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From: dls@freedom.genrad.com (Diana L. Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Civil Air Patrol/CAP thoughts
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:04:17 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: freedom.genrad.com
Summary: CAP Uniforms
Keywords: Civil Air Patrol/CAP

In case anyone is interested, here are some of the valid Civil Air Patrol
uniforms (I might have missed some):

Air Force Blues, with CAP insignia and ribbons (must conform to USAF standards)
OD green fatigues, with CAP insignia (must conform to USAF standards)
OD BDUs, with CAP insignia (must conform to USAF standards.  Note that white
	or beige BDUs are not a CAP uniform)
Air Force OD green flight suit (must conform to USAF standards....however,
	....basically that's just neatness)
Air Force Mess Dress, with CAP insignia and medals (for VERY FORMAL occasions,
	must conform to USAF standards)
CAP bright blue "Blueberry" flight suit
CAP blue, green or orange flight suit (the green flight suit is the same as
	USAF and must conform....you know the words)
A white shirt and grey pants (CAP puts out a couple different white shirts,
	which are preferable, but not required, including a CAP polo shirt.  
	For more formal occasions, where a red CAP tie or bowtie or just red 
	tie, with a blue jacket).
Formal wear (excluding the mess dress) is long dress or tuxedo style clothing


Diana


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From: inglis_p@apollo.HP.COM (Pete Inglis)
Subject: Re: Place to eat near Maryland or Del
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:42:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

Try College Park Airport in MD. (the oldest airport in U.S.)
They have a WWII replica restaurant that has a neat
Sunday brunch.

Also Wilmington DE. has restaurants w/in walkink distance.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: SR049901@ysub.ysu.edu (The Mad Texan)
Subject: Cessna 140A parts/basketcase for sale
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:56:42 GMT

I have two basketcase 140A's including 2 sets of wings and other parts.
I am interested in selling them as a package-everything goes.  If interested,
please mail me for more details, as the list is extensive.  The parts/planes
are located in Youngstown, (NE) OH.
 
                                                    Tex
From: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Subject: Re: The home field accident...
Reply-To: reece@eco.twg.com
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:31:28 GMT


In article <1992Nov20.171828.20532@nlm.nih.gov>, masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys) writes:
|>There is no substitute for experience.  So let me ask how many of the
|>net.CFI's make it a practice to put their students in a 4 seater, fill
|>the other 3 seats, and get some real experience with that real
|>queasy feeling of an airplane struggling to climb at gross weight?
|>I bet it would save a life every now and then.

I did almost all my student flights in a Piper Warrior (PA28-151) which
was equipped with a *cruise* prop. During the winter you got fairly decent
performance, but I remember my first warm day vividly. It was quite warm
and humid on the day of my checkride, and there were times when I was
barely getting 200fpm at Vy. I've had that plane as high as 8500ft on a
hot July day with a passenger and some baggage and it cruises along just
fine, but the climb rate sucks.

These days I'm flying Archers and Dakotas. When I got my checkouts I
intentionally brought along a pilot friend as back seat ballast so I'd
get an idea of what it was like with some weight in the back seat. Of
course this lead to a surprise of a different kind when I did my first
solo takeoff. Talk about leaping into the sky!

--
Reece R. Pollack
PP-ASEL-IA -- Octopus Flying Club (based GAI)
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From: lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger)
Subject: Re: Places to eat in MA/RI/NH/VT or Maine
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec.aviation  rec.aviation.misc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:07:56 GMT


In article <1992Nov21.200624.28648@news.tufts.edu>, dalbert@jade.tufts.edu (David L. Albert) writes...
{looking for restaurants in Boston Area}

Here are my favorites, in no particular order:

Tanner-Hiller, just east of the Quabbin Reservoir. On-field dining,
low on atmosphere, high on food quality. Small selection of gourmet-ish
food (read the blackboard for the nightly specials). Call ahead (see
your Airport directory) for hours.

Nantucket, Saratoga Steaks. Its about a 10 minute hoof, but a decent
steak house.. maybe one notch higher than a 99 Restaurant.

The Barnstormer, at Stow Minuteman (near Hanscom field). Recently opened
for dinner... I think this is one night per week, so call ahead.
Great place! (I'm based there, so I'm biased...).

Hyannis has a number of restuarants just off the field.

There is a Tavern-style burger place, I forget the name, at Fall River.

You can go 'to Mac[donald's]' at 'Tew-Mac' airport (stuff for the kiddies
nearby).

And the usual smattering of on-airport lunch/brunch places at many other
airports.
From: dinsdale@berlioz.nsc.com (Steve McRobert)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: K-13 Acro
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:52:54 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara

In article <Bxw10E.6wJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>
>     Well, there are no thermals left here in the midwest and I brought the
>Pegasus home last week so I decided to practice some spins in our club
>K-13. Now I can't comment on the buffeting during a loop posting, but
>I wonder if anyone can comment on this. I have no trouble in entering
>the spin with a very nice nose down attitude. About 1/2 to 3/4 of a
>turn later the nose comes up to a less vertical angle, and the wind noise
>changes. Now at this point I recover since I can't tell if I have fallen
>out of the spin and into a spiral dive or not. It may be that the nose is
>just nutating and if I held it in longer it would go nose down again. I
>have tried cross controls and they make no difference. I have done them
>alone and with someone in the glider with me, the same results. The
>other person with me has tried it with the same results; so it is not
>a pilot dependent effect. 
>
>     So, anybody with K-13 experience ever see this before?
>     Any net opinions of what is happening?
>     Should I let it rotate longer after the nose rises?
>     Should I stay home a watch TV and live a little longer?
>
>Howard (i'd rather spin than watch TV) Petri
>Pegasus  (EJ)

What happens to your airspeed?
In a spin airspeed will stay low, in a spiral it will pick up rapidly.
also in a spin trying to pick up the wing with aileron will not work, in
a spiral it will.
I haven't flown a K-13 for 2 years, but swindon clubs plane would hardly
spin at all with 2 adults in it.
Our (ames california usa) grob won't either with anyone heavy in front.

TJ hedding showed me a trick in a grob which is to apply in-spin aileron
once the spin is established, seems to hold the grob in a spin abit
longer with a light person in front.

-- 
Steve Mc Robert (a.k.a. Dinsdale Piranha) PP ASEL, Glider, Tow Pilot
Organisation: National Semiconductor. Aircraft: DG300 GJ
Want to soar?  Call the Ames soaring club 510 516 1745 at Byron airport
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: gaynier@elec.uq.oz.au (Ron Gaynier)
Subject: Improving lookout
Summary: Anyone have any exercises for improving lookout?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:08:40 GMT

I was flying with a student the other day and I could tell
he needed some improvement in his lookout. At first I simply
said "You're not looking out, don't fixate on the instruments".
He replied "I AM looking out!". Rather than argue with him I
decided that throughout the flight I would remind him to use
the audio vario and also control speed by nose attitude. 
Everytime I caught him focusing on the instruments for too 
long I would remind him. 

That seemed to help but what I would like to try is somekind
of exercise to convince people that there lookout isn't what 
it should be. Does anyone out there know of such a thing? 

Here is something I'm going to try in the future and I would 
like the net opinion of it. Most people quickly learn to 
scan in the direction of their turns and straight ahead but
don't scan well directly above or over there shoulder away from
the turn. The next time with a student I will ask them to fly
a circle (thermaling) at a constant speed and constant angle of
bank, then I'll ask them to lookout at the outer wingtip (one
problem area for most people) and continue to fly at the same 
speed/angle of bank while I count to 3 (5?). It isn't easy and 
I know for myself it took awhile to learn to do it without 
pitching up or down, or rolling out of the turn. My point would 
be to demonstrate that if you can't fly for even a few seconds 
looking in another direction you probably aren't including that 
direction in your scan. 

Well what do you think? If you know of a better way or if you 
can think of a way to improve my exercise I'd love to hear it. 
If you think it is an absolutely stupid idea, then please give 
your reasons why, I'd love to hear that too.

Ron Gaynier
From: rlarsen@bnr.ca (Richard Larsen P220)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: re: audio variometers
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:11:17 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP

Andy
  Is the vario you mentioned portable. I rent different gliders at
different gliderports. Would it be possible to carry it in a pocket?
Does it need to be hooked up to the aircraft plumbing? The M-20 doesn't.

Note: I don't have E-mail.

I have used the M-20 three times now and am very pleased with its
performance. There is also a M-30 available with an internal batery
(less bulky) that runs 15 hours on a charge. The one I bought uses
an external 9 Volt battery that lasts 40 hours.
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Subject: Re: Loops and slipstream
From: Bruce@hoult.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:06:19 +1300 (NZDT)
X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version


> a working thermal before next spring is 
> about as likely as a return to full employment hereabouts :-(

My condolences -- we're just starting our season :-)


> What do other pilots think? Was it likely to have been our own slipstream ?

Not if it lasted for more than a fraction of a second.  Gliders don't fly
perfect loops so you'd probably go through your wake at quite an angle.


> it's just I would hate to stall at high speed while 
> pulling out of a loop!

Why?   high speed stalls are easily recognised and corrected.  I've never
done loops, but on recovery from spins it seems helpful to get into the
pre-stall buffet, or even mildly stalled, to pull out without gaining a
lot of speed.

-- Bruce
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From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again))
Subject: Soaring exposure on TV on Wednesday
Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:34:42 GMT

	I got off work at 8:00 this morning, and upon arriving home at 8:07 I
turned on the TV for a few mindless minutes before bed.  On ABC's Good Morning
America, they are doing their Great American Southwest Bus Tour shows this
week.  When I turned it on, I was watching some beautiful shots of a Grob 103
in flight.  It seems that one of their reporters was taking a soaring flight
or two for the cameras.  They showed soaring in quite a positive light.  After
the first flight (complete with high-speed low passes and air-to-air footage
with a chase plane), the reporter then went up again for some acrobatics,
which was then showed from the ground (loops, they didn't show any spins).
It was nice to see.

	The only problem I had with the broadcast was the scene on the ground
before the acrobatics flight.  The reporter was making the usual banter about
insurance and wills and "life in danger".  I would have rather they cut that
part out.  On the other hand, they DID show him walking away after the
flight...  :-)


Raymond L. Swartz Jr. (rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu)
================================================================================
Excel in everything -- specialization is for insects!! (paraphrase of R.H.)
Fantasy: Wave soaring over Olympus Mons on Mars
================================================================================
From: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com (Andy Deitsch)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: re: audio variometers
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:45:23 GMT
Reply-To: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research & Development

>  Is the vario you mentioned portable. I rent different gliders at
>different gliderports. Would it be possible to carry it in a pocket?
>Does it need to be hooked up to the aircraft plumbing? The M-20 doesn't.

I'm not sure.  That sounds like a question for someone at Ball.
Ball also has M22 and M50 versions that have barographs built into
them.  They provide software for you to download your flight and 
display it graphically, while also logging it in a database.


Andy

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_________________________________________________________________________
Andy Deitsch                             email    : deitsch@crd.ge.com  
GE Corporate Research & Development      phone    : (518) 387-7207   
Schenectday, NY 12301                    dial comm: 833-7207     
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: gregg@sunbeam (ron gregg)
Subject: Re: Improving lookout
Keywords: Looking Out
Reply-To: gregg@sunbeam (ron gregg)
Organization: Tekelec, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:07:57 GMT

I have found it very effective to cover up all the instruments for awhile.
Sometimes I even cover them all for several lessons in a row. 

Must students and lots of Private and Commercial pilots do not 
realize that, except for the legal requirements,  they do not need 
a single instrument to fly a sailplane in VFR. Once they realize 
that they do not have to be glued to the instruments  to keep from 
falling out of the sky, they are less prone to fixate on them.

I have several of those little circular rubber soap holders with lots 
of little suction cups on them and I keep them in my flight bag at all 
times. They are readily available, inexpensive, easy to use, and can 
be used for other purposes - other than holding your soap.

If an instrument becomes inop while I am flying, for example, 
I cover it up so that I will not tend to look at it. 


ron gregg@tekelec.com
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: Improving lookout
From: jane@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jane Philcox)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:04:00 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <gaynier.722045320@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> gaynier@elec.uq.oz.au (Ron Gaynier) writes:
>I was flying with a student the other day and I could tell
>he needed some improvement in his lookout. ...
>That seemed to help but what I would like to try is somekind
>of exercise to convince people that there lookout isn't what 
>it should be. Does anyone out there know of such a thing? 

Not exactly, but I observed something instructive the other month.  I was
flying with a friend in a light aircraft, and had already observed that he
seemed to have his head in the office to an extent which shocked me.
Constantly fiddling with frequencies, as we changed radio areas, and so on.  
Towards the end of the flight someone called in that they were approaching the 
same field as us (Bacchus Marsh), from Ballarat field.  When the call came, he 
reared up his head, looked about ten degrees in the wrong direction, and said, 
"Oh, Lor'!  There's someone coming in from Ballarat!  Can you see him?"  I just 
pointed to the aircraft I had been watching for the last two or three minutes, 
and said "About two miles, about 2 thousand." "Gee, you're quick!" he said.

Now I admit two things: I was sitting like a gig with nothing to do but look 
out ( :-( ), and I had flown out of Bacchus Marsh for over five years as a 
glider pilot, and I really know it well.  But my friend trained there (it's now 
a mixed operations field), so he should know it well too.  There was no doubt 
in my mind that he had _not_ been keeping what I think is a proper look out, 
and that he was very impressed with my remark that I had been keeping what I 
call a normal look out.

In this case, the other aircraft was at least two miles away when my friend saw 
it.  There was no danger at all.  But my friend realized that without that 
radio call, if he had been alone he might well have flown straight into it 
without even seeing it.  Most salutary.  

I wonder if it might be possible to somehow draw a student pilot's attention
to the fact that he has failed to see a potentially dangerous situation
developing?  Maybe a couple of instructors in collusion (_not_ collision,
please!) could set this up for each of their students?  Sort of "By the way,
what are you going to do when that character who's about 500 feet below you on
the other side of the airfield appears below you in the circuit?" when you're
quite sure your student has lost sight of that other glider.

>if you can't fly for even a few seconds 
>looking in another direction you probably aren't including that 
>direction in your scan. 

Bung on!

Regards, Jane.
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From: petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (HOWARD PETRI)
Subject: Re: K-13 Acro
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: INDIANA U. CYCLOTRON FACILITY, BLOOMINGTON, IN
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:07:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.225254.29408@berlioz.nsc.com>, dinsdale@berlioz.nsc.com (Steve McRobert) writes...
>In article <Bxw10E.6wJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:

>>............My spin story/problems deleted........................

A response from Steve McRobert

>What happens to your airspeed?

This is difficult to say. I don't think I can believe the airspeed indicator
in a spin any more than I can believe it in a slip. The static system can't
handle that situation. I know the wind noise increases though. My senses
lead me to believe that  the speed is not picking up rapidly but I haven't
been waiting to find out, I have been recovering when the event occurs.

>In a spin airspeed will stay low, in a spiral it will pick up rapidly.
>also in a spin trying to pick up the wing with aileron will not work, in
>a spiral it will.
>I haven't flown a K-13 for 2 years, but swindon clubs plane would hardly
>spin at all with 2 adults in it.
>Our (ames california usa) grob won't either with anyone heavy in front.

Well I was the heaviest of the two and I sat in front because I was afraid
of getting the CG too far back. 

>TJ hedding showed me a trick in a grob which is to apply in-spin aileron
>once the spin is established, seems to hold the grob in a spin abit
>longer with a light person in front.

I thought one was supposed to accentuate the stalled condition by holding
in opposite aileron, which I have tried with no success.

Has anybody else tried in spin aileron?

>Steve Mc Robert (a.k.a. Dinsdale Piranha) PP ASEL, Glider, Tow Pilot

Howard Petri
Pegasus (EJ)
From: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: INSTRUCTOR REQUIREMENTS
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS
Reply-To: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 


  A person recently joined our soaring club and has 4000+ hours in many
different aircraft.  Within the past 4 months he has quickly gotten the
Private glider, Commerical glider, and glider instructor rating.  He
already had a power instructor rating which was how he could get the
CFIG so quickly.

  His glider time is now about 15 hours in gliders and about 40
flights.  He now wants to be a club instructor.  There is concern that,
while legal, such a small amount of glider time would not give one the
experience requied to be a safe instructor.

  Do any other clubs have minimum flight times in order to instruct
at their club?

        Any comments? Should we be concerned?

                                                       Guy Byars
From: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com (Andy Deitsch)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: Audio Variometer
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: deitsch@sol.crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research & Development

>I recently purchased an M-20 audio variometer used by hang glider pilots.
>It is wrist mounted. I use it in sailplanes. I do not own my own and
>the gliders that I rent do not have audio variometers.

Ball Variometers makes a model specifically for sailplane pilots.  You
may want to call them to find out more.  They are a small company and
very willing to talk and will probably take the M-20 in exchange if it
is brand new (i.e. no damage).

-- 
_________________________________________________________________________
Andy Deitsch                             email    : deitsch@crd.ge.com  
GE Corporate Research & Development      phone    : (518) 387-7207   
Schenectday, NY 12301                    dial comm: 833-7207
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Subject: Re: Soaring BBS in usa?
From: OWEN@vms.bgu.ac.il (David Owen)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:39:20 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Beer-Sheva Israel, BGU
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13

In <1992Nov15.153003.273@ramon.bgu.ac.il> OWEN@vms.bgu.ac.il writes:

> In <112.1.uupcb@feguy.infoserv.com> guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com writes:
>
> >
> > I am posting this for a friend:
> >
> > For Sale:
> >
> >         DG-400  Motorglider for Sale
> >         1985  390 TT Airframe 22 TT Engine.  Milar Seals, No Damage
> >         History.  Radio, Electric Vario.  Cobra Metal Trailer.
> >         Perfect condition.   $60,000 US
> >
> >         Jim Stoia, Manning SC, USA  803-478-4763
> >
>
> Hello Guy,
> Can You send me more info about Soaring BBS in USA? I fly gliders
> in Israel and wish to open such a bbs in Israel.
> Shalom,
>
> Shlomo Zelkine
> Israel
> 07-710286
> (owen@bguvms)
>
From: sullivanc.sbd-e@rx.xerox.com (Chris Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: Loops and slipstream
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:59:07 GMT
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.

>> it'sjust I would hate to stall at high speed while
>> pulling out of a loop!

> Why?  high speed stalls are easily recognised and corrected.  I've never
> done loops, but on recovery from spins it seems helpful to get into the
> pre-stall buffet, or even mildly stalled, to pull out without gaining a
> lot of speed.

But be careful.  If, on your spin recovery, you overdo the opposite rudder
and end up with some rudder on in the opposite direction (if you see what
I mean), and you stall it, you stand a very good chance of spinning the other
way on the recovery.  Low down this can be a killer, as I am sure you
appreciate.  If you have access to a Puchacz, have a try: I am assured that
it is very spectacular in one of those (as are most spins!)

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: milgram@wam.umd.edu (Judah H. Milgram)
Subject: Re: Improving lookout
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:58:37 GMT


>>That seemed to help but what I would like to try is somekind
>>of exercise to convince people that there lookout isn't what 
>>it should be. Does anyone out there know of such a thing? 

You can tell them, but you probably already have. Nagging doesn't 
always work.

In severe cases, those students who let themselves become hypnotized
by the instruments and neglect to look outside the cockpit can
be cured pretty quickly by yelling 'MIDAIR! MIDAIR!' into their ear 
e.g. every time they start a turn without looking. Merely threatening
to do this has been known to work!


Judah Milgram


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