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From: frank2@odie.ee.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Advice needed -> South Africa
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:28:45 GMT

In article <lkkdkiINNdb1@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:

>South Africa is a beautiful place!  It's just about Autumn now, the
>weather will be crisp and clear.  If you're in Johannesburg, try
>visiting the Hillbrow Tower for a great restaurant and view of the
>city.  

Because of the risk of someone trying to blow it up, the Hillbrow Tower is 
now closed to the public.

>looks like a tablecloth.  Durban has a nice dock.  I don't remember
>the townships, but they are a good experience.

A trip to SA would be incomplete without going to see the conditions in 
black townships like Soweto. If you take a guided tour, find out about it 
first - there are some govt. organised/sponsored ones that are biased, 
concentrating on the more affluent areas and ignoring much of the political 
and social history. Many tours are criticised by the township residents for 
treating them like a zoo.

>If you go into Pretoria, they have beautiful Jacarandas lining the
>streets by the embassies.

Best time for Jacarandas is December. Sadly they have lost their flowers and 
Johannesburg and Pretoria have changed back from purple to green.

>If you want to gamble, go into neighbouring Swaziland (northeast),

The premier gambling resort is Sun City, situated in an "independant 
homeland" a few hours North of Johannesburg. A new complex called  The Lost 
City has just opened up there, and is worth looking at if you're into 
that sort of thing.

>that I've never seen in the US.  The exchange is somewhat cheaper now,
>$1 to 1.something Rand.  The big paper is the Rand Daily Mail (at
>least, that's what it was 14 years ago.)

Exchange rate is around $1 to R3 = very cheap for Americans. The Rand Daily 
Mail aint no more.

>Most likely, you'll fly into Jan Smuts Airport.  He was a famous dude
>from the Boer Wars.  I don't remember all my history lessons, sniff...

Smuts was Prime Minister around the time of WW2. He wrote the preamble to 
the charter of the United Nations too.

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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: How do you get from Bergamo airport to Malpensa airport (Milan)
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:04:14 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
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In article <!d+3gxb@rpi.edu>,  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes:
|
|>   There's a bus between Milan Central train station and Malpensa.
|>   Count on 2 hours since it comes at irregular intervals, despite the
|>   schedule.  It costs 10kL.  Dunno about Bergamo.

I took this bus last week, and it only took about 50 minutes 
to get from Stazione Centrale to Malpensa.  That's still a 
long time;  Malpensa seems to be a very inconveniently located
airport.   I was envious of the people who were taking trains
directly to the airports in Pisa or Rome.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: henry@ilx018.intel.com (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Seattle info needed
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:20:28 GMT
Organization: Intel Israel (74) Ltd.
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Theo Heavey (theo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu) wrote:
: I will be traveling to Seattle, WA in late Feb with a friend to
: visit the University. Any suggestions on:

<  --- excess deleted --- >

Use the Youth Hostel which is excellent. Centrally located, clean, cheap.
--
David Henry, Intel Corporation, Haifa, ISRAEL
henry@iil.intel.com phone +972 435 5019 fax +972 435 5639
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Subject: Re: Flying to South Africa
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:35:19 GMT

ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:

>What kind of information do people out there have on flying to South
>Africa in late December/early Jan 1994/1994? I want to leave from
>Boston or Montreal, and get back to Minneapolis.  I would believe that
>flying NW from BOS to AMS and then KLM from AMS to South Africa going
>and KLM from South Africa to AMS and then AMS to MSP on the way back
>would be the best (ande cheapest) way to go.. does anyone have any
>other suggestions?

Most large european airlines do serve both, North-America and South
Africa (Brithish, KLM, AirFrance, Lufthansa, Alitalia, Swissair,
Olympic, SAS?, ...). Maybe there is one airline, that can give you
the desired combination. Other possibilities are to fly with some cheap
ticket to one big hub in Europe (London-LHR, Paris-CDG, Frankfurt,
Amsterdam, Brussels, ...) and then continue with another cheap ticket
to SA. I could think of quite some possibilities. South African
Airways is also serving JFK and some european destiantions.

>Would be it be cheaper to buy a ticket on SAA from NY-JNB RT and then
>another from JFK to MSP on Northwest? The advantage of flying KLM and
>NW are the miles.

What combination will be the cheaptest is hard to say. Ask a few
good travel agents. They should be able to tell you. You might end
up with some combination you never thought about ...

Hope this helps a little bit,

Peter Loibl
pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
From: tmd@austin.lockheed.com (Tom Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Orlando without Mickey
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:55:27 GMT
Organization: "Lockheed Austin Division, 6800 Burleson Rd, Austin, TX 78744

In article <C0Dxty.EJw.1@cs.cmu.edu> jcm+@CS.CMU.EDU (Chris McGlone) writes:
>The family unit and I will be heading to Orlando in April for a conference.
> ... Is there life in Orlando outside of Disney?

Cypress Cove, in Kissimmee, is one of the finest nudist resorts in the
country -- and one of the happiest places for kids (or adults, for that
matter) to be that I've seen yet. If you'd be interested in trying it,
E-write me and I'll E-mail info back.

-- 
   Tom Davis                    Internet address: tmd@austin.lockheed.com
	"Imagine there's no countries; it isn't hard to do;
	 Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion, too."
   [Disclaimer: I speak for nobody but me - and sometimes not even that.]
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From: jpl@lyra.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Lavigne)
Subject: Re: Vermont Sightseeing
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: world,local
Date:  9 Jan 93 05:05:42 GMT

tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes:

>4. Go to Burlington, it's a college town. Perhaps take the ferry across
>   the lake. Lake Placid, NY is not that far away..
A bit difficult during the winter, since Lake Champlain freezes over
completely around the end of January.
When I was back in Vermont the last two weeks in December, unfortunately
there wasn't much snow. Of course the ski resorts make their own, but that's
not the same thing, is it?
A nice drive through southern Vermont is route 7, which goes up the western
part of the state. Burlington, where I grew up, is quite a pleasant town,
though too many streets these days look like El Camino Real on the S.F.
Peninsula to suit the taste of us former native Vermonters. The University of
Vermont campus (UVM to Vermonters) has some nice buildings, particularly the
old library building, which was designed by H. H. Richardson in the 1880's
and a 1920's chapel done by the firm of McKim, Mead, and White. The Shelburne
Museum, south of Burlington, has one of the best collections of 18th and 19th
century Americana in the US, including complete buildings and a marvelous
collection of old carriages. I believe it recently started opening during the
winter months. Hope you enjoy your trip
Jonathan Lavigne          BL.JPL@RLG.STANFORD.EDU
Research Libraries Group/Stanford University

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From: wlim@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Willie Lim)
Subject: Travelogues and rec.travel.travelogues???
Organization: Grumman Corporation, Bethpage, New York, USA.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:51:16 GMT

Before formally proposing the formation of rec.travel.travelogues, I
wonder what people think of having such a newsgroup.

Reasons for having rec.travel.travelogues:
1) rec.travel has lots of legitimate traffic, as a result travelogues
   can get "lost" in there.
2) Travelogues are personal reports of their trip (sort of a story
   based on a person's travel experience), hence having a newsgroups
   dedicated to such stories make sense.
3) Having a dedicated newsgroup for travelogues makes it easier for
   people to look up old travelogues (particularly when the travelogues
   are archived).
4) Discussion related to posted travelogues need not further clutter
   up rec.travel.

Let's discuss this a little while.


Willie
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: steve@oceania.com
Subject: Re: Wild animal park Valejo (sp??) CA. Any comments
Reply-To: steve@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:40:03 GMT

robert.m.atkins writes

> I will be out in the Bay area in February and I am interested in wildlife
> photography. In addition to the usual sites (Pt. Lobos, Monteray, Ano Nuevo
> etc.) I am wondering if a visit to the wild animal park (or whatever it is
> really called) in Valejo (hope the spelling is close) is worth it?  I don't
> like (and don't visit) places where the animals "perform" for the public.

It's called Marine World Africa USA and I don't think you would find it to  
your liking.  The animals are primarily performers.  I took my girlfriend  
there and she was sorely disappointed.  Of course, being a former San Diego  
Wild Animal Park employee, she has very high standards.

> Could anyone who has visited this park give me some idea of what I might
> find there in the way of photographic oportunities.

I don't mean to imply that you wouldn't come home with some good pictures  
from there, it's just that most of them would be of the non-natural looking  
variety.  They do have a very nice butterfly exhibit (well, they did earlier  
last year, I'm not sure if it's still there) that offered some good (the best  
there, in fact) photo opportunities for me.  I did not care for most of the  
animal shots because all the backgrounds were stages and walls and those  
kinds of things.  This did not appeal to me because I already have a host of  
pictures I took at the SD Wild Animal Park (some of them on a photo caravan,  
where the truck takes you out amongst the animals) and I must say that they  
are stunning.  Some of them look like I was in Africa (at least to me and a  
few of the people I showed them to).  I know it's probably too far for you to  
travel, but if you're ever in San Diego, I highly recommend visiting the Wild  
Animal Park (this is different than the zoo which is also a nice place to  
visit).  Be sure to bring a hefty telephoto unless you get to go on a photo  
caravan.
 
> I understand it is quite expensive ($20+?) - is it worth the expense and 
> effort to go there (I will be staying in San Jose)?

Again, I would say probably not.

Cheers,

Steve
-- 
          Steve Dakin           | "I don't want these.  Give me big shoes."
  Oceania Health Care Systems   | 
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 steve@oceania.com (NeXT mail)  |    saying in that Nike ad.
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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: South Pacific
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:10:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1993Jan11.162318.956@imec.be> vandenb1@imec.be (Dirk Vandenheuvel) writes:
>Hi,
>
>we plan to visit the south pacific region ( Papua-New
>Guinea, New Zealand, Austrialia and islands in this region )
>during july/august this year.  We have about a month and
>a half and would like to keep things cheap.  Any 
>suggestions of what to do, nice travel routes, musts and
>donts would be much appreciated.

  Read Paul Theroux's book on his travels through that region 
  before/while you travel -- it will add an interesting dimension.
                                        

---peter
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: adventure in latin- and southamerika
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:57:26 GMT
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden


 Hi! does anybody out there have any good tips on adventurous travels
in Latin- and South America? For example some nice places with waterfalls
in the jungle which would require going by feet through jungle or by horse..
Thankful for any kind of info!




---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my OWN,
               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Northern Europe)
Newsgroups: rec.travel

Any idea on which weather I should expect in Hawaii between
February 1st and February 15th ?

Pls. e-mail directly: mik@hpbbn.bbn.hp.com

Thanks.

Mik
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From: crippa@inf.ethz.ch (Davide Crippa)
Subject: Re: How To Say "Thank You"
Keywords: thanks, italian
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:16:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.215617.25952@epas.toronto.edu> dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow) writes:
>In article <C0pIJu.15p@Novell.COM> dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich) writes:
>>
>>Spanish--Gracias; Muchas gracias (Thanks; Thanks a lot)
>>Italian--Gratzi; Multa (??) Gratzi
>
>The spelling in Italian is grazie; the z does, however, have a"tz"
>sound, but you pronounce the i e separately, i.e. gratz-i-e. It is
>molto grazie for thanks very much
>^^^^^

The right spelling here is MOLTE GRAZIE or GRAZIE MILLE (thousand thanks)

>
>
>>Russian--Spasiba; Spasiba balshoy (the "da svedania" in the other post
>>         means "good-bye"!)
>>Hebrew--Toda; Toda raba
>>Arabic--Shukran; ??
>
>
Davide (yes, italian native language)


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker)
Subject: chicago, illinois
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: none
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:53:43 GMT

I was recently in Chicago on business, and did not have a chance to do any
"fun" things. I'd like to come back, but wonder what "fun" things there are
to do there.

I like dance clubs (modern) and I also like jazz. Museums, restaurants, and
historical sites also interest me. If there are any "must sees" in Chicago,
let me know!! Please post.

Thanks,
		Lynn

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             expects the                          walker@ingres.com
         spanish inquisition!!!                    toronto, canada
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From: stevev@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Steve Van Daele)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: What to "not miss" in Las Vegas?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:53:49 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

<1993Jan4.210247.11057@netcom.com> <1993Jan5.171442.6894@unet.net.com>
Reply-To: stevev@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Steve Van Daele)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego
Keywords: 

Valley of fire north of Las Vegas is nice place to visit. Lake Mead is close
by also. Next to gambling, cheap food at the casino buffets is the biggest
attraction. 

Have fun.
-- 
    Steve.VanDaele@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM   
    NCR CORP                       Network Products Group - San Diego   
    9900 Old Grove Road            San Diego, CA 92131-1685
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From: martel@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (georgine.martel)
Subject: Bare-boat charters in South Pacific
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:29:58 GMT
Keywords: bare-boats, charters, sailing, south pacific

A group of people I know plan to charter bare-boats to sail in the South 
Pacific (actually, in the Kingdom of Tonga, which is east of Fiji and south
of Samoa) this May. The leader found a charter company called Morings, but they 
charge about 3 times what he usually pays. 

Would any netters know of any other boat charter companies in the area, 
their addresses and phone numbers? If so, please reply to my e-mail address, 
gina@library.att.com 

thanks,

Gina Martel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Hotel Review: The Paramount, New York City
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:23:04 GMT

sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) wrote: 
->Over the holidays, I spent 3 nights at the recently reopened Paramount
->Hotel in New York City. 

it's not *that* recent ...

->The hotel is *very* modern (like stepping into one of the design
->exhibits at the MOMA - all 1990s).  The doormen wear nice black suits
->and Tshirts instead of looking like throwbacks to the 19th century.

they didn't have t-shirts in the 19th century ... :)

->The small newstand in the lobby sells only black and white photographs
->for postcards.  There are fresh red roses stuck into walls.

yes, she's right: stuck into the walls (the entry corridor has little
wells built into the walls for the roses).

->The standard-level rooms are quite small (it was a bit of a squeeze
->between the bottom of the bed and the wardrobe), but I found it good enough.

the standard rooms are *very* small.  people used to larger will be
disappointed.

->On the mezzanine level all around the lobby (almost every table overlooks
->it) is the hotel restaurant, which was moderately priced ...

i'm not at all sure we ate at the same place ... it was a fun place to
eat, but not at all moderately priced ... perhaps "moderately priced
(for a hotel restaurant)."

->The hotel has a fitness room and children's play room, neither of
->which I saw.  They can also arrange for a sitter.  And they are
->planning to open a nightclub, which given the atmosphere and general
->hipness-quotient of the place could be quite good.

they also have a screening room where movies are screened nightly for
$1.

->The biggest plus is the price:  regular prices are $155-$200 a night,
->with weekend packages available. 

these get even lower off-season ...

->All in all, a good deal for a high-quality hotel conveniently located
->in the theatre district (between the museum district and the hipper
->areas of lower Manhattan).  I highly recommend it.

i had a small security problem there (basically, i locked my key in my
room, went to the front desk and explained my situation, and they
replaced it ... without verifying that i was who i claimed to be, or
that i had any right to be in that room).  i reported this to
management after i left, and they assure me the issue has been visited
in recent staff meetings and that this should not be a problem again.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: vandenb1@imec.be (Dirk Vandenheuvel)
Subject: South Pacific
Organization: IMEC V.Z.W,Interuniversitair Micro Electronica Centrum, Belgium
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:23:18 GMT

Hi,

we plan to visit the south pacific region ( Papua-New
Guinea, New Zealand, Austrialia and islands in this region )
during july/august this year.  We have about a month and
a half and would like to keep things cheap.  Any 
suggestions of what to do, nice travel routes, musts and
donts would be much appreciated.

thanx, Dirk
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From: isolot@ciba-geigy.ch (Dr. Philippe Solot)
Subject: Good offer for Thailand
Reply-To: isolot@ciba-geigy.ch (Dr. Philippe Solot)
Organization: Ciba-Geigy AG, Basel, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:00:49 GMT

 

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==============================================================================

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Eurail Pass;Thank you;one more querry
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:17:07 GMT

linden@devl.fnal.gov wrote: 
->> 
->> Well... you guys have been to all these places -- Italy,Spain,
->> Switzerland,France,Greece,Germany etc. Is it fare to say that
->
->No visa is necessary for these countries.

on this topic it is important to make complete statements ...
specifically, "no visa is necessary for us passport holders visiting
these countries for short periods and tourist purposes."

it is better to get visa information from the horse's mouth; usually
the national consulates or tourist offices are the best for this.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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