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From: tomita@atg.slsi.sony.co.jp (Kohzo Tomita)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: [question]shuwa no benkyou
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:25:26 GMT
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From: hoketsu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Makoto Hoketsu)
Subject: test
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:31:44 GMT
From: miyamoto@okilab.okilab.oki.co.jp (Ichiro Miyamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: One Side Deaf
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:55:57 GMT
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In-reply-to: ent@icews1.ipc.kanazawa-u.ac.jp's message of 31 Aug 92 05:18:38 GMT

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From: miyamoto@okilab.okilab.oki.co.jp (Ichiro Miyamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: FRANCE
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:47:18 GMT
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From: miyamoto@okilab.okilab.oki.co.jp (Ichiro Miyamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: One Side Deaf
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:14:59 GMT
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In-reply-to: ent@icews1.ipc.kanazawa-u.ac.jp's message of 15 Aug 92 09:25:00 GMT

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From: tomita@atg.slsi.sony.co.jp (Kohzo Tomita)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: [question]shuwa no benkyou
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:55:35 GMT
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From: tomita@atg.slsi.sony.co.jp (Kohzo Tomita)
Newsgroups: fj.misc.handicap
Subject: Re: [question]shuwa no benkyou
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:51:40 GMT
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In-reply-to: tomita@atg.slsi.sony.co.jp's message of 8 Sep 92 04:55:35 GMT


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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:29:44 GMT
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Sumio> To stereotype foreigners is international common sense.  But Japanese
Sumio> behaves too heavy, I suppose.


I didn't mean there's no stereotyping outside Japan. I was just answering
what someone asked "how japanese stereotype foreigners here", and that was
my experience here. All I wanted to discuss was the conflict:" Adaptation
 vs. Stereotyping" that is very difficult to adapt and very tiresome
(in the psychological sense) to adapt when some have stereotyped images
about you. I really don't think japanese do that because they're japanese,
and agree with you when you say this kind of behaviour is due the culture
diferences.
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From: hoketsu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Makoto Hoketsu)
Subject: test
Originator: hoketsu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:45:09 GMT
From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:17:22 GMT
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Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.
In-reply-to: cmr@world.std.com's message of 14 Sep 92 19:56:36 GMT

In article <BuL3ED.GLw@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:

   >England , France , Israel .... all give citizenship to those who are
   >born there.

And Brazil. I think the majority of the countries does that, am I wrong ?

   >Charlie

Rafael.
From: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:17:21 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@komaba.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp
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In-reply-to: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp's message of 10 Sep 92 01:44:36 GMT

In article <CLAUDE.92Sep10104436@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
 |I liked very much the news broadcasted yesterday night (NHK) about 
 |a Korean-Japanese high-school girl who decided to make $@K\L>@k8@(J
 |(Real name). It's very sad to know that Korean-Japanese and
 |Taiwanese-Japanese have to hide their identities, their language,
 |their culture to don't be bothered by the other japanese. I admire
 |how that girl is going against all these things.

Discrimitanion towards non-Japanese residents is persistently going on
in this country. I also saw the news. Very impressive. Another proof
of hidden discrimination in Kanto - where people less believe there is
any racial discrimination.

The news story also reminded me of one of my schoolmates. He was a
second generation Korean-Japanese and once he declared to our
university lab members that his name should be pronounced as in Korean
language since then. This was also an impressive event. Japanese
broadcasting stations forced Japanese pronunciation until they changed
their attitude in 1985 or 1986 - Korean broadcasting stations had been
pronouncing Japanese name as in the Japanese language long before
that.

It was 1980 when I first encountered with the fact of discriminatory
actions of Japanese to Korean people - I also saw Kwangju incident 
$@!J8w=#;v7o!K(J on TV. It was another version of Tiananmen - and I
realized how I was ignorant about a neighbor country. I decided to
learn Korean language - and I spent my time from 1981 to 1984 for
learning it. It's nice to be able to read/write hangul letters - and
can guess how Korean language have influenced Japanese one and vice
versa.

FYI: In Kansai, I find out that the situation is much more complicated
and that people are rather pragmatic about racial/discriminatory
issues. Discrimination to people who live in "buraku" communities is
still persistent, and local governments are trying to enforce a sort
of "Equal Employment Opportunities" or "Affirmative Action",
anti-racial legal movement in the USA. Also, quite a lot of
Korean-Japanese residents are living in Kansai and local governments
are very sensitive on discrimination to them.

// One thing I suggest to Mr. Huss: not only Taiwanese-Japanese but
// other Chinese-Japanese are suffering from the discrimination.

 |I think it's time (how Mr. Rikitake said in his post) to break
 |the illusion that Japan can be "homogenous" and "monolithic"
 |forever. Much more than $@9q:]2=(J, Japan needs $@2ACM4Q$NJ#?t2=!JJQ$J(J
 |$@F|K\8l$HJ,$+$C$F$$$k$1$l$I$b!#!#>P!K(J. 

$@2ACM4Q$NB?MM2=(J should be better for describing "making social change
for accepting many kind of values."

// gotta go, lunchtime.

// Kenji
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From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: Dave Spector (was Re: Tokyo Journal, Heroes, Fukushima Mizuho)
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:32:30 GMT

In article <SANTOS.92Sep10164219@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp> santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:
>
>In article <DAVE.92Sep9202748@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp> dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele) writes:
>
>Uh, sorry, Dave, but who is Dave Specter (the name is familiar) and
>which "contribution" he made to belong to the anti-hero list ?
>
>Rafael.

In my knowledge, he appeared in TV as Henna Gaijin, speaking Japanese very
fast and joking terrible jokes (as Mr. Ishikawa and Mr. Wuertele says in
other articles) that derives silence to the audiences.  This I think is 
the case that too much adaption to Japan are not always welcomed.  At that 
time of his first appearance several years ago, he was introduced as 'ABC 
(maybe one of the three major in USA, not Asahi Ho^so^) Producer'.  

Gradually he has come to appear as commentator on programs like 'Asa made 
Nama terebi (Live Television until the next Morning)', a midnight talk show
in the form of debate but reaching no conclusion.  He points out problems
of policies, trades, education, or whatever subjects on Japan in comparison 
to what it is in US.  This may cause disguise to people from US.  Now his 
title is 'free-lance producer'.

I neither like him nor dislike him.  But I think at least he has wider 
insight if compared with another guy from US who is believed to be 
Matomona Gaijin, Kent Gilbert.

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:00:21 GMT
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Shintaro> b) Be less apologetic.
Shintaro>    When your American friend complains Japanese trains are too crowded,
Shintaro>    never explain the situation of Japanese transportation infrastructure.
Shintaro>    He would be puzzled and wonder if your father is the president of JR.


YES! I like this observation! Sometimes, I wonder how the japanese even
don't liking something at all try to "explain" how good is that thing
when you complain about it... Very good point, I like it!



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From: okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp (Kenji Okamoto)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Summary: Hahahah, really ?
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:03:02 GMT
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Organization: Univ. of Osaka Prefecture, Dept of Earth Science, Sakai, Japan

In article <ARAKI.92Sep4182246@u33.sfc.keio.ac.jp>, araki@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Sumio Araki) writes:

> Remember, at the immigration desks in Narita Airport, the indications
> were 'Japanese' and 'Alien' (recently, changed into another word).

Really?
It's only mean the officials to order that indications did not know
English. :-)
 
> Even the Japanese, Japanese community has many stressers.

Yes, yes, yes, yes,,,,,,

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:44:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

>Dave> So I understand. Not that I doubt what you say, but it's just that I
>Dave> wanted some authorative reference. 

>I don't know about Kyoto, but in Tokyo there's a section only for
>"visa consultation" inside the immigration office in Ootemachi.
>I have used that service many times and they provided me with all
>information I wanted. I recommend to look for such service if you
>want more information. I can also recommend a telephone service
>with pre-recorded messages about frequently asked question to
>the immigration office. You can get a list in the Ootemachi
>Immigration office. (I don't know if this kind of service is
>available in Kyoto). The other way is to call directly the immigration
>office and after dozens of tries I think you can get them... :-)

Sorry, but all I would get is what some local person said which
isn't what I would call 'authoratative'. 

>Dave> You see what I find very curious is why such a big thing is made of
>Dave> having to change your name, but no mention is made of how people
>Dave> born in Japan of non-Japanese parents are not able to hold dual
>Dave> nationality. 

>By international laws there are two ways which countries can give
>nationality: "Being born in this country" or "By blood" (of course,
>there are very nice latin names for both of these terms...:-) ).
>In Japan, unfortunately, one person can only get nationality having
>japanese parents or naturalizing (Very difficult, I think, if you
>don't have a japanese spouse...)

Uhhh, what international laws are these? I'm under the impression
that laws having to do with nationality are made on a country-by-
country basis.

In any case my point was that I find it curious that many Koreans
make a lot out of having to change their name if and when they
become Japanese nationals but very little is said about having to
give up their Korean nationality. Conclusion: Koreans place more
value on their name than their nationality. 

As I said, I find it curious as I would think you'd just have a
legal name (Japanese) and an ordinary everyday name (Korean).... 

Dave

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:13:06 GMT
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> when I'm trying to japanese, I lost my patience and... :-)
Kenji> So, you became very desperate to understand Japanese. :-)
Kenji> How do you think why Japanese are so different, or why it is very
Kenji> difficult for you to understand Japanese ?

Well, I tried only to be funny... Sorry again...:-)

In fact, the japanese is neither "SO" different nor "SO" hard to
understand. However, sometimes their feeling of "uniqueness" like
"Oh... You cannot understand it, you're a foreigner", etc.etc.
makes me very upset. Some japanese feel very good when they think
about themselves as a "unique" people in the world. Then, my friend,
TRY to speak with this kind of person and you'll lost your patience
too.. :-)

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From: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Adaptation in Japan(was Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:45:55 GMT
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In-reply-to: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp's message of 9 Sep 92 02:44:25 GMT

In article <CLAUDE.92Sep9114425@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
 >I wonder why the japanese
 >say "there's no immigration here" and there are about 1 million Japanese-
 >Koreans and some hundred of thousand of chinese/taiwanese living here
 >even before the WWII. (I'm not sure about the numbers... :-) )

The fundamental policy of Japanese government towards non-Japanese
residents has been the same before and after the WWII: non-Japanese
residents should not form major ethnic groups here or they should
re-nationalize.

 >Their adaption was the saddest one: "They quitted their identity, they
 >hide themselves, They lost their language and their culture, they didn't
 >have basic rights for a long time". Sometimes, I wonder if this is not
 >the kind of adaptation that the japanese society expects about the
 >foreigners...

Well that's also the case for a person like me who went abroad 18
years ago and spent 15 months there (in USA) and came back to Japan. I
was 10 years old then and people surrounding me in the elementary
school I went after coming back here simply tried to re-nationalize me
- denying different values, denying different customs (e.g. 
outspokenness) - and forced me to obey. Since then I live in the world
of double-standard values, the world inside and outside myself, often
disputing with each other. The adaptation mentioned by Claude-san is
not only expected to non-Japanese residents but also to Japanese
dissidents. :-<

// I intentionally avoid using the word "foreigner" to a person
// who lives in a country but does not have a nationality of the
// country. The word "foreign" itself has an implicit meaning of
// "not belonging naturally" and I think using this kind of words
// is itself discriminative. I urge those who are using "foreigner"
// to reconsider its usage. CNN has done this and in their
// broadcasting programs they have banned using the word "foreigner".

// Kenji Rikitake