HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ml@vcp1.vcp.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,rec.music.misc,rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Thanx for ML creation info. (sorry, folks :-( )
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:33:44 GMT
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@uunet.uu.net
Originator: wisner@wiretap.Spies.COM


G'day,




I asked in rec.music.misc and rec.music.gaffa (but not in alt.music.enya as I
didn't know it existed at the time) about how does one create a mailing list
and what is involved.


Well, firstly, thanks to all those who replied to my message.  It really was
surprising at the number of responses.


Regretably, however, I've decided to put the idea on hold for the time being
as because of the lack of software (and time to develope newly written ones) at
our site, managing a mailing list regarding enya manually would be a little too
much for me.


Maybe some other time.


But don't dispair.  There is a mailing list:
	enya-request@boulder.colorado.edu
in existance.  I have no idea what info it has as I have not subscribed to
it yet (but will eventually).  But at least there is something out there...


Just a thought on mailing lists:  below are the possible subjects regarding
enya --
	1.  Frequently Asked Questions List (FAQL)
	2.  Discography
	3.  Interviews (and these will increase as her music becomes more
	    popular)
	4.  Transcribed articles.
	5.  Her days with Clannad,  and indeed Clannad themselves.
	6.  Other artists she worked with - Christy Moore, Sinead O'Connor,
	    ect.
	7.  Her songs and the influences.
	8.  Translation to english of her non-english works (Gaelic and Latin)
	9.  Family Tree (believe me, she comes from a LARGE family!! and it is
	    tricky to keep track off)


	....   ect.


	and whole lot of other things...


So you can see it can take a bit of disk space and there will be a bit of time
involved in managing this info.




If you are interested, I do have some info on enya.  Just send a bellow to
	ml@vcp.monash.edu.au






Cheers,
Mik.


/*****************************************************************************\
*    Mik Lipcsey, Computer Systems Officer, Victorian College of Pharmacy,    *
*         Monash University, 381 Royal Parade, Parkville, Australia.          *
* Aarnet:  ml@vcp.monash.edu.au  *  'Open the Pod Bay Door, please, HAL' 2001 *
>*****************************************************************************<
* I am home, I know the way,             \_____---- 'Evening falls...' (1988) *
* I am home, feeling, oh, so far away... /                   Roma Ryan & Enya *
* For so great a treasure, words will never do... ---------- 'Angeles' (1991) *
\*****************************************************************************/


Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.220710.18494@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.151404.29390@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>The following message was recently posted to several groups, including
>>alt.config and rec.music.newage, but not the infamous alt.music.enya.
>>Barring serious objections, I'll send out a rmgroup for alt.music.enya
>>in a few days.
>
>Why would you want to send out a rmgroup?
>Having an enya music group was discussed for almost a month in
>rec.music.newage.  Having a enya newsgroup has cut all kind of 
>garbage out of rec.music.newage and I and all the people that
>read alt.music.enya think that it has a valid reason for being in
>existance.

Except that it appears that the newly-set-up mailing list can easily
handle the traffic of alt.music.enya, and newsgroups dedicated to
single artists are almost universally frowned upon.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: an immature alt.music.enya reader
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:01:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: erik.23111B
Reply-To: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>
Organization: Naggum Software, Oslo, Norway
Originator: enag@gyda.ifi.uio.no

Dear 92S10711,

You should perhaps realize that it's considered extremely bad
netiquette to post private communication, whatever you think of it.
If somebody is polite enough to take things to e-mail, you're making a
fool of yourself by being impolite about it, in addition to thinking
that the net cares about the flame mail you get, and from whom.  (No,
it wasn't from me. ;-)

You will probably grow up to realize that flame mail is the rule,
rather than exception, on USENET if you do stupid things.  So,
although I have no information to judge whether you're an asshole or
not, it's a pretty safe bet to state that you're immature and need to
grow up.  Get on with it.

Best regards,
</Erik>

--
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Naggum Software   |   "fuzzface"      |  DIS 10744 HyTime  |  terrigena.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:30:45 GMT

davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Buddy Brannan) writes:

>Isn't this silly flamewar about whether or not to have a newsgroup rather 
>silly? I mean, I'd rather read about Enya than reading about whether or not a news-
>group that's already here and established should exist or not. I'm sure I'm
>not the only one, so like c'mon guys, take it somewhere else. It's getting 
>old.

No, it isn't silly.  I created a mailing list for The Police, just because I
am a fan and I enjoy their music.  Despite the previous comments about the
*urgency* of email, your audience for alt.music.enya is relatively tiny to the
audience that a newsgroup reaches.  I mean, for the Police list, there are
about 70 subscribers.  I ran the Cure list for a while and there were about
160 subscribers.  Do you honestly think that ENYA is more popular than these
two bands?  Do you really believe that sending alt.music.enya to 10,000
(minimum) machines is worth it for everyone else?

Bands like Rush, Greatful Dead, and yes, even Kate Bush may command an
audience large enough to justify a newsgroup.  I understand the Rush mailing
list has something like 600+ subscribers.  People like Enya and every other
piddly squat musician do NOT deserve an entire newsgroup.  Whiners in
rec.music.newage should go look around their music stores to see where Enya is
filed.  I can't believe they are moaning about her not being "new age" when
a Depeche Mode discussion is happening currently in rec.music.industrial.

As for the *URGENCY* of email, there are two solutions to that problem:

	1. Don't subscribe to mailing lists.
	2. Use a filter.

"Alt.music.enya" may be "established" but what we're trying to STOP is the
FUTURE creation of such newsgroups.
-- 
 "Yeah, me and Saddam, we just signed a mutual reelection pact"  - Foetus Bush

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown  pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com  ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
Xref: sparky alt.music.enya:63 alt.config:3003
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:36:16 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article <RJC.92Apr15212602@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:
>Either there is some weird distribution bug preventing messages
>getting here or there have been no Enya related messages in
>alt.music.enya. Lots of tedius argument over whether the group should
>exist though.

You're probably the victim of bad distribution. 

What is happening is presumably that you aren't fed  alt.music.enya *but*
that the group has been created at your site anyway. This means that
you won't see the messages that are posted just to alt.music.enya
(which means all the interesting posts), but only the once crossposted
to groups that you are fed. The discussion about the existance of
a.m.e is crossposted to alt.config, which is proably why you see those
messages. 

Magnus Olsson                   | \e+      /_
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University of Lund, Sweden      |   >----<           
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Bitnet: THEPMO@SELDC52          | /e-      \q
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:24:13 GMT

In article <BJORN.92Apr13151627@Minsk.docs.uu.se> bjorn@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Bjorn Knutsson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.083521.7628@colorado.edu> tim@refuge.Colorado.EDU (Tim Hunter) writes:
>
>> As far as I've heard, the ideal plan is to have a mailing list for
>> any topic that has less than around 500 "subscribers".  In other
>> words, if a mailing list can't handle it well, it should be a newsgroup.
>> I will be suprised if there are enough subscribers to bog down this
>> machine.
>
>In response to that last sentence, I'd say you're probably right, but not for
>the reasons you think. I read alt.music.enya, but I will not subscribe to the
>mailinglist for the simple reason that I don't want to have my mailbox filled
>with news-type messages. Mail is for personal messages to me, sometimes urgent.
>I don't want to wade through hundreds of messages just to find that letter I've
>been waiting for.

This is exactly the point, I think -- if the mailing list gets so huge
that you're receiving hundreds of messages at a time, then it would be
more reasonable to place it in a newsgroup.  It doesn't seem to me,
from the traffic on alt.music.enya, that there's likely to be that
many messages on the enya mailing list.

>Besides, the software I'm using to read news does a much better job of keeping
>track of discussions that my mail software. I could of course get mail software
>that handles news better, but that seems like a silly thing to do.

It won't be silly if it's that much of a burden to you.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: cosc15yj@rosie.uh.edu (92S10711)
Subject: Enya
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:36:00 GMT


How does "Shepherd Moons" compare to "Enya"?  I have only the latter but
have heard "Caribbean Blue" from _Moons_.

---  
(| "Onto the street proceed      "Honesty means nothing you've proven     |)
(|  The hearse and limousine        that to me                            |)
(|  Laying in the casket, the     I can see right through you, scarred    |)
(|  Corpse of inner joy             for life you'll always be"            |)
(|  Questioning time                                   -- Devastation,    |)
(|  All hope for loving died" -- Exhorder,                "Never Believe" |)
(|                               (Cadence) of the Dirge                   |)
(| "We no more remember our dreams"                    "But, but me no!"  |)
(|              -- Hap Nguyen      "No jokes"          -- Carmen Granelle |)
(|                                  --Rizwan 'Batman' Aziz                |)
(| "Hey Riz! Did you get your message?!?" -- BMB    "NOOOOOOOO!!! NO!!"   |)
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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: sseidman@isis.cs.du.edu (Steven R. Seidman)
Subject: Re: * Moonshadows on LaserDisc?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 05:11:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.124834.12848@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
>I want Moonshadows. Well, I'm sure that everyone reading this group
>wants it (or has it). The thing is, I want to know whether or not it's
>going to be released on Laser Disc...even as an 8". I haven't seen the

Pick up an issue of Goldmine (Record collector mag).  There are a few places
selling the LaserDisc for around $50.  It's from Japan, so you probably won't
find it at any of the main chain stores.

Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: CFD: alt.music.machines.of.loving.grace,alt.pop.will.eat.itself
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:48:07 GMT


I would like to create alt.music.machines.of.loving.grace.  They aren't my
favorite group, and I really don't listen to them that much, but I feel that
if Enya deserves her own group, Machines of Loving Grace deserve one too.
After that, we can create:

alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself

for discussion of PWEI

alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol

for discussion of PWEI fashion accessories

and of course:

alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.X.Y.&.Z.electric.sunshine.mix

for discussing my favorite mix of this PWEI song.


If this CFD fails, I'll create the groups anyway.  Just like alt.music.enya.
-- 
     James Brown, Mark Hosler, Al Jourgenson.  Coincidence or conspiracy?

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown  pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com  ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown
Xref: sparky alt.music.enya:33 alt.config:2916
From: billing@ccu.UManitoba.CA (Wayne Billing)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:52:32 GMT
Organization: U. of Manitoba

In article <1992Apr11.151404.29390@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> 
> The following message was recently posted to several groups, including
> alt.config and rec.music.newage, but not the infamous alt.music.enya.
> Barring serious objections, I'll send out a rmgroup for alt.music.enya
> in a few days.
> 
      other info deleted

> and newsgroups dedicated to
>single artists are almost universally frowned upon.
>
> ____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
> \  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
>  \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
> 
does that mean that you'll also rmgroup the following 8-):
	alt.fan.bill-fenner
 alt.fan.brian-ellis
 alt.fan.bruce-becker
 etc.
since these are all dedicated to a single person and really should be in the
group alt.fan?

Personnally I'd rather you just unsubscribe to the alt.music.enya group if you
are offended by its traffic ;-) As for the mail list, I agree with Bjorn 
Knutsson <bjorn@bern.docs.uu.se> when he says:

> Mail is for personal messages to me, sometimes urgent.
>I don't want to wade through hundreds of messages just to find that letter I've
>been waiting for. I read mail every time I log in, but I read news only when I
>have time to spare.
Xref: sparky alt.music.enya:51 alt.config:2966
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config
Subject: Re: I am creating an Enya mailing list
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:11:15 GMT
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden

In article <1992Apr11.151404.29390@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Barring serious objections, I'll send out a rmgroup for alt.music.enya
>in a few days.

Youy may consider this a serious objection.

As far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong), alt.music.enya is a
perfectly bona fide altnet group. It was created in the correct (for
altnet) way. It has a relatively high frequency of serious, relevant
postings. 

Also as far as I know (and please again correct me if I'm wrong), your
alleged reason for sending out an rmgroup is that *you* don't think
there should be an Enya newsgroup. You're totally ignoring all the
people who think the group deserves to exist. May I ask who appointed
you net.dictator? Rmgrouping groups just because *you* don't happen to
like them is nothing else than net.terrorism, and should be treated as
such. 

Besides, even if you had valid reasons for sending out an rmgroup
(which I *strongly* doubt), experience tells us that global rmgroups
for alt groups tend to defeat their purpose. *If* you do it - which I
sincerely hope you won't - the likely effects will probably be

1) Several newgroup messages will immediately be sent out from all
corners of the world 

2) You will very likely be thoroughly flamed. And the point is that
you'd deserve it.

Magnus Olsson                   | \e+      /_
Dept. of Theoretical Physics    |  \  Z   / q
University of Lund, Sweden      |   >----<           
Internet: magnus@thep.lu.se     |  /      \===== g
Bitnet: THEPMO@SELDC52          | /e-      \q
From: jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: Miscellanious stuff
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:41:13 GMT
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

In article <1992Apr16.124051.12460@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:

>You people are LUCKY! At my church we have an organist. We can't use our
>own music AT ALL!!! I really wanted to use the first 10 seconds of the
>Throne Room from Star Wars to let everyone know that the show's about to
>begin, and then use Suzanne Ciani or Enya for the walk down the isle.
>After searching through 75 CDs for two hours, our priest said 'No way,
>you have to pay an organist $75'. Grrrrrrr...... I MAY get around it by
>giving the organist the sheet music to what I want. It may not be
>straight from the album, but the music will still be there. If the music
>really sucks (which it probably will), I'll dub it over in the video.
>Maybe if someone has had the same type of situation happen to them they
>could e-mail me and tell me how they handled it.

I don't suppose you have the option of getting married somewhere else?  
Since we are not members of any church in town, we just shopped around the 
campus chapels for one with a relaxed attitude.  We finally ended up in the 
Lutheran chapel.  If you have strong ties to this church (or have already 
printed the invitations) then going somewhere else may not be an option.  It 
just seems to me that a clergyman should want to make your wedding what you 
want it to be, rather than forcing an organist down your throat (NOT to be 
confused with forcing an organ down your throat, which is something the 
Church frowns upon).

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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: fmh6h@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Fredrick Morgan Holt)
Subject: Good Morning America Interview
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:22:23 GMT

In article <33075@darkstar.ucsc.edu> rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su) writes:
>	Just finish watching `Good Morning America' on ABC.  Enya stated
>	in the interview...
 
I would appreciate it if someone could post a transcript of this
interview.
From: jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: "On Your Shore"
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:42:21 GMT
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia


In case anyone cares, I'm using "On Your Shore" in my wedding this weekend. 
My SO made me fade it out before the clarinet solo, but it still has a good 
effect I think.

That along with the Vangelis and Phillip Glass that I'm using should make it 
an interesting ceremony, I hope.

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Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: moire@leland.Stanford.EDU (Connie Chin)
Subject: Legend music
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:05:30 GMT

I'm just dying from curiosity! I watched a movie called "Legend" long ago
and I do believe Enya had a song or two in this movie but I can't remember
what they were.  If you know, please e-mail me.  

Thanks and sorry is this question was already posted but I read over 50 
postings and no cigar.  

Connie
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
From: lib1g@jane.uh.edu (Steve Bonario)
Subject: Mailing list discussion
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:53:00 GMT

Is it too much to ask those of you discussing the business of 
mailing lists versus newsgroups to transfer your discussion
to private e-mail?  I subscribed to this newsgroup to read
about Enya, not net politics.

Respectfully,

Steve Bonario.
From: sasgjz@slinky.unx.sas.com (Greg Ziebold)
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya
Subject: Re: Moon Shadows Video...more video
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:13:53 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasgjz@slinky.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 647

In article <1992Apr11.023046.29658@aero.org>, jordan@aero.org (Larry M. Jordan) writes:
>I recently purchased Enya's video Moon Shadows. I strongly
>recommend it.  


for those of you that might be interested in seeing some of Enya's homeland,
check out the travel video "Portrait of Ireland".  this video contains some
astonishingly beautiful footage of the Irish countryside and shoreline,
accompanied by music from Enya's first two albums (Enya and Watermark) as well
as music from James Galway and the Chieftains.
-- 
Greg Ziebold				e-mail: sasgjz@unx.sas.com
QA Associate Analyst			phone : (919) 677-8000
SAS Institute, Inc.					 x7129     
Newsgroups: alt.music.enya,alt.config