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From: madere@julius.austin.ibm.com (Steve Madere)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:20:56 GMT
Reply-To: madere%aixserv@uunet.uu.net
Organization: IBM, Austin


In article <1992Aug27.184041.16909@dg-rtp.dg.com>,
shef@cuervo.rtp.dg.com (Tom Sheffield) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug21.182039.22736@engage.pko.dec.com>,
stu@otop23.oto.dec.com (Stuart MacKay) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> So, what do you guys (and girls) wear?
|> |> 
|> I wear a Lifejacket that is made for a particular type of kayak called
|> a "squirt" boat. I don't know anything about kayaking but the jacket
|> works great for windsurfing.
|>  The one I have is made by "Extrasport" and I've seen them in "REI" catalogs
|> and stores. They cost about $55-60. I got mind in a kayak shop.

   I found a solution by going to REI and looking for a child's lifejacket.
   These are smaller than adult jackets so they stay out of your hook.
   Since the jacket starts at the top of your shoulders and ends above
   your navel, the flotation is all placed very high so you tend 
   to float more upright.  If you sail with a wetsuit the flotation in
   a child's jacket is plenty to keep you above the surface.

   The jacket that I selected is a water skiing style jacket and
   has three buckles.  The side panels have alot of slack to allow for
   expansion.  Since it is child sized, the chest flotation panels are
   narrow compared to my body so my arms are not restricted at all.  

   My suggestion in selecting such a jacket is to get the smallest
   one that you can put on with the straps expanded to their longest
   setting.  You should make sure however that the lowest strap on
   the jacket is below the widest point in your chest so that you
   can keep it from riding up while you float.

Steve Madere
(Do not reply with R! use the following address)
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: Looking for a Wind Talker
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 02:10:52 GMT

In article <jeffb.1bdm@terapin.com> jeffb@terapin.com (Jeffrey Bean) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.161623.20514@engage.pko.dec.com>, stu@otop23.oto.dec.com
>(Stuart MacKay) writes:
>>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>I am looking for the possibility of installing a device which can read the
>>current wind speed and direction that I could phone into and it could tell
>>me what is happening.
>>
>>The local weather office is less than useless.
>>
>>Apparently, there are devices in San Francisco called a Wind Talker.  This
>>appears to do exactly what I want however, I have no idea where or who to 
>>talk to about it. 
>>
>>Any leads?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Stu MacKay
>>Ottawa, Canada
>
>    Try Radio Shack, pal.

Or, call the Saint Francis Yacht Club in S.F. and ask them where they got
their's.  I have a feeling that the costs associated with buying and operating
a wind-talker are not trivial.
Andy
From: jackg@bears.ucsb.edu (Jack Greenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:35:26 GMT
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In-reply-to: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 16:46:19 GMT

In article <thompson.714847579@daphne.socsci.umn.edu> thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:

   I don't find the arguments that wetsuit+harness = enough flotation to
   be true for me.  I got bonked on the head once by another guy's mast.
   I was pretty glad I had a real PFD on then.  Freak accidents do happen
   and a PFD might save your life.

There are two types of PFD's, those designed for extra flotation, and
those designed to keep an unconcious person's head out of the water so
they don't drown. The former wouldn't help in this case, and I find a
helmet easier to swim with.

I've heard more people tell me about getting wacked by someone elses
mast then there own. I wear a helmet when sailing in a crowd, or when on
something smaller than a 5.0. It gives me one less thing to worry about
when getting slammed (and keeps my sunglasses from flying away).

   About point 3.  Is there any place in the U.S. were the law says that
   it is OK _not_ to have one?

There are no regs for windsurfers here in California, only common sense.




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From: vlasis.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Thanks  Andrew !
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:25:57 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Hey ,Gorge addicts out there ... 
This weekend I got catapulted by my 3.0 on my Hi Tech. Were was it ?
Try key Biscane in Miami beach . 
It was 4 hrs before and after huricane Andrew struck. 15 foot waves and
60+ knots made Hookipa look like a swimming pool.
When Andrew hit us with 160+ knots ,I was sleeping like a log .

vlasis 
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From: JROCK@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: North Booms
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:03:09 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I was sailing last Friday on a perfect 5.0 day at Coyote Pt.
Everything was perfect, then all of a sudden I felt something
give a little. Next thing I know I'm flying through the air
with half a boom in my hand! The boom broke a couple inches back
from the clamp-on, right where there is a bend in the aluminum
tubing. This is the second time I've had this happen with a
North boom. Both times the boom was only a few months old. At
least this time I still have the receipt, and should be able
have it covered under warranty.

    Has anyone had this problem with North booms ?

       I know one thing for sure , I've bought my last one !!!!!
From: btcx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: request posting to alt.best.of.internet or alt.best-of-internet
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:41:47 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Could somebody please post vlasis' post to alt.best-of-internet?  the finish is
classic, imnsho.  i can't post to that group.  NOW DON'T EVERYBODY DO IT, JUST
SEND ME MAIL AND I'LL CONTACT THE FIRST PERSON I HEAR FROM TO DO IT. (OR SHOULD
I MAKE THAT THE 15TH CALLER...;-).  thanks. in case you lost it, here's the
original (post sans >'s): 

From: vlasis.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Thanks  Andrew !
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:25:57 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Hey ,Gorge addicts out there ... 
This weekend I got catapulted by my 3.0 on my Hi Tech. Were was it ?
Try key Biscane in Miami beach . 
It was 4 hrs before and after huricane Andrew struck. 15 foot waves and
60+ knots made Hookipa look like a swimming pool.
When Andrew hit us with 160+ knots ,I was sleeping like a log .

vlasis 
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HOW THE HELL DO I EXIT THIS EDITOR ?
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OH ! I GOT IT 
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From: somlo@swifty.dap.CSIRO.AU (Peter Somlo)
Subject: Right of way
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Applied Physics, Sydney
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:45:56 GMT

I ususally apply the rule (which I've learned as a kid snow-skiing) that
the more experienced (skier)sailor gives way to the less experienced one.
In practice it seems to work, and I dont't mind showing who is more in
control of his craft.
-- 
Dr Peter I. Somlo FIEEE | CSIRO Div. Appl.Phys. | "Every coin has three
Head RF/Microwave Proj. | Natl. Meast. Lab.     |  sides - at least"
FAX: 61-2-413-7383	| POB 218 Lindfield 2070|  (Somlo, cca. 1985)
TEL: 61-2-413-7505      | NSW AUSTRALIA         |
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sailing Right-Of-Way
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:19:16 GMT
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota

kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer) writes:

>What you failed to mention is that the sailor on starboard tack has to
>yell "starboard tack", the sailor on port tack has to yell "hold your
>course." The starboard-tack sailor is then expected to hold his course.
>In this way, both know what their respective rights are, and the mirror
>problem doesn't occur.

>Of course these rules were all made up for the gentlemanly sport of
>yachting, not for freefall-on-water conditions where you can hardly
>hear yourself scream, never mind anyone else.

The only time the yachting rules _require_ anyone to say anything is
when claimning a "mast abeam" limitation on luffing rights.  Think
about what would happen if you had to communicate vocally on a
port-starboard between two 80 foot ocean racers in high seas.  (Of
course they could call by cellular phone I suppose. :-) In fact the
rules require port to keep clear and starboard to hold course even if
they verbally agree on exactly the opposite behavior!

As for being gentlemanly, you obviously haven't participated in some
of the yacht races I have!
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:03:02 GMT
Subject: Re: HAILS (was: Sailing Right-Of-Way)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

/ hpcc01:rec.windsurfing / kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) /  5:56 pm  Sep  2, 1992 /
>When I took my first windsurfing lessons, no one mentioned
>sailing right-of-way as a concept.  Perhaps there is just
>too much to learn that first time to also teach this, but
>I took 3 different lessons from 3 different instructors,
>and the concept did not come up.
>
>    Perhaps we should suggest that beginners lessons
>    include at least a hint that rules do exist
>    and that the water is not completely chaotic.
----------
Take lessons from a Mistral Certified school and you MUST pass a written
test to get a certificate.  At Shoreline in Mt. View CA, you must
either show this card or take a writen test to rent equipment.

I wish ALL schools operated like this.

For Andy's idea of "OK" and "GIVE WAY" on the boom, one must assume the
the person using the boom attaches it correctly (If the boom even has a
top side).  I bought a chain saw and it had SO MUCH safety info I bet
no one bothers reading it.  I'd hate to see WSing gear get to that point.

Nothing is easier to remember than "RIGHT HAND FORWARD on the BOOM has
RIGHT of way" when approaching another sailor.  

Kirk out
----------

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From: shef@cuervo.rtp.dg.com (Tom Sheffield)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 18:40:41 GMT
Organization: Data General, Corporate Systems Support 

In article <1992Aug21.182039.22736@engage.pko.dec.com>, stu@otop23.oto.dec.com (Stuart MacKay) writes:
|> 
|> So, what do you guys (and girls) wear?
|> 
I wear a Lifejacket that is made for a particular type of kayak called
a "squirt" boat. I don't know anything about kayaking but the jacket
works great for windsurfing.
 The one I have is made by "Extrasport" and I've seen them in "REI" catalogs
and stores. They cost about $55-60. I got mind in a kayak shop.
 They offer good freedom of movement in the upper-arm and shoulder area. They
aren't very long, so they don't interfere with your harness hook. They offer
decent floatation, which is of great assistance in water starting...especially
with larger >6.0m in fresh water.
 They are not the type of Life Preserver (Is is Class 1 or Class A) that will
hold your face out of the water if you are knocked unconscious.
 Good luck. I think you're decision to set a good example for your kids
is smart.
-- 

Tom (just got back from Aruba and my hands hurt) Sheffield
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga)
Subject: Re: Aruba Pro-Am & Killer Loop on TV
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:09:02 GMT

In a previous article I write:

>The Killer Loop Classic will be broadcast on Prime Sports Network on
>Thursday 8/26/92 at 10:30 pm EDT.
 ^^^^^^^^
Make that Wednesday 8/26/92.  Sorry.

Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)      ... R. Zimmerman
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:14:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Kodak Waterproof Camera
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>Of course, try to keep major water drops off of the lens.  I think we
>succeeded without too much trouble.
>
My Nikon Action Flash has a flat piece of glass between the lens (which is
motorized) and the air/water.  I think the flat glass helps this problem
by letting big water drops roll off.

>I wear a waist pack to hold the camera while sailing to the picture
>taking destination. The thought of having it hanging around my neck
>while sailing didn't sound to good.
>
Good idea, I'll give this a try.
>
>Pat....with my welcome mat out for Andrew!!

Did Andrew have any effect on you or your family?  I hope all is well.
>----------
>
Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: carlt@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (carl thomsen)
Subject: Re: North Booms
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:28:18 GMT

JROCK@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:
>     Has anyone had this problem with North booms ?
> 
>        I know one thing for sure , I've bought my last one !!!!!


The same thing happened to me last fall.  In my case the boom was about
one year old.  I had just noticed that something seemed a little loose up
front, and was about to jibe to investigate on the far shore, when I peeled out
from the board with the boom in my hand.  I was about halfway out towards
the water when the pressure broke the clew-end of the boom and I splashed 
down.  Luckily, I was able to rig the remaining half of the boom on the
opposite side and sail back to the launch shore in dying winds (lucky too,
the wind died so I didn't miss any sailing - one of those east wind mornings).

When I bought the replacement front-end the salesman claimed that North had made
an improvement in the design (interior ribs) to prevent the failure.

Almost coming up on one year for the new front-end so we shall see.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:02:23 GMT

In article <thompson.714847579@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:
> EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
> 
> >    3.  That it had the official US Coast Guard stamp (so that the same
> >PFD will serve me when the law requires me to have one.)
> 
> About point 3.  Is there any place in the U.S. were the law says that
> it is OK _not_ to have one?

The distinction here, I believe, is required vs. recommended (i.e. In Wyoming
it's recommended vs. here in Colorado where it's required.  They enforce it
here too.  I know of a few sailors that have been fined for not having a PFD).
The only times I've voluntarily worn a PFD (I use a water ski vest BTW) is
when it's blowing 35+ knots - sailing on the edge of *control*.

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From: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Winds in SW France (Atlantic) ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:09:00 GMT

pmb@geosys.co.uk (Pete Bochel) writes:

>Hello,
>I hope somebody can help tell me about possible wind speeds in SW France.
>I will be spending 3 weeks in September with my work near Biarritz.

Hm. Golfe du Lion: Brutal Beach (the name is right), L'Almanarre (high wind
onshore, good waves, safe), Isle de Pocquerol (watch for the torpedo test 
facility). Anywhere around Toulon if the Mistral is blowing. September ?
Dunno.
Further to the west (close to the spanish Pyrenaees): Etang de Leucate. 
Mad wind. Not too wavy, though. 3.5 conditions.

Cheers, Henrik
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Subject: Windsurfing cards
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 03:42:35 GMT


Anyone out there collect Beach Sports trading cards but me?
-- 
Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
Cosyde Corporation
From: lawera@stat.rice.edu (Martin Lawera)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Mail order companies
Date: 4 Sep 1992 17:56:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University

I am planning on buying my first board later this month.
Most likely, it will be an O'Brien Elite. Here in Houston,
they are selling for $499 new or $250-350 used.
I would like to dip into the net-wisdom on the following questions:
Can I get a better deal from a mail order shop?
What are the pros and cons of buying from such a place?
Are there any shops you would recommend (or on the contrary?).

Thank you  for your help.

Martin
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:46:19 GMT

EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:

>>I am curious however, having never worn a life jacket while windsurfing,
>>what is there and what do people use?

>I looked for three things in choosing a PFD:
>    1.  That is was comfortable to wear...no chafing anywhere,
>    2.  That is was short enough and thin enough so I could see my
>harness hook and so that the PFD doesn't interfere with the hook, and
>    3.  That it had the official US Coast Guard stamp (so that the same
>PFD will serve me when the law requires me to have one.)

I have found that PFD's designed for performance canoeing satisfy
these three criteria well.  They are also fairly inexpensive.  They
don't look so cool, but now that I have kids and not much hair that
doesn't seem to matter as much as it used to.

I don't find the arguments that wetsuit+harness = enough flotation to
be true for me.  I got bonked on the head once by another guy's mast.
I was pretty glad I had a real PFD on then.  Freak accidents do happen
and a PFD might save your life.

About point 3.  Is there any place in the U.S. were the law says that
it is OK _not_ to have one?
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
From: plunkett@snips.tmc.edu (Marianne Plunkett-Prestwich)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Helmet Foam
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:08:08 GMT
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy - Harvard Medical School
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From: vtvu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (vinh.t.vu)
Subject: Windsurfing stuff for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:21:52 GMT
Keywords: Windsurfing


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in Colts Neck, New Jersey.
From: wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Helmets Off the Water  Was (Lifejackets while windsurfing)
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:15:26 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


>Last spring in Venezuela I was on a completely full open fishing boat
>along with about 15 other sailors and gear heading across open water
>to a good sailing spot.  The owner of the resort was sailing his wave
>board over, a reasonably difficult sail of probably 10 miles of
>variable wind and some serious chop.  He had some problem with his
>footstrap so he sailed up to the leeward side of the boat and will
>doing about 10 knots sat on the rail.  Not too surprisingly the
>control of his rig and board went down the tubes and the sail pitched
>forward with some force, and the guy next to me took it on the noggin.
>So, wear yer helmets when you're even THINKING about sailing!
>
>P.S. The guy was ok, the owner was embarassed, I was amused.  


This weekend in the Gorge a guy was telling me about a friend of his who
wears a helmet on the beach and takes it off like a pair of sandels when
he enters the water.  He is far more worried about flying masts on the beach
than he is about getting klonked in the water.
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:12:31 GMT

brahms@delaware.tdd.sj.nec.com (George Skillman  x2921) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.182039.22736@engage.pko.dec.com> stu@otop23.enet.dec.com writes:
>>
>>Being a responsible parent (with a wife who is terrified of water), I have 
>>been asked by my family to wear a life jacket while sailing.
>> ...
>>
>>Regards,
>>Stu MacKay
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>
>> 

>I get the willies thinking about what might happen to me if my board ran
>off from me and I couldn't catch up to it.  So far, it hasn't happened, but
>I'm not a great swimmer so I think it's conceivable.

>I wear a small Mistral vest that gives me just enough floatation to keep
>me above the water.  I find it completely unobtrusive and in fact very
>benificial when trying to waterstart.  Without one, my body sinks way
>under the water while trying to clear the sail.  With one, I generally don't
>sink my head below the water at all.

>Perhaps I'm paranoid or simply underestimating other people's swimming
>abilities, but I think it's rather crazy to go out on the water without
>some kind of floatation device.
>--

For me, the simple fact is that with a jacket on, I become a less competent and
far slower swimmer.. It just plain gets in the way. Without a jacket, I have a
chance of catching a runaway board, with a jacket on, I have to wait until the
board slows down.

my $0.02


--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
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