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From: Belgarion@mad.UUCP (Kevin Nikiforuk)
Subject: Re: Eddings gave up on Malloreon - rumour?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
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Date: 29 Dec 92 11:26:55 MST
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David Wai (wai@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
: In article <Bzo1n9.I50@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> u2d92@seq1.keele.ac.uk (MJ Gumbley) writes:
: >Hello all,
: >
: >  A friend of mine told me that David Eddings was getting tired of writing
:                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: How about the possibility that he finished the series?
: 
: >the Malloreon, and there won't be another series, no separate stories, etc.
: >
: >  Is this true? Will there be any more stories set in this world?
: [rest of posting deleted]
: 
: IMHO, Eddings has decided enough has been written about Garion and
: friends.  I mean, he is forging ahead with another double series
: (Elenium/Tamuli).
: 
: Actually, I think the Belgariad/Mallorean series has finished in a
: very nice place.  I think we can rest assured that Eriond can keep the
: world peaceful and happy, and that it would be too boring to write
: another book about it. :-) :-)

I agree that now that Eriond has taken Torak's place and the there's now only one Prophesy in the Belgariad/Malloreon reality, trying to come up with another adventure would be pretty lame.  I mean, what could Eddings possibly come up with to rival Torak and Zandramas?  The Bear Cult?  Not likely.

: On that note, how do people (and especially fans :-) feel about the
: concept that "enough is enough" and that there comes a time when a
: story must stop?  Or what about *gasp* that ideas are no longer new
: and refeshing?  Just something to think about.

Though I'll miss Belgarion and the other characters, I do think that it's time to let it go.  However, I think that Eddings could do some wonderful stuff with all of that wonderful stuff that happened around the time of the recovery of the Orb and Vo Mimbre.  Just a thought.

: Finally, something I have not seen mentioned in this group: Does
: anyone have an opinion on _The Losers_?

I liked _The_Losers_.  While it was very different from anything by Eddings which I had read before (no kidding) I found it to be very gritty and hard edged.  It took huge shots at the city of Seattle as well as the American "Welfare" system.  The characters were real and believable and so was the environment.  A good read.
From: cupcake@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings gave up on Malloreon - rumour?
Keywords: Belgariad Mallorean new other book
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:55:59 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

tony@atto.engr.mun.ca (Anthony H Galway) writes:

> from the others might be nice. I'd sorta like to know what is so special
> about Polgara's twins for one thing. I really disliked Ce'Nedra and hoped


I think that the *EVENT* of the twins' arrival was that was one of the
momentous things that coudn't happen while everything was repeating becasue of
the prophesy.  I'm thinking here, so please bear with me.  Since everything
was repeated, even Polgara's lack of children, she COULDN'T have any BECAUSE
of the prophesy being unfulfilled.  So that when the twins did arrive, that
freed many things and allowed (or would proved be a better word?) things to go
along the "natural course", like the Marags to return as a fully-fledged race
again, and the Gods going on thier own ways, with the exception of Eriond who
stayed behind.  So that sort of proved that things were going along the proper
course.  Belgarath talks about this on a hill close to the cottage to Garion
and Durnik.  Then, when one of the twins were born, there was a lot of light
and when the second was born, there was a whole sky of light and then the Gods
all made a last appearance.





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From: cupcake@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings and Chirstmas ?
Keywords: Eddings, Christmas
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:51:09 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

njewijn@cs.vu.nl (Wijngaards NJE) writes:

> I seem to remember that in the Belgariad Eddings introduced a feast
> called "Erastide", in which Garion got his first dagger, on which he
> cut his finger to which Aunt Pol remarked "It was inevatable (sp?)".
> 
> I have read the Belgariad, Mallorian and the Elenium (the only one I
> own) and I can't remember any other reference to a feast slightly
> related to Christmas.
> 
> Or have I missed something in one of the books? If you're going to
> re-read them - have a look, please :-)


I've read them all (the Belgariad and the Mallorean) to much length..if yoy
know what I mean.  (I'm not MUCH of a sap...I just like them)  And the only
referance to X-mas was Erastide.  I have yet to get the Elenium because of
lack of funds, times are hard...everyone in Canada who is a parent knows this,
so I can't say for the Elenium.


Lady Cupcake
aka Elizabeth


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From: njewijn@cs.vu.nl (Wijngaards NJE)
Subject: Eddings and Chirstmas ?
Summary: Does Eddings incorporate Christmas in his books?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:02:03 GMT


Hello out there,               
                               
having my exams in january and february I do have time to write / post
an article ;-)                 
                               
I seem to remember that in the Belgariad Eddings introduced a feast
called "Erastide", in which Garion got his first dagger, on which he
cut his finger to which Aunt Pol remarked "It was inevatable (sp?)".
                               
I have read the Belgariad, Mallorian and the Elenium (the only one I
own) and I can't remember any other reference to a feast slightly
related to Christmas.          
                               
Or have I missed something in one of the books? If you're going to
re-read them - have a look, please :-)
                               
(Hope this post is in correspondence with the season...)
                               
Merry Xmas and a happy, eddings-full new-year!
                               
                               
                                                                Niek

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From: dfulton@tagore.helios.nd.edu (david fulton)
Subject: Re: Hello out there?
Reply-To: dfulton@handel.helios.nd.edu (Dave Fulton)
Organization: Department of Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:00:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.163750.29217@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jessica Raine) writes:
|> 
|> 	There have not been many articles appearing lately because most of
|> the people (?) who post here are college students. Therefore, most of us
|> are involved with taking exams and catching up on all the work we didn't
|> do during the semester 'cos we were hanging out on the Internet. :)
|> 
|> Jessica Raine | st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
|> "By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes."--The Bard
|> "Please tell me two things. First, what is this thing called love? And 
|> second, how is it to be distinguished from insanity?"--PATIENCE


This is just an observation, but I think most of the people have moved to 
	the new group  alt.fan.tolkien  
				
						Dave

					
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The moon may be smaller than Earth, but it's further away.
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From: davidne@microsoft.com (David Nelson)
Subject: Re: Garion/Ce'Nedra <--> Durnik/Polgara
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:42:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Hmmm

In article <BzFvL5.6JC@news.ucs.mun.ca>, jfarrell@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (James Farrell) writes:
> (apologies if this has already been covered)
> 
> OK, Whan Aldur was talking to Polgara about restoring Durnik, he said
> "Marriage must be a joining of equals, my daughter. How could this good,
> brave man be husband to thee, so long as _thy_ power remains"
> 
> In other words, they had to be on the same footing.
> 
> Now what about Garion and Ce'Nedra. How come this union was allowed to
> take place (other than simply _PROPHESY_). Will Ce'Nedra grow old and
> die while Garion becomes another "Eternal Man"?
> 
> This has been bothering me for a while. I would apperciate the comments
> of others.
> 
> Jim Farrell
>  
>  
> -- 
> ********************************************************************
> * Jim Farrell  -  Memorial University of Newfoundland (ie. CANADA) *
> * These are my opinions, so BUGGER OFF!!!                          * 
> ********************************************************************


Okay, 
here's my two cents on the matter. At the time of Durnik's ressurection Aldur
asked Polgara about the necessity of being on Equal terms with her husband to
be. To allow the marriage to occur, Durnik's WILL power was unlocked. ( either
by his death or by the Gods.) This put D&P on eqaul terms, both in life span
and in power. In the case of Belgarion and Ce'nedra, Thing were pretty much
already equal ( or would be soon ). Ce'nedra, being a Dryad, would live a
pretty long time as it is. I'd imagine that her tree could be continually
renewed by Garion as he chooses, and al long as her tree is alive, so is
she, barring any phyical attacks. As for power, if you count political
power as a form of power, she ranks right up there with Belgarion. ( Even
before her marriage..) Not too mention the amulate that was given to her
by Belgarion / Belgareth / and Polgara. That has a good amount of mystical
power ascribed unto it. We've just seen ( or read about) the listening and
speaking powers it has. I'd imagine that a mental scream ( especially from
Ce'nedra ) would really HURT when it goes careening aroung your head a few
times..:):)

That's  just my thoughts on this matter..

Dave Nelson


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From: tony@atto.engr.mun.ca (Anthony H Galway)
Subject: Re: Eddings gave up on Malloreon - rumour?
Keywords: Belgariad Mallorean new other book
Reply-To: tony@jeeves.engr.mun.ca
Organization: C-CAE, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:17:51 GMT

wai@unixg.ubc.ca (David Wai) writes:

>On that note, how do people (and especially fans :-) feel about the
>concept that "enough is enough" and that there comes a time when a
>story must stop?  Or what about *gasp* that ideas are no longer new
>and refeshing?  Just something to think about.

	I think that a book along the same line would be very repeatitive,
but a some single books about the individuals with maybe cameo appearances
from the others might be nice. I'd sorta like to know what is so special
about Polgara's twins for one thing. I really disliked Ce'Nedra and hoped
that she was going to be the one that died in the Mallorean so I really
don't care to hear anymore from her, but a book set far in the future
after her tree dies and garion is alone might be interesting ... See if 
he takes over as the Eternal Man.
--
Tony Galway                           Life is what happens while you're 
C-CAE                      |\_/|    making other plans.
Memorial University        (` ')
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From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jessica Raine)
Subject: Re: Hello out there?
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:37:50 GMT

	There have not been many articles appearing lately because most of
the people (?) who post here are college students. Therefore, most of us
are involved with taking exams and catching up on all the work we didn't
do during the semester 'cos we were hanging out on the Internet. :)

Jessica Raine | st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
"By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes."--The Bard
"Please tell me two things. First, what is this thing called love? And 
second, how is it to be distinguished from insanity?"--PATIENCE
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From: njewijn@cs.vu.nl (Wijngaards NJE)
Subject: Eddings and Chirstmas ?
Summary: Does Eddings incorporate Christmas in his books?
Keywords: Eddings, Christmas
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:56:45 GMT

Hello out there,

having my exams in january and february I do have time to write / post
an article ;-)

I seem to remember that in the Belgariad Eddings introduced a feast
called "Erastide", in which Garion got his first dagger, on which he
cut his finger to which Aunt Pol remarked "It was inevatable (sp?)".

I have read the Belgariad, Mallorian and the Elenium (the only one I
own) and I can't remember any other reference to a feast slightly
related to Christmas.

Or have I missed something in one of the books? If you're going to
re-read them - have a look, please :-)

(Hope this post is in correspondence with the season...)

Merry Xmas and a happy, eddings-full new-year!


								Niek
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    | \ \  |  |	  Department of Computer Science and Mathematics,
    |  \|\/ \/	  	  Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam.
From: cd678@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul E. Rybski)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Belgarion
Date: 29 Dec 1992 00:10:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


If Garion can create a flower from a twig, which then goes on to
become a field of flowers, all of which are "sovereign antidotes"
I think we can assume that any powerful sorcerer can look however
he/shwants.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
From: sb102760@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: Cover Art Gif ?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:26:53 GMT


Hi,
	I am new to this group, so here's wishing everyone a Happy New Year.
	The discussion of the Cover Art got me intrigued.

	Anyone able to scan the covers and maps into GIF files and post them
	to an anonymous ftp site ?

	Mucho Gracias.

ET
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From: wljohnso@nyx.cs.du.edu (William johnson)
Subject: Re: Domes of Fire
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:19:12 GMT


Well I am about 1/2 way through "Domes of Fire" and I gotta admit I do
enjoy reading it.  But it is a very qualified enjoyment and I chose to
read "The Kings Bucanneer" by Raymond Fiest first....But hey Fiest is a
better writer than Eddings.  Or atleast less predictable..

While I do like the word the Tamuli is set is, and all the characters from
the Elenium.  Its just the SAME OLD STUFF, and that gets old.  Its just
another David Eddings vs GOD(s) again.  I

Maybe my opinion will change after I finish "Domes of Fire," probably not.
And hey its not like I am not going to buy his next n-1 books in hardcover
anyways...(I admit I am weak that way..)

-------William Johnson

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From: hawkwind@rahul.net (Bhroam Mann)
Subject: Re: Garion/Ce'Nedra <--> Durnik/Polgara
Organization: a2i network
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:13:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.020410.12296@Princeton.EDU> dagolden@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Alexandre Golden) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.132647.5811@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> crosby@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Crosby) writes:
>
>>Yes, she lives a long time, but her age is definately finite.  Remember:  In 
>>_King of the Murgos_ the Dryad queen (Xena?) said she would be dieing soon. 
>>So, the problem just gets put off--but it still comes around.   And then there
>>is the problem of the royal heir.  Geran is going to be sitting around a long 
>>bloody time, and since he is probably not sorcerous, will probably die before 
>>Garion.
>
>How about abdication?  Garion was never really cut out to be king anyway.  So
>raise Geran to be king, abdicate, and then go off to do whatever the rest of
>the sorcerers are doing now that they are essentially out of the "lets save
>the world business".
but what would Ce'Nedra say about that ? she's the one making charts on how 
politically powerful she was(the lists about who was the most powerful woman 
in the world.. the book escapes my memory.. all the books slide together in memory)

Bhroam

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                            hawkwind@a2i.rahul.net
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From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings gave up on Malloreon - rumour?
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

>Finally, something I have not seen mentioned in this group: Does
>anyone have an opinion on _The Losers_?

I happened to love the book... I'm not sure exactly what it was about it I liked,
because it was in a style at setting I don't usually find very interesting... but I
found that once I put it down, I kept getting drawn back too it... very good, overall..
I hope eddings does more like this...

:)
From: dkf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Different Cover Artwork (was Re: Domes of Fire)
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:10:47 GMT
Reply-To: dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Dec31.002803.1045@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au> rodney@larri.bhpese.oz.au (Rodney Lewis) writes:
>>>I thoroughly enjoyed it.  I've now seen the US edition and I notice that the
>>>cover art is different and the maps in the US edition are more detailed. 
[...] 
>
>What would be nice is if some kind person with a scanner could
>scan in some of these different artworks and either post them or put
>them up for FTP. It'd be great to see them all. Does anyone know if
>someone has already done this?
>

Great idea. Could the maps also be posted for careful comparison? 
Thanx.

Donal.
--
"Everything that is not nailed down is mine.
 Everything that I can pry loose is not nailed down."
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From: dagolden@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Alexandre Golden)
Subject: Re: Garion/Ce'Nedra <--> Durnik/Polgara
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.132647.5811@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> crosby@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Matthew Crosby) writes:

>Yes, she lives a long time, but her age is definately finite.  Remember:  In 
>_King of the Murgos_ the Dryad queen (Xena?) said she would be dieing soon. 
>So, the problem just gets put off--but it still comes around.   And then there
>is the problem of the royal heir.  Geran is going to be sitting around a long 
>bloody time, and since he is probably not sorcerous, will probably die before 
>Garion.

How about abdication?  Garion was never really cut out to be king anyway.  So
raise Geran to be king, abdicate, and then go off to do whatever the rest of
the sorcerers are doing now that they are essentially out of the "lets save
the world business".

>This problem has been debated endlessly in this group, with no real
>result.  It is my opinion that Eddings just doesn't want to deal with this,
>so he ignores it, and it remains one of those things that really aren't meant
>to be answered.  Immortality has always presented problems like this to autho\
>and the only one I can think of who has ever tackled them was Tolkien.

Zelazny?  Heinlein?




-- 
David A. Golden '95           (dagolden@phoenix.princeton.edu)
Princeton University
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From: wljohnso@nyx.cs.du.edu (William Johnson)
Subject: Cover Art
Summary: Elmore Is Over Rated 
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Keywords: Stinky, Poor, Rushed
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 07:39:39 GMT

Well I would have liked to have seen Parkinson do the cover for DoF, since
I think he is one of the better artists in his genre. Unlike Larry Elmore
who is just mediocre and prolific.

Sounds like the UK cover is cooler, if it is Parkinson who actually did
it. Too bad American's got shafted with well, poor cover art.

Sure I should not judge a book by its cover, but I do not like the DoF
cover and find little interesting, intruiging or exciting.

Well as for the insides....it seems Dave is up to his usual writing style.
While good and fun its nothing terribly special, anymore.  Which is too
bad because he is a good writer, just apparently a "one trick pony" in the
fantasy realm.

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From: dagolden@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Alexandre Golden)
Subject: Re: Cover Art
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Stinky, Poor, Rushed
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:02:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.073939.29069@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wljohnso@nyx.cs.du.edu (William Johnson) writes:

>Well as for the insides....it seems Dave is up to his usual writing style.
>While good and fun its nothing terribly special, anymore.  Which is too
>bad because he is a good writer, just apparently a "one trick pony" in the
>fantasy realm.

Perhaps "Dave" is a one trick pony, but his trick is what keeps me reading
his books.  OK, so his theme never really changes, but there are almost no
new themes anymore anyway.  (Someone mentioned Robert Jordan the other day:
Young man discovers sorcery and is prophecied to challenge the "Dark One" is
all that series boils down to.)

What Eddings seems to do better than most is describe realistic characters
that interact realistically.  They banter, they joke, they tease, and they
get serious or sad or pissed off, and it almost never seems contrived.  They
laugh at the world even when in the face of great danger.  I will admit that
he tends to repeat character types, but that may be a factor of his choice
of thematic material.

Does anyone know if Eddings has written material with a different theme or
set in modern times?

Dave Golden


-- 
David A. Golden '95           (dagolden@phoenix.princeton.edu)
Princeton University