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From: benson@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Paul BaJa Benson)
Subject: Re: Re- Re- Accelerator perform
Organization: Vanderbilt Univ., Engineering (SERG), Nashvegas, TN
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.210953.13578@news.iastate.edu> hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma) writes:
~In addition, just about every digital clock, microwave, and any other gadet  
~known to man uses the 65c02 as well. So I can see a lot of those manufactures  

Not disagreeing with you, but have you also noticed that the 6811 is
appearing a lot?  I have.

~	Secondly, if there wasn't many 65816's being made, how come Sanyo went  
~out and sunk some R&D into a faster 14 Mhz??
 
 Who knows what Sanyo's reasons are.  I doubt they'll make as many 65816's
 as 486's are produced.  If the '816 does make it into the gadget
 electronics, your theory may become true, but my comment is still true.
 Someone was complaining that the 14MHz chip cost so much.  I explained
 smaller technology and the lot size.  Since it is a new chip and its market
 is yet undetermined, the lot sizes have been small, thus the chip price is
 high.  If it does enter the gadget electronics biz, then the price will
 definitely drop.  Your assumption that "if there wasn't many 65816's being
 made" is false.  No company makes huge lots in the beginning.  Sanyo put in
 the R&D in the hope that many _will_ be made, but the market must determine
 that.  Granted, Sanyo probably asked around and checked on the amount of
 interest before they committed, but 'engineering samples' and relatively
 new chips are expensive due to the amount produced.
-- 
  Paul 'BaJa' Benson
  Vanderbilt University - Space Electronics Research Group
  GEnie: P.Benson1     Net: benson@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: Re: UUCP for Apple II?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:17:38 GMT

Austin Phelps (bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP) wrote:

: Now I'm wondering is the program ProLine uses in public domain or 
: commerical? If in Public Domain, which FTP site, commerical - possible 
: place of purchasing?

This program was written by Morgan Davis (mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com) and it is
in the public domain.  I think ccosun has it, and if not, I'd check wuarchive
which should have it.

: Thanks for your help.

No problem.

: Austin C. Phelps            pick a address: bbs-aphelps@jwt
: -> Tf3 <- elsewhere                         aphelps@vicstoy.oau.org
: "Let History Never Forget the Name          business!152!Tf3
: Apple II Forever! AAWO -{3303}-  ENTERPRISE

Amrit
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From: PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Resurrection!!!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Re:  keeping the resurrected IIC vs getting a GS--
The GS is not 'supported' significantly more than the IIC.  A GS augmented
to the point where it is effective (accelerator, HD and interface, memory)
is both expensive and tempermental.  If the IIC does what you want done,
invest in a ZipChip accelerator (8mz for $100 or so).  Quality Computers
just advertised a new HD for the IIC in their latest catalog (there IS
some support!).
Paul Brandon
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From: tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple II DSP
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:42:03 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The following revelation escaped Ken Poppleton's lips:
> 
> But that is where I have run into a snag.  I have not found a
> good shematic capture and PCB layout package which runs on an AppleIIe (no hard
> disk), or an IBM-PC (CGA graphics, 10M hard disk), or on a sun workstation which
> is very inexpensive!  Anyone know of a program I could use?

    Couldn't you get a hold of a more powerful PC to do the board layout
(like a 386/33 or something)?  Borrow/rent/lease/steal one if you have to!
I'm sure none of us will mind of you do the development on an IBM as long
as the final product is for the Apple II!  :)  Keep us posted.
-- 
Brian T. Tao    =*8-) | ::::::::> tcomtaob@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca <::::::::
Dept. of Exobiology   | :::::> generic!terranet!taob@zoo.toronto.edu <:::::
University of Toronto | "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: survey
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:59:31 EDT
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

This is the same survey that I placed on the net about two weeks ago. 
I've received about 30 replies.  So far, there have been 180 votes
about the GNO newsgroup.  PLEASE FILL OUT THE SURVEY.  The larger the
numbers, the more valid the survey.

I have had one person complain that the survey is biased.  It was
approved by the professor as being un-biased; NOTE, THAT YOU ARE TO
AGREE OR DISAGREE on a sliding scale of 0 - 9.

YES / NO answers will not be counted; three people have answered in
such a way: you my redo your survey as I have the return address of
all who have replied.  WHEN THE SURVEY IS FINISHED, THE "NAMES" WILL
BE ERASED TO PROTECT THE INOCENT!!!.  If you cannot answer, skip the
question; please add any comments to the end of the survey.

----------------------

I am doing a project for my _Marketing_ class.  I'd like you to answer
the following questions.  The answers will be on a sliding scale of 0
- 9 with "0" being STRONGLY DISAGREE and "9" being in TOTAL AGREEMENT.
 PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT the questions; simply answer like this via. E-mail:

                    "
                    A)  ?
                    A1) ?
                    C)  
                    etc."

If a question does not apply, DO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION!  If you'd
like to make a comment, please do so at the end of the questionnaire. 
The idea is to keep bandwidth to a minimum.

I'd like to thank you in advance!                 Larry


A)  I think Apple Computer supports the Apple II to a sufficient
degree.

A1) I think Apple Computer supports the Mac to a sufficient degree.

A2) I think Apple Computer will do to the Mac the same thing it did to
the Apple II, III and Lisa.

A3) I bought (would buy) a Mac because of my positive experience with
my Apple II.

B)  I bought (would buy) another new Apple II from Apple Computer.

B1) I dislike Apple Computer.  However, I bought (would buy) a used
Apple II because of my positive experience with my first Apple II.
 
C)  I will buy (have) another computer.  It will be (is) a ????
because an Apple II simply will not do what I need(ed) to do.

C1) I will buy (have) another computer.  It will be (is) a ????
because I dislike Apple Computer. 

D)  When asked, I speak well of Apple Computer.

D1) When Asked, I speak well of my Apple II.

D2) When asked, I speak well of a Mac.

Please indicate that you read this on c.s.a2.

Thanks              Larry

InterNet: larry@lablues.UUCP
FidoNet:  1:132/300 Larry Schneider

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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Amrit, C/C++
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:04:41 GMT

I'd like to see a C++ compiler for the IIGS.  Anyone? }:>

- Eric S.

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Erroneous statements and inappropriate opinions stated herein are
caused by network glitches and are not attributable to the author.
From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple writer II
Date: 30 Sep 1992 23:05:15 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu

A friend of mine has a lot of files that she created with an Apple Writer II
word processor.  I have two questions:

1:  The easiest way would be to get ahold of another Apple Writer II
	program.  I really know nothing at all about Apple II's, so I 
	wouldn't know where to look.  She has tried looking in stores for
	this program but is unable to find it anywhere.

2:  The next best way would be to convert these files to standard text.
	Again, I know nothibng about the operating system and would need 
	to know what tools I would need, like a sector editor or something.
	Tanks for any help.
From: wsheffield@pro-ace.cts.com (Wayne Sheffield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: this echo
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:13:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-ace]

this echo seems to have disappeared from the world!  Has the name changed
or something like that which would prohibit getting the feeds?  Help!  In
desperate need of apple 2 news / gossip!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sharris@chopin.udel.edu (Scott A Harris)
Subject: For sale: Orca C
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:02:24 GMT


I have a brand new copy of Orca C that I installed once and then
put in the box and have never used.  Would anyone be interested?

Scott


-- 
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sharris@chopin.udel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Orca/C Bug?!?!
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:27:51 GMT

Hi,

you write (among other things, which I can't quote because nn is down (argh))

int i;
long int j;

for (i = 0;i <= 15; i++)
{
  printf ("i=%10d\n",1 << i);
}

Well, for one you don't use j in here in any way. Second, you pass
printf an int (not a long int), and you also tell printf to expect an
int (not a long int). What you probably wanted to do is:

for (i = 0;i <= 15; i++)
{
  printf("j=%10ld\n",j = 1 << i);
}

Yours

Soenke
From: aa783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Spaeth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Problems with the sound CDev...
Date: 4 Oct 1992 17:38:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Spaeth)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Several people I spoke with about my problems with system 6 told me I
should reinstall it again from scratch, so I did...

Now, with no DA's or Inits installed (Other than the ones apple gave me)
The Sound CDev itself is causing numerous problem!

The Sound CDev will only assign sounds to actions of the sounds are the
stock system 6 sounds...

I am getting semi- frequent "unable to load/unload resource" errors from
the finder...  

Is /anyone elese having this problem?
Has anyone figured out how to correct this?  I need help!

The really weird thing is that system 6 worked fine last time I installed
it, and I haven't had any problems with anythign when running a single disk
version!

thanks in advance!

(I might just go re-ftp system 6!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Orca/C Bug?!?!
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:52:58 GMT

>>	char checkKbd()
>>	{
>>		return( *((char *) 0xe0c000) & 0x80 );
>>	}
>>
>>Then your loop would be:
>>
>>	while( !checkKbd() ) 
>>		a++;
>>	*((char *) 0xe0c010) = 0;

>>and it would check the keyboard latch for any key to be pressed.

   Best yet, bug the System Software group to add this functionality to
the system software. It's been lacking since the very first Apple II.

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From: bx791@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan Michael Gindlesperger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: New II GS Owner with Questions
Date: 1 Oct 1992 23:06:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Well...mabye go to a library.  Also..on CompuServe become a 
member of the Apple II users form (go appuser)
From: mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (matthew wain hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: LRO & Ramfast problem :THANKS!
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:31:35 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

To everybody who responded to my question about the problem
with my Ramfast board and Pro HD:

Thanks!

Several people had had problems with their power supplies when
using the LRO hard drives off the drive port.  I guess I'll 
talk to LRO and get a external power supply.  I'd just as
soon get one even if it's not the problem.  If it's not
then I'll guess I'll have to send the board back to CV. Tech.

Thanks again for your help,




-- 
"""""
Matthew W. Hacker               mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Can a //c talk appletalk??
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:10:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

dratzlaf@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Ratzlaff) writes:

>So far that I've heard, //c's can not do Appletalk.  It seems Apple had
>plans for Appletalk on a //c, but with the introduction of the //gs, they

Some of the //c ROMs did have preliminary support for AppleTalk, however the
hardware was never implemented and I'm not sure if the ROM support was ever
finished. The problem with doing AppleTalk on the //c hinged primarily on the
fact that the serial ports would have to be changed from a pair of super-serial
card compatible 6551's to a single 8530 SCC (the serial port chip used by the
IIgs, the Mac, the NeXT, Sun's workstations, and others). This would cause lots
of hardware compatibility problems for telecom programs, and programming the
8530 is not easy enough for Apple to just expect everyone to adapt to it (it
would cost third party developers a significant amount of development to add
support for it). They bit the compatibility bullet on the IIgs and used the
65816 and the extra ROM space to make things reasonably painless for third
parties, but it would have been a lot tougher in the //c so they definitely
made the right decision, even though it would have been nice to get AppleTalk
support on the whole product line.

One other option that they probably considered was keeping one 6551 and using
a cheaper 1-port version of the 8530 chip; however the support chips for the
8530 really expect you to use both ports so they would have paid extra in board
area and that would have raised the cost of the //c. This was probably not
acceptable to them at the time; I wouldn't have liked it either.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Subject: Re: Orca/C keypresses (was Orca/C Bug?!?!)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:08:19 GMT

neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:

>In article <2970@news.cerf.net> mdj@nic.cerf.net (Mark de Jong) writes:
>>Well, you can do something "gross" like this:
>>
>>	char checkKbd()
>>	{
>>		return( *((char *) 0xe0c000) & 0x80 );
>>	}

[rest of exampled removed]

>   I don't think one should get into the habit of checking soft switches
>and the like this way from ORCA/C. I checked the generated code for this
>once and noticed that the effect of *((char *) 0xe0c000) is to load the
>sixteen bit accumulator with the contents of $E0C000 (hence loading the
>next address in the machine as well) then masking off the high order byte
>with an AND statement. For soft switches such as those controlling the
>screen or, say, the 5"1/4 drive controller (to name two things with which
>I am a bit familiar) adjacent addresses can have opposite or unrelated
>effects, and this will cause problems.

>   Better is to use the inline assembly feature, set m=0 explicitly, do
>the toggle, then reset m=1 for 16 bit memory/accumulator before ending
>your assembly fragment.

I have to agree.  I also checked the Orca/C generated code even when
declaring the pointers to the keyboard as:

	volatile char *kbd = (char *) 0xE0C000L;

It still refuses to stick the machine into 8-bit memory mode (which it
should), even if it can get away with leaving it in 16-bit mode for
non-volatile accesses.

So, the conclusion is to use inline asm{} code, or link in an assembly
module or library which does it for you.
-- 
Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca   Try a 1-line .sig today.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: GScheme 0.5b posted to cba2
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:27:39 GMT

I just posted GScheme, a GS implementation of the Lisp dialect Scheme,
to comp.binaries.apple2.  GScheme is also available via FTP from:

Name:    pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu
Address:  128.174.240.84

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From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca/C Function Call Disasters
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:31:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Eric Shepherd writes:
>The problem is this: this routine crashes on exit.  Using strategically
>placed breakpoints, I found that the stack is in good condition immediately
>before the while loop, but during the while loop, stuff is being pulled
>off the stack -- including the return address from function1!!

Eric, ORCA/C uses a backassward stack frame model (IMHO) that can cause the
problem you encountered VERY easily.  In (most) compiler implementations, the
caller of a function is responsible for placing and removing and parameters
on the stack that it passes to the function.  In ORCA/C (and presumably Pascal)
the caller still places the parameters on the stack, BUT the called function is
responsible for removing these parameters BEFORE returning to the caller.

The problem with this is there must be an EXACT match between the SIZE and number
of parameters or upon return the RTL is missed and you end up crashing somewhere
not usually on the same planet as your code.

The reason that MOST compiler implementations DON'T handle this the way ORCA does
is that in the other implementation you can get a bogus result, but it takes a
bit more work to crash a machine.

On your problem, make sure that you have receiving variable for toolcalls with
results, that all you passed variables are of the proper size and that you have
the right number of variables in the arg list... One other subtile killer is a
format string in the printf() suite that doesn't match the SIZE (all your longs
long: %ld or %lx or whatever) or parameter count.

Hope this helps...
Marc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dfarber@serpente.eecom.gatech.edu (FARBER)
Subject: Re: Net Access?
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:15:03 GMT

In article <Bv1n7s.JF5@well.sf.ca.us> joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn) writes:
>A group member explained her situation as such: she works for a university
>and while everyone else on campus uses a Mac or IBM, she uses a IIGS.
>Everyone else on campus has net access, and can easily send net email and
>read newsfeeds, and do things like FTP. She alone cannot. When she asked why
>she could access the net, she was told something like "because she doesn't
>have TCP/IP" (or initials that are similar).
>So...what exactly does she need to join us here on the net? Any ideas?
>Joe Kohn

  Well, you've hit on a very weak spot in the IIGS software arsenal.

  TCP/IP (yes, you got the initials right) is the protocol that the
Internet uses to let us users do all the neat things we do. If you want
to hook _DIRECTLY_ onto the Internet, or any of the myriad of networks
that spawn from it, you MUST have a TCP/IP implementation.

  If you are dialing into a network, then you _ARE NOT_ directly
accessing the Internet. You're only connecting is a (ususally) VT100
protocol which lets the host manipulate your screen. TCP/IP, on the other
hand, makes all the necessary definitions so that 1) mail can be
sent/routed through your site, 2) Internet users can gain access through
the 'telnet' command, 3) Internet users can gain access to your files
through the 'ftp' command (both 2 and 3 can, of course, be tailored to
prohibit unwanted access) and 4) other things (I don't claim to be a
TCP/IP guru...yet.)

  There is no TCP/IP implementation for the IIGS currently. However, this
subject has popped up _several_ times in just the last month. Thusly, I
have decided to write a TCP/IP implementation for the IIGS so that the
IIGS isn't left out of the networking picture.

  I'd like to complete this project as soon as possible, but school has
just restarted here, and I'm still in the 'gathering info' stage. I'll
keep the net posted as I progress.

----Dave

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Hyper C on a II+
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:09:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I have collected all the files necessary to run Hyper C on my trusty II+ and
have verified that it works.

However, I have a problem...the _video_ does not work properly.  Before I
re-invent the wheel, does anyone have a patch or replacement file that will
fix the video for driving a Videx 80-col clone (Viewmax-80)?

Thanks in advance for your help!  Please send me email replies, because I 
currently don't have time to read the group (but I wish I could).

Curt

P.S. My disks work just fine on a IIgs, so the programs themselves are not
garbled.


Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: Sound files...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:51:09 GMT

SoundConvert's digitizer NDA supports HyperStudio, Sonic Blaster, Audio
Animator, SuperSonic, and FutureSound digitizing cards.


-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
 I dig: Apple IIgs, Rush, Tiny Toons, Ren & Stimpy, Dave Barry, David Letterman
  "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will" - Neil Peart