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From: bhowmik@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Prasanta K. Bhowmik)
Subject: Used DX7 versus used Kawaii K-1 ii recommendation needed
Summary: need advice on good prices for DX7 and Kawaii K-1 ii
Keywords: DX7, Kawaii K-1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:25:32 GMT



I am a novice in the area of synthesizers, and am looking to buy a basic
keyboard that sounds relatively nice, has a decent range, and has velocity
sensitive keys.  Any suggestions for new keyboards?   Also, I have seen
a used DX7 for $650, and a used Kawaii K-1 ii for $600 locally.  Are these
good prices?  Any recommendations of buying one over the other.	 Please
email me any responses.
	
Thanks

Prasanta Bhowmik
bhowmik@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
From: Webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: re Oh, yea, about ADAT
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:37:32 GMT


> I see great potential for using a pair of ADATs to do up to 40 tracks with
> only 1 bounce for any track

but remember, there is no sound degradation hit for bouncing, only a "control"
hit (i.e. once you mix two tracks together you can no longer treating them with
different effects, different mix volumes, panning, etc).

so multiple bouncing is no longer a big deal

marc webster
From: wayne@inmet.camb.inmet.com
Date: 05 Apr 1992 18:13 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Arsinio and Korg
Message-ID: <15400137@inmet>
Nf-ID: #R:<1992Mar26:151701:inmet:15400137:000:522
Nf-From: inmet.camb.inmet.com!wayne    Apr  5 18:13:00 1992


Such naivete demands a response :-)    Yeah I'm sure that the members of the
Posse can afford Korg gear and make awesome sounds, but believe me, everything
you see on that stage is GIVEN to the band to use. Do you have any idea how
much it would cost Korg to BUY that much exposure for its products?

Ever notice that on a lot of shows the keyboards and stuff have been 
'black taped' so you can't tell who made them? That's because the manufacturer
didn't give the musicians equipment or pay for advertising.

Not Wayne


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Subject: Re: MIDI rate (Was: Re: @ Whats The Best ATARI Sequence Package .. @)
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:57:31 GMT

In article <D88-JWA.92Apr9221457@hemul.nada.kth.se> d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
>.cc.umich.edu> reb@home.merit.edu (R. Eric Bennett) writes:
>
>   150 MBit/s is faster than the FDDI spec even allows for.  The internet 
>   backbone is constructed from 45 MBit/sec links only.  You are hoping for
>   some serious speed.  Hell, even ethernet is typically only 10 MBit/s.
>
>Well, Ethernet isn't exactly the hottest thing around.
>Commercial nets of 600 MBit/s speed aren't too unusual,
>and 150 MBit is somewhat possible to make sort of
>economical on a peer-to-peer optical fibre basis.

Ack.  If what you're trying to create is a ubiquitous musical interface to
replace MIDI, then 150 Mb/s is neither practical nor necessary.  Existing
150 Mb/s stuff is expensive even for businesses; you've got to be orders of
magnitude cheaper for something to replace MIDI.  And the price will not come
down *that* much within the next few years.  Unfortunately, MIDI has a bunch
of conflicting requirements; it needs to be cheap enough for the mass market
and powerful enough for the pro user.  If you shoot for 150 Mb/s in order to
make sample transfers fast, you guarantee that what you end up with will be
a high end niche product for a long time.  Hey, if you're main reason for
going up that high is to speed sample transfers, then just throw a LAN port
on your samplers, and hook it up to your sample server.  You could do that
today.

Upgrading MIDI is a tough job.  Something on the order of 10 Mb/s would be
more than adequate for the vast majority of uses, and you'd at least have
a chance at bringing the cost down within reach.

>So if the manufacturers started playing with it NOW,
>we'd have a decent standard at a decent price three
>years from now.

Not at 150 Mb/s, not in three years.

>Remember, the higher you aim...

...the longer it'll take to see the light of day, and the more expensive
it'll be.  I think a lot of people would prefer something sooner rather than
later.

Pragmatically yours,

                                   - Neil

--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--
Neil Weinstock @ AT&T Bell Labs        //     What was sliced bread
att!edsel!nsw or nsw@edsel.att.com   \X/    the greatest thing since?
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: To: root@.sihp01.estec.esa.nl
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:40:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

Hi,

This message is meant for root@.sihp01.estec.nl.

I tried to mail you the requested MIDI-stuff, but your email address
seems to be wrong. The dot after the @ can't be parsed - and removing
the dot also doesn't work. Please send me a correct email address.

CU,
Hendrik Jan


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra - Department of Philosophy
University of Utrecht - The Netherlands
USENET: hjv@phil.ruu.nl   * don't worry about life; it's not permanent *
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Kawai line mixer (8 stereo ins????)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:32:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.2229
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

In article <31632@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Em 2 da cee) writes:
> Could someone fill me in on the details regarding the Kawai line mixer that
> has 8 stereo ins(I am not sure though...).
> 
> 	thanx
> 
> 	ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu

It's called the MX8SR and it has 8 stereo channels of input. The first two
channels will take a mic level input, and the other 6 are only for line
level. It has 2 effects sends - one mono and one stereo. It's very compact,
quiet and easy to use. I believe Sam Ash is selling them for around $280.

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Mark O'Bryan)
Subject: Re: DidINukeMy Performer in Install?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:29:26 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan University
Summary: Mac needs new thumbs

In article <NICK.92Apr14143428@campay.ed.ac.uk> nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
> In article <9204131541.AA02226@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
> 
>    This must be another
>    example of Mac-idiocy, I mean, to have to resize a window to see the
>    effects of adding a progrm to a folder.
> 
> (i)   what if there are too many files to show in a window without it being
>       too big for the screen?

The only thing I'd fault the Mac for in this regard is its lack of
proportional scroll boxes (aka "thumbs"), although nothing prevents
their implementation.  As a visual feedback mechanism for a direct
manipulation user interface, the "always square" thumbs provide only
an indication of relative position, no clue as to relative amount.

I.e., a large window with a square thumb at the top of its scroll
bar and a huge gray area remaining might be scrolled over dozens of
"pages".  Or it might scroll up 1/8" of white space, and the thumb
is at the bottom of the scroll bar.  Of course, you can then resize
the window just a smidge, and the thumb expands to fill the entire
scroll bar, indicating everything is within view.

As someone who moves between several GUI-based systems on a regular
basis, this is one of the most annoying aspects of the Mac UI for me.
It would be nice if someone could come up with an INIT for propor-
tional scroll boxes, but unfortunately, this is something that each
application developer (or app framework builder) has to incorporate.

-- 
Mark T. O'Bryan                 Internet:  obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, MI  49008
From: kevinb@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Kevin Busby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Seeking weird analog synth
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:47:07 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

For the original enquirer and anyone else interested in the VCS3 etc:-

I believe that the VC3 is still being made (to order). The address of EMS is:-

EMS,
Trendeal Vean Barn,
Ladock,
Truro,
Cornwall,
TR2 4NW
England

Tel: (0726) 883265.
From: wright@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jeff Wright)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:24:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Organization: HP IC Business Div Palo Alto
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

> I think every musicians goal should eventually be to have total
> command of their instrument (and I don't mean programming).

Well, I'll jump into what is already looking like a long string of
amens.  In my personal experience, I haven't yet recovered from
upgrading from my Casio CZ-101 to a Kurzweil K1000 *over two years
ago*.  Admittedly, some external factors have kept me from spending
the time needed to learn the Kurzweil.  I would definitely agree 
that you really need to know your instrument well so that creativity
isn't hampered by lack of technique.  Furthermore, the constraints
imposed by a limited instrument also can *enhance* creativity (So, how
do I want to use those 4 monophonic channels on the Casio...)!

For the time being, I'm trying to concentrate on (gasp!) just using
the presets so I'm not worrying about sound programming.  Just getting
to know the presets on most recent synths is a fairly signficant task.

(I realize the emphasis of the original post was on developing musical
skills rather than programming skills, but I think both are relevant.
Knowledge of the sequencer is also key, if that's a tool you use.)

By the way, what's WAVE?


--Jeff Wright                  HP IC Business Division--Palo Alto
  wright@hpctgrd.hpl.hp.com               (HPtelnet/415) 857-5351
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:12:59 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: KORG 01/W fd
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.edu

>From: Jonathon Simon <JSIMON%BITNET.TRINITY@EDU.AMERICAN.AUVM>
>Subject: Re: KORG 01/W fd
>
>Basically I agree with you - why buy the 01/W.  I came close to it until
>I heard about the K2000.  Now I plan to hold out until I come up with the
>extra money, talk my wife into it :)  , etc.  However, the person who
>originally posted the question sounded like they are just getting started.
>If that's the case, the 01/W fd might be better because it includes a
>50,000 note full edit sequencer as you well know. Take a stripped K2000 and
>a 16T sequencer and your talkin 2600.00 + 300.00.  That's a $1000 bucks
>more than the 01/W fd.  To me - it's worth it - the K2000 is a better
>long term investment.  I'd at least want to hold out and see how
>Korg responds to the K2000 if I were the original poster.  But I
>can see how the 01/W still has its nitch in life for some folks.
>

Well, if you want editing, how about a K2000 and a QY-10? The QY-10
will supply the editing functions, and the K2000 high-quality sounds and disk.
Don't laugh by the way, this is precisely what I am planning (unless I
chicken out and buy a cheaper sampler). One of the things that I hope
that this combination will be capable of is wavestation type effects by
programming the "wavesequence" into the QY-10(as a pattern),
and using pattern transposition to play the sequence at different notes.

Any K2000 owners want to make comments on how well they think this would
work?

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:56:14 GMT

Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson) writes:
 > > And it is around $1000. For
 > 1/3 the price (got mine for $299) the D4 has something like 500 sounds
 > that can be grouped into 16 drum kits,
 > 
 > Mine has 21 drum kits 0..20.

What exactly are these `kits'?  For example on the R-8 you can
map all the internal sounds to MIDI note numbers, which I guess
can be considered to be just one big kit.  I can pick the sounds
I want by assigning note numbers to the pads on my Octapad.

How do the D4 kits relate to note numbers?  How many sounds can
you fit into a kit?  Can the D4 be driven by MIDI note numbers
instead of the triggers?

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jerrymo@comm.mot.com (DX529 Jerry Morrow)
Subject: Any negatives about the Emu piano module?
Reply-To: jerrymo@ecs.comm.mot.com 
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:18:20 GMT

Hi!,

I might buy a Emu Proformance piano module, has anyone
found it's limitations in the time they have owned one?
In other words, do they want to sell it and upgrade to
something else, or are they content with their purchase.?
I tired of making uniformed decisions when buying music
equipment!  

Basically, please email any comments (positive or negative)
about the Emu Proformance Piano module to:

jerrymo@ecs.comm.mot.com

Thanks!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.misc
From: aa588@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eddie Anthony)
Subject: Digitech MBH-4 info needed
Reply-To: aa588@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eddie Anthony)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:44:39 GMT



Our bass player bought this device at a flea market and he doesn't
have a manual. I thought I'd try the net before calling Digitech.

Anyone have one of these harmonizers/bass effects that has a manual?
If you do please e-mail me ASAP.

Thanks.
-- 
Eddie Anthony...aa588@cleveland.freenet.edu..."Just your basic sweetheart..."
*-*-*-*-*-*-*If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.*-*-*-*-*-*-*
A little airline fun.....When the captain takes the mic and says "Hi. This is 
Captain Smith" start running in the aisle yelling "No...not Captain Smith..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mlockhar@diana.cair.du.edu (MEL LOCKHART)
Subject: For Sale
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 14:54:41 GMT


The following items are now offered FOR SALE:

Yamaha QY10 excellent condition complete $275.00 OBO

Roland MT32 module fine condition complete $310.00 OBO

Please contact: 
Mel Lockhart (303)455-2531 eves or (303)871-2109 days
or
E-mail mlockhar@diana.cair.du.edu

Shipping negotiable  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu (SUBU Ramasubramanian)
Subject: Indian classical music concert at Purdue
Reply-To: ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:58:13 GMT

========================================================================
<         INDIAN CLASSICAL MUSIC ASSOCIATION OF PURDUE
<         --------------------------------------------
<                    PRESENTS A FLUTE RECITAL
<                            BY
<                      DR. N. RAMANI
<
<A.KANYAKUMARI (VIOLIN)              GURUVAYUR DORAI (MRIDANGAM)
<-----------------------------------------------------------------

			FLUTE: An indian wind instrument
			MRIDANGAM: An indian percussion instrument
==================================================================

<DATE: TUESDAY, APRIL 14, 1992         TIME: 7.30 PM
<VENUE: NORTH BALLROOM, PURDUE MEMORIAL UNION
<       WEST LAFAYETTE, IN 47907
<
<TICKETS: $7 (STUDENTS), $10 (OTHERS)
<         AVAILABLE AT
<         LOEB AND HALL OF MUSIC OFFICES
<FOR TICKET INFO CALL (317) 494 3933

 NOTE FOR FOLKS COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF LAFAYETTE:
 1.Overnight accomodation can be arranged for a max. of 10 persons; let
 us know in advance (email to ramakril@vm.cc.purdue.edu)
 2. Preferably reserve your tickets in advance
 3. Children below 10 will not be permitted
 4. Directions -

Take I65 (South /North) and exit at State Road 25
After the ramp take a left onto 25 South towards
Lafayette.
At the first Trafic Lights (TL) take a right onto
US 52 West
Keep going on US 52 W, pass two TL
On the third TL take a left onto Yeager Rd.
(At this light you should see a Amoco gas station
just ahead of you and ACE Hard Ware Store on your right)
Take a left onto North Western on the next TL
Keep going on North Western. You should see Smittys on
your left after passing the first TL. After this TL
pass one more TL. On the third TL, you should see a McD
on your left and University Buildings on your right.
You are now on the intersection of North Western and
Stadium.

Pass the next TL and take a right onto State St on the
second TL.
Take a right onto Grant St. on the next TL and park in the
garage on your right, which is right after you make the
turn.
North Ball room is in the Purdue Memorial Union
which is opposite to the garage.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:15:29 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: JV-80
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.edu

>From: Neil Weinstock <nsw@com.ATT.CB.CBNEWSM>
>Subject: Re: JV-80
>
>JV-80 pluses:

[Deleted]

>
>D-70 pluses:
>	3) *might* have better out-of-the-box ROM (speculation; D-70 piano
>	   seems better than JV-80 piano, which could be the Sound Canvas
>	   sample.  Supposedly the piano in the ROM expansion for the JV-80
>	   is better still.)
>

I don't know if this is actually the ROM (might be wrong though). It seems
to me that about the time the JD-800 was released, somebody in Roland
decided that a piano patch should be made by taking a very bright piano sample
and applying a LOT of velocity-controlled filter. This seems to
be the case in the JX-1, JV-30, JV-80. I think it sounds nice, but not
realistic solo. Twiddling patch parameters may help somewhat.

Ross-c
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:37:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@WOOSTER.BITNET
Subject:      Re: practicing vs. programming (was: Usenet tape depression)

Patrick says:
>But acoustic piano *is* analog!  That's why it's so "insanely great"...!

Acoustic instruments are NOT analog, they are the instruments to which
analog instruments are analogous.

opinion from
Bill Scott
WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:16:25 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Albuquerque NM

In article <1992Apr14.225614.29734@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
>Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson) writes:
> > Mine has 21 drum kits 0..20.
>
>What exactly are these `kits'?  For example on the R-8 you can
>map all the internal sounds to MIDI note numbers, which I guess
>can be considered to be just one big kit.  I can pick the sounds
>I want by assigning note numbers to the pads on my Octapad.

The D4 (and Procussion) allow you to assign your drum sounds to note
numbers to create a "kit".  Multiple kits may be setup and changed
via a MIDI program change command.  The D4 allows 21 kits with (I
believe) 64 drums per kit.  The Procussion allows 128 kits with
24 *zones* per kit (a zone can span any number of notes).

It is not possible to have "one big kit" since the D4 has over 500
drum sounds and the Procussion has over 1000.

>Can the D4 be driven by MIDI note numbers
>instead of the triggers?

Yes.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       | 
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |    I'm Scott's *good* twin.
                                     | 
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: KORG 01/W fd
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:38:00 GMT


Actually, Ace had the fd on sale for $1850 not too long back.  It wouldn't
surprise me if Jamie can do one for under $1800.  Especially with the 'Pro'
fd, now there to compete, this should seem particularly so.  My only question
is. who would waste that kind of money when for only few hundred extra you
can buy a K2000. ;-)

John
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Mac serial ports (was Re: MOTU Apparently Now hiring...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:28:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>Does anyone know of a Communications Toolbox driver for MIDI Manager?  

No, but you could always hook your modem and printer to the QuadraLink
and then use the modem and serial ports for MIDI, which is what I do.
(I have a LaserWriter LS, so I hook that up to the QuadraLink, which
frees up the printer port for networking (I have a Shiva NetSerial as well)
and then the modem port is free for MIDI.  I have a IIsi, so I don't
need another port for sound input.

-- 
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| Brian Hall, Mark/Space Softworks                                            |
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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:06:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking weird analog synth
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

There was an article on the VCS 3 about a year ago in Keyboard, in the
"Vintage synths" section.  BTW, it was known as the Putney in the US,
but as the EMS everywhere else.  We had one in the Electronic Misic
department in Illinois, and the (now-forgotten?) group Curved Air
used one in their first two albums.  I missed the shot of Roger Waters
using one in the Dark Side of the Moon movie, but the sound is
about right.

BTW, the pin block was used because they got a bunch, surplus.

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ejm@NOC.Vitalink.COM (Erik Murrey)
Subject: Re: Miracle keyboard teaching system opinions
Organization: Vitalink Communications Corporation, US
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.155606.18170@pony.Ingres.COM>, sid@Ingres.COM (Sid Shapiro) writes:
|> Hi folks,
|> Anybody have any experience or opinions on the "Miracle" keyboard teaching 
|> system?  I'm considering picking one up for my mac.
|> Thanks,
|> -- 
|> Sid Shapiro -- Ingres, an ASK Company
|> sid@ingres.com          (415)748-3470


Just when you thought it was safe...

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Vitalink Communications NOC
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ejm@NOC.Vitalink.COM (Erik Murrey)
Subject: Re: ARRG!  GET IT RIGHT!! was: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Organization: Vitalink Communications Corporation, US
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:14:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.013339.28657@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, cwilson@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Chris Wilson) writes:
|> 	This brings up another point.  I was in my local friendly-neighborhood-
|> music-store-with-incredibly-inflated-prices the other day test-driving the
|> D4.  I have always been a strong believer in paying for what you get-  i.e.,
|> I try not to go play with a new MIDI toy at aforementioned neighborhood store,
|> ...
|> 	But is this a common occurence?  I've always felt that using a
|> local store's demo models and service/knowledge was something I should
|> pay for,  but with this kind of service,  I am beginning to change my
|> mind.  Has anyone else had experiences like this?
|> 


I find that I get more useful information out of this newsgroup than
any dealer I have met.  Most of the stores around here just want to
sell boxes and make their commission.  Heck, half of them don't even
know what the sh*t they sell does.

Beside, the people here are using the products in real-life
situations, not show-floor demos.

... Erik
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Erik J. Murrey
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