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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: The Black Crowes kinder audience members than Axl Rose
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:55:42 GMT
Reply-To: fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  Well, not ripping on Axl or anything since I do like both groups :-)

  Just heard that Johnny Colt, bassist for the Black Crowes, was arrested
in Minneapolis during a recent concert there.  It seems that the cops were
dragging some kid off who was becoming too rowdy or something like that and
Johnny felt that the cops were being overly-agressive handling the kid so
he went to intervene and was arrested for obstruction of justice.  Not sure
if the band kept playing or not.  I bet Chris was plenty pissed at that one!

  Now all Johnny has to do is flee the country and start touring in
Europe; hope he doesn't get nabbed by the custom officials coming back
to the states!

  Doug

P.S. anyone attending any of the Crowes shows on this tour please post!!!
How was the show?  Thnx.
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: bbarton@Ingres.COM (Brian Barton)
Subject: On Nuno Bettencourt of "Extreme"...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Nuno
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:55:33 GMT

Basically, I went down to my local music store and bought "Extreme II 
Pornograffitti" 'cause I thought it might have some good tunes.

The bottom line is...this sucks!  I mean except for "More Than Words" and
"Hole Hearted," this is an amateur mesiter band.  Nuno's cool except the guy
can't play an electric guitar to save his life.

He should try learning how to play a tasteful guitar solo, man. (a la Lifeson, Page,
Gilmour, etc...)

This guy is _weak_.

Brian  

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.rush,alt.music.progressive,alt.config
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.music.queensryche
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.rush,misc.test,alt.music.progressive,alt.newbie
Organization: Yes.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:08:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.220349.152@Cadence.COM> noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:
>In article <goo.711412176@odin> goo@odin.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:
>>>>Is there anyone out there who would like to see a new group for
>>>>Queensryche fans.
>>
>>>yes, this would be a good thing. someone newgroup it, please.
>>
>>Queensryche isn't good enough to warrant their own newsgroup.  They are quite
>>lame, not very original, and they suck in concert.
>>
>>goo
>>
>
>I'm getting sick of reading about Queenysucky on this news group!!!!
>couldn't you guys pick some other group to torture with your non-
>sense!!!!!! This group is for Rush!!! Maybe you guys didn't read
>the group right and you thought it was for that sorry excuse for a
>band you call Queenysucky or what ever their name is!
>[insert finger into mouth] and I fully agree with "goo" they suk!!!!
>
>Apache
>
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I keep marking this article as unread.  Every time I read alt.config
this is first article I read and I am reminded that we have nowhere
to go but up.  I think.


	M
From: rvanders@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Queen
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:52:38 GMT

Greetings!

My brother and I are compiling a book on rock groups who have been instrumental
in changing the face of rock forever.  We have all the information about the
first groups in our book (i.e. Led Zepplin, Elton John, Aerosmith, The Who,
Hendrix, and Guns-n-Roses)  but the press seems to be very stingy about giving
information about Queen.  If there is anybody out there who has interesting
information about this group or its members (Freddie Mercury, Brian May, Roger
Taylor, John Deacon) or any stories, anecdodes, or rare song lyrics, I
would very much appreciate it if you could e-mail them to me at this address
as soon as possible (as the university is currently trying to terminate all
"unnecisarry" accounts).  I ask that you do not just post them, but please
respond in person, as my newsreader is often off line making reading the
newsgroups out there nearly impossible.


THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.


                           -Inside my heart is breaking
                               My makeup may be flaking
                            But my smile stays on
                               The show must go on.
                                              QUEEN
                                              -INNUENDO (c 1991)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: bx451@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Wagner)
Subject: Re: Gabriel
Reply-To: bx451@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Wagner)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 05:42:05 GMT


In a previous article, beebe@cs.arizona.edu (Craig A. Beebe) says:

>   Sorry - you're gonna have to live with it. Peter has said that Sinead
>O'Connor is one of his favorite new artists, and has already sang a duet 
>with her on a previous Amnesty tour ("Don't Give Up", if memory serves).
>
>   I tend to agree with him. If you could get past the bald head and the 
>controversy and actually *listen*, you might change your mind.

I tend to agree.  I can't stand anything I know about her personally,
but both her albums are really good, and I think the two voices would
blend pretty well.  I'm not surprised PG likes her music.  I'm looking
forward to hearing it.

Dean Wagner
bx451@cleveland.freenet.edu
aa1309@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu
 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Subject: Re:  * Where's Vince now? *
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:55:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.094159.1@pomona.claremont.edu> greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.190418.3947@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR) writes:
>> 
>> Motley Crue : R.I.P.
>> 
>> This was once the best metal band on the planet.
>
>Really?  When was that?  I first saw them at the US Festival in '83
>just before _Shout at the Devil_ was released, they were pretty good,
>but nowhere near being the best.  And they really only went downhill
>from there.

I thought Dr. Feelgood was a great leap forward for the band.

>Of course all of this is just my opinion.  I'm well aware that a lot
>of people liked them, and that they sold a lot of records.  But even
>by that measure they weren't the best.  And while I hate the immature
>"that's not metal, that's poser crap!" stuff that fills groups like
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal, I think most people would agree that most of
>Crue's most popular material really wasn't metal.
>
>--
>| Greg Orman                          greg@pomona.claremont.edu  |
>|         "I used to love her, but I had to kill her..."         |
>|                                      -GnFR                     |

OK, they are NOT the best metal (or whatever) band on the planet.  
They are merely just my favorite metal (or whatever) band and I was
just mourning the death of them as a unit, that's all.  I shouldn't
have stated anything as a fact, maybe I should have specified that 
it was just my opinion ....  well whatever. 

No more flames please?

                                                - Don

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
From: mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sid)
Subject: Re: Gabriel
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:55:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.003447.9908@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>In article <ghogen.712064477@kreon> ghogen@kreon.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Guido Hogen) writes:
>>I've read that the first single from Gabriel's _US_ will be a 
>>ballad together with Sinead O'Connor.
>
>Good lord, please say it isn't so.. oh please.... why couldn't
>it have been ANYONE else? 

Umm sorry folks but hasn't this already been released?  Or atleast
didn't
Gabrial and Sinead record a Christmas song or something?  I seem to
remember see the CD single at Record conventions when i used to go
(last May)
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: anderson@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson peter john)
Subject: Scruffy the Cat
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:38:03 GMT

Does anybody know whatever happened to these guys?  They were a terrific
band from Boston MA which put out two LP's and two EP's on Relativity during
the mid 1980's.

The last I ever heard of them was when I saw them open for Tiny Lights (now
THERE'S an odd pairing) at Lounge Ax in Chicago in March 1990.  I talked to
their frontman, Charlie Chesterman, after the show and he told me that things
were up in the air, with Relativity having dropped them.  Since that time,
they seemed to have vanished off the face of the earth.

For the uninitiated, the band consisted of:

Charlie Chesterman     --vocals, guitar
Stephen Fredette       --lead guitar
MacPaul Stanfield      --bass
Burns Stanfield        --keyboards
Randall Lee Gibson     --drums

(Just in case anyone stumbles across one of these names in another band.)

Any help in tracking down Scruffy the Cat would be appreciated.


Pete Anderson (anderson@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)

"I'm the one behind that tree
 That shadow boy is only me."

	--Charlie Chesterman
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Marillion
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:43:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <galahad.711721860@camelot> galahad@camelot.bradley.edu (Douglas Ginter) writes:

[regarding _Season's End_]

>I wouldn't say miserable, just different...the new stuff can really
>start to grow on you if you give it a chance...plus seeing the band
>live, doesn't hurt either.

I gave _Season's End_ plenty of time.  All that ended up doing was causing me
to dislike the few songs I'd liked at first (such as "Easter" which is 
probably the least offensive on the album).

>Marillion picked up Hogarth, who is more mainstream...but has an excellent 
>voice.

I don't think there's anything particularly excellent about Hogarth's voice.
Actually, it's rather average.  Fish may not be a great singer, but his
voice is very distinctive and fits well with his style. 

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: RE: THE BEE GEES !!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: chris.mathis@madness.network23.com (Chris Mathis) 

-> >-> Oh please.  I hear many rock songs covered in the supermarket.
-> Big >-> deal. So they can write lyrics.  I think Prince writes decent
-> lyrics, >-> but I don't care for any of his stuff at all.

 Weather you like the lyrics or not, does not mean anything. It just
means that you do not care for his stuff. Still he is talented. As I
feel the Bee Gees are. It goes the same for me.

-> >To be able to *Read* the times around them, and then to wright music
-> >that sells and is popular, is also talent.
->
-> Heh.....this is total BS, quite frankly.  There are *tons* of
-> artists/groups on the pop market today that can write music that they
-> know will sell.  This does *NOT* require talent.  This is called a
-> sell-out.  If you want to see

 I do not feel it is BS. The Band has to make money to keep producing
records. It is not just music, it is a business as well. Yes the love of
music and the fame, the glory and woman are all part of it as well, but
so is the cash. If I were in a band and the music scene changed, I would
have to change with it, *To a point*. I would *Still* wright the music I
wanted to write, but it would have to fit into a different scene. Other
wise it is very possible my carreer would be short. *BUT* there are
bands also out there that have been very successful over the years by
doing the same thing. So it's not etched in stone... But it is a
business as well, big business. Which is why you see Actors, singers,
public figures endorseing products on the market.

-> talent, then check out some bands that haven't made the "pop" charts.
-> This IMHO is the main problem with today's typical music listener.
-> Listening to their favorite top 40 station and assuming the music
-> industry is limited to what they hear on said station.  There is more
-> raw talent in most non-top 40 groups than in 10 top 40 groups
-> combined.

 I agree with you here. Totally...

-> You're not getting my point.  I made the point that yes, the Bee
-> Gee's can *write* songs.  Other artists can cover them.  That doesn't
-> mean squat.

 To be able to write a song, and it go number one, is a big deal. It
does mean squat. If it did not, every one in music would not be striving
for it. Or LOVE to have one..

-> Well, I haven't heard an Ozzy remake of the Bee Gee's either....can
-> anyone else substantiate this?

 It is true... Anyone??? anyone???  Buler??? Buler???

-> A number one top 40 single != talent.  It means you know what types
-> of songs sell.  If you're into soley making money then this is the
-> way to go.  If you're into music, this is a disgrace.

 It is not that cut and dry. I would LOVE to make big bucks for what I
love to do! There is NOTHING rong at all if I could have both...

           chris.mathis@madness.network23.com
From: slayer@gl.pitt.edu (Deborah)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: the worst genesis song
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:33:27 GMT

There seem to be quite a few people who dislike "Who Dunnit?" but I rather
like it. I'll have to vote for "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" from Invisible
Touch. I found it quite cheesy.

I personally think that *Illegal Alien* and *Easy Lover* are the worst ones


-- 
You'll never find gold on a sandy beach
You'll never drill for oil on a city street.
You know you're looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks
But there ain't no coupe deville lying at the bottom of a crackerjack box
From: Wedge@cup.portal.com (Craig Teruo Matsumoto)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: BOC lyrics
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 23:06:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

kinnes@unvax.union.edu (Steven W. Kinne) writes:

>............... can anyone direct me to an alternate method for getting the
>complete set of BOC lyrics? Thanks!


The Blue Oyster Cult fan club is publishing a lyrics book to members
later this year.  You can contact them at:

                        B.O.C. Fan Club
                        P.O Box 931324
                        Los Angeles, CA  90093

Membership is $15/year.  I doubt that the old lyrics offer on their
album covers is still good, so this is the only way you'll be able to
get lyrics to some of their songs.

                                      -- Craig Matsumoto
From: fsmcs1@acad3.alaska.edu (Milo Wilbury)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Pearl Jam - Jeremyspawn mail
Date: 25 Jul 92 08:06:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <BrxBow.2xp@ais.org>, tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
> 
> Kinda amusing though, MTV has their own lyrics for the song:
> 
> Clearly I remember
> Picking on the boy
> Seemed a harmless little 
> [etc]
> 
> Now, what exactly is a little, much less a harmless one?
> 
-- 

   I'm not sure, but that was exactly how Eddie sang it on MTV's Unplugged
show.  MTV is fairly strict about language...  if they play it at all, it's
gotta be pretty distorted and mumbled.  Just fill in the blank...

---
Milo Wilbury	       	   	   "Seems you can't say to me now, how the dogs
fsmcs1@acad3.alaska.edu             broke your bone, there's just one thing   
 -or- @acad2.alaska.edu           left to be said...  Say Hello to Heaven..."
 -or- sharp@acad5.alaska.edu            - Say Hello 2 Heaven, TotD
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: wlbaker@eos.ncsu.edu (WELDON LEE BAKER)
Subject: Dokken/LynchMob
Originator: wlbaker@c00105-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: videos
Reply-To: wlbaker@eos.ncsu.edu (WELDON LEE BAKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:38:57 GMT


I would love to get copies of dokken videos from "back for the attack" as well
as any lynch mob stuff. if anyone has copies and would make a tape for me, 
please let me know and i'll send you a blank tape.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran)
Subject: Pearl Jam HIDDEN TRACK
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:45:22 GMT

If you have the Pearl Jam album _Ten_, you know that there's a "hidden track"
at the end of the disc, after "Release".  When PJ was on Rockline a few months
ago, Eddie mentioned that the track had a name.  Does anybody remember it?
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: Favorite Genesis Songs (Was Re: the worst genesis song)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:17:33 GMT

In article <-t81Hy$xs8@atlantis.psu.edu> bufalini@beyond.gis.psu.edu (Bruce A Bufalini) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.213337.14754@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>Hey, HEY!  Enough of this "worst" stuff!  How about your favorite Genesis
>>songs?  Mine are:
>>
>>	-- Got a Job To Do
>>	-- Home By The Sea
>>	-- All of the first side of Abacab (esp. Me And Sarah Jane)

Script For A Jester's Tear
Incommunicado
Garden Party

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: 9018767a@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Bands with album names which mention another band's song
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:56:06 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Sorry, I'm bored.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
Subject: Re: Songs that mention other groups (was: Bands with self-titled songs)
Reply-To: tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.173127.17561@bradley.bradley.edu>, gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry) writes:
>don't know if anyone has mentioned this one:
>
>"you'll dance to anything" by the dead milkmen
>
>"you'll dance to anything by book of love
> """""""""		 by the smiths
>                         by depeche mode
>	                 by public image limited"
 
  You forgot -------->   by Siouxsie Sioux

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?      Daniel I. Matt       |    Now I lay me down to sleep,                  ?
?   Iowa State University   |    I pray the funk will make me freak,          ?
?                           |    If I should die before I waked,              ?
?    INTERNET ADDRESSES:    |    Allow me Lord to rock out naked!             ?
?     dmatt@iastate.edu     |                                                 ?
?  tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu |    "Sir Psycho Sexy" -- Red Hot Chili Peppers   ? 
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
From: harden@acsu.buffalo.edu (Alex Harden)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: nirvana lyrics [from lithium cd single]
Summary: gimme em!
Keywords: need em!
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:33:27 GMT
Organization: UB

i noticed that the cd single for "lithium" has arrived in several
major record stores, and as rumored, has the lyrics for all the 
tracks on _nevermind_.  could someone who bought it please transcribe
the lyrics and post them?  i'm sure some of us here would like to see
what the REAL words are.  8)

thanks.
-- 
alex harden-------------- "I thought I was to be treated like a Lord, addressed
harden@acsu.buffalo.edu--  as your Dordiness.  They don't even do that."
v409epk3@ubvms.bitnet----             -"Lordy Dordy" aka BR629360@LIUVAX.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc,nj.general
From: yaboss@athens.uucp (22450s-liebowitz)
Subject: Springsteen
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:05:12 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Aug. 10

Does anyone have an extra ticket they'd like to sell for Aug. 10?
Thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.progressive,alt.music.rush
From: steveha@microsoft.com (Steve Hastings)
Subject: Re: the worst genesis song
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:52:06 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Applications Division

I vote for "Whodunnit" off Abacab.  Even worse live.
-- 
Steve "I don't speak for Microsoft" Hastings    ===^=== :::::
uunet!microsoft!steveha  steveha@microsoft.uucp    ` \\==|
From: trca7149@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Tickets for Sale
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:16:46 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

For sale:

2 tickets to Lolla in Chicago Aug 2.  Best Offer

B.R.T.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.rush,alt.music.progressive,alt.config
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.music.queensryche
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 22:03:49 GMT

In article <goo.711412176@odin> goo@odin.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:
>>>Is there anyone out there who would like to see a new group for
>>>Queensryche fans.
>
>>yes, this would be a good thing. someone newgroup it, please.
>
>Queensryche isn't good enough to warrant their own newsgroup.  They are quite
>lame, not very original, and they suck in concert.
>
>goo
>

I'm getting sick of reading about Queenysucky on this news group!!!!
couldn't you guys pick some other group to torture with your non-
sense!!!!!! This group is for Rush!!! Maybe you guys didn't read
the group right and you thought it was for that sorry excuse for a
band you call Queenysucky or what ever their name is!
[insert finger into mouth] and I fully agree with "goo" they suk!!!!

Apache




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