HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Size 8? (Re: What is NOT attractive to "SINGLE" men)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:04:44 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Dec12215711@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>In article <7901@news.duke.edu> diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams) writes:
>
>   Trygve, I have the greatest confidence that you (and Charlie too, for
>   that matter) could survive this kind of treatment for quite some time.
>   Perhaps a woman could more effectively torture the two of you by
>   *refusing* to sit on your ribcages for a couple of hours?  
>
>So *that's* what's going on?  Gee what'd I do to make you want to
>torture me?
>
>(Tryg, it must of been both of us -- I don't think she's been sitting on
>either of our ribcages....)

<Snif> and the worst part is, I don't even know what terrible faux pas I
must have committed to get on her bad side like this.

Trygve   (It's like Chinese water torture, only completely different.)
From: diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:49:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec16.212122.17026@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>
>No, silly, you ask them out to the Golden Arches Supper Club.  Or to
>a free activity--like a concert or a walk in the park...  
>
>Piglet, working to increase the numbers of women.asking.men.out

I DO ASK MEN OUT!  IdoIdoIdo.  Really.  Truly.  

I had to listen to a male friend bitching about this last night, and I
never know quite what to say.  I mean, *I* ask men out, so what more am
I supposed to do about it?

				--Diamond

diamond@acpub.duke.edu| We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn
Elizabeth S. Abrams   | them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress 
		      | but the memory of the smell of smoke, and the  
                      | presumption that once our eyes watered. -Tom Stoppard
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:17:36 GMT

In article <15965@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> 
......................[ stuff deleted ].....................
> 
>More word twisting and conjecture.  Rather and address each question, 
>(I will if you insist but there's just been too many responses to the
>thread to respond to already), I'll answer with a question.
>
>If you get a Christmas present from someone this year will you offer to
>contribute to the cost of the present?  No, of course you won't.  That's
>because it's a gift.  Think about it.
>
Okay John,
I will try my best not to twist any of your words, or to insert any
conjecture (actually, I thought that I was "reading between the lines").
As for the Christmas present analogy, is it not customary in Canada,
as in the U.S., for people to _exchange_ xmas gifts/cards? 
Not that anybody would _demand_ that the recipient of his/her gift
present the giver with something, but is seems to be a sign of class
to be a giver _as well as_ a receiver of gifts, rather than to be
content to be a receiver-only. (this is assuming that both parties
have their own resources)

Therein is my philosophy on dating and "the tab".  As much as I expect
to, and am fully capable of, handling the tab on a date, I just think
that it is a mark of "class/consideration" on the part of the woman
to at least _offer_ to share the expenses.  It let's me know that she
is not out with me simply on the basis of "free eats and entertainment".
(Believe me, I have had my fill of the "free eats and entertainment crowd")
At that point, I can either accept her offer, or decline it, or ask for
a "rain check", as in, "you can treat me next time".  Is there anything
so awful about that?
>-- 
>+==========================================================================+
>| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
>| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
>+==========================================================================+

Keith R
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.214306.9743@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 13370@cbfsb.cb.att.com, sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein) writes:

>Sorry I fooled you. I really have great globs of respect and compassion for
>all women. This was just a bit of satire, Steve. The [TM] refers to whiners
>who persist in asking women out when the women have made it perfectly clear
>that they are not in the least bit interested.
>
>I don't always post my exact views on everything, get it? If you don't find
>some of my off-the-wall comments amusing, fine! I suppose you need smileys 
>to catch the intent of my article...
>
>Get it now? Been a long time since I tried to conform to what people
>thought I should be. Shit, man! Don't believe everything I write!!!!
>
>dreas

Sheeeesh, a little touchy, aren't we?
Might we be going through a slight case of PMS ourselves?

(Oh, I almost forgot...... :-)  )
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: Vasectomies (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:19:07 GMT

   Owch!  Stop it!  You're killing me!  This is rich.  Grand.  The
best of the best.  10 at least (yes I must be sick !).  Thanks for
the laughs after a very (post flu us) day.  :)

   songbird
From: ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: My SO and I have nothing in common
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:45:31 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

Recently, I discovered that my girlfriend and I have nothing in common, I still
can't figure out what in heaven's name we see in each other.  Has anyone
been in or know of someone in a similar situation?  I'm not quite sure what to
do about it, at this point.  Any useful info would help right now.  Thanks
in advance.

Chuck
-- 
E-mail: ckunz@src4src.linet.org, aq084@cleveland.freenet.edu
It's amazing what you can do with a Commodore 64, isn't it?
Man cannot live by bread alone... once in a while he needs a bagel.
"I love you.  Do you love me?  Please please!  (I wanna hold you)" - Dan Baird
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Stoke Dat Pizza Oven
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:54:16 GMT

In article <15871@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.033039.28911@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster) writes:
>>In article <MARTINC.92Dec12161856@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>|>In article <1992Dec12.090324.9958@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster) writes:
>|>
>|>  >In article <1992Dec11.032838.25983@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>|>  >>>>[deleted]
>|>  >>>>		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
>|>  >>>[deleted] 
>|>  >>>               Sesquipedalian
>|>  >>[deleted]
>|>  >
>|>  >[deleted]
>|>
>|>My, that was certainly enlightening.
>|>
>|
>|     Inside joke.
> 
>All the more reason to post it to the net I suppose.
>
 
Actually this post captures the very essence of some of our more inciteful
posts. It is somewhat more to the point in fact. Now lets get back to the
burning question of wether or not I Joeseph B Blow open the door for a woman.
 

 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
================================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,misc.legal
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
X-To: LANA MOUNTFORD
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:17:00 GMT

lana@magenta.corp.sgi.com (Lana Mountford) writes...
LM> In article <1992Dec4.063203.25007@netcom.com>, rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David
LM> wer) writes:

LM> |>
LM> |>      I think that you view sex as a way to procreate and express love.
LM> |> If I am wrong, then let me know.  I view sex as recreation or a way to
LM> |> express my affection and/or love for my partner.  I do not view sex
LM> |> as a way to procreate because I am not interested in having any
LM> |> children.  Raising children takes more resources than I want to give.
LM> |>

LM> Fer crissakes, if you feel that way, why not just get a
LM> vasectomy??  It seems to me to be a very simple solution:
LM> if you dont' want the responsibility for babies, don't make
LM> 'em.  If you're unwilling to take your own precautions, then
LM> don't have sex.  Simple, and no need for a contract.


It's not that simple, Lana.  *David* may not want children (perhaps never),
but a vasectomy might be a bit TOO extreme, especially if he should decide in
the future that he wants to have a family.

Indeed, as I was explaining to Larry Billings, asking Freedom of Choice For
Men supporters to go out and have vasectomies makes about as much sense as
telling women who don't want to get pregnant, to get a tubal ligation.

These operations are more or less *irreversible*, so rather than force people
who don't to be parents RIGHT NOW, into a situation where they will NEVER
become parents, why not try to offer men and women a comfortable degree of
reproductive freedom.  Women currently have this freedom, why shouldn't men?

---
Will Steeves, goid@zooid.guild.org                      "Neil Hull is GOiD"
ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids            "GOiDS Rule"
(416) 322-7876

"Cthulhu for President in '92 - Why vote for the _lesser_ of two evils?"
                                                          - Bronis Vidugiris
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:23:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec18.034914.20244@news.acns.nwu.edu> drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.033308.21800@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
|
|>
|>In all fairness, these two really were _dates from hell_.
|>Details furnished on request...
|>
|>
|What with the weird weddings thread here and the worst cooking disasters
|that's hapening over in rec.cooking, I dont' see why we shouldn't renew the
|date from hell thread ....... details details (I have a tow from hell story
|but no real date from hell stories, maybe I've led a sheltered life or have
|a selective memory)
 
or have never gone out with a consultant with a black satchel.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: casey@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sean Casey GSFC (301)286-4558)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.182323.23707@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein) writes...
>In article <1992Dec9.022705.4868@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>In article 15901@cbfsb.cb.att.com, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec8.151118.15818@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein) writes:
>>>>In article <1fu1r8INN2la@golem.wcc.govt.nz> parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Dec3.162529.15470@netcom.com>, aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nowadays I go for those shy Nice Guys, and I have to work so hard
>>>>>
>>>>>I've decided to keep on kissing the frogs in the hope one will turn into a
>>>>>prince.  I've found that the princes usually turn into frogs sooner or later
>>>>>anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Rachel 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How about those of us who have already been:
>>>>
>>>>turned into a "Prince" by the kiss of a "Princess"
>>>>who have lost our "Princess"
>>>>who have no intention of returning to "frog" status
>>>>who are on that long and hard search
>>>>with hopes of finding another "Princess"
>>>>to fill the void left by our lost "Princess"?
>>>>
>>>>                 Steve Stein  (609) 639-2264
>>>
>>>If that isn't an 8.9 I don't know what is.
>>
>>Sesquipedalians is sooooo generous! 
>>It is not an 8.9...It's a 9.3!!!!!!
>>
>>Sharkey
>>
>I'm flattered.  Shall we start a club?
> 
>  The "Nice Guy in Search for His Princess Club".
> 
>It's interesting.  You always hear about the woman searching for her
>Prince.  How about us guys?  What are we looking for?  Slugs ????
> 
>					Steve


I thought Guys were just looking to get laid?

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:32:21 GMT

rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent) writes:


>There's a big difference between: "telling my you'll do X and then
>changing your mind later is lying" and "telling me you retain the
>option to change you mind later is lying". The difference is that the
>latter statement is false, whereas the former one is true. Now,
>getting indignant about the lie itself may be rather petty and
>ridiculous when compared to getting indignant about being capriciously
>subjected to many years of involuntary servitude because of the
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>inaction of someone who agreed to take action to prevent it,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>admittedly.

	 The man doesn't have to make babies. He wants the luxury of having
full intercourse without accepting the responsibility it entails. Everybody
would like 100% contraceptives. They aren't available. 
	He doesn't have to take any risks to prevent having a child. All he
has to do is not participate in sex acts which are likely to engender them.
--Jackie--

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Rambles
Keywords: Clues, Lives, other trivia
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:00:32 GMT

Clues we had when we were wee
 tykes warmin in the womb.
It got lost in the yankin
 spankin cold bright room.

We keep searchin hi and lo
 for that holey grail.
It got the life beat out
 it was that first wail.

  songbird
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:00:03 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Kissing Frogs
Distribution: na
 <1fu1r8INN2la@golem.wcc.govt.nz> <1992Dec12.004306.23870@netcom.com>
 <7894@news.duke.edu> <92347.125341SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <MARTINC.92Dec12161427@hatteras.cs.unc.edu>

In article <MARTINC.92Dec12161427@hatteras.cs.unc.edu>,
martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) says:
>
>In article <92347.125341SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
>(Graydon) writes:
>
>   In article <7894@news.duke.edu>, diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
>says:
>   >
>   >This reminds me of something one of my friends (one of my MALE friends,
>   >mind you) says about men.
>   >
>   >"All men are either clueless or assholes.  If you meet one who seems
>   > to be neither, he's probably an asshole."
>
>   Oh, drat.  Yet another data point that sugguests I really *am*
>   an alien.
>
>Maybe you're just clueless.
>--
>                Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
>     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
>            3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
>     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
>      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T

Was sure I had a clue around her somewhere...

Graydon
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Woman: will you go out with shorter man?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:01:35 GMT

In article <Bz7Cn3.5Kt@CAM.ORG>, souchay@CAM.ORG (Francois Souchay) writes:
> 
> Gotta go now, time to find something to make some girls' eyes light up.

What's that?  Cattle prod?  Tazer?  :)

> I get nieced in 5 days, can't wait!  

Yea i've heard that "she's my niece" story before.  :)

> 
> Francois.

Larry

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Woman: will you go out with shorter man?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:35:49 GMT

In article <7722@news.duke.edu> diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams) writes:
>
>However, I don't think I'm a representative sample..  I also ask men out, pay 
>for myself and often for my date, am not overwhelmingly interested in physical 
>appearances in general, and have no interest in getting myself pregnant so 
>that I can entrap some helpless man into paying 18 years of child support.  
>According to many of the male gripes I read on this group, soc.men, and 
>soc.women, I don't exist.  

Sure you exist--indeed, those qualities you list above all apply to most of
the women I know--but, gosh, such people just aren't much fun to complain 
about.

Trygve   (Who actually has very few complaints about past partners--even if
          I've had a few recent experiences with friends that make me feel
          a little more financially paranoid.)
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Re: Stoke Dat Pizza Oven 
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:03:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.032838.25983@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>>[deleted]
>>>		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
>>[deleted] 
>>               Sesquipedalian
>[deleted]

     (:

-- 
                                         +---------------------------------+
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 /   // Mr. Tickle Monster   // Amiga ++---------------------------------+
|  \X/   W. David Rohwer   \X/  3000  /  Internet: rohwerwd@netcom.COM  /
+------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Abortion
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:08:40 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Dec11.221530.9943@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
>In article <228@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>> > > Is abortion wrong?
>> >Discussing it in this newsgroup is!
>> No Gadfly, it isn't.  
>your net.elders--created net.abortion, which would become talk.abortion
>in the fullness of time.  Of course, all adolescents are convinced
>find it cute.  Now, kid!!

Oh Gadfly, if you were as chronologically mature as one would
have us believe, you would have stated in your brief rhetoric,
that there is a more appropriate newsgroup for the discussion
of a topic such as abortion, and you would have mentioned it.
Instead, you instilled upon us the subtle flame which said,
"Discussing it in this newsgroup is...", without gladly furnishing
the addendum "...try the newsgroup talk.abortion".  
--Keith

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: Attraction -> Acquiantance or vice versa?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:20:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <1992Dec9.212121.13220@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>In article <101324@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.165947.4792@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:
>>
>>>Women, a quick poll - how many of you have known a guy for a while and
>>>*discovered* you were attracted, rather than the other way around?  I'm
>>>talking about situations where you may not have initially felt the guy
>>>was attractive, but revised that opinion positively as you knew him?
>
>In the interest of equal representation, and to test my theory that men
>and women behave quite differrently when it comes to matters of courtship,
>I would like to offer this poll for the men:
>
>       1) how many of you ever approached a woman on your own, whom
>          you _did not_ find attractive in some way, for purposes of
>          making her acquaintance?
>
>       2) how many of you ever, by your own free will, asked a woman
>          out on a date, whom you did not find attractive in some way?
>
>       3) how many of you, actively and freely, spend significant amounts
>          of time with a woman whom you are not attracted to?

First, you *do* realize, don't you, that your questions are totally unrelated
to what Julia wrote?  (She was talking about discovering an attraction to
someone you already know, not about approaching someone that you don't find
attractive.)

1.  Depends on what you mean by "attractive in some way".  If you didn't
    think someone was interesting in any way, why would you go out of your
    way to meet them?  On the other hand, I've certainly approached people
    that I wasn't interested in dating.

2.  Again, it depends on what you mean by "attractive" and "date".  I've
    made plans and done fun things with people I wasn't romantically interested
    in, but I wouldn't ask someone on a "date" date unless I was interested in,
    umm, dating them.  :-)

3.  Again, "attractive"?  If you mean that I don't want to date (in the
    romantic sense), sure.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Vasectomies (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:18:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <255@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:

>Oh Don, how could you or any man even consider getting a vasectomy?
>As a man, I feel that the spermal excrement is at the essence of
>my experience as a man.  Most of the women I used to date really
>enjoyed the excitement of seeing me spray my "love juices" over their
>pulsating bodies.  How a man can even think of depriving himself of
>that pleasure, is beyond me.

Jesus, Keith - your prostate gland will produce the same milky fluid,
it just won't have the little swimmers in it.  It's not like you'll
start excreting tomato juice after a vasectomy.

Spreading misinformed advice does NOT endear you to very many people.
Buy a clue - I hear K-Mart has them on sale at 3 for a dollar this week.

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"Sometimes it feels like the sun just comes up out of habit,
 And goes down as quick as it can,
 These days, you just have to grab it as it goes by."
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