HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Alt.peeves FAQ
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:39:17 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University

nolan@twg.com (His Majesty, The Policeman) writes:

>In article <28124@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>[inane excreta from transatlantic academia deleted]

ObScotsPubReply: C'mere and say that JIMMY!

>Sheesh! Such a waste of bandwidth I've not seen in ages. Get this stuff out of
>here and into some other group where it belongs - like news.announce.newusers!

Congrats dude, you finally figgered out how to get past
news.announce.newusers

Unfortunately, being big in news.announce.newusers doesn't cut it here.
best you go back there for a while.

Send my regards to Emily Postnews.

>--
>Nolan "Ain't got time to FAQ around" Hinshaw

well FAQ off then.

>  Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	

Precisely.

FoFP

-- 

We wonder why other folks regard computing people as weird while we
persistently refer to small, square objects as "discs".
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Lord Yak Da Hairy)
Subject: Re: Debugging the group
To: alt.peeves
Posted-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16: 26:15 GMT
Organization: EAT MORE SPLEEN!
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:26:15 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14: 08:31 CST
Via: uk.ac.sussex.syma; Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16: 36:15 +0000

In article <1992Nov17.185239.27473@twg.com> nolan@twg.com writes:
>Follow up to this article with your opinion (one line, please, in the holy
>name of bandwidth) of his "contributions." If the vote favors him, so be it.If
>not, then I have a proposal for a solution.

Round 'em up... put 'em in a field... and BOMB THE BASTARDS!

-- John Yeates (Lord Yak Da Hairy) --------------- johny@cogs.susx.ac.uk --
-- "Be a geezer - put grasshoppers in your freezer!" - The Mystery Chefs --
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky)
Subject: Re: Landlord Peeves!! (was Re: JENNY'S LES
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:59:10 GMT

charless@sco.COM (Charlie Stross) writes:

>The lavatory consists of a hole in the floor; you can see the muddy waters
>twelve feet below. [...]

this should be very effective at avoiding the dreaded backfire ...
on the other hand, inspection toilets work very nicely for this, 
thank you very much, with the obvious added benefit alluded to in the name.
besides, who *doesn't* love the smell of one's own shit? 

-alex (i know, wrong newsgroup)

-- 
Alexander Vrchoticky             alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
TU Vienna, CS/Real-Time Systems  +43/1/58801-8168
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,rec.motorcycles
From: nolan@twg.com (George Patton)
Subject: Re: Clearly the VICTIM OF LIBERALISM!!!!
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Third Armor Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:13:23 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.222513.25556@wetware.com>, drieux@wetware.com 
(drieux, just drieux) points up an ambiguity in an article of mine - 
lovely flame, dearie:

Hold on thar yerself, Sonny. Self propelled armor's protected. I wasn't
talkin' about that. My point was about the unarmed self propelled projectiles
coming off yer typical showroom floor at the mall.

	ps: I still say that a soviet ZSU-4-23 makes a lovely
	duck hunting blind....

Ah, yes. the blind with the built-in projectile projector. A lovely piece of
work, and quite comfortable during a long siege^H^H^H^H^H stakeout in the 
marsh.

--
Nolan "Tanks a lot, folks" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich)
Subject: Re: And just what the fuck do Canuks know about beer?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:42:05 GMT

In <Bxvtop.ApI@cs.dal.ca> dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:
                                                      ^^^^^

>And one from me...

>	How can you tell if someone likes Moosehead?

>	By the antler marks on their thighs...

The irony here did not escape me.  And I am told I am slow to catch on.
--
No, you do not know me.
Yes, I KNOW I look like someone you know.  - Bill Berbenich, net.hedonist
From: banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: And just what the fuck do Canuks know about beer?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 07:25:48 GMT
Organization: Sun, Moon, and Stars
NNTP-Posting-Host: abingdon

(Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:
>1024K
>
>286 AWARD BIOS 3.03
>
>KEYBOARD ERROR
>PRESS F1 TO CONTINUE

Beeg Deel.  You got 4 error messages and you think it's a joke?

Sheesh.

drew
banta@abingdon.sun.com
--
".....what I was encouraging women to do is to
get a life, not necessarily a career. I think
a career is a poor substitute for a life."
                                               -- Germaine Greer
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Veteran's Day
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:46:12 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

franklin@thans.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:

>p.s. "so richly deserved"? Are you going to tell me there isn't one of you
>that goes to curtis' school that wouldn't like to punch his lights out? Or
>are you all draft-dodging peaceniks with no perspective of REALITY? Eden's
>gone baby... Welcome to the real world

Like, what year is it man? I was just groovin' to that new beatles
album, Leitenant Pepper or something and the flashbacks hit.....

Huh? It's 1992?

Like, cosmic man. Wow. Time-travel.

So, did we Take Over? No? They all dropped back in huh? What about Tim?
IBM? You're kidding right? So tell me we at least got out of Vietnam.
1975? And we lost? Well, that's good anyway, at least Nixon will be out.
Watergate? Gordon LIDDY?? Ronald Reagan? The ACTOR? No, I musta missed
that film too. George Bush? Who's he? No moonbases huh? A HOLE in the
atmosphere? We were RIGHT about the spraycans? Jeese, is this a bad one...

Still, at least it looks like someone else is still in the sixties too....

-- 

We wonder why other folks regard computing people as weird while we
persistently refer to small, square objects as "discs".
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Dalhousie anti-peeve
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:17:03 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


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[Type space to continue] 


-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

"I have to scan these posts in case Jeremy includes some line
out of context in his .sig" - FriendOfFernandoKhomeini.
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Take up a hobby, instead
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:22:37 GMT
Organization: The Autodesk Menagerie - Housecat Division

In article <BxvwxF.EM1@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>Bill Berbenich writes:
>
>>I just came across a book that may be of interest to Tim and to others.
>>
>>_I_Worship_The_Very_Dirt_She_Treats_Me_Like_
>
>I'd be interested in seeing it.  Not speaking wholly for myself,
>why is it that decent guys, when not totally ignored, get treated
>with all the consideration of a used Kleenex while complete jerks
>have women fawning over them?


"I am a nice guy. I don't have a girlfriend. 
He has a girlfriend. I seethe with jealousy, hate his guts and think
			he`s a jerk.
Ergo. Guys with girlfriends are jerks."

Peeve: Bad reasoning.

Peeve: Some very nice men are shy. They don't ask women out because
they are shy. Then they wonder why they don't have girlfriends.

Peeve: Some very boorish men are so insistent that you either have
to club them with a MagLite or go out with them and act like a total
dweeb to get them off your case.

> This place was a classic demon-
>stration of how many women consistently choose losers.  Every day's
>conversation in the lunchroom brought the latest update on what a
>particular loser had done.  One woman openly debated on whether she
>should get back together with her boyfriend, now that he's getting
>out of jail, because he didn't have a job.  And he takes drugs, he
>beats her, and he steals.  Hmm.  Tough choice, eh?  Admittedly, that
>was the extreme case, but the others complained either about their
>guy being an alcoholic, beating them up, or whatever.

Theories:

Women are less likely to indulge in this kind of destructive and 
	self-destructive behavior and are less likely to be the
	topic of such discussions.
Men don't care as long as they "get some".
Women care a lot more about how their partners behave than men do.
Men don't want to think about it, as long as they "get some".

>
>So why do women choose to live with these guys?  My theory is that

Its the law of averages. Some sage from years ago said that a good
man is hard to find, but a good woman is too easy to find.  Since
women cannot figure out how to turn themselves into dykes or tolerate
living in a good man's harem, they have to make do with what they have.

--
"God must hate the common people because he made them so common."
					-Philip Wylie

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: Franklin's moronic drivel on sports
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:27:27 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.200800.19889@cas.org>, esp51@cas.org () writes:
[deletia]
[it's about that halifaxian disease in the subject line]

        to the peevetown barn door.  Of course, since your quark
        sized testicals have already been nailed to the rafters
        of Jenny's saloon, we'll have to think of some other
        appendage, mabey your ears.

I'll bet he's never scrummed.


--
Nolan "Rugby takes leather balls" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: antipope@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (charless@scol.sco.com)
Subject: Re: Broken hand peeve
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:26:27 GMT

russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.051213.28823@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes:
> >You know things are bad when a peever starts following-up to his own
> >postings, but...
> >
> >One definite Anti-peeve about the whole "injured hand" bit is that now
> >that my right hand is a bit gimpy I am finding out who my friends
> >REALLY are!
> 
> C'mon, Bill, you're hardly walking wounded with your hand.  Maybe if
> after catching the puck you'd had broken bones protruding from the 
> skin, but a bruise isn't enough for a real whine.
>
Naah, you guys have it easy. Let me tell you about _real_ hand
trouble. Real hand trouble is when you are born with a mild
skin condition and spend the next twenty-five years on a solid
course on the most powerful topical steroid preparations known
to medical science. What starts as dry skin and a rash escalates
as the palms of both hands, and some of the fingers, are reduced
to the state of scar tissue -- thin scar tissue. If you wash your
hands with soap, your skin dries to the consistency of parchment
and bits of your hands drop off. If you lift something heavy
with edges sharp enough to leave visible grooves in your hand,
you bleed through your skin over the next week. If you use the
wrong detergent, it feels like your hands have been immersed in
a tank full of Mace or CS or some other vesicating agent.

You know you've got Real hand trouble when you go through a week
when your hands resemble bleeding lumps of raw flesh on the ends
of your arms, and it's an improvement over the week before
because none of the open sores are more than an inch long or a 
quarter-inch deep. And then you get carpal tunnel syndrome on
top of it all ...

(Have a nice sprain! :)

>>> Charlie "ouch, there went another finger" Stross

 
-- 
Antipope -- HE gives you Bull, I give you the Straight ... er ....
From: ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: False economy
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:55:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>What a lot of people don't realize is that when you call someone, the ringing
>you hear is *not* their phone!  The ringing you hear is generated internally
>by your own phone's circuitry; the phone company is not going spend billions
>of zorkmids for special cicuitry to route the callee's ring signal back to
>you -- your phone "knows" that the other phone is ringing and thus generates
>a ring for you to listen to, but you do not hear the actual ring of the other
>phone. 
>-Dave

Wait... when you call different countries, you DO get different
rings. The generic "phone ringing" sound is different depending on
what country you are in, as are the various sounds like the busy
tone and the dial tone. When I call Japan, I hear Japanese phone
ringing noise - which is QUITE different from US phone ringing
noise. I might not be hearing the ringing of the phone in the house
I'm calling (in fact, I'd definitely doubt this) but I am not
hearing MY phone either. I think it's generated somewhere in
between. Once I dial the country code for Japan, all the sounds etc
are generated by NTT (Nippon Telephone and Telegraph) and not ATT, I
think. 
	Maiko Covington ee152fdm@sdcc15.ucsd.edu
From: carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Take up a hobby, instead
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

In article <17958@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>In article <BxvwxF.EM1@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>>Bill Berbenich writes:

[...]

>> This place was a classic demon-
>>stration of how many women consistently choose losers.  Every day's
>>conversation in the lunchroom brought the latest update on what a
>>particular loser had done. 

[...]

>Theories:

>Women are less likely to indulge in this kind of destructive and 
>	self-destructive behavior and are less likely to be the
>	topic of such discussions.
>Men don't care as long as they "get some".

Fact:  People who lead normal well-adjusted lives are not very
interesting topics of conversation.  Why would any woman want to
tell her friends about her boyfriend who spent all last night watching
TV with her, then they went to bed?  For all the conversations about
jerks you hear, there are plenty of other women who are talking about
their cats or houses or cars or children, because the guys they are
with are just not very exciting to talk about.

Peeve:  Women with nice boyfriends who *do* talk about them, to
excess.  After the 5th or 6th time he gives you flowers, picks you
up at work on Friday for a weekend in Tahoe, or spends the night at
the vet with your cat, your friends are now all convinced that the
guy is either a saint or some kind of weird pervert (if you watch
enough horror movies...).  You can move along to other subjects of
conversation, which unfortunately with these sorts of women is often
how perfect their kids are, how great their car runs, how much they
enjoy their exercise class, or some other saccharine drivel.

At least there isn't any of *that* kind of talk on this newsgroup.

-carol


-- 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Carol Osterbrock     | "Thou art a villain."
                        |       "You are--a senator."
  carolo@cse.ucsc.edu   |  -W. Shakespeare   (Some things never change)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky)
Subject: Re: I see London, I see France (Re: the Devil's Day
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:27:36 GMT

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

>I saw a jacket yesterday that had the tag on the outside, under the
>collar.  Yes, it looked every bit as stupid as it sounds.

it gets worse than that: last week i happened to lean at a bar, talking
with friends, when i noticed the jacket the guy next to me was wearing.
emblazoned in gold stitches over the entire back of the jacket were 
the words:

       KENN COUNTY
    MEN'S SPORTS CLUB
        CHEVIGNON

so, not only is this guy running around as a walking billboard for 
a clothing company, he also is a sports freak? 

peeve: not knowing where kenn county is.

anti-peeve: turning to the guy for edification.

peeve: he didn't know either. 

it makes me wonder how many of the people who wear that stuff ever
read what it says. 

-alex

-- 
Alexander Vrchoticky             alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
TU Vienna, CS/Real-Time Systems  +43/1/58801-8168
From: banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Mis-used of turn signals & other stuff
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:15:06 GMT
Organization: Sun, Moon, and Stars
NNTP-Posting-Host: abingdon

(Jenny Gutbezahl) writes:
>Now Mike LOVES his car.  I'd venture to say he expends more time
>and energy on that car than on his sun.  

Another one of those people who think the universe revolves around
him?

>Jenny "Call me a cab, thanks" Gutbezahl

You're a cab.  You're welcome.

drew
banta@abingdon.sun.com
--
"Sears *does* make good on this guarantee.  I knew a guy in college who welded 
a Craftsmen socket onto a piece of small pipe to make a classy pipe for smoking
dope.  When the socket eventually got clogged with resin, he took it back and 
Sears gave him a new one -- no questions.  *That's* service!"  -ed falk
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: ME SIR! I KNOW! (Was: Frequently Unanswered Questions)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:17:31 GMT


	Oh, boy: QUIZ TIME!


<In article <Bxo8Mr.LrE@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:

<In addition to frequently asked questions are the frequently unanswered
<ones:
<
<	   1. Why are there so many Andrews in alt.peeves?

	It's a temporary phenomenon induced by Brownian-motion-
	posting.

<	   2. Why is Booter called that?

	It should be obvious to the most casual observer.
	I mean, ObGeeze, *I* figured it out, so ANYONE can.

<	   3. Why does l "guess what (GSFC) means" p rarely post more than
<	      two sentences?

	Attention span?

	Wait, what was the question, again?


<	   4. Why are firearms, racing, and high-performance aircraft better
<	      than sex?

	Who sez they are? Oh, THOSE people? Hey, they're all over
	40....hint, hint.

<	   5. Where have you seen Bill Berbenich before?

	On the Post Office wall. I forget what the reward is for,
	though; is it "wanted" or "UNwanted"?

<	   6. Why is 1066 the source of all peeves?

	Guilt by association with 1076. It's all the FBI's 
	fault.

<	   7. Is Steve Franklin really R?

	It depends; is he related to Jim Franklin?

 
	I hope this is graded on a curve....
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Veteran's Day
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:02:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov16.114454.6269@merlin.comlab.ox.ac.uk> library@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Gordon Riddell) writes:
>In article <Bxp14z.M31@news.iastate.edu> z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson -- Agro-Barbarian) writes:
>>
>>	Let me give you a very simple simulation of a night carrier landing.
>>In your living room, place a stamp face-down on the floor.  Back up fifteen
>>feet, turn off the lights.  Now dive face forward and lick the stamp with
>>your tongue as you hit the floor.  If you licked the stamp, you've just
>>successfully completed a night carrier landing.  If you failed, you should
>>now run a motorcycle up to about 120mph, set yourself on fire, and jump off.
>>This should simulate fucking up a night carrier landing.
>
>I take it they're difficult then, these night landings?

Hell, he forgot to add that the postage stamp shold be stuck to
a spinning turntable, during an earthquake.

No, I've never done one, but I have a family friend who flew in
the Korean war...His descriptions of carrier operations are
surely entertaining.

I found out later that he had several "kills"...He *never* talked
about those though. Quiet little man.

Peeve:I always wanted to fly a jet fighter...Perhaps I can
buy a surplus soviet fulcrum or something?

Regards, Charles
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: esp51@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: The Problem With Stevie (Was Re: JENNY'S LESSON IN FLAMING)
Keywords: I HATE DICKHEADS
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:02:08 GMT

 (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
 (Jenny Gutbezahl)
>writes:
>
>>Mike H., perhaps you should add to the FAQ: "How do you solve a problem
>>like Steve Franklin?  What is the proper means of disposal of a poor

Following is sung to the tune "How do you solve a problem like Maria",
a song from "The Sound of Music", Alex's favorite musical, staring
Julie Andrews and sung in the movie by a group of sexually deranged nuns.

How do you solve a problem like Steve Franklin,
How do you catch a fart and pin it down,
How do you solve a problem like Steve Franklin,
A will of the whisp, a cyst on your butt, a clown.

Many a thing we try and try to tell him,
But every clue bounces off his cromagnum skull,
What idjit gave geek Stevie network ascess,
He ought to be squicked, and disemboweled quick, with some
rusty object that rhymes with skull (sorry, mabey butterknife dull?)

Third Nun:  I'd like to say a work on his behalf,
	    Stevey is a worthless sap.
	    He spews forth playground gaff.
	    At him he makes me laugh. (this is getting bad quick)

End of song.  It goes on, but my memory fades.
Scott Park
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl)
Subject: Re: Debugging the group
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:10:18 GMT

Make him go away.  Please God, there is enough misery in the world.


-- 
***************************************************************************
jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu is Jenny Gutbezahl @ Univ. of Mass, Amherst
****************************************************************************
These opinions are all mine.  Flame all you want, I'll make more
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: I see London, I see France (Re: the Devil's Day
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:38:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



In article <Bxty52.6y9@nic.umass.edu> jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu 
(Jenny "Eagle Eye" Gutbezahl) writes:

>So, you've never seen anyone dressed this way, and yet Curtis was this way 
>when you first met him.

I'd never seen anyone dressed that way *before I met Curtis.*  So imagine
the shock I experienced!


>Or is there some other logical explanation that I've missed, Geoff?

Peyote and clam dip.



Geoff "don't call me Ralph" Miller


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