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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: English Soccer
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:26:38 GMT

louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:

>I can understand that as well. I already made a reply on this stupid 
>posting. The most worse of all is that they don't even have the guts
>to reply on the reactions they have caused on the net. The asses.

>Louis Kossen

   Lesson 1:

   English soccer sucks.

   Lesson 2: 

   We don't

   Lesson 3:

   The Dutch national team is the best in the world 

   Lesson 4:

   Germans are dirty, not Dutchmen. We don't need it...

   Lesson 5:

   We still laugh at Blackburn and all those shit.

   Suggestion: 

   Start rec.sport.soccer.brittish

Sidney & Mischa

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From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The beloved get beaten
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:28:51 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Nov6.152221.5806@bcrka451.bnr.ca> (Richard Moores) writes:

>> no wonder why they have been banned from Europe after Heysel ...
>
>Totally uncalled for. The extremely unfortunate and regrettable events at
>Heysel, while being rightly laid at LFC's door for responsibility, also
>involved numerous hooligan elements from all over England as well as the

I am so fed up of hearing the Chelsea NF argument about this. Is there ANY
proof that other than Liverpool fans were involved in the Heysel tragedy?

Tim.
From: gsmcd09@castle.ed.ac.uk (K Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rules Query
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:42:49 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

Question from a ref!!

Once the goalkeeper has possesion of the ball in his hands. I was under
the impression that the ball must leave the penalty area before it can
be touched by a member of the goalkeepers team. If it is touched by a
member of the defending side before it leaves the area then it is an
indirect free kick. I was asked about this during a match yesterday when
I awarded a free kick. I looked it up in my book but could not find it
anywhere. I am convinced I remember being taught this when I did my refs
course. Can someone put me out of my misery and tell me where to find
this rule, or have I imagined the whole thing!!

Cheers,

Keith

P.S. Please note, I am not asking about goal kick or free kick inside
the box, just when the keeper has possession from open play.
From: janm@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Jan Metzger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: CALLING KEEPERS
Keywords: soccer
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:37:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: syma.1992Nov5.173708.17899
Organization: University of Sussex

In the league I play in there is a ref. who is constantly is awarding indirect
free kicks against me for shouting "keeper's" to loudly.(I'm a GOALKEEPER)
He says it puts the strikers off and is against the rules !  He claims I
should call for the ball but not to loudly, I supposedly call for it to
aggresively.  Well what I am I supposed to do when I'm in the middle of 3
strikers, two defenders and everybody wants that ball? Say "please could I
have that ball".  I do admit that I make my call loudly but I don't scream.

Is there some rule that he can apply against me in such a case ?

In the following case with the same ref. I'm quite sure that there is no such
rule but if somebody can prove me wrong I'll find it every interesting:

The ball is out of play, the other team is going to take a corner, somebody is
just going to fetch the ball.  I start yelling encouragement and instructions
to my defense in German.  The league I play in is in the south of England.  I
got a yellow card and the club the subsiquent fine.  What in the world was
that for, there is no way he could have known that nobody in my team
understood Germany, and in the heat of the moment I was forgetting which
language I was speaking in.  He actually said to me : that's how you might
play on the continent but here in England we play proper soccer and you have
to learn to behave yourselve.  I've been here a year now it does seem to me
that goalkeepers tell their players who's unmarked and the player you're
yelling instructions to is at the half-way line you have to raise your voice a
little bit.

I've never had any problems with any other ref. . I never foul, I've only
received one yellow card the one mentioned above.  Well does he have a point
is volume against the rules?

Jan

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From: ifenton@crc.ac.uk (I. Fenton)
Subject: Golden boot, if a bit early...
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:48:30 GMT

hi net.  sorry if this is a bit early, but could people in their
respective countries post the current status of their leading league
scorers ?  i would like to know who would be leading a sort-of golden
boot comptetition so far.  i think that ally mccoist (sp?) of rangers
has something like 30 goals already this season.  are there any better
than that in other leagues ?

thanks.  i'll try and compile a list if people want.

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From: cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Officiating Changes?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:57:06 GMT
Organization: Cross Access Corp., Santa Clara, CA
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Please see article on creating rec.sport.soccer.referee
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From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: Soccer in USA 94
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:13:15 GMT

In article <BxKuyF.F81@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst) writes:
>For some time now, the WCup organisers in the US have been whining about
>field and goal sizes, offside rules, turf vs grass.  This patently american,
>"well, we're the USA so we'll do it our way" attitude has become so
>intolerable, that FIFA is seriously considering pulling the tournament out
>and moving it elsewhere - where the sport of football comes first,
>hopefully.  Rumour has it (and how's this for p.r.?) that the new ,
>unified Germany will be best able to prepare on short notice.  I'm only
>disappointed because I would go, were the games in the US.  Way to go, yanks.

So, is there any documentation of this in the press?  Has anyone else heard
about this?  Personally, I doubt it.  These rumors floated around once
before, and disappeared as quickly as they came. I haven't heard the WC
organizers in the US whining about these issues, but certainly the owners
of the stadiums that would need to change to conform to those issues would
be unhappy.

The issues you raise as ones the US wants to change will not be changed
by FIFA unless the folks of the governing body want them changed.  No US 
citizens are on that board.

I hope when you come to WC 94 in the US, that you have a good time.

Dan
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: rec.sport.soccer.referee?
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:24:46 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

How do we vote yes for the .referee group ?

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
From: cbas30@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Soccer
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:46:50 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov5.134636.11412@fwi.uva.nl>, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes> 
> You see it again in the European Cup-tournaments: Only Glasgow Rangers
> (allright, it's Scottish) plays further, and we think it's only because
> they've played Leeds Utd. If they'd played against a continental team
> (well, not Austrian, Swiss, Norwegian, or something like that) they'd
> been kicked out, we're sure!
> 
> Conclusion: There are no real top-teams in England! It's a 'unity-
> sausage', as we use to say in Dutch. You sure feel what that means!
> 
> As an end of this posting two things:
> 
> - We'd like our theory proven (e.g. PSV gets into the same poule as
>   Rangers),
> - We'd like to give you all a tip: DREAM ON!!!
> 
> 
> PS: We do like your ambiance!
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Sidney vd Poll     (Ajax-fan, vdpoll@fwi.uva.nl)
> Mischa Bronstring  (PSV-fan, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl)
>                         -
                                                         
  So, Glasgow Rangers only went through to the last 8 teams in Europe because
they played Leeds,I seem to remember that Leeds defeated the Bundesliga
champions in the previous round and that Rangers defeated the top team in
Denmark who just happen to be the European Champions.

Also,Rangers were the first team to defeat PSV at home in any European
competition(1978,3-2),when nobody gave them a chance after a 0-0 draw at
Ibrox(PSV having won the UEFA cup the previous year).

I think that it's you who is dreaming

Andy McNair  University of Strathclyde
From: MT34@lafibm.lafayette.edu (MT34000)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: South African Soccer
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:20:46 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

Now that there is finally South Africans living inside South Africa
on this thing, I might as well make a request.  Is it possible for
you guys to post South African soccer results?  There is a lot of
us who are fans who would like to know how the teams are doing.
I will be very grateful if someone volunteers to do this.

-Tseliso.
From: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Totto Dahlum
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:25:52 GMT
Reply-To: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov8.143328@tully.imf.unit.no>, frankkl@tully.imf.unit.no (Frank Klaebo) writes:
|> (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
|> 
|>  > Who is Totto Dahlum anyway?  I have been reading all these stuff about
|>  > him on the network.  What team did he play for? And what position did he
|>  > play?
|> 
|> Totto Dahlum is a norwegian player. He plays for Rosenborg. They won both
|> the Norwegian league and the norweagian cup this year. Totto is a forward.
|> 
|> There's another player from Rosenborg, Stig Inge Bjornebye that probably 
|> will be sold to Liverpool (rumour: ~500.000 pounds).
|> 
|> Frank
|> frankkl@imf.unit.no
|> 
|> 
|>  

In 1990, when Totto played for Start in Kristiansand, he scored 20 goals (22 games in a full league season in Norway), although not playing for almost 2 months in the middle of the season due to some illness.  This year, his first season in Rosenborg, he scored only 12 goals in the league, mostly because he played the left wing.

Besides, his full name is Tore Andre Dahlum.


Sandis
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: RICHARD GOUGH, BNB?
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:58:03 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov10.170139.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.133753.1157@dct.ac.uk>, mcscs1gw@dct.ac.uk writes:

> With very best regards,
> It's always nice to hear from fans suffering more than Celts,
> 
> Dan
> CBAR40@VAXA.STRATH.AC.UK


Yep, Dan.  It's always good to hear from those poor Airdrie fans out
there   :)

PS It's the 2nd Dec I'll be back, no' the 1st but it'll still be Becks
in the Copthorne.


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Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 16:20:59 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Romania round 13
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

Maybe this has already been posted by someone (i.e., Timo :-), but
as I haven't seen any recent postings, I won't take any risks :-)

Romania
Round 13
Electroputere   1-0 Resita
Dinamo          7-0 Progresul
Sportul         1-2 Bacau
Dacia Unirea    1-0 Ploiesti
Politehnica     0-1 Uni Cluj
Brasov          0-1 Uni Craiova
Gloria          2-1 Rapid
Farul           1-3 Steaua
Inter           0-1 Otelul

Top of table:
1.Steaua     13  38- 7  23
2.Dinamo     13  32- 7  21
3.Gloria     13  17- 9  17
4.Uni Cr     13  21-13  16
5.Rapid      13  19-11  16

Cheers,
Karel

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From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Subject: A correction
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:03:21 GMT


Sorry, a typo: In Italy, only 3 foreign players can play at once.
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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Belgian League results. 8-11-92
Date: 8 Nov 1992 10:42:15 -0600
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League round 12
Games played 6/11, 7/11 and 8/11.

 Charleroi         2 FC Luik           1
 Malbasa(2)          Ikpeba

 Standard Luik     1 Waregem           3
 Demol               Kruzen
		     Blancke
		     De Sloover

 AA Gent           3 Royal Antwerp FC  1
 Vandenbergh         Ukkonen
 Vangronsveld
 Porte

 Lierse SK         0 RSC Anderlecht    2
		     Crasson
		     Versavel

 Boom              2 Cercle Brugge     3
 Smolders            Van Regenmortel(e.d./o.g.)
 N'Danga             Weber(2)

 Club Brugge       0 SK Beveren        0

 Lommel            1 KV Mechelen       3
 Mukanya             Van Gompel
		     Versavel(2)

 RWD Molenbeek     1 Lokeren           1
 Vercauteren         Samson

 Germinal Ekeren   2 Racing Genk       2
 Buia                Goots
 Dheedene            Busuttil


Table
-----                             Goals
Team                PL    PTS   For  Against
Anderlecht          12    21    31   11
Standard Luik       12    19    28   16
Club Brugge         12    16    15    7
Charleroi           12    15    27   20
KV Mechelen         12    14    21   16
Waregem             12    14    31   20
AA Gent             12    14    19   13
Beveren             12    14    14   14
RWDM                12    13    18   13
FC Antwerp          12    11    19   25
Lierse SK           12    11    18   19
KRC Genk            12    10    14   14
Cercle Brugge       12     9    29   33
Boom                12     8    22   30
Lokeren             12     8    11   20
Germinal Ekeren     12     8    20   31
FC Luik             12     8    17   29
Lommel              12     3    10   33


League Scorers (as per  8-11-92).
1. Weber (Cercle Brugge)       14 goals;

2. Malbasa (Charleroi)         11 goals;

3. Bettagno (Standard Luik)     9 goals;
   A.Vidmar (Waregem)           9 goals;

5. Ikpeba (FC Luik)             8 goals;

6. Van Ankeren (RWDM)           7 goals;
   Kruzen (Waregem)             7 goals;
   Goots (KRC Genk)             7 goals;
   Wilmots (Standard Luik)      7 goals;
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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: WC:Squads;Italy,Belgium,N.Ireland,Scotland
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:58:39 GMT

In article <9211101521.AA26051@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>	Italy's team for the Scotland match:
>	Squad:  Luca Marchegiani, Gianluca Pagliuca; Dino Baggio, Franco Baresi,
>	Alessandro Costacurta, Paolo Maldini, Alberto Di Chiara, Marco Lanna, 
>Moreno
>	Mannini; Alessandro Bianchi, Eugenio Corini, Demetrio Albertini, Roberto
>	Donadoni, Stefano Eranio, Gianluigi Lentini; Roberto Baggio Gianluca Vialli,
>	Roberto Mancini, Giuseppe Signori. 
>
>Why does Sacchi leave Zola out of the team?  Does anybody else find
>that as strange as I do?

What happened to Walter Zenga?

>
> 
>Ken Shadlen
>University of California at Berkeley
>shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
>


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From: SALNIMR%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rules Query
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:36:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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  As I recall when I was officiating 3 years ago, this rule was placed in
under the F.A rules.  A year or two later, it was eliminated again.
  I hope that answers your question.

---Samer Al-Nimr at Knox College
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Best Man Utd Manager ?
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:27:58 GMT

In article <BxGw6z.Awo@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>I have to vote for "The Doc", Tommy Docherty.  That was quite some job
>bringing Manchester United back to first class status after their relegation
>from the First Division in 1974.  He did it by developing youth within the
>first team.  Immediately coming to mind are names like Gordon Hill, Steve
>Coppell, Steve Daly, Jimmy Greenhoff, Stuart Pearson.... Lou Macari, while
          ^^^^^^^^^^

Oops.  I see from another posting, this should be Gerry Daly.  Actually, I
knew that already ( confused because I know a few Steve Dalys! ) since Gerry 
would eventually play for my team, Derby County, too!  (And so would Gordon
Hill! -- and Docherty would also manage Derby... but these are _not_ reasons
why I voted for him.  Honest!)



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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: england, italy and rangers
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:28:21 GMT

mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk writes:



>     I'm sick and tired of mostly english people saying the english league is
>the best in the world. Who are they trying to kid? The italian league or
>'serie a' as it is called has:
>                             1- better players
>                             2- better teams
>                             3- bigger crowds
>                             4- better grounds
>                             5- better organisation

>    For Alcoholics Anonymous' most famous success Jimmy Greaves to say that it
>is the best in the world shows just how small-minded him and his moaning pals
>are. Do statements like:
>                       our league is the best in the world
>                       we'll win the european championships in sweden
>                       we have a good chance of winning the world cup
>show this guy to be sane?
>i don't think so.
>As to the 'battle of britain' match i wanted rangers to make it but only
>because i hoped they would get AC in the next round and then we'd see just
>how mediocre they are in europe. Why should non-rangers fans want them to win?
>Most of their players are english and their fans seem to think they're from
>Northern Ireland, so they can't really expect us to support them because they
>are scottish. Hope you get stuffed in the league section lads!!

>                       <<-- axel -->>  (dundee fan)


You're our friend!


Sidney & Mischa

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From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: rec.sport.soccer.referee?
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:06:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov6.170619.19884
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov6.124023.18537@fel.tno.nl> leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen) writes:
>jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>
>>Perhaps it should be alt.bastards.inblack? :-)
>
>John "Just Does Not Say Much" Kramer is very original as this
>particular discussion has been made not very long ago.
>Read your mail and laws of the game carefully and you will
>know why refs want their own group and what other nicknames
>are available.
>

Thanks Ed "High Moral Ground" van Leeuwen. I'd be happy for refs to have
their own group if they don't have any humour (note the above smiley). 
If you've never attended an English League match then you might not
understand but I do not have to apologise to you. Lighten up!
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