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From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:41:37 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <Bv9LFI.2uv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>
>To me, BDP, PE and Eric B & Rakin were all old school because of the props 
>Grand Puba gave them on the Brand Nubian track "Dedication". "What can I say?
>I wouldn't be here today, if the old school didn't pave the way..."
>
>-- 
>- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -

Listen to that track, 'Dedication,' again.  Puba gives shout-outs to PE, BDP,
Eric B. & Rakim, Heavy D, etc., *THEN* he gives thanks to the old school, which
in the way he said it, does not include any of the groups he mentioned
beforehand.  He is saying he wouldn't be here today if the old schoolers like
Bambatta, Flash, Kurtis Blow, etc. didn't pave the way for all the hip hoppers
top get the opportunity to do what they do today.  If Puba considered the BDP's
and PE's to be old school, he himself would be old school too.  He's been
around for a while; remember his first group( at least known to me),
The Masters Of Ceremony?

                                                      T-Dub
                                                      SHYGUY productions
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Setting the record straight
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:54:46 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Let me make three things clear.

1.  That group of three posts including the Dr. Who thing is all a big fuckup
by 'Sister J' OK?  That shit is old!  You know it, I know it.  Get off my ass.
2.  That "I'm MC Flash the Greatest" shit isn't me!  OK?  I've never seen it, I
don't know why it's there, and it has SHIT to do with me.
3.  C.O.R.E. is not dead.  And I don't have to take it over, I started the
shit.

Now that I've made myself clear, I hope I can stop getting mail about this
shit.  It's gettin real tiresome real quick.

It has also been advised to me that if I post lyrics, post the whole song and
not just part of it.  Point taken, from now on I'll post it all and not just
part.

Also there will be no more C.O.R.E. updates.  Maybe once a month there will be
a C.O.R.E. ad, but no more updates, beccause I've been catchin lotsa shit about
them and I realized they're a waste (of my time and yours).

On to more important things... Current faves are 'I Gotta Get Mine Yo', 'House
of Pain', and 'Greatest Misses'.  And for all y'all who don't know about IAM,
ya gots to check these boys out.  They come off harder in French than some
groups do in English.  Until later, I'm out like Ross Perot's earmuff size.
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Da Lench Mob
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:48:24 GMT
 <Bv3G37.9sF@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <Bv3G37.9sF@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:

> It's definately the most racist rap album ever ("whitey" "cracker"
> "devil" etc) and I'm sure there'll be some controversy.  But the racial
> slurs come out as a statement of anger towards the whites who are "guilty
> as charged" (as Cube would say).

Are you implying that racism is good?
A misconception that a lot of people have is that it's racism to be
white and pro-white, but OK to be black and pro-black.

There are racists in both directions.
Get it thru your skull; there are still respectable caucasions in the
rap industry, (ie. Everlast, Beastie Boys)
Please refrain from such racist comments, as there are white people on
this newsgroup, believe it or not.
                                                I'm Audi like Racism...
                                                         LX
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly)
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:48:49 GMT

     Excellent question. Who is the other MC on "Advance"?


                                          -Roop
From: lutzeb@cs.tu-berlin.de (Dirk Lutzebaeck)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: LOW bass CDs
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:49:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Technical University Berlin, Germany


try the last CD from *Tone Loc* (i forget the titel). The first song
just samshes any bass equipment. I use it to test my 12" subwoofers in
my car 8-). The CD is absolutley groovin'...

--
Dirk Lutzebaeck       | Email: lutzeb@cs.tu-berlin.de |  (**( )
TU Berlin, Sekr. 6-10 | Tel:   +49-30-314-25586       | (**( . ) I don't think,
Franklinstr. 28-29    | FAX:   +49-30-314-73622       | (*.*)  )    so I am.
D-1000 Berlin 12      | Room:  FR6079                 |  (*)  )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: CMW & Bushwick Bill
From: kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 19:43:50 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Oct2.171157.7775@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <fedde.717887572@Moskva>, fedde@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:
>>Got myself Compton's Most Wanted's last thing and Bushwick Bills last
>>shit too the other day! They are both KICKIN'! Anyone interested in some
>>info about them? I could write about them if someone is interested :)
>>
>>Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
>
>I think CMW is OK, but I am not the biggest Geto Boy fan, though Scarface is
>cool.  But, yeah, kick some info on both of them.  I just saw the new CMW 12",
>'Brothers Under The Hood,' I am considering getting and I am interested in the
>consumers opinion of Busjwick Bill, since The Source dissed it.
>
>                                             T-Dub
>                                             SHYGUY productions
>
>Shante out on Tuesday, October 6th?!?

I just picked up CMW's latest and it's extremely tight.  I think it's their
best album to date.  I would highly recommend the album if you like gangsta
rap and he has a good dis of Tim Dog on it.  The Geto Boy's though are
another story altogether.  I strongly don't support the kind of lyrics they
rap.  I don't want them to be banned or nothin', but I'd like them to be an
example that wack lyrics don't sell.  Unfortunately I don't see this
happening any time soon.

                                         -----------> KSG
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: kadric@faw.uni-ulm.de (L. Kadric)
Subject: New release of M.C. ADE
Organization: FAW (Research Institute For Applied Knowledge Processing, Ulm, Germany)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:26:11 GMT

Does anyone know anything about a new release of M.C. ADE ??
From: juonsteve@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Dr. Who story ideas
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:06:50 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Ed Note: Sister J is here again with a message from the real source, MC Flash X.

I'm trying to get the Dr. Who story started, but I'm suffering from a serious
case of writers cramp.  So I want to post a few of my ideas to see if you think
any of them sound good.

1.  A newer incarnation of The Doc runs across an older incarnation of The
Master.

2.  An exploration of Davro's early history.  What he was like before his
crippling accident, how it changed him, what it lead to.  Perhaps the excuse
could be another attempt by the Time Lords to elimate the Daleks, and they sent
the Doctor back to change Davros.  (Although I can hardly see Sylvester McCoy
as a stooge for the Time Lords to boss around.)

3.  Invasion's always seem to happen to Earth of Gallefrey.  But how about a
different sort of invasion?  Perhaps we should have somebody invade the home of
The Cybermen (I know the name, but I can't think of it so I'll look it up
later).  Then the Doc has a dilemma of some sort about whether to let them be
destroyed, or whether they have a right to exist.  He could use the same excuse
he used for not destroying The Daleks, that out fo great evil also comes great
good, and that the elimination of The Cyberman would radically change Time, and
not for the better.

4.  And I know this one sounds like somebody's bad idea of a role-playing game. 
but how about having The Daleks meeth thee cybermen?  Or some other meeting
like that.  I'm sure somebody else has tried it before, but I'd give it a shot.

5.  Last idea.  An episode that center around The Doc getting another companion
besides Ace (who I'd never replace).

These ideas seem fairly weak to me.  Anybody got any better?  Or does one
strike your fancy?  My favorite is the histroy of Davros, but that seems like
an old theme.  If you think it would work let me know.  As always, you can
reach me at <JUONSTEVE@BVC.EDU>, or post me a message on the Who board here on
the net.  See you y'all later!
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Music
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 14:55:47 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Is anybody out there into groups like Poor Righteous Teachers, X-Clan, 
Boogie Down Productions, Ice Cube, or Public Enemy? Right now, these 5 
groups have to be my favorite. It is impossible to find anyone here in 
E-Town who appreciate good music like this...most of the people I have 
met are only into the gangsta rap, and if a record doesn't contain an 
insult towards women or a certain number of swears, they don't listen to 
it...

I also love the 'Stop the Violence Movement's "Self-Destruction" album 
and the H.E.A.L. album...

What

What is the info. on the new Ice Cube album? We just got Guerillas in da 
Mist here in Edmonton, and I am gonna pick that up....

Latah...


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: 12" Reviews Wanted
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:25:51 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

While checking out the 12"'s, I saw:

Shante "Dance To This" w/A MC Shan Remix (?!?)
YZ "Return Of The Holy One"

Both of these are on the Livin' Large label.  Any word on how these sound?

                                             T-Dub
                                             SHYGUY productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: REDMAN on "In Living Color"
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:51:03 GMT

In article <BvEnBL.L41@acsu.buffalo.edu>, simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.143243.6455@ultb.isc.rit.edu> klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>"Whut?  Thee Album" comes out today.
>>K-Mello
>
>	Yo, is Redman related to K-Solo? Their styles seem very similar,
>although I hear he comes off like Erric Sermon on the album...
>

I believe Redman and K-Solo are half brothers.

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
From: schnizer@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Schnizer Ansgar)
Subject: Re: vote
Organization: Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto, Japan.
	<Bv57AE.6nB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:13:59 GMT

David J. writes:
 **Do you know how many jobs have been lost and how much vinyl has phased out
 **under Bush?
 **
 **
 **
Yes, I do remeber the 11% unemployment rate under President Carter.
But I'm think it is correct that the *Gore* stickers were introduced
under Regan/Bush:-)
 **
 **
 **
Cheers, Ansgar

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: RE: NWA et al
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:19:47 GMT

> Also, I've been wondering about this subject for awhile.  I'm white and 
> listen to mostly hardcore hiphop.  In fact, the only "rap" I listen to is 
> hiphop.  I was just wondering what you all thought about white people 
> listening to "black hype" music (there was a thread recently about the 
> non-racism of blacks, so whatever you want to call it).  Point is:  if I 
> rolled into Compton listening to NWA, I'd get my ass kicked, right, even 
> though I feel that blacks in this country are oppressed.  Why is that?  Is 
> it fair for blacks to hate all white people just because the government is 
> 99% white, and they're the ones screwing over the black nation?  Just 
> wondering what you all thought about this.
> 
> -- 
> Jeffery D. Webb
> 
> JWEBB@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU
Well, I'm answering this in public cuz that's what you asked for.  As
one white person to another, I think this is a discussion that should go
else where, and you should try and think about this on your own, by
reading books, and preferably, talking to white people who are engaged
in anti-racist work/action.  I say with white people because there is a
tendency among white people to run to people of color, in this case,
the black folks who read this newsgroup, for the answers about white
people's racism.  This tendency arises from racist conditioning
(and before it sounds like I'm holier-than-thou, I fully recognize I
have racist (and sexist, homophobic, etc...) social conditioning and
am working against it, both personally and societally) that white
people receive about the appropriateness of their actions, the
position of people of color (particularly African Americans) as servants,
either literal or metaphoric, among other things.

So, I'm not flaming you, and if black people want to respond to this, more
power to them, but I am suggesting you take this discussion to other places.

Cool?
-- 
Jason
jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu
finger my account to verify this public key!  (obviously this isn't a sure-
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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: cs125b55@dcl-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: HIP HOUSE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:07:07 GMT

Is there anybody that likes Hip House or House music?  Why isn't there an 
alt.house music group?  My favorites include Fast Eddie, Tyree Cooper,  
Kool Rock Steady, Lil Louis, Terry Hunter, Mike Dunn, Robert Armani, and
Edward Crosby.  


				Walter "Get Down"
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:48:29 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <oeldbMS00iUz46J60U@andrew.cmu.edu>, Gautam Gandhi <gg27+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>...fun and that's it... PE was the first to pave the way to take this new
>art form and use it in a way of voicing thier views on serious issues.  

Props where props is due... Grand Master Flash & The Furious Five's, 'The
Message,' is the first group I remember and oldest record I own to have a
message on it.  PE dropped some political hip hop back in '87, but so did the
Jungle Brothers ('Black Is Black') and BDP for that matter in perhaps '86
('Advance,' which either was under the BDP name or 4:15 name, or something
similar, used before they became BDP).  By the way, does anyone know who rhymes
with KRS on that track?  It didn't sound like D-Nice and I don't think it was
Scott LaRock either.

                                             T-Dub
                                             SHYGUY productions
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dpawson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Pawson)
Subject: Re: NWA et al
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:43:40 GMT

In article <fTmaGNT@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.211201.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> 
>jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>Point is:  if I rolled into Compton listening to NWA, I'd get my ass 
>>kicked, right, even though I feel that blacks in this country are 
>>oppressed.  Why is that?  Is 
>
>Pretty unlikely, you got LA's finest on YOUR side! Now if you rolled in
>blasting Pat Boone, well that's a different story.
Yeeah.  Now you're getting there.  Try shaving stripes in your eyebrows,
wearing a red, white, and blue sequined outfit, and pumping Ice Ice Baby
and you'd be in for a real treat.

Actually, scary how much that image reminded me of another stupid thought.  
A friend teaches in Compton Unified schools.  We had talked about taking a
stopwatch and a few friends (all very much white), wearing Harlem 
Globetrooters uniforms, and going into Compton looking for a pickup 
basketball game.  We would then use the stopwatch to see how long it took
before one of us was punched and/or shot (with good reason).

God that is terrifying.  Vanilla Wafer totally dresses like a Harlem
Globetrotter. . .
					What an image,
							Dave
From: fedde@Moskva.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PE as first New School?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:15:37 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: moskva.docs.uu.se

ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>Listen to that track, 'Dedication,' again.  Puba gives shout-outs to PE, 
>BDP, Eric B. & Rakim, Heavy D, etc., *THEN* he gives thanks to the old 
>school, which in the way he said it, does not include any of the groups 
>he mentioned beforehand.

No matter how much we jump on eachother on this one, it seems that it is
very hard to really define what is and what is not old school. I wouldn't
say that groups are in some type of school, because the schools are sounds
and ways of rhyming. It seems that noone here would call PE old school, but
stil listen to "B-side winns again" (was this the name? I am not at home
to check it, but it is something "B-side...") and that one really has an
old school feeling with all the "To the beat ya'll, come on..."-stuff in
it. The beat in it though is NOT old school. So it has to do with the way
you sound or how the beats sound. 2$hort for example sounds like old
school in both rhyming and beats, Beastie Boys have new beats that are
definatelly not old school, but their rhyming is old school. See what I
am trying to get at?

I would say that it is ok to put groups in boxes with labels like _Hardcore_,
_Insane-gangsta_, _Gangsta_, _Educational_ and so on, but that it is not
valid to try and put them into a school. Rappers rhyme in different styles
and even brag about all the styles they can do. We are trying to do
something that is not really possible I think ;) 

Just my thought...

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: HIP HOUSE
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:48:20 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

cs125b55@dcl-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:

>Is there anybody that likes Hip House or House music?  Why isn't there an 
>alt.house music group? 

Just create it then :)

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Double XX Posse
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:25:24 GMT

Speaking of Big Beat Records, has anyone seen The Double XX Posse's debut
album, "Put Ya Boots On?"  I saw it on wax in Canada, but haven't seen it here
yet; at least not in my area.  I own two of their 12"'s and thought they were
OK.  Anyone hear this album yet and have any opinions?

Also, for Percee P & Ekim fans, the 3 12" cuts have all been
produced/Co-produced by T-Ray for Beatdown Productions.  This is the same T-Ray
that did the MC Serch remix, 'Here It Comes Again.'

                                           T-Dub
                                           SHYGUY productions
From: fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Review : Bushwick Bill - Little Big Man
Keywords: Bushwick Bill
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:18:12 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

fedde@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler) writes:

> ...gap...

Gap should be gat...sorry, was sleepin'

Fedde (fedde@bern.docs.uu.se)
From: tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tami  Luhby)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Parlifunkadelicthang
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:10:31 GMT
Reply-To: tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tami  Luhby)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <911527j.2.717200704@ace.acadiau.ca> 911527j@ace.acadiau.ca (ROBERT JORDAN) writes:
>
>	I suppose you are wondering who the hell I'm talkin' about!
>Funkadelic a funk type group started in 1970,and parliment which was started 
>near the same time. Some of the group members you may recogize, George 
>Clinton(founding member of both group and producer of Funkadelic), Bootie 
>Collins and others.
>
>	If you are confused about why this article is in the alt.rap.  Well, 
>you would shocked if you knew how many current rap groups like Digital 
>Underground and M.C Hammer, I mean Hammer, oh screw that pop-rap-crap.  But 
>any way you get the point.
>
>	At the recent MTV Video Music Awards, the Red Hot Chillipeppers even 
>named these two groups as influences.  That made me proud to think that at 
>least one other person in the whole world knew who the hell they were.
>
>	I'm in the process of tring to find all of their most awesome music 
>on Vinyl(the only way to go).	
>	
>	So please reply!	
>	
Glad to see another P-Funk fan on the net!  Funkadelic to me is the best band from the 70's without a doubt.  Their albums I can listen to over and over again.  In fact, George Clinton is still making the rounds, and a new Funkadelic album hits the stores this week!
If you are trying to find the classic albums on vinyl, good luck.  Unless you want to pay about 40-70 dollars for an original, you can find re-issues at your local vinyl pad.  Even better, get them on CD for the best sound.  All the Westbound albums have been re-released (Except Tales of Kidd Funkadelic).
However, funkadelic vinyl is the best.  All of them have foldouts with crazy stories and art work.  
I encourage all rap fans to pick up some Funkadelia, because you'll be probably hear parts of your favorite rap songs buried in them.

-tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: z3kpw@TTACS1.TTU.EDU ("Wheeler, Kevin")
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: b-boys & girls, Kool Herc
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:12:00 GMT

Hey - I've been wondering about the term "b-boys/b-girls" for a long time.
I've heard that the term stands for "banji beats" or something like that;
what's that mean?  

Kool Herc: dunno anything 'bout '68, but I've seen the year pegged at 1973
when he started playing breakbeats out of his window and later at block
parties.  What happened to him, anyways?  He was in that _Beat Street_ movie
from '84.


Something to sample: Kool & The Gang _Greatest Hits & More_ has a buncha
remixes of their old stuff with lots of added drum machine percussion on
the breakdowns... very busy stuff.

One more question: As for the west coast, do the Arabian Prince and The
Egyptian Lover have anything to do with each other's recordings?
I saw an old Bobby Jimmy and the Critters EP with Arabian Prince as one
of the members...pretty funny considering how he's all Mr. Gangsta now.
Speaking of drastic image changes, anyone remember the World Class 
Wreckin Cru with Dr. Dre and Yella?  On their _Rapped in Romance_ album,
they're dressed in these yellow and red lame' suits.  Humor humor.

Kevin
Weasel-MX

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: kadric@faw.uni-ulm.de (Lilijan Kadric)
Subject: LOW bass CDs
Organization: FAW (Research Institute For Applied Knowledge Processing, Ulm, Germany)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:26:21 GMT

Who can name me some CDs with good low bass tracks on it?
Like 'The Terrorists', 'Gangster N.I.P.', 'Kid Sensation' etc.