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Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: nleverton@cix.compulink.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Subject: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Cc: alt.fan.douglas-adams@gate.demon.co.uk, nleverton@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: nleverton@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:28:00 +0000

In article <1992Nov5.015723.5059@alf.uib.no> bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern
Tore Sund) wrote:

>In article <Bx7A1s.LIq@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ZAPHOD BEE
BLEBROX) writes:
>
>|> >Err, I have it on *very* good authority ;-) that he has one (and I don't
>|> >mean Compuserve, either ...), and that he knows about this newsgroup.
>|> I have it on very good authority that you are wrong.   I got it from what
>|> Douglas said in Toronto and on Larry King.  He knows the newsgroup exists, but
>|> does not have an Internet address, merely a CI$ account.
>
>I do have a feeling that you're wrong. If you read alt.net.personalities, article 40
,
>you'll see both DNA and Terry Pratchett listed there, with mail-addresses and all.
>DNA's is:

We can't both be wrong, either he *does* have an internet mail address or
he *doesn't* ... and as it happens you point out later on that he does.

>%N Douglas Adams
>%S author "Hitchiker Guide to the Galaxy"
>%A dna@cix.compulink.co.uk
>%L His address filters mails from unknow people to him
>%L Not sure that ever read or posted to usenet, but
>%L he *does* have access to it
>
>The listing for Terry Pratchett shows that he has his mail address on the _same_
>computer (cix.compulink.co.uk) as DNA, and it is clearly stated that he
>"reads and posts".
>
>DNA seems to have been bluffing us... :-(

You can't say I didn't tell you! And another DNA bluff: the only mail
filtering at CIX is that which the recipient himself applies.

>P.S. Flame away - both on the subject of posting DNA's email-address (remember that
>I merely copied it from another posting on a different group - it was in other words
>already made public before I went along), and on my bluffing accusations (which I
>feel are quite justified...) !

"Norway, nul points" :-)

Nick.
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: dace@shrike.und.ac.za ()
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 07:18:55 GMT
Organization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: shrike.und.ac.za
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ucjtrjf@ucl.ac.uk (Jonny Farringdon) writes:
: 
: Umm. i too fingered  {dna, douglas, adams, da, &c} at cix.compulink.co.uk
: and found NO sign of him - or Pratchett -.
: 
[stuff deleted]
: 
: % finger dna@192.188.69.2
: [192.188.69.2]
: Login name: dna                         In real life: ???
: 
: This means that `dna' is NOT an account on cix.compulink.co.uk !

No it doesn't - if you look in alt.fan.pratchett, you see that tpratchett@cix
contributes regularly.  When fingered, this account gives the same result.
I think cix is a pretty weird setup, so I admit I was very wrong in saying
the account existed, but you are wrong in saying it means it doesn't.

	-Hal
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: mlgottli@athena.mit.edu (Mark L Gottlieb)
Subject: Re: Young Zaphod-Huh?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:24:43 GMT

Hello to everybody on the sub-etha net!
(*there is a SPOILER in the text below*)
The way I interpreted Young Zaphod (and I am only guessing because it really
confused me) is that is somehow relates to the origin of Hitchhiker's. DA's first
idea for a humorous sci-fi radio series was to have the earth get destroyed in a
different and weird way each show. (Great idea IMHO) However, when writing
the first one, in which a house was demolished to make way for a bypass and then
the same thing happened to the earth, he kind of got sidetracked and wound up
writing The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The numerous demolitions of
the earth was scrapped. Young Zaphod is (I think) a throwback to his days of
brainstorming blowing up the planet. Section ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha had to be made
"perfectly safe." This is just one of many ideas DA had troughout the series
regarding why the earth was blown up: Hyperspace bypass, the psychiatrists didn't
want the Question known, the most dangerous man in the Universe went there, and 
the Grebulon leader didn't want a bad horoscope. I think I may be leaving one
out, possibly from the radio scripts. (Didn't Zaphod order the world blown up in
the scripts?) That's the only sense I could make out of the story. As far as I
can tell, Zaphod only appears in it because he was a popular character and HH
fans would be interested. He also ties it in with the HH series which is again
related to the multiple earth destruction ploy. Any comments?

Mark Gottlieb                           Life is like an incomplete sentence--
mlgottli@athena.mit.edu                just when you think you're near the end,
From: dace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Thoughts on MOSTLY HARMLESS (spoilers)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 21:20:11 GMT
Organization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa
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amw@cs.bham.ac.uk (Andy Wood) writes:
: 
: I second that - but why not the geese?
Have you ever actually *met* a live goose?  They are some of the most vicious
and unlikeable beasts on the planet (IMHGO)

	-Hal 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams,rec.arts.sf.written
From: tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele)
Subject: Re: Hitchhiker Radio Play on CDs?
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:26:32 GMT

Try BBC World Service in London.  They have a shop which sells them.

Tim
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: bjornts@ii.uib.no (Bjoern Tore Sund)
Subject: Re: zb: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 01:57:23 GMT

In article <Bx7A1s.LIq@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v120qldp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ZAPHOD BEEBLEBROX) writes:

|> >Err, I have it on *very* good authority ;-) that he has one (and I don't
|> >mean Compuserve, either ...), and that he knows about this newsgroup.
|> 
|> 
|> I have it on very good authority that you are wrong.   I got it from what
|> Douglas said in Toronto and on Larry King.  He knows the newsgroup exists, but
|> does not have an Internet address, merely a CI$ account.

I do have a feeling that you're wrong. If you read alt.net.personalities, article 40,
you'll see both DNA and Terry Pratchett listed there, with mail-addresses and all.
DNA's is:

%N Douglas Adams
%S author "Hitchiker Guide to the Galaxy"
%A dna@cix.compulink.co.uk
%L His address filters mails from unknow people to him
%L Not sure that ever read or posted to usenet, but
%L he *does* have access to it

The listing for Terry Pratchett shows that he has his mail address on the _same_ 
computer (cix.compulink.co.uk) as DNA, and it is clearly stated that he
"reads and posts".

DNA seems to have been bluffing us... :-(

|> zb: | WWIVnet 1@7659 | IceNET 1@7659 | WWIVLink 1@17659 | SysOp:  Disaster Area
|> zb: | v120qldp@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu | 14400 v.32bis * 9600 v.32 | (716)683-6657
|> 
|>  If you've done six impossible things today, why not top it off by calling DA?

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P.S. Flame away - both on the subject of posting DNA's email-address (remember that
I merely copied it from another posting on a different group - it was in other words
already made public before I went along), and on my bluffing accusations (which I
feel are quite justified...) !
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams,rec.arts.sf.written
From: djf@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty)
Subject: Re: Hitchhiker Radio Play on CDs?
Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:49:17 GMT

Sony have a CD ROM system called the Electronic Book. I don't know if they
plan to release a copy of Hitchhiker's on this CD format, but it would
seem appropriate, wouldn't it?
-- 
                  Marvin Batty (AKA D. Fulford-Brown)
                         djf@cch.cov.ac.uk
                  "Space, the Final Frontier......"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Re: "How to leave a planet" - where is this
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:20:12 GMT

In article 1dpfnqINN46q@bigboote.WPI.EDU, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.180409.793@skitzo.dseg.ti.com> dittman@skitzo.dseg.ti.com (Eric Dittman) writes:
>>In article <1djgfrINNovt@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>>> 	It's a prettied-up copy of "The More Than Complete Hitchhiker's
>>> Trilogy".  It includes the first four books, the inconsistency/How To Leave the
>>> Planet introduction, and Young Zaphod Plays It Safe.  The cover is leather,
>>> the endpages have a Smiling Planet pattern, and there's a cloth bookmark
>>> bound into the book.  Bought it in Waldenbooks for $19.95.  I didn't consider
>>> that a bad price AT ALL when you consider MH is $20 in hardback and the
>>> leatherbound edition is damn near indestructable under normal conditions.
>>
>>My copy has two errors on the spine.  The first book is listed as
>>_The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe_ and the second as _The
>>Restaurant at the End of the Galaxy_.
>
>	Huh, mine doesn't.  I wonder how many there are like yours.
>
>					-Jay
>
My copy has the errors.

Doug Brod



Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: ctalbott@mksol.dseg.ti.com (christopher j talbott)
Subject: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:05:10 GMT

In article <1dilmiINNddc@shrike.und.ac.za>, dace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace) writes:
|> I have [shock, horror] fingered the alleged dna@cix.compulink.co.uk and it
|> *does* exist.  It also has no listed real name for the account holder.
|> 
|> (Nor does Terry Pratchett's, btw)
|> 
|> I think it's likely that this real account does really belong to DNA, and
|> so he does have access to this newsgroup & internet mail.  So, he's
|> probably reading this anyway, in which case it's really impolite not to
|> chip in & let us know - I'm sure people would respect a request not to
|> email.
|> 
|> 	-Hal

Fine piece of detective work, Hal...probably means absolutely nothing.

People would NOT repeat NOT respect a request not to email him.  That's
what FANS do!!!  THEY MAIL THINGS!!!  Just consider all the ASSININE,
idiotic questions that get asked and the cuckoo theories containing the
now dreaded number 42 in them that get posted to this newsgroup alone,
and you should be able to guess how much idiotic mail Adams would get.

Let's DON'T get Douglas Adams on the net.  Let's let him WRITE, which
is why we all enjoy his stuff in the first place.

-Chris
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From: roto@elena.dei.unipd.it (Roberto Totaro)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: "QED"
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:28:58 GMT
Organization: Universita` di Padova, Italia

>>Big question for all Adams fans. I remember in HHGTTG, there
>>was a conversation between someone and God, whereby the
>>person argued against God's existance and concluded with
>>the letters "QED". I have always been intensely curious
>>about the meaning of this abbreviation.
>
>>Is it Latin? What's the deal?
>
>From what I know, the 'Q', 'E', 'D' do have a latin word behind it, which I 
>don't know.  But the bottom line is that the latin words mean "Quite Easily
>Done" of which the abberviation could also mean.

	QED means Quod Erat Demonstrandum, that is: "What has to be
	demonstrated".

	Bye bye folks,

				Roberto
From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: On Meeting Douglas Adams
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:44:00 GMT
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University

So, I just met Douglas Adams (he was at our station doing an interview.)  
Boy, is he tall.  He's also very tired (I asked him when he will be 
finished with all of this and he said, "When I'm dead.")  This book 
promotion tour sounds like it has been a killer.  He's in East Lansing 
tonight for a book signing and newspaper interviews and off to Detroit 
following all this.  Anyway, I will post some of things he said in his 
interview after all the tape is cut.  Cheers.

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WKAR-FM, 283 Communication Arts Bldg  East Lansing, MI 48824-1212 USA
Internet: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu      Bitnet: hal@radio.wkar.bitnet
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Re: Mostly Harmless
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:32:20 GMT

alex@biostat.washington.edu (Alex MacKenzie) writes:

>Arthur realizes he slipped in the shower, was knocked out, and dreamt the
>entire 5th book.

>Whatever.  DNA has created a universe full of implausible things, and he
>can do what he wants with it.

Not so far-fetched! After all: Who'd have dreamt about Earth being saved
before book 4 was out? But you should leave it to the author, and I
guess he can create as much fun with new characters as well.


May Another Cool Frood Be with Us!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:35:57 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: What is a Ford Prefect anyway?
 <1992Nov5.053124.21067@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
 <c9219517.19.721193255@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
 <1992Nov8.080022.11177@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> <martin.721226718@marsh>
 <96666@netnews.upenn.edu>

In article <96666@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P
Wiener) says:
>At least I know there's a joke regarding Ford's failed attempt at
>choosing an innocuous name.  While I'm at it, I'm curious is there
>something that Britishers know about the name Slartibartfast that
>caused Arthur to gag that us Americans are missing out on?

There's a bit about this in the radio scripts book -- Adams thought that
this character of a Magrathean coastline designer should have some sort of
secret shame, but couldn't think of one, so he decided why, the character
would be ashamed of his name. He started with something really rude like
PHARTIPHUKBORLZ and just shuffled them around until he got something almost,
but not quite, entirely inoffensive.

Then again it could just be because he wanted to annoy his secretary who had
to type up this outrageously long name all the time.

(Isn't it scary that I know this? Shudder.)

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: f90-jos@byse.nada.kth.se (Johan Smros)
Subject: Re: Vanity Plates
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:50:26 GMT

In <7NOV199218272948@europa.aero.org> johnson@europa.aero.org (Wowbagger) writes:


>JUST A CURIOSITY......

>I have vanity license plates that read "WOWBAGR" (Wowbagger the Infinitely
>Prolonged).  Very often I will be stopped at a traffic light or getting out of
>my car when someone will ask me what the hell a "WOWBAGR" is.  But there is 
>always that one person out there...whether sitting in the next lane or walking
>past me in the parking lot who will shout "42" at me.  It happens about once
>every other month.  I sometimes wonder what other book characters warrant such
>a response from license plate appearances.  

I should guess "ZAPHOD" or "BBLBROX" for instance.

>Rick "Wowbagger" Johnson

Johan
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|  f90-jos@nada.kth.se (Johan Smros)  | Nothing travels faster than the speed |
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|  ZZ9PluralZAlpha                     | of bad news.            Douglas Adams |
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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Vanity Plates
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:24:33 GMT

Re: XYZZY

I donn't remember XYZZY working.  There's a road in a small town in
Arizona (I think) -- there's a sign telling you how to get there on the
Interstate -- called "XYZZY ROAD".  Imagine my surprise in seeing _that_
on my way to New Orleans. :)

- Eric S.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: The Tapes of the TV Series
From: russells@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Street)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:34:38 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Hi

The other day I purchased the commercial release of the HHGTTG TV series
on video, and yes it is BRILLANTLY done :)
But I have a few queries...

On the start of Tape 1 there was a stop press saying that some outtakes
had been found, and an address was given to write to if you wanted more
information.  Anyone know what this is all about?  Being a long way
from the UK I don't feel inclined to write.

On the cover of Tape 2 it claimed "Contains Previously Unseen Material"
-- what is it!  It has been about 7 years since I saw the series on TV
and so can't do a detailed comparision!

Thanks for any information
--------------------------------------------------------------
Russell Street (russells@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz)

Had you been alive at 3 am on the third of Autumn and switched
on your wireless you would have heard this:
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Thoughts on MOSTLY HARMLESS (spoilers)
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:55:03 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <1d9vqmINN54u@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, ST102315@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
|> In article <Bx7tAp.6An@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jjh37997@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James J.
|> Herlburt) said:
|> >>|> *** WARNING. POSSIBLE SPOILERS! *** READ MOSTLY HARMLESS FIRST ***
|> >>
|> >>Ditto for me....
|> 
|> Me, too...
|> 
|> >>|>   5. THHGTTG 6 is possible.
|> >>
|> >>'Course. But the Earth is gone-gone-gone-gone-(repeat infinitely....)
|> >
|> >Of course this is only true if the Guide Mk II is never ordered to bring
|> >the Earth back. Maybe if Fenny got her hands on it while looking for
|> >Arthur?
|> 
|> Unfortunately for the Earth, this way out is impossible as the Guide
|> Mark II was destroyed at the same time the rest of the Earths were.
|> Sad but true.  :)

This I don't see. It is very clearly **on** the Vogon ship after the Earth(s)
are destroyed, and Bob knows what will happen to it next.

|> >Also since the Earth was man-made as described in the first book we
|> >could just have a new one made. As long as the blueprints are on file.
|> 
|> This is more probable...except that the economic structure of the
|> Galaxy can't afford this kind of thing anymore.  Of course, if the mice
|> decide to give it another shot....

This, I don't see. It's been done once, it's played out, it's booooring. If DNA
ever gets the urge to bring back HHGTTG, he'll have to work long and hard to
come up with a good reason not to leave it alone - MH, as it stands, is a 
fitting ending.

|> My first post (Hey!  Look!  A Newbie!  Let's shoot it!),
|> jwgh

And a right pleasant one at that. Thanx for deleting the 50+ lines of my 
message that were getting bounced all over.


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Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 02:03:20 MST
From: <AHACC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!

Hal said:
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I have [shock, horror] fingered the alleged dna@cix.compulink.co.uk and it
*does* exist.  It also has no listed real name for the account holder.
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     Has it occurred to anyone that it may be _a_ Douglas Adams rather
than _the_ Douglas Adams?  They come in six-packs.  Haven't you heard?
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From: r_voisey@csd.uwe.ac.uk (R Voisey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: zb: Re: Let's get DNA on the Net!
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <BxB00K.L0w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v122kzkw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A FROOD WHO SURE KNOWS WHERE HIS TOWEL IS) writes:

>So, whether or not this is his address, I don't know. I don't know if he
>actually does have an internet address (In the interview with Larry King,
>he said he was on CompuServe and on AppleLink). If he does, great. If he

He has an account on cix.  dna@cix.compulink.co.uk

His resume is simply:  'Author'

Says it all really..

His mailbox doesn't filter anything - I expect his offline reader software
does it for him automatically.  Can't say I blame him.

Bob
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From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Douglas Adams in Chicago 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 17:27:15 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1992Nov2.202639.3404@Firewall.Nielsen.Com>
ccullen@ops-2.Naitc.Com writes:

> This doesn't SEEM to have hit the net yet:

I posted it a while back, but right after I did, we started having
problems with a site way upstream, and we basically lost the ability
to handle non-local news here.  :-(  so my post might have never gone
out beyond a couple of machines......

   --jim

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