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From: asrini@sanjuan (Anand Srinivasan)
Subject: ...S Ve Shekar Jokes...
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, CANADA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:43:15 GMT


	Sondhaveedu Vadagai Veedu Aagirathu (excerpts).


Sankaran : indha veetila oru portion vadagakku irukkunnu
	   sonnanga, naa inga kudi vara aasappadaraen.

Sekar :  engappa Adikesavanoda tenant-a irukka aasappaduriya?
         un suya ninaivodu than solriya? engappakku eduthathukkallam
         kovam varum. onnum periya vishayam illai, SSLC-le nan
         kanukkula fail, adhukku poi beltala adi adinnu adichchar

Sankaran : ithu evallovo paravalinnga, nan oru dhadava kannukku
           paritchayila passunga, irundalum engappa mudugula adichitar
           enna.

Sekar : aen ya?



Sankaran : meethi anju subjectla failungga.


.
.
.

Sekar : paruyya, nalaikku interviewla kizhinja sattaiyellam pottukuttu
        varadhe, nalla decenta dress pannindu varanum.

Sankaran : naa nalla sokka than pottukuttu vandaen. unga veetukku
           vaasalla irukkae -  naaya, maada athu...

Sekar : Adhu nay-ya, paal karakkadhu

Sankaran : athu kadichidichinga

Sekar : ayyayo! adhoda udambukku othukkadae!

.
.
.

Neighbour : Engappa oru chinna thappu pannar, adhukku poi oora
	    vittae viratitangayya

Shankaran : Appidi ennanga thappu pannar?

Neighbour : moonu pondati vechchirundarunga

Shankaran : Poo  ... moonu pondati vechukkaradhu unga appavoda
	    istamga...idukku poi-ya oora vittu viratinanga

Sekar     : unakku puriyudhu ya, andha moonu pondatiyoda
	    puruchangalukku theriyalaiyae! ...

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.
.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: dorai@cs.rice.edu (Dorai Sitaram)
Subject: Couple of phonological queries
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:06:33 GMT

1. Is there a minimal pair of Tamil words that are distinguished
solely by the phonemes /l./ and /l_/?  (/l./ as in /el./ = "sesame";
/l_/ as in /Tamil_/.  I'm using Tamil Lexicon: I guess in Adami these
would be /L/ and /zh/ respectively.)  Are there lots such?

2. Is it right to treat the a'ytam (/h_/, or the three dots) as a sort
of glottal stop?  What is the corresponding letter (if any) in
Sanskrit?

Nanri.

--d
-- 

dorai@titan.rice.edu   !    It may be that the gulfs will wash us down;
dorai@owlnet.rice.edu  !      it may be we shall touch the Happy Isles.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: viswanath@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: tamil word for airconditioner
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:35:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark



Does anybody know the Tamil word for 
1) airconditioner
2) banisters (of a staircase)?

P.V. Viswanath
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Help wanted
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:13:22 GMT
Distribution: na

Dear Nettors,

I am planning to bring my mother to US as a visitor by the END OF AUGUST.
If there is anyone coming from MADRAS around that time,  I would
like to know whether he/she can accompany her. It is preferable if the
port of entry is LOS ANGELES. My mother can understand/speak only 
TAMIL and TELUGU.

I also need some information regarding the health insurance for visitors.
Is it possible to buy health insurance from India (Madras)?. I would
appreciate any information regarding this.

Please send e-mail to 
	sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu

Thanks.
Sincerely,
M. Sundaramoorthy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: muthu@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (muthu.muthusamy)
Subject: Where is Murugasan?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:59:21 GMT

If you know his address/phone/e-mail, please reply.

muthu
muthu\@cblpe.att.comm


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: Naangaam Thamiz
Originator: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:45:56 GMT


I read Sornam Sankara's postings on Naangan Thamiz with lot of interest.
TN government is busy promoting cinema (I heard that J is spending 30 crores
ruppees to build a cinema-nagar which would make the movie production 
faster and less costlier, yea we really need one)  and TE government is busy
with its war effort, and Tamil language is left to die.  We, the people who have
immigrated to regions of relative stability have to take an active role in
preserving our mother tongue.  

Most of the ambitious student in TN study in English thinking that they have
a better chance of studying in US.  (Remember, the ambitious students slogan
is 'uyiruLLa varai USA').  There are quite a few Tamil professors and other
influential professionals in US.  They can help change this view by
preferring students who have studied a substantial part of their education
in their mother tongue.  This would, in the long run, encourage more people
to study in their mother tongue and help further with the reservation 
policy of India. 

Some may be afraid that this may sacrifice the quality, but that is not
necessarily so.  In fact, the people who learn in their mother tongue 
tend to outperform others.

Meenan Vishnu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ganesh@cs.albany.edu (Ganesh Murugesan)
Subject: Re: Hockey score
Originator: ganesh@karp.albany.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, SUNY at Albany, Albany, NY 12222
	<1992Jul30.050922.4662@menudo.uh.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.050922.4662@menudo.uh.edu> venkates@oak.egr.uh.edu (Ramchandar R. Venkatesan) writes:

   In article <92209.130718TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu> TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
   > Does any one know the Germany vs India hockey score of the game
   > played yesterday? I am not getting the soc.cul.Indian for the
   > past two days
   > Kesh

>>   Why dont u try rec.sports.hockey....

      That is Ice Hockey. The group for Field Hockey is

		rec.sport.hockey.field  

Ganesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: 5700aa@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( )
Subject: Balla Transform Recognized by the U.S.
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Expired: 8/5/92
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:36:15 GMT

In article <01GMOFBE8Z5C9D4DBJ@UMAECS>, in alt.politics.clinton,
 VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu writes:
> I heard something in Inside Politics @ CNN yesterday.  Someone (a big shot)
> made a mistake in our hon'ble Vice President's name!  What was that?
>
> Vicky:
> UMass,
> July 22


First Siripala Transforms  used by Bush and Sadam
Now
 the Balla -Bala Transform used by Bigshots and Quayle(-e)

Balla transform proves the real behavior defined by their great fathers
and mothers.

Good luck.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: asrini@sanjuan (Anand Srinivasan)
Subject: ...S Ve Shekar Jokes...
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, CANADA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:21:06 GMT


Vannakolangal (donno which part) :

Shekar's manager (SM) gives 5000 rupees to Vasu (Shekar (SV))
to buy a cow for him, who inturn gives it to some Pazhani (PZ)
who runs away with the money... SV finds PZ in the street ...

SV : Yow... needayya, unkitta panam koduthaene madu vaanga, naethikku
	kudichitu panam kudukkalainA sonnae... panam enga?

PZ : Adda ponga sir, neenga panam kuduthathu ennoda thambi Then-pazhani
	kitta, en paer Vada-Pazhani. 

SM : Vasuuuu! yaar kittayo panam kuduthuttu, ippo avanudaya annan-kittaya
	panam kekirae?

PZ : en-thambi kuduchittu paduthiruppan, avan kitta kezhunga sir...

SV : Vaanga sir, saaraya kadaikku poi aavanai pidikkalAm.

SM : Vaa avanai pidikkalAm. Naa saaraya kadaiya pathadhe illai,
	appadiyae paththa madiriyum irukkum.

.
.
.
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kaaNi nilam (BHARATIYAR)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:11:08 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.

In article <1992Jul30.155153.14637@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.143026.28533@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> nas_ng@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov. (Naga Ganesan) writes:
>[Much deleted]
>>                                  ci. cuppiramaNiya paarati.
>>
>>
>
>I am puzzled about why some one would write Bharati's name as above, and not
>as Subramanya Bharati.  It is true that the Tamil alphabet does not distinguish
>between say Pa and Ba, but Tamil speakers certainly do (unlike say Bengali
>speakers who have difficulty saying "V" -- I have a Bengali student who
>talks about "debices" when he means "devices").  Equally validly, one could
>write say a name like Patel as "Badel."  It seems an overdoing of Senthamizh
>to mispronounce and miswrite peoples' names as above.  (I don't mean it as
>a flame, but I am quite curious as to why people think the name should be
>written as above in Tamil.)
>
>As far as I know Bharati did not pronounce his name as "ci.
>cuppiramaNiya paarati."  Of course it is possible that some Tamilian
>named his child "Paarati" in honor of "Bharati," since he
>mispronounced the name as "Paarati", having seen it written only in
>Tamil.  In that case, we should perhaps write the child's name as
>"Paarati," since that was the name the father gave the child.  But in
>the case of the poet, I think his name should be written as "Subramanya
>Bharati" when we write it in English.
>

       It is all due to different transliteration
 schemes used by people to write Tamil in English.
 If you want to write Bharathi's name in K.S.'s
 ADAMI scheme, you should write
    ci. subramanya baarathi 
           OR
    si. cubramanya paarathi
           OR
    ci. cupramanya paarathi.
  All are the same !
       You don't really pronounce the Tamil scripts
 in your .txt file. They are transliterated into
 Tamil scripts in the screen when the input file is
 executed and you correct Tamil poem or whatever by
 going back and forth. It doesn't really matter 
 whether you write baarathi or paarathi in K.S.'s
 ADAMI scheme. 
                                        S.Pandian
                                  sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
-----------------------------------------------------
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: vetRi ( victory )
Date: 22 Jul 1992 10:39:37 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 [ Using K.Srinivasan's ADAMI transliteration scheme ]

             vetRi
            ------

  paadap puththagaththai avizhkka
  thamizhar veeram sidhaRiyadhu

  gangai kondaan chEran
  langai venRaan sOlan
  madhuraiyai meettaan paaNdian
  vetRi yaarukku ?
  
  saiva madham thamizhil thazhaiththadhu
  vaittuva madham aazhvaai muLaiththadhu
  samana madham kazhuvil Eriyadhu
  buddha madham mottaiyaaip pOnadhu
  vetRi yaarukku ?     

  seidhith thaaLaip pirikka
  thamizhar veeram sidhaRiyadhu

  madurai kaNdathu varalaatRuk kOlam
  cut-out uyaram meenaakshikku chavaal
  thondar kaLiththanar
  avar oor bus-aith thEdik kaLaiththanar
  vetRi yaarukku ?

  Odappar indRum Odappar thaan
  udaiyappar indRum udaiyappar thaan
  vetRi oruvarukkE !
                                - Tamilnesan.

  [ Posted by : S.Pandian ( sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu ) ]
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From: bkannan@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: LTTE ,TE - News
Date: 30 Jul 1992 17:12:36 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




  This is another request to those posters who have
  been feeding LTTE news.

  News about Srilankan Tamil civilians, their culture etc.
  should have no problem gaining acceptance on SCT.

  But,

  Please desist from glorifying LTTE on this newsgroup.
  
  I haven't given up this newsgroup for good. I 
  guess these people should be given more time to 
  come around. 

  And if the LTTE-liberals continue to think that 
  TE news is as legitimate as News about T.N, I have
  one suggetsion.

  How about a soc.culture.indian.tamil?
  [I don't think moderation is a good idea] 
  Maybe Sridhar Venkatraman can take the initiative. Sridhar,
  if you are reading this respond. No intention to put you
  in a fix!

  anbudan,
  Balaji Kannan
From: partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please start a news group soc.cul.indian.tamil that is moderated.
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:06:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.40752
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

In article <1992Jul30.231622.28707@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> prv@po.CWRU.Edu (Pallassana R. Venkataraman) writes:
>
>Dear netters, 
>	I have been offlate seeing too much of propaganda of LTTE on this net.
>	So I would suggest that we start soc. culture. indian. tamil which is 
>	moderated. 
>	I am disappointed to see my vote go this way. 

	[Stuff Deleted..]

This precisely for the same reason, I had advocated a moderation
for this newsgroup when Mr. Sundara Pandian and Dr. Srinivasan were
campaigining for SCT in SCI.  Issues like Tamil Ealam, Bhumiputra,
Khalistan etc.. are very very sensitive. Even the slightest remark
on such matters can spark an explosion.  Even if Meenan Vishnu
agrees to desist from posting his "news", it won't be long before
another fervant follower of another or similar idealim emerges.
When people say that there have been similar articles on Tamil Nadu
politics involving Jayalalitha, Cho etc.., they forget to realize
that there was not so much of protest raised against such articles
as compared to the TE news that Meenan Vishnu has been injectng
on this net. If it is so simple to use the KILL file or skip the
article, why did we create this newsgroup? We could have done the
same on SCI. We don't want any news here sirs, period. We would
like to discuss mostly culture and literature oriented issues here.
If it is objectionable, will some one start an RFD for moderation
for this group?  I didn't expect this net to fizzle out like this
so fast. If people are dying to know the Ealam news and stories,
please ask Mr. Vishnu to mail them to you. I am sure he'd gladly do
so. No sir, this net is not meant for any kind of news. Post them
in SCI or SCSL or MNSA. 

Partha sarathy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr4.uwaterloo.ca (Meenashi Vishnu)
Subject: Thamiz Eezam News (LTTE Propaganda)
Originator: mvishnu@bcr4.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:40:55 GMT


Dear Netters:

There have been many outcries about the "LTTE propaganda" in the net.
For those who are new to the netland, I would like to introduce
an ex-professor named Jayantha Herath (alias HLPI, GMUVAX etc).
This ex-professor has managed to scare netters from the soc.culture.
sri-lanka by his continuous junk postings.

I will continue to post news items from Toronto newspapers.  If you
want to take it as LTTE propaganda that is fine with me.  But I
am not responsible for the junk postings from the ex-professor 
Jayantha Herath (or any of his aliases).

I will not yield to pressures of 'thamizp-pahaivar' either from within
the Tamil community or outside it. 

Meenan Vishnu
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A Request to all posters
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:06:27 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

1. Please make the distribution 'world'. There is world outside 'usa'.

2. Please restrict your line length to 80 characters. Longer lines go
out of the screen for those using dumb terminals to read postings.

3. The probability of the posting being read is inversely proportional
to the length of the article.

K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: RAJINI,THE NEXT C.M ??
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:58:16 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

rsivasan@sedona.intel.com (Rajkumar Sivasankaran) writes:
: 
: 
: 	Heard the same thing from my friend who just returned from Madras last week.
: Thee even have T-SHIRTS featuring Rajinikanth
:
What's happening to TN? Most of its CMs are(were) either from
another country or from another state. MGR from Sri Lanka,
Jayalalitha from Karnataka and now Rajini from Karnataka.

Just a thought.

---Sreehari.
: 
: 
: Raj
From: muthu@mecad.uta.edu (S.N. Muthukrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Is Thirukkural a jainist work ?
Date: 19 Jul 92 15:15:39 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
ReplyTo: muthu@mecad.uta.edu
NntpPostingHost: mecad.uta.edu
X-Bytes: 2641

In article <1992Jul18.224113.11267@cs.odu.edu> raj@rose.cs.odu.edu (M. P.  
Krishna Raj) writes:
> 
> I don't remember exactly the references.
> 
> I was taught in class by tamil teachers that valluvar is 
> is a weaver(kai kolar). There is also some story relating
> vasuki dropping vessel in the when her husband called.
> 
> Besides there is a reference 
> 
> Anthanar enber arovor....
> 
> Anthanar is only mentioned to denote iyers and iyengars.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anthanar _does not_ denote the iyer and iyengar surnames. Unfortunately
this concoction of terminology is much recent than one can imagine. It is
my presumption that it can into vougue since the turn of 19the century.

The Sanskrit word, Brahman denotes a way of life. To attain Brahman hood
certain  "karma" is necessary. The attainment of Brahman signifies that
the person is complete. The person has evolved into one who has no hatred,
no distinction for the rich or poor. The reference to "Anthanar enboor.."
is similar to what goes below from "silapathikaram",

AkAthu Ombi, Apayan aLikkum ...   > anybody can own a cow and sell milk!

This does not mean that only the "Ayar kulam" has to own a cow and sell milk.
That is socialistic attitude. We have never had a socialistic culture, in the
ancient tamizh kingdoms. (sorry to have digressed).

Coming back to Anthanar enboor ..., I think that we should go back and look
into history instead of generalizing facts. History is rich and let us not
jump into bandwagons of communalism. 

Finally , I think it does'nt matter as to which religion or caste or creed
Thiruvalluvar belongs. The greatest literary and philosophical work procreated
by him is enough to put a full stop to this meaningless and endless discussion.
 
> We cannot expect a jaina to portray saivism as good.
> Besides in many areas, valluvar describes military strategy which was
> only meant for killing people. I don't think any jaina literature
> would cover this kind of militaristic ideas. Besides what about
> last section of the Kural?
> 
> Seevaga Cinthamani also has full dose of same kind of stuff. Kemasari  
Ilambagam
> is the perfect example. I read the text book for Annamalai University
> B.A ,B.Sc students.(197981). I wondered how a lecturer can teach this stuff
> in the class.(Seevaga cintamani is a jaina literature, Manimegalai is  
buddist)
> 
> Raj

Well, I wanted to quote from Sillapthikaram (authored: in (year?)), but I
am unable to recall from memory the author. Can someone help me please...

Muthukrishnan


S. N. Muthukrishnan                   muthu@mecad.uta.edu (NeXT mail)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:394 soc.culture.indian:26346
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Tamil in Schools (TN, Delhi)
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:06:16 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

In article <1992Jul28.145343.25221@athena.mit.edu> krish@athena.mit.edu
(Viswanathan Krishnan) writes:
>Folks: I write this article as one of the last students to study 
>Tamizh in this Madras school (please, let me keep the school's name 
>confidential). From the year after I graduated, Tamizh was scrapped 
>from the 10+1 level onwards for lack of interest. In my class there
>were just 3 students, a tragic sight in Tamil Nadu. 
>

Furthur Mr. Krishnan gives employment goals as the main cause of this
drop in interest to learn Tamil in Tamil Nadu.

Long ago, in the Delhi Madrasi Education Association Higher Secondary
school, the situation was different. The medium of instruction was
English from class 5 and up. From classes 5 to 8, one language option
was Sanskrit or Tamil. Practically everybody took Sanskrit, as it was
easier to get 100%. In the science group starting class 9,
there was no provision for learning Tamil. In the arts group, one
could take a Modern Indian language (Tamil). 'Compulsary Hindi', required
by law, was for both science and arts groups. The only optional subject
in Science group was Sanskrit/Geography/Biology/Drawing.
But the following policy of the school made an ocean of difference.

For all the students, not studying Tamil as a subject, (class 5 and up),
there was a 'non-compulsary Tamil', every week. The Tamil Nadu school
texts were followed. But no exams, no marks. It was mostly the teacher
narrating about Tamil literature (not covered in TN text book),
and discussions on them. (the popular teacher's name R. Parthasarathy).
That was where I heard all the 'kal thOnRi maN thOnRaak kaalam thottu'
etc., much before the DMK people started using it in Madras beaches!!.

This class was better attended than the 'compulsary' classes.
It probably set the foundation for further interest and self study
among all the students.

If there are younger alumni from MEAHS School (alias Tamil EA HS School,
Delhi), please post about the situation now a days.
Please cross post in s.c.i and s.c.t.

K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: kaaNi nilam (BHARATIYAR)
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:20:35 GMT


>       It is all due to different transliteration
> schemes used by people to write Tamil in English.
> If you want to write Bharathi's name in K.S.'s
> ADAMI scheme, you should write
>    ci. subramanya baarathi 
>           OR
>    si. cubramanya paarathi
>           OR
>    ci. cupramanya paarathi.
>  All are the same !

That is my point.  If they are the same, why don't we write it in a manner
that preserves both the pronunciation *and* the ability to write correctly
in Tamil script?  Quite frankly, I think it is an abomination to write it
as "paarati."  Oh, well.
From: kep@calmasd.Prime.COM (Patteaswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Is Thirukkural a jainist work ? ( NOT ! )
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:27:16 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <Brqrsr.Ht5@watserv1.waterloo.edu> mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.151718.17247@newstand.syr.edu> meena@top.cis.syr.edu (Meenakshi Arunachalam) writes:
>>In the "Kanthar Sashti Kavasam"[Pazhani], there is a kural venba 
>>at the beginning:
>>
>>	Amarar idartheera amaram purintha
>>	kumaranadi nenje kuri.
>
>I don't this is from ThirukuraL.  It is no doubt in the Kural format,
>but it is not one of the 1330 couplets written by VaLLuvar.

Yes, this is not from Thirukkural.

	... some stuff deleted ...

>>
>>Thiruvalluvar has referred to Lord Muruga in this kural. 
>>I was wondering if this could throw some light on his belief.
>>Or is he just talking about the then popular saivite faith?
>>any idea as to which chapter/athikaram this kural is from?
>>
>>thanks
>>-meena
>
>
>Meenan Vishnu

I would like to point out that Thirukkural does not refer to any religion
or subsect in its entire 1330 couplets. There were half a dozen subsects
under the Hindu religion during that time ( Saivam, Vainavam, Goumaram,
Ganapathiam, etc. ) and probably other religions too, but Thirukkural stands 
above these divisions and that's why it is called a 'Pothu Marai' ( a 
common 'veda' like ). There are of course mentions about God, but not in a 
specific form relating to certain particular beliefs. There are references 
like 'Venduthal Vendamai Ilan' ( one without want or dislike ) etc.

An interesting point : The number of times the word 'Kadavul' appearing
in Thirukkural = 0.

Anbudan,
Easwaran

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San Diego
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