HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:35:36 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Trufe
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (OSBORN ! "e") writes:
 >EST? Moonies? Christians? Baptists? Onanists?
				      ^^^

A reference to the Office of National Assessments, surely.  That is,
"Sure" to someone who has spent some spare time learning the ultimate
bullshit technique of postmodern criticism, where anything can be anything
depending on how you rip it apart and put it back together again.

Finally, critical theory for the atomic age?  No, just the newest way
for unappealing turds to self-actualisedly serenade girls who should
know better.  Why have substance when you can have form?  After all,
we all know how tedious it is to fill out a form.  Best to overwhelm
the opposition with nothing whatsoever, a technique that DAC came
close to perfecting, were it not for the fatal flaw -- it was fucking
stupid.

So, what IS the Office of National Assessments, and do they have
exciting training exercises like ASIS used to?


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Iain Sinclair   axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au                             ne cede.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender Wiggin)
Subject: Re: Trufe
Organization: Under protest
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:25:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.155032.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>He'll try the common Fido term of "echovangelism" on you!

I'll use the a.f term "bullheaded ignorance" on him !
Ender.
From: u8528268@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Andrew Beckhouse)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Doing us a favour
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:10:23 GMT
Reply-To: u8528268@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales

In article 712363295@flagon, osborn@sucs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
>Andrew is getting worse. His future demise 
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'll be here long after you've gone sonny...as many of my classmates, who've
long since graduated, will attest!!
                                            - due to his inscrutible urge
>to be provocatively stupid 

where only the stupid would react as you have...

                              - will be greeted with glee by all those who
>have had the misfortune to run across him without the benefit of driving
>a Mack truck at the time, except the pathetic little government department
>which eventually employs him as a useless urban undesigner of taste and
>smug phonogram of wordbites from wannabe fascists and other objectificating
>masturbators of no merit.

I can here the drip drip drip of fluid leaking from your nose, Tommy,
as the rest of your inadequate little brain leaks from its place of 
rest! Your quite interesting reply, bordering on unstable, reeks of
jealousy to me.

May I suggest a schooner or two of sedative!!

>I'm sure Sinkers will comment more wryly than me on the Andrew Dilemma...

...and no doubt point you in the direction of a reliable therapist.

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Trufe
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:48:47 GMT

In article <712130319.F00004@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au>, hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt) writes:

> Wednesday July 22 1992 07:50, Rod Swift wrote:

>  RS> (Yes, he's a Fido Luser!)

> One could say the same of you, or me for that matter :-)

But neither of us would admit it.  Anyway, we have not been wetware-destroyed
to the extent of Mr Sparrow!

>  RS> Phun, phun, phun!!!

> HEY DUDE GOT ANY NEW 0-1 DAY OLD WAREZ?
> PIRATING IS SUCH PHUN PHREAKING IS TOO PLEASE SEND ME YOUR BLUE BOX

It was a joke.

Phone, phone!  Lose, lose!

> :-)

Oh!  I guess you got the joke then!

>   NOTE! New path to cloud: ...!uunet!munnari!yarra!eyrie!cloud

Duly noted and most likely forgotten :v>

Rod
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From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Australia's new $5 note
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:44:34 GMT

Hello Nick!

Friday July 17 1992 10:30, Nick Andrew wrote:

 NA> They say Australians are a race of brainless yobbos - and at the thought
 NA> of thousands or perhaps millions of Aussies in this country trying to
 NA> destroy their new plastic toy I can quite believe it.

(a) Australians protested when the Reserve bank decided to replace Carolyn
    Chisolm with Queen Elizabeth II, someone who has/has had very little
    to do with Australia, unlike Chisolm. Since the mint has given us the
    opportunity, why should we not at least half rectify the situation?
    Now with biros we could draw Chisolm in!

(b) What's wrong with a little fun now and then? Oh well, I guess that's
    what UNIX system administration does to you. :-)


Regards,
Hamish


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Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane)
Subject: Re: One Eye (was Re: UTS to dust, Ultimo to ashes)
Organization: Group Treasury, State Bank of NSW
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:18:26 GMT

Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender Wiggin) writes:

>In article <osborn.711607400@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (OSBORN ! "e") writes:

>>I hear the rush of lemmings, again... ...Chris sometimes reminds me
>>of someone I have been trying to forget (or remember) for a long time,
>>but...

...and I love you too.

>>>Am I presenting a good enough target yet? Hmmmm?
>Keane, you are a fat target , however elephant shooting
>is not considered much fun.

Yes, but better a fat target than a fat arsehole.
The purpose of my previous article would have been clear to
you if you had taken the time to read it: Simply because
some loser decides they've never heard of me doesn't mean
that I'm going to let them have their way with me...

>>Are you getting paid to write this?
More than you can possibly imagine. Are we having fun?
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:22:16 GMT
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (OSBORN ! "e")
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Keanely frazed!

Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender Wiggin) writes:

>In article <osborn.711607400@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (OSBORN ! "e") writes:

>>I hear the rush of lemmings, again... ...Chris sometimes reminds me
>>of someone I have been trying to forget (or remember) for a long time,
>>but...

>Do you realise , Tom , that I ran the above text through my style
>comparator and it came to the conclusion that the poster was me.
>I'm not sure I'm keen on this, perhaps the algorithm is far
>too simple. 

I tried to keep it simple! However, there was no intention to be THAT simple.
The parenthetical inversion was used to reflect a position of mild apathy
- something which could only appreciate if the style comparator knew Mr Keane.

The triple ellypsis echoed the sentiment of 'not quite registering any 
importance' to what I was posting. But, I started with promise and whimsy
- "lemmings" is a term evocative of mindless obsession and inevitable
demise - "again" reinforces the thread, which drops into the counterpoint,	
"Chris", who is allowed to evaporate unless and until he contributes
something memorable. However, I won't be wasting my patience 
in 
anti-
ci-
pation...

>>>Am I presenting a good enough target yet? Hmmmm?

>Keane, you are a fat target , however elephant shooting
>is not considered much fun.

A Dr Who fan once told me of the Dalek's mind probe, and of the Ogrons - 
being so stupid that the mind probe had no effect on them. Maybe this kind 
of Ogric behaviour is one of the enemies of the clever country - an enemy 
without intent, without content, just an overwhelming desire to consume
(in this case, bandwidth, in general, any darned thing that is dangled
in front of them...)...

>>Are you getting paid to write this?

>No doubt getting paid while he writes, do some work !

Pass some exams!

TO!
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University of Technology, Sydney,        
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Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender Wiggin)
Subject: Re: One Eye (was Re: UTS to dust, Ultimo to ashes)
Organization: Under protest
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:57:39 GMT

In article <chris.711681506@rufus> chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:

>Yes, but better a fat target than a fat arsehole.
>The purpose of my previous article would have been clear to
>you if you had taken the time to read it: Simply because
>some loser decides they've never heard of me doesn't mean
>that I'm going to let them have their way with me...

Sorry , we are having our way with you. Tease, tempt, bait the
Newbie. Then fuck him over...

>>>Are you getting paid to write this?
>More than you can possibly imagine. Are we having fun?

Looks like DAC has a friend down in the a.f dungeon.
Ender.
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:35:35 GMT
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (OSBORN ! "e")
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Where's the rabble when you need them?


Apart from Brent and I, and the Canberran love.trio, there's been rather
little of interest posted here recently. I realise there'll be a bunch of
newbies who will purge their guts here in a couple of weeks, but I'd like
to see something edifying in the mean time - at least to keep my eye in!

Here are a few threads I'd be interested in conflagrating (ie, I contend that
all these propositions are false):

	Psychotherapy cures people.

	Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

	AI.

	Information Processing == Processing Information.

	Subservience && Self-Interest (aka, life == work in the organisation).

	Loyalty per se.

	"Rudeness can be taught".

	Murphy was right, afterall.

	It's not OK to exploit gullibility.

	It's OK to exploit gullibility.

Etc...

...or maybe something a little more concrete - like proving that all the
eigen values of a real symmetric matrix of odd rank are distinct and
positive (or so).

TO.

PS: The latest definition of AI I've heard: "In maths, you don't care how
many times you get it wrong, so long as you get it right in the end. Just
like in AI where you don't care if you get it wrong, just so long as you
pretend it was a success after you did it once...".
--
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School of Computing Sciences,                       but  not  more  so  ! "
University of Technology, Sydney,        
PO Box 123 Broadway 2007,  AUSTRALIA.             
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: u8528268@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Andrew Beckhouse)
Subject: Re: He is Back
Reply-To: u8528268@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:08:25 GMT

In article 14459@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU, god@heaven.edu.au () writes:


>"I like beer, I like cheese, I like the smell of a westerly breeze"

Phew, was that you, I thought it was the stables at Randwick!


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Date: 21 Jul 92 05:53:00 GMT
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (OSBORN ! "e")
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Trufe



Pssst! Are there any Scientologists out there listening?

EST? Moonies? Christians? Baptists? Onanists? Advertising Account Executives?
Human Resources Managers? Carnivores? Smokers? Bankers? Strategic Planners?
Fat, dribbling over-blown MacDonalds Eating Footy fans? Tourists? Lecturers
in Business Colleges? ...

If so, haven't you got something better to do with your life?

TO!
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School of Computing Sciences,                       but  not  more  so  ! "
University of Technology, Sydney,        
PO Box 123 Broadway 2007,  AUSTRALIA.
Date: 21 Jul 92 02:11:28 GMT
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Olympic S.I.L.T.S. (Swift I'd Like To Strangle)
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

(Rod Swift) writes:

 >Post those SILTS (Sports I'd Like To See) to me...  I'm compiling a *fun* list
 >of sports that people would like to see in Atlanta (1996) or Lillehammer

Fun?

 >  I'd like to see an Egg-and-Spoon Marathon in 1996.
  
:-|
  
 >Send them all to RSwiftRW@cc.curtin.edu.au  and  NOT to this newsgroup, as
 >it'll cut unwanted traffic.

Piss off swift, that'll cut the unwanted traffic.

                           Brent.

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Newsgroups: aus.acsnet
From: piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder)
Subject: Anyone have a simple sendmail.cf script (:-) for MHSnet?
Reply-To: piers@cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:42:53 GMT

I'm looking for a pure and simple script that knows how to deliver local
addresses into local mailboxes, and all other addresses to MHSnet.

I would appreciate all offers, especially if they are tried and tested.
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From: michi@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Michael Henning)
Newsgroups: aus.acsnet
Subject: Re: Routing loop at goanna
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:04:12 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder) writes:

>If your visibility is "oz.au" then you need only forward non-au addresses,
>any "xx.au" address will be automatically routed to "basser". And you should
>*all* be in "oz.au", unless your address ends in something else, or you have
>connections to non-oz.au sites, just to be kind to SUNIII sites.

>1.3 sites need only have:
>	forward	*.			N=basser.D=cs.O=su.P=oz.C=au

Well, that is what I had in my commandsfile all along, except that I was
forwarding to bunyip. My sendmail.cf passes "user@archie.au" to the
MHSnet mailer with user part "user" and destination part "archie.au".

Given the above entry in the commandsfile, the message should have been
delivered correctly, but instead we saw the infamous routing loop.

Question: How can I determine which version of MHSnet I am running?

The man pages all have a "(1.2)" at the top, so that leads me to conclude
that we are running 1.2, which would also explain why the routing loop
*did* occur.

On the other hand, netstate quite happily accepts commands of the form
"forward *. [region]", which leads me to conclude that we must be running
1.3, otherwise I would get an error. Which is correct?

I've looked through the output from netparams, and various other commands,
and I haven't been able to find a version number. The output of "what" on
various binaries also did not yield much of a clue.

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Newsgroups: aus.acsnet
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Routing loop at goanna
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:02:25 GMT

In <1992Jul27.024050.12420@cs.su.oz.au> piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder) writes:

| 1.2 sites should have the following list:
| 	forward	*.C=com			N=basser.D=cs.O=su.P=oz.C=au
| 	forward	*.C=edu			N=basser.D=cs.O=su.P=oz.C=au
| 	forward	*.C=gov			N=basser.D=cs.O=su.P=oz.C=au
| 	forward	*.C=org			N=basser.D=cs.O=su.P=oz.C=au

You're probably going to want lots more than that if you hope to
cover everything (.mil is an obvious and ancient missing one, and
of course .net (uunet.uu.net ...) but there's also .int and even
.nato - as well as the ever growing list of 2 letter country domains
of course).

kre
Newsgroups: aus.acsnet
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Routing loop at goanna
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:52:12 GMT

In <1992Jul27.021919.4356@cs.su.oz.au> piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder) writes:

| The routing loop is a SUNIII problem, not an ACSnet one :-)

We know that...

| (some MHSnet sites seem to
| have "archie.au" as a map for "plaza.aarnet.oz.au" -- maybe plaza exported
| this alias at one time or another?).

Perhaps, I didn't set it up, but I don't recall that, we had decided it
should be archie.oz.au well before MHSnet was installed there.

In any case, archie itself (plaza) does NOT believe its name is "archie.au"
on ACSnet, so if some site were to send a message intended for "archie.au"
to archie via MHSnet it would be bounced, or something ...

plaza# _ubin/netmap -k | grep archie | sed 's/^.................//'
			  9=archie.2=oz.0=au ==> plaza.aarnet.oz.au


The "sed" nonsense is just to make the output fit in 80 columns, all that
was deleted was spaces.   Plaza (archie) knows only one alias that
contains "archie" and that's for "archie.oz.au", not "archie.au".

If some MHSnet has an archie.au alias, they should delete it.

I don't have enough mhsnet knowledge to actually work out what
plaza/archie do with an MHSnet message sent to archie.au - if Piers
is right, I guess it would be routed to basser, and if basser believes
that archie.au is an alias for plaza, I guess it would route it right
back, which would seem to create a nice routing loop.

kre
Newsgroups: aus.acsnet
From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Routing loop at goanna?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:44:23 GMT

In <1992Jul26.233547.7018@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au> michi@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au
(Michael Henning) writes:

| Failing that, could you post a list of the valid subdomains in ".au" please?

Just in case anyone really needs to care, they are ...

OZ EDU COM CSIRO GOV ORG GW TELEMEMO OTC and "archie".

Of those, you can forget "GW" ... sending mail, or anything else you
might want to send via MHSnet/SunIII, to a cisco (or similar) isn't too
likely to benefit anyone...

There might be one or more new ones soon.

kre
Newsgroups: aus.acsnet
From: piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder)
Subject: How aliases work in MHSnet
Reply-To: piers@cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:31:30 GMT

kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:
 > I don't have enough mhsnet knowledge to actually work out what
 > plaza/archie do with an MHSnet message sent to archie.au - if Piers
 > is right, I guess it would be routed to basser, and if basser believes
 > that archie.au is an alias for plaza, I guess it would route it right
 > back, which would seem to create a nice routing loop.

MHSnet aliases work by mapping an address at the mapping site, so a
message arriving at basser with the address "archie.au" has the address
turned into "plaza.aarnet.oz.au" *at* basser.  After that, routing for
the address "plaza.aarnet.oz.au" proceeds as normal.  This is how
"exported aliases" work as well of course, so when "plaza.aarnet.oz.au"
exports the alias "archie.oz.au", then messages originally intended for
that address will most often arrive with the real address already mapped
in.  Of course, "plaza.aarnet.oz.au" also understands its own exported
alias, and delivers the address "archie.oz.au" locally.  It could just as
easily export the alias "archie.au" as well as "archie.oz.au" to be
compatible to the internet address.

I suspect the reason it doesn't was an attempt by the administrator to
be kind to SUN III sites, but that's no reason to deny the internet
address to others unless they also thought that a site could have only
*one* "xlaias" (MHSnet sites can of course export as many aliases as
they like).

Since this alias matches the internet address and delivers requests
correctly -- I suggest everyone who has it keeps it, so that users son't
have to know the difference between "archie.oz.au" and "archie.au".  
--

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Phone: +61 2 692 3423				  Fax: +61 2 692 3838
Newsgroups: aus.acsnet
From: piers@basser.cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder)
Subject: Re: Routing loop at goanna
Reply-To: piers@cs.su.oz.au (Piers Lauder)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:45:32 GMT

michi@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Michael Henning) writes:
 > 
 > >1.3 sites need only have:
 > >	forward	*.			N=basser.D=cs.O=su.P=oz.C=au
 > 
 > Well, that is what I had in my commandsfile all along, except that I was
 > forwarding to bunyip. My sendmail.cf passes "user@archie.au" to the
 > MHSnet mailer with user part "user" and destination part "archie.au".
 > 
 > Given the above entry in the commandsfile, the message should have been
 > delivered correctly, but instead we saw the infamous routing loop.
 > 
 > Question: How can I determine which version of MHSnet I am running?

Run the command "netstate -o|tail -1".

An easier way for 1.3 sites is to use "netparams -n"

 > The man pages all have a "(1.2)" at the top, so that leads me to conclude
 > that we are running 1.2, which would also explain why the routing loop
 > *did* occur.

Yes, the manual pages are a very good indication :-)

 > On the other hand, netstate quite happily accepts commands of the form
 > "forward *. [region]", which leads me to conclude that we must be running
 > 1.3, otherwise I would get an error. Which is correct?

After searching deperately for a 1.2 site near me, I discover, to my chagrin,
that 1.2 *does* accept this form -- and then ignores it. It's a bug, please
accept my apologies.

As a general rule (which would have caught this kind of bug), please use
the command "netaddr -rv <address>" to test that mods to "commandsfile" are
having their intended effect.
--

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Phone: +61 2 692 3423				  Fax: +61 2 692 3838