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From: jin@astem.or.jp (Jin Xiuyi)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.sci.lang
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:00:20 GMT
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In-reply-to: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp's message of 31 Jul 92 01:33:47 GMT


  Hi, I am Jin posting chinese with Pinyin & number to fj.rec.food.
Only the Dou Jiang stoped at my eye, I didn't see the keyword
"Newsgroup: fj.misc" and even didn't know somebody are discussing the
NUMBERS..

  Yes, the number stand for -:1,/:2,\/:3,\4. If I remember correctly,
we in mainland real have another intonation just like Claude said (. 5
no accent), but as MR.Hatano explained we don't include it in the $@;M@<(J.

In article <CLAUDE.92Jul31103347@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

 >
 >>Then, I'll practice it.  Nie1 Hao2?$@!!(Jright?
 >>$@$G$O!"$5$C$=$/N}=,$r!#!!%K!<%O%*!)(J  $@2q$C$F$^$9!)(J>
 >hatano>    $@"-0lJ8;z$G$9(J
 >hatano> $@!N%$Uu!O$O!V(JNi3$@!W$G!N9%!O$O!V(JHao3$@!W$G$9!##3@<$NJ8;z$,#2$DB3$/$H(J
 >hatano> $@:G=i$NJ8;z$O#2@<$KE>$:$k$H$$$&5,B'$,$"$j$^$9$N$G!"!V(JNi2 Hao3$@!W$K(J
 >hatano> $@$J$j$^$9!#(J
 >hatano> $@!V%$Uu9%!W$O:G=i$K3P$($kCf9q8l$NJ8>O$G!"!V(J3+3$@"*(J2+3$@!W$H$$$&$N$,(J
 >hatano> $@:G=i$K3P$($kH/2;$N5,B'$G$9$M!#(J

 $@$5$9$,$G$9$M!"3N$+$=$&$G$7$?!"(J
  >
  >$@$5$9$,$G$9$M!#(J:-) I preffer to say it in roman letters:
  >
  >Wo Hen Mang... Wo Hen Lei.... Wo De Bien-Don Hen Hao Su... :-)
  >
   Wo ye mang.. Wo ye lei..I am envious of your bien-Don...

  >Chinese Bu min bai... 
   Ni min bai bu shao ne5... in this case we use (. 5 No accent)  

  >Zai-Jian!
  >
  >Bentan de bashi-ren $@$h$j!"(J
  Chong Ming de5 bashi-ren, Zai-Jian!

  
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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:24:08 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi, ...

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> When I visit my daughter in the L.A. area, I'm constantly amazed
> by the miles and miles of frozen and canned foods in the supermarket!

    I have similar experience while I visit a supermarket in Hawaii.
Sequence of gigantic glass show-case for forzen foods!

> The supermarket where I live seem to be carrying an increasing number
> of frozen foods. Will have to see if cherry pie is among them.

    I really like american pie, like the ones we can order at
Anna-Millers in Japan.  Any other pies in Japan is too sweet, too much
smell of butters; pehaps its an Europian style.  So I often goes to
Anna-Millers when I feel like eating a pie.  But it's expensive!
Thus, I wish I could purchase frozen pies and just put in my oven.  As
Anna-Millers shops are really crowded on weekend, many people in Japan
should prefer amerikan-style frozen pies, I guess.  Why doesn't anybody
import them and sell at the convenience stores around?

> Meanwhile, how about freeze-dried negi (sp?) and freeze-tried miso
> shiro that's available in the local market here? I've tried both and
> they taste OK. Not as good as fresh, but easy to keep.

    Well, I Japanese am really being astonished by the quality of
instant miso-shiru.  It's great.  I have some stocks in my room ---
tofu, wakame, and saya-endo (green beans!).  Freeze-dry technology is
reall great.

							 Yasushi Kuno
Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: FAQ on U.S. dual citizenship (long!)
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
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Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:04:23 GMT

In article <2139@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

   magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:

   >From what I understand from those messages, it's not the case that the
   >U.S. allows for a dual citizenship depending on what the other
   >nationality would be. Rather, that U.S. law does not prohibit dual
   >nationality per se; whether it would be possible depends on the rules
   >of the other country.

   There are lots of things to take into consideration. I'm attaching a
   FAQ that was posted to s.c.j. as it seem particularly relevant. 

I read it, but you're not responding to my correction of your claim
that U.S. policy is conducted on a "country by country" basis. It may
be only compatible with the policies of some, rather than all, other
countries, but that's not the point.


Anyway, in order to redirect this thread somewhat to matters Japanese,
I meant to bring with me the little pocketbook with the 1985 Japanese
Immigration Law to cite from, but forgot as usual. In any case, they seemed
quite explicit that a person would have to denounce other
nationalities in order to remain Japanese past the age of 18 or 20.

Magnus
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:23:34 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>> Did I ever tell you about the time I was sitting at my keyboard one
>> cold winter's night drinking hot sake and somebody called and I
>> accidently spilled a whole One-Cup into the keyboard? 
>> I tried to clean it but sake is real sticky when its dries so the
>> keys would just stay down. But it was on an NEC 9801 so I took it
>> over to Bit-Inn in Osaka, they gave me a loaner, and cleaned it up
>> in a couple of days. No charge. And only looked at me a little funny
>> when I explained the "problem" :-)

>    Hmm, interesting, but such accident is in fact very frequent,
>I supporse.  I really recommend you buy the plastic covers I've
>mentioned.  We can find many for PC9801s, and MACs, but how about
>Sun type-4 keyboard which I am using now?  Does anybody know?

Yes, I know, but if there is one thing I *really* dislike about PCs
it's those plastic covers. My feelings feel yucky when I touch them.

Also to be considered is while NEC keyboards don't seem have any
tactile (feeling) feedback, keyboards for IBMs and Macs do. And IMHO
when you cover the keyboard with plastic you lost the feeling of the
way the keys "click" into place when you push down on them....

I haven't destroyed another yetboard but I've sure learned to keep
food away from them :-)

Dave

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Xref: sparky fj.misc:334 fj.news.group:2471
From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Please goto correct Newsgroup (Re: Tongue-twisters) [English]
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:28:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro) writes:
> $BAa8}8@MU$,!"F|K\$G@83h$7$F$$$k309q?M$N@83h$K$+$+$o$k$3$H$+$J!)(J
> $B<+A38@8l$K4X$9$k$3$H$J$i!"(Jfj.sci.lang $B$G$9$k$Y$-$3$H$G$7$g$&!#(J
> fj.life.foreigner $B$GOC$9$3$H$8$c$J$$$G$9$M!#(J

   OK, OK.  You are angry because you think tongue-twiseters are
nothing to do with the life of visitors in Japan.  Would some
visotors arond there please explain him how important they are,
how they are related to the visitor's life, and such? :-P

						   Yasushi Kuno

P.S. Oh, or it might be that the difference of tongue-twisters
     in Japanese and English might indicate difference of both
     culture, and thus affects life of foreigners in Japan?
Xref: sparky fj.misc:351 fj.news.group:2481
From: kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: kono@csl.sony.co.jp
Followup-To: fj.news.group
Distribution: fj
Organization: Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc.

$@2OLn(J@CSL.Sony$@$G$9!#<+J,$G$G$-$J$$$3$H$r>/?tGI$K2!$7$D$1$F$$$k$H$$$&46(J
$@$8!#(Jnews group$@$C$FC1$J$k(Jkeyword$@$8$c$J$$$h$M!#(Jfj.rec.autos$@$H$+$N$h$&$K(J
$@FCDj$N(Juser$@$rBP>]$H$7$F$$$k>l9g$,$*$*$$!#(J

Is it convenient for posters or readers? This is the criteria for
news group selection, nothing else.

In article <TOZAKI.92Jul23222351@sapphire.math.keio.ac.jp> , 
	tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI) writes 
> $@$b$7$=$&$J$i$P!"$=$s$J0U8+$OL5;k$7$F!"E,@Z$J%0%k!<%W$X(J
>$@Ej9F$9$k$3$H$r$*4+$a$7$^$9!#(J

If you think fj.sci.lang/fj.misc are completely language independent,
sci.lang/soc.culture can be used for Japanese Language. From this point
of view, we need no fj.* hierarchy.  But it is rare to see Japanese
posting in sci.lang.  Why?  Because language mixed news groups are hard
to read for many people (like this). Posting news groups are determined
not only by subject, but subject and expected reader also.

>  $@$=$b$=$b!"$3$l$N2?=h$,$$$1$J$$$N$G$7$g$&$+!#$b$&>/$70lHLE*$K=q$1$P!"(J
>$@2?8N!H309q?M!I$H$$$&=8CD$r<+$i:n$j$?$,$k$N$G$7$g$&$+!#(J

Since "foreigners in Japan" themselves makes a group, the group itself
exisits naturally. We can't ignore the group.  Troubles are coming from
isolation of the group rather than its existence.  I think fj.life.in-japan,
fj.life.foreigner or  fj.life.foreigner.* will help breaking isolation.

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Sony Computer Science Laboratory, Inc,Japan
Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: There's-only-one-Truth-ism?
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
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Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:16:15 GMT

In article <2140@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

   mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana) writes:

   > davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

   >>I think this comes from two reasons. First off, it is pretty much a
   >>given in Japanese culture that there is one, and only one, correct
   >>way to do everything: thus there must be one, and only one correct
   >>English.  Second,      [omission]

   >	May I understand that your former opinion as follows?  Japanese
   >tends to have mentality that he/she believes or lets him/herself believe 
   >there's only one truth.  Too much simplification?

   Probably too much simplification but I think it's relatively true
   compared to other countries.

I beg to differ. I would say that Japanese culture is much *less*
one-correct-answer oriented than the Occidental culture. The nature of
Japanese interpersonal communication is strongly based on the idea
that truth and morals are relativistic. Conflicting opinions are not
necessarily wrong, incorrect, or immoral, but may be right for that
person or society.

On the other hand, so many Westerners believe in the concept that if
they believe in something, then non-believers must be wrong. What
other reason can you see behind coercions like "Let's Boycott Country
X!", where X incidentally often seems to include Japan due to some
"immoral" actions like hunting the 'wrong' kinds of animals.

Magnus
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.soc.culture
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: No Response to English Articles? [English]
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:10:37 GMT
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>    Some of Japanese netters has asked how often is the case
>that you post something to fj gropus in English, and failed to
>obtain any response at all.  If you have such experiences,
>would you please post how many times you've post, and how many
>times you successfully got any response?   This is what I Japanese
>cannot guess at all.  Oh, recent fj.news.group and fj.misc would
>be "exceptions," of course.

Except for fj.news.group and fj.misc I don't think I've ever posted
to an fj.xxxx group. Why is that? Well, as recommended in
news.accounce.newusers, I don't just jump in and post to *any*
newsgroup. Instead, I read it for a while to see what people are
saying.... Since I didn't see anything in other than Japanese (which
unfortunately I don't understand) I didn't post anything. 

Dave

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Sorry, I can only understand replies in English (or a little French).
You're free to copy/quote/translate this as long as credit is given. 
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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: Re: There's-only-one-Truth-ism?
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:57:54 GMT

In article <MAGNUS.92Jul28182724@is19e0s00.jaist-east.ac.jp> 
magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:

>In article <2173@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>
>   >What we're really talking about is the much discussed 'uniformity' of
>   >the Japanese people. I think the key point is that this uniformity is
>   >in *behaviour*, not in *thought*. After sufficient 'nemawashi', the
>   >proper 'tatemae' protocol insists on uniform outward appearance of
>   >agreement of each group. The nature of this process, then also implies
>   >that the differences in true opinion ('honne') are appreciated,
>   >understood, and accommodated for.
>
>   I think I understand what you're getting at but 'tatemae' and
>   'honne' are both behaviors (unless you feel you can read people's
>   minds :-) , so perhaps we could call them 'public behaviours' and
>   'private behaviours' within relatively local groups (each of which
>   claims to be "We Japanese"). 
>
>I take 'tatemae' to be a behaviour, as it is what is actually
>displayed, but 'honne' to be a feeling/belief/thoughts that are not
>acted upon (except when induced by enough beers...:-).
    
    In my view, and almost all native speakers of Japanese I think will
agree :-), `tatemae' and `honne' are both thoughts.  Honne is what he 
really believes in and tatemae is what he says to other people as if it
is his opinion.  But on the viewpoint that what he doesn't really believe
in is not feeling/belief/thoughts, tatemae is not thought but a technique
or behavior.  I think it's not that simple notational difference.
    Besides, I basically agree the definition of Honne by Magnus.  Great.
And still I want to add a word 'yet' between 'not' and 'acted'.  Though
it's not very often, people act on their beliefs without the help of
alcohol :-).  
    Hmm, I'm rather optimistic today.   

    [discussions concerning "kakkoii" deleted]

>   My strategy for dealing with the situation is to say that IMHO the
>   main event is understanding what other people say (and asking
>   questions if you don't) and making sure other people understand you
>   (and changing the way you say things if they don't).
>
>I think that's a good approach to communication in any language.

    Yes, I realize it throughout the post-follow process of this thread.

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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
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Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:58:11 GMT

In article <ISHIKAWA.92Jul21205825@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:

   >Moreover, only the green box has the frog on it; the others have been
   >restyled in a less cutesy way.

	   Frog? A FROG? You mean like KERMIT the frog?
   I doubt that a picture of a frog persuades childern to eat quaker oat 
   if a kid doesn't like it to begin with. But I digress.

I think this frog is a more of a Japanese invention; he's called
Kerokerokeroppi...

Cartoon characters sell, there's no doubt about it. Just look at any foods
or toys or utensils made for kids. Or take a four-year-old to the store :-)

Incidentally, I wasn't talking about Quaker Oats (QO) *oatmeal*, but their
other cereals. This one is called "$@$W$C%A!!%*%*%D(J"...

Well, it's a joy to be discussing topics of such world shattering importance
 :-)

Magnus
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
From: markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer)
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Organization: NEC America.
	<1992Jul14.064301.18789@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
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	<SANTOS.92Jul15115310@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp>
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	<ISHIKAWA.92Jul20181741@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp>
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Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:19:09 GMT

In article <JIRO.92Jul21122150@amber.math.keio.ac.jp> jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro) writes:

   $B!t:#!"$3$3$rFI$s$G$$$k?M$C$F!"$I$l$/$i$$$$$k$N$@$m$&(B$B!)(B	$B#R!%EDCfFsO:(B

Mr. Tanaka is asking how many people read this group.

Since I know some of you don't read Japanese, I thought I would point
this message out. Maybe everyone who reads the group should reply either
by post or email to Mr. Tanaka. I think a lot of us would be interested
in the result.

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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
            <1992Jul29.141419.27749@rkna50.riken.go.jp> 
            <CLAUDE.92Jul30120838@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> 
            <1716@miho.seiko.snet.or.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:46:09 GMT

>In article <1992Jul29.141419.27749@rkna50.riken.go.jp>, I wrote:
>>     I have encounterd the same expressions elsewhere.  And, in my knowledge
>> there are four intonations in Chinese.  Is it like { - , \ , / , v } ?
>>     And the main question is, which corresponds to which (1, 2, 3, 4)?

To my previous post as above, there were two kind answers.
$B$3$N4V$N>e$N$h$&$J;d$NEj9F$K!"Fs?M$NJ}$+$i?F@Z$J$*Ez$r$$$?$@$-$^$7$?!#(B
 
In article <CLAUDE.92Jul30120838@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> 
claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

>1) No accent
>2) /  accent
>3) \/ accent (like a check mark)
>4) \  accent
>5) .  accent

In article <1716@miho.seiko.snet.or.jp> 
shiyan@miho.seiko.snet.or.jp (shiyan) writes:

>I'm a Chinese from Beijing. This is my first time to post.
>
>(1,-),(2,/),(3,v),(4,\) $B$G$9!#(B

Thank you very much!! $B!!(BClaude writes fifth accent and Shiyan doesn't.  
But Claude will agree if I believe totally to a native speaker. :-)
$B$I$&$b$"$j$,$H$&!*(B  $B$?$@!"%/%m!<%I$O#5HVL\$N%"%/%;%s%H$r=q$$$F$k$,%7%d%s(B
$B$N$K$O$J$$!#$G$b!"KM$,%M!<%F%#%V%9%T!<%+!<$N8@$&$3$H$r?.$8$?$H$7$F!"(B
$B%/%m!<%I;a$bE\$i$J$$$h$M!)(B

Then, I'll practice it.  Nie1 Hao2?$B!!(Bright?
$B$G$O!"$5$C$=$/N}=,$r!#!!%K!<%O%*!)(B  $B2q$C$F$^$9!)(B

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Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
From: markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer)
Subject: Re: Tatami (Re: milk and ...) (English)
Organization: NEC America.
	<2069@aegis.or.jp> <1992Jul20.034658.17054@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	<2098@aegis.or.jp> <1992Jul21.020519.29899@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:28:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.020519.29899@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

   > One might have thought so, but whatever they were after was *inside*
   > my PCs!

      ... that's a mistery ... why do ants prefer your PCs?

I had an experience with ants once that might be related. I noticed a
trail of ants that lead behind a night stand in my bedroom. Expecting to
find where the pesky little buggars were getting into my house, I pulled
the night stand out from the wall. The night stand had a phone on it
that required a transformer plug. The transformer plug was plugged into
the wall behind the night stand and stayed nice and warm. The ants had
appearantly decided it was the perfect place to make a nest. The whole
colony was back there. Eggs, workers, soldiers, probably a queen
somewhere. It was really bizarre.

Maybe your ants were just looking for a nice warm place to hang out.

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: No Response to English Articles? [English]
Date: 31 Jul 92 06:53:57 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI) writes:

[* history omitted *]

>  But when you have some questions on a certain Japanese things,
>please don't hesitate to post other fj groups. Of cource, there are
>some Japanese who dare not to read English articles, but IMHO, any
>questions and other articles shall be (also) posted to proper
>newsgroups to get more proper answers.

Hold on. What is a 'proper' newsgroups and/or a 'proper' answer?
Who, other than the poster, is qualified to detemine what is
'proper'? 

>  As you may already know, some complains that there are too many
>English articles in fj.misc, and some of which have any relations in
>both foreigners and miscellaneous subjects. It sounds very reasonable
>for me and I myself spend a lot of time to dig your article out from
>many ones on making the new newsgroup.

Yes, some people can always find something to complain about :-)

As for having to spend a lot of time digging out my article, isn't
this normal for the net? I reading fj.misc, fj.news.group and 48
newsgroups in English. I'm always having to sort through lots of
stuff that I'm not interested in...

>And it's too easy for such Latin-alphabet-distasters to distinguish
>English and Japanese articles than to distinguish Swedish and
>Norwegian. :-)

Yeah, one look at the screen (1/10th of a second) and you know the
difference between English and Japanese! 

>P.S. Sorry, I can't responed to you till about 8/8.

Ahh, must be vacation time. Have a good time!

Dave

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