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From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:01:21 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Oct1121455@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>[...] if we continue to look at this issue pragmatically, we discover that the
>actual usage of r.m.bluenote corresponds exactly to the pragmatic
>definitions of blues & jazz that we all use in the real world. We get,
>and can easily recognize and distinguish, blues articles and jazz
>articles. The overlap is too small to be significant.

"too small to be significant"?  Excuse me, but I provided a quantitative
estimate of what that overlap is a few days ago, and it hardly qualifies
as "too small to be significant".  What quantitative research have you
done that either (a) sustains your premise or (b) refutes mine?

---Rsk
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.arts.marching
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:14:57 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <69961@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.173411.4449@desire.wright.edu> byork@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>I am also of the opinion that there should be two groups:
>>
>>         rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
>>         rec.arts.marching.misc
>>
>                            ^^^^ I prefer band instead of misc.
>

I agree and prefer to see bands instead of misc.  I think misc was suggested
to encourage colorguard discussion on the misc group.  But interestingly, I
have not seen one post here discussing colorguards specifically.  Alt.colorguard
does exist and its traffic is consistently very low.  Thus the question arises,
how important is it to people to name the second group rec.arts.marching.misc
as opposed to rec.arts.marching.bands?  Do people think that there is enough
traffic for non-marching-band related items to warrent a misc instead of a
bands?  I for one do not think there is.

My overriding concern when giving a name to these groups is to make the name
as informative as possible.  I believe that the word bands in the name would
be much more informative to someone looking at newsgroups than would the word
misc

This is not meant to slight the colorguard people.  If you are a colorguard fan
and think that misc is the way to go to encourage discussion on rec.arts.
marching.misc then please let us know.  Are there colorugard fans out there
who want to offer input? 

Lastly, I'm perfectly comfortable welcomining any colorguard discussion on
rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.  They are after-all sister activities.  If not,
then they do still have alt.colorguard.


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From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Summary: Great idea!  But I'd like to call it "misc.health.alternative".
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:24:30 GMT

A newsgroup for the discussion of alternative medicine is a great idea --
it's one I've been waiting for for a while.

I'd like to generalize the idea a bit and recognize the holistic nature of
many alternative therapies by suggesting that we use "health" in the
newsgroup name instead of "medicine".

There have been some suggestions to place the newsgroup in the "soc"
hierarchy, but I think this would be a mistake -- "soc" is really for
social issues and for socialization.

I propose instead that we place it in the "misc" hierarchy: how about
"misc.health.alternative"?  "health" would fit right in with the other
misc groups: "consumers", "education", "jobs", "kids", "legal", etc.

I volunteer to facilitate: I can help draft a charter, provide technical
help with email or setting up FAQ lists, etc.

I'd like to recommend a book, too: "Alternative Medicine", by Dr. Andrew
Stanway, Penguin Books, 1986, ISBN 0-14-008561-0.  Dr. Stanway provides a
reasonably objective overview of 32 alternative therapies: acupuncture,
Alexander technique, anthroposophical medicine, aromatherapy, ayurveda,
Bach remedies, biochemics, biofeedback, chiropractic, colour therapy,
do-in, healing, herbal medicine, homeopathy, hydrotherapy, hypnosis,
macrobiotics, megavitamin therapy, naturopathy, negative ion therapy,
orgone therapy, osteopathy, pattern therapy, psionic therapy, pyramid
healing, radiesthesia, radionics, reflexology, Rolfing, shiatsu, sound
therapy, and yoga, along with a good look at alternative therapies in
the context of present and future times.

(I imply no relative comparison of efficacy between therapies by listing
them together; some of those are pretty straightforward and obviously
effective; others are pretty far out.)

The overviews present the history, applicable theories, strengths and
weaknesses of each therapy.  Scientific evaluations and references are not
presented, for the most part, since this is a survey book, but it's not a
book full of apologies for quackery, either.  A fair bibliography is
included.

Again, to summarize: yes for an alternative health newsgroup, which I
would call "misc.health.alternative".  I'd like to help.

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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.comics.tv
Followup-To: news.groups
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:12:11 GMT

I can see this working out okay - if it is created, make sure that whoever
it is that maintains the list of newsgroups which deal with TV shows is
made aware of it so that they can add it to the list.

What about things that are only(?) available on video - at Blockbusters
I have seen some videos based on Marvel characters (X-Men, Spiderman, Iron Man),
etc.  Are those sorts of things applicable?  What about feature movies which
were made for the big screen but based on comics - like the DuckTales movie?
What about TV series which are based on big screen features but also get
comics spun off - like I assume Aladdin?  Just trying to get a feel for
how exclusionary you envision this to be?  For instance, there is what I would
consider a comperable group called rec.arts.anime - it covers for Japanese
based moving media what I gather you are describing for American media.  But
they are quite determined that only the Japanese based art is worthy of
discussion.  I assume that this new group would focus on non-Japanese?  Or
would it be only American ?  What about discussions of novel adaptations of
the TV series shows or realities - or for that matter comics based on the
TV shows which were based on the comics?  Seriously - I gather this is
either happening or going to happen with Batman - The Animated Series...
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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: comp.graphics.gnuplot passes 246:16
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:26:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvAr0D.IFM
Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Organization: UIUC Physics Department
Originator: lewart@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu
Cc: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)

In article <Bv37G3.5us@uu.net> d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:

> The vote tally for the creation of comp.graphics.gnuplot was:
>	YES: 245
>	 NO:  16

The corrected vote tally for the creation of comp.graphics.gnuplot was:
	YES: 246
	 NO:  16

The following vote had not been recorded because of system crashes and
hurricane problems at the voter's site:

	Yes     russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)

It is my pleasure to announce that comp.graphics.gnuplot shall be
created shortly!

Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.motorcycles.euro
Keywords: Aprilia to Zundapp
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:26:43 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <BvEDHM.6zw@uunet.uu.net>, zeleny@husc.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
> I propose a newsgroup dedicated to the fine art of bench, umm, terminal
> racing those exotic Austrian, British, Czech, Danish, Dutch, French,
> German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, and Swedish motorcycles.  Also welcome
> are the periodic discussions concerning the vagaries of motorcycle travel
> and ownership in the Old World, the right side for driving and/or mounting
> the sidecar, the horror of helmet laws, and so on.  The Harley bums have
> pulled it off, so please don't tell me that it's been tried and found
> impossible.  Let's do it NOW.

Lets see, Harleys have a separate newsgroup,  and you propose a newsgroup for
all non-american marques.  I guess the rest of us better hope that Indian
does make a comeback otherwise there will be nothing left for rec.motorcycles.

Terry


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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:53:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <1992Oct3.171151.29824@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker) writes:
>With the arts part removed, the people who say that the name is long
>(it certainly isn't the longest) can rest easier [...]

The question that remains unanswered: why were these people having trouble
resting in the first place? Why was the proposed length of the group causing
them sleepless nights, and why would removing 5 letters from the name cure
their insomnia?

As far as I can tell, there is no problem with the length of a name like
rec.arts.marching.drumcorps. If there is someone out there who does have
a problem with the length of this name, could they please step forward
and tell us exactly what the length problem is?

Don't go another sleepless night!

>Scott

--phil
From: tony@microware.co.uk (Tony Mountifield)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.vmebus
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:24:00 GMT
Organization: Microware Systems (UK) Ltd., Winchester, UK.

In article <BvCwv4.Mnz.1@cs.cmu.edu> dstewart+@cs.cmu.edu (David B Stewart) writes:
> In article <3212@inducom.nl> meindert@inducom.nl (Meindert Kuipers) writes:
> 
> >Should we call the newsgroup comp.sys.open_bus or comp.sys.VITA or something
> >similar?
> 
> I think this is a good question.  I don't want to call it comp.sys.open_bus.
> However, should we call it 'comp.sys.vita' or 'comp.sys.vmebus'?
> 
> While 'comp.sys.vita' would better define the scope of the newsgroup, I think
> that 'comp.sys.vmebus' would be more informative to the majority of potential
> newsgroup readers.  I know a lot of people that use the VMEbus (at least around
> here) know the term "VMEbus" but have never heard of VITA.  Therefore if they
> are searching for the newsgroup, they would search for the string "vme" and not
> "vita".  I would therefore like to keep the name 'comp.sys.vmebus', but make it
> clear in the charter that topics relating to any buses supported by VITA are
> within the scope of the newgroup.  Do you have any comment(s) on the
> better name for this newsgroup?

For the reasons that David outlined, I would strongly support
'comp.sys.vmebus' in preference to 'comp.sys.vita'.

Tony.
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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: CFD for *.apathy newsgroups
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<1992Oct5.220644.27526@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:44:15 GMT



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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: rec.*.drumcorps
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:18:32 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

Put my vote in for rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.

There. I already typed it once, and it didn't seem so bad. :-)

If the band people (of which I am one) want to form their own rec.* group,
I say that's fine. But I don't really see why we should be so worried about
it. The rec.arts.marching hierarchy leaves plenty of room for anyone inter-
ested in the marching music idiom, and if someone wants to start a 
rec.arts.marching.scottish.pipe.bands or whatever, more power to them.
We are here to discuss the formation of a News group for DRUM CORPS.

There. That should stir up some conversation!

--Brad.



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From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:08:34 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>2. Jazz & blues are so close in spirit that they should be covered by
>   the same group.
>3. Most jazz fans are also interested in blues and vice versa.

As a regular reader of bluenote that does not have an interest in
"Blues Music" (e.g. SRV is in my kill file), I would not care if
rec.music.blues was created.  (I assume that discussions of
Johnny Hodges would continue to be in bluenote.) The question is:
are there enough Blues fans that are not interested in the "jazz"
aspects of bluenote?

>4. It is the essence of jazz (as most of us see it) to be open-ended.
>   Therefore, we like the fuzziness and diversity of this group.
>   We would rather have a group that is "too wide" and covers some
>   things that are "not really jazz or blues" (like Frank Zappa, Bela
>   Fleck, King Sunny Ade and Hindemith) than a group that is "too
>   narrow" -- a group where people constantly argue on whether or not
>   Eric Clapton is blues and Frank Sinatra is jazz.

I have to whole-heartedly agree on this point.  If the group is
to be split, I would *NOT* like to see bluenote renamed to rec.music.jazz.
"bluenote" is deliciously ambiguous, yet sufficiently suggestive.

Long live rec.music.bluenote!
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:27:30 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep28121842@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com
(Richard Shapiro) writes:

>Oh please. I've provided *long*, detailed justifications. Try using
>your "p" key. If anything, I've been too verbose on the subject. I
>wouldn't be surprised if some people were skipping my articles for
>this reason. That's fine, but don't expect me to take followups from
>such people seriously.

This is great.  Richard Shapiro is intent on answering
every dissent from his position, and justifying every
aspect of his point of view.  If he holds to this
narcissistic approach his crusade will almost certainly
fail, which will suit me just fine.
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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.comics.tv
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:16:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulogic.373
Organization: negligable

Chaos Item #1:
	should we create two of these, animated & live-action?

		animated:
			fish police
			new batman
			teenage mutant ninja turtles
			heathcliff
			etc
			etc

		live action
			batman "classic"
			flash
			human target
			the incredible hulk
			etc
			etc

If you want this new topic to escape the deluge of the new batman
animated discussion, this would end up being the proper topic for
it as well and perhaps we should add a little more specificity to
get it as isoloated as possible w/o createing a specific batman/animated
group.


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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:27:45
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
	<1992Sep27.150557.418@pellns.alleg.edu>
	<1992Sep27.202843.23214@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
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In-reply-to: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU's message of Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:28:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.202843.23214@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
   Right now I hear two reasons for splitting the group: ...
   [2] that the pairing of jazz and blues in the same group is
   conceptually messy  and arbitrary.

Good two-line summary, to which I would only add: the group is already
split in every thing but name.

That sums up my argument very neatly. Detailed explanations can be
found in other postings.
From: gee7759@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Glenn Elliott)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.frp.board
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:15:33 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex) writes:

>    ]-[ere's a new one I just thought of:
> 
> rec.games.armored-combat
> 
>    ][t may be a little too general.  It also is weighted more towards the
> tactical aspect of the games, and less towards the role-playing aspect.

Definitely.  My first guess for appropriate games would be games like
Advanced Squad Leader.  None of them involve role playing, but they are all
quite tactical.  And they involve combat with armored vehicles.

> "Armored" conotates people actually wearing armor, whether its personal
> armor like in Warhammer, or mecha type armor, which is worn almost as
> much as it's piloted/driven.

"Armored", to me, does not imply *people* wearing armor as much as it
implies a *vehicle* with armor.  The definition you are using fits more
closely with "Powered Armor".  At least, that's how it seems to me.

> I don't think it would get confused with
> tanks/etc., which are usually described as just "armor."

I disagree.  The first thing I thought of as I was reading your post was
that this sounded too much like a sub-group devoted to tank warfare.  If
you are a fan of the Battletech genre, then it is quite possible that this
group name would be clear.  However, I think that people unfamiliar with
Battletech would (quite understandably) confuse this group with one devoted
to tank warfare.

> If the vote comes down to r.g.frp.board or
> r.g.board.frp, I'm going to vote "No," and urge all the people I know in
> r.g.b to vote "No," as well.

Me too.

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From: fath1@husc11.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:00:33 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Oct3.171151.29824@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.104653.15966@husc3.harvard.edu> fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>>I agree.  I don't think there is any inherent reason why arts must be part
>>of the name.  I'd be happy with a
>>
>>rec.marching.drumcorps
>>and the option of a rec.marching.bands
>>
>I agree.  The arts part is nice, but unneccessary.  Perhaps rec.marching.
>drumcoprs, or rec.marching.bands is the best way to go.  With
>the arts part removed, the people who say that the name is long
>(it certainly isn't the longest) can rest easier, and the people who
>want to be able to differentiate between bands and drumcorps can do so.
>
>Scott
>
After reading further discussion putting arts in the name, I have somewhat
changed my mind from this earlier opinion.  Phil and other have argued that
it is important to be consistant with the ReadNews hierachy and I agree with
that.  They argue that putting marching directly off rec is not appopriate
because marching is not a broad enough term to rank as rec.marching.*.
I agree with that too.

Given the choices, arts is clearly the preferable subtopc to place it under.
Thus, I'll say [again  :-)] that my preferences are:

rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
rec.arts.marching.bands  (or if people prefer - rec.arts.marching.misc)


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From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:14:15 GMT

      rec.arts.marching.drumcorps 
                 
                 or

         rec.arts.drumcorps
  

But then again, I thougt Madison should
have won DCI.  So what do I know! :)

Cam




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