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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:41:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.201223.6732@sunova.ssc.gov> jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron) writes:
>It's just how people work, huh?  You've been pretty active 
>on the racism front lately, so tell me, John, when white 
>people hang around and resent black people from intruding 
>on *their* turf, is that also just how people work?

This newsgroup does tend to operate in a that-which-does-
not-kill-me-makes-me-stronger mode to a large extent, but
I don't believe the repeated assertions of anti-newbieism.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm always glad to
see new people join the fray.  What I personally don't
like is stupidity, or sexism, or racism, or the assumption
that lesbians don't exist, or complaints about faggy fags
and dykey dykes.  What we're talking about is individual
behavior, not exclusion on the basis of class membership.

I remember JD's frankly idiotic comments on his women's
studies class.  He didn't get trashed for being a newbie 
and he didn't get trashed for not understanding what
he was being taught in the class.  He got trashed for
ridiculing it, for not being receptive or open to
experiences outside his own.  Similarly, Boob didn't
get trashed for being a newbie, or even for not liking
effeminate men.  He got trashed for being, in essence,
embarrassed by effeminate men, which is a very different
question from that of personal tastes.

I might also note that for the most part we tend to write
about what we think rather than who we are.  I'm certainly
not about to write about the day-to-day aspects of my life
or personal matters to 79,900 strangers;  the 100 or so
of you that I know I can exchange email with.  Others
here tend to do the same, so it's hardly surprising that
it gets contentious.  

Whether or not new posters are more likely to make
offensive comments or commit netiquette transgressions
is left as an exercise [insert wild handwaving here ... ]
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I'll get the hang of this yet...
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:23:12 GMT
Organization: -

In article <1992Oct5.175600.25650@macc.wisc.edu>, 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <BvnKCr.79B@cs.dal.ca> williams@ug.cs.dal.ca
> (Nevin E.  Williams) writes:
> 
> [no message body]
> 
> Keep practicing! :-)
> 
> -- 
> Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
> Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
> NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
> Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888

Jess, you are probably the only person that could post a 13 line followup 
to a post that originally consisted of zero lines!

Jim
From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:23:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Oct8.162331.29864
Reply-To: schiles@us.oracle.com
Organization: Office Automation Division
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <36444@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
|>If you are going to spend $2000 on a suit, why not find a tailor
|>and get one made perfectly and exactly to your specifications with
|>all the material and lining exactly as you want?
|>
|>no criticism here, just curiosity...
|>

Good question.  Maybe because it doesn't have that all-important
designer label?


|>Laura
|>.
|>
|>
|>
|>-- 
|>    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
|>    four times.
|>
|>    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)
|>
|>Laura Creighton 
|>toad@toad.com
|>hoptoad!laura
                    
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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Queer Students in Connecticutt try to bar military recruiters
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:23:51 -0400
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The New York Times is reporting on page B7 today [Wed 10/7] that Queer law
students at the University of Connecticutt are using the state's gay rights
law to try to bar military recruiters banned from UConn's campus.

Anyone know more about this?

It looks like it might work. The judge in the case asked Navy recruiters to
postpone visits until she rules on the case next week.


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According to the Village Voice, the Bush Family is immediately responsible for
losses to the U.S. taxpayer amounting to 2.2 BILLION DOLLARS.
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Results of Sexual Orientation---Handedness Surveys!
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:05:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>I don't know about left versus right handers, but there is a similar
>>propensity in the gay community.  Gay men, in my experience, have an
>>unnatural propensity to be unable to tell their left from their right.
>>Just ask one for directions :- )

Yup.  And you you should see the confusion when you put us on stage, whith
Stage left, stage right, house left, and house right.

"HUH?" is my usual response to stage direction.  Frustrates my directors.

:)
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:17:35 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <thaaang.718862926@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes:

>It's more honest, but it destroys
>opportunities for iconicizing and makes it harder to keep a carreer
>going untainted.

But my dear John Jeffarnesonmeyerph!  *Purity* is not
required!  (Girlfriend, we'de be *lost*!) Why, I think it
would do the world a world of good to have a Slut icon, and
if you'd just let yourself go a *little* further, in another
50 years it could be *you*.  I promise to light a candle On
High.

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:28:59 GMT

> cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell) writes:

>I recognize that many inequities and wrongs still exist and it
>is difficult to separate the threads of present oppression from
>former opression. And depending upon which part of the world you
>are currently observing, one may argue that conditions have not
>improved at all.
> 
>If I may restate my original (somewhat sarcastic) comment, I would
>ask whether we should always hold against a former oppressor, as
>a class group, for what once was done after that wrong has been
>righted, particularly when the individuals which comprise the
>class identified as the former oppressor are not now the same
>individuals that were originally responsible?

In one paragraph you recognize that "many inequities and wrongs
still exist" and that there is "present oppression."  In the
second, you talk about "former oppressor[s]" and about a wrong
having been righted.  So which is it?  And who are the present
oppressors?  Do these inequities and wrongs continue without
human agency?  Just because you and the other white people you
know don't actively persecute people of color, do you really
believe that you're not accomplices in the system that does?
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:25:16 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <5448@rosie.NeXT.COM>, ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae) wrote:

[list of delicious muffins nixed for emotional distress]

Edward Furlong (sp?) - the little lad in that flick with Arnie a year
or two ago - now *he's* going to grow into quite something, I do
believe.  Oh, do I ever...

Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:50:17 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Damn!  There I was, floating off on images of connubial
>bliss, whan all at once I realize it can't be mine.  We
>don't have bluebirds in town.  They like open flat fields
>on all sides, like along fence rows.  Would a cardinal do?
>We have lots of those and you can *think* bluebirds, maybe.

I could go colorblind. But can you *BELCH* and <scratch>
effectively? *That's* the deciding factor.

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:59:53 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Thanks a lot Eamonn.  From now on I'll have these wonderfully cute
nicknames of "lazy rebel lard", "breezy lard all" and "zebra yell lard".

Thanks a lot.  Thanks a hell of a lot. . .

(Now, where did I put those business card order forms...?)

bz
-- 
Brad "fuzzy" Zaller     ---      I love my country;
apple computer, inc.      ---    I fear my government.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Statistics
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 22:58:21 GMT


In article <67491@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com
(Frank - Swilling) writes:

>Is the net sputtering lately, or is it just me?  I just saw Jack
>Hamilton's response to a "favorite restaurants" article by someone
>(Bill Hsu?), but never saw the original article, and locate it online.

I think you're having a local problem.

>Also, I never saw the readership statistics for soc.motss in September.
>Can't locate them, either.  Were they posted?

Jimmy Aitken is world-hopping on biz at the moment.  He
announced that the last one was the last one.

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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: 100 years of homosexuality
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:28:23 GMT


A book review of a Walt Whitman biography in the NYT reports the word
"homosexuality" was added to the English language 100 years ago this year.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: marcuss@microsoft.com (Marcus Stringer)
Subject: Searching...
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:13:41 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Seventh-day Adventist

This is not a personals ad, really!

Are there any Seventh-day Adventist lesbigay folk out there?

I'm looking to communicate w/ people in other places who
can let me know what the climate is in their area 
re: The Church vs. Right-wing fundamentalist groups like
the OCA.

Thanks for any information you email to ME.

Marcus(in Washington state)

i
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jiS
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:24:38 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>> >Who's Janis Joplin?
>> 
>> The character Bette Midler played in "The Rose".

>Who's Bette Midler?

That brassy, ballsy broad from 'Beaches'!!!

John, boggling that that tired woman's carreer started in bathhouses

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jls2@teal.csn.org (Jeff Stoner)
Subject: Interops
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:53:25 GMT

Is anyone else going to be going to the Interops conference in
San Francisco the week of the 26th of October?

I will be in the Bay Area from Saturday morning the 24th through
Friday evening the 30th. While the weekdays will be consumed with
preparing and doing my company's display in the trade show portion,
I will be playing tourist the weekend before...

(1) Is there any sort of MOTSS thing already scheduled for that time
period?

(2) Is any sort of get-together planned during Interops?

Let me know...

P.S. to Boston and Minneapolis: I'm going to be in Boston the 1st week
of November and in Minneapolis for the Supercomputing '92 show
the 3rd week of November, then at the in-law's in San Antonio
for Thanksgiving. Would love to get contacts for MSP and SAT...

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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:37:34 GMT

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>
>I've been trying to think of anyone who is a regular poster
>who hasn't been blasted in a major way at some point in the
>past, and I've come up empty.  Is there, in fact, such a
>person?

Speaking as a new (regular?) poster, I am pleased to say I haven't had
any hair singed (yet).

When I, prior to de-muffining, announced to some other muffin-friends
that I was going to [drum-roll] post [cymbal-crash], I was told to 
write it down, wait a day or two, read it again and edit out anything
that might be even remotely offensive to anyone (breathing or not), then
wait until the next day before posting; lest I be roasted for dinner.

I didn't follow that advice, but I managed to debut without having to
don an asbestos suit.  Of course, one day I'll probably bungle a keystroke
and really piss somebody off...

-jeff [who's having second thoughts about posting this follow-up lest
anyone misunderstand my meaning.]
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:47:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct16.061858.14825@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
wrote:

[stuff]

> -- 
> Steve Dyer
> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Hah!  Harvard is in the path your note took to get here!  You! are
by definition an intellectual!  Thinking unproductive slime!

Melmothra, ACC
(any fungus-covered institutions of ponderous age which may happen
to appear in *my* path are purely the result of an intellectual
conspiracy, and bear no relevant testimony to my own personal 
inclinations - and by the way, after careful study of the available
pictorial evidence, I must conclude that Luke Perry looks better
from more angles than does Jason Priestly, who is really best
captured in profile, slightly above and behind the right ear, and
perhaps two or three feet away...)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Marc V Conte <mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Am I Going Crazy?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:48:36 GMT

	Les Wexner, owner of The Limited and outed by Larry Kramer at Vito
Russo's funeral, last month announced his engagement to a female lawyer from
New York.  The TV news anchors announced this with a smirk but never
questioned it.

	Tomorrow night, Les hosts a cocktail fundraiser for George Bush. 
Les, who is known for donating money AIDS organizations, is raising money for
Bush, who--well, you know his AIDS record.

	What's wrong with this picture?


	Marc

  Marc Conte at The OSU---SCARLET AND GrAY
       mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:26:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.193320.1708@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct11.174227.15971@gordian.com>
>mike@gordian.com (Michael A.  Thomas) writes:
>
>>This reminds me of this german word I heard (and can't remember :-()
>>which translated to "the glee that a person takes in another's misfortune".
>
>Schadenfreude, I believe.

I'll remember that word to describe the wonderful feeling I'll have when
Bush goes down in flames, and Jesse Helms gets run over by a fish truck.

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Inter-Racial Homosexual Relationships on DONAHUE [Tuesday?]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:07:10 GMT


My roomate and his boyfriend are taping an episode of DONAHUE on Tuesday on
homosexual interracial relationships. They are both on the net [Jason is my
roomate; <anderj2@rpi.edu> and Derrick is at vassar <romickle@vassar.edu>]
and will probably post an account of their exploits with national tabloid 
television sometime later this week.

The show is focussing on racism in the homosexual community directed at 
inter-racial couples. It's not clear if Derrick and Jason will be on the stage
or just featured in the audience.

Just wanted to let people know that this episode was coming so that they could
set their vcr's! Note that Donahue comes on at different times in different
areas and markets, so check your TV Guide

Oh, and before you ask, yes, Dean and I also talked to the producers. In fact,
the whole thing started with Dean and I going to a Black and White Men Together
meeting in LA over the summer and finding out about DONAHUE's plans to do the
show and then passing the info along to Derrick and Jason. The Executive
Producer didn't invite us because Dean and I haven't experienced blatant racism
[or homophobia, for that matter, really] though I insist that we would have 
been more telegenic! :-) :-)
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in a "Bush The Blamer" administration can speak with moral authority about
abandoned moral values and assuming personal responsibility.''--Jesse Jackson
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:11:23 GMT

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>  Well, I think that JD is just before my time. Evidentally I missed
>some fireworks. It's just seems hard to believe that sweet young 
>thaang would be roasted on an open spit. As for someone being to out
>in  public, this seems hard to believe coming from JD's mouth.

I thought it was her outness that annoyed me, but it was more her
general gooberosity, once I thought about it.

>  What a differnce a year makes, 365 little days...

Don't say that! It scares me.

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:38:39 GMT


I have spoken my feelings about your response to Donald in the 
beginning. Now I must say that your follow-up comments had a 
different tone, a much better tone. I know that you don't give
a damn about how I feel about you, but I want you to know that I
can give credit where it is due as well as the opposite.

My reply to you was only in expressing my dislike for the tone of
your response.

Anyway, if you are so interested in my age, I am 39 years old and
a single parent of a nine year old girl. Today, October 13, is her
birthday.

Tomorrow, I may be sorry I attacked you in the way I did (I have two
molars, one on each side, that are killing me. I have a dental
appointment tomorrow). Maybe I will look back at the thread and see
just how much pain I dumped on you. Maybe I will still think that I
was justified in getting on your case. I don't know.

I think that I was just as annoyed by Donald's post as everybody else,
but I did not think that he deserved the shit he got from you.



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Voice: 919-763-4115           |  AND DOGGONE IT, PEOPLE LIKE ME!
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Would someone repost the "questions for heterosexuals?"
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:35:51 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

In article <ldr9v7INNhpo@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>25 questions for your heterosexual friends  - posted without permission
>originally by Martin Rochin, Ph.D.

The trouble with this is that the people who see it are often
humour-impaired jerks who think you mean it.  We distributed one *with*
a sentence at the bottom saying "these are stupid questions, right?  So
don't ask us similar ones." and people *still* didn't get it.
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