HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jwu@cs.ubc.ca (Joseph Wu)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Lorem Ipsum text samples...
Date: 11 Dec 1992 10:55:01 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: brutus.cs.ubc.ca

jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes:
>	I remember a couple months ago there was a thread here
>about sample texts for typography, and I was wondering if anyone
>had a version of "lorem ipsum" up for ftp somewhere? I checked
>the faq and couldn't find it...

Aldus includes a copy of it with PageMaker. If you can't get it
otherwise, e-mail me and I'll send you a copy.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joseph Wu    <jwu@cs.ubc.ca>   | Witty quote is now back to the
Master's Candidate             |   drawing board due to squeamish
University of British Columbia |   readers. Any suggestions?
From: 6nguyen_p@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: looking for Vietnamese font
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:31:04 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US




looking for a Vietnamese font compatible with IBM 316 SX.  This font must work 
under microsoft for windows or microsoft work or word star.  and can you please
tell me how to hook it up with my laserjet heweitt packard III?

Thanks,
Michael
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Looking for Optima?
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:50:51 GMT
Organization: Trilithon Software

In article <1992Dec15.223231.27087@melb.bull.oz.au>  writes:
    *  A friend of mine is looking for the Optima typeface for the Adobe Type  
Manager.
    *  Does anyone knnow whether it is available from an ftp site (shareware),  
or
    *  what company one should contact to get a hold of it?
Optima was licensed to Adobe by Linotype-Hell AG.  You should
be able to get it from any Linotype reseller.
Optima is also available from Adobe or any Adobe reseller.
It is Adobe font package number 6 I believe.

	........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,gnu.misc.discuss
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 20:43:22 MEZ
From: Markus Hoevekamp <HOVEKAM@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Kerning-information for Corel-fonts

Hi,

I'm urgently looking for kerning-information for several adobe type 1
fonts like those delivered together with Corel Draw. The Corel CD
contains pfb, pfm and afm-files, but they don't contain any kerning-
information.

I would like to use the fonts together with Ventura under Windows/ATM
for typesetting.


Hope, that anyone has an idea what to do.

Bye and thanks in advance


Markus Hovekamp
University of Munster, Germany
hovekam@obelix.uni-muenster.de
From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: I have heard wordperfect 5.2 includes atm 2.5, what improvements?
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:37:38 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Dec9.204447.20448@a.cs.okstate.edu> munn@a.cs.okstate.edu (MUNN THOMAS JOSEPH) writes:
>I have recently bought the upgrade to wp 5.2 which is said to include the
>atm 2.5.  What improvements does version 2.5 have ?  (I haven't received
>the wp upgrade yet)?

Adobe's announcement (which I refer to from memory, not having a copy
to hand) said that 2.5 is supposed to send soft fonts, rather than a
full-page bitmap to laser printers. This should speed up printing
substantially and reduce the size of files created by print-to-file.
There may have been some other improvements, but this is the one that
stuck with me from the announcement.  They said something about an
early 1993 release date.

---Jon
    


-- 

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
From: zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Chinese Outline Fonts or Japanese Kanji Outline Fonts?
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:45:44 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

I'd like to know if there is any Chinese outline fonts? Is there
any Japanese Kanji outline fonts? 

Any information is welcome!

Thanks

Yaoen Zhang
zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Tolkien Fonts
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:07:15 GMT
Organization: Trilithon Software

In article <92337.150402AUPXS@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AUPXS@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

    *  Does anyone know of the Tolkien font series?  There was a
    *  series of three fonts produced around '87 for the Mac and
    *  I have begun to look for them.  If anyone has them or knows
    *  where to get them either for the Mac or an IBM font program
    *  ie POSTSCRIPT please email me at aumts@asuacad.irne.asu.edu

I replied by E-mail but the reply bounced.
 
Poke around on
 
      ftp.dcs.ed.ac.uk (129.215.160.5)
                                                                               
I'm pretty sure there are Elvish fonts and Tolkien fonts at that site.
      
    ........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: wjs2t@Virginia.EDU ("Bill Szilasi")
Subject: IBM to Mac font conversion?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:35:05 GMT

Does anyone know if their is a PD/Shareware utility for the Mac
that allows you to convert a font from Type 1 for the IBM to
Type 1 for the Mac?  I think Fontmonger is going to, but I
haven't heard from the about my update yet.  Thanks in advance.



						Bill
					wjs2t@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Agfa fonts for LJ?
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:04:27 GMT


I have purchased a collection of scalable fonts with Type Director 2.0
(it was a while ago) for the LaserJet on a PC, and I need to modify a
few letters in a few fonts that I produced from the scalable outlines.
Unfortunately, it appears that Agfa does not use a straightforward
format, because the fonts appear to be scrambled when I try to load
them in an editor (I own QFONT and FONTEDIT for DOS).

Does anyone know whether this is indeed the case (some letters show up
OK, others look like blotches, not the same ones in different fonts)?
Is there a way to work on these fonts anyway? As I understand it, the
downloadable raster font is not under copyright, and this modification
is for my personal use for printing in languages not supported by the
original character sets.


Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
From: glenn@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Glenn A. Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Devanagari Key-Layout Needed
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:52:50 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec14.203238.20962@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> nedervol@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Eric Nedervold) writes:
>The Indian standards bureau's standards are available, though I don't
>know where.  I have seen them, though I don't think I currently have
>a copy of them.  You might write the Embassy to ask for an address of
>the appropriate governmental agency.

Bureau of Indian Standards
Manak Bhavan
9 Bahadur Shah Zafar Marg
New Delhi 110 002
India

Center for Development of Advanced Computing (CDAC)
Pune University Campus
Ganesh Khind
Pune 411 007
India
Fax:  91-212-337551

Glenn Adams
Cambridge, Mass.
From: litauer@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Christoph Litauer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Looking for truetype font bauhaus
Date: 9 Dec 1992 13:52:26 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Koblenz
Distribution: world
Reply-To: litauer@infko.uni-koblenz.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: bruch.uni-koblenz.de


  The subject says it all. Any ideas where I can find it ??

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: georgem@microsoft.com (George Moore)
Subject: Re: Classifying Fonts
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:05:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
>I have a question that should make for interesting
>discussion: given a font, how can I classify it such that I
>could find it in an index?  Is there an established system?

There is an objective font classification system which is
built into most TrueType fonts called PANOSE, invented by
Elseware Corporation (206-632-3300).  This 10-digit system
allows one to calculate absolute distances between any two
fonts, even between (for example) a Latin typeface and a
Kanji typeface.

You can call Elseware to get the documentation on how to
go about classifying your own fonts.  If you'd like to play
around with how it works (warning: plug ahead), purchase a 
copy of the Microsoft TrueType Font Pack 2 and execute the 
Microsoft Font Assistant.  It has a built-in PANOSE font 
mapper which lets you select one font and then sort your font 
list by similarily to that font.  Or you can pick a font,
choose "Font Info..." and it will tell you which other fonts 
on your system which are comparable to the choosen font.

Elseware licenses their PANOSE mapper, if you are interested
in playing with it in your own applications.  There is also
a brief discussion of the various catagories listed in the
TrueType specifications available on ftp.uu.net in the
/vendor/microsoft/TrueType-Info directory.

-George Moore, TrueType Guy
 (georgem@microsoft.com)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: 1628726ps485@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Illustrator fonts
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:35:25 GMT

Hi.  I'm thinking about purchasing Adobe Illustrator 4.0 for Windows
depending on the fonts included.  I would really appreciate a list of these.
According to the advertising, there are 40 of them.

If you prefer, contact me directly at:  1628726ps485@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca

Regards,
Fraser Goodmurphy.
From: duty@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Duty Programmer)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Help needed -- TechPhonetic font, Refont 1.4, Windows 3.1
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:47:16 +1100
Organization: Information Technology Services, University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


I've tried converting the Mac TechPhonetic using Refont 1.4, and installing the
resulting .pfb, .pfm files into Adobe Type Manager and the .ttf, .inf files into
TrueType under Windows 3.1.  However I have the same (or similar) problem another
person reported here recently (I'd write to them directly but I was too dumb/too
slow to save the article ...): the first time the font is to be displayed,
Windows says "invalid font format ..."; but if you try again straight away, you
get the top half of each character; and next time, you get all displayed on
screen correctly ("as if by magic").  In the process the font substitution table
relating all TT screen fonts to printer fonts (+ download TT font) disppears
completely, so you can't print TechPhonetic text.

I haven't had a chance to run Refont 1.4 on another font yet.
Does anyone know whether this is a problem with the TechPhonetic font, with
Refont 1.4, with Windows TrueType or Adobe Type Manager, or with me?  Is there a
solution?

(I have no information on Windows 3.1, and how TT and ATM work with each other.  I
am guessing that TrueType fonts can be displayed on screen and downloaded to the
printer, or that a given TT font can be associated by ATM with a given postcript
font.  [The DOS FAQ doesn't give much info on this at present] )

(BTW, the file 'techphon.zip' containing .pfb, .pfm and .tt files might be the
answer, except I'm not sure what to do with the file 'techphon.tt'.  [Ohh duhhh
-- I suppose I should run REFONT on it...?] )

Thanks in advance for any advice anyone can offer.

-- David McLean, University of Melbourne
   (a 1-day-a-week duty programmer)
Newsgroups: comp.sw.components
From: snorman@den.mmc.com ( Stephen P. Norman )
Subject: Hashing Functions?
Keywords: Hashing, Ada, Strings
Reply-To: snorman@den.mmc.com
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:06:55 GMT

I am looking for some software/algorithms to do the following:

1) Given a string (generated at run-time) hash the string into a
   32 bit integer

2) Collision handling for same

Ada is the most desirable, although C would do in a pinch.
References also appreciated. Direct replies are preferred

thanx

Steve Norman
Software Reuse Initiative
Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
PO Box 179
Denver CO 80201
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
Subject: PIN numbers longer than 4 digits (was: something about telephones)
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:23:56 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

European mahcines use only 4 digits. If your bank allows 6-digit
PIN's, your transaction might not be accepted at a 4-digit machine. 

"You puts your money in and you takes your chances."
--
System Administrator                  Internet: betsys@cs.umb.edu
MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               BITNET:ESCHWARTZ%UMBSKY.DNET@NS.UMB.EDU
100 Morrissey Blvd                    Staccato signals
Boston, MA 02125-3393                      of constant information....
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,comp.org.eff.talk
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Stupid Licenses (YUCK!)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:50:23 GMT

I don't know what the fuss is.  There are lots of software vendors and
computer dealers and even computer stores that sell things with a money
back guarantee these days.  It's been happening for years.

And no, they didn't take over the world by storm over the vendors that
disclaim all liability.

If you want to support this, buy only from vendors who offer the money back
guarantee.  But you won't -- you'll buy the software you think is best and
you won't care a lot about the guarantee.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Xref: sparky comp.security.misc:2212 alt.internet.services:1987
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:53:05 IST
From: Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,alt.internet.services
Subject: Security caveat used by network service providers

I am looking for examples of a 'security caveat' used by commercial
service providers (or regionals) that warn users that the "Internet
is not safe, and there is no guarantee that their data will not be
intercepted, or ..."  Can those of you who have such 'Internet security
warnings' send them to me?

Thanks,
Hank Nussbacher
hank@vm.tau.ac.il
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystroke monitoring
Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:22:17 GMT

ho@cs.arizona.edu (Hilarie Orman) writes:

>In article <1992Dec14.133030.804@ualr.edu>, lindstrom@acs.harding.edu
>writes: 
>|> As for the phone, it is also for business. ...  if
>|> someone is making personal long distance calls, that's taking money
>|> from our already small budget and I want to know.

>The analogy with computer use rights would be if concern for
>enforcement extended to monitoring employee phone calls and turning
>over any suspicious information to the police.  Certainly this has
>been done in some places, and I imagine sometimes this has raised
>civil rights issues that go beyond the ownership of the telephone.

<sigh>

I suggest that some of the folks in this discussion *read* the applicable
sections of ECPA. It's *quite* clear on this. If you stumble across
something during your regular duties, you can (and should) report it.

On the other hand, it is *illegal* to turn over info found be *deliberate*
snooping. Yes, that's right. If you are snooping and find evidence of
something illegal, *you* can be sued if you reveal it to anyone!

This still leaves room for abuse, but you have to *work* at it.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Xref: sparky comp.security.misc:2349 comp.org.eff.talk:7850
From: charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer)
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Stupid Licenses (YUCK!)
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:18:39 GMT
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota

In article <1992Dec19.023609.26000@news2.cis.umn.edu> I wrote:

  It is fair to say that no computer company puts quality first, ahead of
  featurality.  Until they do, quality will remain abysmal.

In article <bhayden.724865911@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) replies:

> And that is why they are wide open to lawsuits. Its a business decision.
> As long as you stand to make more money selling defective software, 
> than software that works properly, companies will continue to ship
> before they get the bugs out. When enough software companies have lost
> enough money through law suits, we will get software that works properly
> the first time. 
>
> Just take a software engineering course. We know how to test for bugs,
> how to do software QC. We just don't do it. Often the company that is
> shipping the premature software has a QC section. Almost as often
> that QC group is at some level preempted by marketing. But how does
> it look when I ask for that QC data when I sue you for defective
> software. This is what is called a "smoking gun" by attorneys.

Sounds to me like from a legal standpoint the best thing would be to replace
fire the QC people so they won't generate any "smoking guns".

Things won't change until someone markets quality computer software and
hardware and gives the customers a choice.  You can buy a Japanese car
and tell Detroit to stuff it.  Why can't you buy a computer like that?

BTW this isn't an anti-American comment.  I just bought an American car
(I'm giving Detroit one last chance).

-- 
Charles Geyer
School of Statistics
University of Minnesota
charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu
From: karyn@cheetah.llnl.gov (Karyn Pichnarczyk)
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
Subject: CERT's login banner
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:05:19 GMT

Jyrki writes:

Basically, the message is announcing "we have the power to watch
everything you do and we will use that power whenever we like and will
report any wrongdoings to the Big Brother", and CERT is suggesting
that everyone put that message as their login banner.

From Oleg's message:
>>option is to own his own machine.  If he is a guest on someone else's machine
>>or is on his employer's or institution's machine, he plays by their
>>rules or does not play.  Nothing difficult to understand about that.
>>
>
>Huh? If I work for company X, X automatically has full rights to read
>my mail or search my home? Or maybe only if it officially warns me
>about this on it's front entrance? :). 
>


What about this example:

Joe works for company X.  He is using their computers to calculate
payroll for a company Y that he owns and is in no way related to
Company X.  He knows he is "not supposed" to do this because something
like that is in the policy of the company.  Because of this, he does
his payroll after normal business hours.

The system admin of company X gets suspicious of some random cracking
activity on computer systems (unrelated to Joe).  Sysadmin decides
that since all cracking activity happens after normal business hours,
and since no users claim to use the computer after hours, keyboard
monitoring of all after hours users takes place and thus Joe's payroll
activity is discovered.

Questions for comp.security.misc:

1. Is this invasion of privacy?
2. What if Joe's business is a random legal business?
3. What if it's an illegal Drug Ring?
4. Do you think CERT's banner might make a difference in the legal
hassles?

Have at it.

Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,comp.org.eff.talk
From: eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Erik Oliver)
Subject: Re: Stupid Licenses (YUCK!)
Organization: Haverford College Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:53:28 GMT

Proving software correct is extremely difficult to do, and making sure
that there are no "bugs" is even harder.  For example, in the
IBM-Compatible world, it is very hards to anticipate all of the possible
setups that might have an incompatibility with your software.  If my new
product XYZ-Works doesn't work on a SuperDuper486DX/2 is that
necessarily reflective of a bug in my software or a glitch in some part
of the SuperDuper product?

Because of the variety of IBM-Compatible products out there testing for
every configuration is unrealistic, if not impossible.  Even in the Mac
world, there are problems that occur because of interactions between
INITs and CDEVs with applications.  Are these bugs?

I think that if the manufacturers make good faith efforts to keep their
product working and put out bug releases that is about as much as we can
expect.  Personally I think that the software produced by organizations
like the FSF is better than a lot of commerical stuff because they are
not afraid to keep updating their product and release slews of fixes as
necessary.

-Erik
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc
From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: Re: CERT and the Dept. of Justice on keystr
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:53:10 GMT

In article 29818@nntp.hut.fi, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>In article <Bz9DB1.LHq@avalon.nwc.navy.mil>, jd@parcival (John de la Garrigue) writes:
>>No, and that's clearly not what the notice is saying.  If you work for company X,
>>and use their equipment for whatever reason (notice many companies clearly state
>>*anything* done using their equipment/software/other resources is their
>>property, like it or no), the company has a right to make sure what you are doing
>>is legal and ethical.
>
>The notice didn't say anything about companies, was not targetted at
>companies and has nothing to do with companies.  It was for U.S.
>federal agencies.
>
>//Jyrki


Incorrect,  the CERT advisory states:

"The information that follows is based on the Justice Department's advice
to all federal agencies.  CERT strongly suggests adding a notice banner
such as the one included below to all systems.  Sites not covered by U.S.
law should consult their legal counsel."

---
Paul (Cliffy) Palmer

Newsgroups: comp.security.misc,comp.org.eff.talk