HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Form Letter
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:12:27 GMT

Dear xxxxxx:

Your newgroup for alt.yyyy.zzzz will not be honored here, because it was
issued without prior recent discussion in alt.config.  This stance is
necessary to eliminate the mal-formed newsgroups and other chaos that
has been a part of alt-net, and a number of other news-admins have taken
the same position.

This doesn't reflect on the merit, or lack of merit, of the newsgroup
you attempted to create, but simply that you haven't followed accepted
procedure.

It's possible that I've missed the discussion.  If you can point out the
article(s) that I missed, or you propose it and it receives favorable
treatment in alt.config, then I will carry it here.

[I'm not planning to mail this next paragraph to anyone, but it states my
attitude - DMS]

If you give me sh*t in e-mail because I have rejected your newgroup, I
will add it, but in such manner that we won't carry the postings, nor
feed it to downstream sites.

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:34:21 GMT

  Seth L. Blumberg writes:

>I do not believe that the world needs Rush "The Rabid Schnauzer" Limbaugh.
>Any political commentator who inspires such an utter lack of intelligence,
>creativity, and spontaneity in its followers that they choose to call
>themselves "ditto-heads" is a waste of perfectly good protein.
>
>Likewise, I cannot help but think that the net shouldn't waste bandwidth on a
>creature of hysterical spite and malice that was--to borrow a line from the
>dreaded Bruce Becker--created by a bogus newasshole message.

     So, Seth, are you saying that the world needs a radio show host who is 
rational, erudite, thoughtful, open-minded, and open-hearted? Someone, in other
words, from a group which you are so *obviously* a part of?
     Those in glass houses...

                                       Steve
///
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:21:29 GMT

In article <forb0004.92.722302464@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis) writes:
>politics, and you'll continue to have the same problem. It would be nice if 
>you could split it into "politics" and "long-haired-maggot-infested-feminazi-
>environmentalist- wacko's", or some such scheme. 
>

Sorry, the last segment is much too long; please stick to 14 characters or
less: remember, not everyone has BSD namespace.

"Just the facts ma'am"
jem.

-- 
Jonathan Magid     jem@sunSITE.unc.edu       sunSITE Administrator
Virtual pizza Delivery (tm)::faxed in 30 cycles or less or you get it
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: tmiller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Christian Miller)
Subject: Re: Create alt.tv.chips
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:03:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.051451.24493@u.washington.edu> kruegek@stein.u.washington.edu (Kirby Krueger) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.024744.13687@muddcs.claremont.edu> rlinnema@jarthur.claremont.edu (Russ **Crow T Robot** Linnemann) writes:
>>
>>I think an alt.tv.chips group would be a great idea.  After all, there 
>>aren't that many other people in Claremont who I can mention
>>CHiPs around without getting badly flamed.  A new group would be perfect
>>for these discussions.  I'm all for it.
>>--Russ--
>
>Translation: I'm the only one I know that likes the show. Let's make a     
>newsgroup so I can find others who do.

Please learn to _read_ the English language before impulsively translating
it.  "There aren't that many people" does not necessarily exclude a small
% of people devoted to this more "alternative" show.

How would this make alt.tv.chips any different from any _other_ Altnet group?

>
>Excuse me, but shouldn't things get newsgroups that have a lot of interest,
>not things that interest is so sparse that it'd take a worldwide group to
>find other people who share that interest?  And if we start newgrouping
>things like this, we'd open the door for alt.tv.brady-bunch, alt.tv.gilligan,
>and basically any show that anyone can remember.  It makes sense to have 
>groups for shows that have huge viewerships, like trek or twin-peaks (when
>it was on, at least.)  Chips doesn't have this.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just because a show's not on prime-time, or it's 10-15 years old, doesn't
mean people don't watch it.  Read my original post if you want
clarification and statistics.  Anyway, even if what you said actually was
true, maybe you should read something other than alt.config and alt.sex
for a while.  Altnet is abundant with groups discussing things that have
limited followerships, but nevertheless generate stimulating discussion.
Same goes for the whole of Usenet.  To many, this is what news is all about.
Should we disallow stuff like comp.lang.logo simply because Logo is more
of a "sparse interest" language?

>
>Save the altnet!
>

Oh, please. Thus we should continue creating things like alt.cascade and
alt.butt-keg.marmalade to avert _real_ followership of _real_ items, yeah,
right.

Sincerely, 
Tom Miller.
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.games.vgaplanets
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:55:58 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

There is a new play-by-email game called VGA PLANETS. The purpose of
the group is for discussion specific to play of VGA PLANETS. There is
already alot of interest in the game (just check comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
which is currently being used as a place to organize and discuss the
game).

I propose the name alt.games.vgaplanets

-Garrett
From: keeper@lighthouse.caltech.edu (Lighthouse Keeper)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES
Date: 15 Nov 92 13:19:16 GMT
Organization: Rotwang Technologies, plc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lighthouse.caltech.edu
In-reply-to: jordan@cs.tulane.edu's message of Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:40:56 GMT

I support the alt.werewolves group, if it is not already too late.
--
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: alt.saturday.night.live
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:52:03 GMT

Tim Pierce:
 >>No, indeed.  That's a good point.  The only reason I can think of is
 >>if SNL has a large following outside of the U.S., which seems to me
 >>possible but unlikely.

jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr) writes:
 >I agree.  us.tv.snl sounds good.

This is encouraging -- US stuff proposed for alt.* going to us.* before
the Great Unrmgroupable occurs.  Everything in its right place, etc.

Have a nice newsgroup. :-)


--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:29:18 GMT

In article <9884@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:

>In article <Bxw0uC.Dxn@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>> It's quite clear that the only
>> reason people like Becker have any kind of "power" around here is
>> because we, as system managers, have quietly given it to him by
>> default.
>
>You've actually raised an interesting concept with this discussion.  The
>concept of what the "USENET" really is.  Each site can manipulate "USENET"
>into it's own image, more or less.

Sure.  Usenet -- and altnet -- are collectively nothing more than the
newsgroups that propagate across them.  Is rec.audio part of Usenet?
Sure.  Is alt.flame.hairy-douchebag.meredith-tanner part of altnet?
I'd say no, even though I know of a few sites that actually created it
(notably VMS on autopilot).  Each site, then, is simply a tiny little
piece of Usenet.

>So nobody
>really has any "power" over the USENET, with the exception of the influence
>over one's downstream sites.  But given the reality of several Internet feed
>sites that many sites have, even that "power" has been diluted.

That's correct.

>So when I see newgroups/rmgroups for alt.graphics week after week, for example,
>I have to ask myself why anyone bothers.  But, then again, if they didn't
>have the illusion of this exercise, they might be out participating in gangs,
>selling drugs and getting into all sorts of REAL trouble. ;-)

Jef's position on that is that anarchy does not mean "no rules," but
rather "no rulers."  I think that's exactly what alt is all about.  No
one has "power" over the net, and no one should, but that doesn't mean
that there shouldn't be some sort of moderate courtesy regarding group
creation or deletion.

I wonder if the newgeeks would say that the existence of
alt.flame.hairy-douchebag.meredith-tanner means that sites should
automatically honor rmgroups, since no one should have the "power" to
keep such a group in existence.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mpitche5@mach1.wlu.ca (mark pitcher 9208 U)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.PSYCHOTRONIC
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:01:59 GMT

	ALT.PSYCHOTRONIC will not fit into alt.cult-movies because a.c-m
deals with individual films, while psychotronic itself is a genre of its
own. Logically, there is no place in a.c-m for discussing an entirely
separate genre. Psychotronic films may not be entirely popular now, but they
will be shortly - especially if they have their own environment to be
discussed in relation to other films of the same type. 



-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

						-Mark A. Pitcher

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From: shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.discordia
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Alt.Spam
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:39:29 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

IO20650@MAINE.MAINE.EDU wrote:
: We of the Spam loving minority wish a Newsgroup of our own.  We want a place
: where Spam can be slung freshly everyday, for all to see and gawk at!.  We are
: perfectly serious.  We only want ONE measly alt group, not the many, many that
: our sla...er members suggested.  Spamists arise!  Post your support for all to
: screem at!!

If you're running low, go to the store,
Carry some money, to help you buy more,
The key is there to open the can,
The can is there to hold in the Spam

				"Spam" - 'Weird Al' Yankovic.
				 
--
And the dandy isn't sure,		| Antony J. "Doppelganger" Shepherd
If there's a cure for his malaise,	| shepa@essex.ac.uk
Another pie in the face,		| ---------------------------------
Another time, and another place...	| "Dandy in Disguise" - Steve Wynn
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: CREATE alt.tv.chips!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:05:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.062651.1926@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tmiller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Christian Miller) writes:
>Someone please, CREATE alt.tv.chips!!!
>[deleted]
>So what DO y'all say? Anybody ready to create this group?
>

Nope.


TTFN,
M
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:57:25 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

I still support the idea of a group for ALL people-testing systems,
not just personality.  However, it seems I am alone.  I would join a
group called alt.psychology.psychometrics, where we could discuss  
personality typing systems, as well as other difficult-to-quantify 
human qualities, like IQ.  These topics are strongly related, and I
feel that the group should include all the tests designed to quantify
these things which are usually left to subjective interpretation.

-sz
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.music.alternative,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: alt.rnr.punk is in alt.hardcore..
Originator: tphailey@c00092-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:01:53 GMT


 
|> >> Ok next newsgroup.  How about someone creating alt.music.punk or 
|> >> rec.music.punk????
|> >
|> >My goodness me!  Someone else actually supporting this one.
|> >
|> >Well good.  Maybe it might even come about this time round.
|> 
|> well guys... lets just take alt.music.hardcore over... punk seems to be
|> winning compared to hardcore.. well, I used to call DK and MDC hardcore..
|> umm.. but I guess skinny puppy is hardcore now... oh well.. 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622 
|> SysAdmin <-> Super Dimension Fortress PAU 
|> 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org - "Put in a quarter and play road rally." - Descendents 
|> 

Well, what's really the difference between punk and hardcore. I mean, I've 
heard lots of people call the DKs punk and then I've heard them called 
hardcore. It seems to me that most people that like one like the other. 
One could argue that punk is faster and sloppier than hardcore, but that's 
not always the case. I'm just happy that a group exists that can be used
for the discussion of either one. If we keep trying to get more and more
specific we're going to start opening groups that have little or no traffic
because it's too specific. Just post about what you want and ignore that 
which you don't like. It's not too much trouble.

TOMASS
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: alt.saturday.night.live
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:37:42 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>No, indeed.  That's a good point.  The only reason I can think of is
>if SNL has a large following outside of the U.S., which seems to me
>possible but unlikely.

Europe and the BBC both show SNL... and it's been going for over 15
years.  There's a lot of emmigrants out there. 
-- 
The coast was clear.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger)
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Organization: University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:01:38 GMT

In article <168A3B412.TKOZMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>,
TKOZMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes...
>>The larger issue, though, is why
>>anyone would actually devote the time and effort to summarizing over 15
>>hours of radio broadcasts every week.

In article <1992Nov19.122714.2899@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:
>The way you word your statement, it appears to me as though you feel that John
>has some ulterior motive to what he does. Tell me that this is not so!

Nah, actually he probably just thinks John is a loonie.  Can you blame
him?  :-)

=============================================================================
-Mike Kienenberger                       FXMLK@ALASKA           (BITNet)
 Academic Computing                      FXMLK@acad3.alaska.edu (Internet)
 News Administrator                      mike@raven.alaska.edu (also news@)
 University of Alaska-Fairbanks
 "I'm a computer programmer....<link><link><kludge><kludge> say-no-more!"
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Spam group
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:34:29 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Personally, given what I have seen, alt.religion.spam seems appropriate; the
only difference between the new group and alt.spam.tin is the Church of Spam
angle (come to think of it, alt.church-of-spam [that's 14 exactly, namespace
gods] would do too).


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.magnus.and.ketil
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: The name "alt.m&k" contains an illegal character.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:27:42 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657
Followup-To: alt.magnus.and.ketil

magnus@ii.uib.no wrote in <1992Nov15.032731.1668@alf.uib.no>:

| However in this case it was unintentional, and I apologize. I should
| have applied the strategy with more care.

Apology accepted; you haven't fully used up your allotment of benefit of the
doubt quite yet.

| Perhaps changing the header
| so as to avoid the message getting to your site.. 

... or maybe you have.

| I'm using an automatic citer under Emacs, SuperCite.

REALLY?  NO.  It *couldn't* be.  I mean, you used my entire spaceless
parenthetical name plus a greater-than-sign plus a space as your citation
prefix for my words (or, the last time, for words you were calling mine),
and now you're saying that it's the work of SuperCite?  WOW.

| 	DWT> posted from Amherst College.  I've never even *visited*
| 	DWT> central Massachusetts, much less had net access there.

| I sense a hidden jealousness deep within you! You wish you'd had an
| account there. I bet you do, you pervert!

"Jealousness"?  Is that Norwegian for "envy"?  It certainly isn't English for
"jealousy" but I don't know how much English you've studied.

No, I am not envious of anyone else for having visited central Massachusetts
nor for having net access at Amherst.

Yes, I'm a pervert, but my perversions are irrelevant to this discussion.

| Now I bet you'll refuse you ever said this either!

No, I did say that.  ("Refuse" must be Norwegian for "deny".  In English it
means "garbage".)  I hope for your sake that no one took that bet, because
you'd have lost.

| Next post you'll say you _have_ been in M. !!

However, you were right about one thing: this is my next post to this thread,
and I am going to say that I have been in Massachusetts.  However, it was a
one-day visit to Lexington and I got nowhere near Amherst.  I've been in
Massachusetts but never in central Massachusetts.

Follows-up only to alt.magnus.ketil.and.fluffy, please.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:02:18 EST
From: <BTM105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: NewGroup ALT.LOVEBOAT

How about alt.loveboat for a newsgroup?
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.tv.snl (was Re: alt.saturday.night.live)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:45:31 GMT

In article <BxzI67.D21@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes:

>In article <BxyzA0.F0G@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>That's a shame, isn't it?  Lots of people don't get alt groups, but
>>that doesn't mean that rec.arts.tv.snl is warranted.
>
>I think I'm as US as you can get, and we don't get us.* groups either.
>Neither does Northwestern University in Evanston, IL as far as I know.

So?  Ask your system manager if it's a possibility.  Write to Jamie
Gritton (gritton@byu.edu) for information on getting a us.* feed.

>But, I guess large midwestern universities doesn't count.

Place has nothing to do with it.  Mount Holyoke College down the way
gets fj.* news.

>How many
>non-us (and non-us.*) people out there want this in alt?

We're not carrying us.* at the moment, and it hadn't even occurred to
me to look into getting it when I suggested that.  (I've made
arrangements to have it fed here, though.  As soon as I have time I'll
finish setting it up.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
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From: fortune7@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.WEREWOLVES
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 12:28:21 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.154810.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
> 
> >I would like to propose an alt.werewolves newsgroup. 
> 
> I like the idea, but for sanity's sake, how about
> alt.horror.werewolves, or alt.gothic.werewolves?  (Or whatever is most
> appropriate.)  If that goes over well, I'll propose moving
> alt.vampyres into the same hierarchy, and see how that idea is
> received.

I would like to voice my support for alt.horror.werewolves, and I like 
the idea of moving alt.vampyres into the alt.horror.[etc] hierarchy.


[-] You...you bloated EEDIOT!!! [-] Ren - Ren-n-Stimpy

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From: jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:48:52 GMT
Organization: Vector Zero

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

> > I'm working on a Becker-Be-Gone script which will rmgroup
> > any addgroup that he sends.
>       ^^^^^^^^
> BTW, what the hell is an addgroup?

     And not only that, rmgroups are pointless.  What's the purpose
of this (or any) rmgroup war other than to boost the ejaculate
of those waging it?

     rmgroups are ignored by Cnews, right?  Then what good will it
do to post them, especially over and over.  One newgrp and the
group is created.  A million and one rmgroups won't remove it.

     This gets really tiring really fast.

--Jon

   jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US                     Life is like a kiwi.
   Becker's immature, but
   Palmer's an ass.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: moving alt.vampyres -> alt.horror.vampyres
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:37:04 GMT

I disapprove of the term "horror."

Regards
-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.radio.pirate,alt.radio.scanner
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: CFD: alt.radio.sw
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:07:42 GMT

Any interest out there in a group devoted to shortwave?
We don't get the rec.* hierarchy here, so no rec.radio.shortwave.

Rich
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