From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Refutations Refuted! (was all arguments...)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

This is another condensed version of that really long post of a day
or two ago. Direct numbers with sources are given.


     3.  To reduce illegal back-alley abortions.
     
     ... the evidence points to only 114 deaths in 1963, 

Please point out to me 114 deaths through abortions that occurred
since 1973, in any single year. You'll be surprised. Also, the
number of total people has increased since 1963, so you'll have to
do a number per population figure instead of plain outright
numbers. That's kind of like saying "in 1880, there was one murder
in Houston, in 1990 there were 745 when Houston had a population of
less than 1000 in 1880, and almost 3 million <3,000,000> in 1990"
(Numbers totally ficticious, they're only to prove a point) to show
how lawlessness has run rampant in modern society.

     12.  Abortion is safer than childbirth.
     13.  At least for teenagers, abortion is safer than
     childbirth.
     
Un substantiated tripe removed. TbBa. 

Please get references that are modern day, eh? Medical science has
moved great leaps and bounds since 1980, much less 1975. Your
quotes could also be refering to the fact that the younger the
patient, the more dangerous it is for her to be carrying a fetus,
as her body is not ready for it yet, and that the attendent
complications are due to this fact. Another TbBA, as you've
provided no supporting evidence other than an out of context quote.

From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) Subject: Deaths from
abortion 1973-1982 Message-ID: <1992Aug07.235648.262212@cs.cmu.edu>

This is for the U.S.A., as reported to the CDC.  Ten deaths later
attributed to ectopic pregnancy are omitted.  The  numbers in
parentheses were classified as unknown.  The source is "Induced
Abortion: A World Review, 1986", Christopher Tietze and Stanley K.
Henshaw, AGI.

Year Legally induced          Illegally induced   Spontaneous

1973      25                       22(3)               10 
1974      26                       7(1)                21 
1975      29                       5(1)                14 
1976      11                       3(1)                13 
1977      17                       4                   16 
1978       9                       7                   9 
1979      18                       0                   8 
1980       9                       2(1)                6 
1981       7                       1                   3 
1982      11                       1                   6 
     -----------              ------------        ----------- 
         152                    52(7)                116

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Ron's input, for the present post---

Even these numbers don't tell everything, as they don't give
relative numbers per normalized population for each, but the
numbers do refute rink's statement about abortion being oh so
dangerous as compared to his 114 figure number for 1963. Also, see
that there were 10 deaths in this time period due to ectopic
pregnancies, and that numbers for deaths due to pregnancies carried
to term are not included.

Risks of abortion: 1990
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Abortion related mortality

--   The risk of death associated with childbirth is about 11
     times as high as that associated with abortion.

--   The risk of complications with abortion is minimal --
     less than 1% of all abortion patients experience a major
     comlication associated with the procedure, such as a
     serious pelvic infection, hemorrhage requiring a blood
     transfusion or unintended major surgery.

--   The risk of death associated with abortion decreased
     more than fivefold from 1973 to 1985, with 3.4 deaths per
     100,000 legal abortions in 1973 to 0.4 in 1985.

--   There is no evidence of problems with later childbearing
     among women who have an early abortion performed by
     the most common method - vacuum aspiration.

Source:  "Facts in Brief:  Abortion in the United States."
published by the Alan Guttmacher Institute.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com
(Internet)

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