HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: Durability
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:55:54 GMT
Keywords: why

johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) writes:

>I mean, we would like to think that if we could get our bike or car, any        
>bike or any car, to say, 100,000 miles, without major problems we are           
>having a near mystical experience in reliability.  Bullshit.  At an             
>average of 50 mph, 100,000 miles is only 2000 hours of operation.               
>That's nothing compared to the reliability of many mechanical systems.          

I think this is a little unfair to cars.  Given proper treatment, one may real-
istically expect much more than that.  I think the reason cars, at least, ap-
pear unreliable and non-durable is the fact that more often than not they are
abused and neglected.  My father's last car, a Chevy Citation, was still going
strong at 130,000 with no problems on the horizon; Mom's '85 Olds 98 is still
doing good at 120,000; my BMW has 120,000 miles on the second engine, and the
only reason the first expired (at 100,000 BTW) was that a previous owner
thought it would be neat to rev the engine to 9000 RPM (redline is 6K).  I
think that with 3000-mile oil changes and sensible driving (i.e. not flooring
it all the time, not revving to redline for every shift etc), most engines
shouldn't have a lot of trouble lasting 250,000 miles or so before a rebuild.
And as for the hours-of-operation-time, very, very few drivers are always on
the highway going 50.  If that was all someone did, their engine would doubt-
less last much longer, as they wouldn't be adding wear by accelerating, etc.
I think a more realistic estimate of total operation time would be in the
neighborhood of 10,000 hours per 100,000 miles.  This still isn't too good, but
then for most manufacturers, keeping the price down necessitates the use of
materials that wouldn't measure up to heavy-industry standards.  I read some-
where that an American or Japanese engine cannot be run continuously for too
long at more than 30-40% output.  This is something of a contrast to a truck
(or German car) engine that can pull 75-80% all day long without a hitch. 
There ARE, you know, Mercedes and VW's (and I think some Volvos) out there with
1,000,000 miles on the clock.
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From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Attention Deutsches DOD contingent.
Keywords: Beer
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:56:13 GMT

So hey I'll be visiting the Fatherland over Christmas. I'll be in the
Stuttgart area (Grafenau for those who live there). As always travel is
just an excuse to have a beer with a fellow Dunderhead so drop me a line
or give me a call if you're thirsty. 07033-43674. 
I'll be there from 12/23 to 1/4.

--
Stef            aka  spgo@is.morgan.com   DoD#0190 
'82 KZ550 (Commuter) '84 750 Interceptor (Toy) '86 Alfa GTV6 (Money drain)
                Warning: I brake for radar traps. 
        Disclaimer? I don't need no steenkin' disclaimer!
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:52:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.1635
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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	The reason most accidents occur 5 miles away from home is that
	most people are within 5 mile of home most of the time....Its
	the center of activity....I'll bet that the next most common
	place for accidents is along the way to/from work...hey, If I
	spend more time there then my chances for having an accident
	there as opposed to the one time I drive a hour to see a friend
	are much higher????
		simple probability....

				Ryan
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From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: heated vests, advice wanted
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
	<7855@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>
	<1992Dec11.175355.2741@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:53:24


In article <foo> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:
   In article <bar>, bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (FOAF) writes:
   > Well, it's obvious :-) that the long-term effects of the earth's
   > fields are fatal, too. So what the heck. It just gauss to show you, no
   > one gets out alive.

	   Ouch!  That Hertz!  Fluxin' smartass...

Charging a head, I'll point out that this is no longer a very
current thread.  Watt were we talking about?


--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Sport vs. Need
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:41:59 GMT
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

In article <1992Dec10.121240.21174@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.140535.22349@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec07.155247.16243@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>>I agree with most of what you've said, including the stuff I deleted,
>>>but damn it all, why do so many insist that motorcycling is
>>>a "sport" or "passtime"?  To me, it's tranportation.  Fun transportation,
>>>yes, but I rarely ride anyplace without a purpose, and the bike is
>>>an alternative to driving a car, riding a bicycle, or walking.
> 
>>Perhaps I'm not quite reading between the lines here.  To me motorcycling is
>>MOSTLY a pastime or "hobby".
> 
> Poser!
> I have to lump myself in with Jonathan and (oh, no) Ravi in wishing motor-
> cycling was referred to less as a "sport".  Sports are trivial activities
> done exclusively (or nearly so) for enjoyment, and (here's the big one) are
> "childhood trappings that adults outgrow".  Motorcycling does NOT fall into
> that category for a large number of us.

	Who says ?  Adults need fun, too.  If someone says yer too
frivolous, that's not *your* fault.  We all like to do things for fun,
that aren't stricly *needed* for anything.  I'm an adult and I like sports,
and so do most of my friends.

	For me, a good deal of motorcycling is a pastime, or sport.  Riding
to work is pretty much out of the question, for me.  This is Pittsburgh,
you have to realize, and I work in a really conservative company.  However,
I enjoy my off-hours riding and working on my bikes.

	Actually, what gets me is people who refer to motorcycles as their
"lifestyle" or their "way of life".  A good portion of said individuals
seem to place great importance on figuring out who's in and who's not, who's
a "real biker" and who's a "yuppiescum poser".  I just figure that such a
viewpoint is probably just a result of a poor self-image that they have to
bolster by putting other people down.  Kind of like in a clique, wouldn't ya
say ?

	The poor image of motorcycling is in part due to the acts of gangs of
people who see things this way, if I'm not mistaken.  Although certainly
people who see it as "sport" can share much blame, too, I guess.

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
Systems Engineer / Motorcyclist / Volunteer / AMA 642916 DoD 0593 FSSNOC 1721
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was:Helmets)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:00:21 GMT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:

>>I caught part of a scary thing on the News last night.
>>Turns out that Cannada has banned infant crawlers and the
>>U.S. may do the same.  Why? Because X number (I can't remember

>Guy on the radio said it best the other day.  Six months old
>babies are designed to stay where you put them, they are not
>designed to be mobile.

Yea, if god had meant for babies to be mobile, they'd have been born with
motorcycles.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
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From: cameron@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Cameron Simpson)
Subject: Re: Goldwings not motorcycles?
Reply-To: cameron@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Cameron Simpson)
Organization: CS&E Computing Facility, Uni Of NSW, Oz
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:39:29 GMT

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
: Geeze, doesn't anyone just make bikes anymore? You'd think this was a
: diversified, global economy or something.

Triumph?
	- Cameron Simpson
	  cameron@cs.unsw.oz.au, DoD 0743
--
"The engine purrs beneath me with a purpose,
 ready for the pleasure of my hand upon the throttle." - Peter Smith
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re:  What's a click?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:32:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1381@galaxy.gov.bc.ca, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca () writes:
>
>Normal to you. Most countries use metric. 'Clicks' is an expression I use and
>hear all the time, although usually I've seen it spelled as 'Klicks'.

Geeze, you can crack some people up side the head with a joke and they
still won't get it!

OK, what does [click | Klick] mean, kilometers or kilometers/hour?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:10:48 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: swrinde.nde.swri.edu

In article <1701@tekgen.bv.tek.com> tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.194704.2674@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>->
>->  Methinks you are naive, Terry.  I used to do the Austin to Oklahoma
>->City I-35
>->drive that Kent is referring to (and back) about once a month.  Kent is not
>->exagerating, at least not by much.  There were usually about four cars
>->the trip that would fly by me when I was traveling 70 to 80.  I would say

The traffic from S.A. to Austin is often quite a bit faster than that north
of Austin. Can you say 'AutoBahn'? Try riding from S.A. to Austin on a Friday
right after work sometime during summer. If you aren't going 75, you're gonna
get run over. Period. The cars doing 100+ usually run in little packs of two
or three and absolutely crank. I would usually see about 5 or 6 of the packs
in the 100 mile trip to Austin. Some are more safe in that they slow down and
give adequate room and time for maneuvering. Others aren't - these are the
ones that need to be removed - or given a physics lesson.

>No one mentioned anything about an empty left lane with someone hanging 5
>feet off your bumper in the right lane.  Also, I'm condoning someone
>driving 5 feet off your bumper at any hiway speed.

But 'Bully Breath', no one mentioned anything about the Left Lane either. You
were the one assuming I was driving in the left lane and obstructing traffic.
Now, you trying to back out???

>Ah but you would be wrong slugo.  I've driven plenty in  Nevada, Utah and
>Arizona (plus Montana which isn't desert but is deserted).  I guess we
>need to define 'heavy' traffic.   

1 car per lane at least every 100 feet on I35 on a Friday evening.

>->  Such self-righteousness...
>
>Nothing self-righteous about it.  Paying attention to your mirrors while
>in the fast lane of 80 to 100 mph traffic is common sense.  

I think what Randy was talking about is that again, you assumed. You assumed
that I don't use my mirrors. The fact that a motorcycle has been my primary
transportation for over 25 years (and I don't drive slow) would make one tend
to think differently.

>Such as?  If you want to play junior policeman, get a cellular phone and
>call in the offending party.

A cellular phone on my motorcycle? You're a cage driver, aren't you?

Boy, I can tell it's been too long since my last flame. This is fun! Been
away too long!

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Beware! DoF on the loose!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: MOVIE: Roadside Prophets
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:32:33 GMT


cool movie. recomend it to anyone that rides. only problems
with the movie: i liked watching it while altered (saw the
first 5 minutes while hungover and not drinking, saw it again
next day while drinking and it was much better), I REALLY
WANTED TO RIDE, in fact i dreamed all last night of riding......

nit picks: dweeb on bike says its 68 triumph but it has disk
brakes. so what year is it? the harley breaks its chain
but if you look closely when he stops its still on the bike.

 
Laszlo Nemeth
pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
"war"
"Harleys make to much noise. I guess I've just become a BMW snob" Mikii
"I trust you more on your motorcycle then I trust you on your bicycle" Mikii
Not many men can say they made a woman orgasm and laugh at the same time.
"He who dies with the most sub-nets wins" Peter Schmid
DoD #0666          UID #1999
From: crmoorle@napier.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Nitrous Oxide?
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:02:04 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

Has anyone out there had any experience with Nitrous Oxide?  It has
been installed on an FZ600 motor and been on a Dynojet Dyno and was 
wondering if anybody has a rough guess as to how much horsepower it
should be making.  Any suggestions as to other horsepower mods 
would also be appreciated.
From: rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: New Designs (Re: Durability)
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:07:02
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: na
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In-reply-to: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:59:48 GMT


I was thinking that since alot of wear is caused by starting up the
engine when the oil is in the pan, can there be an electric oil pump
to pump the oil before starting the engine.

so, you turn the ignition to on and leave it for a few seconds and
wait till the electric pump pumps some oil around and then start up
the engine.
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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Free SAR in CO
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:49:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

If you ride (or hike, for that matter) off the beaten path much in CO,
you might want to consider getting a license to slaughter Bambi and/or
Peter Cottontail.  :^)

The following is reprinted without permission from the Dec. 92 issue of
Field & Stream, pg. 86.


The next time you take to the outdoors in CO, buy a hunting or fishing
license, even if you don't plan to hunt or fish.  Doing so could save
your bank account -- and your life.

Anyone who buys a hunting or fishing license in CO is eligible for
no-cost search-and-rescue operations, if the need arises.  This is
because 25 cents of every license sold in the state is dedicated to a
special fund that reimburses county sheriffs for expenses incurred
while rescuing backcountry travelers.  And since many search-and-rescue
operations involve helicopters which rent for $600 per hour, the costs
can add up quickly.

The program was begun in 1988, when the state's county sheriffs, who
are responsible for search-and-rescue in their jurisdictions, claimed
the mounting cost of such operations to help hunters, fishermen, and
other outdoors people was beginning to be a financial burden.  The 25
cents fee from each license is placed in a special account that can
only be used for search-and-rescue reimbursement.

Any license purchase makes the owner eligible for the remainder of the
calendar year, including the $5.25 one-day fishing license available to
residents and nonresidents alike.  Currently, the purchaser does not
have to be involved in hunting or fishing to qualify for reimbursement,
although that could change if the system is abused.

Private rescue companies are not eligible for reimbursement, unless
they have been contacted for the job by the county sheriff.

CO is believed to be the only state that currently offers such a
program.  CO officials say NY and WA states have both asked for
information on the program.

		- Bob Marshall

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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Attention electriv vest owners!
Keywords: neutral, traffic lights
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:05:52 GMT
Distribution: rec


In Message: <1992Dec14.161153.23691@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>
From: tgent@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Tom Gent) writes:

#In article <75518@apple.apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
#>
#>Yes, but the unit is clumsy, expensive, steals some of the bike's power
#>that could have gone to the vest, and doesn't solve the draining the
#>battery while idling problem.
#>-- 
#>Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
#
#Has anyone yet suggested a relay picked up by the neutral light wire?
#Oh, and it would be the normally closed contacts, by the way.
#
#You *do* put it in neutral at traffic lights, right?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#
#Tom Gent  (0-line .sig)
#

Not unless he's completely out of his friggin' mind, he doesn't.  The last
damn thing anyone wants is to observe some brain-dead cager locking up
the binders behind him because he "didn't see the motorcycle", and be
sitting there on your fat ass with the bike in neutral.  That extra
second or two to get the bike in gear could mean the difference between
saving your life and becoming the contents of a particularly messy sandwich.
I'd a LOT rather have a little extra draw on my battery!

--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
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From: dl@cube.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)
Subject: Info on 750 Interceptor
Reply-To: dl@thumper.bellcore.com
Organization: Packet Communications Research Group (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:01:59 GMT

	This weekend a friend dragged me to a Honda dealership and
Introduced me to a 750 Interceptor. This is the first sport type
bike I felt comfortable on. Despite it's steep pricetag($7k), This
one really caught my attention, and right now I'm trying to get
feedback about the machine before I commit the big bucks. I'm 
curious to hear impressions about that single arm suspension
as well as the V-4 engine. My primary riding style is aggresive
touring and commuting, with occaisional fits of speed. The dealer
had none to take out for a ride :( so thats why I'm fishing for 
experiences/impresions/foaf tales.

thanks for any replies, 

dan
.
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From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Thanks all!  (was Widder Address)
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:18:03 GMT

 writes
> In article <1992Dec14.212302.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>  
mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
> >
> >Perfect Tommy: "But why do I have to give her my jacket?"
> >Buckaroo Banzai: "Because you're perfect."
> 
> Perfect Tommy: "You have a point, there."
> 
> notice the hack setup used by the evil doctor in the failed attempt at 
> bridging the dimensional barrier.... could be a symbolic statement of the  
evil
> nature of perverting a legitimate moto to three wheeled operation.
> 
> Buckaroo Banzai: "I've been ionized.  But I'm all right now."
> 
> CP "Chuck the Merciless" Tomes
> Killer of Red Lectroids, Keeper of the Truth of Buckaroo
> 

Dude, think you're stuck in the 8th Dimension?  You should check out this  
place... (see "organization" above)
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bad BMW Drivers
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:18:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec13.031844.18092
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1ga93rINNafu@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>
>In a second aside, does anybody know where parts are available for
>a BMW Isetta car?
>

I dunno about the Isetta, but a friend of mine has a barn full of the cute
little Messerschmidt cars.  Does anyone need parts for those? 

Ride Free, or fly free, whatever....

Bill
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From: tjr2g@Virginia.EDU ("!!! Cosmic Charlie")
Subject: Honda GB500
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:56:56 GMT

Hi y'all
I was just wondering if anyone had driven a GB500.  Its the
1989 (?) single that honda made to look like a british single.
Very sharp!  Wire spoke wheels single seat and styled tank.
Looking for a good deal on one... 
Any leads from the net???
email me or respond
tjr2g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
tjr2g@virginia

tim
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1964 Honda Scrambler 305
1968 Honda Superhawk 305
1975 Honda 550four
(no DoD number, can't find KofTL  Any help????
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