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From: pwg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Goldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:36:49 GMT
Reply-To: pwg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Goldberg)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <iL8NoB18w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

>Actually, I think it does.  The only force legality has is the force it is
>given by virtue of its enforcement.
>
>For example, what does "55 mph speed limit" mean?  It certainly doesn't mean
>that I don't have the right to travel at a faster speed, or that it's immoral
>for me to travel at a faster speed.  All it means is that I travel at a
>faster speed under particular circumstances, I will be punished by the state.

This reminds me of the poster featuring a picture of Einstein on a
police motorbike, with the slogan "186000 miles per second. It's not
just a good idea, it's the Law"

ObPeeve: Law Bores. You know, the kind of people who will tell you, in
any given situation, what the law is. What peeves me is that I can't
quite condemn the practice, since I think it is both commendable and
understandable. It's commendable because if you haven't a clue what
the legal situation is, you're likely to be screwed by lawyers in the
same way that people who are clueless about motor vehicle maintenance
are likely to be screwed by garage mechanics. It's understandable, at
least among the people who I associate with, since being computer
scientists there's a tendancy to want to know How It Works (this is a
similarity between laws of nature and human laws.) The trouble is, I
suspect the information people trot out on the subject is usually
unreliable, being Xth hand information, X>10. In other words, probably
bullshit.

Paul.


Voltaire to Rousseau, on reading Rousseau's "Ode a la Poste'rite'":
"Mon ami, voila une lettre qui ne sera jamais recue a son addresse"
From: baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Subject: Re: The Peever's Dictionary, Volume II
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:52:40 GMT
Organization: Atheist for the Development of a Better God

In article <l6mas0INNrh4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> banta@blagg.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking) writes:
>(Chris Baldwin) ghost-writes:
>Or, if you
>decided to fork a new personality, there's both an East Baldwin and
>West Baldwin in Maine.
	No need for that. Don can have one and I will take the other.

>>Peeve: Someone will try to shoot this theory down with some lame
>>explanation like "I've seen him in real life." or something stupid
>>like that. Obviously, since the banta apparition is able to type
>>his articles, we are dealing with a very crafty spirit. I do wonder,
>>however, how he managed to fake that picture with JZ. Perhaps it was
>>taken before his untimely demise.
>
>If you don't believe I exist, then I couldn't possibly come down to
>visit you with a couple friends, right?  You keep Crisco in the house,
>don't you.  Also, do you have your own handcuffs?

	No, I don't have any Crisco. That's something used for cooking,
isn't it? Handcuffs, yes. Crisco, no. When you get here, we can go to the
store and pick some up. Hmm, I wonder what I did with my handcuffs...
	Also, its not that I don't believe that you exist. Its just I
doubt that your metabolic processes are functioning properly. You could
visit me with a few fiends^H^H^H^H^Hriends. It is called a haunting. I
would be forced to retaliate by calling for an exorcist. Then you'd be
sorry.
-- 
Chris Baldwin                |"1984 has past. Forget about Big Brother.Welcome
baldwin@carina.unm.edu       |to the '90s, where the givernments your mother." 
                             |                     --Scatterbrain
"I say that What the Country Needs is a Drieux In Every Pot!"
From: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: more advertisements
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Organization: Penicuik People's Revolutionary Sheepdog Liberation Front

And lo, serget@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Serge A Thill) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> They don't. Build their own ones. European cooperation has not yet
> succeded to make the the French and English build the same war planes.
				      ^^^^^^^
You do realise that due to this minor slip (so much for the Auld Alliance),
1500 broadsword wielding berserk Highlanders are at this very moment
heading towards Sussex in a fleet of armoured minibuses, intent on wreaking
havoc on your person? You have my condolences. Do it *again* and we'll send
down Mike to make you listen to Hawkwind records. The vengeance of 1500
dangerous men in kilts with enormous swords is terrible indeed, but even it
pales in comparison to Mr Holmes playing you 372 different versions of
"Silver Machine" and enthusing manically over the infinitesimally small
differences between each one.

Anyway, you're wrong. SEPECAT was a consortium of British Aerospace (or was
it BAC back in those days?) and some French firm (Aerospatiale?) and
together they produced the Jaguar. Seems like an example of co-operation to
me.

If I was being *really* pedantic, I could throw in the Puma, Gazelle and
Lynx helicopters. The first two were French designs (Aerospatiale again I
think) that were also built in the UK and the Lynx was a Westland design
which was also built (in France, methinks) in its navalised version for the
French Navy. But I'm not, so I won't.

Peeve: knowing that Geoff is going to spot any mistakes I've made in the
above. Sorry, but my av-knowledge is getting distinctly rusty these days.
Ten years ago I could probably have told you the serial numbers of the
British and French production batches.

--
		Not Al Crawford - Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk
     "The water shines/A sheepdog skips across the face/A dozen times"
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Oh, and one more ...
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:34:51 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <l6r896INN3p9@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>
>In article <17076@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>
>>People have utterly no sense of humor about their school mascots. 
>
>I'm *still* incredulous about the change of Stanford's mascot.  The teams
>from Stanford used to be known as the Indians -- a fine mascot, that, with
>implications of fierceness and pride, and a real slice of Americana to
>boot.
>
>But then the Humorless People stepped in and claimed that this mascot was
>demeaning to "Native Americans" -- known in the real world, of course, as



What is really sad about the whole thing is that there was a local retiree
who is a full-blooded Indian who enjoyed *being* the mascot. He would show
up, wearing a full headdress and get lots of attention. I imagine he got
into the games for free. He was very unhappy when he found out he could
not march around and have a good time being the resident Indian.

I don't know about how other Indians feel about the matter. 

I wonder if Notre Dame's Fighting Irish are next. I suspect they will hang
in there for a while. If it were the Drunken Irish......


ER
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left a note. --Tim Mefford
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:47:25 EDT
From: Jenni Sheehey <JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
 <92206.093638JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> <24151@castle.ed.ac.uk>
 <1992Jul27.104010.26325@cs.yale.edu> <24169@castle.ed.ac.uk>

In article <24169@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) says:
>yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:
>
>>No, the argument that the government shouldn't be coercing people is naive.
>>What the hell do you think our governments are for, besides coercing
>>people?
>
>Protecting people and their rights?

And how do they do that except for coercing other people?

                                                 --Jenni
From: suss@sys.sweden.dg.com (Susanne)
Subject: Re: An even more peeveful BDI driver peeve
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:07:23 GMT
Organization: Bad

In article <92198.192927JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jenni Sheehey 
> UnrelatedHint: Women should not wear bikini underwear that is too tight
> under close fitting slacks.  Especially not fat women.

Fat women should not wear close fitting slacks. Other women should not
wear underwear under close-fitting clothes.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Coming soon...
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Activists
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:33:26 GMT

larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.052254.15134@news.iastate.edu> z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>   --
>   <Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
>                                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   <z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
>   <viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >

>Would those be Ariel square fours? A favorite anti-peeve of mine! The 1931
>500cc model was black, with a chrome tank, and dual fish tail mufflers.
>1932 enlarged to 600cc and 1936 it went to 995cc. Lovely.

	Of course they're square fours!  Do you honestly think angels,
potent minions of a diety, would ride anything less?  "Lovely" is not
a strong enough word to describe these bikes.  A friend who owns one
calls it his "orgasmatron" because he wants to cream his jeans every
time he looks at it.  Since it's proudly displayed in his living room,
this happens fairly often.  As you might suspect, he's not married.

>/PeeveSupremo: 1950 HRD Rapide. 998cc of sweet Vincent.
>
>Larry of Arabia couldn't have picked a better way to die.

	I wish I could so out on such a beast.  My luck, I'll die in
an accident involving a Pinto, a Gremlin, and my Honda.  Sigh!

	Maybe the Pinto will explode, giving me some sort of decent
score on the "cool demise" scale.


--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
From: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Oh, and one more ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:49:05 GMT
Reply-To: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Organization: Penicuik People's Revolutionary Sheepdog Liberation Front

And lo, carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> Peeve:  I wish they *had* chained themselves to the trees.  Then
> they wouldn't be building the new building, which involves all sorts
> of complicated maneuvers with construction equipment

We're getting a new building on campus here too (Peeve: they're building it
on the sight of Ye Olde Scenic Carpark, one of the few sizeable areas of
clear ground left on campus). The major antipeeve though is that they seem
to be dropping the building quite neatly into the carpark site without
damaging any of the surroundings. There's some rather nice gardens about 2
metres from where the corner of the new building is going to be, and they
haven't been touched.

The new building is to be a new mouse-house, wherein biological types can
do things to rodents. One aspect of the new building is, however, *very*
worrying. At the moment it's just foundation + perhaps two layers of
bricks. This means that the innards of the building are quite visible to
anyone passing by.

In the centre of the building, in a large pit, they are building a cage. A
cage with bars made of 2cm thick steel. Just what the hell sort of mice are
they planning to keep in *that*?

--
		Not Al Crawford - Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk
     "The water shines/A sheepdog skips across the face/A dozen times"
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: pfinkel@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (paul.d.finkel)
Subject: Bike Helmets
Keywords: bikes, safety, law
Organization: World Wide Cold Cuts
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:47:46 GMT

My peeve: New Jersey has a law that mandates that children 
riding bicycles must wear a helmet. 

While I do not object to other people wearing bicycle helmets, 
why must my kids wear them? Instinctively I would say that kids 
have fewer accidents riding bikes than adults because they spend 
more time on bikes and because they have sharper reflexes.

I also feel that it is unfair for children to be forced to wear a 
helmet when adults are not. If children could vote, this law would
have never been passed.

Other peeves: The town I live in (Edison,NJ) has bent over backwards
to accomodate building contractors (aka scum of the earth). Now, 
I feel forced to sell my house because the road I am living on will 
become much busier because of the needs of one of these contractors.
The worst part of all this is that I am forced to perform menial chores 
such as spackling, painting and working on the yard. I recently finished
the complete remodeling of my kitchen: new walls, windows, appliances,
ceramic floor, etc. I am sick of working on my house!

Why does my town pay its teachers one of the highest average salaries 
in NJ and not produce students with comparably high average SAT scores?
What are we paying all that money for? [Note to the politically correct: 
SAT scores are an accurate and fair and standardized test of a student's 
ability to think in a logical fashion under a great deal of stress.
While it might seem that these tests only test a student's "test taking 
ability", that ability is equivalent to the abilities that adults must 
possess in order to succeed in our society.]

-- 
Do unto others ... then split.

					--- Mary Ann Stasium
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: pmmuggli@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu  (pauline muggli)
Subject: peevesome question
Originator: mdtll@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, Univ. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:05:44 GMT


i have this question that pops into my mind every time i see an
add for a lawyer on tv.  

if you were a doctor, would you want to have as a patient a
person who specializes in medical malpractice?  or a member of
their immediate family?

pauline
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:53:58 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <l7dfmrINNnbk@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>
>In article <24249@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>
>What?  You mean there's really no Swedish Olympic Suicide Team?!?!
>

Its the hig dive team. After the Olympics are over, they will go home
and drain the pool before practice.

ER
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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Annoying Psuedo Professionals
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:52:23 GMT


I personally was NOT going to mix work and pleasure, but
recent events at the WorkSite have OBLIGED me to stand up
and speak out against FrivilousPsuedoProfessionals.

At one point many of these persons had earned my respect for
their technical skills, and competence, and I felt free to
ask them any question under the sun about what was going on.

{I have also felt free to ask them questions under the floor
tiles, around the corner of Larger HyperCube, BlackHoleGenerating
State of the Art, complete an Infinite Loop in 30 seconds machines as well...}

But recently they have all TURNED ON ME!

They no Longer Answer my questions in a Meaningful Manner
and now frivilously annoy me with irrelevent things like
the TRUTH! If I wanted the truth I would as a Philosopher!!!!

These People REALLY have got to stop wasting other people's
Time, Mine in particular, with useless Truthful answers that
Do NOT give me what I want!!!!!

ciao
drieux


-- 
I Do Not Believe in .sig files
as they are such a Known Waste Of BandWidth,
And Therefore Not a Morally UpRight Choice.
But I Can See the HideousHienousHandOfHeteroSexualityBehindItAll.
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:49:43 GMT
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Activists


 parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

>>Where are you going to draw the line?  Who should draw said line?

>I get to draw it. Know why? Because all the rest of the world is stupid,
>and malignantly stupid at that. So *I* will draw the line, and
>all of you will either toe it or be taken out and shot, with
>the rest of the refuse....

	"Meet the new boss...  Same as the old boss..."  tum tee tum
tee tum...  Ah, my goodness!  How Rock and Roll has infected my mind.

>Look, you dumb bastards, unless you are willing to go buy an
>island somewhere, and never see another human again, you are
>going to have to realize that you are *both* right (and the
>other guy is wrong, I know I know...Someone shoot Sorenson
>please?)...

	And just *where* did this come from?  I didn't see my site
in the reference lines, so it wasn't something I said.  Well, at least
not on this subject.  Besides, I've already been shot.  Twice, as a
matter of fact.  I'm not saying what happened to the guy that shot me.


--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 07:45:59 GMT
Organization: Holy Order of Quadra 950 Lust

In article <1992Jul23.124105.11048@dg-rtp.dg.com> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
>|> Gosh, an astral *Smokey and the Bandit*! My engorged mantool is already 
>|> reaching for the stars!!!
>|> 
>|> Don't forget the platform shoes and the mood ring, John-boy. Four out 
>|> of five unwashed holy men stress the importance of 70s accouterments
>|> when communicating with the dead.
>
>Glad you pointed this out.  You left out tie-dyed clothing, a bong, love
>beads, a peace-symbol necklace, CokeSnuff (tm), a lava lamp, and incense.
>In deference to Carol, we'll use patchouli incense (we used to be able to
>get patchouli CokeSnuff (tm) too, but I doubt that it can be found any more.)
>
>The procession will consist of a long line of astral VW microbuses with 
>Elaine's favorite large flowers plastered all over them.

Wait a minute, wait a minute. All of that stuff is *60s*. Sure, it existed
in the 70s, but it didn't have the same tackiness as the "Ten-four good
buddy; keep on truckin'" t-shirts which karma-jockeys prize.

Jeez. Might as well wear a black turtleneck and carry bongo drums around...

Peeve: What's the deal with those micro-beards? Y'know the ones that I'm
talking about; the things that Peter, Paul & Mary used to wear. (Well I
never saw Mary wear one, but maybe she did too.) Is it the new hip
thang to do? 

-- 
| _   ;/                                                          Dan Hillman
|(")_/   "I'm right and you're not."                   hillman@carina.unm.edu
|~~/                                                 University of New Mexico
|~/                                               Land of Fucking Enchantment
From: sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Newbie Alert!
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:55:01 -0500

In article <92210.194707JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jenni Sheehey <JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>By the way, does anyone else have the sense that jenni is the "Dan Quayle"
>>of alt,peeves... or is it just me.
> 
> Well, if you mean that as: "A person who, for some reason (Me: being
> from PSUVM, DQ: being generally not too bright) ends up being a target
> for unimaginative people who take parts of what they say out of context
> and ridicule them regardless of the merit of the ideas behind them,"
> I guess I can see the parallel.

No, Jen. Both you and dan quayle are light-weights who hold politically
outmoded opinions and justify those  opinions with "That's just the way it
is." Obviously a throwback to the religious "faith" arguements.
As for taking things out of context... there is no need when dan quayle speaks.
			"...ah but don't you believe them"

> FreeFact: Most people polled in all of the radio polls by major stations
> agreed with Dan Quayle that a child is better off with both parents.
> 
> People generally agree that what is done in Hollywood affects what is done
> in the rest of the country.  Har har har, what what a stupid point he was
> trying to make.

Another FreeFact: All the rest of the people in the world polled agreed that
anyone seeking the office of President (or Vice-President) or responds
to lame radio polls have no life, no brain and needn't be heeded as anything
they say will invariably be greeted by a groan and taken with a grain of salt.

peeve: waking up after sleeping with some sufficiently protruding body part
resting firmly on the eyelid and having to deal with 20/100 vision through that
eye for most of the day.

Scott A. Chasse
U of Fl-Ft. Lauderdale
Research Station

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: elliott-bruce@CS.YALE.EDU (Bruce Elliott)
Subject: Re: Newbie Alert!
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:10:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.165501.1365@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>
>peeve: waking up after sleeping with some sufficiently protruding body part
>resting firmly on the eyelid and having to deal with 20/100 vision through that
>eye for most of the day.
>

This conjures up some really, um, unusual mental images.


Alex Elliott
The Lemming.
elliott@minerva.cs.yale.edu

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: yarvin@highlite.uucp (Curtis Yarvin)
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:24:02 GMT

In article <92206.093638JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> Jenni Sheehey <JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) says:
>
>>Well, it astounds me that it should be legal to have employers for
>>whom one is working be allowed to test you, too.  Not so long ago,
>>it was legal to have them make you sign a statement that you'd never
>>belonged to a political party that they didn't like, but those wackos
>>from the ACLU got all uptight about that, so they had to stop.
>
>It is not *illegal* to belong to, say, the communist party.  It *is*
>illegal to take, well, illegal drugs.
>
>Peeve: People who think that people have a *right* to indulge in illegal
>activities.  You have a right to try to change the law.  You don't have a
>right to disobey it.  If you can get away with it, fine, but don't get
>all huffy if you get caught.

The wisdom of the sages.  Duh.

"Why is doing drugs wrong?"
	"Because it's illegal."

"Why are drugs illegal?"
	"Because, uh, they're _wrong_."

Peeve: people of such feeble moral sense that they have to latch onto their
neighbors', like ants in a flood-ball.  Look, peaches, _you_ might think
everything that's legal is right and everything that's illegal is wrong,
but some of us have a less sheeplike view of life, and we don't appreciate
being sheared along with the rest of the flock.

When I think the law is wrong, I _break_ it.  If this confounds your supine
morality, very well.  Despise me, spit on me, send me to whatever tinpot hell
you reserve for lowlife delinquents who don't do what they're told when
they're told to do it.  The company, after all, will be first-rate; could I
mind a spot in the same infernal circle as Samuel Adams, Nat Turner, Henry
David Thoreau, Martin Luther King, and Edward Abbey?

c