From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Liveaboard rent question
Keywords: screw shaft criminal discrimination
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:07:07 GMT
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support


In article <1993Jan26.155229.25162@unet.net.com>, linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill) writes:
>
>I don't know how many liveaboards there are reading this group, but
>something has come up in our marina that I would like get some feedback on.
>
>A notice was posted regarding a .50/foot increase in the liveaboard
>rate (the notice was addressed to liveaboard tenants only), which in
>our marina is a rate in addition to the regular slip fee.  Okay fine,
>no problem.  I've been hearing of rate increases for liveaboards in
>other San Francisco Bay Area marinas.  People are complaining about
>the unfairness of an increase aimed only at liveaboards, but I'm
>willing to look at it purely from a rent standpoint and take it as a
>rent increase that I would probably have to suffer if I lived in an
>appartment.
>
>The kicker is what follows.  It doesn't apply to my husband and I, but I
>am still incensed by what it implies.  Our current lease states that no
>one under 16 is allowed to be a liveaboard tenant.  The notice just posted
>states that two people will be allowed to liveaboard at the per foot rate.
>For every person over the two allowed, there will be an additional fee of
>$200.00 per person per month.  Rumor has it that the under 16 rule was
>legally unenforceable and that this is the marina's way of getting rid of
>the kids.  We are to present ourselves at the marina office to sign the new
>lease no later than March 1.

I believe it is illegal.  I was living in LA when several apartments got nailed
for trying to go "adult only".  What finally came out (talk to a lawyer (gag))
was that they can enforce no kids only if the minimum age is like 55.

When is your current lease good through?  You have a legal right to maintain
current conditions until then (talk to a lawyer (choke)).
>
>I know of one family with two teenage kids, one with a living at home young
>adult, and one couple who just had a baby last month.  $200.00/child/month is
>a big hit when you're already a family on a tight budget.  The irony is that
>people don't usually liveaboard because they're rich boat owners.  It's
>usually because they can't afford to buy a house.

Yeah, but the marina wants the rich boat owners, they can make even more money
off of them.  And by slowly jacking up the rates, they can get you to finance
the improvements!
>
>So my question is, is this a normal tactic?  Am I naive to think that it's
>an unusual circumstance which should at least be protested?  I have no
>interest in this (i.e., we're not having children) other than from the
>standpoint that it seems very anti-family, anti-people and anti-tenant to me.
>I don't want to make a stink big enough to have us thrown out (liveaboard
>slips are tough to come by here), but I do feel like making them uncomfortable
>about what they're doing.

You have the right to protest.  You have the right to expect any existing lease
to be honored.  You have the right to speak with an attorney.  You also have
the right to anonymously call all the local TV stations, to call various city
inspectors for piddly-assed violations (along with said TV stations) and to
call investigative reporters from the local newspapers, particularly if the
marina owners are either well known or mysterious.  I may not change anything,
but it sure is fun :-)
>
>Any thoughts on the subject?
>
>-- 
>Linda V. Hill                           "Nakia", Hans Christian 33
>Network Equipment Technologies          Email: linda@net.com
>800 Saginaw Drive, 23.2.3               Phone: (415) 780-5785
>Redwood City, CA 94063 			Fax:   (415) 780-5001
>
That's a NICE boat.
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