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From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Ankle-biting puppy question
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:20:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.t#sj3am.sss
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr9.033325.19511@news.Hawaii.Edu> 
	gmiyamo@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Gail Miyamoto) writes:

>
>I have a new puppy in my home - a cute and affectionate 1/2 collie
>1/2 golden.  We've bought him a couple of chewing toys, but he
>seems to prefer chewing people instead - ears, hair, toes, ankles,
>hands, wrists - anywhere as long as it's attached to a person.
>
>My question is:  Is this normal behavior or a sign that he will be
>an aggressive biter when he grows up?   Also, should I scold and try
>to stop him?  He's only six weeks old, and I've heard that you
>shouldn't try to train a pup until five months of age.

Perfectly normal.  I recommend you actually put your hand in your 
puppy's mouth and yelp loudly when he bites a little too hard.  His
reaction will probably be to stop, at least for a moment.  He'll
quickly learn that humans are more sensitive than his littermates were,
and that he can bite as hard as he likes on his chew toys.  Mouthing
is important in early socialization.

As for not training a puppy until five months - bosh!  Everything you do
is training.  You can't use harsh methods, or demand *compliance*, of
a young pup, but can certainly teach him -- his name, to come when called,
to poop out of doors, etc.

I begin training dogs to track at 12 weeks.  I make sure that they only
have positive experiences associated with me calling them to come to me.
I make sure they aren't anxious that their food is going to be taken 
away.  Everything you do is training.

-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
From: riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New Vicious Dog Story (LONG)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.152917.7441@newshost.lanl.gov>, davids@c3.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes...
  >This is reprinted without permission from the Santa Fe New Mexican.
  >All typos are mine.
  > 
  >CHILD LOSES EYE IN ATTACK BY DOG  TIED IN HER YARD
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is consistent with at least one observation made previously
here on the net -- that most dogs that bite had been tied up or
chained in the yard.

Also, I deleted the relevant section, but did any of you notice
the line in the story about they fellow allowing his female
chow in heat to run free (though I got the impression the dog
was muzzled -- the bit about blood on the muzzle)?

Seems to me that this is just another incident that justifies
HUMAN-SPECIFIC legislation.  Maybe something like:

	Idiots who have no dog-sense whatsoever are prohibited from
	having (and thusly ruining) any dogs.

What say you all?

Carol
riacmt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: ? Dutch Shepherd ?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:21:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr14.151109.15168@ll.mit.edu> 
	 wjc@ll.mit.edu (Bill Chiarchiaro) writes:
>
>  I asked the handler what kind of dog it was, and "Dutch Shepherd"
>was his reply.  I wasn't able to talk with him more nor to take a
>really good look at the dog.  It was a little more compact than a GSD
>or a Golden Retreiver.  It had a sturdy build, but it wasn't overtly
>muscular.  The coat was of short-to-medium length, and had a
>salt-and-pepper coloration.

It's not a breed, really -- in that the Dutch don't care about pedigree
or conformation.  They say, "when a dog bites, his looks are unimportant".

At the NKPD trials, in the Netherlands, I saw a lot of Malinois/GSD mixes,
a few with a little Bouvier thrown in, etc.

Probably a Malinois/GSD/Tervuren mix.  Nasty dogs. Woof.  It's fun to
watch them overtake a fleeing bad-guy and take him out of his bicycle seat.
Very high energy, lotta drive, and *not* a pet.

Michael Sierchio
-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Dog Foods
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:13:20 GMT

In article <j=lj34j.sss@netcom.com> sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>In article <15065@drutx.ATT.COM> 
>	mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214) writes:
>>
>>High protein dog foods are beneficial for dogs which have a higher activity
>>level (weight-pulling, dog sled racing, hunting, etc), while pets who are
>>not as active do not need that much protein.
>
>More is not better where protein is concerned.  Excess protein intake
>is one of the reasons that so many dogs over the age of 6 or so have
>kidney problems.
>
>-- 
>Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
>sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116
>
>The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily


Not a flame, just a comment.  I agree completely that more is NOT better.

However, for dogs that ARE involved in very high levels of activity, higher


protien foods are a must.  In my own case, sled dog racing, my dogs eat a higher

protien food during mushing season, and a lower protien food during the summer
and non-training months.  If it were not for the higher protien food

during the mushing season, my dogs would not be able to compete....

Most people, however, will not need the higher "octane" foods, and as you
said, they can cause kidney problems later in life....


srlee@beta.lanl.gov


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kudzu@tfs.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Can wolves and dogs produce viable offspring?
Keywords: wolf wolves dachshund
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:04:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.025512.12426@midway.uchicago.edu> 
	ab2r@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Does anybody know whether it's true that wolves and dogs can mate and
>produce offspring which can in turn mate with other dogs and produce
>offspring (which can in turn ...)?  It seems like I've heard of dogs
>which were claimed to have wolf blood in them, but I don't know
>anything about this kind of thing.

Yes, of course.  
-- 
Michael Sierchio                               TRW Financial Systems
kudzu@tfs.com                                     1947 Center Street
                                             Berkeley, CA 94704-1105
(MKS2)                                                  510.704.3380
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Calling all puppy experts!  Trouble in Golden City!  (long)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:14:53 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <17786@awdprime.UUCP
     marc@malone.austin.ibm.com (Marc Stephenson) writes:
 
...text reformatted due to excessive line length.....
> ...text deleted....
>He even growls in his sleep sometimes.
 
Don't worry about this.
 
 
> We are confused and unhappy.  We're calling some trainers to see
> if they can come out and help us; hopefully it will help.  If it
> doesn't, then I don't know what to do.
>
> Help!  --
> Marc Stephenson     IBM PSPA (Personal System Programming - Austin,TX)
 
 
   What you really need is to talk to someone (or lots of someones)
in person that know alot about dogs.  Since you live in Austin,
I would recommend that you do 2 things:
 
1) contact John Wall (258-4330) in Austin.  He raises and trains
   Labs and lives in Austin.
 
2) Join the Austin Retriever Club (John is a member).  Leach all the
   information from them you can; that's why they are there.
 
      ----------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: scottz@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Scott Zeller)
Subject: Keeshonden
Summary: Need info on
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:47:16 GMT

To all those who have shared some time with a Keeshond:

I have a brother who, along with his family, are interested in getting a 
Keeshond.  My wife and I, having a Bichon, advised them on all the basics
(i.e. not buying from a pet store/puppy mill, make sure they have the time and
commitment, get the canine spayed/neutered, etc.).  We were at a loss, however,
on breed specifics.  So I am turning to the net for some help on the following:

(1) The address of the Keeshond Club of America (or of one of the midwestern
    states: Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan).  I suggested that
    my brother contact the AKC, but I thought that this might get them a
    Keeshond contact more quickly).

(2) The addresses/phone numbers of Keeshond breeders in the above mentioned
    states.

(3) The dates of large shows likely to have this breed.

(4) Comments (good and bad) on the Keeshond, the breeders, physical/temperment
    problems, shedding, housebreaking, etc.  My brother and his family were 
    thinking of hiking with and possibly showing the dog in obedience as well.

They would like to find a puppy with in the next few weeks, so any information
that you are able to provide within the next week or so would be most 
appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Rottweiler puppy
Keywords: puppy Rottweilerr
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:05:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45194
Organization: Purdue University

In article <scb0jINNa05@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>Well, it is now unofficial!  I talked to Patricia Hickman-Clark of
>Northwind fame yesterday, and she agreed to sell me a puppy.  She
>
........Good stuff deleted for space.

>Interestingly enough, she selected me because I was not a serious
>conformation person.  She wants homes for her dogs where they will be
>loved and cared for first and foremost.  If I never show the puppy
>that is fine with her, and if the dog ends up being a V-1 rated,
>SchIII, UD champion, that is fine with her too, as long as the dog is
>well cared for and happy.
>

....ooooWWW  You sound like you found a SERIOUS RESPONSIBLE breeder.
Keep close tabs with her!  :)

>Several things were very interesting as I was talking to Pat.  First,
>it was very hard for her to stop talking about her dogs.  We talked
>almost 45 minutes in our first conversation!  Second, she would not
>ship me a puppy.  She insisted that she meet me before she I could
>have one of her puppies.  She would accept a deposit from me, but she
>would not guarantee me a sale until she met me.  Next, I asked if she
>would refund my deposit if for some reason I did not like the
>puppies, and she agreed to do that too.  She seemed very concerned
>that her puppy got a good home, and she also seemed very concerned
>that we were satisfied with her puppy.  
>
>The pups were whelped 3/12/92, and the current plans are for me to go
>down to get the puppy the first weekend in May.  
>--
>Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu

OOOOWWWWW!!!  Even more encouraging.  Sounds to me like she is a VERY
consciencious breeder.  Every careful breeder takes pride in all their
dogs both pets and show dogs.   A lot of breeders won't ship a puppy,
(I won't, it's just to hard on them).   Also, many breeders want to
meet the puppy owners face-to-face just to "feel the vibes" and see iof
the new owner is going to be happy with the puppy, and the puppy is going to
get a lot of love and attention.  Usually these breeders will
"talk-your-ear-off" on the phone (and when you come to visit).  Enjoy
the talk, and listen carefully and you will learn even more about
the puppy you are getting, and it's ancestors.

GOOD LUCK!   :)    HAVE FUN WITH YOU NEW PUPPY! 

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii NIkki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Housebreaking Idea bad?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:21:14 GMT

In article <122769@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> spcooper@llnl.gov writes:
>--
>In article <1992Apr16.160242.11796@newshost.lanl.gov>, srlee@beta.lanl.gov
>(Stephen R Lee) writes:>The suggestion for housetraining is as follows:
>>
>>    "     1. If he has had an 'accident' inside the house, clean it 
>>             up thoroughly.
>>          2. Then take him, never call hime, to the area.
>>          3. Generously spray a cotton ball with Bitter Apple or
>>             rubbing alcohol, and, while holding hime by the neck
>>             scruff, place it directly in his mouth.  Praise him
>>             when he spits it out.  Repeat if he does not strongly 
>>             object to the taste.  Immediately give him a soda
>>             cracker to help clear away the unpleasant taste.
>>          4. Spray the floow with the product and gently place his
>>             nose down in order for him to get the sent."
>>
>>
>
>We just saw this technique used in a video called something like "Puppy's First
>Year".  However,
>I think it was only to be used if the dog was repeatedly using the same spot
>inside the house.
>So far, we've managed to watch our new Briard puppy close enough to catch her in
>the act,
>startle her, and take her outside to finish.  When we caught her after, well,
>that was our fault
>and it was too late to do anything but clean up.  I think she's now getting the
>hang of it, but
>we're having trouble telling if she wants to go out to go or to investigate or
>try to eat something
>she shouldn't.
>
>- Steve
>
>--------------------------------------
>Stephen P. Cooper spcooper@llnl.gov
>who works at but does not represent
>Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

Yes.  Let me be perfectly clear.  I am NOT a proponent of this method.  I have
not used it, ever.  My question was that since this seems to be fairly common
advice, and it seemed to be bad advice (to me anyway), I just wondered if
anyone had used it, and if anyone agreed that it is bad advice, and why.

srlee@beta.lanl.gov
From: bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com (Buffalo Bill Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Golden Retrievers and Lymphosarcoma
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:13:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Nearly two years ago, our male golden retriever (age 2 at the time) developed lymphosarcoma (cancer of
the lymph glands).  After being told he had 4-6 weeks to live without
chemotherapy, or a year at most with multiple expensive cycles of treatment, he
remains alive and well after nearly two years with only 1 cycle of chemo, and one
regression which shortly thereafter went into remission.

Has anyone heard of this phenomenom before?  We have him on prednisone, which one
human oncologist says is a great anti cancer drug (but he actually takes it to
stop itching).  We bought a second dog shortly after his diagnosis, and this may
have something to do with his remarkable recovery.  

How frequent is this type of cancer?  Are Goldens particularly likely to get it?  

Bill Glazier
bglazier@sgi.com
From: mledna@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Matt Ledna)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:57:34 GMT
Subject: Re: digging pooch
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

| HELP! What do I do to stop a digging pooch?!

  Zack used to love to dig.  I tried a number of different things to discourage
  him, but no luck....until he dug up and shredded a brand new, rather
  expensive, plant that we had just put in the back yard.  I went ballistic.
  I sat on top of him, shoved his head in the hole, yelled at him, made nasty
  comments about his mother, and shoved a big handful of dirt in his mouth
  and nose.  I think he got the idea that I was upset.  He hasn't so much as
  scratched the ground since that episode (four months ago).

  So what's the lesson?  Who knows.  I just thought I'd pass on something that
  worked.

Matt Ledna
ledna@hppgpsc.corp.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: neeb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:58:55 GMT

In article <28610@brahms.udel.edu>, thuyan@brahms.udel.edu (Thuy-An Hartman) writes:
> A friend of mine and I are in the midst of an argument and I would like
> help from all you on the net.
> 
> A little background:  
> 
> I have a 3year old husky named Sheba.  She is VERY friendly and loves
> everyone.  She has a great disposition and is great with children (my 7
> year old niece can ride her and pull on her ears and she does not blink
> an eye)>  She is a little mischevious and when daddy plays rough with
> her, she will nip at him in play.
> 
> My friend has a 3year old Rottie/Spaniel mix.  He is very terratorial.
> Hates children and barks at anything that moves. (Sheba does not bark)
> He practically leaps through the window to get at the mailman (see
> bloody curtains).
> 
> So, I claim that if I was ever threatened, I mean truly threatened where
> I was scared, Sheba would be as much protection as the Rottie mix.  I
> contest that a dog does not have to be vicious all the time to be
> protection.  She claims Sheba is too docile and friendly to be of any
> protection. 
> 
> Anyone have any feelings on this?  Do I need to get a vicious dog to get
> protection or can I feel safe with the little cotton ball?  Is the only
> threat she presents to people a threat of being licked to death??
> 
> thanx,
> Thuy-An
I have a three year old German Shepherd/Chow-Chow mutt who is the same way. She
is quite frielndly to people if she see's that I am, yet iff someone shows
aggression to me or I to them, she can be very protective. I am reminded of the
time one of my sisters ex-boyfriends showed up at our house and started yelling
at my sis. Mugsy, who previously liked this kid, was quite prepared to
exterminate him. She is also funny if my friends and I are wrestling, as long
as it is in fun, she will join in and nip at both of us.

I don't think a dog has to be vicious at all to be protective, I'd put good old
Mugs up against any vicious dog...

The Meister
From: riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Heeling advice requested
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just to add one suggestion to those offered by Marla's excellent
post on heeling:

Something that helped us get our German Shepherd to heel better
was to do an "about-face" turn whenever he started getting away.
That way, he had to stay closer to us to watch where we were
going.  Invariably, we'd do the turn, walk about 10 feet, do
another turn, 10 feet, another turn, 10 feet, then we'd just
try to walk straight for awhile.  By that time, he'd be hanging
much closer to us.  We also just used a quick "jerk & release"
with the training collar, but never said no, just repeated the
dog's name and "heel,boy" in a peppy voice.

Carol
riacmt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Separation anxiety
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:07:04 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I'm posting this for Bill Chapp because he's got posting problems.

Followups should be posted or emailed to:

-Bill Chapp
chapp@hprpcd.rose.hp.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried posting this a few times  in the last month, but I don't think it
made it off of my site.  I appologize if this is a duplicate for anyone.

There have been a few postings recently referring to separation anxiety in
dogs.  People have said that they are trying things to help their dogs overcome
their fear of being alone, but no one has said WHAT they're trying.  So I'll
ask the question:  what can you do to teach a dog to be comfortable when it's
home alone?

A little background:  I have a 10 month old male Miniature Schnauzer puppy.
He was quite easy to housebreak and has been very good with simple training.
We've gone through basic and intermediate puppy training, and he knows Sit,
Down, Come, and Stay quite well.

He has to be left alone during the day, so I put him into a bathroom with
water and several chew toys.  He did fine for several months, then one day
figured out how to open the cabinets, and he destroyed my supply of toilet
paper.  He ate one roll and shredded several others.  He also ate nearly an
entire sponge.  Any paper that's left within his reach (or even past where
I *thought* he could reach!) will be shredded if he's left alone with it.
(He doesn't pay any attention to paper on the floor when anyone is home
with him.)  He cries and howls if he's in the bathroom and he can hear that
people are elsewhere in the house.  This only goes on for 10 or 15 minutes.

It seems to me that he gets either bored or frightened when he's left alone.
Does anyone have any suggestions for how to train him to amuse himself?

Thanks,
-Bill
chapp@hprpcd.rose.hp.com

-- 
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.

VOTE FOR TSONGAS -- HE'S STILL ON THE BALLOT!
From: millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: St. Bernards as Guard Dogs ???
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:08:23 GMT
Organization: Bear Stearns, NY

mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
: 
: Although the German Shepherd Dog has replaced the Saint Bernard in Switzerland
: as the preferred search & rescue dog, the correct Saint does NOT have a guard
: dog temperament, in the same sense as a GSD, Rottweiler, etc used in police
: work. A Saint taught to distrust or attack strangers would be a lethal weapon
: indeed. No reputable breeder would ever promote such behavior in a Saint, and
: no responsible person would want to own such a loose cannon, IMHO.
: ........................................................................

Is being protective of one's "pack" the same as distrustful of strangers?
My Saint is an excellent judge of motives.  She almost never barks or growls
at anyone.  She is just protective.  This trait I hope all breeders would put
into the breed.

Phillip  

--

Phillip Millman					millman@bear.com

The opinions expressed are those of Phillip Millman and not that of 
Bear Stearns & Co. Inc.  I think it is better that way.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: gmiyamo@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Gail Miyamoto)
Subject: Ankle-biting puppy question
Organization: University of Hawaii, College of Engineering
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:33:25 GMT

Hi, everyone.

I have a new puppy in my home - a cute and affectionate 1/2 collie
1/2 golden.  We've bought him a couple of chewing toys, but he
seems to prefer chewing people instead - ears, hair, toes, ankles,
hands, wrists - anywhere as long as it's attached to a person.

My question is:  Is this normal behavior or a sign that he will be
an aggressive biter when he grows up?   Also, should I scold and try
to stop him?  He's only six weeks old, and I've heard that you
shouldn't try to train a pup until five months of age.

Thanks!


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