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From: njzy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (T. Joseph Lazio, Cornell University)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST VI - Question?
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:41:42 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1993Jan22.163845.19995@njitgw.njit.edu>,
bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes: 
> In article <1jon37INNegl@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> drew@bnr.co.uk (Scooby Doo) writes:
>>In article <1jfqe0INNhi2@manuel.anu.edu.au> David.Berriman@anu.edu.au (Cyalodin) writes:
>>>I've read the FAQ list concerning problems and mistakes in ST VI,
>>>but here's a question that I haven't seen answered -
>>>
>>>   [Why not use the translator to communicate with Klingons 
>>>   when Enterprise is trying to rescue Kirk and McCoy in TUC?]
>>>
>>>Any thoughts !!
>>>
>>	according to the novelisation. The computer memory had been wiped
>>of all knowledge of the klingon dialect by the conspirators onboard
>>the ship. it wasn't that the klingons would detect the use of the translator,
>>but that the translator had no info!
> 
> That's nice, but according to the movie, it was because the Klingons
> would detect the translator.  Sorry, but I'll have to believe the movie
> over the novelization on this.

 I've been mulling over another possibility:  Might there be different
 dialects?  Suppose the translator was programmed to accept "high"
 Klingonese, i.e. that spoken by chancellors, generals, etc.  My 
 recollection is that the Klingon outpost was sort of dingy and 
 out-of-the-way.  The dialect spoken by the outpost staff could (would?)
 have had different phrases or pronounciations.  Hence, the 
 translator would have used "high" Klingonese when a more "vulgar"
 form would have been appropriate, at least until it could have 
 figured out the differences.  Since the Enterprise was trying 
 not to attract attention...well, attention would have been attracted.

> As someone else said, they didn't use the translator because the scene
> was done for comedy relief.  (Unless, when the translator is activated,
> it automatically informs the other ship of its use.  But that's
> probably wrong.)

 Oh, come on, comedy relief?  This shows no imagination...  :):)
 
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From: myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin)
Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:46:12 GMT

>Somebody mentioned that English was supposed to be the standard language
>in the 24th century (on Earth at least).
>Several facts actually work against that:
>- Picard is a fluent French native and he speaks that language with his
>family and French friends (at least that's what it's supposed to be
>though the writers don't know enough French to actually do that, I
>guess)
>- Chekov is obviously a Russian native and Sulu a Japanese.
>Since there
>is only a generation of time difference I doubt that English has taken
>over that fast. Why shouldn't these languages not exist anymore a
>generation later?


  For a language to be considered the "standard" it has only be the main
language of government, industry, and commerce.  Others could still thrive 
within rural communities.  But that doesn't make the standard any less
prevelant.  For instance, English is the standard language of international
aviation.  Latin is still taught in universities.  Over 15% of American 
citizens speak Spanish fluently.  There are many ethnic communities in the
U.S. that use other languages primarily. A language doesn't have to die
to be replaced as the standard.


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From: vince.maiocco@satalink.com (Vince Maiocco)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: 96 Re: Odo -- from hu
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: vince.maiocco@satalink.com (Vince Maiocco)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

L.>Hollow things can be very strong.  Many parts of our modern fighters 
L.>and missiles are hollow (sort of a honeycomb affair) and they are 
L.>very strong.

"We are strong.  You will make us fast because you are smart.  We want 
to be strong and fast.  Request denied.  Make us fast."  
Does this sound familiar<G>?
LLAP


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From: frankenp@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Paul Frankenstein  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: hate
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:35:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.classical
Organization: x=(x^2)+C

In article <1993Jan25.165019.24720@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
* In article <1993Jan22.232223.15948@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
* >
* >	Yeah, but you guys have Andrew Lloyd Webber, who is
* >undoubtedly the greatest composer of the 20th century (no joke).
* >
* >						-Quinn
* Ha!
* -- 
* Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated

I agree with Jonathan.....
--
frankenp@gas.uug.arizona.edu
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	-- Mike Cottingham
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Same Trek Message on Every Group
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:00:36 GMT

dlileiki@AFIT.AF.MIL writes:

>I've noticed that quite a few of you out there post the same files on every (
>or almost every) bloody ras.xxx group!  Why bother having separate groups if 
>this is what happens?

>There's nothing worse than having to scan through the same messages 
>endlessly!

Mmmm, me remember subjects, me no reread same thing. me smart.
you be smart too. you no reread if you read before. you remember subjects too.
you be smart then.

		CtB
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Heck, the slugs probably think diffently than I...         |  @Calvin.edu
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From: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Subject: shatner's tek war article
Reply-To: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:18:36 EST

Cross posted to all Star Trek, TNG and DSN conferences on 93/01/23

The following article appeared in the Globe and Mail Newspaper
on Friday January 22, 1993

                SHATNER'S NOVELS COMING TO TV
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

TORONTO -- Toronto's Atlantis Films has linked up with
Universal Television in Los Angeles to produce a science-fiction
TV series based on four best-selling novels by actor William Shatner.

Tek War will begin as a two hour pilot, to be shot in
Toronto early this summer. Atlantis vice-president Peter Sussman
said yesterday that no broadcasters have been lined up yet,
but that the two companies are "confident we can place it fairly
easily." He said the projected series will go into first-run syndication
if a U.S. network or cable channel doesn't pick it up.

Shatner, star of the Star Trek TV and movie series,
will direct the pilot and "occasionally act in the project,"
according to a press release. He will also serve as co-executive
producer with Sussman.

Set in 2043, Tek War tells the story of a former cop who's
been unfairly jailed for peddling and illegal "electronic mind
stimulant technology" known as Tek. The TV series would
follow the ex-cop from the time of his prison release, as he
tracks down those who framed him.

Sussman said that the "very, very expensive" production
will require some special effects "that have never been
attempted on television."

Universal is responsible for such shows as Murder
She Wrote and Northern Exposure. Atlantis's credits include
the Diviners and Ray Bradbury Theatre. The companies
collaborated on Men, a short-lived 1989 drama series for ABC and CTV

The Globe and Mail [Canada's National Newspaper]
Toronto, Canada, Friday, January 22, 1993 STAFF 

               PAUL S. MANSON <=-CRS TORONTO CANADA-=>
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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sarek's Wives
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:58:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1k033aINN1qe
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
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In article <C1C7A6.349@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.093707.27975@Virginia.EDU>
>qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>> 	Along these lines, do we KNOW whether it was Spock's
>> wedding that Picard attended?  If so, it seems pretty certain
>> that she's dead by now, because Spock would be pretty heartless
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> to leave her to go live on Romulus.
>
>Ah, but you're forgetting that Spock, as a Vulcan, has no emotions! 
>(OK, I know he's half human, but he always tries to repress that part
>of himself.)
>
>--Ted Schuerzinger

Besides even if Spock had a wife that does not necessarily mean that
he wouldn't have gone to Romulus anyway as he might have decided it
was the *logical* thing to do.  :-)

I also think that the Unification episode with Sarek made it quite
clear (at least to me) that Vulcans do indeed have emotions.  They
just expend a great deal of effort to control them, since they
were/are so afraid of them.  I realize that Sarek was *ill* in this
episode but his illness made him incapable of repressing his emotions,
it didn't create them.  I always knew that deep down in that cool,
Vulcan exterior there were raging emotions.  :-)

Marg


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From: albrecht@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (ALBRECHT CC - COMP. SCIENCE)
Subject: Re: Deep Space 9 crew gif fil
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:25:01 GMT

In article <383.1079.uupcb@satalink.com> vince.maiocco@satalink.com (Vince Maiocco) writes:
>I think I'mn right about this, Mike:  You can'tsuccessfully upload a graphic
>to the Net.  Now, if I'm mistaken, please correct me, but I'm pretty sure
>you can't... well, you *can*, but noone will be able to use it<G>.
>LLAP
>

Yes you can. Ever heard of uuencoding/uudecoding? How do you think the *.binaries.*
groups spread their wares?


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From: labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Lab Master)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Quote source
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:14:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

>>I'm ALWAYS serious. [Ten points if you can name the source of this 
>>quote].

"Real Genius"  Where's my ten points?  :-)

OBTREK:  How functional is Data?  "Fully functional."
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Subject: Planet Pluto
From: <JJSGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 23:21:35 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

At this time Pluto is closer to the Sun than Neptune.  This has to do
with Pluto's orbit.  It's orbit is a bit irregular.  For most of Pluto's
orbit Pluto is the farest planet from the Sun but at certain points in
it's orbit it crosses the orbit of Neptune and is closer to the Sun than
Neptune.  Remember, that far out from the Sun it takes Pluto approximately
250 years for it to go once around the Sun.  So, for a good number of
years it will be closer to the Sun than Neptune.  Probably read this in
Science Times section of the Tuesday edition of the New York Times.

     By the way, the rumor that DeForrest Kelley is dead is just that,
a rumor.  Don't spread around something that is not true.

                                               Joe the "Trekker"
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From: domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kane)
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - DS9 - #405: Babel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:42:18 GMT

Surely you're not talking about the renowned Babel fist...
When I stick a fist in MY ear, it just hurts (in direct proportion
to the velocity of said fist's insertion)
...
I would furthermore postulate that a Babel fist would be exceptionally
difficult to locate at this time as most of the ancient Babylonians
(if not all) have gone the way of all flesh and not even fossils remain.

And as for sending Kira around...
maybe it's her fist that is required to fix the task at hand.

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From: steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Steven Glinberg)
Subject: Re: Last season for TNG???
Keywords: Ship In A Bottle 
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:04:20 GMT

In article <1341@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>In article <skinner.727536092@xray1.cshl.org>, skinner@cshl.org (John Skinner) writes:
>|> I've heard rumors that this is the last season for STTNG.
>|> Is this true? Where did you here this? Why do they want
>|> to take it off? Thanks in advance!
>
>I hope it is not true.  I think it still has a couple of good seasons
>left.  I have not been impressed this season but last season had:
>"Darmok", "I Borg" and "The Inner Light".  These episodes alone
>justified the entire season for me.  Assuming this season is not
>finished, they still have time to give us some real gems that will
>redeem this season.
>
>-- 
>David Johnson
>XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
>david@xlnt.com

I agree with you David!  Especially after seing Ship In A bottle!  What
an outstanding episode.  This one is close to number one!  Right up there
with Yesterday's Enterprise.  This is the type of show I've been missing, 
an episode with a hell of an ending; unforseable.  I'm sure this and any
subsequent seasons will prove to be very enjoyable.

steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu
From: cc6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chris D Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Ques: ROMULAN Treaty and Neutral Zone
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:12:58 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   My thanks to Geoff for his response.  I've seen the book with the
treaty specifying 750 parsecs (the treaty signatores are Karzan and
Thorpe, I think).  However, this distance is way, way, way too big.
    A parsec is 19.2 trillion miles.  To travel a distance of 750
parsecs at warp 1, which is the speed of light (186000 miles per
second), would require 2453.3 years.  (At Enterprise-D's top, safe
speed, it would still take more than a year to traverse the zone-this
zone would be pretty effective at preventing wars, but a big damper on
Romulan-related plots).

Chris Castro
From: nevs@cs.tu-berlin.de (Sven Goldt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek VII !
Date: 24 Jan 1993 18:41:43 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.cs.tu-berlin.de
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Well,i am astonished that here is no ST 7 topic !
How much of the last part of the ST movie serie is finished yet ?


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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - DS9 - #405: Babel
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:26:38 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


In article <1993Jan15.215209.29193@choate.edu> dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl) writes:
>In article <4760@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>>
>>Babel
>>
>>Episode #405
>                  [lots of stuff deleted]
>>
>>				CAST
>>
>>       Commander Benjamin Sisko                Avery Brooks
>>	Aphasia Victim				Lee Brooks
>>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^
>>	Lieutenant Jadzia Dax			Terry Farrell
>>	Galis Blin				Geraldine Farrell
>
>Anybody notice any similarities in the names? Just wondering... <G>

I think it would be better if the part were played by Foster Brooks.

Just a thought.

Craig
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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ST
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:10:25
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
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In-reply-to: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu's message of 27 Jan 1993 18:12:04 GMT

In article <1k6j9kINN8m@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
-> In <C1ItHr.LsE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
-> 
-> > In <gd.02lb@evil.Demon.Co.Uk> gd@evil.demon.co.uk (Geoff Dooley) writes:
-> > 
-> > >In article <1993Jan24.181455.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> skuff@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
-> > >> RE: Homosexuality in Star Trek
-> > 
-> > >Surley they would have cured homsexuality by then?
-> > 
-> > *gulp*  I hope he's not serious.
-> 
->   He might.  I try to steer clear of these discussions, but I thought I should
-> report what I know.  Recently there been *indications* that homosexual behavior
-> is linked to over or underabundance of certain hormones/chemicals/whatever.  I
-> stress that this is *very* preliminary stuff.
-> 
->   Since this would support the possibility that sexual orientation is somehow
-> genetically determined, then it would not be unreasonable to assume that in
-> the time of Trek this genetic tendency could be removed via some hightech 
-> medical fiddling.
-> 
->   To say that the morality of this is more than a little questionable is 
-> a mammoth understatement.
-> 
-> 
-> semper fi,
-> 
-> Jammer Jim Miller 
-> Texas A&M University '89 and '91

	This would actually make an interesting show, because it is an
issue that will come up in our future.  Research is showing that
doctors will be able to determine much about a baby while it's still
in the womb, including, some say, whether the child will have
homosexual tendencies.  It may get to a point where a couple finds the
child will have homosexual tendencies or some other undesirable trait,
so the mother pops some pills and the baby is gone.
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From: gee7759@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Glenn Elliott)
Subject: Re: AFTER FINALLY SEEING
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:39:22 GMT

Christopher R. Dunlea (crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.EDU) wrote:
: In article <1j85c8INNjec@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
: >victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman)  writes:

: >>No more ridiculous than insisting that every Star Fleet rank conform to
: >>the current organization of the US Navy.

: >Then where did 'major' come from?  Only thing I can figure is that Sisko
: >came from a Marine military background, a branch of the Navy?  It would
: >make sense, if this is true, since he was on a warship that battled the
: >Borg...

: Maybe. The only other thing is to realize that maybe there are other services
: in the Federation. Remember, in the US every rank corresponds to the same
: level, whether it is in the Navy, Army, AF or Marines. Commander Sisko 
: would still have authority over any "major". 

And he does.  Major Kira is the Bajoran Liason on DS9, but she answers to
Commander Sisko.  Sisko holds ultimate authority over all actions on the base
because he is the Base Commander (in addition to holding the rank of Commander).

Glenn
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From: rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp)
Subject: Re: ST VI
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:45:41 GMT

In article <kbrill.009o@GACSTL.UUCP> kbrill@GACSTL.UUCP (Kenneth Brill) writes:
>Can someone explain to me the line in ST vI (I think)  'The undiscovered 
>Country' where right after the meeting Kirk and Spock are talking and Kirk 
>say 'You should have trusted me....'.  What did he mean 'trusted'?
>

Trusted Kirk enough to tell him (Kirk) beforehand of the Klingon negotiations.

Riston

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Young Kirk
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:46:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.165916.3442@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>Hello folks
>
>I was watching the current series of "The Wonder Years" (1992 series) and it
>struck me how much Fred Savage looks like a young Capt. Kirk. If they ever
>make the "Academy Days" film I suggest they get Fred to play James T.

Keep watching those Wonder Years reruns. Eventually they'll show the
one where Kevin fastasizes himself as Capt. Kirk, Paul as Spock, and
Winnie as a strange alien woman...


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