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From: shef@cuervo.rtp.dg.com (Tom Sheffield)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:02:47 GMT
Organization: Data General, Corporate Systems Support 
Keywords: Hangover

In article <1992Jul20.161330.5144@maths.tcd.ie>, bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
|> morning after a long days blasting?
|> 
|> I believe these are the symptoms that are usually associated with dehydration,
|> hence the similarity to a hangover. I try to bring liquids to the beach with me
|> but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to 
|> return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this 
|> problem other than increased self-discipline?
|> 

The only cure I konw of is for the wind to blow just as hard the next day.
I seldom experience those symptoms if the wind is blowing and I don't have
to work.

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP)
Subject: Re: Shipping a Brick! (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:43:16 GMT

From article <nlov990@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by alain@paris.asd.sgi.com (Alain Dumesny):
> 
> Interresting, especially when you consider that all of the mail order
> places I called wanted to change me $79 or so for S&H for the Ecstacy
> board (8'4'' around 17Lbs) or similar sizes boards. It seems it would
> really cost around $10 given your figures...Hummm...
>
Yes, only if you want to cut the board in half.  

I don't think the board will fit the lenght + grith <= 130 inches limit
for UPS shipping (grith = lenght around fatest part), so it would have to
go by truck.  But I did ask a friend who works in a shop that sells boards
about shipping by truck and he said it cost about $50 to ship a board
(haven't called any trucking companies). 

Brad
From: hudackoe@conebeam.crd.ge.com (E.A. Hudacko)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sail Survey Results
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: hudackoe@conebeam.crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Corporate Research and Development

In article <1992Jul21.204314.19325@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi
(Juri Munkki) writes:
|>Here are the results of the recent sail size survey that I made here. Since I
|>only got 24 replies, I'm including all the sizes in this posting.
|>
|>		Big	Small	Normal
|>		5	3.1	3.5
|>		5	3.8	4.5
|>		5.5	3.2	4.5
|>		5.9	3.3	4.7
|>		6	3.5	5
|>		6.4	3.2	5
|>		6.2	3.2	5.1
|>		8	3.9	5.1
|>		5.9	3.3	5.2
|>		6	4	5.2
|>		6.5	3.6	5.3
|>		6.5	4	5.5
|>		6.5	3.6	5.5
|>		6.6	4.5	5.5
|>		7.5	4.1	5.5
|>		6.7	3.9	5.6
|>		5.7	4.6	5.7
|>		7.5	4.4	5.7
|>		8	4.1	5.7
|>		7.5	4.5	5.8
|>		7	4	6.3
|>		6.4	4.6	6.4
|>		8.2	4	6.5
|>		7	3.7	7
|>			
|>Averages:	6.56	3.84	5.41
|>Maximums:	8.2	4.6	7
|>Minimums:	5	3.1	3.5
|>Standard dev.:	0.89	0.48	0.73


I appreciate the effort taken to compile these figures, but the numbers
are rather meaningless without the additional information of where and in
what conditions your respondents sail.  Additionally, it has become in-
creasingly difficult to compare sails strictly on area alone.  Newer sails
with several camber-inducers have better draft stability than older sails,
thus enabling one to use much larger sails than just a few years ago in
the same wind conditions.

                                       

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"Now we've finally seen George Bush's	| Ted Hudacko
thousand points of light."---Rep.	| Computer Engineer/Rocket Scientist
Barbara Boxer, during a recent trip	| GE Corporate Research & Development
to riot-torn South Central LA. 		| hudackoe@conebeam.crd.ge.com
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>On Sunday I was parked next to the owner of Sausilito sailboards and
>overheard him telling somebody that there are 70 Mistral Explosions in
>the U.S. right now and that he has five of them.
----------
I saw one yesterday at Coyote in front of a Mistral Van.  Took a look
and sure wished they had these out for when I was learning to sail a
shortboard.

Length 9'5"
Volume 130 l
Tail:  BIG, I mean wide, lightweights can probably plane this thing
  on a knats fart.
Weight:  Didn't see it listed and I couldn't pick it up with only
  one good leg to stand on.

It looked like it would be easier to learn to sail than a Shredder
for heavyweights and it looked like a faster shape for flat water.

Kirk out
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:49:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Partial Retraction (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

A friend of mine just ordered a set of footstraps from Sailboard Warehouse.
He said "Only if you have black in stock right now."  He received green
straps.  He's sending them back.  If you use a credit card, you will get
credit if you call or write to the credit card company.  They always side
with the consumer.
From: SM10@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Jim Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Sky sport -windsurfing on 22/7/92
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:57:21 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

Did any euro-netter see Sky on Wednesday night? There was a course race
around some tropical islands, won by Eric Thieme. Any ideas where it
was? I was in a pub & there were only pictures, no words.

I was surprised by the light wind they were using their course-slalom
boards in. There really was very little wind - not a white fleck on the
sea. Many of the sailors were unable to carve gybe, and were doing flare
gybes instead, as they came off the plane half way round. Everyone
looked as if they had big (>6.5m) sails up, but I couldn't tell what
length the boards were. Any ideas anyone?

If the Mistral Explosion genre of boards go like this I can see I'm
going to have to start saving my beer money soon......

Jim
***********************************************************************
JIM ANDREWS, (SM10@UK.AC.LIVERPOOL) (TEL 0624-832027)
PORT ERIN MARINE LAB., PORT ERIN, ISLE OF MAN, BRITISH ISLES.
From: wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Just Say No to Flat Landings
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:52:05 GMT


This weekend I was sailing at the Hatchery and decided to take one of the best
ramps of the day even though it was really to far upwind.  I had good speed
so the board got lots of height, but the angle was not right, and it stalled. 
Rather than landing it real flat, I leaned back and pushed real hard with my
feet so that I would land on my back beside the board.

I was a little late in pushing with my back foot and the board hit the water
before it was completely out from under me.  There was a big splash and lots
of force in my legs.  In fact I hit so hard that the fin box broke loose along
one side.  

I was feeling real bad about breaking the fin box, so I decided to fix the
board and stop kicking myself.  When I entered Windance to purchase a new
fin box, one of the owners Lorraine Carlstrom was standing by the door with
her right foot elevated.  It was bandaged from her toes to above her knee.
She had landed a jump flat and broken a bone in her foot.  Her comment was:
"It is just a small bone that broke."

It is probably easier to fix my board than wait for a bone to heal but in 
both cases it will cost some sailing time.  

I would like to see a discussion on how other people salvage a bad jump
without breaking any gear or your body.

Another way to say this is "How do you just say no to flat landings?"
From: ferster@nwu.edu (David Ferster)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:10:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.windsurfing
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <4310439@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk
Lindstrom) wrote:
> 
>Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and headaches the
>morning after a long days blasting?
> >
>I believe these are the symptoms that are usually associated with dehydration,
>hence the similarity to a hangover.

Certainly there is a physical component to this including sore muscles and
all that. But to my thinking there is a very strong neurological component.
In Parkinson's disease, for example, there is an inability to initiate
voluntary movements, due to a loss of a neurotransmitter called dopamine
(the patients in the movie Awakenings had an extrmeme form of this
disease). My own experience of day-after blues feels kind of like a
Parkinsonian lack of will. Nothing seems to be interesting enough to do. So
I've often thought that a hard day of sailing must deplete all my dopamine
or maybe endorphins to the point that I am slightly depressed.

But if the wind picks up the second day, I can sail just as hard as before.
So it's not that my body is that depleted, it just takes a really strong
stimulus (like good wind or a few other things I can think of) to get me
going.

So forget about the drinks in the middle of a sailing day. Just get some
uppers for the day after.  

David Ferster
Northwestern University
ferster@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: No Olympic Windsurfing Coverage?
From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:47:21 GMT
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

In article <18413@durer.cme.nist.gov>, jthan@rrdstrad.nist.gov (Jonathan M. Richardson) writes:
>I believe that there will be _no_ olympic windsurfing coverage at all on
>any of the channels, including the olympic triplecast (which costs ~$145
>including tax, I passed on it...).
>
>Is this true all over the world?
>
>Is there no justice! I heard (from a olympian) that the competition was
>incredible in the '88 Olympics, and would have been very entertaining
>for the general public. Did anybody see it?!
>
>Geeeeze...
>
>-Jthan
We got snatches of the '88 racing, but then we rely on sailing for a lot
of our medals and our guy won the gold in '88 (&bronze in '84) so we'd 
better get some coverage this time! Perhaps we (NZ) could post results
if there's interest?
Bruce (not Kendall unfortunately)
Bruce Spedding
IDW DSIR       Ph +64 +4 569-0788
Box 31310      Fx +64 +4 569-0132
Lower Hutt     SRGXNBS@GFV.DSIR.GOVT.NZ
New Zealand    ========================
From: pmb@geosys.co.uk (Pete Bochel)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Keywords: Hangover
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:28:11 GMT
Reply-To: pmb@geosys.co.uk
Organization: Oilfield Systems Ltd.

In article <1992Jul21.190835.17973@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi
(Juri Munkki) writes:
> >Does anyone else out there suffer from lethargy, dizzieness, and
headaches the
> >morning after a long days blasting?


One factor that may affect this is the tightness of your wetsuit. 
I am much more tired the next day after using my old wetsuit which has
become very tight over my arms and chest since I started windsurfing.

My new (winter) suit is fairly loose on my arms and chest and I find I can
sail longer and not feel so drained the following day.


I also find it helps to drink something like orange juice rather the
soft drinks,etc.


-----
Peter Bochel
pmb@geosys.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: New Board Advice.....phase two.
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:53:01 GMT

jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:


>	Anyone who wants to sell a 92 BIC Adagio or Setrend 9'0" real cheap
>	please let me know.

Call Jim or Janine Sandstedt (The Board Cellar), who sell BIC out of their
basement in Omaha NE. At least one other netter has bought from them (besides
me, for whom they are  the local dealer), when they offered the best deal he
could get on a North Sail (beat the mail-order places). 

Phone them at (402) 330-4923.

PS - I'm NOT affiliated, just a happy customer.

chad price
price@helios.unl.edu
(402) 489-3084 - home
(402) 559-7936 - work


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chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@sailor.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Cold Weather Wet/Steamer Suit & Booties ??
Reply-To: ngs@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 12:14:05 GMT

I replaced my old Oneill steamer with a new 3mm/4mm Oniell Solo
model which I got for 200 bucks (on sale from one of the catalog
stores).  The body is very flexible even though the skin appears to
be tougher than the earlier models.  No dings in the suit after a
full season of sailing (about 20 times). The only problem is chafing 
around the neck, so I like to wear a thin turtleneck pullover under
my steamer.  Get a full hood if you really want to be warm.  It makes
a huge difference to keep your head warm.  I sailed in air and water
temps in the upper thirty deg. F several times last winter. I was 
reasonably comfortable, except in that snow squall.  I haven't
found a good solution for keeping my hands warm yet. I use 4mm boots
with wool socks when the water is below 45F to keep my toes happy.

Ned
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Chris Bigenwald)
Subject: Another windsurfing survey....
Reply-To: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:00:36 GMT

I know someone just finished a survey, but I need a "bivariate data sample"
for my statistics class.  Anyone can help by e-mailing to me (don't post here)
the following information:
                             - Number of years windsurfing
                             - Number of sails owned

Make sure to indicate which number is years and which is sails.  Don't forget
to count any beat up sails you have lying in the basement or in the trunk of
your car - they count, too.  I'll post the results in about a week (as if
anyone really cares....)
----------------------------------------------
Chris J. Bigenwald
Rochester Institute of Technology
Computer Science graduate student & windsurfer
cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
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From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Waterstarts, the saga continues...
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:51:04 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <connolly.711297916@vincent1.iastate.edu> connolly@iastate.edu (Patrick H Connolly) writes:
>Looking for technique/tips for learning to waterstart properly.  I
>can uphaul in just about anything, but there's just no glory in it.
>I'd appreciate any info, tips.  I've given it various attempts, with
>little or no success.  What I'm looking for is : how you orient the

Beg, borrow, or steal a copy of Shortboard Sailing Technique from Gorge
Productions and watch the section on waterstarting about ten times till you can
absolutely visualize it. Then go to a place with plenty of wind and shallow
water.

It worked for me. I'd been screwing around for two years trying to waterstart
before trying the above. WEithin two weeks I was waterstarting with confidence
and went out and bought a short board and started sailing on the ocean.

Jim Munro



Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ktc@jhuapl.edu (Kim T Constantikes)
Subject: Buemi Clinic @OC Md., WBC T/M tour
Keywords: Clinic
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 13:23:06 GMT

I'm trying to set up up clinic by Dave Buemi (Top 3, 91 IMCO Natls; 1rst, 92  
east coast champs production; Mistral east coast rep; etc, etc) for  
(tenatively) 15 August at the 47th st. site in Ocean City, Md. Intermediate and  
advanced sailors, topics tbd by wind and interest. Boat (on the water coaching)  
and video, etc. Dave puts on the best clinic I've ever been to...

If any Md, Va, DC, Pa, Nj sailors are interested, please Email me within the  
next few days. I need to lock this in by the end of the week.

Also, reminder of the Wash. Boardsailing Clubs' Tudor/Mistral event at Dewey  
Beach Aug 8-9. Mistral truck will be there w/ demos on new stuff. Ian Jones  
will set up Saturdays' course JUST FOR THE SHORTBOARDERS with NO UPWIND SLOG  
(wind permitting), and entry fee is minimal ($25, I think)

Kim Constantikes (ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu)
If you THINK you're fast, then try racing and see what the truth is...
From: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: shopping in Or
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:11:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: verdix.4576
Reply-To: cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret)
Distribution: na
Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR

In article <3767@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.163438.23650@unixg.ubc.ca> craig@excalibur.civil.ubc.ca writes:
>>Any suggestions for decent places to pick up
>>cheap gear in the Columbia-Hood River area?
>
>I'd say Second Wind in Hood River, but then what do I know.
>

Second Wind is pretty good, lotsa used equipment, decent prices. Windance
has a good used-board section, but 'cuz consignment cost mo' money there
the prices are higher. If you're in Portland you should check out Gorge
Performance on Macadam .. overall prices are cheaper than most places
in Hood River.(disclaimer: I know the owner of Gorge Performance
and sail w/him alot .. but I do think the prices are better than at 
all of the places in Hood River) 

	Around here the average used equipment prices are :

8' - 8'6" gorge custom (shuler, cascade, windance etc.)  $400-$450
exceptionally used - $250
new - $695(gorge animal) - $850(Dill/w footstraps)

9'+ epoxy slalom(Seatrend, Fanatic, Hypertech etc)   $600-$800
exceptionally used - $200- $400
new - $1195 - unlimited($2k?? i dunno, too pricey for me to look at)

What are the prices in your neck of the woods?

========================================

In regards to average sail size. Most of the guys I sail with have to
replace their 4.0 and 4.5 sails the most. I tend to be on my 5.0 alot
this year, but it's cuz the Wind God is mad at me. Tried my first forward
sunday, didn't make it, tho I held on over the handlebars; it was a rush.


Chris Perret
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bill@turing.toronto.edu (Bill Monhemius)
Subject: Jibing Transition Tips?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:51:08 GMT

Do any of you boardheads have any tips or pointers about the transition part
of the jibe - ie. where you flip the sail and change your feet?

My problem, I believe, is that I wait too long to flip the sail and end up 
stalling the board somewhat.  What I've read is that if you go into the
gybe at the 3 o'clock position you should flip the sail at the 7 o'clock
position.  Anyone have comments about this?

-Bill

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From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Gorge trip
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:47:39 GMT
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.

Just got back from 3 weeks in Oregon (mainly the Gorge though)! Got in
15 days of sailing 4.2 - 5.3 conditions, I weigh 175 - 180 (to give you
an idea of wind speed) - never got nuked though :(.
The wind was a lot flakier this year than 2 years ago when I was there.
A *LOT* of holes floating up the river, what a slog-fest!  Overall it was
a good trip but those jumps that were powered up on take-off and no power
on the landing pretty much sucked.  I got most of my tricks back (360, duck
jibe, pirouette, monkey jibe, and spinning tach).  Got 1/2 a forward loop
(boy did *that* hurt!) and managed to mangle a couple of helicopter attempts.
Oh well, maybe next year.  Got to sail out at Rufus and the Wall this year
though - LOADS-O-FUN, great swells!

I sailed once, on the coast, at the jetty in Florence. Doggies, is that some
cold water!  Sailing was so-so. 2-3 foot breakers breaking within 20 yards
from shore (watch that bottom!), 5.3 weather (up and down).  Got better air
time off the swells further out.

Now it's back to the grind, and a little R&R (rest & recuperation).

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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing,misc.forsale
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Re: '91 Bic Adagio Windsurfing Board $550 OBO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:13:52 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:

>I'm selling my '91 Bic Adagio.  I'm selling
>hull, footstraps, and Bic-issue fin for $550 or best offer.  The board
>is in very good condition, as I only seem to get out about once every 10
>days, and I would guess that the board has been sailed less than 30
>times total. 

>The Adagio is a fast board, and it cuts through chop very well.  The
>dimensions are about 8'10" and around 105 liters of flotation.  This is
>a great everyday board for sailing on the San Francisco Bay.
>Recommended sail size is 4.5-6.5, but I have sailed it (well, survived
>on it) in conditions ranging from 3.5-4.0. 

I'm lowering the asking price on this 1991 Bic Adagio to $500 or best
offer.

Thanks,
Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: karl@ncrspks.SparksNV.NCR.COM (Karl Held)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Test
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:20:39 GMT
Reply-To: karl@ncrspks.SparksNV.NCR.COM (Karl Held)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation, FESC 778 Sparks

Testing. July 23, 1992 07:21
From: chatzi@beauty.asd.sgi.com (Chatzigianis Tony)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: San Luis Forebay
Keywords: Wind conditions
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:23:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


	I plan to go to San Luis Forebay this weekend. It usually
takes about 2 hours to get there, and it would be nice to know in
advance  what are the probabilities of good wind down there, before
commiting to a relatively long trip.
I just (1 pm) called 408-976-GALE and got 5 mph, avg 3 mph 
with Barometer falling.
Is there a formula that I can use from the general weather pattern in 
the area to predict the wind there ?
I would hate to leave Coyote  point (5min away from my house) and find
no wind in San Luis F. 
BTW, this weekend there is don't forget the Garlic festival at Gilroy.

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An eye for an eye		  Tony Chatzi
will make the world go blind      ASD Video x3418
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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 11:50:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: New Board Advice (Design tradeoffs...)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD