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From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: new info on moving cars from U.S. to Germany (TUeV)
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:45:04 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <1992Aug14.023841.14324@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pjd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dotzauer) writes:
> In order to find out what changes need to be made for a car to pass
> the German TUeV inspection, one needs to contact
> 
> TUeV Rheinland of North America, Inc.
> Auto Export Division
> 12 Commerce Rd
> Newton, CT 06470
> 
> For a fee of $ 30, they'll give you binding information about what
> needs to be changed in your car.
> 
> Just send your check, address, type of car, body style (e.g. hatchback),
> and year of manufacture. They'll send you the information immediately,
> they say. If you have a fax number, they can also fax it to you.

I doubt that the German TUeV accepts US checks - do they accept traveller
checks?

> 
> The information they send you can take to a mechanic or shop in the
> U.S., and get the conversions done there. I assume that would be less
> expensive than having it done in Germany.
> 
> The tel. of the place is (203) 426 0888, but they'll tell you the same
> thing as I said above.
> 
> As far as the German TUeV is concerned, you could actually drive a
> car for a year in Germany, with valid U.S. license plates, until you
> have to get it licensed there and take it through the TUeV inspection.
> Of course, you'd need German insurance from the very start (even for
> driving it off the ship) (Haftpflichtversicherung).

Do German insurance companies insure cars with foreign plates, like U.S.
plates?  I don't know and I'm sceptical.  Does anyone out there know
more about this?

> 
> However, the consulate has a different opinion on that, saying that
> one must license the car in Germany as soon as one takes up 'residence'
> there (Wohnsitz). I wonder how they can decide whether I'm just on
> an extended visit or whether I took up residence already. I even
> pressed the consular officer, how soon do I have to do that, the same
> day, the same week, or what. He replied, as soon as you can. Leaves
> a lot of room for interpretation, and is certainly not legally binding.
> Opinions and sarcastic comments welcome :-)
> -- 
> Peter J. Dotzauer - pjd+@osu.edu - pjd+@ohstmail - osu-mps!pjd

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 22 Aug 1992 22:24:23 CDT
From: Irene Marquez <U37533@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I LOVE GERMANY!\
Distribution: world
 <1992Aug17.125918.4792@ecl.psu.edu>

In article <1992Aug17.125918.4792@ecl.psu.edu>, clf@ecl.psu.edu says:

........  stuff deleted  ........
>
>     What are the distinguishing features of the German that you don't look
>like?  Looking Germanic?  Meaning, blonde hair & blue eyes?
>
>     I suspect that the blonde hair & blue eyes is an old stereotype that does
>not describe the average German.  At least that is what I observed during my
>two years in country.
>
     All I meant to say was that I don't think anyone will look at me
     and assume I am german.  I do understand your point, and *maybe*
     I was slightly guilty of stereotyping.

     is that a little bit better?  =)

     irene
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mike Hoffmann)
Subject: Re: living in munich, actually: stereotypical views of women.
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG, AP 712
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 10:49:40 GMT

In article <BsuqJx.1AB@chinet.chi.il.us> harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:
>Too bad prostitution is illegal here (except Nevada).
>I wunder what the divorce rate would be if it were legal?
>What is the divorce rate in Germany?

High. You different numbers depending on who you ask. The judge who divorced
my parents spoke of 50-60%.

> >    IMHO, one thing that makes US and German girls different, is the tendancy
> >    of US girls to play head games in relationships... sigh.
>Oops, another stereotype.

Yes, you're right. I appologize to anyone offended. I was simply too angry
about that nonsense posting to which I responded.

Mike
-- 
Mike Hoffmann, Siemens-Nixdorf AG, SNI AP 712  
INTERNET: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de
"Bosnia has no oil [as opposed to Kuwait]." (unknown citizen of Sarajevo)
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re:Lebzelterei
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

MM>Frage an die Oesterreicher unter und in uns:

MM>was ist eine Lebzelterei? (gesehen beim Oesterreich-Urlaub).

Bin zwar kein Oesterreicher (wuerde es wahrscheinlich auch als
Beleidigung auffassen :-) ), aber ich *glaube* "Lebzelten" sind
Lebkuchen, also ist eine Lebzelterei eine Lebkuchenbaeckerei.

Jeder aus dem nicht-deutschsprechenden Raum, der erklaeren kann, was ein
Lebkuchen ist, bekommt eine Belobigung!

MM>Michael

gruss, Carl

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Die Lassie Singers helfen dir in allen Lebenslagen
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,talk.bizarre
From: rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:52:09 GMT
Organization: 'Be at Peace, and Peace will be with you.'

korschi@goofy.uni-mainz.de (Ralf Korschinsky) writes:
>
>`better looking women` is a question of taste; IMO a good looking woman
>doesn`t need to paint her face& shave her legs etc. for some hours each day.

JUST FOR THE RECORD:  EUROPEAN WOMEN HAVE HAIRY ARMPITS AND LEGS.


>I hope you`re also still knowing of some nasty things the U.S. did,
>also before there was the U.S. 

I HOPE MY ENGLISH IS ALSO STILL IS KNOWN AS GOOD AS YOUR AND KNOW THAT
THE U.S. COULDN'T HAVE DONE SOME NASTY THINGS BEFORE IT EXISTED.


SIEG HAIL.
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____________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: rjwhite@math.uwaterloo.ca (RJ White)
Subject: Re: seeing Schwarzwald
Organization: MFCF
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:54:42 GMT

	I (RJ White) wrote :
	>If a person wanted to see Schwarzwald, what would be the best way?
	>By seeing it, I mean wandering around inside.
	
I'd like to thank the following for giving me such great info on seeing
Schwarzwald.  If anybody wants the results, e-mail me, but I'm leaving 
tomorrow for Germany/Switzerland/Austria for 3 weeks so you'll have to
wait a while for a reply.
(The short answer is: start at Freiburg, and yes there are trains
going into the forest.)

many thanx to ( aplogies if I've missed someone) :
	mq@thp.Uni-Koeln.DE
	dbora@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
	gregn@u.washington.edu
	veit@ameland.unify.Unify.Com (Veit Irtenkauf)
	dominik@perm.geologie.uni-freiburg.de (Dominik Ulmer)
	weyerich@ph1.physik.uni-konstanz.de
	werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
	Uwe Bonnes <bon@LTE.E-TECHNIK.uni-erlangen.de>
	"Lothar Fritsch" <fritsch@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de>
  -rj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: EPV@brownvm.brown.edu (Edward P. Valentini)
Subject: Network in Germany
Organization: Brown University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:10:36 GMT

Hello, I have a technical question concerning the network of computers in
Germany. Please excuse me if this is the wrong place to post such a question.
I was wondering which network most of Germany is on. I am particularly
concerned with uni-rostock.dbp.de (which doesn't seem to be on Internet, or
BITnet), because I will be studying in Rostock this coming academic year, and I
am wondering about accessing my data here from abroad, for instance if it is
possible to transfer files over TCP/IP anyway?
I welcome any information you may have on this subject.  Thanks very much in
advance.
From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:57:22 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <1992Aug17.182645.14834@dragon.acadiau.ca>, alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay) writes:
> harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:
> 
> >I wunder why the stores aren't open later in Germany.
> >It seems that some entrepeneur could make a fortune by opening
> >a store at later hours for those who wanted to shop later.
> >I asked my cousin why the stores aren't open later.
> >She said nobody wants to work odd hours.
> >What, not even to make money?
> 
> My best guess is that the American system is much more geared toward
> creating such an (economically) lower class of people who would jump at
> the chance to get any job, including one at a 7/11 which pays only
> minimum wage (in the States that have one) and forces you to work odd
> hours, while the German system provides better/better paying jobs so
> the people are not forced to take these types of jobs, and thus there
> is no demand for them.
> 
> My girlfriend works at a coffee shop in Germany and makes DM 50 for 3
> hours work.  My friend works at one here in Canada and makes $5 an
> hour.  How much does someone make at Dunkin' Donuts in the US?  Looks
> like the Canadian system is modelled after the American one,
> unfortunately for us (Canadians).
> 

You shouldn't forget that at least the American waiters normally get a
15% tip, so they certainly make much more money from the tips than from
the low base salary.  If you talk to people here, they claim that a
good waiter can make more money than a doctor or a software engineer.
No wonder that so many people with college degrees work as waiters.

-- Veit 


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From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:42:04 GMT
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh
In-reply-to: tim@sinix.UUCP's message of 20 Aug 92 14:07:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.140732.17353@sinix.UUCP> tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell) writes:

   Shopping in Germany sucks bigtime.  Don't ask me about Banks, the Post
   Office, the Telephone Dictatorship...

I don't know about banks in the states but compared to German Banks
the British banks are real crap: You don't get an overdraft very
easily, they charge you a helluvalotofdough if you go over the limit &
let the cheque bounce, they are lots of different cards which only
work on certain autotellers (nothing like EC cards in G.) and direct
debit is almost unheard of, i.e. it is completely normal that you run
around with cheques to pay your rent, etc.

T.

P.S. Nothing against Britain - it is always fun to live in a society
before the invention of taps which mix hot & cold water...

--
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Thorsten Altenkirch		alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk
LFCS, Edinburgh
Scotland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: fichtner@acs.ucalgary.ca (Horst Fichtner)
Subject: Wenn schon, denn schon...
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 03:01:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Im Article 4731 von carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

Nichts fuer ungut Carl:

Letzter Satz in Deinem Article:

 "Mer lasse den Dom in Koelle..."

Wenn schon Dialekt, dann bitte richtig:

 "Mer losse de Dom in Koelle..."       
  
                       

		         Ciao, Horst
                                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:14:31 GMT
Organization: 'Be at Peace, and Peace will be with you.'

carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:
>Very funny indeed. Why would German not fulfill this requirement?
>At least, your girlfriend is supposed to get educated in another
>language than American.

Oh, American is a language?  Apparently you do not speak English.

>That makes her belong to the 0.002% of the
>Americans, who have heard of another language. Seldom met such an
>ignorance about foreign languages as in this country.

The reason for knowing anything is based on need.  I argue that
america is so big that there is seldom a need to deal with foreign
countries.  European countries are the size of USA states, of which we
have 50.  Saying you know about germany is the same as saying you know
california, except we have better looking women and our grandfathers
weren't fascists.


-- 
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Celebrity                   so that we may talk about life.
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:53:19 GMT
	<1992Aug20.173129.14783@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Aug21.124952.8301@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh
In-reply-to: fg@spcklr.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de's message of 21 Aug 92 12:49:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.124952.8301@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> fg@spcklr.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Frank Grieger) writes:

   That's it for the weekend. Zip. Now you are down town. You want to
   buy something. You need money. Forget it! The banks are closed.

What did they do with those nice little slot machines where you could
play the EC game? I knew a number which would (almost) always win...

T.
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Thorsten Altenkirch		alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk
LFCS, Edinburgh
Scotland
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:5611 soc.culture.indian:28061
From: bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: German transit visa: avoid flying thru europe
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:53:34 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <oli.713700255@ernie>, oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:
> brahme@atpg.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
> 
>>So If german transit visa policy bothers you; just stop flying by
>>Lufthansa, as simple as that and petition that air india be privatized.
> 
> Unfortunately not only with Lufthansa people will have to change planes at
> Frankfurt, but this airport seems to be a major turntable of international
> traffic. And having to obtain a transit visa is not the worst trouble I've
> heard from people from 3rd world countries. I've heard that those visa are 
> denied regularly to people from some countries, and that airlines and travel 
> agents do not inform their customers about this practise.
> --
> Heute hack ich, morgen crack ich, uebermorgen hol ich mir dem SysOp sein Login.
> Ach wie gut dass niemand weiss, dass ich oli@math.rwth-aachen.de heiss. 
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  Bhai sahab na jane kya likh kar chale gaye mujhhe to samajhh me nahi aya..
  kisi ko samajhh me aya ho to post kar dena.....
 
o o
 |  ?
 =--U

-always curious.
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I HATE GERMANY
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:08:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <l8nk62INNkh6@west.west.sun.com>, markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Ka
mpe) writes:
>Gee, when I saw this posting I just assumed that someone was trying for
>the second annual "Hassan B Mutlu" award and treated it accordingly ...
>update my kill files and go on with my day.
>
Perhaps this is simply yet another case of someone leaving their terminal
unattended.  Either that or someone with his head up his ass.  We can't be
sure.
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handy - Whenever I see something
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         screech across a room and latch onto a guy's neck,
215-758-0865            and the guy screams and tries to get it off, I have
                        to laugh because, What is that thing?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 19:43:25 GMT

In article <Bt2475.xD@chinet.chi.il.us>, harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:
>  |From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
>  |Subject: Shopping hours (Was: living in munich...more questions)
>  |Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:57:17 GMT
>  |
>  |> >Is there anything liberal in the USA ?
>  |> 	Yes.  Shopping hours at malls and supermarkets.
>  |
>  |Now, finally, we are at *the* topic at all - shopping hours!
> Amen.
> 
>  |And, service here is much better, too.
> I wunder why the stores aren't open later in Germany.
> It seems that some entrepeneur could make a fortune by opening
> a store at later hours for those who wanted to shop later.
> There are no Seven-Elevens no Kwik Picks.

The reason is that shopping hours in Germany are regulated by law.
In general, shops aren't allowed to be opened later than
6:30pm Monday-Wednesday, Friday
8:30pm Thursday
2:00pm Saturdays, except of the first Saturday in a month
4:00pm on the first Saturday of a month during daylight savings time
6:00pm on the first Saturday of a month during normal time

There are a few exceptions (airports, railway stations), but this is
it.  It's most annoying that shops aren't open on Sundays.
 
Veit


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From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:51 PDT
Subject: Re: Dr. = Dr. ?
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug21.132009.3694@magnus.acs:1376596614:cdp:1473000036:000:410
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 22 08:51:00 1992


Via the German embassy in Seoul I (a German) filed in an application to the
"Standesamt Berlin" to register my marriage to my Taiwanese wife. As "Dr."
in Germany is  p a r t  o f  y o u  n a m e,  and my wife had an Ph.D of
the University of Florida, the "authorities" in Germany took some time to
get the Ph.D. checked. We got the marriage certificate after 9 months.

good luck and best regards, Goetz Kluge

Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:5657 alt.visa.us:207
From: dbrus.Unify.Com.veit@unify.uucp (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.visa.us
Subject: Permanent Residence (Was: Moving a car from the U.S to Germany)
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.veit@unify.uucp (Veit Irtenkauf)
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA

In article <pebi.713822204@khamsin.aem.umn.edu>, pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes:

> 
> On the other hand, if you come from Germany on an F1 Visa you still have
> to have your 'permanent residence' or 'Hauptwohnsitz' in Germany. Thus
> every time you go home you are not 'visiting'. I am not sure how that
> is with other types of visa.
> 


Is this true?  I'm here on a L1 visa, but I still have a residence in
Germany just not to loose the right to vote there.  However, I moved
my permanent residence to the US.  According to German laws 
(Einwohnermeldegesetz), your permanent residence has to be where you
stay permanently or the most time of the year.  In my case it's the 
US.

I crosspost this to alt.visas.us, let's see whether I can get some
answers from there.  If yes, I'll post the results here.

-- Veit

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Unify Corporation                              |  voice: (916) 928-6322
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:46:31 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

[no follow-up, since I didn't find an adequate posting to answer too :-)]

Just returning from a 6 week trip through the US... speaking of
shopping hours:

I know that I prefer to live in a country,
 -- where I have no problems finding a pub which is open after 11pm,
 -- where I can have a coffee (btw, a good one, like the Starbuck coffees
    in Portland (OR) or Seattle!) at this time and sit down for a while,
 -- where I must not hurry to go into a restaurant after 9pm (if I
    will be served than anyhow, very often not), or after 10pm, if
    that matters. (Please note, I speak of restaurants -- not of
    junk/fast-food stations.)
 -- where I'm not thrown out after my dinner but can sit down with my
    friends on another bottle of wine for a talk,

etc.

Try to get a coffee on Newbury Street in Boston after 11.30pm,
impossible. (And perhaps that happens to you after you had a totally
dissatisfying dinner at Dan Burry (sp?) -- avoid this restaurant. Go
to Maison Robert... ;-) But at the same time you can buy T shirts en
masse. Same in all other medium to large cities we were (Not to speak
of small towns... :-( ).

I'm happy not having a coffee/wine/<insert your favorite beverage>
here in the late evening. If the price is, that I'm not able to buy T
shirts such late in the evening -- that's worth it.

--
Joachim

PS: Don't take this too seriously. But, as usual, the medal has more
    than one side. And in the last 6 weeks I was too often forced to
go back to the hotel, when I didn't wanted to go to bed then.

PPS: Don't tell me about Cambridge or Faneuill Hall. I know it.
From: MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Transit Visa for germany reqd!
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:49:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

<TAZ@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I called the called the german consulate in San Francisco [...] the racsist,
>stupid govt of Germany requires a transit visa of all third world country
>citizens to just change the flight [...] I think the mininum qualifications
>to get a job in the german consulate seems to be that one has to be
>positively rude!!

Rest assured, the staff at the German consulate in SFO is just as rude to
German nationals.

__________________________________________________________________________
Stephan Somogyi                     generalist                     MacUser
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: kurrer@glasgow.ks.uiuc.edu (Christian Kurrer)
Subject: Re: Need translation: computer terms
Reply-To: kurrer@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:54:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.134352.28191@public.sub.org> peterk@public.sub.org  
(Peter Kittel) writes:
> ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall) writes:
> >wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:
> >> yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt) writes:
> >>
> >> "Meine Harddisk hatte nen Headcrash, aber Gott sei Dank hatte ich sie
> >> upgebackt."
> 
> Wenigstens ist es nicht mit d am Ende geschrieben!
> 
Heisst das nun upgebackt - oder gebackupt? Gut, beim Partizip Perfekt von  
deutschen Verben mit Vorsilben wird das -ge- normalerweise zwischen  
Vorsilbe und Wortstamm gesetzt,
z.B. an-fangen -> an-ge-fangen,
aber handelt es sich bei dem up denn um eine Vorsilbe?
Die Verwirrung ruehrt vielleicht daher, dass deutsche Vorsilben manchmal  
auch dem Wortstamm folgen koennen,
z.B. Ich fange an. 
In gleicher Weise wuerde ich auch "Ich backe up" formen, dennoch ist "up"  
in backup (im Gegensatz zu "an" in anfangen oder "down" in downloaden)  
immer eine Nachsilbe und hat daher am Anfang eines Wortes nichts zu  
suchen.

Korrekte Anwendung deutscher Grammatik auf englische Verben fuehrt also  
zu:
Ich backe up; ich habe gebackupt;
ich loade down; ich habe downgeloadet

("ich downloade" -oder "ich backupe" waeren als Alternative vorstellbar,  
wenn man down und up nicht als Vor- oder Nachsilben behandelt.)

Schoener wird die Sprache dadurch jedoch nicht.

Christian Kurrer
Kommittee zur Reinhaltung der deutschen Buttersprache
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german