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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.185128.5357@news.nd.edu> mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>Jim Cowling's list isn't bad, although I take exception with a few of
>his choices (but who wouldn't ;), here's someone he left off the list...
>
>DEAN MOTTER: Another great "visual artist". Unfortunately he doesn't do
>nearly enough of his own work, instead I most often see his name as 
>"Publication Design Specialist" or some such thing. A good example of
>how his art savy can really make a comic book work is in the Hellblazer
>story "Sundays are Different" (#33 for all of you who should run out and
>buy it).

Oh, hell!  I forgot one!

Yes, Motter's work is brilliant, but especially as a graphic designer.  His
stuff has appeared in more Print Design Annuals and Communication Arts Design
issues than I care to count.

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Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JOHN BYRNE CALLS PETER DAVID OUT, SHOWDOWN AT HIGH NOON
Date: 14 Dec 1992 03:22:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <71634@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>I did a column about Usenet two years ago.  You must have blinked.
>
>PAD

Do you still have it on file?  If so, could you please repost it?  I would be
interested in seeing it.
Thanks.
		--MikE...How could I have blinked?  I hadn't even heard of
			Usenet two years ago!  (I'm only a freshman, y'know.;)

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From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:37:40 -0800
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ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes:
>  I don't have my issues on hand, but I thought that it was either
>stated or indicated that Lucifer was more powerful than Satan. Satan
>could not take on the other two members of the triumverate alone and
>survive, but Lucifer probably could. 

Apparently not.  This is from "Hellblazer" #59, page 23:

  Ellie: ``They say that he'd been there since creation began, that he
           was first to BE, and the Redeemer threw him out of heaven
           for daring to think for HIMSELF...  Lucifer had been the
           greatest of the archangels, and HE could never match such
           power. . .but the Morningstar is GONE. . .and now there NO
           ONE in HIS way...''

>   Along the same lines, was it ever stated why Satan would allow
>Lucifer to rule Hell?

Probably because Lucifer was backed by Heaven.  This would also be
why Satan is letting the two current angels-in-charge go on about
their business.  Same issue, page 19:

  Satan: ``No angel belongs in Hell.  Those two the Creator set over
           us, THEY think they DO.  They think they have POWER.''

This is all a retcon, but it's a reasonably well-done one.

>  Ok, I may be missing something, but does anyone know who the Snob is?
>I assumed he was an angel of some sorts. Opinions anyone?

His name is Gabriel, and Constantine makes various comments about
things like his wings, so...

Derek

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From: 11sgerlis@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: Phone # for DC, Marvel, Etc.
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:23:02 GMT

In article <1g9bi6INN9kt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:
> 
>  > I used to live in NYC (when i wasn't at college) & i wanted
>  > a tour of Dc but when i called they said they don't
>  > give them, do they -do- have a phone
> 
> Yes, they have a phone.  As does Marvel have a phone.  When I was last
> in NYC, I called up Marvel asking about a tour.  They DO give tours,
> but only on certain days and you have to reserve the tour in advance.
> How did I get the phone number?  I called information and asked.  So, if
> area code 212 is Manhattan, you call "1-212-555-1212" (which is
> information), and you ask them for the number for DC Comics.  You should
> get a receptionist at the front desk.


Ohhhhhhh Pleasssee....  I am from N.Y.C.... There's no such a phone number
called 1-212-555-1212 because  the three digits are 555 are pretty stupid, it
was used among in movie, television shows....

Get real! *grinnning*

Sean
From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: McFarlane's art
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:37:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>But where I was surprised was when I noticed the artwork (the main reason
>I have been buying the book in the first place).  No, it wasn't in any
>weird, funky radically different style or anything--it's just that I
>noticed that I was...well...getting tired of it.  I mean, IMHO, it's still
>pretty awesome artwork, it just seems to be getting kind of tiresome to
>look at (for me anyway)...
>
>Fox

Fox,

    I'm glad you took notice.  I took that notice a while ago.  I will take
nothing away from Mc's style.  It is just that a very POPular style.  But like
most POP, it eventually gets tiring.  Flashy and neat at first, but eventually
it gets tiresome and even annoying.

    Sorry Todd, but you're too annoying for me these days too.

    I'll probably get flame for this but its somewhat like Jack Kirby.

    I'll take nothing away from the incredible contributions that Todd or Jack
(more so Jack) has given to comics, but they both are very stylish and
somewhat very POP.  Kirby did his thing and it was great then and when we look
back on it its great now.  However, Kirby has somewhat faded away.  His
style if drawn today is no longer fresh and innovative.

    The more style and less substance there is the more likely it will become
tired bothersome and annoying.  Kirby had much more substance than Mc's ever
shown me, hence Kirby will always recieve his just respect from me.

    Just an opinion.


    
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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: "idiot field" (Doomsday)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 01:00:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) says:

>"Doomsday exudes an "idiot field" as his most potent power, which seems
> to be able to reach the writers as well."
>  -Michael Lee Jacobs

As I've said before, Spider Man has used this
 power on numerous occasions.  It's managed to
 permeate nearly the entire superhero genre.
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From: yngvar@novaja.imr.no (Yngvar Foelling)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Organization: Institute of Marine Research, Bergen, Norway.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:49:15 GMT

Speaking as one who borrowed the "Books of Magic" some months ago, and
got interested enough in Gaiman's work to buy the four "Sandman" TPB's,
but is generally unfamiliar with the DC universe...

I haven't read "Hellblazer".  However, based on some postings I've read
in this group recently, I can certainly understand the original poster's
confusion.  A lot of what is said here seems directly inconsistent with
"The Seasons of Mists".

First of all, in "SoM", Lucifer is several times referred to as "The
First Among The Fallen".  There's no Satan to bear that title.  He
clearly and unambiguously states that he was the first one in Hell, and
Dream says something similar.  Dream also says that Lucifer is (all
right, "may be") the most powerful entity in existence, second only to
God.

And about Satan's role.  Derek Upham writes:

    [begin Opinion]
    Satan, it appears, has been a rogue operative.  He goes around
    corrupting people and getting them to sell their souls to him because
    he enjoys it, leaving Lucifer or whomever with the task of punishing
    his clients.  His brothers seem to do the same thing.
    [end Opinion]

And here begin *my* opinions:  This is precisely the role Lucifer
claims is falsely attributed to him.  To me, the whole point of his
long monologue in "SoM" seems to be that *nobody* acts as the corruptor
of mankind, and *nobody* goes around buying souls.  These are just
convenient excuses for people who find that so much easier than taking
responsibility for their own actions.

There's only one way I can make this agree with what I've read in this
thread, and that is that neither Dream nor Lucifer know that Satan
exists.  I seriously doubt that that is the case.  It sounds more like
the division of the traditional roles of the devil has been divided
between Lucifer and Satan as a way to patch up a continuity gaffe, but
as I said, I don't read "Hellblazer", so I don't know.

So, is Lucifer still relaxing on a beach in Perth?
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From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:05:35 GMT
Organization: IMAGEN

In article <1992Dec18.000139.71892@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>
>Most Overrated Writer (bordering on idol worship foolishness):
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Neil Gaiman
>     His Sandman WAS good (the first twenty issues or so), but it has
>     become dreck.

I really am sorry you feel this way.  I still get shivers up and down my spine
after reading the books in the current storyline for the 5th time.
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..I'm not nearly as think as confused you am.
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From: cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Subject: Re: Sin, Gaiman defend Spawn, Image
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:45:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.052201.15906@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire) writes:
>On the other hand, as a comic book consumer, I have certain levels
>of quality that I look for in a title. I prefer a certain minimum
>level of writing in my comics and while I occasionally break that
>rule for certain titles, I have heard nothing good of any of the
>Image titles other than "This series doesn't suck as much as it
>used to" which is hardly a recommendation.
Well, then let me give you something then.
Spawn is one of the better comics coming out today. My list of books
include Cerebus and Sandman, PAD books, Spectacular Spider-Man, an
occasional Lobo, and whatever else I like this week. Currently, Will
Eisner's stuff has caught my eye. 
I've bought the WildCATS and the Spawn issues. Why? Well, when I saw
the first Spawn issue, I decided, "What the hell? Why not?", even
though I detest his Spider-man work. I like it. The art is fantastic,
and so is the coloring and the lettering. All in all, when I read this
book, I feel like I've bought something put out by professionals.
Spawn is a great example of why comic books don't need editors. (I
think they Orche...ski (spelling?) as the current editor.) 
And the writing, you ask? Has McFarlane finally learned how important
the active voice is? Has he cleared up the confusing plots and stupid
ideas he had with Spiderman? Yeah. Though the narrative boxes get
kinda long-winded, some of his characters have taken on some real
life. Though I thought issue five, with the child molester, was
written a little too much in parental-voice mode (i.e. a little
high-handed), it was also very well-done. I think McFarlane's
eventually going to deal with the morality of Spawn's actions.
So, all in all, do I absolutely love this book? Not exactly (that's
saved for only Cerebus, and a good PAS issue. Not even Gaiman gets
that emotion). But it's not a book that "doesn't suck". It's a very
good book, one that will get my support as long as it comes out. (In
other words, it's in the category with Spectacular Spider-Man, Gaiman,
and okay PAD books :)  
Clear?

>I will buy the three
>Spawn issues and hope that they sell amazingly well and then have
>the title plummet to its old sales level or lower. Maybe it will
>give Todd a clue that a comic needs a good writer as well as a
>good artist. (Youngblood suffers with neither good art or good
>writing)
>
>Hence, my attitude. I like the comany for what it represents, I
>just think that some of the attitudes towards the products they
>produce need to be radically altered.
Um...maybe it's not THEIR attitudes that have to be altered...

Ray Cornwall
U of Delawhere
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 12:17:45 EST
From: <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring

Stated in a melodious hero voice: 'I will save you.  Do not feeaaarach!....
.....We're sorry to interupt, but Savior Man was just been sliced off at the
neck by a man dressed in black leather wielding a light saber riding on
a hovercraft scooter.  Yet another victim of a comic book story that lasts
10 issues when it could be covered in much less.  But the art is fantastic.

Check six.
Paul
(The Great White North. Great now the snow's all melting!)
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From: steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: University of Rochester
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:36:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.132312.22123@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:

>> >        Panel 2: "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" was a popular 70s book.
>> >I have no idea what it was about. 

>It was a methaphorical story.  :-)  Now, who was the author?

It's by Richard Bach.

Gavin Steyn
steyn@cs.rochester.edu
"So he's had the lifelong ambition of reversing the polarity of the earth?"
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Annotation FTP Site?
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:10:44 -0600
Organization: The Eekcidental Tourist
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ric@netcom.com (Richard A. Bretschneider) writes:
> I'm looking for Sandman Annotations that have been written/edited
> by Greg Morrow.  I've got most of them, but am missing a couple.
> Is there an FTP site that is up to date (39?)?  Any help will
> be appreciated in _your_ dreams. :-)

	Ah, that would be me.  Just to review, I release version 1.0 to the
net, collect responses, edit them in at my laconic leisure, and repost
version 2.0 to the net, and to David Wald, who archives it for me.  Only
version 1.0 exists for AS 35-39 at the moment.  I'm going to do 40 1.0, then
start doing 2.0 until I catch up.  I won't annotate Brief Lives until it's
completed.

[Oh, and by the way, "elmo" fans should note my id above.  Bet you didn't 
know I was an animation star, did you?  Neither did I :-) ]

	The Annotated Sandman is available via anonymous ftp at
theory.lcs.mit.edu in the directly pub/wald/sandman.  The naming convention
is sandman.##, where ## is the issue number in two digit format (01, 02,
...22, ....)  Currently, annotations covering issues 1-34 and the Special
are stored in the archive.  The Special has the name sandman-special.01.   
The file Index in the same directory contains a list of all available
files.  
	David Goldfarb's annotations for The Books of Magic are archived in
the directory pub/wald/books-of-magic, with an accompanying Index file.  
	For those not proficient with ftp, the files may be retrieved via
e-mail.  Send the line:
 
send wald sandman/sandman.## 
 
where ## is the same naming convention as above, to: 
 
archive-server@theory.lcs.mit.edu
 
The file will be mailed to you in ASCII format.  
-- 
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fine of $500."--Ed Sanders 

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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:20:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Who are the favorite comic book artists of the people out on the net and why?


Classic Artists:
----------------

Jim Steranko :  revolutionary, highly influential, stunning layouts.
                The complete artist:  penciller, inker, colorist and letterer.
                A phenomenon.

Bernie Wrightson : Quite possibly the greatest black and white comic artist
                   of all time.

Marshall Rogers : His run on Detective, not currently, however.

Bernard Krigstein : Forerunner to Steranko.  Mastered the 'cinematic-style'



Current Artists:
----------------

Frank Miller : Revolutionized comics with TDKR and Sin City

David Mazzuchelli

Paul Chadwick




New Artists:
------------

Joe Quesada

Jae Lee


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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:02:33 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1gmjsrINN2bm@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes:
>And now my least favorite writers:

>Rob Liefeld: Youngblood sucks.  Pure and simple.
>Bob Budiansky: He didn't seem to realize for most of his run that it was
>	the Transformers who were the stars of the TF comic and not the humans.
>Rob Liefeld: Youngblood sucks.  Pure and simple.
>Mark Waid: Oh, he can script.  How nice.  But can he plot?  No.
>Rob Liefeld: Youngblood sucks.  Pure and simple.

Yeah, I can't imagine why there aren't more pros on the net...

>You get the idea.

I do.
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From: rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer)
Subject: Re: DH - Aliens: Colonial Marines
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:53:21 GMT


i think that colonial marines is supposed to be out in feb., but i
could be a month off. look like it may be interesting. as far as the
predator v. aliens tpb goes, i thought it was out already, but i
haven't paid much attension to the tpb's, so i may well have missed
it.

russ fischer

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From: anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone)
Subject: What I'm reading other than Sandman
Organization: P.S.A. (Psychology Student's Association)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:39:28 GMT

  Thanks to everyone who sent me info about all the great comics out there.
A special note to John McMullen -- thanks for the list.  I wanted to e-mail
you, but it bounced.

  It's been quite a month.  I've picked up Hellblazer, Shade, and Tick, and
have put Cerebus TPB's on my Christmas list.  I even got to meet Neil Gaiman
on Saturday.  This newsgroup has changed my life!  (Scary stuff, ain't it?)
:-) 

Anna
 
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Harbringer #0
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:22:25 GMT

Okay, I have finished reading Harbringer #0 and i have a few comments
about it.

#1. To everybody who chopped up their comics to get this issue, do you
think it was worth it? For the sixteen pages you get, I would have to
say no. I certainly would not have done so.

#2. Is it just me, or does anybody else get the sneaking suspicion that
this was not the same Harbringer #0 that Valiant had planned? I can't
reember exactly, but i thought that the coupons in the Harbringer issues
had some panels from Harbringer #0 on them. It was my impression that
that it was going to focus on Harada, not Sting.

Further proof can be seen in issue #2, which was reprinted. Harada
introduces himself to Sting in #2. A rather silly thing to do,
especially since the two already knew each other.

What I think happened was that Shooter had #0 already written, but tokk
it with him when he left Valiant. As a result you get this. Not bad, but
a bit to rushed. Also, after what Sting did to his girlfriend, there is
no way on Earth should she realistically want to go back with him.
However, it was definately not worth chopping up your comics for. IMHO,
of course.

-Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Stupid things to say when your child asks "What did you do in the>
> war, daddy?"                                                     >
> #2 - "Napalmed an entire village. It was bloody brilliant."      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: How Many Mutants?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:24:58 GMT

mjl17@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Michael Lush) emotes:
>	Does anyone have a rough idea of the frequency of latent mutants
>on marvel Earth.
>	I'm planing to run a Marvel Superheros game in which someone 
>trys to give every latent mutant in the world uncontrolled Class 3000 
>(ie Celestial class) powers,  as part of a plot to become an 
>Elder of the Universe,  (well one of the rules appears to be you must 
>be the last suvivor of your race....  are there any other rules? :-)

>Thanks
>Michael

	Well, according to Marvel's Project: Nightmares of Futures Past source-
book, it was said that the percentage of mutants in the United States (pre-
Sentinel) was hovering around ~2%.  Now that includes ALL mutants, and most of
them either had minor or useless mutations.  folks as pwerful and well trained
as say, the X-Men were waaaaaay in the minority.  It was also said that the
percentage of possible mutant-bearing adults was somewhere around 18%.
However, these were people *without powers* who were likely to have mutant
children.

	Having run in several different campaigns, I'd suggest just making your
own number of latent mutants up.  It's prolly easier on you and then you
wouldn't be forced to make your campaign jibe with every little rule.


Later days and sunny rays...					Theo...


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