From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Allmighty God
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:55:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <adams.714924351@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>>As for Pi, the exact value is defined as (circumf)/(diameter).  Given
>>>number.
>>Oh, it's a bit more complicated than that. But you do agree that knowing the
>>transcendent of time?
>
>Sure. And my God fits that.  He is trancendent of time...

	WHY?  SO?
>>>>Ah, but once created, She would then lift it, thus creating a miracle. 
>>>failed!
>
>>Nope, that's why it was a miracle that She could lift something that She
>>created that She could not lift. 
>No matter what, even if the lifting is miraculous, she has failed the test.
>Period.  To pass the test, she must never, under any (including miraculous)
>circumstances be able to lift it.  If she can lift it, UNDER ANY
>CIRCUMSTANCES, then she has NOT created something that she cannot lift.

	She simply makes a big rock, that is unliftable by deities, period,
forvermore.  Then she evolves mankind, lets them learn technology, and they
make a forklift and lift it at her command.

	She meets th following requirements: a) she cannot lift the rock,
and b) she can get the rock lifted.

>
>>You do agree that being able to lift something that you can't lift is 
>This violates the challenge.  If she violates the challenge, she hasn't
>passed it, she has sidestepped it.  Period.

	Gea, nobody thinks CREATIVELY nowadays.

>
>>Now do you see what it is to BE THE CREATOR? 
>Clearly.  As I did before.

	Well, actually, she is not the creator.  She just is.

>
>>The creator of all, transcendent of all limitation. Look it up in the 
>>dictionary. Now that you've seen the light, stand up for your right!
>Sure.  Without limitation.  Thus, since there is no limit to how large a
>item she can create, and there is no limit to how large an item she can
>lift, she cannot possibly meet the challenge.  It is a logical
>impossibility.  It is a false test.

	Admittedly, if the test got anywhere ever, it would have done so
the first time it was used.
	Maybe She should make a rock that She can't lift, then lower the 
universe?
	Maybe she only has power through humans, but faith, of course, can be so
great as to move mountains.  Hmm.
>
>It's along the lines of 'Have you stopped beating your wife?' and you may
>only answer yes or no.

	Maybe.
>
>>>>So how do you cope
>>>>with a God who is not allmighty and only knows Pi to one digit? 
>>>I don't believe in plenary verbal inspiration.  Blame the author of the
>>>did get darn close, considering.
>>Well, kind of close, I suppose. Bit of a rush job if you ask me. Try it for 
>>yourself, it's not like it takes the brain of Einstein or anything. Not exactl
>>what I would call devine inspiration. Certainly not a carpenter.
>Uhm, a carpenter (I assume you mean Jesus) DIDN'T write it!  The book of Kings 
>is attributed to Jeremiah by Jewish tradition, but that is not accepted by 
>modern scholarship.  The author appears to have written from other sources,
>including historical and prophetic texts.  It is likely that the author
>wrote during the pre-exilic period in Judah, but this is by no means
>certain.  The possible dates run through the 6th century BC.
	
	Maybe it's all made up.  Really well covered up, but all made up.

	Everything above without a > or more in front of it is my opinion.
Thes are NOT my beliefs, however.  If I told you those, well, then you'd tell
someone else, and they'd tell someone else, and before you know it the whole 
world would be enlightened, and there'd be nothing special about me.  Besides,
I had to do it the hard way, so do THEY.


					D