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From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:32:37 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

+ ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:

> This is answered by saying that being a 'het' I did not
> think of bi-women - E.Z., okay? Let me requit myself anywhere before
> requitting myself everywhere, etc.

Jeez - what is this "requit" thing? & if you're het and female-identified, why
are you so eager to join in female hot-tub japes? Or if het and male, why do
you think women who have expressed their interest in other women while a man
was present will find you so all-fired wonderful? etc. oh, hell...

> Regarding my reply to Sara. Read my response FIRST, then her note which
> I was replying to, I think you can see my mindset. Hey sorry, I'm hair-
> trigger touchy about being coerced thru threat of the withholding of
> affection. 

Jeez. You have no right to anyone's love: anyone who witholds it from you is
not acting to mess up your solipsistic little world, but acting according to
their nature. I can't see your mindset at all, nor would I want to live in
something at once so small and so confused. I cannot see how she could possibly
even conceive of coercing you: she is one of the least possessive people I know.

> You-all should also be aware that I make no distinction between
> sex and love. 


It should be obvious that sex involves a little more physical effort.

> I've been told "too bad for you" about it, which is true;
> I talk sex but I mean sex=love, and I have little luck enjoying sex
> on its own w/o refernce to partner's feelings and our interrelation,
> which I rather wish to 'cure' - but it also shows me how shallow the
> "men just want sex" thing is. I want UNION.

...badly enough to make a ludicrously fumbled hit on people.
 
> So there you have it: you get love(=sex nowadays) if you behave the way
> I want you. And this IS a common theme in the larger society.

Not interested.

Tanaqui 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Customs of Customs
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:45:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.153955.19187@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.071146.20870@uunet.ca> smd@uunet.ca (Sean Doran) writes:
>
>>Yes, Canada Customs, for one, is a prudish bunch and they have a
>>ministerial directive that is probably unconstitutional that allows
>>them to seize any "obscene" material and impound it at the border.
>
>What is really great is th

It's also somewhat dubious that only select bookstores get targetted.  The
Glad Day bookstore in Toronto has been tied up in court battles with Canada
Customs over publications such as Advocate Men.  Apparently, it was ruled to
be obscene, so they still can't carry it.  I wonder how they managed to get
it to the bookstores in Ottawa.  Could this be evidence of harassment? 
 courts don't seem to think so...

-- 
 D.C.X. Ferguson            ____  ____  ____   "It is not difference which 
 grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca  \  /  \  /  \  /  immobilizes us, but silence. 
                             \/    \/    \/  And there are so many silences
 Ottawa, Ontario, Canada                    to be broken." -Audre Lorde
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:35:11 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>Oh Ghod!  Sara and I crack the same jokes!  This is the beginning of the end...
    ^^^^

Wo?

Au contraire, tis the end of the beginning.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:51:44 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <memo.610913@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Clive Grace) writes:

>we enthused because we wanted to -- not because someone else
>told us to do so. I for one tend to do the opposite of what I'm asked to
>do anyway, so can you Imagine Kay saying someting like, "for heaven's sake
>avoid Owen, he's far to tigger-ish and bouncy for the likes of you...", 
>no... I thought not.

Hey, I was only bouncy and Tigger-ish some of the time you know. For some
parts of the weekend I was very subdued, although I do tend to cheer up a
little (a lot) whenever other human beings deign to interact with me. I just
find it impossible to be morose if I'm talking at someone.

>Now now Owen! Bethan does have the cutest shaved patch around the base of
>the neck  it accentuates her bob-hair style and is lovely and strokable 
>(more so than Colin's beard -- sorry Colin!) it's best after a day or so 
>to let it grow in.

Gulp! You've reminded me of the cute shaved patch - and I never even got to
stroke it (sob). I did manage to persuade Bethan to roll the shorts of her
lycra two piece down a bit at the disco so that her navel was prominently
displayed - not that it took much persuasion you understand.

>[Kay "he of the exceedingly good taste in boyfriends etc" Dekker Writes:]
>>But is she half as sexy as Bethan?

>:-)
>No comment, I'm biased.

OK, I admit it, Bethan is one of the cutest people I've ever met. I can
think of someone cuter - at my previous job. Funnily enough she's also in
Edinburgh, although I suspect none of you know her. Anyone work at DEC?
Stupid thing is, we worked at the same place for three years, and I never
told her I fancied the socks off her. Stupid, stupid, stupid! Shyness can be
a dreadful thing, especially for someone who's normally very loud. I just
get all tongue-tied and sheepish when it comes to the crunch. Add in the
demon whispering in my ear "she'll think you're a sick person when she finds
out" and I crumble hopelessly.

Owen.
From: wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Thank You, Charles and Janice was Geraldo
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:08:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep15.030828.15089
Reply-To: jwad@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Sep14.002712.12667@thelema.uucp> STella@thelema.uucp  
(STella) writes:
>Thank you both, dear ones.  I'd expected that you'd do great, and you
>surprised me even so.  Y'all done FABULOUS!

Thanks here too! :)

john wadlow
jwad@milton.u.washington
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 11:22:31 EDT

zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
> 
> Oh dear, I'm English and I'm talking about the weather.  How horribly
> stereotypical...
> 
> Colin
> 


...No, no, no, you have it all wrong.  It's us Canadians who talk about 
the weather all the time and bore everyone else.  I have it on good 
authority.

At least we have a nice sunny long weekend for Labour Day, after a 
ghastly summer.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: (re) Introduction
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 14:07:07 EDT

crabtree@drivem.enet.dec.com (Alyson Crabtree) writes:

> 
> --
> 
> 	It's nice to jump back in here and see lots of friendly posts 
> 	and familiar names.  Say, wasn't it a year ago this week that 
> 	the first posting appeared on soc.bi?   Happy Birthday, everybody!
> 
> 	and Hello again!
> 


Hello!  Hugs.  Welcome back.  I'm not a familiar face but I'm trying to 
be a friendly post.

Loved your quote....

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Xref: sparky soc.bi:12301 alt.polyamory:1205
From: cmbr01@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Our heroes!
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:23:01 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Thanks for taking the time to post that. It was interesting to read.
Just like being there on the chat show - but they can be so limited,
can't they.
J.
From: daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:57:57 GMT
Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK

>pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>"Kay got an erect penis back from Boots [photo processing]."
>
sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) replies:
>It was *Kate*!  And not the same Kate who was at the party, either, but
>an Edinburgh bisexual activist.  <sigh>
>

Actually, this Kate was at the party too, from around 10 o'clock.
She spent quite a bit of time talking to the other Kate.  :-)

BTW, Hi everyone from my new e-mail address!  We're about a week behind
with news here, and I don't have much time to post, but I'll "keep an
eye on soc.bi"[1].

Dave (That's *Dr.* Pervert to you!)

[1] - play on a Channel 4 ad.

Dave.
From: aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:55:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Sep3.113850.49609@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie 
(Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:

   In article <67518@hydra.gatech.EDU>, li40163@prism.gatech.EDU 
   (Mary A. Axford) writes:
   > 
   > 	Celebration is in order.  Our famed and beloved Official
   > Muffin Taster (Peter Flynn) is having a birthday on Saturday
   > September 5th.
   > 
   > 	Hip, hip, Hooray!!
   > 	HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   > 	Hope its a happy one.

   Eeeek! Outed! My darkest secret is revealed (at least she
   didn't mention the age involved :-)

As Jon said, what's it worth for it to *stay* secret?

   <*blush*> thank you honey, how very thoughtful of you :-)

   Cheques (aka Checks), cash, creditcard donations all gratefully
   accepted...

How about jeans?

<snigger>

Ang

--
Angela Gilham. Dept of Computer Science | "You walked out of my front door,
University of Wales, Penglais,          | I wasn't then, but now I'm sure;
Aberystwyth. SY23 3BZ. UK               | I need to be at least 2,000 miles 
aag@aber.ac.uk      +44 970 622433      | away from you!"  --- Erasure
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: another muffin!!!!
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:55:29 GMT

In article <WGT.92Sep14094253@fog.cs.odu.edu>, wgt@fog.cs.odu.edu (Warren T.) writes:
> 
> Well... hello all....
> 
> This is my honest to goodness first post.. Hello Becky!!!  :-)

Well, many happy returns on the event of your demuffining!

<e-hugs galore>
 
> I just picked up some books to read that should be very interesting...
> 
> I just recently came out to my closer friends and parents and am
> having extreme problems with my mother.. I read something in the
> Washington Blade last weekend that fit really well.. When a child
> comes out of the closet, most parents go in.

An interesting way of looking at it. Much luck and strength to you. The best
thing I can think of it to keep the lines of communication open. Nothing is
worse than if your parents think you're "shutting them out"
  
> I also borrowed "Bi Any Other Name" from Becky... Hope to read that
> one really soon.  

Good choice - happy reading!
 
> Well... just thought I'd say hello to everybody.... "HI!!!!!" and let
> people know that I exist.  

And HI!!!!! to you too! Watch out, though - don't want to get *completely*
mowed down by the welcome wagon. 

Then again...;-)
 
> ----
> \Bi/   <-- I like that one... :-)  (blatantly stolen, of course...)
>  \/				   

-Alison
    ***********************************************************
    * Alison Furlong      ---- * "I have been deceived"       *
    * 75furlong@cua.edu   \bi/ * "No - you have been refused" *
    *                      \/  *           - G. Stein         *
    ***********************************************************
                            ^
                            |
                         Me too!
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 01:06:06 GMT

 iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>
>
>> Then I go sailing in a Mirror dinghy appropriately named _If&When_
>>(hey, it's in Plymouth..) - didn't get to see much sun the day I decided to
>>take her out in the Channel and a storm which the radio didn't foresee (but
>>about which I had a bit of a niggling feeling) blew up to about force 8-9!!
>
>That nasty sinking feeling as your gaff spliters, you hop over the side
>to do a dry <I don't think so> capsize, forget that you are no longer nine
>years old, stand on the edge of the daggerboard, it cracks, you fall into
>the water, finally right the boat, realize you are no longer able to climb
>in over the stern, smash a buoyancy tank when you finally manage to
>haul your self in.  Nowadays I prefer bigger boats, specially in Gale
>force winds.

Actually, _If&When_ survived intact. If you don't count the poor sails - &
I'm damn' glad I rigged 'em so I could haul 'em in myself: I was out alone
in that two-man boat, & I had to sew 'em together after I got back to port
and dried them, anyway.

The patchwork sails look rather nice ;-)

I'm a bit more chary now. I never want to wonder if there's land behind those
hills of waves again... and when I offer to take friends sailing or hang-
gliding, it's always an honest invitation: "Come to Plymouth and join me in
flinging yourself off Brat Tor? Or perhaps _If&When_ and I can drown you?"

Tanaqui

>>Tanaqui, Member of the Mile High Club, too |-)
>
>An innocent question - what exactly counts as membership to the Mile 
>High Club.
>
>Iseult.


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: fritzs@microsoft.com (Fritz Sands)
Subject: Re: Are Libertarians necessarily bisexual?
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:52:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep12.132254.7565@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
| 
| I don't think I've ever seen a Libertarian not wearing a tie.

Come up to Seattle and chat with me sometime.

| Their rhetoric reminds me of LaRouche, which I know is unfair to them,
| but they also come off as 'Darwinists'. I don't read the literature;
| I look at the representatives. Ties + economic platforms = suspicion.

I'm certainly glad that you can generate extremely offensive comparisons
without the strain of reading anything.  If you met libertarian political
candidates at political events (like candidate nights), then what the
hell did you expect -- tie dye?  

| Vote for Wavy Gravy, and if he isn't on the ballot, write him in.
| (Tim Leary for VP.)

You may (or may not) be interested to know that Tim is a libertarian --
he had a fund raiser in his house 4 years ago for our Presidential
nominee (Ron Paul).

   Fritz
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:55:57 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

My mother reads The Guardian, so when I went to visit her this weekend I was
wondering how I could work it into the conversation, preparatory to telling
her (at least someday soon) that I've fallen for a bisexual biochemist.

It was easy to get round to the topic; the article mentioned someone's
suggestion that we hijack the word "nice" to mean bi, so when she
disparagingly described a group of people she'd met socially as being too
Nice (ie boringly middle-class), I casually wondered "I don't suppose you
read that article in Friday's..." The reply was "Yes. I thought those people
sounded rather sad and inadequate."

Naturally I jumped to their defence - I have met virtually everybody who
was mentioned in the article, so I happen to *know* it's not true. But after
half an hour or more, I was unable to shift my mother's belief that only
monogamous monosexuals can have a truly fulfilling relationship.

She has known for some time that I'm bi (in theory; she doesn't know about
the practice), but she seriously advised me not to tell anyone - otherwise
no-one will ever trust me not to run off with a member of the other sex to
them, will they?
<sigh> I decided this was not a good time to tell her about my bi boyfriend.

I wonder if I should tell her I'm really gay not bi, it sounds like she could
accept that much more easily. The only problem is it's not actually true.

Anybody else had this problem - parents that are happy with any type of
monosexuality but just can't cope with bisexuality? If so what did you
say/do?


/jon
   ___________________ ____ ________________________________________
  / -- Jonathan Harley \  /_   Could be an ever opening flower...  //    //  //
 / J.W.Harley@ncl.ac.uk \/ /  It's the beginning of               // // //////
/_Phone:UK 091 222 8504__\/__a new love inside________________///////////  //
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:11:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.153625.1740@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> crabtree@drivem.enet.dec.com (Alyson Crabtree) writes:
>
>|>In article <1992Sep9.011348.3609@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>|>> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>|>>>In article <iw.715973411@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>|>>>>An innocent question - what exactly counts as membership to the Mile 
>|>>>>High Club.
>|>>>
>|>>>Commercial airliners count, I would imagine.  Do we get extra credit
>|>>>for biplanes?  (And no, it wasn't worth it and I won't do it again).
>
>I live in Colorado - at about 6,000' above sea level.  Do I qualify for
>the Mile High Club by default?  :) Can I double my qualifications by taking
>my girlfriend camping in the mountains (at about 10,000')?  :)

This is an issue of great contention.  I think that you should be eligible,
but Wings claims that you have to be a mile AGL, not MSL.  She says that if
you start counting MSL, next thing you know someone will be trying to qualify
because they live where it's hot and humid (and therefore has a high density 
altitude).  So, we're not talking pressure altitude here, but radio altitude.
-scott

"How high is this plane, miss?"
  "Thirty thousand feet."
"Why, who would have guessed it?  And how wide is it?"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: More fun photos
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 04:36:43 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

No, not of Norwich.  (Wasn't there <pout>.)
They're of our illustrious visitors (and some of our lovely bayareaites).

(Though none of STella with whip poised over Sara - didn't have the 
camera that day <pout> - though Elaine and Sara did have theirs fortunately.)

Where to begin?

Monterey Bay Aquarium
In and amongst all of the photos of jellyfish and this wild looking 
eel, is this one of Sara, Chris and Ellen (yes me) sitting on a bench.
Sara and I are seriously checking out something or someone to the left,
while Chris is looking at the camera.  The photo definitely needs dialog 
bubbles drawn in.  Something like:  Sara:  "look at <fill in whichever
[pro]noun you wish here>".  Ellen:  "Hmmm not bad".  Chris:  "Naaaa".

Big Basin Redwood State Park
Sara bending over in contortion trying to take a picture of a medium-
sized Redwood (nice try - nice pose too...)

Sara has a photo of Coe, Chris, me (and her?) doing the usual
California tree-hugging thing.  I have the more mundane one of
us standing in front of the tree.

Back at home
Sara looking cute in the hot tub.  Peering over the edge in Kilroy fashion.
(i.e. we can see her from the nose up.)  She has her tinted glasses on.

Coe and Orc hugging and looking adorable.  Orc has his "Life's a bitch
and so am I" shirt on.  Coe is wearing her Creature Comforts "Easily turn 
off and onable" shirt.

Grant, Iseult, and Coe sprawled in the Living room.

Sara and Mike (Professor Lloyd) in the rest of the Living room.

It's official!  We have proof of the sucessful hot tub record attempt
Six bi's in a tub.
Mike, Sara, Iseult, Grant, Coe, and me.
There's a two inch wave (as in water) in the tub also.
Presumably because Sara and I have just hopped into the tub after
setting our respective self-timers.  (well maybe...)


[Days pass - we've lost Sara to the demands of her cat...]

Post hot-tubbing
Mike on living room floor giving a purring Coe a backrub

Same shot but includes a contented Muffy looking on.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ellen





Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:44:15 EDT

> 
> Yes, and that's true of women, too.  My ex-girlfriend is probably 50 lbs
> heavier than me, and wasn't very careful about whether she was squishing
> me or not.  My most recent male lover is 10 lbs lighter than me, so we
> never had that problem.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> - Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu


Yes, that's it exactly.... It STILL isn't the gender that makes the 
difference, but the individual configuration.

Namaste,
Elizabeth