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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:27:48 EST
From:         Chris=Belmans%Bib%Rechten@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      re: 70 % slack !!!

How did you measure the %slack?? (Norton Utilities?)

I'm not shure that the DOS-utilities give an exact value for % slack.

When I installed first a 1.2 GB drive I had the same questions as you have
now.  Therefore I 'investigated' the problem a little bit harder.  Now I'm not
very shure anymore that the %slack is really that high.

What I suggest you to try:
1- with QFS (a utility from Carlisle) or DIR, determine the free space on a
file service of your network disk,
2- copy e.g. 10 MB from a local HD to the network disk
3- determine the free space of the network disk (see 1-)
4- determine the disk space that the copied files take on the local HD
5- compare 4- with   3- minus 1-
6- make your conclusion! (is %slack REAL or an ARTEFACT?)

(check that no other user changes the free disk space on the network disk!)

Chris Belmans
K.U.Leuven / Rechtsgeleerdheid
Dienst Informatica
Tiensestraat 41
B-3000 Leuven
Belgium
Phone : 32 16 285234
Fax   : 32 16 285272
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:31:32 MDT
From:         devildog@TECNET1.JCTE.JCS.MIL
Subject:      [FWD] PC DIALIN HELP

somehow the To: got fouled up on my first try.
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>From: devildog
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>To: bnbanyan-l@vm1.cc.uakron.edu
>Posted: Sep  5 21:58 MDT (Sep  6 03:58 ZULU)
>Subject: PC DIALIN help
>
>I have a PC DIALIN setup using a HAYES smartmodem 9600.  If I dial into it with
>another HAYES smartmodem 9600, I can get a connection at 19.2 - but if I dialin
>
>with a non-HAYES modem (UNISYS 9600) [even though the autocon.sct reports
>'HAYES smartmodem 9600 detected] the best I can get is 2400 baud.
>
>     1.  Is this a problem with VINES or with the HAYES compression techniques?
>
>
>     2.  Can I solve this problem with another UNISYS modem on the server ?
>
>         (I would just put one on and try it, but it is not MY server)
>
>Thanks
>Roland
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:32:05 MET
From:         HoornwegB@FACB.FHK.EUR.NL
Subject:      re: Disk 1 replacement

Josef,

Support here for Tom Elliot. He's quite right. I have had a lot of trouble
with a second SCSI diskdrive which used to be the first one.
If you're lucky, vines will make 2 filesystems on the second drive:
i.e. /disk2 and /disk3 just like it used to do on the first one (/disk0 and
/disk1)
If you're unlucky Vines won't even do that en will refuse to initialize the
second disk drive.
Those two file systems differ greatly in size (/disk2 is rather small), which
isn't very neat. Besides that: I thougt is was rather weard and decided not
to leave it that way. Low level formatting seems to be the best solution.

Marcel Hoornweg
Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam

Internet: Hoornweg@facb.fhk.eur.nl
Voice   : (31)10-4082508
Snail   : P.O. Box 1738 3000 DR Rotterdam Holland
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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:38:59 EDT
From:         Shawn Farrell <INSF@MCGILLB.BITNET>
Subject:      OS/2 2.0 DOS Windows

I have the LA OS/2 2.0 drivers but have not got around to trying them
out yet.

What I was wondering is can my normal Banyan drivers work in a DOS
Window or DOS Full Screen session under OS/2 2.0.  I think this should
be possible but I am running into strange problems when I try it.

Any ideas or info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Shawn Farrell
Merck Frosst

insf@musicb.mcgill.ca
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:19:03 CDT
From:         John=Jabusch%ecd%USACERL@AARDVARK.CECER.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      new uploads to csus.edu

From:           Laura=Zuromsky%SupportServices%Banyan@hippo.banyan.com
> Ascii Index Files:
>
> HWIndex:  Listing of all HW Platforms currently supported, along with the
 last>
>           date the cert. note was updated, and file size...
>
> PRIndex:  Listing of all Press Releases, along with file size...
>
> Zip Files:
>
> All-HW.zip:  Zip-file containing all the HW Cert. Notes listed in the Index.
> All-PR.zip:  All Banyan Press Releases (alot of people seemed interested in
>              getting these....)
> MKTNOTES.zip:  The following Marketing Notices which have been approved for
> public distribution -
>          MN228:  VINES 5.00 Toolkit Announcment
>          MN230:  VINES for SCO Unix Announcement
>          MN242:  Banyan Directory - A Guide to Products & Services for
>                  VINES Networks (availability & ordering info for the guide)
>          MN243:  LAN Card Tested & Approved (yes, it's the Elite Cards!)
>          MN244:  PC/TCP Version 2.1 Upgrade Announcment
>

These files are all located in the /pub/banyan_info directory.

Thanks, Laura!
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:41:34 PDT
From:         Craig Armstrong <craiga@SPOCK.DIS.CCCD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Is it possible to use POP clients with BANYAN ?

>
> POP protocols permit decentralized mail readers to read mail from central
> mail servers.  The POP daemons and readers are available for MS/DOS, Mac and
> Unix to the best of my knowledge.
>
> The advantage is that a user need know only ONE mail interface to access
> mail from a variety of mail servers.
>
John, according to Sparre you're a UNIX guru so I'll tread lightly! The
idea of one mail interface is utopian (fancy word, heh?) in nature and I
think everyone here whould love an implementation of such. Now, what I've
heard about POP in the past few days makes me think it's great... but
as we all know, Banyan will never support anything that makes $ense.
BUUUTTTT..... on one side of the chicken ass we do have SMTP. Yes, it
sucks in many ways, but most (all?) UNIX platforms support it and it does
work with Banyan ( kinda.)
.
> I wanted it specifically because I prefer to use mail on my Sun systems
> rather than thru VINES, particularly if I am out of the office.  I can
> telnet to my Sun and read my mail, if I desire, from anywhere on the Internet
> or through a VT100 dialed into a terminal server.  My Banyan mail is
> inaccessable in this manner.  If IMS supported a POP access method, I
> could read my mail via Shark-mail or MH or Elm or Pine ...
>

Banyan has an SMTP service. Since it is a service, that means you can drop
another 3rd party service in to translate mail to any protocol you like.
If POP is the way, it is quite possible to do it with a service. It has
nothing to do with IMS supporting the protocol, but by implementing a
gateway to do the translation. I would think that Sparre is geting bored
by now with his WD card bashing (he's right though..), so maybe you can
assert his hyper-energy into coding a POP service!!! :-)

Oh yeah, is the NTP service working ok for you guys???

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> Supervisor, Network Operations			 scoggin@delmarva.com
> Delmarva Power & Light Co.		Voice:	 302-451-5200
> P.O. Box 6066				Fax:	 302-451-5321
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:13:44 EDT
From:         Matthew=E.=Galster%Comp1%ESD-TG@TERRA-VS1.HANSCOM.AF.MIL
Subject:      re: SMTP and time

If I send an SMTP email from one server to another it winds
up two hours behind...  I think each node subtracts an hour.

MEG
Matt%Comp1%ESD-TG@Terra-VS1.hanscom.af.mil
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:35:58 PDT
From:         TJE2%CE%SFNPG@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
Subject:      re: Disk 1 replacement

Josef,

If you don't reformat /disk2 the system will recognize it but will think
it's partially full because you'll have duplicated the /disk1/banyan data
structure on disks 1 and 2.  There is no convenient way for a sysadmin to
fix this.

When you do a format, it puts a software device ID on the drive.  You can
get the system to think device 0/2 is disk3 and 0/3 is disk2, for example.

It's best to reformat... you can verify the bad block table while you are
at it.  (And it STILL takes less time than the COMPSURF our N-friends have
to do!)

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Tom Elliott                      |_  __| | _  |    "Objects in Mirror Are
PG&E Nuclear Power Generation      | | | | _|-|     Closer Than They Appear"
TJE2@NPG.PGE.COM                   |_|___|____|      (415) 973-2804
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.banyan-l
Subject: Re: RAID Systems for VINES
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:08:18 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

Regarding John Scoggin's request for information on RAID systems for
VINES, Storage Computer of Nashua, N.H. will be showing its new high
performance RAID 7 disk array platforms at the September Banyan Users
Meeting.

Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and
overcomes performance limitations of earlier RAID architectures, providing
a  "real world sustained application performance improvement of 200% to
400%" and dropping the cost of storage to 16 cents/MB.  Their brochures
say they can "mix and match" up to 48 SCSI commodity (3.5 or 5.25 inch)
drives, up to 150 GB.  The RAID 7 disk array platforms come with an embedded
operating system and up to 12 SCSI-2 based host interfaces.  Besides servers,
Storage Computer's RAID 7 disk array platforms can connect to workstations,
midrange systems, and mainframes.  Multiple CPUs can be attached to the same
disk array platform.

The RAID 7 platforms come with up to 256 MB of cache, eliminating any
reason for using performance-damaging CPU main memory disk RAM.

The drives are "hot plugable" for uninterrupted, transparent operation,
with a hot standby drive automatically replacing a failed drive.

(I haven't yet seen these RAID 7 disk array platforms in operation myself,
but expect to visit the Storage Computer booth at BUI.)

For further information prior to the Banyan User Meeting, the contact is
indicated to be John O'Brien, Director of Technical Services, at
Tel. 603-880-3005 or FAX 603-889-7232.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
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From: scoggin@opus.ee.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to use POP clients with BANYAN ?
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company, Newark
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:25:11 GMT

In article <0096075D.2B8FDD80.4347@umuc.umd.edu> "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU> writes:
>In what important ways does it differ from SMTP or even Banyan mail.  What are
>its good features?
>

POP protocols permit decentralized mail readers to read mail from central
mail servers.  The POP daemons and readers are available for MS/DOS, Mac and
Unix to the best of my knowledge.

The advantage is that a user need know only ONE mail interface to access
mail from a variety of mail servers.  

I wanted it specifically because I prefer to use mail on my Sun systems
rather than thru VINES, particularly if I am out of the office.  I can
telnet to my Sun and read my mail, if I desire, from anywhere on the Internet
or through a VT100 dialed into a terminal server.  My Banyan mail is 
inaccessable in this manner.  If IMS supported a POP access method, I
could read my mail via Shark-mail or MH or Elm or Pine ... 

	- John

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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:28:19 AES
From:         Ian=Brabham%CC%Monash@BANYAN.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: update vines/386 4.0 to 5.0

Sven Bleschke,

>I have a little problem. I have Vines/386 Unlimited 4.0 and I want a upgrade
>to 5.0. The problem is that I want the 5.0 version running on a 486.  Does
>anybody know how to upgrade from a 386 to 486?

Rev 5.0 Vines unlimited doesn't care whether you have a 386 or a 486 platform.

If you are going to a new box with a new disk just boot up the install disks
and prepare the new disk for Vines use and load your most recent backup.

If you are moving the old disk into a new 486 box you have 2 choices.

1) Reformat (soft) the disk and load the backup as per new disk/new box
   above.  This will give you a new S10 (32 bit inode) disk structure.
   You have to rely totally on your backup media for your valuable data.

2) Do a simple 5.0 upgrade while running on the 386 processor and then swap
   the disk to the new 486 box.  This will leave you with a S5 (16 bit inode)
   disk structure, but minimise the risk of relying on your backup media for
   your valuable data.

Ian Brabham                 email: ian@banyan.cc.monash.edu.au
Micro Support Group         phone: +61 3 565 4742
Monash University           fax:   +61 3 565 4746
Melbourne Australia
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:42:20 WET
From:         Boelen%FaB%WMW@CIVP.UTWENTE.NL
Subject:      70 % slack !!!

I have the following problem:

I installed a new 1.2 Gb diskdrive, before I had a 600 Mb drive. Slack
(number of clusters * clustersize / actual file size) was 18% (1.18) on the
old drive but it is between 50 and 70 % now!! The reason for this is the
clustersize on the new harddisk (16384 bytes). Clustersize was 8192 bytes on
the old drive. The result of this is that the harddisk capacity is not used for
about 60%, a pretty large waste of resources.
my questions:

Is it possible to get 8k, or maybe even 4k, clusters with a 1.2 Gb drive?
If not is it possible under future vines versions, I am now running 4.11(5).

I heard that 5.11, or whatever the name is going to be, uses a new UNIX version
that might solve my problem?

I am all ears for solutions, workarounds etc.

Greetings

Lars Boelen
System administrator department WMW
University Twente
The Netherlands
Boelen%FAB%WMW@civp.UTwente.NL

Afterthought: Bigger is not always better................
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:08:03 EST
From:         Patrick=Smoker%Admin%Ag@ADMIN.AGAD.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:      re: Banyan Mail

>Just wondering is there a Banyan mail program out there that allows you
>to basic things like "quote" on answering mail.  I'm used to using ELM
>in unix, where quoting is simple - it appears that in Banyan mail it
>isn't even an option?
>
>Do most people use third party mail programs? or just live with its
>deficiencies?


We use LANShark's Shark!Mail v1.0d interface on top of VINES Intelligent
Messaging System.  While quoting is not it the product now, it is
promised in the next version.  Currently we copy and paste, then add the
">" manually to simulate quoting.  The interface is the best I've seen
for Windows.  The DOS equivalent will also be included in the next
version.

LANShark Systems
6502 East Main Street
Reynoldsburg OH   43068
(614)866-5553

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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:13:44 PDT
From:         HLP1%ItsLsc%CTS@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
Subject:      re: starting appletalk

Rebuilding the device drivers and rebooting will definitely resolve the
problem trying to start AppleTalk described below.

Herb Patten
Pacific Gas & Electric
hlp1@cs.pge.com

>folks...

>when starting appletalk , after configuring the ports and zones, I got he
>error message
>  SNMP7222:failed to configure, check logfile...
>
>the logfile contains some like these :
>
>
>09:48:22 [1] Re-Configuring ATALK ports...
>09:48:22 [256] katpport: Error setting up port=2 ifcname=ne errno=164
>09:48:22 [256] katpentry: Error 7222 adding ATALK port 2
>09:48:22 [256] kcfgatp: Error 7222 from katpentry.
>09:48:22 [1] Done loading 0 ATALK port entries
>09:48:22 [1] Re-Configuring ATALK routes...
>09:48:22 [1] Done loading 0 ATALK route entries
>09:48:22 [1] ATKSETPARAM: Setting state=1 phase=2 rt=2
>09:48:22 [256] katpparam: Error setting state=1 phase=2 errno=165
>09:48:22 [256] ATKSETPARAM: Error 7222 from katpparam

>of course I would say...I'd never thought about it...

>any ideas about those chinese statements.....
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:40:49 EDT
From:         Michael=L.=Linnenburger%YWGM%YW@ASD-YT.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Subject:      re:Disk 1 replacement

My understanding of disk drives is that if you don't replace the controller, you
should not have to reformat, an already VINES formated drive should work.

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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:41:25 AUS
From:         Brian=Tehan%CC.staff%Swinburne@BUSTER.CC.SWIN.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: Usenet news

	To get a news feed directly to a PC you can use the shareware
'Trumpet' newsreader developed at the University of Tasmania but widely
available on the Internet. There is now a 'shim' version which will work with
the PC/TCP software or you can use the Trumpet TCP/IP stack with a packet
driver (this would not be as usefull).
	Alternatively you can upgrade to PC/TCP 2.1 which includes NNTP, I
believe, although I have not seen it yet. The interface is probably more basic
than the Trumpet one.
	In both cases you will need a news host to get the news from. If you
have a news host you can Telnet to it but the Trumpet interface is far nicer
than 'NN', for example.


Brian Tehan			Email: brian@banyan.swin.edu.au
Data Communications
Swinburne University of Technology
Melbourne, Australia
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:18:22 PDT
From:         Stephane=Bourque%Eng%Incognito@DEAN.ARTS.SFU.CA
Subject:      re: PC-Dial in and X.25

Hi Doug:

	Yes you can use PCDIALIN to dial into a server over an X.25
	line.

	You need X.25 Server-Server and the X.29 option.  You can use
	the same X.25 line to access other servers and allow PCs to dialin
	at the same time.  You just need to add one more SVC per PC
	logged in at the same time.  Remember that Vines takes the first
	2 for S-S traffic and one additional per server you attach to.  To
	that number, add the number of PCs you want to have dialing in at
	the same time and you will get the right number of SVCs needed.
	Be careful, the X.25 internals have been rewritten in 5.0 to
	allow more SVCs per line (twice what you had in 4.x I believe).
	But you cannot use X.25 dialin on a 5.0 server (sigh!).

	You also need to be careful on the way you want these PCs to attach		to your
 network.

	1- If you want your PCs to attach to your net through a Public
	   data network (in Canada: Unitel, Datapac, NTelPac, etc...),
	   the network MUST accept the charges, meaning that on DATAPAC,
	   for example, you need to enter your NUI (Network User Identifier)
	   before you can connect.

	2- The PC Dial in script needs some major reworking.  Look at the
	   additional login scripts (.SCT files) provided in 4.11.  I am
	   sure they will inspire you to write your own.

	3- There are a number of options that must be set on the PAD (or
	   DATA Network) your are calling in.  For example:  on DATAPAC
	   you need to set the proper parameters so that you have 8-bit
	   transfers, no echo, no PAD messages, etc...  The most important
	   is the timeout on outgoing packet (how long the PAD should
	   wait before it considers that what it has received should be
	   sent to the host/server...Param 3 or 4 on datapac).

	I have played extensively with the option and can say that it is
	really good.  Of course, it suffers from all the deficiency that
	PC-Dialin suffers, mainly performance.  The key to it all is the
	login script!


	Have fun.

	P.S. Anyone from CN going to ABUI ?


        Stephane Bourque
        Incognito Software
        Tel:(604)669-7575
        Fax:(604)669-7576
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