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From: bergman@afnews.pa.af.mil (CMSgt Mike Bergman)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Army News 12/21/92
Date: 22 Dec 1992 08:00:28 -0600
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Supply ships set sail for Somalia
 
    WASHINGTON (ARNEWS) -- Soldiers of the 10th Mountain 
Division (Light Infantry) have made it to Somalia and begun 
their humanitarian assistance. But to continue their mission, 
these quickly deployed troops are relying on the Navy to 
deliver equipment and supplies.
    Supply ships of the Navy's Fast Sealift Squadron are 
sailing for Somalia to support Operation Restore Hope there.
    The U.S. Navy Ship Pollux sailed Dec. 17 from the Bayonne 
Military Ocean Terminal in New Jersey. The USNS Algol has also 
taken to the seas, from Beaumont, Texas, laden with equipment, 
helicopters and ground vehicles for the deployed troops, 
according to officials with the Military Traffic Management 
Command in Falls Church, Va.
    The voyage for each Fast Sealift ship should take about two 
weeks, an official said.
    The ships were loaded by servicemembers, Defense Department 
civilians and contractors. Three other ships -- the USNS 
Altair, Belatrix and Capella -- are being loaded and should be 
sailing in a few days.

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From: Steven Kolins <Steven.Kolins@lambada.oit.unc.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Subject: Covenant Breaking
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:26:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47766
Distribution: world
Organization: ----

Allah'u'Abha All,

	There have been a few occurences of Covenant Breaking over the
history of the Baha'i Faith.  Our experience in the west with anything of
the like is along the lines of Martin Luther's break with the Catholic
Church - an Institution which appeared to have several characteristics
unbecoming to a holy Institution.  So we tend to view these occurences as
Excommunication not for the issue at hand but part of the more general
oppression of trouble makers - people who point out our failings.  Perhaps
not far from a person working for, say, the Nation of Islam "squelling"
that the Leader of that Organization had fathered children out of wedlock.
Or a worker for, say, Exxon leaking certain memos pointing out legal
problems. 

	I think Baha'is have much to learn along these lines about members
of our communities who don't "fit in".  But Baha'is claim that the Faith
is the perfect presentation of Unity, not yet the Baha'is themselves.

	However, as I understand the history, all Covenant breakers
violated clear statements of authority. No one had any problems with
Baha'u'llah's behavior, His half-brother did not accept that He was who
was intended by the Bab.  Yet the vast majority of the Babi's accepted
Baha'u'llah.  No one had any problems with 'Abdu'l-Baha's behavior.  His
brother simply did not accept Baha'u'llah's statements about 'Abdu'l-Baha.
90% of the people saw things pretty clearly and ignored this brother
upstart.  When Shoghi Effendi was declared Gaurdian, there was no problem
with his behavior, Covenant Breakers simply sought to take away control of
Baha'i properties.  The local courts accepted the Will and Testament of
'Abdu'l-Baha as sufficient gaurentee of ownership of these lands.  When
the Gaurdian died, leaving no Head to the Baha'i Faith, some felt that
there had to be a Gaurdian.  No one had any trouble interpriting the rules
of passing on the Institution of the Gaurdianship.  Some decided that
loosing the Gaurdian was an excuse to break rules established covering
that very eventuallity. The vast majority of the Baha'is resolved
themselves to building what was possible within the rules of the Faith:
the Universal House of Justice.

	Moreover one must consider that all these events also required a
fair amount of planning and action - so these occurences of Covenant
Breaking were not simply someone loosing his cool under pressure - these
are people who maded a life out of these actions.

These are all quite different from a Baha'i differing on priorities of
issues, of applicability of interpritation at a local level, or whatever.  
That is the whole purpose of consultation.  These kind of differences are,
indeed, what the Baha'i Faith has with how much of the world runs itself.

Steven
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
From: rpiercy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rogers Piercy)
Subject: Quaker Meeting in Cambridge
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:32:32 GMT

Has anyone read "Quaker Silence" by Irene Allen?  Published recently by
Villard Books, NY, (1992).

Please advise to group or e-mail.
Thanks,
RP
From: leilas@ems.cdc.com (Leila Schneberger)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Re: What do you do in first day school?
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:15:52 GMT
Reply-To: leilas@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of Ceridian

The activities depend on the age group of the class. The first sunday of
each month is "family meeting." All of the children and their families
meet together. We go around and introduce ourselves. Then we sing songs
(usually whatever songs the children suggest). Someone brings a book from
the library to read. After that there is usually some kind of artistic
expression loosely based on the book that was read. For December, the book
was about all the different kinds of families that there are and how
wonderful it can be when they gather together. Then we split up into
groups based on the childrens' ages and each group decorated something
for the table (paper tablecloth, napkins, candles, etc.). Finally, we all
came back to the table and shared snacks.

The other first days the children go to their separate groups and
read stories, sing, make artwork, or all of the above. My kids really
enjoyed making tamborines out of paper plates stapled together with rice
decorated with colorful feathers and crepe paper. Then they had a parade.
-- 

 Leila Schneberger                 leilas@ems.cdc.com
From: szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Kazmi)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Is it okay under Orthodox Islamic teaching to kill non-Muslim dakwa people?
Date: 26 Dec 1992 22:07:45 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Reply-To: szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Kazmi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <chai.725045883@redwood.cs.uiuc.edu>, spectre@uiuc.edu (Ian) writes:
|> Asalamulaikum.
|> 
|> I read this article (included below) today. I have heard sentiments
|> from American Muslims that it's not proper under Islam to kill dakwa
|> people of other religions (unless they attack you physically). Is this
|> an orthodox Islamic belief, or is it just a reflection upon the fact
|> that these Muslims who voiced this opinion are Americans, and American
|> culture cherishes religious freedom? If American Muslims (or Muslims of
|> any other nationality for that matter) have proofs (scripture) to back
|> up that position, or if others have proofs to back up the other
|> position, could you email me with them? Thank you.
|> 
|> Wassalam,
|> Ian
|> 
|> ------ Ramos appeals to Saudi Arabia king for Filipino preacher
|> 
|> MANILA, Philippines (UPI) President Fidel Ramos Tuesday appealed to Saudi
|> Arabia's King Fahd to pardon a Filipino born-again preacher scheduled to be
|> hung on Christmas Day in Riyadh.
|> 
|> ``I wish to make a personal appeal to Your Royal Highness to spare Oswaldo
|> Magdangal from execution,'' Ramos said in a letter to the monarch. ``As you
|> know, 25 December is observed as a universal day of peace and forgiveness. I
|> believe that the significance of the season would not be missed by Your Majesty.''
|> 
|> Magdangal has been accused of preaching the Christian faith in Saudi Arabia,
|> a Muslim country. Aside from Ramos' letter, the government also instructed
|> the Philippine ambassador to Saudi Arabia to help secure Magdangal's release.

Several actions of Saudi Arabian Government does not reflect general
Islamic policies. The above one seems to be one of those.

I am not aware of any law of Islamic sharia, where a preacher from another
religion is punishable at all. It is possible for a government, should
it decide, to stop the preacher by force or deport him.

In this case, however, I believe there would be more then what is given
in the above report. Maybe Philipians are not giving out the whole truth.

Wassalm-o-Alaikum

=====================================================================
Syed Zafar Kazmi
szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu
515-6507 (Office)
834-5258 (Home)
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Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: hermi@FUNCTION.MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Erata (The vanquished ...)
Date: 26 Dec 1992 21:56:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Reply-To: hermi@FUNCTION.MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Lotfi Hermi)
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The last paragraph of the text (the Vanquished always want to imitate the 
victor) does not belong to the original text, please try toerase it wa 
jazaka Allah Khairan.

Lotfi 

(it starts with Abd al-malik ibn marwan...)
From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: alt.wanted.moslem.gay
Date: 26 Dec 92 15:32:22 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec21.061543.10332@cs.umb.edu> ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem) writes:

# Does anyone have advice as to how to deal with the guy who has created
# the newsgroup alt.wanted.moslem.gay to air his prejudice and disgusting
# remarks about Islam?  The newsgroup is completely empty except for 
# himself, and I suggest that no one posts anything there.  Let's leave
# him barking to himself.
# 
# I just don't understand how it is possible for an idiot to form a group of 
# his own completely empty except for himself to distribute his own prejudiced
# views.  Isn't anyone concerned about such waste of the net's resources?
# 
# Do you think it is a good idea to write to the operator at the school where
# the guy is?  It is Carnegie Mellon, and one hopes such a reputable school
# would not allow such garbage to come out of it.  The email address
# of the operator is: operator@andrew.cmu.edu
# 
# Please give advice.  If there's anything we can do, let's do it.  If not,
# I strongly suggest to leave the guy alone.  He is not worth responding to.
# 
# Assalamu alaikum, Ahmad
# 


Wa alekum Salaam.

There is basically nothing that can be done - conceivably, the
newsgroup could be removed, but then someone else could create the
newsgroup again and nothing would be accomplished.

You could try writing to the postmaster at andrew at CMU, but I do not
really think it is worth the trouble.  This person who posts there
posts in order to annoy you.  When you get annoyed, you encourage him.
Especially when you write to him and give him evidence of being
annoyed.  I really wish everyone would leave people like him and
Carasso alone.  It would get rid of them much faster.  In any case,
they are really not all that troublesome.  No one in their right mind
takes them seriously.  What *is* bad is serious people wasting time
arguing with then.

Basalat Ali Raja.
From: jakhan@iastate.edu (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: drinking and dancing
Date: 3 Jan 1993 17:12:26 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University
Reply-To: jakhan@iastate.edu (Javed Ahmed Khan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie writes:
=========================================================================

2- Dancing:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Dancing, I mean mixed dancing, male and female, is a step towards
adultary, through sexual stimulation. The environment of dancing, in
general, is a mixture of: consumption of intoxicants, sexual stimulation
through music and body movement and direct contact between male and
female. This environment makes the distance towards adultery very short,
and thus should not be the place for a muslim to go, but a situation to
avoid.

Like the case of intoxicants, it is not only adultary which is forbidden, 
but also approaching adultery or comming near to adultery is forbidden.


{The Quran: 017}

 32. And go not nigh to fornication; surely it is an 
 indecency and an evil way. 

Of course when these things are forbidden to muslims by Allah, it does
not mean it is allowed for others because they are not muslim. Islam was
sent to all beings.

However, you will encounter people who do not care. They would committ
such sins, and they would say that they are muslim, any how they don't
care.

A real muslim should not go to such situations, and he should be clear
so as to explain exactly why he doesn't want to be in such situations and 
he shouldn't feel shy and he should not lie by giving false execuses.


Best regards,

Ahmed I. El-Habbash,
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
============================================================================




Your explanation for the prohibition of dancing cannot be infered from the
verses you have quoted. The connection between dancing and fornication is
yours and may not necessarily be true.

What do you say about the prohibition of listening to or playing music and songs
prevalent in some muslim communities. Is this also forbidden by God ?

--Javed.
From: an1600@anon.penet.fi (president)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: drinking and dancing
Date: 26 Dec 1992 22:04:25 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Reply-To: an1600@anon.penet.fi (president)
NNTP-Posting-Host: geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Dear folks,

At first, let me introduce my self. I am a non moslem student,
and I do know a little bit about muslem.

A few days ago I have discussed with some friends of mine
about things as :
	-  Does a moslem allow to drink, even free alcohol
	   bir ?
	-  Does a moslem allow to go to a discotheek ?

Please send me the answers directly to my anno.adress, becouse
I want to organise a party for my friends, but I don't relly
know what the programma should be.

Thanking You all for your answers,

Best regards,

the president


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Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: spectre@uiuc.edu (Ian)
Subject: Is it okay under Orthodox Islamic teaching to kill non-Muslim dakwa people?
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:07:47 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Asalamulaikum.

I read this article (included below) today. I have heard sentiments
from American Muslims that it's not proper under Islam to kill dakwa
people of other religions (unless they attack you physically). Is this
an orthodox Islamic belief, or is it just a reflection upon the fact
that these Muslims who voiced this opinion are Americans, and American
culture cherishes religious freedom? If American Muslims (or Muslims of
any other nationality for that matter) have proofs (scripture) to back
up that position, or if others have proofs to back up the other
position, could you email me with them? Thank you.

Wassalam,
Ian

------ Ramos appeals to Saudi Arabia king for Filipino preacher

MANILA, Philippines (UPI) President Fidel Ramos Tuesday appealed to Saudi
Arabia's King Fahd to pardon a Filipino born-again preacher scheduled to be
hung on Christmas Day in Riyadh.

``I wish to make a personal appeal to Your Royal Highness to spare Oswaldo
Magdangal from execution,'' Ramos said in a letter to the monarch. ``As you
know, 25 December is observed as a universal day of peace and forgiveness. I
believe that the significance of the season would not be missed by Your Majesty.''

Magdangal has been accused of preaching the Christian faith in Saudi Arabia,
a Muslim country. Aside from Ramos' letter, the government also instructed
the Philippine ambassador to Saudi Arabia to help secure Magdangal's release.
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From: Waleed A Muhanna <wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Announcing IslamicTimer (Release 2.0)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 20:56:54 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Reply-To: Waleed A Muhanna <wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu


Release 2.0 of the IslamicTimer software package is now available via 
anonymous ftp from snake.mcs.kent.edu (IP address: 131.123.2.222).  
The distribution is in a compressed shar (shell archive) file named 
"/pub/IslamicTimer-2.0.shar.Z".  The new release includes a couple of 
very minor fixes and a new program, called PREMIND, which provides 
prayers time reminder/notification service on UNIX platforms.

In addition to PREMIND, IslamicTimer includes programs for generating 
Islamic (Hijri) Calendars, translating Gregorian/Julian dates to/from dates
in the Islamic Calendar, computing prayer time schedules, and for determining
the direction of the Qiblah.  

The software should be fairly portable and it should run on any UNIX
system.  If you have to make any changes to files other than the Makefiles 
to make these programs work on your machine/compiler, please contact me and
tell me where I goofed.

All the programs are Copyrighted.  Permission for nonprofit use and 
redistribution of the software and its documentation is granted without 
fee.

Please send your comments, suggestions, fixes, and additions to me:

	Waleed A. Muhanna
	P.O. Box 151048
	Columbus, OH 43215
	wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Large sums of money can also be sent to me, although at this time I'd
suggest you send your donations to a Relief Fund for the people suffering
in Somalia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, and Palestine, and/or to your favorite
charity.

Salaam,

Waleed Muhanna
Tuesday 5 Rajab 1413 A.H.
December 29, 1992
From: sadeka@cs.mcgill.ca (Sadeka HEDARALY)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: reply
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:36:24 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Originator: farah@gnu.ai.mit.edu

From: cczaziz@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz)




In Message-ID: <1gjhrqINNdij@life.ai.mit.edu>
afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel) writes:

>   I am saddened to find out that many sincere Muslims have begun
>   to believe untrue things about Jews.  Among these are:
    . . .

>   As Muslims, our only concern should be to please Allah, and
>   Allah wants people to be truthful.  If a particular practice is
>   not correct, or if an opinion is based upon false sources, we
>   should be the first people to correct this practice and expose
>   the untruth in those sources.

This is the right and correct attitude, and must be stressed and
supported by every Muslim who puts Islam before his own personal and
national prejudices.

>   The first such practice whose validity I question is calling
>   Jews "aHfaad al-qiradati wal-khanaaziir"  (the grandchildren
>   of monkeys and pigs).  This is a reference to Allah's turning an
>   entire village of Jews into monkeys when they disobeyed His
>   command to stop fishing on the day of their Sabbath.

There is a hadith in which the Holy Prophet Muhammad has applied these
terms to MUSLIM ULAMA of the latter ages, i.e. "apes and swine"! So if
the present-day Jews are to be called "grandchildren of ..." then the
Muslim Ulama of today can also be called apes and swine, according to
hadith!

>  In general, such anti-Semetic practices are used to make some Muslims
>  feel that they are superior to non-Muslims even though their conduct
>  is no different from the conduct of the non-Muslims. Criticizing
>  others is a psychological substitute for taking the measures necessary
>  to improve one's own self.

How absolutely true! And it applies not only to anti-Jewish remarks,
but similar ones made by most of us Muslims against: Hindus, the West,
and so on.

It is true that the Holy Quran condemns the transgressions of the
Jews, but these are also condemned in the Jewish scriptures
themselves. But the Quran does not tarnish the entire people. It says:
"Among the people of Moses there is a party who guide with truth, and
therewith [i.e. with the truth] they do justice" (7:159).

The Quran also says: "O Children of Israel, call to mind the favour
which I [Allah] bestowed on you, and that I made you excel the
nations" (2:47). Is this not a compliment? (That the Israelites were
not grateful to God for this favour is a different matter.)

Muslims believe in and revere all the Jewish prophets such as Moses,
Aaron, David, Solomon, etc. Two of the wives of the Holy Prophet
Muhammad were Jewish. Once one of them complained to him that some
Muslim women taunted her as a "Jewess, daughter of two Jews". The Holy
Prophet replied: "Why didn't you say to them, Yes, my father is Aaron,
my uncle is Moses, and my husband is Muhammad!"


Zahid Aziz.