From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Claytoon on the Couch (was Re: Stereotyping)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:50:10 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Aug27.220147.11559@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> In article <11901@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug26.045151.17644@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> @ 	After reading some of the Claytoon's arguments on how gay
> @ people should ostracize NAMBLA, I'm surprised that he has not called
> @ upon the Republican Party to ostracize:
> 
> @ 	A Jew-baiter and Nazi sympathizer whose father raised him to
> @ beat up other kids, who once punched out a cop, and who admires Joe
> @ McCarthy. [Pat Buchanan]
> 
> >What his father raised him to be, and what he is today are much
> >different.  Nazi sympathizer?  Odd, but no one managed to find
> >such dirt on Buchanan during the primaries.  I presume you are
> 
> 	Here is how he qualifies: He is very solicitous of accused
> Nazi war criminals, despite his general opposition to defendants'

Considering what is going on with the Demanjuk (sp?) case in Israel,
with good reason.  It is now clear that whatever Demanjuk's 
actions during WW2, he's not the monster that he was originally
convicted of being.  The Office of Special Investigations (the
Nazi hunters in our DOJ) has demonstrated time and time again
that their zeal in a righteous cause has prevented them from
recognizing when they got THE WRONG GUY!

I don't know what Buchanan's views on defendant rights are.
I do know that a lot of people believe in a fair trial, and the
Bill of Rights, without necessarily taking the absurd positions
that sometimes are held by the ACLU.

> rights. He has also called Nazi Germany an improvement on the Weimar
> Republic.

Would you care to give the full context?  I can imagine situations
where such a statement could be validly made, and yet the context
changes everything.  Here's an example: "From the standpoint of
unemployment, Nazi Germany was an improvement on the Weimar
Republic."  By the way, homosexuals are busy writing nice little
articles about Hitler's economic policies in soc.motss right now.
And not even in context do they come across as anything but 
puff pieces for the Nazis.

> >just making this up.  "Jew-baiter"?  Ah yes, anyone who expresses
> >any disapproval of the policies of Israel is an anti-Semite.  I've
> >heard it all before.
> 
> 	Did you read the _National Review_ of earlier this year? That
> was a very contentious issue among his ideological soul-mates.

I don't read NR -- I'm not impressed with its production values,
the quality of the writing, and I don't share much in common with
their ideology.

> 	I'm surprised that you don't consider someone like Pat
> Buchanan suspicious, especially when he claimed that the support for
> the Gulf War came from Israel and its Congressional cheerleaders. He
> was against it, remember?

I don't consider him suspicious.  There were a lot of opponents
of the Gulf War, for many reasons, and I don't, and didn't then,
immediately discount all of them.

> @ 	A woman who went to law school yet who thinks that not being a
> @ full-time housewife goes against a woman's most fundamental nature.
> @ [Marilyn Quayle]
> 
> >I happen to agree with Ms. Quayle on that.  So do most women I
> >know, not all of whom have the luxury of raising their own kids.
> 
> 	And you'll be surprised at how many women actually _enjoy_
> careers, despite it being Politically Incorrect to own up to doing so.

It's Politically Incorrect to stay home and raise kids.
What planet do you live on?

Note my use of the word "most" up there.  I'm afraid that subtle
distinctions such as "most" and "some" are lost on homosexuals --
that's why so many of them are convinced that I have claimed that
every homosexual is a child molester.

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