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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:24:21 -0500
From:         ANTHLAL@UMNACVX.BITNET
Subject:      the stars at night are big and bright

anybody wanna road-trip to houston?

anybody?

anybody?

oh, come on, it'll be fun.  where else can you go and wade in mushy
asphalt?  and it's not all that far from austin, relatively speaking.
for texas, that is.

c'mon....black gold!  texas tea!  the space center!  oil money!
and we can go to san antonio, too!
and visit bush's legal address!
                                  * * *anneliese "the alamo hasn't got a
                                       basement" l.
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:43:22 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the vanilla coalition

>>A majority in Congress can block anything.  Therefore, they can just
>>say no, but if they do, it is the president's fault?
>
>While it may not be George's fault (which is certainly debateable)
>a president who cannot get anything through congress, who cannot
>build consensus, who cannot engender cooperation . . .
>
>might be called:
>
>                   I N E F F E C T I V E

So?  That's often better than the alternatives.

Suppose that Congress wanted to do <bad thing> and the president
wanted to do <good thing>.  They dig in their heels and he's unable to
get his program through.  Is he ineffective?  Sure, <good thing>
didn't happen, but cooperation would have meant <bad thing>, so
ineffectiveness is preferable.

The goal isn't to get programs enacted no matter what, it is to get
GOOD programs enacted AND to avoid BAD ones.

-andy
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:14:00 -0400
From:         "Satan For President-- Let's Get it Out in the Open"
              <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Slips of the tongue

>how is it that elected officials can lose the connection
>between their brain and their tongue so easily.

I think it's surgically removed when you first take the oath of
office.

>I was reading _Newsweek_ earlier and noted that Bush,
>when talking about Clinton said he was from Arkansas,
>that state "between Texas and Oklahoma".  As anyone
>with a map handy can tell, there are no states between
>Texas and Oklahoma.

On September 7th, 1988, Bush, when speaking to a group of veterans,
referenced Parl Harbor.  Said that it was on that day that the
Japanese bombed pearl harbor and quoted Churchill's comments about how
it was a day that "will live in infamy."  What Bush did not seem to
notice, however, was that he was three months off.  Pearl Harbor is
December 7th, not September 7th.

>What happened?  Did Bush say this himself?  If so, how
>can we re-elect him president?  How did we every elect
>him in the first place?  Did someone else write it for
>him?  If so, I hope s/he is fired.

Probably not.  As Reagan demonstrated so aptly, contempt for fact is
hardly a virtue that will do you harm at the polling boths.  In some
cases, it even helped him.

--Julie


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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:51:34 -0500
From:         "Chris A. Sloffer" <SLOFFER_CHRIS_A@LILLY.COM>
Subject:      Am I still subscribed?

HELP!...

For some reason, I have not received anything from politics for several days,
last Thursday, I think....

I know that our node still hears the Internet, from other messages I have
received.  Could the listowner check and see if I somehow became unsubbed?

I was sub'ed as either sloffer@lilly.com or sloffer_chris_a@lilly.com.
Either one works.


Thanks, and sorry to send this directly to the list..


Hope to hear from you all soon.

Chris
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:15:12 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      question on polls

Hi, y'all:
After surviving that unique nightmare known as "late freshman advising and
registration" this morning, I had an interesting chat with one of my
colleagues who was actually a delegate at the 1968 and 1980 democratic
conventions.  Neat stuff.  Anyway, he said he'd stayed up late last night
to watch whatever call-in show CNN was offering.  He says most of the
callers were folks who were switching from the Republican to the Democratic
ticket.  If anyone else watched, is this what happened?

He also said that a poll (ABC maybe) shows Hillary Clinton's approval
ratings up something like 10% since the start of the Republican convention.
Anyone know if this is right?

Thanks!
Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:41:00 -0400
From:         "Men-- can't live with 'em,
              can't shoot 'em" <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GOP & equality

Rufus:  You can't be serious.

Well, then again, in 1964 people thought that the idea of Reagan as
Governor of California was an absolute joke, and we ended up stuck
with him as President.

I guess I'd best not underestimate Quayle (yeeks)

--Julie
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>That's it. I will no longer comment on the GOP Convention. I will let
>them go on to, as the former Mayor Dealy once said, "higher and higher
>platitudes."

  Jeeze Dave, that's Daily, as in a daily paper.  The least
you could do is spell it right.  I mean, that really irks me.
You are always doing things like that.

                             -Tim

  (My grammer and spelling is consistantly gooder than yours.)


(for you overly earnest folks out there who weren't around
 at the end of june, don't respond!  it's a trap!)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:59:04 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GOP & equality
              20 Aug 1992 13:31:00 -0400 from
              <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE>

Julie:

I apprecite that these are the *feelings* you have concerning Quayle.
What I would like to know is what Quayle has actually done or said
to make you feel this way.

Thanks.

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:12:54 CDT
From:         The Life of the Party <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Information Sources

I've been reading old mail from rufus, covering my travel time from
DC to SD, and I think this bit about information sources is an
interesting one.

The magazines I subscribe to are Spin, Garbage, E, Buzzworm, the Utne
Reader and the World Monitor. Maclean's, a canadian newsweekly, is on
my reading list every time I go to the campus library, as are the
occasional Time and Newsweek.

During the school year, I read the Sioux Falls Argus Leader and the
Minneapolis Star-Tribune. Over the summer, I read the Washington Post
and the New York Times, as well as the Village Voice. I'd read them
here if I didn't have to make a 60 mile drive to find a copy, at least
for the Voice. Since the Wall Street Journal is the newspaper of
Corporate America, I find it a decent source for environmental problems
and fines on corporations that cause them.

I rarely find time for TV beyond Murphy Brown and Star Trek, The New
Generation. When I wish to catch something specific, I go for CNN,
and although I occasionally catch an interesting interview or hearing
on C-Span, I don't watch much of that. I know people who work for the
local broadcast channels, and that doesn't inspire me to pay much
attention to the local news. I wake up most days to the sound of
Morning Edition and then miss All Things Considered, even when I really
want to catch it.

And, of course, I get much information about the views behind the news
by reading POLITICS.

Dave
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"and I know my life
 would be all right
 if I could see it on the silver screen"
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:01:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      57 Posts and Nothing to Read

August is soooo boring.

Carl-----+
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:32:00 EDT
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Cross-posted from FIREFLY-L

> This isn't really politics, but it's starting to bug me.  Wasn't
> "Rufus T. Firefly" a fictional character (a persona of either
> WC Fields or Groucho Marx?)?  If so, in what?

As the list's official defender of Marxism, I will tell you that it
was Groucho in Duck Soup.  He was appointed the ruler of the nation
of Freedonia, and managed to get it into a war with Sylvania, in
spite of Margaret Dumont's best efforts.  ("The last man nearly
ruined this place, he didn't know what to do with it, if you think
this country's bad off now, just wait till I get through with it!").
Chico plays a spy for one side, Secretary of War for the other side,
and a peanut vendor.  Harpo winds up in bed with a horse.  Zeppo gets
to announce Groucho at a party again.  And, of course, there's the
mirror scene, the trial scene, the war song.  One of the funniest
films ever made.

Best,
Peter

> --Missy Prez 2 B
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:18:02 CDT
From:         "rufus t. firefly" <U9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reading List

>I was just wondering where everyone obtains their
>information?  What magazines are read?  What
>newspapers?  What news programs are watched or
>heard?

  Well, *I* keep up on current events through
People Magazine.

  (with apologies to ex-brownie and activist Amy C.)

                          -T
***********

  i hope you ask for help with some of the bigger words when you need
it, tim. after all, you're running for office, and people will be
trying to help you all the time. i'd hate to see you get mad at them.

rtf
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From:         "Men-- can't live with 'em,
              can't shoot 'em" <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Night 3 at the ol' RNC

>> (One Person with AIDS dies
>>every 10 minutes, on the average) but I expect him to know when it's
>>someone prominent and I wish he'd [BUSH] really care.
>
>Caring by _____________________ ?

(1) Removing his border restrictions for People With AIDS (PWA's).

(2) Publically stating that he believes that discrimination based on
HIV status is abysmal.

(3) Supporting the FDA's suggestion that business pay a $150,000 fee
to apply for a new drug's legalization therby speeding up FDA approval
processes.

(4) Coming up with a POLICY on AIDS.

(5) Decriminalizing needle exchange.

(6) Supporing condom distribution.

>(twenty-five words or fewer, please)

I did my best.

>Is this going to be more spending on research?  Let's not go through
>that again.  Somehow throwing more money at it doesn't necessarily
>mean a solution will be found sooner.

There are an immense number of TAT inhibitors which we have not yet
been able to test effectively because of the limited resources for
AIDS care.  These inhibitors could be major breakthroughs in treatment
because while AZT affects only isolated problems, it is useless
against the more common chronic illnesses associated with AIDS.  TAT
inhibitors would fight these illnesses.  While not a cure, it is a
major life-sustaining element in the fight against AIDS but Federal
funding has not increased in proportion to the number of new AIDS
cases and there are not enough funds to support research into this.

How many more people will die while we wait?

--Julie

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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:57:47 -0500
From:         Rick George <RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET>

>prolife position eloquently.  The question "who else's would it be?"
>is NOT an admission of prochoice sentiment; it is an acknowledgment of the
>FACT of the physical situation.  Short of tying his granddaughter to a post
>and watching her 24 hours a day, he can no more stop her from having an
>abortion physically than he can stop her, when she is not physically in
>his presence, from committing suicide, running over small children, or
>burning down the White House.  That would not make any of those things
>right.

This, of course, is a value judgement.  Abortion is not against
the law, whereas committing suicide, running over small (or large)
children, and burning down the White House are all illegal.

>I may not trust Bush on this issue, because of his past history.  But I
>have to admit, he has been committed to the cause since 1980, and he
>hasn't made any mistakes so far.

>--Missy Prez 2 B

I guess that if I were Pro-Life I'd be wary of Bush's commitment
to the Pro-Life movement, too.  His "who else's would it be?"
response to Phillip's question about whether the decision to have
an abortion rests with the woman strongly suggests that his
pre-1980 beliefs are still rattling around inside him somewhere.
After all, his administration and the Republican Party are trying
to make the decision to have an abortion rest with the law (or the
Constitution).  His aides say that he didn't express himself clearly
on NBC.  Perhaps he expressed himself too clearly.

...Rick
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:36:00 CDT
From:         the annoying will inherit the earth <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      They gotta raise; I didn't

>     Here recorded are the votes for the Senate pay raise last summer
>which also banned honoraria.
>Source:  _Congressional Quarterly Weekly Report_  July 20, 1991

***** SLIME LIST DELETED *****

>Though I certainly don't want to be in the position of defending
>Democreeps for god's sake - those who keep railing about the
>*democratic* congress voting themselves a pay raise might take
>note that of the *democratic* senate a greater percentage of the
>Repugnants voted for the pay raise.  Personally, I think they are
>all slime, except for Jesse Helms, he's muck.

You will notice, however, that the SD senators, Pressler and Daschle,
voted against the pay raise. (I didn't think you needed the whole list
again)

I don't think they are all slime. Just mostly.

>Steve

Dave
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"I saw to shooting stars last night
 I wished on them, but they were only satellites
 Is it wrong to wish on space hardware?
 I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care"
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:23:00 EDT
From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is (Barbara) Bush pro-choice? (answer: yup)

MacPhil interjects:
>>>*Now*, can we say for sure that Barbara Bush is pro-choice?
>>i had always understood that babs was pro-choice. i thought it was
>>common knowledge.
>I'm not sure removal from the platform is an indication of pro-choice.

In and of itself, it is not.  However, supplemented with a quote
from "babs" like this, from today's Detroit News (a conservative rag,
no less!  Were their spin doctors at the mall or something?), it becomes
a rather strong indication:

"It's a personal choice, is what I'm saying....  A personal thing.  The
personal things should be left out of, in my opinion, platforms and
conventions."

While this, and other quotes in the article, were heavily weighted in favor
of the idea of not having the Republican platform take a stand on abortion,
it would seem that if Barbara Bush believes abortion is a personal choice
where platforms and conventions are concerned, she would likely believe it to
be a personal choice where the law is concerned, as well.  (She also agreed
that issues of homosexuality are matters of personal choice).

This has already spawned some interesting interpretations.  Some, including
Nancy Sternoff, executive director of the National Republicans Coalition for
Choice, see it as an effort by the Republicans to play the issue th ways
as they head into their convention next week.  Others, like Phylis Schafely,
just brushed off Barbara's comments.  (Phylis' quote was: "It isn't news.  Her
position has been known for some time.  The timing indicates the pro-choicers
are trying to distract from their defeat of this week.").  Will it help the
Prez's hand?  We'll see.  According to a MSU poll released today, Clinton has
a 50%-31% lead over Bush in Michigan, and trails among voters in virtually
every demographic group in the state, including women who oppose abortion.

>MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu

Gary W. Olson                 "The great and direct end of government is
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                               be not effectively done, government is an evil."
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: I know that you probably don't like people cross posting from
              13 Aug 1992 10:55:52 BST from <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>

How a (mechanical) voting machine works:

There's this huge machine with all the candidates names on it, and a lever
beneath each one.  When you go into the machine (behind a curtain, so
no one can tell how you are voting) you pull a really big lever, which
essentially locks the machine for the time you are in it.  (Problems
arise when people change their mind about wanting to vote after
going in).  You push the little levers for the candidate you want, and
then, when you are done, you pull the big lever again to move the
curtain aside and lock in your vote inside the machine.  (I believe the
votes are recorded on paper inside the machine, but I could be wrong
here.)  Pulling the big lever finalizes your vote and prepares the machine
for the next voter.

Certain problems arise with this method in that it is possible,
through various means, to prevent the levers from being entirely
secured, so that your vote can be falsified at the voting site.
This is why many localities have gone to the punch-card method of
voting (which, IMHO, is not nearly as much fun.)

At the end of the day, the machine is opened and the ballots are counted.
Theoretically, no one but the election officials have *any* access to
ballots, and officials from both parties are required to be present during
the physical counting of the ballots and during all phases of the process
in which the physical ballots are accessible.  In places that use
mechanical voting machines, inspectors tour the polling places to make
sure that the levers are working the way they are supposed to be.

--Missy P 2 B
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: remedial civics; or,
              moral outrage as the lingua franca of the gop

Rick:

I don't know where you get your information, but Kemp and Quayle are
personal friends and political allies.

--Missy P 2 B

And Kemp was GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't inhale.  And Clean your House, people; this place is a pigsty.
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