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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:43:31 +0000


In article <i8ccVB1w164w@vixen.runic.via.mind.org> scott@vixen.runic.via.mind.org (Scott Sable) writes:

Not sure if you'll get this Scott, I traied mailing you but it bounced.

> I'm sure that this is probably the wrong newsgroup to post this in,
> but I don't currently have access to any others from my machine.

You could try rec.arts.manga, rec.arts.anime or alt.manga

> 
> I have just recently seen both Laputa and Akira, but both of them were
> in the original Japanese. I would like to know either where I can order
> the english sub-titled versions of these movies, or if there is some
> place where I can send my copies to get them sub-titled. Any and all
> help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> 

Akira is availiable in both dubbed and subtitled versions.  AFAIK the
distribution is handled by someone called the West Cape Corporation (no
address on my UK copy though :-( )
If you're into manga you might like to check out Urotsukidoji, Legend of
the overfiend - one of the heroes is slightly furry.

>  How many furries can honestly say they belong to a demonic vampiric
>  vixen kzinrret tigeress? Isn't love grand? 
> ---
Some guys get all the luck
----------------
unicorn@atheling.demon.co.uk
"Is that a horn on your head or are you just pleased to see me"
>> you've seen the film. you've bought the book, now read the disclaimer<<
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:46:04 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Dec19.151333.9522@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.005400.24689@news2.cis.umn.edu>, avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> > Maybe--just _maybe_--AT&T makes computers that nobody wants to buy...

Hardly. The AT&T 6300 and 7300 lines were absolutely killer machines, way
better than what IBM was selling so successfully, and I don't know anyone
who's had one who had a word bad to say about the computer. About AT&T, yes,
but not about the systems.

> > Likewise, maybe--just _maybe_--the problems with ALBEDO stem from factors
> > _other_ than how the book has or has not been promoted.

Like, it's actually got an ongoing plot line that makes sense, multiple
threads of plot, characters with normal motivation, and no superheroes.
Yeh, I can see how that would fail to appeal to most comic book readers.

> Albedo #7 was boring.

Well, if you jump into the middle of *any* story with more plot than "who are
we going to cream this issue" it's not going to make sense. Try that with
Cerebus some time.

> When does it stop being a comic book and start
> being an illustrated serialized story?

Isn't that what lots of authors *and* readers claim comic books *are*? You're
actually claiming that's a *bad thing*?
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi t dn d dn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, t dm d ateria el d d viel d.
From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:55:00 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Fri 18 Dec 92 19:28, Avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (timothy
wrote:

>> Steve's been doing ALBEDO for almost 10 years.  He should have figured
out
>> how to promote it by now...
>
>How so? AT&T has been trying to get into the computer business longer than
>that, and still hasn't figured it out. And they've got people whose JOB is
>simply marketing...

 A> Maybe--just _maybe_--AT&T makes computers that nobody wants to buy...

 A> NAAAH!  That CAN'T be it.

 A> Likewise, maybe--just _maybe_--the problems with ALBEDO stem from
 A> factors
 A> _other_ than how the book has or has not been promoted.

I haven't been into the comics scene much for quite some time, for varying
reasons. But i must say that back in the B/W boom, when there were fifty
bazillion Triple Adjective And A Noun comics, i picked up Albedo. Not for
Erma Felna. For the other stuff. Usagi, Konny & Czu, High Orbit, and so on.
Oh, sure, i read all the mail Galacchi got praising Erma, but i could never
quite see what so many people saw in it... Some nicely drawn machinery, to
be sure, and some interesting ideas, but a strong tendency towards pacing
that would embarass a snail.

(shrug)


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From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Subscription prices
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:28:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Jim- sorry that I'm jumping into this discussion late, so I may
  have missed something.  But here goes...

1.  It is *not* more expensive to get issues by subscription 

  than it is by  going to the comics shop.  Leastways, in the US
  and in Candada.

  Overseas, it's a different story entirely.  I've been running
  assorted mail order biz bits now for close to half a year, and in that time have handled several orders both
  domestic and foreign  (ncluding scads of ond and E. Europe).

  Postage from the US to anywhere overseas is positively murder,
  unless you send it small-packet uninsured surface book rate - 
  and that takes three months or more (ask Sebkha :-)).

  Charging three bucks for for mail on a comic is a reality -
  deal with it.

  If the customer does not want to pay for an overseas subscription,
  then the alternative is to buy the comic at a local shop (which,
  according to Martin, impossible.  Titan Dist. usually orders
  around a dozen for all of G.B.).  If the shop does not stock the
  comic, then ask the shopkeeper to order a few copies, either 

  through the distributor, or from Martin directly.  If the 
  shopkeeper is unwilling to do so, then find another shop -
  it's that simple.

2.  Of course Martin makes a profit off of each book he sells -
  if he didn't, he wouldn't be putting out Hepcats.  Keep in mind
  that that is profit before such silly things as expenses - work,
  living, or otherwise.  Via distributors, he probably makes about
  fifty cents per book, after printing and shipping costs.  Via
  the direct market - about the same - a little more.  Via 
  subscriptions - about a dollar profit, give or take a dime.
  On the business side, that has to pay for supplies, advertising,
  phone bills (he calls alot of comics shops regularly), con travel
  expenses, and assorted intangibles.  On the living side, that has
  to pay for rent, food, electricity, gas, insurance, etc.  I'd
  be surprised if he's breaking even.

That's all for now.  Sorry for any weird formatting errors above -
  local computer connection is making things a bit difficult.

Yeehah,
  - net.spy!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:40:18 GMT

	The trick to promoting ALBEDO is to bring it to the attention of
people who would be interested in seeing it.  I am talking about outside
comic-book/sf/fantasy circles.
	A while ago, People magazine did an excellent write-up on Art
Speigleman and his book MAUS.  They seemed floored that he used animals in
the place of humans for his story.  Now if somone had written a letter after 
the article appeared and mentioned a comic that also uses animals, and is about 
the trials and tribulations of a female military officer trying to hold her own
in a male-dominated world.  Send along a couple nice peices of art to run with 
the letter and it could have generated massive amounts of publicity.
	While that opportunity was lost, there are others abouding if you know 
where to look.  How many femenist publications do you think would hype a comic 
that portrays women as competent, progressive, and intelligent?  Erma Felna 
predates Murphy Brown in being an unwed mother who is balancing children and a 
career.  All it takes is a few issues and a letter explaining this to some
select newsletters--and let them talk about the comic for you.
	The idea is to bring the comic to the attention of people who would 
otherwise never know of it.  Just figure out who would like to know about 
ALBEDO and use a vehicle that targets the specific demographic to help promote
it.
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: RE: MU Press
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

To: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)

JGC>|> Critturs, A Very MU Christmas, and Desert Peach 18 were in the shops
JGC>|> here on Friday. Also: Space Wolf.

JGC>The titles of the MU Special conflicts with mine.
JGC>Who is publishing Space Wolf ??

The title IS correct. On the cover and in the indicia. I have it before
me as I type. It may have been solicited as "Holiday" but it came out as
"Christmas".

Antarctic Press is doing Space Wolf, as announced earlier in the year.

JGC>        Desert Peach 18 (don't know why Ray considers it a furry)
JGC>                (warning: Desert Peach #18 is mostly text and has
JGC>                material from the play "Desert Peach" - Donna
JGC>                was too busy with the play to do a story with
JGC>                artwork I guess)
JGC>        Mu Holiday Special

I didn't say it was furry. It was merely an MU title.

I seem to recall the gist of the thread being "is MU still alive?"


 * SLMR 2.1a * Pi R Square. No, Pi R Round; Cornbread R Square!
                                                                                         
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:54:00 GMT

Peter da Silva (peter@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
>In article <1992Dec16.080122.1657@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>> Steve's been doing ALBEDO for almost 10 years.  He should have figured out
>> how to promote it by now...
>
>How so? AT&T has been trying to get into the computer business longer than
>that, and still hasn't figured it out. And they've got people whose JOB is
>simply marketing...

Maybe--just _maybe_--AT&T makes computers that nobody wants to buy...

NAAAH!  That CAN'T be it.

Likewise, maybe--just _maybe_--the problems with ALBEDO stem from factors
_other_ than how the book has or has not been promoted.

>Steve is doing it all himself. You can't expect him to
>be an expert on everything, can you?

I'm not the one who claimed that ALBEDO's low numbers are the result of poor
marketing.  If Steve hasn't figured out how to promote ALBEDO by now (or
hasn't yet found someone who can), then maybe he should try another angle
(developing an actual story, for example).

--
		Reply to:  avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu

  "My mental facilities are TWICE what yours are -- you pea brain!"
			-Percival MacLeach

Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: FAQ anywhere?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:46:18 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:

>I've been skimming through this newsgroup for some time, and still haven't 
>got much of a clue asto what is discussed here....

Somebody please repost the famous Dr. Pepper definition of furry fandom.
Then we can have something to discuss again.  :)

-- 
#ifdef TRUE        | Fuzzy Fox (a.k.a. David DeSimone)       fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |  "You have been recruited by the Star League to defend
#endif             |     the Frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada."
From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Delayed Iriesii Manifest Rebuttal (forwarded)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 17 Dec 92  06:16:56

On <Dec 16 20:18>, Peter Glaskowsky wrote:

 PG>From article <n112ct@ofa123.fidonet.org>, by 
 PG>Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org:
>
> Since the original post and the responses thereto did not appear on
> a.f.f, I think it is most inappropriate for Mr. Grant's response to
> appear here.

 PG>Yeah? Then perhaps it's just as well that you're only the 
 PG>moderator of a
 PG>few FidoNet echomail conferences, so the rest of us can continue 
 PG>to use
 PG>Usenet the way it works best without worrying about being 
 PG>censored

Usenet has pre-release censoring (moderated newsgroups).  FidoNet
does not.  The implication that I would censor this newsgroup is
incorrect.

I stated that I did not think it appropriate (and I still don't)
to post "rebuttals" to message threads that, in theory at least,
did not appear here.  Simply a matter of fair play.  Or is that
an alien concept to you?

==========================================
=Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org=
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis)
Subject: FAQ anywhere?
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:51:22 GMT

I've been skimming through this newsgroup for some time, and still haven't 
got much of a clue asto what is discussed here....comics about furry 
animals apparently, but which ones? And from where? And what is there to say 
about funny animals? Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?


Reinder
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From: rabbit@buster2.Michigan.COM
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry,alt.tv.tiny-toon
Subject: How to get the MORTIMER Story
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:00:04 GMT
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Followup-To: alt.fan.furry
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This posting was made automatically by machine. It will appear once
a week or so. Direct any questions to rabbit@Buster.Michigan.COM

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From: blackwlf@blackwlf.gwinnett.com (Greg Johns (Sysop))
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Pendor
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:02:16 -0500
Organization: BlackWolf's Den (404)642-9933 v.32bis v.42bis 12/24/96/14.4

>In article <723674295snx@atheling.demon.co.uk>
>unicorn@atheling.demon.co.uk (unicorn) writes:
> > In article <sZ49uB2w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org>
> > bbs.zio@tsoft.sf-bay.org (James Elkinton) writes:

> >> Does anyone have the complete set of the Pendor Journal Entries?  I am
> >> almost positive that I am missing some parts.  I don't mind if they are
> >> still rot13'd, but would really appreciate it if they weren't.  Could
> >> someone EMail me a "Table Of Contents" for the set?

I have the full set on my BBS, 404-642-9933 leave me FEEDBACK when you
login explaining you want to download the entries, and I'll give you
access to them.

(14.4kbaud, sorry I cannot mail them!)

The table of contents gets posted every so often on alt.sex.stories

-- 
           Greg Johns, BlackWlf@BlackWlf.Gwinnett.Com, sysop:
      BlackWolf's Den 404-642-9933 12/24/96/14.4 (v.32bis v.42bis)
         Usenet Newsgroups and Internet Email BBS, open to all.
From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Important ConFurence Update!
Summary: new contact phone numer!
Keywords: new phone number confurence
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:41:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.furry
Organization: ConFurence- The Anthropomorphic Seminar/Convention

Hi folks!

Well, once more, it's time for the electronic version of In-Fur-Nation,
and the ConFurence Progress Report.  The text of those will follow, along
with the basic con info (again).  If you have a membership (or were a 
member in the past) you should have gotten the paper version fairly
recently.  If you have not, or if you just would like to be on our
mailing list, please drop me a note, and I'll add you to the database.

IMPORTANT NOTE!
---------------

There is an important change to the contact information this time around,
and I want to make sure everyone notices this.  Unfortunately, this did
*not* make it into the printed version of In-Fur-Nation, so until the
next one comes out (early January), this is the only notice you'll have
of this change.  *sigh*

The change is in our contact phone number.  We've had several people
remark on the difficulty of contacting us using the old number.  This
was due to a number of factors, and despite repeated efforts, the 
situation did not improve sufficiently; therefore, we are instituting a
new contact phone number.  The new number is:

	 (714) 530-4993
		   or
     (800) 234-8237

Both of these numbers will be answered by "Lantana Ltd."; don't worry
about that, just tell the person answering that you are calling for
ConFurence, and they will either answer your questions, or get someone
who can do so, or take a message.

Naturally, we would prefer it if you used the regular number, but just
in case that is not possible for some reason, the 800 number has been
provided- but PLEASE tell us that you are using it!  This is *very*
important, as the toll charges are nasty.  If you have lengthy business
to discuss, we will call you back instead of chewing up time on the 800
number.

JAS
-- 
John Alan Stanley      ConFurence Four Art Show Coordinator
john@ontek.com         _Touch_ Staff Member
...!uunet!ontek!john   "Why don't you go out and see what's out there?"
                       "Well, I don't know if that's what's out there!"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.080122.1657@news2.cis.umn.edu> avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> Steve's been doing ALBEDO for almost 10 years.  He should have figured out
> how to promote it by now...

How so? AT&T has been trying to get into the computer business longer than
that, and still hasn't figured it out. And they've got people whose JOB is
simply marketing... Steve is doing it all himself. You can't expect him to
be an expert on everything, can you?
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
From: mauser@intercon.com (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:48:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>  (hey, I *like* Steve's unshaded artwork, moreso than
>   his washes.  Though, I was not too pleased with Taral Wayne's 
>   treatment of Steve's inks in teh Beatrix story).

I dunno, I saw the pencils Taral had to work with.  Really, all Steve did was 
layout and very rough pencils.  It's almost all Taral on those pages.
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 04:53:07 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

foxen@netcom.com (Foxen) writes:

>One thing bothers me, though... wasn't there some nasty rumor on here a
>few months ago, implying that the publisher of Albedo and Galacci were at
>odds over something or another, and the publisher would only be doing a

There were hints in the editorials that sales of the new Albedo weren't enough
to justify publication past about 7 or 8, but the editorial in #7 implies all
over the place that things have changed, but they aren't moving as fast as
Steve would like (and he takes the blame for doing some procrastination on
that front as well).

He does spend a paragraph talking about how each issue of Albedo only nets
about $600, and that once that is split between him and whoever's helping
with that issue, it's a pretty meager profit. This seems like a major
anomaly to me; Albedo, especially in its new form, ought to be one of the
strongest furry books. Why isn't that true??

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
From: ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: In-Fur-Nation Volume 2 Number 3
Keywords: confurence furry information
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:26:13 GMT
Organization: Oh, come /on/..
Originator: ke94002@black

In article <2199@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
>Another sighting: Furry Fandom is among the fannish terms defined in
>Roberta Rogow's new book FutureSpeak, a dictionary of fannish acronyms
>and codewords from over the years.  Read it yourself and decide if the
>Furry definition is complementary or not... 

 Any chance of posting it here, for those of us in the wrong country to
be able to get the book? Thanks.

--
Daniel Mitchell == bi furry juggler == ke94002@ox.ac.uk == Fenthe Marten
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: png@netcom.com (Peter Glaskowsky)
Subject: Re: Delayed Iriesii Manifest Rebuttal (forwarded)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:18:26 GMT

From article <n112ct@ofa123.fidonet.org>, by Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org:
>
> Since the original post and the responses thereto did not appear on
> a.f.f, I think it is most inappropriate for Mr. Grant's response to
> appear here.

Yeah? Then perhaps it's just as well that you're only the moderator of a
few FidoNet echomail conferences, so the rest of us can continue to use
Usenet the way it works best without worrying about being censored.

.              png