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From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: FISCHER-SPASSKY II BOOKS
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:45:12 GMT

Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:

>The Inside Chess book of the match is called "No Regrets" (I believe), and
>has detailed notes of each game by Seirawan (and some comments by Suttles),
>as well as a number of interesting interviews with all sorts of players,
>including Botvinnik, on the match and how Fischer is playing.

>I proofed it about two weeks ago, and I think it will be available in about
>another three or four weeks.


...and do you recommend this book?  Highly?  I'll probably buy one or two
books on the match, and your input is appreciated.
From: kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Summary: Actually, this isn't from Don...
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:56:01 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In a previous article, mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg) saith:

>[much good stuff, deleted for brevity]

>I hear that Dennis Baker is also readying a rebuttal...and
>we can leave them to it.

I've only been reading rec.games.chess for a couple of months, and I keep 
hearing this Dennis Baker person referred to, and always in a less than
flattering context.  My question is: Just who was this Dennis Baker, and
what precisely did he do to make himself so, uh, "popular"?

Inquiring minds want to know...


-kevin
kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Wolff wins US Championship
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:29:50 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Seirawan didn't get seeded into the interzonal by rating??  I know
there's been a ton of ratings inflation, but I thought Seirawan's FIDE
was 2620 -- wouldn't that be good enough to get him in automatically?

BTW -- I hope Kamsky does as well this time around as he did last time!

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 20 Dec 1992 11:02:25 CST
From: Howard Wachtel <U13054@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Mchess Pro

In article <1grateINN9dq@pith.uoregon.edu>, kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen)
says:
>
>In article <1992Dec17.212902.22413@osf.org> cliu@osf.org (Chauncy Liu) writes:
>>I have 286 with 1M RAM (30M hard disc) 12MHz,
>
>My condolences.

   You can send me your condolences too, since I have the same hardware
as the above (but a larger hard drive).

>
>Seriously, don't even *think* about running M-Chess Pro on this primitive
>system.  It wants 12 Meg to run its hash tables, will take 4Meg if that's
>all that's available, and God only knows what it'll do with only 1Meg.
>Will it even run?  Please consider upgrading, if you can afford it.  You'll
>get a lot more "oomph" out of MChess if you do.

   I don't have any version of MChess yet.  Would it be better from a
chess standpoint to upgrade to a 486/33 with 12 MB RAM and also buy
MChess Pro rather than simply buying the ChessMachine, whose strength
is claimed to be the best available for the PC and independent of
machine speed?  I would have guessed that the latter is more cost-effective
unless one needs a faster machine for other purposes.
________________________________________________________________
Howard K. Wachtel              University of Illinois at Chicago
U13054@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU        Phone (312) 975-7970
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: kirk@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Kirk Gunsallus)
Subject: Re: IBM Deep Blue
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.173720.126654@watson.ibm.com> fhh@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu) writes:

description of deep thought development machines ... deleted

>
>As for the match itself, I am not sure whether it is a 3-game or a 4-game
>match.  The machine is supposed to play against Swedish GM Andersson or
>Cramling on alternate days as well.
>							--Hsu

won't fatigue be a problem playing this much??
>
>


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: USCF Rating
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:36:01 GMT

In <1go81mINNoep@chnews.intel.com> sstrazdu@vulcan.intel.com (Stephen Strazdus) writes:

>I see that Kenneth Sloan has already answered the original questions, so I'll 
ask
>one more.  I played in my first tournament last weekend, and it was a 4-round
>1/4K tournament.  How is my provisional rating calculated?  Is it the same as
>above, or is the difference between winner and loser taken to be 100 instead
of
>400?  Or is it something else?

1/4K only applies once you have a permanent rating. Thus, the tournament
games count as standard provisional games.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas)
Subject: Re: US Championship Round 11 XTABLE
Summary: Shirazi's bid for a perfect score
Keywords: Shirazi, Fischer, perfect score
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:54:42 GMT

In <BzBG5F.n4@world.std.com> ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow) writes:

>16  Shirazi,Kamran      0 0 0 0 0 0 0 . . 0 . . 0 0 0 x   0
>
He's only 4 rounds away ... anyone care to speculate about Shirazi's
chances of duplicating Bobby's feat of posting a perfect score in the
U.S. Closed?

:-)

Joe
-- 
    ---------->  Joe is jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas) <----------
"How about a nice game of Chess?"
"No, let's play Global Thermonuclear War."
"Fine."
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: simonich@croatia.eng.hou.compaq.com (Chris Simonich)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:25:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.011130.26210@penet.fi> an1595@anon.penet.fi writes:
>GM Fischer indicted!
>Arrest warrant issued!!
>
>Should U.S. chessplayers
>lobby outgoing President Bush
>for an executive pardon???
>

NO.

--
======================================================
Christopher Simonich        simonich@twisto.compaq.com
Compaq Computer Corp.       [713] 374-1898
======================================================
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ntmtv!prupisvi@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Victor Prupis)
Subject: Re: Fischer Indicted
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:05:20 GMT


In article <1992Dec16.175926.23636@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Ted
Schuerzinger writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.095524.18560@husc3.harvard.edu>
>fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes:
>
>> Officially, Fischer violated the International Emergency Economic
>> Powers Act, invoked by Bush to impose sanctions on Yugoslavia.  It
>> gives the president the power to block Americans from engaging in
>> transactions with a foreign country.  The law has been used 22 since
>                              ^^^^^^^
>> 1987 to bring violators to trial.
>
>Of course, one could argue that Fischer only engaged in transactions
>with a citizen of that country -- and that might not necessarily be
>illegal.
>
>If we buy new 'Informants' does that mean we're breaking the law too? 
>The Informants are published in Belgrade, you know.
>

Relax guys, the Informant #53 was published in Cyprus...

Victor
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Rounds 14, 15?
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:06:28 GMT

I have Rounds 1-13, and the announcement of Wolff's win.  Desparately
seeking Rounds 14, 15.  Elliott?

Also...still missing is the result of the 13th round A.Ivanov-Rachels game.

[I have a slightly cleaned-up compilation of all of the games posted by
Elliott - when I get the last two rounds I will make the entire
collection available via anonymous FTP].


-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM'S AT CHESS CHOW/CHESS LIFE
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:01:44 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec9.045242.16550@u.washington.edu>, fujimoto@carson.u.washington.edu (Bryant Fujimoto) writes:
> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> 
>>Mr. Wedding pointed out that he felt the bitter emarks of the GMs were nothing
>>more than the bitterest of grapes, as there was NO evidence of any kind
>>of facts the GMs relied upon.
> 
>>That is nothing more than a call for the GMs to put up or shut up.
> 
>>So far, they have done neither.
> 
>>DMC
> 
> Mr. Crosgrove, we are probably never going to agree on this, however
> when I read Mr. Wedding original post, it read (and indeed still reads)
> to me like an attack on the character of Fischer's critics. Obviously,
> you disagree. I suspect we are not going to be able to change each
> other minds on whether or not it was an attack or not and I see no
> point in my arguing this point further.
> 
> On a more practical point, what would you do if the GMs simply replied
> that their remarks were sufficiently well supported?  Tell them again
> that they will never earn 5 million dollars in a match?  It really

The only three people in the universe who get to use "Because I said so." Are
God and your mommy and daddy.

The GMs fit into NONE of those categories.

If they want to say "Because that is how I feel." and you want to believe them
because they are GMs, perhaps we should ask the Fischer, as he is better than
them, and by such logic his word outweighs theirs. Therefore, if he said his
playing was supreme, the GMs would be obligated to believe him.

EVERYONE who is mortal must defend their words when expressed as a fact.

DMC



> doesn't seem very useful.  It would appear (IMHO) more useful to
> disect the criticisms of Fischer and lay out for everyone just how
> bad you think those criticisms are.  Mr. Wedding has started a new
> thread along these lines.  Since you obviously feel strongly about it
> you should go help him and maybe help start a letter writing campaign.
> 
> Sorry we couldn't be more in agreement.
> 
> Bryant Fujimoto
> fujimoto@denali.chem.washington.edu
> The above are my opinions and not necessarily those of anyone else.
>
From: gottesmn@ducvax.auburn.edu (Robert W. Gottesman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Gradmaster Chess
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:05:00 GMT
Organization: Auburn University--Auburn, AL
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Well, I broke down and purchased a copy of Grandmaster Chess the other day.
I had been using CM3000 for a while and while there was no GOOD reason for
switching, other than the occational bug problem, I just wanted something 
different.
	I opened the box and thought I'd look through the manual (something
I just about never do with new software).  First of all manual was missing 
FOUR pages,  Including pages 2-3 and 16-17.  Page 2 and three explain how to
install the software, I guess.  The first paragraph I saw (on page four) 
explained how AFTER installing the software I needed to locate the CodeWheel
or Card, and be prepared to answer the question after the title.  Well, I 
paniced... There was no code wheel in the box.  Nevertheless, I proceeded
to install the software and after reading the README file learned that there
was no longer any copy protection on the software.  I works fine.  I would still
like to know what is on the pages of the manual I am missing.  Isn't this
a little sloppy?  

	I also was interested in seeing how the chess rater worked.  I played
a game against "NOVICE" and proceeded to demolish the program.  I received
a rating of about 1650.  I have since played 5 other games, all against 
GRANDMASTER level.  I've lost all of them but now my rating is up to over 1750.

I guess that the formula used to compute the rating is similar to that on 
ICS, that is whatever they think that their software is rated at, they simply
subtract 400 from the victors rating and average that to the losers rating.
They do indicate that it will take at least 20 games before the rating will
be accurate.  After the 20 games, I assume there is a different formula used.

I guess that it will take A LOT of games at the grandmaster level before such
a very high provisional rating will be lowered.  It is not very often in actual
OTB chess that a novice can play against a GM, artificially raising his/her
provisional.  A better method for the program to use to rate a player would 
be to require that the player play 20 games against the computer at different
levels. 

I've not really used it enough to have any comments on anything else.  I am 
still trying to figure out some of the features to which I have no
documentation.

Robert. 
From: doug@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Doug Manley)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:12:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Son of E-Chess (was: Re: E-level Chess to enjoy)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess

Ah, yes, the days when chess used to be fun.
 
Before taking Kings was allowed in Blitz.
Before you knew Bobby was just a nutcase.
Before you felt the need to prepare for tournaments.
Before time pressure robbed you of good games.
Before rating points.
Well, at least before you had too many to lose.
Before ECO B13 line 56 note 82 could ruin your whole day.

Just after you learned about the Giouco Piano.
Just after you beat your Dad.
Just after your first tournament.
Just after beating your first A player.
Just after you began to see combinations.

Probably the first sign of danger was the en passant rule.
They never should have told us pawns could move like that.


Doug Manley
( Hey Haigh -- you were warned about the Caro....)
Copyright(c)1992
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:51:27 GMT

In article <92351.140434AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>No, he could do much to improve the quality and popularity of prison chess
>programs:-). Allen

Actually chess in the Joliet prison in Illinois is rather good.  I've a
seen a friend come out there and play 1900+ chess!  (Rather good
considering he hadn't played before going to jail)

		William Moxley
		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us
From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoiding the issues!
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:45:14 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec15.055016.4416@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.042626.23167@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu (William Chen) writes:
>>Don writes:
>>>
>>>STOP BASHING SHORT! 
>>>
>>>YOU ROTTEN JERK!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE NO BASIS! YOU ARE EVIL!!!! 
>>>I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU!!!!!!   ;-)
>>>
>>>just kidding everybody....just *PRETENDING* to flame  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>actually, i think Mr. Short will trounce Timman, and will go on to,
>>>you heard it here first.....beat gary kasparov for the FIDE championship. 
>>>
>>Uh-huh yep :-).  Then he will challenge and trounce Fischer at pawn and move
>>for 20 million and then take all comers at knight odds, going undefeated,
>>and then retire for 20 years :-).
>>
>>William
> 
> And he will do it...completely nude.
> 
> 	Jason

who? Fischer or Short? please clearify.

don wedding
p.s. i forgot to sign my "STOP BASHING SHORT" post


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ronlee@eng.umd.edu (Ronald Doon Lee)
Subject: How to classify annotation styles.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:23:33 GMT
Organization: Merriversity of Uniland, College Purgatory
Keywords: Game notes, style/type  of annotations,


With several of our netters being authors, reviewers and just plain
ole readers maybe someone can help me classify the type of annotations
out there.   When I go to a Chess Life catalogue or read a net
review, I wonder what the reviewer meant by 'detailed annotations' or
'lightly annotated' or even 'sparsely annotated'.

Currently, I'm at the level where many moves of expert/master levels are very
mysterious to me.  It reminds me of engineering/math/science texts that
say the proof is obvious.  My current financial woes prohibits me from
buying books without being very careful about the usefulness of the notes.
Books like Russian Chess and Chess-Move by Move which describe just
about every move and the current board accessments are great for my
studying.  I even think Chess-Life has made real strides in 'improving'
the prose of game notes as compared to 3 years ago.  But then again, maybe
I'm improving and retaining more from my current studies.  Guess its all
relative.

Anways, could someone list several descriptive phrases about annotations/notes 
to games and their relative worth (e.g. 'detailed-notes  == moves & plans
are presented and described, etc.)  With so many game/tournament books
out there that come highly recommended/advertised, I'm not sure  which
ones to choose!


Thanks and Happy Holidays!

Ron Lee (ronlee@eng.umd.edu)
From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: question about USCF ratings
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:17:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: gaia.1gimknINN2vh
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

What are the lifetime titles and norm points about?  
What is the difference between b and B? 
is b=1600-1699 and B=1700-1799 ???
is x=2000-2099 and X=2100-2199 ???
is m=2200-2299 and M=2300-2399 ???
is s=2400-2499 and S=2500-2599 ???  for lifetime titles?

How are norm points earned?

How come qrqr has s for lifetime title?

-benoni
From: mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoiding the issues
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:13:34 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

the legal equivelent of equivalent (somebody check the book of
USA law school accreditations).

-aries
From: 506-5054%wwiv@tweekco.uucp (Craig Jefferies #506 @5054)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: CHESS w/ Al&Oppy?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 02:07:20 GMT

Question:  I saw this game elsewhere, unsourced. Is it a
real game by the great physicists Albert Einstein
(1879-1955) and J. Robert Oppenheimer (1904-1967)?
(Are there other such game scores around?  Any by U.S.
Presidents for example?)  
WHITE: "Einstein"   BLACK: "Oppenheimer"
  1. e4             e5
  2. Nf3            Nc6            
  3. Bb5            a6             
  4. Ba4            b5             
  5. Bb3            Nf6            
  6. O-O            Nxe4           
  7. Re1            d5             
  8. a4             b4             
  9. d3             Nc5            
 10. Nxe5           Ne7            
 11. Qf3            f6             
 12. Qh5+           g6             
 13. Nxg6           hxg6           
 14. Qxh8           Nxb3           
 15. cxb3           Qd6            
 16. Bh6            Kd7            
 17. Bxf8           Bb7            
 18. Qg7            Re8            
 19. Nd2            c5             
 20. Rad1           a5             
 21. Nc4            dxc4           
 22. dxc4           Qxd1           
 23. Rxd1+          Kc8            
 24. Bxe7           resigns        

From: doug@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Doug Manley)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:07:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Who Plays Chess and Why??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess

Someone I met a tournarment once stated that chessplayers were some
of the best and some of the worst people he'd met.  I assume he was
referring to different people.

Doug Manley

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: Harvard Square Speed...
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:52:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.123156.178@ipact.com> pals@ipact.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.183849.19489@head-cfa.harvard.edu>, 
>ov@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Olaf Vancura) writes:
>> 
>> As a matter of fact this master is still in Harvard Square today!  He
>> still takes all comers at 10 mins. to 5 mins.  The ante is now $2 per game,
>> you know inflation and all.  I can't remember his name, but he tells me he 
>> is in the 2300's. I haven't seen him since the winter season, though...
>> 
>
>I've seen and chatted with this guy on several occasions when I was out at 
>MIT for summer classes.  His claimed rating seems about right.  Another 
>thing I noticed (at least when I was there) is that the other players on 
>the Square seemed very unfriendly - as if they regarded all strangers with 
>contempt. 

I've got two games with Murray Turnbull in my ancient "Cambridge days"
scorebooks.  Both are from 1983, I think, and his published ratings then
were just above and just below 2200.  I got crushed both times - with
not inconsiderable help from me... If they were interesting, I'd post
them - but I'm afraid they're not very interesting.

Actually, I have lots of crushes from those days...Ilya when he was a
mere A-player, Rizzitano at 2400+....I think I avoided Curdo, though.
Interesting chess city.


-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer Boom II
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:03:01 GMT
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1gt113INNd0e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck832@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen Leary) writes:
>
>In a previous article, dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach) says:
>
>>In article <1992Dec17.172653.15466@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> pauln@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (paul.h.nelson) writes:
>>
>>   I don't know about UCSF membership, but the traffic in this newsgroup
>>   has increase significantly.  I'd say at least double, wouldn't you?
>>
>>   Paul Nelson
>>   Bell Labs
>>   Naperville, IL
>>
>>Well, perhaps, but you might wish to examine the coincidence that DMC
>>began posting recently.  Might be a correlation in there somewhere.
>>
>>Joev
>>--
>
>Well gawsh, *somebody* had to pick up the slack when Sven left, and
>those 1700-rated wannabe netgods aren't easy to replace! ;-)
>
>Steve

Would you be so kind to explain the logic (if there is any) of your thoughts
that produced this posting?

	Sven
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM'S AT CHESS CHOW/CHESS LI
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:02:20 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <34164@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg) writes:
> DMC asks what basis are the GMs using for saying that Fischer is not
> as good as he was.
> 
> I wonder if DMC read Joel Benjamin's article.  If he did (I am guessing
> he didn't based on rather strong circumstantial evidence) then I don't

What 'strong circumstantial evidence' is that? (Please, before the boy answers
that question, someone e-mail him what I am in...I don't want to bloody him in
public if I can avoid it.)

> think this question is so hard to answer.  Look at the games!  Look
> at the notes to the games!  Compare with Fischer's fluid handling of
> similar positions in his prime!

VERY compelling argument. Reminds me of a midlle ages priest 'proving' the
world was flat AND that the sun rotated around the Earth.

GIVE US SPECIFIC EXAMPLES WHICH ARE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO PLAYS!


> 
> Come now, we're not going to dispute that Fischer is somewhat past his
> prime, are we?

I didn't know I disputed or fell in line with anything. I merely called for the
GMs to state their case, and not just their conclusions.

Anhthing else has been your OWN illusions.

DMC