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From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Subject: Need a Rack for a New Trooper
Originator: gerard@bunsen.netlabs.com
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:37:44 GMT

I just bought a New ISUZU Trooper, ( the new design) and need to
find a suitable rack. I was hoping that Thule or Yakima would have
the correct attachments.

I have called some of the local shops and nobody seems to know if
there are attachments available for the New Trooper. 
They are placing calls to Thule and Yakima.

Anybody in Netland have recommendations or know of suitable
racks for the New Trooper. 

gerard
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Baja Excursion
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:19:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <HRB500F2.92Dec10181559@beach.csulb.edu> hrb500f2@csulb.edu (michael salmon) writes:
>I'm planning on taking a 14 day trip to baja - 
>camping, and windsurfing along the way.
>Several friends have claimed Punta Chivato
>as a great destination.  Does anybody out there
>have any other "favorite spots" they would 
>care to share?  I'm going to spend most of my
>time trying to master the jibe-so I am after 
>plenty of wind, but relatively flat water.
>(My VW campler won't make i to Aruba.)
>
>Mike Salmon (hrb500f2@csulb.edu)


I have not actually been to Punta Chivato, though I did once drive most
of the way out there only to turn back as my drive shaft was 
flaking out.

THe road out to the point is about 17 miles long and is mostly washboard.
If you plan on staying out there a few days, it's probably worth it.

Slightly further south, there is some good sailing just inside
the entrance to the Bay of Conception. Take the road marked 'Punta Playa
Arena' down to the beach. There is a community of long-stay Canadians and
Oregonians who go there evry year. Camping is around $2.00 per night, but
there is no water there.

Sailing can be very good out in the channel as it receives the same wind as Punta
Chivato.

Jim Munro
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:52:20 GMT
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> The only other movie I can remember had Martin Short (I think) 
> getting blown out to sea.

Rick Moranis in Club Paradise.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Congrads Felix
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:28:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.155145.3789@cs.tulane.edu>, Rick Boebel <boebel@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu> writes:
> I just got my new issue of SE Boardsailor (actually a new name
> that escapes me) and whose name jumps out at me but that net
> god Felix (and judge of wind speed 8^)  ).  He's listed twice
> as the Mid-Atlantic leader in the Mistral-Tutor series in the
> sport class.

Net god? What is that? Oh, I guess I have too many opinions :-)
Anyway, thanks Rick. 

> BTW, This listing was as of mid Sept., how'd you finish Felix?

I'm happy since it may mean getting a free trip to the bahamas. The
last info I got had me in third place by a slim margin off first. Since
there are three races not yet accounted for I'm still hopeful. If I don't
get it no big deal. I've been more interested in racing USWA open fleet 
and not Tudor/Mistral sports fleet anyways. My USWA points are being used
in the Tudor Open Sports fleet.

-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera)
Subject: Windsurfing in the Movies (was Re:How does one become a famous writer?)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:37:56 GMT
Organization: Interface & Control Systems, Inc., Melbourne FL

In article <1992Dec16.212449.13413@kronos.com> dan@kronos.com (Dan Driscoll) writes:
>Heck, I'm bored. Let's name all the movies ever made (not WS videos) that 
>contain windsurfing themes or scenes. I know there is one in my local video
>store that is actually a movie with a plot and actors and is set in Australia.
>Has anyone seen it? Is it really bad like the WS videos, coming across like
>a cheap porno? I have to bring myself to rent it some day, if I can get past
>my revulsion of the picture of the WS w/ teak booms on the cover. The only
>other movie I can remember had Martin Short (I think) getting blown out to sea.
>
>
>-dan@kronos.com
>

Dan,
	The first picture you mentioned is "Windrider". It is in
	Australia, and stars the now (U.S.) famous Nicole Kidman (sp?
	sorry if I messed that up, mates)  If you have an open mind,
	you'll enjoy the film.  The plot is kind of weak, but there are
	some parts worth mentioning......

	P.C., the main character is trying to pull off a loop during a
	competition, that's pretty cool.  His father owns some high tech
	company, so he gets to use those resources to design/build his
	equipment.  I remember one short scene where he is playing a
	video game on a computer screen with someone else,  but it's a
	*WINDSURFING* game!! Kind of 2-dimensional, like Mario Bros.,
	but you control a windsurfer going over waves, and tim your
	jumps accordingly.  From what I saw, it looked cool; I'd like to
	know more about it. Any of you guys from down-under play this
	game? Or was just something done for the movie?

	Like I said, pop the tape in when you have nothing better to do,
	and don't expect too much, then you'll enjoy it.  If not, maybe
	you'll just like the scenes where Nicole is naked :-)

	The second film you mentioned is "Club Paradise" I believe,
	starring Robin Williams.  There is a real short scene where Rick
	Moranis takes out a sailboard on the calm waters of this island.
	Next thing, they're showing Robby Naish tearing up the pipeline
	or something (making you think it's still Moranis), and you hear 
	him screaming. Pretty funny stuff.

	Can anybody think of any more?

Pat
 'P19'

 One more month until the Tudor/Mistral Finals!!!
From: moni@siemens.com. (Monica Hutchins)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: sandy hook, NJ
Summary: access to Sandy Hook, NJ?
Keywords: sandy hook, NJ
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:55:21 GMT
Distribution: nj



First, I apologize to all non-locals who had to read this message,
despite my setting the distribution.  I tried mailing to the local 
"net gods" without success.

Does anyone know the condition of Sandy Hook (NJ)? Did parking lot "C"
survive the storm?  Is it accessible?

If the answer to the above is "no", is 13th street OK? Any access
problems?

Thanks,
moni
mhutchins@siemens.siemens.com


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: sca@gese.ge14.mdadv.gv.at (Petzi Schweda)
Subject: Re: BIC Presto and other course slalom boards
Originator: sca@gese0n.ge14.mdadv.gv.at
Organization: MD-ADV, Vienna, Austria
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:08:52 GMT


In article <1992Dec19.194759.670@fri.cri.nz>, pappss@fri.cri.nz writes:
|> BIC's are not the fastest boards in the world, and maybe not the easiest to 
|> jibe, but they're cheap, and the big deciding factor, they are incredibly 
|> durable.

I have an Astro Rock and an Alto for myself (and good connections to BIC-Austria) and 
can fully agree to this !
But slalomboards have to be a) fast b) fast c) fast and d) sold after a couple of month ...
That's the time we live in ...
As you can see from my boardlist, I (currently) refuse to join this technomania ...
 
|> I was on my Adagio today, maxed out on a 5.0, with only the fin in the water.
... technomania aside, try to get your feet on a 270 F2 Sputink (I did so on a good Adagio-day),
and you'l experience unbelieveable things (I did too) ...

hi, Petzi

PS: it's cheaper repairing a broken finnbox than buying a new 250 US$ - technomania finn ...
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> >Ken "let's get rid of the California central valley" Poulton
> 
> Hey, without the central valley, the DELTA wouldn't blow ! NO GOOD !

You're right, of course.  What we need is to get rid of the central
valley during the winter months.  Alternatively, pushing the Santa Cruz
mountains up another 8000 feet would work pretty well for providing
local skiing.


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com

"Windsurfing makes skiing look like a getto sport."
				    	-- Moe Dixon
From: srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Mast stiffness measurement
Keywords: MCS, DIN, mast stiffness
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:26:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: speedsail

After a couple of years of windsurfing, I feel that I understand
most of what I need to know about boards, sails and even fins.
But, I still feel that I'm in the dark when it comes to masts.
I would appreciate it if those of you with more experience and
understanding in this area would answer any of the following
questions:

I've seen masts advertised as 6.6 or 7.5 DIN, but I don't have a
clue what that translates to.  What does the DIN measurement mean?

Some of the advertised masts have an MCS number like 25 or 30 and
some don't.  What does the MCS measurement mean?

How is the MCS number related to the DIN number?

How can I figure out what the stiffness is of my current fiberglass
masts that came with my O'Brien and F2 boards?

What is the difference in behavior between fiberglass, epoxy,
aluminum and carbon fiber masts?  Obviously fiberglass is likely
to be the heaviest and carbon fiber the lightest, but what other
differences should I expect?

How can I tell if a mast is constant curve or flex top?

Are there any other advantages of a 2-piece mast over a 1-piece mast
besides being able to put it inside my car instead of on top?

Once I understand the answers to all of these questions, is there
anything else that is important for me to understand about masts?

Thanks for any and all responses.

---

Scott R. Nelson
Sun Microsystems

F2 Comet (10'6"), 2 12' O'Brien boards, 9 sails 3.6 through 8.5,
3 old fiberglass masts (and a partridge in a pear tree...)
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:49:59 GMT
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
> 
> Anyway, I really liked your first article, but you haven't quite matched
> that one lately........

I remember stories I enjoyed immensely and ones not quite as much.  I 
think this last one ranks up there with the best.  I really enjoyed it.
Can you send the stories to Windsurf Magazine and Southeast Boardsailor, 
or are you under agreement with Westcoast until you receive a release?

tom.
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:36:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Ken Berger writes:
>You guys really should try snowboarding during the winter.  It's
>
Sounds like fun, but 4-6 hrs druve time in off times each way, $40 lift 
tickets, $100 Hotel charge,......

No thanks

>The other thing I wanted to mention is that NOBODY sails in "over 40
>knots" with a 5.1.
>
If you are refering to me, I agree and I never said I did.  I said:
>My estimate for the wind from Noon to ~1:30 was 25-30 knots gusting over
>35 with some lulls that were under 20.  I started to come in at 1:20
>as the lulls were getting bigger and I figured it would die or kick in
>and my arms were dead from the pumping to hold-on-for-dear-life
>sailing!  After derigging and warming up the wind kicked in another
>notch more (25-35 knots?).  I was pooped and went home.
>
I was out on a 5.1 on a sinker and just survived the gusts over 30.  I didn't
go back out when it got stronger.  Weather reports from several sources
said 50 MPH gusts (40 knots) so my estimate was pretty good.  I use
spray blowing off the swells (liquid smoke) for wind over 40 knots, BTW.

>I should say that the SW Race 5.1 with the proper mast sure works
>well!  Bruce Peterson said the 4.6 was designed for 20-40 knots so I
>guess the 5.1 for my size does pretty well in that range also.
>John from ASD (co-Owner) seemed amazed that I could even sail a 5.1 in
>all that wind.
>
John is 6'2" - 6'4" and sails Waddel sails.

>It was raining hard while I changed inside my warm van, but i saw
>sleep-head Matts car and heard he was out on his 4.2.  I think that
>would have been the right size for me if i were using a more floaty
>board.

And I would have gone to my 3.9 when Matt was out.  He reported being
very overpowered, too much board, fin and sail but he didn't rig down
for 3 hrs!  I've sailed with Matt when we're both overpowered.  Once I was
on my 4.5 and just surviving and Matt was on his 4.7 (he only weighs ~165
mostly muscle) and when we came in he didn't have skin on his hands where
there used to be calouses!  He was a bloody mess!

Anyway, I'd be careful with saying "nobody does" anything.  There was some
guy out on that day with an old BIC, 50lb type windsurfer!  He didn't
get very far upwind off the beach.....But he was a navigation obsticle.


>Ken
>----------
>

Kirk out
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:01:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec15.200451.15306@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, 
andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:

|> >However, having been compared (indirectly if you wish) to Eric
|> >Sanford, I am giving in to a strong urge to defend myself.  My stories
|> 
|> I mostly dislike E.S.  Luigi, you write better.

(Blush) (blush) (pretend to blush)  This is the REAL motivation
for writing---sincere compliments.

|> Take your set of stories.  Wrap it in a pointless plot that is a metaphor
|> for the mindless jibe, reach, jibe,... that is windsurfing.  Add some
|> people, some events, maybe even some real life.  You have a novel.
|> Try to get it read by publishers.  Take chapters and peddle them to
|> magazines.
|> 
|> I think that if nothing else you'll love the experience since you
|> clearly love to write.  But getting a book published is really hard.
|> Getting good writing published in sports magazines on the basis of
|> good writing is a self defeating concept.
|> 
|> Take the Italian tourist and make him fade into and out of the novel
|> in many places.

Hey, you are giving my plot away!
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BIC Presto and other course slalom boards
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:22:58 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <4310556@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>Also, lightweights plane in a knats fart on lightweight epoxy boards so they
>can get a good jump on us heavier folks.

HA HA

Isn't it sweet thought when you're able to sail on the same size
board and sail as your smaller friends and STILL pass them?
Can you say "powered?"

I love it when that happens.


Ken
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>I can't avoid writing about misfortunes because when everything goes
>well there is little to write about.  Maybe I had a lot of fun, but
>that would look utterly boring on paper.  The hint, however, is
>useful.  Perhaps there are other interesting things to write about.
>
>Luigi
----------

I think humor and satire has a long tradition in the US and alot of us
enjoy it.  I'd suggest your style tends more towards that of
Dave Berry rather than Eric Staford.  The only way to get good at anything
is to practice, this is a good forum, and my "J" key works well when you
occasionally hit a sleeper.

Kirk out
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:47:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

In rec.windsurfing, kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
> 
> Ken "we need more new snow" Berger

Come to Colorado.
From: wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:35:34 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>At 9:00 AM on Friday Dec. 4 the gradient was 7.0.
>
>The Dalles To Portland barometric pressure difference was .35 inches.
>
>Unfortunately the temperature in Portland was 36 degrees.
>
>I stopped by on the way to work just to look at the conditions.  On sections
>of the river there was constant blowing spray.  As impressive as the river
>looked the highest wind speed I could read on the shore was a little over
>40 MPH (with a good quality wind meter) before my hands froze.

It is very common for wind readings on shore at Rooster Rock to be MUCH 
less than what they really are.  If you have ever done the down wind run
from Dalton Point to Rooster Rock on a 3.5 or smaller sail you know that the 
strong wind switches from one side of the river to the other.  When you leave
Dalton the strong wind is usually on the Oregon side and stays that way until 
you reach the sand island about 1/2 way down.  There are places on the 
Washington side where you cannot sail a short board.  If you fall in near
the wind line and get washed next to shore on the Washington side it can 
take a long time to get a waterstart.  

By the time you reach Rooster Rock the strong wind has shifted to the 
Washington side.  I have seen days when there was a one to one and a half
meter difference from one side of the river to the other.  The wind will
also be much stronger at Rooster Rock that it was at Dalton Point.

I never use a wind meter because it will almost always lie.  The best way
is to talk to someone who is comming in or watch the amount of sideways
spray that is comming off the waves.  Even a little sideways spray on
East wind meeans 3.5 or less.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: How does one become a famous writer?
Summary: Just my humble and honest opinions. :-)
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:41:59 GMT

In article <1g8qtkINN7co@agate.berkeley.edu> luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato) writes:
>OK, so, I have been writing these windsurfing reports---the ones I
>post to this group---and I collect them in a booklet called `Gone with
>the Windsurf', subtitled `The Diary of an Urban Sailor'.  I give
>copies out to friends and they all like it (well, they say they like
>it---maybe they are all too polite).  Now, what's the next step?  I
>have sent a copy of `Gone with the Windsurf' to West Coast Windsurfing
>about two months ago---I even included a SASE---but haven't heard from
>them yet.  Does any of you have some connection with a magazine, and
>would perhaps be able to introduce me?  I need an agent.  Thanks  --Luigi

It takes ages for magazines to reply to letters that you send them. The
least you will get is their author's guidelines.

Anyway, I really liked your first article, but you haven't quite matched
that one lately. I still enjoy reading the reports, but I'm not sure that
they are of professional quality. Keep writing, experiment with your style
and try to find new things to write about. Reading about about failing
jibes and misfortunes may be fun once or twice, but it gets old pretty
soon.

To put all this into perspective, I have to tell you that enjoyed the
Eric Sanford articles in Windsurfing for a few months and then I got
the feeling that he didn't have anything new to write about.

I guess I get bored very quickly...

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:22:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Wind Speeds (was Re: More wind tomorrow?)
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> >You guys really should try snowboarding during the winter.  It's
>
> Sounds like fun, but 4-6 hrs druve time in off times each way, $40 lift 
> tickets, $100 Hotel charge,......
> 
> No thanks

Yeah, and some folks complain about a $4 entrance fee at Coyote. (Not
you, Kirk.)

Even at $100/day (lift, food, shared lodging), skiing or snowboarding is
cheaper than windsurfing because there's so much less equipment.  A full
quiver is good skis and rock skis.  You can buy all new near-race
equipment for $1500.  That only buys you one new board and one sail in
windsurfing. 

The only real impediment to me is the 4-5 hours driving time - it kind
of makes it hard to take off for an afternoon session.  :-)


Ken "let's get rid of the California central valley" Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
From: colas@opossum.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Experiences with Ecstasy?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:53:57 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <1992Dec17.223744.7682@sco.com>, soheilz@sco.COM (Soheil Zahedi)
writes:
> Anybody out there have any experience with Mistral's Ecstasy?

I tried it twice, and decided to buy one... And the shop just phoned me it has
arrived today! hurray! :-)

> -What types of conditions you've sailed it in.
> -What sail sizes you've used on it.

small onshore waves (3'), 4.5m2
strong gusty wind (4.2) chop.

> -Waves? Jumps?

no jumps. But it handles waves beautifully, and most importantly sanely.
It is VERY sane, and goes back well upwind, which is important for backside
surfailing.

I have been using custom wave boards for 10 years now (7'3", 7'6", 8'0" and
8'4"), but I was hooked on this one. granted you have to push a bit more to
make it turn than a true wave board, and it has less nose scoop, so you might
get into trouble in very steep faces, but I found that with some waveriding
ability, you are very well able to adapt to it, and the push you make in your
turns translate VERY efficiently into added speed, allowing you a more dynamic
lip-bashing...  of course the weight I accumulated in the last years might
alterate my judging :-) (I am now 200lbs).

Lots of people here get hooked to it. We do not have big waves however here, so
this may help, but a friend tried one while visiting hawaii, and kept it!

The 93 model seems to have a better non-skid surface than the 92, and they
claim to have moved back the widest point a bit...

I didnt test it in extreme conditions, but I intend to!

best advice: try it, that one of the main advantages of production boards...

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool, Gwm, KoalaBus
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: soheilz@sco.COM (Soheil Zahedi)
Subject: Experiences with Ecstasy?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:37:44 GMT




Howdy,

Anybody out there have any experience with Mistral's Ecstasy?

I'm looking very closely at this board, and haven't gotten a
chance to ride it yet.  If anybody owns it and/or has gotten
a chance to ride one, I'd like to hear what you thought of it:

-What types of conditions you've sailed it in.
-What sail sizes you've used on it.
-What fins you've used on it.
-Waves? Jumps?
-Whether you've broken one
-Whatever.
-etc.

ThanksAbunch

-Soheil

From: rowen@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Robert Owen)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 23:20:12 GMT
Subject: Re: weather radio recommendations?
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA