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From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Keywords: Giants
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:49:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.040522.20349@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>
>>>baseball officials the way they wanted us to and listened to their
>>>promises.  They have come through with none of them.
>>>
>>Like a cheap slut who dresses provocatively to seduce married men and then 
>>screams like hell when they go back to their wives...
>
>I think that's a patently unfair assessment.  Up until they filed suit this
>time around, Tampa Bay didn't do anything that hasn't been done elsewhere
>in the league successfully.  Or are the folks in Atlanta, Milwaukee, and
>Minnesota all cheap sluts too?
>
>-- 
> davE.  Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
>######### David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########

Thank you.  I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Tampa has waited and waited for baseball.  We have had many moments
when it looked possible, feasible, and even a sure thing, only to
have a team snatched away.  We let go of the Twins with a nod from 
MLB that expansion is on the way. We were used by the White Sox so
they could get there new stadium. We tried for the Rangers only to
again be turned away.  We lost out in the expansion to Miami.  Now
we the Giants have slipped away.

Are we sore?  YES WE ARE.  Have we created waves or not coorperated
with MLB?  Not until now.  Basically, all we are doing is what the
above mentioned cities each have done.  I guess that's business.


DonO 

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Red Sox mailing list
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:13:04 GMT

In article <20NOV199209505852@opal.tufts.edu> bdangelo@opal.tufts.edu (Barbara J. D'Angelo) writes:
>In article <9211200917.AA09421@epona>, G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (G Price) writes...
>>Could someone mail me any information on any Red Sox mailing lists in existence
>> 
>>Cheers 
>>Gwyn
>
>Me too, please.
>bdangelo@opal.tufts.edu

I am in charge of a Red Sox mailing list.  To join, e-mail to
tedward@cs.cornell.edu.  Of course after the expansion draft,
I'm not sure I'll be a Sox fan much longer.  Anybody got a good
team?  Doesn't have to be a current winner, but *must* have an
intelligent GM!

-Valentine
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From: stcmille@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen C. Miller)
Subject:  NEWS FLASH (WAS:Rockies will take (according to Denver Post)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:09:30 GMT

First selected: some minor league Mets pitcher.  From an organization
that can ill afford to lose it, too...

-- 
--------------------
=					
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Steve Miller	 		    stcmille@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: NL MVP voting oddities
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:01:12 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Well, I haven't seen any postings on this, so I'll go ahead.

Barry Bonds won his 2nd MVP award in 3 years yesterday.

Of course, 4 people thought Pendleton was more valuable, and *TWO*
people put Bonds third on their ballots.  Idiots.

Sheffield, having a year that made Terry Pendleton's look average, came
in third.  Oh, but wait, I forgot.  Pendleton drove in 5 more runs.

But then again, these are the same people that put Marquis Grissom ahead
of Ryne Sandberg, and that gave Otis Nixon more votes than Bob Tewksberry.

Mark Grace got more votes than Will Clark.  Actually, Will Clark didn't
get any.  He also got more votes than Jeff Bagwell.

-- 
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Marlins fans are merely jealous...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.200148.20654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
>Save percentage 
>
>Chicago   .661        Boston     .520

Check your calculations...  Reardon was/is bad, but he wasn't *that* bad.

-Valentine
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From: mcdowemd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Mark D. McDowell)
Subject: Re: Post Draft Trade Results
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.194841.22894@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess) writes:
>
>Here are all the ones I know about:
>
>Greg Hibbard to Cubs for Alex Arias and Gary Scott
>Danny Jackson to Phillies for 4 minor league pitchers

I've been snowed with school and work this week and unfortunately missed the
draft and trade news.  Unfortunately, I'm also a Cubs fan.  If someone could
tell me who Hibbard played for and a quick stat/subjective description, I
would certainly appreciate it.  If this has been beaten to death, I apologize.
An email reply would be fine to save bandwidth.

Thanks in advance!

-- 
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From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: the anti-hit is gone
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:28:00 PST
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov20.182132.4452@panix.com>, spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
> In <1992Nov20.132250.27024@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:
> 
>>Now for the big question, just WHAT are the Royals doing?  They already have
>>a fine second baseman (Miller).  Lind hasn't played SS since A ball, and
>>Miller hasn't played much SS at all in his career.  If they are planning on
>>moving Miller to SS and playing Lind at 2B, they WHY did they protect Howard
>>in the draft???
> 

  { stuff deleted }

> Quiz: What does a team with two of the 5 worst offensive regulars in the
> AL do?
> 
> Answer: Pick up the worst offensive player in the NL, of course.  Isn't this 
> solution obvious to everyone?
> 
> 
> The only explanation I can think of is that there is a secret race between
> the Royals and the Angels to see who can put the worse offense on the field
> next year.  With this masterful stroke, it appears that the Royals have taken
> an early lead, but I'm sure the competition will continue to be fierce.
> 

   The Angels boldly announced that they will in fact counter KC's attempt
  to corner the market on poor players by signing the one (and luckily) and
  only Tory Lovuollo (sp?).  He's played with both Det and NYY over the past
  couple of years.
   KC - your move....

  Mark Pede
From: v_siede@pavo.concordia.ca (KALDIS,BILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: First in the expansion draft: contest
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:39:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov9.124225.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes...
> 
>	A simple contest (no prizes this time): 
> 
>Who will be the first player taken in the expansion draft?
> 

David Nied, pitcher - Atlanta Braves


Bill Kaldis
Concordia University

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From: C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: RE:  Red Sox and the Draft
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:52:26 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

> Platoon him against lefties, and you can improve those numbers.

>Wedge should be quite happy in Colorado.  And whoever predicted that
>Girardi will be the starting catcher for the Rockies is simply not
>paying attention.

>-Valentine

I think you underestimate the moronity (?is this a word?) of the Rockies...

Anyway, in all seriouness, they want to play Girardi every day to "Help their 
young pitchers..."

I would look for Wedge to back up, or possibly start in a year or so...

Rob
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Subject: Rico Brogna is a Mattingly-type player (was Re: Brewers in 93?)
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:44:21 MST
 <1992Nov15.030429.7588@netcom.com> <1992Nov16.161300.11787@cs.cornell.edu>
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Nov16.161300.11787@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> 1992.  Deer and Tettleton are 32 next season.  Phillips is 34.
> Whitaker and Trammell will be 35 and 36.  Fielder is on the wrong side
> of 27.  Only Fryman is young enough to expect improvement...  And
> sooner or later the rest of the offense will collapse.  They need some
> kids (and Brogna doesn't qualify, unless he learns how to hit).

On ESPN Radio last night, I heard Peter Gammons (in a discussion of the
expansion draft) refer to Brogna as a "Mattingly-like" player.
 
My opinion of Peter has skyrocketed.  Talk about right evaluation for the
wrong reasons!  Furrfu....
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: creative managing
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:42:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <BxtI46.9u5@deshaw.com> baseggio@deshaw.com (Franco Baseggio) writes:
>What about a lefty-righty reliever combo where they can both play
>left-field?  Has a pitcher ever been moved to a non-pitching position
>and then back again?  
>
>Franco
>
>
>

It's been done.  I think with Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell in the 16th
inning of a game in which  all of the pitchers were used up.  There was some
controversy in which the pitcher wasn't allowed to get warm ups or
something.  There is also a rather obscure and ambiguous rule that says the
pitcher may not move to a second position more than once in an inning.

JLee

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Concluding your Expansion Draft Updates,     
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Subject: Re: Jose Lind to the Royals for prospects - WHY?
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:17:33 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: na
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


Rany writes about the Royals.

Local news says that Miller maybe moved to 3rd.  KC doesn't
want to lose his offense or base running.  Herk and Carter
went out to lunch yesterday and "talked".  On top of all this,
the Royals are supposedly talking to Ozzie Smith.  
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Post-Draft Thoughts (was:Reaction to Rockies Draft)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:48:55 GMT

In article <BxzqAn.45p@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>>
>>>2b	Bret Barberie
>>
>>A steal!  Quality leadoff hitter, even if he only hits .230.  He even
>>has decent speed.
>
>It is, as they say, to laugh.
>Being a Blue Jays fan, I've always said the same about Devon White batting
>leadoff. But nobody ever listened to me. In fact, I'd get toasted
>regularly for it. Now, strangely enough, here's somebody saying that a
>quality leadoff hitter can hit .230.
>
>As it so happens, I agree. 

There *is*, however, a big difference between Barberie and White.
Barberie walked 47 times last year.  White walked 47 times last year.
How can I say this is a difference?  Because Barberie had less than
*half* the number of AB that White did!

For a leadoff hitter, a walk is as valuable as a single.  The goal is
simply to get on base.  You don't get style points.  And Barberie ran
an OBP *fifty* points higher than White last year.

That is why White sucks as a leadoff hitter, while Barberie might be
decent.  (Though actually, he needs to raise that BA and OBP twenty or
thirty points to be considered at all good.  But *I* think Barberie can
hit .250.)

-Valentine
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:02:07 -0500 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Justice

Why are the Braves so eager to unload Dave Justice?  He is only 27,
still a couple years from free agency and the Braves best hitter.  They
do have an outfield squeeze, but unload Nixon, Sanders or even Gant
before Justice.

I wonder what it would take for the Pirates go get Justice?  I don't
think the Pirates really have anything the Braves want.  Maybe they will
unload Keith Mitchell.  The Pirates were interested in Mitchell during
the Bonds trade talks.  The Braves are making a mistake with their
outfield.  Nixon should be out like yesterday's trash, yet they are
committed to playing him.  It is frustrating to know that Mitchell and
Justice are available, but the Pirates or (insert your favorite team)
are not biting.  The Braves will one day play Mitchell and be thankful
everyone else was too dumb to trade for him.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: Jose Lind to the Royals for prospects - WHY?
Organization: Pitzer College
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.081733@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:

>Local news says that Miller maybe moved to 3rd.  KC doesn't
>want to lose his offense or base running.  Herk and Carter
>went out to lunch yesterday and "talked".  On top of all this,
>the Royals are supposedly talking to Ozzie Smith.  

Where does Jeffries go in this equation then?  If he goes to the OF, who is 
bumped?  This seemed possible to me before (oh am I glad I traded Jeffries 
off my fantasy roster!), but do we have further details?

--Sparky
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Steve Howe
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:37:34 GMT

In article <92323.121833RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>why should baseball care whether he's a drug addict or not? if convicted
>of some crime, drug related or not, he should serve whatever sentence
>the judge sees fit, and then become a free agent.
>

Personally I care because it sends a bad message and sets a real bad precedent
every time he gets a new chance. I don't like what it says to our children.
I don't like the fact that the next problem case that comes around will have
to receive the same treatment. What does this say to Otis Nixon?

Finally, it is real annoying to see baseball give Howe his 8th chance, when
Pete Rose is still ineligible for the hall of fame. The logic of baseball
always evades me.

--Les


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: Jays/Angels trade rumor - 3 for Abott
Summary: Rumor of trade between Jays and Angels
Keywords: jays, angels, trade, abbott, abott
Organization: Pitzer College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.172212.26142@nstn.ns.ca> maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern) writes:
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:22:12 GMT
>In today's Toronto Globe and Mail the rumor is that the Jays have
>arrived at a trade with the Angels for Jim Abbott.   The Jays will
>give up:
>    Todd Stottlemeyer
>    Randy Knorr
>    Domingo Martinez
>
I have operated thus far under the assumption that a trade of Abbott means 
the Angels have given up on trying to sign him.  Having heard no such thing 
out here leads me to believe this is someone blowing smoke.  That now gives 
the Angels two former Jay catchers, and further buries John Orton.  No 
loss.  Martinez is costless for the Jays, but means the Angels have also 
given up on Lee Stevens.  That's possible.

In short, Angels are writing off three players for no one special.  IMHO 
this ain't happenin'.

Sparky

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Commentary--Rounds2&3, Expansion Draft
Organization: NSSL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:37:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.181201.5623@cs.tulane.edu> eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu writes:
>In article <vklqpw=@lynx.unm.edu>, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes...
>>In article <1992Nov18.023522.143768@zeus.calpoly.edu> jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>
>>> 6) Pedro Castellano, 3B, Chicago (N)     6) Ryan Bowen, RHP, Houston
>>Boy, does this make the Hibbard deal look stupid.  Who's at third in the minors
>>now?  One thing, though...Houston was even more stupid not to protect this guy.
>>That Marlin pitching staff is legitimate.  Of course, when you draft 21 
>>pitchers, that'll happen...
>
>	I wondered about that.  Do the Cubs really realize that they need to
>field a 3b to play?  Since I didn't hear much about Castellano earlier this
>year (when the Cubs struggled for any 3b) I don't suppose he is very good.
>However, I wouln't feel very secure if my 3b situation consisted of Buechele
>and some single A people.

I think the Castellano and Scott departures can help us all understand a 
tragic error that has resulted from some confusion in the Cubs front office.
Back when the Cubs opposed the Vincent's realignment plan, we all assumed
they were protesting the division in which their team played.  The truth
has now come out.  They had hatched a bold plan to play without their 
westernmost infielder (third base) and misunderstood the Commissioner's
decision as a reactionary move to force them to use a third baseman when
they were planning to eliminate the position from their organization as 
a cost-cutting measure.

:-)  

Harold
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Maduux gone, Cubs alive?
Keywords: Cubs, Maddux
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:57:27 GMT

In article <guest.722456577@sili.isgs.uiuc.edu> guest@sili (Rockin' Robyn) writes:
>     GM Larry Himes haeld a press conference at Wrigley Field yesterday to
>announce he will no longer actively pursue free-agent CY YOUNG Award winner
>Greg Maddux, and will use the freed up money to fill in the rotation with
>one or two other free agent pitchers.  Refusing to name names, speculation
>revolves around former Twin/Pirate lefty John Smiley, former Pirate Doug
>Drabek, and former Brewer Chris Bosio.  

Which is why the Cubs deserve to finish behind the Marlins next year.
>
>     My two cents worth:  Maddux had a terrific 1992, and an ERA of 2.18
>will be tough to duplicate by Maddux himself, let alone someone coming in
>to a new environment.  

Except that he posted that 2.18 in Wrigley.  With the Cubs' defense.  He could
take that to the Astrodome or Dodger Stadium and have a 1.70 ERA.

>Tradition holds Cy Young winners experience a %27
>drop in effectiveness the year after winning the award, and tradition also
>holds players tend to experience a loss of production following the signing
>of a lucrative multi-year contract (admittedly, with some noteable exceptions).

Part of that tradition is because mediots give Cy Young awards to people like
Steve Stone and Bob Welch.  The other part is that nobody repeats seasons like
Guidry's 1978.

What the hell is this 27% anyway?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR! Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:30:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.192712.29612@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu
(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.162404.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
writes:
>>In article <1992Nov23.150609.15256@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu
(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>> 
>>> Sure.  In general, the team which receives the best player wins the
>>> deal.  Baerga is clearly more valuable than either Borders or Gruber.
>>> And Sandy Alomar ain't too bad himself.
>>> 
>>> The Indians would be idiots to trade a *young* *superstar* for two 30
>>> year old players who never amounted to particularly much even in their
>>> prime.
>>
>>Bob Uecker "never amounted to paticularly much".........
>>An AL MVP and a WS MVP add up to a little more !!!!!
>
>Neither Borders nor Gruber has ever won the AL MVP award.
>
>Yes, Borders was the WS MVP.  So what?  Didn't Billy Hatcher win
>something like that just a couple years ago?  I certainly don't want
>him on my team!
>
>Borders and Gruber at their peaks were above-average players.  Gruber
>was even among the top three at his position for a couple years.  But
>that is history.  Borders is now average, and Gruber is mediocre.
>Trading Baerga for the pair would be a ridiculous giveaway.  Kind of
>like trading a two-year-old BMW for a Chevy and a rusty Jeep.
>
>-Valentine
>
	In fact, I doubt if the tribe would trade Baerga straight up for Roberto
Alomar.  Baerga is the cornerstone of that franscise, and by 1994 in their new
stadium they should be dangerous (If they can find another pitcher)

Bill

Organization: Junior, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:10:29 -0500 
From: "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Robin Yount Rookie cards

 I have three Robin Yount rookie cards available; all are in excellent
condition.  Last i looked they were worth about $160 a piece. 
Considering that he just got 3000 hits this season and is a shoe in for
the hall of fame these cards have great potential.  Make me an offer,
but please only if you are serious.  I do not have to sell these so I
will not be discounting.

Carl Lovejoy
412-521-1388
cl3d@andrew.cmu.edu
E-mail is best
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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Draft Conspiracy Theory
Keywords: draft, Marlins, Rockies, Dodgers, Cubs
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:33:19 GMT

aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:

>This is silly, but...

>	Is it possible that the Marlins and the Rockies made some effort
>to really hurt a few teams by their picks.  From comments on the net, I 
>gather that the Dodgers now have no 2nd basemen and the Cubs now have no
>3rd basemen.  So, maybe the Marlins are figuring, "Wipe out the Cubs ...
>that's one less rival for 6th place."

Didn't the Rockies pick Jody Reed and trade him to LA?

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
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