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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:46:38 MST
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Subject:      Re: Tithing

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>From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
>Subject: Re: Tithing
>Organization: University of North Texas
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:34:32 GMT

In <930117231441.22e020d6@DOC.FLC.COLORADO.EDU> "Glenn Radinsky
S05152@doc.flc.colorado.edu"               <S05152@DOC.FLC.COLORADO.EDU>
writes:

>Dear all (and especially Theresa):
>     Good letter.  Got the old neurons churning to say the
>least.
>     A couple of years ago, I was sitting in a church
>service and I heard the pastor talk about this very subject.
>I had not been doing much in this area at all, and what
>little I had done was to read about it in the Word and agree
>with it.  "Yeah, uh huh, Christ hit the nail on the head
>that time."  But then something inside me said "Glenn, I
>dare ya to put your last $10 in the collection plate when it
>comes around."  It was the last $10 I had; it had to last
>for the rest of the month and buy some pretty important
>things, but I listened and I put it in the collection plate.
>I have been tithing ever since.
>     I have not gone from rags to riches or won the lottery
>or anything like that, but I have always been taken care of,
>even if I thought the donation was going against my better
>judgement.  So maybe I am trying to say that giving of your
>time is something very valuable and more than a lot of
>people do.  But keep your eyes and ears open for that voice
>that says "I dare ya..."
>                         God Bless,
>                            Glenn

I had a similar experience about 4 1/2 years ago.  I was attending an
evangelistic crusade at my church when the offering time came.  I was
currently out of work at the time but had decided to give a couple of
dollars.  I had filled out the envelope, inserted my money, and sealed
the envelope.  Just before the plate got to me, I felt that the Lord
wanted me to put the rest of what I had in the plate as well.  Almost
without a second thought, I placed the rest (about $3) into the plate.
That was the last of the cash I had at that time.

The next day I received an unexpected check in the mail.  Now, I'm not
one of those people who claim that God will provide you with a lot of
money if you give your last buck, but I believe that God provided me
with that check because I contributed the last of what I had.  The
check wasn't a lot, but it met the needs I had at that time.  I believe
that God provides for all of our _needs_ when we follow Him faithfully.

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:09:32 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:PRAYER REQUEST-LIZ

Dear Liz,

I am praising the Lord for your Dad's checkup - What a Mighty God we serve!
We still believe and receive that the results of your checkup will be nega-
tive.  We give God the praise, honor, and glory for what he is doing in
your family.

Dear Heavenly Father,
We give You praise and honor today and thank You for your healing power.  We
ask You to heal Liz's father-in-law from the top of his head to the soles of
his feet in Jesus Name.  We ask Father that You give his wife strength, Your
joy, and peace in this difficult situation.  We also ask You Father to continue
to use Liz to minister to her family.  We thank You in advance for taking care
of every need in Jesus Mighty Name.  We praise You for Liz and for the nice
posts that encourages others on this list.  We know that Liz's tests will be
negative by faith Lord and thank You for this also.  In Jesus Name we pray.
Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:21:28 MDT
From:         Fred Fowler <frefow@FREFOW.AUTO-TROL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Hey, Fred Fowler
              93 9:00 am

  Scott,

      You could try sending mail to frefow@auto-trol.auto-trol.com.

      The node auto-trol is our gateway to Internet, as far as I know:
      it is the node we use for ftp and other net utilities.  That may
      be why my machine is not listed: its name is probably local, and
      smart mailers are able to find or insert the gateway node in
      order to get mail directly to me.  I am not certain that even
      this will do it: I'm going to talk to my system managers about
      this, since everyone else who has tried to send mail to me has
      been able to get through.

                                         Fred Fowler
                                         frefow@frefow.auto-trol.com
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:47:17 -0500
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ussr prayer request
              22 Jan 1993 10:35:50 -0500 from <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>

John:
Excellent post re: Russia
My good friend and next door neighbor who is also a children's pastor
at our church just returned from a missions trip to Moscow and Siberia.
They did some children's crusades with puppets, etc. and worked with
a missionary from our church who has set up over there in a permanent
situation. His plea to Christians upon returning was: We must get off
of our duffs! The Mormons and JW's are already FIRMLY entrenched, speaking
the language and all! The devil is not going to miss his opportunity to
abuse the newfound freedom of the Russian people. PRAY!!!! .....Mark
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:37:00 EST
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From:         "W.C. (RUSTY) DIVENS" <ERCOUPE@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Shot went wide

Actually Steve....

If Circulation is to get 'respect' it will be earned by the attitude of
the people staffing the desk, and not by the name on a piece of parchment
hanging on the wall.  There are a bunch of folks on this list who run
a good Circ operation that do not have the MLS degree, and there is no
guarantee that the posession of a degree guarantees a top-notch circ
operation.

If Circulation *is* run as a professional operation by those who have
no MLS, and it doesn't get the respect it deserves, then the problem
lies in the administration of the library...folks who by and large
DO have their MLS.

Rusty
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:09:42 -0600
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From:         Brad Kaiser <bradk%isdgsm@RTSG.MOT.COM>
Subject:      question about unborn babies (fwd)

Mark Jones writes:

> I hesitate to even bring up something I learned from Hollywood...but does
> anyone ever remember seeing the flick "The Seventh Sign" with Demi Moore?
> This was the first time I had ever heard of the concept of "The Guff" where
> the souls of babies reside before being conceived into the womb of a woman.
> I know for a fact that there is nothing about this in my Bible. But somehow
> I take it that it may come from some of the Apocryphal books, or it may be
> connected with Catholic tradition.

The "Guff" (for some reason I want to spell it "guf") is, so far as I know,
just that: guff.  Silliness.  Something cooked up by the writers of that movie.

(For those of you who didn't see the movie, the thesis is that God created
a finite number of souls, which are put in cold-storage in the Guf[f] until
infused into a human being at birth/conception/whenever.  However, the Guf
is [in the movie] running out, hence it's time for the end of the world ...
followed by various events connected with a rather poor reading of Revelation.)

> "The Seventh Sign" was a good movie,

(Mark: shall I call Siskel & Ebert [US movie critics] and tell them their
jobs are safe? ;-) ;-) )

I think, based on Scripture and Tradition, that while God certainly
knows the total number of human souls He will create, and has always
known that (not to mention how many are to live eternally with Him in
glory), there's no reason to believe that He has already created a
certain number and is just holding them around until they're needed.

Brad Kaiser
(bradk%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com)

          Those who trust in Him shall understand truth,
          and the faithful shall abide with Him in love;
          Because grace and mercy are with His holy ones,
          and His care is with His elect.
                    -- Wis 3:9 [NAB]
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:16:07 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Ode To Rush?

    Evidently someone wrote a poem for Clinton for the Inauguration by My
Angelou? Anyhow, I guess it made little sense, or something, so Rush's
staff cooked this one up. This is just a funny one. I laughed, thought
some others might as well. Wish I could capture the expressions that
were used as this was read. That was almost as funny as the poem.

    Bo "Angelou" Snerdley - "A Poem that makes sense?"

    Surrounded by splendor befit for a king,
    With pomp and sheer arrogance Sir William marched in.
    As Hollywood stars sang his praises of joy,
    The news anchor PERSONS saluted "Their Boy".

    But amid all the hoopla with "courage to change",
    Are promises broken, and "goals rearranged".
    A jog before breakfast, a snack before lunch,
    Let's stop by the White House, it's waffles for lunch.

    His cabinet offers a chance to see why,
    The best or the brightest don't need to apply.
    A quota will do it, a "look for success",
    Don't worry about it, we'll hire some illegal immigrant
         to clean up this mess.

    A "middle class tax break", a deficit cut,
    Forget that I said it, the 'Bush' numbers went up.
    The Haitians are coming? They think I said what?
    No, you fellows stay home, you just..... out of luck.

    Now don't get your hopes up, All that talk about health care?
    It wasn't a promise, It's just a goal we share.
    Say AlGore, don't pout, you be comforted to know,
    As long as you remember Hilory's running this show.

    Go play with those wackos who love spiking trees,
    Or write legislation, bring big business down to its knees.
    The left wing liberals, their all filled with hope,
    While the rest of us wonder, has fate pulled a joke?

    But fear not this nightmare of Clinton and Gore,
    This nation as suffered a Carter before.
    But this time it's different, there's a voice on the right,
    On radio by day, and TV by night.
            (except in Washington, DC)

    So when the Democrats attempt a huge spending spree,
    This time we'll have Rush Limbaugh, telling them
         "The Way Things Ought To Be."

Maks
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:17:05 MST
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Subject:      Re: THANK YOU LAUREN!

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>From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
>Subject: Re: THANK YOU LAUREN!
>Organization: University of Pennsylvania
>Date: 21 Jan 93 20:31:49 GMT

(THERESA BLACKWELL) writes:

>I'm totally against having multiple partners in ANY relationship,
>due to the fact that AIDS is out there.  The PILL does NOT protect
>against AIDS, - only against a young lady becoming pregnant when
>she knows she can't take on that responsibility at the time.

Or if she and her husband simply don't want a child at that time.

>Even with all the methods of Birth Control out there, the only
>sure way to prevent pregnancy, and STD's of any kind, is to
>abstain.  Let me say firsthand, that sometimes that can be
>EXTREMELY HARD TO DO.
>In my case, I truly loved the guy I was with.  Talk about
>decisions....sheesh!!!
>I hope this post didn't offend anyone, but I hope it will
>provide interesting thoughts from other Christia members.


It's true, abstinence from sex is very hard when you're in love.  Sex is a
wonderful way to express love, and it's God-given.  But I think it's very,
very important to keep sex within the bounds of marriage, not because of
AIDS or even pregnancy but because God asks us to.  Since He created us,
and all that is, He knows how we function best, and that's what His
commandments are all about.  They're not intended to just make our lives
hard or "keep us in line," they're another expression of God's love for
us.  I see it as similar to a parent's telling a child not to touch a hot
stove.

AIDS and pregnancy are the more obvious risks; I think, though,
that there is also psychological and emotional damage from having sex
outside of that committed, marriage relationship.

So I would say that the only right time to use birth control is:

1) within a marriage, and
2) for medical reasons.



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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:53:25 +0000
From:         "G.J. McCaughan" <gjm11@CUS.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Evolution and other things
              <01GTTO5E3BXE96VZED@asu.edu>

Glenn writes, concerning some stuff I wrote about evolution:

>      My point is that it makes very little difference to me
> personally if the planet is 5 thousand years old or 5
> billion years old.  I am still called to accept the Lord
> Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior, I am still called upon
> to love others as myself, and I am still called upon to lead
> a life holy and pleasing before the Lord.  The age of the
> planet and exactly how God made does not seem to be relevant
> to do doing this (at least to me).  I am not taking anything
> away from what Gareth said, I am just stating that it would
> probably be better if I concerned myself with not thinking
> that thought or not belittling my neighbor than with the age
> of the planet and exactly how the Lord brought this about.

Just for the record: I couldn't agree more. As far as *practical*
Christian life is concerned evolution is a pretty boring question.
(Which is why the message of mine that started all this off was
sent privately rather than to CHRISTIA...)

I do think it's an interesting question for other reasons, though;
but perhaps not an edifying one for discussion on CHRISTIA, since
evolution (like predestination) is a subject that seems impossible
to discuss without flamage.


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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:44:36 MST
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Subject:      Re: Contraceptives as treatment for illnesses

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From: bdboyle@erenj.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Subject: Re: Contraceptives as treatment for illnesses
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:25:49 GMT

In article <CHRISTIA%93012109181626@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU> Usenet/Netnews
Moderator <FOCMCB@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
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>>Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
>>From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
>>Subject: Re: Contraceptives as treatment for illnesses
>>Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
>>Date: 20 Jan 93 06:56:53 GMT
>
>Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM> writes:
>
>>Excerpts from christia: 15-Jan-93 Re: Contraceptives as treat..
>>ga921008@MCIS.MESSIAH.ED (83)
>
>>> The Pill is less dangerous than being pregnant.  Believe it, or not.
>>>
>>> -Greg Aist
>
>>And so is abortion. . .
>
>unless you are in the womb
>
>-ricko

Amen brother.  and 20 years to the date of r.v.w., over 15 million
souls
have never had the chance to experience life.

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From: SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET (Renee Autry)
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Subject: Defense
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:39:19 GMT
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I have enjoyed reading the responses to the Darren's question regarding
the Christian response to violence/self-defense, etc. especially as this is
an issue about which I have not been able to come to a definitive conclusion.


I would like to add an additional question:  What is the Christian response
as far as the military is concerned?  Do those who promote non-violent
responses refuse to participate in the military?  To those who do not advocate
self-defense and condone the military - how do you reconcile these views?
Should the military serve only to protect national security (self-defense)
or is it okay to be agressive?

I would appreciate any responses.

Renee Autry
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:14:07 -0500
From:         Claude Garner <TQX@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Vatican Ties

Eric,
   Periodically in our church bulletin there will be an insert
published by the Washington based National Association of Evangelicals
(NAE). In the last one there was a call for Clinton to end diplomatic
ties with the Vatican.
                                        In Christ,
                                        Claude Garner
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:28:42 -0500
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Do other people see this....?

Hi guys:

I just can't resist this.  I, too, am getting bizarre offerrings about
physics, vampires, and feminism.

Didn't I just say it the other day? -- The WORLD is too much with us!

Love INC,

--Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:24:12 MST
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Subject:      Re: Praying in tongues (was Re: centering prayer...)

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>From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
>Subject: Re: Praying in tongues (was Re: centering prayer...)
>Organization: University of North Texas
>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:23:28 GMT

It is my belief that the gifts of the Spirit are to be used for the
edification
of believers and for the spreading of the gospel of Christ.

The gift of tongues, I believe, is for the spreading of the gospel.  I
believe
that it is the God-given ability for a Christian to speak in an earthly
language other than his native tongue, and he/she has never studied that
language.

I do not believe that the gift of tongues involves non-earthly tongues.

I do not understand why people would desire to pray in tongues anyway since
God understands all languages.


Keith

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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:09:31 -0500
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Praying in tongues (was Re: centering prayer...)

I agree with Marissa, tongues can be used as a divisive and sort of
"exclusionary" element in a church, but when its real, and of the
Spirit there is nothing so beautiful.

A story that is along the same lines of the one that Marissa related
was told on a first-hand basis by a minister whom I personally know and
love. He is a highly regarded academician as well as a soul-stirring preacher.

This individual tells the story of a couple in their church (huge church)
who were faculty at a local University. They had begun a ministry of sorts
to foreign exchange students whom they would befriend and invite to their
house for fellowship and bring them to church. One Sunday these folks
were bringing a Chinese couple from Taiwan who had just arrived in America,
and they had *never* attended a Christian worship service of any kind!
The wife testifies that she was so afraid that something would happen to
scare them or turn them off. She was almost praying that no tongues would
come forth, so she would have less explaining to do!

Well, they came in a little bit late, and praise and worship was just about
to end. Sure enough...a man about two pews up stood up and gave a message
in tongues. Dr. Walker, the pastor interpreted the tongue, and all were
blessed.

On the way home the American couple were kind of "feeling out" the Chinese
couple, trying to get a reaction to the service. The husband said something
like: "We were really nervous and did not know what was going on, but that
wonderful gentleman who stood up and spoke to us in our own language explained
things so beautifully to where we could understand, and it really set us
at ease. By the way, Dr. Walker (who interpreted) has a masterful command of
our language, and we were glad he interpreted so that the American people
could understand this beautiful welcome we received."

Needless to say, Dr. Walker knows not one word of any Chinese dialect. Nor
does the individual who gave out the message.

I'm not saying that glossolalia always involves a *known* language, or that
it always is used in this same way. I just thought this was yet another
amazing act from our Lord, using obedient children. Thought you all
might enjoy it.......Mark
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