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From: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu (Gerald G. Marfoe)
Subject: Plans for Student Space Action?
Summary: Future activities of Student Space Action
Keywords: Letter-writing, Clinton administration, new Congress
Reply-To: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:34:29 GMT

In article 7NOV199214422578@iago.caltech.edu, irwin@iago.caltech.edu 
(Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth) writes:
> Dave,
> 	We appreciate your vote of support for us here, however, we are trying
> to downplay the involvement of "SEDS" in this campaign b/c of non-profit
> status concerns.  While indeed those students who participated were, by-and-
> large, SEDS members of one of our local chapters (not just Caltech, but also
> Occidental College, UCLA and Claremont Colleges), we would prefer to be called
> "Student Space Action" (sort of like the distinction between NSS and 
> Spacecause :-).  Just for the record, there were no funds allocated to SEDS
> that were used for the purpose of working on the campaign of Congressman
> Brown.  (Indeed, other than our own out-of-pocket expenses, there were no
> funds used by us...period :-).
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> Irwin Horowitz                        |
> Astronomy Department                  |"Whoever heard of a female astronomer?"
> California Institute of Technology    |--Charlene Sinclair, "Dinosaurs"
> irwin@iago.caltech.edu                |
> ih@deimos.caltech.edu                 |
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Irwin, does Student Space Action have any plans for letter-writing campaigns 
to continue to voice our concerns to the incoming administration (even though
it may fall on deaf ears), and to educate the newly elected Congresslings and
Senators? :-)

I realize that SEDS can't do any lobbying because of its non-profit status.

Gerald Marfoe
gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu

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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Launch Disasters
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:38:44 GMT

hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall) writes:

>Back during the period around the Challenger(?) disaster, there seemed to be an
>inordinate number of launch problems with other boosters. While it could be a
>result of intense press coverage, there was also intense pressure at the time
>from the Communist block to stop the SDI development. The whole problem of
>faulty launchers continued until one of the two US rocket (solid?) fuel plants
>suffered a major explosion. This was followed a few weeks later by a similar
>explosion in the USSR.

>If you put all this together, there would seem to be plenty of Ammo for the
>conspiracy folks to pick up on a secret battle between the US and USSR for
>military control of space.

I dunno.  The fact that lots of explosives exploded doesn't really make me 
think that it was a conspiracy.  Accidents _do_ happen and I think the causes of
the accidents were determined.  If the Soviets really wanted to cripple our
space capability they would have done a better job.

-- 
Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

"We can lick gravity, but the paperwork's a bit tougher."  Wernher von Braun
From: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu (Gerald George Marfoe)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Whoops! Sorry about the multiple postings
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:22:32 GMT
Reply-To: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

(Flame retardant suit on) Sorry about the multiple postings of the file on
Student Space Action.

My news server kept saying that the article had been ejected because of too
many '>'s, so I kept trying after deleting various parts of the original post.

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InterNet: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu    |... Suus cuique mos. Suum cuique.../
          ggmar@ducvax.auburn.edu   |Memento, terrigena./Memento, vita brevis."
          ggmar@hoshi.colorado.edu  |- "Afer Ventus", Enya, "Shepherd Moons"
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From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Re: Some House election results of interest
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:55:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.001546.4084@news.duc.auburn.edu> gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu  
(Gerald G. Marfoe) writes:

> MISSISSIPPI
> 
> District 1 - 100%
> 
> JAMIE WHITTEN (D)*         118,803           59%
> Clyde Whitaker (R)          81,522           41%
> 
> Whitten is the ailing Chairman of the House Appropriations committee or
> subcommittee. (Feel free to correct me about the details here.) He's the
> best friend of the ASRM (Advanced Solid Rocket Motor) in Congress. The
> Bush/Quayle administration wanted to kill the ASRM program this year, but
> the House/Senate conference gave it about $300 million anyway. The main
> ASRM plant is in Iuka, Mississippi, which is in Whitten's district. ASRM
> would be used to enable the Shuttle to lift more payload into orbit,
> reducing the number of trips needed to construct Space Station Freedom.

I thought Whitten was finally retiring!  Or did he just retire from the  
committee (Why would he do that though?)  I'm preety sure I had heard that he  
would not be affecting NASA again.

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From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Did Rep. George Brown (D-CA) get re-elected? (Was Upcoming Spa
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 06 Nov 92  08:05:40

George Brown was re-elected to Congress this week by a margin of 10%, about
10,000 votes. The space activist community was able to turn out about 20
volunteers for him during the last weekend of the campaign. CalTech SEDS, a
student group, generated  a handful of volunteers for the last ten weekends of 
the campaign.
 
Interestingly, George Brown actually campaigned on the space issue, pushing it 
hard in his promotional material. I guess it worked.
 
When I worked his precincts, I found several voters who supported George Brown 
because of his support for space.

--- Maximus 2.00
From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Launch Disasters
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 05 Nov 92  09:22:32

The possibility of the US attempting to exact revenge on the USSR by
destroying a "rocket fuel" plant in the USSR is diminished by the fact that
the majority of Soviet space payloads in 1986 were launched by rockets using
kerosene as fuel.

--- Maximus 2.00
From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh 'K' Hopkins)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Re: Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford TV Commercial
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:50:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wesley@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Wesley D Scott) writes:

>I saw a commercial with Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford advertising
>the National Space Foundation last weekend.  Does anyone have
>any more information?

I believe you mean the US Space Foundation.  They created some great commercials
(IMHO) a while back with donated time from some famous folks.  They include
one with Kareem Abdul Jabar (a really tall basketball player) paired with
Willie Shoemaker (?) who's a very short jockey.  There's also one with 
Charelton Heston and Gloria Steinem. He - "Space benfits all mankind." 
She - "He means everybody."  I believe they are available on tape. I'll try to 
track down the address.  
Where did you see the commercial?

-- 
Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

The only thing worse than writing a program that is constantly crashing on user
     errors is remembering that you're the only one who uses the program.
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From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Re: Did Rep. George Brown (D-CA) get re-elected? (Was Upcoming
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 07 Nov 92  09:24:20

I would like to confirm the role of the CalTech SEDS students in getting
George Brown re-elected: they turned out every Saturday for months for George 
Brown's campaign; they had much more of an impact on the race than the older
NSS members in the area who talked a good game, but really didn't contribute
as much (I was one of the NSS members who talked a good game, but only showed 
up twice for the campaign).

--- Maximus 2.00
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From: irwin@iago.caltech.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Re: Did Rep. George Brown (D-CA) get re-elected? (Was Upcoming Space Event)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:40 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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Summary: George Brown re-elected?
Keywords: George Brown, Congress
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In article <1992Nov5.201238.3149@news.duc.auburn.edu>, gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu writes...
>Did Congressman George Brown win re-election to the House, and in either
>case, what were the election results for this House race?
> 
Yes, he most certainly did!  He received about 53% of the vote while the
challenger, Dick Rutan, received about 44%.  The remaining votes went to 
third party candidates.

There were a significant number of space activists present last Saturday for
the Brown campaign (myself included).  Most notable was the presence of a
number of students from Caltech and Occidental College and UCLA, who were
working on the Brown campaign as part of a nascent group called "Student
Space Action."  This group specifically targeted the reelection of Congressman
Brown and has been actively campaigning for him over the past two months,
and a number of our members were present last Tuesday for the victory
celebration (but not me).
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Astronomy Department                  |"Whoever heard of a female astronomer?"
California Institute of Technology    |--Charlene Sinclair, "Dinosaurs"
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From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: That Wacky Israel line (Re: Those Wacky Iranians)
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:28:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.054021.11972@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>Seems Iran is going at it again... what do they think? If it worked
>in Sudan, it will work in Jordan? No way Hoze, not with Hussein.
>
>
>From today's Israel line:
>
...
>------------------------------------------------------------- 
Now it turned out that that key witness (who is a german citizen
with an iraqi origin) was lying.. He admitted that as soon as he
left Jordan claiming that he was forced to do that..
The Jordanian persecution (right spelling here) charged him
with obstruction of justice.. This of course after the Jordanian
members of Parlement who were being tried got 20 years
Jail sentences with hard labor (not subject to appeals).. 
I wonder why the Israel line did not inform you about this!
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Hezbollah
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:11:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov03.204929.2404698@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:

>You name it as you wish, the fact is: the land belongs to those that
>were thrown out by the strong German/polish/... invador in the 
>name of religion.

Are you talking about Holy-Moslem-Soil (tm) again?

>the Israeli terrorists bombed randomly at the civilians.  You are
>talking as if Sharon (israels defense min.) was not the mastermind 
>of the 10,000 death in the Sabra/Chatela Massacre.

10,000?  Even the Nazis would've been proud to have killed that many 
people in one place in 2-3 dyas without a whole death industry to back
them. 

>Try again, and next time 
>on less informed public.

Likewise, I am sure.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Another Missed Opportunity
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:19:57 GMT

>>The North African countries, Tunisia, Algeria, morocco. They were 
>>incapable of launching attacks against Germany, but they resisted 
>>their occupation. If you look at one of the chronicles of WWII, it 
>>will show you the Moroccans cheering the Britts when they liberated
>>their country from the Nazis. 
>>
>>Nabil
>
>
>If You remember, Nabil,  Israeli troops were cheered  by the lebanees villagers (with rice) in 1982... (So were Syrian troops later.)
>I think it is more an Arab tradition than a symbol of resistance to the former enemy or
>a symbol of support for the winning power.
>The only thing I know,that during WWII, the Jewish population of island Gerba (Jerba)
>near Algeria was speared of german extermination due to help from their Arab neighbours
>on that Island.
>So it is arrogant to generalize an Arab response to the Nazis as cooperation.
>It was different, depending on geografical location. 
>
>Henry.

Yes I remember, they were cheered by mostly christians and shiite villagers
and not because it is a tradition, but because they did not like the PLO.

Your statement implies that Arabs are hypocrits and I think this is 
an arrogant statement on your side. 

Any way, during WWII, most of the Arab countries were occupied by foreign
powers and they did not have any power to take a specific action against
any of the waring countries.

Nabil
From: kgivon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karen lee givon)
Subject: Re: Question in Arabic (was: Re: EGYPT: LET MY....)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:57:16 GMT

In article <4301@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Salam) writes:
>In article <43040@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
>>
>> The word "Kulthum" means cheeks. Little kids are described as "Mukaltham"
>> which means "has beautiful cheeks".
>
>:-)
>
>>: What do you say Yahia?
>> Well, i'm not Yahia, but i hope my answer is OK :-).
>
>Of course ... I didn't mean to exclude other contributers to the
>discussion.  Food for thought ya Ibaa.  :-)
> 
>Anisa
>	So, can we apply the meaning to Ms. Koukab Asharaq?  :-)
> 

I have an Arab friend standing here next to me as i type this and he
says:  Um Kulthum means one who has a ring through her nose.  This
signifying beauty.  So it does not actually mean she has a ring in her
nose, but that she is a thing of beauty.  Apparently, at one time, a
ring through one's nose was thought to be beautiful, (and still is to
many people) so Kulthum now would be taken to mean beauty. (not ring
through one's nose)

-Keren

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From: marwang@caip.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ACTION ALERT!! An Arab village is to be wiped out
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:52:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

>eyad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Eyad M. Alnuweiri) writes:


>>Danny, the issue here is that those Arabs of Israel (Palestinians) have been
>>living in Ramya for generations.

>I just asked an Israeli Arab about that, and he pointed out that,
>although he wasn't sure exactly how long those Arabs had been living
>in Ramya, they were Bedouins and therefore could not have been living
>there all that long.  His best estimate was maybe 30-40 years.  So
>much for "living in Ramya for generations."

Let me correct both of you ... Bedwins usually live in the deserts, 
and usually they do not have farming as their main buissiness. You
would rarely find bedwins in the fertile lands of north galleli, 
though you might probably find them in southern palestine like the
Negev desert (before the nuclear boms were installed there).
I think that there is some misunderstanding/forgering on either your
part or the one whom you told this story on behalf ... Please clarify.

DO NOT TRY TO TELL US THAT THE ARABS DID NOT LIVE THEIR FOR GENERATIONS.
THEY WERE THERE BEFORE THE EUROPEAN ZIONISTS CAME AND THAT IS A FACT.
STOP FALSIFYING VERY WELL KNOWN FACTS.

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From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Another Missed Opportunity
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:02:05 GMT

In article <1di9f9INNdgj@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:

# In article 18327@ennews.eas.asu.edu, makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >In article <1d9tttINNr8n@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
# # In article 743@ennews.eas.asu.edu, .. (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# ># >	This is slightly misleading, unless you meant the Stern gang instead
# ># >of the Irgun.  The Irgun stayed away (as much as they could) from the
# ># >British during World War II.  This was one of the differences between
# ># >the Irgun and the Stern gang.
 
# ># You are only correct up to 1944.  The Irgun "Revolt" against the British
# ># began considerably before the war ended.
 
# >	But not while the end of the war was in doubt.
 
# The "Revolt" was declared on 1 Feb 1944.  That was about four months 
# before D-day, and before the outcome of the war on the eastern front
# was clear.  I doubt if anyone will buy your argument.

	If someone is not going to "buy" the truth no matter what there is
not much that is going to be done about it.  Your smear of the widely
aclamed and accepted Myths and Facts (oh please repeat that ridiculous
line that they did not know where Deir Yassin was in relation to
events, almost anyone who has been on a program in Israel will just
laugh at you) is proof of that (I should note, before your worthless
attempt to jump on me, that this is not the case with From Time
Immemorial).

	Now, I do not care when something is declared.  I was referring to
when saomething was done about it.  You also seemed to have ignored the
parenthetical I inserted) And don't lecture me with stuff you read
about the Irgun.  I know more about them and their activities then will
probably ever be made public.  If that is not good for you, I couldn't
care less. 
--
"For all I care, you can send your money to the Hitler memorial fund, too, if
that pleases you."

From  arens@vaxa.isi.edu (Yigal Arens) in article <9323@venera.isi.edu>
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From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Answer to nabeel
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:17:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.065346.16196@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (Manu) writes:
>In article <Nov.10.20.49.02.1992.19520@caip.rutgers.edu> marwang@caip.rutgers.edu (Marwan Gharaybeh) writes:
>>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>
>>>It figures...
>>
>>good you can "figure"...
>>
>>>If you're an engineer, you should have heard of Harvey Mudd, one of
>>>the Claremont Colleges (along w/ Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Scripps,....
>>>feel free to jump in, Geoff).
>>
>>Ok ... Ok ... I just did not know how prestegeous it is to be in the mud.
>
>
>	How funny!  This is the first time that anyone has ever poked fun
>	of Mudd in Harvey Mudd.  Hahaha, hohoho. But hey, anywhere is 
>	better than Jersey,
 
Then you never heard about Mudd pies? :-)  

Anyway, Rutgers is in Joisey, not Jersey. :-)

-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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From: mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Gschwind)
Subject: Re: MEQ #15: Rabin on expulsion of Arabs, 1948.
Organization: Vienna University of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:51:58 GMT


Censored by the then Israeli government from the memoirs of Y. Rabin:
      "Great suffering was inflicted upon the men taking part in the
      eviction action.  Soldiers of the Yiftach brigade included youth-movement
      graduates, who had been inculcated with values such as international
      brotherhood and humaneness.  The eviction action went beyond the concepts
      they were used to.  

Poor Israeli Soldiers! Great suffering was inflicted upon THEM! And
who inflicted the suffering upon them? Of course, the evil
Palestinians who did not leave their homes, THEIR land voluntarily!
Gimme a break, or I'll throw up! - Did Rabin mean that seriously?

Michael




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