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From: alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just emulate it.
Keywords: n
Organization: McGill University - Montreal, CANADA.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 05:18:08 GMT


Some of us remember that the author of the above comments was the same person
advocating the Atari a few years ago. Yes, Atari's woes are Atari's fault
(although IBMonitis plays a key role in this situation; just ask Amiga and
Mac owners) and yes, the Tramiels are probably the worst thing that could 
have happened to Atari (at least the sons) and yes, I see very little 
future in the Atari as a platform. Too little, too late, too bad.

	If memory serves, you advertised the GEMulator over a year ago in
some Atari mags and I am frankly surprised that your product is not out yet.
Just a friendly reminder that some Amiga owners are getting ready to lynch
Jim Drew of Utilities Unlimited for being 3 months late on an
announced product's release date.

	How easy it is to point an accusing finger, n'est-ce-pas ? Take
a good look at yourself before you judge another man, lest a third party
judge you just as harshly and do release you product on time, just this
once. You said "in a few days"; now, let's see... Why, that's in 21 days or 
less ! Let's see you keep your promise for once.


Alexandre Rousseau.

P.S.: 	Some fellow well dwellers may discern a slightly antagonistic tone to
	this response. They are correct.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dcheenne@unlinfo.unl.edu (Dominique J. Cheenne)
Subject: 32 bit Quickdraw on a Plus ?!
Keywords: quickdraw
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:43:22 GMT

There has been a couple of post lately about netters willing to add the
32-bit Quickdraw software to the System folder of their Pluses or Se's.
(standard or accelerated).

Can this work? I fail to see how an SE of Plus ROM can manage this task
with their 3 bit Quickdraw definition..?

Enquiring mind wants to know....

Dominique J. Cheenne

dcheenne@unlinfo.unl.edu
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: hqx question (new user)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:47:40 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Hello, all.  I hope I'm asking this to the right group.

I have been a PC user for years, but because of some graduate work I'm doing,
I need to get up to speed on macs.  In trying to download mac stuff from ftp
sites, I've noticed that all of the files are hqx, sit, sea or dde.  I realize
these are all compress extensions, so I went into a util directory to get some
uncompress files (binhex for hqx, etc), but those files were compressed too.
My question is: how do I get executable versions of binhex, etc?

If this is a stupid question, I apologize, you know us PC peoplel...


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:49:34 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <ajross.714945490@husc9> ajross@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:

>I was actually refering to the System 7 upgrade.  The finder went through
>some major changes (to say the least); and yet apple seems to feel that
>handing it free to someone with only online docs is an acceptable means of
>distributing an OS.  This is another matter of taste, but I WANT printed
>documentation for my software.  

This is the basic problem.  You can't even *conceive* of an operating
system that doesn't *require* documentation.  You've been conditioned,
from working with PCs, to believe that power and complexity are the
same thing.  They aren't.  They're opposites.

>This is over-rated.  In my experience, Mac software is no more consistent
>than most windows software; 

Well, if that's true, you haven't actually looked at any Macintosh
software.  To take the simplest possible example,  all Macintosh
programs use the same command-keys for cut, paste, and copy men items
(cmd-X, V, and C, respectively).  Every Windows program I have uses
*different* keystrokes for those.  Moreover, the Macintosh command-keys
can be accomplished in a single keystroke; Windows programs usually
require two or three.  Likewise, every Macintosh program uses cmd-O
to open a file, cmd-S to save a file, and cmd-Q to quit a progam.  
In Windows, again, it depends on the individual program.  Windows 
programmers can't even agree on the *name* of the quit command. In
some Windows programs, it's "quit"; in others, it's "exit"; and in
still others, it's "close." 

>Fair enough.  Again, this is out of my league.  (By the way, what exactly
>IS Macintax).

Macintax is, surpise, a *tax* package.  Since you couldn't pick 
this up from the name, I guess I'd better break down and tell
you that it was developed first on the Macintosh.  Mac...in...tax,
get it?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: bberqu@sagpd1 ()
Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Summary: This cracks me up
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:20:04 GMT

In article <ewright.714853873@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> In <714823281.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Kaz.Karl@f1138.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Kaz Karl) writes:
> 
> >Oh, be real...Perhaps you can buy an si for $2500, but that 
> >clunky machine is the equivilant of the 396SX I just got for 
> >a client for six hundred new...
> 
> Be real yourself.  I use a 20 MHz 386 at work -- A real 386,
> not the crippleware SX version.  (There's no such thing as
> a 396, by the way.)  We paid over $7000 for the hardware and
> software.  After struggling with this machine and its miserable

I just bought an LCII, and wouldn't trade it for a "240SX", maybe 
for a 300ZX.  I use PCs and Macs at work and hate every second I'm on those 
"396SX"s. I sure do wish all the PC guru's (cough) would get their facts 
straight, And by the way if these people hate macs so much, why are they 
reading this news group anyway, go back to comp.sys.pc of junk. 

BB

Remember ********* PC *********** JUST SAY NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Craig Suchland <suchland@arco.com>
Subject: Re: Listening to CDs on a Mac
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6CA63924D018C09@craigs.net-aai.com>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 2 Sep 92 21:26:58 GMT
Organization: ARCO Alaska, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:27:07 GMT

Re: Listening to CDs on a Mac

Don't forget Craig Marciniak's excellent shareware application CARP
(Craig's Audio ROM Player) which you should be able to find at sumex-aim.
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Does StyleWriter do envelopes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:25:20 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep1.194446.6879@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, kreme@nyx.cs.du.edu (Not A Random Name) writes:
>
> I've printed off literaly hundreds of envelopes, both feeding from the back
> and from the front with very little problems.
>
> A few pointers:
>
> 	Feeding from the back is better, but it works well enough in most
> 	cases from the front.  If you have one or two envelopes to print
> 	there's no reason to take off the sheet feeder.

I've always done mine through the back, just to be safe. But why do you need
to take off the sheet feeder at all?

> 	MAKE SURE to change the thickness setting.  This is very important.
> 	And be sure to change it BACK as well.

I've never bothered with this. But then, I haven't printed hundreds of
envelopes--only a few dozen over the past 15 months I've had the printer.

The main skill I had to master was feeding the envelope through straight.
But it only took about three or four tries before I got the hang of this.
From: lussier@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Danielle Lussier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: info on printers wanted...
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:13:42 GMT
Distribution: na


Hi, all.

I'm considering buying a new printer for my Mac Classic II.  Does 
anyone know how many pages the StyleWriter prints per cartridge, as
opposed to the Personal LaserWriter?  

Any other comments as to the relative merits of the two would also
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Danielle Lussier
lussier@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:19:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.ajross.715015143

dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:

>I realize you can probably get a machine for the price you mention, 
>but I doubt seriously that it would be of very high quality.  The memory
>alone would set you back about $600 (USD), which leaves
>about $1900 for the remainder of your configuration.  A *good* monitor
>runs a good $500, so you're down to $1400.  Subtract another $600 for the
>200 MB drive, $800 left over.  And for $800, you're going to get a good
>quality 486/50 *with* a SCSI card and a good video card.  Yeah, right.

>Oh, yeah, will this machine be FCC Class B certified (or its foreign
>radio frequency emissions standard equivalent)?   Oh, so you don't mind
>trashing up your neighbor's TV?  (Side note: testing a machine for
>certification isn't cheap.)  And will it come with built-in networking?
>Plug-and-play video (I have yet to see this)?

>Basically, you're comparing (literally) Apples to oranges.  For a PC
>made with the quality of the Mac, you're going to have to go with one
>of the major vendors, Compaq, Dell, and Gateway (the cheaper ones; IBM
>*will* get blown out).  These guys know that good quality cases, materials,
>and components are bought at a price.  THey're relatively inexpensive,
>but not to the level you cite for your hypothetical machine.  Personally,
>I think *way* too many people are ignoring the radio emissions of the
>cheapo clones.  They *will* mess with your neighbor's television.

From the August 1992 Computer Shopper:

Gateway 2000 33 MHz 486DX
4MB RAM, 64K SRAM Cache
200MB 15ms IDE Drive (SCSI will be extra, maybe +$150)
ATI Graphics Ultra Coprocessed Video Card (1024 x 768 x 8 bit, Non-Interlaced)
14" 1024 x 768 Non-Interlaced Monitor, .28mm dot pitch
Mouse, DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1, Choice of 1 Microsoft Software Package

Total: $2395


Dell 486P/33 (33 MHz 486)
4MB RAM
120 MB Hard Drive (unspecified type, prob. IDE, see above)
Ultrascan 14C 14" Monitor (1024 x 768, .28mm dot pitch)
OS/2 2.0 (so I'm told, I haven't called yet to confirm that Dell is
     Shipping w/ OS/2)

Total $2499


These are simply the advertised prices (Compaq doesn't quote prices in
their ads and is in serious trouble anyway).  These are not "Bottom of the
Line" systems either, merely Dell and Gateway's 486/33 offerings.  Prices
are not what they used to be.  Please be more careful when stating
generalizations about quality and price.

Andy Ross
ajross@husc.harvard.edu
                                               A dumb PC Jock who LIKES Mac's,
                                               just can't afford one.
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Atari Falcons $799!!!!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <D88-JWA.92Sep2004247@byse.nada.kth.se> (rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc), d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
> > thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
> 
> [ Falcon video ]
> 
>    To be quite honest, this is lousy video. The lowest resolution PC that I
>    use is 800x600x256, and normally I use 1024x768x256. Your specs are 
>    underwhelming at best.
> 
> Not to mention there's still nothing that beats QuickDraw in
> imaging model. (No, there isn't)

There will be soon - QuickDraw/GX.  It's way cool.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Subject: Video card and accelerator for MacIIsi PSD?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:57:57 GMT

Hello, netters!

 I consider buy a video card or accelerator or both.
 Daystar claims that their Dualport adapter card for MacIIsi can support
 their Powercache and another PDS card.

 I am curious about MacIIsi's power budget. My manual said PDS card
 should not draw more than 7w. How much Daystar card draws power?
 Is there any video card (MacIIsi PDS) which can be used with Daystar
 Powercache card safely?
 
 What are video cards for MacIIsi PDS available?

 Are there  any combination of accelerator/video for MacIIsi PDS.
 Could you tell me your experience or recommendation?

Thank you in advance,

Choi
From: alen@crash.cts.com (Alen Shapiro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Disappearing icons in System 7
Keywords: tuneup
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:49:46 GMT

In <Btr2AI.A4D@newcastle.ac.uk> Simon.Meacham@newcastle.ac.uk (Si' Meacham) writes:

>In article <Aug.14.11.23.28.1992.5499@remus.rutgers.edu> ficara@remus.rutgers.edu (Ken Ficara) writes:
>>par@nwu.edu (Pete Rodriguez) writes:
>>
>>>Lately, I've been seeing Macintoshes running System 7 and System 7 tuner
>>>with a most unusual problem.  Instead of the usual "specialized" icons
>>>(like the "V" shield for Disinfectant 2.9), there's only a blank
>>>extension-type icon.  Other files have been similarly affected (MS Word
>>>documents have a blank document icon).  I have no idea as to what is
>>>causing this.  Rebuilding the desktop gets rid of the problem for a while,
>>>but I have seen this problem resurface on at least two Macintoshes.
>>
>>I've had a similar problem on two separate Macs, my work and home
>>machines. The work machine is an SE/30 5MB, networked; the home
>>machine is an SE, 4MB, not networked (except occasionally with ARA).
>>
>>Rebuilding the desktop has NOT worked for me (the obvious answer). But
>>what has worked (most but not all of the time) is to use ResEdit or
>>any other program that can modify finder flags, make the Desktop DB
>>and Desktop DF files visible, and then trash them.
>>
>>This only started happening to me recently but I haven't really
>>changed anything -- except installing the latest Alliance disk drivers
>>(could that be it?).
>>
>>Ken
>>ficara@remus.rutgers.edu

>I think there have been some problems with the older versions of System 7
>tuneup causing icons to vanish and directory structures to be damaged.
>The latest version of the System 7 tuner can be found at ftp.apple.com
>in the dts/sys.soft directory (I think...). To my knowledge it's currently
>at version 1.1.1

Forgive me if I've got it wrong but doesn't the old tuneup and prior
result in a problem where the files disappear from view completely and
not just cause their icons to turn to generic form?

I believe we are taking about 2 DIFFERENT problems here. Indeed I experience
the icon->generic form repeatably. Disk first-aid reports no problems,
under some circumstances (yet to be determined) icons may be coerced
into returning to their non-generic forms by remaking the desktops while
applications owning the faulty icons are mounted on other volumes.

I run 7.0.1 with tuneup 1.1.1 and have not run without tuneup1.1.1 on the
disk in question.

--alen
alen@crash.cts.com

ps coooeee APPLE you have a BUG!!! (what only 1?!!).
From: kanefsky@src.honeywell.com (Steve Kanefsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:20:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Aug28.172039.6865
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center

In article <92241.130725ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
>
>Thats what I get reading   A P P L E   documentaion. I think they should know
>what their machine can do and what it can`t do. But perhaps it`s simply british
>understatement.

I agree.  They should indicate when there's a real hard-limit on the amount of 
RAM (e.g. 10MB on the LC/LCII) and when the limit is based on the highest-
capacity chips available at the time (e.g. 17MB on the IIsi).

>BTW: 17M sounds good. At least 1M better than my 16M limit on my fairly old 386
>But then, when you buy a 386 or 486 today they usually have a limit of 32M or
>64M. Don`t talk about 640K barrier. It no longer exists. I try to compare to
>System 7 even if I can`t run it on my Mac due to incompatibilites with the
>other software I bought together with the machine. I don`t compare to System 4
>or 5. So if you say something can`t be done with a PC (and todays PC are 386 or
>486 computers) you have to take into account that DOS is not the only OS for
>PCs. If DOS doesn`t work for you, don`t bother the machine on my list had OS/2.
>YOU DON`T HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR IT. IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PRICE I TOLD YOU.

One unfair tactic the PC proponents seem to use reminds me of the car
commercials you often see on TV.  They compare the speed of car A to car
X, then compare the handling to car Y, and the interior leg room to car Z
(where X, Y, and Z are distinct).  What they don't say is that car A
can't beat *any* of the cars on all three counts.  PC proponents tend to
say that "Windows can do this" and "DOS can do that", and "OS/2 can do
this" (although in most cases, PC users are merely claiming equivalence
or lower cost, and not superiority).


Even though Windows can run DOS software and OS/2 can run Windows and DOS
software, you can't really get all the benefits of each of these operating
systems simultaneously.  The same goes for peripherals and software.
There may be some (large) set of 3rd-party peripherals and software that can
match Macintosh functionality on an item-by-item basis, but if you put
them all together you'd run out of slots or hard disk space or money, and
you'd most likely have terrible compatibility problems.  Therefore
item-by-item comparisons between Macs and PCs -- where the Mac users are
talking about a single, well-integrated hardware and software environment
and the PC users are talking about a mish-mash of hardware, software, and
even operating systems -- are not valid comparisons.

--
Steve Kanefsky
From: bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: What/how is a HDS scan-x scanner?
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:14:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug26.181426.5136
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Someone recommended this as a scanner, but I've never heard of it and know
nothing about it.  Does anyone know anything about it, like who makes it,
and how to call them?

Thanks,
bobo
bowman@reed.edu
From: yuan@asis.unimelb.EDU.AU (William Yuan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Too many INIT icons
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:46:29 GMT

cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf) writes:


>In article <gurman.714932342@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov> (comp.sys.mac.misc), gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman) writes:
>>
>>    I seem to remember that there's an app or cdev or something that
>>arranges INIT icons in rows on startup so they don't disappear off the
>>right-hand edge of the screen. Does anybody remember the name and an ftp
>>location?

>The next rev of InitPicker (3.0) is *supposed* to have that feature,
>along with working with system 7 (properly).

IconWrap 1.2 (1989) by Ken McLeod is freeware and will do exactly what you
want. It works with system 6.0.7, but I haven't tried it with system 7.0 (yet!).

Cheers,

        William

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From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PostScript
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:50:33 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <lwwarpup.714781331@vela> lwwarpup@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Lonnie W. Warpup) writes:
>Is there any way to print postscript images with a non-postscript
>printer?  I own a LaserWriter LS and have noticed that the PD drawing
>programs print real cruddy images and that documents with embedded
>images are really choppy when printed.  I have seen great graphics used
>with programs like Excel 4.0, but when it comes to simple freehand
>drawing, it draws with BLOCKS!
>

You should probably invest your money in Freedom of Press or some other sort
of Postscript interpreter.  FoP Light (17 fonts) runs about $55 or so, and
the full-fledged FoP is a lot more (I forgot, sorry).  However, PS interpreters
are not very fast and they don't deal too well with converted TrueType fonts
(i.e., used Metamorphasis or Fontographer to create them), but they work fine
with the TT fonts supplied by Apple (Times, etc.).

h.

...but yes, you probably should have bought a Postscript printer.  (:

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz)
Subject: HP Scanjet latest drivers
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:04:02 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University


I am looking for the latest drivers for the HP ScanJet.  I curretly
have DeskScan v2.1 and DeskPaint v3.02A.  I'm sure there are newer
drivers...Deskpaint has a nasty habit of crashing at the most 
inopportune times.

Can anyone tell me what the latest versions are, and where I can 
get them?

Thanks,
-E.
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