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From: gwynne@stein.u.washington.edu (Kristan Geissel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: TV and Real Life (WAS Re: 20/20 SPANKING COMPLAINT)
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:21:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.212124.5840
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <25598@optima.cs.arizona.edu> shack@cs.arizona.edu (David Shackelford) writes:

>In fact, I also want to compliment
>them (20/20) for showing parents doing ANYTHING to control their kids.  Too
>many TV "families" consist of kids who do whatever they want and
>parents who make no effort to control their kids behavior.
>

My father has a saying about this 1/2 shows (Full House, Family Ties,
Growing Pains, Brady Bunch, Leave It To Beaver, Father Knows Best, Donna
Reed, ad nauseum) that never made much sense to me until I started 
watching these shows with my daughter (please-no TV comments).

He classified these shows in this way: Dumb Father, Smart Mother and 
Smarter Kids.  In most cases, these sitcoms have followed this pattern.
Kid Gets Into Trouble, Mom Worries and Finally Realizes the "Right
Thing To Do, Father Jumps Up and Down and Gets Mad.  Show ends with the
kid figuring out what he/she did wrong, Mom got a chance somewhere to
say or look "I told you so" to the Dad and the Dad ends up looking 
sheepish.  

I never see much of any punishment in these sitcoms.  There may start
out to be but by the end of the show the adult in charge usually 
voids the punishment or the kid weasels out of it somehow (usually by
"being good".  

Luckily, I have a daughter who only wishes she lived like people did on 
TV because of the clothes they wear.  She also, at 9.5 years old, knows
that a problem at home is never solved in 30 minutes and that these
ACTORS are not portraying real life or real situation.  They may raise
real questions which she and I discuss but she rarely pays any attention
to the TV conclusions.

Kristan
gwynne@u.washington.edu
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Services - worth it ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:04:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: gargoyle.owens.721325099
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In <EezN0zq00VB1M49nw_@andrew.cmu.edu> mh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mary Hart) writes:

> Environmentally speaking, I felt good about using cloth rather than 
> disposables, and that was worth a lot to me.

Recent analysis (See the Friday, October 24th New York Times or the
November 1992 Consumer Reports; this also from personal communication
with a friend at the EPA) makes it appear that the environmental
issues in the cloth-vs-disposables decision are more complex than we
had thought.

The major environmental bad actors for disposables are water pollution
resulting from the bleaching of the raw materials, and landfill use.
The bad actor for cloth is water use and sewage generation from the
washing.  Some of the articles cite the gasoline burned by diaper
service delivery trucks, but I'll bet that applies equally to cloth
and disposables.

The upshot of this appears to be that which is "worse" environmentally
depends upon where you live.  If you live in a region with scarce
water (e.g. California), disposables may be a better choice, since
water is a bigger problem than landfill.  If you live in a region with
an acute landfill crisis (e.g. the Northeast), then cloth may be a
better choice.

Interestingly, recent landfill excavations cited in the NYT article
suggest that disposable diapers are between 0.5 and 2 percent of the
solid waste stream.  Relative to, for example, newspapers, which make
up up to 40 percent of the solid waste stream, the impact of
disposables appears to be minor. 

As for raw materials, the Consumer Reports article states that the
paper pulp used in disposables comes from trees farmed for this
purpose, and not from old-growth natural forests.  Disposables use
some plastic, which comes from non-renewable petrochemical sources.

Personally, the landfill impact of disposables doesn't bother me.
What does bother me is the chemical runoff from bleaching all that
pulp.   Who needs a sparkling white diaper, when natural tan would do
just fine?  In particular, who cares if the inside, hidden layers of a
disposable are gleaming white?

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be much of a market for
unbleached disposables, since most people who are committed to
environmental causes have made the reasonable, but apparently
incorrect, assumption that disposables are completely unacceptable,
and hence use cloth diapers.

I'm hoping that wider awareness of these issues will result in a
market for a more environmentally-friendly disposable diaper,
specifically one that is made from unbleached fiber.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:02:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.014409.2553@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>
>Yes, this makes you say strange things like "no you can't help
>clean up that mess." But then I say stuff like "settle down
>or you won't be sleeping on the floor tonight" or "don't worry
>I promise we won't do the dishes while you're sleeping" so often
>I only rarely notice how weird they sound.
>
>Parenthood...
>
Gee, I thought I was the only one who said those things :) :).

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Cutting baby hair
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:37:48 GMT

Are there special safe scissors for cutting kids hair?  I'm looking for
something that is rounded at the tip so I don't poke my baby by mistake.

diana
From: barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Age, aging, and appearance
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:41:42 GMT
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada

In article <3934@wyse.wyse.com> donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302) writes:
>In article <1dei8bINNjpv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>>
>>There's the common practice of estimating a person's age from physical
>>appearance.  There were some postings from people in their twenties who
>>
[stuff deleted]
>
>I, too, look a lot younger than I am.  Unfortunately, I haven't enjoyed
>it too much.  At 21, I had my daughter.  Everyone thought I was a high-
[stuff deleted]

	And then there's the other side of the coin.  My Mom had my
	sister when she was 42 (I was 23, my brother 21, she was a 
	very welcome oops).  Whenever we went out shopping together
	people always assumed the baby was mine.  My Mom is very 
	young looking but....nonetheless....she was getting pretty
	tired of people making assumptions and comments based on
	those assumptions.  Finally, one day....after the umpteenth
	time someone asked if Amy was her granddaughter....she said,
	"No, she's my sister.  Sometimes my Mom lets me take her out."
	Smiled and walked away. 
	
	I thought this was perfect.  I'm still smiling about it...14
	years later.
	
	
					|
					|  I have no problem 
	Barbara				|  with temptation...
					|  unless it's something
					|  I can't resist.
					|
					|
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Subject: Re: sleeping in child care
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:10:40 GMT

In article <27214@dog.ee.lbl.gov> lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger) writes:
>I'm having a problem and wondering if anyone else out there has
>any insight, or has experienced something like this . . .
>. . . a fairly new problem --- pretty much since we started sharing
>with this baby about two months ago. It's not extreme -- he does
>nap, just not as long (for me he usually naps two hours plus, for
>her maybe 1.5 hours or less, but the difference is significant
>for his mood in the evening).

Brendan (15 months) is the same way.  At daycare (4 days/week) he
only naps for .5 to 1 hour while at home he naps 1.5 to 2.5 hours.
On daycare days he often has to have a second nap at home after my
husband picks him up in the afternoon.  I think it's a combination
of stimulation, other kids, no Mommy and different surroundings
that causes him to sleep less.  He's a grouch in the evenings if
he doesn't get enough naptime  >:-|

So in your case you may want to get him to take another nap in
the afternoon/early evening after you/SO get home to get him in
a better mood. 

Good luck,
Laurel
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From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Corporate Lactation: A New Employee Benefit
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:32:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
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        Corporate Lactation Specialist
        408/923-MILK

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From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You know you're pregnant when...
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:51:24 GMT
Organization: Lakewood Corporation


...you have to close your eyes during restaurant commercials on TV.


Brighid					mom-to-be, 5/15/93
brighid@bass.lkw.com
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Spanking (no flame thread)
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:36:57 GMT

NOTE:  I'm starting a new thread about pros/cons of spanking (I'm only
contributing cons).  If you feel the need to respond to a post in this
thread with a flame, please change the subject line.

This is from "Family Rules" by Kenneth Kaye (w/o permission, of
course)

"Nonetheless, it is best to avoid spanking.  Although it is neither
illegal nor immoral, there are many arguments against it:

--If you never hit your child, period, then you won't have to worry
about were to draw the line.  Severe spankings to hurt.  They are done
in anger.  The angrier you are, the harder you hit.  There is no clear
boundary between serious corporal punishment and physical abuse.

--If parents spank with the intention of not really hurting the
child--the "patt on the butt" many parents use with preschoolers--then
the child soon realizes that the spankings are not serious.  You want
the child to know you _are_ serious.


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ishizaki@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Audrey Ishizaki)
Subject: Re: Big = Good?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:26:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

>In article <1992Oct30.133340.23811@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  Well my son is almost 21-months old and probably not even 25 lbs.,
>  although he's gained lately.  He's always been in the 10% range
>  for height and weight, but 50% for head circumference.  I'm

Hmm...  my son is about 1yr2mo old; at 13 months he weighed about 18lb13oz.
He's also consistently weighed in at the 10-20%ile, his height has usually
been in the 20-40%ile and his head at the 50-65%ile!

I know of another "happa" (half asian, half caucasian) baby who has similar
numbers.  I know that Clare's baby is also a "mixed" baby.  An anecdotal
trend of big-headed (w.r.t. the rest of their measurements) babies?

My son, Dale has always been on the small end of the charts (except for his
head).  He was born 6lb7oz and 20"; he's still breastfed (he's allergic to
milk).

Anyone else have a baby who gets hives from *contact* with cow's milk (and
yogurt, but not cheese)?  Did they outgrow it?  When?

audrey ishizaki

ps: and don't get me started about night terrors! 3 times in one week!
From: davids@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (David Schwantner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What is a spanking (Re: Our parents and spanking)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 10:42:34 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <24154@alice.att.com> llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.171301.26549@cs.brown.edu> mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine) writes:
>>In article <3156@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
>>>One time my mother (in a rage) took a hairbrush to my brother.
>>
>>When I was young, my mother (in a rage) spanked my bare bottom with a
>>hairbrush.  Only problem -- she used the bristle end -- and had to spend
>>about 15 minutes carefully removing the bristles from my butt.  Kind
>>of overkill, I think.
>Gee, these examples here fall into my definition of a beating, not a
>spanking.  To me, at least, a parent who has lost control or is venting
>rage isn't spanking.
>
>So... For those folks who DO spank, or believe that spanking is sometimes
>useful, even if they haven't had to.... can you define a "spanking"?
>I don't think we can talk rationally without a working definition.
>
>I'll give it an initial stab:  a spanking is a bare hand applied 
>once or several times to the rear end or open bare hand of a recipient
>which creates a stinging or slightly painful sensation.
>
My only changes would be:
- Only use the bare hand if a switch (a very thin, green stick - maybe
1/8") can absolutley not be found. A bare hand could cause damage and
real lasting pain. The purpose is just a lingering stinging sensation.

- Do not spank on the bare bottom, as the purpose of spanking is not
to cause shame, which an exposed bare bottom will tend to bring. The back
of the thigh is more accessable, _less_ shaming (and not shaming at all
if spanking is always done in private), and ussually jsut as padded, to
protect from muscle and blood vessel damage. 

I guess for some people talking about this so openly may be somewhat crude,
but this whole forum is for open discussion, and if you are afraid to
be open about things you do with your kids, you probably should re think
whether they are right or whether you are too proud!

(note: I have really appreciated this discussion, as it has caused me to
be very thoughtfull and more secure in how I live with and raise my kids!
Thanks to everyone!!)

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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Long-sleeved Onesies
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:00:29 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1992Nov11.023825.7305@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns) writes:
|> If you are looking for some deluxe onesies (really nice little shirts), try
|> Gap Kids (label name is baby gap). I just bought some and love them, but
|> they're a lot more than the ones from Gerber or Carter. They have a good
|> sale rack at our local store, though; you can get things much cheaper 
|> than usual. 

When Will was a couple of weeks old, we were given a beautiful bright 
flowered Baby Gap bubble-shaped garment. It looks much better than the 
usual insipid pastels. He's now a tall 6 months old, and it's a onesie 
now, a little small now that he's into size medium. 

Whatever it cost, it was a pretty good deal, since it spanned both the 
newborn size and size small! Sturdy, too.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:49:34 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Originator: miki@aftac1.llnl.gov


In article <8ezyfV200UhWE2wks2@andrew.cmu.edu>, 
jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso) writes:

i can't believe i have missed this great thread..did anyone save it?

|> In response in lots of stories about kids "not matching" their parents--
<..deleted judi's story about an encounter at the mall where well-being
strangers comment about how her children don't look like her...>

my husband and i get this type of stuff all the time. i am 100% 
japanese, rod is 100% caucasian with lots of freckles and red
hair. our kids are typical "hapa"..i think they actually look
sort of italian myself... olive skin, dark eyes but caucasian.
we have developed thick skins with respect to these comments..
gee Rod, no one could tell they are your kids...what did the
mailman look like?.. 

we mentioned to a close friend that laura's
hair has definite red highlights and she has 10 freckles across
her nose. we were thrilled..our friend didn't realize that and
sympathized with us (turned out she dislikes red hair). she is
still a friend.


-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
-- 
Miki Moore
Lawrence Livermore National Labs
All opinions are those of the author only
miki@aftac1.llnl.gov
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car seat battles (13 mos)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:05:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <92314.100920CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>Over the last month Doug (13.5 mos) has developed a fierce determination not
>to get into his carseat.  At first, I thought this was related to a new
>daycare and associating the car with daycare, but now he fights even when I
>pick him up in the evening.  I assume this is just one of those
>"independence" stages, but how long can I expect it to last?  Any hints in
>the meantime to make things easier?  I have tried explaining before we leave
>the house that we are going to get into the car, not play (he loves to play
>outside).  Usually we start the morning with me forcefully holding him down
>and strapping him in.  Once he is strapped in he stops complaining and will
>ride fairly contentedly.

We went through this with Angelica. I'm not sure if we 'solved' the problem
or if we just appealed to an emerging development stage (the "mine" stage,
which seems to override every other stage she's gone through in the last
1.5 years ...). Anyway, we brought the carseat in the house, put it in the 
living room and it was "her" chair. You know, the couch is daddy's, the 
armchair is mommy's, the carseat is hers (she had several other little
chairs that were hers too, didn't force her to sit there). It seemed
to cause her to identify with the carseat, though.

The other thing we did one particularly fussy day when she was about 2 and
completely refusing to stay in the seat, was an object lesson. Your child
may be a bit young for this, but it was very effective. Do it in a parking lot
for safety. First she sat in my lap and her dad drove _real_ slow but stopped 
abruptly so her head went towards the dashboard (no it didn't hit). "See, when
you're not in your seat and you don't have your straps on, if daddy has
to stop the car fast you might get hurt." She was real attentive. Then we
strapped her in the seat in the center of the back seat so she could see
the front passenger seat, and did the same thing but with her doll on my lap.
And going faster and stopping faster. The doll's head did hit the dashboard,
hard. Then we had to make a big fuss over the doll's "broken head" and how
much it hurt the doll. And how she was in her seat and the same bump that 
hurt the doll's head didn't hurt her at all. She understood that completely,
for a while she insisted on having the doll strapped in the seat with her
(a rag doll so I don't think it was dangerous to do that). Any time since then
that she has raised objections to the car seat or being strapped in, we 
remind her that the reason she has to sit in the car seat is so she won't get
hurt. She always stops complaining after that (we do make sure the straps
are comfortable, sometimes they get really twisted and the problem is 
comfort instead of the seat.)

Susan




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carolyn@bucket.rain.com (Carolyn Peterson)
Subject: Re: toy storage
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x
Distribution: na
Date:  9 Nov 92 22:12:00 GMT

tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:

>My only advice is to look carefully at what you need to store (do you
>need bins, wide shelves, what?), 

If you decide to go with shelving or bookcases, it's a good idea to
bolt them to the wall even if you aren't in "earthquake country" 
Our youngest daughter would look at a bookcase and see a ladder
waiting to be climbed.  She was going up to the top shelf in 7' high
bookcases to get things we thought were out of her reach.  We were
lucky the bookcase didn't topple over on her, but have heard of
other parents (& children) who were not as fortunate.










>-- 

>Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
>tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
>                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

> "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
> children become humane and strong."
> 
>              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Disneyland Hints
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: nb.1992Nov5.212309.11318
Organization: Rockwell International


In article <1992Nov5.181638.11397@das.harvard.edu>, albert@endor.uucp (David Albert) writes:
> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
> 
> >>	Space Mountain
> >Don't go on this twice in a row if you're prone to motion sickness.


NOT TRUE!! It depends on the type of motion that makes you sick.  My husband
doesn't even like elevators he gets so motion sick but this doesn't bother him.


> 
> Don't go on this ever, even once, in your entire life, no matter how
> long you live, if you're prone to motion sickness....
> 
> >>	Mad Tea Party
> >The secret here is not to teach your children about spinning the tea cups.
> >Just sit and enjoy.
> 
> If you're prone to motion sickness, don't do this one either.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> David Albert				  | Illegitimi non carborundum est.
> albert@das.harvard.edu		 	  |


As always your milage may vary but my sister gets motion sick on Star Tours.

Karen
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