HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 16:57:09 GMT


In article <15935@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>:No no, it goes this way: if they don't try, they're wasting
>:their time.

>You mean us natural charmers don't stand a chance with you?

Oh well!  Natural charms, that's a whole nother story.  More
than a chance, I expect that if I ever get to Amsterdam
again, I'd make a beeline for your, ah, a beeline to
wherever you are.

<> He that will not sail until all dangers are over, will
<> never put to sea. -- Thomas Fuller
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From: yal@lingua.cltr.uq.OZ.AU (Yvette Lian)
Subject: GLB film list
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:05:01 GMT

Hi there - I'm after the GLB film list that someone compiled and posted
some time ago... I checked in the faq, but there seems to be no mention of
it.  Could someone either post it here, or email it to me please?

Thanks,
Yvette.
--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:52:45 GMT

In article <vanyel.715029696@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>>Why "queasy"?  Afraid people might think you're a girl?
>
>Maybe just because I don't like.  Tell me why I should embrace such
>behavior with open arms.  It's a facet of my personality to dislike it.

Bwhahahahahahaha!  That's a good one, did they teach you that at
milton-bradley U?  If you said it was just a facet of your personality
to dislike spics, niggers, kikes and/or homos, how good a defense
do you think that would be?  

See my other notes on gender identity where you complain about all the 
poor people with confused gender identities.  Serves them right for
trying to have one.  


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: PNW (Seattle) mini-con straw poll
Date: 04 Sep 92 05:39:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

[I posted this earlier but it hasn't appeared.  Sorry
if it gets out twice---gvr]

I have received over 20 replies to my poll to see if
there was any interest in having a mini-con in Seattle.
The weekend of October 24/25 suits more people than
the weekend of September 19/20.

It looks like there will be a mini-con on October 24/25.
Pencil it into your diaries, but don't make your travel plans
just yet, please.

I heard from the following (who expressed varying degrees
of interest and probabilities of actually being here):

Seattle Locals: George Reilly, Frank Maloney + Lyndol Pullen,
David Kerlick, Pete Lombard, Julia Haviland, Tsilke Pearlman + Krys,
and Elf Sternberg.

Visitors: Nelson Minar, Howard Solomon, Laura Halliday,
Mark Morrissey, Bob Richardson, Joy Ralph, Alan Batie, Ry Schwark,
Ellen Seebacher, Cliff Winnig, David Parsons, Iseult White, and
Chris Black.

Plus a handful of others who didn't give me permission
to use their names.

Anybody else who's interested, please contact me.

More next week after I get back from New York/New Jersey and
after I talk to the other Seattleites.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:12:27 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug24.010207.26812@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>People who are told they look considerably younger than
>their chronological age usually don't; that is, not
>completely.

As far as I am aware, this is the first instance when it
would actually make sense to respond: I resemble that
remark!


>Instead, the judge is confronted with a collection of
>attributes which don't completely jibe.  Rude people might
>well ask.

Around here, the most common thing is a 25-year-old man
who's still wearing a 1980 hair style.  (An instance of
not jibing.)

>You probably look like an unusually decrepid 

(as opposed to intrepit?)

>25 year old or a very youthful 39 year old.  If you're 25,
>it's an insult; if you're 39, it's something to be grateful
>for, I suppose.

Well, *I* would be!

>As for me, 39 doesn't sound very old, and I usually find 39
>year olds who look their age much more attractive than 25
>year olds.  On average.  I've been known to make exceptions.

You're not fooling me, you lecherous person.  You're just
plain covering all the bases.  (A wise plan, of course.)


<> Equal rights are not special rights.  There is no such thing
<> as a "homosexual" cause above and beyond obtaining equal
<> rights and regards without concern for a person's sexual
<> orientation.  Thinking otherwise is sheer homophobia.
<> -- Elf Sternberg (elf@halcyon.com)
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From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:13:44 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Sep2.211252.3086@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> In article <2aa505ba@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John
> Fisher) writes:
> 
> >Soon every queer in the *world* will know who I am, and bars
> >will fall silent when I enter.
> 
> They already do.

No, they don't.  When I go into the Duck in Edinburgh, I
have to *shriek* to make myself heard.  People just
completely disregard me.  I feel their eyes skim lightly and
blankly over my face and come to rest elsewhere. 

No longer!  There will be instead a sharp quiver of
apprehension, then silence.  Eyes will dart surreptitiously
in my direction.  A path through the crowd will open as if
by magic. 

I shall be gracious about it, of course.  People will notice
that, too. 

--John
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Missing Articles?
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:23:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I'm just being paranoid, but...

I posted a piece about Sarah McClendon's charges of a cover-up of
White House staffers suffering from AIDS, which drew a few
follow-ups.  None of these articles ever showed up in the news
spools of two other sites checked, yet all three are rock-solid
Internet sites that rarely drop articles.  Other soc.motss and
alt.activism traffic was normal.

Sure, articles go missing all the time, but not usually in such a
discrete pattern.  Hmmm.
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:15:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: usa
Organization: llnl

In article <vanyel.714957011@camelot>, vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan
Williams) wrote:
> 
> Whoah, Melinda!  I thought the whole "no female pronouns" thing applied to
> men referring to *each other* with said pronouns.

That's not what he (Orr) said.

He said:
------------
In fact, we have a group in Grand Rapids that is supportive in nature
for gays in their teens.  One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.
------------

Notice: not "men/boys/males cannot refer to each other using feminine
pronouns";
"*YOU*" cannot etc., etc., etc. So unless the group excludes
women/girls/females entirely, or unless women/girls/females are required to
call each other "he", the statement is wrong on the face of it, presumably
because the author is denying the existance of women.

Clear?

>  ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu


TDO
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Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
Bujold, _Barrayar_
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Insults
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:27:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.




/   Most gay ritual insults occur within exclusively gay settings.
/   The presence of rivals of long standing or of regular targets
/   accounts for many exchanges.  New persons may become targets
/   by breaching the expected order of the situation -- especially
/   if they are unaware of what that expected order is.  "Tourists"
/   or persons wandering into gay settings by accident are especially
/   likely to be the victim of displays of wit and/or outrageous
/   behavior...displays for which they are rarely prepared with
/   adequate retorts....Against bypassers, "tourists," and "fagbashers," 
/   tongues sharpened on peers cut loose on "straights"....Such 
/   "play" is, quite literally, "self-defense."  Although many
/   denigrations stem from, and perpetuate, collective self-hatred,
/   at least some undermine the oppressive cognitive structure, 
/   attacking those who deny the group.

/(adolphso)
/I'm glad we've refrained from perpetuating "collective self-hatred"
/in our dealings with Sargon the Butch.  


How ironic.  You perpetuated "collective self-hatred" like a rapidly 
growing fungus rot, and you're so clueless that you don't even realize it.

Arne, you're a gem.  I think I like watching your wheels spin in the
mud even more that watching anderson try to square a round hole.
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The liberal media
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:26:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug30.232620.11258
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I don't know if this was deliberate or not, but there was an amusing
bit of layout in today's Oregonian, on the front page and page 4 of
the "Metro" section.

There are two different front page stories. One is about people who
are supporters of the OCA and ballot measure 9, and how Christian and
dedicated they are (spin - basically neutral, although to anyone
non-Christian they must sound like fanatics. "The bible says
homosexuality is wrong, so we have to go on this crusade.") The other
story was about Randy Weaver, a man who is holed up in Idaho with his
family and a lot of guns trying to fight off federal troops who want
to arrest him.

Both of these stories appeared on the front page, and the
continuations both appeared on page 4.

The headlines:
  "Measure 9 supporters fervently committed to cause"
  "Weaver's religious beliefs motivate him to defy government"

The cute one sentence summaries:
  "Backers believe they are on a crusade, doing God's will and
   protecting the nation"

  "The man behind the barricade on a Northern Idaho mountaintop
   believes he is following an edict from God"

It's a wonderful parallel - the OCA, and some survivalist fanatic who
is trying to kill federal marshals. Both religiously motivated.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   Delicious & Nutritious breakfast cereals shot from guns!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Date: 03 Sep 92 20:16:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep1.131634.27601@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
[deletions]
>
>Frank, get over it.  Leave your high school baggage back in high school.
>

Actually, I still have my grade school baggage, well,
luggage, really. This really big two suiter from Samsonite.
With part of my monogram (FRM). One of the locks is starting
to weaken but the outside is barely scuffed after nearly 40
years. I also have an even old leather case is starting to
look a tad ratty, but what wonderful memories!

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Date: 02 Sep 92 00:54:46 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/(markm)
/Assimilationism  [blah, blah, blah]

/Translation: go away, phobe-wanna-be.

Cute.  But you're the seventh queen to pull that material on me.
What do you folks do, get together and rehearse the lines in group
sessions, or what?



(markm)
/You are a True Idjit (pat. pend.).  I think it is about time to refer
/to said True Idjit as B*b (or is that B**b) S*rv*r.


Wow.  

That hurt.  

Substituting the vowels in my name for asterisks.
Next time I'll know better than to say anything to YOU, that's for
sure.  I've certainly learned MY lesson.




(markm)
/You are a truly disgusting individual, Sarver.  Do us all a favor and
/buy a life, I doubt if you will ever create one for yourself.

You are a truly disgusting individual, Morrissey.  Consider exile;
it is an honorable option for those who have nothing to contribute
to life in a group of people.



/(markm)
/And as long as we are on sound bites...  My three year old niece has a
/better grasp of individualism and the need to embracing diversity when she
/says "Why do people hide who they are?  It can't be very much fun.".

Glad to see you found someone with which to converse at your own level.
Pray that she doesn't outgrow you by next year.



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Sept. 5, Motss Dinner, NYC
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:30:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.230720.26608@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Fie on Ry!  You obviously forgot your product's real-time scheduling
>priorities.

Silly bear! this is soc.motss, everything's a relative priority.  We
abhor absolutes.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:43:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep1.174337.11384
Organization: insert anything here

elliott@leda.princeton.edu (Frank W. Elliott) writes:

>
>But, Melinda, you`re top lesbian in the cabal.  Or, given some of your
>posts about Bob, was that lesbian top? ;-)

	And I'm top bearcub... or bear depending on how Arnold 
self-identifies...



	And I *must* say it is an interesting sensation to be topped by
Nelson.....  :-)


	Of course Jess is THE TOP, no doubt because of his e-virility.o
Were that B.S. anywhere near as virile....

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: Re: Insults
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:30:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.235505.9336@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>What a maroon (as usual.)

Steve, as a . . . well, not quite graduate, but at least long-time student of
the University of Chicago, I must protest your continued use of our school's
nickname as an insult.  The Maroon of Chicago are a proud bunch, and we blush
(something between a dark reddish brown and a deep purplish red) to see our
beloved Color used in such a manner.  This practice must *cease immediately*,
you, you cardinal!
---
-Wendy T., friend of Jimmy
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: more kind words of compassion from an evangalist...
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:52:31 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Aug26.202231.7027@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca
(Ken Dykes) writes:
>
>Taken from "The Globe And Mail" newspaper, Toronto, Wednesday, August 26, 1992
>  ...Feminism: is described in a fund-raising letter by U.S. evangelist
>               Pat Robertson as "a socialist, anti-family political movement
>               that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their
>               children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
>               become lesbians."

	Gosh, that sounds fun!

	Now I *do* wish I was a woman, after all!

	I can satisfy right-wing paranoia and masc. guys(tm)
	stereotypes all in one fell swoop!  What nylons and
	high-heels never accomplished, Robertson has finally
	done for me.

	I'm only sorry that I can't join.  :-(

	-R (with a grin
	    ... make that half a grin)


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:05:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep1.042746.12576@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <65039@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Perhaps something other than dim sum could be arranged, so as not
>>to impinge too deeply on Brian's "turf."  ;-) 
>
>The fact that you despise Chinese food has nothing to do with it, George, eh?

Ugh. I'm with George on that opinion. Sorry, but that jellyfish stuff spooked
me for a week.

>I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly sammiches
>AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)

I'll check the SF Board of Education and see what the schools have on the
menu that week.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 16:16:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 exus.WA.COM> <1992Aug28.132237.2904@macc.w
  <1992Aug29.061902.16793@nwnexus.WA.COM> <thaaang.715114662@cwis>

John Dorrance grains on our nerves with:
>elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
>>   *Shiver* Stop it, Rye!  You're giving me chills!
>
>Wow! I've been waiting a whole wheat for someone to call him that!

I barley believe you said that! Of course, I corn hardly think
of anyone else who would have the oats to do so.

[Furr, shamed that he couldn't think of a way to work "triticale"
 into this..... ;-{)##]
 
() The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say
() you cannot do.
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Jeans (was Re: Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:49:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.001314.7036@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> Makes me look like a pervert at the
> stall, though.. :-)

Truth in advertising, eh? :-)
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:58:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.




(me)
> The idea was to get Arne to realize that people count the costs 
> of their actions, and sometimes the costs are deemed too high.  


(adolphso)
/Not coming out is an act of cowardice.  If someone decides 
/he or she would rather remain in the closet than come out
/*as difficult as coming out may seem to be*, it's that person's
/(cowardly) decision.  

A decision upon which you, of course, will not pass judgement
in any way, right?

What a fucking whiner.  You *pretend8 to believe that such things
are a personal choice, while simultaneously calling it an act of
cowardice. You see nothing wrong with that, I suppose.

But when I call flamboyant activity counter-productive, you
get your curlers all in a fit.

Hypocrisy smells; Arne, you stink to high heaven.




/I'm not about to change who I am one
/whit for the Ungay gay/straight-acting/no fats/no fems crowd.

Or for the crowd that appreciates comedy, either.



(adolphso)
/Now why don't you just go away.

Ah, there it is again.  "Mommy, make him go away.  He's ruining our
tea party".
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ending the military band
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:17:28 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>wood@siemens.com.  (Jim Wood) writes:

>>From one pianist to another pianist, how about a little
>>sax?  :-)

>Those pianists, they're always playing on the cracks!  But
>to continue this trilling little roman a clef, I think it's
>a pretty sharp tune these punsters are singing, a Mary band
>indeed (well, maybe we should soft-pedal Mary, lest someone
>Sousa).  One of my favorite features in a sax score is the
>repeat signs; I mean, they're flat-out something to get
>keyed up about, ya know.  Just be sure to remember da capo,
>n'est-ce pas?

Feeling horny, Jess? :-)

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Anyone know what Budapest is like for queers?
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:29:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug29.182903.27118
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I might have the opportunity to spend my spring semester studying in
Budapest, Hungary (there's an undergraduate math program for American
students there). I know some of what Budapest is like in general, and
I know what the school is like.

What I have no idea about is what it is like to be gay in Budapest.
Does anyone know?

also, does anyone know if there is *any* net access at all, even a
UUCP, in Hungary? There's got to be something, but I've never seen it.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                      When you expect whistles, it's flutes
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:34:42 GMT


In a previous article, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) says:

>In article <1992Aug20.132040.11756@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>
>>Remember earlier this year, when the group who protests against killing of 
>>little animals for fur coats by throwing paint on fur coats started doing
>>the same to leather outfits?
>>
>>Can they say "By-product"?
>
>I don't know.  Can they?  What's the evidence that leather is really a
>"by-product" of the existing meat industry, rather than an economic
>goal in itself?  Seems to me even if the meat industry wasn't too
>strong, there would be reason for people to produce leather.
>
>You could use the same reasoning to defend the meat industry, on the
>basis that meat is a by-product of leather production.
>

The point is, in fact, that leather is a by-product of the meat
industry.

Now, I don't agree with the killing of small, fuzzy animals expressly for
the use of their pelts in the fur industry, nor do I agree with the 
killing of cows for the use of their meat. (unfortunatly my resolve does
not extend to chicken or fish, as of yet...)

My point was, this group has taken their distaste with one idea, and
extended it to an unrelated second idea.


>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
>\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
>
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