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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:44:59 GMT
	<BrroHK.18M@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
	<1992Jul22.164711.26649@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
   > lchsu@cayley.waterloo.edu (Leon C. Hsu) writes:
   >
   >Let me tell you about life in Canada (or at least Ontario).
   [...]
   >is, everyone is covered for reasonable medical expenses,
	^^^^^^^^
   EVERYONE?  including foreign students or other non-Canadians?
   Just curious.

Wouldn't surprise me.  When I was growing up in Britain, my whole
family was covered by the National Health Service, even though we were
(and are) all U.S. citizens.  You wouldn't expect the fire department
to only save the houses of citizens, right?  Same reasoning, but
applied to health care.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:20:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.133541.4901@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes...
>In article <14ktknINNgtu@agate.berkeley.edu> judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:
> 
>><sarcasm mode on>
..
>>
>>Judy Y. Tseng
>>judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu
> 
>  Clare Chu
>  (for the sarcasm impaired:  geek off!)

A fantastic performance by Judy Y. Tseng playing Constance Wordsworth
and by Clare Chu playing Buffy Cartwright.

applause-applause

Epilogue and moral of Judy's story:
                                          Heritage of Americans
Work with whomever you want to         -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
Make friends with whomever you want to -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
Have lovers with whomever you want to  -- Asian, European, African, Aboriginal
But marry                              -- Asian,         , African, Aboriginal

<sarcasm mode off>

Sorry, but I believe it is best not to take race into consideration
when choosing your partner.

-- Makoto
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "
Reply-To: achin@math.tamu.edu
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:25:48 GMT

In article 19814@rice.edu, kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:

>Have any of you read today's "Dear Abby"?  Some time ago, someone asked,
>"How can you tell the difference between people from the following countries:
><list of SE Asian countries>?"
[...]
>....Ask them--most of them are proud to tell you and will not take offense.
>
>To this, Abby replies, "Most, but not all.  One reader wrote to say that
>she (out of curiosity) approached a gentleman with Asian features and said,
>"My friend and I have a bet on.  Where are you from?"  The gentleman replied,
>"Cincinnati."
>
>I'm thinking of writing a response to this.

Well, we didn't get much of a response from her sister, Ann Landers,
when she even more blatantly confused Asians with Asian-Americans.
I know of eight people who wrote responses and haven't yet seen a
followup appear in her column.

In Ann's mind and in the mind of most Americans, racial issues
involving Asian-Americans are inherently marginal and subtle,
and certainly not worth understanding.  Abby's reply strongly
indicates that she is of the same mindset.  Whatever you write, 
therefore, had better have the subtlety of a bulldozer.
---
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:21:36 GMT

In article <l7e3amINN7us@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>Mike Fester writes:
>>Dwight Joe writes:
>>
>>>citizenship.   Japan almost won't do it.  Even the USA wouldn't concede to such
>>>outrageous demands.  But the Korean gov't is insisting that the Japanese
>>
>>The US DOES in fact recognize dual citizenship, if the other nation recognizes
>>it as well. 
>
>The United States does not recognize dual citizenship.  It is stated
>very clearly when you apply for naturalization that you give up all
>privileges and rights you had from your country of origin.  They
>emphasize that again at the actual oath-taking.
This is not completely correct.  This applies mainly to naturalized
U.S. citizens which require you to renownce previous allegiences.
Those BORN in the U.S. can hold other citizenships if the other
country allows it. ie) U.S. /Canadian citizenship. BUT only if you
got the U.S. citizen ship  FIRST and BY BIRTH.  Ie) you can not be
Canadian first and then get U.S. citizenship also.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:6916 rec.arts.movies:22795
From: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon (Re: Asian American Media Image)
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:29:03 GMT
Reply-To: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.arts.movies, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>There's an interesting show that accurately depicts the mentality
>of a large portion of the Asian-American community although the events
>in the show are fictional.  I'm referring to "Year of the Dragon".

>It's very good.  I highly recommend it.  A person who's actually been
>in one of the ethnic towns depicted in this movie will immediately
>recognize how very accurately the ethnic milieu has been contructed.
>The mentality of the portrayed ethnic group and its villains is very
>realistic.

>Three of the best parts in the movie are the following.  The principal
>antagonist, head of an organized crime gang, answers the questions of
>the cop and his colleague, "No more ethnic jokes about 'my' people.
..etc..
>evaluation:  3 stars out of 4
>siskel-and-ebert evaluation:  2 thumbs up


I have to disagree with much of the introduction to this posting...

This review is like saying that all Italian-Americans are like the characters
in the movie series "The Godfather".. Granted that a portion of the
Asian community in America is engaged in criminal activity, much of which
can be linked to ancient practices/heritages from China; but to say that
it accurately reflects the mentality of a large portion of the Asian-American
community (IMHO) is incorrect.. I do not know how you can even say that..

The police character who was shot in the movie (under-cover in the restaurent)
was talking about the many good thing Chinese civilization has developed and
that one must not merely look at the bad cultural practices of a racial/ethnic
group..

Much of the criminal activity in Chinatowns are controlled/run by the Chinese
whom feel dis-engaged from the mainstream of American life. These find it
profitable and easy to follow this type of activity. Many have problems with
the language, find comfort and fellowship among gangs and the criminal family
structure.. This is true among the Hispanic and Blacks in the urban ghettos.

Just as "Flower Drum Song" is at one extreme of the spectrum; so is "Year
of the Dragon". Neither is close to being accurate; although many portions
have more truth than fiction.. BTW, I liked both movies. Movies do tend to
treat real life situations rather simplistically.
.
.
.
.
..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: S.C.A.A Party -- August 6
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.212318.16221@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (the Happy Twinkie) writes:
>And I can get any CFG(tm) I want!!!  The other day I got asked for the time
>from this babe, and like she actually almost looked like Shannen Doherty, at
>least hair-wise!!!  So eat your heart out, nyahh....
Haha, thats almost as "warm" as "Hey, as*hole you're standing on my foot!" :)

TOYMWYA
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon (Re: Asian American Media Image)
Keywords: good movie, 2 thumbs up!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:20:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.025730.1522@dazixca.ingr.com> cristina@dazixca.ingr.com
(Cristina Ungstad Yu) writes:
>...
>my question, what does all this cu stuff mean, as in chinese-cu?
>
>-cristina yu

Chinese-cu = Chinese in the CUltural sense
Chinese-ge = Chinese in the GEnetic sense; i.e. ethnically Chinese
Chinese-ci = Chinese in the sense of CItizenship; i.e. citizen of China

Note that a French-ge can be Chinese-cu but not Chinese-ge[1].

Also, Chinese-cu idiots tend to think that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge;
hence, according to them, a French-ge person can never really be
Chinese-cu.  Chinese-cu idiots believe that genes (i.e. ethnicity)
determine culture.

It's a twisted, disgusting, racist view that many Chinese-cu idiots
believe.  It's a view shared by rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis.

However, Taiwanese-cu are less inclined to this idiotic view.  I had a pleasant
chat with a Taiwanese-cu lady, and she believes (like me) that a
person is free to choose whatever culture she/he wishes.  Furthermore,
people (like Chinese-cu idiots) who tell others the culture with
which they "should" identify are just morons.

By the way, she tells me that she intends to learn the Japanese language
in the future.  She also tells me that one of her relatives (uncle, I think)
was locked in prison by the KMT Chinese-cu gov't on Taiwan; the "crime"
was daring to voice his opinion.

Ahhh.  The "wonders" of Chinese-cu thought...

[1] I agree with people who say that -ge is pointless because all
humans are derived from a common origin in Africa.  That, however,
is not the way in which the Chinese-cu idiots view the matter.  They
view Chinese-ge people as a distinct _racial_ group--distinct even
from the Koreans and the Japanese.

Given that moronic reasoning, we can use my notation to rip apart
their other cherished but racist notion that genes determine 
ethnicity.

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From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:08:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

I was scanning through some soc.culture.groups and ran into
this thread. I'll relate what happened to me and a good friend of mine
Llewellyn (Lyle) Chan in a gay bar about a year and half ago.
We ran into a gay male friend of ours. He was in the company of
a white female friend of his.

After the introductions and a short conversation the following takes
place:

the woman: Where are you from?
Lyle     : Australia.
the woman: No, but where are you really from?
Lyle     : What you mean? I'm Australian.
the woman: Where are you parents from?
Lyle     : They're Welsh.
the woman: Your granparents?
Lyle     : China.

Understandably, Lyle was more than a bit upset at her.

jari
(junikka@math.wisc.edu)
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Ugga de Boogidie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: my college advisor
Date: 29 Jul 1992 18:22:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H. Chou) :
	> man, one thing that kinda annoyed me was when I was advance 
	> enrolling for classes, I asked my advisor if my courseload
	> would be very difficult.  My advisor looked at my requested
	> classes, saw "EALC 140 -- Chinese Civilization" as one of
	> them, and says "Well, you should have NO PROBLEM with that
	> class!" with a big grin like he was such a clever guy!
	>
	> --
	> Pete

Along a similar situation, my family and I were visiting the Railroad
Museum in Sacramento (a fantastic museum, btw), my sister was standing
in front of some photographs of Chinese railroad workers. A Caucasian
couple was standing next her, they made some comment about the workers
(can't remember what they said exactly), turned to my sister and asked
her if what they said was correct as if she knew the history just 
because she was Asian so they automatically assumed she was Chinese
(they guessed correctly this time).

She looked at them and said, "How should I know!!!", then walked away.

I caught up with her and we both agreed that *some* pigmentally-challenged
people can be so incredibly clueless.

	Melinda

To jj, I said *some* - let's not start another flamewar, okay? <grin> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<157bm9INNt5o@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:12:51 GMT

   judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:
   > jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair) writes:

   >	   Do you really feel so powerless that even your decision
   >	decision about who to marry must be political?  

   Yes. Are you implying that marrying a white person will solve everything?

Most people don't expect marrying a person of *any* race to "solve
everything".

Do you really think that AAs marry Caucasians because they think that
it will "solve everything"?  I've yet to meet a person who thinks
that, but perhaps they exist and you know them.

Far from solving everything, it seems more common that trying to marry
a Caucasian is a big extra problem for an AA; the reaction from the
AA's family is often something like "what's the matter with you,
couldn't you find a nice Asian?"

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Role reversal
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:51:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Jul22.230127.16669@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>Think about this scenario.  The next time some white person says something
>that offends an Asian person here (like a stereotype or Japan bashing, to
>name two) here's what you (meaning an AA) should say:
>
>    Well!!  While I'm sure that rhetoric such as yours is undoubtedly
>    satisfying because it sounds good and it's very PC right now to
>    beat up on the "yellow menace," it misses the simple point that
>    the real effect it has is of offending Asian people, instead of
>    making them sympathetic to whites and their problems.  Do you
>    want to cause race war?  Nuclear winter?  All fall down?  Then
>    keep it up, Bubba!!!
>
>Question, class.  Does that sound kind of funny to you?  Coming from an
>Asian person's mouth, I mean.  Do you think even one white person would
>actually take a "threat" like that seriously?

I would.  Perhaps "sympathy" is too negative a word for a lot of folks,
but if the general idea is that making friends is better than making
enemys, what's wrong with what JJ wrote, or with your re-writing of it?

It is pure pragmatism: if pissing people off works, then do that.  If it
doesn't, then don't.  If you want to look at one as always "sticking up
for myself" and the other as always "ass kissing", I'd say that you are
overly constraining yourself.  Step back and see if the label really
fits the action before jumping to a conclusion.

Allies come in all colors.  So do enemys.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:54:42 GMT

In article <14fq65INNj0p@agate.berkeley.edu> judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:
>Gary Tse writes under Asian-Am/African Am relationships:
>>trifles.  So it seems rather perverse to me that people would rail
>>against racial preference in the relatively trivial realms of work and
>>play, and then claim with forthrightness that it is acceptable to be 
>>racially discriminating in the much more important arena of love and 
>>marriage.  I would think that a person who claims to be fair in his
>>social and professional dealings but is racially discriminating in 
>>matters much closer to his heart smacks of the worst sort of hyprocrisy.
For the record, I agree with Gary. I think its has a lot of truth.

>[Judy Y. Tseng writes: various reasons for not marrying non-asians deleted]
Marriage based on political
reasons, doesnt seem right to me. Of course Judy can do whatever
makes her happy.  But I for one wont be restricting my choices.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long]
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:03:14 GMT

Thanks for posting this. It was an insightful look into the situation
existing in California. Maybe what is needed to unite the "Asian-Americans"
is a strong leader who somehow transcends the socio-ethno-economic 
bounds that separate the Asian-Americans. This may unfortunately be
impossible. In the black community there is probably more homogeneity,
so it is more common to see figures like Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.
and Malcolm X rise up and capture the attention of the vast majority
of the population. I guess ethnic descrimination is something that
will take a long time to put behind us. That's not to say that we 
shouldn't work towards the goal of cultural harmony, only that it
may take longer than most of us would like.

I believe that the first step is education. Not simple brain-washing
like "racism is bad. racism is bad. racism is bad. racism is bad." I
am thinking rather of educating people about all cultures, or as 
many as possible. I think that if we all have some insight into
different cultures, we are less likely to fear or dislike them. 

Don't fight the power. Seize the power, because knowledge is the true
power. 

-leon.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:27:31 GMT

-
     Requiring medical insurance is SOP (standard Operating Procedure)
at most colleges and university.  As I see it, your best bet is to complain
about the announced cost, ie. they don't tell you about the requirement and
cost until you've travelled thousands of miles, turned down other colleges,
etc.  Still, I think you are SOL (Simply Out of Luck).  It's hard to fight
a big institution.

							George

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:37:44 GMT

In article <yuan1.711896952@husc9> yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) writes:
>jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) writes:
>
>>I've met European descended Americans with accents to whom I've asked, 
>>"Where are you from originally?"  Thereupon, an interesting conversation 
>>flowed (since the white person never felt the urge to get defensive).
>
>Certainly, people with accents are a different case, both for European-
>Americans and Asian-Americans.  Note also that you asked "where are you from
>ORIGINALLY," the assumption being that since this person has accent, her
>or she must not be a native-born American.  A perfectly valid assumption,
>IMHO.
>

This assumption may not be valid sometime.  I once asked a fellow
Caucasian windsurfer where he was from originally (noticing he had some
kind of accent).  He told me that he is from some small town in New York
but had spent most of his life living out of the US.  He was living in
South africa then and was going to school at the U. of Texas Austin as a
foreign student.  (We were windsurfing in Austin, Tx).  Any way the guy
did not feel offended or anything.  We had a great conversation about
windsurfing afterward.

I have lived in different countries and speak different languages with
accent(s). Especially Cantonese which I learned in America.  Anyway I
wnet t a inner city school in Chicago so the kind of spoken English I
picked up is not that great either.  When I lived in Austin, I used to
get annoyed by the receptionist at UT that automatically transferred my
phone to the international office (happened twice).  One time I did not
get transferred (phone transfer) when I asked for an application (what a
surprise) but I later received an application for international student
instead.  So you see all these different assumptions we have can
sometime cause a lot of frustration.

When I was in Europe, I never had any problems with those border
officials with my passport (American) despite the fact that I was the
only Asian-looking person with an Am. passport and 1/3 of the people in
the group were Jpanese-ci and other-Asian-ci. (I think I am drifting
away from the topic so I better stop now).

-dan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.023440.1118@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>outrageous demands.  But the Korean gov't is insisting that the Japanese
>gov't give the Koreans in Japan special privileges not afforded to
>other foreigners.

Activating tape-player again?  Quote specific instances special privileges
Korean government demanded from Japanese goverment on the behalf of Koreans
living in Japan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: FOBs/Oreos/Twinkies/etc.
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.091459.8893@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
>
>How "bad" is the conflict between the American born Asians and the
>Asian Immigrants?  Is the use of FOBs/Oreos/Twinkies etc. generally speaking,
>going up or down?
>

I have both Am. born Asian friends as well as foreign born ones.  I have
not really sense any conflict between the two groups.  Have not heard of
Oreos or Twinkies used before.  Actually I did not know what they mean
until I started to read scaa few weeks ago.

I once heard the term "FOB" used but it came from a foreign born person
herself (in a non-derogatory sense).  And once heard my Am. born friend
using the 3-letter word ABC himself when I asked him where he is from.
(I meant to ask him what town in Illinois he is from).

Any way you seem to imply that the conflict exists.  Is it based on you
experience at Berkely?  For the 4 years I spent at U. of Illinois at
Urbana,  the A/AA ther did not really make a big deal about whether some
one is foreign or Am. born.  Well may be things have changed.  It would
be interesting to hear from you guys out there.

In the non-academic world I dont see that many A/AA at all.  Sometimes I
wonder where all the A/AA's are hiding.  Dont see them at the beach,
health clubs, or at the Y where I play volleyball.

Cheers

dan

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