HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vjrao@owlnet.rice.edu (Vinay Julapalli Rao)
Subject: Re: A small problem with Silence of the Lambs
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:24:58 GMT

>>v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Quenby M Chunco) writes:
>> 
>>>In article <ddrumm.21rl@amiganet.chi.il.us>, ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes...
>>>>Michael Kaufman:
>>>> 
>> 
>>And here, then, is the question that *I've* had since I saw the damned 
>>thing, and peers argue both for against it:  did Lecter swallow the
>>pen clip, and then wait for it to pass through his digestive system?
>>This, I thought, was (1) why he was in the bathroom just prior to its
>>appearance, and (2) a pretty damned accurate prediction of one's own
>>excretory system. =)
>
>If I remember correctly from the book, he did not swallow the pen piece
>but had it concealed in his gum or somewhere in his mouth. I think he
>chose the bathroom because it was the most private place in his cell,
>he couldn't be watched by the police and so they would not see him take
>something from his mouth and hide it.
>
>
>
>>--------
>>Captain Frank A. Lauro          Commanding Officer       University of Illinois
>>fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       USS ALEXA NCC 1764-D     Urbana-Champaign
>>--------
>>"What happened to your hair?"
>> -- Boothby (Ray Walston) to Picard, TNG: "The First Duty"


Does anyone know how he got the pen in the first place?  As I remember from the
movie, he stares at Chilton's pen for a while, but we are never shown how he 
managed to get it even though he was completely bound.

 
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From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Thunderheart
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

Has anyone seen this yet?  Is it any good?
From: bwf@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (bernard.w.fecht)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: that's entertainmt?
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:56:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr12.1489.15396@channel1> "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:
>On 04-12-92 FRANK R A J. MALONEY wrote:
>
>FRFollowing is a list of the top-ten grossing movies in the U.S. as of 8
>FRApril 1992....
>FR3     BEETHOVEN                            7.6       debut
>
>And if this isn't a testimony to the mediocrity of the American
>film industry or of the tastes of the American viewing public,
>then I don't know what is. Anybody like anything on this list??
>

Yeah, I thought Beethoven was one of the best family movies I've
seen in a long time.  (Of course, I've had to sit thru _Bingo_
twice, so I may still be a little disturbed from that experience.)

Charles Grodin seemed a bit off, but he's still a very funny guy.
Casting Dean Jones as the bad guy in a movie like this was a nice
touch too.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:13682 alt.usage.english:2995
From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Subject: Re: Henry V
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:34:06 GMT

In case anyone is interested Masterpiece Theater is showing this in April.
For viewers in NH, it's on ch11 on the 29th at 9.
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Stephen King's _Sleepwalkers_ (minor spoilers)
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:25:35 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

George F McBay:
 
You didn't mention "The Shining". This is easily the best adaptation of a King novel into film. Of course, Kubrick directed it. With the exception of Carpenter (Carrie), I don't think anyone of any note has attempted to take on a King book. Which suits me fine. After King bashed Kubrick for the way he made the Shining, and then went on to direct Max Overdrive, my opinion of him is trash. It pretty much was, anyway, after reading DANSE MACABRE. But I don't want to get into that...
From: gfm@ccs.northeastern.edu (george f mcbay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Sharon Stone on SNL
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:35:09 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Apr15.230226.12745@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>Yeah, just six or so protestors trying to make their point - That
>>groups which use ACT-UP type tactics are real assholes.  It worked, too.

>Then what tactics would you suggest they use to make
>their larger point -- about Hollywood's mistreatment
>of gay people and women?  Asking nicely doesn't seem
>to have had any effect...

	Maybe they could not go to the movie and encourage others (not by
yelling and screaming) not to see it also.  I didn't "get" the "homosexuals
are evil" message from Basic Instinct, I don't complain when there happens
to be a hetrosexual psycho in a movie.  (This is NOT to say that other movies
haven't degraded homosexuals)

Anyways..
From: pibeb@dcatla.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Darkman - Crap?
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:49:17 GMT
Organization: Digital Communications Associates, Alpharetta, GA


	Personally I found DARKMAN pretty entertaining. Then again, I saw
it immediately after seeing MY BLUE HEAVEN with Steve Martin and Rick Moranis.
After that one,anything looks good.
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Who starred in 'Rabid'?
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:26:04 GMT

In article <12248@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) writes:
>
>     A friend of mine is trying to remember the name of the star of a
>movie she saw (a very bad one she also comments) called 'Rabid'. She
>believes she has done some X-rated movies as well. 'Rabid' doesn't
>appear to be listed in the actresses list, so I can't find her there.
>

Marilyn Chambers.  BTW, _Rabid_ is an early David Cronenberg film.  I
thought the scenes late in the movie showing the government clean up
crews for the dead to be quite chilling.  Definitely not his best
movie, but watchable late at night.


--
McCreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com     Computers are like Old Testament gods;
Me? Speak for Compaq?  Yeah, right.   lots of rules and no mercy.
                                                             Joseph Campbell
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From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Subject: Darkman - Crap ((YES!)? Not hardly!) Movie of Destiny!
Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...."
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:41:11 GMT

In <ytpjwbl@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

>msr@kepler.unh.edu (Mathew S Reno) writes:

>> You have to admit the edits were not done with too much care (In some
>> cases too much!) 

>I didn't have any problem with the editing of the movie.  They used a lot
>of hyperbolic off-the-wall film technique, but lots of us *enjoy* that
>kind of thing from time to time.  That's a large part of Raimi's appeal to me. 

Absolutely.  If Mathew weren't obsessed with conformity, he might have
read the article in American Cinematographer in which several different
prominent cinematographers praised Darkman as (paraphrased) a fascinating
exploration of the leading edge of cinematographic technique, a fore-
runner of techniques to come.

Ah well, I suppose it's a good thing Mathew wasn't around when Hitchcock
was doing innovative things with zoom lenses....

-- 
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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee (Was: Re: I've got JUNGLE FEVER...)
Keywords: We're in love...
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 19:20:30 GMT

I recall reading a piece on "Jungle Fever" in the Austin Chronicle
(the local *alternative* paper, mind you) that criticized the mixing
of the two sub-plots (interracial romance and crack devastation) and
I believe accused Spike of stringing together a strand of thematically
incoherent (but stylish) scenes. I remember thinking at the time,
"Well, yeah, but what do you think Woody Allen's been doing?"
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: lillyj@ohsu.edu (Jill Lilly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: IMAX and OMNIMAX
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:09:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Apr8.160917.21698
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences Univ.

> 
> Portland        Oregon          OMNIMAX         24.1            315
>                                 Oregon Museum of Science & Industry


This theater is not open yet.
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From: aku@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Chia-Tso Ku)
Subject: Movie version of SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 19:04:59 GMT

Today's NY Times mentions that after Stockard Channing reprises her
role in SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION in London this summer, she will star
in the movie version, to begin shooting in September.  The movie is to
be directed by Fred Schepisi.

I think Schepisi is a competent choice for director, given that he's
"proven" himself with a comedy (ROXANNE), a play adaptation (PLENTY)
and even a "ripped from the headlines" movie (A CRY IN THE DARK).
He's certainly talented (although I still think his best work came
early in his career in Australia) but I wonder if his movie version
will lose some of the play's New York flavor and edge.

If I had a choice I'd prefer to see someone like Paul Mazursky or
Mike Nichols or Robert Altman or even Barbra Streisand directing.

Andrew
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From: sws8n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Stefan William Sittig)
Subject: Re: Pince of Tides: 0 for 7 (yes!)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:46:26 GMT

In article <librdb.702133668@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> librdb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Roy D. Berridge) writes:
> The most pleasing thing about the 64th Academy Awards is that			 The Prince of Tides was shut out!  Too bad we had to listen to			 all that crap about poor Barbra not being nominated because she's		 a woman.  She wasn't nominated because she sucks!  Poor
> thing.			 maybe now we will be spared her cinematic endeavors for a few			 years.  I guess we will still have to put up with that godawful		 voice, though.  Oh well, small price to pay.  

WHAT!!!!???!!  You must be a complete idiot!!  THE PRINCE OF TIDES was one of
the most mature and insightful movie of the year.  Granted, it isn't a masterpiece, but so few movies were in 1991, definitely NOT SILENCE OF THE LAMBS!!  As for
directing...Barbra is eons better than Demme, and I'd rather hear her voice
than that boring ol' Demme and his "hums" and "uhs" and so forth.  What a mentalidiot!  I know 6th graders that have better public speaking skills than that
troglodyte.  I think Barbra Streisand was once more fucked over.(Yentl was an
ambitious endeavor).  I'm sure that just because she didn't win an oscar, that
doesn't mean she'll stop doing what she wants to do.  She has the money and
the talent to do what she pleases to.  I'm sure she will soon direct another
movie and it will be even better than the other two.  She may not  be an 
amazing director, but so few people really are in their first tries.  Give her
some time, in a few more years and a few more tries she might be considered the
best woman director in Hollywood.  And believe me, Hollywood needs one.  

"It is common sense to take a method and try it.  If it fails, admit it frankly
and try another.  But above all-try something!"
				-FDR


Stefan
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X"
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:50:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: NCoast.1992Apr13.215031.18993
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1992Apr11.152001.4184@panix.com> by tkelsey@panix.com (Tom Kelsey):

> In article <1992Apr8.151046.15165@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> reiher@onyx.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Peter Reiher) writes:
> >In article <1992Apr7.220503.4116@mahendo.jpl.nasa.gov> reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Reiher) writes:
> >>A recent article in the business section of the LA Times said that
> >>the completion bond company has just pulled the plug on Spike Lee's
> >>uncompleted film, "Malcolm X".  
> >
> >>Lee has produced a 4 hour rough cut of "Malcolm X"
> >>already, and was contractually obligated to produce a three hour
> >>cut, at the longest.  The completion bond company apparently wants
> >>a cut around 2 hours, or a little longer, 
> >
> >Another article in yesterday's LA Times had further clarification.
> >Lee is contractually obligated (to the original studio, not just the
> >completion bond company) to produce a 2 hr. and 15 minute movie.  The
> >completion bond company wants to hold him to the contract.  The issue
> >does indeed seem to be a battle over the length of the film, rather than
> >whether the film will be completed or how much more money will be spent.
> >
> >Lee has taken a big risk with "Malcolm X".  All along, apparently he
> >was determined that he would make a 3 hour film costing around $33 million.
> >When the studio would only authorize $28 million, and demanded a 2 hr.,
> >15 minute film, Lee signed, but seems to have never intended to honor
> >those clauses.  In today's Hollywood, this is a very risky maneuver,
> >indeed.  If he prevails, and if the film is a big hit, all will be forgiven.
> >If he prevails, and the film is a flop, Lee will probably have trouble
> >getting his next film made the way he wants it.  If he doesn't prevail,
> >then Lee will lose a great deal of bargaining clout for future films,
> >regardless of how the film does - if it's a flop, it's his fault; if it's
> >a hit, the wisdom of the studio/completion bond company will have saved
> >the film.  For that reason, (along with his sincere belief that "Malcolm
> >X" requires 3 hrs. to be a good film) I expect Lee to go to the mat for the 
> >long version.
> >
> 
> My feeling is that if he is 'going to the mat' for all this 'artistic'
> integrity he's nuts.  Its a film I feel no one wants to see any way..
> The 'whites' will stay away in DROVES...  

I was never a Malcom X worshipper, but other people BESIDES Whites go to      
movies.  That doesn't of course address whether Whites will REALLY shun the
film either....

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From: kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown)
Subject: Re: Undubbed version of Mad Max
Reply-To: kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown)
Organization: Minimal.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:42:42 GMT

In article <ricko.703169324@ee.uts.EDU.AU> ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe) writes:
>kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>
>>WHERE can one get an UNDUBBED version of Mad Max?  You know, the version
>>*without* the stupid Americanized voices?  The one with the *original*
>>*unmodified* soundtrack.
>>Can the undubbed version be gotten in Australia?  Is it possible to get
>>one from there in a VHS format that a standard VHS type VCR in the U.S.
>>would understand?  There might be video compatibility problems between
>>machines here in the States and those in Australia...
>
>We have VHS in Australia. The normal TV format is PAL-D. I don't think
>I've ever seen Mad Max for sale.
>
>Why don't you come to Australia and buy or copy Mad Max, and pick up
>a duty-free PAL + NTSC video on the way back in Honkers? 

If I had the $$$ I would.  Australia has always sounded like a fascinating
place...

>Why is your
>company called taronga by the way?

Beats me.  I just have an account on the machine (used to be called the
"Taronga Park BBS").  I don't work for the guy who owns it or anything.

>-ricko

So, does everyone over there drive old late sixties/early seventies
vintage cars with macho engines?  :-) :-)


		Kevin Brown (kevin@taronga.taronga.com)

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From: joe@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Joe Nappa)
Subject: P.S. to SotL questions....
Reply-To: joe@archsci.arch.su.oz.au (Joe Nappa)
Organization: Dept of Architectural & Design Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:21:23 GMT


To my comment that Lecter, as a gourmet of some reputation, would have 
preferred the wine Amarone (as Harris, the author, has him doing) to Chianti
as an accompaniment to his meal of Pate de Census-taker Gras (OK, for the
pedants: Pate d'officiel du Recensement Gras....???...oh, forget it!) I
should add that Amarone as a much heavier red wine would be preferable to
the lighter Chianti when partaking of such a strong taste as liver.

Joe

Joe Nappa                  *************************************************** 
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Dept. of Architec. Science * They play with us for their  sport"             *
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From: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (mark.r.leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: TOTO THE HERO
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:40:06 GMT
Organization: AT&T


				TOTO THE HERO
		       A film review by Mark R. Leeper

	  Capsule review:  The reminiscences of a man who blames
     all the pain of his life on a friend with whom he believes he
     was switched at birth.  Childhood and adult fantasy
     intertwine with reality as Thomas (nicknamed Toto) plots his
     revenge on Alfred.  Strange but likable film.  Rating: low +2
     (-4 to +4).  (Warning: there are spoilers in this review.)

     Thomas van Hasbroeck is unstuck in time.  Well, in fact his whole
family was a little unstrung in various ways.  Thomas grew up with the
childish fantasy that he had been switched with another baby, Alfred, in the
nursery and the rich kid across the street really belonged to Thomas's
family and Thomas belonged to the rich family.  Through life, every
misfortune Thomas suffered he blamed on Alfred.  Every piece of good fortune
Alfred enjoyed should have gone to Thomas.  Thomas blamed Alfred for the
loss of the two women he loved.  One was his sister Alice, who was
attractive and had a natural flair for arson and incest.  Later it was
Evelyne, who loved Thomas but married Alfred.  All this is a set of
disjointed reminiscences of the old Thomas as he plans his revenge on
Alfred.  At each age, we see Thomas's fantasies of revenge against the
dastardly usurper Alfred.  Usually they are framed as scenes from a spy film
about the great Toto--Toto is Thomas's nickname.  And part of what the film
is about is the function of fantasy as an important part of how we see
reality.  Thomas must know that he is making most of his fantasies up, but
they impact strongly on his world view.

     Flashing forward and backward in time, we see little enigmatic memories
as flashes that will later be fleshed out.  Eventually we discover that the
film has played a nifty little sleight-of-hand on us--a double sleight-of-
hand, in fact.

     The director and screenwriter of this Belgian-French-German production
is Jaco van Dormael, who went from being a clown to being a children's
theater director to being a film director.  He has fun with children and the
way they look at the world.

     This film has been getting a lot of positive comment after appearing at
several film festivals.  It is a little slight for the comment it is
getting, but it is worth seeing.  I give TOTO THE HERO a low +2 on the -4 to
+4 scale.

					Mark R. Leeper
					att!mtgzy!leeper
					leeper@mtgzy.att.com
					Copyright 1992 Mark R. Leeper
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:54:54 -0400 
From: Louis Blair <lb2e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Zapruder Film (?)

>I seem to recall that there was a film taken at the time (I
>assume the Zapruder film) which was very blurry and jerky
>due to the fact that the camera was hand held. The show said
>that someone painstakingly "aligned" each frame in the film
>to common reference points and made a copy, thus eliminating
>much of the jerkiness.
>
>In the last few months, I've watched several of the documentaries
>on JFK (starting with A&E's "The Men Who Killed Kennedy")
>but no mention was made of any "aligning" of a jerkily shot film,
>and all the Zapruder footage looks reasonably stable.
>
>Is my memory playing tricks on me? Or was all the Zapruder
>footage shown in the documentaries "aligned" even though no
>mention was made of the fact?

If you ask me, all things considered, the original Zapruder film
looks pretty smooth.  Nevertheless, Kennedy and Connally
are not in exactly the same part of the picture throughout
all the frames.  If someone wants to show a magnification
of those two, the portion of the frame that is enlarged and
displayed has to shift, as one progresses through the film,
in order to keep Kennedy and Connally in the center of the
field of view.  When you see a close-up of Kennedy and
Connally, that is the "aligned" version.  I don't know the
technical details, but I would imagine that the process is
similar to the panning and scanning that is used to show
a portion of an originally widescreen movie on a TV-shaped
screen.
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: "THUNDERHEART"
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:33:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr17.001650.8705@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, esc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth) writes:
> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> >> Anyway, if we are debating "realism" in the movie, then doesn't an Ogalala
> >> Lakota's opinion of the movie have a little more importance than all the 
> >> others?
> 
> >That depends on the Oglala Lakota.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> 
> >> Just one person's opinion...
> 
> >Yes.
> >GMS
> 

> What exactly is _that_ supposed to mean? I would think that someone with

That means exactly what it says.  It would seem odd to assume that if
one were a member of a particular group, then that person is automatically
the repository of all their knowledge and history and therefore responsible
or able to be their spokesperson.  It strikes me also as odd if someone were
to assume that someone not a member of that group is automatically inferior
and not qualified to make any observations or hold opinions regarding that
group or its history.  Requiring an Oglala Lakota to review a movie with
Oglala Lakotas in it is no less an illogical generalization than requiring
a short alien review ET.  

> expertise is someone with expertise. When I read Jenenne's (sorry if I 

I can't argue with that.

> to me.  Why are people slamming her on it? She's a Native American
> spelled that wrong, ma'am :) ) post, it seemed to make perfect sense

I think it is not constructive to assume that anyone that disagrees with
a person is "slamming" them.

> she has a right to have a say in this subject and if you're debating

That's right.  We all do.

> realism then I just don't think that a white person's view has more

I hope you're not assuming that everyone that disagrees with an Indian
must be white.  I also hope you're not assuming that any group must
have an homogenous point of view.

> importance here...

The only post I've seen that seems to attribute importance to individuals
based upon their race is yours.  I hope you didn't intend that.

> elizabeth
> 

Many people can be and are bitter about things.  Display of this
is a healthy outlet.  But if it gets in the way of a person's ability
to reason, it often results in exactly the kind of human behavior that
caused the bitterness in the first place.

GMS
> Ob movie quote: "Bitter? Oh, a *tad*"  (it seemed rather appropos :) )
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