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From: imccall@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian McCall)
Subject: Re: Fallout
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Keywords: the rocket
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:21:08 GMT

In article <PLcouB10w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.
dkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>bcannard@hppcb36.mentorg.com (The Human Mi-Go) writes:
>
>> 
>> In article <1e6sdeINNhdl@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaa
 Trude
>> |> 
>> |>  > I completely lose my grasp of the series at that one
>> |>  > point: he was inside the rocket, he launches it, it flies out
>> |>  > of the village, we never heard about it before, we enver hear
>> |>  > about where it went.  Perhaps they had to find a way to spend
>> |>  > all of their money for the second season special effects account

>> |> 
>> |> Ahhh, but the even stranger thing is that we DID hear about it befo
e!
>> |> Was it not "The Girl Who Was Death", with the dictator in the Napol
on
>> |> costume, who was about to launch a missile that seemed like a tower
>> |> from the inside?
>> 
>> Wasn't "Napoleon" in TGWWD played by the same actor as the judge in
>> Fall Out? My favourite interpretation of FO is that No 6 had wigged
>> out (pun intended - sorry) during Once Upon A Time and the stuff in
>> FO was at least partly in his demented mind. So it would make some
>> kind of sense for Napoleon, The Kid and the rocket to come back for
>> a re-try.
>> -- 
>> bob_cannard@mentorg.com			"More dynamite!" - Theron Marks
>
> 
> Yeah, but that's assuming that you can take the show on a LITERAL level

>which I find impossible to do. I mean, each episode gave us a new social

>structure, new Village lay-out, etc..
> 
>marlowe
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Can people PLEASE use spoiler symbols in their postings??!! Some of us are
watching the Prisoner for the first time at the moment, due to the Channel
Four repeats, and DO NOT WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING!!!!!

It's too late for me. Someone already posted the -very- end of the series
and I know it. But could we at least have an exercise in damage
limitation? Hmm? Just as a courtesy to others...?


Cheers,
Ian
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: wbogue@cwis.unomaha.edu (Leslie Schriber Bogue)
Subject: Re: ***Please Help!***
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:55:52 GMT

Number 1 is The General
From: pierson@ggone.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: alt.tv.prisoner
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:12:55 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Nov20.135716.1624@dct.ac.uk>, misb3crs@dct.ac.uk writes...

>    yet another question for those in the know....
	Well that lets me out.  All i have are opinions.  After the spoiler
	warning...

You were warned....

>        who is no6 ? does he have a name, or is that of no relevance?
	Some feel he is "John Drake" from Secret Agent/Danger Man.  Some feel
	who he is is irrelavant (I do, fwiw...).  He is "everyman".  FWIW,
	P_McG says he isn't John Drake.  P_McG's cocreator, George Markstein
	says he is.  

>        at no point, even when he temporarily escapes, does he diclose
>        his name, to friend or foe....why ?
	He can't tell friend from foe.  It comes with the job he had.  The first
	time he escapes, the first thing he finds (practically) is that some
	"friends" aren't.

(As i enter this, an aspect of the secret agent biz occurs to me:
	Test interrogations, to see how a trainee handles themself, are part of
	training.  T_P is one long interrogation (==test).  hmmmmm)

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass		01775	pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: brad6045@audi.edu (bradley brian d.)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: OPENING DOORS PICTURE
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:27:13 GMT
Reply-To: brad6045@audi.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


-> Does anyone have a GIF or something of the bit in the opening credits
-> where No.6 opens the doors? I'd love to have it as a start-up screen
-> for my Mac...

->I have this available is PRIS02.GIF on my BBS at (313)663-4173 and
->(313)663-3959.

For all us long distance types (or even modem-less), could you POST instead...
or even place at a convenient (anonymous) FTP site?
From: nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Philanthropic division complicators" Neilski)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: ***Please Help!***
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

mcsdc1al@dct.ac.uk writes:

>Me and some friends have recently become hooked on "The Prisoner" and we want
>information.  

You won't get it ...

>     1)What is the symbolism of the black cat supposed to signify?
Not a lot from what I can tell.  I like the way it gets out of the morgue
in Dance Of The Dead without anyone appearing to let it out, which probably
means something.

>     2)What does the penny farthing symbol mean?
It can be looked upon as a symbol of power.  See some article or other in
which whoever wrote it points out the bit in Hammer Into Anvil where 6
grabs hold of the penny farthing in 2's office, symbolically taking power.

>     3)Why is No.6 there in the first place?
Why is the sky blue?

>     4)Who's side is The Village on?
That would be telling.

>     5)Why does No.6 resign in the beginning?
It was a matter of conscience.

>     6)Who is No.1?
You are Number 6.

>     7)WHY?
BECAUSE!

>Thanx in advance
>LUCAS*****

-- neilski
foreign correspondent for the tally ho

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From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: prisoner on laser disc
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:53:31 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University

i think somebody said something here about the laser discs not being
very good.  was this in reference to the actual video quality, or just
the effects?  i was wondering because since i found a motherlode of the
discs for $9.88 at camelot music, i was wondering if i should pick them
up.  i'm only interested in the picture quality.  is it at least sharper
than the video?  or should i get vhs?  thanx for any info.
 
                                                  ggreg
 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Cheap Prisoner Viewing?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.134757.1763@cimage.com> vrv@cimage.com (Victor Volkman) writes:
>>Hi, all.
>>        I'm a college student who has seen a few episodes and am interested in
>>seeing 
>>the rest of the series.  I realize that the episodes are all available on 
>>video, but that is a little beyond my means.  Does anyone know of a PBS 
>>run anytime soon?  I have friends w/VCRs in NYC and DC who would hopefully
>>be
>>able to help out.  If this is not a possibility, are there any other
>>suggestions on how someone who is short on funds could see this interesting
>
>I always recommend renting at Blockbuster Video.  You can get any epsiodes
>of TP there as well as the first half-dozen Danger Man / Secret Agent series.
>Each rental costs only $2 and is good for 48 hours, whatta deal!
>
>In the U.K., they have just released a boxed set of five or six tapes with
>the entire 17 hours of footage on it for under $100.  This is much better
>than the $20/tape you have to pay in the U.S. ($340 total), if you can 
>even find it for that price.
>

Well, here in seattle, you can check them out from the SEattle Public library for free.  free for all!!! (sorry about the pun).  sort of bums you out, doesn't
it ?

Be seeing you,

The New Number 2


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From: mb@milton.u.washington.edu (Ralph Bunn)
Subject: she-wolf of london
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:34:10 GMT

hello! some time ago i saw episodes of this great, humoristic english-american
tv-series. it is one of the best ones i've ever seen. my question is if
anybody knows if it's still done and is it broadcast here in usa? 
 sorry to post this article here, but i didn't know where else to ask...
and this series will be a cult-series!
From: mtrebel1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew P. Trebelhorn)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Cheap Prisoner Viewing?
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:16:51 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

Hi, all.
	I'm a college student who has seen a few episodes and am interested in
seeing 
the rest of the series.  I realize that the episodes are all available on 
video, but that is a little beyond my means.  Does anyone know of a PBS 
run anytime soon?  I have friends w/VCRs in NYC and DC who would hopefully
be
able to help out.  If this is not a possibility, are there any other
suggestions on how someone who is short on funds could see this interesting

series?  
==Matt
please respond via e-mail:  mtrebel1@cc.swarthmore.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: vrv@cimage.com (Victor Volkman)
Subject: Fallout
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:00:12 GMT


>        Has anyone come up with a good symbolic or allegorical
>interpretation of the rocket that No6 is launching in the final
>episode?  I completely lose my grasp of the series at that one
>point: he was inside the rocket, he launches it, it flies out
>of the village, we never heard about it before, we enver hear
>about where it went.  Perhaps they had to find a way to spend
>all of their money for the second season special effects account?

I can only interpret it as being part of No. 6's desperate attempt
to destroy as much of the village resources as he could on the
way out.  A rocket with that much interior space must surely
be intended to be a manned mission.  However, its presence in
an underground facililty smacks of a nuclear ICBM rocket.  Indeed,
the stock footage shown for the launch is of a British "Blue Streak"
missle.  As for an allegorical comparison, we can only interpret
it as being part of PMcG's general belief that technology is
progressing too rapidly and gone too far too soon.  The rocket
launch, presumably on a random trajectory, represents technology
gone out of control.  If seen as a manned rocket, then we must
presume that man cannot escape his prisons of his own making
simply by blasting off into space.

BCNU!  

Thanks for your very thought provoking question!
From: misb3crs@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: alt.tv.prisoner
Summary: question
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:57:16 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology




    yet another question for those in the know....

        who is no6 ? does he have a name, or is that of no relevance?

        at no point, even when he temporarily escapes, does he diclose

        his name, to friend or foe....why ?


   
many thanks

   scobie, dundee institute of technology

be seeing you
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: john@monet.uwaterloo.ca (John Robinson)
Subject: Fall Out (Questions - and spoilers)
Originator: john@monet.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:21:40 GMT

I think most people here are familiar with the whole series of The
Prisoner, but just in case...

Spoilers coming up


I've just seen Fallout for the first time. Now I just about understand
what people are talking about on this group!

At the risk of asking silly questions...

Why did McGoohan write in the shoot-'em-up scene? There was no need for
it so far as the plot was concerned (as if plot consistency were 
a feature of The Prisoner anyhow). How is the prisoner's forsaking of
his no guns principle to be interpreted? (And why do they have to pile
on the irony so heavily with All You Need is Love?)

Where does #1 go through the hatch? Strange that this scene, which surely
is the climax of the whole series (and which I think, incidently, is
superbly edited), does not lead onto something more.

Surely Fallout and Many Happy Returns are inconsistent about the location
of the Village. Mind you, by this stage, I guess the "real world" story
of the Prisoner is just about suffocated under the allegory.

What is the Prisoner saying during his address (where the herd echo and
repeat his "I"s - at least I think that's what they're doing)?

Are the couple of shots in London with the prisoner, the butler and
Leo McKern some kind of spoof of something? For some reason they remind
me of Swinging London images (from something like Blow Up, or maybe even
a Beatles film).

What does the music mean?

etc., etc..


It's truly strange that something so imaginative and in some ways so profound
can be so hokey and dated in other ways. 

John
From: exxtjg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T J Garratt)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: PRI. CONVENTIONS
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:15:54 GMT
Organization: Guest of Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, mcsdc1gf@dct.ac.uk writes:
>
>
>
>    HI THERE , FELLOW PRISONERS!!! THIS IS NO.9 !
>
>    CAN I ASK JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS??
>
>
>   OH ,TA!
>   
>    O.K   , CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHEN THEN NEXT CONVENTION AT THE VILLAGE
>
> IS FOR THE 'SIX-OF-ONE' CLUB AS I AM GOING TO JOIN THE CLUB BUT I DONT
>
>    WANT TO MISS THE COVENTION!!!
>
>   ALSO , IS THERE ANY CONVENTIONS DUE IN SOON IN BRITAIN??
>      
>
>                        BE SEEING YOU
>
>
>                       GARRY

The Portermion convention is around 29th August next year;
Six of One are however organising a special 25th anniversary
one day event in London on 9th January (both dates 1993).
The later should have some guest speakers (members of the
cast etc) and costs 15 pounds to club members. I've applied
for two tickets.... :-) Will post a report of the event.

Be seeing you,
Tony 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: PRI. CONVENTIONS
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:05:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.115414.1532@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1gf@dct.ac.uk writes:
>    HI THERE , FELLOW PRISONERS!!! THIS IS NO.9 !
>    CAN I ASK JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS??
>   OH ,TA!
>    O.K   , CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHEN THEN NEXT CONVENTION AT THE VILLAGE
> IS FOR THE 'SIX-OF-ONE' CLUB AS I AM GOING TO JOIN THE CLUB BUT I DONT
>    WANT TO MISS THE COVENTION!!!
>   ALSO , IS THERE ANY CONVENTIONS DUE IN SOON IN BRITAIN??
>
>                        BE SEEING YOU
>
>                       GARRY

You expect us to believe that you can find Portmerion, when you can't even
find the Capslock on your keyboard?


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich)
Subject: Re: Studio Vs. 2-Bedroom
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:51:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.192320.12019@midway.uchicago.edu> sbl2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In the last episode, Rhonda told Jo, the new character, that because
>Jo preferred to live alone, Rhonda could take the studio and Jo could
>have the two bedroom. What studio was Rhonda referring to? I thought Matt
>and Jake had the only two studios. Could someone enlighten me here?

I was wondering about that myself when I watched last week's episode.
As far as I can tell, the building grew a new apartment.



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Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: dward@ducvax.auburn.edu (Dawn Ward     )
Subject: Last 15 minutes of 11/18 episode
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:53:38 GMT

I just started reading in this group and was hoping someone would be 	
generous enough to fill me in on about the last 15 min. of the show 
last night?  Basically, I would like to know if Jo told Jake anything 
about her past that would be important.

Also, does anyone think Billy and Allison will get together -- after that
dream last night, it makes me think something might happen??

All info. would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Dawn :)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: pugh@pico.math.ucla.edu (David Pugh)
Subject: Matt's Settlement
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 01:08:49 GMT

About Matt's settlement. I thought $10,000 was pathetic. He should
have ditched his lawyer and hired McKenzie, Brackman, etc from LA Law.
That way he would have gotten several hundred thousand...

Why, oh why does he have to be so politically correct and put the
money towards a Legal Aid Fund for Victims of Dicrimination based on
sexual orientation? I mean 10 000 ain't gonna go that far and it's not
like he's all that well off? Don't you think he should keep the money
for himself? If he'd won $200 000 now you're talking. He could easily
put some of that towards a fund.

I bet this fund thing never comes up again in the series. Just another
issue orientated throwaway line.

I didn't quite understand why he had to give the lawyer $5000 up front.
I thought the whole point of a contingency was that you didn't pay
anything unless you won - instead the lawyer takes a higher percentage
of the settlement. Am I mistaken?

David
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From: dunger@crsa.bu.edu (David Unger)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Minyee Ho
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:26:46 GMT


	Minyee HOOOOOO,

	Anyone who goes to the state university of new york (notice
I didn't dignify it with capitals) should not even be qualified
to post anywhere you dipshit.  As for flaming, from now on, i'm only
gonna flame you!

--ZEUS
From: minyeeho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Minyee Ho)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Matt's settlement
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:00:34 GMT
Organization: UB

anyways-in answer to the last post:  I got the impression that Matt settled
for such a measly settlement because he wanted to save his parents from
more embarassing publicity.  I mean sure it's wrong to be embarassed by
your own son, but they're just human and I think Matt understands this.

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From: rakesh@svcdudes.com (Rakesh Chabra)
Subject: Re: Help with new actress?
Reply-To: rakesh@svcdudes.com
Organization: Software Ventures, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:43:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.204513.23916@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>  
vvdat@diamond.lerc.nasa.gov (Deborah Griffin) writes:
> I am not a regular watcher of Melrose Place, but I just happened to be  
watching
> Beverly Hills 90210 and saw the previews for Melrose Place.  The new  
actress is
> driving me crazy...where have I seen her before????  I can't place her  
but I 
> know she was in a movie or show I used to watch.  Can anyone help??

Deborah,

She is Daphne Zuniga that has been guest starring in a few shows, but made  
appearances in several feature films.  The one I remember most was "The  
Sure Thing" - I know that there are other more recent films, but I can't  
remember them off the top of my head.

Rakesh
From: rreeves@acs.bu.edu (Robert Reeves)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Daphne's other work - THANKS
Summary: New Girl in Town
Keywords: Jo
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:07:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA



Thanks from me as well, re:Daphne Zuniga, and "The Sure Thing".  I kept
thinking she must be related to Tracey Gold (?sp) ie:  Carol on 'Growing Pains."  Now it all makes perfect sense to me.  Can't wait to call my girlfriend and give her the news.#

		Bang!		Robert Reeves  rreeves@bu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Jake
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:36:06 GMT

In article <T_MMARTIN-161192160902@129.46.176.46> T_MMARTIN@QUALCOMM.COM (TORY) writes:
>Did anyone happen to notice that when Jake was headed back down the stairs,
>just as he was about to pass Billy, it looked like he had a broken rib or
>something.  There was a knot right at his bottom rib on the right side
>
>
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/
>/     _/      /
>     _/
>    _/ORY
>   _/***************************SEX IS NOT THE ANSWER:*
>T_MMARTIN@QUALCOMM.COM        * SEX IS THE QUESTION: *
>THE KITT MASTER              *  YES IS THE ANSWER:  *
>****************************************************


Yes, I totally noticed this.  Anyone else?

--scoT

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: The intro...
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:47:48 GMT

	Did anybody notice how the intro changed?  I did, and I was
amused and amazed...

	I just caught MP a couple of weeks ago, for the first time in
a while, but anyway, I noticed Amy Locaine was completely out of the
intro sequence with the credits and everybody is happy, etc. etc...
This was the episode where Allison takes off with Keith to go camping.

	Then last week, Jo was introduced, and presto, she's in the
intro, as if she had been there from the start...

Nothing big, but kind of fun to watch...


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