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From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: New York University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:55:00 GMT

fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:

|>Despite all the inhumane things imposed upon them by invaders, the Chinese
|>and the Korean still have their cultures intact. The Tibetans are not
|>that fortunate. Their entire culture is destroyed and there is no
|>hope to gain independence soon since few care about such a 
|>(materially) deprived, unstrategically-located country like Tibet.
|>But I and other fair-minded people (and I believe some fair-minded
|>Chinese) do care.

You are brainwashed by the propaganda.  Han people (the majority) treat
them even better than they treat themseves. Xi1 Zang4 (Tibet) is part of China 
just like the New England is part of the United States. (I even think
that it's improper to say that Xi1 Zang4 is part of China just like New 
Mexico, California, or Texas is part of United States. I want to mention 
hear that American Indians owned this continent only five hundreds years ago.)

|>Before China banned foreign reporters into Tibets, I saw a TV documentary
|>portraying a line of Tibetan Buddhist monks being herded onto a truck.
|>The bystanding Chinese soldiers continually punched and kicked the monks
|>as they walked by them. Then, without any seeming provocation,
|>, one Chinese soldier approaced a monk and hit the monk's head with
|>his rifle's butt. The monk collapsed to the ground, body shaking like
|>a clubed fish, before laying still. I was shocked to see such a lively
|>(deadly) incident on the TV screen. No wonder the Chinese government
|>banned foreign reporters in Tibet.

Historically, western people did a lot of bad things there, they did a
great job in creating conflicts between different group of people (so
they can manipulate them), look at what happened to Iran and Iraq, India
and Pakistan. Nowadays, they are not strong enough to do that to China,
but they are self-centered, very prejudiced against China. That's why
we don't want them enter those sensitive region.
Also, the story you stated above is unbelievable, are you sure it
happend in China? Sounds even worse than the Los angles story. Are you
sure that person is a monk? Who knows what had that person done before
this scene. I heard of all kinds of strange story here. I really don't 
believe them.

|>I have also read in a newspaper somewhere (can't remember which one)
|>that the Chinese soldiers often forced Tibetan monks and nuns to
|>perform sexual intercourse in public in order to humiliate their
|>vows of celibacy.

This is BULLSHIT, I doubt if YOU made up this story!

|>-Tawit

Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Yes. CTV is TOOOOOOO GOOD! Re: NBC <===> China's TV
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:58:12 GMT

In article <ROTEN.92Aug10141321@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.034550.24743@ems.psu.edu> zhang@hekla.pnge.psu.edu 
>(Zhang Jie) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug8.210550.6998@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> 
>>hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao) writes:
>>>In article <yzhou.712963885@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu 
>>>(Joe Y. Zhou) writes:
>>>>Does anybody know anything about the olympic coverage in China this 
>>>>year?  Is the CTV just as bad as NBC? I called China yesterday and I 
>>>>was told that CTV is covering olympic LIVE 24 hours a day. better than 
>>>>NBC at this point, right? :-)
>>>>
>>>>Back 1988, I remember that CTV spent more time on covering foreign 
			       ^^^

Why would you guys forget so quickly that the Chinese National TV network
is called CCTV, not CTV?  CTV is a Canadian network that broadcast the
Olympics in Canada. It did much better than NBC though.

Having been absent as a viewer of CCTV for two years, I am curious about
the time of commercials during normal broadcasting. Are they becoming
as often as they are here? How about local stations? Someone please tell
me!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:21:27 GMT

In article <92Aug14.173224edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>
>1.  We still cannot prove Marco Polo really reached China.  Whatever
>    he wrote could be just some 3rd hand gossip.
>
>2.  If Marco Polo really come to China, he was a high Imperial official,
>    couldn't care less about the miserable condition of the conquered
>    people.  He just took all that treasure/salary/loot for granted.
>

People who have read Marco Polo's book will not say so. What is the point
of groundless speculation?

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:51:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.225523.13198@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.210017.16991@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>In article <199208171938.AA10725@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>>>
>>>As one surviving the famine, I feel obligated to say that was simply a lie.
>>>There was a famine from late 1959 to mid 1963. I know a village where half
>>>of the population were starved to death. However, there was no such thing
>>>as cannibalism happened in China in such period, to the best of my knowledge.
>>The fact that you survived the famine does not make you an authority on all
>>of China during that period. Therefore your assertion that the report of
>>cannabalism is "simply" a lie is unsupported.

>You Westeners have the authority to say all thing happened in China?
>The original story was claimed written by a "Chinese", was that a good
>enough evidence to say it did happen!

Yes! I am assuming that neither of the contributors was lying. It follows
then that a single instance of cannabalism constitutes proof that cannabalism
did occur. A lack of cannabalism in one small corner of the country does
not prove it did not occur.

If you reread my original posting, you will see that I was merely pointing
out a bit of faulty logic. I did not take a side in the argument.

>Why so many Westeners more eager to say it did hapened than Chinese on this
>net from the name of authors of posting?
>Before any hard evidence came up?

Why do you assume I am committed to the proposition that cannabalism *did*
occur in China? I really couldn't care less:  it seems like a perfectly
natural thing to happen during a famine *anywhere* in the world.

I'm more interested in observing how people react to the *possibility* that
cannabalism might have occured in China. (How would you categorize your 
reaction?) If I'm just an observer, they why my posting? I have a strong 
dislike for poor argumentation, be it pro-China, anti-China, or neither.
From: wan@pollux.usc.edu (Qiang Wan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Chinese fonts
Date: 12 Aug 1992 17:50:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Greetings!

I have been looking for high resolution (128x128) bitmap Chinese fonts
for a while, but haven't had much luck. Hopefully some netter could
tell me where and how I could obtain or purchase such fonts either
in the U.S. or from China or Hong Kong. I have asked several people
in Beijing who work in the computer business, the reply I got (consistently)
is that there is nowhere to obtain these fonts except by purchasing a Chinese
desktop publishing system (in which the fonts are most likely stored in a
compressed format). This sounds odd as the government seems to
have ruled that all printed styles used in computers must comply
with a national standard, yet there seems to be no way to obtain the
standarized fonts. Hope to get your help. Thanks.

Wan Qiang
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ftp ahkcus.org -- what the matter?
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:06:53 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw106


I often use anonymous ftp to get the latest issue 
of HXWZ when they did not reach me in time. I did so 
on 22 Aug, then e-mailed the method to several people 
who posted their impatience here. All of them returned 
mails and said:

   >Thanks. I've already tried but it's not there!

Q: Why I found it there but they didn't? Who knows?
   Would the editor of HXWZ put it into ftp sites first?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? Which is better for China?
    <1992Aug19.033115.19230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> 
    <Bt8LJF.MI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Aug19.171420.10187@cs.brown.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:15:10 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:

>I wish this time the democratic party can kick Bush's ass out of the White House. 
>they are having a pretty good chance this round.  

I don't think Mr President like to hear this. Mind your ass. He finished Ross
first, now he has something else to mind. Do not try to bet too early.
No matter he will get elected or not, he will have time thereafter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Subject: The Origin of Last Names
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:59:25 GMT


Does anyone here know where did the following last names origin is?

- Wu
- Chan
- Cheng
- Chen
- Rajic

-- 
No one is a failure... Keep up your dream and you will find it!
Ask always WISDOM from God!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zsun@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Zehua Sun)
Subject: Re: a (possible) light topic (chi bao le cheng de)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:26:47 GMT

In <1992Aug21.210919.25110@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug21.141707.28412@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>>>txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao) writes:
>>>>Chi1 Bao2 Le1 Cheng2 De4! (don't know)
>>>Chi1 Bao3 Le4 Cheng1 De4.(Beijing Hua4)
>>How about: Chi4 Bao2 Le Cheng4 De!
>	Tianjing Hua (my guess)

In Beijin dialect, "Le" and "De" here should be in the LIGHT tone.  It's better
to use 0 indicating the tone.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlwu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Xiao Lu Wu)
Subject: test
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:41:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Hi, everybody!!! I am a new user of rn. This message is only a test.
From: szhou@romulus.rutgers.edu (Shiyu Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:54:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug17095621@math12.bnlux1.bnl.gov> deng@bnlux1.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:

> >>>>> In article <1992Aug16.230148.7780@ms.uky.edu>
> >>>>> "Johnny" == Johnny Borders <borders@ms.uky.edu> writes:
> 
> >You simply get it wrong. It is not the goverment who askes for the Japaness
> >apology. It is us people, whose grandparents, parents, brothers and
> >sisters been slaughterd, raped, tortured by the barbarious Japaness
						~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >soldiers, who deserve an apology from the Japaness. And I believe we
   ~~~~~~~~~
> >will get it sooner or later no matter what.
> 
>   Johnny> BARBAROUS Japanese? Well now.. We get to the heart of the matter
> 
> Where has your brain been? Fresh out a microwave oven? The author clearly
> stated that barbarious Japanese soldiers, your fried brain translated that
> as BARBAROUS Japanese. 

ma2 de2 hao3!  I can't stop me to shout out.

Some silly people want to mix the concepts.  That is not the way of
discussion.  They deserve a lessen.

ming
-- 
Ming  He				cs101442@sol.yorku.ca
My account must have HIV, so this is not my account.
CLAIMER: I am from Beijing, China
From: cbas72@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao's words
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:09:01 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Aug11.142459.12889@aber.ac.uk>, nil@aber.ac.uk (Nigel Lueng) writes:
> I watched a documentary on ITV called 'China Rising' yesterday.
> The program maker alleged that in the late 70's (he was very precise 
> about the year just I don't remember) when the first Japanese Prime
> Minister visited Beijing and apologised to Mao for the war.  Mao said:
> "There is no need to apologise.  Without the war, .....(I could not hear
> clearly here).  So should I thank you?"
> 
> Can any Chinese expert out there confirm this?  And the exact words of
> Mao?
> 
> Nigel Leung
I am not an expert but my impression was: without the war, most of the Chinese
wont stand up to fight for the country.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who look down chinese most?
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:46:11 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <3181@peking.gdwb.oz.au>, mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
|> XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >=========================================================================
|> >From: tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen)
|> >Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
|> >Subject: Re: Who look down Chinese most? (Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?)
|> >Date: 12 Aug 92 18:42:42 GMT
|> 
|> >Well, in my opinion, Chinese people look down on themselves more than
|> >                     ------------------------------------------------
|> >anyone else in the world. Let us look back about 20 years ago, when PRC
|> >-------------------------
|> >      X Xu
|> 
|> I don't think you need to look back that far, and I don't think
|> you need to look at the gov't of PRC etc. Just read this
|> saying.
|> 
|> " If there are 9 Chinese and 1 Japanese in a table of 10 people,
|> all the 9 Chinese will be talking to the 1 Japanese. On the
|> other hand, if there are 9 Japanese and 1 Chinese on a table,
|> the 9 Japanese will only be talking  among themselves. "
|> 
|> Any body care to comment on the above saying which we heard
|> quite often ?

Chinese are used to be not united, even when the Japanese was occupying
the north-eastern provinces, Chinese are fighting among each others.
What is the problem of Chinese? This seems to be part of the culture.....

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xuehua@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Xuehua Lu)
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.141707.28412@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao) writes:
>
>
>>Chi1 Bao2 Le1 Cheng2 De4!
>Chi1 Bao3 Le4 Cheng1 De4.(Beijing Hua4)
>
>No flame, just can not figure out which part of the country you are from.

As a korean, I feel we should thank China for giving us independence.

-- 
xuehua@cs.colorado.edu
Lu, Joshwar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Good Faith Clause (Was Re: Protection Bill)
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:41:21 GMT

In article <14429@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>
>    The time for older netter to jump in :-).  What is the big deal with
>the 90 days?  The legal precedence.  Don't forget US is a litigious country.

	Thanks for that elegant illustration.  It makes much more sense
than the "persecution" lame.

>    No matter what is the name, the bill is an immigration legislature.  The
>Congress needs some reasoning to justify the generosity, in return you should
>show that you don't have any intention to retain/establish residence outside
>the country you want to adopt.

	The problem with this bill, as far as I am concerned, is its name.
I don't mind if we can have a real immigration legislature that makes most
of us here happy.  But the "protection" is not just a bluff.  This clause,
rather than immigration, as been repeated numerous times by some Congress
VIPs and many, many CSS "representatives".  According to our former second-
greatest leader Lin Biao, lies that were repeated thousand times became 
truth.

	This lie-turned-truth is not a trivial matter.  Behind this 
"protection" bill, there is a strong anti-China sentiment, an attempt to
make China the new "evil empire".  Progress (toward Capitalism, btw) in
today's China is being ignored and political fantastics only care to make
China their new enemy.

	One obvious trend of this is reflected in the threat to China's
MFN status.  This issue has been debated here constantly.  This year, as
most of CSS here will receive their bloodily green card (*), China may 
finally loss her MFN status.  Just a coincidence?



    Eddie

(*)  Blood is red only when there is some life with it, it turns green
after a period of time of forgotten and abuse.
From: SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Friendship Club
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:49:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92232.204927SXS30
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Aug19.153158.58261@cc.usu.edu>, slbxk@cc.usu.edu says:
>
>Dear friends,
>
>     We are all far away from home, home town, home city, home
>motherland. We each have the same dreams, dreaming about pursuing
>a higher degree in education, accomplishing a wonderful task in
>our own life, getting a satisfying job, climbing to a higher
>class in life... But we feel lonely, terribly lonely, we need
>friends, and love. Loneliness is like a killer, threatening us
>every friday evening, saturday, sunday, holidays, even in daily
>life. Why not let us gather together to get rid of loneliness, to
>find ourselves companionship, to enjoy love or friendship! Let's
>provide ourselves to the society and meet many people and choose
>the one we want to be with, the one we love, but we have not met
>yet.
>
>     Good luck to all of you, dear friends!
>
>
>
>                                       Editor
>
>
>     P.S.
>
>     For application form please send inquiring by E-mail.
>

 You forget to write down how much is mambership this time.  -)
From: llee@rcsuna.gmr.com (Lu Lee )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: first test
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:20:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu 
Subject: Re: Are Chinese women more attractive than the
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:31:00 GMT

In article 18973@news.acns.nwu.edu, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> Here is a piece of news from CND:
> 
> [Reuters 8/16/92] SHANGHAI -- A 24-year-old bus passenger, Dong Huibo, died
> in the street, after tangling with one of the city's dreaded woman bus
> conductors.   His nightmare began inside the bus when the ticketpuncher
> snarled an insult about the shape of his backside.   She swore at him,
> slapped his face and broke his glasses, made a grab for his testicles, then
> stood back and aimed a vicious kick at his private parts.  As he scrambled
> out of a window, the driver -also a woman- slammed her foot on the
> accelerator pedal and sent him flying. (From: Di Bi Cao)
> 
> 
> What do you folks think? Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40  
> years ago? 
> 
> Carl


Yes. Why, don't you?
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 21:39:26 EDT
From: <CHENJC@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China

In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU
(Your Father) says:
>
>What an argument!  Do you know everything happened in China?  May be you
>should give people more information how you survived? Where did you live and
>what do you eat during the famine? That might provide more insight on which
>your arguments are based on?
>
>L Ho
Try to be nice/polite, and use your true electronic-ID before you are going to
start arguing/discussing.  The way you raised such junk questions to lix just
made me sick :-(
BTW, do you know that sending faked email around is prohibited in USENET,
though it is not the first time you forged your garbage in this already not
very clean news group.

JC
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese women today
Date: 21 Aug 1992 11:00:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug21.023219.10811@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>> In article 18973@news.acns.nwu.edu, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>> > Here is a piece of news from CND:
>> > 
>> > [Reuters 8/16/92] SHANGHAI -- A 24-year-old bus passenger, Dong Huibo, died

>First let me say that I honestly doubt this story. It sounds way too 
>apocryphal to me. The passenger is named but neither woman is. If
>the circumstances were as written, the driver would be charged
>with negligent homicide at least.
>
>No, I assume this is one of those urban myths, meant to scare people about how
>the terrible world has changed so. This particular is to scare them about 
>how woman out in the world have gone mad with masculinity, lust and 
>vulgarity. To get them wishing for the good old days when women were
>meek, servile, passive.
>

  What make you assume this is a myths. Are you suggesting that the poster
was lying. 
  If I were you, I would ask more background story about the incident.
The story is really weird. People could not be that brutal, unless something
really bad happended. What did the man do to the woman? Did the man try to
sexually harass the woman ?   The story did provide a clue. Look at the
body part the woman attacked.  There might be strong evidence that the 
woman's attack is justified, at least in part. So, the story might NOT be an
evidence that 'woman have gone mad with masculinity...'


Z. You
From: ircgroup@cs.olemiss.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Apology from Japan? Never!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:00:14 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi

One apologise only if he acknoledge he's done something wrong.  Japanese
people just don't think it is wrong to invade, to rape other people.
THAT is why they won't apologise, and it is MEANINGLESS to demand an apology
from them, because they always believe the strong have a god-given right to
invade, rape the weak ecomically, culturally, or militarily.  What we all can
do is keep a close eye on Japan, and become stronger than Japan.
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