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From: jedi@iesd.auc.dk (Allan Bo Joergensen)
Subject: Re: Is it Really this complicated?
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<1993Jan27.093422.27017@eng.cam.ac.uk>
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:20:05

In article <1993Jan27.093422.27017@eng.cam.ac.uk> 90sra@eng.cam.ac.uk (S.R. Atkins) writes:
>
>   >I'd like to play, but the mechanics seem terribly complicated.
>   >As I see it, I have to:
>   >1)  upload the *.rst files to my sun account in binary
>   Yep.
>   >2)  uuencode each of them
>   >3)  email each one to the appropriate player
>   Should be a simple script file to do both of those - my UN*X scripting is
>   a little rusty, can anyone oblige?
>   >4)  get responses from each player
>   No, wait for them to e-mail them to you...
>   >5)  write them to separate files and edit out the header
>   >6)  uudecode them to get *.trn files
>   Again a bit of devious scripting should be able to do this.
>   >7)  download them to my pc
>
>   >8)  run host and then start at the begining again
>
>   >am I over-complicating it?  If there's an easy way to do it, please
>   >tell me because I don't think I could deal with all that on a regular
>   >basis.
>
>   >					Thanx,
>   >						paul
>
>   This is all only needed if you're hosting the game of course....
>
>   A better solution would be to have host (which is a simple dumb tty app.
>   after all...) running on the Sun - any chance of some source code for
>   host, I wonder?

As a matter of fact I recently mailed T. Wisseman and he said that
he's working on a UNIX version of host, but it is NOT his top
priority.

- Allan

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Solo : Well, why don't you use your divine influence and get us out of this ?
C3PO : I beg your pardon, General Solo, but that just wouldn't be proper.
Solo : Proper !?
C3PO : It's against my programming to impersonate a deity.
From: mcglk@cpac.washington.edu (Ken McGlothlen)
Newsgroups: alt.games.vga-planets
Subject: Re: Don't we need a FAQ?
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:41:26
Organization: Dubious.
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In-reply-to: monty@iesd.auc.dk's message of 25 Jan 93 14:58:43

I'd be happy to maintain it, actually.  How about people start sending me
things that should go into the FAQ, and I'll start assembling it.  This
includes basic information about vga-planets, such as (a) a
concise-yet-complete description of what it is, (b) where you can get it, under
what conditions, and who wrote it and why :), (c) frequently asked questions,
(d) points of strategy, (e) possible trivia about the game, and (f) whatever
else y'all think should go in there.  Sound good?

				---Ken McGlothlen
				   mcglk@cpac.washington.edu
				   mcglk@cpac.bitnet
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Anon: Covert Hypnosis
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:59:14 GMT
Distribution: alt.hypnosis
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA

I have received a request to post a message anonymously, and am
honoring it.  I normally simply comply with these requests, without up
front comments (and certainly without any kind of editing).  There has
been some discussion on some of the newsgroups about anonymous
postings of late, and I wanted to make clear my position.  I have no
problem with anonymous posts, and will extend this courtesy as time
and resources permit upon request.  For those who are offended by this
practice, I will always preceed such postings with "Anon:" (as above).
Simply place this in your kill file, or skip such subjects, if this
offends you.

I request that anonymous posters sign their posts with some sort of
pseudonym, to keep them separate from me.  This has been done below
(and raises questions about the readership of the Hardy boys).  I make
no demand for consistency of pseudonyms, or anything else for that
matter.

I will henceforth, unless there are extenuating circumstances, simply
post this stuff without comment.  Please be careful in your
attributions; this may be difficult, but I do request the courtesy.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
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Hidden hypnosis is definitely possible.  It is not necessary to
receive someones (the subjects) overt permission to hypnotize
them.  In fact, you could following the following lines when 
talking to a friend and see if you can induce trance: (spoken
to subject): "You know, many people dont know what trance is.
When you become hypnotized you actually become very aware of
your physical condition.  You now become conscious of how your
feet feel in their shoes, and your shoes on the ground ..." (notice
the imbedded command: YOU NOW BECOME).  You can continue to
have them focus on what they are feeling, slowly going through
their body, and at some point synchronize your breathing with
theirs (quite important), and slow your beathing down.  "You notice
that as you become conscious of your body, you become more peaceful
and with each breath you become more relaxed" ... and into
"you are so relaxed you find your eyelids becomming heavy and
closing".  You started with what appeared to be an explanation
of what the sensations were, moved into them experiencing the
sensations, and then into a relaxational induction.  You need to
be smooth and pace yourself on this one ..
  
If you have access to it, there was a Montel Willams show titled
"Hypnosis and Seduction".  The two guests were Marshall Sylver
(A personal friend) and Ross Jeffries.  Ross wrote a book titled
(I may be a little imprecise) "How to get any woman you desire
into bed".  On the show, and I believe in the book, he showed a
reasonably covert method of inducing trance on 'his date'.  At
least for the purpose of the show, she did go into trance.  (The
guy is somewhat of a slime ball but did make >$50,000 from the
sale of the book last year.)

Aunt Gertrude
From: crgruen@sony1.sdrc.com (robert gruen)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Interesting Hypnosis Talk
Summary: Hypnosis & Reality
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:27:21 GMT
Distribution: usa


I have an interesting hypnosis idea that I read about but I belive that others 
may be interested in trying to verify or idsprove it.  

The story goes:  Say three people are sitting aroiund and one of them happens 
to be a hypnotist.  The hypnotist (we'll call him John) hypnotizes the subject  
(we'll call him Mike), and says "Mike, you are in a trance and from now on you 
will not be able to see Joe, he will be invisible" (Joe is the third person).
Now, Mike is hypnotized and he stares straight forward the hypnotist then tells 
the observer (Joe) to stand in front of Mike.  The hypnotist asks Mike if he 
can see Joe.  Mike replys that he cannot.  The hypnotist then proceeds to stand
behind Joe (who is invisible) and puts an object in his hand, he then asks 
Mike what object he is holding.  Mike immediately identfies the object that is 
being held up.  

In the book that I read "The Holographic Universe" the subject is able to 
identify a wathc that is held behind a person.  Apparently the person is 
"invisible",  if this is correct what does this say about reality as we know 
it?  If this is incorrect (and I have no reason to belive it is) then it 
was a good idea anyway!?! 

In any case, some of you may be hypnotists or know one this would be an 
excellent experiment I think.  If anyone knows more about this or tries it 
would you leave a post telling us what you know.  Also please don't just 
write a personal opnion, because that won't be very informative (probably), 
please try to include facts.

Thanks in advance,
Bob Gruen 
:

Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From:  (Greg Pallenik)
Subject: Re: I want to learn
Followup-To: alt.hypnosis
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:33:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.204720.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgs17@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan21.130516.2520@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, novotndj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> > Does anyone know of any teach yourself to hypnotise others books?
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > Don
> 
> What are your motives?

Okay, I'm not Don, but I'm interested in hypnosis, too.  A friend and I
were talking about it and we decided we wanted to try it.  Nothing kinky or
embarrassing, but nothing like quitting smoking either.  Just
sitting-in-a-chair-now-bark-like-a-dog type hypnosis.  Please, no flames.

Greg
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: Cramp
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:00:02 GMT

Try acu pressing.
Olli P.
From: raab@vlsi.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Andreas Raab)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Is hidden hypnosis possible?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:16:40 GMT
Organization: Integrierte Schaltungen und Systeme, FB Informatik, TH Darmstadt
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friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:
: In <1k0gfkINNfbs@rs2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> raab@vlsi.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Andreas Raab) writes:
: 
:   [background deleted]
: 
: >Finally, after half an hour or so, B had told everything and was
: >in a completely puzzeled state of mind. Even though I only
: >observed and listened to them, I felt also very puzzled and
: >distorted afterwards.
: 
: >Later, when I was alone at home, I realized that some kind of
: >magic was involved here, but I didn't know exactly what it was.
: >Yes, I did ask A what he did and how he did it, but he was not
: >able to tell me exactly what happened, it seems to have a lot to
: >do with intuition.
: 
: My guess is that "A" has a finely developed sense for the detection
: of incongruity, and the flexibility to change tactics until the
: incongruity is surmounted.
: 
: Incongruity is the dissonance between one part of behavior and

This could explain the change in B's behaviour. It does not explain
the puzzled feeling I experienced after observing the scene for a while.
Normally, I should not have experienced such an altered state of mind.
It is hard to describe what it was like -- something like day-dreaming,
not being fully aware of myself. 

B had a very similar experiencd, only much stronger. 

I'm not sure if hypnosis ist the correct term for what happened, at least
there were  two things:

- the ability to change a person's state of mind (not very precise I'm 
  afraid)

- suggestive talk/actions in order to provoke a change in behaviour

These together with the use of the voice and eye contact made me think
of hypnosis. Probably hypnosis is not the right word, suggestion would
be more accurate. What makes the difference? I think hypnosis is very
advanced suggestion, but maybe I'm wrong.

What are the properties of "covert hypnosis"? 

Perhaps I'm mixing up things that are completely different. I hope this
is the right place to make things clear.

	Andreas
From: johnlee@crash.cts.com (John Wiley)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Consumer Reports article
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:03:16 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA


There's an article of interest to this group in Consumer Reports magazine
(Feb.'93), entitled "Can Your Mind Heal Your Body?"  Although the article's
emphasis is on health issues, it offers a concise intro to many different
"new age" disciplines.  The following is excerpted without permission:
 
pg.113
"Hypnosis
  ...is a process of focusing attention that can be used to help people
relax and to help them control the body's functions.  ...is a state of high
suggestibility, and suggestions given can be used to affect physiological
processes in a number of different ways.  ...has been used successfully to
decrease headache pain, reduce bleeding in hemophiliacs, control the
severity of asthma attacks, reduce the discomfort of dental procedures, and
ease labor for pregnant women.  ...can also eradicate warts - a rather
mysterious phenomenon that may involve the immune system, and that is now
the subject of a major research study...
 
  ...is most effective when a person does not just rely on a
hypnotherapist, but also practices self-hypnosis regularly for weeks or
months.  The most reliable way to learn self-hypnosis is by working with a
professional, since different methods of hypnosis are most effective for
different people.
 
  ...audio tapes that promise to teach self-hypnosis often give
disappointing results.  In particular, there is no good research behind the
many "subliminal learning" tapes that are supposed to help you lose weight,
improve your attitude, or sharpen your memory through hypnosis."
 
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle)
Subject: Re: Am I material?
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:23:19 GMT

In article <C1FGoA.FKp@unix.amherst.edu> mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (A waste of bandwidth originating) writes:
>
>Greetings, net.folks...I would like to get your opinion on something.
>
>I am a 2nd year college student.  Although I am doing well, I am a bundle of
>nervousness and fear, especially when I am at college.  The worry is not always
>about anything I can explain; sometimes it seems like I can ALMOST tell what 
>I'm upset about, but not quite.  I do know about Generalized Anxiety Disorder,
>but I don't think this is that; there is SOME direction to the cascade of fears
>I am hit with (I don't want to discuss that direction here), and they have not
>been there all my life or anything like that.
>
>It sounds to me like I am repressing what is really upsetting me.  (At least I
>hope so; that would mean I could deal with it once I un-repress it.)  Is
>hypnosis the way to get at this information?

	Hypnosis might be helpful,  but I came upon an interesting idea about
anxeity reading a book about psychologies based on eastern philosophy.
Essentially,  anxeity can often be the feeling of life energy that is blocked
and is not being accepted.  Rephrasing this into 'scientific' language,
anxeity comes from your adrenal glands (and the rest of your glands) speeding
up your metabolism without an obvious purpose or focus.

	As such,  I tend to feel alot of anxeity around the end of the
semester,  or when an assignment gets canceled or postponed.  My body produces
the energy that I need for a heavy workload,  but I don't really have any
work to do,  so I feel like I'm "running fast" and like I need to do something,
like I must have forgotten to do something important.  Simply realizing that
this was the expression of the energy in my system,  I found that I could
recognize it and channel it into something pleasant -- like going to the gym
and shooting some hoop or riding my bike up a big hill or dancing.

	Now maybe you do have a deeper level problem,  and hypnosis can
sometimes be good for uncovering things,  as well as putting direct
patches on things.  My own approach to helping people is to use NLP,  cognitive
or BT interventions (whatever I feel comfortable with at the time) and I
figure this is a good way to deal with the symptoms until somebody is
ready to talk about the real problem,  if there is one.  As such,  I find
directive techniques blend in really well with evocative techniques.
From: mayer@owlnet.rice.edu (Christopher Francis Mayer)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Interesting Hypnosis Talk
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:12:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University

In article <1jl0irINNdf2@mirror.digex.com>, curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I promised a few hypnosis stories.
|> 
|> But first, an informal poll.
|> 
|> 1) How many readers of alt.hypnosis believe that a person can be compelled
|> to do something against their will, or something they would not ordinarily
|> be willing to do, because of post hypnotic suggestion?
|
I've read that only about 20% of subjects who are hypnotized actually are able
to enter that comatose state we all see in the movies and hear about all the
time.  This depends on the skill of the hypnotizer (hypnosist, I don't know
which is correct) and the subject.  So I would believe that maybe 20% can be
compelled to do things they wouldn't normally do by suggestion.


> 
|> 2) How many readers of alt.hypnosis believe that a person under hypnosis
|> or following a post hypnotic suggestion can fool a polygraph?
|> 

Sure, since people who aren't hypnotized can fool a polygraph as well.  I
would guess that hypnosis may make it easier for someone to fool a polygraph.

There's my $.02.
From: rich@cygnus.cygnus.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Interesting Hypnosis Talk
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:25:45 GMT
	<C1813K.F1L@rice.edu>
Reply-To: rich@cygnus.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cygnus Support - Palo Alto, CA +1 415 903 1400
In-reply-to: mayer@owlnet.rice.edu's message of 21 Jan 93 20:33:19 GMT

In article <C1813K.F1L@rice.edu> mayer@owlnet.rice.edu (Christopher
Francis Mayer) writes:

   The light simply cannot reach our eyes even if we don't believe
   there's anything there.  Now metephysical believers can argue
   against this by saying that our "spirit" can look beyond the normal
   laws of physics and hypnosis can help us get deeper into touch with
   our "spirit", but I somehow doubt this is the case.  But if these
   stories are true, then there are other senses that we have over
   looked...

I believe that our bodies, our eyes, our body language, our breathing
patterns, etc. all telegraph a near infinite amount of encoded
information.  Sometime early in life, we learned which of these had
meanings.  Those patterns got programmed in at a very low neurological
level as a defense mechanism against the onslaught of sensory
overload.

There are a number of techniques for fine tuning our reception of
these signals.  Some even deal with interpreting past and current
signals in terms of past or future events.  Hence, I find no need to
invent a new set of senses or even a "spiritual realm" in order to
understand how someone under hypnosis might be able to see through a
solid object.

In the cited example, the hypnotist (sic) *was* visible, although the
object was not.  Would the example have been easier to understand if
we'd known that the hypnotist was chosing from a finite collection of
objects?  Say, a box containing two or three?  This would also add
minute audio cues.
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Is hidden hypnosis possible?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:11:10 GMT

In <1k0gfkINNfbs@rs2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de> raab@vlsi.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Andreas Raab) writes:

  [background deleted]

>Finally, after half an hour or so, B had told everything and was
>in a completely puzzeled state of mind. Even though I only
>observed and listened to them, I felt also very puzzled and
>distorted afterwards.

>Later, when I was alone at home, I realized that some kind of
>magic was involved here, but I didn't know exactly what it was.
>Yes, I did ask A what he did and how he did it, but he was not
>able to tell me exactly what happened, it seems to have a lot to
>do with intuition.

My guess is that "A" has a finely developed sense for the detection
of incongruity, and the flexibility to change tactics until the
incongruity is surmounted.

Incongruity is the dissonance between one part of behavior and
another:  Simple examples include saying "Yes" and shaking the head
from side-to-side, or claiming to be comfortable while fidgeting
in the chair.

Flexibility is the ability to alter one's own behavior to do some-
thing different than what one has been doing.  If you do the same
thing, you can expect the same result.  If you do something different
you at least have the chance of eliciting a different response (e.g.,
the information "A" sought); do it enough times and it's almost
certain to work.

No apparent hypnosis at work here.

Which begs the question "Is hidden hypnosis possible?"  The answer
is *Yes,* and it is called covert hypnosis.

>Well, can it be that A hypnotized B? I know that eye contact over
>extended periods of time can induce trace, but what then? There
>was a lot of body language involved, and A used his voice very
>much. It reminded me at the wizard Saruman a character from "The
>Lord of the Rings" who bewitched people with his voice.

>I am really interested in the subject, it's fasconating to watch
>people interact. This "hidden hypnosis" technique seems to be
>used very frequent, especially in advertising, in particular in
>TV. 

Not quite the same, but similar.  Most of TV advertising operates
on the level of clever psycho-linguistics; the images often say
something quite different from the words, while the words them-
selves are loaded with presuppositions, intentional deletions of
information, etc.

-- 
--Friday                                    "One great use of words
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer         is to hide our thoughts."
   Deep Woods Technology                                --Voltaire
     friday@well.sf.ca.us
From: clgs17@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Is hidden hypnosis possible?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:59:28 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <DLB.93Jan26102730@fanny.wash.inmet.com>, dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
> I missed the original article in this thread.  I must therefore
> respond to a partial quote.
> 
>    In article <1k0gfkINNfbs@rs2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de>,
>    raab@vlsi.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Andreas Raab) writes: 
>    |> Is it possible to induce a hypnotic state in a person such that the
>    |> person doesn't realize what happens?
> 
>    [ stuff deleted ]
> 
>    |> Well, can it be that A hypnotized B? I know that eye contact over
>    |> extended periods of time can induce trace, but what then? There
>    |> was a lot of body language involved, and A used his voice very
>    |> much. It reminded me at the wizard Saruman a character from "The
>    |> Lord of the Rings" who bewitched people with his voice.
>    |> m really interested in the subject, it's fasconating to watch
>    |> people interact. This "hidden hypnosis" technique seems to be
>    |> used very frequent, especially in advertising, in particular in
>    |> TV. 
>    |> 	Andreas
> 
> Covert hypnotic inductions are certainly possible.  Erickson has
> published many examples, as have many others.  Erickson even
> recommends it in the case where a given client is clearly ambivalent,
> and the ambivalence results in considerable resistance.
> 
> Not having seen the original article, I cannot comment on whether a
> trance was induced in this particular case.  Hypnosis is not an
> "either-or" thing; being hypnotized is not a binary variable.  The
> answer to your question is probably, "To an extent".
> 
> 					Dave Barton
> 					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com