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From: godura@thorin.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Bekel bela, Theker somoai
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:57:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.022557.19338@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> akash@aura.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande) writes:
>In article <dbose.726369561@khamsin.aem.umn.edu>, dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>|> nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
>
>immensely enjoyable dialogues deleted. i've been a closet bangla, maybe now
>i'll start speaking!
>
>|> >(Please contribute)
>
>tumi shobai ekto kaj korte paro---star the tea and look at the stirs :-)

Don't heart my hurt like that.
I have a better solution.
Laite aas go feel the cool bridge obhaar the Howrah breeze.
Goruda.
>
>... back to regular programming.
>
>-Akash

-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
From: vidynath@math.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Article 30 of the Indian Constitution
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:10:16 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

There must be a group (misc.*.legal?) where this must be cross-posted but
my trn refuses list any such group

In article <1iqd0jINNb6e@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>It must be noted here that the 9th Amendment here has almost NEVER been used
>by the Supreme Court to protect anyone's right.

Under what law was the restriction of sale of contraceptives found to be
unconstitutional? (I believe that this was either Grunwald vs Connecticut or
a decision which overturned it.)  What is all the brouhaha over the
"penumbra" of constitutionally protected rights?

>it is very difficult to define what they mean by  "rights not enumerated" in
>the Constitution. 

That is the common complaint of the right wing, but that has not stopped the
Warren and Burger courts.

Ninth amendment was passed for one reason: There were fears that the rights
not listed in the other amendments forming the Bill of Rights might be taken
away. This was to allay those fears. Any right that the "common law"
allowed would then be protected. I am not a constitutional lawyer, so I
don't know the history of the interpretation of the Ninth amendment.

>In the US, the building of parochial institutions is protected by the First
>Amendment ("Congress shall make no law... prohibiting the free excercise [of
>religion]"). 

My questions are "Should India have such a provision in its constitution?"
"Why should the right to establish and run such institutions be limited
to minority religions?" and "Does Secularism mean equal de facto protection of
religions or not?" I am still waiting for the answers.



-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (nowhere_man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bekel bela, Theker somoai
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:31:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

My God! Samit and Deb got  married?? that explains a lot.. why they
get outraged so easily...ta shomitaboudi aar debiboudi ki khub kasto
dichche??? swabhabik, ei innumerable debarkul er theke lukie rakhle
aar ki habe?  niden pokhkhe rosogolla to chaiii chai!!!!!


Arindam, are u sure u are not mistaking? 'coz i dont ever seem to have
any Save Calcutta List!!!! How about the doing the following things?


  1.dethrone 'granddaddy of all communists' jyotibabu .
    and invite prince charles to take over (too bad lady di is living
separately, o/w it would have been good, no???;-)..since we do not
have 'ANY ALTERNATIVE'..:)
    okay.. okay .. cool down you REDS.. the chairman of china could be
    prince charles's deputy :-)

  2. Run more train/buses to and from Calcutta/KGP so that junior
M------s have a easier life.. also we should make 3 more victoria
memorials (hmm actually a bahai temple lik ethe lotus temple in delhi
wont be bad), 2 more lakes and at least 1 more jhilmil for the M------s


Happy magibazing though (when u get back to calcutta in spring!)

  Sayan(was it you who wrote about blue lagoon and JU coffee house?),
yes.. nostalgia...also Tapanda'r  'parota'r dokan near the Rt 9 bus
stand? or the jalajog near the only store (at our time, near JU) with
cannon copiers? later Rana's near JU police station?
I agree, blue lagoon was a little over priced....

 Deepu sona, tumi be' kolbe???? beth beth!
 khub bhalo katha, kintu bhai khistita ektu na komale je problem
 ache.. oi khistir bhoi ei civil aar mech er cheleder kach theke
 meyera dure dure thakto...ahaaa amon je meyer naam chilo chumki, taar
 naamta ora ki kore cherediechilo mairi...

koire keu achis?? ek packet philter hueels die ja..
From: surendra@plsparc.UUCP (Surendra Goel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ms. Sarina (Verma) Sharma's horrifying story
Keywords: Sharma, Marriage, Divorce, Indian, Verma, Sarina, Ravindra
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:51:06 GMT
Organization: Personal Library Software Inc., Rockville MD


Hi Netters,

Did anybody watch the horrifying story of Ms. Sarina (Verma) Sharma on
IPN's IndiaVision program last Saturday? Here is the story of Sarina as
she described in her interview on IndiaVision.

This is story of Ms. Sarina Verma, a 21 old girl from Ahemdabad and
Mr.  Ravindra Sharma, an engineer with Intel Corp. in Portland,
Oregon.  Mr. Sharma went to India in search of an Indian bride just to
please his parents and selected Ms. Verma as his bride. Ms. Verma and
Mr. Sharma had many hours of discussions on various topics before they
agreed to accept each- other as their life-partners (as believed in
India). Ms. Verma had asked Mr. Sharma if he had or has any other
relationship or if he is being forced by his parents to get married.
Mr. Sharma said that he has decided to get married to an Indian girl by
himself and has no relationship with any other girl.  Ms. Verma had no
doubt that Mr. Sharma is the one she has been waiting for. Her parent
also liked Mr. Sharma. On request from Mr. Sharma's parent in the night
of 21st Oct, Ms. Verma was married to Mr. Sharma on Oct 22, just in a
day's notice. Ms. Sharma spent most pleasant time in India with Mr.
Sharma and his family.
 

Came the day when she arrived in USA. In short she was told by Mr.
Sharma on the day of her arrival in the USA that getting married to her
was a mistake.  He is in love with another American girl (Ann ???)  and
can not love Ms. Sharma.  He want divorce. Ms. Sharma asked him that
why he did not tell her about Ann when she asked him in India. Mr.
Sharma told her that he had decided to forget about Ann before he left
for India in search of the submissive Indian girl. It was the most
logical decision not to tell you about Ann because I had decided to
marry an Indian girl. Ms. Sharma does not want to go back to India
because she can not face her parents grief and the society. IndiaVision
has not told the complete story yet.


How do you feel about the whole story? Is there any Indian or American
Organization who can help her?  

-- 
Surendra Goel (surendra@pls.com)
Personal Library Software, Inc.  2400 Research Blvd. Suite 350, Rockville, MD 20850   Phone: (301)926-1402 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: What is HINDU? Sickness of Castism!!!
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:56:12 GMT

Lots of "sick" people in (from) India still talking about
Castes and stuff (Ref: Chandals and their conversion
to Islam). At least Islam treats everyone equal (well
in theory). I loathe to use word Hindu in religious context.
Anyone whole lives in India is a Hindu, period. Sometime
also called Hindi ("Hum Hundi, Hindustan hamara"). The
sickess of caste system should be removed from all, even
if we have "kick" some butts.
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Censorship and Internet (Re: Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:55:40 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <C058AM.6GH@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao) writes:
>
>[...]
>>If some one [...] uses uncalled for vulgarity, save it,
>>send it to the system administrator of the poster and demand action. If none
>>is forthcoming, pursue the matter with the ompudspersons' office at the
>>institution.
>[...]
>
>Most universities in the U.S. contractually protect their students
>freedom of speech (including vulgarity).

My original posting has been edited to remove mention of slanderous material.

Let me give an anolog: Pretend that I have just entered my office and see my
filing cabinet ransacked with the files all over the floor. I say "What the
@#$%&* happened here", most would simply ignore it. (Some don't but that is
a different story.) Now suppose that you are a particulary cantankerous
student in my class and I call you "You @#$%&* fool". How much protection
you think I will get under freedom of speech?

Every university that provides access to means of distributing information
takes on legal responsibility to deal with slander, malicious information
and the like. No contract between its students and itself can remove that
legal liability. Get any single university to officially release the
following statement: "This university believes that all speech should be
protected. So, we will indemnify all our students and employees against all
charges of slander, harassesment or spreading malicious information. This will
apply to activities carried out using university property but not due to
activities required by the universities." Good luck.
-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Re: Sameet's Hypocracy
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:59:23 GMT

I find this stuff hard to believe.  Let's have some proof, please!


[] Regards,   | Industrial    :      _________ ___________ ___________
Aayush Asthana| Technology    :    /___   ___//___    ___//___    ___/
aa@iti.org    | Institute     :   ____/  /___    /  /    ____/  /____ 
(313) 769-4652| Ann Arbor, MI :  /__________/   /__/    /___________/
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From: dea@jec315.its.rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Subject: BBC News, 10am:  RIOT continues in Bombay & Ahmedabad
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:49:42 GMT

Source: BBC World Service 
Time: 10am EST, January 11,1992
Country: India

*** Communal violence continues in Bombay and Ahmedabad


Communal violence continues in Bombay and Ahmedabad with
rioters fighting running battles with the police. 
Further deaths were reported in both cities with the 
death toll now over 150 since last week.

The riot situation in Bombay is reported to have worstened
over the weekend with more incidents of arson and looting.
It is reported that the riot has now also spread to the 
western part of the city. Thousands of Muslims are reported
to be fleeing the city on trains. 

BBC reporter in Delhi, Satish Jacob reports that additional
troops and paramilitary forces are arriving in the city. 
The defence minister Sharad Pawar on a visit to Bombay talked
to reporters in the city. He said the military has been 
ordered to quel the riot as quickly as possible. He also said
that there would soon be a change in the situation. 

Mr. Pawar admitted that the credibility of the government 
has been eroded by the conditions leading to the destruction
of the mosque at Ayodhya. 

Curfew was relaxed in Bombay today for 2 hours but violence
erupted immediately.


****  First 1 day  match against England postponed

Because of the riots in Ahmedabad, the 1st one day international
cricket match between India and touring England side has been 
postponed. The second match is scheduled to be played in 
Jaipur.


Anirban De
dea@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Subject: Re: MR Scindia escapes attack
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:49:40 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Keywords: Scindia Radicals Hindu Suspected

|apnews reports:
|	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ Suspected Hindu radicals attacked a
|train carrying a prominent government minister who escaped unhurt,
|news reports said Sunday.
|	   Madhav Rao Scindia, the minister for civil aviation and tourism,
|was the apparent target of the attack, which occurred Saturday in
|Agra, 105 miles southeast of New Delhi, United News of India news
|agency said.
|	   Scindia is a leading critic of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya
|Janata Party, which was blamed for urging Hindu zealots to destroy
|a Muslim shrine in the town of Ayodhya last month. The razing of
|the mosque triggered Hindu-Muslim rioting across India in which at
|least 1,200 people were killed.
|	   TV footage showed the train's windows were smashed during the
|attack, but it was not immediately clear what weapons the
|assailants used.

    Going by the congress culture and the type of propaganda they use
    against their opponent, most likely case is that this incident
    is cooked up by Mr. Scindia himself to create sympathy for congress
    and to villify BJP.

    Attacking a scumbag nuisance like M R Scindia BJP won't gain anything.
    The last thing BJP needs to create at this moment is a martyr out of
    an asshole like M R Scindia!!

    -jit

disclaimer: opinions are mine only.



--
From: vidynath@math.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Censorship and Internet (Re: Samit Banerjee and Ed Crick)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 23:12:10 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu


Please change all "Craig"s to "Carl"s.
-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: guest13@acsu.buffalo.edu (Javaid Aslam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: TORONTO AREA ROOM WANTED
Keywords: Toronto, room wanted
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:52:10 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: SUNY/BUffalo

Hello Toronto folks!
I am moving to Toronto area on Jan 17. Could somebody provide me
some information about the availability of a room. I plan to stay for 
about 6 months.

Any help however small will be appreciated.

Please email to guest13@eng.buffalo.edu

Thanks.
Javaid Aslam
716-688-9195
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Four People Burnt Alive in Renewed Clashes
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  8 JAN 93 13:27:15    


In article <1993Jan8.173155.23073@crd.ge.com>, srinivas@tachyon.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas) writes...
> 
> This is what your facistic dreams about so-called
> 'Hindu Rashtra' and 'Akhand Bharat' are going to lead
> the country to.
> 

	No. This is happening because GoI is following a 'confused' policy
	of pseodo-secularism. In Bharat rastra, there won't be any
	confusion or weakness on the part of Hindu rulers. Give them
	a chance, at least once and then blame.

	BTW, Cong(I) is the Govt of Maharastra. It is shameful and irony
	that you are pointing the blame somewhere else.
	
> Realise that people who got burnt alive are human
> beings just like any of you - it could have been
> any of us. It could have been your relative or
> your neighbor.
> 

	So what your powerful Cong(I) is doing about it. Jailing innocent
	BJP leaders? The party should be after real rioters.

> Is this the type of patriotism, religiousness,
> 'Indian culture and heritage' and civilization
> you guys want to aim for? 

	No. It is the shamful policy of psueo-secularists that is responsible
	for what is happening in the aftermath of mosque demolition.
> 
> And please do not even attempt to blame this incident
> on 'anti-social elements'.
> It's just that the people who committed these murders
> have shown in action what you guys say.

	saying or expression is no crime. Silent watchers in Power are the
	ones to be blamed for. We always believe in freedom of speech.
	Spent some of your time teaching other party to learn to listen
	to argument. If they can't, the truth has to be realized after
	arguments.

> You are the ones who moralized,legitmized,promoted and santized
> these actions. I hope you guys come to your senses, before it's
> too late. And stop this bullshit about 'Islamic oppression'
> and 'Hindu fear psyche'.
> 
>-srinivas.

	Yes, we are the one's. Only we have that kind of courage.

>Proud to be called a 'pseudo-secularist' by you guys
>than being called a 'patriot/secular' 
> 

	This is the whole problem with you. You want to fool people into
	believing you to be a secularist by siding with a community which
	cannot believe in comporomise. Compromise is another name for
	coexitence. The God of 'evil' (of our perception) is going to take
	care of it to bring the God of 'good' (of our perception). Who
	cares about your and mine ethical sense of 'goodness' or 'evilness'?
	Nature is at work. Let It do her work if Congress (I) can't.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: konkar@finch.stanford.edu (Ranjit Konkar)
Subject: Fundraising supper hosted by ASHA-Stanford
Reply-To: Ranjit Konkar <konkar@sunrise.stanford.edu>
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: soc
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:33:42


You are invited to an Indian supper at the Bechtel International
Center, Stanford University this Sunday, January 10 at 6:30pm. This is
one of the series of Sunday Suppers that the I-center hosts. Tickets
for the event cost $5 for Stanford students, $6 for others, and are
available at the I-center. Your attendance is especially solicited
because ALL the proceeds from the dinner go towards funding basic
education projects supported by ASHA* in India.

There will also be a movie at the I-center after the dinner. The movie
is `Passage to India'.

* an action group for education of the underprivileged in India
From: bkannan@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:29:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Dim Sum Lien writes:

>university.  But I think I know why these people always sad bad word to
>each other.  I think it is the religion in India that teach people to
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>be angry to one other.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        yeah, nice guess..

>Indian have hindu and muslim who always fight and kill one other.  No find
>peace.  Cannot have peace in hindu and muslim if they must always fight one
>other.  In China we have Buddhism teach us to be peaceful and respect one
>other.  We not use so much angry word against other Chinese.  Buddhism teach

       how about mass conversions of Indians to Buddhism?
       shd that ensure peace, we could even pay u for that :-)

>Buddha must leave India because he teach respect and peace.  Indian not
>listen to teaching and make Buddha leave.  If you not want peace you fight
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        oh yeah and whose teachings does the communist dictatorship          
        listen to???
           
>forever on net and in India.  Indian student should learn Buddhism.  Make
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        All India needs now, is Buddhist fundamentalism/radicalism....
        I mean, the picture will be complete!

>them fight less and work more in laboratory.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        Time you crawled back into your laboratory and stopped teaching
        us what Hinduism/Islam preaches....

>Dim Soon E. Lien

 bk

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From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Subject: Shoot at rioters when necessary orders in Bombay
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:26:48 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

apnews reports:
 BOMBAY, India (AP) _ Clouds of smoke from arson fires swirled
over Bombay and rioters shot from rooftops at police Saturday in
the country's latest violent clashes between Hindus and Muslims.
           At least 33 people were killed Saturday in the rioting. Soldiers
were ordered to shoot rioters if necessary in the western
industrial city.
           Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao cancelled plans to visit
Bangladesh and met with his Cabinet to discuss the renewed
religious strife, which first erupted after Hindu militants
destroyed a 16th-century mosque on Dec. 6.
           More than 1,200 people were killed across India in clashes
during the week after the mosque was torn down in Ayodhya, northern
India. Violence flared over the past few days after three weeks of
relative calm.
           Muslims in Bangladesh had also threatened to disrupt Rao's visit
to avenge the destruction of the mosque. He was to attend a
regional summit.
           At least 132 people have died and more than 400 were injured in
four days of rioting in Bombay and two other western cities,
according to police and news reports. Police Chief Shrikant Bapat
said 92 died in Bombay alone.
           On Saturday, 23 people were stabbed to death, 12 were shot to
death by police and one died in an arson attack in Bombay, said
Bapat.
           He denied news agency reports that the 2,000 army and
paramilitary troops deployed in the city were ordered to shoot
rioters at sight if they violated a curfew. Troublemakers would be
shot only if necessary, he said.
           Police fought gun battles with rioters who fired at them from
rooftops, and for the first time since the violence began following
the mosque's destruction, police were attacked with AK-47 assault
rifles, Bapat said.
           Many parts of Bombay were smouldering after arsonists torched
slums and houses, and for most of the day clouds of smoke swirled
in the sky. The city fire brigade received more than 210 reports of
fire, Press Trust of India said.
           People scurried in pollution-choked streets to catch the last
few night trains to the suburbs. One commuter said troublemakers
were trying to check if men were circumcised. Muslims, unlike
Hindus, are circumcised.
           In neighboring Gujarat state, at least 40 people were killed and
more than 200 injured in stabbings, fires and police shootings over
the past three days in the state capital Ahmedabad and another
city, Press Trust said.
           Many Hindus believe Mogul invaders erected the mosque after
razing an earlier Hindu temple marking the birthplace of the
warrior god Rama.
           The government seized the land around the mosque last week to
build a temple and a mosque. Hindus and Muslims alike have
criticized the plan.
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