From: hachec@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Greg Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Proposal for Bot Owners (V1.00).
Keywords: BOT IRCII PROGRAMMING LAME POINTLESS ANNOYING
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:11:52 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Dec10.212059.11696@newstand.syr.edu> aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Andre Kian-An Tan) writes:

>In article <1992Dec9.074224.12092@cc.umontreal.ca> hachec@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Greg Patterson) writes:
>>[This proposal has already been email'ed to several (>20) bot owners that I
>>could find within a short period of time (namely looking on #hotsex and on
>>#hottub).  From the number of positive responses, it looks like some 
>>progress might be made from this effort]  
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>As some of you are aware.  The number of MODE +o's when people join some of
>>the more popular channels (eg. #hotsex, #hottub) is steadily increasing.  This
>>is a serious load on ALL IRC servers around the world.  Every MODE +o that a
>>user sends gets sent to >200 servers simultaneously.  This can often result
>>in netsplits or server screw ups (read: *** Notice Hack: messages).
>
>["Helpful" hints to make a "better" bot in IRCII deleted]
>
>Here's another idea...  Short of removing all bots from IRC, how about
>NOT HAVING BOTS PERFORM MODE CHANGES???  Instead of requesting chop from
>a bot, how about ASKING THE OWNER???  Yes... Aren't I clever, I thought of
>that all by myself.  I know it's really difficult to take that couple of
>seconds or so to actually TYPE a command, but perhaps people can manage.
>Actually, typing commands is quite versatile.  It allows any type of 
>mode change, kicking, and even clever little phrases that might be relevant
>to the situation at hand...  Yes... you... a human can type adorable
>"bot"esque actions like:

Ahhhh but you forgot ONE important point.  These LUSERS refuse to stop
running their bots so the only way to improve things (until a better solution
is available) is to get these so called "morons" to make a few changes in
their bots that WILL improve the situation...  Take a look on #hotsex next
time you are on.  While the kick/ban wars are still as high as ever, the
number of auto-ops people get on the channel are down to only one or two.
It used to be 7-8 for each bot/owner. 

>>auto-ops would be assigned at one-minute intervals.  The code I have written
>>is only valid for ircIIpre7 and greater..  ircIIpre8 will have an easier
>                        ^2.2                     ^2.2
>>method requiring only a few lines of code (TIMER 3 + rand(10) /MODE $C +o $0).

My my we are being picky arn't we?

>Do seriously believe that half of the IRCII script bot owners out there have
>enough of half-a-clue to be able to compile a client successfully?  Sorry
>to poop on your parade but, I think not.

It's really hard to compile a new client...  NAWT!  Considering the instructions
are posted on here almost once a week.  The other fact is that all you have to
do is ftp the archive, uncompres, untar it, and type 'Make' in the directory
containing the source (parent of the source actually).

>I respect what you are trying to do, but unfortunately I'm not sure if I
>agree with it.  It still troubles me when I try to comprehend why lusers
>insist on spitting out vanity bots which truly have no redeeming value
>at all.  I even go as far as to say that "adding atmosphere and ambiance"
>is stretching it...

I don't agree with them either but at least I've managed to convince >15 
bot owners that auto-oping on #hotsex is not helping IRC.  WHAT HAVE YOU
ACCOMPLISHED?  (other than wasting my time with this reply?).

	[log of some bot and luser not pertaining to anything deleted]

>I'm sorry, but virtual beverages and asinine comments does not make my
>"IRC experience" more enjoyable.  Ah well.. I digress... Anyways, 
>Greg/Wizard, valiant effort to solve the problem, but wrong approach in
>opinion. 

Please feel free to come up with a better solution rather than flaming
me...  The situation has definitely improved on #hotsex (and possibly
#hottub as the same bots are usually on more than one channel but I 
don't go there often).

Wizard
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