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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Pentagram (was Re: satan, son of)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:49:44 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <BtozHC.6CD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.125511.240@dct.ac.uk>, mcsbc1itr@dct.ac.uk writes:

[cute pentagram deleted]

> 	A Horned God symbol?  Pan?
> 
> 	Sorry, man, but the SATANIC pentacle has a circle around it, and is 
> an upside down version of the pagan symbol for north/earth.
> 
> 				D

Picky, aren't we?

I don't know *where* the pentagram symbol originated (though I could take a
stab at how it got inverted) but I'd guess you'd have to go back a little
further than the pagan symbol for north, and I kinda doubt that the circle is
all that essential.

But even if I'm dead wrong, don't you think that it's a little excessive
carping at someone for not putting an ascii circle around their pentagram?

BTW, does anyone here *know* how the referred-to symbol got started? And if you
do, can you give a source of information (yeah, in your dreams, Sem)?

--Semhaza, Child of the Night 
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 03:54:59 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug21.220735.28047@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> <1a+n1b-.henderso@netcom.com>

This is always good for a laugh:

	If someone asks you to save their seat, turn to the seat and
	start telling it loudly that it must repent its sins and accept
	Jesus, and then start praying for it.

This is most fun when the person who asks you to save the seat is a
stranger in a theatre.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: Bible or Not?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:05:19 GMT

In article <BtMLG6.Ky4@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>	It occurred to me recently with all this hype about the Lost Books
>of The Bible, that most of you found the Bible to be a piece of fiction.
>Why then do you care so much about the Lost Books.  Is it real as opposed
>to the Bible being fiction, and if so, why does it have the title - The
>Lost Books of THE BIBLE.  Hmmm...  Seems like a double standard to me!
>
>			-Casey Hopkins
>			Not affiliated with any sort of
>			religion.
>			t

	One thing many Satanists, not to mention many scientifoc agnostics, 
ontological geurillas, discordians, fundamentalist wiccans (especially dianics) 
and ceremonial magicians (which satanism is an offshoot of, BTW)  would like
to see is the death of the Xtian church.  Not, necessarily, out of spite, but
rather out of the fact that it has been the single most backward, twisted, 
progress-impeding, tradition-impeding, bigoted, and just plain bull-stubborn 
(apologies to tauruses) STUPID religion out there.  Most sects of Islam are
more open minded than an average Xtian denomination.
	As a result, most of us in religions that are either opposed to xtianity
or in religions that merely see it as what it is -- an impediment to any
thing besides itself, would dance happily in a world without it.
	After all, what do you do when there is suddenly NO moral basis,
even a stupid one, for the concept that one cannot go out into Daley Plaza at
midnight, take off all ones clothes, rub blue stuff all over oneself, and dance
around a bonfire?
	If you WERE a xtian, you just get confused.  If you weren't a xtian, 
you probably DO it, if not for the hell of it, than for spite.
	Unfurtunately, what most do not realize is that finding documents 
that prove christianity's bible to be false will not stop them.  The apocrypha
are merely those books edited out of it when they did not entirely agree with
the rest.  It is how xtianity pulls off its method of making sure their bible
is "proveable"  there is nothing left that cannot be interpreted in such a way
that it matches the rest.  If you ever hear a xtian say "you're reading things
into that" understand that they mean, "you're reading things into that besides
what this denomination has agreed t read into that."
	However, if the first 3 pages of the bible were discovered, and they 
read "to my darling lucy... all characters represented in this novel are 
fictional and any resemblance to real characters, living or dead, is purely
coincidental."  The xtians would just say it is the work od the devil, and
there would be 3 more pages in the apocrypha.
	Technically, apocrypha is anything that claims to be the word of 
the christian god that the christians do not want in it.

					D

	(did I get that right, Scott?)

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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: find lives
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:13:41 GMT
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In article <j1moody-010992225338@lafmac15.lafortune.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty) writes:
>Satanism is the result of insecurity.

Your experiments perhaps; thank you for your brilliant self-insightful over-
generalization!

>Most "devil-worshipers" are teenage, middle class kids going through the
>trials of puberty, not finding any answers in the mediocre world around
>them
>so they lash out in rebellion. 

_Most_? Most you know perhaps. Idiot...

>Puberty will pass. But the scars you inflict during puberty will not.

What are you trying to say here?

>There are better ways of rebelling than conforming to a blind state
>of adrenaline-seeking escapism.

Agreed. What has this to do with satanism?

>Can any of you folks think of a better form of asserting one's 
>identity than hiding behind pentagrams?

I don't own a pentagram. Do you have nothing better to do than make confessions
about how you've done the "Satanism kick" but is now a "mature" and sees the
 errors of his ways?
>
>I've been through the Satanism kick. It was a bum trip in retrospect.

You may have been through a "Kick" or "phase"; I'm glad you're out of it
(and presumably back in the Roman Catholic trap, ya left the orgname on
{notre dame indeed}) idiots like yourself who "get into the satan thing" for
teenage thrills & rebellion are the ones who give legitamate satanists a bad
name by running about defacing churches & other such nonsense.

-Scott (still going through that "satanism" kick at 23)
From: mcsdc1jcwj@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: SATAN and other animals 
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:44:10 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

                            
                        /|          |\
                      /  |  _____   |  \
                     |    \/     \ /    |
                      \                /
                        \  /\  /\    /   
                        ==---==---==     
                         |__/  \__|         _
                        \    ..    /       | |
                         | ______ |      /|| ||
                           \/  \/        \   /
                           __| |_        /  /
                         / |\../| \    /  /
                       /   |/''\|   \/  /
Satan , master of the dark dimensions puts on his shades and a bow tie and bids 
you all to spin on it .
-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________________
|                                          |  |_______|                       |
| Sky and clouds and birds and trees and   |  |       |     _     (______ .   |
| babies and children and grass and plants |   \_____/    _(_)     _          |
| and rainbows and little bunny rabbits can|              ----|-  (_)         |
| all say hello to Mr.Flamethrower here .  |  |-------|           ___         |
|**Hell is for Children**Only women bleed**|                      __)         |
| The Reverend Laird Jon.Justice of Camster|  ________|           .           |
|__________________________________________|          |                       |
| mcsdc1jcwj@vaxb.dct.ac.uk | My opinions are all my own and not the college's|
'---------------------------' even when they are . etc, etc, etc .            |
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: terryh@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Terry Heatlie - Sun U.K.)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 16:06:09 GMT
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In article <1992Aug28.134921.28421@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mwsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Weasner) writes:
|> In article <25660@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sichase@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
|> >In article <34544@cbmvax.commodore.com>, kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - CATS) writes...
|> >>Bush spends.
|> >>-- 
|> >>                                      __
|> >>        John Kominetz, III            \/          Aikido Ki No Kawa
|> >>  Commodore Apps and Tech Support           "I speak for myself, not C=."
|> >> ========================================================================
|> >>  "The higher you fly, the faster you fall."          -- Laurie Anderson
|> >
|> >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >
|> >That's not true.  You have a defective .sig.
|> >
|> >-Scott
|> actually, in a way, I think it is true. You accelerate at the same rate. 
|> (9.8 m/s ?) So if you are higher, you get more time to accelerate. Therefore,
|> you are going faster when you hit the ground and go <SPLAT!>.

Only until you reach terminal velocity.  After that, more height does
not make more splat. Also, its 9.8 ms^-2 strictly speaking.

I didn't Aero. Eng. for nothing you know!  (they made me pay :-)

--Terry.


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From: STDN%MARIST@VM.MARIST.EDU (Dan Newcombe)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: The Devil and Violins
Date: 27 Aug 1992 13:44:56 -0500
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I was wondering if anyone could point me to references of the
Devil playing the violin, OTHER THAN Charlie Daniels "The Devil
Went Down to Georgia"

  thanks,
   -Dan
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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: satan, son of
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:17:15 GMT
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In article <Btt2G6.16u@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.044441.6312@ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:
>>Don't know where you get the pagan thing from. I think some ceremonial magick
>>types use the pentagram for an earth symbol. Some also use it for north(same 
>>as earth).
>	Wiccans do too.  Got the pagan thing from Spiral Dance and from
>Drwaing Down the Moon.  Earth and north are corelated.  Pentacle became coins
>or stones later, and is best known for its existence in the Tarot, which it
>still remains in, as well as in the Modern Tarot, now shown as Diamond.
>	(though I never figured out why they don't call that suit "rubies" 
>as diamonds aren't red.)
>
Yeah, but these "pagans" get a lot of their ceremonies from Golden Dawn/
Aliester Crowley, as do satanists... But ye probobly knew that

-Scott (minion of Yogge Sottothe)



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From: akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Subject: Re: Subject?
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:14:13 GMT

In article <BtG686.BpC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fuzzy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Treehugger) writes:
>In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>
>>Jesus Saves
>
>Moses Invests
>
Saturn Floats

-g


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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx02.louisville.edu (Shaitan)
Subject: Re: find lives
Followup-To: alt.satanism
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Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:31:00 GMT

In article <j1moody-010992225338@lafmac15.lafortune.lab.nd.edu>, j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)   writes...
>Satanism is the result of insecurity.

No:  Satanism is relative :)

> 
>Most "devil-worshipers" are teenage, middle class kids going through the
>trials of puberty, not finding any answers in the mediocre world around
>them so they lash out in rebellion. Puberty will pass. But the scars you
>inflict during puberty will not.

I assume you mean deeds of a violent nature which one might have done during
puberty in the name of Satanism. . .well, I believe that most of the Satanists
here have a different view of Satanism.  While I can't tell you what it is, I
can tell you that I'm not a Satanist; I'm a human.  I defy all gods (not
difficult to do, since they're all mere ideas).  Now that I've gained millions
of enemies, I'll continue:

>There are better ways of rebelling than conforming to a blind state
>of adrenaline-seeking escapism.

Hey, don't knock escapism. . .I vote for it.  We are all prisoners of our
mind--what we've been taught--until we render our minds otherwise.  But
yes--the blind adrenaline-seeking kind is reserved for Busch Gardens, King's
Island. . .Disneyworld.  Hell.  Or worse yet:  Xian churches.

>Can any of you folks think of a better form of asserting one's 
>identity than hiding behind pentagrams?

Killing thousands of people with grenade launchers?  Shouting "I'm da
terminator!" everywhere I go?  How about this:  departing from the sphere
created by other mortals and existing in one of your own?  Will that fly?

>I've been through the Satanism kick. It was a bum trip in retrospect.

What aspect of the "Satanism kick" did you go through?  I'm curious as to the
full perspective you had of satanism when you wrote your post.

--Shaitan--

*****************************************************************************
"I am human--I was made to be the ultimate machine,
 I am human--I have the power to realise my dream.
 I am human--an automation--a mindless 'techoslave,'
 I am human--I am servant to the monsters I have made."  --Skyclad,
						       "The Cradle Will Fall"
From: pechever@sal-sun67.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 15:24:56 -0700
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In article <7539@monmouth.edu] c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
]In article <BtpB5L.AGr@news.larc.nasa.gov] carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson) writes:
]]
]]Um, Matt?  Have you ever heard of terminal velocity?  Ask a sky diver sometime.
]]    
]]*Dr. Ann B. Carlson (carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov)*       O .
]
]	Terminal Velocity depends on the existance of an atmosphere, neh?
]In a vaccuum, there should be no speed limit, until you start to reach a 
]significant fraction of the speed of light, at which point I don't pretend
]to understand.
]	Anyway, I've always found the use of "terminal velocity" in the
]context of skydiving somewhat ironic. :)
(.sig deleted...)

Hm, but the quote did mention flying--and that presupposes an atmosphere.
Also, just to say something, wouldn't the distance necessary to get up
to a fraction of lightspeed put you so far away from the center of mass
that the gravitational field would be virtually nil? (Inverse square, you
know).
			2 grams o' cuprozinc,
				The Heckler
				Paul Echeverri


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From: crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,sci.physics,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:53:00 GMT
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Organization: University of Virginia

In article <25AUG199210545351@rosie.uh.edu> st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
>In article <25701@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, sichase@csa3.lbl.gov writes...
>>In article <24AUG199207102591@rosie.uh.edu>, st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes...
>> 
>>>(ME):  That didn't make any sense.  How do they know it wasn't one of the 
>>>other topiaries.  Why did they say they had found the actual tomb?  How do 
>>>we know that "Icathus" wasn't a common name like "john" back then?  How do 
>>>we know that the biblical Icathus was even buried in *any* of those 
>>>topiaries?  
>> 
>>"Topiary"?  Anyone who has read Steven King now fears topiaries - but knows
>>them to be bushes cut into the shapes of animals, which come to life outside
>>all but deserted hotels in the depths of winter.  
>> 
>>Is there another meaning of this word which can account for the usage given
>>by Stephen?

>It's amazing.  Did you cut the article on purpose or did you just not read it?
>In an earlier part it says,
>"topiary (SP?  "container for bones of the dead)" "
>Did I err?  Was I sufficently unclear?  This says:
>"I'm not sure on the spelling of this word, but here is what it is supposed
>to mean."
>Hope this helps.  If there is some way I can make it clearer next time let
>me know.  Perhaps large red flags?
>---
>Stephen McLeod        Is Bald Sexy?  How about completely hairless?
>The Eternal? Student

     Yes, you were sufficiently unclear.  A 'topiary' is a place where
     there are a bunch of bushes.  If you were referring to an 'ossuary',
     (that is, a place for bones) then a reference to 'topiary' would
     be very confusing indeed.   They do, of course, have four letters
     that are the same, but the same is true of 'weed' and 'wildebeest',
     but I would be truly shocked to find a wildebeest in my garden.

     As far as physics goes, I suppose we could discuss the trajectory that
     an ossuary or topiary would take if we launched one at you.
     Would it be chaotic?

                                    dale bass
-- 
C. R. Bass                                           crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia                            (804) 924-7926
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Subject?
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:25:47 GMT

Steve Adams (adams@spss.com) wrote:

: Jesus = Yeshua = Joshua.  What the enscription said is 'Joseph'.  Yeshua is
: 'Joshua', not Joseph.  'Jesus' is a Greco-Roman corruption.

Gee, how many times have I told people *that* before?  Gee, nobody believes
me ... all those biblical greek scholars who know more than the folks who do
this for a living...<sarcasm intended>!

: See this month's Biblical Archeology Review if you want the scoop.

Is this August or September?  Damn, I *knew* I should've subscribed! :(
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Pentagram (was Re: satan, son of)
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:36:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug28.164944.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Picky, aren't we?
]
	Not really.

>I don't know *where* the pentagram symbol originated (though I could take a
>stab at how it got inverted) but I'd guess you'd have to go back a little
>further than the pagan symbol for north, and I kinda doubt that the circle is
>all that essential.

	in actuality, it started out inverted.

>
>But even if I'm dead wrong, don't you think that it's a little excessive
>carping at someone for not putting an ascii circle around their pentagram?

	I wasn't carping at anyone.  I was halibutting.

>
>BTW, does anyone here *know* how the referred-to symbol got started? And if you
>do, can you give a source of information (yeah, in your dreams, Sem)?

	I figger some celt on flying ointment.


			D (child of the twilight)
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:59:45 -0400 
From: David O Hunt <dh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Subject?

Jesus saves!

Moses invests!

Buddha recycles!

David
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From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: satan, son of
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:48:47 GMT

>In article <1992Aug27.125511.240@dct.ac.uk>, mcsbc1itr@dct.ac.uk writes:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                        *.                     .*             
>                         \   .              .  /                             
>                          \      .      .     /                              
>                           \        .        /                               
>                            \   .      .    /                                
>                             \             /.                                 
>                         .    \           /    .                              
>                     .         \         /        .                           
>                 *--------------\-------/------------*        
>                                 \     /                                    
>                                  \   /                                      
>                                   \ /                                       
>                                    *
> 

	A Horned God symbol?  Pan?

	Sorry, man, but the SATANIC pentacle has a circle around it, and is 
an upside down version of the pagan symbol for north/earth.

				D
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: satan, son of
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:28:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

>Yeah, but these "pagans" get a lot of their ceremonies from Golden Dawn/
>Aliester Crowley, as do satanists... But ye probobly knew that

	As Crowley, the Masons, The Alumbrados, and so on, go their ceremonies
from a combination of Druids, Quabalah, and the Old religions of Northern Europe
and the British Isles.
	Oh, and a wee bit of shinto just to throw people, and Tantra from the 
Hindic peoples, presumably because it was fun.

		But it's really just because it has 5 sides, and Eris knows
that's enough!

						D