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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Master link clips
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:03:24 GMT

jearls@luke.eecs.wsu.edu () writes:
>In article <ku4h3nINN5rv@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Eng Wordsmith]) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.002431.15586@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>>While we're on the subject, what's the "proper" way to nail down a rivet
>>
>> Contact Sudco Mikuni at (213) 747-5173. Ask for Mike or Robby.
>> Ask them to ship you a rivetable masterlink tool. Cost unknown -
>> less than $75. It has an assortment of plates that allow you

Naturally, a $75 tool to install a $60 chain! :-)

>> Takes 30 seconds (really - I did it this weekend at the track).
>> In the time you have saved you can go for a nice ride. :->

Well, when you put it like that, the price doesn't sound so bad.
But the bike disassembly wasn't a total waste of time, we did find
that the swingarm bearing were in need of a lube job. BTW, flattening
the o-rings isn't a problem on the RK chain since it has extended
shoulders on the bushings that prevent o-ring crushing.

>  Ummm..  I used a tool designed to flare copper pipe.  Kind of
>  like a C-clamp with a cone in place of the standard cap on the
>  end of the screw.  (No, I _won't_ draw a picture :-)   Did a 
>  right smart job of flaring out the ends of the rivets.

Sounds like a more affordable alternative (depending on how close to $75
the Mikuni tool is). Next time I'll be ready, thanks guys.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: david@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (David Watkin)
Subject: re: WHAT TO CALL A HARLEY
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:09:43 GMT

You people are fools, you have a bitch that every Harley rider you see puts 
shit on you because you ride jap,but then you turn around and ut shit on 
Harleys and the people that ride them.
When it was put forward to start a news group rec.harley some of you 
votted against it just because you dont like harleys, how pathetic.
This news group should be called rec.haveabitch.wimps.bicycle, some of the 
postings are ok but in genaral, rubbish.
I will probebly here some yelling over this but so what, I will just keep 
ridding my Harley enjoying motorcycling in genaral and going on runs with 
my mates who believe it or not some ride jap, but dont cry about it.
                      KEEP IT UPRIGHT
                       DAVE. 
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Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 02:00:15 CET
From: <NGRANT@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: **Nice bike still for sale**

In article <1992Mar31.091933.5194@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk says:
>
>  Ok... just in case anyone missed it the first time...
>
>      FOR SALE - Suzuki Savage LS650, described in one bike mag
>                as a 'Harleyesque custom'. J-Reg 1991. Only six
>                months old ! Still with six months warrenty to go.
>       And no it's not one of those horrible V-twin factory customs...
>       its a horrible Single cylinder custom.. no I lie.. it's one
>    of the nicest looking production customs on the market at the
>   moment and it's economical 60 MPG.. try getting that from a CBR600 !
>
>    Anyway.. this superb example is Purple and has been looked after
> and recently been serviced. Of course this won't interest you American
> netters coz you can get a Harley for about 20 quid.. bit far to ship
>  a bike anyway... Oh yeah.. this bike is rubber band powered, actually
>  its Belt drive which is quite good actually.. no more having to spray
>   oil on chains an things, lasts about three times as long as well.
>
>   Well.. how much you ask ? lets say about 2,300 pounds... since no-one
>   out there seems to have any dosh at the moment. so anyone interested
>  can mail me  but I won't hold my breath...
>
>  ho hum
>
>           ************************************************
>           * Mark at Oxford University Computing Services *
>           * Email - OPS@UK.AC.OX.VAX  anytime....        *
>           ************************************************
>           Suzuki LS650 - who needs more than one cylinder ?
>
  who wants to buy that old thing mark

  u must be mad...........
From: karen@brahms.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What *ARE* cruisers good for?
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:47:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: amd.1992Apr12.054727.21010
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices; Sunnyvale, CA

Peter A. Simon writes:
>I have a "baby" cruiser, a Suzuki Savage (650cc single). 
>
>Bumpy highways are AWFUL but that's a function of the rear suspension. 
>The travel on the rear shocks are too short.  So short, in fact, to get
>the bike that low to the ground that there's nothing remotely
>aftermarket that I can replace them with.  You might want to check that
>out.  The front is too soft, too, but I don't doubt that that's
>correctable--the forks seem pretty standard.

I ran across this in the May issue of Rider:

	Want to lower you bike?  These 11 1/2 inch short shocks
	are made by Progressive Suspension for Dale Walker's
	Holeshot Performance Products, and feature a freon [sic]
	gas cell to maintain consistent damping.  The short shocks
	retail for $209.95 a pair and will lower most bikes
	approximately 1 1/2 inches.  They fit any model with round
	stud mounting, and two different spring rates are available
	for light or heavy riders.  For more information contact
	HP Products, 311 Chestnut Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95060;
	(408) 427-3625 or (408) 427-0299.

I haven't called them yet, but this looks like good news for short riders.
From: chera@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Rotax (was: RE: WHAT TO CALL A HA)
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:45:52 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <3263.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us 
(Dave Williams) writes:
>->      Rotax is alive and well.  Are they American?

Rotax engines are made in Austria, the company trades under the name 
Rotax/Bombardier.
Their engines have been used in CanAm and Armstrong dirt bikes. The Armstrong
bikes are use by the British army. 
In the late 1980's Matchless G80s manufactured by Les Harris used 500cc
Single OHC Rotax engines. This is the same Les Harris who manufactured 
Triumph Bonnevilles for a short time.
Rotax engines engines are also used by some of the GP racers in 125cc and 
250cc events.
You will even find Rotax powering some of those Ultra-light aircraft. 


Safe riding Roy.
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From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Eng Wordsmith])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Jollisport gloves - Bay area availability?
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:28:45 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com


 Does anyone know if Jollisport (Italian) gloves
 are available anywhere in the Bay area? Santa Clara
 Cycle Salvage only has small and I need a set of 
 large gauntlets..

 thanks,
 Stefan
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From: declan@seas.gwu.edu (Declan McCullagh)
Subject: Breaking in an Engine
Summary: Whence the Revs?
Originator: declan@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:00:48 GMT


I got my CBR600F2 on Monday, and have since put 186 miles on it.  I've
been wondering exactly what occurs during the initial engine break-in
period and have heard various different explanations from various
sources - so I've decided to appeal to the collective r.m net.wisdom.

My admittedly unlearned understanding is that the engine parts need to
wear in and become saturated with oil during the first 1,000 or so
miles.  But why the magic numbers of 600 and 1,500 miles?  Just good
rule-of-thumb intervals?

The owner's manual says:
	Maximum continuous engine speed during the first 600 miles
	must not exceed 5,000 RPM.

In any case, I've heeded Honda's advice, and have only gone to 6,000
RPM during the necessary few minutes of highway riding on the
interstates around the District.  Other than that, I've stayed between
3K - 5K RPM though accelerating quickly in that range.

A kind soul (Axel Fischer/fischer@tmpmbx.netmbx.de) offered some more
break-in suggestions which unfortunately left me wondering what kind
of curve the maximum acceleration plotted over mileage would yield.

Wouldn't it make sense for the maximum continuous RPMs to be somewhere
in the neighborhood of 3K RPM for the first hundred miles, than 4K for
the next 150 miles, than 5K for the next 200 miles and so on?
Granted, that might stifle your riding style, but for the gentlest
possible break-in, would that not be the best approach?

Oh well.  After getting back at 11 PM today, I spent an hour roaming
the roads of the District (~70 square miles can be pretty big),
accelerating slowly and not exceeding 4K RPM...  I hope my bike
appreciates it.

-Declan

declan@seas.gwu.edu / DoD #599 / 1992 CBR600F2
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Test, Please Ignore.
Keywords: Stupid insurance tricks
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:05:34 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Apr13.154254.9366@unx.sas.com> sasmjw@unx.sas.com writes:
>When are insurance companies going to give us a discount for wearing
>helmets?  For goodness sake, I would have thought that any state
>enacting a helmet law would force an immediate and substantial drop in
>motorcycle insurance rates because it's so much "safer" for everbody
>to wear one.
>
When are insurance companies going to pay for helmets damaged in
collisions?  Colorado is a "no-fault" state for medical insurance, and
if the companies put their money where their mouth was, they'd _GIVE_
everybody a helmet!
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From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,rec.sport.basketball.college,talk.politics.guns,soc.motss
Subject: Re: FREE MAGAZINE OFFER FROM A NY COMPANY.
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:54:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO

In article <htweedie.030q@madhat.actrix.gen.nz> htweedie@madhat.actrix.gen.nz (Hamish Tweedie) writes:
>In article <GERRY.92Apr7082429@onion.cmu.edu> you wrote:
>>
>>May 1992 rolls around, and still nothing.  This time I write a letter.
>
>^^^^^^ Gee and I thought it was only April??	
>

So the guy makes a typo.  Then Gerry says ...
>	Hey I'd call that expert service if it arrived in June and we're on
>ly in APRIL :-)
>
>>October 1992, PCC finally arrived, a full year, several calls annd

Then the guy makes another typo.  Then Gerry says ...
>
>^^^^^^^ You sure we're talking about the same year?? (Orfor that matter the
>same planet??)	
>

The net has enough flamers.  
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Double Headlights (was Re: No centerstand?)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:38:00 GMT

In article <16110165@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
|
|
|As for lights, I think
|Yamaha blew it when they got rid of the dual headlights in the FZRs.  I 
|feel much more comfortable 100 miles from home at night with *two* 
|headlights.  Am I paranoid?  I can always carry a spare, but when the light
|blinks out at 70 mph it can be interesting.

I have never had a bike with two headlights, but, then, I have never had
a headlight blink out at 70mph either. (What were you doing at less than
105mph, anyway, hmmm? :-)  But the one thing about double headlights that
makes me uncomfortable is that I notice on the highway at night, the 
double lights look somewhat like a car at a greater distance.  If they 
look a little like that to *me*, I really wonder how easy it would be for 
Mr. Non-biker Cager to make that mistake, and pull out to pass, right 
into said bike.

Any opinions?

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | An Angel on a Harley pulls
90 Concours  (Mmmmmmmmmmmm)                 | across to greet a fellow
81 KZ550 Rat (The Little Engine That Could) | Rolling Stone.
AMA ...let me get it out..oh yes... 583905  | He says, "Where ya been,
DoD #0330  "Bald front tire?  Do wheelies!" | where ya 'goin?" -- R Waters
From: wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 78 Kawasaki 1000 for $600
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:55:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16523
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr6.051126.23431@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umpankr3@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Pankratz) writes:
>Second, I'm worried, it might be a bit heavy for a first bike. Although with
>this bike, I wouldn't be too concerned about laying it down, I just want to 
>make sure I can put it through the paces of my driving test.
>============================================================================= 

1)	Itll be heavy..  Trust me...

2)	I dont think you'll do to well with it if your driving test is 
	anything like North Dakota's.  One of the skills you must demonstrate
	here is a tight u-turn.  I have a friend who at the time I was taking
	my test had a Hurricane 1000.  As I was practicing my test on a wkend, 
	he was playing around with the U-turn on his hurricane (he had passed
	his test several years earlier on a CB350).  It was so tight that he
	could not stay within the lines even when he walked it through (IE.
	bike in neutral, power off, sitting on bike walking it through the 
	course).  This was in 1988, but id have to say I'd bet money that
	even the big hurricane handles better than a 78 Kawasaki 1000 (ANY
	model :)

Scott

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From: brian@apt.bungi.com (Brian Litzinger)
Subject: Re: FREE MAGAZINE OFFER FROM A NY COMPANY.
Organization: NoOrg
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:21:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.223633.24610@tellab5.tellabs.com> rgarg@tellab3.tellabs.com writes:
>
>
>You can call them and either give them the address
>label info from your old subscription or ask them a
>free trial offer subscription for one full year with
>a purchase of any magazine.
>
>They will send you any magazine (out of 1200 different
>titles) for one year free. After that they will request you
>to subscribe thru them at the lowest price. If you don't
>want anything just say no and they won't act as pests
>and keep on sending you their advertisement.
>
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>No flames because if you don't want a free magazine, don't
>call them. If you want a free magazine, call them. In either
>case you don't loose anything.
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Flame on...

Of course you lose something.  here is an excerpt from a letter
I got from participating in such an offer and choosing not to
subscribe to anything:

    Dear Former Subscriber,

    It has come to my attention that your sub-
    scription invoice is still outstanding.

    Unless we receive payment within 10 working
    days, your account will be terminated and
    file as a bad debt with XXX Publishing.

    If you wish to clear your credit standing and
    reinstate your subscription, take this final
    opportunity now by mailing in your payment
    today.

No doubt this will make it onto my credit history.  There goes $60
for a copy of my credit history and endless hours trying to
get rid of it, plus letters to the scum, and so on.

What a ripoff.
Flame off.

brian@apt.bungi.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman)
Subject: How do I get rid of rust?!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:30:12 GMT


I just got some really bad news from the repair shop.  My CB750 hasn't been 
running well, so I was taking it in for a tune-up (over-due) and carb sync.

The shop noticed that my tank has rust inside it and said a tune-up wouldn't
help.  They say I must remove the rust and re-seal it or else my carbs will
forever be infected with rust.  MY carbs do have rust in the float bowl, as I
took them apart a couple of months ago.  The shop wants $100 for the tank job
and $150-200 for the carb rebuild.

I would like to do this all myself.
The tank stuf costs around $20 (the shop charges for a *lot* of labor.
Has anyone done this themselves?  How easy is it?  Any tips?

What can I use on the carbs?  Should I replace all the jets?  I think the 82
CB750K jets and gaskets will fit.
This could decrease my costs to around $100.00

All suggestions welcome
Mike hollyman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: GS vs. FJ
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:49:47 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: San Francisco State University


ok, now that the dd and the johnsw and the brucer either have or are
getting GSs, its time to take a *POLL*.  if you have a GS or an FJ,
send me e-mail and tell me which one.  bill johns doesnt count because
he has both.  and i don't either cause i got me a harley now.

-- 
- bob pasker
  San Francisco State University
  Department of History
  rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu
From: stm0@gte.com (Steven McClure)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wheelies
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:07:51 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

Well, I've had my bike come up on me unintentionally a few times, in all gears
except 5th.  I 'spose the turbo has something to do with that though... :-)

-- Steve

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From: tanner@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Gifs
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:05:27 GMT
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <CMM.0.90.2.702925152.clane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Usually Dazed <clane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> 
> Anyone know any anon FTP sites with any Harley gifs??

I have one of a Sportster with a cute denizen on it.  Does that count?

[anonymous.dod]diana_boyd.gif on cerritos.edu.

-Bruce
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: gwu@tcsi.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Today's Braindead Cager Day
Originator: gwu@nujoizey
Keywords: cagers stupidity TOW
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:22:49 GMT


-
     Today I must be more invisible than normal.  My nine mile, fifteen minute
morning commute entailed the following:

	1) Adjacent Cadillac merged into my lane.  No, I shouldn't have been
	   riding next to him, but I wasn't in his blind spot either.  I was
	   even with his front windshield;

	2) All traffic, including myself, come to an abrupt halt from freeway
	   speed as Caltrans had street cleaners in the left lane;

	3) Another cager cuts ten feet in front of me without signalling,
	   and I shed fifteen mph of velocity very quickly;

	4) Still another cager cuts me off as he appears to be making a left
	   turn in front of me at a traffic light.  No problem, I was watching
	   for him, right?  Bzzt!!!!  He's making a U-turn, and cuts back in
	   front of me a second time.


     It must be because everyone's mind is on taxes.  All these cagers must be
preoccupied with how they've been reamed by the IRS, and are taking their anger
out on biker trash.  I hope those idiots can hear me through the full helmet
when I'm screaming obscentites at them, but I doubt it.

							George

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From: bdhepler@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brad D. Hepler)
Subject: "hubless" wheels (was Re: engine slugishness)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:59:48 GMT

jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>Last night on beyond 2000 (cable)(discovery channel) they had a blurb
>about this engineer/inventor who was riding a cycle that seemed to have
>wheels that were not connected to the frame. I guess he sorta took
>the axel's and increased their size until they where flush against
>the rim and then hollowed out the middle. Supposedly increasing the handling,
>and they said, it's the wave of the future for auto/bike racing. Anybody
>else see this?

There was a cover story in one of the cycle rags about this a while
ago...  Sounded like a gimmick to me.  The expense of the bearings,
their weight, and the difficulties of sealing them are big
problems.  Also, the rear sprocket is the size of the rear wheel, which
requires a huge length of chain and a massive countershaft sprocket. 

Maybe they could use a shaft with a bevel drive on the wheel rim... naaah.
  I don't remember how the things braked.  Maybe like a bicycle.

Brad
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