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From: SHIN@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Transition Board or Short Board???
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:32:49 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Question to the Net...
I'm a beginning windsurfer with a 12' beginner's board.  I've
become pretty comfortable with it and am looking for my next
board purchase to learn more advanced skills, such as waterstarts,
high wind proficiency, etc.  Some friends have suggested boards
as short as 9'4", and as long as 10'6" (usually *their* old boards ;-)

Your opinions as to the next step would be appreciated.  I'm sorta
leaning towards a medium length (10'-11'), with a retractable
daggerboard.  Sail rig opinions would also be appreciated.  Some
people say that a short board would be too frustrating, while others
claim that a transition board would be quickly outgrown.  My eventual
goal is to join ranks with the guys out at 3rd Ave, SF Bay but now
I'm at Alameda, with nice on-shore winds, and warm water.

                         Thanks in advance,

                         Harry Shin
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bill@turing.toronto.edu (Bill Monhemius)
Subject: UP Slalom Racing Sail Recommendations?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:28:38 GMT

I'm thinking of buying a UP slalom racing sail in the 5.0 size.  The price
my store is asking is $350 (Can), which VERY cheap.

Does anyone have any recommendations, criticisms, or propaganda (8^)) about
this sail line from UP?

-Bill


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From: rah@cis.ohio-state.edu (michael rah)
Subject: Sails for light wind
Originator: rah@banana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:21:53 GMT



I was wondering if anyone could help me with choosing a sail for light wind.

Would a high aspect sail or a low aspect sail be better?

RAF or CAM?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance,

Mike

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: 1991 Bic Adagio $450
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:22:15 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

1991 Bic Adagio for sale.  Asking $450.  Great 8'10" racer's
board from Bic.  App 105 liters.  Handles chop at high speed much
better than Bic's recreational 8'10" board, the Electric Rock.
Great condition.  You aren't going to get a better deal in 
October from Vela or anyone else, and you can sail this board for 
three more months, starting today.

Thanks,
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: WANTED: used transition board
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:19:39 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

tmclain@sun-valley.Stanford.EDU (Tim McLain) writes:


>Despite the recent postings discouraging the purchase of transition boards, I am looking
>to purchase one.  I am a beginner/intermediate sailor (trained by Edward "tingly fingers"
>Wilson).  I can plane on a long board and do long board jibes and tacks without much
>problem.  I have no experience with a harness or foot straps.  My wife, who would be a
>secondary user, is still very much a beginner.  I am 6'5", 185 lbs.  My wife is 5'7", 
>120 lbs.  Since we are on a limited budget, I would like to kill two birds with one
>stone and buy something we could both use and enjoy (until we save more $$$).

>I am looking for something like a Fanatic Bat, F2 Comet, or Bic Rhumba -- something
>along those lines (~10-10.5 ft, 160-170 liters).  Also, any advice would be appreciated.

my $0.02:

	Buy a harness and lines and learn to use it now. Then think about
another board. This applies to both of you and makes high wind sailing and
sailing for long periods of time possible and enjoyable.

	Learn to use the footstraps before you get another board. see above for
reasons. Control of the board is far better when using footstraps.

	I'm not sure how you categorize beginner/intermediate, but I will infer
that you can comfortably sail in winds of 15-25 mph or so. If not, stick with
the long board for a while longer, lean to use harness and footstraps, and then
rethink what you want/need in the way of new boards.

	I started with a long board (12'2") and went directly to a 9'4" board
and have no regrets. With the right set of sails so that you can get planing
properly, I can see no reason to sail a transition board. If its windy enough
to get fully planing on the long board with (say) a 7.2 m sail, then a short
board with a 6.4 m sail will probably also be powered up. Your milage may vary
with your weight and the water (chop) conditions. I'm 5'8" and 165 lbs.

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Date: 13 Aug 1992 16:20:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: speedsail
Summary: Does windsurfing contribute to CTS/Tendinitis?


edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:

> I'm beginning to notice symptoms of what I think is carpal tunnel syndrome.
>
> Also, does anyone know more about CTS?  All I know is that it's nerve
> damage in your wrists and that if you let it go, it can get really
> really bad.  How scared should I be?

I've always wondered if windsurfing contributed to my wrist problems.
I first noticed wrist pain about four months after I took up
windsurfing on a weekly basis (spring of 1991).

I've spent several hours per day typing at a computer for at least the
past 15 years.  I'm a touch typist and can type at about 60 to 80 words
per minute.  All of the computer users I know with wrist problems type
quickly.

In my case, I have tendinitis (no, it's not spelled "tendonitis"), not
carpal tunnel syndrome.  There is no numbness, but there is pain when
bending the wrist or when lifting heavy objects (anything over about 2
pounds at one point).  After a year of working to correct all of the
problems I have been able to identify, I feel that I'm about 90%
recovered from the point where I first saw a doctor about it last year.
I wonder if I'll ever be 100% better.

The best thing I know of to prevent and/or correct the problem
(assuming you can't give up typing completely) is to get your wrists
and hands at the correct angle.  Putting the keyboard in your lap is
good.  Using a wrist rest to keep you from bending your hands at an
upward angle is good.  Setting the keyboard as flat as possible also
helps.  With a flat keyboard, your arms should be approximately
parallel to the floor and your wrist should not bend up at all.
You should also be sure that your elbows are held as close to your
body as possible.

Squeezing a piece of soft foam never did much to help me, but other
wrist exercises have made a difference.  If you do regular wrist
exercises before you start feeling the symptoms, it should help
reduce the chances of having problems.  Avoid unnecessary
repetitive keyboard use, such as computer games.  I think rogue
helped cause some of my problems.

As for what to do while windsurfing, be sure to hold your wrist
as straight as possible while holding the boom.  If you're like me
and still using the uphaul, be careful to not bend your wrist when
climbing back up onto the board after falling in.  Anything that
resembles a pushup will increase any wrist problems you might have.

I would like to hear from other windsurfers who are also heavy computer
users who have had wrist problems.  I've been unable to determine if
windsurfing contributed to my problems or not.

---

Scott R. Nelson                 srnelson@eng.sun.com
Sun Microsystems

F2 Comet (10'6"), O'Brien Competitor (12'), O'Brien World Cup (12')
7 assorted used sails, 4.4 to 6.3
From: rogerc@techbook.com (Roger Christal.)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:54:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug15.055427.14379
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <1992Aug12.183954.3515@leland.Stanford.EDU> edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson) writes:
>I'm beginning to notice symptoms of what I think is carpal tunnel syndrome.
>
>
>Also, does anyone know more about CTS?  All I know is that it's nerve 
>damage in your wrists and that if you let it go, it can get really 
>really bad.  How scared should I be?
>

The nerves used by your hand pass through an area at the base of your
palm that surround them by bone, muscle and tendons.  When the tendons
become inflammed from activity like windsurfing, the nerves become
pinched, causing numbness in the fingers.

You can go to a neurologist and have tests to see if you have a problem.
They send signals to the nerves by placing electrodes on the forearms
and measure the time it takes to reach your hand and fingers.  If the
nerves are pinched, it takes a longer than normal time for the signal to
reach the fingers.

A couple of easy self-tests for CTS:  1.  With your elbows at shoulder
level, put the back of your hands together with the fingers pointing
down to the floor.  Your forearm and hand (each of them) should form a
90 degree angle if you've got it right.  Hold this position for 1
minute.  If you feel pain, you may have CTS.  2.  Is it difficult for
you to touch the tips of your thumb and little finger?  Another possible
sign...

A POSSIBLE (caps on purpose) surgical solution is to cut away the tendon
at the base of the palm.  I had this surgury performed in January 1990
on my left hand.  Prior to the surgury, I was losing grip strength
after only an hour of sailing.  Since the surgury, I haven't lost my
grip strength after 5 hours of sailing!

But don't take my word for it; SEE A DOCTOR.

-- 

>>=-  Roger M. Christal, Willamette Software, Inc., rogerc@techbook.COM  -=<<
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:01:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Kodak Waterproof Camera
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>|> One thing I've considered, but haven't tried yet:  one of those Kodak
>|> disposable cameras.  I forget which model it is, but one of them is
>|> advertised as waterproof to 20'.  That way, if you drop the thing, you're
>|> only out $20, instead of $300+.
>
>More like $600+ (but maybe it floats, no?).
>
>I have tried one of those Kodak waterproof cameras---it could be called
>the Week-end, but I am not certain.  It's really waterproof.  I took it with
>me when exploring a rocky river in the sierra foothills, swam with it, and
>banged it around.  It was nice not to have to worry about it.
>
>The prints were reasonable but they looked fuzzy even in the small
>format (4x6 inches).  Definitely not worth enlarging.  --Luigi
>----------
A Nikonis with flash and all is about $600.  I bought several years ago a
Nikon "Action Flash" 35 mm camera.  It is waterproof to 10 ft and takes
excellent pictures out of the water (I have blown many up).  I shot several
rolls of film in Baja snorkeling with it and was very pleased - the flash
really helps under water.  I got some excellent candid shots sneaking up
under water on beginners and shooting them from close up.  I haven't taken it
out on a big day at Coyote yet as I still worry about imprinting it in my
chest if I fall wrong.  I did take it into the surf in baja and got some
in-the-tube shots of surfers that were also quite good.  The only thing
I miss is a long lens.

I think the camera was about $250 and takes pictures with quality (out of 
the water) equal to the best autofocus, non-SLR cameras (Nikon quality
lenses).

Oh yeah, I also took it rafting on the Deschutes and the river guide used it
to get pictures of me going through a set of rapids sans raft!  He and I
jumped in a few feet apart and I bobbed along waving and smiling in 3 ft
standing waves while he shot half a roll.

Kirk out
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From: fsgreasl@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Francis S. Greasley)
Subject: Re: I go to the Gorge - It shuts down
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 09:45:01 EDT

In article <1992Aug10.172938.10557@mlb.semi.harris.com> pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera) writes:
>Just made a last minute check of the weather forcast for Portland,
>looks like you guys are in for some typical Florida weather, highs in
>the 90's and 100's.  Lots of warnings about being cautious with

Sorry people, this was my fault.  I'm the original wind jinx. 
I was out in the Wash/Or/BC area last week and my wife graciously agreed
to a shortstop over in the gorge.

It took two days, but I managed to get the wind to stop blowing. (and it
lasted all week!!).  I've never seen a place with so many unhappy windsurfers.

Maybe next time I'll go to Aruba, or Corpus Cristi, or even SF.  Of course,
with the right ...incentive... I'll stay home and leave the wind alone.  Please
send donations now.  Stop me before I strike again.

fsgreasl@rodan.syr.edu
bud@sq.com
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Tying on old booms
Keywords: inhaul boom
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:23:00 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <l8fmg9INN75m@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes:
>My request for old windsurfing equipment was successful and I'll
>be taking three complete boards and rigs to the Wente Scout camp
>in Northern California.  Many thanks to those who donated equipment.
>Now I have a question for those of you who have been windsurfing
>for a long time:

Reminds me of when I made my forst ocean sailing attempt with my friends
original stock Windsurfer(TM). He is forever reminding me that I broke his
original teak booms.

Ten years later, he still sails longboards, and is one of the last remaining
Fleet 18 enthusiasts. Anyway, if anyone has any old teak booms to donate, I could
repay him the only way he would appreciate.

Jim Munro
From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: For Sale (SF Bay Area)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:12:03 GMT
Reply-To: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Distribution: ba
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

I have the following for sale(I will negotiate).

Fanatic 295 board 2 years old-		$300 (Great first short board)
ASD 8'6" bump and jump- 1 year old	$400 (great shape used about 10 times).
Art clamp on boom (short and long arms)	$80
Fleetwood clamp on boom			$75
Ampro blue al. mast			$45

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From: gb0wbff@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
Subject: Re: Moving Equipment
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-16089]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu
Organization: Freeman School of Business, Tulane University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:38:50 GMT

In article <KNABE.92Aug14133534@acrab44.rec> knabe@ECRC.DE (Fritz Knabe)
writes:
>I've taken my stuff on planes. Your best bet is to get a board travel bag.
>These have thick foam walls and aren't cheap -- expect to pay in the $300
>range. The best travel bags I've ever seen were from South Sailboards in Key
>West (they made them there), and were utterly bulletproof. I've got one.
>Unfortunately, South Sailboards is out of business.  I've also got a bag
>from Visual Speed (which is still in business :-). The Visual Speed one
>isn't as sturdy, but it seems okay. In both cases the bags I have are large
>enough that I can also put sails, booms, masts, etc. inside them as well.
>
>Don't try the cardboard and tape route -- I did once and ended up getting a
>hole in my previously pristine board :-(
>
>The airlines charge in the neighborhood of $25 to $50 for a board bag,
one-way.
>
One trick I'd recommend is the double board bag, airlines then charge the same
for
two boards as one.  I have a single bag and wish I'd bought a double.

US Air charged me $150 round trip for one board bag (they don't care whats 
in it) and a quiver bag (New Orleans to NC).  It would have been only $80 round
trip for just the board bag.  Tip put extra padding around the zipper to
protect the rails.  Also get a quiver bag that will expand to hold two piece
masts, my
aerotech is great.  It will also hold booms when broken down.

I heard that Juan (is that his name?) closed South Sailboards due to a messy
divorce and would reopen in a year or so.  Does anyone know anything about
it?  I've been putting off buying a new bag because of this.

Hope this helps, Rick
 
From: keith@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Keith Millar)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:44:48 GMT
Subject: Re: What's the best Vehicle?
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
From: nickn@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Nick_Nikov)
Subject: Re: Transition Board or Short Board???
Organization: Australian Graduate School of Management
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:32:52 GMT

In article <4310478@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> short@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Nancy Short) writes:
>   i would go for the short board option. get something around 9'8" and
>floaty and resign yourself to spending some time paying your learning
>to waterstart dues. forget the daggerboard. you can still uphaul if you
>really need to, but once you learn to waterstart you will be much happier
>with this than a transition board. and if learning to waterstart is your
>next objective.......
>
>

This has been a difficult question for many. You will find that regular
(and experienced sailors) will recommend the board without centerboard
option. It really depends on YOU. How often you expect to sail, how much
spare time (for sailing) you have, your location including wind etc.

If you want to enjoy planning and jibing, jumping and the rest of it
at winds >15knots, I recommend as above (Nancy).

Not being a long board sailor, I would also recommend what Nancy says.

Go for it.....

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From: cpmcgann@swift.cs.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Conditions at Cape May, NJ ????????
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:03:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin


I am staying in the US for September and October and will be living
in Cape May, New Jersey. Does anyone have any info on this location
as regards windsurfing. For example, average wind strength, 
availability and cost of rental equipment.

Thanks for any info.
From: ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: baltic sea
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:08:10 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: davinci.doc.ic.ac.uk


In <COVILLE.92Aug17102818@h114.desy.de> coville@h114.desy.de (Arnaud Coville) writes:

>It took some time but at last here they are!  some wind and temperature
> statistics about the baltic sea:

>Month		Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul 	Aug
...
>temp air in C 	2	2	5	9	14	19	20	20
>temp water	2	1	3	6	11	16	18	18
...

>Month		Sept	Oct	Nov	Dec
...
>temp air in C 	17	12	7	4
>temp water	15	11	7	4

...  there are people from finland
> on the net they surely have a better idea how long is it possible to stay on 
>the water, i would say that you stop surfing with the beginning of october.

>So for Dave which is moving in October to Kopenhagen, i think you will
>have to wait until May.  So enjoy the rest of time ! 
>  

>Arno

Thanks for the stats Arno. But I can't wait 'till May!!!!  To be
honest, I reckon I should be able to manage November and April OK. I
think that the limiting factor in cold weather sailing is air
temperature rather than sea temp. Do others agree, or is this a
personal thing dependent on how much time one spends in the water?
What are the coldest temps that other netters are prepared to endure,
and what tips do you have for dealing with the cold?

Here in the UK I sail all year, but I don't often go out in air
temperatures below 7C (not counting wind chill). This means that I am
limited to sailing S to W winds (which are much warmer), but since
these are the most common, winter is usually a pretty good time of
year. Having said that, not everyone sails all year. Since Denmark has
similar wind patterns to the UK, I would expect (hope) that there are
many windy days which are above the average temperatures. Am I just kidding
myself?

By the way, I am still listening out for dry-suit recommendations ...

Cheers,

Dave.

--
From: luigi@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Luigi Semenzato)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Kodak Waterproof Camera
Date: 21 Aug 1992 19:23:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paris.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug21.185645.22899@pony.Ingres.COM>, thall@Ingres.COM 
(Trevor Hall) writes:

|> One thing I've considered, but haven't tried yet:  one of those Kodak
|> disposable cameras.  I forget which model it is, but one of them is
|> advertised as waterproof to 20'.  That way, if you drop the thing, you're
|> only out $20, instead of $300+.

More like $600+ (but maybe it floats, no?).

I have tried one of those Kodak waterproof cameras---it could be called
the Week-end, but I am not certain.  It's really waterproof.  I took it with
me when exploring a rocky river in the sierra foothills, swam with it, and
banged it around.  It was nice not to have to worry about it.

The prints were reasonable but they looked fuzzy even in the small
format (4x6 inches).  Definitely not worth enlarging.  --Luigi
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: coville@h114.desy.de (Arnaud Coville)
Subject: baltic sea
Organization: none
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:28:18 GMT



It took some time but at last here they are!  some wind and temperature
 statistics about the baltic sea:


Month		Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul 	Aug

%of time 	17	13	12	10	5	5	10	8
over 6 Bft

%of time 	45	46	46	40	40	36	40	40
4-5 Bft 


temp air in C 	2	2	5	9	14	19	20	20
temp water	2	1	3	6	11	16	18	18



Month		Sept	Oct	Nov	Dec

%of time 	12	15	17	18
over 6 Bft

%of time 	42	42	50	50
4-5 Bft 


temp air in C 	17	12	7	4
temp water	15	11	7	4


So these are the statistics given by a german paper. My experience of the 
baltic sea is reduced to this summer. I've been surfing there and on the 
north sea since May, and althought this summer was unusually hot this year 
i found the water rather cold. I have to stop at least half an hour every   
one and half hour because i am exhausted and freezing. I guess you first 
have to get used to these kind of temperature. there are people from finland
 on the net they surely have a better idea how long is it possible to stay on 
the water, i would say that you stop surfing with the beginning of october.

So for Dave which is moving in October to Kopenhagen, i think you will
have to wait until May.  So enjoy the rest of time ! 
  

Arno
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