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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Kenny Rogers (was Re: THE trade... A ranger fan's thoughts..
Keywords: eat more ranger moose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:00:18 GMT

In article <2AA61B08.1170@news.service.uci.edu>, jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
|> 
|>      Jose is cheap by about 1.5M, compared to what Sierra will cost them,
|>      and all indications are that Jose will be there for the next 3 yrs.
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now wait a minute.  He has the option of asking to be traded.  In an interview
yesterday (9/2/92) he was very honest and said he didn't know if he'd
exercise that option because he hadn't been with Texas and played yet.
Stay tuned.

|> 
|>     Kenny Rogers is a better closer, if his role is defined as a closer
|>     (as he was 2 years back, when Russell was out.), and his adrenaline is
|>     pumping.

Egad, man!  Kenny Rogers a better closer?????  No, no, the Rangers struggled
ALL YEAR while Russell was out.  He might have been pumped up, but then as
now, he lets 99.99999% of inherited runners score.  That's no closer.

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From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper)
Subject: Re: Collectible Autographed Baseball
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:17:14 GMT

>In article <2054@deadmin.ucsd.edu>, napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier) writes...
>> 
>>I discovered my mom has a baseball autographed by all (or almost all) the
>>1952 Brooklyn Dodgers. Does anyone who collects baseball memorabilia know
>>what this may be worth? Thanks.
>> 
>>-- 

	The ball with the signatures is quite valuable by any standards
	(the dollar figure could be from a couple of hundred to possibly
	several thousands of dollars) but is influenced by many variables.
	Primary considerations;
		Condition of the Ball
		Condition of the Signatures
		Placement of the Signatures
		Exactly which signatures are there


	And, last but not least, who is interested in buying the ball
	(if you are even looking to sell).

	There are many large Collectible shops that specialize in sports,
	I'd call several to get a better idea.


	Kit


			
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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Thu, Sep 3rd, 1992
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:03:02 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


     MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 03, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		 --		        Pittsburgh Pirates	z--
Cincinnati Reds		 24		        Montreal Expos		z28
San Diego Padres	z23		        Chicago Cubs		z23
Houston Astros          z15		        St. Louis Cardinals      21
San Francisco Giants     12		        New York Mets           z17
Los Angeles Dodgers	  6		        Philadelphia Phillies	  9

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	 --		        Toronto Blue Jays	 --
Minnesota Twins         z25		        Baltimore Orioles	z29
Chicago White Sox       z22		        Milwaukee Brewers	z25
Texas Rangers		z14		        Detroit Tigers           16
Kansas City Royals       12		        Boston Red Sox          z15
California Angels       z11		        New York Yankees         15
Seattle Mariners	  6		        Cleveland Indians        14
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Wrigley wind or not: that is the question
Keywords: Wind blowing out of Wrigley
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:27:00 GMT
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Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug25.153724.1102@advtech.uswest.com>, steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)                writes...
>Vast hole?  They have the best staff in the league.  Except for his
>last two games with the Cubs, Jackson was a year and a half-long bust.
> 
>Now, _hitting_ - that's their vast wasteland, or they'd be in 1st
>place.
> 
>*Sigh*.                                     
> 
I have a question. Since I personally find it hard to believe that the Cubs 
have the best staff in the NL, has anyone checked how often the wind has been 
blowingout of Wrigley this year. I know that in Boston the weather has been 
cooler than normal this year, and I would like to know if this is also true in 
the Midwest. I do remember that cooler weather meant that it was less likely 
that the wind would blow out of Wrigley, and if this is true, this could be why 
the Cubs have a lower ERA than I would have suspected from their staff and 
their team has hit somewhat worse than I would have believed.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:33:36 GMT

In article <0095FB9D.2819BB60@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>In article <BtnowD.65t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin ) writes:

>>I don't know too much about the Toronto Blue Jays.  Can anyone tell me just
>>how good Kent and Sprague are for the Mets to give up David Cone?
>
>the mets got screwed pure and simple. the Mets have no pitcher on their roster
>or in the minors to take Cone's place. In return they receive two more shaky
>fielders. btw, this makes me wonder how healthy Guzman really is.

Trading an ace for two "shaky fielders" does not in itself make a bad deal.
I'd *kill* to be able to get the Angels this deal, trading Jim Abbott for
these two "shaky fielders":

Frank Thomas and any other "shaky fielder" in the White Sox system.

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From: jaykay@orion.oac.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: THE trade... A ranger fan's thoughts..
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:02:49 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Irvine



  There are a few things that seem to have been overlooked.

 1) Texas did this more out of financial reasons than anything else.

     Jose is cheap by about 1.5M, compared to what Sierra will cost them,
     and all indications are that Jose will be there for the next 3 yrs.

     Jose brings in at least $1M more than Sierra from gate collections.

     It frees up more money to work with.

 2) They *have* to resign Jose Guzman, who is a free agent next year. 
    Their ability to pay him is vastly improved with this trade.  In my
    view, the result is  Canseco and Guzman  for  Witt and Sierra. The
    Rangers made the right decision... No questions !

 3) The stuff about Jose being able to hit more homers at Texas was not
    a factor at all. They will be in a new park after next year, and noone
    knows how that one will turn out to be.

 4) Texas has *not* lost a whole lot of pitching. They have given up on
    Witt, as well they should. They waited for 6 years. If he still gives
    up 5-6 walks per 9 innings and doesn't feel ashamed of it, shouldn't
    have a place in any real team.  

    Texas does have a few reasonable prospects. Scott Chiamparino has just
    been called up. Hector Fajardo is another prospect. Pavlik has shown
    enough promise. Todd Burns also has pitched well at times. If they
    can keep Brown and Guzman, they are quite alright. (A few good wins
    from Ryan, if he plays, will be gravy !).

    Jeff Russell would have asked for much more than he deserves. He doesnt
    overpower too many people and gives up too many hits for a closer. His
    ERA of 2.00 is deceptive, as he has allowed a lot of inherited runners
    to score. He is not consistent. His arm may pop out (Rangers may know
    something on that, I suspect..). 

    Kenny Rogers is a better closer, if his role is defined as a closer
    (as he was 2 years back, when Russell was out.), and his adrenaline is
    pumping.

  To restate, I feel this trade frees up at least 2-3 Million dollars,
  and Texas will keep Guzman. Good deal, and they have done well.

  I admit that I was furious for the first 10 minutes after hearing of
  the deal on KMPC Los Angeles. The more I think about it, the more I
  like it. At least, I wont have to see the Rangers as dead last in the
  BB column year after year, from now on...

  That's my view, as a die-hard Rangers fan..

  Go RANGERS !!        

  Jay. 
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From: istre@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Re: Fair weather fans. (was: Reds are catching up)
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:15:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.233242.8621@seq.uncwil.edu>
cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:
 
>
>
>        As a looong time Braves fan (can you say Biff Poceroba
>        and Bruce Sutter? ) I get a little ticked at all the
>        Braves "fans" who have come out of the woodwork in the
>        last year.  I have been watching them and rooting for
>        them for the last 12 years.  Then there are people
>        (like my brother in law) who don't watch baseball
>        until the World Series and manage to get ahold of
>        tickets just so they can say they went.  I have
>        more respect for a die hard (insert loosing team
>        here) fan than I do for these people who like whoever
>        happens to be winning.
 
I say amen to that. I have kept up with the Braves due to the fact
that they play in the same division as my home team, the Astros. For
years, I have seen them play to very small crowds until the past year.
In fact, last year when the Astros played the Braves in FCS just prior
to the Braves' stretch run, they played to less than 10,000 fans. It is
amazing how fans come out of the woodwork and voice their 'support' when
this happens. Where were these Braves fans when the team was struggling?
 
I will add that the Astros are not exactly drawing fans to the Astro-
dome in droves, but that is due to the fact that fans here were ticked
at soon-to-be former owner John McMullen. But the team has been purchased
by a Texan named Drayton McLane and interest in the team has been piqued
by that and the fact that the Astros went 12-14 on the recently finished
month-long road trip during which they took two out of three from the Braves.
Yes, 12-14 is not a winning record, but it is excellent considering that
most predicted that the trip would be a death march. Since getting back
from the road trip, the Astros have gone 5-2 on this homestand.
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Organization: Clark University
Date: 1 SEP 92 20:31:12 GMT

I had thought that Randy Johnson was the ugliest active player
in baseball, but I saw the Braves/Mets game the other night, and
I have to say that Otis Nixon just might edge Randy out of the
coveted number-one slot.  There are several other worthy contenders,
of course, too many to list here.  (Juan Berenguer is one outstanding
candidate.)

Ugliest non-active player is, without a doubt, Pete Rose.
Is he even classifiable as human?

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: Trading Deadline
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:27:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.052132.19388@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh) writes:
>     How, one may ask, can a pitcher of David Cone's ability possibly clear 
>waivers? Well, the process has become heavily politicized, with GM's operating 
>under the agreement of "I won't snatch your player if you won't snatch mine."
>
>     BTW, for you Reds fans, Greg Swindell has cleared waivers. It appears 
>Cincinnati does not feel optimistic about their chances to re-sign him after 
>the season conclludes. I would look for them to trade him if their chances of 
>winning the division are diminished beyond hope.
>
>Go Reds! Go Buckeyes! Go Browns!
>David Rodabaugh                  rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>Senior, Mechanical Engineering
>The Ohio State University

Cone cleared waivers at the beginning of August.  I seems every team
places several players on revocable waivers then, and other teams
think they'll never be traded so they don't bother to claim them.
They asked Brewers GM Sal Bando about Cone; he said, "At that time
Toronto didn't look like they needed any more pitching.  Besides, if
you make a claim for a player, you risk the possibility that the club
would tell you that he's yours.  In Cone's case, that would have meant
inheriting about a third of his 1992 salary [$4.25 million US].  Our
club already is committed to paying out more dollars than we should be
and Baltimore just blew their wad for Cal Ripken Jr."

My question is, why is no one talking about Kent clearing waivers?
Don't rookies have to?   Or did he clear in the rush at the beginning
of August?  You would think Milwaukee or Baltimore would have claimed
him: he's cheap, and he's just the sort of player the Jays were likely
to trade for late season help.

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca

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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:24:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.101856.16404@dvorak.amd.com>, twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.195247.18945@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
|> >In a previous article, zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf) says:
|> >>August 11th, Boggs is hitting around .236 AT Fenway and .307 on the road.
|> >>Know something?  Boggs usually hit around .305-.310 on the road and .340-.360
|> >>at Fenway.  Usually.  Know why the change?  The 500 club addition built onto
|> >>Fenway behind home plate two seasons ago.  
|> >>
|> >
|> >   This makes no sense to me.  Why does an addition to the stadium cause Boggs
|> >to hit a hundred points lower than he used to?  Did it affect him last season?
|> 
|>    It's been demonstrated on models that the new 600 Club that was
|> added to Fenway before the 1989 season has redirected the general 
|> wind currents through the park, such that fly balls, instead of carrying
|> and falling into or over the Monster, now drop faster, resulting in more
|> catches.  Boggs loves to hit toward the wall and this no doubt has
|> been hurting him.

  Deleted other reasons for Boggs' lack of hitting.

 The real factor that Boggs doesn't hit as well as he used to is his 
 declining eyesight - which used to be 20/16 when he batted in the .350's.
 Earlier this year it was tested at 20/20.

-Ron

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Trading Deadline
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:07:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.105056.7885@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:

>On a serious note, isn't it only teams with a worse record who can claim the
>player?  Or did they change that rule?

No.  The waiver process does begin with the team with the worst record having
the first chance to claim the player, but *all* teams must sign the waiver,
in reverse order of record, in order for the player to clear the waiver.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Help! FAQ(?): Arnsberg rule
Keywords: eat more sabrmoose
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:06:18 GMT


Help me Dr. Dave...You're my only hope....

Alright, darnit, I don't care if this *IS* a FAQ...

What on God's green Earth is THE ARNSBERG RULE??

I realize that it must be named after our friend Brad, late
of the Texas Rangers...but what prey tell is it???

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From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:26:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

rcread@iastate.edu (Richard C Read) writes:

>  Babe Ruth made some early movies.

Didn't he play Babe Ruth in "Pride of the Yankees?" Yup.

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From: heartlab@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Heartlab People)
Subject: Re: O's get Lefferts
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:59:25 GMT

>The Orioles traded a minor league pitcher and somebody else for Craig
>Lefferts.

I think this deal was done by Balitmore to try and counter the move made 
by the Toronto BlueJays, obtaining David Cone. Not quite the same caliber
of the Jays deal however, as Cone is obviously superior to Lefferts.

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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Montreal-Atlanta game
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Is this right?
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:31:00 GMT

I just looked at the copy of McPaper today. I noticed that it has Montreal 
playing at Atlanta on Thursday. Is this correct? I thought that it was going to
be scheduled on Oct. 5 and played only if it affected the division races. Did I 
miss something?

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:23:55 GMT

rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:


>I see the following still in the race...comments/suggestions
>welcomed.   go flame someone else.

>National League
>---------------

>ROY
>Help again...Karros is a candidate.  There are others, but I can't
>seem to pull names right now.  Cianfrocco is fading/has faded.

>I'm interested in hearing people opine away.

	The only other name that hits me quickly is Reggie Sanders, I
	haven't seen him play much, but what I have seen has been 
	impressive.  I'd be pleased with either Karros or Sanders, 
	They are both excellent players.



	Oh, as a longshot, Delino DeSheilds.


Kit


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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:11:49 GMT

In article <0095FB9D.2819BB60@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> In article <BtnowD.65t@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin ) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >I don't know too much about the Toronto Blue Jays.  Can anyone tell me just
|> >how good Kent and Sprague are for the Mets to give up David Cone?
|> 
|> the mets got screwed pure and simple. the Mets have no pitcher on their roster
|> or in the minors to take Cone's place. In return they receive two more shaky
|> fielders. btw, this makes me wonder how healthy Guzman really is.


no no no.  Remember the Mets only had Cone for about another month, and
they are going to suck this year regardless.

It's kinda like the Sierra discussion (BTW, whatever became of that deal?)...
at least the Mets got prospects out of the deal.  Prospects beat hell out
of nothing or sammich draft picks.

With Kent, what happens to Magadan?  Doesn't look like they'll be trying
to sign him...

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From: dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:55:22 GMT
Organization: *skip* Organization: *skip* Organization: *skip* Organization:...

In article <lws.10@sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw> lws@sparc1.ee.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin) writes:
>   Boggs cannot hit anymore outside Fenway Park. I do think the Great
>Green Wall has been helping him much for his BA. In addition, Boggs
>is not an ideal leadoff hitter, although he always has good OBP. He
>is too slow to bat ahead Alomar, who may be a better candidate for
>the leadoff job.

Actually, Boggs is hitting .302 on the road and .229 at home
this year.

>   Are you sure that Boggs is a better 3rd baseman than Gruber and Kent?
>Kent is hitting well for this season, and Gruber had ever showed his power
>before entering this season. I cannot see the point to sign Boggs with a
>Ripken-like contract. He doesn't worth that much.

I agree with you here.  Boggs isn't worth a mega-contract at this stage of
his career.

Wanna see something frightening?  Pick Wade Boggs' batting line out
of these two:

  AB  R   H  2B 3B HR RBI BB  AVG  OBP
 417 48 110  19  4  7  43 60 .264 .355
 365 42  91   9  1  3  34 45 .249 .330

The first line is Boggs; the second is Manuel Lee.  Boggs is still better,
but the frightening part is that the two are even remotely comparable...
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