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> I would be interested in seeing (ahem..  unofficial) comments from HP
> people concerning possible enhancement of the cluster code to support
> multiple lan cards....

OK, this is as unofficial as you can get.  :-)

HP-UX Diskless is a proprietary protocol, not a multi-vendor standard,
for various and sundry reasons (many historical).  As such it has some
advantages and some disadvantages compared to, say, NFS.  (See an
earlier but concurrent discussion in this same newsgroup.)  One of
Diskless's disadvantages is the abovementioned restriction.  I wouldn't
bet on it going away...  I'm not a kernel guru but I think it's buried
in the design.

This disadvantage could hypothetically be one reason for moving away
from Diskless to more industry-standard protocols.

Disclaimer:  This response does not represent the official position of,
or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is
provided for informational purposes only.  It is supplied without
warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,news.answers
From: jt@ratp.fr (Janick TAILLANDIER)
Subject: Problem with ISO8859 and HP keyboard
Originator: jt@ratp.ratp.fr
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:58:30 GMT
Organization: Regie Autonome des Transports Parisiens, FRANCE

I have installed patch PHSS_1659 on an HP9000/400 (HP-UX 8.0) to be able
to use the ISO8859-1 character set with the resource "HPterm*roman8" set
to "False" and an appropriate ISO font.

Everything works fine but...  with an HP46021AF keyboard (French layout),
the key sequence [Ext Char][`] does not generate the character '|' (decimal
124) but a character whose decimal value is 166.  I am worried since this
key sequence in the only way to introduce the '|' character (very useful on
Unix :-) with a French keyboard.

Have I missed something ?

Janick Taillandier
jt@ratp.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight)
Subject: Re: Dat woes....
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:53:14 GMT

mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Belangee) writes:


>We've got a DAT that absolutely refuses to be ejected. Without taking my
>needlenosed pliers to it, can anyone offer a good suggestion for getting
>it out of my HP 735?


The Newer DAT mechanisms have an auto unjam feature.  Hold the eject button
in continuously for 10-20 seconds.  The tape should eject, other than that,
things get pretty messy.  Btw, many jams seem to be caused by tapes that
are not wound tightly.

Jim
From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Stopping tset from prompting for terminal type
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:16:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <fish.726442697@news.gsfc.nasa.gov>, fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:

> the default .profile for [k]sh users has the following line:
> 	eval ` tset -s -Q -m ':?hp' `

We use this:

        if [ "$TERM" = "" ]
        then
          eval `tset -s -Q -m 'lan:?xterm'`
        fi

Replace "xterm" with whatever terminal you want to default to. You may also
need this fallback code afterwards:

        if [ "$TERM" = "" -o "$TERM" = "unknown" ]
        then
            TERM=xterm
        fi

Hope this helps !

Richard K. Lloyd, 
Computer Science Dept.,   JANET     : rkl@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci
Liverpool University,     Internet  : rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk
Merseyside, England,    Q: "What's the world's fastest home micro ?"
Great Britain.          A: "The Archimedes A3000. 4 MIPS for under 800 pounds."
From: datpete@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Andersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Problem with getenv
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:02:29 GMT
Reply-To: datpete@mjolner.dk (Peter Andersen)
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

Hi.

I have got a problem with getenv on a hp9000s400.
I have a program called HPbeta, that needs to read some environment
variables. The problem is that it fails to read the *last* variable
in the environment.

Please study this output ( "beta louise>" is my prompt ):

First a simple printenv in the shell:

beta louise> printenv
TERM=xterm
TZ=MET-1METDST
LINES=30
COLUMNS=80
HOME=/users/beta
PATH=.:/usr/ucb:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin:/usr/lib/tex:/usr/loca
l/lib/beta/bin
SHELL=/bin/csh
MAIL=/usr/mail/beta
LOGNAME=beta
DesignPrintDirectory=/tmp
DesignPrintCommand=echo
CVSROOT=/users/beta/CVSHOME
XAPPLRESDIR=/usr/local/lib/X11R4
PAGER=/usr/local/bin/less
EDITOR=/usr/ucb/vi
LESS=mqei
TEXNORMAL=:/usr/local/lib/tex/inputs
MIASTYLES=:/users/beta/miadoc/inputs/styles/v1.3
MIAMACROS=:/users/beta/miadoc/inputs/docmacro/v1.2
TEXINPUTS=:.:/usr/local/lib/tex/inputs:/users/beta/miadoc/inputs/styles/v1.3:/us
ers/beta/miadoc/inputs/docmacro/v1.2
MANPATH=/usr/share/man/daimi:/usr/local/stdman:/usr/share/man/X11R4//usr/share/m
an/pbmplus
BETALIB=/usr/local/lib/beta/
XLIBDIR=/usr/lib
XLIBEXT=sl
beta louise>

Notice the last one "XLIBEXT".

Then I run my program under adb. I know from a previous run, that the
"XLIBDIR" variable (the one just before XLIBEXT) is at address 0xFFEFFFE4. 
I stop immediately at the "start" entry:

beta louise> adb /usr/local/lib/beta/system/v4.4.1/HPbeta
executable file = /usr/local/lib/beta/system/v4.4.1/HPbeta
cannot open core
ready
start:b

Now notice the dump from 0xFFEFFFE4, after the program is started with 
argument "draw.bet":

:r draw.bet
process 11514 created
/usr/local/lib/beta/system/v4.4.1/HPbeta: running
breakpoint      start:  ori.b   &0x0,%d0
0xFFEFFFE4,20?c
0xFFEFFFE4:     XLIBDIR=/usr/libXLIBEXT=
address not found in subprocess

The XLIBEXT variable have no value, despite the fact that "printenv" in 
the shell told that it had the value "sl" !

If I do a getenv("XLIBEXT") I get back the address just after "XLIBEXT=",
which is the address, that adb cannot access. Thus when I use the returned
value, I get a segmentation fault.

Have anyone seen this behaviour before?

The only special thing about the program "HPbeta" is that it was compiled and
linked on a HP9000s300 running HPUX7, and the problem only arises when run
on a HP9000s400 with HPUX8.0. Is this the reason?

Peter Andersen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tt@marius.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: PCL to PostScript translator
Originator: tt@marius.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:51:45 GMT

In article <FURNISH.93Jan7002216@dino.ph.utexas.edu> furnish@dino.ph.utexas.edu (Geoffrey Furnish) writes:

> If I could only get LaseROM
>or LROM to write the PCL formatted stuff to a _file_ instead of only
>to a printer, I could do what I need.  

Create a pseudoprinter that puts the printed stuff to a file.  E.g.,
use SAM or lpadmin to install printer with /dev/null as device and
manually modify the lp interface file appropriately (like, insert { in
the beginning and }>`mktmp` in the end).
--
Tapani Tarvainen  (tt@math.jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
From: tonyc@a4430ux.esr.hp.com ( Tony Cox (SR) )
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:03:40 GMT
Subject: Re: 3270 Emulation Software for HPUX
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Rockville
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

/ a4430ux:comp.sys.hp / tonyc@a4430ux.esr.hp.com ( Tony Cox (SR) ) /  8:46 pm  Jan  6, 1993 /
David...

Oops.....too long looking at the keyboard. I meant to say/type

This looks like you need TN3270. I have seen some discussion of this
product in>>>>comp.sys.hp<<<<. You may want to check there. I think it is a
g job but according to some local folks it works fine.
tonyc
----------
From: lar@fc.sde.hp.com (Larry Hofmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: netdist troubles
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:06:09 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpfclar.sde.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

You need a more current version of the "TOOL" fileset on the 800.
Contact your HP Sales Rep or Systems Engineer.

Lar

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This response does not represent the official position of, or statement by,
the Hewlett-Packard Company.  The above data is provided for informational
purposes only.  It is supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.os.vms,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps
From: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Subject: VT2XX emulator on HP?
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:34:52 GMT

We have users who need to use some VMS application from HP
workstations.  Problem is this application heavily depends on
functionality of VT2xx terminal for it's keyboard (function keys,
mainly) and special characters.  We can use xterm and setup key
translation to remap keyboard for some of VT220 function keys, but
xterm does not understand all the special characters for all the
border lines which the application use for character terminal
windowing.

We can run DECterm on VAX and display back to HP, but then there is no
(at least documented) way of remapping function keys.

So my question is: Is there good VT emulator which runs on HP which
could understand all special characters and which is capable of
remapping function keys?  Commercial, public domain, any kind of info
appreciated.  
--
					Hiroto Shibuya
			
					Applicon Inc.
					Billerica, MA
					U.S.A.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hkarhune@hydra.Helsinki.FI (Heikki Karhunen)
Subject: Backing up several HP's & GNU Tar
Organization: Department of Theoretical Physics, University of Helsinki,
	Finland
Distribution: comp.sys.hp
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:28:06 GMT


First some details.

In our configuration we have a 720 serving two 705s with about 2 Gb of
disk, a standalone 720 with 2.6 Gb of disk and an 345 serving a 340
and 400dl with 660 Mb of disk. 

Now, we also have a compressing DAT (HP35480A for those who want to
know).

As the specs say you can squeeze upto 8 Gb into a DAT tape with one of
these beauties. Ok, we'd really like to do our backups to one tape.
Easy, ehh? No way, buster....

The problem arises from the fact that fbackup insists on starting the
backup from the beginning of the tape, i.e. if the tape is not rewound
when fbackup gets its' grubby hands on the device, fbackup rewinds it.
Thus you cannot put but one fileset per tape.

As I inquired after some tools with which I could do this suddenly so
complicated chore, I was recommended HP's Omniback. But I don't want
to buy Omniback! It'd be completely perfect for this little job, but
it'd also cost more than we'd like to spend.

Well, I tried some native UNIX tools (find, cpio, dd, remsh, add some
piping and obfuscate) and managed to get a full backup from each and
every disk in the system to one tape. The only problem with this was
that it took some 12 hours to complete... 

At the moment I am trying out GNU Tar (version 1.11.11). The problem
with *that* is its inability to understand HP's cdf-files (Context
Dependent Files). I am trying to add support for cdfs to it, but so
far I have met with some resistance (I can make it archive them silly
buggers, but they won't come out!).

I'd like to know if someone somewhere has met up with this kind of
problems and solved them. I'd also appreciate it if someone has
already taught GNU Tar to understand about cdfs and could give me some
diffs.

Thanks in advance,

	Heikki

/-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------\
| hkarhune@hydra.helsinki.fi  | There is always a job for a theoretical |
| Heikki.Karhunen@helsinki.fi | physicist -- at least in theory.        |
\-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------/
From: allyn@sdd.hp.com (Allyn Fratkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: How does HPUX find name server?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:26:25 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlx.sdd.hp.com

In article <2935957466.2.p00004@psilink.com>, p00004@psilink.com (Michael Smith) writes:
> We have an oldish HP-UX system (9000/360, version 6.5) that used to be 

i don't think hp-ux 6.5 had name server capability at all.  i think 
name server capability was introduced in hp-ux 7.0.  this would mean your 
only hope for name service would be installing a newer version of hp-ux.

> created a resolve.conf file in the usual way with this address in it, 

the correct file name is /etc/resolv.conf (no e on the end of resolv)
but i don't think it matters on 6.5.

to check for sure, run this command:
	strings /usr/bin/telnet | grep resolv
if a line pops out with "/etc/resolv.conf" on it, then you have a
name server-capable version of telnet.  otherwise, i'm afraid you're
out of luck.

not an official response.
-- 
 From the virtual mind of Allyn Fratkin            allyn@sdd.hp.com
                          San Diego Division       - or -
                          Hewlett-Packard Company  uunet!ucsd!hp-sdd!allyn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: larry@iem.com (Larry Fenske)
Subject: Re: Distribution lists in elm
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:41:55 GMT
Organization: IEM, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu (Bruce Gotwols) writes:
: 	Can anyone tell me how to send mail to a distribution list 
: under elm?  if that's not possible, is there any way to send mail
: to a distribution list?
: 			Thanks, bruce

There are a couple of ways that I can think of, and all of them work
under elm.  You can set up a global elm alias, a personal elm alias, a
sendmail alias with the mailing list in the alias file, or a sendmail
alias with the mailing list in a separate file.  The advantage of the
last two solutions is that the same alias will work with other mailers
besides elm, as well as working with elm.

Sendmail aliases are in /usr/lib/aliases.  The name on the left side of
the colon (":")  will expand to the stuff on the right side.  If the
right side is a comma-separated list of names, that is what the alias
will expand to.  If the right side is of the form

	:include:/some/unix/file

then sendmail will look in that file for the comma-separated list of
names.  This is handy for allowing someone besides super-user to
maintain the mailing list.

After changing /usr/lib/aliases, run newaliases (as super-user).


-----
Larry Fenske
larry@iem.com
IEM, Incorporated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sgi
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: why does hpux tset always prompt for term type and not irix???
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:38:17 GMT


the default .profile for [k]sh users has the following line:
	eval ` tset -s -Q -m ':?hp' `

which always asks me "TERM = (hp)" (even if i'm on the console
or at an (obvious) true VT terminal)

isn't it supposed to be smart enough to go look in the termcap or
terminfo file to try to figure it out and then only ask if it has
a problem

under irix 4.0.1 the standard .profile has this:
eval `tset -s -Q`

and it always seems to figure out who you are

its not as simple as removing the -m option

		thanx,
			fish
--
John R. Vanderpool     INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov
NASA/GSFC/HSTX         VOX: 301-513-1683                
"Does God look down on the boys in the barroom,
 mainly foresaken, but surely not judged."       -robert hunter
From: jennifer@papillon.ucsd.edu (Jennfier S.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP-UX version of setpriority/getpriority
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:21:09 GMT
Organization: DIP Laboratory, UCSD/SIO, La Jolla CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: papillon.ucsd.edu
Originator: jennifer@papillon.ucsd.edu

Another BSD to HP-UX porting question:

Please, what is the HP equivalent of BSD's setpriority
and getpriority.

Thank you

jennifer@papillon.ucsd.edu
From: rlyle@nl.oracle.com (Rob Lyle  Wizard of Ozje)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: sar -v   text-sz header:  What is it???
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:54:20 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <28510404@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com>, franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC) writes:
|> rlyle@nl.oracle.com (Rob Lyle  Wizard of Ozje) writes:
|> 
|> > HP hungry people,
|> > 
|> > 	HP-UX 8.07  HP 9000/827S
|> 
|>   I hope you are running 8.02! :-)

Juist!  Foutje.  Ofcourse - my fingers were a little cold when I typed that in.

|> > In the sar -v output, the first heading listed is "text-sz".
|> > I'd like to know exactly what that is and which kernel parameter(s) affect it.
|> 
|>   As sar(1) says, it is the size of the text table. The relevant kernel
|> parameter is ntext. See the SA Tasks manual for details on ntext and the SA
|> Concepts manual for details on (shared) text (code).

According to another HP guru in the states (sorry - lost your mail whoever you
are), it's a redundant parameter.  That may explain why it sits at 76/76 day-in
day-out.

Any comment?

--Rob.


|> 
|> Frank Slootweg, HP, Dutch Customer Response Center

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: howeird@hpl.hp.com (Howard Stateman)
Subject: Re: Distribution lists in elm
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:25:57 GMT
Organization: HP Research Grants Program
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Bruce Gotwols (gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu) wrote:
: 	Can anyone tell me how to send mail to a distribution list 
: under elm?  if that's not possible, is there any way to send mail
: to a distribution list?

One way is to use your favorite editor to create a distribution list in
elm/aliases.text in this format:

alias = Real Name = user@address

and end it with:

group_alias = Group Alias = alias1,alias2,alias3...

To activate the aliases, run "elmalias". Using the list of aliases instead
of full email addresses gets around the 256-character limit per alias.

-Howard

--
Howard Stateman  
howeird@hpl.hp.com (415) 857-7941
Research Grants Program Support Engineer
HP Labs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: barstow@cv.hp.com (Art Barstow)
Subject: Re: VUE defining filetypes problems
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:16:02 GMT

Dave Willoughby (davew@olo.dec.com) wrote:

	> 
	> CORE
	>     */core 		\
	>     !d&r 		\
	>     core.l.bm 	\
	>     core.s.bm		\
	>     XDB

The problem with the above filetype definition is that
a continuation mark on the "CORE" line is missing.

Put in the continuation and make sure that NO whitespace
follows the mark.

	> 
	> NONREADABLE       	\
	>     *          	\
	>     !d&!r&!x    	\
	>     ${NOREAD_L}  	\
	>     ${NOREAD_S}
	> 

The problem with the above definition is that it is 
missing the "actions list".  Change it to:

NONREADABLE       	\
	*          	\
	!d&!r&!x    	\
	${NOREAD_L}  	\
	${NOREAD_S}     \
	SomeAction

Note that even if you don't have an action for this
filetype, you need to put one in the definition.

	> 
	> Anyone see what I'm doing wrong ?
	> 
	> Thanks for any ideas,
	> 
	> Dave Willoughby,
	> Digital Equipment Co Ltd,
	> Warrington, UK.

Art Barstow
barstow@cv.hp.com
---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tt@marius.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Subject: Re: clusters
Originator: tt@marius.math.jyu.fi
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:08:18 GMT

In article <28226@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mario@cad4.lbl.gov (mario aranha) writes:

>We have ~15 300/400's and ~10 700s. Any significant comments on
>making a mixed-cluster out of these?

I'd probably make two clusters of the lot -- two mixed clusters, not
one 700- and one 300/400 cluster (even though that would save disk space):
that way you can easily move machines from one cluster to another,
like when one server is down.  But even a single 25-machine cluster
might not be a bad idea, depending on how they're used.  You could 
start with that and split it if the server chokes.

>Any stats on server swap vs. local swap ? Is local swap an order
>of magnitude faster or what?

It isn't necessarily much faster if the server isn't busy, and if the
server has faster disks it may even be faster than local swap, but if
20+ machines swap to a single server they better have so much RAM they
don't swap much ...  A compromise is having several auxiliary swap
servers, like one disk for every three machines, but even then heavy
swapping may choke the lan.  Then again the machines won't perform
too well anyway if there is much swapping even with local disks,
so it might be better to buy more RAM instead of disks, depending ...

>Was told HP plans to replace clusters with NFS in the near future.
>Is this true?

Gack.  I hope not.  I'd much rather see the opposite, i.e., using the
HP diskless protocol for inter-cluster file access: it is faster, more
convenient with CDFs, and more reliable than NFS.
--
Tapani Tarvainen  (tt@math.jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
From: jch@jch@nr-tech.cit.cornell.edu (Jeffrey C Honig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: GATED for hp350
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:01:54
Organization: Information Technologies/Network Resources; Cornell University;
	Ithaca, NY USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mitchell.cit.cornell.edu
In-reply-to: dbi@cs.columbia.edu's message of Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:46:28 EST

The Offical gated is always available for anonymous FTP from
gated.cornell.edu in the directory pub/gated.  If HP does not supply a
gated you can use you can try gated 2.1.  If that doesn't port easily I
recommend putting any effort into porting the Alpha version.

Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: umberto@aomc.jussieu.fr (Umberto D'Ortona)
Subject: Re: Problem with ISO8859 and HP keyboard
Organization: AOMC, Universite Pierre et Marie Curie, Paris, France
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:35:16 GMT

The problem was founding the "|" character in a xterm with a french keyboard.

In article <1993Jan8.214117.15080@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, tommc@hpcvusc.cv.hp.com (Tom McFarland) writes:
|> 
|> [...]
|> So to solve your problem, use an ISO8859-1 font with your xterm.  Since
|> the file names for the latin-1 fonts are identical in most cases to those
|> of the Roman8 fonts, you will need to do one of the following:
|> 
|>   1. modify your X servers default search path
|>     (use xset +fp /usr/lib/X11/fonts/iso_88591/75dpi)/, but do this only
|>     if you want Latin1 for all/most clients.
|>   [...two other methods I did not test...]
|> In addition to one of the above, you still need to put the appropriate keysym
|> in your servers keymap.  To do this:
|>    xmodmap -pk  (this prints out the current keymap for your X server)
|>    locate the keycode value on which the broken bar keysym is allocated.
|>    then modify the keymap by typing the following:
|>       xmodmap - <Return>
|>       keycode NUMBER =  grave asterisk bar brokenbar
|> 
|>    I think you will find NUMBER to be 108 for the ITF French keyboard.
You are right, it's 108
|> 
|> Good luck,
|> 
|> Tom McFarland
I only tested the first method you propose and it's fine.
This is also fine when I export xterm from 
other computers (sun, cray) except from an IBM RS6000, when 
I type  [Ext Char][`], I reveived ascii code 252.
I guess it's because of that stupid IBM computer.
But this is not really important.
Thanks a lot

-- 
Umberto D'Ortona (umberto@aomc.jussieu.fr)
Labo. AOMC   Universite  P.  et  M.  Curie 
4  Pl Jussieu  75252 Paris Cedex 5  FRANCE
Tel: 33 1 44274529      Fax: 33 1 44273854