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From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Horan ??
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.105147.10673@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Is it true that Tim Horan has gone to League?  Or is it just a rumour?
>
>Richard.
>
Rumour,more than likely.

I did watch an interview with him last weekend.He was basically asked:
Reporter: Are you going to be in the union ranks next year.?
Tim : I'm more than happy to be part of the union scene.I have gained
	so much from these last seasons,in terms of friends and financial
	support.
R : You mean you have been paid to play Rugby Union.
T: You said that,what I meant was with the new laws regarding financial
	weel being in the future.
R: Will you be playing Rugby League,as has been rumoured with Manly.?
T: No,I still have not had a concrete offer by any club.

So ,after the interview I came to the conclusion that CONCRETE offer was
the crucial point.He hedgeds bets a little too much to be sincere.

An after note.... I was listening to a radio broadcast of the Newcastle
/wests game and listened to some talk back later on.
Some guy who supports Canterbury asked if C'bury had bought any good players
for the 93 season.
The reply from Peter Peters was and I quote...
" They have.But the real buy is a current Rugby Union centre,they expect
to excahnge contracts and announce the player on Friday."

After hearing that,I kinda hope it's not Horan but I think Little is too
light for league.The only other backs that I can think of is Tombs/Herbert.
Kellaghers' name is being bandied about as well.

But you can bet $$$ that most of the current World Beaters have all been
approached.
If I hear anything before Fridays announcement I'll post.

GO the DRAGONS !!!!!!!!!!

Grandfinal will be  Illawarra Vs St George with the mighty Saints to win.
allanc
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Horan ??
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:51:47 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Is it true that Tim Horan has gone to League?  Or is it just a rumour?

Richard.

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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Re: Currie Cup Final? - PLEASE
Keywords: How's about some news from SA.
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: lrz
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:21:45 GMT

laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing) writes:

>Since the recent hiding the 'Boks received from the 
>Aussies and All Blacks, very little rugby news has
>been posted from SA. What's up lads? Is everyone 
>still licking their wounds before they play the 
>C.C. final?

>Us hard-core SA rugby fans out here are dying for some
>news. Please help us out.
> Much abliged.
>       Cheers,
>                Peter Laing.

>P.S. Natal WILL win the C.C.!!!!!

Natal HAS won the Curriecup. 14-13 or something. I got a short email message
from a friend this morning.

Could someone PLEASE post a short review of the match.

Some comments on the upcoming tours will also be appreciated (possible 
selections etc.)

Thanks.    

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From: laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Currie Cup Final?
Keywords: How's about some news from SA.
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:45:29 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Since the recent hiding the 'Boks received from the 
Aussies and All Blacks, very little rugby news has
been posted from SA. What's up lads? Is everyone 
still licking their wounds before they play the 
C.C. final?

Us hard-core SA rugby fans out here are dying for some
news. Please help us out.
 Much abliged.
       Cheers,
                Peter Laing.

P.S. Natal WILL win the C.C.!!!!!
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From: R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn)
Subject: Re: NZ provincial results.
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:52:16 GMT

In article: <1992Sep14.165009.816@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wft@math.canterbury.
ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:

>With one week of regular competition to go the NZRU 1st division standings are

              pl  W  points
>Auckland       7  6  24
>North Harbour  7  6  24
>Otago          7  5  21
>Waikato        7  4  16
>King Country   7  3  12
>Canterbury     7  2  10
>Wellington     6  2  10
>Hawkes Bay     7  2   8
>North Auckland 7  1   6

>Wellington with a game in hand will probably finish up ahead of Canterbury (sob)
>as they are almost certain to beat Nth A, who are thus doomed to relegation, it
>----------------------. seems. Wellington has their other game *against* Canty,
>                      | so that will be a grudge match indeed, though nothing
>          \           | depends on it really.



                         Yes it does, the loser finishes third to last! :-)


>           \          | 
>           \\         | The biggie, star match for next weekend, is the one 
>            \\        | between Auckland and NH. It will not only determine the
>             )`--')   | league champ, but is a Ranfurly shield game as well.
>            <  o /    | N.H. are playing with great verve at the moment, but
>             `\  /    | are a bit unreliable, and don't quite seem good enough
>              / /     | to topple the mighty Orcs.   Still, if the bounce goes
>         /_,, ~~      | their way, there just *could* be an upset !


Haven't all of us (non-Aucklanders that is) been saying this for over seven 
years and the best part of 50 shield challenges! I see the key area as being 
the North Harbour scrum. If Harbour can hold the Auks in that facet of play,
they have a very real chance of winning. If not, they're in trouble.

Firstly, though, Auckland have got to beat Counties today in Pukekohe. After, 
seeing Counties anihilate mighty Manawatu last week, :-(, I think they could
be ar real threat. :-)

Rob



ps Does anyone know who was Otago player that gave Richard Loe a "shiner" in
the weekend? Hotton? Cumberland?


 
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Horan ??
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.105147.10673@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Is it true that Tim Horan has gone to League?  Or is it just a rumour?
>
>Richard.
>

It's a rumour.  Apparently he wants $200,000 a season to switch to
league and at present none of the clubs are willing to take the
risk that he won't be a failure.  At that price, he would be in
the top five highest paid players in the country.

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer)
Subject: Re: Horan ??
Reply-To: allanc@cluster.cs.su.oz (Restless Wanderer)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:53:14 GMT

Heard on 2MMM-FM radio news this morning at 6am.
Tim Horan will hold a media conference to announce his intention
to stay with Rugby.
Don't ask me why he needs a media conference if the knowledge is already
dispersed.?

The hot rumour is that Tombs and Herbert HAVE signed with the same North
Sydney club that was trying to lure Horan.....   Suppose we'll see.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
From: aen@cs.brown.edu (Ann Nicholson)
Subject: the new rules
Summary: request for summary
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:04:39 GMT

I know that the new rules have probably already been discussed
on this newsgroup, but I havent been reading news for the
last few months. I wondered if some kind person could please
post or mail me the new rules, either as stated or in summary form.
The season is about to start and I don't know the rules I am
going to be playing under.

Thanks in advance,

Ann Nicholson

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From: Matthew.Lehrer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Matthew Lehrer)
Subject: Re: Future Australians
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:06:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.071642.28816@cs.uow.edu.au> peterda@cs.uow.edu.au (Peter Donald Asquith) writes:
>With all the speculation about the future of Horan
>as a rugby player it is probably worthwhile 
>speculating on the positions that need changing 
>in the Wallabies. I certainly hope Horan (in
>fact all the Wallabies) stay with rugby. Farr-Jones
>should be replaced as captain by Slattery. McCaul will
>be replaced by Waugh with maybe Morgan being groomed
>as the replacement for Gavin. There is an absence of
>5/8s in Australia, I haven't seen Kahl perform, and
>I think Wallace is too small. Jorgensen has a mortgage
>on Campo's wing, with Kelaher a certainty at full-back.
>I guess the tour to the UK will indicate the willingness
>of the selectors to look to the future. 
>
>Peter Asquith
>Computer Science 
>University of Wollongong
>Australia

When is the Wallabies tour to the UK? Where will they be playing?

                                                Matthew Lehrer

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From: mabg1084@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Alan Brodie)
Subject: Currie Cup Final Details
Summary: Details of Currie Cup final in South Africa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:01:04 GMT
Keywords: South Africa Currie Cup


I just received the following news from South Africa:

The Currie Cup Final (Sept 12 1992):
7th min: try by Natal (Teichman[8]); Tvl 0, Natal 5
25th min: Natal penalty (Reece-Edwards); 0-8
38th min: Tvl penalty (Van Rensburg); 3-8
HALF TIME
10th min: Natal penalty (R-E); 3-11
13th min: Tvl try (Fuls[13]) and conversion (v-R); 10-11
15th min: Natal penalty (R-E); 10-14
17th min: Tvl penalty (v-R); 13-14
45th min: Van Rensburg misses crucial penalty
FULL TIME: Natal 14, Tvl 13

Natal dominated the first half of the game, especially the rucks and
mauls. Tvl came back strongly in the second half, spending most of
it in Natal's half, coming close on many occasions, but not quite
getting it right. No serious injuries or fights. Tears for Jannie
Breedt; Breedt lifted up by the Natal players. MNet's man of the
match: Wahl Bartmann; TV1's man of the match: Robert du Preez.

An interesting bit of irony: after the 1990 final, Naas Botha
apparently said that it would be another 100 years before Natal
win the CC again. So much for old Naas!
From: runderwo@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Robert T. Underwood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Hello?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:56:08 GMT
Organization: Radford University

Is there anyone out there?  What's happening in the world of Rugby?

Someone, please let me know this message is getting past our university
doors.

Bob, the prop
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 19:12:39 CET
From: <TVERRALL@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: the new rules

Could someone copy them to me ?
We are playing in Germany and it is quite difficult to follow the
rule book in German. If someone has the new rules or an abbreviated
version of them in English it would be most appreciated.
If they could be sent to me that would be excellant.
Thanks
Tim.
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European Space Agency , Darmstadt , Germany         Tel.++6151-902500
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From: peterda@cs.uow.edu.au (Peter Donald Asquith)
Subject: Future Australians
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:16:42 GMT

With all the speculation about the future of Horan
as a rugby player it is probably worthwhile 
speculating on the positions that need changing 
in the Wallabies. I certainly hope Horan (in
fact all the Wallabies) stay with rugby. Farr-Jones
should be replaced as captain by Slattery. McCaul will
be replaced by Waugh with maybe Morgan being groomed
as the replacement for Gavin. There is an absence of
5/8s in Australia, I haven't seen Kahl perform, and
I think Wallace is too small. Jorgensen has a mortgage
on Campo's wing, with Kelaher a certainty at full-back.
I guess the tour to the UK will indicate the willingness
of the selectors to look to the future. 

Peter Asquith
Computer Science 
University of Wollongong
Australia
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Horan ??
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:22:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.105147.10673@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
|Is it true that Tim Horan has gone to League?  Or is it just a rumour?
|

I have heard rumours that he was approached by one of the Sydney clubs.
I have also heard rumours that he said no.

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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Result of 91 Winfield Cup Final?
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:28:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.082135.10578@waikato.ac.nz> rgty3286@waikato.ac.nz writes:
|Could someone please tell the final score of the Winfield Cup Grand Final last
|year, I know it was close 10-8 or 12-10 something like that, would appreciate
|your help.
|
|Thanks in advance
|Jo Camilleri

I don't think it was that close. I can't remember the score, but I think
Penrith won by 1 converted try (6 points) or more.

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From: smaad@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr A Davies 92)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Heineken Welsh National League - 1st Division Results
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:59:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

First Division Results, played Saturday 12/9/92 : 

	    Cardiff           37  Pontypridd  3
	    Llanelli          53  Bridgend   15
	    Maesteg            6  Swansea    35
	    Neath             37  Pontypool  16
	    Newbridge         19  Aberavon   21
	    South Wales Police 0  Newport    42

Llanelli are currently leading the league by having scored more tries
than Newport,  Swansea,  Neath and  Cardiff who are also on maximum
points after just two games this season.  Llanelli have dominated their
matches so far by playing attractive rugby, with their style of play
being well suited to the new law changes. Next Saturday they will take
on Newport at Rodney Parade, a match not to be missed !

Adrian.                        email: smaad@thor.cf.ac.uk
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Subject: NZ provincial results.
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:50:07 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury

With one week of regular competition to go the NZRU 1st division standings are

              pl  W  points
Auckland       7  6  24
North Harbour  7  6  24
Otago          7  5  21
Waikato        7  4  16
King Country   7  3  12
Canterbury     7  2  10
Wellington     6  2  10
Hawkes Bay     7  2   8
North Auckland 7  1   6

Wellington with a game in hand will probably finish up ahead of Canterbury (sob)
as they are almost certain to beat Nth A, who are thus doomed to relegation, it
----------------------. seems. Wellington has their other game *against* Canty,
                      | so that will be a grudge match indeed, though nothing
          \           | depends on it really.
           \          | 
           \\         | The biggie, star match for next weekend, is the one 
            \\        | between Auckland and NH. It will not only determine the
             )`--')   | league champ, but is a Ranfurly shield game as well.
            <  o /    | N.H. are playing with great verve at the moment, but
             `\  /    | are a bit unreliable, and don't quite seem good enough
              / /     | to topple the mighty Orcs.   Still, if the bounce goes
         /_,, ~~      | their way, there just *could* be an upset !
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From: ramdwar@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Simone Lisa Hernandez-Ramdwar)
Subject: Canadian Provincial Results
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: universal
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:02:39 GMT


Tier I
Regina, Saskatchewan

September 5th

Saskatchewan 33  Newfoundland 31
Ontario defeated Alberta

September 6th

Alberta defeated Newfoundland
Ontario 26  Saskatchewan 6

Sorry I don't have all the scores, but Ontario beat Alberta fairly handily,
with Alberta beating Newfoundland by a similar score. Ontario have now
earned the right to play BC for the National Championship on October 10th.
Newfoundland, after last year's dream season, head back to Tier II.

Tier II
St. John, New Brunswick

September 5th

Quebec 24 Nova Scotia 10
New Brunswick 26 Manitoba 16

September 6th

Nova Scotia 33 Manitoba 6
Quebec 17 New Brunswick 13

Quebec go to Tier I next September to replace Newfoundland. 

Womens
Winnipeg, Manitoba

Final- (September 7th)
Ontario 11  BC 10

3rd Place
Alberta defeated Quebec

Fifth Place
Sasktchewan 10 Manitoba 5 (OT)

Nova Scotia finished their first National Championship in seventh.

Jon Jenkins
Winnipeg Wasps RFC

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From: pc_madhu@ruby.enet.dec.com (MADHU)
Subject: Rankings after US Open
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:26:10 GMT


Have the Mens Ranking after US Open come out ? /madhu
From: hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open Final
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:54:55 GMT
	<1992Sep15.130956.2613@cs.wayne.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory
In-reply-to: faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu's message of Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:09:56 GMT

> I think there is too much being giving to Pete's being sick. Just when
> in the match did he become that sick? Give credit where it's due. I
> remember the Australian Open final a few years back when Edberg lost to
> Lendl (he retired). We could see that he really could have won, because
> he was LEADING before his injury became OBVIOUS. Are we to assume that
> Pete got sick at the end of the second set?

I don't think that the `sickness' or `injury' seemed to be a factor in
the first 3 sets. He played as though nothing was bothering him.
However, once he lost Set#3 he seemed to be downcast and demoralized.
He stopped moving well, chasing down balls etc. I think he started to
blame his injury for what was actually wrong. I am sure that if had he
held while leading 5-4 and won Set#3, he probably would gone on to win
and the injury would never have showed up. I think it was just a lack
of mental toughness on his part. 

It is not uncommon for people to blame `conditions' for there loss. It
has happened time and again, people get frustrated when things aren't
going too well. They blame the umpires or their physical condition or
the noise or luck  or whatever. I don't think Pete was an exception.... 

Just my opinion .....

- Hari

K.R.Harinarayan
Robotics Lab., Dept. of Mech. Engg.
Univ. of Wisconsin, Madison

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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: The Power Game
Organization: Clark University
Date: 8 SEP 92 18:40:50 GMT

The Chang/Washington match tonight will be a nice diversion from the
many powerhitting matchups left in the men's draw. I don't have a problem
with big servers who have full-court skills (Sampras, Stich, etc.), but it's
nice not to see the serve-dependent crop that shows up at Wimbledon.

Jim Courier made a good response to the remark from Connors that today's 
top players are more dependent on equipment than players years ago were.
Courier reminded the interviewer that the racquet he and Edberg use is 
the same model that Connors himself started using in the early eighties!

-				|   "A guy with a hard-on is not
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|    my idea of art."
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    			- John Mellencamp