From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Passing out Condoms (Was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:00:30 GMT
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Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <mjenkins.715369094@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>In <2364@unet.UUCP> stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
>
>>Very true Dave. It seems that all these anti-condom people either lead very
>>boring and sexually oppressed lifes in their teeny years or they have 
>>completely forgotten what it was like being a teen. Remember all those hormones
>>running amok inside your body, all those urges you didn't even know
>existed?
>
>Give me a break. I'm 23, I have lots of memories of my teenage years,
>which consisted of working part-time, going to school full-time (the
>adventure finally concludes this year), and dating occasionally. Sure,
>you get sexual urges. Doesn't mean you have to act upon them! I also
>get the urge to kill people (which is occuring more frequently as I
>read this group) but I don't go buy a gun and start shooting.
>
>Perhaps if teens were more constructive with their time, rather than
>just "hanging out" or "going to the mall" they would find better
>things to do than have sex.

I'm all for it Mike. What do you suggest?????

> Sex is not the be-all and end-all of human
>existance.
I never said it was---only that it happens.

>I lived a very happy life for 21 and a half years before I
>had sex. I still live a happy life. The only thing that has changed is
>that I now have a regular sex partner.

Then you obviously fall into the catergory I mentioned in my orginal post
which *you* deleted. It went something like this: x percent of teens will 
NEVER have sex because they believe it's a no-no.
>
>And for all the nonsense about "well, everyone is doing it"...its not
>true. Sure, *lots* of kids are having sex.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now we have something we seem to *completely* agree on. Once again going back
to my orginal post to yet another part *you* deleted. It went something like
this:It's the large percentage of teens that WILL have sex but perfer to do it
responsibly that this type of program is aimed at.

>But those who have chosen
>to wait are under *incredible* pressure because the "safe-sex"
>campaigns are stressing that "everyone is doing it." Thus, if you're
>not "doing it" you must be some kind of freak. 

I don't know what "safe-sex" campaigns you're talking about here. *ALL* of 
the ones I've seen *ALWAYS* say that the safest thing to do is to abstain but
if you are going to still have sex then at least take pre-cautions. Now don't
forget you've already admitted that *lots* of kids are having sex. Yes peer
pressure has always been there and was not/is not fair. I'm all for getting
rid of it. How do we do that Mike????
>
>Hate to tell you this, but my wife and I were *both* virgins when we
>got married. No, we didn't know everthing on our wedding night, but
>neither one of us was expecting to. This means, of course, that being
>abstinant until marriage, andnow married and monogamous, we are at NO
>risk for STDs. Its a wonderful life. You should encourage teens to try it.
>
I aboslutely encourage teens to abstain. Funny thing about alot of teens is
that they will do whatever they damn well feel like no matter how many 
reasons you give them not to.

>>protect. And don't give me this "just say no" b.s. With most teens you have
>>as much chance of "talking" them out of having sex as you do "talking" your
>>cat out of heat. 
>
>Why? Do you think teens actually *enjoy* having to constantly fret
>over whether they're pregnant, or just impregnated someone? Or whether
>they just got AIDS, or if they're gonna get caught by their parents?

No, I think teens *HATE* worrying about this stuff. I know I did. But a quick
glance at the stats of unwanted teen pregenicies shows that this stuff sure 
isn't working to stop them from having sex.

>As I said above, I never, ever had to worry about those things as a
>teen. Made my life much more stress free, and I could concentrate on
>more important things like getting an education.

That's funny, I had an active sex life as a teen and was still able to 
concentrate on important things like getting an education and maintaining my
scholarship and holding down a job. Guess what--no STDs or unwanted babies 
here. Of course I *always* praticed safe sex. Something you seem to want to 
make tougher for today's teens.
>
>And the cat analogy is just plain silly. The human sex drive is NOT the same
>as animals. If you are a slave to your sex drive in the same manner as
>a cat is, then I feel very, very sorry for you. Besides, you know what
>we do to cats in heat if they keep bothering us <snip, snip>.
>
I wasn't talking about comparing the two. Society has preached and preached
about abstaining, it just isn't working. That's where I came up with the cat
analogy. If you have an arguement that *WILL* keep teens from having sex then
I'll be glad to be one of the 1st to take it nation wide.

>>Stan Knight
>>|"What kind of society is it that allows you to buy plastic covers to protect|>>|your furniture but not your children?" ---Gilda Radner---                   |>
>What kind of society is it that equates the well-being of our children
>with an inanimate object like furniture?                  ^^^ ^^^^^^^^
>
>Michael

Now let's do a little math here. You were 21.5 when you started having sex.
You are now 23. Guess what Mike---you don't have any teens!  Where the HELL do 
you get this "our childern" bull shit. What your post means to me is that 
you're willing to risk my children not "our children".
Once again back to my orginal post which *you* deleted--I'm looking for
*ANYBODY* -WITH- teen children that is opposed to this type of program. I 
don't know why you are so worried about something that doesn't concern you in
the least Mike. 

Mike---you come up with a real solution to teen sex and I'll be the 1st one
down at MY CHILDREN's school to stop any condom hand outs.

Stan Knight
What kind of society is it that will allow children to die from AIDS while they
turn their backs on them?
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