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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Mystery Play (was Re: Anna and Connie)
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:38:21 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <3451@daily-planet.concordia.ca>
gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.063318.22358@news.unomaha.edu>
>ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>I always thought Fellatio would be a great name for a character in
>>one of Shakespeare's plays. Cunnilingus sounds icky, though, like
>>a gum disease.

>What about the Lingus sisters, Anna and Connie? Aren't they suitable
>material for a play?

An ideal opportunity to repeat the cast of the great
medieval mystery play, "Simony: How to Succeed at Business
Without Really Trying."  All that has remained from the
ancient MS is the dramatis personae:

Penis Rex, the King
Vagina Regina, the Queen
Scrotum, a Wrinkled Old Retainer
Urethra, a Purveyor of Questionable Liquors
Sputum, a Flemish Outcast

to which we now add (modernizing is the mode):

Fellatio, a Remarkable Acrobat
Annie and Connie Lingus, Irish Ladies Not In Waiting
Dildo Latexio, a Sumatran Jester
Merkin, a Clever Deceiver in Mufti
Pudenda Stupenda, an Hirsute Foreigner
Ophelia Meate, a Woman of Easy Virtues

-- 
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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Basic Instinct protests
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:46:35 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

In article <1992Apr3.120115.9251@ircam.fr>
francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) answers Roger Klorese:
 >>...but the number of bisexual/lesbian characters in films who do
 >>not kill is overwhelmed by the number who do, which is the point you miss.

[ ... ]
 >I'll simply claim, anecdotally for the moment (since that is the
 >critical method of choice), that for the nasty bisexual/lesbian
 >characters in our discussion-movie-of-the moment I balance it against
 >the bisexual/lesbian characters in "The Incredible Lightness of
 >Being".  Against Glam-Vampires Deneuve/Sarandon I claim Bette Midler
 >in "The Rose".  Against vague-sexuality female-killer character in
 >"Beverly Hills Cop II" I'll place something from Woody Allen. And on
 >and on.  "Silkwood", "Personal Best"... Lets make a list and really
 >work it out, watcha say?

Please don't forget to tally the total number of films that include
GLB characters against the number that don't (or that don't unless
you know the story they're based on).  

I'm not sure just how it would come out, because there are so many
movies with no motss connections and lots of violence.

 > [ ... ]  However, there are films and television shows where
 >there are closely-bonded pairs of heroic men of unstated, or
 >completely absent sexuality - "The Lone Ranger", "Bearcat", "Star
 >Wars" (well, I counted the Wookie as humanish), "Sea Hunt", "Batman",
 >"The Wild West", "Dragnet"; curiously, more recent movie versions of
 >the cliche ("Batman", "Dragnet") erase the partner, or provide
 >evidence for heterosexuality "Dragnet", "Lethal Weapon", "48 Hours").
 >These might go both ways - one could say that they were 'gay' and were
 >good, or one could say they were good because we didn't know they were
 >gay.

Didn't I read in this very space that the Marathon Man's brother
had to be straightened out to be the protagonist of a novel?  I'm
afraid that they were good because they weren't (known to be) gay.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
From: hayes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes)
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Originator: hayes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:33:32 GMT

In article <57025@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
Path: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amdcad!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Arthur_T_Hu

   Anybody watch PBS "The Machine That Changed the World"? Says that
   Turing committed suicide over a trial for homosexuality. Also says
   that Eckert-Machley were put out of business by McCarthyism. They
   sure didn't teach us that at MIT when we learned about the history
   of computer architectures. Any other interesting stories out there?

It was actually worse than that. He was found guilty and put on a forced
estrogen treatment which caused his body hair to fall out and caused him to
grow breasts. Then, big surprise, he got really depressed and killed 
himself. Great treatment for a war hero.

---PCH
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Slaves of NY (was Re: Maurice)
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:13:43 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire):
> I think between Maurice and Howard's End thye did the horrific SLAVES OF NEW
> YORK based on the Tama Janowitz novel.

*HEY*, i *liked* that movie!  i think i liked it mostly because i'm a
huge fan of bernadette peters, but it also appealed to the offbeat in
me.  sure, it was light and fluffy, but it was supposed to be goofy.
"of course, it's nowhere near as good as the novel..."
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene)
Subject: The rights of minors (was Re: Outed at my high school)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.205803.24226@nntp.uoregon.edu> dise@vector.uoregon.edu (David Ellsworth-Casti) writes:
>Of course, you probably can't do anything, being a minor and all.  (Someone  
>mentioned how minors are slaves, and it is really true in this society.)

Would people please stop saying stuff like this?  This is one of those 
"truths" that's only true as long as people believe it.

In fact, minors have (most of) the same legal protections that adults
have.  In the case at hand, of a student barred from using school
computers and outed because of private conversations, the student's
rights have clearly been violated.

If the school involved was a public school (the post didn't specify),
then the student's Fourteenth Amendment rights to equal protection
under the law and due process have been violated.  The school cannot bar
the student from facilities it makes available to everyone else simply
because it did not like what he was saying or because of some
unsubstantiated unspecified fear of harm (hacking).

Also, the original message referred to a teacher having a copy of
a "flirtatious" e-mail message.  How did the teacher get that
message?  Unless the student left it around in plain view, some
school official must have searched the student's files in violation
of the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable search
and seizures.  It does not matter that the school owned the computer
that the student was using; schools own students' lockers, but they
cannot (generally) search them without a warrant.

While I agree that a legal challange would be very difficult (but
not impossible) without the support of the student's parents, it
is very disempowering to tell the student he has no choice but to
put up with terroristic behavior.  The student has been wronged;
he has the choice whether to fight that wrong or to bide his
time until he leaves for college.  Who knows--perhaps his parents
could be made to see the civil liberties issues involved even if
they're not thrilled about his sexual orientation.

By the way, the ACLU has a handbook called "The Rights of Children"
or "The Rights of School Children" or something like that if people
want more information.  Most libraries should have it.  (Well, all
libraries *should* have it; most probably do.)
From: aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Portlandianna.
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:21:47 GMT
	<1992Apr3.005756.28623@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, UCW, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr3.005756.28623@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:

   i wanna party with jojo.  

   peg

Me too! Me too!

Anybody want to start contributing to my fighting fund to allow a 
poor impoverished postgrad to get to Portland for the motsscon or
Philly for Gaylaxicon?

Ang, impoverished in West Wales
--
Angela Gilham     \ aag@aber.ac.uk \ Glitteringly evil, a group activity, good
Dept. of CS,      \                \ unwholesome fun. It isn't the act but the
UCW, Aberystwyth, \ +44 970 622433 \ hunt and capture.  Maraud me; let's go
Dyfed. SY23 3BZ.  \                \ maraud. Maraud mood, hot marauder, flesh
United Kingdom.   \                \ maraud, female marauder, grope-maraud.
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:42:02 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:

>In article <kumebkINNo05@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu
>(adolphson) writes:

>>I would rather die than eat decomposed cod ever again.  I ate more
>>than my fill as a child, thank you ever so much.

Hey, let's be a bit more accurate here. Lutefisk is not decomposed,
not at all. The whole point is that potassium hydroxide and potassium
hydroxide salts make the fish totally indestructible by micro organism.
Traditionally birch ashes were used to make lutefisk because of their 
high potassium carbonate content. I think lutefisk is basically tasteless.
(It's soaked and boiled before serving, I don't think anyone would
find a mounthful of ashes or potash very delicious.) I don't like its
texture, though.

There are some people in the Norden who actually eat rotten fish,
but I don't want to go into that here....

jari
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Siting Cons (was Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal)
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 02:35:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.182942.27321@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu
(Melinda Shore) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr6.152638.2947@queernet.org>, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger
|> B.A. Klorese) writes:
|> > Or do you find "visiting" to be an
|> > activity instead of a circumstance?
|> 
|> My word.  Must be one of those urban dwellers I've heard so 
|> much about.  

That's right... if I wanted to "visit" I'd just type and read some more.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: El Paso (was Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal)
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:46:48 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <1992Apr4.213924.5317@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
>
>>>Yeah, but how many of them have tricked with Rechy?
>>So, do we get the story or not?
>
>Of the gaymen I know in the LA area, all of them have
>heard of Rechy and about half have tricked with him.

You didn't know me until after I left LA, but I would
as soon trick with Rechy as I would do macrame.

>As the only one who can, Rechy assiduously reports on 
>the sexhunters who don't know "who he is," but rather, 
>know very well who he is.  Not a small number.

Reports are that Camus is about as fun.
-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Subject: Re: "Beast"iality (was: Re: ST:TNG)
Organization: Simulacron I
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:25:59 GMT

In article <2084@uswnvg.UUCP>, dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:
> 
> In article <92092.114017IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> >y'know, i talked to my heterosexual younger brother last
> >night, and even HE didn't like the change from Beast to Prince!
> >i guess, for adults, the beast was much more interesting...
> 
> I thought he turned out too pretty.  However, the actual process
> of changing was one of the better animation sequences I have
> seen.  He spun, and spun, and spun.  He seemed like someone
> waking from a dream.
> 
> >
> >                                          -ailsa
>      Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.
> 
> 

Or Mary Poppins on a string?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:15:28 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

> In article <1992Apr8.094533.19745@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wr
> >can get to IRC by telnetting to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. Run the
> >command "/join #gblf" to get to the gay channel, and then ask for help.
> 
> Mmmm... I tried that.  The telnet connexion got made just fine (ie I got
> as far as the "Connected to.." message) but then - nothing.  Nada.  Rien.

Same thing happened here.  Dunno what to do with a blank,
non-responsive screen, except to escape back to my telnet host.


[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: syd@igc.org (Nicola/Ann McIntyre/Weinstone)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: SF Apartment - June
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:21:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1475900049:000:570
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!syd    Apr 13 08:21:00 1992


We are subletting our SF apartment for the month of June.  The
apartment has two bedrooms but one is in use as an office.  One
person or a couple would be comfortable.  It's got a panoramic
view of the city and is on the fourth floor of a 19th century
building, so it's not wheelchair accessible.  The furniture ranges
from sixties to post modern.  Our rent is $880 but we'll rent it
for $650 in exchange for tending our mail, etc.
We are exceptionally neat and clean and would appreciate the 
same in you.  No smokers please.  If interested, contact Ann
at syd@igc.org
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Texaco running from "Cranes"?
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:55:48 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) calls it like it is:
>
>Anyone who knows that Luciano Pavarotti once
>was in a film called `Yes, Giorgio' will know that Opera is mostly a
>Place where One goes to be seen in One's Furs, and to nudge One's
>Husband awake when He snores too loudly (One enjoys Opera whether One
>likes it or not). While there are many magnificent operas, the number of
>capes and stoles in the checkroom always oppresses me so much that I
>can't even pay attention when Bruennhilde starts screaming.
>
One does not have to know that about Luciano to ignore Bruennhilde's screams.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 13:36:27 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking, But For Strutting

the proper way to walk in boots is to swagger.  just go out two-
 stepping and you will see...  i went friday night.  tons & tons
of tall gorgeous butches in western clothes and boots...  *whimper*
*DEEP SIGH*
                               -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:13:28 GMT

In article <ku9e1fINNhop@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|Shall I take offense?  No, although how anyone could stand to live for
|more than 5 minutes surrounded by Chicaaago aaacents is beyond me.

   Chicago accents?  No, no, you must be mistaken; there is no chicago
accent - it's everywhere else that's got an outragous accent ;-)

                __
  david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
From: jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:39:13 GMT
Organization: Best Care South of the Red River, LCC, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <57053@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>() I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming
>() feature.
>()      -- Thomas Jefferson

... which is why he used the Holy Bible when he was in charge of public
education either for Washington DC or some other part of Virginia.  (The
details are at home ...) For a clue, examine the word "orthodox" in the
context of 19th century Christianity.
-- 
John F. Haugh II      | VNET: LCCB386 at AUSVMQ | "Physical Fitness is the
SneakerNet: 042/2F068 | MaBell: (512) 823-1078  |  basis for all other forms
Internet: jfh@devnet.la.locus.com               |  of excellence"  -- JFK
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:21:34 GMT

In article <HAYES.92Apr17001719@python.cis.ohio-state.edu> hayes@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes) writes:
>In article <jkovbug@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>   She may not have been exploiting homosexuals, but she certainly exploited
>   those dancers.  She would not remove scenes which bothered them.  The
>   scene where one of the dancers kisses the other on the lips was one which
>   the dancer involved wanted removed.  His mother's comments on it were
>   telling "now, the only people who did not know that ______ was gay, his
>   grandparents, saw it on TV."  or somesuch thing.
>
>Oh get real. First of all, the guy with the camera should have clued them
>in. And if that didn't work, the release forms they had to sign before
>going on tour must have.


As someone who has been screwed this way, I can say that you are wrong,
dead wrong, about the release forms.  The problem with releases is that
they do not say what the stuff is going to be used for.  The person handing
you the release can lie, and say whatever they like.  However, once
you have signed the release, they can use the images for whatever they
like.  This happened to me with some nude photos I sat for.

The guy with the camera was working for Madonna, so he or she would not
clue the guys in.  The fact that the camera was there did not tip anyone
off, because, let's face it, if you are touring with Madonna, there
will be cameras everywhere.


It is strange to note that the scene of one dancer kissing the other was
left in the movie against the dancer's wishes, but the scene of Madonna
kissing another woman on the lips was removed.



Sorry to pop your bubble about Madonna, but face it, she is a smart business
woman, who, in reality, has screwed these poor dancers that she exploited.



FWA
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 02:03:33 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GBLO fic (Was Re: Alexander the Great )
 <1992Apr6.183713.19743@u.washington.edu> <1992Apr8.103914.8640@s1.gov>
 <1992Apr9.143549.23411@amhux2.amherst.edu>


tim writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.103914.8640@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>>       I wonder what gay men here feel about the idea of heterosexual
>>or bisexual women fantasizing about male/male sex. Does it qualify as
>>exploitation?
>
>No.

how about lesbians who fantasize about male-male sex?  one of
the best pieces of erotica i ever read was an account of one
gay man giving another a blowjob.  i know, i know, i'm odd...
but for me, so long as there are only motss in teh picture, it's
erotic.  it it's motos, it's gross.  penii look nice in men's
mouths, nasty in women's.  am i odd or what???

                                              -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:09:07 GMT

In <1992Apr5.173359.14148@queernet.org> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

>The point was to encourage NY/NJ to rescind its joke proposal and enter a
>real one.
> 
>And this is a whine.  But that's expected.

Sorry to disappoint you, Roger!  We had the makings of a decent
proposal, but when we read the PDX proposal it just sounds much more
interesting than anything we could have come up with.

However, we did decide to come up with a proposal of events centered
around the NYC Pride March.  Housing arrangements will be provided,
etc. but we're going to take advantage of all the events happening in
NYC that week rather than plan our own.

How does that sound?

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (play) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 03:43:32 GMT
Organization:  

As some of you may remember, one of my New Year's resolutions was to become
more butch (another was to flirt more).

I'm obviously beyond becoming innately butch, so I decided to go for
exterior butch - boots, jeans, that sort of thing.  It turns out that
Wrangler jeans fit me better than Levi's, even though Levi's are more
politically correct, so I bought some.  I also started looking for some
cowboy boots. 

After looking at hundreds of boots, I decided that they fall into one of 
three categories: 

 1) Ugly 

 2) Uncomfortable

 3) Expensive 

Some fall into all three categories, of course, but there were no
inexpensive boots which were both comfortable and cheap, and I'm not
floating in money at the money, so I ended up bootless.

I was in a used clothing store the other day, and they had some used boots.
I tried them all on, and lo and behold, one pair was inexpensive,
comfortable, and not horribly ugly.  (This probbably happened because the
boots were probably around $400 new, but a dreadful color of tan). 

I decided that the color problem could be fixed, so I bought them and took
them to the shoe shop to be dyed. 

So today I have a like-new pair of boots with a wonderful leather/polish
aroma.  But you know what?  You don't walk in boots the way you walk in
shoes.  I don't have the hang of it yet.  I feel like I'm going to fall
over, and I probably look like someone who is trying to look butch, but not
succeeding.

Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
about the proper way to walk in boots?

-- 

------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton         jfh@netcom.com