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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:34:08 GMT

>	Question 1:
>	Didn't Lore die when Wesley transmported him out to space
> in "Datalore" from the first season? It seemed to be no question
> that he was dead, as was his creator, Dr. Soong. Yet they both show
> up in later episodes (which I have not seen). How is this explained?

Yes...They transported him into space, but since Wesley never adjusted the
setting we can assume it was just a normal transport. Therefore, Lore was just
floating around in space. We find out later he was picked up by a Packled ship
in the episode 'Brothers'. In this same episode we find out Dr. Soong is still
alive. It was only an assumption by everyone that he died on the planet with
the rest of the colonists. He must have had some kind of plan for a quick
escape.

>	Question 2:
>	Why did they kill Tasha off? (It's tomorrow night's episode
> on the repeats here in Boston). I've heard rumours that Denise Crosby
> was fired for posing in Playboy. Does anyone out there know the true
> story as to why they killed her off?

They didn't kill her off! She asked to be killed off. She thought she was going
to be a BIG CHEESE on the show and the job of Chief of Security she felt she
was too good for. When ST:TNG became a big success she reconsidered and now
plays a recurring guest role of Selar.
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:48:44 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Oct12.202703.5134@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>Well, let's make it a full-blown revolution, then.  Add my name to the
>list of people that thought the episodes were decent (not smashingly
>wonderful, mind you, but not bad).  If you get away from Star Trek for a
>while, go take a walk in the woods and stop reading r.a.s.* for a week,

Gee, this sounds a lot like what I spent the *whole summer* doing.

>you might just find that you can enjoy it for what it is: television
>entertainment, not a spiritual savior, not an alternate reality that you
>can run away to because you don't like the current reality.  Television.
>Period.

If TNG is going to be typical American television, then one wonders why
Paramount even bothers.  (Well, for the $$$ I guess.)

>	  Not the subject matter for extended treatises and theses.  Tune
>it in once a week, watch it, enjoy it, go out and do something else
>instead of brooding over the parts that you found "oh, so
>dissatisfying".

I'd enjoy it more if it had more life in it, rather than seemingly trying its
best to be as bland and boring as possible.

>I know that I'm wasting my breath (typing) by saying any of this, but I
>think that some readers of this group are on the verge of committing
>suicide because TNG isn't living up to their standards of quality.  "Oh,
>of for God's sake!  Please, PLEASE somebody!  Stop the writers from
>destroying our show!  Oh god!"etc., etc.

One would think that with all the writers in the world they could turn out
decent, entertaining episodes at least on something resembling a regular
basis.  Trek Classic managed this for two seasons; TNG hasn't pulled it off
for even one, yet.  I wonder why this is?  TNG seems to go *out of its way*
to point out its absurdities, implausibilities and blandness.  Which I guess
is fine if you're into "So stupid it's funny" humor.  I've never been into
that myself, though.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"You gotta grow, you gotta learn by your mistakes,
 you gotta die a little every day just to try to stay awake.
 When you believe, there's no mountain you can climb,
 And if you get it wrong, you'll get it right next time."
						- Gerry Rafferty
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From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:10:28 GMT

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>You know, I was positive that this one was tossed in here and would actually
>have a message that read something like "So is Peter David really reading
>this one?"

>There actually has been nudity to some degree on Trek.  There was Picard
>painting a nude model; then there was Q's au natural appearance on the
>bridge.  And in "Cost of Living," there was a nude dancer.

And who could forget L. Troi's near-marriage! (seeing her naked was
probably the scariest concept I've seen on TNG) ( I-) )

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of 
 anyone at all}
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: pad is sexy and nude!
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:53 EST

Ok, now I want a response!  :-)

...............................

(Ok, PAD, if you're reading this...)

I really LOVED Imzadi!  I thought the best part was Riker and Troi
talking about psychology, and Troi is telling him always to reassure the
patient and say "I know how you feel", to which Riker creates a scenario
with an engineer, the superior officer, and the damaged warp drive.
HILARIOUS!

Of your books I've only read (in no particular order) Imzadi, Q-In-Law,
and Vendetta and have thoroughly enjoyed each and every one of them.  I
want more!  :-)

When's your next TNG book coming out?  What's it about?  Can you give me
some hot Trek or Trek novel rumours?  Sorry about the subject line, I
just had to atract your attention and in only 21 characters due to cheap
system limitations.

I've tried e-mailing you but you didn't respond...  Oh well, I guess
that happens to authors...  (BTW, my teachers say I'm an excellent and
colourful writer.  Need a Co-writer for your next novel?  :-) )



-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jason Wong
Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
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Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:56:59 GMT
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>>>>> On 7 Oct 92 16:23:45 GMT, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com said:

> But somehow I can't see them saying, "It's sweeps month; quick, get Troi's
> clothes off."

Wasn't that what they did when they had a Ferengi kidnap Troi, Riker, and
Luwaxana?  ;-)
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From: bharring@aludra.usc.edu (Bryce Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Promos for: SCHISMS (#231)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 21:49:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Oct11.011257.16056@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>Promos for the next new ST:TNG episode: "Schisms" (#231) were released today.

>Here is the promo copy (announcer):
>
>WITHOUT WARNING AND NO EXPLANATION, AN EXPERIMENT IN TERROR HAS BEGIN.
>
>  [ Worf recoils from Mr. Mott's scissors ]
     ^^^^- does the ol' punching bag get it in this episode, too?
etc.

>  [ Bev and MedTech in Sickbay, examining Riker ]
> Bev:  It looks as though your arm has been severed and then reattached.
>
>AND WILL THEY BE SACRIFICED AS HUMAN GUINEA PIGS?
>
>  [ Riker on table in alien lab, a green alien (Tetryon) examines him ]
>  [ Worf and Picard on the bridge ]
> Worf:  Commander Riker has been taken from the Enterprise.
>  [ Riker awakens on alien examination table ]
>

*SIGH*

Looks like whoever wrote this script has spent more than a little time
in the supermarket check-out lines.  You know the season's getting worse
when the writers start turning to TABLOIDS for plot ideas!!  The TV Guide
listing should read:  "StarFleet Officer Claims:  Aliens Abducted and 
Dissected Me".  

Oh well, if the Q episode coming up is as well written as the previous ones
I might be able to sit through this one.  Who knows, they always say you
can't judge a book by its cover, and for STNG, the ads always make the
episode look cheesy.  

I can't wait for the episode on crop circles!!

;)
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Realm Of Fear"
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:24:25 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Oct10.011434.1484@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> smackinnon@mta.ca writes:
>In article <rawdon.718673432@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>In <1992Oct9.181330.1305@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes:
>>>1. how did Barcley know the worms were people? What evidence was there for
>>>this?

>>He didn't know; he guessed.  This was made clear in the episode, I thought.
>>People were missing from the ship, the experiment that went awry was performed
>>in the transporter room... it added up, mostly, and he filled in the missing
>>digits...

>	I thought that he worms were a life form of their own, because they 
>caused the body of the engineer to "start up"
>Then I may be wronge.

No, the worms were the humans; they looked like worms due to sensory
distortion in the transporter beam.

The alien life form was microscopic.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:34:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.718580087
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <DAVIDM.92Oct7193638@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:

>Who else had their pips messed up *this* season?  I think the pips for almost
>all the characters have been screwed up from time to time since the very
>beginning of the show.  For instance, I haven't seen good explanations of:

>1. Troi's rank (the one un'pip'ped officer!).

Troi was mentioned in Disaster as a Lieutenant Commander.  However, 
various people associated with the show have explained her "uniform"
by saying that she is no longer an active duty officer but a civilian 
advisor.

>2. Lt. J.G. Worf's promotion to Lt.

Worf went from being a helmsman to chief of security.  New job, new rank.

>3. Lt. J.G. La Forge's promotion to Lt. Cmdr.

LaForge was promoted to chief engineer, a position appropriate for
someone with the rank of Lt. Cmdr.  The only question is, why did
it take him an entire season to get the rank after he got the job?
Oh, well, maybe Star Fleet's paperwork is slow. 

You forgot Data, who has been in Star Fleet for over 20 years
and is still only a Lt. Cmdr.!
From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Realm Of Fear"
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:13:30 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

Just some things to clarify:

1. how did Barcley know the worms were people? What evidence was there for
this?

2. Can people actually move while in the process of transport? The computer
not only has to dissect every cell in their body, but it also has
to figure out where they will be moving to the next second so that their
arm doesn't materialize three inches from their body.  

This seems to be a new concept. Lwaxanna Troi once moved during transport,
but one could say that she hadn't really dematerialized yet... but to be
wildly grasping around in the beam??

I didn't really like the episode. I would give it at best a C-, and lets hope
that it's better this week!
From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:09:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.Bw4L7I.545
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Oct14.173153.2652@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>In article <Bw4DGB.2tG@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
>>Don't forget SHADOW LORD - the worst Trek novel of all time: past, present,
>>and future.
>
>I definitely agree.  It is one of the very few Star Trek books I couldn't
>bare to force myself through even once.  Also, avoid at all costs anything
>by Sondra Mershak and Myrna Culbreath.
>

If they're the ones who wrote THE PRICE OF THE PHOENIX and THE FATE OF
THE PHOENIX, I'd have to disagree. I think those two Bantam books
put 99.99999 % of all the new Pocket Trek novels to shame.

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From: W.O. Khan <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU>
Subject: No Dread in Scotty Episode
Organization: Baylor University
X-Xxdate: Mon, 12 Oct 92 10:52:11 GMT
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I'm already hearing the murmurings and usual complaints about 'Relics',
so here is my two cents....


EXCELLENT EPISODE.

So put a sock in it, all you whining complainers (who will probably vote
for Bill Clinton).
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From: os902821@ash.canberra.edu.au (Scott David McLauchlan)
Subject: Re: Imzadi and Admiral Uhura
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:11:21 GMT

In <BvztG0.I18@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:


>But ST5 didn't happen, so [Uhura's] only good episode is "Mirror Mirror". 

Hang on a tick! What's all this about ST5 not happening. Has there been
some official anouncement about it, or is it something that fandom has
decided?
(I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know.)

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From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Woopie Goldberg is a Toon... ?!?!?!?!?!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:23:30 GMT

My kids were watching a cartoon the other day called
"The Planeteers", in which eco-kids zoom around the
world doing eco-good, and communing with Gaia (the spirit
of the Earth).  The voice of Gaia sounded awfully like
Woopie/Guinan.  I couldn't stick around for the credits,
but does anyone know if this is right, or is my hearing 
just going offline?  

************************
* These are my opinions only.*
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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:31:53 GMT

In article <Bw4DGB.2tG@ra.nrl.navy.mil> luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther) writes:
>Don't forget SHADOW LORD - the worst Trek novel of all time: past, present,
>and future.

I definitely agree.  It is one of the very few Star Trek books I couldn't
bare to force myself through even once.  Also, avoid at all costs anything
by Sondra Mershak and Myrna Culbreath.

>My addition to the 'be sure to read' list would be CRISIS ON
>CENTAURUS - granted, it's been a long time since I've read it,
>but I remember liking it a lot.

I would also add _My Enemy, My Ally_ (also by Duane), _Uhura's Song_
by Janet Kagen.  She was a onetime author I'd really like to see back
including her Evan Wilson (Tailkinker to Ennien) character.

Yasmin

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Date: Sunday, 11 Oct 1992 21:30:16 EDT
From: Jennifer F. Murphy <JENNY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Re: --<Man of the People>-- *SPOILERS*
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                     *****spoilers ahead***********






>       *PUKE*  Hate to be rude, but...this has to be THE worst episode
>since..GAWD, I don't remember when.  This is an example of writing so
>badthat it defies logic.  Why would a peacekeeper bring his MOTHER on
>theship?  A sick person, at that.  I figure that would've at least brought


   She wasn't his mother.  She was another one of his victims.

   I wonder if this "empathic connection" he made rendered him impotent.
   Why else would he have rejected Troi and presumably all the other
   "recepticles".
From: stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: STV is NOT ST5:TFF, but ST Voyages!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:28:56 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

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From: stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: STV is NOT ST5:TFF, but ST Voyages!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:26:13 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

	Marcus TaiLore and I were afrasid this would happen...

	It seems people are mistaking "STV" in his article "Marcus TaiLore
speaks: STV" to mean Star Trek 5: The Hellish Bad Film.
	We'd like to reassure everyone that STV is the acronym for our
short story series, Star Trek Voyages.

	With this in mind, please read the aforementioned article, as it
contains great info about the upcoming Second Year of Star Trek Voyages.

							Thanks everyone,
							James Queen.
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Irrational fear of Scotty not being in future Trek movies
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:13:46 EDT

   It's late at night, and somewhat sleepy; reviewing the Trek net, and
a frightening thought just came to me.  There may be a mild spoiler, so
if you haven't seen _Relics_ then get out, or proceed at your own risk.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   James Doohan, in various fan interviews, (Cinefantastique comes most
foremost into mind), has openly stated some hostile sentiments about
William Shatner and Herve Bennett.  If the fallen deities at Paramount
decides to make Trek VII, do you think the personality conflicts will
force Scotty to be excluded from the movie?
   it's not an appealing thought, and I would welcome any comments
which would prove this hypothesis false, but it's the simplest reason
why Scotty ends up in the future, and doesn't go back.
 
                Junsok Yang
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From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: Deep Base Nine
Organization: SPS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:09:37 GMT

Of couse they might come out with the Porno Parody Deep Throat 9 :-)
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can't write!
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1bb204INNfc7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes...
> 
>In a previous article, sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) says:
> 
>>>      In case anyone was thinking of buying never having read Carey
>>>      before -- DON'T.  This egomaniacal woman couldn't write a 
>>>      decent shopping list let alone an intelligent novel.  
> 
>>Come on, Scott, don't hold back...tell us what you REALLY
>>think...
> 
>  Is this the same Diane who writes novels using Horta crewmembers and
>other unlikely characters?  I always get the Dianes confused.  :)  All I
>can tell you is after half of a novel with the penis-envy characters
>associated with the books which contained this Horta character... well...

     The author with a Horta character - Naraht is his name - is
     Diane Duane... but I recall no penis-envy.  Where are you getting
     this from?  :-)

>I decided they'd let the fans go too far with their fictionalizing. If
>this is the same person, I'd have to agree that she could NOT write a
>decent shopping list. Utilitarian, perhaps. Decent, no.

     Nope, the one who can't write a decent shopping list is
     Diane Carey.  She's the one who writes "books" first-person
     because she can carry a narrative no other way and dreams
     herself into a female-Kirk character who has a Vulcan and
     a Medic for best friends.  

>  And anyone who thinks it's their duty to tell me this belongs in
>rec.arts.startrek.anal-retentive, uh... don't bother.

     My, aren't we a little touchy...?  

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.            
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Old/New together
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:16:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.151633.27055@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct9.104819.1821@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
|> >In article <81146@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
|> >> 	Why must time be so inflexible as to disallow time travel?  IOW, 
|> >> why can't the view of today be based on a past where time travelers have
|> {deleted}
|> >
|> >old Enterprise'.  Let's say SULU, who still somewhat looks like his
|> >younger self, gets transported in time to the future...to TNG Enter-
|> {deleted}
|> 
|> What about using the technique they use in Coke commercials?
|> Cut the old footage of TOS into the new footage of TNG.

   Neat idea! Too bad that it would cost too much to do that. The
technique for doing that sort of a merge is not trivial and would
be much more costly than a normal episode. Maybe in a few more years
it will be a simple task...

-- Tim
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