From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: DOES CHARACTER MATTER? YOU BET!!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:35:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.111204.107116@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER) writes:
>In <1992Nov12.074705.25546@Princeton.EDU> (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>In <1992Oct30.095624.210928@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> (PAUL N. RITTER) writes:

[...]

>>>How smug Mr. Clinton acts when he says he won't have any problem whatsoever
>>>sending our young people war. Now he says, "if anyone protests against a 
>>>draft & tries to dodge it, THEY WILL BE PUNISHED UNDER THE LAW." What NERVE!
>>>The draft is legal under Article I Section which states: (12) to raise and 
>>>support armies, (13) to provide and maintain a Navy, (15) to provide for 
>>>calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress 
>>>insurrections and repel invasions. (16) to provide for organizing, arming 
>>>and disciplining the militia and for governing each part of them as may be 
>>>employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the States 
>>>respectively, the appointments of the officers, and the authority of 
>>>training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.

>>Not ONE of these things allows the draft, now does it?  No.  No more
>>than the fact that Congress is allowed to "establish post-offices" means
>>that they can force anyone to deliver the mail.

>>Furthermore, these have been superceded by the 13th amendment, which
>>bans slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

>      Ok, so what you're saying is that it's unconstitutional to make people
>      perform community service, right? Why don't you look into the Bethlehem
>      Area School District's policy to force highschool kids (grades 9-12) to
>      perform 60 hrs of community service or they don't get their diploma? The
>      Clinton platform advocates this practice. It is a different story for
>      Catholic schools who add this to their ciriculum (sp?), but not a public
>      school.

Yes, I'm saying it's unconstitutional to make people perform community
service.  Maryland has instituted a similar mandatory volunteer [sic]
program for graduation.

No, Clinton advocates trading community service for college loans.  He
has never, to my knowledge, advocated a community service graduation
requirement.

>>>  Mr. Clinton is dishonorable to the CORE! People that defend him, in my
>>>opinion, do so because perhaps they did the same things he did or do now!
>>>I personally had no desire to smoke pot or become an alcoholic as a teen,
>>>but a youthful (underage 18) indescretion should not keep someone from being
>>>elected, but...When a 23 year old grad student, intelligent enough to
>>>manipulate a draft board, the ROTC program, the Rhodes program is called a
>>>BOY, SORRY!!! By the way, read his letter to Col. Holmes!

>>I don't see anything wrong with smoking marijuana or drinking at any age.
>>I don't see anything wrong with avoiding slavery at any age.

>   So, it should be legal for anyone to smoke pot at any age? I'd like to see
>   how long it would take for you or your family to bring a lawsuit against an
>   18 wheeled truck driver who put his Peterbuilt in your living room. We have

Um, I also think it should be illegal to drive through my living room,
at any age.

>   enough morons driving drunk, we DON'T need this crap too. This is liberal
>   idiocy working to destroy what is left of our country.
>             No argument about slavery.

I have a bunch of libertarian friends who would hate for their ideas to
be called liberal idiocy.

I think you conservative "Tell people who they can pray to, what they
can smoke, and who they can sleep with" idiots are the ones who are
working to destroy what is left of our country.  Prohibition doesn't
work.

>>>  I wouldn't encourage my children to dodge the draft secretly and lie about
>>>it. I expect them to fight openly under a Clinton presidency, at the FRONT
>>>DOOR of the WHITE HOUSE! The Constitution, under the first ammendment, gives
>>>us the right to dissent under the freedom of speech. It does NOT give us the
>>>right to break the law, but since Mr. Clinton broke the law and got away with
>>>it, he set a precedent for anyone who disagrees with U.S. policy.

>>Of course, unconstitutional laws can't be enforced, so they can't be broken.

>   How is the draft unconstitutional? You wouldn't need a draft if the idiot
>   Pres Elect wouldn't deplete the armed services.

Like I said, 13th amendment.

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