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From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:47:41 GMT

In article <C1FCuC.852@news.iastate.edu>, twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.172314.3498@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip) writes:
> Dated 25 January 1993
> Editor:   Kieran Cooke
> Media:   Financial Times
> 
> MALAY SULTANS SENSE AN END TO THE HIGH LIFE
> -------------------------------------------
> 
> 	Anyway, this is a very scary situation. The sultans of malay
> peninsula is way too abusive with their powers. And personally, as
> a Muslim that is, I want each of them to go down the drain. 

The entire structure of the malay sultanate does not add any value to
the political stability of Malaysia.  Instead, it may serve as a drain
to potential economical and political growth
 
> 	I was apparently shocked by Mahathir's move; implicitly attacking
> Johor's sultan, a man that backed him in the wake of Umno's crisis in
> 1987.

Mahathir initial move to limit the powers of the sultan were a respond
to the outcry of the malaysian people especially in the Johor region. 
That particilar region has alway provided much resistance to the
national theme that is being promoted by the Malaysian government.  A
few years ago, the sultan of Johor was thinking of annexing Johor and
making the state be part of Singapore.  Such sensitive issues cannot be
left to the hands of the sultan nor the PM.  The people should have a
say in public policy.
 
> 	I also wondered how other political parties will react to all
> this things, especially Pas, the so-called Islamic party of Malaysia.

As far as it can be seen, there has been no major change in the
political atmosphere in Malaysia.  Most of the political reports coming
to the international newsdesk reports that politcal parties in Malaysia
and regional states are keeping out of this feud.  If it carries on,
there will be a serious threat to the political stability of malaysia.
From: tph@cs.utexas.edu (Pow-Hwee Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Joke about Singaporean
Date: 24 Jan 1993 23:37:00 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

In article <gfMYWXi00iV385a8Ut@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
[ Stuff deleted ]
> 
>Obviously, you are some young boy from somewhere. Wonder, if I picked
>you up and slammed you on the ground. I don't think that you have the
>balls to say this in the presence of a Malay. This makes you a coward! I
>hope that you would re-examine your intelligence and stop using your
>time on worthless stooooooopiddddd jokes from sttttoopppppid worthless
>Americans that aren't funny. And, quit acting like a child. You did go
>to the Army didn't you????!!!??? Be a man then!

Sorry you didn't catch the joke.  It was not meant to put down Malaysians
nor Malays.  On the contrary, it is for illustrating the 'kiasi' nature
of Singaporeans.  

ph


Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: med50003@nusunix1.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN)
Subject: Re: Gay People in Singapore? (Gasp!)
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:18:28 GMT

Nipple rings - So Glam One.

gervais

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: Neon Lights ***
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:46:49 GMT

KOH YEN LING (isc20059@nusunix1.nus.sg) wrote:
: The ban is referring only to rooftop billboards, NOT neon lights in
: general.  If you people want to criticise, at least get the facts
: STRAIGHT.
: 
: Pathetic.
: 
: 
: Alison
:

What is the difference ? The ban was because of safety. The Power
station obviously has high voltage in it. Why not ban the power station?

Wilfred Ling 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
From: big@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Alan Porter)
Subject: romantic spots -- SUMMARY
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:46:22 GMT


I am impressed.  A fast bunch of replies!  You guys are great!
Thanks for the info!  Here's the consensus (so far).

        Bedok Jetty
        Benjamin Sheares Bridge
        Boracay Island (Phillipines)
        Botanical Gardens
        Bukit Timah Hill
        Changi Point - Beach
        Chinese Gardens
        East coast of peninsular malaysia...
        East Coast Parkway
        Fort Canning Hill.
        Hill behind the Van Cleef aquarium
        Jurong Hill
        Kent Ridge Park behind NUS
        Kusu Island (Singapore waters).
        MacRitchie Reservoir
        Marina Square
        Mount Faber
        Pasir Ris Park
        Sentosa Island
        Tioman Island (Malaysian waters)


I also got a few comments about just how "insprirational" I was talking
about.  Lots of remarks about peeping toms, passionate embraces, etc.
Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I was looking for a good place to "pop
the question" to my girlfriend.  No nookie intended... at least not this
time.   :-)

Thanks again!

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Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:02:14 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: kiasi

Friends,

.  

This is a very interesting concept. Now, I understand the meaning up the
title. In American, a nationality/racial joke, is not usually on the
joke teller. My mistake. I was wrong and only one of this group's member
was right.

One right; You say? Yes, the gentlemen who critized the anti-Mexican
joke teller as well as I. I am surprized that so few let this
anti-Mexican person get away with this. But, when I think about the
treatment minority groups in Singapore
like the Tamil Indian for instance I see why the response to my "Vulgarity" and
my supposed use of the Name of God in Vain! I don't think that the
people who scolded me faced tough racism. Well, enough, of this defended
myself. Let's get to the issues.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: suwandi@fraser.sfu.ca (A nice guy)
Subject: happy chinese new year!!!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:52:52 GMT

Hello to one and all.. just want to wish u all a very Happy Chinese New Year
and a merry Christmas?!? Hmm..... The mind boggles..
-- 
      Julian Suwandi        |  Quotes / Unquote of the week
         643-0827           |      Insanity is hereditary... 
      suwandi@sfu.ca        |      You get it from your kids.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: romantic spots in Singapore
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:14:09 GMT

Victor Keong (v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca) wrote:
: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE) writes:
: 
: > No way!!! Botanic is the worst place to go. If you insist on going, wear
: > a protective suit that covers every molecules of your cells. Coat your
: > suit with the most poisonous liquid you can find. The mosquetos are terrorist
: 
: Well cry me a river my dear Wilfred, looks like your are not very much a 
: friend of the nature, are you? Let's not try and exacerbate the conditions at 
: our national park shall we? 
: 
: Also, I don't think a body suit will be required - the strong stench from the 
: good old SAF standard-issued mosquito repellant should do the trick here. :-)
: 

Go and find out yourself with your girlfriend in botanic gardens. You
will see that her skin looks like a leprosy's skin. You think you can
expect a girl to put on a gressysss SAF repellant?? Hey, you forgotten
that girls <> guys.

Wilfred Ling

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: veloovet@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mohan veloo vethiveloo)
Subject: Re: Ex-Patricians
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:16:21 GMT

In <1jm9tuINNr08@lynx.unm.edu> rchan@triton.unm.edu (raymund ken-guan chan) writes:



>To Cheng Yang and Mohan,

>I was at St. Pat's from 1978-81 from 4S2. I'm now doing my M.S.here at
>the University of New Mexico - a rather "ulu" place. Do remember the both 
>of you. Stephen Png is no longer teaching but is a stock broker!!!

>Regards and Happy Chinese New Year,
>Raymund

raymund...
which raymund are you? were you in the same class as me?
stephen png a stockbroker?? old apek himself?? how can??
as for starting a list of ex-patricians, i'm all for it...
put my name down and i'll tracl all the ex=patricians here at indiana u (quite a few) and let you guys know.

mohan
From: tanbh@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (HAPPY LUNAR NEW YR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Food, jokes and others
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:08:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I must say I was quite surprised to read my news and found flames all over
it during the Lunar New year period when people should be celebrating the
festive season.

Maybe I have not been in many Newsgroups, but it saddens me to see people
calling others name in a manner reminiscent of gangsters taunting a person
into a fight.  We are all decent people enough here.  There are ways of
telling a person he is an arsehole without having to resort to
less-than-palatable terms.

Please, if you want to become vulgar or graphic, write to your target on a
personal basis and spare the rest of us the distraction from what is
supposed to be a great newsgroup.  Of course, feel free to write a
gentlemanly refute on this group too.  For example, I quite agree that the
Mexico jokes are quite sick and should be stuff you tell privately to your
friends and not aired over an international net.

Just a point about Singaporean food and Malaysian food.  A lot of the
favourite foods of both Singaporeans and Malaysians are the same, mainly
because both countries have had similar racial and ethnic populations. 
Thus, if some dish turned up the first time at a roadside stall in Penang,
chances are that it would have found its way to a stall in Newton Circus. 
Vice versa, some food invented by a hawker in Geylang Serai would have
found its way to restaurant tables in Malacca.

Unless somebody did a comprehensive survey on this dishes, it would be
quite subjective to say who invented what.  Thus, when one says
"Singaporean Food"  I understand this to mean "Foods that can be found in
Singapore"  and not "Food exclusively made in Singapore ONLY".  Why get
upset over terminology ?  The purpose is how to get good food, not who has
the exclusive rights to its origin.

I also believe that in a good part of the world, drivers do get out of
their cars and bash one another.   This does not mean they are bad
drivers, or those who irritated them are bad.  If indeed, we define a
"bad" driver to be "one who is likely to be a traffic hazard to other road
users", and then measure this by looking at the per capita accidents on
Singaporean roads as compared to other places, then we can decide for sure
who has better drivers. 

Please don't treat private opinions as collective attacks against races or
countries. 

--

		"You NEVER get a second chance to make
			a first impression"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: kteoh@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Happy NewYear!!!!
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:39:16 GMT

Happy New Year to all Singapore and Malaysian students overseas who are 
unfortunately have to celebrate NY away from home.

- CHEERIO -
From: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu (Terence Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Info needed on NTU Vax
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:54:14
Organization: QMW Department of Laws
	<1993Jan22.061759.21924@nuscc.nus.sg>
	<TCHUA.93Jan22033800@soda.berkeley.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 03:38:00

A clarification  and addenum:

The "Checking for invitation..." message appears on my machine in
London. When I log on from my Berkeley account it manages to connect.
However, I have yet to had someone respond to my call so I cannot
confirm a proper link between the States and Singapore.

However, when I was using an NTU account, I managed to contact
Berkeley from Singapore - the question remains to be seen whether the
other way is possible. 

The UK seems quite isolated when it comes to sending mail across. We
can't send it direct, but have to mail it through the nsf-relay, which
makes Replying to mail impossible (i.e. we can only Send). Equally,
NTU cannot Reply to the UK, but must Send. The Berkeley acount shows
none of these problems, though.

(information in the interests of net.communication...)

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From: chuah@sail-ss2.cc.u-tokyo.JUNET (Chuah Yeow Chiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:47:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Electronic Engineering, University of Tokyo

In article <1993Jan27.022443.26974@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>	With the removal of the immunity, don't you think that the kings are
>redundant?  We should just get rid of them, they are just a waste of money.
>People with no power should not be given any money. At least now they still
>have power so their salary is worth keeping.
>	Who should replace them?
>
	Just wondering, why should the kings/rulers be given the immunity towards
law. If they are not planning/tempting to do anything against the law, what
difference will it make? Or is there anything that's against the law that they
have to do to be a king/ruler?(or, to be respected,..) 

This is not restricted to the Sultans in Malaysia, but all the rulers of the 
world. And it's out of pure curiosity, no insults intended.

Y.C.Chuah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: tay@sansui.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Joke about Singaporean
Reply-To: tay@sansui.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:58:54 GMT


I got the "EH GOONDU" book several years (> 10) ago.  I am wondering if there
is a new edition now.

Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,nus.rec.food
From: mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber)
Subject: Re: Where is the best - Singapore Food
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:19:34 GMT

About this whole "Where is the best ... thread":

I think, with all those people reading (and posting to) this group we
have here the potential to do great things. We could start
collecting recommendations for "The One and Only Authoritative
Guide to SIngapore Food" and outdo any guide just published in
book form.

Why?

a	There are so many people here with ideas on what's the best

b	all of them are eager tro try out recommended "better" shops/
	restaurants/stalls

c	We have a unique forum to discuss our findings and come to an
	agreement (or disagreement :-) ?)

So lets start discussing on how to organize such a SIngapore Food FAQ.

here are some suggestions (off the top of my head, nothing finalized or even
properly thought through yet):

1	We need a voting scheme, giving points for outlets. The more points
	an outlet gets, the better it is rated.

2	There should be a requirement for people who volunteer their opinion
	to also try out the shops previously mentioned. This is mainly
	to guard against people just naming the one shop they know :-)

	This could work in that the guide is published as a ready made
	entry-form. Anyone can then pull of a rather new version, and
	start visiting the stalls. Then they can add new shops and allocate
	points out of a total of 100, say.

3	We need a maintainer for this thing. Any volunteers. I myself am
	not prepared to volunteer, a I guess my knowledge of Singapore
	food is not too good yet. (Speak of ulterior motives ...)

4	We'd need to keep separate lists for different dishes.

5	There should also be a guide describing the dishes, with some
	background info ...

Any comments?
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Re: romantic spots in Singapore
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:30:40 GMT

eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE) writes:

> No way!!! Botanic is the worst place to go. If you insist on going, wear
> a protective suit that covers every molecules of your cells. Coat your
> suit with the most poisonous liquid you can find. The mosquetos are terrorist

Well cry me a river my dear Wilfred, looks like your are not very much a 
friend of the nature, are you? Let's not try and exacerbate the conditions at 
our national park shall we? 

Also, I don't think a body suit will be required - the strong stench from the 
good old SAF standard-issued mosquito repellant should do the trick here. :-)



P.S. Hey you gotta teach me how to cover up "molecules" of my cells with a 
bodysuit - must be some new engineering innovations we have not heard about 
lately. :-)




v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (A. Yu            )
Subject: Re: 1st non-S'porean but S'pore-bred ( I hope )
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:48:56 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <C0v90D.FEC@vcd.hp.com> mkoh@vcd.hp.com (Ming Koh) writes:
>
>I was at Coleman St. through Primary 5 before emigrating.  Visited the old
>school in '91 when I returned for a vacation.  Felt kinda weird ...
>
>Oh, while I'm at it: HAPPY YEAR OF THE ROOSTER!
>(wishing you luck, prosperity, health, and all that other good stuff)
>
>ming

Hi pal!
Me...  OLD BOY TOO!

8-)

It's always weird when a big old visit those small boys.
Just remember "THE BEST IS YET TO BE" !

Al...
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   \ o.O                         -Bo Chup King-
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      U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Re: romantic spots in Singapore
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:05:36 GMT

big@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Alan Porter) writes:

> I will be visiting Singapore in a couple of weeks, and I'd like to
> find a nice romantic spot to take my girlfriend.  Something like a
> park or a quiet spot with an inspirational view...  A good place for
> an afternoon walk...
> 
> You guys know of a good place to go?

My 2 cents : 

1) MacRitchie Reservoir (I know I know there are peeping toms all over....). 
Excellent especially at the end where all the colleges/sec schools store their 
canoes/kayaks. That is a beautiful stretch.

2) Bedok Jetty - nice view of our eastern shores if you do not mind the HDB 
flats in th background.

3) Botanical gardens at night....... (never go on Sundays!!!). A definite 
sizzler!!!


Hope that helps. :-)



v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:46:53 -0500 
From: Bertrand Lee <chameleon+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: 1st non-S'porean but S'pore-bred ( I hope )
	<TCHUA.93Jan22034456@soda.berkeley.edu>

On 22-Jan-93 in Re: 1st non-S'porean but S'..
user Terence Chua@soda.berkel writes:
>The Bukit Timah MGS will be coming up soon, replacing Mt. Sophia -
>we're going to have two distinct zones of influence, one around Bt.
>Timah and the other the Dover Road campus.

The Bukit Timah MGS has been around for some time already.


+---------------------------------------------------+
|  Bertrand Lee                chameleon+@cmu.edu   |
+---------------------------------------------------+
                                        
"When you argue with a fool be sure he isn't similarly engaged." -- Anon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: tim@iss.nus.sg (Tim Poston)
Subject: Re: Joke about Singaporean
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:07:36 GMT

ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt) writes:
: Just for information, there is a movie on The Alamo, starring none other
: than the Duke himself, John Wayne.  Pretty good movie, IMHO, although the
: ending was rather sad because the Duke was killed.
That's sad?

"They that live by the sword, perish by the sword."
Nice when Hollywood gets that bit of karma right...

Tim
From: bc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian En-Hou Choy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Differences between Singaporen Cantonese and Hongkong Cantonese ?
Date: 20 Jan 93 15:01:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofLTLBW00WB6MLGsM8
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


 Another difference is the fact that Singaporeans tend to through in a
lot of other Chinese dialects and Malay while speaking Cantonese.
-Brian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Followup-To: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:29:40 GMT

IPACS PTE LTD (ipacs@solomon.technet.sg) wrote:
: Othman Ahmad (eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
: : : fleets of cars, must go.  Special wards in hospitals reserved for the
: : : royalty would be open to the public.  Dr Mahathir would no longer seek a

: : It would mean that the kings will not even be entittled to what an ordinary
: : citizen can get.

: Sorry I don't get this.  What do u mean the king will not be entitled to...
: etc.?  The way it looks to me, the PUBLIC is getting what the kings were
: originally given.
You are absolutely wrong. The public always can get what the kings have.
The special number plates can be bought by the public but now the kings cannot
have them. The public can hire special wards in hospital but now the kings
cannot have special wards at all. 
	The public can be allocated special vehicles for use but now the 
kings cannot. These discrimination goes on and on but you people should 
read carefully.
	This is the first private concessions of what happens to ANYONE who
opposes Dr. Mahathir. Tell me why do you think the MPs are loyal to him?

	The public can apply for timber concessions but now the kings CANNOT.
This is a blatant discrimination against the kings as citizens. Now they
are the 3RD CLASS CITIZENS of Malaysia.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet