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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:57:26 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: More books and films

Mr. Mayer-Kress writes that the Serbs and the Bosnians hated each other
for over 50 years.  Try over 500 years. Which is the very point of the
argument for being cautious in intervenning in this mess bu the rest
of Europe or by the US. It is a quagmire, and planes and guns and high
technology weapons do not brotherly love teach!  What fuels these wars
is not the simplicity of gaining teritory, not the surgical cleanness of
punishment of the guilty, not the fairness of the protection of the
opressed, but rather the festering hatred of neighbors hating each other
over the centuries having lost sight of the original events.  It is
clan warfare on a large scale, it is Hitler running amuck, it is
Stalin at his best.  As Peter Probst (Office of the Secretary of Defense,
US) said "... ethnic customs and values are learned at our mothers' knees
and are very difficult to change."

For the European or world community to be successfull in putting an end
to the atrocities in B-H, they first have to succeed in convincing the
antagonists to stop for just a long enough to listen to external reason.
Then they have to be convinced that ethnic wars are not reasonable.  Then
they have to be convinced that they can learn to live together.  Some
agenda isn't it?  Requiring that these antagonists observe existing
international laws as Mr. Mayer-Kress suggests is the civilized expectation.
But can you expect that those acting in an uncivilized fashion will
suddenly behave civilized? Hardly.

There is no reason to argue here the futility of going into B-H with
force, others have done so before me with greater aplomb than I ever could.
I just need to add that while the world can put a temporary end to the
fighting by force, without effecting fundamental changes in the mutual
behavior of the antagonists that is exactly what the result of such a
forcefull act will be: temporary.  And is the EC, the UN, or the US
willing to shoulder the responsibility of moving into the Balkans
with an army of sociologists, anthropologists, political scientists, and
lawyers for a few years and change their behavior towards each other
which they "learned at their mothers' knees"?

I already said more than I intended and frankly I do not think I offered
any solutiions.  May be the rest of you have some.

Best wishes to all of you for the New Year.

Laci Pook
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From:         GERHARD REMPEL <GREMPEL@WNEC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Request for information about archives

Ed,
I did not find e-mail addresses for any archive, but Fax numbers do exist
for some archives. Not for the two in question, however.

Gerhard Rempel
GRempel@WNEC/Western New England College, Springfield, Ma 01119
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:59:56 -0500
From:         Zsuzsanna Bencsath-Makkai <ZSUZSI@MEDCOR.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Books and Films Suggestions

Try Koestler's The age of longing, written in 1951, placed in France just
so that he could bring together Young Americans, Old Americans, Youngish
fought-in-Spain French communist, Russian writer just defecting, etc. The
book is excellent read, even (escpecially) now.

Montreal hosting a yearly film festival (not too commercial) there are many
films we saw in the last few years which I would highly suggest to see if I
could tell where. Like:
- a Georgian film based on a Maupassant story transposed into Georgia, 1917
- Krapatchuk, a French-Russian coproduction, hilarious comedy
- Chytilova last movies (any of them)

Zsuzsanna Bencsath-Makkai
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:06:09 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: More books and films

Yes George, you put your finger on it: hate is four letter word, but
when it comes to nations and cultures where hate is so much a part of
national or cultural or clan habit where membership is often defined by
ones ability to practice the cultural norms how does one break the cycle?

There are examples of individuals breaking the cycle of hate.  Many in
eastern Europe have done so over the past 50 years re. the USSR.  But
have nations, ethnic groups, or clans been equally successfull?  History
is full of the failures of such attempts.

Happy New Year to all,
Laci Pook
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From:         James Sheldon <U7636JI@DOES1.BITNET>
Subject:      Books and Films

Some films you might find of interest:
-  The Incredible Lightness of Being
-  Closely Watched Trains (There's a sequel by the same director, but
I'm not sure of the title)
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From:         Moss Madden <JU39@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Books and Films

On Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:13:48 EST James Sheldon
(U7636JI%DOES1.BITNET@edu.buffalo.cc.UBVM) said:

>Some films you might find of interest:
>-  The Incredible Lightness of Being
>-  Closely Watched Trains
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 (There's a sequel by the same director, but
>I'm not sure of the title)


Intimate Lighting

Director: Jiri Musil


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Subject:      Surfing the Sea of Stories--color copies available

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

The article "Surfing the Sea of Stories: Riding the Electronic
Revolution," by Judy E. Myers, Thomas C. Wilson and John L.
Lienhard, was recently listed in Current Cites.  This article was
published in Mechanical Engineering, Vol. 114 No. 10.

If you would like to have a copy of the article with the color
illustrations, please send your mailing address to:
        Judy Myers, Assistant to the Director
           e-mail:  LIB8@Jetson.bitnet or LIB8@Jetson.UH.edu
           mail:    University of Houston Libraries
                    Houston, TX 77204-2091
           phone:  (713) 743-9805, fax (713) 743-9748
We'll wait 'til after Christmas to start mailing copies.

We expect this article to be reprinted in Computers In Libraries,
but without the color illustrations.
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:06:57 CDT
From:         Public-Access Computer Systems Forum <LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Final Posting for 1992

This will be the final posting for the year.  The Moderators are off to
their holiday destinations where we plan to enjoy family and friends while
trying to stay warm (both foolishly heading north).

We want to thank all of you for your kind notes, your helpful suggestions,
and your patient understanding during the past year.  We also want to
thank our contributors, for their thought-provoking and helpful postings
which contributed to our daily work and our profession.  And to all our
subscribers...those of you who read PACS-L daily, discuss it with your
colleagues, and apply it in your own work environment...PACS-L would not
exist without you and we are grateful.

Jill and I wish all of you a happy holiday season.  We look forward to the
next year with renewed enthusiasm for this rapidly changing world of
information and the challenges it presents.

We'll look for your comments and inquiries when we resume on January 4.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS
--Dana and Jill
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:04:57 CDT
From:         gp17 <Gary_B_PHILLIPS@umail.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Why MLS?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>        Reply to:   RE>> Why MLS?
>>>  Agreed.  There should be more opportunities for the autodidact to become
>>>  certified by examination.  In can see two paths to this:
>>>  (1)...
>>>  (2) Full membership in the profession could require passing a library
>>>  science equivalent of the bar exam.
>
>> Great idea. And to make sure they do not lose their edge, they would
>> have to take the exam again every 5 years. That would be good for
>> medical doctors and lawyers as well, and all the others.
>
>I think this is a good idea too! This is the sort of thing that weeds out the
>people who aren't committed to the profession, and requires people to keep up
>with changes in the field.
>
>Eric Lease Morgan
>NCSU Libraries
>

This sounds like another case of "a librarian is every bit as much a
professional as a doctor or lawyer."  Let's put aside for the moment the
proposition of a kind of bar exam for librarians.  While I don't see a need
as such, it would be feasable to implement.  Who would pay for such
certification, who would administer the test, and what constitutes an agreed
body of testable knowledge for entry level professionals are all questions
that could be hashed out.

I find it inconceivable, however, that you can come up with some system for
"re-certifying" library professionals.  What would such a test look like?
Would music librarians be given the same test as reference librarians from a
public library? or an acquisitions librarian? or a systems librarian? or a
special librarian? (Well, you get my point...).  Will SLA certify special
librarians and MLA certify music librarians?  Would such a test accentuate
current working knowledge or current library "theory"?  And how would it
"require" people to stay current?  Are you proposing such a test include
knowledge that working professionals would otherwise not need, but would
study for re-certification?

And finally, recertification would weed out people who aren't committed to
the profession the way a loyalty oath weeds out people who aren't committed
to the current regime.  Most people would pay lip service to what a great
idea that librarians have to re-certify is, while doing the absolute
minimum to get through the thing.  Besides, most libraries are crammed full
of people who aren't committed to libraries, but act that way to get in on
the great pay, the glamor, the adoration of friends and relatives ...:-)

Gary B. Phillips
University of Maryland, College Park
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:06:16 CDT
From:         Jim Dwyer <jim_dwyer@macgate.csuchico.edu>
Subject:      CD-ROM Server Malfunction

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The first two lines are from a Mad Magazine ca.1962-4. The automation
definition of "host" inspired the second two.

E is for Eggnog, which we dig the most.
The lights are all lit up and so is the host.
Late students are getting just what they deserve-r
Since Santa spilled nog in the CD-ROM server!

Who says a liberal arts education has no practical application?

Jim Dwyer
CSU-Chico Institute of Marxist Bibliographic Control
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From:         Los Angeles Times Editorial Library <latimes@class.org>
Subject:      Re: BRS On Site

----------------------------Original message----------------------------


On Wed, 9 Dec 1992, Jonathan Laventhol wrote:

> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> > From: Los Angeles Times Editorial Library <latimes@class.org>
> >
> > At present, we have the full text of the Los Angeles Times dating back to
> > Jan 1, 1985 on the system; it is updated daily on the fly.
>
> Hi -- Wow! LA Times on-line back to 1985!  Can you tell us if
> there are any plans to make this database available outside the
> newspaper?  Thanks, J.

RESPONSE: The Los Angeles is available in full text on several vendor
systems, dating back to 1985: Nexis;Dialog;Dow Jones; DataTimes.  It is
also available on cd-rom on dialog and soon, newsbank.

If you have further questions, please contact at latimes@class.org

Cecily Surace, Editorial Library Director
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Subject:      Sending binary files via netcopy?

Can someone tell me how to send a binary file (so it arrives in the
same format it left in) via netcopy, under UREP 3.5?

The netcopy man page for 3.5 doesn't seem to talk about this, and
none of the ftype, class etc. options I've tried seem to allow me
to send a binary file unchanged.

Anyone know the secret (if any) to doing this?

Thanks in advance for any info.


Malcolm L. Carlock                      Internet:  malc@unr.edu
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: how to establish email connection?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:49:17 GMT

I have access to this group via news, but a friend does not, and he would
like to know how to get on the email list.  (I didn't notice a FAQ in the
unexpired articles I have access to).

Please post, or send email to jww@evolving.com

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In article <DBASE-L%92122203270734@NMSUVM1.BITNET> GOVE036@TWNMOE10.BITNET writes:

>I am wondering if it is possible for us to establish a LIBRARY, which
>contains many user-defined precompiled modules and is linked at RUNTIME.

 Yes; you could create a new project file (a project file is just a
database with a PJX extension) using the CREATE PROJECT command,
append a record to the project for each user-defined module, then
build the library (known in FoxSpeak as an "application") from the
project using the BUILD APPLICATION command.

 I'm not sure if this will work if you don't have the source for the
precompiled modules available, though; try it!

-- 
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From:         "Anthony K. Lima" <0003081833@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: dBASE IV 1.5 views and the AppGen

>> I'm using the Applications Generator to build a simple
two-database app with a couple of reports and a couple of
forms.  Trouble is, I can't seem to get the AppGen to use a
view instead of a database file for some of the objects in my
app.  When I specify a view file at any of the 'Override
assigned ... file' options, the code that gets generated seems
deaf dumb and stupid to half the fields in the view. <<

You have to set up the view using query by example, then be
sure you add the QBE extension to the file name, e.g.,
MYQUERY.QBE.  Hope this helps. -- Tony
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From:         "A. Kaniss" <dashiell@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: SIGN ON SCREEN IN DBASE IV ver 1.5

I hope borland paid the real inventor for the copyright to their version of
dbase and i'm not referring to ashton-tate either or it's possible what happened
to ashton-tate could happen to borland in the future.
Does anybody know why it took so long for the suit to come
up against ashton-tate for their copyright infringement?  I just heard a
news story that floated out of nowhere and didn't get the background on it.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
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Subject:      Conditional calculated fields.

dBASE IV version 1.1

A calculated field can be used to calculate a value, by setting an expression,
eg f1+f2+f3.

Working just from the Control Center, is it possible to make this a conditional
calculation ? Something along the lines of:
   if (f99='student') then f1+f2+f3

Pat Newby, Computing Centre, University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK.
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======\ Quoting: P NEWBY \======\ On: 12/22/1992 \===========

PN> A calculated field can be used to calculate a value, by setting an expr
PN> eg f1+f2+f3.
PN> 
PN> Working just from the Control Center, is it possible to make this a con
PN> calculation ? Something along the lines of:
PN>    if (f99='student') then f1+f2+f3

======================================\ END QUOTE \======================

    In what?
    A screen form? Yes, but you must use IIF(f99='student',f1+f2+f3,f4+f5)
    as the 'Expression'.

  Name               {TEST3}
  Description        {}
  Expression         IIF(f99=)      && don't forget you can use the
 && expression builder (SHIFT-F1)
  Template           {XXXXXXXXXXXXX

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Subject:      listserver for foxpro???

Hi,

Is there FOXPRO-L or something like it?
I am wondering if it is possible for us to establish a LIBRARY, which
contains many user-defined precompiled modules and is linked at RUNTIME.
Maybe a stupid question. I am not familiar with this software.
Any comments? (No blames, please)

Anne Liang
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From:         Wesley Leung <wesleyl@BORLAND.COM>
Subject:      Re: SIGN ON SCREEN IN DBASE IV ver 1.5

In dBASE IV 1.5, did you see a big logo appear that needs a key
press to bypass?  That portion was removed in 1.5 and therefore
the /t is no longer needed!
--
Wes,