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From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM article.
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:02:07 GMT

NOTHING is Photo CD compatible! To be so ACCORDING TO KODAK, requires
multisession capabilities. Though I feel I could design a multisession
protocol using WORM technologies and standard commands alone, I 
Think real Kodak approved PhotoCD capability requires MUTLISESSION
ability. I think the Sony 8002 mechanism is nothing but a patially
compliant old-Sony style non-SCSI-2 CD-ROM.

True it supports XA transfer mode (2340 byte un-ecc'd xfers) and
supporting MODE 2 XA block transfers (of XA addressable tracks,
NOT including CDI which I KNOW the 8002 rejects) results in
the ability to be SINGLE SESSION compliant for PhotoCD.

I know another magazine actually printed MULTISESSION next
to the Apple 1250 (Sony 8002) but It is probably not true.

The 8002 is a lame device. It does not adhere to any SCSI-2 
commands as documented for Table of Contents, Pause, Play12,
Read Subcode, etc etc. Instead it uses Sony proprietary
commands.

The Toshiba 3301 on the other hand is 98% SCSI-2 compliant and 
supports XA as well meaning it can do SINGLE session PhotoCD.

BWilliams

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: mittag@trout.megatek.uucp (Larry Mittag)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM article.
Reply-To: megatek!mittag@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:09:12 GMT

In article <00960685.CD11A0E0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>	NEC CDR-73
>>	    CDR-37
>>
>>The NEC CDR-83 is probably OK, too, but he said there were
>>problems with the NEC CDR-74 and CDR-84 drives. He did not
>>elaborate as to what the problems were. I found this very
>>disappointing, since I had planned on getting a CDR-84. I may
>>have to rethink.
>>
>>Larry Mittag
>
>Just a clarification here, the CDR-83 was the same as the CDR-73 less
>the outside case and powersuply...the drive itself was the same.  NOw
>as far as the CDR-74 and CDR-84 go, I find it hard to belive(though not
>completely) that NEC would make their "improved" drives, less compatable
>with the standard.  If any one can add more to this, I would greatly like
>to hear about it.
>
>Thanks
>JOE

I just got off the phone from NEC tech support (1-800-388-8888). They
claim they have tried inhouse a setup with a CDR-84, a T128 interface,
and version 2.36 of their driver, and know of no problems. I gave
them the number for Kodak tech support, so maybe they will get together
and find out if there is a problem and solve it if so.

I also asked him about multisession support. He said they are very
curious to see how Kodak is going to handle modifications to the
File Allocation Tables (FATs) when subsequent sessions are added.
He said it might be possible that support could be added by a firmware
upgrade when it is nailed down. I will probably go ahead and get
one myself and take the risk.

Larry Mittag
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: BURNSDJ@SNYALFVA.CC.ALFREDTECH.EDU (Dale Burns)
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Dale Burns <BURNSDJ@SNYALFVA.CC.ALFREDTECH.EDU>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:00:00 GMT

I just received a Sony CDU-541 SCSI CD Rom drive with out the Sony interface.
I have very high hopes to install it on my Seagate ST-01 SCSI Host Controller
where my hard drive lives.  I have the CD Rom drive hooked up and it does
report at boot up.  What I really "think?" I need is the Sony driver to make
this whole thing work.  The documentation with the drive refers to
"the driver "SONY_SCI.SYS" which of course did not come with my drive.  Can
some kind net-worlder please send me a copy or post it here?  I would be
very grateful.  Any advice to help guide me from making stupid errors would
be very appreciated.  I will post my results here for others to learn from.

Thanks in advance,
Dale Burns  burnsdj@snyalfva.cc.alfredtech.edu
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CDROM interface:SCSI or IDE?
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:53:34 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I asked the salespeople here in Singapore. I was told that the
external ones are usually SCSI and the internal ones are IDE.
	If it were SCSI, which SCSI. Does it use the NCR chip? Which
chip? If it were SCSI, it will mean that it needs a special driver,
software either in config.sys or ROM.

If it were IDE, it may still be SCSI, but the controller uses WD harddisk
register programming, so that we can use normal BIOS.

If this were true, the external and internal CDROMs are not interchangeable.

It also means that the CDROM pins are not standard. They all vary from one
manufacturer to another. You cannot just connect Soundblaster card to any
CDROM from SONY, HITACHI etc. You must always buy the interface card coming
with the CDROM machine, as well as the driver software.

My guesses:
The CDROMs are actually SCSI but with differents pins and SCSI chips and
logic circuitry to make them incompatible to each other and to controller
cards, and driver software.

My wishes:
CDROMs use IDE standard. We may not have the advantages of SCSI such as 
unlimited number of devices but we have the most important advantages:

i)no interface headaches,
ii)faster transfer rate.

Any comment is most appreciated.


--
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Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: muoto@ALUDRA.USC.EDU ('Olivetti')
Subject: I need to unsubscribe
Reply-To: 'Olivetti' <muoto@ALUDRA.USC.EDU>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:37:25 GMT

I am unable to unsubscribe from CDROM-L because the machine was located on
(muoto@nunki.usc.edu) was decommissioned and now I am on a new machine
(muoto@aludra.usc.edu).  When I try to send an unsubscribe command to the
list server it does not recognize me. What to I do?

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: ARNOLD@MICRODES.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject: Re: CD-ROM article.
Reply-To: ARNOLD@MICRODES.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:32:56 GMT

To: CDROM-L POSTINGS

>A minor point.  CD-ROMs do not have FATs.  They have a table of contents
(TOC) >which does something similar, and a separate file system.  The
normal CD-ROM >drive looks for the table of contents at the beginning of
the disc, and refuses to try >to read anything beyond the "end" of the data
described in the TOC.  There is >usually one entry in the TOC for the file
system, plus one for each musical track. >The multisession drive will need
to look immediately after the end of the data for >another TOC.
>
>-Vance Gloster
>gloster@inference.com

The issues of CD-WO and how multsessions are recorded are addressed in the
European Computer Manufacture Association (ECMA)  new standard ECMA 168,
which became a standard in June of this year.  The title of the standard is
"Volume and File Structure of Read-Only and Write-Once Compact Disc Media
for Information Interchange".  This standard expands upon the ISO-9660
CD-ROM standard.

- Arnold Jones
Micro Design International, Inc.
arnold@microdes.mhs.compuserve.com
From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Floptical drives of any interest?
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:19:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BuIHst.CHo@iat.holonet.net> bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams) writes:

>The INSITE is dead because they took too many years to fix the laser
>overheating problem and because high tech goodies like that should never
>have been kept from the Mac on purpose (especially because 11 million Macs
>have SCSI ports that could have used it)

This makes no sense.  The Insite floptical was everywhere at an
Amiga show this weekend, and the Amiga uses more or less the same
SCSI as the Macs do (Amiga systems tend to be DMA, but that's the
only difference I know of).  Do Macs do something screwy?

Rick

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From: ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROM driver for Sony CDU-541 <-> Future Domain TMC-881 ?
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:07:41 GMT
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany

Subject says it all, where can I get such a driver ?

Thanks for any info, Ernst.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: Apple CDROM drive
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:27:42 GMT

In article <0096046D.64DC3D60@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>fine).  There is not, however, an NT driver available for the Trantor.
>>You can load NT under DOS from the CD drive and then boot from the
>>hard drive.  This works fine, we tried it.
>>
>Yeah, but none of the apps work until you screw with the ini files big time.
>It is a major pain in the rear end...you may have gotten it installed, but I 
>bet the only things you could run were the DOS app and some of the control
>panels files
>
>JOE

Wait a minute, how much is big time, and how would that affect the 
running of NT apps?  Specifically, has anyone done this successfully,
and if so, how long did it take you?

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu
From: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Jukebox for 1000 CDs
Date: 12 Sep 92 07:59:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) 

JC>Subject: Re: Jukebox for 1000 CDs mini
JC>
JC>can you refer me where to get a brochure on this unit?

To: John and the other people who need 1000 disks on line:

One company to contact is: Kubik Technologies, Ltd. in Richmond, B.C.
(604) 273-0400.

They make two different units. Both hold 240 disks. CDR240S has one 
reader, and costs $8000. CDR240M has four readers, and costs $20000. 
Disk change is quoted at 7 seconds.  Units come in either desktop or 
rack mount.

Most of this technology comes from the Audio Jukebox arena. That tends to
hold the costs down, and helps in the reliability area. They use positive-
pressure filtered air to keep the environment dust-free, and incorporate
fault detection and self-correction. 

They say they work with DOS, Netware, Unix, and Macs, and that you can
choose which drives to use in the reader portion of the device.

Definately worth checking out. I'm still working on it myself, so I can't
tell you more than the above. If anyone knows more, please post.

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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: M/O 3.5" drive company info request
From: nwchritton@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:10:45 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Anyone have any company names for the M/O 3.5" "floptical" drives?

I'm looking for names and phone numbers of companies that produce the 3.5"
drives.

Or if you have bitnet addresses, they would be just as helpful.

Thanks

Neil
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Pioneer minichanger
From: rale1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Ross Douglas        Alexander      )
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:26:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

I'm looking at buying a home stereo system and I was wondering if it
is possible to integrate the Pioneer minichanger into a component system.

It would be nice to only have to pay for one CD player which can be
used both my computer (a Mac) and with the stereo system.

Please POST ** DO NOT MAIL ** any replies.
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.windows.misc
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: 1992 MS-BookShelf CD-ROM and Win 3.1 Problem
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:26:46 GMT

mcp@netcom.com (Craig Presnell) writes:

>When I upgraded my PC to MPC with the Creative Labs
>Multimedia Upgrade Kit, I received the MS-BookShelf 
>(1992 edition) CD-ROM. It worked great with Multimedia
>Windows v1.0 and Win 3.0, but when I tried to install it
>on Win 3.1, I had serious problems. Everytime I try to
>install I get the following error:

>Fatal Error: error writing setup file d:\windows\system\setup.inf

>In the CD's documentation, it claims to be compatible with Win 3.0
>and greater. Is there anything that I am doing wrong? Is there
>any 'quick hacks' I could try to get it to work? Anyone else
>had this experience?

Are you sure that you've got the 1992 version of the disk and not
the 1991 copy?  The symptom you cite is a known problem for the
1991 edition which I've seen documented somewhere (and which I reported
during the Windows 3.1 beta program).

(Another thought: is this the DOS or the Windows version of Bookshelf?
My experience with the 1991 and 1992 disks is limited to the Windows
edition so if you have the DOS copy my comments may be irrelevent.)

If I recall properly the failure occurs after the local files have been
installed and the setup code is doing housekeeping.  You can probably
use the system as it's left after the abort; just manually create the
necessary Windows program item icons.

Call tech support; they can send you the instructions for manually
installing the product.  

(I didn't use the manual installation procedure.  I cheated by first
installing it on Windows 3.0 and just copying the icons to the 
Windows 3.1 system.)

When I got the 1992 edition I installed it on Windows 3.1 without any
trouble.

Joe Morris
From: lothar@cyrcle.uucp (Bob Trembley)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Reading UPC (barcode number) from Audio CDs
Summary: How do you read the UPC from Audio CDs
Keywords: UPC BARCODE AUDIO CD CD_ROM WINDOWS NT MSCDEX
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:49:45 GMT
Reply-To: lothar@angus.mi.org
Distribution: alt.cd-rom, comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Organization: Cyrcle Systems

I would appreciate it if I could get some example code on how to read
the UPC code from an Audio CD using MSCDEX under Windows / DOS.

I can't seem to be able to find any MCI command that will do it, and
the MSCDEX documentation is rather cryptic...

Also, how does one read this info under NT since there is no MSCDEX?


--==>>BobT>
From: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Apple CDROM drive
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 02:37:19 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Distribution: alt
Reply-To: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

>fine).  There is not, however, an NT driver available for the Trantor.
>You can load NT under DOS from the CD drive and then boot from the
>hard drive.  This works fine, we tried it.
>
Yeah, but none of the apps work until you screw with the ini files big time.
It is a major pain in the rear end...you may have gotten it installed, but I 
bet the only things you could run were the DOS app and some of the control
panels files

JOE

Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gloster@INFERENCE.COM ("Vance M. Gloster")
Subject: CD-ROM article.
Reply-To: "Vance M. Gloster" <gloster@INFERENCE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:54:37 GMT

  I also asked him about multisession support. He said they are very
  curious to see how Kodak is going to handle modifications to the
  File Allocation Tables (FATs) when subsequent sessions are added.

A minor point.  CD-ROMs do not have FATs.  They have a table of
contents (TOC) which does something similar, and a separate file
system.  The normal CD-ROM drive looks for the table of contents at
the beginning of the disc, and refuses to try to read anything beyond
the "end" of the data described in the TOC.  There is usually one
entry in the TOC for the file system, plus one for each musical track.
The multisession drive will need to look immediately after the end of
the data for another TOC.

-Vance Gloster
 gloster@inference.com
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:3133 comp.sys.mac.hardware:17064
From: rick@ut-emx.uucp (Rick Watson)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MacShopper cd-rom drive for $299 in MacWarehouse
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:45:23 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

Does anyone know anything about the MacShopper cd-rom drive
that MacWarehouse is carrying for $299? What mechanism does it
it use, and what is the access time?

Rick Watson 
The University of Texas Computation Center, Networking Services, 512/471-3241
   internet: r.watson@utexas.edu             bitnet: watson@utadnx
   uucp:     ...!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!rick   span:   utspan::utadnx::watson
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM article.
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:15:29 GMT

Mike Berger wites something a few posts back about XA data transfer modes
(2340 byte mode-2 transfers without ECC interpretation) and PhotoCD as if
they are related. In fact he claims the relationship is something that in
some way is different from something that I (BWilliams) may have said earlier.

Unfortunately I am unable to comprehend the specific meaning of his
remarks, specifically "The XA specification covers single-session photo CD
roms". I do not see how a logical data block transfer mode such as "2340
byte mode-2 transfers without ECC interpretation" holds dominion OVER the
PhotoCD single or multisession formats when it is instead EMPLOYED BY the
PhotoCD technologies and the XA SPECIFICATION DOES NOT "COVER" PHOTOCD.

Although I may not possess any PhotoCD material yet (not my fault, but
Kodaks) I am certain I am right about my earlier remarks.

BWilliams.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 6 Sep 1992 13:06:26 EDT
From: <IO20585@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Exporting Steet Atlas USA's maps in vector format?

Is the Street Atlas USA maps in vector format, or bitmap?
If vector, is it possible to export the files into another format
like DXF?
Thanks in advance.
From: hepler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ed Hepler - LSI Design)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROM Error detection and correction
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:19:44 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

Does anyone know the generator polynomial, g(x), used to encode the P and Q
error detection and correction codewords for CD-ROM?  The YELLOW book 
specifies P(X), as x**8 + x**4 + x**3 + x**2 + 1, but this only defines
the primitive polynomial for GF(8).  I am looking for the polynomial used
to actually generate the codewords (and therefore used for decoding).

Thanks,

Ed Hepler
Commodore
hepler@cbmvax.cbm.com
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:3113 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:24227
From: lawson@netsun.mdc.com (Jim Lawson)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Loading MSCDEX and Mouse drivers high ?
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:18:42 GMT
Reply-To: Lawson%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com
Organization: MDSSC-SSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I discovered and am using the /e option for the mscdex which helped me free
up a little memory. I've tried putting devicehigh=mouse.sys right after
device=himem.sys
device=emm386.exe
dos=high,umb

And it still didn't load high. Is there a command line switch I should be using?

Thanks,
 

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From: u7911050@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Saturn Paul)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: PD of CD-ROm
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:09:05 GMT
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hello, all.

   Anybody knows if there're  New PD collections in CD-ROM 
   besides SIMTEL-20 and Garbo Collection ?     

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From: rdm@cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Prime Time Freeware 1-2 Bulletin, 920907
Keywords: CD-ROM freeware UNIX source
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:46:44 GMT
Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Organization: Canta Forda Computer Lab, Pacifica, CA


	*****   Prime Time Freeware 1-2 Bulletin, 920907   *****

The second issue of PTF has now been shipping for four weeks.  Sales are
going like crazy (the first printing is practically sold out), but some
annoying problems have surfaced:

	a2z/bin/p.get
	archive/9660_u
	a2z/docs/booklet.ps
	disc readability
	file errors

a2z/bin/p.get:

  The p.get (package retrieval) script does not work properly on systems
  which use version numbers (;1) and/or UPPER_CASE letters in file names.
  A new version is available.

a2z/docs/booklet.ps:

  The booklet PostScript on the discs is for Issue 1-1, and was left on
  by accident.  The correct PostScript is available.

archive/9660_u:

  The 9660_u (ISO-9660) utilities miss files in the top-level directory
  and in some large directories.  A new version is available.

disc readability:

  The PTF 1-2 discs exercise a flaw in certain (e.g., Everex, Mitsumi,
  NEC) drives.  DMI has said it will solve this in the second printing,
  so the problem should not recur.  If you have disc(s) that you cannot
  mount/read/etc., please contact us so that we can replace them:

    Prime Time Freeware		 	Tel: +1 408-738-4832
    415-112 N. Mary Ave., Suite 50  	Fax: +1 408-738-2050
    Sunnyvale, CA  94086  USA	 	ptf@cfcl.com

file errors:

  Some bits got munged between the tar tape and the one-off for the 1-2b
  disc.  (We naively assumed we only had to make up a clean tar tape; now
  we know better...)  We have fixed this in the second printing, but there
  are still around 1000 copies out there with bogus files.  So:

    1)	We have made up some adb patches for most of the bogons.
    2)  We will be glad to swap you new discs for old, as above.

  Here are the 1-2b adb patches (for more detail, see below):

    0.all					(OK on 1-2a)
    a2z/lists/hpl.txt				(OK on 1-2a)
    gnu/cygnus/solaris/1_0_bin.atz		0t1546554?w7e0a
    gnu/cygnus/vintage/911206.at		(too many ...)
    usenet/comp/sources/games/volume10.at	0t2864390?wa3d9
						0t2864458?w368
    window/i_views/3_0_1.atz			0t2705154?wb33


	*****	Obtaining PTF bug fixes, information, etc.   *****

  Walnut Creek CD-ROM has graciously provided a PTF directory in their FTP
  archive (cdrom.com:/pub/ptf).  The directory contains annotated adb hacks,
  bug fixes, text, booklet PostScript, the Hierarchical Package List for PTF
  1-2, etc.  If you do not have FTP access, or if the directory contents do
  not meet your needs, please email to:

    ptf@cfcl.com	inquiries
    ptf-bugs@cfcl.com	bug reports
    ptf-help@cfcl.com	requests for assistance, updates, etc.
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