From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: 2nd CFV and mass ACK: rec.models.scale
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:44:22 GMT


From rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)

This is a second call for votes on the creation of the newsgroup
rec.models.scale. This message also contains a mas acknowledgement of votes
taken so far. The original message containing proposal and charter follows the
list of voters. If you have voted prior to midnight, September 7, please try
again. I am requesting one slight change: as the first CFV did not get approved
and distributed until actually the 20th of August (that is, it was not received
here or at some other sites I checked until then), I would like the voting
period extended to the 19th of September. This is still within the 31-day limit
in the guidelines for new group creation, so this should not be a problem.

The voters:
Andrew Henry <A.H.Henry@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
acarr@nike.calpoly.edu (Lyssa)
ah595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric J. Hess)
akerson@srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp)
Anthony.Wong@Eng.Sun.COM (Anthony Wong)
Arne Henrik Juul <arnej@lise.unit.no>
augustho%aludra.usc.edu@usc.edu (August Horvath)
Barney Lum <barney@procyon.usc.edu>
baycan@tecopa.egr.duke.edu (Can Baycan)
Andrew Bell <bell@cs.unc.edu>
bill@ecn.purdue.edu
bill@usl.com
David Bingham <bingham@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>
bjla@statoil.no
bknutson@ecn.purdue.edu (Brian A Knutson)
bobmcc@tcsi.tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
BPorter@world.std.com
Brian.Wong@Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Wong - SMCC Technical Product Marketing)
bruceb@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden)
This is a Studebaker Year <burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com>
buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com^I(Buzz McDermott)
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Chris Anderson <chrisa@hpfcqc.fc.hp.com>
"Mike Cancellier" <cvetp034@CSUPomona.Edu>
Chris Williams <cwilliam@BBN.COM>
Robert Jacobson <cyberoid@u.washington.edu>
d88-hba@nada.kth.se
dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
danm@watson.ibm.com (Dan McCabe)
dans@orl.mmc.com (Dan Sullivan)
SJR D'ARCY <DARCY@metro.bst.rochester.edu>
darohn@giganext.lerc.nasa.gov (Douglas A Rohn)
pilchuck!seahcx!phred!davidb@uunet.UU.NET (David Burd)
"Derrick J. Brashear" <db74+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Deeptendu.Majumder@cad.gatech.edu
denisb@leland.stanford.edu
"David E. Sanders" <des@chem.psu.edu>
dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks)
dqwelch@sgidq4.sdrc.com (Mike Welch)
drewsome@mit.edu
Rick Engelhardt <ENGELHARDT@edinboro.edu>
Erich.Selna@Eng.Sun.COM (Erich Selna - zork@trog for you old Sun culture fokes)
"Edward J. Rudnicki" (FSAC-SID) <erudnick@pica.army.mil>
esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
etb@cs.pitt.edu (Elmer Beachley)
"The higher, the fewer  20-Aug-1992 1608" <fisher@gaas.enet.dec.com>
Dean P. Foster <foster@hellspark.uchicago.edu>
gault@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
Geoff.Arnold@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
geraldp@std.MENTORG.COM (Gerald Page)
girling@cs.sfu.ca (Doug Girling)
Goran Sedvall <gse@ida.liu.se>
hall@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall)
John Harris <harris@sdd.hp.com>
Howard Moskovitz <howard@lear.bos.locus.com>
"John D. Balogh, PSU OTC, 814.863.1252" <JDB@ecl.psu.edu>
Takala Janne <jft@cc.tut.fi>
John G Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
jimh2@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Jim Hiebert #2)
jimreed@b23b.b23b.ingr.com
johnf@apollo.hp.com
John Mosbarger <johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>
jota@tutor.inesc.pt (Joao Pedro Martins)
ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kim DeVaughn)
kennii@wybbs.mi.org (Kenn Booth II)
kent@adc.nsc.com (Kent Waterson)
kimes@cbnewsc.att.com
korpela@ssl.Berkeley.Edu (Eric J. Korpela)
Larry Hauch <lah@sequent.com>
lelanda@ampex.com (Dave Leland)
lhp@daimi.aau.dk
lmm@mhcnet.att.com
LOVELLETTE@SSD0.NRL.NAVY.MIL
lynell@cco.caltech.edu (Lynell Jackson)
marc@ultra.com (Marc Kwiatkowski {Host Software-AIX})
Mark Storin <marks@studsys.mscs.mu.edu>
Glenn McGhee <mcghee@sc.hp.com>
mhpower@Athena.MIT.EDU
pseudo!mjn@uunet.UU.NET (Murray Nesbitt)
mmrd@cc.flinders.edu.au (R.Douglas)
(Mark A. Natola) <natola@coos.dartmouth.edu>
obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Ola Rinta-Koski <ola@vipunen.hut.fi>
opp@otsoni.tkk.tele.fi
Paul Kupersmith <pak2@base.bellcore.com>
patnaik@sherlock-hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (Gopal Patnaik)
pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Close)
pfile%jomby.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu (Rob Pfile)
pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46)
pgifford@alleg.edu
pha@hri.com (Paul Anderson)
phila@osglab2.esd.sgi.com (Phil Arellano)
prh@essence.demon.co.uk
pshyvers@misdev.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
purtill@ccr-p.ida.org (Mark Purtill)
pvp@convex.cl.msu.edu (Paul V. Pendred)
ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
rbs@idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith)
Robert E George <regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
reynolds@fwapp (Brian Reynolds)
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
Rod.Miller@Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
roger@prosun.first.gmd.de (Roger Holst)
romix@bsk.utwente.nl (Ronald Leenes)
Randy J Ray <rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com>
schone_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
scott%mycro.UUCP@mathcs.emory.edu (Scott C. Sadow)
Scott Hewis <scott@asgard.csuohio.edu>
shinn@helios.dab.ge.com
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
Steve Bellovin <smb@ulysses.att.com>
smithr@ast.dsd.northrop.com (Dick Smith)
ST1EC@Jetson.UH.EDU
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
techsy005@spacm1.Spac.Spc.Com
testeng1.Mitel.COM!stanfiel@mitel.uucp
thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu
Tim Szeliga <tim@snow.nohrsc.nws.gov>
"Todd O'Connor" <todd_oconnor@taligent.com>
tomatt@frosty.lerc.nasa.gov (Matthew Velazquez)
Tom Ward <tomw@spider.co.uk>
"Sam Hill Cabal, DS" <tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu>
urf@ki.icl.se (Urban)
vrt@Athena.MIT.EDU
wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Gary Weimer 726-3370 <weimer@pixel.Kodak.COM>
wigs@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley)
wildstar@moeng2.morgan.edu (Derek Wildstar)
will@kafka.saic.com (Will Scarvie x6388)
wilson@falcon.AA.CAD.SLB.COM (David Wilson)
wolpert@wimsey.eece.maine.edu (Seth Wolpert)
wrg@Cadence.COM (W. Robert Glover)
Mike Buell <wts!@wts.UUCP.meb>
Scott D. Young <youngs@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
Z_GILISTO@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU

The original CFV:

This is a call for votes on the newsgroup rec.models.scale, as discussed for
the last three weeks. At the end of this message is the charter, slightly
revised as per the discussion period. 

In order to vote, send a mail message to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu (or, if your mailer doesn't understand
domain-style addresses, ...!uunet!pit-manager.mit.edu!mail-server),
with one of the two following lines (without the quotes) in the
Subject or body of the message:

	"vote rec.models.scale yes"
	"vote rec.models.scale no"

If your vote is received by the mail server, and if the return address
in your message is valid, you should receive an acknowledgement within
24 hours.  If you don't receive an acknowledgement, or if you have
some other problem voting, you can send mail to
postmaster@pit-manager.mit.edu to ask for assistance.

Many thanks to Jonathan Kamens for offering his mail-server service for vote
collection.

		  Proposed Charter for rec.models.scale
		  -------------------------------------

PURPOSE
=======
The designated purpose of this group is to discuss the hobby of scale
modeling. Within this realm is included static (display) models, radio-
controlled models built to specific designs, railroad modeling, model
rocketry, and moany other aspects. However, the scope of this group is
restricted to construction techniques and issues, discussion of materials
and kits, discussion of local, national, and international events, and
other topics that pertain to the general hobby of craftsmanship. This
group is not a forum for discussion of controls (radio or remote), for
discussion of performance of RC engines, rocket motors, or any other
subject that, while part of a modeling-related hobby, does not pertain
to craft skills. This group is meant to, among it's primary purposes,
augment the existing rec.models.* groups by providing a forum for the
reader that is more directed towards "How do I do this?" rather than
"Brand X motors only deliver half the promised power." While modeling
is generally associated with plastic kits and IPMS (the International
Plastic Modeler's Society), this group will not be affliated with IPMS,
nor will it be limited to plastic modeling.

GUIDELINES
==========

1) The group will be unmoderated.

2) The group will take a sibling position with respect to the existing
modeling groups, providing a forum that is geared specifically to 
craftsmanship.

3) Any discussion pertaining to craftsmanship, review of materials or
kits, events pertaining to the hobby, events such as air exhibits that
pertain to original subjects modeled, request for information about
any previous subject, is welcomed. Subjects such as comparisons of
motors for functional models, or engines for flying rockets or aircraft,
is discouraged. "Help needed trying to mount Brand X engine in my home-
built model plane" is within this sphere, where "Brand Y remote system
doesn't work 20 feet away" is more suited for rec.models.rc, as a
question about the proposed NMRA (National Model Railroad Association)
Control Standard, which deals not with the construction and painting of
the models, but rather with the controlling of operational models, is
outside the sphere.

4) The forum is not sanctioned by, recognized by, or in anyway associated
with the International Plastic Modelers' Society, the National Model
Railroad Association, the Association of Military Modelers, or any such
hobby organization.

5) The forum is not devoted solely to modeling exact duplicates of hist-
orical items. Science fiction, fantasy, or any other imaginative subjects
are equally welcome. The forum recognizes that people model that which
interests them, be it a prototype F-4 Phantom II, or an entirely fictional
spacecraft. The purpose is to discuss technique, not debate selection.

6) The forum is not restricted to plastic modeling. The finest craftsmen
use those mediums which suit their task. They do not fit the task to a
specific material. Discussion of metal, wood, plastic, fiberglass, or
any other materials is within the sphere of the newsgroup.

NAME
====
The name rec.models.scale was chosen for several reasons:
	1) To fit within the hierarchy already established by rec.models.rc,
		rec.models.rockets, and rec.models.railroad.
	2) Because the name does not imply any bias to a specific topic
		in modeling, or a specific approach.
	3) And because all models are built to represent a specific subject
		in a display medium that can be expressed as a ratio to the
		original (in some cases, this ratio is 1:1). Even when the
		original is fictional in its own origin, there is still an
		element of scale in the fact that the model is patterned
		after the original.

=================================================================

Voting is to begin on August 19, and continue for a period of 30 days, ending
at midnight on September 19.

Randy
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