HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Fingernail Polish
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: still more possibilities
Organization: practicing faggots
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:30:45 GMT

some red and some black is a nice idea.  let me also suggest painting
just *one* finger, or just one on each hand (not necessarily the
corresponding ones).  everyone who notices is *sure* your choice
of finger to paint must mean something, and you can keep them
off-balance by saying things like, "oh, well, that finger just
seemed *right* somehow".

haven't done it, but have seen it done, and much admired the effect.

arnold (kinda gettin' inta fingernail polish)
  (remembering the reception for the new dean when every male
   member of my osu department turned up, entirely by accident, in
   a three-piece suit, and recalling the dean's accusatory, and
   genuinely disappointed, first words to me - "this is NOT AT ALL
   what i had been led to expect from you people" - but also
   remembering with pleasure the series of costumes he was confronted
   with, and appeared to enjoy, in a semi-scandalized fashion, 
   thereafter)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:46:13 GMT

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Oh, and as for misogyny:  most of you need to check your sleeves.
>You'll find your wearing your cause on it.

I DAMN WELL HOPE SO.

Coward.

--Brent
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Buck Rogers (was: research on the gay male voice)
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:40:12 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

[I'm resisting the temptation to twist this with the gay names thread.]

In article <15843@star.cs.vu.nl>,
fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> >it has a phalanx of hunky winged men (who used to be a *major* fantasy
> >for me), and at least some viewers - hi, steve! - rent the movie just
> >to fast-forward from one of their appearances to the next.
> 
> Hunky winged men..aren't you confusing this with the equally appalling
> 'Flash Gordon' ?

With the soundtrack by Queen?

I've just remembered falling asleep in a Shepherd's Bush sauna in 1983,
after a man there was telling me that
he'd done the costumes for Buck Rogers (the movie),
and something about the continental version
where you got a flash of his bum (yawn).

I suppose it was true - or was it a load of Bob Sarver?
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"poot, (Scot.) v.i. to shoot at young partridges or young grouse."
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: "Behind the Hate in Oregon"
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:28:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.170440.20190@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>Today's (9/3/92) New York Times has a piece by Michelangelo
>Signorile (now a columnist at the Advocate) on the Op-Ed
>page, entitled "Behind the Hate in Oregon."  Here it is:
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
[much deleted]
>
>Last month, Mr. Mabon was feted in Washington by Housing
>Secretary Jack Kemp 
                ----
>and Republican Senators Orrin Hatch and
>Phil Gramm, who were trying to deter him from an independent
>campaign against Senator Bob Packwood of Oregon this fall.

I keep hearing rumors that Kemp is gay?  Anybody know?  If so, this
sounds like time for outing ... 

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------


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- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Insults
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:13:03 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.003017.11315@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
>wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:

>>The Maroon of Chicago are a proud bunch, and we blush
>>(something between a dark reddish brown and a deep purplish red) to see our
>>beloved Color used in such a manner.  This practice must *cease immediately*,
>>you, you cardinal!

>Now Wendy, with such a great number of colors to choose
>from, I fervently hope you choose another than cardinal with
>which to malign Friar Dyer, as 24,000 gay graduates of the
>University of Wisconsin, all Badgers whose color is cardinal
>[how's *that* for world-class logic?], would not be pleased.

i would have thought that *someone* from stanford would have chimed
in, but alas, i seem to be the first and only one so far. not only is
our color cardinal, we are called the cardinal as well (that would be
the color, not the church office or the bird). sigh. i thought that
father dyer was a crimson. oh well.

--mike
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "fuck"
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:42:02 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>I like 'fuck me' when said as an expression of amazement, myself.

Which makes me think about a story Ed told me about one of his British
friends, Jeremy. Now Jeremy is straight and had once been one of Ed's
love interests.

So one day when Jerry and Ed are together, something happens which
makes Jerry exclaim "fuck me" in total amazement.

True to his straight British nature, of course Jeremy couldn't but
blush and turn away and look sheepishly when Ed said something along
the lines of "I'd love to." I've never heard Jeremy say "fuck me"
since.
							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 19:02:48 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete
Distribution: usa

Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:

> I naturally thought that Boob=Fool.  I've never heard of anyone calling
> another person a breast before. 

"Shut your festering gob, you tit."

As they say.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"shine your white light on me"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: crossposting
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:10:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug26.000610.21296@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>I was just thinking about Rob, writing to a friend who just
>found out about Rob's being gone, and the next thing I read
>was this.  I wonder, if Rob were alive to respond to this,
>whether he wouldn't say something like:
>
>How the thread started wasn't really interesting, it was
>merely (um...) unusual.

Do you mean that *you* think it's not interesting, merely unusual, or are
you really trying to put words into a dead person's mouth?  It's not
dangerous (he's not likely to come back and disagree), but it is
presumptuous. 

And besides, I don't think he'd say that.
 
-- 

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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:43:57 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Aug20.051659.29143@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) 
   writes:
... 
> Hey, "Bob", you forgot to tell us about all the net mail you've
> been receiving supporting your position.  God, you're lame and
> pathetic.
>... 
> Unspeakably vile indeed...

     Was God wearing the pathetic lame' dress, or was Bob?

     Only his hairdresser knows for sure!
-- 
                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: Outlaw Biker
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 04:11:10 GMT

So there I was (war story) in Crossroads Mall.  I'd picked up The Cupcake's
mail and tried the special at the Indian place (should have stuck with the
dosa!) when I decided to take Melinda's advice and check out the Outlaw
Biker Tattoo Review (Revue?).

I wasn't certain they'd have it at the newsstand in the mall.  After all,
it's a fairly yuppie place, but they do get lots of Microsofties as customers,
so who knows what sort of weird stuff they might stock.  As it happens, I found
OB, but couldn't find the tattoo issue.  (The regular issue for this month is
at least vaguely interesting, featuring, among other things, the winner of
their "Show Us Yer Nuts" contest.)  Was on my way out when an exciting issue
of Computer Shopper caught my eye.  ("Austin's 486 Cyrix PC for under $1,000"
was the grabber, but "Blockbuster CD-ROM Bundles" clinched the sale.)

So, I wrestled my two pounds of ads up to the register, there to find the
clerk (CYT, female) in deep conversation with a (CYT, male).  As she grudgingly
took my money, I thought to myself "What the f***; go for it anyway," and
asked whether perhaps they stocked the OBTR.

Well!  I haven't seen such a reaction to a fat old dyke by a CYT since people
stopped asking "Would you like some cocaine?"  Turns out her girlfriend
(whatever that means) is a tattoo artist, and we had a nice chat while she
searched the racks, recommended SkinArt and looked for it, then checked the
printouts to see when the next issues of TR and SA would be in.  For what it's
worth, she and I both prefer detailed, fine-line tattoos to blocky ones, but
neither of us has had the nerve to get one.

Anyway, thanks to Melinda; I don't think I'd get such a warm reception asking
for an issue of DeNeuve.
---
-Wendy T., outlaw Hyundai driver
           (At least it _weighs_ about the same as a good bike.)
	   (Hmmmm . . . come to think of it, so do I.)
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:48:06 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>It's looking like the whole Republican National Convention gay bashing
>has come down *firmly* in our favour.

Politics, dear boy.  Open with a rabid right.  This brings the bible-
toting fundamentalists (who DO vote) firmly on-line.  Then, mellow.
It says:  See, we're listening to you.  We're really not such bad
guys.  Then, blame the enemy.  Then, wip up some patriotic fervor.
Look for War footage come October.  The fundamentalists will still
be on line.  But time heals all wounds, and the moderates will not
have jumped ship.

This assumes Buchanan is kept in check.  He could, of course, continue
as demagogue - which would throw off the careful calculations of 
Ailes, Baker, and Co.  But the Anti-Lavender Tide has probably been
shut down, for the most part, by the PR men in expensive suits.

Matthew Melmon
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Barbara Bush is a piece of shit.
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:42:18 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <dmnyg+h@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore) writes:
@ Hear, hear.  An interesting piece on NPR last night
@ described in detail how she's "aw, shucks"-ing her
@ way right back into the White House.  She's actually
@ very political and very tough, and she's not on our
@ side.

>Yeah, I'm glad this stuff has finally started to get out. NEWSWEEK was the 
>first place I saw information on how Barbara is really as political as Nancy
>Reagan but how she has managed to remain aloof. 

	How does that work out?

>Didn't anynoe notice sjhe wore that red `AIDS'' ribbon during her speech but
>when George and the kids came on to the stage it was gone?

	If that's so, then I guess she's now toeing the party line,
sad to say.

>RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''
>vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
>Anne-Imelda Radice, President Bush's appointee to head the National Endowment
>for the Arts, has been described as ``the Lesbian Clarence Thomas''.

	How is she that? Because she's a sellout? I guess if she is,
then she would certainly qualify as Politically Correct by Bush
administration standards.

	In alt.rush-limbaugh, there are transcripts of Rush Limbaugh's
talk shows; one of them featured a gay person who claimed to like RL,
despite his homophobia, and who claimed to dislike the homosexual
community.

	Well, maybe there were some Jews who _liked_ the Nazis and
some black people who _like_ the Ku Klux Klan.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:34:01 GMT

In <l9qu5fINN3s4@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <vanyel.714957011@camelot> 
>vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>> Whoah, Melinda!  I thought the whole "no female pronouns" thing applied to
>> men referring to *each other* with said pronouns.
>Yeah, well, that comes as no surprise.  Gay teens = males, right?

Considering that where I live, "gay" usually refers to males....

>> As I tell people who make "genderfuck" comments: My gender is male, thanks
>> to certain elements of anatomy.  It doesn't have anything to do with my
>> bedmates.
>You know, you might want to find out what "genderfuck" means.

Oh, I'm *so* sorry to tread on one of your areas of expertise, Arne
baby....

--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
Xref: sparky soc.motss:37868 ne.motss:474
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
Subject: Re: Comics: Kudzu of 9-1-92
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:55:05 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1992Sep1.195522.845@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Rosario Gennaro) writes:
> I was reading the Boston Globe funny page today and I stumbled into 
> "Kudzu". I don't know why I read it, I never do, I must have seen the 
> word "gay" unconsciously:
> 
> Kudzu and the Preacher sitting on the grass watching the sunset:
> Kudzu: All I want preacher ... is to be so handsome ... people will think 
>        I'm gay!

I liked this one too, although I suspect on close analysis I would
probably find all kinds of reasons why it was offensive. :-) BTW, the
character doing the talking isn't Kudzu, it's Nasal, which puts a
rather different spin on it if you're familiar with the strip.

(If you're not, trust me, it's not worth the trouble.)
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:44:23 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Sep1.154849.15788@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:

>> Author Top 30 (Size)
>>---------------------
>>  8   98686  66 Bob Sarver (bobsarv@microsoft.com)

>I am *incredibly* disappointed.  We ALL know that any
>CABAL that is worth ANYTHING WHATSOEVER knows EXACTLY 
>how to go about suppressing dissenting viewpoints.  If 
>our cabal was worth a FRACTION of the bandwidth they 
>consume, this NEVER would have happened.  [...]
>and you lame-os allow him to be heard.

Now you listen to me, Melinda Shore, you know perfectly well
we *had* to leave the bases uncovered for a little while
because there was this *fabulous* sale at Bloomies -- I know
you know about it, because I saw you there, so don't go
trying to deny it -- with all sorts of chachkas, tutus,
booties, run-free panties, flannel shirts, chaps, harnesses,
buckles, sex-toys, police whistles, attitude
rings/bracelets/watches/shades, plain jeans, Toyota pickups,
softballs (that's one word), skateboards, hair clippers,
earrings for the right ear only, protest signs, bullhorns,
bullwhips, bull-loney, saddles, crops, clamps, rings (free
piercingtodayonly), and don't even mention trying to get
into the tattoo salon or the hair salon, *such* a line.  And
aren't *some* people just *too* pushy for words?  Very
nearly the whole cabal was there, believe me, not just you
and me and Arne (not to mention KKruella and the Grand
PoohBear).  It was just one of those times, ya know?  I very
much doubt it will happen again.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Pompoms (was Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:53:18 GMT

I wrote:
>>  [I don't think US sailors have pompoms, do they?]

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>I'm sure they do.  [...]
>Also, people tend to confuse them with pompons. 

Well, we always called them pompoms when I was growing up.  (I even
remember making several of them -- was this an Early Sign?)  And
indeed the dictionary I have just consulted allows this as an
alternative form of pompon.  But I will admit that I did not know
about the other sense of pompom or that pompon was an English word, or
I would not have changed the "pompon" in the French original.

,
Eamonn
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay???
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:32:17 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Apparently during my holiday of the past few weeks, a virus invaded
soc.motss:

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) spews:
>I bet another masc. gay friend that none of the net queens [...]

You know, the more I live as a pretty much openly gay man in this
world, the more I realize that DIVISIVENESS is precisely what has
gotten the world into its current state. So how is exacerbating
this "masculine vs. nelly" thing going to help any?

The incessant need to categorize is a sure sign of insecurity. True
respect for other people means abandoning the naive assumption that
everyone is made from the same mould, and those who differ from you
must have gone astray. True respect for other people means accepting
them for who they are, not who you want them to be.

Revel in diversity. It's the stuff love is made of.

Brian
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ones true self.
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From: buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:45:48 GMT

emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>SUCCESS FOR DENEUVE

>  _DeNeuve_, the most important magazine for American Lesbians, has
>  just celebrated its first anniversary, in San Francisco.  According
>  to its directors, the monthly has attracted in a year more than
>  78,000 readers.  Flushed with its success, _DeNeuve_ should be
>  turning its attention more to the international market.

>  [Why have I never heard of this magazine here?  Is it just me?]
The magazine was featured in a little NEWSWEEK gossip piece a few months ago
because it was one of the fastest growing magazines in the Country at that time.

I don't know how many lesbians would agree with the ``most important'' title...

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``Racist, sexist, anti-gay! Operation Rescue GO AWAY!'' --heard in Buffalo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: a sad note
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:32:35 GMT
Summary: values
	 and regrets

In article <1992Sep2.205637.1368@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
writes:

> I tell you this because I mentioned him here, and because I
> loved him and he is gone.

and because this *is* a place where such things can be told.

-- 
Michael L. Siemon			"I know of nothing -- I suspect
					not even death -- that is so fixed
mls@usl.com				in the present tense as love."
standard disclaimer					-- Jess Anderson
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Strait folks ain't got no shame
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:22:53 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


A UPI item from August 7th that demonstrates clearly the double standards 
most heterosexuals employ:


                  HETEROSEXUAL DOCTORS TWICE AS LIKELY TO

                        HAVE SEX WITH THEIR PATIENTS*


>      SAN FRANCISCO -- A new survey finds nearly 1 out of 10 physicians
>nationwide have had sex with a patient at least once. The majority of
>encounters were between male doctors and female patients (89 percent)
>with female doctor-male patient relationships accounting for 6 percent
>and homosexual encounters 5 percent. One physician said he had relations
>with 11 different patients while 72 percent reported their contact
>involved a patient they still were treating.

Few professionals enjoy more rank and privilege in our society than do 
physicians.  On moral issues, even when the doctor has had no ethical training,
the opinion of one doctor generally outweighs that of at least 50 other
citizens with advanced degrees.   Yet you can be absolutely certain that 
none of the denominational journals will carry this news item or editorialize
about it.  They simply do not treat the misbehavior of the heteroprivileged as
just cause for moral outrage.   Unless challenged to do so, few hets 
are likely to bring out any of the indignation that month after 
month the Mote-Monitors evoke towards lesbigay persons.

Yes, lesbigay abusers show up in the UPI report too, with only
one-half our share.*  

Over a decade ago CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATION published a study with 
equally forceful indictment of heterosexual psychology professors.  It did
evoked only one letter-to-the-editor. (from me)   Heterosexuals find it so much 
easier to find evil only in those not like themselves.   That has always been 
the dynamic of idolatry.

Quean Lutibelle/Louie

*The headline is my own.  No strait news agency is morally capable of this 
 candor.  Most studies respected in academia show lesgays to be about 
 10 percent of the population.  Here they show up as abusers by half that 
 amount.


-- 
  ==========================================================================
  Louie Crew, Assoc. Prof., Academic Foundations Dept., Rutgers U./NWK 07102
  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                    Heteroprivilege is against New Jersey law!