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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 12:02:52 CDT
From: Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject:    Shante

I never thought I'd be asking this, but does anyone have any info on the new
Shante album?   I heard 3 cuts ("Big Mama", "Deadly Rhymes" and something with
Granddaddy IU) and I can't wait for her album... According to the Source, her
album was produced by G Rap, Granddaddy, the Large Professor and Grandmaster
Flash.   With all those producers (and writers) at her back even SHE can't go
wrong.  No one in the world can tell me that Shante is writing her own shit,
though... I heard the lyrics to "Big Mama", and they sound like classic Grand-
daddy... The same goes for "Deadly Rhymes", which is a duet with G Rap... But
regardless of WHO does the writing, the shit I heard was dope and I can't wait
for more...

Peace Out, from the Minister...

PS:  Just out of curiosity, is anyone aware that one of Bobby Brown's songs on
his new album was written by RAKIM?  I've heard it... it's a kinda syrupy up-
tempo ballad... Would anyone consider Rakim a sellout for writing an R&B song?
I brought this up because Kane received a lot of criticism for his recent pro-
ducts.  Would the same standard be applied to Rakim?

Peace Out again, and nuff respect to the Hard C.O.R.E. committee (of which I'm
a member)...
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: progwed@sci.kun.nl (Patrick Atoon)
Subject: Re: Fab 5 Freddy
Reply-To: progwed@sci.kun.nl (Patrick Atoon)
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:55:59 GMT

Palle Zetterstrand (superfly@etek.chalmers.se) wrote:

>Didn't ICE-T say something good about MC Household tool on a spoken track
>on Original Gangster? I can't remember what though,haven't listened to that
>one in ages. But, Fredde, maybe you don't consider ICE-T as "real"?
>				-Palle Zetterstrand

If I remember correctly, Ice-T said something like this:

"To the one and only MC Hammer,
 a lot of people dis you man,
 FUCK 'EM!"

Sounds positive for Hammer to me, especially if you recall that Ice-T names
all the people who he regards as Most Valuable Players in his song.

Patrick Atoon
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: jeff.beaty@rose.com (jeff beaty)
Subject: HOUSE OF PAIN
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:42:11 GMT
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Date Entered: 09-06-92 03:33
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: jeff.beaty@rose.com
Subject: UN: HOUSE OF PAIN


Well, I just picked up HOUSE OF PAIN as well as PETE ROCK and CL 
SMOOTH.

I must admit that I was skeptical about HOP but now that I have it and 
have listened to the whole thing I am glad I bought it.  They got 
slammin' beats and the lyrics are alright as well.

PR and CLS are ok...not bad...I shoulda went for EPMD since I liked 
all their previous lp's...well, Erick and Parrish'll havta wait for 
the next paycheck.

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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: sinister.stairs@um.cc.umich.edu (Sinister Stairs)
Subject: Donald D review?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:37:36 EDT
Organization: The Church of Suicidal
Originator: jfine@ocher.engin.umich.edu


Could someone who has Donald D's album please email me or post a review
on it?  I'd like to know how his solo album sounds.  All I've heard of
Donald D is his brief stuff on Ice T's albums.




[33m
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Jonathan H. Fine                   The University of Michigan,    (o o)
sinister.stairs@um.cc.umich.edu    Ann Arbor  "Let's Go Blue!"     |||

[0m
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:03:09 IST
From: Shlomo <X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Fab 5 Freddy

In article <gefD2F200awL83fEV9@andrew.cmu.edu>, Michael Anthony Carnevale
<mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>In the "thank you" section of PE's last two albums, that Oakland child
>showed up as receiving special recognition from Chuck D.  All I can say
>is....Why?
>Still Dumbfounded...

Probably because he's positive , is from the same neighborhood as P.E., and
 they know each other.
Why does thanking someone, have to mean that you agree and stand up for what
 they do?
Possibly, Chuck thinks that his style is wack; but he likes the brother - on a
 personal tip.
Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:38:39 -0400 
From: Michael Anthony Carnevale <mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Where the F... are they ?
	<BuDJGH.H2u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:

>New De La? 

De La will be performing here at Carnegie Mellon on September 18, and
you can bet that they will have some new tracks.  I will definitely let
alt.rap know about the state of De La.

-Mc
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: PM Dawn means Poor MFing Dickweed
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:38:25 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

From  MC Flash X
To    C.O.R.E. members, friends, and fans
About Getting HardC.O.R.E. out

Well, I still need to collate the new member list, and I don't have all the 
pages I planned on, so the newsletter won't be out till tomorrow, Mon., or 
next weekend at the worst.  Until later, I'm audi  5 to my doghouse, but 
for those who don't know what C.O.R.E. is, this includes a short ad. Peace!

Attention all fans of hardcore and underground rap!!!

Doesn't it ever make you wonder?  Vanilla Ice can make a third album, even 
though his first one sucked and the second didn't even sell.  Yet X-clan 
goes near gold with Island and they get dropped for PM Dawn!  This shit has 
got to stop.  And who's gonna do something?

C.O.R.E. is.  C.O.R.E. stands for Committee of Rap Excellence.  We are 
commited to supporting the Underground, and none of that Crossover  
bullshucks.  In fact, our theme song is Crosssover by EPMD (used without 
permission).  We have a newsletter calledd HardC.O.R.E. (catchy huh?) which 
features articles, news, and reviews pertaining to the hip-hop nation.  We 
welcome contributions from freelance writers or members of C.O.R.E., or 
anybody who feels like telling Marky Mark to fuck off.

If you wish to join C.O.R.E., contact me at <JUONSTEVE.@BVC.EDU>.  If I can 
make it work, I'll send copies of HardC.O.R.E. to each member, plus updates
,etc.  A copy will also be posted on ALT.RAP each week (or whenever it gets 
put out).  And remember, KRS-1 said, "Without organization, there'd be no 
black nation."  So let's organize to fight this plague on hip-hop.  I'm 
audi $5,721.83  (anyone hear MC Breed's 'Shout Out'?).  Peace!

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: fedde@Oslo.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Subject: Re: So diss me already
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:45:18 GMT

juonsteve@bvc.edu writes:

>Okay this is X-Man.  This Fedde guy just made it clear to me that I'm 
>gettin dissed behind my back and that I'm wastin my fuckin time. 

Yo...do you get anything right? I mailed you to spare the others around
here from all this personal stuff I wanted to say. I got mail from a couple
of people asking me who you were with all that "attention this" and
"attention that" so I had to ask you in mail. Now you bring up your mail
here too? Can you do anything for yourself without the support of others?
This is alt.rap and not alt.this.is.my.mail.help.me so if you want to tell me
something, you do in in mail and say it to *me* and don't shout it out like
a helpless kid...

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: IGNORE 4265,266is my last post 2day
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep5.185427.1877@bvc.edu>, juonsteve@bvc.edu writes...
>X here, do me a favor and ignore 4265.  I mean hey, if you want to do 
>somethin with it , go ahead.  But i was just depressed for the moment.  But 
>when I saw the amount of new names to add to my list (I won't  say how many 
>so my critic will complain) my spirits came back up.  I still believe this 


	Sorry I didnt get a chance to mail you nothin yet.  But I've got
somethin written and I'll Email it tomorrow (Sunday)! 

						peace.......Amil
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Fab 5 Freddy
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:28:28 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <fedde.715951465@Minsk>, fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>There is something that I have been wondering for a couple of days, and I
>thought I'd put it here to see what the rest of you think. This weekend I
>finally did find myself with some time to sit in front of the TV and what
>shows up when I turn it on? Yes, Fab 5 Freddy on his saturday show, doing an
>interview of 2$hort.
>Fab was asking the pimp something about where he came from, and then said that
>a lot of other wellknown rappers came from that part of AmeriKKKA (don't 
>remember the name of the place, but that is not the deal here). He listed
>some and finally added Hammer to the list. 2$hort was chewing on something, I
>think, and suddenly stopped to look at Fab with a wierd smile not really 
>knowing if he was joking or what! Fab looked so serious, that 2$hort choosed
>to make a fast change of the subject, but he stil had that wondering face.
>
>After that wierd situation, the following video Fab introduced, was one of
>Dj Quik. Again 2$hort paused and this time he didn't say much at all.
>
>So here are my questions...
>
>1) Is Fab really serious when he says Hamsterdick is a good rapper? He looked
>   really serious and I couldn't see if it was a joke. How many other "real"
>   rappers count Hamster as a rapper at all??
>
>2) I personally hate Dj Quik because of the way he sounds and because he is
>   using a concept allready overused by N.W.A. I know some people here, like
>   my man DAVe check him out, and I have to respect it, but does anyone have
>   the 411 on what other rappers _really_ think of Dj Quik and others like
>   him. (Or other terribly weak groups like Nemesis, Stereo MC's...)
>
>3) And finally...what is all that Fab uses now calling everyone "Baby!"?? 
>   Talk about beeing annoying! Bluh...
>
>Peace to ya'll!
>
>Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)

I think that a lot of what Fab 5 does (and, Dre & Ed Lover) is part of the
'job,' working on Yo! MTV Raps.  Hammer and Quik are money makers; lets face
it, people like them for some reason or other, with the big question mark being
of Hammer.  So, you *gotta* mention them and play them if you are a big thing
like MTV, and of course, Yo! MTV Raps has to play them because people *think*
they are hip hop (Quik may be, but not Hammer).  I dislike both, but It's all
business.  The only time MTV goes outside of the business of making money is to
be racist (ie. Yo! MTV Raps Weekdays comes on at 11:30pm in the states, yet it
has always been one of the, if not the, best show they have *ever* had).

                                                 T-Dub
                                                 SHYGUY productions
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Review: Mary J. Blige, "What's the 411?"
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:06:55 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


                          HIP HOP ALBUM REVIEW

                     MARY J. BLIGE, "What's the 411?"

                                                               By David J.

     I didn't give a great deal of thought to Mary J. Blige's LP after hearing
"You Remind Me" on the radio almost every time I turned it on.  I figured it
was just another R&B move which didn't sound quite as bad as the rest of the
stuff on the radio.  
     Then I decided to stay up one night and watch "Yo! MTV Raps," since the
rest of the late night world is still fighting for props. Scarface was on that
night, and when the crew started talking about albums, the first words out of
his mouth were, "Have you heard that Mary J. Blige? That album is *tight*!"
     That's when I decided to buy the album, and I was not disappointed.  Most
of this album is produced by Untouchables Entertainment (Pete Rock & CL Smooth
are part of that posse, but don't produce any tracks here), and they about
wear out that TR808 they're using.  The album starts with a whole bunch of
people leaving messages on Mary's answering machine while a phat bass pumps
in the background. Among those on the machine are DJ Red Alert & CL.
     Then the album starts in earnest.  What separates the music here with the
average R&B drop is that there's a very hip hop-oriented flavor everywhere you
listen, mostly because of the simple musical patterns and the 808 beats.  What
is most surprising is that they work so well.  Tracks like "Real Love," "My
Love" come off hard, while even ballads like "Slow Down" and "I Don't Want To
Do Anything Else", a duet with Christopher Williams, stay away from the old
R&B-sounding garbage the quiet storm usually plays.  Very few albums can
produce that type of sound, but this one did.
     Of course, it doesn't hurt that Mary has one of the nicest voices in the
business.  Her vocals seem almost effortless, a la Lisa Lisa, but even Lisa
isn't quite as smooth sounding as Mary.  What's more, she can rhyme and come
off, as she did in the title cut with Grand Puba, who keeps writing dope stuff
for everyone else as he prepares to release his own LP.
     If the album is worth anything, it's worth the superb cover of "Sweet
Thing", which makes B Angie B's cover seem downright overstated.  All in all,
it's not quite pure hip hop, but it works so well that you barely even notice
the difference.

David J.'s Rating - * * * 1/2 (out of four)

(I'd have given it 4, but they left the "You Remind Me" remix off the LP.)

-- 
- David J. --------- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS.  Bloomington, IN; Durham, NC. -
- e-mail: dwarner@miami.ucs.indiana.edu -------------------------------------
***************** "RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE" ********************
***************** BRP's debut 12" single -- coming soon  ********************
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: acbonin@unix.amherst.edu (ADAM CRAIG BONIN)
Subject: Re: PE 12" Acapella
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:43:09 GMT

Brandon Chin (bc27+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Anyone got a discography of PE 12 inches that have acapella versions on
: them?  (I needs 'em fer skratchin')
: 
: So far, I've got 
: Bring The Noise
: Rebel W/O a Pause (on the Don't Believe the Hype/Prophets of Rage 12")
: 
: Are there anymore?
: 
: _bj_
: __
: bj+@cmu.edu

The CD-5 of "Shut 'Em Down" has a Bald Beat Breakapella mix...so the 12" might
as well.

-adam bonin
 amherst colleg
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: The 411 on Grand Puba.
Followup-To: Where the F... are they???
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:18:39 GMT

The good journalist hard at work...

I called Elektra Entertainment direct today (212-275-4000), and they told me
that the shipping date for "Reel To Reel" was officially October 5th, and the
street date was October 20th.  According to the company, there was not a
mention of a delay in the release of the album over their computer system.
This vexes me, since Streetside in Bloomington had the street date pegged at
August 4th.  They also said the album was already out on vinyl, but I have
yet to check on that.

Nevertheless, that's the official word from Elektra - Grand Puba drops "Reel
To Reel" on October 20th.

And I'm out like the Dodgers...


-- 
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From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C Maggio)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Fab 5 Freddy
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <gefD2F200awL83fEV9@andrew.cmu.edu>, mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Anthony Carnevale) writes...
> 
>fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>>1) Is Fab really serious when he says Hamsterdick is a good rapper? He looked
>>   really serious and I couldn't see if it was a joke. How many other "real"
>>   rappers count Hamster as a rapper at all??
> 
>Even though I hate to discuss anything that is even remotely related to 
>that particular "entertainer" in question, I will speak up on this one. 
>In the "thank you" section of PE's last two albums, that Oakland child
>showed up as receiving special recognition from Chuck D.  All I can say
>is....Why?
> 
>Still Dumbfounded...
> 
>-Mc


Probobly because if every one had hammer's buisiness sense, rappers would
NEVER get jerked, or maybe because he takes his work very seriously.
he's also LEGAL and PAID and he gets a lot of POSITIVE media attention 
without sellin out - now how many rappers get that?  sure, hammer ain't
no lyricist but... if you could follow in his footsteps, would you?
he did a lot towards getting record companies to see rap ain't no joke
since he got big$$$$ for them.  now if the companies could just butt out
and leave the artists ALONE to do what they do best.
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: steve.miller@rose.com (steve miller)
Subject: HardC.O.R.E. vol 01
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:32:30 GMT
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Date Entered: 09-09-92 03:28
   info on this :-)  Has anybody ever seen a complete list of P.E. releases?  I
   mean, including 12" and cassingles along with the regular shit?  I've never
   seen any 12" that predates "Fear of a Black Planet", so I don't know if ther
   are any or not.  I gotta go, catch y'all later!

      Well, I know of two 12" that came before Fear of a black planet
      and they are   Black Steel In the Hour of Chaos
                       Side 1 BSITHOC (Radio)
                              BSITHOC (Instrumental)
                              Too Much Posse
                       Side 2 Caught, can we get a witness(Pre Black
                                                          Steel
                                                          Ballistic
                                                          felony dub)
                              B-Side Wins again ***Better than on Fear**

                     Night of the Living Baseheads
                       Side 1 NOTLB (Anti-high Blood Pressure Encounter)
                              Cold Lampin' With Flavour
                       Side 2 NOTLB (Term X meets DST & Chuck Chill Out)
                              Terminator X to the Edge of Panic
                              The Edge of Panic
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From: v523d85n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C   )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Rap
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92253.151104X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>, X42529@BARILVM.BITNET (Shlomo) writes...
>In article <Bu0But.6zr@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert
>C    ) says:
>you could have made your point (about new hip-hop fans exploring the roots)
>  without flaming the guy who posted his top 10 for the benefit of the original
>  poster.


my bag, didn't mean as a flame, just sharing an idea. peace
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:08:12 EDT
From: Mike Jung <MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Redman album?

Anyone know the release date of Redman's album?
From: v081jwnc@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (William E Neuburger)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Shwingalokate
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <cegCmqS00Vpa05e2hY@andrew.cmu.edu>, mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Anthony Carnevale) writes...
>I have had the album De La Soul is Dead since it came out, and I have
>listened to that album probably more than any other since that.  But I
>still have not been able to understand what the "Shwingalokate" is.  I
>listen to it over and over and over, and all I hear are an understood
>phrase here and there, but as a whole, I have no idea what it means.  In
>the credits on ATCQ's first album they mentioned the Shwingalokate, and
>in a recent press release, De La said that the D.A.I.S.Y.  Age is
>officially over, and "Shwingalokate" and the "Now-Speak" will be in
>effect.  What the hell?  Someone help me out, I'm going nuts.
> 
>-Mc
I understand that Shwingalokate is Swing and Locate to some other place.
I remember reading something about them in one of those Tower Record free
magazines.  They were on the cover.  A good article was in  there.  I might
still have it, if somebody wants a copy, email me.

Audi 4999,
William
From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Grim Reaper)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:10:03 GMT
Subject: Re: PE uk 12"'s
Organization: The Edge of Sanity
Newsgroups: alt.rap


Word,

 I dunno if it's rare or what but i have 'B-side wins again 12' with
 'Black steel in the hour of chaos' on the flip, i musta bought it five
 years ago on import.

 Peace Gumby
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: I'm not frontin OKAY?!
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:49:59 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

From MC Flash X, to my flamer.  I say how much mail I got to thank the 
people who took the time to send it, not to front or bullshit.  Also to say 
how busy I am in case anybody needs to reach me.  So like Flavor Flav says 
"Get Off My Back"!!

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: b645zml@utarlg.uta.edu (STEPHEN HUFNAGEL)
Subject: Roxanne Shante
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:23:00 GMT

Hmm... I seem to remember that Roxanne Shante had a song
on the _Colors_ soundtrack that used the same sample
from Rob Base's "It Takes 2", although I don't know
which came out 1st. Whatever happened to Base and Easy
Rock? Did they hang up their tools of the trade
after _The Incredible Rob Base_? (Not that I care too much... :)

Brian
b645zml@utarlg.uta.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 10:45:47 CDT
From: Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Female Rappers?
 <1992Sep08.104226.19435@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> <1992Sep9.201308.7960@uwm.edu>

What up, Mike J?...
The track you heard is "I Don't Give a Fuck", by BOSS, who happens to be AMG's
sister... the first time I heard her was on AMG's album, on a cut called "My
Sister Is A Bitch"... From what I've heard, her debut album will be produced by
MC Serch (Serch produced "I Don't..."), DJ Quik, AMG, and Erick Sermon.  I have
to admit, Boss ain't that bad... actually, she's quite good... She ain't no
Latifah, but then again, who is?

Peace, from the Minister of Rage...