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From: gordon@meaddata.com (Gordon Edwards)
Subject: It finaly happened.
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:19:40 GMT

I have always enjoyed reading this group for its entertainment value, but I
think it has finally rubbed off on me.

My wife and I are in the market for a house. We are looking in a town filled
with late 19th century homes. Last night the realtor took us to three old
homes. The first was built in the 1900-1910 time-frame. We go inside and the
house is partially empty. Not the kind of empty when you move out, but a kind
of "live here but not much else empty." We didn't really care for the house;
the previous owners had ruined much of the original wood work. The weird thing
about the house was that the attic stairs had been sealed. The door was still
there but when you opened it, there was a wall. We started joking about
sealing their grandmother in the attic, etc... When we left, the realtor and
I went through the house and turned off all of the lights. We walked out of
the back of the house and around to the front (the car was parked on the
street). We looked up and there was a light in a second floor window. We all
laughed weakly and started thinking if we REALLY turned off the lights.

The second house was uneventful. It was a beautiful old home built in 1895.
The original wood work was intact and the house had fairly new wiring and
heating.

Finally, we went to the third house. It was an old farm house (now in the
center of a small town) built in 1830. Really spooky. The house smelled
like the old houses you tour and it was really a mesh of wiring and styles
over the last 160 years. After the first house, we were a little edgy (it
was pitch black). We didn't even bother looking in the attic or basement.


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Gordon Edwards                        e-mail: gordon@meaddata.com
Mead Data Central                             ...!uunet!meaddata!gordon
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From: marleyt@ccit.arizona.edu (Marley Treadwell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Tucson Ghost story
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:58:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In Tucson, We are only about 1 1/2 hours from the Mexico border. Many
people go ther for sight seeing and shopping. There is an old highway
called the old Nogales Highway. This ghost story is about that highway.

A trucker was driving along the old Nogales hwy, along the road he noticed
a young woman walking along the side of the road. He stopped and offered
her a ride and she accepted. He inquired of the young woman's destination.
She said she was going to Nogales, well it happened that he was going that
direction to so he told her he would take her there. The young woman gave
him the address in Nogales where she needed to go. 
    Well some time passed and they were reaching the Nogale Border station
and he glanced over at the Young woman and she was GONE. All that was left
was the lace scarf on the seat. Needless to say the trucker was a worried
individual and he went to address that the young woman supplied him with.
He knocked on the door and an old woman answered. He explained his dilema
and asked if  she had gotten home safely. The old woman stated that the
young woman in question had been dead ten years and was hit on that highway
and died. The trucker then showed her the scarf she left and she said that
it happens all the time. 
  She thanked the trucker for being a good samaritan and sent him on his
way.
She's known all throught Tucson and the story is printed every halloween 
in the paper.


Marley treadwell
University of Arizona
email: Marleyt@ccit.arizona.edu
2nd email: Marley@hacks.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (CatherineArnott Smith)
Subject: Greek ghosts
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:01:58 GMT

My father's second ghost story:

My mom, dad, and small sister were in Greece driving on a very deserted
country road.  They saw a young woman in the road ahead. She was wearing a
black dress (this being Greece, the black dress is not particularly symbolic
...) and she stopped in the road and gave what my father described as "the
kind of smile a ghost would smile."  she then kept walking across the road. 
Only after the car had driven on did my father realize that the other side of
the road was a cliff with a very steep drop, and there was no where the woman
could have walked to.  !

Happened about five years ago, in the dark ...

Catherine Arnott Smith
casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky the art fag!!)
Subject: Re: means of detecting ghosts
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:33:18 GMT

In article <9210071839.AA23522@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:
>Another means of 'detecting' ghosts I've heard, and the one I'd feel safest
>trying out, is the audio recorder.  I've heard a few _very_ spooky stories
>about people leaving tape recorders running in places believed to be haunted
>and coming back to find mysterious voices, hoofbeats, cries, etc. or to find
>the tape recorder damaged beyond repair.  
>


 the uncle of a friend of mine once did the audio tape thing.  he had lived in
	his house for quite some time and knew by heart all the sounds it
	makes (settling, third step squeeks when steped on, squirrels ect.).
	the neighborhood was farley sparce at the time and he had no pets.
then one year when he went on his annual vacation he left a tape recorder
	set to record on one of those wall socket lamp timers so that it would 
	start after he had left.  he never let anyone listen to the tape,
	burned it i think,  but he moved out of the house within the week
	of returning from his vacation.  now my friend has been known to 
	exagerate a story or too, but he very INSISTENT about this one.


-simply noid



Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Vanishing Hitchhiker
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:43:35 GMT

FYI, the ghost story of giving the person a ride, a person who vanishes,
often in possession of a scarf or coat loaned by the driver, only to turn
up as a long-dead person in a graveyard somewhere, with the coat or scarf
left either on the tombstone or with the family of the deceased, is one of
the most frequently recurring ghost stories anywhere.  It's even given
a name to the first of Jan Harold Brunvand's books of urban legends... the
"Vanishing Hitchhiker."  Variants exist in every state in the nation.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories,alt.horror
From: jbjorklu@aton.abo (Joakim Bj|rklund INF)
Subject: Re: LOVECRAFT'S GRAVE... WHERE?
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:51:11 GMT



H.P. Lovecraft's grave is in Providence, in the Swan Point Graveyard. I hope
that satisfied you.


Joakim Bjorklund, Finland
jbjorklu@aton.abo.fi
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: re: sources of ghosts
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:37:43 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson) writes:

In article <9210061448.AA06603@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel
Furr) 
>writes:
>>I continue to be interested in the subject of why ghosts haunt the places
they
>>do, assuming that there are ghosts.  
>>
>>I have heard theories, based on nothing more than idle speculation, that
many
>>ghosts are not spirits of the dead per se but rather psychometric recordings
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>of human emotional activity.  In other words, if a human or humans felt
strong
>>emotions such as fear or hate in a locale, the emotional force generated
might
>.More..
>>leave 'marks' in the area, with the ultimate result being that other humans
>>coming along later might experience 'playbacks' of these feelings.  This is
>
>What is the distinction between the two?  Does the first imply that
>there is some sort of conscious entity behind a haunting, while the
>second does not?

Actually, yes.  I didn't enunciate it very well, but that is what I was trying
to get at.  Thanks for summing it up.

Yes, what I'm saying is that one theory of ghosts has it that they are not
conscious entities, but rather "recordings" of human emotional and spiritual
activity in a locale.

What do you think?

It seems to me that this would explain a lot of the "mysterious voices" brand
of ghost as well as the "weird feeling" kind of ghost (by which I mean
"ghosts" that are perceived as a result of a "weird feeling" in only one room
or at certain times, etc.) but would do little for actual apparitions seen
visually.

Comments?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: LOVECRAFT'S GRAVE... WHERE?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.135231.16117@husc3.harvard.edu> alvalent@husc10.harvard.edu (Alvin Valentine) writes:

   Where is it?  In Salem, Massachusetts, or Providence, Rhode Island, or
   elsewhere?

Oddly enough, he doesn't have one because after his death his body was
never found.  One night, while he was working on a story (judging from
some writings in Arabic which were found in what was left of the room
in which he was working, he was probably planning to add further
believability to his Necronomicon by inserting a short Arabic passage
in this one) he suddenly screamed and was never seen again.

-Joe.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: pingleto@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Mike Pingleton)
Subject: Re:  Kitty Litter
Originator: pingleto@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:39:02 GMT

I *was* responding to the thread regarding W. P. Blatty and the exorcism
on which his book was based.  However, some mysterious agent or a slip
of my hand obliterated the message:

Blatty based his story on an actual exorcism which occurred at Alexian
Brothers Hospital in St. Louis.  St. Louis newspapers occasionally run
articles about the event.  I believe the building in which it took
place no longer exists (I may be wrong about that).  Growing up in St.      
Louis I heard many variations on what actually happened, it was sort
of an urban legend.

Mike "Your mother eats kitty litter" Pingleton

See, now it makes sense.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Street Light Story
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:16:08 GMT



Having once had a friend who lived under one of those street lights that go
out when you stand/pass under them, it does seem spooky at first. My friend
cured me of being spooked by going over and giving the pole a slap, which
brought the light right back on! Seems mercury or soda vapor lamps are quite
succeptible to vibration when beginnig to fail, even vibrations we might not
notice. (If you think the "solid" ground doesn't shake a tiny bit when a human
walks past, you've never played around a seismograph...) Next time one of
these goes out as you walk under it, give it a swift kick, and if it comes
back on, report it to the local bureau of streets!

Suze

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: frisinv@alleg.edu
Subject: These Reptile Creature....Where are they from????
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:53:21 GMT

I guesss that says it all. I have had a lot of info sent to me about the  
aliens sending the planetoid except no one mentioned theor planet of  
origin. This would be helpful. Even a general area will do.

Vincent
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: klaes@verga.enet.dec.com (Larry Klaes)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: One View on Extraterrestrial Life from 1919 (SETI)
Keywords: SETI
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:09:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


        The following passage is quoted from AN INTRODUCTION TO ASTRONOMY,
    by Forest Ray Moulton, PhD, The MacMillan Company, New York, published
    in 1919.

        Chapter 9, "The Planets", Section 174, "Explanations of the 
    Canals of Mars", page 288:

        "It is a curious fact that those who know but little about
    astronomy are nearly always very much interested in the question
    whether other worlds are inhabited, while as a rule astronomers
    who devote their whole lives to the subject scarcely give the 
    question of the habitability of other planets a thought.  Astro-
    nomers are doubtless influenced by the knowledge that such spec-
    ulations can scarcely lead to certainty, and they are deeply 
    impressed by the fundamental laws which they find operating in
    the Universe.  

        "Nevertheless, there seems to be no good reason why we should
    not now and then consider the question of the existence of life,
    not only on the other planets of the solar system, but also on the
    millions of planets that possibly circulate around other suns.  Such 
    speculations help to enlarge our mental horizon and to give us a 
    better perspective in contemplating the origin and destiny of the 
    human race, but we should never forget that they are speculations."

        Larry Klaes  klaes@verga.enet.dec.com
		     or - ...!decwrl!verga.enet.dec.com!klaes
    		     or - klaes%verga.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com
                     or - klaes%verga.enet.dec.com@uunet.uu.net

             "All the Universe, or nothing!" - H. G. Wells

        EJASA Editor, Astronomical Society of the Atlantic
From: scrotch@carson.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre)
Subject: where is GARY?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:34:53 GMT

where are you gary?  it's been a while.
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:43:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16082@mindlink.bc.ca>, Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) writes...
>Yep, I want in on this too.  :)  I'll bet that Mars turns out to be exactly
>what we think it is--a big hunka dusty rock.  A face on Mars is like the man
>in the moon.  All imagination but no tinkerings of a long dead race.  I'll
>bet 100 kugerands (however you spell it) :-)
>Colleen

Colleen,
  You might want to change your bet from Krugerands. Remember that they
are made of Gold and, while illegal in the U.S., are going for upwards
of $100+ American dollars on the open market.
  Just imagine a bit of A.C. Clarke here for a moment. What better way
for some spacefaring society to know when to check among the billions
of stars in the galaxy than to leave a beacon in the form of some en-
ticing figure on a neighboring planet to one likely to develop some
form of intelligent life. If the race survives long enough to develop
through its' childhood to start exploring space and discovers the bea-
con left behind then this hypothetical spacefaring race would know it
was time to pay a return visit. If the beacon was never activated then
there would be no loss beyond a little bit of time and technology left
behind.
						For considerations,
							Jim
======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
======================================================================
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:7267 sci.skeptic:17679
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:21:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Chipster,

tlhIH no' Sop pom! Soh He' parHa'lam paSlogh. 

Rod


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:27:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <92285.233634JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu>

Dear Fellow Travellers: It's good to hear that this group has not
lost their sense of humor. 
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:26:01 GMT

In article <92285.150726RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>someone said, "it doesn't really matter that the scientists of columbus'
>time thought that the earth was round.  what about the common people and
>the common sailors?" or something like that, probably horribly paraphrased.
...
>i guarantee that there is no sailor who is a member of the flat earth
>society, whether he has sailed around the world or not.

Maybe not today...  Remember, anything can be explained away by
positing the existence of a God who gets his kicks by deceiving us.

Decartes proved the impossibility of this, but that was after Columbus's time.

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Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:7344 sci.skeptic:17802 alt.folklore.urban:25418
Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 15:07:26 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
 <1992Oct6.230419.3026@odin.corp.sgi.com> <bosullvn.718656190@unix1.tcd.ie>
 <1992Oct11.023854.6339@hfsi.uucp>

someone said, "it doesn't really matter that the scientists of columbus'
time thought that the earth was round.  what about the common people and
the common sailors?" or something like that, probably horribly paraphrased.

anyway, i can't speak for the common people, but ask any sailor about
the fact that sails appear on the horizon before the ship carrying them
does.  then ask him why that is so.

i guarantee that there is no sailor who is a member of the flat earth
society, whether he has sailed around the world or not.
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 2-mile long gun
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:24:51 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I read about this recently in an issue of DISCOVER magazine.  Although it is
not Scientific American it does give a bead on what's happening in science.
I don't have the article in front of me but I believe the gun is an
experiment an alternate propulsion that would be less exhaustive than using
the fuel now used send shuttles etc. out of Earth's atmosphere.  (Sorry for
the longwinded rambling style of this post).  I believe the gun is totally
experimental at this stage and would not have the mechanism to shoot
accurately so much as propel.  Don't flame me on this, I'm going from memory.
;-> Colleen.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:35:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.023440.4714@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.185033.9039@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
>>About 6 months ago I started getting interested in abductions. I
>
>Yeh, well JW has about 30 years on you...
>

What? I was talking about abductions of real people not Astral Abductions.
My guess is that he is probably still wet behind the ears when it comes
to standard reality which he so seldom thinks about...and thats his 
business. I am not worried about him. I am only wanting to get the
fantasy away from the (possibly) non-fatastic stuff. 

>>I am not interested in newage sewage, beings of light bullshit or
>>hot-tub heavy breathing. I am interested in real investigation and
>>informed opinions on the subject (that used to be at hand and is
>>implied in the newsgroup title) having to do with UFO sightings and
>>alien visitations, whether the latter means abductions, mutilations
>>or government conspiracies.
>>
>>This .sig was prepared by a professional editor. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.
>
>Doesn't sound very professional to me.

And you do? Sounds like you took this all pretty personal, meaning that
you feel a little twinge of accusation? Well, so be it. I am not interested
in pleasing anyone, only continueing my research in the most productive
way possible.

>
>DON'T assume to draw parameters for me or anyone else in this group. It
>is unmoderated for a REASON. I agree with some of what you said about
>wading thru people that are not serious about posting real information
>here, but don't be an ASSHOLE. 

I don't have to be an Ahole. You do a very good job for all of us. Please
don't stop. Not sure I could fill in for you in case of failure. Obviously
I have not had as much practice. 

>
>I, JW, GS, and anybody else who wants to share in a sincere way has
>a voice here.
>
>Jeff-
>
>(.sig-less and proud of it. Kids, go ahead and do this at home;-)
>

Kids, please, don't be an Ahole. Just because someone has an opinion
that conflicts with yours does not mean they are bad, just different.

Anyway, I did not accuse or flame anyone. You have unjustifiably proven
that YOU ARE AN AHOLE by flaming me for no reason. 

Gregg.
gvb@acd4.acd.com


-- 
Let the Greys come. If they are friendly, I will shake their hands and wax
their saucers. If they are not, I will do what I can to blow them off the
planet.
This .sig was prepared by a professional editor. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: bcushman@bagpipe.reed.edu (Ben Cushman)
Subject: Alien Races?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:56:53 GMT


Hello out there--

A while back I encountered a post on the various types of alien races that  
we know about.  Unfortunately, I lost my copy of this post.  If anyone has  
information detailing the various alien races, please e-mail it to me.

				Thank you--

					Ben Cushman
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Kevin Randle Comes To Denver
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:10:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > Do you have an ISBN number for the "...ROSWELL" book?

0-380-76196-3

--  
Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Use of 2-mile gun
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:17:17 GMT

In article <Eer7_vC00WBOM4_qQm@andrew.cmu.edu> Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>or how about just shooting the junk towards the sun, and that way the
>the material won't be just floating around in space and the sun will get
>fed and will properly dispose of the waste.
>

Getting something into earth orbit may be pushing things, I do not think
anything discussed could impart enough energy to hit the sun, or get
close enough to vaporize anything.

Rich

payner@netcom.com