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From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick  
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:45:18 GMT

This is not a flame.

Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick cloak their earlier misuse/abuse of
Usenet/users in `right to speech,' arguments and attack me
personally -- note that now they do not use 4 letter expletives any
more now [they have taken heed of some public fora norms] and
continue to post [which is fine].  And I commend these two on their
literary acheivements, and in some instances this is quite
amusing.  They exercise their right to speech within the norms that
that are expected from using public forums such as this.   As far as
legalities are concerned, having thrown the first stone their views
on xenophobic control and net-repression simply do not make any
sense.  In any case, they have improved, from their last foray and
as such appear to be well on their way to behaving like
ettiquette-aware adults.  Enough said.  

No flames, please. 

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Aayush Asthana| Technology    :    /___   ___//___    ___//___    ___/
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ns@cbnews.cb.att.com (naresh.shah)
Subject: Re: This is: HOW TO GET THE BEST phone deal to India
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:09:05 GMT

In article <168C7AECF.C1935@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> C1935@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (KAILASH JOSHI) writes:

>I urge all netters to switch to mci.This will force ATT to reduce their rates.
>Rates to India are very high in relation to celone, pakistan, bangla etc.
>ATT is responsible for this.

AT&T has recently started a plan called Special Country plan. If you make
a lot of international calls to one country, this plan is good. There is
no monthly fee and the rates are 15% cheaper than the normal cheapest rates. 

I do work for AT&T. I am not familiar with MCI/Sprint's plans. Make your 
own decision. 

-naresh shah		ns@cbnews.att.com
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad Demands Lifting of Bans
Date: 24 Dec 1992 17:16:26 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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In article <anand.725134218@cds705>, anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:
|> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >It was bad enough that Niranjan Dev Theerth (the SA of Puri) got himself 
|> >into hot water with his support for sati; 
|> 
|> Can anybody else confirm the veracity of this allegation?

I am not "anybody else", but...

This is fairly common knowledge to those who were in India about the
time that the Roop Kunwar sati took place. The SA of Puri is known for
his er... outspoken-ness on things he considers inportant to the protection
of Vaidik Dharma. He was arrested more than once for taking part in protests
against cow-slaughter. 

He, and some politicians all believed (or so they said in public) that when
performed voluntarily, the Govt. should not interfere with a woman who wants
to commit sati. The politicians who come to mind are ex-Rajmata Vijayraje
Scindia (MP, mother of MadhavRao Scindia and VP of BJP) and Bhairon Singh Shekhawat,
until recently the CM of Rajasthan.

You should try the Illustrated Weekly of India & India Today editions from about
1986-1988 to read exactly what they said (I can't recall the exact edition).


|> anand


-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Subject: WANTED: E-MAIL ADDRESSES IN CALCUTTA, BOMBAY 
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:38:37 GMT

Hello Netters,

		If someone could e-mail me some e-mail addresses in calcutta
		and or bombay, it would be appreciated...I am trying to 
		correspond with people in India who has an access on internet.
		
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: KNOCK! KNOCK! P-Js
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:14:38 GMT


	Knaak - Knaak !!

	Hi AJEET ! Please come in .




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: murgesh@entropy.esd.sgi.com (Murgesh Navar)
Subject: Rig Veda and the Beginning of Time
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:27:35 GMT

Rig veda :( ~ 1500 BC)

        Then there was neither being nor non-being:
        There was no air, nor firmament beyond it.
        Was there a stirring ? Where ? Beneath what cover ?
        Was there a great abyss of unplumbed water ?

        There was no death nor anything immortal;
        Nor any sign dividing day from night.
        That One thing, in the stillness, breathed quiescent;
        No second thing existed whatsoever.

        Darkness was hidden in a deeper darkness;
        This All was as a sea without dimensions;
        The void still held unformed what was potential,
        Until the power of Warmth produced the sole One...

        Who truly knows, and who can here declare it ?
        Whence it was born, and how this world was fashioned ?
        The gods came later than the earths creation:
        Who knows then out of what the world has issued ?

        Whatever he made the world or did not make it,
        He knows whence this creation came, he only
        Who in the highest heavens guards and watches;
        He knows indeed, but then, perhaps, he knows not!


					-murgesh
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (R. Thiyagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Good News for India
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:30:26 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1ha8ooINNmkv@aludra.usc.edu>, chviswan@aludra.usc.edu (Chandrasekar Viswanathan) writes...
> 
>Hi,
>  There is an excellent News for India.The Olympic committee has decided to
>reserve 70% of the gold medals for SC/ST.So India can finally win 70% of the
>gold medals.This will help boosting our depleting gold reserves and also help 
>us top the medals tally in olympics.
> 

What about BCs?

RT
From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan (The Origin) - Division of Sub-Continent
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:47:25 AET
Distribution: world
Organization: UCQ

In article <1992Dec28.172529.24779@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
> I my opinion and that of our people (in Haryana) partition was a 
> cruel "joke" perpetrated by departing British who were arrogant
> enough to think they new what was "best" for India. There are
> Jats who are Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs...quite happy to share the
> land and its fruits, yet follow different traditions. Uniformity
> does NOT lead to unity . You will not find a country more uniform
> than Solamia (98% Sunni, 99% Somalis) yet worst country on the
> earth, if not the worst.
> 
> Toelrance for others views, faiths, tradition make the civilization.
> Acid test being how the minority rights are respected...nuff said.

     YES, ENOUGH SAID. NO MORE GARBAGE!
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Quran and Science
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:07:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Posting for FFT:

In article <1992Dec30.135936.13156@topaz.ucq.edu.au> salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>BTW, aren't you claiming to know the secret of life? If you don't know the
>secret of life, then are you making any effort to find that out? 
> Dr. B did. :-|)

	No SIR, I make no such claim. Secret of life? Existentialism :)

>
>    God is the source of all knowledge and science is knowledge, why can't
>the gel?

	No, God is not a source of anything. Science entertains no divine
	entities.


>he describes in his books because that is what had convinced him. You may
>not find it convincing becuase you have different experience and so is
>every one for that matter. I know a Canadian mathematician through his
>christian experience and that is how he puts his case.

	Does this Canadian mathematician say, "Let God prove Fermat's 
	last theorem"??

>   so we are talking about Dr. B's personal conviction which we can't 
>dispute. :-|)

	In that case, his "personal conviction" cannot be used to raise
	Quran above Bible i.t.o. scientific acceptability and this was what
	you were trying to do thru Mustafa.

	FFT




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prastogi@netcom.com (Sentient)
Subject: **CALL FOR VOTES FOR ALT.CULTURE.AMITABH***
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:09:07 GMT

Yo Amitabh fans,               


There had been lot of discussions on the dialogs of
Amitabh Bachhan in his different movies on S.C.I .
I would propose to form another group, which will
discuss the dialogs, latest indian movies (not necessarily
of Amitabh), etc.         


So ready, steady, go  .....


Hain to Mukhtiyar singh ab s.c.i mein aane laga hain.
Lakin kaaliya ke haath bahut lambe hain ..... 


All votes for 'Yes' should be directed to:


prastogi@netcom.com               



There should be no 'NO' varna ***la kaat ke phenk denga :)


Dhanyavaad,


Anurag          






-- 
God isn't dead, he just couldn't find a parking place.
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From: shivanan@bode.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:40:19 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bode.usc.edu

In article <dbose.725071632@sirocco.aem.umn.edu> dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:


	stuff deleted [....]

	Cool it man. I know the winter recess is here. HAsn't the cold got
	you yet?

	Shivanand Bhajekar
From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Alt.culture.bengal
Date: 24 Dec 1992 12:07:43 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

Harsh Varma varma@paul.rutgers.edu writes with strong paranoid emotions:

>> when do we have our own alt.culture.bangla newsgroup? I think
>> it is overdue.  While many of these newsgroups such as a.c.tamil
>> are used for people-bashing, we could use a.c.b to talk about
>> the poetry and culture of Bengali society, especially of the
>> last century. Any takers?

>Bangla is the national language of Bangladesh.
>Therefore if you wish to discuss 'poetry and culture of Bengali
>society' then soc.culture.bangladesh is an appropriate newsgroup. 

Bengali is spoken by a substantial percentage of the population in 
at least three Indian states...Assam and Tripura in addition
to West Bengal. Now wether that justifies a seperate newsgroup is another
matter altogether. But dont try to give the impression that Bengali is
a foreign language. 


>creation of a newsgroup for your state probably is a ego issue. After
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>And then the Bengali's are of course superior: they will use their
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^				

Such brazen, off-the-cuff ethnic stereotyping is despicable and disgusting.
Only on the subcontinental newsgroups is it possible for a perfectly polite 
and genuine enquiry to be subjected to such ad hominem attacks.


>Tell you what, you and the other 'takers' create a country for
>yourselves. Then the demand will look legitimate. 

Why dont you and people of your jingoistic ilk get off this newsgroup and
allow others with a semblance of decency to discuss this issue without
displaying alternating emotions of paranoia and schizophrenia?  


>you that you will have ample support because there will be many like
>me who would prefer not to share a newsgroup with myopic creatures

Consider the feeling mutual, Mr.Verma. 


>Disclaimer: None. Please, everyone adopt my opinion, I am right!

Pah!! I wouldn't even raise a finger to listen to your ideas, let alone treat
them as my own.

Samit
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:08:06 CST

> This is just a test! 
> ...Suresh Doki..

   ...testing Doki's patience, heh?!
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 The worst mistake would be claim that one doesn't make mistakes..
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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Sati and Gita (Re:Sati system because of Islam (Gita's Teachings)).
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:03:24 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <Bzy4ny.73J@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca 
>(C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>...... (deleted)..............
>        In Tamil Nadu, there were many communities where widow re-marriage
>        or even divorce are not prohibited. Therefore Iswar Chandra
>        Vidyasagar can not be said to have 'instituted' widow remarriage.
> 
>        In Salem District in Tamil Nadu certain communities allow
>        'thumu aruppu' ( = breaking the bond) which lets a woman to
>        divorce a present husband and remarry another and this is done
>        in a Ur ManRam ( Panjayat) where the two parties present their cases
>        and some period of separation is allowed before finally deciding
>         on the divorce. In ThirunelvEli District in Tamil Nadu, there
>        are some communities which practice 'aruththu kattu' ( break
>        the bond and form a new bond). These are used for divorce and
>        for widow remarriages although infrequently resorted to. 
>        


    I am *not* denying with what you said. The history books, that have 
    been fortunately preserved and have been judged by most to be unbiased,
    record that it *was* Vidyasagar who instituted the Hindu Widow Marriage
    Act in 1860's formed a movement in Bengal on this issue. However, one
    must accept that Vidyasagar *did* draw examples from other Hindu societies
    contemporary/ ancient. In fact, Vidyasagar did know that in Southern
    India, in certain societies, *not all*, this form of divorce and marriage
    was prevalent. (But I do not recall whether it was specifically *widow
    marriage* that he referred to. Though, I will give benefit of doubt to
    your chauvinism.) The main credit of Viduasagar, and, although you maybe
    hell-bent to rob him of this credit, is to cite all the examples, form an
    organization and make it into a law that finally has been
    constitutionalized. (All this efforts he *did alone* unlike our charming
    religious gurus, commies etc.)

    Furthermore, people like yourself should read more before trying to
    denigrate others. In fact, quoting examples from South Indian societies
    is *not* necessary. In West Bengal, in the Chotanagpur district, the
    tribals had this custom. The point that Vidyasagar raised was that: are
    these tribals not Hindus, etc. and etc. - making it conspicuous that there
    should be an uniform law for women from *all* strata of the society. FYI,
    Vidyasagar was not a politician - who cared only for his own vested
    interests. Thus, if you carefully read all his correspondences with the
    British Raj, you will see that he refers to the other Hindu societies 
    elsewhere outside Bengal - who *did have* this practice.
 

>        -Selva

          - deb chatterjee
         (a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Hindu Marriage Rituals
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:15:01 GMT

In article <1hviodINNsdb@talitha.usc.edu> sramacha@talitha.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.131438.16359@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.210502.1701@oracorp.com> narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) writes:
>>>To Continue this thread on Vedic marriage rituals further:
>>>
>>>of the marriage ceremony. Ofcourse as you expect, they were
>>>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^66   
>>Tamils and apparently, the Tamil marriage ritual regards
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Now, did they walk out after the wedding lunch, or before ???
>
>  Flames welcome!

This happened a very long ago!c My sister is a grand mother now!
As I remember they went immediately. My brother-in-law bought
tickets for them to go to Kanjeevaram. They come from there!
Ofcourse all the other assembled people said good riddance!
Satisfied! My illustration was to show how seriously people 
hold tradition and custom.
...kt
From: rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Genesis-II [Let's change SCI] -- Icarus.
Date: 3 Jan 1993 01:51:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu
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Atharvan (paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: In article <1i2mlaINNjja@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman) writes:
: 
: >If you don't like what is happening make it better. If you think you
: >can't then quit reading SCI. Moderators just stifle freedom of
: >expression.

  I'm really sorry about the SCI thing. I am sorry.

: 1] Learn to take dissent well.
:    And read articles *very* carefully.
:    What I had written about was the formation of a new group,
:    * not * about moderating sci.
:    Those who subscribe to the moderated group would know what they
:    are doing.
:    If moderated newsgroups stifle expression, in your own words:
:    "quit reading them".

  I seem to have hurt you. I'm sorry. I honestly did not mean any
  offence. 

: 2] My reading or not reading sci is none of your business.
:    Neither is my reaction to the mess on sci, any of your business.

  But anything you write in SCI is everybody's business. 

: 3] If you have any arguments against the formation of 
:    alt.culture.indian.moderated state then instead of giving gratutious 
:    advice.

  I don't think you should just go about forming new newsgroups just
  because you don't like what's going on in a newsgroup for sometime.
  You could stop reading articles from some authors or some topics.
  Gratuitous! How do I come to know when my "advice" is gratuitous and 
  when it is not ?

: 4] Furthermore, that "moderated groups only stifle freedom of expression"
:    is not a given.

  I thought it was. If you were a moderator you wouldn't think so. But
  if you weren't and the moderator shoots down some article which in your
  eyes is perfectly legit, you get worked up like you do even now.
  That's why I don't think it serves any purpose. 

:    The moderation proposed in alt.culture.indian.moderated is meant
:   to disallow articles that in the judgement of the moderators is unsuitable.
:   Does this seem to be incredible to you ? 
:   Just remind yourself that even the freest of newspapers does not print
:   anything it recieves, it is under the implicit censorship of the editor.

  That's a tricky one. I have no answer to that one. I don't know where
  to draw the line.

: 
: >No offence meant. 
: 
: 5] Unfortunately your disclaimer does not match your article content.

  I meant no offence. Honest. Again, I'm sorry I offended you. 

--

Rajesh Raman

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From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: AIDS drug by indian firm
Date: 2 Jan 1993 14:23:52 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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In article <1i509oINNslo@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:

>Actually, most patent laws are designed to expire in about 5-10 years. 

The US patent law allows a company 17 years from the time it files the 
IND (Investigational New Drug) Application with the FDA until the patent 
expires and generic companies are free to sell the same drug.

>you can use a more efficient process (so long as you have either
>invented the process or have bought rights to it) to manufacture something
>only if the original product-patent has been bought or has expired. In 
>India, there is apparently only a patent on the process, but not one on
>the product itself. So, they think that they are eligible to use the

The difference between the US patent law and it's Indian counterpart is
that the American patent is for usage of the drug, no matter how it may be
manufactured. The Indian law only protects the manufacturing process and
not consumption. That is where the bone of contention lies since any
company using a seconadary process can maufacture the drug and bring it 
to the market in India.

In terms of protecting intellectual property, the US law makes more sense.

-- 
Samit Banerjee,			    |  
University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil