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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 04:14:23 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

salam alaikum everyone, this is your friendly neighborhood zafar again. i'm 
here to put in my bit so here goes.

ahmad i find you unpleasant a pompous ass. i have been reading some your
articles about islam etc. and i laughed my butt off. you proclaim that the 
religious fanatics of iran (and other countries?) are a bunch of half wits who
don't know how to run a country. you also give the impression of that islam
is ruining the muslim countries by giving facetious examples in a book by
the late khomeini. i believe the book you are referring to is 
al-hukumat-ul-islamiya (hukumat-e-islam [islamic government]) i have read this
book. the problem that i have seen in this book, which is the same problem that
is in all muslim governments which is pandemic in muslim countries in general
is that the meaning of islam has been forgotten and you are an indication of
that. i am going to transcribe what has happened in the muslim world which
in a series of articles by hassan guy eaton, a british convert to islam from 
the first chapter of his book _Islam and The Destiny of Man_. The title of the
chapter is Islam and Europe.
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More Support and Recognition for the Legitimate Resistance
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:30:44 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Jul21.013325.8770@u.washington.edu> payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:

 @3. However by far the strongest statement was issued by the US
 @   State Department.   The spokesperson for the US Department of
 @   State said that the letter signed by some members of the US
 @   Congress is not a reflection of the policy of the US government.
 @   It was further stated that "the US has not forgotten the 
 @   terrorist background of the PMOI" and does not condone any 
 @   contact with the group especially since "its military activities
 @   are under the support of Iraq".

This is a change of policy for the US government. The LA Times
reported a while ago that the PMOI was on the CIA payroll.
Does this mean that the PMOI no longer receives funds from
the CIA? It would help the budget deficit.  :-)
   
 - Farzin
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:52:44 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Jul27.210941.18276@rdg.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:

>>About the most modern Bahai laws I can mention the following:
>>Page 18, line 5 of the Holy book "Aghdass" : Burn alive whomever burns a house
>>intentionally"
>
>The punishment of "arson" according to the prescription of the Book of 
>Aq'das is what you have mentioned above. The important point to remember 
>is that the implementation of this law IS NOT left to the individual, but 
>given to the society! We view it as the most practical means for the 
>PREVENTION of arson.


Is the offender burnt alive "as the most practical means for the prevention
of arson," even if no human being was hurt in the act of arson (i.e. only
the house was damaged or destroyed)?  [From what you write, that seems to
be the case, but I just want to make sure].

>>The 'mahr" for urban women's marriage is 19 misghal of gold and for rural
>>women's 19 misghal of silver!
>
>Mahrieh is a metaphorical gesture in the Baha'i marriage. Exorbitant 
>mahrieh exchanged in Muslim marriages in Iran has been done away with
>in the Baha'i law.

There are a lot of customs in Iran that have nothing to do with Islam.
In Islam, a copy of the Qur'an will suffice as mahr.  

However, you're diverting the focus of the discussion.  The question is not 
the absolute amount of mahr, but the difference between the rural and urban 
women. One wonders what the reason behind the difference is.


>
>  [notes on Bahai dietary laws deleted]
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:46:44 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Jul27.134647.6683@ac.dal.ca> 01saeid@ac.dal.ca writes:
> Dear > zafar
>
>I am replying to your comments regarding the sighted articles by
>me (Saeid) and Mark Towfig about the existance of miracles.
>
>As we both said Bahai's do not believe in miracles and we also mentiones
>that Baha'u'llah (king of the kings) performed many miracles.
>
>I want to tell you that we are both right and there is no disrepency between
>our words if the preson who is reading it does not have a prejiduce mind.
>I will present you a simple example and I wish that would enlighten you.
>Your Chemistry professor comes in the class and says
>
> Students, I have been trying for many years to convert copper to gold
> by some chemical reaction. I will be doing this for the rest of my life
> but I do not think it is a possible way and there is no logic behind it.
>
>You as a student come out of the class and tell others I don't think
>it is possible to change copper to gold but my professor is doing for
>all his life.
B>
>Someone asks isn't your professor crazy doing this even when he knows
>that it is not possible. Well dear I don't have an answer for you.
>
>You see, we are facing the delamma of prejudice. You and everybody else
>is reading the Bahai articles and just taking it as it is without even
>thinking about it. It is just like talking about the Day of Resurrection.
>Unfortunately the Moslim friends take all the discription in Qur'an as 
>in a graphical way and expect teh same features happen in that day. 
>I understand it is easier to deal with that day in a graphical term 
>because it will never happen and you are free from investigating the
>truth but dear friend that day has come and only the people who have
>put away their projudice and openned their hearts can see the light.
>
>I am afraid I do not consider you as one of those open minded people
>because you are having a hard time dealing with the simple comments
>of two people.
>
>We Bahai's do not believe in miracles but it does not mean that 
>Baha'u'llah (the king of the kings) did not perform any miracles.
>We bahai's think that the healing power has been performed by god not the
>human being. As far as we are concern there should be a reason for everything
>and religion has to make sence and at this day miracles do not make sence.
>The Blessed Beauty might have caused some chemical changes in teh person
>body to start the healing process but that is in no way considered miracles
>by us. 
>
>Now please do not take me literally and throw me back some simple
>sentences. I don't have time to repeat myself.
>
>Sincerely
>
>Saeid

aaah.... okay

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bahram@somewhere.in.heaven.edu
Subject: Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam XXXVI
Organization: Mars People International.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:49:42 GMT

	Edward FitzGerald's Translation.
	Modified and added version which is the Text of
	the Fifth Edition (1889):


			66

	I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
	Some Letter of that After-life to spell:
	And by and by my Soul return'd to me,
	And answer'd "I Myself am Heav'n and Hell:"

			67

	Heav'n but the Vision of fulfill'd Desire,
	And Hell the Shadow from a Soul on fire,
	Cast on the Darkness into which Ourselves,
	So late emerged from, shall so soon expire.

			68

	We are no other than a moving row
	Of Magic Shadow-shapes that come and go
	Round with the Sun-illumined Lantern held
	In Midnight by the Master of Show;

			69

	But helpless Pieces of the Game He plays
	Upon this Chequer-board of Nights and Days;
	Hither and thither moves, and checks, and slays,
	And one by one back in the Closet lays.


			*****
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Summary: More questions about Dr. Zadeh
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:34:04 GMT


After I posted some articles about Fuzzy logic, I have received many
responses. I certainly appreciate this. In the spirit of true learning
I appologize from all you guys for my misunderstanding. However there
is one thing that I still do not understand.

I take your word that Dr. zadeh is Iranian, but would you please 
write to me why his name is Asker. Did he change his name? I checked
our library again and I found some books listed in his name, such as
linear system theory and ... Our library records says that his name
is Asker. I will appreciate any more elaborations.

Regarding the originality of his work, despite the fact that my
knowledge of mathematical logic is next to empty set, I know
from an undergraduate logic course that multivalued logics has
been considered long ago. Would anybody out there elaborate more
about distinction of his works from those done before.

I appreciate your respond.

                      Thank You 
                      Vahid
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: About Baha'u'llah...
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:16:48 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

> 
> Dear jamshid;

Bahai's neither wish to propagand about their religion nor do they ever 
wish to get involve in lenghty discussions that would lead to no place
than Timbaak 3. 
I as a Baha'i just try demonstrate that I have as much to say as the 
Moslim friends have with their fairy tails about Baha'i faith.

You refered to a very important article which had been answered by
some Moslim friend whom was obviously full of prejudice and hatered
towards the Bahai faith. This shoould be a listen to all of us that
we Bahai's are currently suffering the most discriminations plotted
by the government of Iran and played by the blind people whom gave
you an example by their way of conducting a discussion.

Thanks for re-iterating the Baha'i view.

Saeid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Reply : Sectarian Iran tend to destroy
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:31:28 GMT

Mohammad writes:

> Only foolish people like you Mr. Jaber, who have shown your mentality in
>this news-group by advocating peace in middle-east by Iraqi Scud missiles, can
>believe that this unfortunate conflicts has been started by Islamic Revolution
>in Iran. Those who have not covered their eyes with blind hatered against Iran
>(the thing you have done very successfully!!), know that this violences have
>deep roots in the short history of Pakistan, long before Islamic
Revolution, and
>have been one of the motivations of Islamic Revolution to practically call
> Muslims from all sects to gather under the flag of Islam


Already the rivalry of Iran and Saudi Arabia has resulted into street fighting
in Kabul in Afghanistan, Where Shia Hezare is fighting Wahabi Hekmatyar Sunnies
supported by Saudi Arabia. Nobody can deny the rivalry between Saudies
and Iranians, as it is happening in the newly independent states north
for Iran.
                                     Kambiz
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Iranian wrestlers shine - Olympic update
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:02:14 GMT
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Names , Favorites ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:51:34 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <Bs7rIJ.JGx@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>What are your favorite names , Just persian names ?? I mean I think Ali is 
>a nice name but I am looking for persian ones .
>
>Here are mine :
>
>Boys :                                   Girls :
>
>Ali ( Just kidding )                     Shirin
>FarhAd					 Sahar
>FardAd					 Firoozeh
>MehrzAd					 TarAneh
>BehzAd					 Naghmeh
>Behrooz					 Shabnam
>Roozbeh 				 Roya 
>Kaveh					 Shadi
>Keivan					 ArAm
>Arvin					 AfssAneh
>Arvand					 Sakineh ( Just Kidding )
>
>Add your favorite ....
>
>Also list the names that are for both Boys and Girls .
>
>
>Ramin
>
>
>Ps :  I almost forgot to add "Ramin".

my favorite name aside from zafar tasleem minhas, is chengiz khan, since that
is my nickname as well.

sincerely

zafar
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:10:57 GMT
Organization: UB

Every religion was brought for the people of that certain time frame ,
eg. Islam in 8-9th century and Bahaism 180 years ago. Time goes on . 
This is not the 9th centrury or 180 years ago any more. So let's examine 
all religions and pick the good things out of all of them. Let's not be 
an _-Ertejaii-_ . Let's not marry four women at the same time just because 
Muhammad did it ( ordered it ) 1400 years ago. Let's not remain silent to 
unjustice and inhumanity of people like Iran's regime just because Baab 
did/ordered the same 180 years ago. What is my point ?
The point is:
No it is not the time to remain silent. No , JavAbeh ablahAn KhAmooshi
Neest. Yes, we have to fight for justice. 

So all you Bahaii's out there , don't refuge to silence and scream out 
your opinions . Forget what Baab said about " not getting involved ". 
Follow your own logic and instinct and intuition. Get involved in your
future , your children's future and your land, Iran.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: More on the Bahais and the Criminal Khomeini
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 02:18:44 GMT


    In article: <3588@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@eq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
writes:

>	Before Khomeini came to Iran he was the Guest of Honour of
>	France, the same France that Killed 2 million Muslim Algerians.
>	The French were looking after Khomeini so when the USA decides
>	to change the Shah so Khomeini can be flown to Iran and they
>	DID.

     Imam Khomeini was in Iraq for about 13 years. In 1978, Ba'athi regime,
based on their agreement and collaboration with Shah's regime, forced him
to choose one of these:
 - staying in Iraq and stopping all political activities against the
   brutal dictatorship of Shah and the crimes of Israel, or
 - Leaving Iraq to somewhere elss.

 very naturally he chose the second one. He went to Kuwaiti borther, but
Sabah rulers didn't let him in. In  Baghdad also no Islamic country gave
him visa, simplly because they didn't want to gepardize their relations
with Shah. He decided to go to France. shah's regime liked that idea because 
they thought it will push him far from Iran, and west can put him under
pressure to leave Shah alone!! This didn't work. In contrary he was
able to use existing media and also the students abraod who were in
strugle against shah for his goal, which was replacing Shah with a popular
and Islamic government. He was by no means a guest of Hounor.

    The France which you are talking about, is the same france who upgraded
Iraqi air-force from an almost non-modern force in the beginning of their
aggression against Iran, to an almost supermodern force in the second year
of war and the years after that by:

1- They supplied tens of Mirage F-1, 1000, and 2000 to Iraqis, and
therefore compensating the planes shotdown by Iranian forces, and 
replacing Soviet Migs and Sukhos.

2- They sold Super-Ferleon helicopers and Exoset air-to-surface missiles
to Iraqis, and therfore enabled them to hit Iranian ships and oil 
platforms from 40 miles.

3- In 1982 they decided to give Super-Etandard planes to Iraqis to enable
them to hit Iranian ships by Exoset missiles from 70 miles. Since they had
legal problems inside France, they actually rented five Super-Etandards to
Ba'athi air-force. A few months latter, when Iranian forces shot down one of 
those planes(and intersstingly another one was shot down by Lebannies
during the western invasion of Lebanon) it became a source of embarasement
for France and they returned them.

4- All this was done while Iranian air-force didn't receive a single
air-fighter from anybody during all the years of Sacred defence against
Ba'athi aggrssion.

   Why you and Iraqis didn't remember Algerian Martyres whole that
time!!!!!!!!! So again:

      P L E A S E   D O N ' T    F O O L   Y O U R S E L F ! ! ! ! !

>A Jaber
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Olympics
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:31:26 GMT


Kamran Khan:

Kazemi was the poor guy who lost his game not because he was a fool, he
missed his bus
and got there late and he asked for gloves at the ring but they
disqualify him just
because he was 3 minutes late and that is the grace period for such an event.

BTW:  NBC showed him last night and explained what happened to him and even the
commentator sympathized with the guy.  So, please don't laugh at you
country mate who
worked so hard to get there and missed it because of such an incident.  
In article <1992Jul30.063259.1426@ifi.uio.no>, kamrani@ifi.uio.no
(Kamran) writes:
> 
> And here is the olympic's joke , a scene that has been shown on european 
> sport channel over and over again. An iranian boxer entering the ring 
> but without his gloves (he had forgotten them) resulting in his immidiate
> disqualification.


Thank you
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fundamentals WUZ Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:23:16 GMT
Organization: VezArateh Addliyyeh

Ali baba writes:

Dear Aref;
What the hell you are talking about? I read your article 5 times and I could
not get anything out of it. why just you tell us what's wrong with Islam or 
other religions and who is fundamental.
 
sincerely yours;

Ali Eslami
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't see anything in particular wrong with Islam or other religions. I see
a lot of wrongs with THOSE WHO CLAIM THEY follow Islam or other religions.

You shouldn't need to read this 5 times to understand it.

Aref
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: To remain silent or not
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 01:24:38 GMT
Organization: tarsoo

In article <BryIIA.12y@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:

>Let's not remain silent to 
>unjustice and inhumanity of people like Iran's regime just because Baab 
>did/ordered the same 180 years ago.

Very good point, Ramin.  But just a technical question I may ask: Did Bab
really issue such order?  If yes, I was not aware of it.  Would you be kind
and direct me to the source you learned about this order?

>So all you Bahaii's out there , don't refuge to silence and scream out 
>your opinions . Forget what Baab said about " not getting involved ". 
>Follow your own logic and instinct and intuition. Get involved in your
>future , your children's future and your land, Iran.

Ramin jan: 'Ay be chashm!'  I will, I will.  vali excuse me dAdAsh, mA
hanooz harf nazadeh mored tohmat-o hezar accusation shodim.  vAy behAl-e
onrooz keh bekhAym nAleh va faghAn ham bekonim :-)

dar zemn mA mikhAstim involve Iran-o Ayandeh Iran beshim, vali khob ba'ziyA
goftan lAzem nist.  'een ghalatA be shomAhA nayoomadeh,' the authorities said.

Happy getting involved.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:20:35 GMT

Note:  This is not to criticize Kamran's article, but only to make
an observation.

In article <1992Jul23.141642.2693@rdg.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com 
(Kamran Hakim) writes:

>Waiting few more years and enduring the last kicks of a dying religious 
>order is not very hard to bear. 

If the phrase "dying religious order" is a referrence to Islam, then
it isn't an accurate statement.  Islam is expected to be the largest
religion and ideology in the world within five decades.

If the phrase is a description of the status quo, then it is well
put.  The religious "order" that has prevailed up to now is being upset.
This order consisted of separation of religion from state, decadance
and lack of dynamism of religious thought, and lack of knowledge of Islam
on part of the population.  Right now, the trend we are witnessing is an
unprecedented resurgence of Islam.  In a lot of Muslim countries, the youth
and the educated class are showing more and more interest in Islam.  Even
the corrupt governments/dictatorships in these countries are forced to
pay lipservice to Islam (though that doesn't fool Muslims).  This 
resurgence is being observed in most places, from the Muslim republics
of the former Soviet Union to West Africa (Algeria), to Egypt, to Jordan, 
to Turkey, and to Indonesia and Malaysia, and even in China.  Even the 
millions of Muslims in Europe have finally begun asserting themselves.  It 
appears that Islam is the wave of the future.

Best wishes,
Behnam Sadeghi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: How the government can help.
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:27:32 GMT


I don't know much about economy. But the thread has changed a bit, and
I have a few comments to make regarding Babak's post. here it goes:

babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) remembers:

>I had an uncle who used to think exactly like you.  He was a pessimist.
>I remember, once he got a traffic ticket for passing the red light;

A ticket for passing a red light? God forbid!   :-)

I (as well as most taxi drivers :-) was under the impression that the
common practice is to drive through a red light without slowing down,
but while at a green light slow down, and yield to the cross traffic.
It always worked for me!  :-)

>and he
>tried to bribe the policeman in order to not to get the traffic ticket.

Common practice!

>I, also, remember the police man arrested him and we have to put 20,000 toman
>bands for his release.  Finally, the judge sentence him to one week in jail
>and pay 5000 toman in fines as well. -:)

Makes sense. Probably the judge had somehow found out that the poor
guy was *your* uncle!  :-)

>I also remember that when we were in high school, some used to say the 
>teacher favor some students for this and that reason, and if you want to get 
>good grade you should pay to the teacher!

This is not too common, but I have seen it happen.

>I never paid any money to anybody, but I always did good on my tests.

Afarin, pesar e khoob!  :-)

>I was not alone, all of us who used to 
>study together used to do good, while our class football team was always 
>complaining!

I am pretty sure that I went to a different high school. For the
record, I was on the football team of of our class (and won the school
tournament one year), received mediocare grades, and never complained.

>                              With highest regards,
>                                   Babak   Sehari.

    --mack


Oh, and for the humor impaired, this article contains serious material
as well as humor. ":-)"s have been inserted, only when necessary!

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor