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From: wwn8108@tamsun.tamu.edu ( ** Ridgeway **)
Subject: Re: shelly.gif
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:51:53 GMT

Well, hpoefully we can get some really nice photographs scanned her in the not
too distant future.  The reason that this one was posted is because it just
happened to be the one that was scanned at the time.  The scanning quality of
the new ones will be much better.  We do have some close-ups of her that are
quite nice.  This pictures was actually taken about 3 years ago.  The new ones
are quite different.  Better IMHO.  We'll keep you posted.

				-Trey

Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: Re: Erika Eleniak was in "E.T." the movie !?!?!
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:10:54 GMT
Keywords: WOW Krika Eleniak movie first

Sayeth dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK):
$In <u56c081@Unify.Com> tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
$>So, she was in playboy huh,  what month/year?
$Twice.  And the cover on both!  (I don't know; she could have been in it more
$often than that.)  April 1989 and August 1990.  No, I didn't know that off

   Actually, the story in the August 1990 issue that says the April 1989
appearance was her first is wrong.  She was one of the people in the
"35th Anniversary Playmate Search" pictorial a year or so earlier.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: What is with some of these models we see today?
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:19:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5


As reported in the WSJ.
The age of the super model is dead! Mrs. normal finally is waking up to
the fact that she will never be perfect. The agencies therfore get normal
(imperfect) models to sell their wares! simple easy sad!
Hell I'm perfect!
Xref: sparky alt.supermodels:1724 soc.women:19367 alt.feminism:4221 soc.men:19117
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:24:09 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher) writes:

}Basically the question is supposed to be offensive to feminists.  It's 
}implications: 

}1.  Doubt (by the word "if") one of the few statistics that it is safe to
}    "believe" because the information it contains is straightforward
}    and easy to obtain from accurate and diverse sources. 

}2.  Laugh at capitalism not taking advantage of exploitation where they
}    can, after all, look at the rich individuals in those countries where 
}    you can get away with child slave labour.
}    
}3.  Laugh at women.

}This is what printing the quote and the quote itself implies on a very simple
}level.  Keith Duddy has already explained what it implies on a slightly
}more complex level, but that obviously went straight over Alex's head.

Oh bull.  the quote implies nothing of the sort.  Everything you wrote
above is what you inferred from it.  The quote simply notes that *something*
is inconsistent.  What you choose to infer from that says a lot about you
and your mindset and preconceptions. 

}By the way, anyone who has the slightest grasp of what sexism is and doesn't
}understand why an Elle calendar is offensive and harmful and a Chippendales
}calendar isn't probably has no aptitude for complex thought - therefore I
}am resorting to condescending insult rather than reasoned explanation.

I believe it is more accurate to say that you are unable to explain a
difference that exists only in your head and *that* is why you resort
to insult.  But then, I would expect as much from someone who demonstrably
is unable to distinguish between "imply" and "infer".

--James Preston

Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: rfs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (richard.f.j.soyack)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:57:17 GMT

Once more the net is embroiled in the old, "I don't like it!"
battle.

I kinda like people who approach this type of thing with the
attitude, "I don't like it, I'm not gonna do it/buy it/etc."
and I try to avoid the people whose general attitude is, "I
don't like it, I don't want anyone else to do it/buy it/etc."

When I was in my twenties this attitude caused some to label
me a radical, now in my forties this attitude causes some to
label me a conservative.  I guess I've changed a lot.

Have fun,
Rich Soyack
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Summary: Why PC thinking does not level the playing field
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 05:04:57 GMT
Expires: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: ideals
Followup-To: alt.supermodels

In article <1992Nov8.011616.25737@netcom.com> barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:

>	It's not the same thing at all, Steve. All societies have
>standards of physical beauty. They're not all the same standard, but

>	When did having standards of beauty become a bad thing? We
>praise the ancient Greeks for theirs, which look pretty exclusive,
>
>	It's unfortunate if anyone, male or female, feels bad because
>they don't look like a model, but frankly, that's _their_ problem, not
>the culture's.

Precisely. Are we to pass every child in a class, even if that
child has not done his or her work as well as the other kids,
just to spare the child's feelings? We're not doing anyone any
favors by doing so. It's no secret that attractive people are
instinctively trusted by others more frequently than ugly folks,
and most of our myths, legends, and fairytales show good people
as being attractive (except in rare cases) and bad people as
unattractive. This is nobody's fault, it's also a matter of our
biological programming, not just enculturation.

I choose to photograph extremely attractive women, mostly (and
some very handsome men, too) because I admire beauty. If some
people have a problem with my choice of subjects, well, TOUGH.

>	Advertising is the visible manifestation of free people doing
>business in a free market, and if you don't like what you see, the blame
>falls on the people, the consumers. Not men, not women, all consumers.

If you don't like advertising, then IGNORE it. Simple, yes? I
subscribe to Consumer Reports, which has NO advertising. I'll
state for the record that I also subscribe to numerous and varied
magazines that carry a lot of advertising. In some cases, I'd not
be aware that a certain product or service was available, if ads
did not inform me about these. So, to those of you who are so
quick to knock advertising, I say, lighten up and chill out!

Victor 8^)
(who just finished photographing a dancer doing full splits)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:52:00 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Nov9111632@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>
>Hey, if someone is so uncertain of themselves, tough.  I've had my parents tell
>me all sorts of things, some uncomplimentary.  Didn't bother me a bit.
>	
>
Aren't you wonderful. 



Xref: sparky alt.supermodels:1676 soc.women:19258 alt.feminism:4119 soc.men:19025
From: perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:02:09 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

In article <lfqj54INN98m@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>In article <BxC8n0.Au9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Alex Stevens) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.150355.9849@rtf.bt.co.uk> fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher) writes:

[...]

>	As to your statement about sexism existing in the society.  I had
>a major disagreement with someone about this with someone, and she
>wasn't able to explain it in a fair manor, but took a short class
>on Diversity in the Workplace that explained that 'ism' is something
>that the group in power does or can do to the non-dominant power group,

Creationism. Evolutionism. Chartism. Acts of oppression, all of them. ;-)

This "definition" of -ism is a creation of intellectual laziness, or else
I shouldn't have been able to perform the reductio ad absurdium that I
just did. Offhand, I'd say that whoever the -ism-monger is here is trying
to warp the meaning of words, such as racism and sexism, to her own ends,
while retaining the words' old implications. This is intellectual dishonesty.

>so in our culture as a whole, blacks cannot be guilty of racism and
>women can't be guilty of sexism.  In different power settings where
>where blacks or women hold more power relative to men, the blacks or
>women can be guilty of 'isms'.  In all cases the non-dominant power
>group can be guilty of 'ist' (racist, sexist) behaviour.
>
>	A minor technical point, but one I thought I would clarify.

"Groups in power" don't oppress, individuals do. Despots and thugs come in
all shapes, sizes and colors.


-- 
==========================================================================
That which is necessary is never evil. If an evil seems necessary, look
to your context; that's where its root lies.
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.171259.13356@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>
>>>In article  891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>
>>al
>
>They've been selling an unrealistic notion of women for years. 
>
>Something bothers me more than men having these women on the walls, for part
>of me feels that the average man is as big a victim as the women in this whole
>game. (THink about the difficulties that men who go against the grain of 
>thought must endure) It's the women who accept money for *posing* and making
>a ten year (approx) career out of something that is not only unhealthy for
>the general population of women, but for they themselves when their career is
>kaput.

{sarcasm on}
Oh, my, yes.  Almost as bad as those professional atheletes.  Horror, horror.
{sarcasm off}

They are adults!  They can make their own decisions without any hassle from
you or me, I'm sure.


>A thread of discussion I haven't seen yet. Am I out of line?
>

In an alt group?!!!

You're not out of line, and the thread has been around just as many times as
most, so we'll go through it again.
-- 
"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: I am having a hell of a hard time with the gifs.
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:13:30 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: schin@acs.bu.edu


Hello


I can't seem to get the gifs to work right. I save it, then call up my
xterm icon and use loadimage command. Nothing works. 

Does anyone have any ideas?


Regards
Neil
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:32:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.093541.6731@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>In article <KYTAN.92Nov9111632@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.030057.28538@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>
>>>No. I disagree with that. If a person is constantly told that they
>are not smart >>not thin enough..etc etc that person ultimately
>develops (unless >>you can totally block it out, become untrusting, a
>poor listener and generally >>more cold hearted) some sort of
>insecurity.
>
>>Hey, if someone is so uncertain of themselves, tough.  I've had my
>parents tell >me all sorts of things, some uncomplimentary.  Didn't
>bother me a bit.
>
>How fortunate for you.  Unfortunately, there are African American
>children who grow up thinking it's better to be white, Asian American
>children who hate their looks and want to look white.  

Very nice, a clean switch from sexism to racism -and- sexism. And it is
not even clear exactly what you are saying. What are you saying?

>Not everyone has your ability to tell the world to go to hell.

Yes, eveyone does have this ability. But it is usually the first thing
to go when deny responsibility for your life and blame others for the
things that go wrong with it.


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: ada@zip.larc.nasa.gov (Anthony Arviola)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Calendars and Brains
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:53:51
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: zip.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: cf542@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 10 Nov 1992 02:52:11 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 5ae8dcc9610ba7c810fea0a2f2611d09

   Now, as to the questions asked of the models by Mademoiselle
   magazine, here they are:

   1) What are the names of the two airports in Paris?
   2) What is the name of the square in front of the big church
   in the center of Milan?
   3) What is the French word for shoe?
   4) Which architect designed the new glass pyramids in front
   of the Louvre in Paris?
   5) How many calories are in a banana?
   6) Who is the designer behind the COMME des GARCONS label?
   The Perry Ellis label?  The Chanel label?
   7) Math question: If you earn $5,000 in one day and only pay
   your agency 10 percent, how much money will you receive
   before taxes?
   8) What color is ecru? (Claudia Schiffer answered with,
   "Broken white? I'm just guessing, wondering if it's the same
   in English as it is in French, which is derived from a word
   in Latin.")
   9) Who is Anna Wintour?
   10) Which poet said, "Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty"?

   According to the article Elle came in first, the college
   post-graduates last.

   -- 
   Have straitjacket, might travel.

I wonder how the "smart" readers of this newsgroup did with this
test (aimed at a model's intellect).  Ready to return your degrees 
guys and gals?  I would if this were the only gauge of intelegence.
I wonder how well French high school students would do?

I guess my point is that this is not an intellegence test.  The questions
are truly biased towards models.  I'm not saying that models are not
smart, but this test doesn't tell the investigator anything.

Cheers to this group!
Tony
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Paulina GIF
Keywords: Teddy bear picture from Playboy
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:19:44 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

In article <40705@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony 
Minkoff) writes:
> Oh, and there was a Paulina pictorial in the August 1988 issue, but
> I don't know whether it includes the particular picture in question.

The particular picture in question was a one-shot deal, not part of a 
pictorial with multiple shots.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Advisor)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Brains
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:44:26 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Advisor)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bknouff.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Nov13.102525.8843@ac.dal.ca>, egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
> made it more obvious that it takes a real
> stretch of the imagination to believe that Cindy is intelligent.

Not to flame you, but I saw in an interview that Cindy was studying 
Chemical Engineering as an undergrad.  Having taken that curriculum myself,
I would say that she couldn't have been an airhead if she did even moderately
well.  However, she didn't finish so maybe she couldn't hack it or realized
how much more money she could make as a model.  At any rate, she must have
done pretty well in high school to have been accepted into that program.
And from what I've seen on MTV she seems pretty intelligent to me.


Xref: sparky alt.supermodels:1550 soc.women:18983 alt.feminism:3848 soc.men:18795
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: leland.1992Nov7.043218.2232
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <1992Nov6.150355.9849@rtf.bt.co.uk> fletcher@rtf.bt.co.uk (Catherine Fletcher) writes:
(deleted stuff)
>By the way, anyone who has the slightest grasp of what sexism is and doesn't
>understand why an Elle calendar is offensive and harmful and a Chippendales
>calendar isn't probably has no aptitude for complex thought - therefore I
>am resorting to condescending insult rather than reasoned explanation.

I disagree with part of this.  I think that in some ways the
Chippendales calendars do hurt men.  We're beginning to see some
indication that anorexia nervosa is showing up in teenage boys and
young men.  More men are getting plastic surgery.  Men are beginning
to remove hair on their chests and backs because it's considered ugly.

I certainly don't like the hairless, slim yet busty, made-up models
that many women think they should look like, but I have no wish for
our society to tell men that they should look like the Chip men (or
starve, pump up, have surgery, and shave to try to resemble them).

The problem that I see is that it's nearly impossible to be exposed to
popular culture and media and not get very clear signals of what is
attractive and what isn't.  If we could just look at the female and
male models and enjoy their beauty without internalizing the
standards, we'd be a lot healthier.  But most of us don't.  So we
spend much of our time feeling unattractive and inadequate.  Our
culture has done this to women and it's starting to do it to men.  Now
we have to worry that our daughters _and_ sons will spend their time
trying to look like models instead of just learning to live their
lives.  
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: johnv@ariel.yorku.ca (John Vink)
Subject: Re: Paulina GIF
Keywords: Teddy bear picture from Playboy
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:09:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.030854.17276@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen) writes:
>	But, for those of you praying...she doesn't appear topless, nude or
>otherwise in her appearance.  Just some normal pictures of a goddess
>clothed.
>
Those are sometimes the best kind.

JAV


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From: int947r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (RJ Bodinnar)
Subject: help me too
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:52:45 GMT

I am having some trouble getting some pictures here.  
I got a picture of Kim Basinger a week ago and with a bit of trial and
error I managed to view it.  I'm on a mac LC. I have uudecode, gif converter,
JPEG gifconverter and a few others.  Could you please tell me what to do 
from the start (getting it back to my UNIX directory) and what todo when I get 
it to my computer.    i   ::::i     
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,soc.women,alt.feminism,soc.men
From: 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:07:43 GMT

lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes:

>In article <1992Nov7.171259.13356@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>>aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>>

>{sarcasm on}
>Oh, my, yes.  Almost as bad as those professional atheletes.  Horror, horror.
>{sarcasm off}

>They are adults!  They can make their own decisions without any hassle from
>you or me, I'm sure.

I'm an adult. Why can I not choose to live in a world absent of advertising?
I am not able to make that choice without receding into a cave. 

I try so hard, but it is difficult to escape. I fast forward through tv 
commercials (with a costly VCR), I tear labels off food items stored in my
kitchen, I tear labels off my clothing and don't wear ADs, I listen to CBC
(canadian public radio absent of commercials), I try not to look at    
ostentatious billboards, I read ad-conscious or adless magazines.........

but I still get bombarded.

I'm a person, not a consumer.

thoughts a little off topic by,

TR.


Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: 2760carpente@vms.csd.mu.edu (METALLICA)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: JPG viewer?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:34:23 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2760carpente@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov12.162838.20223@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs911030@ariel.yorku.ca (STAVROS TSOKOS) writes:
>Hi,
>
>     I see alot jpg files posted, is there somewhere I can get a JPG viewer (FTP
>site or anywhere else)?  
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve
>
>
Well Steve, try all the major ftp sites.  I downloaded about 6 different
viewers that work with gif,pcx.jpg,bmp etc
	wuarchive.wustl.edu
		graphics
	ftp.rahul.net
		pub/bryanw

Try dcview11.zip or dvpeg2.zip(beta).  They are the best viewers supporting
most of the video cards out there.  Good luck
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