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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:07:18 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: National Identity

Deborah,

You mention that in some of these other countries, including
Greece and India and UK, American TV programs are broadcasted...and
you ask why the programs from Greece or India are not broadcast here..

First, I don't think India broadcasts any programs from Greece either
or vice versa....  American TV programs are popular....

Second, its the nature of TV.  On PBS, one occassionally sees programs
on Greece or India or Africa...  All the other TV's will show programs
that appeal to a variety of people....Nielsen Numbers....  If any of
the programs on PBS (of other countries) draws a larger audience than
the networks, the networks will find the other countries...

America is popular all over the world....(TV, magazines, music)...so the
world watches America.... Its unrealistic to expect America to present
countries that are not in the news.....  We learned a lot about Barcelona
and Spain during the Olympics...

Zahir
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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Somalia/Bosnia
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 05:19:49 GMT


In a previous article, CCJN@EMUVM1.BITNET (Joyce Neu) says:

>  Talking about Somalia/Bosnia with a colleague today, we agreed that
>perhaps one reason for more US/UN (controlled largely by white western
>countries) involvement in Bosnia was that pictures of starving white
>people behind barbed wire brings back memories of WWII concentration
Now that you mention it, that's probably true.  My mother lost a bunch of
aunts, uncles, and cousins to the Nazis, some of them killed in work camps.
My next door neighbors lost most of their families to one concentration camp
or another.  Fifty years later, they still don't know what happened to some
of them.  If I remember right, over 11 million people were killed in those
camps, so it's no wonder the Bosnia pictures strike a chord in the memories
of the survivors.
>camps while pictures of starving black people with flies on the
>eyes of the babies reminds us of other pictures of starving black
>people (Ethiopia, for example) but does not have any visceral
It just sounds like Ethiopia all over again.  That's been in the news,
sort of, since the early 80s.  These days people just tune it out.
["Not that again!  Let's see what Vanna's turning tonight" switches channel]

>friends, etc.  It is also very true that there are far more Yugoslavian
>Americans than there are Somali Americans if only because most African
>Americans cannot know which country their families were originally from.
That's not necessarily true.  If I remember right, and knowing my memory
a grain of salt should be used, most slaves taken in Africa were from the
Atlantic side, in the area of Nigeria, Cote D'Ivoire, Ghana, et al.  
Somalia is on the other side of the continent.  

Some Americans do know Geography.:-/  

Ruth
ps - Hi Joyce!

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From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Voting

Yep, Zahir, you are confused...

/EMmy
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Date: 12 Aug 92 18:23:41 GMT
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While I indicated that there is pressure, its a gross misstatement to
indicate, as your aunt did, that "many commit suicide" because of
pressure from parents on children....

A lot of Asian parents want their children to get into such fields as
Engineering, Business, Medicine, Computer Science and so on... and are
willing to go to great lengths to ensure that they get into the right
schools .... and, in effect, provide both tremendous support ....
There is proof in the economic and academic successes of Asians,
particularly in America.  There may be suicides, on occassion, but
they will point out that there is less of a whole lot of other problems
including drug use, teenage pregnancies, high school drop outs and
so on....

I don't want to make judgements on which culture provides better child
rearing practices.........  Eastern culture is basically a low risk
culture...the chances of the child of a middle class or a wealthy parent
becoming economically destitute or homeless is extremely low, but so is the
chances of that kid becoming a great athlete or a creative genius....

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:50:47 -0700
From:         MGARBER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: National Identity
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I believe that America is also one place where one can keep returning to school
 and changing careers if one wishes. Means you can live many lives in this era
 of living for a very long time. Marilyn
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:22:03 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Americans

Deborah,

I don't think your roommate is typically Indian..... I think she is like many
Indian females (I have worked with similiar situations with women from
Iran, Pakistan and malaysia) who may come to the U.S..... and to some degree
their education and personal value system makes them rebel against the
stricter expectations of women (in some parts of India) to get into an
arranged marriage, have children, deal with in-laws (when you marry an Indian
male, you marry his family) and so on....  Many become highly educated
women or workaholics.....  WHILE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THEIR
CULTURE AND THEIR FAMILY'S EXPECTATIONS, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SKILLS, THE
COURAGE, THE INDEPENDENCE, THE DECISIONMAKING ABILITY AND THE INSTINCTS TO
LEARN TO DATE AND COME INTO THE SINGLES SCENE IN THE U.S.

I personally have two indian friends in Sacramento and Michigan, who took
the same course as your roommate and now in their early thirties are
finally willing to consider marriage proposals.....

Please remember that "Stability" has its advantages and has served many
cultures very well.....By any standards, cultures where stability is a
strong goal and defined by marriage, steady job and children, where decisions
are often made by consensus (generally of family), crime rates, drug use
and single parent families are far fewer.

Zahir
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:56:20 EST
From:         Deborah Martin <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Typically Indian

 Zahir,
      Perhaps I misunderstood your descriptions of typical Indians or perhaps
 I didn't describe my roommate well enough.  Everything that Gerry does is or
 has done is for the family.  Her mother chose her major, she wanted something
 else.  Her schooling she says is very important in her area.  The more
 desireable you are for marriage.  She is a little bit of a rebel though in
 that she now refuses to have an arranged marriage as such.  Whatever
 proposals she receives, she wants the opportunity to meet the guy and get to
 know him.  She wants to marry for love.  She was in love before in India
 but they broke off because his family was making other arrangements.  (Note:
 this lost love has divorced and remarried.)  Anyway she vows that she will
 not end up with a standard arranged marriage.  She does go out with male
 friends to movies and such but she has not seriously dated anyone.  I don't
 believe she would consider a non-Indian though.

 Deborah
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:24:06 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Typically Indian

Deborah,

I agree your roommate is an Indian who has rebelled.....kind of like
a horse brought to the well, does not wish to drink the water but
does not dare break away and run away....

This happens a lot....what you say...and is quite common in a number'
of countries.... the women come here, follow most things their parents
say...which is either get married or continue education....they do not
want to marry so they continue education...

In the end they give in....fairly late...because many are uncomfortable
in "alone" situations with men...and do not have dating skills or coping
with rejections...that American women have....

Some end up marrying a persistant friend.....

Basically, they know what they do not want.....a stranger, in-laws,
pressure to get pregnant, domination.... they have a taste of freedom here,
tastes good initially but its too hard to overcome the issues of pre-
marital sex and /or making out or even the expected goodnight kisses
that are part of the dating process that American women learn early....

Unfortunately there are not enough of them around to form the support
group, encouragement and support necessary to break out of the strong
cultural hold on them...

zahir
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From: gubin@spectr.slavutich.kiev.ua (U. E. Gubin)
Subject: Help! Interface with drivers (BNU,MNP) 
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 10:21:55 +0300

We are needed to explanation interface with drivers of COM-port
(BNU,MNP,shared INT 14h)
Possible standard - FOSSIL
Thanks to the hint which explain when we can seek it

EMAIL: gubin@spectr.slavutich.kiev.ua


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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:08:09 EDT
From:         "Richard A Nelson (Rick)" <cowboy@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      VSfortran 2.5 and GCS
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As I recall, GCS sets CVTDCB (system type) to all zeros (neither
VM nor MVS).  VSfortran will assume that it is running on an
MVS/SP1 platform because the XA bit is off - hence the SPIE usage.

What VTAM version are you running?  I thought current versions
allowed MACHINE=XA(or ESA) for GCS.

Hopefully GCS, when in XA mode will set CVTDCB accordingly allowing
fortran to use ESPIE.

All that being said, I don't see anything different in this area
betwixt VSF 2.4.0 and VSF 2.5.0  (init & (E)SPIE,(E)STAE)

Did you run 2.4.0 with the NOSPIE option?
If yes, then if you can get the module name (and offset if possible)
issuing the SVC 14, I can check to see what happened...

If no, I'm befuddled, but again, the module name may provide some help.

Rick
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From:         Doug Bell
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Subject:      Closing files in CMS
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Hi,
Files opened as new may/will not exist after failure on CMS.
Files closed are not actually closed until epilogue processing.
For checkpoint purposes, pre-allocate a DA file. This gets you 1) existing
file, 2) unblocked i/o (minimum buffer flush loss), and 3) observable post
process records pretty much no matter what (soft) fail happens.
Doug Bell

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*I wonder if anyone can offer me advice on a problem we have observed
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*
*A long-running user program opens a dataset to write and writes slowly
*throughout the job. At regular intervals throughout the job the user
*writes re-start files to enable him to continue should the job fail.
*The restart files are opened, written and then closed. So far, so good.
*If the job completes normally then the restart files are found as expected.
*If, however, the job terminates abnormally (eg) due to a VM IPL or
*system crash. There is no sign of the restart files. Since this is exactly
*the case when the restart files are needed, this is not good.
*
*Further investigation revealed that CMS does not write an updated copy
*of the minidisk directory on to disk while there are still files open.
*This means that closing a dataset in Fortran is not sufficient to actually
*create the dataset.
*
*Has anyone got any ideas for a solution. I thought I would ask this list
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"Jonathan Wheeler" <JFW1@ib.rl.ac,uk> from Rutherforld Appleton
Laboratory writes:

> One of our network systems programmers has a local program written
> in FORTRAN that contains part of our network system.  It runs
> a system called GCS... The problem is that GCS does not support
> SVC 14...

If the program invokes a SQRT routine, then this is a problem. The
user may contact IBM for objects of four SQRT routines (AFBLSQRT,
AFBSSQRT, AFBVLSQR, and AFBVSSQR) to bypass (E)SPIE calls.

There are two routines available in the restricted source
materials: AFBVINTP (which initializes and terminates programs) and
AFBVSPIE (which issues (E)SPIE calls. The latter routine is called
by many VS Fortran routines.  If necessary, the user may re-assemble
these two modules.

Hope this helps.

Bernard Tiffany
University of Michigan
Information Technology Division
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From:         "SY07 at GWIA Alan J.Flavell" <SY07@I1.PH.GLA.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Problem with VS FORTRAN version 2.5.0 running under GCS (not
              CMS)

I am posting this to tie up the loose ends of a query from
Jonathan Wheeler (I append the mail headers for reference).

I got involved because I recognized the software package as being
one that we run also...  (we even remember the days when it ran
under Fortran H-extended with XL, in fact...).

I want to put on record our appreciation and kudos to Rick Nelson of
IBM, <cowboy@vnet.ibm.com> who asked us the right questions and
gave a prompt and effective solution.

It turns out that the significant features of the situation were this.

A large proportion of this application consists of FORTRAN subroutines,
but it is called from an Assembler main program.  This is deliberate,
as it uses its own private run-time environment, and it takes care
not to call for any Fortran facilities that would require the Fortran
run-time environment.

However, in moving from V2R4 to V2R5, it appeared that the new
release had introduced a requirement for Fortran runtime facilities
that had not previously existed.  In trying to remedy this, the
author had stumbled upon the SPIE SVC that had so upset GCS, and
had led to the query posted to this list.

The information provided by Rick was that due to the introduction of
Parallel feature, the use of Static COMMON now has to be tracked,
where previously this was only done for Dynamic COMMON.  The relevant
routine is DYCMNS#.  But DYCMNS# can only be successfully used
when FORTRAN initialisation has been done, which, as was explained, was
undesirable for this application - and in fact unsuccessful under GCS,
at least in their environment.

Rick explained that, knowing that in this particular application there
would be no work for the library routine to do, it was OK to provide
a substitute do-nothing version of DYCMNS#, containing the obvious
"SLR R15,R15" and "BR R14", and make sure it was loaded instead of
the library routine.

The author reports that this has been fully effective.

I hope the participants agree that this is a fair summary.
I should once again like to thank Rick for his top class advice.


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> Date:     Wed, 19 Aug 92 09:10:30 BST
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> From:     Jonathan Wheeler <JFW1@UK.AC.RUTHERFORD.IBM-B>
> Subject:  Problem with VS FORTRAN version 2.5.0 running under GCS (not CMS)
> To:       Multiple recipients of <VFORT-L@EARN.EB0UB011>
>
>
> One of our network systems programmers has a local program written in FORTRAN
> ...
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:02:42 EDT
From:         Ken Bell <SYKLB@NASAGISS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Closing files in CMS

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:20:30 PDT Melvin Klassen said:
>On Wed, 5 Aug 1992 11:26:18 BST, John Gordon <JCG@IBM-B.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK>
>>Further investigation revealed that CMS does not write an updated copy
>>of the minidisk directory on to disk while there are still files open.
>>This means that closing a dataset in Fortran is not sufficient to actually
>>create the dataset.

>The second, and necessary(!), step to create a separate mini-disk
>which should be **only** used to hold the "restart" files.
>(If you use the A-disk for your "program-output" **and** "restart" files,
>then you're back to the original problem, because your program only
>closes the "program-output" files when the program terminates.)

I sort of remember that doing a REWIND on the file(s) in question
is sufficient to force the disk copy to be updated.  Maybe I'm
mis-sort-of-remembering?
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From:         Melvin Klassen <KLASSEN@UVVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: using RMODE

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:41:50 ECT, John Hagan <AS0JFH@BINGVMB> wrote:
>A user ran a FORTRAN job in VM BATCH and got the following error messages:
>   DMSLIO994W Restrictive RMODE encountered in CSECT .000001.
>   DMSLIO994W LOAD continues below 16Mb.
>   DMSLIO380E Storage at origin 00C49148 in use, ESVVLIB not loaded.
>
After some private E-mail exchanges with John,
it seems that the following IBM service should be applied
to his IBM (Version 1 Release 4) ESSL (vector-mode) library.
Also, apply PL70035 to his IBM ESSL (scalar-mode) library.
--------
 APAR Identifier ...... PL67260      Last Changed ........ 91/10/23

 ESZZSWAP ESVZSWAP GIVE UNNAMED CSECT RMODE 24 AMODE 24 LOOKS LIKE BAD ESD CARD

 Symptom ......       INCORROUT      Status ........... CLOSED  PER
 Component .......... 566886301      Date Closed ......... 90/09/26
 Component Name ..... ESSL

 PTF List:  Release 140   : UL80815 available 90/10/12 (9101 )

 *******************************************************************
 * PROBLEM DESCRIPTION: RELEASE 3 AND 4 ROUTINE ZSWAP GIVES        *
 *                      UNNAMED CSECT WITH RMODE 24 AND AMODE 24,  *
 *                      SO USERS CANNOT USE IT IN XA MODE.         *
 *                      APPLYING THIS PTF WILL FIX THE PROBLEM.    *
 *******************************************************************
 * RECOMMENDATION: USERS OF RELEASE 3 AND 4 WHO WANT TO USE        *
 *                 ROUTINE ZSWAP IN XA MODE SHOULD APPLY THIS PTF. *
 *******************************************************************

 CIRCUMVENTION:
 IF USERS DO NOT WANT TO APPLY THIS PTF, THEN THEY MUST SPECIFY
 RMODE ANY AMODE 31 AT LOAD TIME: "LOAD PGMNAME RMODE ANY AMODE 31".
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:07:37 EDT
From:         "Richard A Nelson (Rick)" <cowboy@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      VSfortran 2.5 and GCS
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What version of CP/CMS are you running?  Is GCS running in XA mode?

Rick
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From:         "Jonathan Wheeler" <JFW1@IBM-B.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK>
Subject:      Problem with VS FORTRAN version 2.5.0 running under GCS (not CMS)

One of our network systems programmers has a local program written in FORTRAN
that controls part of our network system.  It runs under a system called GCS
which I understand is required when using VTAM.  The problem is that his
program will work when compiled with version 2.4.0 of VS FORTRAN, but it fails
with version 2.5.0.  The problem is that GCS does not support SVC 14 which is
used as part of the SPIE startup for VS FORTRAN.  Using the NOSPIE option does
not suppress use of this SVC.  Can anyone advise ?  I may not have given
sufficient information to allow someone to answer this query; if not, please
contact me.

Jonathan Wheeler
Applications and User Support Group
Central Computing Department
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
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