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From: praetzel@maxwell.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:05:50 GMT

In article <93005.092725TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>I have a road bike with slick 700 x 25 tires, how do you deal with black ice?

Get studs.  Any sort of studded tires.
  It does not seem to matter if you have knobbies or slicks as far as ice is
concerned (ie either way you end up sideways).  But studded tires give you
a significant amount of traction.  Not very much on hard black on ice but
just enough to stay upright and accelerate.
  Hey how about this.  Since it seems to be so hard to balance on black
ice (for those of us with roller experience) I would have to say that going
out riding on black ice is the best thing that you can doing for working on
your "handling" skills.  Well it makes as much sense as rollers vs stationary.
  - Eric
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 09:27:25 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: How do you deal with Black Ice?

I have a road bike with slick 700 x 25 tires, how do you deal with black ice?
Do riders switch tires for the winter?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Black Ice - the definition (was Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?)
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:27:43 GMT

In article <4310015@hplred.HPL.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:
>I see you are impressed with gratuitous adverbs and adjectives and
>that they comprise "higher quality words".  


bst gives us hell for using the term "black ice", but then goes on to 
talk about yet another form of ice ...


>Cold ice on a lake rides well if you use your top gear.
 ^^^^

Careful about throwing those *rocky* stones.


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                    pamela@keps.com
KEPS, 164 Lexington Road                          1 down, 11 to go
Billerica, MA 01821-3984                          how many days til spring?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: praetzel@maxwell.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Black Ice vs Summer Ice
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:36:46 GMT

In article <BELDAR.93Jan8224728@rimulac.MicroUnity.Com> beldar@MicroUnity.com writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.152832.2028@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> mschweder@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu (Mark Schweder) writes:
>
>   All this talk about BLACK ICE, does anyone know what SUMMER ICE is?
>
>And GLARE ICE?

Black Ice:  The stand fare.
Summer Ice:  A Shimano (tm) product to help cyclists with their balancing (and
  hence dramatically improve their speed) and pedal "smoothness".
Glare Ice:  An improved Shimano product that has been polished by elves to
  the point of perfect reflection (also a special density of water is required
  to improve the Brewster angle).  Since so much work is required this (like
  XTR) is expensive and hard to find.

Rumour has it that Campy is coming out with a do-it-yourself kit where you
just have to add water.
- Eric
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Black Ice - the definition (was Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:58:36 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

In my morning commute, I've been running into some of the black ice.  In
San Jose, it's not practical to use studded tires (we get snowfall circa
every decade at sea level), but I have relatively smooth tires on my
commuter bike (26 x 1.75" Conti Top Touring tires).  With the limited
amount of ice that I've seen so far, it's been practical to simply coast
through the sections.  If I ran into a longer section, I'd take it easy, but
straight-line riding is pretty straightforward.  BTW, the Contis are good
tires to use in the rain.  I don't like riding down steep hills in the rain,
but my weekend rides have been a little wet lately, and it's been pretty
easy to keep under control.  Of course, this is on pavement; not sure
I'd want to see how the Contis would do on dirt.

Pete Brooks
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:1908 rec.bicycles.racing:1098
From: ianbjor@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ian D. Bjorhovde)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Summary: Bicycling images FTP sites.
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:08:56 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

>In article <1993Jan7.174750.1864@nmrb.bioch.ox.ac.uk>, miranker@bioch.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Miranker) writes...
>Well, I must say I did not have very much luck finding bicycle racing images,
>but there was plenty of response from people who would like to have some.
>Maybe someone would with a color scanner would like to volunteer?!
> 
>The only site I found contains just a few gif and jpeg files:
> 
>draco.acs.aci.edu
> 

I could also scan a few, but they would be b/w.  I have Graham Watson's book
(I can't remember the title offhand) but it has lots of good pictures.
If anyone has any requests for different cyclists, please send them to:

	ianbjor@gas.uug.arizona.edu

If you post them here I won't remember! (hint hint)


--Ian D. Bjorhovde
  ianbjor@gas.uug.arizona.edu
  Department of Materials Science and Engineering
  The University of Arizona
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I did a good thing today
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:08:02 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan6.043755.3432@news.ysu.edu>, ae505@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank Krygowski) writes:

> It occurred to me that they're going to look at cyclists differently
> now.  At least, I think they will.  Gives me something new to hope
> for.  When an idiot gets obnoxious, I won't hope they drive over
> a cliff.  I'll just hope they get stuck, so I can push them out.
> Make a friend.                 Frank Krygowski  ae505@yfn.ysu.edu

Good on ya!  I always grin to myself when I see cars and their occupants
having mechanical problems in the middle of nowhere.  But once when it was
getting dark I stopped to offer some help to a guy and his broken-down car
(sometimes I'll just tell the next garage to send out a tow-truck) and he 
was noticeably dubious that I could do anything. I had a spanner - he didn't,
now he'll think of cyclists in better light than ever!

Jonathan.
From: o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: FTP-addresses wanted (bike-pix)
Reply-To: o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org
Date: 03 Jan 93 10:53:00 MET
Distribution: world
Organization: Mailboxsystem LINK-NJD, FRG
X-Version: ZerUU V6.43a

Would be anyone of the fellow cyclist so nice to post me FTP-addresses
where I can find bicycling-related pictures?  Thanx in advance! Oliver

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:48:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.235653.19120@leland.Stanford.EDU> lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
>Black ice is clear ice.  Why they don't just call it ice I'm not sure.  Maybe
>people just feel the word ice is begging for an adjective, or maybe ice is
>special when it's on a road...
For those of you who haven't lived in snow country. Most ice is compacted
snow, and is milky white. Easy to spot. Black ice (i.e. transparent)
isn't. If you are accustomed to looking for normal ice, black ice
can catch you unawares.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:00:13 GMT

In article <5825@gold.gvg.tek.com> jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) writes:
>Black ice is a left coast phenomenon, apparently. 

Hmmm.... in my experience, it visits the right-hand-coast as well!  :(
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: peter@helix.ObjecTime.on.ca (Peter Epstein)
Subject: Re: Automatic transmissions for bikes
Organization: ObjecTime Limited
Distribution: bnr
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 16:53:54 GMT

A friend of mine had a bike with a freewheel on the front and a front derailleur.
It worked as expected, allowing shifts without pedaling, but only while moving.
The rear freewheel was still needed in case the chain got cought on your pants
or something, but the rear freewheel was harder to turn than the front, so the
chain continued to move even when you stopped pedaling.  Been looking for this
feature ever since, but haven't seen it.
-- 
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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I did a good thing today
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:27:20 +1300
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

> In article <C091p7.1r9@csn.org> alexm@teal.csn.org (Alex Matthews) writes:

>>  Pretty soon I'm going to start throwing water bottles through windshields.

There was a court case here a while back which involved a local cyclist hurling
his full bottle through the windscreen of a dangerous driver.  Turns out the
cyclist had had a friend killed by a %(^%& car driver earlier on, "but that's
no excuse for putting others at risk" sez the Judge when convicting him....

Richard Ballantine (god) of Richard's Bicycle Book recommends squirting
undiluted cordial onto cars.  Luverly mess.

Jonathan.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:56:54 GMT

Jobst Brandt (jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM) writes:

> Tom@SLACVM writes:

> > I have a road bike with slick 700 x 25 tires, how do you deal with
> > black ice?  Do riders switch tires for the winter?

> I'm dismayed at the news media and their constant embellishments of
> everyday phenomena.  We no longer have rain but a storm system
> moving into the state, we don't have rain showers but intermittent
> shower activity, and we don't have icy roads but widespread
> occurrence of black ice in the area.

While I tend to agree that the media are distorting parts of the language
that probably ought not to be distorted, the examples you cite are, in my
opinion, refinements rather than distortions. A 'storm system' can often
bring far more than rain, such as snow, hail, or high winds, while 'rain'
usually means just rain. Similarly, 'rain showers' appears to mean
something different to everybody - back in New England it meant steady rain
for an hour or two at a time, while here in Oregon it means 10 minute
bursts of rain followed by possible sunshine - or 'intermittent shower
activity'.

I find the term 'black ice' highly descriptive - an 'icy road' to me is one 
with an apparent and likely thick coating of ice, while 'black ice' is 
small patches of ice that lurk in shady spots or in unexpected locations, 
and which, because of their thinness, are difficult to see.

Moan if you must, but to my ears these terms are endearing.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: kyle@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: a shot in the pride
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 9 Jan 93 08:37:33 PST

Just a little recount of a recent experience;

Thursday night at about 10:20, I'm commuting home on my bike in the 
rain.  A white car filled with youths comes up behind me, I hear a pop 
and then feel something hit me pretty damn hard in the buttock.  They 
speed by laughing and yelling obscenities.  I pulled over to to make 
sure I wasn't bleeding; I wasn't.  I don't know if they had a 
slingshot, a pellet gun, or what.  Maybe it was a .22 pistol and it 
just bounced off my glutes because they're so hard from commuting on 
my bicycle B-).  Anyway, since it was raining, I didn't have my 
glasses on and I couldn't get the make of the car, let alone the tags.

I was pissed at the time, but now two days later its more of just a 
could anecdote to bring up over beers.  I wasn't going to post it 
because it seems trivial now, but after the discussion on "Black Ice", 
I don't feel so bad about wasteing the bandwidth.

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From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:36:23 GMT
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

Tom@SLACVM writes:

> I have a road bike with slick 700 x 25 tires, how do you deal with
> black ice?  Do riders switch tires for the winter?

I'm dismayed at the news media and their constant embellishments of
everyday phenomena.  We no longer have rain but a storm system
moving into the state, we don't have rain showers but intermittent
shower activity, and we don't have icy roads but widespread
occurrence of black ice in the area.

Icy roads, as icy sidewalks, are hazards to movement no matter how
clever you are.  You can go out with crampons on your shoes but then
you cant walk worth a damn and you can put on tire chains or spike
tires but you wont be able to go around any dry corners at a
reasonable speed and the rolling resistance is insultingly high.  A
smooth tread is preferable to a profiled tread on ice because the
lubricity of ice is caused by contact pressure.  The more uniform
the pressure the less water film is created.  Near the melting
point, it makes no difference because the slightest pressure will
cause a water film.

If the ice is intermittent I usually make a point of riding so that
the bicycle is normal to the road surface so there won't be any side
forces to cause a side slip.  In a banked turn where this is not
possible, except at risky higher speed, I ride in the gutter or on
the road shoulder.  Last weekend I and my riding companions came
upon ice just over the crest of an 18% descent.  By picking a line
straight through the section it was passable without problem.
However, the last rider was too cautious and still had his brakes on
slightly so he hit the ground.

As always, the warmer the surface of the ice, the slicker it is.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Duke)
Subject: Re: Recumbents
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:37:16 MST

: Why, for instance, don't you, yes YOU reading this now, ride a 'bent
: instead of that death-trap "standard" model your on usually?


  Seems to me that a recumbent would be far more dangerous on the
road than a "standard" bike. Most motorists' ability to see a
recumbent would be obscured by the very car they are in since a
recumbent is much lower to the ground. And I agree with Harry
Phinney, a recumbent could never rival the handling of a standard
upright bike. I'll continue to enjoy my "death-trap" and hope
you continue to enjoy your lazy-boy on wheels.
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Commemorating French Inventor of Bike??
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:45:09 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan07.181537.6510@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu>, mfaison@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Michele Faison) writes:
> Prior to the holidays, I read a post in several of these
> newsgroups concerning commemoration of the 150th birthday of
> the French citizen who invented the bicycle but who died in the
> US.  I think there was a group raising money for a plaque and a
> ceremony or something.  Unfortunately, I managed to discard the
> details...address &/or phone number...during my
> holiday-inspired office cleanup.  
> 
> Would really appreciate it if someone would forward the note to
> me or repost the details.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Michele Faison
> 

That's funny.  I've seen a diagram by Leonardo da Vinci that sure looks like
a bike to me.  He's already credited with inventing the helicopter.

Jonathan Dodd

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Recumbents
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:08:37 GMT

freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag) writes:
: If you are going to spend $>600 on a bike
: which some people on this newsgroup do then a 'bent is the way to 
: go, unless your racing as the racing authorities have seen fit to outlaw
: 'bents.

What bothers me are people who express their opinions as facts.  I
certainly don't mind someone preferring to ride recumbents, or
advocating them but I do object to simple overly-broad statements such
as that quoted above.  There are many cyclists who do not race, have
tried both recumbents and uprights, and prefer uprights.

: I think any attitude towards 'bents and from those sitting in
: them stems from official biking's refusal to treat 'bents as legal
: bicycles for races.  

I don't believe this is true.  I do not believe that what the UCI or
USCF dictate as legal has a huge effect on the preferences of the
average rider.  Recumbents do have some advantages, primarily in terms
of comfort at relaxed paces in my opinion, but they also have some
disadvantages - increased weight, poorer climbing, poorer sprinting,
poorer cornering, poorer handling on "unimproved road" surfaces, and
more difficult storage among them depending on the exact recumbent
design.  You might reflect on what sort of attitude you engender by
effectively stating I am a stupid fashion-follower because I choose to
ride an upright.

: Why, for instance, don't you, yes YOU reading this now, ride a 'bent 
: instead of that death-trap "standard" model your on usually?  

Because I have yet to find a recumbent which suites the riding I do
better than an upright.  Do you have any statistical evidence to back up
your "death-trap" claim?

: This ought to be interesting.  

Not particularly.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: dobrien@sybase.com (Dave O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Tour Easy Recumbent Info
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:52:44 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1993Jan04.224038.28639@rchland.ibm.com> Teresa Prokop,
tmp@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>Does anybody have any first hand experience with a Tour Easy Recumbent
bike?			
>I am considering buying one and would appreciate any comments or info on
them.			 
>Thanks in advance.   

On the HPV mailing list (which always includes lots of recumbent message
traffic), Vern Shuck writes about his Tour Easy experiences. Try him at
"vschuck@zippy.sonoma.EDU".

To get on the HPV mailing list (where your request would garner lots of
responses), send a subscription request to "hpv-request@sonoma.edu" (I
think).

Hope this helps...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk (Aurelio Barranco)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black
Reply-To: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:46:00 +0000


The important thing is that unlike normal Ice, black Ice is not
easily visible to road users.

Aurelio
From: ce011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Erdman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Mountain Biking in OHIO area
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:48:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Hello,

I recently purchased a Bridgestone MB-3 and I am looking for sources
of places to ride in the state of OHIO.

Personal experience, books, or anything other source would be nice.

Please send all responses to my email address.  Thnak you for your help!


Sincerely,
Scott Erdman
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From: aaronson@wk113.nas.nasa.gov (Philip G. Aaronson)
Subject: Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:00:08 GMT

In article <SCHENG.93Jan8085458@bcarh886.bnr.ca> scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng) writes:
>
>I believe the term arises from the fact that 'clear' ice on a asphalt
>surface will make it look wet or 'black' rather than  it's normal
>medium grey colour.

Absolutely, and it looks like a black hole in the road at night with 
your lights on. At least it does to me when *gasp* I'm in my car.

Red
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Identification
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:35:36 GMT

In <1993Jan3.133555.29805@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:

>>	I do like the idea of the dog tags and will probably go to the
>>local army surplus store to get a pair.

>Hmm.  Where do these dog tags go?  In other active sports that I've been
>involved in it's always been considered a bad idea to wear anything
>around your neck that might catch on something.

Old military lore (derived from grisly experience, I'm told) is
that dog tags should be worn around the waist, since it's much
rarer to have both legs blown off than to have your head blown
off.  In either case I imagine your next of kin will care more
than you do.

My experience Dec. 26 was that the aid crew spotted the
helmet-mounted ID very quickly, and that the ID stayed stuck to
the larger of the two pieces when the foam it was stuck to
cracked.  (This was a CycleAware ID.  I wasn't on the bike
equipped with a Delta medical ID decal, so I don't know how
quickly that would have been spotted.)
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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I did a good thing today
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:31:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1993Jan7.023115.27600
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

Tim Schorer (tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu) writes:

> Around a corner comes a BIG pick-up it swerves across the line
> right at the cyclist and then back across the yellow line.
> ...
> This fellow was
> smart enoughto be doing all of this in a COMPANY TRUCK!

Other action to take:

  Write the parent company if there is one.
  Write the Better Business Bureau.
  Write the Chamber Of Commerce.
  Write your local representative, alderman, commissioner, etc.
  Notify the local newspaper.
  Spread the word to local bike clubs.

Make it known to whomever will listen that the guy's a loon and his company 
is off limits.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan)
Subject: Re: Training questions.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:11:28 GMT
Organization: HP, Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

| When you commute are you taking a relaxing ride or are you 
| getting a good work out.  

Either, depending on whether I'm on a recovery day.  The key to getting a
decent workout commuting are:

1. Having a reasonably long commute without having to stop every 100 yards.
   In my case, I have about 4 lights in 12 miles.

2. Using your heart rate monitor.  

3. Having specific goals, and working commuting in as a supplement to
   an overall training program.

Depending on the weather, I've found I can get two 35-45 minute, fairly
high-quality workouts by commuting.  This means I get about 90-100
miles/week as a base on top of my regular workouts.  

If you have unlimited time, commuting probably isn't the best way to spend
your time on a bike.  If you're very time constrained, as many of us are,
commuting can be beneficial if done as a supplement to other training.

Regards,
Kurt.