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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 11:10:01 MST
From: <ASRPA@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject:    Pilot error likely

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PILOT ERROR LIKELY CAUSE OF  NEPAL  AIRBUS CRASH:  NEPAL  PILOTS
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    KATHMANDU (AFX) - Pilot error and a lack of guidance equipment
at Kathmandu airport are the likely causes of yesterday's crash of
a Pakistan International Airlines Airbus A-300 that killed 167
people, pilots said.

    Senior pilots at Royal  Nepal  Airlines Corp, who refused to be
named, said  the Airbus A-300 was flying too low on its approach to
Kathmandu's Tribhuvan International Airport and that the plane
should have been above 9,000 feet when it was 15 km from the
runway.

    The plane crashed into Bhate Bhir Hill at an altitude of 8,350
feet just  six minutes before it was due to land.

    "The aircraft should have been above 9,000 feet because of two
mountains between 8,300 and 8,500 feet located on both sides of the
air corridor prescribed for inbound aircraft," one pilot said.

    The crash of PIA flight 268 from Karachi follows a similar
disaster on July 31 when a Thai International Airlines Airbus
A310-300 hit a mountain northwest of here, killing all 113 people
aboard.

    Kathmandu airport is equipped with a guidance beacon but does
not have full radar coverage to allow air traffic controllers to
warn jets that they are off course or too low.

    A civil aviation department official said the government is to
install a radar system and extend the runway at the airport.
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From: joshee@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jeetendra R. Joshee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Re: Dashai and Tihar
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:01:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.Bv7Mq2.LJK
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <6185@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> mbheprg@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Raju Gurung) writes:
>
>Hi,
>	With the Dashai so near, I was wondering , does anyone out there
>know what are are the actual dates. Oct 4 is kalratri and 6th is tika,
>I think, what about the rest esp the date for tihar ?
>	Cheers.
>-- 
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>| Raju Gurung, Dept of Elec. Eng., University of Manchester, U.K.   |
>| Internet: gurung@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk  Janet: gurung@uk.ac.man.ee.hpa |
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Here are the dates for Dasain and Tihar:

Dasain:

Sept. 27	Ghatasthapana
Oct.  3		Fulpaati
Oct.  4		Mahaa Astami
Oct.  5		Mahaa Nawami
Oct.  6		Vijayaa Dashami
Oct.  11	Kojaagrat Purnimaa

Tihar:

Oct. 23		Kaag Tihar
Oct. 24		Kukur Poojaa
Oct. 25		Laxmi Poojaa
Oct. 26		Gobardhan or Mha Poojaa
Oct. 27		Bhai Tikaa

Some Other dates:

Nov. 23		Baalaa Chaturdashi (Satbij Chharne)
Nov. 29		Bibaaha Panchami (Janakpur Melaa)
Jan. 14 (1993)	Maaghe Sakranti
Feb. 19		Shiva Raatri
March 8		Phaagu Purnimaa
March 22	Ghode Jaatraa
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: sorry... test
Date: 28 Sep 1992 16:03:52 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Test for soc.culture.nepal

hi there!
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From: kg+02@me.unda.EDU (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: Re: this is a test tes
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:14:34 GMT

Get your ass out of here,this is getting ugly and disturbing,
this is a social channel.

kaya

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From: c9112151@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Paul A Watters)
Subject: Seamus Heaney
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:24:54 GMT

I am an Australian student interested in getting touch with the
Irish poet Seamus Heaney. Does anyone have his postal address
or know where I can get in touch with him? Please send any
information to the following e-mail address:

c9112151@frey.newcastle.edu.au

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Paul Watters
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Nationalism - or Why do people have flags in their gardens?
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:46:35 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:

>David Morning wrote, "Given that about the only people on this earth who
>refer to football as 'soccer' are Americans..."

>Let's have some truth here.  Soccer is soccer and not "football" in the
>U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand, i.e. in most of the English-
>speaking world.  What they mean by some word resembling and derived from
>"football" in Spanish or Portugese or any other language is utterly
>irrelevant to the question of what the words mean in English.

Oh but it does, particularly when someone is trying weave some sort of
political point to make a cheap jibe.


Dave

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From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: Re: Celtic ideas of plants
Keywords: celtic languages, celtic culture, plants
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:04:52 GMT

newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:


>  First off, the oft-misquoted "fact" about "Tree Ogham".  The original
>names for the ogham characters was after a number of things, not just
>trees.  Paring down to trees came later.  So this is worthless evidence.

Damian McManus in his "A Guide To Ogham" (pub. by An Sagart, St.
Patrick's College, and currently in print, easily ordered from Ford
and Bailie here in the states for those of you really interested
in ogham) gives the following list of names for the Ogham character set:

(page 3, paragraph 1.3)

Beithe, Luis, Fern, Sail, Nin
hU/ath, Dair, Tinne, Coll, Cert
Muin, Gort, (n)Ge/tal, Straif, Ruis
Ailm, Onn, U/r, Edad, Idad
E/bad, O/r, Uilen, Pi/n Iphi/n, Emancholl

Grabbing my handy Dictionary of the Irish Language, I come up with
these translations:

Birch, "quicken tree, rowan-tree", alder, "willow, sallow, somet, an
osier", ash

whitethorn, oak, "holly, elder ? (the DIL puts question marks after
this definition), hazel 

(and here my eyes give up - they need to ship microscopes with these
dictionaries :-])

I think almost all of these are tree names, and the names of the
characters aren't the only evidence for this.  Farther down the page,
we find:

    The following description of the alphabet and how it is read is
    recorded in the manuscript tradition in the Auraicept na nEces:
    [Old Irish text left out].  "This is their number:  [there are]
    five groups of Ogam and each group [has] five [letters] and each
    of them [has] from one to five [scores], and their orientations
    distinguish them.  Their orientations are:  right of the stemline,
    left of the stemline, across the stemline, through the stemline,
    around the stemline.  Ogam is climbed (i.e. read) as a tree is
    climbed, i.e. treading on the root of teh tree first with one's
    right hand before one and one's left hand last.  After that it is
    across it and against it and through it and around it.

    It is interesting to note that although the alphabet is almost
    invariably written horizontally (from left to right) in the
    manuscripts this account would appear to describe a vertically
    disposed Ogam.

However, I think that attempts to stretch the names of the character
set into something much more significant lack credibility.  First and
foremost, you've got to remember that ogham isn't an alphabet at all.
It really is just another character set for the Latin alphabet.  That
means it's pretty closely linked to the introduction of Christianity
into Ireland.

-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
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From: seanr@spock.retix.com (Sean MacRoibeaird)
Subject: Re: Cliff Richard
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:21:11 GMT

What has a tuneless gobshite like Cliff Richard got to do with this
newsgroup ? Just asking ???
-- 

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The views expressed here are mine, and mine  alone. If you want to know
my employer's opinion - ask him.
From: gsut@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Giles Sutherland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: My Ugly American post for the year....
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:18:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <1992Oct1.123456.17627@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
> In article <21008@drutx.ATT.COM> ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240) writes:
> 
> (62 lines about American Revolution, postwar reconstruction etc. deleted)
> 
> > Please don't come back to this net until you have
> >cogent to contribute to the exploration of CELTIC culture.
Agreed
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Learning The Gaelic Language
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:11:55 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <92275.120142RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>, Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes...

>You already know enought Gaelic to be a good tourist (none at all!).
>Seriously, Irish is not required in any part of Ireland, (which is both
>fortunate and unfortunate, but that's a different debate) and it's
>quite likely that attempts to use Irish could cause embarrassment for
>yourself and/or your host. Some people have very negative attitudes to
>Irish, some people are embarrassed at having lost what Irish they learnt
>at school, some poeple consider Irish to have unacceptable political
>overtones, and some people may just find it patronising.
> 
Although I would generally agree, I was a tourist in Ireland last year
and can offer the following:

Get a map of Ireland with the Gaeltachts (Irish speaking areas on it). In
these areas, the signing is in Irish only. You really need to get a map
which shows the Irish names for the towns in the Gaeltachts, as the English
town names do not always appear on signs. Sometimes, warning signs are
written in Irish only!

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  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: tonight's viewing on U.K. t.v.
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:26:29 GMT
Organization: not St. Andrews University

Great nights t.v. for U.K. viewers on BBC2 includes

	6:00 Stingray
 	6:25 The man from UNCLE
	7:15 Sounds of the sixties: the folk revival

and more interesting for this news group:

	9:30 Under the Sun:Tribes of Europe -
		ninety minute patriots

And I quote - The remarkable trilogy concludes close to home with a look 
at Scotland. At a gathering of the clan MacLean on the isle of Mull the
poet Sorley MacLean laments the lack of Scots among the tribe - they come
from America and New Zealand but feel thouroughly scottish. etc
etc
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Nationalism - or Why do people have flags in their gardens?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:09:53 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

>>dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) rebuts:

>>> Given that about the only people on this earth who refer to football as 'soccer'
>>> are Americans, your creating a straw man Ullick. It's football in just about
>>> every European country as well as South American countries.

>In countries whre English in the official language, only Britain usually
>says football.  In North America and the Antipodes Soccer is prefered 
>because other sports are usually called football.  As you can see usage
>in Ireland is split.  And words like fussball and futbol have nothing to 
>do with it.  They're not English words, and like it or not, we use English here

....and the English word for it is football, since ummmm 1850ish?
So if we're using English here and Gary uses an English word like football
what are you complaining about?

>If referring to foreign words, why not explain that Calcio does not
>translate as football.

In any country where the game is played to any extent it's football or a
linguistic derivative of that word.

Anywhere it isn't played to any great extent (such as US, Canada, Australia)
it's demoted to 'soccer' with the term 'football' being taken to mean
the main national game be it American, Australian Rules or whatever.

Of course you may find some exceptions, but by and large, it's called football
in most European countries, even in Dutch (not sure about the double variety
though)

Why are you so desperate to "Americanise" it into 'soccer' anyway?


Dave

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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: My Ugly American post for the year....
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:18:29 GMT

From article <21008@drutx.ATT.COM>, by ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240):
> In article <23000@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> |> In article <1992Sep29.131551.8083@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> |> > 
> |> >  [stuffabout "bashing the US"] by MH
> |> >
> |> 
> |>    [vociferous reposte about "bashing europeans"] by gln
> |> 
> 
>       [a what some calmer support of gln's comments] by ljb

At last ljb has managed to get this stuff back into the domain of s.c.c.
by refering to the part that "celts" played in the role of the EMPIRE.
We should also remember that the Scots unfortunately were the one who
tended to want and go out and "convert the heathens" (e.g. Livingstone,
Mungo Park, Mary Slessor(sp?), etc). However, is it valid to criticise
all of the present population of Scotland for the sins of their fathers.
Such attacks only cause the people being attacked to try and defend the
faults of the past, and thereby propogate them. Equally, should gln be
attacked for all of the past misdemeanors of the US (he may have opposed
the Vietnam War, he may support Native American causes, etc). Certainly,
criticise someone for the views they hold or the actions (or sometimes
inaction), but do not criticise because of the sins of the father (or
mother).

My own personal critism of some Americans and Europeans are those (Reagan,
Thatcher, Major, Bush, etc) who hold capitalism up a the saviour of the world,
and unfortunately, many of those tend to be Americans because they are
more visible. Many of my "heros" are Americans Alexander Berkman, Emma
Goldman, Molly Steiner, Joe Hill, Parsons, Paul Goodman, etc). Done
criticise based on nationality, criticise based on ideology.

													GW
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilt availability.
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:24:27 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <BvExA4.JEB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, worden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (elizabeth worden) writes...

>need to test reality by using your eyes carefully the next time you
>see a pipe band.  For information, since you seem to not know about
>these things, both genders even tend to wear the same thing under their
>kilts... boxer shorts in wild prints!
> 
Do you understand the difference between a kilt and a piece of cloth worn
around the waist with pleats and a tartan pattern on it? Just because
an item fits into the latter category, does not necessarily mean it is a kilt.

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From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilt availability.
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:23:39 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <BvFyFt.54r@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
>worden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (elizabeth worden) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep16.115343.23722@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>>>
>>>The OED says under Kilt... "part of Highland man's dress. Similar garment worn
>>>by children and women". ie. Men wear kilts, women wear something similar,
>>>this being a kilted skirt
>>>
>>>Craig
>>>
>
>
>  BY DEFINITION, as Craig is correctly stating, the Kilt is something
>  worn by a man.  This is its historic origin and etymological definition.
>
>  BY MODERN CONVENTION we come to know a piece of clothing called a "kilt"
>  simply by its material substance, regardless of who's wearing it.

No - if Craig is correct then a kilt ceases to be a kilt when the
Highland man wearing it hands it over to his sister to wear :-)


Plainly this is not what the OED says. I'll bet it gives a definition
of "Y-Fronts" as something along the lines of "mans undergarment".


To say that a pair of "Y-Fronts" is really a pair of "cami-knickers"
bacause a woman put them on is plainly silly.


What's the problem anyway???


M
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Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Mr. Walker's comments about welfare in Mississippi and Alabama
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:28:34 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

What I am talking about is the way people love to make comments
about how bad it is in other states, when all they have to go by
are reports given to us by the media.  

I do not remember your quoting ANY statistics.  Refresh my memory
please, if you did?  *smile*

What I am saying is that there are poor peopel around the world,
as there are wealthy ones.  Please do not limit your observations,
and for now that is all that i see they are, to a few states
just ebcause you have "heard" that it is a poor state, or that 
living conditions are poor.  Travel a bit and look around, or
quote your statistics (we all knwo what they are), before you
start rambling on about the hhorrible times of the poor people
in Alabama or Mississippi.

Yes, there are poor people here in Mississippi and in Alabama.
Yes, there are people here who are third, fourth, and even
fifth generation welfare recipients.  Do no blame this on
society.  They are able to be fifth generation welfare recepients
because the majority of them started having children at the
age of 14-16.  Some of the clients are grandmothers at the age of 30
or younger.  This does not soley exist in Mississippi or the
few other "poor states" who seem to get mentioned so much.

I am sick and tired of people who have never stepped foot here,
talking abotu how bad things are here and how the peopel whould
ise together to help these people.  Some of these peopel 
are happy the way they are beleive it or not.  They do not want help.

In my opinion, the Welfare program has been abused.  Welfare is
for peopel who are temporaily out of work and cannot provide
enough for their family; it allows them to eat.  We have too many
families who think it is a way of life.  That is wrong.

I will stop now.....myh point is as I made before in the other
controversary........don't make judgements about people in
other places until you know for certian that it is so.  The very
best way of seeing it, is wth your own eyes.  Don;t always 
take the word of the media for the truth....because it is only
words...and a perception.  It is not necessarily the truth.

I hope this has cleared the matter up....if you have any other
comments please make them to me, and not to the list.  I 
will be glad to clear anything else up, if it is needed.

Have a nice day!  *smile*

Suzanne
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: niall@nmsu.edu (Niall Graham)
Subject: Re: But I like Television Evangelists
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:17:30 GMT

>Huh?  A Christian, criticising a Christian singer for singing Christian
>songs?  I don't understand. 

He described Cliff's music as rock'n'roll (!) 
And rock'n'roll is built from the rhythms of f**king.
So praising the Lord through this sinful music is 
obviously an blasphemy of the first order.  

> Or is it that Cliff is British, 
As Cliff is not famous in the US, he probably couldn't sue for 
a huge amount of damages, unlike other Christian rock bands.

--

Niall Graham          "Punctuality is the thief of time"
Los Alamos                                   Oscar Wilde
From: dmcnamar@netcom.com (Dennis McManara)
Subject: Re: My Ugly American post for the year....
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:39:26 GMT

In article <23000@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.131551.8083@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>> "starbuck" appears to be one of those who is unable even to
>> consider the possibility that people in other countries may not
>> be so blindly nationalistic as some Americans are in theirs.
>
>Frankly - who gives a damn? I couldn't care less what Europeans think of
>the US or Americans. In fact, I doubt if most americans would give
>two-cents for the views on the US from Europeans. We are still the leader 
>of the free world and we are still the most powerful nation on earth.
>If that bothers you - well too bad - get used to it. Self-righteous, American

I just wanted to say that this arrogant ranting is not shared by all
USA'ans. It furthers the notion that this really is Tir na O/g.
   The Taoseach was in San Francisco recently, along with the European
Treasures of the Irish Museums collection, and was interviewed on a
local Public Radio Station. The interviewer said she had recently
traveled to Ireland, and had been impressed by how such a rich nation
it is.
   That sounded really odd to my ears, but of course she meant rich
in human values, from the fine art of the exhibit, to the traditional
music and dance, etc.
   Meanwhile we USA'ans must bear with music like Ice-T, and silly
TV sitcoms that insult one's intelligence.

-- 
Dennis McNamara dmcnamar@netcom.com
Purveyor of Fine Software: Composer's WorkBench
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Americans! *smile*
From: phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:07:02 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

I just typed in the wrong filename and posted something totally 
irrelevant to this newsgroup under the above subject line.  I'm sorry
for the waste of bandwidth.

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