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From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: More Four Word Stories
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:18:14 GMT

Danger Mouse looks at Alfvaen. <GRIN>

"Okay, if he can do it, I can do it too! The same rules that Alfvaen
laid down. Send me your four words and I'll make a story out of them.
Any other wacky restrictions are acceptable too, just lay them out in
full detail.

"And if you don't know what I'm talking about, mail Alfvaen. <grin again>"

DM cackles and rubs his hands together in eager anticipation of his first
challenge.

- Danger Mouse.

ps. Actually, I'd better cover myself. Mail me, not Alfvaen, if you want
more info.
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: A toast
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:01:42 GMT

In article <1e9viiINNolh@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>StM looks up from the copy of _Newsweek_ he's reading and asks DM, "Had you
>heard about this?"  He walks to the bar, buys another shot of rye, and steps up
>to the line.   "A toast," he says, "to the man who's probably got more
>astronomical bodies named after him than anyone else except possibly Magellan:
>Jan Oort, 1900-1992.  He died a couple of weeks ago."

     "D**n ! " DJ.

 <crash!>

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd.
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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: illuminati
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:51:00 +0000

.ohio-state.edu (William D Yang)

Sometimes it's easier to believe in malevolent or benevolent powers 
beyond the everyday and banal than to accept random events.
Wht *I* can't understand is the electronic money that floats around. 
Some 80% of it *never* exists except on a computer screen. The more 
computers in the international money markets, the more "unreal" money 
floating aboutand doing wierd things to economies. Anybody read Tom 
Holt, Flying Dutch? In this wonderful book, *all* the money in the 
world is owed to one man, who doesn't know about it and the money 
markests are controlled by computers that use music as programs and 
are controlled by the play-list on Radio 3, our classical music and 
cricket channel!
Put enough fallible, real-world things together and you may get 
enough co-incidences to make it look like planning.
Or maybe that's just what we want you to think ;-)

mary
assistant potter


BTW - I know I said I was away for a week. I found an extra-long 
piece of string to link my PC back into the setup I use
Can't get rid of me that easily ;-)
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|                                           |                          |
| under new management!                     |maryb@cix.compulink.uucp  |
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Pizza pty report
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:59:07 GMT

rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove) writes:
>Much visiting and silliness, good music and comradarie were 
>had by those able to attend.  We missed some friends, especially 
>SEA who couldn't come after having helped plan the affair.  This 
>is a sure sign that we will have to do it again sometime!  Also, no 
>one came up with a Weber so the mysteries of barbeque pizza 
>were not experienced.  (Robbie where are you!)

    "I'm stuck way over here in Mississippi !" Robbie.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd.
From: pechever@phakt.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Conditional love?  (was Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings ...)
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:22:18 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov23.184257.14894@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu] wyang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William D Yang) writes:
]In article <1ehjm9INNjma@phakt.usc.edu] pechever@phakt.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri) writes:
]
][Impu-Sebek sez that love is conditional with the following example:]
[My example deleted for brevity]

]"Uhm... aren't you blurring the line of being 'in love' versus the
]line of 'love'?  That is, aren't there relevant and rather noticable
]differences between being 'in love' with a person and 'loving' a
]person.  For example, I would feel comfortable saying I'm in love with
]my SO; I wouldn't feel comfortable saying I'm in love with my brother
](though, clearly, I love my brother very much!).

"Good point, but...what is it about my assumption that's so intensely
distasteful to you?  Simple semantics.  "Love".  "In love".  Fekt.
Smokescreens.
"I repeat my claim--all love is contingent on exactly how willing you
are to have your object of affection revile, betray, and generally
spit on you.  If you still 'love' the person after they've been
utter shits to you for a good long while, it's not love but infatuation
and you need help.

]"I once had an SO that did sleep around on me.  It's very clear to me
]that I'm no longer in love with her.  However, I'm not so sure I
]stopped loving her -- I still wonder about how she's doing, and still
]hope she does well -- it seems as though there's a difference between
]being in love and loving, AND further that this difference makes only
]one of the two an actual contingent claim.
]"Clearly, if the above is true, it's not the case that ALL love is
]contingent -- only SOME love CAN be contingent (I might argue, with
]more thought, that NO love is contingent if it's truly "love"... but
]that thought needs much more development before I'd be willing to
]argue it).

"I eagerly await your response.  Here, have a sword."
Impu-Sebek tosses his opponent, whose name he's missed, a small silver
sword about three inches long, and settles back to his cocoa mug, which
is almost empty now.
-- 
Paul Echeverri          | PGP key    | Smile! Cthulhu loathes you! This .sig
Insane by choice        | available  | sponsored by Campus Crusade for Cthulhu.
Brilliant by act of Pan | on request +---------------+"Society sucks.  Pay it
Poor by act of Congress | from: pechever@scf.usc.edu |no mind."--Cynthia Heimel
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Subject: Another Survey
From: DPERRY@eagle.wesleyan.edu (DAVID M. PERRY)
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:08:57 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Wesleyan University
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Jack Crow walks up to the chalkboard.  He says, "I'm doing a survey on gender
in the neo-pagan movement.  So, without further intro., here it is:


========================================================================
I am a student at Wesleyan University who is in a class called Anthropological
Approaches to Gender.  I am also a Wiccan.  For a final project, I am looking
at gender ideas and ideologies in the neo-pagn/pagan movement.  Therefore, if
you identify yourself as a neo-pagan or pagan of any type, please answer the
following questions:

Note: please feel free to post responses, but also email all replies to:

		dperry@eagle.wesleyan.edu

1. Name (any sort of identification.  All names will be changed in the final
		paper).


2. Name of your religion (if you have a name).


3. Describe your concept(s) of divinity.  Feel free to go into depth.


4. Does gender relate to how you practice religion.  How?


5. How do you organize gender in your spiritual ideas?


On the final question please go into as much depth as possible.  Be visionary.


6. How should this be connected to everyday life?



Thank you very much for your time. 

David Perry.





Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:45:51 -0500 
From: John Charles Fiala <jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Christmas? But it's only November!!

Excerpts from netnews.alt.callahans: 16-Nov-92 Christmas? But it's only
No.. David Mar@physics.su.OZ. (1108)

>"Which brings me to another point. (For those North Americans who recently
>learnt what the word 'whinge' means, here is another example! :-) ) Why, oh
>why, in a country where the beaches are packed to capacity on Christmas Day,
>where Christmas dinner barbecues have to be reorganised because of total
>fire bans, and where eating cold turkey slices and salad for Christmas
>lunch while shooing away pesky flies is normal, why must we put up with an
>overweight man in a furry red suit driving a sleigh through tons of fake
>bloody _snow_ every Christmas??

Why, because it sells more toys and ornaments, I would expect.

>"Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!"

Ah, capitolism.  Ya gotta love it.

-john
Oh, no!  My account will be taken away on December 18th!  *sniff*sniff*
Until then, my email address is: jf2z@cmu.edu
After that, my email address is: bonapart@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
  We apologize for the Inconvenience.
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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:09:43 GMT

In article <1ec1ntINNc29@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>=Liralen giggles, "Especially when neither analogy contains a moral situation."
>
>StM says, "Oh, I dunno about that.  I don't think it would be very moral of me
>to go around injecting everyone in sight with 22 units of insulin every
>morning.  It works for me.  That doesn't mean I should try to force it on
>everyone."

"True." she says, "I guess I read the original as simply being a fact of 
medical need, and not the idea that you were actually thinking of forcing 
insulin on others.  But, yeah, put that way, it would be a moral question."
---
Liralen Li
li@Data-IO.com
From: nev@Turing.ORG (Niles E. VanDenburg)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The Difference Injure, II
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:25:27 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

Taldin writes:

> Whatever happened to 'respect your fellow human?'

You're in the wrong place to find respect - unless it has changed
greatly in the last 20 years the 'tute is still well known for
collecting abused and abusing people.  The only thing that I can
suggest is to write your abusers off as "troy-ettes" (rhymes with
toilets).

>oh. maybe it's because I'm not human. :P

No - its more like you have retained your humanity and the troy-ettes
have lost theirs.

>He sighs. "13 more school days, plus 5 more for finals.  Plus 3 or 4
>weekends.  26 days.  That's all.  And then they'll never see me 
>again unless I come visiting, which I doubt highly.  

It has been 20 years for me and I still hate that f@#$ing place.

>Taldin and Suds.

Niles, RPI '71


-- 
Niles VanDenburg
nev@turing.org
niles_v@cho000.cho.ge.com
niles_v@cho000.dnet.ge.com
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From: /G=Rhodri/S=James/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/@mhs-relay.ac.uk
Subject: UK Realspace
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:31:33 GMT

[I'm posting two copies since Berkeley seems to be having problems]
              
              TAN-TARRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Hi there folks, this is Rhodri with his Callahans hat on announcing a

                             UK REALSPACE

in honour of the visit to these balmy (freezing!) shores by Neal Wolfson,
aka The Wolf.  The details are :-

  When: Saturday 28th November (a fortnight from today, and no, don't ask
                                why I'm in work on a Saturday)

  Where: 25 Wycliffe Road, Cambridge. (Phone 0223 212395)

  What: Party cum tour of Cambridge

People are invited to arrive Friday night (BUT WARN ME FIRST!) or Saturday
morning, and will be chucked out Sunday lunchtime.  Sorry, but we're all out
in the afternoon.  I will be picking Wolf up at 2PM (in theory, ho ho) on
Saturday, so we can all get together and Do Things once I get back.

Directions for reaching my place are available on request, but if you ever
get lost just ask for directions to "Big Sainsburys" and look for the little
road next to the pedestrian crossing.

Apologies for posting this so late, but I've been off work for a while
(cough, cough, transparent play for sympathy).  Please let me know if you
intend coming, as I may need to arrange extra crash-space.

   Cheers,

              Rhodri

---
Windsinger  -  Rhodri James    *  "If music be the food of love,
                               *   play me a tune on your jam buttie."
Rhodri.James%gb.INTERSPAN.sj   *
            @mhs-relay.ac.uk   *           -- Ken Dodd
   or                          *
rmj10@phx.cam.ac.uk            *
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From: rcb33483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ArchTeryx)
Subject: Re: Positive thoughts from Feather
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:09:26 GMT

johnz@eaglet.rain.com (John Zimmer) writes:

>In the meanwhile, I hereby leave something small for you to keep until I
>am back for real..."

>Feather pulls a small grey feather out of her tail and concentrates her mind
>upon it.  The small grey feather rises, and floats towards the center of the
>place, then comes to rest on a chair at a table.  Feather smiles.

>"Save my place, there, will ya, folks?  I'll be back..."

ArchTeryx looks up sadly after he realizes his small grey companion is 
no longer on his shoulder.  He warbles to her, and says, "I personally 
will save your place until you get back, Feather."

Even as he keeps skritching the moor-cat, he watches Feather's place with an
eagle (or at least a 'teryx) eye, making sure nobody tries to displace her 
single feather.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
R. Cody Buchmann                             ^.^  
  "ArchTeryx"                          "Hiss!  You *deliberately* dodged!" 
email: rcb33483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       "But Sire, I...please..." 
       rcb33483@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu    "Stop snivelling and stand still!!"
                                       *thwap!* -- Robin Hood
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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: The Difference Injure..
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:17:00 +0000


John writes
>    Or maybe because they saw something out of the ordinary, thought it was
>funny, and laughed.  You are projecting the results of the action (Taldin
>feeling bad) onto the CAUSE of the action. . .and that's not good logic.  Do
>you realize that this type of reasoning makes every gun that's been used in a
>killing 'evil'?  That the gun is firing a bullet is irrelevant to the fact that
>the bullet will, under the standard laws of physics, hit someone.

People have minds and can know what they are doing. If you laugh at 
someone, you should know or think that it can hurt, especially if you 
are mocking them in some way for being different and thereby 
excluding them form a social grouping (you and others who laugh or 
who you encourage to do so). The gun cannot be evil because it cannot 
think, reason or feel. People can and should do all of these things 
(IMHO). They may not *intend* to humiliate you but I believe we have 
to accept a certain amount of responsibility for our actions, if not 
always the results - within reason - there are of course many 
exceptions - *grin*.If the people upsetting Taldin didn't think about 
whether it would hurt him, they aren't considerate, if they did, they 
they don't sound very nice (of course, tehy may have their own 
problems). The gun doesn't have a choice, so it's a bad example. The 
results should have been predictble, even if they weren't intended. 
Does your point sound a little bit like the end justifies the means 
to anyone else?

mary looks down in sudden alarm - "now that's what I call a soap-box"

mary
apprentice potter

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| Ommmmmm, said the lift                    |maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk |
| Organisation: Me? You're joking, right?   |maryb@cix.compulink.uucp  |
|I know I type "teh" for "the" My fingers have their own accent ;-)    |
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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Rejoice, and Velvet reels
Date: 22 Nov 1992 17:46:11 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov22.130657.1091@cs.mcgill.ca>, braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (The Didi-Sprite) writes:
>The Didi-Sprite peeks around the kitchen door and calls out:
>"Hi, Velvet!  Welcome back!  I'm rustling up some healthful waffles for
>breakfast ... I'll pour out some more for you, if you like?  Lord
>Galdrin and I *adore* Celtic music!  Ummm ... I am curious ... what is
>a bohdran? (? sp.)"
>
>Didi looks over at Kitten, and in a loud stage whisper, remarks:  "Good
>grief, another 'bouncer'!"

StM bounds over to the -Sprite (does that make me a bounder?) and gives her a

HHHHH          HHHHH   UUUUU          UUUUU      GGGGGGGGGGGGGG          !
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HHHHH          HHHHH   UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU   GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG      !!
HHHHH          HHHHH    UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU      GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG     !!!!
HHHHH          HHHHH      UUUUUUUUUUUUUU          GGGGGGGGGGGGGG        !!


Where've you been?  I MISSED you!
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:01:36 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov19.221827.23700@onetouch.COM>, jpalmer@onetouch.COM (John Palmer) writes:
=steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky) writes:
=
=>"Now some people believe that, for example, proselytizing and calling
=>for the death of nonbelievers are *evil* (and in fact are the *same*
=>evil, differing mainly in the amount of threat applied to effect a
=>conversion).  In other words, we're not merely talking about
=>*distance* from some absolute morality, but *diametrically opposed*
=>positions.  This strongly indicates that, at least on some matters,
=>there is no observable absolute morality.  (You'll note that I say
=>*observable* -- there may be one, or several, but there's no objective
=>way to identify one.)"
=
=    Hmmm.  I disagree.  Mind, calling for the death of nonbelievers can be
=argued against on different grounds, but preaching/proselytizing, etc is a
=different matter. . . 
=
=    If a person is dying and you have a life giving drug, you can easily argue
=that you have a moral obligation to administer that drug.  (I did NOT say you
=can 'easily AND CORRECTLY' argue. . . just that the argument is easy to see)
=
=    I think that the only argument that stands against that is, if the
=administration of the drug can cause a fatality, you have to have the
=cooperation of the person to whom it's being administered.  (ie, if you're
=pissing off the person you're preaching at, it's time to back off with a
=vengeance.)

Hmmm.  Then it's your position that those in favor of "right to die"
legislation are absolutely immoral?  After all, they think that if the person
who's dying WANTS to die instead of leading the life they'll have if you
administer the drug, then THAT's a damned gooe argument against giving the
drug.

=    Thus the question of the morality of preaching 'the word of god' depends
=entirely on your view of what the word of god will do. . . if you believe it
=will do nothing, you get pissed off when people try to shove it down your
=throat.  If you believe, as some Christians do, that it is the only path to
=salvation, you HAVE to try to administer it to the 'dying'.

And in my opinion, in either case, if the dying person is conscious and in
possession of their faculties, to save their life against their wishes is
immoral.
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From: /G=Rhodri/S=James/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/@mhs-relay.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Cyber
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:45:49 GMT

walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Cybernetic Samurai)

>"I don't even remember the name of the first Sci
>Fi book I read.  It was written by M. L'Engle and
>was about some kids who meet with a Mrs. Which
>and tesseract and such.  It is a classic I just
>cant remember the name of it.  It was also a
>trilogy.  The first Sci Fi I really remember is
>reading the Tom Swift, Jr. stories out of the
>elementary school library."

"Aha!  More fodder for the Master Booknamer (well, journeyman if you must
know...).  Madelaine L'Engle's "A Wrinkle in Time", the first book of a
trilogy with "A Swiftly Tilting Planet" and "A Wind in the Door".  It is,
indeed, a classic.

---
Windsinger  -  Rhodri James    *  "If music be the food of love,
                               *   play me a tune on your jam buttie."
Rhodri.James%gb.INTERSPAN.sj   *
            @mhs-relay.ac.uk   *           -- Ken Dodd
   or                          *
rmj10@phx.cam.ac.uk            *
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: UK Realspace
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:16:51 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <By0JCC.7n0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
(Barbara Trumpinski) wrote:
> 
> and albert.....hi albert....and now he is out west....with the western callahanians....

And Albert just had dinner last night with Jason, Pegasus, and Randolph
Fritz.

More on that later.

Jason
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Four Word Stories
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:45:52 GMT


defence
The Polymath does a quick check on a running validation sequence then
offers:

"Your request reminds me of an old joke.  A teacher once asked a student
to use the words 'defeat,' 'defense' and 'detail' in a sentence.  The
student thought a moment and replied:

"'When a cow jumps over a fence, defeat go over defense before detail.'

"Peanuts?  What pea ... ack!" (-:

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483
Santa Monica, CA  90405
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