From: matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese)
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 04:09:27 CST

In article <1993Jan20.220959.19251@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <1jkfnvINNg1t@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>>I've never actually seen anyone say "the Bible tells me 
>>to hate homosexuals".
>
>Me either.  What we have, though, is people who do hate
>homosexuals and who are actively working towards limiting
>gay, lesbian, and bisexual civil rights claim a religious
>foundation for their position.  In this newsgroup we've
>
This seems to be the root of the problem here. Melinda, you
seem to equate "limiting...civil rights" with hatred. Many
would disagree, especially since the U.S. Constitution
does not specifically grant equal rights to holders of
non-hetero sexual orientation. This is a result of the
increasingly, IMO, "Orwellian" catchphrases and name-calling 
of Lesbigay activists. 

>seen posting after posting vainly attempting to demonstrate
>that the Bible states unequivocally that homosexuality is
>a heinous sin of incomparable magnitude.
>
Some people feel that way, I and many other Christians do not.

>I know you're genuinely stupid, Wally, but not even you
>would suggest that many, if not most people involved with
>organizations like CFV and OCA aren't using religion as a
>excuse to justify their bigotry.  Even here in Tompkins
>County we've had people suggest that treating homosexuals
>in a civil manner would violate their religious beliefs and
>that extending existing civil rights laws to include
>"actual or perceived sexual orientation" would intrude upon
>their freedom of religion.  EXCUSE ME??  Their religious
>practices include denying civil rights to homosexuals?
>
How can you seriously expect to win the respect and support of
others when you run around the net calling people "genuinely
stupid"?! I've read as many of Walter's posts as you and
while I don't always agree with him at least he tries to 
understand other people's positions which is, apparently,
much more than you are willing to do. Why don't you get down
off of your throne? As for the people in your county I 
certainly don't recognize the religion that they're practicing.

>If there's one person on the planet who would suggest that
>religion is not being used as an excuse for anti-gay
>bigotry, you're certainly that person.
>--
>
No one that I know is denying that religion is often used as
a mask for bigotry and hatred. But you seem more than willing to
tar all Christians with that brush even when they indicate
that they don't hate you or wish to persecute you. Dare I
say, Judge not...?

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