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From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
Subject: Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic
Organization: Vanderbilt University student of numerology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 02:16:10 GMT

To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings!

Now that some progress is being made on the subject of land allotment, I
shall complain about the horror of automobiles at the War.

Despite their threats, I did not hear of any cars being towed.  Far too
many cars were parked all over the roads, even when the weather was
good.  Far too many fighters were driven to and from battles (and I am
embarrassed that so many Meridien peers were among the guilty.)

With a gate at the right place, a fee of, say, $5 could be charged to
every vehicle entering the camping area.  (This year, a car had to go
through one end of the camping area to get off of the parking hill, but
a different arrangement would allow cars to run to town and back for
free, as long as they did not enter the camping area.)  Special
arrangements could be made for merchants and other special cases.  This
would encourage people to only drive into the camping area when they
arrived and when they left.

Combined with a more serious towing effort, and a few commercially
minded youths with pull-carts, we might be able to reduce one of the
worst eyesores at Pennsic.

(The parking area should also begin past the ridge of the hill - it was
awful having a parking lot visible on the next hill over from the Great
Chalk Horse.)

Comments, disagreement, vituperation, anybody?
-- 
    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Steel Demos
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:19:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714899065.F00003

"E>  Greetings from William de Corbie!
"E>
"E>  When people complain that SCA fighting doesnt look real enough, it is
"E>  not the rattan swords they are looking at. It's the armor. If you say
"E>  "medieval knights" to mundanes, they expect our fighters to look like
"E>  the knights they have seen in films and books.
"E>
"E>  Instead, they get a couple of guys in baseball-look open helms, dirty
"E>  gambesons, hockey gloves and various more or less incongruous bits...

Exactly!

And since milord is correct that all our dear fighters cannot afford better 
armor, I think it is a blessing if the good people of their shires see to it 
that somehow they have a nice surcoat to cover their "sins", much as the 
family of a poor knight must have done to save him dishonor.

(And hey, surcoats are cheap to make....)

Moreach 
 
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From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson)
Subject: Drachenwald to be kingdom
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 12: 34 MET DST
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:38:46 GMT

Tibor:
> I was under the impression that the paid membership of Drachenwald has
> already been polled.  But certain comments made me think this is an
> error.  Does anyone have the facts?

I have a paid foreign membership with the SCA, inc (from 1 Apr. 1992 to 30
Apr 1993). My address o file with the Registry is Swedish, so they should
have no  problem identifiying me as a Drachenwalder. I received the latest
issue of Pikestaff only a few weeks ago, and isn't in the process of
moving, so the address they have on file is probably correct. I have, as of
yesterday, not received a poll for Drachenwald going Kingdom. I have not
heard of anyone else whi has received such a poll. 

I think the principality seneschal wrote in the principality newsletter
that the poll will be sent out during September.
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From: dillon@world.std.com (John T Dillon)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Schtick
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:51:33 GMT

Hmmmmm,

  First it was Pennsic XX with Wyt and Science, you only needed a boffer club,
a jester's outfit, a bag with a severed head and an executioner's mask for that
one...  With about three months warning that wasn't a problem...

  Then it was the 1505 mumming and a boat.  Five months warning was enough
for the nine foot long, three masted, wood planked caravel...

  Then it was the Pennsic XXI mumming with two sedan chairs, 24 cardinal's 
robes and 48 white belts...  With two month's warning that was tight...
 
  For Pennsic XXII you want Pageant Wagons???.....  Pageant Wagons!!!...  
With only a year's warning!!!....  I presume you will want horses too....

  You promised you weren't going to start anything for six months!  You said 
the next project was going to be something simple like a castle...  Help...


A long suffering prop master...
 
  John McGuire


  Of course the frame wouldn't be hard, nor would the folding doors and the 
curtain controls, but getting sturdy wheels and an undercarriage cheaply,
now that would be a challenge.... balancing the wagon could be tricky, pageant
wagons were fairly tall... 

What am I saying?!!!  Where is that Pikestaff article on saying no 
gracefully?...  Remember "I will not volunteer", "I will not volunteer..."  
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From: brunner@lakota.ssd.loral.com (Brian Brunner)
Subject: leaf spring ballistae
Organization: Space Systems/Loral
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:30:48 GMT

Looking For:
Plans, notes, even anecdotes, about building a
ballista (crossbow on hormones and steroids) using a
vehicle leaf spring. Working models of rebar-throwing
devices are of interest. 
I am in the San Francisco Bay Area and also South Dakota.
By the way... has anybody got info on SCA activity in
SouthWest South Dakota?

Hrolf


-- 
Columbus didn't even `discover' that he got lost by 8,000 miles!
brunner@lakota.ssd.loral.com; Space Systems/Loral; Palo Alto, Calif.
From: Allen.Pitts@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Allen Pitts)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Smelly steel wagons at Pe
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:02:00 -0500

Godfrey!
I had feared you may have gotten lost on the return to Trimaris,
and am quite happy to see you here.  I bear good news, thanks to
your suggestions.  (huh...what suggestions you ask).
You suggested putting my crossbow bolts on a mat or cloth to make
handling them in speed rounds easier.  I also watched you do it and
noted that you consistently grabbed them about 2" above the
fletchings.  Well, I tried it.  The mat DOES indeed help, and the
place where you grab them makes it easier to slap them into the
groove with less fumbling.  Outshot of all this is that I now have
two Royal Round scores of 121!  The key was getting the speed.
I found also that front sights, while "legal", just get in the way
in speed rounds.  I took mine off before Pennsic and have no need
to replace them.
I hope that you have had more chances to shoot now that the move is
completed.  Much more to tell you about occurrances at Pennsic when
I may see you in person again.
Thanks for the tips!
In your debt,
Lord Ailean Mac an Daroch
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From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Request for info on Hurricane Relief Fund
Summary: Godfrey demonstrates what an absent-minded idiot he is...
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:04:04 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey.

Sorry to waste bandwidth, but the information on the relief fund for
SCAdians victimized by Hurricane Andrew expired from node smylex
before I thought to make a copy.

I'd like to present the information at this coming Tuesday's baronial
meeting, so could some kind gentle e-mail me the details?

Many many thanks in advance.

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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:50:49 GMT

>In article <c3tn02Nd1foh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
>branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:

>> A bunny round is actually a short Spanish half-round, initially popularized
>> by Radnor of Guildemar, and exceedingly popular among Guildemarians
>> (Radnor's household, squires, ex-squires, and ex-squire's squires). It's
>> also called the Radnor round.

In article <1992Aug28.174749.20425@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
>Yes, but what IS it?

It's a small heater shield with a rounded bottom.

Its supporters point out that it provides the defencive advantages of the
top corners of a heater, without the long bottom which is appropriate to a
cavalry shield but not necessary on foot.

Chacon a son gout.

Aryk

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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: A request for a bit of help
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 20:29:06 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  I wrote earlier:


> "Nikodemus", if I remember correctly, is the name of a demon.  That's not
> the kind of name we encourage, because we re-create medieval history.
> Thus, your name ought to be a name appropriate for a medieval human being,
> at some time and in some place.  (If my recollection is wrong, and
> "Nikodemus" is in fact a medieval human name, then it is completely proper
> for use in the SCA.)

In a private note (and possibly an article), Aryk noted that there is an
apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus.  That is probably sufficient documentation;
the New Testament and the apocrypha were common sources for names in the
Middle Ages.  Of course, it is always best to use a name that you _know_
was used in the time and place that interest you.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: patmcg@home.merit.edu (Pat McGregor)
Subject: Re: higlander ( was re:
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:18:24 GMT

Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt) writes:

> -=> Boris said to All on 08-18-92  08:36 <=- 

> Bo> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

> > Dinnae take anything authentic in Highlander to be authentic!


>But the castle!  The Seat of The MacRae! (Whose tartans are recognized by 
>Lyon as pre-1745, -including- the so-called "Prince Chas. Edward."

>                                                -Ioseph of Locksley
>                                                 Grumpy MacRae

>Whose wife is the Short MacRae, and whose cousin, Duke Deaton Claymore,
>is the BIG MacRae.......and a mess more in the local SCA......

  Sigh. We visited Eilean Donan while we were in Scotland. It's a lovely 
sight from a distance away, what with that lovely causeway and all. But 
it costs about $8 per person to get in, and it's all be done over in that
nasty ;-) 18th C. redecoration... sigh. And *another* lock of Bonnie
Prince Charlie's hair.
 
Seriously, after Caitlin introduced us to the joys of exploring small
Baronial castles, we happily spent our 3+ weeks in the UK exploring
35 or so castles, abbeys, etc....
 
We decided that for the most part, anyplace with people still living in it
isn't worth the admission -- they mostly have covered up all the interesting
"period" bits....
 
siobhan medhbh o'roarke


>... We are such stuff as Dreams are made of ............
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

> * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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Subject: Welsh Cookies
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:03:14

 DS> These cookies are not documented to the best of my knowledge.  
 DS> Except for the baking powder as a leavening agent all the 
 DS> ingredients would have been easily available in England 
 DS> and Wales in the 16th century.  A period substitute 
 DS> such as beer could be used instead of baking powder,
 DS> or the ingredient could be left out entirely without 
 DS> changing the taste of the cookies.
I'd suspect that there was *no* leavening at all -- most "cooky"
 recipes I've found in period cookbooks aren't leavened. 
 Shrewsbury Cakes, for example....
     Gwenllian CfM

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From: canton@robinson.ilog.fr (Eric Canton)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Agincourt ???
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:49:50 GMT
Distribution: rec.org.sca
Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France
In-reply-to: salley@niktow.canisius.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 22:26:32 GMT



Hadrian writes:
> The Heavies at Agincourt probably didn't have too much fun :-}
> The next time they went out to play and saw a host of archers
> they probably went home.   

Dagonell replies:

> The NEXT TIME ????  What next time?  There was NO next time for them!
> They were dead, finished, kaput, pushing up daisies, la morte, gone to
> that great big battlefield in the sky.  ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) 

Well, for one thing, it appears that Henri V would have preferred less
casualties and more prisonners done among the French nobles, for
financial reasons (I've no references at hand to back that).

Another is that the efficiency of the English bowmen, albeit a decisive
one, was not the only reason of their success. The French nobles were
fighting more for individual glory than for collective success, disorganised
their own ranks, put their mercenary crossbowmen in such a position as to
make them totally inefficient (between friendly lines, with crossbows!).
An out of date conception of war that did cost us "la fine fleur de la
chevalerie francaise".

Anyway, in the end, we won that war.

-- Claude de Montcastel 
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From: Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Subject: Anything in Champaign/Urbana Sept. 12-15th?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:35:07 GMT

Greetings, friends all!

Will there be any activity (events, meetings, etc) taking place in,
you guessed it, Champaign/Urbana, during that time period?

Thanks!

Enid Wrigglesworth
Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu
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From: MKNETTEL@kentvm.kent.EDU (Mary Knettel)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA at Kent, Ohio
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:21:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.9208281357.aa03490
Organization: The Internet

Greetings to Mike McConnell from Mary Knettel, Physics Dept.
AKA: Countess Genevieve du Vent Argent, Marche of Gwyntarian
the Kent, Ohio branch of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.

I know you didn't want to "step on any toes" in your 27 August
posting re: Covington Cross (I haven't seen the show and wouldn't
quarrel with you over that in any case) but are you a new reader
of the Rialto or have you not seen the FAQ's on the SCA?
We by no means attempt to create medieval "realism".

If Dr. Baird is the professor of Old English here at Kent who
was asked to be an advisor for the campus SCA group, this was
quite some years ago.  Our group was started in the 1974-75 AY
and finally left the campus in 1990.  I was the faculty/staff advisor
from 1985-1990 while we were still meeting on the campus, and have
been with the group since 1978.  Our group has grown and changed
quite a bit since the 70's, and I think that the level of authenticity
among individual members has improved, if not among the group as
a whole.  Indeed, some of our "best" members have been students
of Dr. Baird's.

If you are interested in checking out the local group, we meet
on Thursday nights at Fred Fuller Park.  We try to provide an
atmosphere where people who are interested in the middle ages can
get together and trade information, plan workshops, or work on
crafts/activities together.  We also host a Dance Night Revel on
the last Friday of the month.  We will be working with the Cleveland
group on a demo for the Baycrafter's Renaissance Faire, Bay Village, OH
(West Side of Cleveland) on Labor Day Weekend, if you are interested
in seeing the Cleveland-Akron-Kent area SCA in action.  One of our
members has prepared a display of period pigments used in
medieval manuscript illumination for Bruce Ferrini's Gallery
Medieval Manuscript exhibition and sale in Akron, OH -- the gallery
opening is this evening, and the exhibition, sale and workshops
will be held this weekend.  Members of the Kent-Akron and Cleveland
SCA will be hosting a new display at the Wonderful World of Ohio Mart
at Stan Hywett Oct. 3 & 4 called "Life Through the Ages" displaying
needlecrafts, leatherwork, armor, costuming, calligraphy & illumination
from the Gothic, Renaissance and Tudor periods, featuring a period
encampment and Renaissance dance demonstrations.

Kent, Ohio may not be a bastion of medieval realism, but some of
the members of the Marche of Gwyntarian have made great efforts to
improve their knowledge of the Middle Ages and Renaissance and to
share that information with others.

Genevieve du Vent Argent, Exchequer, Marche of Gwyntarian
(former Seneschal, Gwyntarian)
Middle Kingdom Clerk of Precedence
Mary Knettel, Dept. of Physics, Kent State University
mknettel @ kentvm.kent.edu
From: lcline@agora.rain.com (Larry Cline)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Greetings from Ravensnest
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:17:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Open Communications Forum


Greetings from Garrick Mayhew,

In article <1992Aug31.023841.13363@ultb.isc.rit.edu> pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay) writes:
>Greetings from Ravensnest and Lorin Francis Rinaud...
>
                ...
		
	>
>I am a user of an electric wheelchair <don't know what to call it scadian>
>and I've been thinking of how I could outfit it to be more period, and have
>not come up with many ideas.
>
>If any gentle out there has a thought or suggestion, I'd love to entertain it.
>

This may seem somewhat silly but I have seen one with a horse's various and
sundry parts.  It does have some drawbacks in close quarters but it is
entertaining.

Beyond that it seems that most people ignore the presence of the wheelchair,
as if you had just walked up and sat down.  Others I have seen with various
other fur and cloth coverings.

		       ...

>
>In Service,
>
>Lorin Francis Rinaud
>Elder Town Crier
>Ravensnest, Thescorre, East
>Campaigne Mercurie
>-- 

Garrick Mayhew
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From: tangent@silver.lcs.mit.EDU (John Tangent /o)
Subject: Introductions, Questions, and a Damsel in distress!
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:04:36 GMT


I bid all of Rialto Hello,
		       ,
	My name is Seanain and I will be here now and again, if My 
Lords and Ladies do not mind.  I am an Irishman from some were in
the twelth or thirteenth century.  My interests are more toward the 
crafts and sciences than toward fighting.  This is good because I 
lack the finanial where-with-all for such hobbies these days.

	As to the questions, I was hoping some good gentle could 
direct me in obtaining a copy of the "Known World Handbook".   I have
a borrowed copy from Lord Tristan Alexander which I need to return 
soon.  Also,  does any one know how blanket merchenting at the War 
works?  My room mate (who I am slowly converting to SCA) and I may
have some items to sell next year.

	And finally as to the Damsel in Distress.  Lady Karen (though
not yet sca I will use the title for her) is interested in the society
and will soon be moving to the city of Olympia out side of Seatle,
Washington.  Does any one know how she might get involved in the 
society there?  Please help if you can.

	Finally, if some one could add me to the mailing list version 
of Rialto I would be very greatful.  Please use the address:

	tangent@gnu.ai.mit.edu as I have too much mail at silver
already.  Also, please reply to me by mail rather than by post.

	Thank you all very much and may all things good come to thee.

Your friend,
    ,
Seanain of Erin
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From: Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Subject: Re: a thought
Summary: Just some trivia
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:42:35 GMT

>
>There is a historical reason for such a decision. Even homosexual royalty
>(and there were some; we were discussing one homosexual English king (Edward II?) here about a month ago) had queens or were bachelors. They certainly did 
>not rule with another male at their sides, as "queen". The job of Consort is 
>not related officially to the person`s sexual involvement with the Soverign.
>

There were several homosexual/bisexual English kings.
Richard Lionheart, supposedly, as well as Richard II.
Apparently, it wasn't considered all that unusual for a king,
on the grounds that marriages were seldom, if ever, for love,
or even ones where love was likely to occur, sexual gratification
with another woman was likely to produce illegitimate children who could
be the focus for rebellions, so for the ruling male to have sexual relations
with another male was, while not exactly encouraged, at least tolerated,
unless (as in the case of Edward II) the lover didn't get ideas in his head
about power, and the removel thereof from nobles...

For the life of me I can't remember _where_ I read this, but at the time it
made sense.  I have a vague feeling that it was in a book about 
court life in the 10th-14th centuries, but could be wrong.  (There's a
first for everything! ;-))

 Enid Wrigglesworth/
Ann Feeney

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From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Recast
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 18:51:51 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Lord Ailean Mac an Daroch wrote:
> 
> Might I suggest Master David McDougalls of Rivendell for the Robin
> Hood role.  [...]  he has been known as something of a rogue
> and a little different for years

A *LITTLE* different?  ;-)

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