From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Roving correspondent Carl Horn writes:....
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:46:37 GMT
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

In article <1992Dec15.092014.25548@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:

>Here is a message the Carl Horn wants me to post for him, now that he 
>is (at least temporarily) netless.

>Disclaimer:	Carl Horn's views on this subject are not necessarily those
>of Gaver-sensei, in fact, I disagree on most of his counts and think the
>rest are unreasonable, but here goes.

>Roving correspondant Carl Horn writes:

>	As many of you on the net are doubtless aware, there is a growing movment to unite the 1993 A.America convention with AX '93.

While I support this idea, we all know that one of the reasons that
the AA people claim for the split was because Mike Tatsugawa got a bad
deal on the ParcOakland/Conv Center.  Thus, Expo can't (and shouldn't)
move south.

The question posed:  If unification occurs can AA get out of its
commitments at the Westin?

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>	The problem arises in the decision to make Anime America a competing
>convention to AnimExpo, holding it on a different date at a different
>location.  Uniting Anime America with AnimExpo would be logical for a 
>number of reasons.  One: Oakland is the geographical center of the Bay
>Area, and accordingly, the hub of our mass-transit train system BART.  For Bay
>Area fans, who can be expected to make up a majority of the attendees, there
>are obvious advantages to the Oakland site.  Two: a large part of what made the
>last two Bay Area anime conventions what they were was the presence of many
>out-of-state and international fans.  Oakland has more flight connections
>than San Jose, but more importantly, AnimExpo has a record.  It is what 
>people remember, and hopefully, what they will come back for.  Asking them 
>to stretch their budgets to cover a two-week stay and attend *both*
>conventions is most unkind.  Three: combining the two would make for a mega-
>convention, bringing the talents of both staffs together, making it the most
>exciting anime convention yet.  The Oakland site can easily accomodate both.

>	However, the Anime America staff has as yet refused to examine the
>site of AnimExpo '93, a minimum requirement to get the log rolling.  I urge all anime fans reading this to support the unification movement.  Having East and
>West Coast anime conventions in understandable.  Having two within 40 miles of
>each other is just plain silly.

>	-Carl Horn

Hear, hear!  What he said.

And it doesn't help when some AA people are starting to demonstrate
latent arrogrance (whether intentional or not).  Witness David
Medinnus' recent comment on AX's lack of GOH announcements.

>Two:  Why would AA have less experience, most of their staff worked on the 
>two previoius cons.  Also, what about AnimeExpo when everybody was "expecting"
>AnimeCon in 92.  Baseless argument.

Agreed about the part of experience.  However, your argument doesn't
hold in regards to Con '92.  Remember, Expo '92 stepped in only after
Con faltered.

>Third:  Locale.  I personally just loved the SJ area and definitely would want
>to keep it there, no matter what the Parc Oakland may have to offer.  Granted
>Gaver-sensei is probably the least experienced to talk about California 
>geography, but I thought it was just fine where it was.

Read Carl's arguments for Oakland again.  I haven't been to the Westin
but I have been to the Oakland Conv. Center.  I do know that the
facilities are superior to the Red Lion.

More importantly, Oakland has BART access and San Jose does not.  The
ParcOakland has a BART station just outside.  Convenience is a big
plus.  And for someone like yourself, air fares will probably be
cheaper into Oakland than San Jose if only because more carriers fly
into Oakland.

True, Nikaku will be further away, but that's a minor tradeoff.

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