From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: MurderPhobes, RapistPhobes, etc. (was: Re: antihomosex...)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:29:17 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester
Keywords: Phobia, Homosexual

In article <1gruf8INNjf8@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, roderir@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (richard roderick) writes:
|>  Bill, you have a very good point here, and that is that murder, rap,
|>  and theft must first have something in common with homosexuality for
|>  it to be classified with it.
|> 
|>  Well, what if we said PhediphiliaPhobia? Lets see...
|>  HomoPhobia is a fear of someone?
|>  MurderPhobia is a fear of something?
|>  PhediphiliaPhobi is a fear of someone doing something?

What's your point?  Most Pedophiles are heterosexual in their
adult relationships (if they have any) and don't discriminate 
between boys and girls.
 
|>  We do have a fear of homosexuals, that is that they will fool other
|>  people into thinking it is normal and okay, especially when it involves
|>  children.

Homosexuality includes two consenting adults, not children.

|>  The Gay rights movement wants complete sexual freedom not just homosexual
|>  freedom.  If it is against the law to inflict bodily harm on anyone then
|>  something going where it doesn't fit (in other words, PAIN) should be
|>  against the law.

The government should stay out of peoples bedrooms.  What 
happens between consenting adults is their own business.

|>  But, where did these laws come from?
|> 
|>  Well it all boils down to what society defines to be right in its eyes.
|>  We live in a society.  So society decides what's "okay" by law and not
|>  "okay" by law.  The process of deciding what should and should not be
|>  law used to be mostly based on the Bible.  What does the Bible say?
|>     1) Sex outside of marriage is wrong.
|>        a) are most homosexuals married? no.
|>        b) what marriage is considered holy before God? heterosexual. (only)
|>     2) When men have turned away from God, God will
|>        turn them over to their evil desires and they
|>        will exchange natural relations with women for
|>        unnatural relations with men.

So we should create all legislation from the bible?
Doesn't it also say "judge not lest ye be judged"?
Does this disallow judges?  Can we have no more courts
or systems of punishment, according to the bible?

The Bible is one book out of many.  Why should we
use that instead of the Koran?  
  
|>  Now if you do not believe in the Bible that is your free choice, but
|>  our ancestors made previous laws based on what you just read.

It is not my free choice if the law is based on the bible.  Then
I am forced to live by it whether I choose to or not.  This is 
unconstitutional.  Don't try to force your beliefs on others.
 
[pointless stuff deleted] 
|>  Summary, as long as the majority of the people know that it is wrong
|>  they will continue to try and discourage and even out law the activity.
|>  To say we are HomoPhobes is weak and childish.  We believe in standards
|>  and morals which preserve a society and it's structure.  Less structure,
|>  less strength.

Other than the bible, you couldn't come up with one good
reason why homosexuality should be banned.  And in this
country, "the bible told me so" is not a good enough
reason for a law.

I don't care if you oppose homosexuality, and I don't care
if you hate them.  What I do care about is people whose
civil rights are being taken away by a group of narrow
minded persons like yourself.  If you want to live by
the bible, you don't have to try push it on others.

This country and Christianity are two different things.
Folks like you make other Christians look bad.  You 
remind me of the Iranian Fundamentalists, completely
intolerant of anyone who is not exactly like you.  
To say homosexuals are all pedophiles is ignorant and
bigoted.  And I will not say that you are homophobes
any longer.  I will call you righteous, religious bigots.


Jared Dahl
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