From: sjayanth@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Satyanand V. Jayanthi)
Subject: Re: Secularism.. Overkill.
Keywords: communal carnage
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:39:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.151602.28828@crd.ge.com> srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.032922.16321@massey.ac.nz> P.S.Susarla@massey.ac.nz (P.S. Susarla) writes:
>>
>>
>>Mr. Srinivas,
>>
>>I strongly object to your remarks in
>>your posting like `` shame on you'' etc etc.. which are unwarranted.
>>
>
>I apologise for my emotional outburst. 
>Apart from that, I standby what I said.
>
>But I think statements made by you and Mr. Kavuri that somehow
>muslims are to be blamed for voilence during communal roits in Hyd.
>(which is completely untrue) and Mr. Kavuri's deduction from
>that, 'muslims all over the world are trouble mongers'
>is not only illogical but also very offensive. 
>
>Either Mr. Kavuri needs to substantiate his conclusions
>with proper evidence or else apologise.
>
>Sir, if you are really interested in understanding communal
>voilence, make a case study of any one of these roits.
>Several articles, reports and books have been written
>about this topic. Talk to ordinary people, Hindu and Muslim,
>who got affected in communal voilence.
>Then you would understand what I was saying.
>But sir, please do not propogate communal myths in the
>name of facts. 
>
>
>>I disagree with your posting..it is like a child's posting..
>
>I guess, you have every right to make your own judgement.
>Maybe, you can point out contradictions in my posting.
>Anyhow, I am more happy that I have more sense and
>humaneness left than to brand a whole population
>as 'trouble mongers'.  
>
>>
>>Susarla
>
>-srinivas.

Okay  ..heree is another hyderabadi jumping into the fray....

Communal riots in hyderabad, I understand started from 1978 with the infamous
Ramizaa bee incident, when a woman was raped inside a police station. After
That, communal riots became a regular feature in the city until 1983...and
again from 1988-89. There were incidents in 1984, but it is believed to be
more due to nadenla bhaskar rao than to real communal stuff.

From what i have read..most of the riots start with the stoning of a marriage
or religious procession in front of a mosque. Almost every riot....

Among the other starts that i know of ..is this interesting incident..
in 1981 some militia group, belonging to some sect of islam occupied the
mosque at Mecca. I am sure you would agree that hindus in hyderabd had nothing 
to do with it. But because of that incident, after the friday prayers.          there was large scale looting and hooliganism around charminar area..the riots
pretty soon spread to other areas..

Or how about the riots in 89' started off because the police killed a
noted hoodloom called Sardar something  ?? What have hindus got to do 
with the killing of a common crminal...For months preceding the killing  
that guy struck fear in the city, with murders commited in areas like 
punja gutta etc..

It is from around mid 80s that hindus under the banner of ganesh immersion
commitees started their shows.....but every alternate riot that we hear of
is because of music in front of a mosque...

Anyhow, my observations about muslims in hyderabad are as follows..
(these are my personal observations and could be 100% wrong too....)
Whenever there is an indo-pak match, i find support for pakistan team
available in abundance...when india lost the world cup semifinal to
england...there were celebrations on a large scale in vidya nagar..this
I can speak of because I was there, already agonised by indias loss and 
here i find our brethren, for some strange reason..celebrating, bursting
crackers....

I know, one marriage where in the songs etc played were pakistani political
songs...one song(which i must confess was very catchy..) was about hailing
benazir...

There is another interesting thing.. indian bussinessmen have this habit
of keeping a one ruppee noteat their counters..It is supposed to bring
goodluck or whatever..i observed this in restaurents also where they would
keep a one ruppee noteat the counter, below the glass...In the irani rest-
aurents that visited (need i tell you that these are namesake irani resta-
rents,,owned mostly by our brothers..)..they have pakistani one ruppee
notes..!!!!not indian..you can confirm thjis..two restaurents which i can
immedietely recollect are the Golden restaurent near secunderabad station
and the other is at moula-ali.

I find this identification with pakistan more prevalent among the lower
sections of the populace...Typically people who work in banks..universities
etc., are with india...

Yes.. i forgot this....i have a friend who was regularly beaten up by his
four elder brothers because he used to support india...he regularly has
to spend 2-3 days away from his home so as to escape their wrath....

Having said all of the above....I would further say that,
this should in no way become a reason to destro some mosque...If at all
this destruction accomplishes anything, it only pushes more and moremuslims
towards pakistan...some other measures like education..(how do we get it 
to them..???) so that people will realise..that their destiny is with india
and not pakistan...

Bye,

narain.(posting from a friend's account..)
narain@bass.bu.edu


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