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From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Garlic whilst nursing
Date: 31 Aug 1992 16:13:52 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


|> (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
|> >Stay away from Garlic powder unless you are testing the baby's
|> >response.  Many, incl. mine, got colicky.  I hear real garlic is OK, and
|> >can't wait to try it out next year!

I think this is true. Will seemed annoyed after I'd eaten garlic bread made 
with some of that awful pre-chopped garlic in a jar you can buy, and the 
milk had a strange, foul odor, nothing like garlic. He's never shown any 
sign of a problem after I've eaten real garlic. After the `garlic' bread, 
he didn't have gas, but kept pulling away in what I found to be a painful 
manner, as though he didn't like the taste.

The active ingredients in garlic begin to break down as soon as the cell 
membranes are ruptured (why garlic pills are less pharmacologically active 
than fresh garlic). One famous gourmet, Craig Claiborne I think, is so 
sensitive to these changes that he advises you to never crush garlic, but 
only chop it finely with a sharp knife. I can't detect that small amount 
of degradation, myself, and use a good garlic press with abandon.

In the first six weeks after Will's birth, I avoided everything that I 
thought might make him colicky, because I couldn't bear to take the risk 
that he would cry even MORE (we found his normal, unconsolable crying to 
be a shattering experience before we came to terms with it). I avoided 
milk products, onions, garlic, bell peppers, and all cruciferous vegetables. 
Wheat and peanut butter, also reputed to be significant problems, seemed 
to be the only things left, so I just tried to see whther he was any worse 
when I ate those. As I've gradually gotten up the nerve to add in the things 
I was avoiding, I've found no discernable effect from anything except 
cruciferous vegetables, chiefly broccoli and cabbage, but the effect was 
subtle enough for those that I'm not sure of it.

A lot of babies who have colic are better if they don't consume dairy 
products, either in formula, or secondhand, in their mother's milk. The 
director of the donor milk bank at Denver's Women's and Children's hospital 
told me that almost all of these babies can drink milk from other mothers, 
even if those mothers are drinking dairy products. Evidently a minority 
of people have what is called a "leaky gut", which allows whole protein 
molecules to be absorbed. Babies born to women with this oddity tend to 
become sensitized in utero, and then have problems after they are born 
unless their mothers avoid whatever the offending substance is. The milk 
from other women doesn't contain the substances even if they are in their 
diets, because most women don't absorb the whole proteins, so donor mothers 
don't have to watch their diets even for sensitive babies. (I'm planning 
to post more information about donating milk one of these days, when I 
relocate my notes.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Laurie Hafner)
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.202043.20236@nwnexus.WA.COM>, jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes...

>Are any of your kids into Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends?  My 3YO
>just LOVES Thomas and Percy and Gordon and James and Mavis and Toby
>and Henry and Edward and Henrietta and Annie and Clarabel and.....

Our son - Thomas - just loves Thomas the Tank Engine.  We have a couple of 
books in addition to the train set and videos.  It is also much preferred 
at our house over Sesame Street.

Laurie Hafner, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa  52242
lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:59:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug27.235937.2102
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

>   3) School buses are safer than automobiles (this one is really
>       a bunch of bullsh--).
I don't know...  If I'm going to be in an accident in a vehicle with
no seat belts, I'd alot rather it be a school bus than my car.  Not
to say that a school bus (with no seat belts) is as safe as or safer
than a car with seat belts.

A subtle nit... Other than that, I agree completely.  It _is_ MONEY.
And claiming that kids cannot be made to wear seat belts properly is
clearly a crock.

-- carl

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:02:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.140415.21359@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>: (Diane Lin) writes:
>: 
>: Yep me too, notes ...but now I wish we had videotaped the whole thing
>: because right now, (7 months later) I would just LOVE to watch it.  
>: (And before I always thought videoptaping a birth was weird).
>
>
>I also wish I had videotaped the whole thing.  Is there anyone out
>there who has?  I have yet to meet anyone who has done this.
>
>Catharine
> 

  Well they don't allow videotaping at the hospital I went to!

  However I know of a friend who said that he videotaped his
  wife, and he basically didn't do his job as labor coach because
  he was too busy holding the camera.  He said that they haven't
  watched the video yet, and that was many years ago.

  Another friend took pictures of his wife's cesarean and
  the pictures are in the baby's first photo album.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: Ultrasound in the delivery room vs fetal monitoring
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep04.020636.12465@news.mentorg.com> alainew@gypsy.mentorg.com (Alaine Warfield) writes:
>Why isn't ultrasound used more routinely in the delivery room
>to check fetal position?  I assume that an ultrasound scan
>could tell if the cord was wrapped around the fetus's head, or
>preventing the fetus from descending properly.  If the sonogram
>showed a potential problem with the cord, this would alert the
>physicians to use the fetal monitor.  I assume that most of the
>time the heart rate drops severely during a contraction that
>it is the baby's position that is causing a problem.  I doubt that
>performing a scan is much more expensive than hooking a mom up to
>a fetal monitor and having a nurse have to come in every five minutes
>to adjust the monitor because the thing has slipped or the baby has
>moved.
In my birth just 11 days ago, they did use an ultrasound machine to see
the position of the top baby.  It literally saved me from having a C-section
directly after a vaginal birth of the first baby.  There was a doctor that 
was consistantly monitoring Gemma with ultrasound, and because of him, we
were able to see that one of her feet was around her neck.  This let my
OB grab her foot and deliver her breech.  I think this was somewhat 
unusual but it is done!

BTW, my birth announcement came out garbled (high technology at its best)
so I will attempt to post it again later.  

Marjorie
mrp@world.std.com
Mum to Graham and Gemma Topaz


>
>Since my experience of having the doctor "discover" that my baby
>was breech after 15 hours of labor, I have heard from several other
>women who had the same experience.  I also know of people who ended
>up with C - births after many long hours when it was discovered that
>the baby's head was in the wrong position.  It took only 5 seconds for
>the sonogram to show my baby's position -- it could have saved the
>hospital 8 hours worth of caring for me (it's an HMO, so they have
>to pay for their own mistakes).  The labor floor has to have an
>ultrasound machine available -- why don't they use it more?
>
>After the surgery, they told me that Kayla's cord was wrapped such
>that she couldn't descend -- had they showed me this on the sonogram
>before I agreed to have the surgery (like they let me have a choice!!) 
>I would have been much less reluctant about "giving in" to the knife.
>
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Seatbelts in buses(ses?) ???
Date: 26 Aug 1992 10:45:27 -0500
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X-Unparseable-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:36:59 -0400 (EDT)

Teresa,

	Thank God someone else out there wonders about this too.  My son has ~3
years before school, and I seriously doubt that I will send him on the
bus unless there are seat belts.  There was an accident here in
Pittsburgh not too long ago, really minor, and all the children injured
would have been spared if they had been wearing seat belts.

	I have never brought this up to many, always figured I get the barrage
of "How would you make them wear them?", "The kids wouldn't wear them.",
blah, blah, blah.  Rules are rules, and those caught breaking them could
be punished (operative word - caught).  I do not suggest that the driver
get up and check at every stop, but those that get up and run around are
very obvious.  I used to wonder if my teeth would get knocked out if we
stopped suddenly.  I would have probably worn them even then, before it
was mandatory that cars even have seat belts.

	As I have said, I will probably rearange my schedule and drive miles
out of my way to keep my son off unsafe school buses.  I can only hope
that I convince him to always wear his seat  belt - I have some
confidence here.

-Shirl

BTW:  I work in the city, and see school buses with >50% of the kids
actually standing up, running around, and causing mucho distraction- and
the driver isn't even paying attention.  Most of the time the driver is
white, and the majority of the kids are black.  I often wonder if the
driver is discouraged against trying to discipline and/or repoting such
problems, possibly on the grounds that he will be accused of
discrimination.  I also wonder if the drivers are simply considered such
peons in the system that their concerns are not considered.  PLEASE -NO
flames, this is an observation only, with some mind-rambling attached.
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: prenatal testing - ultra sounds
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:30:53 GMT
Reply-To: belize!millerj@steinmetz.UUCP (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development

In article <1992Sep1.153930.12157@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>(Constance Stillinger) writes:
>>
>>I had an ultrasound ("level 2") at 18 weeks from last menstrual period
>>(lmp) and didn't have to do anything special to prepare---no full
>>bladder, just hop up on the table and see videos of our son!
>
>Yep, me too - five ultrasounds in fact ... partly because my baby was an 
>invitro baby.  BUT for the AMNIO, I had to drink a lot of water.  I believe 
>that's standard procedure.
>
>diana


	That's funny.  I had an ultra sound at 10 weeks and got chastised because
I hadn't drunk enough water.  When I told her that I got sick after drinking
the water she looked kind of sheepish.  (Drinking large amounts of fluid made
me sick for the first 3 months.)
	I had an amnio at 15 weeks that was done by the doctor.  I drank my water
even tho they didn't tell me to.  The doctor took one look and asked if I
had emptied my bladder.  When I said no, he told me to go do so.  (I could
see the difference in the ultrasound picture from the two states.)

Julia
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Starting a Birthday Tradition
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:25:28 GMT

In article <2820080@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen) writes:

>A while back there was a discussion regarding annual birthday
>presents that could be given every year as kind of a family
>tradition.  Well, birthday numero uno is later this month and
>I'd like to start this kind of tradition.  Does anyone out there 
>recall/have the list of possible gifts?  And does anyone have any
>ideas?  

As I child I received drinking glasses with my age written on them each year 
for I don't remember how long. Eventually they all broke or disappeared. One 
lasted quite a while and I think my parents through it out during a move.

I enjoyed them as a kid and don't miss them as an adult.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
From: kzmyslo@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Ken Zmyslo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Daycare/Homecare & Ex-wife
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: kzmyslo@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Ken Zmyslo)
Distribution: na
Organization: WIN Management Services - Dayton, OH


  At the present time, my two sons are in a daycare.  My ex-wife
and I have joint and equal custody - one week with her, one 
week with me.  The problem?  I am going to ask the court to allow
my sons soon-to-be step mother watch them  during "my" weeks.  My
ex wants them to stay in daycare.
  My sons' daycare is just that - a daycare.  It basically provides
adult supervision.  For my sons, age 3 and almost 4, the daycare
provides no education, no schooling.  They believe that the
children don't need to learn until "school age".
  Both of my sons can count to 10 in English and Spanish, (I'm
Polish-American and can speak a little of 4 languages).  I and
my fiance have taught the boys (do I say "our sons"?) to count,
spell simple words, draw, make cookies, and many other things.
My sons' vocabulary and knowledge are better than most 5 year olds.
  I feel my ex-wife wants them in daycare for several reasons:  
(1) she feels threatened by my fiance. (2) She still wants to
hurt me financially (I pay for ALL daycare). (3) You decide why
else she doesn't want them to stay home.  The boys would rather
stay home than go to daycare.  (I was going to enroll them in
a half day early learning center).
  HELP!  My son Zachary does not stutter at home; he does at daycare.
He is very shy and gets along well at home.  He benefits so much
more at home than at daycare.  Any suggestions?
  If you can help with this matter, PLEASE DO!  I feel my ex (ex
of her own choosing, I fought the divorce and lost), has less
concern for her (my) sons than for her pride.  Help please.


-- 
Ken Zmyslo
WIN Management Services
Ken.Zmyslo@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!wtcd!kzmyslo
From: lcheap@milton.u.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waterbeds and newborns
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:18:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep4.191814.24635
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <la26cfINN2ec@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> babcock@manticore.Eng.Sun.COM (Gigi Babcock, Mgr IBM Connectivity) writes:
>I understand that newborns on waterbeds can be a problem. What is

Other posters have mentioned the suffocation potential in the middle of
the bed. I'd like to mention another danger in waterbeds with wooden sides
and a bladder of water inside.  There's the potential for the child to
roll/sqirm to the edge of the bed and get down between the frame and the
bladder, also causing suffocation.

You may want to contact the manufacturer of your particular waterbed for
more information about its safety with infants.
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Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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From: eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:25:30 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: doc, ic
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(This seemed to have bounced first time around, so sorry to anyone who may
have
read it before.)


On reading various responses to Justin's birth story, some people have said
that they felt they "missed out" on the experience of giving birth by
having C-sections or epidurals.

When my daughter was born, I arrived at hospital in no frame of mind to
give birth (I had just had some really bad news).  I was so upset by this
and the baby was in distress that my labour ended up being totally
controlled by an epidural - something that before having her I had been
very anti- but during labour was only too grateful for.  I never felt the
contractions (once the epidural had started to work), never felt the
transition stage, never felt her being pushed down or pulled out, and never
felt the episiotomy.  (However, I do remember feeling like I had been
kicked up the bottom
by a pair of football boots once the epidural had worn off!)

It was only a few weeks later that, when my health visitor visited, she
asked about the birth and then asked if I felt I had "missed out".  Until
then, it had never occurred to me.  Since then, I have thought about it a
lot.  

So many people say there is nothing more fulfilling than having a vaginal
birth and pushing your baby out in to the world.  If I am lucky enough to
have a second, I wonder if "missing out" first time round will make me
refuse an epidural again, just so that I can experience childbirth.  I
would hate to be in a situation where I got frightened by the pain and then
found I was too far advanced to have any pain relief.  I'm not hugely brave
and would not like to anticipate giving birth without knowing help is
available if I couldn't cope.  Or is it really that important?  Isn't
having the child in your arms afterwards fulfilling enough, however they
made their entry into the world?  

Anyone have any thoughts on this?



Liz Attree (eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Re; Farrow and Allen
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:46:45 GMT

In article <BtGD6x.3r1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:


>Assuming she was an adult when it started of course.  Nobody is
>sure how old Soon-Yi is.  (True, the other charge does require a bit
>more evidence.)

The newspapers say she is 21 years old and at college.


>>But I don't see how the child of the mother of
>>his children can be anything other than his
>>stepdaughter.  The fact that they didn't marry
>>doesn't matter, since they were parents together.
>>Legally, it isn't incest, but morally, it has
>>all the same repercussions as any stepparent/stepchild
>>relationship, and so qualifies as incest.  Why would
>>the legal formality of a marriage license make
>>any difference?

Apparently Mia and Woody were together 11 1/2 years according to the papers.
If this is so, Soon-Yi would have been 9 1/2 years old when they got together


>Woody Allen apparently doesn't even think the legal formality of an
>adoption certificate makes a difference.  According to an AP story in
>Sunday's paper (today) Woody says:

>       "I am not Soon-Yi's father or stepfather ... I've never
>       even lived with Mia.  I have never in my life slept in 
>       Mia's apartment.  I was not any type of father to her
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>       adopted kids in any sense of the word ... I didn't feel
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>       that just because she was Mia's daughter there was any
>       moral dlimma."

I have to agree with this.  If he was any type of a father to the other 
three children, why wouldn't he have been to 9 1/2 year old Soon-Yi at the 
time.

Now, pardon me if I'm wrong, but I sure thought he went through 
formal>adoption proceedings with at least three of Mia's adopted children.>
Yet he claims that he's "not any type of father".  

>Truer words were never spoken....

>I can't wait to see his newest movie - "Honey, I Screwed the Kid."  :)

>Steve Kellmeyer
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:00:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.234136.19978@oracle.pnl.gov> d3a132@pnl.gov writes:
>In article 4100@bcrka451.bnr.ca, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
[stuff about treating kids as "people" instead of "boys" or "girls"]
>
>I think that everyone agrees with that.  At least I do.  I think the
>real question is "why is my little girl adopting all of these 'female'
>roles when I didn't try to push her in that direction?"  Or vice versa
>for boys.  Or whatever.  Yes, people should be people.  But don't be
>surprised when your little boy is more agressive than you little girl.

I am not so sure everyone agrees with that.  I have seen people shocked
to discover that my 2.5yo carrying a doll was a boy (the shocked person 
was a female airport security guard who looked to be ~20).  I have 2 boys
who are very different in some ways, and very similar in other ways.  I 
am sure that if one of them was a girl, people would try to explain these
differences by gender.  I have listened to my son's grade 1 teacher describe
some behaviour he was exhibitting at school, after which she said, but
that's to be expected from a boy.  But I did *exactly* the same thing
when I was in grade 1, and in case it is not clear from my name, I was
not a boy when I was in grade 1.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:37:47 GMT

I have a friend with a 6 week old baby boy.  She called in tears last night.
Seems that Charles HATES to ride in the car in his carseat.  He cried all the
way home from the hospital ( 1 1/2 hours) when he was discharged.  He has
cried during almost every car ride he has taken since then (including a trip
from Kentucky to Flordia :^( ).
 
Mom and Dad have tried everything that they could think of - making sure
Charles is fed and tired before the car ride, changing from a regular to
an infant carseat, etc.  Nothing helps.  He doesn't stop crying and often
cries so hard he chokes.  My friend said that he is a happy baby otherwise,
seldom cries.
 
I told her that maybe he was carsick (but wouldn't he throw up if he was?).
 
I also told her that one of my children became a happy traveler when we
were able to turn the carseat around so that she was facing frontwards (but
it will be several months before Charles is old enough for front facing).
 
My last piece of useful :^) advice was that maybe it was something that
Charles would outgrow someday.
 
Charles is happy in the car if he is on Moms lap nursing or sleeping.
 
Since the trip to Flordia (when he spent many hours snuggled in Moms lap
because they couldn't stand the screaming), he has been more clingy and
wants to be held, but he doesn't scream uncontrolably anywhere but in the
car.
 
Has anyone had any similar experience and could offer me any advice that I
can pass on to my friend?
Thanks,
Teresa