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From: cfeem@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Eleanor Midkiff)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Need your opinion on Careers for teens
Summary: No money in professing
Keywords: Money, professors
Date: 24 Aug 92 19:36:59 GMT
Expires: ?
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

>My daughter dearly loves Math & Science and plans on being a teacher in
>elementary and/or high school. I have encouraged her to do this, even
>though her father (my ex-) would prefer that she go into a job such as
>professorship "for the money". (I have let her know that doing what you
>really want to is worth more than money.) She has also been in a Gifted
>class from Kindergarten all the way up and making A's & B's. She's not
>good in spelling, but we drill her at home and she saw that it helped a
>lot.
>
>I don't know who told your ex that professorial pay is good; however, it
is common knowledge that high school teachers make more than those at all
but the top-ranked schools.  Don't teach college for the money; there
isn't any!
-- 
Eleanor Midkiff
(cfeem@eiu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski)
Subject: Re: Teen role models - Axl Rose
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:57:02 GMT

In article <aqrn+ra.rfelix@netcom.com>, rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.135741.19243@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco) writes:
> >I have a 13 year old daughter who idolizes Axl Rose from
> >Guns N Roses.  I would say that it is harmless, except that I
> >don't think she differentiates between like the star's looks
> >and music and the fact that his lifestyle and behavior is
> >completely inappropriate.
> >
> >How do other parents handle it?
> >
> >Adelle
> >adelle@cbnewsh.att.com
> 
> 
> Hi Adelle,
> 
> I believe that you need to minimize restrictions on kids to things
> that are really important or you will probably run into hard core
> rebellion.
> 

 I agree that attemping to restrict a teen's access to music (or books,
 or movies) is likely to be counter-productive.  However, I think
 you're missing Adelle's point: that her concern isn't so much with
 the contents of this music as concern that her teen may be having 
 trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality.  The fact is, some
 teens DO have trouble with this, sometimes with tragic results.

> I would share with my daughter how I felt about the guy's behavior and
> let her decide how she feels about him! Your first instinct is likely
> correct, she probably just likes the music!

 I'd say "she probably just likes the music" rather understates many
 teen's involvement with rock culture.

 I'd guess that most parents deal with this by not dealing with it.
 The important thing is for your teen to know that it's possible to
 talk with you without feeling put down or condescended to.  
>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:19:28 EDT
From: <AIY1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Religions and Comtemporary World Problems

This is the topic of dialogue organized by the Office of Religious Affairs that
 will be held on Thursday, Sept. 17 at 7:30 PM.  Room 112 Kern.  A representati
ve from Judaism, Christianity and Islam will Adress the Audience for 20 min. th
en questions will be taken.  It is a great event so do not miss it.
From: danlip@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Adam Lipofsky)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: selecting a college
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:43:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Sep9.051713.231@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>[oh yes, in TOTAL honesty, the college she wants to apply to for "early
>decision" is NOT my first choice for where she ought to go; strangely enough,
>it isn't HER first choice either, its her SECOND choice.  she's worried that
>her first choice will be too expensive {despite her Dad's & my reassurances
>that she should GO AHEAD & APPLY,& that we would do our best to find necessary
>resources if she gets admitted, AFTER we see what financial aid the college
>offers her -- i.e., WE think we CAN afford to send her to College #1, but SHE
>is afraid it would be "too much of a burden" for us, so she wants to apply for
>"early decision" to College #2 instead, which is her 2nd choice & about her
>Dad's 3rd choice & about my 4th or 5th choice}.  Is this really a power
>struggle, & not about college at all, or what?  I don't get it.]


I am very much against early decision on all counts.  It is extremely
limiting to your choices.  It seems even worse to do early decision
to you second choice.  What ever your daughter's reasoning for choosing
her eventual college (financial, geographical, pissing off parents, etc.),
it is very likely all the reasons will still exist at the normal decision
time.

About your last question: It seems like a power struggle to me.  College
choices often are.  Try to assure her (in a round-about way) that she can
carry on the power struggle at the normal-decision time.  Also try to
suggest (also in a subtle round-about way) that the best way for her to
win a power struggle is for her to go to her number one choice.

Other possible reasons for avoiding number one:  Is it too close to home?
If so, try to assure her you will stay out of her life (you will
only visit when asked, etc.  It can be hard).

Do you both have the same choice for college #1?  If so, this makes the
power struggle answer more likely.  Also, how good are you at listening to
your daughter, and how good is she at speaking up?  Are you sure the
college you think is her #1 choice really is?  Maybe she prefers #2 and
is looking for ways to avoid talking about it directly.

--danlip
-- 
"The calender of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up.  No-one knows
why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out."
	--Terry Pratchett, _Wyrd_Sisters_
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: selecting a college
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:58:40 GMT

RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>Just thought I'd ask this wise group's opinion:

>My 17-year-old h.s. senior wants to apply to one college for "early decision"
>entrance.  That means that when she submits her application (deadline: oct 15)
>she promises to attend THAT college next fall if they accept her right away.

>I think she'd be better off applying to at least several different colleges,
>waiting to see where she's accepted, & THEN making a commitment about attending
>(next april or so) the one that looks most attractive to her.

>As a college professor, I think that "early decision" entrance applications are
>99% to the benefit of the institution (i.e., they can be sure of who's coming)
>and only 1% (if at all) to the benefit of the student.

>Interested in the collective wisdom of this group...

>[oh yes, in TOTAL honesty, the college she wants to apply to for "early
>decision" is NOT my first choice for where she ought to go; strangely enough,
>it isn't HER first choice either, its her SECOND choice.  she's worried that
>her first choice will be too expensive {despite her Dad's & my reassurances
>that she should GO AHEAD & APPLY, & that we would do our best to find necessary
>resources if she gets admitted, AFTER we see what financial aid the college
>offers her -- i.e., WE think we CAN afford to send her to College #1, but SHE
>is afraid it would be "too much of a burden" for us, so she wants to apply for
>"early decision" to College #2 instead, which is her 2nd choice & about her
>Dad's 3rd choice & about my 4th or 5th choice}.  Is this really a power
>struggle, & not about college at all, or what?  I don't get it.]

Well, as a student who recently went through the college selection process
let me say that I think she should NOT apply early decision...especially
if the college is NOT her first choice. I think it would be wise to apply
to her top 3 (or whatever the number) and then see what happens and what kind
of aid you can get. She/you can always call up #1 and negotiate for more 
financial aid if one of you thinks it is a problem. She should definitely
not apply early decision to a non-#1 college. What if she could get into #1
with lots of aid but doesn't get into #2 at all, for instance?
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Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco)
Subject: Teen role models - Axl Rose
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:57:41 GMT

I have a 13 year old daughter who idolizes Axl Rose from
Guns N Roses.  I would say that it is harmless, except that I
don't think she differentiates between like the star's looks
and music and the fact that his lifestyle and behavior is
completely inappropriate.

When I was a kid, I loved the Beatles.  At the same time, I
was able to separate their private lives from the musician,
especially when their drug use became widely known.  No, I
wasn't a goody two shoes, but I was ALWAYS against drug use.

How do other parents handle it?

Adelle
adelle@cbnewsh.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Teen role models - Axl Rose
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:46:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>I would share with my daughter how I felt about the guy's behavior and
>let her decide how she feels about him! Your first instinct is likely
>correct, she probably just likes the music!

To this I would add that one ought to talk with the teen and truly listen to
what they have to say. It is possible that you underestimate your daughter. My
parents did.

smittie
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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Teen role models - Axl Rose
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:32:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep8.135741.19243@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> adelle@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (adelle.s.Petrocco) writes:
>I have a 13 year old daughter who idolizes Axl Rose from
>Guns N Roses.  I would say that it is harmless, except that I
>don't think she differentiates between like the star's looks
>and music and the fact that his lifestyle and behavior is
>completely inappropriate.
>
>How do other parents handle it?
>
>Adelle
>adelle@cbnewsh.att.com


Hi Adelle,

I believe that you need to minimize restrictions on kids to things
that are really important or you will probably run into hard core
rebellion.

I would share with my daughter how I felt about the guy's behavior and
let her decide how she feels about him! Your first instinct is likely
correct, she probably just likes the music!

rf
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: chapin@cbnewsc.cb.att.com ( Tom Chapin )
Subject: Re: selecting a college
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:45:38 GMT

Ruth Ginzberg writes:
>My 17-year-old h.s. senior wants to apply to one college for "early decision"
>
>As a college professor, I think that "early decision" entrance applications are
>99% to the benefit of the institution (i.e., they can be sure of who's coming)
>and only 1% (if at all) to the benefit of the student.

Do you have any inside information as to how early decision affects
financial offers?  For instance, do colleges assume the student is
so eager to go there that they can offer less and get away with it, 
while there would be more "competition" for a good student if they 
knew the student would likely get offers from other places?

>she's worried that her first choice will be too expensive ...
>Is this really a power struggle, & not about college at all, 
>or what?  I don't get it.]

Or a family where everyone bends over backward not to be selfish
at one another's expense?  Better than the other way, this one only
needs a lot of communication to resolve...

-- 
	     tom chapin                tjc@hrcce.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: grega@daphni.0 (Greg Alonso)
Subject: Re: STUPID TOURISTS
Organization: /home/grega/.organization
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:17:47


In article <1992Sep8.125909.18207@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steve Myerson) writes:

   In article <174.22.uupcb@madness.network23.com> Mike Mendis writes:

   * That hurts!  I am a good student.  [...]
   * I has to be someone who is gradulation this
   * year that uses the BBS from middletown.   

   Where? Pre-school?


Thanks Steve.  I used to like this group til mike and chris started gabbing at
each other.  Why don't you guys play with your walkie talkies.

grega
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria)
Subject: SIBL (Baseball in Swansea)
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:19:43 GMT

I know this is Alt.rhode_island but I was wondering if anyone of you out
there has had any experience with the Little League's here is Swansea.
My son will be six this year and I just got two fliers from school.  One
is for SIBL (Swansea Independent Baseball League) and the other is for
regular Swansea Little League.  I asked around here at work and it seems
the SIBL is similar to a Pony League and has some different rules than
the other league.  One person said the people (coaches/managers I assume)
are nicer at SIBL.  Mostly everyone said there is not much of a difference
except that SIBL prepares the kids better for 'real' baseball.

Has anyone played in these leagues and do you have an opinion either way.
Sign-ups are coming up so a prompt response is requested. Thank you!

Denise

P.S. About all this conversation B.S. I'm a lurker and find everything
entertaining but when everyone starts bitching and complaining I just
have to say SHUT UP!!!  Thank you.

Just my .02 .......
From: peg@cs.washington.edu (Peter Granger)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Angry Salad
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:54:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


By now, all of New England is undoubtedly familiar with Angry Salad,
winners of the 1992 WBRU Rock Hunt. However, no one out here has heard
of them, and I feel obligated to show them that Rhode Island does have
at least one good thing that Seattle doesn't. (Sure, we've got plenty
of local bands, but they all sound like Nirvana!)

When the won the Rock Hunt, they didn't have a CD out yet, but
there was supposed to be one soon. Does anybody know whether there is
a CD? Could someone at Brown maybe go and look at Tom's Tracks for
it? I would like to get a copy, if it exists. I would, of course, pay
you for it.
-- 
 Pete Granger                     "Not to go on all fours - that is the law!"
 peg@cs.washington.edu                - H.G. Wells,
                                        "The Island of Doctor Moreau"
From: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: THIS CONF
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 

-> mostly reclassification and repaving, no new roads. just in
-> subdivisions, like a neighborhood development.

I herd a rumer that they are going to connect Connell Hw. with East Main
Rd. Is this true?

*......................................................................*
 Chris Mathis
 UUCP  : chris.mathis@madness.network23.com        It's only a
 BBS   : Terminal Madness BBS                            hobby,
         Middletown, RI  USA                         It's only a
 Node1 : 401)848-9069  v32bis,v42bis 14400 bps              hobby...
 Node2 : 401-847-4902  v32bis,v42bis 14400 bps
*......................................................................*
From: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: RE: STUPID TOURISTS
Date: 10 Sep 92 05:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 

TO: georgere@microsoft.com

-> What the fuck is the Terminal Madness BBS and who

 You would think that with your "Right" to judge others you would be
smart enough to know what a BBS was. But let me take this time to
enlighten you. Ok? Have your milk and cookies ready? Ok here we go.
 'BBS' stands for: BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEM. Terminal Madness is the name
of the BBS, or, "now what have we learned?", "Yes, Bulletin Board
System". It Now has 4, count them with me, 1, 2, 3, 4, "yes 4 Nodes". Or
in terms that even you could understand, "Lines". And the BBS, ( I think
you know by now ) is Totally free! Over a Gig, (Gigabyte) of files,
hosting 5 Networks, includeing the USENET. You must know what that is,
if not I will draw you a picture. Terminal Madness BBS. I do not speak
for the SysOp of the BBS, ( chris mathis ) but his BBS is awsome!
Now are you ready for a quiz on what we have just learned? Oh, you need
more time? Ok, well we will do it later... In the mean time, get a life!

               barry.wilson@madness.network23.com
From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Re: Rhode Island?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 02:17:20 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

vax1::rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu (Roy Bengal Tiger) writes:

> 
> Is that anywhere near Rhodes? Or Rhodesia?

Yup. Located on the same planet as a matter of fact.

                                          -= Max =-
...!uunet!underg!max
...!cactus.org!underg!max
From: steven.brubaker@madness.network23.com (Steven Brubaker) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: Talkin' 'bout Vo Disland
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: steven.brubaker@madness.network23.com (Steven Brubaker) 

\Yes, what's the latest from Electric Boat? I thought that it was
\pretty big news, but no one I've talked to out here even knows what
\the Sea Wolf is. Last I knew, one of the subs had been written back
\into the budget, and the RI and CT reps were going for another. How do
\people feel about it? I mean, it's kind of a no-win situation. Even
\the politicians who were pushing for the continuation of the Sea Wolf
\project pretty much admitted that it's no longer necessary and it is a
\waste of money for the rest of the country. But considering that
\canceling the project would do massive damage to two states that
\really couldn't protect themselves from the loss, it doesn't seem fair
\to cancel it so abruptly either.
        The last word that I heard was that money has already been
        allocated for the completion of three remaining/in-progress
        subs. SHB

 * SLMR 2.1a * To error is human, to realy foul-up requires a computer.
From: mike.mendis@madness.network23.com (Mike Mendis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: RE: STUPID TOURISTS
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: mike.mendis@madness.network23.com (Mike Mendis) 

-> Well, just between you and me, it will be really a trojan horse.  It
-> will alter the PCb program to give me sysop access so I can reformat
-> or so what ever I want to your hard disk.  heheh
->
-> Ok well Then I want you to give it to me. Yes I want my HD
-> reformated!

Well by the time, you see this message.  Well remember that program I
gave you.  It kinda contained a virus, and...  Well it was set to go off
in 3 days after infecting the computer.
have phun!!
                                        
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
From: man@cs.brown.edu (Mark H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Eisteddfod Folk Festival
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:02:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.193533.10469@cypress.com>, rbv@cypress.com writes:
|> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 	Not exactly _in_ R.I., but only 1/2 hour from Providence:
|> 
|> 	      |==========================================================|
|> 	      |                UMass Dartmouth EISTEDDFOD                |
|> 	      |                         presents                         |
|> 	      |      A Festival of Traditional Music, Dance & Crafts     |
|> 	      |                                                          |
|> 
|> 		   Concerts, Miniconcerts, Workshops, Contradance
|> 		    Crafts Tables, Food Service, Children's Area
|> 
|> 				  Featuring music from
|> 	   America, Australia, the British Isles, Canada, Turkey, and Ukraine
|> 				       including
|> 		 Blues, Cajun, music of New England and the Adirondacks
|> 
|> 
|> Strange to see a festival named after a uniquely Welsh festival, with
|> no mention of Wales or any Welsh performers.  Why?

I noticed that, too.  (Hi, Roger!  What are you doing in alt.rhode_island?)

	--Mark
From: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: RIDOT
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:52:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 

-> well ill start a new thread. the ri dot,
-> dept of transportation. the plans they have for
-> the town of portsmouth. out of like 150 people employed
-> in that dept, only one is specialized in railroad restoration,
-> one in the bike path recommendations.

 Thank you for giving us something to discuss. But, in this day and age,
is that so important?

*......................................................................*
 Chris Mathis
 UUCP  : chris.mathis@madness.network23.com        It's only a
 BBS   : Terminal Madness BBS                            hobby,
         Middletown, RI  USA                         It's only a
 Node1 : 401)848-9069  v32bis,v42bis 14400 bps              hobby...
 Node2 : 401-847-4902  v32bis,v42bis 14400 bps
*......................................................................*
From: j..barrett@madness.network23.com (J. Barrett) 
Newsgroups: alt.rhode_island
Subject: RIDOT
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: j..barrett@madness.network23.com (J. Barrett) 

CM>-> roads are important! well we could go back to the days that
CM>-> i remember and have dirt roads for west main and a one laner
CM>-> for east main. then the tourists might stay away from the island.

CM> Yea I know that. But I really do not mind the tourists, but I HATE the
CM>traffic... But what does the railroard restoration have to do with
CM>anything? Sorry confused....
the bike path would be along the railroad lines from middletown to
the sakonnet bridge. they are also looking into hooking up the
islands bike path to the one in bristol.

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