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From: chozinsa@ucs.orst.edu (Ann Chozinski)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Seminar Snacks
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:35:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvKvBE.uv
Distribution: or
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

This quarter I am in charge of setting up the snacks for seminars in
the department.  I'm bored with the usual coffee, tea, juice and cookies.
I want to know your best tasting, easy to buy, seminar "eats" that was
unusual and fun.  The more ideas the better...

The common items each time must be coffee, hot water, a cold drink and
something munchy.  Anything goes... please, fill my tummy with ideas so
that I can fill theirs too!!!!

Annie

PS.  If it matters...its the Horticulture Department.  THANKS
Newsgroups: or.general
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: Caller ID available in Oregon?
Organization: Organization
Distribution: or.general, pdx.general, pnw.general
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:43:43 GMT

In article <WYATTW.92Sep28150423@loowit.wr.tek.com> wyattw@loowit.wr.tek.com (Wyatt Webb;6291592;92-835) writes:
>As the Subject sez... Is this service available in Oregon.  The GTE

  The technology is certainly available, but implementation has been
held up in some areas of the country for political reasons.

>Oh, and if it is available, is it an extra cost on your phone bill??

  What do you think?  :-)



Xref: sparky or.general:565 pdx.general:1144 ogi.general:28
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: Caller ID available in Oregon?
Organization: Organization
Distribution: or
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:24:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.080750.8218@fasttech.uucp> zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:
>In <WYATTW.92Sep28150423@loowit.wr.tek.com> wyattw@loowit.wr.tek.com (Wyatt Webb;6291592;92-835) writes:
>
>>As the Subject sez... Is this service available in Oregon.  The GTE
>>drone sounded less than informed on the subject and so decided to give
>>me his personal opinion.  Not very useful...
>
>Various GTE employees were given a training course in CLASS last summer, so
>GTE may eventually offer it. Politics (ie, privacy concerns) seem to be the
>big holdup. My exchange is a 5ESS, which is definitely capable of CLASS.


  Perhaps when local phone service is de-monopolized we will finally
see some action in this area.
From: kensm@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Kenneth S Smith)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe's Appeal (Was Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:13:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7183
Reply-To: kensm@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <3703@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.231422.7503@qiclab.scn.rain.com> al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:
>>
>>>The amazing thing is that while I really didn't expect much, I was really
>>>underwhelmed. 
>
>I was struck by so many people willing to stand in
>line stretching around the block for hours on end just to get into
>the place. Talk about brain-dead, overconsumptive Americans! Get a life!!
>
>Mike


Actually I saw about a 20-30% leave ratio without going in on Sunday
afternoon of the openning. 

After being told I could not even take a look inside without standing
in the registration line, and checking their "10 minute" wait with people
who had been in line for 30-40 minutes; bagged it.

Other than a small cloud of burned rubber at the exit of the parking lot,
did not bother to let them know my opinion.  I may look in a couple of 
months, but have heard no incentive to go out of my way.  


Ken
From: trost@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Bill Trost)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:40:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.TROST.92Oct4214050
	<1992Sep29.231422.7503@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Beaverton, OR
In-reply-to: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com's message of 29 Sep 92 23:14:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.231422.7503@qiclab.scn.rain.com> al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:
   No you did the right thing by leaving - there's nothing "incredible"
   about the store once you get in!

Sure there is -- it's incredible they could make such a big deal out
of a electronics department store!

Actually, the introductory offer to develop a roll of film for $2 was
a good deal.  I have no idea how much it costs normal, though....
--
Bill Trost <trost@cse.ogi.edu>   If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will
			      encrypt.
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:14:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Sep29.231422.7503
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

In article <1992Sep25.162731.26311@klic.rain.com> keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom) writes:
>If you are thinking about visiting the "Incredible Universe" store in
>Wilsonville, you should know that they demand your name and address at the
>door, before they let you in.  I should have stayed to see if they were 
>checking ID - I suppose I could have given a false name if they weren't.

No you did the right thing by leaving - there's nothing "incredible"
about the store once you get in!

I decided to check out the place today..and whether I gave my correct data
to the computer there is between me and them..

The amazing thing is that while I really didn't expect much, I was really
underwhelmed.  There are about half a dozen "stores" there, and none are
really very good.  The music/video software store has about the selection
and prices at most Fred Meyer's, which is to say 1/4 the size of Tower and
prices $2 higher than Tower.  The computer software store was again much
smaller than Egghead and not very competitive.  The camera store was a real
joke - sort of like the selection at K-Mart, mostly point & shoot, some
SLR's, but with CWO in town they are completely outclassed, heck even
Shutterbug is much better!  The final straw was the $199 price tag on the
80387DX Intel math chips...

There is NO high end audio.  No real professional video, cameras or
sound gear.  I hope they really can get rich by underestimating the
intelligence of the American consumer...but I don't see much reason
to ever visit them again.  I can do better at Smith's, Silo, Tower
and so forth.  Pretty bad...

-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: or.general
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:09:14 GMT

trost@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Bill Trost) writes:

Someone did to a bunch of sites around the world what FidoNet called 
a "bombing run": using the maps to hit a bunch of sites with information 
that the receiving sites hadn't asked for.  I edited this message from
one angry SysAdmin quite a bit, but I thought it was interesting to see
a message from the Netherlands that seemed somewhat relevant.  I know
that at least one of the Scandinavian countries has pretty tight
restrictions on databases too ...

Edited Message follows:

From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc

> I'm not too familiar with US law concerning the gathering of
> addresses, but it is illegal to have such a database in my country.
> (I mean, you can have any database you want, but you must register
> that fact and than there are some rules about having to
> consent to being in the database, government exempted as always).

Jeeze, there goes my Christmas list!   :-)

--
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PDaXs gives free access to news & mail. (503) 220-0636 - 1200/2400, N81  
"When databases are outlawed, only outlaws will have databases."
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Toys R Us also wants ID
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Oct4.080020.2946
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) writes:
: 
: It gets even more ludicrous: I once bought a pack of batteries for cash
: at Toys R Us.  They overcharged me.  I noticed this only after the
: transaction was complete and I had the receipt in my hand.  I pointed
: out the problem, and their only remedy was to "exchange" the overpriced
: batteries for the correctly-priced batteries.  And guess what personal
: information they needed to perform this exchange?

None, if you threatened to sue them for fraud/theft or whatever. Make
enough noise, and it is surprising what can be accomplished.

Bill
From: mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe's Appeal (Was Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:42:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3703
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

>In article <1992Sep29.231422.7503@qiclab.scn.rain.com> al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:
>
>>The amazing thing is that while I really didn't expect much, I was really
>>underwhelmed. 

I was struck by so many people willing to stand in
line stretching around the block for hours on end just to get into
the place. Talk about brain-dead, overconsumptive Americans! Get a life!!

Mike
From: trost@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Bill Trost)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:37:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.TROST.92Oct4213708
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Beaverton, OR
In-reply-to: herbw@wiskit.rain.com's message of 26 Sep 92 14:24:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.142421.28047@wiskit.rain.com> herbw@wiskit.rain.com (Herb Weiner) writes:
   One time, I brought an item back for a refund and gave the salesman
   the item and my sales slip.  He then requested my phone number
   again.... He refused to give me a refund until I gave him my "real"
   phone number.

You should have just told him you had changed your number.  A phone
number certainly doesn't qualify as an ID....
--
Bill Trost <trost@cse.ogi.edu>   How does public spending create jobs that
			      private spending doesn't?
Newsgroups: or.general
From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:18:33 GMT

herbw@wiskit.rain.com (Herb Weiner) writes:
>Whenever I bought something at Radio Shack, I gave them a phony phone
>number.

I always use my modem number --- let them send me email if they want
to get ahold of me.

Actually though, for the last year or so, they've only asked for the
last four digits of the number, and when I go to a different store for
whatever reason, they don't usually even ask for the whole thing.
-- 
Alan Batie                               \
batie@agora.rain.com                      \       Vote NO on Discrimination
+1 503 452-0960                          / \      Vote NO on 9!
45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL     /   \
From: richa@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Rich Amber)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:46:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3666
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

I went in on opening day. They asked my name and address and put it in their
computer, then handed me a card with a UPC-style code  on the back. Then, to
actually enter the sales floor, my card was scanned to log me in. At the
checkouts, they scan your card to register your purchase. I thought about
this while wandering around looking at all the toys. I decided that I do not
want a computer record for the world to know what I bought and when. So,
I won't be going back there.

Before the flamers let me know that there is already a record on all credit
purchases, I  do not use credit cards for the same reason. It is not anybody's
business but mine what I buy and where I buy it.

Use cash...  it blows the system's collective mind.
From: trost@romulus.reed.edu (Bill Trost)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:50:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.TROST.92Sep27225001
Organization: Reed College

In article <1992Sep25.162731.26311@klic.rain.com> keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom) writes:
   ...they demand your name and address at the door, before they let
   you in.  I should have stayed to see if they were checking ID - I
   suppose I could have given a false name if they weren't.

They weren't checking ID.  And if they were, I would have lied and
said I'd just moved....

...and I even remember what phone number I gave them.  Some good
choices are:

  * your favorite modem (preferably a fast one, they're noisier) --
    fax might do, too
  * a nearby Radio Shack (give the address, too -- that way, they get
    junk mail!)

Gee, that reminds me -- the Theftway on 170th (or so) and Farmington
wanted my phone number to reimburse me for my pop cans.  I was rather
ticked off at the notion, but didn't feel like challenging it.  I just
want to see them whistle PEP....  :-)
--
Bill Trost <trost@reed.edu>   If someone wants to believe in something, that
			      doesn't make it true.
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Toys R Us also wants ID
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:11:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.1864
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"I would have responded "No, but you don't live in my house. So
	there is no reason for you to be able to find it.""

We said something like this.  The answer was "it's policy to get street
address and phone number for exchanges."  Even exchanges of defective
products purchased for cash.

It gets even more ludicrous: I once bought a pack of batteries for cash
at Toys R Us.  They overcharged me.  I noticed this only after the
transaction was complete and I had the receipt in my hand.  I pointed
out the problem, and their only remedy was to "exchange" the overpriced
batteries for the correctly-priced batteries.  And guess what personal
information they needed to perform this exchange?

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: or.general
From: herbw@wiskit.rain.com (Herb Weiner)
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Summary: And just wait until you try to get a refund
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 14:24:21 GMT
Organization: Kitchen Wisdom Publishing Company, Portland, Oregon USA

Keith Lofstrom (keithl@klic.rain.com) writes:

> If you are thinking about visiting the "Incredible Universe" store in
> Wilsonville, you should know that they demand your name and address at the
> door, before they let you in.  I should have stayed to see if they were
> checking ID - I suppose I could have given a false name if they weren't.

Actually, I wasn't even thinking about it, since the Incredible Universe
is brought to you by the same folks who gave us Radio Shack (Tandy).
Whenever I bought something at Radio Shack, I gave them a phony phone
number.  One time, I brought an item back for a refund and gave the
salesman the item and my sales slip.  He then requested my phone number
again.  Oops.  Not remembering the number I had originally given him,
I gave him a different number.  No dice.  He refused to give me a refund
until I gave him my "real" phone number.  I refused, and walked out.
I haven't been back since.

Herb
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Caller ID available in Oregon?
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:14:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.1865
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"I recently checked again by calling the local customer
	dis-service number a few weeks ago."

It's not up to the phone companies.  CLASS is up for tariff.  Call the
Oregon PUC for details.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Xref: sparky or.general:559 or.politics:199 rec.food.restaurants:2088
From: drazil@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Devin Ben-Hur)
Newsgroups: or.general,or.politics,rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Dine Against Nine
Date: 26 Sep 92 02:54:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Sep26.025437.727
Organization: Are you kidding?

Here's a list of restaurants who are supporting the "No On 9" campaign
tomorrow night, by contributing at least 10% of their profits for "Dine
Against 9," Saturday Sept 26th.

This means that if you eat at one of these places Sat Sept 26,
they'll contribute the posted amount to the No on 9 campaign.  So if
you're going go out to eat anyway, well, maybe keep these places in
mind.

(There are also some places that are contributing less that we didn't
type in.  This is from the list as of Sept 22.  Contact the No on 9
folks for more info, at 232-4501.)


    Delphina's -- 10%
    Cafe Mingo -- 10%
    Cup 'N Saucer Cafe -- 10%
    Santa Fe Tacqueria -- 10%
    Lorn & Dottie's Luncheonette -- 10%
    Old Wives' Tales -- 10%
    Molly Blooms -- 10%
    Zerfiro Restarant and Bar -- 10%
    Happy Harvest Grocers and Cafe -- 10%
    Vista Spring Cafe -- 10%
    Ron Paul Catering and Charcuterie -- 10%
    Escape from New York Pizza -- 10%
    The Laurelthirst Public House -- 20%
    Lotsa Pasta -- 15%
    Key Largo -- 10%
    Chez Jose (Broadway and Terwilliger restaurants) -- 10%
    Casa-U-Betcha -- 10%
    American Dream Pizza -- 10%

-- 
Devin Ben-Hur        [drazil@qiclab.scn.rain.com]
"Your civilization makes us laugh..."
From: johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe Store wants ID
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:54:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: forthd.67.2ac9a37d
Reply-To: johnl@espace
Distribution: or
Organization: Fourth Dimension, Portland OR

In article <1992Sep25.162731.26311@klic.rain.com>, keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom) writes:
> If you are thinking about visiting the "Incredible Universe" store in
> Wilsonville, you should know that they demand your name and address at the
> door, before they let you in.  I should have stayed to see if they were 
> checking ID - I suppose I could have given a false name if they weren't.
> 
> Keith
> 
> -- 
> Keith Lofstrom         keithl@klic.rain.com       Voice (503)-520-1993
> KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
> Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Power ICs

  I am having a probelm getting Compaq Prolinea PC's from my usual vendors.
  I called IU. I asked a clerk if they carried that model. Yes - she said.
  I asked how much - she asked if I had an IU card. I said nope. She said
  that she could not give me the price over the phone - but that they were
  very competitive! We bantered for a while & she wouldn't give me a price.
  I asked how many they had - more foot dragging, etc... She told me they
  were in stock. I said then I can buy 22 of them then. Well... wait a
  minute - no we only have 2, but we have more on order and we give
  discounts for quantity. What would the price be? And again - all I
  can tell you is that we are very competitive.

  The personnel & attitude there is definitly the same as Dairy Queen.
  As a result of the PC market changes & onsite warranties, I have found
  that it is often faster & cheaper to buy PC's from COSTCO, etc...
  I purchase about 50-100 a year. Guess where I will NEVER purchase
  these products from....

  Too bad - they had potential.

-- 
 John Lebert                              Internet: johnl@espace  
 Fourth Dimension                     Modem (9600): (503)236-5068 
 Portland, OR                                Voice: (503)234-4364 
              *May I be excused?  My brain is full.*

                Press CTRL-ALT-DEL to continue....
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Toys R Us also wants ID
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:57:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.1856
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"Whenever I bought something at Radio Shack, I gave them a
	phony phone number.  One time, I brought an item back for a
	refund and gave the salesman the item and my sales slip.  He
	then requested my phone number again."

We got a similar runaround at Toys R Us in Tigard.  Went to replace a
defective $3 toy.  They demanded home address.  Gave them our PO box.
The manager got surly -- "you don't live in a PO box, do you?"  Walked
out.

Good prices, but atrocious customer "service."

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: johng@oce.orst.edu (John A. Gregor)
Newsgroups: orst.test,orst.cs.test,or.test
Subject: test of course
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:50:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvDBsC.5un
Distribution: or
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography

No need for ACKs
-JohnG
-- 
         John A. Gregor			USmail:	College of Oceanography
 E-mail: johng@oce.orst.edu			Oregon State University
Voice #: +1 503 737-3022			Oceanography Admin Bldg. #104
  Fax #: +1 503 737-2064			Corvallis, OR  97331-5503
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: liberal activists
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:31:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep29.013110.28121
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Sep28.163745.16555@leela.cs.orst.edu> downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs) writes:
>it's not up to *any* group of people to decide that a way of life is
>better than another.. 

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly why Measure 9
should be voted against. Measure 9 requires the state to teach that
homosexuality is inferior to heterosexuality - a group of people
deciding that a way of life is better than another.

>each one of us decides how to live our lives, regardless of what the
>majority may think... 

again, beautifully said. Voting for Measure 9 would prevent me from
deciding how to live my life. (well, not exactly. I will continue to
be gay no matter which way Measure 9 goes. I very well might be gay in
a state other than Oregon, though.)

>it's not up to homosexuals to promote their way of life

Is there a meaningful definition of "promote" here? What sort of
promotion are you talking about, exactly?

>since most high school students are under 18 years of age, their
>parents still have some say in their lives. and you most realize that
>most people that have children are heterosexual.

I'll try to get some references on teenage suicide as related to
sexual orientation some days. The statistic I remember off the top of
my head is "1/3 of teen suicides are related to sexual orientation",
but I might have it backwards and it's "1/3 of gay teens seriously
consider suicide." The report was done by the federal government, much
to the embarassment of the Bush administration.

A lot of lesbian or gay teens encounter serious emotional difficulty
when they realize their sexuality is different from other peoples'. I
went through this myself about four years aog. If Measure 9 passes,
schools will be required to teach gay teens that what they feel is
morally wrong. How's that going to effect an already distressed teen?
The OCA claims to be for family values?

>sorry, too much liberalism in the world for that. it's all a matter of
>balance.. something that neither the OCA nor the gay activists have.

and Measure 9 would disturb this balance. It is an extremely radical
piece of legislation, something that has not been seen since the Jim
Crow days.

Please, remember to vote this November. You still have a few weeks to
register if you are not yet registered.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     What in this room is alive and what doesn't have life?