From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Picking and Choosing our References
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:12:15 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <95784@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
> In article <12214@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <95610@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
# ##What if a cabal of heterosexist pigs controls the major companies
# ##(including the banks, which might be used to obtain small business loans)
# ##in a small town. The town is small enough for everyone to know something
# ##about everyone else's sexual orientations. The big cheeses decide to
# ##prohibit hiring gays, or giving them loans, for that matter.
# 
# #Yes, but does this happen?
# 
# It's amazing how someone like you who argues so passionately about
# legal IDEALS, suddenly turns to pragmatism when it is to your benefit.

So you are admitting that your example is nonsense.  Thank you.

# #And why don't the homosexuals in town do what most racial minorities
# #have always done when confronted with these problems: stand together? 
# #In the Asian community, the tradition of the rotating credit association
# #played a major role in capitalizing small businesses.
# 
# Well, exactly that IS happening nowadays. There are homosexual business
# cooperatives in Boston today, at least.

So you shouldn't need an antidiscrimination law to solve the 
hypothetical problem you describe.

# ##It would be nice to have a government which would stand up for individual
# ##rights over group rights for a change.
# 
# #What about my individual right to decide who to rent to?
# 
# Wasn't it you who said, "If you want personal freedom, you've got to
# permit the freedoms of others" ?

I'm willing.  You want freedom to engage in sex that I find 
unpleasant.  Fine.  No objection from me.  Grant me the same
freedom to express my disapproval by not associating with you.

# #you just claimed that pedophilia (adults having sex with children)
# #isn't child molestation.  Why make that distinction, if not to 
# #defend pedophiles?
# 
# Pedophilia is NOT adults having sex with children. Pedophilia is
# adults WANTING to have sex with children. I think that is what Jeff
# Dauber meant by "I defend pedophiles." Allow people to have their
# sexual orientations, just don't support expressions of these actions,
# like child molestation, which have harmful impact.
# 
# kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University,

So there's no good reason to refuse to hire a guy wearing a NAMBLA
T-shirt at a day care center -- where he may be alone with some of
the kids for extended periods of time.  I mean, he hasn't DONE 
anything yet, right? :-)

Please, take your argument to Gov. Weld.  Let him hear it.  I
think a lot of Gov. Weld (surprise, surprise).  I'm sure that you
will cause him to rethink his position.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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