees and let it fall - the wheel/handlebar should
> oscillate back and forth about 2-3 times - overtightened headsets
> become very obvious as they will either 'stick' or dampen the swinging
> wheel quite quickly.

I agree that this is a good way to check this because to do it more
precisely, the bars and wheel must be removed so that bearing interference
is not masked by the mass of these parts.  Since head bearings are most
often re-adjusted on an assembled bike, removing these parts is impractical.

On the other hand, the way to check for looseness is to bounce the front
end (wheel) of the bike on the ground and listen for chatter in the head
bearing.  This is a more sensitive method than rocking the bike fore and
aft with the brake engaged and it is faster.  For this to work properly,
the wheel bearings and BB bearing must be reasonably well adjusted.  This
may be asking too much for a poorly maintained bike for which all of this
is fluff anyway.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:17:13 EDT
From: Bryan Jones <BEJ102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: XC Pro hubs compatible with XT groupo?
Distribution: na
 <1992Jul23.141534.8457@keps.kodak.com>
 <1992Jul23.152504.33061@source.asset.com>

In article <1992Jul23.152504.33061@source.asset.com>, parksd@source.asset.com
(Don Parks) says:
>
>I'm thinking of purchasing a set of wheels with Suntour XC Pro hubs.
>Is there going to be any problem with this being compatible with a
>Deore XT groupo?  I don't imagine so, but I figured I'd ask just in
>case before I shelled out the $$
>

     The XC-pro hubs are really nice, but I wouldn't count on them being
as nice with an XT derailleur.  I have some friends that have
swithced freewheel from Suntuor to Shimano hyperglide freewheel.
He said he liked it - that it shifted better, but only after about
5 times as much playing with it and adjusting it.  But, I have
never seen it reversed (Suntuor freewheel/Shimano derailleur), so
good luck.

     Supposedly, the shifter either takes up the equivalent of
an eighth (1/8th) of an inch of derailleur movement - either
Suntuor or Shimano.  Presumably they should be compatible, but
you don't hear too many stories to confrim this.

Bryan
>Thanks,
>
>Don
>--
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan)
Subject: Manhattan Beach (CA) Grand Prix
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:23:25 GMT

Hi all......anyone out there (probably in Southern California) have any info
on the Manhattan Beach Grand Prix....all I know is that it is this weekend
on August 2......I have also heard rumors that Coors Light, Spago, LA Sheriff,
and other fairly well known domestic teams will be there....any conformations?

Any other generic information would also be appreciated....such as where in
Manhattan Beach is it, what time does it start and so on......

Thanks in advance,
Shadan
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: What is wheel dish (Was: Freewheel road hubs)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:10:35 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

The "freewheel road hubs" thread has discussed rear wheels with and without
"wheel dish".  Being a relative novice to the sport I'm not very schooled in the
construction and maint. of bicycles in general and wheels in particular (although
I'm learning).  Could somebody please explain the technical aspects of what
wheel dish is, how its built into a wheel, how its measured, what function it
has, etc?  Any explanations would be appreciated.

TIA



Bob Schwartz (CIT - Cyclist In Training)
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA
  
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Summary: What is the legally recognized right turn signal in your province/state
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: hand signals, traffic law, cycling
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:59:00 GMT

In article <rlewis.712385222@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Rober writes...
>There is a push in this province (Alberta) to change the right turn hand signal
>from one done with the left hand pointing upward with the arm bent at the elbow 
>to a right turn hand signal done with the right hand pointed straight out to 
>the right.  I would like to know which is the legally recognized right turn 
>hand signal in your area.

I know that this has been discussed here extensively in the past. I'm not 
sure about any legal turn signal but ... I always use the right-handed 
pointed-straight-out method because I think it is more clear.

I think that there are a number of people out there, in cars, who don't know 
what the left handed right turn signal means.

Come to think of it though, I rarely see cyclists use any signal on a right 
hand turn.

Mike


Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:23:11 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Jul25.235703.17521@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul24.174603.5157@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>>>
>>> He CLEARLY wanted to injure the cyclist and then
>>> had no remorse for doing so.
>
>>Exactly how did you arrive at this little jem of opinion?
>                                           ^^^
>>He obviously had no remorse, but "wanted to injure the cyclist"?
>>Please think before you type.
>Yup!  (Or maybe your keyboard ran out of g's?)
>But, of course you're right; no information has been posted to warrant
>the conclusion "CLEARLY".  No massive number of kneejerk emotional
>hype will change the law as pertains to this unfortunate accident.

You're all right about this one.  I let my emotions get the best of me (or
worst of me).  It still seems like 4 years is a bit low for a hit-and-run
incident.

><> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
-Rick
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Regina Freewheel problems
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:36:37 GMT


In our never-ending quest to change as many things as possible on the
tandem in between rides, and before major events, we are now playing
with freewheels. We have recently been having all sorts of trouble
with our indexed shifting, and have decided to try a different 
freewheel. 

I had a couple of Regina Synchro 92 7 speed freewheels built and
attempted to put one on the bike last night. Notice that I say 
attempted. The shifting is perfect everywhere, EXCEPT in the smallest
cog, where the chain jams on the frame. I tried 3 different Regina 
freewheels and had the same problem with all of them. The freewheel 
is on as tight as possible. 

I then tried other brands to see if the frame may have problems.  I
tried SunTour, Shimano and Sachs freewheels that we have sitting
around, and while they all have other problems, they do not have the
chain rub problem. The Regina just doesn't seem to go on to the hub as
far.

Have any of you had similar problems with Reginas? I'm heading back
over to the bike shop this afternoon, but I just wanted to see if
anyone else had experienced anthing like this.

pamela

-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:57:03 GMT

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.174603.5157@news2.cis.umn.edu> kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:
>>
>> He CLEARLY wanted to injure the cyclist and then
>> had no remorse for doing so.

>Exactly how did you arrive at this little jem of opinion?
                                           ^^^

>He obviously had no remorse, but "wanted to injure the cyclist"?

>Please think before you type.

Yup!  (Or maybe your keyboard ran out of g's?)

But, of course you're right; no information has been posted to warrant
the conclusion "CLEARLY".  No massive number of kneejerk emotional
hype will change the law as pertains to this unfortunate accident.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: USCF and recumbents
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:46:02 GMT

Eric Schweitzer writes:
>I recall Les telling us that most recumbents are legal for racing in
>USCF sanctioned events. But in a receint HPV News (published by
>the International Human Powered Vehicle Assn.) (May/June 1992)
>there is a letter from John Tarbert, assistant exec. dir. of the USCF
>stating that the Technical Committee decided that recumbents
>were NOT legal in mass start races.
>
>Which is it? Any ideas?

What I actually said was that short wheelbase recumbents (overall
length less than 2 meters) may be legal in USCF races.  I can't find
my May/June HPV News (assuming that it has arrived) so I don't know
exactly what Tarbert said, but it sounds like a paraphrase of an
absurd opinion stated by the USCF Technical Commission in their
meeting last January.  Under USCF regulations, in order for such an
interpretation to be recognized it must be approved by the Board of
Directors, but no attempt was made to do that -- if they had, it
almost certainly would have been shot down.  Thus, Tarbert's letter
apparently falls into the category of "hot air."

As I reported here about six months ago, the two-person Technical
Commission's "interpretation" asserting that recumbents are illegal in
massed start races cites USCF Rule 1I2a but is puzzling in several
ways.

1. There is, in fact, no question of of the ``legality'' of short-wheelbase
   recumbents _per se_ because there is no USCF rule that prohibits them.

2. Rule 1I2a could plausibly be invoked for a particular recumbent design
   if it presents a danger to other riders in a massed start event,
   but it is presumptuous to conclude that _all possible_ recumbent
   designs would have this property.

3. Rule 1I2a authorizes the chief referee to evaluate the safety of racing
   equipment on a case-by-case basis, but does not authorize the Technical
   Commission or any other entity to decide such issues in advance.

In any case, that "interpretation" became invalid under USCF rules
just a few hours after is was issued, as mentioned above.

Having said that, let me acknowledge that none of the short-wheelbase
recumbents that I've seen get around Point 2 above -- they all seem to
have chain rings and cranks in frontal positions that would pose a
safety hazard to other riders and so should not be admitted to massed
start races.  However, a design that does not pose such dangers should
be admitted.  That is the way that I will continue to approach such
questions in the races I run.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Organization: none
	<1992Jul29.190220.15296@lrmsc.loral.com>
Distribution: rec
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:30:24


I used to use the left arm method until my arm was ripped off by a
passing garbage truck. Now I use my left leg raised over my head.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Questions on Sew-ups
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:07:48 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM:
>Although rolling resistance (RR) is not greatly different between one
>high performance tire and another, be that clincher or sew-up, RR of
>a sew-up is worse than a clincher unless you use either a hard glue
>or very thin glue.  Sew-ups or tubulars when glued on, constantly move
>on the rim under load.  This is evident from the wear marks on the
>aluminum and the discoloration of the glue by fretting oxide on the
>base tape of the rim.  This motion is all made in the highly viscous
>glue and is dissipated as heat by the rim.

THEY DO WHAT???

Can you please explain this a bit more? I find it very hard to believe.
If the sew-ups are moving under load, do they move in one direction or
do they move in both directions? Do they move a lot or just a bit
(hardly visibly)? If they move, what about the valve? I suspect that if
the tire move around on the rim, one can see it on the valve.

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* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim            *
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* 'cause it runs in the family."      * Division of Physical Electronics   *
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From: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ba.transportation,ca.environment,alt.activism
Subject: CRANK deadline (Bicycle Advocacy Newsletter)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 20:56:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

Attention bicyclists & bicycle advocates,

If you have any news you'd like published in *The Spinning Crank*, 
the newsletter of the Santa Clara Valley Bicycle Assn., send it
to Ellen Fletcher at

Fletchere@aol.com

by Monday, August 10.

if for any reason that address fails to work, use 

scvba@igc.org as an alternate.

Bill
--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.