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From: trw@unixland.natick.ma.us (Tim Weil)
Subject: Expect & TCL - HPUX port?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:52:10 GMT

I've 'ftp-ed' Expect & TCL from cme.nist.gov recently but have
experienced problems with the Makefile for the 'Expect' program.
 
I'm trying to build this system on an HP 9000/720 under HP-UX <8.07>.
Current hangups include no HPUX entry in the Makefile, problems
with the Include file 'usr/include/sys/regexp.h' and the 'register'
type declaration in one of the first 'C' programs.
 
Sage advice will be welcome.
P.S. - i've cross posted this message to comp.unix.shell
  
INTERNET - Timothy.Weil@dialcom.tymnet.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Subject: Re: Login notices
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:07:00 GMT

In article <Bw8IGz.5LE@cs.bham.ac.uk> axs@cs.bham.ac.uk (Aaron Sloman) writes:

>Does anyone know why the standard login notice gives lots of information
>about copyrights and dates but fails to say which version of the
>operating system is running?

Um.  This is just a guess, but could it be that the marketing droids at
HP want to _sell_ that information as an unbundled "value-added (sic)"
product ??  No, I suppose not.
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: RTS/CTS flow control on HP9k/700 serial port?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:53:52 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <ARONS.92Oct15161255@tyfon.eecs.ucdavis.edu> arons@tyfon.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Tom Arons) writes:
>the documentation, but almost works:  If I power on the modem *after* getty
>starts I can connect once, but if the modem is powered on when getty starts
>the modem goes into some kind of loopback mode where the xmit and recv leds
>are lit.

This sounds like you have the modem configured improperly, such that
it is echoing characters back to the HP.  Set ATE0 (echo off) and
save the parameters to the powerup defaults, and try again.

If the DCD line is being properly sent to the HP as well, you might want
to change the low byte of the minor number to "0x08" instead of "0x0c",
as the "0x04" bit set indicates that it is a direct connection, whereas
clear indicates that it is a dialin modem.

>3. entry from inittab. I am using the following:
>a0:234:respawn:/etc/getty ttyd00 19200

You might want to add "-t 60" to the command, which will cause getty
to timeout if a login sequence starts, but does not complete within
60 seconds.  Always a good idea for modem lines.

It's also a good idea to set your modem (if possible) to reset to
powerup defaults when DTR drops.  That way when one session ends,
the modem will reset to a known state before the next login starts.

-- 
Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
                                                               |    /oo \
"I'd like to thank everyone who touched me this year."         |    <>__|
    --- Bill Clinton, 10/11/92 Presidential Debate             |    |  U|
From: rocky@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Rocky Craig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP 750 power supply and memory access
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:49:54 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO

>>> Has anybody using a 750...noticed a power supply "chirp" or "buzz"...

>> That is just all those electrons dying.

> I did not know that the 750 is cappable of matter -> energy conversion.

Actually, it's matter-to-matter >>transmutation<<.  All of the dead electrons
get transmogrified into smoke particles (called "hackyons").  When an IC fills
up with hackyons, it releases them into the atmosphere.

Any knowledgeable EE can tell you that if you let the smoke out of a device
it won't work anymore :-)

Rocky "Bar code reader?  That's a soldering iron, you fool" Craig
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: cayouett@nmerh53.BNR.CA (Daniel Cayouette)
Subject: HP/Usenet ELM deleting mailbox on File System Full condition
Reply-To: cayouett@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom 
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 21:37:11 GMT

Here is the scenario:

  - File system /usr get filled up
  - Reading /usr/mail/cayouett from ELM (either the Usenet or HP version)
  - Mark a few messages for deletion
  - Resynch, change folders or quit
  - Contents of /usr/mail/cayouett are lost

This problem has been reported to HP Response Center and they have
reproduced this scenario.  A Service Report has been opened.

It seems to be the incorrect return codes from fprintf() with ELM's copy()
during this condition.  Other small programs to test this do return negative
values from fprintf() as it should.

Has anyone else seen this problem?

Thanks,

Daniel

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: kunice@novell.com (W. Kyle Unice)
Subject: SLIP routing info question
Keywords: SLIP, routing
Reply-To: kunice@novell.com (W. Kyle Unice)
Organization: Novell
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:50:43 GMT

	We are finding that routing information about how to access the remote
SLIP endpoint is not being propagated to
the internet,  it is not even being echoed from the local SLIP endpoint.
 gated is running  on the local endpoint.  We can ping
the remote endpoint from the local endpoint but we cannot otherwise ping
or access the remote endpoint.

Thank you for you help in advance :)
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W. Kyle Unice         "Whoever remains unmoved, whoever cannnot comtemplate
Novell Inc.            or know the deep shudder of the soul to enchantment,
MailStop D-23-1        might as well be dead, for he has already closed his
1700 South 122 East    eyes upon life." - Albert Einstein  
Provo, Utah	84602     
801-429-3156          kunice@npd.novell.com  or   Kyle_Unice@novell.com
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From: ikoutsel@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Ioannis Koutselas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HELP WITH EMACS ON 9000/340
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:48:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

i	Hello out there. I have installed emacs on a hp 9000/340 
computer.  I would like to ask if someone knows how to
set the enviroment correctly so that emacs
responds to the cursor, backspace and so on keys.

My usual configuration to TERM is hp300h, which is
by the way not documented in termcap.  

Thank you in advance.

					Ioannis Koutselas
					ikoutsel@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
					ioannis@elisha.ucsd.edu
From: michael@ewd.dsto.gov.au (Michael Balin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Info on C++ Task Library needed.
Keywords: c++ task
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:03:02 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation, Salisbury, South Australia

Greetings fellow readers who continue to wade through comp.sys.hp,

I'm hoping to use the C++ Task Library provided with HP-UX (8.07 on 720/730's at
present) for a major package soon, and I could really use further information on
it. What would be ideal, would be examples of code or actual compilable programs
which make use of it. At the moment I'm having serious problems getting it to do
anything - I get bus errors merely by including task.h! So, pointers to examples
would be greatly appreciated - preferably by email to the address below.

BTW, I note that in the introductory manual entry for the library, it stipulates
that tasks are non-preemptive, but this would appear to be contradicted when one
looks at the class definitions themselves. Am I missing something here?

Thanks in advance,

Michael.

--
Michael Balin             Computer Programmer for ANUTECH attached to the EWD
michael@ewd.dsto.gov.au   at DSTO Salisbury, South Australia.  +61-8-259-6591
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: maklinm@cognos.com (Max Maklin)
Subject: Re: Creating an Update tape
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.174448.5569@Schultz.ON.CA> peter@Schultz.ON.CA (Peter Roeser) writes:
:^()     We have created a product for the HP 9000 series 700 line that is
:^()     a device driver and assorted add-ons.
:^()     We would like to distribute this package in update tapes.
:^()     Does anyone know of a script/tools to help put together
:^()     a DDS DAT tape in this format?

While it is possible to do it is rather difficult and not user friendly.
HP does not support this in HPUX 8.X either.  In 9.0 they will have
utilities to package things through I believe fpackage.  This will be
supported. We too are faced to wait.

Max
-- 
Max Maklin                                                P.O. Box 9707 
Technical Analyst	                           3755 Riverside Drive
Cognos Incorporated                              Ottawa, Ontario CANADA
Internet: maklinm@cognos.COM                 UUNet: maklinm@cognos.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: scornd5@solomon.technet.sg (Ng Wee Teck)
Subject: Promiscuous Mode on FDDI?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:31:05 GMT

I would appreciate help on the following:

a.	Can the HP9000/s720 EISA FDDI adaptor support promiscuous 
mode?  How difficult is it to program the workstation such that it 
can monitor all packets on the network?

b.	Will HP offer a programming interface similar to LLA for 
the FDDI card?

c.      Are there any other vendor manufacturing FDDI card for the 
HP 9000/s700 platform?

regards.

From: leonard@hplred.HP.COM (Mark Leonard)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:35:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Postscript output on laserprinter?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Terje Johnsen at Dept. of Physics, University of Oslo inquired why a laser printer
did not process a postscript file correctly.

Please excuse me for mentioning the obvious, but is there a PostScript cartridge
in the printer?  If so, what model is it, and what model printer?  

Mark (Not a printer expert) Leonard
From: martins@hpl.hp.com (Henrique Martins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Problem w/ tvtwm and 8.07?
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:42:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Oct16.141715.3051@crd.ge.com> kolb@crd.ge.com (Mark A. Kolb) writes:

> My 730 was recently upgraded to HPUX 8.07, and since then tvtwm has
> been displaying some odd behavior.  When the screen is in the first
> horizontal row of the virtual desktop, the 'f.raiselower' function
> works correctly, but on any other portion of the virtual desktop, it
> has no effect.  I'm using tvtwm Revision 10.0, patchlevel 6, and recompiling
> tvtwm didn't help at all.

#include <std/disclaimer>

  I think this is a bug in the implementation of XConfigureWindow on
several 8.0X X-servers.
  I wrote my own replacement for XConfigureWindow, in the context of
f.raiselower, and it seems to work. I've included diffs below, for the
menus.c file of the tvtwm distribution.

  -- Henrique (working, but not speaking here for HP)

142a143,175
> /**/
> static void fakeRaiseLower (display, window)
>      Display *display;
>      Window   window;
> {
>   Window          root;
>   Window          parent;
>   Window          grandparent;
>   Window         *children;
>   int             number;
>   XWindowChanges  changes;
> 
>   number = 0;
>   XQueryTree (display,
> 	      window,
> 	      &root,
> 	      &parent,
> 	      &children,
> 	      &number);
>   XFree (children);
>   XQueryTree (display,
> 	      parent,
> 	      &root,
> 	      &grandparent,
> 	      &children,
> 	      &number);
> 
>   changes.stack_mode = children[number-1] == window ? Below : Above;
>   XFree (children);
>   XConfigureWindow (display, window, CWStackMode, &changes);
> }
> /**/
> 
1876c1909,1910
< 	    XConfigureWindow (dpy, w, CWStackMode, &xwc);
---
> 	    /*XConfigureWindow (dpy, w, CWStackMode, &xwc);*/
> 	    fakeRaiseLower (dpy, w);
1880c1914,1915
< 		XConfigureWindow (dpy, virtual, CWStackMode, &xwc);
---
> 	        /*XConfigureWindow (dpy, virtual, CWStackMode, &xwc);*/
> 	        fakeRaiseLower (dpy, virtual);


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mandell@bach.helios.nd.edu (Dan Mandell)
Subject: Seeking mail filter
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:14:34 GMT

We are new to HPUX, and our system administrators are bombarded with
unimportant mail messages.  Is there some way to filter out unwanted messages?

thanks,


Dan Mandell (mandell@bach.helios.nd.edu)
Saint Mary's College, Computer Services 
Notre Dame, Indiana 46556  -  Phone: (219) 284-4610

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: olsenc@carson.u.washington.edu (Clint Olsen)
Subject: Problems with C.09.09 interface file LJIID
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:15:02 GMT


Hello:

We had the special C.09.09 file to use with our HP 9000/360 on
HP-UX 7.0.  It worked great.

We have now upgraded to HP-UX 8.0 and the interface file doesn't
seem to work correctly.  Many options like the "4 pages per page"
don't work.

Any ideas?

Is there an update perhaps for HP-UX 8.0 for this special file?

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Clint Olsen 
olsenc@u.washington.edu
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From: stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:42:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Need pointers writing a device driver for a ISA (PC) video card
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


 Blair MacIntyre (bm@shadow.columbia.edu) wrote:
 > We are trying to put a Private Eye card (something almost, but not
 > entirely unlike, a PC CGA card) in the ISA slot in an HP Series 700.
 > 
 > It seems that we (me?) are going to have to write a device drive for the
 > thing.  Does anyone out there have experience writing device drivers for
 > video type cards (or any cards!) on the ISA bus?  We may or may not want
 > to make this a Starbase device drive.  We probably will.

Once you get the kernel driver written, the next logical step would be to
port the X11R5 X server with the cfb driver.  Then you could use the Starbase
sox11 driver with the card as you would to any other X server.

Mike Stroyan, mike_stroyan@fc.hp.com
From: stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:48:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Common Command line args bug - any help appreciated
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

/ hpspdla:comp.sys.hp / smr@pki-nbg.philips.de (Stephen Riehm) /  8:02 am  Oct  7, 1992 /
>I have just discovered the following behaviour:
>
>% xterm -[normal xterm opts] -e foo -d 5 [other opts for foo]
>Error: Can't Open display
>
<lots of stuff deleted making problem more complicated>
<than it is :)                                        >

Try:

% xterm -[normal xterm opts] -e 'foo -d 5 [other opts for foo]'

Note single quotes...

===============================================================================
Steve Witten                    stevewi%hpspd@hplabs.hp.com
Network Test Division           ...!hplabs!hpspd!stevewi
Hewlett-Packard Co.             stevewi@hpspd.spd.hp.com

From: perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:58:28 GMT
Subject: Re: HP vs. Sun
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Need help building libg++-2.2 and gdb-4.6
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:42:26 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC

In article <1992Oct7.201243.15594@rtsg.mot.com> sscott@rtsg.mot.com (Steven R Scott) writes:

>Would I be better off trying to build gas and then tell gcc to use it instead
>of HP's as?  

Yup.

>On a different but related question:  Has anyone done the port (made the
>patches) so that gdb-4.6 can be built on this system?

  Someone locally compiled the current GDB on export.lcs.mit.edu out
of the box using GCC and GAS.  Once you get GGC and GAS up, GDB should
be a cake walk.  Locally we are using the HP 700s and HPUX 8.07, but
the OS is almost certainly the same in the important areas.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean)
Subject: Re: C compiling on HPUX
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:53:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

John Muscat (jmuscat@nexus.yorku.ca) wrote:
> 
> I'm compiling some software on a HP9000/380 with HPUX 8.0 and at the compile 
> stage I am successful however I get a error at the linking stage. In particular:
> 
> 	cc -o macps -s -O macps.o macaux.o ucbwhich.o
> 	ld: Undefined external -
> 	_getwd
> 	ld: output file still contains undefined symbols
> 	*** Error code 1
> 
> Is _getwd a standard C function call on HPUX. If so which compile flags do
> I need to specify and/or Library and Include files.

The getwd function is in /usr/lib/libBSD.a.  Try linking in with a
"-lBSD" argument.

--
Bruce Rodean                          Hewlett-Packard Company
rodean@fc.hp.com

This does not reflect the official position of Hewlett-Packard Company
in any way, shape or form.  Everyone else in the company may disagree
with what I say.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English)
Subject: Re: HP-UX SPEC numbers. Nov.92
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:24:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs

ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes:
: OK, I give up, I'm fairly up on HP parts (including the unannounced ones)
: but I've never heard of either of these.  What are they?

Industrial control workstations.  There is also a board-level version,
the Model 742rt.  All three use 50 MHz PA-7100 processors.

--bob--
Not an HP official.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: glowell@allegro.com (Gary Lowell)
Subject: Re: How can we get rid of HP VUE.
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 16:37:35 GMT
Organization: Allegro Consultants, Inc., Redwood City, CA
Keywords: HP VUE, vuewm, mwm

In the /etc/inittab file, change the run state for the "init" entry
to 2.  On my system at least, 2 kicks off a normal getty on the 
console, 3 starts vue.  You should double check the file before
rebooting as a minor mistake in inittab can make life difficult.
I think I have seen two different versions of /etc/inittab on 8.07,
depending on whether the system was installed from tape, or came
with instant ignition.

I've not tryed xdm, but I put x11start in my .profile.  Presumably anyone
who really wants vue can kick it off from their .profile as well.

I like the look of vue, but it's a bit slow for me.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: scot@sioux.eel.ufl.edu (Scott Miller)
Subject: HP vs. Sun
Reply-To: scot@eel.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 01:40:59 GMT

Yes I know this has been posted before. I am 
in the process of trying to decide whether we
should purchase the Sun 690 with SuperSparc upgrades
when they arrive, or go with an HP9000/730. Basically
what I want is performance info on both lines of 
workstations and general information from people who
are sysadms of networks with both(ie problems,complaints,etc).

Included in this purchase with be either 5 IPC's with 
5 X-terminals(Does Sun make an X-terminal?) or 5 HP9000/710
with 5 HP X terminals. We currently have 15 HP700/X terminals
and we find that the resolution/pixel dimensions are different
from our HP9000/425's. Has HP corrected this in there new line
of X-terminals. How is the new X-terminal software?

Regards,

Scott Miller

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mece2bh@rosie.uh.edu (Kalagatla, Anil K.)
Subject: CD player on hp
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:52:00 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hart@waterloo.hp.com (Tony Hart)
Subject: Re: X-Terminal 700/RX and Printers 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:10:52 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Kompilerpraktikum Gruppe18 (cop18@lehre10.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE) wrote:
: At work we have some HP9000, which are connected in a net. Serveral Printers are
: attached to these servers. Now they are trying to connect a X-Terminal and a
: HP-Laserjet. But if you try to print over the net with lp -d..., the file doesn't
: reach it's destination. The same thing happens, if you try to print a large file
: on the Terminal where the printer is connected to, this file blocks all other
: files in the printerqueue.
: 
: The Terminals have 4 MB-Ram, but the problem also appeared on a 6 MB-Ram Terminal.
: 
: Who can help me out ??

Make sure that you have correctly followed the installation instructions in
Chapter 5 of the "HP System Administrator's Guide for the HP 700/RX". You may
also want to look at the troubleshooting instructions on pages E-4 to E-6.
I assume that you are running the latest released version of 700/RX software 
(i.e. B.03.01).

Hope this helps!

Tony Hart,
Panacom Automation Division,
Hewlett-Packard (Canada) Ltd.

Standard Disclaimer:
All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent an official statement of
the Hewlett-Packard Company.
From: mikef@hpsadle.sad.hp.com (Mike Ferrara)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:48:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Not able to format M-O drive
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: Exabyte support on HP700s
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:42:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.190140.12159@u.washington.edu> seymour@stein.u.washington.edu (Richard Seymour) writes:
>(at the end of reading a tar file, the HP sends a "write zero filemarks" to
> the Exabyte to "flush its buffers".

It also does this when writing, which causes our Fujitsu 9-track SCSI
tape drive to barf - issuing such commands to the device driver to get it
to clean up is fine, but sending them to the physical device is ridiculous.
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: cayouett@nmerh53.BNR.CA (Daniel Cayouette)
Subject: Re: NeXT and HP?
Reply-To: cayouett@bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:04:26 GMT

Does anyone know if HP is really being considered for the next port
of NextStep instead of Sun? 

In article <1992Oct10.071238.19201@meteor.wisc.edu>, mjo@snclib.snc.edu
(Mike O'Connor) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct9.144324.2287@merrimack.edu>
fernandeza@merrimack.edu writes:
|> 
|> :Does anyone at HP know if NeXT Computers Inc.  will be using HP's
|> :new PA7100 RISC chip in their (NeXT's) upcoming RISC workstations?
|> :
|> :If anyone knows, e-mail to:  fernandeza@lucy.merrimack.edu
|> 
|> If anyone knows, or has some pretty good data, please post!
|> 
|> -- 
|> Mike O'Connor
|> "The NNTP Administrator"
|> <mjo@snclib.snc.edu>
+-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
| Daniel Cayouette            | ESN : 393-2340     Internet : cayouett@bnr.ca |
| Product Performance: OA&M   | Phone : (613) 763-2340   Fax : (613) 765-2518 |
| Northern Telecom (Meriline) | Corwan : cayouett@nmerh53 Envoy:[cayouett]BNR |
+-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
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