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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 2 stupid questions
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:28:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: mksol.1992Oct15.182845.27445
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Oct15.020212.23562@williams.edu> 93gke@williams.edu (Greg Ennis) writes:

>1. When people say "VL bus" are they referring to local bus???

Never heard of it.  The 'other' name for local bus, if it meets the
'standard' is VESA, I think.

>2. Do local bus machines have ISA or EISA specific slots???

I sure hope so.  Usually there are only 2 local-bus slots and the rest
will be something else.

>   Or, can ISA cards be plugged into local bus slots?

Even if you could get them in the slots, I don't think they can run.
The local bus slots run at the CPU clock speed.  Standard cards expect
that to be 8 MHz or thereabouts, not 4-6 times that.  Sounds like a
good way to fry parts to me.  ;-)

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From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Running DOS application from X-Station
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:50:42 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Wed  7 Oct 92  6:17, Maria@acpub.duke.edu (maria Spicer)
wrote:

 MS> Help me out here.  I have been thinking about purchasing DESQview/X,
 MS> because as I understood it, I could use it to call up our UNIX net
 MS> at work from my PC at home (which I currently do in DOS text mode), 
 MS> but would now have my X-Windows available.  It was not my
 MS> understanding
 MS> that I should need anything else new besides the software.  Can
 MS> someone
 MS> please clarify?

As I understand it, DESQview/X alone won't do the job.  You will need the
add on network support software which QuarterDeck will sell at additional
cost.  But beyond the software and a decent modem compatible with the host,
you shouldn't need anything else to run X programs from your PC on the host
system.

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From: ajt@hoops.cc.purdue.edu (Andrew Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Recomendations for 14" SVGA monitor wanted  (Viewsonic?)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:53:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


  I am ready to get a new monitor for my machine.  I already have a BOCA
SVGA graphics adapter.  I am thinking about getting the Viewsonic 6.
It can do 1024x768 at 60 Hz non-interlaced, and can be bought mail order
for around $340-$350.  Does anyone have any good or bad recomendations
about this monitor?  (One thing I like about this monitor is that all of
the commonly used controls are on the front of the monitor.)  Are there 
any other 14" monitors that I should consider (for <$400)?  Thanks.

Andy Thomas
ajt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kehcheng@netcom.com (Keh-Cheng Chu)
Subject: Re: Hard drive table PLEASE READ!!!!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:20:10 GMT

>> Would someone please email me a list of current hard drive specs.. like
>> number of sectors,cylinders,bios # etc.. if there is one out.. also is 
>> there a database or something that someone has of this info.. or could 
>> someone tell me how to get one.. 
>>  
>>                 thanks alot!!
>>  
>>                  Tom
>This is the same answer that I gave above to a different message.
>look in wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (or mirror) anonymous guest works.
>the file pd1:<msdos.dskutl>drivelst.zip is what you want.
>-Valdis

DRIVELST.ZIP is more than three years old.  Get pd1:<msdos.info>theref42.zip
instead.
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From: wales@ringss.enet.dec.com (David Wales)
Subject: Re: DEC PCs and Support
Reply-To: wales@ringss.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. Sydney Australia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:51:39 GMT


G'Day,

pjh@mccc.edu (P. J. Holsberg) writes:

> Does anyone have any experience with the new DEC PCs? How's their
> technical support these days, compared with the good guys?

	The new DECpc's are great and so is the support.  Speaking from a 
totally unbiased position of course :-).

David. (PC Integration Production Supervisor - Sydney)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kris@microware.com (Kris Hoffmeyer)
Subject: pushing 387SX 16-25MHz to 33MHz?
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:03:38 GMT

Hi,

I have a 386SX 33MHz ACER motherboard and the only 387s I've
seen locally are rated at 16-25MHz.  Both Intel and Cyrix state
these speeds.  Is this recommented/not ?

Thanks,
Kris.
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From: syzygy@rhps.UUCP (Eric Swanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ***** Ah!!!!! For Speedstar24 and/or ViewSonic 5E owners...
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 14:30:23 PDT
Organization: CrissySoft Incorporated

cpw8034@venus.tamu.edu (ALAN C. WEN (409)693-2924) writes:

> I'm trying to desparately use DVPEG or any other program to display
> Hi or True Color on my Diamond Speedstar24 (not x and not the original)
> 
> Okay, next I thought that maybe I could remedy the problem by checking
> which video resolutions actually supports Hi and True colors (and with
> the correct sync's too) and set it up with VMODE MONITORS in my
> Autoexec.bat too.  That didn't work.  I also set VMODE VESA in my auto
> exec too... BTW, what does that actually do?  Does it take my any
> kind of system resource like shadowing? 

I've got a Speedstar 24..  VMODE is a tsr that takes up some memory, but can be
loaded high if you have qemm or possibly emm386.  I've seen hi and true-color
pictures on it with the HALO image editor that came with my card..  Runs in
Windows.  Did you get one?  I think it's specific to the card.  I've tried VPIC
5.1 to show true-colors pics but I'm not sure if it actually enables the modes
or not..  Haven't done anything in Hi- or True-color in DOS.
  -Eric Swanson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: f89ba@efd.lth.se (Bengt Ask)
Subject: 486 CPUs need cooling?
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:19:29 GMT

I'm about to install a 486DX-33 motherboard in my old PC box.
The air flow through the case isn't very good.

Now, is it safe (in the long term) to run the computer without
any extra cooling of the CPU? I've seen some machines with
quite impressive heat sinks on top of the CPU. Is it common 
with extra cooling of a 33 MHz 486DX? 

The board I'm considering is also available with a 50 MHz CPU,
and that version ships with a small fan directly above the CPU,
so that's why I thought that the combination of a 33 MHz clock
(not that much lower than 50 MHz) and low air flow might fry the
processor.

If cooling is recommended, could anyone suggest a suitable
heat sink. I don't want yet another nosiy fan in my machine.

If you choose to post your reply, PLEASE send me an email as well.

Bengt Ask, Lund Institute of Technology, Lund, Sweden

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,sci.electronics,comp.text.tex,comp.lsi.cad
From: adrian@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (A Johnstone)
Subject: Announcing circuit symbols for LaTeX
Reply-To: adrian@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (A Johnstone)
Organization: Dept of Comp Sci, Royal Holloway & Bedford New College Uni London
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:10:35 GMT

 Announcing...

a set of circuit schematic symbols for LaTeX picture mode. The
set includes all basic logic gates in four orientations, FETs,
power supply pins, transmission gates, capacitors, resistors and
wiring T-junctions. All pins are on a 1mm grid and the symbols
are designed to be easily used with Georg Horn's TeXcad program:
we even supply you with a palette picture file that displays all
52 symbols in a compact grid that you can cut and paste from
within TeXcad. Each symbol lives in its own .mac file and is defined
as a \savebox so as to reduce memory consumption. You must add
the [bezier] option to your \documentstyle command. A small
manual is provided in both Postscript and .dvi forms.

The files lcircuit.zip and lcircuit.tar may are available for
anonymous ftp from cscx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (134.219.200.45) in directory
pub/lcircuit. I will also be uploading them to various ftp
servers in the coming week.

Adrian Johnstone, CS Dept, Royal Holloway, University of London

adrian@cs.rhbnc.ac.uk
From: kkt@philabs.philips.com (Kim-Kiat Tan)
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra or Diamond SpeedStar 24X
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:20:10 GMT

In article <5947@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> zheng@evy.ucsb.edu (Qi;Zheng) writes:
>
>I want to buy a video card. I have choice between
>ATI Graphics Ultra and Diamond SpeedStar 24X.
>Someone told me that the ATI one is faster but
>it is not Hi-color (only upto 256) and the
>Diamond one is slower but has 16.7m colors.
>Is this true? Which one is better?  I need
>your advise.  
>
>Thank you.
>

	Depends on what you want to do with your system, for photo graphic or
even computer graphics with 24bits or true color images, then go for the 
speedstar 24x, or you can get the new ATI Ultra + which will also display
16.7m color at 800*600, at least that is what they advertised.
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Third Floppy Driver
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:01:46 GMT
Originator: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu

Where can I find a device driver for a third floppy drive in my 486/50 eisa
system?  I have (2) 3.5" HD drives and (1) 5.25" HD drive all hooked up
according to IBM's flat cable specification with their drive IDs set to
0,1 and 2 respectively.  I am able to use the third drive under OS/2 v2.0
with it's standard IBM1FLPY.ADD driver (with the parameters specifying the
third floppy the way the docs say to set it up) and it works just fine.  
The problem is that I can't use the drive under Dos 5.0 (!).   In the DOS
manual, it says to use the DRIVER.SYS file located in the DOS directory
with the parameters specifying the drive ID and type, but it doesn't work.
Any help?

Thanks...

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From: mkg4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Michael K Gavin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Plus
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:36:31 GMT
Reply-To: mkg4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Michael K Gavin)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <AepH5r200awVF5_EdM@andrew.cmu.edu> km4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ke-Wei Ma) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware: 9-Oct-92 Re: ATI
>Graphics Ultra Plus Douglas A. Bell@po.CWRU. (737)
>
>> The cards won't be available for another week or two.
>
>	I called CDW and they have the PRO in stock, if I remember correctly. 
>I assume that it is the ISA version since the salesperson has no
>specific record of what bus type the card is designed for.  Anybody know
>when the EISA version will be released?
>
>Ke-Wei


I heard November from ATI, but that was many weeks ago.  It would be nice
to hear a more optimistic word.

Actually, I still haven't heard any claims that the EISA version will be
significantly faster than the ISA version.  Unfortunately, the recent
PC Magazine review of local-bus video (which confirmed the high speed of
the ISA version) didn't make any explicit comparisons of the ISA and the
EISA versions.  I wonder if it really makes a difference....

                                    Mike Gavin
                                    mkg4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
                                    uunet!columbia.edu!mkg4
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot)
Subject: Re: Gateway's new local bus video
Keywords: gateway video ati
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:38:49 GMT

In article <11216@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu> sidbury@jaguar.uofs.edu (Dick Sidbury) writes:
>but with an extra 340 mb drive.  Yesterday, I finally got a FAX from my 
>Gateway rep with their sales pitch on the new video systems.  I will quote it for
>your edification:
>
>			ATI 	Diamond		Integ.		ATI Ultra Pro
>			Ultra	24x		system		(1mb-std DAC)
>
>640x480			256	16.7M		256		65,500
>800x600			256	65,500		256		65,500
>1024x768		256	256		256		256
>1280x1024,interlaced	NOT!	16		16		16 N/A till Dec
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
           ^^^^^^^^^^
what sort of game it this?? The ATI ads I have seen claim the Pro can do
1280x1024 (256 colors with 2mb) @ 74Hz NON-interlaced. I am not interested
in interlaced video. So who is wrong? me? ATI ads? Gateway?

>dick sidbury
>Department of Computing Sciences
>University of Scranton
>sidbury@jaguar.uofs.edu

Also, I ask again: Has anyone any information on the new Hercules CHROME
video card?

Dwayne Fontenot
From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Conner CP-2024 help needed
Date: 10 Oct 1992 11:22:15 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
Summary: Need some assistance with a CP-2024
Keywords: CP-2024,Conner,Help

I've just gotten hold of this really cute little Conner drive (CP-2024).
Unfortunately, I don't know anything at all about it ... and since it
was ripped out of a notebook, it's got what looks to be a very small IDE
connector, with an extra 4 pins.

Can anyone help me with the drive geometry (I'd guess it's a 20M drive),
and the connector pinout?

Thnaks

Peter
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From: sam4628@zeus.tamu.edu
Subject: Q: is there a readable CPU serial number?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:19:00 GMT

Hello,
   I need to be able to uniquely identify a CPU (or other hardware
which is always present regardless of PC brand or age) using BC++.
Is this possible? Thanks.

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From: hcy@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (hon-chi.yu)
Subject: Re: Why is Maxtor 7213A so cheap???
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:06:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.171224.13707@leland.Stanford.EDU> wkn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ken Neighbors) writes:
>In article <1486@yetti.UUCP> frank@cs.yorku.ca (Frank Pikelner) writes:
>>I've noticed that Maxtor has probably the cheapest 200MB hard drive. I've seen
>>it as low as $460 (cnd.) or $370 (US). Why so cheap. I know the drive is new, but
>>why do the other companies ie. Seagate/Quantum/Conner not have any in that price
>>point? A friend of mine purchased the drive, his only concern was the drive was
>>a little noisy. ANy comments from the rest of the world?
>
>It is noisy.  My first one was too noisy, so I was able to get a
>replacement from Maxtor.  It's also noisy, but not as bad as the first.
>It's just a constant high pitched irritating whir.  I've heard that
>there were problems with the early ones, my new one has a PsomethingBA
>number of 63.  I guess they didn't spend much money on development.
>
>Ken Neighbors
>wkn@leland.stanford.edu

Actually, it's not supposed to be noisy.  According to Maxtor's literature,
the 7213 drive borrowed the mechanical parts of its LXT213 family (also
a 210 MB drive.  I have one, and it's the quietest drive I have ever had.)
and the electronics parts from its 7000 series drive.  Therefore, it's not
really a new drive, just a combination of the better parts of its two 
existing drive families.  On Maxtor's commercial, it claims that the 7213
drives have fewer mechanical parts than its competition and cost less to
manufacture.
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From: gea@engin.umich.edu (Hae Chang Gea)
Subject: help!! trident VGA in 800x600 mode
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:15:47 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I have a trident VGA card with a RELSYS 5155 multiscan monitor.
The model and version of this video bios is C3-128, dated 02/06/89.
When I install 800x600 VGA mode in windows 3.1, the screen suddenly
shrinks.  I can adjust the vertical size by v-size control switch, 
but I lost 1 in each side horzontally.

My question is: is there anything wrong with the monitor or the
VGA card?  or that's the way I have to live with.

Please send the mail to
	gea@caen.engin.umich.edu
Thanks in advance.
From: aron@taos.ced.berkeley.edu (aron bonar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486DX-66 or 486DX-50?
Date: 17 Oct 1992 01:30:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: taos.ced.berkeley.edu

 In article <1blsprINN6ff@pollux.usc.edu>, scha@pollux.usc.edu (Seungho Cha) writes:
|> I'm planning to but either of 486DX-50 or 486DX-66.
|> What do you think is the better buy?
|> Is 486DX-66 reliable?
|> 

You mean the 486DX2-66 not 486DX-66.  As far as I know there is no such thing as
a 486DX-66. 

Anyway... I had heard that the DX2-66's were unstable...at least when they first came out.
I don't know if they have remedied that yet...

I have a Bay Area Computer Currents next to me and I don't see any advertisements for DX2-66
systems....Hmmmm...

But I'm pretty sure that the DX2-66 is faster than the 50mhzDX. However, its not much faster
and I remember seeing prices for the 66 and they were significantly higher then the DX50 so the
increase in price might not be worth the increase in performance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Re: Did Gateway File For Chapter 11?
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.202112.25763@netcom.com> kehcheng@netcom.com (Keh-Cheng Chu) writes:
=pjh@mccc.edu (P. J. Holsberg) writes:
=
=>Subject says it all.
=
=Yes, it did.  This was reported in September's Byte magazine.
=In the same issue you can also read about the following recent
=developments in the computing world:
=
=a. Apple is coming out with its first IBM PC compatible machine
=   before Christmas.
=
=b. IBM is considering dropping OS/2 completely and is negotiating
=   with Microsoft about Windows/NT licencing.
=
=c. Unix is dead. 

Someone informed me by email that I owed you an apology because I had
no sense of humor. As you may understand, I did not find humor in your
posting because The Wall Street Journal reported that Gateway had filed
for Chapter 11 protection.

Pete
From: ma90alb@brunel.ac.uk (Ashley L Brandwood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 486-50+ISA/EISA/LB/etc
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:00:47 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Please help me.

I am contempating replacing my 386-33 motherboard for a 486-50, and as such
would like to know what the advantages are between ISA, EISA, and Local Bus
systems, bearing in mind that I will be keeping my old ISA HD and Video 
controllers for the time being.
I have about 850 UK$ (1500 US$) to spend on the motherboard (including delivery)
, and would like recommendations, (together with reasons) as to which sort of
board to get and, for that matter any specific board manufacturer details. 
(could you also give chipset type with board type recommendations)

Could you please mail me, as I don't log into the news often enough

ma90alb@brunel.ac.uk

Thanx in advance.

Ashley
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From: faruque@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Abdullah Faruque,334CH,3752,2654247)
Subject: Re: Fan for CPU chips
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:06:41 GMT

From article <Bvt6xH.4qt@unx.sas.com>, by sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston):
> 
> In article, morganti@sc2a.unige.ch writes:
>>
(more stuff deleted)
> 
> BTW, the device is $49.00 (US) and plugs into the power supply inside
> the PC.  It comes with mounting clips and blows air directly on the
> chip.  The problem (as I see it) is that if the air around the chip is
> hot, this device won't make it any cooler.  You also have to ensure that
> proper ventilation is engineered into the cabinet itself.
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Of course, a fan blowing air directly on the CPU will reduce the surface
temp. of the CPU. The air temp. inside the computer is far less than the
surface temp. of a 486 CPU running at high speed. Even in a poorly ventilated
case, an extra fan will make the CPU run cooler. A heat sink in conjunction
with a fan will be much more effective. A heat sink will help to dissipate
the heat generated by the CPU and an extra fan will further assist the
heat transfer process. I will recommend a fan with a heat sink for maximum
cooling.

-Faruque
Email: faruque@sun.soe.clarkson.edu