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From: lewis@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Pierre LEWis)
Subject: Weekly test of outgoing news path (ignore)
Reply-To: lew@bnr.ca (Pierre LEWis)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 06:01:05 GMT

Wish of the week:

  A tisheleh, a benkele, a baleboosteh bei sich zu sein!

This is *only* a test, *please* ignore :-)!
-- 
Pierre LEWIS    +1 514 765-8207      ESN 852-8207
Internet: lew@bnr.ca                 Corwan: lewis@bnrmtl

Implementing standards is like walking on water -- both work best when frozen.
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
Subject: Re: Guide for Teaching English in Japan
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:06:57 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: ont
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

BFLV@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BFLV000) writes:

> I am distributing a booklet called "A Comprehensive Guide For
> Teaching English in Japan".
> 
> We charge a minimum cost price of US$10 (including S&H expenses).
> If you are interested, send your name and address with a check to
> M. Yoshida, 2125 rue St-Marc, Apt. 1110, Montreal, PQ, Canada H3H 2P1.
> Please allow two weeks for processing.  Reliable !

Sounds great.  Please send it to me, free of charge, via e-mail.  After
all, it won't cost you any more than your advertisement cost me, and
since blatant commercial advertisements are not permitted or at the
very least strongly discouraged on the net, I have to assume you're
doing this out of the goodness of your heart.

Looking forward to seeing it!

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Kingston, Ontario          Alternate: <2843600@qucdn.queensu.ca>
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs
From: perwaiz@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Jim Perwaiz)
Subject: Wanted Called for interview - Help requested - and THAMNKS !
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:40:25 GMT

Thanks to everyone for their advice and suggestions.

Incidentally, on carefulconsideration of the matter, I found
that the company is the same but the job is for TWO
DIFFERENT POSITIONS - also, I talked with career counsellors +
your valuable suggestions. It seems there is no "rule" that
I "announce" this myself to either of them - this is what I was
trying to determine. Of course, I understand that if asked I will
be quite upfront about the matter.

The counsellor said that maybe I have a greater chance with
two positions. 

Any other suggestions are still welcome.


THANKS AGAIN
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The University of Western Ontario    |
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Yvon Lavoie)
Subject: Experience, Experience, Experience !!!!!
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:41:27 GMT


        Why is it that every single computer job that I see posted demands
2-5 years of experience.  Aren't there any companies out there who are 
looking for junior programmers anymore?   I will be graduating in three
months but I can't seem to find anything that doesn't require any 
experience other than having a degree.  How is a person suppose to get
any experience if he can't get a job to begin with.  It's like the chicken
and the egg debate.  If anyone out there  is seeking for university
graduates (I sure hope so)  feel free to send me e-mail.  I would be willing
to locate anywhere if only someone would show any interest.


Yvon Lavoie

(About to embark upon the real world) 




Xref: sparky ont.jobs:554 can.jobs:925
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs
From: tim@vis.toronto.edu (Tim McInerney)
Subject: Applied analytics
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:19:22 GMT

The following job advertisement is provided by
Bill Tapscott. Please direct all inquiries regarding
the position to him at (416) 597 - 2847

--------------------------------------------------

Applied Analytics

As previously posted, my International banking client has decided 
that Canada is the place to develop a front office equity 
derivatives trading system for implementation in its offices 
around the world. As advertised earlier, we are currently recruiting
systems development professionals with UNIX & C++ & Sybase to form
the development team.

In addition, there are four positions available in the Applied Analytics
area of this project... to create the business specification from 
research materials and act as the user/sponser of the efforts of the system
development team. To qualify, knowledge in this field is almost essential
plus a post graduate degree in Math or Physics or Engineering. Willingness to
travel and eligibility to work in the U.S.A. are considerations.

Salary base ~$75k+ (commensurate with experience) & bonus possible + 4 weeks 
vacation and preferred mortgages (5 pts. below going rate) etc.

Please contact Bill Tapscott (416) 597-2847
                         Fax (416) 595-5049

thank you,

Bill Tapscott 

Xref: sparky ont.jobs:553 can.jobs:923
From: dgilbert@jaywon.pci.on.ca (dgilbert)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:55:16 GMT
Organization: TheHd:s/.organization
In-reply-to: yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:41:27 GMT
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs
Subject: Re: Experience, Experience, Experience !!!!!
Distribution: can

>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:41:27 GMT, yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Yvon Lavoie) said:

Yvon>         Why is it that every single computer job that I see
Yvon> posted demands 2-5 years of experience.  Aren't there any
Yvon> companies out there who are looking for junior programmers
Yvon> anymore?

	I think that people without experience have to realize that it's a
buyer's market out there right now.  Simply put, why should *I* hire a
greenhorn when there's ten people with experience out there willing to
take the job?

	Honestly, I think University breeds misconceptions.  First of all,
a University does not train you for a job --- that is not it's
purpose.  It simply provides you with a hunger for knowledge.  Some
Universities have a `co-op' program.  In lieu of a co-op program, I
would recomend an additional college degree.

	Why?  How usefull is the average University Graduate in the first
four months? ... The first year?  From all accounts, they can even be
a hinderance.  Graduating with co-op experience gives you the "2-5"
years experience.  Graduating with a BA or a BSc doesn't.

	I'm not trying to say that the University degree is not usefull...
it's just that graduates often have to be "de-programmed" before
they're useful.  Look at my institution, for instance:

	We teach one course in `C', and one course in COBOL.  In neither
is the language actually taught... students should emphirically `know'
them.  We often use DOS, we occaisonally use UN*X ... but they're not
`taught' --- just used.  No OS/2, No Windows, No X-Windows... etc. on
down the line.  People need this to be useful.

	The courses themselves are very useful, but I wouldn't want to be
looking for a job without that co-op certification on my degree.

Dave.

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Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: employers fax numbers
Organization: Reptilian Research, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:57:29 GMT

In article "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com> writes:
>With the advent of PC Fax Cards, and Fax software which are capable
>of sending FAX GROUP BROADCAST, the PC can be an excellent way to "JOB
>SEARCH".

unsolicited snail mail resumes end up in the garbage.

unsolicited email resumes go to /dev/null (NUL: for DOS weenies)

unsolicited fax resumes end up in the garbage, and eat up valuable fax paper,
and basically relegate to sender to the levels of junk fax'ers.

please don't do this.

i get enough junk fax as it is.


-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 416-506-0654 ]
[                      longer life through colder blood                       ]
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
Subject: TWO FULL TIME POSITIONS AVAILABLE
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:46:53 GMT

FULL TIME POSITIONS AVAILABLE
 
Positions: TWO full time Programmer Analysts  
Location:  Downtown Toronto, Ontario.
Remuneration : $30,000 to  $46,000 per annum to start depending on
               actual working experience.
 
Position Outline: The successful candidates will be working in an IBM
                  4381 mainframe environment in the Insurance Industry
                  assisting in the development of Property and Casualty 
                  applications.
 
Base Qualifications: Very close to two full years of commercial development
                     experience with COBOL in a DOS VSE VM environment with
                     significant working experience with CICS, preferably in
                     the insurance industry. However, like experience in a
                     another financial industry (ie. banking) will definitly
                     be considered. Those with one year or less experience 
                     need not apply for this opportunity. Programmer Analysts
                     with commercial application experience as applied to 
                     actuarial and statistical modeling should find this 
                     opportunity particularly intriguing.
 
Other Information: The working group is newly formed and this might be 
                   considered a start-up position with room for carrer 
                   growth in a stable environment.
 
 
The above information is not to be construed as a job offer. This is only a
request for information.
 
NOTE: ALL given Working References Will Be Vigorously Checked.
Send WORKING RESUMES AND REFERENCES (4 OR LESS pure ASCII pages) to me;
 
 
                   silver.e@zooid.guild.org
 
 
Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.
 
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: "pam naumann" <pam.naumann@canrem.com>
Subject: contract position
Reply-To: "pam naumann" <pam.naumann@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: ont
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:23:19 EST

A Header is looking for a contractor with the following qualifications:

5 years programing in real time in "C", Unix, and 68000 assembler.

Famillarity or experience with data communication protocols: X.25 ,
  LAN and SNA.

Strong problem solving skills.

Send Resume to:

WTA
5400 Yonge St.
Suite 301, North York,
M2N 5R5,
Tel: 229 0277 Fax: 229 0278
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs
From: frank@jts.com (Frank Kim)
Subject: Re: Experience, Experience, Experience !!!!!
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:17:06 GMT

University study in a field applicable to a profession (ie. Computer
Science) is valuable for the fundamentals and theory.  I have seen far
too often where people have "worked" in programming positions but do
not understand the fundamentals (simple things like the classic data
structures).  This is generally due to the fact that they in fact, did
not graduate with a CS or related degree.  Some people do well after a
year or two simply because of their natural intelligence and they
overcome their ignorance in this field.

On the other hand, a CS degree teaches nothing about programming in
the real world where other factors come into play.  The co-op program
is good for balancing the theory with practical knowledge.  If, like
myself, you went to a university which did not have a co-op program,
you should have taken part-time jobs in this field.  If you did not,
then you should remember that you alone are responsible for your
education/career.  PLAN PLAN PLAN!

The only option available to people with only a degree and no
experience is to try to get into a large company that have campus
recruitment(?).  When a company hires a new graduate, they are taking
on a burden and a risk.  You have only your intelligence and a degree
to offer.  They are risking their time and money on the hope that you
can actually perform in a real-world working environment.
Unfortunately, because of our economic conditions, there are few
companies that are willing to front the cost.  The competition for the
few positions will be based on high marks and/or experience.  If you
have neither, then you are SOL.

For the students out there who think that once they have a degree,
some company out there in the real world is OBLIGATED to give you a
job, then slap yourself in the face a couple of times.  Stop whining
and get on with your life/career!

Carpe Daem(?) Carpo Duanam(?) Carpet Dumbo(?) Anyway, its a line off
a movie ;-) (Yes, I don't have a Dead Language Degree, I don't have a
Film Studies Degree, I do have a CS degree and I'm extremely lucky to
have a job in a field which I truly enjoy)
-- 
Frank Kim     frank@jts.com  uunet!uunet-ca!jts!frank  (416) 512-8910
JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
4211 Yonge Street, Suite 620
Willowdale, Ontario
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
Subject: FULL TIME POSITION AVAILABLE
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:43:06 GMT

FULL TIME POSITION AVAILABLE
 
Position:  Operations Manager in the Insurance Industry.
Location:  Downtown Toronto, Ontario.
Remuneration : $55-$70k per annum to start depending on 
               actual working experience.
 
Position Outline: This position requires the supervision of 10 to 15 people. 
                  Candidates should have actual commercial experience in 
                  preparation and monitoring of divisional budgets, staff
                  training and career guidance, as well as divisional role
                  planning. The successful candidate will manage three 
                  supervisors, each with a staff of 4 or 5 people
 
Base Qualifications: Three to four years of actual commercial working
                     experience, preferably in the insurance industry,
                     however candidates with similar working experience
                     in other financial indistries (ie. banking) will 
                     certainly be considered. 
                     A solid knowledge of IBM 4381 mainframe with DOS VM 
                     ESA operating systems. IBM mainframe with DOS VM 
                     and other operating systems will be considered.
 
Special Qualifications: Take charge of Systems Programming and Computer 
                        Operations group. The individual should be a 
                        self starter. He/She should have a solid technical
                        foundation experience in team building as well as
                        a proven track record of supervisory skills.
                        The successful candidate should be able to instill 
                        confidence in her/his team, and be willing to co-
                        ordinate and facilitate multiple concurrent projects.
 
The above information is not to be construed as a job offer. This is only a
request for information.
 
NOTE: ALL given Working References Will Be Vigorously Checked.
Send WORKING RESUMES AND REFERENCES (4 OR LESS pure ASCII pages) to me;
 
 
                   silver.e@zooid.guild.org
 
 
Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.
 
 
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Subject: employers fax numbers
Reply-To: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: ont
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:56:54 EST

Hi Jim

JM>unsolicited snail mail resumes end up in the garbage.

JM>unsolicited email resumes go to /dev/null (NUL: for DOS weenies)

JM>unsolicited fax resumes end up in the garbage, and eat up valuable fax paper,
JM>and basically relegate to sender to the levels of junk fax'ers.

JM>please don't do this.

JM>i get enough junk fax as it is.


I understand very well what you are saying, but to make myself TOTALLY CLEAR,
I would like to repeat something I said earlier.

Re: Guidelines I am following to compile list>

(1) Companies must be Mid to Large

(2) ALL FAX NUMBERS MUST BE DIRECTED TO THE COMPANIES HUMAN RESOURCES OR
    PERSONNEL DEPARTMENTS.

The intention here is to attempt NOT TO ANNOY ANYONE.  Or to avoid annoying
most.  I hope this can be achieved.

Under the premise that most MID to LARGE COMPANIES with human resources
departments have these department with ONE of their role to actively seek
"HUMAN RESOURCES", and that they do not mind "QUALIFIED" applicants sending
their resumes via fax to them.

Assuming that all submissions were obtained in a manner related to "JOB SEEKING"
then I would expect that under these guideline these qualified companies
wouldn't mind receiving a fax resume.

TRUST ME THIS LIST IS GOING TO BE AS "PICKY AS POSSIBLE"

Job hunting is not only confined to applying to a job advertisment, but also
to apply for potential future position coming available.

Basically what I'm saying is that the list will contain FAX NUMBERS, of companie
who use their "HUMAN RESOURCES/PERSONEL DEPARTMENT" to receive resumes.  (among
things.)

Regard

Richard

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  OLX 2.1 TD  Searching.................
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Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: henan@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Nan He)
Subject: Distributors need
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:58:27 GMT

   For the people who lived in Toronto-Hamilton area:

   I would like to ask if anybody is interested to be the distributer for
   a Telecommunication company which serve the long distance call at 
   discounted rate in the Toronto-Hamilton area.  You will get commission
   for each customer you got, plus certain percentage of the fee of their
   long distance call each month, as long as they use this service. You
   need to pay a small fee for the membership, no other investment is needed.
   You may work at your spare time. No bottom line and up limit for your
   compensation.  This is an ideal chance for people who want to make some
   extra income at no risk. For more information, please email to:

      henan@sscvax.cis.mcmaster.ca
  
   or call me at 
     
      (416) 741 2885

   Thank you for your attentation!

    
   --Allen N. He
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: "john whiffen" <john.whiffen@canrem.com>
Subject: contract programming
Reply-To: "john whiffen" <john.whiffen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: ont
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:17:06 EST

The following contract programming opportunities will be available in
the downtown Toronto (Financial) core starting late Feb. '93:

1) 6+ months strong Cobol/CICS/DB2.

2) 6+ months strong C in OS/2 & PM environment.

Candidates interested in either of the above positions should contact
Mr. John Whiffen (416) 824-9544.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: employers fax numbers
Organization: Reptilian Research, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:13:54 GMT

In article <vid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>advertisements for computer cleaning kits, hardware, repair, plastic
>dishware, cutlery, and everything else you could imagine.

my favourite is mortgage rates.  i've tried three time to get this one stopped.

>>Assuming that all submissions were obtained in a mann.Qud BBQ rs-yadad
>beepoupo1o

everyone else get mangled here too?

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 416-506-0654 ]
[                      longer life through colder blood                       ]
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs
Subject: CONTRACT POSITION AVAILABLE
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:45:06 GMT

CONTRACT POSITION AVAILABLE
 
Position: Systems Software Programmer as well as providing technical 
          support.
Duration: One year with a probable extension or renewal.
Location:  Downtown Toronto, Ontario.
Remuneration : $70,000 to $80,000  Canadian per year depending actual 
               working experience.
 
Position Outline: The candidate will provide systems software programing 
                  expertise to a large insurance company. Obviously, some 
                  analytical skills will be required. The canidate will
                  be working in an IBM 4381 DOS VM environment. 
                  
Base Qualifications: The successful candidate will have two to three years
                     of commercial experience working with VM CMS and DOS 
                     Virtual Systems (VS). The successful candidate will 
                     solid programming background and will have proven 
                     experience supporting and maintaining DOS VSE/VM 
                     and related products
 
Other Information: This company is a new installation and the working
                   group is still forming. 
 
The above information is not to be construed as a job offer. This is only a
request for information.
 
NOTE: ALL given Working References Will Be Vigorously Checked.
Send WORKING RESUMES AND REFERENCES (4 OR LESS pure ASCII pages) to me;
 
 
                   silver.e@zooid.guild.org
 
 
Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.
 
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,tor.jobs
From: David Mason <vid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: employers fax numbers
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:15:31 GMT

merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:
>In article <vid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>advertisements for computer cleaning kits, hardware, repair, plastic
>>dishware, cutlery, and everything else you could imagine.
>
>my favourite is mortgage rates.  i've tried three time to get this one stopped.
>
>>>Assuming that all submissions were obtained in a mann.Qud BBQ rs-yadad
>>beepoupo1o
>
>everyone else get mangled here too?

"Beepoupo1o" ? I didn't write that. The part of the Qud BBQ rs-yadad sounds
like another forgotten drunken spree, but I certainly haven't talked about
beepoupo1o in quite a while.

Here's the the article as it appears on this site... someone please tell me if
it made it out of here sane.


****
 Newsgroups: ont.jobs
From: mmt@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Martin Taylor)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs
Subject: Software job in Kingston, Ont.
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:43:11 GMT
Followup-To: ont.jobs
Distribution: can
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine


Please reply to address below, not to me.
-------------------------------------------

One of Canada's fastest-growing software companies has an immediate
opening for a software developer with experience in MacApp development 
using Object Pascal or C++.  This is a Kingston-based position that offers 
the right candidate an opportunity to join a highly successful organization 
recognized as a world leader in graphically oriented data access applications.  
If you are an experienced and highly motivated individual who works well in 
a team, send, FAX, e-mail your resume to:

Recruiter
Andyne Computing Limited
552 Princess Street
Kingston, Ontario
K7L 1C7
(613) 548-4355 (voice)
(613) 548-7801 (Fax)
CDA0348 (AppleLink)
daw@bhanu.andyne.on.ca

-- 
Martin Taylor (mmt@ben.dciem.dnd.ca ...!uunet!dciem!mmt) (416) 635-2048
Beauty being skin deep, it would seem that the hippopotamus has an
epidermal advantage that it has somehow failed to exploit. (Jack Kent)
Newsgroups: ont.jobs,can.jobs