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From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: Re: underground??? CC:
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:31:07 GMT

In article <BuHLqu.M4o@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>My problem with "industrial" is that it has become a "scene,"
>(which is fine in and of itself) and it has lost the "spirit"
>it originally contained.
>[rest of brilliant post deleted, go back and read it if you missed it]

Bravo. I knew you had it in you. :-)

As a caveat, though, I must say that your ad hominem attacks are just as tired
as anything else you bring up in your post. 

-- 
					- Adam J Weitzman
					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
From: rdna@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Paul Paukstelis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: , Public Enemy
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:20:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu


The word here in Manhattan is that FLA will be opening for Public Enemy
on Sept. 19, at the KU ballroom. Any Kans-ass people going?

--rDNA
From: conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner)
Subject: Re: What song is this: Nitzer Ebb
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:03:24 GMT

I believe the track you are looking for is titled: "Join In The Chant"  You
can find 2 version on the album "That Total Age".

Mike
From: matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: underground???     CC:
Keywords: oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, mouthwatering
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:47:43 GMT
Followup-To: westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu, misc.test, ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Iefh=Ve00WBKE_OJtW@andrew.cmu.edu> ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Sokhyon Pak) writes:
>
>   I know I'm new to this board, but it seems like everyone is into
>poppy "industrial" thinking cool to put down TRENT REZNOR.  but I don't
>see anyone talking about bands like:  MALHAVOC, DESPERATION, VAMPIRE
>RODENTS, MACHINERY STUFF: AND ONe, SNOG, SWAMP TERRORIST, OOMPH1.... or
>not even about ZOTH OMMOG bands,.... is WAX TRAX and domestic major
>labels all that you guys listen to?what about ARMAGEDDON DILDOS? DANCE
>TO TRANCE, AIRCRASH BUREAU, INFLUID? LEATHERSTRIP? the infamous
>LEATHERSTRIP? KLUTE? or even BORIS MIKULIC?  THERE's so much more to
>industrial than NIN, MINISTRY, FRONT242, WAX TRAX, AND SKINNY PUPPY. 
>Does anyone REALLY listen to INDUSTRIAL out there? or do you like
>MINSTRY and SKINNY PUPPY?  I like them too, but there's so much
>more.....  

There certainly is so much more, isn't there, Ed.
Problem is, ALL OF IT SUCKS.
The whole thing is dead.  Get over it.
You look pathetic.

By the way, the "you aren't as industrial as I am" posting is a bit
banal around here.  Please refrain from posting to the net again,
as you cost thousands of dollars with your useless drivel.

Skinny Puppy sucks.  Leatherstrip sucks.  Throbbing Gristle sucks.
But most of all, you suck.






Love, 
Matthew Neill Sharp
matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  mnsharp@nyx.cs.du.edu     
bp271@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu

 
>   I have NIN concert videos.. and will trade for SKINNY PUPPY's WORLOCK
>X rated video.  I have TESTURE, SPASMOLYTIC, STAIRS AND FLOWERS, DIGIT,
>ETC.  but I don't have WORLOCK....  I also have rare KMFDM and FRONT 242
>concerts.... 


The whole thing is dead.  Get over it.
You look pathetic.
Fascinating.  Really.
The whole thing is dead.  Get over it.
You look pathetic.
From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Assimilation as a positive virtue
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:43:31 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

smith@comm.mot.com gets rhetorical responding to someone with a cute
$NAME field:(why doesn't anyone just use something like "bobby@undergrad.edu
(I wish I was as neat as I imagine myself to be)" for a sig line like
they used to in the old days? :-) )

>|> I want the term industrial back...  Mr. Metalhead did do one thing 
>|> with his post that was useful, and that was reminding us that the
>|> term "industrial" means jack shit anymore.  Going into an industrial
>|> newsgroup and holding high the virtues of NIN and slagging Neubauten
>|> at the same time is... well, intolerable.
>|> It pisses me off that people just getting into "industrial" think that
>|> NIN and Ministry and KMFDM is all there is to "industrial".  Just as it
>|> pisses me off that  "alternative" wannabes think that Soundgarden and
>|> Pearl Jam are all there is to "alternative".

>Hmmm...now where have I heard this before?

Oh, I don't know...this seems to me to be the ever-popular "second-line"
squabble which follows the "need" to create ever-tinier newsgroups which
must then be defended from the onslaught of the unwashed whose numerical
presence begins to devalue the currency of cool. Appears to have the 
usual roots in the "authentic music copied by unscrupulous clones" school,
too. The only thing which distinguishes this one involves just a teensy
linguistic slip: using the word "intolerable" is too high register a 
term for this group. The implication of moral outrage, too [do we hear a
little call for some industrial "Ethnic Cleansing" here too, peut-etre?].
Nice use of "wannabe" - an implicit statement of the rank of the 
poster. A cut above the usual salting of posts with "we".

The fun part about industrial music is that one simply cannot pick up
the historical bludgeons that are the easy resort in other microgroups
like *folk or *classical or *jazz. The rest is pretty much the same
dreary window dressing. If things get really tiresome, one might note
that some of the really good writers and sharp persons actually do their
bit by *crossposting* [nice job on the Dome1&2, Al. I think you might
find Dome3 more to your liking when you get it]. The few brave souls
who've tried to get a little historical [those who'd dare assume that
some connection exists between this stuff and the time before - Situational-
ists, Futurists, etc.] are usually met with profound silence. Ah, judgement,
thou art fled to brutish beasts, and the students have returned for the
semester. Let the old arguments surface once again.

--
A machine plays many pianos at once and the music holds them aloft, a different
tune for each ship. Freedom has nothing to do with control and control nothing
to do with my weak heart lonely for its birthday and the excitement of pure
sunlight and of snow parting into countless buoyant shapes over the airfield.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: Industrial Music for Industrial Snobs
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:53:22 GMT

>However, my tastes in music definately do NOT run along one "vein" of
>bands that sound similar (nice analogy, tho').  I listen to (here we go
>with the classifications) classical, opera, "real" industrial, "dance"
>industrial, new age, jazz, hardcore, thrash metal, rap, and so on and so
>forth.  Hell, I've even started liking some country.  (and please,
[...]
>I *own* at least a few examples of each of these genres (except
							  ^^^^^^
>country).  I honestly think I'm getting to the point where I can say "I
 ^^^^^^^

check out Patsy Cline ... any "best of Patsy Cline" comp will have her
essential tracks. (What? Patsy Cline not Industrial? F*@# that s$%&!)

>Greg
>ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
>sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca

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From: gcf@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (graham Freeland )
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Have the Mnemonists forgotten?
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:38:41 GMT
Organization: Signal Processing Division, University of Strathclyde. Glasgow
Originator: gcf@newton

In article <1992Sep10.042219.11773@midway.uchicago.edu> tisue@athens.uchicago.edu (Seth Tisue) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.190600.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>>   Have the Mnemonists produced anything lately?
>
>Do you mean the Mnemonists specifically as opposed to Biota, or is Biota
>close enough?
>
>Biota are still active; a lot of their stuff recently came out on CD
>on Recommended/Cuneiform.  There's also a CD of new material, I forget
>the title though.  They always credit the visuals to the Mnemonists.
>
>Incidentally, the Biota CD's aren't too hard to find, but I've never
>seen any old Mnemonists recordings anywhere... Does anyone know where
>I might be able to obtain them?  I'd be especially interested in hearing
>_Horde_.
>
>--
>= Seth Tisue (tisue@csnext.uchicago.edu) (NeXT mail welcome)
>= U.S. Mail: c/o Plaster Cramp Press, P.O. Box 5975, Chicago IL 60680

Horde is available from These Records (formerly Recommended),
LP only, by airmail, for 9.50 pounds (surface mail: 7.25 pounds).
They accept INTERNATIONAL MONEY ORDERS IN POUNDS STERLING ONLY 
("cheques must be drawn on a British bank (in sterling) otherwise 
you'll be hit by a 6-7 pounds bank charge"), or "banknotes carefully 
concealed in an envelope (Pound Sterling or US $ only), registered 
for super safety" (they will also exchange goods for decent red wine!!).
This is the only Mnemonists item in their current catalogue, available 
from These Records,387 Wandsworth Road, London SW8 2JL, U.K.

Graham Freeland. 
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pimpster@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (R23)
Subject: Re: wait.  sue vega INDUSTRIAL?
Keywords: suzanne vega
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:55:49 GMT

In article <27894@life.ai.mit.edu> gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Evil  
Microwizard) writes:
> did suzanne vega really record an industrial-influenced single?
> 
> when i saw this thread here on rmi, i was half ready to consider it a
> joke, especailly after some of the stores i visited had no inkling
> there was anything new by ms. vega.
> 
> what's the title?  when's the album coming out?  am i falling for
> something like the a.s.stories FORUM MAILING LIST, here?
> 

Yeah, supposedly her new album is 'industrial folk'. I believe it's called  
99.9 degrees. I've heard the single 'Blood Maked Noise' and I think it's  
pretty catchy...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Front Line Assembly: Toronto at the Opera House
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:32:49 GMT

I lost my industrial cherry on Tuesday. Thanks to Bill Leeb, it
was wonderful.

This was my first industrial concert, and it was great.

Contagion opened, and they were welcomed, but like someone
else said, they didn't have the light show that FLA did. They
aren't as well known around here, either.

In between the set changes, numerous inflated condoms were being
volleyed by the crowd.

When FLA came on, that array of TV's started flashing some
very surreal images; silhouettes of someone forging metal,
space scenes, lissajous figures on an oscilloscope (I think),
some computer graphics, and lots of stuff I don't remember. The
samples were from all over the place. One I remember was Freejack.
"Welcome to my mind," at the outset. Meanwhile, the speakers
were making your chest shake and resonate with the bass.

FLA opened with Biomechanic.  Everyone took it easy for this first 
song.

I was caught by surprise with the second song, it was off of Neural
Tactical as well. I think it was MindPhaser. But everyone starts
moshing at once. It was something else. I've never been in such
a situation. I made a point of pushing back if pushed, sometimes
pushing first. Sweat dripping off you, getting cramps.

For a time, I was regretting this, thinking I might have been
better off on the balcony. But I remember reading right here, that
it was much more fun in the mosh pit. And I had to agree it was
a great workout. When I realized I wasn't going to get trampled
or beat-up, I had a great time in the pit.

I also got to talk briefly with Bill Leeb's fiance. Asked some questions
about how he feels about technology. Where he gets his ideas. She
grew up with Bill and the members of Skinny Puppy. I asked if she plays
a role in the development of the music. Bill and Rhys do the work, but,
"she gets to preview it before anyone else," she adds with a laugh.

I told her that I really like the concepts behind TNI, since I think
this is one form that artificial intelligence will take. It's really
great to see music inspired by the power of technology. She gave me
a mailing address on a really neat business card.

My mementos of this are two t-shirts, being _very_ tired (I didn't
leave the mosh pit), and looking forward to more industrial concerts,
and perhaps sending Bill and Caroline a blurb about my neural net
simulations.

Ice()		ice@skynet.uucp		or 	cpw@watserv1.waterloo.edu
{
/* Ice's Hypermedia Sig */ #include <cyberpunk.h> #include <industrial.h> 
Hardware required: biological neural net with _unsupervised_learning_
Audio() Burning Inside by Ministry; "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" 
Visual() Sarah Connor's flesh on fire blasted away leaving screaming skeleton 
}
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 6 Sep 1992 00:35:28 CDT
From: David James Alexander Hanley <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: "Gay" Things

In article <1992Sep3.205155.11189@pellns.alleg.edu>, sunthej@reis53.alleg.edu
(Jeremy Suntheimer) says:
>
>        Hey, here's a hint.  Pull out your NIN, Ministry & Skinny Puppy
>CD's (just three promenent bands, for example).  Now carefully listen to
>those lyrics.  Now think of them in conjunction with the term "bisexual".
>Get the hint?
>                                                        Jake Blues
>                                        (Nobody Knows I'm Bi Either)

  I never noticed that in the lyrics m'self, being striaght as an
arrow, but at the "Pigface" concert I was at there seemed to be a LOT
of "touching" going on.  So I dunno.  I don't care if they fuck women,
men, small fuzzy creatures, or jello molds, as long as they put out
cool music..

The Cockroach
Xref: sparky rec.music.industrial:10269 alt.rave:2947
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
Subject: Re: Techno/Rave/Industrial/Garage?  Confusing, man...
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:21:37 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1685C12F80.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>industrial=edgier, grittier techno with more words ;-)

        Industrial disco, maybe.  Either way, it's not nice of you to give
silly, confusing definitions to people who don't know any better.

        For a decent definition of "industrial music", go and read the first
couple pages of the _Industrial_Culture_Handbook_.  (Then to find out why
industrial music sucks for the most part, read the rest of it.)


-- 
John Davison
davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.rave
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: SHAMEN Announcement: was Re: Shamen LSI - a real disappointment
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:58:39 GMT

ee3401cb@carina.unm.edu (Student Class Account) writes:

>I bought the LSI single and I hated it as much as the next person.  So
>much so that I don't see any` point in continuing their discography.  I was
>enthusisastic back in the good ol' days of "En'Tact" but why bother now?
>Does anybody want to take over the job of maintaining the Shamen dicography?
>I didn't think so.
>James 'Take this job and shove it' Word

I think Collin misses Will so much that he's not only trying to get him to
roll over in his grave, but rise from the dead to strangle Collin to keep him
from producing anymore trash under the Shamen name.

I received a taped copy of Will's version of "Purple Haze" about a month back.
Absolutely brilliant.  Too bad.
-- 
	"Oh, save me from these pale green pants with nobody inside!"

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Subject: Re: Is Trent dead?   NIN
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:51:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.174513.148959@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>>>A friend of mine told me a few months ago that Trent Reznor died of a
>>>heroin overdose.  "I saw it on MTV," he said.
>>>
>>>Problems with this:
>>>    1.  It's MTV.
>>>    2.  The only way to overdose on heroin is if you inject about a
>>>        gallon of the stuff (tainted needles, etc. are death, tho).
>
>  Tell that to Jimi and Janis.

Yeah.

Jimi and Janis didn't die of "heroin overdoses."  They mixed drugs,
and choked on vomit.

c
"Their own, presumably."
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu (Robert Stephens)
Subject: Re: Dimensionl Holographic Sound
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:52:07 GMT

I heard "House of God at First Ave. in Mpls,
all last summer.  It's a cool song.  They also
played the video on a huge screen and it is this
white smiley face on a black background that bobs
up and down and then turns into a house.  After a
few drinks it's pretty entertaining.  For those who
haven't heard it, it's worth checking out.


-- 
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University of Minnesota
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From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Is EBN industrial?
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:00:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Sep11.194224.15064@cs.brown.edu>
dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich) writes:

> a friend asked if I want to see
> Emergancy Broadcast Network tomorrow (I think that's the name).

Could you post a review?  I'd be real curious.  I've seen clips of
these guys on Mtv when they were reporting on the New Music Seminar,
and they look pretty cool - like N'land meets Public Enemy meets Jello
Biafra.  IMHO, of course.

If you decide they aren't industrial and you don't want to post here,
post to alt.music.alternative.  

Later,

 - nathan
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 1992 23:50:59 -0400 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Industrial Music for Industrial Snobs
	<Bu4Mu5.IqG@ecf.toronto.edu>
Distribution: rec

>Joshuea Buergel sed stuff like "go back and read what I wrote at the
>beginning of this post" as if I didnt read it, then replied and got him mad.
>Give the article a chance to get to rec.music.industrial before you blame
>people for not listening.

What I was pointed out to you was in the original post that I made.  I
said in the very first post that I acknowledged the need for
classification, in limited amounts.  You've missed the point once again.
 Try reading articles completely before responding to them.  This is the
second time that you've made it look like you only skim what I post. 
But, if you're going to respond to what I said instead of blowing me
off, do it in e-mail, as this has wandered out of rmi's domain.

Joshua Buergel      | Every time she slit her wrists
allroy+@cmu.edu     | I wish she hit instead of missed.
jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu | Every secret family crime
                    | All my love a waste of time.
                    |    - ALL, Scary Sad
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Industrial Music for Industrial Snobs
X-To: PAYNE DENISE JOYCE
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:08:00 GMT

(oooooh, I'm gonna flame yer ass, boy-ee!)

payne@ecf.toronto.edu (Ken Chasse in drag) writes:

>I have noticed EVERYWHERE THAT I GO
>that people have tastes which run along veins and these veins consist of
>strings of bands that sound similar to one another. When I'm met with the
>classic answer "I like anything" it means "I'm not into music."

Bullshit, Ken.  Take, for example, me (humble, ain't I?).  Would you
agree that I'm "into" music?  You've seen my record/CD collection.
You've had discussions with me about music.  You've gone to shows with
me.  So, am I "into" music?  I'd say yes.

However, my tastes in music definately do NOT run along one "vein" of
bands that sound similar (nice analogy, tho').  I listen to (here we go
with the classifications) classical, opera, "real" industrial, "dance"
industrial, new age, jazz, hardcore, thrash metal, rap, and so on and so
forth.  Hell, I've even started liking some country.  (and please,
folks, don't take this as being a "look at how cool I am 'cause I listen
to so many types of music" post, I'm just trying to make a point.)   And
I *own* at least a few examples of each of these genres (except
country).  I honestly think I'm getting to the point where I can say "I
like anything" ('cept I'll never like Wilson Phillips or En Vogue or
Marky Mark or other such pre-fab commercial fodder, but you get my
meaning) and *not* mean "I'm not into music".


>If you really appreciate it when idiots who must think like you do things like
>playing funk on the sound system before MBV goes on stage (assuming it wasnt
>just to make MBV look better) or putting totally incompatible bands together
>to play a show,then thats up to you.  FLA/Neubauten... Celtic Gales/DHI... etc.

Once again, I disagree.  I like a little contrast between bands at gigs.
For example, why bother having Digital Poodle open for FLA?  It'd be
like watching the same band twice.  I was quite impressed when I saw
that U2 had Primus and the Disposible Heroes opening for them in Toronto
this weekend.  Granted, there are some match-ups that just don't work -
your Celtic Gales/DHI example was good.  As much as I liked the Celtic
Gales, having them open for DHI was that great and idea, since they
pretty much put the audience to sleep - not a good idea before a "dance
industrial" band like DHI.  But I still found the contrast interesting.


Greg
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca

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