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From: gjjr@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Joseph Riolo)
Subject: Audio port pinout?
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:28:11 GMT

Hello everyone out there in sun land.  Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New 
Year. Anyway back to my question, I have just purchased a sparc 1+ compatible 
and the documentation on the audio port was nill.  Does anyone know what the 
pinout would be for it??  I would like to do some recording and maybe hook it 
up to my reciever to get a better sound!!  THanks to all!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mike@inftec.be (Mike Aerts)
Subject: Re: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
Organization: Information Technologies, Wemmel, Belgium.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:18:08 GMT

In article <DLA.92Dec20103747@se05.wg2.waii.com> dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes:
>Its still SUNOS ..... SUNOS 5.0 .... Solaris 2.X is a name for a group
>of items, SUNOS 5.0, OpenWindows 3.X, DeskSet, etc ....
>
>The  main  thing  is its SUNOS 5.0 ...  its stil SUNOS ... but its new
>and improved.
If they sold MS-DOS, OS/2 or Windows NT as SUNOS 6.0 would you still
pretend it's SUNOS. :-() :-).
It's a transition to System V R.4, so what's new?
Improved? This is a religious point, some think so, others don't 
feel that way.

mike.
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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sun Device Driver HELP, PLEASE
Keywords: lots-o-meg
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:12:52 GMT
Organization: cic

andre@caip.rutgers.edu (Timothy Andre) writes:


>I am working on a loadable device driver under SunOS 4.1.2 on a Sun
>4/260.  The board I am writing the driver for has a couple of control
>registers and a large chunk of DRAM.  Once the control registers are
>mapped into the driver, I am able to query the board as to the
>physical address and size of the DRAM.  I use this information to then
>map in the DRAM.  With the 4MB DRAM option, I am able to map the
>entire DRAM with no problems using rmalloc() followed by mapin().
>However, with the 16MB DRAM option, it seems that rmalloc() fails as
>it returns 0 (Sun's device driver manual does not specify what
>rmalloc() returns on failure, so I assume 0 means it failed), which
>then causes mapin() to panic with "panic: Memory address alignment".
>However, if I open /dev/vme32d32 and use mmap() to map the entire 16MB
>DRAM, it succeeds.  How can I map in the entire DRAM from my driver?

>The driver itself does not need to see the whole DRAM, only the top
>1MB.  But I think I need to map the whole thing in so that a user
>program can use mmap() to get at the DRAM.

You ran out of kernel address space.

If your driver maps the top 1 MB, it can still support mmap for
the user. The cookies it returns are different, though. I can't
tell you offhand what they must look like, sorry.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dougvoss@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Douglas Voss)
Subject: Sun 3/60 SCSI Port
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:48:11 GMT

I have heard a couple of vague references to problems with the SCSI
port on Sun 3/60's.  

Can anyone confirm/deny the existence of a problem?  Further can
anyone fill me in on the details?  (which pins are wrong etc)

Thanks!

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From: cse0935@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SUN2/120 ??
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:25:56 GMT
Organization: Wright State University



 (1)  I recently purchased a SUN2/120.  Was this stupid??

 (2)  Does anyone have any hardware/documentation for a SUN 2/120??

 (3)  How much is a SUN 2/120 worth??

 (4)  Where can i get X11R5 binaries for my SUN2/120?

thankyou in advance.

please respond to:

   jprikkel@discover.wright.edu ( 130.108.125.1 )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mh@awds.imsd.contel.com (Mike Hoegeman)
Subject: In need of a format.dat entry for the 1.2 gig micropolis 2115
Keywords: disk micropolis sun format.dat
Organization: GTE Federal Systems, Westlake Village, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:31:25 GMT

I need some help.  I have a micropolis 1.2 gig drive (model # 2115).
As usual though, the documentation for it has been lost. Can some kind
soul out there who has a format.dat entry for this drive help me out? A
pointer to any kind of format.dat archive collection would be
appreciated too (If there is such a thing).  My email address is...

	mh@wx.gtegsc.com

Thank you.
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From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
Date: 1 Jan 93 06:06:21 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <C03HLL.41z@fsg.com>, msf@fsg.com (Michael S. Fischbein) writes:
> 
> Contrast this with the complete lack of committment on their
> competitor's parts in developing OSF/1 shortly thereafter.  Neither IBM
> nor DEC, nor any of the other OSF players ever actually committed to
> *using* OSF/1 on their machines. .... 
> 
  That will be very unexpected news to the several hundred software vendors
  porting applications to DEC Alpha OSF/1 systems .....


  Given the character of a large minority of postings in this group, why not
  split off a COMP.SUN.FANCLUB ?  Definitely would more accurately reflect 
  the accuracy of the "information" in these postings.  Maybe Bill
  Joy could be prevailed upon to send out secret vi rings to posters who
  meet the appropriate standards.  You know, postings such as "SUN owns the
  lion's share of the workstation market",  "SUN's marketing strategy is to
  build slow workstations",  "all unices except SUNOS suck", etc, etc........
  :-)  :-) .......


  Happy new year, everyone.

  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.hardware:6517 comp.sys.sun.misc:6009
From: sundar@fiber-one.ai.mit.edu (Sundar Narasimhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x - how ?
Keywords: Enterprising opportunity
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.1h5hbaINN80i
Reply-To: sundar@ai.mit.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: fiber-one.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec20.230357.16102@fulcrum.oz.au>, paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham) writes:
|> 
|> I think that the move to Solaris 2 will not be as bad as everyone thinks.
|> 
|> -PaulR.
Can someone in the know, summarize for me the technical differences
between Solaris 2. and SunOS 4.1.x that one needs to be aware of, when
porting from the latter to the former? (If this has already been discussed
I'd appreciate it if someone could mail be a saved copy of the discussion).

Thanks much.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Sun's GUI and OS mistakes (was Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:40:08 GMT

In article <16031@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
>>Tried this for a while, the biggest problem was dismissing popups (which of
>>course came up without pins) without killing the primary application. This 
>>could just have been my ignorance and might have been avoidable with some
>>option in .twmrc, but there were other problems with the appearance and 
>>behavior of the windows etc.
>
>Sounds like it's a window-manager problem then - not entirely
>surprising.  Maybe if the ICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCM expands a bit, it'll be
>possible to have the OPEN LOOK toolkits in question work better with
>non-OL window managers, if they're ICCCCCCCCCCCCCM-compliant.
>
>I think there is a way of getting ".twmrc" to dismiss popups; you might
>check out the "comp.windows.open-look" FAQ - I think you bind something
>to "f.delete" and use that to dismiss the popup.  Dunno about the other
>problems you mention, as I don't have enough details....

I second the notion of using f.delete - as far as I've ever seen, that's
all that's required.

We regularly run openlook apps under twm. Actually, we often run
pretty much everything under everything - motif, OL, and more generic 
X apps under OW3 and R5/twm. there have been a few minor quirks, but
nothing we haven't been able to beat without undue effort. 

-bacon

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no (Steinar Haug)
Subject: Re: SMD drives and the Sparc 690MP
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:10:32 GMT

erl@powell.cs.jt.dk (Erik Bruijn Larsen) writes:
> As far as I know it is possible to plug a SMD controller in the Sparc 690MP.
> In one month or so I have to do the same like you.
> Our dealer told me that it is possible, so I trust him.
> SMD controllers should also be supported by Solaris 2.x.

Yes, it is possible *if* you get the CONSULT-GDS special. Standard 4.1.2 or
4.1.3 will *not* let you put an SMD controller on a 690.

Steinar Haug, system/networks administrator
SINTEF DELAB, University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Email: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no, 
	sthaug@idt.unit.no, steinar@tosca.er.sintef.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: mcdono@nosc.mil (Tim McDonough )
Subject: Re: SuperSparc Multiprocessor upgrade for 6
Summary: How to id Super/Micro SPARC processors?
Reply-To: mcdono@nosc.mil
Organization: NCCOSC, NRaD Division
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:59:10 GMT

I've just received a SS10. Some confusion whether it's a Model
20 or Model 30? Board says TMS390 . A list would be great.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jburne@spock.uucp (John Burnette)
Subject: Re: Iomega flopticals on Classic/LX
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:38:47 GMT

Does anyone know if the Iomega Floptical can be used on a 4/330?


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Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.hardware:6519 comp.sys.sun.misc:6010 alt.sys.sun:3526 comp.sys.sun.wanted:2092 comp.unix.solaris:439
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc,alt.sys.sun,comp.unix.sun,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Need to patch ip_input.o - help wanted
Date: 26 Dec 1992 09:38:37 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au

I am trying to implement some ip packet filtering on a sparc running OS4.1.2
that is used as a sort of gateway.

I was referred to a program called "screend" that Jeffrey Mogul implemented for
Ultrix many years ago, that has a simple filter in the kernel that shunts packets
out to a user process for decisions.

It works by intercepting calls to ip_forward() that occur in ip_intr(), and
selectively passing on packets to the real ip_forward().

My problem is that I don't have a source license for SunOS and so:

1. I need to check that the arguments to ip_forward() are the same as in the BSD
derived Ultrix.

2. If I can't get some kind soul with a source license to send me a copy of
that one module (ip_input.c) (anyone at Sun listening ? want to send me one
module from an obsolete os ? :) actually two, I need if.c as well), then

How does one patch in a new routine into a precompiled module ? I know how
to use adb to find the call, but I am not sure how to patch in a reference to
an alternative routine in another module, and add that reference to the symbol
table and relocation information in the precompiled ip_input.c.

Any hints would be gratefully appreciated. This is just a one-of but it would be
nice to get it working.

Could you cc any replies to me via email ? My news is a bit retarded at the
moment :( 

Thanks ... david

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: DEC RZ55 /etc/format.dat entry (still) needed
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:25:50 GMT

In article <18216@autodesk.COM> dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith) writes:
>> 	Anyone have this?  The DEC /etc/disktab entry is:
>> rz55|RZ55|DEC RZ55 Winchester:\
>>         :ty=winchester:ns#36:nt#15:nc#1224:\
>>         :pa#32768:ba#8192:fa#1024:\
>	Still need this, the format program is asking
>me things I don't know.  I have DEC's around and that helps a little,
>but I really could use a hardware manual about now.  Is this really a
>CDC of some sort?

Well, we were doing this just yesterday under Solaris 2.1, and used the
Ultrix disktab entry (most everything else is the "default"), only to find
that the format program couldn't label the drive.  So I suggested just
calling the drive a "SUN0327", and it formatted and labelled like a charm.
I think you lose about 10mb or so of space compared to a more rigorously
derived format.dat entry.

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From: kent@tfd.COM (Kent Hauser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: What 'large' internal disks can be used with SS2?
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:36:07 GMT
Organization: Twenty-First Designs, Wash, DC


Could someone recommend drives for internal use in a SparcStation II?

I've heard there are thermal problems with some drives, but I thought
that was a SS1 problem only.

Please respond by mail, as our newsfeed will be intermittent for
the next few weeks.

Kent
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: UNIX-layout Type 5 keyboards (was Re: SunOS 4.1 upgrade to Sol. 2.1...)
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:39:04 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>is this why we have received several IPX's with the type-5 kbd which are
>different from the type-5 kbd's we received with some sparc10's?

Yup.

>On the IPX's the ctrl key is to the left of the 'a' key,

That's a UNIX-layout Type 5.

>whereas on the sparc10's the key to the left of 'a' is caps lock.

That's a "PC-layout" Type 5.
From: wilko@russia.idca.tds.philips.nl (Wilko Bulte)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: How does one boot a Sun 2 without a video card?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:14:24 GMT

rflukes@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard F. Lukes) writes:

>Hello,
> 
>I am trying to boot a Sun 2 (68010) system which has no video
>subsystem.  I would like to attach a VT100 to one of the CPU's
>serial lines and use that as a console.  How do I go about doing
>this?  Do I need special boot PROM's?  (I have both versions of the
>Sun 2 CPU board.)

>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>Thanks,
>--Rich

Connect the VT100 to ttya. Both CPU boards default to a serial console
when no framebuffer is found. No PROMs to be changed. BTW 9600 baud.
After a reset (powerup) the diagnostics etc display their info on
the VT.

Wilko
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From: mcdono@nosc.mil (Tim McDonough CSC Room 191 Phone 553 3102 )
Subject: How to id Super/Micro SPARC processors?
Reply-To: mcdono@nosc.mil
Organization: NCCOSC, NRaD Division
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:12:54 GMT

I've just received a SS10. Some confusion whether it's a Model
20 or Model 30? Board says TMS390 . A list would be great.
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sun's GUI and OS mistakes (was Re: LX and SUNOS 4.x)
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:40:42 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Tried this for a while, the biggest problem was dismissing popups (which of
>course came up without pins) without killing the primary application. This 
>could just have been my ignorance and might have been avoidable with some
>option in .twmrc, but there were other problems with the appearance and 
>behavior of the windows etc.

Sounds like it's a window-manager problem then - not entirely
surprising.  Maybe if the ICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCM expands a bit, it'll be
possible to have the OPEN LOOK toolkits in question work better with
non-OL window managers, if they're ICCCCCCCCCCCCCM-compliant.

I think there is a way of getting ".twmrc" to dismiss popups; you might
check out the "comp.windows.open-look" FAQ - I think you bind something
to "f.delete" and use that to dismiss the popup.  Dunno about the other
problems you mention, as I don't have enough details....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: fbaos@nuscc.nus.sg (Ozekici Suleyman (DR))
Subject: Benchmarks of SS10
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:02:58 GMT


Hello...
	Is there any ftp site holding the benchmarks for the SS10's ?
I'd like to have a list comparing the performance of Sparc10 against Sparc2's
as well as the 600 series (mp)

Thanks...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: nanook@eskimo.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Sun 3/280 What is max memory?
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:13:57 GMT


     Is there anybody out there who has more than 32 megs of RAM in
a Sun 3/280 and actually has it working?  That is to say the system sees
and uses the memory above 32megs?

     The configuration guide says 32 megs is the max, but there are only
4 slots for memory and Sun only made 8 meg memory cards, so using Sun memory
I would expect 32 megs to be the max because of physical limitations.

     But I've heard second hand from two different sources now of people
using 3rd party memory cards to go to 64 megs.

     Right now I've got two Sun 8-meg cards and a Clearpoint 16-meg card.
I tried stuffing in another Sun 8-meg card and then the system only recognized
16 megs rather than 40, or even the 32 that already existed.

     If there is a way to go over 32 megs on a Sun 3/280 I'd love to hear
about it.  If you've got one configured with over 32 megs and it actually
recognizes it, I'd love to hear what you did to get it to work.

     Thanks in advance!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: rflukes@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard F. Lukes)
Subject: How does one boot a Sun 2 without a video card?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:29:41 GMT

Hello,
 
I am trying to boot a Sun 2 (68010) system which has no video
subsystem.  I would like to attach a VT100 to one of the CPU's
serial lines and use that as a console.  How do I go about doing
this?  Do I need special boot PROM's?  (I have both versions of the
Sun 2 CPU board.)

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
--Rich
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From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank)
Subject: SuperSparc Multiprocessor upgrade for 670MP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Reply-To: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank)
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:35:21 GMT


Has a shipping date and price been set for multiprocessor upgrades for  
670MP systems?  I have 2 two-processor Sparc 2 modules and would like to  
upgrade to the same configuration with the new processors.

I realize the upgrade is not shipping yet, but I would like to know when  
it will be available.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: paul@dvorak.cis.nctu.edu.tw (Paul W. Shew)
Subject: Re: URGENT! format.dat for MICROP 1598, please!
Keywords: format.dat
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:54:34 GMT

|> My earlier post might have problem. Well, I've got a Micropolis 1.2G hard disk
|> (1598-15MD) which I am installing to my SUN IPC. I need the format.dat for the
|> disk urgently. Thanks ...

Thanks to all who have sent me the information. Anyway, I've discovered that
the "format" utility reads the disk geometry from the disk controller. As
this intelligent drive supplies the necessary information, we don't really
need the format.dat! In fact, from my experience, taking the default values
suggested by "format" gives the optimal disk space utilization.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Why is Sun abandoning SunOS4.1.3?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:50:35 GMT

In article <root.725919544@maui> kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb) writes:
>>  That will be very unexpected news to the several hundred software vendors
>>  porting applications to DEC Alpha OSF/1 systems .....
>Why is it that DEC (at least locally) refuses to give a release date
>for OSF on Alpha then?  At this point, only VMS is supposed to be
>available on Alpha.  From what I understand, OSF will be available
>93Q3, but what about the old Ultrix vendors who are hosed?  Sounds
>like the same complaint that's being lodged against sun.


1) they don't know themselves
2) they want to leave themselves lots of time to back out of the whole
OSF thing if it blows up in their face (and if no one else jumps on
the bandwagon, I'd count that as a blowup)
3) they don't want to do like everyone else does and announce a date
and then have to miss it cause they cant get done in time

-bacon
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