HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Any comment on output device....
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:58:18 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
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In article <B0606B59FEDF000284@EGFRCUVX>, SABRY@SHEBIN.EG writes:
>Hello ALL......
>please, To you out from device type RF71....ok

>Please, If you have any comments about this data.
>I'll be happy to know it......
>also,Our system MICROVAX 3400 with 12.00MB,VMS V5.2-1...ok
>with all best wishes.....................

I've answered a number of your questions via e-mail.  However, this post
doesn't even contain anything approximating a coherent question.

Please ask your employer to hire an interpreter.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (TheLrdLovsAHngn)
Subject: 9 Levels of VMS?
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:37:14 GMT

In Message-ID: <1992Dec11.165502.1@bronco.fnal.gov>


Rick Columbo writes:

	2) Hide said directories nine levels down.  You'll need a
	   logical to see them yourself, but the casual user won't
	   know to look.  I'm not sure if Analyze will spot this though.


What I am wondering is, how can you put something 9 levels down?
As far as I know, VMS will only let you create up to 7 levels of
subdirectories?  Is there a way to get 9 levels?  And if so, how?
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From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: What should be in login.com?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:44:16 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
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In article <1992Dec16.104051.333@csghsg5a.bitnet>
92636828s@csghsg5a.bitnet writes:

:What should be included in login.com besides shortcuts for 
:Transferprotocols (ZModem etc.) ?

Anything and everything you feel necessary to make your system useful.
Pointers to personal .COM files are really nice to have.  

						...Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: huber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Sepp Huber, CERN -4439,-6712)
Subject: Re: LN03 Queues on TCP/IP LINES
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.044048.21399@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes...
>In article <mBgmVB8w164w@jwt.UUCP>, bbs-comarow@jwt.UUCP (Bob Comarow) writes:
>>A while ago I asked if anyone knew about getting
>>VMS queues on terminal servers working in a network
>>that BANS LAT.  (Don't ask why.).  No one responded.

I don't want to start again a war on "Why ban LAT in an environment supporting 
VMS?" question; 
but in a Telnet, i.e. TCP/IP environment, the usual printer server/client 
protocol is LPD/LPR, and LPR clients are available for VMS as well.
The question remains, where are the "Telnet" terminal/printer servers 
implemnting LPD daemons ?
At least one is providing exactly that, at the moment to my knowledge only in a 
2 port printserver: Lantronix EPS1, supporting at the same time LAT,LPR/LPD,
Novell IPX,Appletalk.
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From: DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Heribert Dahms)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Need ethernet address from C on Vaxstations
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:27:16 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG (Dept. of Mechanical Engineering)
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In <1gq9ftINNh3h@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:

[...]
> 	system("mcr cnp show known line char to <file>")
Pardon, should be:
 	system("mcr ncp show known line char to <file>")


Thanks, Heribert (dahms@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de)
From: ACSJCE@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU ("Jobin C. Ephrem")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: The Vax storage facility
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Hi,
	About five messages back there was an interesting mail message about 
a VAX SW storage facility. The message was accidentally erased before I 
could read all of it. If anyone could be kind enough to forward the message
I would highly appreciate it.

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From: bhoos@radarnet.hac.com (Bijan Hooshnam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VMS on HP terminal
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:27:25 GMT
Reply-To: bhoos@radarnet.hac.com (Bijan Hooshnam)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company, Group Systems Group, Fullerton, Ca.

I'm doing some VMS work on an HP 700/94 terminal.  I cannot use the EVE
editor to it's fullest extent because this terminal has no DO key.  I
could define another key, but I need the DO key to invoke the define
command (as with any other command).  Could someone out there give me some
tips on how to get around this?  Perhaps there is a way from outside the
editor ,i.e., at the operating system level to define a key.
From: 9118187@ul.ie
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Looking for ANY useful VMS utility program...
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:43:13 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


Why has'nt anyone posted any good programs to this folder lately?

I'm interested in obtaining any good file and directory management 
programs (eg. cswing). We're restricted here as we cannot FTP to other 
sites.

******************************************************************************
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*   Limerick                          *         /|                           *
*   Ireland.                          *         / \                          *
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From: mjh@dmu.ac.uk (Mike Howarth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Omen technology Zmodem for VMS - help need with Installation.
Keywords: zmodem,rz,sz,vms
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:49:28 GMT
Organization: De Montfort University Milton Keynes, UK.

Please - I am haveing trouble installing a copy of the Omen technology
rzsz9103.

The system I have a problem with is a VAXStation 2000 (no laughing please -
she's a very sensitive little system !!!! :-) ) running MicroVMS V4.4.

I recently downloaded the rzsz9103.TLB and .INF files and followed the
instructions, however, both rz and sz appear to be trying to find another
port to that which they are run on (currently _TTA2:).  The programs both
just sit until timeout and then complain that the device is not installed !!
Maybe I am doing something silly, or there is a simple symbol to set but I
can't see it in the documentation.

The .TLB file has the following contents :
EXTRACT_TLB^COM
INIT^COM
MAKE_TLB^COM
RZ#EXE#512
RZ^DOC
SZ#EXE#512
SZ^DOC
Is that all there ??

Anybody out there know the answer please - or where I could download an
alternative version/vendor copy of Zmodem ?


Thanks in advance.


Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: brent@uwovax.uwo.ca (Brent Sterner)
Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX V6.0 Postscript press release...
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:48:51 GMT

   Some time in early December, "Paul" posted a PostScript file outlining
   OpenVMS VAX V6.0.  I rediscovered it today; it did not print on our ps
   printer.  (I had to prefix the file with %! to prevent our printer
   simply printing the file as text.)

   Could the author/poster possibly come up with plaintext of this article?
   Thanks.  b.

>This is a color PostScript. version of a press release announcing
>OpenVMS VAX V6.0.
>
>Paul
>
>%{appledict version #71 0
>%%EndComments
>%%BeginProcSet: "(AppleDict md)" 71 0
>/lettertray {} def
>statusdict begin product end (ScriptPrinter) anchorsearch {pop userdict/ok true put}if pop
>statusdict begin product end (Colormate PS) anchorsearch {pop userdict/ok true put}if pop
>%%EndProcSet
>%!PS-Adobe-2.0
>%%Title: DIGITAL ANNOUNCES PLANSI

	< balance of the file deleted >
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From: DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Heribert Dahms)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Need ethernet address from C on Vaxstations
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:22:21 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG (Dept. of Mechanical Engineering)
Distribution: world
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In <1992Dec17.145107.29493@crd.ge.com> jacobson@holland.crd.ge.com writes:

> 
> I need a C program which will enable me to obtain the ethernet address
> of a VaxStation 3100/4000 running VMS 5.4 and DECnet. Any assistance would
> be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Steve Jacobson "jacobson@crd.ge.com"
> GE Corporate Research and Development
> 518-387-6950

Do you want the hardware address (08-00-2B-xx-xx-xx) ?
Do you want a string or binary value?
Are you experienced with $QIO calls?
If not, you can do
	system("mcr cnp show known line char to <file>")
and then read the file looking for "Hardware address ="
but be warned as the format can change in the future!


Thanks, Heribert (dahms@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de)
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How do you RUN a program with parameters?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:36:43 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec12.222644.9168@Posse.UWyo.Edu>, TWTICK@corral.uwyo.edu (Tom Wilson) writes:
=
=
=In article <1992Dec12.151824.8561@sobeco.com>, jpichett@sobeco.com (Jacques-Bertrand Pichette) said:
=[ suggestions removed ]
=
=> >People using other languages than C will have to use the RTL routine
=> >LIB$GET_FOREIGN !
=If you want to return the arguments (argv's), use lib$get_symbol instead of
=lib$get_foreign.

That works only for batch jobs and command procedures, unless you've defined
the symbols through which you want to pass the parameters to the image.  Almost
certainly not what the original querant wanted, and absolutely nothing to do
with any situation in which if might be appropriate to use LIB$GET_FOREIGN.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: kjb@calmasd.prime.com (Ken Brucker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:48:36 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego CA

In article <1992Dec14.110305.2934@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>, NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk) writes:
> Hi There,
> 
> I am looking for a Vms MOVE command (I'ld prefer a fully Vms command which
> allows /LOG, /CONFIRM, /EXCLUDE etc. qualifiers).
> 
> I haven't seen anything like it yet, so I wrote my own (in DCL :-{), but
> I can't get it working the way I want it to.
> 
> If anybody knows where to find such a program, please let me know at
> nl0242t@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl
> 
> Thanx in advance,
> Oscar.

As Ehud mentioned, the RENAME command will work in most instances.  However if
you are moving the files to a different disk, then RENAME will not work.  You
could use BACKUP with the /DELETE qualifier for these cases.

Ken

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: fairfield@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: Not translating lexicals in symbols
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:27:26 GMT

In article <1gokvoINNik@gap.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.123301.20677@yang.earlham.edu>, alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes:
> =I would like to have a symbol that has a lexical in it, but I don't want the
> =lexical to be translated until the symbol is used.  For instance. make a symbol
> =out of:
> =
> =     dir/since="''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"

[...]

> To get the symbol you think you want:
> $ DD == "DIR/SINCE="""+"'"+"'"+"F$CVTIME(,""ABSOLUTE"",)-10"""
> $ SHOW SYM DD
>   DD == "DIR/SINCE="''F$CVTIME(,"ABSOLUTE",)-10""
> $ 'DD TMP.TMP;
> Directory $1$DIA0:[CARL]
> 
> TMP.TMP;21                1/3       1992-12-16 17:23:10.32  (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)
> 
> Total of 1 file, 1/3 blocks.

    Good solution, but awkward to use in the sense of needing the leading 
apostrophe. I started a similar thread back in September wrt defining a
symbol that attaches to a subprocess' parent.  In the end I found doing
the lexical evaluation and ATTACH in a command file, and defining my
symbol to execute the file, was simple and reliable.  I suggest this
problem might be solved best with a command file as well...(1 line; 2 if
you comment it; 3 if you insist on including EXIT).

    	-Ken
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman)
Subject: Re: VAX 11/750 and InfoServer 100
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:03:35 GMT

cmelaro@loyola.edu (Chris Melaro) writes:


>	We have just recently recieved a 11/750 with no documentation.  I would
>like to be able to boot it from our InfoServer in order to upgrade to a newer
>version of VMS.
>	I know that on our VAX 6310, we are able to do this with a command
>similar to:
>		BOOT/XMI:A/R5:E0000100 EXA0

>	If anyone out there knows how to do the equivalent on a 11/750, or has any
>advice, it would be greatly appreciated.

    I hope I'm wrong, but my memories of our now 5-years-departed VAX
11/750 is that there is a board (the CPU board --- there was more than
one, as I recall) with sockets for four boot ROM's --- so you could boot
from neat devices like the RM80, an RA81, the TU58 (yucch), and so on.
Unless DEC retrofitted something (I really hope I'm wrong), there is no
boot ROM for network boots.
    Please, somebody prove me wrong.
						Joe Gurman
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: $QIO: What happens within?
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:15:06 GMT


In article <1992Dec14.220506.963@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
|>
|>For the specific question re the mailbox driver, writes are (in all versions of
|>VMS that I've looked at) buffered I/O.  This means that $QIO (both $QIO and
|>$QIOW, by the way) grabs a copy of your buffer before the procedure call
|>returns to you, whether or not the write has actually completed yet. 

This is true, but there is no architectural guarantee that this will always be
the case.  A device driver, even for buffered I/O, is not absolutely required
to make the copy of the user's buffer in the FDT routines that run during the
$QIO call, although this is in fact the most convenient place and time to do
the copy.  For pseudo-devices, it is possible to code things such that no
intermediate buffer is needed at all.

It is not safe to write code that depends on undocumented internal behavior of
a device driver.  Such things can change at the blink of an eye.

--PSW
From: JIMKIRK@corral.uwyo.edu (Jim Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Plotters and Queues
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:26:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Somebody (who doesn't give a clue as to who he/she is) asks about
conecting an HP plotter.

Here's what I do with our 8800 to which the plotter is connected via one
of the serial ports of a DMB-32 --

$ DEFINE/FORM HP36 23/MARGIN=(BOTTOM=0)/NOTRUNCATE/NOWRAP-
        /DESCRIPTION="HP plotter paper, 36-inch"
$ DEFINE/FORM HP24 24/MARGIN=(BOTTOM=0)/NOTRUNCATE/NOWRAP-
        /DESCRIPTION="HP plotter paper, 24-inch"
$ DEFINE/FORM HP11 25/MARGIN=(BOTTOM=0)/NOTRUNCATE/NOWRAP-
        /DESCRIPTION="HP plotter paper, 11-inch"
$!
$!  Set up port and queue for HP plotter.
$!
$ SET TERMINAL TXA2:/PERMANENT/DEVICE_TYPE=UNKNOWN/LOWERCASE/NOBROADCAST-
      /NOTAB/FORM/SPEED=19200/WIDTH=511/NOMODEM/TTSYNC/NOWRAP/NOTYPE_AHEAD
$ SET PROT=(S:RWLP,O,G,W)/DEVICE TXA2:
$ SET DEVICE TXA2:/SPOOLED=(HP_PLOT)
$ INIT/QUEUE/NOSTART/ON=OUTLAW::TXA2/SEP=(NOBURST,NOFLAG,NOTRAIL,NORESET)-
      /DEFAULT=(NOBURST,NOFEED,NOFLAG,NOTRAIL,FORM=HP36)/FORM=HP36-
      /NORECORD_BLOCKING/DEVICE=TERMINAL  HP_PLOT


We are running VMS 5.5-1 currently.  When I tried to get this thing
working, it was sheer hell.  VMS simply does not support the concept of
a plotter.  For example, if you do a STOP/QUEUE/REQUEUE, it thinks it
is a printer, and will re-start in the middle of the file.  I still haven't
figured out how to prevent that.  It makes requeueing futile.

The buffer overflow is probably because the port is missing the X-OFF
from the plotter, or the plotter is not configured to send it; else if
you're using CTS signalling, the port isn't set up for it.  I don't have
the RS-232 pin numbers memorized; check that you have data going both
ways (if using X-ON/X-OFF) and/or CTS (if set for that).

You may have to hook up a monitor to get it all figured out.  We did
(many times).

Good luck!

Jim Kirkpatrick     jimkirk@corral.uwyo.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson)
Subject: Re: xv on vms?
Reply-To: dyson@sunfish.Physics.UIowa.EDU
Organization: Department of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:17:29 GMT

In article <Bz3wK9.DF0@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
> In article <11DEC199207382409@heechee.meediv.lanl.gov>,
> whitfill@heechee.meediv.lanl.gov (Jim Whitfill - Los Alamos) writes:
> 
> |>In article <1992Dec10.220303.15159@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>,
> |>glenn@cloud1.met.fsu.edu writes...
> |>> i am interested in getting xv on our vax-vms (5.5 os) workstation
> |>> does anybody know whether or not the software is portable to the
> |>> vms-decwindows platform? i would like to use this display gif files
> |>> on our vax instead of always porting them to a unix machine for display.
> |>> we are getting gif files from the net of current synoptic,and satellite
> |>> images and charts on our unix machine and i would like to be able to
> |>> display these on our vms stations as well.
> XV also works on ALPHA, you have to hack about a bit first though. XV for VAX
> has special handling to make GIF loading ultra fast, lots of RMS hackery, the
> GIF translator has also bee coded in MACRO! Once I have hacked these
> optimizations out I will post the DESCRIP.MMS to the net.
> 
> The actual source doe not need changing much. Alphaisms such as library text
> file includes not being there etc clobber some of the VMS opts but apart from
> that there is no real porting hassle.

        ALPHA modifications of XV "on my desk" to fold into the old
distribution (thanks to Clark Merrill).  They should allow the same
(future) patch kit to work for us plain VAX types as well as you lucky
ALPHA types :)

        I swear, I'll get to it soon! :)

rick
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