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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miss state/texas
Keywords: n
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:14:42 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production

>Will anyone share some insight on the upcoming Miss. State/Texas game?
>I'm a displaced bulldog alum.
>
>
>thanks
>Bonzo
>
Well, if Jackie keeps the Horn curse going, Bulldogs by 10...  However,
the game is in Austin, and the Horns are tired of losing to Jackie, so
my money would be with the Cows by 7.

cmuck

ps-  The defenses are going to be the key to this game.  Texas has a
     stout defense as of late, Mississippi State has been living on
     emotion.  If they come out flat, it could be a long day for the
     Bulldogs, if they come out kicking, it should be a great game
     for fans of either side to watch.
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: another good Purdue QB?
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:31:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

I have heard from someone very close to the Purdue team and in contact
with Hunter that he is in very good shape and understands the
offense.  He might live up to the expectations of him from last year,
maybe.  

He might be a surprise for many this year, especially if he has an
offensive line that can block for him.

Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
From: noonan@icd3.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford in top 10?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:03:02 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

}noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
}>I don't know if a top-ten ranking is deserved right now before the season;
}>they are still unproven
}
}Hmm... which teams *are* proven "right now before the season"?

Only Notre Dame.  :) :) :)


Seriously though, "unproven" was a poor choice of words.  I meant it 
only in the sense that their recent history (IMHO) does not bear out a
top-ten rank.  There are some schools, through their performance last
year and the people returning this year that do deserve (IMHO) a top
ten ranking.  I merely added my speculation and opinion to the Stanford
top-ten discussion.  Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.  I actually
have a lot of respect for Stanford.

Restated:  IMHO, Stanford does not (yet) deserve a top ten rank.
           It is also my opinion that they soon will.  We shall see.

-Mike Noonan
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From: Sid Kitchel <kitchel@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Whether to laugh or cry
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:50:42 -0500

ali@lazare.Berkeley.EDU (M. Ali Mansouri) writes:
|>	So I say to our Miss Teresa, you must have one hell of an
|>inferiority complex about yourself and your education to make the 
|>remarks that you did.  People with any shred of dignity and self-
|>respect do not air out their dirty laundry on global nets.

|>A Cal graduate but an okstater at heart,
|>Ali

	You can send the 'poke to Cal, but you can't get the aggie
out of the Cal grad!!! 
	Hey, Ali, at least she was smart enough to stay away from
talking about Dykes!!

						soONEr bred!!!,
						      --Sid

-- 
Sid Kitchel...............WARNING: allergic to smileys and hearts....
Computer Science Dept.                         kitchel@cs.indiana.edu
Indiana University                              kitchel@iubacs.BITNET
Bloomington, Indiana  47405-4101........................(812)334-8100
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From: dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit)
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.143529.27749@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>
>
>>What about the bowl game.  If washington and A&M go thru a soft schedule
>>undefeated, but then play a team with a 'tough' schedule like Miami/FSU?/...
>>and beat them, I think they have proven themselves.  Who did BYU play the
>>year they won the MNC in the bowl game?  Did they have a chance to prove
>>themselves there?
>
>That one is a pretty sore subject with UW fans.  BYU beat a pretty weak
>Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl that year (84?).  BYU won the MNC
>simply because they were undefeated--no attention was given to their
                                      ^-this should read 'much' instead of 'no'. 
>relatively weak schedule.  Washington thumped Oklahoma (who was no. 1 or
>2 at the time) in the Orange bowl and finished no. 2.
>
>
>Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
>jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
>                        
I get a kick out of all the sour grapes on this topic.  Every complaint
I've heard fails to mention that a couple of games into the 85 season, just
a couple of games after winning the MNC, BYU thumped Washington 31-3.
Washington was not locked into the Orange bowl and could have chosen to
play BYU for the MNC, but passed on the Holiday Bowl because of lack of
$prestige.  Any crying by them is just 'sour grapes'.

-- 
  Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
  Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108
From: tonyf@sun1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami players indicted
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:07:27 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

More bad news for the Hurricanes:  WR and All-American candidate Lamar
Thomas and backup RB Jason Marucci were indicted yesterday by a federal 
grand jury on charges of financial-aid fraud.  Both of them claimed on
their financial aid applications that their parents were divorced and that
their families had no income during the years preceeding the application.

Apparently, Thomas and Marucci were singled out among the 65 UM students 
involved in the Pell Grant fraud investigation because they were the only 
ones that did not respond to the letter from the US Attorney's office that
offered protection from indictment if they entered a pre-trial diversion
program and gave full restitution.

Their status with the team is uncertain right now until the players decide
what action to take.  They will have to show up to court on Thursday for
arraignment.

I think it was pretty stupid of them not to join the pre-trial diversion
program, unless they believed that their financial aid applications were
not fraudulent.

The NCAA says that it will not begin its investigation until the Federal
investigation is complete.

Hopefully, things will work out and both players will be allowed to play for
the team this fall.  While Thomas is considered by many UM's best receiver, 
(I personally think Horace Copeland is better), UM is deep enough at that
position that it should not hurt them too much.  UM has also been able to
thrive under situations such as this in the past.

-- 

Tony L. Fernandez

Racal-Datacom, Network Management         Phone: (305) 846-6553
1601 N. Harrison Parkway                  INET : tonyf@sun1.interlan.com
Sunrise, FL 33323-2899

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From: bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John)
Subject: Re: N'western will win MNC
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:43:15 GMT

In a momentary lack of rationality or was it even consciousness <1992Aug19.17495
3.16529@rtsg.mot.com> kaiser@rtsg.mot.com (Bradley G. Kaiser) writes:
[...]
>Our five goals for this season:
[...]
>3) Beat Illinois; it's practically a tradition by now!

As the Great One has so often said...
Aaaaaaaaaaaccckkkkkkkk sppppppppttttttttt!
Good luck on them other ones though! ;-)

JB
UIUC 81,82,89,??
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From: lynn@hssc.scarolina.edu (Lynn Shirley)
Subject: Gamecock uniforms '92
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:28:35 GMT

As USC-East enters the SEC this year, the ath. dept. decided
to take a look at changing the predominant color of the 
football uniforms (colors are Garnet & Black). Black had only
been used predominantly during (late) Joe Morrison's tenure 
in the mid 80s ... at which time we had (relatively)
good success. Morrison's successor (& present coach) Sparky
Woods reverted to a very plain (Alabama style) garnet jersey.
After receiving considerable heat from the fans (a la "If
we can't win let's at least look classy"), we've decided
that since 4 teams in the SEC (Ala., Ark. Miss. St. & Ga.)
already have a shades of red as their predominant color ...
we'd go back to black. Officials commented that black evokes
images of power, domination, aggressiveness, etc.

A local sports writer countered with the fact that the only
2 schools he knew that used predominately black uniforms were
Vanderbilt and Wake Forest !   Hum ....

anyhow, for 1992 the 'Cocks will be back in black.

**********************************************************
Wm. Lynn Shirley - Humanities & Social Sciences Computing Lab
University of South Carolina - Columbia SC 29208 USA
   Phone:  803-777-4590      FAX:   803-777-7489

           lynn@otis.hssc.scarolina.edu                                     
--

**********************************************************
Wm. Lynn Shirley - Humanities & Social Sciences Computing Lab
University of South Carolina - Columbia SC 29208 USA
From: tl01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TAE LEE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: More Bucks news
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:31:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug20.191433.3675@cis.ohio-state.edu>, atchison@bagpipe.cis.ohio
-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>SG>In article <1992Aug20.135732.5476@rtsg.mot.com> gatchall@rtsg.mot.com (Scott
 W. Gatchall) writes:
> **** stuff deleted ****
>
>Dante 'left the team' with the advent of Robert Smith.  His promising flashes
>from 1990 vanished into the relative obscurity of a backup flanker spot.  He
>touched the ball very seldom in '91.  The '92 spring game seemed to solidify
>Brian Stablein and Joey Galloway as the receivers of choice, and I don't think
>Dante caught a ball.  Unless 4 or 5 receviers or 8 running backs get hurt, the
>effect of his loss will be minimal as well.
>
Someone please post latest news on Robert Smith's situation at OSU. Did he
come back or left to Wst-coast (was it Stanford or Berkely?)
How is Buckeyes' RB, FB, QB?  Who are starting this year?

>_______________________________________________________________________________
>            Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>
>Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
>               The plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
>
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 18:01:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug5.113235.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug4.222012.13674@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>> 
>>     I'm not sure I agree, speaking for myself of course.  Besides,
>> we congratulated Shug for his new triple threat offense for 1973. 
>> They added another play to go with the two they had in '72.  What's
>> David Langner doing now anyway, selling shoes?
>> 
>
>EEYOW!  Sounds like someone hit a nerve.  I might as well respond in my
>usual rambling manner:

    Nope, no nerves here to hit.  Ramble on!

>- Bama won the SEC in 72 because they played more Conference games than 
>  most of the other teams.  Bama was 6-1 in the SEC (sole loss to 
>  Auburn - Forget Hell, Punt Bama Punt) while Auburn was 5-1 (LSU
>  and Bert Jones killed us).  I think most of the SEC started playing
>  7 SEC games in 73.  Just about every Bama fan I met back then would 
>  have given up just about anything to get that game back.

    That game is certainly one that stung, if only for the stupidity
in allowing a carbon-copy mistake on two different plays.  Alabama
clearly had the better team but Auburn capitalized on the two major
mistakes of the day and won the game.  That type of mistake was very
uncharacteristic of a Bear Bryant coached team.  Yes, I would have liked to
"get that game back" and no, I for one would not trade the SEC
championship for that single game then or now.

>- There was no need to use the word "threat" with Auburn's 73 offense
>  (or their 91 offense either)

    I was being kind.  Actually, that comment came off of a record
that my dad got as a present after that season.  It had a
"long-distance operator" trying to put a call through to Shug Jordan
from Bear Bryant to congratulate him on hearing about the new
triple-threat offense.

>- That Langner comment was a bit nasty.

    How so?  A bit of humor actually.  I remember seeing an
interview with him somewhere not so long ago but I can't recall
where.  He had his 15 minutes (15 years at Auburn) of fame anyway.

>  And besides, if someone has moments of greatness in college football,
>  what they do later won't change history.  I mean, if David Palmer goes
>  to jail for drunk driving or Siran Stacy goes to jail for ignoring a 
>  court summons, it won't erase their performances at Bama (although at
>  this rate, Bama might have to change their fight song from "Yea Alabama"
>  to "Jailhouse Rock" :-))

    Interesting parallel considering the cinematic potential for a
film about the Auburn Mafia starring Pat "The Godfather" Dye. 
Make 'em an offer they can't refuse.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
Jailhouse Rock ain't a bad song and it doesn't mention the Rose Bowl!
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: aTm over Stanford, ?, !!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Aug 1992 13:12 EST  

In article <77681@ut-emx.uucp>, l0c99@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes...
> 
>1) I welcome an Aggies victory over Stanford. I predict the Aggies win 
>   by a score 35:17. What do you think?
> 
>2) Hadnot wanted to transfer to A&M. Someone said that because he is
>   going to be academic ineligible. From my personal experience, I just 
>   do not see that is reasonable. Who can a guy fail out of UT to be 
>   successful at A&M, even if only acadmic is concerned?
> 

dunno.  Who CAN a guy acadmic successful UT at A&M? 

>Bob
>One of the few Aggie fans at the t.u. campus.

So, which one taught you grammar and spelling?

R Dendy
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug13.192617.10740@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@milton.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes...
#I heard that it was because Miami never wants to play a tough
#team outside of the Orange Bowl 

Rob, Rob, Rob, listening to your fellow inmates at the Golden Dome Sanitarium
again, I see.  Let's see:  @Iowa, @PennState, @Syracuse, and @SanDiegoState.
That's just this year's schedule, too.  What's the purpose of playing
Washington?  To make the schedule tougher?  Kinda silly, I'd say.  The last
time Miami tried such a silly thing, they beat Auburn in the KOC, and went
on to an 8-2 record before losing three consecutive games by two points.
One of which Miami led 31-0 at the half, and a second which Miami led with
seconds to go in the game.  The defense got a little tired after all those
games.

Personally, I think the KOC and the Pigskin are stupid.  Oh, sure, it's nice
to see a game a week before the first one would normally start, but they're
a death knell for the teams that play in them.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@UBVMS.BITNET
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From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.205837.9554@rock.concert.net> black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black) writes:
>In article #17504, Patrick E. Fleming writes:
>
>

>>>Rob Black writes:
>>We . . . have 3 proven QB's coming back 
>>>If there are three of them, what exactly did they prove?
>     - Pat

[NCSU QB Flack.....]

>in the last 2 minutes for a come from behind victory against Marshall.

>week he leads us in another come from behind victory against Duke, scoring
>
>Rob Black                    black@concert.net               Raleigh, NC
>

Yeah, but Rob the real question is: why is State "coming from behind" against
Duke and (who?) Marshall?



-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
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From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: NCSU Game films
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:28:53 GMT


Glenn Tanner posts
<It could be that the reason the Wolfpack is sooooo underrated is that many
<of the sportswriters didn't see a single game of their glorious 9-2 1991
<season.  Let's say that you have videotapes of all 11 games.  If you can
<send a tape of just one game out to show all of these ignorant fools the
<error of their ways, which game would you choose?

<GT

<BTW, highlight tapes are not allowed.  Even SMU has a good highlight tape.

   Well Glenn I don't think State is *sooooo* underated. I do think they are 
slightly underated.  All schools who are not perenially in  the top 15 have to
do more to break into the top 20 and one slip and they are back out. I think
tradition determines the preseason poll almost as much as the previous seasons 
record or anticipated success.

   To answer your question though two games come to my mind. The first was The 
Ga. Tech game won by the Pack 28-21, this game pitted the Wolfpack against the
defending National Champs. Since "Injury prone" Terry Jordan (QB) was out it
also pitted twin brothers Geoff and Jason Bender against one another as both 
played as true freshmen, Geoff receiving his first game minutes. The second game 
may come as a suprise because I pick it even though the Pack lost. The 1992 
Peach Bowl, a game that State dominated for over 3 quarters but lost to ECU 
late in the 4th quarter. Three points decided this game on neutral turf, and ECU 
finished the season 11-1 and ranked in the top ten.

   I realize that detractors will point out close games with Marshall, Duke and
Maryland as games we needed to be more comfortable with but it seems that a lot 
of "big time" schools get a scare once in a while. The three losses to Clemson,
UVA (ugh), and ECU were all to teams that have had a lot of recent sucess.
Anyway with the schedule the Pack has this year the opportunity is there for the
Pack to earn respect and I believe that is what the original intent of this
thread was about.
RC
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From: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick)
Subject: My SEC Predictions
Reply-To: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:54:45 GMT

East Finish	West Finish
-----------	-----------
Florida		Alabama
Georgia		Miss. State
Tennessee	Auburn
Vanderbilt	LSU
So. Carolina	Arkansas
Kentucky	Ole Miss

SEC Champ:

Alabama - if Barker stays healthy

Watch out for:

Vandy - came within 2 feet of beating Auburn which would have given them a
winning season.  DiNardo currently has the team in a 'boot camp', which was
littered with oranges and "45-0" painted on a scoreboard.

LSU - Curly Hallman is one of the best Coaches in the SEC if not the nation.  If
they can win their opener, look out!  A big plus for them is Bama and Tennessee
at home.
From: demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Pepsi State Bowl Bid (was Re: Miami losing a game)
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:25:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

>According to the Atlanta Constitution, Pepsi State has pulled this
>trick before, arranging an invitation to the 1923 Rose Bowl in the
>spring of 1922!

Which they lost to USC 14-3.  May history repeat itself ...
                          ____                  
Darryl E. Marsee         |    \   1926 CCSG/SCCI 205 Perry Street
Control Data Systems     |  *  \  Robins Air Force Base, GA 31098
demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil  |_____/  demarsee@logdis1.wr.aflc.af.mil
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From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: Hadnot may transfer from UT to A&M
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:34:55 GMT

jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau) writes:

>Today's Austin American-Statesman reported that Butch Hadnot has contacted
>(1) does not seem totally unreasonable at first glance, as Hadnot is a
>pure power runner and Mackovic likes versatile RBs, but Mackovic said
>he has talked extensively with Hadnot about his role on the team, and
>can use him. He had a big (though not as big as Hadnot) back at
>Illinois who set some NCAA record with 8 TDs and 256 yards rushing in
>one game (can't remember his name, an Illinois alum just told me but
>I've forgotten), so it seems reasonable that he will use Hadnot.


The difference between Hadnot and Illinois' Howard Griffith may be
that Griffith had a great pair a hands.  Apparently Hadnot doesn't.

John Althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu



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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: USC Football
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:01:10 GMT

In article <l92j7qINNg4f@spica.usc.edu> valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>>I would love to see 'SC do well. But I don't think it's going to happen.
>
>I think they call a football fan such as you a "fair-weather" fan, rather
>than a "loyal or die-hard fan". But dont worry,most sports fans are!
> 
>Fight On,
>Valdis Kalejs


No sir, we call football fans like him "realists."  We call fans like you blind supporters who will never admit when their team isn't that good.
If he had said, "USC's team isn't very good this year, I think I'll root for Stanford -- they`re in everyone's top 20," then he would indeed be a fair weather fan.  An informed one at that.
But he's still supporting the Trojans, just not expecting deeds that the team probably won't live up to.  

Jason Gische
Go Cardinal
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