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From: GOLDSTEIN@CSSS-A.Prime.COM
Subject: Okay, now what?
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:37:02 GMT

To:       Info-Prime mail list (info-prime@blx-a)
From:     D. Miles Goldstein (Goldstein@Csss-A)
Date:     24 Jul 92  4:33 PM
Subject:  Okay, now what?

Please do not get CSBU confused with PrimeService ...
Support is still very much here, and even the press
likes us!

--- Forwarded Message:

     When I gave the info about Prime to the Computer Center yesterday,
they acted like thier best friend died.  Basically, the two Prime
computers here (4150 & 6150) do everything for this University.
Being told that after August 31 the techincal support will go to slim
to nil will likely cause some panic.

>> 1-800-800-PRIME is not going away ...

     A few questions about the gravity of this situation:  since
the students, staff, professors, library card catalogs, accounting
information, mathmaticians, and networking are done from these
computers (nothing is on unix yet) what support will we be able
to get after August 31st?

>> The same you've always gotten, and more as we continue to GROW.

     Support needed:  Can OS bugs be fixed?  Can we continue to
purchase spare parts?  Are there enough spare parts being manufactured
currently to meet demand say, a year from now?

>> PRIMOS fixes come from PrimeService.

     If anyone from Prime could comment... Would they suggest we
would be taking a large chance keeping with our Prime 50s after
August 31st?

>> I'm in no position of authority here, but if your systems
>> do what they are designed to do, keep them forever ...

     I'm sure the regular Computer Center staff will ask these same
questions, but all the "Prime" experts are on vacation for awhile.
Meanwhile, I was asked to explain this problem to the U President
and I'm just a student hourly!  Oy.

>> As they say in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, "Don't Panic!"

     Thanks alot,

     Eric Knight
     s0nn6@starburst.uscolo.edu

These opinions are not USColo's, unless of course, they vote on it.

>> - Miles Goldstein, not speaking on behalf of my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: S89406316@HSE.NL (Jac Goudsmit)
Subject: Is it worth the trouble?
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:58:19 GMT

In message of 31 Jul 92 07:35:13, Chuck Foster said:
|
>I'm uncertain as to what will happen to mail as the Sun will be handling
>it; I hope to move into this highly interesting area anyway, so it'll be
>fun learning (and now everyone will so "oh no it isn't!!!!). Losing the
>X25 link means that mail will come via SMTP instead to the Prime, yeuch.
>Still, Michel's MAILER isn't so bad :-)

Speaking of which, I've been "busy" rewriting Mailer (which I more or less
maintain now) and have about 30 % finished, but with all this panic about
Prime partially disappearing, I'm starting to wonder if it's worth all the
trouble. It will probably take me some more time until I can present Mailer
3.00 (with a load of things you and I wanted), maybe months. But what good
is it to put energy into a program that's written for a computer that people
are inevitably going to move away from?

Don't get me wrong here, I still want to "work" on Mailer, but can anyone
on the list kinda convince me that my leisure time is well spent? I could use
a shoulder pat... :-)

I'm sure more developers are feeling this dilemma of leaving a perfectly good
operating system (at least that's what I think Primos is) for things like Unix.

BTW Did you know Unox (just one typo away from Unix :-) is a Dutch brand name
for sausage and baloney? I kid you not!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: LANCE@CSSS-A.Prime.COM
Subject: Re: MIGRATING PICK DATABASE SYSTEMS TO UNIX
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:02:48 GMT

To:       Ash Pirwani <Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM>
Cc:       (apirwani@bcm.tmc.edu)
From:     Lance J. Andersen (lance@csss-a.prime.com)
Date:     24 Jul 92  1:00 PM
Subject:  Re: MIGRATING PICK DATABASE SYSTEMS TO UNIX

PI/open will handle R83 applications.  PI/open supports pick dictionaries
and is very compatible with PICK basic.


Regards,

Lance Andersen
From: YODERS@PRIME.WITTENBERG.EDU (Kevin Yoders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: Source
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

>
> Agreed. And, as you have all pointed out, unix has survived this way
> for many years. Alot of it is because various individuals have taken
> over the keeping and distributions of patches.
>
> You are free to get the code and change it as you want. But to have
> those changes included into the 'official' distribution, it will receive
> some fairly heavy checking.
>
> All that I am saying, is that for everyone to  get the code and then start
> making changes makes it very difficult to put them all together. I do not
> have the time to check over every change this is in a patch to make sure
> it does not break some other patch that was applied in the past.
>
> And I don't have to. This is because someone else has taken 'ownership'
> and has tested the patch. Sure there may be some bugs, but hopefully
> nothing major. If all you want to do is change the code for your own
> purposes, then have at it. But what happens when several people get
> together and decide that they want to incorporate changes made by others?
>
> I am not saying that no one can be trusted. What I am saying is that
> it would be VERY helpful if someone were to 'coordinate' the changes
> that are made.

One possible way of doing this is a cooperative effort by any and all
sites that have source and the resources to devote to it.
Info-Prime, along with the Usenet connection, could be an effective
way to manage this.  The problem would be finding a site that has
the resources to keep complete revs. around for downloading plus the
necessary changes in installation procedures, etc.  It would indeed
be a logistic accomplishment.  However, it is certainly possible.
I, for one, would volunteer as much time as I can toward such a
project, should it become necessary (or wanted).

Speaking of Info-Prime, has anybody given any thought about what
will become of it?  Will it still be able to reside where it is now?
If not, is there a Primos site somewhere that could take it over (I
would prefer that it stayed on a Primos machine if possible)?  It
seems to me that last week's events make this list all the more
important to Prime's customers.

Kevin Yoders
Wittenberg University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Cartridge tape access on an EXL
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:44:53 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <9207291209.AA22078@usenet.rpi.edu> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>Do a mt -t /dev/rmt/ctape4 fsf
>
>this will forward space you one file.

this should be:

	%mt -f /dev/rmt/ctape4 fsf 1

the key is select the 1/4" tape device which is no-rewind. 

regards,
james, peters@convex.com
From: Eric@CCCC.CC.Colorado.Edu (Eric Ross)
Subject: Wishful Thinking?
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Colorado College, Colorado Springs Colorado
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:26:51 GMT

Oh, it's a sad state of affairs that makes me wonder:

How important is 50 series to Primeservice?  Does anybody have any sense
of how large a part of Primeservice's revenue is 50 series based?

Assuming it's significant (how can it not be?), it's got to be real
important to Primeservice that they assure potential investors that that
revenue source will continue.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: MSO@eeyore.usc.edu
Subject: HELP
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:14:04 GMT
From: JOHN_DONAT@CS-LP1.Prime.COM (John Donat CSE 312-641-3450)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: rev23.3 logging
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:23:08 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Chuck..

As far as your question -both updates, and some new ones..


john
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Curses
From: Murray_Moffatt@kcbbs.gen.nz (Murray Moffatt)
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:26:25 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Does anybody know if it's possible to tell Curses to find its Terminfo 
database anywhere other than in TERM* ???   Ie, is there a global variable 
that can be set to point to the new Terminfo database?

Also, does anybody know what the TRACEON and TRACEOFF Curses routines 
do?
From: JOHN_DONAT@CS-LP1.Prime.COM (John Donat CSE 312-641-3450)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: rev23.3 logging
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:21:16 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Chuck...

We've had the office system (a 4050) on 23.3 for about 10 days, and have
had no problem like you describe.  We (ovbiously) are hooked into the
world through telenet, and also a dial in modem, and have seen none of
these problems.  Be aware, in the last few months people have been trying
to hack into the systems at Prime itself trying to use the "old" logins
like user, admin, guest, demo, prime, and trying to use the system login,
too.  WATCH YOURSELF if you're on telenet.

John E. Donat
JOHN_DONAT@cs-lp1.Prime.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: winter@sequent.com (Robert Winter)
Subject: Re: MIGRATING PICK DATABASE SYSTEMS TO UNIX
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:18:51 GMT

In comp.sys.prime you write:


>This may not be directly related to the Info-Prime list but it is a Pick
>related question and I'm hoping that some one in this group may be able
>to point me in the right direction.

>Are there any vendors out there who are migrating/converting applications
>written in Pick/Basic (not Info/Basic) to Unix based platforms.  I've
>already talked to Unidata and Universe, but I'd like to explore some more
>options if there are any.

Those guys are really the only ones that I would trust to do this.  We
at Sequent have many installations which have successfuly gone down that
path.

Good luck.

Give Sequent a call if you are interested.

>If this question should appear on another "Pick" list, then I would
>appreciate the address of that list, and I apologize for wasting fellow
>Prime-netters time.

>Thank you in advance for your replies.


Robert Winter (winter@sequent.com)
Sequent Computer Systems
949 S. Coast Drive
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
714-545-6600



Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: 0004439868@mcimail.com (Infocus Inc.)
Subject: Re- New variations on the l
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:53:00 GMT

Attn: Info Prime
From: Lee Leitner
  Subject:
                                             Time:     Date:
  Re: New variations on the languishing                 4:38 PM   7/30/92
And thou sayest that thy wholiest number be 23. 23 be thy wholiest number. 
Thy number 22 it is not, unless thy proceed(eth?) directly to 23. 
If thy number be 24, thou has gone to fareth, unless thou be searcheth in thy
binary way

And thou addeth thou release number of thou lesser importance, thy number being
three. 
Three be thy number and thou addeth thy number to thy 23 and thou form
xD
23.3

And thy users and engineers and marketters looketh upon thy number, and declare
it to be good.


Lee Leitner
From PA, home to Primos (, PA)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: TS@CS-IND.Prime.COM
Subject: Re: Okay, now what?
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:48:21 GMT

i really don't think computervision will call there service div. primeservice
.while Iam sure the primos systems will be serviced by cv I would think the name
would be computervision service.anything else wouldn't make sense.
    i think all of you have to understand cv is putting their money where it
will do the most good.That is the cad business.If we can get cadds 5 to get 
off the ground we may still have a company come the next millennium.If not
well I guess the partys over,and we all go to the winds.
                                            TED SCHAFER
                                            SENIOR CUSTOMER SERVICE ENGINEER
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: ccsmcs@cd4380.ufh.ac.za (Mark Stobbs)
Subject: PI Open
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:47:19 GMT

When the demise of Prime was first mentioned on this group, it was stated that
PI Open would be put up for sale. What is happening on this front and who are
the likely buyers? I don't care what hardware platform we use but I don't
want to buy new application software.

Locally the HP agents have taken over the Prime agent. Alot of HP kit has been
sold to run PI Open and obviously there are lots of sales out there from
people having to replace their Prime kit. Is HP a possible buyer of PI Open?
It would make sense for one of the hardware manufacturers to take over the
product so that they can pick up all the Prime orphans.

There has been alot of discussion about what might happen in the weeks/months
ahead but are there any new facts emerging?

Regards
-- 
                _________________________________________
               |  Mark Stobbs    ccsmcs@cd4380.ufh.ac.za |
               |          Computer Centre                |
               |  University of Fort Hare, South Africa  | 
               |_________________________________________|
From: Toni@Blx-S.Prime.COM (Toni van de Wiel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: The future of Info-Prime
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:13:08 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: PrimeService, De Meern, The Netherlands

From the keyboard of Kevin Yoders  <YODERS@PRIME.WITTENBERG.EDU>:
> Speaking of Info-Prime, has anybody given any thought about what
> will become of it?  Will it still be able to reside where it is now?
> If not, is there a Primos site somewhere that could take it over (I
> would prefer that it stayed on a Primos machine if possible)?  It
> seems to me that last week's events make this list all the more
> important to Prime's customers.

There were no plans to run Info-Prime from a 5520 or 5540 so cancelling
'Toons' has changed nothing really for the list... ;-)

Seriously, it has been said before but I will say it again:
PrimeService still exists, and not that much has changed really.
Ok, customers will now probably move to other hardware more quickly than
planned before, but as long as they are using 50-series and Primos,
PrimeService will keep supporting and servicing them. If desired we
will advice about and help customers with moving to other platforms,
but they are just as welcome to run Primos till the end of times...

As 'just another' employee of PrimeService I don't know any more
details than what has been revealed on this list, but please don't
let your imagination come up with all these negative vibes only...

But, to answer Kevin's question: yes, Info-Prime will be able to stay
here as long as I am here and there is a machine to run it from, and as
far as I am aware there are no short term plans to remove either one of
them...


As an administrative aside: I will be on vacation during the whole month
of August. The ListServer (running Info-Prime) will have to run by itself
then and there will be nobody available to perform tasks that require
manual intervention. Sorry about that, but that's the way it is...

cheerz!
++Toni; (speaking for myself only)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: rayr@tbird5.prime.com (Ray Ratchup)
Subject: Re: Source
Reply-To: rayr@s34.prime.com
Organization: Prime Computer
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:13:44 GMT

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: GORMAN_B@prime1.lancashire-poly.ac.uk (Barry Gorman)
Subject: Re: source
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:49:16 GMT

>From: akc@net.njin.pilot (Albert K. Costanzo)
>Pacer (Garth Conboy wrote the C compiler) ...
>COrporation do want to earn a profit :-)

This is exactly what I am worried about. We don't want to end up paying again
for something we have (in effect) already paid for. This is particularly
worrying for C users. May I ask for sites to make bids to support self-contained
parts of prime software. So long as we have e-mail, communication is easy where
interactions are required. I stake a claim for the C library, and the compiler.

/* UK usage: con = confidence trick. Might it be USA usage: scam or sting? */

>From: rayr@com.prime.tbird5 (Ray Ratchup)
> vv bnv vcdfgfmmddhdhmhnnn, nb vkh lihgkkjvv

Keep taking the tablets, you will feel better soon.

Barry
.....
From: MSO@eeyore.usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: ICON '92
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:53:34 GMT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

*********************************************************************
*    ICON '92    Call For Speakers & Announcement of Conference     *
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*
* Please post and/or pass this notice around!                       *
*********************************************************************

The 1992 Information Conference (ICON '92) will be held November 10th,
11th, and 12th at the Hyatt by Disneyland in Anaheim California.
This will be the 10th annual conference for Prime Information users
held in the southern California area.
The theme for this year's conference is ICON '92 --Breaking Out
We chose "Breaking Out" for several reasons -- PI going off-platform,
the need to extend our conference to all 'Pick-Style' data bases, and
breaking out of our previous plans for this year's meeting.
We are currently planning on having PI & PI/Open talks, VMark's Universe,
Unidata, Sequoia Info, and any other players in this marketplace who wish
to participate.  We will also feature some Primos talks, Unix talks, and
other O/S sessions.

We are looking for speakers who wish to present a 30 to 45 minute presentation.
We need speakers from PRIME (CV & COPM), VMARK, & UNIDATA!
We need speakers who actually USE the products!
We need speakers who know two or more products to do some comparisons!
We need speakers!
All we need is an abstract of your topic -- a short paragraph of what your
talk would cover.  We must have your abstract by August 21st.  You will be
notified by Sept. 5th of acceptance.  In return you will receive a 50% discount
on the cost of the 3 day conference, or the day of your talk for free.

Without you, we have no conference.

You can e-mail, mail, or fax us for further information, to get on our
mailing list, or to get your abstract to us.

FAX.............(213) 740-6096
E-MAIL..........mso@eeyore.usc.edu
Mail............ICON '92
                6435 Densmore Ave.,
                Van Nuys CA  91406
or call.........(213) 740-5335
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: ANDYG@ENS.PRIME.COM (Andrew Griffith)
Subject: Re: PRIME
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:16:28 GMT

Hi, Fran.  Remember me?  Well Mike O'Rear of USC is correctly
informed and I am looking for a new company to work for!

What does Centerline Software, Inc. do?  Are they looking for people
like myself for example?

My home phone is 486-8394.  At PRIME it is 620-2800 X3082.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: ccsmcs@cd4380.ufh.ac.za (Mark Stobbs)
Subject: Help with TCP/IP
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:47:16 GMT

I hope someone can help me with a TCP/IP problem.

We have TCP/IP 2.3.R44.

Our class C network number is 192.82.142 and the Prime's ip number is
192.82.142.5 (p4150.ufh.ac.za).

Nameserver is 192.82.142.9 (cd4380.ufh.ac.za)

Slip connection at our end to another site is 192.96.254.34
Slip connection at other end is 192.96.254.33

PC-Route machine connected to the slip line is 192.82.142.50

A machine at the site on the end of the slip is 146.231.128.1 (class B)

I cannot telnet or ftp from the Prime to any machine on the other side of
the slip line and in fact the machine I need to connect to is a few more
slip's away (used above example because it is our next door neighbor).

Can anyone help me with my HOSTS.TXT file? Also, if I change the file and run
TCP/IPHTU will the changes take effect?

Thanks in advance

Mark
-- 
                _________________________________________
               |  Mark Stobbs    ccsmcs@cd4380.ufh.ac.za |
               |          Computer Centre                |
               |  University of Fort Hare, South Africa  | 
               |_________________________________________|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: CHUCK@pel.ac.uk (Chuck Foster)
Subject: what do we spend our time on ...
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:23:37 GMT

Jac,

I know what you mean. It does get a little depressing to think that all those
years work (okay then, two in my case, plus my three on the degree) will be
going down the drain, so to speak.

I am considering making all my source available so that people can play with
the bits and peices inwhat little time we have left :-) There are quite a
few utilities knocking about from over the years, all of which will be
useless here in a few months.

The one thing that will grate me is the time spent getting my command
environment programs working, the ECL interfacing and and line
monitoring/statistics collection. Sometimes it seems like I have just wasted
my time, though the exploration has taught me a few things along the way :-)

Anyway, I would say that you should spend your time as you want to, and if it
involves writing a mailer then so be it. I used to write things for my little
ZX Spectrum and I didn't consider that portable at the time (though with
these emulators now I'm beginning to wonder!).

So, who wants to write a PRIMOS emulator for the IBMPC? :-)

      Chuck

(just waiting for my Novell PRIMOS.NLM ... :-))
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