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From: gordonb@mot.com (Gordon Berkley)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Reply-To: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:43:56 GMT

Jennifer,

	1)	Stop Worrying.
	2)	See #1.

I have Blood type A+, and my wife has B-.  We have 4 very healthy (thank god)
kids, with both RH+ and RH- blood types, and have not had any problems resulting
from the type mis-match.

In article <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>, you write:
|> [...] The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
|> is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
|> and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
|> developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
|> any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
|> against the child being in my womb.

First off, this only happens if the baby is RH+, and can only affect
the 2nd (and onward)kid.   BUT(!) this almost never happens now-a-days,
because there is a very simple cure:  immediately after the birth (actually,
within the next day or so) *IF* the baby is RF+, then the mother is given 
a gamma globulin shot.  A second shot is given some set time (6 weeks?) later.
End of antibodies.  End of story.  *END OF PROBLEM!!*

|> Is there a possibility that I have these antibodies already, from when
|> I was born?

Nope!  The antibodies are a reaction within the mothers system, to blood spilling over from the kid.  The placenta screens out any problem from the kid.

|> Help!  This really ruins my day.

RELAX!  (My M-I-L tells us of stories (she had the same problem with tmy F-I-L)
of how at the time the cure was to eat oranges.  (WHy? I don't know.)  *LOTS*
of oranges.  To this day she cant look at an orange without getting sick.

|> PS.  I'll try checking the two newsgroups for replies this week, but
|>      if you'd also send me a copy, I'll love you to death.

I hope you don't mind if I post this as well.

Best regards,
gordon
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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:42:57 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <153slqINNj44@early-bird.think.com> soberg@think.com (Stephanie Oberg) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.141259.28406@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
->
->Actually, urine is sterile.  One tip I got for treating emergency cuts
->during camping trips in the wild is to clean them with urine.  
-
-     I've heard the claim of sterile urine before and don't see how this 
-     could be true.  A person with a urinary tract infection by definition
-     does not have sterile urine.  Schistosomiasis (a parasite) can be
-     transmitted through urine.  Perhaps the urine of a completely healthy
-     person (with no asymptomatic infection) is sterile in the bladder -
-     but how can it avoid being contaminated as it exits the bladder? 

The statement should be qualified -- urine from a normally healthy individual
is sterile.  A person with a urinary tract, bladder, or kidney infection is
not, be definition, healthy.  Ditto for carrying Schistosomiasis.

The common test for a bladder infection is to look at a urine sample under a
microscope.  If there are things wiggling around, you have an infection.

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.
    D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
From: fowler@esmlsun.gatech.edu (c. b. fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:05:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <1992Jul27.195847.14590@cs.brown.edu> mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine) writes:

>In article <111819@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV) writes:
>>I've always wondered why a great deal of Christians who are so fond 
>>of quoting "Honor your father and mother" and "spare the rod, spoil
>>the child" ...

>Umm, this may be nitpicking, but "spare the rod, spoil the child"
>is *not* a quote from the bible.

It's actually better than that:

	"He who spares the rod hates his son,
     	    but he who loves him is careful to
               discipline him."  - Pr 13:24

Elsewhere in Proverbs, "the rod" is used to "drive out folly" (22:15), "not
follow a path of destruction" (19:18, 23:13-14), "imparts wisdom" (29:15),
and promotes a healthy and happy family (29:17)

It's not so important that the verbatim bumperstickerisms be found in the
Bible, but I do find the Bible NEVER fails me in providing the guidance
needed in fulfilling my roles of husband and father.  

>>almost never quote "provoke not your children to wrath."

There are always plentiful "wrathful children" around to do this :-).  

Taken out of context, one can find biblical support for almost any 
behavior.  Knowing and understanding the context can be a challenge. 
Whenever this arises, seek advice from those more knowledgeable.  You can
even ask Him directly.

>I find this frustrating as well.

Absolutely.

>-- Misty

c. b. fowler  gtri/esml
fowler@esmlsun.gatech.edu -\
cf6@prism.gatech.edu        |-- Pick one
CFOWLER@GTRI01            -/
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:27:45 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1150037@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> cola@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ken Colasuonno) writes:
>
>From what my wife says, I can second this.  She had Stadol for our
>first.  "Take the edge off" is a bunch of BS.  She claimed there was
>almost no difference between labor pain BeforeStadol and AfterStadol.  For
>the twins she got an epidural and man was that nice.  Yes, you have to
>be hooked up to an IV and monitor blood pressure continuously.  But
>the labor was almost fun after that!  Joking around, talking, getting
>a nap in, no biting heads off of husbands....
>

Just to let people know that epidurals do not necessarily lead to "fun"
labour.  With my first labour, the epidural worked for about 45 minutes, then
became "unseated".  The anesthesiologist (sp?) didn't clue in to this
(and with a placebo effect, neither did I for a while).  I got more
anesthetic added twice more before we figured it out (i.e. it wasn't
working).  Then, I couldn't get anymore because there were all these
drugs running around anesthetizing my liver or some other crucial
body part.  It slowed my labour down and I ended up on pitocin with
no pain medication.  Still, the 45 minutes break did help.

WIth my second labour, I requested an epidural again, although I had
planned to try to do without.  It took two hours from the time of my
request to get it, and it was a big relief when it finally came.
However, the drug level must have been pretty low or my contractions
pretty painful because although the first 45 minutes were fairly pain
free, I found that I had to use my Lamaze breathing through the rest 
of my labour (4 more hours) in spite of being redosed twice.  The pain
was not unbearable, certainly greatly muted from before the epidural,
but still required concentration and a coach to manage.  I suspect that
it was a combination of back labour and exhaustion.  I was glad I
had the epidural, but I didn't get the level of relief that I have
heard others mention.  Actually, I was kind of glad - I still could
feel the labour and use my Lamaze breathing without being pushed to
the edge like the first time.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: dudding@sallyride.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: birth announcement (very late)
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:07:03 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <1992Jul29.124120.13743@pdn.paradyne.com>, ambrose@paradyne.com (Steve Ambrose) writes:
|> In article <9207281405.AA01296@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
|> > ...
|> >That said I'd like to belatedly
|> >announce the birth of my daughter:
|> >
|> >		Elizabeth Rachel "Libby" Linden-Chirlian
|> 
|> If your daughter get married to a guy named, say Joe Smith, will her daughters
|> name be "<first-name> <middle-name> Smith-Linden-Chirlian"? ...

Steve,

I found your posting offensive.  Lisa did not ask for advise re. her child's
name, she was trying to share the joy of her daughter's birth with misc.kids.  
Instead she got your opinion on how she should have run her life.

I quote from misc-kids-FAQ 6/25/92:

o  Please refrain from name-calling, tantrums or other hysterics--
   we get enough of that from our children :-)
-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family Values?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 17:35:55 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Distribution: misc.kids
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <BrsJF4.7r8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
|> Well, think about it.  Hillary is saying that the 12-year old child
|> capable of making such a decision is basically an adult. 

No, she wasn't. She was saying the child is old enough to ask a court for 
help. Big difference there. I hate the way people with political agendas 
twist the words of others to make them seem like monsters. It's just another 
form of lying.

|> These biological ties are being destroyed even as we speak, however.
|> We can look at the popularity of in-vitro fertilization with anonymous
|> donor sperm, surrogate motherhood, donated eggs, donated uteruses -
|> everything that makes the biological tie binding is being trivialized
|> and blown away by the twin tornadoes of technology and social mores.

So family ties would be strengthened by denying these new reproductive 
technologies to the infertile, so that they can't have children of their 
own? Shaky logic.

|> I don't know what you people think about this, but *I* think the world
|> is becoming a very lonely place.

The world is becoming lonely, you think, because biological ties are no 
longer cast in stone. Does this mean that nobody would live with you if 
they were not forced to by law? That's what it sounds like. Pitiful.

Why is it that people say that "family values" require limiting the choices 
of others? "Family values" is generally a code for "don't support daycare, 
it would make life easier for working women" and "don't allow women to make 
their own reproductive choices."

I think that "family values" demand that every child be given good medical 
care and a good education, regardless of what resources the parents have. I 
think that "family values" should strengthen the families that exist now, 
rather than only families of the officially approved types. Why is this 
so unpopular a viewpoint? Don't Americans care about families?

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: romal@sco.COM (Roma Levvy)
Subject: Toddler crying at night
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:44:26 GMT



Hi Linda,

I tried to mail to you directly, but it bounced -- sorry!

Well, maybe she's having bad dreams or is afraid of the dark.
Have you tried a night light?  David always sleeps with his
night light, but a couple of months ago (at about 30 mos.)
he started waking up and crying or started crying as soon as
we turned out the light.  So, one night I stayed in his room
to comfort him and noticed that there were some pretty scarey
looking shadows on the wall, and one in particular right over
his bed.  I asked him if he was afraid of the shadows, and he
said yes.

So, my husband and I held him while we turned the lights off
and on and showed him what each shadow came from.  We took turns
making shadow animals on the wall and showed him that you could
touch a shadow and that it was just the wall.  After 2 nights of
this, David got brave enough to touch the shadows, then had a great
time turning the light off and on and making the shadows disappear.
I also got him some books from the library about shadows -- some good
ones are "I have a friend" and "There's a Nightmare in my closet."
We read these to him each night, too.  After 3 or 4 days the night 
time wakings disappeared.

There were some nights that he would wake up from scary dreams.
We explained to him each time that they couldn't hurt him, then
we'd yell "Go away scarey dreams -- we don't like you," and told
him that we saw them all running down the hall because they were
also afraid of us.  We taught him to yell this himself whenever
he had a scarey dream.  He does, and now we never hear from him
at night.


Good Luck!

Roma
From: salisbur@chilliwack.cs.washington.edu (Mike Salisbury)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lefthanded Items
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:25:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Department of CS&E

In article <16832C79C.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
|> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
|> All of you people with lefties - let them learn to write properly!!!  Find
|> out how to teach them.  Don't make them learn as if they were right handed!!!
|> I cringe every time I see a lefty doing contortions in order to write.  It just
|> is not necessary.


I agree completely with Teresa on this point.  I am lefthanded as well and was 
originally taught incorrectly.  It bothers me to see such a high percentage of
left-handers who write basically upside-down with their hand wrapped all the way
around the top of the point of the pencil and over to the right in order to be
able to drag the pencil properly.  It just seems so inefficient.  It's like 
forcing somebody to ride a bicycle with their hands on the wrong handlebars.

I stopped writing that way in about the fourth grade when I found I could write
much more legibly with my hand below the printing.  Unfortunately, as soon as I
retaught myself how to write, my speed increased and I now write as illegibly as
ever, but I attribute that more to laziness than poor form.  

In any case, the two things I feel most strongly about being left-handed are:
   
-- Write from underneath the letters just like righties
-- Learn to use right-handed scissors

Everything else is relatively unimportant, I believe.

-- Mike Salisbury
salisbur@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:42:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.184517.23401@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
>I'm sure looking forward to the tantrum in the busy store scene. 8-(
>
>I think I'll try to ignore it and withstand the onlookers stares.
>
>Is there a better way?

Tantrums in stores are usually caused by boredom and fatigue (at least
with my kids).  In a store, I will explain to my child that the shopping
we are doing *has* to get done, or we don't eat / we don't have anything
to wear/ whatever.  The tantrum is just making the trip longer.  Besides,
he looks silly flopping around on the floor.  Then I walk away.  Timmy never
lets me get out of sight before finishing his tantrum and coming along.

>I've heard that removing the child from the store gives the child
>too much control. ie. they can MAKE you leave the store when THEY want.

Removal works in situations where they have found new, interesting games
to play in the store (like hide from mommy behind all these clothes and
wait until she panics), and are not listening to your guidance on why
such a game is not appropriate.  Also when they are shopping for things they
want (like in the toy store), and throw a fit because you won't buy them
something they have just decided is indispensible to their life, like
this lovely huge Tonka bulldozer.  Then, you put away everything that
you have gotten thus far (usually including other things they want) and
leave.  Doing this exactly once cured my son completely from the "I want
this / I have to have that" toy store whine syndrome.  But the tantrum
he threw the time I just put everything away was really a sight.

On a related note, Anna seems to be learning what we expect of her from
the way we deal with Timmy.  She seems to be consciously trying to do
things that Timmy does and we respond positively to (like setting the
table, and coming when we call him), and also to be consciously avoiding
things that we respond negatively to (like throwing his toys).  Has
anyone else noted this in their children?  Anna is almost 20 months, and
I am still waiting for signs of the assertive twos ... we had had them
long since when Timmy was 20 months.  And Anna's personality seems fairly
strong -- she is *not* a doormat.  

-- Misty
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ishizaki@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Audrey Ishizaki)
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:26:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


re: hyphenated last names

my last name is Ishizaki (I'm of japanese descent).  My husband's last
name is Brown (he's european-mongrel-descent).  Since our child is biracial,
we decided to hyphenate his name: his full name is Dale Koichi Ishizaki-Brown.
Two reasons for hyphenation is that 1) his last name celebrates both families'
heritage and 2) it's easier for doctors, school officials, etc, to understand
why a Mr. Brown or a Ms. Ishizaki would be responsible for young Ishizaki-
Brown.  And, while we all have different last names, they're interconnected
thru our son.

Of course, our son may make a decision to drop or change his name.  And
when/if he marries, he and his spouse can make their own decision on their
names.

audrey ishizaki
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:06:40 GMT

In article <92206.094459CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <18598@drutx.ATT.COM>, seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian) says:
>>
>>In my childbirth class this week we discussed drugs. The instructor gave
>>some statistics for the use of drugs at the hospital where I will deliver.
>>She said that about 50% of all women get some sort of drug. About 25%
>>get an epidural. She didn't know how women who get both are figured
>>in. This is only for vaginal births, not c-sections (where epidurals are
>>the norm). She said that in Denver the rate of epidurals was 90%!!! That
>>seems outlandish, but since some hospitals/doctors push them, I guess I
>>can't be too surprised.
>>
>
>My sister in law just had a baby in Denver, but I don't recall the
>hospital.  She gave me the same statistic about epidurals, I was shocked!
>In fact, her doctor, during one of the later prenatal visits said
>something like, "when you get to 5 cm we give an epidural" --like it
>was just standard practice.  She had an epidural, and wanted one, so it
>didn't bother her, but I was really surprised at the attitude.
>
>Chris Himes

  Easy, don't go to the hospital until you're more than 5 cm.
  That way they won't give you an epidural.  I can't imagine
  having a tube stuck in my back.  Ow!  Since my doctor (Ms.
  Demoral) didn't show up, I escaped that also.  I can't
  imagine an iv sticking in my arm either.  Labor is a
  very physical athletic event.  I found the fetal monitor
  too constricting.  I wish the doctors wouldn't go around
  sticking needles and tubes into everyone.  How can you
  push with all that gear hampering you?

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:50:16 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <13638@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula 
Burch) writes:
> Laura's point that you shouldn't refuse the new technology unless you 
> have access to the old technology is excellent, I think. Refusing 
> intermittant monitoring is fine if you're being checked with a fetoscope--
> idiotic if not. It would be much better to stay home and be checked by 
> a midwife with a fetoscope than go to the hospital and refuse to let 
> them do it in the only way they now know how, I think. (Obviously this 
> has nothing to do with Mikki's points that I'm following up on.)

From my limited experience, I think that Paula is absolutely right.  You 
really should have a check on how the baby is doing with the contractions. 
Nobody can be sure how the baby, or the mom, is going to react to labor.  

Maybe you can compromise with 10 minutes or so of electronic monitoring every 
half hour if you go to the hospital...

I don't know about the rest of you moms, but I had enough trouble staying in 
one place for the midwife to check with the fetoscope.  I can't imagine being 
in bed for the duration.  On my side, or otherwise!

I still think that the greatest boon to laboring women is the invention of 
the Welch's Grape Popsicle :-)
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:36:06 GMT
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC

In article 19717@optima.cs.arizona.edu, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>sue@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Sue McPherson) writes:
>>I think this is the important point. Mom gets what mom wants. But, some of
>>the stories I've heard seem to indicate that doctors/nurses are "pushing"
>>certain medications (such as epidurals).
>
>When I checked into the hospital to be induced, an anesthesiologist
>came to talk to me about epidurals.  Since I arrived just before shift
>change, I got visited twice, actually.  Both of them really stessed
>how they could "take the pain away", and make me "comfortable".

Actually, for those of you who are considering pain medication for your
delivery (as I was for mine, pain comes easy and hard to me in other
circumstances so I wanted to be prepared), be sure that you talk to your
doctor and the labor nurses to be sure you will get it in a *timely*
manner.  It took almost 2 hours for me to get an epidural after I decided
that this was not going to happen fast enough and I needed some relief.
First my husband had to get the nurses to do their thing which turned
out to be to call the doctor.  He was at dinner and came in about an
hour later to check me out.  Then it took another hour for the 
anesthesiologist to get to me and get it started.  That was a *very*
unpleasant 2 hours because I was expecting relief within a half hour
and had to hang in there for another 1.5 hours.  I never felt the
epidural go in.  The only problem I had was that contractions were about
1 minute spaced (and only 4 cm dialated) and he wanted me to "curl up
in a ball"...HAH!  They finally got it in by catching me between contractions
and my husband and nurse holding me in the curled position.  With a
little pitosin my son was born happy and healthy about 4 hours later.
(BTW, this all happened around 6-8pm so I may have just caught them
when they were all out.  But it is something folks should be aware of
and plan around, if they can.)

Just something to think about.  Probably the worst part was expecting
some relief (I was planning to go as far as I could until it became
unbearable on the slight chance that I could do this without medication)
and then not getting it for 2 hours.

---
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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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