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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #213
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:57:51 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Fri,  4 Sep 92       Volume 10 : Issue 213

Today's Topics:

      2MB PowerBook RAM available
      800K System 7 startup disk for safe shutdowns
      Again: Ethernet QUADRA and Localtalk Printer (Q)
      Annual servicing of Macs (R-to-A :)
      Appletalk Remote Access bug
      ARA and remote access to InterNet
      Develop?
      EM 1.7 (A)
      Emacs
      Extensions Manager - new features
      FDHD upgrade help
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #212
      LaserWriter protection (Q)
      MacEKG Uses
      Mac Labels menu
      Mac Plus PRAM problems [Q]
      Maxtor 7213 Opinions?
      New Macs Rumor (Q)
      No More Windows Can Be Opened, it says
      Option key 'stuck'
      PC Exchange Software
      Problem running Superpaint on a server
      Problems with HD partion and Catalog Record Key FIle
      Problem with Vol.10, Issue 212.
      Question to Mac network managers???
      Rebuilding Desktop without Restarting (A)
      ResEdit and System 7 - I need help!
      Right-to-left text display
      Rise of the Dragon?
      Sad Mac code 0000 000F, 0000 0001 with Jasmine drive and FX
      Stuffit 3.0 vs. Compact Pro 1.33
      Stuffit Lite 3.1 problem
      StyleWriter v. DeskWriter
      Summary - Think C
      System 7 window views (A)
      Where/when is MacWrite Pro?

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:00 EDT
From: AL BEST <BEST@Ruby.VCU.EDU>
Subject: 2MB PowerBook RAM available

I just upgraded my 4MB PowerBook to 8MB and therefore have
a 2MB module available.  I don't necessarily want to sell it
over the net but I'll gladly send it to the person making
me the most creative offer.
Anyone who bought a 2MB PowerBook interested?

Best@Ruby.VCU.EDU

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:01:36 CDT
From: dmullen%pnet51.orb.mn.org@altos.Altos.COM (Desmond Mullen)
Subject: 800K System 7 startup disk for safe shutdowns

I submitted this tip a couple of weeks ago and got some replies that made
me realize I should clarify/correct a couple of things...

To avoid Desktop rebuilding when using the System 7.0 800k Disk Tools disk
(which uses a System 6.0.7 System file and Finder), make an 800k emergency
startup disk using only a minimal System 7 System file and Disk First Aid
instead of a Finder. On a Mac running System 6 use "Set Startup" in the
Special menu to set the startup application for the floppy as Disk First
Aid. Finally, lock the disk! (System 7 will "un-bless" a floppy without a
Finder)

When selecting "Quit" from the File menu after running Disk First Aid the
Mac will shut down properly with an "It's okay to switch off your
Macintosh now" screen.

Desmond Mullen
  Minneapolis, MN
dmullen@pnet51.orb.mn.org

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Date: 04 Sep 1992 08:30:16 +0100 (MET)
From: HANS KROEGER <KROEGER@dornier.de>
Subject: Again: Ethernet QUADRA and Localtalk Printer (Q)

Another try:
In Digest 209 I posted the following question:
.....................................................................
>Help needed: What is the status on this subject? We have a QUADRA
>connected to Ethernet and a Laserwriter NTR connected to the LocalTalk
>outlet of this QUADRA.
>Switching forth and back with the NETWORK Control Panel is a pain.
>Software solutions which were mentioned in earlier Digests were:
>"Internet Router", "Laser Bridge" and "Liaison".
>I would highly appreciate any recommendations from those who have
>solved this problem. In particular I would like to know whether the
>"Internet Router" is fully QUADRA (32-Bit + Cache = on) compatible.
.....................................................................
I got 2 replyes only which were the following
 --------------------------------------------
.....................................................................
Mark Haidl wrote
We use a laserbrige $199 and it works great. I don't know about
liaison but laserbridge is supposed to put a much smaller load on
your machine than Internet Router.
It is made by Sonic Systems. We had to order directly from them.
In the literature I have it says it will work on any Mac with ethernet
and that it is System 7 compatable.

Sonic Systems
333 W. El Camino Real
Suite 280
Sunnyvale, CA, 94087        Tel 408-736-1900       Fax        -7228
.....................................................................
eugene@rover.uchicago.edu wrote
Sorry, in the addendum to the Internet Router manual, there is a note that
AIR will not work with 32-bit addressing _or_ Virtual memory.  I haven't
heard anything recently about Apple's much-awaited AIR 3.0 (which, I
assume, would support 32-bit addressing).  If you run it with 32-bit
addressing on, you'll get packets lost all over the place.  It took us 2
days before we realized that we had this problem.  We are running it
concurrently with appleshare 3.0 and the Cache _is_ on.  But turn 32-bit
addressing on, and the computer runs fine, but no packets are sucessfully
routed.  Currently, we are looking at redesigning our network in a way that
avoids this, so we can use the full 20 megs in our Q700 I haven't
investigated Liason's 32-bit compatibility.
.....................................................................

I got several requests from people with the same question to keep them
posted ! So  p l e a s e  take a minute of your time and let
us know how you resolved your Quadra-on-Ethernet / LWR-on-LocalTalk
problem.

Hans Kroeger

kroeger@fn.dornier.de
kroeger@foca.dnet.nasa.gov

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 07:31:45 PDT
From: jbthoo@ucdavis.edu ( John Thoo )
Subject: Annual servicing of Macs (R-to-A :)

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:27:57 -0500 <baim@aaec1.aaec.co> wrote:
% The best reason for annual "servicing" of compact macs is correcting screen
% "shrinkage".

I never knew about a Mac's screen shrinking with age.  Thanks for the
tip, Paul, as I have a 3+ year-old SE/30.

Cheerio!
--John.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:43:30 GMT
From: John Quiggin <jxq302@anu.edu.au>
Subject: Appletalk Remote Access bug

I've just installed Appletalk Remote Access. I was held up for weeks by a
simple bug. When I opened the program I got a dialog box saying
"Appletalk Remote Access has not been installed properly (or extensions
have been turned off) Please reinstall and try again" Reinstalling did no
good.

Eventually, I discovered the problem was that my Mac (being alone) had
Appletalk turned off. When I turned Appletalk on and rebooted, ARA ran
fine.

But! My Personal Laserwriter won't print with Appletalk turned on. So I
have to reboot to use the printer.

Has anyone else met this bug. Does anyone have a solution?

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:35:08 GMT
From: John Quiggin <jxq302@anu.edu.au>
Subject: ARA and remote access to InterNet

A number of recent messages have possibility of Maclike access to the
InterNet via modem. I am always bemused by the world of TCP/IP, so please
excuse any errors. I will only say what works for me. I've just installed
Appletalk Remote Access. I can now dial in to my office network and use
Nuntius, Eudora etc. It's great (though at 2400 baud its slooow!).

Maybe someone could post a message explaining what the SLIP prorgrams do
that ARA doesn't.

Bye

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92  17:35 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Develop?

What is "Develop"?  Is it a magazine for developers, possibly from APDA?
How can one order it if it exists?

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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:39:26 PDT
From: jbthoo@ucdavis.edu ( John Thoo )
Subject: EM 1.7 (A)

On Thu Sep  3 09:52:48 1992 <Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca> wrote:
% >John Thoo mentions Apple Menu Items contents appearing in the Extension
% >Manager's list of stuff to run/not run.
%
% John, it's not a bug, it's a feature (it's documented in the Read-Me File.
% I can't resist a gentle admonishment to RTFRMF :-)). It works as you might
% expect; turning off Apple Menu things removes them from the Apple menu,
% moving them to an Apple Menu Items (disabled) folder. I haven't found a use
% for this yet.

I DID read the @#$%!!! ReadMe file!  Is the fact that I have a question
about EM proof otherwise???  Give me a break!!!

Whew ... with that off my chest, let me say ``Thanks, Mike'' for telling
me why having EM list Apple Menu Items might be useful.  I honestly didn't
think of what you suggested (i.e., it was *not* what I expected :-)  which
was precisely why I was confused.

By the way, I never suggested that EM's listing Apple Menu Items was a bug;
I simply asked what good it was, and if it was necessary.  Next time, please
read more carefully  ;-)

Again, thanks for clearing that up.

Cheerio!
--John.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 10:53:47 BST
From: J.S.Dhaliwal-SE0@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk
Subject: Emacs

I have recently received Emacs version 3.9, for my Quadra, and am a bit
confused on how to use it properly. I would greatly appreciate it if you could
tell me where I might be able to get an Emacs User manual for this
application. Could you mail me at the above address.
			Thanks
				Jet.

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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:18:05 PDT
From: mclagan@sfu.ca
Subject: Extensions Manager - new features

> Apple Menu Items contents appearing in the Extension Manager's list
> of stuff to run/not run.

This is a nifty feature if you have reason to enable/disable stuff
>From your Apple Menu and other places, but for those who already
have lots of extensions and control panels it just means a whole
bunch more names to scroll through as you are setting up your session.

Fortunately, I notice that the new Extensions Manager allows you to
customize which files will be "looked at" at boot time. This is
accomplished by letting you add or delete different file types for
EM to take notice of. However, many of us don't have a clue what
each type means. (I deleted everything but INIT, cdev, and RDEV.
That stopped all my Apple Menu stuff from showing, but it hid a
bunch of other stuff too).

Could some kind person take a minute and write a quick description
of the file types which EM considers? They are:

INIT
cdev
RDEV
PRES
PRER
adev
fext
scri
cbnd
fbnd
tbnd
ddev
appe
gc24
adrp
dbgr
dfil
APPL

Perhaps this would be best posted to the Net.

Thanks.

Yours with awaiting Extensions Manager,

Scott.
smclagan@fraser.sfu.ca

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:44:45 EDT
From: waxman@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Subject: FDHD upgrade help

Does any know about the FDHD upgrade?

The kit comes with a note saying "Installation instructions are in Volume 6 of
the Technical Procedures Binder (November 88)".  I took a guess and put the
replacment PROMs in a got the machine to boot and read/write low density
disks,
but still no high?

Any ideas?

Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 09:45:44 CDT
From: "Brad Schultz" <brad-s@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #212

In regards to the poster with the formerly sick Powerbook 170.  I had the
samexact problem with my PB 145, a couple of weeks ago(right down to the
damaged
System suitcase problem).  I'm curious to know if anybody else has seen this
happen on a powerbook.  I'd like to track down the error, and see if there is
some common ground so it doesn't happen to me again!!!!

			Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:38:33 +0200
From: awserkh@cc.ruu.nl(Geert Jan)
Subject: LaserWriter protection (Q)

We want to prevent other people (operating from another AppleTalk zone)
using the LaserWriter in our group. Does anyone know how to do this, and
how to do this cheaply. We are working with AppleShare 2.0, System 6 and
the printer has a seperate line from our StarNet controller. Would
upgrading to AppleShare & PrintServer 3.0 do the trick, is there another
way to do it by software or should we look at hardware solutions?
We would greatly appreciate any response.
Geert Jan Rademaker

e-mail: awserkh@cc.ruu.nl(Geert Jan)
tel:    +31.30.536794
fax:    +31.30.518219
post:   University of Utrecht
	Bijvoet Center for Biomolecular Research
	Dept. of Mass Spectrometry
	P.O. Box 80083
	3508 TB  Utrecht, The Netherlands

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Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 08:44:53 EDT
From: "Jeffrey N. Fritz" <JFRITZ%WVNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: MacEKG Uses

In response to a recently posted question, I use MacEKG regularly.  I
find it a helpful, but expensive way to monitor my Mac's performance.
It is most helpful for:

   1.  Showing me the effect of adding all those "got to have them"
       extensions and controls panels.  If I've added a processor
       intensive goodie, MacEKG will show it when I run a before
       and after installation test.

   2.  Keeping a watch over the ageing of my Mac.  My machine (a
       IIsi) is still fairly new.  Like most things, it can slow
       down (somewhat) over time.  MacEKG provides a histogram
       that shows me general trends in my machine.

   3.  Checking on my Jasmine DD 45.  My external Jasmine hard drive
       has been a faithful performer, but he is begining to show
       his age.  (He'll be five this November).  MacEKG shows me
       stickion problems and keeps general tabs of the access performance
       of the drive.  This won't help me avoid that day (real soon now)
       when the drive drops dead, but it does give me some confidence
       as to how its doing that day.

Jeffrey Fritz
West Virginia University

------------------------------

Date: 4 Sep 92  8:45:58 EST
From: D.EASTON/G-ECV-A@g-ate.uscghq.uscg.mil
Subject: Mac Labels menu

Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 13:25
From: D.Easton/G-E@g-ate.uscghq.mil
Subject: Mac labels menu

In reference to:
>I have been a very loyal and pleased user of system 7 since it came out.  I
>have been able to figure out and find some sort of use fro most of the
>features except for the labels menu in the finder.  I haven't been able to
>find any practical use for the labels....

If you are on a B&W Mac (plus, SE, Classic, etc.) you're right, there is no
use.  However, on a color system here's how I use them.
Lt Blue = Data file
Dk Blue = File Folder
Purple = System Extesion
Green = Appl. Preference File
Red = Application

Remember, you can change the color and name of each label under control
panels

This allows you to color code your icons by type without having to view by
kind.  There is still the problem of constantly updating your icons.  Each
time you create a file you have to remember to go back and color code it
because the mac defaults to black.  The feature would have been more useful
if when the user defined what the labels would be used for (in my case, file
types) the system could automatically assign these labels/colors (in my case,
by file type).

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:31:05 CDT
From: dmullen%pnet51.orb.mn.org@altos.Altos.COM (Desmond Mullen)
Subject: Mac Plus PRAM problems [Q]

I have a problem with my Mac Plus's PRAM; for the last month or so the
PRAM has gotten messed up periodically, though I can't find any pattern.

1)  The battery is new and has been tested with a voltmeter.

2)  Various parts of the PRAM get messed up at different times - sometimes
    the clock/date, sometimes just the mouse and/or the sound.

3)  When the clock/date get messed up, they don't reset to 1904 (or
    whatever the default is), they go back to the 30's, 40's, etc. Once
    the date changed to the future.

Things will be fine for days or a week at a time and then get screwy for a
few days on end. When a problem occurs, I zap the PRAM (command-option-P-R
on start w/Sys 7 or command-option when selecting Control Panel w/Sys 6)
and it holds for a little while.

I have a Plus with 2.5 megs RAM and a 40 meg HD. I run the HD with System
7.0 (w/1.1.1) (it's possible!) and run sometimes on floppies only using
System 6.0.7 (I do this so I can telecommunicate/play games in silence).
The problems have occurred during periods where I've ONLY run the Plus one
way or the other (HD or floppies), so this doesn't seem to be contributing
to the problem.

Aaaaaaaaaaaagh!

Thanks in advance for any replies.

(I'll summarize)

Desmond Mullen
  Minneapolis, MN
dmullen@pnet51.orb.mn.org

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 7:02:02 PDT
From: sheckler@leland.stanford.edu
Subject: Maxtor 7213 Opinions?

Hi!

     I was wondering if anybody has any good/bad experiences with Maxtor's new
7213 mechanism.  In particular, I'd like to know read/write rates as
determined
by Time Drive or similar utility, in addition to actual seek times, etc.  I am
most interested in learning these statistics for the drive when packaged as an
external, particularly if made by APS.

     Your experiences with the company you bought from, in addition to those
with the drive itself, would be great.  Please e-mail me directly at
sheckler@leland.stanford.edu and I will post a summary.

		       Cheers,

		       Steve Heckler

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:33:36 -0700
From: margot@garnet.berkeley.edu
Subject: New Macs Rumor (Q)

Hi everybody,
I heard that some new Mac models will appear soon.
Could anybody tell me what kind of models will it
be and when will they be available ?
Thanks in advance for your answer.
Antoine

margot@garnet.berkeley.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:48:12 EDT
From: jvaughan@hamilton.edu (Jon Vaughan)
Subject: No More Windows Can Be Opened, it says

I get this message when I try to open the thirteenth window in the
finder, using my two-page monitor.  Can someone tell me how to change
the system resource that sets this limit?  12 windows is reasonable for a
small
monitor, but digging deep into folders it's not hard to bump against the
limit on a larger monitor, especially when I forget to option-open the
intermediate folders.

Thanks,

jvaughan@hamilton.edu

[Mac II, two page monitor, Finder 6.1.5, System 6.0.5, 8 mb, Finder
Application Memory Size set to 512k (160k suggested)].

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:45 PDT
From: RGB Technology/703-707-9000 <SATRE@cisco.nosc.mil>
Subject: Option key 'stuck'

Every so often (seems like about once a week) I will find that my
keyboard behaves as if I'm holding the option key down.  I don't know
what causes this and the only remedy is to turn my IIfx off and on
(a simple reset doesn't do it).  This is very annoying since it makes
my command keys inaccessible (CMD-OPT-Q is not equivalent to CMD-Q)
and, of course, any typing is impossible.  I figure that somehow I'm
zapping the keyboard, but it's a mystery to me.  Anybody else seen this or
know of a way to undo it (other than the power down method)?

Steve Satre
Reston, Virginia

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 09:59:49 EDT
From: TCSMYTH@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU
Subject: PC Exchange Software

Has anyone had any experiences with Apple's PC Exchange
Software - good, bad, or ugly?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 00:38:51 GMT
From: u8704754@cc.uow.edu.au (keith marshall)
Subject: Problem running Superpaint on a server

I'm teaching a course where we need to use Superpaint on a fileserver.
Although we're licenced for superpaint 3.00, the Macs currently in
use here are only 1 meg SE's running system 6.x. Until the lab is
upgraded sometime next year, we're stuck with this setup. Now, to the real
problem: SUperpaint 2.00 doesn't seem to like filesharing. It only allows
one user at a time. I was told by the distributors that they believed that
there was an 'edpack' version of Superpaint 2.00 which was patched to allow
filesharing on a multi-user system. Does anybody have such a copy? We have
been told by the distributors that our site licence will cover us for any
versions earlier than 3.00. Failing this, has anybody heard of any patches
which would allow Superpaint 2 to run on our fileserver?
Thanx.

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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 21:42:08 EST
From: Jeff Kline <EGKLINE@indst.indstate.edu>
Subject: Problems with HD partion and Catalog Record Key FIle

Hello Netters
Boy am i having some strange problems with my APS Hard Disk. It started
about a week ago. I was rebuilding my Desktop File (on my SE, 2.5 megs,
internal 20 meg, external APS quantum 105, System 7.0 (tuneUp 1.1.1), ex:
apollo .84b, win, Disinfectant init, DAL, AppleShare, RWindowWizard
(just got that one), NoBalloon Menu, and some , mouse2) in the middle of the
rebuild (right at the end) it crashed and entered macsbugs. So I restarted
and did not worry. Well this happened again during a desktop rebuild.
Then i lost my disk Icon (generic document) My   105 is partioned into
5 smaller partions, and I lost the Icon for my primary partion (not the
system file containing partion). Well i checked this out with Mactools
and it said that the Record Key in the catalog file was Bad and that
Disk First Aid might be able to fix it. If that did not work (which it
did not). I was to backup the HD and reformat. So I did this. Now
in less than 3 days, I had problems getting the Pation to mount,
lost some icons, and Mactools says it is the record Key in the catalog
file  again.
Does anyone know of a way to fix this?
What can cause this?
Is it WindowWizard?
Could it have anything to do with copying shared files from work to my HD
at home? I noticed when i was playing around with Resedit that these
shared files still had the "Shared" bit checked even thought they were
no longer shared.I really do not want to rebuild again. That took me Hours
to restore the 5 partions.

Any suggestions? I would appreciate any pointers. Is there a commercial
repair app that will repair this file, without having to rebuild and format.

Jeff Kline
egkline @ befac.indstate.edu

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:24 GMT
From: STCH8002%IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Problem with Vol.10, Issue 212.

My copy of Volume 10, Issue 212 contains the entire application "Members
Only" in binhexed stuffit-ed form. I discovered this when it did
something unspeakable and evidently irreversible when I attempted to
import it into Peter Jorgensens very useful InfoMac Digest HyperCard stack
so now I have to try to transfer the other 62 issues therein to a
new copy. Bah Humbug!

Fergus J. Lalor, Department of Chemistry, University College,
Cork, Ireland.
STCH8002@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:22:00 +0200
From: "jordi@sc2a.unige.ch ==> S. Jordi, Geneva, Switzerland"
<JORDI@sc2a.unige.ch>
Subject: Question to Mac network managers???

Hello there,
I'm a Mac network manager (up to 20 Macs). Actually, the Mac server is really
to slow (the server itself is a MacPlus).
We will change it. We want to buy a Mac Quadra 950 to do the work. It has to
share the files (with AppleShare 3.0), be a fax-modem server, and be a remote
Oracle server (we will connect to a Sun through it via Ethernet).
Does anybody of you havesuch a configuration ?
Is a Mac Quadra 950 really justified, or a simple Mac IIci will be enough ?
(Money is not a problem!).
We need very fast access to disks and files (we use this very slow FileMaker
Pro, and when 10 users are connected to the same file, accessing it is really
not like a Porsche).

Thanks for any help!

Sincerely,
Steve Jordi-Dpt of Geophysics-U of Geneva-Switzerland-jordi@sc2a.unige.ch

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:33:35 -0800
From: Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca
Subject: Rebuilding Desktop without Restarting (A)

Les Ferch writes:
>>>A much safer solution [for quitting the Finder so a DeskTop rebuild can
>>>be done in System 7 without restarting] is to use one of the plethora of
>>>programs which safely quit the Finder by sending it a 'quit' AppleEvent.
>
>>Can you give us a few "for instance"s for programs that can do this?
>
>I have tried adding a Quit menu to the Finder and installing Quit Finder
>and Start Finder FKeys but I have found the easiest and cleanest approach
>is to use the application Anti-Finder. It is no longer in the archives, so
>a resubmission follows.
>
>To rebuild a System 7 DeskTop without restarting, you would launch
>Anti-Finder (which will quit Finder), then hold down the Command and
...
Another quick way is to use Andrew Welch's ColorSwitch CP. Make sure the
Finder is foremost, then change colour depth. The Finder will restart.
Change it back, holding down command and option; the Finder will restart
again and offer to rebuild the desktop.

Cheers

Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:25:00 CDT
From: dmullen%pnet51.orb.mn.org@altos.Altos.COM (Desmond Mullen)
Subject: ResEdit and System 7 - I need help!

I'd like information on ResEditing the System 7 Finder.

Specifically, I want to add:

1)  a command key equivalent to the Help menu

2)  bi-directional scroll arrows at each end of the scroll bar in a
    window (like Scroll2). I thought you could add/change scroll
    arrows fairly easily in System 6, how about 7?

I'll post a summary of replies.

Thanks.

-DMullen

P.S. I got all the pertinent "Tech" and "Tips" stuff that was available
>From Sumex - no goodies in there on either of these problems.
Desmond Mullen
  Minneapolis, MN
dmullen@pnet51.orb.mn.org

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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:37:57 CDT
From: Gregory K. Iverson <iverson@convex.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Right-to-left text display

What's the best current Mac arrangement for displaying and processing text
in a right-to-left writing system, like that of Arabic or Hebrew?  Anything
work with Word 5.0a?  Will System 7.1 and "World Script" make this any
easier?

--
Greg
iverson@convex.csd.uwm.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92  17:34 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Rise of the Dragon?

I wonder if anybody has come across a massive new adventure game called
Rise of the Dragon, reviewed in the current issue of MacUser UK.  I say
"massive" because the reviewer claims it requires 9 Mb of hard disk space!
The game is said to be almost cinematic in its implementation, with
changing scenarios, animation and sound effects.  The goal is apparently
that you as hero are called upon by the mayor of some crime-ridden
metropolis to track down the purveyors of a lethal drug.
I'm normally quite blase when it comes to games, but I seem to have a soft
spot for adventuring, and I thought Prince of Persia was terrific.  If
anybody has seen/played ROTD, send me your comments/reviews!  An upload of
a demo disk would be handy

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 09:25:31 -0400
From: cornell@freya.cs.umass.edu
Subject: Sad Mac code 0000 000F, 0000 0001 with Jasmine drive and FX

Howdy. I just tried connecting an FX to my old Jasmine DirectDrive 20
and upon powering up I get the sad mac with the code shown above.  The
Jasmine drive worked fine with a plain Mac II. I'd be grateful if
someone could tell me what's happening and how to fix it.


Sincerely,

Matthew Cornell


Note1: I checked "sad-mac-codes.txt" but didn't find an answer.
Note2: I tried the Jasmine with VM off, 32bit addressing off, and no
other drives connected. I got the same sad mac response.
Note3: I'm using an old Jasmine driver; could this be the problem? I
tried calling Jasmine but I couldn't get a human to talk to.
Note4: I'm don't have a SCSI terminator on the Jasmine; could this be
the problem?

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 08:56:37 -0400
From: rarcuri@itsmail1.hamilton.edu
Subject: Stuffit 3.0 vs. Compact Pro 1.33

Robert E. Winston writes:

> Stuffit now has, what, 3 or 4 flavors while Compact Pro delivers
> essentially the same performance (faster, but not quite as tight)
> with the same format it started with.
> Could it be that Bill Goodman got it right the first time?

I have compared both Stuffit Lite 3.0 and Compact Pro 1.33 regarding speed
and compression size, and have found Stuffit Lite 3.0 to be about twice as
fast and considerably more compact than Compact Pro.  Can anyone else
verify my results?  I tried many different file types too...

Russ Arcuri
rarcuri@hamilton.edu

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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:00:49 MST
From: DWANDERER@MISVAX.MIS.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Stuffit Lite 3.1 problem

Was wondering if anyone had this same problem.

I had the Aladdin folder inside my extensions folder when this happend.


Tried to print from Word 5.0 and my machine locked every time.  As soon
as I removed the Aladdin folder from the extensions and rebooted, it worked
fine.

Any help?

Thanks

Dave
dwanderer@mis.arizona.edu

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:04:48 EDT
From: leue@galen.crd.ge.com (Bill Leue)
Subject: StyleWriter v. DeskWriter

> I would appreciate hearing from people who have had to decide between the
> StyleWriter (with new driver) and the DeskWriter (with its new driver). I am
> specifically interested in speed compared to Best Quality on an ImageWriter;
> paper jams; grayscale and text print quality; and operating costs. Thanks in
> advance.  Eric.

Two weeks ago, I would have written a nice, mild reply stating that
the StyleWriter gave a bit higher quality images but was somewhat slower.
Unfortunately, in the interim my StyleWriter has committed violent
self-immolation.  There was no advance warning -- I turned it on one day
and it started making horrible grinding noises.  My dealer tells me it
requires a new "frame" (one of the 2 field-replaceable units) and that
it will cost me $309 plus tax!!!  This is for a printer which has always
been treated well and is only two months out of warranty.  Yikes!

My appeal to Apple for warranty relief was turned down.  In fact, the
Apple customer Service Rep that I talked to even pointed out that it
would be more cost-effective for me to buy a new StyleWriter than to
repair the present one, since I would get a full one-year warranty.

I suppose I should have read the fine print in the StyleWriter manual,
you know, the one that says "Caution -- this unit cannot be repaired
in a cost-effective manner if it breaks, and oh, yes, it is likely to
break suddenly just after the warranty expires." :-(

I suppose I should stop this self-serving whining, but this was my first
really bad experience with Apple hardware, and I'm still trying to
figure out what to do.  Presently, I'm inclining strongly toward buying
an HP DeskWriter.

-Bill Leue
leue@crd.ge.com

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 11:23:38 EST
From: Francois Brillon <FBRILLON@UDESVM>
Subject: Summary - Think C

Hi,

   Fist, thanks to every body that send me information about my request
of a book for learning C programming language on Macintosh (Think C)

   A lot of people ask me to send them the results... It's more easy for
me to send a summary to Info-mac, but if anyone have questions, he is
welcome.

   First, the "Learn C on the Macintosh" is a good choice to learn the
language itself, but not specific to Think C. Many people suggest me to
begin with that.

   Second, "The Macintosh C Programmer Primer" will help to program using
Think C and the Macintosh interface. From Mark and Read at ADDISON-WESLEY.

   Third, "The C programming language" from Kernighan and Ritchie is a good
book too.

   After I know the C and the compiler Think C, some people suggest to get
the new Inside Macintosh serie.

  I don't have much information about the book above, sorry. If I made
mistakes in this summary, please correct me! 8-)

Thanks again to every Info-Mac readers!!

Francois  -- ((Sorry for my english!))

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 11:11:14 -0400
From: "Alan D. Danziger" <aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: System 7 window views (A)

In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:

>We recently installed System 7 in our lab on a Mac IIx. We have two external
>hard drives that are shared by our lab users. I have a folder on one of
them.
>Ever since we installed System 7 on the one Mac, when I double-click on my
>folder,
>the view is by small icon, and all of the icons are scrunched together. This
I
>find to be a major annoyance (I prefer the view by name).
>Nothing seems to help this problem. We have tried rebuilding the desktop to
no
>avail.
>After signing on, if I select view by name, the names appear as they should.
>The view will stay that way as long as I am signed on. Once I sign off, then
>sign back on, the view goes back to the scrunched small icon view.
>I have the feeling that this is a easy fix, perhaps even something I know (or
>should know) but just can't remember. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dom-
  I think the problem you are having is that Appleshare doesn't accept
your reordering of the desktop icons.  Try "Clean up" & setting the
view from the Appleshare server.  At least, I think it's an Appleshare
problem.  And I think that you are using Appleshare, since you
mentioned a shared hard drive & logging in/signing off.  If I'm wrong,
well, good luck anyway. ;)

	-=Alan

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92  17:53 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Where/when is MacWrite Pro?

My Apple dealer recently mentioned that now would be a good time to buy
MacWrite because it's not bad and anyway it would cost "almost nothing"
to upgrade to MacWrite Pro if and when that eventually arrives.  Has it
been confirmed that upgrades to the ephemeral MWP will be very cheap, and
what is the latest prognosis on MWP?  Is there a general enquiry e-mail
address at Claris US that I can write to?
It's most disappointing that Claris has been keeping everybody waiting
for MacWrite Pro for positively ages.  Bearing in mind Apple's recent
grovelling towards Microsoft, my only reaction is that surely Apple
wouldn't have to be that dependent on Microsoft if only Claris could get
its act together a bit better, and perhaps expand if needed, so that they
can keep producing the solid and comprehensive Mac software that we all
know they're capable of.  After all, exporting and importing documents
amongst applications from different software houses is a relatively easy
problem to sort out, so if that's done and Claris can deliver the goods
in terms of its own packages, would it really then matter if Microsoft
decided to wind down its Mac efforts in favour of Windows?  Claris'
efforts gained a foothold for the Mac at the outset, so why are we now in
some ways in thrall to another software house with its own unfriendly
GUI to push?  It doesn't make sense

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