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From: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer )
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: no fear
Date: 8 Jan 1993 05:12:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

There have been some postings on here about things to fear
during oobe's, namely nasty entities.  One should remember
that evil gets its power from one source: fear.  Evil warps
energy through fear, anger, and apathy.
 
Love transcends all fear, all anger, all apathy.  Love is
pure energy.  Love is the source.   Hook into the source.
Fear nothing, hate nothing, and above all care.
 
Fear no evil,  resist no evil, transcend all evil.  Believe
in Love; Hope in Love; Love.  Pure energy.  Boundless.
Indominable.
 
Passion shaped by compassion.  Empathy.  Giving and Forgiving.
 
Glenn                               glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Experience
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:34:08 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington



Please post your "blindfold" technique for oobe.

Sounds like you are working with the hypnopompic state of
consciousness.

I just received the book _Hypnagogia_ by Andreas Mavromatis.
This is an incredible resource of this very profound and
useful state of consciousness;  borderland state, etc.  Very
useful for dream re-entry (as I have been doing) fully
conscious as in lucid dreaming which can be a particularly
rich state to develop for inducing an oobe.

Happy travels!

Michael J Shea
M
From: puc@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bernard Puc)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Projection... How to do it?
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:14:00 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

> 
>Mass does not just "go away" without a tremendous release of energy, and I mean
>TREMENDOUS, as in your town is no longer on the map.
> 
obviously.  but the idea is that something left the body not that the
mass disappeared.
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Projection... How to do it?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 20:31:58 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <1if4paINNbh3@travis.csd.harris.com>, kbeal@amber (Ken Beal) writes:
>org4688@zeus.tamu.edu wrote:
>: My relative who had this experience said that a study was made to determine
>: the exact time a person died (that is the study gathered data on a persons
>: brain patterns , heart patterns etc... while she/he was in the process of
>: dying.).  However, in the process they found that when a person died the 
>: person at the time of death lost about 1/4 th of a pound of mass.  Whether
>
>Hmm.  This sounds interesting; do you have a reference for it?  I'm 
>wondering what kind of controls they had on the experiment as well.  For
>instance, if they did not keep the person on a scale >while< they died,
>instead weighing them before and after, the lost mass could be a result
>of sphincter muscles letting go.
>
>I'm also interested in a FAQ or perhaps an ftp site of oob info/experience.
>
>Ken "The Skeptic" Beal
>--
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>"I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!" - MST3k  | Learn.  Keep moving.
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Mass does not just "go away" without a tremendous release of energy, and I mean
TREMENDOUS, as in your town is no longer on the map.

   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca (Bill McKinnon)
Subject: Re: voices
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:36:28 GMT

> 
> I am currently of the opinion that is our sub-consious creation that makes
> it feel that things like this are happening.  Another theory I have heard is
> that in that trance like state, u can "hear" spirits, etc.  But this theory
> is just a fantasy, and shud be left as such, until we can come up with some
> proper evidence.
> 
> I was just curious what the other folkx have to say to this.
> 
> Kumar
-- 

	Myself, I experienced similiar things, even as far as seeing a person
clearly but as though it was a faded image in my apt for a while (ie
I could see right through him/it).  I got used to them pretty quick and
when I did they stopped bothering me completely. (btw the image i saw was when
i was not even remotely near the obe state.  It came after a few excursions.
But nonetheless I'm not bothered anymore.


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From: wbb@duke.cs.duke.edu (William)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Near-Death Experiences
Keywords: Interviewing subjects of near-death experiences
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:00:58 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.



	Are there people out here reading this who have had near-death
experiences? I am referring to the sort where people suffer clinical
death, and return with memories of encountering people or having
journeyed into some other state.   If so, my wife is interested in
interviewing them for a cultural anthropology research project.

	My apologies if this isn't the right group for this; looking
through my newsreader led me to post to this group as the closest
alternative.  If there are other groups or mailing lists which may be
more appropriate, I would appreciate a pointer to them.

	Thanks,

	Boyce
From: jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Wow, I just had my first OOBE!
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:07:47 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

Hi folks,

Earlier tonight, after reading this newsgroup, I went to bed and decided
to try out this oobe business.  I tried to relax myself and let things
flow, so to speak, with an ever-so-gentle suggestion towards an oobe.
Well, nothing much happened unfortunately, so I figured I needed more
practice and decided to try again tomorrow night.  However, later on
(I figure it was about 30 minutes later, considering the time now) while
I was semi-asleep (I guess), I felt this MASSIVE accumulation of energy
throughout my body.  It felt kind of like a jet engine revving up.  I
don't know about objective time, but it felt like this went on for about
1 to 1.5 seconds and then a whole lot of sensations followed:  The energy
peaked, then I "felt" myself turning over in bed and "detaching" from the
body, followed by an almost instantaneous WHOOSH whereby I "took off"
upwards at an incredible speed.  The closest analogy I can think of is
like the Millenium Falcon in Star Wars which revs up and then takes off
straight up very fast.

Well, since the initial sensing of energy, I was very much aware of what
was going on and, man, I was scared stiff.  I wanted this oobe, but I was
also chicken when it finally happened.  Unfortunately, the chicken part
of me won out this time and I summoned myself back to the physical body
to rejoin.  I felt the slight jarring sensation at the moment of rejoining,
and then woke up.  Initially I felt a little tired from the experience,
but after a couple of minutes, I felt totally fantastic and rejuvenated.
This is all the more remarkable because for the past couple of days I have
had this miserable cold/flu and been feeling very tired and groggy.  In fact,
I went to bed early tonight for precisely that reason.  Right now, however,
I feel great...

I will definitely try this stuff again.  Maybe again tonight...

Jabir
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Subject: Re: OOBE: How? Why?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:08:17 GMT

Original Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On Sat, 26 Dec 1992 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

Original-Sender: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
>
> Stephen,
>      Some good questions there.  I won't get into the theological side of
> things, but from an evolutionary standpoint it seems that we have the
> ability because it's useful, because it's an advantage in some way....
>      Of course, that's wide open to attack, the best being "Well, if i4's
> useful then why can't we _all_ do it?  If being able to scout out new
> territory without physical risk is an ability that showed up somewhere
> long ago, then why didn't that particular family/tribe prosper?  (Likewise,
> if one individual or clan could "fetch" fruit or small animals without
> touching them, why didn't they become the dominant gene pool?)
>      I don't know.  The hardest part is to make the explanation satisfy
> the fact that very, very few people can do it well and reliably.... <shrug>
>
> Dave

Not that I'm an expert on OOBEs or anything, but my thoughts lead me to
believe that all of these concepts (what's referred to as "supernatural")
were common to very many people, if not everyone, long ago.  As
"technology" developed--even such things as the wheel--people stopped
using their abilities and started to depend upon the material items,
thereby forgetting after many generations how to use those abilities.
I think it's time to remember...and I think we are.


Steve






Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: an4729@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Was I close??
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.out-of-body
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:40:25 GMT

In <Pine.3.03.9301081140.C17330-c100000@cs.uwp.edu> cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui wrote:
>Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
>On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:
>> Original-Sender: u912078@daimi.aau.dk (S|ren Erland Vest|)
[...]
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Last night, I decided to have a go at some relaxation tecnics. I have before
>> tried to go oob, without much luck, mainly because I was trying too hard, I
>> think.
[...]
>>
>> What happened was this: I lie down, and begin to relax. I close my eyes, and
>> start taking deep breaths. I focus on my breathing, and begin to feel relaxed.
>> After some time, I start to feel this tingling all over my body, as if some-
>> body pricked me with tiny needles, except that it doesn't really hurt. After a
>> while with this, it starts coming in waves, bigger and bigger. OK, I think,
>> this is fun. Suddenly my muscles start acting like I was having cramps, and
>> the whole world start turning, like in four(?) dimensions. Then it felt like
>> my body sort of exploded, an expansion so instant, that I didn't feel it
>> coming. Then I got this floating feeling, like something was trying to lift
>> me of the bed, but the instant that I started floating, something bigger came
>> around kicking me right back on the bed. I snapped out of it, and couldn't
>> move. I think it took around five minutes before I was able to move. Kind of
>> scary if you want to hear my opinion.
[...]
>
>That tingling you feel, as I know it, is the energy that flows through
>everything--if you follow.  Your astral body is pure energy, or as close to
>pure energy as we've come thus far.  You can control that energy just by
[...]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

I've got a better idea of what happened... the same thing *I* did when I
first tried this type of baloney:  hyperventilation.  You don't have to
breath so *deeply* to relax, y'know.  Even SLOW, deep breaths will be too
much for your system if you breath too deeply.  Remember:  RELAX.
The idea is *not* to find out how far your lungs can stretch.

I figured out what was really happenning when my dad taught me how to hold
my breath (perl-diver style) and I took it a step too far.
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From: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>
Subject: Re: BODY POSITION and SLEEP PARALYSIS
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:09:37 GMT

Original Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

Original-Sender: Steve Itzenhuiser <cs.uwp.edu!itzenhui>

On Sun, 27 Dec 1992 OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us wrote:

> Original-Sender: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
>
> In <BzunCu.2o1@newsserver.technet.sg> dbsbanka@solomon.technet.sg
> 	(Teo Pit Koon) writes:
>
> > ...
> > 	For the sake of discussion/arguments, let us consider that there
> > are two types of "paralysis" condition (goodness knows how many more types
> > there may be :-)).
>
> > 	The first type, known as type A paralysis, is a condition encountered
> > when approaching a deeper layer of consciousness from a light trance state,
> > in the performance of magick, OOBE, LD etc.
>
> > 	The second, type B paralysis, is the reverse of type A, in that it
> > happens during the return home to physical reality, assuming, of course,
> > the experient has a physical body to return to in the first place :-)...
>
> Just a note to suggest that discussion of OBE experiences be at least cross-
> posted to the "alt.out-of-body" newsgroup.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Gary

I've heard that this paralysis is merely the astral body in close proximity
to the physical body.  The closer one's astral body is to the physical
body, the harder it is to move.  Something to do with getting in and out
of the body that the astral body is confined to "hold the shape" of the
physical body.  As you drift or move away from your physical body, you
become more free to move.

	Kind of hard to explain, but I think you should understand.

	Does anyone have any more ideas on this, or any more help in my
	explanation?

Steve
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:07:49 EST
From: Senthil Ramas Kumar <SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: WARNING!!!

Frankly, I find such stories very amusing.  I am sure, OOBE is fraught with
dangers, but inducing paranoia into pple is just nonsensical.

Further, I think, it will be better to understand the supposed causes of
fear rather than to shrink away from them.  Why do we really need a shield
when we go oobe ? From what I have read, it seems as if we indeed go oobe,
unconsiously many times, when we sleep.  I am sure, in those instances, we
dont unconsiously put a shield around us, evrytime, we intend to take off.
If not then, then why do we really need it, when we consiously project.

Well, in any case if the supposed silver cord does get cut off, we are dead,
end of the story :) *grin*

Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams
From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: OOBEs & dreams about dead people
Followup-To: alt.out-of-body
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:41:08 GMT

Although I can't say that I've actually had a full-fledged out-of-body
experience, I have three times felt as if I were somehow escaping my body
for a time.  In all three cases, this happened during a lucid dream which
involved a ghost, or at least the idea of a dead person.

This is what generally has happened each of the three times:

   I'm in the middle of some dream (the most recent one--last night-- was
definitely partially lucid) and for some reason I come in contact with evidence
of someone that I know is dead in real life. Last night it was my dog Sally,
who died a few years ago. The time before that, it was my dead grandmother. The 
first time, it was someone/thing I didn't know, but I knew it was a ghost.

Anyway, the moment I realize that the person (or dog!) is dead, in my dream
I suddenly get very scared; it's as if I am shocked to make the realization.
I then get a creepy feeling of shivers, which then magnify right into the
"vibes" and paralysis that everyone talks about. Then the out-of-body part
starts.

The first time, I was totally scared shitless and tried crying for help. 
Everything that happened was completely out of my control. After this, I posted
here and got some suggestions and hints about how to control such experiences.

The second time, I wasn't as scared, but the episode didn't last long enough
for me to apply the techniques discussed here on the net.

Last night, I consciously tried the "roll off the bed" technique, and I'll
be damned if it didn't work! I really felt like I was flying and moving all
over the place. The only problem was that I could hardly see anything. I
could sort of see outlines of things, but I couldn't really tell where I
was. Some people here have talked about having heightened senses, but mine
were just about useless. I think I saw my arms and legs, but things faded
away after that. But this was definitly the most concrete experience of
the three that I've had.

Anyway, sorry for the rambling nature of this post, but I was wondering if 
anyone else had noticed a connection between their OOBE-ish events and dreams
about ghosts or dead people. 

I welcome any comments! Thanks for reading,

Matt
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: rservant@zeno01.math.UWaterloo.ca (Ron Servant)
Subject: Personal experience
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: inet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:32:21 GMT


When I was about 3 years old I remember floating out of my body 
and being able to look down into the room I was sleeping in.
I stayed up near the ceiling for I don't know how long but it was quite
exilerating.  I know what your saying 'if he was only 3 how could he remember this?'


Well I really don't know, but it is the most vivid memory I have of 
my childhood.  What I am wondering is whether anyonbe else has had
this kind of experience and tell me more about it.

I would like to acheive this state again if possible, except this time
when I have control of what I am doing.
From: gobbi@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Michael Gobbi)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: OOBE -- Whodunit?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:28:24 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: gdss.commerce.ubc.ca

I am not trying to get flamed with this post, nor am I trying to offend  
people.  No doubt there are those who consider my questions akin to  
suggesting that Christ did not exist, but if you are in this camp please  
humour me.

I've noticed in many of the threads that people who give advice attach to  
the end of their posting a caveat implying their lack of direct  
experience.  For instance,
> Anyways, who really knows?  A little caution can't hurt, but let's not
> get paranoid about it.  I am certainly looking foreward to any oob
> experiences that I may have.
                     ^^^
How many of those who speak knowledgably about OOBE's are speaking from  
*personal* knowledge, as opposed to simply repeating something they have  
read in books?  I note that some people *are* speaking from personal  
experience:
> I have yet to be able to touch the cord. I never conciously imagine a 
> "SHIELD", such as many people suggest, and so far I'm fine.
but I wonder what percentage of the posters fall into this category.

For the sake of argument, I am going to divide OOBE's into two categories:   
Those during which the traveller can visit areas of the tangible world,  
and those in which the journeys are in restricted to "other realms".  Most  
of the discussions I have seen have only been about "other realm" OOBE's  
or else did not specify the type -- are there any individuals on the net  
who have had "real world" OOBE's?  (I ask this because I cannot think of  
any way of distinguishing an "other realm" OOBE from hallucination, while  
the "tangible world" OOBE's may be put to empirical tests and thus  
interest me much more)  (And please don't cite the similarities of  
experience as a support for the non-hallucinatorialness of "other realm"  
OOBE -- there may be brain structures which, if activated, produce the  
same type of hallucination in all humans).

If there is anybody out there who has "real world" OOBE's (preferably ones  
that they have reality-tested) could they post their techniques?  I am  
curious about whether the two experiences are approached in the same way  
(as well as a certain amount of curiousity about whether anybody has "real  
world" OOBE's or whether they are purely a hearsay phenomenon).

Again apologies to any who feel that I am stepping on their toes with this  
post; I do not mean to offend.

--
     __    In quest of knowledge...
    /..\      <gobbi@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca>
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Newsgroups: alt.bacchus
From: kmcgee@deneb.csustan.edu (Kevin McGee)
Subject: Pffffft.
Organization: CSU Stanislaus
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 09:02:51 GMT

Okay, so nobody gives a rat's ass about Bacchus.

Well, neither do I.  So pfffft.
Newsgroups: alt.bacchus
From: wbg@mtek.com (W. Brewster Gillett)
Subject: Re: Pffffft.
Reply-To: brew@mtek.com
Organization: MTEK International, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:19:00 GMT

kmcgee@deneb.csustan.edu (Kevin McGee) writes:

>Okay, so nobody gives a rat's ass about Bacchus.

>Well, neither do I.  So pfffft.

Speak for yourself. a.b has now & then been a source of information and
entertainment for those who worship at the altar of grape-based adult
beverages, their care and feeding, etc......
 
If this is an interest of yours, we would welcome your contributions.
Even if it isn't, flail on anyway. I particularly enjoyed the contorted
Bill The Cat pose you managed to twist yourself into to deliver that
immortal BTC comment... 

In vino veritas,

Brewster

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and
hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series
of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -   H. L. Mencken
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Newsgroups: alt.bacchus
Subject: A Dionysus by another name...
From: kmcgee@deneb.csustan.edu (Kevin McGee)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:03:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

Rah rah rah, Bacchus!
From: mike@mik.uky.edu (Mike Mattone)
Newsgroups: alt.stupidity
Subject: Re: Facts do not exist...
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:13:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1993Jan11.092929.4042@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg  
(brett mcinnes) writes:
othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg  writes in soc.culture.asean
: 
: Facts need not be 100% accurate because there is no such thing.

You state that as if it were a fact that facts facts do not exist.  The  
proper thing to say would be "Facts MAY not exist."  Which, of course,  
means that they might (in fact) truly exist.  Oh, to hell with it; now I'm  
confusing myself...
From: jh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: alt.stupidity
Subject: Re: narcissus seeks friend
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:17:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <1993Jan11.074333.12858@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (brett mcinnes) writes:
> : in alt.personals ap.233@cupid.sai.com writes:
> : >
> : > I'm blond, blue eyes, 5'9", 150lbs and 28. 
> : > Seeking same.

I'm dark, brown eyes 2'3" 20lBs and 234. Seeking sanity. :-)
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