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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELFARE:  AN IDEA
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:13:01 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Sep2.180332.16027@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>
>We may be able to drastically reduce the number of children living
>below the poverty line if women are able to obtain jobs outside the
>secretarial pool.  The enormous income dispartiy between men and women
>goes a fair distance in accounting for the number of children in
>poverty.

We'd do a much better job by preventing single parent households.
The majority of children in poverty live in households with a
single woman as head of household. Child poverty is the result
of unwed mothers and broken homes much more than it is the result
of pay disparities between men and women.

Current government policies encourage single parent households
with female heads of household. That needs to be changed. Custody
cases should center on ability to support the child rather than
on sex of parent. Welfare needs reform to stop rewarding single
females for having more children. And the tax code needs reform
to stop penalizing married couples. The powerful manipulators
of popular culture need to stop glorifying single parenthood 
and stress the shame and stigma associated with unwed pregnancy.
The sexual revolution has failed, we need to go back to emphasizing
the strong family unit.

<Gads, I sound like Dan Quayle>

Gary
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From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Political Parties in the U.S. (was Re: Is this a socialist
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:41:04 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mips.com

John R. Moore) writes:
|> Keywords: 
|> 
|> Kathy Beatty) writes:
|> ]katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
|> ]:
|> ]: Wrong. The DEA has the power to confiscate property without even charging
|> ]: you with a crime! Our wonderfule (NOT!) conservative supreme court has
|> ]: upheld this. Several of the Reagan/Bush appointees to the supreme court
|> ]: believe there is no right to privacy in the U.S. There are also sobriety
|> ]: checkpoints, which allow local law enforcement to stop and search people
|> ]: without probable cause. In short, while most people in this country have
|> ]: been cheering on the Reagan "Revolution," the Republican administrations
|> ]: of the last 12 years have been happily taking away our rights.
|> ]: 
|> ]
|> ]... And trying to blame it all on the liberals.
|> 
|> And why not? As far as I know, the first common use of civil forfeiture 
|> was to seize property for the IRS, without trial or a charge. I haven't
|> heard many liberals complaining about ANY of these violations of our
|> rights, and the conservatives would be more consistent if we complained
|> about the use of civil forfeiture in all cases, not just in tax cases.
|> 
|> Civil forfeiture makes a mockery of the fifth amendment:
|> 
|>   "...nor shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
|>    due process of law;"
|> 
|> Civil forfeiture means guilty until proven innocent, at YOUR cost!
|> 
OK John, I'm confused.  Are you saying that IRS seizure of property against
a tax lean is 1) a plot of the democratic party or 2) taxation is illegal and
any means to collect it are, therefore, illegal.  We need to know if it is
you veracity or your politics that are in hyperspace.
_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dog's, never my employer's.
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From: mhi@wet.UUCP (Philip E. Murphy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:50:28 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

CLAYTON CRAMER - Epilogue 


	The best any of you can do who read tripe like Cramer writes is to ig-  
nore him.  He craves attention and will respond to anything written that he is
even remotely in disagreement with.  The problem is - the U.S. is increasingly 
getting more people like him.  They lack the social experience, the willingness
to change, the insight to look at other people and smile when they see other
people having decent lives.  

	Fortunately there are so many more people on the net we can listen to.
You are always going to have people like him, threatening retaliation.  It re-
minds me of the person who yells "queer" or "nigger" from the window of a 
swiftly moving car - eventually someone gets their license plate and turns them
in.  What he has done so far is legal.  Does he get any work done at his 
company?  Is her worth the connect time - no.  I am always more interested in
replies to his postings - it is much more entertaining.  I would reccomend that
he not be put in kill files, but I would reccomend that you ignore posting back
to him.  Is he someone any of us would actually spend time with at a party?
If you would'nt want to talk to him at a party or coffee room, then do not give
him the time of day.

	In closing, it would be nice to see a return to discussions in ca.pol
and ba.pol and talk.pol that actually reflect those newsgroups. ions that actu-
ally reflect the newsgroups.  There is much politics ACTUALLY going on in the
bay area and state and nationally that is more interesting.  Our discussions
can cross lines - be hot to the touch.  But we also must maintain some decorum.
When you post you should write as if you were physically talking to the per-
son - or at least had to interact somewhat with the person.  The personal at-
tacts on Cramer are every bit as bad as his postings.  Even when people are 
"right on" with their comments to Cramer, using "asshole" and "fuck you"
demean the entire content of the rebuttal.

	Oh well, I guess I have rambled on here.  It does not really count to
much - or amount to much.  You all will probably continue to post rebuttals to
drivel that you see.  But what if we had real dialogue here  ------ nah!!


regards - phil murphy

"My ideas are fortunately my own - for now.  No one would dare agree with me"

-- 

Phil Murphy                                          (415) 824-1697 voice
P.O. Box 460084 San Francisco,CA 94146-0084          (415) 695-9156 fax
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:45466 bit.listserv.politics:13982
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 23:41:38 CDT
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,bit.listserv.politics
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From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Health care will-o-wisps
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:56:02 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

This is what I consider to be the most compelling reason AGAINST national
health insurance.

Since private companies would still participate to a large extent in health
care, they would definitely move to take advantage of every loophole in the
system to take more away from patients and taxpayers.  The government would
be moving to close those loopholes all the time.

Who do you think would move faster and smarter?  The government would have to
regulate the use and charge of everything from needles to complex operations.
Even if they had no corrupt, politically motivated intentions to take care of
special interests, it would still be a formidable task to manage.

The broadest issue has to be fairness to all players: consumers, payers,
and providers.  With national health insurance, either taxpayers or patients
(probably both) will lose big time.  Something has to give for the inability
of the government to cope with private providers.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: YAWoB (Yet Another Waste of Bandwith) (Was: Possible Connection...
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:25:51 GMT

In <1992Sep8.214605.1727@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

>PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  (David Veal) writes:
>] In article <1992Sep3.124045.8199@wetware.com>
>] drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>] >mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:
>] >] >drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>] >] >> dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>] >]
>] >] > AMEN Brother And PREACH IT!!!!!!
>] >] > HeteroSexuality IS CUREABLE!!!!!
>] >]
>] >] > As Long as Hetro's Are Allowed to Wallow in their Sin and Degradation
>] >] > what Will Protect the MORALS and SCRUPPLES and WholeSomeFamilyValues!!!!!
>] >]
>] >] > I Agree Brother! OutLaw Hetro's NOW!!!!!
>] >] > Its Not enough to "Just Say NO! to Hetro!"
>] >] > We Must OUTLAW THEM! We Must Make THEM find The CURE!!!!!
>] >]
>] >] I *hope* drieux (, just drieux) is joking, for his petty war against
>] >] heterosexuality (not to mention proper cApitalIzatioN) is inane.
>] >] Suppose we outlaw heterosexuality. Then the human race is extinct in
>] >] one generation. Think about it.
>] >
>] >think about the Fact that all the BRUTAL MASS MURDERES
>] >and MORAL DEGENERATE SICKO's on this planet were born
>] >by Flagrant HeteroSexuality!!!!!
>] 
>]      *And* the breathed oxygen, *and* they we subject to gravity, *and*
>] they all had DNA, *and* they all had circulatory systems.

>I never Noticed THAT!!!!!

Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if he weren't kidding. :->

Tschuess!
-- 
Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           
No News (is bad news)
No mail for mmarx (is worse)

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Brian Kane claims pedophilia != child molestation
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:07:30 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <12279@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <95783@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>Pedophilia is an orientation. Child molesting is acting
>>on that orientation. If you are a pedophile and you don't act on your
>>compulsions, no one gets hurt.

>So you would agree that if a person known to be a pedophile (whether
>actually convicted of child molestation) applied to a day care center,
>or sought to be a teacher, and was turned down for the job because
>of that, he should have legal recourse against the employer?

No, I would not agree about his legal recourse. For two reasons:

1. When defining sexual orientation, I believe there is a real need
for any anti-discrimination laws which exist to define the limits as
applying to orientations which may lead to ***MUTUALLY CONSENTING
INFORMED ADULT*** sexual actions.

2. Clearly a pedophile, whether or not he has committed any crimes,
is not appropriate for a job at a day care center.

But when is any sexual orientation which realizes itself in any ***MUTUALLY
INFORMED CONSENTING ADULT SEXUAL ACTIONS (IN PRIVATE)*** going to be
a problem in a job?

Let's use some common sense, for God's sake.

Brian
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Picking and Choosing our References
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:24:58 GMT
	    <95790@bu.edu> <12294@optilink.UUCP>
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kane@buast7.bu.edu

In article <12294@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <95790@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>> If you were happy being monogamous, meeting the demands of several
>> wives WOULD be a problem.

>My, this posting tells me a lot about you.

Like what?

You say you're happy being monogamous, but that you would nevertheless
have no problem satisfying the sexuals needs of several women.

I say that if you're truly monogamous, then you WOULD have a problem
with having sex with someone other than your wife.

What does this say about me?

I want to know just how presuming you are.

Brian
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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: I want Line-Item Tax Allocations for me
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:03:12 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Distribution: na
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <5176@gold.gvg.tek.com>
 by mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson):

:	 1) I think the NEA contributes to what makes our culture
:	 civilized. However, I recognize that [some people]
:	 would rather not have their tax dollars go to this 
:	 organization. Fine. How about we have a line-item
:	 tax allocation system? You fund your christian schools,
:	 I'll fund the NEA. Do you have a problem with this?

I've got an even better idea.

How's about we abolish taxes altogether, and if you want to cut a check
to the NEA, then by all means, do so.

(Personally, I think that if the NEA evaporated tonight, our culture
wouldn't even notice its passing.)

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them
first for seven hours, they always come out tender.  -- W. C. Fields
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From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
|> And, besides this, there is another problem: How to apply the law: How do
|> you show that you fired someone because he is incompetent, and not because
|> he is Gay.
|> There is a problem with the burden of proof, if that persons says: I was
|> fired because I am Gay.

Easy.  The Boy Scouts of America are very vocal in proclaiming "We,
being the last bastion of decency in this country, fired Joe Scoutmaster
not because he had the best record of any of our leaders, not because
the scouts he led were the most able, most conscientious, most always
prepared(TM), but because he was - TADA! - a homosexual."  What more
proof do you need.

Have you ever heard of anything so ridiculous happening to a straight
person?

				...jim
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Hong Kong 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:12:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: Independence; invade

In article <g92b8843.14.716255318@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g92b8843@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR PA BAISE) writes:
>Hi
>
>I was just wondering what would happen if Hong Kong declared independence 
>from the U.K. before 1997, just as Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) did. Would 
>China invade militarily? What would the U.K. govt. do?  Please post opinions.


   I don't understand why, in the 1990's, it is still acceptable for 
   big powers to play chess with little bits of territory the way they
   used to in the 19th century without any regard at all for the apparent
   wishes of the people living there.  Has any plebiscite of the residents
   of Hong Kong been taken to determine their opinion?   The people of 
   Hong Kong are a wonderfully hard-working, industrious, creative and 
   free people who are about to be handed over to one of the vilest and
   most repressive regimes on earth and nobody seems to care.   Why is 
   this?


---peter

   
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
Organization: LC
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 07:44:11 GMT

In article <95439@bu.edu> gene@cs.bu.edu (Gene Itkis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep04.181321.2461616@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>>Besides, israel came to forcefull existence on May, 15 '48.  Before
>>that the term israel was only biblical pointing to an extinct tribe.
>						       ^^^^^^^
>You wish...
>
>Besides I'd like to point out that Elghani is quite careful in capitalizing all
>proper names except Israel.

NO, that was unintentional.  I have a great respect for the term Israel, which
is cleanly independent of the name used to identify theft of people's land
in the name of a pure and honest religion (Judaism).  If Shamir
would follow  pure Judaism properly,  he would not occupy the home of 
an orphend,  or make a family of 12 children a family of 12 orphends ,
or blow up homes of old people because their  commited a crime.  Certaily,
if a Muslim or a Christian leader would do so, then they would be
off track from those to religions.  BTW, Judaism has great values, the
history of Prophet, Moses PBUH proves so.  Therefore, the story of 
land theft done by the Europeans is fully independent of the pure term,
Israel.

Don't understand me wrong, I am neiter a jew hater, nor a racist.  After 
all I am a muslim, and Islam is considered the completion of Judaism;
Moses for example is a prophet of islam when it was still in its Judaism
phase.  How could I  be anti Judaism and be a true moslem?  Illogical.

jle