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From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: Cosmology (was : evolution).
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:19:54 GMT

   I'm a little puzzled at finding this in the evolution thread.  This is a 
cosmological question and not part of evolutionary theory at all.

In article <35953.2B4D3641@puddle.fidonet.org>,
Mike.Rafferty@p0.f318.n229.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Rafferty) writes:
> What do you think of the "new" theory that has been proven by some
> astronomical physicists.  I'm not saying that I believe the following
> or that it is exactly correct since I'm working from memory. (So if
> anyone sees that I made a mistake, please correct me).
> 
> Some physicists seemed to have discovered some kind of gas(es) far out
> in outer space that may have been left over from the "big bang" theory.
> Now some people are theorizing/saying that physicists have proven that
> there is a "higher power" out there.

   Hot objects glow; all objects emit some sort of light or electromagnetic
radiation with the frequency being proportional to the temperature.  Hot
objects just emit that electromagnetic radiation at a high enough frequency to
be seen.  A while back Arno and Penzias (I have almost certianly misspelled
those names) won a Nobel Prize for finding the faint glow (in the radio
frequencies) left over from the heat of the universe at the time of the big
bang.  It corresponds to 2.76 degrees above absolute zero (it spread out and
cooled a lot).  At the time Arno and Penzias were trying to account for a
strange signal that Bell Telephone's microwave antennas were picking up.

   Anyhow you may have notices that the world today isn't made of uniformly
distributed matter at a temperature of 2.76 degrees.  The idea is that if the
universe isn't uniform there must be some original irregularities that started
things off.  The result you're talking about is the location (and independedant
confirmation) of a pattern of irregularities in that background glow that are
thought to correspond to the original clumpieness that started the universe
going the way it did.

   This talk about "proving there is a higher power" baffles me.  The result
confirms a prediction of the big bang theory.  It says nothing that supports
nor detracts from the idea that there is a higher power.  I suspect a certian
amount of interpretation of scientists poetical remarks by overenthusiastic
journalists is at work here.  I mean the patterns don't spell "Yes, there is a
God" in Latin or anything like that.

> !!!!!!!!!Does anyone else know more about this "discovery"?
>          I'd like to find out for my own information.

   Science News has been following this in human readable form.  Science has
also been following it but they're a bit harder to read.

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
From: Paul.Boyle@f40.n2310.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Boyle)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: fiber optics info needed
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 09:58:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2310/40 - EVSC BBS, Evansville IN

I was at the GTE research lab in Waltham Mass. and they were making the light
 fibers. I'm not sure where my information is, but I'm sure they would be more
than helpful. They pulled two types of glass one inside of the other. The
 inside on carried the messages and the outside layerer contained the light.
 The engineers and lab people were great and I believe that their library was
 online. The said if all the people in the U.S. divided into two groups one
 east and one west that they all could be on the telephone at the same time
 and that there would still be room for more calls in one optical fiber.


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From: JIM.DIXON@f240.n353.z1.fidonet.org (JIM DIXON)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: WHIMIS or something like
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:25:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:353/240 - The Polish Connecti, Westbank BC

 Jim Dixon is responding to James Aitchison's bytes to Jim Dixon
 about WHIMIS or something like

 JA> 25 Dec 92, JIM DIXON writes to JAMES AITCHISON:
 JD> If you'll respond to this (so I don't lose you), I should have the
 JD> information by then and will post it back to you.

 JA> I'm back!  Thanks for the response.  We are only short sheeted :-) on
 JA> a few chemicals.  Access to such a system would be great, although I
 JA> doubt that a Canadian address will be able to call the 1-880 number. 

It [IRPTC/UNEP] is a Canadian databank in Ottawa.  I access via Datapac
dial ports (listed in your white pages...use 2400 baud / half duplex.) I
don't think they are up 9600 yet.

You can write or phone them.  Try this out with your modem, in this order;
***Type exactly what I show minus the quote marks ("). 

Look up DataPac in your white pages and use the 2400 baud number.
Set yourself to half duplex.
Dial the 2400 baud DataPac number.
Enter 2 periods    ".." (press Enter)
Enter "92100086,E" (press Enter)
And agin, (press enter)

You should not be at the Main Menu.

At this point, you may want to buffer everything and view/print it
off-line. To get a sucessful buffer, at the Main Menu Prompt, type
Control-P (hold down the CTRL key while pressing P once) "SET 9:00" and
press your Enter key 3 times or until the command prompt returns. This will
prevent DataPac from placing 3 spaces before the end of line character.

Type "f irptc" (press enter)  [f or F = Find]
Type "1" (press enter)

You should now be recieving all the pertinent data -about- the IRPTC
databanks, their address and phone numbers.

The whole procedure is aboslutely FREE!  You will _not_ be charged. Don't
worry about the opening message stating "Remote Pacaket Charge", that's not
a $ charge, it is a time reference.

At any menu prompt, you can type H/h (not case sensitive) for help. OV
returns you to the OverView (1).  At any prompt, you can do more quesries
using "F/f (keyword)"  You may want to try "F chemical"  If two words are
used in keyword queries, use quotes such as   F "alberta government"   You
may also use Boolean operands such as... F "canadian government" AND
chemicals NOT alberta NOT "united states"  That will search for all
databases operated or under the Canadian Government excluding Alberta and
the United States.

To log off, just type "bye" (and press enter) at any prompt, then using
your term program, disconnect from DataPac.  There is no time limit, so
have a blast.

Once you have decided what it is you want from the IRPTC (areas, sections,
types etc.), let me know and I'll grab a file out it for you so you'll have
a copy of the format.  Hope this helps.


... Teaching is learning what others don't know  
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11
                                                            

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From: Richard.O'donovan@f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Richard O'donovan)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: evolution
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 02:03:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/155 - SECAP BBS, Clayton Vic

"Creation science is not science at all, but religious dogma. There is nothing scientific about it".  Interesting thought, but have you given any great thought to the scientific process??  Far more dogmatic and akin to religion than you would like to portray and/or believe, as you seem to be demonstrating admirably!!  Incidentally, if one of the earliest forms of evolved life was a blue-green algae, which is acknowledged as one of the most durable life forms around, then why did life every evolve beyon
d it?  What's more, how could it if any mutations would be overwhelmed by the numbers of non-mutants?n And then there's the tricky one about cell specialisation.....


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From: Lawrence.Pidluzny@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Lawrence Pidluzny)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: weather
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 23:26:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton AB

Hi Jennifer.

For the past ten years or more, we have been experiencing warmer than average conditions here at Elk Point and area.  Elk Point is approximately 140 miles East Northeast of Edmonton, the capital city of Alberta.

The cold 'snap' we are experiencing for the past three weeks is an exception rather than the rule, if you consider the time frame mentioned.  There were winters, in the earlier 1970's which had below minus 25 degree Celsius temperatures for five or six weeks.

In my opinion, and I am definitely not a meteorologist, weather patterns do cycle as do climate variations in any specific area.  I am not sure that the global warming trend is as severe and devastating as predicted, but it is our responsibility to do everything in our power to prevent it from being so.

Anyway, take heart, next winter may be milder.  Oh, and the summers are getting much drier here over the past few years than they have ever been before.  Sloughs, lakes, creeks and rivers are disappearing.  The water table in our region has dropped drastically, and droughts are common.  I hope this is also the 'low' end of a cycle, and that more moist summers are on their way.  Most of our industry is agriculture-related.

Well, enough for now Jen.  Have a good week in school.  Keep up the interest.  Hope to hear from you.  Bye.




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From: John.Thompson@f600.n139.z1.fidonet.org (John Thompson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: evolution            
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 14:28:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:139/600 - Homebuilt Flyer, Neenah WI

RO>  Incidentally, if one of the earliest forms of
RO>  evolved life was a blue-green algae, which is acknowledged 
RO>  as one of the most durable life forms around, then why did 
RO>  life every evolve beyond it?  

Wait a minute...that's like asking "since your parents were successful in
life, how did you ever manage to become successful?"

RO>  What's more, how could it if any mutations would be overwhelmed 
RO>  by the numbers of non-mutants?

A recessive allele can persist and spread through a population over time,
even if it doesn't get a chance to become expressed.  Once the allele
frequency reaches a certain level, it *WILL* be expressed, and at that point
natural selection can act upon it.  This is basic population genetics.

RO>  And then there's the tricky one about cell specialisation.....

You got me...what "tricky one" is that?

 * KingQWK 1.05 # 39 * Evolution: the unifying principle of Biology!

 

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From: Jim.Maroon@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Maroon)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: evolution
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:30:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - Tulare County Schoo, Visalia CA

 -=> Quoting Mickey Rowe to All <=-


 MR> And again, I agree.  As I ended a previous post, so shall I end this
 MR> one.  The fact of evolution may well be spurious.  However, for the
 MR> time being it is a fact according to the best evidence science has to
 MR> offer.

        Be careful, Mickey.  You might have a creationist some day say,
 "Dr. Mickey Rowe, noted neurologist, has even admitted that evolution is
 spurious science!"




... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1993
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From: Lowell.Herr@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: RELIGION, SKIING AND
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 19:13:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

 > PMShould there be such a conference area for teachers, where
 > PMthey can
 > PMexchange information about creation "science"?

I think they will need to pick up the discussion in one of the Fidonet echoes
related to creation or creationism issues.

LH 

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From: bath@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Kenneth Bath)
Subject: Re: Lunar Phase and Weather. HELP?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:32:47 GMT
Reply-To: bath@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Kenneth Bath)
Organization: Harris GISD

Hi.

I'm a meteorologist and software engineer for Harris Corporation in
Melbourne, FL.  I also have a strong interest in astronomy and  have
written a fair amount of software for orbital calculations (including
moon phase).

After giving some thought to the question of Rainfall vs. Moon Phase,
and discussing it with other meteorologist here at Harris, I couldn't
think of a relationship.  Moon phase is an instantaneous event describing
the alignment (or lack of it) of the sun, earth, and moon.  Rainfall varies
from place to place on the earth depending on the placement of fronts,
highs, lows, hurricanes, etc.

On the other hand, there is a strong relationship between moon phase
and the destruction caused by a coastal storm.  A high tide will add
to a storm surge and compound the damage.  At full moon and new
moon, high tides are higher and low tides are lower.  These tides
are called the "spring tides" of the month.  At first and last quarter,
all of the tides are mediocre.  These tides are called the "neap tides"
of the month.  Tide height is also affected by the closeness of the
moon to the earth.  The closer the moon, the higher the tide (either
high or low).  Therfore, to maximize the impact of a storm, have it
come ashore at high spring tide when the moon is close to the earth.

Finally, does the moon have an effect on the atmospheric highs and
lows?  Yes it does.  There is a daily variation in pressure (1 or 2 mb)
caused by the pull of the sun and moon.  Does this have an effect on 
the strength of the highs and lows?  I don't know.  It could make a 
deepening low deeper or make a filling low fill faster.  That's all kind 
of lost in the other things going on (heating, land vs. water, earth
rotation, etc.).

Anyway, these are my random thoughts on the subject.  A lot of things
go into making weather happen.  Let me know of any results you get
or if I can help in any way.

Ken Bath
Harris Corp.
From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 07:47:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

;rep:111,4220

EB>Whereabouts in Aus. are you.  The Address on your message wasn't
EB>specific.  (The Bay?)  It's been snowing and sleeting and freezing
EB>icing up here at 46N123W.  Which can be fun if you have a computer at
EB>home and the power doesn't go out!  You are probably in the middle of
EB>your summer..running around in swimming suits and that.?  I could
EB>probably look up the weather somewhere on this board if I knew just
EB>where to look.  Well, I better go so this doesn't become to big a gulp
EB>for the mailer..Feral Science Teacher?  Are YOU wild or is your
EB>curriculum?

I'm in Sydney, at the Australian Museum.  We got to 30 Celsius
yesterday: 86 Fahrenheit, hot and muggy, with thunderstorms in the
evening: we had an outdoor carol service and eucharist under threatening
clouds, but we made it.  Everbody sat around in short-sleeved,
short-legged cotton and enjoyed themselves sitting on the sweet-smelling
new-mown grass under the gum trees, with a slow drift of buds and
stamens each time the wind blew.

Feral science teacher is how I describe one of my ilk who goes beyond
the classroom: I get the pleasure of meeting lots of people, I miss out
on seeing a few special people growing.  I do all sorts of things, so I
guess the curriculum is wild: I lecture on human evolution (I have a
great collection of hominid skulls), I show people how to catch wee
beasties, I develop interactives, and for three days last week, I stood
in front of a golden cage, and assured all comers that the two people in
the cage were really "savages", and that it was completely proper to
keep them in a cage.  That was particularly wild, especially trying to
get the "savages" to crack up with the blandly superior statements I was
making.  We hope we touched a few people. . . .

Happy hogmanay!
peter




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From: Paul.Boyle@f40.n2310.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Boyle)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Television as monitor
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 12:26:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2310/40 - EVSC BBS, Evansville IN

I have used computereyes products before and they have been top notch. I
 haven't used any VGA to NTSC convertors. I was told I would get one last
 August, but I'm still waiting.  I was told by someone that they heard it had a
 annoying flicker and that Advanced Digital Systems VGA-TV ELITE did not
 flicker and allowed more flexiblity, letting you use the monitor and TV at the
 same time.  On the computereyes model I could not deterime if you could run
 both TV and Monitor from The Flyer I recieved. The Number for Advanced Digital
 Systems is 800-888-5244. If I would by some act of god recieve my device from
Computereyes soon I will let you know. I will be at a computer conference in
 two weeks and I will ask around.


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From: rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu (Mickey Rowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Re: Evolution
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:00:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <32503.2B38A498@puddle.fidonet.org>
    York.York@p0.f11.n356.z1.fidonet.org (York York) writes:

>To think that one being of any immensity could create what we on this
>planet can comprehend , is totally absurd.  Unfortunately when the
>hoax of religion was conceived,it probably profited many people,and
>thus in effect begat the follower.

I wouldn't respond to this except that I think it is very important
for students to recognize that science and religion are not in
conflict in the fashion that York York implies in the post to which
I'm responding.  Generally it upsets me to see people (creationists in
particular) claiming that science destroys religion.  Passages like
the above fuel their fear, and thus probably do more to champion their
cause than anything that they could say on the subject.  

I hope that students can recognize that York York's sentiments are
*not* the results of a scientific investigation.

Mickey Rowe     (rowe@pender.ee.upenn.edu)
From: Jennifer.Dickison@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Jennifer Dickison)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: diabetes
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 09:24:16 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

 
     Hello, my name is Jennifer and I am a diabetic.  I have been
this way for four years now.  When I was first diagnosed with
diabetes it was a definite shack to me and my family.  I had only
heard of this disease on T.V. or in health class, I basically knew
nothing of it.  Once I did become educated on the disease I
realized it would not be too hard to manage.  I would have to give
up sugars, fats, take shots, check my blood sugar level, and
exercise every day.  It sounds much worse than it really is.
Things went smooth for the first year because I was still in the
honeymoon period, which is the period in time when the pancreas
still produces insulin.   After awile my pancreas completely quit
functioning and I began to develope problems.  I soon realized I
would have to create a stricter diet to follow, increase my insulin
dosage, and exercise more.  This became so tedious that I just gave
up.  I quit checking my blood, did not follow my diet and
completely quit exercising.  I have been this way for some time
now, and I realize I need to change hopefully for the better.  I
would really like to hear from someone who has some helpful
suggestions to get me back on track, or from anyone who has some
current information on the disease. 


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From: Lowell.Herr@f29.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Lowell Herr)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: When?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 14:00:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/29 - The Catlin Gabel Sc, Portland OR

 > JDIt is a dead horse.  Will this echo return to a science
 > JDbased echo, or
 > JDallowed to 'evolve' further and into a redundancy echo?

I will do my best to reverse the trend.  We nearly stopped it once before.

 > JDPlease Lowell, return this echo back to it's former
 > JDstate...a science echo.

OK!  Will do my utmost.

Lowell


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From: Richard.Edwards@f19.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Edwards)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: WHIMIS or something like that
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 02:36:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:267/19 - QMS Connection, Queensbury NY

 > shop and janitorial chemicals.  Is there a database
 > available to download specific information for chemicals
 > which do not have company supplied spec sheets?
 >
You should not have to look any further than the company that supplies you with the chemical to obtain a MSDS for that chemical. It is required of all companies that sell these materials. If they do not have one they should be able to give you the infoormation where it can be obtained. There are also databases available to obtain this information but they are expensive to use in most cases. They either require a subscription to a service or the purchase of a very expensive piece of software. I would sugges
t for the use that I read here that you obtain the MSDS. It will serve very well and provide all necessary info concerning the chemicals in question



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From: Mark.Gottfried@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Gottfried)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Television as monitor
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 12:56:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Do you have experience with the ComputerEyes product or have you just read the ads.?
I am interested in getting something that will take a 
VGA monitor image and put in it on a TV screen.
I have sent off for information on a number of products, but the ads 
all look the same.
Mark


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From: John.Crull@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (John Crull)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Evolution
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 18:35:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

 DG>     I feel very strongly about the thought of creation vs. evolution.

Suggest you take Lowell's advice and move this off to a fidonet echo.

===
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