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From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: rumors, etc...
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:25:10 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Woops!  Left off Doug's response from my earlier posting.  Darn it.

>In article <1992Apr15.123507.8819@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> dougg@fnma.com writes:
>Gail Edwards writes...
>
>|Hey, I understand it's rumored Bob's been chosen to play the Sea Lion, as
>|that part has no lyrics, just seal sounds, and Bob makes really good seal
>|sounds.  However, his contract contains a contingency clause stating he must
>
>Bob-bashing is not allowed on this net! Only "Bob is a Rock n Roll God" will
>be permitted.  I speak for nobody when I say this, so listen up good ;)

What-me?  Who when asked to identify Bob by her little niece at this past
Atlanta show reportedly replied, "That's Bob.  All the girls love him 'cuz
he's so cute, and all the boys make fun of him 'cuz they're so jealous."
Who in the privacy of her own home has herself been known to practice
making seal noises and balancing a beach ball on the tip of her nose.
But for God's sake, don't go spreading that around.  No one takes me
seriously as it is!  (Hey, do ya think Kesey could use some extras?)  ;-)

Gail
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From: mep43562@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael E Powers)
Subject: Re: Tour dates, confirmed and RUMOURED
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:24:08 GMT

Should I be scared?????How is there a confirmed on-sale date for TM for
Soldier Field and no MO announced here yet.  We didn't collectively miss it,
did we?  Could we have?
Just a little paranoid,

-- 
Mike Powers
University of Illinois
mep43562@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
				...you know it's gonna get stranger...
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From: richard farrar <adac!wizard!farrar@uunet.uu.net>
Subject: King Crimson (cont.)
Reply-To: adac!wizard!farrar@uunet.uu.net
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:12:50 GMT

Some of the more interesting Crimson is to be found on Starless and Bible Black,
which essentially is a live album.  All cuts except for two (and half of
The Night Watch) were recorded live.  Especially Dead-ish are the four
improvs, which range from the amusing (We'll Let You Know) to the
beautiful (Trio) to the scary (The Mincer, the title track).  Also interesting
is Fracture, which is a great example of Fripp's song architecture.

Rich
From: JHE103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: searching buffalo '86 dylndeadpetty
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:35:24 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

i'm looking for this show...  any help is greatly appreciated..  reply
e-mail thanks jason entner
From: iaorahp@prism.gatech.EDU (Hankins Parichabutr (Oracle))
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: may dates at shoreline...
Keywords: shoreline
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:38:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hiya,

What are the May tour dates at Shoreline?

Hankinz
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From: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Subject: Why Taping is being restricted...
Reply-To: andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:54:07 GMT


	To "Woody":  Here are some of my thought s why taping is being 
reatricted at shows.  First of all, as a veteran of the early 80's shows,
we witnessed the explosion of the "My boom is taller than your boom" syndrome.
Fanatic tapers felt it necessary to bring bigger and bigger mic boom stands
into the venues which to some people actually created sight line problems.
These booms were everywhere.  In an effort to bring a measure of control to
the archaic situation, the taping section was started and a limit on boom
height was inacted.  The next opinions I'm about to express, require me to
put my asbestos flame suit on.  There, now I feel better.  Its my firm belief
that further restrictions on taping with the eventual elimination of taping
"rights" will happen on way or another.  Here's why:  The Dead's touring
schedule will be substantially reduced soon enough.  The Dead's CORPORATION'S
profits need to be maintained one way or another.  IF there are less shows
to bring in the profits, then recordings seem like an obvious source of revenue.If you've got good tapes of the shows for free, why would you buy them.
Get my point?
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From: Kent Stewart <kstewart@td2cad.intel.com>
Subject: welcome! give us the handshake!
Reply-To: kstewart@td2cad.intel.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:15:35 GMT



| P.S>   yes, I am new to this FAQ.


Welcome! I'm pretty new to this WALSTIB myself, but I think
I'm starting to get the hang of it. {8^)


--bongo (NSICBI!ITIWGTD!)
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From: redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc)
Subject: Re: mail order
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:04:55 GMT

In article <2706@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.194836.22831@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc) writes:
>>I have never mail ordered before, and it seems from the posts in this
>
>	Try 415-457-8457 ...
>								wr

I have called several times, but I don't remember hearing about some of the
stuff I asked about in my post.
From: minich@bucknell.edu (matthew minich `93)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: sighting question
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:58:32 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Apr9.014629.2781@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:

> are all the posts regarding 'sightings' really signifigant to any of you?
> 
> tim
> tjreynol@du.edu

Some times it seems I know more about where and what Jerry and the band are doing than I do my own family.  Maybe that should be added to the "You Know You Are a Deadhead When...." list.
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From: adam@ms.uky.edu (Adam Parr)
Subject: Re: Screwed up mail order - help?
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:18:14 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <p2j+1x+@engin.umich.edu> sjw_nc@caen.engin.umich.edu (Scott J Wilderman) writes:
>If one were to accidently (stupidly/imbecilely/moronically is 
>more appropriate in our case) send GTDS a postal order that
>included $6.75 instead of $6.25 for the registered mail fee,
>would the wonderful, kind people at GDTS consider it an oversight
>and gladly fill the order, or would they reject such a request
>out of hand?
>
>Any insights would be appreciated.
>
>-scott

A friend of mine messed up his Cal Expo mail order in the same way. He got
his tickets (and he even sent in on the third day). GDTS included a note
with his tickets that basically said, "here's how you messed up, be more 
careful next time. 
Another friend of mine messed up in a similar way on his mail order for the
pre-NYE shows of this last year. He did *not* get his tickets. He received a
note that said, "sorry, we got enough correct orders to sell all the tickets
so we can't send you any." 

It seems to me that if the demand for a show is high, they will reject screwed
up orders in favor of the correct ones. But, if the demand is low, as was the
case for Cal Expo this year, then they may decide to overlook a minor error.

So, if you messed up on an order for Giant's Stadium your chances of having
GDTS forgive you are probably better that if you messed up on an order 
for, say, Albany which is much smaller.

---adam

-- 
*   Adam Parr
*   adam@ms.uky.edu                Dept. of Mathematics 
*                                  Univ of Kentucky    
*                                  Lexington, KY  40506-0027
From: libapm@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Anne Mosby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Wrong Rat
Keywords: No, No, No!
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:47:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia State University

B
In article <44370@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hessong@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian Hessong) writes:
>>>Rich "The No Drugs Guy"
>>>--    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>			   |
>>			   |
>>
>>   I'm glad for you Rich but keep it to your self, please!
>>
>>   I won't try to push my ways on you, if you don't try to push yours
>>   on me.
>
>Lighten up there, Todd! For the life of me, I can't see where Rich is
>"pushing his ways" on anybody. 

Both of you lighten up!  If y'all remembered the episode Rich was referring
to, you and everybody else would realize that Rich was engaging in a little
self-effacing, mildly sarcastic HUMOR, trying to lighten up things a little
and get a chuckle out of those of us who sat through the whole morass back
in september.

Everybody, now.  On 3.  Laugh.

ONE

TWO

THREE

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

we now return you to your "nasty postal worker who thinks the Dead's lyrics
are sexist and feels no one should show up without tickets" discussion.

>
From: eskridge@cfa.harvard.edu (Paul Eskridge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Cover bands
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:54:42 GMT
Followup-To: New Potato Caboose Update
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


In a post on NPC andrejkow states,

>These guys suffer from the same problems that have plagued
>most Dead cover bands.  Once they come up with some "original" songs, they all
>sound like half baked Dead jams.  I find this problem to be the case with most
>bands who start as "cover" acts.  

Like The Grateful Dead?

Paul
From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Tour dates, confirmed and RUMOURED
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:31:56 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Apr11.005455.18896@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com writes:
>
>***************
>RUMOURED DATES:
>***************
>-------------------------------
>
>August 22,23	Eugene, OR
>August 28,29,30	Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View, CA

You can add a 4th Shoreline date...probably the 27th.
>
>--------------------------------
>Fall East:
>Sept. 10,11,12	The Capital Center, Landover, MD
>Sept. 14,15	The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
>Sept. 17,18,19 &
>Sept. 21,22,23	Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY
>Sept. 25,26,27 &
>Sept. 29,30	Boston Garden, Boston, MA
>--------------------------------

You can also add December 21, 22, 23 at Oakland Coliseum Arena (Winter Solstice
shows)

Under JGB, you can add a NYE run, perhaps at the Kaiser.  

All my additions are somewhat firm, as rumors go.  Only time will reveal the
future in perfect clarity...some folks forget to clean their eyeglasses :-).

George Lambert
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From: "Bruce G. Gittelman" (AED-EWD) <bgittel@pica.army.mil>
Subject: Alex's Daughter Is A Deadhead
Reply-To: bgittel@pica.army.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:01:48 GMT

   On last Friday's Jeopardy!, during the interview part:
Alex: Our next contestant would probably get along pretty well with
      my daughter. She is a Deadhead, a follower of the Grateful Dead
      rock band. You used to work for them?
Ed:   Yes, I went around with them working the lights in 1973 and for
      a while in 1974.
Alex: They don't just have fans, they have fanatics that follow them
      wherever they play.
Ed:   Yes. In fact there is a bumper sticker that says "Who are the
      Grateful Dead and why do they keep following me?"

Ed (I didn't catch his last name, from Mass.?) went on to win the game.
On Monday's show Alex couldn't help himself, he had to bring it up again:
Alex: Our returning champion has show business aspirations. He has
      already told us of his experience working for the Grateful Dead.
      You've also appeared in movies.
Ed:   Yes. I made a brief appearance in the movie Woodstock - and he went
      on to say he paid to be an extra in another movie that was not
      GD related so my mind turned off.

The above are not verbatim, but as close as I can remember.
Ed got his ass kicked on Monday's show.
Which brings me to my next point, the thing that bugs me about
Jeopardy contestants. Often the contestant that is in the lead will bet
according to the formula Bet=(2*amt of #2)-(his or her score)+1.
Thus you see often see the winner win by $1. The second place guy then
goes home empty handed (he doesn't get to keep the cash). If they tie
they both get the same amount (they don't share the prize). So once
in a while you see a kind person who is in the lead not bet that extra
dollar, allowing the second place person to also win. This has the
added benefit for the person who was ahead of knowing at least one
of the people he will face on the next show will be on the same level.
So I thought this guy Ed being a deadhead and all would be kind to the
second place guy and not bet the extra dollar. I was really dis-
appointed when he did bet the extra dollar. It didn't really matter,
as it turned out, because the second place person didn't bet it all-
but it's the principle that counts.
ps i've even seen 5 time winners try to win by $1, as if to say
   i'm #1 and phuck the rest of the world (5 timers can't return)
pps ed didn't look like a deadhead, not even like an old head.
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From: lstein@adobe.com (Larry Stein)
Subject: Re: First Shoreline Grovel (sigh...)
Organization: Adobe Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:27:27 GMT

In article <2730@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr13.180753.16137@adobe.com> lstein@adobe.com (Larry Stein) writes:
> >not have to sit on the lawn.  The lawn is just not my cup of tea.  
> 
> 	I'm curious: why?  I just ordered for Star Lake and *asked* 
> for lawn...


   Well, wharfie, here's the straight poop.

   The lawn is not for me for a couple of reasons.  After many years
			of waiting in line at Winterland and other general admission venues,
			I simply got tired of that whole scene.  I also did this for many
			other concerts than just the GD.  Anyone out there who has waited
			in line all day at Winterland (especially, in the *lovely* part
			of San Francisco in which it was located <warning..sarcasm alert>)
			would understand.  At this point, I'd rather conserve my energy
			for the show than expend it by waiting in line for a good spot on
			the lawn/floor (or a good seat in the Oakland Coliseum!).

			Also, after many years of "flooring" it (and undoubtedly a lot of
			years of playing tennis!), my knees aren't what they used to be.
			Don't get me wrong, I love dancing to the GD as much as the next
			guy.  When my legs need a rest, I can hear the music much better
			from a seated position than a sitting position on the lawn.

			The other day, I was talking with a friend, who is 42 years old
			and has been seeing the Dead since 1970.  He said the general
			admission scenario was a lot easier to deal with when he was 22
			and waiting in line all day to see the Rolling Stones at
			Winterland in 1972 than it is now.

			Believe me, that entire scene was real fun when I was in my late
			teens and 20's.  Now that I'm in my late 30's, I find it a pain
			in the ass (figuratively and literally!)

			peace (and strong knees)

			--larry stein         lstein@adobe.com
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Sounds More Believeable than What I Heard...
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:09:25 GMT
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order

In article <56979@cup.portal.com> Henry_Burdett_Messenger@cup.portal.com writes:
>STella@xanadu.com writes:
>> that there exists a tape in which two of the band members are whining
>> that San Francisco's been taken over by the queers -- anybody HAS
>> this, I would like to hear it. (obtape-grovel))

>I could be wrong, but this sounds A LOT like a track by Negativland on
>their _Escape From Noise_ album. The name of track escapes (heh) me at
>the moment, but email me if you're interested and I'll look at the
>album when I get home.

Great.  Especially since you say that:

>Mickey Hart and Jerry Garcia are both given performance credits on the
>track (percussion and guitar, naturally). They're in the background,
>and, in the foreground three teenaged LA natives are complaining that
>San Francisco isn't LA. With the abovementioned homophobic slur (hmm,
>misogynic, too: "It's a hot town for puss.") The voices are modified
>using the usual Negativland-delay-line-cartoon-sound-effects
>treatment. Even so, I would be *very* surprised to find out that the
>voices are Jerry's and Mickey's.

Great.  I didn't mention in my first post WHICH of the band members,
in the vague hope it would be something like this, and yeah, verily,
the complaint I've heard was about the very two bandmembers I see you
mentioning.  (Which seemed very odd to me, because my family-detector
twitches just a little for each of them....  And I'd just kvell if
Mickey ever showed up to drum for a piercing ritual, too.  Note that
I'm not saying either of them IS queer, but that they don't feel like
phobes to me....)

So of course this would be from one of their albums I don't have... is
it still out?

Negativland is GREAT stuff, thanks for the reply, Henry.

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
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From: Corky McCormack <C578881@umcvmb.missouri.edu>
Subject: Fire on the Mountain
Reply-To: C578881@umcvmb.missouri.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:10:39 GMT

FWIW from my files:
 PORTLAND JOURNAL  June 1980  Portland, OR
(reprinted without permission, of course)
'Mountain' a coincidence?
Grateful Dead refreshing
by Ed Casey (Journal Special Writer)
   The Grateful Dead once again became the cosmic rockers with a cause Thursday
night at the Memorial Coliseum, when the group played a refreshing three-hour
rock and blues concert.
   Building around a ferocious drum solo, the Dead played "Fire on the Mountain
Mountain," which coincided with the eruption of Mount St. Helens.  To follow
that up, the merry pranksters of rock performed "Go to Heaven," one of their
recent recordings.
   Aside from the spooky happenings, which seem to have followed the group
through its 13-year career, Jerry Garcia's improvisational guitar style high-
lighted the evening.  Using a basic rock or blues song as a center of gravity,
the guitars expanded into spacey, free-form solos that are the band's
noteworthy trademark.
   While many of the band's critics have said the Dead should be buried, the
old guard struck back with a more polished show than in recent years.  However,
where the group used to make breakthroughs in the rock form, their dedication
to the tried and true old sound make them seem like smug conservatives.
   Frequently the Dead were off-time, which is part of the original approach.
After losing track of the song, some interesting jamming from the Dead would
bring it together for some kinetic rock songs.
   Keeping up with their famed reputation as a good-times band, the Dead
cruised through two old rock 'n' roll songs.  "Not Fade Away" and "Good Lovin'"
got the crowd excited, but the band shorted the delivery with a moderate
output of energy.
   A large part of the Grateful Dead saga is the dedication of the group's
audience.  The first 12 rows of Dead devotees move in unison to the flowing
rhythms of the music.  The Dead play off the spirit of the crowd, which makes
for the close and spontaneous appeal of the group.
   Even in the large arena, the Dead's expert sound system duplicated the subtl
subtle shifts in the band's music.  One is somewhat assured that a Grateful
Dead concert will be a relaxed evening of musical and social harmony.  Last
night the Dead contributed some entertaining, blues-coated rock that both
young and old fans cheered with approval.
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From: "mail granola at gitvm1" <NA1AS153@ua1vm.bitnet>
Subject: subscribe granola, d-flames, d-heads
Reply-To: NA1AS153@ua1vm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:39:48 GMT

subscribe granola
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From: "daniel j. slive" <DSLIVE@brownvm.bitnet>
Subject: fire on the mountain
Reply-To: DSLIVE@brownvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 19:37:13 GMT

Re:  Inquiry concerning Mt. St. Helen's and Fire on the Mountain:  YES.
The show was 6/12/80 in Portland and both sets were lots of fun:
The dead were in their greatest garage band in the world mode playing in a
big high school gym mode (of course, I was a bit younger then too! :-) ).
The second set opened, I believe, with drums into fire on the mountain into
lots of other goodies!  When we walked out it was ashing (kinda like snowing,
only with mud instead of water!) and the old synchronicity/plate-o-shrimp
hit:  Mt. St. Helen's had done it again--it had blown earlier in the spring
as well.

If any kind soul has tapes of this show I would love to hear from you!
I've been looking for a while:  the best I've done is most of set II.
P.S.  The Solstice Anchorage Show from that year is also lots-o-fun.
Dan Slive  e-mail:  dslive@brownvm.brown.edu
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From: Brian.Jarvinen@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: The Deadbeats
Reply-To: Brian.Jarvinen@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:46:56 GMT

rock. I especially love the Deadbeats because of their lyrics; they
have their very own fifth beatle who isn't on stage but comes up with
lines like
 
 don't need no job from you, 
 no nine to five
 just need a little whisky
 to keep me alive
 
 
 cuz I'm a Free Soul baby
 other might call me crazy
 but I'm just a lazy deadbeat
 well I don't care
 cuz it's the life I chose,
 don't need no perfume 
 to come out smelling like a rose
 
 
 all I can give you is a good day
 
Don't quote me on the order or the exactness, it's late. The Deadbeats have
two CD/tapes out chock full of songs about life on the road; accurate
songs because they have probably lived them. (disclaimer: yeah, they
are friends of mine). In a live setting they keep the dance floor packed
for three hours a night. Their second set usually starts around midnight
and ends around 2:10. (Bars close at 2 in Michigan). The four main members
have been playing together for years and are extremely tight. The last
time I saw them they only played one tune written by the boyz and in
fact did more Dylan covers (2) and Lennon covers (2) than Dead covers,
and overall played more originals than covers. The lead guitar player has
a bluegrass edge to his electric playing that is excellent. Like someone
said here, every band starts out as a cover band, even our favorite
band, and I can't think of a better place to start than them. They are
one of the best values for a four dollar cover charge I've ever seen.
 
P.S. Bring back "Wooly Bully"! Anyone have a tape of the Dead playin
this?
From: snively.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: ODC: Just a comment
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:24:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybernet.5i4BJB2w164w
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

I would just like to say that thru all the flames, and all the bad times 
on the net, there is still love out there.

I want to thank all you guys (and girls).  You've made a big diffrence to 
me.  You bring me up to date with all my older (read "more experienced") 
friends.  I even have info they don't have 'cause I'm on the net.  I love 
you guys.  Thanks.

Steve -- A first year rainbow to be.


--- InterNet: snively.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Steve Snively: SysOp of "Time Enough For Love BBS" +1 (215) 449-1902
  Steal this .sig  |   Better dead than Prodigy  |   Love & be loved.
I'm just a Kesey loving, drum playing, computer using, incense burning,
  deadhead hippie high school Berkeley wantabe kid with a UUCP account.
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