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From: Darla@cup.portal.com (Kuby - Downs)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Best Sequencer for IBM?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 03:30:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Mark,

=>I know that a lot of these things are available on the market,
=> but I would like to know what you people think the best 
=>sequencer out there is.

IMHO, for Windows, I would have to say the new Calkewalk
for Windows, especially now with the new real notation
editing features. I think it blows all the others away, including
the passport series.

For DOS, both Cakewalk and Voyetra are on top.

                                         Darla
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Live Performance Question
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:34:51 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Jul30.005615.24025@intelhf.hf.intel.com> johnb@intelhf.hf.intel.com (John Bielaszewski) writes:
>Suppose you have two keyboard/controllers and a rack
>full of synthesizer modules. How you control
>a setup like this during a live performance. That is, how do
>you change the routings of keyboards to modules, and the
>individual module patchs in realtime? I could imagine
>that you might want to change the routings/patches for each 
>song and even for different sections of a single song. 

Some of us use computers to do that.  I personally developed my own
live performance software to handle all the routing and patch changing
while I play.  If you have a Mac, I've hears others talk about a
program called MAX which seems to be capable of this sort of thing.

All in all, I haven't noticed much attention in the trade mags towards
this class of MIDI software.  I keep thinking that any day now, live
performance software will be the hottest thing around.  There will be
cut-throat competition and feature wars.  Too bad.  It's completely 
changed the way I perform.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: croehrig@carib.cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig)
Subject: FM synthesis of  real instruments (was Re: Followup to my SY99/mega ga)synth searches
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 19:19:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.022906.5316@ads.com> jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson)  
writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul27.195628.16564@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@carib.cs.ubc.ca  
(Chris Roehrig) writes:
> >FM synthesis gives me one thing that I can't find on any other  
platform:
> >the ability to easily change the _dynamics_ (or "action") of the  
> >instrument in complex and interesting ways.   The joy of playing a  
> >keyboard isn't in the whizz-bang sounds that it makes, it's in how it  
> >responds to your playing.
> 
> Couldn't agree with this sentiment more.  Interacting and affecting the
> tonal makeup of a sound in real-time is one of the things that made
> synthesis interesting in the early days.  Now everyone is making
> sample players .... "note on note off"... how dull and non-creative.
> Everyone wants to emulate other instruments with what amounts to a
> glorified tape recorder.
> 
> Now I have to admit that a lot of what I want to do is based on samples
> and emulating other instruments, but I also want to do a lot of weird
> creative things with sounds.  Building NEW sounds that no one has ever
> heard before.  That's why I object to these fancy new sample players  
that
> you can't download samples into!

Most of my patches are emulating real instruments too (Piano, CP-80,  
Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Clav).   I've got a Hohner Clavinet and a Rhodes 73,  
both of which I would kill to be able to synthesize accurately and not  
have to take on the road (ugh!)  Even Roland's "Rhodes" sampled pianos  
come nowhere close to a real _properly setup_ Rhodes.
  The real advantage of a powerful synthesis technique like FM is that if
you don't quite like something about the action of a patch, you can dive
in and change it in virtually any direction you like.   You can't do that  
with samples --- you're basically stuck with what you've got.   It's for
this reason that I like to stay away from sample-based synthesis  
techniques.

   For the curious, there is an analytical technique for doing FM  
resynthesis of sampled sounds, based on the analytic signal, and Hilbert
transforms.  It's described in a paper by James Justice (I think;  I can
get the full reference if anyone is interested).   It hasn't proven to
be very successful as a general sampling/resynthesis technique, but may 
be useful in specific cases.   I'm hoping to use it to duplicate the  
Rhodes sound.   I've narrowed the essential part of the Rhodes sound to
be a _stationary_ wave (i.e. the transients and initial attack *don't*  
contribute very much to the classic overdriven-pickup Rhodes sound -- this  
is quite unlike most other acoustic instruments), and a stationary wave  
will be the simplest to use this technique on.

Chris Roehrig
University of British Columbia
From: DUNN@SAFFRON.BITNET (Casey Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Wanted: MIDImouse for the Mac
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: dunn@intellicorp.com
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

You said (Re: Wanted: MIDImouse for the Mac)
> Does anybody out there have or know where I can get the Mac program MIDImouse?
> I used it at Berklee about 4 years ago and I haven't seen it since. It
> basically takes mouse input and outputs a four part harmony in a given scale.
> Anyone know who made this, where I can get a copy, etc.?
> 						Thanks,
> 						Darrin Cardani
> darrin@engin.umich.edu

Laurie Spiegel (sp) wrote this (with the help of some folks, methinks)
and the original version was released by OpCode. I beleive there were
then ports to the atari and the amiga.

OpCode then "turned it over" to Dr. T., where I think it is available
today.

It is a commercial product, and as far as I know not in the public
domain. Additionally, the manual 'requests" that any music made with
the Music Mouse give credits to the instrument (?!). this is pretty
weird.

However it is one of the guilty little pleasures of MIDI-life, this
musicmouse.

casey
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Return-Path: crispen <@ada3.ca.boeing.com:crispen@efftoo>
X-Envelope-To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:27:40 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: circuit schematics, etc
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@ada3.ca.boeing.com

Steven Miller asks about data sheets on a bunch of chips.

The only source for that kind of thing that has never failed me is
my friendly neighborhood distributor (Schweber/Lex, EMA, Pioneer).
What you want is datasheets for the parts or data books for families
of parts.  If you've got older parts that they've stopped making, maybe
your distributor still has the books lying around.

At any rate, particularly if you look like a potential buyer of things
the distributor sells (as opposed to data sheets which he usually gives
away), you can get fantastic service.  I remember once that my buddy
at Schweber gave me a data sheet on an Intel part, even though Schweber
didn't carry Intel.  He got it from the Intel distributor and drove
out to the plant to drop it off for me!

Good luck,
Bob
crispen@foxy.boeing.com
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Read the manual first (was Re: Regarding Marc Webster's K2000/SY99 comments)
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <9207282011.AA17496@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>My best advice to anybody contemplating spending between $2K and $5K on a
>synthesizer or sampler is to run a K2000 through its paces....  It
>would be definately best if you obtained the K2000 manual from Kurzweil
>(or borrow one from a dealer) and read about VAST for about a week before
>you actually play with the machine.

	I'd like to second John's excellent advice about reading the
manual in advance.  Some dealers will let you borrow one or photocopy one.
If not, you can always contact the company and buy a manual directly from
them.

	This way, you have (theoretically) full information on the instrument
before you play with it in the store.  It can make a world of difference
and can help you make a more intelligent buying decision.

                                                        Dan

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From: dcousins@bbn.com (Dave Cousins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: 4 sale church organ keyboard for DIY project
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:59:14 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

For Sale:
Dual Rank wooden Keyboard from an old Allen church organ -- 
great for a DIY controller.
66 keys on top rank, 66 on bottom.
each key has momentary contacts, that are mechanically switchable in banks --
11 banks top keyboard, 9 on bottom.

Keys are weighted and spring loaded, every thing is clean.

Priced to move at $50.00 or best offer, you pay shipping.

Dave Cousins 

(401)-831-5984 home (mach)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gpd@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (gabriel.p.deiudicibus)
Subject: Help with SY22 keyboard
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:54:52 GMT


Seeking help on Yamaha SY22 keyboard!

When my SY22 is in multi timbre mode I lose midi information. Most
notably whole notes become quarter notes etc. I doesn't matter what
midi channels they are but as long as I have two or more midi channels
playing in the multi timbre mode I lose midi note information.

If you can help,
Please call me at 908-949-5851 weekdays
and at 908-537-4016 on week nights and weekends

Thank you,
Marc Gottwerth
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: insane ramblings (was Re: SERGE (was: insane ramblings ...))
Summary: skip this article. thank you.
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:18:14 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul20.210729.2269@sal.wisc.edu> rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:
>Blather? I'm, like, ohmigod, so totally offended. It's the interconnectedness 
>of all things, don't you see? And who could call me mad for wanting a 
>studio full of tiny briefcases? 


The prosecution rests, your Honor.

--
metlay@  | 
minerva. | "This thing makes the COOLEST SOUNDS!"
phyast.  |                                          --Space Cadet Stimpy
pitt.edu |
From: dzerk@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Roland S-10 info wanted.
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:24:13 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

HELP NEED INFO ON: Roland S-10 ancient (1986) sampling keyboard.

I can get a Roland S-10 for $300.  I see from Shirriff's used price list
that this is not unreasonable.  It comes with only one disk of samples
and does *NOT* include a manual.
(I called RolandCorp US and found out I can get a manual for $20.)

I have searched for info on the S-10 and have found  an article
from Electronic Musician (Dec 86) that includes a table comparing the
features of 25 samplers--from the Casio SK-1 to the Synclavier.
This claims that the S-10 keyboard responds to both velocity and aftertouch.
Keyboard Feb 87 states the S-10 keyboard is velocity sensitive.

Currently my only keyboard is a Yamamama PSS-680 PortaSound non-velocity
sensitive (responds to velocity via midi) non-aftertouch sensitive (any way)
61 mini key thing.

I see the S-10 as a velocity responsive, probably velocity transmitting,
possibly aftertouch responsive, probably not aftertouch transmitting
49 key keyboard for $300 that happens to include a 12-bit sampler.

I would appreciate any info on the specific questions listed below.
If you insist on sending me a complete S-10 manifesto, that's OK too.

MIDI IMPLEMENTATION QUESTIONS (need to know):
1. Does the S-10 keyboard transmit velocity?
2. Does the S-10 keyboard receive velocity?
3. Does the S-10 keyboard transmit aftertouch?
4. Does the S-10 keyboard receive aftertouch?
5. Is there any way (SYSEX, sampler editing software, etc.) to store
   samples other than the S-10's disk drive?

OTHER STUFF (not life and death matters):
7. Sources of samples (on disks or as SYSEX files if possible).
8. Do owners find their S-10 useful (worth $300).
9. Any particular reasons not to spend $300 on this.
   Horror stories, etc. (I know it uses those 2" Quick dicks)
10. What happened to question number 6?

If you have an S-10 for sale for less than $300  and/or S-10 sample
disks for sale, let me know.
In light of the current thread on asking for help in this group, I was
going to post a message consisting of just the one word sentance:  S-10?
but I would really rather have a reply.  Thanks.

-Bob
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Re: Yamaha SHS-10 keyboard (strap-on) for SALE (bo over $45)
Organization: Friends of Ted Milton
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:40:52 GMT

In article <868@lock60.UUCP> dart@lock60.UUCP (Darius Taghavy) writes:
>   Yamaha SHS-10, 32 mini key strap-on MIDI FM synthesizer
>   This is a fun toy and a cool MIDI controller if you need something to
>   generate an almost complete set of MIDI messages. I used it for fun and
>   as a dedicated MIDI generator for my computer development system (so I didn't
>   have to fire up my whole rig everytime I worked on my MIDI code).
>
>   The keyboard is in excellent condition.

And the 1 cm radius pitch-bend wheel is one of the speedier modulation
controllers you'll find.

And the demo song is a gem, too!

-- 
| Randy Jones           |  Don't get me wrong, he's a nice guy,
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  |  I like him just fine.
| 608 259 0311          |  But he's a mouth breather...
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller)
Subject: Re: PAIA gear for sale
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:07:25 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt, Institut fuer Angewandte Physik

In article <1680226@hpsad.sad.hp.com> smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:

   I used to own one of these, and although I didn't use it for a reverb
   much, I did find that if you prepare the reverb springs with a little
   bit of fabric to increase their damping, that you could get some interesting
   filter effects out of the units, sort of reminiscent of the Moog string
   filter.  Of course, the bandwidth sucks, so you have to mix in some dry
   signal...

??? Moog string filter ???

Please enlighten me and the other youngsters. Or do you mean the Fixed
Filter Bank ??

	Georg.


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Survey on digital recording
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:13:23 GMT

> simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee) writes:

   How many of you who read this news group:

   1. has or would consider purchasing a home digital work station?
   1a. has or would consider purchasing an A/D and/or D/A converter?
   2. What platform would you prefer using?
   2a. Would you rather use a computer or a standalone (ie Roland)?
   3. What features would you require/like?
   4. What price range would get you into stores?
   5. How much would you be willing to spend?

Well, I am thinking along two lines:
1) Buy a DAT - hasn't caught on as much here, yet.
2) Buy a A/D D/A card for my Mac.

I'll probably do both sooner or later. I would love the new,
cheap AudioMedia II card, that gives you 2 in 4 out CD quality
tracks, and syncs with CuBase (the sequencer I use) quite
nicely. Price probably < $1,000. (I already have a lot of
hard disk, optical backup media and a decent Mac, so that's
the easiest choice for me)

I would recommend others in doing this too, though; all I
lack is the dough presently.

-- 
      Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden
                  h+@nada.kth.se    +46-10-141652

              My cat usually runs around on the roof.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen)
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Multisound
Keywords: Price
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.134319.3177@gdstech.grumman.com> soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare) writes:
>Speaking of MultiSound, I was really amused by their ad in "new MEDIA" 
>magazine, where they were comparing their sound generation capabilities 
>with some of the competition...
>
>	"Would-be "Pro" sound boards use a 14-year old
>	game technology called "FM synthesis" to generate
>	sound. This inadequate sound reproduction would
>	certainly make an embarrassing boardroom presen-
>	tation. To picture FM synthesis in your mind, 
>	think of an all-kazoo disco band playing in your
>	shower."
>
>Gee, is it really that bad?

   If you've heard a Proteus up against a DX-7, the answer is obvious: YES.
Granted, new and improved FM synths like the V-50 and SY-99 can sound pretty
good, but a REAL sample-playback machine (a la the Proteus) kick the holy
bejeezus out of them when trying to recreate any sort of real instruments.
(Unless you WANT those blips and bleeps...)  I'm drooling already, but I fear
I won't be able to afford the Multisound, since I already spent my cash on 
out-and-out music machines like the EPS and SQ-R.  It's a shame some genius 
out there can't make a generic MIDI-mapping program that substitutes sounds for
what a SB (or, more easily, the MT-32, since it's already MIDI) does.
   This is partially subjective, true, but the FM chip in the PAS-16, SB Pro,
and the like is NOT exactly the best FM has to offer, either.  The MultiSound
is guaranteed to blow away any FM card not playing back samples.  (And you
wonder why games are pushing 20 megs... digitized sound, 'cause the FM sucks!)
   Sorry this note is so long.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
| Michael Chen			| From the depths of our most lucid horrors |
|				| spring our fond hopes and pure desires... |
| mchen@groucho.cs.psu.edu	| except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92  |
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: The K2000 vs. SY99 continued...
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9207301611.AA21407


First of all Young-Chang is not about to go under.  Kurzweil USA, still
employs the most sophisticated group of sound engineers in the business,
and will continue to do so.  Yes, its true that Ray sold the company to
Young-Chang, but the result was some mega-muscle support for some of the
best electronic musical products in the industry.  So to ease the uncertainty
of the Kurzweil name and stability, look at it as an elite company which
has just been showered with all the backup support they could ever use.

Second, as far as unreliable K2000 boards go.  Except for the first one
I recieved which had a bad power supply, every defective K2000 I have ever
heard about had the keyboard connection cable loosened from rough physical
treatment.  The repair involves re-attaching the ribbon cable.  If the
stores which sold these things were at all competent, they would be able
to remedy the problem in-house.  Anyway, SweetWater Sound, who do more
Kurzweil business than just about anybody else, continues to report the K2000
to be one of the most reliable synths in their product line (and they have
a very extensive product line).  

In the realm of 'natural acoustic sounds' the sampler section of the K2000
will be the best available in any synth under $25,000.  As it is now, the
K2000 can play back S1000 disk sounds directly.  In addition, the Stratus
Sound library is available for the K2000, giving it access to some of the
most highly polished acoustic instrument samples available.  In further
addition, the whole K250 library is available for the K2000.  If you ever
get to find a non-brain dead dealer who stocks Kurzweil products, be sure
to audition some of the Status Sounds (listen to Acoustic Guitar II, it is
one of the best renditions of a classic guitar that I have ever heard,
right down to the fret buzz at high velocities).

Aleo, one should not overlook the Yamaha dealer influence pedaling which
has occured over the years.  Yamaha dealers are usually under a great deal
of pressure form the company for the maintenance of the absurd volumes of
equipment Yamaha requires them to inventory in order to remain a 'prefered'
dealer.  Since most music salesmen probably sold used cars last week, it
wouldn't be surprising to me that they try to 'flush' all the overstock of
equipment they have got heavily floorplaned as opposed to giving in on
one of the hottest keyboards currently availabble.  Hey, when a sales-droid
tells me, that all the great stuff I have been hearing about a product is
bunk and that model-x is better, my ears perk pretty quickly.  Usually the
guy is just trying to make a quick sale fo an item he has in oersupply and
which gives a better commission ratio.

John
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