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From: zimmerma@ucrengr.ucr.edu (christopher r. zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Killed & John Arezzi
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:42:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1i7ql9INN3va@agate.berkeley.edu> srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
>I can't remember whether or not I've ever actually posted here, or if I've
>been a lurker ... so I am perhaps not the best person to speak up.

I thought your comments were quite valuable.

>The only thing that separates me from a mark is that I read r.s.p-w and
>the rassling section in the CompuServe Sports Forum.  And I guarantee you
>that without the kind of "insider" information (and b.s.) that I read in
>forums such as these, I would be less than a mark ... I'd be a non-fan.  I
>don't have any actual data, but then, I didn't see anything but anecdotal
>information in the previous post, so I'll just note that for every mark
>who loses interest in rassling because they read r.s.p-w, there must be at
>least one person like myself whose interest in rassling is maintained by
>what I read here.

Add me to that list.  I'm sure I wouldn't have stuck with wrestling if not
for r.s.p-w.  Questions like "Hey, what happened to Nailz?" would just eat at 
me until I threw in the towel and quit cold turkey.  I also have to consider
myself an "enlightened mark," and indeed, I write the PrimeTime reports from
a mark's perspective, albeit I add in-jokes as I see fit.  The reason you 
don't see the word "Doink" in the reports is because no one has said it on
PrimeTime yet.  If the WWF were to really peruse these newsgroups, I wouldn't
be surprised at all if they changed it just to prove us all wrong, if they
were so inclined.  I would bet, though, that it isn't worth it.

>Since the Whiff is listening, maybe I'll add this point:

I have enough problems believing that 13,000 people read this newsgroup, much
less anyone in the WWF hierarchy.  I mean, if they did, wouldn't they hire
me as a WWF Magazine article writer?

>Steven, a mark and proud of it, sitting in Section 117 Row G Seats 18/19

Hey, I'm sitting damn close to you!  Send me some email, I'd like to meet
a fellow "mark" from r.s.p-w...

Christopher Zimmerman           =I have my Royal Rumble ticket=
  / kzim@watserv.ucr.edu / kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu / zimmerma@ucrengr.ucr.edu /

PS You can bet your sweet bippy I wouldn't have given BASS $17.50 to go to
the Arco Arena and see the RR if I wasn't an r.s.p-w'er...so by my count,
that's $17.50 (plus concessions) that the WWF et al gets due to this group.
Now, I KNOW that can't compare to the thousands, nay, millions of dollars
that this group must divert from those disheartened by r.s.p-w...

...but at least it's something.
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: RR/WM9 THE Prediction
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

WO>I'm curious, Isn't Flair supposed to be taking a few months off?  He is
  >scheduled to wrestle Bret Hart January 1.

WO>Does that mean the inner ear infection has just a hoax?

No, it means that the man has amazing recuperative powers.
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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: More on Nailz's firing
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli) writes,

CH>Nailz may have cleverly cried "sexual harrassment" even though it is
  >untrue. In a court of law, Nailz's lawyer may try to establish
  >McMahan as someone who's past history shows that he has done this type
  >of thing ("...I now call Superstar Billy Graham to the stand...").
  >Rather than fight and have all these allegations come out in a court of law,
  >Vince may just settle out of court.

I talked to a friend in the know, and he thinks that is exactly what
Nailz did.  With the countersuit, there would be no way that Vince would
take Nailz to court.  There is just too much dirty, make that putrid,
laundry in Vince's closet.

BTW, Charlie, I have been hearing a LOT of serious Arezzi bashing.
Heard anything up there?
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From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Wrestling Challenge
Date: 3 Jan 1993 07:22:22 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

	I said I missed Challenge this week, and I did, but I just caught it
at 1:00 am on a replay. I didn't write down everything that happened, but 
here's the important stuff:

	Heenan gave no further clues about the identity of Narcissus. I really
hope it's not Luger. I doubt it will be, as you remember at WM8, Luger was
introduced to all the marks as himself, and I still think he will wrestle as
himself.

	Interview with Kamala: Dr. Harvey explains why they are mistreating
Kamala, to make him a better wrestler because he is just a savage and has no
mind of his own. Slick appears (Oh, no!) and chides Wippleman for treating
Kamala "worse than I would treat a dog." Slick tries to convince Kamala that
he's not an animal, but a man. Leads the crowd in a chant of "You are a man,"
as Kimshee smacks Kamala towards dressing room.

	Steiners debut. Their ring music is dumb. It sounds like a college
fight song. Bobby Heenan has caught the Jim Ross disease, as he immidiately
tells us Rick and Scott were All-Americans at Michigan State. They looked very
sharp. Rick did a great powerslam out of his opponent's leapfrog. They won
with a DDT off top rope. Rick holds opponent as for LOD's finisher. Scott
climbs to the top and DDT's opponent.  It looked good, but IMHO the bulldog off
the top looks better. No Frankensteiner, even though a few fans at ringside
called for it. Rick's Dino Bravo-style run laps inside the ring and bark thing
got the biggest pop. Monsoon and Heenan both admitted they are already major
contenders to Money Inc. No doubt in my mind they are tag team champs on or
before WM9.

	Everything else was the same as Superstars. In the event center they
hyped a Providence, RI house show in Feb. after RR. ME is Perfect-Ramon ,
Savage fights Yokozuna (If Zuna does win the Rumble, does Macho Man job?) and
also Steiners-Beverly's. Does this mean a non-conclusive end to the Steiner's
PPV debut? I doubt it. Really, who else will the Steiners feud with? There are
only 3 heel teams in the WWF right now after all. Anyone else going to the 
Bahstahn Gahden cahd next week? (That's Boston Garden card for you southerners
out there.) 

				Steve "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy" Sousa
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Philly show 12\29
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Here are full results of the WCW card on 12\29 in Phila, Pa.

There were between 800 to 1000 people there which was disappointing
considering the card.

Rude was scheduled to beat Simmons at Starrcade, but since he was hurt,
he could not do so.  There was a match scheduled where the winner from
Starrcade would defend against Vader.  I was told they were seriously
considering changing the belt here, but since the crowd was so small,
they decided to do it in Baltimore the next day.  So, in the beginning
of the show, Simmons was announced as not being there, which got a huge
pop from the crowd.  Philly is a pro-heel city, but this was not an
anti face pop.  It was more of a "Thank God we don't have to watch Ron
work yet another boring match" pop.

The opener was Scorpio vs Vegas.  It was all Scorpio.  I know that
shocks you. Scorpio did a splash.  The ref counted to 2, realized he
should have counted to 3 and did so.  Bad ending.  It set a tone for the
night.                 * 1\2

Paul E and Madusa had a 5 minute match.  Stupid.  Boring.  Awful.  DUD.

Erik Watts made Tex Slashinger submit to the STF.  Watts was totally
abused by the Philly crowd.  We hated him.  He was pathetic.  DUD.

Then, they had the balls to have an intermission.

They came back with Badd and Flamingo in a boxing match.  Badd won.  No
one cared.                                                 DUD.

Windham pinned rhodes after hitting him with the boot.  Good match, lots
of action.                                                 ***

Next was to be Sting vs Muta, Chono vs Austin, then Simmons vs Vader.
Since Simmons "was not there" they took these matches and made ONE tag
match with Chono and Vader against Muta and Sting.  Sting pinned Chono
after cathing Chono who was attempting a flying body press.  Okay, but
not as good as these guys are capable of.                 *** 1\4.

Next was Steamboat and Douglas vs Liger and Sasake.  Pretty good match.
They were brawling back and forth when Steamboat very unrealistcally
rolled up Liger.                                           *** 1\2.

Bad follow up to a good Starrcade show.
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From: sweide@uceng.uc.edu (Steven Weide)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: The Macho Machine
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:45:34 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Junior has come up with one of his worst ideas in a long time.  I just saw an
add for the Macho Machine, the WWF's version of (believe it or not) Soloflex.
Yes, they are now marketing exercise equipment.  Will they never stop?

Steve
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From: sweide@uceng.uc.edu (Steven Weide)
Subject: Up Close with AA
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:57:28 GMT


Does anyone but me think this sounds way to much like it could be the truth.
I could see Cowpie not giving him a contract out of shere stupidity. 
This was classic AA, especially the part about seeing NepoBoy in a ice cream
shop with his girlfriend.  

With Flair rumored to be coming back, maybe they could put the Horsemen back
together.  AA, Flair, Barry, and Austin(?).  If used right it could work.

Steve
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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Re:  Jesse Ventura
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:43:35 EST

Whatever happened to Jesse Ventura, a poster asks?

You should remember, he's now the HONORABLE Jesse Ventura, still mayor
of whatever town in Minnesota elected him.  In all likelihood community
work in his mayoral capacity took him away from WCW broadcasting act-
ivity.  This is especially likely since it's an election year.

The Bandwidth Mountie
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From: mb20@prism.gatech.EDU (BRANCH,MICHAEL B)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Any Survivor Series Results? My predictions:
Date: 29 Dec 92 03:21:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


   Just got back from seeing the matches...
 Here's the results, opinions to follow later:

 Battle Bowl Matches - Spivey and Hammer over Jack and Badd when Badd
 punches Jack.
 Vader and Rhodes over Barbarian and Sasaki
 Muta and Windham over Pillman and Scorpio
 Sting and Steve Williams over Watts and Liger (one opinion, Watts was
 the comic highlight of the match, missing lots of moves. Liger was 
 wasted...)

 Rude out due to medical problem, Steve Williams to take his place...
 Rude comes out and bitches about a doctor messing up his chances, says
 that WCW are threatening to strip his US belt if he can't defend it.
 No idea if this a legit injury or a strange work...

 Simmons and Williams are both counted out (I guess?), but then referee
 changes decision and makes Simmons winner via DQ. (why?)

 Chono over Muta in a slow match.

 Steamboat and Douglas over Windham and Pillman in the best match of
 a very spotty night.

 Sting over Vader

 Winner of Battle Bowl... The great Muta.


 (Vader took out himself and Sting, Muta took out Windham for the
  victory)

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From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Killed & John Arezzi
Date: 3 Jan 1993 22:51:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Summary: Subject of this message is a buncha crap

I can't remember whether or not I've ever actually posted here, or if I've
been a lurker ... so I am perhaps not the best person to speak up.  But it
says something about the level of stupidity in the previous message asking
that the "good" stuff be moved to a mailing list that I was inspired to
add my two cents worth. 

The only thing that separates me from a mark is that I read r.s.p-w and
the rassling section in the CompuServe Sports Forum.  And I guarantee you
that without the kind of "insider" information (and b.s.) that I read in
forums such as these, I would be less than a mark ... I'd be a non-fan.  I
don't have any actual data, but then, I didn't see anything but anecdotal
information in the previous post, so I'll just note that for every mark
who loses interest in rassling because they read r.s.p-w, there must be at
least one person like myself whose interest in rassling is maintained by
what I read here.

Guess what?  I don't need someone looking out for my interests!  If I post
a stupid, mark-like message here, I can take the flames that result ... in
fact, given the spirit of pro rassling, I *like* flamewars here, and think
they are appropriate where other newsgroups might call for more moderate
discussion.  I don't need to be protected from flames, and I don't need to
be protected from "inside" information ... and I am a better rassling fan
(and I spend more money on rassling) because of places like r.s.p-w.

Since the Whiff is listening, maybe I'll add this point: if a mark starts
reading r.s.p-w and realizes that a WWF House Show is a total ripoff, and
turns to other forms of entertainment, the answer isn't to hide r.s.p-w
from the marks ... the answer is to increase the workrate at house shows. 
And I wouldn't even know what the hell "workrate" was if I didn't read
these forums.

Steven, a mark and proud of it, sitting in Section 117 Row G Seats 18/19
for the Royal Rumble, who thinks Road Warrior Hawk was the greatest.  WHOOOO!
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Questions I've always
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

MA>For what it's worth, Meltzer was reporting a few years back that
  >Brunzell and Gagne did not get along outside the ring.  (Hey,
  >Dave, look it up in Who's Who!)  I also remember hearing rumors
  >that Greg Gagne had been offered a front office job at Titan awhile
  >back -- but I don't remember any details about that.

I remember that too now that I mention it.  I don't remember how much
was animosity and how much was being stuck on the road with the same guy
all of the time.  That has caused rifts in the greatest of teams.
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From: bpc@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu (CRAIG BRIAN)
Subject: history of japanese wrestling
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Graduate School and University Center, CUNY, New York
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:25 EST
From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WWF Superstars
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:48:08 EST
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:

> 	McMahon tells us Blob Man has injured his wrist due to clown's prank.
> 	(let's hope it's career ending)
 
Why? IMHO (and I'm sure I'm not alone), BBM is one of the hardest workers in 
the WWF. Hell -- it beats watching Yokozuna lumber around the ring.
 
I'd rather see the clown suffer a career-ending injury at the hands of his 
own pranks (Sorry, but to see a once-great wrestler like Borne sink so 
low...)
 
--Don

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From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling Challenge Dec 27th -- Monsoon Mistake
Date: 31 Dec 1992 00:03:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) says:

>Surprised nobody posted this yet...at least, I didn't see it.

Nyah, ya didn't miss anything, nobody has said much of anything
about the weekend WWF syndies (damn, might post the program
summaries if the other guy who offered to do it doesn't).

>During the match between the Bushwackers and the team of
>Brooklyn Brawler and Barry Horowitz, Gorilla Monsoon
>clearly says:  and there goes *Lombardi*
>
>I can't recall Monsoon ever using Brawler's real name, so
>I presume this was a slip of the tongue.

Well, in all likelihood, Monsoon probably called Steve
Lombardi by his name (a) when he was wrestling as Steve
Lombardi and (b) when Heenan made him over as the Brooklyn
Brawler (and had a minor push at that time).  Since Heenan
dropped the Brawler everyone has convienently forgotten
his previous personna or even that Heenan was once his
manager.  Now if Monsoon brought *that* up then that
would be a real slip.
 
>Monsoon is a GREAT announcer, so he is entitled to a mistake
>now and then.  I just hope the Weasel weasels his way onto the
>new show replacing Prime Time.  Monsoon and Heenan are clearly
>the best broadcasting team bar none.

They ain't bad, ain't bad.  Beats McMahon anyday but Jesse gives
them a run for the money.
 
>					Dodger
 
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From: rodney@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Rod Hutchings)
Subject: test
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:05:51 GMT

This is a test to see if my .sig file works. Please ignore.
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From: varneyml@wckn.dorm.clarkson.edu (Mike Varney)
Subject: Re: Vince to Duggan: "GOOOOoo
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:36:43 GMT

mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens)  writes:
>To: cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli)

>CI> Jim Duggan was given his walking papers. The reason?
>CI>Well, the FBI is aparrantly investigating Vince and Jim
>CI>Duggan cooperated with the FBI. Vince got wind of this
>CI>and Duggan was canned...

>If he is fired why is he going to be in the Royal Rumble?
>Meltzer says Duggan quit voluntarily since he figured he could make
>more money on the independant route instead of being booked occasionally
>with the WWF and pay for his own travel costs.

Duggan was also in a local WWF card here in Albany, NY yesterday (Dec 26).

							Mike
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: dirty yellow dogs
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:51:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.192508.22077@news.nd.edu> ckennedy@doc.helios.nd.edu (chris kennedy) writes:
>What does anyone think,  Barry and Brian lose to Ricky and Shane at Starcade,
>attack them in the parking lot afterward, causing lots of damadge.  Near the
>expiration of the 30 days that the belts have to be defended by they agree
>to another tag match with Barry and Brian with the stipulation that if Ricky 
>and Shane win Barry nad Brian have to leave the WCW.  R&S win when nepo boy #1
>interferes.  Ricky, Shane and Dustin celebrate, B&B attack with chairs and 
>put R&S out for 30 days, oh no we need a tournament, but wait, who is this 
>masked team, the dirty yellow dogs.  They....could.....go....all....the...way..
>About this time Barry and Brian should return, sans masks, and start bad
>mouthing the Dirty Yellow Dogs.  Watts is forced to let them back in because 
>they lost due to dustins interferance.  A match is signed, Barry and Brian 
>show up two masked wrestlers show up as the dogs and are beat.  The masks are 
>taken off and it is Mike Thor and Sonny Blaze or some other jobbers.  All
>this time Barry and Brian are denying that they were ever the dogs.  The next
>week two people come out in the masks and say that Thor and Blaze are not the
>real dogs, they are and they want a shot at Barry and Brian, a series of matches
>ensues and the dogs either win and are revealed to be nepo boy #1 (Dustin) and
>Brad Armstrong or get their butts kicked and are revealed to be Nepo boy #1 
>and Nepo boy #2 (Eric).  

>So how 'bout it could I get a job as a booker for WCW

Only if the scripts are delivered orally.

I was impressed that you actually separated the last sentence from the
rest of your post.  What a refreshing change from you -- keep it up!

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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: WWF vs. WCW
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

DNK>I think that the pessimism for WCW may be well founded but the optimism for
   >is not. The big signs of change for the WWF are making Flair submit to Hart
   >bringing Backland back.

I agree.  To be honest, neither group can make my top 5, which is:

1) All Japan
2) All Japan Women
3) New Japan
4) Smoky Mountain
5) The EMLL
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Hometown Bashing
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:55:18 GMT

I guess if you live in Saskatoon, Heenan and Flair have been doing a
lot of "hometown bashing" since Flair dropped the title there to Hart.

Can't think of anyone recently whose bashed Winnipeg, my hometown, or
Ottawa, my current place of residence.

Michael