HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: esi102@cck.coventry.ac.uk (The Magician)
Subject: Re: Aliens.Part1 - opinions anyone ?
Followup-To: The big Aliens posting
Organization: Coventry University
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:52:21 GMT

I would like to find out if any of this set of atricles (which looks like
the source/sketch notes for a book) is true. I'm a skeptic at heart, but 
i must admit that some of the things outlined in the article do ring true.

If there is a big alien presence on the planet, and they are trying to cover
thier tracks, then there is a possibility that this article is disinformation.

Come on guys, any opinons...

IMHO the article does streach the creduality barrier a bit, but not being an
American I cannot comment on the powerbases described in the context of the
American constitution, or the political history described, but it does seem a 
bit ominous.

Well..If martial law gets declared then watch your buts boyo's.

Thats my farthing's worth.

Tim.
esi102@uk.ac.cov.cck
Dreams fade, but nightmares last for ever....

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From: david.b..smith@hal9000.uucp (David B. Smith) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Use of 2-mile gun
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: david.b..smith@hal9000.uucp (David B. Smith) 

On 10-19-92 (09:46), [ROBERT JAMES HOwrote to ALL            :

[JH>>Couldn't they use this 2-mile gun to shoot nuclear waste and other earth
[JH>>wastes like from garbage dumps out into space, since the gun would be a

[JH>You fool, what about us younger genaration who will have homes out in
[JH>space in a matter of 30 or less years??  Are you one of these people
[JH>who declare that they are environmentally friendly just so they can
[JH>have friends?? Grow up or rot.

If we put it in space, we can always move it farther out; understand
there's a bit of space available out in the Oort Cloud, for example.  If
we leave it on earth (since toxic waste already exists, we can't decide
not to have any) we may well not have a younger generation.  If we lose
the earth, the only value space will have is a place to put the corpses
-- and there won't be enough people around to care.


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From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Subject: Re: Rumor!! Is it true?!!?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 10 NOV 92 11:13:28    


In article <1323.479.uupcb@homebase.com>, joseph.daniels%hombas@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) writes...
>                     The Phobos II Incident
>                  Hostile Aliens Based on Mars
> 
>The mission  was
>flawless  until the craft aligned itself with the moon. On  March
>28,  1989  an  elliptical object was detect  moving  towards  the
>satellite seconds before it failed.

Oh? I wasn't aware the Russians included UFO detectors on their spacecraft.

>All indications were that the
>elliptical  object had attacked the satellite which was now  dead
>and left spinning out of control.

What indications? It went dead. There is nothing sinister in going dead. Light
bulbs do it when you turn off the switch. Spacecraft do it when a loose
connection fails.

> 
>But  the  next  day a top official of  the  Soviet  Space  Agency
>(Glavkosmos)  said:  "Phobos  II is 99% lost for  good."   It  is
>important  to note that he stated the entire satellite  was  gone
>and not just contact with it.

It is important to note that the top official speaks Russian as his primary
language. Putting all kinds of subtle nuances into that simple statement is
just plain worthless.

>One  structure
>shows the face of a man with a helmet looking into space. 

No, it shows a monkey with long hair. It doesn't look at all human. The
"looking into space" part is silly - whatsamatta, didn't sound technical enough
or something?

>It  can
>be  seen at the National Space Science Data Center, Viking  photo
>with catalog number 76-A-593/17384 Titled "HEAD" . Another  photo
>is  070-A-13.  There are now eleven Viking  photographs  of  this
>obviously  intelligently constructed monument on the  surface  of
>Mars.  

"There are now"? Which Viking is still taking pictures? (Hint: neither of
them). As a matter of fact, there are exactly 3 photos of the face. One is too
poor to matter. The other two, 70A13 and 35A72, each have a roughly 30x40 pixel
image of it. "Obviously intelligently constructed" is wild speculation.

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (<gvb@acd4.acd.com>)
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewag
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:33:31 GMT

In article <721161644.AA07845@csource.oz.au> Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell) writes:
>In a message to All <30 Oct 92 15:15> <Gvb@Acd4.Acd.Com> wrote:
>
> <G> From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (<gvb@acd4.acd.com>)
> <G> Organization: Applied Computing
> <G> Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
>
> <G> In my moderated e-mail group, most subjects will be allowed if 
> <G> they are even loosely related to the following question and 
> <G> intelligently (as opposed to sensationally) presented:
>
>Hear Hear!!
>
> <G> Are aliens abducting people?
> <G> To me, the subject of UFOs/Aliens needs to be approached in a 
> <G> scientific manner not a newage and sensationalistic manner. 
> <G> BTW, my research is rolling. Its getting very interesting.
>
>Good to see someone trying to look at the situation intelligently 
>for a change!
>
> <G> Gregg Brown: Serious about UFO
> <G> Sighting and Abduction Research
> <G> 812-442-5354 (10am - 5pm EST) or
> <G> e-mail me at gvb@acd4.acd.com
> <G> All information will be strictly confidential.
>
>Gregg, do you have FidoNet access? If so could you post your 
>Netmail address for me?
>
>Regards,
>...Jim.
>
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>

You can contact me at 2230/0. Its not my BBS but mine is down and I
frequently poll this one since its my hub. (My real address is
2230/204 when I am not down. Please don't use 204 now since my
computer blew a fuse in a big way.)


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        812-442-5354 (10am - 5pm EST) or e-mail me at gvb@acd4.acd.com
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From: pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 20:59:04 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <1992Nov10.135248.27454@netcom.com> rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert 
K. Rouse) writes:

+   What is Bill Clinton position on the UFO activities and the
+government of the USA?  Has anybody ever put the question to him?
+-- 

No idea, but did you know that President Carter actually promised to
tell the world the truth on the UFO sitings whilst campaigning for
the White House. He is reputed to have had an excellent sighting of
one that prompted him to take this position....

+	Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com

Graeme Sutherland.


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From: agent86@netcom.com (Michael McBride)
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:31:00 GMT

In article <599.2AFA9292@mechanic.Fidonet.org> Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak) writes:
>JO>at this time I was really feeling heavy. It was just as if I was on anoth
>JO>planet that had a stronger gravity than ours. I thought of
>JO>Mars and how it would probubly  take short sturdy bodies to live on such
>JO>planet.
>JO> We then turned off Niles Canyon Road on to a paved road
>JO>going north towards a
>
>I am sorry for this time dilated reply to this message we are just
>getting this conference down here in Sunny St Pete, Fla.  But Martian
>gravity would be roughly 25% or earth normal gravity.  And if there were
>natives of Mars there would not be short and squat cause that would
>probably be the characteristic of someone who lived in a 2 gravity or
>stronger field.......

	try again...Mars has .38 earth normal gravity or 38%
	low but not intolerable like the moon (.16).

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From: Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: July 4, 1992 - Global Sp
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1992 19:49:00

In a message to All <26 Oct 92 08:23> John_-_Winston wrote:

 Jo> From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
 Jo> Organization: The Portal System (TM)

 Jo> Subject: The Red Head.

[Stuff Deleted}

 Jo> In the most spectacular example of reincarnation of recent 
 Jo> times, a baby emerged from her mothr's womb talking and 
 Jo> announced to stunned doctors that she was Lucille Ball back 
 Jo> form the dead. 

 Jo>Information Source. Januar5y 23, 1990-Sun-page 29.
                                         ^^^^^
Nuff said really!!-------------------------^

But, errr...  what's this got to do with aliens UFOs and the like?


.Jim.

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From: Juhana.Rasanen@hut.fi (Juhana R{s{nen)
Subject: Anybody remember 'the October Surprise'?
Organization: /u/opi/t/justus/.organization
Distribution: alt
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:00:35

  Yeah, what was it? October is long gone and I don't think I've been
surprised in any way. I'm so disappointed! Who's responsible for this
disinformation? Or... could it be so that some of you guys have been...
er... dare I say... wrong? Or was the whole thing YAGCC (Yet Another
Government Coverup-Conspiracy)? Inquisitive minds want to know!


	Juhana
--
	"Never argue with a six-year-old who shaves."

		-- Calvin
From: duane@mothra.rose.hp.com (Duane)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 22:08:56 GMT
Subject: 1 hour sightings this week !!!
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

Greetings,


            Looks like sightings is going to have a one hour special this week 
            ... From UFO's to Ghost to things that go bump in the night.

            Like my little toe that I broke last year when going to the bathroom
            in the middle of the night ... Damn chair!


            Hope its good and not a repeat.



            Duane


            California  Dreamin
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
From: dennis.kier@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Dennis Kier) 
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: dennis.kier@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Dennis Kier) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084


JDear Folks: Please be patient with me. I seem to not be able to post
Jfrom floopy disk lately.

Well, it must be the space aliens who are helping you out. I have been
getting 4 copies of every one of your posts. The 2nd and 4th ones are a
little distorted at the end.

Dennis
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Please help me! _What_ was that?
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:35:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall) writes:
	At dawn, I suddenly woke up from a strange noise. It was very
	loud - a deep, pulsating noise...I went outside, an I saw very
	regularly shaped clouds on the sky - leading to the ground
	about 10 miles away from us....we couldn't get our camera
	ready in time.

... it would help if you told what rate the pulsations were going at.
Very fast?  (e.g. helicopter blades) Very slow? (e.g. oil-derrick
pump) You might also descibe the clouds in more detail.

	...we smelled we were getting closer.

... what did you smell?  Sulpherous?  Oil? 

	we heard that sound again, getting louder and louder,

... as if it was approaching, or revving up to take off?

	and some kind of aircraft took off about half a mile away.

... if it was that close, you must have had a pretty good look at
it -- did it have wings?  Rotors?  Did you take any pictures of it?

	There was a 300ft circle in which everything was burnt.

... this part sounds like some sort of VTOL aircraft mark.  I am not
aware of any of these in the Russian inventory, though.  Can anyone
help out?  Also, is there a North Seas Fleet (or whatever its called
now) base anywhere around where you were?  (Did you take any soil 
samples?)

	We looked around and found some strange greyish chunks of
	metal. Not actually metal - almost like rocks, very hard.

... you might describe these more fully.  What do they weigh?  What
size?  What shape?  Greyish, as in dark or light grey?  Dull or
bright?  Weathered, machined?

	I also took some pictures, but they aren't developed yet.

... I suggest you develop them.  You might also want to take your rock
to an assayist to find out what it is made of.  You might also want to
contact your nearest MUFON, or other reputable UFO-group
representative (if you know who that is), and see what can be done.

Hope this helps,

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Gregory_Nouch@mindlink.bc.ca (Gregory Nouch)
Subject: UFO's
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:54:05 GMT

Here it is loud and clear! I won't go wandering around the subject i'll stick
to it and get straight to the point. I think 99% of what you guys supspect to
think are aliens are false alarms or a hoax created by someone to get a quick
laugh. There's so many possibilities on what they could be. I think most of
the reports on UFO's being sighted are most lickley "Top Secret" aircraft
tests from the gouverment. If you look at it most of the sightings are all in
1 area. I mean people think aliens are stalking the area, there's also a
possibility that there's one guy in the area that made a habit of hoaxing
people. I'm not narrow minded or anything, I have my 100% beleifs that were
not the only place in the galaxy with living organisms on it. I just think we
as humans need more proof then we already have.



I just want to make one thing clear. I'm not saying that there is no E.T's
visiting our planet. I'm just saying in my own humble opinion that it's
unlickly.

I know some people in this area will get a little jumpy over what I said I
just wanted to express my own opinion.
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:21:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.152620.8391@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>
>Well I imagine that Henry Winkler has something to say about all of this.
>He is the one whom produces quite a few of the UFO related "Sightings"
>shows ,I think.
>I might be wrong about the show, it could have been the periodical
>"Mysteries of the Unknown", that feature quite a bit of UFO information. At
>any rate, I think that he has a vested intrest in this phenomena.
>
>Mabye the Authors of the FAQ could put together a PETITION for all
>interested in this group, possibly others, to send to Pres-elect Clinton.
>What do you all think?
>

I really think that SOMEBODY needs to publicly put this question to the 
President, perhaps in front of cameras at a press conference (Clinton).

The best person to be spokesman would be a press personality. 
Rod's suggestion is very good, and I had forgotten that the Fonz is a UFO
nut like us...
So short of getting Dan Rather to ask the Prez for us, maybe the best idea
is to try and contact HW. Anyone have an idea of how to contact someone
that is used to privacy in a big way? Maybe we could send a letter to 
him via his agent or manager, or production company?

Jeff-
From: david.b..smith@hal9000.uucp (David B. Smith) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 2-mile long gun
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: david.b..smith@hal9000.uucp (David B. Smith) 

On 10-18-92 (13:34), JAMES KITTOCK   wrote to ALL            :

JK>>>It is commonly known as a rail gun.  It uses magnetic forces and super

JK>Actually, the current project (which will be tested sometime in the
JK>next month or so) uses gas from an explosion and the barrel is about
JK>120 feet long, as I recall.  The goal is to get the projectile up to
JK>about 9,000 MPH (I think).  Of course, the escape velocity of Earth's
JK>g-field is a bit higher than that, but it is the right order of
JK>magnitude.

JK>Sadly, the payload is only about 10kg.  But it is a start.

JK>As for weapons use, it is always a possibility, but I think there are
JK>more practical and effective weapons systems.

1.  Could you "compare and contrast" this project with the "Super Gun"
originally under development my an expatriot American in Canada,
whichsame tech was sold through England to Iraq?  (Was big news circa
Desert Storm.)  I always found this alternative to rockets rather
intriguing.

2.  Does this all really relate to "alien visitors," or is it more in
line with "space exploration" as a topic?


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From: lwally@cix.compulink.co.uk (Lee Walton)
Subject: Re: Flagstaff Craft                     
Cc: lwally@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: lwally@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:36:00 +0000

> In article <1d75jcINN58d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ca855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
> (Robert Allen Coody) writes...

>> It made a slow
>> right turn, almost if in a glide and then I saw that the craft was
>> slightly illuminated by three white lights, disclosing a triangular body.
>> After it slowly glided away, about a mile off from my position, a jet
>> engine came on for about three minutes and it speeded up slightly and then
>> the engine shut down again.  Sound Familiar, anyone familiar with
>> experimental craft?
>> --
>> Juan de los Caballeros

> Thanks for posting that. You have seen something remarkably similar to the
> now famous UFO seen widely over Belgium. I've always taken the Belgian UFO
> for a super-secret aircraft, and your sighting does much to confirm that,
> especially the part about the jet engine.
> -Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com

Sounds a bit like the B2 Stealth Bomber (flying out from a USAF base in
Germany?) which looks a bit like a triangle with two triangles notched out
the base:

                                 /\
                                /  \
                               /    \
                              /      \
                             / /    \ \
                            /_/-\__/-\_\

This picture is a bit squashed, but I think that its similar to what a B2
looks like. Was it just a single jet engine? Sounds like the jet was on
normal thrust and then turned on the after-burner which on most planes makes
a hell of a racket compared to what they normally sound like.

Of course, a civilian UFO is not necessarily a military UFO. But on the other
hand saying that something is an experimental aircraft is always a good way
of debunking sightings.

BTW, when was this mass sighting over Belgium?

L. Walton
From: david.b..smith@hal9000.uucp (David B. Smith) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Use of 2-mile gun
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: david.b..smith@hal9000.uucp (David B. Smith) 

ATW>From: Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>

ATW>>wastes like from garbage dumps out into space, since the gun would be a
ATW>>farily cheeper method of doing this than if chemical propellant
ATW>>spacecrafts were to be used.  And you don't need as many resources as
ATW>>spaceships, since you can probably power the gun with nuclear power
ATW>>which is not a problem?

ATW>>>Great! And then we have garbage in space orbitting the Earth.  Yum.  Not o
ATW>>>that but it makes it fun for all future satellites and manned missions try
ATW>>>to zigzag through the stink free zone.
ATW>>>Colleen

ATW>Well, I am sure this 2-mile gun can shoot the earth junk out of earth
ATW>orbit, so I don't understand what the problem is.  There is PLENTY of
ATW>room in space so that the junk won't get in anyone's way! Plus you can
ATW>put some kind of contamination shielding around the junk if it is toxic.

The idea of all that trash in orbit isn't the main objection: extra mass
is usually useable for something.  The big problem is that before it
reaches orbit, a spacebound load of, say, plutonium would have to pass
through the upper atmosphere.  What do you suppose might be the impact
of a rocket full of plutonium (the most poisonous substance in the
world) blowing up in the middle of the jetstream??  Boggles the mind.
Will a rail-gun be able to deliver this stuff to space more safely??

The question becomes, is it more dangerous to eject all these toxins
into space, or to let them accumulate on the surface?  All of a sudden,
finding ways to not produce so much of these poisons becomes much more
attractive!!


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:37:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Big Foot Watcher: I woke up from my dream this morning thinking 
about some movies taken of Big Foot. The female of the species  sometime
has a mamory system that is well developed and the produces a swaying
from side to side.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:16:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: I am surprised that Lauren picked up my mistake in using
the Martian atmosphere in the explanation. I was wrong and should have
used another planet that had a greater gravity pull than our own.
John Winston. Welcome to the people of Florida.
From: pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ET Races: (Was: Re: a.a.v. Frequently Asked Questions [1 of 3])
Date: 10 Nov 1992 20:53:10 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk
Keywords: FAQ

In article <40811@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain) writes:
+In article <1992Nov7.092129.18314@u.washington.edu>, 
+pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) writes:
+|> In article <1992Nov5.191014.9000@raven.alaska.edu> 
+|> fxdlk@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (A figment of your imagination) writes:
+|> >3.01: Aryans (Blondes)
+|> >----------------------
+|> >Blond Nordic Humanoids who work with the greys. Said to be captured by
+|> 
+|> You should mention the Centaurian extraterrestrials, who are blond
+|> nordic types who come from Alpha Centauri - that's right: the closest
+|> 
+|> DALs: This is a race of nordic types who come from what is called the
+
+Either Hitler was right, or there is one HELL of a market for peroxide out
+there...

There is also the paradox that the caucasian race was (as far as I've heard)
the last racial group to arise on Earth. This seems awfully out of place with
90% of the theories that say that the Pleideans (also white) are the actual
ancestors of all humanity.

Secondly, we seem to be the only species in the universe that shows any form
of variation in our colouring, all others seem to lack this genetic trait...

Graeme Sutherland.