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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Cruise Control w/ Manual Transmission
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:25:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) says:

>
>Some carmakers take the cheap way out and put the vacuum dump switch on the
>clutch pedal, brake pedal.  They use brake light signal to deactivate the cruise
>control electronically.  The vacuum dump switch is fall-back mechanism.
>Note the lack of electrical switch on the clutch.
>
>Suppose you are going up the hill on the cruise control and decide the upshift.
>Since the gas pedal is already pulled in by cruise control cable, by the time
>vaccum switch dumps all the vaccum and disconnects the cruise control, engine
>would be racing.
>
>This is exactly what happened on my SHO.  I suppose I could figure out a way to
>adjust the clutch vacuum switch but manual does mention any way of doing that.
>
>I know the vacuum switch works because I can press the clutch pedal on the level
>road under cruise and it will disconnect.

so plug up the hole for the vaccuum switch, buy a small switch, and place it 
in the same circuit as the brake light one!?
DREW
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From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: the Best Fuel Additives!
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:49:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov21.064916.29722
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington


Slightly off the subject...I got around to pouring water through my carb
just before my last oil change.  I used about a quart, pouring it in the
primary venturi over the course of about 5 minutes.  It stalled once but
started right back up (phew!).  Afterwards, I pulled a plug and found
that while it wasn't squeaky clean, what carbon there was on the plug
came off easily with a fingernail. I changed the oil and found that the
old oil had a significant amount of water in it.  I suspect this wouldn't
have been the case had I run it at temperature for a while.  Anyway, it's
been a week of spirited driving (well...as spirited as you can get in an
'85 sentra, 120K mi.) and milage has gone up about 5%, pinging is gone
(usually very pronounced when pulling away from lights, up hills, etc.), and 
power is noticeably better.  I've never been one to subscribe to miracle cures
or too-good-to-be-true additives but this is definitely one I'll do again.


David Basiji
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: My new Saturn in the shop for new transmission
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:08:18 GMT
Keywords: Saturn reliability

In article <1992Nov19.020405.28745@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.011448.11730@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> clee@praha.jpl.nasa.gov (Chang Lee)
>writes:
>>Two weeks ago, I put down 15K at the dealer for a new SL2.  500 miles and a 
>>week later, the car's back at the dealer for a new transmission.  Obviously,
>>I'm unhappy about the situation.  I bought the car partly because of claims
>>of quality and reliability, but this episode has me deeply worried.  So,
>>I'd appreciate feedback from Saturn owners regarding the reliability of their
>>car (or should I get a refund and buy a Civic?)
>
>I should slap Mr. Lee for this.
>
>Mr. Lee could spend 15K, and he bought a Saturn?  Buy Saturn if you are pressed
>for money, but 15K doesn't sound like Mr. Lee is pressed for money.
>
>My advice, if Mr. Lee doesn't mind buying 100% Japanese (but I personally would
>have second thoughts because I'm an American), then buy an Acura Integra.
>It's a much better car than the Saturn.
>
>On the other hand if he wants to buy American-ish, then I would suggest
>a Honda Civic.  Again, it's a much better car than the Saturn.  Since you

	Take it from someone who has to drive a grossly underpowered Honda 
product, KEEP THE SATURN.  I assume you have the DOHC SC2 or SL2 or SW2.
The Integra is not worth the money (bland as Hell except for the GS-R, which
may be expensive for you) and I drive a Civic (not new generation, but
extensively test drove cars in this price class this summer, and new Civic was
one of them) and will tell you that although it handles like a dream, it isn't
worth the $$.  The other car in the PR that is worth a looksee is the Sentra,
and maybe the Protege/Tracer/Escort.  

	BTW, anyone else on the net think the second poster is just a little
bit pro-Japanese?  I mean, I drive a Japanese car, but think that you can buy
an American car *NOW* not when I bought mine ('87 Civic), that is every bit
as good in every catagory.  This guy will *not* buy one to gave his life.

	Oh, one more thing, $1700 in pure profit?  What about overhead?


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From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:22:14 GMT

dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:

>In article <1992Nov15.060407.1359@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
>> dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
>> 
>> >In article <1992Nov5.040209.4665@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, 
>> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> In my opinion, we should 
>> >> concentrate first on fixing/removing those autos that pollute the most.
>> 
>> >Well in my opinion, I think we should get rid of every
>> >polluting big mouth that wants to remove all of the *fun* cars
>> >from the road.
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> And I think we should get rid of every SOB that puts words in my
>> mouth (that'd be you, pal).

>Well I'm hurt...NOT!!

Ooooh, such scathing rhetoric.

>> I'm *not* suggesting we remove every
>> well-maintained classic muscle car from the road.  I *am* suggesting
>> that we get rid of the old beaters that only see maintenance when
>> it comes time to pass inspection.

>Okay, maybe I misread you but you aren't listening to me
>I don't want to see these programs suck in the "special interest"
>cars as well.

I don't recall ever disagreeing with you.  As I recall, I specifically
excluded well-maintained classics (what you refer to as "special
interest" cars) from my suggestion.  Now, you tell me:  who wasn't
listening?

>> BTW, I drive a 1992 Laser RS Turbo - definitely a *fun* car in
>> my book.  I'll bet money that I'd beat your 396 cubic inches in
>> an emmissions test (probably on a winding country road, too).

>Oh Scott, not a "my cars faster than your car" battle, however,
>I'd be willing to take you up on that challenge anytime.

Nope, it's not a "my cars [sic] faster than your car" challenge.
My point was that a car doesn't have to be a big-block to be
fun and fast, and that newer cars are much more likely to have
cleaner emissions than their ancestors.  Oh, BTW, I have no 
delusions about outrunning one of the big-block beasts
on a straightaway; that's why I specified a "winding country
road" :-).

--
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borders_scott@tandem.com

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From: barry@geovision.gvc.com (Barry Comer)
Subject: Re: What do you think about Grand AM?
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:32:30 GMT

I had one for a few days while I was getting my MX-3 fixed(some piece of
shit tried to break into it).  Needless to say I wanted my MX-3 back real
fast.  The Grand Am was just not up to the standards of the Mazda.  The car
looks like three different design teams were working on it and they tried to
join all the pieces together with what ever it took.

cheers
Barry


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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Wanted: Tips on Driving a Manual
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:05:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) says:

>In article <1992Nov12.005735.25249@EE.Stanford.EDU> sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul) writes:
>>Now that the merits and weaknesses of automatics and manuals have been
>>established, I hope we can start a discussion (provided it's not a FAQ) on good
>>driving techniques using a manual.
>>
>>In particular, I would like to know what I can do to make my driving more fun? 
>>(I drive a 5-spd Toyota Tercel, ie., no horsepower)
>
>Drive a Rabbit Diesel or a Yugo for a few weeks, then go back to your
>Toy.  It will feel like a Supra Turbo.

saw one of these with an automatic once...WHEW!@!!!!..one of the worst sights
i've ever beheld!...ACK!
DREW

>>Thanks for all responses.
>>-Zak.
>
>
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From: andrewg@brtph346.BNR.CA 
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Reply-To: andrewg@brtph346.BNR.CA 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:51:54 GMT

In article <uznerk.721888494@mcl>, uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:
|>In <1992Nov14.163136.24473@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
kiel_jeff@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com writes:
|>

|>>7.  Putting US auto-workers out of work is good for America.  Let's say a U
|>>auto plant goes under.  A few workers loose their jobs.  So what!  First of
|>>all, they were making bad cars anyway - they do not deserve to work! 
Second,
|>>they are going to collect unemployment anyway.  They can spend this money on
|>>the economy which will definitely HELP the U.S. economy.  Eventually
they will
|>>find one of those new "service" jobs like working at McDonald's. 
Besides, if
|>>enough people loose their jobs we would need to open another unemployment
|>>office which means we need to hire more people to staff the office which
|>>CREATES jobs.  You see?  This definitely helps the economy by
creating jobs and
|>>putting more money into the economy.
|>
|>
|>BAH! I'm not even going to bother answering this one.  I'm actually starting
|>to laugh now.
|>
|>
That was, I believe, the intention of the article (that you start to laugh). It
was a not too subtle attempt at irony. Not all ironic statements are
appended with
'NOT!!'. I suggest you widen your idea of humour beyond Waynes World.
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Andrew Grant. (Humour-impaired, NOT!)
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:03:49 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Nov17.085752.2409@nntp.hut.fi> mjarvi@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko I J{rvi) writes:
>
>
>More to the list:
>
>Toyota Crown
>Volvo 400 series
>
>..and  Peugeot 106 XR . Really fun car to drive

	Wait, aren't you from Finland? big old :-)

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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:26:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <Bxyz92.DKH@mail.boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
|> michael.e.carey (mcarey@cbnewsb.cb.att.com) wrote:
|> : >
|> : >Diesels:
|> : >
|> : >Go with the Cummins (I understand Ford will be going with that motor, too)
|> : >if you can afford it.  The International engine in the Ford trucks is okay
|> : >but lacks the all-out-power of the Cummins.  I know several people that 
|> :   <stuff deleted> 
|> : 
|> : Woa!  I would like to know your source on Ford using the Cummins instead
|> : of the IH?  I haven't heard of this.  This would spell bad news for
|> : an already troubled Navistar.  As for the power of the IH, back when
|> : ford first started putting them in there trucks (then it was a 6.9 liter
|> : Diesel), the rear-ends could not take the power of the engine and they
|> : kept dropping out.  If they are going with the Cummins for power reasons,
|> : I hope that they are a little more prepared this time.
|> 
|> Heard it from a friend that is shopping for a diesel truck.  I admit that
|> my source is not all that great.  I'll try to pin him down on his source...
|> 
|>
My sources tell me that Ford wanted to use the Cummins engine before Dodge
di, since Ford owns part of Cummins, but their contract with Navistar
precluded them.  When their contract expires (next year?) they will indeed
switch over.  I've heard this from several people I've talked to in campgrounds
and truck stops but I haven't corroborated the information so it is just a
rumour...


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:27:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.020843.4524@attila.weitek.COM> ehsan@attila.UUCP () writes:
>
>hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>garage. similar to one found in parking lots?
>thanks.

any landscaping, rockery, gardening shop

BTW - I knew a person who drove his car into the garage and worked
on doing it until it was positioned perfectly - then, he took a 
long piece of twine and attached a soft object (ball, sponge, etc)
to it - then he hung the twine from the rafters, letting it down
far enough so the soft object just touched his windshield and secured
the twine at the top - after that, both he and his wife could drive
into the garage and stop when the soft object made contact with
his windshield.....

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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: LH: first drive
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:28:16 GMT

In article <1erob6INN2ev@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Cindy Crawford) says:
>
>>I just drove a Chrysler Concorde this weekend.  It was 
>>equipped with the 3.5 liter 214 bhp motor and the Touring
>>suspension with Eagle GA tires.  This is a magnificent automobile,
>>and it is every bit as good as it looks.  Buy one and laugh and
>>point fingers at those who drive Camry V6's.  It was such a
>>great feeling to drive an affordable American car with such
>>thorough excellence!  Best of all, its build quality and materials
>>are every bit as good as the Japanese.  Be proud, America!
>>There is indeed hope for the American auto industry!
>>
>>--Aamir Qazi
>>  mail to: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
>>
>But..and a HUGE one from my standpoint, and, possible, others as well, is
>that i have never seen an advert for one with a stick. does anyone out there
>know if they come with the 214 motor, and a stick? or are you stuck with
>the auto, much like the Bonneville..beautiful car, no stick, T'bird takes 
>it! if the SHO doesn't!..just curious!
>DREW

	Maybe the Intrepid or Vision have sticks?


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From: kpt@fig.citib.com (Kevin P. Tyson)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: IISA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:34:12 GMT

In article <lgq8jsINNf62@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>The 300ZX is a 2-seat vehicle.  It is also generally considered a high
>performance car.  Anyone who has one of those who does not rip out the
>3-point crap and install 4-point has an open trace on his/her mother
>board.

I drive an Eclipse GSX, not quite in the same class but a performance
car none the less.  I've been trying to find out about 4 or 5 point
racing harnesses for this car.  What I've been told so far is quite
troubling.  It seems that if I do find a supplier that
(1) My car will never again pass inspection in my state, NJ.
(2) I will never be able to sell my car without re-intsalling the
original equipment.

Is this true?  Do airbags provide any protection that 4 or 5 point
racing harnesses do not?  If they don't why can't we adults just bring
a note from our mothers saying we promise to use the safer system
rather than the passive system? :-).

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From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:12:22 GMT

In article <By4ysJ.3zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov21.220007.25756@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
|> >Oh, shut up and get a Honda NSX.  End of discussion.
|>                        ^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> 	If you're gonna spend that much, wait a while and get a Viper.

Oh, give me a break.  I'd take the NSX over that beast any time.  

Don Clayton
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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:46:17 GMT
Subject: Mech ABS retrofit (ABS-TRAX)
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I've just seen a mechanical ABS retrofit.  Its called "ABS-TRAX" and is
supposed to be derived from aircraft systems.  Have you heard of it, and if
so, any data-points or anecdotes?

The system consists of a small pressurised chamber which fastens (one per 
brake circuit) onto the master cylinder output, somewhat like a reserviour.
The chamber contains a pressurised Nitrogen chamber and diagphram; when the
brake fluid hits a pre-set pressure (supposed to be within 5-10% of lockup),
a valve will actuate to relieve the pressure and keep the wheels on the 
threshold of skidding (somewhat similar to threshold braking).  Under normal
braking, it is supposed to not activate.

There is no speed sensor like the electronic versions.  Since this device 
works on a principle similar to threshold braking (I think), it appears to
be better than electronic ABS, no?

The sales guy could not tell me how/what was used to determine the threshold 
nor the method of pressure relief.

This system is supposed to in use on aircraft, and is supposed to reduce 
braking distances by up to 30%.  Its also supposed to be DOT certified (for
what its worth).  The company claims to have sold 15000 units in US alone.


Does anyone have any experience with this?  Does this system sound viable? 
Is this really used in aircraft?  Should I part with good money for this?

(price is approx US$620, incl installation).

comments/suggestions welcome.
lawrence
leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com