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Original-From: alux1!rdsunb!krd (K. R. Dietzel)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:46:13 EST
Reply-To:     rdsunb!krd@ALUX1.ATT.COM
From:         rdsunb!krd@ALUX1.ATT.COM
Subject:      States and Counties and Townships, Oh My!

Fellow Rooters,

I have been rooting up information on states, counties and smaller political
divisions lately and it occurred to me that others on the net might find it
as useful as I have. What I did was to get a federal list of the states
and other US possessions along with their counties or next smaller division
and type it into a file. It seemed like a small job when I started (as all
quick projects seem) but ended up becoming a database of about 3300 lines
of data (58K bytes) and is still growing. It is in a straight text form
with each line containing all of the identifying information for that piece
of data. For example, if you use the DOS "find" command or the UNIX "grep"
command to search the file for "Stark", you will get 4 lines printed out.
They are :
     Illinois:Stark
     Indiana:Starke
     North Dakota:Stark
     Ohio:Stark
This would show you that there are 3 states with a county named "Stark" and
one state with a county named "Starke". Note that each line tells you the
county and the state. The big advantage of the text form, of course, is that
it can be put on almost any computer and used without modification.

I have an instruction file which explains the database and searching in
detail for DOS and UNIX operating systems. When I get some time (or if some
kind soul helps me), I will add the MacIntosh to it also. The instruction
file also includes a listing of counties which are unique or interesting
counties such as:
    Storey in Nevada; Story in Iowa.
    Vermillion in Indiana; Vermilion in Louisiana and Illinois.
    Washington in 31 states but not in the state of Washington.

Right now I am adding townships and boroughs to the database as I find them.
If you have this data handy, I would appreciate getting a copy of it. I have
added the counties which I use the most often but that still leaves about
three thousand that I missed. (:^) I am also adding historical notes
when possible to show when the county (or whatever) was organized. Please
send me what you have and I will include it. Please double check the
spelling too!

Both the data file and the instruction file are available now but I would
like to put them in a common place for everyone if possible. I guess
a anonymous ftp site would be best. Do we still have the hallc1.cebaf.gov
one available yet? I haven't used it for at least 9 months or more. If
you don't have access to the site then I can email it to you but I would like
to reduce the amount of emailing to a minimum.

P.S. I would like to include Canadian information also! I need a good
source for it. hint, hint.

Thanks, Bob
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:35:49 -0600
Reply-To:     Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Organization: CompSofTech, POB 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937
Subject: GENEALOG, New file: arbrisle
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I have just uploaded the following GENEALOG file:

  GENEALOG arbrisle  Administrative Regions of the British Isles

Size of file:  16916 bytes

This new - file is available now.    See end of this message for
a description of the file.

GENEALOG is an area on the LISTSERV computer which is used for storage
of many, many textual files which pertain to genealogy.

You may request a listing of the file be mailed to you by simply
sending the following line to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only
text of a message.

/files roots-L

It normally only takes about ten minutes for the LISTSERV computer to
reply, sending you a message with the entire listing of files.

(Please note, there is NO SPACE between the slash and the word files)

You may pick & choose the filenames of interest and to request
a file just simply send the following line back
to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu as the only text of a message.

GET GENEALOG filename

   (please replace the "filename" with the filename of interest)


>> GENEALOG File:  arbrisle
>>
>> From prl.phil.co.uk!lloyd Mon Jan 11 08:15:37 1993
>> From: Phil Lloyd <lloyd@prl.phil.co.uk>
>> Subject: counties file for genealog

Administrative Regions of the British Isles
===========================================

The tables below provide basic information about the major administrative
regions of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and the Republic
of Ireland.

Information is listed for each country, in the form of tables.  I have
included:

    Full name of region.
    A recognised abbreviation of the full name.
    The "Chapman County Code" (CCC for short).
    The administrative centre of the modern region.
    Notes, shown as (1) etc.  Further information will then be found at
    the end of the tables for that country.

Thanks to Phil for this file.

  cliff

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From: malcolm@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: DeskJet refills / Skrip ink
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:01:47 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

"Skrip" - k, no t - is the brand name for SHEAFFER inks. They seem to be
dropping the Skrip name, it now only appears on the bottle cap, not on any of
the packaging. Nothing to do with inkjet refills! - they happen to make the
only brown ink I like the colour of.

Happy New Year,
	Malcolm.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:18:32 EST
Reply-To:     Fred Romelfanger <fred@STSCI.EDU>
From:         Fred Romelfanger <fred@STSCI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: National Genealogical Society and Internet
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I had been thinking about this subject recently and was curious what you all
think.  What about a server on the internet which provides access to something
like IGI CDs and other related data?  I suspect the real problem would be
funing for the initial hardware and manpower and convincing someone that there
was enough people that would use such a service to justify the cost.  My vision
would be something like a workstation with a large amount of disk space to
act as a cache for a CDROM jukebox.  You would need something similiar to
listserv to make the service available to as many people as possible via email
along with some kind of online browse capability.  The real problem is how do
you handle requests that can generate megabytes worth of data and how to
schedule the requests to provide the best response time to all.  Unfortunately
it sounds like a specialized database server.

                                   Fred Romelfanger
                                   Space Telescope Science Institute
                                   fred@stsci.edu
From: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: WRIGHT
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:22:12 GMT
Reply-To: tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com (Paul Wright)
Organization: Chevron CEPS


 I am interested in hearing from anyone researching the family name of WRIGHT 
in the state of Indiana, more specifically in or around Edinburgh, Indiana. 
Period is 1840-1880.

Paul Wright
tpgwr@sru002.chvpkh.chevron.com
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From: rikv@rikv.mentorg.com (Rik Vigeland)
Subject: Re: Charlemagne
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 16:50:40 GMT
Organization: mentor
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Most people are probably descended from Charlemagne innumerable times.  My
connection(s), so far, are through just one ancestor in the early 1500's,
who I show descended from Charlemage over 150 diferrent ways.  More precisely
the ancestor is descend several times from people who were then, in turn
descended from Charlemagne several times, so it multiplies rapidly.

SO far, I have only been able to trace one line back into England, and thus
royalty, but I have dozens of immigrant ancestors to New England in the
1600's, so guess how many English ancestors I must have in the 1500's!

It's a wonder we're not all genetically IDENTICAL to Charlemagne :)

Rik Vigeland

Internet: rikv@mentorg.com
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Searching: LYTLE, BULLA, CLAYTON, PEYTON, SWANEY, WALDEN, LAUGHLIN
           BENBOW, DONALDSON, CLUTE, MARTIN, BRIGGS, HOLLAR, LANCASTER
           REAMS, ROWE, MANNING, BURROUGHS/BORROWS, WILLIAMS, MCMATH
           HENSON, RIGGS, DODSON, MOORE, and more.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:02:00 EST
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From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Ft. Wayne Library dial in access
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.NoDak.edu

On January 4, 1993, "Steiner@muppet.Dnet.Ge.Com" provided us with a
message originally from CompuServe's Genealogy Forum telling us how to
access the tremendous genealogy holdings at the Allen County Public
Library in Ft. Wayne, IN (probably the best genealogy library west
of Main and east of the Rocky Mountains).  The telephone number was
given as 219-424-1330.  I have tried numerous times, have usually
been accepted at the Ft. Wayne Library, but the screen responses have
not been easily interpreted.  I have used the settings that were
described and varied several of the settings (original was VT-100,
1200Bps, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, No Parity, and have a delete or
backspace key).  BUT STILL NO Ability for interactive communication
between my home computer and Ft. Wayne's Computer.  Have any of the
netters either had problems or have had great success with this
connection?  If anybody has had success, please share with the net
the correct settings, etc.  We MUST be able to access the holdings
at Ft. Wayne!!!
--Jim Freed, Delaware, OH--   jmfreed@cc.owu.edu
From: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Czech and Slovak genealogy
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:04:24 GMT
Reply-To: rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox)
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For those interested in Czech and Slovak genealogy, the following 
society has been of some interest to me: 

	The Czechoslovak Genealogical Society
	P.O. Box 16225
	St. Paul, MN 55116

Membership offers you welcome packet, society newsletter, workshops, 
sharing of information, research materials, research techniques, 
research library, genealogy handouts. 

The group is for people interested in researching Bohemian, Moravian, 
Silesian, Rusin, Slovakian, German, Ruthenian, and Jewish ancestors 
who lived in the areas which once were a part of Czechoslovakia. 

One year individual membership $10.00, one year family membership $15.00,
one year sponsorship $25.00.  

A good book on the subject of Czechoslovak Genealogy is "Czechoslovakia, 
A Handbook of Genealogical Research" by Daniel M. Schlyter.  

Duncan Gardiner is a great lecturer on the subject of Czech and Slovak 
genealogy.  I have listened to several of his taped lectures and found
them very well presented and informative. 

Another book of interest to those of Czech descent is Leo Baca's book 
of Czech passenger arrivals.  These include anyone who immigrated to 
the United States and listed Bohemia or Moravia as their place of 
origin, so even ethnic Germans and others from these areas are included.
Unfortunately, Slovaks, being "Hungarian" are not. 

					-- Robert Cox 
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From: "Paul Purdom" <pwp@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Pasadena CA 1930
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:54:15 -0500

Does anyone have an easy way to find Mrs. Nevada Baxter Culpepper who lived
in Pasadena California at 553 Vermont St. in the year 1930? She was probably
about 50 at the time. Her father (John M. Baxter) was in Wayne Co. Ga. at
the time of his wedding in 1872.

If you can locate this person, I would like to know her husband's name and the
names of any children. I am not use to track such recent people, but I guess
a city directory would be useful if someone knows where to find one.
From: jshuman@koko.csustan.edu (Jeremy Shuman)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: BK
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:35:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

Am I correct in understanding that Brother's Keeper is only available for the 
IBM machines? It sounds like a good program, but since I use a Mac (Yeah!! :) )
I don't want a program for the IB somethingorother format.:)
TIA for the help.
.
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: IGI (Re: another question)
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:51:42 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan4.180910.27321@compu.com> fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:
>DEIS@ZODIAC.BITNET writes:

>This brings up an interesting situation in so many German marriages.  Folks
>typically get married twice in Germany, even now.  Once in Church to make it
>legal with God and one in a civil service (Standesamt) to make it legal
>legally.  Apparently the church marriage doesn't count in Germany.

>How do you folks record these events which are often months or years apart?

How do you record them if they are countries apart?

My wife (then French) and I (U.S.) were married in a civil wedding in
London and then 3 days later in Church in France. (Civil weddings for
foreigners in France, particularly non-residents invoke a lot of paper,
and I was living in London... -- you also needed a certificate of morality
from your consierge...)

In genealogy... the world is never simple.

Tom
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:40:25 EST
Reply-To:     Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Message for Chris Gardner

Please send me a note. My mail to you keeps bouncing. (Apologies to
the rest of the list.

Joe Gardner
jgardner@ukcc.uky.edu
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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Searching in Indian Territory
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:06:14 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <2B49E861@ssd0.laafb.af.mil> KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>Thanks for the info on Indian Territory.  Do you know if every white settler
>in I.T. at the time was an "adopted white"?

You are describing paragraph 7 of the Treaty of Fort Scott, signed on
14 Sept 1865: "No white persons except government employees or officers or
employees of internal improvement companies authorized by the government
will be permitted to reside among the Indians unless adapted by the
several nations."

This gives the official exceptions. But I am sure that there were many
more.

Hope this helps..

Tom

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:39:32 EDT
Reply-To:     Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
From:         Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Language peculiarities
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>From:         Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
>Subject:      Language peculiarities
>  A recent posting mentioned English lacking many terms to describe
>relationships, terms that may exist in other languages. I believe
>the example was that we have no name for a sister-in-law's brother--
>or something like that.
>
>  It's always struck me as curious that we have the term "namesake"
>but no reciprocal word. As the 3rd Joseph Hogue Gardner, I am
>my uncle's namesake, and he his grandfather's namesake. But we
>have no word for what my uncle is to me or what my g'grandfather
>was to him. Namegiver? But that implies he did the actually
>naming. Namesource? Sounds awkward to me.
>
>  Far as I know, neither French nor Latin, the only other languages
>I have any acquaintance with has such a word. Is there any tongue
>that does?

Yes, English (I think). :-)  Your uncle is your "eponym."  Quoting from
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary:

    eponym - 1. the person for whom something is or is believed to be
    named.

The word is commonly used in refering to the tribes of the Israelites
and other groups mentioned in Genesis and other books of the Old
Testament.  Thus, Judah, son of Jacob, is the eponym of the tribe of
Judah.  I have never heard it used in the sense you inquire about, but
it seems from its first definition that, "something" could be a "person"
and so it could be used that way.  What do you think?

Bob Oliphant
oliphant@bbn.com

**Researching OLIPHANT, DAVIDSON, STRANAGHAN, HORTON, MAY, MILLER**
****GEIST, ROHRBACH, ALLEN, PORTER, BEARDSLEY, CANTLEY, CROSLEY****
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:36:49 EDT
Reply-To:     Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
From:         Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
Subject:      Historical Society of Northwestern Ohio
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Is there a kind soul in the Toledo, Ohio, vicinity who could send me the
address and phone number for the Historical Society of Northwestern
Ohio, which I believe is in or near Toledo?  Is there an even kinder
soul who goes there and could check their catalog to see if they have
anything on the Stranahan family?

Thanks for your help.

Bob Oliphant
oliphant@bbn.com

**Researching OLIPHANT, DAVIDSON, STRANAGHAN, HORTON, MAY, MILLER**
****GEIST, ROHRBACH, ALLEN, PORTER, BEARDSLEY, CANTLEY, CROSLEY****
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:32:59 -0500
Reply-To:     Maggie O'Sullivan <maggie@AH3.CAL.MSU.EDU>
From:         Maggie O'Sullivan <maggie@AH3.CAL.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Tiny Tafels
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.edu

What is a "tiny tafel?"


Maggie O'Sullivan
maggie@ah3.cal.msu.edu
Center for Integrative Studies in Arts and Humanities
Michigan State University
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Subject: U.S. Federal Census forms
From: dkortenk@UWSPMAIL.UWSP.EDU
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:39:45 -0600
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        Does anyone know of a genealogy reference book that has blank Federal
Census forms with headings for the various Census years?   These could be
photocopied and used to record information while looking through the Census
microfilms.


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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:55:49 GMT
Reply-To:     Phil Lloyd <lloyd@PRL.PHILIPS.CO.UK>
From:         Phil Lloyd <lloyd@PRL.PHILIPS.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: England Q: recording shire names
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Maybe I can offer some comments on Brian Madsen's question about English
counties.

The "shire" suffix should NOT be thought of as expendable in English
county names.  If someone refers to "Lincoln", then it is the city they
would be referring to, not the county.  I think things may have been
different in the past, and there is then a confusion over what was meant.

If you remove the "shire" from some county names, you will get nonsense
(for instance, "Lancashire", whose county town is Lancaster).

The word "shire" on its own is little used these days.  It is almost
synonymous with "county", but there are some shires (e.g. Richmondshire)
which are not counties!  If you come across the term "The Shires", then
this is a reference to a collection of counties in the Midlands reputedly
good for hunting.

Incidentally, the word "sheriff" derives from an Old English word meaning
"shire reeve", i.e. county official (loosely).

Well, I hope this helps, and keep those "shires" in there!

Phil Lloyd
lloyd@prl.philips.co.uk
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In article <9301032342.AA20631@buitc.bu.edu> Carol Botteron
<botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU> writes:
> an article in the NEHGS Nexus, Oct-Nov 1992:
>"Mitochondrial DNA: A Genetic and Genealogical Study" by Thomas H.
>Roderick, Mary-Claire King, and Robert Charles Anderson.

>After some interesting background, it announces a study of matrilineal
>lines (mother's mother's mother, etc.).  They are looking for
>genealogists with matrilineal lines of at least eight generations,
>preferably ten or more, with dates, places, spouses, and
>documentation.  They would also like (if possible) names and addresses
>of close relatives with the same matrilineal ancestry.  They hope to
>get blood samples from participants for DNA analysis.

>For more information, see the Nexus or write to:
>T. H. Roderick, Ph.D., Center for Human Genetics, Municipal Bldg.,
>P.O. Box 770, Bar Harbor, ME 04609.

>I wish I could participate, but I have only six matrilineal
>generations (including myself), and the earliest was a Smith in
>Virginia.  Does anyone here have long lines you'd like to show us?

I have seven; if anyone can help me find Margaret MCCRAVEY's mother,
I'll have the requisite eight [I can get about 15 in some other
lines].

Kathleen MUCH (b. 1942 Houston, TX), daughter of Ortrud Virginia
LEFEVRE (b. 1917, Houston, TX), daughter of Carrie Elizabeth BEAUMAN
(b. 1893, Rockport, TX), daughter of Kittie WOODRUFF (b. 1867, Winston
Co., MS), daughter of Elizabeth Emiline LEATHERWOOD (b. 1834 or 1835,
AL or MS), daughter of Delilah WOODRUFF (b. 1802, Spartanburg Co.,
SC), daughter of Margaret MCCRAVEY and Josiah WOODRUFF (dates and
places unknown; possibly NC).
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Reply-To:     Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TX and MO
Comments: To: Sharon L Palmateer <ASDSLP@albnyvm1.bitnet>
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Sharon, my mother lives in Belton...I need to call her today anyway, so
I'll get the address for you.  BTW, what was your grandfather's name?
Nancy Harwood
harwood@tenet.edu
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