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From: cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com (Mash Cheragh-Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: bAyad ...
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:51:02 GMT
Organization: The Light House
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov5.051535.13544@wam.umd.edu>, ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Ahoora joon) writes:
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From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Seyyed and the Politics of Difference
Keywords: Politics, Difference
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:53:42 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <lfit09INN6ul@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.043107.19477@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>
>>I am not trying to confuse you by apealing to generalities. On the contrary,
>>I am very specific. Very simple, clear and specific statements: 
>>
>>1) God says that women should wear hejab.
>    ~~~
>
>wrong.  *quran* says women should wear hejab. once you prove to people
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>on this net that god wrote quran, then points 2-4 will hold.  until then
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ii'm sorry, but i disagree with this statement. even if he proves
this point, that doesn't imply that points 2thru4 hold.

>you can only say muhammad/quran says women should wear hejab.  of course,
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

excuse my lack of knowledge, but i thought according to historians,
salmaane farsi wrote quran.

>the challenge which you continually refuse to touch (to prove that quran
>could *not* have been written my man), still stands as another acceptable
>way to prove your claims.
>
>>2) God has created us, therefore knows better about our own benefit.
>
>agreed.
>
>>3) God is kind to us and wants our good and prosperity.
>
>agreed.
>
>>4) We should seek our good and prosperity.
>
>agreed.
>
>>5) Therefore we should obey God, and his order about hejab.
>
>agreed, if point 1 is proven.
>
>>You see how simple and clear it is?
>
>>If you don't believe
>>in statements 1) through 4), then you have another problem that is not probably
>		              
>no one has a problem seyyed.  since hejab is forced, rather being just 
>recommended, the burdeon of proof for your claims is on *you*.  if youre
>only proof is 'cuz god says so', then you have to prove that god, 
>infact, said so.
>
>you see how simple and clear it is?
>
>>Seyyed.

behzad
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:56:25 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <12NOV199217135617@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>>>
>>> What the fuck are you trying to be sarcastic of?
>> 
>>Fear Allah, satan!!  Learn how to talk like AdamizAd, and I'll answer you. 
>> 
>>>
>>>Satan.
>>>
>> 
>>Agha Javad
>
> Your the one who better fear Allah, because if you say anything bad about
>Kurds I'll make sure you'll be going to Hell alot sooner than expected!
>

ooooohhhh, getting dangerous, now aren't we??  Well, I never have and never
will say anything against the Kurds as a nation. But you still need to talk 
like bacheh Adam to get a decent answer.  Take two tylenol and email me in the 
morning. jeeeEEEEZZZZZ!!         

I think Behzad is right, someone notify the mental hospital!

>
>Satan.
>
sure you are, sure, of course, anything you say, now just calm down, the
doctor will get here any minute, and you'll go to a nice clean place with
a lot of white sheets, and you'll even get your own jacket!!


Agha Javad
(the fingernail man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Subject: Re: *yawn* tired of Seyyed Joon
Summary: *yawn*
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: *yawn*
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:37:00 GMT

In article <10NOV199218534434@reg.triumf.ca>, mahin@reg.triumf.ca writes...
>In article <lfvtqkINNq6j@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes...
>>In article <1992Nov9.224821.28120@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:
>> 
>>[ picteresque slinging of water+dirt mixture deleted ]
>> 
>>>
>>>peace and non-violence, things you not surprisingly have difficulty 
>>>understanding, given the steroid level in your blood and the Folger's crystals
>>>[(c) 1992 Shahrokh] content of your head.  
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
>> 
>>javaad, relax, no one takes these guys seriously anyway.  their pooch
>>arguments, repeated over and over and over again, have become more 
>>predictable than the Circuit City once-in-a-lifetime weekend sales.
>> 
> 
>This is to Agha Javaad, Lorne King and whoever else that spends their precious
>time explaining such trivial matters like the absurdity of "hejaab", and the 
>obvious rights of women, down to such detail that any 10 year old with half an
>ounce of brains would understand and agree.
> 
>Let me tell you, if you haven't noticed already, Seyyed Joon and Ali Abgooshti
>do not have the capacity to understand such simple matters nor to respond
>with healthy and challenging arguments.  If you look at all the previous 
>articles you'll notice the more logical you became, the more illogical 
>they became.  So I suggest that you treat them as a couple of zits. 
>Ignore them and they'll go away, and if you keep picking at them you'll 
>experience even grosser excretions.
> 
>Mahin, (can't-bear-another-S.J.-nor-A.A.-article)
> 
>p.s. don't you all think this "hejab" argument has been beaten to death?
>     4 months and still going at it!

Dear mahin shepeshee;

have you been looking at the mirror again, I guess you have more than a couple
of zits.

It take one to know one, Mother folad zereh



                    ********************************
                    * ALI BABA, not an old legend, * 
                    *   But a new guardian angel   *          
                    ********************************


Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.iranian: Frequently Asked Questions [monthly posting]
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:06:41 GMT

mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (Siamak Hashemi) writes:


>Archive-name: iranian-faq
>Last-modified:  1992/10/29
>Version: 1.0


>            Multi-Lingual-Scribe:
>                Wordprocessing program supporting 5 to 10 different
>                languages, including arabic. Works with matrix and laser
>                printers.
>                Price: ?
>                Availability: Gamma Productions
>                              710 Willshire Blvd, suite 609
>                              Santa Monica CA 90401
>                              Tel: 213 3948622
>                This info is two years old, so don't sue me if it does not
>                proof to be correct!

This is a great word processor. I has online help, supports up to
5 differnt languages. And supports a wide range of printers.

However, the above address isn't their current address, does any one
know of their current address and if ther are still in business?


Regards.

PS. Does any one know what happens to the copyright belonging to a
company after they do out of business? What I mean is if Gamma
Productions is out of businees does that meean MLS is now PD?
-- 
==============================================================================
Tooraj Enayati     Melbourne     Australia     tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au
Monash University       Robotic and Digital Technology       (Graduate/Alumni)
==============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi)
Subject: Re: Ms King real name (The Jews)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:50:05 GMT

 M.G. writes:
(The Jews)
>They control USA and the WEST and even BUSH or CLINTON do not dare
>to speak aginst the jews
>

I have heard my fair share of conspiracy theories.  Given the level
of interference that the US has participated in with respect to
foreign nations (see, Mossadegh), I can understand the fears and
theories that arise.  However, I question any broad generalization
and this definately falls under that catagory.


>and I think HITLER was right when he said that they are like a cancer
>in a body and should be removed.
>
>       ** WHERE EVER WHEN EVER THERE ARE SUFFERING **
>** AND MASS KILLING YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE JEWS BEHIND IT**
>

Conspiracy theories are one thing, but advocating mass genocide
is something else.  Although I know it is useless, I would
suggest that you carefully consider what you are saying.  If
you are a Muslim or any person with a religious conscious, you
should ask youself if this is a proper "God fearing" attitude.
Even those of us who are not particularly strong in faith or
religious belief (I beleive) find this type of expression
abhorrant and against humanity.  You seem to be a very angry
person.  That is unfortunate for you since anger usually
brings unhappiness.  It is more unfortunate for sociey as
a whole if your views are taken to heart.

>M.G
>CARDIFF, WALES, U.K.

Mellissa Namazi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: You make the call (Iran vs. Japan - Asian Cup)
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:40:50 GMT

In <1992Nov7.022456.9557@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.234900.8154@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>>
>>I just talked to my family in Iran this morning. In light of Iran's
>>elimination from the Asian Cup, here's some facts/opinion courtesy of
>>my brother.
>>
>>Facts:
>>
>>    o A tie would have advanced Iran into the semifinals while it
>>      would have eliminated Japan, where a win for Japan would advance
>>      Japan into the semifinals and eliminate Iran.
>>    o The game was played in Japan!
>>    o Three players from Iran were sent off during the game!
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>    o The game was tied 0-0 until the 88th minute when Japan scored
>>      the only goal of the game.

>Do we know why the 3 players were ejected from the game?  Was this another
>"towte'e" [(c) dAee jAn Napel-on, 1357] by British as Babak had previously
                                            ^^^^^^^^
>felt?

>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056

British are nothing but a third world country these days.  Like other
Empires before it, it has gone with the wind.  However, it might be a
"towte'e" by Japanese.  Off course, our great friend U.S. might have
something with it, too. The victory would have given Iran more popularity
in the Republics.

                    With highest regards,
                         Babak   Sehari.


--
From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Ms King Is this your real name???
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:35:55 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

To Ms L.King,

Is this your real name??
I am sure you are a jew so your name has to be something like
KAHAN, KHIEEM, or MENAHIM.
That is the practice of all the jews they change their names
claim they are christians
then they start attaking ISLAM and the MUSLIM regadless in the
name of FREEDOM.

Why do not you attak the Turkish Govenment who ban the Hijab
and SADDAM who killed thousands of innocent people. 

NO OFF COURSE NOT 

The Turkish gov. doing a very good job especially their are thousands of
jews (every single jew is a spy for Israel) in Turkey
and Saddam is a great man in your eyes
and most of the American and the jews where else they can find
an evil like him
This the truth ms King or what ever your name is.


M.G
CARDIFF, WALES, U.K
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Soccer alert (was Re: Bush and Saddam)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:18:30 GMT

sharam@ole.cdac.com (Sean Namazi) writes:

    [article deleted]

>Shahram Namazi                  | UUCP:      ...!uunet!ole!sharam
>Cascade Design Automation Corp. | Internet:  sharam@ole.cdac.com
>3650 131st Ave SE, Suite 650    | TEL:       (206)-649-7609
>Bellevue, WA  98006             | FAX:       (206)-649-7600

AghA HooshyAr, look who just posted. Do you still have your note from
a few months ago? Let's arrange an inter-SCI soccer match somewhere in
Oregon, with 1 pors soltAnee to follow.

    --mack
From: logic@unixg.ubc.ca (abu logic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: An eshgh ...
Date: 5 Nov 1992 09:19:14 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <1992Nov4.193814.10603@u.washington.edu> payman@carson.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:

/> The following short poem is by H.A. SAyeh and 
/> published in "yAdegAr-e khoon-e sarv", Toos Pub.,
/> Tehran, 1370 [1991].

/> An eshgh ke deedeh geryeh Amookht az-oo
/>    del dar gham-e oo neshast-o jAn sookht az-oo
/> emrooz negAh kon ke jAn-o del-e man
/>    joz yAdi-o hesrati che andookht az-oo

/>                              Tehran, Azar 1354

Dar sinehat neshast zakhm-e 'ameegh-o kAry-e doshman
	    AmmA to sarv-e istAdeh nayoftAdee

Dar to tarAneh-hAy-e khanjar-o khoon
	    Dar to sorood-e fath
                   Dar to avAy-e parandegAn-e mohAjer 
                          hargez namordeh ast

....

			 (by khosrow golsorkhi)

/> -Payman

abu logic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Exercise of Mind
Organization: Expression
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:06:11 GMT

If you were going to express sci in a 5"x5" square, what would that be?

I will entertain all replies.  Pictures, art work, simple idea, text,
and in general any way of communicating your views will be appreciated.

Ready, set, go . . . 

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056

PS.  I was going to say this will be used in an all sci-uniting project,
     but for now ignore what I shared with you (shishshshsh).
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Fear Allah and his khalifas/jaa-neshins (was Re: still looking for answers)
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:57:47 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Nov5.231519.11619@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

> p.s. Massoud and I are both right! The knowledge of man is very little 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> compared to his ignorance, but he still can understand lots of things.

Unless of course that "man" happens to be a (Moslem) religious fanatic who:

	KNOWS exactly what "God" has said;
	KNOWS exactly what "Islamic way of life" is;
	KNOWS exactly what the "true" Islam is;
	KNOWS exactly if you are a moslem, an atheist or what;
	KNOWS exactly that everybody who has been murdered by the
	religious zealots and mollahs back home has committed
	murder, armed rebellion or spying or similar;
	KNOWS exactly who goes to hell or heaven after death;
	KNOWS exactly that Islam is going to rule the whole world;
	KNOWS exactly where the position of women is/should be;
	KNOWS exactly Bahaism was/is nothing more than a Western
	conspiracy and that their leaders are spies;
	KNOWS exactly that the "Great Satan" is behind everything that
	the regim in Tehran is afraid of;
	KNOWS exactly that the Iranian regime is really "independent",
	that "America can't do a damn thing" and at the same time, Iran
	fights an eight year "imposed" war of destruction and finally
	accepts an "imposed" peace too.
	KNOWS exactly that all Iraninas who fled Iran during the last
	12-13 years were either afraid to serve in the army or were
	after the good life in the West;
	KNOWS exactly the answer to any Islamic question you raise.

After all, "he" is the "khalifat-o-llah-e fe-l-araz", and is taught
directly by the all-knowing Allah.  "He" is the real "God on earth"
who (as Qor'an says) can also "give out life and death" by sentencing
to death and killing whoever "he" chooses, and sparing the
life of others.  Oh, "Fear Allah and his khalifas/jaa-neshins..."

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca (Navid Badie)
Subject: Re: Ms King Is this your real name???
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:58:55 GMT

scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G") writes:
: To Ms L.King,
: 
: Is this your real name??
: I am sure you are a jew so your name has to be something like
: KAHAN, KHIEEM, or MENAHIM.
: That is the practice of all the jews they change their names
: claim they are christians
: then they start attaking ISLAM and the MUSLIM regadless in the
: name of FREEDOM.

Here we go again with RACIST attacks on people whose opinions do not
fit some preconceived notion of "truth". One of the primary purposes of 
forums such as this is **to exchange ideas and opinions**. If you choose
to engage in personal attacks on those who participate in these
discussions, you will only take away from your own credibility in 
the future.

: The Turkish gov. doing a very good job especially their are thousands of
: jews (every single jew is a spy for Israel) in Turkey
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quite a revelation. The number of individual case studies you must
have done to determine this is simply mind-boggling. When you decide
to publish the results of your research, please send me a copy. This
kind of thoroughness and perseverance has to be applauded. Now if you
would only care to determine whether the same applies to every single
Baha'i, everyone on s.c.i. would be forever in your debt. 

: 
: M.G
: CARDIFF, WALES, U.K

Navid Badie.
========================================================
nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca
To state the obvious:
Any opinions expressed in the above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mks9e@amsun30.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid)
Subject: Aryan symbols
Reply-To: mks9e@amsun30.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:45:03 GMT

Could someone kindly tell me if old Aryan symbols still exist in 
Iran today. In Germany under Hitler, they revived the old Germanic
symbols the swastika and the old style SS for the Schutz Stafel.
In India, the reverse swastika is still quite common.
Thanks in advance.
Mustafa Saiyid
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Dastgah Concept in Persian Music - the book
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:11:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel


In article <1992Nov10.002832.25863@ucselx.sdsu.edu> fbahrami@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Farhad Bahrami) writes:
>salAm doostAn,
>
>I'd love to travel around Iran on a ethnomusicolgical trip and record regional
>musics.  And being able to use computers would make research/documentation a
>lot easier.

a novel idea!  one could imagine producing an extravagant multimedia
application with graphics, video, cd quality sound, etc which takes the
user thru a roller coaster ride of classical persian music.  imagine: 'This is
called a Santoor, touch its icon to hear its sound.'  'Touch here for a
brief biography of JavAd Ma'roofi while listening to his piano
music'...

>
>You're right about Bach - but even though the west has kept longer record of
>their music than us, they also only go back about 500 years - small compared
>to the history of music (Chinese music's been documented for 4000 years!).
>And also, they don't _really_ know what Bach's (or ancient Chinese) instruments sounded like.    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

well sure, not *exactly* (since tape players didnt have record buttons
yet) but i thot there are plenty of 17th century violins, cellos,
harpsichords, organs, etc around which are fully functional today.
dont some of the players in period-instrument orchestras (st martin in
the fields, trevor pinnock's, philharmonia baroque, etc) use actual
antique (as opposed to replicas) instruments?  how old are stradivari?

>Keep up the good discussion.  Discussion aside,  I'm happy with the way our
>music has really blossomed, through the efforts of many fine musicians,
>especially in the past few years.  People like Alizadeh would not be
>composing the music they are without masters Vaziri/Saba/Khaleghy/...,
>in other words, the whole written and oral tradition behind them.
>What do you think?

absolutely.  they were trailblazers of their field.  i had the opportunity
to listen to mr zolfonoon give a lecture (and a little concert) a while
back.  the number of obstacles which they had to negotiate just to keep their
Persian Music Institution open was amazing.

btw, what is javaa ma'roofi up to these days?
 

>
>sepAs


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