From: lbarrass@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: LDS are not EV Christians
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:28:01 GMT
 <1992Oct6.161635.14116@infonode.ingr.com> <1992Oct9.075445.13122@phillip.edu.au> <1992Oct9.135130.7571@infonode.ingr.com>
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Whew!!! I nearly missed this one (it was under another title to my original
post!!)



In article <1992Oct9.135130.7571@infonode.ingr.com>, tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer) writes:
> 
>     This is getting longish so I'll delete stuff not relevent to my
>     Responses OK?
    
   Me too 

         
>> 
>>  It is only a falicy if you are a non-Christian. Of course, the Catholic idea
>>of immaculate conception is un-Biblical 
>>and not really relevant to the virgin birth of Christ. Any
>>orthodox Christian teaching says that Jesus needed to be born of a virgin to
>>remain sinless (i.e. free from original sin). You may argue all you like about
>>the validity of this, but the whole point of this (original) post is to show
>>that Mormons are not Christian and do not follow the basic tenets of
>>Christianity. This is just another example 
>>
> 
>   Original Sin is a Post Biblical and Post Apostolic Heresy. LDS do not belive
>   in Original Sin. They and others belive that Christ and all others born are
>   free from Original Sin. The results of Adam's being Cast Out is that we
>   die.  Christ provides the way that we can live again through the resurection.
> 
     For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one 
   man's obedience many will be made righteous  -- Rom 5:19


>   Do you as an Evangelical "Christian" believe in the Orthodox Christian
>   doctrine of the Resurrection? Do you belive that Christ died so that all
>   can and will be resurrected?  

  Yes, I believe in the orthodox Christian doctrine of the resurrection, which
I don't believe says that Christ died so that all could be resurrected, rather
that he died so that all who accept, may have their sins forgiven. 
                                                           
  All will be resurrected for the final judgement, regardless of whether they
are a Christian or not. See Rev 20 etc


> 
>   If you do not believe in the basic tenents of Christianity, perhaps
>   we should be discussing why EV's have abandanded Christianity for
>   another God.
> 
  That the same "All other churches are apostate" line that LDS and the like
have said right from the beginning. I do believe in the basic tenets of
Christianity .. but not those of the Mormon "christianity".




>>
>>> 
>>> Mormons have a simpler solution to the overall problem: Children are
>>> born without sin. Children who die with out baptism before they are
>>> accountable are believe to return to the presence of God.
>>> 
>> 
>>  Christians too, believe that children are not accountable until "a certain
>>age" - whatever that may be, we don't however, say they are born sinless! And
>>we don't believe that you need baptism to be saved as it is just as much a
>>"work" as any other act. Baptism is of course very important and every believer
>>should be baptised.
> 
> 	You don't belive that baptism is a requirment. why is this?
> 

   Baptism is a command and I believe all Christians AS BELIEVERS should be
baptised. I don't believe in Baptismal regeneration i.e. salvation through
baptism. The Bible clearly shows that salvation is a personal response to God
and that it is by Grace through Faith (not by works). Baptism is a symbol (an
antitype as seen in 1 Peter). All the verses refering to Baptism as saving a
person are usually quoted out of context and are used as the basis of a works
based doctrine. The Boston Church of Christ (and affiliates) also teach this,
as well as the R.C. (and some protestant) churches. If we are saved by grace,
then how possibly can a work of baptism save us?? We are saved by the answer of
a good concience towards God (can't remember the verse but if you know the
Bible you will recognise it!). Baptism is the external symbol of our faith, not
the culmination or initiation of it.

>          Kermit Tensmeyer                         | Intergraph Corporation
> Life is sometimes a bowl of Cherries; Watch out for the pits;
>    klt@kt8127.b23a.ingr.com                       | 



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