From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: IQ Test?
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:17:06 GMT

In article <mike_steiner-070193170153@192.35.50.131>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
=)In article <1993Jan7.060255.2079@julian.uwo.ca>, roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
=)(Eric Roberts) wrote:
=)> 
=)> In article <01GT7GVXIZAAADDWGI@ccfvx3.draper.com> skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum) writes:
=)
=)> >You're right if you're talking about the kind of small differences (130
=)> >IQ vs. 140 IQ) that seem to be important to some people.  But if you're
=)> >talking about 67 IQ vs. 143, your statement is very likely to be flat
=)> >wrong.
=)> >
=)> debate. (I am aware of the fact the studies have shown that IQ
=)> can not be increased significantly, the largest increase I have ever
=)> read about was 30-40 points, maybe the reason for this is that we are
=)> not educating in the proper manner.)  
=)More than likely it means that there is an inherent limit in each person. 
=)If it were a matter of education, then wouldn't there be less of a
=)differential between the highest and lowest measurements?

As far as changes in IQ, I'd be interested to know how controlled the
circumstances were when documenting 30 to 40 point changes.  I,
personally, have got a fairly inconsistent set of results:

Age	IQ
---------------------
7	179  test unknown
13	110  test unknown
18	135  estimated through percentile from SAT
18	144  estimated through percentile from ACT
34	165  Langdon Polymath (self-scored)

My own theory is that I think differently enough from most people that I
can excel in some areas which are considered difficult, while falling down
in others which most people find easier.  Thus, my score is far more
dependent on the individual test, or even the individual questions, than
people whose mental skills are arranged in a more typical fashion.  In
particular, I would score higher on a test which was designed with
questions and problems that the writers considered harder.  It
could be interpreted, though, that my IQ dropped an amazing 69 points in
the second seven years of my life, and rebounded almost completely since
then.  I suspect I may be highly abnormal in this inconsistency, but most
probably not unique.

Another question might be who actually documented these changes.  If it
was somebody intent on demonstrating a system for increasing IQ, I would
be more skeptical of the results than if it was more pure research.  Any
details, Eric, on these 30 to 40 point changes you mentioned?

Also BTW, I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else experiences the
level of inconsistency that I do, or has any better explanation for it,
just for my own curiosity.
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