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From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: Stanford University
	<1993Jan21.212733.28090@litwin.com> <30321@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
	<1993Jan22.174917.15377@unocal.com>
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:27:47

In article <1993Jan22.174917.15377@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
   But we all know of the Zoe Biares of the child care industry that find
   el-cheapo situations, but whine when something goes wrong- 
   either financially or to the child.

I wonder how many people who are criticizing Zoe Baird have actually
tried to find in-home childcare?  I did, and although I wanted to find
someone who'd be legal, I couldn't.  Everyone who responded to my ad
was either an undocumented worker or a Social-Security recipient who
wanted to be paid under the table.

Now back to the original discussion:  Yes, it is possible to find
part-time work in computer engineering.   It seems a lot easier to go
from full-time to part-time at your existing job than to be hired as a
part-timer;  I have done both.  Also, part-timers are often not taken
seriously;  I was laid off from a part-time job because the CEO (of a
small company) didn't think that part-timers were committed enough to
their jobs. 

-- Anne
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper training (was: Developmental Milestones: Humorous)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:57:38 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <2936631299@ARTEMIS.cam.nist.gov> miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller) writes:

(a few lines deleted)>  Daniela was in the other room playing quietly,
>so I told her to call me if she needed to go potty, and I went to watch
>TV.  After a while I hear "Daddy, I made peepee".  I come in and ask
>"Did you go to the potty?", "nope", "In you're pants?","Yes"... but
>they're dry!  Then I notice that she's not wearing the clothes I'd put on
>her!  She'd taken off the wet clothes, put them in the bathtub and
>changed.
>OK, so I went back to the tv.  Awhile later I peak in to see how she's
>doing... Whoops, now she's wearing a skirt !?!
>
>She went through 3 or 4 changes of clothes that day.  
>I guess that's progress on the potty training front!


Angelica (who is in permanent potty-training mode -- we've been at it for
over a year now) is even more crafty than that. She's been known to put
her wet pants in the washing machine (a front-loader) and start it up!
Expecting that we'll never notice that she's wearing a different pair of
pants!

A side effect being that until I figured it out, her dad was getting
a lot of harassment from me for washing 1-item loads and wasting all
that water.

Now we just keep the machine unplugged when it's not in use. But I let her 
load the clothes in when I do laundry.

Susan
mom to Angelica 3.2 years


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From: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce)
Subject: Re: Things to do with 10 mth old
Reply-To: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
Organization: Hitachi America Ltd
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:43:57 GMT

My 9 month old Jimmy and I have just learned a new game.  I get him interested
in a small rattle, and then I hid it underneath an upside-down toy pan, and say
"where did the rattle go?" until Jimmy lifts up the pan and finds the rattle 
and we cheer and cheer, and repeat until he gets bored.  The pan and rattle move
all over: behind my back, etc., and he crawls all around to find it.  This
activity could obviously be done with any hider and hidee.

By the way, the toy pan that we use is from a Fisher Price Activity Pots & Pans,
which is one of Jimmy's favorite toys.  It is rare that a toy will hold his
attention for any length of time, but this one does.

Jill Boyce
jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: students/interns at delivery
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:30:44 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <C19Eqt.3sB@acsu.buffalo.edu>
oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>
>It sounds like some experiences with medical studens/interns are
>very good (see original post below).  However, in my birthing
>class one woman told of how an entire CLASS ON TOUR was brought
>in to watch her deliver.  She did not appreciate it.  Also, at
>this hospital one does not sign a form giving permission for the
>students to be present.  They will be present unless you
>specifically state otherwise.  Another thing to watch for is
>students making their rounds with doctors.  You could be put on
>display, unless of course you refuse, which it seems people don't
>think of doing until too late.
>
>It seems that if you have only 1 or 2 students to deal with, and
>are able to form a friendly relationship with from early in the
>labor, that they are more welcome.  I think its very
>inconsiderate to bring an entire class on tour into a delivery.
>
>Personally, I don't want any medical students or nursing students
>present because I am a very private person to begin with and I
>work at the Medical School.  But I can certainly see where they
>make a welcome addition under some circumstances.
>
>- Peggy -
>
(orig post deleted)
 
I didn't think the idea of students sounded all that great, still don't really.
But I think it also depends on if you have a natural or C section birth.
 
I planned a natuarl but got a c.  I wasn't even really aware of the one(luckily
) that was there until my doctors were closing me up.  Then they started
asking him all these questions and it was interesting to hear how he tried
to answer their questions.  (Boy was he intimidated!-Imagine standing at the
foot of a bed with some strange woman, in the middle of a C-Section(I'll skip
the gross stuff) and basically getting a final exam from your professors!)
Truly pressure!
 
He helped keep me from thinking about what they were doing to me, since I
could feel something-no pain, but something.
 
Also kept me from completely losing it, since they had to take my baby to
infant recovery and I hadn't gotten a chance to hold him (still strapped down
to the operating table).  I sent my husband to follow my son (parental
paranoia- someone stealing my baby, etc) so that left me alone again.
 
I was helped by the student present, but I was in such a state of ecstasy over
childbirth that I didn't care who saw what or when.  :-) :-)
 
Just MHO.
 
Ellie Blackwell
From: gelhausj@tethys.mathcs.carleton.edu (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute tricks they play (6.5)
Date: 20 Jan 93 18:43:35 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

In article <1993Jan19.203442.19688@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna  
Watson) writes:
> ...
> A: Tell me what is wrong with this alphabet:
> 
> ABCDEFGHIJKMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
> 
> 
> 
> B: There's no "L"
> 
> A: Merry Christmas to you too!
> 

the little boy walks up to the teacher's desk and asks if he may be
excused to use the bathroom...
teacher:  first you must say the alphabet
boy: abcdefghijklmnoqrstuvwxyz
teacher: where's the 'p'?
boy: running down my leg
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From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:14:07 GMT

In article <9301222019.AA13412@cairo.kodak.com>
mbb@keps.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
 
>In article <1993Jan21.212733.28090@litwin.com> dld@litwin.com (Deanna Delapasse) writes:
>
>...
>>I'm curious about half-time versus 3 days a week part-time
>>employment.  The astronomical day-care prices make part-time
>>unaffordable (you pay full price if you're there at all),
>>but every other day seems tougher on the Mom.  What do you
>>think ??
>...
>
>I worked part-time for a while when my kids were younger, and I worked
>3 days a week, partly because of the daycare, but also because of
>the commute.  It really wasn't so bad doing it that way.  I worked
>Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, so basically, I would gear up on
>Monday evening to go on auto-pilot for the next 3 days.  I found
>working 3 days versus 5 half-days easier because it gave me bigger
>pieces of time to work on my project, since there is always some
>time involved in remembering where you left off and winding down at
>a logical point.  Plus, it gave the kids days where we could goof off
>in the morning, and we would have the whole day to do whatever we
>felt like doing.
>
 
I also worked part time for quite a while.  It was wonderful for the family
and me.  Full days are best, but for a while I worked 3 or 4 6-hour days
because I felt that the babies were at daycare too long if I worked a
full day and because I could get my oldest daughter off to school and greet
her when she came home.
 
>My time spent on part-time was not nearly as wonderful for my career
>as it was for my home and family life, however.  While it is true
>that there are many wonderful companies out there that are supportive
>of these kinds of arrangements, the fact is that it will only work
>for *you* as well as your immediate management allows it to work.
 
true
 
>For me, it meant I only got to work on the things nobody else wanted,
 
that isn't necessarily the case.  I kept my regular work.
 
>and I was viewed as not being "dedicated" since I wasn't always there.
 
I put in 'overtime'.  I did meet my deadlines.  I don't *think* that I
was viewed as not being dedicated.
 
>That time did not count at all towards being promoted to the next level.
 
True.  I am 'behind' people (men and women) who are my age, with the same
education, and who started at the company about the same time I did.  I
knew this would happen and it's a choice I made.  I didn't mind so much.
What I did mind was not getting raises.
 
>It has taken a long time to undo some of those perceptions.  It was
>worth it since the time with my kids was wonderful, but I would be
 
agreed
 
>lying if I claimed I felt no bitterness toward certain individuals
>and their treatment of me.  (BTW, I never missed a day of work when
>I was working 3 days/week)
>
>Maureen Busch (mbb@keps.com)
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From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:47:26 GMT

In article <19930122095147SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>>in article: <1993Jan21.205107.9014@pts1.pts.mot.com> Alice Bertelson
>> wrote: 
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>My husband and I have decided it's time to think about starting baby #3
>>we have a son who is 4 yrs old called MATTHEW ROBERT and an 18 mth old
>>daughter called MELANIE KATE
>>
>>IF #3 is a boy we already have a name picked out .... MICHAEL DAVID
>>but we can't seem to think of another girls name beginning with an M
>>that we BOTH like!!
>>
>>any suggestions that I can put before hubby are appreciated!!
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
> 
>We chose Melissa.  I also like Molly and Marissa.  Isn't Reid's
>daughter Maera?  That's pretty.  Good luck!

I was supposed to be a Melissa, but my father,who had a lisp as a child,
backed out on the name at the last minute, because he was worried that
I too might have a list, and then my name would be Melitha Pethkin.  Now,
you might laugh, but when I got to kindergarten my best friend was...

Melitha Therman!  My dad never let my mom forget it, too!

Marjorie (BTW, I love my name, and always have! :-))


> 
>TAMARA
>mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)


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From: a2baehr@rzdspc22.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Martin Baehr)
Subject: Reminisces of an older brother (was: sister (was leave kids...
Organization: University of Hamburg, FRG
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:49:50 GMT

peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:


>Two funny stories about my little brother, back in the early 70's:

>My parents were in the habit of letting me and my brother play alone
>or with each other while they did chores around the house.  One day
>we relized that none of us knew where Danny was, then about 2yo but 
>not very verbal.  We looked all around the house, in the back yard,
>and even out in front on the street we lived on (residential, very
>quiet, and ke knew *all* the neighbors).  On the second pass through
>the back yard we *finally* found Danny about 5' up a tree, sucking 
>his bottle of apple joice and wondering what all the commotion was 
>about!

>A bit later (when Danny was not quite 4) my parents suddenly noticed
>that the house was awfully quiet.  I was reading in the living room
>and had no idea where Danny was, except that I was *sure* that he 
>hadn't gone out either the front of the back door.  Again my parents
>searched through the house, and finally noticed that the bathroom 
>door was locked.  We called and knocked -- no answer.  My dad finally
>picked the lock (we were quite worried by this time) and found Danny
>sitting on the pot.  Reading!  (Or, at least studiously looking at the
>pictures or Dr. Seuss's The_Best_Nest -- it was Danny's all-time 
>favorite book for years.)  He must have picked up the on-the-pot
>habit from my dad.  

This reminds me of a story that happened bach when I was ...
(hang on, I'm calculating ... )
five or six. My little brother was about three. We were out in town,
shopping I guess, all of us (at least we thougth), and suddenly my mom
noticed that our little one was gone. So we went back all the way and
searched up and down the main-street of the town buut he seemed to be 
dissapeared. Finally we went to the police to ask if maybe some friendly
cop had picked him up, but they could't help us either. So we could do
nothing else than going back home. 
And guess what:
^L
There he was: sleeping like an angle.
We never figured out if he just missed us leaving, and stayed at home,
or if, after loosing us in town, he jusst went bach home (But don't ask
me how he then managed to get in our apartment.

So long, martin (21yr)

----
Martin Baehr       a2baehr@rzdspc2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
----
One World, One People Please.			 Baha'u'llah
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Flammability (was: Re: A few Questions)
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:09:44 GMT
	<HELLSTRA.93Jan21151933@aton.abo.fi>
Organization: Sylvan Associates


   >   Am I the only one who thinks it a bit peculiar to require sleepwear, but
   >   not daywear, to be flame-resistant?  Seems to me a kid is far more likely
   >   to encounter an ignition source while up and around than while asleep.

I think the flame retardancy laws came into being after some little
girls got severely burned wearing nightgowns. And the idea is that the
fabric will stop burning when removed from flame - so a child trying
to escape a burning house would have clothing that self-extinguished.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Subject: Re: Why *don't* we tell? (was Home alone,
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:31:37 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 6664@cbnews.cb.att.com, lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.164812.12248@afterlife.ncsc.mil> adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane) writes:
> >In article <1jh6q7INN9qq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:
> >>
> >> ... and people who claim that
> >>they have been harrassed must be assumed to be telling the truth first,
> >>then have their claims investigated, rather than assumed to be lying first.
> >
> >No, absolutely not!  It is fundamental to our legal system, and an absolute
> >requirement to avoid witch hunts, that the accused be presumed innocent
> >until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.  By way of example, there
> 
> Accused persons are not presumed innocent until proven guilty. That only
> happens when they are tried. People are routinely jailed, have their assets
> frozen, required to pay legal fees, etc. long before they come to trial.
> 


From personal experience I would have to agree.  In the United States you are
guilty until proven innocent (especially in small Texas towns).
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:40:01 GMT
	<C14935.E92@amd.com> <1jk06tINNesg@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I suggest the cervical cap. Doesn't press on the bladder like a
diaphragm. Doesn't require extra spermacide applications if you have
the energy to go for a second time around :-)

I don't know about the mini-pill, but I'd not want to do anything
hormonally to my body while nursing.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Emptying Water System in Unused House
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:49:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <MICHAEL.93Jan25104816@sunbeam.ksc.nasa.gov>, michael@sunbeam.ksc.nasa.gov (Michael D. Myjak x7-3286) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.212408.12711@schbbs.mot.com> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
> 
>    Antifreeze (a glycol ether) is biodegradable and can be broken down by the
>    local municipal water treatment plant (when reasonably well diluted). 
>    If you pour it down a storm sewer, it's going straight into the 
>    environment in a concentrated form which won't easily degrade. So,
>    it's much better to get rid of it by pouring into the sanitary sewer than
>    into a storm drain or septic tank.
> 
> I wonder how well that thought works for septic tank systems. Doe sit
> become diluted reasonably well enough to be considered a non-problem?
> does the position (or later addition) of local a in-ground well make a
> difference?


Just wondering--what does this have to do with kids?  Are they going to be left
home alone with frozen water pipes?

Ann Helmers
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Bang me on the head
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:38:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

So my five-year-old and I are driving along and we see a guy
hitch-hiking.  "Oooh," says Alan.  "He shouldn't take a ride
from strangers."  I'm thinking this is good, this is fine.  Let's
take the opportunity to reinforce this.

Me:	Alan, if you needed a ride, would you ride with a stranger?
Alan:	Nope.
Me:	What if you were walking and someone offered you a ride?
Alan:	Nope.
Me:	What if they offered you candy?
Alan:	Oh yeah.  Sure!
Me (swerving back onto the road):	WHAT????  WHY????
Alan:	Because then I'd know they were nice!
Me (internally):	Aaaarrrgh!

Of course we had a little discussion about how you can't tell if
a stranger's nice so you dodn't go with anyone unless Mama says it's
okay.  This lead to some uncomfortable questions like where do bad
people want to take him and why.  But hopefully he won't go off
with candy-toting strangers now.  Sheesh!

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: More humorous developmental milestones
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:05:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.204819.864214@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer) writes:
>Creative:
>	By age 3 your child should have colored at least one wall and
>	some irreplacable piece of clothing with permanent magic marker.

  What do folks think of letting a child color on one wall of his/her
  bedroom?  (As long as you own the home).  When I was little I didn't
  see why I couldn't decorate my room anyway I wanted too, including
  my art work.  I think I'll let my son have one wall to draw on, knowing
  that in the future, he'll be responsible for painting over it, when
  he gets tired of seeing his "kiddie" pictures.  However I don't know
  what my husband will say to that!  We don't own a home anyway...
  But when you kid leaves home, you may not want to paint over that
  wall anymore!
>
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Insentivity or Honesty? (was Re: Ultrasound Report)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:36:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1993Jan26.153605.26548
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

In article <3598@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM>, sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
|> 
|> I posted a few days ago about my great ultrasound experience and my
|> "boy" on the way!!
|> 
|> Well, I went to the doctors yesterday and he had the official report
|> from the radiologist.  Basically, everything was good.  I was noted
|> however that the femur measurement was atleast 2 standard deviations 
|> below the mean.  (I think that was the wording but I don't have my
|> copy in front of me).  He said that he did not feel this was of major
|> significance because of the short stature of the father (5'1").  He
|> thought something like dwarfism was highly unlikely. 
|> [snip'd]

This reminded me of a similar story.

A friend of mine had a late-term (9th month) ultrasound a few years back,
and after taking some measurements the doctor announced that the baby's
head was "unusually small".   My friend didn't question this at the time,
but was pretty hysterical by the time she got home, imagining this pin-
headed baby she was about to give birth to (a brain the size of a walnut? 
no brain at all?)  I actually don't know if she called the doctor back to 
get reassurance (or clarification) on this, but in due time she gave birth 
to a perfectly normal boy child with a not-very-large head.  And, you know, 
he's 5 years old now, and normal-sized, very cute and plenty smart - and 
still has a somewhat small head and face.  In looking at this child's father,
I see that they are shaped very much alike.

When I started looking around me, I could see that there's definitely a 
range of head sizes in children (and indeed in adults too), and that my 
own children were on the somewhat large-headed end of the range, and over 
time the rest of them sort of "grew into" their head sizes.  It didn't 
MEAN anything (although a large headed baby is probably somewhat harder 
to deliver than a small-headed one - sort of like trying to deliver a 
bowling ball vs a grapefruit :-).  I can definitely see what panic I might 
have felt if the Doctor had commented to me that my unborn baby's head 
size was "unusually "small" OR "large" (encephalitis?).

The moral here, I think, is not to let ambiguous comments made by tech-
nicians or physicians go unchallenged (if you don't ask for clarification
right away, CALL BACK AND ASK!).  I realize there's a lot that can be seen 
(*heard*, actually) in an ultrasound, and it's really "neat" to find out 
about the baby before it's born, but ultrasounds are not infallible, and 
neither are the people who administer or interpret them.  Perhaps they are 
sometimes just thinking out loud, or feeling like they HAVE to tell you
everything they're seeing, or THINK they're seeing.   

I had ultrasounds with my last 2 children and, nifty as it was, it is my 
humble opinion that this is a technology that is over-utilized today.

Jan
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