From: cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatle Anomalies
Date: 10 Nov 1992 13:44:47 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Summary: VOCAL ELIMINATOR

ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk at Nov 9, 92 11:27 am                                                                                                                                                   

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
 In article <1ddgkkINNhfb@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> you write:                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> >Birthday                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> >++++++++                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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> >All these are best heard with a vocal eliminator removing the music in the                                                                                                                                                                                  
> >centre.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> >0:40 to 0:44 -- Whispering between vocalists                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> >2:04 to 2:06 -- Previous takes "dance" shows through after this take is                                                                                                                                                                                     
> >                complete, leading to "daaaaaance.../aaaance" (No D!)                                                                                                                                                                                        
> >2:32         -- Laughter after drums stop.                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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> What sort of vocal eliminator do you use? Do you know how it works? I've                                                                                                                                                                                     
> implemented a vocal eliminator on a Silicon Graphics Indigo, using left-right,                                                                                                                                                                               
> out of phase cancellation. Pretty primitive, but it works. I'm trying to find                                                                                                                                                                                
> out what the other methods are.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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> Thanks in anticipation,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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> Ross-c                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Mine is also a phase cancellation one....but it has an additional bit which                                                                                                                                                                                    
will pass bass sounds through untouched. This improves its use, as most                                                                                                                                                                                        
modern stereo recordings have bass panned centre. These would otherwise be                                                                                                                                                                                     
eliminated too...(as in my Mark I eliminator)....I do not know of any other                                                                                                                                                                                    
way of doing this (without resorting to computers) .....                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
It isn't the phase cancellation that is primitive....implemented properly it                                                                                                                                                                                   
works brilliantly!!...A good one I have seen is fitted into the Amstrad                                                                                                                                                                                        
Studio 100 range of 4-Track/Midi hifi systems.....now discontinued I think.                                                                                                                                                                                    
When you line up the controls *inside* and get the tape azimuth right (both                                                                                                                                                                                    
of these can really stop it working if not set right) it will bin the vocals                                                                                                                                                                                   
very effectively!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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