From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:23:38 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes: 
> yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
> <1. India and Mexico have more "freedoms" than China, why didn't they
> <   go there?
> 
> Very good point.  I ran a little experiment a few years ago by asking these
> FGNCZ whether they'd go to Bangladesh if no other country would offer them
> "protection".  The results?  Not one was willing to go to Bangladesh.
> Interesting, isn't it?  I'd go anywhere if my life were truly in danger.

But you won't go a more dangerous place.  People have some impression that
Bangladesh is not a safe place either.  As for India and Mexico, that question
is not valid for expected answer.  I know someone personally who went to
Mexico from China and didn't want to go back.  Of course he'd like to come
to the US, but Mexico ain't bad either.  Obviously if you are in the US,
you don't want to immigrate to Mexico. 

You can't put freedom and money separately.  Both are goals of people's
dreams of life.  We fight for freedom, we fight for money, we fight for fame.
If we don't fight, we end up having a miserable life, if we fight, we have
a meaningful life.  You two guys are no different, but not brave enough
to admit that you ARE fighting for money, AND freedom, AND fame, AND all
those things that you deem others are lying to be doing.

> <2. In China, people cannot pursue what they want by people themselves,
> <   because of CCP.  Hey!  In the US, there is no CCP in power, why don't
> <   they get green cards by themselves rather than thru "I don't like to
> <   go home, becasue those CCP guys will bet me".
> 
> _Tong4kuai_!

Presumably being able to go though "I don't like to go home, becasue those CCP
guys will bet me" to get green card in the US,  is BETTER than not being able
to do anything for youself in China.

> <3. maybe CCP owe your parents something, but that's the deal between
> <   CCP and your parents.  The issue is: did YOU return what you owe
> <   to CCP as yet?
> 
> Good question, Shannon.  But you have to get even more basic than that.
> Past discussions on SCC have revealed that many SCCers *deny* owing anything
> to the CCP or their _tong2bao1men_ in China.

The point is that your parents have this God-blessed RESPONSIBLITY to raise
kids, and don't expect them to return.  That is why the kids don't owe thier
parents who in turn paid IN FULL and probably are STILL PAYING their kids'
educational cost and other misc cost to their "_tong2bao1men_" or CCP or
whoever you'd like to designate.

However, you have a heavenly responsibility to raise your own kids, and if
you don't work for China, your kids have no rights whatsoever to get anything
from China.  OK?

If you work for China, your kids have RIGHTS to get what you've worked for!!!

> <4. China become democratic first, or you go home to join the construction
> <   of a democratic system for China first?
> 
> Or would they stay here no matter what the political situation in China?

That's why there are many people RETURNED to China in the 50s.  Is there
a call for "the construction of a democratic system for China" now??? !!!

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu