HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush proves to be as spineless as her husband
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:04:35 GMT

gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:

>What has Barbara Bush done to hurt you? 

What do those who cheer at KKK rallies do to hurt us?

>Don't fault her for loving and supporting her husband. She's doing
>what she thinks is right, no matter if you agree with it or not.

Don't fault those women who went around plugging "Kinder, Kirche,
Kuche."  They were just going with what they thought was right.  Just
because they yelled "Heil" with the men doesn't mean we should think
they were bad or anything.

>Who are we to attack Barbara Bush? .... Anything she does as 
>first lady is her own choice.

And when "her own choice" involves telling America how evil we are,
you better damn well believe we'll bash back.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "I find your answers egregiously disingenuous."  --Aaron Freeman,
   black talk-show host, to a black Republican guest
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: tommin' it up
Summary: love me do
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:09:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug29.230901.15439
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots

in article <1992Aug29.214119.871@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu
(melinda shore, her harpy's talons outstretched) writes of a
poster i will call (for obvious reasons) tom:

 >[tom] has completely bought
 >into the notion that you're only entitled to your rights if 
 >you're popular, and he's asking you to buy into it, too.  He'd 
 >much rather participate in the marginalization of those who 
 >are different than put effort into ending it.  He thinks it's
 >politically important to be liked, as if there's a committee
 >out there who will protect his job, his housing, etc. if he
 >bends over really, really far and lets the bigots have their 
 >way with him.  

melinda hits two important points at once here, i think (and also
mixes in some gratuitous nastiness at the end...did you hear me say i
didn't *enjoy* gratuitous nastiness, in the right place?).  a personal
point: our own motss-toms want to be liked.  and a political point:
they think you can claim your rights if people come to like
representatives of your kind.

the personal point is simple enough.  i want to be liked, too.  i want
this a lot, i admit it.  (perhaps this is a character flaw, but there
it is.)  not at any cost, however.  if it comes down to it, i'd prefer
to be understood than to be liked.  i'd much rather do good deeds than
be known as someone with good intentions.  and i certainly don't want
to buy good feelings with my self-respect or my autonomy.  

i have to say that i don't fully understand the political point, at
least the way the motss-toms seem to understand it.  the formulation i
gave above is the best i've been able to do.  but, silly faggot that i
am, i don't see what claiming rights has to do with anybody's liking
anyone; as a matter of principle, if you have the rights you have only
to claim them, and as a practical matter, you can get your rights
through displays of power and determination, justifications from moral
principles and beliefs, and so on.  but by saying, "hey, you like
me, so would you please see to it that everyone like me has the
same rights that you have?"?  

melinda's formulation is even more hopeless (well, would you really
expect her to give a *generous* interpretation to this drivel?): "hey,
you like me, so would you give me the same rights that you have?"

this is so absurd you might as *well* offer your ass, as melinda
suggests.  you won't get any rights, but the two of you might
get some enjoyment out of the encounter.  well, if you don't care
who fucks you and what they're thinking when they do it.

arnold (so frustrated with this stuff he hasn't told a single story)
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black])
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:26:47 GMT

In article <92240.142823IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

|> has nobody out here ever plugged a watermelon?

Or been plugged by a cucumber?

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:56:11 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson):
> Do you want to kiss and make up?  Of course I'd let you reserve
> the right to think I'm a horrible, unfeeling, nasty piece of
> work from time to time if you'll let me think you're an immature,
> uncultured brat every now and then.  Is it a deal?

poor thing, your humor truly *is* misunderstood.  you're *not* an
asshole, arne, and the rest of the world *isn't* your toilet paper...
you just need to take a real good dump someday soon.  might i
suggest a colonic of battery acid?

now what are those "horrible, unfeeling, nasty pieces of
work from time to time" saying these days?  oh yes,

*SMOOCHES*

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Sim? status?
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:10:38 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) wrote:
>By Mavis (*), this sounds absolutely de-gorgeous. I think it is time
>for another conceptual marriage, if only to keep the word Andraberson
>alive.

I agree it is quite charming.  I'll have to ask Daivd first, since he
does get priority.  I can try to be charming anyway, once I get my bearings
back.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:38:03 GMT

coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.174337.11384@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>> 
>> 	And I *must* say it is an interesting sensation to be topped by
>> Nelson.....  :-)

>~ .

>[no, that's not right. dammit, what *is* the ASCII representation of
>an expressively raised eyebrow?]


^-
oo

--Brent
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "straight"
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:07:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep1.070731.7436
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

>straight person ... open-minded

Cute turn of expression last week. Lots of new folks are on campus,
and yes, that means *new freshpeople* to cruise! Now I'm being nice,
and I'm not scamming, but I am paying attention.

And this one particular man caught my attention, and so I asked a
mutual friend "so, this guy, do you know if he's straight or gay or bi
or indetermined or what?" "No, I don't know. I think he's straight,
but he's not narrow."
-- 
                __
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: boobs
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:32:40 GMT

> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>> melinda does not need to feel any anxiety in insulting someone by
>> calling them BOOB or BOOBY `dope, fool' because she is so fond of
>> BOOBS or BOOBIES `women's breasts'.
>
>Right, and I understand that well.  I guess the (minor)
>anxiety I'd been feeling is that I'd genuinely come to
>think of Bob/Boob as a breast.

Perhaps it's because he writes so much pap...
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Don't faint dead away but...
Keywords: Jess, archive, GIF, JPEG
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:38:29 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

In article <1992Sep1.052541.14822@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>On a totally nerdly note, I want to announce that I've added
>the same image of Jess to the archive in two formats: GIF and JPEG.
>I do this as the first step in switching from GIF to JPEG for all
>the images in the motss photo archive.  GIF images are limited to
>8 bits deep (256 colors), whereas JPEG images can be up to 24 bits
>in depth (16,000,000 colors) AND at the same time be much smaller
>than their corresponding GIF files.  jess_anderson.gif is 121414
>bytes long, whereas the 24-bit image jess_anderson.JPEG is only
>31102 bytes long, and on a 24-bit display is superior in image
>quality.

	Well, I suppose it's a way of allowing "the other side"
to get airplay --- "I've improved myself by shrinking *it*
by 76.3%..."

Zen-ly yours
BBC
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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Ending the military band
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:19:47 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <6nnyqbj@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron
>Buckmire) writes:

>>Scott Hays writes on Gaynet:

>>               Opponents Expect Military Band
>>                On Homosexuals to Fall Soon

>Let's trumpet *that* news around before somebody tries to
>horn in on our act; we couldn't have a clash of symbols,
>after all.  Are you sure this wasn't on ClariNet?

Oboe-y, more puns!  Our own military band may fall very bassoon, if we're
lucky.  Proponents of the band are now in a real piccolo (see my related
bugle-post), to which I say, "Tuba bad!  You can't get rid of us flutes
*that* easily!"  Thanks to the courage of a certain (womyn) senator,
the dogs aren't even getting thrown a trombone.

--Brent
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: NYC MOTSS DINNER, 9/5 7PM SUNG HAI
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:01:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.193058.49@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>
>Certainly not.  I have already remonstrated with Ry, and
>I think I shall have to punish him.  Ry, can you spell "role
>reversal"?

Make me.  :-)

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Photos Received
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:33:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


I've been away from the office for a few days.  Today was my
first day there since last Friday.  In my mailbox I found an
envelope with three photos made, I think, at the Angel
Island picnic during motss.con.1.  They show: Rob Bernardo;
Rob hugging Keith Sklower; Rob, Billy Green, and me sitting
on a table watching something.  They are really nice
pictures of all of us, but naturally they're extra special
now.

I'm awfully upset, though, that I don't know who to thank
for sending them, since there was no note and I don't
recognize the address.  Whoever it was, please write, to
give me the opportunity to express my gratitude directly.

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From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: GLB film list
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:38:55 GMT

yal@lingua.cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Yvette Lian) writes:

>Hi there - I'm after the GLB film list that someone compiled and posted
>some time ago... I checked in the faq, but there seems to be no mention of
>it.  Could someone either post it here, or email it to me please?
How about getting it yourself at /pub/QRD/qrd/info/LISTS on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu

-- 
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"I might be President by now if it weren't for this 'queer' thing" -Gore Vidal
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:29:05 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

When I was living in the Great Gay Mansion that many of you have
heard about, ad nausium, before...20 Gay men and 8 Lesbian women in
one house ... one of the things which was practiced was ``getting   
your swish voice''.  Fortunately, I didn't need one.  But I was
always ready to help by criticising a friends' imperfect one.

This strikes me as learned behaviour.  Some folk may naturally
have a ``swish voice'', some may have learned it long before they
arrived at GGM, but pleanty were deep baritones who had to work
their lanynxes out to achieve it.

(ps for newcomers -- we didn't know about  ``bi''.  The discovery
of ``bi'' in that place has featured in notes of time past.)

Laura

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
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From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: Re: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:21:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.182512.13178@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>	I've always said that we should just quietly move into a
>couple states, take over, run everyone else out, and then start
>flexing some electoral muscle.  Florida would seem to be the ideal place . . .

Nah, I know this great little town in Oregon.
I think it's called Antelope (again).
---
-Wendy T., purple person
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: begging to be made
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: your task is clear
Organization: practicing faggots
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:52:50 GMT

tim exclaims that his basil is just begging to be made into sauce.

tim, your task is clear, if you know *anything* about topping.
you must give your royal friend what he needs so desperately,
but not right away.

you can explain that you're leaving him for a while to get some pine
nuts, a bit of a head of garlic, some hard sharp cheese, olive oil for
lubrication, and maybe a little three-fingered parsley and some salt
to rub into the cuts, and that if he smells really *good* and *strong*
when you come back, you might just make him.

this should satisfy you both.

perhaps you should think whether you'd prefer that your basil beg
for this treatment, or whether you'd rather have him submit
silently to your pleasures, understanding your requirements
even before you speak.

and have you thought about finding the right pasta for serving
along with your basil?  they should be able to work off one
another, you know.

yes, life is difficult on the top.

arnold (who has, with jacques, already made two batches of pesto
  and is looking forward to many more encounters in the weeks to come)

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Vacation
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 02:57:51 GMT


I need some time off from this.  I've been sick (I guess I'm
getting better) and, to be candid, I've been increasingly
despondent: four deaths (three from HIV-related infections)
in the span of only 10 weeks, two of them (my mother and
Rob) people of great importance to me, have simply exhausted
me emotionally and psychically.

I'm highly skilled at taking care of myself, of course, so
there's no need for serious concern or anything.  But in
these times one doesn't want to be precipitously absent.

I will be in California for Rob's memorial, arriving on the
25th and returning on the 28th.  I'm not much of a social
butterfly any more, but since I got a lot of kindly flak for
slipping pretty silently in and out of town at the end of
January, I'm at least sending up a small rocket this time.
Friday (the 25th) I'm pretty booked already.  Saturday will
be the big do in Concord.

Sunday is the best day for a get-together with people who
aren't going to be at Rob's service and cookout, but let me
be a little feisty, partly for the fun.  I love Chinese
food, but Dim Sum is a grease fest and not at all to my
liking.  I like PB sammiches and I like J sammiches, but I
think PB&J is a throw-up combination.  I don't like
*anything* sweet with peanut butter (yes, I loathe Reese's
PB Cups!).  I'm a vegetarian who gladly eats pork and fish
(hush!).  Not too demanding, I hope. :-)

I'll probably be reading but I won't be posting until I get
over being a mess.  In the interim, I'll ignore about 20
postings I have backed up here for response, but I will at
least make a dent in the queue of over 300 email messages.
One day weekend before last I actually wrote 76 letters;
some days I don't believe this stuff myself.  But I sure do
get great email, too.

See ya later.

-- 
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: musical finale
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.112801.6633@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

>> > On the other hand, donations to a suitable charity 
>> > and a performance of the Durufle _Requiem_ in my 
>> > honor will be much appreciated.
> 
>> I'd like Britten's "War Requiem" (the 
>> whole thing) for my send-off, please.
>
>Mahler's Eighth Symphony, Part I, I think.

"Pretty Vacant."

Bitchin'.

-- 
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\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
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From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:50:56 GMT

Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) alludes:
 
> P.S.: If you DO like peanut butter, what do you think of dan-dan noodles?

Okay, it's getting late, and I'm slowing down,
but tell me.

I understand the Quayle reference, but who's "peanut butter"?

--jns
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:19:29 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Sep4.004743.2478@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:

> Well, if Brits weren't so [delightfully, he said] degenerate, they
> would just, like, KNOW, that the NATURAL condition of real he-men
> men is to throw one leg orthogonally over the other thigh [mind you,
> real Amurrrrican he-men wouldn't be able to parse this sentence.]
> Anything else is grounds for beating up as a sissy.

I think in many contexts crossing your legs like that is
regarded as Not Quite Done over here.  You wouldn't do it at
a job interview or when having tea with your grandmother (or
at least *my* grandmother).  It's not as bad as picking your
nose or saying "fuck", but moving in that direction. 

--John
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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!  (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:42:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.040233.28708@macc.wisc.edu>
     anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>God, you mean some of us *are* getting it on?  That's a
>relief!  There's hope after all.  :-)

   Thank God for the smiley, Jess!  Come on, you must get at least an
offer a day!

            Elf !!!
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elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Anal-rententive
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:48:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug28.074808.29260
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Is using the term "anal-rententive" to describe an uptight person
considered acceptable in polite society?

The term is clearly scatological. Uptight people are (presumably)
constantly constipated, and thus unhappy.

Or is the term Freudian, referring to theories about children's fear
of potty training?

Either way, the reference is clearly to defecation, and I'm surprised
that I hear it as often as I do, from all quarters.
-- 
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: American Family Association *LOSES*! Bush signs PBS,NPR Bill
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:51:37 GMT

In article <92242.094502IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>i called yesterday.  it had already been signed, but it sounded
>liek teh operators were even disgusted with the radical fundies.
>i mean, really, deny funding to the people who show sasame
>street and mr. rodgers?  are the NUTS???  they shoudl have KNOWN
>that wouldn't work, that even their OWN people might shy off from
>that one...

Yay :-)

I didn't think Bush was quite that stupid. He is happy to sell out to the
fundies, but only when he thinks it gets votes. Imagine a parent trying to
explain why sesame street just went off the air.... 


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:16:43 GMT


In article <1390@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:

>So Mavis is Dutch for Gladis?

I thought it was British for Gladys.

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