HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: DARREK Mohookahaka direct, GEMULATOR
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:34:50 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR



  Although I have absolutely NO interest in the GENULATOR, Darek Mohookaka was
more than kind enough to reply toa posting I made about his Current Notes
Article from last year.  Since there is enough talk about the Gemualtor, anyone
who is interested in asking him DIRECTLY can post him at his INTERNET address.

		IN%"Darrekm@microsoft.com"

-Mark Santora
  Atari into the next Century!
  Don't believe me?  Ask the Blade Runner.
From: phu27@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Asmodeus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: PD Tetris WANTED
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:42:38 GMT
Reply-To: phu27@seq1.keele.ac.uk
Organization: DEC Palo Alto
To: comp.sys.atari.st.usenet
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Via: sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:10:24 +0100


Hello.

I am looking for an Atari PD Tetris program for a friend. I would prefer
a binary I can download by anonymous FTP if anyone can supply me the
site name/address and location of the file.

Thanks in advance.
Ralph.

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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR vs ST w/ PC
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr13.002309.914
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <ami2iB1w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>
>I still think that GEMulator is a waste. There is no pratical
>use for it. Get an ST for $200 and be done with it... Why in god's
>name would someone waste the time to find the ROMS, waste the diskspace
>just to get something that's not even as fast as a $200 ST even with a 
>386/40?

I wouldn't mind getting a ST for $200.00 dollars, but I already have one.
But the fact that you are missing is that for $200.00, you get a ST with
no monitor at all, and the fact that for $200.00, you are probably getting
a 1 meg ST.  With the GEMULATOR, you can have more memory and you can run
fast as a ST with a 486.  And the fact that you get the best of ST and
PC.  For me I guess is no big loss since I already have a fast enough PC
to run gemulator, but for others who need a fast pc to run ST software,
I would suggest just an ST with an monitor if that is what they are going
for is to run ST only.  But for people who are going for a fast pc, and want
ST stuff as well, the Gemulator solves the problem. 
>
>AND no MIDI interface? You've just lost 50% of your market... and 
>SOUNDBLATER Midi interfaces are not too standard...
I don't know what you mean by SB pro not being standard, but if you are
referring just to SB, you need a module, but the SB pro already has
MIDI capabilities.  I don't use MIDI, so that dept. is not what I use
my st for in the first place.
I'm not trying to get people to sell ST just to get the gemulator, NO WAY!
I love the ATARI ST and the STE along with the TT.  I can't wait to see the
FALCON as well!!!  No, my intention for any postings is that people who
have the same situation as me, ST with a PC, I prefer to have a emulato
for the PC so that I don't need to fork out money for a HardDrive and another
monochrome monitor for the ST.  Instead I can sell my ST for enough to get
a gemulator and the ROMs along with some extra cash.  Then I have a STE emulator that can do 4096 colors with more available memory!!!
And the fact that I can now port my files onto a 1.44 Meg Floppy instead of
using 720K formats.  That alone saved me a few bucks.
From: rlw@ukc.ac.uk (R.L.Wall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Sound player wanted for .au samples on ST
Keywords: Music, sample
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:29:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

I have a sample taken from the sounds.misc newsgroup which I would like to
play on my ST. Does anyone have a player that could be used for this purpose
please, if so could they uuencode and Email it to me please.

Thanks for your time

Cheers - Dick
--
Well my baby, she don't want me around        ! DoD #246,      Squid Rating 1.5
She said she's tired of watching me fall down ! Current Steed   ---   CBX550FII
She wants the good life, with all the best    !--------------------------------
But I like that bottle better than the rest   ! <- Van Halen wi. David Lee Roth
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TT030/8 Information Needed!
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:27:59 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <kq0wiB4w164w@equinox.gen.nz> shore@equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
>
>Speaking about Jukebox... for some reason I can't get it to work
> on my STE (2 megs RAM)... It loads the MOD okay, plays for 10 - 20
> seconds, then crashes with a horrible low pitch buzzing (like it's
> playing junk out of the computers RAM)
>
> Any ideas why??

What else do you have installed?  Maybe you have a bad MOD?  Which one is it?


-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
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  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey)
Subject: Re: Formatting PC-readable disks on older STs
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:14:55 GMT

I wish that someone would publish a FAQ file with answers to
Frequently Asked Questions.

I would suggest these topics:

	1. how to format floppies with older equipment
	2. how to find atari archives  (ftp and mail)
	3. how to find other archives
	4. how to download
	5. which is the best terminal emulator for a beginer

And now to answer question number 1.

There are two fine programs for use on older STs that format folppies
in a way suitable for use on PCs.  We use both of them regularly
around here.  They are both small and complete.  Try them.

	PS2FORM
	IBMFORM

Both are available at atari.archives.umich.edu .
There are something that the beginner should know about,
if he or she is going to use more than one floppy formmated on
an IBM PC, and that is that the internal soft serial number magnetically
encoded on a floppy that has been formatted on a PC might be the same
from one disk to another.  This can cause you grief if you switch from
one floppy directly to another, because unlike the IBM PC, the Atari
goes to the bother of reading the serial number, and it might make
a mess of the second floppy thinking that you just took the same
floppy out and put it back in again.  A simple minded, but sure fire
cure is something like double clutching:  take out the ibm floppy,
put in your atari floppy, put in the second ibm floppy.
There are other cures for this, but that is not for beginners.


-- 
Leroy J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada  N2L 3G1
Internet:      ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca
               ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu
UUCP:          ljdickey@watmath.UUCP
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Can I send e-mail to pay services?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 02:47:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

James Robert O'Donnell Jr. asked if it was possible to send InterNet
mail to commercial information services...
 
As far as I know, the ONLY commercial "pay service" that is
connected into the InterNet is CompuServe.
 
You can send InterNet mail to a CompuServe subscriber if you
know their CIS account number...
 
The address to use is:  <CIS Account.Number>@Compuserve.com
 
For example, if the person you want to send mail to has a
CIS account number of  712345,0123  you would address your
mail to them as:
 
         712345.0123@Compuserve.com
 
NOTE... while CIS accounts use a COMMA in the account numbers,
INTERNET mail  *must*  use a PERIOD..
 
It works... I've done it...
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey)
Subject: Re: What's A Fair Price for a Hard Disk?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:16:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.164247.18706@cdsmn.mn.org>
	plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate) writes:

>What's a fair price for a USED ~40Meg external SCSI hard disk?  I'm 
>talking about the disk, box, power supply, AdSCSI+ and cable? 

I suggest this formula:
	Let A be the age of the drive, in months.
	Let P be price of a comparable new unit today.
	Estimate value of present unit as max { 0, P x (60 - A) / 60 }.


-- 
Leroy J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada  N2L 3G1
Internet:      ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca
               ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu
UUCP:          ljdickey@watmath.UUCP
From: dtarico@misvax.mis.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS chips
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:38:09 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona

>>William:
>> 
>>Techincally, yes, your TOS chips are interchangable.  How easily
>>depends on whether your 1040ST has a two or six chip set.  If
>>it has two chips, then just open each one up and change the
>>chips, just be sure to get the chips back in their corresponding
>>sockets.
> 
>    For the most part, the above is true.  However, I have one of the first
> Mega 2's ever produced.  When I upgraded to TOS 1.4, I had to get a 6-chip
> set because the very first Megas had 6 chip sets.  Unless your Mega 2 is
> 1988 or older, I would *strongly* advise opening it up to see if you do 
> indeed have 2 or 6 chips in there.  
> 
> --Rob

I believe (somebody correct me if I am wrong) that any ST can use the 2
chip TOS sets.  I have a Mega 2 which has 6 sockets, but only has 2 ROM
chips in it.  I believe that there are some solder jumpers that select
between the 2 and 6 chip configurations.  Actully, I just got out my TOS
1.4 docs.  It is easy to change the jumpers on the 1040 so that it will
accept a 2 chip set.  Making the Mega ST use a 6 chip set (if it currently
has a 2 chip set) might require removing a small chip (I can't tell exactly
from the picture).  Anyway, if you know your way around a soldering iron,
you should definitely be able to swap the chips without much effort.  If
you don't, then you'll have to hope that both machine have the same number
of chips.  Hope this helps. 
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        Doug Tarico                      
    dtarico@mis.arizona.edu                  Bombs, not Hippies!
       (602)795-7633                       
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From: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Keywords: word processor dtp
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:06:58 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Apr14.102756.10825@beaver.cs.washington.edu> bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert) writes:
>favorable.  One point you mentioned was Postscript-to-disk ability... this
>seems like a strange function for a word processor, seems like if you
>want postscript you *DO* want a Desktop Publishing program (Pagestream would
>do this for you).
Other W/processors do provide Postscript output: for example: on MessyDOS 
platforms: such as MSWord, WordPerfect, Ami. Postcript is very necessary 
for people with access to Postscript-driven laser printers. 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari dead in NZ - NEVER!  
From: Pandora@kcbbs.gen.nz (Dawn Scotting)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:46:33 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

To Roger W. Sheppard

>In article <12698.989225751@kcbbs.gen.nz> Dawn_Scotting@kcbbs.gen.nz
>(Dawn Scot
>> X-Mailer: KCReader v0.95a  
>> help  
>> send 8bit/Index  
>>   pandora@kcbbs.gen.nz OR Fidonet 3:772/90         
>>   Kia Ora from The Land of the Long White Cloud    
>> --- KCReader v0.95 beta  
>> >Hey Roger, Atari may very well be dead in New Zealand, but it
>is rather  
>> >stupid to extrapolate this to the entire world, and especially
>Europe,  
>> >where Atari is doing well. Expand your horizons a little.  
>
>Your have you facts wrong!!
>
>From the feed back back that I received Atari is no doing to well
>any were, the TT and Mega STE is a flop, and a lot of software
>houses are dropping Atari..
>
>Don't just read the Bull that you get out of Stupid UK Magazines..
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Well Roger, I really must apologise for that mess of a message, I was 
learning to use an offline reader for the first time and for some reason 
the end of one message and the beginning of the next one were mixed 
up and sent as one message! That little bit that ended in ' Expand your 
horizons a bit' was a quote from someone elses message, it wasn't me 
that said it! Anyway I can't be bothered in carrying this silly conversation 
on because really no one will ever win, we all believe what we want 
to believe don't we? And I believe that Atari in NZ is far from dead!
From: jvance@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Reply-To: jvance@ics.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:51:37 GMT

>> According to the benchmarks in a past current notes, a Mega STE
>> will outperform a 386/25 machine.  A standard STE will outperform
>> any 286 machine, and the TT blows away a 486/25.
>
>Please tell me what is the point off all this..??
>If you don't have software for these so call faster machines..??

   That's right.  There isn't any software.  Don't give me these
benchmark stories when you know they aren't true.  Why, you couldn't
even have compiled the benchmarks because there isn't software.
   And hey, I would know since I have those machines and I don't have
any software what so ever.  I mean, Lexicor's graphics programs are a
hoax.  Codehead Technologies are just spin doctors.  They don't import
top quality software and they never made any cool software of their
own.  Double Click only utilized your money too.  Calamus is just a
pipe dream, and Pagestream is a bunch of hot air.  All the magazines
that say they use these programs for layout are just fooling you.  The
Foxtex Recorders can't even be used since C-Lab, Dr.T, and Steinberg
don't make any MIDI Software.  Top radio stations don't use Hybrid
Art's Digital Master for production and on-air playback because it's
just a hoax too.  There is no such thing as Optical Character
Recognition software from Migraph because you can't even get a
scanner.  Multi TOS is a lie.  MiNt never multi-tasked anything.  You
can only get GNU software like GNU C and GNU Emacs and GNU C++ on
Apple machines.  Sudden View didn't get a raving review from Jerry
Pournelle.  Atari just paid him to say that.  Dave Small just pretends
to make a Mac Emulator.  And the two '030 boards are just more
vaporware.

  Didn't you hear?  Atari folded 10 years ago.

--
Joachim Vance
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     I am antisesquipedalian--Opposed to the use of long words.
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From: chuck@cpg.trs.reuter.com (Chuck Menard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:16:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Reuters Client Site Systems, Oakbrook,IL

In article <H.PKB38Z99yf2@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>In <1992Apr13.200515.15958@cis.ohio-state.edu>, Ted Brown writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.144016.1226@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cs3ca3au@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Conan the Barbarian) writes:
>>>In article <92095.191851EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Carlos Varela <EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>>
>>>The price ends up being something like $2500 for the Unix operating system,
>>>a 130Meg 17ms access time HD.  This is on top of the price of a TT.  It was
>>>hooked up to a 19 inch monochrome monitor.  I'm not sure if the big screen
>>>was part of a deal or not.

Welllll... I'm 90% sure that that price does include the $1000 monochrome 
monitor.  I don't have the info with me now that I got in person at the Chicago 
Atari Show last November.  That means I was told that the price without
the monitor is $1500.  I was also told that it is supposed to be ready this
spring (i.e. - Now!) and that they are also working on a color version...which
is great since many people may have just the color monitor.  Also, it comes 
installed on a 230 meg hd and a 300 meg hd is an option.  Apparently, only 
developers have it here in the U.S. right now.

>>
>    The original poster should have pointed out that this is Atari's price
>for the development version of Atari's Unix, which includes compilers, 
>documentation, and Xfacemaker, appearantly a very nicely designed resource
>builder for the Motif based interface they're using. My informant said
>it was a 230 meg hd with the option to get a 4 or 500 meg instead. 
>-- 
>       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca

Cheers!
Chuck
From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Disabling upper 2 megs.
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:32:28 GMT
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany

In article <swwhatley.703171240@node_ecdd> swwhatley@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (STEVEN WHATLEY) writes:
>In <92104.033254JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>I am looking for a program that will disable EXACTLY that upper 2 megs of
>>ram, and leave the ST in a state as if this were not installed.  I need this
>>to test out some problems I have encountered.
>[...] I create a 2 meg ram disk using a reset
>proof ram disk like MEGMATIC (sp?).  That solved my problems.  Hope it helps.

That would be my suggestion too.  I once wrote a RAM disk called EDISK, a tiny,
ultra-fast, reset-proof RAM disk utility.

This RAM disk reserves the requested amount of memory, and executes a reset.
When the system comes back up, the memory addresses are exactly the same as
they would be in an ST equipped with that much less RAM. (I checked.)

I suggest that you use this trick.

-- Volker
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Terminal server idler?
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:21:58 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr8.181402.8470@eskimo.celestial.com> yellowbd@eskimo.celestial.com (Andy Hubbell) writes:
> Someone looking for a terminal program with this feature built in?  This
> is but one of many others built in to the Freeze Dried Terminal program!
> It seems like the author talked it over with all his friends and put in
> the features that everyone really wanted!  Get version 2.12 as it is the
> most current and has the most features!  Best shareware terminal package
> I've seen yet!  I quit using Interlink in favor of this one!
>   
> It seems like I've been plugging the program here on the net...  I'm not
> in any way affiliated with the author.  I just really feel that this is
> the best quality shareware software available out there.  And the demo
> version isn't crippled to the point of practical uselessness like some
> authors seem to feel necessary to ensure people will register!
>                        --== Andy ==--


From the Chaps that use it here in NZ, its very Buggy, has good ANSI
emulation though..
-- 
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***  85 Donovan Rd        *    *   GEnie.  R.SHEPPARD5               ***
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***  New Zealand..          *      not like a dying light globe      ***
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:48:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr9.184805.5966
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

>>
>>And it's a *lot* faster than an STE :-).  Especially if the HD is IDE.
>>-- 
>>Van Snyder = vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov
>
>Well, not to be picky, but I think that statement is a bit lacking.  Whether
>or not the 386-25 is faster than the Mega STe depends a lot on what you are
>doing and what extras you have.  It's ridiculous to say that a 386 is a *lot*
>faster than the Mega in general (which I am not convinced is the case)>
>
>I have used both the 16 MHz (and yes I know not everything is fully 16 MHz
>or whatever, and it's still a 68000 but it IS fast) and a 386-25 and it 
>seems to me the general environments are very close to the same in terms
>of speed, in fact my 8 MHz 520 with TOS 1.0 can perform some things the same
>as my roommate's 386, and some things faster (like animation, window draws).
>

I think what was meant was the CPU vs CPU, graphics on the ST are faster than
the average VGA card or the average SVGA card.  I've ran test of my 1040
against my 386SX, it won in many places as well, but lost in others.
One interesting note, APPLE has this add stating that their 68000 16Mhz machines
are equivalent in speed as a 286 running windows.  And puts my LC II 030-16
at the speed of an SX20 running windows.  It was in their latest ads all
over magazines.
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MicroEMACS & The Atari -- .CMD
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:10:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr11.221051.20084
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville


I recently downloaded uE 3.10, for the Atari...                    

It's really nice, but is there an environment variable you can set
to tell it where the .CMD files are?

I didn't see one in any of the docs that came with
it -- or the uE manual itself (which does have a VMS logical
name you can define for VAXen about the .CMD files.

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 07:59:42 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr12.000208.23654@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
> 
> No, TOS 2.06 is not included with that high density upgrade.  It's
> not required.  See, instead of an Ajax chip, you get a small PCB
> board that plugs into the socket where the disk controller went,
> and it handles the mode switching for the disk drive.  It's a
> simple software patch so you can use all versions of TOS.  I'm
> not sure TOS 2.06 would eliminate the need for this patch, as
> TOS 2.06 is set for an Ajax chip, not his board.  Next time I'm
> on GEnie, I'll ask him about that, and try to get his phone
> number for you.  If you have access to GEnie, I believe is
> Email address is PAUL.WU.
>  
> Rob
> -- 
> | Robert Glover                               GEnie:  R.GLOVER3 |
> | Internet:           rg@turing.acs.virginia.edu                |
> | Cleveland Freenet:  aq115@cleveland.freenet.edu               |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From what I have read, TOS 2.06 access the Ajax chip via a PAL or GAL,
so I don't think it will ever work on a ST/FM Mega or STE...

Also about the Omnimon upgrade, the controler chip used does not have
the same command set as the WD 1772, so could fail with some games..??
-- 
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