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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:35:06 GMT
	<1992Nov6.224639.19117@rtsg.mot.com>
	<1992Nov7.234712.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> <1dm92iINNmbi@uwm.edu>
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Organization: University of Michigan

For as long as I can remember, Michigan has set up a fake play on every extra
point.  Line up everybody but the center and one man about 10 yards wide.  If
the defense doesn't cover the split pack, hike it and pass to a guy behind
the wall.  If they cover the wall, hike to the one guy and have him run it
in.  If they split reasonably, shift back and kick.  In ten years of watching
almost every game, I've seen it used for something other than the kick
*once*, when it worked.  I'd guess some other teams use something similar.

--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Mike.Cook@Mail.Trincoll.Edu (Mike.Cook)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Trinity College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:16:18 GMT


JUST A TEST, SORRY!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: Pac-10 expansion rumors
Reply-To: johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped)
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
	<1992Nov3.193218.5061@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>
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	<1992Nov6.014005.14018@draco.macsch.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.014005.14018@draco.macsch.com> jfc@salmon.macsch.com (Jack Castro) writes:
>Have I missed it in the numerous posts on this topic, or has nobody realized
>that the reason that the PAC 10 wants UT and CU is for TV revenues. UT would
>get the PAC 10 into the largest TV markets in Texas and Colorado. I believe 
>I heard that Texas has three of the top 20 TV markets in the USA with
>Dallas, Houston and San Antonio.
>
>Because of the way TV generates money for the PAC 10, it is now to their
>advantage to get schools from all the major TV markets, so that they can
>be ensured of having several PAC10 games televised each week in as many
>major TV markets as possible.
>

and, of course, there is huge pot of extra tv money generated by the playoff
game the pac-12 could have thanks to ncaa's "12-team football conferences
may have a divisional playoff" rule.  this is why the sec expanded to 12
teams.  it makes me curious why the big10/11 doesn't do the same thing ...
though i guess that the big10/11 is also about the only major basketball
conference in the country without a postseason tournament.

>By the way, this is the way I heard it from the "Sports Babe" on KJR
>radio in Seattle.
>-- 
>
>Jack Castro                  E-MAIL: j_castro@macsch.com
>(All opinions expressed are my own and not my employers.)
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Verbal Bashing Of Miami
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:31:54 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <BILLMS.92Nov13103605@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>
>Miami comes in, wins consistently and often kicks the shit out of other
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(often good) teams, and then insults them with showboating and taunts.  Then
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>you get upset that the loser, and their fans, wont kiss the 'Canes ass.  I
>get the feeling your going to have to wait a long time.
>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
>	Bill Mangione-Smith
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu


Yep, Bill, you are very very damn exactly right about this.  If the Canes
(and their fans) get a hold of themselves after kicking other teams's asses,
may be they'd get more respect and less flames.


One would never never get adoration, admiration, respect and recognition by
insulting the lost opponents and their fans.


- Louis


P.S.  When's the last time Wolverine won a game and insult its opponent?


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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Washington vs. Arizona
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.234015.28427@u.washington.edu>  
baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian) writes:

> Couple of good things came out of this:
>  1) The dispute over who's #1!!

If this is indeed a good thing - I'd have to say that I, along
with other folks, am rooting for as many teams as possible to 
finish the season with perfect records, if just to further expose
the sham of the pollsters that is the MNC race.

Hmm.  Arizona...almost The STATE of College Football?

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
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Subject: Re: ND/PSU--third time's a charm?
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:59:54 EST

In article <92315.145513JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>In article <1992Nov9.214653.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, traynor@fnalo.fnal.gov says:
>>Oh _puhleeeeaaase_ let's beat Penn State this year........
>>
>Oooh, Mike, be careful.  You don't want to set you goals too high, now
>do you?

Well, you know, with Fayak injured, Notre Dame might have a chance... ;-)

------------
Kurt Ludwick
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: graf@felix.engin.umich.edu 
Subject: Michigan, the leaders and the best
Originator: graf@felix.engin.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:32:45 GMT


Reading all this Michigan-Purdue postings caused me to write.  If Michigan had been playing at home, I would bet that they would have won by at least 24 points.  With the exception of Florida State, Michigan won all it's home games for the past two years.  
I think Alabama is a good team, but over all Michigan should still be number 3.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: Luck in College Football
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:40:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.183253.4380@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>There has been a lot of talk on the net about the Hurricanes and
>their incredible LUCK this season, all the games they should
>have lost etc.
>
>I'm a little confused.  When exactly is something that happens
>luck and when isn't it.  If those two missed field goals that
>prevented a tie and a loss was just Canes luck, was everything
>else they did also a bunch of luck?
>
The best example really comes from the game of golf.
Someone hits the ball a hundred yards and it stops one inch from the hole,
"What a great shot!".  Someone hits the ball a hundred yards and it lands
in the hole, "What luck!"
From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:12:05 GMT
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc.

In article <cls4.721322494@Isis.MsState.Edu> cls4@ra.msstate.edu (Charles L. Spirrison) writes:
>
>
>A. On October 1, the Mississippi State Bulldogs POUNDED the Florida Gators.
>   ... it wasn't even close.  Shane was simply rattled by the defense.
>B. Mississippi State is currently 7-2.  The Gators are 6-2.
>C. Florida is ranked 13 by USA Today/CNN, 11 in the AP.
>D. Mississippi State is ranked 16 in each poll.
>
>  .... something is wrong here
>
>Also, it'll be interesting to see what happens as Bulldogs take on Bama.  
>Logic dictates a 'Bama victory - but Jackie's troops play very well when
>cast as underdogs (esp. at home).  -  My guess:  Offense is the key for
>State.  QB Plump (or his sub) must have a good game.  A number of completions
>will be needed to keep the Alabama defense honest, and to insure a productive
>running game.  State's defense is good enough to keep the Alabama scoring down
>PROVIDED that the defense isn't on the field much over half of the game.
>The Bulldogs can win this game (with a little luck).  Maybe THEN they'll be
>ranked over Florida!
>
>cls4@ra.msstate.edu               GO BULLDOGS!

You know what really ticks me off is that Florida moved UP to 11 from 14 after
having to come from BEHIND against Southern Miss. (an UNRANKED team)
Florida did NOT even come close to the point spread : 13 1/2  and they still moved up.

No justice, Southern Miss only plays Division I schools and get nada, while the
big boys (Miami,Bama,Mich) get to play some divison II schools and coast in the
standings.

BTW when will the Bulldog come south and play USM for the state title? Or if Hattiesburg
is too far to travel how bout Jackson?? 


Go Eagles!
Go Big Gold!

Huett Bishop
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:46:30 CST
From:         Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Buff Bits
Newsgroups:   rec.sport.football.college

>In article <1992Nov12.033946.7982@ncar.ucar.edu>, ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu
>(Ethan Alpert) says:
>
>        CU's six turnovers against Nebraska played no small part in the Buffs
>unraveling in Lincoln. Against the Cowboys, though, a conservative game plan,
>pressure by the CU front seven and a rabid secondary helped turn the turnover
>dilemma around.
>
>        OSU freshman quarterback Gary Porter threw five interceptions to go
>along with just five completions, as Deon Figures and Greg Lindsey grabbe to
>picks apiece. The defensive line, though, deservesjmuch of the credit for
>forcing Porter to throw ill-advised after ill-advised pass.

Now just read this back to me and describe the typical Colorado fan hypocrisy
to me in your own words.  Why are turnovers he large part of your loss
to Nebraska, which you seem upset about, but when you do it to OSU then
your defense deserves credit for 'forcing' them.

Let me tell you, I was at that game and your team was dominated on both
sides of the line.  Your quarterback didn't have the time or composure to
deal with the rush we put on him and ours was cool under pressure.  Had
we played Mike Grant, you would have seen him put up a Detmerlike performance
too - I guarantee it, look at the Washington films of him.  You got beat
on the offense and defense lines against Nebraska, just like what you did
to OSU yourselves last week.  I just wish you would see the similarities
that occur when one team is superior to another.

I vowed not to enter this stupid flame war and lower myself to the Njan
like levels of most of your fellow Buff supporters, but this has just
pissed me off.  When we got pounded by Washington and Miami last year
we admitted they were better and complimented the achievements of their
programs.  You were better than us two years ago, about even with us
last year, but please admit this year, we are a level above you.

Bapi

ps - Why couldn't a few more of you be more like Kevin Rodgers?  I see
     him as the only adult in a playpen of juvenile Buffalo fans...

>Ethan Alpert  internet: ethan@ncar.ucar.edu | Standard Disclaimer:
>Scientific Visualization Group,             | I represent myself only.
>Scientific Computing Division               |-------------------------------
>National Center for Atmospheric Research, PO BOX 3000, Boulder Co, 80307-3000
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Sad Anniversary this Saturday
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:51:52 GMT


This Saturday, November 14, marks the 22nd anniversary of the worst 
sports-related disaster in American history.  On this date in 1970, a Southern 
Airways DC-10 carrying the Marshall University football team, coaching staff, 
and most of the booster club home from a game at East Carolina University 
crashed short of the runway in Huntington, WV, killing all 75 people aboard--
including the entire coaching staff and all but three varsity players.

In the year prior to the crash, Marshall had been placed on probation for
recruiting violations and had been banished from the Mid-American conference.
The program had not had a winning season since 1964, and did not have another
until 1984.  In fact they were, statistically speaking, the losingest Division
I football program in the decade of the seventies.

Marshall is currently ranked 10th in division I-AA and was runner up in the
division last season.  The Marshall story is truly remarkable, and is a real
lesson in determination.
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: detergent
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:49:29 GMT


Watch out this winter, Debbie.  Despite the fact that Alabama
has TIDE, I am warned in r.s.bb.c that Michigan has FAB.

Hoping that both come out in the wash,

Orin

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******


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From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sunday morning QB
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:21:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1dmji8INNao7@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>>o After all that, SDSU still controls it's destiny to the Holiday Bowl.
>>  They have to beat Hawaii and Fresno St at home in the next 2 weeks.

>All BYU fans are rooting for SDSU to beat Hawaii next week.  Then there will be
>a four-way tie for the conference lead.

A four-way tie in which BYU has little chance of winning any tie-breakers.
This would probably leave them third in the conference tie-breakers, because
of their losses to SDSU and Hawaii.

Even without tie-breakers, Hawaii has the edge over BYU for the WAC #2 spot
in the Aloha Bowl because of the home crowd.

It may actually be better, bowl-wise, for BYU if Hawaii beats SDSU.
That puts Hawaii in the Holiday Bowl (will a Big-10 team show up?)
It leaves BYU alone in second place with Fresno State, who still have
to play SDSU.  That would probably send them to the Aloha Bowl and a
possible matchup with Kansas.

-- 
Bryan Morse                University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
morse@cs.unc.edu           Department of Computer Science
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Call for I-AA top ten
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:12:10 GMT

Those who would like to participate in a I-AA top ten ranking please email me 
your selections by thursday.

Thanks

PDunn
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From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Subject: Re: Husker Defense ==> THE *REAL* BLACKSHIRTS!!!
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:11:39 GMT

--
>>>So now everything is back to normal.. CU later..
>>> 
>>>REM..
>>
>>"Normal" to a CU fan and the CU program is to beat Nebraska and I don't
>>see this changing.

>Well, maybe that's "normal" to a CU fan, but if so it might be a good idea to
>grab a dictionary and look up the definition of "normal" and then look at the
>NU-CU recordbook over, say, the last 25 years or so to put "normal" in
>perspective!  :-)

>-Gary-

Yea, especially since the last time CU beat Nebraska was 3 seasons (2 years)
ago.     ;^)

Husker Henderson

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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Lee Corso's latest prediction
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:56:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.165646.6772
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

For those of you who missed it, Lee Corso last night predicted that 
Louisville will beat Texas A&M on Saturday.

And he again predicted that Arizona will beat Washington.

And it looked like he really pissed off Tom Osborne.

And I'm leaving now.

GT
From: tomd@solbourne.com (Tom Diessner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: stat of the day
Date: 11 Nov 1992 16:00:00 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: durango.solbourne.com


>In article <BxIDID.zn@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
>|> The NCAA Division 1-A football teams with the best regular season records
>|> for three consecutive seasons during the last decade (1982-1991):
>
>One word:  Domination

Just a little something for Colorado fans to think about. Over the past four
seasons, counting the '92 season up to this point, the Buffs are 35-4-3, and
over a three year period: 1989-91 the Buffs were 28-3-1. Pretty dern good for
a team that 10 years ago could not win 5 games. No matter what happens this
season, I figure we have plenty to be proud of.

-- 

Thomas Diessner | tomd@solbourne.COM | Solbourne Computer Inc. | Longmont, CO
				"GO BUFFS"
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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Stanford 23, U$C 9 (includes marching band stuff)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: rec
Date:  9 Nov 92 09:03:17 GMT

jbs@cs.arizona.edu (John B. Slankas) writes:

>Its too annoy the living hell out of the opposing team and their fans.  I
>beleive their coach even orders the band to play it as much as possible.
>I hate the USC band more than just about anything (except Miami) having
>had to lessen to them more times than I care to count (live and on TV).

>Notre Dame's band even wrote a song like Conquest to play while USC's 
>band was playing it.  Unfortunately, they chose to unveil it at last
>years ND vs USC game and it bombed miserably. They dropped it after
>playing it once and just decided the play THE Fight Song whenever USC
>started playing Conquest. (The only other cheer I've seen bomb badly
>at Notre Dame was  "Gold  Blue" when we played Michigan this year.  It
>sounds too much like "Go Blue".)

Huh...We, like the rest of the Pac-10 schools, have lyrics to sing for
Conquest (thanks to whoever (Cal?) came up with them).  But we only
did those once -- the rest of the time, we just ignored them and kept
counting.

After the game, though, we had a good time playing it EXTREMELY
off-key in their general direction to celebrate our win. :-)  Funny
how easy a song it is to play, either well or badly.

>At least USC's band doesn't play while the game is actually in progress,
>unlike Arizona's. (It shows a lack of respect for the game itself.)

Agreed, although I've never seen the AZ band live.  Luckily, we don't
do that either -- I'd be really annoyed by it. (Although we do on
occasion accidentally play a few seconds into play -- but even that's
not too common.)

>John Slankas
>Notre Dame '92

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: What makes a team #1?
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:24:36 GMT

I'm getting sick of all these uninteresting views about
who is supposedly the number one team in the country.
Nobody has really addressed the issue of what makes a 
team number one.  I hope there are plenty of intelligent
responses to this article...                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

The pollsters have demonstrated that they really haven't 
figured out an objective way to determine who is number
one, but maybe I can give my two-cents worth:

	Clearly, winning has to be the ultimate criterion.

With regards to this, we presently have three frontrunners 
(in alphabetical order to avoid offending anyone):

	Alabama 	(9 - 0)
	Miami		(8 - 0)
	Texas AM	(9 - 0)

Many people would say that winning isn't everything, but 
what else do we have?  "Oh, Florida State is so much 
better than Miami ..." -- the bottom line is that Miami 
beat Florida State, regardless of whether it was because
of luck, Bowden's stupidity, or whatever.  

Probably the next criterion is strength of schedule: beating
tough teams is harder than beating easy teams.  This would
be an easy, objective figure too -- just look at the 
win-loss records of the teams' opponents.  Can somebody 
please post the results of this ?!!  (I would venture to
guess that Alabama and Miami would then be the frontrunners.
The SEC is one of the hardest conferences and Miami has 
played Arizona, Florida State, and Penn State.  Sorry
A & M fans).

Other criteria are suspect to politics and favoritism.  As 
an example, Miami can be faulted for allowing 23 points to
West Virginia in their last game: a #1 wouldn't allow that
many points.  But anyone who saw the game knew that by the
fourth quarter this game was over and second-, third-, and
fourth- stringers were playing.  There are many other equally
dubious examples.  

I think these pollster people have to figure out a more
appropriate of determing who is #1.  After all, winning a 
national championship is about winning, not about which coast
that team is from, how badly they beat everyone, and what
bowl they played in, etc.  

Dan
danbrown@psych.stanford.edu
	


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