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From: fall266@cse.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: East Pakistani (!) Jamati strikes on Victory Day
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:29:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>In article <1gtmgsINN3db@crcnis1.unl.edu>, fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>>mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>No, I do not derive inspiration from Bhutto & co. But probably you know
>about the hadith about the dead dog and Jesus Christ. Everybody else said
>what a rotten dog; but Jesus said look how white his teeth. What I value is
>their sacrificing their life to stick on to what they believed in: the victory
>of mind over matter. Their ideal may be wrong; but that's a different story.
 I am sorry I dont have a very good communication skills there for is it 
possible for you to clearify what do really mean and My knowledge of Islam is 
limited there for I really never heard this hadith if possible give me a refference where I can find the actual hadith.

>>But may you are christian You belive that Jesus was died we dont. 

>Quite confusing to guess my religious identity, eh. I am a Bahai and I am
>certain you pray for my death also. Can you give me the sunna where Islam
>asks you to pray for the death of somebody. The social newsgroups are not
>a place to discuss Jesus's death: which has been beaten to death in religious
>groups.
>LOve
>Arindam
I was not sure I relly do not consider Bahai as a religion to suppose for some one.  For example it was most unlikely for a person to be bhai then christian.  that is why i used "may". 
I presyed for even my death actaully it was a good wish my self that if I day to day what kind of death i will wish for my self.  Every body has the right to chose his Ideals for his life and death.  I simply meant that when ever suppose Banazir die she get the "Shahadat " like her father.  I think it is very good pray for some one to have an end of his life according to his wishes.  You may not agree with me but that what i think.  For me this is a test for a personal atachment .
You have still not responded to the verse of Bible you can e.mail me if you want to avoid any discussion in the group.

I belive that one of the key responsible of the IMF is bhai.  So where is love for every one when IMF sucks the blood of poor third world countries by charging interest ob the investment. I know even in bangladesh they dictated the taxes for street person.
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: 22 years of Liberation, Zindabad !!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:11:50 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


                 CONGRATULATIONS ON BANGLADESH'S BIRTHDAY 

        
             Let us all pledge that we shall fight oppression
             and liberate ourselves from tyranny and evil.

              " ....abar asibo phirey, dhansiritir tirey,
                 hoito ba manush noi, hoito ba sankhochil,
                 beshey, kuasar bukey bhesey asibo
                 e kaantal chchayayay..... "

               " ... thurthurey ondho pencha esey boleni ki:
                 buri chchand gechchey bhuji benojoley bhesey,
                 Chomotkar ! Dhora jak koeyekta eeindoor ebar !
                 Janai ni ki penchcha esey ei tumul gharo samachchar ?
                 
                 Jiboner ei swad, suppokko jober ghran,
                 tomar oshojhjhyyo bodh holo;
                  morgey ki hridoeye jurolo -
                  morgey ! gumotey, thaetha eindoorer
                  moton rokthomakha thothey ? "


         GOOD LUCK !

            - deb chatterjee
           (a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Let's conratulate her...
Date: 12 Dec 1992 05:46:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


BOSNIA AID BECOMES A PERSONAL MISSION 
 
December 10,1992 
 
BY ALEX TIZON 
 
Seattle Times 
 
 SEATTLE - A newspaper story about war atrocities in the 
former Yugoslavia has inspired a Seattle-area woman to drop 
everything, collect relief supplies and deliver them in 
person to needy refugees in the war-torn region~ 
 Susan Conley of Lake Forest Park will fly out of Seattle-
Tacoma International Airport this morning with 10 boxes of 
winter coats, boots, toys and antibiotics. 
 Her destination: a rural village in  Bosnia-Herzegovina  
named Mijkovici, which has been occupied and razed by 
Serbian soldiers, leaving 49 farming families to live among 
the ruins. 
 "l've never done anything like this," said Conley, 29, a 
communications specialist for an electronics company in 
Redmond, Wash . , east of Seattle . "I am a very methodical 
person. I live a very planned life . " 
 C;onley said she had been following the developments in the 
former Yugoslavia, feeling bad for the land ~nd the people 
she had visited as a tourist two years ago. Then, a little 
over a week ago, she picked up a copy of the Seattle Times, 
which had a front-page story about rape victims in Bosnia. 
 The article's description of one victim, a 60-year-old 
woman.~, who had been gang-raped by Serbian soldiers and 
left devastated and hopeless, especially moved Conley. 
 "It made me want to help her somehow, give her something, 
anything so that she would see there is still love in the 
world." 
 She dug up a flier she had picked up in a church in 
Scottsdale, Ariz., soliciting aid for Bosnian and Croatian 
victims. She called the number and was told four people from 
Scottsdale were leaving for Mijkovici, and that she could go 
with them. 
 "The moment I told her 1 would go 1 was panicked," Conley 
said. "1 was thinking, `What have 1 gotten myself into?' " 
She said she has felt every emotion, including out-and-out 
fear. 
 She felt that fear: most recently while getting travel 
inoculations. her doctor asked if she wanted to borrow his 
bulletproof vest. She said yes. 
 The outpouring of help and support from friends and family 
has helped calm the fear, Conley said. She even managed to 
persuade a friend to come along on her eight-day relief 
mission. 
 "People think we're crazy, but that's all right," said John 
Bucy, 31 , a computer-software engineer from Renton, Wash. 
 Conley and Bucy will take time off work and pay for their 
trip, which is estimated to cost about $2,600 each, with 
their savings. 
 "I won't be buying Christmas presents this year," Conley 
said. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA)
Subject: Even Budhisim does not have caste System
Organization: Nagoya University Computation Center, Nagoya, Japan.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:52:04 GMT


Dear Muslim Brothers/Sisters

        In the discusion of Caste system in Hinduisim, it is
raelly good to hear that there is no Caste system in Islam,
Christianity, or Juddaisim. But I would like to say that even
Budhisim does not have Caste system. Why don't you ever mention
Budhisim? I remember reading a book on Islam, forgot the name.
It compared all religions, their laws and past to prove Islam
a better religion. I proves that Islam cares its women better then
all these religions. 

    But the strange thing was that, it also ignored Budhisim, as
if Budhisim never existed. Don't ignore Budhisim. It will just 
show your ignorance.


-- 
With regards

SUPRATIC GUPTA
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: East Pakistani (!) Jamati strikes on Victory Day
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:01:58 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

Received: from husc9.harvard.edu by brahms.udel.edu with SMTP
	(5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA28007; Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:48:49 -0500
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:45:02 -0500
From: jamati@east.pakistan
Message-Id: <9212162245.AA17413@husc9.harvard.edu>
Apparently-To: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu
Status: RO
X-Status: 

TRAITOR

Go and dance with your Hindu friends.  Why the hell are
you posting letters to the other news groups?
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Fellow Bangladeshis and our well wishers,

Toady (our Victory Day) I was checking for my personal e-mail and
I was shocked to see a snake hiding in my mail box.  I am referring to the
above message that I received from jamati@east.pakistan.  Even though the 
message was sent to me personally, I decided to share it with all of you.
Apparently the jamati bastard has sent me the above message in response to
my posting on scp on Victory Day!

This letter seem to shed some light on our understanding of the Jamaat-e-
Islam's position on the Liberation war and the very existence of our
country - Bangladesh.  As you can see from the sender's address the love
child of Pakistan still believes in East Pakistan (!).  It is no wonder that
a Pakistani bastard named Golam Azam heads Jamaat-e-Islam in Bangladesh,
which is causing a lot of political turmoil.  Today, on the Victory Day let us
make a pledge that we'll eliminate all jamati elements from our motherland.

I am glad that the so called East Pakistani Jamati bastard unmasked his
face and has given an important piece of clue about the belief and mentality
of his other equalminders - the jamatis working in Bangladesh.

Today is the day of victory.  Victory over religious demons of Pakistanis.
So of course, I will be delighted to dance with my Hindu, Buddists, Christian,
Tribal, and Muslim friends to celebrate our Victory over those collaborators.

Smash all jamatis.  We'll win the next battle of Racial Harmony.  We'll
celebrate another victory.  Joy Bangla.

Khaleq

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Amar E desh sob manusher
Hindu, Muslim, Buddists, Christian Desh Mata Ek Sokoler (Line from a patriotic
Bengali song sung during the Liberation War)

Translation:  My country is for all people
Hindu, Muslim, Buddist, Christian the country is for all
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From: kabir@ihsan.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Child Labor Studies
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:31:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kabir@ihsan.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ihsan

I am looking for studies on child labor in South Asia and the
contribution of children to the GNP of these countries. Please
respond by email.

Many thanks in advance,

- Ihtisham Kabir
kabir@sun.com


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:40:00 GMT

In article <1glkvtINN91@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>, ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes...
> 
>In article <15DEC199216094117@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
> 
>> 	I have not read anything about equality in voting and property 
>> 	ownership between men and women, in Quran, please state the
>> 	reference if you think so.
>> 	I have an impression though that two female witnesses are
>> 	equal to one male witness and also the heritage laws put two
>> 	shares for male dependent compared with one share for the 
>> 	female dependent [for example among brothers and sisters].
>> 
> 
>Your impressions are wrong and characteristic of the standard
>anti-Islamic propaganda the western media loves.  

	A typical attitude, lots and lots of sentimental statements 
	no substance.

>The issues you raise
>above have been discussed in the past on several of the groups you
>posted this to, as well as in soc.religion.islam.
>  The one male
>witness is equal to two female witnesses is incorrect, and I have
>shown this many times in the past.  
	
	I have missed the arguments you gave (somehow), but wonder
	how can you say that, or may be you belong to group of
	muslims who consider parts of Quran invalid. I would
	just say that even in ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN
	this has been instituted now (In case you are not following
	the recent Islamisation in Pakistan).

>The inheritance laws are not
>identical for men and women, but they are very complex -- there are
>some situations in which men are favored and some in which women are.
> 
	It is not at all complex. You remind me my islamiat teacher
	who also thought that it is very complex but then I found
	it was so for him because he did not know fractions!
	I must give in that there might be some practical problems
	like what would be 66.666666 % of a TV set? Obviously these types
	of questions would not have occured at the time of Mohammad.
	[Use of word identical is incorrect, UNEQUAL will be better]

>> 	[I wonder if these MUSLIMS have ever read QURAN in their life]
> 
>Have you?
> 
	well let us check who has! [HATH KUNGEN KO ARSI KAYA]
	Let me give you an example of a family. Father, one son and a
	daughter, Mother has died and father's parents are dead too.
        (assume all other relatives are dead ). Now in case Father dies, 
	how much the daughter and son will share?
	[You can extend this example to any complex scheme you wish
	 and check the relative shares of one brother and sister? 
	 Please dont come up with sentimental statements just give
	 me the numbers.]


>-- Shakil


Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sih@next05epsl.wam.umd.edu (Y Do U Ask)
Subject: Re: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:54:43 GMT

> The earthquake department of Allah's adiministration destroyed
> nearly a dozen mosques in INDONESIA by causing a powerful earthquake
> on 15 devcember.
> 
> BBC reported that this powerful earthquake killed over 1000 people 
> and injured several thousand others.
> 
> QUESTIONS:
> 
> 1) Why did Allah destroyed mosques which were build to pray him
> not one, but five times a day by very devout people?
> 
> 2) Will their be a protest in Islamic Countries against Allah
> for wanton and dastardly act of destruction of not one, but nearly
> a dozen places of worship?.
> 
> Will protesters take to street against Allah and burn few more places
> of worship in rage? 
> 
> 3) Can Allah be declared a fanatic of other religion for destroying 
> places of worship?
> 
> 4) Can Allah be banned for religious offence?
> 
> 5) Is there a quranic sura that explains why Allah himself caused
> destruction of mosque? Is there any hadith about it?
> 
> 6) can isssue be raised in UN security council for this anti-islamic
> act of Allah by Organisation of Islamic Nations?
> 
> (It is a serious post. So please start a flame war against Allah.)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> bkumar


I have kept myself from posting in this news group but I just couldn't  
help replying this idiotic post. Before I start anything I would like to  
thank you Mr. bkumar for your kind and thoughtful questions. Now my  
questions to you :

1) Why did Allah gave you a head only any and no brain? ;)

2) Have you ever thought about suing Allah for that reason? 


Obviously this is a serious reply to your serious post. 

Regards,
Shahed.

P.S. If any one gets enraged with this post don't send me personal mail  
post it in the news group so that everyone can read what you have got to  
say.
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Reconversions (was Re: Babri Masjid demolished)
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:33:38 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes: 

>In article <samaddar.724025290@dumbo>, samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
>writes: 
>> I suspect that forcibly converted people (a) hate their original religion 
>> for having failed to protect them and (b) as a psychological defence 
>mechanism 
>> start believing that they really converted willingly, or (c) like the so 
>> called "Stockholm syndrome" get brainwashed by their tormentors and turn 
>> into willing participants. 

>Isn't this a very simplistic explanation? The question is whether present day
>muslims owe their belief in Islam to invaders or the family in which they were
>born. I really don't see a connection between my belief in Islam and the
>actions
>of "muslim" invaders. They may very well have forcibly converted my forefathers
>to Islam ( which was not the case ) but it has no bearing on my belief in
>Islam.

Actually, my speculation applies only to the initially (forcibly) converted
person. For reasons I mentioned earlier, s/he may remain converted and raise
her/his children in the converted religion. These children attend religious
schools of this religion, share religious ceremonies of this religion with
other kids and gradually grow up without ever realizing that their parents
were forcibly converted. From that point of time, all their descendants grow
up as "regular" followers of this religion.

Of course, I don't claim that all Indian Muslims were converted by force. But
some may have been.

Sumitro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Secularism in Bangladesh
Followup-To: A.R.Khan's reply to my posting
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:16:44 GMT

Brother A.R. Khan writes in his reply to my posting that I am
illicitly generalizing the Muslim sentiment of the Bangladeshis
by saying in my article that most of the Muslims in BD believe in
secularism.  He asked me how can I be so sure.  Well, answer to this question
lies in our first contitution, which guaranteed secularism as the basic
principle for the country.  True there were many amendments done by the
military regims, but no public mandate was taken to do so.  Besides, the
major political parties (I would like to declare at this point that I
am not a supporter of any of these parties) including Awami League, NAP,
JSD, BSD, CPB, part of BNP advocate secularism as their principle.  Can
anyone deny to this fact?  Now if you add up all these parties, will
they represent the majority of the Bangladeshis or not?  Honestly no
one can deny that.  Everyone is familiar with the public sentiment in
our country.  Everyone probably has read about the 4-mile-long human chain
that was formed by the "Ghatok Dala Nirmul Committee" headed by Jahanara
Imam.  What does that all tell?  You even mentioned how the racial harmony
in Bangladesh is praised by Indian ellites.

With regard to Hindu fundamenlim which want to destroy 2999 more Mosques,
all I can say I will hate any such act as I will do the same if Muslim
fundamentalism advocates to retaliate and plan to destroy any temples.

One can prove whether or not the majority of Bangladeshis believe in
secularism by conducting a survey among the s.c.b. readers, if 
everyone is willing to participate.

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Islam Preaching Equality
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:36:55 GMT

In <1gt3mcINN2elr@bailey.cs.yale.edu> ahmed%bailey@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>I see no reason to follow up to something which is

>1) insulting
>2) void of facts
>3) illogical
>4) completely misses the point of the article that it followed up to

>I've said all I need to say.

	I think you forgot the "Cluck cluck cluck...." :->

>-- Shakil

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: BD beat Sri Lanka in cricket
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:41:38 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
NNTP-Posting-Host: engvms.unl.edu


 
Four matches were decided before the postponement of the SAARC
cricket tournament on 8th december. The tournament will restart
soon for the remaining matches.

In the opening match Bangladesh beat Sri Lanka( with several test
players) by 7 wickets in front of 25000 people. Bangladesh captain 
Nannu put Sri Lanka to bat first. Due to the devastating bowling
of Saiful, Dulu and Prince, Sri Lanka was all out for only 85 runs.
A fine batting performance by Navel (38 runs) and Nannu( 32 runs)
helped Bangladesh to win the match.

In another match Pakistan managed to beat Bangladesh by 5 wickets
after struggling early ( Pakistan was 23 for 3 at one point).

In other two matches India beat Pakistan by 9 wickets and
Sri Lanka by 67 runs.

The top two teams will play in the final. India is sure to go
in the final. The other spot is open to any of the other
teams ( at least Mathematically).

---Zakir

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: imc7142@venus.tamu.edu (CHOUDHURY, IFTEKHARUDDIN MOHAMM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Victory Day and Jamat
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:11 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu
Keywords: Bangladesh
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I was disturbed to see some obnoxious and psychopathic outbursts
in response to Khalequzzaman's congratulatory note on the Victory
Day of Bangladesh (re: Jamat and M. Ibrahim).

It is obvious that Jamat still does not believe in Bangladesh as
as sovreign nation and probably feels 'proud' of the heinous crimes
its members committed during the war of liberation. If the activities
of these fundamentalists are not curbed, then they will continue to
to sow the dragonteeth of further violence in Bangladesh.

As for M. Ibrahim, he is probably not aware that the Biharis, in
general,acted as agents of the Yahya regime and collaborated with the
Pakistani army to commit a genocide that is regarded as one of the worst 
in the history of mankind. These people were known as 'Razakars'. They,
along with the members of Jamat, were instrumental in embarking on a
progrom to eliminate the entire intelligentia of Bangladesh in order
to cripple the nation culturally. A war was imposed on the people
of Bangladseh by the Pakistani military junta and their collaborators;
they had no other alternative but to fight back.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Tribals/Palestinians and ethics (was Mi
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:48:20 GMT

In article GBr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:

> In my opinion a majority of Chakma`s do not want independance. Let us hold
> a plebiscite in the region asking if they want 1) independance 2) autonomy
> 3) maintenance of the staus quo. If they choose independance, (which is
> extremely unlikely) I guess we will have no moral right to force them to be
> a part of Bangladesh. 
> regards 
> Rafat Sadiq
> 
   
Exactly my point!!! I wonder why some people find it so hard to face the fact!

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Request: Address of the Bangladesh PM
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:13:01 GMT

Could someone email me the correct address of the Prime
Minister of Bangladesh.

What I have currently is:

       Bangabhaban,
       Dhaka, Bangladesh

Is this correct?

Many thanks,
Zunaid Kazi
kazi@cis.udel.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh