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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Subwoofer drivers (10") -- Pioneer, Pyle, Crunch
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 17:51:12 GMT
Summary: Need 10" subwoofer driver recommendation
Keywords: subwoofer woofer speaker driver car audio pioneer pyle crunch

Need info on 10" sub drivers.  I have a Pyle Driver I, which is
ok, but not extremely impressive.  I also bought a Pioneer ($80,
with a poly cone), which I haven't tried yet (freq resp is good--rated
down to 18Hz).  A local store has Crunch 10" 4 ohm drivers for $72.

What I am looking for is CLEAN (NOT muddy!), accurate low end.

My question is, if the Pioneer doesn't work out, how is the Crunch?
The store selling it has NO return policy, so I can't try it out
and simply return it if I don't like it, as I can the Pioneer.

Other 10" sub drivers in the $50-$80 range? 

Thanks
Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: "mike frisch" <mike.frisch@canrem.com>
Subject: is anyone out there?
Reply-To: "mike frisch" <mike.frisch@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:16:52 EST


CT>      Do you have any recommendations on a good sub amp?   I have been
CT> looking at the Blade M504 since it can drive the sats and run a mixed
CT> mono rear at 200 for the sub.  It's got a built in Linkwitz Riley for
CT> later expansion to a second sub (my poss. application).  Any
CT> recommendations will be greatly appreciated.

     No, I don't have any good recommendations for a sub amp.  I do not
have a car audio system worth speaking of and I definitely couldn't
recommend a certain component from experience.  All I can say is that
from what I've heard and seen, HiFonics makes a very good amp, but
they're quite expensive.

CT> By the way...   Does UN: work or what.  No one on the net ever resoponds
CT> to my questions about crossovers or amps.  Maybe they're just spending
CT> too much time bickering back and forth - trying to 'flame?!'.

     The Usenet gateway works well and I've had many replies through
this newsgroup.  Your messages might be too specific for anybody to be
able to help.  I've had that happen before.

Mike.

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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: help: how to replace $600 stolen radio ?
Keywords: insurance value $600, suggestions ?
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:14:41 GMT

Here's another though.  With the crime rate being what you claim it
is.  Just by an amp.  A small four channel amp tucked under the seat
or in the dash.  Run that portable CD player of yours straight into
the amp.  The headphone output works out to be pretty much the same
as a pre-amp output.  I was very surprised at how well it works.

Take the $400 left over and buy a lot of pizza.
From: ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Need Help W/ ISOBARIC Box Design!
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:46:42 GMT
Reply-To: ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



 My friend is Interested in Buying two Kicker 12 Competition speakers,
but a standard box to put the 12's in will not fit in his hatch, he
has a 88 hyundai Excel...its like 14' high max, about 38' wide, and
it has an angle where the seats are in the back. Its around 14-18 inches
(I think) deep, deeper on the bottom because of the angle...

Anyways, I hear Isobarics would be a good solution, what i need to know
is some info on these boxes(Design, shape etc...) and possibly how to 
figure out the dimensions knowing the space in the hatch...LIke the
Car audio Stores do....I don't want to be spending hundreds of extra
dollars when I could get the wood cheap, and my friend's dad has every
tool ever made almost! 

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

 

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From: boing@mcl.ucsb.edu (Geff Hanoian)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: all you guys read this the edited version
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:17:18 GMT


	I think the point that everyone is trying to make is that it was 
	rude to post that to the world when he only has a problem in
	his dinky little POS town.  All caps is also a bad way to convey 
	an idea.  The people right on this guys street might care that he
	can't sleep but here in California I could really care less. 
	Nothing personal.



					boing
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From: ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Need info on Alphosonic PMA-2075e Amp!
Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:30:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone know how many watts this thing has, and how to Bridge it,
and any other important info....

thanks( in advance!)
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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: st1q9@rosie.uh.edu (Devine, Della M)
Subject: Re: hifonics amps
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.171435.8896@eng.ufl.edu>, brian@creek.eel.ufl.edu (Brian Gentry) writes...
>In a previous article Ruben Pesina says:
> 
>  oh yeah- why do the d-20's have a capacitor in line with a 2 ohm resistor?
>  i know why the cap is there, but the resistor seems rather pointless--it just
>  draws power from the tweet instead of letting it scream like it should...
>  any replies on that would be appreciated cuz i'm about to take it off, and am
>  not sure if it has any warranty implications. 
>  thanks
> 
>This depends upon how it is wired.  If it is like this:
> 
> +0---------------/\/\/\/\/----||-----0 + 
>                      R         C
> amp                                    tweeter
> 
>- 0-----------------------------------0 -
> 
>Then the resistor is just a pad (attenuator, shelving, etc).  But if it
>is like this:

>My guess is that it's a pad.  Stillwater probably put it there because
>it's a very efficiency tweeter.  With the resistor in place, the tweeter
>is not as efficient and it will match most midrange speakers much better.
>If you take it off the sound may become excessively bright.  On the other
>hand you might like the sound (lots of people still love the highs as loud
>as their system can get them).  One additional note.  If it is wired as
>a pad then removing it will shift the crossover point up.  If it is a four
>ohm tweeter with a 2 ohm pad then the crossover point will be multiplied
>by 1.5.
> 
>			Brian L. Gentry
>		    (brian@sioux.eel.ufl.edu)

  The resistor on the D-20's is made to control the output of the tweeter.
Yes, in fact the d-20's can get ultra loud without it but if you run an
active channel to the tweeters (no passives) then it sounds much better 
without the resistor. The D-20 is a 6ohm tweeter (measured with a meter)
and with the resistor, the full sound is more evenly distributed (if you 
use a passive xover net).

                                 william c devine ii
                               (devine@pvhep.pvamu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)
Subject: Re: Noise canceller
Organization: CDAC, WA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:04:59 GMT

In article <1ao1deINN1oo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) says:
>>  A simple question to net.wisdom:
>>  How do active noise cancelling headphones work?  Anyone?
>
>	I am not quite sure what you are asking, ( mainly the headphones
>part ). I know they are working on active noise cancellations. The basic
>	I havn't heard anything about people wearing headphones while
>driving thou. Isn't that illegal in most states?
>
  Sorry, I should have clarified. The noise-cancelling headphones are used
by pilots of aircraft and helicopters.  The principle that the automobile
makers are using is the same. ie: 180 phase shift.


-S
ssave@ole.cdac.com
From: dks@Apple.COM (dk smith)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: ALL YOU MOTHER F***ERS BETTER READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:18:04 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1a3flgINNks5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bs753@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brett J Grimes) writes:
>
>ALL YOU MOTHER F***ERS HAVE THAT G*D DAMN RAP SH*T, GOING DOWN THE
>MOTHER F***ING STREET AT 3:00 AM IN THE F***ING MORNING SH*T HAS 
>GOT TO STOP. IM SICK OF YOU MOTHER F***ERS!!!!! TURN THE F***ING SHIT
>DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT SHIT, SOME OF US HAVE A GOD DAMN JOB AND
>HAVE TO GET UP EARLY.  SO F*** ALL YALL!!!!!!!!!

Would "Freebird" cause you to change your position on this issue?
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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS BETTER READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:14:11 GMT

Oh give it a rest people.  Sure he annoyed man people, but he didn't kill
anyone.  Sure he deserved to be flamed, but you people won't let up.
He did say he was sorry (not very well, but he did do it), yet many of
you just keep pounding.  For crying out loud, yer worse than he.  Do all
of us a favor and STOP.
From: Zapper@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Zapper)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: tape player problem.
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:44:38 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

In a message dated Tue 28 Sep 92  9:50, U53966@uicvm.uic.edu wrote:

 U> Help my tape player is busted now i dont have any tunes.
 U> A Tape was stuck in the player so I fished it out!
 U> Now the radio is dead.  But if I put a tape in the
 U> thing played the tape backwards and forwards, same tape
 U> as no eject.   Now I fished the tape and put new tape
 U> but now it wont play, just keeps switching from side to side
 U> In all the radio also will not play as it thinks the tape is
 U> playing yuk please help

 U> Its a factory 89 Toyota Camry System

  I had the same problem in a Fujitsu Ten MX80 deck, and Fujitsu made many
Toyota stereos, although I beleive only those older than yours...

  At any rate, I'm sure this is a common problem with all decks... pointing
out the brands are the same is probably about as purposeful as pointing out
what kind of music was on the tape that killed it...

  Anyways, I got mine to work by taking it completely apart and cleaning
all the tiny gears in the autoreverse mechanism, plus anything along the
way...

  You can pretty much guess this is a mechanical problem... since there are
no real powerful motors in any tape deck, parts seldom physically break...
it may be something like a sensor contact has gotten dirty, or a gear
spindle is bent and out of position... Just take it apart and see what
looks wrong...

  Even if you don't find anything wrong there is a good chance that it'll
all work when it's back together anyways, that's essentially what happened
to me...

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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Adding variable resistors to speaker level signal path?
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:13:45 GMT
Summary: Problem with speaker level signal resistance/impedance?
Keywords: variable resistor speaker level amp


Just helped a friend install an amp this weekend.  The setup:

                             front speakers
                           /
   head -> cheapo eq/amp <                                        rear speakers
                           \                                    /
                             line level converter -> good amp <
                                                                \
                                                                  subwoofer

Everything but the good amp, subwoofer, and line level converter
(which are new) has been happily working for years.

The problem:

	BEFORE the good amp kicks in (the first second or two after
	       key is on), the front speakers work fine.

	WHEN the good amp kicks in, the fronts die, but the rears
	     and subwoofer work fine.

I figured the line level converter was acting as a zero-resistance
load, resulting in the entire signal from the cheapo eq/amp going
to the rears.

If this is the case, what is the best way to add some resistance to
that path?

Any comments on other possible causes?

It also has alternator/engine noise, but thats another story
(probably just a matter of adding a radio shack filter)

Thanks!
Mike
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From: rkb6116@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Weather)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: large capacitors
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.30SEP199219015790
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have seen many installations and heard much talk here about the use
of large capacitors in car audio set ups.  What are they used for?

Mr. Weather <> aka Ken Blair <> rkb6116@zeus.tamu.edu <> Aggieland USA
From: gt4960a@prism.gatech.EDU (James E. Harrell, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: CDs for car stereo
Summary: Terriffic Highs, thundering lows... RELAX!
Keywords: Frankie says no more...
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:16:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

One of my all-time favorites in sound diversity is Frankie Goes to Hollywood...

Early '84 I think, with "Relax", "When Two Tribes Go to War", etc.

This disk is fully digital, DDD, and on the back of the CD cover, the 
producers even list two "unwanted" clicks, that are about the only flaw
in the clarity of the entire disk. Several sonks have strong, deep bass,
one soung has incredible Highs, called "bang".  Incredible Air Raid siren
on one track followed by imacculately clear "warning" monologue. This voice
CAN'T be natural.

   If this is played in a good system, you might believe you were in the
auditorium at NASA on Cape Canavral, which by all means, has the BEST sounding
system I have ever heard! (They have enough money, why not?)

Try it out! Asside from having incredible sound, you might find that you like
Frankie, inspite of those aweful T-shirts spawned by the song "relax". This
truly is an artistic masterpiece!

-James

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From: simon@ivem.uucp (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: HiFonics Amps: Any Good?
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:58:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.1a867uINNlsv
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu


Are the HiFonics amps any good?  I have two 10" subs I want to drive
and I want to drive them both in 4 ohm.  What would be a good amp for it
and what would be the best way to drive them for strong, loud bass?

Thanks,
-Simon

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From: walkerr@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: amp placement
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:45:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: yoyodyne.wpi.edu

I have a '78 Ford Bronco and i plan on building 2 boxws for subs to put
behind the wheel wells.  I haven't found a good enough place to stick the
amp and was wonderig if it is ok to put it inside one of the boxes.   
Does the speaker magnet interfere somehow with the amplifier, how about crossovers?  Any help or input would be greatly appreciated.

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (jason reiser)
Subject: Re: all you guys read this the edited version
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:09:35 GMT

bs753@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brett J Grimes) writes:
> 
> My comments were not pin pointed to everyone who has a system in there
> car just the ones who have that Rap Shit. 

<deleted>

> If I pissed anyone of "sorry".
> 
> have a nice day 

Brett,
	Next time just lie and tell us that you left a terminal logged
in with your username accidentally.  It didn't bother me much as I
have gotten used to seeing this sort of language on other newsgroups,
but you sure pissed some people off.  BTW, it's usually a good idea to
look at at least say 5 posts before making your own.  Sure, if we all
talked like that, I suppose it would have been appropriate.  Not to
mention that you now attempt to withdraw the statement (if that's
possible) and go on to specify that the message was only intended for
people who listen to a specific musical catagory.  While it is not one
of my personal favorates, I would bet that there are a bunch of
subscribers who do enjoy rap and don't consider it S***.  
	Best way to earn forgiveness... offer help when someone need
it.

				- Jason
jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 10:49:59 CDT
From: <U53966@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: tape player problem.

Help my tape player is busted now i dont have any tunes.
A Tape was stuck in the player so I fished it out!
Now the radio is dead.  But if I put a tape in the
thing played the tape backwards and forwards, same tape
as no eject.   Now I fished the tape and put new tape
but now it wont play, just keeps switching from side to side
In all the radio also will not play as it thinks the tape is
playing yuk please help

Its a factory 89 Toyota Camry System
Radio on top and tape player below
kinda look like two separate units but not sure.
Send me email or post your kindly suggestions.
Thanks,   AM
U53966@uicvm
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: rap7103@summa.tamu.edu (PESINA, RUBEN ANTHONY)
Subject: hifonics amps
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:52:00 GMT

I am looking for a good small amp for my mids and highs-- I am running a pair 
of kicker d-20's and 5-1/4" pioneer mids-- the number (I think) is m-1315?.
Anyway, which would be better to run on the highs and mids: cupid or pluto.
Of course this would be into 2 ohms, so i am kinda leaning toward the pluto.
does anyone have any suggestions on any other amp(s) that are comparable to
either/or? i was also considering the coustic 160 (?--30x30) for price reasons
and i already have the coustic 460 to power my bass. any and all suggestions
welcome--including any stuff that may be for sale...

oh yeah- why do the d-20's have a capacitor in line with a 2 ohm resistor?
i know why the cap is there, but the resistor seems rather pointless--it just
draws power from the tweet instead of letting it scream like it should...
any replies on that would be appreciated cuz i'm about to take it off, and am
not sure if it has any warranty implications. 
thanks

Ruben Pesina
rap7103@zeus.tamu.edu


p.s. any specs on lanzar 10" woofers (airspace/Qes/etc...)
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Car Insurance Was Re: help: how to replace $600 stolen radio ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:03:17 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <kenCFoO00WB5NRUIEl@andrew.cmu.edu>, al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
|> Excerpts from netnews.rec.audio.car: 2-Oct-92 Car Insurance   Was Re:
|> hel.. by T.M.Haddock@usho21.hou28 
|> >    But now, if I fail to arm it and stuff happens - low 
|> >    to no dough.  Especially, not for any hi-end audio gear.
|> 
|> How the hell are they going to know whether you armed it or not?

   I don't know, but that's what the insurance guy said.

   I suppose they think some people will be silly enough to tell 
   them - "Duhh... I forgot to arm it, too."
From: teek@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Prateek Dwivedi)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS BETTER READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:15:47 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1a3flgINNks5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bs753@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brett J Grimes) writes:
>
>ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS HAVE THAT GOD DAMN RAP SHIT, GOING DOWN THE
>MOTHER FUCKING STREET AT 3:00 AM IN THE FUCKING MORNING SHIT HAS 
>GOT TO STOP. IM SICK OF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! TURN THE FUCKING SHIT
>DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT SHIT, SOME OF US HAVE A GOD DAMN JOB AND
>HAVE TO GET UP EARLY.  SO FUCK ALL YALL!!!!!!!!!

Is this the extent of your vocabulary, or is it that your parents never told
you what tact is?

Who the hell are you? This group is a forum for information about creating
car stereo systems, not playing it. Perhaps you should consider commenting
on rec.music.whiners, or the cops.

Most people here are most likely concerned with having systems that are
accurate, not loud. 

For example, my system is putting out only 25W per channel (6 ways), not 
enough for you to FUCKING hear, but enough for me to listen to my music
at almost all freqencies (granted, under 100 Hz, not much comes out). 
When I put out $1800 for equipment, it was for enjoyment, not ear bleeding.
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