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From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Subject: Re: Procedural Suggestions (was Re: Conscious decision in a dream ?)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:39:07 GMT

Original Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On Fri, 15 Jan 1993 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original Sender: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
> Mailing List:    alt.out-of-body
>
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>
> It would be nice to have a simple "reality check." I've heard in alt.dreams
> (yeah, I know, this is drifting a bit from oobe) that perpetually asking
> yourself "am I dreaming?" during *all* phases of your life will enhance
> reality checks, but I keep forgetting to do this! :-(
>
Granted this may be drifting, but it is a good reminder to keep in mind.
If you are dreaming and realize it, you're closing the gap to reach your OOBE.
Good point, Erik.

Steve
>
> --Erik
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From: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>
Subject: Re: Reality Test
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:47:07 GMT

Original Sender: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>

>
> >I think the Neurolinguistic technique of 'anchoring' or associating
> >certain mind states with common stimuli may be effective. It seems to be
> >the mechanism at work with the 'am I dreaming' routine, but in a
> >hit or miss fashion. The best approach may be to take several common,
>
>     Hmm... Neuro-something-or-the-other? Huh? Perhaps you can make it
> clearer by giving specific examples?
>
> The star gazer ***
> CC

Neurolinguistic programming is a technique for allowing people to understand
how they function as individuals. It's about opening your mind to reality,
about relating to people, in main about total communication with everything.

I won't go into long pages of description (Unless anyone is interested :-) as
there are other groups that this is mentioned in (Although not in a way that I
would like to associate with open and aware individuals :-( ), but I would be
very interested in experimenting with both NLP and Hypnosis (Which I have been
using for my own development for a couple of years), and their use in OOBEs if
anyone is interested.

I've been trying for an oobe for a few years now, ever since I read Journies of
the Body by Monroe.

Cheers,

        Joek

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From: dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon)
Subject: Re: Reality Test
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:13:26 GMT

Greeetings :-)-

Erik Bailey (ebail@ctp.com) wrote:

>I had another interesting dream over the weekend. I was riding my bike
>along a narrow ledge high up on a building, and the ledge in front of me
>suddenly ended. I knew I couldn't go backward, because there was no room to
>turn my bike around. So, I had to decide whether to jump. I agonized over
>the decision, because I couldn't decide whether I was dreaming. But I think
>I remembered the cannonballs, and these discussions, and said "What the
>hell" and jumped. IT WAS GREAT!!! An *amazing* feeling of flying (I've
>never skydived, but I imagine it was similar). BTW - I didn't end up
>hitting the ground, I basically woke up at that point.

	It happens all the time. Despite the petty little doubts we
harbour in our mind, it usually turns out all right, if it feels right
to jump. Flying is perhaps one of the most enjoyable experience in astral
land...

>>>It would be nice to have a simple "reality check." I've heard in alt.dreams
>>>(yeah, I know, this is drifting a bit from oobe) that perpetually asking
>>>yourself "am I dreaming?" during *all* phases of your life will enhance
>>>reality checks, but I keep forgetting to do this! :-(
>>
>>	That would be a little bit paranoid, wouldn't it? I do believe
>>(have believed it all along :-) that there exists a ridiculously simple
>>solution (from a 4D point of view) just crying out to be discovered. Well,
>>maybe, some day, some where, someone out there will say: "S-m-i-l-e, 
>>I've got it" :-).
>
>Paranoid, perhaps, but I suspect it works, in the same way that a dream
>diary enhances dream recall -- it just gets embedded into your system. As
>for a simple foolproof system, net.immortality awaits the one who finds it!
>:-)

	Well, if it works, it sure take a l....o......n......g...........,l
........o........n.....g                l...........o...............n....g
         t....i.....m............e. (for my case at least). I am still waiting
for it to work :).

The star gazer ***
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From: morale@lib111.its.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales)
Subject: Re: Still no success in OOBE
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:09:17 GMT

locatech@tron.gun.de (Joerg Loehn) writes:

>Hi everybody...

>I tried to have an OOBE since 2 months now. I can separate one or both hands
>or one leg. If I concentrate on having an OOBE I feel that I'm on the right
>way, but there is something, that makes me not leaving my body.
>There is another fascinating thing. When I try to go OOBE I always have
>a small light somewhere in my room, so that I can see something if I succeed
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can see even in total darkness when you are OOB. The light is not
necessary.

>in having an OOBE. After a while of concentration i open my eyes and
>concentrate on one point in the room. After a few seconds my vision suddenly
>becomes unklear and the intensity of my small light seem to increase very
>much.

This is due to your focusing your eyes on a light for too long...
Don't do this. The unclearness is due to after images in your eyes.
You should have learned of this on grade school(I don't mean to insult).


> I think that's the beginning of separation.

It is not.

> At this point I close
>my eyes again, cause I fear that they would remain open while I have an
>OOBE.

They won't. While you are OOB, your body maintains all its autonomous
systems working i.e.: heartbeat, breathing,hormones, BLINKING.

> But if I never open my eyes while trying to have an OOBE nothing like
>the above happens.
>Could anybody of you explain me a technique to go OOBE with eyes closed?

>Perhaps there is simply something I do wrong...

If I could help you here, I would. All my OOBEs have been spontaneous.
So I'm not sure what I'm doing when they happen.

>so long...
I hope this helped you understand better. I don't want you to
go a wrong way about it.
There are many books on how to go OOB. You could get one of these and
practice the techniques the author has. OOBEs are as individual as 
any other human activity. Just like learning to ride a bike is getting
a few hints i.e. "get balanced" "pedal" "keep the wheels straight" and
you take these as just guidelines and learn to do your own way. So it
is with OOBEs. Books or people who know can give you hints i.e.:
-relax
-stay warm(sheet or blanket)
-eyes closed (works for me)
-don't fall asleep while trying(happens a lot)
-don't eat or drink anything for a couple of hours before trying.
-empty your bladder(don't want to have to go while you are trying[you won't 
do it on yourself, but you won't be able to go OOB if you are distracted by
that need])

and then you go and try to have your OOBE and do it your way and what works
for you is fine.
>             Joerg


Enrique

P.S. Good luck.

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From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: Last night's dream!
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:32:11 GMT



Sorry,this interpretatjust seemed so ovios!

frienly
Olli Pajul
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From: dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon)
Subject: Re: Still no success in OOBE
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:15:50 GMT

Greetings and Peace :-)-

Enrique Morales (morale@lib111.its.rpi.edu) wrote:

>> But if I never open my eyes while trying to have an OOBE nothing like
>>the above happens.
>>Could anybody of you explain me a technique to go OOBE with eyes closed?
>
>>Perhaps there is simply something I do wrong...
>
>If I could help you here, I would. All my OOBEs have been spontaneous.
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^
>So I'm not sure what I'm doing when they happen.

	This one caught my attention :-). I guess I had a couple of days
leave so I am catching up on all the latest postings in this newsgroup.
If you can talk about it, would you care to explain how these events
happen spontaneously to you, I mean, is it through hypnosis, visits to
the dentists or what.

The star gazer ***
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From: dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon)
Subject: Re: Reality Test
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:23:31 GMT

Greetings and peace :-)-
windsphire@daryl.colorado.edu wrote:

>>>>It would be nice to have a simple "reality check." I've heard in alt.dreams
>>>>(yeah, I know, this is drifting a bit from oobe) that perpetually asking
>>>>yourself "am I dreaming?" during *all* phases of your life will enhance
>>>>reality checks, but I keep forgetting to do this! :-(
>
>I missed the origins of this thread... it seems like there are two issues
>to reality checks... One is remembering to make them, or having them 
>auto-initiated based on some stimuli (which seems to be the principle behind
>the dreamlight), and another, related issue, is what types of tests to 

	The first issue would be a non-issue I presume. At the moment
when you get caught up in Reality, (meaning you are confused :-), you would
naturally wish to have some means to test it, and if you have a method
handy in your mind, you will be able to use it right there and then.

>perform. One classical technique I've found effective (although not always
>applicable) is to read any text that is present, look away, and then 
>read it again. If it says the same thing the second time, you are probably
>awake, if not, you are most likely dreaming. I haven't tested this 
>technique with oobe. As for the former... remembering to make the checks,

	I suspect this does not work ALL the time, and like the flying
test mentioned elsewhere, would not be a good candidate for RT.

>I think the Neurolinguistic technique of 'anchoring' or associating
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>certain mind states with common stimuli may be effective. It seems to be
>the mechanism at work with the 'am I dreaming' routine, but in a
>hit or miss fashion. The best approach may be to take several common,

	Hmm... Neuro-something-or-the-other? Huh? Perhaps you can make it
clearer by giving specific examples?

The star gazer ***
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From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Subject: Re: Religion
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:24:22 GMT

Original Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On 15 Jan 1993 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original Sender: br640@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason A. Best)
> Mailing List:    alt.out-of-body
>
>
>      I have a question to all of you: Are any of you Christian? Is there
> anyone out there that thinks this interferes with the Christian religion?
> My friend tells me this stuff is Satanic, and it is consulting mediums, etc.
> In my opinion, he hasn't given me a solid reason yet....
> Just want your views
> -Jason Best
> --


On addressing the religious issue, religion is (or, as I hold it) a
personal matter.  I, myself, do not agree with organized religion.  The
relationship between one and the deity of their choice must be personal.  To
take someone elses views on anything does not allow your own feelings to be
heard.  Whether you're Christian, Buddhist, or atheistic (like myself) is only
important to you.  If you place 100% of yourself into your faith, you will
know what to do and what not to do.  Placing that much into one's faith is
difficult, but that is the goal...isn't it?

Golly, maybe I'm wrong...maybe.

Steve


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From: br640@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason A. Best)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Some Questions from a Newbe
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:52:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, I ordered one of Monroe's Hemi-Sync tapes.....


still waiting for something to happen...(It's been a few months)
So, I figure it was a waste, but I'll let someone else try it....
Maybe it will work for one of my friends...
-Jason Best
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From: llclark@hubcap.clemson.edu (Lisa Louise Clark)
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Subject: NEEDED: HELP WITH PROJECTING.
Keywords: Projection.
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:45:47 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Clemson University

Hi,
I have been trying to Astral Project for 3 years. I have tried several tapes,   and have worked with several books. Nothing seems to work. I can get very
relaxed, but then I feel an urge for a muscle spasm. Sometimes voluntary,       sometimes involuntary. It is in different places too. It is usually my legs     that feel it first though. Can anyone give me any tips, tell me what the        spasms mean, help me? I REALLY WANT TO ASTRAL PROJECT!!!!!!!
                                  Thanks,
                                    Lisa
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From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Subject: SUBJECTS NEEDED FOR PSYCH. STUDY
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:10:30 GMT

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From: mknip@niksula.hut.fi (Mats Anders Knip)
Subject: Re: Are you getting this message?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:32:09

>   Original Sender: Joe Karthauser <cogs.sussex.ac.uk!joek>
>
>   Hi,
>
>       I'm trying to post via the OOBE-Relay. Is anyone getting this message?
>
>   I'm wondering as I've already posted twice and although I got copies of the
>   messages I didn't see any feedback!!!!
>
>   Cheers,
>
>       Joek

Yeps. We can see you alright, the same goes for your previous message.
I guess everybody thought "well, somebody else will reply to this so
I won`t" and nobody did. Anyway, here you are.
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From: actrix.co.at!paul (Paul Gillingwater)
Subject: Re: Still no success in OOBE
Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:16:26 GMT

Original Sender: actrix.co.at!paul (Paul Gillingwater)

How about an inner-body experience?  A close friend of mine often has
interesting subjective states or hypnogogia, wherein she receives
various insights into non-apparent processes.  She told me that on one
occasion she believed that she actually got in touch with the "body
consciousness", i.e. a living entity that actually is responsible for
regulating the autonomous processes within one's own organism.  This is
well documented in some occult literature, which talks about the "body
elemental".  In some sources it is described as the aggregation of the
small lives of each cell, and its special kind of intelligence is
dedicated to maintaining the life processes.

My point is, you don't always have to go out -- you can explore inner
space too.

--
paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater)
Home Office in Vienna, Austria

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From: morale@jec306.its.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales)
Subject: Re: Still no success in OOBE
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:41:41 GMT

dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg (Teo Pit Koon) writes:

>Greetings and Peace :-)-

>Enrique Morales (morale@lib111.its.rpi.edu) wrote:


>>If I could help you here, I would. All my OOBEs have been spontaneous.                                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>So I'm not sure what I'm doing when they happen.

>	This one caught my attention :-). I guess I had a couple of days
>leave so I am catching up on all the latest postings in this newsgroup.
>If you can talk about it, would you care to explain how these events
>happen spontaneously to you, I mean, is it through hypnosis, visits to
>the dentists or what.

They almost always happen when I am going to sleep. Instead of dreaming,
I find myself in the vibrational state and go from there. Once it 
happened after a night of intense sexual activity. There is a theory
that OOBEs are just lucid dreams, but on the count of that last one(ms SO
was there to describe what happened to me while I was gone) I think they are
real. As to how I get OOB, I don't know... if I knew I'd be telling you
about it...  I just seem to find myself there.

>The star gazer ***
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