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From: gschlesi@scott.skidmore.edu (Christopher Robin)
Subject: Re: New Frankenstein movie(s)
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:36:22 GMT

jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob) writes:
> 
> 	There was a fairly faithful adaptation of Frankenstein,
> 	where the creature at first looks and acts fine, and
> 	then decays into the monster, eventually battling for his
> 	life with his creator over a frozen sea. 

Doesn't sound faithful to me.  One of the points of the book is that
he is ugly yet good in the beginning but becomes evil as he is
continually shunned throughout his life.  I can hardly see why he
would become evil if he acted normal and looked good from the
beginning.  Plus, there was never a battle as such between the monster
and Frankenstein (but I'll pass over that because such scenes are
always added to make things "exciting").  But this isn't a flame, I
haven't actually seen the movie.  It just sounds to me as if maybe the
director maybe wanted to convey a different point by making the
monster look "fine" from the beginning.
	 		Cheers,
				C.R.

> 
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From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: 2001 : What does it mean!!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:22:37 GMT
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

franzis@evax.gdc.com writes:
>  Hello,
> 
> 	Last night I saw 2001 A space odyssey for the 10th time
>   and I still don't understand the last part. (When his space pod
>   is flying through the crazy colors to the end where the monolith
>   appears again) Am I suppose to understand it? Does the author
>   understand it !!??  If someone could enlighten me I would appreciate
>   it. Please no jokes and no references to the second movie 2010.

Simple interpretation:

Space-time travel where Dave's life and purpose are revealed to him.
Have a look at the beginning of the film again, (ape tosses a bone
sequence) then fast forward to the space-pod colour sequence. These two
scenes bracket the develpoment of humankind, from using simple leverage
tools to space, and, through the powers of the monolith, time travel and
more...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William Ross
cithara                 Specalists in asbestos underwear
                        since 1992                william@cithara.login.qc.ca
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From: matoh@lysator.liu.se (Mats \hrman)
Subject: Re: sound in space
Reply-To: matoh@sssab.se
Organization: 3S AB
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:16:01 GMT

u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
>If you're going to complain about "sound in space", what about : who's playing
>all that music you always hear in films. Is there an orchestra(sp?) just of 
>screen or what...?

Of course there is an orchestra just off-screen. Haven't you seen
Blazing Saddles and High Anxiety?... :-) :-) :-) :-)


--
     _
Mats Ohrman     E-mail:   matoh@lysator.liu.se.se
From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:06:57 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <myers.722046856@hickory.cs.scarolina.edu>, myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers) writes:
> Just something worth noting...
> 
> It was made pretty clear (at least as I remember it) that the Alien
> critters were a artifically created life-form, made to be the perfect
> weapon, and that they were extremely adaptable to adverse conditions.

Ash made that statement, but I think it was more with a note of admiration
than historical origins.

> It might be then that there would be an infinite number of "casts" (kind
> of like super-self-mutating termites) each adapted to perform a specific
> task in a specific environment.
> 

This one could go on forever. Everybody's got his own version of the
"Lifestyles of the Big, Mean, and Ugly" 

> Basically they're more like self-manufacturing, single-purpose tools
> than they are like animals or people.

Now that's an interesting idea: "Sears' Multi-environmental Planetary
Consolidation Tools. Just one and the planet is yours in six months.
(void where prohibited by law)"

> 
> Then again, I could be wrong (usually am).

We all are, once in awhile. And with this subject, we all are, always.
But the discussion is fun, anyways.

> 
> -Mm
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Myers (Madman)		| If the creator had intended us to walk 
> myers@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu	| upright, he wouldn't have given us knuckles
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: Help!  Need some information....
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 07:17:00 GMT


In article <X39SBNH1@cc.swarthmore.edu> kbuckhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu
(Keir Buckhurst) writes:
>
>I am a senior at Swarthmore College interested in working with computer
>graphics in film or television as a possible career choice.  I am
>interested in applying to some of the companies that are working in this
>area such as ILM who did the computer imaging in Terminator 2.

How about writing to comp.graphics.animation newsgroup?

>And, if anyone has any other comments or suggestions or advice, those are
>more than welcome.  I do not have much coursework experience in working
>with computers, since Swarthmore is a fairly small, liberal-arts type of
>college, but I have taken classes in CADD and done a lot of work with
>various graphics programs.  So what I am hoping for is to apply to work as
>an intern, or unpaid staff, until I can get some more experience.

Using CAD programs doesn't help that much.

I have understood that top computer graphics animators
should be able to make C language programs; and know
basics of computer graphics programming/algorithms.

T2 effects involves special purpose programs too.

Juhana Kouhia
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:13:42 EST
From: Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Movie sorta like Aliens name ???

Whass that movie that is sorta like the Alien series (chestbursters, etc.) ?
I've seen the name here a few times but I always forget it and I really would
like to check out this flick.   (Please email or look to see if 800 people have
already responded to me before you post. Thanks.)

Thanx for any help!

-Sime

"Let's toast the hero                       L   e   t   s
 With blood in his eyes,
 The scars on his mind                         G   o
 Took so many lives...
 Die Hard The Hunter"                       P   E   N   S
    -Def Leppard
From: chelius@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (thomas chelius      )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: sound in space
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:58:49 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1e8fgmINN3l2@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:
>>>How many SF films are realistic enough that they show there is no sound
>>>in space? All I can think of is 2001.
>
>One movie (I forget which) used in its advertising the phrase:
>"In space, no one can hear you scream."
>
>
>-- 

If I'm not mistaken, this was for the movie ALIEN, which did have sounds in
space...

Shags
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: Movie sorta like Aliens name ???
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:13:57 GMT

>Whass that movie that is sorta like the Alien series (chestbursters, etc.) ?
>I've seen the name here a few times but I always forget it and I really would
>like to check out this flick.   (Please email or look to see if 800 people have
>already responded to me before you post. Thanks.)

Erm... it's easier just to post it.
I think you mean:
XTRO! 
I saw it a while ago, and can't remember much of it (it was at a
party), but I remember thinking it was Alien.

>Thanx for any help!
Pas de porblum.

>-Sime
mNSIo
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: 2001 : What does it mean!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov20.132246.1@evax.gdc.com> franzis@evax.gdc.com  
writes:
> 	Last night I saw 2001 A space odyssey for the 10th time
>   and I still don't understand the last part. (When his space pod
>   is flying through the crazy colors to the end where the monolith
>   appears again) Am I suppose to understand it? Does the author
>   understand it !!??  If someone could enlighten me I would  
appreciate
>   it. Please no jokes and no references to the second movie 2010.
> 

Have you read the book?  That's probably the easiest way to
find out what it all means.

  

----------------------------------------------------------
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: The Day the Earth Stood Still
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:33:32 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <BxvB9H.LAD@world.std.com>, rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
> Right on!. The political message at the end of TDTESS is pure libertarian
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> limited government philosphy. That is to say Government is a policeman,
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Say what!?

> not a welfare agency or a charity. I consider TDTESS to be one of the best
> put together SCI-FI movies.  
> 
> It also is much better than the short novel by Harry Bates on which it was
> loosely based.
> 
> Bob Kolker
> 

I was left with the impression that for Klaatu's political body it was a matter
of children growing up. In the context of the movie, Earth had nukes, and they
were developing rockets capable of delivering them. Having reached this level,
humans were now a danger to themselves as a race, and a potential danger to
the universe at large if allowed to proceed without restriction. While 
Klaatu's ultimatum might be simplistic and dictatorial ( it also smacks of
divine intervention ), Earth was invited to join a group of planets and races
who had similar restrictions imposed on them. 

Given the period this movie was released in, I am amazed that it survived in
any form whatsoever. It was highly critical of government posturing and made
light of what are (to diplomats and politicians) serious issues. It also
took that unforgivable approach: it painted everybody with the same brush.

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
From: donnell@starfish.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: New Frankenstein movie(s)
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:10:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov23.201033.7022
Organization: none

In article <1992Nov20.135323.9591@oswego.Oswego.EDU> an_ind21@oswego.oswego.edu (Edward G. Farrell ) writes:
>This is sopposed to be a remake of THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. Rice
>is also supposed to write a new novel based on the script.
>
>                                                  - Ed

Another one? What! "The Bride" <with Sting and Jennifer Beals> wasn't quite
shitty enough? I doubt Hollywood could grind out an acceptable remake of 
this one. It'd be turned into a sex and blood gore films, with enough
artiness to make you puke. Blah.

					--Judex--
From: TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: No no no...it's not XTRO...
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:08:52 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I can't remember what the movie was that was like Aliens, but it aint XTRO.
Something like "The Creature Within" or something cheesy.
Anyone?

Sime
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: donnell@starfish.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: No no no...it's not XTRO...
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:25:02 GMT

In article <92326.180852TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:
>I can't remember what the movie was that was like Aliens, but it aint XTRO.
>Something like "The Creature Within" or something cheesy.
>Anyone?
>
>Sime

Ah. I brought that one up, you shoulda askjed me directly. 
here are some films that Alien borrows from:

They Came From Within <the original chestburster. Cronenberg's debut feature>
Planet Of The Vampires <scenes with a giant alien skeleton seated at a huge
      gun. Eerily familiar after watching Alien.>
It! The Terror From Beyond Space <Alien creature invades a spaceship,
     killing and feeding on the crew. Alien hides in airshafts, and I
believe it kils the captain. >

All fun to watch in an Alien film festival.
Also try:

alien Contamination
Creature <aka Titan Find>
Scared To Death

These are more unofficial "sequels" and rip offs.
Also try: 

Galaxy Of Terror
Forbidden World.

Enjoy!
					--Judex--
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: New Frankenstein movie(s)
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:05:24 GMT
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg

>
>	There was a fairly faithful adaptation of Frankenstein,
>	where the creature at first looks and acts fine, and
>	then decays into the monster, eventually battling for his
>	life with his creator over a frozen sea.  I haven't seen
>	this in probably ten years.  Does anybody remember what
>	this was called and know anything else about it?  It seems
>	to have been made in the late 60's perhaps (I'm only
>	guessing) and from my vague memory seemed very good and
>	true to the novel.  The only thing I can remember about
>	the title of this film is that the opening or ending
>	credits and a rose in the background.  (How's that for
>	vague?)
>
I think you're talking about "Frankenstein: The True Story". This
was a made-for-TV movie which came out in the mid-seventies and
starred Michael Sarrazin (sp?) as the Monster. I don't recall
it being particularly faithful to the book other than the Monster
aging and fighting with Frankenstein in the Artic. The movie
also cast the Shelly's physician, Pollidori in a rather large 
role which I don't remember from the novel.

One problem I have with all of the Frankenstein adaptations is that
I can't recall any scene in the book in which the Baron employs
artificial means to bring the monster to life. As I recall (and
I could be wrong) he simply sews the disparate parts together and,
"Viola!" the monster is alive. Not very exciting (or scientific)


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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: sound in space
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:46:33 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:

>>>How many SF films are realistic enough that they show there is no sound
>>>in space? All I can think of is 2001.
>
>One movie (I forget which) used in its advertising the phrase:
>"In space, no one can hear you scream."
>

"In space no one can hear you scream." The first of the trilogy.
The one, the only, ALIEN.
From: kbuckhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Keir Buckhurst)
Subject: Help!  Need some information....
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:55:59 GMT

Hi there.

I am a senior at Swarthmore College interested in working with computer
graphics in film or television as a possible career choice.  I am
interested in applying to some of the companies that are working in this
area such as ILM who did the computer imaging in Terminator 2.  However the
resources here at Swarthmore are fairly limited for this particular area,
and I don't have access to anyone in this field who could give me some
answers or suggest directions.  The reason I am posting is I would like to
know the names (and addresses if possible) of any companies that are doing
this type of work.  Particularly those located in New York would be great,
since that is where I currently live, although California is certainly a
possiblity.  They should probably also use Macs, since that is what I know
the best.  

And, if anyone has any other comments or suggestions or advice, those are
more than welcome.  I do not have much coursework experience in working
with computers, since Swarthmore is a fairly small, liberal-arts type of
college, but I have taken classes in CADD and done a lot of work with
various graphics programs.  So what I am hoping for is to apply to work as
an intern, or unpaid staff, until I can get some more experience.


Thanks to anyone who posts or sends a reply to this - I appreciate it.


keir buckhurst

kbuckhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu



From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:18:44 GMT
Subject: Re: List of all the Planet of the Apes movies?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies

In rec.arts.sf.movies, lma@dayton.Stanford.EDU (Larry Augustin) writes:

> Several of the Planet of the Apes movies have been showing up on TV
> here recently (also the series on the SciFi channel).  Could someone
> post a list of the movies, along with a one-line description?  Here's
> what I recall:
> 
> 1. Planet of the Apes - Astronaut Taylor (Charlton Heston) crashes on
>    Earth in the far future, only to discover that we nuked ourselves
>    back to the stone age and Apes have taken over.
> 
> 2. Beneath the Planet of the Apes - James Franciscus (??) follows in
>    Charlton Heston's footsteps, and discovers a group of humans living
>    underground that worship an atomic bomb.
> 
> 3. ?? (Journey to the Planet of the Apes??)  - I couldn't find anyone
>    who remembered this one, and I've not seen it.  Somehow we get
>    around the ending of (2), and 2 talking apes return to present day
>    Earth.
	This actually takes off of beneath the planet of apes only in
	reverse.  Just before taylor falls on the ultimate bomb, three
	chimps are able to salvage Hestons spaceship and launch it before
	the earth vaporizes.  They hit the time warp and go back to l972
	earth.  Well, the genius chimp is killed early and the other two
	left run from the military, eventually killed but not after having
	a kid.......yes its ceasar.....who teaches other apes to talk and 
	act in the next movie to come....
> 4. Conquest of the Planet of the Apes - I
>    think this one is where the supposedly dead child (Ceasar) of the
>    talking apes in (3) starts the first rebellion against man.
> 
> 5. Battle for the Planet of the Apes - No idea.
	This was the worst of all 5 movies, it takes off before any atomic
	bombs could have been used since time was change, and history altered.
	major barf a rama in the end when apes and man get along even in bed..

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Larry
>
From: system@memalph.UUCP (Woody Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: sound in space
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:00:19 MST
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shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:

> In article <Bxqsp3.MoH@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) write
> >
> >How many SF films are realistic enough that they show there is no sound
> >in space? All I can think of is 2001.
> There is also - aptly named - "Silent Run". A politically correct movie about
> a space gardner who kills his co-workers to save his plants.
> 

I am here to pick a nit. The movie is titled "Silent Running".
That is all, now back to your deep meaningful discussions...

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From: hora@ecf.toronto.edu (HO ROBERT ANDREW)
Subject: Re: List of all the Planet of the Apes movies?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:35:29 GMT

In article <lma.721978693@dayton.Stanford.EDU> lma@dayton.Stanford.EDU (Larry Augustin) writes:
>Several of the Planet of the Apes movies have been showing up on TV
>here recently (also the series on the SciFi channel).  Could someone
>post a list of the movies, along with a one-line description?  Here's
>what I recall:
>
>1. Planet of the Apes - Astronaut Taylor (Charlton Heston) crashes on
>   Earth in the far future, only to discover that we nuked ourselves
>   back to the stone age and Apes have taken over.
>
>2. Beneath the Planet of the Apes - James Franciscus (??) follows in
>   Charlton Heston's footsteps, and discovers a group of humans living
>   underground that worship an atomic bomb.
>
>3. ?? (Journey to the Planet of the Apes??)  - I couldn't find anyone
>   who remembered this one, and I've not seen it.  Somehow we get
>   around the ending of (2), and 2 talking apes return to present day
>   Earth.
>

This one is _Escape from the Planet of the Apes_.  The two apes that 
befriended Heston in the the first movie (Cornelius and his wife, I think)
return to 20th century earth in Heston's spaceship (they left just before
the "end of the world" at the end of number 2.  Despite the cheesy 
sounding description, this is probably the next best entry in the series
after the original. .

>4. Conquest of the Planet of the Apes - I
>   think this one is where the supposedly dead child (Ceasar) of the
>   talking apes in (3) starts the first rebellion against man.
>
>5. Battle for the Planet of the Apes - No idea.
>

This one is after a world war (I think).  Apes are the dominant species 
but humans are still intelligent.  Caesar is still in control and has to
fight off a band of humans living underneath a ruined city.  We get to
find out whether history will repeat itsellf (i.e. the world will end in
the 40th century just like in the second movie) or whether apes and humans
will learn to live together peacefully. 


>Thanks,
>
>Larry
>


-- 
Robert Ho
Univ. of Toronto
hora@ecf.toronto.edu