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From: anasaz!briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: German nuclear research in WW2
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:00:41 GMT
Organization: Anasazi Inc Phx Az USA


From Brian Douglass <anasaz!briand@anasazi.com>

In article <C1F74x.L3M@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> Steve Williams <swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil> writes:
>
>From Steve Williams <swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
>
>
>In sci.military, aylwyn@maths.tcd.ie (Aylwyn Scally) writes:
> >From aylwyn@maths.tcd.ie (Aylwyn Scally)
> >
> >It seems to be a commonly held view that by the end of the Second World War,
> >German physicists were very close to developing their own atomic bomb.
>
>This was a common view at that time, but there's nothing to sustain
>this concept.  The Germans initially had a five-year lead in the nuclear
>research, but they took a wrong turn somewhere along the way.

[stuff deleted]
>Note: All of this from my memory; please correct me if I am wrong.  
>      No flames, please.  There's a book on this subject that I read
>      some time ago; I think its title was "Making of the Atomic Bomb".

There is also a documentary out, somewhere in which the principal subject
was the Army Officer responsible for going through captured facilities
looking for evidence of the German program.  Though he did find such
evidence, what he found led him and others back at the Manhattan project to
believe the Germans were not even close to completion of a bomb.  

What sticks out in memory about this documentary was how this officer said
"...though shocked to realize the Germans were so far behind, Oppie and the
rest never even thought about stopping the project [Manhattan].  After all,
there was still a war on in the Pacific."  to paraphrase.

Whether or not Manhattan should have been stopped was another question the
documentary was attempting to answer.

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: dave pierson <pierson@empror.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: German nuclear research in WW2
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:49:21 GMT


From dave pierson <pierson@empror.enet.dec.com>

In article <C1F74x.L3M@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, Steve Williams
<swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil> writes, in part:

> >While this may be the case, I do recall reading somewhere that the large
> >heavy-water distilling plant (the name of which I cannot remember) in Nazi-
> >controlled Norway was considered a serious-enough threat for them to try to
> >destroy it.

>This was a potential threat, but this doesn't mean that the Germans 
>were inches away from building a nuclear bomb.  If I remember right, 
>the Germans hadn't even achieved a self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction,
>similar to that under Enrico Fermi at University of Chicago.

	They took a lot longer, buit i believe they had one or two by war's
	end.

>>Does anyone know of any evidence confirming or disputing the existence of a
>>German nuclear research programme? If there was one, was it very far
>>advanced by the time the war ended?
	For a summary, look for:
		The German Atomic Bomb
		David Irving

	which is relatively recent.

	Also, by coincidence, i note that NOVA, the PBS Science show (in the
	USA) has an upcoming show on the early history of the Russian/USSR
	program, and the influence of the German nuclear scientists the
	"acquired".  (Tuesday, 2 Feb, 8:00pm in Boston, others, check local
	listings...)

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com	|I am the NRA.
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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: "patterson,george r" <patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: B2s v. carrier task force
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:44:17 GMT


From "patterson,george r" <patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com>

In article <C17vLn.EL2@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil writes:
>
>>> From David Beard <beard@cs.unc.edu>
>>> 
>>> I have heard it suggested that 15 or 20 B2s, based in the United States,
>>> and setup to carry conventional precision guided bombs, could replace
>>> a number of our carrier task forces.
>
>  Do you honestly think a B-2 wouldn't fair very well against a carrier task 
>force.  Have you ever heard of the stealth sram (short range attack missile)?
>Let me play the scenario of a B-2 against a battle group......

The question is not whether or not a force of B2s could destroy a task
group (I tend to agree with your theoretical scenario). The question is
"If we make enough B2s, can we get rid of all our carriers?"

I think the answer to that is blatantly "No, we can't". At least, not as
long as Congress controls the purse strings. President Johnson tried to
run a strategic bombing campaign in Vietnam using B-52s. That worked fine
until one got shot down. Then Congress started screaming about the expense,
and we wound up trying to use Phantoms as strategic bombers. There's a
park in Hanoi that has a sculpture made out of an F4 tail unit.

Now, you may correctly point out that the operating expense of a carrier
task force, plus the cost of a few A-10s makes the cost of one or two
B2s look like pocket change, but congresscritters don't see things that
way. If all we had were B2 bombers, the pres. would never be allowed to
risk one in combat.  Hummmm. Maybe that's not a bad idea after all!

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Anti-aircraft
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:45:06 GMT


From ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)

In article <C124wI.7op@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> "John M. Wu" <johnwu@netcom.com> writes:

>1)  When anti-aircraft shells go up, they have to eventually come
>back down.  With a gun shooting 90 deg., the bullet will go up to
>around 9000 ft. and then start coming down up to terminal
>velocity (300 fps?).  At terminal velocity, the bullet can still kill a
>person.  Do anti-aircraft weapons like those in Iraq cause large
>ground damage and numerous casualties due to what eventually
>happens to fired shells (eg. the Baghdad hotel damage)?  Seems
>like a terribly inefficient way to defend a city from damage. 
>Wouldn't not firing anything cause less damage to Baghdad?

I always thought that AA shells were fused to explode at a given al-
titude. Remember all those movies about B-17s over Germany, and all
that flak?






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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: Air launched tomahawk?
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:51:09 GMT


From eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)

>creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes:

>   There's an ad by McDonnell Douglas on the back of the March 1992
>UNSI Proceedings for a missile called SLAM (Standoff Land Attack
>Missile).  It says that it "is produced on the same production line
>and supported by the existing Harpoon logistics system."  It also
>looks just like a Harpoon in the picture.

>   I think this would qualify as a land-attack version of the Harpoon,
>but I don't know whether it's in actual use or not.

It is and it is :-) They used SLAM to take out that pumping station that was
pumping crude into the gulf.

cheers

--

     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Amalaye Oyake <oyakea@rpi.edu>
Subject: The Gatling Gun
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:44:19 GMT


From Amalaye Oyake <oyakea@rpi.edu>

 Hello my name is Amalaye Oyake, and I am an AFROTC cadet at rpi,
anyway getting to the point I Have a briefing to give on the
gatling gun and its importance to the usaf. I would like all
military buffs to provide any info you have on this topic.
I know the gun was a multi baarrel gun mad by will gatling but as
I am not an expert I ask the proffesionals YOU GUYS.
THANX ---> oyakea@rpi.edu


[mod note -- the original Gatling Gun was a multi-barrel hand-powered gun
developed in the mid 19th century.  The current multi-barrel cannons used
by the USAF operate on the same principle, but properly shouldn't be called a
Gatling Gun

Steve]
Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Charles Rollhauser <rollhaus@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: triremes
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:55:55 GMT


From Charles Rollhauser <rollhaus@oasys.dt.navy.mil>


    I just found my reference on triremes. It's based on a talk by
John Coates and given in DUNFERMLINE, Scotland at a conference on Marine
Structures in May of 1991. Here are some highlights.

    ABSTRACT

    The Greek Trireme oared warship was the fastest of all past types
    of oared ships and its design was extreme, within the materials
    and techniques available at the time. It was powered by the
    largest practicable number of single-manned oars, accommodated in
    a long slender and heavily stressed timber hull of shell
    construction. To keep hull bending stresses within acceptable
    limits, Triremes were fitted with large tensioned ropes having the
    same purpose as steel tendons in pre-stressed concrete beams
    today.

    The Greek Trireme was lightly built and armed only with a ram. The
Trireme's objective was to ram enemy ships without being rammed itself.
This called for an agile ship, with a skilled commander and crew. The
oarsmen were NOT slaves.  At the height of its power in the fifth century
BC, the Athenian Navy had regular training, and achieved exchange rates in
battle of three to one. During the fourth century, skilled oarsmen became
scarcer and a trend started towards larger slower oared ships whose main
armament was a body of troops. These heavier triremes were the most
numerous and fastest ships in the Roman fleet.

    The Greek Trireme had 170 individually manned oars on three levels.
Triremes could maintain a speed of seven knots for periods over 24 hours.
Sprint speeds of nearly 10 knots are possible. (A reproduction reached
speeds in excess of 9 knots.)

    The rest of the article is a Naval architect's/historian's  delight. It
gives drawings and photographs showing the reconstruction of the Trireme
OLYMPIAS.

    For the serious student, my source is the conference proceedings,
ADVANCES IN MARINE STRUCTURES - 2, edited by C.S. Smith and R.S. Dow
Elsevier Applied Science, London and New York 1991. ISBN 1-85166-627-3

Chuck


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From: gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us (Gene A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: more ?'s about seacobras
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:04:01 GMT
Organization: Ham Radio Operator, Houston Tex.


From "Gene A. Kennedy" <gak@n5abi.hou.tx.us>

Christopher John Arnold <gorilla@cats.ucsc.edu> writes:

> Does anyone know if it is common practice for the USN to use 
> Sea Cobras on their ships, apart from Marines using them as
> support gunships. Do Cobras ever play a role in anti-ship warfare?
> 
 Best guess would be no. The SeaCobra doesn't carry any weapon 
that would be really effective against ships, and there is also 
the fact that all SeaCobras belong to the Marines. The Navy does 
have a version of the H-60 that is used for ASW.

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From: "Dan D. Gutierrez" <73317.646@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: INFO: Nanotech news group?
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:46:09 EST
Organization: University of Washington
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Originator: hlab@stein.u.washington.edu



>>If you can subscribe to this newsgroup, do the same thing to subscrbe
>> to sci.nanotech (unless you can't for some reason.)

Actually, I needed someone out there to state how subscriptions are done
in general.  I "acquired" this CIS user-id from my employee that has since
left the company and is not contactable.  I don't know how she originally
subscribed to this Internet newsgroup (although I'm real glad she did!).

So, to repeat my request: could someone please state how I may subscribe
to the sci.nanotech newsgroup.  Many thanks in advance...


[MODERATOR'S NOTE:  Coming in from CompuServe, this subscriber may not
be able to gain access to the USENET newsgroup, sci.nanotech, unless
someone on the newsgroup maintains a separate mailing list. -- Bob
Jacobson]
From: dudasj@rpi.edu (Joel Schostok Dudas)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: APPS: Environmental VR
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:16:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k8fo4INNs7n
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
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  I'm no VR expert, and I don't play one on TV either, but I am
interested greatly in this technology as it applies to other fields.
More specifically, I was recently wondering about 2 things...

1) What sorts of applications are there towards VR applications in
environmental technology?

2) Is there much VR research geared toward the creation of worlds
where the normal "laws" are simply not valid?  I mean this in a far
more abstract sense than just the obvious things, such as
zero-gravity, popping into people's bodies, or other such things.
What I am getting at is the possible effects VR could have on time &
relativity, possible sixth and seventh senses, the notion of swapping
light and sounds with their respective sensory centers, re-creation of
past experiences (time-travel in a virtual sense) by extraction of
memory from the brain and applying it to a virtual world,
communication with one's own bodily functions (VR "yoga"), or other
such things your imagination may come up with.  I am not looking for
technical info or current technology necessarily, but I am interested
in finding out if any of the current VR research has these long-term
goals in mind?

My VR background is only as deep as Howard Rheingold's book, an
article or 2, and my brain.

Joe D.
dudasj@rpi.edu
From: MABINAL@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: TECH: PowerGlove....
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:15 EST
Organization: University of Washington
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Hi,  

        I dont have an answer to your problem , actaully I have the
same problem can you please mail me anthing you find out about the PG
connection. I will do the same if i get any thing.

                                Thanks in advance
               Mabinal@INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU
From: rpi@well.sf.ca.us (David Reed)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: TECH: Portable VR System Shown
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:29:26 GMT
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Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
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On Jan. 19, 1993 at the San Francisco VR Special Interest Group Meeting at
410 Townsend Street David Frerichs demonstrated a completely portable VR
game system with 3D software cartridge. The system was notable in that it
had been operational for over 2 years. Does anyone know of an earlier claim
to "The World's First Totally Portable VR System" or does he have it nailed?
From: martinjp@cs.washington.edu (John Martin)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: INFO?: Medical Images
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:49:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
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Hi:

I am beginning to put together a demo that will put a 3d medical
object, e.g. heart, brain etc.  into a virtual environment.

I want to use real medical images from a NMR or other similiar
tomography system.  

I need info on image formats, ideas for getting these images into
a SGI GL format, and perhaps a pointer to an archive that has some
images readily avialable, and (ideally) a location where I can find
some utilities that will make my life easier

any help will be appreciated

John
From: MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: PUBS: Virtual Sexism, Pimentel and Texteira??
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:08:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k5c7rINNhng
Organization: University of Washington
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Cheers to Denise and Bob..... the battle is not only in VR but in
almost all areas of technology and education.

One of the problems is that men (and I am a white one)(also mid-class,
etc), I should say some men, don't find those issues to be important
until you turn the tables on them... there is an interesting book by
Freenberg entitled:"Critical Theory and Technology" that is worth
reading... as well as one by Ellsworth on "Media Images and Ideology".

bob muffoletto
muffoletto@uni.edu

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can be acted on (like this one), the subject is somewhat off the
s.v-w axis. -- Bob Jacobson]
From: mckinley@fnalnh.fnal.gov (V04410_MCKINLEY, JAMES T.)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: Re: JOBS: Industries and VR?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 06:44:01 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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In article <1jgatuINNdbt@shelley.u.washington.edu>, magick@iastate.edu (Krutch) 
writes...
> 
> 
>Hello. Although I am just getting started in Virtual Reality
>programming, I have been interested in the subject for quite a while.
>My roomate and I have come up with numerous ideas for VR work in game
>and educational settings.
> 
>What I am wondering is, plain and simple, what it takes to break into
>the business. I spend a lot of my time outside of going to classes
>brushing up on my C and C++ skills, and attempting to work out 3d
>drawing, shading, etc techniques.
> 
>Are there companies out there that are looking for ideas from "no
>names?"  Better yet, what are the possibilities of getting internships
>with some of the world's Virtual Reality leaders?
> 
>Any replies would be appreciated. Mail would probably be faster,
>however, as my time is limited on the many newsgroups I subscribe to.
>Thanks in advance.
> 
>Robert Gooch
>magick@iastate.edu
> 
>-- 
>= Robert Gooch (magick@iastate.edu)      ---     Programmer Wannabe           =
>=                                        ---     Mac, IBMs, Amigas and more.. =
>=      Virtual Reality, the place to be.                                      =
>= Disclaimer: I might be a longhair, but so was Jesus...                      =

I would also be very interested in this information.  I am writing my Ph.D. 
thesis in experimental high energy physics now and plan to graduate in about
1 1/2 - 2 years and am considering rtrying to get a job (postdoc or permanent) i
n
VR development.  Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time.

                                                    Jim

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From: jpc@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au (John Costella)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: TECH: GAA (Galilean Anti-Aliasing)
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:09:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k5ch9INNhpe
Organization: University of Washington
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Thanks to the people who have volunteered to run the Tensor class
through its paces. Code will be sent out through an informal mailing
list in the next couple of days. If you want the code please send me
an e-mail asking to be added to the list.

. . .

For those people who baulked at the length and pedagogy of the first
paper on Galilean Antialiasing, there is now a slim version that is
about 85% shorter. Bare technical details only are discussed, and
(sob! 8-( ) the Melbourne trams are gone. The paper is available from
the anon-ftp site

                   tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au

in the directory
  
                     pub/papers/galilean

and titled BriefPaper.ps and BriefPaper.tex. I'll give it to Mark for
the world-renowned sci-vw archives too---if he wants it. :-)

John

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From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon)
Newsgroups: sci.virtual-worlds
Subject: TECH: PowerGlove....
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:11:57 cst
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
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     Can anyone e-mail technical specs on the PowerGlove????  I would
like to write a program that reads input from the power glove.  I am
especially interested in the modes of the Glove (regular vs Hires )
and format of the data.  I will make the software available publicly
when I finish so it will be to everyone's advantage.  I also am
interested in purchasing two more powergloves, a right handed and a
left handed glove.