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From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: Sony's SBM CD Mastering
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:46:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.174407.21668@portal.vpharm.com>, dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.135659.3796@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>I received the August 1992 issue of Stereophile yesterday and found in it 
>>a VERY interesting entry reporting on Sony's new Super Bit Mapping 
>>(SBM) mastering technology...
>>However, the technology is eventually expected to filter down to all CD 
>>mastering.
>>
>>-Lynn
>
>I read an interview with the guy at CBS who is overseeing this line of
>newly remastered CD's. He claimed that the new masters would ultimately
>make their way into the standard lines, but that those who wanted to spring
>the big bucks to be first on their block with the newly remastered titles
>could by the gold CD's. During the interview, he said something to the 
>effect of "once these titles have been remastered, the new master will
>become the standard [only] master for that title; we are not going to continue
>to use inferior masters for any of the CD's..." But elsewhere in the
>interview it was implied that the better masters might not make their
>way to the standard issues for "a year to a year and a half...".
>
>
>dap

The same thing was mentioned in Stereophile.  I tried to convey that 
[unfortunately pretty unclearly :) ] when I said that SBM would "filter down". 
The special packaging of the expensive releases might be worth it to CD nuts 
(this includes me).  The packaging supposedly will offer "nearly LP size 
artwork".

-Lynn

< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)  >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA                  >
< Waltham, MA 02254-9110                            > 
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: reggel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans-Juergen Reggel)
Subject: Stiff On Repertoire
Originator: reggel@hphalle7a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:01:21 GMT



Hi! This is the list I promised to post:

All with extensive booklets and bonustracks

REP 4216-WY  Lew Lewis Reformer: Save The Wail
REP 4217-WY  Wreckless Eric
REP 4218-WY  Rachel Sweet: Fool Around
REP 4219-WY  The Rumor: Frogs, Sprouts Clogs And Krauts
REP 4220-WY  Tenpole Tudor: Eddie Old Bob Dick And Gary
REP 4221-WY  TRACEY ULLMAN: YOU BROKE MY HEART IN 17 PLACES
REP 4222-WY  Jona Lewie: On The Other Hand
REP 4223-WY  Desmond Dekker: Compass Point
REP 4224-WY  O.S.T.: Straight To Hell (Pogues, Strummer, ...)
REP 4252-WY  TRACEY ULLMAN: YOU CAUGHT ME OUT
REP 5253-WY  Jona Lewie: Heart Skips A Beat

Fore more info try (don't know if you'll get):
Repertoire Records
Gaensemarkt 24
2000 Hamburg
Germany

Some asked me about a mail order in Germany. I got the address of a mail
order of which I know it has lowest prices in Germany and thgat they also
serve foreign customers. but IN FACT I DID NOT EVER ORDER there. So please
let me know about you experience. Here comes the address (found no phone no):

Magic Music
Postfach 32/8
6146 Alsbach 2

                                                    Hans-Juergen
From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (Heavenly Metal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: U.F.Orb (the story continues)
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:09:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

>I've been told now that some copies of the new Orb video in the UK
>("Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld: Patterns And Textures") contain the
>live bonus album on CD.  True?  Can anyone in the UK help me line up
>a copy of this?  I'm serious, folks . . . I'm reduced to begging here.

Update, Part 3....

I just got off the phone with the Orb Information service in the UK, and 
they told me that the video, "Adventures beyond the ultraworld" is now
available for sale, and was being sold mail-order through their office.
The guy said that he could not guarantee his info to be 100% correct, but
he hadn't heard of the Video coming with any free items, either the CD
or the vinyl of the soundtrack. According to him, there weren't any immediate
plans to release the Live album on CD.

But on the good side, he said that the "U.F.Orb" vinyl copies now exist
in 2 variations, with a third soon to come. Right Now, both copies come
packaged in vinyl sleeves, one with a live album. Soon to come is a 
non-sealed sleeve, which should be much easier to find. Unfortunately,
the non-sealed version doesn't come with the live album.... :-(

Jason Bilsky    fuzzbox@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: cecka@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Way Cool Jr.)
Subject: Best Loved Classics Set
Organization: Rock-N-Roll XPress
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:36:40 GMT

I've been thinking about ordering the "Best Loved Classics" cd set, but
wanted some imput from the net before spending the money.  Have any of you
ordered the set, or know any other details about it than what's given in
the commercial?  I *believe* that for $29.95, I'll get 5 CDs with 125
masterpieces.  True?  Are these short pieces?  (How can they fit so many
works on only 5 CDs?)  Any shipping/handling charges, time for delivery, or
trial period information would be appreciated...as well as a review of the
collection/quality.  (Could you list some of the other "common" works included?)

Please post or email soon...if I get it, it will be for a gift, and the 
time is near.


Thanks!
WCJr
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Bootleg Mastering -- Is it as easy as it sounds?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:39:17 GMT

bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf)) writes:

>>I would make sure that any transactions you do with a pressing plant were
>>essentially untraceable. Don't pay with a VISA card or company or personal 
>>check - maybe use a cashiers check or MO. 

>Cash.  I think when he checked into it he could get 1000 discs printed, plus
>plastic cases (but not inserts) for $2250.

I'd think that cash would be more suspicious. At least you could get a MO that
couldn't be traced back to the buyer and not raise eyebrows.  
 
>Uh-oh. Not this debate again.  I'm staying out of this!  I'll just say that
>the CD is just another medium, so why differentiate between tapes and discs?
>If it's a high quality concert, I'd much rather have it on disc, even if it
>is 4 times as much.
 
I'm differentiating between trading for no profit and selling boots for profit. 
The difference I see is that fans recording shows and trading tapes aren't 
making obscene profits off selling the stuff. If tape trading is done as a not
for profit exchange then it can't really be argued that it's harming the 
artists except that the fans may be hearing inferior recordings (I've heard 
Steve Morse and other artists have argued this point). Many of the boots out 
there are mastered from vinyl or cassette anyway. I have a Crimson tape from 
'69 and gave a copy to a friend. He bought a cd of the same show. The cd is 
less complete - it cuts off some material and he claims the sound is better on 
the cassette he got from me.  So he's selling the boot because the cassette 
is better. I have a lot of live tapes, but I hate buying bootlegs and 
supporting the scumbags who make them, so I don't.  Sure, people are going to 
buy boots anyway, but you gotta figure that the people who press them don't 
really care what they sell you so you have a high risk of getting ripped off 
by something that was misrepresented (hey, why does this Floyd boot have Syd's 
picture but it's from 1985?) or getting something with a horrible sound 
quality that never belonged on cd anyway.  To me paying up to $40 for a cd of 
some audience recording pressed on lp and "re-mastered" to cd is a RIP-OFF and 
not worth the risk. Find someone who's already got it, tape it from them and
give copies to all your friends - it's no worse than what the guy who pressed 
the cd is doing.  

I think a couple months back I saw someone talking about starting a DAT tape 
library of bootleg cds, so that anyone who wanted could get a free copy and 
rip off the bootleggers.  Sounded like an interesting idea, but a little risky 
too.

 - malcolm@wrs.com 
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Subject: BMG catalog # needed for Steve Winwood
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:01:08 GMT

I've got 3 free CDs coming to me, but I've only found 2 in the recent
BMG catalog that I want.

Anybody know the catalog # for Steve Winwood _Back in the High Life_ ?
If so, I'd appreciate obtaining it.


Thanks,
Randy Marks 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: 3 hour cds? 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:34:11 GMT

I saw an interesting article in Thursday's San Francisco Chronicle about
a "breakthrough" by Sony. They announced they've invented a new blue
laser that could have broad uses from flat panel tv's to 3 hour cds. 
Of course it will be a few years until anything happens with it, and
the main obstacle now is that the laser has to be at 320 degrees below
zero (fahrenheit) for it to work. But the claim is that they could 
allow cds 3 times longer than the current 74 minutes or so. 

I wouldn't hold my breath - we'll probably see a half dozen other new
formats before we see HD CDs, but if they can make a player that
plays old cds and some new long play format too it might make a heavy
impact in battling other "new" or "better" formats. I still think that
eventually music won't be on a medium that has to spin...

 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: nemeth@helix.Eng.Sun.COM (Les Nemeth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Sony's SBM CD Mastering
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:26:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: helix

In article <1992Jul29.044659.13058@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.174407.21668@portal.vpharm.com>, dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:

>>>I received the August 1992 issue of Stereophile yesterday and found in it 
>>>a VERY interesting entry reporting on Sony's new Super Bit Mapping 
>>>(SBM) mastering technology...
>>>However, the technology is eventually expected to filter down to all CD 
>>>mastering.
>>>
>>>-Lynn

>>I read an interview with the guy at CBS who is overseeing this line of

This should be Sony not CBS...

>>newly remastered CD's. He claimed that the new masters would ultimately
>>make their way into the standard lines, but that those who wanted to spring
>>the big bucks to be first on their block with the newly remastered titles
>>could by the gold CD's. During the interview, he said something to the 
>>effect of "once these titles have been remastered, the new master will
>>become the standard [only] master for that title; we are not going to continue
>>to use inferior masters for any of the CD's..." But elsewhere in the

I don't think they ever came out and actually said "inferior", but what they
did say was that they had no intention of keeping around three or four masters
for each release, and as such would only retain the SBM encoded masters after
they became available.

>>interview it was implied that the better masters might not make their
>>way to the standard issues for "a year to a year and a half...".

>>dap

The time to market for CD's using the new masters, is simply a result of
the amount of time it takes to deplete existing backstock that use current
mastering technology. (You know their going to want to sell all of the old
ones first before they make the better ones available to the public.)

>The same thing was mentioned in Stereophile.  I tried to convey that 
>[unfortunately pretty unclearly :) ] when I said that SBM would "filter down". 
>The special packaging of the expensive releases might be worth it to CD nuts 
>(this includes me).  The packaging supposedly will offer "nearly LP size 
>artwork".

>-Lynn

I'm definitely a CD nut, but that is exactly what we don't need, is another
packaging format. When are these record companies going to realize, that all
we want is: quality CD's packaged in good ol' standard jewel boxes with decent
booklets...

/Les

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jefrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason E Frank)
Subject: Re: ABBA "The Visitors"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:14:07 GMT

In article <131135@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>
>I've heard a rumor that ABBA's catalog will be released on CD
>in the US sometime soon, but it's only a rumor, so it should be
>taken with a grain of salt.  At the moment, the only two albums
>available in the US are the two volumes of Greatest Hits.

~2 years ago, Atlantic released the CD of Super Trouper on its
mid-price line, though this is the only of the studio albums 
distributed here.
--jason


Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Taping CD's
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:11:35 GMT

bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:

>I've always wondered about that also:  If all these CD's and TV shows
>and videotapes and softwares are copyrighted and all that, why do they
>even sell blank tapes and videocassettes etc for then?

Sorta seems like the wrong place for this subject, but I can't think of a 
better place to follow up to...

First of all, if blank tapes were illegal, it'd be pretty hard for smaller
artists to make their own music, videos, etc. Not all blanks are used to 
copy copyrighted material, and this is where the idea of blank tape taxes
and copy protection schemes on DATs gets absurd and prohibitive. The idea 
that I should be taxed on blanks used to record my own music pisses me off, 
and that that those taxes will go to royalties for other artists is a rip off. 

My understanding was that courts had ruled that it is ok to make 2 copies of 
any recording you buy, if those copies are for your own use. I think the 
model case was supposedly justified by the arguement that someone shouldn't
have to buy something 3 times if he wants to listen to it on lp at home, on
cassette in the car, and on 8 track in his boat, or something like that. So 
it is supposedly ok to make a copy or two *for your own use*. Realistically
I think the only people who ever get busted for illegal taping are the people
who make or sell bootleg lps or cds, and the people who make those cheapo
knock-off cassettes or popular releases so that you can buy them "new" and 
sealed at flea markets for $3. I've *never* heard of a consumer getting 
busted for taping too many copies of a cd for his friends. But try selling 
copies and you'll run a big risk. 

The thing with videos was some ruling that determined it was ok to record
broadcast tv, for your own home use. I think this was based on the fact that 
tv is a publicly broadcast signal, and that the main benefit to the consumer 
is they can "time-shift" and watch something later by recording it when 
they were doing something else. Allowing this has obvious benefits to the 
broadcasters and advertisers too. 

It would be way too hard to regulate blanks and only sell them to manufacturers
and distributers of copyrighted material, and it would prohibit our rights to 
use these things for legal uses. Take something like a knife - it can be
used for a lot of good things, or to injure and kill people. You can't make
knives illegal just because one way to use them is prohibited or illegal.   

 - malcolm@wrs.com 
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: huopio@lut.fi ("Kauto Huopio, OH5LFM")
Subject: Re: Where is Chris Rea from?
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:35:19
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed below are writers own.
Peruutus: Mielipiteet ovat omiani.
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Followup-To: rec.music.cd

In article <1992Jul29.164527.7905@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

> He's English (the Road To Hell is an entire concept album about the M25,
> the motorway all the way around London), but it's true he does have a major

At the beginning of the first track one can hear a traffic report by
Radio Ykk|nen (Radio One) in Helsinki, Finland..

--Kauto
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Organization: Sophomore, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.music.progressive
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:23:35 -0400 
From: "Stephen P. Marting" <sm6h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: King Crimson / Discipline question

Excerpts from alt.music.progressive: 20-Jul-92 King Crimson / Discipline
question by "Clive Backham"@mcdd1.uucp 
> I just bought the Fripp-remastered "Definitive Edition" of
> Discipline by King Crimson on CD. Does anyone know whether Fripp 
> has explained why he removed one of the guitar parts from the track
> "Matte Kudasai"?
>  
> BTW, I am comparing it to the vinyl release. Is the missing guitar
> part present on the original CD release (which I never bought)?

My CD of Discipline appears to be the standard (before the '89
remasterings) version.  The only Crimson CDs that I have that were
remastered are Red (yes!) and In the Court of the Crimson King.  The
version of Matte Kudasai on there is identical (I haven't noticed a
difference, anyways) with the version I had on one of the compilation
tapes (The Compleat King Crimson, I believe, although it might have been
the Young Person's Guide to King Crimson) that was released before the
remasterings.

So I believe the remastered version is the only one with the missing track.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: DUNE soundtrack
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:25:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

I'm sorry if this has been asked before here, as someone else has told
me, but could anyone tell me if they know of a place where the soundtrack
to David Lynch's movie Dune can be found? I prefer CD format but I'm so
desperate I'd consider anything. Please email me, as my site rolls its
news over pretty quickly.

And in case any of you want to mail me asking for the info I receive, I
promise I will also post anything useful I hear to the net.


-- 
Mark Norman           | My university doesn't let me send email.
mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: msg@DSG.Tandem.COM (Maitreya Sengupta)
Subject: Re: RUBBER BISCUIT!
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:47:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.114755.22962@cas.org>, mlh24@cas.org (Mitch L. Hewitt) writes:
|> In article <3265@carroll1.cc.edu>, pwickman@cerebus.cc.edu (Paul J. Wickman) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> 	Does anybody know what Blues Brother Album the song "Rubber Biscuit"
|> |> appears on?  Or can I get the single somewhere.
|> |> 
|> |> thanks{
|> 
|>    It is on Briefcase Full of Blues.  It might be really hard to find
|>    nowadays.  I have the old Lp of it.
 
  One version of 'Rubber Biscuit' also appears on the movie soundtrack of 'Blues
 Brothers'. I think this one is slightly different from the version on the
 'Briefcase Full of Blues', but I'm not absolutely sure about that. BTW, I have
 seen the 'Blues Brothers' soundtrack in the 'movie soundtracks' section of
 several record stores, so it should not be very difficult to find on CD. 

 Regards;

 Maitreya (hope this helps) Sengupta.

|> |> Paul J. Wickman - Analyst/Programmer  Harnischfeger Corporation
|> |> Internet: pwickman@carroll1.cc.edu
|> |> 
|> |> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"
|> 
|> -- 
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|>    BITNET:   mlh24@CAS.bitnet      INTERNET: mlh24@cas.org
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: mlh24@cas.org (Mitch L. Hewitt)
Subject: Re: RUBBER BISCUIT!
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:47:55 GMT

In article <3265@carroll1.cc.edu>, pwickman@cerebus.cc.edu (Paul J. Wickman) writes:
|> 
|> 	Does anybody know what Blues Brother Album the song "Rubber Biscuit"
|> appears on?  Or can I get the single somewhere.
|> 
|> thanks{

   It is on Briefcase Full of Blues.  It might be really hard to find
   nowadays.  I have the old Lp of it.

|> 
|> --
|> Paul J. Wickman - Analyst/Programmer  Harnischfeger Corporation
|> Internet: pwickman@carroll1.cc.edu
|> 
|> "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"

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From: strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Sony Discman Problem
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:10:28 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.

In article <92212.232247WEISHAAR@NDSUVM1.BITNET> Mark Weishaar <WEISHAAR@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:

   Steve Strange (strange@zk3.dec.com) stated his solution which he used
   to solve the problem in his Model D-2.  Steve stated:

   > I've been able to fix it by putting some lubricant (WD-40, Marvel Oil,
   > etc) on the shaft that supports the laser assembly.  Apparently the
   > shaft gets 'sticky', and the assembly has a hard time moving towards
   > the outer edge of the CD as it tracks.  Poor design.

   If you think about it, the solution is logical.  If you hold the player in
   a vertical postion, the laser assembly will be able to move easier on the
   shaft.

Right!  That's exactly how I came upon the solution -- something must
be sticking if the skipping is dependent on the orientation of the
machine.  Also, it's a problem that got worse gradually over a few
years -- probably from dust getting stuck on the shaft due to the
original lubrication.

   I have not yet tried the solution with my Discman, but soon will try it.

Be sure to be very careful opening these things up -- there are a lot
of thin wires that are easy to break that kind of hold the whole thing
together even after you've removed the screws.  Not designed with
servicing in mind (but then, what is these days).

	Steve
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