From: roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts)
Subject: Re: Why must you act this way?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: world,public
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:27:00 GMT

In article <1ictd2INNjbr@shelley.u.washington.edu> sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.071254.4440@en.ecn.purdue.edu> muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan3.082328.11776@phyrql.Alt.ZA> lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA writes:
>>
>>>Where was your god when a four-year old girl, who would hardly be able
>>>to tell the difference, was suffering?  
>>
>>Right by her side.  Death is a result of sin, and happens from time to time
>>and for various reasons in our fallen world.
>
>One more time, more   s l o w l y ...
>(a) If the death AND SUFFERING of the four year old is a result of
>her own sins, please explain what this four year old did
>to deserve it.  I can't think of anything, and I have a 
>busy imagination.

Maybe he was so good that God chose to reward him by getting him out of
here?

>(b) If the death AND SUFFERING of the four year old is a result of
>the alleged crime of her ancestors, please describes the theory
>of justice which mandates this perverse punishment.
>And while you are doing this, keep repeating
>"God is omnipotent, God is omnipotent, ...".
>Hopefully, the incongruity of these ideas will 
>finally strike you.
>
>>It has no detrimental significance
>>for the children of God, however.
>
>John, you've done it again - provided a better case study than
>I could ever want.  The attitude you just expressed
>is one of the hallmark reasons why I left xtianity.
>It is quite normal for humans to grieve in the face
>of death, suffering, and injustice.  But xtianity encourages
>psychological dissociation by blithely assuring its 
>followers that seemingly Bad Things are actually
>Good Things, or at least Unimportant Things.
>So, don't face the pain, just shove it underground 
>and quote a few scriptures, and all will be well.
>
>Real humans experience a full range of passions; xtianity
>encourages a tepid blandness in the face of any joy
>or misery.
>
>Quite literally, christianity is inhuman.

Of course it is inhuman, murderers are human.

>And many christians rejoice in this face.
>
>>I look forward to meeting my Creator and
>>knowing Him even as I am fully known by Him.
>
>Why would you want to spend any time with a guy who
>claims that it is just to maintain a system of 
>suffering?
Am I missing something here? When did he assert this?


>
>>You may ask "Why doesn't God
>>intervene and end the suffering of this girl?"  He will (and does) both
>>miraculously and through modern medicine if it is His will for her to live.
>>If it is His will to let a young girl die, then it is for the greater good of
>>all those involved that love Him.
>
>Abuse-of-language alert!  You have previously claimed that you
>don't really know what this "greater good" means.  It is 
>ingenuous to include this as an argument unless you are 
>willing to elaborate on the meaning of this "greater good".
>Prisons (and in Washington, the gallows) are full of people
>who had a vision of a greater good which justified their
>actions.
>
>>I don't see why you are mad at me - I
>>didn't make it up, nor can I do a good job defending the One who calls the
>>shots.  I suggest you seek Him for your answers.  Read James 1.
>
>I don't know about the original poster, but I am not mad at you.
>I just with that you would realize how sick some of your
>defenses of xtianity sounds.
>
>
>
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