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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:45:21 -0400 
From: Robert Isenberg <ri10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Stores in Michigan?


I'm going to be moving to the Dearborn, MI area in about two months and
was wondering if anyone out there had any recommendations for comic
stores.  I'm looking for a store where they treat you well, and where
they have a decent in-store subscription service

I don't know exactly where I am going to be living, might be Ann Arbor,
might be Plymouth, might be Bloomfield, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Bob.

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From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)
Subject: Re: The Little Mermaid #4: Submerged in Horror
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 06:07:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr12.225739.1@fnalb.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalb.fnal.gov (I Elmo) writes:
>
>	The disturbing subtext I get from _Mermaid_ and pretty much every other
>Disney film is this:
>	Everyone falls in love forever at sixteen.  Love lasts forever.  Once
>you're in love, your life will be perfect.

    I think you are being too kind.  Disney movies also support 
 "traditional" women's roles: they fall in love, get married, and
 have children, but careers are a no-no.  Fat women are evil, skinny
 women are evil, strong-willed women are evil.  Dead women, though,
 are good - the Prince falls in love with Snow White after she
 has died.  And the doofus prince in Cinderella is so blinded 
 by the glitz that he does not even remember Cinderella's face.
    I guess I would have liked the Little Mermaid more if she had
 actually HAD to sacrifice her voice.  I would have loved Beauty
 and the Beast if the beast had either stayed a monster or died 
 horribly.  But Disney movies are so sickly sweet that even a semi-
 bad ending is impossible.

>	Contrast this to the actual life that six-year-olds see:  divorced
>parents, loveless marriages, domestic violence, parents who dominate or
>manipulate or play mind games with their children.  I can't possibly blame that
>on Disney, but Disney is not giving children anything resembling realistic
>expectations for their future.  Instead of learning how to love, children are
>being taught that they will fall in love and live happily ever after.

   Indeed - I think you've hit the nail on the head here.  I know that
 movies are supposed to be a form of escapism, but Disney had refined
 this art beyond redemption.  Dammit, I want a sad ending, sometimes.

-- 
"You ask me if sex is one of the most  _\_\    _/_/     Phred Platypus
 important things in life?  Absolutely. _\_\  _/_/  Grammarian of Vengeance
 But the lack of it is even likelier     _\_\_/_/ [ vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu ]
 to drive you nuts." -- Harlan Ellison    _\_/       Vincent J. Murphy
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Third Elmo)
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Organization: Muppetgame IV
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:36:11 GMT

	You can't split DC and Marvel; the two companies' outputs are virtually
identical in theme.
	You could split off an indy subgroup: r.a.c.indy and leave the main
group intact.  That, of course, pisses off the people who want to discuss
Sandman but not the X-Men.  You could call the subgroup r.a.c.alternative,
except who'd say what's alternative?  Is Sandman alternative?  It's a
mainstream book published by one of the big two, but it clearly doesn't belong
with, say, the Nomad thread.  And Demon and Sandman often cover the same
ground, but one's fanboy and one's adult.
	One conceivable split is 1.  the main group for topics of general
interest, eg, the list of what came out this week, "Who's Alan Moore" type
questions, and so on; 2.  r.a.c.superhero, for the puncheminnaface crowd; 3.
r.a.c.alternative, for the Sandman/Hate/Cerebus/Love'n'Rockets discussions.
Cross-posting would be subject to flames; any discussion which connected
superhero to alternative, ie, DC's Hell's Hierarchy, would get moved to the
main group.
	I think it's imperative in any split to leave an r.a.c or an r.a.c.meta
to cover multiple-genre discussions, polls, con announcements, and the like.
-- 
                         |  "Is this Heaven?"
elmo                     |  "It's Iowa."
morrow@fnal.fnal.gov     |  "Iowa?"  "Yeah."
morrow@physics.rice.edu  |  "It feels like Heaven."
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 09:22:10 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
 <rs5flINNvv@lisa.cs.widener.edu> <1992Apr13.121408.16077@samba.oit.unc.edu>

In article <1992Apr13.121408.16077@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Dino.Ciccone@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Dino Ciccone) says:
>|Another thing off the top of my head doing it in a TK bubble if Jean was to
>do
>it in a Tk bubble and loose her concentration that would cause some problems
>wouldn't it.
>Just my opinions on some things I've kept pretty quite.  I will probably
>have more comments later

Hence the reason why Sue and Reed decided that Reed would be the one to do
all the necessary work.
Just my opinion on that particular line.

Doug.

Introducing the Saga of Ace, a story of a young girl, childish innocence,
and military demolitions in the Marvel and DC Universe.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT: NO!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:34:14 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr9.124156.11037@kodak.kodak.com> From: houchin@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Scott Houchin)


> I also read r.a.c. without a kill file. Mostly because I have never seen a
> topic here that I can unconditionally say I would never want to read. This
> help keeps me open minded -- even Marvel puts out a couple worthwhile titles.

> I don't like the idea of a split. I really don't even like the idea of the
> mandatory subject keywords (MARVEL:, DC:, META:, ...). The only purpose they
> really serve is to allow you to kill large groups of articles without even
> seeing them. How can know that they won't be interested in EVERY Marvel
> article to be posted until the end of time (I'm only using Marvel because
> the discussion seems to indicate that most people who are blocking out large
> groups like this are blocking out Marvel).

But the people who don't read Marvel don't have that opinion.
If there was MARVEL: on this post I wouldn't read it.  If it is
a general issue such as comparing artists or writers,
that is one thing but it is the recent MARVEL comic I would ignore it.

The only reason I even look at subjects with MARVEL in it is because
Marvel is a word and can be used in other contexts such as
Captain Marvel, marvelous, etc.

> What if a few years ago the discussion had been:
> Subject: MARVEL: Alan Moore's _Watchmen_	...

Than I would not be reading it.
But Moore would not be writing it because it did not have the
minimum daily allowance of crap.

-- 
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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 16:42:37 EDT
From: <34RUBSJ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Glasgow Comic Con 1992 Report

Carrie Lynn Walters  Sec. 16278
Hello, Ahmed!
     I hope you're having a wonderful day.
From: douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: CEREBUS:  Thoughts on the third aardvark
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:20:19 GMT
Organization: The Lion of Serrea

In article <1992Apr11.154453.2102@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, am332@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David E. Leibow) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu () says:
> 
>>In article <1992Mar31.100047.26481@salado.rc.arizona.edu>,
>>pathall@astro.as.arizon> writes :
>>                                                                       
>>                                                                               aardvarks is; we know they can have sex, but can they have offspring together?
>>> In other words, are aardvarks a distinct race, or an occasional mutation among 
>>> humans, and where would aardvark-human crossbreeds fit in?  In "Odd
>>> Transformations" near the end of Church & State Vol. I, during part of a dream
>>> Cerebus is having, a human woman says something to the effect of "Cerebus, how
>>> many times do your father and I have to tell you, wear your hat, no one wants
>>> to look at those ears!"  This strongly suggests to me that aardvarks are the
>>> occasional mutation (but what a mutation!) among humans. 
>>
>>Hmm! At THAT point, I was JUST as convinced that Cerebus was "obviously"
>>ADOPTED!! Of course --- well, we've read Sim's Usenet response to whether Oscar
>>is the "same character" in Jaka's and Melmoth.......
>>
> 
> Cerebus was adopted.  Dave said so in an old letters page, I forget exactly
> where that was.  He said that Cerebus' childhood was similar to that old
> Bugs Bunny cartoon where the stork mistakenly delivers Bugs to a couple of
> expectant gorillas and the father gorilla is immediately suspicious and
> nasty while the mother gorilla is violently protective.  Its interesting
> that Dave used to let tidbits like this appear on the letters page in
> spite of his otherwise being very tight lipped about this sort of thing.
> At this point its very difficult to go back through all those old issues
> trying to find pearls of important stuff which he let slip at one time or
> another.  Maybe now that he is apparently answering letters again he can
> be coaxed into further revelations, he used to love numbered questions.
> But, I sincerely doubt it...
> 
> -dave
> 
> -- 
	This got me wondering about what we know from context about 
Cerebus' youth.  I've been locating his appearances in other books 
lately, and they contain some interesting little tidbits.
	To anyone who's read the "Young Cerebus" stories in _Epic_: Who 
was the guy with the eyepatch in "The First Fifth" meant to be?  Any 
guesses?  And how about the other kid?  (If that is his father, I can see 
why he told the Abbess he loves his mother better...)
	One piece of information from _Anything Goes_: when Michelle left 
him, Cerebus was a tax collector.
	And, if we can accept everything in _TMNT_ #8 at face value, at 
age 19 he was already well settled as a mercenary.
	Anything else to fill in, anyone?
			--Doug
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From: kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Subject: Re: Informal discussion: rec.arts.comics.{indy?}
Organization: Univ. of Michigan ITD Consulting & Support Services
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.230702.6129@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>Maybe the way to get r.a.c split is to use the elephant sculpture
>method:  get a big piece of stone, and cut away everything that doesn't
>look like an elephant.  Marketplace seems to be working, r.a.c.strips is
>spectacularly successful.  R.a.[comics.]manga is under discussion.  One
>comment that's come up again and again in strips is "Gee, I always avoided
>r.a.comics but this strips group is for me!"
>
>I suggest we try to create rec.arts.comics.independent.  This would be for
>discussion of comic books which are done by small press companies, self
>published, or otherwise done independantly of the big two.  The charter
>should explicitly avoid the name and number of the big guys, on the
>assumption things will change over time.  Most of what goes out on the
>comix mailing list fits into that category; perhaps the group would be
>better named r.a.c.comix.  The comix mailing list isn't drowning in
>volume, but I suspect there's a bit of pent-up readership for this topic
>which is unable to deal with the volume of r.a.c.  Other names are
>solicited.

I agree totally.  I think the main adavntage of another newsgroup isn't
that I don't have to wade through articles I don't want to read
(thank god for the half-dozen or so newsreaders I have at my disposal)
but rather to attract people who wouldn't otherwise read the group.  I
want to *increase* traffic with indies discussion, and just posting
about it doesn't do much if like-minded people stay away from RAC 
because the general atmosphere doesn't suit them.  I'd still read both 
groups, but I wouldn't expect most Bagge or Clowes fans to share my
appriciation for 'longjohns' comics.
-- 
Ken Small
kens@umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
From: shobaki@chico.cse.ogi.edu (Khaldoun Shobaki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:28:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36150
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute - Computer Science & Engineering

In article <1992Apr11.022929.8487@Princeton.EDU> adchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen) writes:
>In article <JEFFT.92Apr10204701@air-traffic-controller.mit.edu> jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang) writes:
>
>>Well without SS, what does spidey have on venom? Venom is move viscous,
>>stronger, tougher, and faster.
>>
>Actually, Spidey doesn't even have his spider-sense when it comes to
>Venom and Carnage.  Neither of them trip his spider-sense, which is one
>of the main reasons they give him such a hard time.  The only thing

I just read my marvel universe on Venom last night, and found out that not
only does Spideys SS not work around Venow, but that the alien costume
actually gives Venom/Brock a pseudo-spider-sense of his own.
So now, Venom is stronger, more vicious, tougher, and faster tahn spidey,
and he has a spider sense.  Pretty impressive that spidey is still alive if
you ask me...

-kal



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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Youngblood I
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:02:17 GMT

In article <92100.094132EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.184513.1@runt.appstate.edu>, grs02500@runt.appstate.edu
>says:
>>
>>Has anybody heard anything about the new youngblood series.  It hits the
>>stands
>>in a week and I just found out about it.  It appears to be a new mutant group
>>in another marvel universe.  What's the deal, didn't marvel already find out
>>that "New Universe's" are not hip.  But I'm looking forward to Rob's work on
>>the comic.
>
>I couldn't help but laugh when I read this.  Youndbloods is a book being
>published by Malibu comics, as Marvel has just given Robbie the boot.
>As a side note, dont expect it to be out for a little while more.  Malibu is
>up to its armpits in lawsuits by Marvel due to a lot of the Youngbloods
>Universe stuff.  The Savage Dragon first appeared in a Spider-Man book,
>making him Marvel's property and the YB characters are copies of Robbie's
>X-Force characters.

No, The Dragon first appeared in _Megaton_ (as revealed in CBG).  A character
in a crowd scene with a physical similarity to The Dragon does not ownership 
make.

And, ya know, I still don't get how Youngblood is a copy of X-Force.  In what
way?  None of the characters physically resemble each other, none of the
powers match -- and so they all have bad attitudes, but so do most spandex-
types these days.

Youngblood #1 is due next Wednesday (shiiping April 13th).

------
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Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria
(opinions disassociated, but what can they do about them?)
"...an eternity with Beelzebub and all his hellish instruments of death shall
 be a picnic compared to five minutes with me...and this pencil."
					-E. Blackadder
------
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:26:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

rlawson@ac.dal.ca writes:


>	Will someone who is going to be in the same city
>for two months please offer to be the poller for
>the rac.DC/rac.INDY/rac.MARVEL split.

    I personally have no problem with running the RFD and CFV for a
rec.arts.comics split proposal. What we nedd to decide is this the way
we want to split the group? Do people want a DC, Marvel, Independant
split? I'm not so sure that this is the best of all possible splits.

--
-Hades  (Brian V. Hughes)   | "When you get right down do it there is only
 hades@Coos.Dartmouth.Edu   |  one thing that matters here...
 Mac Database Developer     |                       I Have Mob Ties!"
 Dartmouth Medical School   |      -Mario Cuomo (played by Phil Hartman)
From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: RE: STARWARS
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:26:28 GMT
Organization: Camosun College

In article <92101.212628DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   - In one of the earlier posts on this topic, it was stated that
>   "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" contradicted some of the later Star
>   Wars films. In what way did it do so? I'm frankly just curious, as
>   I don't remember much about "Splinter".  Also, I never heard of
>   "The End of the Empire"; what was this work about, and is it
>   regarded as official canon by anybody?
> 
> 
>                                          -- THARIZDUN

Well... from what I can remember from the book "Splinter of the Minds eye"
(by Alan Dean Foster)

BTW The book appears to take place between "A New Hope" and "Empire Strikes 
Back"

1) basicly, the plot of the book was a race to gain posession of this red 
gem that maginfies the force you can control giving incredible power to the 
holder of the gem. This gem was never mentioned *anywhere* else in anything 
I have read concerning SW.

2) Darth Vader is killed in a unsurvivable fall into a huge pit (with 
lava?)

3) Leia fights Vader with Luke's Lightsaber. You would think that she could
have used her power over the force to help herself (without meaning to)

4) It is said by the old woman (forget her name) who helps Luke and Leia 
that she could feel the force in him (but she felt absolutely nothing in 
Leia...)

5) Luke is able to modify his Lightsabre's length and width.

This is all I can remember at the moment.
Oh, BTW, dispite the above... I LIKED the book. It was a great story I 
reread several times.

Fair Winds...

Scott.
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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: Billy Mumy (WAS Re: DC: Doom Patrol Annotations (long))
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:25:38 GMT

sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:

>fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:

>>rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung) writes:
>>>>More Billy Mumy trivia: he wrote/sang a very strange song called "Fish
>>>>Heads", sometime in the early eighties (I think).

>>>  Even more Bill Mumy trivia: He's half of the comedy music group "Barnes and
>>>Barnes", which is where he did "Fish Heads" originally. B&B have also done a
>>>bunch of other stuff, including "Touch Yourself" (a bouncy number about...er,
>>>safe sex) and "Goodbye Old Friends" (a farewell to STAR TREK VI).

>>Yet *more* trivia:  the other half of Barnes & Barnes was Miguel Ferrer,
>>Albert Rosenfield of TWIN PEAKS.  


>Still more Bill M. trivia: As a kid, he had a few parts on "The Twilight
>Zone."  One of his roles was the psychokinetic kid in "It's a *Good*
>Day," an episode which later found its way (in altered form) into the
>"Twilight Zone" movie.

Hey, why stop now?  Mumy had a cameo in the movie version of "It's a 
*Good* Life", directed by Joe Dante.  (If memory serves, though, it
was under a different title -- refer to Roger Ebert's review of the film,
which is (thoughtfully) broken up into the four and a half episodes).

Incidentally, I felt that the in-your-face cartoony Dante rendition was
far less powerful than the original episode, which in turn affected me
less than Jerome Bixby's original short story.

Forgive the no-longer-technically-r.a.c.-related topic, folks.  =)
--------
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fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       USS ALEXA NCC 1764-D     Urbana-Champaign
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"The artist deals with what cannot be said in words.  The artist whose 
 medium is fiction does this *in words*.  The novelist says in words 
 what cannot be said in words."  (Ursula K. Le Guin, 1976)
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From: cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: TOM DERFALCO=HITLER???
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:18:25 GMT
Organization: Senior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Yes.

Tom DeFalco is a real fascist dictator. I spoke with him on the phone
and he is a stubborn old man with no heart. AND he has little use for
anyone but a Marvel editor writing Marvel stories.

Don't read FF 355 or later, or Thor 383 or later. We don't want you to
turn to stone. However, in the latest FF letters page DeFalco comments
that the reason the FF and Thor are the way they are is that he's trying
to preserve the "tradition" of the 60s.

Gag, puke, vomit.

I'm boycotting all marvel except the Hulk and X-factor (by personal bias).

Oh, Moon Knight will NOT get Chuck Dixon back, at least not for a while.


DIE, DEFALCO!!!!!!!! DIE, DIE, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

________________
Tony L.

8^\)
________________
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 20:28:14 EDT
From: <SXS133@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
 <1992Apr11.162959.4573@wpi.WPI.EDU>

>cyclops....
>        his problem has to do with a head injury that he got when he was
>pushed
>  out of the airplane with havok when they were kids... it damaged that
>section
>  of his brain that can control the blasts...

Actually, the loss of control was linked to Mr.Sinister's tampering with
Scott.  Back in the earlier days of the blessed INFERNO, Scott "regained" parts
 of his childhood memory and realized that Sinister had operated on him.  This
was presumably for the use of control by Sinister (eg. You can't go out in
society without my help Scott, so just obey me.)

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From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Subject: Re: X-notes
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 22:49:24 GMT

>In article <92104.114205ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes...
>> 
>>  Just a few comments:
>
>>  5) Where did the X-men get such advanced techology...this is still the 20th
>>     century...
>> 
>
The X-Men get thier high-tech from the Shiar. It helps when the team founder
is the lover of the ruler of a galactic empire.

-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital, just
with an incredible number of bits.
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From: jcastle@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: INDY: Tarot (Was Xmen Tarot Cards)
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:33:15 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr7.043838.26479@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:
> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:

[Matt would like a tarot deck by Sienwicz...(spelling?)]

> I would LOVE to see a full new Tarot
> deck done by either Case or Bisley....

	Caliber Press printed The Book of
Tarot which was basically about 40-odd
artists (Sienwitz, Bisley and Bolland might
have been contributors) creating a
reinterpretations of one or two tarot
cards.
	Not tarot cards ... but the
next best thing.

Yours Sincerely,   (Correct me if I'm wrong)
	Julian Castle

DEATH TO TYPOS!
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