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From: Wayne.Briggs@p3.f26.n392.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Briggs)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: WHEN PLACARDS TRAVEL
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:13:23 GMT
Reply-To: Wayne.Briggs@p3.f26.n392.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:392/26.3 - Star Express, Abilene Tx

Index Number: 23253

Sure!
There usually is no loss or addition of physical function when crossing state lines!

The only think is that people know you are from another state.

I went to usuing car plates rather than the card on my daash. That
way, with dualk plates, no one thinks I'm paring in the wrong spot.
Also, truckers may be more likely to call the police if you have a
call police sun shield in your back window & they see handicaped
plates.

Got my daughter a cellular phone when she srtarted college for
protection on dates or if she has car trouble when traveling to
other places with friends.  They are too expensive to use
regularly; but I borrow it when going out o town in case of car
trouble or I need medical help.

What state are you from ?

Some crud got into my rental car to steal my permanately handicaped card!

Vixen is a nice name that commubnicates an intelligent, attratice, friendly person.

Good luck.

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From: Martin.Van-Beek@f138.n249.z1.fidonet.org (Martin Van-Beek)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Wheel Chair carrier
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:11:33 GMT
Reply-To: Martin.Van-Beek@f138.n249.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:249/138 - Challenged I, Kingston ON

Index Number: 23247

Hi All:

Recently I seen an add on an American channel selling a wheel chair
carrier.  It was being sold by Sears.  It is supposed to fit on
your back bumper and allow you to attach your chair onto the back
of the car like a bicycle rack.  This is ideal because you then can
use your trunk or back seat for other things.  I phoned Sears here
(Kingston Canada) and they don't carry it.  I phoned some local
wheel chair retailers and the best I could find was a 500.00
attachment.  That was too expensive for me especially when you need
a trialer hitch (another 250).

I was wondering if someone in NY state or any other state could
phone their local Sears.  And get info on their gadget.  Like how
it attaches to bumper?  Can you attach it your self?  How much does
it cost? Does it fit any North American car?  And would the Sears
store in Watertown carry it or must you order it?

I would phone Watertown myself but I can't afford the LD call.
Even if I could it is such a small store that they probably
wouldn't know what I am talking about.

It to bad I caught the add just near the end and haven't seen it
again.  I think I was on a Syracuse Station.

Excuse this my ramblings but I have a hard time putting things to print.

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From: 34AEJ7D%CMUVM.BITNET@VM1.nodak.edu (Bill Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Up to my keester in cats!
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:55:09 GMT
Reply-To: 34AEJ7D%CMUVM.BITNET@VM1.nodak.edu (Bill Gorman)

Index Number: 23228

Anybody want a calico cat? How about a kitten?

I have  recently rescued an  abandoned, pregnant  calico on a
temporary basis until a home can  be found for it... or homes for
*them*,  as the case may be.  This  has brought  about  the
founding of  an  electronic Feline  Underground Railroad  (FUR),
using  the  net  to  try  to  place  abandoned  pets  facing
destruction. We  hope to "pass  along" a  pet when and  as we can,
if someone wants it,  until it arrives at  its new home. Most  of
this happens on  my Cat Fanciers' Discussion List <FELINE-L@PCCVM>,
but I thought I'd share the wealth (or in this case the cat) with
friends on L-HCAP.

Sez me,

W. K. (Bill) Gorman

Station #1, Feline Underground Railroad (FUR)
From: Ann.Thomas@f6.n290.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Thomas)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Topic suggestion
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:39:59 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Thomas@f6.n290.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:290/6 - Karma *VS* Dogma, Des Moines IA
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference

Index Number: 23283

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

WB>> Would you please
  >>send me the cost of an ineffective & inadequate artificial arm
  >>as you were  unwilling to recommend, send or provide a
  >>medically necessary & more useful myo-electric arm."

 BB> Wayne,

 BB>       I have seen several of your messages where you claim that
 BB>       a Myoelectric arm is medically necessary and more useful
 BB>  than a body powered prosthesis.

 BB>       Would you present some evidence that this is true?
 BB>  Explain please, why bilateral arm amputees who must actually
 BB>  function with their prostheses always do so with hooks?  The
 BB>  main benefits of myoelectrics is enjoyed by the bank accounts
 BB>  of those who are selling them.

Hi Bill.
        Give my best to Joyce.

        I have to agree with you.  Except for a book put out by a
        prosthetics place, which is obviously designed to sell more of
        their limbs, I have never seen a bi-lateral who had fuction with
        the limbs who used the cosmetic stuff.  There have been a couple
        of bi-lateral shoulders who used the electrics to move the
        elbows, but used hooks.

        I am getting better at doing things without the hooks, and I am
        kind of starting to understand why I was so rock headed against
        the way Joyce does her tasks.  I susspet that it would have
        meant looking at my stumps all of the time.  I thought they were
        ugly and must be hidden.  Part of the insanity that had me off
        the echo for 7 weeks.

        That has gotten batter to the point that I am going to the beach
        tommarrow, and the arms will be in the car, but I am not wearing
        them to and from the beach.  If they are needed I have them and
        a top to put on.  I do not know about you but this feels like
        real progress.  [I guess I am talking to Joyce in part of this].

'Here's hooking at ya, babe.'  Anna

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From: Wayne.Briggs@p3.f26.n392.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Briggs)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: ADA Violation
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:15:21 GMT
Reply-To: Wayne.Briggs@p3.f26.n392.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:392/26.3 - Star Express, Abilene Tx

Index Number: 23260

What about asking the DOJ ADA Hotline folks if they would please
call the office supervisor directly with perhaps you on a 3 way
conference call ?

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From: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Screen review software for pc Unix system?
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:58:55 GMT
Reply-To: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23242

Maybe I am misunderstanding the problem.  The Sun work station
should have no trouble in providing a remote connection.  What is
needed is a modem connected to one of the serial ports so as to
support a dial-up serial connection.  The home computer need only
be outfitted with a speech synthesizer, screen-reading program,
telecommunications program, and modem to make it ready to connect
with the work system or any other system.  My favorite
telecommunications program is "Kermit" because the terminal
emulator is so good and it is also free, but "Procomm" will also
work.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ   Stillwater, OK
O.S.U. Computer Center Data Communications Group
From: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Warning!  Beware of Vendor
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:57:41 GMT
Reply-To: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23386

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

While in Phoenix I had a most unpleasant and repulsive experience with a
company called BAUM USA, a company originating in Germany.  The
president of this so-called "Company," I don't have his name, had a
$15,000 laptop computer there.  That's right, this laptop costs fifteen
thousand dollars.  Like the Eureka, it has a braille keyboard, rather
than a qwerty one, although you can supposedly plug one in.  It has a 40
cell braille display, as well as it's one synthesizer and built-in
screen reader.  How good are they?  Don't ask me.  Now I'm not
quibbling with the price so much, though it's grosely inflated, but
rather, I want to relate my experience with this German dude.  Steve
Richards and I have worked together in creating a list of a few hundred
words which we find both amusing and useful to run through various
synthesizers.  Both Larry Skutchan and the reps from HumanWare can
varify this.  Anyway,Keep in mind that is just a little ASCII file of
words and I was going to type it to the screen.  Anyway, I said "Gee,
wonder how a synthesizer in a fifteen thousand dollar laptop will say my
list," which, I incidently call, "Cannot.say."  And oh yes, the name of
this little pricy gismo is "DAvid," Not "DAvid Andrews," to my
knowledge, but just DAvid.  Okay?  So here I am preparing to insert my
disk when the guys says, No, you can't put disk in,"  I nearly had heart
failure, but quickly composed myself and said, "Why not?"  He said,
"Might get virus."  I then explained to him about my ASCII file but all
to no avail.  So upon leaving the booth I told him what he could do with
dAvid.  And I won't say it here.  Suffice it to say, or maybe ask, just
who are these Arigant So And Soe's who come here to the US, try to sell
something at only god knows hundreds of times its worth, and yes
Virginia, you can give us your fifteen grand, but no, Virginia, we won't
let you run any of your software.  You'll have plenty of time to do that
after you've payed for DAvid and taken him home, he'll work admirably,
trust us.  BAUM had better go back to Germany and do their homework.
And so that everyone knows about this company here's their vitals,
BAUM USA AccessAbility Technologies, Inc. 17525 Ventura Boulevard,
Suite 303, Encino, CA  91316-3843 Phone "Though why anybody'd want
to is beond me," 818 981-2253 Keith Bucher. See next message.

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From: Stew.Bowden@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Stew Bowden)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: braille and spelling
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:36:08 GMT
Reply-To: Stew.Bowden@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23184

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Kelley: the same thing happened to me when I had to take
spelling tests in Braille in elementary school. Had to write the
words in grade 1 braille which seemed unnatural. Funny thing, when
I got to secondary school, the teachers no longer cared and I wrote
everything in grade 2. O well, guess some teachers just weren't
consistent. Take care. Stew

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From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: trivia question again.
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:42:38 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23291

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

You say it would be easy to change the user interface on Vocal-eyes
to accept a three number digit.  Wouldn't a person need that if
they were to have their system in one of the new VGA modes? On the
other hand would we be able to get speech if it went into a mode
that had the wider screen of say 130 characters per line?  Wouldn't
that be a graphics mode that speech would not be able to handle?

This is one that has confused me for a long time.  Hope you can
clear up my confusion on this!!

        D. T.

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From: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Alfaro)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Watch
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:39:48 GMT
Reply-To: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/8 - The Catwalk BBS, Davie FL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23466

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 BM> What's this new radio shack talking watch you guys are talking
 BM> about? I used to have one of radio shack's older ones but was
 BM> forever going to get new batteries for it? It frequently arcked
 BM> after I had owned it about six months.  Other than that it was
 BM> a neat thing to have.  Have some of these things been improved

Brenda,

I haven't had the watch long enough to say whether the battery life has
improved or not, but I have a feeling it has.  It now only uses one
larger battery hwhere it used 2 or 3 before as I reacll.  Inaddition,
the watch is now manufactured by Cassio for radio shack.  The older
model was made by either shack themselves or some other no-name outfit.
I had the same experience as you did with the older model.  Not only did
their batteries run out quickly, but they were also very touchy and many
times stopped working for some other reason other than the batteries.  I
wen through about 4 or 5 of the older models.  This time  I decided to
not take any chances and purchased along with the watch an extended 3
year guarantee.  The guarantee was an additional $12, but offers full
replacement for 3 years, no mater how many times the watch might poop
out.  Add the $12 to the price of the watch, $49, and you come up with a
total of about $61 plus tax.  That isn't bad at all considering that
most decent talking watches cost much more than that, and aren't as easy
to use as the new radio shack watch is.  Hope this answers your
questions...
Regards,
Rick

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From: rdietz@nyx.cs.du.edu (Randy Dietz)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Lever-driven wheelchairs?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:23:56 GMT
Reply-To: rdietz@nyx.cs.du.edu (Randy Dietz)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23361

A few years ago I saw a lever-driven wheelchair in the new products
section of a magazine and corresponded with the inventor (in Boston
I think).  He was trying to find a company to manufacture it and
couldn't give me any details on the drive mechanism because the patent
was pending.  A lever-driven wc would have several advantages  over
the standard wc propelled by the wheel rims.  Less grip strength is
needed, less coordination needed to  pinch and release the rim, I
could use my biceps to pull the levers back to propel the wc forward
rather than using my weaker tricep and shoulder muscles, and it would
be easier than moving my arm to catch quad pegs on a wheel rim.  Are
there any companies that build these?  Or plans for building one?  Or
something that uses a similar mechanism that could be adapted to a wc?
Or a homegrown solution?  I currently use an electric wc and would like
the lever-driven model to use for exercise and maybe use it full time
depending on how well it worked..
From: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Acb/Nfb Feud
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:48:54 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.18 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23195

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 WF> (3) The Louisiana Council of the Blind is the ACB affiliate. Its
 WF> membership is older and goes all the way back to the ACB/NFB civil war
 WF> days.

Warren, we don't go back to the days of the NFB as far as the
Louisiana councel goes.  We all stayed out of any national group
for about twelve or thirteen years before forming the LCB.  Also
LCB, and NFB do work together on legislation locally.

Walter

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From: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: ADA Violation
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:12:12 GMT
Reply-To: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)

Index Number: 23352

On  7/24/92 Mark Reynolds <Mark.Reynolds@f123.n202.z1.fidonet.org> said:
>...
>Isn't driving a PRIVILEDGE in every state?  I didn't think anyone
>had a RIGHT to drive, without passing ALL the rules of each state.

This may have been the case 75 years ago - not today. Driving, the
highway system, and eventually the society that requires their use
to live, were allowed to "just grow" in the USA without regard for
the needs of ALL the citizens. Whining that "it's a priviledge" is
just a cop-out to government disinformation aimed at keeping segments of
the populace unaware of their rights. Most state's driving laws are
a set of country-club style rules established by TABs for the exclusive
benefit of TABs. The situation is no different in that respect
than it was when similar laws doled out voting and property rights
on the basis of race or sex.

Consider what the highway and driving license system would be like
if it were just being established today - subject to all the ADA,
Section 504 and other civil-rights legislation now on the books. It
would be made accessible to, and accomodating of, everyone that
could be accomodated.  If special equipment were necessary, that
would be no big deal, not the rip-off, jump-through-the-hoop circus
it is today. Courts are beginning to acknowledge this fact of life
in decisions restricting any state's right to arbitrarily set
standards for anything, including driving, that are based on
administrative supposition (handicapped people can't do ...
whatever) instead of facts derived from careful study and
research.  Even the system of Handi-Bus transit available in some
areas is nothing more than a reincarnation of the old "Separate but
Equal" lie under which the Black community labored for decades.
They never got anywhere by saying "Please, massuh" and neither will
we, though some of us try.

>In California, anyone who suffers a single fainting spell loses
>their license.  Is that violating their "rights" under ADA?

Of course it is! At least, it is if stated in the terms you have used.
If this really *were* true, anyone who ever had a case of SUNSTROKE
would lose their license. I think your reading of the law is seriously
flawed.

Sez me,

W. K. (Bill) Gorman
From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Discover versus discover 386.
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:55:24 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23203

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

The discover software and Discover 386 software are considerably
different.  I am not conpletely sure whether or not the ICR card
you are using will work with the Discover 386 software or not, but
have gotten the impression from the Kurzweil dealor I have talked
to that it does not.  It is my impression that the Discover 386
software does not depend upon the ICR card and that decause it
doesn't that it would be necessary to buy a scanner interface card
for the scanner.  You will also want to check with Xerox as to
whether or not the Discover 386 software will support your
scanner.  I own the PC KPR model 25 and Discover 386 does not
support that scanner.  So, that is not a viable option for me, even
though it is my understanding that the Discover 386 software may
actually be considerably better in many respects than the Kurzweil
2.0 or Discover software packages.  By the way, Perhaps you can
answer a question for me.  I have not been able to get the Discover
software to use the flatbed scanner. It seems that it only wants to
work with the document feeder.  Any idea what I might be doing
wrong?
D. T.

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From: ldonovan@u.washington.edu (Leslie Donovan)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: ADA Violation
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:20:37 GMT
Reply-To: ldonovan@u.washington.edu (Leslie Donovan)

Index Number: 23231

Thanks to all who have responded to my posting about my problems
with my driver's license/possible ADA violations.  Right now, I
have consulted with the Student Legal Aid Office at my university.
This happened after I checked with both the DOL (Dept. of
Licensing) office that has given me the trouble and with the main
state office in the capital.  Legal Aid is going to research it for
me and let me know.  In the meantime I'm going to go ahead and take
the Road Test on Friday as scheduled.  I'll let you all know what
happens with all of this.

Leslie
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From: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Swelling
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:59:44 GMT
Reply-To: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23244

On  7/23/92 you said:
>
>Tonight, I'm sitting at the computer, corresponding with a friend
>here in Montgomery.  My legs and feet start feeling very tight.  I
>roll back my chair, and look at them.
>
>The feet are swollen almost twice their normal size and my legs
>appear to be swollen also.  When I get up to go into the living
>room to rest and get my legs and feet up, it's very difficult to
>walk.
[portion of quote deleted]
>Anyone else experience this?  Remember, my problem is failed back
>surgeries, and chronic pain.

Yes, I experience this, although not as intensely as you describe.
I do have lower back problems, but didn't know it might be related
to that!

Sez me,

W. K. (Bill) Gorman