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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Rollerblade miles = ? Running miles
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:16:56 GMT

In article <5qRmwB3w164w@cellar.org> toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps) writes:

>>Why do you think that one is getting "more exercise with the lousy
>>bearings?"
>
>Plain and simple experience.  I started with Zetra 303s, with their
>average-to-poor wheels and poor bearings.  I had to struggle to keep up with
>the folks with better bearings.  Matching their speed was sometimes
>torture... I'd wind up covered in sweat.  Then I upgraded both the wheels
>and the bearings, and suddenly I had no problem keeping up. [...]
>
>But the question changes... maybe the real answer is that the *type* of
>workout you get with cheaper bearings is different.  The cheap bearings give
>you more resistance.  Maybe the workout is just more anaerobic.

I think you're missing the point. If you have better bearings, go faster! The
air resistance will quickly become the dominant force that you're working
against. If you're skating with other people, then you may have a problem.
Experts in aerobic exercise, like Covert Bailey, caution that such speed
matching between people of different fitness levels (and, presumably,
quality of equipment) is often counterproductive.

One other thing: often, the problem with cheap bearings is their roughness,
not necessarily the resistance. Rollerblade's Max Trainer bearings (the MNB
608RS guys) are very slow but very smooth. They feel pretty good...as long
as people aren't passing you. Somehow, I feel a compunction to explain to them
that I'm really not *that* slow on my skates. :-)

A co-worker has a GMN 6206 RSR bearing on his desk. It reportedly comes from
the transmission of a VW Beetle. After a long lifetime, it, too is very smooth
but very slow (by in-line skating standards). It's the biggest bearing
cartridge I've ever seen.

Finally, I'm usually suspicious of people's early experiences on skates. Many
beginners will have the "plain and simple experience" that brakes are
impossible to use. They assume that such devices should take a minute or two
of practice, then they'll be experts. What they don't realize is that one
must, at least, have a fundamental grasp of the dynamics of fore-aft and
side-to-side weight transfer before even beginning to master braking.

The downhill ski industry has trained most people to take lessons when
beginning. We need to do the same for in-line skating. Heaven forbid, it
wouldn't hurt if the bike industry did the same.

>Tony Shepps  toad@cellar.org

--phil
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: In-line skate terminology
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:31:24 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: na
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan3.010111.1@pomona.claremont.edu> rlai@pomona.claremont.edu (Mac Crusader) writes:
> 
>       In regards to shielded and unshielded bearings, are the bearings that
>       come standard with Rollerblades shielded or unshielded?

Double shielded, i.e. metal dust shields on each side of the bearing.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
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From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: Welcome to Rec.skate
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:25:00 GMT

Welcome to Rec.skate.
 
To provide a reference file for rec.skaters and also to eliminate some of the
repetitive postings, the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) file is posted every 
month.  The FAQ is cross-posted to news.answers with a 1 month expiration time
to make it as accessible as possible.
 
Additionally, FAQ files of all USENET newsgroups are available via anonymous 
ftp from pit-manager.mit.edu in the pub/usenet directory.  The rec.skate FAQ 
should be in the rec.skate directory.
 
The FAQ file is not intended to discourge debate on topics listed in the 
FAQ, but merely to show that they HAVE been considered by the readers here.
If you have something significant to add to the subject, then feel free to 
post.
 
The FAQ file strives to be as accurate as possible, but mis-attributions,
typos and wrongly-formatted text does slip through.  If you find any 
mistakes, feel free to notify me.
 

-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
From: toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Rollerblade miles = ? Running miles
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:13:11 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
> In article <5qRmwB3w164w@cellar.org> toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps) writes:
 
>>But the question changes... maybe the real answer is that the *type* of
>>workout you get with cheaper bearings is different.  The cheap bearings give
>>you more resistance.  Maybe the workout is just more anaerobic.
 
> I think you're missing the point. If you have better bearings, go faster! The
> air resistance will quickly become the dominant force that you're working
> against. If you're skating with other people, then you may have a problem.

Oh, I get it!  That's the whole difference, then. Almost all of my skating is
with other people: 70% of it is hockey practice and 10% of it is actual
hockey.  The workout you get from hockey is quite different, probably because
so much of it is spent in acceleration.  And that's where the better bearings
really do cut down on the workout -- before wind resistance has had a chance
to get to you.

--
Tony Shepps  toad@cellar.org
Public access and thoughtful conversation:  The Cellar BBS  +1 215 539 3043
From: tal@netcom.com (Tal Dayan)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Stanford University weekly skating gathering, info requested
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:25:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I would appreciate any information regarding Stanford University weekly
skating gathering. Is it still on Wednesday evening ? what time ? how to
get there (arriving from Sunnyvale, on El Camino Real) ?  Where to park
?  What is the average skating level  ? What is the 'agenda' ?

Thanks in advance

Tal Dayan

tal@netcom.com


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 Tal Dayan (TM)             tal@netcom.com              tal@cse.ucsc.edu 
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From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Pulled muscle in upper thigh
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:59:14 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1h7qbvINNd4e@meaddata.meaddata.com> timh@meaddata.com (Tim Humphrey) writes:
>While skating, I pulled a muscle in the back of my upper thigh.  This
>happen 4 months ago, but it is still bothering me.  Has anyone had this
>happen and if so how did you get rid of it?
>
   Tim-

The thing to do for a pulled muscle is the standard RICE treatment,
which stands for Rest Ice Compression and Elevation. In addition to
RICE, you could take an antianflammatory like aspirin or ibuprofin.
The ice should be applied about 4X a day for 15 mins. at a time 
(various sources give different times and durations but don't leave
it on too long, say more than 20 mins. at any given time) for, ideally,
the first 48 hours immediately following the injury.  That is to be
followed (once the first 48 to 72 hours after the injury occurred have
passed) by applying heat to the injured area.  This helps your system carry
away the dead and damaged blood cells that are a normal result of the
trauma by increasing blood circulation to the area.  The Rest is very 
important. It is advisable to not
use the injured muscle for a week... let it heal and mend completely
before you resume using it. Walking is probably ok but you're just going
to keep reinjuring it if you don't let it heal fully in the first place.
I think the compression and elevation are pretty self explanatory.  Keep
the injured part elevated and wrap (not too tightly so as to cut off
circulation).  I find that, when I do pull a muscle and follow these
procedures, I am back working out pain free in a relatively short time.
Ignoring the injury will greatly lengthen this time and make you more
prone to reinjuring it in the same way repeatedly.  If you use the
muscle when it is still healing, it is weaker and this is what makes it
prone to reinjury.  I don't know what 
to suggest to you to do since you are still having pain now, 4 months
after you initially injured it other than give it a rest and let it heal
fully and then gradually resume skating and see how it feels and goes.
I'm not a doc. or health professional of any kind (my disclaimer) but
I have injured myself in this way and found this process to work well
for me. I got my advice for what to do from a competent track coach.  
Good luck.

Judy

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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: In-line skate terminology
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:57:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.153034.11525@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gcoleman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George Coleman) writes:
>>sheilded vs unshielded bearings...
>

>I am skating with a set of swiss bones bearings (I could find the box and get
>a model number if you really want..).  The bearings only have a partial
>shield on one side and generaly are a pain.  I have to overhall them way to
>often.

They're the Powell Bones bearings. Until recently, these were some of the most
precise bearings available on the marketplace. Most racers have been racing on
Powells. There are now some specialty bearings being manufactured for racing;
racers may be moving to these now. Perhaps Rod Murillo could tell us.

The one-sided shield generally isn't a problem. If left on the inside of the
wheel, there's sort of an implicit shield from the hub. Note: I use one of the
metal axle systems; this may provide a better seal for the inner side of the
Powells than the standard guys.

It's fairly difficult to expunge contaminants from a shielded bearing; people
take off one of the shields to clean their bearings. Since the shields are
nearly impossible to replace, people just leave them off.

In short, the Powells have already "removed" the shield that most people
interested in maintaining their bearings would get around to removing anyway.

If you're not interested in maintenance, the Powells may be a poor choice.

>I would not recomend unshielded bearing from my experiences.

The bearings that speed roller skaters use have no shield on the inside *or*
the outside. This is different from the Powells, which have a complete shield
on one side.

>Ed Coleman

--phil
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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: In-line skate terminology
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:44:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.042346.20453@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>In the catalogs, I have seen bearings described with the following ratings:
>
>  608Z
>  608zz

Typically, the bearing cartridges used for in-line skating have some
sort of environmental protection for the bearings and the race. There
are shielded and sealed bearings available.

The Z is the mnemonic for shielded bearings. Presumably, the ZZ means
"double shielded." Shielded bearings resist water, dirt, and other
contamination, but are not completely protected. That's why it's
always a good idea to avoid water or dirt when possible. I also will
immediately vacuum my runners and clean them after a messy skating
session.

Another flavor of bearings available are 608RS bearings. Since these
bearings have a rubber seal, I assume that that's what RS stands for.
These bearings do appear to be totally protected from the environment.
They are also much, much slower than other bearings. X-C skiers like
them because they match more closely the kinesthetics of skating
skiing. They're also good for masochistic skaters or folks who want to
skate through the winter.

As a side note, speed roller skaters use totally unshielded bearings
for indoor races and banked track racing. I don't know if they use
them for road races -- a small amount of contamination could easily
eliminate you from a race.

The other factor for bearings is the lubricant. Oil will be faster but
will require more maintenance. Grease will last much longer but will
be slower. Racers will use Teflon and other lubricants.

>I have also seen wheels described by the following:
>
>  82A
>
>What does this mean?

A number followed by an "A" is a durometer, or rebound, rating. It's
based on a 0-100 scale where 100 would give complete rebound and 0
would give none.

Typically, for rougher road surfaces, you'd like to use a lower
durometer number. Unfortunatly, low duro wheels will usually wear out
much faster. 74A is the softest available wheel. 78A is a pretty good
all-around wheel. 82A gives a bit too harsh a ride for my taste. There
are 85A wheels; they should probably be used only indoors or on very
smooth outdoor surfaces.

--phil
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From: gcoleman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George Coleman)
Subject: Re: In-line skate terminology
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:30:34 GMT

>Wheels had dramatic shift in properties with temperature.

Yes, see glass transition stage in plastics.

>sheilded vs unshielded bearings...

I am skating with a set of swiss bones bearings (I could find the box and get a
model number if you really want..).  The bearings only have a partial shield on
one side and generaly are a pain.  I have to overhall them way to often.  I
would not recomend unshielded bearing from my experiences.

>how can you have a hardness greater than 100?

For that matter, how can you have an octane greater than 100.  Octane is 
suppose to be the way a gas mixture burns compared to an ideal fuel.  The trick
probibly is something like the gas burns even smother than the control fuel or 
the wheel is even harder than the control material.  Just a guess.

Ed Coleman
From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Subject: Re: Professional Worlds
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:35:29 GMT
Summary: Just some comments...

It's been awhile since I've had time to post anything (and world knocked me off 
in the midst of my last attempt a few weeks ago), so here goes...

In article <1992Dec20.152921.3389@src.umd.edu> jaya@eng.umd.edu (Jayanti S. Kanal) writes (in part):
>On the Prof Worlds/Landover thread: I agree with you, Mary, that Boitano
>is by far the most consistent under pressure. And while Orser wasn't consistent
>in the past, I don't think he sacrificed the jumps for interpretation's sake -
>He wasn't on when it counted, but he was a threat with a triple axel back when
>Hamilton was champ (another wonderful skater & performer, I think).

Yes, Boitano appears to be best under pressure, but does anyone know what 
happened at the recent Challenge of Champions in LA?  I read in USA Today this 
morning that he came in 3rd behind Petrenko and Wylie...

Back to the original...  Orser might "not have been on when it counted," but I 
still have a hard time with the '84 judging when Hamilton WASN'T on and Orser 
clearly was.  (All right, I KNOW the judge's reasoning, but...)

>... I was referring
>to risk on an individual level, i.e. trying different, sometimes uncharacter-
>istic music and then "going for it" with the interpretation of that music. I 
>feel that skaters such as Orser and Beillman (sp?) have, over the years, showed
>greater variety in expression. 

Orser yes, Bielmann I'm not so sure...

>...I find Boitano a wonderful technical skater,
>but I do find him a bit wooden when it comes to artistic expression. Earnest,
>yes, but varied, no. When I think of men who affected the sport artistically,
>John Curry, Toller Cranston and Robin Cousins pop into my head. When I look
>at Boitano, I see a man who changed the face of technical expectations and
>requirements. Not that that is any small feat, mind you.

I agree with your comments about Curry, Cousins, and Cranston - gee, "The 3 
C's"???  ;-)  However, I wouldn't write off Brian so fast.  I think he's grown 
quite a bit artistically since winning the '88 gold.  Maybe we're looking for 
some degree of maturity that appears later in some skaters than in others, if 
at all?

>...A dance teacher I have recently commented to
>me that while he loves watching skating, he finds that most skaters don't have
>that 'from the heart' feel to their performances. Well, it is sport, too, and
>it's hard enough concentrating on triples much less delivering them with 
>pizzaz to spare... 

Alas, I have to agree there - and it's become more apparent with this new crop 
of skaters we're beginning to see this competitive season.  It's going to make 
the reinstatement issue tough.

>and skating will always be subject to subjectivity. I also think that Orser,
>among others, has been lost in the shuffle over the years where credit is
>concerned. 

How true!  Happy New Year!
Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
attmail!clp3b2!htr
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From: mark@sdd.hp.com (Mark Overton)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: wanted
Date: 30 Dec 1992 02:58:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl157.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Dec24.183821.599@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
|> Hello,
|> 
|> I am looking for a synthetic iceskating on which it is possible to skate.
|> [...]
|> Francoise.

Are you referring to synthetic material which simulates the skating properties
of ice?  I've never heard of any such thing.  Rink-owners in hot climates
such as here in Southern California might be interested in it.

The closest thing I know of to ice-skating is in-line skating (which is not
real close, BTW).

- Mark Overton,  mark@sdd.hp.com
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: In-line skate terminology
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 04:23:46 GMT

First, let me say thanks to all who have responded to my initial request
for advice in purchasing my first pair of in-line skates.  Now I have
a few more questions for you knowledgable skating folks.

In the catalogs, I have seen bearings described with the following ratings:

  608Z
  608zz

What do these mean?  I have also seen wheels described by the following:

  82A

What does this mean?

Once again, email is preferred, but I'll check the group too.
Thanks in advance,

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice Figure Skating - A Competitive Spor
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec24.014014.25188@cs.yale.edu> blenko-tom@cs.yale.edu writes:
> 
> | 
> | >Why would a man who is gay choose a sport that required him to  
> skate with
> | >an attractive woman several hours per day? In other words, I  
> suspect there
> | >are fewer gays in paired dance competition than in other forms of  
> ice figure
> | >skating
> | 
> | I think you're confusing ice pairs dancing with the kind of dancing  
> you do 
> | on a friday at some club somewhere.  Ice dancing is a sport, not a  
> social
> | pick up event.
> 
> I don't know what the remark about bedroom time has to do
> with anything, either, but I'm even more confused by your
> article.
> 
> Ice dance is done for social purposes in every part of the
> US that I've lived (right here in River City, actually, is
> certainly the worst example, but...). So if you suppose
> that off-ice activities follow from on-ice activities
> (I don't necessarily), I guess there's some connection.  

I think Kevin was referring to competitive ice-dancing as
opposed to the social version.  While there is really not
a 100% clear distinction, in the situation where coaches,
parents and skaters are making sacrifices with the intent
of "winning", sexual complications are not desired and I
suspect especially coaches lament losing good skaters as
adolescence rears it's distractions.

In the social arena, you find all kinds of combinations,
but pairs seem to be pretty well split into two camps -
married couples who both skate and "skating partners"
whose relationships don't extend much past the rink doors.
With the younger skaters you see more in the way of
external cliques or other associations that carry over
into skating.

As far as the original quesiton of gay men in competitive
or exhibition skating, what's the big surprise?  Any area
of "artistic" expression is likely to have a visible gay
contingient...

-- 
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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
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From: Ward_Travis@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Variety in wheels
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:59:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.4fE_0bT0BwyOMO_7A6
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I've been shopping to replace my (worn, speed-wobbly, etc.) Krypto
708s for a set of Cool Blades. Seems like the only places in town that
stock replacement wheels have a VERY limited variety to choose from.
If I move up in diameter, I usually find only one set of wheels at
each place. If I stay at the current diam, I usually have to select
from one or two kinds. One shop tells me that all wheels of a given
durometer reading are the same color.  Another tells me that they
'just only come that way'. Can I get a harder, larger wheel that isn't
mint green or black??? Argh.

--
Ward C. Travis		Pittsburgh PA	"The fact is the sweetest dream that
travis@transarc.com	(412) 338 4388	       labor knows."  - R. Frost
From: stuart.chessen@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: National & Worlds Roller Skating Video
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:23:47 GMT

The National Artistic Roller Skating meet held in Lincoln, Nebraska in August
92 is available to all PBS stations to broadcast anytime. Contact your local
station.

The World Artistic Roller Skating is being broadcast on the Sports Channel.

These videos are available to be purchase from United States Amateur
Confederation of Roller Skating (USAC/RS) in Lincoln for $20/ea.
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