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From: oles@uniware.dk (Ole Skanning)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: FAQ: Info on sgml
Summary: Want info on sgml (FAQ)
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:35:18 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: UNIWARE danmark a/s

Hello

Is there an FAQ  list for this newsgroup ?

If yes could someone please mail it to me.

We have a client in the aircraft business who keeps dokumentation in 
sgml format, and are we are looking into ways of handling this documentation.

We are looking for the following information:

1)	A brief explanation of what sgml is.

2) References to litterature about sgml.

3) Information about products supporting sgml (UNIX or DOS/Winwows).

4) Converters to and from sgml to other formats (postscript etc.)
		(also on UNIX and DOS)
	
Please email me, as I don't read this newsgroup regularly.


regards
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Reply-To: oles@uniware.dk
From: drmacro@ralvm13.VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:28:46 EST
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: short introduction needed.  relation to TeX?
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <ucc02aa.721738960@sun3> Pilch writes:

>A friend told me, that SGML might be even more useful than
>TeX and that it has good development prospects because IBM
>is putting an effort into it...

>...I feel that IBM apparently doesn't want to promote this product
>at all and wonder what this forum is about.
>
>Hartmut PILCH M.A.
>East-Asia ftp-archive administrator at ftp.lrz-muenchen.de
>(Unfortunatly /pub/ostasien/sw/SGML/... is barren at the moment)

SGML is not a program or a product, but an international standard.
Many companies provide SGML-based products, of which IBM is only
one.  IBM is very much committed to the use of SGML for many
aspects of its own business, including the use of SGML languages
and processors for producing its product documentation and the use
of HyTime systems for delivery of hypertext and hypermedia.
At the recent SGML '92 conference there was a wide range of very
mature products and systems for working with SGML.  As a way to
solve some serious information management problems, IBM sees SGML
as key to its future documentation production and management
systems.

SGML is a data structuring language optimized for the representation
of text.  Thus it has direct application to the problem of creating
and maintaining translated documents.  TeX, by contrast, is
a programming language for formatting.  It can be used for data
structuring, but it lacks some of the attributes of SGML that make
SGML the better choice for data structuring.  TeX is still an
excellent choice for doing formatting of SGML documents and many
vendors can sell you systems that do just that.  If you have
an existing set of TeX macros that describe the structure of
your documents, it is probably an easy task to create an SGML
tag set that expresses that structure and then use a system
like SGMLS, which you can get for free off the Internet, to
create an SGML-to-TeX transform that maps the SGML elements to
the TeX macros you already have.  The advantage is that you can
do things such as use an SGML editor to edit your text with
more visual feedback but complete access to the structure provided
by the SGML markup.  You could also interchange your documents
with others who cannot process TeX.  For example, if I was to
buy your documents in TeX form, I would not be able to integrate
them into IBM's document processing systems, which are not TeX
based, but if you gave me SGML, I can quickly integrate them
because it is easy to integrate any SGML tag set into IBM's
system *because it is easy to write SGML-to-x transforms*.

Eliot Kimber                      Internet:  drmacro@ralvm13.vnet.ibm.com
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Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml,alt.hypertext
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Subject: Re: DocBook DTD released
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:23:38 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <Bxo166.DJC@ora.com>, terry@ora.com (Terry Allen) writes:
> 
> The DocBook DTD and its documentation can be found online
> in the Davenport archive (/pub/davenport/docbook) at ftp.ora.com
> (140.186.65.25).

This seems to be a good opportunity to bring the SGML archive at
Darmstadt (Germany) into mind again. ;-) It should be of interest
especially for European SGML folks.

	ftp.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.55.75]
	directory pub/text/sgml/

All Davenport stuff may be found in pub/text/sgml/davenport. In the
archive you'll also find free parsers etc.

Most files in this archive are updated automatically each Sunday. Ie,
if a file/directory is updated at the reference site (here
ftp.ora.com) it will be available in Darmstadt RSN.

More contributions are welcome. (Advice which TEI-L files to mirror
would also be of interest -- my time does not allow to work this out
by myself.) Archive access via mail-server will be available next
January.

Enjoy

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Joachim

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	typographic excellence?				-- Peter Flynn
Newsgroups: comp.text,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to FrameMaker
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
	<1992Nov16.032553.3507@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1992Nov18.025448.6320@uhura1.uucp>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:05:37 GMT

Funny -= we have WP 5.1X. We have had no printing problems. However, we
have had a host of other problems dealing with display, performance,
macros and tables. We have also had problems with WP processes refusing
to die, as well as WP processes refusing to live (the latter is more
annoying). After 2 updates, the performance has been improved greatly,
as we can actually run this on color machines (but not on our color 3/110
Xterminals yet - thank heavens for bwtwo!). But now on the mono X-terminals
( assorted 3/50's 3/60's amd 3/75's) you can actually type in real time.
(This was not the case before) and the screen won't refresh 8 million
times a second. I honestly cannot reccomend this product to anyone, as it
still has so many bugs, and does so many random, unexplained things.
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: gawkowsk@harpsichord.cis.ohio-state.edu (john andrew gawkowski)
Subject: Technical Report Available
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:48:26 GMT


Announcing the availability of a Technical Report: 

 "Toward A Universal Framework For Data Translation"

This work is being done by the Nagiya Research Group at the Ohio State 
University. The Nagiya work has evolved from the Chameleon project at OSU. The
purpose of this group is to expand upon the Chameleon foundation of automatic 
translator generation to support multiple data models.

Nagiya is a word from the Oglala Sioux Indian dialect meaning - the retention 
of a spiritual essence regardless of physical form.

This technical report is the beginning of our efforts to better understand
the transformation of information as it is passed between applications and 
data models.

Copies are available in Postscript or U.S. Mail by contacting 
tfletch@cis.ohio-state.edu. Please include your e-mail address if requesting
Postscript or your U.S. Mail address otherwise.

regards,

john a. gawkowski

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: john@rod.mitre.org (John Marsh)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Scroll list patch?
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:49:12 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation


A friend of mine (w/o access to the net) is having a problem that
he believes is due to a bug in OW2.0.  Use of the scroll list function
is crashing his software.

True?  If so, patch?
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: OLIT: Red focus color: HOW DO I GET RID
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:15:09 GMT
Reply-To: dj@micromuse.co.uk
Organization: MicroMuse - The SPARC dudes

In article lgfog2INNb3v@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, jmk@sun.com () writes:
>	You can set XtNinputFocusColor to a less glaring color. Or, you could turn off
>mouseless mode thru the application resource : XtNmouseless ....
>	Just set *mouseless: False in your resource file. Note that this works only
>with OLIT 3.0 & above. Also, you would'nt be able to use mouseless traversal (using 
>the keyboard) in this case.
>

Didn't it strike anyone that mouseless should be default false?

Where does one find the "red spot" documented in the Open Look GUI Funtional Spec
or Application Style Guidelines? 

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: olvwmrc
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:39:59 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: man page

folks,

i've just finished rtfm'ing the man page entry for olvwm.   it points
me to olvwmrc, for which our system lacks a man page.

could someone please send me the man page for olvwmrc?

thanx in advance,
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Openwin FAQ?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:09:59 GMT
Keywords: can't find it

hi there,

can some kind person email the openwin FAQ?  it's not in my netnews
spool directory.

thanx in advance,
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jpf@uuhelio.uucp (Jeff Francis)
Subject: Problem converting a Window to an XCanvas in NeWS?
Organization: HelioCentric Software
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:03:13 GMT

I have the following piece of NeWS cps code.

cdef ps_start(int xid)
	/NeWS 3 0 findpackage beginpackage
	(NeWS/Xstruct.ps) LoadFile pop
	(NeWS/Xselection.ps) LoadFile pop

	xid XLookupCanvas setcanvas

When I call this code I get an error saying that 'xlookupid' is
undefined.  When I grep through the various $OWN/etc/NeWS files I
can't find this operator.  Any ideas?  I'm simply trying to get at the
canvas for a given X Window ID.

Thanks in advance,
jpf
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: g9uaxt@fnma.COM (Alagesan Thiagarajan)
Subject: One Scrollbar can affect two windows simultaneously
Reply-To: g9uaxt@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:53:25 GMT

  I would like to know whether it is possible to affect the STATIC TEXT in  two 
 SCROLLEDWINDOWs can be affected simultanoeously by using one scrollbar.

  If so, what is to be done to acheive this.

 Thiagu



Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: viau@wm.estec.esa.nl (Pierre "play-soccer-not-football" Viau)
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste under x3270
Reply-To: viau@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:05:55 GMT

I'm interested too, and so are probably many people. 

Please post answer to this group (if anybody has an answer)


Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: fgreco@cfdev1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Subject: Re: In article 20K@phage.cshl.org, pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.135830.29835@chemeng.ed.ac.uk> martin@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk writes:
>Dumping XView and supporting OLIT is the worst case of short
>sightedness and ignorance there st. It certainly make me look like a
>fool, when people ask me about which toolkit to use. I always recommend
>XView to my colleges, it is so good.

	I was burned *twice*.  Once for recommending TNT and NeWS to my
	clients, now another for recommending XView.  I was told by
	Sun/SunSoft that, at that time in history, either toolkit would
	have a long and fully supported life.

>  					But what can I say when they
>mention Suns lack of support for it. When I mention Sun want to use
>OLIT (based on Xintrinsics) they decide to go straight to the Motif
>toolkit. 

	Exactly.  When my clients are told that Sun recommends OLIT,
	they say, the heck with OLIT, let's just go with Motif since
	its the same programming learning curve.  Why SunSoft does
	not see this happening is beyond me.

>Recommending developers to use OLIT is a way of persuading developers
>write for Motif straight away. At least you would be rewarded for the
>distaste in using Xintrinsics by increasing your sales potential!

	yes, yes, yes.

>Maybe this is the time for me to dump OPEN LOOK and go Motif with its
>poor unergonomic interface and dismal toolkit. B^)

	Or at least hedge with a dual-LnF toolkit.

>How long can you hope Sun will support you using the DOE toolkit and/or OLIT?

	One would hope that DOE does not follow TNT/NeWS and XView into
	the black hole.   8/

	Frank G.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: wiseb@fomalhaut.cs.rpi.edu (Bowden Wise)
Subject: Font Confusion with olwm
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:08:09 GMT

I have just recently started using olwm.  I have been using twm for a
long time, but olwm is quite different.  I have a question about how
olwm sets up its fonts.  I have been experimenting with how to start
up olwm in a couple different ways.  These two ways give me different
results on the fonts that are loaded.  

Method 1:  I changed the line in my .xinitrc file to read olwm instead
           of twm.  

Method 2a: I type "openwin" from the shell.  (My .xinitrc does not
           invoke a window manager.)

Method 2b: I type "openwin" from the shell.  (In this case, my
           .xinitrc file is not present.)
 
Now the confusing part.  When using Method 1 or Method 2a, the fonts
are loaded the same way, but the applications 'cm' (calendar manager)
and 'xvtdl' (To Do List Manager) are not using the correct fonts, so
often times when dialog windows open up the text does not properly fit
into the buttons.

When I use Method 2b, the correct fonts are used.  

Does anyone know what is happening here?  I am trying to set up my
environment with the minimum number of files so that I can start up
any window manager I desire easily.

Any help is appreciated.  Thanks!
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jpd@discovery.msu.edu (Joe P. DeCello)
Subject: Re: MailTool3 and .signature files
Reply-To: jpd@discovery.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:35:43 GMT

In article 28846@news.columbia.edu, dj@shiva.gsb.columbia.edu (Dev Joneja) writes:
]
]I use another method, based on .text_extras_menu file in your root directory.
]Add this line to the file:
] "Signature"      cat /your/root/dir/.signature
]Then, with the cursor at the end of the mail message, the mouse on text pane,
]use the right mouse button to bring up the menu, select extras->signature, and
]you have it. Indeed, since I use the extras menu so little for anything else, I have
]this line as the first one in the .text_extras_menu file, making it the 
]default for the 'extras' menu.
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]Dev Joneja    dj@shiva.gsb.columbia.edu


Well that's seems pretty stupid, since Mailtool already supports that by using templates.
Oh, I guess it saves you from moving the cursor back up to the top of the Compose window.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lih@jolt.att.com (Andrew "Fuzzy" Lih)
Subject: Re: OLIT: Red focus color: HOW DO I GET RID
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:07:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Summary: mouseless traversal
Keywords: mouseless olit

In article <1992Nov19.095931.20772@alex.com> dec@alex.com (Doug Clinton) writes:
>
>XtNmouseless is an application resource and thus cannot be set from
>within the application uaing XtSetValuse(). It can only be set in the
>resource database.

Perhaps what we need then is better documentation on this resource and
its relationship with XtNtraversalOn.  Something more than the
one-liner in the patch README file would be nice.

The need to add entirely new resource to turn off the inputFocusColor
in the scrolling lists leads one to believe that there was a serious
oversight in the implementation of mouseless operation.

/Andrew

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: Computer Chess Program
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:16:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.222918.30478@iitmax.iit.edu>, thssjms@iitmax.iit.edu (Jeff M. Steele) writes:
|> I'm looking for a X window (Open Look/OpenWindows) Chess program.
|> I looked at xchess, but you can not play against the computer.

xboard is an X interface to GNU chess. Not only can you play against
the machine but you can play 2 programs against each other.

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From: jk@tools.de (Juergen Keil)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: batching scrolling list updates
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:57:54
Organization: TooLs GmbH, Bonn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: leo.tools.de
In-reply-to: chrise@atc.boeing.com's message of 19 Nov 92 21:30:23 GMT

xv_set(panel_list, PANEL_PAINT, PANEL_NONE, XV_NULL);
/* insert/remove lots of panel list items */
xv_set(panel_list, XV_SHOW, TRUE, XV_NULL);
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: djb@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.j.bryant)
Subject: Re: XTerm for OPEN-LOOK
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:46:08 GMT

In article <pwdqvzj@lynx.unm.edu> khan@us17502 (Naseer Khan) writes:
  > <I just know that there is an Xterm out there that uses XView or Open-Look.
  > <Can anyone help, please....???!!!    Thanks in advance....

While the original request was for a "freely-available" product, enough 
discussion has gone by for me to jump in and say that we use a very nice
version of Xterm that has full Open Look support and a bunch of nifty extra
features (sophisiticated printer interface, color (ANSI X3.64) escape sequence
support, etc.).  It's called "SwitchTerm", and is (alas for the original
requestor) a commercial product.  A Motif version is available as well.
For more information, contact the vendor -- Micro Resources Inc. here in 
Columbus Ohio at (614) 766-2335.

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From: waisnor@norland.diag.stratus.com (Robert Waisnor)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: cmdtool, shelltool, and korn shell
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:50:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: norland.diag.stratus.com

I wonder if someone could tell me why my korn shell command line editor will
not function while running in a cmdtool window.  I've got VI and VISUAL set
right.  But the escape key is not being interpreted by the shell.  A shelltool
window works ok.  Also, can I change the title bar dynamically (display my 
current working directory)?????

Bob Waisnor

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From: csb@gdwb.oz.au (Craig Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Devguide's term pane
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:33:57 GMT

cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters) writes:

>The TERMWS package is a union of TEXTSW and TTY.  The TERMSW
>implementation is pretty kludgy and Sun have tried (without much
>success) to discourage its use pending the creation of a better
>package.  Hence it not being documented in Vol. 7.

Does this mean that Sun will soon have a new terminal interface
for shelltool and cmdtool?

Will we have a OpenLook terminal tool which works correctly with
korn shell, bash, tcsh, etc.?

Is there any more info about this new package?

I am sure we would like to supply some input in the features
required of such a package.
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