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From: mehers@rutile.enet.dec.com (Damian Mehers)
Subject: Re: julian may and Fury (*spoilers*)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:08:55 GMT


There is a passage in JTB which seems to throw light on the identity of
Fury.  I don't remember is precisely, however...

When Hydra is planning how to kill Mark on the Ice-Bike race, 'it' says that
there is no risk of Fury interfering because it will be in the stands watching
the race.  There were only two Remillards watching the race - Denis and Rogi.

My (current) guess is that it is Denis...

	Damian
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Venus on the Half-Shell
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:26:50 GMT

In <01GPQQIM2PBQ90MUJL@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU> FAC_PDEIGL@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU writes:
>Kilgore Trout is a recurring character in the novels of Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.  He
>writes science fiction novels and one of these is called Venus on the Half-Shell.  In 1975 a book was published by Dell called Venus on the Half-Shell, written
>by Kilgore Trout.  The real author, however, is Philip Jose Farmer.  I have a
>few questions about all this and I would appreciate any information you have to
>share.  Why was the book written by Farmer and not Vonnegut?

Vonnegut didn't want to.  Farmer wrote it as a pastiche I believe (though
I could have the wrong technical term).

>							What is the
>relationship between Vonnegut and Farmer?

Reportedly Vonnegut wasn't too happy with the product, or with Farmer.
Having already given permission though, he was out of luck.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
               The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent;
   that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard
      to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus.
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From: digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:36:06 GMT

I would love to see the "Ellenium" series by David Eddings(sp) put to the
playscreen.  It's your basic fantasy adventure mix in with lots of humor.

later,
doug

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From: rshelswe@socs.uts.edu.au (92089248 r   shelswell)
Subject: Re: Heinlein reference in Sturgeons "The Golden Helix"
Reply-To: rshelswe@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:17:26 GMT

rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:

 >  Some 22 pages into the short story "The Golden Helix" by
 >Theodore Sturgeon I read the following lines: 
 >
 >  "Then an old, old tale tale flashed into his mind, an early thing
 >from the ancient Amerenglish, by Hynlen (Henlyne, was it? no matter)
 >about a man who tried to convey to humanity a description of the
 >superbeings who had captured him, with only his body as a tablet and
 >his nails as a stylus. Perhaps he was mad at the time he finished, 
 >but his message was clear at least to him: 'Creation took eight 
 >days'. ".
 >
 >  This clearly a Heinlein reference but where is it from?
 > 

This is a reference to a short story by Heinlein called
from Memory 'Goldfish Bowl'... I think it was also originally
called 'Creation Took Eight Days', or something of the sort
(I don't have my library with me).  I won't tell you the story;
it would spoil it if you wanted to read it.  Quite a good one,
although a bit predictable.

--
   "Rely on nothing under    -  rshelswe@socs.uts.edu.au       -
    heaven.  Rely only       |  Ryan Shelswell, UTS,           |
    on the Self."            -  Sydney, Australia.             -
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From: cpf@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Courtenay Footman)
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan's "THE SHADOW RISING" (spoilers!)
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:06:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.192916.24631@ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
>bell@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>
>>In article <uprao.718309650@mcl>, uprao@mcl.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao) writes:
>>>  Summary: BIG book, I was a bit disappointed.
>>> 
>>> SPOILERS BELOW!  Don't read any furthur unless you've read the book.
>
>>      You have to remember that Nynaeve, Egewene and Elayne are supposed to
>>be the strongest Aes Sedai to come around for a long time.  It's very
>>possible that Forsaken (forget her name) was overconfident and was cocky and g
>>got beaten. 
>I don't think she was cocky, I just think she was overmatched. The Forsaken
>aren't stronger, they're just well practiced. The Forsaken, I won't try to
>spell the name w/o the book, and Nynaeve will at a dead stand still until
>Nynaeve hit her with something to break her concentration. After all, these
>three women are supposed to be some of the strongest Aes Sedai in a long long
>time. My question is, what happened to the Forsaken? Did the Bale Fire get her?
>
Moghedien was not hit by the balefire.  That was explicitly stated.  I think
that she knew how to break out of a shield, and had the will power to do so.
Lanfear says that to break through a shield, one must be willing to accept
pain.  Moghedien is such a coward, that in her desperation to escape, she
was willing to accept quite a bit of pain.  Nyneave's baiting her gives
her some incentive, too.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Courtenay Footman			I finally got back on the net.

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Language (was: Time) and the New Sun
Keywords: Wolfe TBOTNS English Language
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:52:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk (C.E. Thompson):
>What relationship does the language spoken by Severian bear to English?

Essentially none.  What we see as English in the text is the language
spoken in the unthinkably remote future.  What we see as Latin is an
almost-as-remote language which, by Severian's time, is dead-but-
respected -- like Latin in ours.  (Did you notice that Valeria's
translations from the 'Latin' are faulty?)

>Father Inire is made to say to Domnina: "Yet even though light is so 
>weightless we have given its name to that condition...". This pun only 
>makes sense in English or *very* closely related languages...

There will be people in the remote future who, like Wolfe and others
today, will have a love of language.  Should Wolfe avoid wordplay
in his characters' speech?  Or give us wordplay that fails completely,
with a footnote to the effect that it's brilliant in the original
language?  There's no good answer for this.  Treating that language
as if it were English, and giving us derivations that work for English,
seems a legitimate decision, though not perfect.  We are being given
the feel of the character's speech, though it could be that in the
'actual' language, the connection being made is between 'light' and
'freedom', to offer a random example.

>"The dawn-men ... renamed it [Mars] Present. That was a jest in their 
>tongue for the same word meant both _Now_ and _The Gift_. Or so one of 
>my tutors once explained the matter to my sister and me, though I do not 
>see how any language could endure such a confusion."
>
>So how is one to reconcile the two passages? 

Again, I don't see a problem.  The speech tells us about the speaker,
not about the language.  Besides, the language in question here is
neither English nor the language of Severian's time.  To which we add
that the speaker's philology (and her tutors') may well be suspect.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.
From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:47:21 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell) writes:

>In article <9210140917.aa10164@msi8500.micros.com> mike@micros.COM ("Michael J.  
>Lonski") writes:

> > I remember a short story in a collection, (Alan Dean Foster's "With Friends
> > Like These..."???), where a human gets into a conversation with a group of
> > aliens at a bar.  These aliens are technoligically superior but mention
> > being wary of humans because we use the same possesive, (ex. my father, my
> > car, my hand), for everything whereas they differentiate between all of
> > these cases.  To them, this makes the human's reactions very unpredictable
> > and therefore unsafe to meddle with.					 
>						
>Actually, I think it was an anthology of Larry Niven's early stuff 
>(Before he came up with Known Space).  The name of the book escapes me, 
>although the aliens were called something like "Chirpsithtra".

This was the _Draco Tavern_ series of stories. They were spread threw
a few colections, I think they are in Convergent Series, and Limints.
They should also be in N Space And Playgrounds Of The Mind

--Zach  Zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu 

There are worlds out there where the sky is burning.  The sea's
asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of sound.
Somewhere there's danger. Somewhere there's injustice.
Somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on Ace, we've got work to do."
                                    -The Doctor "Survival"
From: EBARRANT@ucrvm2.BITNET (Gabriela Barrantes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Podkayne of Mars
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:39:48 GMT

Hi,
   Is it true that two different endings for _Podkayne of Mars_ by Robert
Heinlein exist?
   I only have one version, could anybody summarize both of them for me?

                                     Thanks

Gabriela Barrantes Sliesarieva
Costa Rica - Central America
From: uprao@mcl.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The Shadow Rising - Robert Jordan **SPOILERS**
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:57:25 GMT
Reply-To: uprao@mcl.ucsb.edu
Organization: U.C. Santa Barbara

In <1b31h2INNlvv@agate.berkeley.edu> mjw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Marshall Wang) writes:

>>The Shadow Rising is a great read!
>>
>>Spoilers below!  
>>
>

>>2. How Shaitan got loose. I had no clue.

>	Well, Lanfear drilled the hole open, and Lews Therin had to seal
>it up.  Right now, I think he's still stuck in there.  Unfortunately,
>we probably won't really "see" him until the last book.

Lews Therin died in the first one, at the prologue.  Re-read it, its a great
part.

--
parik rao				        prao@cs.ucsb.edu or rao@cmc.com
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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:40:41 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Bw2uBL.9LF@ansoft.com> ott@ansoft.com (nancy ott) writes:

>Just imagine the merchandising tie-ins.  Fax, F'nor, and F'lar Action
>Figures.  An entire product line of flame throwing dragons with
>riders.  Spray-on Thread (a la Silly String).  Not to mention the
>Benden Weyr and Ruatha Hold Play Sets (batteries and dragons not
>included).  For the girls, there's Lessa in Riding Gear, Impression
>Robe, Drudge Rags, and Festival Gown.  Plus a golden plush Ramoth who
>lays eggs that hatch tiny dragons.  And let's not forget a soundtrack
>album that has no relation to anything that went on in the movie, and the
>obligatory Saturday morning cartoon spinoff.

Yeah, but I'd buy them, as embarrassing as it is to admit. And you forgot
the comic book adaptation, the comic book series, and the movie adaptation
novel for kids with pictures from the movie.

--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
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From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Heinlein reference in Sturgeons "The Golden Helix"
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 03:23:22 GMT

rowe@soda.glorantha.berkeley.edu (Eric Rowe) writes:

>Well, unless Anson MacDonald is a pseudonym of Heinleins this reference is
>incorrect. I have the story Goldfish Bowl in Groff Conklin's _The Golden Age
>of Science Fiction_. It has _Goldfish Bowl_ by Anson MacDonald published in
>Astounding Science Fiction in 1942. I don't know where people are getting
>all these other references from.

Heh heh.  In one of those Heinlein tributes, some Great Remaining Author
(sorry, that's how I think of them these days) told how they read some of
Heinlein's first pulp stories, saying something like "none of the other
authors were quite as captivating as Heinlein, except maybe Anson MacDonald
or ...", going on to list the pseudonyms that RAH used in the early years.

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
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From: leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y)
Subject: Re: SF Novels That Would Make Great Films
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:01:49 GMT

In article <asnpy4b@lynx.unm.edu>, xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt) writes:
 > donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
 > 
 > >or how about a Robert Anton Wilson adaptation?
 > 
 > Illuminatus! : The Movie? :=)
 > 
 > -- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig

That is one movie we can be completely confident will *never* see release.
Maybe.

I mean, can you just picture the press releases in advance of the film?
The inexplicable "things" happening during filming and editing?
And even if all the tecnical stuff worked out.....

Just try to imagine the posters.  Can you?  I'm trying.

"ILLUMINATUS!" in lights?

No.  Please, gods, no.

  ;^)

Leif Kj|nn|y
leifmk@lise.unit.no
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From: charless@sco.COM (Charlie Stross)
Subject: Re: Interzone
Organization: SCO Technical Waffle and Blurb Department
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 08:59:20 GMT


In article <13007@ecs.soton.ac.uk> jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN) writes:
>
>  Hi, 
>  
>    In several of my paperbacks I can see a reference to a magazine
>called 'Interzone', which I believe is published in Brighton(UK).
>Does anyone out there subscribe to this magazine, and, if so, could 
>you send me current details, as mine are several years old. 
>    Plus send details of the magazine, if you can reccomend it. 
>
>                jon 
>        jdng90@uk.ac.soton.ecs 
>
>

Interzone; the only _real_ British SF magazine.  The one with the
greatest amount of street-cred since Mike Moorcock was editing
New Worlds in the sixties.

Interzone was set up in 1981 (?  or was in '82?) with the aid of
a donation from the surplus left over after a major convention.
At the time, there were no SF magazines in the UK -- period.  It
was initially edited by a collective including Roz Kaveneny, John
Clute, Colin Greenland, and others -- basically the heaviest SF
literati and critics in the land.

During the period 1984-87, internal conflicts raged between the
editors.  The main bone of contention was the direction in which
Interzone should go.  One the one hand, there was a critical
faction who wanted to establish a reputation for remorseless
literary excellence; this group dominated the magazine initially,
but were eventually displayed by the second group, consisting of
Dave Pringle, who simply wanted to run a damn' good SF magazine,
without any pretensions to be something more.  Pringle now runs
Interzone, but the wounds are still bleeding and there are people
who talk ill of one another behind their backs as a result of the
feud.

Under Pringle's editorship, Interzone has matured into a monthly,
A4-sized, colour-covered SF magazine.  Content-wise it is about
equivalent to one of the US digests, with a balance between new
writers and `names'.  Unlike the digests, Interzone doesn't
serialize novels.  Newsstand distribution is patchy but exists --
look for it in big branches of W.  H.  Smiths, and specialist
outlets like Forbidden Planet.

A subscription costs (or cost a few months ago) #24 for a year
(twelve issues).  I think the main editorial address has changed,
but a letter of enquiry to 124 Osborn Road, Brighton, BN1 6LU,
enclosing a stamped, self-addressed envelope, should at least
yield a subscription form.

((( Disclaimer: I have been published in Interzone, but I'm not
on the payroll. )))


-- 
Charlie Stross aka charless@scol.sco.com ..... UNIX oriented text mangler
WARNING: The opinions voiced in the preceding electronic document are the
product of a warped mind. Take two before meals. 
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From: rica@cellar.org (Rica Fredrickson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Yet More on Languages in SF&F
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:44:28 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

mike@micros.COM ("Michael J. Lonski") writes:
> I remember a short story in a collection, (Alan Dean Foster's "With Friends
> Like These..."???), where a human gets into a conversation with a group of
> aliens at a bar.  These aliens are technoligically superior but mention
> being wary of humans because we use the same possesive, (ex. my father, my
> car, my hand), for everything whereas they differentiate between all of
> these cases.  To them, this makes the human's reactions very unpredictable
> and therefore unsafe to meddle with.
> 
I forget the title but I'm pretty sure this was Niven, in a collection
of stories about the <chirp>sithra.  (Did I spell that right? :-)

--Rica Ashby Fredrickson (rica%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com)
"We're not askin' for special favors....  No one's free until everyone is."
                                             (Lynn Thomas)
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From: pete@arl.wustl.edu (Peter Flugstad,,,)
Subject: Glenn Cook & The Black Company
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.misc
Keywords: Glenn Cook, Black Company
Reply-To: pete@arl.wustl.edu
Organization: Applied Research Lab, Washington University in St. Louis
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:14:29 GMT

Does anyone know if Glenn Cook is still writing the Black Company books.  
His last one, "Shadow's Linger" (I think?!?),  is the 6th or 7th book in the series,
 and came out at least 2 years ago. The next one should be called 
"Glittering Stone".  Any information at all about Glenn Cook and the 
Black Company books would be much appreciated.

Please e-mail a reply to the address below as I don't normally read these groups.
Thanks a lot.

---
Pete Flugstad				| Internet: pete@arl.wustl.edu
Applied Research Laboratory		| Tel: (314) 935-6110
Department of Computer Science		| "To err is Human, to really 
Washington University in St. Louis	|  foul up requires a computer"

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From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey)
Subject: Re: Vance
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:52:14 GMT

Michael Lerner writes:

   I found a Jack Vance book called "Wyst: Alastor 1716" on my Dad's bookshelf.
   It's a first time in print novel, (c) November 1978.  Is it worth my time
   to try to sell  the book?  I'm guessing it may be worth something since most
   of Vance's stuff is hard to come by, and it's first ed.  Also, it looks like
   an interesting plot, I think I'll read it! ;)

You must be hard up.  Don't expect to get rich, even if it's in mint
uncracked condition.

Vance isn't *that* hard to find.  Regular sweeps in urban bookstores
and at the occasional con dealer's table will round up all the Alastor
books, the Pnume books, and anything else you care to think of by
Vance.

Fishing coins from fountains will make you rich faster than selling
used paperback books.


Elizabeth Willey
From: x90dempsey1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The Shadow Rising - Jordan (Spoilers)
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:50:55 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In response to some questions asked previously:

Q: Who is the daughter of the nine moons?

A: (Guess) I recall something mentioned by Lady Suroth(Sp?) ( the new
    leader of the Seanchans ). She referred to the throne as the throne
    of the nine moons ( I think; I read the book pretty fast). perhaps
    Mat will marry the daughter of the Seanchan emperor/emperess.
    From what I read, I don't think the Seanchan are working for the
    Dark One,  I think they are being used as dupes.  Perhaps, if Mat
    marries the daughter,  he can get them to help fight against the
    Dark One.  
    
    I also remember some references of the raven being the symbol of
    the Imperial family of Seanchan.  The man with the raven on his
    shoulder supposedly belonged to the royal family because of the
    raven.  Doesn't Mat's spear-sword have a raven on the blade?

Q: Is Elaida black ajah?

A: In Shadow Rising, it mentions that she had a foretelling that the
   royal house of Andor will be the key to battling the Dark One.
   She just seems to be so concerned with Elayne not getting hurt
   that she can't see anything else.  perhaps she doesn't believe
   in the Dragon. I don't think Elaida is black ajah, but some of
   her supporters probably are.

Q: How did Couladin get his dragons?

A: Since the real dragons are marks created by Aes Sedai from the age
   of legends and Asmodean was an Aes Sedai from the age of legends,
   I don't find it to hard to believe that he could duplicate them.
   Didn't it say that Asmodean( who was Natael at the time ) spent
   more time with the Shaido that the group Rand travelled with?
   Couladin will probably try to lead the Aiel.  Since the people
   are now divided (those who believe Rand and those who don't) perhaps
   this is the breaking.

recap:  Samael is in Illian, I can't recall who is in Caemlyn, Rhavin?
        Moghedien is still loose (I still can't believe Elayne and
        Nynaeve didn't just still them when they had the chance; 
        they were obviously guilty, and since they couldn't bring them
        to trial, why not take care of them the best you can? When
        you have enemies that powerful, you can't just let them go!)

        Another thing I couldn't believe is Perrin.  He can identify
        everyone else by smell, but he couldn't identify Luc?  It 
        mentioned his scent as being non-human both in the real world
        and in the dream world, so why couldn't he put one and one 
        together?  Is he stupid or is Jordan just trying to upset me?



 - Daniel Dempsey

I won't put my sig. on anything I haven't read first.