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From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:41:25 GMT

In article <16B5C11C15.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>See, there're quite a few confused individuals in this net group.  IF one day
>Taipei is hit by a Tomahawk missile, I bet they'll point their fingers to the
>mainland government.  How sad!

Let's hope that day won't come. And BTW, I'm sure Taiwan has the technology to
detect which direction a missile is coming from, thankyouverymuch.

>[... stuff about getting personal e-mail deleted ...]

I'm sorry that you got all those unpleasant junk e-mails, but I'm sure you also
expected that...
 
>I guess these people just can't stand a few constructive criticism.  Perhaps I
>shouldn't blame them.  After all, you can't expect too much from people coming
>from a police state in which no freedom of press (controlled by government) is
>a way of life (please,I know it's worse in Mainland in terms of press freedom).
> 
>If you know those typical Taiwanese well enough,you'll soon discover that these
>people would rather lose to the whole world except to the Mainlanders.
>See, they won the GNP war against the Mainlander (some mainlanders may disagree
>--which I don't care), they even compare their airports!  I bet the next thing
>they will do is to put their daddies' balls on the table and compare them.
>I also bet that they will agree on nothing: yours might be bigger but ours are
>heavier.

Actually, those previous posts from you didn't really seem like "constructive
criticism" to me. They seem biased and too personal, IMO. 

And sorry for acting so "barbaric," but like you said, we just came out of a
police state. Yes, we've been tasting some more freedom during the past few
years, and we're undergoing transition. Freedom of the press isn't well
performed yet, but guess what? Taiwan's got more newspapers/magazines than
Mainland China. Some controlled by the government, but the majority of them
are independently operated. 

At least Taiwan police doesn't run tanks over students!!!

Oh c'mon, there's no need to bring our fathers private parts into this, don't
you think? Now leave the computer and go walk your dog or something. In other
words, DISAPPEAR!

:E.Liu
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: chchen@milton.u.washington.edu (CHEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: more details
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:33:22 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Reply-To: chchen@u.washington.edu
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From news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!pchang Thu Jan 21 17:30:45 PST 1993

>>>some words from my sister, a flight attendant: only asian airline
                  *****************************
>>>companies will emphasize or request so much on appearance of their flight
>>>attendants, sometimes even take sex as a marketing strategy by manipulating
>>>flight attendants, especially female, as sexual objects.
>>>
>>    Christine, could you give more details?  What is your
>>sister doing?  a flight attendant?
>>

>yes, lee, she's a flight attendant.
>
>  * christine *

and which airline ?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human
From: chang@ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: The real story
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:58:09 GMT
Reply-To: chang@sleepy.ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.


In article written by  terry@liaison.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Terry Teng)
>
> A squirrel in Taipei has little chance to see the sun rise for tomorrow.
> A squirrel in most cities of US has better chance to live until she/he
> dies naturally.
>
It should be "A squirrel in most cities of US has better chance to live
only if it can cross the road successfully."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Chinese as majority in Indonesia and Malaysia ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:52:32 GMT


In article <1k77thINN1it@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes...
>
>Just like the 228 massacre made some Taiwanese try and distance
>themselves from the concept of "Chinese," these events (and much less
>bloody ones in Malaysia) have caused some ethnic Chinese in those
>areas to distance themselves from the concept of "Indonesian" and
>"Malaysian."  As for your comment that his attitude is an insult to
>Indonesia, it's probably meant to be.

228 massacre has nothing to do with the Chinese identity but was originated 
from the arrest of cigarette smuggler. 

Taiwanese is ethnic Chinese, (Chinese is defined as ethnics not just the 
nationality only), there was no need to force Taiwanese to accept the 
concept of "ethnic Chinese". When Taiwan returned to China in 1945, 
Taiwanese were happy, but a couple of years later Taiwanese realized the 
KMT regime worse than Japanese then the relation turned sour. That was the 
political issue nothing to do with the Chinese identity.

>If you want to use the analogy, you have to have the ethnic Chinese
>as the majority in Indonesia and Malaysia, which I don't think is 
>the case. 

Joe only talked about the consquence of massacre. Those massacres have 
produced the same results. That's all.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:39:37 GMT

In article <1k6gmkINNglo@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>
>The reason of my cross-posting to alt.culture.indonesia is simply.  It
>is related to the people of Indonesia.

Then you should have been more careful when you crossposted it to alt.
culture.indonesia from the middle of a flame thread on soc.culture.taiwan.
Without telling s.c.t. netters that you have crossposted to another ethnic
group and without telling a.c.d. netters details about the flame war along
this thread on s.c.t., some racial tension may rise from misunderstanding.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Subject: Re: cks airport is great?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:26:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.205307.3660@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>>>some words from my sister, a flight attendant: only asian airline
>                  *****************************
>>>companies will emphasize or request so much on appearance of their flight
>>>attendants, sometimes even take sex as a marketing strategy by manipulating
>>>flight attendants, especially female, as sexual objects.
>>>
>>    Christine, could you give more details?  What is your
>>sister doing?  a flight attendant?
>>
>
>yes, lee, she's a flight attendant.
>
>  * christine *

Is she married? :-)


Sorry. Just being sarcastic. 
MCR 1/22/93

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:55:39 GMT


In article <C16sxE.4BK@news.iastate.edu>, wwang@iastate.edu (Wen-Ping Wang) writes...
>What you have said were *constructive* criticism? Well, considering
>the strong scarcastic tone in your articles, I really don't think it
>meant to be constructive. Besides, in order to be sincere enough to persuade
>people, you should at least indentify yourself, say, with your name,
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^
>isn't it? :-) 

RAJA is probably just a poor Indian student who did not know "someone" is 
using his account. Two names for this guy, Mr. XXX (talk dirty) or Mr. KKK 
(needs a mask to attack people).
From: cache@carson.u.washington.edu (Chung-Ho Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: The state of the art in democracy.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:56:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
Keywords: hard drive

Have you ever heard that
when the Republicans left the offices in White House, they took away 
the hard drive with them! 

C-H
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Chinese as majority in Indonesia and Malaysia ?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:04:01 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan27.192858.25854@athena.mit.edu> joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph 
C Wang) writes:
>Just like the 228 massacre made some Taiwanese try and distance
>themselves from the concept of "Chinese," these events (and much less
>bloody ones in Malaysia) have caused some ethnic Chinese in those
>areas to distance themselves from the concept of "Indonesian" and
>"Malaysian."  As for your comment that his attitude is an insult to
>Indonesia, it's probably meant to be.

228 massacre is a false analogy.  The simple fact is, in Taiwan,
Taiwanese is the majority and Chinese minority.  It was the
Chinese amry ordered by the KMT(KuoMingTung or Nationalist) regime
massacring tens of thousands of Taiwanese.   It was the minority
KMT regime forcing the majority Taiwanese to accept the Chinese 
identity. 

If you want to use the analogy, you have to have the ethnic Chinese
as the majority in Indonesia and Malaysia, which I don't think is 
the case. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:45:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.054806.18486@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>
>How can you like this guy when you know he is the first person who played
>Kongfu in the Legislature Yuan? I remember he also said something like
>"Politics is simply a subtle way to cheat." Li Au also criticized Chu for

	Well, you just give me a reason to like him. He may be
	ruthless but he is also very honest about what politics
	means to a lot of politicians; that's a rare quality of
	a politician.

Yung-Kao Hsu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:18:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.133703.10668@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>
>I feel positive about President Lee and I have a very simple
>reason.  He inherited a KMT that he had very little control.  
>And while some of us don't feel that he deserve the Presidency 
>he also inherited, think about what the Da4 Lao3s in KMT felt 
>when he became the President.  Given the support he had for the 
>two jobs, and compare Taiwan's political environment today and 
>just a few years back, I think he did fine.  Of course many 

	Well, yes, I think he deserves credits in changing the
	political environment in Taiwan. But, I also feel that
	he has also became a roadblock in contining to move
	forward. He is the main reason in slowing political reform
	in his own party and hence the reform in government (his
	stand on presidential election certainly has my agreement).
	I think he has to be put on pressure to improve further.

	It is difficult for me to forget what may happen to Taiwan
	if Lee had fatal heart stroked soon after his presidency.
	His vice president is not even Dan Quayl, together with a
	military general as the Premier in an unstable environment,
	Taiwan may just break down. He may be under Da4 Lao3s'
	pressure in making these decisions (I disagree though, since
	he had a commanding supports from general public then), but he
	did not put Taiwan's wellfare first IMO. 

Yung-Kao Hsu

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17611 soc.rights.human:5020
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human
Subject: You call this marketing ?  I call it a shame.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:21:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


In article <1jid0vINNrlg@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao 
Iunn) writes...
--  The KMT military controls many news
-- media, including one of the only three TV stations, many newspapers,
-- several Political Warfare institutes which produce many military media
-- personnel, and a very well funded military edication/brainwashing network
-- which includes newspapers and TV programs.
-- Every single male in Taiwan has to undergo military brainwashing
-- for at least two years.   Many military media and political warfare
-- personnel simply join the only three TV stations after they retired.

In article <1993Jan20.224754.966@engage.pko.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com 
(Tom Li) writes:
>The better term is marketing. If you think US doesnt "brainwash" people then 
>you are wrong. The issue is how many people would buy-in those "brainwashing"
>I received a TI netter's e-mail about the reasons why we should go for TI, 
>I think he has been completely "brainwashed" by TI's propoganda. So stay 
>awake and make your own judgement.

It seems that someone is trying as hard as he can to whitewash the crime
committed by KMT(KuoMingTung or Nationalist) regime of Taiwan.

There is a distinct difference between marketing and political brainwashing.
The definition of political brainwashing only applies to those cases that
the target of barinwashing is forced to listen to or watch material given
to him/her by the authority whom he/she has no power to resist.   This
happens one day per week to every man in Taiwan during their 2 to 3 years
mandatory military service.  The day is filled with political education,
discussions and activities.  In certain extend, this also applies to every
high school students who are required to take military education classes
two hours per week which usually filled with political propaganda.

The regime has total control over the writing and editing of the
textbooks used by all the public and private elementary and high schools.
Political propaganda about Chiang Kia-Shek, who is portraied as the
nation's greatest savior, and the achievement of the ruling party are
the common theme of these materials.

And there is a ban on having new TV and radio stations.   All the three
TV stations are at least 50% own by either the government, ruling party
or the military.

And you call this marketing ?  I call it a shame.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:25:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.054806.18486@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>
>How can you like this guy when you know he is the first person who played
>Kongfu in the Legislature Yuan? I remember he also said something like
>"Politics is simply a subtle way to cheat." Li Au also criticized Chu for
>kicking a policewoman's butt. In my opinion he is not only imperfect,
>but disgusting and classless. 
>
>-- Chien-Chung Chen

i think mr. chu is a very interesting person.  if you simply classify
him into classless, you would have difficult to classify others much
worse than him. 8)
in fact, i didn't like him many years ago.  but, gradually, i found
he is not disgusting and classless as you said.  especially, after he
apologized publicly for starting the kongfu action in legislature yuan.
i think this is something we should admire.  we have too many people
who never say 'i am wrong' in our government.
i suggest you should reserve the 'classless' for those who object
and destroy everything.
politics is a subtle way to cheat.  this is very true.  remeber bush's
'read my lip'?  democracy simply teachs people that 'don't trust any
politian'.  so, in my opinion, he is very honest on what he is doing. 8)


cs shao.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:14:00 GMT

In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>Mr. Chen:
> 
>   I stand firmly by the facts I wrote in the original posting.

What fact? Taiwanese can't walk straight? Please elaborate.

>When I
>used the word "typical", I implied not ALL Taiwanese are less than decent in
>a certain way (but you're certainly one of theose typical).

I'm one of those typical? You mean I can't walk straight either?
Have you seen me personally?

>In fact, there
>are Taiwanese who support my point of view to a certain degree, not to mention
>those silent majority who MAY be guilty of spreading around news about
>Taiwanese's wealth, one way or another.

Even I support some of your viewpoints to a certain degree (like fighting
in Yuan is classless). But this doesn't mean all of your points are good.
Actually most of your points are ridiculous.
 
>   How about those 20 million people in the tiny little island apologize to me?

Why should my family, which belong to the 20 million people in Taiwan,
apologize to you when they haven't done anything wrong to you?
 
Boasting one's wealth is disgusting indeed. But most Taiwanese don't
show off their wealth. See my previous response to your original posting.

By the way, what's wrong with the "tiny little island"? Does the territory
size have anything to do with morality?

>BTW,I think I'm just a normal person who is fit physically and phychologically.
>If anytime I may appear dangerous to you all, that is when I'm irritated
>by the lousy behaviors of a large number of your countrymen.

Don't blame your own fault on other people. When you act abnormally, it's
your own fault, not others'. Grow up and take responsibility, please.
 
>>And most important of all, I don't use dirty language like you. Of course,
>>I'm much more decent than you.
> 
>I didn't know the 'ass' word can be so offensive.  I guess I shouldn't have
>used it had I known that not using it would make me a decent man like
>Mr. C C Chen.  I will try to do better next time.
>See, Mr. Chen, I am trying very hard to be a more acceptable person to you.

Good try. Still you have to try harder. BTW, do you really have to try
"very hard" in order to act less ridiculous?

>>Please! Be any kind of people you want. Just don't say you are a Chinese.
> 
>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>                                helplessly associated with people like you)

Then behave yourself!!! Use no dirty language and don't bet Chinese would
compare their forefathers' balls. I really don't feel proud of Chinese
when I know you are one.
 
Actually some (not all) of your viewpoints are not bad, but you just
don't know how to bring them out in an appropriate way. Some of the
most popular books in Taiwan are for criticizing Chinese/Taiwanese.
Not Taiwanese cannot accept criticism, but you have to bring it out
with logic and etiquette.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
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From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: cks airport is great?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:52:04 GMT

In article <C161zq.EAL@rex.uokhsc.edu> u235@rex.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee) writes:
>>
>>Dallas/Fort Worth airport may be the best major ones in the US.
>>Atlanta is not bad either.
>>
>>Eric
>>
>
>	No way, Dalla/Fort Worth airport!!??  I don't like it at all.
>Recently I watched a news from Dateline NBC or 48 hours (CBS) and it
>showed Dallas/Fort Worth airport is one of most inconvenient airports
>for switching from one terminal to another (too long to walk, 20-30 
>minutes).  I have been there and it is definitely true.  YJ
>

First of all, you are not supposed to walk!  That airport is bigger
than Manhattan.  Secondly, avoid "switching" at all costs.  It 
supplies unproportional amount of uncertainty to your flight.

Good things about the airport:  It is very accessable from any part 
of the two cities and there are plenty of SAFE parking spaces.  The 
weather rarely causes any delay.  Also very few people sell flowers
there.

By the way, if you must go from one terminal to another, take the
air train.  The routes are made of several overlapping loops so
you may have to change lines.  Another bad thing is that an airlines
can be at two terminals (like AA?).

Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ychen@faulty.mti.sgi.com (Yung-chin Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: 16 bit -> 32 bit (was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:11:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: faulty.mti.sgi.com

In article <C1DAtq.4FH@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
|> In article <1jsdeeINNlgq@fido.asd.sgi.com> jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu) writes:
|> >In article <C1A5oM.Dqp@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde
|> >Shi) writes:
|> >|> Another ad says Taiwan is the first to make PC
|> >|> with 32 bits words. Come on! To increase words from 16 bits to 32
|> >|> bits in PC |> is a grad student's term project.
|> >
|> >I think you'd better understand more about the computer industry before
|> >making a foolish comment like that.  In theory, changing the word size
|> >of 
|> >a machine from 16 to 32 bits is nothing more than widening the
|> >datapaths.
|> >However, in practice how do you deal with the following complexities:
|> >
|> For technical part, it should not be seen as somekind of break-through.

   I agree.

|> Business part, what is special about it? Not much.

   Maybe you should retake some CS courses. The original narrow 
   data path causes significant performance degradation for IBM PC.
   IBM and Intel all observed that the CPU is idle frequently due to
   insufficient bus bandwidth. IBM put in a 8K  on-chip cache and
   the performance is improved up to 70% on average for 80386.
   Large bus bandwidth can improve performance significantly but
   it is expensive and can be unstable. Thus, it is not so easy to
    enlarge the width. Check it with your professor.

ychen
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