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From: Antoine@osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: PasteUp (was RE: NeXT, WordPerfect ...)
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:02:12 GMT
Reply-To: Antoine@osd.ulaval.ca    (Antoine Gautier)
Organization: Universite Laval

Where can i find a demo of PasteUp?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: uunet!mwhhlaw!bob (Robert L. Hartley Jr.)
Subject: Re: risc next & NS 3.0 & 486
Reply-To: bob@mwhhlaw.com
Organization: Martin Wade Hartley & Hollingsworth
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:47:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.011934.21894@csus.edu> eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu  
(Eli Burk) writes:
> Opinions please - is NS 3.0 coming out in 92?

IMHO, definitely 92.  Indeed, I think September of 92.
-- 
Bob Hartley
MARTIN, WADE, HARTLEY & HOLLINGSWORTH
P. O. Box 88676
3590 N. Meridian St.
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Open Letter: Don't get rid of UNIX
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:58:22 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com


This is an open letter to NeXT that will hopefully engender a bit of
discussion (this is the .advocacy group, after all).

My pleas is a simple one: don't abandon UNIX, and don't replace the file
system with an object-oriented database unless it's invisible to UNIX.

I don't think NeXT realizes how absolutely critical it is to have a highly
conforming UNIX box as their underpinning. It's familiar ground for a huge
number of programmers and users, even though it has its arcane sides.

The other thing is that at least 50% of the reason I find NeXT to be the
best development platform on Earth is that its a UNIX box. Do not believe
too strongly in your own NeXTSTEP, as wonderful as it is. Without the
hundreds of UNIX utility programs lurking in /usr/bin, the computer is not
a development environment at all, but a few clever toys like Interface
Builder.

If you can make my shell scripts work with an object-oriented
database instead of a file system, then I won't care, of course,
but don't underestimate the power of being able to write things like
release scripts or use standard UNIX tools like 'awk' and 'sort'

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: dave@nakiska.ucs.ualberta.ca (David Ross)
Subject: Re: Is BSD dead? (Sorry, Avie)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:28:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.133250.7000@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu  
(Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.191534.4003@nic.umass.edu>  
a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd) writes:
> 
> >What does it matter? NeXT is trying to move away from Unix to begin  
with.
> >I think the phrase "Exorcise Unix from Mach" was used at one point and  
NeXT
> >has been consistently replacing elements of Unix with their own stuff.
> 
> Well, if this is the case, then NeXT ought to tell their customers
> what their strategy is so we can begin to look for another platform
> *now* while we still have a chance to sell the machines before they go
> out of business.  Take a survey of people that you know that bought
..
> 
> louie

Louie, I don't think that's what Chris meant.  He meant that the part of  
NeXTSTEP that is the API and the GUI is indeed trying hard to "cover up"  
the UNIX API.  NeXT would like NeXT developers to use the NX and PS calls  
in NS rather than calling directly to UNIX.  This is not to say that  
NeXTSTEP will not still have the UNIX layer there, it may just become  
unnecessary to the functioning of NS apps.
--
David A. Ross, Programmer Analyst  | dave@nakiska.ucs.ualberta.ca
Computing and Network Services     |  (NeXTmail accepted)
352 Gen Serv Bldg, Univ of Alberta | Phone: (403) 492-9339
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  T6G 2H1 | Fax:   (403) 492-1729
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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re:  NextStep 486 and misc. (was Re: Stability of Next...)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:35:35 GMT

In article <dillon.0miu@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:

>    * Windows NT is another incremental improvement... while Microsoft
>      appears to be replacing parts of the OS core and/or simply writing
>      it's own drivers, they have certainly NOT rewritten the product.
>      Microsoft *NEVER* rewrites a product.  Windows NT is going to look
>      and pretty much feel just like Windows 3.1

This is, quite simply, an insane statement.  I'm not a big booster of
Windows NT, but NT is a preemptive microkernel design in the same
league as Mach or any of the others.  Just that alone makes it worlds
above Win 3.1.  From what I've heard, the GUI is, right now, pretty
much the same as Win 3.1, but GUI != OS.

Paul

-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: PasteUp (was RE: NeXT, WordPerfect ...)
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:15:29 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com

patrick carnahan phillips writes

> Is PasteUp really a word processor, or more of a page layout
> program with some word processing capabilities (I got the
> impression that it is the latter).  Can those in the know give
> us some more details.  I've just received my NeXT, and this
> word processor situation is a much bigger drag than I anticipated
> (I've started using TeX, but it really feels like the dark (nroff)
> ages.  I know it gives you total control, but typing a letter with
> it is overkill).

It's more and more difficult to draw the boundaries any more, but
I'd say that PasteUp makes a very fine word processor. It's very
straightforward, supports the font panel and other obvious means
of word processing, and is fast as lightning. You also get much better
control over graphic elements on the page than a word processor,
because it is, after all, a page layout application.

We also support all the Emacs key bindings like control-d for deleting
the next character (to the right of the cursor). I can't imagine how
anyone can do word processing without the ability to delete to either
side of the cursor. Also, control-f and control-b for cursor motion are
much better than arrow keys for speed typists, because you don't have
to leave home row.

Joe-Bob says "check it out".

Disclaimer: I work for RightBrain, the company who developed PasteUp,
which disqualifies me as truly objective, but on the other hand, I'm
pretty knowledgeable about the product :-)

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Is BSD dead? (Sorry, Avie)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:19:12 GMT

louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
> Take a survey of people that you know that bought
> NeXT platforms, and see how many bought because they were a good (BSD)
> UNIX platform *first*, with a whizzy application enviroment.  Everyone
> that I know bought a NeXT because it was a UNIX platform.

Well, I work with the campus store that sells NeXTs.  I don't think unix is  
anywhere near as critical to the sales of NeXTs as you make it out to be.   
It is a nice insurance policy (to quiet those who chant Unix as if it was  
some mantra), but most people who buy NeXT machines what the NeXTSTEP  
applicaitons, or the Interface Builder programming environment.  People who  
*want* unix machines (ie, nothing else will do) are buying Suns.

That's my own little survey of people.  That said, I personally hope that  
there's still a BSD unix layer around for a variety of reasons.

> The competition is Sun, DEC, SGI, HP and not DOS platforms or MACs.

The competition is everybody.  I speak as a person who fields questions from  
students and faculty who are buying machines.  I certainly get questions  
like "Should I get a PC, a Mac, a Sun, or a NeXT?", all in a single breath.  
For each person like that, all the above are the competition.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: How to connect a Sun CD-ROM drive (Sony CDU-8012) to a NeXT cube
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:08:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.182306.2922@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de>  
Chriistain.Andretzky@MB3.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) writes:
>  if I insert a CD, then  
> workspace says  external disk is unreadable and ejects the disk.

NeXTSTEP 2.1 only supports ISO9660 formatted CD-ROMs. NeXTSTEP 3.0  
additionaly supports Mac and Rock Ridge formats.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
"High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
give the high-five signal to high tech."
                          George Bush, 4/25/89
From: don@b62178.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu (Donald J. Siegel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Cable Questions
Date: 2 Sep 1992 22:53:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62178.student.cwru.edu

Here's a simple one:  what kind of cable will I need to connect a NeXT CD  
ROM drive to my NeXTstation?

Also, where can I purchase such a cable and for what price?  Does anyone  
have one that they are looking to sell?

Thanks, 
Don Siegel
don@b62178.student.cwru.edu  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: bruce@tssnext.rmNUG.ORG
Subject: Re: Receive fax AND modem
Reply-To:  <bruce@TotSysSoft.com> (Bruce Gingery)
Organization:  Total System Software
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 12:44:15 GMT

karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) writes:
: Hi
: 
: My computer is working as a main UUCP site in our user group, and I got a  
: UUCP connection to the InterNet.
:   
: 
:          InterNet
:             |     (UUCP)
:           My NeXT
:          /  |  \   (UUCP perhaps slip)
:    o t h e r  s i t e s (members)
: 
: 
: My requirements is therefor to be able to answer modem-phone calls from my  
: subsystems and to call my HUB. Anyway - the modem has the ability to send  
: and receive fax, and I would like to use that - can I do that while I has  
: to let the modem be able to both send and receive data?
: 
: I tried to configure it using the Fax tools in NeXT-Step 3.0PRE2, but  
: without success. Is there a hack I don't know about, or is it not possible  
: to let the modem work as both fax and modem concurrent? I know there must  
: be some race-condition between gettty and the fax-daemon, but???
: 
: Regards,
: Karsten.
: -- 
: Karsten Thygesen (karthy@dannug.dk) (NeXT-Mail welcome)
: Danish NeXT Users Group
: Phone: +45 98 12 42 59
: Aalborg, Denmark.

Karsten,
    We had heard that there was no real improvement in v3.0 for Fax, and that
is part of the reason that we decided to produce DFax.  While the initial re-
lease only supports the SupraFax v.32bis/v.42bis FaxModem, it DOES support
adaptive answer, with pass-off to login for data calls according to a standard
/etc/ttys entry, and direct non-login fax receive (which as you can easily im-
agine is necessary for incoming faxes).

    We have not seen 3.0PRE2, or any other 3.0 version, as of yet, but look for-
ward to seeing just what in the phonekit we may find with which to integrate.
As DFax stands now, on the verge of shipment, it answers adaptively, so long as
the modem is able to answer adaptively, and in data-fax-data-fax toggle for
those which are broken (if so configured), and should allow ANYTHING to log-
in which performs a normal Unix login, such as uucico (mail & UUcopy), though
the toggled answers are inconvenient and inefficient in this regard.  Thankfully
Supra has guaranteed us that the broken adaptive answer will be fixed with the
pending ROM release.

   I *can* speak for 2.1.  Under 2.1, with the fax software supplied with the
NeXT, it cannot even switch between fax and data calls without a reboot accord-
ing to technical descriptions.  It also (reportedly) is incapable of in-line
retrains, merely giving up when bad binary data is received.

   *Plug:*  Perhaps DFax would be your answer.

disclaimer:  I work for Total System Software, producers of DFax for the NeXT.
-- 
Bruce Gingery          bruce@TotSysSoft.com        (Total System Software)
InterNet:  Bruce.Gingery@p1.f5.n310.z1.fidonet.org (  Cheyenne, Wyoming )
       or  bruce@brucext.TotSysSoft.com
NeXT-Mail: bruce@tssnext.rmNUG.org  < -or- > bruce@TotSysSoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl)
Subject: Max Serial Port Speed stuck at 9600
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:36:30 GMT


I can't seem to get the mac of off my serial port
to run at faster than 9600.

Any ideas.  Is the NeXT port limited to 9600 or am
I just missing something here??

Thanks,


-- 
Alex Dahl
dahla@lobby.ti.com           or        dahla@mksol.deseg.ti.com

Remember:  My expressions are unknown to my employer nor do they care.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc
From: a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd)
Subject: Does anyone want a parallel port for the NeXT?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:29:37 GMT

Hi,

Here at Yrrid we're tossing around the idea of coming out with a parallel
printer port for the NeXT.  It would be a DSP-port <-> Centronics adaptor
and a driver for use as a normal tty (output only) for less than $200.
Since we already have a lot of the work done with our current product, it
would be somewhat painless but we'd like to get an idea of demand before
we go putting together a dead end product :)

If you want a DSP-port -> parallel port adaptor or anything else along
these lines for the NeXT, drop us a note at yrrid@world.std.com or
just reply to this message.

la la la,
-- 
::   Christopher Lloyd  ::  a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu  ::  Yrrid, Inc.    ::
::"He said he'd make me elite for $5...I think he wanted a sub or somethin'"::
From: jscherer@novell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: How to connect a Sun CD-ROM drive (Sony CDU-8012) to a NeXT cube
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:19:35 GMT
Reply-To: jscherer@novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.000830.12312@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.182306.2922@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de>  
> Chriistain.Andretzky@MB3.TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky)  
writes:
> >  if I insert a CD, then  
> > workspace says  external disk is unreadable and ejects the disk.
> 
> NeXTSTEP 2.1 only supports ISO9660 formatted CD-ROMs. NeXTSTEP 3.0  
> additionaly supports Mac and Rock Ridge formats.
> 
> M Carling
> Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
> --

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I have seen this problem as well..  I happens when I insert a Musical  
CD into the cdrom drive.  Sometimes it works ok, and other times it  
does not.  This has also happend with my NeXTSTEP 3.0 PR2 cdrom.

Anyone REALY know what is going on here?

--
John Scherer
778 Shetland Ct. 
San Jose, CA  95127

uucp: tsnext!jscherer
internet: jscherer@novell.com
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Looking for Stefan at Stanford
Keywords: DEC, hard disk, heat, NeXTstations
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:31:20 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Stefan is your friend still interested in the color machine?
If so please send me his mail address.  I had some system problems 	
and didn't get a chance to forward it before stuff blew up.

Sorry everyone for taking up bandwidth.


-- 
/*  These are only my opinions.  Whose else could/would take credit? */
/*  - If you are anti-abortion you are passing out condoms and doing */
/*  - birth control education, right?  You also aren't trying to     */
/*  - impose your moral views on anyone, right?  I didn't think so.  */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Are the Turbos CPU Upgradable?
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:33:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8ebbyaa00Voy58IV4Y
	<1992Aug28.162634.175174@zeus.calpoly.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 28-Aug-92 Re: Are the
Turbos CPU Upgr.. Alex Raftis@??? (1466)

> Tin Yau Fung writes

> As a side note, can anyone verify the rumors that Moto will skip development of
> the '050 and jump to the '060? I was told a short while back that the '050 was
> to be a stepping point on the way to the '060, but because of pressure from
> Intel with the P5 (aka '586) they decided to go directly to the '060 to remain
> more competative.

Yes, it is true, Motorola's next 680x0 will be 68060 cause 68050 wouldn't
have been powerful enough compared to 586 or SuperSPARC or R4000 or
all the likes ! It was not intended to be Superscalar ! 68060 is going to be !

> Alex
> --
> ______________________________________________________
>     Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail)
>               alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu


	Stefan Monnier

-----------------------------------------------------
-- On the average, people seem to be acting normal --
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From: et@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: CDROM Delay Update
Date: 25 Aug 1992 18:54:43 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

brunkhorst@Mayo.edu writes:
>
>The August 92 reseller ship status list states CD-ROM drives are now 9 weeks
>out from booking to shipping.  Order today, receive it November 1.

I talked to a NeXT rep today; the estimated delay is 8 weeks.  I picked
up my CD-ROM drive from my campus reseller (UC Berkeley) about a week ago
(they had some in stock), so I didn't wait at all.  The rep said I was
pretty lucky... :)  They are also backlogged on SCSI 2->1 cables, but
those are also more readily available elsewhere..

Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: jim@ptnext.claremont.edu (Jim Kieley)
Subject: DEC DE3105 hard disk
Keywords: DEC, hard disk, heat, NeXTstations
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:22:36 GMT

I received a quick response to an earlier post I made today.  I am posting this  
on the net at the respondee's request.



>In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1992Sep2.183858.16034@muddcs.claremont.edu>  
>you wrote:
>> Has anyone attempted to put a DEC DE3105 1.05 GB 3.5" drive internally in a 
>> NeXTstation?  For those that don't know, DEC is attempting to aggressively 

>Don't don't DON'T!

>The drive overheats and crashes, there is not enough ventilation inside a  
>station.
>Please post this on the net also, since I have no post-access at the moment,  
>only read.

>--
>Gerben Wierda                 Tel. (+31) 35 833539
>	"If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there."
>	Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".



I have heard that HP has had technical problems with their 3.5" 1GB drive.  So,  
I guess the best option for NeXTstation people who want a large hard disk is to  
go with an external.  This negates the need to stick with the 3.5" format.

jim kieley
jim@ptnext.claremont.edu
From: kerchen@fuji.cs.ucdavis.edu (pall kerchen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Two monitors on one NeXTstation?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:07:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. Davis, Computer Security Lab

Is it possible to connect two monitors to a single NeXTstation?
That is, I'd like to be able to connect another megapixel display,
keyboard & mouse to my NeXTstation, thereby allowing two different
users to run NeXTstep at the same time on the same machine.  I seem
to recall reading something in the docs about such a feature but now
I can't seem to find it.  If this capability is not currently
available, does anyone know if it ever will be?  [Given NeXT's
philosophy of "one machine per user", I'm not optimistic.]


   |          "Disembodied gutteral noise need not make sense"		  |
   |			           Paul Kerchen				  |
   |			  kerchen@fuji.cs.ucdavis.edu			  |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: sadman@cccrma.Stanford.EDU (Stephen A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Fate of the NeXTdimension?
Reply-To: sadman@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Stephen A. Davis)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:20:18 GMT

In article <Bttsp4.D18@research.canon.oz.au> greyham@research.canon.oz.au  
(Graham Stoney) writes:
> matomira@disuns2.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes:
> >              The [CCube CL550] chip is not around.
> 
> Not true. It's been available from CCube for some time now.
> 
On a similar vein, is there any news on an MPEG chip?  I haven't as yet  
contacted CCube but I'll do so if no one has any info.

stephen
--
sadman@ccrma.stanford.edu	
The Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics (CCRMA)
*** NeXT mail okay ***
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From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark)
Subject: NeXTstation monitor image shakes
Reply-To: stark@superc.che.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:40:58 GMT


Just today the image on my NeXTstation monitor began shaking
continuously.  Since this is making me quite dizzy, I must get
this fixed. Is this a serious problem or one that just requires
a simple adjustment that I can make?

Thanks,
Scott
--
Scott Stark
University of Delaware
Department of Chemical Engineering
123 Colburn Lab
Newark, DE 19716-3119
(302) 831-6713
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: SCSI/Hard drive questions.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:50:37 GMT

In article <4ebcDni00WA71HOohT@andrew.cmu.edu> da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu (David  
Apfelbaum) writes:
[explanation of problem deleted]
> 
> The Questions:
>     After talking with the drive manufacturer extensively, they had the
> following questions about NeXT SCSI:
> 
>     1) Does the [SCSI interface] system allow disconnect during write?
>          (ie, Can it disconnect before going into the data phase?)

Yes. Disconnects are allowed on writes as well as reads -- it is up to the  
device to decide when to disconnect.  Disconnect messages sent by the  
device must be proceded by a SCSI "Save Data Pointer" message as specified  
by the SCSI spec for xfers that break a data phase into multiple parts.

>     2) What is the burst size that it transfers data at.  Does it have a  
set
>           burst size that it tries to transfer [send] blocks [data] at?

There is no set "burst size."  Disconnects may occur on arbitrary  
boundaries.

>     3) What is the name of the configuration file to change the mode  
select
>           of the drive?

There isn't one.  You need to get the drive properly configured from the  
vendor or configure it yourself.  If you know what you're doing, you can  
use the scsitools package from the archive sites to play with the drive's  
Mode Select pages.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
"High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
give the high-five signal to high tech."
                          George Bush, 4/25/89