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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: What is culture? (was: Brainwashied
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 06:09:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.003030.20523@news.columbia.edu>
km34@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Keith Moulton) writes:
>In article <7568@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>>Sorry, but I beg to differ. There's a lot to compare about cultures,
>>but whether one is better or worse is rarely one of them.
>	Yes, I agree.  Adopting a stance of cultural relativism is helpful

I disagree.  Consider the following statment:

(1)           "Martian culture is better than Jovian culture."

If a person picks standards according to what he considers to be "ideal"
in a society, then one can say that Martian culture is better than Jovian
culture or vice versa.

Whether it is "polite" to make such a statement is another matter altogether.

>at getting past natural biases, but... If push comes to shove, I think
>it is possible to talk about one culture being better than another, although
>it is largely academic and not particularly practical.  It also gives
>insecure folks ammunition to disparage people unlike themselves.
>...

This is a moralistic position and has nothing to do with whether assertion #1
is true by your ideals of human conduct.

Let me rephrase this:

(2)         It is wrong/not polite to say assertion #1.
(3)         Assertion #1 is not true.
(4)         Assertion #1 is true.

What Mr. Moulton is saying is assertion #2, not #3 nor #4.  Whether it
is polite (or not) to say #1 has nothing to do with whether #1 is
true.

Yes.  Some cultures are better than others.  I would consider a culture
that practices infanticide to be inferior to one where infanticide is not
practiced but which is, in every other way, equivalent.

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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Recommend History Books/Authors?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:23:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <1ir6o3INN7ga@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:
>jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>
>>I was under the impression that baseball was a post-war (dainijitaisen)
>>arrival. Certainly I can't imagine it being tolerated in the 1930s.
>>Has anyone firmer dates on this?
>
>Indeed, a few of HSs came from the colonies won the championship
>and their school names were inscribed in a monument outside
>the ballpark. It was a quite surprise for me to find out that Koushien
>High School baseball tournament is a sacred national institution that
>trenscends even a petty boundary between the mainland Japan and her
>colonies.  

NEVER use a the verb "transcends" in its active form! NEVER!
And NEVER, NEVER, NEVER call Japan "Mainland" Japan! This 
implies that you regard Korea and Taiwan as colonies TODAY.
This is wrong. I don't think you are that stupid, so please
clear it up. From now on, call Korea and Taiwan, KOREA AND
TAIWAN, don't refer to them as colonies.

>Baseball is played as an exhibition sport at Olympics since 1984.
>Japan won Gold; USA silver in LA Olympics in 1984. In 1988, USA
>won Gold; Japan silver. At Barcelona, Cuba got Gold, Taiwan won
>a silver medal and Japan had to settle for a bronze after beating
>USA. What a shame for the two countries that regard baseball as their
>respective national institution! 

No, it is not a shame. Baseball is not a national sport, it is an
international sport. I think the U.S. should be proud that one of
her cultural institutions is so popular overseas.
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From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs)
Subject: Re: Japanese pop music
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:47:27 GMT

ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk wrote:
> In article <C0MzyA.G8I@unix.amherst.edu> you write:
> >
> >	I'm interested in hearing some Japanese rock, having had my appetite
> >whetted by the magnificient Shonen Knife. Where can I order some from, and 
> 
> While I do own one of their records, I'm hesitant to use the word "magnificent".
> Endearingly cutsey maybe ( :-) 1/2 ).
> 
> >what do all you out there recommend? (Please include Western analogies so
> >that I can find music that appeals to my own tastes - i.e. say it sounds sort
> >of like Talking Heads or R.E.M. or Steely Dan or whatever.)
> >						-jesse
> 
> A good resource for investigating Japanese music is the review database
> associated with the Jpop mailing list (the brainchild of Ray Tang). Has
> >100 reviews of Japanese albums including short descriptions of the music 
> involved. It should be available via ftp from "ferkel.ucsb.edu".
	Um, I checked, but all they seemed to have were 3 files on movies and
some language stuff. Any idea what it's called?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ross-c

--

"Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple
 T.V. is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple
 On television, the drug of a nation
 Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation."
				-Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:52:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 21457, harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton
Harkcom) writes:

>   However, the Japanese were an isolated community for an
>extended
>period of time ( homogenized? :)...  This has led to a very
>culturo-centric (new word:) nation.  (I wonder what
>rationalizations
>other nations will use :)

And that extended period of time is just a twinkling of an eye
when compared to the amount of time we humans have been wandering
around on this planet; it doesn't even amount to much in the
context of recorded history.

I too find the idea of Japanese racial homogeneity hard to
swallow, particularly in view of the fact that there are so many
Koreans, "halfs", and others of non-Japanese origin lurking in
the Japanese woodpile.  And so many Japanese have told me that
they can't distinguish Japanese people from Chinese people on
physical characteristics alone...
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: wife beating
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:36:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cfIMLM_00WBO418ydh
	<C0nv1y.qo6@austin.ibm.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. Lee(I like this last name)writes:

.

  
>As people get smarter these days, they would have logged on to the system
>through a home terminal or PC with modem. You won't be able to get it
>(by using $who) when it logged on to the system.

No. I'm alway at school using these cheap Macintoshes. But, I like them
better than the ibms. The Next are nice to. This International student
from Germany is going to help me use them. I would never bring a
computer into my home.
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Recommend History Books/Authors?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:27:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


As long as I'm posting semi-history sources, how many of you
have seen or listened to _Pacific Overtures_? (Broadway musical
by Sondheim)  It deals with the American gaijin descending on
Japan.  It is also a curiosity in having men sing the women's
roles (as in Kabuki).  And if you like [A
Gedde Watanabe (since seen in U.S. movies), he has a small part.

Cathy
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs)
Subject: Re: First Love
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:08:20 GMT

Rikiya Asano (ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> Mr. Jesse Fuchs(deep combination of names) writes,
> 
> .
> 
>          	Boy, oh boy, oh boy. It is not certain, but pretty darn likely, that 
> >our naive buddy Riki thought that a bong (a device used for the smoking of
> >pot, and ranked by me as being directly behind the wheel and the portable 
> >rolling machine in measuring the worth of human civilization.) Being a 
> >resident counselor here at lovely Amherst College, I have ran into more than 
> >one freshman who made the same mistake, with hilarious results. Poor Riki...
> 
> This was not intended to be a synthetic "high' story. This  was not an
> event where drug use it popular or the thing to do. As a matter of fact
> drugs play a very low-keyed part in this. But, it's impact was nasty. I
> now count it as my responsive ability to get her off of crack. It would
> stain my honor to let this 
> weak "material" to continue to ruin a life in which I considered
> precious. I find it unproductive to get her the old "this or me"
> ultimatum. I would probably
> lose since her knew him longer. 
	Wait, who's this "him?" Uh-oh...
	Plus, I don't want her anymore. But, I
> have a plan! But school starts in a couple of days. So, I hope that
> there's time.
	Question: If they made a movie about Riki, who would play him? My
choices are either the guy who played the bandit in "Rashomon," or 
Tor Johnson. Any other suggestions?

--

"Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple
 T.V. is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple
 On television, the drug of a nation
 Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation."
				-Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: American-cu Cannabalism
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:10:11 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <lkrf0fINNgo8@tokio.cs.utexas.edu> trent@cs.utexas.edu (Scott Ross Trent) writes:
>->>>What form of cannibalism is practiced not infrequently in the USA?
>->>
>->>I believe it is the eating of the placenta after a woman has given birth.
>->
>->Bingo!  Dave wins a jumbo placentaburger with all the trimmings!
>
>Are you guys serious????

If you mean, "Does this really go on?", then the answer is yes, I'm serious.
It happens every day.  If you mean, "Does Dave really get a placentaburger?"
, then the answer is no, I'm not serious.
-- 
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          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
		  
The real difference between humanity and other animals:  birth-control pills.
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From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Re: bad idea to post pictures of Miyazawa Rie
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:52:49 GMT

Just tell me one thing: Is, or is not, Miss Miyazawa NEWS in Japan.
Is or is not Miss Miyazawa of interest to people interested in 
one of the richest stars in japan.  Get with it.  

Because I choose to share a multi media object withe SCJ netters who
dont have the 50 bucks to spare, does that offend you.  Then blow off
to some other news group.  Just because you live in Japan and are married
to a Japanese doesnt even begin to qualify you to inject Western 
protestant points of view into this forum.

As I said before.  Chill out.
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:27:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ipm9iINNhvd
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 21304, maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
writes, in regard to a discussion about Black Americans:  

>Stealing & looting from innocent shop owners
>certainly is not a good way to endear yourself to the american
>people.

>We even had adverse reactions to the verdict here, and a tiny
>university, supposedly a place of higher learning where people
>can
>examine their feelings on a subject before making some knee-jerk
>reaction, in a fairly rural area, not near the inner city.  We
>woke up
>to find "Rodney King Lives"  spray-painted onto several of the
>buildings.  This action may have expressed displeasure with the
>verdict,
>but it didn't help the situation.  In fact, all it did was to
>cause the
>grounds department to spend more $$$ to clean up the mess, and
>to cause
>


We had quite a bit of vandalism and rioting in Seattle after the
Rodney King verdict.  Most of the participants were white and
Asian, not black.

You didn't mention who did the spray-painting, but the
implication in the context of this discussion is that Blacks were
responsible.  Was that in fact the case?  Can you be reasonably
sure?

Maybe the spray painting did help the situation.  It brought the
extent of the problem to your attention.

It could have been a lot worse.  Painting graffiti on a public
building is a fairly innocuous way of expressing one's feelings,
especially when compared to the ways this society expresses its
feelings toward black people.

Speaking as a tax-paying citizen, I'd rather pay to have the
paint cleaned up than than to have to deal with civil war.

It's unfortunate that black Americans don't have that same luxury
of choice.
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Fixing My foolish mistake *smile*
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:41:27 GMT
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.


>Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:21:44 GMT

harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:


>   As far as providing 'big bikes' with small engine displacements, yes
>the Japanese manufacturers have done so (a liquid cooled 250cc bike does
>take up quite a bit more space than an less ridiculous 250cc)...  However,
>these bikes do not have the power you are suggesting.  They may have some
>power in the lower gear ranges, but in the higher gear ranges you have to
>red line them to get even a small accelleration...

As you may have noticed from an earlier post, I am in agreement with you
about the "value" of the Harleys. I would however like to sing the praise of
my last 'rice burner'. I had a Kawasaki EX500, and it was a good all around
bike, top end of 135 (yes I went through a speed trap at that speed.. story
later) 1/4 mile in 11.5 seconds (approximate) and I was able to ride 
from Delaware to Boston and back on weekends (700 miles). A really fun bike!

Charlie
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From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Orange Road TV series on LD
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:37:12 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA


I wonder where I can get Japanese anime Orange Road TV series on Laser Disc
from episode 1 - 48 with
the cheapest price. Anyone knows how to get them? How much are they?
Would it be better to ask someone who is in Japan to buy them in Japan and
ship them to me here U.S.?
 
 
Your kind reply is greatly appreciative.

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From: philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:17:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:

>In article <1ijdl0INNo0n@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> philb@cats.ucsc.edu 
>(Philip Brown) writes:

>  >ha! Sony now makes Sun clones that are 100% Sun compatible, possibly
>  >faster, and cheaper, than the original. Microsoft sucks, and Apple's
>  >stuff is mostly made in japan anyways.

>It is very doubtful that Sony can make a Sparc machine for LESS than
>Sun can make it, because Sun basically buys the cheapest parts and 
>puts them together at a huge profit.

Don't matter. They are selling them for less than SUN does.


>Another thing.  Sun purchases 50% of Sony's computer monitors.  Sony's
>own marketshare on workstations is pitiful.  It probably costs them more
>to make their own monitors than it does for the Sun monitors due to
>economies of scale.

Funny thing about Sun. Sun just BUYS most of its parts from other
companies. Right, Sun buys SONY's monitors. That's because SONY is GOOD
at making monitors :-) and surely they can supply themselves with
monitors for cheaper than SUN pays for their monitors? :->


>As for faster?  Huh? [...]
>Japanese Technology in the cpu and 16MB 
>workstation SIMMs market is behind the Americans.

Okay, okay.. maybe not faster. but the word is "clone". I dunno if they
are actually paying royalties on them. the prices suggest they aren't.

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From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs)
Subject: Re: First Love
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:22:58 GMT

Jim Breen (jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote:
> Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> > I would have given
> >her my virginity but I found her crack pipe by the toilet instead. 
> 
> The mind boggles.
	Boy, oh boy, oh boy. It is not certain, but pretty darn likely, that 
our naive buddy Riki thought that a bong (a device used for the smoking of
pot, and ranked by me as being directly behind the wheel and the portable 
rolling machine in measuring the worth of human civilization.) Being a 
resident counselor here at lovely Amherst College, I have ran into more than 
one freshman who made the same mistake, with hilarious results. Poor Riki...
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
> Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
> PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
> (fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  

--

"Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple
 T.V. is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple
 On television, the drug of a nation
 Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation."
				-Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Days of the Week in Japanese and Korean
Date: 4 Jan 1993 05:50:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

ilsa@netcom.com (Ilsa VanHook) writes:

>planet    spanish   japanese  english  norse gods
>------    -------   --------  -------  ----------
>sun       domingo   nichi     sun      
>moon      lunes     getsu     mon
>mars      martes    ka        tues     tiw
>mercury   miercoles sui       wednes   wotan or woden
>jupiter   jueves    moku      thurs    thor
>venus     viernes   kin       fri      freya or frigga
>saturn    sabado    do        satur

>Cool.  (Spanish is in there because it's the only Romance language i know at
>all.)  When was the western calendar introduced to Japan & Korea?

Definetely not from Portuguese. The Portuguese language, though
belongs to the Romance language family, has a different system
for the days of week. 

Sunday and Saturday are similar to the Spanish counterparts: domingo,
sabato whereas the days are numbered from Monday to Friday.

Monday - primeira feira (first day),
Tuesday - segunda feira (second day)
Wednesday - terzeira feira (third day)
Thursday - quarta feira (fourth day)
Friday - quinta feira (fifth day)

Caveat:My Portuguese spellings may contain errors since it
was a long time ago when I studied it.
From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Hatsu Basho (Day 1)
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:45:34 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

The best bout was undoubtedly between Terao and Takahanada. Terao charged
rapidly as usual, with tsuppari, shoving and thrusting. Takahanada countered
with the same, not managing to get to the belt. His superior strength
eventually enabled him to push his foe out by oshidashi. Konishiki used the
same technique of thrusting to push the elder Hanada out, keeping his eyes
on him and slowly but surely following him around the ring. His feet seem
to move along fine. Kotonishiki fell to Kushimaumi's favorite grip, kotenage,
where the attacker locks his opponent's arm in his elbow, and then spins
him around to the ground. A rapidly executed move that took Koto by surprise.
No surprise from Akebono, who injured his foot in training last week, but
seemed at ease. He exploded komusubi Takamisugi out in three seconds.
Musashimaru seemed to hit an open door as Akinoshima side stepped and
seized his belt, then pulling him along and on all fours. Daishoho also 
rapidly walked Tomoefuji out for his first sanyaku win.

Winner		Loser

KF		Kyokugo(zan)
Mai'U		Kgaume
DshoY		Nami'H
Kiraiho		Tatsu(hikari)
Kinazuma	Tama(kairiki)
KasugaF		KiriN
Kbeppu		Mito(izumi)
K'W		Toki(tsunada)
Ogi'H		Kita(kachidoki)
Kyokudo(zan)	T'nami
Tochi'W		Ttoriki
Toyo'U		Wshoyo
Misugi(sato)	Daizen
Dshoho		TomoeF
Aki'S		Musashi(maru)
KuSU		KN
THda		Terao
KoN		WHda
Akebono		Tmisugi

As usual : 

D : Dai ; F : Fuji ; H : Hana ; K : Koto ; N : Nishiki ; S : Shima ;
T : Taka ; U : Umi ; W : Waka ; Y : Yama ; ' : no.

The bits in (brackets) will be dropped from the next post.
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From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Gifts from America to Japan [SUMMARY]
Date: 11 Jan 1993 05:57:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <C0GD0s.L0s@jrd.dec.com> doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi) writes:
>since the price of modems are so high in Japan, if you can smuggle in
>a v32bis modem, your friends will be happy. (^_^)

Smuggle? You mean it's illegal?
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