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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Best Marching Band
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:59:30 GMT

zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree) writes:
>> As far as your attempted slam on marching bands goes, you must not have heard a
>> great marching band before. 
>That is possible.  I also have never heard a rhino sing "O Canada".  And in
>both instances, I probably never will.

>> That's the first thing that you need.  Second, is the arrangement.  If the >arrangement doesn't fit the marching band or simply isn't a very good one then >it can sound bad.
>That's the truth.  I was forced to witness the OU marching band perform their
>rendition of "I've Got Friends In Low Places".  Needless to say, I decided to find
>another low place which serves beer and spares it`s patrons from such horrible
>things.

>>On the other hand, with the right band (with the right instrumentation) and the >right arrangement, just about anything can sound awesome. 
>> 
>I seriously doubt that.  Case in point: "Achy Breaky Heart".  No amount of 
>arrangement or musicianship could make this awful song any better.  Additional
>instrumentation might help (such as large howitzers or claymore mines aimed at
>the performers and subsequently fired).  But again, I doubt it.

Gee... you sure got me there.  I'm speechless... ???



  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 			 	      			       Marching Illini 
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
				   --------------------------------------------
From: ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:47:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <92289.022028KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <2fN=03Lnabjp00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie
>Townsend) says:
>
>>Wait a minute! Two MNC's in the 80's for JoePa?
>Yes.
>>1980 GA Dogs
>>1981 USC The one in LA
>>1982 Was this Penn State's other year?
>
>Yes.  Beat Herschel Walker and the Georgia Bulldogs.
>
>>1986 Penn State
>
>Beat ANOTHER Heisman winner....
>
>------------
>Kurt Ludwick
>------------


Kurt, I thought the Clemson tigers were MNC in '82.  Beat the dog out of someone
in the orange bowl.

Dale
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:15:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct11.221002.2900@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <mplpv-g@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:
>>
>>Ok...someone PLEASE tell me how a teams schedule has ANYTHING to do with 
>>how good a team they are!!!!!!!  *sigh* It's hopeless I suppose.
>>WHO you play doesnt matter...HOW you play does!
>>
>>-Eric Jaderlund
>> jade@triton.unm.edu
>
>
>
>Very simple.  It is much harder to look good and win against one of the
>nations best teams than it is to look good against easy competition.  
>If Miami/Washington/however, play a top ten team, especially at the other
>teams stadium, and wins,  even if they barely win and don't look as good 
>doing so, people usually think more of the victory than a team that goes
>and blows out another team.  As an example, Notre Dame only looked ok against
>Michigan, a top 5 team.  They managed a tie.  I give them a ton more credit 
>for that than their pasting of someone like Purdue.  Yes, they looked 
>incredible against Purdue, but then, except for California, (:-)) almost
>everyone has...
>
>SO, if a team plays a lot of top notch competition and wins, even if they 
>only barely do so, it is usually considered much more convincing than a 
>team that looks a little bit better, but against lesser talent...
>

 Well I think you just confirmed what I said...HOW you play matters.
Sure if you play better teams it will be easier to see how good a team is,
but that doesnt mean that a teams schedule says how good they are.

>
>-- 
>David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
>VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
>uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
>davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"

-Eric Jaderlund
 jade@triton.unm.edu
From: KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:44:50 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


  Penn State is one of the top programs in the country who consistently win
over top 10 teams, right!!!!  WRONG!!!  A.P. reports that in the "Joe Paterno
Era", PSU is 10-41 against teams that ended the season in the Top 10.  Now
this may be misleading because a team may be #9, loses to PSU in a bowl game
and drops out of the top 10.  But look at that record!  That is a .244 winning
percentage.  It goes to show that the Lions have built up their record on the
Eastern Michigans, Marylands and Bowling Greens of the world (I am a Maryland
fan, but facts are facts, PSU owns us, 32-1-1).  The Penn State program is
over rated and people should realize that.  After all, they have played one
ranked team all season, at home, in front of 96,000 of their own fans, and
they lost.
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From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Re: Lucky Saccas' 
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:21:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.234743.12735@ultra.com>, rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra) writes:
|> Aren't the Penn State QB brothers John and Tony Sacca lucky
|> in getting the starting job.
|> 
|> In '88 Tom Bill gets injured and is out for the year.  The
|> second string qb breaks his little finger and Tony gets the
|> starting job.
|> 
|> In '89 Tom Bill gets into alcohol related problems and loses
|> his position to Tony.
|> 
|> In '92 Kerry Collins breaks a finger and John gets the job.
|> With the season at the half way point and John playing respectably,
|> Kerry  will have to fight for the job.
|>  
|> If I were a qb I won't enroll in the same scholl as a Sacca!!
|> 
|> Rajiv
|>  
|> 
THE SCENE:  An expensive apartment somewhere in New York.  A middle-aged
Italian in an expensive suit is sitting in a chair.  Two other, younger,
rather muscular looking Italians are standing, waiting for the older man to
speak.

OLDER MAN:  Okay, boys, I got a personal favor I want you to take care of.

GOON #1:  What is it, Don Sacca?

OLDER MAN:  It seems that my son is being unfairly held back from starting
for his football team, and it's breaking his heart.  So, I want you to go
get Penn State's starting quarterback, and break his finger.

BOTH GOONS:  All right, Don Sacca.

-- 
Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half pack of
cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
"Hit it."
-The Blues Brothers

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From: joconnor@evax10.eng.fsu.edu (JAMES P O)
Subject: rule changes?? fumbles and kickoffs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords: fumblerooskie,ground,wimp
Reply-To: joconnor@evax10.eng.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution:  usa
Date: 13 OCT 92 11:34:18    

Some rules I like to see changed are:

-ground cannot cause a fumble. 
    I say if ya can't hang on to the ball as ye're punished to the 
ground, TUFF NOOGIES, HOLD ON TIGHTER! plus it would end speculation 
on whether a fumble occur before or after he hit the ground, which is 
seen often.

-Kickoffs
    If the Kicker can kick the ball thru the uprights of the recieving 
team, the kicking team shall be awarded two points. The ball will be 
placed at the receiving team's 20 yrd line and possesion belongs to 
the receiving team!             this rule would make those penalty 
yards on a scoring play which are assessed (sp?) on the following 
kickoff, more interesting. It would also be fustrating for coaches in 
a tight game. If was 17-16 with 'bout one minute of so to go, should 
the coach with 16 risk the longshot for two or risk for another 
possesion with on onside kick and try for three later! ummmmm


--->->->--------------G-O------N-O-L-E-S---------------------------------->
James O'Connor                          FSU-vs-Georgia Tech
JOCONNOR@evax.eng.fsu.edu               Oct 17, 1992   ??:00pm
"  ... I don't need this shit!"         ? Stadium, Athens-r-Atlanta
              -kinison
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From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 17:58:42 GMT

>In article <1992Oct7.185703.21882@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>>>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
                ^^^^^^^
>>>they as intense to both teams?

Why, that would have to be the BIG GAME, of course. Besides its
totally wacky finishes, and constant sellouts, the team winning the
game is easily forgiven a lackluster season. Case in point, the '90
game where a 4-6 Stanford defeated a bowl bound Cal by scoring 9
points in the last minute of the game. Also, every year before the
game, the Stanford campus is painted blue and gold by cal frat boys. On
adjacent highways, the road signs have been modified to read Stanfurd
University. To get Stanford season tickets, you call 1-800-Beat-Cal.
Every year, we have BIG GAME gaities, a bunch of skits making fun of
the cal weenies. Even the President of the University participates in
those. After that, there's a HUGE bonfire that can be seen for miles.
Thousands show up for this spectacle. A massive effigy of the Cal bear
sits atop the pile of wood, waiting to be consummed by the inferno. At
a crucial point, explosives go off, ripping the bear's head apart to
the delight of the crowd. A couple of years ago, cal frat boys
distributed hundreds of flyers around the Stanford campus announcing
that the bonfire had been cancelled. The president had to go on TV
to correct the situation. Luckily, almost everyone realized it was a
hoax, they had misspelled some words...

Anyways, you get the idea...


========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
========================================================
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ACC officiating (long)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:38:27 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

davec@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dave Crowder) wrote:
}
}                                                But all this aside, I must
}ask why does Miami hire an ACC officiating crew for a home game in the 
}Orange Bowl? 

Typically when teams contract to play each other they stipulate who
will officiate the games.  Some contracts call for the officials of
the home team, some for the officials of the visiting team, others
for split crews, and still others for "neutral" crews.  I personally
think neutral crews are the best.  (And split crews are the worst, 
because they are not used to working together.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
       "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing 
         swords is no basis for a system of government!"
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From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Subject: Re: Ohio State game thoughts
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:34:45 GMT

doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:

>6. What does Cooper have to do to keep his job?  . . .
>        . . . . . . . . . . . . .  I think he's got to either beat Michigan
>or win a bowl game to stave off the wolves.  He'll be in real trouble if we
>lose to Iowa, Michigan, and a bowl game (a real possibility).  If so, start
>getting those short lists ready.  I'll go first and suggest Glen Mason.  He
>was one of the leading contenders when Cooper was hired.  Since then, Mason
>has turned Kansas around while Cooper has struggled at Ohio State.

Excuse me, but can't we at least finish the season before people start
taking our coach away from us?  We all know that we'll have to endure another
off-season of rumors about who's going to grab him, but, geez, give us a
chance to at least have a winning season or something.



					Al
					alan@wraith.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: help on past National champs
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:22:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: twisto.1992Oct15.152216.831
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.

In article <71325@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison) wrote:
>Anyway, the following list may be what you are looking for.
>This was originally compiled by Clay Phipps and later augmented by
>myself.
>
list deleted
>
>* The mythical championship teams above were selected by the following:
>H: (1889--1923) Helms Athletic Foundation.
>R: (1924--1930) Rissman Trophy.
>K: (1931--1935) Knute Rockne Memorial Trophy.
>A: (1936--1990) Associated Press.
>U: (1950--1990) United Press International 
>C: (1950--1990) "consensus" (defined here as AP + UPI).
>

Actually the Helms Foundation continued until 1935 adding the following:

1925 Alabama
1926 Alabama and Stanford (tie)
1928 Georgia Tech
1932 Southern Cal
1935 Minnesota
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: John.Cooper.must.die.die.die
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:49:30 GMT

In article <1bc98eINN3b3@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               ) writes:
>>>> Anyway, back to my Cooper rant.  People hated Bruce because he took
>12-0 teams and went 9-3.  We now have Cooper taking 10-2 teams and going 7-4.
>Ah, well.  Who's available to coach
>
>I recall most OSU fans said Bruce was a poor recruiter and the team would be
>much better when Cooper has all of his recruits on the team.

That is why I waited until this loss to Illinois to call for his head.  I don't
think there is much doubt that OSU recruiting has improved since Cooper became
head coach.  This is his fifth year (right?), so this team should  be all his.
I think the quality is there, but Cooper hasn't been able to put ita all 
together, except for the Syracuse game.  Until this last loss I supported
him, saying just wait a while for him to get it together.  But now, I fear
that the people calling for his head over the past few years may have been
right.  The season isn't over yet, but it does not look good. (this is why I
like Miami, I have to have at least one winning team to woof for.)

jc

-- 
Wise man: "Don't think too much."
Seeker: Hmm... Wonder what he's _really_ trying to say...
============================================================
From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:14:42 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Oct15.163946.15125@infonode.ingr.com> jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks) writes:
>|> Anyone know how many "marching" bands have been asked not to return to
>|> opposing team stadiums?
>    DOES ANYONE REALLY CARE ?????
> Sorry, couldn't resist...

Sure. I've never been in a marching band, I think their boring (mostly)
as all get out, usually heavily dosed with (Wisconsin) Cheese, and I
never listen or pay attention during halftime. Nonetheless, it is part
of what, for me, makes college football enjoyable and pro football a
bore. I love hearing all these band weenies arguing over who's better,
whose more tasteless, who can play, and all that crap. People care,
people get passionate about it, and to me, that's part of the joy of the
college game. Besides, I like to gloat knowing that the best band in the
world is a mile away, and I get to see them at least once a year at the
FAMU homecoming parade!

>internet: b29!pustule!jim@ingr.com    uucp: ...uunet!ingr!b29!pustule!jim
	       ^^^^^^^
HA! You owe me. I just spewed my beverage all over my monitor!

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:24:44 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct11.071651.21261@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.231835.23782@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:

>>Don't forget, they CRUSHED Arizona. A team that managed to TIE mighty
>>Oregon State, and BARELY lost to powerhouse Cal State Fullerton...

>>Yup, definite #1 ...

>Well, an Arizona team that also managed to beat UCLA....
>I guess they are overrated as well..

If Miami were in the Pac10 they would have to struggle to fininsh
in the top half...  And if there weren't so many of the nation's
sportswriters so far from the league.....
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Goober School
Keywords: clueless, expansion
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:10:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct15.061046.13153
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <14OCT199223230962@tirith.carleton.edu> STEARNSS@CARLETON.EDU writes:
>To: Goober Smith, Dictator for Life, Goober School for the Unkneauxing and
>Clueless
>To: Cliff Slaughterbeck, Vice Dictator for Life, Goober School for the
>Unkneauxing and Clueless
>
>Well, I must congratulate Cliff on the excellent job he has done spreading the 
>Unkneauxingness up there at Husky U. and throught the PAC-10. The cluelessness
>of most of the Husky Dawgbrains is truly amazing. Except Behzad. His posts are
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>entirely too reasonable to be coming from a Husky fan. could you see to it he
>is taken care of?

  Well, I am flattered...  nice of you to notice!!  There are always 
exceptions, you know!!
  I have met Cliff, Vice Dictator for Life, Goober School for the Unkneauxing
and Clueless.  However, he wasn't able to convert me to a Goover.  But, believe
me when I say that I do have a certain degree of gooberness in me..  :)
I am more the "quietter" Husky fan!!  I also (TRULY, HONESTLY) don't give a
flying rat's booty about the MNC.  I just like watching my team play on 
Saturdays and enjoying it, as should any other college football fan...

>In fact, you are doing such a good job, Cliff, that the Unkneauxingness has
>spread to the whole conference. You have $tanfurd people saying they will go to
>the Rose Bowl, and the general PAC-10 ROOOLZ!!!!! group is quite amusing. A job
>well done.

  Yeah, Cliff has made the Stanfurd Trees WOOF themselves out of any chance 
that they might have had of getting to the Rose Bowl.  Only if we could get
some BIG-10 Goobers to WOOF Michigan out of contention, it would be nice.  I
am getting really worried about Michigan, since their fans have been way too
quiet.

>I think the time is ripe for another branch campus for the Goober School for
>the Unkneauxing and Clueless. It appears that there are many in Charlottesville
>that are excellent candidates for students. Perhaps the Blowhards would
>qualify, or maybe some of those from Folsom Field, except K.S. Manu does not a
>whole school of cluelessness make.
>
>Sincerely,
>Scott Stearns
>a 'Bama fan. (no, we're _never_ clueless ;)  

More later,

-Behzad
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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Sagarin ratings of conferences
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Oct 1992 08:41 EST  

In article <71280@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes...
> 
>ANYONE
>with a computer can put some equations in a program, read in a data file, and
>spit out numbers from now until the heat-death of the universe.  Actually, you
>don't even need a computer!  You can do calculations by hand or with a calculator
>easily enough.

This is true.  But, just because anyone can do it doesn't mean it's 
valueless.  The worth of these things varies, depending on the assumptions 
that go into the program, but they have one thing in common:  THEY CONSIDER 
ALL THE GAMES.  Which cannot be said of most of the Best Conference Woofers
, who only watch their own conference, and can't imagine one better.

>  Likewise, anyone can decide that Team X is 5 points better 
>than Team Y.  It should be noted that, the point spreads are for BETTING only.
>What I mean is that, if Team X is a 5 point fav today, but a 6 point fav
>yesterday, it means that the drop in spread results from "too many" people
>betting on Team Y.  The sole purpose of the point spread is to make the
>betting on each team as even as possible.  It is only a reflection of teams'
>strengths and weaknesses so far as the bettors see different teams in 
>defferent ways.  There is no correlation between point spread and winning or
>losing a game.

Except so far as the bettors know what they're doing.  But teams with large 
followings have more people willing to bet on them, and tend to be 
overrated in the spreads (the NY Giants leap to mind).  So I don't pay much 
attention to point spreads, or put much faith in them, and I chose not to 
include any in my computer program.

However, my conference-by-conference results weren't too much different 
from the ones posted.  The PAC-10 is definitely tough; the ACC appears to 
be rugged as well; and the SEC is still strong, with the exceptions of 
Arkansas and South Carolina.

>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P

R Dendy

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:24:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.030351.17003@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>In article <3M6-h5#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>>
>No chance.. I think Miami is going to stay unbeaten now which means they
>will be playing the highest ranked available team in some bowl game
>which probably will be A&M or FSU given their current ranking... There is
>no way Stanford is going to jump in front of these teams unless they
>beat Washington.

Or, what about Alabama???  If they beat Tennessee, they may move up some...
>
>>- Chung Yang   
>
>Njan


-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
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