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From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Minimalist biking (was: Re: Dead Sidestand
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:08:02 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1992Jul29.174428.944@msus1.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:

|> >How about it?  What is the minimum instrumentation or controls
|> >necessary/desirable for a motorcycle?
|> 
|> I'm one of 'them.'
|> 
|> I removed all instruments in 1981 and haven't missed them.  There are
|> no idiot lights, no tach, no speedometer, no instruments whatsoever.
|> 
|> No front fender, half a rear fender, no primary cover, no chain guard,
|> no passenger seat, one mirror, no turn-signals, a minimal front brake,
|> no saddlebags, hell -- it's easier to list what IS there than what
|> is not: frame, engine, tank, minimalist seat.  That's about it.
|> 


Well, Hmm...

I had an rpm meter a while back...took it off
ho high beam, no signal indicator, no neutral light...
no _end_of_warranty_-warning indicator

I do have a speedometer...
The cable gave up about 3 months ago...

If I think of it, the only indicator I don't ride without is the 
oil pressure indicator...

If it starts to flicker, it is time to fill up within 20 miles or so...

Of course, I do have an _antiquated_ Harley evo engine...

Roller bearings and such...
None of these oil film bearings...
power guzzling oil pumps are needed for those, to get the pressure up 
there (>= 5HP)...
But cheaper to produce, of course...
In fact, the last bikes of japanese origin I know that stayed with 
roller main bearings were the Suzuki GS-models...Or was it the Kawasaki Z-s?
Needless to say, _real_ bikes like the YAM XT500 or XS650 had them all over...
Or Lord Hesketh's Hesketh 1000...

Just a few thoughts...

BTW, I do have the turn indicators still...I believe...

Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
Projet Pastis              Fax  +33 93 65 76 43
INRIA                      email weigl@sophia.inria.fr
B.P. 93
06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex 
France
From: dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Women get off easier and more often (Was Re: Cops... )
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:50:34 GMT
Reply-To: dboyd@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <3880091@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> sievertl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lisa  
Sieverts) writes:
> Diana? Noemi? Beano? Me?  All veterans of traffic school.  

Thank you, Lisa, I was getting really depressed with this thread. If cops are  
letting women off the hook, what's my problem. But, who the hell knows who gets  
let off more, how could you prove that kind of thing?

I know I don't, I used to try and talk my way out of it and I don't even bother  
anymore.

>I'll grant you a _very_ slight possibility that women are less likely to 
>actually receive a ticket when driving a cage (it is a sexist world, after 
>all), but I'd be very surprised at any such advantage for female 
>motorcyclists.

There may be something to this. I NEVER got a ticket before I got a motorcycle,  
and I've gotten *4* in just over two years. I drove a car for 25 years without  
one single lousy ticket.  And I had some wild cars in that time.

Diana

DIANA BOYD	"Walking with the spirit, talking with the spine
EVO Woman	 Mama sing, open up yourself when worlds align."
KLR Woman                                            -C. Whitley
From: ssuhouns@SUMA1.RDG.AC.UK (Paul Marshall Hounslow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Maxmalist biking (was Re: Minimalist biking)
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:33:25 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Maximalist biking (was: Re: Minimalist biking)

dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
 

>-> The FJ has spedo, tach, gas gauge, and idjut lights.

> You got short-changed.  My XJ900 came with a clock, which is quite

Most essential non-essential ;-) bit of equipment on my K100RT is the clock.
Never wanted one, bike had one, now hate riding without one.
Mind you, having a job where being late was *NOT ALLOWED* (I still got a 
bollocking after being caught in some cagers accident) makes a difference.
Having 40 miles, and only leaving at the last minute doesn't help either ;-)
We even used to have to book sick-days a month in advance ;-)



Paul

----
73's de Paul                         The smelling pistakes are all my own.
Packet: G4YFY@GB7BEQ                 I have no employer (I retired ;-).
EMail:  ssuhouns@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk  1985 K100RT                 DoD #0573
From: edh@wheeler.unr.edu (Ed Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD stuff reqd.(Synthetic answer)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:27:36 GMT
Reply-To: edh@wheeler.unr.edu (Ed Hackett)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <1992Jul22.155756.25332@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>"Just another brick (flying) in the wall"

I do my very best to keep my flying brick out of the wall! :-)

>PS nobody answered my request for info about synthetic oil for my K100RS (sob)!

I tried to answer, but it bounced.  On looking, your relpy address is ca, which
is Canada, I belive.  I Switched it to uk, let's see if that worked.

Nope that didn't work either, datasbld@bnr.uk returns as unknown
host.  Check your address in the "from" line.  As Laszlo would say:
YOU HAVE A WIENNIE MAILER!  (well, maybe I do)

I run AMSOIL 20W-50 in my K100RS (16V).  It is probably total over-kill for a
K-whiner.  For someone like yourself, who may miss an oil change or so, synthetic
is probably a good idea.  My bike gets ridden infrequently during the winter 
months, so the ease of cold starting and the peace of mind knowing the oil is
OK in the engine is worth the extra cost as far as I'm conserned.  I like it,
and several others have tried it and reported a slight increase in fuel mileage.
The increase was more noticeable in the boxers.  I'm not sure about
the increase, but the 56-58mpg I got on the Ride and Feed ain't
bad.

Synthetic has no effect on the clutch of a BMW, as you know.  I also run it in
my 1979 Ducati 900SS.  It has a wet clutch and the oil doesn't cause any 
slippage problems.  My guess is those who have experienced clutch problems 
already had a worn out clutch.  I have never seen a bike with a wet clutch in
good condition have a problem with any of the synthetic oils.

 Ed Hackett   edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu     "If it flies, floats, or
 DoD #0200  WMTC  BMWRA  DIOC             fucks... it's cheaper to
 KotLS  KtoLE  KotD #0003                 rent it".             
 DUCATI 900SS  BMW K100RS
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: those damn orange vests
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:11:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>Sigh.
>
>Now that I drive on federal property (Moffet N.A.S.), I have to buy
>one of those orange safety vests.  Me, I'd rather have to put a big
>orange whip antenna than wear a flappy plastic vest.
>
>So, the question is, who makes *sturdy* safety vests?  Does anyone
>know how the ordinance is worded?  I'm curious as to whether or not a
>bright orange/red/yellow jacket would count as a "safety vest".  (Or a
>orange/red K1... :-)
>
>I'm in the south bay area, in case you feel like giving pointers to
>local stores...

Howdy and welcome back!

It's interesting that you've gotta wear a vest while on DOD property
(that's DOD not DoD:-}), as the Army doesn't make me do so.

At any rate, I've got one that I wear at night. Slide by your local
sporting goods store and check out the ones they sell for runners/
bicyclists/etc. A reflective panel front and rear, with two straps over
the shoulders and velcro straps for around the waist. Cost? About 6 bux.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
From: cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Anyone got a saucer helmet? (was: Re: More Helmet Stuff)
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:14:51 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Computer Systems

First, Terry Cunningham writes:
> > :I'm not saying I want government to legislate common sense,  but what
> > :else can society do to protect itself from idiots that cost us based
> > :on their lousy personal choices.

Then, Sean Casey writes:
> > Man, that's an easy one. Remove the safety net. You blow it, you pay.
> > Not society. Not me. I don't want to pay for other's stupidity.

Finally, Terry Cunningham writes:
> 
> Bull!  Someone gets wheeled into a trauma unit with his face scraped off
> and is stabilized and repaired.  Later gets plastic surgery and therapy.
> Either the insurance companies (us) pick up the tab, or the local
> municipality.  I don't want to pay for this guy, but I most surely
> will.
> 
> If you screw up because you did not use common sense and made a
> 'personal choice', I don't see why I have to pay.  Either you pay
> whatever premiums it takes for appropriate coverage, or society
> will defend itself with mandatory safety laws.
> 

I'm not sure I quite follow all this. Terry seems to be saying that although
he doesn't want government to legislate common sense, he sees no alternative.
In his reply to Sean Casey, he seems to say that whether an insurance company
or a municipality picks up the bill, Terry (and the rest of us) still pay, and
that this isn't fair.

I disagree. The idea behind insurance is to spread the risk among a
larger pool of people. Almost by definition, you pay for other peoples bad
luck and poor decisions. The only way for you to not be affected by other
people's stupid decisions is to not carry any insurance yourself (self
insure). If you decide to carry insurance, you decide to accept that your
premium helps to cover other peoples stupid mistakes. Thus it's fair that
you have to help pay for other people's stupid mistakes and decisions. I
realize that most of us have no choice, since most states make insurance
mandatory.

If you really believe that society should protect us against higher costs
by legislating against risk, think about the fact that most activities
have some degree of risk associated with them. Thus most activities could
be made subject to such legislation. Personal freedom would disappear very
quickly under such a scheme. Along with several other things I enjoy
doing, I believe motorcycling would be one of the first things to be
legislated out of existence by the majority of people who view motorcycles
as dangerous, impractical, and without socially redeeming qualities.

I would prefer Sean's solution to this...

					PC
-- 
cantrell@sequoia.com
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cops show- Motorcycle wreck
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:49:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul21.184805.221@halfdome.sf.ca.us> laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.154521.829@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Cliff Weston) writes:
>>
>>   [revealing his ignorance of statistics and inability to recognize
>>   being baited, said blah blah blah blah refuting her statistics]
>>   

>god, i don't BELIEVE it.  he fell for it.  there's one born every
>minute.

i can only say that i am seven (or is that fourteen) times more likely to
fall into the obvious trap than is the average lower-case-woman.
maybe i can file an insurance claim....yeah, that's *comprehensive* --
in case of incomprehension, right?

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<       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   >
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<       Don't look to me for proof that women get off easier than men.     >
<                               -- Evelyn                                  >
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Insurance Bullshit
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:05:45 GMT

ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>   One interesting thing I've noticed is that since 55 was 
>made the national standard everything seem to be x5 mph limits.
>I remember 50 and 60 limits (and 70) but now it's always 35, 45,
>25, etc.  You almost never see 30, 40, or 50.

In Utah, all denominations seem equally popular. BTW, you forgot 65. Or
don't the eastern states get to go that fast?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Sticker campaign
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:35:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

So far, everyone has suggested stickers.  The point here is to make drivers
aware of *everyone* on the road, not to vent our frustration with them when
they aren't.  I suggest printing up (on paper) a generic note that politely
but firmly points out that they need to improve their driving skills.  True,
this may not even get noticed, but let's use some child psychology on these
drivers, and maybe we can modify some behaviors.  Besides, paper is cheaper
than stickers!

-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic firings.|
|Due to a lack of interest there will be no more poetry in my sig.   -   O     |
|                                                                      |       |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu      DoD# 0690     Hawk                 \_^___/    |

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu (Brian Casper)
Subject: Re: How's the winter in North Carolina ?
Originator: bcasper@c00313-11pa.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:58:13 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.165038.16782@bnrmtl.bnr.ca>, sproulx@bmtlh182.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx) writes:
|>I should go on a 4 months stage in NC this winter.
|>I was expecting to bring my bike but I read a post
|>about storing a bike for winter by a guy from NC !?!
|>
|>Can anybody tell me about the weather in NC during 
|>the months of november-december-january-february ?

Well, it gets pretty cold sometimes (even for an ex-NJian) but I had no
trouble riding through this past winter.  The worst part was having to
jump-start on really cold mornings because I was too cheap to buy a
new battery.  A pair of chaps will serve you well.
-- 
-- 
Brian Casper                |   "I like to study psychologists.  It gives
bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu        |    good insight into what rats are thinking."
  Pinball Consultant        |     -  Dr. Oscar Wesler
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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Conspicuity (Was: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:51:49 GMT

-
     I don't know about the vests, but I've definitely seen plenty of
Conspicuity triangles and the like at my local San Francisco Bay Area
Cycle Gear shop.  I was there about a week ago.

						George

----
George J Wu, Software Engineer         | gwu@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!gwu
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: First Annual DoD Right Coast Ride - Thanks to Ed and Sandy.
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:26:40 GMT
Organization: NSWC, Carderock Div. Det., Annapolis Facility

Many thanks to Ed and Sandy Green for excellent planning and execution.
Ed - Tell your boss you deserve a raise.


Mark Cervi DoD #0603
cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil
-- 
 Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 2752, Annapolis, MD  21402
 cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (410) 267-2147
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Looking at 1987 Honda VFR Interceptor
Date: 17 Jul 92 06:54:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

I'm currently looking for another motorcycle. While my libidinous heart
reaches for the Ducati 907IE or the Honda VFR750F brand new, my Scrooge
like impulses chain my wallet and checkbook to the table. Thus, before I
take the plunge to the big buck purchases, I look carefully at machines 
that I wish I had purchased in years gone past.

I've located what sounds like a fairly nice '87 Honda VFR700 Interceptor,
a bike I've always admired. Low mileage, decent price, couple minor things
to correct (old tires, cosmetic blemish on fairing). Doesn't sound like it's
been crashed; is stock. I can't go see it 'til next week--I'm out of town
all weekend (in NY).

Any '87 VFR owners or ex-owners out there? What do you think of these bikes?
What do you think is a fair price for a clean one? Do you know of any others
that might be suitable (clean, stock, low mileage, excellent condition) for 
sale around the SF Bay Area?

Email is preferable but I read r.m nearly everyday too.
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
????                     ????, coming very soon
Honda VFR750F            1992, oh hell I want this too =*^0
Ducati 907 I.E.          1992, really really really wanted =8^0
Ducati 750GT             1975, mine--all mine--forever mine
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, waiting for its turn
Toyota MR2               1985, thinks it's a motorcycle... :)
========
From: lara@sgi.com (Lara J Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: HIPS (was Re: New TV show with motorcycles)
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:50:48 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics Computer Systems,  Mountain View CA.

In article <1992Jul31.170316.1841@morrow.stanford.edu> acuff@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Richard Acuff) writes:
>Personally, I'd like to see an episode of the show I saw advertised
>last night on the 'limpics.  I was called "HIPS" and was about a bunch
>of tough, female motorcycle cops.  Now if only that damn bunny hadn't
>come out at the end...

so I gotta know

why aren't there any female motorcycle cops?


maybe we're just waiting til they get harley's
again?  :-)


but seriously...is it the same stupid reason that
there are no female fighter jocks?

lara
--
===============================================================================
In Space, No One Can Hear You Meow!                  
             /\_/\ 
            / o o \   Lara J. Allen      DoD# 0391   '86 454LTD
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FJ1200 FOR SALE!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:26:28 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Wednesday July 22 1992 14:48, Dave Williams wrote to All:

 DW>  Wiseco also makes a 1400 kit for the J.  That, some hotter cams, and
 DW> some judicious suspension work, and you could devour a ZX for less money
 DW> than you're likely to pay to trade across.

By the time you put that much $ in the FJ1200, you have spent the same amount
as I am about to put into the engine of my ZX-11 (not counting the Falicon
crank and rods, and assorted trivial stuff like EFI), and the ZX-11 will still
eat this hypothetical FJ1200 alive. Ok, so now, add NO2, and say the FJ will
eat the ZX-11. Then, add the NO2 to the ZX-11, and the FJ1200 is meat again.

Don't you get it yet? At any equivalent level of engine pumping, the ZX-11
makes more power than the FJ1200. Its purely academic.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0623+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How to decide?
Date: 21 Jul 1992 15:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Jul21.141355.20043@rchland.ibm.com>, pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:
|> In article <7861@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au>, zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:
|> 
|> |> When going on runs, the MZ is what I ride when I can't start the Ducati...
|> |> 
|> 
|> Thanks, but Gretchen takes about half a second on the starter button to 
|> light up and Harvey always goes on the second kick, so I can't use that for
|> criteria to decide.  The ride-to-work is tomorrow -- help!
|> 

Sheeeeeet, this is an easy one!!

Ride Gretchen to work in the morning.  At lunch time ride Gretchen home
and bring Harvey to work!!!  Or vice versa . . but I think you get the
picture . . right? ;-)


Mark "Lunch, smunch, who needs to eat when you can ride" Parsons

-- 
Mark A. Parsons
mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu
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From: rich@gtsi.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Your Favorite Gear
Organization: Government Technology Services, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:38:16 GMT

In article <14me4cINNo9d@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 711838092@convex.convex.com, daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>>The question is, What is your Favorite Gear:
>>
>>Clearly FIRST Gear is the best gear. Are there any other opinions?
>
>Second.  Without a doubt.  First revs too high, too fast.  First is
>only good for squid wheelies off the line.  Second is the domain of the
>power wheelie.  Second is the gear that slowly pushes your butt to the
>back of the bike.  In second, you can hear/feel/watch the rpms climb
>through the whole range.

I'll second that on second. :-). Second is my favorite. Second is the gear
that shocks you sometimes even after you're really used to the bike. Second
is wear you get some GUTS behind the pull. Second is a Real Man (tm) gear 
on a dirt bike for tricky technicals - only wimps resort to first.

>And third.  Third is nice in the twisties.  Third is where you gear
>*way* down for that really tight curve.  Third is where you feel that
>magical transition from loading down the forks braking in, to

Third is where the asshole crowding your lane in the (IROC/Porsche/Miata/
insert yuppie mobile of choice) learns the true nature of thrust to weight.
Third is where the engine really growls as it climbs past 5K. Third is the
last of the Truly Fun gears. After Third, well, there's fourth. Sigh. Fourth
is a pull up to highway speeds gear.

YMMV.

-- 
Rich Lawrence - "Stinger" - DoD#9630 '92 Seca II - Buckaroo Banzai lives!
Sysop/Hallucination: Full UseNet,Fido,Relay, 2GB+ IBM/Amiga  1-703-425-5824
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 HEY YOU! Are you going to the East Coast DoD thing or not? Read rec.moto!
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From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: My day in Traffic Court
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:58:10 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <14kgb2INNndm@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>BTW - What right to appeal?  I thought you could only appeal a sentence
>on constitutional grounds, ie, find some procedural error.  You can't
>automatically appeal a decision just because you don't like it (?).

In Massachusetts a defendent has an automatic right to a second trial,
not even an appeal but a complete second trial. Go figure?



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