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From: peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Canberra
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:16:25 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <1992Nov6.060305.25240@trl.oz.au> c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.185550.16510@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
>peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:
>
>>Kanangra walls is truely spectacular, 
>
>as is the Styx canyon.  It carries a lot more water than Kanangra falls.  The
>bottom pool is in a narrow gorge 400 m deep and is about 100 m diameter with a
>70 m waterfall straight into it that causes waves 60 cm high.  But the Styx is
>not very well known.
>
>>and the walk off the west side down into the Kowmung River
>>is idyllic.
>
>as is the lilo trip down the Guy Fawkes.

I guess we just have different tastes in countryside.  I find it too wet up
north, and much prefer the dry open country.  Nothing quite like boiling the
billy on top of the sandstone cliffs in the Blue Mts, or the Budawangs.
There's also that deep velvety blue you get at the end of the day that really
comes out when its hot and dry.  Once on Narrow Neck I saw the Dogs in that
light --- makes me feel sad its so far away.

>>Well hardly mountains, but a pretty nice bunch of hills.  
>
>Well, mountains that are flat on top with deep gorges and steep escarpments. 
>You can still call it mountain country.

I suppose so. They call the hills out here on the US east coast mountain
country, but to me mountains feel totally different -- massive.  Thats not to
say that the Australian east coast ranges are somehow inferior.  I remember
having a pretty heated argument with some Americans in NZ once, when they
said, "Sure Australia is pretty, but its just not in the same class as real
mountains."  Walked with blinkers on I'd say.  My wife was really taken with
the Australian bush, says its "magic", and she's seen quite a few mountains.

>>However the real
>>problem is --- what the hell does a person do for a job in these country
>>towns.  
>
>Yes, I'm still wondering what position the original poster is in to be
>interested in asking the original question.

Wasn't it a joke question regarding the 60m tidal wave?  Either that or
someone who's never lived in a country town ;-Z.
From: Malcolm Pradhan <pradhan@camis.stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Evans in dog poo... (repost)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:30:13 GMT
Organization: Section of Medical Informatics, Stanford University
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In article <1dsbrsINNq8s@morrow.stanford.edu> Malcolm Pradhan,
pradhan@camis.stanford.edu writes:

Sorry, the last posting got scrunged somewhere along the line, here is
a readable version...

-------------------------------------------------------------
 DOGMEAT REMARKS NOT OFFENSIVE, SAYS AUSTRALIAN POLITICIAN

 CANBERRA, Australia, Reuter - Australian Foreign Minister Gareth Evans
has snapped back at suggestions he insulted the Chinese on their practice
of eating dogmeat.

Evans was grilled in parliament Wednesday about remarks attributed to him
at a reception in Hong Kong this week in connection with a missing pet
dog belonging to the British colony


hors d
eats four puppies a day,
where his remarks were overheard.

Challenged by Australia
remarks were offensive to Patten and China, Evans said:

that matter the governor. I doubt very much that in the case of the
Chinese any offense would have been taken.

Evans said the opposition had failed to grasp the cultural gap between
Australia and China on the dogmeat issue.

It was a terrible insult in China to call someone a dog or to associate
an individual with a dog, he told parliament.


eats dog is very likely to be regarded, particularly in Canton,
particularly in Sichuan, as a compliment on that person
taste,


item of Chinese cuisine, whatever we might think about that.

Evans said he had apologized to Patten 
public record in this way, completely misrepresenting the context of what
I said and the substance of it.


said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: esler@apollo.hp.com (Kevin Esler)
Subject: Paul Kelly comes to Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:30:56 GMT
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: esler@apollo.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

Paul Kelly will be playing at the Iron Horse, in Northampton, on
Saturday December 12.  Tickets are $10.50 in advance.  I wouldn't be
surprised if he plays somewhere in the Boston area too, but I don't
have any details yet.
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esler@apollo.hp.com   (508) 436-5979
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere)
Subject: Re: U.S.A. OR AUSTRALIA ?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:10:21 GMT

In article <92310.204501U22822@uicvm.uic.edu> <U22822@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I AM A FOREIGN BORN NOW LIVING IN U.S.A. I AM IN A POSITION TO CHOOSE
>EITHER U.S.A OR AUSTRALIA TO LIVE. AND I CAN NOT REALLY MAKE A DECISION.
>COULD ANY ONE HELP ME DECIDE?
>
>MATT

   If you have a job and are not threatened with a layoff, stay in the
US.  Otherwise, apply for jobs in both countries, and select the one
in which you are able to find work.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re:    U.S.A. OR AUSTRALIA ?
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:11:09 GMT

In article <92310.204501U22822@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U22822@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> Path: |> 
|> I AM A FOREIGN BORN NOW LIVING IN U.S.A. I AM IN A POSITION TO CHOOSE
|> EITHER U.S.A OR AUSTRALIA TO LIVE. AND I CAN NOT REALLY MAKE A DECISION.
|> COULD ANY ONE HELP ME DECIDE?
|> 
|> MATT

I am a foreign born individual who lived in the USA for 19 years. I recently
came to live in Australia. My advice would be if you are not happy living in
the US, come to Australia on a trip before you decide. Also you should
consider the fact whether you have any friends or relatives in both places.

I have found that there are many similarities between the US and Australia,
however, the pace here is slower than in the US, but changing.

A.Faris
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 20:45:01 CST
From: <U22822@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject:    U.S.A. OR AUSTRALIA ?

I AM A FOREIGN BORN NOW LIVING IN U.S.A. I AM IN A POSITION TO CHOOSE
EITHER U.S.A OR AUSTRALIA TO LIVE. AND I CAN NOT REALLY MAKE A DECISION.
COULD ANY ONE HELP ME DECIDE?

MATT
From: dfoott@fcit-c1.fcit.monash.edu.au (David Foott)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Oznews, Tuesday the 10th of November, 1992
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:48:53 GMT
Organization: FCIT, Monash University

In article <ESLER.92Nov10231226@kanangra.apollo.hp.com> esler@apollo.hp.com (Kevin Esler) writes:

>In article <1dpl13INNosr@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> brad@winnie.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Brad Alexander ) writes:

>>   The secretary of the Victorian Trades Hall Council, Mr John Halfpenny,
>> dismissed the changes as cosmetic and said they would not diminish
>> workers' outrage at the plans, particularly the decision to scrap the
>> 17.5 per cent holiday leave loading for people on State awards.

>Am I correct in inferring that the main grievance causing the strikes
>will be Kennett's ditching of the 17.5% holiday loading ?  If so, what
>a sorry pack of bastards (Halfpenny and the VTHC).

No, that's no the point at all.

What have been lost include:

The award system of determining wages and conditions-
  these will be available if both existing employees and employers accept 
them, but will not be available to new employees
  WorkCare has been dismantled
  Penalty rates have/have not [depends on which part of the cycle Gude &
Kennett are in at the time] been lost.
  The right to withdraw labour has been lost
  $5,000 per day fines can be imposed on striking workers
  Essential Industries legislation has been imposed
  Workers can be fined for arriving late [Kindergarten's now IN]
  etc. etc.

The proposed legislation was never specified to voters, and appears to be
running into procedural problems in the way it's being rushed through
Parliament. The Speaker had to shut the place down this morning between
5.30 am or so and breakfast time to seek legal advice! Some democracy.
[One day we may get to see the legislation - the govt printer can't produce
enough copies of the draft bill, and there have been 80 ammendments already!
Glad to see that the policy was so well determined prior to the election that
the voters of Victoria could make an informed [rather than a panicked] 
decision. Kennett and Gude are claiming that they have a mandate to bring in
legislation that indicates that we'll be living in a state that is Victoria
by name and Victorian [or earlier] by nature. The measures which were to be
adopted were NEVER spelled out during the election campaign.
  A not insignificant aspect of public reaction to the legislation is to
ensure that proposals from the federal opposition will be tempered with a
modicum of sensibility, may even involve a bit of negotiation with those who
will be affected. All this at a time when industrial disputation is at a 25
year low [recession, what recession?!].
  While my politics may be pretty apparent, my vested interests are that I'm
covered [at the moment] by a Federal award, so I'm not directly affected
yet. I believe that it is important to get a message to those who would
introduce industrial relations measures that make the "system" in the US
look positively socialist.

David Foott
Department of Computer Technology
Monash University
From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Canberra
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:56:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.23

In article <1992Nov4.185550.16510@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:

>If you cant stand a big city Canberra is in many ways the ideal compromise

I'll endorse that - the major reason I'm in Canberra now. Of course I'm from 
Darwin, and Canberra _is_ a big city.

--
Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au         This post made from 100% recycled electrons.
From: jlp@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Customs duties on Macintoshes
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:03:14 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I have recently received a permanent migrant visa to go to Australia.  I am
planning on purchasing a Macintosh computer before I go.  Unfortunately, I will
be leaving for Australia only 5 or 6 months after purchasing the Mac.  I called
the customs office to ask about the tax on the computer, and they told me
"approximately 23%". Somehow, the casual manner of her reply and the word
"approximately" did not set my heart at ease.
 
Moreover, I have read other messages in the past (not on this list--on a list to
which I no longer have access) in which Australians debated the merits of
purchasing computer equpment while overseas and bringing it back to Australia,
and they seemed to be mentioning other taxes in addition to any customs duty. 
This is a very important issue for me, because if the tax is more than 23%
total, I will need to downgrade my expectations of what model I can afford.

(I desperately want a IIvx or a IIci, but I think the most I can afford, with
the tax, is a IIsi.)

Any advice or information that any one can give me would be greatly
appreciated.  Thanks much!  

Jobi Petty
jlp@cornellc.cit.edu
 
Newsgroups: aus.tv,soc.culture.australian
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Good Morning Australia
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth  Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:03:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct22.135435.164861@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au writes:
> hoconnel@iti.org (Heath O'Connell) writes:
> 
> 
>>Without doubt, Ron Wilson and Sandra Sully are the best presenters the show
>>has ever had.
> 
> Well getting rid of Kerry Anne was a good move and that last
> male presenter was crud. But I usually only turn it on for
> the news. It is interesting to note that the only surviving
> cast member is Karen Morgold.

And she even had a day off today.  She was sick.  Of course, if she was a
_good_ astrologer, she would have known that she was going to be ill..

Nyah!

:vP

Rod
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Subject: International Software Jobs
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:24:37 GMT

	The International Computer Professional Association is a member 
supported organization for experienced software professionals who want to
work overseas. By using our network of over 750 technical recruitment firms 
in the US and abroad, members can find contract and permanent software jobs
throughout the world. If you are interested in working overseas, contact us
including your name, address, and evening phone number and we will send you
information on membership with the ICPA.


Sincerely 

Tony Rodriguez

Director ICPA


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Fax: (415) 252 - 5769

email icpa@holonet.net
From: s907442@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Terry Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Queries about OZ soaps (Not PCBH).
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:20:32 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Keywords: Neigbours, Home and Away

OK, as far as Neighbours is concerned, can't tell you that much....Phoebe
and Josh break up....Phoebe goes out with Todd, Todd gets hit by van and 
dies, Josh leaves.....Phoebe about to be proposed to by another (new) dude
played by Lochie Daddo...Joe and Mel leave....Madge is about to leave..
Paul leaves as do the twins (cant remember exactly how but there is a big
love triangle)....cast is virtually completely new now...watch for Brad's
new girl, or friend, or something...played by Natalie Imbruglia..she's pretty
hot.

H&A: Meg dies on the beach in blakes arms....blake goes nuts for a little while
Sam (unfortunately) is still alive....although recently trod on a rusty nail.
Blake's father arrives...blake quits school to go to city with him...meets
half sister..has fall out with dad...goes back to SB with sister..Donald has
heart attack....Pippa is pregnant (cos Actress is too)...Adam leaves...Sophie
is cracking under the pressure of the baby...Sophie is about to leave...
blake is about to leave....Lucinda and Nick break up...Lu leaves...new chars.
include Nick's deliquent brother Shane, Blake's half sister Roxanne, another
delinquent Tug O'neil, and a planned new teacher. 

OK, I hope that spoiled the next 18 months viewing for you :)
BTW, Gavin Harrison (aka Revhead in H&A and Hugo in A Country Practice)
was recently seen in ACP with the girl who played Karen in H&A!  
talk about recycling of actors.

-Terry
From: jchang@unixg.ubc.ca (Jonathan Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Nicole Kidman
Date: 12 Nov 1992 04:41:59 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: soc
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		Hi,

			I would like to know the home town of 

			Nicole Kidman. Can anyone tell me ?

			Thanx in advance.(((((((bye))))))))!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: hughc@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Hugh Clapin)
Subject: Travel from Launceston to Melbourne
Reply-To: hughc@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Hugh Clapin)
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:35:15 GMT

I'm considering applying for a job in
Launceston. An important
consideration would be how easily we 
could pop up to Melbourne where we
have many friends and things to do.

Does anyone make this tgrip regularly?
Does the ferry still run? How long does it take,
how regularly does it run?

What's the airfare and flight time?

Any other alternatives (swimming!)?

thanks, 

Hugh Clapin
hughc@cs.unsw.oz.au
From: axg708@anu.edu.au (Ashraf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: re:    U.S.A. OR AUSTRALIA ?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:00:29 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.56.5.23

No one should help you make this type of decision Matt as if
it does'nt work out, you will end up hating the proposer.

The old grass is greener syndrome I am afraid. It does'nt
matter where you decide to go, as long as you make a go of where
you end up.

Gee! I'm a philisopher. Now I wish I could spell it!

Ashraf (Not your typical Aussie name, but I am NOT you typical
From: Malcolm Pradhan <pradhan@camis.stanford.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re-repost! Evans dog comment...
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:39:39 GMT
Organization: Section of Medical Informatics, Stanford University
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Ok sorry everyone, I finally worked out what was going wrong, the
newsreader
vomited on the > 7 bit characters in the file (how embarrassing...)

I'm sick of it now but here it is anyway...
------------------------------------------------------------

DOGMEAT REMARKS NOT OFFENSIVE, SAYS AUSTRALIAN POLITICIAN
CANBERRA, Australia, Reuter - Australian Foreign Minister Gareth Evans
has snapped back at suggestions he insulted the Chinese on their practice
of eating dogmeat.
Evans was grilled in parliament Wednesday about remarks attributed to him
at a reception in Hong Kong this week in connection with a missing pet
dog belonging to the British colony's governor, Chris Patten.
''The governor's dog is probably a supreme delicacy. They'll turn it into
hors d'oeuvres for (China's supreme leader) Deng Xiaoping who, I'm told,
eats four puppies a day,'' he was quoted as saying at the reception,
where his remarks were overheard.
Challenged by Australia's conservative opposition on the grounds that his
remarks were offensive to Patten and China, Evans said:
''I had no intention whatsoever of causing offense to the Chinese or for
that matter the governor. I doubt very much that in the case of the
Chinese any offense would have been taken.''
Evans said the opposition had failed to grasp the cultural gap between
Australia and China on the dogmeat issue.
It was a terrible insult in China to call someone a dog or to associate
an individual with a dog, he told parliament.
''It just happens to be the case by contrast that to say that someone
eats dog is very likely to be regarded, particularly in Canton,
particularly in Sichuan, as a compliment on that person's gourmet
taste,'' Evans said.
''Because dog just happens to be a very sophisticated and highly regarded
item of Chinese cuisine, whatever we might think about that.''
Evans said he had apologized to Patten ''that the matter had got into
public record in this way, completely misrepresenting the context of what
I said and the substance of it.''
''The Chinese, as we all know, have a marvellous sense of humor,'' Evans
said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: jondarr@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (jondarr c g h 2 gibb)
Subject: wanted: convo with USQ comp sci staff member
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:58:23 GMT

Is there anyone attached to USQ's Comp Sci Dept
interested in chatting with me?

			jondarr


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From: jlp@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Unemployment rates
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:10:18 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

I was interested to read one person's response to a question as to whether to
immigrate to Australia or stay in the U.S. as being stay in the U.S. if you
have a job (please excuse me if I butchered the paraphrase--no offense
intended).

What exactly is the job situation in Australia?  I know that the figures are
those on the unemployement benefits rolls, and because unemployment benefits
here do run out after a certain number of weeks, the long-term unemployed
are not counted, nor are those who have given up looking for work counted.  In
Australia, however, it sounds as though the Job Search Allowance benefit does
not run out, so perhaps the unemployment figure in Australia is a more accurate
representation of the unemployed than in the U.S.

Are there any jobs available in Australia?   Here, you could get a job at the
local fast foods restaurant or entry level secretarial work, and there are some
professional positions available, but the movement in my current field of
employment, international education, is slow.  I guess I don't have a lot of
personal experience with what exactly unemployment means in terms of the
correlation between jobs available and the unemployment rate even in the U.S.
because this is the first recession that I have been old enough to really pay
attention to.

Jobi Petty
jlp@cornellc.cit.edu

peop
From: dbooth@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (david booth)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 00:34:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Ausbuy, Foster's
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian

The garbage that we get to drink over here in California which is
Labelled Fosters Larger has not been Fosters Larger for a long long
time, if ever.

For a start California restricts the Alcohol content to 3.3% whereas
genuine Fosters is 4.9%. Secondly, for as long as I have been drinking
Fosters in the US (about 10 years) it has always been specially brewed
for the export market, and in most cases this has meant being brewed
in a non-Australian brewery.

Being an Australian, and having drunk my fair share of the genuine
article in pubs throughout Australia, I can tell you that I have never
purchased a genuine Fosters in the US.

If you want the real thing, go to Oz or get a friend to bring you
some.

Regards

DB