From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:37:25 GMT


pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
: In <1992Apr16.044405.25939@seas.gwu.edu> maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
: >pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
: >: You forgot a few:
: >[tons of fucking shit deleted]
: 
: like your proposals weren't fucking shit?

I did NOT come up with the names for the groups.  Other people on the
music newsgroups named them.

: >Listen kid,
: 
: Listen, *child*, I happen to be working FOR the university, not ATTENDING the
: university.  Get your preconcieved attitudes out of your ass.

RELAX...that was just meant to get your attention.  I'm sorry
I offended you so much.

: >		you don't know what the hell is going on in these newsgroups.
: >There are flame wars constantly about what is rock and hard rock and
: >metal and etc.
: 
: Because they have the stupidest splits between them.  How the
: fuck do YOU define metal and hard rock and rock-n-roll?  Probably differently
: from a significant portion of anyone else anywhere, since the terms are
: so vague as to be useless.

People who can't tell the difference between these types of music are
musically illiterate.  Sure, there are groups that fall in between,
but don't tell me that INXS and U2 can be considered metal.

: >		These new subdivisions will stop flame wars and give
: >birth to new newsgroups where people can post about something without
: >getting flamed.
: 
: No, the new subdivisions will give rise to even more stupid flame wars
: (QUIT POSTING ABOUT YOUR BAND ON OUR BANDS BOARD! (even if the relationship
: is relevant) etc.).

So what do you suggest?  Maybe we should just combine all the music
newsgroups into one, so that there will only be one newgroup with flame
wars.  Get real.

: >I have been reading alt.r-n-r.metal for some time now and it's filled
: >with groups like Def Leppard and Guns N Roses, which don't belong there.
: 
: In YOUR OPINION.  Get a clue.  Your opinion isn't the center of the
: Universe, much less Usenet.

Once again, this is NOT just my opinion.

: >Hell, there's even stuff about INXS, U2, and Queen.  These groups are
: >NOT metal.
: 
: Awwww....  So hard/metal/r-n-r are just so easy to define, right?  Why
: then are people posting about these bands in .metal?  They can't ALL
: be clueless dweebies.

Believe me, most of them are "clueless dweebies."

: >Sure, we could keep separating all these groups forever, but that was
: >not my point.  I want these groups to be RENAMED so that people will
: >see the differences in music more easily.
: 
: Right.  Like I said, we need all those other groups too.  I mean,
: alt.music.soft at the VERY least.

But are those "other groups" in high demand also?

: >The groups that I wanted to see created were "alt.music.rock.hard"
: >(because hard rock gets posted in the metal newsgroups) and "alt.
: >guitar.tab"
: 
: Actually, alt.guitar.tab was the only group in the lot that I saw
: with any merit.  I'd agree that it would be useful.

Thank you.

: >	(because there is an on going 'to tab or not to tab'
: >controversy going on which is a waste of time).  I've been trying
: >to cleanse these newsgroups, with little or no success.
: 
: So young, yet already a burgeoning member of the net.police.  Wow.
: Welcome to the club.  Think before you act though.  Simply splitting
: these groups up and adding more will not help (may well hurt), and
: will only contribute to an eventual lack of distribution for all *.music.*
: groups, because they have become so splintered as to be useless.  It's
: not like there's any rhyme or reason to the names you've chosen, or
: like there are truly clear cut divisions between what constitutes
: hard rock, metal, and "rock-n-roll".  You can argue about them all
: till you're blue in the face, and no one will ever change their already
: preconcieved notions.

Once again, I did NOT come up with these names.  I'm merely
collecting everyone's suggestions and presenting them.

: >So before you go off on what's wrong about subdiving the music
: >newgroups, maybe you should take a look at all the crap that's
: >being posted there.  Thank you for your time and cooperation.
: 
: So before you go off and propose a bunch of ill-named groups, maybe
: you should give some thought to the effect on the net as a whole,
: and to the idea of coming up with a more comprehensive and sensible
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: naming scheme that will be less prone to flames because people's
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: individual judgements differ.

Do you have any suggestions?  Or are you just saying this to put an
end to this discussion?

Maple

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