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From: jnissen@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Future of the Vette
Originator: jnissen@jnissen.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:58:19 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division


In article <1h6a8bINNfrc@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.194001.45730@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2huxsilent@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> >My local newspaper (the Kansas City Star) had an interesting article about the
> >future of the Corvette.  It seems that GM has appointed a new head to the
> >Corvette department.  According to the article GM is considering closing the
> >Corvette Bowling Green plant and producing the next generation Vette on the
> >F-Body in Quebec.  As of now GM has not made a decision but it appears that
> >this is what the new department head wants.  Not that I have any major
> >arguements against GM doing this.  Let's be honest, the mid-80's Vette looked
> >like a two seat Firebird with a more powerful engine.  
> >My question is this:  If GM does this will they ditch the 4-wheel independent
> >suspension on the Vette or will this mean that all of the F-bodys will get
> >4-wheel independent suspension (which they have needed for a while)?
> >The article in the paper was not very informative, they were more caught up
> >with the history of the new department head.
> >
> >Just Curious ( of course curiousity killed the cat, or is that Vette?)
> 
> 
> Who cares?  Vettes suck.
> 
> Greg

Whoa there big fella.  Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed?  Vettes may
suck in your mind but they are one of the few cars around that can run like a	
scalded ape and still look good sitting still.  I don't own one but just admire
them from afar.  It would be a real loss if we lost the Corvette.  To bad the 
lawyers and the money grubbing insurance companies are making it hard for 
companies to produce vehicles here in America.
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Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
From: sam@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Sam Falkner)
Subject: Boycott (was Re: Question pertaining to the Cable Bill)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:43:15 GMT

mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:

>Speaking as a long-time continuing and still current subscriber to Cable 
>Televison, I sure wish somebody'd organize a massive boycott...

why wait for an organized boycott?  i dropped cable about two years
ago.  you should too.

sob story follows, so hit `n' now...

believe me, i was very addicted to cable, especially CNN.  but, my
cable company sucked, so i canceled.  i'd go into detail, but they were
probably no worse than anyone else's cable company.

at the time, i lived in the chicago suburbs, where there are many cable
companies, but you don't have a choice once you decide where to live.
i figured i would get cable when i moved into my next place.  i found
out that they all suck, so i've been doing without.

i just moved into a house, and it didn't have an attic antenna wired
(why bother putting one of those things in, when everyone has cable?).
i put up a temporary antenna, and i get CBS, ABC, sort-of get PBS, and
barely get FOX.  i don't get NBC at all, even though i believe i can
see the antenna from my house (i live in colorado springs, and it's on
cheyenne mountain, right?).  i'm not sure the antenna is properly
grounded; that may be the problem.

i plan on grounding the antenna better, and having an electritian run
wire throughout my house.  i might get a dish someday, but i don't have
very good southern exposure.  this situation really sucks.  i wish cable
companies would just be fair.  maybe someday there'll be competition,
but i'm not holding my breath.

i'd rather drink paint thinner than give my money to the US cable
industry in its current form.  i really doubt the 1992 cable act will
improve things, but i cheered when it passed, because deep down i hope
every silmy cable company goes bankrupt.  i know that won't happen, but
if everyone did what i am doing, they would.

boycott the US cable industry!

- sam
From: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell)
Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate
Subject: Re: Boycott (was Re: Question pertaining to the Cable Bill)
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:50:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec22.234315.1336@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>, sam@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Sam Falkner) writes...
>mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:
> 
>>Speaking as a long-time continuing and still current subscriber to Cable 
>>Televison, I sure wish somebody'd organize a massive boycott...
> 
>why wait for an organized boycott?  i dropped cable about two years
>ago.  you should too.
 Well, if all I wanted to do is free myself from the chains of the 
television, I'd do that in a heartbeat.  But as you know, the local 
operator and the industry wouldn't notice.

No, I have something in mind that will slap them up side the head and knock 
them off their high horses, if you don't mind the mixed metaphors.  And 
only a coordinated, large scale boycott would do that.

+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
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|  Peabody College at Vanderbilt University
|  Nashville, Tenn. Home of the Grand Ole Opry
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Newsgroups: alt.cable-tv.re-regulate,alt.tv.simpsons.itchy-scratchy,alt.tv.mst3k,alt.tv.bh90210,alt.tv.northern-exp,alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: muhamk@microsoft.com (Muhammad Karim)
Subject: TV shows Exporting
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:24:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Shows

I am interested in starting an exporting business of TV or
Video Production (TV & Comedy Shows, Movies & Mini TV series
or any other shows which can be televised in TV, half an hour
or longer).

If you are interested in exporting your video or TV production
or know someone who can help me out in this matter please forward
me his/her name.

Thanks for all the help and you can email me
at muhamk@microsoft.com

~
Newsgroups: alt.cad,alt.cad.autocad
From: coop@panix.com (Robert Cooper)
Subject: Parametric Modeling
Summary: What CAD systems support PARAMETRIC MODELING?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:22:27 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: CAD parametric modeling

We're an Architecture firm, and we are studying CAD systems. We
currently are using AES Model and AutoCAD version 11. We are thinking
of getting a new CAD system and while we have not put parametric modeling 
capabilities high on the list of necessary features, it would be 
interesting to see which systems (or applications) have implemented 
some parametric features. Does Microstation?

Any info would be useful.

Thanks
Robert

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coop@panix.com              |  its flow. If we don't, it will all end up 
212 309-9600 (Work)         |  in turbulence." Grace Hopper
From: amathur@thunder.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Alok Mathur)
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: Questions - Newsgroup for CAM/CIM, CAM-I
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:08:45
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: alt
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Hi !

I have a couple of questions and would appreciate answers through
email or a posting on this newsgroup.

Is there a newsgroup that discusses CAM/CIM issues or is alt.cad the
appropriate forum ?

Does anyone know the address for CAM-I (the consortium of companies
and universities conducting research on manufacturing technology), and
if CAM-I reports can be requested through them directly ? Can CAM-I be
reached through an email address ? 

Thanks a lot,


Alok.
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From: frank@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Frank Kok)
Newsgroups: alt.cad,alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Parametric Modeling
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:59:01 GMT
Organization: Baseline Labs. Eindhoven Holland
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Robert Cooper (coop@panix.com) wrote:
: We're an Architecture firm, and we are studying CAD systems. We
: currently are using AES Model and AutoCAD version 11. We are thinking
: of getting a new CAD system and while we have not put parametric modeling 
: capabilities high on the list of necessary features, it would be 
: interesting to see which systems (or applications) have implemented 
: some parametric features. Does Microstation?
: 
: Any info would be useful.
: 
: Thanks
: Robert
: 
: -- 
: Robert Cooper  Brooklyn, NY | "We have to learn to manage information and 
: coop@panix.com              |  its flow. If we don't, it will all end up 
: 212 309-9600 (Work)         |  in turbulence." Grace Hopper

Hello Robert,


Ever heard off the cad-system Visionael. The cad system has very nice
features. Here are some off the available:

        - Draft
        - Parametric
        - Partslist
        - Spreadsheet
        - Acces
        - Toolkit
        - Interface
        - Catalog
        - 3D


- Draft, The draft base-module gives you all the possibillities of a
         modern construction system.

- Parametric, All the construction details can be param. Even the
              alpha numeric information. The parametric module has
              been integreted with the draft module, so all the parametric
              information can be put with a pick off the mouse, no 
              programming any more  !!!!!!!

- Partslist, Partslist from one or more drawings can be generated,
             Also fully integreted in the draft module. Changing 
             for example something in the partslist will automaticly
             update the drawing and backwards.

- Spreadsheet, Fully integreted spreadsheet modula. For example
               the drawing can be joined with the spreadsheet, and
               so on.

- Acces, This realised the joining of Visionael with rdms such as
         Informix, or Oracle.

- Toolkit, Module for application development, such as Autolisp for
           Autocad, Language based on C.

- Interface, For communication with extern Cad/Cam systems, supports
             Iges, DXF, CGM, EGS, Mechanic, and so on. 

- Catalog , Conrols the standard norms, such as NEN/DIN for example.
            Also you can control with this module standarised comp.
            specifications. 

- 3D , A feature based solid modeller. Also as the 2D module fully
       param.


If you need more information, please give send me a message

             #####################################
             #          Frank Kok                #
             #          Sibeliuslaan 41          #
             #          5654 CZ Eindhoven        #
             #          The Netherlands          #
             #####################################

Visionael is a product of AGS, Advanced Graphics Systems 

Happy 1993,
   Best regards,
              Frank
From: jim.cunningham@almac.co.uk (Jim Cunningham)
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: Chortle-crf
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: jim.cunningham@almac.co.uk (Jim Cunningham)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

U >	Is there anyone interested in Toronto's approach to FPGA design us
U >      Xilink chip? If you are the one who is interested, please con
U >      me.

Not sure what the Xilink chip is but would be interested anyway.


*************************************
Jim Cunningham 
Luton 
Email - JIM.CUNNINGHAM@ALMAC.CO.UK
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Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: u7811021@cc.nctu.edu.tw ()
Subject: Chortle-crf
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:16:56 GMT

Hi, everybody,
	Is there anyone interested in Toronto's approach to FPGA design using
      Xilink chip? If you are the one who is interested, please contact with
      me.

--
Pillar
u7811021@140.113.4.17
National Chiao Tung University
Republic of China

Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: Chris.Lovelock@purplet.demon.co.uk (Chris Lovelock)
Subject: Just who is here?
Organization: FidoNet node 2:252/305 - The Purple Tentacle, Reading
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:12:00 +0000

Hello everyone,

I've been following this message area for a few weeks I get the messages
via a FidoNet-Internet gateway, whatever that is.  Sitting at my
AutoCAD computer in Leicester (UK), it strikes me that there isn't much
going on here.  I log on to the AutoCAD forum of Compu$erve every now
and again and there's always far to many messages to read.

So the question is: are there really on 10 - 15 messages posted here
every couple of days, or am I loosing some somewhere?  Are you getting
100 messages at once, or is this area just quieter than Compu$erve or
some of the FidoNet echos?

Also a silly question at the end of this message - are you receiving
this?!

Thanks, Chris...

p.s. This may be dated 18.12.92 but I only got round to sending it on
24.12.92 so that doesn't help the speed of replies does it!

.. Zoom Zoom...
From: MCNAMARAD@VSCNET.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: USS Enterprise (DXF from rel. 11)
Date: 29 Dec 92 22:18:00 GMT
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From:   IN%"MCNAMARAD%VSCNET.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu" 26-DEC-1992 23:44:21.90
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From: MCNAMARAD%VSCNET.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu (Dennis McNamara)
Subject: STREKDXF.ZIP - DXF format of Enterprise drawing for Autocad
To: MSDOS-Ann@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (MS-DOS upload announce)
Cc: MCNAMARAD%VSCNET.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Message-id: <5125.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil>
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen

I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

pd1:<msdos.autocad>
STREKDXF.ZIP    DXF format of Enterprise drawing for Autocad

This file is a DXF format of the Enterprise DWG format drawing that I
downloaded from wuarchive.wustl.edu.  It is a three view drawing for
Autocad (preferibly release 11) but with the DXF format it should be
compatible with any release, not mention other programs.

Many people were not able to use it in its original DWG format because
drawings are not downward compatible.  In this format many other people
should be able to use this drawing.

Please remember, I had nothing to do with the creation of this drawing,
I simply saved it as a DXF file and am uploading it to an FTP site.
Good luck.

Dennis
MCNAMARAD%VSCNET.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Carson Mansion DWG??
Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:01:31 GMT

I've seen ads for various ACAD stuff with the monitor displaying the
Carson Mansion. I figured this would be a 'freebee' as far as sample
dwg's, but I can't find it anywhere. Would somebody post it to a site
(such as the aforementioned AVALON.CHINALAKE.NAVY.MIL) or e-mail it
to me?

The mansion is an old Victorian era thing that looks like it's worth
a couple of million....

Thanks,
Jeff
From: kjv@exucom.com (Karl J. Vesterling)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: AutoCAD for Iris Indigo
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:33:58 GMT
Organization: ExuCom Multimedia Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]



	Anyone out there ever use AutoCAD on the SGI Indigo?  If so,
what are your opinions of it?

	Thanks...

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From: rogerb@pisco.esd.sgi.com (Roger Brown P.E.)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: AutoCAD for Iris Indigo
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:45:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Dec28.113358.10281@exucom.com>, kjv@exucom.com (Karl J.
Vesterling) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 	Anyone out there ever use AutoCAD on the SGI Indigo?  If so,
|> what are your opinions of it?
|> 

I have used it since its introduction.  We (SGI) offer a Bonus Software
package
that includes a GL-based display driver, three DXF file viewers, as well as
file convertors to bring DXF files into other applications on Indigo.  If
you are interested in the ultimate platform, consider any of the R4000
based machines as they run AutoCAD twice as fast as a similarly configured
R3000 machine.  Also, you should consider getting at least 24MB of RAM if
you intend to work with large drawings and/or multiple sessions.

We run the San Diego benchmark in 3 mins. on an R3000/33 and in 90 seconds
on an R4000/50.

Roger Brown, P.E.
Applications Consulting.
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:33:01 +0200
From:         Tomer Karin <s2808941@TECHST02.TECHNION.AC.IL>

                                   BUGS???
                                  ---------

Hi there!
I think i found 2 bugs in AutoCad R12 386 ,I tried it in both Release 12
and 12_c1 International on 3 different 486 dos platforms and had the same
results.

The first bug is when using the Diesels $(strlen..) , $(getvar...) and
one of the users1~5 autocad variables together
for example
(setvar "users1" "$(strlen,$(getvar,dwgprefix))")
and than type:
(menucmd "M=$(getvar,users1)")
i don't get the correct response like i get when i type (getvar "users1")
I also tried it with other autocad variables and it didn't give me the right
result either.
Those are very simple Diesel expressions and they don't work properly
that's why i think it is a bug.
I wonder if on other platforms Autocad does the same thing?

Another bug i found was when Autocad gave me an unfamiliar fatal error and
through me out without even asking me if i want to save my changes.
I don't know how ,and i didn't even find out what it means ,but
I "succeeded" to make the software write to me the following message just
before throwing me out:
"HEAPMGMT-heap error #6 <here comes a lot of noise..almost half screen full of
it>
cheap stack dump linked in => no dump.
Aborting..."

This happens when i load a certain menu that i made ,when i load it first
everything works allright ,but when i load the lisp file acad.mnl so i would
be able to work with Render and Model commands from the menu (the menu file
 doesn't have a .mnl file (lisp file for the menu) ) it happens just when
i try to use part of the menu that needs access to icon menu.
Does anybody know how to solve this problem?...meanwhile i am using 2 menus
instead of one.
Another thing that may be important is that i don't use any ADS program so
it isn't because of not managing memory correctly by any other application
but Autocad or PL dos extender.


Tomer Karin
Haifa,Israel.
s2808941@techst02.technion.ac.il

p.s
Merry Christmas and happy Chanuka to you all :)
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:24:36 PST
From:         "David G. Booth" <COM1BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      NET stuff

I agree with Dan Reed, I would like to see more Lisp files and
information relating to software use on this net. Lately, it seems
as all the notes posted relate to hardware and driver problems.
       I was beginning to wonder if the majority of subscribers on
this net were systems guys and programmers rather than Autocad users.
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: iscshc@nuscc.nus.sg (Kelvin Sung)
Subject: File format for Version 10?
Summary: 3D model format
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:20:14 GMT

Hi, I am sorry if this is a FAQ, I don't follow this news group
very closely. Can someone please email me the data file format of
autocad V10? Specifically, I am interested in knowing how to read
some of the "sample" 3D models that come with the autocad ditribution. 

Thanks for any help.


Kelvin Sung.
ksung@iscs.nus.sg
(Please email your reply)

Department of Information Systems and Computer Science
National University of Singapore
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: AutoCAD OS/2--> DOS
Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:56:25 GMT

The problem with ACAD is that the dpmi memory manager doesn't like the
DOS emulation...a patch has been posted on FTP-OS2.NMSU.EDU (Hobbes)
called os2acad.zip or something like that.

It's in the pub\os2\2.0\patches directory.

BTW, The fix is for release 12 (Which has the same memory manager as
r11) and requires the CSD be installed. If you don't have the CSD,
I strongly recommend it.

The readme file in the compressed source explains it.

Good Luck!

Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: wwilliam@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (Felipe Williams)
Subject: A question... (drawing in aacad)
Originator: wwilliam@araucaria
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:17:24 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile

Hi!
  I'm just starting to draw in AutoCad, and i have a question... (I
  think a bit stupid, but...)

  I want to draw a "3dface" with more than 4 points. How could I do that?

  Thanx for your reply and, ... HAPPY NEW YEAR !I

  Felipe.
  wwilliam@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl