HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: high HCG results need net wisdom again
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:04:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


Sorry to follow up;  my mailer can't handle .UUCP addresses.
In article <445@bit.UUCP> lisa@bit.UUCP (Lisa Lowell) writes:
>I haven't posted since last year about this time when I had questions about 
>Triploidy.  Thanks to all of you I knew more than the doctor did!  Now I have
>another question.  I'm 19 weeks pregnant (3 weeks further than last time)
>and just had my AFP and HCG tests.  My AFP was "normal" 1.32 but my HCG was
>high 3.06.  This makes for a high risk downs syndrom child so I am told.
>Using the test results and my age they predicted the chances to be 1 in 193.
>I DON'T WANT AN AMNIO!  But this is the only way to tell for sure.  I need
>suggestions and support from you guys again!  Has anyone had similar test
>results?  What was the outcome?  Did you have an amnio?  Anyone had an amnio?
>How bad was it truthfully?  I've heard that they are worse than giving birth?

The single most important question for you to answer is, "What would I
do with the results of an amnio?"  If you would prefer to terminate a
pregnancy where the fetus had Down's syndrome, or if you would not
terminate, but would want to be prepared before birth, then you need
the information an amniocentesis would give you.  If you would never
terminate a Down's pregnancy, and if you feel that the information
that the fetus had Down's (or was healthy) would not be useful to you,
then there is no reason to do an amnio.
                      
Ask yourself:  "Which is worse: amniocentesis, or not knowing whether
my high-risk fetus has Down's?"  This is a very personal question that
only you can answer.

I haven't had an amnio, but my friends who have generally reported it
as "not fun, but not that bad".  I have never heard *anybody* say it
was worse than childbirth!  

Good luck.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"I'm sorry, I turned off my hearing aid.  Could you repeat the
question, please?"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Birth Story & moving with a newborn
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:36:57 GMT

In article <BvvpIt.38D@news.larc.nasa.gov>, lisa@icase.icase.edu (Lisa A. Leutenegger) writes:
|> [most of great birth story deleted]
|> 
|> so we had asked one of our midwives if she thought there was some connection
|> between the full moon and birth.  Her opinion was that more women come in
|> with their water already broke during a full moon - so I'm just another
|> statistic for her.  Our midwives didn't want us to call them until morning
|> if the water was clear since they don't have a time limit for birth after
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> the water breaks so I went back to bed.
|> .....

I've often wondered what midwives do if the water *isn't* clear, which was
the case for me with baby #3.  He was overdue and had pooped in the amniotic
fluid, so my water was greenish-black.  My OB just said he would have to 
suction him extra good when he finally made his way out but before he was 
"allowed" to breath.  This didn't seem to be a "big problem".  But the OB 
of a friend of mine did an immediate caesarean on her because of this (SHE 
says that was his only reason for doing a caesarean.

So what do midwives say about this?

Jan
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: corr. between overdue/c-sec.
Date: 17 Oct 1992 01:59:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


It seems that induction causes more c-sections (just from all
the reading I've done, and talking to lots of women about their
birth experiences, and talking to midwives) because a Pitocin
induced labor causes abnormally strong contractions which are
harder for mom and baby to deal with than contractions that
aren't artificially induced.  They tend to be longer and closer
together, and the baby gets less blood/oxygen during a
contraction, so if a woman is having longer contractions that
are closer together than they might be normally, the baby is
receiving less oxygen and therefore becomes stressed more
easily.
From: lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:54:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:LOWRY.92Oct7170735@rotor.watson.:1876523096:cdp:1427100037:000:282
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Oct  8 07:54:00 1992


Girls *do* get attacked on school playgrounds often
enough.  I personally was attacked from first through
eighth grade.  I fought back every time, and made
sure no blow went unreturned, but my attackers both
outweighed me (I had skipped a grade) and outnumbered
me.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:31:49 GMT
Reply-To: belize!millerj@steinmetz.UUCP (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	I first felt grown up when my father died at age 57 and I kind of became
the parent for my mother.  (I.e. she calls me & my husband with questions about
investments, house & car repairs, dealing with my siblings, etc.) My sibling
still call her for help with problems but I really don't anymore.  It's really
a wierd feeling when the role reversal happens.


Julia
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:57:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:

> Is that the real reason?  _Could_ you have licked the girl if you
> had tried?  Prior to puberty there are a lot of girls who are
> physically stronger than a lot of boys.  I used to get beat up
> every day by a girl when I was 9.  If I had thought I had a chance
> I think I would have taken her on.

> Or maybe it's better for your mental health if you remember it
> your way, whether it happened that way or not.

  When I was in elementary school, I was occasionally chased and beaten up
by about a half-dozen girls.  I don't think there was much I could have
done against those odds, even if I wanted to.  Back then girls were
"allowed" to kick, but boys wouldn't do a "sissy" thing like that.
Presumably the martial arts movies over the past few years have changed
the latter attitude.  The practice of telling boys never to hit girls is
probably still around, though.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carrie@cjt.b11.ingr.com (Carrie Thompson)
Subject: Brethine & pre-term contractions??
Reply-To: carrie@cjt.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:36:11 GMT

Hi--

Well, after having a *relatively* easy first pregnancy, I seem to be 
starting my share of problems...   I've been having mild contractions for 
a few days now-- they start after I've been up and moving around for 
a while, and they stop if I get off my feet.  They never get closer than 
~10 minutes when they get regular.  They don't get stronger, either.  

Anyway, I saw my OB today (2nd time in a couple days :-\), and he would like 
me to take something called "Brethine."  He said to take it easy, but he 
didn't put me on bedrest or anything... yet.  (When I'm at work, I can put 
my feet up, etc., and the contractions stop.)  His concern is that I'm only 
at 32 weeks, and he'd like us (and *I* would like us) to get a few more 
weeks in before this baby arrives on the scene.  (Much as I want to meet this 
kid, this is one case where I'd like to wait for a while...) ;-)

Okay, has anyone had to take Brethine?  The doc said it's to inhibit the 
contractions.  Anyone got a PDR handy, and feel like sending me a 
description?  TIA.... 

(I should have known a baby of mine would decide it might want to show 
up early... I've never been able to stand waiting, either!! :-) ;-)

Carrie Thompson
(Mom-to-be, Dec. 5th)

someday I'll have a .sig... until then, standard disclaimer-- all opinions 
are mine (some of them are even rational)!!





Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.guns
From: markr@mot.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Reply-To: markr@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: MCIL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.214722.15469@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Followups out of misc.legal
>
>In article <1992Oct12.171106.25965@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>>Someone asked about relative stats between the dangers of unsecured
>>pools and unsecured firearms. My world almanac shows that in 1990, the
>>number of drownings per 100,000 was 1.9 and the number of deaths from
>>firearms accidents was 0.6. I will add that many researchers believe the
>>number of deaths from firearms accidents is inflated by sympathetic
>>investigators who report a suicide as an accident so the survivors
>>will receive insurance benefits.
>
>But did you subtract the majority of drownings that don't occur in
>unsecured pools?  (Beaches, bathtubs, lakes...)

Then you have to also subtract the deaths due to unsecured firearms. (i.e. In
an unlocked cabinet, in a drawer, in a car or truck, all those which don't have
trigger locks or aren't in a safe or other locked cabinet)

Mark



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re:When did you feel "grown-up"
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:28:16 GMT



I'm 28 years old. I'd like to play "KICK THE CAN."

This answer your question?

Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:28:36 GMT

lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) inquires:

>When has anybody in this entire thread ever claimed that violence is
>not justified as self-defense against violence?  When has anybody ever
>claimed that one should not prepare one's children to defend themselves?

Why Andy, I'm glad you asked.  Diane claimed it.  In fact, she's
trying to implement it.  That kid is not going to be prepared to
defend himself (at least, not prepared by his parents.  Maybe he could
watch some Bugs Bunny cartoons.)

To wit: "we're raising Dylan to be non-violent and non-aggressive."

(I suspect an answer could be found for your first question as well,
 but I shall refrain.)
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:03:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.205839.976@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.194400.1479@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>
>>	What is one of the principal items that kids react to, according
>>	to Feingold?
>>
>>	Artificial Food colorings and dies!!
>>
>>	And what are these things made of??????
>>
>>	PETROLEUM!!!!!!!!!!
>
>"Made *from*" not "made *of*"!  Back to Chem 101...
>
	Oh.  We've got a 5th food group!

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25567 sci.med:18791
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:20:55 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1992Oct7.120343.12568@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.205839.976@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.194400.1479@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>>>	And what are these things made of??????
>>>
>>>	PETROLEUM!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>"Made *from*" not "made *of*"!  Back to Chem 101...
>>
>	Oh.  We've got a 5th food group!

Not at all.  The four food groups are sugar, starch, fat and salt.
Petroleum is obviously a member of the fat family.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: bmartin@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Barb Martin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: IV or not to IV (was Re: Last week was certainly eventful!)
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:01:59 GMT
Reply-To: bmartin@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Barb Martin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR World Telecomputing Operations - Dayton, OH

I am a lurker in this newsgroup, so please excuse any mistakes.

I have been following this discussion on IV's very closely.  I understand why
many women do not want an IV, but I need to tell my story.  It boils down to
this; if I had not had an IV connected up before the delivery of my daughter
two and a half years ago, I would not be alive to write this now.  Let me
explain.

I had an easy labor.  My labor start at approximately 5:00 am and my baby 
girl was born at 11:31 am.  I had no drugs except for a local in the vaginal
area at the time of the birth.  They did connect me up to an IV somewhere
around 10:00 am.

I had torn alot during the birth.  It took the doctor about an hour to get me
sewn up.  My baby weighed 9lbs, 3 1/2oz and I am not that big.  I felt fine,
but the doctor said I had lost approximately 1500 cc of blood.

About a half hour after the doctor left, they brought my daughter back to me.
There had been marconium in my water, so she had to stay in the transission
nursery for observation.  For some reason I felt very weak when they put her
in my arms.  In fact I could not hold her.

My husband called the nurse, who immediately hit the automatic blood pressure
device.  My blood pressure had fallen to 47 over 37.  The next thing I knew
the place was going wild.  Since my doctor had left the hospital, they called
the head OB nurse.  By this time my blood pressure was down to 37 over 17.

The OB nurse immediately opened my IV tube and started squeezing the fluid
bag.  Slowly my blood pressure started going back up until it stablized.  They
continued the IV for the next 24 hrs.

I realize this is long and I don't mean to scare anyone.  I just wanted to
show you there is a reason for the IV.  If I had not already been hooked up
to the IV, I would have died, for there was no time to put one in place.

By the way, this was my second delivery and I did not have this problem the
first time.
-- 
Barb Martin
IRM Infrastructure Operations
Barb.Martin@cipc1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
...!uunet!ncrcom!cipc1!bmartin
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Infant snowsuit questions
Keywords: snowsuit babybag
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3747
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <ld85roINNqav@news.bbn.com> dleach@cc4.bbn.com (Deborah Leach) writes:
>During each of my son's first winter, we used a two-piece snowsuit.  The
>jacket was enough for the car and trips to the store - sometimes I used 
>long underwear under their pants if it was extra cold.  If we were going
>to be outside (for a walk), I would put the snowpants on too.  This worked
>fine for us.  

My son uses a snowsuit that consists of a jacket and overall-style snow pants.
This has worked really well, and this winter will be his second winter in this
suit.  The overalls keep the snow from going down his pants or up his back,
and he can use the jacket by itself.  My mother bought it for $30-40 at 
K-Mart, and it has held up great.

My daughter was born last January, and I used a Baby Bag for her, which I
highly recommend.  It was easy to slip her in and out of it.  She'd often
fall asleep after being in the car, and I'd bring her in the house and
unzip the Baby Bag without waking her up and let her sleep in the carseat.
The only drawback for us was that she developed an inexplicable hatred of
the thing at about three months, and would not tolerate being put in it,
even if we left her arms out.  However, by that time winter was almost over.
Even though we only used it for three months, it was worth it.  This year,
my daughter has a one-piece snowsuit.  I got this one just for the warmth
factor, since she won't be walking much this winter yet.  

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey)
Subject: infant excema
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:01:16 GMT


My 11 month old daughter has atopic dermatitis (aka infant excema).  The
dermatologist has given us some topical medicine and moisturizers as well a
list of "dry skin do's and don't's" including directions for bathing.

I would like to hear from other parents with children with this condition.
What worked and didn't work?  How do you minimize outbreaks?  When did your
child outgrow it?  My daughter has not yet discovered how to effectively
scratch when she itches (she just wiggles and rubs her legs and arms), but I
think I'll need suggestions to prevent her from scratching.  Can anyone
recommend a shampoo (she's just now getting enough hair to shampoo)?  Can
anyone recommend a sunscreen which won't irritate her skin?

Thanks in advance, 
anne
From: pjs@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM (Peter J. Stonard)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:49:42 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

It's late, I'm tired, I found this thread and it made me laugh.
Thanks everyone.

May  I contribute:

An old boss was: Richard (don't call me Dick) Sticka.

A current race car driver is Dick Trickle.

Enjoy!!


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Peter J. Stonard        +                                /^\  /^\
Grass Valley Group      +                       /^\     /   \/
Grass Valley, CA. 95945 +                     /     \ /    /  
pjs@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com  +     Fish keeper in the Sierra Foothills
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If it looks like; sounds like; quacks like; an Opinion. It's mine.
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help needed on tattletales :0)
Keywords: tattletales
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:41:39 GMT

bigstar@stein.u.washington.edu (J. Paschel) writes:

> 
> 
> I am a graduate student in Sociology at the University of Washington.  As
> part of a seminar on methodological problems related to the study of
> Deviance, we are attempting to come up with a plan for studying juvenile
> tattletales.  This is one segment of a broader proposal to study all types
> of snitches, from corporate whistle blowers, to honor code upholders, to
> kindergarten tattletales. ...Yes, we are getting many millions of your tax
> dollars to sit around and think of such issues :)
> 
> I am choosing to define juvenile tattle-tales as those children between
> roughly the ages of 4 to 8 who seem to display a pattern of tattletale
> behavior.  By "tattletale behavior" I mean repeated warnings or pleas to
> an adult that another young child has done something "wrong". 
> 
> What I am interested in is any information which you feel might be of
> interest.  Such info may include (but is not limited to) the following: 
> 
> - Citations of possible references in any of the pertinent literatures to
>   this topic. 
> 
> - First hand accounts of your experiences with juvenile tattletales.
> 
> - Your thoughts, feelings, or insights on possible origins of this behavior. 
> 
> - Anything else you feel appropriate.
> 
> If desired, I will certainly post a summary of whatever info I get.  If
> you have any advice, suggestions, or comments, please feel free to e-mail. 
> Please direct all correspondence to: 
> 
> 		bigstar@stein.u.washington.edu
> 
> Thank you for your time, attention, thoughts, and comments.

Is it a necessary part of your definition that the tattletales
give the teacher information about behavior that does not involve
themselves personally?  ["Johnny threw a spitball!"]  What is it
called if they inform the teacher about "wrong" behavior directed
at themselves?  ["Johnny threw a spitball at me!"]

--
Richard Carlson
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From: bellas@soldev.TTI.COM (Pete Bellas)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Board Games
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:10:51 GMT
Reply-To: bellas@soldev.TTI.COM (Pete Bellas)
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.

Number one:
Is there an FAQ summary recommendation for board games? If so a pointer
to the owner would be appreciated.

If not I would like to solicit oppinions on the hundreds of (mostly boring)
board games that are out there.  My son (5) has just become interested
in (and capable of) playing board games and has a few he really enjoys,
but most
of the ones we have looked at are not very much fun.  His current favorite
is "Don't feed the Gators" which is a very well thought out but simple game.
Suggestions along those lines would be appreciated.

Suggestions (+ and -) along with an appropriate age group could be emailed
to me (I can't keep up with the traffic on this group) and I will summarize
to the net (or for addition to the FAQ).

TIA

			-Pete-

* Pete Bellas                   "Cogito ergo spud"                         *
* Citicorp/TTI                       I think therefore I yam.              *
* Santa Monica, CA                                                         *
* bellas@gamma.tti.com                                                     *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: questions: baby monitors
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:31:56 GMT

Randall Morey <rmorey@utrcv1> writes:
>You can get an FM monitor set from Radio Shack (standard disclaimer) or 
>somewhere else, but be sure it's FM. Check for the standard frequency of
>49 MHz. They are *extremely* quiet, and you can hear a whisper easily.
>
>One word of caution: 49 MHz is also the standard frequency for walkie-talkies.
>If your kids have 49MHz w-t's, they may interfere with them when they're 
>playing with them. As with any monitor, be aware that it's possible for 
>neighbors to eavesdrop.

Some co-workers of ours claim that their neighbours' monitor set is so
sensitive that it could pick up the sounds of mommy and daddy making love
in another room (unless maybe they got the transmitter and receiver
backwards in the hurry for a quicky before baby woke up again?).

Apparently it was somewhat embarrasing knowing the names the neighbours
had for each other during passionate moments, especially since these
friends telling the story had visitors at the time.  (Filling in the
blanks, I'd imagine the visitors picked the thing up and tried a channel
scan...)

Another friend tells the story of, after finally finding one of the four
channels available that didn't have too many other babies on it, one day
taking her daughter out for a walk.  They met another mother and baby out
on the sidewalk, stopped for a chat, which led to the remark "Ohhh, so you
must be the one who uses channel D whose husband calls the baby <babykins
or whatever the cute name was>".

BTW, welcome to my first post in this group.  Our first is due Nov. 17th.
We don't have a monitor yet.  :-)
-- 
Anthony DeBoer   NAUI # Z8800, D5482 | Why watch TV, when Netnews provides
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