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From: xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu)
Subject: Who_care_what_you_think?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:36:14 CDT

	Hello netters :
	  I kept on reading articles in this news group about Olympic
	  games. A lot of complaints, a lot of unsatisfactions on 
	  how NBC reported the games on TV. 
	  Who care it ?
	  Who care what you think about their reports ?
	  Here is America, not China. Americans only are interested in
	  their victories in Olympic games. Why should they spend time
	  watching other countries' victories in the games ?
	  Nobody invites you to come here. You can see what you want
	  to see about the Olympic games on TV in your (our) own
	  country. Why are you(we) here in America ?
	  Americans --- the people of this country have right to see
	  what they want to see on TV in their own country.
	  Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.


	  I pray for the victories of China Olympic team.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:10:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.195544.26428@news.acns.nwu.edu> frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.164312.2040@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com  
>writes:
>> 
>> TIer's are not trying to sepatrate your country. In fact, they don't even  
>want to
>> deal with your country. They are dealing with the KMT.
>
>Ridiculous logics!!! Let's wait and see if the TIer's will realize their
>fancy dreams.

Get a life!
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming poolsDIR
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:29:21 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Jul26.164448.27536@news.uakron.edu>, r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan) writes:
> 
> I figured maybe Time had meant 60 "acceptable" swimming pools, i.e.,
> Olympic standard swimming pools. If this was true, then the number
> 60 wouldn't seem too weird to believe. It is understood that in
> some universities there are pools, but they are way below the "standard".
> I am sure you have been to the swimming pool at YOUR university, 
> tell us how you think of it....

My university's pool may not be an "accptable" one for you or the American
reporters, but the original question is about "60 pools", not the university
pools.  But I don't feel shamed for a low standard pool in my university.  Do
you?  I hope not.  As I posted before, I believe that China has more than 100
acceptable and Olympic standard pools.  Think about all the amateur athlete
schools and athletic colleges and training centers, and the party domitory
complexes in all the provinces (28 excluding Taiwan).

J.  Yuan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Question for Shi Chunde
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:07:05 GMT


I have been following your postings now for several weeks and to be quite 
honest, you are sort of an enigma to me.  Given your unwaivering certitude of 
the moral, intellectual and ecoconomic superiority of China over every other 
country in the world, regardless of the issue at hand:

1.  What has kept you from returning to China?

2.  What possible attraction does the US have for you?

Please do not get the impression that I am asking you to leave.  You just seem 
so miserable here.

Robert Sanders
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Mao vs Pig
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:03:00 GMT


          Shannon says:  
              "No Mao, where is China today?"

          Shuo1 de2 dui4!  I have a more profound question: 

          -- No zhou1 kou3 dian4 monkies, where is China today? 

          In any case, si3 le5 zhang1 tu1 fu1, dou1 chi1 hun4 mao2
          zhu1.  No one has hao3 xia4 chang3.
From: mlab3@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Lin Li won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:48:01 CDT
Organization: who cares

In article <1992Jul30.172810.24661@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, yfeng@kirk.ecs.umass.edu (Youlin Feng) writes:
> Lin Li grabbed the gold medal in 200m individual medlay with a new world
> record, beating Summer Sanders of the USA.
>                                                ----CNN Sports
> 
Great!!!!!
I am very pround of chinese altheletes have achived so far. -- 

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     \_        )    | qhu@tesla.ece.ukans.edu    |     /---/ /  / |
woof!  '',,,,,,     | mlab3@ukanvm               |    /   / /__/  |
         ||  ||     +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
        "--'"--'
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:38:13 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


 
In article <1992Jul26.165422.14034@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
|lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes: 
|> Tuya wrote:
|>>         The original is:
|> 
|>               "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
|>                ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."
|> 
|> 	The 3-D world seems keeping the same beautiful, but
|> 	the 4th dimension is extending to infinity without any noise.
| 
|	The rivers and mountains stay unchaged,
|	although the setting sun isn't always red.

I believe the original verse is 'QinShan' rather than 'JiangShan'. Or
my memory really got bad?

Seems most people liked the interpretation of this verse as 'contrast'
that is: although blue mountains remain unchanged, time has changed. This
'time goes like Yantzi' (Shi4 Zhe3 Ru2 Si1) interpretation inevitablly
resulted in some petty bourgeoisie sentiment. 8-). But Mr Lou was petty
bourgeoisie not.

I think this verse should be interpreted as 'blue mountains remain
the same and countless sunset is always as red as before' Only this
can truly reflect the breath of vision of silver-haired proletarian
fisherman and timberman (Bai2Fa1 Yu2 Qiao2). 8-). 

Remember red sun (Mao)? but this bulb (Deng) is just as red. 8-).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.175944.1@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au> p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au writes:
>Chun Shide writes that the countries of Asia, and the KMT government on Taiwan,
> did NOT breathe easily after the PRC's defeat at the hands of the Vietnamese.
>
>I agree with your point, my error!!!
>
>Andrew Papadimos

Please list the argument for PRC's defeat. 
I can not tell Viet Won the War. Only because PRC retreated from Vietname,
you claim that Viet won the War! 
my side argument:
  1. It was not PRC's intension to occupy vietname.
     200,000 troops is not going to occupy a nation with 1 million troops.
     the intension is only to show Vietname is vulnurable, the objective
     was well achieved when last garrison toward Hanoi, LiangSan was
     captured.
   2. Another objective was to stop Vietname abuse ethnic Chinese, which
     resulted around 300,000 refugees fled to China alone.
Westeners pretend to have monoply on truth and facts. Like the genocide
claim in tibet, which is absolutely fabrication not only to Chinese people
but also to people like U.S. statedepartment officals who visited tibet,
and U.N. officials. But that did not stop Westen media keep bring up
Tibet Genocide. To you guys, why bother with the truth, if lie
serve you better--make you pompous!
Enjoy yourself! You do not have to know anything.
From: phsj@MARLIN.JCU.EDU.AU (su jianfeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Free Election
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:15:19 GMT


If a free election is assumed to be hold for the ruling party of the Chinese
government based on the political organisations we know, which party will win
the elections and which party do you vote?

My vote is:
Names                                               Votes
1) CCP;                                               1 
2) IFCSS;                                             0  
3) Democracy party (Is there this party?);            0
4) Is there any other party?                          0

I will vote CCP under two conditions, (1) changing his prime minister;
(2) continuing the economic reform.  I don't vote IFCSS, because I doubt
that it is an independent organisation.  Being politically and economically
independent from foreigners, foreign organisations and governments is
the basic condition for a political organisation to be operated in China. 


J Su

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: taijing@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: taijing@suncub.bbso.caltech.edu
Organization: Big Bear Solar Observatory, Caltech
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:53:35 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yeyan@sfu.ca (Yeyan Zhang)
Subject: test
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:30:52 BST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:27:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.034916.13216@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>...

>At least, sports should be separated with politics. I always thought
>China or USSR didn't do that. Seems I was wrong.

Let's remember the two Olympic Games that US and China refused to attend 
the first and the USSR refused the second later on. To me, they were  
children's tricks. To many athelets, they were tragdies.

PS: I have same problems as Quayleeeeeer, the vice presidence, in spelling
"potatoe" and "louesy."  :-(
       ^          ^
From: G_YANG@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (YANG GUANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NBC 7pm News tonight and the two bills
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:29:26 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs


[With news sources from AP and Reuter]:
 
          A Chinese government shopping delegation headed by
the Deputy Director of National Economic Planning
Commission, Mr. Gan Ziyue, is in the U.S.A.  The delegation
will purchase a large quantity of automobiles from all big
three U.S. auto makers, Ford, Chrysler and GM.  According to
the delegation, this is a good well mission of Chinese
people to help the U.S. economy recover.
 
          We know the real mission of this delegation,
however, is more likely to ensure the MFN status for China.
The legislation that requires Chinese government to improve
human rights passed the House last week, and will be voted
in the Senate soon.  It is also clear that Chinese
government intends to return George Bush a favor by
injecting a large amount of cash into the US most hurted
industry before the election in November.  (At
the time of writing up this report, the National Radio
reported that the stock prices of all the three auto makers
have been driven up by a few points).
 
          Dr. Haiching Zhao will appear on NBC prime
time, 7pm Evening News tonight (7/28/92), interviewed by
anchor Tom Brokaw to discuss this issue.  The media
publicity is important for the successful passage of both
MFN and Chinese Protection Bills pending in the Congress, as
the human rights is the core for both bills.
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Female & Male Athletes in Olympics
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:08:09 GMT

chiaki10@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Kwan Y Mok) wrote:
>Chinese female athletes either far outperform male on an international level or
<are more consistent if either sex are both strong on the sport (like table

Please note Chinese females do not directly competewith Chinese males. In
Olympics, Chinese females directly compete with foreign females, Chinese
males directly compete foreign males. The comparison between Chinese males
and females then is indeirect and relative.

>Given that the gap does exist between Westerners and Chinese men in physiques,
<does anyone has any suggestion, good ideas on how China can shorten this gap?
<How can China improve on male sports that require bulk and strength?

Keep taking more protein for at least 5 generations.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21631 rec.sport.olympics:1906
From: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.)
Organization: Unknown

In article <1992Jul30.192411.20300@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>
>I can't say that I find it surprising that country which practically bans
>sexuality and whose citizens have hardly any contact with the outside world
>isn't bringing AIDs to the olympics.
>
>I think we should admire the absence of HIV in the Communist Chinese Olympic
>team. We should also note that some of the measures taken to prevent HIV are
>done on a voluntary basis. After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
>drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
>should be parised. Why, in a few decades, there will hardly be any women left,
>thus dramatically cutting down on sex, thus preventing one of the primary
>routes for the spread of aids.

I have never thought that I would defend Chinese morality.:-) :-)

However this piece of post make me decide to say something. Although
Mr Chunde Shi certainly owes an apology to Magic Johnson and
American Olympic team for saying his highly insensitive and
completely stupid words about HIV, (as he always did in this net,)
you, Mr. Jason W. Solinsky, owes an apology to all Chinese parents.
True, China is still under the dictatorship of a few octogenarians
and their sucking followers, but nevertheless Chinese people
are victims. Chinese sportsmen and sportswomen are just like
their American counterparts, the derogatory commentaries of
American news media poured on them these days only reflects
the lack of the spirit of Olympiad among some Americans. If you
just want to criticize Shi's comment on Magic, fine, I will
side with you, and so will a lot of Chinese. But you went too far.

About the issue that "Chinese parents drown their female babies".
What is the point to bring this up? You try to upset all Chinese?
These kind of incident do exists, as reported by news media, but
never as massive as you suggested to use the term Chinese parents
without a necessary qualifier "a few". Just because there have
been some reports of a few Chinese parents drowned their babies
in certain remote rural area doesn't mean it is appropriate
to bring it up here when you are talking about Chinese in a
general term. In the same logic, I would never bring up the
issue of some domestic crimes that exists in this country as reported
by the news media, when I am talking about the sports.

Grow up, you don't have to insult other people to prove you
are patrotic.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao)
Subject: Re: What happened to the Australian satellite?
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:23:18 GMT

umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Bo Wu) writes:

>     What happened to that Australian satellite that is supposed to be
>carried into the space by a Chinese rocket? Haven't heard any news from it
>for a while. Last time I heard about it, it is said that it will be
>relaunched sometime in July.

>     Anyone has news about it?

It will be relaunched in Aug.

J. Gao
From: ifwang@cnedcu51.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: what about EC92 ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:08:00 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

  I wonder no one said a word about the result of European Championship
of Football just a month ago.
  Things were really a little odd. Denmark, who has even not been qualified
for the game, went to Sweden at last minute, first draw England( Oh, they 
tried hard...),then beatten by Sweden( hm, their real ability..), after that 
continuously defeated France, Holland and at last Germany and got the Cup. 
Why?! (hmmmm, something must have happened, how a team having prepared little
- almost none - had such a rize in less then 2 weeks?!... but, they never be
caught, unless you have evidence, one just can do nothing...).
  Unfortunately, US team(or US newspapers, TV etc) wasn't there. Otherwise
they should have complained about this bizarre thing and asked FIFA to test
everyone in Denmark team to see if they had taken something which they should 
not take(including the coach ! because, that little something perhaps also
help the coach to be much more clever in who knows what way! who knows!...).

-----------------
 At least here in Switzerland, local newspapers are relatively wise and fair.
Yes, they put their beloved player of shot W.Gunthor's big photo in the first
page, but also the results of all events, articles of US "dream team", loss
of Biandi, and that of unbelivable little Fu Mingxia. It is from the newspaper
that I know Zhang Shan is the first woman in history who wins in the mixed
competition of shooting(skeeting).
From: r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A Grad Student emotional check-list
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:24:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul26.172411.28762
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio

In article <54968@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> tang@descartes (Puqi Tang) writes:
>
>
> Here is something from soc.culture.india..
>
> ********************************************************************
>
>			STATUTORY WARNING :
>
>The following material may be offensive to some readers: Pliss to ignore.
>
> ********************************************************************
>
>A Grad Student emotional check-list
>
>7:30am	Wakeup and lie awake in Bed
>7:31am	Realize you spent $18 on last night's dinner, means no eating out
>	for the next 6 weeks
>7:45 am Ready to go to school, will shave tommorrow, will eat early brunch at
>	(Denny's/Penny's/Lenny's/Dinko's whatever cafeteria).
>8:03 am Arrive at school
>	Realize King Kong Pong (chinese officemate) arrived earlier today
>	must have got more work done
>	Get reminded of the "too much milk problem"

(stuff deleted)

>2:04	Forget about getting up early. Turn the phone ringer off
>	and go to sleep.
>
>adios
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------

How true!!!! I was surprised that the guy at Purdue had to do the same
thing that I might be doing at Akron U. I thought those people at
better universities worked harded or had to work harder, I was wrong
and all seems natural this way. And what was amazing is that he/she
(most likely "he", "she" would be with her American boyfriend in bed..)
planned his day minute-wisely. I don't believe that was true but I do
understand that life sucks and it seems you can't do anything about it.
If you have a family then you may have some fun with your spouse or
kids. For a single unmarried guy like, this computer room-->apartment
-life is like pure hell. Some people would say "oh, why don't you find
a girlfriend?", here in US, you gotta be kidding. Back to China? 
(I am sure a lot of guys have done this, a quicky marrige in 30
days...), but you gotta
be resposible for youself, what if you got a piece of "junk" whom you
didn't realize in the 30 days you were with her at home in China....


What do ya think folks?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: A Dirty War (Was Re: No Dogs or Chineses)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:43:40 GMT

In article <13664@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In article <1992Jul22.234050.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu> (22 Jul 92)
>Chunde Shi writes,
>
>> 2. Another objective [of 1979 Sino-Vietnam Border War] was to stop Vietnam
>> abuse ethnic Chinese, which resulted around 300,000 refugees fled to China
>> alone.
>
>    You'd better expand your source of information beyond the scope of your
>trusted People's Daily.  Do you know the Khmer Rouge had wiped out the ethnic
Autrocity commited by Khmer Rouge was during 1975-19079, China did not support
it as much after Vietname invasion. U.S. supported Khmer Rouge through
Thailand. China has nuetral position on Combodia issue.
>Chinese in Cambodia?  A great part of refugees were actually from Cambodia.
>(By the way, where this number 300,000 comes from?  People's Daily?  :-)
>But have you ever seen CCP say anything to protest it?  CCP is still the
>best friend of the Khmer Rouge, isn't it?
>
>    The objective of this dirty war is to rescue the murderous Khmer Rouge.
>To CCP's dismay, Vietnam didn't bother to move its army to the north.  Stop
>abuse of ethnic Chinese?  Can any informed netter tell me even a single event
>in which the lives of overseas Chinese were weighted in CCP's foreign policy?
>
>
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Three Ladies Walk Together ... (Was Re: Recent Research)
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:10:36 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In <199207191251.AA03036@thames.bu.edu> (19 Jul 92) lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
writes,

> I have to be nitpicky.  I believe Dr. Johnny used "Wo Si", ("My dear SiSi")
> [instead of "San1 Nuu3 Xing2, Bi4 You3 Wo3 Qi1"].  I barely remember Ms. Li
> SiSi was born much later than Dr. Johnny, but "Si" must have been used for
> beauties before Ms. Li used it as name.  So the translation should be OK.

    Probably every Chinese student knows Dr. Johnny's famous line, "three
persons walk together, one must be good enough to be my teacher (Wo3 Shi1)."
Unfortunately, few of them follow Dr. Johnny's wisdom when they face one
of the most critical decisions in their lives -- how to get a wife.  This
betrayal of Chinese "family values" brings endless unhappy whinings to SCC
"girl talk" :-).  Men, it is the time to Wen1 Gu4 Er2 Zhi1 Xin1 (review Old
Dr. Johnny's teaching and attain to new wisdom)!

    If one person must be good enough to be your teacher when three walk
together, then one lady should be good enough to be your teacher when three
get together.  Because the order of respectables in China is Heaven, Earth,
CCP Emperor, Teacher and Family Members, the lady good enough to be your
teacher must be good enough to be your wife.  It is just that simple.

    And yes, you should follow your wife-teacher's instructions in all the
rest of your life with ever-increasing obedience :-) since the first time
you met her.  As we Chinese said, "once a student, be a student forever."

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