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From: rane+@CS.CMU.EDU (Aaron Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Colt Sporter prices
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:42:25 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

Hello all. I am able to get a new Colt Delta HBAR Sporter
in an aluminum carrying case, with a 3-9X scope, 20 rnd
mag, and leather slig for $1015 - one of my books lists
this gun at mid $1400's.  Is the gun worth the price? Or
should I take a look at other manufacturers of AR15 clones
as others have suggested? 

Thanks,

Aaron 


-- 
Aaron Hughes      #0482      rane+@pulsar.fac.cs.cmu.edu

		Bad cop. No donut.
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Finnish rifle rewiew
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:17 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <52613@mimsy.umd.edu> by alanko@ruuvi.me.tut.fi (Risto Alanko):

# #smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
# 
# #Do you reload for the Finnish MN?  I was wondering if the Finns use the
# #same diameter bullet for M28/30 as they do for the other models?
# 
# The old Russian barrel dimensions are different from all other 
# ".30" -caliber barrels that use 7.83 mm bullets. Only the m/91-24 version 
# of the Civil Guard had the .30-cal. barrel (made in Switzerland) and 
# gave reasonable groups with the thin bullet. The m/28-30 had a little 
# tighter barrel than original m/91 M-N, but used also the thick bullet with 
# best accurracy. 

My M27 likes the .308 168gr. Hornady and Sierra hollow point boat tails.  I've
been told that you can get similar results with the .303 British.  I plan to
try that soon.

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From: bbx!bbx.basis.com!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice on Polar Bear protection requested (no kidding!!!)
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:31:07 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Albuquerque NM


In article <52863@mimsy.umd.edu> sybok@m4-035-13.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writes:
#You could always hit the bear with a blast of 5% Capstun and see how well
#it can chase humans it can't see, or engulf it in flames with a shotgun
#shell of DRAGON'S BREATH(tm).

The Capstun idea *might* work, but I'd want something real big as a
backup.

I haven't ever fired the Dragon's Breath, has anyone out there done
so?  I wouldn't expect that it could do much damage as to total energy
available would be too diffuse (judging purely from the catalog
photos).

-- 
Russ Kepler, Basis International Ltd. russ@bbx.basis.com  phone: 505-345-5232
From: kjf9619@rigel.tamu.edu (Fuselier, kent)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: recall on S&W 586 .357
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:33 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services



I was recently informed that my S&W 586 revolver was recalled because of
a hammer problem.  I am not sure what kind of frame I have, but I was
told by a gunsmith that that particular revolver had been recalled because
it had a tendency to not fire when the hammer fell.  I have been shooting
it for several years.  I don't find it a problem for me, but do I need
to get it fixed if I intend to sell it?  


                           Kent Fuselier
     KJF9619@rigel.tamu.edu
     (409) 846-2315

 "give me an army of west point graduates
  and I will win a battle,

  give me a handfull of texas aggies
  and I will win a war."

                          General Patton
From: weba@vipunen.hut.fi (Veijo P L{nsikunnas)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: UK gun laws
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:05:36 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


I am propably going to work in London during the summer.

What do I need to do to get my handguns from Finland to England?
Do I need to register my guns?

How about airlines? I bet they have some regulations about transporting
guns.
-- 
	   Two sides to all of us, with me you get 'em both
				   
			  Veijo L{nsikunnas
		       Veijo.Lansikunnas@hut.fi
From: tnev2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .38 & .357 (Was Re: Is a .22 a humane weapon? (No.))
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:31:20 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

In article <52723@mimsy.umd.edu>, thi@mips2.ma30.bull.com (Saigon Smuggler) writes:
#In article <52679@mimsy.umd.edu> dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths) writes:
### Similarly, the .38 and .357 pistol rounds are the same diameter.
### (.356 inches, contrasting with 9mm and .380, which are both .354 inches.
##
##That much I knew, but can anyone tell me *why* .38 became known as
##that ?  Historically, which came first ? .357 or .38 ?
#
#The .38 came first.  .357 Magnum was invented by S&W/Winchester just before
#WWII and did not go into full production until after WWII.
#
#-tt

	The 38 special got its name from the diameter of it's case.  I seem 
to recall that it measures .375" which is rounded up to .38.  At the type it
was introduced, it was competing against a lot of .44-.45 caliber rounds
so S+W wanted to make it sound as big al possible.

			-CJ
From: sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Terminator)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: PEN GUN
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:30:32 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <53034@mimsy.umd.edu> dbruce@athena.mit.edu (David M Bruce) writes:
#In article <53004@mimsy.umd.edu> sybok@m4-035-1.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writes:
##Where could I get a pen gun?
#
#Nowhere, they're illegal (at least in MA).

I'm intimately familiar with Massachusetts law regarding firearms.  Silencers
are prohibited, machine guns are heavily restricted, and handguns are illegal
to purchase without a license to carry.  What chapter and section number
of Massachusetts General Law prohibits the purchase or possession of 
pen guns?
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: SIG Sauer P226 vs. P228
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:29:23 GMT

well, i dont think the P7 is *that* much smaller than the P228.
i personally don't like the H&K squeeze trigger set-up at all.
also, i believe that in the M9 testing they were unreliable, although every
person i know that has owned one says they have never had a problem, with
the exception of an occasional jam.
if i need concealment, i use my Walther PPK/S.
did you ever get the info from Trijicon about outting night-sights on your
P7?
From: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: SIG Sauer P226 vs. P228
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:20:04 GMT

In article <52928@mimsy.umd.edu>,  (Eric Johnson) writes:

|> The firestar, on the other hand, IMHO, is an excellent weapon. Again, its no
|> SIG, but it is also the most compact 9mm made, and extremely durable.
|> What don't you like about it? Is there something I should know about it?
|> I know the european version is different (smaller safety and mag release),
|> but I haven't heard any criticism on this weapon other than "Its too small
|> for my hands" or the usual "I'm uncomfortable with condition 1".  

  There are two major reasons (and a minor one) why I don't trust this gun:

1) It's trigger is unacceptable. Even after a serious trigger job, the
   Firestars I saw had really poor triggers. This is very annoying when
   you want an accurate bullet placement.

2) The safety is much too hard to set/reset. This is, IMHO, a serious danger.
   Either you will be unable to reset it at a critical moment, and thus won't
   be able to fire, or you will not succeed to set it. If you don't notice
   this, you may die by accident.

3) The minor reason is that its finish is a scandal. I do not accept guns
   where you can see tooling on the outside of the frame/slide whose bronzing
   is very irregular (and sometimes partial). IMHO star did a much better job
   with its 30M.


-- 
Emmanuel Baechler.
Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
MA-Ecublens
CH-1015 Lausanne	Switzerland
Tel.: ++41-21-693-2732
e-mail: baechler@liasun6.epfl.ch
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From: rrw@philabs.philips.com (Roger White)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: bullet & gasoline truck
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:46:24 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.

In article <53073@mimsy.umd.edu> tporczyk@novell.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
#miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
##Its the video by "Second Chance" body armor!
##[...]
##show that they do not "blow up". All in all a very good video.
#
#Would anyone have an address handy where I could order that video?
#Thanks,
#
#Tony
#

Okay, I bought it as a set of two videos:

	"Deadly Effects: Wound Ballistics" (w/ Dr. Fackler, U.S. Army who's
						been mentioned here before)
	
	"Deadly Weapons: Firearms & Firepower" (the one with the gas tank)

From:

	Special Interest Video
	100 Enterprise Place
	Dover, DE 19901
	(sorry, I don't have the tel. no.)

		Item No ANT100   -  $99.90

Hope this helps,

Rog
From: sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Terminator)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: LUBES (PRELUBE?)
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:04:54 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

What lubricants should I use on my parkarized 1911 for
 
  (a) A general lubricant of outer surfaces and lockwork
  (b) A bore lubricant which has teflon-like additives

I'd prefer dry lubricants over oils, I think.

Lastly, for a brand-new gun, that's never been fired, should it
be taken down (field-stripped) and coated with lubricant before
it's first fired, or does the factory make sure that it's adequately
primed for the first shooting session?

--T2
From: stumpf@cs.washington.edu (Todd Stumpf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Care of valuable guns
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:29:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


   What should and shouldn't be done with a collector's gun?
 
   A few months ago, I found out my grandfather's luger was worth something.
   It's an American Eagle Luger, and therefore rare, but it is in fairly
   bad condition.
 
   I took it to the local gunrange where they examined and apraised it.
   It is not in the best condition, the grip is worn and the finished slightly
   damaged.  There suggestion was that it "would make a great shooter."
 
   Is there anyway to increase to quality of the gun?  The gave it a 70%
   or something like that, because of the grip, the finish and general wear
   and tear.  Could I re-finish it, or something similar to increase the
   value?
 
   Also, if I have it clean it up and start using to shoot, would that reduce
   the value?
 
   Thanks for any help you can give.
From: spickett@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steve Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Ruger P90DC
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:19:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <52547@mimsy.umd.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
#baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler) writes:
#
##took one gun at random, filled the barrel (he doesn't say with
##what, unhappily), they loaded it and fired it. The gun didn't
##explode. The bullet was shot as if there wasn't anything special.
##The extractor was ejected from the gun and the frame showed
##Did anyone hear this story? Is it really true? 
#
##Emmanuel Baechler.
#
#
#I have an article somewhere, where they do the exact same test with one of
#the (then new) P-85 9mm pistols. The same results! Broken extractor, and
#other than that, nothing wrong with the gun. Someone on here claimed that it
#was a myth, but I read the article and probably still have it somewhere.
#
#
I think this was in Shooting Times. They treaded the end of the barrel and
inserted a steel rod slightly shorter than barrel. The rod was threaded on one
end. After firing, the rod was removed, the bullet was removed, gun was re-
assembled and fired without problems. well, a new extractor was required.
I was really impressed with the test. The gun is hell for tough but I can't
stand the trigger when I finally got to handle one. 

-Steve
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: bullet & gasoline truck
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:50:45 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory


In article <53299@mimsy.umd.edu> david@iex.iex.com (David Hancock) writes:
}In article <53044@mimsy.umd.edu> rtaraz@ascoli.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:

}#... how can somebody get hit with a bullet from a
}#rifle and not loose his balance?  ...

}If we assume the weight of the shooter plus the weapon approximates the
}"victim's" weight, and the "victim" loses his balance *due to impact alone*,
}would not the shooter lose his balance as well?

The shooter is braced for and expecting the recoil -- much of which is
used in moving the gun, which is far heavier than the bullet.  The victim
is probably not expecting to be shot and absorbs the full impact of the
bullet with their body.  Which way they fall probably depends on what they
were doing and how they were balanced when they were hit.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
From: khua@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kent Y Hua)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: bullet & gasoline truck
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:30:37 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University



It is impassible to ignite gasoline truck with a bullet.  All the bullet can do
is puncture the tank so gasoline leak out of it.  Even if you shoot a tracer
through it it would not catch on fire.  I have seen it done.
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Finnish Rifle Review
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:30:55 GMT
Organization: who knows

grout!scott@uunet.UU.NET (Scott Caldwell) writes...
# ...
#First, what I know/suspect.
#  It is a model 91(without upper handguard but with the
#  stock cut for the sling  ? confusion ?)
#  It is marked on the reciever Remington Armory 1916
#  and is stamped with the imperial russian crest
#  (This leads me to believe the rifle never made it to russia)

These rifles were made under contract by Remington under the close
supervision of Czarists officers.  Therefore these rifles were some
of the best 91s made.  I think the Bolshevik revolution interrupted
the transfer of these rifles to Russia.

You should be able to buy another handguard, front barrel band and cleaning
rod from surplus outlet like Sprinfield Sporter or Gun Parts which advertise
in Shotgun News.

#BTW I paid $60 for the thing and thought I did pretty good.

good deal.
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Revolver Hammer Safety
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:43:51 GMT
Organization: Computing Center, North Carolina State University

In article <52929@mimsy.umd.edu> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
# ...
#(BTW, does anyone know of any automobile crash tests on hammer blocks?
#Seems to me that the forces in a 110MPH collision might just break
#something - and you'll have enough problems staying alive in that 
#situation without having a bullet rip through you or, worse yet, a 
#loved one who is with you.)

  My worry is that if I'm walking through the woods with a holstered
revolver that I might fall, and brush against a tree when falling, and
that would unsnap my holster and the gun would fall out hitting a rock
so that the cylinder would pop open, rotate a bit so that the empty
position was no longer under the firing pin, and then close on the
next bounce, and then get a branch in front of the trigger and the
force of the moving gun would cause the trigger to move backwards
with respect to the frame and then the gun would fire.

  I've never heard of police carrying an empty under the hammer,
and they have to get into physical struggles, they often get into
auto wrecks, etc.  I've never heard of a discharge attributed to
this practice.  I guess that by the time I consider the small chance 
of having everything go wrong at once that I worry a lot more about
other things than about the hammer being hit so hard as to either
squeeze the hammer block or to deform the hammer so it reaches
beyond the hammer block.  I realize that this is a personal
judgement on safety trade-offs, and so there is no "right" answer
and that Andrew and I am not going to agree on this - so I wasn't
going to prolong the argument until I was the above part which he
wrote - and then I just couldn't help myself.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: ole@brutus.delab.sintef.no (Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Enfield: Which One?
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:57:52 GMT
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.

The P14 is probably stronger, but it is not really an Enfield, but
more of a Mauser type action.

Btw., I am trying to unscrew the barrel from a P14 receiver, but it
seems to be stuck. Does anyone know for sure which way the threads go
on the P14? Any other tips?
From: jamaass@bluemoon.rn.com (Jeffrey A. Maass)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm Clip prices?
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:22:18 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Terminator) writes:

# In article <53007@mimsy.umd.edu> wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht) w
# 
# So, the general consensus is that the only good 1911 mags are Colt
# factory issue with the base plate sporting a horse, or the Wilson Mags?
# 
# What's strange is that my SA1911 came with a 7-round magazine, although
# I've always though they came with 8-rounders.  (Yes, I checked. Seven rounds.

The Springfield Armory "90's Edition" 1911 comes with a "Shooting
Star" 8-round magazine. This is the model with the expanded ejection
port, flared mag well, and a few other goodies. Some other SA 1911's
have 7 round magazines.

Jeff Maass                   Amateur Radio: K8ND (@ W8CQK)
Powell OH (NW of Columbus)         Netmail: jamaass@bluemoon.uucp
From: tnev2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: General Shotgun questions
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:31:13 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

In article <52652@mimsy.umd.edu>, jalden@coos.dartmouth.edu (Joshua M. Alden) writes:
#Hello.
#

Hi!

#    Just got a Remington 870 (somewhat worn, but very serviceable).
#It's been a long time since I used a shotgun, and then it was only to
#shoot trap.  This one is going to be used for home defense, trap & skeet
#and perhaps hunting, in that order.
#

	Good choice.

#
#    I'd like to get it cut down to somewhere near the legal length in
#the not-too-distant future.  I know that this decreases its utility as a
#hunting weapon, [stuff deleted]
#
#    Any idea how much getting it cut down will cost?  It's got an
#attractive sight-bar running the length of the barrel and that will have
#to be cut back [stuff deleted]
#
	There's no reason you have to butcher a perfectly good barrel like 
that.  Since changing the barrel on an 870 is so simple, you could just find 
yourself a deer barrel.  They're shorter than a regular barrel and, I 
as far as I know (could be wrong here) they have a pretty open choke.  (a 
wide choke won't make all that much difference at "house" ranges)  Also,
even though this has been discussed in another thread and should probably be
discussed in another group, using a "sawed-off" shotgun for defense could
look bad in a court room.
#
#-Josh.
                    -CJ
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need opitical spanner wrench to service scope
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:04:23 GMT
Organization: Computing Center, North Carolina State University

Many years ago I used to do some repairs on microscopes, and I
found a neat set of spanner wrenches from Edmund Scientific in
NJ.  They consisted of two hex bars, long and short, and two
thing which clamped onto the bars and held small hex stock
screwdriver like things in their noses.  These small things were
perhaps 1/4" hex stock, and came ground to several thickness 
blades and pin sizes, and you could regrind them or make more, 
and the holder things could be set any distance apart on the 
big hex bar (which was about 1/2" stock) and be held in place
with thumbscrews.

  I don't have any idea if they still carry such.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: First Pistol
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:55:46 GMT


# I had considered the Beretta and am still looking into it, however
# the S&W 41 is one of the S&W's that I have used which was more problems
# than it was worth. I also didn't consider it because the prices for one
# are absolutly outrageous and availablity is quite slim.  As far as the
# U.I.T. models I am looking for a gun which will double as a plinker,
# and those are by no means in that catagory. Thanks for the info.

UIT pistols are not adpated to plinking that's clear. I am however rather
astonished that you had problems with a S&W 41. Do you know what happened?

Emmanuel Baechler.                        | Tel.: ++41-21-693-2732
Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle   | e-mail: baechler@liasun6.epfl.ch
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From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice on Polar Bear protection requested (no kidding!!!)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:27:53 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS (614/868-9984 = T2500 | 998[02] = HST DS)

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del Vecchio) writes:

#rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:

##   (a) Is *ANY* handgun cartridge useful against polar bears?  (He's
##       thinking of a .454 Casull)
##   (b) Are semi auto rifles appropriate, or does the cold weather 
##       interfere with reliability?
##   (c) What calibers and gusn are recommended?

#.44 mag ought to have some utility.   .454 casull is hotter, but
#the ammo is harder to come buy, and .44 mag will allow a six round
#double action revolver, rather than a 5 shot single action revolver.
#Of course, the 454 will have more terrible recoil.

 The .454 Casull is a much better choice power wise, the factory loadings
are not as hot as they could be (the factory loaded 300 grainer at 1700 FPS
ought to do the job though) but are not difficult to get. Any FFL holder can
order it. Maybe the 260 at 1900 or the 240 at 2000 would work too, but
with those big bears I think the heavier bullet would be wise.

 Now, if you want to handload it a 400 grainer at 1650 is possible if your
wrist can hold up to it... 

-- 
\   Grant DeLorean    - IHMSA Life Member -   (grant@bluemoon.rn.com)   /

               "Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex."