From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:47:51 GMT

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>In article <XcL9TB2w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:
>>marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
>>
>>Piracy _is not_ theft.  I will concede that piracy may be morally and 
>>legally _wrong_, but it is _not_ theft.  Theft, by definition, implies 
>>depriving a person of his physical property, and anticipated profits _are 
>>not physical property_.  They cannot be quantified with any degree of 

>Ever hear of something called intellectual property?  No?  That somehow
>doesn't surprise me.  Are you a pirate?  Is that the reason why you hide
>behind a silly nickname instead of using your real one?

Seems to me that you are being an ass. Perhaps he likes the name? I don't
follow YOUR logic [lack of] assuming that someone who uses a name is a
pirate... Now, you were clever enough to say this without actually 
"saying" it no?

>>certitude.  The ONLY way I could ever buy this argument would be if the 
>>program had to be re-written each time a copy was sold, in which case I 
>>would have to agree it was quite similar.  However, data can be 
>>reproduced over and over at almost no additional cost, so the comparison 
>>of real world, hand tooled goods is innacurate.  People who are 

>Sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of "real world, hand tooled goods"
>can also be reproduced at almost no additional cost.  As for software being
>re-written for each copy, that would be like re-designing a car for every
>customer or re-writing a book for each reader.  You really should get a clue.

Another silly bit of "logic"... When a disc is copied you are using your
own physical "MATERIAL". Trying to drag in car re-designing and rewriting
books is just plain silly. Besides, you would still be given "material"   
goods... [paper, car parts etc;]. Perhaps you should "get a clue"

>>victimized by pirates are not harmed as bad as people who are victimized 
>>by thieves, because they have not actually lost any material goods.  

>Hah, what an idiot you are!  Your sort of logic is used by mass-murderers to
>justify their killing of innocent people.  "Well, they never got to live the
>rest of their life, so they have not actually lost anything."

You do seem to have an attitude problem, please try to refrain from 
"name calling", perhaps someone will then believe that you have some
"intellectual property" of your own worth paying attention to.
Mass-murderers... Puh-leeze... you thumped the above poster for 
his idea's/beliefs/whatever on "physical" theft etc; claiming that
he is out in left field and then you turn around and try and drag 
"murderers" into this... Just who is "out there" now?

>>While they can certainly say they have been harmed by the piracy, it is 
>>hardly the same as a tablemaker being robbed:  in this case, he has to 
>>make a new table, just as he would have been forced to do had he sold it. 

>Does that make it any less wrong?  Sheesh, where in the world do you come
>up with this crap?  Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for raising
>someone such as yourself.

Again, you seem to be pretty good at "bashing" but an absolute A$$ at
carrying on a logical debate/argument. How about running off and 
insulting others, preferably somewhere where the USENET doesn't have 
to watch, incur costs for childish name calling etc;      

Oh, and to get back to the topic at hand... "Right and wrong" are not 
always "logical" decisions. In my opinion, the original poster was
debating with logic for his reasoning, you sir, are using morals, and
the two seldom mix. Visit you local courtroom some day.

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate and Pirate Basher
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu             ^^^^^^

About the only thing you have said thus far that supports anything
you said is "Basher".

* I apologize to all for having to stoop to this person's level
[re: the word A$$]  8-)
 
While I don't condone piracy, I do believe that some of the points
that the original poster had in favor of Piracy are valid, as are some
of the anti-piracy arguments. Morally, piracy is probably wrong, but 
then "morals" are all relevent to something else. ie: Having more
than one wife in certain areas of the world is "moral" [oh, I can here
Skip now "What's marriage got to do with piracy",  nothing, it has to
do with an example of how DIFFERENT morals can be] }:-)

Please excuse all typo's/spelling mistakes etc; I am in a bit of a rush!

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