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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 07:04:27 GMT

In article <76164@apple.apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>It also might be worth writing to Yamaha, and 
>explain the situation - they are probably in a better position to
>do something.

Don't count on it.  Yamaha has to stay on good terms with
their dealers, or risk having to go shopping for someone
new who's willing to pay the financing to keep stock on the
sales floor and in the parts bins.

That's why parts are hard to find and expensive, too.  Shop
that keep enough parts in stock to have a good chance of
being able to sell you what you need off the shelf wind up
with so many older, unsold parts that too much of their
capital is tied up and not making money.  So they lose out
in competition with sell-more-bikes schlock artists like
Grand Prix (and they're far from the worst!) and their old
parts get auctioned off.
--

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    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Subject: Re: question about out-of-state licenses
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:40:32 GMT

My neighbor across the way works the drivers license desk at DMV.  She
confirms that even if the entering driver has a license from another
state, s/he must present proof of completion of the California course if
under 21.  

Your friend might check with the local congresscritter on this one, but
it seems to be solid.
				-edg
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From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Right Hand Turns
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:30:35 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg) writes:

>My own _guess_ is that somebody important got caught at that corner and
>used some influence to get the shoulder restriped (actually, unstriped.)

Sounds like a good guess to me.  Kinda like the road in front of my
building at work that used to be 25 MPH.  Everyone would drive about
35, and those that went a wee bit over that collected tickets.  Not
long after the cops started concentrating on the area, the limit
suddenly changed to 30, so that now virtually no one was more than 10
over.
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:41:51 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud

In article <1993Jan6.191518.9211@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>I was surprised to hear of your problem.  Tom and I have used Grand
>Prix for a long time.
[...]
>Pete doesn't get much business from the race bike, either, as Tom
>and Roger do all the work on that themselves.  We've ordered a few
>parts for it, but that's all.

The difference may have much to do with the fact that Tom does all the
work on his race bike himself, whereas Chuck walks in off the street
and says, "hey, I just bought this FJ1100 and it's my first bike and I
want someone knowledgeable to look at it."

Ethics isn't how you treat the pro's.  Ethics is how you treat the suckers.

I think a well-documented complaint to CityBike and the BBB would probably
be the best thing to remind them of that.


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From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Int. Moto. Show
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:34:07 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

Eric,

No old European motorbikes as far I know and not much support for
them at this show. Not much in the way of European bikes anyway...
like wouldn't it be nice to see "show specimens" of the new Nortons
and Triumphs. Sorry.

Nonetheless, a Ducati will be raffled apparently.

By the way, did you know about euro-moto? You might be interested
in subscribing... 

Cheers

DAVE
1970 750 Norton Commando Fastback - "Funky Cold Medina"
1973 850 Norton Commando Roadster/Fastback hybrid - "Baby Echidna"

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From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: does this count as lane splitting?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:00:48 GMT

Michael Robinson (robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>  Or suddenly open the passenger door to drop someone off (hey, it happens).

>  Be careful.  Be prepared.

Yes, that reminds me, I was going to add that you need especially to
watch out for parked car doors being suddenly opened, too.  It's
extremely dangerous.  I've almost been creamed more than once on
my bicycle, and one time on my motorcycle I actually punched the
end of a woman's driver-side door with my case-savers and put a
small divot in the end of her door.  Had she opened the door a
millisecond sooner, I'd've been inside the car with her.

She actually thought it was my fault and was screaming bloody murder
at me; no matter that I kept reminding her she could've killed me.
I had to photocopy the relevant portion of the vehicle code and deliver
it to her mailbox before she would deign to call up and apologize.

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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: rachelk@sco.COM (Rachel Sara Kaplan)
Subject: Re: Int. Moto. Show
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 14:19:02 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.214741.9300@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> paulos@roma.berkeley.edu (Eric Paulos) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if the show includes old European motorcycles for sale.
>Also old
>European bike parts, manuals, and literature?  Specifically, is this
>only a show of new
>bikes and accesories?
>
>
>-Eric Paulos           (paulos@robotics.berkeley.edu)


Well, this is primarily a new bike show, but there are some new 
european motorcycles and there are so many dealers and suppliers
there that even if they don't have stock there they may be able 
to help you after the show, if you are looking for places for parts
and information on parts.  They also have exhibits of some of older
bikes there.  All and all its a really fun show and lots to see.


-Rachelk

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From: me@delft.Berkeley.EDU (My Account)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Winter gas (an update)
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:38:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: delft.berkeley.edu

For those of you who might be interested, the mandatory period for oxygenated  
gasolines during wintertime months is

	November 1 through January 31

So if you're thinking about rejetting your carbs to accomodate the new gas
anytime soon, you'll probably have to do it all over again after the end
of the month.

Further, the only time during the normal operation of an engine where  
oxygenated fuels is of use is during warm-up.  Cold gas doesn't atomize  
particularly fast, and therefore does not burn particularly complete.  Adding  
an additional amount of readily available oxygen (from the added ethanol and  
ether) allows for a more complete combustion, yielding a lesser amount of  
unburned hydrocarbon coming from the tailpipe.  And during the wintertime, when  
warm-up times are longest, is when adding oxygenates are of the most use.

Of course once the engine is warm, putting more oxygenates competes with the  
normal hydrocarbons that gives an engine power, and hence yields lower power  
and gas mileage.


Adding more fuel to the fire,

Jeff Louie
Xref: sparky ba.seminars:763 alt.cyberpunk:6950 rec.arts.misc:438
From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.misc
Subject: YLEM (Artists Using Science and Tech) Forum: -- Art and Physics -
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:20:18 GMT
Followup-To: ba.seminars
Distribution: ca
Organization: LOCKHEED, Sunnyvale, CA


	YLEM - Artists Using Science and Technology
	    announces their next forum:

		ART AND PHYSICS    

	Wednesday, January 6, 7:30 pm
	McBean Theatre, The Exploratorium
	3601 Lyon Street, San Francisco, CA
	Info: Trudy Reagan 415-856-9593

	YLEM Forums are free and open to the public.  YLEM is a 
	group of people interested in Art and Science.  Anyone 
	with an interest in Art and/or Science is welcome!
	Come and meet some like minded Artomata...  

	This is also a FREE NIGHT at the Exploratorium so come early 
	and enjoy the exhibits!

	THE PROGRAM:

		Leonard Shlain, MD
	
			Shlain talks on his book of the same name (Art and
			Physics), showing many examples that had to be 
			omitted from the book.  Later he will discuss the
			Origin of the Left Brain.  At intermission we will
			talk with artists staging an exhibit in the lobby -
			artists whose work ties in with the lectures.

			The thesis of Leonard Shlain's book, Art and Physics,
			is unusual:

			   Art interprets the visual world, physics charts 
			   its workings - and so the two seem completely
			   opposed.  But in this brilliant piece of cultural
			   detective work, Shlain tracks their breakthroughs
			   side by side throughout history to reveal an 
			   astonishing coincidence of visions.

			   From classical Greek sculptors to Andy Warhol and 
			   Jasper Johns, and from Aristotle to Einstein, 
			   artists foreshadow the discoveries of scientists, 
			   sometimes by more than a century.

			   (Description from the book jacket.  Published by
			    Wm. Morrow and Co., Inc.  Available from Media
			    Magic, PO Box 598, Nicasio, CA 94946 )

	ART IN THE LOBBY:

		Kit Morrow Pravda :  computer photomontage

		Eugene Tsui       :  visionary architecture.

		Ken Rinaldo       :  interactive interspecies art

		Carter Emmart     :  3-D computer art

		Trudy Myrrh Reagan:  art exploring science concepts

		Jeff Murray       :   of the Holography Institute, art that
					is applied physics

		Therese Lahaie    :  glass sculptor

		A New Species of Form, videos about a 3-D optical illusion
		invented by Raymond Bareiss.

	-- and more!


	YLEM
	Box 749
	Orinda, California
	94563
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth)
Subject: SEF UNIX SIG Jan. 12: Changed Speaker
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:04:21 GMT

Ori Sasson, Founder and Chairman of Scopus Technology, will be speaking,
rather than Aaron Omid.

----- Begin Included Message -----

                Software Entrepreneurs' Forum (SEF)

               UNIX SIG, January 12: UNIX Groupware

Aaron Omid, Founder and VP, Scopus Technology, will speak at the January 12
SEF Unix SIG Meeting on "Groupware for UNIX - Working with ProTeam."

Omid founded Scopus in 1990 to develop a Unix groupware product that would
allow different departments within a company to communicate with each other. 
Many companies use Scopus's ProTeam to facilitate their technical support,
customer support, and sales support departments. ProTeam uses Sybase as its
base, but runs under X-window interfaces.  Notably, Scopus is revenue producing
and has managing to become successful without VC support.  

Refreshments and Product Demos by Scopus Technology.

January UNIX SIG Meeting
=========================

Date:         Tuesday, January 12, 1993
Place:        Digital Equipment Corporation
              800 West El Camino Real, Mountain View
              (Corner of Castro and El Camino Real)
Time:         7:00 - 9:15
Cost:         Free for SEF members, $10 for non-members
Information:  Priscilla Rowe, Very Good Communications
              415/546-4950, verygood3@aol.com
SEF Info:     415/854-7219

No-Host Pre-SIG Dinner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
====================================

Join us for buy-your-own dinner before the SIG meeting:

Time:         5:30-6:45
Place:        Harry's Hofbrau
              399 West El Camino Real, MV  
              (A little south of DEC, across the street)

Find us in the "back room."  You can buy dinner for < $5.00.


----- End Included Message -----
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth)
Subject: SEF Dinner Meeting Jan. 20: Workflow Technologies
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:44:07 GMT

                Software Entrepreneurs' Forum (SEF)

        Monthly Dinner Meeting, Wednesday, January 20, 1993

                      Workflow Technologies

Tom White, President and CEO of Action Tehnologies, will speak on
how to incorporate workflow technologies into software products.
He is recognized as an expert and a proponent of workflow and related
collaborative computing technolgies, such as groupware.

Tom will talk about the market as a whole and how software developers
can ride the trends, even with products that don't traditionallly
fall into the categories of workflow and groupware software. 

Where:   Elk's Lodge, 4249 El Camino Real, Palo Alto
         (between Charleston and San Antonio Road)

Time:    6:30 p.m. - No host bar, social networking
         7:00 p.m. - Dinner

Price:   $20 members, $30 non-members

Reserve: SEF voice mail reservation line (415/965-9003)

Info:    SEF office (415/854-7219 or 415/364-1571)

SEF, started in 1983, is a leading Silicon Valley-based non-profit
organization dedicated to software entrepreneurs, with over 900
members. SEF informs and educates its members on all facets of the
software industry -- ranging from technical innovation to product
development, marketing, and sales. The group offers entrepreneurs a
sense of community and is a valuable forum for exchanging ideas.

SEF also sponsors 10 special interest groups, which meet once a
month: Unix, Business Operations, DOS, Intelligent Systems, Macintosh,
Marketing, Multimedia, Networking, Pen Software, and  Windows.
Xref: sparky ba.seminars:766 alt.dads-rights:3141 alt.child-support:4108 ba.general:5479
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,ba.general
Subject: January Meeting of the Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:52:39 GMT
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys. at Law, San Mateo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com



The January meeting of the Bay Area Chapter of the Fathers' Rights &
Equality Exchange will be held on Wednesday, January 13th, at 7:00
p.m..

January's guest speaker will be Wendy Morck, Esq..  Ms. Morck
practices family law in the San Mateo area, however prior to going
into private practice, Ms. Morck worked for the child support
collection unit of the District Attorney's office.  This promises to
be an interesting meeting, and I'm sure you will all have lots of
questions for Ms. Morck!

The meeting will be held in the San Mateo location, at 441 First
Avenue, San Mateo.  To get there, take 101 to 3rd Avenue West.  Make a
right on Delaware, and a left on First Avenue.  441 is on the second
block after you turn onto First Avenue.  There is parking on the
street, and in the rear.

See you there!


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From: sml@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Steve M Lazarus)
Newsgroups: ba.seminars
Subject: ACM Meeting 1/14/93 XEROX Document Mgt System
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:45:27 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs


ACM Meeting 1/14/93 XEROX Document Mgt System


On 1/14th San Francisco Bay Area Chapter of ACM  will present
Larry Masinter, Principal Engineer at XEROX PARC talking on
"System 33 . A Prototype Document Management System"
at Hewlett Packard  1501 Page Mill Road  in  Palo Alto

New Format NO DINNER, 7:00 PM SPEAKER,  6:30 p.m. Refreshments

Abstract
System 33 is a prototype document management system, developed at the Xerox Palo
Alto Research Center, which combines elements of document storage, retrieval,
and conversion. Larry Masinter will show a videotape about the System 33
project, the architecture of the system,and some of the lessons learned from the
research project. He.ll then talk about systems research and future directions,
and answer questions.

Biography
Larry Masinter is a principal engineer at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center.
His research interests in the last few years have included distributed document
system architectures, document conversion, and online libraries and information
services.

He started at PARC as a summer student in the early .70s; He was one of the
principle designers and implementors of the Xerox Interlisp system, Xerox Common
Lisp, as well as the evolving ANSI Common Lisp standard. He received a BA in
Mathematics from Rice University, and Ph.D. in Computer Science from Stanford
University.

Dinner
This is not a dinner meeting.

Reservations
Please call (408) 277-0480 for last minute information and to make your
reservations. Users of e-mail (Unix Internet) will find this meeting announced
under the heading ba.seminars. They can send reservations and other information
to the Chapter at acm@btr.com. No confirmation of your reservation will be sent.

Directions
>From Highway 280 take the Page Mill Road exit toward El Camino Real in Palo
Alto. Continue past Foothill Expressway; 1501 Page Mill is on the right. Drive
in through the main gate and use any parking available. At the main door you
will be directed to the exact location of the meeting.


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Newsgroups: ba.seminars
From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth)
Subject: SEF UNIX SIG Jan. 20: Groupware
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:12:51 GMT

                Software Entrepreneurs' Forum (SEF)

               UNIX SIG, January 12: UNIX Groupware

Aaron Omid, Founder and VP, Scopus Technology, will speak at the January 12
SEF Unix SIG Meeting on "Groupware for UNIX - Working with ProTeam."

Omid founded Scopus in 1990 to develop a Unix groupware product that would
allow different departments within a company to communicate with each other. 
Many companies use Scopus's ProTeam to facilitate their technical support,
customer support, and sales support departments. ProTeam uses Sybase as its
base, but runs under X-window interfaces.  Notably, Scopus is revenue producing
and has managing to become successful without VC support.  

Refreshments and Product Demos by Scopus Technology.

January UNIX SIG Meeting
=========================

Date:         Tuesday, January 12, 1993
Place:        Digital Equipment Corporation
              800 West El Camino Real, Mountain View
              (Corner of Castro and El Camino Real)
Time:         7:00 - 9:15
Cost:         Free for SEF members, $10 for non-members
Information:  Priscilla Rowe, Very Good Communications
              415/546-4950, verygood3@aol.com
SEF Info:     415/854-7219

Software Entrepreneur's Forum
=============================

SEF, started in 1983, is a leading Silicon Valley-based non-profit
organization dedicated to software entrepreneurs, with over 900
members. SEF informs and educates its members on all facets of the
software industry -- ranging from technical innovation to product
development, marketing, and sales. The group offers entrepreneurs a
sense of community and is a valuable forum for exchanging ideas.

SEF also sponsors 10 special interest groups, which meet once a
month: Unix, Business Operations, DOS, Intelligent Systems, Macintosh,
Marketing, Multimedia, Networking, Pen Software, and  Windows.
Newsgroups: ba.seminars,comp.human-factors,comp.groupware,comp.cog-eng
From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth)
Subject: Reminder: SEF UNIX Sig, Jan. 12: Groupware
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:26:40 GMT

                Software Entrepreneurs' Forum (SEF)

               UNIX SIG, January 12: UNIX Groupware

Aaron Omid, Founder and VP, Scopus Technology, will speak at the January 12
SEF Unix SIG Meeting on "Groupware for UNIX - Working with ProTeam."

Omid founded Scopus in 1990 to develop a Unix groupware product that would
allow different departments within a company to communicate with each other. 
Many companies use Scopus's ProTeam to facilitate their technical support,
customer support, and sales support departments. ProTeam uses Sybase as its
base, but runs under X-window interfaces.  Notably, Scopus is revenue producing
and has managing to become successful without VC support.  

Refreshments and Product Demos by Scopus Technology.

January UNIX SIG Meeting
=========================

Date:         Tuesday, January 12, 1993
Place:        Digital Equipment Corporation
              800 West El Camino Real, Mountain View
              (Corner of Castro and El Camino Real)
Time:         7:00 - 9:15
Cost:         Free for SEF members, $10 for non-members
Information:  Priscilla Rowe, Very Good Communications
              415/546-4950, verygood3@aol.com
SEF Info:     415/854-7219

No-Host Pre-SIG Dinner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
====================================

Join us for buy-your-own dinner before the SIG meeting:

Time:         5:30-6:45
Place:        Harry's Hofbrau
              399 West El Camino Real, MV  
              (A little south of DEC, across the street)

Find us in the "back room."  You can buy dinner for < $5.00.