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From: idfriedm@hertz.uwaterloo.ca (id friedman)
Subject: Re: Murder at Montreal's Concordia U
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:51:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.141923.2878@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>In article <Btq889.791@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> idfriedm@hertz.uwaterloo.ca (id friedman) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.210810.5751@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>>>Two professors are dead, a secretary and two other professors are
>>>badly wounded, at the Engineering Faculty of Montreal's English
>>>language Concordia University.
>>>
>>>Canada's major newspapers report that the police have arrested a
>>>disgruntled engineering professor, who had earlier protested that he
>>>had been victimized by his colleaguse, who, he said, had plagiarized
>>>his work and denied him tenure.
>>>
>>>On the front page, _The Globe and Mail_, Canada's self-confessed
>>>"national" newspaper, announces that the arrested man is one  V.
>>>Fabrikant, whom they name a Russian Jew.
>>>-- 
>>>Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
>>>Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
>>>University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
>>>Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
>>
>>
>>This group is soc.culture.jewish. What does a crazy guy in Concordia have
>> to do with this newsgroup. He happens to be Jewish, that's all. It has
>>nothing to do with jewish culture.
>>
>>The same thing goes for Woody and Mia. He's Jewish. But why is the debate
>>on jewish.culture?
>>
>>Ishay 
>>
>
>
>I'm sorry I was not clearer; I was trying, I suppose, for bitter
>irony, not for news of egg creams.
>
>Here is my point: in reporting a murder that, so far as we know and so
>far as the newspaper knew HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR RELIGION, the
>_Globe_ nonetheless took pains, on the front page, to tell us that the
>accused was Jewish.  This, to make my point clear enough for Ishay, is
>not good for the Jews.  (Neither, I hasten to say, was the murder
>itself.)

 I'm sorry. Now that I am rereading your posting, I realize that I should
 have seen the intent. I agree with you that this was stupidity on the part
 of the Globe.

 However, to be fair, quite often they will ** not ** mention the religous/
 ethnic identity of someone who is portrayed in a negative light. For example,
 I don't think they mentioned that Milken and his gang were Jewish.... 

 Ishay



>-- 
>Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
>Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
>University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
>Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Popes?
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:41:45 +0200
Keywords: Jewish pope
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Aug24.171033.14704@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.170140.16738@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:
>> Have their been previous popes who were born Jewish?
> 
> I assume Peter was.


On the subject of Peter, according to the New Testament, he was chosen by Jesus 
to be the "keeper of the keys of heaven". This bears a striking resemblance to
the pagan Egyptian character Petra who was chosen by Osiris to be door-keeper
of heaven and the afterlife. So it would appear that the Christian Peter is
largely a myth. 

Was there a historically verifiable "Jewish" pope ever?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: re: wedding on Saturday??
From: ToraByte <CFRQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 11:39:03 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

 Kiddush is a type of sanctification. However, it's not the same. Hashem was
the one who sanctified the day (see Bereishis 2:3). In a sense, our 'kiddush'
is an acknowledgement and recreation of that kiddush that Hashem made. The
type of 'kiddush' that is not permitted is originating a 'kiddush' that didn't
exist before.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Se`udat haMafseket
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:43:46 GMT

weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>Filling up on starches (potatoes, noodles, etc) are a good idea, as they
>take longer to break down.  Meat, spices, and sweets should be limited.
>You should have your big meal as a somewhat late lunch, and a small meal
>an hour or so before the fast.

Why an hour or so before the fast?  Your fast always begins immediately
after your last morsel of food.  Why not eat right up to the permitted
limit?

>Another good idea is to just learn to tame your appetite.  Non-Lubavitchers
>who daven at a Lubavitch shul on Shabbos, for example, frequently don't
>get to eat until 1-ish.  (As is well known, the Lubavitcher minhag is to
>stoke up on cakes and brownies early Shabbos morning, and daven 10-ish.
>This only keeps them going until musaf.)  Do that year round, and YK goes
>over fairly easily, hungerwise.

Aren't we supposed to refrain from eating before shacharit?  Many have
different limits as to what one may partake of.  For example, some allow
coffee but without sugar or milk.  Others may permit the additives.  Some
have juice.  But I thought all agreed on cake.

When I miss the hashkama minyan and have to go to one that may end too
late for me to get home and start eating before chatzot (halakhic noon),
I make sure to drink something in the morning so as not to be fasting
on Shabbat.  If the need to eat cake arises from this same priciple, then
wouldn't a better solution be simply to start davening earlier?

-Don Gertler
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Gut Yuntif Gut Yohr
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:23:12 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology

I came across a very odd collection of Yiddish poetry and songs.  Marie
B Jaffe GUT YUNTIF GUT YOHR (Carol, 1991) $7.95 [ISBN 0-8065-0390-4] is
a mixture of translations and original verse, all rather tacky or merely
weird from the Yiddish point of view.  She uses the Latin alphabet.

The translations come with English originals.  Here are a few--see if
you can identify the originals:

	Affen shpitz Alten Smoky, beshoten mit shney,
	Dort hob ich ferloiren mein liebsten, oi veh!

	Ver is Sheyndeleh?  Vos is zie, ... ?

	Nehnter zich, liebeh viegeleh,
	Kum tzu mir und fier mir aheym;

	Oi gib mir ah heym vu die bufloksen geyn,
	Vu die hirshelach shpielen oif's land;

	'Sis geven erev krismes, und shtil is in heizel,
	Kein nefeshel rirt zich, afileh kein meizel.

The following is from one of the author's own:

	Hob rachmohnes, chaver mein,
	Zei bei mir ah Valentine.

Usually one talks about losing something in translation.  This book is
an example of gaining something in translation.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: South Florida
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:23:41 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article N6V8PB2w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu, murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu () writes:
>I'm a bit ashamed as to how much emphasis has been placed on the sordid 
>Woody Allen affair, as compared to NOTHING about the thousands of Jews 
>suffering in the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew.  ...
>People are starving in Homestead and Southern Miami, and many are Jews -- 
>what are we doing about the government paralysis in assisting them.
>While here so many are so self serving in considering their fellow 
>brother in Bosnia without racism, what about your fellow Jew in Florida?


The situation of the people in south Florida suffering from Hurricane
Andrew is not really one that can be discussed on the net - I mean,
what can one say about it?  It's not like a political situation that
can be discussed.  Just because there haven't been postings on this
issue doesn't mean that people aren't giving money or making other
efforts to help.  Remember, one isn't supposed to brag about giving
charity.

********************************************************************************
Janice Gelb                  | (415) 336-7075     
janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com   | "A silly message but mine own" (not Sun's!) 
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From: zmood@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jewish Student Organisations(WUJS,EUS)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:29:53 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I am interested in hearing from any students involved with W.U.J.S. or any
other Jewish student group. I'm heavily involved in the Australian Union of
Jewish Students (AUJS) and would like to find out about other such
organisations. If any one feels like it, I would appreciate an article on your
organisation that I could publish in AUJS's magazine. 

Dan. Zmood
From: blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: re: SUTIN woody
Date: 25 Aug 92 10:14:02 -0500

Educate yourself, most abusers are
straight males.
From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Should a Jew settle in Israel?
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8349]: bourbon
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:56:40 GMT

In article <4151@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:
>In article <199208301440.AA08844@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>>>>The question is not whether Jews should live in Israel, rather why should
>>>>a Jew live outside of Israel. According to Rambam, living in Israel is a
>>>>postive commandment for which there are only three exceptions: finding a
>>>>wife, to study with an outstanding rabbi, or for short-term business needs.
>>>
>>>And, as Rambam was not living in Israel at the time, the fourth reason?
>>
>>May I suggest a few possible answers:
>>
>>1.   As polygamy  was allowed,  the RAMBAM  was still  looking for  an
>>additional perfect wife.
>>
>
>>2.   As he was every day with Maimonides, this  could be considered
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>>"to  study   with  an  outstanding   Rabbi",  even  if  some   of  his
>>contemporaries did not think so highly of that Rabbi.
>>
>
>>have judged living in Israel as being specially dangerous.

Hey, folks! Michael was kidding with all this! (I think -smiley).

Really, I thought it was funny.

David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:08:27 GMT

rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>What is "your own group"?  As far as I'm concerned, the only group (as
>opposed to those organizations which I voluntarily associate with) to
>which I really belong is the human race.

What you seem to be saying is that the only group to which you belong
involuntarily is the human race.  Well, it seems to me you have left
out a whole host of other supersets.  You are a member of the order
Primates, for example, and the class Mammalia.  You are also a member
of the animal kingdom.  Likewise, we can take subsets of what you
implied was the smallest group to which you are necessarily a member,
and you would still be a member.  You may be white or black, for
example.  You may be American.  You may also be a member of the
group of American males who reside in [your state here], wear glasses
and eat pasta at least once a month.  You may also be a member of the
group defined as Jews by Jewish law.  You may not like this, or you
may just not enjoy being labelled or grouped by others, but that is
a far cry from not being a member of ("belonging to") a group, however 
arbitrarily defined.

>Quite frankly, I get worried
>when I see people emphasize group affiliation, because it tends to
>emphasize group exclusion, which leads to ignorance and intolerance (and
>worse...).

I see your point, but I have to disagree.  You are setting up a straw
man.  I've discussed this topic often, but from a different point of
view.  I have a problem with people who feel that they must disparage
other groups in order to build up their own.  If one is proud to be a
member of one's group, he/she should stress its positive aspects rather
than the negatives of all others.  The former emphasizes inclusion,
while the latter stresses exclusion.

If I want to express to my kids why I'm proud to be a Jew, I will
not say that the non-Jews are evil.  First, because I don't believe
that, and second because I would sound as if I'm speaking at the
Republican convention.  Where's the beef?  And what happens when
the inevitable evil Jew appears?  What do I say then?

No.  There are many wonderful aspects of Jewish life.  I want my
kids to experience Shabbat, with the whole family together.  No
faking it with the TV.  I want them to feel the love of Jewish
life, and with it the responsibilities to one's people, family and
self.  In short, the "family values."  [Pat Buchanan, eat your
heart out.  Oops!  I guess I slipped. :-)]

>This doesn't mean I'm going to push people to "assimilate"
>who don't want to, but I expect them to show me the same courtesy and
>not push me around either.

I don't push.  Well, maybe just a little.

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Hebrew School
Reply-To: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:58:03 GMT


Several weeks ago, there was a discussion here on scj about Hebrew School
and the general consensus was most people -hated- going.

Was there -anything- you liked about attending?  Any technique the teacher
used that caught and held your attention?

What specifically did you -hate- ?  I know it kept you from playing with
your friends for a few hours, but what specifically in the way you were
taught did you -hate- ?

I'll be teaching second grade (mostly 7 and 8-year olds) Hebrew School
this term.  Among the subjects I am responsible for are Torah, Mitzvot,
Holidays and AlefBet. Classes will be 2 hours long.

I want to make Hebrew School enjoyable for my students. Do you have any
suggestions? 

Marlene J. Miller
aa324.yfn.ysu.edu
-- 
         No nation can long survive without pride in its traditions.
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Woody etc.
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:13:18 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In: <5479@shum.huji.ac.il>
aplebaum@shum.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) states:

>In article <1992Aug20.182513.8080@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mi
>|>
>|> Let others debate the question of whether this constitutes incest;
>|> surely the question that WE must pose is:
>|> will she convert?
>
>First, I'd like to see Woody convert ...
>(he doesn't act/talk like a jew)

Wot?   Who does not act/talk like a Jew?

>/// Hillel P. Applebaum	     |>>    ISRAEL - where all

     Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Organization: Lost in NYC
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:26:06 GMT


Ok, so we discussed to death the qualities and merits of the
carbonated liquid that must be used, and the brand of chocolate syrup.
But nobody discussed the milk!  Can any milk be used (i.e. skim, 2%,
etc.) or does it have to be whole (fatty) milk?

I mean, if I could get away with skim milk I would; who needs the
extra calories?

How about just taking some Canfield's Diet Fudge Soda and adding some
milk to it? ;-)



-- 
Internet: stevef@bony1.bony.com   |  ____________________________
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:02:34 GMT

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>In article <87748@netnews.upenn.edu> kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
>(Krzysztof W. Kniaz) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep2.165613.18689@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>Speaking about distorting someones views: discussion was about Polish
>>goverment AFTER WWI, not about some medieval king or duke.
>>Polish goverment AFTER WWI (=BEFORE WWII) did not authorise any
>>pogroms nor any discrimination. It was illegal and punishable.
>>However goverment did nothing to stop harassment sponsored by some
>>right wing parties and some of the christian merchants. (We're talking
>>about economical rivarly).
>>Russian goverment (Tzarist) supported and organized pogroms, moreover
>>introduced laws discriminating settlment of Jews.

>>If you say, you don't see a difference - I say :take a history class,
>>if you then change the subject to medieval time, now its a distortion
>>isn't it?

>Of course I see a difference.  I wouldn't, however, be proud of either.

>>Nor is mnie, but shall I remind you what sparked the whole discussion?
>>Someone posted a letter to the canadian newspaper , protesting 
>>against the expression" Polish Death Camps", instead of the correct form
>>"Nazi-German Death Camps"; and what did you do? You said : Canadian
>>Newspaper should keep writing about Polish Death Camps, because of the
>>Polish complicity in the holocaust. Now that is a blunt distortion!

>Your record is unblemished.  In addition to distorting 50 year old
>history, you are able to distort 5 day old history.  All I was saying
>was that the newspaper's choice of words was technically,
>syntatctically, and semantically correct and defensible.  The camps
>were on Polish soil.  That they didn't chose to find a phrase
>euphamistic enough to further minimize the connection between Poland
>and the camps should bother no one other than distorters, apologists,
>and revisionists.

>>That's way I do not see any difference between you and some Polish
>>apologist: you clearly distort the history! I am not denying crimes
>>commited on Jews by some Poles. I understand , you don't deny
>>many counts of help from Poles toward Jews either.
> ^^^^
>"many" is a relative term.  Unless quantifiable, it is superfluous.

>>                                                   But your statement
>>supporting the name of "Polish Death Camps" is an insult to both Jews
>>and Poles who were killed by Nazis.

>To Poles, especially those with revisionist motives, it certainly is.  To
>Jews ... NOT!
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton

Sam, do you also call jewish cemeteries in Poland "polish cemeteries",
since they're on polish soil?

MB
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Conversion of a Child
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:02:11 GMT

In article <9208281222.AA29538@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Lynda Mackey <mackey@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>I am seeking information on what some of the issues are regarding
>conversion of a 13-year-old child to Judaism.
>
>My son wants to convert, but as yet is not strongly knowledgeable
>about Judaism.

Lynda:

I am a conservative Jew so will attemot to answer from that
perspective.

First, before converting to Judaism, a person should be knowledgable
about Judaism.  That involves a lot or reading, study, practice of
some of the customs, and generall, gathering enough knowledge to be
able to make an intelligent choice.

From your mail header, you are posting via Ohio State.  Steve
Abrams is the rabbi and director of the Bnai Brith Hillel student
organization at OSU, and in my opinion a very knowledgable and very
nice, approachable person.   I suggest you and your son approach him
with your questions.  A rabbi is someone trained to understand
Judaism from many aspects, and a rabbi would have to be involved
in any conversion.

Another conservative rabbi here in Columbus is Harold Berman
(253-8523) at Congregation Tifereth Israel on East Broad about
a mile east of the inner-belt.

Traditionally, rabbis will discourage someone trying to convert,
probably because only someone who is very sincere will stay the
course after being discouraged.

The typical procedure is to study under the tutelage of a rabbi and
possibly other teachers, until the person and the rabbi both believe
the person is ready to convert.  There is no specific amount of time
for this.  It could be months or years.  The convert must sincerely
wish to convert, discarding any other religions, must undergo a
ritual circumcision (if already circumcized, there is a ritual
procedure which does not replicate the circumcision, but does draw a
drop of blood), must immerse in a "mikveh" -- a small pool of water,
which is used for spiritual cleansing, and must "pass" an
examination by a Jewish "court" -- usually three rabbis who assure
themselves that a certain degree of knowledge has been acquired and
that the person intends to live his life as a Jew, and follow Jewish
laws.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: A few questions
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:26:19 GMT

So my boss and I were talking about bringing some celebrations of Jewish
holidays into Hart House, the student union here at U of T...

Me:  Well, what about Purim.  Fun, exciting, a great story behind it.  We can
	call it the Festival of Killing All your Enemies Before They Kill You!

Boss:  Um, well, maybe not Purim.  What about Chanukah?

Me:  Sure, the Holiday of Cultural Sovereignty?

Boss:  Um...

Me:  Yeah, the Holiday of Armed Rebellion!  The Elephant Gutting Holiday!

Boss:  Maybe it's not such a good idea.

Me:  How about Tu ba-Av?  The Holiday of Picking Up Members of the Opposite
	Sex while Dancing?

Boss:  Just forget it.


Aryk Nusbacher
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast