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From: wallsj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey joel walls)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:55:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Nov13.145920.16839@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This really pisses me off!  Right now in Colorado (and you obviously don't
live here, so what do you care?) the governor is trying to find a way to
have the amendment declared unconstitutional.  At CSU (which you obviously
don't attend, so I suppose you're free to assume anything you want), the
leaders of the school are coming up with ways to work around the amendment
so in case it DOES remain an amendment, gays/lesbians will still not be
able to be discriminated against.  I personally voted NO on Amendment 2, and
I am not gay, I simply feel that discrimination is wrong (and I'm from
Mississippi if that matters to you, which I doubt it will), and that is
why I am so pissed off about this big "Boycott Colorado" campaign.  First
of all, what do they tell you in school when you are a child:  Don't 
succumb to peer pressure.  What in the hell do you think a Boycott is???
I have seen many boycotts work in Mississippi, they worked so well in
fact that the NAACP shut down MANY family owned/operated grocery stores,
restaurants, convenience shops (by the way, actual PEOPLE with actual FAMILIES 
TO SUPPORT and actual CHILDREN TO FEED worked at these stores...well, until 
they were closed down).  Then, NATURALLY, since there aren't a whole LOT of jobs
just lying around, they joined the millions of Americans in the welfare lines.
Is this what you want to happen?  

     I totally agree with the fact that Amendment TWO is a complete injustice, 
and IMO is COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, however, there ARE better ways to go 
about repealing this amendment than to hurt innocent people in Colorado who 
depend upon tourism to survive...  FEED THEIR CHILDREN...  BUY CLOTHES FOR 
THEIR CHILDREN...  

     An obvious answer is to lobby for a NATIONAL amendment.  But whatever 
you decide, I hope that you don't forget who you're putting out of work 
by your "innocent" BOYCOTT.  You say that HATE IS NOT A FAMILY VALUE, well 
neither is putting someone out of work for something that they had no control 
over (and that's assuming that they voted NO on 2)...selfishness is also not 
a family value!

     The content of this post is my own opinion...I do NOT speak for
     anyone other than myself, so if you flame me, flame ME, do not
     flame COLORADO...

     Jeff Walls

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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:47:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46285
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Nov21.233019.16211@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <74515@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes, in a completely different context:
>>As a coworker says when referring to people being responsible for their
>>own actions, "he's over 21."
>
>Oh goody, does that mean that people who are under 21 aren't
>responsible for their actions?

That's right, Nelson.

But we do expect you to be responsible in your actions.  Remember: if you
are going to be irresponsible, be irresponsibly safe.

Silly, but after this last weekend, this approaches serious.

ObMotssNoteForPnw-ers

Go and see the Desert Peach at the Freemont Theater in Seattle NOW!

It is very good.

--mark
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Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

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From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: Rap (Yes, you're still in soc.motss)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:32:27 GMT

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) sez:
>Most Gay men don't like legitimate rap.

Probably true (although this could have something to do with the "he winked at
me so I beat him up" Audio Two style bullshit that keeps floating around the
harder rap genres). Hardcore rap does tend to be insular; the casually
interested white gay man (or lesbian) is probably not going to get a lot of
exposure to it, so s/he's not likely to know of anyone besides, say, Public
Enemy or NWA.

>I don't think any White man can be a legitimate rapper.

Phooey. If anything, I think that the genre tends to ostracize any rapper who
isn't black (and, to a lesser extent, male) -- look at all the trouble 3rd
Bass, or Kid Frost, or any of a few hundred female rappers have had getting
any acceptance from the larger community. (Are there any professed gay
rappers? I don't know of any.)

>It sickens me to see White people like Marky Mark and Vanilla
>Ice "White-satize"* rap music just to make it more palatable for
>the White masses.  But, rappers like Hammer and Young MC have
>just helped them along.

But the white masses are hardly the only people buying Hammer records.




_____________________________________________________________________________
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From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Military info needed
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:48:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.170045.899@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:

>>Well, let's hope that Clinton has enough integrity to keep his campaign
>>pledge. Already there are rumblings that Admiral Crowe, the Chief of
>>Staff under Bush who defected to the Clinton camp, is attempting to
>>persuade Clinton against issuing the executive order.

>>I can see the rationalization going something like: "Well, I really
>>would like to, but our military has convinced me that we need to study
>>the question for a while to determine the effect on the armed services
>>as a whole."

>I don't know how much more explicit Clinton has to be to
>convince people that he's really going to overturn the ban.
>At his news conference yesterday (Thursday 11/13), he said:

>	Let me tell you what I'm going to do.  My concern here is
>    to do it in a way that is most appropriate for the
>    management of the whole national security and military
>    interests of the country.  I want to consult with a lot
>    of people about what our options are, including people
>    who may disagree with me about the ultimate merits.  And
>    let me remind you one more time about how this all came up.

In Today's paper:

	Congressional leaders urged President-elect Clinton to go
	slow on overturning the military's ban... arguing that sudden
	action would create a furor in Congress and endanger lives 
	in the armed forces.

	from Bob Dole "He ought to put it on the back burner--there are
	other things you can do that wouldn't blow the lid off the Capitol.
	I think this one might come close.

	and Sen Nunn "I think we ought to proceed very cautiously."


>	  Has anybody fone anything which
>    would disqualify them, whether it's Tailhook scandal or
>    something else?  And so what I plan to do in an
>    appropriate fashion, in a prompt fashion, is to put
>    together a group of people and let them advise me about
>    how we might best do this.  But I'm not going to change
>    my position on it.

Charlie
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Strand of Bigotry
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:27:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Clayton Cramer (cramer@optilink.UUCP), sigh, writes:

># THERE IS NO RIGHT TO PRACTICE BIGOTRY. 
>
>So why is there a right to practice sodomy?

Bigotry is a non-consensual activity, one person imposing their beliefs on
another without permission.

Sodomy (be it just anal sex, or oral as well) is a consensual act.  If it is
non-consensual, then it is rape.

Inalienable rights include "the pursuit of happiness," with unwritten addition
of "without unduly affecting the happiness pursuits of others."  I think there
is little question that public bigotry affects the happiness pursuits of
others.  Private sodomy, however, can *not* affect the happiness pursuits of
others, for the simple fact that it is *private.*  If its existence affects
your pursuit of happiness, then either the particular event of sodomy is not
private (in which case it should be as legal/illegal as "straight" sex), or
the effect it is having on your pursuit of happiness is mental in nature, and
of your own doing, in which case is *your* fault you are unable to fully
pursue happiness, and the law cannot do anything about *that*.

The phrase that pays is "An it harm none."  Live by it.

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Surly French waiters
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:04:46 GMT

In article <mattm-231192102803@mcmelmon.apple.com>
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>(who doubts any nationality could claim ownership of stupidity)

Oh, you've done your part for the USA, it seems.

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[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:38:24 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Nov23.033713.25949@Princeton.EDU> spencer@bow.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:

>"You can put your shoes in the oven, but that don't make them biscuits."

>Someone put that in a senior thesis last year, I have no idea if it's
>original or not.

I've heard the phrase all my life, having lived in 6 states of 
the "Deep South".  It's akin to all of those "Mommilies" that nearly
everyone in the D.S. heard growing up.

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From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Military ban etc.
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:03:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BxsAxL.Bwn
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

I keep seeing articles by phobes trying to get Clinton to not lift the
military ban, as well as claims that the congress would not go along.
If infact the congress refuses to go along that means that a number of
democrats will have to go along with the phobes. 

Rather than just voting for no one in the next election maybe it is
time to start running queer candidates where there is no viable democratic
or republican option. If the queer candidate gets 10% of the vote (enough
to change the result of virtually any race) congress critters will have
to start taking us more seriously.

If Clinton himself goes back on it I will change my registration to republican
so I can vote for Weld in the republican primaries. He is more pro gay rights
than most democrats.


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 03:39:29 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.221923.20307@netcom.com>
stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.224637.7072@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <17933@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
>>Rowley) writes:

>>>I've watched you fill this newsgroup with the official 
>>>Anderson line for a few years now, and have also watched you
>>>heap your special brand of creamed scorn on those who dare to think
>>>aloud outside of your accpted gnorm.

>>You mean I'm about to become an official Yahweh cult now?

>Are you going to be holding auditions for official Temple
>male prostitutes?

Since you're already (I assume) in *a* cast, I can simply
switch you to *the* cast.  I mean, you *were* volunteering,
weren't you?  We can hold tryouts at camp this summer, maybe.

What did happen that you broke your ankle, btw?  (But don't
tell Owen, he'll be furiously jealous if he finds out I'm
attending upon your every word.)

<> In the long-run, every Government is the exact symbol of
<> its People, with their wisdom and unwisdom.
<> -- Thomas Carlyle
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[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:34:41 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <BOB.92Nov18202656@dolores.Stanford.EDU>, bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.050246.12001@funlwb.enet.dec.com>
> sunderl@obvius.stl.dec.com (Mike Sunderland) writes: 
#    Seriously though, what is it that pisses you off about the
#    "religious right" so much? I mean what makes the religious right
#    the bad guys?
# 
# They want to legislate their morality for everyone in the US.  Their
# moral code has no place in it for freedom of speech, thought,
# religion, or expression; no place for gays, lesbians, and bisexuals;
# no place for rational scientific enquiry; and no place for women who'd
# prefer not to be barefoot, pregnant and immured in the kitchen. 

As distinguished from the homosexual attempts to impose their
morality on everyone in the US.  Their moral code has no place
in it for someone who chooses not to rent to, hire, or associate
with homosexuals.

"Barefoot, pregnant and immured in the kitchen"?  Who are you
kidding?  I've yet to meet a fundamentalist with that view --
anywhere.

# - Bob


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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Size of LGB Vote
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:49:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.004943.6702
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov16.231029.9314@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>>You can, if you work at it, determine within about three percent
>>>how many closeted gay men buy "green" toilet paper or any other
>>>cockamamie statistic you want.
>>I might buy this for uncloseted, but *closeted*?
>The example was far-fetched to underscore "any."  The added
>difficulties appear in devising the instrument, I think.

So Jess, exactly how are you going to write a questionnaire that will,
in a standard random poll, accurately predict whether the people being
polled are closeted gays or not?

I'm not even sure such a questionnaire could exist at all. I am
confident that no person alive could write one.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Voice of Integrity, Fall 1992
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:46:37 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I apologize to those outside my ghetto whom this might offend:

I now have online the Fall issue of Voice of Integrity, the quarterly journal
of lesbigay Episcopalians.  This one includes most of the texts of addresses
at our national convention in Houston in July, including the address of the
Presiding Bishop.   I will gladly send this to anyone who replies to this
message with the same subject and a one-word message:  YES.

Beware, the file is 194115 bytes long.

Quean Lutibelle/Louie

(This offer will expire on the Feast of the Circumcision)

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From: harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: NNLGO Conference (gratuitous name dropping)
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:33:07 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <v-41qvb@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth14.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>>The National Network of Lesbian and Gay officials passed a resolution
....

>Does anyone have a contact address/number for this National Network of Lesbian
>and Gay Officials?

No, though I'll try to get it....

The conference of the NNLGO was FABULOUS.  I went to several sessions,
and attended a party where, besides me and a couple of other students,
everyone there were gay and lesbian officials, elected and
appointed...

Jess, are you in Tammy Baldwin's district?  She is WONDERFUL!!!  And
gorgeous, too...if I ever wanted to swing that way, she'd be exactly
the kind of woman I would want...

Cal Anderson from Washington state is great, too.  John Heilman (mayor
of West Hollywood) came across as a bit morose, but one of my friends
took him to a dance club and said he was nice when you got to know
him.

Anyone in Dale McCormick's district in Maine?  Lucky, lucky, lucky!
She was certainly one of the most articulate people I've talked to in
a long time.

Would someone in Chicago help me out with the name of a lesbian
official (I believe appointed to a Civil Rights panel, but don't hold
me to it) who has an Italian last name?  We talked for nearly an hour
Friday night, but I have totally forgotten her name, and I feel bad
about that.  Ooops, there was another woman from Chicago with an
Italian last name...hmm.  She had spikey grey hair.  I'd guess in her
mid to late forties.

Barney Frank seemed to think that I wouldn't in my lifetime be able to
file a joint 1040 with a same-sex lover.  sigh.  He also thought that
the queer community needed to start pressing for Clinton to drop the
ban, and not simply assume that he will.

Trey Harris (doing some serious name dropping here ;-)
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:36:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.053627.25536
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1e9nj1INN4ep@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
[Patrick Stewart]
>I was at a cocktail party he attended once (name- drop, name-drop,
>name-drop) and his RAOUNDED TAONES are even worse in person.

WHAT?! How dare you insult Patrick Stewart you.. you.. velveeta eater.
He's more of an icon than Marlene Dietrich and Errol Flynn, put together!

I think I would swoon dead away, were I at a cocktail party with
Patrick Stewart. How do you do it?
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From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu

Furr:
> 
> BZZZZZT!  Wrong.  As someone else pointed out, the problem in the
> gay media goes beyond Bears; there's a serious lack of people of
> ethnic backgrounds other than white, except of course in media
> that specifically focusses on that factor. [The only video
> company I know of that routinely has mixed-race casts for its
> porno videos is Altomar.]  So -- what can you do?  

Ummm, bitch to the net everytime someone finds a non-hairy person
attractive?

Bill, who really has better things to do than bitch to the net about
the lack of representation of queer Asian punks in mainstream gay
media, pornography, cable TV, and Muni advertising billboards
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From: jerryg@jaiser.uucp (Jerry Gaiser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:34:41 GMT
Organization: Jerry's Attic - Gaston, OR

vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:

> In article <1992Nov19.192525.1041@dunix.drake.edu> ac94691@dunix.drake.edu (T
> 
> >A friend of mind who posts here occasionally has gone so far as to
> >pick boyfriends on the basis of whether or not they like cats.  It's
> >actually quite reasonable.  A love for a particular type of animal
> >does reveal basic personality traits.
> 
> "Occasionally has gone so far"?  Hell, that's my number one criterion!
> I see no reason to even bother having coffee with a man who doesn't
> like cats (or who is allergic to them).  I'd far rather exist without
> a relationship than get involved with someone who would even dare to
> suggest that I get rid of my two beautiful, furry daughters ... :-)
> 

I think that probably goes for most of us. I can't imagine getting 
involved with anybody that doesn't like my family. Right now that 
includes two cats, a dog and a horse. Love me, love my family.


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