From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Should Hong Kong be Independent
Keywords: Wandted lesson of Chinese History
Organization: R-Node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) - 24 hrs
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:29:11 GMT

 
Please, *please* limit your sentence to eighty characters per line. I spend
more time reformatting your article than on responding to it.
In article <1992Apr15.081620.5836@ecst.csuchico.edu>
cltong@ecst.csuchico.edu (Chin Leung Tong) writes:
>
>In refer to an article that still think that California should be
>independent becaus of rich from Amos Yung.
This is the greatest misrepresentation I've seen in a long time. The original
article was: if HK can be independent from China, can California be in-
dependent from US?
 
>
>I would like to know when Cal became one of the states of US, how rich
>she is, can it compare to the situation of Hong Kong.
The comparison is hardly that complex: HK is a part of China, California
is a part of US; If HK can be seperated from China, why not California?
 
>i.e. Hong Kong is a lot wealthier than Mainland China.  If our destiny is
>going back to a government that will track down a development of country
>with a lot of potential by over 40 yrs,
"Track down a development of country..."??? I am sorry but I really don't
understand what you are trying to say.
 
>I would like to be a mean and selfish idiot
>defensepeople with similar dream that Hong Kong should be independent.
Mean and selfish seldom comes without a price. And usually a hefty one
at that.
In a pure practical sense (as you seems to be suggesting), Hong Kong
cannot be independent because HK *is* not independent. Hong Kong depends
on China's resources. Hong Kong doesn't have enough water and food to
hold its own. If HK/China relationship is reduced to a pure financial
one, imagine how much they will charge (we are talking about the very
life substaining factor) even if they hold absolutely no hostility. 
 
 
>You are not required to answer this question but no answer is an answer.
>If you can tell all of us that how long have you been living in Hong Kong
>that will be my greatest pleasure.
I see. "No answer is an answer". Therefore if I found your question irrelevant
to the dicussion and refused to answer, then I am guilty of whatever that
is on your mind. Please, with all due respect, honor me by replying the
following question: Why do you ask me this? Afterall, what bearing could
the answer have on the original discussion? If I am from China, are you
going to say, "HA! I just KNEW it!!!" Or do you assume all people from
HK share your feeling on the subject?
 
By the way, since I am *really* scared of your hidden accusation, I was
born in HK, grew up there, left home and came to Canada at 16. Been to
China twice for no more than a week (together) in my whole life. 
 
Do you need any more further information to complete your psychological
analysis?
 
 
>Whereas you  make me put a serious doubt on that whcih kind of visa are
>you holding.
Since I don't see "no answer is an answer" on this one, I have no intention
to answer it because I see no bloody relation between my identity and this
discussion.
 
>I know that you are not a agent from mainland China or
>you won't post another news in this newsgroup, may or may not enough to
>identify your real identity.
 
I understand the first part (and thank you for saying in public that you
don't think I am an agent from China. A tremendous relief) but the
second part completely lost me. What does posting news have anything to
do with my identity or being an agent? I didn't post news in alt.wesley.kill.
kill.kill, what conclusion will you draw from that?
 
>I also understand that it is not that feasible for my dream but I still
>would appreciate someone aguring with the whole picture rather than one or two
>sentences.
 
Arguing about the whole picture? Sir, we *have not* start arguing on anything.
For two people to start arguing on a topic, one must start presenting some
arguments. You have not.
 
>Moreover I need some lesson on Chinese History, I would like to know when
>Hong Kong was leased to British how wealthy she was and how about now.
Hong Kong was a small fishing village at Jan 1841. Not very wealthy.
Hong Kong is a modern city at 1992. Very wealthy. But again, economically
speaking, so is Canton 1841 and Canton 1992, New York 1841 and New York 1992,
Toronto 1841 and Toronto 1992, San Francisco 1841 and San Francisco 1992....
Most cities in the Northern Hemisphere are doing better than 100 years 
ago.
 
Your point?
 
>If say Hong Kong was from US how will the people react for going back to
>their mother land.  That may not be a very pleasant move but still is
>acceptable for me.
I hate grammar and spelling flame as much as the next guy and would be
the first to admit I am no where near being perfect in English myself. But 
you do seem to have problem getting your point across. Half of the time I 
really don't know what you are trying to say. Please take a little more time
to write up your article before you post ( I took half an hour for writing 
this post). This is not a flame and I mean *absolutely* no disrespect.
 
 
>Look forward to hearing from you
>still with a lot of respect
 
I respect your opinion too. But I am furious with your approach to a discussion.
For someone trying to break away from China, you sure argue in the most
traditional Chinese way: Character assessment. Up till this point, you 
presented little logical proposition but a hell of a lot more character 
assessment. "Are you an agent? Are you from HK? What kind of visa are you
holding?" All questions imply that I have some kind of hidden agenda. You 
refute my argument not by pointing out the flaw of logic or fact, but 
by discrediting *me*. 
 
I respect your opinion enough to respond to it, and I expect you to return
the same courtesy. Beat my arguments to death if you see flaw in it, I 
welcome that but kindly leave my personality alone. You don't know me.
 
>Chin.
 

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