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From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Advertising fee and holdback for Probe
Date: 29 Dec 1992 01:13:03 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu
Keywords: probe

i just have a side question here.... what about those brochures that 
one gets from car dealers?  are those bought by the dealer or freely
provided by the parent company.

case in point.  i was at campbell ford in anaheim (or was it stanton?)
in Southern California.  i walked into the dealership trying to get a 
brochure for the probe. (i'm hoping that i would be able to get one 
this coming summer.)  their response was that they didn't have any in 
stock and do not have any on order.  of course, i wasn't exactly 
dressed like i was going to buy a car there and then so i can understand 
their unwillingness to provide me with one.  but i'm curious as to who 
pays for those brochures.


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From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car Phones
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:46:31 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: ralf@iqsc.COM's message of 23 Dec 92 21:01:23 GMT


>off for traffic, they'll understand.  Dialing a car phone is no more distracting
>then changing a tape or station on your stereo. It takes a responsible person t

Gee, I can change the stations and adjust the volume up or down on my
stereo without *ever* having my hands leave the steering wheel.

-Carl-
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From: MIZUTANT@fred.wharton.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: toyota trucks
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:27:36 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <8055@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, bernardr@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Bernard
J Rate) wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone have experience of the new Toyota full-size truck? I am curious to know what engine they used and if its any good for towing serious loads.

It's called the T100, and it's not really a full-size.
More like a mid-size, about the size of a Dodge Dakota, but I think it can
hold the typical 4'x8' sheet of plywood that all truck manufacturers talk
about.

I think it comes in a long-bed and a standard bed, and 4x2 and 4x4
versions.
It uses a 150 HP 3.0L V-6, like the smaller truck and the Four Runner. It
does not come in an extended cab version (yet).

Depending upon what you plan to tow, this may not be enough.

Taka Mizutani
MIZUTANT@fred.wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pacyga@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Pacyga)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:46:51 GMT

In article <BzoIy2.F4n@newsflash.concordia.ca> smw@trm.concordia.ca ( Steven Winikoff ) writes:
>Actually, that's easy.  The fundamental difference is that passengers
>(at least those who aren't too young/blind/stupid to be aware of
>anything going on around them) can see what's happening on the road.
>
>A passenger knows that you may not be able to respond immediately during
>any situation that demands your full attention.  The person on the other
>end of the phone, on the other hand, doesn't know that you're merging
>into heavy traffic, trying to make a left turn against heavy oncoming
>traffic, or whatever.
>
>There is a difference.
>
Have you ever heard of the phrase "Hold on a second..." or something
similar?  What's the difference between merging into a freeway and
talking on the phone and having the doorbell to your house ring while
you are on the phone.  Seems to me that you would ask the caller to
hold on for a minute while you answered the door.  Same thing goes
for a high stress traffic situation.  If for some reason the person
at the other end of the line has an IQ of about 5 and keeps talking, you
can simply ask him to repeat himself. 

Jim Pacyga
pacyga@rtsg.mot.com

My opinion even if it doesn't seem like it...
From: vat10@diag.amdahl.com (Victor A. Tirva)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:30:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Cupertino, CA

In article <mills.725056973@dialup.athena.lkg.dec.com>, mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills) writes:
> dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
> 
> >Come on!  The brakes on _most_ cars will keep a car from moving under full
> >throttle.  The only way people unintentionally accelerated was to hit the
> >gas by mistake, instead of the brake.  Try it sometime.  Push down on the
> >brake and try to move the car by hitting the gas; you aren't going to 
> >go anywhere (unless the engine can mysteriously start generating 1000 hp
> >and 1000 lb-ft of torque).
> 
> Ever try stopping a car with power brakes and no vacuum !!!
> Ever hear of a thing called a leak?
> Ever hear of high idle at start up?
> 
> If some American company wanted to attack a foreign competor they would
> not of picked on AUDI. They are not that popular. They would of went after
> a Japaneese company.
> 

It was not American companies which were attacking Audi.  It was a couple of
people and their enterprising lawyers.  The media jumped in because it was
such an exciting concept.  Similar allegations about Fords GMs and Hondas had
been made before but had not generated an exciting 60 Minutes news story.
Pretty soon everybody who wrapped their Audi around a tree could easily blame
the car rather than look like a bonehead.

> >The media.  This is the same media that perpetuated the gulf war _story_ about
> >the Iraqis stealing the incubators and leaving the babies to die.  It was 
> >later determined that the story was a hoax, planned by lobbyists who had
> >much to gain if the war continued.
> 
> Hey I bought an AUDI just after this whole thing happened. It didn't scare
> me away. Any car can have a problem. AUDI just did not handle the problem
> well at all. They INSULTED American drivers by telling that they have
> FAT feet. American drivers returned the favor by making AUDI even less
> popular in the U.S.

You beleived the stories but bought one anyway?  They insulted you but you 
bought one anyway?

> 
> I could understand if it was someone driving the car out of the show room.
> But these folks had been driving the cars for a while. A car becomes a
> natural extension of the body very quickly. Why, all of a suden, would this
> extension break?
> 

Feet are an extension of the body.  Why, all of a sudden, after years of walking
down stairs successfully, do people suddenly tumble down and break a leg?
Defective stairs? Not watching where they are going?

> I just rented a Bobcat for the first time a few months back. Never drove

[ exciting tale of Bobcat rental deleted ]
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili)
Subject: Range Rovers using GM Parts
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 05:28:45 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Is it true that early Range Rovers used some GM parts including a
GM (Buick) 8 cylinder engine?  

Is it still true today?  I'd appreciate any info about this.

Thanks in advance!

-Payman
From: palm@admin.kth.se (Christer Palm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes makes stopping SAFER?
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:16:05 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden

In article <1992Dec28.162405.24087@ncar.ucar.edu> cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu) writes:
>In article <1haiiaINNanq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Lackey III) writes:
>> 
>>    One last question:  Are all ABS systems designed to monitor 
>> all four wheels on the car, or are some only active in front?
>> 
>Can't help you out there, but I *think* that the latter is may be the case.
>

All ABS systems monitor all wheels or the vehicle. 

/Christer
-- 
"Destiny makes relatives, selection makes friends."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rajagopa@sdf.lonestar.org (Hari Rajagopal)
Subject: Help/advice on starting prob(1980 Volvo)
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:08:26 GMT

 

Hi ,
	I have a strange problem with my 1980 Volvo DL, The sequence
of events is as follows:

	Over a few weeks I have noticed the dash lights flicker at
	random, intermittently and then disappear, this I attributed
	to loose wiring harness etc:-

	Three days ago it was wet and cold (Dallas) and the car got a 
	soaking to the bone!! Then the problems started:-

	The engine cut out after driving 2 mi in the morning and had to
	be jump started. However it just needed a touch from the jumper
	cables to start (1 second or so). 

	I drove 20 mi to school and parked. All well in the evening when
	I started and THEN suddenly the engine died after 1-2 mi.

	Again jumped but then the following has been reccurring:
		a)	needs just a touch of the cable clips to start
		b)	Dies as soon (30 sec) of jumper removal
	I also had the battery recharged and the engine started on the
	first turn and drove beautifully for 20 mi. Then I parked it
	overnight. Morning (cold) started fine drove 2 mi then same
	problems started again. Since then I have just kept it garaged.

Any advice, ???
	My guess is there is something wrong with the earthing , or maybe 
	the alternator is not taking over when the engine starts, but the
	drivebelt seems fine (havent checked alternator o/p yet) can
	someone give me some pointers??
			Thanks in advance.

						Hari Rajagopal//

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Carr-C10973@email.comm.mot.com (Eric Carr)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Motorola LMPS Engineering
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:20:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos

(...lengthy string on pro's and con's of cellular phones deleted)

I think we can all express either pro's or con's on cellular phones
depending on how the individual user "drives" while using them.    

I personally don't think it's a good idea to use a cellular phone while the
car is in motion.  This is because for every sensible driver who can use
one with no problem, there is another person who shouldn't even have a
license to drive who is all over the road while normally driving - let
alone while using a cellular phone.  Unless someone comes up for a cure for
these people who suffer from cranial-rectal inversion while operating a
car/cellular phone, these people do tend to ruin it for the sensible users
as now it is assumed that no one can operate a car and carphone at the same
time.

Now, for some good ol' ranting and raving....

There should be a law against these idiots who insist on putting on makeup
while driving.  I can't believe that these people feel they can drive a car
while looking at themselves in the rearview mirror and concentrate on
putting all this stuff on their face while negotiating rush hour traffic! 
(and they wonder why people are honking their horns and flipping them off).
 Get your asses out of bed 15 minutes earlier, jerk, and get dressed before
you leave.


We now return to our regularly scheduled program....get with it.
From: crash@hal.COM (Chris Craddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Brakes make stopping SAFER?
Keywords: ABS
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:10:11 GMT
Organization: HAL Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sydney.hal.com

In article <1992Dec31.121947.22152@nosc.mil>, Walt K writes:
|> In article <lk49akINN2h4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
|> >This info is probably worth what I paid for it.  :-)  Perhaps this is
|> >the "rear brake proportioning valve" that Chris Craddock mentions?
|> >What company makes TEVES?  BOSCH is presumably made by the W. German
|> >company that also makes fuel injectors.
|> 
|> most likely, but it's time Chris looked at some up-dated material, it's most
|> annoying to see information that is half-a-decade old still being spewed as
|> gospel...
|> 
|> ATE *is* Teves (Alfred Teves E????)...  yes, Bosch is Robert Bosch, of Germany
|> (no more West Germany...).
|> 
|> Walt K.

Ah, excuse me Walt, but I was discussing the Bosch and Teves ABS 
systems. My information IS current - and correct! In passing I
mentioned that most "rear wheel ABS" systems aren't really ABS
systems at all. They simply sense reduced load on the back axle
and divert pressure away from the rear brakes. Its a fact, and
for the most part it still *is* current.

Secondly - yes, you're right. There are systems which "pulse" the
back brakes only. My original assertion was that simply pulsing the
brakes is barely any use at all. The Bosch and Teves systems have
all their extra sensors for precisely this reason. Thats also true!

Now which particular gospel were you particularly upset about?

Chris
--
"sometimes I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists
elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us"
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From: maral@repare.EBay.Sun.COM (Mark Maral)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: CJ seats
Date: 24 Dec 1992 20:15:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: maral@repare.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: repare.ebay.sun.com

Does anyone know what year of Jeep front seats are compatable with
an 83 CJ 7?  I have one original seat and one after market
seat (which I hate) and would like to get another original
front seat.  If anyone has one they would be willing to part
with let me know.

Thanks


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Re: CAMRY V6 performance numbers
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:00:16 GMT

>>Here is my story.
>>I am looking for a solid car with some "sport sedan" characteristics.
>>
>>The requirements are:
>>1. Reliability (got to get to work every day)
>>2. 6 cyl
>>3. Comfort (good front seats)
>>4. Solid construction (assembly quality)
>>5. Price ( around $20.000)
>>
>>So far CAMRY LE V6 looks like the best value for the money.

How about the Pontiac Grand Prix STE.  
The STE is the loaded Grand Prix, ABS, 200 HP V6, Sport suspention. 
It sells for around $20,000 if you negociate a bit.

The handling is very precise, and the V6 with the 4 speed electronic
transmission provide for quick, but very smooth shifts.
A 5 speed standard is also availible.
The ride is firm, but is still quite smooth when travelling over bumps.
I personnaly find the Camry has too much of an isolated feel to it.

The STE is styled different than other 4 door Grand Prix, both on the 
inside and outside.  So don't get turned off by what you 
see in other Grand Prix.

If you want any more info, e-mail me.  I own an STE so I should be able 
to answer any questions.


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The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory  -  STM/AFM Lab
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada   ph. (204) 474-6007
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: Minh Lang <minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: CB Walkie-Talkie
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:41:21 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:39:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.031003.23366@news.columbia.edu> Edward E Walsh,
walsh@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu writes:
>I want to buy a 40 Channel CB Walkie-Talkie that could also be used in
>a car.  Can anyone give me recommendations on any brand/model and
features?
>Are there any mail-order outfits?  Radio Shack has this model TRC-222 on
sale
>for $70.  However, it only has 2.5 watt RF output.  Is this sufficient? 
>Has anyone heard of a brand called "Mid Land"?  Is it a reputable brand?
>Any info is greatly appreciated.
>
>Gower

The CB radio's range and power is never good enough to be useful.
The CB frequencies are around 11 meters (about 33 feet), and the
antenna is not long enough to be efficient. I would recommend a
ham radio (although you need a license from FCC, it's easy and
it's free). The smallest ham radio is the size of a pack of cigarette.
Repeaters are free to use everywhere and I was able to talk to my
friend in San Francisco when I was driving in Los Angeles. I can also
use my hand held ham radio to make phone calls from my car thru
the radio wave...

  = Minh ==
+------------------------------------------------------------+
 Minh Lang, Software Engineer  - Jet Propulsion Laboratory
 Instrumentation Systems Group - Instrumentation section 375
 Note:  My employer has nothing to do with what I said here...
+------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rdu@iastate.edu (Runqing Du)
Subject: MAZDA GLC 81 for sale in central iowa(body is ok)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:29:39 GMT

                      M A Z D A   for    S A L E

     Mazda, 81, GLC, 58K miles, AC, stereo, 4-speed (non automatic),

     blue hatchback, great MPG, mechanically sound, dependable car.

     Best offer over $800.

     Phone:515-296-8027     

     e-mail: rdu@iastate.edu (i live in Ames)
From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: impact is dead
X-Sender: newtout 0.03 Dec 29 1992
Date: 29 Dec 92  09:51:02

 russ@pmafire.inel.gov 
   (Russ Brown)sez:

 > There are a few problems with this approach:

   There are a few problems with your arguments:

> 1. The "scrubbed" pollution is converted from air pollution to water
> pollution.  Recovered particulates become solid waste.  The carbon
> dioxide is released to the atmosphere.  

   Having designed large scrubbers for power plants (as well as 
plating shops and sewage treatment plants) I can tell you that 
the chemicals scrubbed are not turned into water pollutants. The 
solids are settled out and do become waste but the liquid 
pollution is neutralised chemically, then allowed to be released 
to the sewer. 
   Where is the carbon dioxide (among other gasses) released to 
on an IC engine?  You last sentence implies that they aren't 
released to the atmosphere.

> 2. While the air at the point of use (or abuse, if you like) would be
> marginally better, the price would be paid in the region of power
> generation if hydrocarbon fuels (about 2/3ds of existing power) are
> used.  This is called externalizing the costs.  WRT CO2, the
> conversion, transmission, charging, and discharging losses make the EV
> a larger per-mile releaser than an IC vehicle; if vehicles of
> comparable performances were compared, the differences would be large.

   How do you figure? Since IC engines are, at best, 25% 
efficient, how could they compare to generating facilities that 
are about 90% eff and EVs that are more than 80% eff?

> The concept of the EV is typical of the shallow thinking that could
> damage the environment in the name of its protection...and it does
> need protection.  

   These arguments are typical of the shallow thinking of the 
fossil fuel reactionaries. The only good point about burning up 
fossil fuels is that someday we'll be out of them and we'll have 
to convert to more sane power sources.

> The list grows longer.

   Let's hear you arguments against the immediate conversion to 
renewable alcohol as an interim solution.





... Larry.Mc.Donald, N6ZMB, Fullerton, California!  <cough, cough>
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

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From: drparul@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (TRANSCEND  G O D)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: forsale ...84 feugo renault..2.2 ltr
Date: 3 Jan 93 07:16:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: intercep.1i7e23INNpo6
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu


 I have 84 fuego renault for sale

 details

 2.2 ltr four cylinder fuel injection
 2 door
 excellent shape
 85 k miles


asking $ 1400

shri j kotdawala
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim)
Subject: Suggestions to replace '82 Honda Civic Station wagon?
Keywords: Honda
Organization: NIH
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:04:46 GMT

I've had a 1982 Honda Civic Station Wagon for 10 years and have been 
generally pleased with it.  Advantages: cheap, easy to park, space in back 
for lugging all kinds of things, very reliable, good gas milage.  
Disadvantages: handling not great, no storage pockets except glove 
compartment, expensive to maintain on rare occassions when required.  Can 
anyone suggest a good car to buy now with similar characteristics and 
advantages:

	Small station wagon
	Front wheel drive (preferred)
	VERY RELIABLE
	Good gas milage
	Reasonable price

Plus, if possible:

	Some degree of crash-worthiness
	A bit better handling than Honda Civic
	Maybe some storage pockets?

I paid $7,300 for this Honda 10 years ago (no options except roof rack).  
Could anyone give a ballpark figure for a comparable replacement.  This is 
my first foray into thoughts of a new car.  -- David Scheim


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From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Question about a radar detector I own.
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:23:09 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



> I received a radar detector for Christmas, and it doesn't seem to be acting
> correctly and I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this type or
> if anyone knows anything about them.
> 
> The detector is a Fuzzbuster RD-311 Wide 3-Band radar detector.  The problem
> that I have with it is that it takes literally 20-30 MINUTES for the thing to
> get into detection mode and all of the time before that it just continually 
> beeps and makes a racket.
 
Take it back.  Something is wrong with it.
 

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
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