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From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen)
Subject: Re: Possible S.A. team vs. India
Date:  8 Oct 92 05:29:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pretoria, South Africa
Keywords: my selection

sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:
>	Now, some questions. Have been hearing about this guy, supposedly a
>paceman , called Tertius Bosch. From what I've gathered , he's faster than
>maybe a McMillan and Snell ? How about Pringle, is he faster than him too
>(I don't suppose he's close to Donald's pace is he ? For the sake of the
>Indian team, I hope not :-) Is he likely to make the team at all ?
Tertius Bosch is a pace bowler playing for Northern Transvaal. Last
season he was supposedly the fastest in South Africa (yes faster than
Donald), but for some reason he has little penetration. This lack of
quality could have a lot to do with bad captaincy in his province. He
someone can fix his head, he might become a great strike bowler.  He
might make the team for the tests ad not the ODI's. He had a great
match against the West Indies.

>	Also, read this book by Richard Evans  on the rebel England tour,
>he mentioned Omar Henry as a prospectively terrific test bowler, tho he
>didn't seem to think much of him for the ODI's . Is that true ? I mean,
>is he one of the last few guys left who has the guts to flight the ball, or
>does he bowl flat as well ? 
He does indeed like to flight the ball; but then most bats here like
to hit him too. I don't think you will see him in a national side this
year. BTW, he is over 40!

>	And Evans also mentioned Mark Rushmere in the book, claimed he was
>very very good. I've tried to follow Rushmere a bit since, he hasnt been
>terrific - one inning for about 35 in the WC and not much in WI. Will he
>make the team , do you think, maybe at #3 ? After all, you wouldn't have to
>look for someone like Rhodes to be 5, could just drop someone down the
>order. 
I'm not too much of a Ruchmere fan. He lacks the class of the other
openers / #3. With a large number of promising top and middle order batsmen,
he is doubtful. The selectors have included Jimmy Cook in the national
squad and this might exclude Rushmere.

>	And finally, about the keeper slot. Forgotten the guys name, but
>Evans mentioned the guy who kept in the rebel test as comparable to anyone
>in the world, and claimed Richardson only played the ODI's because he
>was considered to be able to "get a move on" better than this other guy. Is
>Richardson now a certainty for the test team as well ? 
The 'other guy' is Ray Jennings ('Jet') who used to be a terrific keeper.
Richardson was played because he is supposedly a better bat. (He
started of as an opener for Eastern Province, where they made a keeper
out of him.) It should be clear to everyone now that he can't bat and
can't keep. Jet is close to the end of his career (same say he is past
that) and the keeper slot is the biggest headache right now.
Both Jet and Richardson is currently in the national squad, with
Richardson the #1 it seems.

Pieter Vermeulen
From: karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Indian XI v/s World XI series
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:11:36 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


	The first week of October saw a three-match series between an Indian
XI and a World XI. These were benefit matches for Shivlal Yadav,
B.G.Chandrasekhar and someone else. Apparently the matches were to be played
seriously (not festival games). I only have here the result of the first match
played at Hyderabad.

World XI - 240 for 9 in 50 overs (Boon 40, Haynes 57, Lara 47, Srinath 5-32)
India XI - 202 all out in 48.3 overs (Srikkanth 30, Sidhu 30, Manjrekar 22,
                                      Tendulkar 26, Azhar 20)


	Among the World XI players were Richardson (capt), Ambrose, Bishop,
Mark Waugh, Gladstone Small, Sanath Jayasuriya, Roshan Mahanama, Aquib Javed.

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From: trevor@bcserv.wustl.edu (Creamer (Trevor))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Australian Cricket Season
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:10:30 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
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Keywords: Domestic one day comp.

I believe the Australian domestic one-day tournament has (just)
begun. Could some kind soul from back home please post some
scores (preferably throughout the season :-) ? Thanks. This is
my only real access to what's going on back there and I'm sure
the same is true for many Aussies over here.
Cheers,
       Trevor

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From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World rankings
Date: 13 Oct 1992 13:15:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Oct13.154319.18831@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>7. SOUTH AFRICA

>8. SRI LANKA

Please tell us your reason for this order.  I have no real problems with the
rest of the order (you might want to switch Aus & WI).

Getting back to SL and SA, however, there is very little to suggest that 
SA is capable of beating SL.  The only time the two sides met, SL beat SA.
That was six months ago in the World Cup.

SL has also beaten every other Test playing country in One-day games.
SA has yet to do so.  Granted it has not had the chance to prove it can.
I would rank SL  and SA even/tied or give SL an edge.
This has nothing to do with the fact that I am an SL'n.
Honest! :-)

>I'm sure I've offended just about everyone with these rankings :-) :-)

Not yet!

>tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper

- Deep Third Man


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From: ganesh@cs.albany.edu (Ganesh Murugesan)
Subject: Re: Some stats re the Indian team to tour SA/Zim
Originator: ganesh@karp.albany.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, SUNY at Albany, Albany, NY 12222
	<1992Oct11.215234.16265@uceng.UC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:49:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.215234.16265@uceng.UC.EDU> bnataraj@uceng.UC.EDU (Bhaskar Natarajan) writes:


> >Are you sure Kapil Dev has 7 test hundreds ? I thought he had just 2...
> >
> >Mahesh.
> 
> 	And i tho't he had 4....
> 
> Bhaskar
>

Break Up of Kapil's Hundred's (that i remember)

1. 126* against West Indies at Kanpur 1978-79
2. 125* against WI at Port of Spain 1982-83
3. 104  against Australia in Madras 1985-86 (Tied Test)
4. 156* against Sri Lanka, Kanpur 1987 (Azar made 199 in this  match)
5.
6.
7.

Can someone fill the rest !!
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From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Kapil's Hundreds
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:34:47 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct13.160621.4748@desire.wright.edu>,
sturumella@desire.wright.edu says:
>
>Kapil did not get 116 against England in 81-82 as stated, at Kanpur. In 81-82
>India toured England under Gavaskar's captaincy and Kapil made a hundred
>there in one of those matches. In fact he was declared man of the series i
>think

would you like to make a small wager on that? kapil did score the 116 at kanpur
as stated, reaching his 100 off only 83 balls.
on the english tour he got 41 (69 balls), 89 (55 balls), 65 (55 balls) and 97
(93 balls) for a total of 292 (272 balls) at 73.00
yes, he was the man of the series.


Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: sr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shrisha Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: India's forthcoming tours
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:39:09 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

There has been a lot of discussion on the net recently re the merits of
selection or non-selection of various players into the Indian team.
There is another issue which is, in my view, of at least as much
importance. That is the selection of umpires for the SA/Zim series. As
Zimbabwe has not played tests before, and SA has been out of the
international reckoning for a while, I figure there might be a shortage
of well-qualified umpires who could do a good job at the international
level. It would have been better if neutral umpires had been appointed
for the tour, tho I don't think the standard of umpiring in SA or
Zimbabwe will be as abysmally low as it was when India toured Australia,
where the glaring omissions and commissions of sin by Messrs. King et al
are too well-known to need repetition. It would still be good, tho, to
avoid situations where either side can give the umpires' inexperience or
incompetence as an excuse for its own lapses. 
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From: warren@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Warren Turner)
Subject: The Naenae express
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.0
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:37:32 GMT



Alright, alright ...

No-ones trying to compare Ewan Chatfield with the Windies or Aussie, or
any other great fast bowler. That's because he wasn't fast. He was
at best medium-fast-medium (as opposed to medium). He certainly wasn't
mediocre though. 
   His style was ideally suited to NZ conditions - sluggish,
seaming wickets, where batsmen have to work for runs, and more than one
visiting fast bowler has met their match - I have seen a few (Windies, Aus,
Pakistani, English) fast bowlers toil away for days on some NZ wickets - 
hurling the ball into the pitch only to see it lazily lurch off & dollop
into the keepers gloves at ankle height.

(N.B. I have also seen Malcolm Marshall bowl at the basin reserve - well,
I did see him charge in and bowl - I don't think I actually saw the ball
until Dujon lobbed it to 1st slip!! One of the fastest spells of bowling
ever seen in NZ, I am sure. NZ were shot out by Garner (6w) in the 1st
innings, but batted for 2.5 days to save the match)

 Chatfield didn't try to blast batsmen out, his main weapon was to try
to frustrate them out, and there were few tighter bowlers in world
cricket than him. He has many prize scalps by this method, and he did
take over 100 test wickets.

He did complement Hadlee very well. Perhaps not as feared as other well-known
bowling partnerships, but often had match-winning results.

Maybe hard-core statistics could be dug up to assist comparisons between
bowling partnerships??

Comments???

W.T.
From: d188sid@utarlg.uta.edu (S RAMACHANDRAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: when is the first test..india v ZIMbabwe
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utarlg.15OCT199223140841
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Can anybody do all the other cricket starved Desi's by posting when the 
earliest test starts either ag ZIM or S.A ! If someone can do this then the 
rest of us can buy powerful radio's and start subsciption to India Abroad 
etc ...We need all the cricket info possible.The sooner the build up the 
better as the network of "janata " can start periodically update us w/
what's new a.f.a Indian cricket is concernedand we can generate the sort 
of fever and information as witnessed during the W.C in Australia.

Question:
what does W.V.Raman have in common w/:
1) Neil Harvey.
2) David Gower.
3) Salim Durrani.
4) Gary Sobers.

The Lazy Elegance and Class!!

Go W.V! Go Madras!
Madras and Mylapore is the place to be in!!
Hot Masala Dosai Rs. 5.00, Medhu Vadai Rs.3.75 and Filter Coffee 1.25..
Besh Besh Romba Nalla Irrukku!!!
Maan what am I doing In this F***HOLE!!
Stranger in a strange land...the loneliness of the long distance runner..
IRON MAIDEN RULES...! WHY COULDN'T I HAVE GONE TO GRAD SCHOOL IN ENG,AUSTRALIA
OR NZ OR JAMAICA!!BOO...HOOOO..HOOOOO(SOB..SOB)!!

***** SIDD******
P.S: IF U MISS CRICKET AS BADLY AS I DO ..THEN F****ING SAY SO!!IT'LL ATLEAST
MAKE ME FEEL BETTER!!
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From: m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA)
Subject: Best batting, bowling, and fielding sides
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:19:00 GMT

but what about the best batting, bowling, and fielding sides.
 	The following are my opinions, and i believe are not very far from 
reality.
	BEST BATTING SIDE:
	There is hardly any doubt that india has the best batting lineup
atleast on paper and based on individual performances. SRT, Azhar, 
manjrekar, and shastri in this order is the backbone of indian batting.
	if india had a decent bowling lineup, it would be hard to imagine
any side beating them in either OD or tests. Rest of the teams are
kind of mixed. Englands batting is very strong on paper but their
brittlity (or brittleness) was exposed squarely by pakistan. WI is
in the same mold as england. Australia's batting has not been this 
week for years. Pakistani batting is not at all storng on paper
but they have delivered the goods. miandad and malik share the main
responsiblity. Inzamam has been a failure in england, not counting
his feats in the side games. 

	BEST BOWLING SIDE:
	few teams may lay claim to be the  best in this dept., but 
certainly pakistan has an edge, both in speed and spin. WI may come a close
second and australia third. England is no where close, probably even 
behind SA. NZ and india are more or less at the same level. dont know much
about SL and ZIM.

	BEST FIELDING SIDE:
	As seen in WC, Australia is by far the best, followed by SA
and england.
	
	
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From: amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning)
Subject: Re: NZ Tour to Zimbabwae
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:54:33 GMT

In article <Bw4voy.7xB@comp.vuw.ac.nz> John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan) writes:
>
>Further to my last post NZ is touring Zimbabwae NOT SriLanka. They'll be
>playing two tests. The international/neutral umpire for the two tests will be
>none other than T.C. Dickie Bird himself.

When??

>
>PS Martin Crowe is still in bed...

Why??

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From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Australian cricket season starts ......
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:53:13 GMT

In article <92290.085107SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> In article <719189425@flounder.cs.duke.edu>, azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman
|> [Quintessential] Azhar) says:
|> >
|> >
|> >           "Those", who commented that India won the 1983 world cup by
|> >fluke, included our superhero Sunil Gavaskar. :-)
|> >
|> >>>India proved it was not
|> >>>by winning the 1985 Mini World Cup by defeating all its opponents.
|> >
|> >           Sunil Gavaskar Esquire labelled that as "FLUKE 2".
|> >
|> what's your source for these quotes? in none of the interviews after the
|> "mini" WC did sunny say it was a fluke. in fact india followed this series
|> with another 3 victories in the rothmans(?) cup in sharjah. you can't win
|> 8 or 9 ODI's in a row by fluke.
|> >           Sir, you have got your facts wrong, for India did not beat at
|> >least 3 teams that it never played. :-)
|> >
|> however, india beat every team it played comprehensively, something that no
|> other WC winning team has done- even the WI of 75 and 79 had 2-3 close matches.
|> 


I have to come out and say this, even though me pakistani, India is the best
team in the world, best batsmen and best kapil dev. We nearly won the world cup
if it wasn't for the rain and a few other matches we lost. After playing
for four months in australia and getting used to the weather, the weather
suddenly changed, it is not there fault. They good team, they also have
gavaskar and he very good player. you see in South Africa they beat south
africa , you see.

sahibzada rafay khan [ that takes a load of my chest]

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From: amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:59:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.164229.11253@waikato.ac.nz> sma@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Anderson) writes:
>Well, since someone first posted there best and worst sides since 1970, I have
>been struggling to come up with the equivalent for NZ.  I have been hampered by
>
>Best side since 1970
>
>1. Glenn Turner (c)
>2. John Wright
>3. Bevan Congdon
>4. Martin Crowe
>5. Mark Greatbach
>6. Jeremy Coney
>7. Richard Hadlee
>8. Ian Smith
>9. Bruce Taylor
>10.Hedley Howarth
>11.Ewen Chatfield
>
You have to have Andrew Jones in here somewhere. While not as pretty, he's
more consistent than Crowe (analogies to the Gooch vs Gower debate). I
would make Crowe the captain, and keep him in for this reason, and get rid
of Greatbatch (make him 12th man), who, despite his World Cup successes,
and a one off brilliant bat against Australia a couple of years ago, hasn't
really proved himself as a consistent performer (yet).

Andrew M.


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From: tbaig@spot.wrc.xerox.com (taqi baig)
Subject: test
Organization: Xerox
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:32:01 GMT
From: guptar@ucs.orst.edu (Rakesh Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: india vs Zimb.
Date: 12 Oct 1992 18:44:51 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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X-Unparseable-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT)



What are the dates for Test match between India and Zimbabwe?

thanks

rakesh gupta

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From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 04:34:21 GMT

In article <Bvz8Cr.At4@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan) writes:
|> [stuff about bowling partnerships deleted!]
|> 
|> >So Hadlee owes his wickets to Chatfield?   This is my last word on these so
|> >called bowling partnerships.  Why is it that one-bowler teams never put
|> >together a solid string of performances at test level, even when the one bowler
|> >in question is returning very impressive figures?
|> 
|> [more stuff about bowling partnerships deleted!]
|> 
|> >He can hold his head high as a mediocre bowler who had the privelege of bowling
|> >opposite a great bowler.
|> 
|> >McBean
|> 
|> NO. He can hold his head high as one of the world's most economical bowlers.
|> In the 80s world of PACE he dominated with consistent line and length, and
|> is a model for every young bowler today.


 Worlds most economical bowler, you mean a good stock bowler. There are
thousands of bowlers who are good at bowling up and down. But to great 
you have to do more.

Imran, Kapil and Hadlee owe there large number of wickets to good stock 
bowlers from the other side. We have to admit that Marshall, followed by
Garner and Holding were a level above. 

sahibzada rafay khan[]
From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Neutral Umpires for Ind/Zim test
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


      BBC today announced that National Grid will be sponsoring a pilot project
of neutral umpires for test cricket. The first test under that scheme will be
the India Zimbabwe test starting this Sunday. Dicky Bird will be one of the
officiating umpires. Steve Bucknell and David Sheppard (there seem to be some
other names which I missed ) will be officiating in Ind SA tests.

      The on again, off again three umpire and TV replay proposal for Ind/SA
tests is on again. Yesterday, BCCI said that it does not agree with the SA
board's proposal. But today, Harsha Bogle said that Ajit Wadekar was given the
mandate to discuss with the SA management and the proposal seems to be
acceptable now.

      Two Aussie test umpires are suing an Australian newspaper for libel in
one of Gavaskar's articles during Indian tour of Australia.


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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The Naenae express
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:48:27 GMT
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <199210140337.AA19351@circa.comp.vuw.ac.nz> warren@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Warren Turner) writes:
>
>
>Alright, alright ...
>
>No-ones trying to compare Ewan Chatfield with the Windies or Aussie, or
>any other great fast bowler. That's because he wasn't fast. He was
>at best medium-fast-medium (as opposed to medium). He certainly wasn't
>mediocre though. 
>   His style was ideally suited to NZ conditions - sluggish,
>seaming wickets, where batsmen have to work for runs, and more than one
>visiting fast bowler has met their match - I have seen a few (Windies, Aus,
>Pakistani, English) fast bowlers toil away for days on some NZ wickets - 
>hurling the ball into the pitch only to see it lazily lurch off & dollop
>into the keepers gloves at ankle height.
>
>(N.B. I have also seen Malcolm Marshall bowl at the basin reserve - well,
>I did see him charge in and bowl - I don't think I actually saw the ball
>until Dujon lobbed it to 1st slip!! One of the fastest spells of bowling
>ever seen in NZ, I am sure. NZ were shot out by Garner (6w) in the 1st
>innings, but batted for 2.5 days to save the match)
>
> Chatfield didn't try to blast batsmen out, his main weapon was to try
>to frustrate them out, and there were few tighter bowlers in world
>cricket than him. He has many prize scalps by this method, and he did
>take over 100 test wickets.
>
>He did complement Hadlee very well. Perhaps not as feared as other well-known
>bowling partnerships, but often had match-winning results.
>
>Maybe hard-core statistics could be dug up to assist comparisons between
>bowling partnerships??
>
>Comments???
>
>W.T.
>
Thank you!  At last someone has articulated what I've been fuming 
incoherently about for days.  Many people have mistakenly said
that NZ were a one-man side through the "Hadlee era", only to eat
their words later on.  Mike Gatting compared NZ w/o Hadlee to the
"Ilford 2nd XI", only to lose to them...  NZ were virtually 
unbeatable at home for many years, largely due to bowlers like
Chatfield, Sneddon and Watson bowling appropriately for local 
conditions.  The much vaunted WIndies pace quartets struggled 
on the last 2 tours to NZ, losing one series, and drawing the next.
I would say more, but I fear for McBeans sides, which must have
ruptured by now :-)

Cheers, Paul


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