From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: How prophets got their information from God.?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:27:33 GMT


Hi !

   I would like to have comments about the point that how God gave His
 information to the prophets in Old Testament in the Holy Bible. ?

   I put my "Structure of Time" message and related messages here.
 In colour photographs hanna_maria1.gif (01/03)-(03/03) and
 hanna_maria2.gif (01/04)-(04/04) some of Hanna-Maria's drawings are
 also seen (these .gif are for example in alt.binaries.pictures.misc, and
 also in sci.physics, sci.astro).

     Hannu.  (24.09.1992)


X-News: tnclus sci.astro:10895
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Structure of Time (FINAL SUMMARY)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:02:51 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Jul27.130251.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


 Hello !

   I would like to put this summary paper also here talk.religion.misc
 and sci.physics, sci.astro, sci.philosophy.tech due to some E-Mail requests.


 Oulu  -  Finland  27.7.1992  Hannu K. J. Poropudas


 Below this paper:

 Physical Review newspaper
 (prtex@aps.org)



   I would like to sent a little corrected paper instead of my previous paper.
 I kindly ask you to publish this in order that it can be used as a scientific
 reference. I know that it contains materials hard to believe at first, but
 when time passes it will show its superiority in future, when our
 understanding grows about structure of space and time.


 Oulu  -  Finland  24.7.1992  Hannu K. J. Poropudas




 STRUCTURE OF TIME
 -----------------



 ABSTRACT

 Detailed structure of Big Bang is presented here. This is also structure
 of time. The concept of time should be redefined in our standard physics
 according to these new pictures for needs of astronomic- and geologic-
 time-scales.


   This paper has been published first in newsgroups sci.physics, sci.astro
 and sci.philosophy.tech in international E-Mail-network:

  <1992Jul20.225813.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>
  <1992Jul27.091741.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>

 and also in talk.religion.misc newsgroup.

  <1992Jul24.165232.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>
  <1992Jul27.091741.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>

   I try to draw here three pictures about structure of Big Bang drawn by
 Hanna-Maria.

 (I cannot draw here good circles so I draw them as lines, please
  insert colour photographs of Hanna-Maria's original pictures also here):


                 radiation periphery
   -----------------------------------------------
                                                   <-- (draw empty area here)

     0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0         (neutrinos, largest)
                                                   <-- (draw empty area here)
                 radiation periphery
     -------------------------------------------
                                                   <-- (draw empty area here)

       O  O  O  O  O  O  O  O  O  O  O  O  O           (neutrinos, middle size)
                                                   <-- (draw empty area here)
                 radiation periphery
       ---------------------------------------

                                                   <-- (draw radial lines here)
                 radiation periphery
         -----------------------------------
                                                  <-- (draw empty area here)

            o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o             (neutrinos, smallest)
                                                  <-- (draw empty area here)
                 radiation periphery
           -------------------------------
                                                  <-- (draw radial lines here)

                 radiation periphery
             ---------------------------
                                                  <-- (draw like star's
                                                       corona here, this is
                                                       "electric periphery")

                 radiation periphery                  (hard core)
               -----------------------
  "diamond" -->                                   <-- (draw radial lines here)
  (hard core)
                        .
                      central point


 There exist several hundred thousands radiation peripheries around of
 "time's starting point" inside of "bright fire ball" that exploded as
 our primordial Universe.

 One radiation periphery represents Universe at certain point in "time"
 (my word "time" is descriptive here, because this picture is definition).

 Anti-World side explodes toward central point (=time's starting point in
 Big Bang) in picture. Structure of near region of "diamond" is in Figure 3.



                    Figure 1  Hanna-Maria's first Big Bang picture
                              (time's definition)


 Fine structure of boundary of hard core called "diamond" (and this is also
 fine structure of one radiation periphery) is as follows:
 (Please insert colour photographs of Hanna-Maria's original pictures
  also here):


                       o
   World side       o     o    neutrinos  (positive mass)
                       o

                    o  o  o

                    XXXXXXX   "mirror"

                    +  +  +

                       +
   Anti-World       +     +    neutrinos  (negative mass)
   side                +


  (always three neutrinos (neutrinos related to electron) grouped together)

   Upper and lower sides of "mirror" are in different places in "time"
   (my word "time" is descriptive here, because this picture is definition).
   Detailed structure of "mirror" is not explained here (I would only like
   to say that it offers unlimited energy source (although it could be very
   dangerous to use) available everywhere in space for future space-crafts
   (for very long space journeys). Its structure is due to expansion of World
   and contraction of Anti-World.)



                    Figure 2  Hanna-Maria's second Big Bang picture
                              ("space-potato").
                              Boundary of World and Anti-World and structure
                              of radiation periphery
                              (time's definition)


   Hanna-Maria said about two years ago that it is possible for neutrino to
 move in time, if you are able to knock neutrino's spin axis to opposite
 direction. She said also 5.5.1992 that if some object could knock all spin
 axis of neutrinos in one side of radiation periphery then it could move in
 time, such a way, that this object would appear in the other side of radiation
 periphery. Hanna-Maria said also that this object must have samekind of cover
 on its surface like "mirror" is (She said that it could be dangerous to try
 to go through radiation periphery, because object could burn and there could
 possible be no food to eat, and object could also remain in "wrong time".
 She said also that if object moves a little from its original place in this
 case then it could get to "Anti-World").

   According to Hanna-Maria's pictures Anti-World is in different place
 in time. This also is why hard core called "diamond" escaped destruction at
 the beginning of our primordial Universe (in Big Bang).

   I draw here detailed structure of near region of "diamond"
 (I cannot draw here good circles so I draw them as lines, please
  insert colour photographs of Hanna-Maria's original pictures also here):


           radiation periphery
   ----------------------------------------
                                               <--(draw radial lines here)
                                                   (these are neutrino cages
                                                    neutrinos cannot escape)
                                                    (colour= green area)
           radiation periphery
     -----------------------------------
                                               <--(draw empty area here)
                                                  (colour= red area)
                   o o
         o o o o o o o o o o o o o o           <-- "dancing" neutrinos
                                                 (there are too many of them)
                                                 (25 + 2 neutrinos in original
                                                                      picture)
                                               <--(draw empty area here)
                                                  (colour= red area)
           radiation periphery
         -------------------------
                                               <--(draw radial lines here)
                                                  (colour= green area)
           radiation periphery
           --------------------
                                               <--(draw like star's corona here)
                                                  (corona starts from pentagon)
                                                  (colour=orange area)
                                               <--(draw pentagon here)
                                                   ------------------
                                                  (="diamond" (yellow),
                                                    one radiation periphery)
                                               <--(draw radial lines inside of
                                                   pentagon)
                    .
                central point (=time's starting point)

                    Figure 3. Hanna-Maria's third picture (map) about
                              structure of near region of "diamond"
                              (time's definition, and map)

 Neutrinos can move freely in areas where there is neutrino periphery between
 two radiation peripheries.

 Radial lines represents "neutrino cages" where neutrinos cannot ever escape.

 Only some of the following numbers: 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 neutrinos grouping
 together, are so-called "souls".

 Neutrinos are destroyed in so-called "electric periphery" (= annihilation
 areas, like star's corona formations, or somekind of "pen"), which is around
 the "diamond". This "diamond" is also called "seed" (it is eternal).

 There exist also so called "fastener places" exact places of which is only
 known by the "Creator" ("God" or "Lord" or "Existence Himself" or
 "Heaven's Father" as said in Holy Bible (ref.2) or so-called "Soul of whole
 Universe").

 (Hanna-Maria said that "diamond" exists in every point in ordinary
 3-dimensional space (three ordinary length dimensions). I understand this
 that primordial Big Bang has happened in every point of this 3-dimensional
 space.)


  Hanna-Maria's definition of mass:
  ---------------------------------

   Electron and positron have both positive masses in World and their masses
 is only due to the expansion resistance of World (expansion away from time's
 starting point in Big Bang).
   There exist also electron and positron in Anti-World, their masses is only
 due to contraction resistance of Anti-World (contraction towards time's
 starting point in Big Bang).
   Electron and positron have both negative masses in Anti-World and they have
 have also bigger absolute values of masses there than in World.


 Other Hanna-Maria's words:
 --------------------------

 Energy loss in red-shift in cosmic background radiation goes to the
 Anti-World.

 Two missing neutrinos (both two have negative mass) of four Dirac's neutrinos
 are in Anti-World.

 There exist correspondingly "cosmic blue-shift" in Anti-World.

 There exist also six quarks in Anti-World like in World, but absolute
 values of their masses are larger in Anti-World.

 "Force" holds together the "diamond" ( so-called "seed"). If neutrions go
 inside the "diamond" they fall in "prison" for ever.

 This "Seed" has existed always (It is eternal).

 When I asked does there exist negative time, Hanna-Maria answered
 that negative mass exists.

 Time difference (in our time units) between two radiation peripheries is
 100000 - 300000 years. Space difference between two radiation peripheries
 (in our length units) is few kilometer.

 I don't know what time difference one "space-potato" (in our time units)
 corresponds, but space difference (height) of one "space-potato" (in our
 length units) is 20 - 30 centimeters. (World side of this object should be
 observable by aid of scattering experiments. "Space-potato" does not lie
 on the edge of Universe.)

 Expansion of our World will stop in future in its evolution cource.
 This is a point where all mass disappear. Radiation peripheries also
 disappear and all "times" exist a while together.
 Our World begins then next to contract towards time's starting point and
 Anti-World begins then next to expand from time's starting point outwards.


 Why is abs(mass) in the anti-world greater than that in our own for base
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
 particles:
 ---------

  I put her words accurately here (in parenthesis):

 "Hanna-Maria threw a ball that Hanna-Maria had made from many small stones
  (=diamonds) to the center of the space. Abs(mass) is heavier in anti-world
  than in world is due to this very heavy ball."

 "Hanna-Maria sent flash of lightning other side of this ball (earth-ball
  like ball, composed of small stones (=diamonds)) and small ball striked
  to it."

 "Ball's (I don't know which one of these two) periphery is 50 km if
  Hanna-Maria (as an observer) travels around it. 10 km if Hanna-Maria travels
  around it at the speed of walking, and 2 km if Hanna-Maria must go around it
  at the speed of a car." (This is a point that I don't understand at all).

  She said that this heavy ball is situated at time's starting point
  which lies also at center of the space. It is invisible like a "black hole".

  Ball's structure is in usual 3-dimensional space (three length dimensions).
                       10       50
  It's mass is (100000)  kg = 10  kg.

  Ball's mass increases contraction resistance of anti-world toward time's
  starting point (in Big Bang). Mass in anti-world is only due to the
  contraction resistance of anti-world toward time's starting point.
  (This contraction speed is uniform).


 Some new matters (randomly collected):
 -------------------------------------

 The real "diamond" at time's starting point (in Big Bang) is like 8/8-diamond.

 Biggest neutrino is green in Hanna-Maria's picture and it has a part (about
 half) of its periphery violet. Middle size neutrino is violet and it has
 several orange lines drawn crosswise inside of it. Smallest neutrino is green
 and it is related to electron.

 Object must go through anti-world as fast as flash of lightning in order
 not to be distroyed.

 The "ball" is her "wish ball" and it is so heavy that if it would came
 over the earth (in otherwords near the earth) then all would die due to its
 very strong gravity field. It has also very strong magnetic field.

 There exist also the "road of worlds", which is marked on the "map".

 "Mirror" in "Space potato" structure offers unlimited energy source available
 everywhere in space for future space-crafts (for very long space journeys).
 "Mirror's" structure is due to expansion of World and contraction of
 Anti-World. This energy source could be very dangerous to use. Around wires
 (that reach through "mirror" to the anti-world) there must be some kind of
 flame (neutrino (negative mass) radiating field) to protect them. She told
 possible current about 100000 Ampere and this should be possible about
 400000 km distance from Earth (I don't know why). Energy can be collected to
 iron tank.

 Weightless is possible for objects having mass. This object must have some
 kind cover like "mirror" is. Weightless is achieved when object oscillates
 continuously between world and anti-world. Object is then totally isolated
 from gravity interaction.

 Hanna-Maria said that when her flash of lightning strucked to the anti-world,
 that is why there has become a force that humans (neutrino souls) are being
 caught there. Neutrino cages are areas which absorbs neutrinos. There exists
 neutrino cages of different sizes. One size are those bubble like formations
 of walls of galaxies (in distribution of galaxies) in Universe. Some of
 neutrino cages are room size (I don't know why these exists). Human being
 is also a neutrino cage for human being's "neutrino soul", but not like the
 first mentioned neutrino cage.


 New matters about Structure of Time (From Hanna-Maria's answers)
 ----------------------------------------------------------------


 Three existing neutrinos have two colours: green and violet. These colours
 are the two types of electricity in anti-world. There exist voltage in
 neutrinos that originates from anti-world.

 Neutrinos have also so called "magic" and so called "wonderfulness".
 "Magic" is related to 1,2,3,4,5 or 10 new dimensions.

 In these new dimensions Hanna-maria sees (as an observer) neutrino's size to
 be like Earth's diameter or 1 - 6 Hanna-Maria's own lengths (about one meter,
 I don't understand this point at all).

 God can "conjure" by aid of neutrinos human (human's "neutrino soul") to be
 "naughty", "good-natured", "famous", "such who gets much money", "robber",
 "such who gets jobs from every places", and so on ... .

 The "space-potato" is "living" in a way that it can go to every place and
 God can "conjure" by aid of it all kind of things that He wants (He can
 "conjure" those "neutrino souls" to "princess", "prince", same kind of
 things than He can do by aid of neutrinos).

 When anti-world achieves its full collapse, then all humans die ("neutrino
 souls") except Hanna-Maria.

 Time is reversed in anti-world when one compares time's direction in world,
 and that is why expansion resistance gives negative value to the mass.
 Mass is only due to the cotraction resistance of anti-world toward time's
 starting point (in Big Bang).

 Positron in anti-world is electron in anti-world which goes to the direction
 of positive time (in other words to the direction of world's time),
 (in anti-world there is negative time).

 Hanna-Maria said that trees are bigger in anti-world than in ours. She said
 also that God is about 5 - 7 meter high, bright and very heavy giant.

 Anti-world and world have the same time's starting point and center point.
                                                            6
 Mass ratio of anti-world and world is 6:5. There is 6000*10  units (unknown
                                                                         6
 units to me) negative mass (so called "magic mass") and there is 5000*10
 units (unknown units to me) ordinary mass in world. These both masses are
 constant. (I'am not sure if here the exponent should be 50 instead 6, and
 then units could be kilograms).

 Contraction resistance in anti-world depends how far you are from time's
 starting point. Expansion resistance in world does not depend how far you are
 from time's starting point.

 From the full collapse of the anti-world we are now
                               12
 20*50*100000*100000 units = 10   units (unknown units to me).
 (I'am not sure should units be here seconds).

 World side of "space-potato" is observable by aid of high energy
 scattering experiments to some arbitary "empty point" in space (antineutrinos
 related to electron, u-lepton or tau-lepton). "Space-potato" does not
 lie on the edge of the Universe.

 There exist magnetic monopoles.

 True singularity cannot form from our (extra-horizontal) reference frame
 (I'am not sure did I translate this (extra-horizontal) right to her).

 God's force was the reason which put world and anti-world on the move
 in Big Bang.



 Some explanations
 -----------------


   I would like to say that I believe that our God has spoken these things
 through my 5 years old (28.4.1992) daughter Hanna-Maria, otherwise she must
 be the greatest human genius ever born.

   First story in reference pictures about "gigantic being" means at least
 two things: First it says that intelligent life is possible in Universe,
 and secondly this "big bang" happened in every point in 3-dimensional space
 (ordinary three length dimensions).

   The story in reference pictures about "diamond", "princess", "king",
 "robber" and little "brownie" means the story about history of this
 publication ("Structure of Time"), ("diamond" is the "prize of highest
 honour" in this story). I think that fire inside of mountain means that
 real "diamond" gets energy.

                         -----

   I have added two missing words to one sentence in my "Structure of
 Time". I have also added one matter about the heavy "ball", which is
 center of the space and a matter which I did not first understand (that is
 why I did not put it in my preliminary paper, I think that this is an
 important initial conditition at the beginning of our primordial Universe).
   I refer here to my paper <1992Jul24.165232.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> in
 talk.religion.misc newsgroup where one little correction (one size 15 - 20
 meters -> 5 - 7 meters, it was given about as a hight of one tree, which I
 first estimated to be too tall) was made in compared to my paper
 <1992Jul20.225813.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> which was in sci.physics,
 sci.astro and sci.philosophy.tech.

   I thank all readers for their interest about the subject. I hope that
 I have arosen interest for the discussions about Big Bang and about
 complicated structure of time. I apologize my clumsy writing style, it is
 due to that I'am only an amateur physicist and astronomer. I think that
 our space and our Universe is really worth to investigate further.



 Oulu  -  Finland  27.7.1992  Hannu K. J. Poropudas


          "There is a bottle of poison, if you look at it closely,
           you notice that a little is taken from it."

          "I promised never lie to God."

          "She said that she knows everything about the space."


 My address: Hannu Poropudas
             Vesaisentie 9E,
             90900 Kiiminki,
             Suomi - Finland.


 REFERENCES:

 1. All pictures drawn by my own daughter Hanna-Maria:

    (These original pictures are essential, because I cannot describe them
     accurately enough by words. I have these pictures if you need to
     photograph them.)

  - two pictures 28.4.1992.
   (both two pictures are on one side of A4-paper.
    *First is structure picture of Big Bang, where two stories are included:
      One story is about "gigantic being" who wonders that space exploded and
      blod is flowing from being's mouth when space exploded on it.
      One story is about little crying girl "princess" who fetch "diamond",
      which lies on the top of mountain (fire is inside of mountain) on a
      holder) to her father "king", because her father asked that, and a
      "robber" who tries also get same "diamond" and "robber" says "I get all
      my honour" and "robber" gets the "diamond", but a little "brownie" gives
      at last the "diamond" to the crying girl "princess".
    *Second is picture about fine structure of one radiation
     periphery so-called "space-potato":
     This is formed from 7 neutrinos (positive mass) and 7 neutrinos (negative
     mass) related to electron, and "mirror" , which is between these ordinary
     neutrinos (positive mass) and neutrinos (negative mass). There is always
     three neutrinos grouped together.
  - one picture 3.5.1992.
    This picture of "space-potato" is backside of paper,
  - one picture without date (I have not marked date).
    This is about structure of "space-potato" and some my remarks about
    discussions with Hanna-Maria.
  - one picture 11.5.1992.
    About one above mentioned story and about structure of Big Bang.
  - one picture 19.5.1992.
    Four pictures all together (I prefer these pictures and "map" best of all):
     *One picture is "map" about structure of Big Bang near the "diamond".
      And "road of worlds" between World and Anti-World is also shown in
      this map (colours are also right in pictures).
     *One about structure of "space-potato" (fine structure detail of radiation
      periphery).
     *One about three neutrinos of different sizes and two different colours
      (largest is green, next is violet and smallest (related to electron) is
       green).
     *One picture backside of the paper about the place where "diamond" is
      placed. This "diamond" is formed from one radiation periphery.

 2. Pyh{ Raamattu, (The Holy Bible), 1981.
     -Vanha Testamentti (The Old Testament).
     (Obvious definition of God,given by Himself,Second book of Moses 3:14-15).
     -Uusi Testamentti (The New Testament).
     (Obvious definition of Christ (=God, and He does always what His Father
      teaches Him, given by Himself, Gospel of Johannes 8:28-29).
      ISBN 951-600-007-X.
      Pieks{m{ki, Suomen kirkon Sis{l{hetysseuran Raamattutalo.
      Toinen Mooseksen kirja, 3 Luku, Jakeet 14 ja 15, ja huomautus
      sivun alareunassa, Sivu 64.


X-News: tnclus sci.physics:14934
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Re: Structure of Time (LAST COMMENT)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:10:10 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Jul31.091010.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


 Hi !  (For the last time)


   ...some lines deleted...


   I would only like to say about Hanna-Maria that I'am a religious man,
 I believe that God exists, because He is Existence Himself, and if someone
 is arguing that Existence Himself does not exist, then he/she argues at the
 same time that he/she himself/herself does not exist. I also believe that
 almost everything is possible for our God. This is a matter that we don't
 understand at the moment, because we are still so undeveloped compared
 to Him. These are the main reasons why I don't need to explain to myself
 this Hanna-Maria's part in my paper "Structure of Time". I simply believe it.


 Oulu  -  Finland  31.7.1992   Hannu K. J. Poropudas

    "Don't you like your body as a 'neutrino cage' for your 'neutrino soul'. ?
     If you don't, then simply ask God to release you."


X-News: tnclus sci.physics:15302
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Structure of Time (EXPERIMENTAL POSSIBILITIES)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 08:50:48 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Aug10.105048.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


 Hi !


   Some experimental possibilities of "Structure of Time":

   (I put this here because there have been so many unbusinesslike comments
    about my article)


 1.  Could there be a sign of existence of "space-potato" in a Fermilab's
   experiment described below by David Brahm's article
   <1992May20.001911.3915@cco.caltech.edu>, (Particle called "space-potato" was
   described in my article "Structure of Time"
   <1992Jul27.130251.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>). ?
 2.  Could burst of gamma-rays, coming uniformly from all directions of the
   sky (recently there was some articles about this in sci.astro), be a sing
   of disturbances in "radiation peripheries", which was described in the
   same article mentioned above. ?
 3.  Could quantized redshifts of distant galaxies (recently there was some
   articles about this in sci.astro) be a sign of existence of very heavy
   mass (about 10exp50 kg) in center of the space, this mass was also
   described in same article mentioned above. ?


         Hannu.


 Below this David Brahm's article:

>X-News: tnclus sci.physics:11506
>From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
>Subject:Re: Neutrino rumor
>Date: Wed, 20 May 1992 00:19:11 GMT
>Message-ID:<1992May20.001911.3915@cco.caltech.edu>
>
>Wow, my own personal thread!  OK, here's everything I know now:
>
>Someone analyzed old Fermilab neutrino-beam data, and saw a statistically
>significant dozen or so events in which 2 neutral-current interactions
>(i.e. no charged leptons) were separated by about 30 cm (1 ns).  Thus:
>
>      nu_mu                  X                 nu?
> -->----+-------+------------>------------+------>-----
>        Z        Z                         Z
>        Z         Z    q (to jets)          Z    q (to jets)
>        Z          Z--<                      Z--<
>     (target)          qbar (to jets)            qbar (to jets)
>
>Since the final neutrino is not actually seen, we only assume it's there to
>conserve fermion number.  Thus we assume X is undergoing a 3-body weak
>decay, with some small mixing angle, say theta=.01 .  Gamma ~ theta^2 m^5,
>so by comparison to muon decay (tau = 2000 ns, m = .1 GeV) we guess m_X =
>2.5 GeV or so.
>
>--
>Staccato signals of constant information,  |  -- David Brahm
>A loose affiliation of millionaires and    |  (brahm@coil.caltech.edu)
>  billionaires and Baby ...                |---------------------------
>These are the days of miracle and wonder,  | Disclaimer:  I only speak
>And don't cry, Baby, don't cry, don't cry. |   for the sensible folks.


X-News: tnclus sci.physics:15371
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Fossil Paradox (was: Structure of Time)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 11:57:16 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Aug11.135716.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


 Hi !

 I would like to put here one point related to my article "Structure of Time"
 (this article was in sci.physics while ago) about time travel:


 "Fossil Paradox":
 ----------------

   Suppose we could build a "device" by which we could travel in time.
 Now we have for example a fossil of a little mammoth in a Russian museum.
 This fossil was found as frozen in ice in Siberia's tundra (in Russia) some
 years ago. If I remember right this fossil was estimated to be about
 39000 years old.
   Now what would you think it would happen to this fossil if we
 could get this little mammoth as a living being from the time about
 39000 years ago to our present time, with aid of our "device" mentioned
 above. ?
   H-M said that this fossil would burn away from all times between its
 capture time to the present time, if we would bring it as a living being
 from time about 39000 years ago to the present time.


         Hannu.

   "There is a bottle of poison, if you look it at closely, you will
    notice that a little bit is taken from it."

X-News: tnclus sci.physics:16291
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:About my papers (Calendar (NEW), Ancient Times, Surface Algebras, Struc
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:30:44 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Sep1.103044.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


 Hi !

     I would like to put one my E-mail comment about my papers here, because
  I consider it significant.

        Hannu.


  P.S. One other experimental possibility (although very uncertain) to find the
       exotic particle called "space potato" is possible from COBE's sky map
       pictures provided that the small scale structure of the Universe is
       steadyly magnified enormously to the largest scale structure of the
       Universe as Universe has uniformly expanded. These spots or spot
       triplets could have someting to do with this although errors in these
       measurements are quite large (let us wait a little better accuracy).
           (... one line deleted...)


 Below this comment:


> Dear Sir,
>
>  I would like to comment your E-Mail below:
>
>
  From:	SMTP%"X" 30-AUG-1992 14:16:42.23
>>To:	HPOROPUDAS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi
>>CC:
>>Subj:
>>
>>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 07:05:07 EDT
>>Message-Id: <9208301105.AA17915@rosie.mlfarm.com>
  From: X
>>To: HPOROPUDAS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi
>>In-Reply-To: HPOROPUDAS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi's message of Sun Aug 30 12:34:49 +0400
>>
>>HPOROPUDAS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>>
>>   Dear Sir,
>>
>>   If I post, I try to do messages as short as possible.
>>
>>Not really.  Your calendars and the musings of your daughter are of
>>very limited interest.  You should post a notice that a new version of
>>your calendar or a new cosmology of space potatoes is AVAILABLE, and
>>give ftp, uucp, or mail instructions for the few readers who might be
>>interested.  With a little net courtesy, you would actually gain more
>>readership instead of alienating the few readers who haven't already
>>put you in kill-files.
>>
  				X
  			    X
>
>    I'am sorry that I could not use this kind of possibility, because I don't
>  have any ftp, uucp where I could put my works.
>    There are also other difficulties, namely this publishing system that
>  our science uses in scientific newspapers. This system does not allow me to
>  publish any of my papers. So this Net was my only possibility.
>    I would like to say that my "Structure of Time" paper is important,
>  because I have pointed there some faults in basic definitions our current
>  physics. One of these important points was the correct definition of mass
>  of base particles and one other point was description of correct nature of
>  anti-matter and explanation of existence of negative masses. And numerous
>  other things which will cause that some parts of our current physics and
>  cosmology must be rewritten.
>
>
>              Regards,
>                      Hannu Poropudas
>
>
>   "Thrown to ignorance peoples give themself to work and employment, and
>    by keeping themselves sensible and learned they stagger without goal
>    like blinds lead by blinds."
>

X-News: tnclus sci.physics:16988
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Re: How old is the universe?
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 06:55:32 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Sep16.085532.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


In article <1992Sep15.232905.22752@infodev.cam.ac.uk>,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan) writes:
>
    ...some lines deleted...
>
> I must admit I'm not surprised; it doesn't seem to make any sense.
>Can you give
> some evidence for your theory, and some predictions from it that would
>enable it
> to be tested?
>

  Your first sentence is not very valuable because you don't give any
  reasons for your statement.

  Some possibilities for evidences:

  -  Uniformly from all over the sky coming gamma-ray bursts could be
   disturbances in these radiation peripheries.

  -  Quantized redshifts of some distant galaxies could be sign of existence
   of huge mass (about 10 exp 50 kg) in center of the space.

  -  Enormously and stabily magnified picture about very small scale structure
   of universe could possibly be seen in COBE's sky map pictures (if this
   process is possible in stablily and uniformingly expanding universe). It may
   be possible that details of radiation peripheries (exotic particles (called
   'space-potatoes')) could bee seen these pictures.
     However errors in these measurements are quite large. These spots
   corresponds also larger structures that possibly are larger than largest
   present systems in universe.


> Incidentally, regardless of the correctness of the theory, surely an
>unpublished
> article is no use at all as a *reference*?
>
> --
> Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
> gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]


  It was published here and some other newsgroups while ago because of
  criticism.

            Hannu.

  "Man without self-disipline is like a waggon hauled by refractory horses,
   where driver does not keep hold of bridle at all."


X-News: tnclus sci.physics:16936
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Re: How old is the universe?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:21:05 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Sep15.172105.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


 In article <1992Sep10.224942.21091@hellgate.utah.edu>,
 tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:

> How old is the universe is seconds?
>
> How much time is left before it crunches back together?
>
> Where might I find these figures in reference texts?
>

  Could any one of you check reasonableness of the following figures
  by computer calculations:

                           50
  There exist about 5000*10  kg ordinary mass (positive) in the whole universe,
                               50
  and there exist about 6000*10  kg so-called "magic mass" (negative) in the
  whole universe.

  The universe is oscillatory in nature, in other words there exists
  periodically "Big-Bang-Start" and "Mass-Disappearance".

  Masses for all base particles are only due to expansion resistance of the
  positive mass part of the universe and masses for all base particles are
  only due to contraction resistance of the negative part of the universe.
  The reason why absolute values of all base particles are bigger in negative
  mass part of the universe is due the point of view that there exist
                                                                    50
  an enormous concentration of mass in center of the space (about 10   kg)
  which increases contraction resistance in negative mass part of the universe.

  There exist equal number of all positive mass base particles and
  corresponding negative mass base particles (for example positive mass
  protons and negative mass protons, positive mass neutrons and negative mass
  neutrons, positive mass electrons, negative mass electrons, etc...).

  Positive mass part of the universe is expanding uniformly away from
  time's starting point and negative mass part of the universe is contracting
  uniformly towards time's starting point.

  I have understood that time dimension as a whole is like "length dimension",
  it is namely quantized by several hundreds of thousands of radiation
  peripheries, which starts from the time's starting point (in "Big-Bang") and
  ends to "Mass-Disappearance" point. This period is one cycle of our
  oscillatory universe. I have also understood that there exists only
  a finite number of these cycles.

  These radiation peripheries disappear when positive mass part of universe
  stops it's expansion. This is a point when universe's expansion resistance
  goes to zero. Mass for all base particles in positive mass part of universe
  is only due to this expansion resistance.

  Because radiation peripheries were formed from very small massive
  neutrinos related to electron (positive mass and negative mass neutrinos
  formed exotic particles called 'space-potatoes', this exotic particle was
  a fine structure detail in one radiation periphery), this mass is the
  reason why these radiation peripheries disappear when expansion resistance
  goes to zero. (This is also why 'all times' exist for a "while" together.
  This is also in a way a 'moment' when there is no 'time').

  I have not very clear idea what all 'happens' between the this point and
  "Big-Chrunch" (probably this latter does not exist at all). I'am also not
  sure what happens to the negative mass part of universe and will it stop
  contraction wholly (achieve its full collapse). I'am also not sure that
  what effects this invisible heavy mass (formed from diamonds) in center
  of space have to this collapse. It possibly prevents full collapse of
  negative mass part of universe.

  'Diamond', which was formed from one radiation periphery, in time's
  starting point, which have an electric periphery or somekind of flame
  around it which destroys neutrinos, and possibly at least neutrinos
  inside of 'diamond' will be saved from annihilation.

  From these figures and from this description it is perhaps possible to
  calculate the age of the universe and how much time it is to the
  "Mass-Disappearance", if you use the model of universe described
  above, to computer calculations.

  Reference for this text and these figures is my article "Structure of Time",
  which was not accepted to publication by Physical Review newspaper.


              Hannu.

   "Man's body is one type of 'neutrino cage' for man's 'neutrino soul'."

   "There is a bottle of poison, if you look at it closely, you will notice,
    that a bit is taken from it."

   "I would not buy myself at least for a while any stocks of Physical
    Review newspaper from the stock exhange."


X-News: tnclus sci.physics:16341
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Re: Redshifted light wonders
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:35:41 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Sep2.163541.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>



In article <1992Sep2.084230.104785@eratu.rz.uni-konstanz.de>,
peter@mach.physik.uni-konstanz.de (Peter Marzlin) writes:
> In article <1992Aug30.224446.25468@hellgate.utah.edu>
> tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:
>>   If the universe is expanding merrily away, and photons fly across this,
>> there are some peculiar things that result.... how can these things be
>> resolved?
>>
>>   1) Is there some minimal energy state that a photon can be redshifted to?
>> Is there some minimal energy which a photon can have before it effectively
>> ceases to exist?  (read next question to make more sense of this)
>>
>>
>>  3) Are these photons losing energy for the whole universe? Is energy not
>> being conserved, or is it?
>
> An appropriate way to handle those questions theoreticaly is to use
> a general covariant formulation (i.e. gen. relativistic) of quantum
> mechanics (and quantum field theory) . As one can go from nonrelativistic
> QM to special relativistic QM (e.g. Dirac equation instead of
> Schroedinger eq.), that is from QM being invariant under Galilei
> transformations to QM being invariant under Lorentz tranformations, one
> can generalize QM to be invariant under arbitrary coordinate trafos.
> This works also with the classical Maxwell equations, and if one works
> out such a theory one finds that energy is conserved only
> in very special spacetimes (to be definite: those which have a timelike
> Killing vector). Robertson-Walker spacetimes do not belong to this
> class, therefore energy is not conserved.
> The momenta of the photons are continuous, as in flat spacetime, and there
> is, in principle, no minimal level.
>

 I assert that energy could be conserved in cosmic redshift of background
 radiation, if we make hypothesis about existence of one new "Universe"
 called "Anti-World" (which was described in my "Structure of Time" article),
 which consists of negative mass base particles, and which is uniformly
 contracting towards time's zero point.


>>  2) Is there a continuous energy change for a particular photon, or does
>> it get redshifted across jumps?  Does not quantum mechanics imply that
>> there are only certain meaningful energy values, and as such would not a
>> photon move from one to the other?  If not, this would imply that there
>> would be undetectable photons- high energy photons which did not correspond
>> to any absorption frequency of any detection device.  Unless of course, the
>> detection devices were somewhat forgiving.... is this the case?
>
> To answer this question one has to go one step further and has to use
> quantum field theory in curved spacetime. This theory is
> still under development (since 25 years) and it has some standing
> problems.
> One is that one cannot say where in space a photon interacts
> gravitationally. For spacetimes without the symmetry described above
> it is even harder, sometimes you even don' t know how to define your
> photons in the right way.
>
> peter.


  Some difficulties may be in quantum field theory in curved spacetime
  such that there does not exist good algebra for handling directed geodesic
  lines, and there are difficult cutting problems when one tries to combine
  two such directed geodesic lines.

              Hannu.

X-News: tnclus sci.astro:12255
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Re: Regularities in red shifts
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1992 17:12:01 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Sep19.191201.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


In article <1992Sep18.195045.3012@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
newberry@astro.as.arizona.edu (Mike Newberry) writes:
> In article <1992Sep18.050222.28387@terminator.cc.umich.edu>
metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) writes:
>>In article <rl.716760358@cgl.ucsf.edu>, rl@socrates.ucsf.edu
(Robert Langridge) writes:
>>|>
>>|> The New York Times on Tues Sep 15 carried a report by Malcolm Browne
>>|> on the results reported over the last decade or so by William Tifft,
>>|> of the University of Arizona and now confirmed independently by
>>|> Bruce Guthrie and William Napier of the Royal Observatory, Edinburgh.
>>|>
>>|> In brief, Browne says, "...the shifts in the spectra of light coming
>>|> from distant galaxies are grouped in abrupt, regular steps, not a smoothly
>>|> random distribution.  The observation was so heretical and difficult to
>>|> explain that it was dismissed by most scientists"
>>|>
>>|> In Browne's words Tifft reports "...abrupt steps equivalent to 72 Km/sec,
>>|> with few if any red shifts between..."
>>|>
>>|> Sandage (who "...Tifft considers one of his most severe critics")
>>|> is quoted as saying: "The periodicity number seems to come up all
>>|> the time, and I don't have an explanation.  If it's true, we know
>>|> even less than we think."
>>|>
>>|> What are the current theories (I was going to say "if any", but this
>>|> field is not known for a lack of theories).  Any ideas I can conceive
>>|> of demand that the red shifts be due to a cause other than recession
>>|> velocity, which seems equally "heretical"
>>|>
>>
>>I don't know anything about this, but I'm going to look into it.
>>It seems pretty hokey to me.  After all, abrupt steps at 72km/s
>>corresponds to abrupt steps of 0.00024 in redshift.  Peculiar
>>velocities for extragalactic objects are way bigger than this;
>>how does one deal with that problem?  It's OK for clusters of
>>galaxies -- there, you have a ton of galaxies to average over
>>and beat down your errors.  But the redshift distribution of
>>clusters is not dense enough to see something like this.
>>
>>|> Browne mentions an article by Tifft and his collaborator, John Cocke,
>>|> in Sky and Telescope, which I have not been able to find . . .
>>
>>Sky and Telescope is not a scientific journal.  It is a magazine for
>>laypeople interested in astronomy, and amateur astronomers.  Surely
>>this can't be their primary publishing point.  If so, I'd have a
>>hard time buying their results.
>>
>>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Maybe the New York Times didn't learn from
>>Pons and Fleischman.
>
> There's no need to go to Sky & Telescope to find information on this subject.
> There are plenty of refereed papers in the literature on the 72 km/s and
> other periodicities in redshifts. Whether these periodicities exist or not
> and what they mean if they do exist has been argued vehemently ever since
> Tifft first proposed the idea some 20 years ago.  It seems that, depending
> upon who you are and how much you know about the subject, you either believe
> or do not believe that you see such periodicities in the same redshift data.
> Depending upon what method you use to search for periodicities, you can
> also find or not find them in the same data set.  If one finds a
> periodicity in some redshift data, how does one interpret it--is it the
> grand macroscopic "plan" of the universe or is it just an observational
> artifact or some other bias peculiar to the data sample??????
>
> Frankly, I don't know what to make of the whole idea.
>

  I have one suggestion: Could you try to clear up if there could exist
                                                                 50
  a "point like", invisible, huge consentration of mass (about 10   kg)
  in center of the Virgo Cluster.?

  If I remember right this is the biggest cluster of galaxies (it includes
  thousands of galaxies) in the neighbourhood of our own galaxy system. ?


> Look at papers by William Tifft, John Cocke, and references therein,
> appearing primarily in the Astronomical Journal and the Astrophysical
> Journal during the past two decades.
>
> Mike Newberry
> steward observatory
> newberry@astro.as.arizona.edu

            Hannu.

X-News: tnclus sci.physics:17248
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Re: Regularities in red shifts
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 07:56:06 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Sep21.095606.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


In article <1992Sep19.182731.22398@terminator.cc.umich.edu>,
metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) writes:
> In article <1992Sep19.191201.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>,
hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
> |>
> |>
> |>   I have one suggestion: Could you try to clear up if there could exist
> |>                                                                  50
> |>   a "point like", invisible, huge consentration of mass (about 10   kg)
> |>   in center of the Virgo Cluster.?
> |>
> |>   If I remember right this is the biggest cluster of galaxies (it includes
> |>   thousands of galaxies) in the neighbourhood of our own galaxy system. ?
> |>
> |>
> |>             Hannu.
> |>
>
> You are correct . . .Virgo is the nearest rich cluster to the local group.
> However, no chance of a 10^50 kg point mass in the center.
>
> 10^50 kg works out to be about 5*10^19 solar masses.  If this kind of mass
> lay at the center of Virgo, one would expect it to have some sort of dynamical
> effect on the state of the cluster.  There are two ways you can try to get
> at the mass of a cluster, and its mass distribution.  The first is to look
> at the velocity dispersions of the galxaxies in the cluster and use simple
> physics.  The second is to look at the observed properties of the X-ray
> emitting intracluster gas, and determine what mass is necessary to equal
> the pressure support of the gas and keep the gas bound (that is, assume
> hydrostatic equilibrium and calculate the mass).  Estimates for the mass
> in the Virgo cluster tend to be 5 or more orders of magnitude lower than
> your supposed point-mass.
>
> 		-- Chris
>

  Do you have better suggestions where it could be, if it exists. ?

  This mass concentration is like an enormous "elementary particle".
                                                                37     -3
  It's radius is only about 8 km. It has density about 4.66 * 10   kg m  .


         Hannu.


X-News: tnclus sci.physics:17415
From: hporopudas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject:Particles and Antiparticles (defective definitions)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 12:23:27 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Sep23.142327.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>


    Some defective definitions in our current physics:
    -------------------------------------------------


    I would only like to mention that definitions concerning particles
  and anti-particles are defective in our current physics. The definition of
  mass is also defective in our current physics.
    Masses of all base particles are only due to expansion resistance of
  universe in expanding part of universe and masses of all base particles
  are only due to contraction resistance in contracting part of universe.
  Negative masses in latter is due to negative expansion resistance, this
  also means revesed direction of time in contracting part of universe.
    Definitions of our current physics does not account existence of
  negative-mass particles and negative-mass anti-particles in contracting
  universe. This contracting universe is parallel universe to our expanding
  universe.
    Recently discovered gamma-ray-bursts coming uniformly from all over the
  sky could be disturbances in radiation peripheries related to this dual
  nature of our universe. These radiation peripheries are formed from excotic
  particles called 'space-potatoes' (space like size 20 cm - 30 cm to 2m - 5 m
  and I think that its time like size could be (space like size)/ c). This
  exotic is formed from positive and negative mass neutrinos (related to
  electron). These exotic particles may sometimes explode when someting
  touches on them and this may cause considerable "flash of lightnings".


       Hannu.

  Reference:

  Poropudas, H. K. J., 1992.
  Structure of Time.
  (Published in the Net while ago).

  "I would not buy myself at least for a while any stocks of Physical Review
   newspaper from the stock exchange."