From: mark@cs.UAlberta.CA (Mark Green)
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:17:59 GMT

In article <92289.153826SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.172154.21559@cs.UAlberta.CA>, mark@cs.UAlberta.CA (Mark
>Green) says:
>>
>>In article <Bw4zuK.A7F@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T   )
>>Wei
>>writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct14.152915.25211@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard
>>Ottolini) writes:
>>>>Have you lived in China?  I have and was a racial minority there and felt
>>>>the sting of prejudice.  Many people assumed I was a dumb tourist
>>>>and wouldn't understand what they were saying behind my back.
>>>
>>>Sure I've lived in China.. I was born there and I've lived there long enough
>>>to speak the language fluently.. As for racism, I didn't see a thing, and
>>>I lived in MANCHURIA-a region that was traditionally never fully under
>>>Han control.. As a matter of fact, I'm partly Manchu myself
>>>
>>
>>Of course you didn't see any racism, you're chinese.  There is no
>
> So, all American didn't see any racism ???
>
>>racism against chinese in China, but this is definitely not the case for
>
> If there were, against whom?

Any foreigner. Here's a couple of examples for you:

1) Black students studying at chinese universities.  There is a considerable
   amount of racial tension between chinese students and black students.
   This has even resulted in riots at several universities.  I have seen
   these problems several times when I have been teaching in China.

2) Foreigners that work in China.  Talk to any foreigner teacher at a
   Chinese university.  Teaching in China is a wonderful experience, well
   worth doing, but you will run into many forms of racial discrimination.

>
>>non-chinese people.  Your statement about no racism in China is the
>>same as a white person in North America saying there is no racism in
>>North America, you are just not in a position to experience it.  A member
>>of the majority race is very rarely in a position to experience racism
>>in their own country, so they often think it doesn't exist.  When someone
>>from another race claims that racism exists, they get very upset for
>>two reasons:
>>
>>1) They've never seen racism, so they don't believe the claim
>>
>>2) Indirectly they are being critized.
>>
>
> This is absolutely ridiculous! Since we have this problem here, everyone
> should have this problem too. What a logic!!  _0)
>

No that's not what I said, read what I said carefully.  You should
calm down and read what is said before you respond.  Not all white's
are out to bash China.  After all why would I spend several months
a year in China, if I didn't like the country.  I certainly don't
get paid for it.

>  If you read dtwei's post carefully, you will find he is speeking as a
>  minority Chinese, not the majority.
>
>  I am also a Chinese with a minority ethnic background. I hardly experienced
>  any racial discrimnation in China. Point your finger to other won't solve
>  you own problem.

If you read carefully, you will see that I am agreeing with both you
and dtwei.  I don't doubt that you never experienced racism in China.
But, as minority Chinese you weren't in a position to experience it.  Just
as I'm not in a position to experience racism against chinese in Canada.
You should spend some time with a foreigner in China and see what their
experiences are.

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