From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices (was  Re: Sexuality)
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 03:53:36 GMT

Brian Douglass (briand@anasazi.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan01.221248.3328@jcnpc.cmhnet.org> mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mik
e A. McAngus) writes:
: >Brian Douglass (briand@anasazi.com) wrote:
: >: In article <1992Dec31.005642.14893@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.n
asa
: >.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
: >
: >[smoking parallel, that was decimated by the Lensman in a previous post,
: >deleted]
:
: >: Discrimination in the work place based on anything other than job
: >: qualifications, is discrimination.  Why must we pigeon hole everyone in
: >: society into these little minorities?
: >
: >From my understanding, CO2 would disqualify the above discrimination suit.
: >[Can Someone email the text of CO2 to me?  I have not been able to find it i
n
: >my local library]
:
: CO2?  Are you speaking of the latest Civil Rights Act?

No, Colorodo (CO) Amendment Initiative 2, the anti-gay amendment that passed in
last November.

:
: >BTW, those engaging in discrimination already pigeonhole everyone.
: >
: >:                                        That does nothing by fractionalize
: >: society and encourage stereotyping, and the inherit prejudices that go
: >: along with that.  We've all heard the stories "Oh, he's black, he must hav
e
: >: got here on Affirmative Action."  "Oh, look how sexy she dress, she must
: >: have got there on her back."  "Oh, she's the bosses daughter, she got her
: >: job from nepotism."
: >
: >As opposed to the 'good old days':  "He's a nigger, he's not qualified", "Sh
e's
: >too pushy, she must be a lesbo.  Don't promote her.", "God she's sexy, I'll
: >keep her as my personal secretary.", "We can find a spot for my daughter in
: >your department for my daughter now, can't we?"
:
: A change of euphmism doesn't disguise the action.  Saying "He's a nigger,
: he's not qualified" is just as bad "Oh, he's black, he must have got here
: on Affirmative Action."  There is no gradient of one prejudice as worse
: than the next, they are all prejudices.

So, its wrong to say "No faggots in the Colorodo Motel", right?  Yet, by the 
new law (CO2) a homosexual who is discriminated against in Colorodo cannot 
claim discrimination.

:
: >I think we are both saying that merit is the only valid reason for hiring an
d
: >promotion.  Unfortunately, many people have biases against certain people th
at
: >has nothing to do with their qualifications.
: >
:
: But as a society we have the right to decide which moral behaviours are
: acceptable and which are not.  We have decided murder is wrong, rape,
: burglarly, etc.  Once before we thought we legislated away prejudice and
: descrimination.  The solution has not be en toto.

Murder, rape, burglary, etc. are wrong because they involve one person 
infringing on the rights of another person.  Homosexuals, in general, do not 
infringe on the rights of others.

:
: >: Everytime we label another group of people under the law, we implicitly ma
ke
: >: them seperate but equal, and that isn't equal.
: >
: >Until racism, sexism, orientationism, agism, and other anti-group-isms are
: >eliminated from the business world; there must be legal remedies for people
who
: >suffer from these forms of discrimination.
:
: Then what, pray tell, has the Civil Rights Act of 65 (?) and the Johnson
: "Great Society" reaped?  Were not these the goals of such far reaching social
: legislation?  Since you explicitly state prejudices and bigotries still
: exist in our society, they you implicity indict all such legislation as a
: failure.  I submit it has failed because it has served to divide this
: country into little group-isms, instead of uniting this country as one
: people made up of individuals.

One country of individuals, some of whom can't drink from the clean water 
fountain, some of whom can't live in the "nice" neighborhoods (even if they can
afford it), some of whom must pray at public gatherings even if they don't 
belive in a god, some of whom must endure physical violence because they love 
the wrong person, ........
In fact, the Civil Rights Act of 65 has done a lot.  Like any law, there will 
be those who will try to exploit an small loophole.  All this means is the law 
must evolve to keep up with society.

:
: I further submit that any further legislation that seeks to further divide
: our country into component classes will only exacerbate the problem pitting
: varying classes against one another.  United we stand, divided we fall may
: be trite, but it rings as true today as it did in Lincolns time.

Fine.  Come up with legislation that says, if you aren't infringing on the 
rights of another then your actions are legal.  I thought that's what Civil 
Rights legislation was attempting to do.

:
: And if anyone doubts that legislated societal seperation is a disaster in
: the making, just look at old Yugoslavia.  Just replace ethnic minorities
: with special interest groups, and the parallels begin to appear.

I don't want legislated separation.  That's what the Jim Crow laws were about.
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