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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Los Endos question
Keywords: Genesis, Trick of the Tail
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:50:21 GMT

In article <37043@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> little@cs.ucsd.edu (Glenn Little) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug19.200200.28138@sei.cmu.edu>, ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger) writes:
>|> In article <Bt8rD6.B2v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sikora@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Riyaz Sikora) writes:
>|> >
>|> >Does any one know what Phil is singing (or rather whispering) near the end of 
>|> >Los Endos (off of their _Trick_of_the_Tail). It is very short and faint (prolly
>|> >only one line or so of lyrics).
>|> 
>|> I don't have it on official authority, but what I hear is:
>|> 
>|>    "There's an angel standing in the sun"  (The line from "Supper's Ready")
>|> 
>|>    ...then a little later...
>|> 
>|>    "There's an angel standing in the sun"
>|>    "Please, take me back home..."
>|> 
>|> Anybody have the canonical version?
>
>  Well, this is not canonical, but I believe the very last line is 
>  "free to get back home..."  I think this was a sort of clever good-bye
>  to Peter Gabriel who left after the previous album.
>


	This question used to come up all the time on alt.rock-n-roll.  I
almost think it should be in the faq, or something like that. 

	Anyway, presuming that the lyrics Phil is singing here are not
changed from the lyrics in "Supper's Ready," the last line should be: 
"We've finally been freed to get back home."  
	I think you're right about it being a sort of good-bye to Gabriel,
among other things.  "Los" is a plural article, and that suggests that they
are talking about several ends:  the end of the album (it's the last song)
the end of Gabriel's membership in the band, the lyrics being sung are from
the end of "Supper's Ready," and perhaps a few other things as well-- perhaps
even some playful connection to the "tail" being the "end" of an animal, thus
making a reference to the album title _A Trick of the Tail_. 

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>


Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: STEVE.SYCAMORE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Steve Sycamore")
Subject: Album dump
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:57:08 EST

I'm moving and would like to get rid of about 70 albums and a few CD's that
might be of interest to people here.  The set includes releases from the
likes of Iconoclasta, Iskander, Le Orme, Starcastle and Sky.  For more info
reach me at STEVE.SYCAMORE@OFFICE.WANG.COM.

Steve Sycamore    (508) 967-1633
From: andy@ice.stx.com (Andy Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Search for new Prog Bands
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:08:53 GMT
Reply-To: andy@ian.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD

jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson) writes:

}Other CDs I got but wasn't impressed with: ...
}... Happy the Man, "Beginnings" (zzzzzzzzzz)...

I wouldn't look at "Beginnings" as representative Happy The Man:  much, much
better is "Retrospective" which has the best of their three later albums,
and is almost totally instrumental, and not quite as mellow...  It's some
of the most intricate and talented playing I've ever heard from anybody...

If anyone's interesting in Happy The Man or Kit Watkins, I can give you the
address to write him at, or give me your address and I'll put it on the
postcard he sent me for people to send catalogs to.  He's also got a good
demo CD for $4 (his stuff, not HTM)...
______________________________________________________________________________
Andy Moore          "We all have it coming..."
 andy@ice.stx.com              - William Munny (Clint Eastwood), "Unforgiven"
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP In Concert
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:11:12 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA
Wombat: yes
Number: 59714

In article <1992Aug15.090036.202@metrosoft.com>, gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>
> Also, has anyone seen any of the reported singles from Black Moon? Are  
> they CD singles? Do they contain any unreleased tracks? Hopefully I'll get  
> lucky and run across one (like I did with the ELPowell 12" of "Touch and  
> Go" which incidentally has a fun-filled b-side cover of "The Locomotion").

Tower Records had "Black Moon" (remix) c/w "A Blade of Grass" & "Black Moon"
(CD single).  And you'll note, of course, that the current release of ELPowell
includes "The Locomotion".

--
Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: ELP In Concert
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:25:45 GMT

In article <15023@claris.com> wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey) writes:
> And you'll note, of course, that the current release of ELPowell
> includes "The Locomotion".
> 

I will indeed note that...thanks! (A few people mentioned this via mail  
too). Just when I'd stopped looking at the back of the CD box in store  
racks. So now, does the CD of Brain Salad Surgery also have the promo mix  
of the song by the same name? :-)  Well it IS much better than the mix on  
Works Vol 2...

Gordon

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,soc.culture.nordic
From: marco@itnsg1.cineca.it (Marco Olivotto)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian progressive rock bands
Organization: Laboratorio di Fisica Computazionale, INFM. Trento Italia
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:13:34 GMT

	There are at least a couple of bands that haven't been mentioned:
"Now" and "Masque". They both record for MUSEA.
	The first are very Yes-oriented, and really great technique shows
through, whereas Masque are a bit harder to categorise.
	Just a 2p contribution :)...

	Ciao, Marco 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: gabriel/genesis
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:23:03 GMT

In article <199213.675.1039@channel1> "eric walker"  
<eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:
> 
>      Besides, "Passion" may have already killed off many of Gabriel's
>      fans.  It's a terrific piece of work, but how many people who
>      only know of Pete through "Sledgehammer" would really be interested
>      in a one-hour-plus long CD with NO LYRICS?!?

Strikes me that most Gabriel fans would really appreciate "Passion" for  
the fine work that it is, while most mainstream folks who bought "So"  
because of "Sledgehammer" might not even know it exists. I don't know if  
the second category is what I'd call Gabriel fans. Have they gone back and  
purchased the LP produced by Fripp? If so, how do you think they liked it?  
Think they'd like picturing him wearing fox heads, dresses and a big  
bubble suit? Well they might enjoy the little story on the back of the  
first Genesis live LP. SPLAT!!! :-)

Gordon
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: 4AD record label
From: verbit@widder.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:56:34 EDT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Aug16.180156.2886@uwm.edu> aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider) writes:
>I've seen some ads on music and cyberpunk mag's for the record label 4AD.
>What are the bands like that record for this label?  Is there anything
>specific to their sound or stlyes?  I also remember seing something about a
>newsgroup for just this label.  Is this true?

>Steve J. White
>aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
>skeptic@large@9600bps


There is no newsgroup for 4AD label, only mailing list (alas!).

4AD bands include some progressive ones, notably
Cocteau Twins (not sure if everybody will agree
with me, but everybody who listened to, say "Victorialand"
will agree :) and Dead Can Dance. Sometimes various members
of DCD, CT and other 4AD groups recordi as This Mortal Coil,
this is quite progressive too. 

There are much more bands on 4AD which is undisputably
alternative (i. e., not progressive): Pixies, Throwing Muses, 
Clan of Xymox, Xmal Deutchland, Wolfgang Press. Most of their records
(except Pixies and Thr. Muses) are not available in US 
yet, but will be released next year. 

Misha.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Anyone wanna swap something for a Dream Theatre disc?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:41:21 GMT

Well, I've fully listened to Dream Theatre three times now and have
decided it's not my thing. If any of you have any prog stuff you want
to trade for this thing, please get in touch with me. It's in
perfect shape! :)

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber)
Subject: Gulf Vet Illness
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:29:30 GMT


Some Gulf vets are complaining of a mysterious virus
beleived to come from inhaling the oil smoke. The Pentagon apparently
did studies of this prior to the war, but never revealed the results.
I'll wonder if they will do as they did with Agent Orange in V'Nam -
deny any harm for 25 years.

Politicians and Generals stir people into action by promoting
militarism as patriotism, and use soldiers as fodder for their aims,
regardless of the human costs.

I wonder if the government would promote militarism as patriotism
if the people marched against the government?
From: juha.veijalainen@compart.fi (Juha Veijalainen) 
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Gulf "War"&Chomsky --
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ComPart BBS, Helsinki-Finland, +358 0 506 3329 (14 lines V.32bis)
Reply-To: juha.veijalainen@compart.fi (Juha Veijalainen) 

Robin Collins wrote:

RC>In terms of Iraq today, there are good arguments for maintaining sanct
RC>on a state that is abusing its minorities (or majority as was the case
RC>in South Africa.) However, there is no good reason to continue sanctio
RC>against Iraq for reasons of its military arsenal, unless sanctions are
RC>on ALL states with nuclear/chemical/biological weapons. 

I beg to differ.  I'm certainly not a supporter of N/B/C weapons, but Iraq 
is certainly different from other countries with those weapons in their 
arsenal.  Iraq has several times demostrated that it will use those 
weapons.  It was probably the first user of chemical weapons in Iran-Iraq 
war and during that war Iraq even killed its own citizens with gas.

To me that demostrates extreme ruthlessness and willingness to use these 
weapons whenever Iraq (Saddam?) decides.

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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject: Iraq fires verbal attack
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:44:01 GMT

In an article entitled "Iraq fires verbal attack on U.S.
military might" in my local paper (The Columbus Dispatch),
the Iraqi army paper Al-Qaddissiya is quoted as saying that
U.S. weapons were "not up to the performance of weapons
needed in modern warfare." and that "The showdown in the
mother of all battles had revealed the deteriorating
standards of the American weapons..."

Is there anyone out there who has more information on this
article? It's obvious propaganda (unless there is a lot
more than was printed), but is this just part of the ongoing
campaign to minimize the defeat or is there something new
here that wasn't printed in my paper? (I wonder why the AP
decided to file this story now, in other words)

******************************************************************************
Renegade academician. They're a dangerous breed when they go feral,
academics are...a chemist, too.
		    -(James P. Blaylock in "Lord Kelvin's Machine")

My organization hasn't agreed with any of my opinions so far, and
I doubt they'll start now.

Stanley "Ya nee speon" Roberts
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm,alt.activism
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: "LIFT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS!" Canadian&Iraqi Labor Activists
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:41:29 GMT

Another question for Harel:

All Sadam need do to be allowed to sell oil to ease the suffering of
his people is grant the UN permission to insure that the money and aid goes
to those who actually need it; and not Saddam's nuclear and chemical
weapons programs. He could also comply with the terms of the ceace
fire and accomplish the same thing without UN monitoring.

Now why don't you and your freinds call on Sadam to take one of these
options?

   Allen

PS. I expect Harel will pretend he didn't see this and not respond (he
    seems to find the light of critical thinking somewhat blinding). Maybe
    Frank or others will care to respond.

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From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm,alt.activism
Subject: Re: "LIFT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS!" Canadian&Iraqi Labor Activists
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:28:16 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

briand@anasaz (Brian Douglass) writes:
>In article <9208180015.AA05510@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>>pns:akosha      Labor News & Notes      12:01 pm  Aug  2, 1992
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>    "it is the intransigence and political opportunism of [Washington
>>    et al] which has kept Saddam and other regional rulers in power
>>    over the years in a delicate, but cruelly cynical balancing act.

>I suppose you would rather have seen the Soviet Union's black dog's ruling
>the regions of the world rather than the West's white dog's (when a dog
>bites you, what difference does it's color make?)  After all, the Soviet
>are the ones that put Saddam there in the first place.  We just kept him
>around for a few years to hold back the Iranians.

Since when has it been an either-or choice?  And since when has it
been (admitted) US policy to keep savage dictators around to hold
back other savage dictators?

>>    also demonstrates an incredible double standard, given that no
>>    such de-mands are made of more heavily armed, and potentially more
>>    dangerous regimes, like South Africa, Pakistan and Israel, to name

>Funny, I seemed to have missed it when any of these countries bombed their
>own people with chemical weapons, leveled a city of 70,000 people, shipped
>them all off to concentration camps, and then murdered them in clear
>genocide.

>The names of the towns are Qalat Dizah, and Halabjah.  Qalat Dizah had its
>population of 70,000 expelled, and then was leveled.  Halabjah was gassed,
>killing between 5,000 and 6,000 outright, maiming thousands of others for
>life.  This led to a United Nations report concluding that the atrocities
>committed by the Thief of Baghdad were "so grave and...of such a
>massive nature that since the Second World War few paralles can be found."
>[1]

I forget; was this while the US was still supporting Iraq, or afterwards?

Look; nobody on the net (that I have seen) supports in any way whatsoever
the things that Saddam Hussein has done.  The "lefties" think that the
US government cynically supported a ruthless dictatorship, and see no
reason to believe that the US government would not do so (is not doing
so elsewhere) again.  The "righties" think that the entire situation
is due to Saddam Hussein's intransigence, and therefore their hands
are clean of all the hundreds of thousands of lives lost.  We know
all this...

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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm,alt.activism
Subject: Re: "LIFT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS!" Canadian&Iraqi Labor Activists
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 05:38:28 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug19.063957.24791@anasaz>

>>Comrades!  We believe that not only will your militant support and
>>solidarity ensure that this policy is brushed aside, to our advantage,
>>but that our united and organised world rank can smash the capitalist
>>system and build socialism on its ruins. We therefore call for your
>>solidarity and unity in struggle.
>
>What are you 20?  Away from home for the first time and missing mommy and
>daddy?  Read your frickin' history.  It don't work!  People turned into
>spoiled brats living off of mommy and daddy government and never working
>for themselves.  You want to make the world a better place, try for
>Humanistic Capitalism.  A much more realistic and workable goal than some
>utopianistic throwback theory of the 30's.

Now that you mention it, wasn't somebody complaining about too much
REACTIONARY rhetoric in this newsgroup?

:->


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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm,alt.activism
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: "LIFT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS!" Canadian&Iraqi Labor Activists
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:51:26 GMT


Well Well, for weeks I have been asking Harel just what he would do about the
current situation in Iraq. I guess this is the closest he will get
to giving an answer.

So Harel doesn't think Saddam needs to abide by the terms of the ceace fire.
He doesn't want to get in the way of Saddam's  production of nuclear
weapons and chemical arms.

As usual, Harel is at the forfront protecting left wing dictators wherever
they may live!

   Allen
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From: jllw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (john.l.winters)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Gulf Vet Illness
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:39:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Experimental vacine.  Not anywhere near FDA approved.  Strange illness.

Seems there may be a connection here.  I bet the vacine is causing the
illness.  It must have had a contamination virus.  Untill it is isolated,
there is no way to test for it.  Some of the original vacines must be saved
for later testing, once the virus is isoloated.  Then, if the vacine contains
the isolated virus, WHAM, we gotem.

To protect the men against germ warfare on such short notice experimental
vacines were concocted.  The experiment, conducted on the men continues.
Yet to be seen?  Was there one or more virii in the vacine that could cause
harm to the men?  We shall see, if a virus can be isolated.

Then we can test the vacine.
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Gulf Vet Illness
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:21:29 GMT

In article <59680@mimsy.umd.edu> biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.142930.10165@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aj336@cleveland.Freenet.
>Edu (Pat Weber) writes:
>
>>Some Gulf vets are complaining of a mysterious virus
>>beleived to come from inhaling the oil smoke. The Pentagon apparently
>>did studies of this prior to the war, but never revealed the results.
>
>Pat, you posted to the wrong newsgroups. alt.conspiracy and alt.folklore.urban
>are more appropriate groups. I suppose there is a sci.something that might
>find an oil-smoke borne virus interesting, too.

	Unlikely to be a virus, I'd guess were talking straightforward
	poisoning here.  Probably complicated by synergism of sub-toxic
	doses of several poisonous compds. from oil smoke.

	Alec Chambers
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Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Gulf Vet Illness
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:23:40 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.142930.10165@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber) writes:
> 
> Some Gulf vets are complaining of a mysterious virus
> beleived to come from inhaling the oil smoke. The Pentagon apparently
> did studies of this prior to the war, but never revealed the results.
> I'll wonder if they will do as they did with Agent Orange in V'Nam -
> deny any harm for 25 years.

	They're denying at this point.  Hopefully they'll see the that trying
to cover it up only makes them look bad, while admitting that smoke may be the
problem and they'll help makes them look good.

> Politicians and Generals stir people into action by promoting
> militarism as patriotism, and use soldiers as fodder for their aims,
> regardless of the human costs.

	Some do.  Schwartzkopf especially seemed to care about the fate of
those under his command.

> I wonder if the government would promote militarism as patriotism
> if the people marched against the government?

	Of course not.

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From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Gulf Vet Illness
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:41:44 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug14.192129.12799@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>In article <59680@mimsy.umd.edu> biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.142930.10165@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aj336@cleveland.Freenet.
>>Edu (Pat Weber) writes:
>>
>>>Some Gulf vets are complaining of a mysterious virus
>>>beleived to come from inhaling the oil smoke. The Pentagon apparently
>>>did studies of this prior to the war, but never revealed the results.

TRUE....

>>Pat, you posted to the wrong newsgroups. alt.conspiracy and alt.folklore.urban
>>are more appropriate groups. I suppose there is a sci.something that might
>>find an oil-smoke borne virus interesting, too.

No, my friend, you just didnt read clearly, He didnt say there was a mysterious
virus.  But the Mystery Ailment isnt that mysterious.
It is a form or petroleom poisoning.  Mouth Lesions...hair loss...skin irritaions.
Ever drink gasoline or motor oil?
Why not?  wouldnt be too good right?  What makes you think that 
inhaling the smoke of a  million of gallons of crude oil would be any better?
there also was the fact of  middle east ailments carried by sand 
fleas (kind of like a malaria thing...)  The army vaccinated the men, but these vaccines were only in an 
experimental stage.  They werent anything near FDA approved.

>	Unlikely to be a virus, I'd guess were talking straightforward
>	poisoning here.  Probably complicated by synergism of sub-toxic
>	doses of several poisonous compds. from oil smoke.
>
>	Alec Chambers

I agree with alec


Derek