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From: peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: Controversial organizations? (Re: Advice from a hiring manager on resumes
Keywords: Advice
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:18:57 GMT

reidyj@mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:

>  Eagle Scouts is a good thing if you're trying to get a job in scouting,
>  but what does it have to do with yor ability to design?  Not much.

Scouting (I was a Life Scout) demonstrates your ability to expend a
lot of effort towards a goal that seems pointless but which other
people value; this ability is highly prized by employers. [1/2 :-)]

>  Get rid of Mensa!!! They have a rep of making sure everyone knows they 
>  are members and of being intellectual snobs.  I went to a meeting a couple
>  of times and all everyone wanted to talk about was how smart they were.

I second the motion - it certainly wouldn't carry a positive
connotation with me if I were reading the resume. Funny, I never saw
any mention of Mensa when I was at MIT; I think it says something
about them.

				Peter Desnoyers
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From: reidyj@mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: The question of Experience
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:59:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1gtl3rINNelg
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: mundania.cs.orst.edu

In article <1992Dec17.004633.3189@madnix.uucp> zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean) writes:
>>>     I'll start off right away by asking my question.  Can someone like me
>>> get a job without a college degree, but with little corporate experience?
>>

  Remember when some tractor we put on Mars couldn't retract its arm?  Well,
  the company who built the thing called my brother to fix the code, talk to
  the thing from earth and get the whoptillion dollar truck working again
  across a million miles of space.


  On the other hand, he is proscribed from working on a departmen of defense
  related inventory program because he doesn't have a degree in computer
  science.

  Paper is more inportant in many areas than experience.  We are so degree
  oriented we are missing out on a lot of talented people who started in this
  software game before a lot of us were born.  You may have heard of some of
  them... Turing (math), Wozniak(no degree), the head of MIcrosoft(again, no
  degree)... the list goes on and on.
  
  Anyway, if you've got industry experience, get your degree.  If there's a
  diploma mill in your town, enroll there.  In California, there's National 
  University.  It's for people who have lots of experience but need a degree
  to show their boss.  Most states have schools like ;that...
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Discrimination (Was: Resume or just cover letter?)
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.180129.24047@sierra.com>, dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary) writes:
=)In article <1992Dec2.083451.2298@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com writes:
=)>In article <1992Dec1.182700.21843@PA.dec.com>, klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee) writes:
=)>=)Definately do not send photos of yourself (except for modeling or
=)>=)acting jobs).  Photos only encourage stereotyping and racial
=)>=)discrimination, so many employers automatically pitch all resumes with
=)>=)photos attached.
=)>=)
=)>Actually, I have seen cases where minority status would be an advantage
=)>in job seeking.  My wife is Hispanic, and takes care to point it out on
=)>employment applications for this reason.  This probably works best when
=)
=)  Actually, discrimination is not defined in terms of minorities.  Anyone
=)can be discriminated against, whether they are black, white, belong to a
=)minority, majority or whatever.  When I graduated as a mechanical engineer
=)in 1984, we had 2 blacks and a handful of women, along with hundreds of
=)white males.  The blacks and women were being innundated with *job offers*,
=)while most of us white males were just trying to get our first *plant trip*.
=)
I wasn't trying to make a moral judgement here.  I'm also a white male, and
while I don't think I've suffered from reverse discrimination, I've seen it
in action.  All I was saying is that the situation may favor certain people
over others, and assuming your goal is to get the job, it is reasonable to
take advantage of whatever edge you can get.  There's plenty of unfairness
to be spread around--if you were offered the job of your dreams, which you
were eminently qualified for and dedicated to, but you were chosen over
others because your dad knew the president of the company, would you turn
it down in the interest of fairness to the other applicants?
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rem@public.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Help-me-find-a-job DEAL
Date: 13 Dec 92 07:26:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

<<I am making a proposition to anybody who can land me a descent
engineering job at a descent corporation, I will offer some money.>>

Why would you want a job that is going downhill, in a corporation that
is itself going downhill?

<<Descent in this case could mean entry level, as long as an electrical
engineering job.>>

It's hard to go downhill from an entry level position.

Me, I'd prefer a decent job at a decent company.
From: reidyj@mundania.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Starting salary for new grads in NY?
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:50:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1gtkjsINNeke
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: mundania.cs.orst.edu

In article <1992Dec18.060530.3034@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
>What is the standard starting salary for new grads (B.S.) in CS in NYC area?
>
  When I was doing some work on Long Island, I saw ads for pizza delivery
  drivers paying $15 per hour.
  
  Is good code or hot food more inportant??
From: kdq@quest.UUCP (Kevin D. Quitt)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Failing drug tests
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 10:21:17 PST
Reply-To: srhqla!quest!kdq
Organization: Job quest  (805) 251-8210,  So Cal: (800) 400-8210

> markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) writes:
> >Isn't this an urban legend? The so-called 'poppy' seed on buns, muffins,
> >etc. is not in any way related to the drug-producing poppy plant.

    Nope, they're closely related.  As are California poppies.  And
while a poppy-seed bagel may not be enough to get you in trouble, a
piece of poppy-seed humentash or streudel would certainly be (they
contain 1 to 2 cubic inches of poppy seeds).




 _
Kevin D. Quitt      96.37% of all statistics are made up.     srhqla!quest!kdq
From: sobi0268@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Kevin V. Sobilo)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Student Seeks Summer Employment
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:31:39 GMT
Organization: Math / CS, State Univ. of N. Y. College at Fredonia
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


     I am a junior at the State University of New York at Fredonia
majoring in Computer Science.  I am looking for summer employment
that would give me some experience in any area of computer science.
     You can find my resume below.  If you feel I have the necessary
skills you are looking for or know of such a position please email me.
Thank you for all your help.



					Kevin V. Sobilo
				sobi0268@mary.cs.fredonia.edu




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                             KEVIN V. SOBILO
                            



730 Washington Ave.                                     Home (716) 366-8237
Dunkirk, New York 14048
Internet Address: sobi0268@mary.cs.fredonia.edu


OBJECTIVE:               To find a challenging CO-OP position as a 
                         software engineer programming in C or C++ 
                         hopefully for the spring, or preferably the
                         summer of 1993.


EDUCATION:
   1990-Present          Enrolled at the State University of New York
                         at Fredonia gaining credit toward a degree
                         in Computer Science.


WORK EXPERIENCE:
   1989-1992             Computer Operator, Brooks Memorial Hospital,
                         Dunkirk, NY 14048.


TECHNICAL SKILLS:        Hardware: Sun Sparc, Sun Server, VAX, PDP11,
                         IBM, and Amiga. 

                         Operating Systems: VMS, MS-DOS, Berkeley UNIX,
                         SunOS, Amiga-DOS, X11, RT11, and Solaris.

                         Computer Languages:  C, C++, PASCAL, Prolog,
                         Assembly Language , LISP, SQL, and 4th
                         Generation Language.

                         Technologies: Relational Databases including
                         INGRES and Pbase, Hierarchial Databases 
                         including DLI, and Object Oriented Programming.


REFERENCES:              Will furnish upon request.
From: merkur@modul.bioch.nsk.su (Igor Merkuryev)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Consulting in Russia
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 10:40:47 +0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Institute of Bioorganic Chemistry SD AS USSR
Reply-To: merkur@modul.bioch.nsk.su


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: philpot@kepler.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Philpot)
Subject: Research Triangle Park, N.C. information
Keywords: RTP, NC
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:38:11 GMT

In the recent thread about jobs in Research Triangle Park, N.C.,
someone posted an address where one could write for information about
all (most) the Park employers.  I think it was perhaps equivalent to a
chamber of commerce.  In any case, this message has expired on our
system.  Can someone forward this message to me, as a recently
graduating friend is interested in relocating to that area?  Thanks.

Andrew Philpot // Sterling Software // NASA Ames

philpot@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: Failing drug tests
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:52:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.201736.14105@sierra.com>, dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary) writes:
=)  Evidently it is now in vogue to test, (and subsequently terminate) any
=)employee who tests positive for *legal* (prescription) drugs (including 
=)over-the-counter inhalents) if the employee has not had such medication
=)prescribed.
=)
=)  In addition, such things as searches of your person/vehicle/home are also 
=)becoming popular.
=)
I find this, well, not real hard to believe, but rather a large incremental
step in the gradual erosion of individual rights.  Do you have examples,
documentation, names, dates, etcetera?
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: oleary@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Controversial organizations? (Re: Advice from a hiring manager on resumes
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:51:17 GMT

In article <241@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
 
>Let me tell you, David.  First of all, since the scouts have reiterated
>their ban on Gays being in the Scouts, if your potential employer
>was gay, or a gay sympathizer, he/she would be offended at your
>membership in such an association.
 
Would you also reject applicants who have graduated from colleges that
have ROTC programs (because of the military ban on gays)?  David may
actively be fighting the discrimination from within the Scouts, where
his views, as a member, would hold more weight.  Unless you talk to him
about it, you'll never know.
 
>Secondly, being a member of Mensa is a blatant negative for those
>who don't know you, because everyone will think you are a "smartass".
>A potential employer will not want to hire anyone who he thinks may
>be smarter than he is.
>Thirdly, by also including academic recognition such as National
>Merit Scholar, you are reiterating the fact that you are a "brain"
>and that you are probably smarter than the one who is interviewing
>you.
>       Definitely lose these from your resume.
 
Yeah, we sure wouldn't want a capable employee, would we?  To reject an
applicant *because* they are smart?  I can't imagine a company surviving
with that attitude.  Is including Mensa or NMS on a resume that much
different than listing that you got your degree from MIT?


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From: rand@muttley.ucsd.edu (Rand Steiger)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,us.jobs.misc,comp.sys.sgi.graphics,rec.arts.animation
Subject: Job at CalArts
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:34:27 GMT
Organization: Department of Music, UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: muttley.ucsd.edu

Posting this for a friend. Please respond as indicated below. Please do not 
send me email.


POSITION AVAILABLE
COMPUTER TECHNICIAN
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF THE ARTS
SCHOOL  OF FILM/VIDEO

This  Experimental and Character Animation position is a full-time joint
position responsible for system management, hardware, maintenance of computers,
(SGI, IBM, and SUN), and film/video hard copy output devices in two separate
computer labs.

The work of these labs is centered around the production and recording of a
wide
range of professional quality art and animation in one of the most innovative
art instruction environments in the world.

This twelve month, five day a week technical staff position is under the
supervision of the faculty members acting as the directors of the "Computer
Animation Lab" and the "Character Animation Lab".

REQUIREMENTS

This person must be fluent in UNIX, shell scripting, MS DOS, and RCS
programming.  Understanding  of and experience in System administration is a
requirement.

Computer hardware repair, maintenance, and development as well as basic
electrical capabilities and hard wire cabling systems are key elements of this
position.

Network development and maintenance knowledge is crucial to this position.

Needs to be able to work closely with supervisors and when necessary act on
her/his own initiative.

Ability to work well with others in an art environment and strong communication
skills are important.

Salary range:  mid to high 20Us depending upon level of experience.

Deadline for submission of resumes is December 31, 1992.

Send resumes to:

Myron Emery
Acting Dean
School of Film/Video
24700 McBean Parkway
Valencia, California  91355

California Institute of the Arts is an Equal Opportunity Employer.
From: toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: BROADENING  CS AND GRADUATE'S CAPABILITIES FOR EFFECTIVE IS WORK
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:30:35 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

> (378 lines deleted)

Since I read academibabble, I'll roughly translate:

  "We've got to find a way to stop graduating so many CompSci geeks."

I couldn't agree more.  But if useability is so crucial, let's start by
setting a good example -- let's write the argument for it in clear, readable
English instead of CACM academi-speak.

Or, as Safire puts it... eschew obfuscation.

--
Tony Shepps toad@cellar.org
Preferred address: toad%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
Public access and thoughtful conversation:  The Cellar BBS  +1 215 539 3043 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean)
Subject: Re: The question of Experience
Summary: College: now vs later 
Keywords: college job entry cs sysadm
Organization: ARP Software
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:46:33 GMT

mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
 
>pmueller@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (The Highlander) writes:
>>     I'll start off right away by asking my question.  Can someone like me
>> get a job without a college degree, but with little corporate experience?
>
>The short answer: Yes, but no.  Yes you can get a job, but no, you probably
>won't be able to find the kind you want, at least not without a lot more
>corporate experience.  Thus, you'll probably find that you spend as much
>time in "junk" jobs acquiring that experience as you would in college.
>In general, college is a much better investment.
 
>>     So, here I am stuck with failing grades, and little hope of staying in
>> college.  I will admit that part of my problem is a priority conflict.  I
>> hold a paying job over my education.  And it is true also that I tend to
>> spend too much time on the computer, teaching myself, when I should be
>> studying Philosophy, or Physics.  Yet, this is me, and I can't change that.
 
   There's no law that says you can't go to college later. You'll
make less money until then, but you may be happier in the long
run. If your experience is anything like mine, it's pretty hard
to make schooling your top priority when you've been doing it
nonstop for 12 years. Take a couple of years off, get a real
life, and then give college another try.
 
   Like many people, I went through four years of college
straight out of high school, but I am convinced that I would have
been happier (and gotten better grades) if I had taken a couple
of years off in between. If your site gets soc.college (mine
doesn't), you might get some other ideas there.
 
==================
zaphod@madnix.UUCP (Ron Bean)
uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!zaphod

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: roth@feline.cs.wisc.edu (Bill Roth)
Subject: Where can I get cost-of-living data?
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:28:43 GMT

I would like to know where I can data on the relative cost of living
differences in major cities around the country. I would like to know,
with some degree of accuracy, either statistical or scientifical,
what the cost-of-living differences between Madison, WI and Austin, TX
are.

Does anyone know where I can get this kind of data?

Thanks.
-- 

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From: paradis@sousa.tay.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Objectives
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:15:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Richard Ottolini (stgprao@st.unocal.COM) wrote:

: I don't read (and don't hire) resumes without objectives.  It helps to sort
: out resumes keept on file or received for multiple job openings.

Awright...  how'z this?

	Objective:  A job. ANY job.  PLEASE!! (*whimper*)


-- 
Jim Paradis (paradis@sousa.tay.dec.com) 
I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked at once!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Subject: Re: Where can I get cost-of-living data?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:08:26 GMT

roth@feline.cs.wisc.edu (Bill Roth) writes:

>I would like to know where I can data on the relative cost of living
>differences in major cities around the country. I would like to know,
>with some degree of accuracy, either statistical or scientifical,
>what the cost-of-living differences between Madison, WI and Austin, TX
>are.

>Does anyone know where I can get this kind of data?

The Chamber of Commerce is a good place to start.  Your local library will
have a book with all the addresses for Chambers of most cities, write a letter
stating that you are potentially going to move there and would like some info
of cost of living, average salaries, population demographics, etc.  You usualy
will get a nice little packet from the city with all that info, sometimes with
employer lists, major manufacturers, city maps...etc  (you also get put
on mailing lists that local solicitors will get and mail you junk, like
a 'free atlas with insurance quote...'.

Chad

>Thanks.
>-- 

>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bill Roth, University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept.
>Internet: roth@cs.wisc.edu. BITNET: ROTH@WISCPSL. HEPNET: PSL::ROTH

--

Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University
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From: dlhpfm.uucp!tes!sam@ab.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,cle.jobs
Subject: Field Service Engineers Various locations (Agent)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 04:41:11 EST
Organization: Technical Employment Services, Inc.

The following positions are available for FIELD SERVICE ENGINEERS
in the geographical areas listed:

          
     Los Angeles/Orange County CA                 FSE - X Ray
     
     Orange County CA                             FSE, Siemens CT
                                                  Siemens Training 
                                                  Min 2 yrs exp
     
     Oakland CA & Sacramento CA                   Picker CT, MRI +
     
     Southern CA                                  GE - Siemens
     
     Detroit, MI                                  Siemens CT

Interested parties please respond with resume, salary history, etc.
to
Sam Sheterom, TES, Inc.  31601 Vine Street Willowick, Ohio  44095
Phone (216) 585-0200  FAX (216) 585-7327 or the above net address.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc