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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:54:56 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

In <btcnaql.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.941.54425@dosgate> "paul bobbitt" 
><paul.bobbitt@canrem.com> writes:
>>
>>Given that fact, perhaps some of you exhausted American Gays should
>>consider visiting Canada for the next 10 years or so.

>Well sure, just find us all jobs!

>>So, how 'bout it?  Come to the cold country with the warm heart!

>What are Canada's immigration policies about gay men/lesbians?

As far as I know there are no policies against immigration.  I do
know that spousal equivalence, in regards to sponsoring foreign
partners for citizenship, is not given.

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 24 Aug 92 04:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug24.044354.1301
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug24.005105.19272@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes, with his usual fucked up
posting software that has NO BUSINESS being on the net because it is
not Usenet compliant:

>3.  Then I said that there wasn't a nickel's worth of diff.
>    between the three of them and the real woman.  That's not a put-down;
>    it's a statement about attractiveness.

so what you're actually saying is that you were trying to insult three
people by saying you didn't think they were attractive. Only you
cloaked it in this long misogynist spew, thereby cleverly hiding your
true intent.

Aren't you boys crushed that this big strong man doesn't want to fuck you?

Nelson, doing his daily anti-BS post. If only there were an easy way
to make him go away... Sigh, do I finally have to start a kill file?
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From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:38:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug28.173843.17742
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Aug28.082007.914@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>I won't even begin trying to understand "Fuck you!" as an insult.

Wasn't it Lenny Bruce who said that the real insult to hurl at someone is
"Unfuck you!"?

- Gretchen

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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: musical finale
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:46:38 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>In article <1992Aug24.070421.5492@syacus.acus.oz.au>
>>>brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:

>>>}      --Honegger's "Adagio for Strings"
>>          ^^^^^^^^

>>(*gakk!*) Did I write that?  I meant Hovahness.  (sp?  Good
>>lord, Jess, help?)

>Please, please, no need to exaggerate, just "good Jess" will
>do.  It's spelled B-a-r-b-e-r.

Well, lovely as the Barber Adagio is, it's not the one I meant... Alan
Hovahness--again, I'm not *certain* of the spelling of that surname--
wrote a *gorgeous* Adagio for strings based on motives he picked up in
the Middle East, where he lived for many years.  The only recording of
it I've ever owned went missing in a theft many years ago, and I can't say
as I've seen the name in print in all the years since, hence my now shaky
memory of the spelling of this rather obscure composer's name... good Jess!

:-)

--Brent
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:02:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


I just that delicious little lad from Reed would post more often.
Nelson, isn't it?  He sounds, in a word:

*yummy*


Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc
If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car, too

(but they might just agree with me on this one...)
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From: drascic@ie.utoronto.ca (SpIke)
Subject: sex among grownups (was Re: Come out! come out!)
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:02:08 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD) writes:

>>At the University of Missouri-Columbia we had a voluntary
>>weekend workshop in "sexual desensitization" where we sat in
>>a lecture hall and watched video vignettes depicting topical
>>areas of masturbation, heterosexual sex, inter-racial sex,
>>homosexual sex, the physiology of orgasm, sex in the age > 55
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>category, and finally sex among the physically handicapped.
> ^^^^^^^^

>God, you mean some of us *are* getting it on?  That's a
>relief!  There's hope after all.  :-)

I recently attended the Annual International Gathering of Gay Male Nudists.
There were over 600 naked men staying in a summer camp (emphasis on the
"camp"), wearing clothes only when the cold weather demanded.  (Worst
dressed bunch of gay men I've EVER seen, but I suppose that figures :-)

There were men of all ages there, up to the seriously grown up (i.e. 75 and
older).  There was one section of the camp set aside for frolicking, with
the expectation that activities elsewhere would be G rated when outdoors.

Believe me, LOTS of grown ups were having lots of fun.

	SpIke.
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Ball Snaps and Calla Lillies, and a game.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:05:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

>In article <parfo40@fido.asd.sgi.com> pauli@sgi.com (Paul
>Isaacs) writes:
>
>>In article <la5qi1INN5g5@mizar.usc.edu>
>>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>>>As for examples, nothing more specific than
>>>Carole Lombard in a satin bias-cut evening gown comes to mind.  
>
>>I lent my queer card out to a friend this week, so I seem to have forgotten
>>what a 'bias-cut' evening gown is.  Would you mind explaining?
>

Okay.  Pick up a square piece of cloth, any woven cloth.  (A damask
napkin, perhaps?) Stretch it horizontally (along the line of one set
of threads).  Stretch it vertically. 

Note the complete lack of response.  If the cloth gets any longer, you've
been buying napkins from the wrong place.

Now stretch the cloth diagonally.  See the difference?

This (diagonal) direction is called the *bias*.  Bias-cut satin gowns
popular in the '30s, are draped to make the most of the natural
stretchiness of fabric stressed along the bias.  See any Jean Harlow
movie for details.  Bias-cut satin gowns can often be recognized by a 
diamond-shaped section over the tummy and between the breasts.  
                                                                
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considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: >>Day of protest against hate 92<<
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:34:31 GMT

Someone suggested that at this late date it might be more practical
to have a day of protest in cities across the country.

How many people would be willing to help organize marchs in the major
cities around the country? 

This way the local TV stations will cover them even if the national
networks ignore them.

So does anyone have any suggestions? What dates between now and election
day would be good? Is there enough interest to make it worth while?
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: What's that Butthole Surfers song that goes...
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:55:54 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.154754.22957@PacBell.COM>
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>> hsu@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

>>          ...I've decided to stop being a Chicago hanger-on
>>and queer events reporter, and become a San Francisco hanger-on
>>and queer events reporter instead...

>Yeaaaaa!  I'll look out for you on the 24-Diviz :-)

San Francisco's gain is the midwest's loss, lemme tell ya.
This is one *very* nice man.  I'm looking forward to seeing
him again, perhaps as early as 4 weeks from today (find the
coded message).

<> Suck my cock and twist my balls,
<> Invade my ass and stretch the walls.
<>
<> Fuck my mouth and ejaculate
<> But please don't kiss me 'cause I'm straight.
<> -- Graffito
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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:12:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug29.214119.871@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>More importantly, I think, is that Boob has completely bought
>into the notion that you're only entitled to your rights if 
>you're popular, and he's asking you to buy into it, too.  He'd 
>much rather participate in the marginalization of those who 
>are different than put effort into ending it.  He thinks it's
>politically important to be liked, as if there's a committee
>out there who will protect his job, his housing, etc. if he
>bends over really, really far and lets the bigots have their 
>way with him.  It's far more masc. to take it up the ass from
>a bigot than a fem. gay, doncha know.

(Well, here goes again--asbestos suit is ready.... 8-)

Melinda, there's a difference between understanding a potential viewpoint
in Bob Sarver's rhetoric and "buying into" the conclusions he draws from
it.

My impression has always been that Bob has taken a personal
dislike--something he's allowed to have, whether you like it or not--and
converted it into a statement proscriptive of a certain section of the
populace.

I can understand and accept Bob's likes and dislikes.  I can't accept his
conclusions as valid extensions of those likes and dislikes, because it
seems he's ignoring the basic right of people to be who and what they are.

Lately I've been on the heated end of this debate for supposedly saying the
same things.  I wanna clear the record: I don't condone discrimination.
Point and period.  I make my decisions based on *personalities* of
*individuals*, much as many of you may think to the contrary.

There's also a big difference between reacting to individuals and passing
judgement on them.  I try to do the former.  I'm not perfect; the result is
that I sometimes do the latter instead.  But then again, that's a part of
being human, isn't it?

We aren't demigods out to champion a cause against a horde of demons.
We're people dealing with other people.  We don't have to like all of our
"allies," and some of our "enemies" may be more appealing than we'd like to
admit.  But like it or not, our allies *are* our allies--no matter how
psychopathic, nelly, butch, or paranoid those allies may be.

Maybe it's time to gather the allies together for the assault.



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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: Quang Phuc Dong
Organization: still practicing faggots
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:44:23 GMT

this is the third time *today* this has come up, so here's the
reference:

Quang Phuc Dong, "English sentences without overt grammatical
  subject", pp. 3-10 in

Arnold M. Zwicky, Peter H. Salus, Robert I. Binnick, and Anthony
  L. Vanek (eds.), Studies out in left field: Defamatory essays
  presented to James D. McCawley (on the occasion of his 33rd
  or 34th birthday).  Original edition: Linguistic Research, Inc.,
  Edmonton and Champaign, 1971.  Reprint edition (with a new
  introduction by Regna Darnell): John Benjamins, Philadelphia
  and Amsterdam, 1992.

the reprint edition appeared at the same time as a *new*
festschrift (entirely serious, this time, and not edited by me,
though i have an article in it - at the very end, where the
z's always go, sigh), entitled The Joy of Grammar, also
published by benjamins.

Quang Phuc Dong (of the South Hanoi Institute of Technology)
is in fact mccawley himself, as is another contributor, Yuck
Foo (from the same institution).  (i have two contributions
in the volume myself, under the name Ebbing Craft.)

the volume has three kinds of material in it: pornolinguistics
and scatolinguistics (mccawley's items, and some others, including
one by ann zwicky on french words for farting); parody and burlesque
(including my ebbing craft stuff); and whimsy (e.g., linguistic
tom swifties: "Up up and away", said Tom in his beautiful Walloon).

the original edition cleverly falls apart into a pile of separate
pages as soon as you open it up.  the new edition stays whole, but
its covers, i see, tend to curl up in damp weather, such as
columbus regularly has in the summer.

(i get no royalties on sales of these books, so i can feel free
to tell you to besiege the benjamins office in philadelphia
for copies of the volume.  i must say i am tickled that there
is so much interest in the book even more than twenty years
after it appeared.)

mccawley is a great character - a scholar of incredible productivity,
a fabulous cook (get his Eater's Guide to Chinese Characters and learn
a lot about chinese food *and* the chinese language and writing
system) and musician, a relentless and uncompromising champion of
political and sexual liberty, and a delightful person.  ok, not
family, not Queer, but as queer as you could want.

arnold (who still guffaws on rereading some of this stuff)
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Texas
Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:40:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.072645.9298@reed.edu> 
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> Did you all take Texas
> history in eighth grade, like we did? 

No, we got to learn all about Father Junipero Serra, and the
missions, and Pio Pico, and wickiups, and the Yang-Na and Chumash
Indians, and acorns, and metates and manos, and the Gold Rush,
and grizzly bears, and stuff like that.  Fun stuff.  Stuff I
think about *every* *single* *day* of my life.

Arne
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 2 Sep 1992 00:58:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <65095@cup.portal.com> 
Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> Jake Coughlin writes:
> >Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison):
> >> Steve, do you have to *work* at being this big an asshole or were
> >> you born this way?
> >
> >he's enrolled in arne's twelve step program.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Hey! Watch it!  Do you always spit when you laugh?

> Thanks, Jake... I needed that.  ;-{)##]

If I'd known that you were so starved for humor out in the wilds
of Glendale, I'd have organized a USO concert for you.

Arne


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:37:29 GMT


In article <1992Aug29.135611.23692@watson.ibm.com>
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson):
>> Do you want to kiss and make up?
>> [...]

>now what are those "horrible, unfeeling, nasty pieces of
>work from time to time" saying these days?  oh yes,

>*SMOOCHES*

After lying dormant for quite some time, there are ominous
signs here that the Smurf Cabal (for the uninitiated, it's
rather like locusts) is about to emerge from its burrows.
Be ready to activate your treacle shields at a moment's
notice!

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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Canadian immigration policy (was Re: move to canada, eh?)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:22:09 GMT

In <3471@ra.nrl.navy.mil> julie@hood.nrl.navy.mil (Julie Hood) writes:

>queer people write: 
>> >What are Canada's immigration policies about gay men/lesbians?
>> 
>> As far as I know there are no policies against immigration.  I do
>> know that spousal equivalence, in regards to sponsoring foreign
>> partners for citizenship, is not given.

>Too true regarding queer spouses for citizenship but the same restrictions
>on landed immigration status (green cards) apply to hets as to queers.
>I'm a US citizen & was considering a position at UBC and checked out 
>immigration and health benefit info out for my lover.  Even if I was `legally'
>married to a boy, oops nelson, MAN, he would NOT have been granted 
>landed immigrant status by virtue of my having a job in Canada.
>This is what the Canadian Embassy here in DC told me a few months ago.
>Apparently this is a recent (within the last few years) ruling.
>However, the University would have extended health care to my spousal
>equivalent, even though she is (obviously, to me anyway) of the same sex. 
><gasp!>
>But I'm still confused why she would have the domestic partner benefits
>but not be legal to work in Canada?!? I though things like health care
>were part of Canadian government's socialist structure.
>Anybody have some clues... ?
>I'm *not* pursuing that job anymore but I am still curious.
>Is this the same way it works here in the US?
>A foreigner can bring the spouse (only a motos, of course BUT NOT FOR LONG!)
>and the spouse is then legal to stay here and can get the domestic partner 
>bennies,.... but that spouse can not legally work?

The answer is quite simple.  The domestic partner benefits (re health care)
are completely seperate from immigration, controlled by different 
legislation.  Were the benefits part of BC's Health Care or part of
UBC's benefits package?

And Canada is *not socialist.

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From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:15:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.exotica.715281359
Organization: University of Washington

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Shawn Hicks writes:
>>Chris (clc@nevada) and I are trying to pull together a trip to 
>>the fair.  We can afford the plane tickets, but cannot affort
>>the $115 a night hotel fees.  Do any SF.motssers know of a
>>hotel with affordable (poor student) rooms that's in walking
>>distance of the festivities?  Can we beg for floor space?

>This is one of the biggest gay-oriented parties of the year for
>SF; probably second or third, after Gay Pride, and possibly the
>Castro Street Fair.  People book their hotels for this weekend
>literally *MONTHS* in advance. (There are two on 9th between
>Folsom and Harrison that are considered "prime" -- and which
>have been sold out for at least a month now.)

The only available rooms *we* found were at Inn San Fransisco, for $75 an night,
and we booked those 2 months ago. If you can't find crash space you're 
going to want to try further away from Folsom St itself...Get a gay travel guide
and start calling - orlook at the cheap nongay places: Travelodge and Motel
6 and the like.

See yez there!

Tsilke
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: musical finale
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:43:30 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug29.001208.28197@spdcc.com>,
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) remembers the name of Stravinsky's:
> >piece dedicated to the city of
> >Venice--why am I forgetting its name??  (It had his experiment with
> >serialism in the central aria for tenor: "Surge Aquilo".)
> 
> I remember now.  Canticum Sacrum.

Which is Latin for "Not tonight, dear, I've got a sore back."
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about." -- Oscar Wilde
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Commonalities: Years Since Birth vs. Years Since Joining Community
Date: 27 Aug 1992 13:25:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.203241.14524@sporty.col.oh.us> 
ejp62@cas.org writes:

> The recent thread on terminology, queer vs. gay, rekindled a question of
> mine.  Part of that thread had to do with generational differences.
>
> I believe that another factor, the year that someone "joined the GLBO*
> Community"  has as large an affect on an individuals perceptions, as
> their biological age. ....

It's certainly true in my case.  I came out at 15 (1971), but I
socialized with much older gay men (men in their 30s, 40s, 50s).  
That explains, I think, why I feel so out of sync with gay men my 
age.  Yes, I took part in the 70s gay stuff, but I identify much
more strongly with gay men 20 or more years older than I.

Arne
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Banana Republic
Keywords: Out, gay, clothing
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:24:12 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <4646@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
>Reprinted without permission from USA Today, Aug. 18, 1992, without comment.
>
>Armed with statistics showing the strong spending power of the gay and lesbian
>market, magazines like OUT and THE ADVOCATE have been struggling to attract
>mainstream advertisers.

Of course, what the statistics really show is the strong spending power
of the readership of magazines like Advocate.

>Dressing well and buying expensive clothes has been a
>hallmark of gay men -- and gay women."

Well, we must look proper for our hairdressing and interior decorating
clients.

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