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From: bliznako@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Bliznakov, Plamen)
Subject: Re: what is going on with Jesair?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.160639.18239@danbo.bg>, daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev) writes...
>At the same time several planes of the company are frozen on different 
>airports.

As far as I know, Jes air currently operate just 2 leased Airbuses, and one
small business charter 9-seater, which is not used for regular flights. One 
Airbus is being held in Manchester, UK, until Jes air pays the fees due to
Eurocontrol (probably, the European traffic control organization). The fees
are about $ 680,000. The second Airbus still flies from Singapore to Australia 
and some Far East countries.

Because of the detained aircaft Jes air missed several flights (7 I think) 
and managed to provide other carriers transport passangers for 2 other
flights. However, they didn't pay Balkan Bulgarian Airlines for one of
these flights.

> 
>My suggestion is to use some other company, like Air France's flight
>to New York from Sofia, that costs $574 round trip (with a night in
>Paris included :).
> 

I think now the fare via Paris is $ 620, but still the best one for a
one-year RT ticket. Although, Bulgarians and some other nationals experience 
a lot of inconvinience waiting for several hours for a French transit visa at 
Orly airport. Also, I am not sure if any other nationals except Bulgarians 
are eligible for this fare for Sofia-New York-Sofia.


>Daniel

The flights of Balkan Bulgarian Airlines ( by Boeing 767 ) from Sofia to
New York with departures on Mondays and Fridays are supposed to start in 
December.

Plamen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: vladimir@cs.UAlberta.CA (Vladimir Alexiev)
Subject: Re: what is going on with Jesair?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:13:13 GMT

svilen@glasgow.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev) writes:

>A friend of mine was supposed to return from BG ( with Jesair ) a couple  
>of days ago. We all know about the fuzzy state of Jesair, so my wild guess  
>is something did happen with that company. 
I have a ticket for Dec 9 from Ottawa to Sofia.
Today my girlfriend called me from Bulgaria weeping
and told me that the fu**cken airline owes 23 mln. leva
to Balkan; one of its planes is captured in London
(probably because of financial debts) and the other
is broken in NY (and there are no more).
  This was "what the newspapers wrote" so because
I still remember the hype they made around Balkanbank
some an year ago, I still have some hope of returning home.
DAMN!
From: chemae@jane.uh.edu (Todorov, Stanislav S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Replies
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:41 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <98637@netnews.upenn.edu>, givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace 
Maverick) writes...

        [his stuff deleted -- see # 1715 s.c.bg -- since you all know by now 
         that is is simply a continuation of his arrogant call to, in effect, 
         ban Bulgarian from the net]

There are two possible anwers to this, depending on this person's identity:

1.  Dear Mr. George Ace Maverick,

    It is very important for bulgarians everywhere on the net to be able to
    communicate with each other.  While the majority of us _are_ fluent in 
    English, there are those who do not speak it sufficiently well, or at all.
    However, their contributions to the n.g. are very valuable.  There are 
    many ways to encode cyrillic-to-latin to get the message through -- unfor-
    tunately this n.g. has not agreed on a standard yet (and probably doesn't
    really need one due to the informal nature of the postings).

    BTW, while s.c.b. was having this transliteration discussion, exactly the 
    same was happening in s.c.greek and s.c.turkey (and the greeks definitely
    do _not_ use the latin alphabet, right?).  So this is a widespread problem
    and is being solved more or less successfully in the different newsgroups
    with just a little application of patience and tolerance.

    So, please bear with us a bit longer -- we may arrive at a readable
    compromise accepted by all (well  .... by most).

    Best regards,

    Stan

2.  Uvazhaemi gospodin Georgi Ivanov,

    Bih te zapital, izpolzuvajki narodnata mqdrost:

    "Koga stana ciganin, koga ti pochernya gqza?"

    Vsichko hubavo,

    Slavi


OK, OK, so maybe version 2 has little to do with tolerance, but if I may resort 
to an "old Bulgarian saying" once again:

    Kakvoto povikalo, takova se obadilo.

Ayde chao.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: peter@itnux2.cineca.it (Peter Yovchev)
Subject: Re: He will but how? (was Re: Will the king come back?)
Organization: Laboratorio di Fisica Computazionale, INFM. Trento Italia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:36:08 GMT

lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:

Was he? I think that no Bulgarian monarch from the 3rd Bulgarian kingdom
>had a crown :-). But maybe you are right - it is possible that he can
>receive the same 'crown' again in 50 years. It maight be more 'thorny' than
>his father's one.

I want just to share my recent impression.
A couple of days ago I spoke with one 80 years old Italian.
When he understood that I'm Bulgarian, he first thing he said was:
-<<Bulgaria - paese delle rose.>> (Bulgaria - the country of the roses)
and then :
-<<Voi avetse avuto una Regina dei Savoi>> (You had had one Queen
of the Savoia dinasty)
-<<Mi ricordo bene anche' il vostro Re, Boris - il machinista>>
(I remember well also your King , Boris - that one that drove
 a train )
And we begun a long conversation about our Royal family.
In the context of a rising xenophobia in West Europe
and a closed village society here in the heart of the Alpes
this conversation was a miracle. /Bulgaria has not a good
reputation here in Italy - remember the process against Sergei Antonov/





>>Haide pak sqs zdrave

>Da e na hairliya


>Luben



>-----------------------------------------------------------
>I am a republican, socialist and a communist, but
>I put above all King Victor Emmanuel II.

>				Giuseppe Garibaldi
>-----------------------------------------------------------a

Seems that all Italians are a little bit royalists.

s pozdrav

Peter Yovchev
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 22 Nov 1992 00:40:53 EST
From: <IO20905@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: women in the theatre?

Last May, while in Blagoevgrad, I talked with a director from Sofia,
who was directing a show at the Dramatichen Teatur in Blagoevgrad.
We asked him about women playwrights, directors, and scene designers.
He said there weren't any, or very few well-known ones, working.

How do women get involved in theatre, if they're not actors?
Why are there so few women in the producing and technical aspect?
What changes have you noticed in theatre since 1989?
What would you like to see in the theatre?

Looking forward to your responses, all you Bulgarian theatre fans!

Blagodarya.  Leka nosh(t).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: An article on Macedonia in "The Guardian" - 13th Nov.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:12:25 GMT

In article <6757@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>
>Hi,

 Hi Luben, too!

>But maybe the new initiative by the Greek gov (about border guarantees)
>will bring new development for Macedonia? I still believe that the main
>reason for Greece's objections is (and Serbia's) is the fear of Macedonia
>uniting with Bulgaria (as both countries realise quite well that the
>history and the hidden/changed Bulgarian ethnicy of the Vardar Macedonians is
>towards its end). This was the well known goal of the Macedonian Bulgarians
>during the struggle for autonomous Macedonia 70 - 100 years ago but now the
>matters are different and Greece shouldn't fear about such developments.


 I cannot see why Greece would object any Bulgaria-Skopjia unification.
 As long as there is no Russian inspired (for bypassing the Dardanelles)
 irredentism against Greece again.

 My assessment though is that Bulgarian-Skopjian relations are not
 that of West-East Germany, but that one of all the Arab countries
 (500 years of Ottomans has left deep roots on the way which the
 people conduct their ambitions, inspirations and both public and 
 private relations). (If you think that Pan-Bulgarianism has stronger
 medieval and modern historical case than Pan-Arabism, I would like 
 to be informed the rational).

 Best regards,

 Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: pvgunm@pioneer.unm.edu (Peter V. Gadjokov)
Subject: Re: Posting in English
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 02:49:09 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article <97854@netnews.upenn.edu> givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace Maverick) writes:
>
>	Please, STOP posting articles in pseudo Bulgarian. We get a precious
>few nonbulgarian readers of this newsgroup as it is. Pseudo Latin/pseudo
>Bulgarian interpretations of the alphabet are annoying as hell!
>If you don't know English, tough luck, cause then you don't deserve to use
> "the network"  in the first place.
>	Either hack Pnews, so it will accept redefined variations of the 
>standard ASCII character set without spilling out garbage, or QUIT posting
>gibberish!
>
>Later.
>
>

It is indeed highly regrettable that you find these postings infernally
annoying. Unfortunately the Bulgarian language happens to be quite important
to some people posting to this group and unless you could think of a better
way communicating bulgarian through what you call "the network" gibberish 
will continue to appear in the future and disturb your peace.

I doubt that the knowledge of English is a requirement for using the INTERnet.
Nor is tollerance. But while a lack of command of English may make communicationdifficult, lack of tollerance can make it IMPOSSIBLE. Hopefully the speakers
of Bulgarian only will eventually improve their linguistic skills. Similarly
I hope you will adapt to seeing (or maybe even learn to understand) postings
in Bulgarian. If not, then it will probably be tough luck for you, and you'll
deserve to be ignored. 

Peter V Gadjokov
pvgunm@pioneer.unm.edu

postings will be 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: svilen@glasgow.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev)
Subject: what is going on with Jesair?
Reply-To: svilen@glasgow.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:07:00 GMT

A friend of mine was supposed to return from BG ( with Jesair ) a couple  
of days ago. We all know about the fuzzy state of Jesair, so my wild guess  
is something did happen with that company. 

Do you have any info?


Regards, Svilen
From: radenski@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: NABLYUDENIE (observation)
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:32:02 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Slednoto saobshtenie na givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu 
(George Ace Maverick) predizvika mnogo komentary:

>
>	Please, STOP posting articles in pseudo Bulgarian. We get a precious
>few nonbulgarian readers of this newsgroup as it is. Pseudo Latin/pseudo
>Bulgarian interpretations of the alphabet are annoying as hell!
>If you don't know English, tough luck, cause then you don't deserve to use
> "the network"  in the first place.
>	Either hack Pnews, so it will accept redefined variations of the 
>standard ASCII character set without spilling out garbage, or QUIT posting
>gibberish!
>
>Later.
>

Prochetoh 15 sledvashti saobshtenia. Nyakoi kritikuvaha tova na Georgi,
drugi komentiraha latinizirane na bulgarskata azbuka. Uchudvashto e, che:

	1. Nyama nito edno mnenie v poddrazhka na Gyorgevoto, t.e., che
ne biva da se izpolzuva psevdo-bulgarski v mrezhata.

	2. Prakticheski vsichki reakcii na gornoto saobshtenie
poddarzhat izpolzuvaneto na Bulgarski ezik v grupata.

	3. VSICHKI PUBLIKACII, KOITO SE POYAVIHA SLED GORESPOMENATATA,
SA NA ANGLIYSKI, VKLUCHITELNO TEZI, KOITO NYAMAT OTNOSHENIE KAM NEYA.

Interesno yavlenie, nali?

Bih popital ot lyubopitstvo: nyakoy bulgarin izpratil li e pismo po
poshtata na svoite roditeli, napisano na bulgarski, no s latiniza?
Predpolagam, che povecheto roditeli biha predpocheli da ne poluchat
takova pismo. Po-vazrastnite hora znayat, che ne e lesno da 
razdelish ezika ot azbukata.

S pozdrav,

Atanas Radenski
From: A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE)
Subject: 3ALOBOP npomuB DUC & DOGAN...
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:22:16 GMT


Tokuwto ^cuh po BBC ot Dimitqr DIMITROV (Sofi@) interesen analiz:

Spored nego glavnata pri^cinata za svalyaneto na SAVOV bila mnimata
opasnost ot zagovor srewtu DPS (& ASlP?), za kogoto DPS pritexavalo
pismeni dokazatelstva. V zagovora bili zameseni osven SAVOV, Svetoslav
LU^CNIKOV, Ivan TATAR^CEV i gen. Bogomil BONEV (glaven sekretar v MVR).
Posledni@t igral vaxna rol@ kato wef na n@kakva Plovdivska operativna grupa...

Poradi uverenostta si v dostovernostta na tazi informaci@, DPS ne xelaelo, da se
sqglasi, tezi liza da prodqlxavat da zaemat v bqdewte takiva otgovorni postove.
A DPS xelae da poeme min.n.pravosqdieto (& MVR?).

No spored n@kolko v poslednite dni izgotveni anketi, gol@amoto mnozinstvo se
izkazalo kategorichno protiv poemaneto na vaxni pravitelstveni funkcii ot DPS|

V SDS smjatat, ^ce tuk otnovo e zamesen gen.ASPARUHOV ot NRS (_HPC_).

go ckopo OTHOBO,
       B^agu

P.S.: V^cera po _XoPu3oHm_ sqvsem iznenadvawto spomenaha sluhove, spored
      koito imalo gotov plan za ubijstvo na DOGAN. Ubiecqt mu samo ^cakal da
      bqde snabden s neregistrirano v stranata orqxie...  NSO (_HCO_) makar
      skeptichno nastroeno kqm sluhovete povishilo ohranata na DOGAN.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: chris@barrister.ucs.uoknor.edu (Chris L Petroff	)
Subject: Re: Posting in English
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:20:48 GMT
Reply-To: chris@barrister.ucs.uoknor.edu
Organization: University of Oklahoma Cumputing Services

|>From: givanv@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace Maverick)
|>
|>	Please, STOP posting articles in pseudo Bulgarian. We get a precious
|>few nonbulgarian readers of this newsgroup as it is. Pseudo Latin/pseudo
|>Bulgarian interpretations of the alphabet are annoying as hell!
|>If you don't know English, tough luck, cause then you don't deserve to use
|> "the network"  in the first place.
|>	Either hack Pnews, so it will accept redefined variations of the 
|>standard ASCII character set without spilling out garbage, or QUIT posting
|>gibberish!
|>
|>Later.

Hello,

	I am American born to a Bulgarian father (who 'immigrated' a few years after
Bulgaria was 'Liberated'...  :-(  ).  I do not speak or read Bulgarian, but I have enjoyed
seeing snatches of it here in the postings...  I think it would be a shame to try to
restrict all postings to English.  There are many postings in other groups which are in
French, Portuguese, and German (to name a few).  I do not think it unappropriate for
persons to post in Bulgarian if they wish.  Perhaps you might include a translation if
you want someone like myself to understand it!   As for attracting more readers 
(or causing some to leave), I think that the readership of this group will always be
limmited to those with more than a passing curiosity of Bulgaria, and these persons
will not be driven off simply because they cannot read a few of the postings.  

Those are my thoughts....
An opinion freely given, and surely worth what was chanrged for it!

Chris Petroff
University of Oklahoma (USA)
Computing Services
Internet:  chris@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
Bitnet:      CHRIS@UOKUCSVX
From: givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace Maverick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Anything goes
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:34:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

>>
>>     1. There was not a single posting that agrees with 
>>he above one.
>>
>>     2. Practically all follow-ups advocate posting in Bulgarian.
>>
>>     3. ALL POSTINGS THAT APPEARED AFTER THE ABOVE ONE, EVEN THOSE
>>UNRELATED TO IT, WERE IN ENGLISH.
>>Interesting phenomenon, isn't it? 

>>Well, you certainly seem to think so.  Why don't you share your insights with
>>the rest of us so we'll know what you're getting at?
              ...
>I guess most parents would rather not hear from their children, than 
>>read Bulgarian in Latin. They are older people and they know that 
>>you cannot separate the language from the alphabet.
	My notions exactly.
>I think you may be on thin ice here, Atanas; language can --and does-- exist
>independently of any writing system at all.There are still non-literate

	Are you saying that language can exist independently of the writing
 system. Now, frankly I find this hard to accept.

>cultures that have no need of alphabets, and plenty of illiterate people (in
>Bulgaria and elsewhere) who would disagree with your assertion.
	I  seriously doubt it. 
>On the other hand, there are written languages (Latin, for one) that belong to>noone and that serve no authentic communicative purpose.  Oral language as a
>natural phenomenon seems to have primacy over written forms.
	Maybe it's better for you to share your insights to us. If oral
language is more "primal" why post articles :)
	Since I was asked by someone what I meant by the pseudo part..
Well, frankly I dislike reading someone's ASCII interpretation of Bulgarian. In
fact that in itself is not too bad, if it wasn't for the incredible
ways that people do it. Every other person has his own version and every other
person claims his is the best. That's why the suggestion of translating the
the articles makes sense (boy what a NET waste). Now, please don't tell me
that if  you have no idea of the language and you see more than three 
consonants in a row, you'll feel compelled to learn the language :).
Either do it right, or don't bother doing it.

Enough said. 
Please mail me all flames  and comments. 
Hasta.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE)
Subject: Provalqt na F.DIMITROV + SDS...
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:07:59 GMT


Kakto ot zav^cera ve^ce zamirisa, provalqt na F.D.DIMITROV + SDS be
pqlen: ot 228 prisqstvawti pri tajnoto glasuvane
          124 se okazaha PROTIV,
   a samo 104 za nego. (Vqzdqrxali se n@mawe.)

Tozi resultat izglexda, ^ce vse pak e iznenadal gol@ma ^cast ot SDS i
n@koi ne se sdqrxali da ne osvirkvat v posoka na prezidentskata loxa, prisqxdajk
mu vinata za slu^ciloto se.

Sega na red da sqstavi (svoe?) pravitelstvo e vtorata po golemina parlamentarna
grupa na BSP| No se O^cakva prezidentqt da natovari tehen predstavitel ne
po-rano ot 1 do 2 sedmici, a sled tova srok^t za predstav@neto mu e pak 1 sedm.

Ako i tozi opit se provali, nared wte bqde DSP. Dogan vednaga obewta, v
takqv slu^caj, da predostavi sqstav@neto otnovo na SDS, tqj kato DPS ne bilo
vqobshte v sqsto@nie da stori tova samo. (No to togava ima dosta vreme, i
kakvo dejstvitelno wte se slu^ci, tr@bva - gotovi da vidim naj-izum@vawti hodove
da iz^cakame.)

^eka How, BG |
               B^agu


P.S.:
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: A7571DAC@vm.univie.ac.at (TIETZE)
Subject: "ARSENALCI" blokirali TULOVO...
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:07:53 GMT


Kakto sqobwti BBC/BG section,
v^cera okolo 1 000 "orqxejnici" ot zavoda _"APCEHA^"/KA3AH^qK_ blokirawti ot
zav^cera podbalkanskata x.p.-vrqzka mexdu severna i Qxna BG i pod-balkanskata
x.p.-lini@ (Sofi@-Burgaz) bili ^casti^cno zameseni v stqlknoveni@ sqs spezi@ni-
te policejski ^casti zaemawti pozicii kraj gara _TY^OBO_.

Orqxejnite sdelki bili zamrazeni, a produkci@ na stojnost nad 1 000 000 000 ^EBA
blokirali skladovete, dokato "drugi strani" pravili pe^calbite.

S blokadata si te ve^ce postignaha edna ot celite si, da obqrnat vnimanie na
neblagopri@tnoto im poloxenie. Kak wte se razvi@t sqbitiqta natatqk vse owte ne
e @sno, i makar, ^ce centralnite vlasti se strem@t da izbegnat vs@kakvi
sblqskvani@, vse n@koj (po-niw ^cin) e bil dal n@akakva provokirawta zapoved ili
podobno narexdane dovelo do proizwstvieto.

B^agu

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