HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wayne@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de (Wayne Tvedt)
Subject: Re: Yes on 9 (was Re: William F. Buckley opposes anti-gay ballot measure)
Organization: 250 Million Pet Rocks
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:28:46 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Theodore A. Kaldis (kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu) wrote:
>I just want to take this opportunity to announce that if I were an
>Oregon voter, I would vote "YES" on Prop. 9

  Meddlesome foreigner.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex,alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.singles
From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: Re: What is Wrong with this Picture....
Organization: Legal Department - Coventry University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:58:46 GMT

In article <fc8qbj45@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.004053.1155@u.washington.edu> skaven@milton.u.washington.edu (William Gilliland) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.204157.18785@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>>>elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>] varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) opines:
>>>] >A couple DOES consent to the possibility of pregnancy when they
>>>] >consent to sex.
>>>] Thanks.  Next time I take a woman to bed, I'll have to remember that.
>>>] Parthenogenetically,
>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Some how I don't think Ellen Really Understands the
>>>True nature of the Discussion....
>>I want you to to look up that big long word that Ellen very discretely
>>slipped in just before her .sig file.  It, and the context of her post,
>>reveal that she is being sarcastic (SAR-kah-stick) and has a far firmer 
>>grasp on the conversation than you realized.
>>
>>As for your idea about there being NO SEX if there isn't any possibility for
>>procreation, is someone who gets his/her tubes tied incapable of having SEX?
>>What about oral SEX? Why is SEX in all caps, anyway? What if its the wrong 
>>time of the month (The Vatican (tm) non-birth-control birth control method) 
>>for ovulation (AH-vyoo-lay-shun) to occur? While we're on the subject of
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>		British translation: OH-vyoo-lay-shun.
>
>		Thank you.
>
>Had to be done, sorry.


** If you must oH-vyoooooo-lay-ate can you go and do it somewhere else.
   It makes a mess all over the terminal. 

   This has been a blatantly obvious public information announcement.



   Bart.


   


-- 
          ****************************************************
          *      Graham Wilson      *  lsg001@uk.ac.cov.cck  *
          *     LL.B.  Law  III     *  Coventry  University  *
          ****************************************************
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Subject: Re: All deficits are not created equal.
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:07:55 GMT

When can a company or a company run with significant debt?  When the
increase in cash flow counterbalances in.

If spending 100 Billion $ increases the _annual_ GDP by 10 Billion,
that will more than counteract 8% interest rates.

Now, that 10 Billion increase in GDP can take a _long_ time, especially
if you have low interest rates, and still pay for itself.

A lot of businesses _deliberately_ run up their debt to avoid being
bought out and looted.  Loans used for R&D, equipment development,
training/education, buying into markets or increasing market share
are all worthwhile things for deficit spending as they increase
_income_ by more than their interest cost.



-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"No Blood for Oil!" ?  But Blood is a renewable resource, Oil isn't!
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: This Time Around, DON'T VOTE !!
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:58:41 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

That's right!  Don't vote!  That way my vote is worth more.

Ciao Dudes
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From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Date: 2 Oct 1992 06:59:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <lefty-290992185354@lefty.apple.com> lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
|In article <Bv9K8H.J03@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu
|(Bruce Varney) wrote:
|> 
|> Have you ever seen a film of a child being killed in his/her mother's womb?? 
|
|No, and neither have you.
|
|Look up the word "credulous" and see what it means.

Try looking it up yourself; it's not *in* the dictionary.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.usage.english
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Technical Terms For New users....
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:28:00 GMT

c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
] Terminating a Pregnancy is an interesting Euphemism.
] This sort of reminds me of the job Martin Sheen had to do in Apocalypse
] now.  Martin Sheen was supposed to "terminate the command" of Colonel
] Kurtz.  
] 
] Isn't Terminating a Pregnancy so much more easy to swallow than 
] terminating a human life?
] 
] Just like Terminating a Command is so much more easy to swallow then
] Assassinating Colonel Kurtz.
 

I know that being on the planet for a short amount of time
has limited your ability to comprehend simple facts of life:

not that 'to terminate with extreme prejudice' allows
for the 'lawful use of terminal force' and hence is a
clear declaration of what is going on.

'assasination' is a lovely, romantic, and colourful term
that denotes 19th century bomb hurlers as well as freedom fighters.

As for your illustration, the mission was to resolve
the nature of Col. Kurtz's command, one way or the other.

If he could not be extracted, then he was to be terminated.

Do you presume that 'termination notices' always allow
the employer to Kill the employee....

Please, when using technical terms from a profession with 
which you have at best an understanding of the fictional
representation, please try to understand what is going on.

Or do your presume that 'super computers' wear leotards,
with a Big S on them, and have Capes, and change in 
phone booths from ordinary PC's.....


ciao
drieux

ps: and the real fun, is that they get all ikky squishy
about the nasty GreenMachine, right up until they want
it to rescue them....

pps: anyone up for a discussion of maoist revolutionary strategy????




-- 
Modern Day Problems

Does that 'answer' your question,
or should I be a little more vague.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: If you don't want Perot:  Bend over to the Republocrats.
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:59:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.202926.21348@u.washington.edu>, sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep30.094011.1440@cnsvax.uwec.edu> falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

    To me, the deficit is just not that much of a problem.

Let's analyze this statement.  Either this person is quite wealthy,
planning to move out of the country, or (I really hate to say this) is
quite old. (explanation: My grandmother is not concerned about the
deficit either.  I figure she thinks she will die before they come to
take her Social Security checks away from her).

Of course, the person who said this could just be kidding?

Yeah, that's gotta be it.

Doug

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.marrou
From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins)
Subject: Re: Media coverage for Marrou/Lord (call these #'s!)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:27:42 GMT

nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>  First of all, no L.P. presidential candidate has ever exceeded 1%
>  of the vote, so even if Marrou/Lord are doing that well this year
>  and Perot is only doing 7% then Perot is still doing *7 times as
>  well* as Marrou/Lord!   I would say that this IS "much better".

Perot has never exceeded 0% of the vote.

>  Third, how do you know how well the Marrou/Lord ticket is doing?

How do you know he's not doing well?

>  How many national polls have shown any L.P. support above the 
>  margin of error?

Haven't seen on any national polls, maybe he's doing well and we
don't know it.  "Other" is usually pretty high.

>  Fourth, the news media are privately owned and can say anything 
>  they want.   

While Libertarians are the only party that wish this were so, it is not.
The media is regulated out the ying-yang.  Ever heard of "equal time for
opposing views when a network/newspaper/radio station gives commentary?"

More importantly, the Commission on Presidential Debates may not be
private.  I still haven't received an answer on that, but the name
sure sounds "funded."  But even if they are private, we can still raise
hell.  We just wouldn't [mis]use the government to *force* them to be fair.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Subject: Re: If you don't want Perot:  Bend over to the Republocrats.
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:48:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.160110.18136@kpc.com> emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>In article <VNCRBD9C@cc.swarthmore.edu> mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie Wertz) writes:
>>> 
>	Just to set the record straight...
>
>	The quote is "we can ammend this dang Constitution". By the way,
>the last time we did ammend the "dang" constitution was earlier this year.
>
>	The employee who quits before a certain time period was forced to
>reimburse EDS $9K for the training costs. It was challanged after Perot
>sold EDS to GM and backed out of GM. Perot Systems has no such policy.
>
>	The first charge that he crushes his adverseries was too vague
>to callenge or clarify.
>

On a slight tangent, there was an interesting article on Perot in the
Oregonian (yes, that bastion of journalism) that went in to some details
of Perots' highly successful business dealings. One of them smacks of
hypocrisy. This was one about how he successfully lobbied for the FAA to
approve the building of an airport in Texas. It just happened to be close to
some 17,000 acres of Perot owned land. Strange that once approval was 
granted, the saleable value of the land doubled? 

If this article is correct, then isn't this surely an prime example of
the special interests that HRP complains about, the same ones that control
the Government? In this, some $200 million of Federal money was invested
in the project, adding further to national debt.

Can anyone explain this somewhat extraordinary set of contradictions?



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: AIDS crisis
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:13:56 GMT

In article <adams.717708529@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:

>>>AIDS is not God's way of punishing the homosexuals for their lifestyle.

>>AIDS is not a punishment from God at all. It is a natural consequence
>>of ignoring the users manual. Sort of like jumping of a cliff. No punishment
>>but a lot of consequences.

>What user's manual?

I didn't get one either.  Luckily I have the source code, which is IMHO
much more useful.  Of course things have been a bit strange since the
GPL was adopted.

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
"I like Bill Clinton tremendously.  I know him from the governors' conferences.
The Democrats nominated their best person, a very able fellow.  The country is
well served by that choice." -Bush's re-election chair in NJ (Thomas Kean)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Quayle and Lawyers
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:52:47 GMT

In article <Oct.2.06.40.37.1992.28512@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>>> It is not necessary to always appeal only to logic when trying to
>>> convince a jury.
>> It is good of you to admit to your deliberate decision to be
>> illogical.
>Sir, I make no such admission.

When an argument of yours, addressed to Usenet readers, was pointed out as
illogical, you responded with the above statement.  The most reasonable reading
of that statement is as a defense of posting illogical arguments, in which
case what it says is that it is not necessary to use only logical arguments
and leave out illogical ones when trying to convince other readers of this
newsgroup.

Presumably, since you defended the posting of an illogical article, you
posted it on purpose.  If "to be illogical in an article" means to use an
illogical argument, it follows you deliberately decided to be illogical in the
article.

Is there anything here you can't follow?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.activism.d
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: Netcom San Jose
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:43:00 GMT

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes ...
>Why isn't a fetus considered a living entity??

It is.  So's a frog.

>I could understand if there were extreme circumstances, but what about
>abortions carried out simply because the parents think a child might
>be an inconvenience.  I could understand if perhaps it was known that a
>child would be born with major medical problems and not live very long if
>born. But each case must be looked at individually.

1) Who decides what are justifiable reasons?
2) Who looks at each individual case?

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Every improvement in communication
ray@netcom.com                 makes the bore more terrible"  Frank Moore Colby
From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-925-1300 -- If you want Perot for President
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:06:25
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU's message of 29 Sep 92 05:40:00 GMT

In article <01GPC623DHHS001A4L@utarlg.uta.edu> B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (STEPHEN TICE) writes:

> A tally is being made of the calls that come in.
> 
> So if you want Ross to declare his candidacy 
> call 1-800-925-1300. 

What's the number I should call if I think that Perot has already had
his 15 minutes of fame, and that he is already getting considerably
more attention than he deserves, and that I want him to go away and
quit bothering us?
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Love or Sex
From: mlbruce@husc8.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce)
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:44:28 GMT

bkdavis@eos.ncsu.edu (B K DAVIS) writes:


>Which would you rather have ? Would you rather be in love with a person and 
>spend time together, or would you rather have sex with people (safe people ie
>no diease)? Are there any lovers out there ? I mean people who take their time
>plot and plan a seduction, not a get drunk wham bam. 

This is a good question; what is it doing on "alt.rush-limbaugh", though?
As far as I know, the only time in recent weeks that Rush has discussed
love was with the D.C. caller who was smitten with a Liberal. (By the way, as
the ex-boyfriend of a Liberal black feminist, I took great interest in
this particular exchange; does anyone out there have other thoughts about it,
or interesting stories relevant to it?) To Brian: I don't know if this was
cross-posted in the first place, but if it wasn't, have you considered
"alt.romance"? Btw I (a virgin anyway) would choose Love, as I'm sure
would a vast majority of Dittoheads.

>Brian
>Tetsu Yama
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: What is Wrong with this Picture....
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:51:09 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Sep29.004053.1155@u.washington.edu>  skaven@milton.u.washington.edu (William Gilliland) writes:
>
> I want you to to look up that big long word that Ellen very discretely
> slipped in just before her .sig file.  It, and the context of her post,
> reveal that she is being sarcastic (SAR-kah-stick) and has a far firmer
> grasp on the conversation than you realized.

You have a firm grasp on something, but it's not the conversation...

> Since Ellen's post (and a damn funny one that) flew over your head

This is rich.  Richly ironic, that is.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex,alt.politics.clinton
From: jcburt@cs.wm.edu (John Burton)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Organization: The College of William and Mary
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.192023.1578@newshost.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>Simple questions to shut up a right to lifer
>>
>>"How many hungry kids have you fed today?"
>>"How many homeless kids have you taken into your home?"
>
>You ask those kids if they'd rather be where they are now or dead, and guess
>what they will answer.
>-- 

Hmmm...
  from what I've seen, the answer is that they would rather be
dead...care to take a look at many of the urban areas of the United
States...wonder why there are so many suicides and murders in those
areas, perhaps because the youth have no hope.
a significant percentage of the young people (under the age
of 30) really don't care if they live or die, and they really don't
care about the life of anyone else. 

Oh those TV ads showing those nice middle class kids in loving
families who *could* have been aborted...too bad they don't show
the other side of the coin...the little children growing up in
poverty and filth because their mother cannot afford to feed/clothe
them and keep them clean, the little children who are regularly
beaten for no reason other than they were born. The little ones
that grow up with no hope at all. And now, forcing more children
into this type of situation because some people want to outlaw
abortion....

No, I'm not pro-abortion, I think abortion should be up to the
individuals involved, not legislated by the government...

As for the question of when an embryo/fetus becomes a human being...
that is a religious question that generally depends upon the concept
of a soul...i.e. when does the soul enter the body? (soul is a
religious concept, not scientific). So, when is a fetus an
independent human being ? how about when it *can* survive as an
idependent human being? Until that point it can be considered 
a parasite or at best a symbiote...a tapeworm can survive 
as an independent entity better than a pre-third trimester
fetus/embryo, does this mean a tapeworm has a soul?

John



>*****  The Rink  *****   Programming is an art form that fights back.
>***                ***
>* ss1@kepler.unh.edu *   "But that no man is justified by the law in the
>***                ***    sight of God, it is evident:  for, The just shall
>*****  Cheers!!  *****    live by faith."  --  Galatians 3:11
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The draft and Vietnam
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:13:38 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <brian.718088313@coombs> brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian) writes:
>	I find you attitude John to the Vietnam extremely interesting.  Only
>in America is this seemingly belief in the "rightness" of the decision to
>go to war in Vietnam.  Despite your defeat at the hands of the Vietnamese
>people, the evidence of the lying that your leaders used, the masssive
>destruction visited upon the Vietnamese and the shenagins which your government
>got up to in that country, you still beleive in the basic "rightness" of
>waging war in Vietnam.
>	No where else in the world, even in the countries which were involved
>the closest in that war has this attitude continued.  I wonder why?  Could it
>be just as Germany under Hitler between the wars was unable to accept its
>defeat in 1918 as being anything else but a betrayal, could it be that the
>American right cannot concieve that the Vietnam war could well have been
>what it is viewed everywhere else in the world: a gigantic mistake?

Here's an interesting debate topic:

Resolved: the US won the Vietnam War.

Think about it a bit.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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