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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:48:48 EST
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From:         "Gerri Oppedisano (8-863-7225)" <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      What's the beef?

> I have never read of a case where congress is rescinding peer-reviewed
> research awards *because* those proposals don't sound scientific
>  Is that the reason why they have been rescinding peer-
> reviewed research awards?  I thought is was because of a decision to
> cut back on funding, because those proposals did not seem important
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> enough, or because they did not see the benefit of doing such research.
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>
>  | _  l  _  * Matthew Simpson          * BITNET:                      |

Isn't this the whole point in question though? If it isn't "science" it
isn't of value? I thought the issue here is because psych is generally
viewed as a pseudo-science and perhaps even a flakey field, research in
the field is generally viewed as not of benefit. Scientific merit does
hold its weight. If your point is that psychologists are not presenting
well, then maybe you have a point, but the problem seems that a mere
glance at the title of the proposal/paper/research can give an impression
of "valuable" or not based on how "scientific" it sounds (i.e.Sybil's
experience).

gerri
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Personal experience challenge

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:21:00 EDT <KMORGAN@WHEATNMA> said:
>        How about this personal example.....only it's really
>rather a public one:  The Behavioral Science Summits that APS
>sponsored for a few years, in order to develop the Human
>Capital Initiative.  There were quite a few reps there from
>Washington who told us all that we psychologists didn't know
>how to get along and play nice with one another, and that a
>lack of a unified front as scientists is part of why nobody in
>Congress was interested in funding psychological research.

Keeping with the original context of the challenge,...
The challenge re: examples was to cite an example that supports
the idea that "important decision-making people think psychology
is a pseudo-science, and therefore, we need to do more promotion
of psychology as a real science psych. 101 and in other public
realms."  In this example, the representatives displayed no indication
that they thought psychology was a pseudo-science.

I see this as supporting the idea that psychology needs to represent
themselves in congress as a united group of researchers, not a fragmented
group.  Psychology as a science is not in question here.  Psychology as
a political group *is* in question here.

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 |  \_l_/   * School of Psychology     * 054340@uottawa.bitnet        |
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:14:48 -0800
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Common-Sense Knowledge In Ps

Matthew Simpson writes:

> Utility
>is the key to catching the public eyes, over and above what we are currently
>doing.
>
>Have fun!
>
>O======================================================================O
> | _  l  _  * Matthew Simpson          * BITNET:                      |
> |  \_l_/   * School of Psychology     * 054340@uottawa.bitnet        |
> |    l     * 145 Jean Jacques Lussier * INTERNET:                    |
> |    l     * Ottawa, Ontario K1N 8P5  * 054340@acadvm1.uottawa.ca    |
>O======================================================================O

Agreed. Couldn't've said it better myself. I also think we need to lay out
on the table *exactly* how we arrive at our findings (both "good" and "bad"
ways of doing science) and also have greater public accountability for what
we do with their money.

Is it just me, or do I sense this particular debate winding down? (just in
time for the holidays?).

cheers,

Tor


Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX  78712

Phone: (512)-471-3241, Ext. 263

Internet:  TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
___________________________________________________

"To thy own self be true".             --- Walt Whitman

"No matter what you call it, it's all just a game".
                                                   --- Master Wong
                                 "Once upon a time in china"

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood and I, I took
 the road less traveled by, and that has made all the
 difference".                                 --- Robert Frost
___________________________________________________

Disclaimer:  All of the views expressed above are solely
those of the author. Any relationship between my own
views and those of the University of Texas and/or The
Computation Center at the University of Texas are
due merely to regression to the mean.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:35:31 -0800
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      quotes

Todd: Thanks for those amusing quotes from our lame duck prez and his
little boy veep--I'll be sure to read them over my potatoe dinner! :-)

For those who are interested and who have access to FTP, there's an amusing
freeware program called "Simbush" on, I believe, the UMichigan Macintosh
archives and possibly Sumex as well--it is a compilation of Bush speeches
with words randomly sampled out--and it's hilarious.

cheers,

Tor


Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX  78712

Phone: (512)-471-3241, Ext. 263

Internet:  TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
___________________________________________________

"To thy own self be true".             --- Walt Whitman

"No matter what you call it, it's all just a game".
                                                   --- Master Wong
                                 "Once upon a time in china"

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood and I, I took
 the road less traveled by, and that has made all the
 difference".                                 --- Robert Frost
___________________________________________________

Disclaimer:  All of the views expressed above are solely
those of the author. Any relationship between my own
views and those of the University of Texas and/or The
Computation Center at the University of Texas are
due merely to regression to the mean.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:40:51 -0800
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re:

Sunni writes:

>Dear Tor,
>        Quit picking on Jennifer. She is an experimental student, who also
>happens to be extremely caring and compassionate; and she would never look
>at a patient and say "I read such and such in Journal X, etc..." I happen
>to know her personally, she is a good friend, and the therapy field is losing
>a potentially great therapist. She does happen to be a very concientous
>researcher, so naturally her first concern is stats and references.

I'm trying to recollect what I wrote regarding Jennifer's posting and I
can't recall anything that I said in it that could be construed as
derogatory towards her, personally. I certainly apologize if anything I
said was taken that way. All I can say is that my intent was not to impugn
her compassion or her personality---or her at all, for that matter. Nor was
my intent to derogate her research strengths, either. I felt like what I
was commenting on was the content of her position vis a vis statistical
knowledge and its relationship to psychotherapy. Furthermore, I think I did
mention two hypothetically extreme exemplars to drive home the point I was
trying to make about the concept of statistics and research skills being
necessary, but not sufficient skills (in my own personal opinion, which is
no more or no less valid than anyone else's opinion) to perform excellent
psychotherapy.

However, if I've missed something offensive in my previous postings
regarding this issue, all I can say is that being offensive wasn't and
isn't my intent, but that I apologize anyway if anyone's feelings were
hurt.

thanks,

Tor




Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX  78712

Phone: (512)-471-3241, Ext. 263

Internet:  TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
___________________________________________________

"To thy own self be true".             --- Walt Whitman

"No matter what you call it, it's all just a game".
                                                   --- Master Wong
                                 "Once upon a time in china"

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood and I, I took
 the road less traveled by, and that has made all the
 difference".                                 --- Robert Frost
___________________________________________________

Disclaimer:  All of the views expressed above are solely
those of the author. Any relationship between my own
views and those of the University of Texas and/or The
Computation Center at the University of Texas are
due merely to regression to the mean.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:46:14 EST
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From:         jlbugg@UCCS.EDU

Patty,  would you personally want to be seen by a clinician (you are the
client in this picture) who doesn't know how to understand the methods
and statistical information in the articles being read on the treatments
being administered to you?

I wouldn't.  I would not want to spill my guts to someone who cannot
appropriately read information concerning biological theories and
treatments of mood disorders - if I'm real, real sad.
If I was cutting on myself, I wouldn't want a therapist who can't
examine the articles published with a critical eye on behavioral v.
cognitive therapies efficacy.
If I was suffering from rage tantrums, I would want someone who knew
that these could be caused from a head injury and I would want them
to know of some therapeutic alternatives.

Maybe you think that the "clinician" is able to treat via some
god-given store of therapeutic skill - but I'm not willing to let
myself or anyone I know be treated by those suffering from godless
leadership.

Jennifer (and I promise I'll shut up now).
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:09:06 -0800
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to fight a fire: a reminder

Matthew Simpson writes:

>Please do not fight fire with fire.  Flames die down when they hit the
>private lines.  The flames spread when they hit the list.
>
>What is a flame?  The Mission Statement reads...
>
>  5. Please do not flame (intentionally insult; publicly attack
>  individuals through the content of your postings or e-mail)
>  Try to provide rational behind your points when you disagree.
>  "It's okay to disagree with someone or their ideas.  It is not
>  okay to insult them." -Betty Harris
>
>If someone chooses to flame you, that person is already frowned
>upon by the majority.  So don't you worry.  People will not be thinking
>anything bad about you (the target of the attack).  They will think
>badly of the person who attacked you.  You need not save your face.
>
>If someone flames you, or you see someone flame another person, send
>the flamer a message stating your discontent.  If we all do this,
>flamers will have their personal mailboxes flooded.  Simultaneously,
>the flames would be publicly extinguished.
>
>Public responses to flames increase list noise.  This letter fits into
>that category, so I am sorry.  Let's close the damper on this topic
>now.  Have fun!
>
>O======================================================================O
> | _  l  _  * Matthew Simpson          * BITNET:                      |
> |  \_l_/   * School of Psychology     * 054340@uottawa.bitnet        |
> |    l     * 145 Jean Jacques Lussier * INTERNET:                    |
> |    l     * Ottawa, Ontario K1N 8P5  * 054340@acadvm1.uottawa.ca    |
>O======================================================================O

Matthew: You are 110% correct. I apologize to the entire list for wasting
their time in responding to an earlier posting in such an inflamatory
fashion.

Sincerely,

Tor


Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX  78712

Phone: (512)-471-3241, Ext. 263

Internet:  TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
___________________________________________________

"To thy own self be true".             --- Walt Whitman

"No matter what you call it, it's all just a game".
                                                   --- Master Wong
                                 "Once upon a time in china"

"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood and I, I took
 the road less traveled by, and that has made all the
 difference".                                 --- Robert Frost
___________________________________________________

Disclaimer:  All of the views expressed above are solely
those of the author. Any relationship between my own
views and those of the University of Texas and/or The
Computation Center at the University of Texas are
due merely to regression to the mean.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:05:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Not scientific enough

Sybil,
        You were fortunate ( "well at first when we saw this we
thought it was just another one of those behavioral things in
psychology then we looked at it more carefully and realized it
had some scientific merit after all"...)---others (esp. those
whose grants were recinded) were not.  So, you are right--I
disagree.  It DOES matter in some cases what the label is.
However, I also personally agree that I for one don't really
care that much, as long as the work is good.  Unfortunately,
the real world does seems to care.
        --Kathy Morgan
        kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:35:00 EST
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From:         "Todd.Nelson" <22817MGR@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: translating research finding

Tor,

I agree. We ARE a unique breed, more willing to get our hands dirty with such
'weighty' issues than are others.

Todd
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:06:41 -0700
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From:         "JOHN P. KLINE" <KLINE@ARIZVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: psycgrad

Hi Reza.
By virtue of the fact that I got this message, I assume that you already
figured out how to subscribe!

Cheers,
John Kline
KLINE@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:48:04 EST
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From:         jlbugg@UCCS.EDU
Subject:      Re: authorship

Oh, I'm so opinionated today.  In my social proseminar in social last
semester, our only assignment was to write a research proposal based
on lines of evidence from our professors work.  He stated to us flat
our that this was so he could get some fresh ideas for experiments.  Our
grade was an "A" if he thought it was a good idea and "B" if he wouldn't
use it.
Jen
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:27:21 EST
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject: Re: let's hear some opinions

I agree that if you are going to do a thesis or dissertation the research and
data collection should be done by you, but having someone enter data and
run the analyses that they are told to do is not much more than having someone
do your typing for you.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:41:51 EST
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From:         jlbugg@UCCS.EDU
Subject:      Re: What's new and exciting in Social Psych?

In response to John Kraft who suggested a look at Terror Mgmt Theory
as a new addition to social psych, I would have to concur - but
only because my social psych class was taught by Dr. Pyszczynski.

Interestingly, I found that Terror Mgmt. Theory not only encompasses
a variety of social psych findings (Festinger, Just World, Self-Ver (Swann),
etc.) but also accounts for some psychoanalytical findings (such as
and from my own paper, I believe it may explain certain characteristics
of clinical anomalies, such as self-mutilation and suicide.

Tom comes back from Germany in January - so if anyone would like to
begin a discussion on this topic - I'd be happy to ask the man at the
top.  He was highly influenced by the work of Ernst Becker, particularly
Death and Dying, and , oops, can't think of the title off the top of my
head.  He and his co-auths proclaim to have been sitting around one night
waxing Becker et al. and came up with the original ideafor TMT.  He also
plays in a local reggae band - and is really willing to chat with students.

So, although I am a sword biologician (yes I coined the term myself), I'd
love to hear comments on TMT on the one non-physio/cognitive topic o
which I can speak.


Jennifer (UCCS)

Oh, wait.  I also like to chat language development (but that's a whole
other show).
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:11:47 EST
From:         Cindy Cline <MCLCINDY@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      LSER Caption/Pattern

to: Shirley Coleman

How to code patterns for a monthly with 2 publications in April and
December?

I tried the following and it worked for me.

enumeration: v.                        numeric       1      y opac display
             no.    14 units per level numeric       1      y opac display
chronology:  (y)                         year     1992      y opac display
             (m)    12 units per level   month      01      y opac display
             (d)     2 units per level   day        01      n opac display

 ________________________________________________________________________
publication frequency=s day
day of month= 01 15
published=X  day=x

Season/Month/Week/Day: 0101 0201 0302 0401 0415 0501 0601 0701
                       0801 0901 1001 1101 1201 1215

This predicted the two issues for April and December, BUT whoever
does check-in will need to ignore the days that are predicted and that
they do not show in the OPAC if coded that way.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:28:51 -0500
From:         "JUDITH HOPKINS AT SUNY BUFFALO" <ULCJH@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Finding an appropriate forum for my research

Gary
   If my memory is correct the most recent issue of NOTISes contained a
list of the SIG chairs; it would seem to me that the OPAC SIG would be
the most likely to be interested in your findings.  Unfortunately I am
sending this message from home and the issue is at the office so I can't
tell you who the current chair is.

    Outside of NUGM there are several possible forums for your research.
One is PACS-L and/or its peered electronic journal: Public Access
Computer Systems Review.   That would be your quickest route to publication
but it is my understanding that tenure review committees still don't rate
ejournals as highly as print ones.

    For print I would suggest either College and Research Libraries or
The Journal of Academic Librarianship.  Also Computers in Libraries,
Information Technology and Libraries, or Library Resources & Technical
Services.

   Good luck!

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From: SAMSON@LIBRARY.UTA.EDU (Bob Samson)
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Subject: MDAS hook to holdings for suppressed records
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:12:04 GMT
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Priority:     normal
X-mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).

How to other MDAS sites deal with the problem of a hook to holding
for a suppressed record in your OPAC?  We've noticed that the hook to
holdings, being analogous to a staff-mode ISSN search, will often
indicate the Library has holdings for a specific title, but when the
patron enters the HO command from the MDAS database he gets a "No
Holdings Found" response because that particular title had been
suppressed in the OPAC and may not have holdings anymore.  This is
quite confusing for the typical user.

It seems to me that the best solution would be, dare I say, an
enhancement which would look at the D/S field after finding an ISSN
match.  In the interim, however, I'm wondering if anyone has come up
with a creative way to deal with this.

Many thanks for your response and happy holidays to all!


Bob Samson
Assistant Director for Automation Services
University of Texas at Arlington
University Libraries
P.O. Box 19497
Arlington, TX  76019

(817) 273-3000 x4955
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From:         Suzanna Lengyel <LENGYEL@YALEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Copy holdings and notation codes for universal messages

This in reply to Jeffrey Trimble's question.

I created a test record; entered into the Copy Level Notes field one of the
"exploding" codes, followed by |a um=universal message,
and both show on the OPAC.

We are in LMS 5.0.2.

Suzanna Lengyel.  Yale University Library Systems Office. (203) 432-1844.
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