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From: dcu@aifh.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Womens U21 results
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:31:32 GMT
Reply-To: dcu@aifh.ed.ac.uk ()
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

Hullo People,
	Incase anyone out there is interested the final placings of the teams
in the recent European Nations Cup (womens U21) held at Crammond in Edinburgh
(Scotland UK) are as follows:

Germany
Netherlands
Spain
England
Scotland
Ireland
C I S
France

With respect to the world U21s in Spain...
Germany and the Netherlands have already qualified, Spain qualifies 
automatically as the host. England and Scotland now qualify as a result of
their placings at this competition.

Point of interest: Germany beat the Netherlands 2:1 in the final on a PF
with 14 seconds on the clock!

If anyone is _really_ interested I could be persuaded to type in all the
group results, or the final placings scores or whatever?

Special thanks to Richard who refused to post this for me and has forced
me to final make a posting myself!

Daniel.
From: kslate@MtHolyoke.edu (Kevin D. Slate)
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:05:22 GMT


So you're not a Montreal Fan, so what, you don't seem to have the guts
to tell us who you do like.....why are they that bad?

Yes we do make the playoffs every year....something to be said about
that.

You're right Ray Bourque is the best defenseman in the league and we have
him....not you, who ever you follow.

Don't have a team to compete with the rest of the league...92-93 hasn't
even started yet and you make statements like this....I wonder who the
moron is who would make this statement.


A Bruins Fan....and proud of it!!!!!
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN-it's about time
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:01:22 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Sep3.204950.13180@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>However, the exposure cannot be measured in dollars and Warren would
>be right there ... consider not only ticket sales in the 16 American
>cities but also the extra neutral sites, and on top of that souvenirs.

Agreed.
Don't forget a $3 hot-dog and a $4 small cup of beer,or something outrageously
close to it, which some of the teams that operate their own concessions 
charge at the home arenas. The Bruins' parent company,Delware North out of
Buffalo,NY, actually has a concessions division which not suprisingly
operates all food&beverage stands at the Boston Garden.

-Mark
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Subject: Sharks vs. Kings at Arco Arena?
From: dickman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bob Dickman)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 22:52:45 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: California State University, Chico

Has anyone heard anything about this game?  Tickets? When? How much?

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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Re: History of British (Ice!) Hockey
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:14:21 GMT

steve@cs.hw.ac.uk (Steven Salvini) writes:

>Well, that was last season - now the BIHA have dropped the time a
>player must play/live in the UK to qualify as "British" (5 years) and I
>dread to think how many Canadians will be eligible for this year's
>World Championships :-(

I'm not sure I got this right - do you mean that one does not have to have
UK citizenship to be eligible for the British national team? Or is it just
that it is very easy for foreign athletes to get a UK passport?

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From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Penguins' training camp/2
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:57:49 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I forgot to mention a few things.  First, I got to see the new logo on
their practice jerseys.  It looks absolutely pathetic.

The new logo now graces center ice.  (Or should I say, it now grosses
center ice?) It looks funny there, too.  It's just the penguin.  No
mention of Pittsburgh or Penguins.  It's very stark. In two corners of
the neutral zone we now have the Stanley Cup anniversary logo.  Gone are
the words, "It's a great day for hockey -Badger Bob", which were put
there after Bob Johnson passed away.  I heard they're going to be
replaced with this:  "I'll do it for another $50,000. -Scotty Bowman." 
:) :) :)

The banners from last year look funny, too.  They're wrinkled.  I don't
know what they're made out of, but they should be pressed or something.
(Although if you would have seen them being raised the FIRST time you
would know the arena crew probably doesn't want to have to do it again,
except for the new one, of course!)

The ice looked very bad.  The Zamboni wasn't working well, either, so it
may have been that rather than the ice itself.  Or maybe they want the
ice to look "fuzzy" so we can't see the logo too well!

Mom.
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From: urjm5@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Richard Macturk)
Subject: Background on Mike Peluso
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.sports.hockey
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:42:32 GMT

The subject says it all.  Does anyone know where he played his
amateur hockey, College or Junior. I know he's from Pengilly,
Minnesota, but know nothing of his amateur background. 

Thanx,
Rick MacTurk

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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Hawks: London Calling 
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:45:42 GMT


The Blackhawks are getting ready for a two-game exhibition series set for 
Saturday and Sunday against the Montreal Canadiens in London.

On the transactions front yesterday, defenseman Keith Brown signed a two-year 
contract with an option for a third. Brown, 32, will be paid $600,000 per season.

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From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Subject: Re: Best Forwards Ever
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:06:57 GMT
	<1992Sep11.144424.15966@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>
	<1992Sep11.180519.14939@venus.ic.cmc.ca>
	<1992Sep11.193002.24262@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>


91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

>>also well known.  Just a dirty player ... come on!  Gordie wasn't above the
>>odd cheap shot, but his scoring and leadership abilities should still rank
>>him among the all-time greats in anyone's book.

>The "odd cheap shot"?  Gordie Howe was probably the toughest player in the
>history of the game.  He got all those points because people stayed out of
>his way.  Some would argue that that is the most effective way to play the
>game, although one wonders why Don Cherry never sings the praises of
>Howe the way he does of Orr.  (but then who cares what Cherry says?)

Probably because Orr was Cherry's meal ticket for so many years.

Man, a guy slams Gordie Howe and Don Cherry in the same article - and
the guy's a Canadian, yet!  Unbelievable!  :-)

-- 
Murray
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From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Habs News
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:34:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


  The Habs are coming, the Habs are coming... the Montreal Canadiens left Mtl.
last night en route to their one-week British training camp,along with the 
Chicago Blackhawks. They took 25(?) players, basically the regulars from last
season plus Damphousse and Bellows. Patrik Kjellberg and Patrik Carnback also
made the trip, as well as Frederic Chabot, #3 goalie since J.C Bergeron is in
Tampa (1 game NHL experience--sigh...). Part-time Habs Paul DiPietro, Jesse
Belanger etc. from last year are at the Habs 'other' camp in Verdun, Quebec,
along with their '92 draftees (Valeri Bure, Keli Corpse, David Wilkie etc).
Surprisingly, 11th rounder Hiroyuki Miura, former Japanese National team goalie
is also attending the camp-I figured he would probably continue with the Japan
team.

   In other news, the Canadiens defenseman Lyle Odelein to 3 years for 1.2 mill$
, Odelein is 'tickled pink' at inking the deal.

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Patrick Emond   '...Odelein's got the puck behind his net, skates out... he's at
Concordia U.     center, picking up steam... into the Hawks zone splits the 
Montreal, Can.   defense puts a move on Belfour HE SCORES!!!!! Unbeleivable!'
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:23:50 GMT


In article <BuL3sy.AsA@mtholyoke.edu> kslate@MtHolyoke.edu (Kevin D. Slate) writes:
>Yes we do make the playoffs every year....something to be said about
>that.

Not to agree or disagree with the original poster, but the something
that has to be said is "Quebec", or maybe "Hartford". Also "Ottawa"
now.  I thought we were all agreed that making the NHL playoffs just
wasn't a big deal.

George

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS Training Camp Notes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:12:51 GMT

Center Ray Whitney did not scrimmage on Monday and will be given another day
off to rest his feet, which are recovering from off-season surgery to remove
bone spurs.  Defenseman Mike Colman (sprained shoulder), winger Don Barber
(sprained knee), and centers Mark Beaufait (dental problems) and Jeff McLean
(sprained ankle) were also scratched, but winger Petri Skriko returned to
practice after an examination of his left shoulder revealed no problems.

Defenseman Neil Wilkinson arrived yesterday, having been granted permission to
miss the start of the camp due to the death of a close friend in Manitoba,
but arrived too late to practice.

In scrimmage yesterday, Ed Courtenay scored 3 gaols to lead his team to a 7-5
win.  Dave Snuggerud, Jean-Francois Quintin, Johan Garpenlov, and Pat MacLeod
each added a goal for the winning team.  Mike Sullivan, Mikhail Kravets,
Skriko, Kelly Kisio, and Gord Frantti scored for the losing team.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
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From: rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Angelo Pleshar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens coaching situation
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:46:18 GMT
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

From Gary Patalsky:
>Now on to Scotty Bowman.  Why wouldn't he coach the Pens?  It was first
>reported that Scotty Bowman wanted too much money ($50,000 too much),
>but it has become obvious that his decision was not based solely on
>money.  I think that the players personal dislike of Bowman was the
>ultimate factor in him not wanting to coach the Pens again.  Bowman, who
>has stated on a couple of occasions that he would like to become the
>first NHL coach to reach the 1,000 win level, recently signed a 5 year
>contract containing an escape clause which would allow him to leave the
>Pens and coach another team. 

Is it just me or does the Penguins management look incredibly stupid for
not resigning Bowman for a measly $350,000? He's the winningest coach in
NHL history and he did the best possible job last year, when only a
repeat Stanley Cup victory would do. Maybe they tried to figure out
which made them look stupider:

1. Jerking Bowman around for $50,000 bucks after they've overpaid Oaf
Samuelsson (and now probably Barasso).
or
2. Actually admitting they don't want the winningest coach in NHL
history to coach their team because their whiny primadonna players don't
like him.
or, of course
3. something entirely different

I think it looks crappy no matter what the reason is.

Ralph
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From: kenl@idacom.hp.com (Ken Loo)
Subject: Re: Fickle Edmonton Fans(Was Re: Damphouse)
Reply-To: kenl@idacom.UUCP (Ken Loo)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 12:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.012100.29625@access.usask.ca> gerry@skatter.usask.ca writes:

>By biggest reason for disliking the Oiler franchise(rather than the players or
>team) is the fickleness of their fans. It really grinds on me that a city with
>so many people can't get 17000 (~7-10% of the *adult* pop.) out to their
>games. If fans in Edmonton don't want a team that only occasionnally wins a
>SC but plays well enough to always be in the hunt, well that's fine by me
>they can just send it East about 4 hours, Saskatoon will show them what fan
>support means. 
>
>Edmontonians have shown their fickleness with the Eskimos and now its coming
>out with the Oilers. It isn't surprising at all to me that their attendance
>is down, I expected it to happen once the team became only good rather than
>great.
>
>City of Champions == City of Chumps.
>
>Go Habs!!!

I think this comment on Edmonton fans is really unfair.  The same can be
said of most North American cities, "fickleness" is relative to the success
of the sports franchise.  Hell your precious Montreal is probably the most
fickle city in Canada!  They couldn't support the Alouttes, they almost 
killed the Expos last year, and they continously dumped on the Habs all
of last year despite the fact the Habs won first place in the Adams!

The only cities which appear immune to this "fickleness" are the big
cities which should have the population to weather out these dips in
attendence.  By "big" cities, I'm referring to New York, Chicago, LA,
and Toronto.  Although Montreal kinda blows a hole in my "big city"
theory.

- Ken Loo


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From: "stlawrence production" <stlawrence.production@canrem.com>
Subject: cam neely
Reply-To: "stlawrence production" <stlawrence.production@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:05:11 EST

The last I heard that he is doing light skating, but taking part in The
full practices.  Word is that he will be ready for Opening night.
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Hockey Poolers!!
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:15:25 GMT

In article 104@orasis.vis.toronto.edu, bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
>>>#6  Johann Garpenlov  -- Major sleeper.  Didn't do much in Detroit, but
>
>I thought it was nice of Murray to unload him to the Sharks.

And we're glad to have him here!  He scored something like 11 points in
his first 10 games with the Sharks, late in the season, and impressed
just about everybody with his hard work.

gak

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:01:07 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ESPN announcers


Glenn Chin writes:

>Message-ID: <Qefal9e00Uh7Q6nKgb@andrew.cmu.edu>
>From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>>Any word on announcers?
> 
>I read somewhere that the play-by-play announcer will be Gary Thorne, who, I
>believe, worked Devils' games last season.  His colour commentator will be
>either Bill Clement or John Davidson.  Do US-based viewers prefer Clement or
>Davidson?

We finally get hockey back on ESPN and now you tell me I might have to
suffer with John Davidson???   Steigy on Penguin broadcasts and JD on
the others.  It's gonna be a l-o-n-g season...

Mom.
From: TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Bobenrieth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: LINDROS
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:06:29 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I agree with that. The Patrick is a MEAN division. Wait til he matches up
with the Caps and the Rangers. Maybe our old buddy Adam Graves can whack away
at him now. Maybe Ulfie can smash Lindros' face into the plexiglass and we can
all watch the little punk slide down and collapse on the ice. And Lindros' fans
can flame me all they want but probably won't either because there are no real
fans of Lindros or they realize that he needs a reality check.(pun intended)
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From: tmavor@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Timothy Mavor)
Subject: Re: The state of the Adams address
Reply-To: tmavor@earthview.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:05:36 GMT

iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA writes:

>Gimmie a break, the Bruins suck!!
>Apart from Oates, Neely (health depending)and Bourque, the Boston Bruins
>have a run of the mill team.
>They will have trouble competing with Montreal, Buffalo and
>the much improved Quebec Nordiques, which means they will
>probably finish in third or fourth place (500 record at best)

Golly, they seemed to do fairly well last year against the teams you mentioned...
I guess the Adams was a run-o-the-mill division.  Of course, this year is
a new year, will all the teams starting anew, INCLUDING the Bruins.  

>It is articles like yours that show that Americans know
>verry little about hockey.

And it's articles like yours that show why most Americans consider
Bob and Doug MacKenzie to be typical Canadians.   Lighten up!

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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Best Forwards Ever
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:30:02 GMT

In <1992Sep11.180519.14939@venus.ic.cmc.ca> peter@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Peter Ellis) writes:

>I heard a recent interview with Bobby Orr and, when he was asked "who's
>the greatest hockey player you've ever seen?", he answered without hesitation
>"Gordie Howe".  Gretzky's statements indicating Howe was/is his idol are

Would you expect Orr to claim that he himself was?  I think players have
a tremendous respect for Howe because he played so long and the players 
know how difficult that is (particularly Orr) and because he was so tough
to play against.  As for Gretzky, I was born in Brantford, (where Gretzky
grew up) and the Red Wings are popular in that town.  I have always wondered
why Gretzky use to "idolize" Howe when he could not have seen Howe play in
his effective years and I have always suspected that Howe was in fact Gretzky's
father's favourite player.

If Mark Messier managed to play for 25 years and accumulated 2000 points
in the process would he be considered better than Gretzky or Lemieux?
Probably by those who had never seen any of the three play.  I am 40 
years old.  While I dimly remember the Rocket, I quite clearly remember
Howe in his prime and Bobby Hull.  Hull was by far the more brilliant 
player.  Nobody really talks about Hull because he is an asshole.

>also well known.  Just a dirty player ... come on!  Gordie wasn't above the
>odd cheap shot, but his scoring and leadership abilities should still rank
>him among the all-time greats in anyone's book.

The "odd cheap shot"?  Gordie Howe was probably the toughest player in the
history of the game.  He got all those points because people stayed out of
his way.  Some would argue that that is the most effective way to play the
game, although one wonders why Don Cherry never sings the praises of
Howe the way he does of Orr.  (but then who cares what Cherry says?)
As for "leadership abilities"?  What are you talking about?  Abel and 
then Delvecchio, Howe's two primary centres were leaders.  Even "Terrible"
Ted Lindsay, Howe's left wing, was a leader.  But Howe?  His wife Colleen
maybe... the Red Wings were regularly trashed in the playoffs by the Habs 
and the Leafs.  So much for "leadership".  Off the ice Gordie is a nice
guy.  He has always had time for the media and has managed to keep his
nose clean.  Thus are the legends born.

rm

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: NHL trivia
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:07:38 GMT

NHL TRIVIA
1) Name the only 2 teams to come back from a 3-1 playoff series deficit without
   having home-ice advantage?

2) When was the last time a team that eventually won the Stanley Cup was not
   taken to 7 games in the 1st round?

3) Who was the last team to clinch the Stanley Cup at home?

4) Name the 4 players to win the Conn Smythe Trophy from a team that did not 
   win the Stanley Cup.

5) Who are the only 2 players to win back-to-back Conn Smythe Trophies?

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