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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 Longwave
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:37:23 BST

Keith Mitchell (keith@unipalm.co.uk) wrote:
: Maybe the solution is to have R6 on FM, and R4 on LW, since those who
: seem to be reactionary about news programming also seem to have a smilar
: attitude to FM :-)

well that's what the BBC used to do .... i.e. gulf war news was on fm
and parliamentary broadcast used to be on fm because at that stage
the fm coverage wasn't considered sufficiently general so lw was
retained as the main carrier to ensure everyone could get the 
scheduled programs. of course what happened then was lots of
people complaining that they had to listen to drama on low
quality lw while the gulf war news bulletins had the benefit of
fm stereo :-)

i don't think the bbc can win.

: Seriously, though, the Government's views on simultaneous frequency use
: don't seem to be congruent with the public's, and 24-hour news *can*
: be boring. How about having R6 as an opt-in only when there is big news,
: or even better, extend coverage of the World Service on 648kHz MW to
: the whole of the UK ?

one of the problems with world service is that if it is designed to
broadcast to the UK then performers fees etc go up and also the
foreign office become less happy about paying for it.

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From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:28:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: martin.baines@uk.sun.com's message of 12 Oct 92 11:33:30 GMT

In article <1bbnqaINN96v@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) writes:

   In my view the situation is  like (say) BP floating
   off a subsidiary: I own shares in BP and expect them to
   get a good price when they sell off the sunsidiary. I then
   have the right to buy new shares in the subsidiary.

   I don't see any difference in this from the "Government"
   selling share in (say) BT.

The difference is that the Government has been *deliberately* selling
off shares in the nationalised industries at artificially LOW prices.
To continue with your company analogy, the directors (government
ministers) have deliberately sold company assets for much less than
they were worth. This is a clear breach of a director's
responsibilities and duties as defined in the Companies Acts. 

I wonder how our government ministers would act if they were subject
to the same strictures which apply to company directors? Or
councillors in local government for that matter...

		Jim
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Salaries
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:53:37 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct12.232336.12072@nuscc.nus.sg>, hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
> 
> Question:
> 	Assume a basic salary of 17,000 pounds a year. Before tax.
> 	Assume that there is sufficient capital to buy house without
> having to take out a mortgage.
> 	Is the salary enough to live on in S.W. England (husband, wife
> two small children)?
> 	What do people think (restrain yourself, Laurence)?

You'll be OK, but you won't be going on too many holidays and you
won't be living in the centre of a city.

Jason

> 
> Richard Pennell, History, NUS
From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:27:30 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Oct12.162812.3159@maths.nott.ac.uk> anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) writes:
>
>but my wife is very sensitive].  Even in the pubs, it seems to be only in
>the evening that most people light up, and we don't seem to get the "fug"
>of years ago.  Perhaps it's just the places I frequent?
>
Probably. I was in a pub in Berkhamsted towards the end of last December. Very
hot (below freezing outside, but I had to sit next to an *open* window to
breathe!), very smoky. The worrying aspect was that it was all young people,
say from 20 to 25, who were smoking. So I left.

tin.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:45:00 GMT
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct14.095310.9494@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> In article <26805@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
|> > In the end, when the question comes to "which bits of the welfare state
|> > will we cut?" it'll be interesting to see if the middle classes will
|> > really say "Cut the poor, don't touch our mortgage subsidy!"
|> > 
|> They already have. Why else do you think we've still got that Mr Major at
|> number 10?

Last week, the Economist suggested that one place to cut is
entitlement payments to those who don't need them.   The
article is worth reading.

jon.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:27:06 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>|> In Ireland, a sod is a lump of peat (turf), (which an Englisman would
>|> probably call a clod [of earth]).
>
>but might very well call a 'sod' too.

or a 'divot'.  Americans (golfers at least) call the hole the sod came out of,
the divot.

American golfers talk of their ball being "in a divot".

"Sod off, you clod!"
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From: matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:19:22 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <henk.718532012@dutepp17> h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl (Henk Jonkers) writes:
>By the way, something different, what's the correct pronunciation of
>the name "John Menzies"?
>Henk Jonkers      ( H.Jonkers@et.tudelft.nl )



Well Henk if one has been born and brought up in Morningside then the
correct pronunciation is 'Mingies'.  However every other person on the
planet pronounces it as spelt...

I myself go with the majority verdict.

	Matt
	Business Studies
	University of Edinburgh
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From: cmp0136@sys.uea.ac.uk (P. Arnold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:49:10 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.


>>I wonder what would happen if the British and the Irish military decided handed
>>in to work on a peaceful resolution to the Northern Irsih problem.
>>

>Oh, you can't write English either?

That's not very nice.

>>It was agreed in the 1920's that 6 Irish counties that wanted to remain under
>>the Crown, went its way.
>>

>Bullshit.  6 was the number over which there was a comfortable unionist 
>majority.  At least 2 and maybe 4 of these counties had Nationalist
>majorities.

Could someone explain this?  How can there be a Unionist and a Nationalist
majority in the same county??

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PS  My soloution - Call in the UN and let other soldiers get shot at.
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Cities with 7 hills (was Responding to the Nick and Jon challeng
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:49:44 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <F5PosB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
> Bernard BELL <BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
> - In-Reply-To: luchini@nhmfl.fsu.edu (Marco Luchini)
> - >> Rome is the only city that I know of that has 7 hills.
> - >Tallahassee, FL, is also built on seven hills.  And it is much more
> - >unpleasant than Rome.
> - Edinburgh also has seven hills and is  much more pleasant than Rome.
> - So, DSY, don't be so dogmatic about a book that's intended to be
> - mysterious. Why are fundamentalists always so concerned to remove
> - all the mysteries of the Bible?  What room is left for faith?
> 
>   A simple point:  The only city in john's time that had 7 hills was Rome!!
> Please read the verse carefully, and note the historic relevance.

But since John seemed to know all about the EC when he was making his
prediction, we surely can presume that he knew about Edinburgh too?  
Or are you suggesting he mixed up prophecy and the geography of the
ancient world in the same sentence?  You can't have it both ways, you
know. Either he was prophecying about future times, or complaining
about present times.

Jason

> Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley)
Subject: Re: Reading scripts and scores
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 06:36:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
>quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley) writes:
>>I must be missing something here.  Do playwrights write plays to be
>>acted or to be read?  Do you read opera?  Do you read film scores?  
>>Laban?  Stockhausen?  To be really insulting, do you read synchronised 
>>swimming scripts, and let your 'imagination' provide the performance?  
>
>     Directors and conductors had better keep on reading scripts and
>scores or there won't *be* any performances.  And what they may do, 
>members of the audience may also do to deepen their understanding of
>the performance they're going to see -- or just saw. 

Quite right, my point exactly.  Ever checked the subscription list
of your local SO though?  We are talking about making something *compulsory*
for *all* children--not those who choose to go to the opera (or whatever).

>                         I've never read any Stockhausen but I expect
>it would be a considerable help and if anyone dragged me to a Stock-
>hausen concert I would attend equipped with xeroxed score and little
>flashlight.  

Quite so, I do the same, although I usually prepare in advance.  But
would you consider studying a SH score in the *absence* of any possible
performance?  Just for fun, as it were?

>might at a musical performance.  You *don't* do this sort of thing?
>Well, let me reveal to you that there's a whole new level of active
>participation that you haven't experienced: lower than actually playing
>first cello or Second Murderer but higher than just sitting in the
>forty fifth row trying to look enraptured.

Of course, you are quite right.  I am suggesting that a score *on its
own* is like farting in the wind.  The performance without the score is
fine.  The performance with the score, as you say, for most of us adds 
another dimension.

But let's go back to the plain old score on its own.  Is it worth studying?

Mart
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: norr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil.orr)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:22:11 GMT

But did you know that the Scots speak the best German, French and
most certainly Dutch (but not all at the one time) ?

As for the rest pf the British Isles - ever heard Gazza talking
Italian ?
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:26:50 GMT
	<1bi91mINNlpi@fido.asd.sgi.com>
	<1992Oct15.012818.1733@morrow.stanford.edu>
	<1bik3eINNsmm@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com's message of 15 Oct 92 02:13:02 GMT

In article <1bik3eINNsmm@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

   The reality is that *no-one* knows how to price shares. 

Up to a point I agree with this. In the case of the privatisations, a
good starting price would have been capitalise the company at least at
the value of its assets (basic common sense). This was never done. For
example Royal Ordnance was sold for #50M (I think) when the land
around just 1 of its factories was worth more than that. BAe, owners
of RO, are now asset-stripping. The factory is closed (or closing) and
the land earmarked for property development.

Taxpayers 0, BAe shareholders 1

On top of the under-capitalisation, a premium should have been paid on
these shares since the companies were, in the main, monopolies which
could be relied upon to generate healthy and increasing profits. Not
suprisingly, the government didn't do this either as they were using
privatisation to (a) satisfy their political prejudices and (b) buy
votes by promoting these share issues as dead certs.

Taxpayers 0, privatised shareholders 1.

		Jim
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dum dee dum...
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:05:03 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <10554@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip) writes:
> I know: I (almost) only ever post to this group when I want something.
> 
> Well... what gives? Any news gratefully received. When last I heard,
> things were getting interesting for the Pargitters.
> 
That's right. The only programmes I've heard recently have entirely
concentrated on the Pargetter/Archer/Aldridge axis.

Briefly. Mummy is definitely setting Nigel up with Debbie Aldridge---she even
invited Ma and Pa Aldridge to dinner to assess how much they were worth.
Lizzie, Nigel and Debbie all know this. Debbie treats it as a huge joke; Nigel
feels sorry for Lizzie while still treating it as a joke while Lizzie herself
is very upset whenever there is talk of Nigel and Debbie doing anything 
together. (Debbie is now working part-time for the Pargetter estate and does
presentations with Nigel occasionally.)

The future does seem to hold possibilities for a Pargetter/Archer union. Who
knows? Meanwhile Mummy and Nelson are getting on like a house on fire; they are
more or less an item, though Mummy seems to be just playing with Nelson. (He
had to hire a DJ for the Dinner Party, which she didn't like at all.

The only other thing that has happened is that Granny Archer is spending more
and more time with her American friend Con, who is beginning to make passes at
her. Jack is unhappy, but just throws himself into his work rather than have it
out with her. Stupid man!

> Also, any news on a possible Omnibus on the World Service?
> 
Haven't heard anything.
-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Driving in UK.
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:28:15 GMT

In article <BvuE98.3yp@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.183036.5681@software.org> antonson@software.org (Todd S. Antonson) writes:
>>
>>I am going to England for a week in November and plan to get a
>>rental car.  Does anybody know if I need to get an international
>>drivers license and if so, where I get it?  I currently have a
>>Virginia (USA) drivers license.
>>
>I always produce my California licence and have never had a problem.
>
>tin.
>
	The last time we hired a car in Britain the woman doing
	the paperwork said that as long as they could read it, they
	would accept it.  This was Godfrey Davis BTW.

	Alec Chambers
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:53:43 GMT

In article <Bvn5HB.JLw@newcastle.ac.uk> Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby) writes:
>
>In article <BvH3MI.KrD@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v064myby@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta) writes:
>
>>
>>	PS How many Brits can tell the difference between a Canadian &
>>an American?
>>					
>
>Thats easy, the one who hits you after you've called them american is the canadian
>.
>
> Trev
>bleep

   If the person pronounces "out" like "oat" the person is a Canadian.
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From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Responding to the Nick and Jon challenge (Re: challenge to DSY...Was
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:17:11 GMT
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:


>Quoting verse 3 "Suddenly a red Dragon appeared, with 7 heads, and ten horns,
>                 and 7 crowns on his heads"

> The 10 horns represent 10 nations that will fuse the Revived Roman Empire,
>and the 7 Crowns representing 7 nations that were fully willing to go along,
>and the other 3, reluctant partners.  

Stuff and nonsense! I have it from Gabriel himself that 7+10+7=24, and that
the Red Dragon is China, of course, with its 24 provinces. And 24=8*3.
Eight is a lucky number in China, and 3 refers to the ancient Three
Kingdoms (San Guo). 7 is "qi" (second tone) in Chinese, a pun on "qi"
(third tone), which means "to rise": the Red Dragon rises. It's
abundantly obvious, that's what it is. Pas besoin d'aller chercher
midi a` quatorze heures avec des couillonnades d'Empire Romain en
resuce'e!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Service (or lack thereof)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:39:40 GMT

In article <BvuELH.41B@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.064515.19536@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct9.002430.1222@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
> >> 
> >> He says he'd just rather stay in California.  Not very many
> >> encounters with smokers around here. 
> >
> >That's sad.
> >
> 
> Why?

That he would be happy to limit/curtail his global experience simply so he
doesn't have to try to avoid cigarette smoke. It feels sort of defeatist
to me.

Don't think I like (or tolerate) smoke, I just keep looking for nice
places where I can avoid it, in perhaps what might be an otherwise 
smoky environment. France is a good example; cigarette smoking is pervasive
here, but you can still escape if you try.

Simon.

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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:03:55 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:


>Glasgow is pronounced, not with an 'ou' as in 'ouch', but 'GLAS-go', or
>'Du-mp', if you come from Embra.

Aww! The Ed'nbra traditionalists are peeved at the upstart again :-)

Just a thought, the village near where I stay is called Kilmalcolm,
pronounce Kilmalcolm.

Dave (from quite near Glesgu)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Betting on the Prez
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:12:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.173821.18501@pony.Ingres.COM>, cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin
Morris) writes:

|>In article <PLUMMER.92Oct10131431@nutmeg.cs.swarthmore.edu>
|>plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer) writes:

|> You can go to legalized brothels (in
|>some counties) but you can't bet on the next president. An interesting
|>sense of priorities.

Ah But can you bet on the brothel the president will go to next?


--
Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Free Trade (was Re: Currency Problems)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.144218.9363@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.094857.23893@osf.org>, sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
> > Why do you have to use lorries? What's wrong with rail? I believe they
> > normally run rails to the major ports.
> > 
> If it's too expensive to ask BR to run a train five miles between coal mine and
> power station it is certainly too expensive to ask them to run a train between
> the port and the power station. Remember Simon, I'm replying to you assertion
> that it is more expensive to transport coal from a nearby coal mine than from
> the other side of the Atlantic.
> 
> And since this last post of mine was about comparative pollution costs I think
> you'll agree that running a train from port to power station costs more in
> pollution than running a train from mine-just-up-the-road to power station,
> even before we add on the sea crossing.

And my point is that this whole situation is completely contrived and
about as sensible as suggesting that the coal was transport using pack
animals compared to rail. It wouldn't be done that way. 

Besides, transport costs are only one factor in the equation.

Simon.

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