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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:51:39 CST
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What Makes It This or That

On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:05:08 PST Mike said:
>Leonard asks the impossible:
>
>Blues:  an attitude in the music to emulate or produce a feeling
>        or mood of sadness and sympathy for the poor sod who sings it.
>        Roots trace back to African chanting and Americanized
>        version of it by the Afro-American culture.

Pride & Joy is it blues, Sweet Little Angel nothing sad going on in this
song and many others.........Regarding music 'The Blues" has nothing to do
with sadness, however feeling , mood, and emotions play a big part. I don't
know the answer, but it's not sadness.....LW.

>        dynamics.  It is "Heavy" because it is bluesy stuff, man.

Then why not call it 'Heavy Blues'................L.W.
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Subject: Pink Floyd Box Set...what's in it again?

I missed the post about what exactly was in the PF box set 'cos my system went
bye-bye that day...anyone want to fill me in?

Thanks in advance.

-- Chainsaw
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>In a previous article, RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET (Hosko) says:
>
>>example, it says 'Digitally mastered by Fred Bloggs' (or whoever) which
>                                         ^^^^ ^^^^^^
>  May I ask where you got this name from?  This is the name of Allan
>Holdsworth's music publishing company.
>
> Jeff ("n.n.")

  This is a different Fred Bloggs, this ones's related to John Smith,
and lives next door to Jack and Jill, twins.

Hosko
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:34:00 CDT
From:         MIKE <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Order

Date sent:  5-NOV-1992 11:18:29
>Was _Technique_ a recent album? I seem to remember a song out a few years ago
>called "Round and Round". Was that from _Technique_? It wasn't too bad...Yes,
>please pass on your opinion of their new CD when it comes out. I'd be curious
>to see what direction they're headed...

Technique came out in 1989.  That's when I really got into New Order,
because I saw them in concert in Milwaukee that summer.  "Round and Round"
is from that album and it was the highlight of that concert.

>> But you're not saying you don't like New Order?
>
>Well, I do like some of their music ("Bizarre Love Triangle", "Blue Monday",
>stuff from their first album...), but after a few songs in a row I tend to get
>a little tired of it...

To correct you, _Substance_ was not New Order's first album.  It is
basically a "greatist hits" for New Order.  There first album was
_Movement_, and you have to be a pretty die hard New Order fan to
appreciate it.  But since you are a bit sceptical of New Order I would just
recommend either _Technique_, or the videos that I recommended.

>So what other "alternative" bands do you like?

Alot to the bands I like are sub-catagories of "alternative."  For instance
I like some "grunge" bands, which it is debatable whether you can even
consider them "alternative.  The only reason I try to make the connection
is because when Nirvana first started to became popular, the "alternative
types" tried to claim Nirvana as "alternative."  But anyways I'll just list
some of the bands that I like.

	New Order
	Electronic
	Joy Division
	Sex Pistols
	Ramones
	Cure
	Pearl Jam
	Nirvana
	Skinny Puppy
	Nine Inch Nails
	Front 242
	Nitzer Ebb
	Debbie Harry
	Sugarcubes
	Public Image Limited
	Violent Femmes
	REM
	Pet Shop Boys
	Live
	Ned's Atomic Dustbin
	Teenage Fanclub
	Paul Leary
	Sisters of Mercy
	Kraftwerk
	Smiths
	White Dice
	The The
	Timelords
	Apotheosis
	Cyberaktif
	EMF
	Erasure

Just to name a few.

>Bob T

Mike
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From:         SOUND CAN WASH CLOTHES <TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Miles video: THEY DO NEFFERTITI!!!!!!

Jeff Beer said:

> If it is Footprints, then it probably is the same thing they used on PBS
> great performances.  I am surprised PBS didn't rerun this in September.
> Maybe they will in May.

Yeah, it's the same performance. I just got that Miles "Great Performances"
on video too. I got it from the same guy, and I also got a 1 hour Bird PBS
documentary, "American Masters" if memory serves. Not much Bird footage at
all, just one performance with Diz at the Downbeat awards show for 1951. I
got the feeling that they only had this one single Bird performace on film
and they were set on making the most of it.

Anyway, the rare Miles tape has about 40-45 minutes of that same concert,
the one where they Footprints and it was used on PBS. That set is preceded
by about 45 minutes of another '66 concert, and it too includes Footprints,
and the tape ends up with about 35 minutes of the 1968 stuff. I still
haven't found time to really listen to much of it yet, but hopefully I make
some time this weekend. (Ha! That'll never happen. It'll probably have to
wait till early next week. Busy, busy, busy...) Well, gotta run. Gosh!
Imagine that!

                                                      Tom "Buck-Naked" Buck

P.S. Anybody have the new Coltrane compilation yet? It's on GRP and is
supposed to be a 3 CD set of his best stuff from the Impulse! years. I'd
love to find a track listing if at all possible. I haven't got nearly
enough Trane in my collection, and I keep hoping that MCA/GRP gets their
shit together and starts releasing some better CD's of Trane's stuff. This
buisness of 35 minute releases of the original albums, with no liner notes,
is reprehensible. If this new collection is any good, you can bet I'll be
buying it.....
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Madrigals...

Marsha asks about favorite choral/madrigal pieces we've sung:

	Bernstein's "Chichester Psalms" -- I remember one
		concert we did this at where you could see the
		audience jump at the opening chords.  Bernstein's
		own recordings of this take the last movement
		too fast (why should he treat his own stuff any
		differently).
	Brahms's "Nanie" -- there's a couple of places that are
		just plain scary at least for basses.
	Haydn's "Te Deum" -- The conductor had better watch the
		tempos on the first part or when you get to
		"In te domine speravi" he's going to have a
		mess on his hands.
	Faure's "Requiem" -- I've sung this as a soprano when I
		was in the Columbus Boychoir in my misspent youth
		and as a bass in a couple of places.  I know it's
		trash, but I love it anyway.
	Mozart's "Solemn Vespers of the Confessor" and "Coronation
		Mass" -- I like the former better, but I got to
		sing in the concertato in the latter.  The soprano
		solo in the "Vespers" is an epitome of the divine
		in Mozart.
	Vaughn Williams's "For All The Saints" -- a plain old
		church anthem, but what a melody!  Ranks right up
		there with the Hannukah hymn "Rock of Ages".

I also sang the Randall Thompson and the "Rejoice in the Lamb", but
I like the above better.

And what the heck do you mean you miss singing?  Chicago ought to be
full of good choral groups.  I was very lucky in Tulsa and Huntsville
in that the towns were small enough that they'd let me into the best
choral group in town, but I suspect that in the bigger cities you could
still get into a group (hell, try for the best one -- they may be
short in your voice, or -- considering what you've sung -- you're
probably good enough).  Consider it like time spent in the gym.  Your
mind is on the law, but your body needs exercise and your soul needs
music.  Just do it.  Thus sayeth the Rev.
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:54:07 EST
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Subject:      Homsexuals

L.W. said:

> Someone said that being called a fag was not neccesarily an insult, but
> everyone did jump down Daron's throat (no pun intended), and he deserved
> it. I'm curious how many of ya'll are homosexual..........L.W.

Hey, can we nip this in the bud? Leonard, whether any of us, some of us or all
of us are homosexual is totally and completely besides the point. Sexual
orientation has nothing to do with trying to get rid of bigotry and the kind
of homophobic attitudes that people like dim-bulb possess. I personnally
couldn't care less what either of you think my "preferences" are.


I'm not flaming you. You have your opinion. I disagree with it.

Let's get back to music...

OMC: Somebody mentioned Ray Charles as a great soul singer. No argument here,
but I cringe whenever I see him flogging Pepsi. That "You got the right one,
baby" tune is just downright awful. Kinda sad...

     The Cosby Show (look it wasn't my fault, my parents always watched it...)
once had the whole family lip-synching to a Ray Charles tune. It was a fabulous
song. Anyone know the title and where I could find it?
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From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ROCK AND ROLL

Mike wrote:

> Leonard said:
> >Shame on you mentioning Led Zep and Hendrix in the same context, Led Zep
> >did not have near the same affect on music as Jimi...shame shame...L.W.
>
> You're right.  Anyone can learn to play like Page did, licks and all, but
> no one can reach Hendrix and his stuff.  However, more people seem to
> whip out Zep stuff at jam sessions than Hendrix's stuff, so who's
> to say?  :) :) :)  I like both, despite the shortcomings of Page's
> guitarwork in the later years.  Zep is good jam music.  Unless you are
> really good, playing Hendrix on the guitar is taboo around here.
>
> Mike Masuda
>
>
>     Re: ROCK AND ROLL                                                      R

Speaking of influence: strange as it may seem, I think that Deep Purple
had much bigger impact on music than LZ (judjing simply by the number
of people who sound like both bands). But now people with supposedly
good taste are kind of embarrased to even mention Deep Purple (of
course, MHB is an exception). Another taboo?
         Ilia.
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Subject:      "hey joe" address

>From:         Gordon K Gillon <gnmb12@MECH.GLASGOW.AC.UK>

>I would like to subscribe to the "Hey Joe" mailing list mentioned recently
>but can't locate it. Can anyone help?

Send your subscription request to hey-joe-request@ms.uky.edu.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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>>Make A Jazz Noise
>   I think you'll be happy with _MAJNH_.  It's got some wonderful
>arrangements of a number of FZ's standards (Black Napkins, Oh No, King
>Kong, Orange County Lumbertruck, Theme From Lumpy Gravy, Strictly Genteel,
>etc.).

Yeah, that's the stuff I'm looking for.  I knew it was jazz *something* :-)

>   Good to see that you're gonna try some Sharrock.  You'll get a double
>treat, because _JJ_ features Sharrock playing through an echoplex (I think)
>on one cut (near the end of Yesternow, if memory serves).  _JJ_ is my

I've been interested in Sharrock since reading an interview with him in
Guitar Mag., but have only been able to hear small amounts of his work,
usually not knowing it was him until after "In that last set we heard blah,
blah, blah, Sonny Sharrock, blah blah).  And I didn't want to have to pay
$16 to special order something I wasn't sure of (ok I'm cheap).  But ol'
Noteworthy at $10.61 (weird prices, eh?), well, that was that.

Can't wait to get home and really give them a listen.  Oh, I feel sick. I
need to go home, right now.....

Honestly, what I've heard of ATA sounds a lot like our Tuesday night jams.
No kidding!  Of course, we can only sustain it for 30 seconds......

>(BTW, I've heard Sharrock
>talk about doing a recording of Coltrane tunes when the time is right --
>now wouldn't that be "the shit"!! (with apologies to Da Beer  ;*))

I'd pick that up in an instant.

>   Heh, I guess you haven't heard Peter Brotzmann, Albert Ayler or John
>Zorn yet, huh?  They make Pharoah sound like a pansy.  ;*)

Brotzmann is/was just in Cambridge, Mass.

Russ
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Scott replies, to my amazement!:

>>Funny you should mention that...I did a Rhetorical Criticism speech for
>>competition last year on Simon and Garfunkel's "Seven O'Clock News/Silent
>>Night" and that very topic was a key point. Do any of y'all know the song?
>>Any words of wisdom on it? Whadya think?
>>
>Rhetorical Criticism, eh?  Would that have been with Prof. Vasilew?  Is he
>still there at Binghamton?  Were you, by chance, a Rhetoric major?  Many
>questions!
>
Prof vasilew, as far as I know, is still at Bing. I was not a Rhet major -
actually I was a chem major! - but I took Rhet 496 (Independent Study in
Rhet) as part of my Speech and Debate training. It was to write a Rhet Crit
speech for competition...

>Re: 7 o'Clock News/Silent Night -- If I remember correctly that's where
>S & G sing "Silent Night" in competition with a Vietnam War-era news broad-
>cast.  I can see where you might classify the piece as topical; you'd have
>to have some knowledge of the period to "get it."  I'm not sure how the
>intentional/affective debate comes into criticism of this piece, though.
>Am I being obtuse?
>

No, I was being obscure. I worte my speech trying to show that teh song was
good rhetoric, and that song is rheoric in the first place. (this is not
easy to do when you have to back up your own opinion with scholarly
sources!!!) I was referrin, in your post, to the audience reaction thing.
Part of my discussion was on whether this song would have been as effective
live as it was on tape. It is an interesting flip from the norm - most
people feel that the majority of music is more effective when heard live.
Opinions from the peanut gallery?

Marsha "Okay, not all men are plain assholes, some of them are peanut..."
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Marsha said:
>BTW, you weren't interested, were you?
>
>Marsha "Why are all men taken, gay, hung up on physical appearance or just
>plain assholes?????" Ferziger

Why are all women taken, lesbian, hung up on physical appearance or just
plain bitches?????  Present company excluded.

From personal experience, I can honestly say it seems to go both ways.
And I've never been on a date! Hah!

Mike "hopefully not an asshole to Marsha" Masuda

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Subject:      Judas Priest

Gary says:

>1) I don't think that _Painkiller_ is a new album. I think it's about 2 years
>   old, but I could be wrong.
>2) Priest is dead. Rob Halford is gone.
>3) As for the "kicks butt" part, _Painkiller_ can't touch any of the older
>   Judas Priest albums.  Try _Hell Bent For Leather_ or _Point Of Entry_ for
>   starters.

Yep, _Painkiller_ goes back a year or two. From what I heard it sounded like
their attempt at speed metal. Didn't work that well...

Always liked _British Steel_ and _Point of Entry_ best. They had a live album
recorded in Japan (I think) that seems to be a decent roundup of some of their
early songs. It came out sometime in the mid-late seventies...

So what's Mr. Halford up to nowadays?

Bob T
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Subject:      Re: Obscene profits

>
> Hmmm... Disc: .85  What I don't undertand is why CDs are usually twice
> the price of tapes? I mean, if $14.63 are manufacturing-independent,
> how come tapes never go over 10 bucks? Ah?
>
>        Ilia.
    Because they can get away with it.
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From: s0454850@let.rug.nl (J.P. Prenger)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 19:02:51 GMT
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In article <921103125520.28a0ded2@UNHH.UNH.EDU> "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU> writes:
>Date:         Tue, 3 Nov 1992 12:55:20 -0500
>From:         "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
>Subject:      zappa
>  Ok, which Zappa to get?  I'm not looking for funny stuff.  I want some
>smokin' playing with Zappa-esque arrangements.  Suggestions?  Jazz from Hell?
>
>Russ

Well, I don't what you exactly mean by 'smokin'playing with Zappa-esque 
arrangements', but what I think is a wonderful Zappa-cd is 'Hot Rats'. If 
you just want to play Zappa-songs, then you should listen to one of the 'Joe'
s Garage' albums (I or II & II).


Greetings,

Jan Peter Prenger           ||  'Facts are stupid things'
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 Greetings!  I'm that Randy Goldberg that Marsha mentioned!  Marsha and I
 went to SUNY-Binghamton together, and are (as she said) both big a
 cappella fans.  Don't encourage us - we'll start a feedback and dominate
 the whole list! <g>

 I'm a first year student at New York Medical College, and I'm looking
 forward to participating in this discussion list.  I'm also a charter
 member of the American Non-Sequitur Society ("We may not make sense, but
 we do like pizza.") <g>.

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              5 Nov 1992 14:39:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

I suppose you went to every concert and heard every thing Hetfield said!

I know what song it was and I also heard what Hetfield said. Thank You!

But of course I'm going to wrong, according to everyone else!
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>The process of creating and using labels for genres always amazes
>me. Why, do you think, do we have such a need? Most of us decry it,
>especially when *asked* to define or defend, but it seems we all
>indulge it; as if there were some point to it. What is it?
>Michael Morse

I think it stems from the animal nature in all of us; both predator and prey
have a need to distinguish what is good from what is bad as far as food
goes.  Humans have developed this categorization to such an extent where
we categorize the most trivial things.  Back in history, there was a big
hoopla in the Catholic church on whether or not to use two or three
fingers to signify the blessing--arguments like this are really nitpicky.
The biggest wars arise from the differences in how both groups label the
same thing.  Somehow by labeling things ourselves, it gives a sense of
identity via ego to the labeler.  "You stole my melody!!"--sound familiar?
We are individualists who seek to make a lasting impression on the world,
be it consciously or unconsciously.  Take this away, and you take our
"freedom" away. 'Ironic that this "freedom" generates so much red tape
for everyone else.  Labelling is an animal action, attaching self-identity
to the label is a human action.  If we stop labelling things, or
categorizing things into smaller and smaller things, will it
take our freedom away, or will it give us freedom to try other things?

Hmmmm.....

Michael M. Masuda


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From:         Madame Palindrome <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Step on no pets

I forgot one more thing...

There's a new newsgroup called rec.music.guitar.makers which may be of interest
to Michael and others...

- Carol
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