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From: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: A clear rink?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:18:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr7.131854.27683
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com
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In article <1992Apr7.013330.25166@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>I remember seeing last year's NCAA phinal, and I noticed the bottom part
>of the boards were clear too!  What rink was this?  Also, is this unique
>to this rink?  I didn't think these types of rinks were allowed, because
>it would be hard to see the puck.
>--

That would be a rink in St. Paul, if I remember correctly.  There are
probably other rinks out there like it, but I don't know of any.
I would think such a rink *would* make it difficult to see the puck.
Perhaps the bright lighting of the arena can compensate for it.

BTW, *please* tell me that you spelled "final" as "phinal" on purpose!
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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: UD High Number set question
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:51:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr11.225111.20889
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


How much should a set of Upper Deck (91-92) High # factory cost?

I bought a set down town today, and I want to see if I got screwed over.
I got a box of UD (normal) for $29.95, and I guess that's a decent
price, but I want to see about the set.

I figure it might be kinda high because of all the potential of the
cards (esp. the World Jr. Championships.  My Pat Falloon card from UD
High # last year is worth a lot more money.)

(Besides buying the UD cards, I bought Cracker and They Might Be Giants
new album, so I'm at least 2/3rds happy with my purchases! (-:)
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: YES! Never was there a doubt in my mind.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:01:17 GMT

In article <9204110429.AA15426@skatter.usask.ca> gerry@SKATTER.USASK.CA (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:
>Now that we can get back to debating the real important issues, let me be
>the first to attempt to start the inevitable playoff flamewars. Without
>a doubt the 1992 Stanley Cup Champions will be...
>
>			THE MONTREAL CANADIENS.
>
>Let the Flames begin!!!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nah.  Let the Sharks begin. :-)

===============================================================================
Kansas City Blades for the Stanley Cup!
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Pat Falloon for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: The Shoes!  It had to be...
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 22:20:50 GMT

A while back, Anna Matyas made a post about a new line of "Kevin Stevens
athletic shoes".  The idea was that when you put them on, you lost your
ability to speak English, just like Kevin in nearly every interview to
date.  Well, since there's nothing better to do with my time hockey-wise
right now, I'd like to resurrect that thread with some new lines we
thought up while Anna was in New York a little while back.

Jay Caufield shoes:  You can't walk around in them without taking a swing
		     at somebody -- and missing!
Mario Lemieux shoes: When you bend over to tie them, you hurt your back.
Bob Probert shoes:   If you wear them to Canada, you can't come back.

And of course, in the spirit of the hockey strike, I've got to add:

Bill Wirtz shoes:    These would have to be something like ill-fitting
		     penny loafers, so we could call them "penny pinchers"
		     after dear old Bill.  Or perhaps putting them on gives
		     you an irresistable urge to drive around drunk...
From: ** Sender Unknown **
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL team leaders in +/-
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:28:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: sask.b992Aph.182829.1
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

1991-92 NHL team 
rs in +/- through Mar 31 games

Boston		Jim Wiemer	   D	+10
Buffalo		Pat LaFon/- F	+11
113Aliqvdom: Gary Roberts/- F	+27
Chicago		Jeremy Roenick	   F	+27
Detroit		Paul Ysebaert/- F	+41	(league leader)
Edmonton	Norm MacIver	   D	+20
Hartford	Mikael Andersson   F	+18
Los Angeles	Peter Ahola	   D	+11
Minnesota	Jim Johnson	   D	+10
Montreal	Brent Gilchrist/- F	+28
New JerseqvdoClaude Vilgrain	   F	+31
NY Islanders	Benoit Hogue/- F	+27
NY Rangers	Mark Hardqvdo   D	+32
Philadelphia	Mark Howe	   D	+17
Pittsburgh	Larry Murphy	   D	+34
Quebec		Mikhail Tatarinov  D	+ 9
St. Louis	Lee Norwood	   D	+13
San Jose	Dale Craigwell/- F	- 3
Toronto		Doug Gilmour/- F	+28
		Mike Krushelnyski  F	- 4	(Leaf for entire season)
Vancouver	Jyrki Lumme	   D	+25
Washington	Kelly Miller/- F	+24
Winnipeg	Teppo Numminen	   D	+13

11 of the 22 team 
rs are defencemen.
From: baumgart@masg1.epfl.ch (Marcel Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: SWISS hockey champion
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:34:41 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

-------------------------------------------------
           BERNE made it again!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------

For the 2nd consecutive year, Berne is Swiss hockey champion. The last game of
the playoff final in Fribourg in front of 7000 spectators saw a undoubtful 
victory of the Capital team. They won by 4-1 (1-1,1-0,2-0) without any problems.
It was the defense that made the difference. Fribourg wasn't able to create
dangerous occasions.
This marks the end of the most spectatular hockey season in Switzerland. The
quality of the games are on the highest level in Europe. And it's really 
spectacular.
Next date: the World Championships in Czechoslovakia. After the deception of 
the Swiss national team at the Olympics in Albertville, two new coaches have
to motivate the players to give their best against the world class teams from
CIE, Sweden, Finland, CSFR and (hope so) Canada (with or without NHL-players).





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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Re: Women's Team USA Roster (IIHF Championships)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:28:48 GMT


In a previous article, andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter) says:

>Cammi Granato          F     R     71     Providence/Downers Grove, Ill

Tony's sister?

>Kathy Issel            F     R     73     Michigan Capitals/Ann Arbor, Mich

What are the Michigan Capitals?  A Junior team?
If so,m what league?
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University of Michigan: Class of 1996
From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: When are playoff games?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:25:38 GMT
Distribution: bc
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr14.224741.12072@sol.UVic.CA> bgray@uglx.UVic.CA writes:
> I've tried to limit the distribution to bc, but...
>
> Does anyone know what the schedule is for the first round playoff games?  I
>know that the Canucks play their first two playoff games on the 18th and 20th,
>but when are the other games?

(Limiting didn't work.  <grin>)

You guys get the Jets/Canucks on the 18th and 20th, and then we get them
on the 22nd and 24th.  Assuming we haven't swept the series <big grin>,
you guys will have game 5 on the 26th, game 6 will be here on the 28th,
and game 7 would be played in Vancouver on the 30th.

    Daryl Turner <umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
      r.s.h contact for the Jets
>
From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick A. Furia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sherri's Spewing (WAS: Re: Another Lindros)
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:05:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr5.190512.12956
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <0dqr5pq00UhW05Rf9u@andrew.cmu.edu> cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl D. Lovejoy) writes:
>Vip? Writes:
>
>>As for not being prepared for life after hockey,  how would YOU respond to
>>someone coming to you at the age of 14 or 15 and saying, "In five years you
>>could be making $200,000 if you keep playing hockey."  Where would your
>>priorities be?  THe length of the players career would probably not even be
>
>Does this really happen in Hockey?  Are there low lifes in trench coats
>that cruise rinks looking for the next Lindros?  Some how I doubt your
>contention.  And besides even at 14 or 15 you can do simple math.  How
>many players are there in the NHL comapred to how many 14 or 15 year
>olds there are playing Hockey.  I still have very little sympathy for
>someone who is that deluded to think they are destined to make the big
>bucks, so they can ignore their education.  And besides what about their
>parents.
>
>carl

I think the people on this network are too smart for their own good.
Look, the 14 or 15 year-old is NOT going to think he'll have trouble
getting into the NHL when an agent tells him he's a natural.  The
parents?  The money could sound good to them too.  Wasn't it P. T.
Barnum who said "There's a fool born every minute"?  He was right.

Fred
From: aranta@milton.u.washington.edu (Aaron Ranta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kings vs. Canucks
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:44:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr16.162710.29874@mprgate.mpr.ca> harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison) writes:
>
>- NAH NAH NAH NAHHH    NAH NAH NAHH NAHHHHHH  WINNNNN EEEEE PEEEEEEGGGG
>  GOOOOOODDD BYYYYYEEEE (repeat chorus 20 times)
>

Hey, heh.  I have the Canucks version of that song from the '82 playoff run
on a record single ( anyone remember these? ) It has a picture of good old
King Richard on the sleeve, and brings back memories galore.

I think it's time we pulled it out of hiatus and tossed it on the turntable.


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From: dstein@luna.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: European league (was Re: NHLPA Voting Massively AGAINST Owners...)
Keywords: NHL strike, World championships
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 13:10:47 GMT

>OK, I imagine the league would look something like this:
>
>Country:     SWE  FIN  CZE  CIS  GER  SWI  ITA  NOR
># of teams:   4    4    3    4    2    2    1    1   = 21 teams
>
>How about the time schedule, would something like this be appropriate:
>September-December:    National leagues
>December-Mid December: National league playoffs
>January:	       World (Euro) championships  
>February-April:        Euro league
>April:                 Euro league playoffs

 Sounds good, with the exception that I would make regions from which a team
could qualify -- say NOR/GB/HOL/BEL instead just NOR, and the Alp league
(ITA/AUT/SLO?) instead of ITA.  The winners of the respective leagues would
play a quick play-off for the one spot.  So that any team can make it, at 
least theoretically.

>I'm not sure that this is necessary. If the teams are good enough to qualify
>for the Euro league then they can handle with the material they have.  
>Besides, some kind of national play must be ongoing while this Euro league
>is playing and I think the teams that didn't qualify for the Euro league
>would be po'ed if they lost their key players in the middle of the season.
>
>After all, there must be some national competiton, such as qualification for
>next year's Elitserie (in Sweden's case), during the Euro league.

  I understand your fears, especially after hearing about Bjorkhoven(sp?).
But remember that the idea is to LEND a player, not sell.  How will those
less rich teams keep the player anyway?  

  Also, a team with one/two great players is a great target for teams with
no such players -- an "accidental" injury in the hands of a brute could
shutter a player and his team.  In the European League, all teams would
have a number of talented players, and one injury would not be as dangerous.

  The club with one talented player may miss him during the Spring league
qualification, but they might get two solid players in exchange, which will
be less risky then using one talented player against a 2nd division team.
  And meanwhile the talented player could become real famous in Europe, and 
thus draw huge crowds and TV coverage the next season.

  Furthemore, I think many players would be much more willing to stay in
their "mother" clubs if they knew they will always get to play the Euro
league if they are good.  You see, its the idea that regionalism/integration
is possible and not a contradiction --  in hockey as much as in politics.



>>   They are only interested in money - and this might be good for a sport in
>>   the short term, but could be disastrous in the long term (see the NASL).
>>   
>>   Europe needs owners who love hockey _and_ love to make money.
>>
>>						- David
>>
>Bara mina 20 kronor.
>
>Staffan

   I only know the expression "Tre Kronor".  But let me guess: "Bara mina ..."
means "About 20 crowns"?  
(Funny, in Czechoslovakia we too pay with "koruna".) 

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From: hfrg@cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey money from Canadian TV
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:30:30 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Apr14.163905.3300@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
>
>In article <MduF4EK00WAuACeXxv@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Does the NHL get any revenue from Canadian TV? If not, I think the NHL
>>should attempt  to get more money from them considering hockey is the
>>equivalent of football and baseball  put together for Canada.

"Hockey Night In Canada", a production of the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation (CBC) does pay the NHL for the sole rights to distribute the
televised hockey games here in Canada. 

>
>Hey, what a great idea. How many Canadian dollars do you want? There's
>the blue ones and the green ones and the orange ones and the red
>ones...
>
>George
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How would like a looney instead? :-)

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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: Re: Calder 1992-93
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:46:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.193555.8547@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
> 
> I would think that if the Nords get some good players for Lindros, and can
> improve their team a bit for next year, Valeri Kamensky has as good a
> shot at it as Lindros.

I'd say Kamensky has a better chance than Lindros, but he's also 7 years older.
 
> Can anyone think of any other guys who might win the Calder next season?

My early prediction on the 1993 Calder race:

	1. Valeri Kamensky
		- 23 games played this season; 25 GP is upper limit
		- 26 years old at start of 92-93 season; 26 is upper limit
	2. Alexander Semak
		- 25 GP this season
		- 26 at start of 92-93 season
	3. Joe Juneau
		- 24 at start of 92-93 season

Longshots (in no specific order):	Lindros
					Evgeny Davydov	   Winnipeg
					Alexei Kovalev	   NY Rangers
					Vyacheslav Kozlov  Detroit
					Scott Lachance	   NY Islanders
					Vladimir Malakhov  NY Islanders
					Dimitri Mironov	   Toronto
					Shawn McEachern	   Pittsburgh
					Markus Naslund	   Pittsburgh
					Scott Niedermayer  New Jersey
					Michael Nylander   Hartford
					Trevor Kidd	   Calgary
					Felix Potvin	   Toronto

Chicago's Igor Kravchuk may also be eligible for the Calder, if he's no older
than 26 by Sept 15th.  Lindros' disadvantage is that he has to live up to his
reputation next season.

And you think this year's Calder race is tough!


Glenn
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:26:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.211313.29566@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:
>Dave, and the rest of you Adams division team fans (except for the Nords fans),
>It's not hard to make the playoffs when you have a team like Quebec in your
>division.  What's their road record? 1-29-8?  Hey, right now they're tied with
>the Caps road record of 74-75 in wins, 1.  
> 
>I find it disgusting that a team like Hartford, who was not on a 5 game losing
>streak, nor on a 10 game losing streak, but a 2 MONTH losing streak?  Come on!
>Any team in the Patrick's who would play that lousy would be out of the playoff
>race since around the halfway mark of the season!

OK, that's a good argument as to why Montreal has been over .500 every year 
since 1951.

Give me a break!  Do you think Montreal would have missed the playoffs
in another division?  Neither do I.   

>
>The reason that Montreal has such a great record is because they play Hartford
>and Quebec 8 times a year, and in the playoffs, the team that comes out of the
>Patricks will be exhausted!  The funny thing is that is what I am hoping for!

Montreal's record is so great because of Quebec and Hartford?
It COULD be greater because of them, but the Habs have a tough time against
those teams.  You're wrong (as usual), Tony.  Montreal has not won many
games against those 2 teams this season.  Most of their wins have been
against other BETTER teams.

>
>I think I said enough...  Any comments?  Suggestions?  Donations? :-)
> 

I think you said too much.   :-)

--Dave
From: jrmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Joseph R. Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:26:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <oyuyiB2w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>Rude remarks will not conceal your misguided insult of all Flyers fans, nor
>accomplish anything else other than make you look juvenile and obnoxious 
>before the whole net.  You're frantically trying to flee from the
>consequences of your poor judgement, which won't work.
>
>Apology, please.

Oh, drop it already.  You're starting to sound like a complete idiot with
your "apology please" bullshit!  Do you ever post an article directed at
a disagreeing party without demanding an apology?   Quit being a ridiculous.
Rick is entitled to his opinion, as are you.  Nobody owes anybody an
apology.  This is the net for Christ's sake.  Nobody owes you anything.
By my count this is the 6th time you've asked for an apology.  Your
arguing technique is getting boring.  In your attempt to act condescending
to Rick you are sounding like an idiot.  Get over it.

Dean

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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: No Anti-trust protection.. Big problem!
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:11:16 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.201841.27216@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>But theoretically, a draft should not exist.  Therefore, isn't the draft
>>then changing at the whim of anyone who threatens to sue?

>Yes.

Exactly. A couple of problems in practice (as opposed to theory): 1) anyone
who signs a professional contract becomes a signee of the CBA, and so
(albeit retroactively) agrees to the draft, and 2)anyone who has any hope of
being successful in a pro sport isn't going to start his career by suing his
prospective employers.

Of course, the few people in the NFL who DID look like they were going to
sue anyway got waivers right off the bat, so it's questionable whether a
lawsuit would really hurt. The owners seem to be willing to placate rather
than fight the issues (because they'd lose).

I expect that the new draft rules enacted by baseball this year over college
eligibility will, once and for all, resolve this problem, because they ARE
going to get sued, and they ARE going to lose the suit. Eventually. It won't
be without a number of bodies scattered across the battlefield, though (and
not all of them players). Why they did this is beyond me, but it'll have
ramifications for all pro sports.

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From: bralick@oberon.cs.psu.edu (Will Bralick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Adult hockey in the Dayton, OH area
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:47:17 GMT
Organization: Self-similar


Greetings.

I will be moving into the Dayton, OH area (actually, I am PCS inbound 
to WPAFB) at the end of this summer and am wondering whether there is 
organized adult hockey in the area.  Any information on area ice rinks 
and adult hockey especially on the NE side of Dayton will be _greatly_ 
appreciated (by me, but not by my wife :-).

Best regards,

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