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Subject: Re: ST:DSN - the ULTIMATE COSMIC RIP-OFF!
From: Tony Bruno <BRUNO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:41:18 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

-- Regarding DS9 being a rip off--

Let's not forget that the entire Wormhole thing was lifted neatly from
Carl Sagan's "Contact".  Let's see:  Sagan has an angst-ridden female
character who travels to meet inexplicable aliens via a series of
wormholes.  When she finally meets them, they approach her in a
"familiar setting" (a beach, no less) and come to her as her father...
the CAUSE of all her angst.  Now DS9 has a male commander meeting
aliens in a wormhole who come to him as important people in his life.
They seem to focus on his wife, the person who causes his angst.  Sagan
has his character purge her problems because of this experience.
DS9 has Sisko recover by being forced to face his problem. And so on, and
so on..

Honestly, I kept wondering while I suffered through DS9 where I'd seen it
before.  I was sure I had...and it had been done better, too.  Sure enough,
the answer came to me.  Oh well, you come to expect it.  Just another
case of rape and Pillerage.
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From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:16:45 GMT

In article <1ikp08$7ag@agate.berkeley.edu> carrie@plasma1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Carrie Roller) writes:

>Yes, I enjoyed DS9.
>I thought the show did an excellent job of developing
>several very complex characters, though  many of you appear to feel
>that they are all rip-offs of someone-or-another.

>I noticed that most of the postings regarding
>DS9 were fairly whiny and very often were written by people who are
>STILL crying about how ST:TNG isn't as good as the original.  Get
>a grip, guys.  No one is forcing you to watch.  

Me too! I guess since I am neither a physics student nor a chemist, any 
inaccuracies don't really bother me!  I think a lot of people have forgotten 
the original premise of reading any kind of fiction... a "willing suspension 
of disbelief."  Accept what they say is "real" in their world as being real 
and stop comparing it to what you think is "real" in this world, or you'll 
never enjoy the show!

By the way, (since I haven't run across this question yet) is Lt. Dax the 
same Crewman Dax from ST6?  The old Dax in the flashback looked a little 
like the guy with the webbed feet that Chekov thinks owns the magnetic boots.

John
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From: gen4033@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Space Rangers airs in NOVA SCOTIA WED.!
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:34:25 GMT

********************* A T T E N T I O N *********************************

Viewers in  Nova Scotia  /  Halifax  /  Dartmouth    (Canada, by the way)

Last-minute update:

	MITV  Cable 6   will be showing

	S P A C E    R A N G E R S

	   Tomorrow night,  WEDNESDAY  Jan. 6th/93

		at   9:00 pm  AST  (8:00 EST)


	There have been no promos running for the show,
	because the station hasn't received any video
	yet... the tapes are being shipped in for air,
	not downlinked.  

Stay Tuned....

		Marcus.
From: noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:26:27 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
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In <6860@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:

>they have to worry about *drama* and *plot* and *characterization* and
>*sets* and *lighting* and *which actors are available* and *fitting the
>whole she-bang into sixty minutes, carefully timed for commercials* and
>*getting the whole thing done by thursday* . . .  i very much doubt that
>these points you describe are of any great concern to either the producer,
>the director, or the writer in comparison to the points i just listed.
>so lay off, yamanari.

   Well we know they don't worry about plot continuety :-)


-- 
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From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: "AToTS" opinions
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:21:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

** spoilers for "A Tale of Two Sweeties" **





















How in the world did this episode ever make it into production?  I honestly
felt sorry for Scott and Dean for having to do this.  The plot was old and
worn out and the execution was cliche.  I have said that I have faith in QL
writers to give them the benefit of the doubt when an idea sounds odd, to say
the least, but it's episodes like this that almost makes me lose it.

There were a few, very few, redeeming moments.  The scene with Al and the
little girl by the elevator was good, but totally irrelevant.  (So, for that
matter, was the entire subplot with the bookie).  I also liked Al's wardrobe,
louder than what he's been wearing lately which has been far too conservative.

Othe than that, there wasn't much I liked about it.  Should I mention the
fact that the first wife he married was his only legal wife?

And the missing minutes probably wouldn't have added much to the episode.
It went out in the East, but how about the West?  Was it interrupted in the
Pacific or Mountain time zones?


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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:19:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Anybody else out there old enough to remember:

ROCKY JONES::SPACE RANGER!!!(with a long reverb)???
-- 
Ted....
From: ROBINSON@JGSM2.GSM.CORNELL.EDU ("LAWRENCE W. ROBINSON")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Mystery Science Theater 3000
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:44:00 GMT

____________________

Apparantly, MST3K has been rescheduled to Fridays at midnight, which
means I'll rarely get a chance to see it.  Does anyone know (1) Why
Comedy Central changed it, and (2) If the change is permanent?

Thanks, Larry Robinson
From: kilroy@access.digex.com (Donna Lettow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: What happened to Ruthie?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:16:38 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


I always suspected Tina wasn't very bright.  I mean, face it, given a choice
between sleeping with Gooshie and sleeping with Al, who would you choose?
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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: A Tale of Two Sweeties
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:05:30 GMT

In article <C0GKxJ.314@world.std.com> gypsy@world.std.com (Meredith Lesly) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.022522.10600@grebyn.com> billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:

>>...Almost everything deleted..
>>The ending?  Anything else wouldn't have been Sam's style.  Ziggy is usually
>>right when he guesses 80% or higher, so either he was dead wrong, or two
>>50% chances don't add up to 100%.  I'll ignore the last 10 seconds - that
>>they were the last 10 redeemed them.
>
>Actually, while I thought it was lame, there was a reason for the last 10
>seconds: Ziggy said that Sam was there to make sure the guy had only one
>wife. Well, Sam ditched both (that he knew of), but the third turning up
>(leaving the guy with one wife after all) proved Ziggy was right once again.

...Which was still a pretty terrible situation. I mean, we know
that this guy is a compulsive gambler. He's an obviously inadequate
husband...and look at the way he treats his children! Never stays
at home, "gifts" of stolen hotel items, constant lying, always
hitting them up for money. What's to prevent this guy from
continuing to emotionally abuse the kids? Re-marrying again?
Gambling again? Is there a fourth wife?

I've heard of "it can't all be happy endings," but this is
ridiculous! 

>The show *was* pretty terrible. And we lost some 5 minutes here in Boston.

Ditto on the "terrible" part. I have yet to see a good, or even
slightly meaningful, script from Robin Jill Bernheim. I hate to
stomp on QL, but I can't *not* in this case. IMHO.


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
				Leapers do it all accelerated!
From: emeu09@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mech Eng Student)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: THUNDERBIRDS question
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:15:20 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service


  Sorry to disappoint you but FAB is not an acronym.  It just happens to be 
what the producer liked and doesn't stand for anything.  You may also notice
that it's Lady Penelope's car registration number.

TTFN
Roderick Easton
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Subject: Re: Space Ranger?????
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 18:45:20 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person) writes:

> 
> I've seen the ads on my local CBS affiliate. Is this a CBS series?
> I think the premeire date is Jan.6.

This is a CBS series, and the date is Jan. 6 and 8:00 on "most", (disclaimer
just in case that doesn't include everyone), CBS stations.  I just
finished watching episode 2 at a local comic con here in LA.

<spoiler protection just in case you don't want to know ANYTHING about
it, but I don't think I really give anything away>
























<ok here goes>


I thought it was pretty good.  The F/X are fairly well done.  There is
a nice morphing effect used.  The villian is interesting and could get
even more so as the show progresses.  The main characters are still
stiff and so is the dialogue.  So, I hope as the actors/writers get
comfortable with the show, that will improve.  I'm giving it a little
grace on that remembering how "stiff" TNG was it's first season.  There
is one stand-out character that I did like, which is an alien member of
the group.  He is empathic, he can also sense other things like various
EM waves, and perhaps other elements.  (I didn't quite catch all that). 
He is a martial artist, and quite a good all around fighter.  His
character was definatly interesting.  The hero, is your typical hero,
cop type, tough, and here to do a job.  Basically it is a cop show, set
in outer space.  As long as it doesn't get too campy, and they can get
some good stories, I have hopes for this show.  But I will say that it
was much better then I expected although my expectations were rather
low.


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From: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com (David Wetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Lathe of Heaven
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:42:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Organization: Stratus Computer
NNTP-Posting-Host: dwetzel.mis.stratus.com

In article <14290001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com
(Tony Zugates) wrote:

> Anyone out there seen the PBS tv movie "Lathe of Heaven" recently?
> 
> The last time I saw it was in about 1984 on PBS... 
> 
> It was an adaptation of Ursula McGuinn(sp?)'s SF story...

It's Ursula K LeGuin, a faboulous writer I might add.  No idea on where to
find the movie; it was pretty good as I recall.

Thanks,
Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
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From: warlock@esds.mdc.com (Dale Walker)
Subject: Quantum Leap - just a thought
Summary: QL theory/idea
Keywords: QL 
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:56:27 GMT

Sorry if this was already seen... but I don't think my distribution
worked before, and I was only getting cross-postings.

Considering that Sam has been leaping for several years, a idea 
has come to mind.

1) What is Sam's current age, that is *when* is his 'home' time-line.
   I suspect that it continues to advance (at 'normal' rate) and is
   the same as the time-line in which Al resides, as he appears to Sam.

2) According to the quantum-leap/string-theory Sam can leap to any time
   in his past (life span).  And if his 'home' time-line is advancing
   then there exists a window of time, in which he could leap into,
   during which the quantum-leap experment facility exists.  And this
   overlap is increasing, therefore; Sam could leap into someone that
   could enter the quantum-leap facility (he should know any security
   clearance requirements, if he's too *swiss-cheesed* he could always
   ask Al).

Just a story line thought, of course this could also be used (Sigh...)
when the show eventually is terminated, the only certainties
death and taxes :-(

Comments, any other ideas...

Dale
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: new episodes?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:06:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:


>In a previous article, philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) says:

>>In article <1hurdsINN2qp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>Tale of Two Sweeties.

>I would tend to expect the "man cheating on both women" but who knows? I
>mean, have you seen the commercial....

>Sam's bigamist Leap yet.

>YUCK!


Come on Beth, you know better than to hold QL's cheesy promos against QL.
I still trust the quality of writing and the fairness with which they treat
contriversial issues, so I won't blame them for NBC's sensationalistic
commercials.

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From: cad28526@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Douglas)
Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To Max? (Was "Re: SF on TV")
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:32:14 GMT

>	Speaking of Max Headroom, whatever happened to him after his show  
>was (unfortunately) removed from the air? It's too bad that most people  
>viewed the show as a commercialistic sell-out rather than as the fine  
>science fiction that it actually was.
>	And does anyone know if any of the episodes of that show  
>(excluding the original movie pilot) are available on video?

If you mean the Actor who played Max Headroom (I don't know his name),
he went onto be in a (CBS?) show called "Doctor, Doctor" which is 
probably gone now; a guest appearance on ST:TNG; and is now currently
starring in the FOX show "Shaky Ground".

If you mean the character Max Headroom, I have no idea.  (I never got
to see him outside of Coke ads.  I was a bit lost back then.)

>Dave Knott
>KNOTT@SFU.CA
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From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Space Rangers
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 21:16:21 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

Well, I wasn't as disappointed with this show as I was DS9.  As a matter 
of fact, I rather liked it, perhaps because the characters, while being a 
bit uncooperative with one another, were BELIEVABLE!  I rather wished 
they wouldn't have canned the android quite so quickly (of course, if 
he'd been around much longer, he would have fixed everything in the damn 
station). =)


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From: heyer@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: QL: Don Bellisario lecture
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa,na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:36:22 GMT

In article <larne.059a@canetoad.UUCP>, larne@canetoad.UUCP (Larne Pekowsky) writes:
> Unfortunately I don't have details, but I've heard that Learning
> Tree University (which I gather is one of those adult evening courses
> kind of things) is hosting a lecture called "Inside Quantum" Leap,
> with Don Bellisario, to be given on January 20 (apparently in one of
> the dubbing/screening rooms at Universal, though it's not entirely 
> clear).  The cost is listed as $39.
> 
> Just thought some of you west coasters might be interested...
> 
> --
> ....uunet!canetoad!larne                          canetoad!larne@uunet.uu.net

So, could some kind soul who goes to this transcribe it for the net?
I am sure it would be appreciated by all.

                                             CloudShape

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From: ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)
Subject: Re: DS9: Dax
Summary: hear hear!!
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:20:47 GMT

In article <C0p8sw.2L9@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
> In article <ternent.21@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:
> >
> >Me too! I guess since I am neither a physics student nor a chemist, any 
> >inaccuracies don't really bother me!  I think a lot of people have forgotten 
> >the original premise of reading any kind of fiction... a "willing suspension 
> >of disbelief."  Accept what they say is "real" in their world as being real 
> >and stop comparing it to what you think is "real" in this world, or you'll 
> >never enjoy the show!
> 
> Really, if you want to whine about technical inconsistencies either with
> real science or just their own internal version of science, go to rec.arts.
> startrek.tech.  Those people would be happy to care.  Personally, I don't
> care about minor inconsistencies.  And I find any major ones simply amusing,
> not insulting.

		HEAR, HEAR!!!!  WELL SAID BY BOTH OF YOU!!!!!!

> 
(some stuff deleted)


	In an earlier posting, someone referred to Dax as a "Trill." 
I ask you, what the hell is a Trill????

	And for the record, I think that the whole "Dax" thing is quite
excellently funny!!  I really like that spin on the "beautiful-SF-babe" thing.
And the look on the Sisko's face when he realized who he/she/Dax was!!
Great loose-n-fast with gender here!!!

	And I also must add that one of the things that I like most about
ST:TNG and DS9 is their represention of crew families living on board ship.
Even if Wesley Crusher and Worf's kid are annoying sometimes, the presence 
of kids goes a long way towards rewriting the whole myth of space travel as 
this totally male homosocial thing.  
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |  Brad Barton - brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org  |  "Light the lamp, not the rat!"  |
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 crystal kile  ckile@andy.bgsu.edu
From: steve@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Nathan Molde)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: re: QL:Why do they leap when they leap?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 01:13:40 EST
Reply-To: steve@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Nathan Molde)
Organization: Lakes Public Access

Supposedly Sam is trying to put back right ocurrences
which once went wrong(or at least badly).  At least that's
what they say in the intro.  I believe in the fist couple 
episodes when they(Sam and Al) discuss this they find that
they don't know scientificly why he leaps when he does, but
they make a guess and that is what the rest of the show follows.
What the show is trying to do is say that God is using Sam as
an instrument to fix his blunders(at least that is what it says
indirectly).  To me the reason isn't very good, but the plots
are excellent and that's what makes it worth watching, not the
SF which really isn't very good.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:58:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <C0KLM3.HsD@acsu.buffalo.edu>  
v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
> In article <1ikp08$7ag@agate.berkeley.edu>,  
carrie@plasma1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Carrie Roller) writes...
> >I noticed that most of the postings regarding
> >DS9 were fairly whiny and very often were written by people who  
are
> >STILL crying about how ST:TNG isn't as good as the original.  Get
> >a grip, guys.  No one is forcing you to watch.  
> 
> Well, it isn't as good as the original.  

No, TNG isn't as good as the original.  It's much better than
that.  While there are maybe half a dozen of the original 
series that were really good, there are about 20 episodes of the
new show that are of that level.  And that while some folks rightly
complain about some of the new episodes (too many Troi
is taken over by some alien, etc.), I think they are purging their
memory about the old series in such a way that they remember real
well all the good episodes but forget the incredible number of dogs
in the series.

What has impressed me most about TNG is that it started out
poor and became good (unlike the original series which started
out well and then got very bad indeed by the end).  This
is especially true in the characterization. In the new series,
the characters started out as stereotypes but became real
and interesting people. In the old series, they started out
real and became stereotypes. (Yep, it's that time of the episode:
McCoy makes a crack about Vulcans; Spock raises an eyebrow. In five
minutes, McCoy will grumble about getting his atoms spread
around space and Kirk will fall for the girl.)

Seeing Troi get taken over by some
> alien presence every other week gets boring.  I liked Deep Space  
Hawk alot,
> even though the linear time discussion was unnecessary.
> 

I liked DSN.  The pilot was a tad long, and needed some tightening up
around the edges (and the stuff was the jewels was a bit silly).
However, the first hour long episode was quite good.  The series
has a lot of potential.


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