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From: johnson@wrs.com (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Stuff...
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:43:16 GMT

pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune) writes:

>Actually, no - I've driven quite a few front wheel drives.  In fact, more than
>I'd care to admit.  You name it - Toyota Corollas, Honda Accords, Civics, and
>Preludes, Chevy Berettas, Pontiac Grand Ams, Nissan Maximas, Acura Legends and
>Integras, CRXs, etc.  Actually, the '82 Accord 4-door I had was one of the
>best of the bunch - I could pitch it hard into a corner, and keep its attitude
>pretty much in shape.  The Beretta (GTZ) and Grand Am have excellent handling
>abilities, also.  I think Mazdas in particular (their 323s, 626s, MX-6s, and
>even pickups) have about the worst suspension systems I've ever had the
>displeasure of working with.

>Besides, big block Camaros do NOT handle very well at all.  They tend to 
>understeer just as bad, if not worse, than some front drivers - unless you
>throttle incredibly heavy.  Small block Camaros from 1970 and on are just
>incredibly adept in the handling department.  In fact, in 1970, the Camaro
>would outhandle any other street car (or so I recall reading some long time
>ago...).

>All of this is not to say that the Camaro is the best car in the world.  It
>is also not to say that all rear drivers are better handling.  Just look at
>the Datsun B-210 and Chevy Chevette...   :-)

Now Paul, do you acually beleive that the B-210 and Chevette are handlers?

I think not!

And how do you define "street car"? 

There were a great many number of superior handling cars in 1970:

The Porsche 911, Corvette, Thunderbird, 240z (first year),add infinitum.

Not trying to flame here, just trying to figure out where your coming from.

>DAVE________________MAY THE G-FORCE BE WITH YOU!___________johnson@yuba.WRS.COM

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From: chapman@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (ralph.s.chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Great American auto insurance
Summary: request for recommendation for or against
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:17:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Apr14.211727.28215
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Does anyone have any recommendation for or against Great American auto
insurance?  Any satisfied policyholders out there?  Any dissatisfied
policyholders?

I want to switch from Hartford insurance, and my agent suggested Great
American as an alternative.  I'm switching mainly for better stability in
premium rates.  (After we slid off the road during an ice storm, which
resulted in $950 damages for which Hartford paid $450, they boosted our
premium by about 60% over the next year and a half.)

--Ralph Chapman
  att!ralph.chapman  or  ralph.chapman@att.com
From: matt@world.std.com (Matt Saucier)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: photo radar
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:57:39 GMT
	<1992Apr8.140022.25710@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<CARL.92Apr9111527@atlantis.Cayman.COM>
Distribution: usa
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA


>If need be, request a jury trial which usually makes it a criminal
>offense and then THEY have to prove it was you.
>-Carl-


Is that really the case?  I mean, it makes it a CRIMINAL offense?!?
Does that mean if I request a jury trial for a speeding offense (a
civil offense, NOT criminal), and I lose the trial, I have a
*CRIMINAL* offense on my head???  Any lawyers out there?

Matt
 


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From: craig@cs.UAlberta.CA (Penner Craig)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: S-10 Problems?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:32:02 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

anlst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Arthur N. Lilley) writes:


>I've been looking at used trucks here, and the nicest one I've found is a '91
>Chevy S-10.  It has an extended cab and a V-6.  Has anyone had any major       
>problems with an S-10?  I've looked at practically all the different brands

I own a 1982 Chevy S-10 (2.8L V6) that I bought about 3
years ago.  In that time I've never had any problems with
it.  The only money spent on it has been for oil changes,
air filters, one set of spark plugs and 4 new tires.  I'd
say that's pretty good for a 10 year old truck (original
engine, by the way).

And it runs beautifully.  Always starts in the winter
(plugged in, but sitting outside); has never left me
stranded, even in the coldest weather.

And here's something interesting:  the guy I bought it from
obviously used it for hauling stuff of some sort, 'cause the
bed is a little dented (over the wheels), and there are a
number of places where the paint has peeled away from the
dents (down to bare metal).  Those spots have been bare as
long as I have owned the truck, and in spite of the fact
that it sits outside all year (rain, snow,...) there is not
a single spot of rust in the bed.  (The only rust is a few
spots along the front of the hood where the paint has been chipped by
rocks, etc. -- nothing major)

So if you can't tell by now:  I love my truck, and I would
certainly recommend buying one (assuming the quality of
S-10s is at least as good today as it was 10 years ago).

Hope that helps you!

Craig
From: admiral.uucp!fsaleem@uunet.uu.net (Farzan Saleem)
Subject: Re: Shipping/Driving a car from New Haven, CT to Seattle, WA
Reply-To: admiral.uucp!fsaleem@uunet.uu.net (Farzan Saleem)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:28:56 GMT

fields-doug@CS.YALE.EDU (Doug Fields) writes:

> I have this large trip to make. I'll be working for the summer in
> Seattle, Washington, and I live here in Connecticut. I'd drive my car
> out there, but there's a problem- it's a compact car, and all the stuff
> I will take won't fit, and I'd really rather not put the 6000+ (two way)
> miles on the car.
> 
> So, I'm looking for cost effective (even if it takes a while) way to
> get me and my car out there. I've basically brainstormed and come up
> with these ideas. I don't know if any of them are available or feasable,
> so I'd like your, the net community, input on these ideas and other
> possibilities.
> 
>   o Put the car on a boat and pick it up at the other end
>   o Put the car on a train, and take the same train
>   o Put the car on a rented trailer and car
>   o Rent one of those flatbeds and drive it
> 
> The second option above is obviously the most attractive, but I don't
> know if it's terribly feasable.
> 
> As I said, any comments and ideas (preferably ones that are possible!)
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Doug
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//
I would contact your A.A.A. office. They can put you in touch with people
who are willing to drive your car (or I guess tow,etc) to certain cities
as long as you pay for the gas plus expenses. This way, the person gets
to go for free, and you get your car for a pretty reasonable price. 
 
Thats how we got our car to Connecticut when we moved from Arizona...
 
L8r,
Farzan.


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From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Recall
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:04:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Martin_Wade_Hartley_&_Hollingsworth

In article <1992Apr16.172915.12754@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>  
gidewall@cps.msu.edu (Kenton C Gidewall) writes:
> This may have been talked about previously, but I wasn't paying any
> attention to it then.
> 
> It seems that Honda is having a recall for some of its older Hondas
> because of the filler pipe rusting through.  This happened to my
> '82 Honda Accord last winter.  The filler pipe rusted through  
allowing
> water and crud to get into my gas tank.  The crud then worked its
> way through the fuel system, the filters, and wrecked the carburetor.
> When all was said and done, it cost me about $1000 to fix it all.
>
	A GAS FILLER PIPE?  GOOD GOD!  When was the last time a gas  
filler pipe rusted out on an American car?  These early 80's Hondas are  
bigger rust buckets than anything ever made in Detroit (with the  
possible exception of the Vega).  It must be true: Hondas are designed  
by mere mortals after all.  
	Just to avoid the flames, we have an 88 Accord (I married its  
owner) and it has been an excellent car.  I just hope that the Honda  
boys have have done a lot of work on rust prevention.

Jim Cavanaugh
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Using the horn
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:18:49 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <9204071012.aa02239@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> davida@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (David Andersen (Yo! that's an E---not an O!) ) writes:

>
>In article <rqa6jINNks6@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori - Information Resources) writes:
>>
>>Here in the New York Virginia (Northern Virginia) area,
>>I have noticed that a person at the head of a line of cars
>>can sit at a red light for 5 or more seconds, after it has
>>changed to green. During this time, nobody will give so much
>>as a toot of the horn, and politely ask that he/she move along.
>
>First of all, there is a certain "horn etiquette" involved here.
>I live in California, the horn-honking capital of the world.
>Allow me to explain:
>
>Laying on the horn, "honnnnk" or "hooonnnnnnnk hoonnnnnnnk" is considered
>rude and aggressive.  It shows that you are in a bigger rush than the
>rest of us nice, honest people.  You wish to put your desire for an extra


   I found another way of getting someones attention is to rev your engine
out to around 5000 rpm. This works especially well if your driving an old 
Alfa Romeo or a harley davidson. Never try this with an automatic though.
-- 

  Drive fast and live long!! 	       The above is worth what you paid for it.
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From: matt@world.std.com (Matt Saucier)
Subject: Re: Using the horn
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:31:40 GMT


Following this thread it seems that some people might not be
considering "protected left-turn" signals.... Where the oncoming
traffic has to wait a few seconds so that people can make left turns.
I don't know about elsewhere, but in Worcester MA, there are many
"protected left-turn" lights... And I've timed some of them.  If I'm
second in line, and the car in front of me waits five seconds, and
we're making left turns, I have *NO* chance at making the turn legally
in one light-cycle.  I generally will give a polite "toot" after
about two seconds... But this doesn't always work anyway...  They look
in their rv-mirror and then look at the light, and by the time they
realise they should go, the oncoming traffic is already moving, and
the left turn light is red... But  since the first car is already in
the intersection, s/he gets to go when the oncoming traffic stops...
And, if I obey the law, I have to wait for that second green.

On a related note, I saw something REALLY odd the other day... On a
local three-lane intersection (three lanes in the direction I was
going, one for left turn, one for thru, and one for thru/right), I
pulled up in the left-turn lane just as it turned red, and the thru
and thru/right lights turned green.  I stopped at the line, and
started waiting for the green... and noticed that the cars on my right
were not moving...  there were people behind them that didn't toot,
and it's possible the people behind them didn't see the green, either.
After about 20 seconds, the light turned red.  I was completely amazed
that TWO people didn't notice the green...  
When the time came for the left-turn lane to turn green, there was no
oncoming traffic, and all the lanes in my direction turned green at
once (protected-left green, thru and thru/right green), and I pulled
out... and as I looked in my rv-mirror, the other cars still hadn't
gone anywhere....  
There were people in the two cars (one older man, in 70's?, and a
40-ish woman in the other: because of the way I was pulled a bit ahead
I could see both drivers...)  and they didn't appear to be having car
trouble, they were not looking around the car, either, they were just
out-to-lunch.

Matt


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From: gdoshi@mipos2.intel.com (Gautam Doshi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: HONDA CIVIC WAGON FOR SALE
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:03:25 GMT
Reply-To: gdoshi@mipos2.UUCP (Gautam Doshi)
Organization: Intel Corp.


****************************************************************************
*    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE       *
****************************************************************************

    Make:   HONDA

    Model:  CIVIC WAGON (5 Dr)

    Year:   1981

    Miles:  96K (just 9.6K/year avg)

    Condtn: - Runs well & gives good mileage (30+mpg).
            - Very roomy & good interior and exterior. 
            - Absolutely, completely reliable.

    Needs:  - Clutch adjustment.

    Frills: - AM/FM radio. 
            - New radial tires.

    Price:  $1475 (Blue book value is $1500-$1900)

    Call:   Gautam Doshi 
            (408)765-4601 or (408)737-0741
            gdoshi@mipos2.intel.com

****************************************************************************
*    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE    SALE       *
****************************************************************************
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid???
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:36:43 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr14.140550.20408@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (
Adrian T Kerr) writes:
>Well where do I start?
>
>Perhaps the title is a bit abusive but from the articles I have read here and e
lsewhere I have not seen anything to suggest the average American has an IQ high
er than your average chimp!

  Well, it's sad to say but this is probably true when it comes to driving;
most U.S. drivers are ignorant of the driving laws and courtesies in this
country, and about as many don't have a basic working knowledge of an
automobile.  I can't tell you how many times I've come to a 4-way stop
and other drivers have not properly given a previously-stopped car the
right-of-way; also it is very common to find drivers going below the speed
limit in the passing lanes on highways.  I could go on but I'd be here the
rest of the day :-)

>
>Where are the statistics that say 55mph is the safest maximum speed a four whee
led vehicle can travel at? In Britain the maximum allowable speed on motorways i
s 70mph and this is woefully slow! In Germany there is a recommended speed limit
 of 80mph but if the conditions permit then it is lawful to travel at any speed
your vihicle is capable of. In a recent article in a European motoring magazine
a Lambourghini Diamblo was driven legally at 204mph on a German autobhan.To be honest I don't need to be able to
>
  The 55 law in the U.S. was passed also for energy conservation reasons
as well.  And unlike Europe, anyone in the U.S. who is 16 years of age or
older can apply for a license to drive with relatively little cost as long
as they can pass a very basic (and certainly not very comprehensive)
driving exam.  What this means is that the U.S. has a lot more immature
drivers on the road than the U.K. does.

  Recently, a federal law raised the limit to 65 on rural roads and
highways, but I agree that the majority of speed limits are set too low
in this country and do not affect safety one way or another- they are
revenue-generators for both local police and insurance agencies.  This is
supported a recent Federal research team's conclusions (published in
Car and Driver).

  Doug
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Best Dashboard; Most quiet ride; Nominations?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 08:44:54 GMT

In article <3793@wet.UUCP> butch@wet.UUCP (Butch Katigbak) writes:
>
>I am changing my car and would appreciate recommendations from the net
>on which cars excite them most in terms of 
>
>Dashboard Design and a quiet ride.

dashboard design?


is this a joke?
as for quiet, try an S-class mercedes if you've got the dough.
From: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: photo radar
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:22:06 GMT
Reply-To: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Originator: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com

In article <123520003@hpindda.cup.hp.com> charlie@hpindda.cup.hp.com
   (Charlie Cho) writes:
[ re: photo radar ]
>Yup, they get the front and the rear.  Otherwise, they would have taken
>a nice picture of my front bumper with no one to send the ticket to since
>I have no front plates.  They keep the picture though, as evidence they
>claim.  You can go down to the station to see the photo if you'd like.

hang on a minute!  you mean they don't even send _you_ the photo?!
so you get a ticket completely out of the blue, not only without the
opportunity to comfront your "accuser", but with no evidence (the photo)
to back up the ticket?
From: Dean_Fraser@mindlink.bc.ca (Dean Fraser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Jump-starting 91-92 GM cars
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:59:33 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

        I work with an auto transport company, that delivers new and used cars
to dealerships, rent-a-car places, etc.  Every week we deliver cars from a
dealer auction (Vancouver Auto Auction), and almost every week we have a
factory sale (rent-a-car sellbacks to GM, Chrysler, Ford, that are then bought
by their respective dealerships, for resale to the general public).  We just
finished a GM factory sale today.  Many of the cars have been in storage
(sitting on the auction property) for a time, and many of the cars require
jumps.  Now, one of the auction's executives was talking to a GM rep, asking
how to keep some of the cars running after jumping them, as some tend to die
after the cables are taken off.  He told the auction exec that you should (1)
Press on the brake when boosting, as this sets up a proper load, and makes the
alternator put out more juice, and (2), after jumping , run the emergency
flashers on, as this again , calls the alternator to put out more juice.  I can
sort of understand the brake pedal scenario  (I thought it might be like the 91
T-Birds, that required that you step on the brake, to complete the start
circuit), but the emergency flasher thing seems kind of funny.  I checked the
manuel on a 91 Pontiac Sunbird; it says that all unnecessary lights should be
off when jumping.  The auction drivers that drive the cars through the auction
block are running a lot of these jumped cars with their 4-ways on.  Would there
be any GM knowledgeable person who could clarify this?  Thank you.

Dean Fraser
Vancouver, B.C., Canada.
From: ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: want more power
Keywords: 4992
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:58:46 GMT
Reply-To: ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood)

To coin a phrase : "How fast you wanna go depends on how much you wanna spend"

 

$0.02
Ericy
From: barry@geovision.gvc.com (Barry Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: japanese vs N.A. cars
Summary: lets try it again
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:26:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

I posted a message on Sunday in which I reported the results of buying
a new car.  I mentioned that the N.A. car makers were outdated.  What I
meant to say was that after looking at the N.A. cars I was generally
unimpressed with the overal design.  I feel that they have not changed the
cas very much from when I used to work on them.  They have the same look and
feel of the early eighties.  I am impressed with the new line of engines
that they are producing, enen though most of them have been designed by
other people(i.e. Yamaha designed one of Ford's new V6s).  Anyways that is
about it for now.

later
Barry

P.S.  Let me know your options wither way....
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From: tsang@cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang)
Subject: Re: Datsun 2000 (Was Re: Fabulous New RX7)
Followup-To: british-cars@hoosier.utah.edu
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 11:28:21 GMT

In article <> dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen) writes:
>In article <> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes:
>>Don't forget the Datsun 2000 roadster. [stuff deleted]
>
>I knew someone who had one of these little rockets. It was definitely a
>killer of just about everything back then. They just don't make cars
>like that anymore. The Renault 5 was about as close as anyone has come
>in the last ten years, but even then, to think that the 2000 came from
>Japan in the late Sixties!

Japan?  Don't you mean Great Britain?  :)

(most of the parts were direct from the UK, or copied, as I understand it)

Don't forget the other British sports greats of the 60's...  the
Spitfire, the MGB, the TR4 and TR6, the A/C Cobra, the Sunbeam
Tiger, ... Jaguar X-- err, I mean, E-types, ...

Okay, so they weren't all priced at $2995.  Still...

[subliminal plug: subscribe to the British Cars mailing list!
 Send mail to: british-cars-request@hoosier.utah.edu]

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