From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: Macintosh bigots
Keywords: PC Good, Mac less so : )
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:32:08 GMT

In article: <1992Nov18.003755.20329@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> Joseph T. Malloy responds:

  > >JM> I looked -- oh, so briefly -- longingly at one of the first Macs
  >>JM> demonstrated around here in, what, 1984?  It sure seemed nifty.  But
  >>JM> when I asked the salesdroid about getting the the CLI, his reaction was
  >>JM> a befuddled "what?"  I finally made it clear what I meant and he finally
  >>JM> made it clear to me that I couldn't.  That was the end of the Mac for
  >>JM> me, never mind its outrageous price (for the 128K Mac!  MacWrite could
  >>JM> hold, what, six double-spaced typed pages of test?  What a joke!) and
  >>JM> closed archetecture (single source?  No, thanks!) 
  >>
  >>JM> With the Mac, it's either love it or leave it, the user has no choice.
  >>JM> That, I susepct, keeps it in its fringe position as much as price and
  >>JM> closed architecture.  Mac heads have no choice.  Windows and, even more,
  >>JM> OS/2 users do have a choice.  I'll take choice any day.
  >>
  >>JM> Besides, those screens were so darn small!  Such bad resolution!  And
  >>JM> that 90-day Apple warranty!  Reliance on dealers for service (the
  >>JM> average Apple dealer in this area lasts about 2 years).  Yikes!
  >>
  >>JM> jmalloy@hamilton.edu
  >>
  >>Joseph:  If you ever graduate I'll be amazed.
  >>
  >>Do you wonder what Joseph would think if he saw a Mac II with a window
  >>spanning both a 19" 24-bit color display and a monochrome portrait display
  >>at the same time?  
  >>
  >>Answer (you choose)    Where's the eject button?
  >>                       Does it come with a CLI?
  >>                       Is extended memory standard?
  >>                       Gee! That 19" color monitor is soo small.
  >>                       Can I format floppies in the background?
  >>                       Will it take PC adapter cards?
  >>                       Where's the 5 1/4 drive?
  >> 
  >>
  >>[MGM]

JM> Hey, to you it's Professor Malloy, Ph.D.  So much for the personal
JM> insult.  Don't make unfounded ASSumptions..

Gee, I'm sorry I offended you.  And yes, I'm amazed.  Did you expect
me to give you more credit when you use terms like 'Mac heads'

JM> I suppose your point is that the Mac advanced beyond its initial,
JM> crippled state.  Please show me where I said anything to the contrary.
JM> If you re-read whay I wrote, you'll see that I was recounting a story
JM> from the past.  The past is not the present, see?  (So, for your ability
JM> to read what I wrote and reason with that, I give you an F!)

Unfortunately that wasn't my point at all. (So, for your... No, forget it.)

JM> The Mac you describe, alas, is still in the minority.  We're a heavily
JM> Macked-up campus and most of the machines available are either 512s or
JM> some flavor of a plus.  What has held IS back?  Cost.  The Mac, until
JM> very recently, was never much of a bargain.

I'm sorry to hear that you still have such old equipment at your site. 
ASU had rooms full of color Mac II's & IIci machines for students to
use.  Nearly every professor in the EE department had a Mac II or at
least an SE/30 with a external 19" monitor attached.

JM> I usually don't return insults, but, hey, it's Usenet!  If you ever
JM> learn to read, it'll be amazing!  (Must be too much time diddling with
JM> those, um, little pictures on your Mac...)

Touch'e...   NOT.   :)


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