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From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BEER at games
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:42:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C0yvI1.13t@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore) writes...
>Someone from Arizona brought up an interesting point, UC DOES sell beer
>at games ($3 for a 16oz cup!) but I've heard that a some arena's do not.
>Do most colleges sell or not sell beer at games? The price would be
>prohibitive for many students, but the bar on campus is open before games
>(near the arena) and sells it for $1 for a LARGE cup...

My first few years at Duke, they sold/gave beer at just about every event.
Freshman disorientation: a week long hangover.  This was the early '80s, and
students could buy beer with their food points [mommy, I'm starving, send
more money (hiccup)].

With the national (states have no rights) drinking age of 21 and MADD breathing
down everyone's neck, Duke has gotten downright puritan.  Some people think
this is for the better, some for the worse. 

Needless to say, the crowd was rowdier back then.  Dick Vitale loves the
Cameron crazies (his daughter went here) but the real crazies are kinda
tame lately.  Make that *very* tame.

>(This is an important! topic)

To some, yes; others, no.
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National POTY
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:36:13 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Michael Lerner writes:

  [excusably, but erroneously]

>Jamal Mashburn.

Anfernee "Gamera" Hardaway
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> U.P. OR BUST!
From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: SEC Stuff
Keywords: How the West Was Lost
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:36:49 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Well, it's amazing what a difference a week makes.  After I praise Arkansas
and LSU and banish Auburn, now Auburn has revived and is once again a threat.
I misspoke last week when I said LSU beat Auburn at Auburn.  Upon further
review, my "Dick Vitale" conf. schedules says the game was at LSU.  Anyway,
here are the "Real standings" of the SEC as of today.

                  West                            East
             Losses   (Rd. wins - Hm. Losses)             Losses   (Rw-HL)
LSU            2             +1                Kentucky     1        +3
Auburn         3             +1                Florida      2        +2
Arkansas       2             +0                Vandy        1        +0

Thus, you can see that the West is still a dog fight, with Auburn playing
better and Arkansas in a mini-slump, while in the East, Kentucky has already
picked up 3 road wins, and Vandy still has to prove they belong.  

KEY GAMES THIS WEEK
Jan. 27 Vandy at UT, Auburn at Alabama, and Arkansas at MIss. St.
Jan. 30 Florida at Kentucky, Vandy at Auburn

This week will show whether either Vandy or Florida has what it takes to
challenge Kentucky in the East, while in the West, more jousting for position
will occur.

I don't consider LSU-Kentucky a key game unless you're betting against the
point spread.  After all, LSU couldn't beat the sixth best team in the ACC
:)

-- 
Ronnie Smith      East Carolina University      Greenville, NC
   (and still at Duke a little bit)
 INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu
The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
From: wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pitt makes Winning a Habit ( re: Panthers victimize BC)
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:22:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <2242@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) 
writes some varied grammatical, spelling, syntactical, logical and 
factual errors, namely :

>It has come to be that winning is an expectation which we can justly place
>on the Mighty Pitt Panthers (MPP) this season if and when they play who ever.

							whoever

>The MPP  an hour and half ago just finished dismantling BC Eaggles 81
						            ^^^^^^
							Eagles

>Not only did the MPP win, but they dorminated. 
				    ^^^^^^^^^^
				already pointed out by another poster

>SSG McCullough is now being touted as one of the best guards in the USA....
>according to the Pittsburgh Press 

The Pittsburgh Press doesn't exist anymore, you mean the
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

>also the best guard
>to appear in the city for 21 years 

This would refer to Duquesne's Norm Nixon, interested readers.  By the 
way, why weren't you informed of this by the fellow who read the 
article to you?

>He is certainly superior  at this 
>position than the forward Jalen Rose who occupies it for Michigan....

Listen, I happen to hate Michigan, and I bet old Jalen sure is jealous. 
We get articles written about us by illiterates, and all he gets to do 
is to attend the NCAA finals, probably two years in a row.

>For those of you in the hard to access, remote areas, bide your time, 
>b patient.  
 ^
eye will.

>I suspect that you will soon get a taste of the MPP-  as they crush  
>the teams you know and support....
>
>makala
>

I would like to take this opportunity to try to convince other
readers that not all Pitt fans are morons, just the ones who
transfer from Penn State.

					-Bill 

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: These Threads are Boring
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:11:55 GMT

(This was in rec.sport.football.college but I think we could use it here)

rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>
>Pre-sweeted tea, dammit!
>Coke, not soda.
>Boiled Peanuts.
>hold the grits.

New threads, and suggestions for threads:

* Buses, trains and taxis:  Does Duke have them?  Will North Carolinians
  use them?
* Where was Charlie Richter for the past eight months?
* Should the All-Pac-10 team have 10, 20 or 55 members?
* Animated Organs: Dick Vitale vs SDDD.


--Gidi
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:07:24 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
NNTP-Posting-Host: lucky.engin.umich.edu

Who's that guy out at UNLV?  Doesn't he lead the NCAA Div.I with 
something like 55% ?


-- 
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu 
--
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The NeverEnding Thread (Was: Re: Duke loss)
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:23:41 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) wrote:

}>ROB MACKENNA = Roy Navarre

rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) wrote:
}
}Therefore, 
}
}Brian E. Saunders = Dale Brown
}
}Gotcha!

It is well known that Dale Brown is Roy Navarre's hero.  
So you're saying that Brian is your hero?  

(Hmm, I would have guessed Malcolm Mackey.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

        "I only think about injustice when it happens to me."   
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jframe@unlv.edu (Jason Frame)
Subject: Re: Gibson on UNLV
Organization: UNLV
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 07:46:09 GMT

In article <C16Dnw.Au5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	I keep seeing the name of Ken Gibson pop up in UNLV stories.  Somebody
>	please tell me this isn't the same guy who played his freshman yer
>	here at Illinois.  In case U don't remember him, he was a stocky
>	guy who would come in and launch halfcourt shots.  I had him in my
>	freshman speech com class, and his speech was on -- surprise -- how
>	varsity college athletes should be paid.
>
>	Jazzy J
>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|   " I try to discover a little something to make me sweeter..."   --Erasure |
>|   Jazzy J               jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         U-Illinois/Urbana |
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Thats the same Ken Gibson alright.  He is the star off of the bench
for the Rebs, and he hustles more than most of the players on the
team.  Plus, he is a great shooter from behind the arc, and at the
foul line.  In fact, he hit two clutch free-throws to tie a game with
Texas A&M on tuesday that sent the game into OT, and eventually the
55th straight win in the T&M for the Runnin' Rebs.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rga@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Who is #1?
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:23:57 GMT

In article <1jihtgINN88m@satie.cs.unc.edu> morse@cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:
[ Referring to UNC]
>
>The real test will be in the next two weeks.  Carolina plays Virginia,
>Seton Hall (road), Florida State, Wake Forest (road), and Duke (Cameron).  
>If, by some miracle, the Heels are 19-1 on February 4, they'll deserve 
>to be #1.  
>
I agree with this accessment. I've seen most of UNC's games this year,
and see them beating opponents, usually handily. But it appears to me
that they have a lot of improving to do. The defense is far ahead of
the offense. Offensive execution needs work, free throw shooting needs
work, opposing defenses are focusing on Donald Williams to try and
shut him down, and the team is still commiting too many turnovers
(although this has improved lately).

On the other hand they keep winning (and only lost to Michigan on a
buzzer beater). We'll see ...

Randy
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Cherokee Parks is is WAAAAAAAAAAAY Overrated
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:02:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k4ftgINNe71
Organization: UW Department of Fisheries
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I'm really sick and tired of hearing announcers make a big deal out of very
average players who happen to play in big-time programs.  Cherokee Parks is
the most blatant example.  In this guy's last four games his point totals 
have been 8, 8, 4, and 14.  His rebounds were 8, 10, 6, and 12.  These kind
of numbers don't tell the entire story, though.  Against FSU in what appeared
to be his best game, he was lit up by Doug Edwards and choked two free pitches
in the final minute that could have put the game away.  In short, Parks is 
not that good.

To make matters worse, there are plenty of good centers who don't get the 
recognition.  Rich Manning of the UW comes to mind, but I'll ignore him so 
I won't look like a homer.  Let's take Greg Kinzer of SMU.  Kinzer averages
13 points and 9 nine rebounds per game while contributing good defense, but 
how many people have ever heard of Greg Kinzer?  Greg Kinzer is better than 
Cherokee Parks.  Unlike Parks against FSU, Kinzer turns it up a notch in big 
games, as his 19 point, 18 rebound demolition of Pat Lawson of Vanderbuilt 
shows.  Greg Kinzer is better than Cherokee Parks.  Other than Montross (who
Parks has not played against this year) and Mackey, Parks really has very  
little competion in the pivot, getting to coast against the likes of Chris
Kerwin, Sharone Wright, and Ted Jefferies.  Kinzer on the other hand must go to 
war with quality centers such as Bo Outlaw, Will Flemons, Brent Scott, and
Alex Holcombe.  Greg Kinzer is better than Cherokee Parks.  Kinzer is just the 
latest in a long line of fine centers the SWC has produced.  You want names?
Try these : Akeem Olajuwon and Elvin Hayes from Houston, Joe Kleine and Andrew
Lang from Arkansas, Jon Koncak and Glenn Puddy from SMU, John Brownlee and 
George Muller from UT...I think I've made my point.  With such rich tradition,
it's a surpise the national media hasn't recognized the quality of play of 
Greg Kinzer.  Some have, but it's coming slowly.  In his column in the latest
issue of College Basketball Digest, noted roundball analyst Carl Koontz writes,
"If they ever went head-to-head, Kinzer would stuff Parks back into his teepee."


Greg Kinzer is better than Cherokee Parks.

GT
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Destiny Night at FSU
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:15:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <C1F4y8.Fo3@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>I think the phrase "Duke Curse" has been used enough to become
>official r.s.bb.c jargon.  Let's see if FSU can provide a 3rd
>datapoint to this curse ...

A third data point, eh? 

Maybe it should be the "Duke Curve", instead.

- Rob Mac K
 

-- 
*ROB Mac K - The Man, The Myth, The Legend.  As if. ***********************
*        [}uke             1991 National Champions      "At least we      *
*          Blue Devils:    1992 National Champions    don't still suck."  *
****************************************************** rjm1@acpub.duke.edu*
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Comments on KU-Long Beach State game
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:19:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1993Jan26.081932
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1993Jan26.081336@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.211017.46760@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>HOWEVER, when the officiating is so obviously lopsided,
>>
>>IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!
>>
>'Bout time the show is on the other foot.
                ^^^^
"shoe" not show.   
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Subject: UC WHIPS XAVIER 78-67
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:17:26 GMT

In the biggest game of the city for the media and some fans, UC beat
crosstown rival (a mile or two away) 78-67. I WILL post the
box score tomorrow...

-- 
 _    _ __   __  (The Best Team in Ohio)        /  David B. Moore
' )  / /  ) /  )                      _/_     /    Fairfield, OH USA
 /  / /    /--<  _  __.  __  _. __.  /  _   '      mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu
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From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: NCSU to win NCAA NC this year!!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:30:14 GMT

In <30218@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:

>NCSU is destined to win the NCAA's mythical national championship this
>year.  Why?  Because, it's the way it works - the State wins every 10
>years....

Indiana is destined to win the NCAA's mythical national championship this
year.  Why?  Because, it's the way it works - IU wins every 6
years....

'87, '81, a year very close to '75...

Actually, with four solid seniors, this year is going to be IU's best chance
for a few years, 'til the end of the Mandeville/Wilkerson era.

-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bloomington, IN)
"Verbing weirds language" - Calvin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: The (updated) Saga of Bobby Knight
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:18:27 GMT

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>I thought the real rivalry started when Knight practically stole Eric
>Anderson from under Henson's haircut.  Could somebody elaborate on what
>the deal was with recruiting Hamilton (where is he these days, anyway)?

	Well, I can't elaborate on the deal involving Hamilton, but last
	I heard, he was playing ball in Turkey.

	Jazzy J

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From: crosen@sss.cba.ua.edu (Charles Rosen)
Subject: Re: LSU and the Also-rans (was Re: Vandy-Arkan
Organization: Systems Support Services, University of Alabama
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:03:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.134800.6253@hou.amoco.com> zgjm03@orl.amoco.com (George J. McMillan) writes:
>From: zgjm03@orl.amoco.com (George J. McMillan)
>Subject: Re: LSU and the Also-rans (was Re: Vandy-Arkan
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:48:00 GMT
>
>The only way Dale Brown could make Mike K' look like Moe Howard is by giving him the bowl-on-the-	head type haircut. Dale has done wonderful things for LSU basketball but he's definitely not much
>of an "X & O's" type coach. The success the Tigers have had is due to big time defense and all out hustle. Most times its not from start to finish of a game but enough to get 'em a win. It took a 25-0 run the other night for them to beat a poor Central C>nnecticut State team that was playing without its best scorer. Hey I'm there for every game and I think its great they're winning, but I think its in spite of Dale not because of him.
> 
Dale Brown is a great coach, but only when he has no talent.  He proved that 
the last few years.  He can get to the Final Four (or pretty close) with 
nobody, but he blew the big tourney games when he had O'Neal and Jackson.  I 
believe that the Shaq has a much large impact on Orlando then he ever did 
with LSU.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John)
Subject: REQUEST: HUGE 10 UPDATE
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:47:41 GMT

Net netters,
With Randy's hiatus from the BTR, many of us that are geographically
challenged have not a clue about what's going on in the wonderful world
of Big Ten hoops.  I have-- with my razor-sharp detective senses-- figured
out, by close inspection of every inch of this newsgroup, that Indiana 
clobbered tOSU.

I am after just final scores for last weekend's games involving Big Ten teams.

ADthanksVANCE,
JB
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gvbalaji@utah.edu (Gopalan V Balaji)
Subject: Re: UNLV destroys Hoyas
Reply-To: gvbalaji@utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 01:39:40 GMT


From as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: UNLV destroys Hoyas
Date: 24 Jan 1993 01:07:42 GMT


The announcers said 6 teams have won at Vegas.  They said Georgetown did it
twice, who won the other 4 games?

Mike
-- 

Within the last few years I remember OU, MU.  I dont know if KU did it at Vagas in the NIT,
the year when UNLV won it all.  That was the year KU beat UNLV, LSU at Baton Rouge, and
St. Johns at MSG to win the Big Apple NIT.
From: urogue@mcl.ucsb.edu (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Who is #1?
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:26:21 GMT

According to Tom Odjakjian, ESPN's program director, "If I had to pick the
three best places in the nation in terms of noise and enthusiasm, they would
be Duke, UCSB, and Rutgers."

Games here at UC Santa Barbara get LOUD.  Freqently, my ears are ringing for a
long time after the game.  They don't call it "The Thunderdome" for nothing.
;-)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: FIANL 64 sites
From: jmeyers@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Jim)
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:42:20 -0600
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Distribution: na

In article <1993Jan23.205849.4440@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         does anybody know where the final 64 sites are
>         for regional and final this yr.?
>         if so let me know at    wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu
> 
> 
> 
>             thank a bunch
>             -kevin

If someone replies or has replied to Kevin, would you please consider
posting the sites for a wider readership?  I would like to have the same
information.  

Thanks,
Jim
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:28:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

hartig@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott E Hartig) writes:
>That's a pretty good question.  I'll admit I don't know the answer to it.
>But here's something else to think about along those same lines:

>What player hit the very first 3-pointer in the NCAA's? (Be careful)

	My guess would be Mark Price -- since the ACC did incorporate the
	3-pt shot for one year back in the early 80's.

	Jazzy J

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: All-time Jayhawks -- need more votes!
From: haverty@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:41:42 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

> 	So far, I've gotten but 6 votes for the All-time Kansas team.
> 	I'd like some more to get better results!  If U know anything about
> 	Kansas basketball, send me an all-time team.  Give me a starting
> 	5 (doesn't have to be based on position) and anyone U want to
> 	have on the bench.  Thanx!

I don't remember all the players, but I think the best team we have
ever had was the 1986 team.... with Calvin Thompson, Ron Kellog, Greg
Dreiling, Cedrick Hunter... I don't recall if Mark Turgon was on the
team then, but that team should have won the final four that year, but
you know who ousted them out.  :)  (In case you don't know... ;)  it
was Duke)  

I can still recall listening to some of those games for the final four
during 1986... the sweet sixteen games that the Hawks played in.
Danny Manning was playing for the Lawrence Lions... along with Chris
Piper... for the State Championchip game.  Those were the good old
days.  :)  But if the Hawks keep playing the way the do in the second
half, we will have some more of those good old days.  (grin)  Later.

John Haverty
Jayhawk fan for life... born and raised in Lawrence Kansas....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Re: Possesion Arrow
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:18:54 GMT

In <1jmul6INN5qi@golf.cis.ohio-state.edu> wlee@cis.ohio-state.edu (Wang-Chien Lee) writes:


>Would someone please tell me how the possesion arrow is decided?
>In a jump ball situation, we look at the possesion arrow to decide
>which side the ball belongs to. However, I never had a clue how it's
>decided. 

>-- wang-chien

It's really easy.  Who ever controls the jump ball gets the first possession.
suppose team X wins the jump ball from team Y.  Now the possession arrow 
points to team Y.  On the next jump ball situation, team Y now gets the ball, 
and the possession arrow switches to team X.  It just alternates between jump
ball situations.

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