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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Re: A question
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:57:14 GMT

In article <SFS-L%92082522520851@SEARN.SUNET.SE> IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (Phillip Paxton / IT) writes:
>On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:48:58 GMT Mark A. Stevens said:
>>VMBACKUP from SCI can backup SFS and minidisk files in much the same way,
>>one filespace/minidisk at a time.  You can restore minidisks to SFS.
>>This is how I moved my users, long ago.
>
>Eeeeeek!  How many are you talking about?  I found XAUTOLOG'ing users
>(which I'd already done when the member on this list from Purdue suggested it)
>was far easier.  I just put a three-second delay in-between each XAUTOLOG
>and spooled the console log of the id doing the XAUTOLOG'ing.  I had the
>migration exec access the 191, access SFS, copy files, then verify
>by checking the number of files and date/time stamp...

At the time, it was about 1000 userids each with usually less than one
3350 DASD cylinder's (120 4K pages) worth of data.  Last restore, due
to DASD failure that I ran was 5.5 hours for 3000+ userids.  That was 9
6250 BPI tapes.
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Systems Programmer                        Internet: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Educational Computing Network             BITNET:   XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET
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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Switching from VM/SP6 to VM/ESA 1.0 370
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:29:04 GMT

Has anyone migrated from SP/HPO 6 SFS to ESA 370/ESA ESA SFS?  Did you
have to:

   1. GENERATE and reload and go?
   2. REGENERATE and reload and go?
   3. Edit directory to point to mdisks and go?
   4. Other?

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Mark A. Stevens                           Phone:    708-534-0200
Systems Programmer                        Internet: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Educational Computing Network             BITNET:   XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:28:35 EDT
From:         Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Restoring SFS to a new filepool
              26 Aug 1992 13:25:50 EDT from <NETTLE@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:25:50 EDT Scott Nettleship said:
>
> Don't use a 200 cylinder minidisk unless you're sure you will need it. You can
>always add more space via FILEPOOL/FILESERV MINIDISK.   FILEPOOL MINIDISK
>(new addition in VM/ESA Release 2) does not even
>require that the server be stopped. Deleting space gets more cumbersome.
>You can do it by using the EXEC mentioned in the first append, but that is a
>time consuming process.
>

Will Release 2 or later allow changing max disks or max users or other max
config things on the fly without reinstalling the filepool?

> We realize this is a limitation, and we're considering a solution that gives
>you the ability to unload a filespace, and allow it to be reloaded to another
>file pool. There would be no ties to dasd. Would this solve the problem?
>

Is this BARS or DFSMS?



>                                  Scott Nettleship
>                                  VM/ESA CMS Development
>                                  Internet: NETTLE@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM
>                                  IBMMAIL:  USIB2WF7 at IBMMAIL
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:43:40 CDT
From:         Galen Tillery <RGTILLER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A question
              25 Aug 1992 11:46:32 EDT from <DEARING@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:46:32 EDT Jane Dearing said:
>...build a brand new SFS system for the students.  So, I
>generated a new filepool with new disk extents, but found I could not
>restore my FILEPOOL backup into the new configuration.

We haven't used the restore from backup, but we did find a way to change
filepool disk sizes (if only by accident).  Last year we had a filepool
begin to experience bad file problems.  After working with IBM, we decided
to create a new filepool and copy all the current stuff to the new filepool.
Since then, I have had to use the process once again due to another filepool
corruption experience with another filepool.

The process has worked fine for us.
 1) Get a listing of all users enrolled in the corrupted filepool
    (i.e. QUERY FILEPOOL STATUS oldpool)
 2) Create a totally new filepool (newpool) under a different name with
    with the new disk areas as we wish to have them.
 3) We run a modified version of the TRANSFER EXEC to move the user from
    the oldpool to the newpool.  The TRANSFER EXEC we started with is in
    the back of the SP6 SFS Guide (we still run HPO6 so I don't know if
    it would work for ESA).
 4) Shutdown both pools (oldpool and newpool).
 5) Change the newpool name to the same as the oldpool name
 6) Bring the new pool up.
 7) Eventually get rid of the old pool.  I keep it around for a week
    or so until I am sure the copy went ok.

All the directories, files, and authorizations were moved with the files.
There may be a problem with ALIAS files.  Hardly anyone here uses ALIASES
and the one or two I had did not seem to get copied.

I can send the exec to you if you would like.  I cannot guarantee it but you
are welcome to look it over and make your own judgement.

Galen

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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Re: Restoring SFS to a new filepool
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:54:07 GMT

In article <SFS-L%92082619302147@SEARN.SUNET.SE> Scott Nettleship <NETTLE@GDLVM7.VNET.IBM.COM> writes:
> We realize this is a limitation, and we're considering a solution that gives
>you the ability to unload a filespace, and allow it to be reloaded to another
>file pool. There would be no ties to dasd. Would this solve the problem?

No ties to DASD?  I could use further explanation on this.  I'm not sure
I understand what you mean.

I'd like to be able to flag a bad track/cylinder/volume to not be used by
SFS so I could continue long enough to back up the filepool. Maybe even
tell me what userid(s)/filespace(s) is affected by that bad area.

Why?  So that I can look to alternate backups for those damaged or
missing files when I restore the userid/filespace/filepool.

Thanks for asking.
-- 
Mark A. Stevens                           Phone:    708-534-0200
Systems Programmer                        Internet: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Educational Computing Network             BITNET:   XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:18:43 EDT
From:         Pete Kostik <MAINT1@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A question
              25 Aug 1992 12:36:46 EST from <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUP UI.EDU>

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:36:46 EST Phillip Paxton / IT said:
>VMBackup will allow you to back up many users' directories in a filepool
>or entire filepools, but will only allow you to restore a single user
>directory or an entire filepool.  This means it is out as a migration
>tool as you'd have to submit one restore job for each user.

We've used VMBACKUP to restore individual storage groups to a different
filepool.  Thus, VMBACKUP gives three levels of restoring:  individual
filespace (one user), a storage group, and the entire filepool.

Having VMBACKUP to do this with saved my butt one night when we lost
the production filepool after corruption problems.

  -  Pete Kostik, Systems Software     Bitnet : maint1@ers
     USDA Economic Research Service    IBMmail: usersjxz@ibmmail
                                       Phone  : (202) 219-0573
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:36:46 EST
From:         Phillip Paxton / IT <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A question
X-To:         "VM Shared File System (SFS) forum" <SFS-L@SEARN.SUNET.SE>
              25 Aug 1992 13:21:36 HAE from <ADMIN@VM1.ULAVAL.CA >

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:21:36 HAE Jean Bedard said:
>As I understand it (but should be validated), once you have backed up an
>SFS filepool with SyncSorts's SYBACK program, you can restore it to any
>filepool.
>
>An advantage of SYBACK is that the backup of CMS data, either minidisk or SFS,
>(and non-CMS data, by the way) is done by the same program, instead of having
>one (DDR) for minidisks and one (SFS built-in backup) for filepools. I
>suppose the same is true with VM/Backup (is it?).

VMBackup will allow you to back up many users' directories in a filepool
or entire filepools, but will only allow you to restore a single user
directory or an entire filepool.  This means it is out as a migration
tool as you'd have to submit one restore job for each user.

Also, you cannot specify SFS stuff in a restore template.

Systems Center said they should have a beta for multiple user SFS
in about three or four months.

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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Re: A question
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:07:40 GMT

In article <SFS-L%92082523075700@SEARN.SUNET.SE> IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (Phillip Paxton / IT) writes:
>VMBackup will allow you to back up many users' directories in a filepool
>or entire filepools, but will only allow you to restore a single user
>directory or an entire filepool.  This means it is out as a migration
>tool as you'd have to submit one restore job for each user.

See my other note concerning migration.  You can do it in batches.  I
moved one set of users at a time, all B* userids, then C*, then ...
until I was done.

>Also, you cannot specify SFS stuff in a restore template.

That's true and a real pain sometimes.

>Systems Center said they should have a beta for multiple user SFS
>in about three or four months.

Probably only in VMBACKUP/E, too! :-P
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Mark A. Stevens                           Phone:    708-534-0200
Systems Programmer                        Internet: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Educational Computing Network             BITNET:   XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET
Board of Governors Universities           VMSHARE:  ECE/MARK
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:21:36 HAE
From:         Jean Bedard <ADMIN@VM1.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject:      Re: A question

As I understand it (but should be validated), once you have backed up an
SFS filepool with SyncSorts's SYBACK program, you can restore it to any
filepool.

An advantage of SYBACK is that the backup of CMS data, either minidisk or SFS,
(and non-CMS data, by the way) is done by the same program, instead of having
one (DDR) for minidisks and one (SFS built-in backup) for filepools. I
suppose the same is true with VM/Backup (is it?).
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:26:47 EDT
From:         Pete Kostik <MAINT1@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Switching from VM/SP6 to VM/ESA 1.0 370
              31 Aug 1992 19:29:04 GMT from <xmas@UXA.ECN.BGU.ED U>

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:29:04 GMT Mark A. Stevens said:
>Has anyone migrated from SP/HPO 6 SFS to ESA 370/ESA ESA SFS?  Did you
>have to:
>
>   1. GENERATE and reload and go?
>   2. REGENERATE and reload and go?
>   3. Edit directory to point to mdisks and go?
>   4. Other?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>--

We switched from VM/SP 6 to VM/ESA/370 last Fall.  There was
no special migration effort for SFS.  We just IPL'd the new CMS
in the SFS service virtual machines.

The manual SC24-5561 "Conversion Notebook for 370" on page 166
discusses the subject "Migrating the SFS File Pool Server Back to
VM/SP Release 6 from VM/ESA (370 Feature)."  This reverse migration
sounds like it could be very cumbersome, if you have used any of
the new ESA enhancements to SFS.

Since the new SFS allows a work unit to write to more than one
filepool at a time, we have been able to split some of our applications
across several file pools.  This has let us get around the
limited number of user agents that a single SFS server can support
with 16 mb. of memory.

  -  Pete Kostik, Systems Software     Bitnet : maint1@ers
     USDA Economic Research Service    IBMmail: usersjxz@ibmmail
                                       Phone  : (202) 219-0573
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:11:30 EST
From:         Phillip Paxton / IT <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A question
X-To:         "VM Shared File System (SFS) forum" <SFS-L@SEARN.SUNET.SE>
              25 Aug 1992 17:48:58 GMT from <xmas@UXA.ECN.BGU.ED U>

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:48:58 GMT Mark A. Stevens said:
>In article <SFS-L%92082519311627@SEARN.SUNET.SE> Jean Bedard
><ADMIN@VM1.ULAVAL.CA> writes:
>>An advantage of SYBACK is that the backup of CMS data, either minidisk or SFS,
>>(and non-CMS data, by the way) is done by the same program, instead of having
>>one (DDR) for minidisks and one (SFS built-in backup) for filepools. I
>>suppose the same is true with VM/Backup (is it?).
>
>VMBACKUP from SCI can backup SFS and minidisk files in much the same way,
>one filespace/minidisk at a time.  You can restore minidisks to SFS.
>This is how I moved my users, long ago.

Eeeeeek!  How many are you talking about?  I found XAUTOLOG'ing users
(which I'd already done when the member on this list from Purdue suggested it)
was far easier.  I just put a three-second delay in-between each XAUTOLOG
and spooled the console log of the id doing the XAUTOLOG'ing.  I had the
migration exec access the 191, access SFS, copy files, then verify
by checking the number of files and date/time stamp...

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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:33:36 EST
From:         Phillip Paxton / IT <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A question
X-To:         "VM Shared File System (SFS) forum" <SFS-L@SEARN.SUNET.SE>
              25 Aug 1992 17:18:43 EDT from <MAINT1%ERS.BITNET@S EARN.SUNET.SE>

On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:18:43 EDT Pete Kostik said:
>On Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:36:46 EST Phillip Paxton / IT said:
>>VMBackup will allow you to back up many users' directories in a filepool
>>or entire filepools, but will only allow you to restore a single user
>>directory or an entire filepool.  This means it is out as a migration
>>tool as you'd have to submit one restore job for each user.
>
>We've used VMBACKUP to restore individual storage groups to a different
>filepool.  Thus, VMBACKUP gives three levels of restoring:  individual
>filespace (one user), a storage group, and the entire filepool.
>
>Having VMBACKUP to do this with saved my butt one night when we lost
>the production filepool after corruption problems.

I'm not disagreeing /c the options because I'm fully aware of them.
I'm just pointing out that as a migration tool it's not real nice...
restoring an entire filepool isn't so bad, but restoring 2'100
users one @ a time isn't real fun, hence our XAUTOLOG'ing

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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:44:08 EDT
From:         "Dave Windley, Data Comm Specialist X799" <AADW@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: D/deaf

> As I understand the D/deaf label, Bryce, it's used out of respect to
> differentiate those in the Deaf culture & those not.  I never knew a
> difference existed until joining the List last March & that's how it
> was explained to me.  I say out of respect because if that's how
> someone wants to be called or addressed, that's what I'll use.  I see
> no need to be concerned about pronunciation since it's just a DEAF-L
> term - isn't it?  If not, we'll have to discuss the psychological
> impact of this Big D/little d label....haha!
>
> --Annette (ALEMONS@ILSTU)

      Annette:

      Indeed, "d/Deaf" is not just a Deaf_L term!  I first became
      exposed to the concept in one of my classes here in our
      Interpreter Preparation Program.

      I have also seen the term used regularly in publications about
      Deaf culture including but not limited to The Bicultural
      Center's "TBC News".  And yes, in those publications, the term
      has the same meaning as it does here in Deaf_L.
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      Data Communications Specialist          800 South Rolling Road
      Sign Interpreter                     CATONSVILLE MD 21228-9987
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:43:00 EDT
From:         David James <ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: D/deaf

Annie Senghas <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>:

  "Christian," "Jew," and "Methodist" are all capitalized.  Yet "pagan"
  is not.  If that doesn't imply that some religions are recognized, an
  others not recognized, by somebody who is writing grammar books
  somewhere, what explains the difference?  It is not just old
  holdover-- Unitarian Universalists are pretty new on the scene, and
  they get capitalized.

You're confusing apples and Macintoshes. The rules I described apply to
religions as well: "Christian", "Jew", "Methodist", and also "Hindu",
"Buddhist", and "Muslim"; "pagan" and also "monotheist". And the
Unitarian Universalists, rather than being trinitarian as are, for
example, the Catholics and the Episcopalians, are unitarian.

In any event, you're right that "Deaf" has a special meaning in the
more general context of deafness and sign language, not just on this
list. It is, in fact, a bit of technical jargon (or, as the lawyers say
in _their_ technical jargon, a term of art -- "term of art" is itself a
term of art).

But like all technical jargon, this is, first, determined and decided
upon by the people who use it and, second, largely irrelevant to and
therefore ignored by everyone else. Not "recognized" or "not
recognized" as you seem to think, but ignored. As Bryce said, to the
general public (who include quite a few deaf people), deaf is deaf.

--David James
ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET
DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET

Ps. Your professor may have been using "Black" as a term of art, and
"black" and "African-American" can mean different things (presumably
the latter is a subset of the former), but I've only seen "Black" used
by people who a) obviously meant "black", b) were known on other
grounds to be pretentious. The same sort of people (many of them the
same people) now use "African-American" instead of "Black", and
probably do think they mean the same thing. (I've even heard someone at
Howard say, "Africans look black, but they aren't." This was some time
ago; he might now say "Africans look like African-Americans, but they
aren't.")
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Thanks, Henry

	Martin Powderly

	ddbt23@upvax.ulster.ac.uk

	"Like think it twice but never, never learn"
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:11:00 -0700
From:         "Bryce Carey, CNS,
              Admin. Sys. Group" <CAREY_B@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fun with language (vowels)

From:   carey_b@cubldr.colorado.edu

Bosco Keown says:

>Ref:  Vicki's posting of Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:42:11 -0700


>>For real fun though, one of my favorite words is cwm (that's not misspelled).
>>(a narrow valley or deep hollow) It's Welsh, borrowed into English with no
>>change in spelling.  In Welsh the W is *really* a "double-u" (or more like
>>double-o :-)

>In the north of England, a ravine is known as a "ghyll" (often spelled
>gill -- as in Gaping Gill). That's an example of a 'vowelised' "y".
>I am sure that *old* English had lots of vowelisation of "y" sounds.

> " Everyman, I wyll go with thee and be thy gyde
>   In thy moost nede to go by thy syde. "
>
 ...good stuff deleted...

>Th bst sltn -- n bldy vwls!
>
>Bosco.


Bosco,

Thanks for bringing out the next question:

Why is it that some languages are written without vowels?  I seem to
recall reading somewhere that the consonants of English (at least)
are the most crucial to understanding of a word. Perhaps that
was only in reference to written words.

I believe that written Hebrew leaves out the vowels. Why is that done?

Thanks to Annie for a most informative description of speech waveforms.
Is it possible to produce intelligible 'vowel-less' synthetic speech in the
same manner as Bosco writes without vowels?

-Bryce
From: annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU (Annie Senghas)
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Subject: Korean
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:13:17 GMT
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Well, I sent email to a linguist friend of mine who knows
about Korean, and asked him if it was a tonal language.  Here
is his reply:

> No, Korean is not a tonal language, because intonation (as well
> as stress) is lexically irrelevant in Korean; there are no
> minimal pairs of words that are distinguished only by intonational
> pattern.  On the other hand, intonation does play a role in Korean
> phonology and phonetics.  Korean exhibits a variety of intonational
> patterns on individual syllables (e.g., falling, rising-falling,
> rising-falling-rising), and the intonational pattern for a given
> word is largely derived from the particular combination of phonemes
> (esp. the quantity features on the vowels) that make up the word.

Of course, there do exist tonal languages and some deaf people do
speechread them.  I suspect they just deal (not always easy, I'm sure)
and figure out what the tones are by context, some facial and body
expression, etc.  They just don't have access to the tones, just the
way English speechreaders don't have access to the voiced/voiceless
consonant distinction.  Of course, anyone who knows better, correct me
if I'm wrong.  This is just my hunch.

-Annie
(annie@psyche.mit.edu)
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