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From: pjb@cco.caltech.edu (Paul J. Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: KA9Q
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:51:37 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

WB6YMH runs a packet BBS where you can download all this stuff with
YAPP. Its also phone line accessible (9600 baud). Now if I only had
the phone number handy......


KA9Q is not the latest developer of the software. A lot has been done
by PA0GRI, WG7J and others. Many different versions exist, and so far 
as I know source code is available for all. If you do have internet
access all this stuff is under /hamradio via anonynmous ftp from ucsd.edu.

73 de Paul KI6CQ
From: MCGEE@lecs.ericsson.se (Don H. McGee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: VA IP Coordinator
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:48:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Thanks for the replies on my request for the name of the Virginia
IP address coordinator. For the information of anyone interested, 
I got an address assignment from Jim De Arrass in less than an hour.

Don  ecudhm@erigate.ericsson.se KF6CJ@WD4ELJ.VA.USA.NOAM
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:21:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.202708.18410@mail.cornell.edu>
	eric@j30264293.reslife.cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.175848.16418@gecko.uucp>
	lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) writes:

>> TCP/IP is just a protocol.  The fact that you are running TCP/IP does
>> not mean you are accessing any link, tapping into the Internet, Arpanet,
>> Usenet, etc.  If you run TCP/IP, then you'll be able to establish TCP 
>> based connections to other stations in your area which also are running
>> TCP.  Nothing else is implied.  TCP/IP just adds layers on top of the
>> raw AX.25 connection, to do things like error detection & correction,
>> routing, assembling individual packets into sequenced streams, etc.
>> 
>
>   Ok -- I was assuming TCP/IP meant Internet access.  Got it now.

	Lanzo is absolutely correct. However.. You cannot run TCP/IP
without having an address that everyone you want to talk to will agree
is 'you'. Typically, this is accomplished by assigning you an address
from the Internet's address space, and packet radio has a set of
addresses for just that. Thus, when you get your assigned IP address,
you are, in some sense, 'On the Internet'. The trouble is that packet
radio's hunk of The Internet isn't very well connected, so you
may not be able to get to very much of it from where you are.

	This is in contrast to, say, some internal corporate nets
which run TCP/IP, but are in NO sense on the Internet, since
they not only can't reach it, they assign addresses *themselves*.

>
>   The principle seems similar to SLIP - SLIP connections are made by
>phoning a system that is on the Internet, at which point you are assigned
>an IP address and are effectively on Internet.  That's kind of what I'd
>like to do with packet.
>

	This depends on where you are. Your IP address is half of
this, the other half is the connectivity. All you need is some way to
get your packets to something on the wire Internet. You may or may not
be near a packet radio <-> wire network gateway. You may or may not
be able to set it up yourself ;)

	Andrew
From: segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Current BM Sources Needed
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:58:09 GMT
Reply-To: segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com
Organization: Me and only Me


Greetings,

I need to get a copy of the most current sources for BM (the nos mailer).
If anyone cna help me identify a ftp site I would very much appreciate a
timely response.  Any set of source files would be useful.

--
Bob Segrest, KD4PWU
segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com
From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:49:18 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <9212171742.aa06613@ingate.microsoft.COM> a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
>Books to read:
>
>Tannenbaum's "Computer Networks" is good, as are any books by Comer 
>"Internetworking with TCP/IP (vol. 1 and 2)" and his Xinu books 
>. Both are computer 
>science major level (and beyond texts) not ham radio "how to" books.

I have Doug Comer's first internetworking book, and I understood most
of it even though I wasn't a CS major. So if you're interested in the
topic, give Kevin's suggested books a look.


Patty

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From: sbrown@charon.dseg.ti.com (Steve Brown)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.
Organization: Really Just Me at Texas Instruments Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:36:15 GMT

Just a suggestion to those of you looking for addresses of TNC
manufacturers:  Any recent issue of QST or 73 magazine would have
that information.
--
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              |  Steve Brown, WD5HCY         | Simplicate |
              |  sbrown@charon.dseg.ti.com   | and add    |
              |  wd5hcy@n5ldd.#dfw.tx.usa.na | lightness. |
              |  (214) 575-3597              |            |
              |  MSG:SBRN                    |    - Bill  |
              |  MS 8496, PSK0               |      Stout |
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From: chandler@beagle.UUCP (Jim Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: KA9Q
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:04:42 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Total and Complete Disorganization

I am looking for the source/executables for the KA9Q TCP/IP stuff.  I am 
interested not only in ham specific files, but also the complete release 
that has the ethernet drivers and documentation with it.  Does anyone 
know where I can find this?  I do not have internet access so it needs to 
be a BBS.  Thanks for your help.


------------
Jim Chandler, KD6IRV
sactoh0!beagle!chandler
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: barry@dgbt.doc.ca (Barry McLarnon)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP information- Thanks! And some more questions.
Organization: The Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:44:29 GMT

In <75535@apple.apple.COM> winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) writes:

>In article <1992Dec12.170751.1638@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>In article <75508@apple.apple.COM> winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) writes:
>>>
>>>If there are TCP, AX.25, and NET/ROM stations on the same frequency
>>>(not very likely! but I'm trying to make a point) you can have multiple
>>>sessions of different types open simultaneously.
>>
>>It's not just likely, it's assured in our network. We do level 0 based
>>on terrain and connectivity, not protocol.

>Thanks for the clarification, Gary. Here inhe Bay Area, the TCPers
>are on their own frequency, as they seem to be in many areas. 

I'm with Gary on this one... we are desegregated in this area too. :-)
Seriously though, I think it helps to demystify and gain acceptance for
TCP/IP if it's not stuck away in its own frequency ghetto (yeah, you may
have to use linear backoff timers to keep up with that aggressive AX.25
crowd... :-)

Barry VE3JF

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: stickler@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Patric M Stickler)
Subject: Re: BayPac TNC/Modem
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:24:51 GMT

I have three questions about the BayPac TNC:

	1. From where can I order one?
	2. Is it a kit?
	3. Will it work with any terminal emulator, or is
	   there specific software that will run on a Macintosh?



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From: eeyimkn@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M. Knell)
Subject: TCP/IP local cell nets?
Keywords: TCP/IP, NOS, nodes
Organization: School of Bogometry, University of Nottingham
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 00:19:02 GMT

Hi there folks,
With the current explosion of TCP/IP activity in our local area (Nottingham),
the possibility of setting up a series of dedicated TCP/IP nodes for IP use
only has been mooted. This is because of the poor coexistence of TCP/IP
stations with vanilla AX25 - when link layer conditions are poor, the
NOS stations usually use dynamic RTT timing and extend their retry times, while
AX25 stations don't. It's therefore been mooted as a possibility to implement a
local TCP/IP network, where a series of TCP stations which can all hear each
other (important) link through an IP router in a dual-port node, which then
trunks data to a main network node over a second frequency, on a non-user
frequency. This would be a kind of cellular network.

Has anyone had experience setting up this kind of network? Any advice/warnings
etc would be appreciated..
TIA,
Cheers, Mike


+-- 'with the lights out, it's less dangerous...' --------------------------+
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 \  AMPRnet: mikee@g7gpa.ampr.org -=- Internet: eeyimkn@unicorn.nott.ac.uk /
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: owpurbo@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Onno W. Purbo)
Subject: DRSI config (help please)
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Organization: University of Waterloo, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:25:53 GMT


My friends in Indonesia (YB-land) just received several DRSI PCPA cards
(unfortunately, without any manuals). We would greatly appreciate
if someone can give some info on:

	SW-1 configuration.
	DB-9F pin out.
	interrupt vectors & addresses.

We would greatly appreciate any help.
Responds can be directed to me or directly to Indonesia

	Armein Langi VE4ARM/YB1 - indogtw!paume!langi@uunet.uu.net

Thank you in advance.

73 Onno YC1DAV/VE3 -sk-
        yc1dav@ve3.yc1dav.ampr.org
        owpurbo@sunee.uwaterloo.ca
From: efinley@infoserv.com (Elliot Finley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: FAQ?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:40:39 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Personalized Programming

Where can I FTP the FAQ for this group?

            Elliot Finley (efinley@infoserv.com)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: kb7uv@panix.com (Andy Funk)
Subject: Re: Groups in Northern New Jersey
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:21:44 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC
Keywords: lonliness


The Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society (RATS), an ARRL
Special Service Club, meets on the second Thursday of each month at the
Wendy's restaraunt on Route 46 West in Little Falls (West Paterson), a
little West of the Routes 3 and 46 merge.  Members begin to arrive around
6:45 PM, and the program begins at 7:45 PM.  Informatl talk-in is on the
145.19 MHz (-600) K2AQG Repeater in Montclair.

RATS is very active in packet radio.  We also participate in contesting,
public service, education, and other aspects of Amateur Radio.

If you have any questions feel free to give me a call!

73, Andy
    Vice Chair (and Chair-elect)
    Radio Amateur Telecommunications Society (RATS)
    Voice: 718-956-0027

-- 
    Andrew Funk, KB7UV                     Internet: kb7uv@panix.com
    ENG Editor/Microwave                     Packet: kb7uv@kb7uv.#nli.ny.usa
    WCBS-TV Channel 2 News                      BBS: 718-956-7133
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: szeto@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (James T. Szeto (322))
Subject: BPQ4.06a and ARESdata 1.5
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:57:26 GMT

Hi,

I'm having problems configuring BPQ and ARES properly.

I get to the point where the ARES startup in BPQ, but I am unable to connect
thru the TNC port.  The BPQ4.06a does not recognize the dedhosfe supplied with
the ARESdata, so I tried the dedhost supplied with BPQ and I was able to get to
the point where the ARESdata is polling the serial port for connects.  However,
I tried connecting to the ARESdata and it would send back a reply saying all
ports are busy.

Has anyone successfully configured the ARESdata and BPQ4.06 to work correctly?

I've run out of ideas.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanx in advance,

==> jim.

James T. Szeto            ( KC6WIK )   | Internet: szeto@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov
MARK-IV Interferometer                 | Packet  : kc6wik@w6vio.#soca.ca.usa.na
Jet Propulsion Laboratory              | Office  : (818) 354-4685
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: high-speed RF modems on half duplex 
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:40:28 GMT

In article <10292350.14190.10426@kcbbs.gen.nz> Steve_Wright@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Wright) writes:
>gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:   
>>  
>[[>If you operate full duplex through a cross band digital repeater, ]]  
>[[>full CSMA-CD can be implemented. That improves channel thruput    ]]  
>[[>wonderfully as the hidden terminal problem is eliminated.         ]]  
>  
>This sounds great!  How is the collision detect implmented ? Do you just  
>shut down the transmitter (or gate off the TD signal) if you detect a  
>collision ?  What does your reciever recognise as a collision ?  

CD is rather hard to implement. Since you are operating full duplex,
you can hear your own signal, but with a delay through the repeater.
So you compare bits received against bits sent a fixed delay previous, 
dependent on your relative location to the repeater and the repeater's 
fixed delay, and abort the transmission if they don't match.

This requires keeping more "state" in your system than is often feasible
or desirable. Therefore few stations implement CD and depend on carrier
sense only to determine when to transmit, and accept the occasional 
collision from a station that keys up at the exact instant, less systen
delay, that you key up. This isn't too bad through a full duplex repeater
since the window where collisions are possible is small compared to total
channel time, and there are no hidden terminals.

In this mode, stations wait a random delay period after carrier drops
before attempting to transmit. That usually insures that one transmitter
will key first and be detected. On really busy channels, p-persistence
backoff will exponentially increase the time between transmission attempts
until collisions are reduced to a negligible level.

Gary KE4ZV
From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: KA9Q - What is it?
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:45:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

>In a previous article, I wrote:
>> The KA9Q package includes AX.25 protocols (and NET/ROM). You don't  
>need
>> another terminal program to connect to regular AX.25 packet  
>stations
>> (including PBBSs and PacketClusters). 

In article <9212150123.AA06823@westport.trirex.com> bmehlman@trirex.COM (Ben Mehlman) writes:
>I was under the impression that the KA9Q software is a router,  
>period, and that all contacts I made through tcp/ip would be  
>accomplised by using tcp/ip based network protocols/programs such as  
>telnet and ftp on my workstation...

The KA9Q package, being primarily TCP/IP software, does include FTP,
telnet, and SMTP. (And some other TCP/IP protocols that I don't
understand ... :-) )


> What software is used to accomplish the interface to the TNC??  

Same package. Because Phil wrote this implementation of TCP/IP 
especially for amateur radio (even though non-hams are also using
it), it has all the necessary code to talk to KISS software in a TNC.


>If there's someone in SE Connecticut who's doing this kind of thing,  
>I would very much like to talk to you about what's going on around  

I see that Brian Kantor just posted a new IP address coordinators
list, so the CT coordinator should be able to point you towards
someone in your area. I know there's a big TCP net in the northeast.


73,
Patty N6BIS

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: KI5IC (Frank Stocker)
Subject: Gateway 2m/Internet in Dallas??
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Organization: SSCVX1.ssc.gov
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:34:29 GMT


Is there any gateway from the 2m net to Internet in the Dallas area? I live
in
the South area.
Any comments/freq./digis would be appreciated


Replys may also be sent to my email addr: stocker@sscvx1.ssc.gov

73 de Frank, KI5IC
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: lapin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gregory Lapin)
Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get on Packet
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Summary: Has this ever happened to anyone else?
Keywords: Baycom
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:08:57 GMT

In article <21970008@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> tcline@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ted Cline) writes:
>
>Here's what I know about cheap packet systems:
>
>As I understand it:
>
>    1. The BAYPAC (model BP-1) (page 140 November 1992 QST, or page 83
>       November 73, $50) is a small modem that draws its power from the
>       serial interface.  It must be very similar to the TCM3105.ZIP
>       schematic.  (Also see BAYPAC review in December 1992 73)
>

I have been using this packet modem (Tigertronics BAYPAC BP-1) for several
months.  After fixing the RS232 interface design so it would drive my
computer (it uses nonstandard voltage levels to drive the RS232 CTS line,
which really is looking for +/-5 volts or higher rather than 0.2 and 2.6
volts and doesn't work on all computers) I was pretty satisfied...until a
couple weeks ago.

The modem stopped working suddenly one day.  Not only was it broken (it
uses a custom IC chip making it a little difficult to debug) but the COM
port it was connected to was also broken.  After playing with the COM port
I found that it was only the driver for the TD line that was bad.

This is the same line that supplies the power to the BAYPAC modem.  Could
it be the modem that burned it out?  Anyone else have a problem like this?

Greg Lapin
KD9AZ
From: phillipsa@skyfox
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Is there a packet BBS at Fairbanks, Alaska ?
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:51:16 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca

Is there a packet BBS at Fairbanks do you know... and what is the address???
???  IS there a general packet BBS directory available for north america ?
please reply to   phillips@skisas.usask.ca

manythanks... 73's

andre phillips   ZL3AW  (from downunder - temporarily topside...)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.noncomm
From: streeter@cs.unca.edu (Tom Streeter)
Subject: Re: NonComm TV: Any non-PBS stations?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:31:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.095822@kuttner.sfc.sony.com> weaver@kuttner.sfc.sony.com (Eric Weaver) writes:

[in response to the query in the header]

>
>
>I believe the group that took over Channel 32 here is one such.
>They call it "Minority Television Project" or something such...
>-- 

The station is run by Adam Clayton Powell III, btw.  I heard him talking
about it at the last AEJMC conference in Montreal.  Might be what the
original poster is looking for........



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Dept. of Mass Communication                 |   704-251-6227
University of North Carolina at Asheville   |   Opinions expressed here are
Asheville, NC 28804                         |   mine alone.
From: weaver@kuttner.sfc.sony.com (Eric Weaver)
Subject: Re: NonComm TV: Any non-PBS stations?
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:58:22 GMT



I believe the group that took over Channel 32 here is one such.
They call it "Minority Television Project" or something such...
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& Chief Engineer, KFJC 89.7 Foothill College, Los Altos Hills CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Subject: Re: AM Changes Hands in Cincinnati
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: APK Public Access Unix * Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:20:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.080746.3862@gagme.chi.il.us> you wrote:

: 
:    Excuse me if I misspelled Jacor -- I don't have my WRTH handy.

No, that's right.
 
: [Moderator's Note: Is it me, or has this multiple-station-ownership-
: in-same-market thing gotten a bit out of hand?  Now they are using the same
: calls! Geez.]

It can only hurt them. It will cause a large amount of confusion...

--
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Telnet: wariat.org   To register: send e-mail to info@wariat.org, or
log in to BBS and download file 'user.new' from file area 2.

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting
From: rwed@gnu.ai.mit.edu (N7YVM)
Subject: "Howard Stern" fine - $600,000
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Free Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:43:29 GMT

Did I hear right? Was it $60K or $600K? Either way I think thats
one of the bigger fines the FCC has ever imposed. As I heard it
from NPR, the FCC voted to fine Howard Sterns company either 
$60,000 or $600,000 for "apparent broadcast of indecant material".
The companys name was "Infinity Broadcasting". they are expected
to appeal.

WOW!

[Moderator's Note:  Yes, it was indeed $600,000!  The biggest ever. Yipes! 
While I have no personal use for Stern, it does seem a bit excessive and
scary.  I guess the FCC has figured out that the $6000 fines are lunch money
for big broadcasting octapuses like Infinity.  Censorship is alive and
well :-(. ] 
-- 
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and some other stuff

Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting
From: sjones@ccs.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: APR/NPR What's the difference?
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: _
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:04:04 GMT

As a Canadian I don't understand the difference between NPR and APR.
Could I get a brief explanation?

Stan Jones (sjones@ccs.carleton.ca)      ()
Centre for the Study of Adult Literacy  |\/|
Carleton University                     o  o
Ottawa, Ontario                         |  |
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