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From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: next nt release
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:39:44 GMT

 
 Here is a notice that was just posted to the compu$erve win32/nt forums:


 Microsoft Win32 SDK Forum, V. 2G(41)


News Flash:

There have been a number of threads in both the WINNT and WIN32 forums about
the up-coming second release of the Win32 Preliminary SDK and the first
Windows NT 3.1 beta.  We are in the final stages of testing these releases now
and wanted to make sure we gave you the most accurate information as soon as
it was available.

The second release of the SDK will be ready before the end of October and will
be sent directly to all registered owners of the first release.  (We've just
mailed a letter to all registered owners for address confirmation.  If you
don't receive the letter in the next two weeks, please call the Microsoft
Developer Services Team at 800-227-4679.)  This release will include the
Win32s libraries, adds the Windows NT features not enabled in the July release
(better NTFS and multimedia support, POSIX, etc.), and has reduced size and
improved performance.

At the same time, we will release a beta version of the operating system for
end users.  We will begin with a few thousand beta sites and expand that over
time. We will ship the retail release of Windows NT when feedback from these
beta sites indicates that it meets our standards and comittment to high
quality. Based on the latest information and our determination to ensure that
the final code is of very high quality, the final release of Windows NT will
be in early 1993, not end of 1992, as previously anticipated.

The Windows NT 3.1 Product Team

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Some general DLL questions
Date: 01 Oct 92 03:29:02 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <JYL.92Sep29115446@burgess.eng.sun.com> jyl@toss.eng.sun.com writes:
>
>- If the DLL does not do anything fancy with windows, but wants to use
>  printf and friends to produce output on the console in which the loading
>  program was started, what subsystem do I compile the DLL for?

The WIn32 subsystem has a "Console" API, which is pure character mode, but
gives you access to all the non-gui WIn32 features. I'd advise using
these APIs and the Win32 subsystem

>- Is it possible to have a program that produces output on the console
>  (using printf and such) in which it was started and ALSO opens windows?
>  If so, for what subsystem do I compile it?

Yes, this is also possible with the Win32 subsystem

-- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM necessary for Installation?
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:17:03 GMT

In article <13337@ztivax.UUCP> jell@ztivax.UUCP (Thomas Jell) writes:
>Is it possible to install Windows NT on my PC without having a CD-ROM?
>I have already transferred the NT-CD content to my SUN.
>On my PC I have PC-NFS and enough disk space.

Not a problem.  I have done a number of dos2nt.bat installations using
PC-NFS with a DOS mount.  Make sure you use the Release Notes manual that
comes with the Preliminary Software Development Kit and ignore the README
on the CD.  There are some yukky REGEDIT fiddles you have to do to get
LAN stuff going and you will need WDLAN.ZIP off ftp.uu.net if you're using
the SMC(was WD) cards.  I have not yet got it working either off dos2nt or
CD install but have some problem solving yet to do.
-- 
Renrut Werdna			Probable-Possible, my black hen,
				She lays eggs in the Relative When.
				She doesn't lay eggs in the Positive Now
act@ss.canberra.edu.au		Because she's unable to postulate how
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb)
Subject: Re: NFS Scenario w/ Lan Manager posssible?
Originator: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:52:34 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Oct4.234455.27070@pony.Ingres.COM>, nitin@Ingres.COM (Nitin Borwankar) writes:
|> In article <BvGCKu.56x@unx.sas.com> sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb) writes:
|>
|> [ some stuff deleted ]
|>
|> >- Will IBM's TCP/IP install along w/ MS' Lan Manager or only w/ IBM's
|> >  Lan Server?
|> >
|>
|> I don't know I've only used it with LanServer.
|>

I had LANMAN running and managed to see the NT machines.  Then I installed
IBM's TCP/IP ontop of LM's protocol drivers.  The config.sys order was
picky as I got a trap 00d until I got the right order but it finally
worked.  I managed to NFS mount a drive.  Unfortunately it seemed like
I could no longer see the NT machines.  The protocol manager stuff
seemed different enough between IBM's LAPS and MS' PROTMAN that I felt
uncomfortable with the setup beside.  If I had to do this again I'd
probably persue the Lan Server approach so as to better coexist w/ IBM's
TCP/IP.

|> Except for the IBM TCP/IP on LanMan part ( which I don't have info on ),
|> the rest ought to work.
|> Let the rest of us know how your experiment went.
|>
|> I work in an environment where UNIX, NT, LanMan, LanServer and TCP/ip have to
|> co-exist.
|> So far we haven't attempted NFS mounts via IBM's NFS so I'm curious.
|> But the NT/Lanman/LanServer interoperability works.
|>

Since what I'm really trying to do is to get Unix data to my NT box and
would ideally like to access it locally I decided the better tactic
would probably be to just boot OS/2 2.0 w/ IBM's TCP/IP w/ NFS and
copy the data.  Then reboot NT and use the data locally instead of
accross the network.

Of course a better solution would be to have NFS for Windows NT or to
have a Unix Lan Manager for HP/UX and NT and to use shared dirs.

There was a trick to get OS/2 2.0 and NT to live together under OS/2's
MOST booting.  That was to setup the partitions saving 1M for MOST
but then remove it before installing NT else NT hangs.  Then reboot
OS/2 floppies and add MOST again.  Thanks to Glenn Musial.  It seems
to work fine except once in a while I can't seem to select the system
I want from MOST or FLEXBOOT (the cursor just sticks).  I didn't try
installing NT ontop of OS/2 2.0 on the same disk as Msft implied
strongly that wouldn't work.
-- 
David Kolb                    Opinions are my own not SAS'
SAS Institute, Inc.           EMAIL:      sasdxk@unx.sas.com
SAS Campus Drive - J206       Phone:      (919) 677-8000 x6827
Cary, NC  27513-2414 USA      FAX:        (919) 677-8123
From: smith@xmen.nyo.dec.com (David R. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NFS Clients for NT?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:23:08 GMT
Reply-To: smith@xmen.nyo.dec.com (David R. Smith)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Is there a list of the NFS client implementations which are being 
developed for NT?  Can someone post them, please?

Regards,

Dave Smith
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: Some general DLL questions
Date: 01 Oct 92 22:37:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation


And I *think* the answers are:

In article jyl@toss.eng.sun.com writes:
| - Is it possible to have a DLL which calls a function defined in the main
|   program into which the DLL is loaded? If so, how do I declare such a
|   function in the DLL?

Pass a function pointer, good only for the process which passes it.

| - Do I absolutely have to create the lib file (in order to create the
|   '.exp' file) or is there a shortcut?

Follow the example makefiles, and do it precisely that way.  Messing
around gets you into trouble.

| - If the DLL does not do anything fancy with windows, but wants to use
|   printf and friends to produce output on the console in which the loading
|   program was started, what subsystem do I compile the DLL for?

console

| - Is it possible to have a program that produces output on the console
|   (using printf and such) in which it was started and ALSO opens windows?
|   If so, for what subsystem do I compile it?

No, but you can call AllocConsole() from a Windows app which will 
give you your very own console window to use printf with.

-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.
From: torstein@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (torstein hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Win NT, some simple questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:59:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Chem.Eng, Norwegian Inst. of Tech

As a user of both a 486/33 PC and a Silicon Graphics Indigo, I am
interested in information regarding Windows NT. Some simple questions
follows: 

1) I have a Toshiba P-CDR-1 CD-ROM player connected to the Indigo,
what hardware, drivers etc. do I need to connect this to my PC?

2) If I'm correct, you may buy the pre-beta release in the States for
approx. 60-70 US$. In an ad. here in Norway, they are charging equiv.
~340 US$. Is it possible to buy direct from the USA? Will Microsoft
have any objections? Will I be entitled to any upgrades? ...?

3) Does the pre-release support Lantastic Networks?

4) Is there anybody who will give an educated guess on what I will
have to pay for Excel, Word etc. compiled for the Indigo version of
Windows NT? Will it be much higher than the PC version? 

5) When will the NT be available for the Indigo? At what price?

6) Is there any roumors regarding the final price on the Win NT?

7) What compilers will be supporting Win NT? (I am currently using
Turbo Pascal for Windows) 

Any help will be highly appreciated.

Please e-mail.

Torstein Hansen
torstein@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no
From: tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall)
Subject: Re: How to run net cmds at boot time?
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:27:24 GMT

In article <BvCq4y.H52@unx.sas.com> sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb) writes:
>Is there anyway to run things like "net start tcpipsvc" and
>"net share ..." and "net use ..." commands at initial boot time?

I saw some reference somewhere to a way to do this exactly once, but I
couldn't figure it out.  Maybe you saw the same thing ... I can't remember
where I saw it.

My workaround was to create a batch file called NETSTART.BAT consisting of
  net start alerter
  net start messenger
  net start tcpipsvc
  net start xactsrv
and I add it to my Startup group.  It does what I need the first time I
log in, and just complains that the services are already running on each
subsequent login ... seems harmless, if a little clumsy.

>Does anyone else have consistency problems w/ the NT File Manager
>and net commands in regards to sharing/using directories on other
>machines?  Seems like sometime I can do a "net view" and don't see the 
>other machines and later I can.  Could be my own problem but I haven't
>figured out what I'm doing wrong if it is :-).

My experience is the same as yours ... sometimes things show up and sometimes
they don't, and I haven't discovered a pattern yet.  I can generally mount
a remote volume even when the machine doesn't show up in the list, however,
assuming that everything is up-and-running.

>Can you share a cdrom on another machine?  I haven't tried this yet.

Yes, this works fine.  I installed the NT SDK (compiler, etc.) onto a machine
running NT from a CDROM drive on another machine running NT ... it worked
great, and wasn't even especially slow (compared to local CDROM).

-- Tad Marshall
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: cnolan@mee.tcd.ie
Subject: Re: MEP editor
Organization: Microelectronics Dept, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:53:40 GMT

In article <BvMB5p.B2A@unx.sas.com>, sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb) writes:
> 
> How is/was one supposed to find out about "mep"?  It seems like an OK
> line mode editor and seeing a suggestion on one of the posts I edited
> \mstools\init\tools.ini and changed the helpfile path at the bottom
> of the file to "c:\mstools\bin\mep.hlp".  This helped me enough to get
> by but isn't there some more on mep like a general overview etc?

ME (Microsoft Editor) came with C 5.1.  The docs came with it then if you know
anyone who still has the docs.  Brief was a much better option then, I'm sure
that hasn't changed.

WinDBG is a passable MDI editor, it does all the cute colouring that QCWin has. 
It's far from being a full function programmer's editor but it can ct'n'paste
etc.

Conor.
From: tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Proaudio 16 + NEC CD-ROM
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:40:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct6.174007.28914
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA

In article <107400001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
>...
>By the way, I also have a Adaptec 1740 SCSI disc controller, but I can't
>seem to get it to work with the CD-ROM using Windows 3.1 or NT.  Has
>anyone successfully interfaced the NEC CDR-83J CD-ROM to the Adaptec
>1740 disc controller?  Upon booting with this hardware configuration,
>Windows NT finds the Adaptec 1740 controller, but does not recognize the
>CD-ROM.  And Windows 3.1 does not find the CD-ROM either.  Do I need to
>get/load special drivers from Adaptec (or NEC) to support my CD-ROM in
>this configuration?

I'm using an Adaptec 1740 with a Sony CDU-541 internal CDROM drive at home
with no problems under either NT or Win31.  The Sony is set to SCSI ID 6,
if that makes any difference.  I've been able to get the 1740 to work in
both enhanced (EISA) mode and standard (1540 compatibility) mode.  Under
NT, this just worked ... under Win31, I had to load some Adaptec drivers to
get things functional.  In standard mode, I ran ASPI4DOS.SYS, under enhanced
mode I run ASPIEDOS.SYS ... these are part of a driver disk called ASW-1410.
I also need to run a CDROM driver, in my case ASWCDSNY.SYS, though there is
also a ASWCDNEC.SYS on the same disk (called ASW-410) that might work with
your CDR-83J.

-- Tad Marshall
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: beng@microsoft.com (Ben Goetter)
Subject: Re: How to run net cmds at boot time?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:14:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft, WGA Eightball

In article <BvCq4y.H52@unx.sas.com> sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb) writes:
| 
| Is there anyway to run things like "net start tcpipsvc" and
| "net share ..." and "net use ..." commands at initial boot time?
| 
| I.E. Something like DOS' autoexec.bat or OS2's startup.cmd?

Since nobody is logged on yet at initial boot time, you can't really
make any redirections then.

The functionality of "net start" will work at boot time.  There's a
registry setting which denotes that a particular service autostart.
Next release will give you a UI for this in the control panel.

The server remembers its offered share settings between sessions, so you
don't need to make "net share" commands at startup. Let the server
autostart; it will share everything that it remembers from its last
invocation.

--
Ben Goetter, beng@microsoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: isdigit('0') returns FALSE!!
Date: 04 Oct 92 22:21:06 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk> writes:
| I'm running Windows NT on an Olivetti PWS4000 (MIPS R4000 processor).
| I'm porting a Windows 3.1 application so I'm using the MCL compiler.
| 
| One of my validation routines flags an error when it's given valid data.
| It turns out that
| 
| 	isdigit('0') == 0
| 	isdigit('1') == 0
| 
| Have I managed to wheel in a unicode library or something?

When this happend to me, it was because I was using the
crtdll.lib CRT, but not compiling with -D_MT and -D_DLL.

Try that and make sure you aren't also using libc.lib or
libcmt.lib.

-- 
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My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.
From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Is it time to split this newsgroup?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:50:00 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

moncrg@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Gregory Donald Moncreaff) writes:

> I am thinking that is soon approaching the time 
> where this newsgroup into smaller, more specific
> foroms. at a rough guess, i'd think you would want
> one sub group to deal with the issues of setting
> up the winnt beta, and one group for actual
> development related issues. perhaps the simplest
> approach would be to divide 
> comp.os.ms-windows.setup into win30, win31, and 
> winnt groups; and tell everyone to post thier
> setup questions, hardware compatibility lists,
> etc there?

Actually since a lot of the traffic in this newsgroup is not about
win32 programming at all, but about nt, I think what we need is a
comp.os.ms-windows.nt newsgroup, or perhaps even better yet, a comp.os.nt
newsgroup. The latter would help distinquish the fact that nt is really
a whole new operating system, with the same interface.

Comments?

                                          -= Max =-
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: assela@marcus.its.rpi.edu (A. Andre Asselin)
Subject: is there a coff spec available?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:59:01 GMT

I'm looking for information on the COFF file format.  Does anybody know
where I might be able to find some documentation?  Thanks...
       - Andre Asselin   (assela@rpi.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jones@hal.uvm.edu (Mike Jones)
Subject: MS-DOS Shell and MEP problem (bug?)
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:08:53 GMT


I was using mep.
Pushed to DOS (ctrl-Z)
Did a nmake.
didn't like what I saw, aborted it with ^C.
entered 'exit' to get back into MEP. (quit subshell)
Just got a blank line after pressing return (no MEP).
typed 'exit' again, quit the whole DOS shell.

As long as I don't press ^C, I can 'exit' back into MEP just fine.
When I press ^C, the title of the window changes, and looks like it
aborts the subshell.

This doesn't seem like it should be.

Mike
(is there an Integrated debugger/editor/compiler ?)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: LanMan working across a gateway ?
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:54:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep28.195938.1@vthvax.tamu.edu> joel@vthvax.tamu.edu writes:
>Can file systems mounted by NT over TCP/IP, DECNET, or IPX be served
>to PCs over Netbeui?  I'd like to load only one protocol stack on my
>PC (so it can talk to NT) and let NT do the work of mounting the Netware
>and VAX/VMS file systems.  Is that possible?

Local file systems can be shared, remote file systems cannot be. This is a
security requirement. Add-on software might be able to "fool" the OS
that a remote file system is in fact local, but this isn't built into
the product (otherwise it wouldn't be suitably secure anymore!) -- Alistair

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: sa1680124@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: Functions in spell.dll
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:22:54 GMT

	Does anybody know the functions in the spell.dll? I was hoping
I can get away from writing my own spelling checker. I need the function
declarations so that I can call it from Visual Basic.

	Thanks in advance.

Albert Cyril Chew
Singapore
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,comp.windows.ms.programmer
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Uncompress utility for Windows or DOS
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: uncompress
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:53:21 GMT

Does anyone know of a port of UNIX uncompress which will run under either
Windows or DOS?  An ftp site and directory reference would be nice.  Or 
somewhere with portable source?

Thanks,
Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: porum@county.oz.au (Peter Orum)
Subject: Making demos. Powerpoint?
Organization: County NatWest, Sydney
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 01:20:02 GMT

Can someone tell me what a good program to use for making 
software demos for Windows is? 
I believe MS PowerPoint can be used for 
this, and it includes a run-time version so that the demo
can be sent out on a diskette and the viewer does not need
PowerPoint to run the demo. Are there other programs that
are better for this?
Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: bartels@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jeff Bartels 283-4167)
Subject: Use of const keyword - Borland container classes
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:57:05 GMT

I have a question for any of you BC++ users out there: 

I was writing a class that descends directly from the borland Object class. In
order to be able to instantiate from the new class, I have to provide all of the
pure virtual functions that the Object class defines.

The Object class contains member functions which look like this:

virtual int isSortable( const _FAR & Object ) const;
                                              ^^^^^

My questions are: 

1) What meaning does the use of the const modifier have for the
definition of the member function? I have found no references to this either in
the Borland manuals, or other C++ books.

2) Is this notation a Borland extension to the language? Has it gone before the
committee that is building the C++ standard?


I also toyed with this construct:


virtual const char *getPointer .....

to attempt to return a "safe" pointer to character strings. Although C++ accepted
this syntax, it did not complain when the code later modified the pointer value.


Any responses?
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,comp.windows.ms.programmer