HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:29:01 GMT

I read about the coming of ketamine ("vitamin K") to conquer the drug market.
Any base for these stories? Ketamine is an NMDA-antagonist, NMDA in turn is 
an excitatory neurotransmitter.

The article (don't remember the journal) stated that ketamine might be taking
extacy's place in the drug market, although it's effects are quite different.
Ketamine causes its user to take an inner trip, so it's not much of a social
drug. Ketamine is also used in pediatric anesthesia, so one can imagine it's
no stimulant..

/ep

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Effadrine hydrochloride
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:34:18 GMT

despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:

>I was addicted to ephedrine HCL for some time.  It is a delightful and "clean"
>seeming stimulant.  I became fond of ephedra (mormon) tea for obvious reasons... 

American _Ephedra_ species (eg _nevadensis_) are practically devoid of 
ephedrine.  These are the plants referred to as Mormon tea.   Remember, 
Mormon's don't do psychoactives.  _Ephedra_ is widely distributed in the 
Great Basin and Mojave Deserts and makes quite a tasty tea, if you are 
into native plants.  

The Chinese species (_sinesis_) do contain ephedrine but not in huge amounts. 

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 14:34:02 CDT
From: John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Holland Drug Classifications

In article <1992Aug23.001258.8758@muddcs.claremont.edu>,
cklausme@jarthur.claremont.edu (Chris Klausmeier) says:

Read as follows:

>Ultra-scary drugs: heroin, crack
>
>Scary drugs: morphine, cocaine, phencydeline, methadone, pethidene
>
>Medium-scary drugs: amphetamines, barbituates, LSD, psilocybin, mescaline,
>                    chemical solvents, absinthe
>
>Medium frightening drugs: opium, hashish, khat, coca, tobacco, distilled
>                           alcohol
>
>Not so frightening drugs: cannabis, fermented alcohol, peyote, hallucinogenic
>                          mushrooms, codeine, tranquilizers
>
>Non-frightening drugs: tea, coffee, chocolate

It only describes the fears of the person who wrote it. No science involved.


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Question about LSD (Microdot)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 21:24:07 GMT

In <1992Aug28.220755.983@ils.nwu.edu> dmm@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (donald) writes:
>Perhaps I can offer an illucidating note.  The original poster probably
>had hear about strychnine in relation to LSD as a contaminant and
>somewhere in the thread leading through him the origin of this
>contaminant got perverted.  Now to offer my take on this confusion:
>strychnine has been used by some labs to cut LSD since it is perceived
>by some to provide a somewhat enhancing effect.  There are, of course,
>down sides to this.  While in small quantities strychnine isn't lethal
>it can produce headaches, muscle tension and soreness (ex. jaw,
>shoulders), palid skin, cold extremities (hands, feet), general
>shakyness or jitters.

Have you a solid source for this information, or are you just another
victim of the invasion from the strychnine universe?
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                She was the kind of woman who lived for others.
                You could tell the others by their hunted look.
From: m1tca00@fed.frb.gov (Thomas C. Allard)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana for Paper
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:35:40 GMT
Reply-To: m1tca00@fed.frb.gov (Thomas C. Allard)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

In article <1992Aug31.182513.8806@bradley.bradley.edu>, pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
> In <1992Aug31.054306.23487@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:
> >Does anybody know anything about this. It sounds pretty far out, but also entirely
> >possible considering the way the US seems to run. If it is true it is pretty worrying
> >that something like this is occuring while we are destroying the forests of the world
> >for no real reason.
> 
> This is all documented at some length in a book called _The Emperor Wears No
> Clothes_ by Jack Herer, founder of H.E.M.P (Help End Marijuana Prohibition).
> When Jello spoke at Bradley University, he straight out explained that most
> of his Pot commentary was straight from the book, and as a proud owner of a
> copy, I can say that's quite correct.

Yes, "Grow More Pot" on Jello's _I_Blow_Minds_for_a_Living_ is Jello's book report on the _The_Emperor_Wears_No_Clothes_.  He also sings about it in the song "The Myth is Real (Let's Eat)" on the album _The_Sky_is_Falling_(And_I_Want_My_Mommy)_ w/nomeansno:

[...]
  Levis were once made of hemp
  From the marijuana plant
  One acre grows four times more paper
  Than an acre of trees

  More protein than soybeans
  Threat to logging companines
  DuPont and tobacco barrons
  Got it banned in '37
[...]

This is footnoted in the lyric sheet and refers to _Emporor..._!

----
"Oh Life's a Cabaret
 Like Berlin, 1930,
 All I crave is my escape"  --Dead Kennedys, "Saturday Night Holocaust"
rgds-- TA  (uucp: uunet!fed!m1tca00 | internet: m1tca00@fed.frb.gov)
[implied disclaimer]
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DYLYN)
Subject: Re: Help Me Out Please
Summary:  Rastas. etc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.083625.20431@alliant.com>, eaw@alliant.com (Eric Woudenberg) writes...
>In article <1992Aug26.205215.13038@cs.com> larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
> 
>>BTW, Rastafarianism has a lot of dubious (IMHO) precepts, like second-
>>class status for women, eventual domination of the earth by Rastas, etc.
> 
>Sounds a lot like the Christian Fundamentalists. Does this mean that not
>even large bong hits will improve their outlook?
> 
>Eric Woudenberg
	Nope, not even large amounts of Jamaican shit wrapped in a banana 
leaf :-}.  I guess you have to get into psychoactives to experience any major 
mind-shifts.
	About Rasta beliefs, yes unfortunately, they are Quite conservative:
The only things that set them apart from fundies is their use of ganga and
their strict vegetarian diet.  It's a shame, since Rastafarianism is so em-
powering to black men. (In Jamaica, like many other colonial areas,
blacks were taught to aspire to marry someone lighter-skinned than they were --
if not a white person, then an asian or lighter-skinned black.  Rastas 
challenged that.  Too bad the freedom to be proud of what you are doesn't 
extend to women).
						dylyn

" `We are not mentally unsound, Kluster-Chairman.  We will not cause you
any trouble.  We only want a quite place to finish working while God
eats our brains' "	---Bruce Sterling, "Twenty Evocations"
 dylyn (aka, d prosser) == S7356911@UCSVAX.UCS.umass.edu
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15078 soc.culture.usa:6917 talk.politics.drugs:5987
From: honig@aster.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:28:02 GMT

 jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>>Since USEnet is not US govt property and is indeed not even limited to the US
>>the US consitiution has no more bearing on it than that of the USSR or Germany.
>
>Well - not if you ask the US govt, which apparently holds the opinion
>that it's laws and standards apply globally.  I don't think USSR (RIP,
>though EC is trying to revive the idea) or Germany have made that
>claim.  Hmm, then again, there was Hitler and the Soviet Union has had
>some quite outgoin leaders also.  Hmm, perhaps you're right after all.

Remember that the US now believes that it can kidnap foreign nationals
on foreighn lands for US violations.

Personally I hope the Columbians kidnap a few US officials for yucks...



--
David "Dances with Motion Sensors" Honig

"Would you vote for a president who was too stupid to figure out how to
inhale?"
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Holland Drug Classifications
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:16:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.183619.16196@mits.mdata.fi>, jah@mits (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>>It only describes the fears of the person who wrote it. No science involved.
>
>   Would you then back up your claim that heroin is not too different from
>chocolate oh, so, SO scientifically? I didn't see any flaws in the
>classification, although I detest the concept of "hard" and "soft" drugs.

What are you talking about?  Well, perhaps there has been a claim of
heroin not being too different from chocolate made by John, but not
in that post.

What do you mean by "not flaws"?  Are you saying that John's
characterisation was somehow wrong or incorrect and there's some kind
of scientific, objective basis for the classification?

In my humble opinion, the "scare level" comment gives a reasonable
picture of the nature of the classification.  The classification might
also be useful, though - it's hard to think of an objective way to
dosuch a classification.

>Or is it that you're trying to mask your primitive fear of drugs?

????

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:36:03 GMT

In article <DLB.92Aug21110923@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
>
>   This got me thinking (it does happen occasionally).  Why couldn't
>   someone design a drug-adminsitering weapon for self-defense?

>I am surprised that none of the responses to this suggestion have
>brought up the simple fact that it won't work.  I notice that this is
>also posted to alt.drugs; perhaps one of the regular readers there who
>are more knowledgable than myself, such as the infamous Steve Dyer,
>can elaborate and correct my comments.

Yes, I was hoping for comments from Steve Dyer, since he knows more
about neuropharmacology than anyone else on the net.  I think he tries
to stay out of anyting gun-related, and I may be in his kill file (one
too many accidental posts to sci.med during the talk about the AMA and
gun control; I'm the world's most negligent "newsgroups:" editor).

>The reason no one has made a reliable "stun gun" (tasers are NOT
>reliable) is simply because we don't have the technology to do so.

That's really what I was asking, and the consensus seems to be along
these lines.   To clarify, though, the gun needn't be GUARANTEED
non-lethal; I'd settle for much-less-lethal than a good-stopping
handgun.  I alluded to this elsewhere in my message, but not clearly
enough.  I'd just rather not kill someone if I don't have to, but I'm
not willing to bet my life on mace, stun-guns, etc.

>The Green Hornet and other fictional characters notwithstanding.

I was thinking more along the lines of Captain Kirk.  What I really
want is a phaser I can set on stun.  The drug approach *seemed* a
little closer to reality.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15008 soc.culture.usa:6861 talk.politics.drugs:5952
From: eberts@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sonny Hays-Eberts)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.25AUG199215023946
Organization: University of Oregon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug25.211709.12199@amhux2.amherst.edu>, pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares) writes...
> 
>	I'm pro-God, and I don't think you should be allowed to discuss
>the merits or even the alternative of satan-loving on a network that is
>partially government-funded.
> 
>-Peter

 maybe that's why you're not in charge! :) our government allows 
 for freedom of speech, a concept that perhaps is alien to you. another
 part of our government is separation of church and state, so perhaps
 you should take your yapping about god off this partially government-
 funded network in order to avoid coming off as hypocritical? 


> 
>pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:43:50 GMT

>>>> The Fort Wayne, IN.  City Council is voting tonight on an ordinance
>>>> providing for fines to be levied against landlords who do not evict
>>>> tenants after the city sends the landlord a letter asserting that drugs
>>>> are being sold in said tenants' apartment.  The amount of the proposed
>>>> fines is to range from $500 to $2500/day.

>Another possibility is the you-say-frog-I-jump approach. Immediately
>upon receiving the letter grab your AR-15 (buy American) go to the
>apartment and tell everyone "Get out, NOW!".  Now that drug dealers
>have nuclear weapons you'd be foolish to go there unarmed.
>If they really are dealing drugs this may not be a good option.

A more ethical and more useful in the long run thing to do would seem
to me to go to the place where the law is passed (if it is) and do the
same.  But they do have nuclear weapons and according to the speech
when some people in LA did something with some resemblance to that
they won't hesitate to use them.

//Jyrki
From: raa@guild.socal.com (Raa Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Wasted
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:13:16 PST
Organization: TheGuild[FTS]

Hahah ... the Only drug Mixing I did was Smoked some acid spiked Canabis ... It got Me realy wasted but I didnt know it was a mixture until the day after ... everyone was telling Me how I could smoke Bahaman Joints spiked With LSD and I was stoked! EHheh

--- Via UCI v1.05 (C-Net Amiga)

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: spreading "end the prohibition" meme
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:48:31 GMT

I was thinking - around here at least the deal is that people have
very little information about drugs, just about none at all.  There's
no PDFA - sure, there's some demonizing on the press and kids are
thought the usual "drugs are bad" meme at school, but there's very
little information among most of the people about the effects of drugs
or even the names of drugs.  The common image is that "drugs are like
alcohol, only a lot worse", and that they're more harmful than
alcohol, cause addiction very easily and so on.  Alcohol is part of
the culture, accepted in many ways as part of the society even by
those who see it as a "necessary evil" because some want to drink it.

But drugs - people are not just interested in drugs and there are the
negative associations.

The effective method to change people's minds thus would be to
contradict the "drugs are like alcohol, only a lot worse" meme.  Other
memes to fight are "all drugs are alike/equally bad", "drugs lead to
addiction", "drugs lead to other drugs", "drugs are bad for health",
"drugs have no useful purpose".  The way to do this would be to post
"compacted alt.drugs FAQs" on public places specifically targeted to
repudiate the above memes, well backed up with facts / sources.

So - we would collect things like

- facts about health effects of illegal drugs compared to alcohol
  (aspirin 10 000, alcohol 8 000, marijuana 0 deaths, whatever)
- facts about medical use of illegal drugs
- things like "XX % of people who are alcoholics have started
  with water.  Don't let your kids drink water"
- medical references about addictiveness of tobacco/alcohol/mj
- quotes from the time of alcohol prohibition
- quotes from famous persons speaking against alcohol or drug
  prohibition
- humorous stuff about the above things
- references to drug use in positive connections in fiction (possibly)

Then we would write short paragraphs out of them, make a collection.
A few lines, ten at most - stuff people could put in their
.signatures, stuff like which the fortune files are made of.  We
should get the quotes into the fortune databases on the net.  Use some
humor so people won't be bored reading them.  Then people would print
them on paper, from three to five random quotes/fortunes on each piece
of paper, and go out to town and post the papers on various places,
hand them to people.  There needn't be anything else on the papers,
though some cute logo/name for the campaign could be there.  We could
write some scripts to make clean TeX output of the fortunes and print
out random quotes.  People at universities with net connections would
print them out and hand to others to photocopy.

According to the July 1992 usenet stats, alt.drugs has 67 000 readers.

//Jyrki
From: honig@aster.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:46:11 GMT

 gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:
>In article <BtMCJG.BIw@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson) writes:
>"Dope will get you through times of no-money better than money will get
>you through times of no Dope."
>				--FF
>
>boggle mode off:
>
>well, personally speaking, its one or the other.  I don't drink when I
>toke, and I don't toke when I drink.
>
>reasoning: when tokin, the alcohol seems more powerfull, the hangover
>is worse, and none of the "beneficial" effects of booze really
>work (lowered inhibitions, relaxation).  Basically, you get the
>hang-over without the high.

Its pretty common (and I've seen mention in the serious literature)
for psychedelic (mj, hallucinogens) fans to prefer softer alcohol
(wine, beer), eschewing distilled stuff.  Its also common for
real pot afficionados to avoid alcohol altogether, preferring their
drug of choice alone, except when they're out.

But they are synergistic, though as always, one should remember that
ethanol is an addictive toxic, carcinogenic, teratogenic gastric irritant.


--
David "Dances with Motion Sensors" Honig

"Would you vote for a president who was too stupid to figure out how to
inhale?"
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Effadrine hydrochloride
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:59:36 GMT

In article <199208281813.AA05621@ub.d.umn.edu> jkirby@UB.D.UMN.EDU (Just Kirby) writes:
>A few days ago, I pruchased (From Super America, no less) a bottle of
>effadrine hydrochloride.  It is sold as an asthma treatmen (bronciodialator)
>but I've been using it as a stimulant (tho it has cleadr up my breathing
>remakably).  It actually looks like white cross, you know, the "speed" you
>used to buy in highschool, and has similar effects;  hair tinglies and all.

Ephedrine is a mild stimulant, somewhat similar in effect to amphetamine
although it generally causes less euphoria and more anxiety and jitters.
50mg is about as much as anyone should take at a time.

>Does anyone know anything about the neuro-toxicity of the stuff?  How about
>it's long term effects?  Lee the Bastard told me that it causes liver
>problems over the long term, but he's a bastard and i don't know if I believe
>him.

Asthmatics have taken ephedrine for years.  It isn't particularly
toxic, if you don't have heart problems or high blood pressure.
Taking ephedrine for more than a few days induces tachyphylaxis.
(Heh heh, I thought I'd stop there and give you a fright... :-))
Tachyphylaxis is just a 50-cent word for tolerance.  It tends to lose
its bronchodilating effects after a while.  Probably a lot similar happens
to its CNS stimulant effects if you take it constantly.  Intermittent use
is less likely to produce this.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15292 alt.society.civil-liberty:5642 talk.politics.drugs:6097
From: Marc_North@mindlink.bc.ca (Marc North)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: *!*
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:22:27 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world






What!

You people are taking DRUGS!!

How dare you!





No, this post is not serious, just my attempt to humour all the reactionary
types out there.


--
Marc North  --  The Lanceholder's Group
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mshaughn@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Shaughnessy)
Subject: Making LSD
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:19:37 GMT


If anyone is interested in having a copy of the US patent for the
production of LSd, drop me a line, im in the process of typing the thing
out. Im not sure if this has been printed here before, so if it has, im
sorry for wasting the space.

BAh!

Mike.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.war