HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:25:30 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"robg" == Rob Griffiths <robg@Apple.COM> writes:

robg> Recommendation:

robg>    * Talk to State Farm about insuring your motorcycle

robg> Reasons:
[...]
robg>    * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike
robg> without a car on the policy.  However, their auto rates were

This is no longer the case, it's up to the individual agent.  I've got
insurance with State Farm on two motorcycles (92 R100R, 91 CB750) and
no car.

My agent is Jack Flesher, 415.941.8700.  Tell 'em eric townsend
referred you.  (I don't get anything, I'm just trying to make friends.
:-)

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
               '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"


From metasw.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!news.kpc.com!kpc!hollasch Fri Nov 20 15:14:52 PST 1992
Article: 882 of ba.motorcycles
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Summary: Second vote for Jack Flesher
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:57:02 GMT

"robg" == Rob Griffiths <robg@Apple.COM> writes:
robg>    * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike
robg> without a car on the policy.  However, their auto rates were

jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
| This is no longer the case, it's up to the individual agent.  I've got
| insurance with State Farm on two motorcycles (92 R100R, 91 CB750) and
| no car.
| 
| My agent is Jack Flesher, 415.941.8700.  Tell 'em eric townsend
| referred you.  (I don't get anything, I'm just trying to make friends.
| :-)

    Here's a second vote for Jack Flesher & State Farm.  My sole vehicle is
my 1983 Kawasaki GPz 550.  I have $100k/$300k liability coverage for about
$150 a year.  I'm 29, single, male.

    Unfortunately, my girlfriend is also insured with them and has tested
their claims services (car rear-ended last March; I was driving =^(.  The
good news is that we have no complaints about he coverage.

    Another thumbs-up.

______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Hollasch                                   Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
hollasch@kpc.com                                 Santa Clara, California


From metasw.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!ames!ictv!scott Mon Nov 23 10:10:05 PST 1992
Article: 887 of ba.motorcycles
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: scott@ictv.com (Scott Watters)
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:35:39 GMT

In article <74493@apple.apple.COM> robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths) writes:
	   * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike without a car
	     on the policy.  However, their auto rates were much cheaper than what
	     I was paying at Allstate, so I had no problem switching.
	
I don't know who told you this but State Farm insures ONLY my 93
CBR900RR. I have AAA for my house and Jeep. Granted it may cost me
more $ if I don't get the multi vehicle discount but full coverage
with lots of liability and $250 deductable costs me $500 per year. I'm
31 years old with a clean record (0 points).



-- 
Scott R. Watters      |  aka  scott@ictv.com  |                 1993 CBR900RR
ICTV  280 Martin Ave. |                       |                        #00132
Santa Clara, CA       |  go big or stay home  |
(408)562-9200         |                       |              Bridgestone MB-1


From metasw.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!ames!agate!stanford.edu!microunity!ericm Mon Nov 23 10:11:04 PST 1992
Article: 888 of ba.motorcycles
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:18:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.163539.17975@ictv.com> scott@ictv.com (Scott Watters) writes:
>	
>I don't know who told you this but State Farm insures ONLY my 93
>CBR900RR. I have AAA for my house and Jeep. Granted it may cost me
>more $ if I don't get the multi vehicle discount but full coverage
>with lots of liability and $250 deductable costs me $500 per year. I'm
>31 years old with a clean record (0 points).

State Farm also insures my not-imported-to-the-US RZ500.  Full
coverage, $250 deductable, ~$250 a year.  They didn't balk when I
told 'em what it was, unlike the first company I talked to who
claims to specialize in bikes and didn't want to touch the RZ.
The State Farm agent just asked how we could figure the value of
the thing if it gets destroyed or stolen.  I've insured a number
of cages and other bikes with the same agent though, so I can't
say that a first-time client would get the same deal.

I also asked my agent about insuring my BMW R100, and the cost
for just liability on it came out to be the same as the full
coverage on the RZ.  Since I can get that cheaper elsewhere, that's
what I did.  I think State Farm bases it's motorcycle insurance
on displacement.


--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
    This package contains one (1) Usenet news posting.  Do not eat.


From metasw.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!borland.com!sidney Mon Nov 23 10:13:33 PST 1992
Article: 890 of ba.motorcycles
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
Originator: sidney@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:00:15 GMT

In article <74493@apple.apple.COM> robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths) writes:
>   * Talk to State Farm about insuring your motorcycle

I agree!

>   * You MUST insure a car with them!

I know that was true as of about two years ago, and that it is not
true now.  My agent (Jim Fairband, in Santa Cruz: Highly recommended
but don't bother with the guy he shares his office with) told me that
it was a result of a change in the state law. To his credit, after
finding out that my present auto insurance is with AAA (Cal State
A.A.), he recommended that I not change auto insurance, since he
considered them as good as State Farm for that. I don't recall exactly
what my insurance costs, but it is well under $200/yr for
comprehensive $500 deductible on a 1986 Yamaha Radian 600.

 -- sidney <sidney@borland.com>


From metasw.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!beach.csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!sgiblab!news.kpc.com!kpc!kpc.com!atl Mon Nov 23 10:13:53 PST 1992
Article: 891 of ba.motorcycles
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance recommendation
From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:15:02 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer


|> what I did.  I think State Farm bases it's motorcycle insurance
|> on displacement.

Partially. My 1983 GS1100ES, $50 comp and coll deductable costs me $200/yr.
I'm 31, no points (knock on wood)

	Drew

-- 
+------------------------------+ Andrew Lynch, atl@kpc.com
| Congratulations, Bill and Al | Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Santa Clara, Ca.
| Now, don't screw it up!      | (408)748-6345
+------------------------------+ Disclaimer: This is me, not them.


From metasw.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!decwrl!infoserv!bleep!billh Mon Nov 23 10:15:17 PST 1992
Article: 895 of ba.motorcycles
From: jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Where are the NSF Rider safety courses ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:49:17 GMT
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center

Hi all,

I'm a novice rider and would like to take the NSF's rider safety course.  Anyone
know where/when these courses are given around the bay area?  

Thanks,

Jim C.
From: mspencer@apple.com (Mark Spencer)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Good place to buy Metzlers? Installation?
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:39:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C0prp4.8Cx@cup.hp.com> Mark Thompson, markt@cup.hp.com writes:
>Road Rider
>or
>Santa Clara Cycle Salvage

Zoom to buy and Hole Shot to install. Both on El Camino in Santa Clara,
near the Lawrence Expressway.
From: csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Chuck Kuczaj)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:36:50 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

I took my newly acquired Yamaha FJ-1100 into Grand Prix on El Camino to
have it generally checked-over, since I bought it off of
a friend who lives in NY, who rode it relatively infrequently during his
last months of ownership.  This is the first bike that I have owned, so
for safety's sake, I wanted to have it looked at by someone
knowledgeable.

I had them change the oil & filters, put a new tire on the front,
replace the chain, and perform their "general inspection".  So far
so good.

Then I received this call at work, from the service manager Pete, who said
"Bad news...the valves are tight to the point of not being adjustable
and the compression is low."  Pete stated that they "even tried a
different gauge just to double-check".  He said "you're looking at
a rebuild."

The bike is in great condition and has 15500 miles on it, and seemed to
run great, so I was certainly skeptical.

So, with the thought of a rough figure of $1000 or so (quoted by Pete)
to rebuild the engine looming ahead, I decided it would be a wise
investment to purchase the genuine maintenance manual, a compression
gauge, and a set of feeler gauges.

My own observations indicated that most of the valves were within
specifications, with the deviant ones not more than a pad size off of
spec, certainly not unadjustable.

Compression was right on the mark in all cylinders.

So, does anyone have any recommendations as to what an appropriate
course of action might be (if any)?

I would also appreciate it if any other people who have had problems
with this shop would get in touch with me.  Perhaps we could work
something out together.

Obviously, I understand that "mistakes happen", but when the "mistake"
can amount to $1000, that really bothers me.  I am especially worried
about anyone who might have been taken in by such a "mistake".

Moreover, I understand that Pete may or may not be totally at fault
here, since he may have been provided the information by someone else.
However, on such a high expense item, I feel that a service manager
should verify the work before recommending action to the customer.

Thanks in advance for any advise/information.
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: does this count as lane splitting?
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:36:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.183325.24261@netcom.com> lemay@netcom.com
(Laura Lemay) writes:
>
>First of all, congratulate me:  as of 8:24 this morning I passed my
>motorcycle road test.  I be a real motorcyclist now.

Congrats.  Now you can practice enough to learn to ride.

>If one is in the rightmost lane, and one wants to turn right, but all
>the cars ahead of you are going straight, how legal is it to zip up
>on the right side between the cars and the sidewalk to get up to the
>front so one can turn right?

If it's marked as a shoulder (solid line) or as a parking
lane, it's not legal to drive there.  If it's marked as
a bicycle lane, you can move into it if you're within 200
feet of the corner.

>Does that count as lane splitting, or as riding on the shoulder?  

Riding on the shoulder.  To lane share without breaking
the law, you have to do it completely within one traffic
lane.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter gas and Dumb Question
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:46:32 GMT
Reply-To: timl@mti.sgi.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Mips Technologies Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: zulu.mti.sgi.com

Well my milage went down in all three of our cars and the bike! About -15% just
like the rest of you folks. Now for the stupid question of the day...

The idea is that this gas burns cleaner and produces less polutants as it
burns, right? If it puts out say 15% less polutants than the normal gas
but we are actually using 15% more gas to get where we are going, doesn't
that make it a wash? Seems like the only winners here are the gas stations
who are charging more per gallon and selling more gallons!

	Tim
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:51:15 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud

In article <txd.726724227@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>Does *anybody* have an absolutely *better* shop in the area? I haven't
>found one. Sure, the parts droids are often idiots, and there's a high
>turnover there. Sales slime are as always, sales slime, I'm convinced
>that slime is a prerequisite. 

Berkeley Yamaha gets lots of my money because they've never once given me
the impression that they're trying to take it from me.

Their parts and accessories are reasonably priced, their service department
is efficient and generous with free advice, and none of the sales folk have
given me anything more than a "do you have any questions?" while I've been
fondling their floor models.

While it may be possible to get unsatifactory repair work out of any service
department, I have no doubt that they would be fair and reasonable in dealing
with any problems I brought back to them.


-- 
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Proper Riding Position for a Passenger
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:41:21 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Inc.
In-reply-to: ssr@radiomail.net's message of 5 Jan 93 23:56:55 GMT


A valid uuencoded file starts with a ``begin <mode> <filename>'' line,
and ends with an ``end'' line.   I added one to your file, and
uudecoded it successfully, but what came out was not a gif file.   I
suggest that you throw the NeXT away and get a real computer, or don't
try to post graphics with it (you choose :').

			       _MelloN_
--
mellon@ncd.com						uunet!lupine!mellon
Member of the League for Programming Freedom.   To find out how software
patents may cost you your right to program, contact lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can't I do better on insurance?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:32:49 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer

Your rates seem to be about the average 'best' for this part of 
the peninsula (most recent <750cc bikes come in around $375 with
State Farm and full coverage). I've looked carefully and not found
a significantly better rate with any other agents/insurance companies.

We have similar specs; my bike is an '87 Honda VFR700 with State Farm.
The Ducati is insured with another company and is just about the same.

I understand the word "Ninja" causes an immediate rise in insurance 
rates with State Farm ... %^/
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: lipson@dms.agames.com (Pete Lipson)
Subject: Re: does this count as lane splitting?
Organization: Atari Games Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:07:41 GMT

Chuck Karish (karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan4.183325.24261@netcom.com> lemay@netcom.com
: (Laura Lemay) writes:
: >
: >First of all, congratulate me:  as of 8:24 this morning I passed my
: >motorcycle road test.  I be a real motorcyclist now.
: 
: Congrats.  Now you can practice enough to learn to ride.
: 
: >If one is in the rightmost lane, and one wants to turn right, but all
: >the cars ahead of you are going straight, how legal is it to zip up
: >on the right side between the cars and the sidewalk to get up to the
: >front so one can turn right?

 - whether or not it's legal isn't as important as whether or not the
drivers are REALLY going straight.  DONT TRUST ANYONE!!! the key to
lanesplitting isn't handling your bike in the narrow spaces between
the cars or between cars and the curb, but it's in spotting what the
drivers are about to do next.
: 
-- 
  /V\
-/@-*\- Peter Lipson <-- lipson@agames.com   or   netcom!dms!lipson
 \_o_/  Milpitas, CA <-- Atari Games
   U
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:23:30 GMT
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud

In article <1993Jan6.184017.14108@netcom.com> lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) writes:
>If you can trek all the way north, check out Yamaha San Mateo.  They've
>always been really nice to me (well, it helps that I bought my RZ there),
>and thier mechanic seem to really have it on the ball.

  Are they under different management than they were in 1990?  I certainly
hope so since they really reamed a friend of mine and I back then.  The 
sales manager set us up with a pretty good deal, then we got screwed badly by
the manager _and_ the service department while the sales guy was on vacation.

  The sales manager was so pissed that they screwed up our deal that he ended
up quitting.  (I guess it was the straw that broke the camel's back)

  Yamaha San Mateo will never see me again .. even though they still owe me
somewhere around $600 in parts.  

  I can supply details.

  -Jim
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Winter gas and Dumb Question
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:33:16 GMT

In article <1iab7oINNiju@spim.mti.sgi.com> timl@mti.sgi.com writes:
>Well my milage went down in all three of our cars and the bike! About -15% just
>like the rest of you folks. Now for the stupid question of the day...
>
>The idea is that this gas burns cleaner and produces less polutants as it
>burns, right? If it puts out say 15% less polutants than the normal gas
>but we are actually using 15% more gas to get where we are going, doesn't
>that make it a wash? Seems like the only winners here are the gas stations
>who are charging more per gallon and selling more gallons!

Boy, talk about your stupid questions! Of COURSE there's a difference, otherwise
they wouldn't do it, right? Sheesh!

Seriously, there is SUPPOSED to be a difference in the KIND of pollutants
produced: fewer nitrogen containing compounds, more hydrocarbons (of course, 
that also could mean more aldehydes and ketones, but we'll ignore that for 
now). Whether there is an ACTUAL difference is another matter. In any event, 
the difference in overall pollutants was predicted to be about 10%, so this
seems a net environmental detriment (not to mention a fiscal beating).

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opinions are not so much opinions, as pearls of wisdom. Any-
one disagreeing is obviously either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally-
deficient, weak-willed, inconsequential, namby-pamby tool of some vague but
conveniently defined conspiracy, or b) my wife.
From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: does this count as lane splitting?
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:50:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)


I wrote:
> >   If one is in the rightmost lane, and one wants to turn right, but all
> >   the cars ahead of you are going straight, how legal is it to zip up
> >   on the right side between the cars and the sidewalk to get up to the
> >   front so one can turn right?

In article <MGSMITH.93Jan5082026@hpl.hp.com> mgsmith@hpl.hp.com (Michael Smith) writes:> 
> Cool way to get squished!  How do you know that the cars are not
> going to turn right?  You should certainly never depend on a cars
> turn signals. 

In the intersection in question, a city street, all traffic was
stopped at a light and there was no more than a foot or so between
traffic and the sidewalk.  There was so way cars could have swerved
right randomly.  My question was whether I could squeeze up between
the stopped traffic to the front where I could turn right.  My
apologies for being overly vague.

Most of the answers I got were "no, its not legal." It counts as either
passing on the right, which is not legal, or riding on the shoulder,
which is also not legal. 

However, a bunch of people noted it was doubtful this is heavily enforced.


Sad; I feel really uncomfortable lane splitting or even zipping up
between the lines of stopped traffic at lights, but I have no problem
cutting between traffic and the sidewalk.  Figures that *that* would
be illegal. :)









-- 
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay                              lemay@netcom.com
writer of trifles in shadows and blood
*********************************************************
From: wgale@starchild.Eng.Sun.COM (Wendy Gale)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Motorcycle, Trailer & Gear
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:04:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: wgale@starchild.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starchild


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	outside zippers with snaps at boot
	Buckle at waist.
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	10,000 miles
	good learning bike
	helmet & shop manual
	$600

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	Custom
	3 bikes
	Gas Storage Rings
	Metal Storage Box
	Registration current
	$700

wendy
(415) 336-5948
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Moto show at the Cow Palace
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:23:27 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

When you get up to the Cow Palace, make a beeline for South Hall.
Kawasaki has an RC race track, with five-bike heats every twenty
minutes.  Sign up for bike #3 if possible; it seems to steer the
best.  This will probably fill up fast!

Karen
From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: question about out-of-state licenses
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:34:13 GMT
Organization: Stanford University Amateur Radio Club, California USA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: w6yx.stanford.edu

In article <duk.726889822@well.sf.ca.us> duk@well.sf.ca.us (Chuck Miller) writes:
>
>
>>Out of state friend under 21 wants to know if he has to take MSF course
>>here to get his license.
>
>Why do research?  All you can do is find out that DMV was right.  He should
>go in and try to get it.  If he's nice, and the clerk is friendly ... .  As
>to your question, I don't know.

Because sometimes you have to take the vehicle code IN to the DMV and wave it
in their faces to prove that THEY are wrong!


-- 
Alpha Schram	    	ROMANI ITE DOMUM 	    alpha@w6yx.stanford.edu
1974 CB360 (Sexy Sadie)      "It's not a big motorcycle,
					 just a groovy little motorbike..."

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