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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Book-title modesty
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:40:40 GMT

In article <1jqi95INNst9@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.132129.46644@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>It occurred to me the other day that I feel compelled, when carrying a
>>book in public, to conceal the title, usually by carrying it with the
>>front cover toward my body.  Observation bears out my hunch that many
>>others do the same, at least if the book they're carrying falls into
>>the category of Good Literature (which much narrows the database of my
>>observation).
>>
>
>	Wow, I wonder what you classify as Good Literature... :)
>	If I carry a book around, I proudly display the title;
>	you even meet people this way:  I recall once carrying
>	around a copy of Darwin in a mall here, and met a pretty
>	biology grad student who's interest was thereby piqued.
>

Heck, I've been known to read some books merely because I want people to
see the title.  _Sabotage in the American Workplace_ was particularly fun
to read in the breakroom at work . . . 

	-- Stewart "looking for a copy of _The Last Days of Christ the
			Vampire_.  Author's last name began with 'E'" Tame

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Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:26064 alt.sex:42893
From: 00mlschmalz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Foucault, Faggotry, Fun Times to Come...
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:02:20 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>StarOwl@uiuc.edu (Michael D. Adams) writes:
> # Yes, homosexuals are sometimes glamorized or tabloidized in the news and
> # entertainment media, but I wouldn't say that homosexuality is "encouraged."
> 
> Perhaps you need to move to San Francisco, and watch local television
> for a while.
> Clayton E. Cramer 

Oh, Gawd.. a homophobe in San Francisco?  What a massochist :^)
I'd invite you here to the Midwest, where you'd fit in, but I don't 
like you.  

-- 
   Sparky!!
   marc@bsu-cs.bsu.edu   00mlschmalz@virgo.bsuvc.bsu.edu  
   "I'm a carton of hate."  "I'm a wedge of spite."
            -Milk and Cheese, Dairy Products Gone Bad
From: ds@tejas.watson.ibm.com (Dinkar Sitaram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: INDIAN (ENGLISH) LITERATURE
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: ds@tejas.watson.ibm.com (Dinkar Sitaram)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Research

In article <1993Jan26.163600.4174@spider.co.uk>, ian@spider.co.uk (Ian
Heavens) writes:
|> 
|> 'The Autobiography of an Unknown Indian' is a fascinating book; Chaudhuri's
|> Western education was so complete, that he could be a voluble
contributor to 
|> this newsgroup.  
|> 
"The Continent of Circe" exhibits his equally deep knowledge of Indian
culture, 
though the views he espouses in that book will probably be considered 
crackpottish by most people ("The Continent of Circe" is, of course, India, 
and the book argues that Indian culture has been in continuous decline 
since ~1000 BC).  His biography of Max Mueller (the German linguist who
was one of the first people to discover the Indo-European language family) 
is fascinating because of his account of the interactions between Max Mueller 
and prominent Indians of the time.

Dinkar
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Book-title modesty
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:17:01 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <1k17r1$71i@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@dipso.Berkeley.EDU (Amy Mossman) writes:

>(currently not hiding the title of Nostromo on my commutes)

You should. Consider the Nostromophobiacs. 





-- 
Anders Thulin        ath@linkoping.trab.se        013-23 55 32
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:26246 talk.politics.soviet:10706
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:24:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan25.122432.19779
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <JMC.93Jan24220019@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:

>There is a distinction to be made between the execution of someone
>believed and convicted, perhaps wrongly of a crime, and the killing
>of a 1 1/2 year old baby.  Every bit of restraint is valuable.
>
>Even if you believe the execution was motivated by malice and the
>person was innocent, the distinction is important.  The killing of the
>baby was a signal for a greatly increased level of killings of
>innocent people.

I think you are missing something, Professor.  If the execution of
Parsons et al. is to be justified by the common belief of their guilt,
the same logic can be applied to justify the Nazi Judeocide, which
logically proceeded from the assumption that the Jews were an evil and
noxious race, congenitally and irremediably deadly to the Aryans.  Come
to think of it, the same could be said about the feelings a committed
bolshevik might have had for the members of the Romanov family.

Should you like to appeal to the distinction of "due process", I entreat
you to consider the contemporary idea of "Revolutionary justice".  After
all, your argument turns on the participants' beliefs about their actions
being just, and not on any immanent aspect of the latter.

>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Subject: Re: More sf babble 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:46:10 GMT


I wrote:
>|> I would like to see some suggestions for science fiction with original
>|> ideas presented in a talented fashion. 


<3tp3x=k@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu Offers some good suggestions but
I would like some more recent ones. I have already started reading
Stansilaw Lem. I read _Fiasco_ over the holiday, I have a copy of
_The Cyberiad_ and _Memoirs Found in a Bathtub_ and  since I finally
recently got my Maryland Prince George Public Library Card I will
go get the others as soon as I am motivated to read novels again.

sidenote: Also rented some movies, one - a Russian adaptation of Lem's novel
_Solarius_

> As someone who's been immersed in science fiction, good and bad, for about
>a decade and a half now, let me give my highest reccomendations to the works
>of Stanislaw Lem. Start with _The Cyberiad_ and I can almost guarantee you'll
>be hooked. 
[etc]




Suggest some different people.
thanks.

(where is my list of ideas?)
-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Horses in Literature was  Re: Buried Treasure
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:45:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Consider TRAVELLER, Richard Adams' book from the point of view
of Marse Robert's horse. (R.E.Lee to the uninitiated).
-- 
Ted....
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.answers,news.answers
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Censorship
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:46:12 GMT

Doug Quarnstrom writes

	I am curious.  When was the last time the US banned a book?


 Laurie.Mann writes:

	I don't think the US as a nation has censored a book since,
	maybe, the '30s.



Henry Miller's _Tropic of Cancer_ and _Tropic of Carpricorn_ were banned
in the US in the 1950's.  Kennedy lifted the ban when he became pres.
He wanted to get the Post Office and the Customs department out of the
book banning business.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel. SSD
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,comp.graphics.visualization
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Visual Explanations (was Re: Visual Display of Quantitative Information by Tufte)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:11:03 GMT

A couple of months ago, there were some references to Tufte's forthcoming
book, "Visual Explanations" (including an article in the NY Times Magazine).
Anyone know when the book's coming out?

People interested in this material might want to check out the following
two books:

J. Bertin, "Semiology of Graphics", Univ. of Wisconsin Press (out of print,
   unfortunately) - a translation of "Semiologie Graphique"

J. Tukey, "Exploratory Data Analysis", Addison-Wesley.  
   
Wayne

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Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Books about, or set in, Venice and Florence?
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:28:12 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN)
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

Having recently returned from a trip to Italy, I'd like
now to read some books about where I just went: Venice,
Florence, and Siena.  I'm interested in both fiction 
and non-fiction.  Can anyone add to this list?

   Ruskin: Stones of Venice
   Mary McCarthy: Venice Observed
   Mary McCarthy: Stones of Florence
   Thomas Mann: Death in Venice
   Mark Twain: Innocents Abroad

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I signed off this list
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:26:01 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Barbara Hlavin writes:

	John Nall writes:

		So are you going to sign off the list or not?  These 
		drawn-out goodbyes are bad form :-)

	Stand not upon the order of your going, 
	But go at once? 

Or, as my Old Mum used to say:

	"If you're going to fuck off, fuck off!"

							RABworm
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Deconstructing Angelou
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:24:38 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Lauren  "Dung Patties, Not Fossil Fuels!" Crawford writes:

	Francis Muir quotes Angelou:

		... the mastadon, the dinosaur 
		who left dry tokens of their sojourn 
		here on our planet floor ...

		William Sapphire, of the New York Times, remarked that 
		this conjured up for him an image that he was not 
		certain Angelou had intended. 

	This is the first time it has occurred to me that she was 
	referring to bones.  And here I thought she was being so 
	wholesomely earthy ...

I imagine that Sapphire, the Old Fossil, was thinking of coprolites.

						RABworm
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: luuuurk
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:57:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: cyclops.eece.unm.edu

>Henry Chang (changh2@rpi.edu) writes:
>
>> what the hell is a lurker?
>

	There are some good H. P. Lovecraft stories
	dealing with lurkers, if you need a definition :)

rms
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mastodon Poetry
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:33:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Having worked with paleontologists specializing in Pleistocene
megafauna, I believe the correct (and most current) terminology
is MASTODONT. Not DON.
  (merely a techno-quibble. Those taxonomists and systematists
like to keep the pot boiling; botanists are good at that, too.)
-- 
Ted....
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.president.clinton
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Text of Angelou's Poem HERE
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:14:26 GMT

In article <cornell.727664043@vivaldi> nobody writes:
>bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu (Benjamin John McCall) writes:
>
>>rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>>>> lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster) writes:
>>>>I found Maya Angelou's inaugural poem both moving and beautiful.  Does
>>>>anyone know where I can get a copy of the text?  Thanks,
>
>>For the general good:
>
>Where is this from?  This isn't the exact wording the Angelou used.
>
>...
>>	
>>	The River sang and sings on. There is a true yearning to respond to
>>the singing River and the wise Rock. So say the Asian, the Hispanic, the
>>Jew, the preacher. They all hear the speaking of the Tree. They hear the
>>first and last of every Tree speak to humankind today:
>>
>Angelou recited many other groups
>


	Indeed she did, to include "straight and gay". Anyone know
where to get the text she actually used?



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:54:28 GMT
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University

Trumbo's _Johnny Got His Gun_ is one of the most powerful of anti-war
novels.  It is about a soldier who becomes a basket case.  Trumbo
published it during the time of the Soviet-German Nonagression Pact,
i.e. between August 1939 and June 22, 1941, when Germany attacked
the Soviet Union.  After June 22, Trumbo turned patriot and wrote
scripts for war movies.

It is interesting that such a powerful novel could be written by
a man who wrote it as a political occasional piece.

Can anyone think of other examples of well-regarded novels, poems,
or stories expressing views of which the writer later wrote the
opposite?  I suppose Pablo Neruda might provide similar cases.

Henry VIII wrote anti-protestant stuff before he turned against
the Pope, but this wasn't read later, and he was a politician.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Vanity Fair, or the long sojourn
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:31:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <15704.2b67b1fe@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.163356.25550@grebyn.com>, fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

   I read the book so long ago, I remember little except for a _Gestalt_
   impression of the delightful main character (Becky?), but one bit
   has always stood out in my mind: the description of a wealthy man's
   wife as "The Bosom."  As in: a "Bosom" is something such a man needs
   to have at his side in a formal gathering, for the display of jewelry,
   and thus the display of his wealth.  Nice satirical bit.
 
 							--Fiona

>I don't remember this from Vanity Fair (though it's been a while 
>since I read it), but this is how the glittering Mrs Merdle is described 
>in _Little Dorrit_, which is a total def jam of a 19th c. novel.

I don't remember it, either, but I'm going to go home and look for it
because it's wonderful.  If it does turn out to be from _Little Dorrit_
instead, I know what my next bit of reading material will be.  Well, after
I take a 20th century break.  The Victorians are getting to me.

Anybody see the not-very-good movie adaptation of "Little Dorrit"?  I saw
it on video recently.  Very laborious.

-- 
I can identify with steelworkers.  I can identify with workers that have
had a difficult time.      -- Former Vice-President Danforth Quayle
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Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:08 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Steve Pope writes...

>Sure it's easier to get porn, because the public's
>tastes for porn, and the size of the porno market, have
>expanded.  But the *tactics* in use now -- seizures of
>entire bookstores, and stings -- were not to my knowledge in use 
>30 years ago.  It's possible for censorship to be worse but
>porn to still be more available.  I measure censorship by
>the number of items supressed, not the number that get
>through.

+------------------------------------------SubG------------------------------+
I've got to more or less agree with Mr. Godwin in his assertion that we are as
a nation generally getting better about not censoring our neighbor's wife or
his ass, or whatever.

Although we hear with depressing regularity of regional PTA groups pulling
Twain off the shelves and drawing trousers on Matisse's nekkid men (can't have
them froggies contaiminatin' our kid's precious bodily fluids), we can 
generally get away with things over public airwaves that would have 
scandalized most folks born at the turn of the century.











-SubGenius


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.president.clinton
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Forcing the Spring
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:53:50 GMT

Keith Morgan writes:
>	How about the other quote you rabbleistas? Or, are you
>ignoring the Bible? It too has an interesting subtext. It was from
>Paul's Letter to the Galatians: " In this season, we shall reap if we
>faint not." And all you hopeful Clintonians might be interested in
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>looking up the rest of the quote. Hint: it's Chapter 6, verse 5.

I've been intrigued by the terms arising to describe those associated
with the new administration.  Technically, a "Clintonian" would be a
person from the town of Clinton, Maryland, right near me in Prince
Georges County--just outside of D.C.--which Clinton made a special
point of visiting not long ago.  But interpreting the term more
loosely, I guess we could go with Keith's implied ("hopeful") meaning,
and then there would be at least three terms floating around the city
these days:

	Clintonian = someone who's enthusiastic about the new
			administration

	Clintonite = someone who may be from Arkansas, or may be
			from D.C., but is sufficiently closed asso-
			ciated with Democratic politics, that even
			if they're supposedly a temporary appointee,
			will no doubt try to stay in Washington

	Arkanaut = derived from "astronaut," meaning someone who is
			*definitely* an Arkansan, and whose tenure
			in D.C. will be, both by necessity and desire,
			short-lived--as if they were on a strange
			voyage to another planet, planning to return
			home some day

There was an especially good article on Arkanauts, and their possible
influence on the city's character, in the _Washington_Post_ of a 
few weeks back.
			
So far this has been rab-relevant, because it concerns words, but
one parting comment for those on alt.president.clinton: there is
now available a ceramic mug and food bowl commemorating the inaugura-
tion of Socks as "First Cat."  If you want the address and/or phone
number for mail order, lemme know.  They're really quite cute.
("Now isn't that *special*?....)

					--whimsically yours,

						Fiona
From: rodin@vax.ftp.com (Jonathan Rodin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Ancient History Novels
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:47:21 GMT
Reply-To: rodin@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., North Andover, Massachusetts
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

I enjoyed "The Long Ships" by Frans Bengstrom.  It's the story of a viking
taking place approximately 980-1010 AD.  Frans Bengstrom is a Swedish 
historian of note (according to my Swedish friend who gave me the book).

--
Jon Rodin                  FTP Software, Inc.            voice: (508) 659-6261
rodin@ftp.com              2 High Street                 fax:   (508) 794-4488
                           North Andover, MA  01845
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:26251 misc.books.technical:1946
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.books.technical
Subject: Re: Ordering books via Internet?
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:32:04 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: jnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John G Norman)

Quantum books (their Cambridge store) is on the internet.  I really
should switch over to placing my special orders that way, instead
of moseying on down to their Philadelphia branch 3 blocks from here,
since someday I should get over the delusion that I can afford to
buy all these books that I keep buying.

Of course, if I learn to sew, I won't have to get new clothing ....
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Censorship
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:56:33 GMT

In article <25JAN199319221271@rigel.tamu.edu> spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>
>_Ulyssess_ was admitted into the U.S. after the landmark decision of the
>United States District Court of the Southern District of New York, delivered
>by the Hon. John M. Woolsey (of no relation to Sir Bernard Woolsey) on
>December 6, 1933.
>
>The following year in Paris Henry Miller wrote _Tropic of Cancer_ which
>was promptly denied entry into England and the U.S., and remained banned
>as obscene in the U.S. for twenty-seven years.
>
>Yes, the United Snakes of Artless letters does indeed ban books.

It does not help your argument that you are citing cases from the 1930s.


--Mike





-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:26313 talk.politics.soviet:10721 soc.culture.soviet:12398 soc.culture.jewish:26112
From: muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:22:02 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <C1FLx7.IzJ@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.194335.19755@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>>
>
>back to a basic claim, the dialectic. Within the dialectic, the derivative 
>claims can be understood. "All power to the soviets" was dialectically valid 
>for a specific phase of history. Then, dialectically, it was contradicted and 

Do not worry. You have taken too much marxist phylosofy classes recently.
I know this feeling, it will pass. Relax, you still may be cured.

Yury M.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books