From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Taking Our Own Outing Initiatives: One Lesbian Perspective
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:40:37 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <5y4m_ck.phil@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
> In article <93381@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
#     #The following article appeared in _The Boston Reader_, August
#     #1992, reprinted without permission:
#     #
#     #When I finished explaining, she said, "You do that?" in a
#     #tone no different from the one a third-grader would use to
#     #say "grody." I fired back, "I'd rather do that than swallow
#     #cum." Ten years later we've both mellowed out and toned down,
#     #but I'm still the only gay person my sister knows (i.e. the
#     #only one who's told her to her face). Sound incredible? Not
#     #really.
# 
# Scary? Intensely repulsed? Please, don't flatter yourself Beaba!
# 
# When I was growing up, one of the "titillating" books my parents had was
# one of their graduate studies books in anthropology. This was a book published
# in the late 1940's on the American Indians.
# 
# The titillating parts were the commentaries on the sexual practices of
# various tribes. Two in particular stick out -- the Apache practice of anal
# rape on the (defeated) enemy (now I know why the troopers always saved
# a bullet for themselves :-) ), and the truly wondrous practice of the

The practice was apparently based on a belief that the Indians would
engage in ritual torture of the defeated enemy.  While this was
certainly the practice among the Eastern Woodland Indians of various
tribes, it doesn't appear to have been the case elsewhere.  I have
read that the Mandan Indians of the Northern Plains would take advantage
of the sphincter muscle spasms of their dying enemies for anal rape.

# Digger tribe of practicing anal intercourse with 8-9 year old girls of
# the tribe because "the vaginas were not yet big enough".

More important, they helped Digger women to learn "their proper
place" in the Digger society -- holes to be used at the convenience
of adult men.  I guess it was practices like this that led to the
narrow, ethnocentric view of the Digger Indians as "savages."

# Now, I don't know about you, but I find both practices disgusting and
# repellant. Indeed, especially for the second example, said practices
# would be considered horribly obscene and evil by many people in the
# United States.

Not if NAMBLA gets their way.

# Of course, in the "culture" (such that it is) of the Indian tribes, the
# practices were no doubt, considered normal and all the thing to do. After
# all, to paraphrase Clayton, I'm sure that such things were considered
# proper for that culture.
# -- 
# phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

Just to make it clear, he's paraphrasing a remark made by a moral
relativist with whom I work who saw the Holocaust as being potentially
right "for that culture."  There are some standards of right and
wrong.  Moral relativists, of course, would argue that this
unpleasant little practice of using 8-9 year old girls in this way
isn't necessarily wrong, as long as the culture considers it OK.
"Who are we to impose our narrow morality on another culture?"
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
I can make myself popular on USENET again -- all I have to say is that I'm not 
disturbed by the support for North American Man-Boy Love Association in the 
homosexual community.  Being popular at a child's expense isn't worth it.
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