HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: C News (was Re: gnews and moderated newsgroups)
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:17:00 GMT
Organization: Private

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
: 
: > In article <920725204@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: >
: > >Elm and NN are ported to 4.0, just runs fine. I'm thinking about porting
: > >the latest C-News (Performance Release from May 2, 1992) to 4.0.
: > >Is someone else working on this?
: > 
: > I've been meaning to grab the cnews sources.  You know, the worst part is
: > going to be hacking the scripts.  Specifically sendbatches, inews, and
: > anne.jones.  I've been using sh from 3.1.0 to run my old cnews.
: 
: It may not be too bad, a lot of C News in the performance release has been
: rewritten in C. I think anne.jones doesn't exist, all of inews is now in C.

I installed the May-2-1992 edition of Cnews on Coherent 4.0 beta. There have
been some problem with the shellscripts, cause of some bugs in the beta sh.
They have been reported and are fixed. Inews and rnews are still scripts, and
relaynews moves all received news to bad, although they are unpacked 
propperly. So, if there is a more recent release, take this.

Cheers,

Ecki
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent as BBS system
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:38:02 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bbs@neb (BBS System) writes:
: You mentioned you are using a program called QueBBS. Where can this
: program be found?
:  
: Thanks
: -----
: Posted by BBS User: Will King
: 

You can download it from MWCBBS. It's also included on the disks of
the COHware volumes.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.minix
From: Petri.Virkkula@hut.fi (Petri Virkkula)
Subject: Re: OS compare (Unix/clone)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<michaelv.711923616@vincent1.iastate.edu>
	<1992Jul24.001255.13675@csx.cciw.ca>
	<michaelv.711988050@help.cc.iastate.edu>
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:10:25

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:27:30 GMT, michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) said:


Michael> I stand by my statement.  You can't do it on an XT.  And, you can't do
Michael> it well on a 286.  Two important things that are missing: large address
Michael> model and true virtual memory. This is why you'll never see a
Michael> full-featured unix on a 286, and why the top of the line for the 286
Michael> will be crippled OS's like Coherent 3.2.1 (which does a great job with
Michael> what it has to work with) and SCO Xenix 286.  Heck, you can't even use
Michael> all the features of MS-Windoze on a 286, and OS/2 doesn't even bother
Michael> trying with version 2.0.  Because they can't do the things they want to
Michael> do without a) flat memory addressing and b) true virtual memory.

	But 286 has flat addressing and possibility for virtual memory
	in protected mode. However none of operating systems that I
	have used doesn't just take advantage of all 286's features.

	Petri






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From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: MWC distribution
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:05:29 GMT
Organization: Private

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

haug@zesi.do.open.de (Haug Buerger) writes:
: Hi,
: 

: Using credit cards for me is unsave. As far as i know, the 
: company who has my creditcard number can get as mutch money
: as it wants until my limit is reached. If they have my money
: i see no change to get it back. And as far as i know, most things
: are paid cache or with check in germany.
: 
: The price from the eMedia is not so bad. The update costs $60+$35 
: *1.6=152DM from MWC and 169DM+6DM=175DM from eMedia. I called

You forgot the 14% 'Mehrwertsteuer' ... This makes the price even better.
eMedia calculated the price in a way, that if the $ isn't falling under
1,50 DM (don't forget the charges for your cards ...) the price is ok.


: eMedia and they told me that there is an update information if
: MWC ships Coherent 4.0. The support is not so bad, eMedia has
: made a short german installationguide (20p) for the 3.2 version.
: I have not tested the telephone support.

This support will be extended when COH40 ships: 

4 day's a week, 3 hours per day

: But that's not the thing i want to point out. Coherent is cheap,
: but it could be cheaper (1-5DM) if MWC gives the foreign support
: to the national distributers. MWC can save all the oversea letters,

MWC has no US-distibutor, they ship directly. That's the reason, why
bying from a national distributer may be a little more expensive, because
MWC _and_ the distributer want to live ...

: and i think it would be cheaper to ship a big package of copies
: to the local distributer. My news was an information for the
: german Coherent user and a hint for MWC to save money.
: 
: Haug
: 

Cheers, Ecki


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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kranitz@dspalley (Wes Kranitz 4-6857 MRCE)
Subject: Re: Problems with Transferring Sun -> Coherent via floppy disk
Organization: Nowhere
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:18:29 GMT

Hi,
I do this all the time and it works just fine. I use tar (not ustar) on the
SUN and ustar (not tar) on Coherent. I would think using ustar on both the SUN
and Coherent would also work. Coherents tar is a v7 style tar which is probably
why you get errors trying to read the ANSI tar image produced by ustar.

Wes
From: bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: TCPIP & NFS in Coherent
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:06:22 GMT
Organization: Allan: where felines dance

messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
> 
> To the knowledgeable fellow netters: Am I correct in assuming that if
> I have a few Coherent machines in the same office, I cannot crossmount
> between them in 4.0?  Is that capability going to be forthcoming in
> 4.1?  If so, anyone knows when 4.1 might be expected?  (I would most
> likely buy 4.0 anyway, it sounds really interesting, but just for
> reference).

If you mean full networking with TCP/IP and NFS, Coherent hasn't yet, and IMHO
nor in 4.1 release.

What you can do now, is to set-up UUCP communication between your office
machines, at the price of few serial ports, and some time to properly set-up
the UUCP connections.
This can be made as a "ring" (one system connected to only other two), or as
a "star" (only one system connected to all others).  The latter require an
intelligent multi-serial port card, one machine act as the hub of your network.
The first require only two serial ports on every system.

Otherwise, if you wish/need the "standard" unix networking, you must pay several
thousand $$$ for some "real" unix (DELL, ESIX, Interactive, SCO, etc) with
TCP/IP and NFS extensions, plus several hundred $$$ for Ethernet cards and
cables, and last but not the least, increase RAM and disk sizes to accommodate
larger operative systems.

Bye, Lanfranco

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth)
Subject: Re: Coherent Software on a Mail Server
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:23:38 GMT

In article <1g5HoB2w164w@nzkites.UUCP> foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker) writes:
>I know that I can dial into MWC and use their BBS to obtain Coherent
>software. Is there a net site that offers a mail server with Coherent
>software?  From my remote leaf on the net, I don't have FTP access.  
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Foster Schucker
>
>
>
>Foster Schucker  (foster@nzkites.uucp)  (1-215-458-8354 (voice))

There are mail to ftp servers that can get stuff for you off of ftp sites.  Unfortunately,
I don't know the address of one, or how they work.  Maybe someone else here can tell you
how they work.

Ken Friberg

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Does v4.0 has C-shell?
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:25:04 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9207231540@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>gtj@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Glenn T Jayaputera) writes:
>: Wondering if you can use Csh now with v4.0.........
>
>No csh, only the csh clone clam is available.

There will be bash.  I've had it running on both alpha and beta 4.0.  A bug
has crept in, which I will be reporting to MWC, but I will be uploading it
to MWCBBS as soon as it looks stable.  

Tcsh will probably also be a possiblity.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: C News (was Re: gnews and moderated newsgroups)
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:23:44 GMT

Craig Harding:
>It may not be too bad, a lot of C News in the performance release has been
>rewritten in C.  I think anne.jones doesn't exist, all of inews is now in C.

anne.jones is gone, but inews and subordinates are still shell scripts,
though smaller, simpler and faster than before.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Version 4.0 Arrived
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:04:15 GMT

fanelli@gagme (michael fanelli) writes:
:
: Coherent 4.0 ordered July 21, arrived today July 28. Now I have to wait
: for the PC to arrive...
: 

Hey, that's not fair.  I ordered the 4.0 upgrade in May and haven't
gotten it yet!  Are upgrade orders a lower shipping priority than
new orders?

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From: phys1.physics.wsu.e!hlu@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: OS compare (Unix/clone)
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:20:00 GMT
Organization: Washington State University
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <1992Jul22.155542.27586@aie.nl>, kim@aie.nl (Kim Schrijvers) 
writes:
|> Hello,
|> 
|> Can anyone tell me the pro and contras of the following operating systems,
 I
|> would also like to know wether they support TCP/IP and C++, and wether 
they 
|> run on an IBM/XT or not. I looked for a FAQ, but couldn't find one.
|> 
|> Coherent
|> Xenix
|> Minix
|> Lunix
|> 
|> Kim Schrijvers Internet: kim@aie.nl
|> 

Don't forget 386bsd (comp.unix.bsd).

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Hari Seldon)
Subject: Re: Questions on terminal/modem/graphics/tape drivers
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:39:08 GMT

In <1992Jul18.005838.10286@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> schwaigr@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jim Schwaiger) writes:

>I have been very impressed with the reports of both Coherent
>3.2 and the highly anticipated 4.0.  I have a few questions
>for those familiar with this product.
> 
>1) How many "terminals" can run on a Coherent system (please
>   split this into "pseudo" terminals on the console and
>   remote terminals run over serial line/modem).
sorry never tried to load the machine to find out.
 
>2) Which non-text (graphics) device drivers are available?
>   Can more than one pseudo terminal run on such a driver?
the ones you wrote.
 
>3) Which tape drives are supported by Coherent?  In particular,
>   I have a Sytos (1/4") and a Colorado (QIC-40) drive.  Are
>   Coherent files "compatible" with DOS files, to the degree
>   that the Coherent partition can be backed up using DOS
>   utilities?
if someone found a way to backup coh partitions with dos i'd sure like to
know. no there is no qic-40 support, tho it has been disscussed (by users
not necissarly by mwc). now i suppose you could write a dd for dos that 
would put its output on a qic-40 tape. but then if you went to that much
trouble you could have written a qic-40 coh driver :-)
bill pociengel
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: RE: Coherent 4.0 Questions
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:33:13 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

hlae0999@rz.uni-hildesheim.de (Holger Laebe) writes:
: Hello everyone !
: I have two questions about Coherent 4.0
: 1. In an advertisment the KornShell is mentioned, is this the true
:    KornShell, or just a crippled clone ?

A usable clone.

: 2. I would like to use some GNU-Tools like gcc 2.2, gdb, flex, bison etc.
:    Is it possible to compile/run them on version 4.0, since
:    under 3.1 there were some problems.

Flex and bison are ported. MWC has ported gcc, I don't know which release.
From my own experience with 4.0-beta I would say it's not a great problem
to port System V programs to Coherent 4.0 because it's very close to
System V.3. If you want to run gcc, you'll need a lot of memory, because
4.0 comes without swapping, paging and shared libs.
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From: marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo)
Subject: Re: Newsreader nn ported to Coherent 4.0
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:28:14 GMT
Organization: DeadZone * A/UX 3.0 SVR2 * 609-275-1833
Keywords: newsreader, nn, Coherent

In <9207227789@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:

>Hello all,
>this posting is done with the newsreader nn release 6.3.8 running
>under Coherent 4.0-beta. After playing around with this beast
>I'll send it to MWC.
	
	Just so you all know the latest version of nn is 6.4.16. Big
	bugs have been squashed, although it still has some. Just
	thought it made more sense to upload the latest instead of the
	version you have.

	Marcelo -

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From: collinst@esvax.dnet.dupont.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Reclaiming Partitions
Date: 26 Jul 92 11:50:52 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I have set up Coherent 3.2.1 on my secondary HD a 85 meg SCSI.  Partition
4-7 are for Coherent (0-3 is my IDE drive c: msdos).

I want to now reclaim partitions 6 & 7 that I setup for Coherent
now for MSDOS.  I have done this using FDISK and formatted them with
no problems.

My question is, how do I eliminate Coherent looking for these two
partitions?  When I boot up Coherent, it gives me a lot of error
messages on directories /v /w (the names of the partitions 6 & 7).
What do I need to change to eliminate this?

Thanks
T. Collins
44.66.0.2 (wi3p.ampr.org)
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Int vs. Polling Disk Access
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:01:15 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel) writes:
: thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
: 
: I think the file you got was compressed 16-bit. Then you'll need the -w
: option. You don't have to reinstall. It's totally normal :-((
: Expect 2 hours for a 500 k 16bit-compressed file to unpack.
: Coherent 4.0 is a bit faster because you do not need the -w option in most
: cases.
: So don't worry :-))

Don't use the -w option when uncompressing 16-bit files under Coherent 3.x
Increase the size of your /dev/ram0 to 640KB (see man ram). This reduces
the time for the uncompress to less than the half, because it now
doesn't use temorary files. That 4.0 is a bit faster is a understatement :-)
Uncompressing 500KB of a 16-bit compressed file needs only 2 minutes
on my 386/25. Also you don't need the -w option under 4.0 forever,
because it's gone.
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From: chaos.cs.umn.edu!bill@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: TCPIP & NFS in Coherent
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:46:00 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
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In <pbcmxh=.messina@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:


>To the knowledgeable fellow netters: Am I correct in assuming that if
>I have a few Coherent machines in the same office, I cannot crossmount
>between them in 4.0?  Is that capability going to be forthcoming in
>4.1?  If so, anyone knows when 4.1 might be expected?  (I would most
>likely buy 4.0 anyway, it sounds really interesting, but just for
>reference).
as has been pointed out before, if noone buy wizbang ver 34.6 then there
probably won't be a wizbang 34.7[+]. just thought i'd remind some folks

>TX,
welcm

>t.
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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Cnews
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:46
Organization: Private Coherent 3.2.1 site waiting for 4.0

  Hi all,

how do you install Cnews on Coh 3.2.1, if the shell (both sh/ksh) crashes
with "Stack overflow" when running cnews/conf/build, and even a
fixstack +1000 sh  won't change the situation?

Thanks for your informative answers.  --ralf
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From: romel@vger.chi.il.us (Romel Aranas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: uustat command for Coherent 3.x
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:35:36 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I have just completed a System V - like uustat utility for Coherent version
3.2.1.  It is my first attempt at writing a program for Coherent but it
seems to work well.  I am now in the process of writing some documentation
for it and will be making it available to anyone who is interested.  In
addition, I will be uploading it to MWC as soon as I figure out how to do
this.  If you would like a copy before then, send me email.



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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: gnews and moderated newsgroups
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:18:43 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
: In article <920725204@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
: >bob@allan.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani) writes:
: >: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
: >[...]
: I've been meaning to grab the cnews sources.  You know, the worst part is
: going to be hacking the scripts.  Specifically sendbatches, inews, and
: anne.jones.  I've been using sh from 3.1.0 to run my old cnews.

Anne.jones is gone with the performance release. The README says that
most part of the shell scripts is rewritten to C (*performance* release:-)
and the rest is hacked, to be more portable.

: I'm hacking on bash as a possible sh replacement.  It should execute the cnews
: scripts without editing.  It worked fine under the alpha release, but I'm now
[...]

Would be fine to use bash, if the scripts don't run.

: >I've requested TRN 2.0 and it comes with patches to 2.1 and 2.2.
: >Unfortunately the patches can't be installed with the patch program,
[...]

: What is the special patch program?

From the header of the patches:
"To apply this, either use a unified version of patch (patch 12u - 12u5)
or use the unipatch filter"
I've never heared of this, some with an idea?

: >: My favorite news-reader is always NN.  It's ability to mark interesting
: >: articles and reading them only is a big feature (for me).
: >: 
: >: Anyone has some experience with TIN?
: >
: >I'm running tin 1.1 PL11 for two weeks now. What are your questions?
                         ^urgs, typing error, I'm running PL4, sorry.

: I may give tin a shot.

I've send it to MWC, maybee you'll find it on MWCBBS in the next days.
It's also ready to download from my system.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: FAQ anyone?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:37:26 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo) writes:
: 
: 	In the past few weeks I have seen countless messages all asking
: 	the same questions, and countless more giving the same answers.
: 	It seems that comp.os.coherent would really benifit from a FAQ.
[...]

This group has a FAQ, it was last posted at 3/15/92, the revision was
1.5. This FAQ should be posted at 15'th of every month. I don't know
why its holders has stopped to post it. However, I have a copy of the
last one. Maybee that one get the permission of its autors to use it
as a base for a new FAQ.
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