From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and Christianity
Summary: it's very simple; really
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:46:35 GMT
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Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr10.023852.28190@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen) writes:

> In article <92100.181336QAA@psuvm.psu.edu> QAA@psuvm.psu.edu (Tim Bieling) writes:

> >God made me gay, it's that simple.  The sin for me would be to lie to

> Tell me something...  Why would he do this to you?

Do you grant that there is some good in our, each individually, approximating
in some degree the condition of Christ?  If so, the answer is very simple;
of all possible conditions of humanity at the present moment, that which
is closest to being "despised and rejected of men" is the condition of being
homosexual.  If we are to be Christlike, then at the moment one route, and
maybe the "easiest" to this ?desirable state is to be gay.

> If I thought God had
> made me gay in todays society I would probably be more than a little
> angry with him.

With allowance for differences of phrasing by those who agree but have
rejected the whole basis of your statment (along with God), then you
have indeed indentified a common (the most common?) reaction in our world
to the discovery that we are what we are -- given the simplistic claims
of people like you, the choice is between the REALITY of our being and
the phantasy that you want so desperately, and ignorantly, to fob off on
God.  Which leaves everyday "Christianity" looking pretty worthless and
sick.

More than a few gay and lesbian people, seeing exactly what YOU see,
are indeed "more than a little angry with" God -- or more precisely,
with arrogant fools like you who think they can speak for God and do
so with the apparent goal of demeaning, obliterating and mutilating us.

And that is an argument I, as a gay Christian, am not generally willing
to enter into with my gay and anti-Christian brethren.  For they are
right -- the God you tout is a superstitious non-entity compared to the
reality that we have come to know.  A reality more truly God's than any
I am able to recognize in YOUR formulaic and unrealistic nonsense.

> God doesn't do anything without a purpose, so I am wondering
> what this purpose is.  If it exists I realize that we can't know what God is
> thinking, but I would like to hear any thoughts.

Why should YOU be granted any understanding of God's purpose for me?
Don't you have enough problem with your OWN relation to your Lord?
Are you really so thoroughly saved that you can meddle in my salvation?

> On that same note would God allow the Bible to become warped?

And how, exactly, is God to "prevent" idiots from warping ANYTHING that
is written by his inspired agents?  That's a serious question, actually.

> Why must love incur sex?  Truly the "highest" love we can have one for
> another is that which Christ has for us - "...even as I have loved you".
> This was _never_ even remotely sexual in nature.

You're sure of that, are you? why?  Why is Jesus' love for us NOT sexual
in nature?  I can't think of anything which would contradict that claim.
(Neither do I argue for it -- I just wonder why you are so eager to assert
this putative "fact")  What is it that bothers you about sex?  Why do you
think Jesus (or the Father) shares YOUR concern?  What the hell *is* this
hangup YOU have about sex?  Why must love NOT incur sex?  That is as odd
a proposition as I have ever seen.  How do you go about justifying it?

> 12 All things are lawful for me, but      \
> not all things are profitable.  All things |-IMPORTANT!! Just because we are
> are lawful for me, but I will not be       | not bound by law doesn't mean
> mastered by anything.                     /  we do whatever we want.

Fine.  Why do you assume that those arguing against you claim that "we
can do whatever we want?"  Are you really unable to cope with our REAL
claims, that you must manufacture nonsense against us?

Instead of blathering on in your own ignorant idiocy, in the malicious
intent to condemn us without knowing a DAMN thing about what you are
pretending to talk about, why don't you just SHUT UP?
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."