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From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Singapore: Living and working there?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:56:33 GMT

Ted Feuerbach posted this article to rec.travel.  I suggested that he
post it to soc.culture.asean, but since he doesn't get that group at
his site, he asked me to post it here.  Please send all replies to Ted
by e-mail.

Thanks.

Wayne

In article <1992Sep30.100655.4511@bb1t.monsanto.com> tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>Can anyone with a familiarity with Singapore help me out?
>
>1. What are the requirements for bringing in a 
>   pet cat?  Shots, quarantine, etc.  
>
>2. What kind immigration restrictions that they have and how 
>   difficult is it to get a work permit?  I've seen several
>   employment ads in the international weekly of The Straits 
>   Times so I assume that it isn't impossible. 
>
>3. How good is the job market for technical personnel?
>
>4. Are there any large pharmaceutical companies there?  Medical
>   information system companies?
>
>5. How high is the cost of living?
>
>It'll soon be time to get out of the US again for a few years
>(no, nothing interesting like being wanted for a crime or 
>an ex-wife, just wanderlust) and that is one of the places 
>at the top of my list.  Any other suggestions about Singapore 
>or other places without prohibitive immigration policies 
>would be greatly appreciated.  Language is no problem, I speak 
>several.  
>
>Ted Feuerbach - Scientific Systems Consultant
>St. Louis, MO  USA
>Disclaimer:    Monsanto didn't say this, I did. 
>Stupid Quote:  Too bad she won't live...  But then again, who does.
>                                                             - Gaff


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: SINGAPORE LAWSE  
From: Ming_Lim@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ming Lim)
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:25:24 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

> 	When I came to U.S.A., I was impressed with the plethora of LAWS it  
> has. For starters, when I alighted from the 747 and board a transfer vehicle
> the bus driver would not move unless `ALL PASSENGERS IS BEHIND THE WHITE LIN
> , a boundary on the bus. On public buses in Hawaii, the above applies also. 
> addition, you are FORBIDDEN by state law to Eat or Drink, play loud music,  
> smoke on a bus. Now, that`s more servere than in Singapore Buses.  
>  
> 	The irony is that U.S.A. is reputed to be the most democratic nation  
> on earth(you may have other contenders but at least it is a very democratic 
> country) and these many LAWS? So why are people criticizing Singapore's LAWs
  
The way I see it, it is not democratic or anything like that, it is just  
a matter of the danger of getting sued. USA is kind of crazy when comes  
to this point and I cannot blame any of the town council for  
implementing that kind of rules.  
BTW, I used to be hanging on the outside of the bus hanging on one of  
the windows in KL every morning to get to school. Now reflecting back,  
it is a rather dangerous position to be as quite a few people have  
injured/died on falling off.  
  
Ming.
From: gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Email in Bristol University, UK
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:12:02 GMT
Organization: Mount Holyoke College




Hi people,

I was wondering if anyone knows how I can find
out the email address of a friend at Bristol.
I tried fingering "bris.ac.uk" and "bristol.ac.uk"
These machines are not being recognised... (didnt' 
even get a "connection refused" or something like 
that)

Anyone from Bristol reading this post?

Thanks,
germain.

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From: bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:24:37 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK

Oooh! I've stirred up some pretty strong flames!
Haven't people heard of the term "stirring up some s**t?"
I thought that since Zam (for those who remember him) is not
with us anymore, someone out to give this newsgroup some
life :) :)

Anyway a couple of points to hair-trigger flame throwers out there

1 NO I don't read the SUN. (Nor any tabloid). I read one of the
  right-on broadsheets with deep articles and difficult speeling.

2 The term girlies is not strictly PC. But what is? Womyn, ladies,
  gals ? All these terms can be used patronisingly. Please select
  suitable PC term of preference.....

3 Food is a good subject. So are the others suggested. By all means
  lets have something going.

4 Hei! Gossip may or may not be to everyone's taste. But maybe I should
  have added :) :) (The humour impaired please note)

5 Feminism. Being of the Adat Perpatih tradition I can't complain. I know
  who wears the trousers :)

5 Gula Melaka, Gula Anau. Depends on what you were brought up with. Gula Melaka
  makes dodol, Gula Anau makes penganan. Both gulas(?) come from different sources 
  though. 
  Granted though there's nothing quite like Cencalok from Melaka.
  A word about Melaka though. Since the Light and Sound etc, the traffic jams
  have got soo bad. Not terrribly pedestrian friendly. The TDC is doing a super
  job though. Street maps and all!

6 Lemang. I've heard of people making it with tin foil. God knows how they
  keep the liquid mess from oozing out. I personally
  make Pulut Kuning and Rendang for Raya. Or Nasi Impit.

Talking about food, anyone can give me the Chinese names for the ingredients
for Lin-Chee-Kang (You know, murky brown drink with lotus whatisname, quails
etc). I don't quite know what to ask/look for in Chinatown.

Meanwhile, remember this ? " Hey nasi goreng, hei bubur kacang, hei rojak.."

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From: bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:51:23 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK

I enjoyed the listing on food. Made me VERY homesick though. The best
cendol ever though must be from K.P (Kuala Pilah) where this mamak makes
his own cendol (chunky, tasty stuff) and uses gula anau instead of the weak
gula Melaka.

Anyway, the news tidbits was greatly appreciated. Keep it up please!

I also happen to think all this military crap is nothing but a bit of "boys
and their toys" type of talk. Granted there may not be many girlies on this
net but those that are here are probaly bored witless. Let's start talking
about something else like why was it that the Government did not want to
give sholarship to girlies to do engineering when I was a youngster.
(I'm not a serious feminazi but just trying to see if anyone had the same
experiences)

Anyway, waht abou some less serious news ei? I did'nt know about Sudirman
until very late so some gossip stuff could be entertaining. (Yeah that's a
bit girlish but EVERYONE is secretly interested in dirt. That's why the SUn
is the biggest selling paper in the UK).

Otherwise, how is R&D in Malaysia doing?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:20:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.002138.9188@news.Hawaii.Edu>, guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang) writes:
> 
> 	People complain that there are too many LAWS and RESTRICTIONS in
> Singapore. From this point, they conclude that Singapore is NOT democratic.
> 
> 	There are other Issues such as ISA (Internal Security Act :  which 
> allows detention WITHOUT trial), freedom of speech, etc. but I wish to discuss
> only the PART pertaining to 'having too many RULES and REGULATIONS'.
> 
> 	In the past, people would always bring up the point that you can get
> fined S$500 for littering, S$1000 for not flushing the Toilet after use, etc.
> and I was lead to believe that well, maybe it is too harsh. Having lived in 
> Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, I find that Singapore does have plenty of Laws which
> are ACTUALLY enforced.


I have always wondered why some people consider laws against littering
or other various anti-social acts 'undemocratic.' As far as I am concerned,
if you don't want the law on your back, don't litter, flush the toilet,
don't spit in public, cross the streets when the 'walking-man' is green,
don't smoke in cinemas or restaurents, etc. No doubt, there would be many
who find life not worth living because they have been deprived of their
constitutional right to spit and litter. However, perhaps it was because
I had been socialised since youth by such prohibitions that I do not feel
the lack.

Edmund
From: ufltai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: FAQ update
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:39:54 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya,
	So far, I have only *ONE* mail regarding the FAQ.  Should I take this
to mean that y'll are not interested in having a FAQ?  If you would like to
have a FAQ, please email me with ideas, info, comments, etc etc.  I will try to
keep y'll updated on the progress of the FAQ, and the stuff that I received
already.  So far, I only have one person's archive file on the PAL/NTSC
discussion and the places (in USA) where conversion can be done.  Much thanx
buddy.  If y'll can, please email me info like embassy addresses, tel number,
etc etc as I have NOTHING at all.  I don't usually archive stuff (lack of disk
space, etc etc).
	If you are not Malaysian, you *BETTER* mail me the stuff you want
included in the FAQ if you don't want the FAQ to become a M'sian FAQ.
	Thanx in advance for your help, etc etc.  Ciao.

-Tai
ps:  All FAQ stuff to this account.  Thanx.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chai@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ian Chai)
Subject: Copyright (was Re: Malay songs.)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:16:52 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>	Hey, this is a good start to a thread on copyright laws...  The way I
>see it is this.  You bought a copy (let's presume original) and under the law,
>you are allowed to make a backup copy of it, just in case yours got thrashed. 
>If you didn't make a backup copy, but got your original trashed anyway, is it
>morally/ethically/legally OK to get a copy of it from your friend?  Why do you
>have to pay for another copy?  I know some of the larger software companies
>will replace your disks free if you are a registered customer.  Does/should
>this carry over to other industries?

My _opinion_ is that it may or may not be legally correct, but it's
morally ok... after all, you *did* pay for it and so the musician got
royaltynya.

(BTW, after losing a treasured tape a few years ago, which had since
gone out of print, I now back up *everything*...)

Ian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Samyvellu and MIC
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.192023.25343@news.ysu.edu> af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>
>Under "extreme duress", I have been "forced" to contribute
>an issue that might be of interest to the newsgroup.
>
>I choose Samyvellu and MIC. Previously there has been posts in
>this newsgroup calling for the removal of corrupt gov't officials
>in Malaysia. Perhaps it is a little premature to judge
>Samyvellu for his latest TELEKOM debacle, but I hereby nominate
>Mr Samyvellu as the candidate to be removed. Afterall, from what
>I heard from my Indian friends, he has contributed diddly to
>the Indian community and has not proved his worth.
>
>Do y'all remember the casket incident and the lost of the casket?
>Sheeeeshhh...how low can politics stoop.
>
>
>ATAN
>
>p.s. Hmmm...1 article on food, and one on Samyvellu so far.
>     How many do you have Geeva Subramaniam???
>

This article makes me wonder what contributions have the MIC and also
the MCA leaders made to improve the livelihood of the people they are
suppose or they claim to represent i.e. the INdian and Chinese
respectively.  I am no political science student and not at all well
verse with the M'sian political scene but my impression is these
people are just a bunch of selfish aand corrupt individuals..
furthering their own interests causing hardships to the people...
like the Cooperative scam and Tan Koon Swan case.  I remember very
recently, on MIC big shot was investigated for pornography.

Perhaps being an outside, my impression and perception
doesn't hold water 8).

-Mann


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Environment
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:11:12 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
> ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf) writes:

Ahh, Mr Othman "Bin-Head Jihad" bin Ahmad speaks again, and spews forth
some utter bull...

> You must be one of those green fanatics.

You must still be flamebait (tm)

> : My point about recycling is that:
> : If ANYTHING can be recycled, then do it. It might be 

> Don't you know that nature itself recycles wastes, even human waste.

You are human waste, (well, a waste of humanity) so why aren't you
decomposing, Mr Binhead?

Go on, blame a Chinese journalist now while you can! [flame, flame]

> : expensive at first (initial costs of recycling plant),
> : but in the long term it will always be worth it. It is

> Artificial recycling is only necessary of the rate of waste disposal is
> higher than natureal decomposition.

With the amount of shit that spews forth from your mouth, Singapore could
make a viable and profitable "artificial" recycling plant!  Jobs for
thousands.

Maybe then they'll stop using the ISA on you! :v>

> : not acceptable to continue damaging the environment
> : just because of human greed and short-sightedness.

> It is not acceptable to enforce artificial recycling when it is not necessary.
> Imagine building toilets in the jungle for the tigers, elephants and recycle
> those wastes.

Well, that's just _silly_, like your logic processes.

> :  During those sixty seconds of biological time, modern
> : man has made a rubbish tip of Paradise.
> :  Humans have multiplied their numbers to plague
> : proportions, caused the extinction of over 500 species
> : of animals, ransacked the planet for fuels, and now
> : stand like brutish infants over their meteoric rise
> : to ascendancy, on the constant brink of war, and of
> : effectively destroying this oasis of life in the
> : solar system.

> guess who invented the recycling ideas, not the animals.

But humans _are_ animals...  Go join your chimp family!

And, on a final note, a classic quote from the past...
   [Rod Swift says to Othman bin Ahmad in soc.culture.asean]
   "Yes!  We're out to get Islam and Salman Rushdie is our leader!  NOT!"

Rod
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:15:57 GMT

roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>In article <1ab6ivINNhs1@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:
>>roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>
>>[...]

>>>If I had to make such a choice, I'd choose Germany, simply because the
>>>economic situation of German Jews was such that emigration was far easier
>>>when the time came.  Only 37% of Germany's Jews perished in the Holocaust;
>>>what was the percentage for Poland?

>>To partly rephrase the insinuated question: to what extent was Polish
>>nationalism (indirectly) responsible for the high percentage of Jewish
>>deaths in Poland in WW2 ?

>>I'll leave that for others to decide.

>>As for the other part of the insinuation -- why Germany only 37% ? -- frankly, 
>>a more important reason is that when a country is fucked over,
>>it's at the mercy of the men with the guns.

>True of both countries!  And both countries did a fair amount of self-fucking-
>over.  (As I pointed out earlier, btw, the 37% figure is based on the 1933
>population; 52% of the German Jews emigrated, 10% survived in Germany.  So,
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>going from 1941 populations, 80%+ perished.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


The Nazi-led hegemony was indeed apocalyptic.


>Roger


Thanks Roger.


Endek.
From: kkniaz@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Krzysztof W. Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Sprawy gospodarcze - prywatny i panstwowy
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:39:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep25.150435.28819@walter.cray.com> aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:

>
>A. Pindor does not seem to see any difference between words "accusation"
>and "guilty". Without possibility of accusation nobody would ever be
>pronounced guilty.So I think before evaluating somebody's posts it is
>always a good idea to look at own thoughts. As well as before teaching
>anybody it is always better to learn something. "Do not teach others if you do
>not want to be taught. Do not judge others if you do not want to be
>judged" - those maxims should be written above Mr. Pindor's bed to
>remind him everyday about acceptable norms and standards of modern
>social behaviour.
>
>A. Mazur

A. Mazur exercises his usual meanness. I don't believe he's so
naive not to see a difference between accusation in the court of law
and purely political action aimed to destroy someone's credibility.
I remember Alek was complaining about bad manners of Poland-L netters,
who allegedly attack because they don't have arguments. I don't see
even a trace of discussion (even your favorite genre the meta-) in
your text, but rather some futile attempt to vindicate - futile because
I'm sure Andrzej has you in his KILL file anyway.
--

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Lab for Research on the Structure of Matter |your control, you're master of 
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From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Oplata za Studia oraz Program Spoleczny Rzadu
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:11:41 GMT


In article <7315@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> roman@hri.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.031105.136536@ua1ix.ua.edu>, lnieplo3@ua1ix.ua.edu (Jaroslaw Nieplocha) writes:
>
>> Mam jeszcze kilka innych pytan:
>
>> Czy inicjatorzy tych reform deklarowali to w programach wyborczych do Sejmu 
>> swoich partii z ramienia ktorych dostali sie do rzadu ?
>> 
>> Moze ktos pamieta ktora partia polityczna przy wyborach
>> parlamentarnych opowiadala sie za platna opieka lekarska i wyzsza edukacja?
>
>> Jarek  
>
>Ktos musi za to placic. Czy uwazasz, ze spoleczenstwo jest gotowe sie opodatkowac, aby placic
>za studia kazdemu kto ma na to ochote ? Jezeli tak to nie ma problemu. Politycy powinny
>zaproponowac zwiekszenie podatku, Sejm by zatwierdzil, ludzie by placili i studia bylyby za
>darmo. Natomiast jezeli spoleczenstwo nie chce sie opodatkowac na ten cel, to pozyczki sa
>napewno lepsze niz nic.
>
>Roman

W przypadku oplat za studia zgoda - ludzie musza sie nauczyc, ze
oczekiwanie czegos od rzadu nic nie da, bo rzad najpierw musi wziac
od ludzi. Niemniej jednak widac w Polsce jakas nadmierna bezwladnosc
rzadu - wlasciwie to jest oczekiwanie, az samo wszystko sie naprawi,
a tak moze nie byc. Chwilowo Sejm wstrzymal bony prywatyzacyjne
i chyba slusznie - co darmowe to sie malo liczy i ludzie beda
chcieli je spieniezyc na najpilniejsze potrzeby. A przeciez jest
tyle do zrobienia. Dawno, dawno temu we Francji uruchamiano
przy nadmiernym bezrobociu roboty publiczne. A jest co do zrobienia 
w Polsce, oj jest. Nie ma czym placic. Ale masie bezrobotnych trzeba
placic zasilki. Gdyby wesprzec takie zasilki bonami prywatyzacyjnymi,
wielu by poszlo do robot publicznych. Ceny mieszkan sa horrendalne,
ktokolwiek zarabia przecietnie moze do konca zycia sobie mieszkanie
z glowy wybic. A przeciez tam mozna byloby zaczac z robotami
publicznymi, oczywiscie nie dla wszystkich. I po przepracowaniu
jakiegos czasu (darmowa faktycznie robocizna bo zasilki i tak trzeba
placic) mogliby uzyskac tansze mieszkania. Skoro nie ma kredytow
mozna byloby zaczac pracowac na kredyt zeby przeciac bledne kolo.
Ktos moze powiedziec, ze to znowu pachnie komuna. A niech pachnie,
byle jakis pozytek byl. Bezposrednio po wojnie w Niemczech kazdy
zdolny do pracy mial obowiazek pracowac. Glownie odgruzowywano.
Bezwladnosc kolejnych rzadow w Polsce bardzo mi sie nie podoba.

A. Mazur