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From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Adding the B-word (was Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:19:42 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Apr13.130642.18484@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>"...bisexuals obviously
>aren't very committed to anything, I mean, where's the Bisexual Movement?".

We're over here, banging our collective heads against some mad buggers'
wall :-)

>some of her lesbian friends wouldn't come along if they thought bisexuals
>would be at the meeting too. The bi men might crack onto them, and the
>bi women were "sleeping with the enemy". And that's word for word.)

Those are quite common fears.  Maybe you could organise a non-confrontational
meeting where people can express their feelings and get reassurance from
the others that nobody wants to threaten them?  It would require a commitment
on both sides to listen to the other, which isn't always easy when people
are feeling threatened.

What do these lesbians think of heterosexual women?

I've run a feww workshops on bisexuality for lesbin and gay groups, and
it can be quite rewarding.  It can also be extremely depressing.  It helps
to have more than one person doing it, especially if you can get both
bisexual men and bisexual women involved.

That's the comment.  This is the **HUG**.

Dave.
--
 Dave Berry, LFCS, Edinburgh Uni.      db%dcs.ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk

"And so it looks like we're in for another five years of silly government."
					-- Monty Python.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kitling )
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:02:53 GMT

chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.093644.2427@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> (soc.bi), abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kitling ) writes:
>> 
>> *sinks down against the floot and curls her tail over her nose to wait this
>> thing out*  

>Would a defender help to keep you out in the net?  After all, as a
>Greywolf I have always wanted a chance to howl at moonlight.  ;-)

Oh.....I dunno.  That all depends on that you're defending me from.....:) 
*looks around* They seem to have gone for now.  *stretches her wolven body
out and relaxes*  *looks up at the full moon and grins* Anyone ready for
a chorus????


moonlight

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: hardie@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ted Hardie)
Subject: Re: How do you feel about Outing, a quick poll.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:41:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.044816.27453@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>I've noticed many people posting that they are against outing no matter
>what.  Most people on the net do not know my position on outing, and I
>request people that do know please hold their tongue.
>
>So, here's the question for people that say that they are against
>outing "no matter what":
>
>Situation:  Sodomy is declared illegal in all 50 states.  In fact,
>those caught are stigmatized and are black-listed.  They are fired and
>the black-list makes it difficult for them to get a job.  There are
>many witchhunt-style searches for gays and more so lesbians.
>
>One day you discover that the procecutor that oversees 100% of all the
>arrests is, himself, a homosexual.  Not only is he homosexual, but he
>is well-know at the town's local gay bar.
>
>What do you do?  Do you tell anyone?  Do you bring it to the press?
>Do you "out" him?  What if he wasn't the prosecutor but ranked high
>enough that he could put an end to all investigations and might even
>be able to have the law overturned?
>
>(go to the next page for the rest of this post)
>
>The situation I just described is the U.S. military.  Many gay men,
>bisexuals, and (mostly) lesbians are given dishonorable discharges each
>year.  It is difficult to find work with such a thing on your record.
>The highest ranking civilian is Pete Williams; he could stop it; he
>could end it for good; he is 100% gay.
*BZZZZT*
Thank you for playing.  The highest ranking civilian is George Bush;
(Boy what I thought before I came to the name)he could stop it with a
word.  Pete Williams is responsible both to the secretary (Cheney) and
to Bush.  He could do nothing without their approval.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Knocking Celibacy
From: pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:18:05 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Apr16.211321.20677@cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>The story so far...

[story deleted]

>Over
>the past 5 or 6 months that Sara has been posting here, she has made it
>obvious that she is most definitely _not_ tee-total. Hence there is
>enough context for us to realise that the "And I'm tee-total" part is
>definitely intended as humor. The "and celibate" extension can be
>reasonably interpreted as an extra piece of humor to punctuate the
>previous bit.

Ok.  I did see the sarcasm, I was just being a bit contrary the
other day.  I'm certainly willing to drop the matter.

Steph
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.234506.29366@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.185010.9792@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>
>>I didn't announce my demuffining,(because I felt embarrassed that it
>>had taken me so long to learn how to post.  I wanted to post the first
>>day I found this group!) but now here you are flirting with me anyway.
>>Yeah!!!!!!!!    (now, how to return the favor....)
>
>Am I allowed to flirt with you too? Pretty please?
>
>>Sandy				Proud, and Queer of it
>
>	-Nora
>-- 
>Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.

I would like to, at this time make a one time only bargain offer,
2 flirts for the price of three to the entire group: and guys,
be not shy, we can't have the girls (*major smileys*) doing all
of the work...
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:46:01 GMT

In article <3086@cs.rit.edu> nmw1638@cs.rit.edu (Nicolas M Williams) writes:

>Actually, I was thinking that since the word "bisexual" seems to carry so
>many stereotypes (among monosexuals), I could describe my sexuality to
>non-bi's as: "queer but not gay" a few mins before explaining that that is
>supposed to mean "bisexual."

This doesn't sound very informative in quantifying your sexuality.
Both "queer" and "gay" are political labels.  (Of course, so is
"bisexual," but "bisexual" carries a little more explicit information
about the type of your sexuality.)



-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:49:48 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

<in response to flirts from Peg and Tanaqui>

>I didn't announce my demuffining,(because I felt embarrassed that it
>had taken me so long to learn how to post.  I wanted to post the first
>day I found this group!) but now here you are flirting with me anyway.

Well *hello*!!

>Yeah!!!!!!!!    (now, how to return the favor....)

Oooh I'm sure we'll think of something ...

>In a class yesterday we were warned about the dangers of "excessive
>collaboration", and I just love dangerous things...
>Would you two *fine* ladies be interested in collaborating excessively
>with me...???

Hey, what about me?  Anything worth doing should be done to excess, and
I'm sure that includes, er, "collaboration" ...  And I'm pretty
dangerous - or would be if I had brains, so I'm told ...

>Sandy				Proud, and Queer of it

       >{8-)

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tori Amos
Keywords: beautiful talented pianist singer redhead
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:22:28 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr11.132024.18285@cs.hw.ac.uk> wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells) writes:
>P.S. My last posting to Soc.bi was from an article Cross-posted in Soc.motss - 
>I couldn't read Soc.bi then, Do I get my Flirting Package NOW ?? :-)

You're in Edinburgh?  You might even get a personal welcome-waggon if
you're lucky! :-)

G
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: red hair again?
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:39:50 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:

>btw- ellen, who wants in on the red-head hunt did neglect to mention
>that she herself is a *strawberry*blonde*!!!  yes, ellen, your secret
>is out!  

Oooh, did somebody say **strawberry blonde**???  <swoon>  I definitely
want in on whichever of the orgies it is that Ellen's going to be at,
and I want in on it *now*!!!  *Thank* you for sharing that with us, Peg
...

Sara       >{8-)
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Stereotypes and bisexuality (wasRe: Coming out to teachers...)
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:42:14 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) writes:

>I get sick of being told I'm not "really" bisexual because I am
>deciding to marry a man.  Sorry folks, but the person I happend to
>fall in love with and feel a spiritual bond with happens to have a
>penis.  I didn't order him that way, and it't not like I felt the same
>way for a woman and turned her down before because I wanted to fit the
>social "norm."  I have been called "just another breeder" by bi's as
>well as lesbians.  This shows really how stupid and quick to judge

Well I certainly don't hold that view, whatever the sex of a long-term
partner it doesn't make a bi person any less bi, however I *do* have a
problem with marriage - the heterosexual privilege angle does come into
it here I think; we can't marry motss partners, not in the eyes of the
"establishment" anyway.

In fact I have another problem with marriage, which is that I know it
isn't for me.  But that is another issue altogether.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Women are BLG, too! (was: Outing at the Oscars?)
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 03:51:46 GMT


Hey everyone!  (I'm Sherri, btw, not Steve).

I think John was using sarcasm on this one.  I hope most of us here realize
that both survivors and abusers come in both sexes.  Society at large is
very confused about it, of course, but I hope that we're more educated.

Most abusers are also self-identified heterosexuals, mind you, and most
of them have the spouse and children to 'prove' it <<more sarcasm>>, unless
they're priests, of course.

Sherri

p.s. Oh, and 'pedophilia' is a term that is generally not dependant on the
gender of either the abuser or the victim.  It refers to people who really
think they 'love' the children they fuck with so...*sigh*
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Outing at the Oscars? (Was: Why are you all so nice?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:20:18 GMT
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts

In article <1992Mar27.175240.9886@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:
[I rigorously edited this down]
>is it true that eddie murphy has been outed?

Ah, that's why he had such a cute servant in "Coming to America"! ;-)

>i remember him being *very* phobic at times.
>
>this topic is really important.  all of us who are out take risks,
>by choice.  but to be stymied by *other*les/bi/gays*!!!  let's
>just say i find this a tad (!) infuriating...

Absolutely. Hypocritism is awful.

>sigh...
>calming down now...
>diatribe over...
>peg

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/ How can you be so stupid if you're identical to me? -Robert Silverberg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: quinnb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: <None>
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:28:14 GMT

In article <3153@cs.rit.edu>, kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:
> OK, seeings how I made a BIG mistake with the dates, I have a remedy....I will
> have TWO get togethers!

YAY!!! 
>           or
>      June 5 - 7, 1992   (First weekend in June)

This would be good for me... but I would need a ride type-thing...
> 
> OK, so get those responses back, and I now return you to your normally
> scheduled flirting.

hmm...  I think this is my official de-muffining, so to all of you out there, 
I'm about 5'10", brown hair with red and gold highlights, (tho not visible much
until summer:) ).
and as for flirting... *HUG* sly smile ;) salicious wink, and slow caress of
small of back....

		-Brendan
-- 
******************************************************************************
* Disclaimer: The opinions *   Brendan E. Quinn KSC  * Questions are a burden* 
* expressed here are pure  *                         * to others, answers a  *
* Balderdash...            *          fnord?         * prison to oneself.    *
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From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: too perverse? (was Re: I am Muffin! I am INVINCIBLE!)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:24:16 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <20100@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:
>Apologies, I've been working all weekend (yech) and I'm shattered so I
>don't really have the energy for a really good flirt just now ...
>
>Sara

Hey folks, sounds like Sara could do with a group-flirt from *us* - she's
always been on the giving side for ages:  Sara, just lie back and relax...
<hug hug, smooch smooch>

Graham (for the gang)
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:03:17 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
>ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>>rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>Snuggling up to the entire newsgroup and looking up with wide,
>>>expectant eyes...
>>
>>Ohmigawd - eyes!  I *love* brown eyes...and green eyes...and blue eyes...
>>and grey ones and hazel ones 
>
>Mine are a little strange... a rather poetic lover of mine once called
>them "sea and sun". They're sea green with a golden ring just around
>the pupil...

Hey, mine are like that! Only, more of a blueish-greenish-mottled grey.
But then, the North Sea is like that...

>>(wink)(biting my upper lip slightly and looking away, then back, barely
>>grinning, so shy)
>(fluttering eyelashes at you)
>
>>ro
>	-Nora

Suggestively licking lips at both of you...


/jon
   _________________________________________________________________
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 / J.W.Harley@ncl.ac.uk \bi/  still be pure.      --Marc Chagall  // // //////
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From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: NELGBSA Conference -- What I did. (LONG)
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:52:49 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Ripoff University of Chicago

In article <1992Apr7.045428.10311@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <92091.180806SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>Loraine Hutchins, co-editor of "Bi Any Other Name", spoke wearing a
>>strap-on dildo and with her breasts exposed.  Her talk was inspirational
>>to bisexuals, tracing the development of the bisexual movement over the
>>last 15 years.
>
>i'll bet!!!  inspirational is *one* word for it!  hey, heath, when
>she spoke for us this past winter she brought *no* such neat toys/
>fashoin accessories, and kept all her clothes on!  i feel... i don't
>know, shall we say, shotchanged?  
>

Oh, well, maybe if Student Government had given us more $ for an
honorarium, we could have gotten the dildo, too.


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr7.185010.9792@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

>I didn't announce my demuffining,(because I felt embarrassed that it
>had taken me so long to learn how to post.  I wanted to post the first
>day I found this group!) but now here you are flirting with me anyway.
>Yeah!!!!!!!!    (now, how to return the favor....)

Am I allowed to flirt with you too? Pretty please?

>Sandy				Proud, and Queer of it

	-Nora
-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Knocking Celibacy
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:26:25 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr16.211321.20677@cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>The story so far...
>Ro Reid claimed that he was shy.

rl reid may have claimed shyness (perhaps in jest), but *he* never
claimed anything.  That's one poster I've noticed to be extremely
fastidious in the use of gender-specific pronouns.  *I*'ve no idea
what rl's sex is. How did you know?

G
PS My own guess is female, and the 'r' is for rebecca.  But then I
got Kay 100% wrong too :-)
From: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: How do you feel about Outing, a quick poll.
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:09:06 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Trinity College, Dublin.

In <1992Apr7.044816.27453@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>I've noticed many people posting that they are against outing no matter
>what.

Maybe I missed a few posts; I don't remember many people giving that
stance. A few maybe, but not many. In case people are wondering, I'm
not against outing in all cases. (And no, I don't want to waste time
trying to define where I draw the line on outing.) My contributions to
the "Outing at the Oscars" was mainly sparked because I disagreed with
the many of the arguments being used to out people.

>So, here's the question for people that say that they are against
>outing "no matter what":

The only thing I am absolutely certain about in life is that there are
no absolutes. (This, of course, applies to the preceeding sentence.) If
somebody says that they are against XYZ "no matter what" then I'd say
that they are (i) lying, (ii) haven't thought the issue through, or
(iii) a moron.

BTW, I like your hypothetical, far-fetched example. The fact that it is
real is what makes it effective. Hopefully, it will make some people
drop their "no matter what" stance.


<>I'd rather tempt people out of the closet than kick it down around
<>their wounded spirits.
<>--- STella (STella@xanadu.com)

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                            ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.      \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539  FAX: +353-1-772204  email: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie  \/
From: max@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Max Handelsman: liberal hippie subversive dude.)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: <None>
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:29:36 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: The Loonie Bin

In article <3130@cs.rit.edu>, kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:
> 
> Definately at least 4 here.  So that means that as of right now, we have the
> North Eat get together at RIT.  

	Fine with me.  After the middle of July, I won't be in the 
Northeast anymore, but you can bet I'll come back to NY on the next plane 
if this works out! 
 
> Proposed activities:  fondue (chocolate and cheese)
>                       back rubs
>                       front rubs
>                       side rubs
>                       ice cream sampling
>                       flirts in person
>                       what ever else you can come up with.

	Hmmm...now now, we don't want to fill up anyone's quota, do we?  We 
are a rather creative bunch (Let's see if we can borrow STella's doeskin 
whip...STella?)...I like honey the best, myself, although it's unbelievably 
messy unless you're clean shaven (I'm not).

> 
> Let me know if we really want to do this!
> 
	*Y*  *E*  *S*  *!*

	'nuff said.

Max Handelsman, Drew University     | "An it harm none, do what thou wilt."
MHANDELS@DREW.{DREW.EDU,BITNET}     | "Deesclaimer? We don' need no
MAX@DRYCAS.{CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU,BITNET} |  steenking deesclaimer!"
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Coming out to teachers...
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:47:16 GMT
	<1992Apr6.010303.24382@polari.com>
	<1992Apr6.203605.10407@amhux2.amherst.edu>
Organization: /u/mday/.organization


   twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

   > elf@polari.com writes:

   >[ Now how's that for wishy-washy?  Where are the numbers, the
   >  statistics?

   Where are ours?  It seems that we as bisexuals are frequently making
   such statements, to explain the diversity of activity and preferences
   within the bi community; I don't find this statement any more
   wishy-washy than a lot of the things said every day here.

Talk about damning with faint praise.  Don't you expect more from a
textbook than from a Usenet newsgroup?  I'd love it if people on the
net were more careful with citing sources and avoiding
proof-by-anecdote; I'd be horrified if all books sank to the level of
a typical newsgroup.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
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