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From: pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan)
Subject: Re: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:14:13 GMT

sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:


>What exactly does the rule state?
>Igor

 I *think* it says that you can't get a shot off with less than .3 seconds on the clock. I think it also says that with .5 on the clock all you can do is catch and shoot in one motion.  

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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Wolves Fire Rodgers
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:39:23 GMT

In article <C0pM88.59K@ssesco.com> tmorgan@quesadilla.ssesco.com (Toni Morgan) wrote:
> Unfortunately, the caller (who had just heard it on the radio)
> did not hear who would be replacing him.  Anybody know?

Yep, it's Sidney Lowe.  

In his first move as coach, he's going to have the Wolvies practice 25-foot
airballs.  

"Worked for us before", he said.
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
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From: edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Bulls without His Airness
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:39:35 GMT

james wrote:

>of course, without mikey ... no doubt the bulls would have drafted too
>high to draft pippen.

This may seem like a minor detail but actually Pippen was picked 4th by the
Sonics before the Bulls traded for him so they might actually have drafted him
if they didn't have Jordan.

>i find it interesting that grant is highly rated in O boards, but not in
>Total boards.  perhaps an overabundance of balls bouncing around on the
>bulls offensive end? ;-)

I'm anything but a bulls fan but I think the reason Grant gets such a high %
of his boards on the offensive glass is because he's a quick rebounder; one
who works hard but is not a huge, hulking presence (a la Karl Malone) and he
runs a lot more than Rodman (who sort of defies expalantion, anyway). I
honestly think if Horace would focus on defensive boards he could get a lot
more.

Ed O.
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Spurs, etc.
Date: 07 Jan 93 21:22:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Willie, Spurs' guards

In article <OLIVER.93Jan5213705@coate.mit.edu>, oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
> 
> Word is he'll be practicing in a couple of weeks.  Actually, I think Ellis
> is the best choice for starter.  For one thing, I think he isn't
> tempermentally suited to be brought off the bench, and despite his
> reputation as a shooter really need to get into the flow of the game.  For
> another, Willie would be a great backup for Elliott at forward, and can
> swin to be a defensive stopper at guard.  
>

This is a good point. In the past, Anderson himself has suggested 
a 6th-man role. If Ellis continues to come around, I would try this.

The SPurs definitely need Willie to return this year. John Lucas is
doing a great job, eventually the lack of versatility in the backcourt
will kill this team. It certainly did in Utah the other night, when
Ellis, Daniels, and De Negro combined for something like 5-28 shooting.

Paul
 
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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Billy Owens reinjured
Keywords: Owens, Warriors
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 04:51:31 GMT

Billy Owens, in his first game back,
reinjured the knee that kept him out of action
for a month.  Owens had been suffering from
partially torn cartiliage in his knee and had missed
15 games.  A MRI a week ago revealed that the knee
had not significantly healed, but because Owens
felt good, the Warriors decided to let him return to
action.

Tonight, in a loss to the Atlanta Hawks, Owens played
about 10 minutes in the first quarter, and had 10 points
and 6 boards.  After he returned in the 2nd quarter,
he jammed his knee, and limped off the court.  

Initial analysis is that the injury is as bad or worse than
the original one.  Owens may now need surgery.  He will
fly back to the Bay Area for further analysis.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers are in Trouble
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:24:17 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.aero.org

In article <1992Dec31.181831.22581@microsoft.com> paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
|> 
|
|In both cases, you would making a move to improve your team. But the 
|above "deal" surely wouldn't open much salary room for Houston, and
|anyway, who are they going to that would make this worthwhile? Re
|the second point, Hakeem (a) asks for a raise and (b) stands up to
|one of the worst front offices in basketball. This makes him a 
|malcontent? Only to those who fall for the Rockets' party line...
|
|Paul

I have to agree with Paul's reasoning here. Last season, *perhaps* the
Rockets might have nibbled at Scott, Worthy, and Vlade for Hakeem. This
year, at least so far, I don't think they're even bothering to listen.
You can say anything you want about the salary cap or trading malcontents;
at this point, this trade would be foolish for the Rockets, and I think
they know it.

			R.S.

PS   Happy New Year, Guys (& Gals :-)

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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:11:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.092551.19979@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <43013@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
>>Maybe sometime in the next week, if I have time, I will actually
>>calculate the opponents'-points-per-possession (OPPPPP?) stat for
>>each team for last year.  (I don't think I have current data
>>available.  If somebody can provide me with it, I'd be most
>>appreciative.)
>
>      Sorry, I don't have 'em.  The USA Today gives great individual stats, 
>but incomplete team stats.  Don't know where to get complete team stats...
>maybe The Sporting News?
>
>    Mike Tamada

the files, 92 and 92-wide, in /misc/doc/nbastats/facts/stats have the
individual 1991-1992 totals under each team, but it doesnt have the team
totals.  an approximation may be obtained by adding up the individuals, but,
with mid-season trades, they wont be accurate.  :-(

tony - we are also interested in that regression analysis you ran for 1990-
1991.  you will need these team totals for that as well, when you run it
on last year's data.  i wonder what will change in the coefficients?

- nate
(it may have been /doc/misc/nbastats/facts/stats...that was a year ago:-)
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Please wake me up!!!
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:31:52 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
NNTP-Posting-Host: halcyon.aero.org

In article <1993Jan6.131102.49@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> centeno@pasadena-dc.bofa.com (R. CENTENO) writes:
|
|I cannot believe the Lakers beat chicago again.  Is this the team that lost to
|Dallas, Sacramento, and Milwaukee???  Randy Pfund should get angry with the 
|team every night if it will make them play.  Anthony Peeler and Duane Cooper
|played very well.  Peeler even blew by Jordan a couple of times.
|
|
|Somebody please help me out of this totally confused state i'm in.

Hey, don't feel so bad. I'm in the padded cell right next door.

I've decided that this year's Laker team is actually the macroscopic
manifestation of a stochastic process involving high-energy particles
in a sealed container. The emergent properties of the system are such
that the correct sequence of collisions, momentum transfers, gamma
emissions, changes in electron valence levels, and other numerous
quantum-mechanical properties which taken together correspond to a Laker
victory, appears totally at random. The process is non-deterministic, 
the problem is NP-complete, and there is no known method to predict
successive states of the system.

Or some such shit.

			R.S.
From: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE nyk30orl27.08jan93
Reply-To: greg@duke.cs.unlv.edu (Greg Wohletz)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:05:21 GMT

In article <C0pLzo.5z6@NeoSoft.com>, claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
scott,dennis      41  10  19   4 10   5  6   0  1   2  3  0  3  1  0  0  0   29
skiles,scott      40   3  11   0  2   3  3   0  3   5  3  2  3  0  0  0  0    9

) Is there some rule that Orlando can never
) have more than three people in double

Perhaps, for sure Scott and Skiles are never allowed to have good
games at the same time...

							--Greg
From: cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Protest system unfair? (Re: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss)
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:25:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego


I've got to wonder if the protest system isn't unfair to the team in
whose favor the officials erred.

Let's take, for example, the recent game in which the referees erred
in San Antonio's favor by not awarding Phoenix a free throw for San
Antonio's Six Men on the Floor violation.  (Let's assume, for the
sake of discussion, that it's a legitimate protest that will be
upheld.  By the time this article makes it out to the net, we should
know, one way or the other.)

Once the error is made, San Antonio is in a very unfortunate
position of having to win twice.  If San Antonio loses the game, the
result stands.  But if they win, the game (well, the part of the
game after the protest) will be protested and replayed.

Look at it this way:  suppose that, it tonight's game against
Detroit, the same situation arises.  With the score tied with 0.4
remaining in regulation, San Antonio has six men on the floor.  The
officials (who either haven't been following the news, or don't
learn from the mistakes of other officials) stop play to allow San
Antonio to take a man off the floor.  Detroit goes on to win the
game.  Since the officials' error was in San Antonio's favor, the
result stands.

This is grossly unfair to San Antonio.  They win the Phoenix game,
so that game is replayed from the point of the error.  But they lose
the Detroit game, so that result stands.  Unfair.  After all, it's
not San Antonio's fault that the officials keep erring in their
favor.  (Well, it *is* their fault that they keep putting an extra
man on the floor, but this is not an appropriate penalty for that
violation.)



I wonder if the system ought to allow games to be protested even if
the officials' error is in favor of the team that ultimately loses
the game.

Opinions?



Tony
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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Team Standings and Stats
Keywords: Warriors
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02:03:38 GMT

Thanks to Doug Steele for his outstanding job on NBA stats.
Among other things, these stats point out 3 facts regarding the
Warriors: 

(1) The Warriors are a now a good rebounding team.

The Warriors have the NBA's 9th best rebounding difference.  On average,
they are outrebounding their opponents by 1.4 boards per game.  For the
last 10 games, they are 3rd best in the league with a 5.4 rpg advantage.
A lot of this improvement is due to the improvement in Tyrone Hill's
numbers.  This year he is averaging 9.5 rpg, and 11.6 rpg for the last
10 games. 

(2) The Warriors defense, especially lately, is much improved.

The Warriors opponents FG % is the 12th lowest in the league, at 0.467,
but for the last 10 games, they are ranked 4th, at 0.445.
Overall, they still are the 3rd worst team in points allowed at 112.7 ppg,
but for the last 10 games, they have improved to 18th spot, only allowing
107.3 ppg.

(3) Turnovers continue to plague the team. 
The Warriors are 7th in the league in turnovers, averaging 17.10 per game.
The last 10 games they moved up to 6th, with 17.30 per game.

					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: rgh@unislc.uucp (Rich Hannon)
Subject: Re: how bad is Dallas? (Was: BOX and NOTES: MN vs DAL 1/2/93)
Reply-To: rgh@unislc.UUCP (Rich Hannon,D1Z01,6628)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:20:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.184927.62482@cc.usu.edu> alanj@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.201148.22299@rti.rti.org>, wgr@rti.rti.org writes 
>> How bad is Dallas?  It looks like they have their sights set on being the
>> worst team (relatively speaking) in NBA history.  I figured they'd compete

Now, consider this interesting scenario... Jim Jackson refuses to sign
with Dallas so he says he will make himself eligible for next year's
draft. Considering how weak that draft is supposed to be he might be the
best player available. Considering how lousy Dallas is they could most
easily win the lottery.  So they could have another shot at Jackson.
But if they pick him Jackson would refuse to sign, so Dallas would be
terrible again next year. etc. etc.  Why, they could keep Jackson poor
forever!!!  ( :-) for the humorly challenged)
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Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 11:26:04 MST
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Subject: Re: was Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...)
Distribution: na
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)

In article <1993Jan6.150350.7745@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>Pippen has improved in each of his last 5 seasons:
>
>Year   FG%   FT%   RPG  APG  PPG
>87-88 .463  .576   3.8  2.1  7.9
>88-89 .476  .668   6.1  3.5 14.4
>89-90 .489  .675   6.7  5.4 16.5
>90-91 .520  .706   7.3  6.2 17.8
>91-92 .506  .760   7.7  7.0 21.0
>
>And he's currently on track to improve his RPG and APG again this season.

I'm not much of a Bulls/Pippen fan at all, but those stats are very
impressive...  I wonder how long he will keep improving...

>What does all this mean?  He's better because opposing defenses don't
>pay him as much attention as Jordan?  He's better because he has been
>Jordan's understudy over the past 5 seasons?  He's better because he's
>better?  

I think he's better because he's better, BUT you can't deny that having
Jordan on the team helps out a bit...

Justin.
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From: robinr@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (ROBIN RYAN NEIL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE ind27nyk26.29dec92
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:34:20 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

ind 91, nyk 97   29dec92

Flagrant Foul:  oakley 5:54 fourth

ind (13-14)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
davis,dale        33   2   6   0  0   2  4   3 14   1  4  2  1  0  0  0  0    6
schrempf,detlef   45   5  12   0  4   9 14   1  9   5  3  0  4  0  0  0  0   19
smits,rik         20   3   6   0  0   2  2   0  1   1  3  0  2  1  0  0  0    8
miller,reggie     45   8  16   0  3   7  7   2  5   4  3  3  4  0  0  0  0   23
richardson,pooh   35   6  13   0  2   0  0   3  5   7  4  2  4  0  0  0  0   12
thompson,lasalle  14   2   5   0  0   0  0   0  2   1  4  0  1  0  0  0  0    4
sealy,malik       28   5   8   1  1   5  6   0  2   0  5  1  1  0  0  0  0   16
mitchell,sam      12   0   3   0  1   1  2   0  2   0  3  0  3  0  0  0  0    1
dreiling,greg      8   0   2   0  0   2  2   0  2   0  3  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ind totals       240  31  71   1 11  28 37   9 42  19 32  8 20  1  0  0  0   91
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .437   .091   .757       team rebs  8

nyk (17- 9)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
oakley,charles    28   2   3   0  0   1  2   4 13   3  6  2  1  0  0  0  1    5
smith,charles     28   6  13   0  0   1  2   1  6   1  6  0  4  0  0  0  0   13
ewing,patrick     44  11  22   0  0   7 10   0  9   0  2  5  1  4  0  0  0   29
anthony,greg      38   6  13   0  3  11 15   1  4   8  2  5  1  1  0  0  0   23
blackman,rolando  39   8  14   0  4   2  3   0  2   2  4  1  1  0  0  0  0   18
mason,anthony     32   2   6   0  0   1  1   1  5   5  6  0  2  0  0  0  0    5
starks,john       18   0   4   0  1   2  4   0  1   6  0  1  1  0  0  0  0    2
williams,herb      4   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
davis,hubert       3   0   0   0  0   2  2   0  0   1  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    2
campbell,tony      6   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  1   1  2  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nyk totals       240  35  76   0  8  27 39   7 42  27 30 14 14  5  0  0  1   97
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .461   .000   .692       team rebs 10
procedure technicals 1

ind   16  21  23  31  -   91
nyk   19  24  26  28  -   97

attendance 19763, time 2:16, officials: JForte,DJones,KMauer
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:07:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Dec29.000059.25884@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>What do all you Utah Jazz fans, who claimed Charles Barkley couldn't hold
>Karl Malone's jockstrap, have to say now?  Or that fool Portland fan who
>claimed Jerome Kersey was better for the Blazers than Barkley when rumors
>surfaced last season about Sir Charles possibly moving to the great north
>west?  Or any other Barkley distractors, for that matter?  The guy can and
>does do it all!

Agreed, Charles is and has been for quite some time a marvelous all around
player.

Now is it just me or is anybody else getting sick of every sports announcer
and ESPN commentator ad nauseum saying "boy Charles is having an MVP year
in Phoenix, he is playing the best ball of his career. He was dogging it in
Philly but now he is playing hard"? Charles is playing no better now than
he did in Philly, he simply has a better supporting cast.

The old media trick, great players on so-so teams are selfish and not 
"winners", great players on great teams are team players who will do
anything to win, even if they are both the same player.




Russ Smith
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"Chapeau means hat, oeuf means egg, its as if those French have a different 
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From: dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois)
Subject: Re: Paxson sucks (was Re: Phoenix is absol
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:03:38 GMT

hillyard@msc.cornell.edu writes:

>From article <1ia9v9INNbor@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, by bih@mowgli.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware):
>> Harry Koehnemann writes:
>>>I find it really amusing how people don't understand basketball.  
>>>There are dozens of guys that could look great next to Jordan.  
>>>Paxon just happens to be that lucky guy.  Whoever guards Paxon will almost 
>>>every time down the court pay as much attention to Jordan as they will Paxon.

>Last time this came up I posted a comparison of Paxsons stats with the Bulls
>(w Jordan) and I think it was San Antonio (wo Jordan).  They are the same.
>Paxsons stats are not inflated because of playing next to Jordan.

How many games do you have to go on?  You cant really compare results of
two games for a player and extraploate that into an entire season w.o
Jordan.

-Dan
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From: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:29:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.005749.4175@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
>Anybody have any idea when the ruling will be, and if the protest is upheld,
>what the likely result will be? It doesn't seem right to give the win to
>Phoenix, but would they really set up the score and time as it was when the
>T wasn't called and start there with Phoenix shooting the free throw?

If the protest is upheld, the game will be replayed from the T.  Phoenix
shoots a T, SA then inbounds the ball with .4 of a second left in regulation.
If the Suns make the T and SA misses - Suns win.  Otherwise, the OT is
replayed until we have a winner.  The game would take place the next time the
Suns visit SA (end of Feb I think).  I hope the protest game is played *after*
the real won - I want whoever's shooting that T to be nice and loose.

>The league usually supports the refs, and it's not likely that
>Phoenix will have a whole lot of sympathy from anyone other than its fans.

Phoenix filed the complaint and SA has responded saying the refs didn't give
them enough time to get their guys on the court.  The league could use that
as the excuse for allowing the refs to violate the NBA rules.  From the tapes
you can see that's bullshit.  Everyone's that's on the court thinks their
supposed to be there - no one's making their way back to the bench.  Then
again, maybe I'm a little biased.
--
Harry Koehnemann
enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: QUESTION: 1st NBA 3pt shot?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:59:00 GMT

In article <RPM.93Jan4081616@bach.wag.caltech.edu> rpm@bach.wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller) writes:
>
>Trivia Question for all of the NBA Trivia Genii on the net...
>
>Who hit the NBA's first 3 point shot?
>
>     	  	    	      -Herzog, Saul Bellow

none other than the current coach of the Celts, Chris Ford.

- nate