HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Starbucks (Was: I was gender f*cked, & I liked it)
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:32:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41307
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Aug13.163554.15877@agora.uucp> ben@agora.uucp (Ben Tucker) writes:
>    I like Portland.  Smiling, I putz off to starbucks.  I'm happy.

Starbucks!  Has anyone verified that Starbucks is giving money to the
OCA?  I hope to have final confirmation at the No on Hate meeting on
the 19th, but if anyone on the net has this info...

I can see a kiss-in at Starbuck's looming on the horizon.

--mark
--
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markm@cse.ogi.edi        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Jeans
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 10:08:54 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

r l reid (ro@panix.com) wrote:
  >> 	(Commercial:  Marlboro Man and Son, out riding on the
  >> 	range...
  >> 		"Dad, how do you keep yourself...you know....fresh?"
  >> 		"Hell, boy, I wash my underwear once a month
  >> 	         whether it needs it or not, and I always use
  >> 		 Studley Deoderant Super Absorbent Drip Pads
  >> 	         with the exclusive mauve adhesive strip"
 >                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes: 
 >                               * OUCH! *

Turn it over, Mike.  The sticky side goes _away_ from you.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (Jojo (as told to FJ!!))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:23:47 GMT

I just got off the phone to inform Jojo, he is staying here and thus
has no access until Sunday.

He expressed relief that Rob's ordeal was over, and he'd just like to
extend his condolances, and thank everyone that stayed with Rob during
his last days.

					FJ!! (As he thought about what
					to say...it was during this
					call that I realized how much
					"Silence == Death")
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:33:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug20.153345.19091
Organization: insert anything here

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>>Mlle dyer, mlle hughes, & mlle twpierce:

>Oh, my, what an insult.

	Oh, I dunno --- one could look at it as a compliment.  Taking
it as an insult has a smattering of internalized misogyny, which Sarver
also embodies (since the reflection of his views says that womyn should
be "feminine so as not to upset his precious insecurity about his
own masculinity".

>>Oh, and as for you three ladies and me "on top":  
>>There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between any of you and an
>>actual woman; (of course there isn't; you like it that way).

>A *VERY* *HAIRY* *BALD* woman with a beard.

	No, that's "very very VERY" hairy...  Woof.

>>Given the choice, I'd still opt for a real lady instead of 
>>any of you three "wannabe's".  Even I have *some* standards.

	Um, so, Sarver what's a *REAL* lady?!  How many "unladylike points"
do womyn get for oh, wearing jeans, wearing Birkenstocks, owning a
Harley, having hair shorter than 1cm, etc. ???   We've been so clueless
for so long, thinking that acceptance and diversity was better than
ostracization and parochialsm...  (not).

	The weirdest thing is that for people like Sarver, they can't
function unless there exists a "them" they can feel superior to, or
judgemental of.  If everyone woke up tomorrow being like Hunter Madsen
or ??? (I ashamedly can't think of the womyn's equivalent --- help!
I *know* there are outspoken womyn assimilationalists, but a name eludes me!)
they would just have to find a new "them" to target.

	This of course is the overriding moethodology of all oppressing
groups: the BRepublicans, the Fundies, etc.  In the end it all comes
down to sociological insecurity which in the worst cases manifests
itself as bigotry.

	Do seek help Mr. Sarver.  You'll feel all the better about
yourself after you do.

BBC
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: TheVoice, Mutual Admiration Societies, what have you (was Re: redefining masculinity)
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:18:41 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Aug17.092741.10071@wam.umd.edu>, jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N.
Shaumeyer) wrote:

[much stuff deleted]

> > *Euphonious*?!  Well, thank you.
> 
> Precisely.  The delight of rippling peals, cascades
> of bell tones, travelling from a distant carillon
> across mountain valleys drenched in the flush of
> spring flowering, fed and refreshed by streams of
> melting glacial waters.

As soc.motss is overcome with a deluge of pastoral imagery, a voice is
heard in the distance...

"The *HILLS* are aliiiiiiivvvee...with the sound of muuuuuusssic...."

> --jns


TDO
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Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:15:54 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug19.215833.10537@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>If you're actually keeping score - here's my rule. It's very simple.
>If it wiggled, I won't eat it.

>I'm serious.

Will you wear on your feet or (better yet) on your whole
body the skin of once-wigglies whose flesh (cooked or raw)
you would not eat?

Or are you anti-leather? :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jmp8p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeannine Marie Pinto)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.203959.19501@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Besides the "oh" and "ah-hah" experiences, there are countless more.
>When I came out to my friend Jason in New York, I said, basically,
>"Well, I couldn't come into the city last weekend because I went up to
>Boston -- the Boston Gay Pride Parade was that weekend, and I wanted
>to march because I'm bisexual."  Jason's response was, and I quote,
>"Ooh!"

Yeah, there is considerable variety.  My old boss, for whom food was
a central organizing framework of life, provided my favorite:

"Oh, damn! Another vegetarian!"

Actually, he uttered this line when I introduced him to my lover
(which also served as the act of coming out to him). When he
discovered that, like him, she enjoyed chopped liver and drank pickle
brine, they became fast friends.

jeannine
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 18 Aug 1992 16:54:54 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.225845.26574@gordian.com> 
mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> In article <18AUG92.18071317@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> > In a previous article, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
...
>   Yes, yes, yes! My AC has been having a wretched time keeping the
> house at a comfortable tempature to sleep in. 

I don't have air conditioning at home.  Last night at midnight
it was over 90 in my bedroom.  Can you guess why I'm just a wee 
bit cranky today?

> >Maybe you could coo with your baby tonight, or possibly pitch some woo with
> >your baby tonight...
>
>  Bzzt. Too hot. How can you screw in heat like this?

I can't even *think* about screwing in heat like this.

[...]
>		Mike (who suspects that Sim might be trying to make
>		      fun of us, but is *certain* that he'd have the
>		      good taste to not make fun of our *horrible*
>		      *heatwave* from *hell*)

You mean Sim might have been making *fun* of us?  What nerve!

Arne
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:10:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug18.212941.21378@spdcc.com> <1992Aug19.134931.592@fig.citib.com>
  <1992Aug20.054754.250@spdcc.com> <1992Aug21.204418.14210@fig.citib.com>

Greg Parkinson writes:
>Perhaps I'm a bit testy because of Rob's death - it's
>a little too close to home right now.
>
>Perhaps I'm disappointed that someone would commemorate
>Rob's death by being nasty to someone else looking for
>help in dealing with it.  That's a new feeling for me
>here, and I don't care for it.

I think this is spot-on. Arne's posting came across like
telling someone crying at a funeral to "quit yer snivelin'!"
Crude, insensitive and nasty.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR: 9 CO:2)
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:43:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell):
:If I remember correctly, there used to be a grammar rule that when you make
:a list of things, they would be deliniated by commas, except for between the
:last two, which would be separated by no comma, but instead would be 
:separated by the word "and." I believe this was at some point changed.
:I could be wrong, I leave this to the net.grammar.queens for further 
:analysis.

soc.motss.grammar_queens, anyone?


Consider:

    My favorite sandwiches are tuna, ham and cheese, 
    pastrami, and peanut butter and jelly.

and

    A good sandwich requires bread, butter, peanut butter, and jelly.

They don't work as well without that last comma.  

I maintain that a list should always be :
    A, B, and C
rather than
    A, B and C

because when any of the elements are multiworded, you'll have ambiguity.  

_The_Elements_of_Style_ clearly states:

    In a series of three or more terms with a single 
    conjunction, use a comma after each except the last.

    Thus write:

        red, white, and blue

        gold, silver, or copper

        He opened the letter, read it, and made a note of its contents.

The +'s are unambiguous -- and tastier -- compared with the -'s:

 +  Sandwiches include ham, tuna, and peanut butter and jelly.
 -  Sandwiches include ham, tuna and peanut butter and jelly.

 +  Sandwiches include ham, tuna, and peanut butter.
 -  Sandwiches include ham, tuna and peanut butter.

 +  Sandwiches include ham, peanut butter and jelly, and tuna.
 -  Sandwiches include ham, peanut butter and jelly and tuna.

Personally, I never care to offer peanut butter with tuna on one 
sandwich, and I wouldn't want someone thinking they should find 
another cafe because of limited and disgusting sandwich choices.


--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist


The best defense against logic is ignorance.
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: news from colorado
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:30:27 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

Hooray? 56% against to 38% for gets hooray?

I'm solidly disgusted that it isn't more like 99% against to 1% for.
We're talking about a measure that's clearly meant to prevent us from
having basic rights thjat every other citizen has. 

Like somebody on the net said, I'm tired of politely asking for my rights from
someone who had no right to take them away in the first place. (My thanks to
whoever said that, it's my feelings exactly.)

			Tom Farrell

"Ah, those figs. Happy as rats they are. They tap dance not,
neither do they fart." -Greensleeves of Frivoli
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:31:53 GMT
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


In a previous article, bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) says:

>In article <1992Aug13.042650.7512@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>>
>>If a draft occurs, in any form, everyone gets hurt.  
>>Instead of drafting anyone, let's keep things as they are, an all-volunteer
>>service.  In this way, we can assure that these things never happen.
>>
>This is a nice distinction to make.  If we have a draft, everyone gets
>hurt.  Are you saying that no one gets hurt if we have an all volunteer
>military?  Wrong.

Of course I'm not saying no one gets hurt.  What I'm saying is, those who 
volunteer know and accept the risk they are taking.

>  What you have is an unfair system--those who have 
>other options and don't have to choose military service, and those who
>have fewer options for whom the military is their best way in our society.
>
Bullshit.  I did not come from money, I did not any more options than most.
I did not join the service, I worked at minimum wage jobs, got grants, and got
educated.  Anyone who says they joined the army because they had no other
options is one of two things, either a liar or a looser.  Let them be
honest.  They weren't willing to make the hard choice, and make sacrifices
for their future...they took the easy way out, joined the military (with
no gun at their head, I might add), and now they bitch because of their 
choice.

>
>If we really need to have a military, and our society places value on the
>service, then everyone should have to do it.  Not just the poor and the
>minorities, but the middle class and the wealthy, men and women, and you
>and me.
>

You might have to.  I won't.  If there were a draft, I would refuse it,
outright.  I would serve my time in prison, or whatever other penalty
the government imposes on those who believe the government is their
servant, not their master.

>
>>*                  ae642@yfn.ysu.edu // Jesus Christ, from the cross     *
>
By the way, nice piece of creative editing.  See below for the complete,
and correct, version.
-- 
*...your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist // "Peter...PETER!!  I can see    *
*      the KelleyMan:Kelley L. Miller // your house from here!"          *    
*                  ae642@yfn.ysu.edu // Jesus Christ, from the cross     *
****************Know God...No peace.  No God...Know peace.****************
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sweaty sex
Date: 19 Aug 1992 14:55:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug19.212910.28321@cis.ohio-state.edu> 
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> in article <l958abINN6r8@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
> (a grand motss faggot) writes, about (of course) the movies:
>
>  >The sweat scenes always make me laugh.  Are they having sex
>  >in a sauna?  Do any of *you* work up a lather like that?
>  >(I imagine Arnold is going to jump in and say yes.)
>
> yes, he is.

How did I just *know* you would?

>               yes, yes, yes.  so does jacques.  so does dino-dean.
> we all love the way it feels, the way it looks, and ohyesohyesohyes
> the way it smells.  i'm getting aroused just *typing* this.

Oh my.  Well, I don't know if I should feel cheated or relieved
that you aren't in my office right now.  (It's a million *humid*
degrees outside and I've just come in from a strenuous walk cross
campus....)

> and i have in fact had sex in saunas in many cities, in at least
> three countries.  though i usually prefer steam rooms.  all
> that warm wetness.  in fact, just two saturdays ago,...

But Arnold, I was talking about the scenes set in bedrooms
(or on pool tables or whatever) in which the protagonists sweat
as if they *were* in a sauna or steam room.  They often look as
if the makeup people had just hosed them down.

Warm wetness?  You'd probably *love* it here today.

Arne
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deeper Master!  Take it Bitch!
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:05:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

But, how can anyone quote the great Stryker, "Tighten that asshole!"
without busting out laughing!

Peace (I know it's late and I should be studying biostatistics instead)



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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:21:10 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <l8vsg4INNt8n@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>As I intimated before, Queers have appropriated some of the
>outward show of camp, but without any understanding or 
>humor. 

Now Arne, *you* know that camp is overstating certain
things, like the number of jealous friends who glared at you
as you whisked the grandest item in weeks right out of the
bar under their noses, then calling every one of them in the
morning and rather overdramatizing how long it was you did
whatever with this divinity and ohmygod, it was *huge*, and
and and.

But in this posting, quite a lot of which I thought on the
mark, this last you overstate.  I think most young people
today *do* have some understanding of all sorts of relevant
issues and modalities; it seems to me it mostly needs to be
broadened quite a bit.  TO oversimplify, they need to relax
and not be quite so self-conscious, to care less for their
own conformities, and so forth.  But as you say, to a
considerable extent, the humor element is actually absent;
young folks seem to take it all so seriously, and they have
very little sense of the ways the human comedy directly
involves them, I think.  As I recall, neither did we, back
then.

<> I thought someone was promiscuous if they slept with as
<> many people as I only wish to.  I thought someone was a
<> slut if they slept with more people than I'd wish to.
<> -- Rob Bernardo

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR:9 CO:2)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 10:54:19 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Mark Morrissey writes:
>If this passes, then I think a ballot measure to change the name of the
>state capital to Nuremburg is called for.

Or to change the state's name to Dachau.
 
() Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not
() vote.
()      -- George Jean Nathan
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:29:54 GMT

shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.173104.22795@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>> (Whatever a "feminine gay name" is supposed to be, someone clue me in.
>> "Lance?"  "Steve?"  "Antoine?")
>
>"Wendy" "Max" "Michelle" "Polly" "Kathryn" "Amanda" 
>"Ailsa" "Melinda"
>
>or maybe we simply wouldn't exist in a *truly* butch
>universe.

Of course you don't.  According to an infamous recent book, for the
average American there is no name that signifies that a woman is a
lesbian (Why have a name for something that doesn't exist, after all?)

For guys, there are many names that are considered effeminate or gay:
Byron, Miles, Guy, Percy, Bruce, Cyril, Neville, Maxwell, Christopher,
Leslie, Gene, Dana, Marion, Hillary, Francis, Cecil, Clarence, Wendell,
and any diminutive name (Stevie, Bobby) are a dead giveaway.  If this
were only true, wouldn't it make life a lot simpler?

% "Doc, do you think it's possible for a guy who thinks Pia Zadora's a
% fox to be queer?"
% 				-Peter Lefcourt, "The Dreyfus Affair"

Pieter Hazewindus				pieter@cs.caltech.edu
(who used to be known by a double name -- another giveaway)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:31:08 GMT

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
: 
: Mlle dyer, mlle hughes, & mlle twpierce:
: 
: I had no idea that you three debutantes were so incestuously interconnected.
: Thank you for settling a bet for me, though, and making me $10 richer.  
: 
: I bet another masc. gay friend that none of the net queens on soc.motss
: would be able to offer coherent counterarguments.  He believed,
: however, that you would be able to contain yourselves and post something 
: of value.  
: 
: Oh, and as for you three ladies and me "on top":  
: There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between any of you and an
: actual woman; (of course there isn't; you like it that way).
: 
: Given the choice, I'd still opt for a real lady instead of 
: any of you three "wannabe's".  Even I have *some* standards.

FUCK YOU, SARVER, YOU IGNORANT, MISOGYNIST, ARROGANT, STUPID, ASSHOLE.
Newsgroups: soc.motss