From: tahajian@aries.East.Sun.COM (David Tahajian - Sun BOS Software)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Trip report Foxwood Conn. - Clarifications on BJ etc..
Date: 24 Jul 1992 18:00:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Billerica MA
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Reply-To: tahajian@east.sun.com (David Tahajian - Sun BOS Software)
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>>In article <1992Jul23.003059.2747@tc.cornell.edu> beers@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jim Beers) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.192944.4757@ryn.mro4.dec.com> murphy@rock.enet.dec.com () writes:
>|> 
>|> So I sat down, 6 decks, (I think) and they dealt about %80.  DAS, one card
>|> on split A's, resplitting, DOA, and there was over/under side bet.
>    EIGHT Decks, if you were at a $5 table.  Only the $25 min and up have six 
>    decks.  I don't remember being able to re-split.  This is a goofy place.

I was there last weekend also... played poker at day and BJ at night.

For BJ, The is *no* re-splitting, 8 decks at tables less than $25 min., 
and more like 70% penetration (I never saw 80%, maybe your dealer was "new").
Also, not all tables offer over/under, some offer "super sevens"
(a side bet which pays off 3-1 if your first card is 7 up to 5000-1
if you get three suited 7's in a row), and some nothing but good old BJ.

At my $10 table, the max. bet allowed for O/U was $50, and must be less 
than your BJ bet.

>    First place I have seen that makes you actually insure the blackjack,
>    wait for the hand to be played, then pays off the appropriate bet, rather
>    than just offering "even money"

This is standard in AC also... that way the sky sees that the player really 
insured the BJ. What I found really weird (on my table) is that they allowed 
each player to take insurance at any time before taking thier turn... in other
words I was on 3rd base, got to saw everyone's play, and then when it was my 
turn I could *then* take insurance! I think they allowed this since most of 
the players did not really know how to play anyways. (see below)

>
>|> There were lots of poker games, and lots of empty tables, but I noticed most
>|> were $6/$12 holdem.
>
>   They have a lot of $1-5 stud tables - see below.

During the daytime, only 1/2 poker tables are in use. Go back down at 
late afternoon/night, all seats and all tables were full.

For the 6-12 7 stud game, the rake is .25/person, 5% up to 4.00 max.
For the 10-20 game, $5 charge per 1/2 hour, with no rake.
The higher games have a higher time charge.
Highest game is 50-100, sometimes a 75-150 will be running.
The quality of play on the 6-12 tables is good, but you can usually find 
someone who "plays every hand" and thus willing to part with his/her $$$.

Hold'em games range from 3-6, 6-12, 10-20, 20-40, 30-60, ...
They also have Omaha hi-lo (starting at 6-12), something called 
Asian pot limit poker, Pai Gow and Pai Gow poker.

>
>|> I did not have a chance to check into the food but heard it was ok.
>|> 
There are 3 restaurants, the $6.95 buffet (quantity, not quality), the 
grill (not bad for a bite to eat), and a small upscale Italian room
(for dinner only) which I found very good and resonable $$$ wise.  
(ex. 1.25 lb. lobster for $12, veal parm for $11, etc.)
All restaurants take the player's club card for 25% off meals. 
There is also food service in the poker room, served at your seat.

To get comped for the buffet, you need approx. 4 hours BJ at $15 min.
I assume more $$$ means a comp for the better restaurants.

MICHAEL HALL NOTE:  FREE MILKSHAKES are happily provided by your 
cocktail waitress: they offer banana, stawberry, and pina colada.
Quality is just o.k. (they do not use ice-cream), but it's free!

>|> What I did notice were lots of bad blackjack players.  Nobody at the 
>|> table was playing basic stradigy.  One woman who says she drives 110 miles
>|> three times a week to play was close, others were not ever close.
>
>   The poker players at the $1-5 stud are worse....

I don't know, this is really a toss up :-)
The BJ players are pretty horrible, they really do not know BS, let 
alone counting. People are asking me all the time "what do I do now", 
etc (this is on a $10 table). I've learned to just stay away from the 
$5 tables, people are really clueless there.  I've also seen bad play 
at the $15 and $25 tables, just not as frequent.

I haven't played on the 1-5 7stud tables yet, but I can tell you 
that the level of play at the 6-12 games is good, but much more lively
than in LV. (see my .sig)

>
>|> Also there was very little tipping, however the dealer said she was making
>|> good money, more then she could make anywhere else.  Tips were shared
>|> so she did not really care when she got a tip...

I heard that the waiteresses in the poker room make 50K - 60K a year, 
up to $300 on a good night. The dealers make just as much, mainly from 
tips.  Perhaps your table was cheap, but they make up for it elsewhere. 


>|> The dealer also made lots of mistakes, but never in my favor...

I split A's and got a 7 on one and 8 on the other. The dealer got
a 19 and paid me on my A8 and pushed my A7 :-)

>   There are some real shitty dealers here, very dumb.  They imported pit
>   men from AC, but only a few dealers, and I think the better ones are
>   dealing poker....

I agree... but ask them "how long have you've been here today?" Chances
are they'll say over 8 hours... there just still aren't enough delaers
for the demand, so they'll hire almost anyone to become a new delaer.

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Dave Tahajian                      | "YOU CALLED ME?!?" - What the AQ high
david.tahajian@east.sun.com        | player said to the winning AK player
Sun Microsystems, Billerica, Ma.   | at my 7-stud table in Foxwoods, CT.
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