HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Noteworthy Phone #
Reply-To: brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:22:59 GMT

  Here is the order number for Noteworthy:
 
    1-800-648-7972
 
For those of you who aren't familiar with Noteworthy, it
is a Compact Disc mail order catalog that usually has
great deals and their selection is huge! If you're a new
customer, tell them when you call, and they will give you
a customer number for future orders, and once you order something
from them, you should begin recieving their catalog. There is
a shipping charge for all discs, so it is wise to get a group
of people together to minimize the cost per disc. The price
for Rift is $12.05(plus the shipping charge, which varies
depending on how many discs you order).
 
                     -Brian
 
brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
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From: Dan Shoop <shoop@horton.farsef.com>
Subject: dbx (oh no, here we go...)
Reply-To: shoop@horton.farsef.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:29:44 GMT


A previous, detailed description of dbx's companding (compression-expansion)
system was more or less acurate. 

dbx is actually a company (like Dolby Labs) and the actual thing we're talking
about here is their "Type II Noise Reduction System". dbx makes a variety of
equalization, companding and noise reduction products.

dbx NR is *not* dead. It is quite alive. You can buy it today. But, it is
expensive. The technology is more costly than Dolby products and it really
doesn't fit well into a chip. I have an external unit that measures an inch
thick in my rack, though it is an audiophile product. 

In a recent side by side comparison between a dbx encoded tape and the orginal
DAT of a SDB Dead show (10-27-91) I couldn't tell the difference. (And my
system isn't some low-end audiophile thing either.) 

dbx NR tapes can be sent to others that can decode them, but the units can be
more sensitive to sutble differneces between the decks. This generally leads
to a thing in companding called "breathing" where the expanders don't match
100% and you end up with what sounds like someone exhaling.

dbx *is* the best noise reduction system in current use today for analog
recording. It offers approx. 85dBs of dynamics (signal to noise ratio). A 
simple test you can do (try this at home) is to take a *blank* tape and play
it on your system. What we're going to do is listen to the hiss inherint on 
the tape. Crank the volume all the way up on your system, and leave Dolby NR
off. Listen to the hiss. This is what NR tries to eliminate. Next, turn on
Dolby B and notice the decrease in noise as Dolby effectively equalizes the
noise out by turning down the hign end. Next turn Dolby C on. The hiss will
reduce even more. If you turn on dbx, you notice *no noise* what-so-ever.

dbx also restores lost impact to the recordings as well.

Enuff said. Use it if you got it. If you have the opportunity to get it, do
so. Many portable units, such as the Marantz equavalents to Sony D5's have
dbx as an option.

-dhan


FARSEF | The                                  Dan Shoop
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       | Expeditionary                        ATTnet:          201.612.0895
       | Force                                PagerNet: 800.225.0256 #92664
                                              Snail:   127 E Prospect 07463

                Give your child mental blocks for Christmas.
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From: face@world.std.com (Scott Shurr)
Subject: Portland net gathering?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:49:08 GMT

I asked my Portland friend Zippy for some advise on a possible
net gathering before the Portland show.  He suggested one of two
places on Congress St. near the venue:

Pizza Villa - This place is seperated into a drinking and non-drinking
section so anybody can order Pizza, and those who want to drink can.

Sportsman's Grill - A bar with a wide variety of good, cheap food.

Are any net people going to this show?  I haven't made it to any
net gathings yet, but it would be nice to meet some more of you,
especially the other home-brewers out there.
--Scott face@world.std.com

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From: Jeff Maggard 22-Jan-1993 1146 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Foam
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:40:26 GMT


Foam is about sex, or more specifically: the events leading up to and
including ejaculation.

- jeff
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From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Lift-ops, Telluride, and Phish
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:15:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.145847.25990@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> press@v1.wustl.edu writes:
>
>Chair lift people are known as "Lift-ops"

Wasn't that one of the signs on NYE? :@)

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
       (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
**********************************************************************
*"Swim with the cactus and      *"I can't believe I'm a junior and a *
* Float with the stone.         * film major, when all I really      *
* I try to convey what          * wanted in this life was to marry a *
* She's trying to condone."     * lobsterman and cook fish."         *
* -Phish                        * -a letter from Christie Searing    *
**********************************************************************
From: derry@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Paul Reed S.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Fee on Lawn Boy???
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:42:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Sorry if this is already in the FAQ's (I didn't see it,
but it sounds like a question many people would ask).

Newly introduced to Phish, I have rather recently gotten
Lawn Boy and Picture of Nectar.  However, a friend of mine
claims that his version on Lawn Boy is different to mine.
Most significantly is the addition of "Fee" on his (great
song by the way), but he also told me that the singing is
different on his (i.e. the vocals on "Lawn Boy" are higher
I believe).  Can someone help me out here? Is the version of
Fee on my friend's tape the same as on Junta?

Thanks..
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From: Eric Budke <budkee@unvax.union.edu>
Subject: Concerts at Union College in Febuary
Reply-To: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:13:37 GMT

Having somewhat just gotten out of our meeting I would like to announce the
following shows at Union College.  To my knowledge taping is allowed 
and we will be trying to get soundboards of the shows ourselves.
Here they are (drumroll please.  These are the first of this year)

Feb 13 SHOCKRA at 9pm at Memorial Chapel $2 for Union Student $3 for non.
		No tickets, the money will be handled at the door.

Feb 19 Omar Saeed Quintet 9pm either Mem. Chapel or Old Chapel
	Come see the band that Matt Laurence has been talking about.
	Of what I've heard up till now they are great.  It's
	also FREE and one of their first shows in the new configuration.

Feb 27 Peter Prince  10:30  Memorial Chapel.  I haven't heard them yet
	but when I get word I'll post it.

March 6th  The Authority is almost finalized more about them later
	and the wonderful people at Music Unlimited.

If you need any info ie. directions etc. email me or call me closer to
the show, I don't have that stuff organized yet.  Be sure to tell others 
about it, especially other Cap. District Schools.

All info about me is below.
-- 
 Eric Budke    budkee@unvax.union.edu      Union College Box 241
"One word sums up probably the             Schenectady NY 12308
 responsibility of any Vice President      518-386-4198
 and that one word is 'to be prepared'." -ex VP Dan Quayle
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From: "Eric M. Budke" <budkee@unvax.union.edu>
Subject: Grovel for Whipping Post
Reply-To: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:41:19 GMT

When was the last time Phish played Whipping Post and was it any good?
I am a huge Allman's fan and am really interesting in hearing their
version.  Does anybody have a good clean tape of it I do have stuff to trade.
But is the tape worth it?  Is the bigger question.
-- 
 Eric Budke    budkee@unvax.union.edu      Union College Box 241
 Pressure?  Pressure is something that     Schenectady NY 12308
  goes in tires"   -Barkley                518-386-4198
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From: ELEE@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Subject: film, video, etc.
Reply-To: ELEE@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:52:58 GMT

Thanks to Shelly for taking the time for posting those great interviews!!

I just wanted to say that I would love to see anything that Phish would have
to offer on film or video, whether it is on MTV or not.  With that, I would
like to wholeheartedly plea for Mike's idea of shooting a documentary
film on tour....that seems to be the only way of getting the visual aspects
of the band recorded without ruining the integrity of the songs or commercializ-
ing anything.  Take, for example, films like "Don't Look Back" or "The Last
Waltz".  These are extremely competent films (of course) that have not been
pretentious or dictatorial in relation to the viewers' interpretation of
the songs, but have just made fantastic accompaniments to each song.
	The idea of shooting the band on film (that would presumably be
transferred to video for distribution) allows the director and the band
more breathing space as artists (as opposed to the 3-minute video format),
since there wouldn't be the pressure to make the video for the sole purpose
of selling singles or albums.  Also the video format is a standardized way
of reaching many Phish fans, and if the film were shot in 16 or 35mm (I hope
the latter), it would look quite nice.
	Principal shooting for the film would not necessarily have
to take a long time.  Again, "The Last Waltz" was shot over a 4-day Thanksgiving
weekend.  Granted, if Mike wanted to take active part in editing, it would
take a long time, but a director could also be hired.
	Expense might also be a problem.  After watching "The Last Waltz"
last week (sorry for the constant analogies, but Martin Scorsese is one of
my idols!), I figured that for live music sequences, Scorsese used about
five cameras....one in the rear of the auditorium for long shots, two on
either side of the stage for frontal close-ups, and one or two behind the
stage for some cool dolly tracking-shots.  Now, assuming that each camera
was rolling simultaneously, and that you would have to coordinate it so that
there were at least two cameras rolling while the others were changing mags,
the cost of film-developing that much footage would be quite a bit....not
to mention hiring the people to operate those film units.
	But these are all logistics that could be worked out to make a cool
film, with interviews and antics intercut.  Sorry for wasting the bandwidth,
but as a film major, I've been thinking about how a Phish documentary might
be made for a long time, and I think that it could work out really well.
I just hope that this could gel together sometime soon to provide a nice
alternative to MTV for those (like me) who crave to see a Phish film or video
made soon.
	Anyway, I hope to see y'all on the upcoming tour!

			-EdLee :)  elee@eagle.wesleyan.edu

p.s. if you're reading this, Mike, if you ever get anything like this to
happen, I'd be willing to P.A. for next-to nothing!
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From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: Re: Lengthwise
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:04:54 GMT

|PS- Whats the word on Rochester? Acoustics? Seating? Area? Security?

The Auditorium is a pretty nice place.  It has a big stage and the 
sound is usually pretty good in there.  

The seating is set up with about 1500-2000 seats in front of the
stage and another 1000 or so in the balcony.  Kinda like it is
in the Palace in Albany.  Every seat's a good seat.

The area is average.  I wouldn't leave anything in my car.  A friend
of mine had her car broken into right down the road from there.  Of
course, that could happen anywhere.

The security has never been a problem there.

If anyone needs directions, I guess I could whip some up.

Al Sodoma


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From: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: marquee handouts
Reply-To: SCA7477@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:00:34 GMT

david steinberg mentioned in a post stuff about someone handing out 
photocopies of some picture of some guy.  now that he mentioned it,
i recall something about that.... i seem to remember getting one and 
talking to people about what it was, and chances are i still have it around
somewhere, but i doubt i'd find it.  i wouldn't have ever remembered 
that except for david's note about it, but now that i have, i'm real
curious if anyone else remembers or knows what it was.
                                -chris  :-)
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From: kolar@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jennifer Lynn Kolar)
Subject: Re: Good Phishing in Colorado
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:04:15 GMT

mas@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Scialdone) writes:

>At one time we were spoiled with a plethora of shows in Boulder,
>Fort Collins, the Springs and up in the mountain towns.

>But now more than ever, we need it.  Phish... won't you please come
>back to the Rocky Mountain State, your home away from home.

>Come back to spawn in this fertile space where you have been before.

Yes! Do please bring your Phishy Phollowers a splendid tour through the
Front Range foothills, and the lands west and beyond!

Sprite
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
University of Colorado, Boulder * I awoke, faintly bouncing around the room *
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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From: "Jamie Shields, McGill" <HCUW@musicb.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Montreal, 12/92, Albany, 11/92
Reply-To: HCUW@musicb.mcgill.ca
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:14:53 GMT

Hello, people. Jamie Shields from Montreal here. Had a great time at the
Spectrum here with the boys in December. Divided Sky sounded real good
two feet from the stage. I was wondering if those who had a decent copy
 of this could drop me a line. I know Zeke from Saratoga Springs (whom
I gave up my seat for so he could tape probably has a bitchin' one. It's
really weird. I know people with 300 tapes and their Montreal copies are
all cruddy. Would really appreciate a buzz. Also, if you have an
opportunity to get ARU at the Montreal Spectrum in July, '92, get it.
One of the best shows I've seen.
                                Jamie Shields, McGill, HCUW000
From: rwood@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Robert J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: I need Fluffhead
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:03:39 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Hey all--
		I was wondering if anyone had a good quality show
(perhaps a soundboard) with a steaming FLUFFFFFFFHHHHEEEEEAAADDDD
on it.  I realized the other day that I do not have any tapes with
this beautiful composition on it, and I feel my collection can not
be complete without it.  Please help me.  I do have over 25 hours to  
trade, so if anyone is interested in trading and has the means to
help a glide in need, it would be appreciated.  See you in Wins-Salem!!

BTW, has anyone considered a net-gathering spot for Winston-Salem?
I do not know the area at all, but I would be interested in meeting 
some people.  

				Brett
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From: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Subject: RE: Blues Image (was RE: Ride Captain Ride?)
Reply-To: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:42:59 GMT

 
Following intense (well... there were a couple of posts)
discussion on the "comback best of `92" (says one netter), I
checked out the hip liner notes to the 1970 disc in my groovy
"Sounds of the Seventies" compact disc collection from Time-Life
Music. (This is not an ad, but I've just decided that this room
needs an extremely mellow lava lamp.)
 
The song is definitely "Ride Captain Ride" by Blues Image, though
I have Phish boots from netters who have labelled the song
"Mystery Ship" just as Shelly (shell-phish? shelly-phish?  hmm..)
says she does.
 
On this particular release, the song is #19 in a list of 21.
(OPC: Number 21, "Thank You (Falletin Me Be Mice Elf Agin)" by
Sly and the Family Stone, looks like prime
phish-cover-in-the-making material.)
 
Despite five riveting pages of discussion of that greatest of
years, 1970, and the veritable handful of lucky musical products
chosen as commemorative musical products, there is very little
said about RCR: "Blues Image's Ride Captain Ride had nothing to
do with the blues".  Whoopie.  (non-ODC: The Grateful Dead are
identified as "primary organizers of the disastrous Altamont
concert".)  The credits include these tidbits: "Music and lyrics
by Franke Konte, music by Carlos Pinera".  The song was released
on Atlantic Recording Corp., and  the highest Billboard chart
position reached was #4.
 
The chorus, for those uncertain, is:
 
"Ride captain ride upon your mystery ship,
&@*#(@#$%/..


ELLIS OF LEMURIA  email: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
   snail mail: P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA 22903
     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
motto: keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train!!  :-)
From: GRYMBLE GRUMBLE <williama@kenyon.edu>
Subject: whoops!
Reply-To: williama@kenyon.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:01:15 GMT

um gotta run...
i sent out a distribution tape list to the grovelers...
if you didn't get one let me know...
it might mean you never confirmed...
that would be bad...
then again i could have screwed up...
well, gotta go...
i will also be sending the picture descriptions out too...
gotta reach before sunday or your out...
got about 11 people now...
dowhachalykehowyalykewhenyalyke,
i gotta go!
dre.
From: jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: TDK Ad - tape advances?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:01:50 -0500
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1993Jan20.143204.15771@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> AGRABINSKI@sc9.intel.com writes:
>So I'm sitting here, right, and I'm watching a little Japanese telly 
>Have there been sufficient technical advances in magnetic media to 
>warrant reconsidering Type I for the kind of taping we do?  Is a Type I 
>of today comparable to, say, a Type II of five years ago?  Any technical 
>discussions welcome.

Yes (in Dolby HX-Pro- not an advance in tape, but an advance in recording
technology).  I don't think the tape formulation has changed much in general.

No matter what, though, if you want it to last, metal formulation tapes
are better (CrO2 or IV, which are ferric oxide I believe) because they
deteriorate much slower.  Normal tapes are noticeably worse after about
10-15 years (this I propose from listening to old storebought tapes-- no,
they aren't just worn out from lots of use... some of 'em I haven't put in
a tape deck in almost as long). 

>BTW, I'll conclude that advances in Type I have been carried over to 
>Type II, and will continue to use high-end Type II and Type IV only for 
>my recording, but this raises interesting questions.  All I have been 
>able to find here in Japan is Type I blanks - and Maxell isn't even a 
>player...

... and the HX-Pro improvement is there for II and IV as well.

-- Jamie
-- 
James A. Treworgy
jamie@access.digex.com
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From: ADDST3@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Subject: Re: Fee on Lawn Boy???
Reply-To: ADDST3@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:27:34 GMT



Before Phish signed on to Electra they released Junta which was sold at gigs
and by mail-order via the newsletter.  When Lawnboy was first released it was
on an independent label that eventually went under (hence the scarce supply.)
That first printing had a few typing errors ("Run Like And Antelope") and yes,
Fee was slapped onto the end. It is the exact same recording of Fee found on
Junta. Eventually Phish signed with Electra, put out PON, and within a year
their popularity increased geometrically. Lawnboy was re-issued (minus the
errors), followed by Junta. Because Phish had planned the CD release of Junta
for a long time they opted (I suppose) not to include Fee on the re-issue of
Lawn Boy. If you have an original copy of Lawn Boy keep it in a nice safe place
and go out and but the electra one to listen to. It's bound to be a collector's
item. The same can be said for any original casset copies of Junta.

I hope this clears things up.

Aaron Dunsay
From: sobelman@cco.caltech.edu (Steven M. Sobelman )
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: People Magazine should read Columbia House
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:50:25 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu writes:

>The recent "issue" of the Columbia House tape/disc club's The
>Music Source lists the following two entries on page 33:

>"Phish * Lawn boy. 1990 reissue from free-jamming retro-rockers.

>"Phish * A Picture of Nectar. Take rock and jazz.  Add calypso,
>reggae and barbershop.  Stir.

I think this sums up Phish so much better than that stupid People Magazine
article it's not even funny.  The People people should take a lesson and
take a listen.


Too-cubed,
Steve

P.S.  Hey Allan Keeton, where have you been?  I need a story fix.  :)
From: GRYMBLE GRUMBLE <williama@kenyon.edu>
Subject: El Finito de burrito!
Reply-To: williama@kenyon.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:25:24 GMT

That's it!
Time is up!
Whoever confirmed with me for the grovel is now officially in.
The grovel will now commence.
I'll set up everything in a post soon.
Will also get out decsrciption list to all grovelers.
Finally, it has arrived.
Well it's about damn time, don't you think!
Hope everyone digs the pics!
They're worth it!
Trust me!
dre.
SUBLIMINAL... s o m e o n e   g e t   s k a l  t w o  t i x  t o
r o s e l a n d !  P l e a s e !  M a y  I c c u l u s  b l e s s
h i m!

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From: V078PZ5Z@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Subject: Geneva ticket grovel
Reply-To: V078PZ5Z@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:44:35 GMT

Sorry to all the grovel-haters but if anyone has extra Geneva tix
I would be much abliged.  Thanx,
                                       matt
                                       v078pz5z@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: sf04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SEAN FOLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Roseland Grovel
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:18:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Let me join the others in the great Roseland ticket grovel.
    Please
        Please
            PRETTY PLEASE...

                    ...with sugar on top

If anyone can spare two Saturday tix for the show at Roseland e-mail me @

    sf04.Lehigh.edu
    Sean Foley

    Please be kynd



    
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From: "Matthew D. Scott" <m_scott@oz.plymouth.edu>
Subject: portland
Reply-To: m_scott@oz.plymouth.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:29:31 GMT

hey phishnet this is my first message and it will be brief. just
wanted to drop a line and say that a bunch of us from plymouth state
are going to see the show on the third. so if you see a red volkswagon fox
with a smoke screen coming out of the windows and people yelling "BOY
MAN..."just give a honk on your horn. Maybe we'll see you at the show
and pass you one down the aisle. see ya. sincerely, one of the travelers.  
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