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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:29:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.162645.9305@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>In article <3TeRRB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>
>>-
>>- AS I can recall reading in "doctor Who - The Early Years," Britain used
>>- a 405-line picture as the technical standard until 1967, when they
>>- upgraded to 625-lines, or the current PAL standard.
>>- To me, this suggests that everyone at the time had to get a new set, as
>>- I don't think the two systems could be automatically compatible.
>>- Pertwee became the Doctor in 1970, by which time everything was being
>>- done in 625-lines.
>>- We can see this effect for ourselves.  Am I the only one who thinks that
>>- Hartnell stories don't look as crisp as Troughton ones?  This is because
>>- after '67, the Troughtons would have been in PAL, rather than 405 lines,
>>- even though they were still black and white.

The BBC began 625-line transmissions in around 1964/5 (I *was* only a
lad at the time) when their second channel - excitingly named BBC2 -
opened. For some time you could only receive BBC1 and ITV on 405 and
BBC2 on 625 - I can remember a dual-standard tv at home, what a clunky
device that was!

Colour broadcasting began in 1967, with Wimbledon as I recall. I do
remember that "Magical Mystery Tour" was broadcast in colour that
Xmas.

Broadcasting continued on 405 lines as well as 625 until around 10
years ago!

How this worked I have no idea.

Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
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From: rkvidyar@eos.ncsu.edu (RAMAN KUMAR VIDYARTHI)
Subject: Re: ARCHIVE: Review of the JN-T Era of Doctor Who, Part 1
Originator: rkvidyar@c00031-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rkvidyar@eos.ncsu.edu (RAMAN KUMAR VIDYARTHI)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:36:04 GMT


I can't stand it.  The two lists you came up with had the best DW episodes
in the show's history.  
Adric was a nice guy.  A bit of a pain, like many Doctor Who fans.
Now if you want to criticize the JN-T era, don't hesitate to blast virtually 
every episode following Peter Davidson's exit.

That's the truth, dammit.

Andrew R. Lankford
From: david@scilab.lonestar.org (david burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: UK news: NEW DR. WHO EPISODES!!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:33:28 GMT
Organization: Science Lab; Arlington, Texas

harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

> There will not be any new Dr. Who episodes.
> 
> The series finished in the UK in 1989, and the unpopularity of a recent (1992
> series of repeats convinced the BBC that Dr. Who was a bust!  Sorry, all you 
> folks.
> 
Since you are located in the USA (U. of W.), just how did obtain this 
news that even Britain probably doesn't have. Basically, I am asking (no 
flame intended) what your source for that piece of hearsay.

			Don't Eat Yellow Snow

David Burgess
david@scilab.lonestar.org
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From: rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>)
Subject: Inconsistancies (sp?) and Boo boo's
Summary: Daleks
Keywords: writers stuffed up
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:47:29 GMT

I admit that as to watching Dr Who, my knowledge is only from the
fourth, parts of the fifth, none of the sixth, and a bit of the seventh
doctors.
As for reading..I've read almost any Dr Who novel that I can lay my
hands on..
The other day, I read Dalek Invasion of Earth (with the first Doctor). I
found something quite interesting.
The Daleks (in that story) were controlled by radio signals, and once
the antenna was blown up, the dalek in the control room stopped working.
This would mean (I assume) that in that story, the daleks were just
machines, with no living mutant to control it.
It seems to me that in the writers in the later episodes (4th doctor
onwards (can someone confirm this?)), made a huge mistake in adding the
mutant part to the dalek. They obviously did not do their homework.
Anybody care to try and close this gap?
Rez.
-- 
Anestis Kozakis
rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au               ent670w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
"Off days" are a part of life, I guess, whether you're a cartoonist, a
neurosurgeon, or an air-traffic controller. -- Gary Larson.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:26:25 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep27.231014.19691@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.155525.15912@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
>ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>> We can see this effect for ourselves.  Am I the only one who thinks that
>> Hartnell stories don't look as crisp as Troughton ones?  This is because
>> after '67, the Troughtons would have been in PAL, rather than 405 lines,
>> even though they were still black and white.

>I was under the impression that the early stories were all shot on film  
>because the only way of recording video was filming a crt. 

Nope.  Video recording was around in the early '60s -- just limited.  That's
why the editing was so clunky in the early days, because they hadn't
developed modern editing techniques and equipment.  They edited video like
film -- by literally hacking and slashing the tape.  Since they couldn't
judge too accurately where to cut, unlike film where you could actually
examine each frame, they kept editing to a minimum.

>Image quality varies with how a particular story survived; some, such as  
>"the Web Planet" are in lousy shape.

Actually, the weird image problems in stories like "Web Planet" and parts
of "The Daleks" is because of the conversion process necessary from 405
line video to 625.  Or at least that's what I guess.  That's why the image
appears slightly pixellized -- the scan lines don't quite match up.

>I am, of course, not sure - so don't flame me!

Same here.
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Survival Quote
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.194900.23776@athena.mit.edu> srb@athena.mit.edu (Steve Balzac) writes:
>I'm trying to find the complete text of the quote from the end of Survival.
>All I have is the last bit, "somewhere else, the tea is getting cold."  If
>someone could send it to me, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks,
>
>-Steve



Ask and ye shall receive:

"There are worlds out there,
"Where the shy is burning,
"And the sea's asleep,
"And the rivers dream.
"People made of smoke,
"And cities made of song.
"Somewhere there's danger,
"Somewhere there's injustice,
"And somewhere else, the tea's getting cold!
"Come on Ace, we've got work to do!"

Steve/Iain
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Friday, 25 Sep 1992 10:49:55 EST
From: Nadir U Ahmed <ACPS6410@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: DR. WHO. COMPANION POLL ends Sept. 30, 1992
Distribution: world

   It appears in my list of companions I forgot, not by intention, the
name of a companion of the Doctor. I didn't realize this until I got
mail asking why I would neglect Kamelion. I'm including his name to
quell the protests of not including his name on the list...
   Well...at least no one asked why K-9 Mark III isn't on the list...
Below is the edited version of the poll


This poll to determine which companions come out where is almost over.
Submissions to the poll will not be accepted after 11:59 P.M.
(your time), Wednesday September 30, 1992.

  I would like you to tell me your 5 favorite companions and the 5
sexiest companions in order from 1 to 5.

ex. My favorite companions are:
    1.
    2.
    3.
    4.
    5.

Entries will be accepted until September 30, 1992

Now here's the list of his TV companions to date:
Susan Foreman
Barbara Wright
Ian Chesterton
Vicki
Steven Taylor
Katarina
Sara Kingdom
Dorothea "Dodo" Chaplet
Polly
Ben Jackson
James Robert McCrimmon
Victoria Waterfield
Brigadier Allistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart
Zoe Herriot
John Benton
Elizabeth "Liz" Shaw
Josephine "Jo" Grant
Mike Yates
Sarah Jane Smith
Harry Sullivan
Leela
K-9 Mark I
K-9 Mark II
Romanadvoratrelundar (the original)
Romana II (2nd incarnation)
Adric
Nyssa
Tegan Jovanka
Vislor Turlough
Kamelion
Perpugillium "Peri" Brown
Melanie Bush
Ace (Never call her Dorothy!)

Companions from other sources are welcome such as Frobisher in DWM.

Once again, my deepest apologies for not including Kamelion ... :.)

***********************************************************************
*                             Nadir Ahmed                             *
*                      acps6410@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca                      *
***********************************************************************
*           "I am the Doctor...whether you like it or not."           *
*                  Doctor to Peri, The Twin Dilemma.                  *
***********************************************************************
*           "I'm in a deep sensation, a limbo void of time"           *
*  Paula Abdul, State of Attraction from the album Forever Your Girl  *
***********************************************************************
*                    "Damn fine coffee...and HOT!"                    *
* Cooper after sipping Lucy's coffee and spewing it out of his mouth. *
***********************************************************************
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From: mrmuon@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION ON COLOURIZ
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.155525.15912@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
> We can see this effect for ourselves.  Am I the only one who thinks that
> Hartnell stories don't look as crisp as Troughton ones?  This is because
> after '67, the Troughtons would have been in PAL, rather than 405 lines,
> even though they were still black and white.

I was under the impression that the early stories were all shot on film  
because the only way of recording video was filming a crt. 
Image quality varies with how a particular story survived; some, such as  
"the Web Planet" are in lousy shape.
I am, of course, not sure - so don't flame me!
From: drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Number 6)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor's medical qualifications?
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:37:19 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <1992Sep30.134719.1@geovax.ed.ac.uk>, brigid@geovax.ed.ac.uk writes:
> Can any trivia minded person give me details of the
> Doctor's medical qualifications. I seem to recall/
> have heard somewhere that the character took a medical 
> degree at Edinburgh or Glasgow. Where did this info
> come from? Any help would be gratefully received.


He says this in one of the Yeti storties...No, The Moonbase.

Neil Marsh
 The WHoosier Network
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: INSULTS OF THE DOCTORS..
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:06:57 GMT

In article <2770.130.uupcb@ssr.com>, doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes) writes:
|> 
|> It seems that, over the course of lots of Doctors, almost each Doctor
|> (to my knowledge) has insulted his companion...:
|> 
|>    (At this time, I can't think of a 3rd Doctor insult)

Most memorable scenes were with the Brigadier. My memory (on episode name or
other distinguishing features...) fails me at the moment, but one involved the
notion that "there's nothing more firmly clapped shut than the military mind" or
something like that. Anyone remember the exact reference?

|>    4th Doctor in "Revenge of the Cybermen" to Harry Sullivan:
|>        "Harry Sullivan is an imbecil!"

ONLY revenge of the Cybermen???  8)

|> doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Theft from Gallifrey
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:57:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.003234.21572@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>Ian Robert Asplin Manfred writes:
>
>>And another thing Marc C,
>
>
>>there is a BIG whopping difference between the kind of theft that ou
>>say so easily takes place in "Trial of a time Lord" and the type of
>>theft we're told about in "Mawdryn Undead."
>
>No there isn't. For one thing all the 8 needed were the plans to the 
>machine. They could build it from that. Secondly, How do you know 
>they actually got the machine from Gallifrey itself? You don't. How did
>the cybermen learn about Nemesis. How did the daleks learn about the 
>hand of Omega? On Dr Who, anything is possible. In fact how do you know
>that aliens did not arrive on Gallifrey several thousand years ago for 
>some reason and steal equipment? This is a work of fiction, ANYTHING is
>possible. And given the history of the show, aliens stealing or attempting
>to steal Time Lord equipment is hardly a matter to be shocked about.
>Mark C.
>
>
>

Yes, we do know it was stolen from Gallifrey because the Doctor says
it was!  he also remarks on the "very cunning modifications" made to it
by the Eight, suggesting to me at least that it already existed and
needed some modification.   If they built it from scratch I wouldn't
call it modifications.
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Gallifreyans and Time Lords solution
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:00:29 GMT

There is, of course, something that you've all overlooked.  At least, I think
you have.  I haven't really been following this whole thread as closely as
I should've.

Everyone is so uptight about how a Gallifreyan becomes a Time Lord, etc.  Well,
tell me something: when a human being becomes president, does he have to
undergo some kind of metamorphosis?  Does his biology become altered somehow?
Well, it's a crude analogy, and really not very apt, but I think you can 
see my point.

A Gallifreyan becomes a Time Lord by passing through one of the Academys.
The foremost of these, it might be argued, is the Prydonian.  Becoming
a Lord (or Lady) doesn't mean your bio is altered-just your citizen's status.
Just like I couldn't run around saying I'm a PHd, neither can a Gallifreyan
claim to be a TL if he didn't pass the Academy.

Therefore, we assume that all Gallifreyans are born with the double-heart, the
respeiratory bypass, etc.  Even, perhaps, the ability to regenerate, although
I strongly suspect this may be something the Council of Time Lords has
to bestow upon an individual.  But it is not until they have passed the
rigorous testing and education that the Academys put forth that they can
claim the title "Lord of Time".

Well?  Rebuttles welcomed!


-- 
.sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!

Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.
From: uhclem@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:22 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Orphaned Response
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Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!uhclem    Sep 27 17:22:00 1992


<>
Re: /* ---------- "Extended Quiz 7" ---------- */
[0]And now, episode 7, about the 4th Doctor with 3 more quizzes on the way :

[0]/* Written  6:27 am  Sep 19, 1992 by ersys.UUCP!yadallee in rec.arts.drwho*/
[0]    3)  Deadline is Wednesday, 23 September, 1992 11:59 MDT

This was received at this site on 27-Sep-92, and on the same day by three
upstream sites that I have access to, one of which is a NNTP Internet site. 

There seems to be a propagation problem, but ignoring that, posted on the 19th
and due on the 23rd?  (and arrived on the 27th?)
Don't think you ought to plan a bit of time in for propagation?  Not
everyone is on Internet and gets it fifteen minutes after you post it.

And maybe someone needs a moment to type in the answers (they already know
the answers, right?).

Just an opinion.

Frank Durda IV <uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org>|"Quit that or I'll bite your
...utacfd!nemesis!uhclem (nearest internet) | nose."
...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem	            |
...decvax!microsoft!trsvax!nemesis!uhclem   |Who said it and What story?


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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: the Novel of Ideas-- is it a good Idea?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:22:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.212604.6889@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:

>	P.s.  Mike Godwin--why in Madonna's name do you put so much
>dead space between your articles and your .sig?

My days as a magazine editor taught me an excessive reverence for 
white space.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,aus.sf,rec.railroad
From: djmurphy@wam.umd.edu (David Murphy)
Subject: Re: Whats the title/Author of this story
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Summary: Note FOLLOWUP-TO
Keywords: SF railways mars
Organization: Binford Tools
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:11:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.020101.21144@cs.su.oz.au> matthew@cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier) writes:
> Some time ago I read a SF novel that was set on Mars and featured a
>railway system on Mars.
> I cant remember the Author or Title now , and no one I know seems to
>have heard of it.

[good description of book deleted]

> Im now looking for
>a name for my railway BBS and thought that book might provide a name..
>(Particularly the name of the siding at the town.. ).
>

The book is _Desolation Road_ by Ian McDonald.

The atmosphere <ugh> of the book was very like the Dylan song.

Good book. I recommend it. But it ain't really a railroading book.

---dave

-- 
  david murphy            I'm a simple man, with complex tastes.
djmurphy@wam.umd.edu    uunet!haven!wam.umd.edu!djmurphy  (NeXT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: A couple more things on Shakespeare
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  3 Oct 92 17:00:23 GMT

   In regard to the question of who was Shakespeare's Shakespeare, an
answer is implicitly given by Stanley Wells in his introduction to the
new Oxford edition (1986):

         Works that Shakespeare wrote throughout his career show
         the abiding influence of Virgil's Aeneid and of Ovid's
         Metamorphoses (both in the original and in Arthur Golding's
         translation of 1567.)

   Though other influences are mentioned, none of them are listed as
being as pervasive as Virgil and Ovid.

   Incidentally I'd be interested to know if anyone has any opinions on
this edition.  It certainly is easy to read.  Does anyone know how the
reviewers received it?  It's got not one, but two King Lears!

   I don't know anything about Shakespearean textual criticism, but
whenever I've noticed a reading in this Oxford edition that deviates
from better known ones, I've liked the Oxford one better.  I was also
gratified to find that Wells et. al. retain the description of Sycorax
in the Tempest as "this blue-eyed hag" instead of the really boring
"blear-eyed" that some editors have wanted to read.  Text, shmext:  if
Shakespeare didn't write "blue-eyed," he damned well ought to have.  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Literature students
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:07:55 GMT

Graham Redgrave expresses enthusiasm (thank you, Graham) for
my tale of sailing while under the influence of books.  My SUI
tale, you might call it.  We've hit upon a topic here that is very
interesting to me--that is, the effect that literature has on events
in the reader's real life.  

We often talk about how different personal situations alter our
perceptions of whatever book we're reading at the time--also
an intriguing topic, if only because it reinforces our awareness
of the malleability of the text.

But what about how the text of the book seems to reach right out
into the text of physical reality?  At the age of 12, I would
never have had the emotional repertoire to romanticize my sailing
adventures, if I hadn't been reading books.  I would never have
thought to let my hand cramp up around the line, had I not read
_Old_Man_and_the_Sea_.  So Hemingway's *text* played a causal
role in the events that led to the wounds on my hands.  

What a wonderful thought!  Gosh, I think I'll just run right out
and try to put Poe's "Imp of the Perverse" into action in my
real life, right now!!

<and she scampers away, trailing a cloud of evil laughter>

Seriously, though, I'm fascinated by mapping relationships, by
one-to-one correspondences between paired systems.  The text
of the book can be mirrored by the text of physical reality, or,
looking at it the other way 'round, physical reality can
alter the text of the book.  (Now I recall that Mark T. just
proposed a thread on the latter topic--how love affairs influence
reading.)

						--Fiona
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: robertre@microsoft.com (Robert Reichel ms2)
Subject: The new New Yorker Stinks!
Date: 02 Oct 92 19:19:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa


...and I mean it smells!  It smells so bad I had to take it outside
and let it air out on the porch for a while before I could bring it
back into the house.

I don't know if this is a Tina Brown special or what (though I suspect
the topless model in the Calvin Klein ad is), but if eveyone who
objects to perfumed magazines would please

1) Cut out the perfumed ad and all the smelly surrounding pages, and

2) Send them back to the New Yorker with a note that you really object
to finding this godawful crap in your mailbox

perhaps they will get the message that it's a shitty advertising
technique.  Do it for every issue that makes your eyes water.

Thank you.  (grumble grumble...)
-- 
-------
Not even close to being a Microsoft spokesperson.
Don't believe a word I say.
Robert Reichel		 {decvax,uunet,uw-beaver}!microsoft!robertre
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Literature of Travel (Was Re: literature students)
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:48:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.91054
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep30.172212.16348@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>
>Well, many (most? all?) of Verne's other works ("The Fur Country",
>"Michael Strogoff", "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea", etc).  Melville
>wrote several ("Typee", etc).  Henry James wrote some incredibly
>boring :-) novels about Americans touring Europe.  Frances Trollope
>wrote about British views of America.  Anthony Trollope wrote about
>Australia and South Africa.  There's about a zillion others....


True, but are they _good_?

I'll check out Masters, and Paul Scott is wonderful.  




-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu