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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 hd desktop mounting
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:53:26 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

pw4963@sarah.albany.edu (Peter G. White) writes:

}What is needed to mount a pb100's hard drive on a desktop mac.  I called
}macconnection and they told me I would need a cable, adaptor, and a terminator
}which would run about $100.  I thought all that was needed was a hdi-30
}25 pin SCSI cable?  What's the deal?

First, there are *two* types of the hdi-30 cable.  One type functions as
a normal SCSI cable and is used to connect external disc drives to any
PowerBook (I think this type is called a "system" cable).  The other type
is what you need, and it can *only* be used to connect a PB100 to another
Mac in "SCSI-disc mode" (I think it's called a "disc" cable).  You will
also need a normal in-line SCSI terminator connected to the other end
of the hdi-30 cable (see the PB100 manual).  The Apple list price for
either of these cables is indeed about $100, so the person on the phone
got that right, although I don't know what he could have meant by
"adaptor", unless he was thinking of the normal SCSI cable that you
need to conect the other end of the hdi-30 to your Mac.

Anyway, to do this you shutdown the PB100 and the other Mac, plug in the
hdi-30 cable to both, and then press a key on the PB100.  If you have the
correct cable, the PB100 will come up in SCSI disc mode, and you will see
a large SCSI icon marching across the screen.  If the PB100 comes up
normally, it means that you have the wrong hdi-30 cable.  DO NOT start the
other Mac!!  It's possible that you will scramble one or both of the discs!!
Shutdown the PB100, disconnect the cables and go get the right hdi-30.
If you *do* see the marching SCSI icon, just start the other Mac and
the PB100's disc will show up just like any other external disc.

--James Preston
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: N.W. Choe <nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: disk first aid comment
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A758604F6702748D@sl-mac-13.rh.uchicago.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 19 Dec 92 11:14:55 GMT
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:21:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec1.202200.25848@burrhus.harvard.edu> Ken
Kreshtool, kik@isr.harvard.edu writes:
>no inits/cdevs/extensions). Disk First Aid worked swell. Then I
installed
>FolderBolt. Disk First Aid now is screwed. Then I dis-installed
FolderBolt
>following official procedures. Disk First Aid still screwed.
(System 7.0 at the
>time, with I think no tuner). I repeated the whole experiment a few
times
>--reinitilizing, reinstalling system stuff, running DFA, installing
and
>disinstalling FolderBolt, running DFA. Same result -- FolderBolt
permanently

No offense meant to those at apple, but i havent found that disk
first aid
helps much, generally. While i recognize that it is a free product,
and as
such cannot hope to compare with commercial products (Disinfectant
being a
notable counter-example), I wonder why the previous poster tried
only DFA and
not bigger guns.

Its like how Microsoft Word had to compete with MacWrite, a free
product, and
won. Or maybe not. Im a little fuzzy on my ancient Mac history. I
decided to
get a //e instead of the original Mac, by the way. Im rather glad I
did, in a
way, since I learned far more about computers and programming that
way. [But
I digress...]

So, Im just pointing out that there ARE more powerful utilities
available,
like Norton Utilities (which I like). I often skip the DFA step
entirely.
N.W. Choe    Beaver Consulting Co.- Chicago
5454 S. Shore Dr. #318
Chicago, IL 60615     312.702.4605
"Embarking upon the obvious to stumble upon the truth."
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:45:55 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mac & IBM Info (added Info)
	<wondertr.724353726@sfu.ca>
Distribution: na

The following post only serves to highlight my point, which is that to
say the mac 'supports' 24 bit colour is ambiguous and misleading.

wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center) writes:
> BOTH models of the Quadra line support 24-bit color with their built-in
> displays... on either 14" or 16" inch monitors and 16-bit color on the 21".

You have to add video ram to the Quadra to get 24 bit display.

> MAC beacuse the Color QuickDraw handle the conversion for you...
> THAT's BUILT-IN!!!!

It's software.  It's in the os.  Why not say "All macs support 24 bit
colour images" and instead say "Mac os includes '32 bit color
quickdraw' which lets software which makes standard os graphics calls
display in whatever bit depth it wants, with the os dithering if
necessary."  and then go on to explain the actual hardware issue from
the hardware standpoint?




-- faisal jawdat                  | "Certainly the game is rigged.
email: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu       | Don't let that stop you;
if mail handler barfs             | if you don't bet, you can't win." 
fj05@andrew.cmu.edu               |        -Lazarus Long
From: watson@clark.edu (Dennis Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: SoftAT demo Scandal?!?!?
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:38:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Dec17.013812.185
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

What about the softatdemo2.5.1 that said "SoftAT--For demonstration purposes
only"  in its title bar.  It also limited the C: drive to a max of 1 MB???
Looks like a demo to me!!!
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Soft_PC. How compatible is it?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:09:48 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <29600@castle.ed.ac.uk> tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J  
Cunningham) writes:
> T.Stewart@massey.ac.nz (T.M. Stewart) writes:
> 
> >Soft-PC was mentioned a number of times.  Although it's likely to  
be slow,
> >just how compatible is it?  
> 
> 100%.
> 

More details please.  Can it handle programs that, for example,
write directly to video memory?  

How much DOS memory does it provide?  640K or something less?

Does it run Windows programs?

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: jkatz@netcom.com (Joseph Katz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Your comments on Supra modems
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:11:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)


AH SH*T,

  Please ignore that last message from me, forgot to edit the damn header.
  Sorry.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.novell
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: *** WARNING *** Novell + QuickTime = Disaster
Organization: Massey University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 01:35:55 GMT

From article <17DEC199207544044@jane.uh.edu>, by englhq@jane.uh.edu (Franklet, Duane L.):
>>In article <60sis-b@massey.ac.nz> N.Perry@massey.ac.nz writes:
>>>
>>>Just in case this is unknown:
>>>
>>>WARNING: DO NOT place ANY QuickTime movie files on Novell file servers
>>>to which you have references, EVEN if you move the
>>>documents/applications containing the references. This problem has
>>>been confirmed using the ScrapBook as well as my own software.
>>>
> This made me curious, so I copied a movie over to the file server. It
> played fine. So I inserted it into a WordPerfect document. It played fine.
> I then copied the document to a new folder on the server, thinking this
> would surely mess up the path to the movie. Nope, it still played. I
> then left the movie on the server and copied the document to my hard 
> drive. The movie still plays. And so on.
> 
> Where's the problem?
> 
> Wouldn't it be a little more sensible to say, you can't use Wild Magic,
> or whatever it is that gives you trouble, than to make a blanket statement
> about all uses of QuickTime?
> 
> ____________________
> Duane Franklet
> englhq@jetson.uh.edu

Try the combination: insert movie into WordPerfect document, move MOVIE (and
WP doc if you like) onto Novell file-server. Now attempt to play it... The
problem is that moving the movie DATA onto Novell has destroyed the link
to it embedded in the WP doc. We have yet to confirm why the problem
occurs but the suspect is Novell's rounding of time-stamps to even seconds
(maybe there's enough odd in the DOS world already without including
odd seconds :-) :-)). It is not to do with storing hard-coded pathnames as
suggested my one of Novell's postings. As to Novell's suggested "work around"
of altering the timestamp embedded in the document using ResEdit... well as
a hardened hacker I might be able to do this, but an average (= normal :-))
user?

Apologies for the confusion over this problem, I thought I'd been explict
enough in the original post but obviously not. As a major use of QT is
pasting movies into documents I still see this as a MAJOR problem with
Novell. We still don't know if it effects other applications.

Nigel
-- 
---
Dr Nigel Perry                    Email: N.Perry@massey.ac.nz
Department of Computer Science    Tel: +64 6 356 9099 ext 8900
Massey University                 Fax: +64 6 350 5611
Palmerston North
New Zealand
From: jmccombi@bbn.com (Jon McCombie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PowerBook on Ethernet (Q)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:48:41 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jmccombi@bbn.com. (Jon McCombie)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: PowerBook Ethernet


I would like to connect a PowerBook (likely a 160) onto a thin-wire
Ethernet when the PowerBook is not on the road.  If this were a desktop
Mac, I would buy one of the many EtherTalk boards available and install
it into the machine.  What options are available for a PowerBook?

One method I can imagine would be to connect the PB to a short AppleTalk
net with a FastPath or GatorBox bridge between AppleTalk and Ethernet.
Is there a way to more directly connect the PB directly onto the
Ethernet?

Please send e-mail directly to me at jmccombie@bbn.com, as I do not
regularly read this group.  I will summarize if there is interest.

Jon McCombie
jmccombie@bbn.com
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From: jjm70@ccc.amdahl.com (Jerry Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.invest
Subject: Re: History was made today...
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:24:33 GMT
Reply-To: jjm70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Jerry Miller)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1gon7oINNshk@mirror.digex.com> hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) writes:
>History was made today.  IBM's stock price dropped to below its book
>value of 55 today, to close at 51 points per share on news that Big
>Blue would be shedding another 25,000 workers and cutting their
>dividend.  On the very same day, Apple Computer stock closed at 55
>points per share, 4 points higher than that of Big Blue.
>
>When the Apple Macintosh was first introduced, IBM derided this computer
>as "a toy" claiming that mice were too difficult for users to comprehend
>and use.  They laughed at the little toaster of a machine:  "The business
>world will never accept it."  "No one could use this for any serious
>commercial development."

I don't want to rain on your parade too badly but the original 128k Macintosh
was just that - a toy.  And an incredibly expensive one at that.  I have never
met anyone who claimed to do any "serious commercial development" with one.

As a matter of fact, it wasn't until the Mac II was introduced that the
business community started getting serious about the Macintosh.  In any case
Apple has had little or nothing to do with the current problems facing IBM.
I propose that Intel, Microsoft, Compaq, Sun and maybe even Dell/Gateway/AST
have each individually had more fiscal impact on IBM than Apple.

In other words, Apple laughing at IBM is like a mouse laughing at an elephant
that trips over a log...

>But who's laughing now?  IBM is on the skids and scrambling to stay
>alive.  Apple Computer is experiencing record sales and revenues
>thanks to their new Powerbook computers.
>
>Innovation and attention to the customer in the form of ergonomic design
>and well engineered products are what distinguish Apple's computers from
>the utter crap being churned out by IBM and the PC clone manufacturers.
>No longer able to rely on consistant sales of big mainframes to huge
>institutions, IBM is suddenly finding it has to (gasp) compete and, if
>it learns its lesson at all, will have learned it too late.
>
>Ignore the market... and the market will ignore you...
>
>- Dark Hacker
>-- 
>Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation
>hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us
>
>"Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu (Sean Kennedy)
Subject: Re: What's ZiffNet?
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:20:09 GMT

bertovic@cuug.ab.ca (Jasmin Bertovic 267-2434) writes:

>I came across this in MacUser.  There is a file I wanted and it told me
>to look under ZiffNet to get it.  I'm still new to this.   Could anyone
>guide me in the right direction.  If anyone knows what ZiffNet is or where
>it is, Please email me at: bertovic@sun.cuug.ab.ca

>THANKS,   Jasmin!

	Or try FTPing to sumex-aim.stanford.edu.  They get most (but not
all!) shareware and pd software.

			--Sean Kennedy
			  kennedy@cs.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.appscomp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc,
Distribution: world
From: bobg@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca (Bob M. Grahame)
Organization: EdgeWays! InfoLink - A FirstClass GUI BBS - "The Edge of Communications and GateWays to the World." North Vancouver, BC Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:44:57 PST
Subject: Re: EPS -> PICT but System 7

EPS->PICT

I have posted a few messages around, suggesting that someone create a newer
version of this kind of utility, but, I do not know if anyone has become
interested. I must have sent EPS->PICT out 10 people over the last month and a
half or so, all over the world too. There is a market for it. Perhaps if we
become like squeaky wheels, we might get some grease. Why get some people to
post some messages.

See Ya!

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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Soft_PC. How compatible is it?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:49:13 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <29600@castle.ed.ac.uk> tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes:
>T.Stewart@massey.ac.nz (T.M. Stewart) writes:
>>Soft-PC was mentioned a number of times.  Although it's likely to be slow,
>>just how compatible is it?  
>
>100%.
>
>>Do any users of Soft-PC have any comments?
>
>OK, I'm not a user I work for Insignia. But the emulation is solid.

Not true. An Apple systems engineer said that the low-level disk editing
routine in Norton Utilities (the PC version) became confused when it saw raw
Macintosh disks.

So make that 99.9999%.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: Douglas_J._Kiang@fourd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: ** WARNING ** AVOID TIGER SOFTWARE!!!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:14:05 GMT
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS

<I have had nothing but good experiences with Tiger. No one is perfect. I have
<also had good experiences with MacZone and MacConnection. I really think
<that people should be careful when bringing up matters which are apparently
<in the legal system.
 
<Philip McDunnough
<Professor of Statistics
<University of Toronto
<philip@utstat.toronto.edu

With all due respect, if I am going to buying expensive computer equipment
and/or software from another company, I would WANT to be aware of ANY
experiences people have had with them, good or bad. Especially "matters which
are apparently in the legal system."  If someone is thinking of taking a
company to court because they are not happy with the way they were treated, I
definitely want to know about it.

<<In other words, they should be quiet.>> 

Again, I have to disagree. It is my right as a consumer to be made aware of
any legal disputes with a company, even if the dispute is still under
investigation.

<<Fraud is a very serious charge as is defamation of a company's reputation.>>

I agree.  All the more reason why consumers should be made aware of these
serious charges.  If I feel I have been wronged by a mail order firm, I am not
going to keep quiet to protect the company's reputation.  Rather, I would let
people know about my difficulties so that they may judge the company for
themselves.

I might also add that in addition to the problems one person has had with
Tiger Software, I have read many messages from people who have had nothing but
good experiences with Tiger.  So a consumer considering doing business with
Tiger can now see both sides of the issue.

<<I have had nothing but good experiences with Tiger. No one is perfect.>>

Again, I agree.  No company is perfect.  Far better that people should discuss their experiences with any company,
good AND bad, and let others base their overall judgement on the complete
picture.

--Douglas.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Jim Pinkelman <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu>
Subject: Are MacIIsi Cache Cards any good?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A754ECCE3B02401E@jpinkelman.aero.nd.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:25:18 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:12:01 GMT

I'm considering trying to speed up my Mac SI by installing
a 64K Cache Card with a 882 Math Coprocessor.  I'm 
interested in how much the cache card itself will speed up
miscellaneous tasks.

I work with Deltagraph a lot and am most interested in speeding
up plotting, etc.

I'll probably buy it from Third Wave Computing (Mail Order).  Has 
anyone had bad experiences with these guys?

Thanks in Advance.
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From: seanmcd@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Mac IIsi 5/80 --->  $946: You lucky Americans!
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:03:07 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Dec15.184453.5121@news.uiowa.edu>, haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeff Haferman) writes:
> 
> The above system is being advertised by our University Personal
> Computing center (the price is for CPU only).  Also advertised
> is a IIci 5/80 for $1419 and a IIci 5/230 for $1662.
> 
> I was told this is a special offer, good only "while supplies last",
> and that the prices will go back up after the New Year.   Just
> last week, the price dropped on the IIsi 5/80 to $1208, now another
> drop.  What is going on?  Is Apple planning on phasing out the si
> and ci?
> 
> I was planning on getting a Mac Classic (for horsepower, I can
> use other facilities, so I really only need a personal computer
> for Word Processing, Spreadsheets, etc.), but at these prices,
> how can I go wrong getting an si?
> 
> Are other universities dropping their Mac prices?  Why just the
> si and ci?
I wish! In Canada my university generously offers Macs for 90% of the SRP.
What a bargain! I don't think that the 'educational' discount here counts
for much. You guys are damn lucky. No sales in sight here. A 5/80 IIci
sells for $3338 Canadian = $2640 US + 7% GSTax + 10% provincial tax. Why
should we have to pay almost *double* for these computers!?!

Not fair!

(sorry, but i just wish apple would have some real discounts here...)

Sean
> 
> 
> Jeff Haferman                            internet: haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu
> Department of Mechanical Engineering     DoD 0186  BMWMOA 44469  AMA 460140
> The University of Iowa
> Iowa City, IA  52242                                 '76 R90S
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kmeek@cti.com (Kevin Meek)
Subject: Is there a scripting language for the mac
Summary: Looking for a batch file funtionality in the mac
Keywords: macros scripts MAC
Organization: Comprehensive Technologies Int., Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:20:53 GMT


I want to write script to switch between ethernet and appletalk and
assign it to an icon so our executives can attach their laptop to 
the network just by clicking an Icon. 

Is there anything for the mac that is similar to a DOS batch file?

Thanks -- and sorry if this is a FAQ

Kevin

-- 
Kevin Meek 
kmeek@cti.com
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From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: History was made today...
Date: 20 Dec 92 11:30:47 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <parkyn.724609082@sfu.ca>, parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:
> hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) writes:
> 
>>When the Apple Macintosh was first introduced, IBM derided this computer
>>as "a toy" claiming that mice were too difficult for users to comprehend
> *** The original Macintosh was 'useless'. That why it was quickly changed
> *** to the 512K, 512Ke, Plus. Now you have something that is 'starting'
> *** to become useful.

The original Macintosh was *NOT* useless. It was, however, just enough
technology to be usable and reasonably priced. Your current sense of
computing devices is tainting your recall.

The change to the Plus didn't happen that quickly. It took 2 years.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rgaros@bio.vu.nl (Rene G.A. Ros)
Subject: Access CD-ROM ext wanted
Organization: VU Biology, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:20:55 GMT

I have a very old extension for use with an old CD-ROM drive. It
still works with System 7.0 but not with any other extension in the
new Apple CD-ROM set (High Sierra File Access etc.)

Does someone know a way to get a new version?

Thanks in advance,
Rene

************************************************************
Ren'e G.A. Ros                        Amsterdam, Netherlands
rgaros@bio.vu.nl                    rgaros@nikhefk.nikhef.nl
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My English is niet very well en ook nog not so snel,
but that comes later wel.
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From: lkress@reed.edu (Lucien Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: ** WARNING ** AVOID TIGER SOFTWARE!!!!
Keywords: TIGER SOFWARE, DAVID SIEGEL, FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:17:47 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

A second perspective on Tiger Software:  I have ordered from
Tiger several times in the last year.  I received my orders
when they said I would, and their prices were competitive and
sometimes unbeatable.  Perhaps the previous poster's experience
was unusual -- or perhaps my experiences were.  I would order
from Tiger again without hesitation.

Lucien Kress <lkress@reed.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc