From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov
Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: NASA Coverup
Keywords: Gravity Neutral point falsified
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <4590@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us>, snarfy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes...
> 
> 
>>>   No  they  don't  .  Abell's lunar gravity figure of 1/6 assumes the earth
>>>   and moon rotate around a common barycenter. The neutral point  figure  is
>>>   a direct derivation of that result.
>>>
>>>   My  calculations  assume the neutral point to be motionless with respect
>>>   to the earth and moon . What do your calculations assume?
>>>
>>> snarfy
>>>
> 
>   In   message-ID:  <3NOV199209041648@judy.uh.edu>  Dennis,  University  of
>      Alabama in Huntsville comments :
> 
>  >A very easy way to blow this one up is to  look  at  the  weight  of  the
>  >Apollo  LM  and  the  thrust of the engine. The rocket equation says that
>  >there must be at least a 1.141 thrust to weight ratio.  Remember  the  LM
>  >only  had  one Ascent stage.
> 
>   Dennis ,recall my earlier comment :
> 
>>>  The issue is not necessarily whether we landed on the moon , but  how  we
>>>  did it.
> 
>   I'm not trying to suggest that we didn't land on (and  return  from)  the
>   moon. What I doubt is that we could have done it all with rockets.
> 

What ever makes your clock tick man.

> >  Also  remember  that the Astronauts suits and baggage were set up for 1/6
> >  g and not .6 gee.
> 
>   So  we  made  them extra heavy so the astronauts couldn't jump too high ,
>   or wander off too far, right ? (see my most recent post.)

No read "For all Mankind" and find out what happened when they jumped too high.
Its called loss of balance, and it was a dangerous happening for the lunar
explorers. What would happen if they jumped, lost their balance and hit hard
on a rock?

> 
> > Henry can probably provide the numbers.
> 


>   Who's Henry?
> 

Henry is the guardian angel of arcane knowlege. He sometimes posts to the
net in order to enlighten the underinformed. :-)

>  > If any of you out there know Buzz Aldrin, there is no way he  would  keep
>  > something like this covered up.
> 
>   Probably not , sorry , gee, I guess you're right . Do you think there's a
>   chance I might get to talk with your good buddy Buzz? Over the ol' modem?
>   Us investigative types just like to get told off by those in  a  position
>   to know , y'know ?
> 

Buzz will talk with anyone with moderate intelligence regarding CURRENT efforts
to return to the moon. He will also answer specific questions regarding 
technical aspects of his apollo experience. Just don't act like a star struck
idiot (unless you are a female with nice legs|)


>   Now  that  you  mention Buzz Aldrin, didn't I read somewhere that he went
>   through severe depression and "therapy" after  his  one  moon  excursion?
>   What  was  this all about?  Was he confused or upset about anything after
>   this experience?
> 

Buzz is a great man who had a hard time dealing with the rest of his life
after the Apollo 11 mission. He is a very hard driving go getter who wondered
what else there was to do to top the lunar landing as something to live for,
for the rest of his life. Can you imagine being 35 with at least half
of your life left and a very remote possiblity of topping your achievements?
Well as a happy ending Buzz is working to get us back to the moon by 
buying off on Russian technology. He is probably behind some of the moves
recently that have us getting their hardware. We see him in Huntsville and other
places where the professionals who are working dedicating their lives to giving
humanity a spacefaring civilization meet.


>  >Also the pertubations of  Lunar  orbits  by  the  Earth  and  Sun  become
>  >significant  at altitudes above 800 km and dominate above 22,000.
> 
>   Where did you read this ?  Was this a paper based on theory or the actual
>   flight trajectories of real spacecraft ? If it's true , I'll be the first
>   to admit that it shoots my theory ...but I'd like to see for myself.
> 

Snarf of the no name, go read up on Lunar Gravity field studies. Start with
the Apollo 15 and 16 science summary by NASA for information on the 
perturbations of the lunar gravity fields by MASCONS. Then go and pick do your
research starting with papers by Bill Sjogren from JPL on Lunar Gravity.  His
data is primarily based on Apollo and Lunar Orbiter Gravity mappin missions.
For a nice primer on Earth Lunar Gravity theory go and read Brown's treatise
on the subject. I don't have time to go and the the reference numbers, go 
to a government printing office or AIAA  publications house and look it up 
yourself. If you are really hard to go after this come to Huntsville or 
Houston and go through the archives.