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From: aa@stat.ufl.edu (Alan Agresti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Another top ten list
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:58:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Nov16.205820.13998
Organization: Dept of Statistics, University of Florida

Keywords: 
 
OK, I know everyone must be sick of these lists by now, but
here's yet one more "top ten" list of folk.

1. Ian and Sylvia -- Great Speckled Bird
     Arguably the first "country-rock" album

2. Nanci Griffith -- Last of the True Believers
     Nanci at her peak, "Little Love Affairs" nearly as good

3. Bill Staines -- Whistle of the Jay
     He's written so many good songs, but this has many of
     his best.

4. Fairport Convention -- Liege and Lief
     
5. Richard and Linda Thompson -- Pour Down Like Silver
     I think this is at least as good as others that get
     more attention, e.g. "Shoot out the Lights," "I Want
     to See the Bright Lights Tonight."

6. Archie Fisher -- Off the Map
     A soothing voice for those marooned on a desert isle

7. Bok, Muir, and Trickett -- And So Will We Yet
     Their latest even tops "Turning Toward the Morning,"
     Bok's "Peter Kagan and the Wind" also indispensible

8. Stan Rogers -- Between the Breaks

9. Dick Gaughan -- Handful of Earth

10. Tim Buckley -- Dream Letter, Live in London
      Incredible for a 21-year old


Allowing for albums with greater production but a folk feel,
I would have to name Paul Brady (Hard Station), Mary Black
(By the Time it Gets Dark), Jackson Browne (For Everyman),
John Stewart (Phoenix concerts), Tom Paxton (Compleat), 
Joni Mitchell (Blue), and Gordon Lightfoot (Lightfoot, or
Don Quixote).
From: lc1r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lori Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Old Simon & Garfunkel
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:13:54 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Yes, they did indeed record as teenagers.  I believe the '45 was called
"Hey Schoolgirl."  I don't think it's ever been reissued; probably quite
the collector's item.

Lori
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,alt.music.alternative
From: gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin)
Subject: Gypsy Kings as underground college music?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:11:05 GMT

Hola!  I know the people in a.m.a will think I'm off my bit, but pleez
bare with me (sp. intentional?  :-))
Gypsy Kings (sorry, I always spell it with a "y") is gaining some
noteriety around the University of Hawai'i, and briefly got airplay on our
progressive radio station (the island's station, not college station).

Just wondering if there are any other Gypsy Kings fans out there.  As I
said, they are not specifically "alternative" but because of the campus
scene is picking up on it, I figured mebbe this is happening elsewhere.
Their music is definately alternative to mainstream (although their newer
stuff isn't as raw.... too polished, oh well).

Just a question... thassall!  If N E 1 wants more info, mebbe I can supply
some. :-)

--
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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Folk Music Stores in D.C.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:17:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

Michael Stoecker writes:

>My wife and I will be traveling through the D.C. area in a few weeks.  We
>only plan to be there a day or so, but we enjoy browsing for our favorite
>folk or traditional music artists in stores wherever we go.  
>
>Would anyone suggest a couple of folk/traditional music stores in the
>D.C. area?  I am especially partial to the Celtic flavors!  Name and 
>address (or directions to) of the stores would be appreciated.

The House of Musical Traditions in Takoma Park is an
interesting place -- a record, instrument, and
percussion instrument place -- not far from Takoma
Park metro.  It's hard to call it a destination though.

I strongly recommend getting the current Dirty Linen tour
schedule to see what's on during your visit.  Also, when
you get into town, look for a City newspaper (the local weekly)
for more performance listings.

Finally, if you post your exact dates of when you'll be
in D.C., perhaps some netters might be able to suggest
events worth checking into.

Steve

p.s. while I'm at it, I'd like to thank everybody who
responded to a similar request I made a couple months
ago about folk music stores in New England.  (yes I
did make it to the minor chord in Acton -- thanks Amy!)


Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: "Put Another Log On The Fire" et al
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
	<MARTIN.92Nov16171220@lyra.cis.umassd.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:16:27 GMT

In article <MARTIN.92Nov16171220@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes, regarding "Put Another Log On The Fire":


   It's on one of Iain Mackintosh's albums, but details will have to wait 
   until I get home.

Now that I'm at home, I see that Mackintosh credits Shel Silverstein with
authorship.  (The album is Live in Glasgow, Kettle Records, KOP-2.)
So, on the basis of some other recent posts, we have three possible authors
thus far.


--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: query: programmable audio tape recorders
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:13:42 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu

Michael Helm writes:
>Alan Rowoth writes:
>>I don't think there is a product here. Any HiFi VCR is fully 
>>equipped if you just plug the receiver's tape outs into the audio 
>> ins.

>[There may be a few mutant HIFI VCR's that can't do this.  Check 1st
>before buying.]

>Actually, there is an important item that's not covered.  The recorder
>can't control the FM tuner....

There's another item to check for -- see if the hifi VCR you're
considering has a input (record) level control -- most of them
don't, which means you have an "AGC" circuit, which will compress
the audio.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: gawne@stsci.edu
Subject: Last of the Mohicans
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:11:18 GMT

from Bill Gawne,

Hi all.  I saw "Last of the Mohicans" this weekend and the music by Clannad
and Dougie MacLain was wonderful.  The scenery of old growth forrest was
a visual treat as well.

While the film has a lot of violent scenery, I didn't think any of it was
gratuitous (in contrast to such trash as "Universal Soldier" and similar
films).  The story is well told and paced.  I recommend this to anyone who
doesn't mind a realistic story of the French & Indian war in 1757.

Again, the score is beautiful and was by itself worth the price of admission
for me.  

-Bill Gawne,  Space Telescope Science Institute
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From: mthomas@venus.tamu.edu (Mark Thomas)
Subject: Re: Query: Rednecks & white sox
Summary: Want to track down a song
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: "Rednecks & white sox", country music, social class
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:24:00 GMT

jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman) writes...
>While I lived in Virginia, ca. 1973, a lady of my acquaintance used to
>sing a wonderful piece of pop sociology that had the chorus
> 
>  No, we don't fit in with that white-collar crowd --
>  We're a little too rowdy & a little to loud.
>  There's no place that I'd rather be than right here
>  With these rednecks & white sox & Blue Ribbon beer.
> 
>Can anyone tell me who wrote it, who else sings it, and what record(s)
>it is on?
> 
"Rednecks, White Socks and Blue Ribbon Beer," credited to 
McDill-Holyfield-Neese.  The only version I know is by Johnny 
Russell (writer of "Act Naturally," done by Buck Owens and the 
Beatles, and "Making Plans," done by Porter 'n' Dolly, Johnny 
Russell, and Terry Bradshaw) on the album entitled "Rednecks,
White Socks, and Blue Ribbon Beer" (RCA APL1-0345 from 1973, 
"also available on Stereo 8" :)  ).

mthomas@tamu.edu
From: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Trotskyite Mammy
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:58:28 GMT
Reply-To: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov17.150953.11040@u.washington.edu>, joe@evolution.u.washington.edu (Joe Felsenstein) writes:
|> 
|> From the Socialist Song Book, a mimeod publication of the Young People's
|> Socialist League, New York City, dated 1959.  No editor listed but
|> with the Introduction written by Owen Fleischman.
|> 

For those interested in following such trivia & nuances, the YPSL was the
youth group of one of the other Socialist splinters, NOT the Trotskyists,
so the parody is probably intended to ridicule. If so, it misses its mark
by a bit: the YSA (youth group of the SWP, the Trotskyist splinter) kids I
knew back then would have taken it to heart and sung it with relish.
From: hauk@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Keira E. Hauk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: *** P,P & M's No Easy Walk To Freedom *** Lyrics anyone???
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:51:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Does anyone know where I might find a songbook of Peter Paul and Mary's
album "No Easy Walk To Freedom?"  I'm especially interested in the songs,
"No Easy Walk to Freedom" and "El Salvador."  If there isn't a publication
of the songs, does anyone know them offhand; the music and or the lyrics?

No Easy Walk To Freedom...Keep on walking and you shall be free
that's how we're gonna change history...as brother Martin was 
walking with me every step I heard liberty...
        (That's all I remember offhand)

...If you take the little lady for a moolit drive odds aren't so good
you'll come back alive and everyone is innocent until they arrive in El 
Salvador...There's a pop a rumble and the buildings sway, a soldier fires
the acid spray...don't you think it's time to leave El Salvador?
         (same)

                                           -Keira
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Folk Music radio is in trouble
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:30:25 GMT
Organization: none

In article <92322.154739TMH1@psuvm.psu.edu> TMH1@psuvm.psu.edu (Tina Hay) writes:
>Does anyone have any ideas about *why* folk music programs on various radio
>stations are being cancelled?
>

Perhaps _Phantom Banjo_ is not really fiction?  8-)

>
>I honestly wonder why we're doing so well, and others are not -- and I
>wonder whether I should be concerned about our fortunes changing in the
>future.  That's why I'd be interested in hearing people's theories about
>what's happening at other stations.  What are the pressures that are causing
>stations to cancel Folk?  What is it being replaced with?  And so on....

Advertisers perceive that they reach a bigger listenership for
other kinds of programming?

Fans of folk and member supported stations are not as numerous or
supportive as fans of other programming?

Sorry to be crass, people, but while it's love and folk music
that makes the world go 'round, 'tis money that pays for the
trip.



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
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From: westphal@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Dorothy Westphal)
Subject: Re: Banjo tuning?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:19:16 GMT

In article <BxyGDn.Hrw@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>Brad Greer (brad@cac.washington.edu) wrote:
>} It doesn't look like my previous post made it into the new stream, so I
>} will try once more:
>} 
>}   Can anyone tell me the standard tuning for a banjo?  It will be tuned
>} from a guitar, so relating to a standard EADGBE guitar scale would be 
>} a help.
>} 
>} -- 
>
>There are two main types of banjos: The five-string banjo, and the tenor
>banjo. Tenor banjo is used primarily in Dixieland jazz music, and also in
>irish and klezmer music. It is tuned like a viola: in fifths from C below
>middle C to A above middle C.  Tenor Banjo (lowest to highest): C G D A
>
>You are probably talking about a five-string banjo, which is used in bluegrass,
>country, and old time music. It is tuned to an open G chord. The short, high
>string is a G above middle C, and the other four strings are (lowest to
>highest): D G B D    The D, G, and B are the same as the D, G, and B on
>a guitar, and the high D is a whole step below the high E on a guitar.
>Also, don't forget that many five-string banjo players use alternate
>tunings...
>

Third possibility is plecrum banjo, long neck like 5-string,
but its 4 strings tuned (?) like 4 "normal" strings on 5, OR
guitar (ukelele ) tuning, OR whatever you want.


-- 
Dorothy Westphal, Sunnyvale, Calif. % Just when things are going your way...%
westphal@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com   %               they get even better!   %
From: jbreslin@cs.strath.ac.uk (John A Breslin IE90)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: lyric request "Travelling Light"
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:54:10 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: jbreslin@fleming-06


 Again, this is another lyrics request, this time for the 60's (?)
number "Travelling Light" - and I don't know who wrote it either.

                        thanks

                             John B.


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From: marciap@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Marcia Paulson)
Subject: SF scottish fiddlers
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:24:08 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
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[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.celtic ]
[ Author was Marcia Paulson ]
[ Posted on Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:19:25 GMT ]

The San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers and Alasdair Fraser

invite you to join us for an evening of Scottish Fiddle Music.
Take your choice:

Friday November 20
7:30PM
St. John's Presbyterian Church
727 College Ave
Berkeley, California

Information 510 525-9143


Saturday November 21
7:30PM
Luther Burbank Center for the Performing Arts
Route 101 at River Road.
Santa Rosa , California

Information 707 529-2441

Adults $8  Over 65 or under 12 $5

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From: martinf@microsoft.com (Martin Fernandez)
Subject: Re: Folk Sampler/James Taylor/"Ole Blue"
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:57:49 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

You can find James Taylor's version of Ole'Blue on 
one of Mark O'Connor' recent releases.
From: dschatz@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Schatz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Trotskyite Mammy
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:50:49 GMT
Reply-To: dschatz@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Schatz)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: dschatz@donald.cc.utexas.edu


        I'm looking for the lyrics to a wonderful song I heard at a Folklore
Society of Greater Washington (FSGW) Getaway years ago.  It's called "That
Trotskyite Mammy of Mine."  Some lines, recalled at random include,
        "That Trotskyite Mammy of mine,
        At her apron I first got my line
        And I know that in Heaven, she's lefter than Lenin,
        That Trotskyite Mammy of mine."
There was also a line about Mammy shouting at a football game, "Shoot your
captain, you morons, and bore from within!"  And something about a game played
underground, "where the best revolutions are technically found."
        Does anybody have all the lyrics to this wonderful song?  If so, please
e-mail or post them.  (Or both!)  Thanks!
                                Dan Schatz
                                dschatz@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
                                "Folking my way to the top"

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From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: "Mary Ellen Carter" a true story?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:51:29 GMT

tenny@euclid.uucp  writes:
> 
> The "liner notes" in the _Songs from Fogarty's Cove_ songbook sound as if
> the song is totally fictitious, if memory serves.  They usually note when
> a song is more or less true...

_Songs from Fogarty's Cove_ songbook?  I haven't seen that
before.  Who publishes it?  What form is the music in (piano,
guitar tab, etc.)?  Where can I get it?
From: dmr@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Daniel Rosenblum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: More folk music & politics: Tommy Sands
Summary: What exactly are Tommy Sands's politics?
Keywords: folk music, politics, Tommy Sands
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:25:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University, Graduate School of Management, Newark, N.J.

The recent threads on folk music and politics, which focused a fair
bit on Scotland and Hamish Henderson, remind me of another political
singer whose music I've enjoyed a lot, namely Tommy Sands.  He's
Irish, Northern Irish to be exact, although his politics seem unusual
to this observer on this side of the Atlantic Ocean.  He's clearly
quite left-wing, anti-imperialist, etc., as a song like "Your
Daughters and Your Sons" shows.  In Ireland, though, he's about
equally scornful of both the IRA and the UDF, as songs like "There
Were Roses" and the newer one that I don't know the title of but
that has a refrain that says "Our dreams were all the same" and
talks about lost opportunities in 1969, 1979, 1989 and 1999.  The
tendency in the States is for leftists either to support the IRA or
to support the IRA's goals while criticizing their means, and to be
thoroughly anti-UDF (given that the UDF and other Protestant
extremists receive funding from fundamentalist right-wing groups in
the States, that's not surprising; and yes, before someone accuses
me of double standards, I'm well aware of the fact that the IRA gets
lots of money from often narrow-minded Irish nationalists in the
States as well, although that probably doesn't need to be mentioned
as much here because it gets more press coverage here than the U.S.
money that goes to the Protestant groups).  An American leftist would
expect someone with Tommy Sands's progressive politics and his disgust
with the violence in Northern Ireland to support the goal of
unification while opposing the IRA's methods (I am told, for instance,
that this is the sort of position that the old Officials (Sinn Fein-
The Workers Party) and the Irish C.P. have taken, although I don't
know this for a fact).  But as far as I know here, Sands hasn't said
much on either the question of unification or of the more general
question of Ireland's economic position vis-a-vis England, which one
might expect a leftist to focus on as the source of much of the
problem.  Can anyone enlighten me on Sands's politics?
-- 
Daniel M. Rosenblum, Assistant Professor, Quantitative Studies Area,
   Graduate School of Management, Rutgers University (Newark Campus)
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From: kcl@world.std.com (Katherine C Long)
Subject: Re: Hear Music Company
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:46:20 GMT


>e343gv@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gary Varner) writes:


>I just received a copy in the mail, and it looks pretty
>interesting.  Particularly their idea of talking with well
>known performers about the music that influenced them, and
>then presenting those recordings for the reader.  Interviews
>with John Prine, k. d. lang, Suzanne Vega and Joan Baez
>among others.  I haven't ordered anything yet, so I can't
>comment on their actual service ...

>		HEAR Music
>		37 Walnut Street
>		Wellesly Hills, MA  02181
>		(800) 959-HEAR

     I've just received my first order from HEAR.  The CDs
they had in-stock came right away along with a HEAR refrigerator
magnet and extra copy of the catalog.  The shipping notice
clearly listed which CDs were backordered.  They seem like
a nice company - and I'm looking forward to their free
sampler CD (which was backordered).  I ordered from them
because they had CDs by Mary Black and Iris DeMent that I
was having no luck finding at the corner store.

  Katherine Long
  kcl@world.std.com

  8-)
   XXXXxxxx=

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From: jpmakela@klaava.Helsinki.FI (J Pekka Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: _Short,Sharp,Shocked_ Mystery Track
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:19:19 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

bac (crittend@dali.cs.unc.edu) wrote:
> at the end of Michelle Shocked's _Short,Sharp,Shocked_ CD there is a
> bonus track that isn't mentioned in the liner notes.  the song is
> quite different from the east texas folk music comprising the album in
> that it's a very fast, thrashing, screaming song with a male vocalist
> with female accompaniment.

	The tune is called "Fogtown". Miss Shocked has recorded a
	folkier version of it in the "Texas Campfire Tapes" album.

> 
> i vaguely recall an explanation for this but don't remember it.  would
> someone who knows kindly enlighten me?
>

	Miss Shocked used to be a guitarist in a hardcore punk band
	before turning to more acoustic music. Probably that tune is
	from her earlier period.

	This is not much of an explanation, but that's all I know about
	the song. 

					-jPM
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From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Loreena McKennitt tour dates/places request
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:27:18 GMT
Distribution: world
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I'd heard that someone posted the list of places Loreena McKennitt was touring.
Seems I missed the post here;  would some kind soul mail me a copy?

Thanks!

Mark Fausett
mfausett@bbn.com
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Subject: query:folk sampler-old blue
From: <JMCLAUGH@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 16:19:31 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I am a new reader and regret I discarded the original message for the informati
on on the tune OLD BLUE recorded by james taylor heard on a Folk Sampler progra
m.  The song is on the Mark O'Connor Warner Bros. recording On The Mark.  I thi
nk it is one of the nicest arrangements of the song in years.
 
Jan McLaughlin
HELP CMS MENU
 
 
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Origin and meaning of the word klezmer
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:25:29 GMT

skravis@garnet.csis.dit.csiro.au (Simon Kravis):
>Can anyone tell me what the word klezmer means ? (presumably it's 
>Yiddish in origin)

It's Yiddish, derived from the Hebrew "klei zmera", which means
"musical instruments".

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
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