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From: Paco Ojeda <ffoogg@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: REQUEST Good sources of bulk cassettes
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:56:27 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
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Greetings. I have had moderate success in finding good local sources of
bulk cassettes. I'm interested in good quality chrome C10's and C20's for
demo work. TDK now sells a "Master Series" cassette that I've had
excellent results with. It comes in C10, 15, and 20 configurations. The
problem is that I can only find it at local record stores, sold
individually, at prices that I'm sure can be beat.

So my request is:

1. For a good priced source of brand-name cassettes (mail order?)

2. For a good priced source of bulk cassettes.

Any information would be appreciated.

Paco

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From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle Piano Teacher System
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:34:52 GMT
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu

In article <1993Jan4.172257.12588@nynexst.com> rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers) writes:
>	I just got a Miracle for the Mac and recommend it.  I have never
>played or read music before but it had me playing and reading music very
>quickly.  Unlike a piano teacher, it is there all the time -- I can practice
>whenever I want.  It seems like a good thing to use before getting a real
>teacher, just to get up to speed.  I needed a keyboard to practice with
>anyways and couldn't find one for much less.

I don't understand.  I have been taking lessons for two years, but I
can practice whenever I want. (If it's late at night, I just use
headphones.)  I think that piano instruction is good for correcting
mistakes in technique but not correcting mistakes in playing; I don't
see how the Miracle system gives you any more than a piano teacher and
personal practice time in that respect.

Also, I have seen (new) keyboards advertised for as low as $100.  That
plus a workbook (about $15 from any sheet music store) and a weekly
lesson should get one as far as the Miracle system gets them.

I've noticed that several people who use the Miracle system seem to
think they need to learn from it before they go to a teacher.  Maybe
these people have had bad experiences with piano teachers in the past,
but I've always found the teachers I've had to be very patient
(provided I actually tried to learn the pieces) and reasonable.

--gregbo
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From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (electronically induced relaxation via sound [Todd Sines])
Subject: Re: In defense of the FZ-1, and FZ-1 owner search!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:58:12 GMT

Bouncer said:

>>>
Does anyone know what the "realistic" going price of the rackmount FZ10.
BTW, the FZ10 has 2 MEG of RAM, twice that of an unexpanded FZ1 keyboard.

> I would like to get in contact with ANY current FZ-1 owners to
> discuss software/sample availability (ESPECIALLY), troubles, support, etc.,
> and for future discussions;
Count me in.  Lets talk some time.

-- A happy sampler camper, Billyb

all of this talk is making me want an FZ.1 like a wet fish (ie really bad) and 
i wish that i could join in on the fun.

i would like to purchase either an FZ.1 or PREFERABLY an FZ.10 (because i 
already have a bunch of little synths and i am running out of room.

if ANYBODY has any clues as to where they have seen either machine last, please
fill me in on phone numbers or e-mail addresses.

to repost my previous question:

does the FZ.1 have anything like a Time Varient Filter or any Resonance 
controls what-so-ever? i am looking to be able to use the data entry slider to 
add resonance to sample while they are being played. this would be similar to 
the dial on a analog synth, like the sh.101 or something of the sort.

thanks!


sines
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and MIDI -- is anyone doing it?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 19:14:06 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:

> 
> I've asked this question on comp.music and comp.os.os2.apps, with
> nary a response.  So, before I delete OS/2 from my system, I would 
> like to know if anyone is successfully using OS/2 for *serious* MIDI 
> applications.  OS/2 claims to support Windows 3.0 software, and so 
> there should be lots of Window's MIDI sequencers and librarians runnable 
> on it.  However, my experience so far with OS/2 is that MIDI will 
> likely be a pain in the lower back to do, given that it is difficult 
> enough to get proper video and printer drivers to work on it. I can't 
> see how MIDI and other multimedia will be easy.
> 
> If anyone out there is using OS/2 as a platform for MIDI programming,
> I'd appreciate hearing your experiences and opinions.
> 
> Brian.
> 
> -- 
> Brian Ross                          
> bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            


	At this moment I'm loading OS/2 onto my system. The
reason is that Windows was a joke as far as reliability was
concerned, and I needed to run Sample Vision and Cakewalk
simultaneously. Windows couldn't use the MIDI controller with
both programs - it was either one or the other. Desqview was
more successful but still wasn't reliable enough. From what I
hear from others, OS/2 should meet my needs. I'll give a full
report after I can test everything, if anyone is interested.



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From: kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Kuusama Juha,,,,)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: About reading music (was: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle...)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:52:17 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Tampere, Dep. of Computer Science ,Finland 
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From article <C0FsKo.9uM@boi.hp.com>, by rdm@boi.hp.com ():
...

> When I told the salesman my predicament he replied "do you want to learn
> to read music or to play the piano?"  I was puzzled....  I still am....

Yes, I think these are distinct abilities. Think about the extremes: My
wive can read a note sheet sufficiently well to make an opinion about it.
(Like: "This is a good song" or "Somewhat dull melody but interesting
chording".) One of my friends can spot an out-of-tune note from a partiture.
Both of these people can play, but it might be possible that they couldn't
and still have this ability.

The other extreme is of course the play-by-ear musicians who could teach
you how to play, but not how to read.


> : How *do* good (musically proficient) readers operate: dots->fingers directly, 
> : or dots->some_internalised_musical_understanding->fingers?
> : 
> As above, I will never claim to be proficient.  I'll try an answer anyway--
> two things happen:  the first is that you don't look at "dots" (I assume you
> mean printed notes, etc).  You get to a point where you see an entire half
> measure or so as a unique pattern, and play it.  The second thing that happens
> is sort of a FIFO (First In, First Out--or in my case, First In, Garbage Out:-)
> you look ahead about a measure or so from what you are playing.
> 

I would say it is definitely "dots->understanding->fingers". I used to be
able to play "prima vista" (here is the sheet, one-two-three-record...),
so I still remember how I did it. (A few years at the computer is bad
for your playing but good to your economy...) I played bass and my FIFO
was at least two measures. Definitely not dots-fingers directly because
that way I could not plan my fingering ahead. For example, some pieces
written for piano have low D's and low C's in the bass parts, which a
normal bass cannot reach. If I was requested to play these (I didn't had 
a 5-string at those times) the solution is to step an octave up in a suitable
place between phrases, otherwise I would have run out of notes in a
middle of a phrase.

Another though to confirm this: many keyboard players can do dots->
undestanding->transpose->fingers in real time.
--
Juha
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: seungwoo@exa.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim)
Subject: Help: running midi programs on SoftPC
Keywords: NeXT SoftPC Band-in-a-box midi
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:01:52 GMT

Well,since nobody around here seems to know about midi interfce for
the SoftPC running on the NeXTstation, I decided to ask this to the
net people. I have a NeXTstation, which I am very satisfied with, 
except that many commercially available midi softwares don't run
on it. So I decided to go to the SoftPC so that I can use the IBM
softwares, such as band-in-a-box. Unfortunately, nobody knows which
midi interface will work. The way it should work is to generate the
standard *.MID files from band-in-a-box and read it from my sequencer
on the NeXTstation, but that's too troublesome. I would like to use
the communication port directly to my sound module from SoftPC. I
wonder if anybody got it worked. I'd greatly appreciate your info.
Thanks in advance. 

Seung-Woo Kim
From: rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle Piano Teacher System
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:26:53 GMT
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <1993Jan4.203452.8850@cs.ucla.edu> gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.172257.12588@nynexst.com> rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers) writes:
>>	I just got a Miracle for the Mac and recommend it.  I have never
>>played or read music before but it had me playing and reading music very
>>quickly.  Unlike a piano teacher, it is there all the time -- I can practice
>>whenever I want.  It seems like a good thing to use before getting a real
>>teacher, just to get up to speed.  I needed a keyboard to practice with
>>anyways and couldn't find one for much less.
>
>I don't understand.  I have been taking lessons for two years, but I
>can practice whenever I want. (If it's late at night, I just use
>headphones.)  I think that piano instruction is good for correcting

You can practice, but there is no one there to correct your mistakes.  A
Miracle or an instructor can do that.  The Miracle is like a live-in
instructor.

>Also, I have seen (new) keyboards advertised for as low as $100.  That
>plus a workbook (about $15 from any sheet music store) and a weekly
>lesson should get one as far as the Miracle system gets them.

	Maybe you can get keyboards for $100 (are they velocity sensitive,
have MIDI, and 16 note polyphony?)  That and a workbook would NEVER, NEVER,
NEVER, get you anywhere near as far as the Miracle.  I mean the Miracle will
demo the song for you, then you play it and it tells you what you did wrong.
Workbooks don't know if you hit the wrong key, or with bad timing.  Have you
really used this system?  I mean for a few hours anyways?  I can't imagine a
real instructor being as effective, let alone a workbook.

						--Rob.
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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Recommend Music Workstation ~$2000?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:17:19 GMT

Hi, I have about $2000-$3000 AU to spend (hopefully!)
on synth equipment...

I have a drum machine I'm happy with, and I'll be looking at
2nd hand synths as well as new ones. I should be able to
get reasonable deals thru people working in shops so...

Would you be able to recommend a workstation or combination of
synths which you use? Please list prices of the individual
pieces...

I would like: decent quality sampling, preferably compatible with Akai S1100,
(but not essential), minimum 8 multitimbral in Total (over all pieces),
sequencing, synthesis, and built-in or external FX...

Thanks heaps!

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From: cs89bsm@brunel.ac.uk (Brendan S McEnroe)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Sound on Sound Dream Studio (win worth 10,000 pounds)
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:13:00 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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Some of you may read 'Sound on Sound' and over the last three months they have being running a
competition to win a dream studio worth 10,000 pounds.

All you have to do is collect the three editions and answer the following questions.

I thought i would post this to see if I could get and help with the questions.

The questions are ...

Part 1

What was Roland's first MIDI equipped synt called?
     
     (a) Juno 106
     (b) JX3P
     (c) Jupitor 6

What does DDA stand for ?

     (a) Doff Davies Association
     (b) Dearden Davies Associates
     (c) Deeply Dippy Amalgamtes

What is the decimal number equivalent of MCMXCIX?

     (a) 1949
     (b) 1499
     (c) 1999

What is Akai's new sub 700 pound 16-bit sampler called?

     (a) S100
     (b) s01
     (c) S001

What was Yamaha's first MIDI synth?

     (a) DX1
     (b) DX5
     (c) DX7
     (d) DX9
     (e) DX11
     (f) DX21


Part 2

What does 'Zimmer' mean in English ?

    (a) Always
    (b) Robust
    (c) Room


Which of these are NOT Yamaha Products ?

    (a) R1000
    (b) QX44
    (c) QX5
    (d) QX42

Which of these are NOT akai samplers ?

    (a) S01
    (b) S900
    (c) S612
    (d) S1100EX
    (e) S330

Which of the following are NOT Opcode products?

    (a) Galaxy Plus
    (b) Studio Vision
    (c) Omega
    (d) Avalon

Part 3

Roland is the hero of which famous opera?

   (a) Wagner's Ring cycle
   (b) Tolkien's Ring mains
   (c) Verdi`s Ring network

Which of these are NOT Korg products?

   (a) M1
   (b) M3R
   (c) M25
   (d) M62

Which of these are NOT Peavey products?

   (a) AEQ-2800
   (b) SDR20/20
   (c) DPM3
   (d) DEQ7
   (e) DMP7

Which of the following mixers are NOT built by DDA?

   (a) Profile
   (b) SL8000
   (c) QMR

    
Any answers can be posted here or E-mailed back to me at cs89bsm@brunel.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: sherman@ecadsr.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Casey Kasem wrote and boy is he pissed...
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:00:11 GMT


In article <1993Jan12.141208.6940@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes...
> 
>Re: the letter from Casey Kasem
> 

Well, from what I've read here it appears to me that there is conflict
involving freedom of speech from two angles.  CK has freedom of speech
and N has freedom of speech.  But, situations can arise, as they often
do, where freedoms collide.  I can say what I want.  But, is it fair for
someone to quote me as saying something else?  No.  Is it fair for
for someone to take what I said and use it to make money?  Depends.
Depends mainly on how my freedoms are enforced, especially if my speech
is a marketable product, as is the case with CK.  Sounds to me like CK
is in the right.  And, the message to folks using samples is that you'd
better make sure that it is either okay to copy the sample or that you
use enough "distancing" to justify an argument that it is a new sound.
That probably means hacking it up so much that it would be very difficult
for the casual observer to match it with the original sound.  At least,
that's how I approach the issue.

Steve  
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From: billy@irvine.com ( Bouncer **)
Subject: Re: In defense of the FZ-1, and FZ-1 owner search!
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:52:28 GMT

> From the March 1989 Keyboard sampler technical tests:
> 1) Envelopes: 2 per voice. 8-segment for cutoff & amplitude.  +/- V control.
>      Programmable amplitude & filter levels & rates, & filter cutoff
>      frequency.  Kbd tracking of levels & rates for both envs.
> 2) Looping: sustain, release, temporary (time).  A friend and I set up
>      a loop on a vocal segment in a matter of minutes, aided by the
>      graphical display of the waveform on the synth panel, a feature
>      that few other samplers of this price range had/ve.
> 3) Overall sound: beat the EPS in overall, processed, clean, and un-
>      processed sounds.  Beat all others, including the Akai S1000
>      in unprocessed/original pitch.  Had  1/10 the  pitch shift
>      distortion (weighted) than EPS.  True the EPS was one of the
>      originals, and there are many better.  But not near $600.
> 4) Sampling rate: up to 36kHz.

Thanks for speaking up for the merits of the FZ-1.  I had one over a
year ago, sold it, and now have the rack FZ10 and really like it.  To
me, the only short comings are its 8 individual outputs are not polyphonic,
its sampling rate doesnt extend to 48K (but hey this is 1993, what can
we expect from a unit made back near '89 -- it was the best ESPECIALLY
at the time), and its lack of supporting a hard drive.

   For me, the graphic window is a tremendous advantage.  I'm constantly using
it by watching for amplitude clipping while sampling, and even for creating
sustain loops by flipping between the loop-start point and the loop-end point,
and watching for the shape/slope of the waveform for consistency.  I also like
its independent envolopes for both the amplitude and the filter.  Also, nobody
has yet mentioned that the unit is 16 channel multi-timbral (assuming you do a
little programming, assigning each "split-point" its own midi channel).

   You can also simulate stereo sampling by recording the left & right sides
independently (I realize that this has the potential to introduce phase
alignment problems), and then map the two samples to the same keyboard range,
assigning each to a different output, and then panning these outputs hard
left/right.  I've done this for ambient nature and "crowd" sounds and it's
been very effective.

Does anyone know what the "realistic" going price of the rackmount FZ10.
BTW, the FZ10 has 2 MEG of RAM, twice that of an unexpanded FZ1 keyboard.

> I would like to get in contact with ANY current FZ-1 owners to
> discuss software/sample availability (ESPECIALLY), troubles, support, etc.,
> and for future discussions;
Count me in.  Lets talk some time.

-- A happy sampler camper, Billyb
From: grahame@skyfox
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FOR SALE: Synths and sequencers
Date: 11 JAN 93 21:53:12 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca


I still have the following musical goodies for sale (All items are in
100% working condition):

JUNO 106 ANALOG SYNTHESIZER
        Full MIDI, DCO/VCF, Filter resonance, 5 octave keyboard, Lots of
        sliders, buttons, and knobs, etc.

        Asking $325 OBO


KAWAI K4R SYNTHESIZER MODULE
        16-bit, 16 voice, multitimbral wavetable synth module, multiple
        outputs, 256 waveforms, original box & manuals

        Asking $325 OBO

ALESIS MMT-8 8 TRACK MIDI SEQUENCER
        Totally cool multi-track sequencer with lotsa buttons, quantizing,
        looping, step editing, transposing, merging, unmerging, slicing,
        dicing & beverage preparation. Beautiful gray case.

        Asking $125 OBO

PASSPORT MASTER TRACKS PRO 4 FOR THE PC
        The king of windows sequencers. Functions galore, works like the
        Mac & Atari versions, SysEx librarian, etc. With original box,
        and manual.

        Asking $225 OBO


Whew. That's it except for the Ginsu knife set and the [Operator interrupt:
Alright. Shuddup already!]


James Grahame

GRAHAME@Sask.Usask.CA    (Ice cube capital of the continent)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gds@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle Piano Teacher System
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: jrossi@eagle.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:44:20 GMT

I'm forwarding this article which was mailed to me.

Message-Id: <9301052203.AA01390@lanai.cs.ucla.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:00 EDT
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
To: gds@CS.UCLA.EDU
X-Vms-To: IN%"gds@cs.ucla.EDU"
Subject: Re: Seeking Opinions on Miracle Piano Teacher System

I'd send this directly to the net if I could find a gateway but you are not
correct about how a Miracle piano system works.  No music instructor can
come close to acheiving what a Miracle system does in the time that the
Miracle does it because no instructor is around every time you practice.  Even
though most keyboardists don't like to admit it, what is classically refered
to as 'good keyboard playing' is about 98% technical proficency.  When you
are talking about sight reading music, the factor is closer to 100%.  It is
clear that what the Miracle teaches is technical proficency, it is up to
the proficient keyboardist to supply the remaing 2% which makes up 'talent'.
Since the Miracle uses standard operant teaching techniques, it can not help
but be better than a human teacher.  It doesn't make mistakes or change its
reinforcement strategies in the middfle of a learning session.  I have talked
to some people about adding additional modules to the Miracle system which
provide for backward chaining (if you have some kind of news archive access,
I wrote about 5 posts to r.m.s. on this subject about 2 years ago right
after the Miracle was demonstrated on Arsenio.  Anyway, the utility of human
musical instrument instructors is grossly overrated.  When there were no
teaching machines available, they were the only 'real' game in town.  However,
with the event of structured teaching machines like the Miracle, human
instructors (except for models, and for specific learning tasks [e.g., 'Mr
Franks, please show me how to play the prelude to Stairway to Heaven...']),
are a distant second in the means of producing reasonable high 
proficency/time-spent ratios.

John

P.S.  I kinda like this reply, I'd appreciate it if you could forward it for
me to R.M.S.  As a psychologist with a lot of interest in this area, I
like the responses I get form this kind of post.  
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