HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: arne@spdcc.com (Arne Adolphson)
Subject: CMU (again)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:54:33 GMT

As I suspected all along, there's been an element of exaggeration
concerning "Black Monday" at Carnegie Mellon.  It was alleged
that all 16 of the second-year students who were cut from CMU's 
acting program in 1981 (and keep in mind that 15 or 16 students 
are *always* cut after the second year) were (effeminate) gay 
men or overweight women.  I had heard independently that only a
couple of the men who were cut were gay (I didn't inquire about 
the overweight women) and so was disinclined to believe stories 
of an anti-gay witchhunt.  Well, I finally read the Theater Week 
article that started this thread, and this is the breakdown of
the 16 students who were cut that was given there:

     1) "One girl" who was 30 pounds overweight;
     2) another "girl" who was 40 pounds overweight;
     3) yet another "girl" (whose weight is not remarked on) who
           had a B+ in her acting class as of the midterm;
     4) an effeminate "young man";
     5) his best friend, also gay and effeminate;
     6) the gay man who wrote the article (which, btw, is
           illustrated with a photo of the author in drag);
           there's a distinct possibility that the author is
           the best friend already mentioned.

And that's it.  Two overweight "girls", three (but possibly
only two) gay men, and a "girl" who had a B+ in her acting
class as of the midterm.  There's absolutely nothing about the
other ten (or eleven) students who were cut.  If they were
all gay men or overweight women, it would have added force to 
Scanlan's argument and his whiney tone and victim stance would
have been easier to take.

Arne

Xref: sparky soc.motss:47775 alt.politics.homosexuality:7269 co.politics:2058
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:58:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Nov16.155805.1529
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <RHAYDEN.92Nov14170015@hqsun2.oracle.com> rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden) writes:
>
>It seems to me that to fire the gay employee in this circumstance
>would be to say, "Hey, they're not after ME, so I'll just get rid of
>you, let business get better, and regain the privileges I enjoy as a
>member of society who is not discriminated against..."

no, it will just let me pay my bills.

>--
>
>  - Ronald Hayden
>
AAP
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk Johanning)
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:07:38 GMT
Organization: HP Response Center Atlanta

In <74375@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:

>He is indeed cute.  However, my credibility on this matter was/is filtered
>by the magic of chianti. Therefore, I am not to be trusted.

>You could always ask Matthew about that surly waiter we had.  He was neither
>cute nor personable.  

Ok, Matthew, what about that surly waiter you had??
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                                             else for that matter.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:48316 rec.pets.cats:13840
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
Subject: gayfolk and cats
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:52:54 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum


My office occupies a spare bedroom at the back of the house.  The 
top of my desk comes right up to the bottom of one of the windows.
It's a good sunny spot with a high view of the birds and squirrels
and flowers and such in the backyard.

In short, it's a cat-place.  

While I work on the computer, Westheimer is lord of the desktop.  
Sometimes he intently watches the resident bluejay foraging for tasty 
bugs in the garage gutters.  Other times he sits on the mouse pad and 
stares out the window...contemplating his sins, I suppose.  Occasionally 
he prominades back and forth in front of the computer screen, tail pressed
majestically against the underside of my nose.

Stealthily he creeps into my lap, curls up and goes to sleep.
I never seem to see him do this, I just look down and there he is.
Such is cat majik.

What is it about gay people and cats?  Why do these independent, selfish, 
aloof creatures strike such a chord with us?  I used to be a dog-person, 
but now I'm a confirmed cat lover, largely because of the Bombay mix purring 
in my lap right this very moment.

I believe that there is something about cats, something very basic and
primal, that strikes a chord with gayfolk.  As frequent victims of the
brutish and uncultured, we appreciate their grace and beauty of form.  
As a group that has been told who to love and who not to love, we admire 
their defiance; their love must be is earned, and can never be compelled.
As a people who have learned to survive, we respect their tenacity and 
force of will; we understand about claws, and when it's time to flee.

All I can add is this: when darkness closes in and jungle creatures 
lurk all around, cats remain unpreturbed but watchful.  

Survive, and enjoy tomorrow's sunlight.

Brent, marveling at how a sleeping Westheimer has managed to make himself 
       perfectly square and cover every exposed millimeter of the heat 
       register without hanging a single hair over the edge into the
       unheated part
-- 
Brent Capps                          | I could love anything on earth 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | that appeared to wish it.
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |                 -- Lord Byron
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: APRIL 25 1993 MARCH ON WASHINGTON FINAL PLATFORM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:01:42 GMT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

>>
>>6.  We demand an end to racial and ethnic discrimination in all forms.

>This would mean an end to affirmative action, ja?

>Y'all forgot the demand for a cease-fire in
>Bosnia-Herzegovinia...
>-- 
>Andrew Michael Solovay    

>"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
>                --Melinda Shore
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well you sure seem to be proving it in THIS post...

Sheeeeesh.
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Birth Control is disgusting--people using each other for pleasure."
                               Randall Terry, Chairman, Operation Rescue.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Strand of Bigotry
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:18:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov19.173324.11773@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) wrote:

> It's been a long time since Goldwater, a longer time since Taft.
> I'm talking about realities.

The *reality* is that Bill Clinton won the election because he 
sounded more like B. Goldwater than J. Jackson.  The *reality* is that
aligning with the fundamentalist right did not garner sufficient
support for a Bush win, and unlike Dukakis, Bush could not pin
an albatros like 'Card Carrying Member of the ACLU' on Clinton.

The *reality* is that Clinton is not a fascist, not a totalitarian,
and not a liberal.  He is a 'conservative' member of the Democratic
party.

*X*
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Today's NY Times
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:22:10 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


I remember a time not so long ago when Rod would post anything that
he saw in the NY Times of obvious glb* interest.  It was a couple of
articles a month at first-- no more than that.

Recently the pace has picked up.  Since the presidential campaign
these topics have been hot in all the media.  The _Times_ at least
is keeping up with things.  Today's paper had the following articles 
(that I caught):
 
+ Front page (continued in Sports):  "AIDS Deaths Tear at
  Figure-Skating World" (with explicit reference to John Curry who has
  said that he was infected "during a homosexual relationship some
  years ago."

+ first section, p. 17:  "Navy Fails in Attempt to Exclude Gay
  Sailor"  (a continuation of the Keith Meinhold story, mentioning
  that Judge Hatter has hinted that he doesn't like the military
  ban

+ Op-ed page, Russell Baker's column, "By Sex Obsessed," satirizing
  the idea that glb* folk in the military would detract from
  "preparedness" more than regular sick-drunks and hangovers might,
  and comparing the supposed "lack of discipline" in open
  homosexuality with standards of heterosexual license that
  governed when Baker served during WWII.

+ second (regional) section, p. 3:  "Teaching About Gay Life is Pressed
  by Chancellor"  (NYC's "Children of the Rainbow" approach to
  teaching about cultural diversity in the elementary schools, which
  is being fought by a Queens district that has proposed its own
  curriculum with all the homosexuality references eliminated.  I
  found the headline most interesting, because the _Times_ could have
  highlighted the refusal of the Queens Board, but didn't.)

+ second section, p. 9 "In 2 Cities, Unmarried Get Marriage Rights"
  (re. Domestic Partnership implementations in Cambridge, MA and
  in  Sacramento, CA)

+ Sports:  "At 36, Navratilova Still Has Fight" (Ok, ok, so I 
  had to know to look for it, but still, the article includes
  the following:  
	"'The bottom line is that Madison Avenue is run by
	white male yuppies,' said Navratilova, who feels her
	forthrightness about her sexual preference long ago
	scared the advertisers off.  
	'But I'd rather have it like this than pretend to be
	Miss Heterosexual America,' said the player who has
	added her name and clout to the class action suit filed
	by the American Civil Liberties Union in Colorado,
	where an amendment removing antidiscrimination
	legislation was passed two weeks ago."

And last week I noticed that a 36 year old man who died of drowning was
survived by his "companion" (among others).  It's the first time I've
noticed that except in an obit where AIDS was explicit.

As I said, I knew enough to check the Navratilova story for explicit
glb*-interest content.  I wonder what I might have missed...


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:42:59 GMT

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>Ohhh...  <hiss> <snarl> <growl>  The Muffin is *mine*! Mine!  Mine!
>Mine!  *I* saw him first.  So you just be right thankful like you
>don't live nearbys - or I'd have to do something sinister and evil
>and even against the law...

*that's* not against the law in california, is it? :-)

--mike
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:20:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.142003.102979@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY) writes:
>In a recent episode, Jean Luc was transformed into a 12/13 yearold by a
>transporter malfunction.  I found it fascinating that he spoke with an
>absolutely FLAWLESS British public school accent.  Where did this come from?
>I thought he was a French fellow, raised in the wine country.

Picard's body was changed, but his mind was not. Since Picard is
French, he presumably learned English with an English accent
(since England is closer than the US). Ideally, they would've
found a kid who could do Stewart's "English-Shakespearean-Actor-
Doing-a-French-Guy-Speaking-English-Flawlessly" accent, but that
was too much to hope for, so they just settled for some JV Etonian.

>Does this mean that in the future we have succeeded and finally eliminated
>French as a language!?!?!?

We can always hope...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
From: htran@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Harry Tran)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:58:41 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines


A bear was standing on a log in the forest taking a crap.
A rabbit curious as to what was causing all the grunting noises
poked his head up from his burrough and watched the bear.  The
bear, turning his head, seeing the rabbit watching him, grunted,
"Hey, rabbit!  When you take a dump, does the shit stick to your
fur?"
"Well no," replied the rabbit, "I don't have that problem."
"Good.", snarled the bear, who reached behind him, scooped up
the rabbit with his paw, wiped his ass with it and flung it
back down the hole.


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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bears and Lookism (was: Marky Mark)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:50:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov17.213558.4677@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>

Anthony Berno also writes:
>Bears have at least some exposure in mainstream gay media

No, we don't. Even as comparatively widespread in availability
as _BEAR MAGAZINE_ has gotten, it's *far* from mainstream gay
media, and most of the other magazines of this general bent
[_BEAR FAX_, _HUSKY_, _BULK MALE_, _DADDY_, _HIPPIE DICK_, et.
alia.] are even further from the "mainstream."

>and also have their own cultural institutions.

Thank goodness.

 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Audre Lord
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:32:44 GMT


Audre Lord, poet, writer, terroristress (:-)), died on
Tuesday (11/17) after a long illness.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Rocky Mountain Technology Center, Colo Spgs
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:34:36 GMT

In article <mattm-191192090714@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>When the Arizona vote took place against MLK b-day, the opposition
>was ready the *immediately* with a boycott.  And it was not
>just black organizations who went in on it.  In the case of Louisianna,
>the 'opposition' was just about the entire country, and the threats
>were in place well before the vote even occured.  In the case of 
>Colorado, it's very much a one group thing, and that group is divided.
>And it's been a couple of weeks since the vote.  And there is still
>no coherent 'Word from Above' on the status of this 'boycott.'

The timing of the boycott is irrelevant.  And it isn't dead.  According
to the local press, the city of Atlanta has decided to boycott Colorado.
Apparently a number of groups have cancelled conventions in Denver.  
There's a new story every day about some group or municipality boycotting
the state.

People are worried about this, which is the first sign of its potential
effectiveness.  

>
>It's dead, Jim.  Or at least metabolically challenged.
>

Wishing something was true does not make it so.

>*X*


Terry Bartlett			   bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
Sun Microsystems		   BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL!
Rocky Mountain Technology Center   BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL!
Colorado Springs, CO        	   BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL! BEAT CAL!
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Baba Wawa and Marwena Deetwick (Was Re: Marky Mark)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:52:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>> Ummm, pardon me, but I believe it was the devine Gilda Radner as Babawa
>> Wawa and guest star Madeleine Kahn (pardon the spelling) as Mawena
>> Deetweek.  I pretty sure about this, but it's possible I'm mistaken.
>
>Are you sure?  Isn't Tomlin the one who did the operator I thought she was
>Babawa Wawa.

Radner and Kahn did the Wawa/Deetwick sketch ("Swimming keeps me swender,
Babwa").  Radner was also Rosanne Rosanadana (my favorite was her aunt,
Lolafalana Rosanadana).  Lily Tomlin was Edith Anne ("And that's the
TruTHBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT") and the Ernestine the Operator on Laugh-in.
-- 

******************************************************************************

Donald L. Hardy                                    Office of Physical Planning
Project Planner                                    Lehigh University
dh0a@lehigh.edu                                    (215) 758 5110
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: A Strand of Bigotry
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:37:04 PST

In article <1992Nov13.175017.12469@oracle.us.oracle.com>, on 13 Nov 1992 17:50:17 GMT,
dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:

>
>[  Note:  A reader of soc.motss, who does not have the
>ability to post, has asked me to post this for him.
>When following up, please change the attributions.]
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
Right! Edgar J Lawrence II asserts the following:

>For far too long, people on this group having been taking
>this Gary Strand character more seriously than he deserves.
>He has repeatedly claimed that he has the right to practice
>bigotry.  He calls it "discrimination," but it should be
>obvious to everyone that he is a particularly vicous bigot
>who uses half-baked Libertarian rhetoric to rationalize his
>bigotry.
>
You've totally mischaracterized what Gary Strand actually wrote, which
is actually fairly typical of totalitarian tinkerbell thinking. What he
claimed was that neither individuals nor the government have the right
to forcibly prevent other people from discriminating. This no more makes
one a bigot than does supporting the right of Nazis to march in Skokie
make one a Nazi or does upholding the right of fundamentalist Christian
churches to preach that homosexuality is a sin make one a fundy.

This so-called "half-baked libertarian rhetoric" about the basic right
to be left alone protects not only the bigot but gays as well from
the oppressive and overbearing power of majoritarian government that
would overreach its domain and extend itself into everyone's private
life.

        =Jack=
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:50:35 GMT

In article <BxMys9.8vL@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>
>What is it about gay people and cats?  Why do these independent, selfish, 
>aloof creatures strike such a chord with us?  I used to be a dog-person, 
>but now I'm a confirmed cat lover, largely because of the Bombay mix purring 
>in my lap right this very moment.
>
  Same here.  We have ten cats; fortunately we also have 30 acres for
  them to get lost in.  Most of ours found us; summer rejects from 
  the student population when we lived in town.  They accompany us
  when we're hiking through the woods, usually whining all the way.

  A straight friend I've long since lost track of once asked me if
  I knew of "those little old ladies with lots of cats"?  I said 
  yes, I suppose I did.  "You're getting there," he said.

  Wayne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Military info needed
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.150919.12835@pixel.kodak.com> chuck@fourier.ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461) writes:
>
>Last week there was a segment on the MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour on "Gays in the
>Military."  It focused on Margaret Kammemyer (sp?) who is fighting to be
>reinstated after being discharged for admitting her lesbianism.
>
>It was a powerful piece, including an unbelievable scene where two homophobes
>(married man and woman) were accosting her in a parking lot.  The woman 
>screamed at Margaret saying, "My husband fought in two wars to protect us
>from people like YOU!"  And Margaret calmly replied, "No, he didn't fight
>against people like me."

My husband watched that segment with me. He was stunned by the woman
in the parking lot, who was yelling that "you people are trying to
ruin this country" and so on. He asked me later what on earth makes
people so scared and so hateful. I think it was the first time he
really realized, in his gut, that there is a level of discrimination 
that is more than just
politely firing a person or impersonally not voting for them, a
level that involves yelling stupid things in parking lots, a level
that can cross the line to violence easily.

So I am pleased with MacN/L for airing it just for that scene alone.

Kate
deliberately not being gender-neutral about my partner today;
think how silly the above would read if it was gender neutral
and you assumed a woman...
From: cf379@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (J. Alan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Queers in military in other countries???
Date: 17 Nov 1992 02:08:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm fairly sure Canada lets queers into the military, and
even did studies to see what happened -- answer: NOTHING.
 
Does anyone know about rules and regs on queers in military
in other countries?  I'm pretty sure there are a lot of them
out there that do not explicitly ban gays/lesbians.
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Anti-gay '88 OCA initiative struck down by Oregon appeal court!
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:47:05 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

Appeals court sez coming out is free speech protected by the Oregon
Constitution!  Strikes down successful '88 anti-gay initiative!
OCA LOSES!

YAAA-HOOOOOO!!!!!

[victory dance on desk!]  yappa-tappa-tappa...

WHEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Brent, HOWLING AT THE MOON!  OOO-WWOOOOOOOOOOO!!  ARF!
-- 
Brent Capps                          | I could love anything on earth 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | that appeared to wish it.
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) |                 -- Lord Byron
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Greg Parkinson (was Marky Mark & Calvin Klein after being Scott Masden)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:59:40 GMT
Distribution: na,uk
Organization: (getting there)

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

 >I of course spent part of my upbringing in beautiful
 >Lousiana - the northern white-trash part - so I have
 >an accent that *comes back*, not one that I acquire.
 >I do, however, give other indications of my sluttiness.

Ah, if only I were male, gay, and single.
Or maybe any one of the above.



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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