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From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:02:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.205818.29421@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
> Well, I'm still not a Grandmother yet but any time now.
> 
> What are the thoughts about laying a baby on its stomach or back?
> 
> Back when mine were born you were always suppose to put them on their
> stomach to keep them from having a flat head in the back.

Everyone has mentioned the fact that now babies are to be laid on their
side or back.  There is an exception in those studies and reports that
hasn't been mentioned.  IF the child has gastro-whatever problems, then she/he
should be laid on its tummy.  This is to decrease the incidence of choking
that could happen.

Because Alison had went back in the hospital 20 min after coming home
because of choking and because this wasn't the only incidence -- only the
most frightening (for us -- new parents), her doctor recommended having her
sleep either on her side or her tummy.  We kept her on her side most times
in the Moses basket, but when we had to move her out of their, she was on
her stomach.  Now, she sleeps on her back, side and tummy -- whatever feels
good.

	Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Pattern Recognizers, Memory, etc.
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:56:21 GMT


Is it so suprising that a small child can find the proverbial
needle in a haystack, when infants and toddlers have the uncanny
ability to home in on the one bit of fuzz or crumb or small toy
part that's on the floor in a secluded area of the room?

And isn't it amazing that small creatures so concerned about
preserving order (yesterday my 26-month-old went into concerned
"Uh-oh, Mama!"s over my intentionally-unbuttoned bottom cardigan
button) when they can wreak such havoc  with books and magazines
and videotapes ("Is there a carpet below this mess?")?
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: child sex predictor (vietnamese)
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:52:05 MDT
Followup-To: predict your next child's sex
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <1993Jan8.175143.26999@pts1.pts.mot.com>,
alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331) writes:
> [chart deleted]
> Try this one for accurancy!!

     Wow!  100% wrong!  Michael should have been a girl, and Sarah
should have been a boy.  The other chart (Chinese) hit 50%, labeling
both children boys.  No offense to anyone involved, but I think I'll
stick with the as-soon-as-the-doctor-sees method.
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:22:53 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <C0EJG2.4xv@SSD.intel.com>, wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
> First of all I am glad to hear there is such vaccine.  Can this vaccine
> be given to babies as part of their immunization program?  When I asked
> my daughter's pediatrician a couple of years ago, she disapproved such a
> notion and gave me an impression that such vaccine either does not exist
> or is not worth it.  I don't even know if I had chicken pox :(.

Last I heard, the vaccine had not yet been approved for general use.
It's possible that my information is out of date, though; we haven't
worried about it for the last 3 years...  Anyway, it does exist, but
was used only for people at high risk, notably children with compromised
immune systems from chemotherapy for leukemia.

One of the concerns about the vaccine is that the extent of the protection
isn't known.  Chickenpox in children is almost completely benign, but it's
between very unpleasant and quite serious in adults.  Trading a mild
illness for a serious one 30 years later is no bargain!

If you're concerned about your own immune status, ask your physician
to test for the appropriate antibodies.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Latch Key Kids - Home Alone (Was: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:58:24 GMT

Both my parents worked while my sisters and I were kids.  We had house
keepers from time to time.  But there were times in between and we were 
left at home without adults around.  That was common practice in our 
neighborhood and neighborhood kids played together all those times.  My
dad whose office was 5 minutes walking distance away would come home to 
check on us several times a day.  If we were caught playing outside
instead of doing homework or just staying in the house, we would have been
lectured.  Not much to it.  None of us were 'supposed' or 'expected' to take
care of the younger siblings. 

Now that I have my own kid, when I look back, I often wonder whether we 
were extremely 'good' kids or just lucky.  sigh, those were really happy
days...  But, that's another time and another place.  Now I get curious if
my child, a 2.5 year-old, is quiet for 2 minutes in a room alone.

Wen-lin
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pam@netcom.com (Pamela Araki)
Subject: Sink Bath to Big Bathtub - How???
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:43:17 GMT

Hi!  I need some netwisdom on how to introduce my little boy - Brandon -
to the big bathtub.  We just went through an episode tonight that
should fuel nightmares for years to come!  

Brandon is almost 8 months old and I thought it was time to
introduce him to the real bathtub.  Well, I didn't think it
would be a problem so I filled it a few inches up with warm
water and told my husband to get in and give Brandon a bath.
Well, Brandon started screaming (and I mean SCREAMING) as
soon as Brian (my husband) took him.  So, I took Brandon back
and thought that well, maybe I should do it cause he calmed
down a bit with me.  Well, after he peed all over me I 
decided I needed a bath anyway and I got in with him.  He
still screamed.  Well, then I decided I should probably get
his bathtub that I put in the sink and put it in the tub,
but he was still terrified.  I think maybe I blew it by
introducing the bathtub so suddenly without warming up with
his little bathtub in the big bathtub first.  He's seen
Brian taking baths lots of times so I didn't think it would
be a big shock to him.  I thought wrong!

Anyway, is it just too soon to do this?  Is there a magic
trick to doing this?  I actually do need to "wean" him to
the big bathtub fairly soon cause we are going on vacation
to Hawaii next month and in the hotel room there won't be
a big kitchen sink ... but, we are only going for a few
days (5) so, I guess he could go without a bath for 5 days -
Eeeeeeewwww, yuck!

Anyway, any help would be *very* appreciated!

Thanks!

-pam
(408) 395-6905, pam@netcom.com



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From: ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: breech position at 34 weeks - time to worry?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:29:56 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

My OB checkup yesterday confirmed what I had suspected - my baby is
still in a head-up position (I'm a little over 34 weeks pregnant).
I've been looking through the books I have, but I can't find any 
information on the odds of the baby turning over this late in the
pregnancy.  Does anybody have any idea how likely the baby is to
turn over?  Stories about babies turning over late in pregnancy?
 
I remember from my last pregnancy that there are some exercises you
can do to encourage the baby to turn over - something like lay on your
back with your knees elevated for 10 minutes a couple of times a day??
Does anybody remember what to do?  
 
If the baby hasn't flipped over in a few weeks, the medical group will
attempt external version.  Has anybody had this done?  Does it hurt? :-(
Did it work?
 
To top it all off, one of my coworkers that's been on maternity leave for
a year and a half started back to work this morning and informed me that 
she had a C-section for her latest baby (her third) since it was breech -
her water broke an hour *before* they were scheduled to try to turn the 
baby.  Just what I needed to hear.
 
Thanks for any help
 
ann
 
ann@alumni.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Readjusting to Daycare
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:57:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1993Jan7.201910.6858@kodak.kodak.com> Nanette Salvaggio
> writes:
>
>
>I need help again,
>
>My son spent 11 days with me and my husband over the holidays.(ie. he
>did not have to go to daycare).  He became very accustomed to us.  He
>loves his daycare provider and her kids but he is not readjusting very
>well.  Pre-holidays he was his normal 14 month old self, running
>everywhere, into everything, laughing at anything.  Now if my provider
>did put him in the play room and left him he would spend the entire day
>there and never leave the room.  Mind you that this is a child who is
>addicted to taking everything out of every cabinet he can reach, and my
>provider has three that the children are allowed to play in.  When she
>is playing with the kids (she has 2 of her own and mine) he will stand
>off and watch but will not join in.  If she is tickling someone, Philip
>will laugh but the minute she tries to tickle him he cries.  Leaving
>him in the morning has gotten harder. I now literaly have to peel him
>off of me to leave.  I have tried staying for awhile to let him get
>used to the place, but that does not seem to help ( it is not possible
>for my husband to drop him off).  The provider tells me he stops
>screaming within minutes of the time I leave, but he just is not his
>normal happy go lucky don't tie me down little guy he normally is
>there.  At home he is great with us.  I am at a loss of what to do.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Nanette 
>salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
 
Hi Nanette.
 
We've noticed this somewhat with Melissa since Monday.  She usually
doesn't fuss when we leave her at "school" (she's 20 mos.) - and we
drop her off together since we also work together.  We have been
trying to make going to school in the morning more fun by telling her in
an enthusiastic voice "let's go to school!", "do you know where we're
going?... school!", etc.  I'm hoping it'll just take a short time for
her to adjust back to the working schedule.  I would not linger at the
caregiver's home though, if I were you.  We have noticed that the
children where Melissa is, whose parents linger when the children fuss,
seem to have the hardest time saying their morning goodbyes.  We put
Melissa down, put her coat, whatever away, and ask for our kisses.
(We use the afternoon pick up time to catch up with her teachers and
find out what's happening in her days - usually while she's waving
goodbye and saying "bye bye", getting louder and louder!!!)
Sometimes (usually) we get them, and sometimes we don't, but either way
we say our goodbyes and leave for work.  She stops crying almost as soon
as we walk out (we've spied).  Short and sweet.  Another friend told me
today that her daughters haven't quite settled back into their routine
yet.  2 weeks is a long time in their short lives, so it may take a week
to settle down again.  Good luck!
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:47:10 GMT


Since this story got nationwide (and probably worldwide) coverage,
does anyone have any thoughts about what defense a couple could
come up with for leaving their 9 and 4 year-old at home without
supervision while they vacationed out of the country?

It is getting so much coverage from the media (especially right here
in the area) that every stone they upturn makes the front page.

I haven't seen the item discussed here yet, and as the mother of a latch-key
child and I'm curious about what other parent's reactions to the Schoo
"Home Alone" incident are.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:11:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <1993Jan7.163809.12387@verity.com> Mike Krupit writes:
>
>As a practicing Conservative Jew and father of a 7 week old son,
>I have been silently following the misc.kid's circumcision debate.
>
>I'll keep my two cents out of this, but did want to let you know
>that I found your opening remark quite anti-Semitic and I'm sure
>that lots of Jews who read it will be offended as well.  I beleive
>that you owe an apology (or an explanation) to the world.
>
>>  Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
>> Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
>> in their January issue in an article authored by two women,Kathrine
>> Karlsrud,MD and Dodi Shultz.
>  (stuff deleted)
>> --
>>            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
>
>BTW, I didn't think that the Parent's article was very good and I
>did disagree with many of their secular points.
 
I am not Jewish, and I did not read the article in Parents magazine.
However, I thought Gary's remark was out of line and agree that he
should explain himself and apologize.  It was offensive.
 
"Ignorance and prejudice and fear go hand in hand."  Rush
 
TAMARA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: Re: Childproofing (NOT!)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:45:51 GMT

In article <glen.726360791@cs.wisc.edu>, glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
> In case anyone is unaware of them, you can get doorknob covers which make it
> hard for a one-year-old to open most doors.  They don't impede as well if
> the doorknob is not smooth.  They don't impede adults much.  I think Toys R Us
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> has them.

I almost agree - we use these too.  They stop Billy, slow us a little, but
they drive my MIL crazy! :-)

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [31 months])
	ssa@usl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fertility and frequency
From: kerry@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:03:59 GMT
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ
Keywords: Sperm

In article <srheault.726691339@cunews> srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara) writes:
>My wife and I have been trying for some months now to start a family,
>and we have been at the receiving end of a barrage of advice from
>friends. The one point that no-one can agree on is how long we should
>be waiting between attempts during her fertile days.
>To put a fine point on it, how long does it take for sperm to build up
>after they are released? Should we wait 24 hours? 48 hours? Are there
>enough sperm to try again the same day?
>
>Steven Rheault Kihara
>A man hoping the latter is the correct answer


As I understand it, there is no need to wait a prosribed length of time...sperm are "on-line" pretty much all the time.....
 
Go as the mood takes you! :-) :-)
From: statar@ihlpb.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Vacations with kids
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:11:01 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I have 2 daughters who will turn 1 and 3 this spring.
I am looking for vacation ideas for next summer.  We
usually vacation with extended family (my parents,
my brother and his family) and usually go somewhere
where there's a beach, St. Petersburg, FL, or last
year we went to a small lake in Michigan.  We live
in Illinois and drive to wherever our vacation is.
We would like to stay in a condo so we can have a
kitchen and laundry facilities.  Where have any of
you been that is good for families with small children?
We have about 9 days available (1 week plus 2 weekends).

Sherry

s.tatar@att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:52:49 GMT

In article <41975@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:
>
>I was impressed by the answer on dealing with Christmas trees and food
>throwing.  So here's a hypothetical question -- what should you do if
>are taking a shower and the toddler insists on wandering away, out of
>sight?  Do you have to give in and take the shower when another parent
>is there (then what if you're single?) or is there a way of
>enforcing/ensuring that they stay in view?  

Well, I was single for 2.5 years, and most of the time I waited until 
Jeffrey was asleep before I showered. I got used to it, but I did miss
my morning showers. There were a few times I was able to enlist his
cooperation, and he played in his room while I showered. I think I 
promised we would do something fun after I got out. This worked out well,
since his bedroom door was oposite the bathroom door, so I could keep an
eye on him. He once did wander off, and I hopped out of the shower, dripped
water all over the carpet, hauled him abck in the room, and yelled at him
(I only try to yell when I want to make a point), then I explained (again)
that he needs to be where I can see him, cause if he hurt himself somewhere
else in the house, I wouldnt be able to hear him, and comfort him. He didnt
try it again. I find that Jeffrey will mind better if he is fully aware of the
reasons.

Now I am married, I do it in the morning, while my husband is around. We live
in a different house now, and there would be no good place for him to play
while I shower.

Laura Floom
From: hide@unl.edu (harry ide)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say (21 months)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:16:38 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

When Andrew wants attention from Carol, he'll often ask to nurse. 
Friday, he walked into a room, saw Carol, and we had this conversaion:

Andrew: `I want Mommy milk.'
Me: `Why do you want mommy milk?'
Andrew: [thought for a few seconds, and then said:] `Cause Mommy's
writing something.'

Moments of candor!

--
Harry A. Ide                      |  `It's better to play dice with  
(Dad to Andrew, born 4.iv.1991)   |  children than to play politics 
                                  |  with you.' (Heraclitus)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re:  Sad stay at home mom
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:38:28 GMT

Sorry, email bounced.

Sharon, 
If you are crying a lot, it sounds like post-partum depression,
which can start anytime within a year after the baby's birth.
Post-partum depression can be serious, so please see a doctor.

I've had two kids, and took a year-long leave after #2, so
I know about the boredom of staying at home.  But both
my babies were demanding types that didn't sleep all
that much, so I didn't get much done around the house.

And 3.5 months IS a fairly dull age, if you have a sleepy
or passive baby.   But a couple of months from now the baby
will be a lot more active and a lot more interested in
looking around, and more interesting to be around.

There gets to be viciuos cycle with boredom -- one gets so bored,
one loses energy to do more stimulating activities.  Which
increases the boredom, which decreases the energy -- and depression
is closely linked to this pattern.

It takes extra effort to fix you and the baby up and get out
of the house and visit, but it sure sounds like you are going stir-crazy.
If you have a church, try to get more active.  There's also a
chapter of FEMALE (formerly employed mothers on the leading edge)
that meets in Lombard at COD -- that's a good place to meet
new friends.  Or teh La Leche league, if you nurse and plan to 
keep nursing for at least a year.  Or hang out at the Library,
join the Y (they have
babysitting), and go out for walks whenever its not blustery
and the walks are passable.  And when you see other mothers
with a single infant looking a bit aimless, take a chance that
they're feeling as shell-shocked about the lifestyle change
as you are.   Make an extra effort to socialize.

Keep in mind that these next few months may be your only 
opportunity in years to come to read some novels, organize
photos, do some crafts, sew, bake, write letters, or play 
with your home computer. 

If all the well-meaning advice you receive ends up making
you feel even more tired and depressed, take it as a serious sign
that you should see a psychiatrist (because they are medical
doctors and can prescibe antidepresents -- post-partum 
depression usually has a biological component)

Good luck!

-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
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From: jeannee@novell.com (Jeanne Eige)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: toilet training FAQ
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:52:41 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.


Please send me the toilet training FAQ also, and preferably before the 15th
because I will lose my net access then.  So, I guess as a confirmed lurker
until now, this is my official HI and BYE - I've loved reading this group!

Jeanne Eige

jeannee@novell.com

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