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From: nish@cv1.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.)
Subject: Re: A tidbit on Amnesty International ...
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:59:43 GMT

In article <BvKqA1.7GB@cgl.ucsf.edu>, ajay@cgl.ucsf.edu (Ajay) writes:
|> Hi Folks,
|>      Remember the Iraq war and the media campaign before that with all
|> those "eye-witnesses" to the way in which the Iraqi soldiers were killing 
|> all the Kuwaiti babies in incubators? Well, it is now well established 
|> that there were no such cases but that all of this was a media campaign
|> by the hired help of the Kuwaiti govt. (they paid over a few million $s
|> for all this to a pulic relations firm).
	There  was infact a story done on this "eye-witness"  thing either
	by 20-20 or Prime Time Live where they basically tore down the 
	story to pieces.As for the incubater story it was kind of funny.
	It turned out that the young female witness who testified 
	about this incident to the Senate commitee was 
	the daughter of the Kuwati Ambassodor in Washington!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: Brahmins, Moslems, Arabs etc. quoted by M.Vishnu
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:34:09 GMT

mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) quotes from:
mv>"Gita As it Was: Rediscovering the Original Bhagavadgita"
mv> by Phulgenda Sinha.
mv>begin quote
mv>------------------------------------------------------------------
mv>The story of how the Brahmans helped the invading Arabs in their
mv>conquest of Sind is a treacherous history.
mv>[..]
mv>But every attack of the Arabs was thwarted, 
mv>their forces destroyed, and the leader killed.  Their condition changed 
mv>abruptly, however, when they began receiving support from the Brahmans.
mv>The Brahmans had always occupied the high administrative before and after 
mv>Chac.
mv>[..]
mv>  They began helping the Arabs by acting as their informers; by 
mv>preaching a philosophy of surrender; by predicting victory of Islam and
mv>defeat of the local ruler; and by working as advance-party of the 
mv>invading Arabs.  Let me give an example of how a brahman's support to the
mv>Arabs at Debal (a small principality in Sind) provided them with their
mv>victory in Sind.
mv>[..]
mv>Because of these predictions by Brahmins, many chief and heads of various
mv>principalities surrendered to the Arabs, one after another, without a 
mv>fight.  The few who resisted found their military secrets turned over
mv>to the Arabs by Brahmin informers.  At one place, about one thousand 
mv>Brahmans appeared before Muhammed Kasim and expressed their respect
mv>and support to him in exchange for due patronage.  Kasim obliged them
mv>by appointing them to their previously held posts and also allowed them
mv>a small share in the taxes they collected from the people[7].
mv>------------------------------------------------------------------------
mv>(end quote)

Without questioning the authenticity of the source of all this history
by the original author of the book, the following questions arise in my mind.

(i) Brahmins seemed to have been the sole cause of the fall of the
Hindu religion. But who then kept it up or revived it?

(ii) They seemed to have sided the Arabs to get a share of taxes from the
moslem rulers. That would make them a very rich community today.
Where did they squander the money? My hypothesis is that, after becoming
rich, they quit brahmanism and joined the caste of rich businessmen, or
became moslem themselves. So what relation do they have to today's Brahmins,
who were not smart enough to become rich, but stupid enough to take
all the blame?

KS.
From: kla!anil@sun.com (Anil Somani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: F1 medical insurance info. wanted
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:31:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun!kla.1992Oct6.203159.18902
Organization: KLA Instruments Corp
Originator: anil@cocos


I am looking for a good and reasonably priced student (F1)
medical insurance. Can someone email me the info. If this 
is covered in a FAQ, let me know.

Thanks in advance.
-anil
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 San Jose, CA 95161-9055   Pager:408/865-7644 Fax:408/434-4284
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME BABY JOKES
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:27:42 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

>sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>:
>	Sick post again...
>	-Dikkala

hey deepak shall we start the sick chain again?

or shall we let this sick guy go?


suresh

ps to landu: hey whom did you call sometime back. looks like you
             wanted a lot of privacy.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kekare@mecad.uta.edu (Sagar A. Kekare)
Subject: Re: baby jokes
Reply-To: kekare@mecad.uta.edu (Sagar A. Kekare)
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:04:24 GMT


Hey Bozo,

Did all those crushed babies post humously donate their fragmented brain to  
you? I shall recommend you to catch the first grey hound to bollywood. Ramsay  
bandhoos might give you a lead role in their next generation horror movie.

Don't use the net for dumping your disgusting brain childs.
From: suren@ee.WPI.EDU (Surender Mohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: OCTOBER 2
Date: 2 Oct 1992 21:41:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct2.002228.28259@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>
>OCTOBER 2 - A DAY NOT TO FORGET
>-------------------------------
>
>
>Birthday of the "Father of India" Mohandas Karamchand GANDHI
^^^^^^^^^^^
You forgot It is Lal Bahadur Shastri's B'day too.
>
>Death anniversary of "Karmaveerar, Perum thalaivar (Great Leader)"
>N.KAMARAJ
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>V R Kumar
> 
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------------
>   V.R.KUMAR, Knowledge-Based Systems Program
>   CSIRO Division of Information Technology                         
>   6 Giffnock Avenue, North Ryde, NSW 2113, Australia


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32937 soc.history:8776
From: devkumar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Devakumar Sreevijayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.history
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Keywords: British Educational Policy in India
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:35:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>In article <JMC.92Sep28214354@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU  
>(John McCarthy) writes:
>> 
>> Motivations were mixed.  Individual desire to make money,
>> ego and some benevolence.  Even when there was benevolence,
>> part ot its motivation was a sense of superiority.  However,
>> the innovations were introduced and were useful, e.g. secular
>> universities, railroads and a British style judicial system -
>> even cricket.
>> 
>> John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
> 
                 The British educational policy in India was far from being
motivated by any benevolent tendencies;  I quote below an excerpt from the
concluding segments of "Report on Canara, Malabar, and Ceded Districts", by
William Thackeray, an Englishman who served the interests of the British
Empire in India as translator, judge and civil servant. The report was 
published in 1807.

         "It is very proper that in England, a good share of the produce
of the earth should be appropriated to support certain families in affluence,
to produce senators, sages and heroes for the service and defense of the state;
or in other words, that a great part of the rent should go to opulent nobility 
and gentry, who are to serve their country in Parliament, in the army, in the
navy, in the departments of science and liberal professions. The leisure,
independence and high ideals which the enjoyment of this rent affords has
enabled them to raise Britain to pinnacles of glory. Long may they enjoy it.
But in India that haughty spirit, independence and deep thought which the     
possession of great wealth sometimes gives ought to be suppressed. They are
directly averse to our power and interest. The nature of things, the past 
experience of all governments, renders it unnecessary to enlarge on this
subject. We do not want generals, statesmen and legislators; we want
industrious husbandmen. If we wanted restless and ambitious spirits there
are enough of them in Malabar to supply the whole peninsula." 

     It is a measure of the success of this insidious policy that British
rule in India lasted another 140 years. The 'possession of great wealth' was
achieved through the instruments of colonialism, something that required,
among other things, the systematic destruction of particular economies and the
continuation of state policy by other means. 
     I regret I do not have the time to participate in this discussion further.
If Prof. McCarthy's intention was to provoke, he has certainly succeeded, and
since he expressed an intent also to learn, I hope this has been a contribution.  

Dev
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Back from India
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:43:45 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) said:
:- chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
:- >
:- >You senseless IDIOT. Your mother is a Bi***. If your father is
:- >a GUN(as you claim), put that GUN into your a** till it comes
:- >out of your mouth. This fellow's behaviour is ridiculus. Just
:- >because he has not got some useless info from me, he is frustrated.
:- >
:- >---Nimmala Sreehari
:- 
:- I suggest you guys actually start expanding the starred words. The
:- whole post anyway stinks so why the hypocrisy?
:- 
:- Dinkar.
:- 

	yes, yes... as i have been requesting, please do so, since we
	might also partake of and participate in this very interesting 
	discussion. i must admit i am very lacking of knowledge in
	sanskrit, but i hope that will not be held against me.

	thank you and may peace be with you,

	- ravi


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From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir struggle.
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:36:01 GMT

mallya@octel.com (Satyanarayana Mallya) writes:

>In article <1992Sep17.122144.15612@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:

>>kumar@ra.csc.ti.com (Sundeep Kumar) writes:
>>
>>>I just have one observation. It seems that JKLF want seperatism for
>>>what they call "Kashmiriat". Assuming that Kashmir is made seperate,
>>>what will happen to the Kashmiri Hindu's ? Will they be asked to go into
>>>India ? Also, Will Independent Kashmir be an Islamic State ?
>>
>>All Kashmiris must go back to Kashmir.
>>
>>Will Kashmir be an Islamic or Secular? This question is to be decided 
>>by Kashmiris and not India or Pakistan.


>	Now, now do I c a contradiction. Is it possible that in the same
>token I can put forth a statement "should kashmir be a hindu state or secular"
>or "Should kashmir remain a part of India? This question is to be decided by
>Indians and not pakistanis(?)".  If that was the case, then we would have seen 
>a lot of you guys jumping into the fray with a lot of explanatory statements. 
>If you find it hard to imagine, then let me state that islamic majority
>states do not give guarantees to its minorities the way India does.

Is India a Hindu state(on paper)?  No!!

Nepal is a Hindu State. In 1988-89 three Hindus were converted to Christanity.
What they got as a gift from the Hindu State? The death sentence!!!!!!!!!

Pakistan, Iran , Saudi are Islamic Countries But Turky and Egypt are 
Secular Countries. Egypt and Turky have given full guarantees to their 
minorities. 


Bye
Adil

  In India,
>most minorities have a right to voice their concerns in independent courts (not
>following hindu laws(is there any such thing?)). Can humanity expect such a
>thing of islamic states? When they do not give that status to their women, we
>can hardly expect them to give that status  to the minorities. Kashmir has a 
>sizable minority and  I think it is in india's interest not to let jklf or
>any splintering group have their way.

>>Bye

>Satya Mallya

>Disclaimer: The above opinions are not that of my employer's.
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:52:49 -0400 
From: Krishnan P Viswanath <kv22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: ROJA - A tamil movie on the kashmir issue.

---------- Forwarded message begins here -------


Recently I saw the tamil movie ROJA by manirathnam (Nayagan fame).
The theme of the movie is based on the recent standoff in the
kidnapping of an ONGC official by the kashmir ultras. The movie is 
about a tamil software engineer being kidnapped by kashmir ultras 
when he goes to kashmir for a 'defence related work' with his wife 
"Roja". The kashmir ultras demand that their leader in prison should 
be released in exchange. Quite an interesting theme for a tamil movie! 

This movie was released on Independense Day. The hero of the movie is 
shown to be extremely patriotic. There is a scene in the movie where 
>The hero of the movie is the guy who comes as the collector in
>"Dalapathi" and the heroine is madhubala ("azhagan", "vanamE ellai").

His name is Aravind.

>I heard from the video shops in Chicago that there is no good video
>print of this movie. If you find one please let me know.

There is a really good print here in Pitt doing the rounds.  The movie,
as you say, is quite impressive.  Dialogues are by a well-known Tamil
writer, Sujatha.

>-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.


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From: g9uaxt@fnma.COM (Alagesan Thiagarajan)
Subject: Travel
Reply-To: g9uaxt@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:36:21 GMT


    Urgently need info on Travel Agents in Washington ( preferably ) or New York

    For purchase of round trip ticket ( Washington/NewYork <-> Madras ) 6 month return
    open.

    Thanks
    Thiagu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Murali Damodaran)
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:24:26 GMT

That's great news from the IITs.
This should be a fitting reply to all those SCI sour grapes
who have been indulging in IIT bashing!

 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: smadhur@charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Nivas Madhur)
Subject: Nedd address of HCL R&D Software in India
Keywords: Address, HCL R&D SW, Madras
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:31:35 GMT

I am looking for the address of HCL R&D software in Madras.
I don't remember the street name but it is (atleast it was,
3.5 years ago when I was there) opposite to Shastri Bhavan.
It would be very helpful if I could get the phone no. too.

I appreciate any help in this regard.

Thanks in advance,

nivas
......................................................................
Nivas Madhur smadhur@urbana.mcd.mot.com Motorola Computer Group
1101 E. University Av Urbana IL 61801 Ma bell (217) 384 8588
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: International Channel -- Hindi Movies.
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:41:31 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

x92nath@gw.wmich.edu writes:

>Hi dears,

>	This is for the information of those who donot know about international

>Channel. It telecasts Hindi movies on Monday and wednesday at 2.30 pm (EASTERN)

>It also telecasts India vision on saturday at 2.00 pm., and then about South

>Asia music programm plus some other like Pakistani drama and all that.....


>It is on channel # 24 here at Western, may be at different channel somewhere
>else.

>Have fun

>Shambhu
Hi Shambhu: Could you please provide some additional details like
who offers this channel? Is it a regular cable channel? How to get
your local cable system to subscribe etc.? Thanks. - ganesh
.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nrai@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (neeraj.rai)
Subject: Re: Back from India
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:38:39 GMT

In article <1068@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>FHERTZBERG@finabo.abo.fi (Fredrik Hertzberg Lit) writes:
>: 
>:   Namaste!
>: 
>: this, we flew to Delhi from Madras (it took only about 3 hours). In Delhi,
>: people appeared to be much more unfriendly than in the south.
>
>Generally speaking, your above observation is more than 100%
>correct. This may probably be because of sheer arrogance nature of people.
>You may have observed or not, but there is no meaning for 
>"Advance Reservations" for rails in nothern part of India. People
>told me that even you made an advanced resrvation(say Ist class) on
>a train, it would be hard for you to get little place to sit.
>People are seemingly so arrogant that they just walk in and occupy
>the seats/berths. Some of southrners are generally scared to travel
>to north India. Though , being an Indian, I feel sorry for writing
>these things about fellow Indians, I need accept the facts.
>.

I do not agree. I have travelled extensively in north in IInd and Ist class.
In IInd class, occassionally people who do not have a reservation will
be there in the same compartment and may sit on the bearth on which a person
with reservation is sleeping. But in Ist class, there never was any problem.

I have travelled from Delhi to Bombay, Calcutta, Varanasi, Agra, Hardwar etc.


Please don't generalize.


Regards,

Neeraj Rai
From: pmclaugh@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:30:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian

In article <81021@ut-emx.uucp>, devkumar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Devakumar Sreevijayan) writes:
>>In article <JMC.92Sep28214354@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU  
>>(John McCarthy) writes:
>>> 
>> 
>                  The British educational policy in India was far from being
> motivated by any benevolent tendencies;  I quote below an excerpt from the
> concluding segments of "Report on Canara, Malabar, and Ceded Districts", by
> William Thackeray, an Englishman who served the interests of the British
> Empire in India as translator, judge and civil servant. The report was 
> published in 1807.
> 
>      It is a measure of the success of this insidious policy that British
> rule in India lasted another 140 years. The 'possession of great wealth' was
> achieved through the instruments of colonialism, something that required,
> among other things, the systematic destruction of particular economies and the
> continuation of state policy by other means. 

It is true that British rule was successful largely in part to this educa-
tional policy. However, some credit for India;s survival must be accorded to
this policy. This was part of Britain's universal imperialist design, to
take the leaders of every nation they conquered and educate them in the 
British mold, so that the following results were achieved:
a. The leaders (in India, the kshatriya princes and sepys) would follow and 
respect British power;
b. The native people would be docile and follow their traditional leaders
without questioning their rule any more than they ever had.

This worked out to the benefit of not only the British, but, after
independence, to India and the rest of the Commonwealth nations. India
won independence with relatively little bloodshed, established a working
democracy, and today is poised  to dominate events in Asia. The same may be
said of other former British nations where this educational/leadership
method was practiced (Nigeria, Ghana, and others). To contrast this,
look at the Belgian Congo, cynically exploited with no thought to 
education or local leadership, or the Portuguese colonies of Angola 
and Mozambique. All three were embroiled for -years- in violent civil
war and revolution because both Belgium and Portugal destroyed native
authority and made no attempt to replace it with anything that could
offer leadership after independence (read up on Belgium in particular
for a disaster story!)

Any flames or lynches may be directed at:
Chris Dunlea 
crdunlea@rodan.syr.edu

The above is not necessarily the opinion of the account holder, my fiance.
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SURESH DOKI IN A BLENDER
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:08:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


>    apparently no BLENDER or MICROWAVE in
>   the DOKI household when suresh was a brat.
				   ^^^

does it mean that i am no longer a brat? thanx



suresh
From: kulvi@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Kulvinder Bains)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Need list of names
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:36:48 GMT
Reply-To: kulvi@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Kulvinder Bains)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA


My friend is going to have a baby soon and she would like to
get a list of baby names (Hindi & Punjabi Names and the meaning
of the name if possible not necessary).  Please email back
to kulvi@pyramid.com or post on this newsgroup.  Thanks

Kulvinder
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