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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Rapid inductions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:24:35 GMT

In <1992Nov22.214054.2837@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Albert.L.Samuels@dartmouth.edu (Albert L. Samuels) writes:

>Does anyone know any effective rapid induction techniques?  I have
>heard that there are some that work well, and allow you to spend more
>time with the person in a trance and less time actually hypnotising
>them.  I assume that some people are more susceptible to these
>techniques (if they exist) than others.  Thanks! 

1.  The well-known "handshake" induction does just fine; anyone with
    any kind of working experience with hypnosis can commence induction
    in less than a sentence's worth.

2.  Your objective, "spend more time with the person in trance" misses
    major beneficial parts of the process of hypnosis; constructing the
    relationship is more important than the outcome (unless you're on
    stage).

3.  There are no resistant subjects...only insufficiently flexible
    hypnotists.  Every subject is absolutely unique.
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   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer     courage, something which narrow
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From: pete_leaback@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Leaback)
Subject: Hypnosis and religion.
Reply-To: pete_leaback@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:27:00 +0000



I don't want to step on anyone's toes or offend, I would just like to
hear peoples views.

I think there are some striking similarities between religious 
ceremonies/experiences and hypnosis.
                                                                
People say that when they 'give themselfs to god', they are touched
by something that calms them.

When I put myself in a hypnotic state, one method of deepening
the hypnotic state I use is to accept completely what the voice is 
saying,allow the voice on the tape to take COMPLETE control.

Also, I have found without explicit suggestion, I have gone into
a euphoric state while under hypnosis.

One can also see some aspects of religious ceremonies that are similar
to hypnotic induction sequences.

Now, I'm not saying that religious experiences are hypnosis, just that 
there seems to be some similarities.

Pete.

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From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Subject: Re: Accidental deletion
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:55:01 GMT

In article <BxvIzq.1qD@dcs.ed.ac.uk> mlxh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Michael Howard) writes:
>In article <6465@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J) writes:
>>Richard Kennaway (jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk) wrote:
>>: In <1992Nov16.034939.18054@ncsu.edu> bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE) writes:
>>: 
>>: > Someone sent me an email which contained a step-through for self hypnosis, or
>>: >inducing trances(I can't quite remember as I only scanned over it at the time).
>>: >Well, before I could seriously read it, I accidentally deleted my Mail with
>>: >a typo and I lost the letter.  Could/Would you mail me another copy, if you can
>>: >remember what you said?  Of course mailings from others would also be accepted
>>: >cheerfully. 8)
>>: 
>>: If someone could *post* such a thing, many people would appreciate it.
>>: Failing that, consider ths a me-too request.
>>: 
>>
>>And me too please!
>
>Me three! <mlxh@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
>
>
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From: myers-g@sunfish.cis.ohio-state.edu (garrett myers)
Subject: Question about sleep/hypnosis
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:55:37 GMT


Hello all,

	Ever since I heard about hypnosis, I have been wondering something.
I don't hold much stock in the regression or memory therapy hypnosis 
purports to be capable of because I have heard many reports that say
the patient, under hypnosis, is so driven to please the hypnotizer that
he/she often just makes stuff up to please the hypnotizer.
	I am, however, very interested in something I have heard more than
once, and that is that an hour of hyponosis is worth 8 hours of sleep.
	I would really appreciate any insight or references to some good
literature on this facet of hypnosis.
	Note: if you can only be made to believe that you've had 8 hours of
sleep and your body still needs the other 7 hours, please let me know that
as well.
    			Thanks for any help,
			Garrett

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From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:55:05 GMT
	<1eb5gdINNkuo@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

In article <1eb5gdINNkuo@agate.berkeley.edu>
bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:

   You mean Milgram.  Milliken, if I remember correctly, was the physicist
   who did something or other with oil drops to measure the mass or charge
   of the electron -- it's been a long time since high school, sorry.

Yes, indeed.  I knew it was not Milliken, but my dyslectic fingers
typed an approximation to the spelling anyway.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:18:53 GMT

As I read your post about your mis-uses of hypnosis, and
your inability to hypnotize adults, I was struck with a
thought:

I want to compliment your unconscious for knowing when to
disable your inappropriate behaviors by disabling your
hypnotic abilities.

I, for one, would be loathe on the evidence you've given, to
offer you any constructive advice or counsel until you have
acquired a more respectful view of people and their boundaries.
-- 
--Friday                               "There is in true beauty, as in
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer     courage, something which narrow
   Deep Woods Technology                    souls cannot dare to admire."
     friday@netcom.com                            --William Congreve 
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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Question about sleep/hypnosis
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:25:35 GMT

In <1992Nov17.155537.7439@cis.ohio-state.edu> myers-g@sunfish.cis.ohio-state.edu (garrett myers) writes:
>I don't hold much stock in the regression or memory therapy hypnosis 
>purports to be capable of because I have heard many reports that say
>the patient, under hypnosis, is so driven to please the hypnotizer that
>he/she often just makes stuff up to please the hypnotizer.

The proficient hypnotist has ways of eliciting information without
providing clues as to what is expected, and then eliciting differing
perspectives in subsequent sessions to validate the information first
elicited.  You *can* validate the data.

>	I am, however, very interested in something I have heard more than
>once, and that is that an hour of hyponosis is worth 8 hours of sleep.

IME, it works well when never abused.  If I need to be especially alert
after a short night's sleep, I can make a pact with my unconscious (a form
of self-hypnosis) to get that alertness in return for, say, a promise to
be in bed by 10 pm that very same day.  You can also do this before-the-
fact, on the evening before you know you're going to have a short night's
sleep.

IMO, it is not ecological for the entire person to try to reduce sleep
hours to (say) 2 hours a night from a normal 8 on a regular basis; there
are important functions of REM sleep, etc., that are essential to well-
being.  So, use it as a temporary expedient, but don't attempt it as
a long-term practice.
-- 
--Friday                               "There is in true beauty, as in
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer     courage, something which narrow
   Deep Woods Technology                    souls cannot dare to admire."
     friday@netcom.com                            --William Congreve
From: kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu (Kevin Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: My Hypnotic Experiences
Date: 19 Nov 1992 12:16:11 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

I am a newcomer to the area of hypnosis, and wanted to share my experiences
in the hopes of getting a better "experience."

My first contact with a hypnotist was about two years ago, during a show put
on by my dorm.  At that time a purchased a self hypnosis tape that the guy
had made.

When the guy was actually doing the show, he picked a number of people out
of the audience.  I didn't want to go up, but I wanted to try to be hypnotized.
I was sitting up against a pool table on a hard floor, and didn't expect much
to happen, but to my surprize, I felt myself starting to go under.

I felt my eyes starting to roll back in my head, and was very relaxed.  The
guy started to count backwards from 10 to 1, saying tha we were going to 
be in a trance when he got to one.  Well, he got to 8, and I felt my eyes 
all of the sudden go WAY back in my dead (to the point that it hurt).  I 
thought to myself that I was going under too quickly, so I tried slowing
the process down.  That was my mistake--I immediately came out of the trance
that I was in and could not recover.

The next day, I played the tape, and immediately went under again.  (I must
be really suseptible to hypnosis.)  When I came out, I was very relaxed,
my skin had actually gotten cold and clammy, and my eyes HURT (because 
they were trying to look out the back of my head, it seems).  The hurt for
remainder of the day.  

Since then, I kind of ignored the topic of hypnosis, until I saw this new 
group.  Tonight I saw Sunil Gupta's posting of a hypnosis tutorial, and 
grabbed it up.

I also have an Amiga, so I loaded it into my word processor, and had it 
read the post to me.  I was under when the thing was counting backwards
to get more relaxed--way before the post was supposed to brint you under.

My eyes rolled back in my head (and they still hurt!), my skin got cold 
and clammy--the whole 9 yards.

My question is this:  Is there a way to avoid the pain?  I don't really
enjoy the headaches afterwords, but love the relaxation that hypnosis
provides.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Any other tips are, of
course, also welcome and enjouraged.

Thanks,

Kevin
kevinm@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: shaw@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Rob Shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: "Dream Machine"
Date: 15 Nov 92 00:44:43 GMT
Reply-To: shaw@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Rob Shaw)
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science

The Lucidity Institute now has a simpler device than the
DreamLight (the $1000 machine) available. It is called
the DreamLink, you can write them for more info, or ask
them on alt.dreams.

Rob
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: shaibani@parker.rsip.lsu.edu (Shaibani B. Shaibani)
Subject: Re: Accidental deletion
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:34:42 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-12823]: parker.rsip.lsu.edu

me too (shaibani@parker.rsip.lsu.edu)
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From: isilver@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: Here's how to hyp. self and others
Date: 22 NOV 92 06:02:41 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

      Regarding what Ed Carp had to say:- I agree, 100%. Anyone
who tries that sort of tack, should be smacked on the head a few
times - and DEFINITELY prosecuted. You can do great damage, & end
up in jail.
      Something harmless you can do with a person who is hypno-
tised, is to leave them with a suggestion - I usually tell them
"If I, and only I say RICE for the next hour, you'll say
NOSTRIL." It works, & nobody gets upset. And then, I'd only do it
if I were asked to do so.
             Regards
                            Ian
From: mlxh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Michael Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Accidental deletion
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:50:13 GMT
Reply-To: mlxh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Michael Howard)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <6465@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J) writes:
>Richard Kennaway (jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk) wrote:
>: In <1992Nov16.034939.18054@ncsu.edu> bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE) writes:
>: 
>: > Someone sent me an email which contained a step-through for self hypnosis, or
>: >inducing trances(I can't quite remember as I only scanned over it at the time).
>: >Well, before I could seriously read it, I accidentally deleted my Mail with
>: >a typo and I lost the letter.  Could/Would you mail me another copy, if you can
>: >remember what you said?  Of course mailings from others would also be accepted
>: >cheerfully. 8)
>: 
>: If someone could *post* such a thing, many people would appreciate it.
>: Failing that, consider ths a me-too request.
>: 
>
>And me too please!

Me three! <mlxh@dcs.ed.ac.uk>


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From: cpetterb@javelin.sim.es.com (Cary Petterborg)
Subject: Re: Question about sleep/hypnosis
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.155537.7439@cis.ohio-state.edu> myers-g@sunfish.cis.ohio-state.edu (garrett myers) writes:

>	   Note: if you can only be made to believe that you've had 8 hours of
>   sleep and your body still needs the other 7 hours, please let me know that
>   as well.

I've heard this a number of times, but *I* don't know.  Would have been
great around finals time (when I was in school 12 years ago).  ;-)

Cary
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From: clint@waldron.stanford.edu (Jennifer Dole)
Subject: DreamLight on TV!
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:38:55 GMT

I've seen some interest/ discussion here about the DreamLight,
a computerized biofeedback device available from the Lucidity Institute.
For those of you wanting more info, check out the folowing:

WHAT:  The DreamLight (a lucid dream induction device)
WHERE:"Beyond 2000", the Discovery Channel
WHEN:  Wednesday, November 18th (check local listings)

Good News!

The DreamLight will be featured in a segment of the television
program, "Beyond 2000." The show airs on the Discovery Channel,
Wednesday, November 18th. It's probably on in the evening, but
check local listings for times.

It's a good segment, informative and humorous. For anyone who's
been wondering about the DreamLight (what it looks like, how it
really works, etc.), this show is a must see!

[For more info on the DreamLight or the Lucidity Institute,
email your physical address to clint@matia.stanford.edu,
and the info that you request will be sent to you via snail mail.]
From: weiss@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Hypnotic phenomena
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:54:33 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

At Larry Fite's request, I am relating an experience where I had hypnotized
someone else.

I had read plenty on the subject after seeing one of those hypnosis shows, and
talked extensively with a few people who had done it numerous times.  My
freshman year at UCLA, I gained permission from a close friend of mine to
attempt it.  This was about the fifth time I attempted to bring someone under
hypnosis, so I was pretty sure what to expect.  I was surprised.  She fell
under an extremely deep state, and related past experiences as if she were
there performing them.

Specifially, we went back to her thirteenth birthday.  She immediately started
speaking and behaving much more juvenilely than her 18 years.  It was quite
amazing.  In any case, we went to two other times in her life, with her
behavior changing accordingly.

Finally, I asked her to open her eyes, but remain in the trance.  She then, at
my request, played the clarinet for a few notes, but said that she didn't like
playing it any more.  Shortly thereafter, she asked me to bring her out of the
trance, so I asked her to lie down and close her eyes.  I then proceeded to do
the usual counting until she woke up.

She performed autoamnesia, so she had no recollection of what we had discussed.
When I related the conversation to her, she corroborated all of her statements,
but seemed to be quite uneasy about the whole thing.  As a result, she never
did let me hypnotize her again.

The irony is that I had never seen something like that before, and haven't
since.
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From: 880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca (Nelson Langille)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Here's how to hyp. self and others
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:08:05 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

isilver@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:

>      Regarding what Ed Carp had to say:- I agree, 100%. Anyone
>who tries that sort of tack, should be smacked on the head a few
>times - and DEFINITELY prosecuted. You can do great damage, & end
>up in jail.
>      Something harmless you can do with a person who is hypno-
>tised, is to leave them with a suggestion - I usually tell them
>"If I, and only I say RICE for the next hour, you'll say
>NOSTRIL." It works, & nobody gets upset. And then, I'd only do it
>if I were asked to do so.
>             Regards
>                            Ian

I also agree, I tried posting a few times, and I think it only worked
once the file was not modified, so for those who didn't see.. I only
posted this as is.  It came from a local BBS, and I have never attempted
to (probably never will) use any of this.  Thought it might be
of some interest.
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From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Subject: Re: Accidental deletion
Originator: bjbisset@c00008-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:55:11 GMT


 Up to a me four, and a couple of mail requests, but still no answer.  So will
the person who originally mailed me please remail me?  I remember the first
letter of their address was an a...
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From: dmcmilla@djm.cs.gmr.com (Don McMillan CS 50)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Tapes?
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:35:26 GMT
Reply-To: dmcmilla@djm.cs.gmr.com (Don McMillan CS 50)


In article <memo.764397@cix.compulink.co.uk>,
pete_leaback@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Leaback) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> When I put myself in a hypnotic state, one method of deepening
|> the hypnotic state I use is to accept completely what the voice is 
|> saying,allow the voice on the tape to take COMPLETE control.
|> 

What tapes? Are there tapes readily available for inducing hynosis? 
Where can I find them?


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From: cs89ssg@brunel.ac.uk (Sunil Gupta)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Rapid inductions
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:41:22 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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Albert L. Samuels (Albert.L.Samuels@dartmouth.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone know any effective rapid induction techniques?  I have
: heard that there are some that work well, and allow you to spend more
: time with the person in a trance and less time actually hypnotising
: them.  I assume that some people are more susceptible to these
: techniques (if they exist) than others.  Thanks! 
: 
: 
: al
I just read recently that one particular hypnostist (Joe Keeton) did the
hypnosis and suggested that when he said a particular word, the person would
fall into a deep state of hypnosis, brought them out of hypnosis and chatted to
them.

The subject was unaware that a keyword had been given, so whilst talking to the
subject, the hypnotist inserted the keyword quite out of context.

if the subject had been properly relaxed before they fell into a deep trance,
no more "hypnotising" was needed and the hypnotist could get on with the
therapy bit.
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:09:30 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation

In article <8672@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>First, anyone who says you won't do things under hypnosis that you
>wouldn't normally do, is wrong. When I was in junior high and high

People in this society believe they can drop their inhibitions under
hypnosis, so they do.  I conjecture if one called it something else than
hypnosis, it would be harder to get people to follow suggestions.

Belief is powerful.  There are some religious practices in the USA and other
cultures that hold when one is in a certain state of mind, they are allowed
to do certain things not normally allowed. And they do it.

Some people like Kreskin hold that people are normally incredibly suggestable
and you can get then to do unusual things without hypnosis.
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