HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:46:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.155606.1057@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug24.202134.25203@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>> Hi.  Lea is 7 months old.  My sister suggested that I get her a walker - her 
>My pediatritian said that if you use a walker the kid will most likely
>be a toe walker and since this makes balance more difficult the child
>will walk later.  Personal data to date shows this to be true.  My daughter
>walked flat footed at 10.5 months (no walker).  My sisters kids both used
>them and were both toe walkers and walked at 12.5 and 13.5 months.  My
>nephew walked on his toes until well after his second birthday.
>
>Just some data,
>
>Karen

 Justine used a walker and walked at 10 months. I don't know if she was
 a toe walker or not.

 7 months sounds almost too late to use one. If one of you thinks 
 it dangerous then don't bother or get one and take the wheels off.

 Mike N.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: failure
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:19:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <BtyGqE.FMq@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS) writes:
>I have not had any children yet so I can't speak form experience 
>but, IMHO I don't think anyone should fell like a failure for 
>taking pain medication or for having a c-section.
...stuff about having a healthy baby being most important.

Since I started this thread, I feel compelled to clarify again :-).
I think there is a big difference between feeling you missed something
and feeling like a failure.  I do feel I missed something, but I don't 
feel like a failure.  I also don't dwell on this a lot.  I agree that
having a healthy baby is much more important than their method of entry
into the world.

>I'm not big on pain so when my time comes if I need an epidural or a 
>c section I will go for it.

I felt the same way before I gave birth to Caitie.  I actually thought I
would welcome a C-section :-).  So I don't know why I have this feeling
of having missed something--I thought I was prepared.  Obviously, as
we've heard, people have various levels of this feeling, from none, to
intense.  It all depends on the person, the details of their experience, 
etc...

--Stanzi
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 18:27:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: nasuea, sick, barf!

In article <1992Sep1.162514.13595@nas.nasa.gov> tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:
>In article <21962@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, lev@ipxed5.nswses.navy.mil (Lloyd E Vancil) writes:
>|> 
>|> Does anyone out there have a remedy for morning
>|> sickness other than post partum?
>
>You might try the wrist bands that people use when sailing to
>avoid sea sickness.  I've been looking all around for them,
>but you can probably purchase them at a store that sells
>sailing equipment.

They're called "Sea Bands".  We tried them.  They seem to work by supressing
the gag reflex, not by stopping the nausea.  My wife has hyperemesis, and
so we've tried everything we could think of, but about the only things that
seemed to make any difference were: eat constantly and consistently; sleep
on a very consistent schedule.  If you figure out anything, let me know...

D

-- 
========================================================================
Dave Smythe   N6XLP    dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 2nd Pregnancy Thoughts and Home Tests
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:55:32 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1684DAF79.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
> 
>  If you are willing to go through all the trouble and inaccuracies of testing
>with a home pregnancy test extra-early, why not take your (oral) temperature?
>If it is above 98 degrees and STAYS above 98 degrees (take it every morning
>before rising), you are most likely pregnant.
>  I read about this 'sign of pregnancy' in a book by Sheldon Cherry, M.D.
>_For Women Only_ , I think, was the title.  It worked for me.  The temperature
>goes up and stays up after conception.
> 
>                        K. Wilk
>                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
> 

  Other people have already replied to this post, but I want to be sure no
one is confused -- your temperature should rise **after ovulation**;  there
is no way to pinpoint the occurence or non-occurence of conception with
this method.  In the days after ovulation, the temp will stay high, 
regardless of whether or not conception has occurred.  However, if your
temp stays up *after* your period is due, then you may be pregnant.  But
by that time you can do a home pregnancy test anyway.
  I'm a big fan of the basal temperature methods, and they are very valuable
for helping pinpoint ovulation, and for checking for certain kinds of cycle
irregularities (as you can have a "perfect" 28 day cycle, and still have
significant fertility problems).  They are most helpful if you have had
a chance to chart 3 months or so as a "baseline", but no matter how you
use them, you can't pinpoint conception nor can you use them as a 
"pregnancy test" before a normal home test could be used.  

						Susanne Gilliam
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: glb@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Gina Bull)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:51:22 GMT

LogoWriter is produced by a company called LCSI (Logo Computer
Systems Incorporated).  Their phone number is 800-321-LOGO.
They sell the PC home version for $89.

BUT, if you call Fas-track, a mail order retailer, you can
order the PC home version for $69.95.  Their number is
800-927-3936.

A home version for the Macintosh is not yet available.  The
school version sells for $229.  A home version is supposed to
be available beginning next spring.

There is a newsgroup devoted to discussions about Logo that
you may subscribe to -- comp.lang.logo.
From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita Wiltberger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: hugs
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: quark2.2SEP199211012361
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
Distribution: world
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: quark2.aero.org
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Around the neck of a teddy bear that one of my daughter's had received 
was a little booklet.  It's called "Hugability - It's a Gund Feeling".
It's similar to a dictionary and I thought I would share some of the 
definitions.

A-frame hug:  Classic.  Somewhat formal.  Beneficial to a wide range of 
huggers - from brides to board members, from graduating seniors to 
golden-age seniors.

Ankle hug:  Firm encirclement of another's ankle, usually by a hugger of 
small stature.  Requires an immediate response, such as being picked up 
and given a bear hug.  Differs from an ordinary tackle because of the 
hugger's feelings of love and need - and the huggee's feeling of warmth 
at being needed.

Bear hug:  Powerful.  Secure. Use forbearance in making this hug firm 
rather that breathless.

Cheek hug:  Tener.  Tasteful.  Lightly given, it often has a spiritual 
quality.

Group hug:  Popular for good friends or associates.  Combines well with 
team sports or singing in parts.

Guess who? hug:  A frolicsome hug for longtime friends.  Makes a gentle 
game out of an ordinary "hello" or "good day" greeting.

Heart-centered hug:  Undistracted and unhurried.  Perhaps the highest 
form of hugging.  Acknowledges that place at the center of each of us 
where pure, unconditional love may be found.

Sandwich hug:  A three-way hug.  Especially secure for the one in the 
middle.

Side to side hug:  Also known as a lateral squeeze.  A merry, playful 
aside.  Use it while strolling together or waiting in line.



The above were accompanied by the cutest drawings of bears.  Most of 
these I had visions of my daughters.  Just something cheery to think 
about.


Rita Wiltberger
xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: Re: Travelling at 30 weeks?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:37:19 GMT

In article <24383@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> How late into your pregnancy is it safe to fly?
> 
> I had planned to fly from Baltimore, Md to Phoenix, Az for
> Christmas, to visit my family.  My husband is very concerned
> because I will be entering my third trimester (30 weeks).  He
> feels because it is not an urgent situation, that we should
> not take the risk.  I, however, am not sure of what risks there
> are.  If anyone has any information or experience with this
> type of situation, I would appreciate any and all replies.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
I went on a business trip from Ft. Lauderdale to Phoenix when I was 28 wks
and I had no trouble at all. Since it was a business meeting, I found
sitting through hours of (boring) presentations much harder than the
plane flight ! :-)  

I'd recommend, however, checking with your OB since everyone is different
and you may have a risk factor that would influence your decision. If you
decide to go I would recommend that during the flight you:
 -- drink plenty of fluids (water, juice) to avoid dehydration
 -- get up and walk around every hour or two (if you drink lots of
fluids you'll have to get up anyway!) Sitting on the aisle will make
getting up a lot easier.
 -- take healthy snacks since you never know when a meal will be served
(and you know what airline food is like!)

I understand that most airlines request a Dr.'s note after about 32 wks.
When I flew, I thought I was pretty big but no one batted an eye.

Good luck. 

Mary Beth Northrup
(mommy to Sean, 14 mo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Carla Moussavi)
Subject: TEST-IGNORE
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 23:13:28 GMT


Just a test.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:04:09 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

On 28-Aug-92 in Child's Education            
user Catharine Robshaw@cs.tor writes:
> 
>I would be interested to hear how others have handled saving for their
>children's secondary education (hopefully they will all be going!)      
>

I recommend US Savings Bonds.  They are a safe long term investment (as
safe as US currency) and if you make them out in the children's names and
keep them in a safe, the children get a big kick out of seeing their very
own money.  It also gives relatives a way to give gifts if they feel (like
my Dad does) that your children have too many toys.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:57:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

>Although I haven't any statistics, I'd guess that if one were concerned
>about salmonella (which diane mentioned), avoiding chicken would be
>indicated.  

A little education on salmonella (and something everyone should know and do
because I've had the disease and you DO NOT WANT IT).  Salmonella is found
in raw chicken.  Cooking the chicken removes the salmonella.  However, it
passes easily from hands, knives, and cutting boards into other foods.  So,
if you put your raw chicken on the cutting board and then do not use soap
to wash the board before making your salad, the salmonella will get on the
salad.  And because it is not cooked, you can catch the disease.

So, whenever you touch raw chicken, make sure that your hands and any kitchen
utensils and surfaces that also touched the raw chicken are immediately 
washed down with soap and water.  Having had salmonella I'm positively
neurotic about raw chicken.  But I've never gotten sick since.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.200552.15893@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.190328.26810@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>>When I was in high school, deep in the early 70's, an English
>>teacher told us that song was drug-related.  Figure?
>
>	No!  No, no, no!  Peter Yarrow and Paul Stookie have been
>	trying to quell this rumor since it started.  It was
>	written to be a coming of age song, about the way that
>	adulthood takes us away from the magic we experience as
>	children.  It was _not_ intentionally about drugs or
>	drug use.  And being at least partially written by
>	Paul -- who is an avid christian (try his BBS if you don't
>	believe me) -- I sincerely doubt that any drug related
>	lyrics were intended.
>

The song was apparently banned for a time because it believed by 
"those who decide these things" to be about drugs. I myself
can see nothing drug related in the lyrics but I know
verry little about the drug culture of the 60's.

Mike N.

Dylans' song "Lay Lady Lay" (Lay across my big brass bed)
was stated by Dylan to be about his dog.
From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:52 PDT
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Nf-ID: #R:cathe.714330177@xanadu:-1997208847:cdp:1427100034:000:2016
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Aug 27 21:52:00 1992


I seem to recall (from way back when I was majoring
in psychology at Stanford) that Eleanor Maccoby, in
the psychology department there, had done some work
on gender roles.  You might want to look up her work.

In response to miscellaneous other statements here:
I can't very well argue with the book Mindy recommends,
not having read it, but I would be cautious about
reading too much "nature" into her anecdote.  In our
Quaker First Day School (and remember, we Quakers
are a pacifist lot, not prone to encouraging our
children in war games), I saw one little girl pick
up a *broom* and use it as a toy gun.  I myself
occasionally had my Barbie dolls (actually Francies,
one of Barbie's companions) overthrow the government,
and we all used to turn our distinctly unmilitary
looking playroom into a spaceship at battle.

On male animals being more aggressive - sometimes
true, but sometimes it's more differently aggressive.
If you want to see aggressive, watch a mother rabbit
defending her babies.  Male rabbits have nothing on
that mother for aggression.

It strikes me that people more often seem to remember
themselves as unconventional girls, and more often
see their daughters as "sugar and spice."  Is this
true, or is this just my misperception?  And if it
is true, does it have to do with the age at which
we remember ourselves (maybe children act out these
roles most strongly when they are first learning them
and therefore younger than we remember clearly), or
is it some difference in bias depending on whether
you are remembering your childhood or watching you
child as a parent?

What I remember from my family as a child was that
no stereotype held for every single boy and girl
in the family, some held on average though not for
everyone (the girls in my family played more with
dolls, though one sister hardly touched them), and
some didn't hold at all (there doesn't seem to be
any difference between the sexes in my family as
far as interest in math and science is concerned).

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:32:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <BtpGsG.4Lr@apollo.hp.com>, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>                                 
> Betsy's Golden Rules of Sane Air Travel with Toddlers:
> <1-3 omitted>
> 4.  Make sure there's a complete change of clothes in the
>     diaper bag.  (I know, you knew this anyway.)  

And if you have the room, some spares for mom and dad can be useful too...

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [27 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nighttime Potty Training
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 16:14:03 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

With your child still in a diaper at night at 3.6y you are
certainly not alone. Keje will be 4 in three weeks and still has
a diaper at night. We first started skipping the night diaper
last June, at his own request. I did it with the method Ann Helmers
suggested to me: having a plastic sheet with normal sheet over and
under it, so that in case of an accident you just rip off the wet
sheet and in you go again. At first he had an accident once a week,
which I consider reasonable. But later that month he had a relapse;
I think it was related to his last time at the preschool.
After one night when he had two accidents - what the "Helmers" method
(sorry Ann ;-) overlooks is that possibly covers, pillow and what else
also gets wet - we started the night diaper again.
We continued to do it at our holiday where it didn't want the pillows
or bed covers soaked with urine. After that we didn't put the diaper
on when he didn't want it. The fun thing is, that he is almost always
dry in the morning when he has his nighttime diaper, and almost always
wet we he has not. This one has me puzzled. I will try nighttime diapers
in the near future, and then go without them again. We had the same
ups and downs with daytime toilet training and he gradually outgrew
them too.
Opinions differ on waking them during the night. Some say it creates
a dependency that will last much longer than if you don't do it.
I would say that if you and your child are comfortable with it,
go ahead. The most obvious time is when you go to bed, so if you
are an evening person there shouldn't be a problem. I sure wouldn't
set an alarm for it.
Good luck! (we need it)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:53:47 GMT

choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
: Hi.  Lea is 7 months old.  My sister suggested that I get her a walker - her 
: baby loved it.  My husband thinks they are useless and dangerous.  Got
: any opinions or experiences to share?  If you've had one ..what brand
: was it?
: 
: diana

Diana, aren't you glad you asked?

Catharine (pro-walker) Robshaw
ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:16:25 GMT

From article <1992Aug26.125534.29733@crd.ge.com>, by millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller):
> 	Not to be picky but I understand that you can't take the child care
> deduction on the $5000 that you put into the pretax account, but you can
> take it on anything over that amount that you have to spend.
> 	So, if for example your day care costs run around $7000, which is my
> case, you can put $5000 into the child care flexible spending account and
> take the child care deduction on the remaining $2000.  The child care
> deduction doesn't work out to be much with our income level but every
> little bit helps!

I wish this were true, but it's not.  You can put up to $5000 in the pre-tax
account, but whatever is used from this account is deducted from the allowable
expenses.  You figure your allowable expenses, up to $2400 or $4800 (one or
more than one child), subtract whatever you've paid from the pre-tax, and the
difference is what you base your credit on.

You're probably better off with the pre-tax if the entire amount is at 28%,
or if you only have one child.  If some is at 15%, some credit might be
better, though you're only talking a few dollars.

(I originally thought as you did, but in filling out the form and rereading
the instructions a few times, I discovered the the way it really works.)
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Eczema patches
Keywords: eczema
Date: 3 Sep 1992 01:14:24 GMT
Organization: Rockwell International


My daughter also has exema.  Her doctor allows 5 minute baths with
Dove afterward we rub her down with Moisturel Lotion (not a perscription)
and he said that keeping her in thin cotton clothes would help.  The
antihisimins do the most good as it is an itch that rashes not a rash
that itches.  Keep the fingernails short and clean and look for foods that
he might be alergic to.  Our daughter showed an egg alergy on a Rast 
test (an alergy test done on the blood not the skin an in conventional
tests) for which you only need to be stuck once.  I always wondered
why eggs and toast caused her to break out around the mouth.  Buy me books
and send me to school and I still eat the covers.  The condition may
improve with age.  Alergies often change as you grow up.

Best of Luck,

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger)
Subject: Re: prenatal testing - ultra sounds
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:50:49 GMT


I had an ultrasound ("level 2") at 18 weeks from last menstrual period
(lmp) and didn't have to do anything special to prepare---no full
bladder, just hop up on the table and see videos of our son!
From: gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Mike Gauland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Diaper Cover Recommendations
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:06:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, OR

Any recommendations for diaper covers which don't leak, and seem comfortable
(i.e., no sharp edges)? Every one we've tried either leaves a rash on Aidan's
tummy, or has too little elastic on the legs.

Thanks,
Mike-with-the-poopy-shoes

-- 
Michael A. Gauland	gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM  
AA7JF			(503) 627-5067
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From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: thank you for the easy birth stories.
Date: 3 Sep 1992 09:27:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


With my first, I planned on an epidural, and God was kind.  I got it,
it took, all was wonderful.  With #2 I had begun perparing myself right
after that birth for the fact that I might not be so lucky this time,
I'd probably get to the hospital too late, or I progress too fast, or
it wouldn't take. (With #1, I had early labor for >30 hours ( = bad
tummy ache), and spent one whole day at the hospital, just to come home
at 3cm. and return the next day).

Well, I read these stories, and decided that I probably would have been
more comfortable at home.  Once they broke my water, it was only a few
hours until he was born, that *might* have been bearable, moreso now
that I am experienced.  I have been going into this one trying to
decide if I wanted to chance going in later and not getting my
epidural, or going in too early and being bored.  I have decided that I
should *try* to labor at home as much as I can, and concentrate on the
baby, and worry about midication WHEN I feel I need it, not now (or the
time I have wasted worrying about it over the past 2 1/2 years).  I
finally feel refreshed.

Thank you. 
-Shirl
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