From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: The Silent Holocaust
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:08:49 GMT

In article <Nov.19.11.14.25.1992.12839@andromeda.rutgers.edu> hauk@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Keira E. Hauk) writes:
>I just galnced through this group for the first time, and I sense a lot of
>hostility...You can all beat me down however you want, but it is nothing
>compared to the silent holocaust going on every day in this country.

Silent  holocaust of what? The environment? Killer bees? Thinking people?

>
> For all those out there who have had an abortion or are considering it:  YOU 
>MADE THAT CHOICE BEFORE YOU GOT PREGNANT!  
>Ok, excluding that small percentage
>of rape victims who get pregnant.  But for the majority, don't tell me about 
>your freedoms of choice.  You made that choice the moment you had sexual 
>intercourse.  

In what way? Most of the ladies who I know who got abortions used birth 
control and this birth control failed. Some choice. Of course, you could
go with the idea that one makes the choice upon dropping her pants. This
leads to the problem of women who cannot have abortions for health reasons.
Even if you state that such women should never have sexual intercourse,
there is the case of married women who find out that they can never have
children because of this problem...AFTER THEY GET PREGNANT. Do you really
expect married couples not to consumate their marriage? Or could it be that
such women are unmarriable? Hmmmmmmmmm, that would say an awful lot
about your attitudes on women...


>What CHOICES did that baby have?  
>And how can you tell me when
>life begins?  Can you prove to me that life doen't begin until birth?  Can you
>define life? 

I can and I did, in previous posts, including in response to one you put
out directed specifically to me. (Ref. to "To Lost Boy...Thoughts Of A Fetus")

>
>What about the man.  He's not always the one to push for the abortion.  Doesn't
>he have his choices also?  Or do you also want the right to control his sperm? 

What about us men? As one man, I don't think it's a big deal. As for other
men, I don't know too many people who are so hot to trot for a kid. As far
as aborting a child and keeping this a secret from a husband, I know of
lots of dysfunctional households where women simply can't talk to their
husbands. In these cases, if women want to abort without consulting their
husbands, more power to them.

>These are just few of my many thoughts...And I must note that I wouldn't be 
>able to voice these thoughts if my birthmother had opted to have an abortion
>instead of giving me up for adoption in Bogota, Columbia!

Yes, and your mother CHOSE to have you. Doesn't that make you feel special?

>
>Also, I am a woman, if that makes any difference to you.

It doesn't. Women are no more right on this matter for being women than
men are. The only difference,  and the most important one, is that women
have to make this choice, not men. I for one see no reason to interfere
with this choice.

>
>                                        -Keira

Lost Boy


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