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From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Sys 7.0 bombs on boot. Why?
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:08:03 GMT

johore@teal.csn.org (John Orendt) writes:
: Hi 
: 
: I'm trying to Upgrade from sys 6.0.7 to Sys 7.0. I don't get 
: any errors during the installation of sys 7.0 or when I do 
: the sys 7. tuneup. When I boot up I get system error "finder" 
: bad f-line instruction or if I hold down the shift key 
: (causing extensions not to load) while booting I get system 
: error "finder" illegal instruction. Amazingly, the booting 
: process completes successfully if I lock the disk before 
: booting. I think the error occurs while the system is trying 
: to rebuild the desktop for some reason unknown to me. 
: Unfortunately, there is not much I can do with a locked disk!
: 
: I have a Mac II with no internal hard drive and two 800k 
: floppy drives, an 11" apple B/W monitor with 8 Megs ram and 
: an AST286 card installed. My hard drive is an almost new 
: removable media Bernoulli Dual 90 Pro which I boot from. I 
: have no problems with system 6.0.7 except for my FaxSTF 
: software bombing randomly when sending faxes (some times it 
: works sometimes it don't) which is why I'm trying to upgrade 
: to sys 7.0. 
: 

It sounds like you need to install 7.0 compatible drivers for the drive.
I have seen problems like this on old hard drives.

Good Luck,
Greg.

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From: tims@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Changing HD icons?
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:55:56 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

One of the guys work with has been trying to change his Hard Disk icon 
under system 7.0.1, but to no avail.  I've had him turn off file sharing, 
reboot with all extensions off, but still no luck.  Does anyone know of a 
trick to enable icon changing?  Aside from using ReEdit, is there another 
way for simple copy-and-paste icon changing?

Thanks,

Tim Seydel
tims@bvc.edu
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From: kvd@yourMailHost.edu (Karen Van Dusen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Wanted: AD module like Darkside's Kaos
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:35:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Duke University
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b3@news.cs.duke.edu

Does anyone have an After Dark module that gives a display like Kaos in
Darkside?  This display is also like the "flame" option in xlock, for
those of you that use X.

I own both After Dark and More After Dark, and have taken a look
through some of modules on umich, but haven't spotted what I'm looking
for.

-Karen

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Karen Van Dusen                           (919) 660-6917
Macintosh Systems Specialist              kvd@acpub.duke.edu
Duke University
From: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Where are folder icons stored?
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:32:44 GMT
Reply-To: ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX

I've checked IM I-VI, and there doesn't seem to be an easy answer.

I made a custom icon for my System Folder (the blessed folder) using
ResEdit, and cut and paste and it looks okay, except that the system
seems to have picked up the icl4 icon rather than the icl8 icon to use.

I see in IMM VI that file custom icons are stored in the resouce fork
with a particular resouce ID number, but it doesn't say boo about where
the picture or Icon resources are kept for folders!

Since folders are also files (generally) there is obviously some way for
the system itself to potentially open the resouce fork of a folder file,
but ResEdit doesn't seem to want to play with the custom icons attached
to a folder (heck, it won't even admit to haveing any concept of the
folder being a file! Recent version 2.1.?)

I've played around a bit with Norton Disk Editor and SUM II (its
predecessor) and can't seem to locate the bit patterns or resources on
disk even!   (I know the file # for the folder file, but the disk
editors don't provide a linkage to the blocks of the file from the file
definition!

So, are the custom Icons for a folder stored in the resouce fork of the
folder file?   Are they stored in the desktop databases?   I'm sure they
are not in System or Finder!
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From: jerry@uni-paderborn.de (Gerald Siek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Quadra-950 freezes up. Any answers?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:28:59 GMT
Organization: University of Paderborn, Germany
Reply-To: jerry@uni-paderborn.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: planck-bb.uni-paderborn.de
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

massey@travis.llnl.gov wrote:
: Does anyone know why quitting an application would cause a quadra-950 to 
: freeze up? It doesn't seem to be application specific, almost any app. can 
: randomly cause it to happen. The problem seems to be indifferent to which 
: inits are loaded or if the processor cache is on. Virtual memory is off and 
: 32-bit addressing is enabled. I've also seen the same machine freeze up just 
: as a result of mouse activity but this is much more rare.

I've encountered a similar problem a few weeks ago.  My 950 sometimes hangs
for about 20-30 seconds, sometimes when quitting applications, always when
working with my compiler (THINK C).  The problem does not occur after
booting with shift key down.   Have you tried this?   I have already re-
installed the system, toggled all parameters like VM, cache etc. and removed
all INITs and CPs.   I'm not sure whether this could be a new virus or just
one of those nice new Quadra features.

	Jerry
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: hans@smab.se (Hans C Larsson)
Subject: Re: SuperClock 4.0.1 oddities.
Organization: Saab Missiles AB, RLD-Gbg, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:55:57 GMT

A.G.Poole@newcastle.ac.uk (Alex Poole) writes:


>Hmmm.. you think you've got problems...
>I've got two separate copies of SC 4.0.1, from two sites, one in .cpt and one .sit.
>Both display the same behaviour:

>On a Mac Plus 4MB, 52MB external drive...
>SC crashes on startUp (Unimplemented trap)
>If opened when not installed (ie not present at startUp, but opened from disk later), 
>the main window is opened, but clicking on any of the settings crashes with the same error.

Same symptoms on a SE 4/20 with 7.1, haven't tested any other
machines yet.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: PICT to Quicktime
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:43:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.150131.216213@bmug.org>, David_B._Hauer@bmug.org
wrote:
> 
> >Is there an application out there that will let me make
> >movies from PICT files?
> 
> Adobe Premiere will do this, and I think the latest version of Macromedia
> Director will, also.

Some of us would like to do QT without having to shell out so much
bucks. For the original poster's benefit, there's a application out
that takes a series of picts and makes a QT movie out of them called
PICTs to Movie by David Rees. I haven't tried it yet, and I think I
borrowed it from sumex-aim.stanford.edu.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Two things they could improve in System 7
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:13:18 GMT

Okay, maybe it's not that simple. When I was referring tothe "emptying
trash" dialog, I was referring to the one _after_ the "Do you want to
trash them now?" dialog: the one with the thermometer and spiffy countdown
for files as they go screaming into the void. Instead of my "verbose
empty" check box (which probably confused people further) just set the
original one to kill _both_ dialogs.

Jay (=

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Two System Folders
From: marc@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo)
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:02:26 PST
Organization: California State University, Fresno

System Switcher 1.1 was *designed* to work with foreign systems.  My version
(that I know longer use actually came with instuctions that were in Japanese.
Apperently System Switcher was used before the system 7 days to change between
English and Kanji systems.

Marc.
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From: aschked@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (David Aschkenasy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: ?? on new macs and 7.1
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:10:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

Hello all.
	I ordered a IIvx in the begining of Jan. It won't arrive until the 
    middle of Feb. I have two questions; hopefully someone can answer them.

	    1. Whats this I here about new Macs on Feb. 10? Will they be faster,
	stronger, cooler, better, cheaper than my shiny new vx? I paid $2600
	for the vx 5/80 1M VRAM CD-ROM. This price was with an edu discount.
	Should I not take delivery on my vx?

	2. Does system 7.1 cripple macs? should I instal 7.0.1 on my new mac?


		Thanks in advance,
		David Aschkenasy
		aschked@storm.cs.orst.edu
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Command Keys in 7.1.  What happened?
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:07:49 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1jngpgINNlia@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, jxj24@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan
Jacobs) wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, Apple -- what gives?
> 
> Why have you changed the way command keys are interpreted in 7.1?
> You've mucked around with the "option" key and have screwed me up.
> I mean, I can understand not differentiating between "a" and "A", since
> that would be pretty confusing, but I don't really think that "option-A"
> should be the same as "a" (or "shift-a").  
> 
> I really liked being able to assign command-option-whatever to a menu
> selection in the Finder.  Now I can't do this.  Booo!  And for this I
> paid $30?
> 
> So how can I hack the option filter out?  There must be some bytes to
> null away somewhere in your code to remove the option equivalence, right?
> 
> I await your reply with palpable eagerness.  Right.

Jon,

With an attitude like this, you are sure inspire all Apple people to
answer your question.

NOT!

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: yama@muras1.waseda.ac.jp (Mr. Hayato YAMANA)
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk -- how to get it?
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: muras1.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp
Reply-To: yama@muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp
Organization: Muraoka Lab., Electric and Communication , School of Science and
	Engineering, WASEDA University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:15:57 GMT


In article <1k7u94INNo6e@pith.uoregon.edu> srussell@cie.uoregon.edu (Steven Russell) writes:

|A colleague of mine is interested in running KanjiTalk on her Mac
|IIsi.  Is KanjiTalk commercial software, or is it distributed in the
|same way as the U.S. version of System software?  What is the most
|current version available?  Any help would be gladly received.

Yes, Kanjitalk is the system software distributed by apple Japan.
The current version of Kanjitalk is 7 called "KanjiTalk7", which
is based on system7.1.

"KanjiTalk7" includes eight kinds of  japanese true type font.
Thus, "KanjiTalk7" is distributed by CD-ROM.
The floppy version of "KanjiTalk7" also exits, but has only two
kinds of japanese true type font.

I think you can buy kanjiTalk7 from Apple in U.S.A.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: Interface disimprovement: A simple no would suffice
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:19:16 GMT

antjcb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (J.C.Burns) writes:


>I'm annoyed. Darn annoyed. First one upgrade, then another after another has switched to the 'Save/Don't save' form of standard dialog box, replacing
>the simple, clear, 'Yes/No/Cancel.' So at first I had a special Quickey
>for just those buttons...but then I discovered that SOME developers use
>'Don't Save' (the S capitalized), some use the smart quote apostrophe...as
>a result I have about six Quickeys that do one function--tell the Mac
>that NO, I do not want to save anything. Wouldn't a simple 'No' have
>sufficed? This is one place where the Apple User interface gurus have
>overthought this one, big time. Just say 'No'!

I didn't like that change at first, but now I really hate the old style!
If the buttons read "Save"/"Don't Save", then I can quickly look at the 
buttons and decide what to do, if it reads "Yes"/"No", I have to
scan the entire alert *and* make the decision as to exactly what yes and
no mean.  Few things bother me more than a dialog that reads "Ok to ignore
changes"? "Yes"/"no" (The game Risk comes to mind)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: PTRN@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Das bin ja ich!)
Subject: Re: Two System Folders
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:34:39 GMT

In article <0105010A.o38mth@salient.com>
HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software) writes:
 
>
>In article <1993Jan16.232022.182641@ultramac.uucp> (comp.sys.mac.system), Raphael_Figueroa@ultramac.uucp writes:
>|JI> I am trying to run Japanese system 7.1 on my pb170. I also want to
>|JI> keep my english system. I tried partitioning my drive into two
>|JI> partitions hoping that I could use change startup disk to change
>|JI> which system started up. Change startup highlights both partitions
>|JI> and always boots the first partition. Is there an elegant way, or a
>|JI> "proper" way to run two systems off of the same hard disk?
>|JI>
>|JI> Thanks in advance.
>|JI>
>|JI>  - Joichi Ito
>|
>|Yes. Get a copy of System Switcher(latest version that I know of is 1.1)
>|It works like wonders, I switch from 6.0.8L to 7.1 often(for testing reasons)
>|without any problems.
>|
>
>SystemSwitcher doesn't recognize the non-english systems.
>
Sorry, I use it with system 6.0.7 and 7.0, both german. It works.
From: wingo@apple.com (Tony Wingo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: memory configuration crisis!
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:16:01 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1993Jan25.151304.216245@bmug.org>, David_B._Hauer@bmug.org
wrote:
> 
>  >Look at the available memory+system memory
> >and you will see that it adds up to 20megs.
> 
> We're all so used to hearing this question that several people failed to
> notice an important anomaly: the original post indicated that the ci had 20
> megs of RAM, and that with 32-bit addressing off, the system occupied nearly
> 16 megs of memory. If this is true, something strange is going on.The 24-bit
> limitation should bloat the system up to 12 megs, but not more. 
> 
> Anyone have further suggestions?

No.  It works out just fine.  I missed his original post, but lets assume
his system (including disk cache and RAM disk) takes up 4 MB under 32-bit
addressing - not unusual if you run lots of  extentions. When he switches
to 24-bit addressing, he now has 12 MB of unaddressable memory.  THe "About
This Mac" dialog lumps this in with his existing system allocation to give
4MB + 12MB = 16MB.

-tony

>>usual disclaimer<<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ptrubey@netcom.com (Phil Trubey)
Subject: Re: Wierd tones on Mac power up: freezing.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:51:05 GMT

In article <8334@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> briand@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM writes:
>>There are, as I understand it, four sets of startup tones for the Mac. The
>>one we hear everyday is the "hello I'm fine" tone.  The others are versions 
>>of the "Gawd help me I'm dieing" tones.  Guess which one you've got...
>>
>>Those last 3 tones are (I'm stretching my memory a bit here) for bad high RAM,
>>bad low RAM, and bad hardware.  There's an app at sumex that'll play the tunes
>>and tell you what they mean.
>>
>>I'm not 100% on the meaning of the tones but they do mean you're in trouble.
>
>Since the original poster mentioned he was using TimesTwo, it seems that there
>might be a place to start looking. Try disconnecting the hard disk drive and
>booting from a floppy. Do you get the tone then?

The original poster replies...

I feel *really* silly now.  I had forgotten that I had just gotten my Mac
back from the repair show before I installed TimesTwo and started having
all these problems.  My motherboard got swapped at the repair shop (how
the heck did I forget that as a possible complicating factor??).

Anyways, it sure sounds to me now that I have some loose SIMMs that are
a result of my new motherboard install.  Thanks to all that
replied to my posting.  It helped!
-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cmhaar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Chris Haar)
Subject: Re: IIsi sound problem
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:57:56 GMT

In article <1k3p1eINNo4d@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, rugger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
(Pam Miller) wrote:
> I then tried
> 	to hook up headphones and they seemed to work although the
> 	sound only comes out one side. Shouldn't it come out both?
> 	I thought the IIsi had stereo output.  The beeps that the 
> 	Mac generates come out both channels but games (such as Hellcats)
> 	only come out one side...The sound also has some static sometimes.

Hellcats only comes out of one channel for me, too, and I have had only one
 sound problem (vide infra), other than those caused by 2 MB of INIT/CDEV
madness.  The only other game I have tried my headphones on was Maelstrom. 
While it might not have been in stereo, the sound definitely came out of
both channels (Just because you get sound out of both channels doesn't mean
it's stereo!).  I'm not sure the si *automatically* gives you stereo in any
case.  There may be some software one needs in order to use the stereo
capabilities; I've never been curious enough to find out (though I wouldn't
spurn any offers of information on the subject).

> 	Any theories as to what happened? I know the IIsi has some 
> 	speaker problems.

As in the startup chime being truncated on choosing "Restart"?  Or
sometimes not even sounding? (Maybe unrelated, but it still annoys me.)

> A repair place here in town was telling me that 
> I probably have a bad sound chip and that it would be $250 to fix it.

Buyer Beware!  Always get a second opinion!  Never trust anyone who stands
to make a profit from your misfortune!  And on, and on...You get the idea.

Good luck.

cmh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dbtdxc@ARCO.COM (David Chapin)
Subject: Re: Changing HD icons?
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:57:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.095556.3309@peanut>, tims@bvc.edu writes:
> One of the guys work with has been trying to change his Hard Disk icon 
> under system 7.0.1, but to no avail.  I've had him turn off file sharing, 
> reboot with all extensions off, but still no luck.  Does anyone know of a 
> trick to enable icon changing?  Aside from using ReEdit, is there another 
> way for simple copy-and-paste icon changing?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Seydel
> tims@bvc.edu

Try this: 1) create an icon and assign it to a file or folder (there are
many ways to do this); 2) select file or folder and do "Get Info" on it;
3) go to the upper left corner of the "Get Info" window and click on the icon;
4) "Copy" the icon; 5) do a "Get Info" on your HD; 6) click on the icon in the
HD "Get Info" window; 7) "Paste" to the icon. This should replace the HD icon 
with a copy of your new icon. Works for me.

  David Chapin
  dbtdxc@er.arco.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bonnell@dgp.toronto.edu (Michael Bonnell)
Subject: Mac Passwords (ARA, IP Tunnelling)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:50:50 GMT

I would like to ask the Net how to maintain and distribute Mac passwords
throughout and internet of Macs.  I tried using aliases to a server's Users
and Groups file but of course it doesn't work.  Each mac has an owner, so
coping the U & G file doesn't work either.

We have a several labs (connected via a GatorBox IP tunnel) with a total of
40 macs on ethernet and appletalk all running system 7.  If we open our net
to the world via ARA, FTPd, more tunnels, and slip access, some security is
required.

It seems to me that a user should be able to change his or her password
while sitting at any mac or having connected to any mac.  The problem then,
is how to take notice of, and distribute this change.

any suggestions, thoughts, anecdotes?

-Michael
Organization: Valencia Uiversity (Universitat de Valencia) SPAIN
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:29:35 EST
From: Werenfried Spit <SPIT@EVALUN11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Duplicate File does not work. Help wanted.

Hello,
Since a few days I am no longer able to duplicate files. The Duplicate
File item in the finders file menu is permanently disabled.
I'm running system 7.0.1 (spanish version) + tuneup on an LC.
As I first suspected speedyfinder to cause the problem (I have it about
as long as the problem) I removed that, but it is not that, nor do any
of the other cdevs/inits I use seem to have anything to do with it.

Any suggestions on where to look or what to try are welcome.

Thanks.
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  Universitat de Valencia               spit@evalun11.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: SuperClock 4.0.1 oddities.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:59:23 GMT

I went to SuperClock 4.0.2, and it *still* does not chime N times on the hour,
where N is the o'clock.

Tin.