From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full Force
Organization: TFS
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:20:21 GMT

I am an absolute Troglodyte, okay? It's my personal theory that the better
belief is that there is no difference between Men and Women, and that you
should begin from that premise before trying to establish differentiations.

In that light, the easiest thing to say about Men-bashing Women is:

(a) Given that they are indulinging in the behaviors that they characterize
as coming from men, they should be ignored (since they evidently don't seem
to self-aware enough to recognize it;)
(b) Where women are acting out of their 'animuses', recognize the behavior
as being overtly Male, and then you are free to treat them in the same
regard.

I'm going to get a bit weird here, okay? I am a Male; I have Mars in
Sagittarius (I'd like to fuck everyone and anyone) and I have Venus in
Pisces (they have to be nice, and solicitous of my feelings, and then if so
I will become one with them (that is my instinct.))
We all have to play particular roles, okay? The bigger question is,
do we love each other or not? When I encounter a female in an oppositional
role, especially if she cannot voice it as being a conscious choice, I
usually give up; it won't be a fair dialogue. She wants to avenge her self-
perceived historical powerlessness. I never grew up in a world where
females were relegated to any second tier. I'm not willing to buy into
such a world, either; nor then, do I have much tolerance for females who
cling to double-standards, because I expect them, out of their supposed
embracement of Male archtypes as well, to be Complete People.

I do, fuck as hell, expect people, male or female, to have absorbed these
ideas, such that they will have adapted to the new set of social
circumstances. It means that neither Male nor Female OUGHT to have refuge
in the formerly-supposed archetypes of pure-male or pure-female, and
people OUGHT to have reconciled themselves to the finding in an individual
of either gender, the archetypes and archetypal mythology of BOTH genders.

What I have encountered, however, is that females seem to see it fit,
to abuse males as of not fitting their expectations out of the "old
thinking", while curiously not admitting them to the supposedly common
model of "new thinking", wherein people have begun to realize gender
stereotypes are obsolete. I am half Female, as >>I<< understand it,
and I see that denied by females who somehow think that, as I am a male,
I am incapable of understanding "women's issues from a woman's point of
view". This is not so. HOWEVER, I will take up the male point of view
when I am challenged about this, for the simple reason that I am a thing
with an identification, and I see that thing being attacked - without
understanding. Women's liberation has not proceeded so far that women
understand the responsibility or demands men have to meet - because women
do not understand men, so far as I can tell, nor do they accept the fact
of where it is that men have to begin to come from. In that sense, from
my own understanding, I would say women have failed their OWN archetype,
in not trying to be inclusive of males (requiring to understand them.)

"other-speak" does not unite, it divides. What hostility is it that we
all have, that keep us so separated? Do we not wish to heal wounds?
Is that too simple a goal?

Shame on us who make anyone an 'other'. We are all ONE KIND.
Humans deserve lives filled with joy. Is this what we are building?
I as a male wish to heal the breach. Fuck your stereotypes.
Will it be NICE? or not. Tell me.