HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: RE: CABAL stuff
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:28:58 GMT

In article <6OCT92.18240579@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
> *Record cold* 65F
> last night!  Brrrrrrrr!

Oh, right. As someone who hasn't had the sense to close his summer
house yet (in October in New England!), I can say that I'd be quite
delighted to see daytime *highs* of 65F (actually due over the next
couple of days). Try getting up at 6AM when the outdoor temperature is
36F, and the indoor temperature is not much higher.
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From: jmp8p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeannine Marie Pinto)
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:20:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.204507.8082@lclark.edu> klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.185358.3450@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jmp8p@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeannine Marie Pinto) writes:
>>
[In response to some remarks I made about the standing of Measure 9
in the public opinion polls.]

>Jeannine, please take this seriously.  If nothing else, lend us your
>psychic support.  Do not minimize our struggle.


Gretchen:

	Reading your response to my letter made me painfully aware of
the limits of my ability to communicate.  When I said 

>>Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think all too much emphasis has been put on
>>the status of Measure 9.  
      ^^^^^^
what I meant was that the situation is bad *regardless* of whether the
measure passes or not, and *regardless* of it's standing in the polls.  
The poster I was responding to urged us to relax because the polls 
suggest 9 and 2 are losing. I was writing to disagree, saying that the 
struggle is on the rise, whether the measures pass or not. 

	I'm sorry if you read my letter in a way that added to your 
already beleagued feelings. My intent was quite the opposite. I've read 
of the violence, the murders, the vandalism, the terrorism. It pisses
me off.  And it pisses me off more to know that November 3rd will not
resolve this issue. I understand all too well that's it's something we
will all be fighting the rest of our lives.  You're on the front lines
today. Another year, it might well be me. 

Best wishes,

jeannine  


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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 17:31:29 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer):
> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> Listen, Melior, you'd better not try hitching your BMW to David's
> tow truck.  Knowing him only as little as I do, I'd suspect he'd
> say the same thing about your fave iconoblast, that Ciccone girl.

*madonna* is melon's fave iconoblast?
damn!  i guessed reagan.
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:15:47 GMT
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:


>Donald is complaining about (among other things) black
>invisibility.  You're reinforcing it.


Melinda, you believe that I am shallow because I would rather look
for what we all have in common instead of our differences?

I think that it is a virtue. And where do you come off calling names?
I doubt that you know what a twit is. Regardless, I am not one.

If I wanted to respond to your juvenile post with a similar retort,
but much more vicious, you would be quite hurt.

I suggest that you keep your comments pertinent to the substantive, and
stop trying to impress us with your obvious lack of intellectual prowess.


-- 
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Voice: 919-763-4115           |  AND DOGGONE IT, PEOPLE LIKE ME!
From: carlton@scws8.harvard.edu (david carlton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:52:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: scws8.CARLTON.92Oct7085238
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam
In-reply-to: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 11:04:26 GMT

In article <1atd2qINNt2p@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.000810.3872@reed.edu> 
> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> In article <1at35iINNngi@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (the
>> imminently e-fuckable adolphson) writes, about the duel between
>> Madonna and Marlene Dietrich:

>>> Dietrich happens not only to be very dead today,
>>> but just as potent an icon as she ever was in life.

>> I hate to say this to you Arne, but I'd never heard of Marlene
>> Dietrich until you mentioned her on motss a few months ago. 

> Well, Nelson, it's like this.  You may not have heard
> of her, but there isn't a chance in hell that you wouldn't
> have recognized her face, unless you'd spent your entire
> life staring at a slide rule.

I'm with Nelson on this one.  I'd heard of her before a few months
ago, but not before a couple of years ago (when I saw _Blue Angel_ for
a class of mine) (Should there be a "The" in that title?), and just
last year I saw a movie that she was in without realizing that it was
she.  Oh, I suppose it's possible that I'd heard the name before a
couple of years ago; but I wouldn't count on it, and if so it
certainly wasn't a name that I considered important.

david carlton
carlton@husc.harvard.edu

       Now I'm being INVOLUNTARILY shuffled closer to the CLAM DIP
       with the BROKEN PLASTIC FORKS in it!!
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: an anonymous posting
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:56:55 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com



Recently, a muffin asked me to request coming out stories to be posted to the
group.  He is struggling to come out himself and thinks that hearing the
stories of other people coming out could make things easier.

This is about the first time he came out to someone:

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>It was in July of 1989:
>     I was touring the state with a friend of mine who was going to be my
>roommate the following Fall.  We were staying at a friends house for the
>night and got into a deep conversation about life, the universe, and
>everything.  Then we switched to talking about our own hopes and fears and
>wishes.
>     "What is your greatest desire?" was the current question.
>     I didn't want to tell him and knew that I couldn't lie to him, he knew
>me too well and would see right through me.  I told him that I didn't want
>to answer and he was shocked.  He said that we had to trust one another if
>we were to be close friends.  I told him that I was afraid to tell him and
>he said over and over that I could trust him.  He came over to the chair
>that I was sitting on and took my hand for reassurance.  He said that he
>could never be as close to me if I didn't tell him.
>     I decided to tell him, but I was so nervous that I began to shake
>uncontrolably.  I had kept things secret for such a long time that telling
>someone was completely against my nature.
>     "If I could have any wish, I'd wish I was straight," I said shaking even
>more violently than before.  (I know...this question comes up time and again:
>"Would you change if you could?"  Back then...yes.  Now...I don't think so.)
>     At that point, a look of complete suprise crossed his face, and he let
>go of my hand.  I felt completely rejected.  I could see that he was VERY
>uncomfortable, so I said, "You don't have to live with me if it's going to
>bother you."  He said that it was ok, but it wasn't.
>     The next semester was difficult for the both of us.  We never brought
>up that subject, but he never looked at me the same way.  After one semester
>he moved out of my room.
>
>     This SOUNDS like a sad story, but I found out last week that HE was
>attracted to me before I came out to him, but he was having trouble accepting
>it.  When I came out to him, it complicated matters and added to his
>confusion so he couldn't feel comfortable around me since my presence
>kept reminding him that he was gay.

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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Robert Coren has never been flamed
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:20:24 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>There, there, Robert, pay no attention to that mean man
>(they won't even *let* him live in Ireland anymore, that's
>why he's in France) [...]

,
Eamonn McManus
scum on mean man
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:34:35 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <36705@hoptoad.uucp>,
laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton) writes:
> {so why the hell can't I trill a r, needed for perfect
> Spanish and so far impossible for me despite hearing it 
> perfectly, and flunking saying it for more than 15 years!!}

I've never been able to roll my Rs,
not for want of trying.
I must be a disappointment to
the parents who named me.

> Laura Creighton 

Cilantro? Eaurgh!

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*scaphocephalus* n. a boat-shaped head"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: 'Innocent Victims' grab AIDS dollars
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:47:47 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:

>I heard on the international gay and lesbianradio magazine THIS WAY OUT that
>40 PERCENT of the NIH AIDS research budget is being assigned to research on
>drugs for PEDIATRIC AIDS cases, even though children with AIDS make up only
>TWO PERCENT of the people with the disease.

	Yes, this is true.

>The report said that it was unclear whether Congress knew that by mandating the
>level of Pediatric AIDS research while not explicitly provoding for it in
>the overall AIDS budget that the money would have to come from money that would
>go towards fighting AIDS in the majority of cases [gay men, IVDU].

	You're kidding right (well, I mean the report was kidding,
right?)  OF COURSE THEY KNEW!

>
>Regardless, the result is that adult AIDS programs are being scaled back.
>Anyone know more about this?

	Yes, we have Paul Michael Glaser's wife to thank for this.
She is one of the primary lobbyists for this action.  She was also
the token PWA to speak at the DNC (yes, the *DNC* not the *RNC*!!!!!!)

	This should send a strong message to those who think
that voting Democrat in 3 weeks will somehow "save" us.  In the
end it's just a change of the litter box, a new receptacle to dump
the smae ol' shit.

	But hey - otherwise John Q. Public's $$$ goes to help
faggots and drug addicts.

BBC
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 04:46:31 GMT


In article <1992Oct10.013802.13204@adobe.com>
asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:

>In article <1992Oct10.011549.18951@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Oh nobody much.  Just Beethoven, Pushkin, Liszt, Dostoevsky,
>>and a smattering of painters.

>Important cultural figures, certainly, but hardly cultural
>icons.

What is an icon?  It is a symbol imbued with meaning and
cultural value by virtue of its history in relation to a
major factor of the human experience.  Each of those persons
is the summation of an entire age, of a complete and
enduring aspect of their own times.  In matters of scale, it
would not surprise me if 4 billion people think of Beethoven
when they think of classical music.  Not many things --
perhaps Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, and Yahweh -- are more
iconic than that.

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:09:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct9.040954.19694
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I took a philosophy class in high school, and it was pretty good. We
spent the entire first semester working through The Republic, and we
used Bloom's translation. I can't really judge how good of a
translation it was, except that I found the annotations to be useful
and the whole thing read rather well.

However at one point in the middle of class, my professor (who could
read ancient Greek quite well) stopped, looked at the class, read a
sentence, and then said "this was deliberately mistranslated!" We
looked a little closer, and you see a Bloom footnote (there were 100
pages of them), and he's making some big point of his own on the basis
of this mistranslation. I wish I marked it down - I'd love to go look
this up and see if what my professor said is true.

The teacher took a lecture class from Bloom, and said that he would
always show up for lecture completely drunk.

ObMotss - in the Oregonian yesterday they had an article that included
four passages of text, and the OCA's interpretation of how they would
be treated in schools. One of the passages was from a novel that was
quoting the bit in Plato's Symposium, the "theory" that humans were
split in half, and if both genders of the half were the same then the
newly split people were homosexual, and if the genders were different
the new people were heterosexual. The OCA said it would be "questionable"

Unfortunately, they did not ask if the Symposium itself would be
teachable, under the OCA amendment. I don't see how it could be.  "The
highest love is that between two men".
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                  Where do you conceal the gun in a bikini?
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: ==> Clinton/Gore On Gay and Lesbian Issues
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:14:14 GMT

In article <92288.165433U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>           ...A Clinton/Gore Administration would
>support a federal gay civil rights bill that
>respects freedom of religion by exempting religious
>organizations; and that provides clear evidentiary
>standards to be used in court.

So are religious organizations exempted from anti-employment-
discrimination laws with respect to race, sex, religion,
disability, marital status, Vietnam-era veteran status, etc?

Allowing religious organizations to continue to discriminate
in employment on the basis of sexual orientation panders to
the mistaken belief that a person's sexual orientation and/or
private sexual behavior (1) is any business of their employer
and (2) has any bearing on their ability to perform a job.  I
would suggest that it represents an intrusion of religious
beliefs in legislation that violates the constitutional
separation of church and state.
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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: Couple (2) of things...
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:06:10 GMT


...in today's (10/9/92) New York Times.  There are three
gay-related letters-to-the-editor, two of them in response
to recent Quayle comments on homosexuality (the third is on
Oregon's Measure 9).  One I especially liked took Quayle to
task for his allegation that Clinton called for affirmative
action for gays/lesbians.  It's from Gregory King,
Communications Director of the Human Rights Campaign Fund
(HRCF).  Here's an extract:

    The Vice President's claim that the Administration
    doesn't "think it's anybody's business" to ask someone
    about sexual orientation is nonsense.  The Federal
    Emergency Management Agency [FEMA] went so far as to
    create a list of its gay employees, until Congress and
    the news media intervened this year.

    Each year, the Bush Administration discharges an average
    of 1,500 competent and qualified members of the armed
    forces, solely because of sexual orientation, at a cost
    of $27 million annually, according to a General Accounting
    Office study.  We could make a small cut in the Bush
    deficit by implementing Dan Quayle's claim and simply stop
    asking recruits about their sexual orientation.

Another item in the NYTimes is an ad for this Sunday's New
York Times Magazine, which has a cover story entitled "Gay
Politics Goes Mainstream."  The blurb goes, "out of the closet
and into the voting booth, gay men and lesbians are becoming
major players for the first time in a Presidential election."
Check it out...

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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:12:35 GMT

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>In article <67739@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)  
>writes:
>} Donald Agarrat and Howard Solomon --
>}
>} SHORTEN YOUR LINES, BOYS, THEY'RE TOO LONG.
>} 
>} Thank you.

>*hangs his head outside of the front window and yells, "ALRIGHT, LISTEN CUTE  
>HUNKY MEN!  THE LAST 100 OF YOUS GOTS TO GO HOME!*

>Howie, it's your turn ...

Darling, I hate to do this, but there's *still* *too* *many*. Cute
very nearly gets cut in the above. You'll just have to cut back
further. (Use my length (!!) as a guideline. An Ideal. I know everyone
else does...)

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video rumors
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:12:01 GMT

TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:

>In article <Bvt580.4Ev@agora.rain.com>
>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
> 
>>There is a rumor making the rounds that (in the form I heard it)
>>[...]
>Okay, it's not true. But has anyone noticed how hard it is (stop snickering, me
>n) to get a gay or lesbian-themed video in a Blockbuster? Back when "Henry and
>June" ("Emmanuelle" with pretensions, IMHO) came out with its NC-17 rating, BB
>announced it would not carry NC-17 movies. But I wonder now whether the store h
>as quietly extended this policy to gay movies as well. No "Desert Hearts," no "
>Lianna," no "Longtime Companion," etc. You get the picture. Or maybe it's cause
> I'm in ALabama, where the greatest demand is for tractor-pull and wrestling vi
>deos...
> 
BB is the only mainstream video store in north Alabama that carries
"Longtime Companion".  Of course, they only have one copy and it's 
*always* checked out.

Blockbuster is probably like most other franchised chains -- some basic 
operational guidelines but individual store-owners have a lot of leeway.
If a pnw manager *did* contribute to OCA it wouldn't surprize me.  But
it will be interesting to see how the "chain" responds to such a political
statement.

-jeff
From: rick@siemens.com. (Rick Taft)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: amnesia
Summary: can't remember
Keywords: amnesia, science fiction
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:22:53 GMT


	 I'm reading this SF book that I got from A Different Light's
	 mailing list.  (Sorry, I can't remember the title or author
	 and I don't have the book here at work.)  It involves someone
	 with amnesia and this brought the question to my mind:

	 Is there any cases known of an amnesiac's sexual preference
	 being different before losing his/her memory from after?

	 This change in sexuality doesn't come up in the story, it
	 just occured to me.  In the story, most people seem to be
	 bisexual, although heterosexual encounters are more frequent
	 and the relationships longer lasting.

	 -Rick


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From: chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: The Unwritten Law
Followup-To: chuckm@tcs.com
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:28:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.045633.19575@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct13.035211.18629@netcom.com>
>jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>>>Then, some people react to this cognitive dissonance with an "aha!"
>>>and realize the the whole line they've been fed is a crock of
>>>silliness, say their final fuck-yous to their co-religionist
>>>tormentors, and get on with their lives free at last of all
>>>that nonsense.
>
>>Alas, if only it were that easy.
>
>Well, actually, I think it *is* that easy; the hitch is, you
>can't know that until you know it.  I think it's the idea of
>doing it, more than the fact of doing it, that holds a lot
>of people back.  I think coming out more generally, quite
>apart from religion, I mean, has this same quality: the fear
>of doing it is more of a crisis than actually *doing* it.
>
>-- 
It was easy for me to separate my religous beliefs from the fact
that I am gay.  Yes, I still consider myself a christian.  I also
feel that for whatever reason (and someday I hope to be able to ask
why in person) God, or whatever Higher Power you wish to believe in,
chose for me to be gay.  This made my life much easier.  If God (tm)
decided that I was to be gay, and I actively chose to go against that
decision, THEN I was a sinner.  To be able to say, 'Hey, this is who
I am', and know in my heart that this is right and just, is truly
a blessing from God.

As to organized religion, that was even easier to deal with.  Read
your history books (including the bible).  More wars have been fought,
more people persecuted, and sadly more people killed, in the name of
religion than for any other reason.  Organized religion is organized
oppression and nothing more.  It's OK to believe in God and NOT 
believe in the Church.

Chuck

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