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From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:26:24 GMT

In article <ges.20.0@boris.net.com>, ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug22.070147.27440@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
> >From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
> >Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
> >Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:01:47 GMT
> 
> >In article <1992Aug20.211923.10986@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> >|In article <1992Aug20.184250.24390@leland.Stanford.EDU>
> >|chuakh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Khenghwa Chua) writes:
> 
> >  ......
> >|
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> >More than 100 million Japanese? I don't think so. Do you really want
> >Deng Xiaoping to apologize to the Chinese people on behalf of the
> >Chinese people because XXX million died in civil wars and famines
> >in China? This is the funniest joke I have ever heard.
> 
> The continued agression by the chinese against other coutries and
> other races is well documented. This aggression will be going on
> as you read this posting, it will still be going on after you have
> read this posting and it will still be going on after you forgotten 
> about this posting. People can ask the chinese to apologize - and the
> chinese may apopogize if they wished to - but it wouldn't mean a thing.
> They will keep on making their own lives and more importantly other peoples'
> lives a misery. As someone once said "It is in the blood."

The belief that there are specific characteristics associated with specific
races is racist and very dangerous. If one takes the belief that negative
characteristics are associated with one race, then the logical extension of
that belief is that positive characteristics may be associated with other races.
Therefore, we arrive at the notion of a 'MASTER RACE' and other inferior races
which make "their own lives and more importantly other peoples' lives a misery."
Moreover, there is no hope for these 'inferior races as "It is in the blood."
That sounds very much like the philosophy of the Nazis who were the 'master
race' and who used the same doctrine to murder 6 million Jews. That sounds
like something a White supremist would say in South Africa - "The blacks
are like beasts, they would not know how to take care of themselves, its in
their blood." That sounds like something the Chinese themselves would have said
some 2000 years ago - "The barbarians are like animals, etc".

Edmund
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 22 Aug 92 07:21:19 GMT
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics

In article <1992Aug21.060239.23144@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
   .....
|
|What I'm saying is that the Chinese are hypocritical savages.  As
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There he goes again. This is what I call a naked bigotry. I don't
think anyone can reason with this person.

I CAN'T STOMACH YOUR BIGOTRY AND YOUR MENTAL-MASTURBATIONS THAT
CHINESE ARE HYPOCRITICAL SAVAGES.



--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:48:57 GMT

In article <l9kq4kINNfou@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...) writes:
>
>	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
>	> I do not make attacks, generally, directed at a particular person.
>	> This, again, is in stark contrast to standard Chinese-cu practice.
>	> If a Chinese-cu doesn't like what you say, then he calls you "j*p",
>	> "f*cker", "bored chinese who has got nothing betterto do", etc.
>
>But Dwight that is *EXACTLY* what you do. When you don't like what
>a Chinese person says, you call them twits, baboons, savages and
>barbarians.

Ms. Nordstrum, "Chinese person" is singular.  "Them" is plural.
"Them" does not refer to a specific individual.  Hence, I am not
directing my comments at a specific person.

If "Chinese person" is not a "Chinese-cu person", then my comment
doesn't apply.  However, if the "Chinese person" is a "Chinese-cu
person", then my comment applies.

>
>Of course you try to hide it by saying you're directing your comments
>at the entire Chinese population instead of specific individuals. It
>doesn't fool anybody.

We have to distinguish between Chinese-cu and Chinese-ge.  My comments
apply to the Chinese-cu population but _not_ to the non-Chinese-cu
Chinese-ge population.

An example of a person from the Chinese-cu population is
Ken Tang (ken@hprpausr.rose.hp.com).  He sent me the following mail today.
"hee hee ...  [Dwight, you are a twisted asshole] I know what you are trying to
hide; I have many friends at Stanford."

An example of a person _possibly_ from the non-Chinese-cu Chinese-ge
population is ** ** **** (*******@*****.**.******.***.**).  The identity has
been removed for reasons of confidentiality.  This person wrote by e-mail,
"I tried to understand your stand and offer my advice.  I believe in
peace and harmony.  I believe that there is good in every one."

If I were ever forced to choose between the life of a Chinese-cu
like Ken Tang and the life of ** ** ****, I would choose ** ** ****.
I agree with ** ** **** that human life, in itself, is valuable.
But if, for some reason, I _had_ to choose, I would choose someone
like ** ** **** rather than a Nazi or a Chinese-cu.

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From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Scientific MEthods (was Re: Open letter to GMT)
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:58:36 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

Finally I think Tom Frauenhofer provided very reasonable argument about this.
Thanks a lot.

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim                                                         
         kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:10:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.214055.14382@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
>> > Interesting enougn, you can find most Korean males are also heavy smokers.
>> > And one more thing, most of the male Koreans wear sneakers in a different
>> > way than usual. The rear part of sneakers are always treaded flat
>> 		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>It shows how sloppy the South Koreans are.

(1) Smoking.  They want to die early.  Let them.  Somebody email me a cigar?
(2) Regarding "The rear part of sneakers are always treaded flat."  Do
 they really do that?   If so, any particular reason why?  Even if that is
 the case, who cares?  Why netter Ter-Yuan Lee should care about it?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: deb5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Daniel von Brighoff)
Subject: More Cultural Questions...
Keywords:  "The Grass Roof"
Reply-To: deb5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:40:42 GMT

Hey netters!
	I'm back with more cultural questions (and i'll probably keep coming
back with them for at least as long as i'm reading Kang Chung-Pa's "The
Grass Roof" about life in Korea in the early years of Japanese occupation.
	One problem with the book is that Kang uses a highly idiosyncratic
transcription for Korean words.  Drum (Puk in M-R) comes out as "boob," for
example.  As a result, i've had trouble looking up things he mentions.
These include:
	Yoon-Chi Tree
	the game of "mukdong" (seems to involve pitching pennies)
	Soo-yoo berries
	the Kumoonko (a musical instrument) 
If anyone can tell me what these things are, or at least give me the proper
MOE or M-R transcription so i can look them up myself, i'd greatly 
appreciate it.  Oh, and does anyone know if his strange transcriptions have
anything to do with him being from the north (the province is never 
mentioned by name)?
	Also, are there any survivals of the kisaeng and mudang (Korean
geisha and female shaman, respectively) in modern Korea?  I think that
mainly women visit the mudang, which is why my male Korean friends claim
to know nothing about her.
	Thanks a baengman!

-- 
	Daniel "Da" von Brighoff (deb5@midway.uchicago.edu)  /\
	951 E. 54th Place				    /__\
	Chicago, IL  60637				   /____\
							  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: myung@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au 
Subject: Just-test
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:20:36 GMT

Hi 
just test
Bye
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: Korean diplomacy twds. China
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:36:57 GMT

In article <78246@ut-emx.uucp> zing@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Leon Z. Lee) writes:
>
>If it is any consolation to the ROC, Korea has been a faithful ally
>with the Chinese for the past 50 years...which is the best track record
>than any other nation could come close to.  Remember how the British dumped
>the ROC in order to keep their colony of HK, remember how Japan dumped
>the ROC to secure better investments on the mainland, remember how the
>US dumped the ROC to use mainland china as a pawn in the Cold War ?
>Given this record....the Koreans have been more than faithful and
>patient with the ROC.

Wrong. South Korea were *forced* to do this just because of the ideological
differences and the northern threats. It's not like the *faithful* 
things you claimed. As long as S Koreans had gotten the chance to make
peace with N. Korean and China, she would have hastened to get on
the bus to Beijing. 

Get a life. Nothing in international affairs can be described as *faithful*:
all things are based on *interests*. Please don't put cosmetics on 
these things to beautify yourselves; that makes me puke.



Wen-Chun Ni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: slee@eng.auburn.edu (Sanguk Lee)
Subject: Be calm and think please!!!!
Reply-To: slee@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:59:01 GMT

Dear all;

	Let's calm down and think about what has been done around us!
Noting can help us to be away from never ending qurrel except for considering
the situation in a point of view of the other side.
Please, don't make this situation wider up to relationship between korean and
chinese(Mainland or Tiwanese).
It's just political business between regimes not beween peoples.
Another thing we need to keep in mind is that extreme cold war and ideology
has been fading out.
Let's just quit childish combat.
Friedship between Korean and you chinese will continue on forever.
Don't spoil good relationship we've had due to small thing in politics which 
is dirty sometimes.
Be wise!

			4325. 9. 1.

					Sanguk Lee
From: eep1kc@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK (K Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: test
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:11:53 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England

This is a test!
Ignore please.
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: HanGul Internet BBSes in Korea
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:38:04 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Aug27.212620.3287@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:

>P.S. sun330.snu.ac.kr and ara.kaist.ac.kr are so nice and pleasent
>to play with. I have never though that I could login those BBS
>from USA. It was a wonder to read korean posting on my PC screen
>at home. Also I felt that I were in korea. So fresh and practical.
>kids.kotel.co.kr has never let me login so far. What is happeng
>on that machine?

Kids.kotel.co.kr(login kids) is the first and the most active HanGul 
Internet BBS in Korea.  But due to the recent reorganization of Korean 
Internet NIC, the routing table is somewhat screw up so that those in the 
outside KT can't access kids.  I am sure it'll be straightened out sooner 
or later.

-- 
----
Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 25 Aug 92 02:51 PDT
Subject: Re: Korean diplomacy twds. China
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1473700028:cdp:1473700034:000:958
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 25 02:51:00 1992


Dear Jing Hiang,

By geography Korea simply is a peripheral country to China. Some here (in Korea
) describe this situation like being "a shrimp between two whales".

The second and third paragraph makes me happy. I am actually sure, that in
China you find a majority of people, who share your views as well as you
find similar people in Korea and elsewhere.

However, in the history usually not the majority of people determined, what
happend between their states. Today I tried to beef up my knowledge from
some history books (for my fight with "The Terminator" :-)  ), and sometimes
I had to ask myself, who they where, those "China" and "Silla", who unitedly
turned against "Kogutyo". Especially the Korean kingoms where governed by
a thin aristocratic layer, the majority had to feed those guys.

Fortunately things are a little bit different now. If your voice and the voice
of others would be heared, than I am wrong. That would be great.

Bye, Goetz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: Re2: Iyagi4.3 and its full documents available
Keywords: hangul iyagi50.exe i43.zip
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:27:34 GMT

In article <leejuney.714798833@acf9> leejuney@acf9.nyu.edu (June-Yub LEE) writes:

>I got "iyagi50.exe" from garam.kreonet.re.kr and 
>noticed that there is no documentation in the package.
>You might want to get i43.zip even though you have iyagi50.exe.

In Korea, iyagi5.0 manual is sold by a publishing company and the book
comes with the software itself. Much like MINIX or GNU selling manuals.
This may be the reason why there is no documentaion for ver 5.0.

Just a thought ..
-- 
----
Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 03:26:21 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep3.173000.11278@news.acns.nwu.edu> park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:
>Hmm .. you better get hvi(or kvi) which is a modified version of vi and
>it shows HanGul in any mode correctly if you use it on hanterm.

	I already have jstevie (vi clone modified for Japanese,
	and other languages..); but I just wanted to tell that
	you can edit & creat Hangul files using /usr/ucb/vi.

	As I posted earlier, the only difference I saw was in insert mode.
	But it saves as is; so no problem creating Hangul files.
	Both (vi & jstevie) require stty pass8 to push MSB thru your
	tty to your editor.

>you can set pager option in .elm/elmrc file from 'builtin+' to 'more',

	I thought the pager is suppoed to be used only if it goes more than
	a page (I might be wrong; but if so, small mail won't go thru
	pager optin).

	Well, I don't know what ISO Hangul is but it must not
	be using the sign-bit; then, how will it be differentiated
	with ASCII.

	Anyway, let me download hcode and look into it.
	And see if it can take any form and pick up ISO/ASCII
	and do the correct action automatically: i.e.
	show normal mail as normal; show Hangul as hangul
	w/o any pre-knowlede of the format.

	BTW, I don't have any ISO hangul file; can anyone
	send me in uuencoded file of that?  Please?
	O.K. Here's my reward for that; my hacked-lots-of-bug-fixed version of
	pcomm for SunOS (with xyzmodem) - PC Procom clone.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
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From: s8923098@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:49:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.072618.25371@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
|In article <1992Aug26.062624.28583@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
|u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
|>...
|>The belief that there are specific characteristics associated with specific
|>races is racist and very dangerous.
|
|I agree with this.  I too think that a racist is one
|who believes that genetics determines behavior.  For example,
|a racist is one who believes that _ethnicity_ (genetics) determines
|_culture_ (behavior).

Culture is more closely associated with tradition than individual
behaviours. In fact, a racist is someone who believes certain
culture _and_ ethnicity will produce a standard behaviour in every
single member of that culture or ethnic group. A racist, for example,
believes that all Muslims are violent and are willing to kill other
people to defend their faith, therefore people from countries where
there is a Muslim majority are violenmta
 
|
|A racist insists that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge.

A person who adopts Chinese-culture and tradition (eg. celebrating 
Lunar New Year) is more likely to have Chinese ancestors. So
Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge in 99% of  cases. What is so racist
with that?. Note the above relationship is not commutative.
A person of Chinese origin may throw away Chinese culture altogether.
But whether you like it or not, they are still called Chinese by 
the non-Chinese. I have met many ABC's (Australian born Chinese)
who do not practise Chinese culture but still declare themselves
to be Chinese and are still called Chinese (and 'Australian' is
sometimes added as adjective or modifier) by their non-Chinese
friends. The same goes for Australian born Italians and Greeks and
there are an awful lot of them here.
 
--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jungjk@unixg.ubc.ca (Jinki Jung)
Subject: Re: Iyagi4.3 and its full documents available at mtsg.ubc.ca(dir: br16) 
Keywords: hangul iyagi50.exe i43.zip
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:12:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.210819.4007@news.acns.nwu.edu> park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.070803.22410@unixg.ubc.ca> jungjk@unixg.ubc.ca (Jinki Jung) writes:
>
>>	ftp mtsg.ubc.ca
>>	login: anonymous
>>	password: your e-mail address 
>>	cd br16
>>	binary
>>	get i43.zip 
>>	bye
>
>This is very nice of you but the latest version of iyagi is 5.x.
>And can be found in kum.kaist.ac.kr.   Can you please put the newest
>version to the above site or should I do ?  :-)
>
>Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
>Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
>Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.



	I like 4.3 version only because it comes with document. 
	Sometime, there lives people who like old stuff.

	
				   jung, jinki (jungjk@unixg.ubc.ca) 
						^^
						t
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:07 PDT
Subject: Re: Look ! Stupid Taiwanese !!
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug29.234149.58506@cc.usu.ed:322086517:cdp:1473700039:000:685
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 30 03:07:00 1992


Now it really seems to get dirty. Please read soc.culture.taiwan carefully,
You won't find too many ROK bashers using words containing "*". Actually some
"Taiwanese" even show understanding for ROK's decision. Some now even feel,
that Taiwan now is less restricted in its dealings with Korea.

Whatsoever, ROC bashing as a response to ROK bashing as a response to .... etc.
probably is not too helpful. The bashers just show, that they have about the
same level as the bashed.

My respect to those Chinese and Koreans, from whom (as an ignorant longnose
or bignose) I can really learn something about what is going on between
Korea and Taiwan (and China).

bye, Goetz
Seoul 1992/08/30

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou)
Subject: Re: One question to netters from ROC ..
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 02:41:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.012803.16747@news.acns.nwu.edu> park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:
>I just want to ask one question to netters from ROC.
>If cutting realtion with ROK by ROC is in some way helpful to the recovery
>of main land(presumably the ultimate official goal of ROC gov), would you
>support such a decision by ROC government ?
>

Taiwan is suffocating from the lack of breathing room
in international diplomacy.  Why would strengthening China
be any reason for Taiwan to increase international isolation?
Who would want to be abandoned and betrayed by long time
friends when he/she has hardly any friends to begin with?
KMT may have its fairy tales of regaining power in China,
but they are just fairy tales.

What the South Korea government should have done was dual
recognition of both Taiwan and China on equal grounds,
based on the political and economic reality, despite KMT's
claims over China and Mongolia.

Pai
From: morris@walet.physics.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Pride and arrogance
Keywords: Korean and pride
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:28:38 GMT
Followup-To: STUPID TAIWANESE
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Physics Department

I think Mr.Park's article was a bit rude.

Please, does that mean I can generalise that Koreans are rude

when it comes to defending their Mother-land?

Morris

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