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From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,misc.consumers,misc.legal,alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Am I being sleazed by this insurance company?
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:10:24 GMT
Distribution: usa

coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:

>I applied for auto insurance yesterday and I'm trying to decide whether I've
>been sleazed.  I share an apartment with two women not otherwise related to me
>(i.e., they're basically strangers).  The insurance company informed me that
>if I didn't put them on my policy, they would exclude all coverage for them as
>drivers on the vehicle.  I'm not thrilled with this, but I agreed to do this
>since I have no intention of letting either of the women drive the vehicle.

My sister insured with a company like that and listed my DL number on the
policy.  When I got two tickets (within the space of 3 months and did not
go to traffic school on either) IN MY CAR, they cancelled her insurance.
The reason was that I was a "risky potential driver".
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark)
Subject: Re: weaving ticket
Organization: self
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:16:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.173722.6371@Synopsys.Com> pankaj@synopsys.com (Pankaj Mayor) writes:
>>   Keep in mind, however, that if you lose, your insurance company is
>>   notified, and in recent times they typically charge dearly for any
>>   tickets or accidents.  If you pay the fine, and pay additional to go
>>   to traffic school then they don't tell your insurance company.
>>   (Limited of course to twice in 18 months).  Sure it's duress to
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Isn't it ONCE in 18 months???
>
>>   extort money from you, but unless you're prepared to appeal it to
>>   (probably) the supreme court, that's the way it is.

    I think it's really once, and then you can go again after 18 months.
    I'm not sure about the next interval.


-- 
Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own.
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Road conditions
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:20:15 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

I don't know what possesses some people to think they can drive 65+ in the
snow.  They usually blow by me doing 55+ on I-15, giving me the finger as
they cruise by (I'm doing a more sane 35 or 40 - I'm scared of this black
ice stuff), then I see them a couple of miles down the road where they've
run off the road in the ditch or hit someone else because of their idiocy.
I just wave.  :)

In Utah (winter quarters for Ed 'n the Gang of Four) they really stick it to
idiots who have run off the road - tow truck drivers usually charge 'em
$75+ for a pull out of the snow.  Serves 'em right.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                    erc@apple.com                   801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Re: weaving ticket
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:12:37 PST

aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark) writes:

>In article <1993Jan19.173722.6371@Synopsys.Com> pankaj@synopsys.com (Pankaj Mayor) writes:
>>>   Keep in mind, however, that if you lose, your insurance company is
>>>   notified, and in recent times they typically charge dearly for any
>>>   tickets or accidents.  If you pay the fine, and pay additional to go
>>>   to traffic school then they don't tell your insurance company.
>>>   (Limited of course to twice in 18 months).  Sure it's duress to
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Isn't it ONCE in 18 months???
>>
>>>   extort money from you, but unless you're prepared to appeal it to
>>>   (probably) the supreme court, that's the way it is.

>    I think it's really once, and then you can go again after 18 months.
>    I'm not sure about the next interval.

This is probably in the FAQL, at the Traffic School I went to (in 
Westwood Village), we had in attendance a young man that had been
to Traffic Schools all over the state.  Based on our combined 
experiences, it was determined that the intervals between traffic
school visits is determined by the city and or county that has 
jurisdiction over the location where you were cited.  The intervals
discussed ranged from never (you can't go at all!) to 12 months.

Of course, your experiences may vary.
From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Paperwork on car purchase
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:50:27 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: positive

I'm about to buy a car from a private individual who still has a
loan on it.   This is the first time I'll have done this in California.
I'll be getting a loan too.

What is the recommended protocol to ensure that everyone gets the
right money and paperwork, and that when I take the car over, the only
lien on it is the one for my loan, and the DMV believe I am the new owner?

e-mail or postings welcome.  I will be nice & summarize.

    Peter

-- 

The four Prefix brothers: Yocto, Zepto, Atto, and Femto 
From: brians@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Brian Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:42:01 GMT
Subject: Re: traffic school level 2 question
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: ca.driving

  The straight poop about traffic school level 2 is that it is
no longer a useful alternative to pursue, unless you must protect your
driving privledge.  The reason for this is that the DMV which
maintians your driving record, will list your ticket in your driving
record.   The DMV recently changed their policy (recently being 1 to 2
years ago) regarding traffic school.  Since each county had different
rules reguarding eligibility to attend traffic school, they (the DMV) 
asserted their power by changing the effects of traffic school.  I
believe that they did this because some cities and counties had
extremely liberal rules regarding traffic school eligibility.  For
example I heard that in some parts of LA county (Beverly Hills) you
could attend traffic school two times per year.  In Orange County you
could attend traffic school only once every two years.  Up here in
Santa Clara country you could attend level one once every two years
and also attend level two once every two years.  Other counties such
as Sacramento do not even offer traffic school as an option, so all
tickets must be paid or plead.  (Can someone confirm that this is
still true about Sacramento Co.?)

   The new DMV policy is to remove at most one traffic citation from
your driving record every 18 months.  They still allow the local
cities and counties to set different rules for traffic school
eligibility.  So, if you attend a level two traffic school within 18
months of a level 1 school you DMV driving record will list the second
citation on it.  However the DMV will honor the traffic school by not
counting the ciation as a "point" on your record.  However your
insurance company which bases it's rates on the number of citations will
probably still count it against you.  The only advantage of the level
two traffic school would be if you had 4, 6 or 8 "points" on your
driving record already and thus you driving privledge was under threat
of suspension.  In this case the level two school would be useful as
it would not add an addional "point" to your record.

  Also if you talk to your insurance agent he/she may agree to waive
the citation that you went to level two traffic school.  I got my
agent to do this, but it didn't lower my rates that much, since I had
more than three citations on my record (36 months).  The way auto
insurance words these days (after prop 103) is that the first three
citations on your driving record are very expensive, as your insurance
jumps up several hundred dollars for each one.  After three citations
the increase is much smaller, at least that is what I found out for my
insurance company, which is Mercury Casualty.
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: dhepner@cup.hp.com (Dan Hepner)
Subject: Re: How much to bring out-of-state vehicle into CA?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:21:54 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.2]


From: coleman@twinsun.com (Mike Coleman)

>- Is the CA use tax in addition to the other state's sales tax?  States do not
>always fail to do stupid things like this.  Could be expensive.

No, it's reduced by the amount of sales tax paid to the other state.
The stated purpose is to reduce any advantage one might have in
buying a car in some other state "for use in California".

>- In addition to the $300 smog penalty, you will have to get your car smogged
>every two years (starting on entry).  Assuming it's not a CA emissions car, it
>could very well be impossible to bring up to spec, which would mean that you
>would have to pay the maximum fix fee every two years.

You don't have to bring a 49 state car up to Ca. standards.  The stated
purpose of this law is to fund checking up to see if this was once
a California car which was taken out of state and is now being
brought back in as a 49 state car not in compliance with Ca's standards.

What you really do have to watch out for is removed smog control
parts which were perhaps legal, or quasi-legal to remove some places 
so long as the emissions met local standards.  More than one
out of state vehicle has met the recommendation "take it to
Nevada and sell it" when the cost of replacing such parts exceeded
the value of the car.

Dan Hepner
From: rfisher@uswnvg.com (Robert Fisher)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Boeing Engineers top 10 problem calls
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:28:47 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Just a compiled list of the top ten problem calls not being adequately 
handled since Boeing Engineers have gone on strike.

1) Does it come with guns?
2) How much extra would velour seats cost?
3) When is the next boat show?
4) I found 3 Boeing employees asleep in my new 777, will it affect the
   flight capabilities.
5) Why arent I credit approved for a 747, I have a sears card!
6) How much? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
7) How many of you does it take to screw in a light bulb?
8) Are all of the employees in #7 paid over $20/hr.......WHY!
9) Hello, Godfathers pizza?
10) Free lunch for all striking engineers at your local Jack in the Box.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: das@emmapeel.ca.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Where to change US to Canadian currency
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:51:28 GMT

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my inquiry on the best place to
exchange US for Canadian money.  The unanimous response was to wait until
I get to Canada, then use my ATM card there, as the exchange rate this way
is lower than buying the money here.

Thanks again,
------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das

"Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching videos?!"
				- Nina in 'Truly, Madly, Deeply'
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Windshield Repair
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:30:29 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <1993Jan27.204553.19911@voodoo.ca.boeing.com> larrym@shiva.ca.boeing.com writes:
>  If in windshield repair you're talking about minor cracks, most insurance
>  companies waive your deductible. If you're talking windshield replacement
>  a lot of windshield companies offer incentives, up to $100 to use their 
>  company. $100 is a common deductible for most windshield replacements.

My insurance agant refused to allow me to go to such a company for
windshield replacement because the $100.00 credit they give you
is added on top of the price -- a cheap sales tactic.

This is a common scam and he says that it is to rip off insurance
companies.  




     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: green@fylz.wa.com (Washington Green)
Subject: Cuba in Context -- Part 2
Organization: Washington Green -- State Newsletter of the Greens
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:37:16 GMT

Friday, February 5, 7-9pm

Canadian, U.S., & Mexican Relations with Cuba

Why is the U.S. tihgtening its 30 year old economic embargo
against Cuba while its neighbors to the south and north strengthen
their ties with Cuba?

Participate in this provicative discussion at Antioch University
Seattle, 2607 - 2nd Ave, Room 212 (in Seattle's Belltown area)
with panelists:
  Gustavo Verduzco, Professor, El Colegio de Mexico, Mexico City
  Kay Hubbard, Director, UW Office of International Programs and Exchanges
  Art Goddard, Ph.D., Political & Economics Relations Officer,
      Canadian Consulate

For information:
  Chris Martin, 441-5352 ext 5608
  Martha Baskin, 628-9635

A Friends with Cuba Network Project
-- 
Washington GREEN -- the newsletter of the Washington State Greens
8315 Lake City Way #207, Seattle, WA 98115  -- (206)526-2919 x28
From: gnat@stein.u.washington.edu (L Boyd)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: E'coli -- bible thumpers & assorted idiots
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:38:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:

>In article <C18Dt7.8F4@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:

>:I listen to those bible thumpers from time 
>:to time and none of them have said AIDS is God's revenge.  

>That just means you haven't or cannot hear it.  It has been 
>said.  I have heard it said *exactly* in that manner, on 
>national television by more than one 'thumper'.

I heard those very words in 1986 from the mouth of the "honorable"
(and god knows *moral*) Representative Dannemeyer of California.

To which the man from the ACLU replied: "Then by your definition,
lesbians are god's chosen race becuase they're [remember -- this
was 1986!] not getting AIDS." 

[It should be noted that in 1993, *EVERYONE* is at risk of infection!]

Dannemeyer said nothing for the remaining two hours.

(and I laughed for days!)

Lauren Boyd
From: del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:26:03 GMT
Organization: I/Ovations

In <1993Jan22.205122.14187@ssc.com> fyl@ssc.com (Phil Hughes) writes:

>In a book by Ernest Callenbach about making living choices (I forget the
>name of the book) he points out that a realistic way to think about a car
>is that you must add the time you work to support your car when you figure
>how "fast" in gets you around.  His calculation showed that once the costs
>of an average car (purchase, maintenance, insurance, parking, etc) was
>paid for in the amount of time you needed to work to get the necessary
>money that cars only transported you at about 6 miles per hour.

This calculation is, of course, only valid if the only reason you have
a car is for commuting to and from work.  Assuming you would have a car
regardless of it's use to go to/from work, the calculation cannot
include purchase price.  Only mileage costs including parking and that
portion of insurance and maintanence that is incrementally attributable
to it's use for commuting may be included in the calculation.

-- 
del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
                          Who is John Galt?
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Subject: Re: E'coli -- "God's Revenge"?
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:07:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.180407.9941@fylz.wa.com> fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes) writes:
>I have heard so many times that AIDS is God's revenge for an unnatural
>lifestyle.  Are these same people who said that saying that the
>current e'coli epedemic in Seattle is God's revenge for eating
>animals?
>-- 
>Phil Hughes - FYL - 8315 Lk City Wy NE - Suite 207 - Seattle, WA 98115 
>Phone: 206-526-2919 x74      Fax: 526-0803
>E-mail: fyl@fylz.com or nwnexus!fylz!fyl 

   Just to add my 2 cents, I listen to those bible thumpers from time 
to time and none of them have said AIDS is God's revenge.  Rather, AIDS
is a consequence of a life style not approved of by God.  Like
your mother telling you not to put your hand on a hot stove.  So,
When you burn your hand you can not say that is your mom's revenge.
However, this is immaterial if you don't believe in God.


-- 
A town that had their Nativity scene thwarted by the ACLU placed a banner
saying "The ACLU is jealous of our Nativity scene for the fact that they
don't have 3 wisemen and a virgin in their organization".
Xref: sparky seattle.general:4519 pnw.general:3327 misc.invest:16987
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general,misc.invest
Subject: Looking for a discount broker for Canadian stocks
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:40:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

  I'm looking for a reliable discount broker with low rates for
  buying and selling Canadian stocks on the Vancouver and Toronto
  exchanges -- preferably, but not necessarily, with a branch office
  in the Seattle area.

  My broker (Freeman-Wellwood) charges an extra 10 cents a share over
  their normal commission on each buy and sell.  That is a rip-off
  considering the stock I am buying (Advanced Gravis, AED on the 
  Canadian exchanges) is only about $2.15 (American) and I will end
  up paying about 10% commission on the buy and sell.

  I know there are some small brokers with questionable reliability
  associated with the Vancouver penny-stock market, so I would prefer
  to deal with a large, well-known, reputable firm.
  ==

  Bob (bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu)          Seattle, Washington

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: sdy@bcstec.boeing.com (Ugly Bag of Mostly Water)
Subject: Re: KJR change
Organization: Ringworld
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:11:00 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:29:27 GMT, chips@eskimo.com (:crp:) said:

   :crp:> What happened to the 'Groz' on KJR, and who is the guy in the 10-12
   :crp:> spot now? Is Gastineau staying at 3-7 ?
well I don't listen to KJR daily, but today at 11am it seemed to be Kevin
Callabro (sp) -- the voice of the sonics -- I read that Groz was going to KIRO
to take over most of Cody's work. Don't know about the 3-7 shift.

steve.


-- 
Steven D. Yee is sdy@bcstec.boeing.com    ==> The Boeing Co. has no opinions =P
"I have NO friends"                "Don't say that, you have plenty of friends"
"Ok, I HAVE friends, it's just that my enemies are more consistant"
From: jrt@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jerrold Thompson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: For Sale: Appliances, Desk, Comp., Misc.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:10:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: for sale

Newsgroups: seattle.general
Distribution: pnw.general seattle.general uwash.general
Subject: FOR SALE: APPLIANCES, DESK, COMP., TYPEWRITER
Keywords: for sale

I am moving and have the following items for sale:

Refridgerator: White, good sized freeezer above 'fridge.......$125

Stove:  White, needs 2 burner elements replaced...............$50

Washer and dryer: ............................................$175

Corona electric typewriter:....................................$50

Trash Compactor..............................................$65 obo

White Ceramic Stove top: Very good condition.................  $120

Compaq transportable and unregistered Word Perfect.............$275
              (still have original registration, so it can
               be sent in and upgraded to current version)

Mahogany desk:  Newly refinished, full 3'x 6'..................$250

Cabinets:  Set of upper cabinets, Oak paneled doors,
           used, good quality cabinets.........................$180

           The frames on these cabinets are solid oak, as are 
           the doors.  One nice thing about using used cabinets
           is that you will not get the formaldehyde fumes that
           new cabinets emit.  Great deal, if you can use them.

As I mentioned, I am in the process of moving, so all items are on a 
first come, first served basis.  Transportation of larger items can
probably be arranged.

My new phone is not yet installed, so if you are interested, please
leave your phone number where I can contact you.


                    Thank you.
 

                              Jerry Thompson
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Transit system in Seattle (Re: Following distance Was (Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!))
Organization: FYL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:02:45 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Walter Bright (bright@nazgul.UUCP) wrote:
: josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
: / I guess I'll stick a toe into these waters... I LIKE the transit
: / system in Seattle. Even before I got my absurdly cheap u-pass, I
: / bought monthly passes, and rode the bus EVERYWHERE. I have a car,
: / but I very seldom use it.
: 
: Absurdly cheap because it is tax-subsidized (heavilly). I recall reading
: somewhere that if riders paid what it actually cost, it would be around
: $6 for a ticket.

That's pretty close.  In order to get federal funds for mass transit
you have to get at least 25% (might be 20, I am not sure) of the costs
from rider fares.  I think this is unfortunate because cheaper fairs
would mean more riders which would mean more routes and busses more
often which would mean more riders ...

It's not like we don't subsidize private cars as well.  Lost revenues
from more surface roads rather than productive use (such as homes,
businesses or even farms) is a huge subsidy.

: / I am, however, generally in favor
: / of anything that will get people to drive less,
: 
: Raise gasoline taxes. It worked before (people used to drive a lot more
: before the Arab oil embargo, and people drive much smaller cars now).

Good (but politically unpopular) suggestion.  Once we force people to
buy cars (by inconvenient location of businesses, poor mass transit,
etc) we then encourage them to drive more because of a number of fixed
costs such as insurance, auto registration, not being able to leave
you car parked in one place on the street for over 24 hours, etc.
A "whole system" approach is needed where real costs are evaluated and
passed on to the consumer.  If that happened I expect lots of people
would find mass transit to be "more convenient" and businesses would
consider access to mass transit a plus instead of a minus.  Why, new
shopping facilities might even get designed to be easy access by
transit instead of surrounded by the world's largest parking lots.
-- 
Phil Hughes - FYL - 8315 Lk City Wy NE - Suite 207 - Seattle, WA 98115 
Phone: 206-526-2919 x74      Fax: 526-0803
E-mail: fyl@fylz.com or nwnexus!fylz!fyl
From: chuan@carson.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: carperator (sp?) service shop
Date: 27 Jan 1993 06:37:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

Hi,

I am looking for a service shop for my car carperator (sp?).  I don't
know any other automotive shop besides the Sears and they don't do
carperators :-(

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.