From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows ... or perhaps alt.humor.ascii-art
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:38:41 GMT
Keywords: hi tim

durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell) writes:
:)In article <C094IC.MFF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) w
:)either.  Again -- Joel is either playing another joke or dumb.

In either case, generating this much traffic about his past isn't accomplishing
anything, since he's done it before and I'm sure someone has said something
about it then, too. Personally, I'd just put it in a kill file and be done
with it, but it's already changed subject lines three times.

:)>And in response I see countless numbers of people basically
:)>telling him to go away. Whatever he may have done in the past, please quit
:)>whining about it. If he's serious, which he's said that he is, then serious
:)>discussion is warrented. Whining won't help. 

:)If he's serious, given his track record, he's going to have to
:)prove himself before people will take him seriously.  This is a
:)valid attitude.  If I flunk out of university because I don't
:)take it seriously, they're going to be less likely to let me in
:)again.  Past actions count.

Then do what the university would do. Listen to what he has to say. If you
don't find him serious enough, ignore it. If you do, then discuss it.
Eventually, I'd bet a university would stop replying to a constant non-serious
request for admission, or at least just bounce a form letter each time and
be done with it.

:)>If this is another joke, the
:)>fact that he's done it before means he'll do it again, and whining about it
:)>won't help. 

:)True enough.  It's worth making readership aware of his past
:)record, but I think that's been done adequately.

Unfortunately on usenet, everyone has this need to say what they want to
say, even if it's been said thirty times already.  :)

:)>The key point here is that either way, whining about it won't
:)>help. So if you insist on bothering the readership of two gropus, could you a
:)>least please have a serious discussion about the proposed group and not about
:)>Joel? Thank you.

:)Uh, yeah, I know I'm a real annoyance and I'm sure these two

I never said you were an annoyance. Just the overdiscussion.  :)

:)cows.  Look, I don't think people who propose groups as a joke
:)should be listened to.

In that case, just don't listen, then. Or say anything back. That's all
I'm saying.

:)Joke alt groups are part of the reason
:)so many sites don't get the useful alt groups.  Therefore, I

True, but I doubt there are any admins ready to cancel alt groups if one
more silly one is created. I'd assume most make that decission when initially
setting things up, and that nothing much is gonna change about it without a
major change in the way news is run.

:)think Joel's motivations *are* fit topic for discussion.  We
:)really don't need another group that'll serve no purpose but
:)another place for Joel to cross-post.

Ahh, but this is the first mention of anything of the sort. Whether Joel
would use it for just cross-posting or not, an ascii-art group *actually*
isn't all that bad of an idea...

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