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From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: calculating resolutions for X
Date: 6 Sep 1992 23:07:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



i'm trying to get my Xconfig file set up for my 
Orchid Prodesigner IIs and NEC 4FG.    Unfortunately, I've
found some troubling numbers.

According to the setting of the DIP switches on the
back of the SVGA card, the following refresh rates and resolutions
go together:                     640x480      72Hz
                                 800x600      72Hz
                                1024x768      70Hz

and the card is in some sort of accelerated mode.

Now.....if I calculate backwards with these numbers, I get a clock timing/
driving frequency of about 55Mhz for the 1024x768 mode.
 I used the equation in video.tutorial. Now if I run
clock.exe.....I get the following numbers (i ran it several time):

 detected clocks: 25.2  37.9  18.9  45.0  25.2  37.8  18.9  45.4  
 detected clocks: 25.2  37.9  18.9  45.0  25.2  37.8  18.9  45.3  
 detected clocks: 25.2  37.9  18.9  44.8  25.1  37.6  19.0  44.8  
 detected clocks: 25.2  37.9  18.9  45.0  25.2  37.8  18.9  45.0  
 detected clocks: 25.2  37.9  19.0  45.0  25.2  37.8  18.9  45.0  
(BTW, do I round these????? and why????)

However, according to vga.dbase......this card should have
some high clock timings..........
vga.dbase lists25 28 32 36 40 45 75 65

Why doesn't my card read those higher frequencies??? i should read at least
have 55 cuz I have used 1024x768 under windows. 

In addition....I assumed that my card did have 65 as a clock timing and
when I followed the custom setup directions in video.tutorial and
came up with the same numbers as the example, they failed to work.

The specs in my monitor docs seem to say that it is VESA compatible.
I'd really like to have 1024x768.....and not a custom mode........
but the settings in vga.dbase don't work for me. i assumed
that NEC 4d and my 4fg were similar. that might be a flaw.

Anyways.....if anyone has any ideas about thes clock timing.....or
if they have this same setup....i really like to hear from you.


I wonder if I have VCO's that don't have enough juice.......

-- 
MaThiEu a. LeWis      "There is no middle ground/Or that's how it seems/For 
Thieves Like Us        us to walk or to take/Instead we tumble down/Either
mal11@po.cwru.edu      side left or right/To love or to hate."
					-A Strange Kind of Love
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ggeorge@acs.bu.edu (Gerry George)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SLS mail problem
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:25:43 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: ggeorge@acs.bu.edu


In article <BuGCJK.IyH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, visnurpk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Rich Kernin) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|>    I'm running Linux 0.97pl4 without any problems, and used the SLS system
|> to get all the utilities/compiler/goodies.  Recently I've been testing the
|> mail system (UUCP/smail/Elm) and it has been working perfectly from the
|> 'root' account, but when you try sending mail from any other account it
|> fails.  Elm allows you to edit/send a message, and it seems to send the
|> message properly, but the mailboxes remain empty.  Since it worked with
|> root I figured it must be a problem with protection, but I checked and it
|> is setup properly.  Anyone have any ideas?  I'm still relatively new to
|> UN*X (but learning, thanks to Linux) so forgive my ignorance.  Also, I'm
|> using the system right out of the package (ie. no modifications, not using
|> UUCP).  Thanks!
|> 
|> -Rich
|> 

I'm having the same problem, except that root does not work even.  Also, elm could not find the mailboxes (folders).  I had to create empty files in /var/spool/mail... - is htere any way I could change this target directory??

Even the generic mail program does not work - the mail is sent, but there is no delivery.   I need help setting this up.  Please post. 
Thanks

Gerry George
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wies@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rene Felix Wies)
Subject: Beginner needs urgent HELP
Keywords: HELP LINUX COMPILER etc.
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:16:56 GMT
Summary: HELP


I have successfully installed Linux on a 486 computer, however after the '#' prompt I 
do not know what to do: - it's not me not knowing anything about unix - but rather the 
lack of software on my computer. 

I have a number of basic questions - some of which are explained in the faq's but not 
in a way that I would understand the answers. Thus here are my questions:

1. I have installed the bootmanager from OS/2 (ok,ok) it works fine except in the case 
   when I chose to boot from my linux primary partition - it then reports 'missing
   operating system'. Booting from floppy works fine. I have read in the faq that 
   in order to boot directly from hard disk, I must re-compile the kernel, is this
   true, and if so, how do I get a compiler on my system. Once the compiler is on
   my system, how do I compile the kernel?
		  
   -> Q.1 How can I boot from hard disk using OS/2 bootmanager ?
   -> Q.2 Where can I get a compiler from (ftp-address + login & 
	  password please) ? And how (and where) do I install it ?
   -> Q.3 How can I compile the kernel ?

2. I wish to install X.11, again, what do I need and where do I get the sources from?

3. I have a 3.5" floppy as drive A: and a 5.25" floppy as drive B: how can I mount 
   the second floppy?

I know these are very basic questions for most of you. However, IF I know the 
FTP servers I can get the stuff onto my UNIX machine. 
But when, how and where must I untar or unzip the files.
Also, how do I  copy it to a floppy - using rawrite! OK, but how - with or 
without the .tar or .Z ? 
Now how do I get the software onto my system and where does it go. How do I compile
it and also what parameters are needed? 

	      Please help me.... I am willing to learn, but I would 
	      need someone to write down some of the basic procedures,
	      I can alway find out about the commands in a UNIX book,
	      BUT I have not found any literature that explains how
	      to compile the kernel or where which files go. 


	      Yours Rene' Wies
	      e-mail: wies@informatik.tu-muenchen.de


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: Re: SLS package installation
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:08:49 GMT

In article <trussell.715939665@cwis> trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
>bugs@cs.montana.edu (Dave Seelmeyer) writes:
>
>>their job, and all is ok so far. The problem is when I want to do a full
>>installation (full base and X11). I have tried sysinstall -all and also
>>doinstall /dev/hda2. With the first, it asks to insert disk #3 in the
>>floppy drive and press return. Upon doing this, it repeats the message.
>>It will do this 3 times and return to the prompt. With the second, it
>>starts with the same disk #3 message and then responds with "magic match
>>failed" or somesuch and comes back to the prompt.
>
>    Peter doesn't want to admit it, but apparently even his own kernel
>didn't get his patches right.  According to him, his kernel is supposed
>to be patched so it automatically figures out what kind of a filesystem
>it's mounting, but it doesn't work.

Well, begining to wonder if I screwed up, I just downloaded the SLS
1.Z and tried it.  It worked as advertised, that is, it mounts dos
disks correctly.  Since many others manage the install without problem
something you are doing is different than them.  Not knowing what else
to do, I reiterate my warnings.

 1) The "magic match failed" message is always seen for DOS disks because
    the kernel is trying "minix fs" first, then "ext fs" then "dos".
 2) IF YOU DON'T DOWNLOAD *ALL* FILES (including the files "disk3"...)
    THE INSTALL PROGRAM FAILS, BECAUSE THEY VERIFY THE CORRECT ORDER.

That is, disk 3 must contain the following:

 BASE.TAZ 
 DISK3
 ...

The file DISK3 is not just a description file that you can omit.

BTW:
The next release of SLS will be .98 and will be around the end of 
September (earlier if possible) and will be entirely jump table,
and thus will be upgradable with just kernel/shlibs, plus a few
fixed binaries.  It will also have improved documentation, as 
well as better warning messages about things like above.
I would like to see Interviews included as well (idraw et al).

Peter
pmacdona@sanjuan.uvic.ca


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: HIPKR@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (P.Kruse)
Subject: Some suggestions for 1.0
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:46:02 GMT

I don't know the manner of distribution for Linux 0.97x,
but I want to suggest for version 1.0 to release it
in a complete installable package with X and some
important (seperate installable) utilities.
 
This would make it very easy for 'not programmers' to
install it and work with it 'as is'.
 
Thanks, Pete.
 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kenney@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Kenney)
Subject: Problems with MCC 0.97p2
Reply-To: kenney@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:47:48 GMT

Hi all,

I decided to finally bite the bullet and upgrade to 0.97p2 via the
fine mcc-interim package...unfortunately I ran into a bit of a problem.
It looks like one of the compressed tar files from the UTIL disk is
corrupted.  Does anyone know where I can get a copy of 'etc.tar.Z'?
(It just figures that the most important file (it contains Image) is
the one that gets zapped :-).

___
Mike Kenney
UW Applied Physics Lab
mikek@apl.washington.edu
From: tgcpwd@rw9.urc.tue.nl (Wim van Dorst)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: OAK 256k VGA card
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:22:08 GMT
Reply-To: tgcpwd@urc.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <1992Sep9.163711.713@meiko.com> owen@meiko.co.uk writes:
>Has anybody any experience of using this card with Linux?
>Uses the OTI-037 chipset with VGA BIOS 2.15-35.

I had the Oak 512k, and it was proven beyond doubt that you can't do
Linux' X with it. Of course plain alpha numeric stuff will work, but
that will hardly be surprising.

It was suggested that the new Xfree86 will be so modular that it may 
well be easy to add a new videocard. Now that would be surprising.

Met vriendelijke groeten, Wim `Blue Baron' van Dorst
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From: khamer@sumax.seattleu.edu (Little Kenny Hamer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Xdtm compile
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:20:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.4964
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

well, actually, I can't get the Makefile to work.  I obtained Xdtm source
from ftp.uu.net, and used xmkmf to create the Makefile for my system. 
However, there is an error in the syntax of the makefile:

Makefile:411: missing separator. Stop.

This was verified by moving the makefile to my /tmp directory all by
itself and trying again..  Same error, so it Must be the Makefile. 
However, I can't find it.  Has anyone had this experience?  Can anyone help?

Thanks,

     Ken Hamer
     khamer@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: Rob.Levin@f217.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Thanks!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 22:41:16 -0800

It just occurred to me I hadn't sent one of these in a while.

Thanks *VERY MUCH* to Linus and all the developers, for a TRULY
EXCELLENT UN*X system.  It just keeps getting better, and I for one
appreciate the heck out of all concerned....

[grin]


Rob L.


 * Origin: Via the Annex in Victoria, TX (1:3802/217)
From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Scrambled fonts anyone?
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:58:49 GMT
Reply-To: LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Manchester

In article <q+snt5b.harp@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
dminer@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Dan Miner) writes:
>Suggestion to the person who wrote/maintains the 'setterm' program:
>Please add such a reset feature to your program.  Perhaps it already
>has one, but since I don't have a man page for it (nor can I find one)
>I haven't found it.  'setterm -reset' and 'setterm -initialize' don't
>solve the problem.

If this is talking about going from graphics character mode back to text
mode, setterm will do this if the appropriate entry is included in the
termcap file.  I did this in the termcap included in MCC interim version
0.97p2 -- at least it works for me -- but you may be using another termcap
file.  If you have mine, try 'setterm -reset'.

     -- Owen
     LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
From: pgr@prg.ox.ac.uk (Partially Grown Rhododendron)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Splitting comp.os.linux
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:50:35 GMT
Reply-To: pgr@prg.ox.ac.uk (Partially Grown Rhododendron)
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: pgr@pierrot.comlab

In <1992Sep8.230047.24913@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, Lars Wirzenius
<wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI> writes:
[...about the splitting...]
> I don't personally happen to think that comp.os.linux has too much
> traffic [...]                         [...] In any case, my gut feeling
> is that much of the traffic belongs to the category of not reading or
> misunderstanding documentation (GCC installation seems to be a rather
> popular thing to have trouble with), which of course may or may not be
> due to the quality of documentation.

Well, I agree with Lars (and am of a similar mind about
comp.os.linux.announce).  I think, however, the volume of the group
could be cut in half if posters thought about emailing there responses
rather than posting them; it would then be for the person who asked the
question to post a summary if it was appropriate.

This would certainly cut down the list of answers which are already
answered in the FAQ; it would also cut down on the inevitable wrong
answers that get posted with the corresponding 20 corrections by other
people; it would cut down on the number of answers that are in other
groups FAQ's...

Just a thought...

phil
--
phil richards -- pgr@prg.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: donovan@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (David Donovan ext. 6431)
Subject: Help with X11 install 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 02:03:13 GMT


Sorry about this but I am a little lost.
I just upgraded to Linux .97PL2.
( Was running 96b and X 1.0 )
I started over and used the MCC install software.
( Great stuff!! )
I then downloaded X 1.1 from tsx-11 and installed it.
This version of X seems to expect 2.2.2 GCC and not
2.2.2d . ( Is there a newer version of X? ). It wants
a file at /lib/libc.2.2.2.  I tried linking all the libcs
that I could find to /lib/libc.2.2.2 this didn't work.
I tried to find an old version of GCC.2.2.2 but could not.
I did however find the SLS release with GCC2.2.2 and installed
this. ( Disk 7 ). I still don't have a /lib/libc.2.2.2
I again tried linking the 2.2.2 libcs to /lib/libc.2.2.2 and
this didn't work.
 I know I must have missed a FAQ or a README and am sorry for this
post but the next step for me is to download all the X source
and compile with gcc.2.2.2d.
I didn't use the SLS package because I wanted the .97 kernel.

                                Thanks,
                                    David Donovan

PS The NCR version of Unix V.4 does have a file system that
   allows for greater then 14 character file names. ( It is 
   optional ) I don't know if this is standard USL though. 
   ( This was brought up in another post. )

--

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#  David.Donovan@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM   
#  ...uunet!ncrcom!ncrcae!ncrcol!donovan 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: heim@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Gerald Heim)
Subject: Re: Which 3 button mice DO work with X11 ?
Organization: organisiert? ich? ach was!
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:46:43


Hi Netters

Any Moussystems compatible 3-button mouse does work with X.
Except the expensive ones. Why? They have no switch to
choose between ms-compatble 2-button mode to 3-button mode, but
do this by software (msdos-software, of course), normally
their standard-mode is ms (of course). Some friends of mine
have this Problem (3 Buttons, but can only use 2 of them).

So my Tip:
 - Only buy a 3-button mouse if it has a switch!
 - Don't spend more than $20.

gjh
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Scrambled fonts anyone?
Keywords: pcomm, fonts
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:58:45 GMT
Reply-To: rhodesia@wixer.UUCP (Felix S. Gallo)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <q+snt5b.harp@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
>dminer@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Dan Miner) writes:
>
>>I used to reboot, but it has been getting worst.  Anyway, to
>>stop or restore the font?  (Plain text)
>
>You're going to think I'm nuts, but try 'cat /bin/ls'.  I'm using the
>ls from the MCC-Interim 0.97pl2 distribution, and it happens to
>contain the right sequence of codes to reset the console.

ew.  ew ew ew.

>How did I discover this?  Don't ask.  

>Suggestion to the person who wrote/maintains the 'setterm' program:
>Please add such a reset feature to your program.  Perhaps it already
>has one, but since I don't have a man page for it (nor can I find one)
>I haven't found it.  'setterm -reset' and 'setterm -initialize' don't
>solve the problem.

setterm -reset works for me.  But here's the definitive clue:

the virtual terminals emulate vt102 terminals, as per their termcap
entry.  The vt102 'complete terminal reset' command is (ESC)c.  Just
echo that sequence in a printable fashion and you're set.  Here's the
easiest way:

% cat
(ESC)c(RETURN)
^D
%

here is the slightly sexier way:

% cat > /usr/local/bin/fixterm
#!/bin/sh
echo "(CONTROL-V)(ESC)c"
^D
%

and then use fixterm whenever you get into the problem again.
>-- 
>-----------------Greg-Harp----------------harp@netcom.com------------------
>  Love me, love my ferrets.               "Break out of the mold before
>  Or at least love my ferrets. ;)          the mold sets in" -- B52's


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: richard@stat.tamu.edu (richard henderson)
Subject: Re: Scrambled fonts anyone?
Keywords: pcomm, fonts
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:11:16 GMT

harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:

>dminer@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Dan Miner) writes:

>>I used to reboot, but it has been getting worst.  Anyway, to
>>stop or restore the font?  (Plain text)

>You're going to think I'm nuts, but try 'cat /bin/ls'.  I'm using the
>ls from the MCC-Interim 0.97pl2 distribution, and it happens to
>contain the right sequence of codes to reset the console.

>How did I discover this?  Don't ask.  

Something a little less drastic is to type "echo ^V^O" or "cat"
followed by a control O.

>Suggestion to the person who wrote/maintains the 'setterm' program:
>Please add such a reset feature to your program.  Perhaps it already
>has one, but since I don't have a man page for it (nor can I find one)
>I haven't found it.  'setterm -reset' and 'setterm -initialize' don't
>solve the problem.

I agree that this is the best solution, though.

richard~
----
richard@stat.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William A Jones)
Subject: Will ps0.97.2 work with 0.97.3 kernel -- mine won't!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:23:52 GMT

I just upgraded to the 0.97.3 kernel.  I made my usual patches (setting
/dev/ttys2 -- COM3 in the DOS world -- to IRQ 5 and setting the number
of pseudo-ttys to 16) and had no problems compiling under GCC2.2.2d.
I am noticing an improvement in overall speed over 0.97.1 which is
what I used last.

But, when I recompiled ps0.97.2 and tried it, it failed with the error
"/usr2/src/linux/tools/system: No such file or directory"
Well, I tried to find where in the source to change usr2 to usr, failed
and created a symlink from /usr2 to /usr.  Then running ps -U gave

		symbol '_low_memory' not found
		trying to read invalid address

Did I make a mistake somewhere or is there an easy (or difficult) fix
that needs to be made?  Thanks,

Bill

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dje@cygnus.com (Doug Evans)
Subject: Re: GCC 2.2.2d bug
Organization: Cygnus Support
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 00:35:08 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Lars Wirzenius (wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
: It's undefined behaviour.  The problem is that the program alters the
: same memory location multiple times between two sequence points (which
: are points in execution when all side effects of previous expressions
: are guaranteed to have been completed).

Oops, you're right.

Should have read F.2.  It's right there in black-n-white.  Sigh.
Xref: sparky comp.os.linux:10258 alt.uu.future:226 alt.uu.comp.misc:9
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,alt.uu.future,alt.uu.comp.misc
Subject: Re: Is it time to subdivide this group?
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:39:40 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

> >I have 50 messages in the last 12 hours...
> 
> This offers me an excuse to repeat the proposal to use an UU group ;-)
> (note the crosspost)
> 
> From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
> Subject: A newsgroup for newcomers - using alt.uu.comp.misc?
> Message-ID: <1992Aug20.132607.18791@nntp.hut.fi>
> 
> Whew, comp.os.linux really has an active crowd of talented people.
> 
> There has been talk about splitting comp.os.linux and/or helping out
> newcomers to the *ix family of operating systems for various reasons.
> 
> To help solve some of the problems, I'd like to propose start using
> the alt.uu.comp.misc group (and later possibly alt.uu.comp.linux.*
> groups) for topics for newcomers of Linux, and possibly authoring
> document material / tutorial material and/or tutorial software to
> help people learn Linux.

While I realize that your intentions were to try to give neophytes a
place of their own, the realities aren't so philanthropic.

First, altnet is seriously lacking the propagation that usenet has.
Second, you're suggestion asks for a dividing line that in practice
would turn out to be awfully vague. What would define a "new guy?"
As it is, common questions get directed to the FAQ --but many are
answered separately, and they need to be. 

Linux has a number of variations :-) and the information exchange at
this point, as I've observed, goes as much to those asking as it does
those developing. To categorize a group like this according to exper-
tise will perhaps do more harm than good --even though it might reduce
volume. It may not even reduce volume. If "those in the know" aren't
hanging out in the altnet, but here instead, then those with questions
are going to come here anyway.

If the intent is to categorize and not discriminate (tm) then it might
be better to look at areas of concern rather than levels of knowledge.

my $0.02. :-)



--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA