From: root@Turing.ORG (sinister)
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full Force
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:44:59 GMT

In article <21922@galaxy.ucr.edu> starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (aaron greenwood) writes:
>In article <2316@unet.UUCP> linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill) writes:
>>
>Consider the quote from Jacsun Shah, a reporter from the Houston Chronicle
>one more time.
>
>>->   "Yes, I am a man hater, yes, I am a feminist. and why not?
>>->    Women are dying . They die every day, at the hands of men.
>>->    Men ... beat them, rape them, dismember them. Hell yes, I
>>->    hate men ... To all of you women out there, I say _hate_.
>>->    You have every right to ... I knew the kindest thing I could
>>->    do for the women of this world is to hate men with full force."
>
>The words that come to mind are terrorist and fanatic.  I think they fit
>Ms. Shah's character very well indeed. And like a terroist she would like
>to vilify, fragment, and distroy for no reason but an unhealthy emotion.

The control, and channeling of 'negative' emotions is healthy. The denial
of same can be life threatening.

>Her statements are the product of a sever personallity disorder.  They
>are without merit.

They have extreme merit, they reflect the thoughts of many and are due
your respectful consideration, if you are concerned with humanity...

>Her remarks are typical of hate groups.  If hate speech were an sport
>Ms. Shah would get the gold.  

This is no game of sport...

>To take a piece of garbage ( the person as well as her remarks ) and lionize
>her is to belittle both women and men. 

Offensive concept, that a person is a 'piece of garbage' because their anger
threatens you so much...

>We should save our praise for women of character, women who have made
>something of themselves and women who are positive examples of fully
>developed human beings.  

'We' should praise that which is praiseworthy, and note that which is
noteworthy, note Mr. Shah's words well... Consider the conditions that
cause another human to feel this way, to be so tormented.

>Life is much deeper than feminist thought.

Pithy is the least definition I could come up with for this line..



When I read the quote from Ms. Shah, I felt I certainly understood what she was
writing, and could emphaticaly relate to her feelings. It's the Queer issue as
well, and there is much rage and terror in being so opressed, for so long by
certain sources. When we are able to put the finger on our opressors, the effect
is so cathartic it may even make us "terrorist and fanatic"

Let me share with you a technique that works well for me whenever I am able
to use it...

Listen to the other person. Consider that you already have the benefit of your
opinion, and that you will still have it after you are done listening. Imagine 
why this other person is feeling the way they are. Their perspective is some-
what unique, and trying to understand theirs will help you understand (and
develop) yours, no matter how diferent they may be.

There is a reason that many people, groups of people (women, Queers, etc..)
are angry, and they are learing to heal. Healing has many stages, and for
many of us, denial is right out, and we're into the rage portion. I suppose
we'll be done with rage about when 'they' (and I suggest now that you merely
by being male are among 'them' in terms of feminist rage) are ready to start
dealing with their denial. (I'm also a male, but I'd have to be a 'us' in this
case, and not a 'them')

Oh well, just my Nickel's Worth..