HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Antique Map Dealers?
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:38:17 GMT

Dave Bernard (dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM) wrote:
> Anyone know of any antique dealers within the UK that
> specialize in old maps (ie, >100 yrs old)?
> 
> 	Tnx,
> 	Dave

Hmmm.  The trade in old maps has reached the point where antique books
containing them are more valuable dismembered than in one piece.  See the
New Yorker, circa 1987, for an article describing the activities of a
particularly pathological dealer in New York City.  Very dodgy business.
Lots of people with more money than sense, and plenty of dealers
ready to rape the past for a quick kilobuck.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:15944 soc.culture.celtic:7348
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Chammers ( Was Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there)
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Nov13.181903.27321@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>From article <CC.92Nov13115602@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, by cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke):
>
>b) Your point about french is interesting because in a couple of
>postings back I metioned the word chammers (dormitory for farm workers)
>which assume is from the french word chambre. 


From one of my favorites, sentimental renditions on request :-):

"Will Ye Gang Luve?"

My luve he stauns by yon chaumer door,
Combin doon his yella hair,
His curly locks I like to see,
I wonder if my luve minds on me?

>c) It should also be remembered that Burn's family came from the NE of
>Scotland. Whilst I lived in Glasgow I never came across anyone fron
>Ayrshire who spoke like the people from the NE.

You jest, surely :-) While living in Glesca, on the rare occasions I
met anyone from Ayrshire - particularly a farmer - we were largely
unable to converse. A similar problem I encountered when I lived in
Aberdeen, where great sport was made not so much of of my Glesca accent
but of my Glesca intonation :-(.

( Oops -  may I say that some people seem able to undertand me sometimes)

>
>d) Finally, hows this for a debating point (re. French influence).
>I always wonder why the Scots accepted the Reformation movement, while
>the Irish (who had a comparable cultural background) remained Catholic.
>My possibly, rather simple, solution is that both cultures were more
>willing to associated themselves with a religious movement that was the
>opposite of the nation that was trying to achieve hegemony over them.
>In the case of the Irish, they were having problems with the English,
>while the Scots were having more problems with the French (Mary of
>Guise(sp?)) than they were with the English. Comments?


Um, er.. I`d always assumed that everyone was muckle-pissed off
with the Catholic church then and it seemed entirely reasonable to ditch
it. Why did the Irish stick with it??

M

--
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: JANET/Internet
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:35:34 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <rhaller-131192104944@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>will look just like another Internet site to other Internet sites.
>Otherwise, while you will be able to send e-mail, but not 'talk'.
>
>Keep in mind, however, that just because a site has JIPS does not mean it
>will necessarily accept all the possible types of tcp/ip based traffic. It
>may filter and discard certain kinds of packets from all or some sites, or
>it may not have the necessary software running at it's end to accept
>certain types of connections like 'talk'. The thing to do is to try it. You
>will either get a connection or something like 'not in host tables' or
>'connection refused'.
>
>For example, I was able to telnet to hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk, but I couldn't
>finger or talk to it (connection refused).

But that is nothing to do with the JIPS vs. X.25 thing.  _Any_ Internet
machine may refuse 'finger' or 'talk' connections, or anything else, at
the discretion of its management. If you can telnet to it, it is on the
IP-addressed Internet and is no different from any other Internet machine.
(Btw, 'talk' is not a standard Internet protocol.)

The point to realise here is that mail is special. Not only is there a
special naming mechanism (MX records) to support mail redirection; the
real point is that the string you put in the To: field is just a string.
A mailer can do whatever it wants with it - it can interpret it as an
X.400 address or UUCP path if it looks like one, and send them by an
appropriate route or to an appropriate gateway.  So a mailer that accepts
address beginning 'UK...' may well be sending it to an SMTP-GreyBook
gateway rather than turning it round and looking it up in the DNS.

Of course, all this will become even more complicated as people convert
to '.gb'...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban,misc.legal
From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Line item veto (was: Re: The amazing disappearing British Constitution)
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:55:12 GMT

smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>> If "politics as usual" still applies, will Clinton also object to the lack
>> of a line-item veto?  (Since now the President, and the majority of both
>> houses are all in the same party?)
>
>According to the AP, Clinton is pushing for a line-item veto.  As with
>Reagan and Bush's request, this would apply only to spending bills.
>Contrary to the original poster's assertion, it has nothing to do with
>attaching non-germane amendments to bills.

Looks like he will get it, too -- with the compromise being that Congress
could overturn a line-item veto with a simple majority.  Hmmm.  May not
be terribly effective -- but then few states' governors actually line-item
more than 1-2% of their state budgets.

>Hmm -- not very ULish.  OK -- I seem to recall hearing that in one state
>(Wisconsin, I think), the governor's line-item veto is implemented by
>giving the governor the power to delete any objectionable sections of
>a bill.  On one bill, the governor crossed out individual words and
>letters to give it the exact opposite sense than had been intended by
>the legislature -- and the courts upheld this as within the letter (so
>to speak) of the law.

Essentially this is correct.  The governor in question was Tony Earl,
and he amended a bill supported by his own party!  The year was approximately
1985.  I admire someone with the wit and chutzpah to do THAT.  Alas, his
political career seems to be over.

-- 
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lovely recession...er, reception."     | dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us |  about
    -- George Bush                     | Birch Grove Software      | Rotaract!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:10:50 GMT

In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov
(LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
|>Some of my Canadian readers have complained to the lab at which one of
my accounts
|>is based, in an attempt to have me prevented from using the vax from which I
|>usually access usenet.  It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
|>their awful and intensely boring country, they would rather try to construct
|>a case for interfering with my legitimate work.
|>
|>So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt
has failed,
|>and if I were to stop using the vax in question there are many other places
|>from which I can access usenet.
|>
|>Laurence
|>
 I'm new to this group but.... is this guy for real!?!?
            
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: Not Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:07:30 GMT

anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes:
: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
: 
: then you have
: >to go and slime the half of the human race which DOESN'T generally
: >start flame wars on usenet.
: 
: >It has been said (by me) that women are always getting sh*t for
: >behaving for several days of each month the way that men do
: >all the time.  
: 
: Right on Sue!  Hear!  Hear!!!  (I'm not willing to add a smiley, but
: I AM willing to acknowledge that this is not true of ALL men.
: Probably some of the ones who consider themselves exceptions
: SHOULDN'T, however.)

Oh no, what a tragedy.  LAURENCE GODFREY is now managing to force
a wedge between the two founding sexes of Canada.  Will the division of
Canada never cease?

My new theory is that LAURENCE GODFREY is not a multiple personality with
Mike Godfrey after all.  Rather, he's actually a pseudonym used by
Brian Mulroney. After the failure of the referendum, Mulroney-cum-GODFREY 
is attempting to unite Canadians against a common enemy. Given Mulroney's 
natural incompetence, however, his plan is having the opposite effect.

-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
From: microsoc@black.ox.ac.uk (Marc B.A. Read)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: What's the name of the Cambridge bookshop?
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:54:31 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U
Originator: microsoc@black

In article <MATTHEW.92Nov17143346@eeyore.uk.tele.nokia.fi> matthew@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) writes:
>
>The one you're probably after is "Heffers" which has a chain of 4 or 5 shops
>scattered over the town with one fairly hefty one opposite St. John's
>college.  Since the '70s though Cambridge has aquired an enormous number of
>new bookshops causing me to wonder whether it has the highest bookshop
>density in Britain (outside of Charing Cross road of course).

A claim for superiority from Cambridge? Let me put in a bid for Oxford...

>  At the last count we have:
>
>Heffers, Heffers Children's, Heffers Antiquarian, Heffers Paperback & Video,
>Dillons, Waterstones, the C.U.P. Bookshop, W.H. Smith, Galloway & Porter
>(Sidney St) and Galloway & Porter (Green St).

Hmmm... Blackwell's, Blackwell's Children's, Blackwells Music & Rare Books,
Blackwell's Art & Posters, Blackwell's Paperback, Blackwell's Map & Travel,
Dillons, The Book Sale, the OUP Bookshop, the Classics Bookshop, WH Smith....
>
>That covers the mainstream bookshops in the centre.  There's then also six
>antequarian and second hand bookshops and two religious bookshops that I can
>think of plus three second hand book market stalls and a bookfair every now
>and again in the guildhall.  Oh, and the bookshop down Mill Road.  And the
>Heffers in the Grafton Centre.
>
Hmmm.. Secondhand etc... Thornton's, Waterfield's, The Inner Bookshop,
that Rare Books place on the High, the Little Bookshop, Oxfam.
Religious: St Aldate's, the Newman-Mowbray.

>What I want to know is, how do they all stay in business?

Same here!>
>
>Matthew
>

Marc
>--
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Fish and chips
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:41:25 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <359t02zN2bhg01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
~Today's lunch special in the Amdahl cafeteria, Fish & chips & cole slaw:
~
~Me:            Fish and chips please, but no cole slaw

In the Exxon cafeteria some days we had cole slaw and some days we had
hot slaw.

No kidding.




-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

"I have to scan these posts in case Jeremy includes some line
out of context in his .sig" - FriendOfFernandoKhomeini.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:57:54 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: Some of my Canadian readers have complained to the lab at which one of my accounts
: is based, in an attempt to have me prevented from using the vax from which I
: usually access usenet.  It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
: their awful and intensely boring country, they would rather try to construct
: a case for interfering with my legitimate work.
: 
: So much for free speech in God's own country!  Anway, their attempt has failed,
: and if I were to stop using the vax in question there are many other places
: from which I can access usenet.
: 
: Laurence

Top 10 list of L. Godfrey Pev Peeves (continued)

10. Canada and Canadians.
 9. Germany and Germans.
 8. South Americans; Africans; Saracens; non-English Europeans; 
    people with continuous eyebrows; ...
 7. Those NRC bastards.
 6. While warming up coffee in the atomic accelerator, 
    accidentally vapourizing the cup. 
 5. Usenet thought police  (see above)
 4. Madonna unjustly excluding him from a spread in _Sex_ book
 3. NBC maliciously passing him over as host of the Tonight Show
 2. Being ignored by Ross Perot as vice Presidential running mate
 1. Being confused with Mike Godfrey  

    [ to be continued? ]

Apologies to Laurence and Mike.  (All in fun.)
-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:19:00 GMT

In article <By6Gp1.Ens@DMI.USherb.CA>, turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)     writes...
>In article <23NOV199202083860@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov23.055848.4892@mdivax1.uucp>, robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)  writes...
>>>LAURENCE GODFREY (godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov) wrote:
>>I know, but a few will.  And it takes only a few for the word to get around.
>>
>>Laurence
>>
> 
>EVERYBODY knows you are a Dickhead... Word doesn't need to get around...
> 
>I suggest you get on with your life!  Go play with yourself or something...
> 
In the light of these remarks, i have  broken with network etiquette and posted the email
I received from David Turgeon:

From:	19642::LG           23-NOV-1992 11:54:42.23
To:	SSCVX1::_GODFREY
CC:	
Subj:	

From:	SSCVX1::SMTP%"turgd00@dmi.usherb.ca" 20-NOV-1992 00:12:13.15
To:	"19642::LG"@SSCVX1.SSC.GOV
CC:	
Subj:	Re: Canadian free speech in action

Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:09:47 -0500
From: DAVID TURGEON <turgd00@dmi.usherb.ca>
Message-Id: <199211200009.AA15373@tohi.DMI.USherb.CA>
To: "19642::LG"@SSCVX1.SSC.GOV
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action

That is a much better text than your 1st post !

Hey I even agree with some of it.... you should Post it to the concerned
newsgroups...

The goverment here sucks !!  taxes are at 55%, gas, cigarettes and booze
are at an all time high !!  Our defecit is HUMUNGOUS (Spelling?)

maybe thats why I want Quebec to seperate !! I'm not saying we are better,
but I beleive we can make it on our own better !!

TTYL

> 
> 
> 
>-- 
>David Turgeon                        Computer Science Student
>(819) 823-BILL                       University of Sherbrooke (Quebec)
> 
>"GOOD Judgment comes from experience....Experience comes from BAD Judgment"
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Windsor Castle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 05:41:50 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Barbara Nowak-Teufl) writes:

-
- Well, this is monday and today we know that the Queen's private rooms includi
- the representation hall etc. have been heavily damaged.  I heard that the
- complete restitution of Windsor Castle will be financed at the public expense
-
- My question to the british netters:
- Do you all agree in paying for the Queen's private possess from your taxes?
-
- P.S.: I personnally would agree in paying for the restitution of the
-       representation hall because it is used for official reasons in the
-       States interest (Banquettes for foreign Statesmen etc.). But I would
-       also say that this depends on wether the annual appanage for the Queen
-       is also for maintaining the complete household. If I had to pay for
-       private rooms that are never show to the public I would be quite angry.
- --
- Barbara Nowak-Teufl           barba@patty.gud.siemens.co.at
- Tel. 0043 1 222 60171 5768    SIEMENS AUSTRIA

  I believe, IMHO, that Her Majesty, possessing so much assets, should foot
most of the bill, and the government should concentrate on other more import-
ant areas.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Death Duties
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:08:29 GMT


I was having a discussion with a colleague about the Death Duties
as imposed in Britain subsequent to WW2. What we were wondering was 
what sort of percentage were they? 

I recall Giles cartoons about Ye Stately Homes being sold or made
into tourist attractions, and was also wondering how and when they
were brought in.

thanks,
-- 
thos cohen                  ,not a typo        |Softway Pty Ltd
"It's not so bad to be a lair but a conniving  |ACSnet:         thos@softway.oz
 egomaniac is not really that socially accept- |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
 able."  SMH, 2 Nov 92, P. Keating vs J. Hewson|Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger)
Subject: Jelly Baby Art
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:46:11 GMT


How to make Jelly Baby art (A Baker's dozen):

1.	Jelly Babies are art.  (No reworking required)   
                     ^^^ 
2. 	Bite Jelly Babies into constituent parts (head, torso,
	legs, arms etc.).  Re-arrange and stick together as appropriate.
	Attempt anatomically correct Jelly Baby.

3.	Bite several Jelly Babies into constituent parts.  Fun n'
	thrills mixin' and matchin' colours.  "Benetton Jelly Baby" etc.

4.	Bite several Jelly Babies into constituent parts and assemble
	into one gi-normous Jelly Baby.  Desirable effects:  monster
	Jelly Baby, Satan/demon Jelly Baby etc.

5.	Procedures 2,3,4 above may be performed with scalpel etc. for
	convincing, surreal Jelly Baby effects... e.g. Lime Jelly
	Baby with Blackcurrent eyes etc.

6.	Procedures 2,3,4 may be performed with blunt instrument for
	urban realism effect.

7.	Melt Jelly Baby with lighter, matches etc.  Control is of the
	essence here.  Attempt twisted Jelly Baby, Jelly Baby in hell etc.
	"Jelly Baby carbon face" is a perennial crowd-pleaser.

8.	Microwave Jelly Baby for Jelly Baby puddle/river/lake/amorph etc.
	or microwave lighlty for subtle "warm Jelly Baby" effect.

9.	Dip Jelly Baby in handy liquid.  Squash Baby, Cola Baby,
	Scrumpy Baby, Jelly Baby in Bitter and and Ginger Beer Baby are
	known favourites.  Note textural changes to Jelly Baby exoskeleton.
	Sentimental favourite:  Jelly Baby dipped in tea.

10.	Sink Jelly Baby in handy liquid.  Fish bowl effect...e.g.
	Frogman Jelly Baby etc.  Interesting lighting effects as
	in "yellow Jelly Baby drowning in orange liquid".

11.	Compress Jelly Baby in palm of hand, under foot etc.
	Note textural transfer/potential mangling effect.

12.	Remove selected surfaces of Jelly Baby parts, fold n'stick.
	Observe Jelly Baby fellating self, Jelly Baby ring n' Jelly
	Baby hand-hold chain (as on package).

13.	Jelly Babies are art.
		     ^^^

Pundits suggest Jelly Baby dancing, Jelly Baby performance art, Jelly
Baby symphony, Jelly Baby theatre etc.  

These procedures, whilst conceptually interesting, regrettably cannot 
be recommended at this time.

-T'ain' th'urtlin' o'er th'edges what 'urts th'orses 'ooves.
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:04:33 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.224610.11549@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>In article <1ds94jINNg1j@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Nov11.121441.17722@cas.org>, jac54@cas.org writes:
>>> 
>>> 	About 18 months ago, the "Economist" observed that property
>>> 	crime rates in some areas of Britain were approaching those
>>> 	in the U.S.  The murder rate per head of population is about
>>> 	12-fold higher in the U.S. than it is in the U.K.
>>
>>Last year, the same "Economist" published a chart showing
>>that you were statistically safer in Northern Ireland than
>>in Washington DC.
>>
>>But we chewed over all this a year ago.   Second Amendment
>>fans have a zillion ways to explain why this kind of thing
>>doesn't matter.    I certainly won't post further on the
>>subject.
>>
>>jon.
>
>As a right wing loon, I'll post on it:

Nonesense, you are obviously a remarkably clear-thinking
and intelligent individual. I propose that, by the powers
vested in USENET, we make you an honourary British Citizen.
Do I here "aye!"?

PAUL
>
>I used to be a big second ammendment fan, but I've lost
>most of my enthusiasm for it.  The liklihood of individual
>citizen gun owners contributing to the regulation of the
>Militia is next to nill.  On the other hand, we are being
>regulated into hiding by the proliferation of hand guns
>in our drug infested cities.
>
>They say that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
>But people with guns kill a lot more people than people
>without 'em.  Since the government has the power anyway,
>I say let's control them the way you do in Britain.
>
>Now, what shall we do about those 18th Century marble
>busts?
>
>Gerry Palo