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From: mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re;BIG, ENORMOUS etc....
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:12:33 GMT

Talking of big clubs, what about Newcastle United? 30,000 crowds at home
for every league game, the gates closed before 2:30 and for the Portsmouth
game, upwards of 3000 locked outside. That puts the vast majority of the
"Premier League" to shame.

Oh yeah, they have now played 13 league and cup games this season and
haven't lost yet, and they've won 8 out of 8 in the League in case you
didn't know.

Wonder how many will be locked out for the Tranmere game a week Saturday???


Martin Phillipson
Faculty of Law
Victoria University of Wellington
Wellington
NEW ZEALAND

Telephone +64 4 472 1000 x 8284  OR
        	       	+64 4 471 5342 x 8284

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E-Mail (Internet) mphillip@matai.vuw.ac.nz
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Big twelve in Europe
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:56:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Sep29.164216.10566@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker) writes:

>In the newest Kicker-mag they printed a table of the all-time greatest
>teams in the European cups. It sorted the teams only for the points
>they achieved totally. I added a coeffecient (points div games) and
>a position for that and the conclusion is:
>FC Liverpool is the best club in Europe of all times - at least the best
>of the twelve teams that were in the Kicker. I would like to have the
>records of all the other clubs too, so that I can make a regular table.
>I would like to have all records for clubs that had at least 50 European
>cup appearances (especially for teams like Nottingham Forest, Manchester U.,
>AC Torino, Borussia Dortmund to tell you some that are supposed to have a
>good record).

I remember seeing a table like this ordered by the coefficient about
8-10 years ago and I think there were 6 British clubs in the top ten,
which was headed by, you guessed it, Spurs! Of course a lot of water
has flowed under the bridge since then but I'll work out what Spurs'
current points and co-efficient are to see if we still compare well to
the giants listed in your table. Does anyone have the GAME results from
Spurs run in EC2 last year? I know the TIE results but it's the GAME
results that are used to count the points (rather strangely, in my
view); Bruce?

I can also do the calculations for Barnet, if anyone's interested :-)))

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Re: Jan(n?) Jensen (was: Heinrik (?) Andersen)
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 01:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.164449.35475@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
>scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
>
> [stuff deleted].
>
>The names 'Glasgow Celtic', and 'Glasgow Rangers' identify the teams
>clearly, whereas if you call them just 'Rangers', there is space for
>misunderstanding, as, gasp, they are not the only Rangers around.

Precisely. The "Glasgow Rangers" are often confused with the
"New York Rangers" of the NHL; one can easily see why conf^H^H^H^H^H^H...
Whoops! Wrong sport! :-) :-)

:-) Marco...
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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:48:36 GMT
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In <1992Oct5.085256.3621@spider.co.uk> scottj@spider.co.uk writes:

> the linesman on the Govan Stand side was unreal. The ball appeared to be
> travelling out of play on far side but Davie Robertson was chasing it. The
> linesman signalled for a throw before the ball had gone over the line and
> before Robertson slid to keep it in!

Actually, I once did that in a very low-level game.  However (in my defense),
it was a 2-ref game, so my angle was not as good as what he should have had.
And I'm sure he was being paid more than 4 pounds for the job!!

> Premier League  (we were there first)
> --------------
>                  P  Pts
> Rangers          11 18
> Celtic           11 14
> Hertz            11 13
  ^^^^^
> Dundee Utd.      11 13
> Aiberdeen        11 12
> Hibs             11 12
> Partick Thistle  11 11
> St. Johnstone    11  9
> Dundee           11  9
> Airdrie          11  8
> Motherwell       11  7
> Falkirk          11  6

Hertz?  HERTZ??  Has there been a corporate sponsorship deal in the last
fortnight, or is that a cheap shot at the Edinburgh side?
Go HEARTS!

Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers//Leeds
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:09:16 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


	Well, the Mason's money is on Leeds to overcome Stuttgart in the 
3rd game and set up a meeting which will see Rangers crowned as 
Champions of Britain at last and hopefully shut up the EBC. Can't wait 
to see Steve  Ryder's face !!

Should be some game, and hopefully we'll see Fergie put Batty in his 
place, Durrant run rings round Grandpa Strachan, Hateley and SAlly 
take the pish out of Fairclough and Whyte, and Gough and Bomber put
Cantona and Chapman in their back pockets. Only problem is I'll be stuck
in this heathen country (US of A) unless I get deported cos of the Boston 
Incident..................

Leeds fans please take note that the pubs are open till midnight (allday/
everyday), don't serve those pishy beers, sell 1/4 gills, kebab shops/
4-in-1's/boiled hamburger and salmonella  stalls are all open very late 
and finally, the polis don't take too kindly to neds......Have a nice
day, anyway. Care to elaborate Dan ?  You are a bit of a tourist information
specialist.

-- 
Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde               "Just where is Leeds ?"
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re: 3rd game Leeds - Stuttgart
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 12:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.132634@uni-paderborn.de>, laetta@uni-paderborn.de (Udo
Koerber) writes:
> 
>  - place (neutral, i think) and date will be announced after that.
> 
Current favourite is Rotterdam on Saturday. If this is the case, Andy Roxburgh
(the Scotland manager) is threatening to invoke the Fifa rule regarding the
release of international players, in order to save Gary McAllister for the
world cup qualifier on 14th October. England's David batty and Tony Dorigo and
Wales's (hah!) Gary Speed may also be affetcted. 

Chris
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UNIVISION: Boring!!
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:22:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep30.190055.19687@ncar.ucar.edu> newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.165814.158@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...) writes:
>|> 
>|> What the heck is wrong with UNIVISION?
>|> They, again, showed one of the most boring games I've ever seen!
>|> Even the commentators seemed to be bored to death!
>|> Is it that they can't afford to broadcast "European" (Spanish or Italian)
>|> games or what?!?
>|>
>Which game are you referring to ?
>Anyway, I agree totally that some of their games have been boring,
>but they do show a lot of Spanish and Italian league games.
>You seem to insinuate that only "European" games are interesting;
>I've seen many boring european games, and many exiting South American
>games. They just need to pick the best possible matches from wherever.
>
Trouble is, for the past three weeks or so Univision has shown exclusively
Mexican League games, sporting soccer giants such as Necaxa and UNAM....

Cheers!








-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Actual team names
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:35:19 GMT
	<9209301102.AA23515@pippin.cs.umu.se>
	<1992Sep30.163844.7388@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "John" == J. Rodriguez (ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu)

John> I agree with Scott, though, because all different countries
John> write different things for Marseille, like Marseilles,
John> Marsiglia, Marsella, etc.  Too much!

In most languages, country and to some extent town names are
"translated". The English call Danmark Denmark, we call Espana Spanien
while the Americans call it Spain. K/obenhavn is called Copenhagen or
Kopenhagen and other funny things. The list goes on.

All this is perfectly natural and in no way "too much". This is an
international network. Relax.

/Lars
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo Bootsma)
Subject: CSFR round 7
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:17:03 GMT

banik ostrava         -slovan bratislava     1-0                                
fc boby brno          -dynamo ceske budej.   1-0                                
bohemians praha       -spartak hradec kr.    0-3                                
dunajska streda       -dukla praha           3-1                                
inter bratislava      -sparta praha          1-0                                
sigma olomouc         -nitra                 3-0                                
slavia praha          -tatran presov         1-1                                
spartak trnava        -tj vitkovice          0-2                                

  1.slovan bratislava        7   6   0   1  12   19-   4   15                   
  2.dunajska streda          7   5   1   1  11   17-   8    9                   
  3.sparta praha             7   5   0   2  10   12-   5    7                   
  4.sigma olomouc            7   5   0   2  10   12-   8    4                   
  5.slavia praha             7   3   3   1   9   14-  10    4                   
  6.fc boby brno             7   4   1   2   9   12-  13   -1                   
  7.inter bratislava         7   4   0   3   8   18-  11    7                   
  8.banik ostrava            7   3   2   2   8   11-  10    1                   
  9.spartak hradec kr.       7   3   1   3   7    9-   7    2                   
 10.tj vitkovice             7   2   2   3   6    6-   8   -2                   
 11.bohemians praha          7   1   3   3   5    5-  13   -8                   
 12.nitra                    7   0   4   3   4    3-   9   -6                   
 13.tatran presov            7   1   2   4   4    7-  14   -7                   
 14.dukla praha              7   1   2   4   4   11-  21   -10                  
 15.spartak trnava           7   0   3   4   3    8-  16   -8                   
 16.dynamo ceske budej.      7   1   0   6   2    2-   9   -7 

timo
From: MACKINON@BROWNVM.brown.edu (Sandy Mackinnon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Scottish Euro Results
Date: 30 Sep 1992 15:56:49 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


European Cup  -- Lyngby 0  Rangers 1  Rangers go through 3-0 overall

ECWC          -- Sparta Prague 2 Airdrie1  Sparta go through 2-2  away goals

UEFA Cup.     -- Celtic 3 Cologne 0 Celtic go thro' 3-2 overall.
              -- hearts 4  Slavia Prague  2  Hearts go thro' 4-3 overall
              -- Anderlecht 1 Hibs 1 Anderlecht go thro' 3-3  away goals rule


SO well done Gerry, you can have the freedom of the net for a week. Can
we expect to see you back permanently now ??

Sandy Mackinnon
Usually at Strathclyde
But at Brown University for a Wee While
From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:34:00 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <FISCHER.92Oct6054025@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes...
{ 
{>>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher S. Allen (CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu)
{ 
{Christopher> Having seen how the US sports press can create "instant"
{Christopher> stars (witness Greg Lamond in bicycle racing), it may be
{Christopher> possible to get a boost for US soccer, but there needs to
{Christopher> be a "critical mass" of a story first.  Perhaps Wynalda
{Christopher> is the vehicle for this?
{ 
{Ah, yes, the Bobby Fischer effect. The sure was a story in Lemond --
{one of the very best in many years. Wynalda is looking good, but
{nowhere as spectacular as Fischer or Lemond. Actually, due to the
{nature of the game, no football player really can be.
{ 
{/Lars
{--
{Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
{CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin


The media frenzy concerning Maradona has already had a pronounced effect out
here.  This is a football wasteland, but the newspaper has come to the 
grips with the fact that there is a very large multinational population
here.  Last week there was an article on a local hispanic football league
on the front page of the sports section.  Today they gave an update in the 
"scoreboard" section of all the recent games and standings for South America
and Central America.  Not bad considering that Salt Lake even had a PSL
franchise (SL Sting) for two years and never received coverage in the paper.

Discussion on the net has focused on calling the TV giants.  We may want to
consider starting at the local level and simply get the scores posted.  I
have to buy the NY Times if I really want any coverage.

-Eric
ewstroup@cc.utah.edu
From: mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Newcastle United Win Again!!!(Plus Trivia Question)
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:32:21 GMT

On Saturday Newcastle United won away at Peterborough with Kevin Sheedy
scoring the only goal. Newcastle still haven't lost in any competition all
season and in the League their record remains perfect--8 games played, 8
games won.

They will attempt to make it 9 out of 9 away to Brentford next Saturday.

Any trivia buffs out there know what the longest perfect start to a League
Season in England is and by whom (It must be a lot bigger than this)????
Martin Phillipson
Faculty of Law
Victoria University
PO Box 600
Wellington NZ
tel +64 -4- 472-1000 x 8284     	or +64-4-471-5342 x 8284
fax +64 -4- 495-5236

email address   mphillip@matai.vuw.ac.nz
From: afwcp@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cup Qualifying Results
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:54:55 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

In article <1992Sep28.174613.21222@wam.umd.edu>, waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach) writes:
> 
> p.s. if someone has the rest of the teams for G1 & G2, please post. Thanks.
> 

Concacaf 
	Group One:

	Mexico
	Honduras
	St. Vincent
	Costa Rica

        Group Two:

	Canada
	Bermuda
	El Salvador
	Jamacia

BTW: Does anyone have the dates of the matches in the Asian Groups??

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From: cg135@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dr. Daevid Carron)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Alan Hansen's testimonial
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:59:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Another question for today. Am I correct in saying that Chris
Waddle both played and scored for an England X1 v Liverpool, the
match being Alan Hansen's testimonial? I think the score was 3-2
to Liverpool.
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From: michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: French clubs in Europe
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:49:14 GMT

In article <9210021124.AA29580@pippin.cs.umu.se> dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:

>    Cup Winners' Cup; First round, second leg, the 30th of September 1992:
>
>         AS Monaco           0         Miedz Legnica       0 :-) :-)
>         Att.: 5000
>              (MONACO advance 1-0 on aggregate)
>         Not many fans at Louis-II and the ones who turned up have probably
>         wished they didn't. Nothing really happened, a very poor display
>         by Monaco, failing to score against a Polish second division team.
>         Michal, you were definitely wrong, here!

What was I wrong about?  If Monaco had to win 5:0, it would.  But 0:0
was fairly enough to outplay Miedz on aggregate, so why to tire oneself
without any purpose?  Do you believe that Polish second division is so
strong that a top French team couldn't do better?

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From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re: WHERE are the Mighty Reds??
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 09:50:55 GMT

In article <19vb2eINNivd@gap.caltech.edu>, christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos
S. Christoforou) writes:
 
> Why are so many people ``concerned'' about Liverpool's form of late?
> No one will deny that the team, for whatever reason, is not doing
> as well as in the past. However, why do
> people express such joy (for lack of a better word) for
> Liverpool's recent results?
> 
> 
Revenge, jealousy and allied emotions. For years Liverpool beat the shit out
of all comers; getting a home draw against them was a good result. Now they're
as ordinary as any other team in the Premier League; getting a draw at Anfield
is now 2 points dropped. 

According to the Independent (or maybe the Guardian, I forget), the famous
sign in the Liverpool tunnel "This is Anfield", has had "So What" appended to
it.

Chris
From: fh11@sol.acs.unt.edu (Brozovic Douglas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Official: Maradona to Sevilla
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:06:23 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

Does anyone have a list of a projected first team for Sevilla now that
Maradona joins them?  How many (+ names) non-spanish players were on
their books before?

Cheers
Doug
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Subject: Stuttgart flunks (Was: Re: German clubs in Europe)
Organization: ISA GmbH, W-7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:54:02 GMT

Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker) writes:
>Leeds United - VfB Stuttgart    4:1  (First game 0:3, agg 4:4, Stuttgart
>				      in 2nd round due to away goal)

There is a chance here that Leeds will advance anyway, since Stuttgart
had four foreign players on the field for the final ten minutes of the
second game.  Under UEFA rules, three are allowed.  Stuttgart's
president Meyer-Vorfelder had the good reaction of reporting this
error to the UEFA himself.  The verdict is due today.  It was reported
that in the best of cases there might be a third game on neutral
ground; alternatively, Stuttgart might be excluded from competition.

This affair was rather stupidly brought about by Stuttgart, I think.
Manager Hoeness made a meek attempt at an apology, claiming that this
new (is it new?) rule about three foreigners had not been propagated
very well by UEFA.  Sheesh.

Christian
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Any opinions expressed are mine, and mine only! Thought for today:
How many hairs does it take to lick an elephant?  Two - one to bore the
strawberry, and one to skate.
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 11:16:37 CET
From: <STESMITH@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds - Stuggart ; UEFA decision !!


So once again UEFA come up with a 'non-decision'. In their infinite
wisdom, the Leeds-Stuggart 2nd leg now becomes a 3-0 win for Leeds.
Why ?  Why not 4-0, 8-0 or even 2-0 :-)  What if Stuggart had won
the first leg 7-0. Would they have then ruled a 7-0 win to Leeds ?

The decision for me was straight-forward - Stuggart broke the rules
of the competition, therfore they should be disqualified. UEFA
however, decide to change the rules ! Why can't they at least be
consistent with some of their decisions ? In previous years, teams
have been disqualified (and not allowed to enter) due to the mindless
stupidty of a number of thugs/idiots. The teams (players, coaches,
managers and real supporters) have had to suffer because of a minority
who broke the 'rules' (rules here is a rather general term - they
broke the 'socially acceptable' rules of the competition).

Now we've all heard the excuse - 'mistake in the heat of the moment'.
IMO that's just tough luck (and irrelevant). These are professionals
we are talking about. They win/lose by their decisions. I know this
all sounds fairly harsh on Stuggart (and some will probably cite
English bias as a reason) but they knew the rules of the competition
beforehand. Why did they have 4 'foreign players' in their squad in
the first place ? Is a team allowed 4 'foreign players' in the squad
and then only use 3 ??

I just hope justice is done and Leeds win the 3rd leg !!

PS. I'm not a Leeds supporter.

- Steve -
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From: crane@coral.bucknell.edu (The Whooping Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,misc.wanted
Subject: Want old/used Adidas Samba Classics
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:41:29 -0400
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu

Hi. I am looking for a pair of Adidas Sambas or Samba Classics. 
Does anyone have a pair of size 11 or 11.5 that they want to get rid of???
They can be old and used.  I want the older type that has the Adidas
logo and the word Adidas on the tongue.  Let me know.

reply to:  crane@coral.bucknell.edu

Curt
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