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From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Night of the Living Net AntiChrists (was Re: Redheaded Stranger)
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:39:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath) writes:
>lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith) wrote:
>> So did everyone see who was the AL Player of the Week?
>
>I also understood that the AL Player of the Week stole home over the
>weekend.  Someone told me he accomplished this by pulling out a small
>revolver and shooting the pitcher, wherein he was able to 'strut his 
>stuff' from 3rd to home.

Well, actually it was like this:  man on first, Lansford on third.  The
A's try the delayed double steal thing.  Opposing catcher tosses the ball
into center field, and Lansford chugs home.  Hometown scorer cuts the 
TreeStump a break and awards him a stolen base.

Meanwhile, this was the game that Gene "Tapemeasure" Nelson started
against the TIGERS, but failed to dish deeply in.  LaRussa found this
unacceptable, so he put Parrett and Honeycutt out there in a vain
attempt to get the Tigers to generate some offense before forcing that
new kid Campbell to serve one up to Mickey Tettleton.

So now that we've covered Lansford and Nelson, let's get really ugly and
discuss Jeff M."onster" Robinson's hideous performance yesterday:

IP   H   R   ER   BB   SO   NP   GS   New ERA
4.1  7   6    6    0    1   76   38     4.46  

The good news is that he got a no decision for this Fine performance,
which included dishing deeply to Ed Taubensee.

Meanwhile, I'm sure that Amit will be pleased to hear that Jeff King
cracked another homer yesterday, which may have brought his SLG back
over the magic .300 mark and thus guarantees his further presence in
the lineup for another week or so.

Last but not least, let's talk about "Round Tripper" Kipper, who had
one of the more entertaining lines of the season Monday night:

IP   H   R   ER   BB   SO   NP   New ERA
.1   1   3    3    2    0    8     3.58

Yup, the Kipmeister actually gave up two walks *and* a hit on only
eight pitches.  The really funny part was that the walk to Felix
Fermin was intentional...  

Well, back to work...

jking
From: bobn@hawkwind.Central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Carry-isms (was Re: Shoot Harry)
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:56:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkwind.central.sun.com

In article <BruGp1.H9L@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, men28794@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael E Napier) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul23.125606.3480@news.acns.nwu.edu> erude@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Erick Rudiak) writes:
|> >In article <Brt4Lu.Gvp@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >	Harry hasn't gotten a name right in years.
|> 
|> My favorite was when he called Terry Pendleton, Terry 'Pendergas'

My favorite is Hector Villanueva as Hector Valenzuela.  After three
years, Harry has finally got ole Hect's name right.

Add to that Tom Pagnozzo (in all fairness there is someone in the
front office named Pagnozzo, Sharon I believe) and a complete
destruction of the name Alicea.


|> 
|> Harry -- always good for a laugh.


But I like him.

Bob
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Ottawa AAA (was Re: Marlins/Rockies Minor League Teams)
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:38:22 GMT


> The rumour circulating around metro Denver is that the Rocks will 
> put their AAA team in Colo. Springs, since the pact between 
> the Sky Sox and Cleveland will run out this year. They'll probably
> be there, at least that's my guess. 
> 
> I don't think that Colo. would go for a AAA team as far away from
> Denver as Ottawa or Charlotte. The Squiddies may take the spot 
> in North Carolina, since it is the closest possible site. 

Trust me on this one...95% probability that Ottawa will be the Expos
farm club, as

(a) the Expos agreement with Indianapolis runs out this year.
(b) Ottawa-to-Montreal is about 120 miles.
(c) Montreal backed the Ottawa bid very strongly
(d) Expos front-office man, and former manager, Jim Fanning was at
    the press conference held to announce everything here in Ottawa.
(e) a little birdy told me so. A dependable little birdy.

> BTW, the AAA expansion was a total joke. OTTAWA, a city that's NEVER
> had a baseball team to speak of, a city without a stadium, for that 
> matter, bgets an expansion franchise??? 

It is O.K. to be pissed off, but please get the facts straight. Ottawa
was in fact a AAA city in the late 40's-early 50's. I believe we had
affiliations with the Cards and the Giants but may be wrong about
that. You are correct that Ottawa does not have an AAA quality stadium
but the one that is now being built will be a gem.  And it is almost
downtown, too.

> I was extremely pissed that 
> despite 3 straight record breaking 200,000 seasons in Tulsa, and 
> now the removal of that dang Astroturf, they didn't get a team.
> FOR SHAME!

Well, it may be sad that Tulsa didn't get a team, but giving one to
Ottawa is neither a shame nor a joke, for several reasons:

1. Strong, single person, ownership.

2. After granting of the Senator's NHL franchise in December 90,
season's tickets were sold out in one week. The point being that even
in a recession, there is money in Ottawa. (We are basically a
white-collar city, being the seat of government and all.)

3. Strong backing by major league baseball (Montreal).

4. Population base: 400,000 Ottawa city limits, 1,000,000 metro area.

5. 7000 season ticket pledges sold before awarding of the franchise.
(Planned stadium is 10,000 seats.

The bad news is a strike by construction road workers is blocking
progress of the stadium, which is on a tight schedule to begin with.
There is an outside chance we might lose the team before it starts.
And that would be a shame and a joke.

-- 
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From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Sexy Baseball Players
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.005530.11690@seas.smu.edu> marley@seas.smu.edu (Elisabeth Anne Marley) writes:
>After watching some baseball games recently, and noticing that many
>of the r.s.b readers are male, I was curious as to who everybody
>thinks is the sexiest baseball player currently active.
>
>My vote is for Rob Dibble.

My wife informs me that Carlton Fisk is still a hot number.  (This no doubt
reflects her mature taste!)



-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
From: tssb@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves Fans
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:26:08 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

reIn article <1410@hades.hera.Sbi.Com>, jwhirley@zip.sbi.com (John Whirley) writes:
> 
> 	Yes, the Astros series was quite a let down after the Braves series.
> My TBS "America's Superstation" is on the blink, please tell me how the Braves
> are doing against the Mets.
> 
> 
> 	Looks like I was in error in my reply.
> 
> 
> 	Enjoy third place.
> 
> 				Yours truly,
> 
> 				A Reds fan




  The Braves are now in first, where we will stay. Sorry.
                               A Braves fan
From: Gerry Hobbs
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Shades of Toby Harrah
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:14:11 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu
Organization: WVU Department of Stat & Cs


    Does anybody see what Downing's doing? According to McPaper's
weekly stats Brian Downing had 41 walks and 164 at bats. Ignoring
HB, SF,SH and some really rare events, that means he is walking 20% 
of the time. Toby Harrah had a season like that some time ago. It was
followed by a terrible season and the end of his career. 
    Some time thereafter I read an article, perhaps in BJA, about the
exceptionally high walk rate being a harbinger of subsequent decline.
The idea as I recall it was that slowed reflexes causes the aging batter
to take pitches he used to rip away at.  At this time the pitchers are 
still, of course, pitching to his reputation as something of a slugger 
- being careful.  The next year the reflexes slip even farther and the 
pitchers get bolder and Toby gets to retire to West Palm Beach. I don't
remember for sure but I think there were other examples of similar
career paths.
    You could predict a similar fate for Downing based purely on his
age I guess.  It will be interesting to see if his decline is as rapid as
was Harrah's.
                            Gerry
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Herzog Seen Shopping In Syracuse
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:24:12 PST

In article <1992Jul24.131529.11284@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) writes:
> 	Whitey Herzog has been at several Syracuse Chiefs (Toronto Blue Jays AAA
> Affiliate)  games over the last several days.  His primary interest is likely 
> Blue Jays catching prospect Ed Sprague.
>  
> 	Also, during the Blue Jays west coast trip an unusually large number of
> Blue Jay executives and scouts have been poking their noses around.  
>  
> Question:  Are the Jays-Angels trade rumors we've been hearing about back on the 
>            rails?  What Angels' pitcher could the Jays be interested in now that
>            Abbott has been sidelined?  Langston?


     The rumor as of last week was a 5-for-1 deal in which toronto would get
  Abbott and the angels would get Derek Bell, (ugh!, mental block... there were
  others named).   I think that toronto figures that it's going to lose decent
  players in the expansion draft so they might as well make a multi-player
  deal.

     Also, in todays (7/24) LATimes, montreal is reportedly interested in 
  the Dodgers Ojeda and/or Benzinger.     :-)

     mark pede
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Both Canadian teams in first place
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:10:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

>The more interesting question is - how would CBS like a World Series
>played completely in Canada?

They'd probably have to hire Don Cherry and John Davidson to broadcast it.
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All 6th-best team
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:19:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <3848@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>Texas: Sierra, Palmeiro, Gonzalez, Palmer, Brown  (except they'd have to
>	protect Ryan, or be stormed by irate fans...)
>

Actually, this brings up an interesting question regarding the expansion
draft - is Texas going to protect Ryan?  I think it's possible they could
avoid this in order to protect a younger player.  Ryan could announce that
there's no way he's ever going to pitch for any non-Texas team, and if an
expansion team selects him, he's retiring.  I tend to think Miami and
Denver would believe him, and just not select him even if he's available.

Greg 

-- 
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 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
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Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here)
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cone threw how many pitches?
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:51:00 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Jul27.203857.18917@serval.net.wsu.edu> crichard@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (richardson craig s - CS500) writes:
>In article <Jul.27.15.47.35.1992.8185@remus.rutgers.edu> zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf) writes:
   
>> Who says that making a pitcher work a little harder will shorten his career?

>Craig Wright, in _The_Diamond_Appraised_ (anyone who disagrees with Tom House
>as much as Wright does gets my vote :-) ).

Pretty persuasive ...

>>There's considerable debate going on these days on whether or not it's the 
>>LACK of consistant use that does a pitcher in these days.  

...[good answer]

>> Besides, look at ole Nolan.  How many pitches do you think *he's* thrown so
>>far?  [So far meaning he's not done *yet*!]

>Again, total number of pitches doesn't count.  Also note that (1) Nolan wasn't
>worked hard for *all* his formative years (he had a couple of light seasons),

In fact,
almost all of his pre-25 seasons were pretty low in BFP, due to 
wildness (lowering his usage, I guess, though I don't really
remember the details of his early years) and minor injuries.
RLAH (reference left at home), so I could be wrong...

...

>(3) as Wright mentions, pitchers who have hellacious exercise programs (Ryan,
>Carlton, Cy Young) tend to age better than those who don't, (4) Ryan is a
>mutant :-).

and I kind of buy the Bill James argument that pitchers who naturally
*can* throw really hard are less prone to arm injuries because
when they are at 90%, they *still* bring good heat.  So Ryan can
ease up much of a game and still blow a lot of batters away, 
especially as his control has improved.

But Ryan is definitely unique.  Using him as an example of
anything where he is meant to illustrate a typical member of
some class is absurd.  There is no one in the same category.

-- 
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From: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Herzog Seen Shopping In Syracuse
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:39:39 GMT
Reply-To: zappala@Xerox.com (Daniel Zappala)
Organization: Xerox PARC

> Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) says:

> If the Angels can manage to pull this deal off, they are in good (but not
> all that good) shape for next year:
> 
> C:	Sprague
> 1B:	Barbara
> 2B:	Flora
> SS:	Sojo or Gonzales
> 3B:	Kent
> LF:	Bell
> CF:	Curtis
> RF:	Felix
> DH:	Polonia/Salmon
> 

Barbara?  Who is he?  I take it the "Lee Stevens will replace Joyner" experiment
is over now that he has hit below .200 for the first half of the season?
I liked this guy when he first came up.  What happened?

Has Flora done that well in the minors?  I've lost track of him lately.

Why Sojo or Gonzales at SS?  Hasn't DiSarcina played well enough to hold
that down?  I like Gonzales in the lineup, btw.  An improvement over
Gaetti at third, but then, that's not a surprise.

Info on Derek Bell?  Don't know much about him either.


Thanks,


Daniel
(another Angels fan up north)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: Jarrod.Miller@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jarrod Miller)
Subject: Re: AMATEUR: Miskatonic slaughters opponent - It's Grim.
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:13:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.231332.26482@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu> earutter@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Ethan Rutter) writes:
>In article <15612@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay) writes:

>Well you guys are just fucking awesome, aren't you?  You just think
>you're Nolan Ryan, don't you?
In fact, he doesn't.  But compared to 95% of us subscribed to this
newsgroup, he is.

>Sorry, Gary.  Maybe next time I'll read your other posts so I'll have
>some clue what your real intention is.

Add "AMATEUR" to your kill file if you don't like it.  At first when
this argument sprung up, I didn't particularly care for the attitude the
Gary "Who Gives A" Huckabay's posts had, but everybody's allowed to post
here.  Unless a vast majority of the newsgroup is offended by Gary's
posts, I suggest you just grin and bear it.

Personally, I get a kick out of doing well in my softball league, and
Gary loves his baseball. 

Remember, it's just a GAME.

-jarrod



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From: poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Where have all the flakes gone?
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:21:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <22597@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>In rec.sport.baseball, U39730@uicvm.uic.edu (Norma Kateeb) writes:
>>Are there any modern day flakes left in baseball?
>>Okay fans--is there anyone today--be it player, manager, GM, umpire--
>>ANYONE who adds some life and fun to the game today?
>
My mind can't think of the name right now but I recall a very loud NL
umpire who uses an exxagerated motion when calling balls and strikes
(pardon the euphemisms).  What is his name?

paul
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Mon, Jul 27th, 1992
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:30:28 GMT

In article <19730@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:

>I am going to remember that.  We will have to see.  You can say it is luck,
>but the bottom line is, he won.  I would rather have someone like him
>on my team who wins games than someone like Tim Belcher, who always 
>posts good stats but always manages to give up one more run than the
>his team scores that day (this is especially true this year).  Stats cannot
>tell the whole story with pitchers.  Now, I have not studied any pitchers'
>starts this year, but certainly there is something different about giving
>up 3 runs when you are up by 7 as opposed to 3 runs in a close ballgame.
>Also, if a team scores more runs for a pitcher, so be it.  I don't care
>what the reason is, if you win, I am happy.  I realize you will say that
>a pitcher can't control how many runs are scored when he pitches, etc., and
>that is certainly true, but you have to take wins into consideration too.

Is it Jim Abbott's fault that the Angels have a non-existent offense?  Is
it Kyle Abbott's fault that the Phillies don't score when he pitches?  Is
it Storm Davis' credit that the A's scored ~6 runs a game when he pitched in
'89?

If you say yes to all three of the above questions, I have nothing further
to ask.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.200202.15313@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
>
>I think we have had this dance before.  Mickey Hatcher?  
>
>IF, going into an infinite series, two teams were statistically equal - very 
>big IF - AND one team was to win a significantly greater amount of games than 
>the other team, you would attribute the total difference to luck.  I would 
>attribute some of that difference to luck and some of that difference to
>the slippery essence of all human endeavors.  No, I don't know what that essence
>is nor do I know how to measure it.  When people talk about character or
>attitude they are trying to describe it.  I can't do much better than that. 
>I am not arrogant enough to assume that reality is only that which can be 
>measured.  The sun used to revolve around the earth.  Aristotle measured it.
>
>It is almost a question of faith.  I have faith in something that you don't
>have faith in.  That faith makes my life a little richer.  And knowing that
>my faith is unfounded probably makes your life a little richer - either way
>there is not much to be gained by fighting over it.

Fine, but then, don't try to make the rest of us believe in it, if you can't
prove its existence.

It always deteriorates down to "I believe it, although I have no evidence for
it."  You *always* bring up non-statistical contributions of players while
*knocking on* other people's evaluations.  If you want to believe in non-
statistical contributions of players, that is perfectly fine; there is no
way to disprove them, but don't try to force your value on the rest of us.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Both Canadian teams in first place
Keywords: Canadian first
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:19:12 GMT
Organization: Trent University, Ontario

In article <1992Jul30.190749.27186@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:
>
>So do they only play "Oh, Canada" before the games, or would there be some
>excuse to play both anthems?
>
>Mike Timlin
 ^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>timlin@spot.colorado.edu

So this explains where he's been while someone has been masquerading as
him in the Jays' bullpen.

Colin.
From: al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Buffalo
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:15:51 GMT
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Kevin Young has his average up to .293 with 16 doubles 3 triples and 7 home
runs in 311 at bats.  No walk data.  Again, I think he must be on a pretty
long hot streak since I can remember his average in the .220's back in
May.  He may be a palatable solution at third base.

Al Martin seems to be tearing it up.  Is he a washed up over 30 keep the
record good career minor leaguer or is he a prospect?  Someone please look
that up.

I have found one chink in Garcia's armour.  He does not walk much. 276 BA
.311 OBA.  Certainly not Barry Bonds.

Jeff King has homered in consecutive games.  Damn.  Now they may have more
patience with him.
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Past World Series
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:31:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: dseg.9207231531.AA01733

Does anyone have a list of past World Series?  By that I mean a list of
the two teams who played in it each year and which one won.

Any help is appreciated.  Especially if you have the last 10 Series.

Thanks in advance...
-Mike Noonan
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