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From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Stadium sites will and have sucked!
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:51:38 GMT
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
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In article <1992Aug17.134631.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.144058.8983@midway.uchicago.edu>, xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug16.210140.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>Then, I went to Madison.  I thought, "I'm not going to Jackson next year.  The
(stuff deleted)
>>>
>> I just want to make a comment, THIS IS NOT A FLAME, JUST MY HUMBLE
>> OPINOIN, Madison is the best place for DCI.  Only because the
>> people in Madison LOVE the drum corps.  No matter how big or
>> small.  I marched in Madison in '86 and '87.  When we did the
>> parade you could barely hear yourself play because the people
>> just cheer for everyone.  My corps had only about 60 members and
>> the people of Madison cheered for us as loud as they cheered for SCV. 
>> I would not have wanted to march finals any other place.
>> I agree that the stadium, for the spectators, isn't very good but
>> for this former drum corps member, it was the best.

>
>Well, Krista, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't go to the world
>championships to see the locals.  I'm not flaming, but let's look at it.  As
>much as I hated the general attitude of people in New York, if they had the
>championships in Giants Stadium, I would go.  I did like the great hospitality
>of Madison, it was refreshing to see an entire city so happy to see DCI.  But I 
>don't go to see the locals, I go to see the corps.  The fans are the ones that
>are important.  They are the ones that support the activity.  The marching
>members are important to, but they don't pay to keep DCI alive and they get
>applause no matter where they are (except Star).

I was basically speaking from a corps member point of view.  When you
are on tour for two or three weeks and some towns love you and
some just watch and don't even clap, to end up in Madison is
great.  Even if you don't make it to finals, you still feel
great because of crowd reception.  It is sort of hard to describe
to someone who has not been there 'marching'.  I am not just
talking about the show, I am talking about the parade.  The
people of Madison just LOVE drumcorps.  

The corps members are the ones that are important.  The fans
didn't pay my yearly dues.  The corps members do pay money
to keep DCI alive.  We also pay with blood and sweat and tears.
We don't get applause from everyone.  If you have never marched
then you have no idea what you go through sometimes.

I loved my experience with drumcorps. I would not trade it for
anything.  But that doesn't mean that it was easy.  

Krista
From: Paul.Knupke.Jr.@f750.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Knupke Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: I LOVE Star!! (was Re: The Star of Indiana)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:08:01 EDT
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From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert) writes:

> I love BD too.  Do you know anyone that has ever marched in BD?

Yes, one of the members of my high school band did.  He was the only freshman that was on snare, but he played bass drum with BD the summer before.  His name is Dave Ryan.  Don't know if he went back or not as he had moved from the west coast to Florida with his family the summer he marched.

Paul




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From: travisj@adp.uucp (Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Finals.....
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:33:35 GMT
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Organization: U of Wisconsin ADP

In article <1992Aug17.144253.4505@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.011954.15794@ncsu.edu>, jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>> What my big question is did both the Cavied and Garfield really
>> perform their shows much better in finals to warrant a 1.8/1.7 point
>> increase from Quarter Finals?  
>
>through their show.  I was at a bar in Madison after finals (full of DCI
>people...people in Madison were overwhelmed!) and the general consensus
>was that Cadets were on and should have taken the show...but after coming

   I agree!!!!!!
>
>The best performance of the night, in my opinion, was by Madison....you
>could just feel the energy coming from the corps...I thought they should
>have passed the Devils. 

Madison should have been third in my book. Their show was incredible.
The drill was almost perfect.  Did you see them? - they were flying around the
field.  Since 1986 madison has always had intense fast flying drill
and they don't get credit for it.  Even tho I marched with Madison 86&87
I thought 89&90*91 were pretty mediocre(sp?) years. But their finals
show stomped BD & star(who was WAAAAAY borrrrrrrring - as usual).

Cavies almost put me to sleep. Garfield never fails to blow me away.

Trav

>
>Tom
>---
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From: raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee)
Subject: Re: Scores from DCI Nationals Quarter-finals
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:42:50 GMT
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In <15199308@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:

>SCV's message to the judges:

that almost looks like the judges message to SCV!
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From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: VK bashing & DC North
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:04:44 GMT
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In article <Aug.14.13.30.55.1992.827@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
>
>
>   Well since you chose to join this thread after my follow up you
>did not answer my question.  What have they contributed to the activity?
>Is your answer "fun"?  or "different"?  Magic is different.  Troopers
>are different.  You don't really expect me to buy that a gorilla 
>peeling a banana with a girl inside or the guard  using bananas as
>if it were a rifle is as difficult as getting ten people to throw
>triples or quads do you?  You don't really expect me to believe that
>the "dancing" that VK does is as "much work" as what the other guard's
>engage in?  Do you think carrying a pole with a huge head on the end
>of it from the back end of the field to the front for a minute or two
>is as difficult as tossing a flag at a windy show.
>
>   Yes I do think ripping apart everything they do is necessary 
>especially when people try to push them across as actually something
>to be admired, applauded, defended, let alone legitimate.  Who ever
>said that this belonged on the drum corps field?  You wan't to see
>this stuff, watch a Coors commercial or the Super Bowl hoopla?  
>IF you want to watch a drum corps show, check out Star, Cavaliers,
>Blue Devils, Madison Scouts, Cadets, Phantom or Santa Clara.  The
>difference is between chicken salad and chicken shit!  If this
>makes me closed minded, so be it, especially where VK in concerned.


>>>>Hey, listen, I didn't intend to flame you with my message, I was just 
taking the other side! As for your question...what does any corp do for
the activity!  It teaches music, drill, values (though some values may be
different)! Listen, I've been around drumcorps for about fourteen years! I
know and appreciate drum corps, EVERY drum corps. I NEVER said that VK was
my favorite corps, all I said was that they don't need to be ripped apart
for what they do! BTW, who are you to say what and what not should be put
on a field!? Yes, I do know the difference between The Cadets, BD, and VK! 
There is a BIG difference, but that doesn't mean one is wrong! I've heard
people rip apart BD in the past years for their lack of drill, does that
make BD a bad drum corps? Were *they* chicken shit because they didn't 
march as much as Garfield? NO! They just chose a different style!

Look, I didn't intend to start an arguement. This "conversation" will not
go anywhere becuase you have your views and I have mine! I would rather
not have any bad feelings with someone I've never met, so I'll make sure I
do not reply when I see your name with a posting! God forbid someone has an
opposite view of yours!


 Kel
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: My Poll results bounced!
Date: 13 Aug 1992 09:35:10 -0500
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I sent my poll results to "doolittle" at App. State and they bounced.
See below for explanation.  Could anyone help me with his address?
Could you clip this out and sent it to him?
 
Thanks,
 
Vince
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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Writer's poll--finals week
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Here are my rankings.  Note that I am no longer optimistic about
Glassmen making finals.  The corps can do it, but seems to be suffering
from a failure of nerve since POC (effects of one bad show lingering through
season :-P ! ).
 
Vince
 
Next to last writer's poll for alt.drumcorps.
 
1.  Star of Indiana
2.  Cavaliers
3.  Blue Devils
4.  Madison Scouts
5.  Cadets of Bergen County
6.  Phantom Regiment
7.  Santa Clara Vanguard
8.  Crossmen
9.  Blue Knights
10. Velvet Knights
11. Freelancers
12. Bluecoats
13. Glassmen (I am *most* displeased!  Bottle Blue prove me wrong!)
14. Sky Ryders
15. Spirit of Atlanta
16. Boston Crusaders
17. Marauders
18. Dutch Boy
19. Southwind
20. Colts
21. Magic of Orlando
22. Troopers
23. Northern Aurora
24. Black Gold
25. Carolina Crown 
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM (Bill Nielsen)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Final Scores - Madison, Wisconsin  Aug 15, 1992
Date: 16 Aug 1992 19:00:06 GMT
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Scores from the Finals  August 15, 1992  Madison, Wisconsin

12. Freelancers		83.5
11. Blue Coats		84.6
10. Velvet Knights	86.6
 9. Blue Knights	90.0
 8. Phantom Regiment	91.5
 7. Vanguard		91.8
 6. Crossmen		92.2
 5. Madison Scouts	93.7
 4. Blue Devils		95.4	Aux.  (I guess the judges like the sleeze :^)
 3. Star of Indiana	96.7	Brass
 2. Cadets of Bergen Co	97.0	GE
 1. Cavaliers		97.5	Visual & Percussion

Congrats to the Cavaliers!

Bill Nielsen
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI Politics SUCKS!
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:57:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:


>I hate to keep disagreeing with you, Ken, but the Cadets did in fact
>have an equally good horn line on Finals night.  As I mentioned elsewhere,
>the Blue Devils (horns) were off both in Semis and Finals.  The Cadets
>did some pretty amazing things on Semis and Finals nights.

>Over the entire course of the season, BD probably had the better line,
>but that's pure speculation.  I was very impressed with BD in the early

   Donald, I was referring to the Cavaliers hornline.  I mentioned
the Cadets because Tom marched in them in '83.  The Cadets have
fielded some really good hornlines in the past and some pretty ratty
ones as well.  The Cavies hornline is now or in the past few years
have been their Achilles Heel, No.  If they were up to snuff they 
might have won in '91.


Ken.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Glassmen in 13th
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:12:05 GMT

I thought that Glassmen deserved 13th and did not belong in the 
top 12 (now watch the sparks fly!)  While Glassmen's show was
performed better than Freelancers in prelims, Freelancers show
was a much better and more professional show to make up for the
difference in their level of performance.

SO, if Glassmen lost it up in the pressbox, I agree...but Glassmen
should have beat Freelancers at the field level.

Just my opinion.
Tom
---

Maybe next year!
From: koreis@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Koreis)
Subject: DCI Broadcast
Reply-To: koreis@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:46:05 GMT
From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Finals on WGBH?
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:33:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.

In article <1992Aug18.203720.7560@ll.mit.edu> eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if WGBH in Boston will broadcast this year's finals?
>E-mail would be appreciated if you know one way or the other.
>

I heard rumors of September 4.

>-- 
> Eric J. Austin                       EMAIL: eaustin@ll.mit.edu


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drumcorps Sandwich
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:42:30 GMT
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Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Bt9rnn.MD9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Glorfindel) writes:
>

>7.  Before anyone asks, I was sitting at about the 5 up top.  The only
>sharp performance all night was SCV, but they were placed correctly because
>the horn book was WAY too easy.

The difficulty of the music is no longer a criteria
for judging, from what I understand.

Krista
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: xklh@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Krista Lyn Haggert)
Subject: Re: The Star of Indiana
Followup-To: Hate for Star
Keywords: The Star of Indiana, why do they hate them?
Reply-To: xklh@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:19:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.145415.15414@sunova.ssc.gov> jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron) writes:
>Christopher E. Hagen writes:
>-   Why, exactly, do you hate the Star of Indiana?
>- 
>-  (or, love them/like  them/respect them/etc.)
>- 
>- 
>-        I'm just itting here reading all the hatred of them, and I heard all
>- the booing, etc, all season. WHY? Is it just because we have corporate
>- sponsorship, and will allow all types of people into our corp, based on their
>- abilities not their pocketbooks? (sorry, couldn't help but ask that question
>- since someone told me "The Star of Indiana" was filled with low-class people))
>
I really didn't want to get into this subject but since
you asked.  Most corps, big and small, had (have) to work
to get started and to get new members and good instructors.
Star *stole* the best instructors all around the country
by flashing money.  And yes, Star is talented, but they
have the best instructors for the wrong reason.

Star does not let all people of all shapes and sizes into
their corps.  You have to be a certain weight and height.
And your ever so precious wonderful staff told me that!!
Also, how much to Star members pay a year in dues?  Could
it be only $200?  YES!  You don't work for the money
you get.  Mr. Cook just hands it over.  That is not
drumcorps.

Yeah, yeah.  I know that you Star people think that everybody
else is jealous.  Well, that is not it.  I wouldn't march
in Star if they paid me, which I understand is not all
that uncommon.  Every single person that I ever tried to
speak to from Star was rude and walked around with this,
"I am better than you" attitude.  Which is really a shame
because it would be nice if DCI could be one big happy
family.

>Because there are people involved with drumcorps, like any
>other competitive activity, who *need* something to hate, 
>and in the current DCI world, they've "latched" onto Star.
>
>I wouldn't take it too personally, as they are pretty 
>unimportant in the larger scheme of things, however much they 
>try to convice you (and the rest of the world) otherwise.
>
>Jeff
>
>
BULLSHIT!!!

Krista

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From: eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: The Star of Indiana
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:16:44 GMT
 <1992Aug18.161926.5924@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Aug18.142538.1@vax1.umkc.edu> <1992Aug22.171540.15628@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
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In article <1992Aug22.171540.15628@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, grutz@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Kurt Grutzmacher) writes:
> 
> Uh, I had the misfortune of sitting next to a group of Star fans in Dallas
> a while back.  Never before have I ever been so insulted by people before..
> Not only did they talk in a normal tone of voice while other corps were
> playing (louder if it was a corps in contention against Star), they booed
> the final scores of every corps except Star, they were always getting up
> DURING a performance to get something to eat, and they were just plain 
> rude to the rest of us who came to the finals to see a group of talented
> performers do their best.
> 
> Partisanship has no place in politics nor DCI, IMHO.
> 

Partisanship is one thing...  The brainwashed DCI parents/friends/etc. are 
another.  My brother and I had the extreme misfortune of setting next to a
couple of parents from Phantom Regiment.  First of all, they didn't even show
up until the break before Phantom performed, and then they acted all upset
that the crowd had spaced themselves out and consumed their seats.  Not to 
get into another Camp Randall discussion, showing up that late and expecting
otherwise in a stadium with benches is pretty weenie.  As bad as their late
appearance was, their attitudes toward the remaining corps was hideous.

All the way through the remaining corps' performances, they kept pointing to
ANY error in forms, especially straight lines, and commenting on how bad the
judging must be if these other corps could beat their precious Phantom.
Needless to say, I would have been QUITE happy to see their pathetic faces
when Phantom's final placement was announced, but I wasn't there.

I had a similar experience at Dallas when I sat in a group of Troopers'
parents.  They wouldn't clap for anything except Troopers and top five
(couldn't hurt the Troopers' placement).  Of course, the prelims crowd at
Buffalo wouldn't clap for Blue Knights but went wild anytime Dutch Boy
took a step.  The list goes on and on...

Like I said, partisanship is one thing at least then the "fans" realize that
someone is better.  I don't like it when they do that, but at least they
have to live with their conscience afterward.  The parents are bad in that
they will hate the activity for "shafting" their corps and never really be
able to enjoy the activity.  Even if their corps wins it's because they 
"owed them after last year."


P.S. I don't beleive in the judging conspiracy theories like my brother.
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Krista/Guardsmen
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:57:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Krista, 

   What years did you march in Schaumburg?  What did you do,
i.e., guard, hornline, drumline?

   I loved the Guardsmen in '79-'82.  (Had problems getting people
out there in '82).  I really LOVED their winter guard, especially in
'80, '81 and '82.

   I marched in the New York Royal Guardsmen in '81, '82 and '83.
The Schaumburg Guardsmen were very friendly to us when we met at
WGI regionals/nationals, maybe because we had the same namesake!

Ken.
From: tmv@blitzen.uucp (26129-vandewater)
Subject: Boston in 14th? 
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:06:52 GMT


Can anybody defend Boston Crusaders' 14th place finish?  I saw them
in prelims and have no idea why they were that high.  I thought Marauders,
Spirit, and especially Sky Ryders were POINTS better than them.  Boston's
show did nothing for me and I, and the people around me, were shocked
by their score.  

Granted we all think differently about the placements, but does anyone
disagree with my opinion of Boston?

Tom
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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Subject: RE: So what happened to SCV? (Joe Pincetich <--That's the spelling!)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 09:49:41 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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From: hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall)
Subject: Re: So what happened to SCV??
In article <HALL.92Aug18164253@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu>,
hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall) wrote:
 
>In article <1992Aug18.145950.29375@pony.Ingres.COM> peteo@Ingres.COM (THE OLDER I GET, THE BETTER I USED TO BE, SCV '81) writes:
>[deleted]
>>   \\peteo
>>   SCV '81, Euph Platoon.
> 
>You don't remember a someone from '81 named Joe Pinsetisch (waaaaay off on 
>the spelling), do you?  He worked with Blue Stars in '82 and said he played
>Euphonium for Vanguard.  Just curious...
> 
>Kelly
 
--
When I saw that sig, (as Pete Ohno, SCV '81, Euphonium Platoon),
I thought of asking that same question.  Forgot about it until
I read this article.  *I* know Joe P. (no, I can't spell his Czeck
patronym either) and knew him long before any of the rest of you.
He and I marched together in Royal Cavaliers Youth Band from Van Nuys,
CA, in 1976-1977, where he played trombone.  I think he stuck around
in Royal Cavaliers until 1979 (I was in Kingsmen and North Star then).
In 1980, he marched in Freelancers (bad year for the corps-first score
was a 67--prelims a 69 and 19th place).  In 1981, I first saw SCV at
DCI Midwest and there was Joe!  Got to talk to him, too.
I didn't know he worked with Blah Stars--thanks for the info.
Last I saw him, he was working with Cal State Northridge's Marching
Band (drillwriter 1984-1985) (we're both alumni of CSUN; he has a
B.A. and I have an M.A.).  I haven't seen him since.
He was a big player of D&D when I knew him.  He even had my nose
in a dungeon!  Did he ever play D&D on the bus in Blah Stars?
 
Vince (but Joe called me Richard) Lamb