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From: cmr@WORLD.STD.COM
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: big Kanji
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:07:02 GMT
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kbanner is on gatekeeper.dec.com /.4/JAPAN/DEC_JRD/???? memory fails me
for the last layer....   This is probably also on a DEC site in Europe
since it is on a CD of freeware produced in Europe by DEC (unofficially)

Charlie

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On Thu, 20 Aug 1992, John B. Melby wrote:

> >I have a friend who has a sight problem which hinders his reading, this
> >includes Japanese... he wants software for a Toshiba T2000 that will
> >allow him to see (Japanese) text  magnified on the screen
> ...
>
> This is probably not what you are looking for, but "kbanner2" can be used
> to display Japanese text on a terminal emulator.  The "-s" option is
> useful for producing reasonably small text without losing too many pixels.
> I'm not sure where to FTP it from Europe though....
>
> -----
> John B. Melby
> Fujitsu Limited, Yokohama
> melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@fai.com
From: M.Kossa@FREC.BULL.FR
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Japanese texts (on-line) wanted.
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:51:01 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi !
I'm looking for some texts in electronic form in order to improve my
japanese reading. If you have a short or long text somewhere on your
disk, can you mail it to me ?
Doomo arigatoo gozaimasu.
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Subject: (none)
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:36:35 GMT
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From: db6j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: GENJI MONOGATARI
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:02:04 GMT
Distribution: fj


   When I originally posted questions about GENJI a few weeks ago, I was
merely inquiring about other's opinions of the novel.

   I personally believe that the book provides almost NO clues to life
in Modern Japan...how could it, being written 100 years ago!  I do
believe, however, that the story provides good information into
traditional life in Japan, particularly that of Nobility, ideals,
general culture (i.e. rituals, despite the fact that many may not be
practiced today), and general direction of thinking.

   Not to mention the fact that I'm not reading the book as much as for
information as I am for entertainment and clues into traditional Japan.

    On 19-Aug-92 in Re: GENJI MONOGATARI
user Dave_Spence.Ebina_PB@FUJ writes:
>as entertainment.  BUT, reading Genji DOES give insight into the way the
>Japanese think.  "Modern" Japan didn't happen yesterday and get populated with
>"ALL NEW" Japanese people.  Trappings may have changed, but much of the
way the
>Japanese think and feel about things is right there in Genji Monogatari.

I also agree with this...I believe that people of different nations have
unique patterns of thought, which are obviously influenced by each
individual culture.
Some of the recurrent themes I notice in Japanese literature are a
reverence for nature...an appreciation for things that are taken for
granted by others.
I have also observed such clues from strictly expository compositions on
Japanese culture, both modern and traditional, not only from fiction.
These are just a few personal views...
Thanks,
DOUG
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: rjh1@FORTH.STIRLING.AC.UK
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: big Kanji
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:12:17 GMT
Distribution: fj

I have a friend who has a sight problem which hinders his reading, this
includes Japanese... he wants software for a Toshiba T2000 that will
allow him to see (Japanese) text  magnified on the screen (I have this for
the MAc but not PCs)... does anyone know of any such utilities that
might help him....?? Please contact me...

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From: cmr@WORLD.STD.COM
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Japanese texts (on-line) wanted.
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:06:29 GMT
Distribution: fj

Great Idea!!!  Could you email to me also!!

Charlie
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On Fri, 21 Aug 1992, Marc Kossa wrote:

> Hi !
> I'm looking for some texts in electronic form in order to improve my
> japanese reading. If you have a short or long text somewhere on your
> disk, can you mail it to me ?
> Doomo arigatoo gozaimasu.
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From: AENIX%UMSVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Mourinng customs
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:19:36 GMT
Distribution: fj

I am doing some research on mourning across cultures. I was wondering if anyone
 out there knows about the different Japanese funeral customs. My wife is a "ni
honjin" so she has filled me in some, but she does not practice a religion. I w
as particularly interested in the differences (if any) between the Bhuddists an
d Shinto. All information will be really appreciated.
From: Dave_Spence.Ebina_PBU@FUJIXEROX.XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Tsuji
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:01:01 GMT
Distribution: fj

August 18, 1992
Re tsuji
The kanji I THINK you are referring to is Nelson 4662, kunyomi tsuji (NO
onyomi), meaning crossroad, crossroad (similar to kousaten, meaning crossraod
or junction).

There is a major intersection in Shibaura, Tokyo, near Tamachi station called
Fudanotsuji (the tsuji kanji that is used is the Nelson 4662, mentioned, above.
Note that tsuji, Nelson 4662, is a KokuJi, meaning a Japanese character, not a
Chinese character and, therefore, does not have an 'Onyomi'.
But 'tsuji' would not normally be used to indicate a street.
One of the drawbacks that character dictionaries have is that usage is not
clearly addressed. That is, though a character or a compound may have a
particular meaning and exist as a valid character or compound, character
dictionaries do not tell you that in a given situation you do or do not use a
particular character or combination.  For that you need to refer to other
sources; regular dictionaries, books on usage, idiom dictionaries, etc., etc.,
as well as be familiarity with the language.

By the way, radical 162 is called shinnyuu hen.

Dave

P.S.  While it is true that the various words that seem to mean street, avenue,
road, etc., etc., generally are used in certain, 'accepted' ways, the Japanese
DO occassionally, use them indiscriminantly, much the way we might in the U.S.
with street, avenue, lane, road, boulevard, highway, expressway, toll road,
freeway, etc., etc. , especially when it comes to naming 'streets' in housing
devbelopments. So, while the 'rules' of usage are generally complied with in
Japan, they sometimes do not follow the rules.
From: santos@MICKEY.AI.KYUTECH.AC.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: GENJI MONOGATARI
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:26:31 GMT
Distribution: fj


   >>>A provokative statement:
   >>>When you learn Japanese, the worst thing you might do is starting to
   >>>read the GENJI NO MONOGATARI. Its value for the understanding of modern
 Japan
   >>>is nil. This can be likened to the complete irrelevance of HOMER for the
   >>>understanding of modern Greece. BTW: The "Genji" has been translated
   >>>to all major European languages.
   >>
   >>Hi!
   >>I dont really think too many people would read GENJI to learn about
   >>modern Japan- I'm reading it right now, and I would hardly compare it to
   >>anything I've learned about Japan!  Interesting you should mention it at
   >>this time, though.
   >>What other MONOGATARI would you recommend?

I want to read it, but just to get some feelings about OLD Japanese
literature.
If somebody have some comments, ideas, suggestions, please...

Rafael.
From: kishiko@TANPOPO.INFO.COM
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: My name in Kanji.
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:45:47 GMT
Distribution: fj

$B$3$s$K$A$o!*(B
I'm Japanese female.  I guess I have better suggestions for your name
in Kanji.  Your idea '$B9@Aa!!GO3?6n(B ' is not bad, but it still looks to
me that you're Chinese or such.  How about these;

	$B9,:n!!Kc0!Mh(B
	$B9a:i!!??0$5W(B
	$B9b:=!!Ka0!6j(B
	$B9c:i!!Kc0$5f(B
	$B9-Aa!!??0!9W(B

Anyways, there are lots of combinations.  I recomend you $B9c:i!!??0!5W(B
or $B9,:n!!??0!5f(B.  You may like to convert first name or second name
either way.  My friend has $B;}L4(B for his first name.  I've been thinking
his family name in Kanji for his birthday gift.  It's TOUGH!  His
family name is Gottlieb.  I guess you are lucky.  I'm sending you Kanji
in Jis code.  Please let me know if you would find your name in Kanji.
Sorry about my terrible English.

$B$G$O!"$G$O!#(B
Have a nice day!

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From: smittie@CSULB.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: Mourinng customs
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:16:12 GMT
Distribution: fj

You should also check into the film "Funeral" ("Ososhiki") which is by the same
director who did Tompopo. The film makes fun of Japanese mourning customs but
that could be informative as well. There is an English subtitled version
available.

smittie
From: Thomas_Dicorcia.ISO-SV@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Aldus Freehand, Lotus 1-2-3, with kanji under KanjiTalk?
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:33:49 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi everyone,

I have Rainer (Daeschler)`s excellent summary of what software works with Kanji
input under KanjiTalk on a Mac, and what doesn`t work so well.

According to that summary, kanji characters entered in MacDraw will overlap.  I
guess that`s true with MacDraw Pro as well?  How about Aldus Freehand?

Again, according to the summary, Microsoft Excell works fine with Kanji.  How
about the new Lotus 1-2-3 for Mac?

Any improvements re:kanji in the latest WordPerfect or Word for Mac?

Has anyone updated, added to Rainier`s summary?  The version I have includes:

        1. MS-Word 4.0
        2. MS-FILE 2.0
        3. Filemaer II
        4. MacDraw
        5. MacPaint
        6. Draw 5.0 (Share ware in info-mac:apple-draw-50.hqx)
        7. Nisus 3.05 (Current:3.06)
        8. WodrPerfect 4.1
        9. Excel 2.2
        10. SuperCard 1.5
        11. Canvas 2.0
        12. WinText
        13. WriteNow 2.0 and 2.2
        14. SmallTalk/V

Thanks in advance.

-- Tom DiCorcia
From: sielmann@DKRZ-HAMBURG.DBP.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: big Kanji
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:49:58 GMT
Distribution: fj

> >I have a friend who has a sight problem which hinders his reading, this
> >includes Japanese... he wants software for a Toshiba T2000 that will
> >allow him to see (Japanese) text  magnified on the screen
> ...
>
> This is probably not what you are looking for, but "kbanner2" can be used
> to display Japanese text on a terminal emulator.  The "-s" option is
> useful for producing reasonably small text without losing too many pixels.
> I'm not sure where to FTP it from Europe though....
>
  You can get kbanner2 from ftp-site gingaku.kudpc.kyoto-u.ac.jp (130.54.8.71)
  from any place in Europe as well.

  Hope I could help you !



  Frank Sielmann
  Univ. of Hamburg
  Meteorological Institute
  Bundesstrasse 55
  2000 Hamburg 13
  Germany

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A
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 > -----
> John B. Melby
> Fujitsu Limited, Yokohama
> melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@fai.com
>
>

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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: kanji of the day #24
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:49:20 GMT
Distribution: fj

I missed your initial Kanji of the day posters [which are
very helpful for everyone], could you post me
the ones up to now if you stored them somewhere.

Thank you very very much

Kutluk
From: stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: kanji of the day #32
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:18:22 GMT
Distribution: fj

KANJI OF THE DAY # 32

                    1***                5***
        2*      **********    6*    **********
        **********            ********
        ****            **    ****            **
        ****3***************  ****7***************
        ****    4***          **      8***
        ****    ****        ****      ****
        **      ****        **        ****
      ****      ****      **          ****
      **
    **      9***10************************
  **        ****                      ****
            ****                      ****
            ****11************************
            ****                      ****
            ****                      ****
            ****12************************
            ****                      ****
            ****                      ****
            ****13************************
                  14**
                ********        15********
            ********                  ********
      ******                              ****

(Numbers indicate order and beginning of strokes)

JIS      = 2571 (serial number)
shiftJIS = 8EBF (hexcode)
NELSON   = 4518
MIYAMOTO = 15-290
KUNZE    = 69-19

   OnYomi: SHITSU, SHICHI
  Kunyomi: tada(su) - ask, demand, question.

Mnemonics:  "Weight of a coin"

Derivation:

              ****          ****
      **********    **********
      **            **
      ************  **************  <-- two axes (used as weights)
      **    **      **    **
    ****    **    **      **
  ****
        ********************
        **                **
        ********************  <-- sea shell used for money
        **                **
        ********************
        **                **
        ********************
          **            **    <--- feet of the shell
    ******                ******

Compounds:

SHITSUmon   -  question
soSHITSU    -  makings, quality
SHICHIya    -  pawnshop
hitoJITSU   -  hostage

SHITSU signifies more "quality,substance,to inquire,simple and honest"
SHICHI is used for "pawn"

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I tried in vain to interpret the e-mail of some users from their net messages.
(i.e. kutluk@language-linguistics.umist.uk  did not work).
If I get direct mail, I can use REPLY to send old versions.

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From: M.Kossa@FREC.BULL.FR
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: My name in Kanji.
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:28:57 GMT
Distribution: fj

Hi everyone ;->
As for a change with kurai/gurai, I have a question for japanese
readers. My name being Marc Kossa, I'm trying to find a combination
of kanji to fit it phonetically, and to fit me otherwise...
I'm aware that the combination must show some harmony, at least.
So far the best I found is : $B9@Aa!!GO3?6n(J
What do you people think of it ? Any better suggestions ?

Doomo arigatoo gozaimasu.

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From: eroche@OPTION.STERN.NYU.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: kanji of the day #30
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:42:27 GMT
Distribution: fj

I always thought of the horse radical as being the four foot prints of the
horse standing next to a gate, like in the old west.  At least it looks like
that.

Ed Roche
Manhattan
From: anil@CS.TITECH.AC.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Research material
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:20:06 GMT
Distribution: fj

A while ago I did some database searches in Compuserve using !Quest.
The searches were very expensive but very useful for giving me pointers to
people in the field of multi-media, kanji, intelligent tutoring systems,
and related areas.
The Feist ruling (see Comms of the ACM  Feb 1992 pp27-32) now allows me to
re-coup some of
those costs by selling this info (to anyone within America).
If you are interested in obtaining this info, please reply to this message.
I will give you further info on what the keywords are, and the number of
items retrieved etc.
--
If you are a student then you just need to send me a blank 800k Mac disk
with a SAE (and money for postage)
and a small token of appreciation from America for my 1 year old son (NOT
more than $50 in value)
If you are a salaried person you will get the info at about 1/3 the cost
price.


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From: melby@DOVE.YK.FUJITSU.CO.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: big Kanji
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:17:57 GMT
Distribution: fj

>I have a friend who has a sight problem which hinders his reading, this
>includes Japanese... he wants software for a Toshiba T2000 that will
>allow him to see (Japanese) text  magnified on the screen
...

This is probably not what you are looking for, but "kbanner2" can be used
to display Japanese text on a terminal emulator.  The "-s" option is
useful for producing reasonably small text without losing too many pixels.
I'm not sure where to FTP it from Europe though....

-----
John B. Melby
Fujitsu Limited, Yokohama
melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@fai.com
From: hamazaki@ETL.GO.jp
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: GENJI MONOGATARI
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:26:13 GMT
Distribution: fj

In article <9208190924.AA22725@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>I want to read it, but just to get some feelings about OLD Japanese
>literature.
>If somebody have some comments, ideas, suggestions, please...

Well,,,,, do you plan to read original Genji-monogatari ?
The original in classic Japanese is hard to read, because Genji-monogatari
was written about 1000 years ago.

There are several translations of Genji-monogatari into modern Japanese.
The translation by Jun'ichiro Tanizaki is one of best but it's written
in old form and hard to read a little.
The translation by Akiko Yosano, which is first translation by female novelist,
is little easier to read than Tanizaki's.
The translation by Fumiko Enchi was made about 10 years ago and newest.

I've read Tanizaki's and Yosano's, and I prefere Tanizaki's.
But if your japanese is not so perfect, I recomend Yosano's or Enchi's.

Hope this help.
			Yoichi
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From: db6j+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.nihongo
Subject: Re: GENJI MONOGATARI
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:53:27 GMT
Distribution: fj

On 19-Aug-92 in GENJI MONOGATARI
user Rafael Santos@BITNET.CC. writes:
>I want to read it, but just to get some feelings about OLD Japanese
>literature.
>If somebody have some comments, ideas, suggestions, please...
>
>Rafael.

well, I am still reading it (havent had too much time lately, and its
long)...I think its great!  I love the story and the style used is well
suited for the novel.
Are you planning on reading the entire novel?
DOUG
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.apollo
From: philip@cel.cummins.com (Philip D. Pokorny)
Subject: Re: x3270 on Apollo?
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:21:40 GMT
Return-Path: <apollo-list-errors@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>

Steve Swamp asks:
> Has anyone got a working copy of x3270 on the apollo? I can get it
> to compile fine, but when I start it up, the window size stays fixed
> at a smaller size. I can change font sizes fine, but the window will
> not resize, even if I do it manually.
According to the README files I've got this is the correct
behavior.  There is only one font that comes with X3270 and it's
not a resizable font.  Therefore, X3270 tells the window manager
that the window is a fixed width and CANNOT be resized.  Your
X3270 is working correctly.

With that said, can you please send me you imake tree?  I
haven't had the time or energy to try and figure imake out and I
would DEARLY appreciate a working imake for the Apollo.

Thanks,


Sincerely,
Philip D. Pokorny
philip@cel.cummins.com
:)

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