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From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Unix BBS Software FAQ with answers (partial) v0.1
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 12:10:53 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

news@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:

> This is the UNIX (TM) compatible BBS Frequently Asked Questions Answers.
> 
> (This is a partial posting of items written so far for commentary on
> format and usefullness.)

It looks good so far. I've got a couple of comments about things that should
be covered in the mini-reviews, which follow. As I'm currently trying to find
some decent unix bbs software that matches all my prejudices this is a very
timely idea.

Firstly, I was just wondering if you might want to make a noticeable division
between packages that are freely available in source form, and those that are
commercial software? Divide the program-by-program breakdowns into two
sections or something? I don't know, this isn't really a crucial thing, but
most people looking for software are usually fairly clear on whether they
want something free or are willing to pay money, and this is going to be one
of the first things they look at.

For each BBS program, it might be an idea to list the unix variants it's
claimed and/or known to run on. You may have already thought of this, and
it'll probably take a bit more research to get comprehensive info on this.

Finally, I think each system summary should mention whether the BBS runs in a
self-contained manner (using a "bbs" login id into the OS) or whether it can
run as a shell for a normal OS user account. For me personally this is an
important distinction (I want something that does the latter, and most but
not all seem to do the former) and would be quite useful to list.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
From: jim.wenzel@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (Jim Wenzel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Unix
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:01:00 GMT
Reply-To: jim.wenzel@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (Jim Wenzel)
Organization: The GrapeVine BBS *** N. Little Rock, AR *** (501) 753-8121



This has  probably been asked a  dozen times.. but.. I  have a question.
After reading messages here and elsewhere  I have decided to take a look
at Unix.

A couple of questions:

1: Is  there a public domain  or shareware Unix available  so that I may
   get my feet wet? (if so where?  BBS number if applicable)

2: I have heard about BSD/386 <sp> is this a good one? Is it commercial?
   if so any idea of cost?

Please respond Email to jim.wenzel@grapevine.lrk.ar.us

! Jim Wenzel,  SysOp, 5.6 gigs    !  Serving the BBS community in free spirit*
! The GrapeVine BBS, 501 753-8121 !  IBM, Amiga, Programming, and Adult Files*
! jim.wenzel@grapevine.lrk.ar.us  !  PGP  2.0 public key available by request*
* RIME, Use-Net, ForthNet, SmartNet, MediaNet, Intelec , RecoverNet, ThrobNet*

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.unixbbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs.uniboard
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Unix BBS Software FAQ with answers (partial) v0.1
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:41:01 GMT

In <1992Oct01.020738.5452@r-node.gts.org> marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:


>In article <1992Sep30.045453.8563@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
>>
>>Some BBS programs allow the individual BBS systems to share messages by
>>using a communications medium to exchange the messages via a standard
>>protocol which the BBSes understand.  Such systems are "networked"
>>BBSes.  There are several BBS Networks around the world. Among them are
>>FIDOnet, WWIVnet, RIMEnet, VNET and Usenet.
>>                                    ^^^^^^

>	Where is the Internet??  That is one of the major ones...
>and, by your definitions, the Internet is as much of a BBS network
>as Usenet is.
>	
>>From: news@wolves.durham.nc.us
>>Date: Mon Sep 28 23:00:00 EDT 1992
>>Subject: 3. What is Usenet?
>>
>>Usenet is a network message sharing system that exchanges messages in a
>>standard format.  Messages are arranged into topical categories called
>>newsgroups.  The messages contain plain text information (which may
>>include encoded binary information) and a series of headers that define
>>who the message came from, when the message was posted, where it was
>>posted, where it has passed, and other administrative information.
>>
>>Properly speaking, Usenet is defined as newsgroups in the major
>>categories of comp, misc, news, rec, sci, soc, and talk.  There are a
>>number of other major "hierarchies" which may be worldwide (alt, bionet,
>>vmsnet) or may be regional (usa, can, triangle) or even organizational
>>(duke, ut, sun).
>>
>>There is not enough room here to fully discuss the ins and outs of
>>Usenet.  There are several Usenet groups that are dedicated to
>>discussion of Usenet itself.  (news.* and alt.culture.usenet are
>>examples, the `*' refers to any newsgroup that begins its name with a
>>string of "news.")
>>

>	Wait a minute!!  Usenet is much more then just the newsgroups!!
>You are right, it is difficult to fully discuss the ins and outs of
>Usenet, but it is not *JUST* newsgroups!!  IMHO, Usenet was the
>predecessor for Internet, the main difference between the two
>is the fact that the Internet involves *DIRECT* system connections
>as opposed to going through a modem.  

I think your history may be just a bit off.  I believe that ARPAnet
was the predecessor for Internet.  Usenet is just one of several nets
which are included when one uses the phrase 'Internet'.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,comp.os.linux,alt.bbs.allsysop
From: arumble@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Rumble)
Subject: Re: Fidonet under UNIX? Please HELP!!!!
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:29:49 GMT

radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel) writes:

>I'd like to dedicate my system full-time to UNIX (specifically, Linux).
>I currently operate a board using FrontDoor and Renegade BBS software
>under Windows 3.1.

>I need the following:  * A good BBS package for Linux
>			 (XBBS, Pirate BBS, Mbox?)

I can't help you there as yet, but I think there is enough market now
for me to start on a RA/Ezycom style BBS system for Linux.
I think the best way would be to do something similar to the MBBS idea
where the low level libraries come in Binary only form, but the rest
of the BBS comes in source, to allow easy modification by the Sysop for
their own needs.. Also the Graphical BBS system I am working on
may be included in this..

>		       * A fidonet mailer
>			 (Binkleyterm, rfmail?)
Binkleyterm = Forget it..
rfmail - Aparantly someone has this compiled.. I had no hope of
getting it to work..

I have written an EMSI Mailer (Dial out only as yet) so that I can
pick up my mail packets from my host system, but as yet I have not
written a bundler/unbundler.. If anyone wants to, be my guest..

The EMSI mailer will be released when I get time to clean a few things up

>What I'd like specifically is for anyone with ANY EXPERIENCE RUNNING
>A FIDONET BBS UNDER UNIX to send me e-mail with as much detail as you
>can stand to include.  Anecdotes, stories, cautions, suggestions, etc.
>Note that whatever software you suggest must have freely available
>source so I can port it over to Linux.

I am currently running Linux Support OZ, which at the moment is
just a Public Access FIle Server for some linux files. And also
a private dial up Unix site for thoes who wish to do development etc..

I am hopeing to write a BBS for it including the Graphical Extensions
that I have been working on as well and release a semi-commercial
package sometime.. Interested contributers are welcome if they are
genuine..


-- 
Anthony Rumble
aka SmilieZ
"Anything is possible.. If there is enuf money in it"
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: FD & AKA.
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:51:44 GMT
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

krc@ecl.psu.edu writes:

>My friend and I are both using Frontdoor to XFer fido type message bases.
>My question is I requested a Fido node awhile back and should be getting
>that soon.  However we would both like to send a Local message base
>between our two BBS's.  Is it possible to have two nodelists so FD will
>find his number?  If not how would we go about doing this.  Thanks in
>advance..

Read the section of the docs about PVTLIST entries in your FDNODE.CTL.

-- 
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CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,comp.os.linux,alt.bbs.allsysop
From: kraus@rtsg.mot.com (David Kraus)
Subject: Re: Fidonet under UNIX? Please HELP!!!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Division
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:11:28 GMT

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:29:49 GMT, arumble@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Rumble) said:
> radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel) writes:

>>		       * A fidonet mailer
>>			 (Binkleyterm, rfmail?)
> Binkleyterm = Forget it..

Why?  The last version list I looked at (granted, this was about 6 months
ago) listed a BinkleyTerm port to UN*X.  I've been thinking of looking for
it, but haven't had the time.

I'm just wondering why you're dismissing it out of hand.  I know that the
code leaves something to be desired, but there's lots of that around.
--
Dave Kraus                                         Internet: kraus@rtsg.mot.com
Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group             FidoNet : 1:115/439.8
Disclaimer: My employer's views and my views may necessarily differ.
OBQuote: "Chicago is civilization?" - Me
From: pierre@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Fossils drivers under Windoows. was re:boards under windows
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:22:45 GMT

In article <8m7mRB1w165w@micromed.com>, donh@micromed.com (Don Hackler) writes:
> fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford) writes:
> 
>> 
>> I would like to hear from sysops who are operating boards within
>> the MS Windows environment.  What software are you using?  How
>> well does it behave?  Does it handle >9600 okay?  Can it run in
>> the background?
>> 
>> I currently use Opus with UFGATE in DESQview, but circumstances
>> may cause me to move to Windows.  Where ever you go, there you are.
>> -- 
>> Keith E. Ford     __
> 
> I'm running WAFFLE 1.65 on a couple of machines in a Windows 3.1
> Dos box.  My modems are locked at 19.2Kb. I'm not running
> any fossil drivers or doing anything special with the system.
> One system runs exclusively in the background, while the
> other system runs in the foreground, except when I'm doing something
> else on the machine ( it doesn't seem to make much difference ).
> 
> I'm considering running a second dos box on one of the machines
> to run a second copy of the BBS software.  
> I believe you can run a fossil driver along with Windows, but I haven;t
> tried it.  
> Don Hackler - shakala!donh@clubzen.fidonet.org
> 
> -- 
> donh@micromed.com (Don Hackler)
-- 

	yes you can because Telegard needs a fossil driver. I use X00 v.124



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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.unixbbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs.uniboard
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: Unix BBS Software FAQ with answers (partial) v0.1
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 02:07:38 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.045453.8563@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
>
>Some BBS programs allow the individual BBS systems to share messages by
>using a communications medium to exchange the messages via a standard
>protocol which the BBSes understand.  Such systems are "networked"
>BBSes.  There are several BBS Networks around the world. Among them are
>FIDOnet, WWIVnet, RIMEnet, VNET and Usenet.
>                                    ^^^^^^

	Where is the Internet??  That is one of the major ones...
and, by your definitions, the Internet is as much of a BBS network
as Usenet is.
	
>From: news@wolves.durham.nc.us
>Date: Mon Sep 28 23:00:00 EDT 1992
>Subject: 3. What is Usenet?
>
>Usenet is a network message sharing system that exchanges messages in a
>standard format.  Messages are arranged into topical categories called
>newsgroups.  The messages contain plain text information (which may
>include encoded binary information) and a series of headers that define
>who the message came from, when the message was posted, where it was
>posted, where it has passed, and other administrative information.
>
>Properly speaking, Usenet is defined as newsgroups in the major
>categories of comp, misc, news, rec, sci, soc, and talk.  There are a
>number of other major "hierarchies" which may be worldwide (alt, bionet,
>vmsnet) or may be regional (usa, can, triangle) or even organizational
>(duke, ut, sun).
>
>There is not enough room here to fully discuss the ins and outs of
>Usenet.  There are several Usenet groups that are dedicated to
>discussion of Usenet itself.  (news.* and alt.culture.usenet are
>examples, the `*' refers to any newsgroup that begins its name with a
>string of "news.")
>

	Wait a minute!!  Usenet is much more then just the newsgroups!!
You are right, it is difficult to fully discuss the ins and outs of
Usenet, but it is not *JUST* newsgroups!!  IMHO, Usenet was the
predecessor for Internet, the main difference between the two
is the fact that the Internet involves *DIRECT* system connections
as opposed to going through a modem.  Alot of things have changed
since the birth of Internet, but, in a lot of places, a Usenet site
gets its main connection from the Internet; Usenet sites archive
and distribute files, like Internet; Usenet sites distribute 
private email, like Internet; some Usenet sites even offer anon UUCP,
same as Internet's anon ftp; in fact, about the only main difference
*I* can really see between Usenet and the Internet is that Usenet
isn't as *FAST* due to the modems.

>	UnixBBS <---renamed to Uniboard since UnixBBS was too generic


My thoughts...

Marc

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: neta@iat.holonet.net (Gregory Giagnocavo)
Subject: IRIS Network Info
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:18:11 GMT
From: bs510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard E. Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Denver Freenet"
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:10:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A few weeks ago, I saw a note somewhere regarding a new Freenet
board going up in Denver ... anybody know anything about it??

Thanks!!

Rick
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: bbs list
Organization: Blue Moon
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:26:22 GMT

krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:

>Get a micro center catalog, There is a list of BBSs' in the back pages.

 The list is very incomplete, often wrong and slow to change. There
are much better lists for central Ohio and for everywhere else...
-- 
\   Grant DeLorean  - IHMSA & NRA Life Member -  (grant@bluemoon.use.com)   /

   Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.  -- Euripides
From: phillips@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu (Sue Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Apple // BBS
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:57:04 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
X-XXMessage-ID: <A6F259EAA201B99B@slip-55.ots.utexas.edu>
X-XXDate: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:56:26 GMT

I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any Apple //gs BBS systems
that are not written in AppleSoft???  If so please tell me...
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: ganesha@engin.umich.edu (khurt lef williams)
Subject: Windows BBSs in Michigan
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 10:09:02 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: comp.bbs.misc

D  I moved to Ann Arbor from New York only recently and my modem has been 
sitting idle.wq
~
~wq
~q

C
C
C
    Can anyone tell me of any good windows BBSs in Michigan.   
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: How do I Send to QueBBS Usenet News Articles from Cnews?
From: root@duncan (David John Murdoch at duncan)
Organization: Duncan Computer Centre and Home Brewery
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:30:36 GMT
Reply-To: djm@duncan.alt.ns.ca (David John Murdoch at duncan)


	Has anyone managed to do this? I've tried a variety
of methods including creating a file 'tobbs' in ../newsbin/batch that 
executes Qextpost from sendbatches.

If you have it working could you share the steps to success with me?

Thanks,

David


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From: sward+@CMU.EDU (David Reeve Sward)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: tradewars registration code.
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:26:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UenOqnO00Uh_A1Y4wE
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.bbs.misc: 2-Oct-92 Re: tradewars registration
.. by Dianne Rodriguez@irscscm 
>   The Castle RavenLoft BBS can be reached at (913) 832-2888,

The BBS also has 2 lines, both of which are V32bis.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu (Trevathon Ryder)
Subject: Datapac and DIAL OUTS
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:28:35 GMT


Two different questions:
 
      Anybdoy know of any INTERESTING services one can connect up to
using Datapac for free?
 
 
      Does anybody know of any dial out ports that are TELNETable.
 
 
  If you can help, please mail me at  tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: U26606@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS List - 612&507 area code?
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:02:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92277.200249U26606
 <1992Sep22.184651.1577@lub001.lamar.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I am moving to minnesota, and would like to know what BBS are available

in area codes 612 and 507.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Greg Swenson

U26606@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.unixbbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs.uniboard
From: vancleef@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Robert VanCleef--RCS)
Subject: Re: Unix BBS Software FAQ with answers (partial) v0.1
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.154101.3097@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|> In <1992Oct01.020738.5452@r-node.gts.org> marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
|> 

|> >In article <1992Sep30.045453.8563@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
|> >
	
|> >>From: news@wolves.durham.nc.us
|> >>Date: Mon Sep 28 23:00:00 EDT 1992
|> >>Subject: 3. What is Usenet?
|> >>
|> >>Usenet is a network message sharing system that exchanges messages in a
|> >>standard format....

This, IMHO, is about as clean a definition as you can get.

|> I think your history may be just a bit off.  I believe that ARPAnet
|> was the predecessor for Internet.  Usenet is just one of several nets
|> which are included when one uses the phrase 'Internet'.

Usenet evolved from news exchanges over UUCP prior to migrating to the
TCP/IP realm of the InterNet. Even today there are many non-InterNet
sites that are part of the Usenet realm.

Bob
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From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.unixbbs,alt.bbs.unixbbs.uniboard
Subject: Re: Unix BBS Software FAQ with answers (partial) v0.1
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:37:31 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: d5d9f3dc4278805d524008c1b0fbd5d3

In <BvK32L.DKs@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>In <1992Oct01.020738.5452@r-node.gts.org> marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
>>
>>In <1992Sep30.045453.8563@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
>>>
>>>Some BBS programs allow the individual BBS systems to share messages by
>>>using a communications medium to exchange the messages via a standard
>>>protocol which the BBSes understand.  Such systems are "networked"
>>>BBSes.  There are several BBS Networks around the world. Among them are
>>>FIDOnet, WWIVnet, RIMEnet, VNET and Usenet.
>>>                                    ^^^^^^
>>
>>	Where is the Internet??  That is one of the major ones...
>>and, by your definitions, the Internet is as much of a BBS network
>>as Usenet is.
>
>Correct.

No!  The Internet is a physical network, all the listed nets are soft
nets on top of a variety of physical nets.  They may have some
similarities to the Internet by being protocol defined, but they are
also limited to being exchange networks for BBS messages.  The Internet
is one hell of a lot more than a simple message exchange method. (For
example, rlogin and telnet are not provided on the listed networks, nor
is DNS or NTP or a host of other protocols that depend on "direct
connections.")

>Add to that also "AKCSNet", which is the systems which run AKCS.  They can
>share conference material (including attached files for download!) using
>their own interchange protocol, or can (through a filter) speak Usenet.

	Thank you for the clarification of AKCS capabilities.  However,
the list is exemplary, not exhaustive or exclusive.

				Wolfe
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,comp.dcom.modems