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From: wells@cs.hw.ac.uk (Francis Wells)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Future Opera Queen Needs Help
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:17:12 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr9.063111.16082@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>I'm a Vocal Music major, and Mr. Houfek, my instructor, has been telling
>me to do more listening to opera music to get a better idea of what's
>expected of me. I *was* spacing the suggestion, but I've been making a
>lot of progress over the past month or so and want to keep it going. So
>if anyone knows of any recordings of (male preferred) singers that have
>exemplary technique, please e-mail me.
>
>Soon to be seen in tights on opera house stages the world over,

That really depends on your range.  For deep baritones I think there can be
no one better than Tito Gobbi.  Sherrill Milnes though comes a close second.
Lighter baritones need to be able to vocalise like Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau.
(His recordings of Schumann are GOLD).

Tenors?  Variously, depending again on your depth and fortitude.  I should 
love to be able to emulate a melange of the big three europeans... The force
of Domingo Though with the enunciation of Pavarotti and the charisma/emotion 
of Carreras.  Softer tenors should perhaps look to the opi of Sir Geraint 
Evans & Peter Piers whose lifelong romance with Benjamin Britten resulted in
the revival of English National Opera and who has the inimitable -or so it 
seems- ability to sustain those otherwise breathless, intricate cadenza that
The Bach family liked to impose on their tenors.  Try his Peter Grimes or 
Bach's St John Passion (1971 I think).

Examples of how not to do it ?? 

Ricardo Casinelli!

Se Quel Guerrier io fossi...

...Frankums.

P.S. I am  atotally subjective creature don't you know!
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: IS OUTING ETHICAL?
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:26:00 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com

farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri):
> I think the subject says it all. Personally, I think it's very unethical
> for gays to out other gays. I think that gays have a right to privacy.

gays should have the same basic rights as anyone else in this
country.  unfortunately, some gays are hypocritical with their
stance on civil rights.  do you think it's fair that we protect
those gays who actively damage our movement?

on a side issue, the queer movement isn't so concered with the
right to privacy, rather it's concerned with the right to
publicity.  i can partake of all heterosexual priviledges if
i keep my sexuality private -- it's only when i'm public that i
need to defend my rights.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: GBLO fic (Was Re: Alexander the Great )
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:34:59 GMT

gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:

>Well, I find that the sex scenes in lesbian fiction are more
>interesting that in straight fiction, though I'm not exactly sure why.

One of my favorite books is Susie Bright's _Susie Sexpert's Lesbian
Sex World_. But I suspect Susie Bright can write an interesting piece
on just about anything.

Bill
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GBLO fic (Was Re: Alexander the Great )
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:39:14 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Livermore CA

In article <1992Apr6.183713.19743@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>In article <3235@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr3.085858.11640@u.washington.edu>
>>rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandy Hereld) writes:

:::I have a lot of bi and lesbian women friends who love to write
:::male/male porn  (well adventure stories too, but they tend to have
:::serious sex in them as well.)  I'm friends with the owner of the
:::local gay book store (Beyond the Closet), and I love to freak him
:::by pointing to books in the store with male pen names and telling
:::him the real author's names.

	Is this anything like Madonna getting a "hard-on" while
watching two of her male dancers French kiss?

	I wonder what gay men here feel about the idea of heterosexual
or bisexual women fantasizing about male/male sex. Does it qualify as
exploitation? 

:The scariest part is that most of these women got their start
:writing male/male stories/porn from writing fan fiction about
:Kirk and Spock's sexual relationship, (Except for the one who
:got started writing about Starsky and Hutch's sexual relationship.)

:(The scariest part is, they're great fun (for women) to read....)

/Loren
From: michael@xon.co.uk (Michael J Marshall)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pen Pal needed for friend in New Jersey
Keywords: penpal nj depression
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:11:43 GMT
Organization: X-ON Software - London, England

My good friend Steven lives in Lawrenceville, New Jersey, and has been
feeling rather down of late. He has very little contact with other gay
people where he lives, and the local college gay group seems to be
populated by rectal orifices.

I live here in London, which does restrict my communications with Steven.
Does anyone in NY/NJ/PA want a pen-pal?

Steven is 21, a pop music expert, some SF interest, studying for an
accounting degree.

I'd appreciate responses by e-mail directly please, as this isn't really a
topic for net discussion.

Thank you,

Michael
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:57:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.200219.9089@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

>Yet to drown a group out by shouting, to refuse to listen to anyone, even  
>if the message is the same... am I the only one that feels uncomfortable  
>about this? Am I the only one that sees the same strategies used in the  
>past against us?

The KKK's platform has already been heard.  It does not warrant
further patience.

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From: dcoster@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David P. Coster)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,princeton.grad,princeton.general,nj.general
Subject: Pride Weekend (Princeton, NJ)
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:22:28 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU


				PRIDE
			       WEEKEND

	     April 8            1992            April 11

			 Princeton University


Wednesday April 8

  10:00 PM - Chancellor Green Cafe
    Performance Night: poetry readings, play readings, singing and
    more ... by members of the lesbian, gay, and bisexual community.


Thursday April 9

  8:00 PM - Film Theater at 185 Nassau St.
    The Hunger (Tony Scott, 1983): Film showing and discussion with
    Monica Dorenkamp on "Lesbian Spectatorship in Hollywood and
    Independent Cinema".  Presented in conjunction with the 1992 Women
    & Film Series and the Lesbian, Gay, & Bisexual Alliance Film
    Series.


Friday April 10

  12 Noon - Murray Dodge Cafe
    Big Questions - "How do you reconcile your sexuality with your
    faith tradition?": Sponsored by the University Chapel, United
    Campus Ministries, and the Interfaith Council.

  4:30 - 6:00 PM - Woodrow Wilson Bowl 1
    Panel Discussion - "What is Lesbian and Gay Studies?"
    Panelists include: David Halperin - Classics, MIT
                       Jeanne Bergman - Anthropology, Williams College
                       Adrienne Donald - English, Princeton University
    Reception to follow in the Hinds Library, McCosh Hall.

  7:00 PM - Woodrow Wilson Bowl 1
    Shane: Film and discussion by David Halperin - "The Spectacle and
    the Closet of Shane".

  10:00 PM - Murray-Dodge Cafe
    Women's Center Cafe Night Presents - 
      Lesbian Lounge Lizards: lesbian duo song and comedy act.


Saturday April 11

  10:00 PM - Terrace Club
    2 Nice Girls: Admission - free with P.U. ID
                              $5 without
    Passes available at the LBGA/GALAP Office and at Terrace Club.


Pride Weekend is sponsored by the Princeton Lesbian, Gay, & Bisexual
Alliance with support from the Women's Center, McCosh Health Center,
the Share Program, the International Center, Classes of '92, '94, and
'95, Departments of English, American Studies, Women's Studies &
Anthropology, the Graduate School, the USG, the GSU, the Fund For
Reunion, the Coalition Against Homophobia, Mathey College, Forbes
College, Stevenson, the Dean of Students Office, the Dean of the
Chapel Office, and Terrace Club.


	    Lesbian, Gay, & Bisexual Alliance of Princeton
			 306 Aaron Burr Hall
			Princeton, N.J. 08544
			    (609) 258-4522

-- 
David Coster
dcoster@princeton.edu
From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Give me some tips on Paris, France, won't you?
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:04:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.exotica.703533874
Organization: University of Washington

joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
[...]
>8) Finding Tsilke's  name under the pinball machines in the backroom of the
>Manhattan. (Yes, Tsilke, I put it there...!)

Oh, Joseph, you're such a *romantic* !

Tsilke, who must go back to *see it for herself*....or any other
excuse she can think of....
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Hollywood Respect Re: Oscars
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:00:46 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <1992Apr4.223058.28024@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr4.180648.25081@nevada.edu>
>dickson@nevada.edu (JON THUMIM) writes:
>
>>Well, that was all I have to say.  You may all flame me now.
>
...
>>I may be a little naive but doesn't it seem probable that we
>>won't get any respect from Hollywood if we continue to rant
>>and rave about injustices in films, like "Basic Instinct"?
>
>Already noted by others: respect from Hollywood is not likely
>to be forthcoming.

"Hollywood" is a size queen: it respects only large bank accounts.
Everything else is "art", and as such is dispensible. Did anyone
notice the 180 degree revolution in film content when backers decided
that drug/alcohol/citarette portrayals in movie were "bad"? Or the 180
degree revolution when it was found that the audience created by black
rap, the heavy-metal for whiteboys of the late 80's/early 90's, was
sufficient for mandating funding of black film? "Paris is Burning"
will be one of the most influential queer films of recent years
because it made a little money, not because of content. 1000 "Longtime
Companions" (a film I didn't particulary enjoy) will less to further
queer film than 5 good, popular, "underground" films which get
distribution and make money. That's why I'm interested in what has
happened at the Sundance Festival. Think Cannes in '93.



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Subject: Re: outing the stars
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:18:13 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
> >Well, *I* lost interest in astronomy when I learned that the only way to
> >remember the Main Sequence was `Oh, Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me Right Now'.
> >Not being a lesbian, I became a computer scientist.
> 
> 	Oh, Fierce and Benevolent Gorilla, Kill My Roommate Next Sunday
> 	Overseas Broadcast!  A Flash!  Godzilla Kills Mothra (Rodan
> 		Named Successor)...
> 
> 	I've always wanted to come up with a GBLO*-oriented one
> or a good X-rated one...   Any takers?

Oggling Boys And Fondling Guys Keeps Me Ready 'N' Satisfied.
        Babes             Gals



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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:06:15 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley):
> This may not mean anything,

well, i didn't necessarily state that dolly is a lesbian -- my *aunt*
says that dolly is without a shadow of a doubt.  i present her evidence
to my friends who then tell me that i think everyone is gay.  whether
she is or isn't really doesn't matter all that much to me -- "just the
facts ma'am."

> You need to understand Hill people,
> their culture  is strong, and friendships are very strong. 

dolly and judy are indeed old friends from elementary school.  i think
my aunt says they've been friends since they were 8 years old.  they
might just be incredibly close friends, but i think it's much more
romantic to think of them as life partners...

-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
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From: elf@polari.com
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.100712.8495@s1.gov>
     lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

>   But what of the opposite? What about heterosexual women who
>get off at the sight of gay men going at each other?

   Disclaimer: "Elf, sometimes your life sounds like fiction."

   I know of a few heterosexual women, but my most striking example of
this was a recent encounter when a _lesbian_ I know approached me and
my lover and said, "I've never watched a man in action.  Can I watch
you two fuck?"

   When I replied that she could always rent a porn film, she said, "If
I wanted to watch a movie, I'd rent a movie!  I want to watch some dick
going into some ass!"

   Overcoming our initial reluctance, we did indeed do this
demonstration.  She invited three friends for this get-together, one of
whom left early (her choice, and I respect that).  The remaining three
apparently found the view quite entertaining.  "Can I get closer?" the
ringleader asked.  Brian assured her she could.

   The three self-identifying lesbians then returned the favor, which
both of us found (a) educational (much to my surprise [NOT!] their sex
was nothing like the "Girls on Girls" movies) and (b) entertaining.

   So, while this little anecdote may be an unusual one, it does
present evidence that women, or perhaps, "just people," cannot be
categorized as to their likes or dislikes.

         Elf !!!
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From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 21:16:48 GMT

This discussion of LGB SF writers just reminded me of a story I once
read in F&SF sometime in the late '60's. It was set in a post-
apocalyptic world; all I remember was that the cities were domed
fortresses, and periodically they would send out expeditions for some
reason I've now forgotten. The real threat was packs of dogs, which had
mutated and become (a) intelligent and (b) very homophobic. Something
about gay people would set them off and they would tear them to pieces.
The story tells of one such expedition; they go out of their armored
car, and are beset by a pack of dogs. All but one of the crew gets back
safely, but the dogs pick out the new crew member (a young man who
nobody else had suspected) and tear him to shreds. There's nothing the
rest of the crew can do to save him.

This story scared the hell out of me when I read it, and even now, not
really having thought about it for years, I feel a shiver. 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Opera Queens
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:41:35 GMT


In article <librdb.702821087@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>
librdb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Roy D.  Berridge) writes:

>I am sorry, but Hildegard Behrens owns the part.  There
>will be no discussion.  Thank you.

There certainly need be none if you're referring to
Brunnhilde.  But if you're talking about Salome or Elektra,
she can't hit the pitches with *near* enough accuracy!

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Seasoned Motssers (was Re: Responding to Bigots)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:14:43 GMT

> Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>hmm...  when i become seasoned (how long does that take?), what
>seasons will i be?

I thought all down-easters were salts?
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From: entropy@oconnor (Lawrence C Foard)
Subject: Re: Outed at my high school (anonymous post)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:22:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.211908.3701@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <uBP6iB6w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us writes:
>>[High school student uses computers to post to soc.motss and email other
>> motssers, High School teachers spy on him.]
>>What do you think?
>If you're able to fight it, fight it. I doubt many people would
>support the monitoring of private communication. It might even be
>illegal, although that's unlikely - school equipment and all that.
>Write a letter to the school paper. Become indignant - demand to know
>why they thought they had the right to eavesdrop.

I think the monitoring is probably legal but I don't think giving out the
information is (although I could be wrong). I think it is reasonable to expect
that any information on the computer is confidential. This is a good subject
for comp.org.eff.talk, they might be willing to give the highschool a call :)

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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:02:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <jcod13s@zola.esd.sgi.com> portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:

>m (who likes people to know when he's coming).


It is obvious... You start to yell "ohmigod!  I think I'm going to uh-uh-
uh-ung-unh-ung-uuuuuuunh!"


Oh sorry... I am letting your secrets out!




FWA
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Harlan Ellison (was Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:35:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <joshua.702833510@coombs> joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua
Geller) writes:
> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> >Which rather reminds me of Harlan Ellison's comment that he'd
> >never had a gay man make a pass at him -- and wondered what
> >was wrong with HIM that it had never happened....(!)
> well I don't know about anyone else, but *I* don't *do* midgets.

Ellison is 5'6"--hardly qualifying him for "midget" status.

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--
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discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..."
					 -- Isaac Asimov (1920-1992)
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: UK General Election
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:21:51 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I'm not a UK citizen and I've never visited but my ancestry
is English (as my surname indicates)....

In article <29e01b9e@ThreeL.co.uk>, jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:

> To these have been added the traditional values of thrift,
> hard work, the family and aggressive patriotism.  As
> Margaret Thatcher said, "There is no such thing as
> society; there are individuals and families, and that's
> all."

Of course she only says that when it's to her advantage to
do so.  I heard her a few months ago making a speech in
Parliament concerning common European monetary policy
wherein she said something like, "It is not the laws of a
people which determine its character, but the character of
the people which determines its laws."  Of course, she was
arguing for a basically insular view and I disagree with her
end objective but there does seem to be an acknowledgement
here of some sort of larger connection.

> I have to say that I find this a profoundly unattractive
> world-outlook.  I believe in society, in the common weal. 

Me too.  Good luck in your elections.

-- 
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huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:11:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr13.211148.3573
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr13.153908.15077@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>Not being a lesbian, I became a computer scientist.
>>I wish I had a quotes file.
>So start one!  I caved in under pressure, too ...

I thought about dropping this in my .signature file, but I decided it
would really only be appropriate in soc.motss. I envisoned some
posting of mine to a technical newsgroup in which someone reads the
signature and gets offended. I should fix my signature software to be
newsgroup specific.

I'm still waiting for SOMEONE to get offended at my .signature that
reads "Homosexuals were invented for an episode of Barney Miller".
That'll be a good one to explain.

>(Besides, this one fits your criteria, Nelson.  It's only one line
>long ... just edit out the period.)

How did you know what my criteria were? Are they that obvious?
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