HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,rec.arts.misc,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Art and Science Forum - YLEM
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:34:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: LOCKHEED, Sunnyvale, CA


	YLEM - Artists Using Science and Technology
	    announces their next forum:

		ART AND PHYSICS    

	Wednesday, January 6, 7:30 pm
	McBean Theatre, The Exploratorium
	3601 Lyon Street, San Francisco, CA
	Info: Trudy Reagan 415-856-9593

	YLEM Forums are free and open to the public.  YLEM is a 
	group of people interested in Art and Science.  Anyone 
	with an interest in Art and/or Science is welcome!
	Come and meet some like minded Artomata...  

	This is also a FREE NIGHT at the Exploratorium so come early 
	and enjoy the exhibits!

	THE PROGRAM:

		Leonard Shlain, MD
	
			Shlain talks on his book of the same name (Art and
			Physics), showing many examples that had to be 
			omitted from the book.  Later he will discuss the
			Origin of the Left Brain.  At intermission we will
			talk with artists staging an exhibit in the lobby -
			artists whose work ties in with the lectures.


	ART IN THE LOBBY:

		Eugene Tsui       :  visionary architecture.

		Ken Rinaldo       :  interactive interspecies art

		Carter Emmart     :  3-D computer art

		Trudy Myrrh Reagan:  art exploring science concepts

		Jeff Murray       :   of the Holography Institute, art that
					is applied physics

		Therese Lahaie    :  glass sculptor

	-- and more!


	YLEM
	Box 749
	Orinda, California
	94563
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: pel@maximo.enet.dec.com (Phillip E lujan)
Subject: Knightsrun: sequel coming up...
Reply-To: pel@maximo.enet.dec.com (Phillip E lujan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:29:53 GMT

Well, I certainly can't say that the a.c.c. group is standoffish.  I only
posted the story yesterday, and have already received 4 replies on E-mail.
Good criticisms have helped me to see the story better.  I'm happy with the
version I posted, and have some good ideas for the sequel...

For those of you who might not have sent me anything for fear of hurting my
feelings, please feel free.  After all, no-one ever got better at writing on
their own.

I agree with a lot of the comments, and I think the netrunning sequences will
get a little smoother, with fewer 'CLI' interruptions.  This was kind of a
test run, as it were...

Oh, well, gotta run.  Remember, please send me your criticisms; I want to be
a better writer than I am.

-------------------
Sean Roberts, working on Knightsrun: Part Two
Post it in a couple of weeks, if not sooner...
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: hgb@catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu (Hubert Bartels)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Monthly Archival Posting
Keywords: archives chatsubo
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:27:24 GMT
Organization: Optical Sciences Center


	A hail of bullets splatter against a concrete pillar. On the
other side, a cat-eared woman is clearing a stovepipe jam from her
Ares Predator. She grits her white teeth and works the pistol, trying
to eject the brass cartridge. She seems young. Kind of pretty, but not
pretty like a media star. Not short, but not tall either. Her eyes are
green in color, with vertical slits for pupils. Cat's eyes. A sharp, small
delicate nose. Adding to her feline appearance, her cat's ears poked through
long heavy blonde hair. Her hair rides halfway down her back. She is dressed
in black pants, grey blouse, heavy boots, and a long frock jacket with golden
braid on the front, somewhat worn at the elbows. 

	She suddenly looks up at the reader. "Hi, I'm Yukipuma. Whenever I'm
looking for past articles from Alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo, I use the Anonymous
FTP archives at {catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu}. IP # [128.196.206.60]."
	
	The spent casing tumbles from the heavy pistol. Yukipuma chambers
another round and straightens up.  "Files can be found in pub/chatsubo.
The back issues are divided into files, roughly corresponding to the time
that the articles where posted. However, in 1992, articles are filed by
article number (400-499, etc.)"

	When the gunfire stops, Yukipuma leans against the concrete pillar
and takes a deep breath. Then she jumps from behind the pillar and pops
off a succession of snap shots. From the darkness comes a scream of pain.
Yukipuma raises the pistol and blows off the thin wisp of gunsmoke. "Articles
are compressed, and up to date as of December 9, 1992," she says with a
smug smile. "If there are any problems, write to Hubert at the address below."

	The cat-earred woman begins to walk into the shadows. "Oh, and try to
restrict FTP'ing to evening and weekend hours," she will add, disappearing into
the darkness. "Or, I'll come visiting..."

--
Hubert Bartels          INTERNET: hgb@catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu
Optical Sciences Center (602)-621-2032
University of Arizona   "Uchi-ra wa Buaku-do no Annapuna to Yunipuma ya!" 
Tucson, AZ, USA 85721   "Senshatai Yaburetari!!" Annapuma & Unipuma, Dominion
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: STORY:  Knightsrun
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:43:45 GMT

  Not a bad start; interspersing the deck's local-display with the simsense
scenery seems to work nicely...
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Database access, how?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:38:37 GMT

Same here, I would love to know what all the credit people and the government
and such know about me.. So I can understand why sometings happen..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:53:09 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

9212.22 e.v.


Sean Eustis wrote:

Just in case you're wondering, I believe the current term is
Developmentally Disabled.


Response:

Nah, that is for people with physiological (or brain impaired) disfunctions.
(i.e. the mentally handicapped).

What is being talked about here are people who are the run-of-the-mill
Joe that is just to asleep to notice their own brainpan is exposed.
Do we wire him up and give him shock therapy or put him to bed with
a bottle??


Sean:

Answer, because it is garunteed not only by the bill of rights, but also
by a secondary nature of humans to look out for/U	B~ each other.
The reason that the elite don't crush the weak is because they are
neccessarry to provide a rescource of workers that make the products that
the masses buy that makes a profit, that trickles down to the masses and
then again back up to the elite.
It's real complicated and I've probably got it wrong.


Response:

The way you describe this the 'worker class' is a bunch of cows that must
be kept protected so that the fields get plowed.  The reason that the
fields need to be plowed is to support the farmer who feeds the cows
and makes a profit from the sale of seed.

This is indeed rather simplistic.

Consult your nearest Libertarian Party office.


Thyagi
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (repressing reality)
Subject: The FutureCulture Cyberography :: NewYears93
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:30:45 GMT


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From: akins@gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:55:11 GMT

In article <qZP6VB4w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>
>Why don't people have a right to be stupid?
.
>Aren't we, by supporting the naturally stupid ones, hampering our
>evolution?  Isn't natural selection _supposed_ to weed out the weak,
>unfit members of the species?
.
>Why must we protect people from themselves?  What does it gain the
>the many to protect the one?
.
.
I agree.  Isn't this one of the tenants of Anarchism.
No government and consequently no laws should exist.

Any necessary cooperation among people will come from necessity 
(ie: the smart ones figuring out what they need and the stupid
people dying out as they fail to adapt)

In other words, legalize murder and be smart enough
to carry a gun.

As Ben Franklin said, "Anyone who values temporary safety 
more than personal freedom, deserves neither safety nor freedom"

-greg   -> akins@cis.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Cyberpunk Future, Illuminati (grin)
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:53:33 GMT

I think I like neither, but I like the later better..

But I think both will happen, the first will be nice and flashy, and will
probably would die quickly and will affect some and pass from the earth.

The later will probably last longer and might be as popular as the Illuminati.. 

IT is better to work from the sidelines and in secret than in the open, after
all how can you kill or supress somethign that "offically" does not exist..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:30:10 GMT

Question all: Where can I get a copy of Mondo 2000 and is it really worth it.
I live here in Nome, Alaska (next door to Siberia/Russia) and we are at times
behind the times (odd word reversal).. 

So can anyone send email to me on subscription ideas, comments, exerps, critics
and such and a address to get Etext or snailmail live text..



Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: steve@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve (PrettyBoy) Barclay)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?+
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:25:30 GMT

Can anyone recall exactly what the quote was from Heinlein, and in what
book?  It was something along the lines of:

"Stupidity has it's own punishment.  The sentence is death, and it is carried
our immediately, without opportunity for appeal."

Steve
steve@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca

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From: rich@astro.umd.edu (Rich Puchalsky)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?+
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:29:19 GMT
Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy

This is probably a mistake, but I'll try to respond to the original
subject of this thread...

Let's say that you are an intelligent, cryberpunk-wise person and you
know how to protect yourself vs. all manner of phone line and data
line privacy invasion.  It probably took you a good deal of time to
learn how to do this.  Do you still feel capable of single-handedly
protecting yourself from:

   The utility company charging you excessive rates?
   The car company that makes your car skimping on safety features?
   Insurance policies that don't protect you due to obscure clauses?
   Toxic emissions from the nearby factory that you don't even know about?

Etc.  The point is that even an intelligent person would be spending
all of their time protecting themselves from all of the different ways
that businesses have of ripping you off, even if they knew how to protect
themselves.  I certainly don't want to spend my time working on all of
these different things.  That's why we have government consumer protection
regulation and, for you libertarians, we also have consumer protection,
environmental, etc., groups that directly represent citizens.

That's why I think it's reasonable to have laws protect even the "stupid"
people who don't know that they can block giving out their phone number
to every business.
From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Slipstream PoMo and Second Generation Cyberpunk
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:52:46 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (obi-wan kenobi) writes:


 [Nice but rather jargon-filled summary of Cyberpunk to date snipped]
> Summary:  Caller ID is wank.  Let's change the prevailing gestalt of
> conversation to a more subjective philosophical examination of the new
> hyperreal.  
> 
> Rave on and rant off.
> 
> --
> 
>     ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
>     ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 

  You're right, Caller ID _is_ wank.  I've been hiding out in 
Alt.Cpunk.Tech for months now because of stuff like that.
   The real question is, where do we go from here?  Looking back ( as 
everyone seems to be doing in the 90's), Punk left it's mark on a whole 
generation of people and then almost disappeared from the planet.  
Cyberpunk is growing and maturing, but to what end?  Where do we take it 
from here?  We have this wonderful new toy with which we can wreak sever 
havoc, benificail or otherwise, on society.  Do we dare use it?  Do we 
really want the cliched Teeny-bopper swaying around to Industial-Country 
music and swooning at the sight of Liquid Crystal ( A'la the Fashion bit 
in M2K's newest issue...)  Bodicies?  It could be fun, but do we really 
want to go to all of the trouble?  
   There is another posibilty in sight, we, as cyberpunks, could go the 
way of the SCA and certain Secret societies, satying in the background 
and using subtle pressure to keep humanity away from the `dark future', 
and to have really neat-o techie toys made for us.  
   I'm not biased either way, but both do sound interesting.
  /// & ///

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Kicked/the last time he came down slumming/He had the balls to come/the 
gall to die/and forgive us/No, I don't wonder why/I wonder what he'ld 
thought it'ld get us.    --- Concrete Blond, Tommorow Wendy
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From: strider@mind.ORG (Chris Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Guide to the New Edge
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 02:26:25 -0500
Organization: Fortress Development HQ

Has anyone been able to check out the new Mono 200 book? "The Mondo 2000 
Guide to the New Edge?" I saw it at the local Bookstrore but When I got 
back to look at it they had all sold out :(. Was it (is it) worth the $20 
bucks they were asking for it?

            Strider
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the original k-r0dent)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Books..
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 06:01:53 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, dsra@netcom.com said about 'Cyberpunk Books..':
|nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
|
|>Can anyone suggest a good printing house or book store to order
|>cyberpunk/cyberspace/VR books from?
|>Email me at the bottom address:
|
|
|>Michael Adams
|>Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
|>nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
|
|Yes, as a matter of fact I can.
|Mark Anderson
|2430 Agnes Way
|Palo Alto, CA 94303
|(415) 424-1984

Not in any particular order, but I do suggest you try Ziesing....

PS-This is about .001% of the info contained in The FutureCulture FAQ...

Mark Ziesing Books
PO Box 76
Shingleton, CA   96088
800.869.0348
916.474.1580
       -mail-order cp/sf book service
       -send $1 for a catalog
 
Cyberpunk Books
Prince St. Station
PO Box 96
NY, NY   10012
       -write for a list
 
Re/Search Publications
70 Romolo Street #B
San Francisco, CA 94133
       -underground/fringe subject matter magazine publications
       -sex, cyberpunk, industrial and alternative lifestyles
 
Paladin Press
PO Box 1307
Boulder, CO 80306
       -obscure books
 
Media Magic
PO Box 507
Nicasio, CA   94946
415.662.2426
       -books, videos, merchandise related to vr, cyberspace
 
Loompanics, Ltd.
PO Box 1197
Port Townsend, WA   98368
       -carries a large collection of underground/hard-to-find books
       -send for a catalog
 
Books by Phone
Box 522
Berkeley, CA   94701
800.858.2665 (orders)
510.548.2124 (info)
        -large library of hard-to-find books related to CP, drugs, etc.
         nice resource, but you pay a lot for it :-)
 
Autonomedia
55 Sotuh 11th Street
NY, NY   11211
       -edge/post-modern publishing company
 
Amok
PO Box 861867 Terminal Annex
Los Angeles, CA   90086-1867
       -hard to find/underground books
        catalog is $9 (400 pages)
 
Skyline Books
PO Box T
Forest Knolls, CA     94933
       -beat-generation, counterculture, and pomo literature
 

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From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller Block, Complete House Control.
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:56:38 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.cyberpunk, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>I wonder if you can set it up so that you can program your phone for numbers
>you do not want to recieve from. After all if the phone tells you what number
>is calling, why can't you set it up to filter out known obnoxious numbers..

I just saw a caller ID box for sale at Sears that does just that.  I assume
you have to get them to call you before you can block the number - i.e.,
you can't just program-in the number.

And the local phone company sells a call block service that also does this.
When you use the service from the phone company, I believe the person gets
a recording telling them the call was blocked.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: GORDONKA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: Scam
Organization: Conspiracy M.E.D.I.A
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:07:09 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

   I've seen this file, or variations of it, on several BBS in the
Nashville area, and quickly deleted it when it was U/L by some kid
onto my board. This "send $1" scam has just gone high-tech within 
the last year...I have been getting letters on variations of this
scheme, all "completely legal" for years now, claiming that you're
just "creating a mailing list"...it's just another chain letter...
same old song, just a new title...

The Reverend Keith A. Gordon


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Phone/SSN and Danger
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:19:34 GMT

What I can see in the future is that your phone number will be the same as your
Social Security Number, and that you will have it were ever you go, so no
matter where you are you will be found and called.. Especially if the total-net
comes about. Total-net is where all transactions are handled thru a central
databank, therefore if you geta  room in Kuwait, your location will be
identified and all calls to you willbe sent to your physical location nad not
your home, since you are not at home.. Sorry if my vision is unclear, I get
wierd ides at times.. Maybe in the future you will have to identify yourself by
either retina, finger or by your phone/social sex number to use a phone so
therefore the person on the other end will know who you are, even if they don't
know you.. Imagine a world were someone always knows where you are? Auswitz
here we come..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth or Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: snarf@access.digex.com (Sean Eustis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:22:29 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <qZP6VB4w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>A point raised in the CNID thread has got me thinking.  That's always a
>dangerous condition, but I'll try to survive it.
>
>So, let me ask ya something...
>
>Why don't people have a right to be stupid?
>
>We have equality guaranteed for purposes of race, national origin,
>religion, and in some cases, sex and even sex preference.  We have
>opportunity guaranteed to even the most (oh, what's the PC term for it?)
>"challenged" of our citizens.

Just in case you're wondering, I believe the current term is
Developmentally Disabled.

 >We won't let people be stupid.  What's the deal?
>
>Aren't we, by supporting the naturally stupid ones, hampering our
>evolution?  Isn't natural selection _supposed_ to weed out the weak,
>unfit members of the species?
>
>If Joseph Q. Six-pack is not bright enough to realize he's handing out a
>phone number, so what?  He might also drive without a seat belt.
>(that's against the law)  He might also smoke cigarettes.  (a prime
>example of a genuinely stupid thing to do)  He likely doesn't make the
>connection between the misspelled name on the TV Guide, and the similar
>misspellings in 60% of his junk mail.  In short, this is not a together
>person.
[stuff deleted to conserve time and bandwith]

Answer, because it is garunteed not only by the bill of rights, but also
by a secondary nature of humans to look out for/U	B~ each other.
The reason that the elite don't crush the weak is because they are
neccessarry to provide a rescource of workers that make the products that
the masses buy that makes a profit, that trickles down to the masses and
then again back up to the elite.
It's real complicated and I've probably got it wrong.

 >  [portions of the
preceeding program were
brought to you by caffiene withdrawl symptoms]
 
I thought it might be.    :-)
Mine is a messed up sleep schudule.

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In VR -- The Dreamweaver		In RL -- Sean Eustis
						snarf@access.digex.com
"God never closed a door without
 first opening another."