HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kcb@post.its.mcw.edu (Kent C. Brodie)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: TIN indexing question.  I'm CONFUSED.
Date: 4 Jan 1993 10:01:02 -0600
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin  (Milwaukee, WI)
NNTP-Posting-Host: post.its.mcw.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


OK, here's the scoop.

We are using tin (great stuff!), but I have some problems.

I decided to use the central tind indexing daemon.  It appears
to be working, except for the following:

1) If I set up tin with rwxr-x-r-x permissions, then I get
   permission errors.
   "write permission denied on  /usr1/spool/news/.index/nnnn-.yyyy"
   (i.e., one of the many many index files)

2) If, instead, i *change* the permissions to

   rwsr-x-r-x   (setuid), then the permission errors go away,
   but then users end up with every posting (going into an editor
   like vi or emacs) , and ".article" ends up coming up in [Read Only]
   mode! 

   SOMETHING is not right, here.

The central ".index"directory is owned by "news".

Am I missing something?     Can SOMEONE explain the PROPER way
to set up tin, and tind permissions so this all WORKS?


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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: Help! - Locating dead.* files in rn
Organization: ASU, Valley of the Sun(s), AZ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:14:32 GMT

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

)I'm trying to find out how I can force rn to store the dead.letter or
)dead.article files (formed when you abort a response letter or post) in a
)directory of my choice.  
...
)I could probably redesignate the home directory itself, but I really don't
)want to do that, as it will screw up my directory paths when I know where I
)want to save a file.

[t]rn uses Pnews and Rnmail to followup/post and reply/mail
respectively. They are shell scripts and should be customizable in
this case. There is not much you can do using env vars in this case
since HOME takes precedence over LOGDIR. I personally think that
LOGDIR should take precedence over HOME in which case a simple env
setting of LOGDIR would suffice. 

Sridhar.
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva)
Subject: Pico and Tin
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:44:33 GMT


I recall someone having the solution for this the past few weeks, but it
has scrolled off locally. I have defined VISUAL to be pico ( v 1.7 ),
however pico -t is not accepted. I have tried aliasing pico to pico -t,
but this does not get used by Tin. How do I get Tin to use "pico -t" as
the editor command? Thanx - David
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: davison@borland.com (Wayne Davison)
Subject: Re: premature truncation of authors' names on wide screens in trn-2.3
Organization: Borland International
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:06:58 GMT

lilb@sony.compuserve.com (Bruce Lilly) wrote:
> Some time ago I posted patches to trn 2.2 to provide non-truncated display
> of authors' names and subject fields for people who use wider than
> 80-character displays.

This change increases the size of various fields in the thread file, which
means that you have to rebuild your thread database.  Not a big problem,
but I've been reluctant to introduce another (slightly) incompatible database
format.  A future mthreads may provide optional support for increasing the
field sizes, but there has to be some way added to the db.init file to
communicate these parameters to people attempting to read your database.

FYI -- general support for larger screens is already in Trn 3.0 (in early
development).  It is no longer tied to mthreads (which has become a
separate package) because it supports more than one database format.  I'm
also trying out a heuristic that will "freshen" the trunctated data
aquired from mthreads in the background.  It seems to work nicely so far.

..wayne..
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
From: Iain.Lea@anl433.uucp
Subject: Re: tin flame
Organization: TIN Support
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 BETA PL0]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:44:57 GMT

Sergio L Aponte (sergio@Ingres.COM) wrote:
:
: I did notice that he was changing "t" and "T". What is a little
: disturbing is that this has been changed at the thread level
: only.

Thank you for pointing out an oversight on my part.

This will be fixed in the next version.

Iain

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From: an4629@anon.penet.fi (ziegler)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: reading censored newsgroups
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:02:01 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: news.software.readers

X-Anon-To: news.software.readers

Does anyone know how to read newsgroups censored by ones sys admin?
l am reading news on a VAX/VMS.

thanx in advance 

cheers

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From: caadams@polaris.unm.edu (Clifford A Adams)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: What does trn use the 0 article for?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:07:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico
NNTP-Posting-Host: polaris.unm.edu
Summary: Article 0 used for always-thread flag, other .newsrc features
Keywords: readers, trn, .newsrc

aul@eunet.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>I understand that trn uses article 0 as a special case in the .newsrc.
>What is this used for, and are there any other special encodings besides
>: and !\?

	Trn uses article 0 to indicate that the group should always be
threaded, even if there is no thread data file for it.  This behavior
is toggled by the 't' key at the newsgroup selection level.  Since
there can never be a valid article #0, this modification should be
invisible to most newsreaders.

	Trn will also recognize and ignore lines which begin with a
space, a tab character, or the string "options".  (None of these are
used by trn.)

				--Cliff
Xref: sparky news.software.readers:2704 comp.sys.sun.admin:10057
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Survey of News Readers
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:01:28 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu

In article <1993Jan6.193423.6854@lth.se> bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.195343.12158@osf.org> rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz) writes:
>>In <1993Jan1.053430.19760@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>>I suggest that you only use NNTP for posting.  Reading articles over NFS is
>>>*much* faster.
>>Nobody really knows whether or not this is true.
>>	/r$
>
>For rn/trn it is, since the message/thread file is first copied to a file
>in /tmp. Especially noticable on diskless workstations with /tmp on NFS.

This is true... and especially silly if your News server and NFS server are
the same machine (hee, hee).  But then there is little excuse for a "diskless"
workstation... either get yourself some small disks for /tmp & swap, or get
a whole lot of memory and make /tmp a RAM-disk.

-- 
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Northampton, MA, USA
From: scheide@noc.usfca.edu (Eric Scheide)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: TIN interface suggestion.
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:39:13 GMT
Organization: University of San Francisco
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

David Sanner (sanner@track.physics.usfca.edu) wrote:

: I think it would be nice if the left and right arrow keys were
: used for something unique.  (Not the same as up and down arrow keys)

: Suggestion 1:

: Use the arrow keys to move between different levels similar to gopher.
: (i.e. Left arrow selects current group at group selection level and 
:  right arrow move back to group selection level from article selection)

I think suggestion ONE is the best + use the up and down arrow keys to
scroll line by line when reading an article.

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From: Iain.Lea%anl433.uucp@Germany.EU.net (Iain Lea)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: tin,gnus - sort "auto select" to top
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:43:42 GMT
Organization: TIN Support
NNTP-Posting-Host: anl433.isdn.germany.eu.net
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 BETA PL0]

Edward Vielmetti (emv@msen.com) wrote:
:
: I read a bunch of groups where only 10% of the traffic is worth watching.
:
: For those really *big* groups, tho, those 10% might be scattered on six
: pages worth of headlines.

: I would be interested to see a 'sort selected articles to top' option, which
: would present those highly rated articles first & then put the rest behind
: them.  

Try the 'X' command to reduce the group to only the auto-selected articles.

Iain

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Newsgroups: news.software.notes
From: kamel@umiacs.umd.edu (Ibrahim M. Kamel)
Newsgroups: news.software.notes
Subject: Software for beauty salon : WANTED
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:06:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

I'm trying to find a software for beauty salon, to help the customer
to select the appropriate makeup color.  I don't have exact
specification, but the whole system should do something like this:
useing a vedio camera, the picture of the customer is displayed on the
screen. The customer select a product (e.g. lip stick,...), 
from a menu on the screen the effect appear on his picture on the screen.

If you have any information that might help me, please send
me a mail at (kamel@cs.umd.edu).
(please, don't post on the news since I don't check it frequently)

kamel@cs.umd.edu

Newsgroups: news.software.notes
From: an4629@anon.penet.fi (ziegler)
Subject: adding censored newsgroups
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: news.software.notes
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:41:02 GMT

X-Anon-To: news.software.notes

does anyone have a way of reading newsgroups censored by the news admin,
l am reading news on a VAX under VMS.

thanx in advance

cheers
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From: ddw2@sunbim.be (Dominique de Waleffe)
Subject: Re: Notes.
In-reply-to: Scott Weikart's message of 06 Jan 93 15:21 PST
Organization: BIM sa/nv, Everberg, Belgium
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 4.2.5, GNUS 3.14.1, NNTP 3.10
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:23:04 GMT


:So, how many out there are afflicted with Notes?

Where I used to work we had notes and it was working quite well
despite some fairly rare lockup problems.

Here, I recently introduced it and a few people are picking up.
What's seems to be annoying for many people is the interface (no
mouse, no menu, beeerk :-)

An emacs or X interface to the system would be nice to have. Does
such a thing exist?

Dominique
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From: Scott Weikart <scott@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: news.software.notes
Date: 06 Jan 93 15:21 PST
Subject: Re: Notes.
Nf-ID: #R:1993Jan5.222941.4286@news.eng.co:56202541:cdp:1431800001:000:723
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!scott    Jan  6 15:21:00 1993


:So, how many out there are afflicted with Notes?

We're definitely infected.  We picked it up in 1986 to provide conferencing
for PeaceNet and later EcoNet (online services for peace and environmental
groups).  I'd used notesfile on Plato, and knew it was much better for focused
discussion than the news readers that existed at the time.  We did so much
hacking to make notes "user friendly", less modey, secure, usable over slow
modems/X.25, multilingual, etc, etc, that now it's hard to junk (also, a
worldwide user base of 10K people makes it hard to replace).

Scott Weikart			Community Data Processing (CdP): 415-322-9069
Internet: scott@igc.apc.org	Bitnet: scott%igc.apc.org@stanford
UUCP Mail Net: uunet!cdp!scott

Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: C-News to nntpxmit upload
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:24:53 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <7245@grus.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>... listed in $site/togo with their sizes. I think that's what I
>want. Eventually, nntpxmit will transmit the articles to the upstream site.
>But where do the togo files get converted--if in fact they do--to some list
>that nntpxmit works from?

Actually you don't want the sizes and you probably do want the message IDs.
Nntpxmit works direct from those lists, usually as run by nntpsend.

>I think it has something to do with sendbatches and
>the batchparms config file...

Nope, the batching subsystem is not used with NNTP.
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From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solution?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:53:16 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca
Summary: inews refuses short replies- Solution Please.
Keywords: inews, short, nntp

Our installation of nntp and inews has inews acting as a fascist
dictator who hates short replies. every time I forward a response to the
group, it bounces the forward if the number of new lines is less than
the number of included lines. This is totally stupid behaviour. Is it
becasue of somneting in the way our people have set up inews or is it
inherent in the programs. If the latter ( or the former) why, and more
importantly, how can this annoying behaviour be fixed. 
Please email me as I do not follow this newsgroup often.
Bill Unruh
unruh@physics.ubc.ca


Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: ben@rex.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen)
Subject: When nntpd runs newsrun, the tcp connection dies
Organization: Health Sciences Center, University of Oklahoma
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:43:53 GMT

      I am setting up a news system on a DGUX 5220 AViiON running 4.31
(5.42 on the way...).  It works OK except for one thing -- whenever
nntpd1.5.11 starts up a real newsrun (vs one that detects that
one is already running and then quits), it drops the tcp connection.
So, if I get say 400 articles, it will spawn a newsrun process after
say 300, and then complain that it didn't get an ending period (because
the connection stops).  I could just have nntpd not run newsrun or
do something similar, but now I am annoyed (besides, when I get
multiple incoming connections, I might have too many duplicates....).

      Does anybody have any ideas why this would happen?  I have
tried defining a number of various models (BSD tty's, wait flavor, etc).
I compiled with gcc 1.37 (a little old, huh) and I don't think
I got any warnings.  Is there some difference between System V and BSD
that I don't know about (like are the exec's different?)

Thanks
P.S.What do other people get in terms of speed --
I am receiving about .9 articles per second from a machine 20 ms away
by ping (though I used to remember it being 3 or 4)...I can process
about 3 to 6 articles per second.
-- 
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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solutio
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:23:31 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In article <1itcv7INNcn8@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes:
>c) It is rude. It  attempts to enforce etiquette by force. Etiquette
>should be taught not enforced with extreme rudeness,

This etiquette is NOT being taught by extreme rudeness.  It is taught
very gently by the many, many FAQ postings that explain why this is
important.  It is taught in all the "intro guides" that are available
on the network and in most "how to use our network" manuals that
Universities provide for their students.

Enforcement has to be left up to the software.

If you think this is a rude way to enforce a policy, you should read
some books by Emily Post.

Tom
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From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solutio
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:48:34 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1itcv7INNcn8@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> William Unruh writes:

-->  I do not. Why? a) it is easily subverted - ...

  Often, I find that people at my site don't know how to edit their articles
down and that is the leading cause of them posting huge, unnecessary quotes.
Being able to edit the article implies that someone has turned their brain
on, something I see far too little of in USENET.  (:

-->  b) It does not stop the problem it was supposed to cure- namely long
-->  includes with short additions, at least I see them all the time.

  Not enough people enforce it.  A suprising amount (100% in small samples
so far) of people "inconvenienced" by the quoted/original ratio were quite
happy that someone was doing _something_ to cut down on the amount of garbage
they saw in their favorite groups.  They seemed more than willing to pick up
a few editing hints so that they were not contributing to it themselves.

-->  c) It is rude. It  attempts to enforce etiquette by force. Etiquette
-->  should be taught not enforced with extreme rudeness, ...

  Sometimes people just need to have a reality check.  Suggestions don't do
it, general info won't do it.  I often wonder why so many people can spend
so much time using USENET and not actually _read_ anything.

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Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Stephen Hebditch)
Subject: Re: Slurp, a new passive NNTP client
Organization: TQM Communications, London, UK
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:56:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.000558.9569@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>How does slurping handle failure?  If a connection shuts down partway
>through a transfer does it keep the old message-ids around?

No. Currently it would restart with a NEWNEWS again at the old date,
and hope that any articles that had been retrieved have been processed
by the news system in the meantime so they won't be requested again.
I'm considering changing it so message ids of unretrieved articles are
written to a file and requested next time.

>Might it be better (and less concerned about time errors) to keep a
>.newsrc on your client system that keeps track of article numbers on
>the server system?  This does make it difficult to change servers, of
>course, but in that case you can switch temporarily to time.

I've got an experimental version that does work with a .newsrc. In
early tests, however, I was able to get better article transfer speeds
using the NEWNEWS method so I got this version out first. Probably less
important if you have a full-time IP link.

>By using a .newsrc file, you can also use an arbitron type method to
>only grab the groups people are currently reading.

This is definitely an interesting idea which will almost certainly be
incorporated in the .newsrc version.

-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Need nntpd for VAX
From: cctr127@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:15:29 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Mark Lau (laum@csri.toronto.edu) wrote:
> Hello all,

> I am wondering if there is a public domain nntpd for VAX.  Our current news
> machine is a VAX running VMS and apparently lacks a decent news reader.  I
> am therefore considering running nntpd on the VAX and let the users access
> news from their own UNIX workstations thru NNTP.  Sounds feasible?

There is only one client/server News package for VMS - and that's ANU-NEWS
by Geoff Huston (use "archie -s news_v6" to find the closest one to you).
The latest "official" release is news_v60-3, although the latest beta is
now 6.1b5. This is a NEWS client as well as server (the nntpd bit).

There are more nntp-clients about for VMS too (VNEWS and NEWSRDR for
example) - they will connect over tcp/ip (and some over DECnet!) to a nntp
server (this all assumes you have a well-known TCP/IP package like
MultiNet installed on your VAX :-)


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Cheers

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phone: +64-3-3642 2336    fax: +64-3-364 2332
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solutio
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:27:17 GMT

unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh) writes:

>b) It does not stop the problem it was supposed to cure- namely long
>includes with short additions, at least I see them all the time.

That's because not enough sites implement it (and it's too easily
gotten around, as you point out).  You'd see fewer of the '>'-type
includes if more sites would just do that.

>c) It is rude. It  attempts to enforce etiquette by force. Etiquette
>should be taught not enforced with extreme rudeness,
>as inews does by throwing away the message.

Yeah, we ought to rely on rude responses from people on the net.  :-)

Steve
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