From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The battle is won. So long for now.
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:52:07 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<1992Nov5.051619.382@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) :
>In article <1992Nov5.025402.18433@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> 
>sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
>>dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger):
[Doug's crap deleted]
>> This is the kind of crap that's been deterring me from posting
>> to this newsgroup.  At first, it seemed like it could be fun
>> to converse with various people, to find out how they think, to
>> give them a chance to meet and greet those with whom they might
>> disagree, ultimately to find (maybe) that most of us want the
>> best for babies and women and men and the elderly and...
>
>I agree with you that most of us want the best for "babies and 
>women...", but not everyone here wants to give any moral 
>consideration to "babies".  I label these people "pro-abortion",
>because they see nothing wrong with abortion. 

Then you'd be misrepresenting some people.  I give plenty of consideration
to babies.  I haven't killed one yet, and I often buy gifts for those
belonging to people I know.

>                                              Most pro-aborts 
>will hide behind the "prochoice" label, a label which implies 
>that abortion is wrong, but that it should remain legal.  

In my experience your definition here is incorrect.  Most pro-choicers
I've talked with feel that abortion is an unfortunate necessity, but 
not "wrong".  Open-heart surgery is an unfortunate necessity (I doubt many
people are looking forward to it), but I doubt many people feel it is
wrong.

>                                                          But 
>when any pro-choicer (or pro-lifer) expresses the view that 
>abortion is wrong, or that abortion is something to be concerned
>about, the pro-aborts will attack that poster. 

I've never attacked a poster on the basis of what they personally feel is
right or wrong.  Steve Adams for example feels that abortion is wrong.
It's people who feel that they have to enforce their personal convictions
on the rest of us that I defend myself from.

>From the tone of your post, you sound like a pro-choicer. Let
>me give you some advice: using the term "babies" is not likely
>to win you any friends among the pro-aborts.  

Incorrect.  I only object to the misuse of that term.

>                                              They despise any
>term which gives moral consideration to developing human beings.

We despise content-free emotionally-laden incorrect terminology.

>They want guilt-free abortions, and the term "babies" carries 
>a lot of guilt with it. 

It's an incorrect term.  It makes as much sense as refering to the
fetus as a 'quarterback' - it might enventually become one, but
it sure as hell isn't one while it's in the womb.


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel, 
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress), Beth 
"CJ", and Nadja, and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it.
[space reserved for alternate ex-girlfriends Eric R. and Drieux]
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