HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Top 25 News Submitters by User by number of articles for the last 2 weeks
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:57:29
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk's message of 16 Oct 92 21:14:29 GMT


In article <Bw8GC7.94u@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <BvvnrC.AHG@uunet.uu.net> newsstats@uunet.UU.NET writes:
>:>6>170>  356.1  0.1%>ecsd@tfs.COM  (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
>:			>>54% rec.org.mensa
>:			>>19% rec.nude
>:			>>10% alt.astrology
>:			>>5% alt.polyamory

>I wondered why it was so peaceful here.  He's found other
>people to harass.  Interesting choice of groups...

Humm...just think of the personals ad:

  Socially inept computer male seeks pseudo-intellgent naked person
  for group sex (when the stars are favorable).  No feminists!

*grin*...

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: being "in love"
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:58:20 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Skritching

In article <1992Oct5.180304.21112@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|Anyway, what I want to ask you net.people is whether you think that their
|are people who have never experienced erotic love for anybody, same or
|opposite sex?  The reason I ask is not to say that people who have never
|experienced it are "wrong", "sick", or "bad" - but just out of my own
|bafflement.  I know that I came out to myself as bi after acknowledging that
|I had been in love with both men and women.  If it had only been one or
|the other I'd have called myself something else.
|
|And do you think the invocation of "love" is a good or bad technique for
|convincing the sceptical straight-person?


  Well, I've commented in the past that my internal definition for my
bisexuality comes from me having crushes on people of both sexes.  As
for love, I don't know.  I am now involved with a man where the intensity
of my feelings are so high that they seem like a placid sea; is that love?
God knows I like fucking him, and I've done some *extremely silly things
to spend time with him, but it's not a feeling that I've had with any
other person.  I've also had feelings of *intense sexual desire mixed
with and confused by emotional attraction for other people, but those
feelings run so close to (the orcish defintion of) a crush that I'd
be hesitant to call it erotic love. [the orcish definition of a crush
is an asymmetric desire for someone that's intense enough to distract
me from everything else and which usually ends in one or more broken
hearts :-(]

  I'm beginning to think that for me, the only way to explain myself
to other people is to say I *like fucking men and women. All my other
definitions end up just defining *me, and not in a way that's
comprehendable to anyone else, even if I'm capable of explaining
them without tearing my heart out in the process.

   david parsons
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gpb@gpb-mac. (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Yay!
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:42:44 GMT

rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Charles Lebeau) writes:
: 
: 	Hmm...I think I would like partcially shaven as compared to
: totally or not at all shaven.  I say think because I really haven't
: enough expierence to compare.
: 
: 				Robert

Well, if you ever make it to Austin, I can offer totally shaven to try out.

Greg.
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: for play
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 18:17:21 GMT

> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:

>Two things; one, the "<blush>" factor is diminished if the subject
>(nay, the object) has actually been aired ahead of time.

What object would that be, Mike? <flutter of eyelashes>

>just meant that some people encounter this moment as a "barrier"
>of some kind, where they feel unwilling to risk killing the
>oh-so-fragile moment with some words (or other communication).

Yeah, right. You're willing to sleep with someone, but not to talk. I can
*almost* see this by changing into SuperQueer, diving out of the closet with
my underpants over my trousers and declaiming that all those folks out there
succumbing to their terrible urges have lots of hormones and no brains.

But not quite. Communication and sex are so intimately linked for me that
I can't see it being terribly difficult to raise the issue of latex. Barrier
methods have always been my mode of contraception, though, and that came with
the sexual territory: no latex, no heterosexual penile-vaginal games. The
rest of the gamut of sex, well, most of my partners are equally clued in to
the joys of latex... and those who aren't, soon get acquainted with such.

>ridiculous.  If y'can't communicate in your sex, what *are* you
>doing in it?  Masturbating?  [General you, of course, T :-) ]

huh! I masturbate as well as the next person |-)

>A phonecall or somesuch can wreck a mood, 

<trrring trrring> "Hiya, whatcha doing?" "Oh, nothing..."

Tanaqui

"And like a fortune-teller's, 
 Their marrow-piercing guesses are whatever you believe"  Elizabeth Bishop
From: nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu (Nathan J. Mehl)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Two women (and other stuff)
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:46:28 GMT
Reply-To: nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu
Organization: Nihilists for a Better Tomorrow

In article <1bhebuINNjg@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>
>Now, granted, I do have these fantasies regarding two straight men, but
>they're so incredible and adorably cute, nice, and handsome, that I think I
>may be forgiven ... and it's not the orientation that is attracting me, it's
>the fact that they're really really good friends and good people.
>
Consider yourself forgiven.  After all, you're talking about friends here,
and there are very few people on this planet who haven't had some sort of
sexual fantasies about their close friends, regardless of orientational
compatibility.

Or then there's true emotional masochists like me, who fall in total lust
with a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses missionaries that I see every other
week on the bus.  One of these days I will track down my libido and bludgeon
it to death with a large blunt object. :-b



------------Nathan J. Mehl---------------(nmehl@pennsas.upenn.edu)------
It's the little touches that make a future solid enough to be destroyed.
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:14:58 GMT


>In article <1992Oct4.133147.11002@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>I'm like to pursue the question of what are the "natural habitats"
>>of bisexuals in today's society -- spaces that are bi-friendly or
>>tolerant enough to encourage bis to be visible.
>>
>> - Neo-pagan circles
>> - Sci-fi fandom
>> - The polyamorous, "swingers"
>> - FurryMUCK 

In our town, the Presbyterian church is the one that is where we go.
Surprise :)
Of course then the church is also having problems with the elders :)
The elders dont like the fact that there are a bunch of "fags and dykes" 
being ordained in the church.... stupid eh?
amazing to me..... but the congregation is all standing together :)
Maybe it is time for me to go back and see who has taken over the church now :o

Later-
-kimberli roan

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: Two women please
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:04:15 GMT

[copy sent via email, but also posted to soc.bi since I think others
might be interested]

In <1992Oct14.124615.203108@uctvax.uct.ac.za> krgjus01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>I have always fantasised about having sex with two lesbians at once as I
>think it must be the most amazing experience imaginable. 
>
>To be in bed with two beautiful women at once would be a dream cum true
>so would anyone who has been lucky enough to have this experience please
>E-mail me with details (all the details!). 

Hah! Beat ya! I once slept with, oh, about 6 women (YES!!! count 'em!
1, 2, 3, 5, 9 6), all of whom I presume were either lesbian or bisexual
(I like to think that they were all lezzos since that would make it all
the kinkier, you know!). Yup, it's true. I was in Belfast last year at
a queer disco which was organised as a cross-cultural event. There were
folk there from the North and South of Ireland and also England.
Anyway, a friend up there offered me crash space. It turned out that
she had also offered crash space to about six women too. It was great
fun, I can tell you, lying there in the dark, all of us in SEPARATE
sleeping bags (kinky or what!!!), one crashed out on the sofa and the
rest of us on the floor, talking and telling jokes until we fell
asleep.

And then, in the morning when most of the people were up, there was just
me on the floor and a a woman on the sofa, both of us still in our
sleeping bags (was that safer-sex or what?) and we just lay there chatting
away and somebody even brought us in some toast and tea for breakfast.
(BREAKFAST IN BED WITH A LEZZER!!!!!!!) It was heavenly.

>"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" - old proverb
>Give me two bushes anyday!!

Emigrate to America, apply for citizenship and vote twice in the
presidental election.

>The Purple-Helmeted Warrior

Oh, poor dear. You must be all swollen with that helmet on. Take it off
and run in plenty of clue-cream to make the swelling go down.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly)
Subject: Re: Two women please
Organization: Rational
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:21:33 GMT

andreaf@bonnie.Rational.COM (Andrea Frankel) writes:

>This is a test, this is only a test.  Send some fluffies my way, please!

<pounce> I found a muffin!  And I can tell you she is tres cool.

Iseult.

PS Andrea, I am not at all sure you *want* a reccommendation from me on
this group.  They may think you are another raging feminazi lesbo dyke
masquerading as a bisexual.  <grin> Oh I do love to stir .....
From: zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:24:25 GMT
Reply-To: colin@manchester.ac.uk
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept Manchester University

In article <1992Oct8.120414.28830@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:

|>  "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."
|> 
|> [...] The point, as I read it, is that "enlightenment"
|> comes from within, not from external authority. Worshiping the
|> external Buddha is a barrier to progress.

I think it's slightly more fundamental - I interpret it as meaning
that you wil *not* meet the Buddha on the road - so if you think you
do, you're imagining it.  Destroy the hallucination.  As you say,
progress can only come from within*.

|> Similarly, in the coming-out
|> process, our development comes from being true to ourselves, not
|> by mindlessly following the example of some "super-queer".

Again, what "super-queer"?  I'm pushing hard on this point (oo-err!),
but I would say that there is no "super-queer", at least, not in a way
that could be relevant to anyone else.

|> As an alternative one might suggest:
|> 
|>  If you meet a Queer on the road, fuck em!

Ah, Albert.  You have reached enlightenment.

Colin

* I don't entirely believe this sentence (that's the one with the
asterix at the end of it), as I'm not too sure of what "progress" is.
It probably comes of being rather more a Taoist than a Buddhist.  We
are just here, then we die.  The fundamental "force" of the universe
does nothing, couldn't care, and doesn't notice our passing.  What
point is there in progress?

  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
             	   ... I can't even *think* straight ...
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I am not a bisexual!!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:25:26
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 8 Oct 1992 06:23:47 GMT

In article <1b0k5jINN8om@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
   In article <1992Oct8.033630.16318@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:

>->and my close-second favourite (see above):
>->	"Bisexual Separatist"

>*blink* Sat here for about 5 minutes, trying to figure out the logistics of
>that statement, then gave up :)

You ommitted the description of the graphic, which makes it all clear.
A smiley face separating a male symbol and a female symbol...in other
words, some of us like being in the middle...*grin*....

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Teensy Weensy Virginities
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:15:03 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)

>>I was actually talking about gay virginity with my ex-boyfriend not too long
>Umm, OK ... you mentioned 'four ways for a man to lose his virginity to
>another man.'.
>
>I'd be the first one to admit I'm clueless, so I'll bite ...
>
>How does one give his vaginal virginity to another man? Is this something I
>missed in Sex Education (i.e. Furry :) )? 


Now you're just being flippant.  Since I was talking about *gay* virginity,
I assumed that gay men don't lose it to anyone but another man (otherwise
it wouldn't be gay virginity, right? 8-).  If you're bi, you're not just
dealing with gay virginity anymore, and you have that additional virginity
to lose (or hold on to, as the case may be).

>Thanks, Dave.  It's quite a handsome tidbit, too.
No, thank *you*, Coy Roy, for not letting that tidbit slip by uncorrected. c(-8
DCXF
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 grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca  \  /  \  /  \  /  immobilizes us, but silence. 
                             \/    \/    \/  And there are so many silences
 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada                    to be broken." -Audre Lorde
From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: BiCon details ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:30:53 GMT
Organization: Raccoon-Silkies have more fun !


 In reply to sie who asked about the tezuka ftp site's naming : yes, it's
the anime director. Unfortunately, my anime experience runs to about five
films/series so far, so even if this were the correct forum, I couldn't
rattle off many examples of his work (Totoro ?), but Kimba the White Lion is
definitely amongst them.

 Well, what did you expect from the furry ftp site ?  >grin<

 And now for something slightly different : has anyone got the details on
registration for the BiCon in London on the 23/24th ? Thanks to the lurings
of a certain mustelid, I would appear to be in need of such information..

 (Who was it who was talking about - ah - being interrupted by the phone ?
No problem. I just take to gently tickling until I get some sort of
reaction. There's a particular joy to be had in seeing someone do their
utmost to remain total composure in such circumstances..)

 And finally, a water-skiing rhinoceros.

 No, that's next week. Now, I'd like to repeat a plea for a copy of the
famed Kilroy - Beta better, VHS ok. I saw the notices appearing about the
prog just in time to miss it by ten hours or so. *sigh*

 **hugs** to the newly emerged demuffining types, too. And one more for
Fenthe, who's much too cuddly for his own good, despite what he may protest
occasionally.

-- Porsupah

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From: zzaascd@hpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:04:19 GMT
Reply-To: colin@manchester.ac.uk
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept Manchester University

In article <1avri7INN4q0@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
|> In article <ZEN.92Oct6233259@death.corp.sun.com> zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
|> ->  But back to your questions... what *should* you have said?  You could
|> ->try:
|> ->
|> ->    If you meet a queer on the road, kill them.
|> 
|> *cough* *sputter* *choke* 

There, there.  Don't worry - it's a zen thing - only one word away from
kobold in the dictionary, but harder to deal with (in general).

I missed the original post (it must've slipped through my koan filter) -
you (d) really should put a warning in to save the hearts and minds of
the enlightenment-challenged...

Colin

  Colin Dente                     | JANET: dente@uk.ac.manchester
  Manchester Computing Centre     | ARPA:  dente@manchester.ac.uk
  University of Manchester, UK    | UUCP:  ...!mcsun!ukc!manchester!dente
             	   ... I can't even *think* straight ...
From: cnovy@deja-vu.aiss.uiuc.edu (Chris Novy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: National Coming Out Day
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:03:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2vtG.8MH
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

What's with all this "fluffy" "cuddly" hugs" stuff?  I'm very new to this
group and to usenet.  ..Chris..

Chris Novy
CNovy@Deja-Vu.AISS.UIUC.EDU
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: New Group Formed!
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:54:35 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


   First off, thanks to the many people who've praised us publically
& privately...you lot here in soc.bi were in fact the inspiration at
the beginning of the year for Karina & I to go along to the (then)
GL Society and ask right up front what their stance was towards Bi
people...

   But then the cute & friendly mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike
Lloyd) writes:
>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>:    We have plans to follow this up with a more general Melbourne-based
>: Bi-Friendly Group to service the greater community.
>
>*guffaw*  Mind your phrasing, Joe!

   There have been some suggestions that I wanted a Bi-Friendly Group
to service *me*...a couple of people have actually reminded me that I
shouldn't check out everyone who walks in (they wanted first shot at it,
actually! 8->).

   But seriously, I am considering some explicit guidelines on how to
behave in the Bi-Friendly Group, given that we have every sexuality
represented (which could lead to a lot of "operand type mis-match"
errors if people aren't sensitive).

Joe. (F9 M4 p+++! a+++ k+(+) f(-) b(+) w(+) h++)
     (and no, that's not a Bear Code by the way...)

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Subject: Re: Yay!
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:14:01 GMT

In article <Bw3st7.926@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>I'll shave myself, and with a wet razor.  Electric razors really chew up
>my skin; and if you think I'm letting anyone come within arm's reach of
>me with a potentially-lethal appliance... I can remember Iseult's posts :)

I use a Philishave - which doesn't munge my skin. My SO uses a Hitachi
which leaves my skin untouched, but also leaves my facial hair pretty
much unscathed. Both vibrate interestingly, and could, at a pinch,
provide some amusement in the absence of more, er... specialised
equipment. (-8

>Of course, there are other bits to kiss that don't need shaving...

Well - if hair worries you, then I would have thought that *all* the
bits worth kissing would need shaving.

--Clive.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 20:03:52 EDT

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>  "Andrew C. Plotkin" <ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> >Four books: _The Door into {Fire, Shadow, Sunset, Starlight}_  The first
> >three are published (although the third isn't out in the US yet, damn
> >damn damn)
> 
> But is in the UK. Another person for a copy? Hey, I've only sent four so
> far; I'm hardly undercutting the American distributors...
> 
> Tanaqui
> 

I'm interested.  How much is the book? Is it hardcover or paperback or 
what?  

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert Charles Lebeau)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yet Another Demuffining(sp?)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:31:20 GMT
Organization: None, I'm complete devoted to Chaos.
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In article <NgJesB11w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>
>Hi!  Hugs!  Welcome!  
>
>Why would you want to change your name?  It's a good name....
>
>Namaste,
>Elizabeth

Thanks for the hugs and welcome.  

So far all the wonderful people here that I have talked with, or who
have posted, have been great and really supportive.  Thank you all.

As for my name, I have no person problems with it...I love it.
Unfortunately I also liked playing with it, just like I always
change my other 'finger' information on my account, but that's something
I'm complaining about to my university, not you.  Making posts when
deprived of sleep lead one to ramble about the injustices in life =-)

				Robert
From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:25:42 GMT
Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California

In article <6396@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> colin@manchester.ac.uk writes:
}It probably comes of being rather more a Taoist than a Buddhist.  We
}are just here, then we die.  The fundamental "force" of the universe
}does nothing, couldn't care, and doesn't notice our passing.  What
}point is there in progress?

And what point is there in not-progress?  What is the point of worrying
whether things have a point or not?  Meaning is something imputed,
not something intrinsic...

JAS
-- 
John Alan Stanley      ConFurence Four Art Show Coordinator
john@ontek.com         _Touch_ Staff Member
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                       "Well, I don't know if that's what's out there!"