From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:30:28 GMT

In article <Bw4sJ3.6rM@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> 
> >In article <1bfmioINN2ve@phakt.usc.edu>, zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
writes:
> >>   I own tuition to my parents ONLY. My parents are CHINESE PEOPLE
> 
> The parents of the college students can only provide a fraction of 
> the education cost for their kids. People in a country need college students,
> so they put their money together to support some of their kids to
> go college while take others back to factories and farms. The reason that
> people in a country do so is to expect the college students will serve
> their country and their people more effeciently.

You are right that people in a country expect college students to serve their  
country and their people more efficiently. However, people definitely don't  
want college students to be just machines or robots of CCP because college  
students are also humans. Because college students receive more education than  
ordinary people, they tend to know more about the country and the world. They  
are usually not so easy to fool. This is dangerous in a communist country  
bacause not easy to fool means "unstable" as ordinary people.

I think most CSS here are willing to contribute to their motherland. However,  
because of the high education they receive, many of them (maybe including you,  
Mr. Wu, but I doubt) are not as foolish as to regard China and CG as the same  
identity. So, their reluctance to go back to China now does not necessary mean  
they don't love China. From your many previous posts, I found you have confused  
China with CG.


> 
> Gao1 Kao3 (the college entrance exam) is nothing but a way to select the
> "lucky" kids who recieve the money not only from their own parents, but also
> from the parents whose kids "failed" in the exam. The exam is fair, but
> the result is not completely fair.

The exam is fair and the result is also fair.It's more of merit than just luck.  
Otherwise there would be 1 billion (at least 0.5 billion) college students in  
China. You can only select a certain percentage of people. I think you won't  
let China have more than 1 million Presidents simply because there are more  
than 1 million people want to become Presidents. Your motive sometimes is kind,  
but your arguments and points are usually stupid.

> 
> Someone may say that if our parents earn more, they should be able to pay
> our tuition. Well, in USA, the parents do earn a lot (not simply because
> they work hard and have hi-tech, but also because their country grabs huge
> amount of wealth from the 3rd world). However, even in USA, the tuition 
> paid by parents does not cover the education cost completely. 
> The public universities recieve money from tax-payer's share, of course.
> The private universities collect money related to the tax-examption, in
> other word, the money should otherwise be paid as tax in some sense.
> Though the fraction covered by parents may vary from country to country,
> it is not 100% anywhere.
>

You are wrong. American parents earn a lot because of their hardwork and  
hi-tech. Look at how people "work" in China. Here in the US, it usually takes  
less than 20 people and 10 days to build a not-so-small building while in  
China, it takes 50 people and 3 months to build the same building. See the  
difference? This means American workers should be paid about 20 times as much  
as the Chinese workers. 

Yes, USA does exploit the 3rd world countries. However, have you ever thought  
why China doesn't? China simply doesn't have the ability to do so. This is  
because when the ancesters of Americans were working hard to build their  
country, our ancesters were just busy fighting against each other for various  
reasons. Even now, there are still people like Shannon Yeh who are eagerly  
promoting war among Chinese "to settle to dispute among Chinese". I think it's  
fair that China is still poor, just like it's fair that some people fail to go  
to colleges. We got all this because our lousy ancesters. I hope our next  
generation will not blame us for the same reason. 

So, don't get drowned in the CCP propaganda. The west did do bad things to us  
Chinese. But this is not the only or important reason. The most important  
reason is ourselves. We can't excuse ourselves anymore.


 
> There is a Chinese idiom: "Er3 Shi2 Er3 Lu4, Min2 Zhi1 Min2 Gao2".
> (Er3 = your, Shi2 = food, Lu4 = salary?, Min2 = people, Zhi1, Gao2 = wealth)
> Most of the Chinese college students do know the fact described above, 
> and they do know what they should do.
> 

Well, you should know that if our government utilize our resource properly and  
efficiently, we would be much better off.  In fact, the waste of "Min2 Zhi1  
Min2 Gao1" by the government is much much more than that by the CSS.  

I support current CG's open policy and I cherish my hope that China will become  
richer. But I am not over-enthusiastic unless China finally gets rid of  
communism (in fact, I think China is getting rid of communism gradually).

Carl