From: irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan)
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
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Distribution: the universe
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:32:13 CDT
Keywords: religious zealotry

victor self appointed religious sensor:
you say in your response

>P.S. I have trouble buying into any belief system that treats
>women as badly as most religions do ( and the Abrahamic religions
>are no exception). Any of you women want to wear veils, hmmm?

Is there any society other than yours and the ones who shares
the same mentality with yours who treat their women worse than 
anybody else.  You are using and exploiting your women.
Women in Islam have their dignity, respect and high moral values.
What does your women have as quality; most of them prostitute.
It is a pity we hear on the TV some of them even though they were 
not able to protect themselves while they are children they are victims
of incest even though they might want to keep themselves clean.
You people make your own women dirty from the very begining
and leave them with no dignity to the streets.

I had seen a posting in a man's toilet by one of the person like
you in this society who give the following value to the women
in this society.  It went like this:

Q:  What is the difference between a woman and a toilet?
A:  One is not leaving you after you use it.

SEE the value that your people is giving to the women.

Do not speak for the women as if you are treating them nicely.



          ISLAM IS THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR ALL PROBLEMS

     Freedom, freedom, freedom!  What freedom you are talking about!  
You are enslaving women, using and prostituting them everywhere and wherefore 
upsetting the harmony and peace of the individuals as well as of the whole 
society by provocating the animal-like desires of individuals, letting 
people to have access to alcohol and drugs and to become intoxicant and 
loose their conscious and do whatever they can, legalizing homosexuality, 
fornication and adultery by law and being the source of  all sorts of immorality, 
dishonesty and destruction of family life (foundation of a strongly established 
society) and spread of all sorts of diseases.  By the way, may be you should 
reserve a day every year to celebrate AIDS to commemorate the fruits of your 
"western freedoms"  or another day for ALCOHOLISM.  This is not freedom.  
If one should name it, CORRUPTION fits best.

     You have in your country many social diseases and problems like racism,
alcoholism, drug addiction, homosexuality, gambling, surplus women and etc.. 
How are you going to solve these problems?  With the "western freedoms" you are
talking about all the time?  I think, if the people does not come to realize 
this CORRUPTION and turn away from it soon, you would sink and fall apart as 
the communism sank in USSR and other eastern block countries.  May be, you might 
not be thinking to solve these problems at all or even do not think about the 
future of the well being of your next generation as you want to enjoy your 
"western freedoms" now.  Like the people who have AIDS and who enjoyed their 
"western freedoms" in their past did not think their next generation and they 
are now giving birth to the babies with AIDS.  You might say; 'who cares the 
next generation, I wan'na enjoy my western freedoms now and abort the next
generation.'  

     What the western freedom does to the individuals is to let them enjoy now and
bear the consequences later.  Even the enjoyment at the beginning turns into a
hell for them.  When you see a spoiled tomato in a box of tomatoes, do you
leave it in the box to enjoy its freedom of spoiling the other tomatoes as
well, or you take it out and protect at least the other tomatoes.  To me
"western freedom" is no different than leaving the spoiled tomato inside the
box and let them spoil the other tomatoes and then look for the cure for all
the tomatoes instead of eliminating the first spoiled one.

     Islam establishes the true freedom in the society for all the individuals as
well as for the whole society with the instructions given in the Qur'an. 
Therefore, giving birth to a strongly founded society with good moral values. 
It puts a policeman to the heart of every individuals, which might not even
require so many 'COPS' or 'TOP COPS' to keep the order in the society.  When
you attack Islam and try to portray Islam as bad by giving examples
from the current middle-eastern countries, you know that most of those
countries are not ruled by Islam and they are dictatorships who suppress any
Islamic Revival as much as they can and even they have so much corrupt
dictators as rulers who massacre their own people from their own culture just
for the sake of protecting their position.