HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:16:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

[sex-prediction chart deleted]
Works for me.  I was 27, and my son was conceived in February.
Pretty neat chart, if it's accurate.

Marian Dabay
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: usa
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1ivc63INNe39@morrow.stanford.edu>, CT.LVA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Linda Apperson) writes:
|> 
|> My mother-in-law nested for me!  We went shopping and to lunch
|> together a week before the baby was due.  I was having very mild,
|> but very regular contractions, which I thought were braxton-hicks
|> because it was early (this was my first baby), and they were so
|> unpainful.  I mentioned them to my mil, and she asked me about them
|> occasionally during the day.  Finally, when we got back to my house
|> she said, "Maybe we should wash some of those baby clothes you've
|> gotten as shower gifts and set up a changing area and the bassinet.
|>  I really think you're going to have a baby tonite!"  And I'm so
|> glad she helped me get set up, because, she was right.

I guess I was the main "nester" in our family.  Before both children
were born I went into a frenzy of painting, hanging wallpaper, building
shelves, etc.  I wasn't really nervous about the pregnancy or the
impending changes, but just wanted to get everything ready while we
still had the time.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: breast feeding
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:19:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.185625.926@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>
>I'm courious.  Folks keep saying stuff like this. It seems to be
>general "net wisdom" that:
>1. Most babies prefer a bottle to nursing given the choice.
>2. Introduction of a bottle "too early" will cause "nipple confusion"
>	(by which posters usually mean that the baby will not
>	nurse any more.)  
>3. Supplimenting formula will cause the milk supply to decrease
>	& cause the mom to eventually give up nursing though she dosen't
>	want to.
>
>I'm certainly *not* saying these aren't true for "most babies",
>but I am very interested in how many folks on the net had
>those experiences personally.  
>
>So how about it?  Anyone on the net *in their personal experience*
>find the above assumptions to be true or false?

In my experience, my first did NOT prefer the bottle; he prefered the breast.
My second absolutely refused the breast, so we had no choice but to use a
bottle.  Since he refused the breast BEFORE even seeing a bottle, I don't
see how he could have made a conscious choice, but since he didn't like
the breast at all, he HAD to like the bottle, so score me 1 and 1.

Nipple confusion did not occur with my first born.  He had his first bottle
at 1 week (only one bottle) and didn't have another until he was 4 weeks.
No problems at all.  With the second, he wasn't confused at all.  He
was just plain pig-headed!

I can't say about supplimenting, but I would guess it to be true.
I didn't use formula on my first until he was about 9 months old.
I always had enough milk for him, regardless of what else I fed
him.  But, since the system works on a supply and demand theory, I
would guess that supplimenting would indeed decrease the milk supply.
As far as a decreased milks supply making a woman want to give up
nursing, .... If a woman wants to nurse, she will do whatever it
takes to increase her supply.  If it's not that important to her
and she likes the way things are, she'l leave it be.

since my second used a bottle from about two weeks, I was able to
reduce my breast production with little problems so supplimenting
didn't effect me then, either.

Jennifer
>
>Also, I'm courious as to:
>4. Most older babies (> 6 weeks) who have been totally breastfed 
>	have no problems switching to a bottle. (See #1.)
>
>If I get responses of folks who have personal experience with
>these "wise sayings" I will summarize those. 
>
>Elise.
>elise@ticipa.mtc.ti.com
From: MA.DXS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Debbie Scheuch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Measles vaccine and passing on immunity
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:28:12 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Chris,

My daughter just had her booster for MMR yesterday and the doctor
said she may get a reaction of a temperature or a rash anytime
between the 7th and 14th day of shot.

Debbie
From: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:09:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu (Theresa Jarosz Alberti) says:

>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children too young to understand reasoning.  My son and daughter are 17
>months old and they are starting to get into behaviors I'm not sure how
>to handle.

I empathize!  I've got just *one* 19 month old, and I can imagine how
challenging *two* toddlers must be!

Something I read recently has helped me to deal with behaviors I don't
like in my daughter.  In a book called _The Simple Life_ (can't remember
author now, sorry), a woman who chose to live with the Amish people for
a while describes her experiences.  She reported that although the Amish
place a *very* high value on obedience, they don't discipline their
children at all when they're under two years old.  They recognize and
*accept* what Theresa wrote in her post - children at this age are
basically "too young to understand reasoning."  

I've tried to keep this in mind when Abigail spits out her food, and
grins, or puts her plate on her head, etc.!  Her most important task at
this age is to explore the world, and mine is to help her do that, so we
try to put as few limits on her explorations as possible.  I figure if
the Amish can be lenient with their toddlers, surely *I*, a professed
liberal mother ;-), can find it in myself to tolerate the mess-maker and
clean up the mess one more time.

My husband and I conferenced and decided on a few rules that we think
are iron-clad (e.g., no throwing food or plates or cutlery, no rocking
her highchair, no climbing onto our desks) and try to ignore the rest. 
We enforce these rules with practices similar to other misc.kids parents
- "Throwing food is not okay.  If you throw it again, we're going to
take you out of your highchair." "Okay, you threw food so we're taking
you out of your highchair."  Of course, this does suggest that if she
wants to get out of her highchair, she should throw food, so we also try
to pay attention to signs that she's getting bored and ask her a couple
of times during the meal, "Are you done?  Do you want to get out of your
highchair?" to encourage her to feel like she can end the meal *without*
throwing food!

The other thing we do is to try to provide positive alternatives to
whatever behavior we're trying to stop.  For instance, Abigail has
watched us spit many times - when we're brushing our teeth!  So when she
spits food out at the table (and obviously because it's fun, not because
it bothers her), it's hard for her to understand what the problem is. 
So we tell her that spitting at the table is *not* okay, but it *is*
okay to spit into the sink, and then we take her out of the highchair
and put her on her stool in front of the bathroom sink.  After a while,
she gets the point.

- Cindy
mother of Abigail, b. 6/3/91
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:58:56 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <y2gywB16w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes:
> > 
> > My wife's friend's one-year-old daughter has been pierced.
> 
> Well, I oppose such mutilation without consent just as I oppose circumcision
> without consent.  And I'm sure Ron does too.
> 
> > The custom appears as bizarre to me as my son's circumcision
> > presumably appears to you.
> 
> Yes.  I say let's eliminate both customs.

How? By outlawing them, and removing children from the custody of parents 
who abuse them by piercing their ears or removing their foreskins?

Sheesh! Talk about unwarranted government intervention! 

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:09:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.142901.24441@newscan.canada.sun.com> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>
>Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or
>radio) into the labour room with them to help them
>cope/relax, whatever?
>
>I am due February 20th and would like to bring in
>a tape recorder with a bunch of different stuff
>that I enjoy listening to, (this may sound weird,
>but I want to tape a bunch of Led Zep songs -the
>mellower ones! - I find Robert Plant`s voice very
>soothing for some reason).
>
>Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
>relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?
>
>Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>-Stephanie
>
> 
My LDR came with a CD player, so we brought in a stack of CDs.  Before the
labor got too hard, which was about 7 hours worth, the music was nice.  After
that we just couldn't have dealt with it!  I think for me it would have been
distracting, because I sure never asked anyone to put anything on.  The main
thing might be what you got used to when you practiced.  If you learn to
relax to certain music, then it would probably be very helpful and reassuring
during labor.  If not, it might well be a distraction. Couldn't hurt to bring
it along anyway.  We had a long period of easy labor, and between walks it
was nice to have.

Marilyn 
mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu


Xref: sparky misc.kids:31482 soc.men:22148 alt.atheism:24943 alt.sex.wizards:4216
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 20:21:38 EST
  <1993Jan4.172058.9109@ll.mit.edu><1993Jan4.192932.8442@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

-Is this really the best argument you can come up with? This is rather pathetic.
-How many kids do you know who would choose to be circumcised?
-
-I am forced to take your reply as an admission that there really is no good
-reason to continue the routine practice of infant circumcision.  On the
-contrary, it continues as a cultural/religious tradition only.  Those who
-blindly follow tradition are blinded by it.

   Perhaps the best argument is that circumcision makes sense precisely
because it makes no sense.  Many communities  have irrational customs which
others, for obvious reasons, do not want to follow.  This means that this
custom becomes a mark of membership in the community and people within
the community can recognise and identify with other members of it and
help each other.  In game theoretic terms, a coalition is formed.
Sikhs do not cut their hair and wear turbans even when it is boiling hot.
Zoroastrians leave their dead exposed to be picked at by vultures.  Etc.
etc, etc, as the King of Siam nee Yul Brynner used to say.  Don't Masons
and Elks dress up in funny clothes?  And what about the KKK with their
white sheets?  It all has the same purpose.

Just to prevent people getting mad at me, I will say that ONE of the
customs mentioned above (but only one!) does make sense.
-
-Jim Copeland

Rohit Parikh
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:33:24 GMT

In article <1ihh53INNmb0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:
>
>In a previous article, tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge) says:
>
>Funny, I can't tell you how many of my friends have had a burning desire
>to wash their kitchen floor the night before they went into labor! 
>Usually they got talked out of actually doing it, so I wouldn't
>attribute the start of labor to floor-washing, but it does make me
>wonder if there's something about imminent delivery that brings on a
>cleaning frenzy.  So, Teresa, if you get that urge to clean the floor in
>April - take heed!

Yup, this happens to a lot of women.  It seems to be a combination of
the nesting instinct they've been experiencing throughout the pregnancy,
an a burst of energy that often precedes labor.

It should be resisted, though.  You don't want to exhaust yourself
cleaning the house just in time to go into labor!  Our childbirth
teacher warned us about that.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rw9601@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Help: Breastfeeding premie
Reply-To: rw9601@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:06:39 GMT

I will forward this message to my mother for you.  My sister was
born almost 3 months early, and was in the hospital for over 2
months.  She had similar problems, and may be able to answer any
questions you have.
 
You can email me sooner if you would like her telephone number
in New York City - I'm sure she wouldn't mind talking to you.
 
Also, for what it's worth, my sister DID end up breastfeeding,
and is now a healthy, obnoxious teenager!

R. Weiss
RW9601@albnyvms.bitnet
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:15:06 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <1993Jan6.202853.18534@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:

>How do I handle bathroom trips and showers? Yeah, right, like any
>preschooler actually lets a parent go to the bathroom alone. Of
>course she follows me. And as for showers, either I wait till her
>father is home, or she plays in the bathroom outside the shower
>stall -- she likes talking to me as I shower. Sometimes she sits
>on our bed, which I can see from the shower, and reads or watches TV.
>She makes a point of staying where I can see her.

This fits in with the thread though it's a new question ...

I was impressed by the answer on dealing with Christmas trees and food
throwing.  So here's a hypothetical question -- what should you do if
are taking a shower and the toddler insists on wandering away, out of
sight?  Do you have to give in and take the shower when another parent
is there (then what if you're single?) or is there a way of
enforcing/ensuring that they stay in view?
Date: Thursday, 7 January 1993 22:16:34 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.16R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Cutting it off (was: A few facts about circumcision)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <1993Jan6.214834.17149@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
# 
# In article <765346d7228046t231@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
# >In <1993Jan2.000410.15619@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
# ># 
# ># In article <765343d3261909t221@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
# [irrelvant nonsense deleted]
# >[I said]
# ># I disagree, it comes down to a very simple principle:
# ># It is the boy's body, so it should be his choice.
# >
# >  Apply your "very simple principle" to the following (true)
# >  case:
# >
# >  We are currently faced with the decision of cutting our sons'
# >  Achilles tendons (and repairing same) to cope with idiopathic
# >  toe-walking.  Toe-walking can end up destroying their ankles,
# >  knees, and hips.  Surgery will GUARANTEE that they will always
# >  have trouble running, jumping, etc.  Behavioral changes can
# >  accomplish the same results without the harmful consequences,
# >  but so far have not worked.  Time is running out.  Casting and
# >  braces haven't helped.  Time is running out.  Do we have them
# >  cut, or not?  Do we need your permission?  Dr. Edell's?  Do
# >  we abdicate our responsibility to the superior judgment of a
# >  six-year-old?  Do we wait until they're 18?
# 
# Poor analogy.  The procedure as you describe it is necessary.  The same 
# claim can't be made for routine circumcision.

  Nice duck, but I'm not buying.  Obviously, if it were necessary
  we wouldn't have any trouble deciding.  So, apply your simple
  principle.  It's their bodies.  What do we do?

---

  Still waiting for an answer on the question of whether the
  anti-circers want to DO something or just indulge in global
  atmospheric warming.

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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--- Author (and everything else!) of TMail  (DOS mail/news shell) ---
From: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: ultrasound
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:09:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A postscript to my recent post about ultrasounds during pregnancy:

The latest issue of _Mothering_ magazine (No. 66, Spring 1993, p. 26)
notes that two recent studies looking at specific possible problems with
ultrasound (fetal malformation & dyslexia) have not found any link to
the procedure.  On the other hand, they note that "Propelled by the
swell of scientific uncertainty, the Food and Drug Administration now
advises against sonograms during pregnancy unless a woman is bleeding,
has a family history of birth defects, or has some other medical
indication for the procedure."  They cite _Science News_, 4 April 1992,
pp. 218-219.

- Cindy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:36:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.211927.23169@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>> attribute the start of labor to floor-washing, but it does make me
>> wonder if there's something about imminent delivery that brings on a
>> cleaning frenzy.  So, Teresa, if you get that urge to clean the floor in
>
>This is true, it's called "nesting" -- the sudden energy burst that some
>pregnant women get just prior to going into labor, the urge to prepare the
>nest and clean up for the newborn.  Our Lamaze instructor spoke about it,
>said to be on the lookout if suddenly "mom" is cleaning out closets or
>scrubbing floors, laudering curtains, etc etc.  Not everyone experiences
>this, but it does happen (she said it happened to her twice).  

  Well I'm one of those lazy pigs who never experiences any of these
  urges.  Much better to sit in front of the computer and read news
  or play Civilization.  Just send any "nesting moms" over to my
  place.  I've got plenty of closets to clean, floors to scrub,
  curtains to launder.  In fact, send over the mothers-in-laws that
  like to rearrange kitchen cabinets too.  My husband layered ours
  with newspapers and I'm not allowed to climb up there (too short
  and pregnant) and wouldn't bother anyway.  Can't wait until my
  m-i-l spends two weeks with us, except my husband told her not to
  do any housework.  My sister-in-law says that she can't help it
  and will probably rearrange the cabinets (goody) and clean the
  stove (double goody).
>
>Christine
>due in 12 days and waiting for the burst of cleaning frenzy energy to hit me
>

  I'll be waiting forever...  :-)

  Good luck!

  p.s. by Chinese reckoning I was born in the year of the pig so I've got
  a good excuse.

  Actually when my mother-in-law was pregnant with my husband, her water
  broke and the first thing she did was get out a mop and clean it up.
  She was so busy cleaning up the floor that she didn't get around to
  the hospital until it was almost too late.  My husband was born blue.
  So don't let the cleaning frenzy delay you from getting to the hospital!

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: ! ! ! STOLEN  BABIES  ! ! !
Keywords: baby, steal, safety, security
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:02:35 GMT


In article <1993Jan10.143727@pegasus.rice.edu>, lief@pegasus.rice.edu (Eugene Lief) writes:
> 
> Hello, people:
> 
> my wife and I are concerned with the safety of our newborn baby. Could
> anybody, please, tell if:
> 
> 1. Does it happen often that babies of few months and older are being
>    stolen for whatever reason? Baby in this age can easily forget his/her
>    parents and be illegaly adopted by anybody with the same color of skin.
> 
> 2. Has anybody heard of typical cases of stealing babies?
> 
> 3. If any cases are known what are the pattern? Do they kill parents or
>    wait for a good time to steal?
> 
> 4. What preventive measures can be taken agains stealing?
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
> 
> Very truly yours,
> 
> : Eugene Lief                       :  Phone (713)527-8750 x 2651,           :
> : Rice University, Department of    :  E-mail LIEF@SPACSUN.RICE.EDU,         :
> : Space Physics and Astronomy,      :         LIEF@ZENO.RICE.EDU .           :
> : 6100 S.Main st., Houston, TX      :  Telex 556457, FAX (713) 285-5143.     :
> : 77251-1892.                       :                                        :
> 
> 
> 
Well I don't know how often it happens but I was sufficiently concerned to 
NEVER

Leave the baby in a shopping cart or stroller just to...
Leave the baby in the car just to...
Hire any babysitters without speaking personally to several references.
Let her into the front yard unattended.
Let her go out of the house with a babysitter.


I know that this may sound like alot and it probably still could have
happened but I just believe in better safe than sorry.

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: The Chimney Song
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:35:55 GMT

In article <1660@dcsc.dla.mil> czo84228@dcsc.dla.mil (Kevin L. Wright) writes:
>There's a novelty Christmas song that starts:
>
>"There's somethin' stuck up in the chimney,
>and I don't know what it is...."

and it's been there all day long ...
>
>Who recorded it?  It's a cute song that gets trotted out on radio stations
>in my city every Christmas.

Kevin,

It's on a CD called "Twisted Christmas" full of those kinds of songs,
including "The Restroom Door Said Gentlemen"

(to the tune of God Rest Ye ...)

The restroom door said Gentlemen so I just walked inside
And when I did I knew that I'd been taken for a ride
Someone had switched the sign and I was taken by surprise
By two nuns, three old ladies, and a nurse
What could be worse?
Than two nuns, three old ladies, and a nurse.

Or something like that.
-- 
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