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From: lavoiea@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lavoie Alain)
Subject: Looking for DOS version of GLIM
Organization: Universite de Montreal
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:04:11 GMT

Hi,

I need some help to locate in North America a place where I could get 
the PC version of a software called GLIM (Generalized Linear
Interactive Modelling). I have been trying to reach the producer of
that software (Numerical Algorithms Group, Downers Grove, Illinois) 
for the last few month, but it seems that the address and phone numbers
that I have been using were no longer valid.

If you can provide me with any information, please reply by email.

Thanks,


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Alain Lavoie                Voix   : (514) 343-8047
Responsable                 Fax    : (514) 343-8008 
Laboratoire d'informatique  E-Mail : lavoiea@ERE.UMontreal.CA
Departement de geographie
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From: rbatt@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Richard Batt)
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Subject: LISREL groups or lists?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 01:06:42 GMT
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Hi.  Does anyone know of a LISREL (or related) mailing list or newsgroup?
Thanks for any info.

cheers, Richard.
rbatt@adam.adelaide.edu.au
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From:         "Peter A. Lachenbruch" <IARSPAL@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      contingency tables

The recent query about the chi-square for contingency tables may be addressed
in an alternative way. Using a log-linear model, the chi-square (slightly diff-
erent from the Pearson chi-square) is a test for interaction. The Pearson chi-
square is also a test of interaction: the expected values are computed under th
e assumption of independence. (The test can also be developed as one of homo-
geneity - the proportions in the rows or columns are the same in all groups -
the tests are the same).
   The natural question next arises in partitioning the chi-square. I think
this makes sense for the homogeneity test, but not for the independence test.
There are some fairly old articles (Cochran in the Annals and in Biometrics in
the early 1950s and Gabriel in JASA in 1967 I think) which give ideas on this
problem. Gabriel's idea is especially appealing to me, although it has never
become very widespread. Gabriel showed that if you used the likelihood ratio
chi-squared, you could collapse, select rows, etc. and compare the resulting
statistic to the chi-square critical value for the full table (d.f.=(r-1)(c-1))
and the significance level would be retained. The problem is that the test
isn't very powerful. Perhaps something like the modified LSD test would work:
Test subtables only if the overall chi-square test is significant.
Tony Lachenbruch
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:36:29 CST
From:         EJOHNSO3@UA1VM.BITNET
Subject:      X^2 interaction

I'd appreciate your insight in interpreting the results of a 2X3 contingency
table.

I've run the standard chi-square test with significant results (p<.01), but I
see this as analogous to an omnibus ANOVA--it tells me something is happening
among these six cells, but it doesn't tell me what; therefore, my question is
whether there is anything like a test for main effects or interaction for a
chi-square? My gut feeling says that I can divide the critical chi-square
by my number of cells and then compare each cell chi-square score to this new
ciritcal value. Is this acceptable? I've not been able to find in the literat-
ure any comments about interpreting contingency tables, and so any comment you
could make will be a great assistance.

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From:         Dennis Roberts <DMR@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Precision

The discussion about accuracy of spreadsheets, formulas, and calculating
devices suggests that instructors should at least mention to students that:
a) all formulas are not necesarily created equal (some shortcut formulas
have been mentioned for example), and b) calculating devices (computer
programs and calculators for example) do not necessarily have the capacity
to deal with every number combination in problems; large factorials were
mentioned as a problem.  I input numbers like 10, 9, 8 etc, into Minitab and
it works fine BUT, when I put numbers like 1000000010, 1000000009, etc., it
fails to read the last places.  So, while classroom examples may not deal
with these indiosyncracies, an example or two should be included to make
sure that students don't ASSUME that everything is hunkeedorie 100 percent
of the time.  It seems to me that this is the important point from this
discussion.
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From:         "john.derrick.shillaw" <jds@SAKURA.CC.TSUKUBA.AC.JP>
Subject:      PE???

Can anybody explain what PE means in the following sentence taken from a
paper in the 1929 Journal of Educational Psychology?

"The difference of two points is five times the PE of difference between the
means, and is therefore significant."

Thanks in advance.

John Shillaw
University of Tsukuba
Japan
e-mail: jds@sakura.cc.tsukuba.ac.jp
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From: aboltwoo@alfred.carleton.ca (Alana Boltwood)
Subject: Re: Public Presence of Statisticians
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:37:16 GMT

In <STAT-L%93010722063636@VM1.MCGILL.CA> EJOHNSO3@UA1VM.BITNET writes:

>Bob Parker asked:

>How can we (statisticians) make it apparent to people who run news shows
>(as one example) that maybe they ought to have statisticians talking about
>statistical issues?
>- - -

>Here Bob makes the common assumption that there is a positive correlation be-
>tween managing "news" shows and the design to correctly inform, when in fact
>there is no significant relationship. At best they are independent variables,
>if not mutually exclusive. The confounding variable is ratings. The sole rea-
>son the major networks now carry "news" shows is to sell air time. You can bet
>if the networks can get higher ratings by offering more entertainment than
>facts during the "news" they surely will.

>Here's the best example I know of this. An extraordally gifted masters student
>of mine auditioned as a weekend anchor in a mid-sized market. No one could
>match his journalistic skills, but he failed to get the job because his eyes
>didn't match the teddybear image they wanted to play off the woman anchor. It
>was enough  for me to forget cable TV payments and invest that money in a news-
>paper subscription. I know those folks aren't hired for their looks.

Bob Parker was talking about the McNeil-Lehrer news hour, on public
TV.  This network and this show aims for a thinking audience and is
not so beholden to advertisers as the commercial networks.  So his
point still stands:  why, along with the other experts, was there not
a statistician on the panel?

I might also point out that neither Robert McNeil nor Jim Lehrer is
much of a "teddy-bear", as you put it.


Sorry to take this so seriously.  As for the commercial networks, the
uncorrelated nature of the relationship holds.

Alana Boltwood (aboltwoo@ccs.carleton.ca)
4th year BA Hons Statistics student, Carleton Univ., Ottawa, Canada
(Grad. May '93, looking for social science research work)
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:42:58 -0500
From:         Statlib Server <statlibd%stat.cmu.edu@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      New StatLib entries for December 1992

StatLib is now available via Gopher.  Connect to the Carnegie Mellon
gopher server and then select the StatLib server from there.

The following is a short list of the new or modified StatLib entries
for December 1992 (until 7 January 1993).

S               wlb             # Update

s-news          digests 88-90

general         vfsr            # Very Fast Simulated Reanealing
                loess           # A pointer to loess in netlib

blss            Empty collection for BLSS macros

glim            Empty collection for glim macros

To get started using StatLib, send the one line message
        send index
to statlib@lib.stat.cmu.edu

StatLib also has an anonymous FTP and gopher facility.
Use ftp to connect to lib.stat.cmu.edu and login with user name
"statlib".  PLEASE send your e-mail address as your password.  This
will enable us to notify you of changes to the software and notify the
contributors about who has requested the software.
To use gopher, connect to the Carnegie Mellon AC&M gopher and select
StatLib from there.

A reminder that there is also an archive of SAS related material.
Send the message
        send sas from general
for details about the SAS-L archive.

Thanks to all the contributors -- please keep the contributions
coming!

Mike Meyer, Carnegie Mellon.

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:23:59 -0500
From:         Renan Almeida <RENAN@UFRJVMS1.BITNET>
Subject:      epidem-l address request

        Dear list-fellows:

        Could someone please send me the current address of the list
EPIDEM-L ? Also, the edstat-l, or such.

        I don't have access to those nice compilations of list addresses.
        Thanks a lot,

        Renan M.V.R. Almeida
        renan@ufrjvms1.bitnet or renan@vms1.nce.ufrj.br
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:51:28 -0600
From:         "Michael M. Granaas" <MGRANAAS@CHARLIE.USD.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Disclaimers.

I'm not sure about other folks, but in my state the Board of Regents has
the opinion that faculty members who make public statements should NOT
be identified as faculty members.  (Especially if that opinion differs
from whatever is currently in political favor.)  Their (unwarrented) fear is
that the general public will perceive an individual faculty member as
speaking for the entire institution, or possibly the State.  (Note: they
don't seem to care if you say something that is politically correct.  In
fact, you may even be rewarded for it.)  Since I'm never sure where the
political winds are blowing, or who in South Dakota might read and take
exception to my words, I include a disclaimer.

That's my reason.

Mike

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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:16:44 CST
From:         Peter Wollan <wollan@MAYO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Textbook formulas and computers

John Wendell asks if Maple's evalf of an exact expression is an improvement
over the evil textbook computational formulas--

  Probably not;  it depends on how Maple goes about doing its evalf, and
judging by the way numerical procedures have been tacked on to an otherwise
wonderful package, it probably just sequentially evaluates the terms and
combines them in order, which is disastrous.  For example, evaluating a
polynomial, the highest-order term is likely to kill everything else.  Aside
from that, which you probably can't do anything about, using evalf(",16)
ought to be a little bit safer, and exactly the same speed, since it should
be using 8-bite floating point arithmetic anyway.  But again, I don't know
what Maple will do there.
  The best numerical algorithm is going to be specific to the task (of course!).
Weisberg's regression book has a good discussion of the sweep algorithm for
regression (inversion of a positive semi-definite matrix)--it's a good place to
start, to get an idea of what problems need to be addressed.  Chapter 1,
I think.

        Peter Wollan
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:49:41 -0500
From:         "Michael H. Prager" <mprager@PONTUS.DNET>
Subject:      Re: Spreadsheet Software

Dr. David  Arday brought up the subject of spreadsheets & statistical
software. I think most of his comments have been well answered here by
others. However, he also noted:

> It would be nice if we could all have a pocket computer that had built in
> SAS, SPSS, BMDP, SYSTAT, etc. and cost $99.95 with documentation, so that we
> could always do the best possible statistical computations for every
> problem.

Systat has an "instructional version" named MYSTAT available, and this
accomplishes most, if not all, of the analyses that Dr. Arday mentioned. It
is now distributed by Course, Technology, Inc. (800) 648-7450. I believe the
price for diskette and manual is $14.95.

This information was in the Systat newsletter dated Winter, 1992.

*====================================================*
*  Michael H. Prager                                 *
*  U.S. National Marine Fisheries Service            *
*  Southeast Fisheries Science Center                *
*  75 Virginia Beach Drive                           *
*  Miami, Florida  33149  USA                        *
*  Telephone:   305-361-4218                         *
*  Internet:    mprager%pontus.span@umigw.miami.edu  *
*====================================================*

(Opinions expressed are my own, and may not be those
 of NMFS or any other governmental agency.)
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:24:00 PST
From:         AHKARP1@UCBCMSA.BITNET
Subject:      subscription through the Internet

Will someone please advise me as to how I subscribe to Stat-L through
the Internet?  My Internet address is AHK3@dbu.pge.com
Thanks!
Andrew Karp
UC Berkeley Extension (AHKARP1 at UCBCMSA.BITNET)
Pacific Gas & Electric (AHK3 at DBU.PGE.COM)
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From: scott@mickey.acs.wmich.edu (Julie Scott)
Subject: re: WHERE AND HOW TO GOPHER
Organization: Western Michigan University Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:09:36 GMT

In article <STAT-L%93011102142711@VM1.MCGILL.CA>  writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have, on several occasions, seen the reference to the use of
> GOPHER to search for archived statistical materials.  I shall be
> pleased if someone can kindly show me WHERE and HOW to gopher my
> way into archived statistical "goodies", particularly relating
> to biostatistics.  If you can be of help, please kindly reply
> directly to me.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> 
> K C Lun
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> EMAIL FROM:
> 
> K C LUN, PH.D.                    TEL:     (65) 772 4299
> DEPT OF COMMUNITY MEDICINE        FAX:     (65) 779 1489
> NATIONAL UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL      E-MAIL:  COFLUNKC@NUSVM.BITNET
> LOWER KENT RIDGE ROAD
> SINGAPORE 0511
> 
> "TO KNOW THE WAY AHEAD, ASK SOMEONE COMING BACK".
>                                            CONFUCIUS (551-479 BC)
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I haven't found many gophers that are statistical in nature.  The American  
Mathematical Society has one, but I was unable to connect today to  
determine where it is.  

Once you can access a gopher, check out the "Other Gophers" menu item and  
look around.

Julie Scott
Western Michigan University
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:59:24 EST
From:         DWINSLOW@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      contingency tables

On the subject of contingency tables, Gill (1978) gives "Bonferroni" critical
values for pairwise comparisons taken from a larger matrix.

Gill, John L. 1978.  Design and Analysis of Experiments in the Animal and
Medical Sciences.  Iowa State University Press, Ames.

-Donald Winslow
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From:         AHARE@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CD-ROM Concepts Guide

I would be interested in receiving a copy of the Cd-ROM concepts
guide at no charge.
Ann Hare
Library
Lander University
Greenwood, SC  29649
803-229-8365 (voice)
803-229-8816 (fax)
AHARE@CLEMSON.BITNET
AHARE@CLEMSON.CLEMSON.EDU
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From:         Steven Ploof <Steve.Ploof@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CDROMLAN mailing list

>How does one subscribe to this mailing list?

BASIC COMMANDS

To subscribe from  BITnet: Send the following e-mail  message to
LISTSERV@idbsu
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CDROMLAN
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From:         James Jay Morgan <MORGANJ@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Networking Macintosh CD-ROMs

Among the bibliographic products available in both Mac and IBM (Windows)
versions you can add the new NLM Entrez software for their combination Genome-
MEDLINE data base.
Jim Morgan
morganj@indyvax.bitnet  morganj@indyvax.iupui.edu
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From:         Nick G Carter <ng_carter@CCMAIL.PNL.GOV>
Subject:      CD-ROM Guide

     TO: Bill Erdman

     Will you please post your Internet Address again (or, at least, send
     it to me)?  I accidentally deleted the message that had it for
     requesting the above guide.

     (Said while beating my chest in contrition: " Mea saurus, mea saurus,
      mea maxima saurus!" or, "I'm a lizard, I'm a lizard, I'm a gigantic
     lizard!")

     Nick Carter
     ng_carter@pnl.gov
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From:         Steve Druck <VUSTEVE@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Optinet Questions

I think that my question to this list got lost in the Christmas shuffle.
I would really appreciate some help.

Can someone confirm my recollection from the discussions on this list that,
in order to support a reasonably large number of users on an Optinet server,
one should use a SCSI-2 controller which is supported by Optinet "Turbo"
drivers and that one must also use SCSI-2 and not SCSI-1 CD-ROM drives?

We are having a debate with a vendor who says that SCSI-2 is irrelevant for
CD-ROM.
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From:         "Barker, Scott" <BARKER.ILS@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Final OED Comment

Since I'm the one who got all this started, I think I should finish it
off for good.....

First I have to thank Ruth Glynn of OUP for giving us more information on
their CD-ROM networking policy.  What she had to say made MUCH more sense
than what she said the first time around.  In fact, the OUP networking
policy AS STATED BY RUTH IN HER SECOND FOLLOW-UP is quite reasonable.

Remember though, that in Ruth's first response to networking the OED -
the tone was VERY VERY negative.  We were told that networking the
product IN ANY WAY was expressly forbidden and doing so violated the
terms of the licenese. We were also told that OUP was developing a
special network version so that they could be sure the terms of the
license were not being violated and so they could protect their software.

It was the tone of that first message that made me so upset.  Now after
all the discussion on the topic we hear different information.  We hear
that you CAN place the OED on a network by asking for permission to do so
(when local use and simultaneous users are not possible), and we hear
that the network version is being written to provide additional
functionality and better performance (not just to do license metering).

I wonder why these important tidbits were not mentioned in the first
response?  If I had heard more than THOU SHALT NOT... in the original
posting, I'd never have complained so loudly.

I congratulate OUP for their efforts and am glad we finally have the
correct information.  I hope that OUP gets this information out to all
their customers and the THOU SHALT NOT... tone with regard to networking
their products is gone forever.

Thanks Ruth for clearing things up for me and others on the list.  It
looks like OUP is headed in the right direction with regard to networking
their products.

--Scott Barker
Director of Computing
School of Information and Library Science
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
barker@ils.unc.edu
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Mr. Erdman,

My Internet address is RPiccinino@smith.smith.edu.

Rocco Piccinino
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