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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1685868D7.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> <1992Sep4.193712.26977@news.nd.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.193712.26977@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@twain.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

   In article <1685868D7.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
   >In article <1992Sep3.135226.15911@news.nd.edu>
   >rszczerb@chekov.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
   >>I'm just curious ... are you practicing your excuses for when
   >>ND beats Michigan in two weeks.  I have faith in you Bill, I'm
   >>sure you'll come up with something really remarkable to place
   >>the blame on.  I'm looking forward to reading it.
   >
   >Okay, I suggest we start a Schembechler pool, named after the
   >famous Woody Hayes impersonator from Michigan who never saw an
   >excuse he didn't like.
   >
   >Here is my prognostication for Bill Mangione-Smith's excuse when
   >Notre Dame beats Michigan this year:
   > "Well, if'n they'd just had DuBose, we would have beaten them.
   >  That backup guy came off the bench and had something to prove.
   >  Isn't that a violation of some sort?  I mean we are 14-9 against
   >  them.  And what about religion?  That isn't fair.  And they were
   >  at home, which is patently unfair."

   Let's start a thread of great Michigan excuses for the ND game:

   How about: 

	   - Those damn golden helmets kept reflecting the sun
	     into the Michigan players eyes so they couldn't make
	     the tackles.

Where does all of this pomposity come from?  Look, its not like you guys have
either a winning streak or lead in the series going for you!  Sheesh...
Imagine South Bend if they finally start to *win* some!

Bill
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From: hunter@wpi.WPI.EDU (George M. Berberian)
Subject: BC vs Rutgers
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:35:50 GMT

The seasons finally here! 
                          
       Foley just hit Miller for six and the point after is good with 2 minutes       left to go in the first half. 
       
             BC-17   Rutgers-7

       Watching this game, i would NOT count the Knights out yet.
       Fortay is looking good, hes running alot with the ball, and
       a few surprise passes are going to get Rutgers right back in
       the thick of it.
       The winner of this game is going to depend on which coach can
       adjust better after halftime is over.
       
       This posting started out as just a test.
             
            
       


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hunter@wpi.wpi.edu (email)                       Worcester Polytechnic Inst.
GOOOOOO....PATS 11-5 in 92                          Worcester, Massachusetts
From: laura@sdd.hp.com (Laura Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
Date: 11 Sep 1992 15:54:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl141.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Sep11.010109.22182@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
|> As I watch tonight's game (9/10) between San Diego St. and BYU, I
|> see that the BYU fans are calling their team the most hated in America.
|> Huh?? I can think of 10 or more teams that I hate more than BYU. Just
|> what is BYU thinking??? Anyone from BYU care to comment???


I guess I'll read the article like everyone says, although I think the 
mailman stole my college preview issue, so I'll have to wait.

Anyway, the espn sportsguy on t.v. said they were most hated for 
winning 17 straight at home, x straight WAC titles, and various other
achievments that in my opinion may make them hated in the WAC or maybe
on the west coast, but not in the nation.  In fact, I was in the San Diego
Sports Museum last week and the last time that BYU won a holiday bowl
was 5 or 6 years ago.  They may HAVE BEEN (Go Aztecs!!) king in the
WAC, but I believe it stops there.

Laura Mansfield
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 09 Sep 92 05:02:09 CST
From:         Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      r.s.f.c. Top 25 poll - now taking entries
Newsgroups:   rec.sport.football.college


I went to the Nebraska-Utah game this weekend and got back in town
last night, so this post is coming a little late.

I will take your entries for the newsgroup poll until tomorrow
night (Wednesday night) and will post Thursday.

Here's the same old details in brief....

1) my email address is c31801ag@wuvmd.wustl.edu

2) you can send me up to your top 25 picks, if you don't want to
   send that many, i will still score them.

3) your entry should look like an entry into Chris Stassen's cfpool
   (a sample follows)...

# $
# Miami, Florida
# Washington
# (twenty three more lines like this)

4) use the same names for teams as I use in my power ratings posting,
   it makes things real easy for me.

hope to hear from you,
Bapi
From: greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn Green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: So, has the Purdue bandwagon started?
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:34:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep14.171332.19862@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>I hate bandwagon fans!!!

Hey!  Maybe we're not *all* rabid enough to want to shell out $54 to see our
team get beat by weak teams and humiliated by strong ones, as was the
custom under Akers.  If the tix were free, I'd go no matter what.  Generally
I don't like fair weather fans either, but given that I have a *very* limited
income, I'm not going to pay to see a team that hasn't a prayer of a .500
season.  After all, $54 buys a lot of beer.  :-)


Shawn Green
greens@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:40:31 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) wrote:
}
}                                                      Of course, ND is the
}only school that can even think about pulling traditional rank on OU.

Hmph!  You seem to be forgetting:

    U      U
    U    A U     The University of Alabama              |   Home of the 
    U   A AU        NATIONAL CHAMPIONS                  |   winningest coach
    U  A   A    '25,'26,'30,'34,'61,'64,'65,'73,'78,'79 |   in major college
    U A    UA                                           |   football history
    U AAAAAAA    All-time leader in bowl wins: 24       ----------------------
    U A    UA
     UA   U A  Wins in the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, and Orange Bowl
      AUUU  A
      A     A  Highest winning percentage in modern football era: 1922-present

etc.

(Next we'll be hearing from the damned Trojans.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
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From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: ND vs. Michigan
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:34:28 GMT

>But then again, i wasn't overly impressed with Chris Collinsworth at all, so I
>would not find it surprising if he didn't just plain mess this up.

ah, yes.  i forgot to flame cris collinsworth in the process of dealing with
the chickenshit way holtz finished the game.

collinsworth was ... well, my question is simply:  what was he doing in the
booth?  he made bill walsh in the booth seem positively enticing, and i
never thought i'd hear anyone say that, least of all me.  this is supposed
to be a premier nbc sports package, and it has been really bottom-shelved in
terms of staff.  i was expecting enberg and someone at least competent, if
not noteworthy of name.  i'm not saying enberg is the best announcer in the
world, but a notre dame college football game seems like the proper place
for his level of enthusiasm and knowledge.

oh, well.  the announcers (except for the reporter who did his best to
immediately grill holtz and stuck with it somewhat while holtz started
stalking off ... can't remember that hairspray addict's name!) were actually
one of the less disappointing components of one of the most disappointing
endings ever to a college football game.  if notre dame and michigan both go
undefeated-once tied this year, expect michigan to get the nod.

>	- Pat

-johndoe
From: garrick@kpc.com (Garrick Le)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Pac 10 prediction for 1992
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:32:53 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer


This year, Pac 10 the conference of champions fields
4 very good teams which will contend for the league 's
title and a trip to Pasadena,namely Washington,Cal,
Stanford and UCLA (Originally I had USC in my list
but not any more after the SDSU game).
Among the 4 afore-mentioned ones,Stanford seems to be
the least offensively potent albeit they have a strong
solid defense.Washington looks uninspiring in their
season opener against ASU.UCLA I haven't seen but Cal 
looks the most impressive thus far.They (Cal) looks
just as good as the team last year except their rush
defense looks even better.However their schedule is
tough on the road with trips to Kansas,USC and Washington.
If Cal can get a win at KU,it will be a momentum builder
for the team as they face a much tougher task @Washington.
If QB Barr is poised enough,they can overcome adversities
and win on the road.
My prediction: Cal will beat UCLA and Washington this
season to go to the Rose bowl,a task they have not
accomplished in a long long time.However,I also predict
that Cal will be upset in Berkeley by Stanford .


Go Bears,Go Cardinal ;-)))

Garrick

PS: Here are my predicted order of finish in Pac 10:

 Cal 10-1
 Was 10-1 (lose in tiebreaker to Cal)
 UCLA 9-2
 Stan 7-4
 USC  6-5
Forget about the bottom 5 ;-))))

Just my thoughts ... no flame please !!!
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: ACC Games this week.
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:07:43 GMT

In article <67911@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>}Virginia				1-0-0	1-0-0
>
>I told you they'd score 28 points!  ;-)

Right you were Mark! The game did go as I expected, though - UVa started
off slow and then got it together in the second half. 

 I predicted:
>}VIRGINIA AT NAVY: 
>}Virginia 30 Navy 14
>
>You're still underestimating the Wahoos - even on the road I think they'll
>put up big numbers against Navy, say UVa 37, Navy 17.

Is that a promise again? :-) I'd certainly be happy with that, but 
remember UVa only beat Navy by 1 TD last year (17-10, I think). I 
was at the game - it was ugly. 


-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ucla
Date: 15 Sep 1992 15:09:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

In article <195hifINN2mt@agate.berkeley.edu> ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>
>     Who will be the next Ucla QB after Wayne Cooke is out for the year.

A fellow with the name Rob Walker (a redshirt freshman),with another freshman
backing him up...

Fight On,
Valdis


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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Heisman (Was Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:59:41 GMT

I think I already know the answer to this, but a few years ago, Tony Rice
was a front-runner in the Heisman race (despite unspectacular stats) because
he was the leader of an undefeated team.

Why are Billy Joe Hobert and Gino Torretta (especially) not Heisman favorites?

GT
From: rszczerb@goethe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Keywords: Holtz, sucks, wimp
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:49:03 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Sep14.040848.12093@en.ecn.purdue.edu> lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson) writes:
>I think you have to take into account that this game was early on in the
>season, and that both teams were "feeling themselves out."
>Michigan looked superior to ND, IMO, but Grbac blew it.  If I didn't know 
>any better I would say that he and Pete Rose have been talking...


I really don't think Michigan looked superior to ND by any means.  ND
fumbled the ball 3 times in key situations which probably would
have resulted in Irish scores.  Likewise, Michigan threw three
interceptions which could have resulted in Michigan scores.  Both
teams had chances to win, and both definitely had many 
chances to lose.  Because of this, I think a tie was the only
appropriate way to end the game ... but I still would have liked
to see ND win it.

			-  Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: garrick@kpc.com (Garrick Le)
Subject: testing only ...please ignore
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:09:09 GMT
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: (another) coaching move rumor
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:35:02 GMT
	<lafr3lINNi1d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Sep7.142518.16195@seas.smu.edu>
	<ncovey.715891819@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <ncovey.715891819@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey) writes:
}} 
}} Well, Broyles did coach him and Fred Akers for that matter, who I think
}} is also free to coach.

Nah, Akers costs a lot, and I wouldn't call what he did "coaching."
Maybe he's reduced his prices after his horrible stint at Purdue.

Seriously, yes, I think Akers is still available.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                    ect. is meaningless; etc. == et cetera

        "...the probability of a puttering nutcase slaving alone in his
         workshop actually developing fundamentally new technology is
                     practically nil..."  -- John DeArmond
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BYU-SDSU Predictions
Keywords: n
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:46:15 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Amoco Production

In article <RFARR.4.0@> RFARR@ (Rich Farr) writes:
>Anyone dare to make a prediction on tonights BYU-San Diego State game.  
>Remember, keep the numbers high<g>.

SDSU 48 - BYU 27

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:23:11 GMT

In article <79605@ut-emx.uucp> l0c99@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>My impressions of the ND and Michigan game are:
>
>1) ND was simply lucky to tie the game -- well, God was on its side, as 
>   always.
>
>2) Michigan: a bad call and a BAD pass threw the game away by Michigan
>
>3) Lou Holtz simpky sucks -- he did not even want to win the game!
>
>4) Both teams are way overated.
>
>Bob
>

First of all, BOTH teams had great chances to win the game and
both teams blew it.  ND fumbled 3 times in key situations that
could have resulted in ND scores.  Michigan gave up three interceptions
that should also have resulted in scores.  BOTH teams made big
mistakes in the game and neither team really deserved to win. 
A tie seemed to be the only fitting outcome.

As for Holtz' coaching.  I would have LOVED to see Mirer try
for the win, but I can also see Holtz point of view.  ND just
battled back from being 10 points down, and had the ball deep
in their own territory.  An interception could have handed the
game to Michigan and wipped out a great comeback.  Nobody wants
a tie, but it's still better that a loss.  Still, I wish Holtz
had given Mirer and  his offense the chance to pull out the win.

			- Rob

 
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From: ohmann@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (DDD)
Subject: Re: Collingsworth
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:22:59 GMT

If I'm not mistaken, he played for the Florida Gators back when
they had their first streak of four losses to the 'Noles (late 70's).
(Not during the Gators latest streak of four losses to the 'Noles (late 80's)).

Sorry Gators, couldn't resist.

-- 
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Robert Smith/OSU's crushing of Louisville
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:31:07 GMT

Mark Atchison writes:

>Also, did you notice that on some passing downs, we actually used a straight
>drop for once, instead of rhetorical play-action on every pass.  

This one always got me.  What kind of an idiot defender is going to bite on a 
fake handoff on third and 15?

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ------------ Some things are still a mystery to me -
- Ohio Wesleyan University ----------- While others are much too clear! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -----------------------------------------
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Roger's Top 25--14 Sep
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 15 Sep 1992 18:44 EST  

Well, 3 weeks in and we're beginning to even out.  I'm actually surprised (
and almost embarrassed) at how closely my rankings match the AP.  Ah well, 
that'll change as the season wears on.

Team			Weight
----			------
1 Miami Fl (1-0)	2.4
2 Washington (2-0)	2.2	Game of the Week: 	2 Washington
3 Florida (1-0)		2.1				vs
4 Florida St (2-0)	2.1			 	11 Nebraska
5 Michigan (0-0-1)	2.0
6 Texas A&M (3-0)	1.9	Alternate:		3 Florida
7 Notre Dame (1-0-1)	1.9			    	vs
8 Syracuse (2-0)	1.9				15 Tennessee
9 Penn State (2-0)	1.9
10 Alabama (2-0)	1.8	Ugly Game of the Week: 	10 Alabama
11 Nebraska (2-0)	1.8				vs
12 Oklahoma (2-0)	1.7				92 Arkansas
13 Colorado (2-0)	1.7
14 UCLA (1-0)		1.7	Media Bias
15 Tennessee (2-0)	1.7	Winner of the Week:	28 N C State (AP16)
16 Clemson (1-1)	1.6
17 Ohio State (2-0)	1.6	Media Bias
18 Georgia Tech (1-0)	1.5	Loser of the Week:	25 California
19 Virginia (2-0)	1.5				   (AP Nuthin',
20 North Carolina (2-0)	1.5				not even Others
21 Georgia (1-1)	1.5				Receiving Votes)
22 Indiana (1-0)	1.5
23 Southern Cal (0-0-1)	1.4
24 Stanford (1-1)	1.4
25 California (1-1)	1.4

Well, it's pretty obvious that there are some in the 20-25 range who are 
just waiting to fall out--in particular, I can almost guarantee Cal won't 
appear next week, and USC is in real danger as well.  North Carolina may 
have been too highly rated to begin with, and their first opponent (Wake 
Forest) was weighted much too heavily.  The Tar Heels go against #81 Army 
this week, and therefore may slip a little, but I expect them to hold on to 
a Top 25 spot until they meet NC State next week.  If the pack can stay 
close this week against FSU, the North Carolina game may be the thing to 
propel them back into the rankings.

The Bottom Ten:

Team			Weight
----			------
98 Southern Miss (1-1)	0.5
99 W Michigan (0-1-1)	0.4
100 New Mexico (1-1)	0.4
101 Maryland (0-2)	0.4
102 Northern Ill (1-1)	0.4	Crummy Game of the Week: 102 Northern Ill
103 Colorado St (0-2)	0.4				 vs
104 Northwestern (0-2)	0.4				 107 Arkansas St
105 Kent (0-2)		0.3			It don't get much worse
106 South Carolina(0-2)	0.3			than this.
107 Arkansas St (0-2)	0.2

They're all still in the positives, but that can't go on much longer.  
Also note that some of these teams have actually WON a game already.  
Southern Miss and New Mexico in particular (I know, I said this last week) 
are not really this bad.  A win over SMU could lift New Mexico--I don't 
give Southern Miss a real good chance against No 41 (!) Louisiana Tech.

R Dendy
From: kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cal flattens SJSU
Date: 6 Sep 1992 04:10:37 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.42

In article <DPASSAGE.92Sep5193248@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU> dpassage@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (David Paschich) writes:
>The important numbers for the afternoon:
>
>Cal 		46
>San Jose State	16
>Russell White	216 yards
>
>Need I say more?
>
>I didn't think so.

Well, you might also want to add that Cal held an opponent under 200 yards
total offense for the first time since '88.  While racking up over 500 yards
themselves.  And White's 216 yards came on just 19 carries.  Oh...and Cal
also held SJSU to negative yards rushing (this includes sacks).  Very
impressive.

 - kevin
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: New rsfc Poll?
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:37:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia


Since I missed the rules and everything for submitting to the preseason
rsfc poll, could someone please email them to me this week?

God, I sure am glad this newsfroup has something to talk about now.....

Maybe now Citadel will get some respect!@

-rob
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: BYU - America's Most Hated Team???
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:14:50 GMT
	<19508@ector.cs.purdue.edu> <1992Sep13.201804.27028@tamsun.tamu.edu>
	<19513@ector.cs.purdue.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


I forgot to mention:  the godless Purdue squad manages to block an
extra point.  That accounts for the 34 (rather than 35) points in the
final score for Jesus and ND.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I won one game, three to two, too.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Subject: Re: CFPOOL: Week #1 results
Keywords: n
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:05:21 GMT

Have I missed the CFPOOL Week #2 entry?

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
"The 'wall of separation of church and state' is a metaphor based on bad
 history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging.  It should
 be frankly and explicity abandoned." - Chief Justice William Rehnquist
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