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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Subject: Re: QL is bogus!
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:00:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.111227.13169@openage.openage.com> ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host) writes:
>larne@canetoad.UUCP (Larne Pekowsky) writes:
>
>>It has also been speculated that his body goes through some kind of
>>recovery while in limbo, and any damage would be undone.  It's even
>>possible (although as far as I know I'm the first to suggest this)
>>that the leap process restores Sam's physical condition to the exact
>>state he was in when he first leapt.  This would not only heal
>>him of anything and take care of exhaustion, but would also mean
>>that he's not aging during all this.
>
>In that case he would lose any benefits of any skills he
>learned in a leap as well.  For example when he was a boxer
>for the church he spent a lot of time training and generally
>getting in better shape.  If he was restored to the exact
>state he started then he would lose this conditioning.
>
>And lets not talk about aging - obviously Scott ages so Sam will age
>at approximently the same rate. :)

<grin> Seriously though, referring back to "Genesis" again, there's
a bit of dialogue during the lockerroom scene in the baseball leap
that goes [from memory; no real major spoilers or anything]:

Sam: "So I could be bouncing around in time forever."

Al: "No. Nobody lives forever."

Now, assuming that Al wasn't joking (which is, of course, entirely
possible), this seems to indicate that Sam does, in fact, age over
the course of his leaps. Whether he ages or not during between-leaps
times is another matter...

Perhaps the between-leaps state only heals him, without restoring
him *completely* to the exact physical state he was in when he
first leaped (i.e., it restores him to the same *level* of health,
w.r.t. his age).


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
				"Through time to times anon,
				And leaping from place to place
				Over oblivion."
					--Thomas Hardy, "Moments
					  of Vision"
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Prisoner
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:36:07 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.tv
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

ngp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Neil Grant Piggot) writes:

>Can anyone please tell me what the white spheres which act as guards in the
>TV series "The Prisoner" starring Patrick McGoohan are called?
>Thanks in advance, please e-mail me the answer.

Rover.

See "alt.tv.prisoner".

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: QL: NOwhere to Run (Possible Spoilers)
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.193442.16271@u.washington.edu>, il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
>> >Possible minor spoilers...
>
>
[cut]
>
>Remember the beauty
>contest episode?  I thought it was fairly clear then that Al saw Sam
>as Sam and not the leapee.
>
Are you sure (making no statments because I know I'm notoriously non-
observant) this isn't just that Al had stopped making an issue of his
best friend looking like a "tomato" ?
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From: barker@dmpe.csiro.au ( David Barker)
Subject: Quantum Leap: THE NOVEL (s)  Author and titles??
Organization: CSIRO. Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:42:07 GMT

Does anyone have the author and titles of all the Quantum Leap Books.
They are difficult to locate without the author.

Thanks in advance...

David Barker
<barker@dmpe.csiro.au>
From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Re: QL: Al and Sam... and cutting too
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:15:57 GMT

On tonight's USA episode of QL "All Americans" Al was explaining just
how close friends the two boys were, and Al said something like "They're
really close, just like us" and from that Sam knew that his leepee(?)
couldn't go to college without his friend. So, Sam and Al are a lot
closer than people think, and they've been friends for an awfully long
time.

On another subject, I'm wondering why USA doesn't cut lines I wont miss.
I was excited to see Catch a Falling Star, just so i could see that bit
of character development betwene Sam and Al, where Al tells that they
were inspired to finish PQL by the "Impossible Dream" song. They cut it!
i think Janine Turner (Dulcinea) had plenty of silly dialogue that could
have been cut and I wouldn't have noticed a difference. Same thing in
What Price Gloria. Sheesh. Is someone keeping a list or the cuts? :)

jam 
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Austin, Texas | guppy@wixer.catus.org
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From: finifter@remus.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: This weeks episode was *not* a smart idea.
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:21:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


>I was *very* disappointed.  Sam was able to overcome the abilities
>of someone he was leaped into.  This can't happen.  If he is a 
>parapeligic then he is a parapeligic.  He's always had to adapt
>to the abilities of the person that he was in and work within those
>constraints.  I was *not* happy.  Maybe I'm wrong on this fact but
>I didn't think he was able to do stuff like that.


Sam is not the one disabled and he has none of the disabilities of anyone
he leaps into.  He was not blind when he leapt into a blind pianist, he
was not retarded when he leapt into Jimmy, and he has legs when he leaps
into Robert Miller.  It's Sam's body that leaps, and people around him
only see the aura of the person he leaped into.  Accordingly, if Miller
looked into a mirror when he was in the waiting room, he would have seen
Sam, with legs, but he would be unable to walk because heid not have legs.

(Oh, by the way, Robert Miller was not a paraplegic, he didn't have legs.
There's a big difference.  Miller's roomate in the hospital was a
quadriplegic, a spinal injury caused him to have no control over anything
below his neck.  A paraplegic has no control over his body below his waist,
also due to a spinal injury)

Tracy
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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Subject: Re: QL: NOwhere to Run (Possible Spoilers)
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:28:19 GMT

baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
> il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
> >> >Possible minor spoilers...

> >Remember the beauty
> >contest episode?  I thought it was fairly clear then that Al saw Sam
> >as Sam and not the leapee.
> >
> Are you sure (making no statments because I know I'm notoriously non-
> observant) this isn't just that Al had stopped making an issue of his
> best friend looking like a "tomato" ?

Didn't Al say something like, "let me guess.  <I forget the name> on
steroids, right?"

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | What is "Martinizing",
Computer Facilities Manager             |  and why does it
University of Washington, Tacoma        |   take one hour?
iho@cac.washington.edu                  | 
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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Subject: QL: "Nowhere to Run": observations
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:17:38 GMT


Another great episode. *SPOILERS* and observations below:































I wound up watching this episode last night with a bunch of people,
and as often happens in such cases, there were quite a few
interruptions and missed lines (not to mention fuzzy reception,
through of course that wasn't one of the consequences :-) ; I'll
have to go back and watch it again, but I'd a couple of comments to
make...

I'm not quite sure why Sam had to deal with the the leapee and
"his" wife's situation in the first place. If, in the original
history, the leapee and his wife had three sons already, why was
Sam there to "correct" that situation? My only conclusion is that
having necessarily leaped in during those crucial first days (in
order to save the other vet's life), Sam possibly changed history
so that "his" wife *didn't* stay with him. Or had the mother been
Kiki all along? Did I miss something (possibly)?

Kiki was bright and friendly, although it sort of bothered me that
she was trying (and not very subtly) to seduce a married man. 

Al's speech about the Wall...incredible.

I wonder how the situation back in the Waiting Room was handled?
It doesn't seem possible that Al could know, just by looking in the
WR, the condition of the leapee; the leapee would have to say
something, at least, to indicate what he was feeling (surely they
didn't keep him in the room with the mirror?). It seems things have
changed so that now Al sees Sam and the leapee as themselves
(perhaps due to consequences of the simo-leap?). 

Sam's revenge against the orderly was wonderful, as was the
orderly's expression when he saw the mirror image :-)

When it was revealed that the leapee's wife left him because she
had found another man, I kept waiting for some reference to Al's
situation with Beth. Or maybe that would have opened up a whole new
can of worms...

Next episode: Talk about creepy leap-ins. But pre-empted again?!?


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
				Leapers do it with...mirrors.
From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: Mini-Encounters
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:57:50 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Ellen G. Cohn writes:
>>I've been getting a real kick out of the mini-encounters that are tossed
>>into some of the episodes.  
  
[Newton Loui's list deleted for space]

Actually, my favorite mini-encounter occurred in the comic book series.
Sam is in a fight, does his spinning kick to knock the guy out (Does Sam
have a black belt or something?) and a small boy who saw the whole thing
says "Wow! Mom, I wanna be able to do that when I grow up!"  The exasperated
mother replies, "Steven Siegel, you come here right this instant." ;-)

For those who don't recognize the name, he's an actor who does a lot of
"Martial Arts and Guns" movies, _Above the Law_, etc.     -- David

Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029
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From: cgregory@ziggy.cs.uiuc.edu (Christine Gregory)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Al's skills
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:44:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunb10.1992Oct16.164438.11527
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Oct16.025546.15305@openage.openage.com> ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host) writes:
" 
" Look at some of skills that Al had that Sam needed:
" 
" Singing

*snicker*  I'll give you the rest of them, but Al (I don't know about Dean)
couldn't carry a tune in a bucket!  :-)  (I can think of 3 "good" examples
off the top of my head..)

" Except for Ancient Languages and Medicine Al seemed to have most of
" the skills necessary for the situations Sam has been in

Yes, but the *one* time Al leaped, Sam had to leap in to save his butt.
I think it really takes *both* of them...

" Plus Sam's skills would much better at fixing Zyggy and explaining
" the reasons the quantom string theorem and why Al would have to do
" the job to leap.

Sam's probably *too* good -- he'd probably figure out how to get Al
back home & end the show.  :-)
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From: arkhive@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Ailsa Jenkins)
Subject: Covington Cross 
Distribution: world
Organization: QLA - Quantum Leap Anonymous
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:49:03 +0000


In article <Bvo4H1.8vo@apollo.hp.com> @apollo.HP.COM writes:

> 
> I must admit that I have only seen 2 episodes of the show. However, I think
> it has a lot of potential. The concept is good. But the writing needs some>  work.
> I must admit that last Sat's show was hysterical (IMHO) 
> 
> Hopefully, the writers will learn a little more about the period.
> 
>         --Jennifer
>         jlevine@apollo.hp.com
> 
> 
____________________________________________________________________
Ailsa R Jenkins (arkhive@apusapus.demon.co.uk)
134 Frankland Road, Croxley Green, RICKMANSWORTH, Herts, WD3 3AU, UK

`I got me a mirror, and looked at my face and said, "Ain't life a bitch."'
    Ted Klausterman in "3 Guys Naked from the Waist Down"

 Gun till do cheum, as gach cearn, fo rionnag-iuil an dachaidh.
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL is bogus! (Maybe, but not for that reason)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:38:45 GMT
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible

mshaw@uiuc.edu (Mark Shaw) writes:

>How come Sam never feels the effects of what he was feeling or doing from
>one leap to the next?  For example, at the end of one emotionally trying
>leap, he can instantly recover when he leaps into someone new.  And when
>he's running a lot or getting beat up, why isn't he tired in the next
>leap?  What happens when he leaps at the end of a day into the morning
>and has to stay awake for another 12 hours or so?  - doesn't he get tired?

Maybe...  Except for the Oswald episode, however, we _don't see_ all
of Sam's leaps...  That's been shown a few times, when Sam and Al
discuss leaps which haven't been the focus of shows... :)

>The fact that Sam's awareness is discontinuous between leaps is bogus...

We don't know that it is...  It is between leaps that we've seen, but
that isn't all of them...

	-=Alan
From: ANTHONYS@ucrvm2.BITNET ("Anthony R. Sanchez")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #525
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:12:01 GMT


    I do agree about the effects that Sam's actions could cause in the present
timeline.  The smallest deviation would cause a ripple effect altering all
related actions after that.  But I don't think the writters should adhere to
this strict law:  Eventually Al, and the whole proyect, even himself,would
end up changing...a definite no no.

    I've come to the conclusion that rationalizing time travel is impossible,
you always end up contradicting yourself at one point or another.

                      Anthony.
From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL: Prememption
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:39:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



QL is getting preempted next week.  Damn politicians have decided
to have a debate.  I hate election time.  First we have to deal
with all those stupid commercials, now we have to deal with this.
It's not local, BTW, it's an NBC decision.  They'll be putting
Reasonable Doubts on at 8:30.
-- 
             Beth Hlabse    eah4@po.CWRU.Edu     Assistant Sysop
                The Science Fiction and Fantasy Sig (GO SCIFI)
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From: kaurs@next09wor.wam.umd.edu (Sharanjit Kaur)
Subject: Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy on Sci-Fi Channel?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:23:38 GMT



Is the Sci Fi channel planning to show The Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy?  
I know they're intending to have it because it was one of the shows  
mentioned on that scroll they used for promoting the channel; but it  
doesn't seem to be a part of their current programming - later this year  
perhaps? In any case, I can't wait - I must have it NOW!


-S. Kaur, a very impatient fan.
kaurs@wam.umd.edu
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Another question on War of the Worlds
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:39:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:

>I hope this one is simple.

>How many seasons di the show last?  I say 2, but my friends swear up and 
>down that it was 3?  HELP!

It was only two, and I am not sure it ran a complete second
season.  The show went right downhill.


-- 
---------------------------------
     David De Trolio
---------------------------------
(detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
From: tucker@smsc.sony.com (Tim Tucker 817)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica: Conclusion?
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:23:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp.


In article <1b5l3cINNqtg@early-bird.think.com>, barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct10.005326.20802@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c150-ff@po.berkeley.edu (Christopher Chan) writes:
|> >	Does anyone out there know how the televison series Battlestar
|> >Galactica ended?  Did they reach Earth?
|> 
|> The entire (short-lived) last season of BG took place on Earth in the
|> present day.  They even renamed the series to something like "Galactica
|> 1980" (where the year was actually the year it was on).  Those of us who
|> thought that the show couldn't get any worse learned we were wrong.
|> -- 
|> Barry Margolin
|> System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.
|> 
|> barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar

Actually, Glen Larson had planned a final episode for the series (this is
old information from when I visited the studio back in the mid 80's).

From what I heard, Larson and company were totally pissed at the studio for
cancelling the series and planning to change it into the "Galactica 1980"
garbage.  They rushed through four days of shooting with the cast before the
powers that be pulled the plug on them.  I understand that the script and
raw footage exist (at least it did back then), but that it would take a lot
of work to finish it into an episode (editing, effects, etc...).

I only heard rumors about this final story, but it was supposed to be VERY
*FINAL*.  Larson was going to make certain that nobody would abuse his
child in the future.  The rumors had it that the they did reach Earth, but
something was strange.  It didn't take place in 1980, but in the far future.
Remember two hints dropped during the series:  a.) Earthlings had been seen
in star ships (that old prison planet had captured one).  b.) Those aliens
told them that they would be "safe" on Earth (ominous sounding to me).

Those that liked the series should just ignore the "Galactica 1980" stuff.
Larson hated it, and tried to stop it, but the studio won in the end.

Tim
tucker@smsc.sony.com
From: finifter@remus.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL-Nowhere to Run-one minor gripe
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:33:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: remus.Oct.7.13.33.31.1992.23288
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I really liked this episode.  It was moving and it made you think, but
it wasn't "subtle as a sledgehammer" like it could have been.

Really, my only problem with it (aside from the discrepency about who Al
sees in the Imaging Chamber) is that I'm getting sick of the "Evil Orderlie"
First it was Butch in "Shock Theater", now it was whatever this guy's name
was.  It seems to me that in episodes like this, they need a clear-cut villain
and the only position that villain can fill is orderlie.

Whatever happened to the good old days when "the butler did it"?

Keep leaping...

-- 



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 finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu		DPO 430, P.O. Box 2005
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From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: QL: This weeks episode was *not* a smart idea.
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:14:30 GMT

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <Oct.7.01.21.32.1992.6353@remus.rutgers.edu>, 
>finifter@remus.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:

>> (Oh, by the way, Robert Miller was not a paraplegic, he didn't have legs.
>> There's a big difference.  Miller's roomate in the hospital was a
>> quadriplegic, a spinal injury caused him to have no control over anything
>> below his neck.  A paraplegic has no control over his body below his waist,
>> also due to a spinal injury)

>Then how the heck did he operate that mechanical wheel-chair with his hand?
>I was wondering about that...

He could 'throw' his head around, giving him the ability to control
the location of his hand (once it was placed on the chair's control).

	-=Alan
From: sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL Convention
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:47:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.204738.17786
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1687ABFEC.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu> JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:

>a little out of our class.  Sally, could you express our disappointment to
>the "powers that be"?

No, 'cause the "powers that be" don't listen to me. I've never even MET
them. Heck, the PTB don't even listen to the QL folks.

As near as I've been able to make out, the sequence of events:

(this is by no means "official", just my suspicions)

1. The 1st con was such a success, they decide to have another.
2. Some pinhead PTB decides it would be keen to "share the wealth"
(with the other half of the operation, not the fans) and have it in Florida.
3. Some pinhead PTB decides it would be keen to shoot the final
episode there.
4. Someone with a modicum of brains finally realizes that it would
cost way too much to ship the staff and crew and stuff cross-country
to shoot one episode, not to mention losing days in transit and time
is money, and they cut the QL budget something fierce this season
as it is and we're in a recession and all.
5. They decide to have it in LA, which myself and the QL people had
figured they were going to do all along.

<SIGH>

But, listen, folks, I live in California, and I was planning to go to
Florida and I wasn't whining about it. You have no excuse for missing
this one. Wait for another airfare war and buy your tickets. You'll
be glad you did.


Sally

-- 
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I'm unemployed--these opinions *must* be mine!
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From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: QL: This weeks episode was *not* a smart idea.
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 11:54:27 GMT

finifter@remus.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:


>(Oh, by the way, Robert Miller was not a paraplegic, he didn't have legs.
>There's a big difference.  Miller's roomate in the hospital was a
>quadriplegic, a spinal injury caused him to have no control over anything
>below his neck.  A paraplegic has no control over his body below his waist,
>also due to a spinal injury)

Not completely quadriplegic though - he had some control (he moved
the controls of the wheelchair with his hands).  I think it mentioned
earier in the episode that he lost 80% of the control.

-- 

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