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Subject: Re: Maryland schedule
From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:41:46 -0500
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Organization: Vitro Corporation

In article <4468@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>Maryland men's basketball schedule:
>...
>Jan 19	Oklahoma << Baltimore Arena >>		8
>...

As a Terp fan, I find it really annoying that they play football/basketball
games in Baltimore. It's purely political -- the Baltimore Arena is an AWFUL
gym for basketball. I think Billy "Bucktooth" Tubbs would really hate Cole
Field House; at the arena, I think he'll hardly notice.

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: thoughts
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:29:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Aug12.112956.19940
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Aug12.084237.9493@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>*YAWN*
>might slow on this group.....
>
>by the way, how about that Shaq? Pretty good for a player who will never be
>a star until he learns to shoot freethorws, no? Pretty good for someone
>who cant shoot from beyond 3 feet? Pretty good for someone who too slow?
>Not bad for a player not as good as Laettner? Yep, I guess they gave him 
>40 million+ in the hopes that ONE future day he will be good--being that he
>is nothing but raw talent right now and didnt learn anything from Brown.
>Golly gee! What must have Orlando have been thinking? Obviously they were not
>paying attention to the experts on this rec group?
>
>what a waste of 40 million!
>
>pinhead

Oh, guys.  Won't you please let me play with you?  I'm so bored...

Roy, you need to come up with a new angle.  This Laettner-Shaq thing is
so old, that only real idiots like Steve and myself will even bother to
respond to your pitiful attempt at reviving an old and useless thread.

Why aren't you hyping up LSU and Dale Brown for the '92-'93 season?  Now
that they have no stars, they ought to do better than expected and make
the final four.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Alabama self-defense
Organization: ^$
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:16:45 GMT

In article <Bt6nIA.HAt@apollo.hp.com> stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
>
>Well, NOW I understand.
>
>Former Alabama basketball coach Wimp Sanderson's detailed explanation of the black-eye                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>incident with his female assistant in the team organization goes a long in revealing 
>                                                 -stuart@apollo.hp.com
>

  Just what was his detailed explanation?


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Subject: Re: Indiana graduation rate
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:56:16 GMT

In article <19199@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} In article <BsJ288.I3w@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>}} 
>}}    I just heard that a recent NCAA investigation into graduation rates found
>}} that at Indiana University, "student-athletes" are graduating at a rate
>}} somewhat higher than that of the general student population.  No kidding,
>}} honest!
>
>I don't find this surprising.  At most institutions, this is the case
>(especially state schools).  After you factor in forced study
>sessions, special tutors, easier majors, etc., it isn't too surprising
>that athletes have a higher graduation rate than the student
>population as a whole.
>
>As I recall, most freshmen classes suffer an attrition of about 50%,
>

   Where it will really look bad of course is if you compare the graduation
rates of student atheletes who spend 4 or 5 years there with teh graduation
rates of regular students who spend 4 or 5 years.


>sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
>                      I won one game, three to two, too.
>
>                  I meant what I said, and said what I meant.
>           An elephant's faithful, one hundred percent. (Dr. Seuss)


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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Alabama self-defense
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:14:25 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) wrote:
}
}Well, NOW I understand.
}
}Former Alabama basketball coach Wimp Sanderson's detailed 
}explanation of the black-eye 
}incident with his female assistant in the team organization 
}goes a long in revealing 
}just how unjustly former Alabama football coach Bear Bryant 
}was treated after he tried
}to defend himself from a player on an opposing team who 
}was obviously behaving in a
}hysterical manner by actually trying to walk off the 
}field at the end of a game.

Are you on some sort of bad acid?  Bear Bryant was never involved in
anything like this.  You are thinking of Woody Hayes, who coached 
a bit further north and probably never even met Wimp Sanderson.

-- 
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"What kind of creator makes artichokes and 200,000 species of fruit fly? 
 If I'd been in charge of creation, I'd have made lasers - 8 AM, day one."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Stanford 1992-93 Schedule
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:50:48 GMT


The game at Virginia (and, possibly, one or two good games in the Maui
tournament) are the only blemishes on a very weak non-conference
schedule.

Is Howard a division I program?  I'm pretty sure that Sac'to State
isn't, nor the mighty Puget Sound.  (Cliff?)

Also, it's sad to see that Apple Computers has withdrawn its support
from Stanford hoops, to be replaced by Fry's, the chips supermarket.


Nov	Thu 19	  Blue & Gold Fleet (AAU)
	Mon 23	  New Zealand Nationals
Dec	Wed 2	  U of Puget Sound
	Thu 3	@ San Jose State
	Sat 5	@ Virginia
	Sat 12	  Sacramento State
	Sat 19	  Howard
	Mon 21	*	\ / Maui Invitational (in Hawaii):
	Tue 22	*	 X  BYU, Chaminade, DePaul, Duke,
	Wed 23	*	/ \ LSU, Memphis State, Oklahoma
	Mon 28		\/ Fry's Invitational (at Stanford):
	Tue 29		/\ American U, Ohio U, St. Mary's
Jan	Sat 2	  Santa Clara
	Thu 7	  Oregon State			START PAC-10 SEASON
	Sat 9	  Oregon
	Tue 12	  Notre Dame			(NON CONFERENCE)
	Thu 14	@ Cal
	Thu 21	@ UCLA
	Sat 23	@ USC
	Thu 28	  Washington State
	Sat 30	  Washington
Feb	Thu 4	@ Arizona
	Sat 6	@ Arizona State
	Sun 14	  Cal
	Thu 18	  UCLA
	Sat 20	  USC
	Thu 25	@ Washington
	Sat 27	@ Washington State
Mar	Thu 4	  Arizona State
	Sun 7	  Arizona
	Thu 11	@ Oregon
	Sat 13	@ Oregon State
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner-Timberlake
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:12:19 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <55766@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>A "physical game"? Since when is stepping on a fallen player intentionally
>considered a physical play? It was a cheap shot, plain and simple. 

  Perhaps the wrong term.  My point was that the Kentucky player issued a 
cheap shot as well, blindsiding Laettner and knocking him out of bounds.
Rather than blaming Kentucky "for starting it", I meant to say there had been
physical play earlier in the game, along the lines of elbows, hard picks,etc.
The shove may have been out of frustration for Laettner getting away with one
elbow too many, and the stomp was in retaliation for the shove.  Neither cheap
play (and both *were* cheap shots, I agree) was smart, but Kentucky got away
with theirs.  If Laettner wanted to get in a cheap shot, it was pretty dumb
of him to do it in a dead ball situation, with the refs looking.  When Kentucky
did it, it was still during play.  Anyway, Laettner should have just lumped
it, like he did vs UConn the previous year when Rod Sellers was using his head
for dribbling practice, instead of seeking revenge.

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm not angry.  I'm a delightful sort of person."--Bob Dylan
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner-Timberlake
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:46:19 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <4656@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>Certainly.  I just found it amusing that so many people chose to focus on the
>stomp as the critical play of the game and as an indictment of Christian
>Laettner, when lots of other hoopsters play a physical game as well.

A "physical game"? Since when is stepping on a fallen player intentionally
considered a physical play? It was a cheap shot, plain and simple. 
Throwing an elbow while rebounding is physical play, throwing one just
to hit somebody is cheap. There is a part of a game where elbows are
normal occurrences, but stepping on somebody intentionally is never
part of a game.




Russ Smith
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Indiana graduation rate
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:46:52 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Aug12.174727.12524@rtsg.mot.com> merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin) writes:
>Gary Beason writes:
>>>Lets face it a lot of people drop out of college that aren't athletes and
>>>nobody complains. Its grad rates for athletes that take all the heat,
>>>Russ Smith
>
>There are two things about this entire situation that aggravates me:
>
>1) I have posted this before, I will post it again. I challenge any school
>to compare graduation rates of students who remain at school 4 years with 
>those of athletes. Most people who drop out of school do so after their
>freshman year rather than after their senior year.
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, its hard to justify dropping out AFTER your senior year after
you've already got that darn degree.

>
>Teresa


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From: jonms@watson.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: A Look Ahead at the ACC: Maryland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:42:57 GMT
Reply-To: jonms@pi.watson.ibm.com ()
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <4620@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:

> PREDICTION: 9th place, ACC
> TRIVIA QUESTION:  In what year did Maryland win their only ACC championship?
> 
  1984, led by sophomore Lenny Bias.

  Thanks for posting all the UMd info for those of us in the ACC hinterlands.

  Jon
From: xde@xtxde.UUCP (Dave Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: thoughts
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:24:43 CDT
Organization: Not

In article <1992Aug12.084237.9493@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
> *YAWN*
> might slow on this group.....
> 
> by the way, how about that Shaq? Pretty good for a player who will never be
> a star until he learns to shoot freethorws, no? Pretty good for someone
> who cant shoot from beyond 3 feet? Pretty good for someone who too slow?
> Not bad for a player not as good as Laettner? 
			^^  ^^  ^^ ^^  ^^^ ^^

Are you kidding me?? If these two match up this season, Shaq will eat him for
a small before lunch snack... I'll admit O'Neil has to work on his shots, but
c'mon...

> pinhead
> 

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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: Indiana graduation rate
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:47:27 GMT

Gary Beason writes:
>
>>Lets face it a lot of people drop out of college that aren't athletes and
>>nobody complains. Its grad rates for athletes that take all the heat,
>>although they're doing as well or better, and in many cases doing so with
>>the lure of big bucks right in front of them.
>>
>>Russ Smith
>
>I think the only thing that really aggravates people is the idea of
>student-athletes with scholarships who don't graduate.

There are two things about this entire situation that aggravates me:

1) I have posted this before, I will post it again. I challenge any school
to compare graduation rates of students who remain at school 4 years with 
those of athletes. Most people who drop out of school do so after their
freshman year rather than after their senior year.

Probably an even more fair comparision would be between athletes and students
who did not have to work for their tuition money (through parents, grants, or
whatever).

I believe that you would not be able to come up with as many students from
the entire student body, who had attended class full time for four years, 
with less progress toward graduation than the number of atletes in the same
position, at almost any University.

2) The other thing that aggravates me is the fact that every time admission
standards or prop 48 arises in a conversation, some one has to say that 
doing this would deny the right of a higher education to underprivledged
minority students.

No one seems to care about the underprivledged minority student with grades
good enough to qualify for admission (even under prop 48), but who happens
to have no athletic talent whatsoever,

Teresa
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.football.college
From: creps@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Hoosiers mailing list
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:11:42 GMT


   The Indiana Hoosiers mailing list I proposed a couple of weeks ago has
been created.  Below is the tentative charter for this list.


			HOOSIERS

	The Hoosiers mailing list is intended for those "expatriate"
("ex-state-riate?") Hoosiers who want to try to keep up with goings-on
back home in Indiana.  Hoosiers still in Bloomington are certainly
welcome also (after all, _somebody_ has to be around to confirm those 
rumors), as are any other IU fans, friends, and family out in Netland.

	Topics of discussion will probably include mostly IU football and
basketball.  Other discussion of Indiana University traditions (such as
Little 500) and major IU news events (such as the Student Building fire),
is also welcome.  When making submissions to the list, please remember
that mailing lists can tend to become quite high-volume.  I would like to
keep this list fairly low-volume, and so for the most part would like to
limit the discussion to queries, news, and announcements.  Topics such as
"Who do you think was the all-time best IU x-ball player?", etc. are not
forbidden, but please remember that they can tend to cause lots of
traffic, which in this case (a mailing list) will be filling up people's
actual mailboxes.

	To submit a message to the mailing list, send e-mail to
hoosiers@silver.ucs.indiana.edu.  The Hoosiers mailing list is
maintained by Steve Creps.  To subscribe, unsuscribe, or make an
administrative request send e-mail to creps@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu.

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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner-Timberlake
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:31:06 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <4673@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
|> In article <55766@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
|> 
|> >A "physical game"? Since when is stepping on a fallen player intentionally
|> >considered a physical play? It was a cheap shot, plain and simple. 
|> 
|>   Perhaps the wrong term.  My point was that the Kentucky player issued a 
|> cheap shot as well, blindsiding Laettner and knocking him out of bounds.

I still have a "real" problem believing little Richie Farmer (all 5'11" of him)
could do any type of physical damage to Christian Laettner no matter what the 
situation (pause) unless of course Laettner was laying on the floor and little
Richie stomped on him (rimshot!!!!!)


|> Rather than blaming Kentucky "for starting it", I meant to say there had been
|> physical play earlier in the game, along the lines of elbows, hard picks,etc.
|> The shove may have been out of frustration for Laettner getting away with one
|> elbow too many, and the stomp was in retaliation for the shove.  Neither cheap
|> play (and both *were* cheap shots, I agree) was smart, but Kentucky got away
|> with theirs.  If Laettner wanted to get in a cheap shot, it was pretty dumb
|> of him to do it in a dead ball situation, with the refs looking.  When Kentucky
|> did it, it was still during play.  Anyway, Laettner should have just lumped
|> it, like he did vs UConn the previous year when Rod Sellers was using his head
|> for dribbling practice, instead of seeking revenge.
|> 
|> Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
|> 	"I'm not angry.  I'm a delightful sort of person."--Bob Dylan

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Looking for AAU news
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:25:25 GMT

  A Wisconsin-based AAU team played in a national tournament recently and
  did pretty well. Players on the team included Wisconsin recruits Otto
  McDuffie and Greg Timmerman, Utah recruit Terry Preston, Vanderbuilt
  recruit Frank Seckar and a couple other notable players.

  My question is did anyone see this team play any games and did they get
  any impressions from it? Does anyone know much about these players in
  general? I graduated from McDuffie's Rufus King high in Milwaukee in '84
  and know that he's a decent player, but have my doubts that he'll be
  very effective in the Big 10. I'm hoping that Timmerman isn't another
  big white stiff in Badgerland.

  Any comments appreciated,  

  --salty
From: KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Maryland schedule
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:32:24 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Aug14.104147.224@v7.vitro.com>, mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J.
Zwick) says:
>
>In article <4468@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>>Maryland men's basketball schedule:
>>...
>>Jan 19 Oklahoma << Baltimore Arena >>          8
>>...
>
>As a Terp fan, I find it really annoying that they play football/basketball
>games in Baltimore. It's purely political -- the Baltimore Arena is an AWFUL
>gym for basketball. I think Billy "Bucktooth" Tubbs would really hate Cole
>Field House; at the arena, I think he'll hardly notice.
>
   As a Terp fan who lives in Baltimore, I think it is great that they are
playing at the Arean, and like it would have made a differnce last year if MD
had played the football game against PSU at Byrd stadium.  The UofM is going to
have to start reaching out to Baltimore if it is going to become a top 20
program in the revenue sports.  It's a shame that G'town in basketball and PSU
in football get the best Baltimore talent!  The game in Baltimore is a move on
Gary Williams' part to try to open the recruiting doors in Baltimore that Lefty
shut a few years back.  Keith Booth is a senior at Dunbar in B'more who is
seriously looking at MD.  He is a top flight player, and hopefully this game
will be a good catalyst.  The Bullets play four games a year in B'more, which
all sell out, and if the Bullets can sell out, I am sure Maryland can.
People who live in the College Park area have to realize that us Baltimoreans
are Maryland fans also.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: thoughts
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:47:32 GMT

navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:

>*YAWN*
>might slow on this group.....

>by the way, how about that Shaq?...

Get this pro garbage out of our pristine "college" group.  Shaq is old news.
We only deal in amateurs (sic) here, unlike those heathens in the "pro" and
"misc" perversions.

P.S. Dale Brown can't coach.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: Re: South Carolina recruiting
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:47:06 GMT


This isn'nt recruiting info but I did see something about a USC player who had
a heart problem (Rhett ?) being cleared medically to play.
RC
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: thoughts
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:26:06 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Distribution: rec
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Aug12.084237.9493@talon.ucs.orst.edu>, navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre) writes:
>Pretty good for a player who will never be a star until he learns 
>to shoot freethorws, no?

AAACK! WHOOMPH! (since T-Bone ain't here no more........)

>Yep, I guess they gave him 40 million+ in the hopes that ONE future day he
> will be 

Of course, a high-price salary is always a good indicator of NBA success, 
much like that all-star Danny Ferry.  Come back and woof when Shaq is rookie
of the year or something, OK?

  
Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm not angry.  I'm a delightful sort of person."--Bob Dylan