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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 09:34:02 PDT
From:         David Harlan <DI378@CALPOLY>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and Outlining
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The problem with the outlining facility in NB 3.1 is that it would
occasionally drop outline segments when using the Conceal/Reveal
feature.  I suppose this happens when the outline segment being con-
cealed was too large.  But it is rather disconcerting, particularly
because in a long outline you may not realize that a segment as been
dropped, save the now truncated outline and in doing so write over the
ealier (longer) version.  Either the program has to have the capacity
to use a spill file, or the user has to be warned that the Conceal
feature has dropped part of his/her outline.  So the question is:
does the outlining feature in NB4 recitfy these problems (which to
me are so central that I've abandoned the NB outliner as
not only hopeless but dangerous).

David Harlan
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      Re: effective use of umb's
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From: Allan Needell

Paul,

I guess that the AST laptop needs very little upper memory for its video and
other system requirments. I use a Trident SVGA video. It and loading dos high
leaves relatively little space for other drivers and programs, or so it would
seem.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      "Phoning" on the VAX
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Michael Dick wonder about students (or even other forms of life) phoning while
on the VAX.  There is "phone" utility on the VAX that allows an interactive
conversation.  The screen splits horizontally in half and each party occupies
one half or the other.  It is one way of noting colleagues' typing skills with
the consequent laughter that, fortunately, cannot be "heard" by the other
party.

Mark D. Szuchman
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From:         M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Arabic on NB
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Re:

>
> Is anyone using Arabic on NB -- preferably the Israeli version (Shapirit)?
>
> Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>

Is it possible at present to use Arabic on NB?  I would be excited to hear
of that reality!

Mateen Elass (m.a.elass@uk.ac.durham)
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:45:26 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Johnny Appleseed



>> Do people not educated in US primary schools not know who
>> Johnny Appleseed is?
>> --
>> Robert Braham   |   Graduate School of the City University of New York
>>
>   Why in the world would/should they?  Having lived in this country from age
>15 (1940), I've often come across the name, but never got curious enough to
>look it up.  I did just now, and find he's a rather minor icon of American folk
>culture.
>
>From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>


And we bemoan the lack of knowledge of geography on the part of
current American schoolchildren!

Not to know the most famous of all American folk traditions, the heart
and soul of pioneer selfless generosity in sharing the eventual wealth
of an apple tree with many thousands of grateful souls, is cultural
illiteracy of the highest degree. Call in the Hirsch patrol...

(Of course, maybe this IS a bigger deal in the Midwest than the Effete
East...)

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:06:51 LCL
From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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> >BTW, can anyone tell me how much memory NB4+Orbis+Ibid requires
> >to run?

> I second that request.  I have been wondering if I am going to have to
> spend money I do not have to upgrade my XT clone.

> ...

> I.e. is a 386 my fate, along with a spouse who scowls at me when she
> balances the checkbook?

Unless NB4 now has additional extended memory use features, it wouldn't help
to get a 386 to get around increased memory use in NB4.

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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:54:03 EDT
From:         dave reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: tact
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              25,92 9:26 am

I wrote earlier concerning TACT:
>
>                                           Another address that some
> might want to try is ian@epa.utoronto.ca -- this is for Prof. Ian
> Lancashire who has ultimate oversight (I believe) of the TACT project.
>
Although I have not been inundated with mail from irate
correspondents, I thought I would correct my error in any case. Ian
Lancashire's address is:  ian@epas.utoronto.ca   .   There!
                                 ^
David.
--
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From:         JRG4215@NYUACF
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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Paul Bodin responds to David J. Reimer's assertion that MS-DOS is to blame
for the 640K barrier:
>The 64K memory segmentation scheme is pretty much built into the 8086/8088
>CPU architecture. Intel did that.

I'm no expert, but from what I have gathered in various PC magazines Paul
Bodin is on the mark.  The 64K memory segmentation is a result of the 8bit
architecture of the original 8088, thus, once again, backwards compatibility
has stuck us with odd limitations on since those of us using 386DX and better
chips could theoretically address a 4gigabyte memory segment at one time.
Instead we have programs like NB with three million overlays.
I also recall seeing a letter in Byte (I think) in which the original author
of DOS notes that the operating system is designed to address the full
megabyte of memory that the 8088 was capable of addressing, but IBM in its
infinite wisdom ;-) decided to reserve the upper 384K of this space for
hardware rom and video.
Oh I forgot, the 386DX and better addresses larger memory segments due to its
32 bit data path.
I hope this info isn't just muddying the water and is edifying to someone.

On a more par

On a more par (oops, I hate this online editor) practical note I tried
loadhigh with NB 3.1 and when I shelled to DOS and ran MEM/c I found that
a mere 0.2K of NB had loaded high.  I haven't bothered to play with this
further since I am quite happy with the 250 to 270 K that I usually have to
work with on my two machines under either DOS or windows.

One last note, NBI missed another easy PR chance today by not sending a
representative to NYU's annual computer fair a mere 15 minute walk from
there office, I must say I am skeptical about the future, though at the
moment I am happy enough to stick with either NB 3.1 or 4 (if I ever get it)
until something really good shows up under one of the emerging operating
systems.

Peace to all, and may those in England see some clear skies.
Yechiel Goldberg
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 11:11:00 GMT
From:         "L.LITVACK" <ENG1787@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK>
Subject:      RE: NB 4 Arrivals
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Bill Watts:
NB4, Orbis, Ibid, Ibid+, and Lingua, all received in Belfast
from our U.K. distributor, Tony St. Quintin.

Leon Litvack
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 09:27:16 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      Johnny Appleseed
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While I wait for the whole shebang, and worry about memory
allocation, I submit to the applecrowd:

In 1744, on this day, John Chapman, a.k.a. Johnny Appleseed,
was born.
(In later years, on this day, also were born Martin Heidegger
and George Gershwin.  Go figure.)

Do people not educated in US primary schools not know who
Johnny Appleseed is?
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 12:01:45 EDT
From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and outlines
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> > this point, I thought the outline facilities in NB3.x were pretty
> primitive -- and I tended to use PC-Outline for my outline work
> (which I would then import into NB3.x when ready). However, either

I'm running the Beta of NB4 and don't have full documentation, but as far as
I'm able to tell -- as a constant routine user of the outlining in NB3.1 -- the
only difference is that while NB3 required using ALT + (1-9) to get up and down
the levels of the outline, in NB4 a mere carriage return provides another item
at the same level, while a <CR> with a Plus or Minus, brings forth the next
higher or lower level in the outline.  I'm not quite sure I like the NB4 system
any better... it seems slightly slower and can be confusing.  The old ALT +
(1-9) was completely positive and instantaneous.  The new <CR> with a Plus or
Minus always produces the current level first, then erases that and brings on
the desired one.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:25:11 EST
From:         "Thomas B. Settle" <TSETTLE@POLYVM>
Subject:      large files into smaller ones
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Perhaps a quick question while waiting for mail to arrive [I am fifteen
minutes by subway from NBI and not holding my breath].

  Both NB and DOS have methods of combining small files into larger ones,
but I have yet to find an easy way to break up a large file into smaller
ones.  In particular I have a 1M file that I would like to break into
four, more or less equally sized files of about 250K.  "PRINTD" doesn't
work: all those formatting codes.  And the "copy" command doesn't allow
specifying pages numbers.

  Any thoughts.  A couple of weeks ago I faxed Rebecca Bennett this same
request, but she has obviously been too busy typing mailing lables to
reply.
          Thanks for any help.                  Tom Settle
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 18:36:29 IST
From:         ANDERSOS@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
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>>   Any thoughts.  A couple of weeks ago I faxed Rebecca Bennett this same
>> request, but she has obviously been too busy typing mailing lables to
>> reply.
>.
>.
>.
> it is a bit small minded to belittle
> one of the most helpful of NBI's staff because she didn't drop
> everything and reply to the question.

It all depends on how you take it.  When I originally read the first posting,
I considered it a criticism of NBI for having so few staff that such
a usefull person was had to do tasks that could just as easily been
done by someone else, and it never occurred to me that it reflected
negatively on Rebecca herself.  I guess this is a clear case of the
hazards of e-mail.

Stan Anderson
The Claremont Graduate School
Institute for Antiquity and Christianity
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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
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              922:36 pm

>
>
> The idea of loading NB.COM high for NB 4 is most interesting. What about NB
> 3?  Does it work the same way?  Could I do "lh nb" with 3.1 and save 11K?
>
> --
>

I tried adding "lh nb" to the batch file with which I start NB 3.1. It
made not the slightest difference to the available memory on my 5M
RAM'ed Zenith 386sx laptop as shown by F7. Mind you, there are a few
other lines in the batch file to do with the display (mono, and
machine palette 3, the latter being a Zenith-brand MS-DOS thingummy
which does useful things to the LCD).  But I don't think these are
relevant.

What I did find was that these display-related lines did not seem to
run. I would have explored the matter further and tried to re-arrange
the batch file - I insist on running NB in mono to get true
underlining, as some might recall me commenting! - but as the memory
usage did not seem to be different I started to lose interest.

The other odd thing was that when quitting, NB promptly ran again
once. I decided that possibly my system did not recognise lh nb
(though I load high other bits) and interpreted "lh nb" as a command
to run NB; so it ran nb first off that line, and then - working its
way through the batch file line by line - off the line that just said
"nb" (and which is supposed to run NB in the batch file) when I quit
the first time, and then finally quit definitively on the second QUIT
command.

Dunno. It seemed to be a bit unstable at best and pointless anyway so
as I was in a hurry I abandoned the matter for the moment. But I do
have the feeling that we'd have known about this for yonks if it were
possible.

Is there perhaps a significant way of configuring extended or expanded
memory which affects this? Perhaps a hardware-specific advantage which
some systems have. Would those who did get a difference perhaps tell
us what they're using? Is there a canny way of writing the batch file
which I have missed?

It's stopped raining and it's a mild cloudy-sunny morning in deepest,
darkest Devon. Seriously autumnal now; glorious colours, and the apple
crop's a lulu. Started lighting the woodburner already though it's not
all that cold. Blackbirds absolutely silent - I miss their
song....roll on spring...
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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From:         Willis Johnson <willis@VIOLET.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: error messages when printing with NB 4.0 and HP IIIP
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No changes.  I can open a file from my disk and try to print it immediately
and get the same error.  It happens very consistently about every 7 pages.
Any ideas?  I guess I'll try to get through to NBI tomorrow...

Willis
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 11:55:24 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: large files into smaller ones
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There are various pgms for dividing files, all downloadable
from simtel20. I have been using one called CHOP: it has
a variety of 'chopping' options (<msdos.filutl>chop31.zip).
For dividing ZIP files to smaller ZIP files I use ZIPSPLIT.


Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 21:10:57 EDT
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1>
Subject:      RE: Qemm/stealth
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>Just to confuse things a bit, contrary to Robert's posting, I have been
>running my early final release of NB 4 under QEMM/Desqview/Stealth with
>relatively few problems (other than the approximately 30 bugs I reported
>to NBI). But it definitely does run in this configuration, and the screen
>seems to be fine.

>Michael Jasper


Sorry to have supplied bad information; I am a tyro in memory management,
and the generic 386Max "stealth" setting definitely doesn't work, and I assumed
in error that the schemes were similar.  At the risk of continuing
in the "little knowledge is a dangerous thing" department, can
you supply more details on how your VGA memory is blocked out?: w/
handholding, I think I can get 386Max to do the same (or is that
QEMM propriatary, ie, its not just what gets tweaked, but how it's
done)..

What are your general memory leftovers (free) w/ the various Orbis
and Ibid settings?

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From: pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul J. Bodin)
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Subject: Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:06:05 GMT
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Mervyn Bennun writes:

> The conclusion I reach is this: when I was upgraded to 3.1, whatever it
> is that makes the system assume /c when using Shift+Esc was in some
> way written out and the switch must now be provided explicitly.
>
> You've been generous with your time, so I hesitate to ask you if you
> know off the top of your head what to correct. It's probably deeper
> than the mere keyboard driver. If shoving a copy of command.com into
> \nb3 does the trick then it's not worth bothering others about anyway,
> though it's a new problem which I thought was solved.

It isn't in the keyboard driver itself--probably in one of the help
files (if not the master help file).  It isn't something I  would want
to delve into without a lot of spare time to spend on it--there be
dragons in that wood.

> I remember that one had to have command.com in every subdirectory with
> NB v. 1. I wonder how many others, like me, recall those days.... do
> you remember floppies made of bakelite, and starting up your PC on a
> cold morning with a box of matches and a little bottle of methylated
> spirits - and what used to happen when the steam pressure dropped? Ah,
> those were the days.....

In those impoverished student days I couldn't afford a computer--I was
getting out of bed to trudge up the hill to the computer center and
fire up the keypunch machine!  Your version sounds most homey!

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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              2,92 4:38 pm

Rob Rittenhouse writes, in part:
>
> You should blame Intel for the 8086, IBM and Intel for the memory architecture
> which generally limits one to 640K (WHY was the A segment reserved for video)
> and the computer market (us) for not moving more rapidly to a new OS.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong (just about a dead cert), but it is
neither the chip nor IBM who should shoulder blame here, right? I have
always considered the awkward memory management to be the legacy of Bill
Gates (the multi-billion dollar man) and Microsoft. The other os's...

> Windows, OS/2, and UNIX are not as limited as DOS. In them one could have
> 1 Meg of program and 7 Meg of files on a 8 Meg system. Although, actually,
> one would probably end up with 8 Meg of program! Not to mention 8 Meg of
> Operating System!
>
Precisement!

David.
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In response to Michael Dennis's inquiry about rumors stating,
I should perhaps state that I am one of the persons who said
something like this.  When I said this, though, I did not have
any particular reason for thinking that they would go out of
business.  My notion was that companies that behave in such
erratic and unreliable ways are likely to go out of business,
and it might not be such a bad thing if they did.

I was condemned by someone on the list for spreading rumors,
and such condemnation was perhaps justified.  I can say, however,
that I had a rather nice talk with Rebecca (Rebeka?), and she
herself said that NBI would be out of business if it continued
in the mode it is now in.  She is now working on a letter to
NBI subscribers explaining and apologizing for delays and
inaccurate information about releases.  She told me that the
company had been under "enourmous pressure," financial and
otherwise, and that they had simply taken on too much in
promising so many upgrades at the same time.

I have been and remain a harsh critic of NBI, and I doubt
that I will be able to be objective about this until I get
my copy of NB4, which has been promised to me four times in the
last month.  But I am greatly encouraged that NBI in general
and Rebecca in particular are thinking about how to regain the
trust of their customers.  I look forward to receiving the letter,
but I must inform you that Rebecca wisely declined to announce
a release date for the missive.

Bill Watts
watts@butluru
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 08:23:00 +0200
From:         Michael Shalev <SHALEV@HUJIVMS>
Subject:      Re: large files into smaller ones
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The SIMTEL archives, and clones, have at least one text utility that
will break files up. I will check on my office PC for the one that I
have.  ...Michael
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Thanks, Tony. I'll get it.

Roy
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