From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (sundaram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:00:58 GMT
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In article <1992Sep4.153850.1194@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg
(TAN GIM WEE) wrote:
> 
> With reference to what Mr Joe said, I would like say that not all
> Chinese support China's policy on Tibet. As to his crazy idea that
> Americans should teach Chinese about the values in the Bill of Rights
> and stuff like that, I have the following to say.
> Yes, Americans have freedom of speech, AI and other things. But if I
> remember correctly, in the American constitution, something was said
> about inalienable rights, which include 'life, liberty, and the pursuit
> of happiness'. Mr Joe, I would like to ask you this: If all have the
> right to pursue happiness, why is there still a huge underclass in the
> US, esp amongst the Blacks and other minorities? What's the use of
> freedom of speech if you can't even have enough to eat? If a section of
> the population is deprived of the right to pursue happiness, doesn't
> that constitute a human rights violation? Why hasn't Amnesty
> International protested to the US Government about poverty in America?
> 'Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but pay no notice to the
> beam in your own eye'?
> What about the freedom of not being killed by stray bullets that result
> from gun battles that are none of my concern? Where I live, there is no
> chance of me being hit by a stray bullet while walking in the streets,
> and I like the feeling of being able to go everywhere I want with the
> knowledge that I will be safe.
> Speaking as a Chinese, I believe that we are a more pragmatic group of
> people. We understand our limitations, and that's why we don't say much
> about Tibet. After all, what the use of making so much noise when you
> don't have the power to change things?
> If I remember what I read from JS Mill, I believe that a central tenet
> of liberal thinking is that no one has a monopoly of what constitutes
> truth. If that's the case, it would seem very arrogant on the part of Mr
> Joe to claim that Chinese people know nothing about freedom and that
> only Americans can teach us such things.
> Mr Joe, surely you must have come across the phrase 'diff'rent strokes
> for diff'rent folks'.
> 
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Tan Gim Wee
> EE Dept, NUS
> internet: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg
> bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
> "Everything is possible for him who believes" (Mark 9:23)
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Oh Shit! What makes you think you're an  expert on Chinese affairs?
You are talking bull..man. Just because you are Chinese albeit from
Singapore doesn't give you the right to talk on behalf of mainland 
Chinese so shut the fuck up....We are not interested in your wanton
speculations. Don't get your heritage confused...buffoon. In the first
place, you are totally ignorant of Chinese history, secondly...Tibet is
not your concern but that of Tibetans living in China and that of the
ruling Chinese government. Don't try to make yourself appear more
important than you really are..moron.
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