From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:33:53 CST

In article <C0EKLv.CI@ra.nrl.navy.mil> lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil writes:
>In article <bob1.726256611@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>>In <ueff8ho@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
>>>psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) snipes:
>>>|>>|> >You are a bitter person Muriel.  
>>
>>Paul, to my recollection you haven't been posting here for very
>>long. Of course, you may have been lurking in the shadows for
>>some time, but there is no way to tell.
>>
>>However, if you work at it really hard, you might achieve the
>>level of humanity that Muriel has shown, so it might behove you
>>to cease making snap judgements. Just a thought.
>>
>>>nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>>>|Sorry Paul. We women in this group are used to being called bitter.
>>>|Say what you mean. What you mean is Muriel doesn't agree with you and
>>>|doesn't know her place. [...]
>>>C J Silverio	cj@sgi.com	ceej@well.sf.ca.us
>>>"People call me feminist whenever I express sentiments that
>>>differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute." --Rebecca West
>>
>>I'd tell you some of the things I've been called, but I normally
>>don't use such language.
>>
My thanks to one and all who've responded to Paul's
comment.  Having grown up among women who considered
doormatcy a virtue, it pleases me very much to have
the opportunity to stand in the way of the backlash
bandwagon.  Note that a male-choicer even mentioned
today, in this very forum, the possibility of removing
suffrage, when abortion rights are gone.  
>
>I'm not sure why you left off the invective Muriel rattled off just prior to me
>making that comment.  I don't doubt her humanity, but I'm surprised at how
>quick people are to jump to name-calling as a first resort.  I'm sorry, but
>that sounds pretty bitter to me. 
>
Perhaps we should restore the comment _you_ made which 
inspired my 'invective'.  Seems to me you were sneering
at the prospect of women dying.

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In article <C015K3.Ip4@ra.nrl.navy.mil> psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
>Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
>In article <1992Dec28.115856.25977@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel
>Nelson) writes:

[I'm responding to Alan Idler]
>> What if 'fairly rapidly' is too slow, and the woman
>> dies?  What if facing a 'state tribunal' is too intimidating?
>> Woulf you like to go back to the days of illegal, unsterile,
>> or self-induced abortion?
>>
>> muriel
>
>Guess what Muriel? There were fewer abortion related deaths back then than
>now -
>try a different line of rhetoric.  I know, the standard, "back alley, coat
>hanger" image is so juicy and hard to resist by pro-aborts.  Keeps those
>undecided folks shaking in their shoes.
>
I'm sure you'll be supporting this claim with documentation
from unbiased sources, which will include the disclaimer
about the difficulty in gathering statistics concerning
what was at the time an illegal activity.

This is not just rhetoric for me, you misogynist twit.
I almost lost my best friend to a self-induced abortion
in 1969.  I do not want to see one of my daughters lose
a friend in this manner.  I'm prepared to fight your
agenda in order to protect the rights of young women
to make choices about their bodies.
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I really don't care what Paul decides to call me.
I don't intend to quietly tolerate his revisionism,
though.

muriel
standard disclaimer