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From: cmholmes@gandalf.ca (Chris Holmes)
Subject: MDS 225's and ICE-51 for sale
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:58:14 GMT



                   FOR SALE
                   ********


	I have two INTEL development systems, model 225, one with a model
201 expansion chassis. In addition there is an INTEL ICE-51 8051 emulator
with these systems.
	The MDS 225 with the expansion chassis is in working order, as is the
ICE-51. The second MDS 225 may be in need of minor attention as it will not
boot, though it was working about a year ago and has been in storage since.
	Assorted manuals and software are included (about 10 binders full).

	These have been cluttering up my basement for long enough without my
finding the time to do more 8051 work. I would prefer to sell everything in
one lot, but I will entertain offers on individual items.

	The current pricing from GENSTAR for similar USED reconditioned
equipment is:
         MDS 225 - $2100.00 ea. Can.
	 MDS 201 -  $550.00 Can.
	 ICE-51  - $3495.00 Can.
                   ----------------
                   $8175.00 total

	However, I am not Genstar and this equipment is not reconditioned, so
to be reasonable let's aim for 50% of the Genstar price. I am open to offers
on any or all (preferably) items. I can deliver within the Ottawa area.

	Replies via email to cmholmes@hobbit.gandalf.ca.

							Chris Holmes

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Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: jud.newell@rose.com (jud newell)
Subject: KEYBOARD FOR SALE
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:06:24 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-05-93 19:53
For Sale

Panasonic Technics KN800 Keyboard....

18 Months old, loaded with all sorts of goodies....

Cost over $2800 new, asking $1200 or best offer.

Call Jud at 568-2524.
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Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: calla@ecf.toronto.edu (CALLA DOMENICO A)
Subject: Power System For Sale:  Make Offer!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:00:27 GMT

I'm contemplating selling my home system to buy a comparable
notebook computer.  Below is a detailed description, so please
read through it if you are in the market for a POWER system!
(This is not a 'beginner's system' - this is a fast, powerful
system which has great expansion potential!)
If I get any offers that I like - it's gone!
 
summary of features:
- 485DX/50, 256KB cache (real DX chip, NOT a DX2!)
     - motherboard U.S. made, still has about 1.5 years left on warranty
     - AMI BIOS, Symphony chipset
- 16MB RAM (4MB - 70ns, 12MB - 80ns) (64MB max allowable on motherboard)
- 160MB SCSI-2 drive (13ms access)
- Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller card 
     - has the latest ROM BIOS/microcode chips and latest ASPI drivers
- 3.5" and 5.25" floppy drives
- ATI Graphics Ultra accelerated video card (1MB VRAM)
  (still under warranty)
- 14" IBM 8515 monitor (up to 1024x768 interlaced, 0.28 dot pitch)
- 1 parallel/2 serial ports (one COM port has a 16550AFN UART chip)
- full tower case (room for 4 more exposed 5.25" HH devices - or 2 more
  full height devices - and 1 more internal 3.5" HH device)
- 300W PC Power & Cooling power supply (one of the best power supplies
  around - with built-in line conditioning, VERY powerful fan - still 
  under warranty)
- AT-101 keyboard
 
Operating system (included):
- OS/2 2.0.1
 
I'm asking for CDN$4000. Other offers will be considered.
 
For more details, or to make an offer, e-mail me at calla@ecf.utoronto.ca
 
Thanks!
Dom
 
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From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Wanted: List of baby names
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:18:41 GMT
Reply-To: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Through an unusual set of circumstances, my wife and I have decided
that I will have the exclusive right to name our third child.  Don't
ask why.  We chose names jointly for the first 2 kids.  Anyways,
before I check a baby name book, I was wondering if anyone had a
list of names that they could e-mail to me or post or tell me of
an ftp site that had such a list.  Anything would be helpful.  I
draw a blank when it comes to thinking of names.

Thanks in advance,

Bob Lipman                        | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil
David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC |       or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil
Computational Signatures and      | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618
   Structures Group, Code 204.3   | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753
Bethesda, Maryland  20084-5000    | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs
				   
The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Childproofing (NOT!)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:17:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1993Jan8.210058.28424@crd.ge.com>, kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
> In re toilets:  Tarin likes to flush them, and is very proud of
> herself when she manages use the toilet without assistance of any
> sort.  Unfortunately, there are times in our house when flushing
> is inappropriate (requesting too much volume causes the pump to
> lose prime).  And then there was last night, in which I heard a
> scream from the downstairs bathroom.  Seems Tarin has used the
> facility, and was attempting to flush.  But she didn't know that
> I had taken that fixture out of service, pending purchase of a
> repair part.  As near as I could tell, she thought *she'd* broken
> it, and broken things make her very unhappy, regardless of fault.

Hmm -- the latest area of fascination in our house is the toilet.
Whenver we flush, Daniel (3.5) and Rebecca (6.5) have to have the top
of the tank off, so they can watch the mechanisms at work.  Fortunately,
they're all working at the moment.  I've had to do major surgery on
them in the past, and that would engender so much ``help'' if I were
to have to do it now...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: celia@plato.ds.boeing.com (celia:/bin/csh Celia H Modell)
Subject: Re: airport waiting area
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:12:58 GMT

>I can add Denver, Dallas, Pittsburg, and Ohare to the list.  NEVER saw
>ANYTHING which would help a travler with children.

Doesn't Denver still have an outlet of their children's museum at
the airport (I think it was terminal C or D?). It was great fun.
They had one of the ball rooms that they even allow adults in :-)

celia
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:45:59 GMT

In article <1ia98sINNs55@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
>
>In article <dlhanson.26.726174156@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com 
>(David L. Hanson) writes:
>> This was posted to the home-ed-politics mailing list a few weeks ago (not
>> by me). I believe that it contains valuable information to help all parents
>> to protect their family from the State. 
>
>*WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's 
>so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in 
>his home? Come on, normal folks don't worry so much about being caught that
>they write (or copy) many paragraphs on the subject!
>
>It makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Well, yes and no.  After reading some of the child welfare horror
stories, I'm glad to know a little more about how to protect myself
from the government.  In our house, toddlers get breastfed and sleep
with their parents, and we sometimes walk around naked.  That's enough
to get the authorities called in if you've got the wrong neighbors
and the wrong people in local government.

Of course, I rather doubt that's what's happening in Mr Hanson's case.
He's probably just filling his kids' heads with a lot of drivel and
hitting them with sticks when they get it wrong.

"But DAD!  That doesn't make sense!  What about the dinosaurs?"

*WHACK! WHACK! WHACK!*

>(I hope that posting this doesn't make me a target for somebody who is
>dangerously insane.)

Hah.  Hah, hah.  Ha, ha, ha, ha! HEE HEE HEE! HA HA HA HAAAAAAAA!

*SNORT*  *DROOL*

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Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Leaving kids alone (was Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:07:42 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In talking about what ages kids can be left at home alone, consider also
what other activities they can be doing without parents around.  Is the
age for leaving them at home alone higher or lower than the age at which
they can go to a neighbor's down the street alone, or to a park alone?
Or walk or bicycle between home and school unaccompanied?
Does it matter if it is an only child or if there is more than one?
On a related note, go to a shopping mall on a busy weekend and note the
wide variation in (apparent) ages of kids who are or aren't with parents or
older kids.  I've seen some apparently as old as 12 or more holding
parents hands, and others apparently as young as 9 or less out on their own
(in a group of 2 or 3 of about the same age).
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From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Anus too small
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:11:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


About a week ago, we noticed that our 1 month old son Nathan had blood
in his stool.  We brought him to our pediatrician to see what the problem
was.  After feeling around his stomach and looking around, the doctor 
came to the conclusion that Nathan's anus is too small.  The hemorhaging
was caused by his excessive squeezing to poop. He recommended
that we use a Q-tip with vaseline to gradually widen it.   We have been 
doing this for the past couple of days and things don't seem to be improving
much.  Has anyone else had this trouble????? 

Otherwise, Nathan is feeding fine and appears quite lively.  His poop looks 
soft and so it does not appear to be constipation.  We do see a great deal
of crying and spastic stretching when it is time for him to poop. 

Thank you. 

					Steve Simmons
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Turning a breech baby
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:40:58 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <1993Jan7.224650.15583@leland.Stanford.EDU>, ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F. Topp) writes:
|> 
|> I know there are people who are willing to risk cord prolapse and 
|> vaginally deliver breech babies, but is it worth it. Think about what 
|> level of risk you are willing to put your child in  in order to avoid
|> a section. The attitude "I'll do anything to avoid a section" is not 
|> healthy. "I will work with my health care providers and support
|> team to try to avoid a section, but recognize my responsibility of
|> giving my child the best start in life takes precedence" might
|> be a better approach.

I gave birth vaginally to a breech baby but it was not my choice - it was
my doctor's - and I wholeheartedly accepted his position.  His position is
that he is here to help Mother Nature do her thing.  Since Mother Nature
allowed me to give birth with no problems, he did not interfere.  However, I
was in the operating room, prepped and ready for a C-Section just in case
Mother Nature had other ideas.  I really appreciate my doctor and his way
of thinking.  

His position is the same with miscarriages.  With both my
miscarriages, I did not have a DnC (?).  I didn't think this was really that
uncommon but almost everyone I talk to and hear from who also miscarried,
one of the first things they said happened was they had a DnC.

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:11:25 GMT

In article 29675@ringer.cs.utsa.edu, jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>I tried to post this earlier but I don't think it made it.  Excuse me
>if it did and I didn't see it.
>
>It seems as if water isn't given to babies like it used to be when I
>had mine (22 years ago!).
>
>What has changed over the years that babies don't require water?
>I used to give water to mine when it really wasn't time for them
>to eat.  It seemed to pacify they until feeding time.
>
>Jan
>

David during his first two years from about 4 months on had water
bottles for going to sleep.  I think he had water bottles occasionally
during the day but I know that the daytime non-formula/milk bottles
changed to apple juice at some point.  It was always water for bed
time, though.  (to help reduce any chance of cavities).  

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SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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From: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Baby furniture questions
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:00:58 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

I just purchased a Childcraft changing table last weekend.  When looking at
them my husband and I noticed that the platform is not of solid wood or
anything (I'm not sure what to call it, but I'm sure those of you who have
them know what I mean).  I looked at the attached documentation but couldn't
find any mention of weight limits.  How long do you use the changing table?
Until the baby is out of diapers which could be 2-3?  This table doesn't 
look like it could bear up with the weight of a toddler.  Are they safe
for 20-30 pound babies?  Do you find the safety strap helpful or just hold 
onto the baby with one hand at all times?  My husband thought the strap
looked rather uncomfortable.

We also purchased our crib.  We want to put it in our bedroom for the first
three months and then move it to the baby's room.  We haven't assembled it
yet but I am almost positive we won't be able to transport it from one
room to another without disassembling and reassembing it.  Is this what
people do when they want to move the crib from room to room and if so, are
there are problems with doing this?  We plan to use the crib for future 
children and I can see us wanting to move the crib around.  I guess this must
be why bassinets are so popular. :-)  After investing in a nice crib and good
mattress I'd rather not opt for a bassinet (especially as our room is 
plenty big enough for the crib).

Valerie Noronha
9 weeks and counting (Yeah! I'm in the single digits now!)
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help!  Baby fusses at breast--
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:38:01 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


	I have a faster let-down side and a slower one too.  When he's really
hungry I always try to start off on the faster side if possible.  Even if it
has less milk or it's only for 5 minutes, it makes him calmer to try the other
side.  The slower side does let down faster when it's the second side too.
The lactation councelor suggested trying to stimulate the let-down in a bunch
of ways from drinking hot liquids, wine/beer, nipple stimulation, pumping,
hot compresses, etc.  Corey still fusses at 7 months if he's really hungry at
it doesn't come fast enough.  This happens more later in the day when my milk
supply is lower.


Julia
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:50:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.145902.25526@crd.ge.com>, millerj@belize.crd.ge.com writes:
> 
> 	Corey will be 7 months Jan 13th and we've had a devil of a time trying
> to get him to lie still to dress him, change his diaper, etc.  I've tried
> making faces at him, giving him a toy, having one person hold him down, etc.
> Once he could turn over both ways and crawl he's impossible to pin down.
> 	Now I have to give him cough medicine and drops in his eyes.  He used
> to take his vitamins in a dropper really well but now it's impossible to
> do without getting half of it on his face/clothes/hands.  It takes one 
> person to hold his head and one person to try to pry his mouth open and
> shove the dropper in.  He tries to clench his jaw and jerk his head the
> whole time.  I do the eye drops when he's drinking so I can usually get
> one eye without him noticing.
> 	HELP!! Is there a trick to doing this?


Well, I can't help with the getting dressed/changing diaper part -- we're
still working this out ourselves (Alison is a big 8 month old -- 21 or so
pounds, 29+ inches tall -- and very strong!)  I'm lucky enough that I get
her dressed on our bed and there is generally a cat or two sleeping at that
time.  She chases the cats off (she's able to crawl very well on our
waterbed) -- while that is going on, I can at least get her partly dressed.
I also let her play with her shoes, which limits the crawling and she tends
to only roll over a number of times then -- its lots of fun trying to put
on socks and pants when she rolls over halfway through! (Yes, the shoes go
in the mouth, but....)

As for the medicine, I sit on the floor and put one leg over her middle.  As
soon as I do this, she starts whining since she knows its time for medicine
(she's on preventative antibiotics right now).  Then I have 2 hands to hold
her head and get her to take the medicine.  She does try to push herself
out from under my leg or twist herself so she's on her belly, but so far
has been unable to.  

I also have found that despite the fact she clenches her jaw when she sees
the dropper coming close to her mouth, if I just wait a few more seconds,
she will open her mouth to scream -- in goes the dropper and the medicine.
She just hasn't learned that she has to stop crying/screaming if she
doesn't want it! (By the way, those seconds seem like minutes while you are
waiting with a dropper full of medicine and alot more to go!)

	Karen
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:51:43
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
	<1ia98sINNs55@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
	<1993Jan05.012131.48991@watson.ibm.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In-reply-to: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com's message of Tue, 05 Jan 93 01:21:31 GMT


> Why would you think someone who made a posting about
> 4th Amendment rights was dangerously insane?

Many people were locked up in insane asylums in the old Soviet Union
because they suggested such a thing as 4th Amendment rights.

Here's a question (to tie things back into misc.kids sort of): did
*anyone* out there ever have a civics class as a kid that actually
taught the bill of rights?  Did anyone out there ever even read the
constitution as part of a class?  I know I never had such a class.
I've always thought that one of the conditions for graduating from one
grade to another should be to recite the whole constitution with
amendments from memory.
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From: darius%naqvi.uucp@isac.ca (Darius S. Naqvi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Organization: The Naqvi Residence, Morinville, Alberta, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:50:51 -0600

eal@dg.UUCP (Erik Lee) writes:
> My wife says that it is a common thing for parents to intentionally expose
> their children to chickenpox before they hit puberty, after which it can cause
> sterility, and, it sounds like, is just generally more serious. I'd never heard
> of anyone doing this, though i guess it sounds like it makes sense. Does
> anybody
> out there do this?
> 
> Erik
> 

My wife says that her mother tried to give her some childhood disease
when her sister caught it.  My wife and her sister were always very
close, almost like twins, so their mother probably thought that they
would both get sick eventually whenever one of them did.  She probably
wanted to make the healthy one sick because she thought that since
she'll get sick anyway, they might as well be sick at the same time so
that the total length of time that she is caring for a sick child will
be less.  She tried getting Nooshin (my wife, the non-sick one) to eat
with Anita's spoon, but Nooshin was so stubbornly healthy that she
never did get sick!  She says that she never caught the usual childhood
diseases.

Darius S. Naqvi                    email: darius%naqvi.uucp@isac.ca

"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."
                             -- Baha'u'llah
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Heart-warming things they say (6YO)
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:09:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

I have a pretty close relationship with my 6 year old, Brendan, though
of course we've had our share of difficulties. But every so often he
says something that just cuts through everything. The other day I was
sitting at my computer at home playing a game (Crystal Quest!) and he
was admiring my play. Then he said "You're good at so many things,
Daddy." I didn't want to be admired specifically for being good at
a computer game (which I'm not, really), so I said, "You're good at
lots of things, too." He muddled for a moment, then said, "You know
what you're best at?" I expected him to say something like "being a
daddy", so I said "Will you tell me?" And my sweet kid said, "Love,
silly, you're best at love." I almost burst out crying right there!

Richard Darsie

Newsgroups: misc.kids