HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: howardr@col.hp.com (Howard Rebel)
Subject: Re: Bicarbonate question
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:18:49 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Joan,
You can try the chemical route but I think you can fix your problem 
without chemicals.  

It is quite possible that the problem has more to do with you UFG then
with the fish load.  It sounds like you have an old well established
tank.  Even if you are cleaning the UGF with a vac it is possible that 
enough ditrus (solid wastes) have collected in the gravel and under the 
plate to cause your problem.  You UFG has become an acid factory in essence.  
If you UFG is dirty it is also producing a good deal of nitrates.
My suggestion is that you tear down the offending tank and rinse the
gravel (with water from the aquarium). Clean the entire setup.

In article <JOANM.92Aug25183113@moe.coe.uga.edu> joanm@moe.coe.uga.edu (Joan Maxfield UCNS) writes:
>Just a little question for the gurus!
>After a major molly explosion I separated the females into thier own
>tank and left the males in the community tank.  The molly tank is
>filtered by a UGF only with frequent water changes.  The problen right
>now is the pH. 
>...
>Thanks,
>Joan


-- 
Howard Rebel hpcsos.col.hp.com 

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From: igorl@uiuc.edu (Igor Livshits)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Re: [M] Lateral line desease
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:16:43 GMT
Organization: NCSA
X-Xxdate: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:14:17 GMT
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>Due to the lack of a tank ground lateral line desease has manifested
itself.
>What are some tried and tested cures???  And yes, we had him ground his
tank.

Grounding the tank seems to reverse and, eventually, eradicate the
problem.  My question is whether grounding the sump is as good as
grounding the tank.  Technically, there is enough flow to equalize the
charge, and thus, discharge the tank, but I have a few doubts.

Thanks, Igor
From: mstephens.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (mark stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Water changes
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:47:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: nasa/gsfc

Fish lust.

In article <1992Aug27.224459.4496@tfs.com>, luke@tfs.com (Luke Matam) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug27.181939.24585@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shine@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (stephen.c.shine) writes:
> >one of my sinks.  The hose is long enough to reach all my tanks, including
> >the 20+ tanks in my basement.  To remove water from the tanks upstairs, 
> 
> What do you and other people do with SOOOOO many tanks ? Are you are commerical
> breeder ? Are you raising / breeding to compete at fish shows.
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | These are my opinions and that too only at this instant in time.            |
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Luke S Matam                                            luke@tfs.com        |
> 
> 
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From: putzolu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (David Putzolu)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: [M] [R] Summary: Fish/Reef Compatibility
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:45:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

Several days ago, I asked a question about the compatibility of
various fish that I have with a reef-to-be tank. Below is a summary
of the responses.

Royal Gramma: All replies agreed that this basslet would be 'no
  problem' in a reef tank. He is a well mannered fish and does not
  overeat, so he stays.
Sailfin Tang: I thought his mouth looked well suited for eating my
  invertebrate population, but every response I received put this
  mellow fish into the 'no problem' category as well. He is also
  well mannered and eats well (but does not overcompete) so he
  stays as well.
Cleaner Wrasse: From their ecological niche I suspected that this
  guy would do fine in an invertebrate tank. All the email I received
  agreed with this prognosis. Since he was bought by one of my 
  apartmentmates I really can't get rid of him, although I think
  he would be better suited in a tank with more, larger fish to feed
  off of.
Hermit Crab:The majority of the responses I received said that this
  guy was a bad idea for a reef/semi-reef tank. Behaviors such as
  tearing things up and moving them around were the prime evidence
  against him. One person said that a hermit crab was a _good_
  choice for any tank, including an invertebrate one, becuase he
  would move things around so well. I like this guy, but am afraid
  he will have to go (only to the tank I am dedicating to just fish,
  not to the nasty untrustworthy fish store!)
Damsel Fishes: The email I received basically said that they were
  not directly harmful to invertebrates. One person commented on
  they schooling behavior being 'dazzling' in such tanks.
  Unfortunately, their pugnaciousness makes them a bad choice in
  terms of the other tank dweller's sanity, and their aggressive
  feeding makes it difficult to not overfeed the tank in the
  process of attempting to get any food past them to other fish
  in the tank. My four damsels went to a good aquarist shop
  on Sunday, and I hope they do well, but it is for the best.

That's the extent of the species summary. I'd like to thank
the following people for their helpful emailings/posts on the
subject and any other people who I have forgotten (forgive me):

Christopher Bekins (Christopher.Bekins@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU)
Roberto Estrada (MENUDO@IRENE.MIT.EDU)
Robert J. Havey (rh2t+@andrew.cmu.edu)
Dan Selig (selig@sysjj.mdcbbs.com)
Greg Smith (FSSMITH@VENUS.LERC.NASA.GOV)

| David M. A. Putzolu               | putzolu@cs.ucdavis.edu              |
| Senior Undergraduate              | op disclaimer(opinion : ptr mine)   |
| Computer Science and Psychology   |      Money? Who needs money?        |
| University of California at Davis |          I've got fish!             |
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: ron@minnow.sp.unisys.com (Ron Burns)
Subject: Re: [M][R] New tank setup advise very much wanted
Keywords: reef marine coralline live rock
Reply-To: ron@minnow.UUCP (Ron Burns)
Organization: Unisys Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:32:46 GMT

OK, the time has come.  My 100 gallon reef project will now begin.
The proposed inhabitants after around a year are:  The live rock critters, a 
couple anemonies, a couple corals of undecided type, and 5 or 6 smallish 
'reef compatible' fish.

But first.... a few questions.

If there is 100 to 130 pounds of live rock in the 100 gallon (380liter) tank,
and I add 2 or 3 powerheads for circulation in the tank, is a trickle wet/dry
type of filter really needed, or will there be enough surface area in the
tank for bio-filtration?

If there is no wet/dry, then the sump pretty much becomes a place to put 
the heaters, drain the protein skimmer into, and a place to add make up 
water.  Is this worth trouble of having a sump/plumbing/pump expense and
hassle?  The heaters could go in the back of the tank with a powerhead
blowing(?) across them.  Water could be returned from the protein skimmer
with a powerhead as well.  I suppose the surface skimming is fairly
beneficial as well.

If the sump is a good idea, can anyone recommend a surface skimmer/pre
filter that can handle several hundred gallons/hour flow.  A Quiet One
pump is supposed to do around 740 GPH at 4 foot head.  My tank will
be a little lower than this.  Yes, I will throttle it with a valve.

Has anyone done a real analysis of the costs associated with Metal Halides
vs Florescents?  I don't have enough headroom to hang MH pendants.

Since a lot of the inhabitants of such a tank are filter feeders, how 
much mechanical filtration is desireable?  It seems that running a diatom
filter all the time would starve some of the critters, but where is the
'ideal' level?

Thanks a lot for your help, I'll keep you all updated as thing get rolling.
-Ron
-- 
Ron Burns              
Unisys Corporation                                      ...!rosevax!minnow!ron
Phone:(612)635-6927                           minnow%ron@rosevax.rosemount.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: schwarz@esrican.uucp (Mr.Coach)
Subject: [M] Powerhead killed Damsel! Suggestions?
Reply-To: bschwarz@esri.com
Organization: ESRI Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:03:26 GMT


I have a 402 Hagen powerhead in my 72g marine tank.
I just set up the tank about a 1 1/2 weeks ago.  I was
trying to get the tank to cycle with three damsels.  
This morning I noticed Ammonia to be up to .1 ppm.  I 
thought this was great until I couldn't find two of the
damsels.  Later I discovered that one of the damsel had
been sucked up into the intake of the powerhead.  I 
have to assume that this was the cause of the jump in
Ammonia.  

How do I avoid this from happening in the future?

If possible, I'd rather avoid a sponge on the intake as
this will be another thing to maintain.  I figure the
easier to maintain, the more likely I'll keep it up.
Perhaps a basket, but can you buy one of these for the
402 Hagen?

BTW, the other damsel is very well hidden and didn't 
come out even when I fed them?

Brian
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From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Atlantis in Los Gatos
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:56:06 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

brian@picasso.icd.teradyne.com (Brian Hunter) writes:
>At the time it appeared that the front doors were forced open and the 
>place ransacked before being set on fire.

What sort of an idiot would want to ransack an *aquarium shop*?!
"Pssst!  Hey, buddy!  Wanna buy this really cheap brand new powerhead?"


-- 
"Eight years is too long for anyone to go without skills or purpose." 
							-- George H. W. Bush

Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
From: jlbell@bharh56.bnr.co.uk (John Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: waterboatmen & tadpoles
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:01:16 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.

In article <19900001@otter.hpl.hp.com> pme@otter.hpl.hp.com (Pete Earlam) writes:
>Not really an aquaria question, more to do with ponds. I have a pond in which
>I want it to be as natural as possible (or as natural as my observation and
>information allows. ) However, a load of those rather nasty waterboatmen insects
>have showed up and seem to be devouring every other bit of aquatic fauna they
>can get their mandibles around. These are the upside down insects which float
>just under the pond surface and "row" themselves with two long legs. They are
>about an inch long. They attack everything that floats in their path.
>
>What I want to know is, will these waterboatmen eat the tadpoles which I
>transplanted into the pond. I know that if I want the pond to be natural then
>this is part of the "system", but I would like to see some tadpoles survive.
>
>                   Tanks in advance 
	
>> In my experience tadpoles survive everything except fish.
>> you will lose some to other predatory beasties but without
>> fish you ( and your nieghbours , mine complain ) will be
>> inundated with frogs next year. Where did you get tadpoles
>> at this time of year ?? A natural pond tends to have clear
>> water more readily than one with fish, you should prune 
>> unwanted growth occasionally scoop out duckweed etc
>> and clean out as much rubbish as possible
>> in about November>
>                             Pete Earlam
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Subject: Re: Novaqua and phosphates
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:09:45 GMT

In <1992Aug24.184057.5554@microsoft.com> jony@microsoft.com (Jon Yeargers) writes:

>My first post didn't make it out of here .. what do you (or the net
>as a whole) recommend for water conditioners? We are having a drought
>here in Seattle right now, so the city is putting 2-3x chlorine in
>the water. This makes proper dechlorination a must.

>BTW Ive been using Novaqua for almost a year now with no particular
>problems.

>Jonny Yeargers (jony)

I used to use NovAqua and Amquel, but now I just age the
water in 30g trashcans overnight. What I do is just let the
water sit in the rubber can, with a pump or powerhead
circulating the water. I add a heater when the air temperature
drops, but in summer that's not necessary. This water is even
suitable for fry tanks - at least the blue gouramis don't mind.

This was a suggestion Oleg gave me once and I've been ever grateful.

A 30g trashcan make a perfect temporary aquarium, hospital tank, etc.
A must, I believe, for anyone with more than a few tanks.

And, like George, I have 2;-)
-- 
Jim Hurley --> jimh@ultra.com  ...!ames!ultra!jimh  (408) 922-0100
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Daggett Drive / San Jose CA 95134
From: satilley@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: sick Betta
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:44:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <183udsINNku1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, quinones@ucsc.edu (Kathy Quinones) writes:
> I would like some info on how to treat (what I believe to  be) dropsy
> in a Betta. He showed trouble swimming (was unable to dive) and showed
> a very distended belly; otherwise he looked alert and was eating well.
> I treated him with tetracycline for two days and he seemed to return to
> normality.  A few weeks later he had a relapse and he looks worse than
> before.  I treated him and his tank mates with "Bettamax, blended anti-
> biotic capsules" (nitrofurazone, methylene blue, methazine, diazine and
> merazine, PVP -??-, vitamins -??!- and NaCl) and he continued to inflate.
> Yesterday I placed him in a beaker with more tetracycline and he has not
> shown any signs of improvement.  In fact, I just noticed his pectoral and
> caudal fins look a bit frayed at the ends.
> 
> My questions are:
> 1) Could the infection (whatever the causes, viral? bacterial?)
> be related to my feeding him live Tubifex worms?  
> 2) Is there any hope? What can I do now? (quote from a fish guide: "...In 
> severe cases of dropsy, surgical treatment by puncture of the fish and attempt-
> ed withdrawal of the fluid has been advocated, but it is a rather heroic pro-
> cedure in the hands of any but an expert."  I am willing to try this but
> would need more details!)
> 
> I hope someone has some suggestions before the little guy blows up!!
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Cathy
I'm new around here, but it sounds a little like your Betta is showing fin and
tail rot.  That's why the fins are "frayed" looking.  I can't remember if I
treated mine w/ Maracyn 2 or if that was something else (bad fish dealer).

Good luck.

-- 
Anne Kaelber satilley@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
From: mstephens.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (mark stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Gallons (was: Re: [F] Setup for plants
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:43:10 GMT
Organization: nasa/gsfc

Take cover folks.... it's getting warm out there!  

And I think both of you are somewhat high on that there horse.  I'm
in the U.S., feel confortable with the stupid and quaint system of 
gallons and pound-slugs (grin) that I was brought up with.  BUT I
don't care is someone uses liters, sure it's a pain but most of the
world uses 'em.  It's probably eaiser for me, being a former engineer where
the metric system was used in school, to translate from the metric
system to a person in Europe who doesn't know a gallon from a hole in
the ground.  

My secretary, as I was talking about a recent visit to France, was 
astounded that one might have trouble getting around. "They don't speak 
English?  Well, why not?"  I answered "Because they are French!" followed
by a soto voiced "you idiot".


                  mark

In article <1992Aug27.174709.5955@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, whiles@nswc.navy.mil (William Scott Hiles x1568) writes:
> 
> In article 1019@bmerh85.bnr.ca, lenny@bmerh187.BNR.CA (Len DePalma) writes:
> >|> US gallon or the British gallon? Could someone tell me what the 
> >|> conversion factor is? I guess it's about 2 US to 1 British, but I 
> >|> could be totally wrong :-)
> >
> >Why waste your time with that pathetic system, haven't you heard,
> >metric's the word!  Do us all (it's universal outside of the US and
> >Britain, isn't it?) a favour and use LITRES instead.
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >INTERNET: lenny@bnr.ca                 Any opinions expressed are mine.
> >
> >"You get the most noise from the emptiest barrels."  (Burton Cummings)
> 
> NO!  If you read this group and want the information, translate.  Gees...
> how arrogant can you get!  Regardless of what you may want people to
> say or write, the products sold in the US still bear the size in gallons.
> This is true of not only the stuff made in the US, but also stuff imported
> in.  Get off your high horse.  Why do you spell color as "colour" and
> fiber as "fibre" and liters as "litres".  That is the way you were taught
> and this is the way I was taught!  
> 
> Yes I take offense to your comment!
> 
> ---
> Scott Hiles
> whiles@relay.nswc.navy.mil
> 
> Standard disclaimer:
>   The opinions expressed are those of my own and do not necessarily 
>   reflect those of the DOD or the Navy.  I accept full responsibility.
> 
> 
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From: patton@phy.uab.edu (David Patton)
Subject: Re: Licensing/Certification
Reply-To: patton@phy.uab.edu
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:35:07 GMT

I own both bala sharks and angelfish.  Bala sharks are about the most timid
fish I've ever had. They do well with angel fish.  They do however appreciate
a lot of space and little disturbance.  They will battle amongst themselves for
food and I would suggest you limit the number you purchase to one. Given 
adequate food and lots of space they can grow to enormous sizes. But in 
smaller tanks they stay relatively small. One concern of mine is that I have
never heard of any breeding success with bala sharks. Hopefully someone has
been able to breed them .

Anyway good luck! 



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From: rader@ssec.wisc.edu (Steve Rader)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: [M] Anemonies from hell? Or am I just doing good?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:49:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: daffy.1992Sep3.194917.14137
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center

mar@athena.mit.edu (Mark A. Rosenstein) writes:
|> There's a species of anemone (Antipisa or something like that) that get
|> to be maybe 1/2 inch that are often found on live rock.  They can reproduce
|> in the aquarium and become a real pest.  I've seen aquariums in stores and
|> even at a big municipal aquarium that were infested with these, hundreds
|> of them covering the rocks.  My invertebrate reference book warns about
|> getting them in your reef.

Just so we're all on the same page here, the Atipisia sp. (spelling
still wrong) anemonies talked about here have the common names "rock
anemonies" and "ghost anemonies."  They are not true sea anemonies,
but rather some misc.zooanthid.   Rock anemonies rarely get over 
an inch in height with a 1/2 oral disk in their natural environment,
but I've kept ones that have grown to 4-5 inches high.  

Yes, I have seen them outcompete sisile inverts.... back a few years
when I counted over 380 of 'em in my 55 gal reef.

Keepn' coral,
Steve

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From: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Unusual largish fish for sale
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:27:34 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

Hi

I'm moving soon and want my fish to have a good
new home before I go.  I'm not moving too far, but
the fish will outgrow the tank eventually anyway, so...

What I have is:

- a South American (puerto rican?) cichlid known as a peacock bass.
This fish is not particularly territorial FOR A CICHLID, but it is the
most voracious feeder I've ever seen.  Certainly the fastest.  Currently
it eats about 3 feeder goldfish a day, is about 5 inches long, will eat anything
less than 3 inches long, requires about 6.5 ph but is otherwise not too 
picky about conditions.  This is a smart, communicative fish, the likes of
which I've never encountered before.  It is also likely to grow to 20-30 inches. 
It is very colorful. 

- a Pseudodoras Niger, or armored cat, or razor back, or something
Japanese like Tsuguru cat.  Coolest looking fish I ever kept.   Eats 
worms and, grudgingly, tablets.  You can look this one up pretty easily,
but it's hard to find a specimen like this one, at least 6 inches.  I recently
saw some adults in the Chicago Shedd Aquarium, though... a very fat 3 feet
at least.  

I am less interested in price than in finding a serious home for these
critters.  If anyone knows who to talk to at Steinhart, let me know.

=-Seth
(sik@sgi.com)

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From: colorado@venus.next.com (Delia Colorado (Temp))
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Shark questions
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:00:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.135642.11452@hubcap.clemson.edu>  
bob@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bob) writes:
> 
>      I posted a message to alt rec and sci.aquaria the other day  
asking
> questions about raising sharks.  I have not gotten any replies  
except
> for people telling me that they are too hard to raise and that I  
should
> not try it or from people who tell me that they have posted a  
similar
> message and to forget about getting any help from the people in  
these
> groups.
>      What is the deal is this some secret society or do you think  
you
> all are too good to help someone who is just starting out with  
their
> first salt water tank?  All I am looking for here is some help not
> anyones permission to do it.

With this kind of a message you are asking for trouble- I agree with  
Kerry in his message.  People in this net do nothing but help other  
people out, especially beginners, since we want them to have good  
experiences with the hobby and to take good care of the fish they  
have  (we are all here for the love of fish, not to realize our whims  
by putting fish's lives at stake).  I got your message about sharks  
today, and, instead of dissuading you from doing it (which is  
actually sound advice, since it is REALLY not a good idea to keep  
sharks-- it is nothing personal against you- it is just a matter of  
fact), I tried to give you the best advice I could, knowing that at  
the end you would do anything you wanted anyway, regardless of what  
good advice anyone gives you.  Now I am positive about that- you  
definitely have an attitude.  I feel for the shark you are going to  
get, and any other fish you might host.  The best advice you can get  
is not to get it, but if you are so stubborn as to not follow sound  
advice, then go ahead, do whatever you want, but then don't come to  
us asking "why did my shark die?". 

>      Maybe I am wrong, is it that no one here knows anything about
> sharks.
> 
> Bob Staaf

You definitely are, thinking that no one here knows about sharks is  
just plainly ignorant- which you are, not us.

Delia