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From: bblank@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Bryan S. Blank(FIRN))
Subject: Anybody want to loan their BetaCD
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 02:07:39 GMT


	Does anybody mind parting with their CD for a while?  IBM is
backed up for 2-3 weeks, and I need the CD quick.  I am going to send my
check to IBM, and strongly discourage piracy, but in the meantime, can I
borrow someone's?  This would really help me out, and I promise to return
it.  Thanks!
						--Bryan

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From: fearick@physci.uct.ac.za (Roger Fearick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT'S GATES PREPARES FOR THE NT PLUNGE
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:09:59 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, University of Cape Town

In article <9301261807.AA04630@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> reisert@mast.enet.dec.com (Alpha Personal Systems -- DTN 223-5747 -- MLO3-6/B8) writes:
>============================================================================
>SUBJECT:  MICROSOFT'S GATES PREPARES FOR THE NT PLUNGE
>SOURCE:   ZiffWire via First! by INDIVIDUAL, Inc.
>DATE:     January 15, 1993
>INDEX:    [9]
>- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	[much deleted...]

>  GATES: Just because you put a common shell on top of a bunch of things --
>Workplace is the name of a shell. It's not the name of an operating system.
>... That's called a dead end.

... but Windows, *that's* called an operating system ...


Roger Fearick                 *  Internet: fearick@physci.uct.ac.za
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: amcandel@eos.ncsu.edu (Alex Candelaria)
Subject: Re: MMPM/2 and SB
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:51:11 GMT

	From what I know about the PAS-16, can't you set the PAS and SB IRQ 
to be the same as long as you don't try and access both parts of the board
at the same time?  I remember reading that in the PAS-16 user's guide, I think...


					Alex
					amcandel
					candel in the morning
From: sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Desktop folders changing identities
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:16:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61442.student.cwru.edu

Somehow, my startup folder has convinced itself that it is a desktop - the 
pop-up for it lists "Shut down" as an option. The object appears to be 
pointing correctly at the startup directory, but I can't get rid of it and 
for that matter am a bit leery about just booting from disk and frying it 
manually. 

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

-Steve

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From: fp@Rischwa.Han.De (Friedhelm Poschadel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is OS/2 a dead end?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:33:41 GMT
Organization: Rischwa, Hannover, Germany

In article <1993Jan22.222421.4974@spcvxb.spc.edu> writes:
[...]
>> shutdown, it takes upwards of 5 to 30 minutes depending on your hard drive
>> size and configuration.  
>
>Are you kidding? 5 to 30 minutes?! Are you sure your computer is plugged in?
>If that were true, there wouldn't be anyone here to talk to. Where did you
>get this gem from? Redmond?

When my System does a ChkDsk on bootup it will take 5 to 10 minutes
too. It seems that this will be happen when you have a lot of files on
you disk. On my OS/2 partition are about 21,000 files (OS/2 System and
UUCP News-System...).


        Friedhelm
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From: mjn@sbmiclr.cs.sunysb.edu (The Sixth Replicant)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Questions: HPFS/Paradise
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:16:53 GMT
Organization: Tyrell Corp.

In article <1993Jan25.223615.21403@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <0096723F.3B730C20@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>A few questions, these may be FAQs, if so, put me in my rightful place...
>>1. What's the deal with the Western Digital drivers with my 1B card?
>>Will SuperVGA still be a dream for me with the proper release of 2.1, or 
>>am I going to have to live with 16 colors until I get a new video card?
>>Will there be a fix or special drivers on Hobbes?
>
>OS/2 2.1 will include 256 color drivers for all modes (640x480,
>800x600, and 1024x768) for most SuperVGA adapters, including Western
>Digital.  (Notable exception: S3-based adapters, unless something
>changes.)  So, no, you won't have to go fishing for a driver.  The
>drivers will support seamless Windows, in fact.

I think the poster may be referring to the fact that the 2.1b Western
Digital (at least 640x480x256 512K) drivers don't work with the PVGA1B. The
docs only mention PVGA1A boards. I, too, am wondering if these will work in
the final 2.1 release.

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From: harvey@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Which SCSI adapter ?
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:30:11 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Which SCSI (or SCSI 2) card is best for use with OS/2, with a view to a CDROM
and a couple of disk drives. How much do these options cost.

Thanks for any replys

Mark Harvey
From: pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: MMPM/2 and SB
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:44:55 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <C1AzKJ.E9@brunel.ac.uk> me90plb@brunel.ac.uk (Paul L Barnfather) writes:

>Pat Gleason (pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM) wrote:
>: In <1993Jan20.095750.25675@unlv.edu> slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos) writes:

>: >out is that when they said that I needed the 2.0 DSP to get *full*
>: >functionality, I assume that they mean that without the 2.0 DSP I can
>: >get *some* functionality (which I can't).

>: I am glad to see someone else read that paragraph the same way I did.

>Well I've got a soundblaster 2.0 with version 2.01 DSP, and I can't get
>MMPM/2 to work either. I don't see any error messages (or anything) when (if)
>the device driver loads, but when I try to play a .WAV file, I get the 
>message that 'Digitised Sound channel could not be opened, contact IBM etc..'

Sorry, no ideas. At least the device driver loads for you (it doesn't
for me). Some guy from IBM told me on Compu$serv that he has a SB 1.0
(which is what I have) and that MMPM/2 will work with the current 
drivers on the Creative Labs BBS. I found some drivers dated mid-Dec 1992,
but they don't work either. I'm not about to spend the LD just to get
Creative Labs drivers of the week.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak)
Subject: Re: Tell MS you want OS/2 apps!
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Mitre Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:42:06 GMT

In article <25JAN199321094008@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>,
cvadsgpb@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Srikanth Viswanathan) wrote:
> Well, being the fan of OS/2 that I am, I got a devious smile ... if
> they listen to their wishes ... well, why don't we all call Billy G.'s
> company and send them a "wish" message -- develop and upgrade their
> OS/2 applications.
> 
> And I do mean -- flood their message bank to let them know of the
> interest.  Request the WPS for Windows program manager, etc.  Whatta
> ya think?  I'd love to see a frustrated operator have to tally all the
> OS/2 calls and present a report to an executive there <G>.
> 
> And the "Wish Line" at Microsoft is:::::::::::>>>>>>
> 
> (206) 936-WISH
> 

Why bother???  The number is not an 800 number so I would have to pay for
it and  MS is not going to start developing for OS/2 just because a bunch
of people call.  Lets face it, MS is trying to use the popularity of their
applications to stifle OS/2.

If OS/2 supporters really want to help OS/2, BUY OS/2 APPLICATIONS.  Don't
use Windows applications under WinOS2.  If vendor see that writing
applications for OS/2 is profitable, more vendors will develop for OS/2. 
Microsoft because an application powerhouse because they were the only
company developing for Windows.  (Remember, MS and IBM told the world that
Windows was temporary and OS/2 was the long-term direction).  By the time
other companies came out with Windows applications, MS had a very large and
firm marketshare.  If MS is slow in getting out OS/2 apps, they won't have
a large presense in the OS/2 market and that will be Microsoft's loss.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: (?) Changing the view of desktop 
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:36:49 GMT


This may sound silly. But, how can I change the appearance of
workplace shell from one view to another? For normal folders,
just OPEN->SETUP->MENU->.. But this doesn't work for WPS.
Thanks for any help!


Wen-Chun Ni, wcn@cs.brown.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: os2man@panix.com (Larry Salomon Jr.)
Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth (generic S3) drivers!!
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:17:40 GMT

I have a Diamond Stealth card, but you mentioned the Diamond Speedstar.  Will
the patch work on the Stealth card, too?  Also, is there any chance of 
damaging my card, should the drivers not work on my machine?

Cheers,
Q
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From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: MMPM2 and all soundcards Re: MMPM/2 and SB
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:32:59 GMT

Seems that for some reason the sound doesn't work until you install M/Audio
support.  Tell install that you have 0 installed :-)
Works for the PAS beta drivers too.

In article <727991822.741.0@aegina.weh.andrew.cmu.edu> "Joo C. Chung" <jc7o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In message <C1AzKJ.E9@brunel.ac.uk>, 
> me90plb@brunel.ac.uk (Paul L Barnfather) writes:
>>Pat Gleason (pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM) wrote:
>>: In <1993Jan20.095750.25675@unlv.edu> slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos) writes:
>>
>>: >out is that when they said that I needed the 2.0 DSP to get *full*
>>: >functionality, I assume that they mean that without the 2.0 DSP I can
>>: >get *some* functionality (which I can't).
>>
>>: I am glad to see someone else read that paragraph the same way I did.
>>
>>Well I've got a soundblaster 2.0 with version 2.01 DSP, and I can't get
>>MMPM/2 to work either. I don't see any error messages (or anything) when (if)
>>the device driver loads, but when I try to play a .WAV file, I get the 
>>message that 'Digitised Sound channel could not be opened, contact IBM etc..'
>>
>>BTW, the SB is on IRQ5, my LPT1 is on IRQ7 and I don't have LPT2.
>>
>>Any ideas ??
>>
>>Paul.
>
>Well...I don't know if anyone has tried it or not but I have a SB MCV.
>
>And I can't get MMPM/2 to work with it. It says that it can't open the
>"Digital Audio" device. I can't check the IRQ because the SB MCV doesn't
>use IRQs. The only thing I can set is the IO address and there is not conflicts
>there. I can't even use it under Win-OS/2 v3.1 because the drivers aren't 
>compatible with the SB MCV. 
>
>Joo.


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From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with PM Terminal
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:04:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.23

In article <C1FLq7.B9C@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> kvetzal@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Ken Vetzal) writes:

>I am posting this for a friend who is running OS/2 2.0 GA.  He has 
>an internal 2400 baud modem.  Whenever he tries to run PM Terminal, 
>he gets a system error SYS3175 (A program in this session encountered
>a problem and cannot continue).  This immediately after the program
>is started, i.e. before getting to the Softerm session manager.  
>Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this, or how it can
>be fixed?  

It sounds broken to me - reinstall it via Selective Install, or UNPACK the 
EXE from the distribution disks.

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From: mna1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Muhammad N. Arif)
Subject: Matlab for OS/2
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:19:27 GMT

What's the story here?  Is the company currently developing Matlab for OS/2?


-Moe
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: MMPM/2 and PC speaker
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <ofMkEa200iUzA36Nlk@andrew.cmu.edu> Carl B Jabido <cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> >       What about installing PC speaker driver fro Windows 3.1? I know this
>> >will let you play sounds in WINOS2 (maybe!!). You can ftp the PC speaker
>> >driver for Windows 3.1 from normal Windows ftp site such as
>> No go -- that will not function in Win-OS/2.  The speaker driver
>> requires total control of the machine.
>But it does work!  What you have to do is go into the Win-OS/2 settings
>(or Dos settings for full screen) and change HW_Timer from OFF to ON. 
>It works on my system seamlessly and full-screen.  Even better is the
>fact when running it seamlessly, it doesn't lock the computer like in MS
>Windows!  Better Windows than Windows!  You can move the mouse and use
>the system while playing .wav's!  Unfortunately, don't expect that good
>sound-the PC speaker just wasn't designed for that.  Anyone try Video
>from Windows yet?  It's really nice, and even on my slow Trident
>(seamlessly even!), it kills Quicktime.

For anyone interested in the Windows speaker driver, I have forwarded
a copy to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  It is now located in /pub/uploads
(although it will be moved), filename speaker.zip.  I have included a
README file with OS/2 considerations (namely to adjust HW_TIMER).

I still strongly recommend a sound adapter if you want good results.
That means either a Creative Labs SoundBlaster or IBM M-Audio adapter.
It may mean that MediaVision will be an option in the future, but
their drivers are still in beta.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: 2.1b bug and editorial comment on killing processes
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:55:09 GMT


>Bryan and the OS/2 World:
>
>I'm sorry to be picky (I wish for what you ask as well) , but if there is an
>application or process that freezes the keyboard, then how are you going to
>hot-key and kill the WPS or anything else for that matter?  I think that is
>why PC makers made the hard reset button.  Sorry if this is offensive to 
>Bryan or anyone else.

The keyboard is an interrupt.  Whenever you press a key, control jumps
to the interrupt handler.  That's why Ctrl-Alt-Del almost always works.
In DOS, a program can write their own interrupt handler.  In OS/2, a
protected operating system, IBM could write a more robust interrupt
handler, like their Ctrl-Alt-Del one that allows killing processes
(including the WPS, hopefully)
From: hook@geog.ubc.ca (Chris Hook)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: what to pick for NEC SCSI card?
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:44:07 GMT
Organization: UBC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: port63.annex1.net.ubc.ca


A while back, I posted a request for help as far as getting my NEC CDR-73
CDROM drive to work under OS/2 2.1b. The NEC CDR-73 is certainly
one of the listed CDROM drives in the selective install CDROM section,
and all the appropriate files seem to get installed and set up in
my config.sys file. The machine boots up fine (no config.sys errors)
but still there is no icon for the CDROM drive and no drive
letter assigned to it for command line refernceing.

It appears to me that my problem with this is that the PC thats
using the CDROM ( a generic 486 33MZ ISA bus clone ) is using
the NEC supplied SCSI adapter. There is no reference to this adapter
in the SCSI adapter installation of the selective install 
menu.

Does anyone know if:

	1. I can pick some reasonable substitute for the NEC SCSI adapter
from the supplied OS/2 2.1b selective install SCSI adapter list.

or 

2. I can get an NEC SCSI adapter OS/2 compliant driver set to
install.

Thanks,

Chris Hook
hook@geog.ubc.ca
Atmospheric Sciences
U.B.C.


p.s. - I'm going to get the C++ workset off this CDROM one
way or another!!
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From: Joe@twistor.dialix.oz.au (Joe Katnic)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re:  MVS on Workstations? (Was "economics of os2 for ibm")
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:55:11 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <8492@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <19930120.071732.246@almaden.ibm.com> KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Kenneth A. Kahn) writes:
[skipped]
>
>For those of you out there screaming "Why, for God'd sake??!", think of a
>personal development environment for mainframe apps where a programmer could
>do stupid things like stomp on CICS internals and not bring the whole shooting
>match down for hundreds of people...
>//

//TBAJJKA  JOB (IT),'REPLY',CLASS=S,MSGCLASS=X,NOTIFY=TBAJJK
/*ROUTE XEQ INTERNET
//*
//S1 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS,REGION=1G
//SYSPRINT DD DUMMY
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN    DD *
  REPRO INFILE(SYSUT1) OUTFILE(SYSUT2)
/*
//SYSUT1   DD *

Why don't you simply use CICS/ESA V3.3 and turn Storage Protection on.
Then ALL CICS code and control blocks will be in storgare protect key 8.
ALL user code and data will be in key 9 and the user code will not have
access to key 8 storage.

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From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: Trouble installing high res in OS2.1b
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:05:29 GMT

If you make a REXX script or any other program which might be generally
useful to others, would you please upload it to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

Thanks.
Meir

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From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: My ET4000......(again)....:-(
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:15:40 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange


I couldn't leave well enough alone, could I......
 
The 2.1 beta has been so good on my machine at home that I decided to have one
more go at getting SVGA (800x600x*anything!*) on my no-name ET4000-based video
card.
 
I normally run a Trident 8900c - which is OK, but slowish. 
 
I re-installed the VGA support, made the card swap, and re-booted. All OK
except for the usual problem with my ET4000 card. A full screen DOS session
causes my Philips 7CM3209 monitor to lose synce. I have long since learned to
shut down blind, so this was no real problem.......
 
I can open a DOS window and do ALT+HOME and get a ful screen session.....but
NO WAY can I get *any* full screen DOS session with this card - at *any*
resolution.
 
I tried playing with the TLIVESA driver supplied with the card. I also
installed VMODE.COM and tried several settings (35K, 45M, etc) in the
autoexec.bat.......all to no avail whatever. I re-ran SVGA ON each time - and
delted the SVGADATA.PMI file in between. 
 
10-12 boots later.....nada.
 
The only thing that ever worked with this card was the VSVGA.SYS contained in
the TSENGFIX.ZIP archive  last May. I actually got some 800x600x16 SVGA
drivers to work at 60Mhz at that time. The November beta 'broke' that, though
and I have given up trying to get this card to work.....until now.
 
It came in a purple-sided box with a green pastel top that looks sort of
like oil pastels on a rough-textured board. There is a sploch of orange and
white on the top and the letters VGA in white with very thin trim.

Has anyone got these cards to work? I know of several others who have
not......here in NZ and in Britain. 

If I can't get it sorted out this time......I'm going to sell the damn thing.
 
Any suggestions? either for fixing my prolbem or as to price.......:-)
 
Thanks
 
Steve
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