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From: flier@excalsys.excalsys.com (Rich Reynolds)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:13:38 MDT
Organization: Excalibur Systems, Inc.
Reply-To: flier@excalsys.excalsys.com (Rich Reynolds)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <mattm-041192111017@mcmelmon.apple.com> (soc.motss), mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.163951.302@craycos.com>, mush@craycos.com (Randy
> Murrish) wrote:
> 
> > I know I should stay and fight CFV on their home turf, but I am tired
> > of the fight and am seriously considering moving to a more progressive
> > state.  The people of Colorado have demonstrated with this vote that
> > they do not appreciate my contribution to their society.
> 
> I think you should leave, and encourage other homosexual professionals
> to do the same.  Move to Oregon.  It's a beautiful state, much like
> Colorado for it's natural wonders, it has a strong high technology
> sector, AND - assuming the OCA carries through with it's threat -
> a few more votes against them wouldn't hurt.  
> 
> *X*
> (besides, Oregonians don't hate Coloradians as much as they do
> Californians...)
> 
And what do you propose doing when the bigots get the same amendment
before the voters in Oregon next time around.  Just leaving is what
they want.  They would be more than glad to push us back into the
sea!!!

As for me....

I am still proud to be a Coloradan.....

I think that the CFV shitheads pulled one over on a lot of people.
Many good people voted "YES" thinking that they were voting for
equal rights!  This is the problem with an electorate that isn't
paying attention to the wording.

As for me, I am going to stay and fight.  The City of Denver is
going to fight this in court and the other cities with similar
ordinaces are probably going to join the suit.  Running is not
the answer!

>>>>>>>>> flier@excalsys.com <<<<<<<<<
From: sds@cs.utexas.edu (Sara Strandtman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clinton's Address??
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:36:53 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaches.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: clinton motss politics

In article <Bx9CK3.Cx7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:
>A lot of people on motss have been talking about writing President-Elect
>Clinton...  Could somebody please post an
>address? 

I thought a suggestion I received to email the Clinton/Gore campaign was a
good one.  The address is:  75300.3115@compuserve.com
The response I received from them follows:

From: Clinton/Gore Campaign <75300.3115@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:sds@cs.utexas.edu" <sds@cs.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 in Colorado
Message-Id: <921105035305_75300.3115_CHE56-22@CompuServe.COM>
Status: ORr

Sara,

Thank you for posting the information on the problems facing the Gay and
Lesbian community.  The President-Elect has taken strong positions on
these matters in the past and I expect he will continue to do so in the
future.

Regards,
Jock Gill
Clinton/Gore Campaign
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll be following up to them on studies concerning gay youth/suicide
and a request for Clinton or Gore to speak, very visibly, at the MOW.

Sara

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Moonshine, the election, and you
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:48:21 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Nov5.011931.11510@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>What's up with this term limit stuff - how come people didn't campaign
>against it? Do all the career politicians assume the courts will turn
>the laws over?

From what I'm reading, yes.  There's an expectation that the Supreme Court
will rule no state law can limit any Federal officeholder, and any attempt
to do so will be found unconstitutional.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Subject: Clinton's Address??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:24:01 GMT
Keywords: clinton motss politics

A lot of people on motss have been talking about writing President-Elect
Clinton to remind him what he promised us.  This is a great idea; the only way
to make our demands heard is to prove that we are a significant force in the
electorate.  Unfortunately I don't have a mailing address for Clinton, and I'm
sure there are other people who need it too.  Could somebody please post an
address?  (NOT 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. - yet :)

Thanks a lot
MTC
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Apple's Stand on CO:2
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:20:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Note:  The following is taken from an internal memo sent to
the Lambda Mailing list (Apple's glb organization).  This is
*not* an official statement from Apple:


   All Apple employess should be aware that Apple Computer, 
   Inc., took a strong public stand against Measure 2 in Colorado.  
   This included a letter to the governor that was later, with Apple's 
   permission, used as a "No On 2" political ad in the newspapers.  
   As a consequence, Apple's PR department has received dozens of 
   hysterical calls from people vowing to "never buy a computer from
   your perverted company again."
 
   PLEASE thank Apple Computer for taking a stand.  Contact Dave 
   Barram, Santiago Rodriguez, and Apple PR.  Have your friends 
   outside Apple - particularly those in Colorado - do the same.


The "never buy a computer from your perverted company again" is
very significant.  The homosexual community is not the only group
capable of launching into fits boycott indignation.

*X*
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congratulations!!
Keywords: US election
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:16:44 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Patrick Raffin's .sig:

>  __       Just a French tourist,
>  \/       doesn't speak English, nor Unix

Ce n'est pas grave.  Ils sont presque la meme chose.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:03:12 GMT

jc> Jon Cornick
gs> Gary Strand

gs> Quite frankly, I'm irritated and ashamed that his personal tragedy can be
    so cavalierly exploited for potential political gain. Aren't there better
    arguments available besides this one? It's cheap and tawdry, and hardly
    respectful of the man.

jc> This is a sad commentary on the value of a dying mans final words.  When 
    will we learn to respect the value of life.

  Your point? A very troubled man commits suicide and blames it on CFV and the
  passage of #2. Note that he attempted suicide 4 months before, so it wasn't
  like his life was perfectly ok but #2 suddenly changed all that. However,
  some people have seen fit to use this man's suicide in a coldly exploitative
  way to get their wish, namely, repeal of #2. It takes a very low ethical
  belief system to do something like this. It's sad and pathetic.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: CO2 and the military ban
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:47:35

In article <thaaang.721551625@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John
Dorrance) writes: 

   If Clinton lifts the ban, will CO2 make it unconstitutional
   in the state of Colorado for the ban to be lifted?

Nope.  CO:2 has no effect at the federal level, so the armed forces
are unaffected.  Even if it did affect the armed forces, lifting a ban
on homosexuals is not the same as enacting anti-discrimination
legislation (which is what CO:2 prohibits the state of Colorado, and
municipalities therein, from doing).

- Bob
From: exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado tactics
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:48:23 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Nov10.001511.23664@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	4) Who is Judge Hampton - why is he important to knowing about
>gay rights?

Just in case this hasn't made it out yet - Judge Hampton was defeated
in his latest judicial election bid.  The opposition (Barbara
Rosenberg (D)) made some use in her advertisements of the fact that
Hampton was censured for his remarks concerning his (lighter than
normal) sentencing of the killers of "a couple of queers".

I relished this defeat almost as much as I relished Clinton's victory
(i.e. a *lot*).

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From: sds@cs.utexas.edu (Sara Strandtman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: News From the Front -- Boulder
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:27:10 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaches.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: fund/consciousness raising

In article <1dc98gINN2er@marvin.solbourne.com> misek@solbourne.com (Steve Misek) writes:
> ...
>It was rumoured that the campus organization has designed a T-shirt that has
>	"Don't shoot, I'm actually a Black Bear"
>printed over a large pink triangle (In reference to the black bear protection
>ordinance which overwhelmingly passed in Tuesday's election #10)...  Now that
>black bears have more rights than we do...

Steve, thanks for your post, and welcome to motss.  Your experiences at
Solbourne are heartening.  Regarding the T-shirt--it struck me as a great
way to raise funds, and perhaps some consciousness, if such a T-shirt
(that also included brief text explaining its meaning, i.e. bear protection,
gay/bisexual discrimination) were marketed across the country.  I remember the
soc.motss T-shirt from years ago selling well just within this group.
I would certainly get the word out to the community in Austin, TX.
No doubt many other motss readers would agree to do the same in their
sphere of influence.
I think lots of people would support a project like this whose proceeds
benefitted legal challenges to #2.  If you have a contact for an already
existing shirt, I'd also be willing to do some brainstorming with them
to coordinate with appropriate agencies in CO.

Sara



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: excited@med.unc.edu (Wally German)
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:26:33 GMT

>Keep in mind that the favorable climate that allowed such diseased groups 
>as the OCA to grow may have begun to dissipate with yesterday's election. 
>Perhaps I'm putting too much faith in this movement away from the Republican 
>leadership but I feel more optimistic this morning than I have for a very, very 
>long time. I hold out hope that in 4 years, amendments and propositions such 
>as this will appear as absurd and repugnant to population at large as they 
>do to us.


NOT!

This group is largely funded by inidividuals who will literally stop at
nothing to see that their agenda is passed!  We can't afford one second of
time to lapse before we begin to educate and reduce the numbers of voters
who will go to the polls in 1994 ready to vote Yes!

It's easy to see where the attitude comes from.  We've all grown up in the
United States and for the most part have watched injustices righted
one-by-one.  It's almost unthinkable to us that our injustice won't also
be righted. 

The sad truth, to these forces of evil we are the devil hirself!  My
advice is to get out today teaching other people who, what, why, and how
we are as people.  I believe it's in our best interests to remember that
we possess huge amounts of discretionary spending and to use this fact in
our 'negotiations' with businesses to promote a No vote in 1994.

I applaud the efforts of everyone who worked diligently to get this
measure voted down in Oregon but warn them and others that the fight has
only just begun!


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:20:54 GMT

In article <2afe6c75@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
>[Sarver] trailed his coat and it got stood on.

That was no coat, that was the train of his gown.  But he was absolutely
convinced that it was a leather jacket.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 04:47:43 GMT

As to Coors advertising in the Advocate - boycott the Advocate until
they pull their Coors ads.
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: voting
Keywords: Perot's new verb: to landslide
Date: 3 Nov 92 18:39:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: umd5.16793
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


When I woke up this morning, the sun had decided
to show itself for the first time in five days;
autumn has definitely settled in [although
today is unseasonable warm] and the red maple
outside my bedroom window is flaming its heart
out; and my significant bear was at my side
[mostly].

In other words, here in College Park, it looks
like a beautiful day for a Bush defeat.

I voted late morning, just before the lunch
rush.  Voting always seems to give me a charge
of patriotism; it excites me no end to go to
the polls and see all the people older than I,
younger than I, or of different colors or
abilities, all making their way to play their
part.  I reflected a bit on the fact that my
polling place was a church basement.

I can't help hoping that they do the right
thing, though [meaning, of course, what *I*
would do].  I wonder what they are all thinking?
Most looked serene, even a bit excited and
festive.   [Which makes me wonder whether the
faces of some voters in Oregon or Colorado show
their hate, or whether they, too, could look
serene.]

I'm told than an aunt of mine, who is 80, is
registered and voting for only the second time
in her life.  That gives me hope.

I can report that the turn out at my polling
place is the highest that I've ever seen.

[I can also report that the child who *screamed*
 at my back for the entire half hour I was
 waiting had *nothing* to do with the way I
 voted on Proposition 6, Maryland's abortion
 referendum.]

In all, it feels like a significant day.

--jns
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:08:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.175025.13121@reed.edu>, on 2 Nov 92 17:50:25 GMT,
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov2.142726.25263@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>I don't think this group has ever had so many supposed gay posters
>>who were more energy draining.

Hey Boobus Donkeyhump, what do you expect when you expend all your
mental energy in figuring out how to modify my attribution line?
You'll get absolutely no sympathy from this quarter.

>hmm, for some reason I don't find Jack B. Nimble very energy draining.
>
And the lack of intelligent dialog from your quarter clearly shows
that you expend little energy in your posts. Tell us something new.

>He's just amusing. If nothing else, look at the guy's name - why
>bother to take him seriously? But I'm honestly having fun with his
>stupid "logic" arguments. I guess even I enjoy a good flame every once
>in awhile..
>
You wouldn't know anything about logic, Minar, if it came down and bit
you in the butt. We've already demonstrated that in previous posts.

I enjoy a good flame now and then also. There aren't too many forums
like Usenet where you can let it all go with impunity. Quite refreshing!

>I promise to be better in the future.

Pish tush! It's rather bad form to make promises that you are incapable
of keeping.

>nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of
                          the time

        =Jack=
---

Jack B. Newsbaum             And I will get back even as he gloats.
Library Information Systems  In the meantime I'll practice on
University Research Library  less honorable throats
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: CO-2 Ammendment
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:46:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.230534.13661@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <BxB56w.6Kx@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike
>Drayton) writes:

>>Clayton Cramer (cramer@optilink.UUCP) wrote:
>>> The Physician Assisted Death Initiative failed.  Term limits for Congressmen
>>> passed.  If only we could have combined the two... two terms, and a doctor
>>> does lethal injection...

>>What a guy!  Give 'im a hand, folks!

>Hey, can we elect Cramer to both his terms at once?


I thought Claytons comment was brilliant Jess, unlike yours
which is merely smug.

If only the heterosexuals in our society would stop trying to legislate
queers into second class citizenship, or demonise queers as outsiders,
the leftist agitators wouldn't be able to sucker queers into thinking
they have any remedys for the social ills of our world.

LUX ./. owen

-- 
Do What thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Love is the law , Love under will.

Every Man and every Woman is a star.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Reply-To: dise@oregon.uoregon.edu
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:20:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.040108.14412@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald  
Andrew Agarrat) writes:
> Seriously, what were the experiences that led you to being a  
> Republican?

Both my partner and I are registered republicans because the only way to  
defeat their evil ways is to infiltrate and corrupt from within.  The GOP is  
too big to push off a cliff somewhere, so we've decided to use our influence  
to make the GOP a little more moral.  (e.g. cause them to think about more  
than the white land-owning protestants.)

Since the Oregon republican party is already in the midst of a crisis, every  
influence to the left will be better for it, in the long-run.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: allen@serval.csc.wsu.edu (Jonny Allen)
Subject: Re: Colorado aftermath
Reply-To: allen@serval.csc.wsu.edu (Jonny Allen)
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:30:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.170822.1296@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
|> 
|> 	(The list of states that have expressed interest in being the
|> next Colorado so far are Florida, Ohio, Missouri, Idaho, Utah
|> and Arizona... had the OCA won they were targeting Montana and Washington 
|> next.)
 
I lifted the following article from the editorial page of the Spokesman-Review
(Spokane WA). It ran on election morning.

__________

STORM RISING IN IDAHO OVER HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS

Idahoans have worked doggedly to erase the hatred that splashes over from the
region's neo-Nazi racists and replace it with open-minded tolerance of those
who are different from ourselves.

Incidents like the tragic Randy Weaver standoff can tend to cast Nort Idaho
in a distorted light, nationally. But the truth is apparent to people in the
Northwest: Idaho, particularly North Idaho, has become a gutsy champion for
human rights. People who have given time and energy to this cause have
learned the power of education and of a positive agenda to offset an agenda
of hate.

Well, the troops had better rest up, because another campaign is brewing over
human rights in the Gem State.

Homosexuals, not racial or religious minorities, would be the target this time.

A one-time organizer of Oregon's controversial anti-gay initiative, Kelly 
Walton, moved to southern Idaho last year. Recently, he suggested that it
would be a cakewalk to gather the 33,000 signatures needed to put a similar
anti-gay constitutional amendment on the 1994 ballot in Idaho.

We think Walton could go to a whole lot of work only to learn that a majority
of people in Idaho believe in "live and let live."

The people of Oregon are voting on Measure 9 today. The measure directs 
governments to discourage homosexuality and it defines the practive as
"abnormal, wrong, unnatural and perverse." The effects of the amendment, if 
it should pass, are unclear. Gay and lesbian teachers might be pulled from 
public schools. Discrimination against gays would be legal.

Walton's interest in a similar effort in Idaho apparently has been sparked
by legislation the American Civil Liberties Union wants to introduce in
Boise next year. The ACLU hopes the state will protect homosexuals from
discrimination in the job market and in housing. Also, the ACLU would include
gays under coverage of the malicious harassment law and repeal the state's
law against sodomy.

These are not the most redical ideas being debated today for and by 
homosexuals. Nor could they be considered free of debate, themselves.
No one should assume the ACLU will have an easy job pursuing this agenda
in Idaho's Legislature.

But the murmurings about an anti-gay initiative are troubling for a state
which has grappled for years with ideas of racism. We hope Idahoans will be
quick to reject this new message of intolerance.

---------- end of article

-jonny (all typos are mine.)