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From: pz@keps.kodak.com (Paul Czarnecki)
Subject: Re: Land Speed Record
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:51:34 GMT

In article <l8i35pINNncp@news.bbn.com> tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue) writes:
>Hal Needham's "Budweiser Rocket" probably reached the highest top speed
>(reportedly clocked by USAF radar at over 720 MPH), but failed to make a
>return run within the 1-hour time limit imposed by the FIA.  Ergo, no
>record.

This car had a Sidewinder missle attached.  It was of course used for
additional thrust.  Hal was a little bemused by the fact he had a
missle mounted inches from his helmet.

>Most of this is from the excellent book by Tremayne and Posthumous(sp?),
>"Land Speed Record"; some is from memory.

The first episode of "The Power and the Glory" was on LSRs.  I no
longer have the tape so I can't play it back for his exact quote.
This is a very good episode and a wonderful introduction to LSRs.  I
knew almost nothing about them before watching.

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:31:02 -0400 
From: Michael Robe <mr4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Boutsen

Hello there!

Any news of what Thierry Boutsen will be driving next year?

Michel.
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM
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Subject: Re: Driver-owned teams; are they the best?
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:23:13 GMT
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In article 465@minster.york.ac.uk, pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes, apropos of
successful driver-owned Grand Prix teams:

> Brabham, and McLaren! -- Sir Jack Brabham drove his own cars from 1962 to
> 1970, and Bruce McLaren drove his own cars from 1966 to 70.
>
> _Unsuccessful_ driver-owned F1 teams - well, Merzario comes to mind...

Note that in the days before private entrants were banned from F1 it was not
unusual for a driver to have his own team.  If one limits consideration to
"constructors" in some sense we can add:

Amon
Hill
Rebaque
Surtees

and, expanding slightly,

Bellasi (purpose-built for Silvio Moser)
the 1973 Ensign (purpose-built for Rikki von Opel)
Lyncar (purpose-built for John Nicholson)

Not exactly a list to shake the earth.  I think that the American experience
(NASCAR and IndyCar) suggests that a driver-owned team is unlikely to succeed
unless the driver is prepared to hand team management entirely over to some
other competent person and concentrate on the driving.  Any attempt to do it
all is probably doomed.

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
    TV dinner by the pool; I'm so glad I finished school!
				- Frank Zappa


From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:06:09 GMT
Subject: On Board Cameras
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
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Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


	I don't understand. Why do they go to all the trouble of fitting
	On Board Cameras to several cars in different positions, and 
	imposing an extra weight limit for those without one, when in a 
	2 hour GP all you see is a quick few seconds glimpse through them ?

	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Winning F1 at Hungary
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:18:54 GMT


In article <71Nx03HU60Gl00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>,
nxn@uts.amdahl.com (David J. Nixon) writes:
|>
|>winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
|>>[...]  The way Berger set up Mansell and caught him napping
|>>was masterful.
|>
|>Was this the first corner pass or later in the race?
|>In the first corner, Mansell was clearly blocked (beaten to the corner
|>really) by Patrese, and in the other pass, either Mansell made an error
|>or the car faltered momentarily.

I was referring to the pass later in the race, not at the first corner.  It
didn't look like there was any faltering of the car.  It looked like Mansell
simply didn't think he had to protect his line in that corner because he
didn't think Berger would try anything there, when in fact Berger had been
trying odd lines through that corner off and on.  Berger saw an opportunity
and seized it with both hands.

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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: NASCAR: Clifford Allison, 1965-1992
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:43:09 GMT

The muse of racing can be a cruel mistress, and no one is immune...

Clifford Allison, younger brother of Davey, was killed while practicing
for the BGN event at Michigan yesterday.  According to ESPN, he was 27
years old.

Clifford was making his first run at BGN this season, and was contending
for Rookie of the Year in that division.  He has also been running ARCA
some, and won an ARCA race earlier this year.

I will try to come up with more information about his career this
weekend.  I believe he had won several track championships at Birmingham,
and had several wins in the tough All Pro circuit.

My condolences to the Allison family and friends.

-- 
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 02:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.194819.16295@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky) writes:
>stiff competition.   i'm leaning towards the view that mansell
>will retire, for this very reason...a competitive driver
>in an equivalent vehicle might be too much for him to take
>next season.

If he does retire, after Frank Williams announces that Prost will
join the team, then everyone will call him a weeny.

If he retires before the announcement, he'll still be called a
weeny since he would presumably be tipped off beforehand.
(hell, even we know that Prost will sign. :-)

No matter what he does, even at the present time we all know that
he's a whiner, since he's already whining about how difficult it'll be
to drive with a top notch driver in the same team.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Subject: Re: McLaren's newfound speed
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.231751.16694@syacus.acus.oz.au> roberts@syacus.acus.oz.au (Robert Salier) writes:
>
>
>>No, Senna DID have more speed.  He pretty well dogged it around the rest
>>of the course and focussed everything on getting a super launch out of
>>the last turn.  Naturally, he carried those extra revs (plus driving
>>down the dirty side of the course whenever Nige was at all close) to
>>hold his lead.  That was the whole contest between Mansell and Senna
>>yesterday: who can get the best launch out of that turn.  The result was
>>a draw which left the leader in front.
>
>Here's another theory:
>
>I wouldn't put it past Honda/McLaren to give Berger and Senna unequal
>cars, but perhaps Senna was running less wing.  On a circuit where the
>only real passing opportunity is at the end of the main straight, this
>may well have made good sense.  Senna would trade a little grip in the
>turns where Mansell would find it hard to get past anyway.
>
Both Senna and Berger got eaten up every lap all around the track, except
for the main straight, Senna especially so. So I think your theory is right,
that Senna's car setup was the best for getting a lot of speed out of the
only corner that really mattered. Anyway, with the Honda engine, he just
needed to be as fast as anyone else, since he had more horsepower than anyone
else (at least Renault didn't have enough to get by without more of a
dragstrip).

Jeff
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Alboreto: 11 starts, 11 finishes
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:24:11 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

That's all folks

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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: NASCAR at INDY??
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.160756.13544@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>There's one other quotient in this NASCAR at Indy questions
>that we haven't addressed.  IMS, as most know, is NOT in the
>city of Indianapolis.  It resides in Speedway, Indiana.  Each
>year, the month of May causes a very large disruption for the
>city's services.  While I'm sure this is most welcome, for
>financial aspects, on a yearly basis -- when the 500 is completed
>things can go back to normal for the next 11 months.  One might
>consider that Speedway may not want to put up with the disruption
>more than once per year.

on the other hand, IMS _is_ Speedway; it is the single largest
taxpayer, almost certainly representing the vast majority of
Speedway's budget.  other prominent taxpaying residents of Speedway
are various concerns like Goodyear racing, and a host of vendors,
concession stands, and the like which are completely dependent
on one race a year.  i don't think that Speedway will complain too
much.

>I've learned that Max Mosley is planning on being in the are on Labor
>Day weekend, ostensibly to attend the NHRA Nationals at IRP.  It may
>be a convenient time for Tony George to show Max the road course plans.

i'd be curious to see what kind of road course they end up with.
i'm rarely enthusiastic about road courses built around ovals and/or
drag strips; drag strip courses aren't so bad (sears point looks fun,
and gateway in st. louis was suprisingly fun to drive as well), but
i find the north road course at pocono terminally boring, and the road
course at NHIS is more than a little strange.  on the other hand,
the lower banking may make a design easier.  if they weren't putting
the golf course on the east side, it might have been neat to take a
road course across the back stretch briefly.  sigh.

richard
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From: vincent@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Jean-Francois Vincent)
Subject: Villeneuve at Trois-Rivieres
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:54:32 GMT

Patrick Carpentier, a new pilote this year is doing great!  He's 5th but was at
some point in the qualification 2nd.  Patrick and Jacques are "friends" since
they learned to drive at the same school, the same year.

I'm off for the race track!  I'll report laer today the qualif. grid for sunday.
Jean-Luc

P.S.  Sorry for the bad use of english/bad expressions.  Try to understand the
      more that you can, I tried to use my best english!

 
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Race Cards Question
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:35:06 GMT

Posted for a friend who is a serious racing card collector:

Does anyone know for a fact that there were ANY Sports Star
Photo Cards of Bill Elliott issued prior to 1986?  It would
HAVE to have been a NASCAR-licensed card.  

If '86 turns out to be the first edition, he's got a keeper.

Thanks muchly
-c'ball-
From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Land Speed Record
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:20:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

In article <tlm1.713672999@Ra.MsState.Edu>, tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu
(Terry Matula) writes:
|> The speed of sound at sea level is about 742 mph.  It decreases with
|> altitude until it is about 661 mph at 36,000 feet.
|> Now, assuming that the speed of sound/altitude relationship is linear.  
|> (Not true, I know.)  Here would be the speed of sound at various heights: 

[ ... ]

|> Also, anybody know the true speed of sound/altitude relationship?


I have the following formulas from a ballistic application
(using the metric system and written in Mathematica syntax):

  t0 = 273.15;  (* [Kelvin], equals 0 centigrade *)

  t[h_] := 284.0 - 0.0055*h;  (* [Kelvin] *)
  (* temperature at altitude h (measured in [meters above sea level]) *)
  (* this holds only for 0 <= h <= 11000 *)

  v0 = 331.45;  (* [m/s] *)
  (* speed of sound at temperature t0 *)

  v[h_] := v0 * Sqrt[ t[ h ] / t0 ];
  (* speed of sound at altitude h (assuming "standard temperature") *)

With these formulas I get approximately 756 mph at sea level and 671 mph
at 36,000 feet (10972.8 m).  Note, however, that these formulas depend
on the notion of a "standard" temperature at a given altitude.  Also,
according to the above formulas, the assumption that the speed of
sound / altitude relationship is linear is pretty close to the truth.

(I have no idea as far as the accuracy of these formulas is concerned,
however.)

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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: acronyms wanted
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:25:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM


If anybody out there has compiled a list of auto sport acronyms,
would you do me, and probably some others, a favour and post it?
Example:

SCCA Sports Car Club of America

Know whut Ah mean?

Thanx.

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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Potted History of Brabham (was Re: driver owned teams in F1)
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:24:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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Thomas Cohen (thos@suite.sw.oz.au) wrote:
: On the other hand, McLaren's F1 efforts were not as inspiring, with
: diversions into Alfa and Serenissima which were not successful.

The Serenissima engine was good enough to give McLaren their first point --
it was far superior to the linered-down 4.2 Ford V8 they started out using,
which made a lot of noise but was _far_ too short-stroke to be of any use.
Lesson Number 1: Reducing an engine from 4.2l to 3.0l does it no good.

Pete
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From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna in 1993
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:43:30 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug17.193109.29980@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden) writes:

>In article <Bt54Az.7u4@apollo.hp.com> johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes:
>>In article <93845@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>>>Where did you people hear that Senna said he'd drive for Williams
>>>for free?
>>Spot the subtle distinction:
>>        Senna would drive a Williams for free.
>>                            ^^^^^^^^
>>        Senna won't drive a Ferrari  for $25M.
>>                            ^^^^^^^
>
>Simply as a matter of support ... I heard the LATTER on the broadcast.  I too 
>would like to know where this driving for free was heard.  I distinctly remember
>the point that Seena would NOT drive Farrari for $25M.
>
>-Spenser

The statement came from James Hunt commentating on the BBC. Senna had actually said
this to him that morning.

He (Hunt) also reconed Prost had already signed for Williams and Mansell was asking
for $23M. Although Prost publically welcomed Sennas statement, there were suggestions
he would stop at nothing to block Sennas move.


---Andrew

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From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:25:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug16.201202.22589@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>At least now we don't need to debate anymore whether Nigel can pass
>anyone cleanly or not. He did get past Gerhard Berger cleanly.
>
>Of course, getting past Senna, even while driving a superior car,
>always appears to be far more difficult.
>
>Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada


i'm not so sure about the "superior car" notion any more...
without elf's magic molecules, and with mclaren using
traction control of engine response, things seemed a bit
closer (recognizing that patrese was still out in front with
a commanding lead for a while there...let's face it, the
guy was desparate)

the fuel rules should have been enforced long ago...but
nonetheless i sure am pleased that nigel won the WC!

re: prost comments about senna's sexual preferences...any
one have any details?  anyone care to quote from the article?

duane
From: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Senna in 1993
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:36:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: nicos@csa



Where did you people hear that Senna said he'd drive for Williams
for free?

What I heard was that Senna turned down Ferrari's offer of $25M




Or did I misunderstand?



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From: mental@cntrol.enet.dec.com (ken mental)
Subject: Wanna see some sprint car racing.
Keywords: dirt, sprint
Reply-To: mental@cntrol.enet.dec.com (ken mental)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:35:24 GMT



	Does anybody know of any dirt tracks in MA/NH that run 
	World of Outlaw type sprint cars? Is there anything within a 
	few hours drive of Boston?

	They're all over the place in Ohio, but I haven't run across any 
	up here yet.

	
	Thanks!
	/ken



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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Potted History of Brabham (was Re: driver owned teams in F1)
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:57:11 GMT
Keywords: brabham,mclaren

In <1992Aug18.230110.5423@bohra.cpg.oz.au> jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman) writes:

>Hi there,
>sombody mentioned 'mildly successful driver owned teams in F1' - how about the
>FIRST successful one  - BRABHAM - jack having won WC in 1959,60 for COOPER,
>he started his own team for the 1966 3litre formula with a derivation of the
>BOP alloy block  motor. Hw won in 1966, his team mate denny hulme (kiwi) in
>1967 or 8, and I think jack again a coupl;e of years later. Bruce mclaren
>I dont remember how successful he was in the early years - most of their

OK, from the beginning, Brabham created his own team in (I think '62)
and was competitive, say on level with the Benetton team now.
The team came to prominence with the rise of the 3 litre formula ('The
Return to Power') as he made a very canny decision to go quick and simple
with the Buick based Repco V8. Whilst not being very powerful (max ~350bhp)
the opposition were not much better, and decidedly heavier and more
complex (Ferrari V12, Maserati V12, Honda V12, BRM H16 (ho ho)) Oh, and
a few pensioned off 2.7 Climax units. The car was a standard space frame
design, basically an F2 car with an F1 powerplant. Brabham won the first
year, 1966, and then his teammate, and fellow antipodean Denis (Denny) Hulme
won in '67. In '67 the Cosworth DFV appeared, and this changed everything
in F1. Repco tried DOHC, radially opposed valves and all sorts of other
things, but they were never equal on power and the reliability disappeared.
So, in 1969 Brabham went Cosworth. In 1970, Brabham himself won a couple
of GPs, and nearly won a few more. Then he retired.

On the other hand, McLaren's F1 efforts were not as inspiring, with
diversions into Alfa and Serenissima which were not successful.
Bruce won a GP, more by perseverence than anything else, in 1967 (?)
but not much else.

>success was in CAN-AM certainly. When bruce was killed testing, and jack 
>retired, that was the end of the owner driver teams.

Not quite. There was Surtees and Hill, but after Surtees retired he 
still set up the cars the way he wanted them and not his drivers (ref.
Alan Jones's autobiography), and G Hill was just getting somewhere
after he retired.

>Jack said once when asked how fast do you race to win, ' As slow as possible'.

Also said that his mission in life was to 'straighten out all the corners'

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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Sennas $0.00 offer
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:16:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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Roger Virgo (rsv@gdwb.oz.au) wrote:
: 
: No way would Marlboro foot the bill, Williams is a Camel team.
: 
: Roger and out.


Yes, but if Honda pull out of F1 AND Senna and Berger both want to
leave McLaren, would Marlboro still feel well-disposed towards
sponsoring McLaren? OK, they've been there for eighteen years, but
tradition is no reason to stay! This could be the ultimate test of
Ron's salesmanship!

pete
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