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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:19:24 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

When I stupidly thought stopping all caffeine would get rid of my three week
headache and ended up at the doctor I found out that caffeine restricts the
blood vessels in your body.  This is why a cup of coffee will often cure a 
headache - it restricts the blood vessels and so there isn't so much pressure.
At least that's how my doctor explained it.  Stopping all caffeine let the
blood vessels relax and the extra flow of blood is what turned a 3 week nagging
headache into a debilitating I can't open my eyes headache.

I would imagine it is this contricting of the blood vessels that would worry
doctors about pregnancy.  You don't want to affect how much blood gets into
the fetus.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Drawing software for kids
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:11:27 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <185mhfINNq21@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:

	A friend of mine, whom I've told about this newsgroup, gave me a
   ShareWare program that is really neat looking.  While a couple years old,
   I thought I'd report about it in case some of you didn't know but would like
   to inquire about it.
	It's called KidPix, and it is compatible with most Macintosh drawing
   programs, as it stores thing in Pix format.

KidPix is also a commercial product, published by Broderbund. I would
suppose the shareware program is still ok to own. Apparently they made
some major improvements in the commercial product, but since I haven't
seen the shareware version, I can't say.

KidPix (commerical) is really *great* and my daughter has spent quite
a bit of time with it, even though we only have a Mac Plus. She's been
using it since age 2.5, and found features that I hadn't found.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Folic Acid prevents spinabifida!
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:32:09 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.214242.4796@clipper.ingr.com> ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date) writes:
-I heard on the radio this morning that a lack of folic acid (a B
-vitamin) during the 4th week of pregnancy is now thought to
-be responsible for Spinabifida.  

-The interviewee said that HALF of all the cases of Spinabifida could be
-eliminated by this simple element of nutrition.  The problem is that
-the 4th week is a time when women may not even know they are
-pregnant.

Nit picking:

The first paragraph implies that a lack of folic acid is the cause of 
Spinabifida, the second paragraph says only half the cases of Spinabifida
could be eliminated by proper intake of folic acid.  What accounts for the
other half of the cases?

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.  D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:29:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.1992Sep8.152917.12913
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <LkNoqB1w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>It's not so much of a milestone in that "my little boy is growing up". For
>me, it's more of getting back the use of the passenger's front seat in my
>car. His baby-style carseat doesn't fit in the backseat, because of the
>seat belt design in the back. So when the family wants to go somewhere, my

My mothers car was like this. It was a 10 year old Toyota Celica, and the
seat belt came out of the side of the car, instead of the seat, so it was 
impossible to get the car seat in tight enough. After many trys, I finally
found out that back then all car seats were intended to be teathered. Sure
enough there were predrilled holes in the back shelf-thingy. I bought a
tether at the same place I bought the car seat, and was able to put the 
car seat in the back of my moms car.  The tether cost $10, and was easy to
install.

Not all car seats can be tethered. We used the Evenflo Ultara seat which
worked.

Laura Floom
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Names
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:33:22 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

I have posted this in the past, but thought it fit the catagory of different
names:

I have a close friend and her family all have "strange" names.  They are:

  Sutton Marie (sister)
  Chalane Marie (my friend)
  Brione Marie (sister)
  Tor (brother)
  Ryer (brother)
  Brant (brother)

  Chalane (Shu-lane) married Tad and they have a 2 year old named Beau.  They
  are expected again and their girl name is either Brawnwyn (sp) or Britton
  (after her sisters)

  Her sister Sutton has a son named Jace

  Her brother Tor has a daughter named Channing

Thought these were all different names!

-- Susan Elizabeth Price Davis (all very common names ! )

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From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
Date: 9 Sep 1992 11:19:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT)

>I'm sure this is not the place to bring this up ...but what the hell.
>So something I've always wondered about is - Why does using a condom
>constitute safe sex?  If sperm can sneak by, can't the HIV virus?

Yes!  I thought of this many times, beginning with the outbreak of the
AIDS virus.

the spooky thing?  Teenage preganancy is still high.  What does it take
to get these kids to realize that pregnancy is only one possible side
effect of not using a condom (as unreliable as they may be, they are
better than nothing!).

-Shirl
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car Seats and Trucks
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:11:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>I am similarly confused.  Do you mean that you have no problems
>putting two adults and a child seat on a bench seat with a manual
>transmission?

yes, that is what I mean.  The kid goes in the center.  It is a 76
Chevy C10 (not S10), a full-size.  No extended cab.

Shifting does take a little practice though, I suppose, to get your
elbow around the seat.  You could always stick your spouse in the
center, and the kid in the passenger seat (I know, it's not as safe,
but neither are front seats).

-Shirl
From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Drugs in Labor (was Re: "Missing out")
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software

In article 14627@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu, pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>
>My baby was born after a 70 hour labor, the last 8 hours with an epidural--
>the last few minutes with the stronger c-section drugs. My friends' baby 
>was born after 12 hours of labor with no drugs.
>
>My friends' baby could hardly wake up at all for the first few days. We 
>all agreed that if the mother had had drugs during labor, we'd have thought 
>she was suffering from the aftereffects. My own baby was sleepy, but not as 
>much so. 
>

Just another data point: my baby was born after a labor with no drugs 
except a local for the episiotomy, and she was a VERY sleepy baby - had to
be woken to be fed about half the time (all those books telling me she 
would want to be fed 8-15 times a day - I was doing well to feed her 7 
times).

On a side note, when people say they had a "70-hour" or a "12-hour" labor,
what are they counting as the begining of labor?  I generally say my labor
was 10 hours long, since that is how long I had to use breathing to get 
through the contractions.  If I count from when I started having regular
contractions, it was more like 60 hours.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Trick-or-treating; what age?
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:44:24 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

Kathy was a bit over 2 when we took her trick or treating. We went
with a family we are good friends with, who have a daughter
Katherine's age, along with several older children. The girls had fun
with their costumes, had painted on noses, and basically had a blast
with the whole thing, going from house to house, holding out their
goodie bag, etc. Katherine did forget about the goodie bag after that
night, and we took almost everything out of it. A few days later she
asked for it, and ate what we'd left for her.

She had so much fun she wanted to do it again, and was disappointed
when I told her she'd need to wait. I don't know if she remembers last
year specifically or not, but she's excited about Halloween this year,
and we haven't talked about it in any great amount.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: kid that wants to sleep in bed w/parents
Keywords: bed, sleep trouble
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:05:40 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I'm having trouble with a kid that wants to sleep in bed w/ or w/o
parents.  She doesn't care if we're there or not.  But she definitely
doesn't want her crib.  She's seven months old now, and I'm afraid
once she gets mobile we'll be in big trouble.

I think it started from nursing her to sleep in my bed then leaving
her there for fear she'd wake up if I tried to move her.  Now it goes like
this:  she's ready for bed, having just been fed or whatever.  I put her
in her crib.  She screams.  I go comfort her, she quiets down.  Then
she starts to scream again.  So I pick her up and put her on my bed.
Instant silence.

Now I'm not complaining too much, because at least I have a place I
know she will sleep.  And she sleeps through the night, and she's nice
and quiet and still to sleep with.  I had some success with giving
her my pillowcase in her bed, but not lately.

And it's not just our specific bed!  We were on vacation, and she wouldn't
sleep in the porta-crib, only on the cabin's queen-size bed.  She
had the biggest bed of anyone in the family!

Anyway, I'm kind of worried she's going to start crawling here pretty soon
and wake up from naps and ransack my room.  So any suggestions or
experiences people want to share?  She's in there right now.  I'll have
to shove her over when I'm done reading news.

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cute things they say (3 yr old)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:30:50 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <8SEP199212071154@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>Kids will do anything to delay bedtime, won't they? Last night

Last night, we'd completed "THE RITUAL" which takes a full
half hour and involves 3 books, toothpaste, diapers (or not), and
sleepers.  After Laura had been in bed
1/2 hour, she came downstairs with her diaper off (note:  She has been
dry 4 nights in a row, but wanted a diaper last night for some
reason).

When asked what she was doing downstairs without her diaper when she
was supposed to be in bed, she replied

"I want to start all over"
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine, again
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:30:57 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

Thomas fanciers in the SF Bay area can get a fix at Burlington Coat 
Factory in Westgate Mall (of all places!).  I found two board books
there:  one about James, the big red engine (with wheels on the book),
and one about Thomas's noisy cargo.

The British food store on Campbell Ave. next to Dolphin Pets also
has Thomas paraphenalia.

Karen Black
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Re: Crib recommendation wanted
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:19:28 GMT

In article <BuD7CA.JrI@apollo.hp.com>, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
wrote:

> Go to your favorite baby-supply store.  Bring a teddy bear.  Make your
> husband put the teddy bear into a playpen ten times.  Then have him
> try the same thing on a crib.  I think he'll see the point.   Playpens
> for kids who can't stand up are HARD on the back!

Better yet, take a 10 or even 20 LB. bag of sugar and THEN put it in the
playpen and take it out tem times!  It'll make the point more quickly, I
bet!

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:32:50 GMT

As long as we're on the subject of names, I'd like to ask if
anyone out there in the misc.kids readership knows anything
at all about the name "Derelys".

What I want to know about it:

  Have you ever heard it before?

  Do you know anyone named Derelys? (Variant spellings are fine.)

  What is its origin?

  What does it mean?

  Is it normally a girl's name or a boy's name?

E-mail responses are fine; I'll summarize to misc.kids if I get any
requests to do so.

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
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From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 09:43:51 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:

> In misc.kids, vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier) writes:
> >My husband and I went back and forth on a name for our unborn child.
> >He was very enthused.  I kept trying to like the name.  I asked friends.
> >Their lack of enthusiasm was visible in spite of polite responses.  I decide
> >that I couldn't settle on a name that I didn't truly feel deeply happy with.
>
> I wonder if deep down I knew that Carrie would be a girl.  We had her
> name chosen two years before she was born.  (It's what Brad would have
> been had he been a girl.)  All through my pregnancy, I waffled on a
> boy's name.  We went into labor with three possibilities, none of which
> I was really crazy about.  Luckily we didn't need to pick one!
>
> Diane Segelhorst
> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
> Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, 3 months

When I was 12 or so, I babysat for a couple of kids who were named London
(boy) and Che (girl). I thought Che was a great name and if I ever had a
girl that's what I would name her. Years later, I got pregant and told my
husband that if it was a girl we would name her that. He didn't fuss too
much (I don't think he was ready for any of it), and we had a girl. During
my hospital stay, I got bored, so when the paper came to make her name
official, I added an accent to the name making it: Che'.

I also have a nephew who's name is Christian Simon. He insists on being
called Chris, rather than Christian, because he has been teased about it.
My sister and her family are not religious, they just liked the name.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: susanw@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Susan Wechsler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 3YO waking up hysterical
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:38:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA

>This is the third time in 10 days, so that makes it a series:
>my normally calm son has been waking up hysterical and unconsolable...

>He's finally calmed down. What I'd like to know is,
>are these night terrors?...

>Thanks,

>Cal Pomes

Our daughter went through this, and it was indeed night terrors.  It was
incredibly upsetting for us, as well as for her, because we couldn't 
reason with her or console her.  What we found to work best was to turn
on a soft light, hold her in our arms, and try to permeate her senses with 
something VERY familiar and soothing.  We used things like a familiar toy 
that played a melody, or playing her favorite Raffi song (Baby Beluga) on 
the record player over and over again (We wound up taping the song 20 times
back to back on a cassette to facilitate this).  Talking did NOT work at all.  
Hope this helps.  Keep in mind that it is a normal developmental stage and
does pass with time.  It probably makes sense during this period to curtail
their exposure to anything that might be exacerbating the situation, like
kid shows with potentially scarry animals, frightening situations, etc.
But our daughter was watching Sesame Street EXCLUSIVELY, and she still had
night terrors.

Good luck!

--Susan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:14:24 GMT

In <1992Sep11.225952.15626@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:

> ...
>Surely, no drug is worth the risk to your unborn child, is it?

Let's be careful about handing out advice like this.  Sure,
eliminating drugs decreases risks to the fetus, and why not eliminate
caffeine and alcohol if it's easy.  But unless we personally also
eliminate all the other minor pleasure activities in our lives that
carry risk, we cannot argue that our decision to eliminate caffeine
and alcohol is the result of rational risk-assessment.  Nor should we
try to convince others to abstain with the argument that it's the
logical thing to do.

If we're going to tell pregnant women to cut out caffeine and alcohol
completely (which, according to the evidence, have no effect in small
quantities), then we should be advising them also to shower only every
other day or less, not to take pleasure trips in the car, (eg to the
movies, to dinner, or to a friend's house) not to take walks that
include crossing busy intersections, etc.

These pleasure activities all entail very real risks, possibly greater
than that posed by an occasional cup of coffee or glass of wine.  Yet
we ignore these other mundane risks and get hysterical over alcohol
and caffeine, merely because they're the risks that get press.

--Connie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Family Bed
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:33:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <4SEP199223055167@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:

>
>What I find really amusing about this subject is that we sometimes run into
>people who say the family bed wouldn't work for them because it would
>restrict their privacy or make their child too dependent, or because
>(usually with a small baby) they're afraid of rolling over and suffocating
>the baby. Some of them are quite firm about it. But almost invariably, if 
>you listen to them for a while you learn that while their kids may start
>the night in their own beds, they come in to their parents almost every
>night, and often stay there.
>

Ben, 

I have no objection (it would be VERY presumptuous of me if I did!) to
your preferring a family bed.  I do become annoyed when you imply that
I'm lying about *not* having a family bed.  My two-year-old sleeps all
night in her crib, or in the mattress she's transitioning to.  We
sleep all night in our bed.  The two become mixed only in emergencies
-- child who's too sick to sleep, that sort of thing.  It is possible
to have a "family bed" only on rare occasions.  I grew up in such
a household;  so did my husband.

Betsy, who thinks two starfishes in her Queen bed is quite enough,
and would buy a King if she had it all to do over.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: equacken@encore.com (Eric E. Quackenbush)
Subject: Re: Ante-natal vitamins, other ravings
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:07:11 GMT

dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.114210.6645@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
>>[...]
>>Next question: vitamins. I have noticed a few mentions of ante-natal
>>vitamins. In the pregnancy books I have read (Australian based) they say
>>"American doctors always prescribe special pregnancy vitamins, but this is
>>not necessary for anyone with a healthy diet." (paraphrased). When I was
>>pregnant I took Iron tablets (I always hover on the verge of anaemia,
>>anyway). SO, are vitamin tablets compulsory in the US. I know noone who has
>>taken them here. [and our babies are healthy.] The advice here is to fix
>>your diet, if its not OK already.
>[...]

>When I was pregnant in 1990, I read an article in the newspaper
>about a study which was conducted by a panel of experts from the NSF
>(National Science Foundation) on the use of prenatal vitamins.
>Basically, the conclusion was that a person who ate a healthy diet
>was not better off taking prenatal vitamins.

>I queried my obstetrician about the study, which of course, he had
>read.  His response was that he looked on prenatal vitamins as
>"insurance."  Ideally, pregnant women would eat healthy, balanced
>diets every day.  But, if they don't, they can at least fall back on
>the vitamin.  Also, most prenatal vitamins contain folic acid, which
>has been shown to decrease the chances of spinabifida (I think
>that's the condition).  But yes, absolutely, a healthy diet is a
>key ingredient in producing a healthy baby.  
>-- 
>Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
>dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
>(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)

    My wife took prenatals during her pregnancy, first one.  We won't
pay the outrageous prices the next time.  This is why:

One of the bottles we got, you could see through the perscription label
and there was an ingrediants label by the manufaturer under it.  With
much diligence I got the label off and compared it to K-Mart's Centrum look
alikes.  Except for calcium and iron which my wife already took over the
counter supplements for anyway, the prenatals were the same or slightly
lower than K-Mart's.  The prenatals also were missing alot of the minerals
the over the counter ones had.

Next time for us anyway will be K-Mart look alikes, generic calcium with     
vitamin D and generic iron supplement.  

Eric Quackenbush
equacken@encore.com



 
Newsgroups: misc.kids