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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Oranges in a Bowl of Fruits
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:57:28 GMT

David Poore had wondered how I could pull for Nebraska in the OB 
over FSU. 

Part of the reason is the attitude that I've run into on this
campus. To the fans, FSU's sh*t don't stink. There's not a shred
of humility...well, ok, there's some around, but not much. They
*expect* a victory - NU is just another sacrifical goat. I don't
think most students know what a poor season is. 

They're spoiled. And I'd like to see the little brats get their
due.

Now, I'm not saying it's terrible to be a fan or to support your
team. I do - I can be quite vocal about it, too! But to support 
your team blindly, to ignore and/or belittle your opponent's
accomplishments...is galling. It matters little if the fans wear 
the garnet&gold of FSU, the green&orange of Miami, or the 
maroon&white of TAMU.

I think what really got to me, tho, was the surprise and shock
that I would root for my team (TAMU) over FSU in last year's
Cotton Turnover Bowl. It seemed that it was expected that I
turn traitor to the school that I graduated from.

No thanks.

James
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From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Auburn's new head coach is............
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:15:36 GMT

Oh great.  Just what Auburn needs.  Another f**king Bowden.  And the
worst thing is that he probably won't put his brother out to kick
rocks down the road.  After the two least offensively productive years
since Pat Dye was hired, we're probably going to retain the only coach
who _should_ have been fired.  And to top that off, even _if_ Auburn
_becomes_ the best team in college football, we won't be able to beat
Miami to save our asses.  What a joke.

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov

p.s.  Did everyone hear that as Eric and Twilitta Ramsey received
their diplomas two days ago at Auburn, there was a thundering BOO at
Eaves Memorial Coliseum?  Twillita was said to have made an obscene
gesture.  Imagine that.  People in Auburn don't like the Ramseys.
Who'da thunk it?


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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: It has been confirmed--all seats sold for I-AA final
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:00:05 GMT

Following up my post from last night, I have been told that, indeed, all the 
seats to the I-AA title game have been sold (28,000).

SRO tickets will go on sale Saturday morning before the game.

PDunn
From: valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hurricanes
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:32:01 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spica.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec15.193357.13740@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>Okay, it's the survey you've been looking for: how do you feel about
>the Canes: 1 - 10.  Give them a 1 if you absolutely HATE them (i.e.,
>you are a fan of some blasphemous team like Notre Dame :7)), a 5
>if you are apathetic (let's not get into any philosophical argument
>as to whether or not apathy should be in the middle of hate and 
>love), and finally (what you've all been waiting for) a 10 IF YOU
>LOVE THE CANES!!  I'll put together some kind of statistical package
>showing the numbers (variance, all that shit), to find out if UM
>fans are just a bunch of whinners (oops, sorry for that misspelling, 
>that should be "winners" :7)).  Please e-mail responses to me.

Since you didn't mention anything about using negative numbers, I'll give them
a overhyped "1". Also the Washington Huskies have had some success lately and
writers have been trying to dig up dirt on them, it makes me wonder what those
Cane boosters and "Co-cane" boosters been up to.:( Anyone care to bet?

>Thanks, and enjoy the thought of the Canes preparing to win their
>second national title in a row!

Since your first national "title" you achieved last year was probably something
like "Stuck-Up As All Hell", my thoughts are only what your second one could
be? :)

Fight On & Go Tide!
Valdis





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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: FSU Seminole Logo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:52:14 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


I used the icon editor to draw the FSU indian head logo, which I use as a
background on my sparcstation (tiled pattern), or to send to terminals of
gators I work with. ;-)  I did this freehand and then just kept trial and
error correcting until it looked right. Thought I would put a copy of it in
here for all to see.  It is a GIF file; simply save the file and uudecode it 
to produce nole.gif.  The blue background makes it easier on the eye as a 
screen background.  I also have versions for Clemson, Ga. Tech, Duke, NCSU,
and (ugh!) Florida, but ONLY THESE SCHOOLS since they are the only other
ones I have been able to get good samples for.  Maybe some other artist out
there could fill in the rest of the ACC???


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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:10:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.160532.707@ods.com>
scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
> All kidding aside, though, I (and most Aggies I know) kinda like Bama
> because of the common ties.  Even the team colors are fairly close (if
> you look at our uniforms on a bright day and yours in dim lighting)...

Awwww shucks!  You had to go and get mushy on me. *sigh*  Well, I might
as well go ahead and admit I kinda' like the Aggies myself. :-)

I worked with a group of Aggies who started a company called Sector
Research in Huntsville, AL.  They were a fun group to hang with, and
acquainted me with the many strange A&M traditions.  I especially like
the thing they do with the newspapers at basketball games.  They also
provided me with a constant supply of Aggie jokes, which I, being an
industrious Bama fan, easily converted into Auburn jokes.  :-)  They
tried to teach me to "gig" at an Xmas party, but I couldn't seem to
get the hang of it.  I probably not consumed enough alcohol.  :-)

BTW, I picked up the "agroamerican" term from a Motorola employee (also
in Huntsville, AL) who was a former resident of Austin and (presumably)
a UT fan.  Is that a common t-sip term for Aggies?  The Aggies at
Sector seemed to like it.

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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Stanford Cardinal?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:02:02 GMT

In <1gbk17INNnsh@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

>It's like the Pope.  :)  

>--WFT


I was expecting better of you, William.

When I was in school, I had a friend who liked to collect costumes.  He had
a jester's suit, a medieval king's costume, and this very elaborate king's
costume.  We were living in a co-op, and he and I went out to the freshmen
dorms with him wearing the cardinal costume.  The idea was to show that
people who live in co-ops weren't that weird.  In fact, my friend was so
normal that he was the Stanford Cardinal.

OK, OK, it wasn't that funny then, either.

I *do* think it would be fun to have a guy dressed in a cardinal's suit as
mascot, though.  But, hey, that's the kind of woman I am, ya know?
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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Texas Southern's Ansering Machine
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Good Afternoon - you have reached the Texas Southern University Marching
Band.  Unfortnuately, we are not in because we are playing with our brand
new Super Nintendo Video Game Systems.  After that we will be kicking back and
listening to CD's on our new personal sound systems.  If you would like to buy
a similar system, and are using a touch tone phone, press one now.  If you
need a touch tone phone, we would be happy to sell you a brnad new Konishiki
24 touch tone system, at fire sale prices.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Sheridan Update
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:55:06 GMT




>>
>>10-DEC-1992 16:16:00.16
>> 
>>
>>The papers hear have barely mentioned the subject for the past couple
>>weeks. The last thing said was on Monday and it was a statement by
>>NCSU athletics director Todd Turner stating that Sheriden had said
>>he was "content" with NCSU. Otherwise very little has been said on
>>this topic.
>>
>>My guess is that either he is interested and is going to take it or
>>he's just letting the NCSU fans and athletics department sweat a
>>little bit before he turns it down.
>>
>>I'm not a big fan of NCSU but I think it would be a big loss for the
>>ACC if he leaves.
>>
>>KRM
>>
>>
>>
>
>According to Auburn AD Mike Lude Auburn has not spoken to Sheridan since
>asking NCSU to allow them to speak to him.  Supposedly the source for
>the Atlanta article (I didn't see the paper, anyone know for sure?) was
>the father of a Senior in High School who is being recruited by NCSU 
>and Sheridan.  If this is true, great source guys!
>
>Bob
>

It's unbelievable how tabloid like the "mainstream" papers are getting.
It sounds to me like the Atlanta Constitution took a gamble and lost.
I found it odd that they got this story but the papers here in Raleigh
never mentioned it. It's starting to look like maybe Sheridan is going
to be in Raleigh for a while yet. Is Auburn serious about anyone else?
Why is Sheridan the only one who seems to be spurring rumors at the
moment? I thought Auburn wanted to settle this thing quickly.










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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Southern Conference Roll Call
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:54:52 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Questions about Army and Navy
Date: 13 Dec 1992 10:56:50 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Maybe these questions are trivial, but I'd like to know the following
please:

1) When was Army and/or Navy last in a bowl game?

2) When was Army and/or Navy ranked in the AP top 25?

3) Have either schools been National Champions since WWII?

William F. Tell
wft@soda.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Southern Conference Roll Call
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:29:14 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 16198@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>Doesn't the editor just srew that up good:-)
>
>You left out Georgia Southern and Davidson (the latter for Basketball only).
>
>BTW, I am a Marshall Grad, and love SoCon football.
>
>Woofs Upcomming--
>
>GO HERD!!
>PDunn


Davidson had been a long time Southern Conference member in basketball but was
pressured to compete in conference football when the whole conference was 
unilaterally dropped from 1-A to 1-AA (around 1980 or 1981?).  They didn't want
to do so and were discussing dropping out of the Southern when I graduated from
ASU.  So they hung around?

As for Georgia Southern, they were never a part of the Southern Conference and
unless they just recently joined it is news to me.  By the way, a bit of 
Southern Conference trivia ... the ACC is a spinoff of the Southern Conference!
Check the history books on it!

D. Head
ASU '82
Give 'em hell Apps!
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: ACC quiz: was re:Pac 10 quiz
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:00:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec17.123816.13405@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harr
is.com (David Head) writes:
>
>A similar quiz of ACC cities is not much easier, especially since there
>are 4 in North Carolina.  Here's a guess, from north to south:
>
>       College Park, MD        (Maryland)
>       Charlottesville, VA     (Virginia)
>       Winston Salem, NC       (Wake Forest)
>       Chapel Hill, NC         (UNC)
>       Raleigh, NC             (N.C. State)
>       Durham, NC              (Duke)
>       Clemson, SC             (Clemson)
>       Atlanta, GA             (Ga. Tech)
>       Tallahassee, FL         (Florida State)
>
>
>The real guesses of which are further north (without a map) are Winston Salem,
>Chapel Hill, and Raleigh.
>
Not bad, now lets try to rank tobacco road from east to west.  Incidently can
any one name a team that used to be in the ACC but now isn't?  I know of at
least one.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:58:11 GMT

In article <8f=6eWe00Uh_813AAH@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Some people like to say that FSU is better than Miami, although Miami
>beat FSU.  Others say that FSU is in no way, shape or form better than
>Miami because Miami beat them.  In my opinion, I would think that FSU is
>the best team in the country, but that's beside the point.  Let's take a
>look at the NFL for a quick minute.  Would one say that the New York
>Jets are better than the Buffalo Bills simply because the Jets happened
>to beat the Bills?  Probably not.  Would one say that the Dallas Cowboys
>are better because they walked all over the Washington Redskins in the
>beginning of the season?  Washington won in a rematch today.  My point
>is that using the argument that Miami is better because they won the
>game is kind of weak.  Both teams have improved since then, so it's not
>really fair to say one team is better than the other at this juncture in
>time.  If someone is going to claim that Miami is better, back it up
>with some stats and stuff.
>
>-Will

ok, let's take that to a little more extreme...

I believe that the last time the Steelers went to the Superbowl, they
only had 2 losses, both to Cincinnatti.  Cincinnati only had 2 wins..
So whats the point?  Cincinnati PROVED without a doubt that Pittsburgh
could be beaten. 

No one has proven that Miami can be beaten...  Some have come close,
but they haven't gotten the job done in the end.

I would look more at the trends...
Miami has taken --hmmm what is it?-- 4 out of the last 5.  Tell me,
which team is better?

I might be persuaded to feel that FSU is the better team, if they had
like taken the last 2 or 3 from Miami and then lost this year.  You
can't beat everyone all the time...  But in this case..  no..

In fact, I feel that Nebraska is going to line up rather well with
FSU.  They have an entire month to teach their DE's to pursue up the
field, not inward and their LB's to stay at home to pin Ward in the
pocket.  

you heard it hear first...
Nebraska 38
FSU      35

:-)

cmuck

ps - stats are a by-product of the game, not an accurate predictor of
     who is better.
From: mrm70@diag.amdahl.com (Mike McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best Football Names--I-A or I-AA???
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:23:48 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec11.204658.10966@athena.cs.uga.edu>, varma@athena.cs.uga.edu (Pratim Varma) writes:
|> In article <seale.724085822@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff)) writes:
|> >pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
|> >
|> >>A NEW THREAD!!
|> >
|> >>So far we have the following:
|> >
|> >>Orlando Hathcett--Marshall
|> >
|> >>Tank Conner--N. Iowa
|> >
|> >>Add your favorites to the list, football fans!!
|> >
|> >Bingo Mancillas--Texas Tech
|> >
|> >Byron Bam Morris--Texas Tech
|> >
|> >-Jeff (waitin' 'til next year) Seale
|> >
|> >>PDunn
|> 
|> Mack Strong  (Fullback at Georgia)

Mercury Hayes (WR? at Michigan)


And if this wasn't limited to football, Adonis Jordan (Bball, KU).

Are we r.s.f.c readers bored or what!? Pretty soon, I'll start
posting to the mascots-that-contain-a-color thread. Then it's 
alt.basketweaving...

'Hhhuuuhhhh, foot ball.' (Homer Simpson voice and slobbering)
Mike
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:34:21 GMT

In <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:

>I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>far I have five and only one location, as follows:

>Bowl			Location
>----			--------
>California Raisin	Fresno CA
>Bluebonnet		??
>Tangerine 		??
>Garden State
>Cherry

>Please post any additions you can come up with.

>R Dendy

The Garden state Bowl was at Giants Stadium at the Meadowlands in East
Rutherford, NJ.
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:23:24 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Dec17.235452.2731@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
| 
| Here's something else to consider.  Notre Dame got a lot of heat for 
| not continuing the series with Miami.  Notre Dame had some reasonably
| plausible reasons, other than not wanting to lose to Miami, for ending
| the series, but they got a lot of heat, anyway.  Imagine the heat USC 
| would get for ending one of the longest intersectional rivalries, and 
| one of the biggest games of the year, solely because they were tired 
| of losing. 

I am do not want to start up the UM & ND thread.   I just wanted to 
know what " some reasonably plausible reasons" were if it was not just
the pre-game fight.

Why was the pre-game fight between ND & Miami any different than the 
pre-game fight between ND & USC.   The ND & Miami pre-game fight was
used as the major example of why ND & Miami series had become to heated.
Didn't they both happen in the same year?  


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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:36:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.161237.13024@hou.amoco.com>
zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
> Do you have any idea what the range of your average jumbo jet is?
> everytime I fly home to Orlando, we are usually going way north or
> way south to avoid storms (and yes, tropical storms and hurricanes,
> although none this year).

I don't know the exact range of the plane they used, but I'm sure it
exceeds the distance between Birmingham and College Station by a large
margin.  However, the ability to fly around a storm is only interesting
if the destination and point of departure are relatively clear.  I've
flown commercially alot during my career, and I know the pilots don't
look forward to departing or landing in a thunderstorm.  I once spent
over 2 hours sitting at a gate in Memphis.  The ground crew wouldn't
service the plane because there was a lightning storm in the area.

By the way, you mentioned that College Station was 100+ miles inland.
Isn't Houston the nearest major airport to College Station?  Houston
was a bit closer to the hurricane action, wouldn't you agree?

> I don't buy it...  try again

The Aggies already bought it (the farm, that is).  You are welcome to
try again soon. :-)

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