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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Plucked instrument construction
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:36:03 GMT

In article <MOSS.92Aug25102930@ibis.cs.umass.edu> moss@cs.umass.edu writes:
>>>>>> On 25 Aug 92 03:12:03 GMT, hooverb@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce

>Bruce> I'm not sure that this is a "known" subject. I suspect that a lot of
>Bruce> guesswork and luck goes into this sort of thing. (Consider that the
>Bruce> varnish which Stradivarius used is still unknown!)

>Actually, I had heard that this was recently figured out, and is now believed
>to be a significant part of the unusually fine tone he achieved. It seems that
>his records mention where he got the varnish, and the company is still in
>business making the the same stuff! Maybe someone who knows more can verify
>this and/or expand on it.

Hmmmm.. I read an article about this a while back. Apparently Stradi-
varius played a cruel joke on future violin makers by telling every-
one that he _didn't_ use a varnish ... (dunno about the glossy stuff 
on the outside, but they were talking about some kind of pre-treatment,
or possibly the treatment for the inside of the violin).

It took a scanning electron microscope to reveal that the pores in the 
wood were plugged by a varnish. Chemical analysis revealed that it was 
a chitin-based compound.. most likely made by dissolving insects in a
solvent (in other words, some kind of classic shellac). 

Incidentally, not all Stradivari (and other Cremona violins) are ex-
cellent violins. A small percentage are incredible, the rest fall into 
the so-so category. 

The was also a blurb about someone who, with CNC machinery, was tur-
ning out violins with the tonal quality of a medium-to-good Cremona. 
Problem was he was selling these cheaply, as student instruments (since
they didn't cost him that much to make...). He found that no one wanted
to buy one, since to most people cheap = poor quality. He switched to 
making his violins fancy, with good cases, fake ivory bow handles, in-
lays, etc...and selling them at outrageous prices. 

There was also another person whos current project is a graphite violin..
predictable, and sounds like a Stradivarius. Also very cheap..(but I 
wonder who would buy a violin where you could see the carbon cloth 
under the epoxy.. mebbe a gel coat would be just the thing..) and 
practically indestructible for knocking people on the head during 
those bar fights...you'll never need a guitar for that again..





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From: afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Australian Folk? (Tansey's Fancy/Mara)
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:53:19 -0500

In article <1992Sep2.005245.19095@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans) writes:
> In article <1992Aug29.190030.19576@nevada.edu> jablin@nevada.edu 
>        (DOUGLAS JABLIN) writes:
>>I've been interested in folk music, especially celtic, folk-rock coming
>>out around the world. I've only heard snippets about bands of this vein
>>coming out of Australia. 
> 
> Here's three bands I've discovered:
> 
> 1) Mara -- Mara (originally called Tansey's Fancy but renamed for their 
>    lead singer after their first album) draws songs from a variety of 
> European immigrant traditions, most notably English and Eastern European.
> It's a very acoustic sound, almost jazz-influenced in spots;  on the 
> two albums for which they borrowed bassist Danny Thompson they have a 
> considerable similarity to Pentangle.  Albums:  TANSEY'S FANCY, IMAGES,
> ON THE EDGE, and DON'T EVEN THINK.  #2&#3 are my favorites, #4 the only CD.)
(deleted)

I heard Tansey's Fancy open for Pentangle in Canberra in 1983.  I 
immediately got their first (and only, then) album.  

There are lots of similarities in the music that these two groups play
(TF used a couple of Pentangle arrangements on the album that I have)
but TF had a rawer sound.  Pentangle created some of the prettiest folk
music that I have ever heard, but it is sometimes *too* pretty, IMHO of
course.  Listening to TF, I can imagine myself sitting next to a 
campfire in Macedonia with a group of half-drunk Gypsies...

> -- 
> --Ken Josenhans
>     Internet: 13020KRJ@msu.edu      Bitnet: 13020KRJ@msu

Andrew Cockburn
From: thomasf@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Thomas D Feller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: T Bone Burnett, Richard Thompson
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:12:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

I am hoping someone in netland can help me find recordings of a Mt
Stage show two weeks ago with T Bone Burnett and They Might be Giants

Also the same week there was E Town show with Richard Thompson and
the Holmes Brothers.

And again last week T Bone Burnett show up on E Town this time with
his wife with Sam Philips.


Since my last move I have not been able to record things off the
radio. If someone out there has these shows on tape please email
me and maybe we can work something out.


Thanks Folks

Tom Feller

thomasf@vice.ico.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: neverisk@trintex.uucp (Mike Neverisky)
Subject: D. Wilcox "Nightshift Watchman"
Organization: Prodigy Services Co.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:54:07 GMT

Good news for David Wilcox fans: I just received Elderly Instruments 
bulletin #109, and it lists Wilcox's "Nightshift Watchman" cassette
as an in stock item.  

Stock number SONW-C1087  for $6.85

Elderly is located in Lansing, MI and can be phoned at (517)372-7890



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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: dalton@cord.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton)
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Organization: Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, UBC, Vancouver, Canada
	<1992Aug19.120912.14740@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
	<DALTON.92Aug20130253@epoch.Geop.UBC.CA>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:42:26 GMT

After several requests for addresses, I've augmented my original posting
and included it below.  In general it should be cheaper to order from
the artists or record companies directly, but here are the addresses of
two stores that offer general mail order service:

1.   O'Brien's Music Store
     278 Water Street 
     St. John's Nfld.
     A1C 1B7 
     (709) 753-8135
     They also have more out-of-print records plus many
     Irish and Scottish selections and songbooks.

2.   Fred's Records
         Duckworth Street
     St. John's Nfld.
     I've misplaced the number, postal code and phone number
     but this address should get them.  Otherwise, get long
     distance directory assistance to give you the number.
     Fred's has more modern/up-to-date stuff than O'Brien's.

Here is the original posting, with addresses added:

In article <DALTON.92Aug20130253@epoch.Geop.UBC.CA> dalton@epoch.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton) writes:

   Xref: ubc-cs rec.music.folk:16139 soc.culture.celtic:13277
   Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jayne Ashworth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Request for lyrics to non-official verse of _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:02:21 GMT
Organization: Academic Computing, U. Va.
Originator: jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU

I have the words to the verses of _Puff the Magic Dragon_ as it 
is done by Peter, Paul and Mary.  Some years ago, at a Girl
Scout camp, I heard an additional verse.  The PP&M version ends
with the boy outgrowing the dragon and the dragon returning to
his cave.  The verse I am seeking explained how the boy grew
into a man who had his own son and that the son played with Puff.
I liked the way it reflected the ebbs and flows of our lives
as we grow, despite its not being an "official" verse.
Can anyone help?  Via e-mail I am jpa@virginia.edu - thanks.
                                    Jayne Ashworth
From: jmf@abacus.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Plucked instrument construction
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:42:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug25.174237.5722
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University

In article <2217@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> hooverb@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce Hoover,Armstrong) writes:
>I'm not sure that this is a "known" subject. I suspect that a lot of
>guesswork and luck goes into this sort of thing. (Consider that the
>varnish which Stradivarius used is still unknown!)

There was a PBS TV special a few years ago on which a guy claimed to
have solved the 'secret of Stradivarius', & after doing lots of research
on varnish determined it wasn't due to special varnish after all,
but wood that had been cut at some distance from the city that the Stradivari
family worked out of, then floated/stored for months on barges
through an estuary before hitting the workshop where it was cured for
violin-making.   
The secret of the sweet tone is, according to this guy, due to the peculiar
combination of estuary salts crystallized out in the wood, as well as the
type of wood & the pattern/thinness of the instrument.
This makes a lot more sense, from a physics standpoint, than magic varnish.
The story then took a turn into good old American entrepeneurial b-s,
where the guy had set up a factory to churn out new fiddles out of the
right kind of wood, properly soaked & dried.  It didn't look he had hired
fiddle makers as well-seasoned as the wood, & I'd bet it would still take
them, as well as carefully measured & soaked wood, to put together Stradiveri
sound-alikes...maybe not...has anybody heard one?
From: tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Cheryl Wheeler
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:46:01 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <14458@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
-->more.  So, to whoever, has been raving about her in the past, here is an
-->opportunity to rave about her again and tell me everything about any
-->recorded material I might be able to find.


HOORAY!! Rave, rave, rave!!

I believe "Summerfly" is on CW's second album, Half a Book.
Isn't it a duet with Jonatan Edwards on that record?
Anyway, Half a Book is fairly low-key, emphasizing acoustic
folky type sounds.  Her third album, Circles and Arrows,
was marketed (such as it was) as more of a country album, even
down to being recorded in Nashville.  It has more numbers with
electric instruments, but still a healthy dose of acoustic folk.

She does have one other album (her first), which is eponymous.
I haven't heard it, so I can't comment.

IMHO, Maura O'Connell has a nice voice, but turns Summerfly
from lyrical to lethargic.  Maybe it was her producer's fault?

Tristan
-- 
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From: ceo@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chip Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyrics request: The Banks of the Lee
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:06:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.

In article <1992Sep3.091846.25525@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gerry.Mulvenna@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna) writes:

>Does anyone know the song "The Banks of the Lee"?
>
Where true lovers meet beneath the green bower
Where true lovers meet underneath the green tree
And Mary, fond [?] Mary, she says unto her true love
You have stolen my young heart by the Banks Of The Lee"

[chorus]
For I love her very dearly, most truly and sincerely
There's no-one in this wild world that I love more than she
Every bush and every bower, every wild Irish flower
Reminds me of my Mary by the Banks Of The Lee.

Don't stay out too late love, on the moorlands my Mary
Don't stay out too late love, on the moorlands for me
For it's little was my notion, as we parted by the ocean
That we'd be forever parting on the Banks Of The Lee

[chorus]

I will pull my love some roses, some wild Irish roses
I will pull my love some roses, the fairest to see
And I'll lay them on the graveside of my own dear darling Mary
On that cold and silent grave where she sleeps beneath the tree

[chorus]

>I cannot remember the other verses.  I heard a rumour that Silly Wizard
>may have recorded it.  Does anyone know any more verses or any recordings
>of this song?  (Not to be confused with "The Banks of My Own Lovely Lee").

Silly Wizard does have a version of it, on "Kiss The Tears Away". The only
other recording I know of is by Cordelia's Dad, an Amherst, MA based band
that does American and British/Celtic trads to thrash/punk arrangements.
Great stuff-- they also did "Scarborough Faire" and "Will The Circle Be
Unbroken".

--
-Chip Olson. | ceo@silver.lcs.mit.edu | ceo@gnu.ai.mit.edu 
"I get drunk, drinking Guinness with Creme de Menthe in it. It's really
bad for you."  -Shane MacGowan.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: ry cooder?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:09:22 GMT

Let me re post this with a more sensible title...

In article <1992Sep1.231249.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
> Hi,
> 	I watched a movie the other night called Crossroads (aka the Karate 
> Kid Goes to Mississippi). But it had some great blues music... The credits 
> attributed them to Ry Cooder. What can you tell me about Ry Cooder. Is the 
> music in that movie like most of his stuff? is the sound track easily 
> available. Is other Cooder stuff good?  
> 
> skip
> rlwilliams@gallua
From: preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyric requests (Gypsy Rover)
Date: 31 Aug 1992 16:20:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University, Houston

hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com writes:

>A few more verses

and here's my additions

>The Gypsy Rover went over the hill
>Down to the valley so shady 
>He whistled and he sang as the green woods rang
>And he won the heart of a lady

She left her father's castle gate
She left her own fond lover
>She left her servants and her estate
>To follow the gypsy rover

Her father saddled up his fastest steed
He roamed the valleys all over
>He sought his daughter at great speed
>And the whistling gypsy rover

He came at last to a mansion fine
down by the river Clady
and there was music and there was wine
for gypsy and his lady

The gypsy's no gypsy my father she said
>But lord of these lands all over
>And I will stay til my dying day
>With my whistling gypsy rover
From: darkstar@u.washington.edu (Alden Hackmann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Lyke-Wake Dirge
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:57:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep3.165714.28847
Organization: University of Washington


I have recordings of this from Pentangle (Basket of Light) and Malicorne (a  
compilation album, so I don't know which album it was released on).  Can anyone  
point me to where I might find the lyrics, which are unintelligable on both  
recordings?  And what do they refer to?  

Thanks!  


--

Alden F.M. Hackmann                             University of Washington
darkstar@u.washington.edu                       Department of Pathology

"You can know, even for a moment, that it's your turn, 
 that you can walk with the power of a thousand generations"  - Bruce Cockburn
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Whaling Songs?
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:31:41 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

One people who have some very good whaling songs are the Basques;
polyphonic pieces somewhere between Welsh and Georgian singing in effect.
Their whaling was traditionally done in open boats rowed out into the Bay
of Biscay; that was doing it the hard way.  I don't know where you can get
recordings of them; I haven't heard any for about 15 years.

There are Inuit songs about whaling as well; I haven't heard these.

Now can we have some traditional Canadian worksongs to accompany clubbing
baby seals to death?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: dalton@mantle.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton)
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Organization: Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, UBC, Vancouver, Canada
	<1992Aug19.120912.14740@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
	<DALTON.92Aug20130253@epoch.Geop.UBC.CA>
	<DALTON.92Aug25144153@cord.Geop.UBC.CA>
	<DALTON.92Aug25152244@cord.Geop.UBC.CA>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:59:17 GMT

I forgot a couple of people in my previous post, corrected below.
Thanks to Lorne Taylor  (ex-Rawlins Cross) <lorne@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
for pointing out the errors.

In article <DALTON.92Aug25152244@cord.Geop.UBC.CA> dalton@cord.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton) writes:
   A little more detail on the bands:

      Figgy Duff is a celtic rock band, with material ranging from
   lovely melancholy ballads through upbeat arrangements of
   traditional and Benoit-written Nfld. jigs and reels 
   and more recent celtic influenced original pop tunes written
   from a Nfld perspective.  They are: Pamela Morgan on vocals,
   keyboard and guitar, Noel Dinn on drums, bodhran and backup vocals,
   Frank Maher (or sometimes Geoff Butler) on accordions and harmonica,
   Kelly Russell on fiddle, mandolin, bouzouki, concertina, lap harp, etc,
   someone on electric guitar and mandolin, someone on bass.

ADD: Rob Laidlaw on bass and Bruce Crummel on electric guitar.

      Rawlins Cross is a celtic rock band, mostly upbeat. They do lots
   of traditional jigs and reels but also do a number of original tunes
   and even some blues and reggae tunes on the bagpipes.   They are:
   Dave Panting (formerly of Figgy Duff)  on mandolin, electric guitar,
   vocals,  Ian McKinnon on bagpipes, trumpet, tin whistle, bodhran, harmonica,
   Brian Bourne on bass and Chapman stick, and a drummer.

ADD: Geoff Panting (co-founder) who plays keys, button and piano accordian. 
Geoff arranges almost all the songs and has written some others (Title track 
on 1st album etc). 
ADD: Howie Southwood - Drums and percussion


      Tickle Harbour have been around for a while, but the lineup keeps
   changing.  Currently they are composed of three Nflders, three Irishmen
   living in Nfld and a Chicago native working in Nfld.  They sound rather
   like Altan, but with a Nfld. twist and are mostly intrumently. (They
   need a good vocalist).  Flute (Rob Murphy), tin whistle, bodhran, two 
   fiddlers (Seamus Craig, sometimes Bob O'Donovan, and maybe Kelly Russell
                   CREAGH
   now), guitar, mandolin, vocals.  They have now been touring.
                                              NOT

ADD Paddy Mackey - Bodhran
ADD Don Walsh - guitar and bazouki (GROUP FOUNDER) Don  
owns and operates the studio the boys record in. (Don also allows 
other less fortunate groups to record in his studio for VERY cut 
rates if not for free!!!)
CHANGE  Seamus Craig to SEAMUS CREAGH
 


Post or E-mail me at <Dalton@Geop.UBC.CA> if you want more detail.

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Anyone have the first Outback CD "Baka"?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:26:36 GMT

I'm looking for someone that has the first CD by Outback called
"Baka". If you have it, please get in touch with me asap.

Thanks alot,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: sebring@daehall7.Eng.Sun.COM (Nancy Howes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: John Gorka: Temporary Road
Date: 4 Sep 1992 00:55:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: sebring@daehall7.Eng.Sun.COM (Nancy Howes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: daehall7


Well....
John Gorka's Temporary Road has been out for over a week 
now and noone has posted anything yet, so I thought I would
throw in my thoughts about it. 

It's really great! As good as his previous stuff and as always, the 
more you listen the more you fall...

It has true Gorka lyrics such as:

"There's two things I know well", he says.
"The ways that I hurt and all of the ways to hell"

and...

He was always a likeable guy.
The women passed under him as if he could fly.

and...

His street clothes have all shrunk in size 
But most of the weight that he gained was in his eyes.

Ah!!! I love it!

and some of the best lyrics of the entire album, I think...
-----------------------------------
There is nothing in my head today.
Nothing awful there to ponder or confuse me.
Go ahead in what you have to say.
I will listen as I listen to the news.
You know the whole truth there is horrible.
Its better if you take a little at a time.
Too much and you are not portable.
Not enough and you'll be making happy rhymes.

You might like the gypsy life.
You judge your progress by the phases of the moon. 
Get you compass and your sharpest knife.
People love you when they know you're leaving soon.
------------------------------------

There are a couple of blues songs that I really like
and some of the others are a bit more produced than his earlier 
stuff but as Gorka says "It's still folk music to me". Just
turn up the volume! 

From a true Gorkhead, 

-Nancy 
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Subject: Re: exit
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 03:20:59 GMT


interesting. I was given some Josh White Junior albums by my 
uncle (I am 21 and have, in the last two years realized that 
there is a lot of really good folk music out there beyond Pete
Seeger and Bob Dylan) he said that he saw him perform and he was
fantastic, but I was nonplussed by the albums. If he is better
live and he is coming to the Philadelphia area, someone post it,
so I can try to see him. (or just e-mail me.)
						Thanks
						Chris
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Request for lyrics to non-official verse of _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:23:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: gallua.1992Aug28.132351.1
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Aug28.130221.20888@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jpa@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jayne Ashworth) writes:
> I have the words to the verses of _Puff the Magic Dragon_ as it 
> is done by Peter, Paul and Mary.  Some years ago, at a Girl
> Scout camp, I heard an additional verse.  The PP&M version ends
> with the boy outgrowing the dragon and the dragon returning to
> his cave.  The verse I am seeking explained how the boy grew
> into a man who had his own son and that the son played with Puff.
> I liked the way it reflected the ebbs and flows of our lives
> as we grow, despite its not being an "official" verse.
> Can anyone help?  Via e-mail I am jpa@virginia.edu - thanks.
>                                     Jayne Ashworth
===
This sounds interesting... I'm looking forward to it.  I also remember
listening to the radio and hearing Peter Yarrow sing the first verse...

(singing)"Puff the Magic Dragon...." (and then talk) Is NOT a song 
about drugs. It is a song about growing up, learning new things 
and leaving old things behind.  I know. I wrote the song..."

rlwilliams

(I hope you'll post it if you get it.)