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From: kevin@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:54:14 GMT
Organization: Metro State U, Minneapolis MN

In article <1992Dec17.113741.1890@msus1.msus.edu>, I wrote

I thought I should address and clarify a couple of points.  First I think we
have pretty much beat the apartment thing to death.  It all depends on the
owner.  I have raised a Springer Spaniel in an apartment (a studio) before.  I
crate trained her and she turned out to be a wonderful affectionate dog.  I
understand the need for excercise and getting outside. I ended up losing her
to my Mom who was in desperate need for a companion after my Dad died.  When I 
went back to school I ended up living with my girlfriend who lived in an 
apartment that didn't allow pets.  Well now I am going back to South Dakota to 
live with my Mom for awhile while I look for a job.  This means I can get 
another puppy of my own.  This means a fenced yard will be available
most of the time but periodicly I will be coming back to MN for (hopefully) job
interviews here.  Thats when I would be staying in an apartment.  My SO's lease
is up in January and she is looking specifically for an apartment or townhome
that allows pets. (She wants a kitten) I will crate train the puppy.  

Now back to the originally scheduled topic of this post.  I listed the
following criteria.

> 	1.  Good companion (eliminated a lot of breeds there didn't I. ;)
> 	2.  Adaptable to both life with a yard and life in an apartment.
> 	    ( I have crate trained a dog before and am comfortable with it)
> 	3.  A good hunter of upland game. (Pheasant, Grouse)
> 	4.  Between 65lbs and 100 lbs.

I put this requirment in becuase I enjoy rough housing with a dog.  I am 6'1
and weigh 235lbs.  The springer I had was great but I was always scared of
hurting her.

> 	5.  Preferabley short haired or not prone to shedding a ton.
                                                                              
I have recieved 5 replies and have gotten 5 different answers!
		1.  Weimaraners
		2.  Labrador Retriever
		3.  American Water Spaniel
		4.  Airedale Terrier
		5.  Basenji

I'm going to research all of these.
Thanks for all the responses.
-- 
============================================================================
Kevin Whyte						kevin@msus1.msus.edu
	**Representing and speaking for no one but myself.**
"Still, the best augurs are those who divine from the portents of the past. 
They compile phenomenal records." Croaker "The Black Company" by Glen Cook
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:02:30 GMT

Hello Siegfried!

My name is Siegfried too! I love snow too. We haven't had much snow
lately though. We had one big one last week and me and Baeki we went
out running in the corn field nearby. Isn't snow yummy to eat too??
Today it's rain rain rain. Daddy said it's going to rain for a long time.
I wish it would snow again, I don't like rain too much 'cause then Mommy
yells at me for getting mud all over the house.  Snow, now THAT is 
different, I turned from all black to all white in no time flat! And boy, 
could they see Baeki and me in the cornfield, even in the dark!!

I'll have to try making snow dogs. I just learned how to jump 
over a snow bank so it may take me some time to figure that 
out! 

Oh no! Here comes that nasty Pixel Mau cat...she's in charge of
the computer. They call her the "computer kitty". She bullies me 
around and I bet she's going to make me get off the computer too!
Mean ole' cat..well, I'm going to go chase Baeki now as the Pixel
Mau has me by the ear!

Bye computer doggies!! Bye Siegfried!!

Big Lovey Black Doggie Kisses to you all-
Siegfried, the black GSD.
posting from my Mommy's account too...
 
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From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Name the Puppy Contest...)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:12:24 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1ga5jgINN5uo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gai
> In a previous article, Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) says:
>>A couple names I've been thinking of have been Milton and Chaucer (Canterbury
>>Tails? :) ) I need both a call name and a registered name that ties in
>>somehow. Any ideas?
> 
> OK, I am asking for forgiveness up front but it just begs to be said that 
> Schnauzer (with no tail) begs to be registered as Canturbury TAILLESS.  (ha
> ha ha)
> 
> But seriously, when you said Milton and Chaucer, I immediately thought of
> Paradise Lost.  You could call him Dice.  Beowulf is also good as a
> registered name, call name Wolfie.

"Beowulf" is good (says the owner of Tristan!) but I prefer "Beowoof"! 
Literary names that popped into my feeble, end-of-the-semester-with-a-
zillion-things-to-grade mind were "Dickens" (you could register him as
"Oliver Twist" or something); "Faust" (by Christopher Marlowe - actually
"Dr. Faustus).  And then there's Falstaff from Shakespeare, though that
one still makes me think of beer!  There's "Edgar" after Edgar Allan
Poe, though I don't know if any of his stories make good registered
names!  ("The Tell-Tale Heart"?  "The Premature Burial"?  Yuck!
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Subject: Re: How to arrange for a friends dog at your hous
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:51:41 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In article <1992Dec11.154640.21435@mmm.serc.3m.com> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
>We will be sitting Dexter for one week over Christmas.  Both dogs are
>indoor dogs and we are trying to decide how to handle the times
>that we have to leave the dogs alone.

One other hint which I just learned the hard way :(
	Stock up on Nature's Miracle (or whatever)...

I'm Doggie-sitting this weekend for Barkus (2 y.o. well-behaved Golden),
Buffy's constant outdoor playmate.  What I hadn't anticipated:  Barkus'
spending so much time *IN* Buffy's "space" seems to have made her feel
compelled to Mark her space just so that Barkus has no confusion about whose
house he's in. :-( Although Buffy's been reliably housebroken for *months*,
she's been proudly escorting him through the house, from one room to the next,
"Marking" each room as they enter it for the first time, as unmistakably
*hers*. %^(    I follow, growling, "NO, BUFFY!" & dispensing Nature's Miracle.

Of course, it doesn't help that we're having the worst winter storm in the last
15 years (for the last 2 days, & continuing) so we're all pretty much stuck in
the house developing Cabin Fever.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: How to arrange for a friends dog at your hous
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.115142.523@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
}house he's in. :-( Although Buffy's been reliably housebroken for *months*,
}she's been proudly escorting him through the house, from one room to the next,
}"Marking" each room as they enter it for the first time, as unmistakably
}*hers*. %^(    I follow, growling, "NO, BUFFY!" & dispensing Nature's Miracle.

No offense, but Buffy needs what she would get if she similarly flaunted
the alpha dog's authority in nature -- she needs her butt kicked (not
literally!, always punish mostly by voice and whack them under the chin
so you don't hurt them permanently!) and needs, even worse, to be tossed
outside in the snow for a couple of hours.

Dogs are pack animals, and expect to be told in no uncertain terms when
they are not living up to the expectations of the dogs above them in the
pack's pecking order. If you do not establish this early and often, you
will always be following her and cleaning up after her. You need not
be vicious, overly violent, or vindictive; just fast, firm, and unwavering.

If Buffy knows that she will incur your wrath by marking, she will not
mark. The obvious corrollary is that if she knows she gets extra praise
and treats every time she does what she is supposed to do -- holds it until
taken outside -- she will flower. Whenever you take her outside, praise her
endlessly for simply relieving herself outside, and give her treats. And
when she marks in the house, use your voice (and your hand, if necessary)
to rebuke her instantly and harshly.

So much for Dog Psychology 101,
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
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From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Re: help needed with puller
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:40:25 GMT

ac0g@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANNEMARIE CONNOR) writes:

>I have a 16 month old lab mix who does not seem to respond to the choke
>collar.  This has been an ongoing problem and the correct use of the choke
>chain (quick, crisp snaps) does not seem to be helping.  I am considering
>trying a pronged choker or a head collar.  Anyone have any experience with
>these devices and their proper use?

Zeppo, our Bouvier, pulled like a tractor using a conventional choke
collar. When we switched to a prong collar he pretty much stopped.
We were reluctant to use it at first, because of its fearsome appearance,
but Zeppo truly does not mind it. Sometimes after using the prong collar
for a few weeks we'll go back to the regular choke just because it's
easier to put on. I t ususally takes him a few weeks to realize he can
start to drag us again, and then we go back to Mr. Prong.

Steven
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From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: Dog names? (not a trivial question)
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:41:59 GMT

In article <Stafford-111292093850@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <8075@lib.tmc.edu>, drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David
>Gutierrez) wrote:
>> 
>> When the old dog dies, do you re-use the name on the new one?
>> 
>I wrestled with this one, too.  For the sake of the papers, I'd
>go with a different middle/last but I will probably use one of
>my old favorites call name again.

It depends... My dog Cricket lived 17 years and died quietly in his
sleep.  We reused his name for Cricket number two, called twoie.

Rusty was run over at a little less than two years old when the idiots
who were painting the house let him out of the yard.  Even tho Rusty was
one of the nicest dogs ever, I don't think I could stand to reuse his name.

--

TNSTAAFD -- There's No Such Thing As A Free Dog.

cldavies@silver.sdsmt.edu        cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog Afraid of Storm Drains
Date: 13 Dec 1992 07:09:25 GMT
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: Raja's probably not a coward,  but just cautious and smart.  Still, the ends
: are the same.  I reasoned that his problem was jumping over obstacles. 
: Since I'm not an obediance expert, I did the best thing I could, which was
: to give Raja absolutely no choice but to jump the drain.  He could push on
: my leg all he wanted, but I kept the leash short and didn't alter my stride. 
: The first few times he just sat down and made me drag him for a few feet.  I
: don't imagine this felt very good, because soon he was nervously hopping
: over the metal grates.  Now he doesn't even think twice about it,  unless
: he's unsure of where the grate begins and ends, because he can't time his
: jump.  We can't all be perfect.

: So that's my advice.  Be the master and give Jasper no choice.  Jasper's
: likely to be nervous the first few times, but soon she'll start enjoying the
: sensation of running and jumping.

: Sunil Dixit  sd007b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
 
Teaching your dog to jump is a good idea but the method is questionable.
Some dogs have a natural sense of timing, some don't.  I would hesitate
to give a dog no choice.  Why not work on the jumping away from the 
distressing object?  Make it a game, for toys or for food.  Set up a
simple jump with a chute.  Have someone hold the dog while you go to the
other side.  Then call the dog to you as you move backwards and give
the word you want to use (jump, over and hup are commonly heard).
When the dog clears the hurdle, praise the dog.  As she gets better,
vary the jumps.  Then start going past a hurdle on leash, letting
her jump. Again vary the jumps.  Now work on the storm drain.

Rather than forcing the dog into something scary (never a good idea)
you have let the dog learn its own timing, built confidence and made a new
game.

If you really want to have fun with this, agility work is a blast!

Karen
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on dog sleeping arrangements
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:10:15 GMT
Organization: not much...

Our dogs (one at a time) have always slept in the room with us.  The only
exception to this is the occasional night that Katie has decided that my son
and her friend Pooh (a large stuffed bear) needed her company more.

Both of them are allowed up on the bed for a night or two after baths, and
neither has gotten spoiled by this occasional treat.  Actually, Fagin would
get up and jump off the bed before we were tired of having him up there with
us, and go back to his own bed.  Katie likes both.

As long as the dog doesn't damage anything, I can't see that there should be
any dos and donts...
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From: missi@stein.u.washington.edu (Melissa Schilling)
Subject: Re: Names for male dog starting with 'B' needed
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:01:48 GMT
From: ALI00JEV@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Judith Van Noate)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Flank Sucking, what IS it?
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:33:53 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

In article <18364@mindlink.bc.ca>
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
 
>
>I've just started reading a book called Canine and Feline Behaviour Therapy
>by B.L. Hart and L.A. Hart. Something known as 'flank sucking' is mentioned
>in several places in the book as a vice that some dogs get into the habit of.
>They suggest that dogs may do it to get attention or out of boredom etc. and
>they mention Dobermans as a breed that can be prone to it.
>
>Maybe I'm dumb, but they don't actually define it anyplace in the book, and I
>wonder exactly what they mean by it. Licking and chewing of the flank until
>it is raw? Is it that obvious? Anybody?
>
>Thanks!
>
>--
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>Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca   *For YEARS I wondered what ceiling wax was.*
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They put their mouth around the area where the rear leg joins the body.
Usually they are lying down, but I have heard of one that did it standing.
Mine would cry and cry as if in great pain.  it is a genetic disorder
but with my dogs it never caused any sores.  The licking of the legs is
a similar disorder, but this can cause serious sores--acral lick dermatitis.
It is sort of a compulsive disorder and very hard, maybe impossible to
stop.  I've had two unrelated dobermans with the flank sucking problem and
currently have two dobes and one GSP with lick sores--one is serious. I've
had an elizabethan collar on her since last may.  Took it off for a few
hours last week and she had the nearly healed leg back to a bloody mess
in minutes.
I pull at my hair when I'm reading or bored--I probably only sometimes
know I'm doing it.  I wish I didn't do this.  I suppose this is a genetic
problem too--goes back to our simian origin and grooming behavior??  I
don't know.  it must be genetic.
Judith
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From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:38:15 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <168C0CDCC.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
> Item #2 is incompatible with #3 and #4.  #3 because a good hunter will
> require lots of excersise - and that means more than just a walk after
> you get home from work.  Staying in an apartment/crate all day will not
> give the dog the excersise it would need (even for small hunting dogs).
> #4 is incompatible simply because I would consider it cruel to keep a
> large dog in an apartment all day (actually, I wouldn't sell ANY breed
> of dog to someone that lived in an apartment).
>  
> .soapbox off
>  
>       -----------------------------------------------------
> Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
> cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
> (409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
> (409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"


Chris, I often agree with what you say, but as someone who's lived in apts. 
for the past 6 years, I have to disagree.  Good homes for puppies/
dogs don't always come in the ideal shape and size (i.e. a house with
a fenced-in yard).  Admittedly, the apartment I live in now is in
fact most of a 2-story house (the other apt. in the building is a 
little one bedroom added onto the back); but I have lived in smaller
places with my Irish Setter and had no problems.

A responsible dog owner who lives in an apt. will take his/her dog
out several times a day to play and exercise.  An irresponsible
dog owner who lives in a house might stick his/her dog out in 
the fenced-in yard all day and night and never interact with it,
play with it, exercise it, etc.  I don't think you can generalize
about the nature of the owner from the nature of his/her dwelling.

In my case, I admit that having a dog in an apartment may have been
made easier for me by virtue of the fact that Tristan was 5 when
we moved away from home, so he wasn't a puppy.  We had also done
the championship campaign thing, which meant a lot of hours on 
the road, at show sites, in motel rooms, and probably made Tris-
tan pretty adaptable to new situations.

While I think a house and fenced-in yard are nice prerequisites
to require of potential puppy buyers, IMHO sometimes the best
homes are the non-traditional ones!


Holly Kruse
hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
(and Tristan - Ch. Rendition Wind Voyager - apartment dog
extraordinnaire!)
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Preventing coat breakage
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Dec14.104059.9480@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (SETTING UP FOR A FINISH) writes:
>I need to get some coat on my golden.  
>Does anyone have a regimen that they follow to get the dogs coat in shape for
>conformation showing?  

Kim: Although I thought Spencer's coat looked lovely in Detroit last month, I
can understand wanting to give him that "extra edge" with longer feathers,
thicker pants, etc. I've found with my Newfs that swimming (or any thorough
wetting of the coat) WITHOUT a shampoo, rinse, blow-dry & comb out can be very
damaging to the coat. It gets weighted down with dirt & debris (especially
from lake/pond water) that more or less dries in the coat. A dirty coat is
subjected to a lot more stress, and is more likely to break iunder normal
daily activities. Frequent, even daily, bathing/drying/powdering (Goldens, not
Newfs) of his front & rear feathers will go a long way towards maintaining and
encouraging coat length. You can even "put him in oil", but that's another
topic. Even if he is not swimming, a bath at least once a week is recommended
to maintain a show coat, plus daily attention to the feathers, chest & belly
hair. The surface Spencer lays on can also cause coat breakage. Rough concrete
is the worst, followed by gravel , astro turf, & even some carpeting. 
 The best surface is rubber matting (or dry, warm grass!) but a soft, comfy
dog bed covered with a sturdy cotton canvas material or fake sheepskin is also
good (synthetic fiber in some bedcovers & carpeting can cause friction against
the hairs, so they break more easily).
Now ask me if my young Newf special is growing a fabulous coat. Are you
kidding? Who has time for daily bathing or the money to resurface the kennel
floor? I never said I practice what I preach! :-)
*************************************************************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs

--
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dogs in apartments (Re: Opinions on breed)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:31:47 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
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In article <1992Dec18.164314.11632@newshost.lanl.gov>
   srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
 
>This is not really a flame, Chris.  I just think that it is a wee-bit of
>an over-kill to say your would not sell ANY breed to ANYONE living in
>an apartment.  Broad generalizations like this are rarely applicable
>to everyone.  I think that one should evaluate each situation individually
>and make an informed decision.
 
 
Actually, this is in response to all the posts.  I had expected some
amount of disagreement on my opinion, but I didn't expect an almost
100% disagreement.......
 
I am rethinking this and will let ya'll know what I come up with.
(gee, does that mean I'm reasonable?    naw, couldn't be that!)
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
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