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From: au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory C. Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Flat Footed Runner
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:21:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory C. Sheppard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  It seems like every time I run for about two weeks my ankles
(especially the right ankle) begin aching forcing me to stop running.
The pain is especially bad after a nights sleep but there is no pain
at all hardly unless I put pressure on the foot.
 Awhile back a nurse told me (in passing) I had flat feet.  I didn't
think much about it at the time, but now the message perhaps may be
painfully evident.
 A couple of days ago I bought some Sorbothane Ultra Soles and replaced
the inserts in my Asic Exults.  I was amazed to see that the original
Asics insert was absolutely nothing for protection, absolutely flat.  Is
this the norm for running shoes?
 Also, I've been "walking" around for a couple of days in my running
shoes because they now have inserts and I'm hoping the cushion will help
my ankles to heal.  Does anyone have ideas on why or why not it would be
good to use one's running shoes as walking shoes in between runs?
Should I avoid this or is it "ok"?
 Also would like to hear from any other flat footed runners in the group
and how they cope with the associated problems.
-- 
Greg Sheppard
Internet : imop@wa-ngnet.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: andrewh@rosemount.com (Andrew Holtum)
Subject: Re: More Running in Winter: Breathing
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:11:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.225155.9084@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs631112@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs631112) writes:
>From: cs631112@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs631112)
>Subject: More Running in Winter: Breathing
>Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:51:55 GMT

>My problem with running in the winter is that I feel like my lungs
>are being "burned" by the cold air.  Is there anything I can do
>about it?  (besides just bear down like the marathoner I'm supposed to be?)

>-- 
>                        Joshua Engel    |\
>                        President,      |/ urgatorio
>                                        |  roductions

I've lived in Minneapolis for all of my 35 years (run and X-C skied
for about 20) and I've really never had any problems with cold air
myself, except for a few days where it gets down to -20F.
Some things to try are:
- Do something indoors on the really bad days (if you can stand it).
- Try a mask specifically made for cold air "filtering" (I think 3M
  makes one).  It looks a lot like a painting or dust mask (they make
  those too).  In fact one of those might even do the trick.
- Try wearing a knit face/head mask that covers the nose and mouth.
- Run slower and easier to avoid breathing deep (hard to do when you're
  trying to get warm on the really cold days).
 
From my experience, I've always found that running or skiing with something
covering my mouth and nose hinders me more than helps.  Whatever you use
ends up absorbing tons of water vapor and snot which usually ends up
partially freezing before you're finished and getting in the way; feeling
uncomfortable and hindering further breathing.  I usually just go bare mouthed
and go slower.  The good news is that I've read from many sources that cold
air breathing during exercise does no permanent physical harm, but is just
uncomfotable for many people.  The air you breathe is warmed enough by your
body on the way in so that you can't "freeze" your lungs.
Hope this helps.
Andrew Holtum
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Pork (Was: Re: Semi-vegi diet)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:37:00 GMT

In article <721383316.525.0@glycol.ucc.andrew.cmu.edu>, Pomona Anupol Valero <penguin+@CMU.EDU> writes:
|> 
|> About pork, I grew up thinking that it was red meat.  Then, when I met
|> my ex-roommate, he told me that pork is white meat and that it's good
|> for you.  (My Mom always avoided having pork at home for meals, she
|> always (and still does) said that it's very unhealthy and promotes
|> high blood pressure.)  Any comments on this?
|> 

I believe that this is consistent with the propaganda being spewed by The
Pork Council (or whatever they call themselves) about "Pork...the other
white meat."  It is nonsense, unless pigs can now fly.
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Is there a Kansas City Marathon?
Keywords: Kansas City
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:03:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

Does anyone know if there is a marathon in Kansas City? 

-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Boston requirement
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:34:56 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Nov6.195754.17411@zeus.ieee.org>, tbont@ep.ieee.org writes:
> I'm writing on behalf of my girlfriend who just finished
> the New York Marathon (her first) in 3:51. She's 27 years
> old. Would anyone happen to know the Boston qualifying
> time for a woman in her age group?
> 

  AGE               MEN                WOMEN

  18-34		   3:10		      3:40
  35-39		   3:15               3:45
  40-44            3:20               3:50
  45-49            3:25               3:55
  50-54            3:30               4:00
  55-59            3:35               4:05
  60-64            3:40               4:10
  65-69            3:45               4:15
  70+              3:50               4:20


  Wheelchair Divison

     CLASS         MEN                 WOMEN

 1 (Quad Class)    3:00               3:10
 2-5               2:10               2:35

 Note: Your qualifying time is based upon your age on the day of
 the Boston Marathon, April 19, 1993. Example: You run a qualifying
 race at the age of 44 in 3:22. You then have a birthday before the
 Boston Marathon, making you 45. You qualify, because your required
 qualification time is 3:25.

 Your qualification race must be run between 1/1/92 and 3/8/93

 To get a race application, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope
 to:

	    Boston Athletic Association
	    P.O. Box 1993
	    Hopkinton, MA   01748


Hope this helps. 

BTW....Sorry about your girlfriend. But, she should certainly be
able to grab that qualification time with a little more training.
Best of luck to her.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Montreux running
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:57:19 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK




Jim Tallman kindly replied to my request about Oregon

can any of you people help him about his trip to Switzerland?

tony




From jimt@tvnews.tv.tek.com Thu Nov 12 01:02:51 1992
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:59:11 -0800
From: Jim Tallman <jimt@tvnews.tv.tek.com>
To: atb@uk.ac.daresbury.gserv1
Cc: jimt@tvnews.tv.tek.com
Subject: Re: Oregon running
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR
Content-Length: 361

give me some dates, and I can tell you the races in the
Portland Metro area.  If you need other areas, maybe I can
help.

I'll trade you info...I may be in Montreux, Switzerland on 10-15 June, 1993.
Do you know of any races 5K to 42K that would be possible.  The 42K is
preferred.  I'll go to nearby cities if necessary.

thanks, jim

email: jimt@tv.tv.tek.com
From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: arthroscope (was: Not ITB)
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:09:17 GMT

In article <92316.202223AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>, AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
|> have a partial tear in my cartiledge. It looks like I'll be having arthro-
|> scopic surgery within the next couple of weeks. Has anyone else had this
|> done? How long is the recovery time? Can I return to marathons or is that

There are numerous variations of arthroscopic surgery, and they vary widely
in how long the recovery takes.  So you need to ask your orthopod for
detailed explanation.

The bad end of the spectrum is "awsh*t, we could not reach all of the
damage thru the scope so we'll need to open it up".

The good end of the spectrum is very good indeed.  Joan Benoit Samuelson
ran a 2:31 marathon victory 17 days after a scope job, and after a few more
months ran 2:24 to win Olympic gold.  

Another anecdote: my wife needed a scope job after an aerobics-class injury.
She walked out of the recovery room, leaned on a cane for a few days, and
has no permanent restrictions on use of the knee.  Cosmetically speaking, she
has three tiny scars on the knee, only visible by knowing where to look and
getting up close.

-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email: gordon.chace@cdc.com or gkc@udev.cdc.com
RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, CFA general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:15:16 -0500 
From: Pomona Anupol Valero <penguin+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Semi-vegi diet

In message <1992Nov4.064220.16316@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, 
 lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) writes:
>I consider my diet semi-vegi as I don't eat red meat or pork.  I still eat
>and enjoy poultry (without the skin).  Of course I eat plenty of vegetables.
>I was wondering, what am I missing from not eating red meat and just chicken
>and turkey? I know poultry has most of what red meat has, but is there 
>something it lacks?  Hope this is the right place to ask as I assume most of
>us (hopefully all of us) are health concious on this group!
>
>Thanks for the time,
>-- 
>       --    O   The race is not always              Eric J. Lorenzo
>     ---   </\_       to the swift,           lorenzo@Rintintin.Colorado.EDU
>   ----  -\/\        but to those who                   also @UCSU
>      ---   /_       keep on running.  -?                & @Spot

I'm not sure, but then, if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone out there will
correct me.  ;) Anyway, what red meat has over poultry is higher
protein and iron content.  If I remember what one of my friends from
high school (long time ago ):) told me about when she first became a
vegetarian was that her doctor had to prescribe to her some iron and
protein supplement pills.  But she became a *REAL* vegetarian: no
fish, shrimp or poultry, no oreo cookies, etc.  (BTW, she no longer
needed to take them by high school though.)

About pork, I grew up thinking that it was red meat.  Then, when I met
my ex-roommate, he told me that pork is white meat and that it's good
for you.  (My Mom always avoided having pork at home for meals, she
always (and still does) said that it's very unhealthy and promotes
high blood pressure.)  Any comments on this?

Thanks,
Pomona Valero
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: clifford@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Tom Clifford)
Subject: Race in San Antonio
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:25:22 GMT

I am going to be in San Antonio Texas on 
Thanksgiving with some friends.  
We would like to do a run between
5 and 10K.  Maybe there is someone
out there in net land who could tell me
of a race or give me a number of someone in 
San Antonio who would know about races in
the area over Thanksgiving.  We would like 
to send in the applications now.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: New York Marathon accident?
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:53:14 GMT

In article <Uexm3iK00WBKI8A7Bf@andrew.cmu.edu>, Kirsten Guss <kg1k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Wait a minute!  Now this is bugging me... Lisa Ondiecki got to bust
>through a little piece of finish tape held between two guys off to the
>side, which in and of itself it didn't bother me- I assumed it was for
>purely logistical reasons - because there were too many men around her
>for tape to be spread across the entire finish line, as there was for
>the top male finisher ( I wish I could remember his name.)  But this
>attitude of, well, she did get $50,000 in cash and a new Mercedes AND
>she got to STOP really bothers me!  That she should be expected to be
>satisfied with less than the top male finisher, that is.

 I think all those men running around her was a real bother, and that
they should've let her run her own race, eventhough she's capable of
doing that, but still, it's annoying to see men jump infront of the
camera like "am I on now??" and hide the view of L.Ondiecki herself...
now, all TV-viewers saw her for more than two hours, so who could care
less about the stripe she ran through? the ones on spot got a closer
look at her, so what's the big deal?
about the prize money.. how many women contesters were there? If you
check out the "women's 10km" there are thousands of participants, and
there I could imagine the prize would be real high, but as for a "women's
marathon" I don't know how many women would be in it.. so, when they run
together with men, well, women just aint as fast as men are, yet, so they
don't come in 1st, 2nd nor 3rd, so why should they have as much as #1 ??
just as if I ran a race with 1000 women beating me, and when I finish I'd
go "hey! I'm the male winner, I want as much as the winner!", stupid, no?
this isn't soc.gender-stuff?? oh, sorreeeh :-) flame away, I'm ready!




---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my OWN,
               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Northern Europe)
From: siddarth@cs.utexas.edu (Siddarth Subramanian)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running in Winter
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:19:40 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thunderbird.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov5.213317.22568@afit.af.mil> jcardow@afit.af.mil (James E. Cardow) writes:
>My problem is my hands are cold to start, and I can't stand
>the heat after a couple of miles, so they always come off.  In a race,
>if I don't want to carry them I can dump them and if I can't find them
>later I'm not out much.


It's amazing how different bodies react so differently to cold
weather. Unlike James, I wear gloves upto something like 58 degrees F.
I'll run in shorts and singlet but I still need the gloves. There's no
question of ever having to dump my gloves in anything below 50
degrees.

Sid


-- 

Siddarth Subramanian          INTERNET: siddarth@cs.utexas.edu
Austin, Texas                 UUCP:     uunet!cs.utexas.edu!siddarth
From: carleson@apee.cse.ogi.edu (Peter Carleson)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: running watches
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:37:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45385
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Applied Physics & Electrical Engineering, Beaverton

Rick Marshall asks:
>
>Does anyone have experience with the Lorus Trailmaster (30-lap memory
>etc.) advertised in the Fall/Winter Road Runner Sports catalog?  Looks

Yes, I have this watch, and am very unsatisfied by it. It's biggest
drawback is that it won't tell you your split times until the the
split is finished. This is real inconvenient if you want to see your
200m time during a 400m interval, or want to know how many minutes
to the next mile mark.

   Minor drawbacks are its large size, inability to delete just the
lap times from one run, and worthless night light. The pace calculations
are done in miles per hour. 

   Some advertisements will tell you that it shows graphically how
far you have run, and this is not true.

   The buttons are on the sides, which I prefer over the top-mounted
style as on the Ironman. 
  
   My opinion is to keep looking, I wish I had. 

Peter Carleson
carleson@apee.ogi.edu
From: adam@nynexst.com (Adam Epstein)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: New York Marathon accident?
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:40:53 GMT
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology

>|> There are plenty of other road races held across the country where the
>|> top women finishers get a completely different shute to run through at
>|> the end.  I was really apalled at the NYC Marathon organizers.  It just
>|> seemed to me that the finish line for the top women finishers was an
>|> afterthought.
>
>Especially when she finishes something like 40th overall.  It's not like
>there were hordes of men crossing the finishline at that time.

Take a look at a tape of the finish if you can.  There are 3 lanes
numbered as follows:

_____________
-> -> 3 -> -> 
_____________
-> -> 2 -> -> 
_____________
-> -> 1 -> -> 
_____________

Elite men finish in 2.  Elite Women finish in 3.  Separate male elite &
female elite lanes are necessary for select timing.  A separate lane for
the female winner is also necessary if there is to be a tape since elite
men are finishing in 2 when the lead woman finishes in 3.  Both male and
female winners finish through tapes held by the mayor and a sponsor
representative.  I suppose the choice of lane could be considered sexist,
but the size of each lane is the same.  I don't know why the female finish
tape was smaller.  It hardly seems significant.

-Adam

adam@nynexst.com
From: au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory C. Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Date: 13 Nov 1992 13:16:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory C. Sheppard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel) says:

>
>This is shocking to me!
>
 Worse than shocking...it's criminal!  I have to wonder about the
wisdom of putting locked & loaded weapons in the hands of hunters who
would fire first and check the identity of their target second.

>It means to me that I must be aware when the various
>hunting seasons are in effect, and where hunting is
>allowed in any locale where I might run,
>and NOT RUN THERE.
>
 I run on a game preserve which has lots of deer and have always
considered it a pretty safe place to run...until last week a "poacher"
bagged two deer.
 I guess it boils down to:  When running in a wooded, kill-zone, runner
beware!  It's one thing to wear all sorts of fluorescent stripes for
motorists' high-beams, and quite anohther to wear bold, bright colors 
to ward off hunters who are looking only for movement.

-- 
Greg Sheppard
Internet : imop@wa-ngnet.army.mil
From: rmcgover@aludra.usc.edu (Rob McGovern)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running in Winter
Date: 8 Nov 1992 22:08:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <92311.092603IO10644@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO10644@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>
>>...........My problem is my hands are cold to start, and I can't stand
>>the heat after a couple of miles, so they always come off.  In a race,
>>if I don't want to carry them I can dump them and if I can't find them
>>later I'm not out much.
>
>WOW!
>
>DUMP YOUR HANDS AND YOU'RE NOT OUT MUCH????

WOW Indeed.  Dumping your hands would solve all of those running
form problems too!!!!


Actually, I was always told by my high school cross country coach
to take an old pair of socks and use them as mittens.  When it
got to warm, you drop the socks and don't worry about them at
all.  It's much more efficient then dropping your gloves that
cost a couple of dollars each, or even your hands which are
irreplaceable!!!!


Rob McGovern                   rmcgover@phakt.usc.edu



Newsgroups: rec.running
From: haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeff Haferman)
Subject: ROAD RUNNER SPORTS - phone number needed
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:39:53 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


I'm looking for the phone number for Road Runner Sports.  I
used to have several of their catalogs, but they got lost
in my latest move.  I also tried 1-800 directory assistance,
but there is no toll free number.

So, because I have no other idea of how to track them down,
I am turning to the assistance of the net.

Thanks in advance.



Jeff Haferman                            internet: haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu
Department of Mechanical Engineering     DoD 0186  BMWMOA 44469  AMA 460140
The University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA  52242                                 '76 R90S
From: rayman@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Raymond Goure)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Midland, Tx Race Thanksgiving?
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:57:08 GMT
Organization: US WEST Information Technologies


Does anyone in the Midland area know of a thanksgiving weekend,
or day race. I'll be in the area and would like to run a 
5K - 20K race. Please e-mail at the above addr.... thanks.

ok
rayman
.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: max@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Max Ziff)
Subject: Upcoming Chicago Area 10k Races?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago
Distribution: chi
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:26:14 GMT

Could anyone tell me the dates of upcoming Chicago area 10k races?
I'm a beginner, so I'm particularly interested in something in the
Spring that I can plan for.

Thanks,
--
Donald Ziff (Max)                                    ziff@cs.uchicago.edu

"Dad, do you know what _schadenfreude_ means?" -- Lisa Simpson
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: dennisk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Dennis M. Kavanagh)
Subject: casio blood pressure watches
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Distribution: dc
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:03:13 GMT

The casio wathces checking blood pressure are not very usefuel when
running as the salt that accumulates on the finegr pads interferes with
the readings amd you must be completely still for the readings to
be made. I sent mine back...


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: srchave@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Steven R. Chavez)
Subject: Need race info for Glen Ridge, New Jersey 11/20-11/29
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:43:21 GMT

 have a friend who will be New Jersey, Glen Ridge and is looking
 for a road race between Nov 20-29.  He is looking for distance
 between 5k and 15k.  If there a race you know about, e-mail any
 info on the race, start time, cost, give aways.


	Thanks in advance

	Steve

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: gerulski@RedBrick.COM (David Gerulski)
Subject: Los Gatos Creek Trail
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:02:15 GMT

Howdee,

Does anyone Know the distance of the Los Gatos Creek trail?

Both the trail from the bridge op one side of the damn and
down the other and back to the bridge and from the bridge 
over the right side of the damn up the big hill to the power
pole andover the trail to the beauty salon?

Thanks 
dave
gerulski@redbrick.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: yserrano@us.oracle.com (Yonson Serrano)
Subject: Re: ISO FAQ
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:04:17 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

The next updated FAQ should come out sometime after the 15th of the
month. In the meantime if you would like a copy of the existing version,
please send me  email at:

yserrano@us.oracle.com

If there are enough requests I will repost. You should also be able to
find a copy of the FAQ in news.answers. I'm missing the exact info here,
but I am quite sure someone has set up an automated server to send out
FAQ's on any newsgroup. Check news.answers for exact info.

Yonson Serrano
Rec.running FAQ maintainer

-- 
                              Yonson Serrano
                          yserrano@us.oracle.com

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