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From: henning@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Henning Pape-Santos)
Subject: Re: Expos 4, Mets 0
Organization: The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:32:14 GMT
Keywords: baseball, men's professional

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

> In article <bbn-metsU2AA430pe@clarinet.com> clarinews@clarinet.com (TOM WITHE
> >
> >	NEW YORK (UPI) -- Ken Hill upstaged Dwight Gooden's return and the New
> >York Mets' home opener Friday by firing a four-hitter to lead Montreal
> >to a 4-0 triumph in his first start as an Expo.
> 
> What about those METS!, huh?  What about that totally innocent Mets ace?

Thanks for asking. Despite losing it was a very good outing for 
the Doc, considering that this was his first ML appearance after
surgery last year. We are all happy to see that the Doc has 
recovered, and of course we are thrilled that his belief in the 
judicial system proved to be well founded.
 
I hope this answers your question.


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From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sierra and Clemente
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:31:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <204583@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes...
> 
>Besides, these don't really contradict any of the points I was making about
>Sierra and Clemente (which I've since moderated slightly).  Age for age, 
>Sierra has been a better offensive player than Clemente every year so far.

This is certainly true.  For whatever reason, Clemente didn't really 
distinguish himself while in his early to mid-20s.  However, I think it 
takes a fair leap of faith to expect Sierra's career to take off the way 
Clemente's did, putting up the kinds of seasons Clemente did at 33 and 34
years of age (he may not have to, but it pulls the comparison between
Clemente's career and Sierra's career projections closer together, at
least). 

What were the Brock2 projections on Clemente's career at age 25?  My guess 
is that he far exceeded them.

Bottom line is that Sierra may indeed look like he'll eventually establish
himself as one of the game's greats, but *at this moment* there still may
be reason enough for those Pittsburghers to tar and feather you, Dave...
;-) 

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From: s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE)
Subject: Least valuable players
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:26:00 GMT

While all of this talk centers around Alfredo Griffin and his recent shortstop
companions, there have been some truly atrocious players who were NOT light-
hitting, poor-fielding shortstops.  I give you:

   Leo Durocher, SS CIN + StL + BRO
      In 12+ years before he became a manager, Durocher managed to accumulate
   run values of -255 batting and -66 fielding.  Stolen base runs are not
   available (the NL didn't record CS for years) but he was 1 for 5 in one year.
   In all, he finished up with a TPR of -20.4!

   Rowland Office, OF ATL + MON
      An outfielder playing in Atlanta...with THESE numbers?  -70  -10  -61
   In 7+ seasons he stumbled his way to a TPR of -17.1!

   Lynn Jones, OF DET
      A backup outfielder his entire 8 year career.  How did he last that
   long?  One of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield.  -33 -5 -82
   Hey, this guy makes Rowland Office look like Clemente!  In all, he had
   a TPR of -12.5.

   Comparing these three by TPR/100 games, I find that Jones had a -2.37 per
   100 games played, Office a -1.9, and Durocher a -1.25.  All of these are
   worse than Griffin's -0.99 (thru 1989).  Making a run at the leaders is
   Todd Benzinger, who (thru 1989) put up -13 -5 -10 in 2.5 years, for a TPR
   of -5.1 (-1.44 per 100 games).  I don't have Total Baseball II, so I don't
   have 1990 numbers for anyone.

   The worst fielders among current players:  Carney Lansford  -151
                                                 Hubie Brooks  -113
                                                  Ernie Whitt  -78
                                              Candy Maldonado  -69
                                               Howard Johnson  -63
                                                Tony Phillips  -62
                              Honorable mention: Jerry Browne  -41 in 1989!

   Sorry I don't have the 1990 or 1991 numbers for anyone, if somebody gives
   me $50 I'll buy TB2.

Than Lee
From: jkl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (jon.k.lyons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Elster to DL?????
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:39:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Holmdel, NJ

> D. Scott Kitchen 
>> Laurence Golob 

>>Does anybody know the Mets plans concerning Kevin Elster?  ...
>>that he is headed for the DL. Is Pecota headed to short (how is he
>>defensively), Magadan back to third and Schofield to a back-up roll,
>>or will they be content to give up some hits for a better glove?

>... Tonight, Schofield
>started for the Mets after arriving only 20 minutes before game
>time.  And Pecota started at third, so it looks like they're going
>with defense until the bats heat some.

The local rag this morning (4/15) quoted Elster saying that his
arm hurts, and that it has hurt him for the last two years and
if he could play then why not now?  However, he sees the writing
on the wall and is now contemplating surgery.  Expect him to miss the
rest of the year.

On last night's "Mike and the Mad-Dog" sports talk show (WFAN, NYC),
Jeff Torborg stated that they got Pecota to play 3rd and not short.
Jeff also talked about playing with Schofield's dad, and about knowing
Dick since he was a kid  (Old boy network?  You get the players that
you know?  Nah, couldn't be.)
-- 
Jon Lyons                                            jon.k.lyons@att.com
AT&T Bell Laboratories                               att!jon.k.lyons
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From: frank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Frank G. Fiamingo)
Subject: Re: 1957 ebbits field ticket stub
Keywords: 1957 ebbits field ticket stub
Reply-To: frank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University (ACS)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:11:55 GMT

In article <2815@infinet.UUCP>, gdilger@infinet.UUCP (George Dilger II) writes:
|> Is a ticket stub from ebbits field dated august 7, 1957 worth
|> anything? It's in fair condition. I have an offer of $75.00 and
|> don't know if I should take it. I'm not a big baseball paraphernalia
|> fan.
|> 
|> I also have a ticket stub from the fifth game of the 1969 national
|> league playoffs. This is the game the mets clinched the division
|> against the braves.

I remember the Mets sweeping the divisional playoffs that year.  True?
They do say memory is the first thing to go :).

|> 
|> Are baseball game ticket stubs worth anything other then sentimental
|> value?
|> 
|> Anyone with advise or information please send e-mail.
|> 
|> Thanks

-- 

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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:42:58 GMT
Organization: Christopher Tate Appeasing Society, Inc.

(David "Met Envy" Tate) writes:

>Everyone loves to argue about MVP's, but I want to introduce a new concept:
>the LVP.  The LVP is the player who costs your team the most just by being
>in the lineup.  In order to avoid confusion (given that the very worst 
>players never make it to the majors at all), we'll make this a cumulative
>stat, so that a true LVP is LVP by virtue of being pathetic for long periods
>of time.  

>Player			Batting		SB runs		Fielding	Total

>???????????		 -269		  -22		  -32		-323

Dr. Dave, I expect more from you.  This can only be ONE man.  One
shining example of GM stupidity.

The Grifster.  Grif-Boy.  Fettucine himself.   The one and only worst
shortstop ever to play for several teams.  The man who defies logic in
terms of his reputation.  The one and only....

Alfredo "Kirschboy" Griffin.

>Dishonorable mention:  Frank DeMaestri, Chico Fernandez, Tito Fuentes, Chick
>			Galloway, Damaso Garcia, Mario Guerrero, Hal Janvrin,
>			Billy Martin, Eddie Brinkman, Dal Maxvill.

Can we give Maxvill extra credit for being a pathetic GM?


-- 
*   Gary Huckabay   * "If Gary Huckabay couldn't hit a baseball 500 feet,  *
* "Walks a helluva  *  he'd be of no use at all.  All he does is talk and  *
*   lot more than   *  drink.  It'd be nice if he could field, but that'd  *
*  Shawon Dunston." *  be too much to ask." - Pat Mustavus, Baseball Coach *
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball - The 'ME' SPORT (was Re: Bobby Bonilla)
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:35:30 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr9.143407.27025@linus.mitre.org> mmcevill@mitre.org (Michael A. McEvilley) writes:
>Who in baseball today would reduce their salary for the better of the team (as 
>Magic and Isaiah did for their respective teams)???

The two aren't comparable.  Basketball has a salary cap, and major basketball
stars make most of their revenue from endorsements, which means it pays for
them to be on a winning team.  (Their stats are better with better teammates
to a greater extent than in baseball, also.)
Baseball players can be stars without being
on a winning team, plus there's no upper bound to their salaries.
-- 
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From: shapiro-david@CS.YALE.EDU (David Shapiro)
Subject: Re: ????? Mookie Wilson
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:55:10 GMT

>>Mookie was traded to the Angels for Dave Gallagher over the break.
>
>How can this be?  The Mets just traded J. Valera to the Angels for
>Dave Gallagher.

Actually, Julio Valera was traded to the Angels for Dick Schofield,
replacing the (perennially) injured Kevin Elster.

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1992 forecast:
ChiSox 103-59 (WORLD SERIES CHAMPS)
Frank Thomas .320, 30 HR, 100 RBI, 1.200 OPS
From: sasrns@cossack.unx.sas.com (Neal Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:59:39 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasrns@cossack.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1306

In article <1992Apr8.210955.5426@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
|> Are Ken Harrelson and Tom Paciorek the only announcers on TV in the country
|> that do such obnoxious things as:
|>
|> say "Yess!!!" (so professional, aren't they)
|> say "He'll grab some bench" about twenty-seven times per game
|> say "You can put it on the board" like I control the scoreboard...
|>
|> Don't just say that they're on an independent station (WGN, SportsChannel
|> Chicago).  The ones on WTBS,KPLR, etc. are very professional and unbiased.
|>
|> We don't need cheerleaders, we want real announcers!
|>
|> Gary Blickhan


   I agree!  These guys are so biased.  I watch the O's on HTS and
they are generally very good.  They will at least give credit on a
good play.  Wimpy and the Hawk are jerks they don't even say anything
when someone from the other team makes a good play or hits a shot.

   I was watching one of their Spring Training (notice the caps)
games and they were giving the starting lineup and when they got around
to Ventura they started all this crap about how he should have gotten
the MVP.  I mean come on, he's good and I'm probably going to draft
him in RLB, but he's no Cal.


Later
Neal Smith


   "Opening Day should be a national holiday" - Neal Smith
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From: glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan)
Subject: Re: Chicago White Sox
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:39:42 GMT

PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.210004.3440@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
>glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:

>>>  	Well, the season has just started and I would like to make a few
>>>comments.  First, I would like to heartily thank Larry Himes, the Cubs
>>>GM for making a great trade, in my opinion, to help the White Sox.  People
>>>can say what they wish, but by getting George Bell for Sammy Sosa and Ken
>>>Patterson, I think the White Sox seriously ripped the Cubs off. Second, I
>>>just want to go on record saying that the White Sox are going to win the
>>>division this year, and probably the World Series. This is their year.
>>>						Matt
>>
>>George Bell went 0-5 (the Hawaii five oh) on opening day, but Sosa was
>>awesome against the Phillies.  The Cubs got a pretty good pitcher.
>>
>>Who ripped who off?
>>
>>Gary Blickhan
>>
>Hold your horses, Gary, was that Ken Patterson giving up 3 dingers to
>the Phils last night?  Yes!

>At the risk of sounding pollyannaish, in the Sox opener Bell showed me
>a lot by inside-outting an 0-2 pitch to the right side, sending Big Frank
>from second to third with only one out.  I wasn't prepared to see Bell
>exhibit such bat control (not to mention baseball savvy), so maybe we ripped
>those Cubbies off even bigger than we first thought.  Heh!  Now, if he keeps
>going 0-for-5 and grounding out to 2B with a man in scoring position, you
>can have him back, of course.  But that's about as likely as Sosa continuing
>his "awesome" hitting.  And hey, is LeFeeble nuts, batting Dunston and Sosa
>one-two?  Holy Cow!

>       Tom G.

Wow!  You just make me laugh.  I'm definitely *not* a Cubs fan!!!
You cheap shots on the Cubs missed the mark.  You are just creating more
tension between Sox and Cubs fans that I just don't really care about...

Gary Blickhan
From: ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets and Yankees
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:04:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.sx#v8y_

sfp1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Sven F. F. Pride) writes:

>In article <L1TcJB5w164w@banana.ithaca.ny.us> henning@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Henning Pape-Santos) writes:
>>
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>	Okay, enough is enough, as any true baseball fan knows, the only 
>real team you can root for if you live in New York is the Red Sox.

>					----Sven Pride

Well maybe feel sorry for the Red Sox! ( if you consider them a real team)



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>Eastern Conference
>Atlantic Division
>Team		 W	 L
>Boston 		50	31
>New York 	50	31
>				Tie Breaker Says: Celtics!
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>16 banners on the wall.
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>				Sorry, that just slipped out




Who really cares?


>Bring on the Blue Jays for another sweep

>	Clemens, Viola, Hesketh, Gardiner and Young?!?

Pretty pathetic isn't it! No wonder they'll get sweeped.


>	
						Da Sox!!!
>       

                                                    SUX!!!!
 
	
>(Asbestos suit activated) :-)
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From: s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE)
Subject: Re: Subjective trivia question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:03:00 GMT

I would have taken Dave Winfield or Don Baylor IF they hadn't decided to
lead their leagues in RBI's in 1979...but since they did, I'll take Tony
Perez.

Than Lee
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.185828.15010@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Speaking of the Hawk's experience...
>
>I don't have a TV, so I seldom catch Hawk & Wimp's act.  I would like to
>know whether Harrelson ever comments on-air about his brilliant decision
>to fire Tony LaRussa and replace him with Jim Fregosi.

	Nope, he never mentions that... ;-)  Because of the tremendous
	hoopla which surrounded the 1990 team, and Hawk's part in it,
	I think everyone has pretty much forgiven him (or has forgotten)
	for his "illustrious" tenure as Sox GM...

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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Re: LA Dodgers Envy  (was:NY MET ENVY)
Organization: /dev/elvis
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.013148.27112@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton "hear" yee) writes:
|>   But, begin a Giants fan, I have to admit the biggest envy
|>  is probably of Lasorda's Dodgers, who seem to have the bank
|>  account every year to buy a pennant.  

Oooh.  The seething hate the Giants fans have for the Dodgers just radiates from
Kenton's article.  I have to say I miss that great rivalry between the Red Sox
and Yankees.  It's just not the same with the Yanks stinking up the joint like
they have for the last 10 years or so.

Regarding the Dodgers and Giants, as an unbiased observer, I think the Dodgers
have spent their free agent dollars much more wisely than the Giants.  Bud
Black?  Dave Righetti?  Sure, the Dodgers have spent more money, probably
because they have more money.  This rarely guarantees success.  Look at the
Twins and Braves and then compare them to the Angels and Cubs with regards to
spending patterns.  The Giants have not done well in this regard at all.

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From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sabo out
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:29:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

you know, about 11 years ago, a guy on the astros kept complaining
 about injuries.  the press grilled him for saying that he had
 anything wrong with him - LOOK at the way he pitches
 when he's out there!  he's a jaker.  he doesn't play
 with true grit.  ad infitium.  

j.r. richard had a stroke that year...

- bob gaj
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: burger@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schlossberg)
Subject: Angels box?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 22:21:39 GMT

Hi.  I missed the box score from Saturday night's Angels-brewers game.  This
was won by the Brewers 5-4.  What I wanted to know was how Harvey and Eichhorn
did.  I have both of them on my team, and I believe they both gave up runs.
I saw some highlights which showed a few Angels errors.  So, could some kind
soul give me the lines for Harvey and Eichhorn in this game.

Thanks,
Scott
burger@leland.stanford.edu
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From: dittrich@aludra.usc.edu (MotrinMan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Will the Cubs ever make it......
Date: 6 Apr 1992 02:41:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <16454@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
 >Whan was the last time the Cubs ever won the WS or
 >atleast the NL-pennant.  

Please!  Why must you bring up such painful questions?  I cringe whenever I 
hear/read a sentence that begins with, "When was the last time the Cubs won..."
:-(       (and  :-)  at the same time)

But, hey, come Tuesday, NEXT YEAR IS HERE!
 
 >The Cubs are my favorite NL-team and hope they make it this
 >year.
 
AMEN, BROTHER!
 
 >1991 Twins...The greatest team ever.

Hmm... Is that why it took them sooo long to dispose of those pesky Braves?
:-)
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From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A status request
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:53:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr14.134425.5000@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux) writes:
>3. Any word yet on what Otis Nixon's status will be with the Braves when
>   his suspension is completed?  I know the original plan was to play 
>   Deion for a few weeks, then give it back to Otis upon his return;
>   however, with Prime Time playing so well (and being about 25 years
>   younger than Otis), I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever play as a
>   regular again.  Is he destined for the bench when he comes back?  Or
>   haven't they decided yet?

Considering Deion is HOT, then I would doubt taht he is on the bench until
he cools off or gets hurt.  Since Dave Justice went on the 15-day DL on
Sunday with a "stress reaction" (more below), then Lonnie Smith and Brian
Hunter will be spilting time until Otis returns.  I would expect to see
Otis in RF batting first and Deion in CF batting second - looks as though
Gant is in LF all season.  I am waiting to see what "everyone" says about
Deion's first slump of the season.  Addtionally, Deion appears to have a
slightly better than average arm - lets hope that he doesn't get bad
habits (or his head up his rear end) about making poor throwing decisions
like Dave Justice seems to be SO good at making.

Tuesday's Atlanta paper had this on Justice:
	"A stress reaction is commonly found in the feet and legs of runners
or in football linemen.  It is caused by excessive force being placed on a
specific area.  Different from a stress fracture, a reaction involves bone
thickening itself to compensate for the force."
	"This is the second time Justice has been disabled by a back injury
in less than 10 months.  Chandler (Braves' team orhtopedics specialist),
however, indicated he does not anticipate the problem becoming chronic."
	"`This is very positive for two reasons,' said Chandler. `First,
it gives us the reason for David's pain last season, and it also indicates
that this shouldn't be something that plagues David over his entire career.'"
	"... But Monday's examination revealed that the bone is virtually
healed.  Inflammation is believed to be causing the residual pain."
	"According to Chandler, the pain may recur periodically bu to lesser
degree."

As a Braves fan, I am just hoping that he is not the next Bob Horner! :-)

later,mike

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