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From: ajpg1322@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Angelo J. Paguia)
Subject: Re: help for a questioning couple
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:04:07 GMT

ajpg1322@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Angelo J. Paguia) writes:

>As this is already long, I would just like to point out that your
>frieSecond Vatican's. The transition has not been easy for anybody.
>But, perhaps, it would all give us an incentive to realize that
>Vatican II has challenged the laity to become involved. To coin a
>commercial phrase, but in a serious manThat we may be one.),


>The Fulfillment of the Father's Will, the Peace of Christ and the 
>Strength of the Spirit be with us all (

>Angelo


The system was going down as I was finishing my letter and seems to
have decided to mangle my last paragraph. I had a feeling it was going
to do this. Here's what I remember I was trying to write:

As this is already long, I would just like to point out that your
friend is probably from the generation caught between the teachings
of the First and the Second Vatican. The transition has not been easy 
for anybody. But, perhaps, it would all give us an incentive to realize 
that Vatican II has challenged the laity to become involved. To coin a
commercial phrase, but in a serious manner, we ARE the new generation 
issuing from Vatican II(and I include here our Anglican/Episcopalian,
Orthodox and communal brothers), the future of Christianity (as there 
is no doubt how much the Catholic Church has shaped all Christianity 
today, and ever more so in the future), and the Hands with which the 
harvest must be done.

The Fulfillment of the Father's Will, the Peace of Christ and the 
Strength of the Spirit be with us all (That we may be one.),

Angelo
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From: bobv@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Bob von Buelow)
Subject: Re: Church rules
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:07:32 GMT

In article <9301061550.AA11869@mayo.cs.utk.edu> mayo@CS.UTK.EDU writes:
>>>Actually, you can receive [communion] twice inthe same day now.
>>
>>I guess this is good to hear, but, does this mean "unlimited" or have they
>>now set the limit at two? Also, what does "same day" mean? (Calender,
>>sun-up, sun-down, earth?)
>

Canon 917  One who has received the blessed Eucharist may receive it
again on the same day only within a eucharistic celebration in which
that person participates, without prejudice to can. 921 -2.

Canon 921 -2 Event if they have already received holy communion that
same day, it is nevertheless strongly suggested that in danger of death
they should communicate again.

and also related

Canon 918  It is most strongly recommended that the faithful receive holy
communion in the course of a eucharistic celebration.  If, however, for good
reason they ask for it apart from the Mass, it is to be administered to
them, observing the liturgical rites.

Canon 202 -1 In law, a day is understood to be a space of twenty-four hours,
to be reckoned continuously and, unless expressly provided otherwise, it
begins at midnight ... 

So, I would surmise that if you participated in say 3 Masses on some day,
ie, normal morning Sunday Mass and 2 separate wedding Masses on the same
day, one could receive at each Mass.  Also, since Mass is a communal
celebration at which the Eucharist is celebrated and not visa-versa, I
would think it would be inappropriate to attend a second Mass expressly and
only for the purpose of receiving a second time.

--
Bob von Buelow             Mars Observer Planning and Sequencing Element
bobv@spike.jpl.nasa.gov          - standard disclaimers apply -
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:01:00 EST
From:         "Alfred S. Chavez" <achavez@UMSA.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Church rules

Betty Warner writes:
>Another question:  How does a Catholic keep well-informed?
>Adult faith development sessions don't usually get this detailed.
>What do each of you do as laypeople to know more/enough?

For my money, the best way to keep up on these things is to read the
Catholic press--your own diocesan newspaper or one of the national weeklies
(posted earlier last month) would do it.  When the new chatechism is
available, that will also be a major help.

Also though, IMHO, it's good to remember the words of Christ in the gospel
when it comes to following this rule or that rule slavishly (and Jesus's
general attitude toward those who tended to divinize the law): "the law was
made for man, not man for the law" (sorry, I'm not a good chapter and verse
person).  Caught in similar situations, another quotation has come to mind:
"[character in the gospels, up in a tree; a known sinner], come down. I want to
visit your house!" I then do my best to set aside my scruples and accept the
invitation.  This does not mean we should go about cutting corners all the
time: our general attitude still has to be that we accept the law because it
is meant for our own good.  Going to Communion for reasons of human respect or
when we know we are in a state of serious sin cannot be condoned under any
circumstances.  But we should recognize serendipity tests when they come along
and show that we understand what (or rather, who) comes first.

His Peace,
Fred Chavez
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From:         Carol Goodson <cgoodson@SUN.CC.WESTGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: contributions
              "URSIC@ASTRO.CS.HH.AB.COM" at Jan 7, 93 11:09 am

> Carol, you disillusioned me when you said you'd quit being Catholic if they
> asked you for more money instead of simply saying "no":-)
>
***I have inadvertently misled you:  I could no more stop being Catholic than
I could stop breathing.  I simply meant that I would leave that parish for
another.

> So my question to you, Carol, is would you quit your church if they included
> in their weekly bulletin a list of those who pledged to give 10% more in the
> next year, regardless if your name were on it or not? -J.J.
***no, but I would speak privately to the pastor about it...if that didn't
work, I'd attend the next Parish Council meeting...if THAT didn't work, I'd
run for the Parish Council the next year myself...


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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:57:12 EST
From:         "Michael S. Holtzman" <HOLTZMAN@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Need ph or qi for CMS
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Greetings.  I am hoping to put up a CSO Directory on our VM/CMS
system.  Does anyone have either a client (PH) or server (QI)
for CMS???

I am also looking for a client for MUSIC.

Thanx in advance.

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Michael S. Holtzman      St. John's University    HOLTZMAN@SJUVM
Mgr, Academic Systems    Perboyre Hall, Rm B14    MIKE000@SJUMUSIC
(718) 990-1637           Jamaica, NY 11439
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From:         Richard W Wiggins <RWWMAINT@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: veronica
              4 Jan 1993 13:57:23 GMT from <C.K.Work@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>

>Yes Patrick, you're right ... its just that being an ex-cataloguer moved
>into computing, I've learned that terms like 'structured vocabulary' and
>other libraryish things tend to sometimes generate dispairing looks from
>my computing trained colleagues!
>
>In the context of Veronica, I wonder how elaborate any indexing need be to
>provide a useful enhancement? Even just the top level headings from any
>popular classification scheme would provide some user guidance (but which
>scheme, and what prcedents for the future might this set?)
>
>
>A question - which the list may choose to read as rhetorical - how many
>CWIS developments have involved input from professional library staff (or
>other people with a formal info science background?)
>
>Colin K. Work, Uni. of Southampton Computing Services
>C.K.Work@Southampton.AC.UK

Hmmmm...I think there's a maxim "never answer a rhetorical question"
but: here at Michigan State we made sure to include a librarian on our
menu design task force; we invited someone who helps users (er patrons)
search databases as a part of his everyday work. In general librarians
are embracing the Internet separate and apart from the efforts of
computer center CWIS builders: there are Gophers popping up at various
university libraries. Also, at the recent Coalition for Networked
Information meeting, VTLS showed a prototype public catalog that
essentially incorporates Gopher functionality as an extension of
standard MARC records.

Of course it makes sense to include librarians, as they are indeed in
the business of organizing information. But in practice usually they're
putting things into buckets based on existing classification schemes.
With the explosion of networked information, the question is whether to
try to apply an existing scheme (Library of Congress, Dewey, UDC) or to
create a new approach. If you survey librarians you won't find a
consensus on how to crack this nut. Besides the basic organization
scheme, you've got to decide how many alternate views to support, how
deep a hierarchy to present (ie how many layers in a Gopher tree), how
to distinguish "real" data from chaff, etc.

Recently our Gopher team met with the Head of Cataloging at our library
to try to learn a little more about controlled vocabularies and the
like. In the long run the best answer(s) will probably involve
experimentation informed by both librarians and computer folks.

/Rich Wiggins, Gopher Coordinator, Michigan State U
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From:         "C.K.Work" <C.K.Work@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: veronica
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> Isn't this what libraries (more specifically, library catalogers) have
been
> struggling with for 100+ years?  For "standardised keywords" read
"subject
> headings" or "structured vocabulary."  For "synonym lists" read "cross-
> references."  Not that any of this is easy (we haven't solved the problem
in
> those 100+ years).  But it does indicate where some of the knowledge base
for
> dealing with this growing dilemma lies.
>
> Patrick Flannery
> The American University Library
> flanner@american.edu
>
Yes Patrick, you're right ... its just that being an ex-cataloguer moved
into computing, I've learned that terms like 'structured vocabulary' and
other libraryish things tend to sometimes generate dispairing looks from
my computing trained colleagues!

In the context of Veronica, I wonder how elaborate any indexing need be to
provide a useful enhancement? Even just the top level headings from any
popular classification scheme would provide some user guidance (but which
scheme, and what prcedents for the future might this set?)

The important point you make is lets get the info experts as involved as
possible! We have many computing oriented people developing excellent
tools, but comparatively few people with a formal training in information
management involved in the Internet (at least that's how it seems to me!).

Organising info, designing resource guides etc. etc. is, I believe, a much
tougher problem than software development - but will be increasingly
necessary as the Internet grows.

A question - which the list may choose to read as rhetorical - how many
CWIS developments have involved input from professional library staff (or
other people with a formal info science background?)

Colin K. Work
Uni. of Southampton Computing Services
C.K.Work@Southampton.AC.UK
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:44:24 CST
From:         Dorette Dusterhoft <DUSTERHO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      CWIS in instruction and research

I want to clarify my earlier message in looking for how CWIS is used in
instruction and research.  I'm not looking for the technical 'how to'
but rather how people are actually using CWIS (in that broader context)
for coursework or in their research.

Thanks to those who already responded.  Hope this helps focus the question.
Again, please respond directly to me at address below.

Dorette Dusterhoft     (dusterho@vm1.nodak.edu)
Manager, User Services (701)777-3880
UND Computer Center
North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:21:18 CST
From:         Landy Manderson <USTS034@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Need ph or qi for CMS
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On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:57:12 EST Michael S. Holtzman said:
>Greetings.  I am hoping to put up a CSO Directory on our VM/CMS
>system.  Does anyone have either a client (PH) or server (QI)
>for CMS???

I have ported the qi server code over to our VM/ESA 1.1 system, and managed
to get most of its functionality in place (I haven't finished some of the
encryption stuff).  At the time I started the conversion, I couldn't find
anyone who had already done it (altho I must admit I didn't ask in a lot
of places).  If you'd like to trade code, I would be more than happy to
collaborate.  We are going to use the CSO code for our online telephone
directory, and "user-friendly" mail addresses/forwarding.

I haven't done any work on the ph client 'cause I figured we would use
Rick Troth's VMGOPHER as the main interface, as well as a homegrown thing
to support our departmental listings.  There is a discussion list for
ph that Paul Pomes put me on after I asked him about the qi thing.  They
may have some information about all this as well.

I too would like to hear from anyone else who is doing this.
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From:         "Ellen L. Sleeter" <sleeter@DPW.COM>
Subject: NY Academy of Sciences: Meeting Announcement
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Comments: cc: Pauline Rothstein <PaulineR@rsage.org>

I am posting this message to several lists at the request of Pauline
Rothstein, of the Russell Sage Foundation (PaulineR@rsage.org), who
has been laid up at home with a bad back.

---- Ellen Sleeter
     Information Systems Librarian
     Davis Polk & Wardwell
     450 Lexington Avenue
     New York, NY 10017
     212-450-5848; fax: 212-450-5522
     Internet:  sleeter@dpw.com


* * * * *           MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT         * * * * *

                NEW YORK ACADEMY OF SCIENCES
          Computer and Information Sciences Section


                    Tuesday, January 12, 1993
               at the New York Academy of Sciences
                2 East 63rd Street, New York City
                            8 pm

                       Karen Fraenkel, ACM
                   "The Human Genome Project"



The meeting is free, and does not require advance reservations.
Those with questions are invited to call Pauline Rothstein
at 212-691-0469.

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Is there a mailing list (BITNET or Internet) or nntp news group
for World Wide Web?

Thanks,
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X-Prolog:     Parking Services Department
X-Prolog:     974-3147
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From:         Jim Moran <MORAN@CFRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      University of South Florida Vehicle Registration Procedures
Comments: cc: Ron Driscoll <RDRISCOL@CFRVM.BITNET>,
          "Paul Uravich, Div. O" <URAVICH@CFRVM.BITNET>,
          "Brenda Holley, Parki" <BRENDA@CFRVM.BITNET>,
          Tom Oleson <DDIABAA@CFRVM.BITNET>

1.  We handle vehicle registrations for faculty, staff & students through
the mail as well as across the counter sales.  During peak periods, we
sell decals at multiple locations.

2.  Our abbreviated fee structure is as follows:
    Annual Vehicle Decal........................ $50.00
    Semester Vehicle Decal...................... $26.00
    Remote Vehicle Decal........................ $10.00
    Annual Motorcycle Decal..................... $11.00
    Monthly Vehicle Permit...................... $10.00
    Bicycle Decal............................... FREE

3.  The registrant completes a scantron sheet which we use for our data
entry into our computer system.  Our system is a PC-based, networked,
stand-alone system.  All parking-related application software is written
in-house by our MIS Section.

4.  Traffic citations are written on a hand-held computerized ticket writing
system.  It is an Epson system with touch screen data entry.  At the end of
a shift the enforcement personnel place the machine in a comm cradle which
serves the dual purpose of recharging the battery as well as uploading the
citations written into the PC-host system.  Each machine uploads its data
and then a PC-host batch processes all the information prior to downloading
the latest information (tow list etc.) into the hand held.  The next day,
the enforcement personnel have a machine that is fully charged and it contains
the latest information.  Parking citations range from $10.00 thru $100.00.

5.  Point-of-contact is Jim Moran, Director of USF Parking Services at
813-974-3990.

                                  Thanks,
                                                      Jim Moran
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From:         Dorette Dusterhoft <DUSTERHO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      CWIS in instruction and research

I'm putting together a panel on the topic CWIS in instruction and research
for a symposium.  We're defining CWIS in the broadest sense
to include class notes and schedules which might reside on a campus
CWIS to libraries, gophers and databases both local and remote to which
a CWIS may point.

I'm looking for examples and ideas of how this is currently being done
or how it is envisioned.  Please give me your phone number and e-mail
address if you would be willing to share your experiences or ideas with
me.  If you know of researchers, faculty and/or
support people who are not on this list but who might have something
to share, I'd appreciate names, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses.

Thanks in advance for your response.  As this would interest a limited
audience, I ask that you respond directly to me at dusterho@vm1.nodak.edu.
If there is someone interested in any information I gather, please send
me e-mail and I'll share whatever I receive.

Dorette Dusterhoft     (dusterho@vm1.nodak.edu)
Manager, User Services (701)777-3880
UND Computer Center
North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:02:00 PST
From:         "Terence Hsiao, ASUCLA Publications" <EZBZTSH@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: veronica

------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> > Isn't this what libraries (more specifically, library catalogers) have
> been
> > struggling with for 100+ years?  For "standardised keywords" read
> "subject
> > headings" or "structured vocabulary."  For "synonym lists" read "cross-
> > references."  Not that any of this is easy (we haven't solved the problem
> in
> > those 100+ years).  But it does indicate where some of the knowledge base
> for
> > dealing with this growing dilemma lies.
> >
> > Patrick Flannery
> > The American University Library
> > flanner@american.edu
> >
> Yes Patrick, you're right ... its just that being an ex-cataloguer moved
> into computing, I've learned that terms like 'structured vocabulary' and
> other libraryish things tend to sometimes generate dispairing looks from
> my computing trained colleagues!
>
> In the context of Veronica, I wonder how elaborate any indexing need be to
> provide a useful enhancement? Even just the top level headings from any
> popular classification scheme would provide some user guidance (but which
> scheme, and what prcedents for the future might this set?)
>
> The important point you make is lets get the info experts as involved as
> possible! We have many computing oriented people developing excellent
> tools, but comparatively few people with a formal training in information
> management involved in the Internet (at least that's how it seems to me!).
>
> Organising info, designing resource guides etc. etc. is, I believe, a much
> tougher problem than software development - but will be increasingly
> necessary as the Internet grows.
>
> A question - which the list may choose to read as rhetorical - how many
> CWIS developments have involved input from professional library staff (or
> other people with a formal info science background?)
>
> Colin K. Work
> Uni. of Southampton Computing Services
> C.K.Work@Southampton.AC.UK
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