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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Programming
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:28:01 GMT
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52

In <92323.033347DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
> In article <mwm.2okb@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
> (Mike Meyer) says:
> Well, this isn't all that far from the truth. And for the bazillionth
> time, there's nothing immoral about using a computer for FUN, dammit.

You're right, there isn't. What's immoral is when things that are
supposd to be helping you get work done interfere with other things
that are trying to do the same thing. Which is why MS-DOS is a mortal
sin.

> Different strokes for different folks. Something is strange here, however:
> you deride AMOS for being MSDOS-like, and yet there is a much larger
> supply of "thinking" games for MSDOS than for the Amiga, which is famous
> for arcade games. Hmm...

If you can find it in the see, see the post about what I use the Amiga
for. Notice that AMOS and MS-DOS have the same set of problems - they
interfere with my normal way of doing things.

For some games, this is perfectly acceptable. For puzzle-type games
(which do get written in AMOS), it really isn't - what's the point of
playing it on the Amiga if I can't pull up something to jot notes in,
or a calculator, or a paint program to draw maps, or whatever?

	<mike
From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Kickstart 1.3 on A4000 ?
Date: 22 Nov 1992 14:32:12 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tanne.uni-paderborn.de
Keywords: A4000

In article <in2a505.722002457@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>, in2a505@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (Elvers) writes:
|> Is there any program for the A4000 with which it is possible
|> to load an older Kickstart into RAM ? There is RKick, but it
|> is only for the A3000 :(

MC68040 is not supported by Kickstart 1.X !!

-- 
Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:22:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov20.002207.5129
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> The logic behind letting CBM's hardware designers develop high-end
> machines would be the same: let them design and play with high-end
> machines; it keeps them happy.

Forget keeping them happy.  What's relevant is that new hot technology
doesn't just pop into the world in an instant of intellectual brilliance.
It develops slowly over time... IF the inventors are given the time and the
tools with which to develop it.  Otherwise, there are no goodies... high
end or otherwise.  The Acura NSX is a perfect example of this as are most
other new inventions and/or technology.


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From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AMIGA STINKS
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:49:14 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

From: infinity@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Hedemann)
>
>I **censored** HATE AMIGAS!!!
>ALL AMIGA OWNERS SHOULD BE KILLED
> 

Somebody give him a hot buttered aspirin quick !! ;-)

Regards,

John Bennett                                   bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:46:50 GMT

Quoth jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan):
]> 
]>   And, yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that people break laws.  Ironically,
]> those that break "traditional" laws, like stealing a car, actually take on
]> some measure of risk in the process and never whine rationalizations if they're
]> caught.
]> 
]>   Pissant pirate-twerps probably don't have the balls to actually steal a car
]> though, eh?
]> 
]>   -jack-

Take a bow, Jack!  :-)
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From: kellym@wowee.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Kelly Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: DISCLAIMER FOR JUGLERDEMO POSTING ABOVE
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:02:50 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov14.005953.9208@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dmacphee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Don mac phee) writes:
> In article <69426@cup.portal.com> Eric_J_Rainbolt@cup.portal.com writes:
> >
> >Why?  I forgot that I belong to PORTAL.  This INCREDIBLE Amiga archive,
> >for the Amiga.  I am becoming seriuosly addicted, and talking to
> >the Pro's at PORTAL really adds to my knowledge and interest in
> >the Amiga.
> >
>
>    Umm... I'm all for plugging services, but this poor addled soul sounds
> a lot like those fanatical, Christian doo (oops...) Jehovah's Witless'
> that come to my door every year, to get chased off at gunpoint. (Gods...
> Gotta love the awesome satirical counterpoint that a Smith and Wesson
> can provide to some high-level marketing...)
>

Actually, I liked his post! I can see how you found it a bit geeky, but
I knew nothing about what Portal is or why people use it. Me, a poor,
lame, nieve soul. Having learned something, it was neither a wasted post
nor wasted bandwidth.

You don't have to agree with him, but at least respect his enthusiasm!

   kellY
--
%"Vhuuut, you donna' like'a my zooop?" -Fred Flinstone, impersonating a chef
% kellY Martin  UUCP:kellym@wowee.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  (1:342/53.5@fidonet)
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:44:03 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:

: Are you willing to give me transportation and pay for gas?  I would kind
: of like to see an A4000 at least once.

What? You haven't actually seen an A4000, and still you "inform" other people
on how it is to use it...?

I didn't give much for the A4000 before I tested it.

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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 Contest winners?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:24:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

please excuse the funny formatting of
this post, I'm using my antiquated
300 baud 40 col craptop from my vegas
hotel room during COMDEX. I visited the
CBM booth and jotted down the names of the
4000 reasons contest and here they are..
Grand Prize, A4000
Eugene Cottle

Second Prize, A600HD
Michael Fontana

Third Prize, AmigaVision Pro
two-way tie, both winners
David Klinkowize and
Michael Savin.

Sorry but altho I read their winning
entries which were on a large wall
poster at the booth, I did not write
them down and CBM did not have a
printed copy to hand out, just the one
poster on one of the booth walls. Also
the locales of the winners were not shown
on the poster. So if any of them are
reading this, or if anyone knows any
of them... pass on congratulations to
them, lucky bums :-)

Harv
Somewhere in Las Vegas
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Textscanning
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:48:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Hi,
>
>I want to buy a handyscanner to scan text and make a 
>textfile out of it. But sofar I haven't found a scanner
>that has the text-recognition software I'll probably need.
>I think this is called OCR-software.
>
>Does anybody know such software exists for the Amiga ??
>
>Any help will help.
>
>Thanks
>	Martijn van Welie (mwelie@cs.vu.nl)

Yes, it's called OCR - "Optical Character Recognition". 
The only company who makes Amiga OCR software (as far as I know)
is MiGraph. Their software will drive their own hand scanners,
and/or it can be used to post-process scanned text from non-
supported scanners, as long as the scan is saved at a high enough
DPI setting (dots per inch) in IFF or TIFF formats.  The software
actually works pretty much as advertised, but I gotta tell ya 
the process of scanning and then recognizing and then fixing
up the text is slow enough that if you are a very fast typist
(100wpm or so) you could type in text fater than you could scan
and recognize and save it. 

Harv
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore's Second Quarter Results
Date: 15 Nov 92 05:22:09 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <BxBI8q.HL8@news.iastate.edu>, Marc N. Barrett writes:

>    Strange that this comes only a couple of weeks after Apple announced that
> it had broken IBM's record in the personal computer industry by shipping 
> 2 million systems in one year.  Why is Commodore getting hit by almost 25%
> reductions in sales, while Apple Computer is reporting record sales?  

The answer is obvious to anyone but MB.  Most of CBM's sales come from Europe.
There is a REAL recession going on there, not just a slow growing economy that
the media and Slick Willie have conned the public into believing is a depression!
Also, the dollar has been falling.  This hurts dollar denominated results.

Most of Apple's sales are in the US.  Get the picture yet, Marc?


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: barrett@karazm.math.uh.edu (Dan Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore Announces Winners of 4000 Reasons Contest
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:02:00 GMT
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED
Reply-To: barrett@cs.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: karazm.math.uh.edu

>In article <19366@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS) writes:
>[some winners:]
>>REASON: "Since it was first introduced, the Amiga has been a pioneer.
>>        While IBM users anticipate the next innovation, Amiga owners
>>	are already using it."

>>REASON: "Used a MAC at school! Used an IBM at work. Bought an Amiga
>>        for home. To use it is to choose it!"

In article <OAHVENLA.92Nov18204723@lk-hp-4.hut.fi> oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:
>OH F*CK!! IS THIS TRUE?! Things like THAT win an A4000, and I can't even
>take part in the contest! Mind-blowing!  [etc etc]

	Calm down.  The contest was just for fun.  The judging was done
according to whatever standards the judges wanted, and there is no way
to know what kind of "reason" they were looking for.  Commodore didn't
have to have a contest at all; it's nice that they did it.

	Heck, I thought *my* reason was *infinitely* better than any of the
winning entries ("Buy an Amiga or I'll fucking KILL you") but you don't hear
me whining about it. :-)

	Followups are directed to c.s.a.advocacy.

                                                        Dan

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From: white@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: AMOS bashing...
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:06:34 -0800
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.


	C'mon guys, Amos can be as easy or as complex as you want it to
be.  I'm really tired of people saying that AMOS is just a kids language.
Sure, it can be a good introduction to programming (just like any other
basic language in the world can be.)  I have called Amiga DOS commands
from amos, executed foreign executables from amos, and opened a cli and
written program output to it.  I wrote a quick-and-dirty IFF to postscript
converter, and of course a few games.
	I'm not saying that these programs will support every aspect of
the system, but from a utilitarian point of view they work great.  I
am a little disappointed that Amos does not have full intuition support
but its getting there.  
	Every language has its ups and downs but with a little knowledge
of assembly most of downs can be avoided.



					-Chris W

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: lofaso@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Bernie Lofaso)
Subject: Using BRU with HD floppies
Summary: How to ...
Keywords: BRU backup
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:57:59 GMT


Does anyone know how to make BRU backup to HD floppies? I've tried changing
the media size for df0: in the BRUtab to 1760K, but that doesn't seem to
work.

Bernie Lofaso
Applied Research Labs
lofaso@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: IDK/Frontec - System Design Group
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:41:48 GMT

bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:
> >In 99% of all software piracy cases, the victim doesn't even know nor can
> >find out if he's been attacked or not, since it leaves no marks.

jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>   Bzzt.  When sales figures take a nose dive (considering a popular program,
> not some piece of drek), that is a *highly* visible mark.

  Bzzt to you too.
  When sales figures take a nose dive, you haven't been subject to -a- case of
piracy, you've been subject to -hundreds- of piracy cases.

  The original context tried to explain that there is no way of knowing
whether your data has been copied or not. You chose to move this sentence
out of the context, I didn't.

>  It tends to govern one's opinion on creating a new program later on too,
> which is another visible mark.

  Fuzzy logic here. Your second statement relies on your first statement being
true. Thus the second is not an argument, and 'another' proves simply untrue.
(Argument: How can something you don't know about govern your opinion?)

		-- Bjorn

       ///  Bjorn Stenberg, Stockholm, Sweden         bjst@sth.frontec.se
      ///  main() { printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}
 \\\ ///  "- Your documentation no longer confuses me, old version!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: hardie@herald.usask.ca (Peter Hardie)
Subject: Amiga Ham Radio Contesting Programs Available
Originator: hardie@herald.usask.ca
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:29:58 GMT


Over the last few years I have put together some programs to handle contest
logging/duping/scoring for the Amiga. The programs are supplied on an AS-IS
at YOUR own risk basis. The whole lot are in the file 
pub/amiga/hamradio/logger-206.lzh on ftp.usask.ca
There is also a separate file ss-206.lzh containing only the sweepstakes program
for anyone who wants to try the SSB SS this weekend and doesn't want to have
to FTP all 200+K of logger-206.

The hamradio directory also contains the V7.00d distribution of the CBBS
packet BBS program that I have ported to the Amiga. 

Read the DISCLAIMER in pub/amiga. 

If you take CBBS or the logging programs, please drop me Email and I can
let you know if I place an update in the directory.

Pete hardie@herald.usask.ca  VE5VA
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: AMIGA STINKS
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:15:56 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


In article <1992Nov20.124914.165189@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
> From: infinity@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Hedemann)
> >
> >I **censored** HATE AMIGAS!!!
> >ALL AMIGA OWNERS SHOULD BE KILLED
> > 
> 
> Somebody give him a hot buttered aspirin quick !! ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Bennett                                   bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au

But that's the waste of a good Aspirin!
:)

					The beef sandwich.
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Betting on an A1800
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:10:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov20.001050.5129
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> The 3000 is dead (check out Creative Computer's ad in AmigaWorld).

That's about the flimsiest information one could get upon which to base a
completely preposterous and highly speculative comment such as this.  Of
course, we've been told for the last 8-9 years that the C-64 "was dead"...
funny how CBM keeps right on selling those "dead" machines.  I would think
that my A3000 was at least as good as a C-64... and will continue to be so
for several more years to come.


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From: shulick@osage.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Supra Sucks - continued...
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:21:04 GMT
Reply-To: shulick@osage.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Originator: shulick@osage


By the way, it is NOT my phone lines, as my normal phone works, and my
SupraModem 2400 works.  And please respond via email, as my newsreader
is puking and I can't read news. :(  (this is temporary, of course...)

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: Roger_Martensson@p3.nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: To be able to copy and paste...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:07:21 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@p3.nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Distribution: world
Organization: The Third Point, Mellansel, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: George_J_Karabin

In a message (written 15-Nov-92, 2:11:00) to George J Karabin you wrote:

 GJK> While I am a mostly satisfied Amiga User, there is one major problem
 GJK> that I have with Amigados - it goes like this: I would love to have
 GJK> the cut and paste options for text in all of my applications, like on
 GJK> the Mac. I'm running 2.04, and I'm wondering if there's anything I
 GJK> can do to get this. I seem to remember someone mentioning that
 GJK> Amigados does in fact have this feature, but on my Workbench, it is
 GJK> definately not there. Is there some sort of setting that I have to
 GJK> enable, or a commodity or something like that? I'd be very
 GJK> appreciative
 GJK> if someone could bring me up to speed on this.

The Shell window allow you to cut and paste. Or Copy and paste. Just highlight 
the test you want to copy with the mouse, and press LAMIGA-C. To paste it to 
any other program the program must be able to use this function. If it do, 
then press LAMIGA-V to paste it.

Otherwise you can use SNAP. Both the inbuilt function and Snap uses the 
clipboard.device. That means that you cut with with LAMIGA-C can you paste 
with snap and vice verse.

 GJK> Thanks,
 GJK>                 Josh

/Rm - InterNet: Roger_Martensson@p3.nola.bbs.bad.se 
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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A4000 Winner?
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:29:05 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote:

: Who won the A4000 in the '4000 Reasons to own an Amiga' contest?

Check comp.sys.amiga.announce.

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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMOS
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:08:47 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <92321.114629DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> AMOS is a toy langauge in the sense that it's not used to produce
> commercial software (at least none that I know of). But then every
> language except C/asm is a toy language by that definition.

Well, there's the award winning educational software series from
Mandarin (the FUN - 2 - 3 ones) for one.  Also, on page 1 of the AMOS 
manual, it states:

"Mandarin Software is very keen to publish any program written using AMOS."

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: twang@csc.albany.edu (Teddy Wang)
Subject: what's the latest version of cpublit
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:10:06

subject says it all,
does anybody know the most recent version of cpublit,
and where I can get a copy???

Teddy
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