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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 19:57:37 EDT
From: <GEW104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LEGALIZING DRUGS:

Has anyone ever wondered why the two most deadliest drugs in the U.S.A.
are legal, Alcohol and Tobacco?  I say that Congress should legalize all illici
t drugs and control it like they do alcohol.  The reasoning for this is that a
war on drugs will never be won, no matter what Bush says or any other president
 after him says.  And besides if the government controls it they can tax it, no
t to high or there will be a black market for it, but then they can see that dr
ug addiction is a disease ,just like alcoholism is, and not a crime.  No I do n
ot do any of the illicit drugs, just the legal drugs.  Also I am an Administrat
ion of Justice major at Penn State, and I am from a small town that has a small
drug problem, if that is what you want to call it.
From: thinman@netcom.com (Lance Norskog)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: You All Suck
Keywords: Penis, phallus
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:40:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.tl1jc!a.thinman
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

v116hgth@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Darmody) writes:

>Drugs are killing are children!!!!! How can you possibly want them legal?????


>You must be truly sick.

Hear hear!!!!!  




It's truly appalling what penicillin has done to the gene pool!!!!!
-- 
----------------Lance Norskog---------------
  ((lambda (lambda) `(,lambda ',lambda)) 
   '(lambda (lambda) `(,lambda ',lambda)))
Ah don't know, Jim, Ah thank it's some kahnd of vahrus.
From: wix@west.darkside.com (Doktor Avalanche)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Asset Forfeiture and You
Keywords: Civil Law, Drugs, Asset Forfeiture, RICO
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:35:09 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

baillod@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Brad Baillod) writes:

> 
> I really don't see how they could do this.  Having your travellers'
> checks is not having your money.  Your travellers' checks are not
> attached to a bank account; you can buy them at any bank.  There is
> no "account" that goes with them.  If they are lost or stolen, all
> you need to get new ones is a police report.  Just go to some small
> town away from where you had them taken and file a police report,
> send it in to American Express, and you get them back.  The police
> can't cash them without your countersignature.
> 
> If the police could cash them, they could conceivably cash every 
> travellers check they happen to find on the street.  I say the
> police cannot cash them.  Maybe if they were in a court action against
> you, and American Express got a court order to withdraw funds for
> the police, they would.
> I also don't think the police can "march you down to the bank and
> make you withdraw" anything without, again, a court action.  They
> can seize what you have on you, but it takes a court action to
> do anything with your bank account.
> And how many people take their bank books with them everywhere,
> anyway?
> 
> -- 
> Brad Baillod						baillod@eecs.umich.edu

 
Lemme see if I got this straight: if, for some odd reason, you got
your travellers' checks siezed from you, all you have to do is
go down to the AmerEx office (or wherever you got them from)
and report them 'lost or stolen'?
 
BULL! Have you ever had your travellers checks lost or stolen? I
guess not, or else you wouldn't have righteously put your foot in
your mouth.
 
If you get your TT's 'lost or stolen', you have to file a report
with AmerEx (or the place you got them from), and also you are
required to SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THE REASONS YOU FILED FOR 
REPLACEMENT ACTUALLY HAPPEND.
 
 
Now, you waltz into the AmerEx office and you want to report your
checks lost or stolen:
 
1. If you say that you had them stolen, and not give details as to
   the circumstances, you are guilty of perjury and fraud. 
 
2. If you say you lost them, you are guilty of perjury and fraud.
 
3. If you tell the truth, and say that the cops took them, AmerEx
   will not refund your checks. 
 
What are you thinking? I guess it didn't occur to you that the police
would more than likely call the outfit you got your checks from and
clue them in as to why you had them siezed, and not to give you
a refund for those reasons.
 
But of course, you can lie. That's your option. I believe the official
charge would be perjury and grand larceny when they get wise to
your scam.
 
One more thing: TRAVELLERS CHECKS? Come on... the cops have taken
bank accounts, cars, houses, boats, jewelery, etc. I'm no lawyer,
but is this really an issue? Come on, man...this is Kafka in a clown
suit.
From: v059nmxa@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael C Fallon)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: SHROOMS...POT...AND THE CONSTITUTION
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <L3T5iB4w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, voss.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes...
>hopefully I didnt misspell that last word... well anyway I even though I 
>am fairly progresssive do realize congress has the right to ban the 
>sale,and transportation of mushrooms over state lines because of their 
>power to regulate COMMerce but NOWHERE in this document does it give them 
>the right to ban possesion of these substances...in fact a proper reading 
>of the ninth amendment would tend to suggest that the government has NO 
>power to control personal possesion and growing for personal use even to 
>the point of giving it to adult friends as long as there is no money 
>changing hands...    anyone have any comments?


  To quote my old criminal procedure instructor: "Take the fourth
	amendment seriously, but no too seriously.  And don't even
	think about the ninth amendment."

----------------
M. Fallon
v059nmxa@ubvms.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Input sought on drug legalization: detection/
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 20:17:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

OK, I'll give you a stupid one.  I was on Dauphin Island, Alabama where 
partying is a professional matter and came out at 5:00 am and realized
I had better walk (yeah, right) home.  The blues "pulled me over" and
ticketed me for public drunkeness on an Island of 200 permanent residents
at an hour when I was the only one out.  I got a bit testy with these
guys because I thought I was doing the *right* thing and came within an
inch of spending the night in the Mobile jail.  BTW in Alabama it is
legal to drink in a car and the bars keep "to go cups" for you to
take your last drink home in.  Go figure.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: jsattin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin A Sattin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Mull this one over...
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:32:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I was reading Time Magazine the other day, and in an article about the 
presidential race, I came upon a very disturbing passage--however, being
very stoned, I forgot to write it down, so this isn't an exact quote:

FORTUNATELY, THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A SOCIETY WHICH PRODUCES FUHRER
FIGURES VERY EASILY BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING CONDITIONS THAT DO THAT ARE
VERY MUCH PRESENT....

This very chilling statement was made my some political analyst who was 
quoted in the article.

Visions of old WWII movies started drifting through my brain...

_______________________________________
Justin Alan Sattin
jsattin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

"Leges Sine Moribus Vanae" - Laws Without Morals Are in Vain
University of Pennsylvania motto (hypocrisy in action).     






Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Seeking Bush atheism quotation reference
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:59:55 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

anarch@bonaire.dartmouth.edu (The Anarch) writes:
>       Sorry to interrupt this group with non-drug affairs, but I am trying
>to find a reference for a quotation of George Bush that I think appeared
>here (or maybe in a .sig or .plan).  He expressed that "atheists should [not]
>be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots."  If anyone
>can tell me if this quotation is for real and point me to its source, I'd be
>very grateful.  Thanks much.

Check out the alt.athiesm FAQ on either alt.atheism or news.answers.
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu  (anon: ap.4497@layout.berkeley.edu)
University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
alt.drugs FTP site: milton.u.washington.edu[128.95.136.1] dir:/public/alt.drugs
               For quotes and other useless info see my .plan
From: ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: San Pedro (Trichocereus pachonoi)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:06:44 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <h=yj+kc.bprofane@netcom.com> bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) writes:
>I think the alkaloid mix is supposed to be essentially similar to
>peyote's.  It's "milder" in that the alkaloid content by weight is
>much lower.  You just use more.

The alkaloid mix is different, there's no lophophorine, pellotine,
anhalodine, anhalonidine or anhalonine in San Pedro. They are toxic
substances. Trichocereus pachanoi is mild, T. peruvianus is strong (0.8%
mescaline of dry weight, which is about the same as Lophophora
williamsii - T. peruvianus only grows a lot faster).

>It's a columnar, fast-growing succulent formed of six ridges spaced
>around the longitudinal axis.  

The number of ridges varies.
-- 
Petrus.Pennanen@helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: uk09365@nx02.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:43:43 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr7.193851.9037@zip.eecs.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu  
(Jim Howe) writes:
> My understanding from the information presented in the story was that
> the law had already been challenged and found to be constitutional.
> Does anybody know what the test case was and what rationale was used
> to determine the constitutionality of the seizure law?  Is the 
> decision online somewhere?

You might be referring to U.S. v. Monsanto.  I'll post references for this  
and related cases later today or this week.

Briefly, the case actually involved a claim that 6th Amend. right to  
(competent) counsel was denied by seizing defendant's assets before trial  
and forcing him to use a public defender.

RIK
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Kesey's back!
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:52:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <g-xjc7#.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>A lot of people have emailed me asking who the hell Kesey is so:

Good God!

>Pick up a copy of "The Electric Cool Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe.  It
>tells the whole story.  Briefly though Ken Kesey is the man who brought
>acid to the west coast.  He was living in an old "beat" cabin complex
>near Stanford writing "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" with folks
>like Jack Kerouac and Ralph Ginsberg and Neal Cassidy coming and going

You mean Allen Ginsberg.  Kerouac was never at the La Honda pad;
according to "Electric" and other sources, Kesey and Kerouac met in
NY during the first Furthur bus trip.  Kerouac abhorred the
psychedelic crowd, although a lot of that had to do with the
erosion of his talent by booze.  He was on his way to becoming a
really pathetic drunk.  He and Cassidy, although out of touch for
years, died within a year of each other from essentially the same
causes (alcohol poisoning).

>and he needed bread so volunteered at the Palo Alto veterans hospital for
>some experiments the fed was doing with this new chemical (guess
>what) It blew his mind so he copped some while they weren't looking
>and took it back to Stanford.  The rest is history.  Read it!  Drop
>whatever you are doing and run to the nearest big bookstore. ;-)  You
>will love it.  I visited his spread in La Honda a couple times in the
>mid sixties when Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead were the house
>band on weekends and based on what I saw decided to move my pregnant
>wife and new daughter out here to be part of it.  When I got here they
>were gone.  He still began the "long strange trip" for me.

Bob, you were a Prankster for a day?  Awesome.
From: jduncan@willamette.edu (Jack Duncan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: is ephedrine a prescription only?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr8.230031.4907
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR


is just straight ephedrine available over the counter?

***  i know that it is available in primatene tablets.  i am only
     interested in plain ephedrine tablets.


thanks in advance,

jack  (jduncan@willamette.edu)

*** GO BIG GREEN ***


the views are my own, not those of the university...peace
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MDMA alternative?: a rat example
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:11:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.=xrj09b.rcain
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

You heard it first here folks!  Ok, where do you get this here 3a and 3b
stuff?  Any info obviously appreciated.  My rats have been bugging me
about this ever since they heard about it on ratnet.

This 5a sounds kind of interesting.  I don't really need my chains closed.

Peace,

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Paneolus (sp?): a sacred manna?
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:22:05 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <31622@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jtucker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Joe T. Ucker       ) writes:
>This variety of mushroom contains psilocin although it is not
>classified taxonomically as a Psilocybe (it is in one taxonomer's
>book.)  I was wondering if any out there have perhaps witnessed
>anyone or know friends who have taken this yard variety and
>would like to share with us dose ranges, preparation  techniques,
>how great it was, if they could sell us some :-) , or the like.

Panaeolus foenisecii and P. subbalteatus are relatively well-known 
psychedelic 'shrooms. There was an article about them in June 1990 High
Times. They say that a good starting dose is fifty mushrooms, which is
about two handfulls as they are very small. 

Here are some references about these mushrooms from Schultes' and
Hoffman's book The Botany and Chemistry of Hallucinogens.

            Ola'h G. Etude chimiotaxinomique sur les Panaeolus.
            Comptes Rend., 267:1369-1372,1968

            ------   A taxonomical and physiological study of the genus
                     Paneaolus.....Rev. Mycol., 33:284-290,1969

            ------   Le genre Paneaolus. Le Mans, Imprimerie Monnager,1969

            Ott, J. Guzman, Detection of psylocybin in species of
                            ... Paneaolus. Lloydia,39:258-260,1976

            Robbers, J.E. Additional evidence supporting the occurance of
                          psylocybin in Paneaolus foenisecii.
                          Lloydia,32:399-400,1969

Please tell us if someone tries them..
-- 
Petrus.Pennanen@helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Subject: Albert Hofmann
Reply-To: jf@decuk.uvo.dec.com (Jason Flowers)
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd. CSC/UK
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:32:55 GMT




	Hi all,

	I recall reading a while back an except from a book by Albert Hofmann
	about how he first realised he was onto something unusual..I did
	extract and keep the post but now I can't find it....anyway I have
	a friend who would like to have a read so can anybody repost it
	or mail it to me..

	Ta,

	J

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Quiz Bowl: The Battle of Marathon
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:35:04 -0500

	The 26 mile 285 yard race named after the battle of Marathon
honors Phidippides, the Greek runner who is reputed to have delivered 
this message and then dropped dead:

	"Rejoice, we conquer!"

	The 1st round Quiz Bowl pitted the dopers against one of the
top-rated teams the last 4 years running, a group called the Bolivian
Eggheads.  Some new questions were added this year which challenged
short-term memory.  It was a tough contest but we emerged victorious
by the score, 55 to 45.

	I must admit, I got a little emotional when we won.  At the
halfway mark, we were trailing badly.  I kept buzzing in a fraction of
a second behind the other team (I found out that it's best to use the
index finger instead of the thumb -- I'll be ready next time).  Mike
Jensen had gotten us on the board first but then we languished as the
other side racked up points.  Then Steve Llewellyn rang in with a key
answer.  When we were trailing by 15 points we got a toss-up question
on fine arts -- name the painting:

o	Louvre
o	16th century
o	Da Vinci 

... I buzzed, it was the Mona Lisa, of course.  The bonus question was,
within 5 years, when was it painted.  I knew it was the early 1500's but
was drawing a blank.  At the buzzer I said 1503.  The answer was 1502.
The crowd went wild.  I think they were on our side.

	From then on we never looked back.  Everyone on the team 
contributed to the victory.  The last question was the nail biter.
We were leading by 10 with 30 seconds to go and the toss-up 
category was sports (we're all bad at this category) with a 5 pt.
bonus question.  The question was -- name the sports figures:

o	1980 olympics
o	speed skating
o	brother and sister

... I buzzed.  I said, the Heiden's.  The moderator said to be more
specific.  I said, you want their first names too?  Yes, he said.
I said, Eric and ...

	It got tossed over to the Eggheads.  They couldn't come up with
the name either (it was Beth).

	We got some incredibly difficult, which is to say obscure,
questions.  The funny thing is that we were sitting in the back during
the first round when the nut-cruncher team, the I.U. Business school,
was rolling over some hapless newcomers.  The Business school is the
perennial winner of the Quiz Bowl and has Jeff Sagarin (of Sagarin
ratings fame) on as the sports guru.  Still, Dennis and I answered
about 80% of the questions and figured that we would eat the field
alive.  When it came our turn, the questions seemed to increase in
difficulty by an order of magnitude.

	Well, enough gushing.  We will be going again this Wednesday --
this time against a group called Mortar Board.  If we get past them,
we get the winner of Cook Inc. v. The I.U. Business School.

	I will, of course, keep folks informed.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7627 talk.politics.drugs:2914
From: guido@netlink.cts.com (Joel Cherney)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Shrooming tips
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:11:22 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

A few hypothetical questions on shrooms...

How much should a person pay for one dose?
How many shrooms in a dose?  How much weight?
What is a good environment for shrooming?
How long will a shroom trip last?

Thanks in advance...

--
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Fanaticism is the root ( Ignorance is extinction. ) /Copland/Davis/Ministr
of all evil. Just say  (          * * *           ) y/Misfits/NIN/PIL/PWEI
no to straightedges!   (  guido@netlink.cts.com   ) /Rush/Sonic Youth/ etc
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu (Amy Harris)
Subject: Re: All Drugs WILL Be Legalized!!!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:02:56 GMT

In <1992Apr14.161531.0619760@locus.com> dave@locus.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu (Amy Harris) writes:
>> Most racists are suffering a kind of racism born of ignorance,
>> the kind that tends to breed rampantly in [...] small towns.

>Most bigots are suffering a kind of bigotry born of ignorance,
>the kind that tends to breed rampantly in big cities.

Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was saying ALL small towns are
racist.  And I didn't mean to say that all small towns breed ignorance.
If you hadn't deleted a word from my posting that might be a little
more clear. (see below)

I should clarify that *in my experience* people from big cities 
exhibit less racist attitudes than do people from smaller communities.
I come from Chicago where few people use the word "nigger" the way
a group of all whites do in the town I live in now.  And the people
who are from small towns and have come to this school often foster 
what I would call quite racist attitudes.  I think it's because 
there are no/very few black people living in the towns from where 
they come.
Thus my comment about ignorance.  They are ignorant of black people
and their culture other than what they've seen on TV and in the
movies.  People who have lived *anywhere* and interacted with black
people as they were growing up don't seem to exhibit these racist
attitudes.  In my experience.

And another thing about deleting a word of my post:  what I wrote
was "in _said_ small towns".  I happen to know both Pete and Dave 
quite well, and I was responding to Dave's posting.  This implies
that I might very well have been talking about Pete and Dave's 
hometowns specfically.  I've even been to the small town Pete grew 
up in.   That word implies that I'm not generalizing about all
small towns.

>"And of *course* YOU wouldn't fit in that category, now, would you?"

As long as you're taking my statement made to Dave and throwing it
back at me, I'll answer.  No.  I don't think I fit in that category.
Do YOU?
Once again, sorry if I sounded like I was saying people from small
towns must be ignorant.  But you deleted a key word from my sentence.
If you're going to respond in this fashion you shouldn't delete
any part of what you're responding to.

________________________________________________________________________
amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu

			Eldrad must live.
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