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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:47:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.215844.6974@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> smith@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (damon smith 283-4050) writes:
>In article <2536@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep26.221757.24823@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
>|> >(Oh, and the Lions whipped the
>|> >Cowboys in the Playoffs, and the Redskins whipped them, so its safe to say the
>|> >cowgirls would have gotten squished in the NFC champiomship)
It is.

>|> HAHAHAHAHA . . . *whew* It's been a long time since I've seen anyone post
>|> this sort of logic.  I had forgotten how funny it was to laugh at.
>|> 
>|> Hey, here's another one for you:  if you flip a coin ten times, and it
>|> comes up heads every time, then on the eleventh flip, it is much, MUCH
>|> more likely to come up tails!
>|> Daniel Welch
Here is another one for you. The Cowboys may be able to win coin-flipping,
but not NFC championship games on the road. Remember Jan. 1983 when Dexter
knocked Danny Boy out of the game? Remember the Catch?

>Actually, on the eleventh flip there is still a 50/50 chance of the coin
>coming up heads or tails.  It does not matter what has happened in the past.
Actually it does. The odds were against the Cowboys. Check it out.

NFC championship game since 1980: the road teams (underdogs) were 2/12.

In the playoffs since 1980, after the underdogs beating the favorites in
the regular season, or winning at the favorites' home fields in case of 
divisional rivals, the underdogs were 3-11 in the playoffs (i.e. win
again at the favorites' home field). 

Revenge was a BIG factor in the playoffs, boy!!

In other words, had the Boys played the Skins at RFK for the NFC 
championship, they should have kissed it goodbye.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: #1 Ranked Offense/ Defense
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:46:51 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep26.142010.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra) writes:
>What irks me is that the 1972 Miami Dolphins just don't get any respect. They
>
>Dolphins- The perfect season of '72!
>Todd Elliott
Todd, quit living in the past.

>11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
>11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
From: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Edge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Hey Cleveland Fans....
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:11:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: brian@baja.Corp.Sun.COM
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Who is starting QB this weekend??  Mack is back isn't he?

Thanks
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bring Back Instant Replay
Summary: No, please don't!
Keywords: 49ers-Saints,Bad Calls, Suggestion
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:30:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <tokuno.717807558@milton>, tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes...
> 
>	I'm glad the 49ers won the game against the Saints so I could post
>this without anyone accusing me of whining, but that game was a perfect
>example of why the NFL should bring back instant replay.  I agree it's not
>perfect and that it can really slow a game down, so I would suggest the

[his suggestion deleted] 

>
>	What do you think?  Relevant comments are welcome.


	I attend my hometown's NFL games, and the difference in replay/no
replay is incredible.  As in baseball, the referees are using their combined
judgements to perceive what everyone has just seen on the field.  Bang! (to
paraphrase John Madden) The play is over, and the decision is made.  Argue all
you want (just LOOK at how long Art Monk's supposed TD in the SB last year went
on!!  Cripes!), but I thought professional sports were played by and officiated
by humans, not video cameras.
	What is next in the ever-increasing need to introduce technology into
pro football?  A small probe in the pigskin, with sensors scanning the goal
line to see if the ball crossed the plane?  I think two referees with good
eyesight will do fine, thank you.  This isn't rocket science, it's football.
	It was obvious to me and my football colleagues how much dissention and
uncertainty was present in the referees on-field the previous years when replay
was in effect (especially the last two years!).  They knew they could rely on
'Big Brother' to come to the rescue if they weren't sure about a receiver having
two feet inbounds or the like.  I think in order for an official to command
respect on the playing field, he _himself_ has to be sure of his own 
capabilities.  This was not the case for the last few years.
	I love, needless to say, the return of control of the game to the real
referees.  Not some retired ref who just can't run up and down the field like 
they used to...now relegated to the intricasies of FF and REW, and changing the
outcome of an NFL game with a frame-by-frame advancement of a VCR.  It's really
ridiculous, once you think about it.  Thank Allah that the game has finally come
back 'down to Earth'.  Instant replay, by the NFL's own admission, was a 'tool
that was being considered'.  I guess it's consideration is finally decided.

Jonny B.
From: rhoads@pepper.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: '72Dolphins/Steelers
Keywords: 1000 yard runners in a season(2 of them)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:06:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads

Avron Bernstein writes,
***********************
Aha!  There have been three times(at least) when a single team has had two
1000 yard runners the same season.  The last time was in 198_ when Mack and
Byner did it for Cleveland.  The first time was indeed Mercury and Csonka.
The other time was Blier and Harris for Pittsburgh.  So if that was one of your
criteria for picking Dolphins, Pittsburgh can't be THAT far behind them.  Also,
I don't know which year this was that they had the two 1000 yard runners, so
it might not be the "best" of the Steeler teams.

>> Misc. praises of late 70's Steelers teams deleted.

Obviously, this is highly arguable.  I 
just wanted to mention this since, as has been opinted out, we will NEVER
know who was better, because we can't time-travel and all that scifi stuff.
I just felt I had to woof a little, that's all.   :)
*****************

Actually, the 1972 Dolphins had THREE 1000 yard runners: "Mercury"
Morris, Larry Csonka, and Jim Kiick(sp?).  I believe the '72 Dolphins
were the only team to ever have three 1000 yard runners in a single
season. 

-- Glenn Rhoads
From: mvc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Min Vui Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: quick question
Date: 26 Sep 1992 09:34:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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Gary Rosen (garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM) wrote:
: >In article <15280143@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith 
: >	Glasson) writes...
: 
: >>	Just a quick, simple question:How wide is a football field?
: 
: >A professional NFL football field is 30 yards across.
: 
: >					---Chet
: 
: Not even close.  Both college and pro fields (American, not Canadian)
: are 160 ft. = 53 1/3 yards across.  Actually, I'm not sure about
: Canadian football - it may be the same but I think it's wider.
: 
: - Gary Rosen

Yes, definitely 53 1/3 yards across, despite all the varied responses.

M.V.Chan

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:48:58 GMT


Mike Ditka's tirade of Jim Harbaugh on the sidelines after the interception
by Todd Scott in the 4th Quarter, his subsequent blasting in the post-game
news conference, and his wimpy apology on WGN-AM (720) for "overreacting" 
proves to me that Ditka "just doesn't get it." 

His defense failed him. If it weren't for four Vikings turnovers in the
first three quarters, the Vikes should've blasted the Bears. To dump it
all on a key turnover by Harbaugh is to ignore the fact that the Bears
defense gave up 14 quick points in 12 minutes.

And the Bears get to think about this for the next two weeks. Ouch!

******************************************************************************
--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              |  1992 Election Ballot
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |  
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |  For President-
--------------------------------------------------|
~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  ___ George Bush (GOP)
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |  ___ Bill Clinton (Dem)
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |  ___ H Ross Perot (Weenie)
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Keith Jackson Signs!
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:24:50 GMT

Yes it's true, Keith Jackson signed yesterday with the Miami Dolphins. All I
know is that it was a 4 year deal, don't know for how much. Needless to say
I am ecstatic, now the Dolphins will be able to use a 2 tight end formation
with 2 pro-bowl tight ends, Jackson and Ferrel Edmunds. 

Look out Buffalo, you may have Metzelars, but we've got Jackson!
He said last night on the MNF half time show that he would be in uniform this
weekend for the Jills game. I don't think he'll be much of a factor in this
game but he ought to be relatively accustomed to the offense by the next Jills
game, and will then be a big factor.

All great running teams in the past used a great blocking tight end with the
recent Detroit Lions being the exception. Now the Dolphins have the premier
blocking and pass catching tight end in the NFL all rolled up into one player.

This one aquisition should be enough to greatly improve the already improved
Miami ground game. And with Jackson in the lineup the possibilities are now
even more expanded. Dan Marino should be jumping up and down for joy in his
living room right now.

Am I jazzed? YES!!

John T.
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you take yourself too seriously, you'll be the only one who does.

..John "Dolphinatic" Turman...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jeff@solar.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Ten best rated QB performances ever
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 09:22:43 GMT

To me, this indicates that the formula used to rate QB's over the course
of a season is not suited for single game ratings.  For example, Warren
Moons game against Kansas City last year where he threw for 527 yards
and 5 tds was probably by far his best game as a professional.  Yet some
comparatively less substantial performance gets a higher rating, I would
think maybe because of a higher completion percentage.  We all know that
many times knowing when to throw a ball away is the sign of a mature
quarterback, so a single game rating shouldn't overemphasize the
completion percentage statistic.
--
           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:15:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1asnh3INN540@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.182852.735@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>In article <1aq239INNiu9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis) writes...
>>
>>[Deletions]
>>
>>>Gannon then came through with some
>>>crisp passing  (I really think with more exp, this
>>>lad will be a premier quarterback) and Roger Craig and Chris Carter
>>>also stepped up.  
>>
>>The only problem I have with what you've said so far is about Gannon 
>>being a premere QB if he gets more experience.  Gannon already has 6 
>>years of NFL experience and lots of playing time.  I don't think more 
>>experience is going to make much difference.
>>
>	Well, most of this time, he was a backup behind Kramer and
>	Wilson. Gannon really has only been a "true" starter for about
>	one full season. Dont forget, Wilson was the starter at the
>	beginning of last year. Gannon really hasnt gotten FULL playing
>	time, and I agree with the above poster, with a year or two
>	more as the full starter, Gannon will be a good QB.

I don't know, it's hard for me to believe that after 5 years as a 
backup and 1 as a starter he can possibly be in need of more 
experience.  I sure all QBs learn more and more each year but it's not 
going to be like the improvement you sometimes see in the first 1-2 
years of a QBs career.  Maybe if we say 'seasoning' rather than 
'experience' I'd be okay with it.
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From: jdhelter@IASTATE.EDU (Jeffrey Helterbrand)
Subject: Eric Green Coming Back Soon? 
Reply-To: jdhelter@IASTATE.EDU (Jeffrey Helterbrand)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:57:37 GMT

Is Tight End Eric Green expected back soon for the Steelers?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August)
Subject: Re: Can Bills go 16-0?
Organization: nasa-jsc
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:37:25 GMT

tehyang@phakt.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
: I'm not a fanatical Bills fan, but looking at their schedule and how good
: they've been playing, doesn't anyone else think they might go undefeated?
: 
: They've already beaten the 49ers, which was probably the toughest opponent
: they'll face this year. They're averaging around 35 points per game, and
: just seem to be so far ahead of any other AFC team.
: 


Dey not gone win in da House of Pain, no way!!!!


--

The rayster             ** Go Oilers
                        ** Go Braves
                        ** Bulls in 93

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Cary Blanchard
Originator: mcanders@c00567-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:30:34 GMT


Does anyone know if Blanchard is getting any offers? The Saints cut him
on the weekend and I know that after his impressive pre-season performance
there was a lot of interest in him.

Matt
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chargers question: Who will start?
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.183205.17643@infonode.ingr.com>, john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin) writes:
> Who will be the QB for Sunday's game?
> Rumor has it that Humphries is hurt and might not play.
> 
> -John-


Humphries is the starter.

I heard nothing that would lead me to believe otherwise. Whats the
difference anyway, to us Chargers fans at least, Humphries,
Gagliano, Friesz, Billy Joe Tolliver, Vlasic, etc. Whenever you see a
Chargers' game on TV, there is a rule that the Networks follow,
called the 'Cringe Rule'.

They are legally obliged to show the names of ALL the QBs that have
started for SD ever since Fouts left [3 screens full of names], 
thus making every SD fan watching the game cringe painfully.

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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: RAIDERS Problems
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:15:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.222928.9410@ntmtv> weitzeka@ntmtv.UUCP (Keith Weitzel) writes:
>And now Marcus Allen.  Allen wants to leave the
>Raiders because they are no longer commetted to winning.

The sportcasters on Monday night football said that this was a complete 
falsehood. Marcus Allen denies having ever said this. BTW, he askes to be 
traded every season he holds out.

A Raider fan
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Should Marv Levy Be Fired? (was Re: Dolphins Eat the Bills for Lunch)
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:52:22 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <16876127B6.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes:
>   First, I think it is time for a new coach at Buffalo.  Every
> time the Bills get in a big game, they are outcoached. The only reason
> that they win so many games is the talent that they have.  Marv has
> had a great record over the years, but I think its time for a change.
> Where the fuck is Buddy Ryan?                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                    ^^^^^^^^^^
Are you a voter who doesn't like Bush, so you'll vote for Perot?  :-)

Seeing the highlights, I know that the net.Bills.fans were asking a lot
of questions here about who would be their starting TE (Metzelaars or some-
body else).  I wonder if the Buffalo management ever considered seriously
pursuing Keith Jackson while he was unattached.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Lions Update
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:38:12 GMT

In article <92271.2218513ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

   Well, the Lions blew it again.  Problem: The offense does not stay on the
   field long enough.  The defense plays well through three quarters.  I don't
   think they have been scored on in the 3rd quarter this season.  But do they
   give up points in the 4th -- must be tired.  This was a problem last year
   and the year before -- ergo needed tight ends.  Now the problem *is* the
   "Jumbo offense," which was a bust last year.  Now they discover that they've
   got to spread the offense.  Back to the real "run-and-shoot."  Game plans
   have cost these games.

I've got to agree with you on this.  The offense was *pathetic* before the
r&s came along.  Since then, they have invested in r&s parts (good receivers,
and second rate OL who can pass block on all downs).  And the offense has
responded, picking up its play consistently over the last few years.  So what
does Wayne do?  Try to switch to a game plan that emphasises our weakness,
i.e. a power game with a bad line, and takes away from our strength, i.e.
greene, moore (I know, he's been out anyway), perriman, barrett, cambell, and
farr.  It doesn't make any sence.  

Barry runs great in space, and thats what the pass blocking and 4 wr sets
were giving him.  Now the Lions are trying to run block defensive players
with second rate runblocking offensive linemen.  Everything gets compressed,
the blocking crumbles, and barry is stuffed.  Live and learn Wayne, you had
young players who were *obviously* progressing.  Let them grow into their own
offense, and stop monkying around with it.

Bill
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From: wytten@deci.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach)
Subject: Ten best rated QB performances ever
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:12:46 GMT

The Minneapolis Star and Tribune published the following list
on 10/1/92:

Rank      QB                              Vs.            Date
158.4     Ken O'Brien, Jets               Seattle        11-2-86
151.8     Fran Tarkenton, Vikings         Houston        10-13-74
151.5     Y.A. Tittle, Giants             Washington     10-28-62
147.7     Rich Gannon, Vikings            Cincinnati     9-27-92
146.3     Joe Kapp, Vikings               Atlanta        9-14-68
145.6     Warren Moon, Oilers             Cleveland      11-18-90
144.0     Boomer Esiason, Bengals         N.Y. Jets      12-21-86
142.9     Wade Wilson, Vikings            Tampa Bay      10-23-88
142.6     Joe Montana, 49ers              Seattle        9-25-88
142.5     Jim Everett, Rams               Cleveland      12-2-90

This list does not appear to include playoff games.  Does anyone
know what the best postseason performances are?

Disclaimer: I have not confirmed the above information.

Dale 
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: Questions about Eagles
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:36:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.195542.28414@athena.mit.edu>, centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
> I just had a few questions about the Eagles.
> 
> 1)  Offensive line improvement.
> 	a) Which player has improved the most?

The whole line, but particularly Antone Davis. He gets better every game,
and after all the abuse he got last year he deserves tons of credit for
turning a deaf ear.

>   	b) Has a lot of the improvement come from the
> 	   guys getting used to playing with each other
> 	   i.e. consistency?  Or has there been a lot
>     	   of substitutions and switches?

I'm pretty sure that consistency has been the rule.

> 	c) How much of the credit goes to our new OL coach?

good question

> 
> 2)  Injuries.
> 	a) when will Mike Pitts be getting back?

Pitts is eligible to come off the DL this week, but a friend of mine told me
that he heard Kotite said that he doesn't want to mess with success and is
in no hurry to get him back. My guess is that Pitts will see backup duty.


> 	b) how's Ben Smith doing?

We'll be lucky if he plays this year, that hasn't changed. The day he was 
hurt they said a year, and there's been nothing to indicate he may come
back sooner.
> 	c) are there any other key injuries?

No. There were some nicks, but everybody is supposed to be 100% by Monday.
> 
> 3)  Holdouts and acquisitions.
> 	a) I hear Miami is tendering an offer for Keith Jackson.
> 	   Could someone give me more info?

Goodbye and good riddance. He's a Dolphin now, in case you haven't heard.

> 	b) Aren't the Eagles trying to pick up or make any
> 	   trades?  I'm getting worried about the moves
> 	   Dallas has been making recently.

Well, you can't ask that question unless you feel that there are moves that
they need to make. So what do the EAGLES need right now?

pete clark
att!hos1cad!seth