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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:51:59 GMT

 [ stuff deleted ]
 
>
>I'm fairly certain that the "poor driver" isn't as bad off as the poor
>cyclist, nor the poor cyclist's family.  I would also venture to say that,
>if the driver were executed, said driver wouldn't kill any more cyclists. 


alas and alack - too many times both sides of the sotry are not seen

>All sarcasm aside, I would prefer that we start training people to drive/ride
>well enough to avoid the *vast* majority of "accidents", even if this means
>removing the licenses from bluehairs, myopics, drunks, air-heads and repeat
>offendors.  If we don't revamp our approaches to licensing, training and 
>enforcement, the carnage will continue.  The driver who commits manslaughter
>should lose their vehicle license, at the very minimum.

This training MUST go both ways, as a person who used to ride, both bikes 
and motorcycles but, due to injuries can't anymore (no not caused while
riding, but as a passenger in a car) - I used to get scared when some
dope drivers would come too close to me on my motorcycle like they were
trying to run me off the road - I know my nephew (over 21) has drivers
driver real close to him while he's biking between home & school on 
narrow roadways with lousy shoulders, some call him names, throw things 
at him, spit at him, etc...there's no excuse for this, just as there's no 
excuse for bikers on the roadways to take up the entire lane riding 
4-6 abreast , just as there's no excuse for a young girl driving down a 
road to start fumbling for anything, that takes her eyes off the road, nor 
for the male/female that turns their head while talking and driving, nor for 
the pipe smoker out there in "pipeland", nor for the person putting on makeup, 
shaving, talking on the phone, reading anything, nor for gazing at the 
countryside while driving, etc.......
everyone out there, whether a driver, rider, pedestrian, etc MUST be trained 
on the rules of the road and courtesy - 
the words used to be defensive driving - 
these still work - don't do things behind the wheel, whether two-wheel, 
4-wheel, that take your mind and your concentration away from the road
and its surroundings

>Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
>DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
>Internet:steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu  UUCP:{?,gatech,uunet}!mcnc!bucolix!steve


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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:37:54 GMT

Darrell R. Davis (davis@adenosine.pharm.utah.edu) writes:

> The best way to learn to race, is to race.  New riders are usually
> scared shitless, sit on the back where its safe(r) and get dropped
> pretty soon.

In an early-season race recently I was sitting in at the back of the pack
(for nominal safety reasons, I claimed), and kept noticing a rider hanging
in twenty feet behind me. 30 miles later he was still there, so I asked him
what was up. He said he was new, and nervous about the pack. So he
time-trialed 20-30 feet back, nearly completely in the breeze. This guy
ought to have been time-trialing off the front.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: what does possible mean?
Summary: AASHTO guide on right (U.S.) lane widths for bicycles/motor vehicles
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:37:05 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <8842@alvin.mcnc.org>, ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.145249.3227@cbfsb.cb.att.com> weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
> >purposed of this subsection, a "substandard width lane" means a lane that is
> >too narrow for a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle and a vehicle to travel
> >safely side by side within the lane.
> 
> This law, and nearly identically worded ones have been quoted many times
> on the net.  Isn't there any kind of precedent or statement of how wide
> that is?  

The American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials
"Guide for the Development of Bicycle Facilities" (August 1991)* offers
the following considered opinions on pages 14 & 15: 

"... a right lane wider than 12 feet (3.7m) can better accommodate both
bicyclists and motor vehicles in the same lane and thus it is beneficial
to both bicyclists and motorists.  ...motorists will not need to change
lanes to pass a bicyclist."

The guide goes on to say:

"In general, a lane width of 14 feet (4.3m) of usable width is desired.
Usable width would normally be from curb face to lane stripe, or from edge
line to lane stripe, but adjustments need to be made for drainage grates,
parking, and longitudinal ridges between pavement and gutter sections.
Widths greater than 14 feet (4.3m) may encourage ... operation of two
motor vehicles in one lane [the dopes]..."

12 feet seems kind of narrow to me.  It may be because
I have been under the impression that 12 feet is some sort
of minimum lane width given by planners for years WITHOUT
regard to bicyclists needs.  Some quiet morning in the near
future, I plan to go out and measure
the lane width(s) at points along my commuting route.  This should
calibrate my gut reaction (which determines where I ride in
the lane) with measured lane width.

The AASHTO guide seems to be pretty good.  Especially encouraging
is the planners recognition that poorly designed roads, obstacles,
bike paths, etc. ENCOURAGE experienced cyclists to circumvent the
planners plans.  It also recognize that cyclists will do this
for efficiency, safety, or both.  The guide will
take only about an hour to read if you can borrow a copy.  If you want
to own a copy send $12 to:

*  AASHTO
444 N. Capitol Street, N.W.,
Suite 225
Washington, D.C. 20001

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA, gem@aloft.att.com
From: wulfie@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: XXX Schwinn (was Touring Bike Recommendations)
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:14:55 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Woah,
	I've been off the VAX for a while but I just saw a recommendation for
Schwinn touring bike.  I'm sure somebody must have recommended this already
but why not get a cannondale?  They are an excellent flex free load platform,
come with cantilever brakes and wil not corrode.  More importantly, I've seen 
some rather crummy workmanship on Schwinn mid range frames (price) tubes poorly
fitted, in fact one frame vbegan warping in all major tubes within a few months
 of when my brother bought it.  

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Matthew F. Wulfman     ||     "wulfie@ac.dal.ca"     ||     (902) 421-1094
5497 Victoria Rd. - Apt 4	Bicycling [& canoeing & hiking]:
Halifax, Nova Scotia		"Not just more miles per gallon
CANADA   B3H 1M6		     More life per mile"
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From: crayjohn@cc.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Biking in Nashville???????????
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:58:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr13.095844.1
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center

I may be moving from the mountains of Utah to the hills
of Tennesse.  I am used to riding everywhere in Salt
Lake City.  Does anyone know what the biking is like
in Nashville?  (Is there any biking in Nashville????)

Thanks,

Chris Johnson
University of Utah
internet: cjohnson@math.utah.edu
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: XC/USA:RESPONSE
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:42:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65544
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr14.152033.5433@rvgs.vak12ed.edu> jpalmier@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Jim Palmieri) writes:
>
[lots of good advice on a high-speed continent crossing deleted]
>
>TYPE OF TRIP/CAMPING OR MOTEL:  I believe that the easiest way
>to travel across the country is by being light.  The most
>valuable component that I took was a plastic credit card.  We
>stayed in motels along the way and never had trouble finding
>one.  Our cost was $15.31/person/night.  For me, a cheap cost
>for a place to sleep (bed), shower, telephone, and most
>important of all, an AIR CONDITIONER!!! After 10 hours on the
>road in the HOT sun, we did not want to even see light or even
>feel the sun (does not feel so nice on sun burned skin.  I also
>believe that camping may sound as if it should be cheaper but
>the cost all comes out the same.  If you camp, you have to buy
>equipment and even if you have it, you have to haul it.  You
>can not make as good time on the road and the trip may take you
>another week or longer.  The real expense is food.  You will
>save the cost of the motel but the overall cost will be about
>the same.  

My experience crossing the country one summer before grad school leads
me to argue for the camping route.  We spent slightly less that $4.50
per person per day on *all* expenses, including camping and food (and
including renting shop space for a mid-trip bike overhaul, but not
including the cost of tent and sleeping bag).  The trip took 9 weeks, but
that was because one of us was my (then) 53-year-old mom rather than 
because of the 2-3 lbs. our camping gear added to each bike.

We did it that way because we couldn't afford motels, but the extra contact
with locals that came with looking for a camp site each night added to the
experience tremendously.  I'd probably do it that way again. 
-- 
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Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Miller)
Subject: can't find touring shorts
Originator: smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:30:46 GMT


Does anyone know where I can find Cannondale touring shorts?  I haven't
seen them in years and my last pair is getting kind of old.
I would also appreciate getting information on other shorts that work as
well as the skin-tight shorts but don't look as funny as them.

Thank you

-- 
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Jeffrey H. Miller     smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov
Sverdrup Technology, NASA Lewis Research Center Group, Cleveland, Ohio


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From: u2417@sunc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider)
Subject: can someone please explain my 18 gears?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:37:37 GMT

I recently bought a Schwinn Mirada 18 speed mountain bike.
However, I don't understand the gears.  Could someone
please give a quick explanation (or point me to a FAQ)
regarding these?  I can't understand low and high...
But I can see which gears are large and small!

What I really want to know is, what is my (lowest?)
hardest to pedal gear?  The manufacturer suggests
not using the most extreme gears (smallest in front
and biggest in back or vice versa).  I believe
this since when I accidentally did it, my chain fell off.
Help!

- Mike

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From: u1155@jsp.umontreal.ca (Cholette Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: New Chain Help...
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:52:29 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Originator: u1155@spp3.jsp.umontreal.ca

Hello
        I just bought a new chain out of need, my old one litterally fell
apart! No pressure, no warning! My bike is equiped a-la Deore XT, the first
7 speed model, the chain I had was a 600EX (yes a road chain on a mountain 
bike. The thing lasted me for 1.5 years but had 5-6 "black pins".) 
 
        I have a few questions on which I would like your opinions, 
suggestions, experiences, and answers. My rides are mostly on dusty roads and 
trails. (very little, if any mud) I weigh 210lbs and regularly use muscle to 
get myself out of situations. I'll run any gear available (needed. Smoke 'em
if ya got 'em!) What I would like to know is what is the best way to lube a  
NEW CLEAN chain (HG-91), Pedros' (which I am using now), Finish Line, DuPont's 
Teflon stuff (if you can find it!), parafin, or anything else that you have 
used. Also does anybody know how to get that Shimano "grease" (more like Krazy 
Glue for God's sake!) off of the chain. Plus any other helpfull info (besides 
the fact that I should install a new rear cluster.)  
 
        Thank you in advance, Michael Bertrand. u1155@jsp.umontreal.ca
                Share the trails...
                  Peace on dirt!
From: dat91dkr@ludat.lth.se (Krznaric Drago)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB frames
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:15:43 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

I'd like some info on MTB-frames. I'm looking for a new bike and like to
assemble my own bike.

I'm going to buy the Shimano XTR gruppo, Answer A-tac stem, Specialized
Extreme Ground Control 2.5 tires, Onza bar ends.

And I'm looking at Litespeeds full suspension titanium frame (Cambria
Bicycle Outfitters $1900, no fork) and the San Andreas (Mountain Cycle
$ 1800 to $ 1950, with Suspenders II and Pro Stop disc brake).

Has any of you read a test on the San Andreas or any opinions, please
let me know.
Galen Whipple at Mountain Cycle, San Luis Opispo says a complete
San Andreas is quite heavy (28 lbs). 
Are the Pro-Stop disc brake and Shimano really Compatible ?
I think both demand their own hubs.

Any suggestions on what frame to buy (I prefer full suspension)?

Please E-mail dat91dkr@ludat.lth.se
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: WBA Wheels Builders Anonymous?
Keywords: WBA
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:09:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: samadams.tr.702846591
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

Yes, there is hope for you.  After fixing up enough road-damaged
wheels, you'll be cured of doing this for free.  I don't know what you
can do about your obscession with building new wheels.  The
satisfaction of building them doesn't seem to wear off.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:00:46 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

>jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson(sysadm)) writes,

> Roads were first built *FOR* bicycles.  We tolerate cars and motorcycles
> since many people can not or will not learn to use the apropriate vehicle

Funny.  Paved roads were first built at the insistence of the bicycling
lobby, and at public expense.  So cagers didn't invent the notion of getting
the public at large to subsidize their addiction, they just took what LAW
was doing and ran with it.  And now truckers are doing the same thing to them.
-- 
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Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Altitude & weather
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:28:05 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <11763@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> einart@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Einar Traa) writes:
>In the summer there is usually a thermal low pressure area east of the
>Cascades in Washington and Oregon. The pressure gradient will blast a 20-50
>knot wind through the Columbia Gorge (and attract thousands of windsurfers from

Being an avid Gorge sailor, the words pressure gradient are music to
my ears.

...and we even mountain bike on all the single track rides when the
wind doesn't blow.  There are a lot of great rides in the Gorge!

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Cheap helmets, gluing tire pieces, and cantilever brakes
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:27:25 GMT

Discount stores in this area are selling ANSI standard helmets for $25 or
so.  They probably aren't the most comfortable, but they do offer good
protection.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: sandy@duard.railnet.nshore.org (Sandy Kaplan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Sleeping Toes 
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:12:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Email-news node


In article <AD0834.92Apr8122912@eve.albany.edu> ad0834@csc.albany.edu writes:

  > 
  > I've never had this problem, but from what I've read the standard
  > solution is to loosen the laces in your shoes...
  > 
  > On a simillar but more embarrasing note, has anyone ever had certain
  > _other_ parts of their male anatomy below-the-waist fall asleep on
  > long rides?  This has always bothered me.... I have nice padded
  > cycling shorts and a gel seat, but still have this problem... anyone
  > else ever experienced this?
  > 
  > --
  > //Andy Dickinson///////ad0834@csc.albany.edu///////ad0834@albnyvms.bitnet//////  > ||||/++++271 Lark St. # 3++++++++++++++++++++------+++++++++++++++++++++++\||||  > ||||\+++++++Albany, NY 12210+++++++++++++++++++++++++++=======+++++++++=++/||||  > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\(518)426-7907\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\  >
From: pratt@binnacle.rutgers.edu (Lorien Y. Pratt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Commuting on a Bicycle
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:46:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu (David Choi) writes:

>   C
>	I think I remember hearing some people, a while back, talkingd{ about
>commuting to work on their bikes.  I commute to school, but it's not very
>far away from my apartment (about 3/4 of a mile).
>	I was wondering what those of you who commute several miles to work
>do about taking a shower?  I don't know about you all, but I sweat like crazy
>when I ride my bike (even a couple of miles).  Do your companies supply
>showering facilities?

I've been commuting most every day for a year now (3-6 miles each way,
depending on how I feel), and I just wanted to support another poster:
I sweat a lot, too, but I end up feeling very refreshed by:

  1) showering right before I leave home

  2) bringing a washcloth in a plastic bag with me.  I sponge down with
     that (using liquid soap in the restroom) and it does a very good
     job (actually it feel marvelous).  I believe that lots of people
     in other cultures rely on such ``sponge baths'' for daily cleaning
     (though their hair gets greasier); it's pretty effective.

  3) bringing a change of clothes (including underwear and socks) in my
     panniers.
  
I ride in the rain, too.  I just put my clothes and briefcase in plastic
shopping bags.  And now that I've resorted to my ski mittens, riding in the
cold isn't so bad either.

  --Lori
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From: ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Organization: UBC Electical Engineering
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:18:42 GMT

Well, I'm fortunate enough to have suffered only 1 'big' crash.
Went around a wet corner waaay to fast and wiped out...(bystanders were OOHing and AAhing)
Somehow, my clipless' released in the crash, so I don't worry about getting stuck anymore.
I think that if you have time to think and consciously try to release the pedals, it won't work
cause you're in semi-panic and you try to pull straight out. Normally, the chances of your foot going just straight out are probably pretty low....

I dunno, any body got any other crash stories with clipless'?

or maybe that's just me...(ever keeled over at a stop?)

Isaac Leung
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: na
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:24:28

In article <1992Apr9.022854.8661@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:

   Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Path: sarah!rpi!usc!wupost!uunet!psgrain!m2xenix!servio!marcs
   From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
   Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
   References: <AD0834.92Apr6114101@eve.albany.edu>
   Distribution: na
   Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:28:54 GMT
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   Andy Dickinson (ad0834@csc.albany.edu) writes:

   > 	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
   > question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
   > cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
   > least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
   > non-leather shoes?

   Is it okay to wear shoes made from the leather of critters that died of 
   natural causes?

       Marc San Soucie
       Portland, Oregon
       marcs@slc.com

Well... I would say that it is.  But it's kind of a moot question --
the animals used to make shoes do not die of natural causes.  For some
reason, I tend to think that animals that die of natural causes aren't
really used for anything...

Anyway.... there certainly aren't any biking shoes made out of leather
from cows that died naturally... oh well...


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From: moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:19:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr13.162415.2822@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>It's called "Speedplay"; the pedals look like robust lollipops.
>
>The stem screws into the crank arm; the sucker part has four grooves* which
>engage two sprung wires in an indentation which is part of the cleat.
>
>Has anyone tried them?
>

No, but it sounds just right for my panhead's kick starter.

 - Steve