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From: wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Comments on "Performance Bars" ?
Summary: NOT equivalent to Snickers!
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:38:57 GMT


In article <72976@apple.Apple.COM>, ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
> The Performance Bar I looked at in the local outlet recently was attractive
> because the price was about what I pay for PowerBars (and Cliff Bars, which
> I much prefer) on sale.  But where PowerBars and their expensive immitators
> are using "natural" or high-tech ingredients, the Performance bar is little
> more than a repackaged candy bar.  The first ingredient, as I recall, is that
> old standby corn syrup.
> 
> You may or may not feel that PowerBars are worth their asking price.  (I
> don't.)  But it makes no sense to buy the cheaper Performance bar when you
> can get the same thing in a Snickers package for half the price.

What in the wid world of sports are you talking about, Eric?
First of all, the primary ingredient in those "high tech" Power Bars is also 
"that old standby corn syrup" (they actually say "Fructose syrup (from grapes,
corn, or pears".)

The performance bars may be over sweetened (I don't know as I haven't tried
them) but one can hardly compare them content-wise to Snickers bars.  
A Snickers has 13 grams of fat!!!

Details on the performance bar vs. powerbar & exceed bar:
                                                                       100%
           carbo   protein fat fiber  Potas.  sodium  chol. calories  B C E
Perf.      42g      10g     2g   3g    70mg    10mg    0      220     Y Y Y
Power      40g      10g     2g   3g    90mg    20mg    0      225     Y Y Y
Exceed     53g      12g     2g   3g   320mg   160mg    ?      280     ? ? ?
   

I don't have any stake in Performance bars or any other bar for that matter
and I do eat Power bars, but get your facts straight before slamming 
products on the net!

Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu
From: wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Allsop Suspension Stem Opinions wanted
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:09:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep28.220137.20418@ccu.umanitoba.ca> takeuch@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Travis L Takeuchi) writes:

>The product is adjustable from very sensitive to almost complete lock-out and
>did not adversely affect the way my bike handled.  The 3 inches of travel
>did a good job in soaking up the jolts both small and large.  I found the
>stem to work best at speed downhill and the weight of the stem was not
>noticable while climbing.  The stem locks-out when pulling up thus sprinting
>and climbing were not hindered. 

>Therefore, I highly recommend that you purchase this product.

I second this.  I just got mine a couple days ago, so I haven't had time
to really test the thing yet, but so far I LOVE it.  I got the 150mm
aluminum version, and I'm very impressed.  I especially like the fact
that climbing hard doesn't compress the stem.  I recommend that anyone
who is considering getting a shock fork take a look at this stem first.
You may find (as I think I have) that it gives you everything you wanted
from a fork, but you don't have to put up with (1) The enormous weight
gain, (2) the front wheel slop (i.e., the twisting of the wheel caused
by the fact that the fork blades move indipendently), (3) the compression
of the suspension while climbing hard, or (4) the extremely high cost.

I'll be putting this thing through it's paces for the next few weeks,
and I'll have more opinions (and probably some gripes) after I've put
more miles on it.  If there's interest, I'll write up a little review.

Chris Wiggins
wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Burley shows Allsop equipped tandem
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:00:08 GMT

Burley has just announced their new Allsop equipped Rock 'n' Roll.
The new bike has a powercurve rear frame (the top tube and seat tube
are merged into one - and the Allsop attaches to the frame without
additional clamping or support structures. This should eliminate any
lateral motion caused by the poor clamping systems that come with
*aftermarket* Allsops now, with the added feature that the frame will
be more rigid.

(We currently have a *regular* RnR with an Allsop, using third party
clamps, and we LOVE it!)

I talked with a Burley rep and got the following information. The bike
will be available in Nov/Dec. It will come in 20/18 size, only.  It
will have the same components as a regular RnR - Sugino cranks,
Suntour XCE, Sun C20 rims, DiaCompe brakes, with upgrade options that
include drop bars and 40-spoke wheels. It will have a similar geometry
to the current RnR. Virtual top tube length will be the same.  The
bike will retail between $1650-$1700.

The prototype is currently in transit, heading to the show in Philly.

(I do not work for either company)
-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             9 down, 3 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       BMB mixed tandem finisher!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: gds@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (glenn.d.strouse)
Subject: Re: Which is a better magazine?...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:55:21 GMT

In article <168738F7A.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.132211.4436@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
>gds@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (glenn.d.strouse) writes:
> 
>>    IMHO Bicycling Magazine is not worth the price. I's pages are at least
>>  ~50% advertising. And to think that they want appox. $17.00 for only 10 issues
>*Most* mass market magazines are 50% editorial and 50% advertising. That being
>said, I think I still agree that Bicycling is inferior to BG. Me, I read
>'em both, along with Velo Sport News.
>            --mike


     It may be true that most magazines are 50% advertising, but they don't
   all charge outragous prices. Ex. I subscribe to Audio Review, they have the 
   same percentage of advertising. The difference is that it is a 12 issue
   a year mag at less than half the cost of Bicycling. With all the advertising
   a magazine should cost a little less. Bicycling, with mountain biking plus,
   is $27.00 for 10 issues.

  glenn
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From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Best time to buy?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:33:38 GMT

I have noticed department stores (do knock what does the job) are offering
40% off bike stock. Specifically, The Bay in metro Vancouver Canada.
(For those not aware of the Bay - aka Hudson's Bay Co. - one of N.A. oldest
companies. I think it recently celebrated its 350 anniversary!)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 12:35:32 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Which is a better magazine?...
Distribution: usa

Neither, Velo News will put them both away!
From: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Best Jacket Materials
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:58:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.25875
Reply-To: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
!bob@astph (Bob Ford) wrote:
!
!> I would like to pick up a jacket/shell for winter riding that is both
!> wind proof and has good breathability. [...]  Are
!> there any other good imitations out there that both block the wind and
!> breathe?
!
!I don't know about imitation, but I find plain, cheap nylon just fine.
!It's windproof and breathes a bit BUT is NOT waterproof.  This doesn't
!Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz

On the road I've found nylon shells flap in the wind too much causing
increased resistance.  One thing I really like about my present jacket
is that the windproof part doesn't extend around the back much. Fully
half of the back is polypropelene type very breathable, without the
shell.  I would highly recommend this type. I can't remember my back
ever getting cold, but in other jackets, I sure have gotten hot.
Bill O
PS.  It's a Performace jacket that I got as a present.
From: Andrew_L_Chu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: T-Bone Stem Advice Sought ???
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:46:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Sep29.182549.25883@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>

I don't think the T-Bone stems are that strong. I have seen several of them
crack at the weld. Personally, I think the Salsa stems are a better choice
even though they cost more.

Andrew Chu.
Andrew_L_Chu@cup.portal.com
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: MB-0 & MB-1 : cracks in frame
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:01:22 GMT

In article <BvGryM.5LI@csn.org> limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim) writes:
>
>Now I still believe that the MB series bikes are some of the best production
>bikes going and would recommend them, so I'm not trying to say they're junk.
>Bridgestone "settled" with my friend not by replacing his frame, but rather
>sold him one for "factory" cost (around $125 or so.)  Again, it's a judgement
>call as to whether or not this is a true warranty commitment on behalf of
>the manufacturer.  
>
>So, the MB-1 has had (at least this ONE) failure.  It's clear that the frame
>tubes (Ritchey Logic) is quite thin, thus light.  It CAN break.  My take on
>the matter is you should know what you're buying and how you intend to use 
>it.   Bikes are NOT indestructable, even if you don't "intend" to break
>them.

Hey, this is very intersting and I'll see what I can find out about
Bridgestone's waranty policy. It is _not_ in their catalog even 
though they are charging money for it. :-)


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From: jlee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Chee-Yoon Lee)
Subject: Helmet for sale
Keywords: Helmet, sale
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: stanford
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:56:44 GMT

I have a Rhode Gear Airlight helmet which is a little less than 1 year old.
Excellent condition, and I still have all the pads (which are washable).
The helmet is Snell/ANSI approved, quite light and cool, and consists of
foam with a microshell.

Asking price: $25 or best offer

Contact:
Joe Lee
jlee@leland.stanford.edu
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From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Subject: Cleaning out garage!
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:03:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: ahill@boi.hp.com
Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

FOR SALE:
---------------------------

2 - Mavic MA40 Clincher Rims
never used
700C x 19mm
32 hole
Anodized

Free (buyer pays shipping)

--------------------------

Shimano Biopace Chainrings
never used; in original packaging
130mm bolt circle
1 - 42 T
1 - 52 T

Free (buyer pays shipping)

--------------------------

Vetta Air Trainer Professional
~7 yrs old (lightly used)
slightly damaged
$50 + shipping (20 lbs)

--
Andy Hill
ahill@boi.hp.com
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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Am. Classic Skewers for Trade
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:25:07 GMT

I've got some American Classic skewers that I'd like to trade for some
regular (but nice) steel skewers.  The AC skewers are the steel version,
fit 126-130mm rear hubs (100mm front), and are black in color.  If you've
got some nice steel skewers you'd like to trade, drop me a line.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with these (they've been used for less than 5
minutes), I just prefer the feel of conventional (steel) Q/Rs.



--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: fike@chezp.enet.dec.com (Mike Fike, Augusta, Maine)
Subject: Re: Allsop Suspension Stem Opinions wanted
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:15:34 GMT


> 
>I second this.  I just got mine a couple days ago, so I haven't had time
>to really test the thing yet, but so far I LOVE it.  I got the 150mm
>aluminum version, and I'm very impressed.  I especially like the fact
>that climbing hard doesn't compress the stem.  I recommend that anyone
>who is considering getting a shock fork take a look at this stem first.
>You may find (as I think I have) that it gives you everything you wanted
>from a fork, but you don't have to put up with (1) The enormous weight
>gain, (2) the front wheel slop (i.e., the twisting of the wheel caused
>by the fact that the fork blades move indipendently), (3) the compression
>of the suspension while climbing hard, or (4) the extremely high cost.
> 
>I'll be putting this thing through it's paces for the next few weeks,
>and I'll have more opinions (and probably some gripes) after I've put
>more miles on it.  If there's interest, I'll write up a little review.
> 
>Chris Wiggins
>wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu


	I'd be VERY interested in a review of this if you feel like writing it
up. I've located a source of the aluminum model for $190 and the steel for
$150. I'm leaning toward the aluminum version. Thanks for the input. 

Mike
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From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: ARGENTINA->ALASKA:SUITABLE MTB NEEDED!
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:15:00 GMT

mattf@cac.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman) writes:

>In article <SCHENG.92Sep29112219@bcarh886.bnr.ca>, scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng) writes:
....
>> the best bike for an interesting ride like this. Traditional touring
>> bikes are great for paved roads and any unpaved roads which are in
>> good shape but where they are inadequate is the "off-road" kind of
>> riding. 
...
>gave them the bikes). They said they were very happy with the bikes, and
>thought Mountain bikes would have been too slow and uncomfortable.
>I don't know if cross bikes even existed back then ('89).

I know people  who did some traveling in the Southern most part of South
America. They used cyclocross bikes and seemed happy with the choice. 

If I were to do that (and I'd love to), I would also choose a cyclocross
bikes and bring along cyclocross tires for the unpaved roads and smooth
slick tires for the paved sections. In my opinion, a mountain bike is a bad
choice, mainly because it is too inadequate for the extensive road riding
involved.

Javier.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Helmet & Seatpost for Sale
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:35:58 GMT

I've got a couple of extra items that I don't need; here they are:

BELL IMAGE II HELMET: Brand-new, in-the-box (it was a warranty
replacement).  White, size SM/MED.  $45/incl. shipping (OBO)

DELTA RITCHEY-COPY SEATPOST: This is identical to Ritchey's
"low-end" post (Delta/Kalloy makes it for them).  27.2mm
size, silver.  Never used, but there are some very minor marks
on the first 2cm of the post.  $20/incl. shipping (OBO)
--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: akoticha@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Apoorva Koticha)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: HELP! Advice needed on hybrids, $350 range
Keywords: Also, good bike shops in NYC/surrounding NJ area
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:29:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


Hi,

My wife and I are looking for bikes -- Hybrids in the $350-400 range.
a)  Any recommendations?
b)  What about the following bikes?
    Diamond Back Override (Shimano 300 LX, chromoly)           $369
    Raleigh Dash (new, Al triangle, 300 LX)                    $379
    Schwinn CrissCross (Suntour X-press, chromoly)             $349

    Raleigh Technium (*used*, good cond, Al triangle, 300 LX)    $289

d)  Any other bikes/makes I should look at?
e)  What components (which series in Shimano/Suntour) are acceptable
    in this price range? 
f)  Is there a file somewhere that gives me this info?  I've been
    through the FAQ, and I could not find specific bike names/makes.

FINALLY
a)  any shops that you recommend in NYC/surrounding NJ area?

Thanxx in advance

akoticha@rnd.stern.nyu.edu
Apoorva Koticha
From: pan@panda.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan)
Subject: Component group ratings
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:02:19

I just started to look at road bikes and found out that everyone talks
"components."

Now, I've seen Shimano 300EX, 400EX, and 600.  Would be handy to have
component groups listed in a table so that when I compare two bikes
from different manufacturers, I can at least know their relative value
by comparing components.  Has this appeared in any book/magazine
article?  I didn't see it in the FAQ.

--Doug
From: perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: bars, was  Comments on "Performance Bars" ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:04:07 GMT
	<truesdel-290992204524@aux-1.ics.uci.edu> <72976@apple.Apple.COM>
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY 12345

In article <72976@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:

=   You may or may not feel that PowerBars are worth their asking price.  (I
=   don't.)  But it makes no sense to buy the cheaper Performance bar when you
=   can get the same thing in a Snickers package for half the price.
=

Anyone have an opinion (rhetorical question) on Fibars? From wrapper
reading it looks like about half a power bar at less than half the
price (in terms of calories/protien/carb/fat/fiber/weight).  They run
about $3 for a box of 6, so they are in the Snickers ballpark, but a
lot lower fat.

One big difference is that I can eat one without needing half a water
bottle just to swallow it.

-don perley

--
perley@trub.crd.ge.com
From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: For Sale.  56cm Classic Maserati.
Keywords: Campagnolo, Columbus, 22lbs., Northeast U.S.
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:58:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Oct1.215830.24092
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Apologies to readers far away.  And for readers farther away,
I tried to limit the post to NA.

For Sale.  PA, NJ, NY state, CT, DE, MD.

MASERATI Criterium racer.  56cm Columbus Special frame. 22lbs.

Clincher wheels (Specialized sealed hubs) AND tubular
wheels (Campagnolo hubs).  Campagnolo Nuovo Record derailleurs;
hubs; crank (42, 53); seatpost; dropouts.  Vintage Dura Ace
sidepulls.  TTT Bars.  Unicanitor saddle.  Specialized sealed
race pedals.  Silca frame-fit pump with Campagnolo steel head.

This classic is 18 years old, but has very low mileage.
The bearings have just been replaced and repacked.  So
it runs better than new.  I pedalled it 105 miles in the
Lehigh Wheelman Gap Gallup and almost changed my decision
to sell.  $550.  Gary Madine @ (215) 398-2883.  Or email.
"r" works.  Or use  gem@aloft.att.com  
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From: unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Nicholas Palombo)
Subject: Specialized Epic Comp (Ultegra STI 8 speed) 56cm
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:18:04 GMT

Posting for a friend:

1992 model Specialized Epic Comp in 56cm (center to center)
Comes with full Shimano Ultegra STI 8 speed
Specialized Down in Front handlebars
Campagnolo seatpost with Turbo Saddle *
Look Carbo Pro pedals *
Campagnolo Omega 19 rims with Wheelsmith spokes *
Specialized Turbo C tires *

Less than 500 miles. * = Brand new parts.

Asking $950 or best offer.

Mail taken by me.

Nick Palombo
unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

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From: takeuch@next02.cc.umanitoba.ca. (Travis L Takeuchi)
Subject: Advice on Kona's, Cannondales, Tempus, and Mongoose MTB's
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:16:13 GMT

I am considering the purchase of an MTB in the very near future and I was  
wondering if anyone can give some advice on the MTB's listed above. Really  
what I am intersted in is in the quality of the frame an how it 'rides'.  
Components are secondary right now. How do the '92 mongoose models stack up  
against the cannondale and the tempus?
Are the Kona frames any good?
		Thanks in Advance,
		Dominic
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Re: Which is a better magazine?...
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.115521.29225@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gds@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (glenn.d.strouse) writes:
>   With all the advertising
>   a magazine should cost a little less. Bicycling, with mountain biking plus,
>   is $27.00 for 10 issues.
>
>  glenn

Actually it's $29.97 right now, which isn't all that much money, but
subscriptions and club/organization memberships can add up very
quickly.  I only subscribe to one bicycle magazine, and that's Mountain
Bike Action.  True, they probably have more than 50% ads (which is
not entirely a bad thing) and the style and contents aren't for every
one, but at $25 for 24 issues it's a steal.

Most libraries around here carry only one bicycling magazine, if any,
but it's almost always Bicycling.  I finally found one which carries the
Mountain Bike supplement, so that's where I'll be getting my Bicycling
dose for a while.

...Joakim
--
Joakim Karlsson            | aviator@athena.mit.edu
Flying Fanatic in Training | Air: PP-ASEL  CAP: Freedom 110 Mobile  FCC: N1JHW
                 "Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
                And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: hormone@elaine36.Stanford.EDU (Richard Kahn)
Subject: road bike for sale 25" $100
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:57:01


25" Nishiki RX-7 men's road bike for sale.  Great mechanical condition.
Size appropriate for 5'11" and up.  Cost $400 when new (4 years ago)
new tires, wheels in true.  Want to trade to mtn bike.  
Optional accessories also available (blackburn rack, halogen generator)

reply to hormone@leland.stanford.edu 
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