HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Details on the fate of ST:TNG in the UK
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:27:58 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Sep11.134158.17204@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis) writes:
>
>Yes indeed it is terrorism. It is wrong to kill. Even more it is wrong to kill
>innocent civillians. It is probably not wrong to kill generals on opposing sides if
>they are opressing you and there is no other way. After all, a professional soldier 
>is paid to kill people, cause suffering and misery. This is a long way off
>defending your homeland from an agressor. Terrorists act in the name of a minority
>against the majority. Armed strugglers in the form of freedom fighters act against
>a minority for the majority. The IRA are clearly terrorists as they are not
>supported by the majority of northern Irish people. However I still think we should
>pull out of Northern Ireland as it is such a waste of money and lives. Give them
>independance and see what happens.

No way !! (in a Bill and Ted style).

You would let the IRA win. Would they peacefully disband after their 'victory'.
No, like most other terror organisations who 'win', they take over and fuck
the country up and repress it to keep in power.

The ANC as an ex terror organisation seems to have great trouble with
'peaceful demonstration'. It is by no means as 'innocent' as it trys to 
portray itself as.

As Data said 'violence is an productive way of effecting political change'.
He does not say leave the country to the terrorists.

People brought up in an atmosphere of hate and who are used to killing people
to further their own *MINORITY* views, won't take kindly to having to lump
it when hypothetically in their own free country they have to do something they
don't like.

Neil

P.S. They, as in a *minority* of the Ulster population, want *re-unification*
      with Eire, not independance BTW !!!
From: imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: UK TV Charts for 17-23 August 1992
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:11:01 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
X-Local-Date: Tuesday, 15th September 1992 at 3:10pm BST
Originator: imc@msc3.comlab

After a short break, it's back!.. :-)

   BBC1                millions  BBC2                     millions
 1 EastEnders(Thu/Sun)    16.64  Star Trek                    4.95
 2 Neighbours(Mon)        15.23  The Travel Show              4.37
 3 Miss Marple             9.65  Athletics                    4.27
 4 Dad's Army              8.57  Naked Video                  4.26
 5 Porridge                8.44  Gardeners' World             3.74
 5 Birds of a feather      7.88  The Living Planet            3.22
 6 News and Sport(Sat)     7.47  Best of Saturday Night Clive 3.08
 7 The Woman in Red        7.42  Floyd on Spain               2.83
 9 Every Second Counts     7.02  Indiscreet                   2.82
10 The Four Musketeers     6.73  Sunday Grandstand            2.80

   ITV                           Channel 4
 1 Coronation Street(Mon) 16.90  Brookside(Wed/Sat)           5.73
 2 Home and Away(Mon)     13.91  Stand By Your Man            5.33
 3 The Bill(Tue)          12.36  Secret History               5.04
 4 Goodnight Sweet Wife   11.23  Roseanne                     4.19
 5 After Henry            10.68  The Golden Girls             3.94
 6 Family Fortunes        10.34  The Cosby Show               3.70
 7 News at Ten(Tue)       10.27  An Audience With Dame Edna   3.55
 8 The Lilac Bus          10.26  Countdown(Mon)               3.45
 9 Wheel of Fortune       10.18  Turbulence                   3.05
10 The Darling Buds of May 9.91  Young Bess                   2.59

This chart is taken from the new issue of the Radio Times; the information
originally came from the BARB. Permission was not obtained from either
authority. When more than one episode is broadcast in a week, the highest
figure is given, and in this case the day(s) on which the maximum
occurred is(are) stated. If a programme is repeated the audiences for the
first and repeat broadcasts are added together.

imc sez... Well, ST:TOS is off to a flying start, despite its poor (but
well-used) time slot.

Btw, you might remember that several weeks ago the BBC decided to switch the
5.35pm showing of Neighbours to BBC2 for a week because of the Olympics.  I
was interested to find out that it didn't get in the top ten on BBC1 that
week, and it only managed 7 million on BBC2!

Ian Collier
Ian.Collier@prg.ox.ac.uk | imc@ecs.ox.ac.uk
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: New Stuff on BBC in the new season
Date: 6 Sep 92 06:42:29 GMT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:

> In article <1992Sep4.154601.10229@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postle
> >P.S. The BBC is now showing the Wayne's World shorts from Saturday
> >     Night Live. This is the first WW I've seen.
> >     Conclusion: Bill and Ted	-	EXCELLENT
> >		 Wayne's World	-	BOGUS.
> >	Wayne's World is *NOT* Funny

Shouldn't that be..."Wayne's World is funny.....NOT!"  Just a thought.  :)

> You're right, of course, but the situation is compounded by lack of
> familiarity with the catch-phrases involved, e.g. "He shoots! He
> scores!" (ice hockey, I believe).  Also, US TV still finds humor
> in fighting the censor, which is somewhat passe in the UK these
> days.
> 
> A better effort by Mike Myers, IMHO, is the spoof German avant-garde
> TV show "Schprockets", which featured on SNL (with Mr Normal himself,
> Kyle Maclachlan).
> 
> There's a dark secret here: many of those who have come up via SNL and
> shows of that ilk are in fact Canadians.  This despite a thriving
> comedy club circuit in the US.  Something cultural, I guess. 

It could also have something to do with the fact that the producer, Lorne
Michaels is Canadian.   So perhaps he has had a chance to see a lot of
the Canadian comedians on visits home.  A lot of the original SNL
players were Canadian as well.  


-------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: naran@fraser.sfu.ca (Travers Naran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Thunderbirds and Stingray
Summary: What are these shows?
Keywords: thunderbird stingray
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:52:37 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Canada's YTV is going to start showing Thunderbirds and Stingray. What are
these shows about? I know they are the Supermarianation shows of the 60's, but
what are their premises?

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Travers Naran						| "We fear
Mail address: naran@fraser.sfu.ca or naran@sfu.ca       |  change. WHACK!
Simon Fraser University, British Columbia, Canada	| WHACK! WHACK!"
Cmpt. Science student wanna-be				| -Garth 
Trekker, Leaper, Red Dwarf'er, Prober, etc.		|  "Wayne's World"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Xref: sparky rec.arts.tv.uk:5413 rec.arts.startrek:14991
From: Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Details on the fate of ST:TNG in the UK
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 14:32:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep9.174231.1982@cs.hw.ac.uk> <5779@mccuts.uts.mcc.ac.uk>

TThe Boob's at the bbc could have just canceled one show, rather than the etr
series.But what do they care! The show is not brithish anyway!
Xref: sparky rec.arts.tv.uk:5364 rec.arts.startrek:14980
From: andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Details on the fate of ST:TNG in the UK
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:40:16 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner) writes:
: The B.B.C, had alot to learn. The more they censor the more armed strugle
: becomes worth it. It is a clean show. If they don't like data's comment
: about the IRA's armed strugle than they can BLEEP it out.

I think the presence of "bleeps" would have been even more blatant and
would have caused even more public outcry. Editing out a scene keeps most
of Joe Public quiet because JP never becomes aware of the edit. The BBC
generally uses bleeps to cover obscenities in things like interviews and
"live" broadcasts, although in the case of movies they edit in different
words, as in the case of Crocodile Dundee, where the phrase "..it still
tastes like shit" was edited to "it still tastes like dung" which seemed
rather petty, but the film was aired during the "family viewing" window.




-- 
Andy Clews, Computing Service, Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, England
JANET: andy@uk.ac.sussex.syma      OTHER NETWORKS: andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: A Very Polish Practice
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:41:54 GMT
Distribution: rec, ed, eduni
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <25594@castle.ed.ac.uk>, by eusl01@castle.ed.ac.uk (L Edwards):
> I thought this was a disappointment. Doggy Daker had become a stereotypical
> new man instead of a confused anti hero with sexual dysfunction. Grete

Agreed.  They also overdid the Nun's joke a bit!

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services
The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
Tel: +44 273 678203     JANET: stevedc@uk.ac.sussex.syma
EARN/BITNET  : stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk      UUCP: stevedc@syma.uucp
ARPA/INTERNET: stevedc%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
From: richard@sfu.ca (Richard Chycoski)
Subject: Re: Why are the British portrayed so falsely on TV/Film
Reply-To: richard@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:36:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.001649.19051@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil  
Postlethwaite) writes:
> Having watched a few video's over the weekend, one thing with them I find
> is that the British get such a false stereotypical portrayal of them. It
> makes me wonder if the writers have ever been outside their country.
> 
> Most of the stuff was American BTW.
> 
> The stereotypes are things like the cockney, the London (bowler hat/brolly)
> gent, the stupid country yokel (oo-arr, mines a cyder), the 60's Beatles
> fan, the aristocratic twat, the Scottish `tight git' in a kilt etc ........
> 
> Do American's really have such a inadequete view of the world or is it
> just the TV geek people, after all the net.people seem pretty 'normal'
> to us here.
> 
> After all, we in the UK know all Americans are crack-crazed, cop killing,
> TV channel hopping, fat burger-chomping, rap loving, Mall hanging out
> type of people. All Australian's are XXXX obsessed  Neighbours watching
> morons etc ............. :-) !!!! We believe the TV God !!

Stereotyping happens in all markets, to all peoples (including those in the
market they serve!). "The Avengers" was certainly a British send-up of 
"bowler hat/brolly" types, and "Bob and Doug MacKenzie" are Canadian send-ups
of Canadians. If we can't laugh at ourselves, who can????

(Yes, it doesn't help our images when these productions are exported, and yes,
the American productions do seem to make fun of the British and Canadians. But
they also make fun of Americans, so what of it? The image of Nelson Eddie in
red serge is certainly not very accurate in this century, but neither was the
'governor' in "Benson". Ooops, that one may have been pretty close... :-)

Don't take it so personally, it's only TV. *Everyone* gets slagged on TV, all
in the name of entertainment, and I've given up expecting anything 'real' from
entertainment TV.

- Richard Chycoski
  richard@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Looking for a few Brit shows
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:04:47 GMT

I'm looking for anyone interested in copying some shows for me. Either
reimbursement can be provided (shipping) or I can provide some shows. Here
is what I'm after followed by what I have in [] (I'll list some stuff I have
even if I'm not after it).

Young Ones: all [none]
Hitchhiker's Guide: all [none]
Red Dwarf: first two stories of season V [seasons I-IV, stories 3-6 of V]
Dr. Who: Planet of the Daleks #3, The Dalek Masterplan #10, The Krotons
  (I have someone pursuing this, but he said it'll be 2-3 months...)
  [everything else] (I'm also after audio tapes of missing video)
Black Adder: any of the specials (I'll probably buy Christmas Carol in Oct.)
  [almost all 4 seasons - I'll get the rest off Comedy Central]
Mr. Bean: all but RoMB [Return of Mr. Bean]
Fawlty Towers: none [all]
Robin of Sherwood II: none [all - I think. Does anyone have an episode guide
  for it?] (I guess there was a RoS I...? I'd like it...)
Monty Python: any movies but Holy Grail [almost all 30 min shows - I'll get
  the rest off Comedy Central, Holy Grail]

Please reply by e-mail.

Tom
wilson@cs.ucf.edu
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: L.A. Law possible cancellation shocker !
Keywords: itv bunch of swines i hate them etc etc
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:53:07 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <Bu7FLv.4oI@csc.liv.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:
>I'll certainly get on a letter-writing crusade if L.A. Law is
>dropped from ITV (despite the swines cutting entire scenes out !). It's
>exactly the sort of series BBC 2 should buy up because at least there's no
>ads to provide the excuse for editing. All this is probably a result of those
>stupid, stupid franchise auctions, where many ITV companies spent too much on
>the bid and have to find ways of cost-cutting. To target the *best* US import
>on ITV as a means of achieving this is simply outrageous.
>Richard K. Lloyd, 



With luck it will revert to Channel 4 where it started and really belongs
(BBC 2 would be acceptable though) It really shows up the programs it is
surrounded by as being weak despite it's American origins. 



Does anyone else find it curious that the BBC has not picked up a single one
of the `quality' programs from the US in the past few years? (I place
quality in quotes as it's a very subjective word in this context.) It is
almost as if there was a deliberate policy to exclude all MTM and MTM-like
programming.  

Apart from the original Mary Tyler Moore show and the recent, and much
poorer, Mary, the BBC have never broadcast any of the MTM TV series (such as
Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, Lou Grant etc.) They also missed out on LA
Law, Northen Exposure, Crime Story etc. (which aren't MTM but display much
the same dramatic style) It can't be cost as they often first appeared on
Channel 4, a company with very limited funds or in the case of Crime Story
as a late night filler on ITV (in the Granada region.) 


-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.startrek
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Details on the fate of ST:TNG in the UK
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:55:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.085516.19340@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK>, M.Willis@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Mike Willis) writes:
> In article <65589@cup.portal.com>, Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner) writes:
> |> The B.B.C, had alot to learn. The more they censor the more armed strugle
> |> becomes worth it. It is a clean show. If they don't like data's comment
> |> about the IRA's armed strugle than they can BLEEP it out.
> |>  
> Exactly, I am sure the US stations would have done the same if Data had mentioned
> the seperation end Ethnic clensing of the Southern states in the early 2030s! Or
> maybe the USA/Japan war?
> 
> Armed struggle and terrorism are not the same thing at all. In armed struggle
> you fight the opressing establishment, in terrorism you attack civilians.
> 
> Mike

I'm not so sure that they would.  Sure, we have editing, some of it seems quite
silly, but it is usually obsenities or nudity, not ideas or artistic licence 
of things that have happened or are speculated to happen.  Over here things 
like that tend to get printed in the newspapers who get highly irate about
censoring, and JP does find out and proceeds to raise HXXX.  Oops, I've just
been censored.
From: rgty_mrw@waikato.ac.nz (Mark Willcock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Around the World in 80 Days II ?
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:15:41 GMT
Organization: Admin Systems - Registry

Hi, 

I have heard there is to be a "sequel" to the excellent 'Around the World in 80
Days' with Micheal Palin.  In fact I am sure they were filming it ealy this year

Does anyone have any info ?

Many Thanks.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mark Willcock  M.Willcock@waikato.ac.nz|"As the wise old saying has it, you can
University of Waikato                  |take a horse to the water, but you can't
Hamilton, New Zealand.                 |make it play Santa Claus."
"Disclaimer ? What'd I say ?"          |                        - Bertie Wooster
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: swc@spambo.uk.sun.com (Steve Cumming - Sun UK)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: The Thunderbirds
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:38:10 GMT
Reply-To: swc@spambo.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems

> So Gerry Anderson decided to use F.A.B. as a sign off in the
> same way they used P.W.O.R. in Stingray earlier.

P.W.O.R means Proceed(ing) With Orders Received. 

---
Steve Cumming.
Sun Microsystems.
U.K. Answer Centre.
Phone: +44 276 691974
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Sky TV - *Mostly* Pathetic
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:20:36 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <Bu7FGu.4n0@csc.liv.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:
>
>Sky Sports: Showing US Open Tennis *live and unscrambled*. Where the f**k is the
>Eurosport: Covers the two practice sessions, the warm-up, the whole race and
>           the post-match interviews of every Formula 1 GP this season, again
>Screensport: Weekly coverage of US Baseball.
>Lifestyle Satellite Jukebox is useful for catching up on pop videos you missed,
>CNN International is an excellent way of keeping up on US news ("CNN Showbiz
>RTL Plus, a German channel, has some risque (i.e. nude) shows on Fridays and

Yes, but most of these aren't Sky's channels though. Sky Sports is. Lifestyle
is WH Smiths/Sky. CNN, Eurosport, Screensport (?), RTL are all sharing the
Astra satellite, but aren't part of Sky.

>> Sky really is poor and taking a look through
>> this weeks schedule in the TV times, all that interests me are the 2 movie
>> channels.
>
>I'd agree that Sky One and the Lifestyle Channel are the pits, but the rest
>often have some good stuff on them. Put it this way - I watch more satellite
>TV than I do BBC 1, but considering the s**t that's on BBC 1 nowadays, it's
>not difficult is it ?

Agreed about some of the shit in terrestrial TV though. But comparing it to
the amount of drivel on Sky One/Comedy Channel Sky fares far worse.

Neil


****************************| Sig' Time |*********************************
JANET: 	  neilp@uk.ac.hw.cs   *   Neil Postlethwaite, Rm G.25, 
INTERNET: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk   *   Dept of Computer Science,  
UUCP: 	  ..!uknet!hwcs!neilp *   Heriot-Watt University, Riccarton Campus
                              *   Edinburgh, EH14 4AS, United Kingdom.
------------------------------*-------------------------------------------
Computer Science Account      *   Phone +44 (0)31 449-5111 x4174
From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Where's the SciFi?
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:05:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <BtyB6H.HMC@newcastle.ac.uk>, unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes:
> 
> Is anyone else suffereing from a stunning lack of science fiction on
> television?  With the few exceptions of a US programme here or there,
> and the occasional film, there appears to be NO scifi at present...
> 
> Who do we whinge to?

There's a stunning lack of NEW sci-fi on British TV. You've got "Star Trek" on
BBC 2, "Lost In Space" and "V" re-runs on Sky One and that's about it. The next
new British sci-fi ? Probably "Red Dwarf 6" I guess and that's only because
BBC 2 classifies it as "light entertainment" and not sci-fi. As for ST:TNG,
well don't let me talk about that, otherwise I'll scream the roof off and shout
lots of expletives at the BBC and you wouldn't want that, would you ? :-) To
think that the US is about to start Season 6 of ST:TNG and we won't get to see
that season until 1996 ! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArggghhhhhhh !

Richard K. Lloyd, 
Computer Science Dept.,   JANET     : rkl@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci
Liverpool University,     Internet  : rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk
Merseyside, England,    Q: "What's the world's fastest home micro ?"
Great Britain.          A: "The Archimedes A3000. 4 MIPS for under 800 pounds."
From: daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Details on the fate of ST:TNG in the UK
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:22:33 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <25708@castle.ed.ac.uk>, tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes:
> daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
>>> In the case of "The High Ground" it fell foul of the government's
>>> legislation banning any support for terrorism. It wasn't a case of the
>>> BBC censoring it, rather the law forbade them from showing it.
> 
>>I am not aware of any such law. 
> 
> This of course does not mean that such a law does not exist. Supporters
> of the IRA and other terrorist organisations regularly have to be
> subtitled when they appear on TV.


I am well aware of the law preventing supporters of the IRA being heard on TV.
If you think that there is a law "banning any support for terrorism" I would
like to know what it is.

> 
>>I believe that the BBC thought it would "not be
>>in the public interest" to broadcast "The High Ground".
> 
> Well you can believe that if you want.
> T

I also happen to have it in writing from the BBC, having complained that they
had not shown The High Ground

Dave
-- 

David Hastings                      | "Imposition of order=escalation of chaos"
VAX Systems Programmer              |                     
Oxford University Computing Services| "Just when you think you've won the 
daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk              |        rat race, along come faster rats"
From: tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Details on the fate of ST:TNG in the UK
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:41:29 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Colouring Book Software

daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>> In the case of "The High Ground" it fell foul of the government's
>> legislation banning any support for terrorism. It wasn't a case of the
>> BBC censoring it, rather the law forbade them from showing it.

>I am not aware of any such law. 

This of course does not mean that such a law does not exist. Supporters
of the IRA and other terrorist organisations regularly have to be
subtitled when they appear on TV.

>I believe that the BBC thought it would "not be
>in the public interest" to broadcast "The High Ground".

Well you can believe that if you want.
T

-- 
Tony Cunningham, Insignia Solutions. 				   tjc@ed.ac.uk

Yes, I carry a grudge. If someone pokes me in the eye, I'll poke both of
their eyes. larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)