HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz)
Subject: Re: Buddhism/Sikhism a part of Hinduism ?              
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:37:49 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian

In article <1992Sep1.114414.21344@alf.uib.no>, s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra) writes:
 Stuff deleted.......
|> 
|> The sikhism is a streamlined version of hinduism. The Gurus did deffend
|> hindus, against the muslims, when they tried to convert them into muslims
|> with force. So there are no reasons for hindus & sikhs to fight!

Sometimes, it appears, atleast to me, that we need fall guys, maybe a whole
community. The Hindu's have the muslims and vice versa. Throw out the muslims,
the Hindus will fight amongst themselves and subdivide Sikhs and the rest of 
the hindus. Same with the muslims, when the Hindu element is no longer present,
the Sunni's and the Bahai's (Whatever the two major factions are) tend to have 
infighting. Throw out the sikhs or the Sunni's and the other half will find
some things different amongst themselves to fight about. The same is true,
among other major religions/communities etc....

I don't think we as a people, think of ourselves as people first. We try to
find smaller and smaller niches that we can belong to, and exclude everybody
who does not fit or conform.

I think, it is more so in India, and cultures, that have held on to identities
through the years. Most Indians, no matter in which part of the world they
exist, or which generation, hold on to their last name - which means and tells
alot. Some have their trade (wallas), some the caste, the village, etc and some
the foreign/religious ancestary. Maybe what we need is lots and lots of Smiths.

(But, knowing the depth of curiousity and inquisitiveness(sp?) that some Indians
can stoop, too, they will device other means.)

We mentally do a background check, instead of dealing with the person on hand,
through his views, or thoughts, expressed in various forms. Why do we care
where he is from or who Ed Crick is ? That does not sound Indian. I have heard 
the same about me. Read or don't read what is written here and reply to issues 
and discussions raised here. Comments like a non-indian has come in here are
uncalled for. Jumping to conclusions ? Getting personal on the net ? I think
we are pretty good at it.

Maybe, I diverged onto something else. But, then if each of us, could change
our thinking, in small ways, it could go long way, to tolerating differences
on a larger scale.

|> 
|> And at last;
|> 
|> Hindu, Muslim, Sikh , Isai, sabhi to hay bhai bhai!
|> __________________________________________________________________________
|>                 Permjit Bhamra, Dept. of Computer Science 
|>                       University of Bergen, NORWAY
|>                          E-Mail  s312@ii.uib.no         
|> __________________________________________________________________________


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: ramreddy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ram Reddy)
Subject: Visa Requirements for Transit Through Frankfurt, Germany
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:24:10 GMT

I just got the tail end of the discussion regarding transit through Frankfurt
Germany.  Could some one on the net  please repost the requirements for an
Indian passport holder on transit through the airport.  An old friend of mine
who has an indian passport and a ticket on Lufthansa from Chicago to Bombay
via Frankfurt is worried about getting stranded in Frankfurt.

I just got the tail end of the thread and missed the "meat" of the discussion.
Thanks in advance for the information. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mramesh@nyx.cs.du.edu (M Ramesh)
Subject: The Tiger Cascade Departure - III
Followup-To: alt.cascade
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:29:17 GMT

Venkatachalam Aruna writes:
>(Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I will close you by my ices.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will lose you by my dices.
>> >>>>>>>>>>  I will kill you with my spices.
>> >>>>>>>>    Hi willki, you with mices ?
>> >>>>>>>>    No Vepal, that would be crises.
>> >>>>>>      No pal, begone, that suffices.
>> >>>>>       I car US life's main spices?
>> >>>>        I caress her vain crevices.
>> >>>         I could do without artificial devices.
>> >>          I kudo you with art on what premises ?
>> >           Could you be SCating on thin Ices?
>>             Methinks Icarus will pay terrible prices.
>              Yes, he will be crushed down to juices.
               No, he will crush any such sloppiness.

-- Ramesh

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From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re: cow convention addendum
Date: 31 Aug 1992 19:22:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


Dr. Cowlaji writes:

Dr. Dung writes:

>               The Cowmittee for Moral Cowdes and Cownduct amongst Cows
>has cownveyed its strong objections to allowing punk cows to attend the
>cownvention. Please refrain from painting your horns garishly, shaving off
>the middle third of your horns, flaunting horn-ring on a single horn, making
>dragon tattooes where dragon tattooes are not supposed to be made or dressing
>in any other way which might incite,excite,infuriate other cows/guest speakers.
>Each cow must be decently dressed since both, Dr. Icowrus and Dr. Dung, are
>allergic to scantily clad cows, though reliable sources cownfirm that



      Is this the New Cowenant?   Hmm.., I ain't taking no more Dung!
      This convention is beginning to stink already - Dung or no Dung.
      I,hereby, concede my inabiltiy to take this bull [Dung] by its
      horns and humbly pullout of this convention.


Not so fast, you low cowste cowherd ! :) :)

Cowtcha Gangster
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From: gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: queries directed to jains ... (from a jain) : answers follow
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:34:59 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ


Kuntal:

You missed my point completely. My point is that all living creatures should
be considered equally from a miniscule bacteria to a mammal. I don't think
there is any difference between plant and animal. All creatures could 
potentially have a soul. 

In my previous example I cited Volvox, a creature with both plant like and
animal qualities, and also the Venus Fly Trap. Also there must have been
a creature along the way at some time that was once completely plant like
and converted to completly animal like form.

My point is that plants too, should be considered alive and also not be eaten,
under your argument, because they can sense pain(?) and or they may have
souls (?).

Srihari Gopal
gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
	 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bandi@kilo.cs.umn.edu (Vijay Bandi)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR VENKATESWARA RAO..
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:08:00 GMT

In <Bu27AJ.1n3@wpi.WPI.EDU> dikkala@maxine.wpi.edu (dikkala ravikumar) writes:

>: Looking for V.Venkateswara Rao from AP (vizag, AU) ;

>	I used to know about such a person. But he used to be better
>	known as "Paladabba"...

        well, it is the most important of his (??) thousand names.
but, you dont want to wash the class(read turbo) linen in public, do you?


>: If you have come across this guy (btw, he is male, too) recently,

>	I have to disagree with you on this point. Ask Mr. Doki, the 
>	prolific poster he can give you more details...

	        It is upto the Mr.prolific Poster to share his wisdom on
this , since (only) he came closest to understand the nature and phyche
of the person in q.

>	Dikkala

>PS: I think I last saw Venki eating Swiss Choclates in his Dairy
>    farm...

If it comes to that, we all can help him buy up some ( or all of )
Wisconsin grazing land and help start operating from there.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godbolep@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: additon to looking for ex M.I.T. students
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:48:01 GMT


In article <19AUG199217003046@elroy.uh.edu>, elee42d@elroy.uh.edu (Sudipto Sen) writes:
one more i wish to add this is that purpose of compiling this list is for 
beneifits of m.i.t. students living in u.s.a not for propaganda techniques
of m.i.t.pune.forming such group is useful for someone (ex-mitian)who is
looking for job,changing of univ.,relocation etc.i am planning to send this 
list within one week to everyone.
so please reply and send your information.
prasanna
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: I will close you by my ices --[ The Tiger Cascade ]
Followup-To: alt.cascade
Organization: The Net-Anarchists of SCI, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:31:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.205538.23198@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.200206.7776@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU  
>(Icarus) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug27.183120.6463@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu  
>(Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>> >In article <1992Aug27.173933.1794@colorado.edu>  
>paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU  
>> >(Icarus) writes:
>> >> In article <1992Aug27.125801.16683@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu  
>> >(Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>> >> >In article <1992Aug26.225243.194559@ua1ix.ua.edu>  
>ngopalas@ho19.eng.ua.edu  
>> >> >(Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>I will close you by my ices.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I will lose you by my dices.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>  I will kill you with my spices.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>    Hi willki, you with mices ?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>    No Vepal, that would be crises.
>> >> >> >>>>>>      No pal, begone, that suffices.
>> >> >> >>>>>       I car US life's main spices?
>> >> >> >>>>        I caress her vain crevices.
>> >> >> >>>         I could do without artificial devices.
>> >> >> >>          I kudo you with art on what premises ?
>> >> >> >           Could you be SCating on thin Ices?
>> >> >>             Methinks Icarus will pay terrible prices.
>> >> >              Yes, he will be crushed down to juices.
>> >>                Less, you will be rushed down to the sluices.
>> >                 Mess, to get crushed, he always cruises.
>>                   God Bless, forget Rushdie, he always loses.
>                    Do stress, for blessings he doesn't get roses.
                     Estrus, for dressings she doesnt get noses.

1] The time has come to carry out the cascade in alt.cascade 
   exclusively. 
   I have set the f.l. approp.

2] Stay Cool.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: s5ugxk@fnma.COM (Girish Kumtheker)
Subject: Re: Interested in a relationship?
Reply-To: s5ugxk@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:46:09 GMT

In article 18443@svcdudes.com, rakesh@dolphin (Rakesh Chabra) writes:
>Hello,
>
>My name is Rakesh and I am interested in meeting single Indian women in  
>the San Francisco Bay Area. I was born and raised in this area and have  
>developed a complementary mixture of the two cultures that I have been  
>exposed to. I am 30, 5' 7" and I want to meet and eventually marry someone 
                  ^^^^ 
>I can grow with and share what life has to offer.

       ^^^^  Really ???

>
>I don't know about the cultural differences within the country (as far as  
>the state/region of India anyone is from)

Well, maharashtrian are from maharashtra, gujrathis are from gujrat, kashmiri's are from kashmir
etc etc.. You should get the picture

> so I will describe myself/my  
>parents instead of putting restrictions on the type of person I want to  
>meet. My parents are from Punjab and their religion is Hindu. If I have to

								    ^^^^^

							Oh Boy, what an attitude !!
  
>speak an Indian language, the one I can get by with mostly is Punjabi and  
>a little bit of Hindi.  I am a non-vegetarian (basically I'll try  
>anything), I do not smoke, and I rarely drink (I hate beer). I have a very  
>strong sense of family values - children are wonderful and parents are 

	         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^    Read I am a republican :-)
 
>wise (but not always correct), I would want to take care of my or your  
>parents should they need to be cared for. Brothers and sisters and cousins  
>are very important and they should never be left out of the family for any  
>reason. I am not very religious myself, but believe in helping anyone that  
>I can.
>
>Other than that, I simply love to have fun in everything I do. I work in  
>Berkeley at a small software company where I perform Quality Assurance and  
>design tasks. In my free time I go to movies, theater, concerts, visit  
>family and friends, babysit my neice, volunteer at a cable company  
>(cameraman) and pretty much do whatever comes up - just being spontaneous,  
>I guess. The one word philosophy of my life is 'happiness'.
>
>I welcome replies as well as comments on my ad. I love meeting new people,  
>so reply now!
>
>Thanks a lot,
>
>Rakesh (rakesh@svcdudes.com)



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s5ugxk@fnma.com
From: arvind@acuson.com (Arvind Jain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Literature on the Jain religion?
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:29:12 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

It seems that there are various opinions about people's understanding of 
Jainism.  After reading the discussions, I am now more confused than ever.
So, I am wondering whether anyone knows any good books that explain the 
philosophy and teachings of Jainism.

Please direct your responses directly to me, and I will post a compiled
list based on the feedback.

Arvind
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.cascade
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Tall Tales from Hell -- Icarus. [Possible cascade]
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.025548.15228@menudo.uh.edu> Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.200325.8776@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU  
>> 2] Go rub your face in a used bidet stool,
>>    get rid of that awful taste,
>>    quench your burning thirst for liquid waste,
>>    after that stay bottom-fused and sedate cool.
>     drafter,over his eyes, don't pull the wool.

>1] Okay, Icarus, your bait "Possible cascade" was taken.
>2] Follow-up is set to alt.cascade.

But this *is* alt.cascade

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: RSS ( a reply to fundamentalists)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:01:08 GMT



In article <1992Aug30.134652.16896@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> bond@jupiter.sun.csd
.unb.ca (Girish Bonde) writes:
>g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>
>>[.....]
>>What a great way of disobeying the constitution and suprem law.
>>[.....]
>
>Do you know that none of the court orders, as of today, has been
>disobeyed by VHP/RSS? The High Court order prohibits the construction
>of any permanent structures or the transfer of the 2.77 acres acquired
>by the Uttar Pradesh State Tourism department. But it has not been able
>to demarcate the disputed premises. So no jurisdiction over the shrine's
>land has so far been established by the courts. That means none of the
>court orders has been flouted. Even the construction of the 100 ft. by
>80 ft. platform which was started in the last month did not defy any of
>the court orders.
>
>-Girish.
>

    I believe that before one talks about VHP/RSS abiding the law, why
 don't we see what the other party has done in the past. How much they
 care for law & order. Isn't Shahabuddin the fellow, who burnt copies
 of Indian constitution. What do we expect from such people. I believe
 that Shahabuddin is the head of babri masjid action committee.

 Raja 



>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: RSS ( response to 2nd E-Mail..)
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:44:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.223252.13901@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> i000@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>forcefully converted.  DO NOT FEEL ASHAMED OR FEEL NEW TO Hinduism. It is not
>your mistake. As I had already written, barbarians and Robbers came and 
>that first hindu was converted at the point of sword. Some times these people
>were also fed meat forcefully and converted. These are  not your faults. THERE

interesting.  A Blooper.  Stuck out from the rest of reasonable discussion.

......
>   What I see in common with a Nepalee the same I see in common with YOU and 
>   also AFGHAN. My commonality as you have said starts even before
>   first-hindu

etc.....

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: m912121@chudich.co.rmit.oz.AU (Joydip Das)
Subject: Re: looking for ways to meet opp sex
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:32:06 GMT

mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell) writes:


>In article <1992Aug22.074306.15658@access.digex.com>, gulati@access.digex.com (Raj K. Gulati) writes:
>> Hi,
>>   A few of my friends including myself, are wondering about what
>>   is the best way to meet indian guys and gals (ie opposite sex)
>						      ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Now come on, are you really that paranoid?

>>   here in the U.S. Some of us would want to pursue just a rela-
>>   tionship, others are inclined towards immediate (or arranged)
>>   marriages. Any suggestions?

>Jesus. How about going over and talking to them like the human
>beings that they are? You people really are the worst. Your
>prospective wives are not some commodity that can be tossed about
>as is your want.

>>   Please send replies to gulati@access.digex.com.

>No.

I second that.

These "guys and gals" should crawl out of their holes and join
the human race.  "Immediate (or arranged) marriages"????? Are you
guys for real?  How much are you willing to pay?  Its time you
"conservative" and "educated" and "grown-up" guys and gals started
to think of other people as "people" and not just state-of-the-art
vending machines.

No doubt, gulati@access.... will receive more favourable mail.
Birds of feather.....etc.


J.D
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m912121@chudich.co.rmit.oz.au
From: vganti@nmt.edu (Venkata Ganti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: request for travel agents information
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:30:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Aug30.033056.2381
Organization: New Mexico Tech

HI NETTERS,

	COULD SOMEBODY OUT THERE PLEASE POST THE LIST OF TRAVEL AGENTS DEALING
WITH AIRLINES FLYING TO INDIA. I HAVE SEEN A BIG LIST FEW MONTHS BACK ON THE 
NET. I APPRECIATE IF ANYBODY CAN SEND THAT LIST. THANX IN ADVANCE.
MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS
  
vganti@jupiter.nmt.edu

BYE

ganti
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: REASONS WHY I POSTED TO S.C.T AND A.C.K [REF. PANTNAGAR]
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:19:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.204432.5586@informix.com> vivek@informix.com (Vivek Dwivedi) writes:
>
>    posted 10 articles to flame him. What do you guys think that s.c.i 
>    is to post junk  . 

Because guys like YOU read it!

>I'm sick of M.... 
	     ^^^^^

Mommy?!! It's not nice to say such personal stuff in public, you know.
Well, it's your life.

>Vivek (Pantanagarian) Dwivedi

Njan
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ***** CLARION UNIVERSITY, CLARION, PA *****
Date: 25 Aug 92 08:00:33 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong


Do you know e-mail address of anyone at Clarion University, Clarion, PA?

Awaiting reply on :

g9220348@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au

Bye
Adil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.portuguese
From: banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Origin of the word 'caste' (was Re: Fair and lovely: Remember that face cream ?)
Keywords: color skin
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.160250.14535@zip.eecs.umich.edu> bhattach@dip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.112807.16142@prl.philips.nl> dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa 42147) writes:
>>. . . in Sri Lanka there are words derived from Portuguese "armario"
>>(cabinet) and "bebado" (drunkard), and in India (in Mahrati?) from the
>>words "camisa" (shirt) and "Natal" (Christmas). 
>>. . .

>While I don't know any Sinhalese , the corresponding Bengali word
>for 'cabinet' is 'almari' . This word seems likely to have been 
>derived from the Portuguese 'armario' that you mention. 

Actually, the Samsad Bangla Abhidhan (Bengali dictionary) traces the
etymology of the Bengali "almAri" from the English "almirah" which in turn
is derived from the Portugese "armario". And here I was about to mistakenly
deduce that the word had to have an Arabic root given that it starts with
the typical Arabic "al"!:-)

>A common word for shirt in many North Indian languages is , of course,
>'kamij' , which would seem to be derived from the word 'camisa' that
>you mention.

According to the Samsad again, "kAmij" is indeed derived from the Port. 
"camisa".

Following up the Portugese connection, here's another interesting observation.
I've heard numerous folk etymological derivations of the Bengali word for
western style leavened bread, the regular kind, you know, Wonder Bread:-) or
"mummy mummy Modern Bread":-) These included apocryphal stories about how
the dough used to be kneaded by people stomping on it with their feet
[p(n)Ao in Hindi] and invoking a French connection - pain (sp?) is French
for bread. None of these was sufficiently convincing and when I saw in a 
cookbook a recipe for a Portugese bread - pa~o doce - I was sure I had found
the answer. Indeed the Samsad dictionary claims the word is derived from the
Portugese "pao". I'm curious to know if the Portugese word, spelt with a ~
over the a, is meant to have that vowel "nasalised" or is the nasalisation
a Bengali corruption?

Cheers

Amitava

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.portuguese