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From: follick@jemez.eece.unm.edu (Jeremy Follick)
Subject: Dyson Sphere's (was Re: Relics (mistakes) ***SPOILERS***)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:03:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Bw2pA6.55p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jes44606@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Eric Small) writes:
>gambit@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Remy LeBeau) writes:
>
>>Also, why would you build a Dyson sphere out of neutronium?  It would
>>collapse under its own weight (unless you used some very large gravity
>>generators, which wouldn't justify the power cost!).
>
>Could someone verify the physics involved in this question?  I seem to 
>vaguely remember something from my intro. physics class about only the
>mass with the sphere adding to the experienced gravity on the sphere.
>Is this right or am I remembering something else.  In other words, the
>gravity experienced on the inner surface of the sphere would seem to be 
>zero unless you provided some "centrifugal" (sp?) force to simulate
>gravity (easily accomplished with such a sphere).  Physics majors?
>Thanks.

If you have a sperical shell of uniform density, the gravitational force
acting on any object inside the sphere will be zero. However, on a point
on the outside of the sphere, the mass of the entire shell (very big)
will gravitationally attract an object toward the center of the sphere.
The shell would have to be very strong to resist this pull.

OK. We see landscape on the inside surface of the sphere. What's holding it
down? There are several posibilities. It could be a bit of treknology,
Usajfhoiaeygbasdrbkjd Gravitational Generators, or the like. The sphere
could be rotated to provide centrifugal pseudo-gravity around the
equatorial region of the sphere. As another poster pointed out, this
would leave much of the sphere in a vacuum, not a problem IMHO. You
would still have an inhabitable region that is HUGE. Another possibility
would be to have a shell with asymmetrically non-uniform density. Consider
a uniform shell. On the inside surface, scatter some areas with rock a
few thousand miles thick. Instant gravity, but only in some regions.

BTW, if you assume a radius of 100 Million miles for the Dyson Sphere,
and 5000 miles for Earth, The surface area of the sphere, is about
1.6 Billion times as big as the surface of the Earth. If you have a 
galaxy of 100 billion stars, and you average one Earth size inhabitable
planet for each hundred stars (seems reasonable IMHO) then this Dyson
Sphere represents more than half of all the inhabitable surface area
in the galaxy. It's BIG.


Warning: Trying to rationalize treknology may be harmful to your mental
         health.
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*
* All opinions expressed above are my own and should in no way be considered
* the opinions or policies of the Federation Council or Starfleet Command.
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: question about scotty
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:19:24 EST

 -=> On 10-15-92  09:49, Macphil babbled to All saying: <=-

 Ma> Why, oh why did Scotty have to die that way?  Why couldn't
 Ma> some ensign take a dive on the phaser set on overload?
 Ma> (Kinda like they used to on TOS)

Very funny, Mister.  If this SHOULD be a spoiler I am GOING TO KILL YOU!


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From: SJOSEPHS@130.187.170.178 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON)
Subject: Question for Peter David (on sexual habits of crew)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:50:11 GMT
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Well, perhaps not on the crew's sexual habits, but an interesting question just
the same.
  
Yo Pete - how is it worked out what the characters in the books can
and cannot do?  I mean, the books follow the show, of course, but are there
limits placed on what the characters can do in the books?  Are you required to
stop at perminant damage and officially-unacknowledged trists between regulars?

Liked Imzadi by the way - the first time I ever found Luaxana anything but
irritating.

Steve
From: bzcy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
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Subject: Re: Re:OBrien's Rank-Solution?
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:35:01 EDT
Distribution: world,rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Oct7.001237.1814@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>,
homanme@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes: 
> 
> Okay try this.
> I am familiar with the military so I'll tell you what I know.
> 
> Miles O'Brien is referred to as chief.  There can only be one chief 
> on a ship, just like a naval vessel.  It is the highest ranking 
> enlisted rank possible (CPO).  He is is generally treated as an 
> equal (by experience) when around commissioned officers.
> 
> If he was considered an officer at any time, it could have been a 
> brevet (temporary so as to fit the circumstances) officer.
> He is called Chief O'Brien more than once.  
> For the record He is an NCO, not a non-com( means non-combatant).
> As far as the *musical pips* , a mistake in continuity. 
> The promotion talked about is a *position* promotion, not rank.
> He is going from Transporter chief to Chief Operations Officer.
> Warrant officer means that they have a warrant rather than a 
> commission. All warrant officer are addressed as *MISTER*.
> Never as sir, or by a rank. Mister is a title. slightly 
> different than Riker's use of Mister, which is actually rather
> derogatory to another officer.
> 
> 
> If anything, there are patterns to follow in present day navy.
> try going by that.
> 
      In the US navy, the rank of Chief Petty Officer is that of an
    NCO, analagous to that of Sergeant in the Army.  There can be more	
    than one CPO per boat, with the senior (in terms of experience) 
    being referred to as "Chief of the Boat."   I think there is such
    a rank as "Master Chief Petty Officer," which is roughly equivalent
    to Sergeant-Major.   All that aside, O'Brien clearly wears the rank
    insignia of a lieutenant in "The Wounded" (played on channel 68, Syracuse
    tonight) while being referred to repeatedly as "Chief O'Brien."  He's
    even married to Keiko in this episode.  So clearly wardrobe didn't get
    their act together until after the O'Brien character was written and
    appeared at least once as Miles O'Brien.


Dave Han, Cornell University
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From: howes@cat15.cs.wisc.edu (Glenn Howes)
Subject: Admiralty in MOP *minor spoiler*
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:26:09 GMT






























--
My trek world view has been shattered. There was an actual white, male
admiral in Man of the People who did not: become taken over by
space scorpians, plot to supply weapons to rebels, plot to kill rebels,
come on board with the intention of taking crewman's android daughter
in for study, order Data reassigned for dissassembly, or get 40 ships
destroyed in one big military operation. Of course, said admiral had
only about 5 lines of dialog, but what if this becomes a trend?




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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Relics Comment ... *SPOILERS*
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:05:49 GMT


Spoilers ahead ...

I just saw it, and forgive me if I repeat things that have been said before,
because I wasn't reading comments posted before because I didn't want to
see the spoilers ...

My big question was:  Why didn't Scotty look up McCoy?  I mean, we know
McCoy's alive.  Spock's presumably out of contact, but McCoy isn't.  And
while his despair at being "out-of-date" was pretty plausible, I wonder why
he didn't feel more confusion at being in a different century, and why he
didn't scramble frantically to find out what had happened to everyone he knew,
especially people like Kirk and McCoy.  The lack of concern for the fates of
his friends was, to me, very distracting.

On the plus side, I really liked the scene of him on the bridge of the old
Enterprise.  Neato mosquito.

Firestar
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From: stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu
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Subject: Reply about STVoyages...
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:22:12 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI


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From: stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu
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Subject: Re: STV is NOT ST5:TFF, but ST SCDOWNVoyages!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:17:17 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

In article <1687BF5C2.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu>, JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
>>        With this in mind, please read the aforementioned article, as it
>>contains great info about the upcoming Second Year of Star Trek Voyages.
>>
>>                                                        Thanks everyone,
>>                                                        James Queen.

> What is Star Trek Voyages and how does one get it?


	Thanks for asking!  As I said, we haven't had much interest.  Well,
here I go...

	Star Trek Voyages is a series of short stories produced by myself and
Marcus TaiLore.  Last year 25 "episodes" were written, but only five made it to
this net.  I intend to release the others on R.a.s.misc in the near future,
because there is only limited readership on alt.startrek.creative.
	The series is set in the mid to late twenty-third century, in the
nine years between St:Tmp and StII:Twok, and follows the adventures of the crew
of the USS Valiant.
	As Marcus mentioned, STV's second year begins this month, and
twenty-five more all new episodes are being written.  The series is basically a
written form of a Star Trek television series. (When we feel like bragging, we
call ourselves the Fourth Series.  After TOS, TNG, and DSN.)
	We'd like to assure you that the series is NOT a parody, flamage, or
complete ignorance of the Star Trek vision.  Our series is intelligent,
believable, futuristic adventure, just like TOS and TNG.  This series is a
serious addition to the ST universe.

	Thanks for your attention,  please let us know what you think...

							Sincere,
							James Queen.
							Marcus TaiLore.
From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
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Subject: Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:45:22 GMT
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <34740006@hpmwga.sr.hp.com>, scottdl@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Scott LaFrancois) writes:
>  Actually he is eligable if he is a naturalized citizen, meaning he has
>  lived in the US for at least fourteen years.

Unless this aspect of the Constitution has been amended since 1971, my
copy states:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be
eligible to that office, who shall not have attained to the age of
thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United
States."

	-- Article II, Section 1.

Note that the fourteen year residency requirement does not override the
natural born citizen requirement.

In article <23469@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon) writes:
>Re: "Picard/Riker 92" - no good. Jean Luc was not born in the
>United States.  Riker/Picard would work, though.

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President
shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States."

	-- Amendment XII (adopted 1804)

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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	-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"
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From: tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson)
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can't write!
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:11:56 GMT

In article <910252m.16.718998877@ace.acadiau.ca> 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON) writes:
>    Is it just me or does Diane Duane do the best version of McCoy ever 
>found in a novel? The debate in Spock's World definitely comes to 
>mind.........

Yes, she does.  Her Vulcans are even better, though they seem to drift
a bit from what one might infer from strictly canon sources.  I must
admit that I prefer her view of Vulcans to that of "official" Trek.
Her best characterizations, though, are clearly her Rihannsu.

Thor Iverson

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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
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Subject: Re: ack!! (Re: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals)
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:43:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bw7HKD.KIr
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <98747@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>
>(Of course I'm referring to `A Piece of the Action' which is one of
>the most well-liked of TOS.)
>

Maybe for you, but not for me.


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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:33:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: vidiot.4275
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <rccarm00.719076618@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
<In <4264@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<
<
<>Episode #233			uplink dates: 10/31/92, 11/01/92
<
<>	STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: A bizarre transporter mishap transform
<>	Picard and three other staff members into children just as Ferengis
<>	invade and disable the ship.
<
<   Does this scare anyone else as much as it does me?
<What happened to the writers who came up with 'The Inner Light',
<'I, Borg', and 'Darmok'??  Have they been taking lessons
<from the writers of 'Cost of Living'?

Damn, give the story a chance.  I've read the synopsis and it doesn't sound
bad at all.   To me, anyway, the story seems good.
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From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Elementary, Dear Data Question.
Keywords: How
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:48:58 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct10.023629.26565@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>In article <1av4ntINN5n8@venture.ksu.ksu.edu> tilden@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffery A Bohning) writes:
>>
>>I just saw a re-run of "Elementary, Dear Data" last night and I have a stupid
>>question.  Isn't there some way they could use a plot complication like
>>downloading Proffessor Morriarity's holodeck program into a android body
>>built to his own likeness?  Data could build the body and then just download
>>Morriarity into his new form.  Anyone have a justifiable answer why it can't
>>be done?
>
>I believe the whole concept of the uniqueness of Data is that no one
>else has perfected the positronic brain.  Data doesn't remember anything
>before his awakening so he can't help.  This is why that researcher
>(can't remember his name) wanted to take Data's brain apart in his research.
>He wanted to build a bunch of androids which lead to that discussion of Data's
>rights, his sentience, the slave android race, etc.

An important concept is that Moriarity does claim to have conciousness.
That means that the Enterprise computer was able to do the same thing that
Data does. Furthormore, Moriarity seemed to have emotions - deep emotions
in fact, which is much more than Data has. It seems that the Enterprise
computer did a better job than Data's positronic brain.

It seems to me that there is no reason that the Moriarity conciousness
could not have kept running on the Big E computer. He could have used just 
the holodeck for reacting with other humans, and the sensors and communication
devices of the computer to explore the reality around him. Of course, as we
know from the show, his program was putting a HUGE drain on the computer...
but surely they could have run the program on some star fleet computer for 
further research.

william@cs.arizona.edu

	-	D	R	A	G	O	N	-



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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow II **Spoilers**
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:15:21 GMT


Personally, what I think she was referring to was meeting FOR THE
FIRST TIME--_HER_ first time meeting him; "first" chronologically.
That's the meaning of Guinan's "Don't be so sure."  I.e. don't be
so sure what you remember is the actual "first time."  Am I making
much sense here?

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From: bfa1225@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
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Subject: Distress Call!
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:08:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Oct13.160824.2270
Organization: Mankato State University


  
    I have a few questions concerning STNG.  You see, I'd like to run an RPG
with the Enterprise & crew as important NPCs.  First off, any info on technical 
stuff about the Enterprise would br helpful.  As for more specific questions:

    * What are the ranks of the Romulans on their ships?  Who's the head
honcho?

   *  When, exactly, was the Federation formed (and how, etc)?

   *  Who has authority over Picard (I know there's an Admiral he speaks with
in some episodes, but I don't his name).

   * Who in the Fed., or Starfleet, has the authority to declare war against
someone?  (like, say, the Romulans) - and what would it take?

   *  Any other info about characters, technical stuff, etc.  will be very much
appreciated!

     Thanks ahead of time for all those who respond (hopefully, before
Saturday!).

            --Brad.
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Woopie Goldberg is a Toon... ?!?!?!?!?!
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:23:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Brandeis University

m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:

>My kids were watching a cartoon the other day called
>"The Planeteers", in which eco-kids zoom around the
>world doing eco-good, and communing with Gaia (the spirit
>of the Earth).  The voice of Gaia sounded awfully like
>Woopie/Guinan.  I couldn't stick around for the credits,
>but does anyone know if this is right, or is my hearing 
>just going offline?  

Yes, Whoopi Goldberg is Gaia in "Captain Planet and the Planeteers"
Also, the black planeteer (I forget his name) is played by Levar Burton.

IMHO, that's still not enough reason to watch this poor and extremely
one-dimensional show. 
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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:30:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.193455.27170@ra.msstate.edu> paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:
>>>>I suppose these might be spoilers
>>


>>>>Could someone please explain to me why the people stuck in
>>>>the transporter looked like those sand worms from Dune, and
>>>>how it was so easy and "should've known that" obvious to see
>>>>the connection afterwards?  To me, it still makes no sense.
>>>
>>>Yeah:  Barclay still looked like Barclay, but these people all looked
>>>like mutated intestinal parasites!  Also, how come they told Barclay
>>>that he couldn't stay dematerialized for more than 30-40 seconds or
>>>they would lose his signal, but they were able to recover the Yosemite's
>>>crew members after at least 3-4 DAYS!  For that matter, if you're
>>>disassembled at the molecular level, how is it possible to "experience"
>>>anything during transport (much less grab things!)?  And, before I'm
>>>finished, who was operating the transporter when the 4 Yosemite crew
>>>members beamed out?
>>>
>>Ok, here are my possible conjectures as to this and the show.
>>For one most of the things in question were explained in the show itself.
>>The reason the crew members appeared as worms was because due to the
>>fact that all the matter was out of phase in the transporter beam things
>>didn't appear as they should.
>>
>>The reason they were able to stay dematerialized was mentioned as well.
>>The inonization energy pulses of the plazma stream was enough to keep
>>the patterns from disintegrating.  Something like that.  Watch the show
>>again.
>>
>>The reason why they were in the transporter was that they were trying to
>>rid themselves of the microbes.  And the 5th crew member found dead was
>>the one who put them in the transporter beam.  They weren't trying to
>>transport anywhere.
>>
>
>So how did the fifth crew member die?  Good explanation except for
>that one tiny hole. 

	Hardly seems like a hole to me.  He was operating the
transporter when the explosion which killed him and trapped the others
occurred.


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