HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Bad News
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:02:33 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1h7o4tINNspp@agate.berkeley.edu> curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.174834.29117@wam.umd.edu> kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
>>Oh.  I thought I was supposed to be Goddess of Unmotivated, Procrastinating,
>>Aimless Graduate Students Who Moan and Bitch A Lot Yet Refuse to Get A
>>Real Job.
>
>Uh.  Okay.
>
>Do you, like, have altars?  Conveniently located?


Every time you read Usenet instead of working on your thesis/dissertation/
research/slave-work for advisor you are worshipping me.  TV and computer
screens everywhere are my altars.


yong-mi
hey, I worship myself
From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: CARASSO: WHAT I DID DURING CHRIST-MASS
Date: 25 Dec 92 12:48:24 GMT
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Anyone would think that Jon Knight constituted the Roger C. fan club.
Pass the sick bag....

L.

** Pele? Wasn't he a soccer player? - talk.bizarre readers **
From: grendel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (The Crow of Desperation)
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Another Seasonal Song
Date: 27 Dec 1992 21:14:18 GMT
Organization: The Church of Pat
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <BzxGuL.Fw3@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM> jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods) writes:
*Happy birthday to me,
*Happy birthday to me,
*Happy birthday to me,
*
*Now fuck off and die.
*

Hey!  It's my dog's birthday, too.  How about that....


Mark "You're one year closer to dying" Lippert
From: hirschgm@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
Subject: Not for easily bored people
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:43:14 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Good news for all of you, I'm leaving for the holidays.  Bad news, I'll be back
in mid-January.

(The following is a set of diseased imaginings brought on by a Bolo game)

	Once the firing had died down a bit, he ventured forth in search of
trees.  All that was left, though, was rubble and two or three parking lots. 
Growing bolder, and believing his enemies to be back on their own little
islands, he went farther afield.  About a mile and a half from his sanctuary,
he was wiped out by a crossfire from three pillboxes combined with a cleverly
placed land mine.  Such is life.

					--Joachim
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: New Identity
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:23:36 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <BzMA2o.24n@tegra.com> vail@tegra.com (Johnathan Vail) writes:
>In article <1gtps7INN688@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> operjfw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Waldby) writes:
>>   as I taste first blood.
>
>Blair would use a straw

Ar, matey.

				--Blair
				  "Currently drinkin' the
				   blood of the cola-nut."
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser)
Subject: Re: Rape is a crime of violence
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:00:21 GMT

an781@anon.penet.fi (Fury) writes:
>Rape is not a crime of violence.  Rape (date rape, at least) is a 
>crime of sex.

oh please..  not this thread again.  rape comes in many different
kinds, dependent on circumstance, relationship, method, and result.
arguing the 'criminal' element is pretty simple, it is the lack
of intelligent consent as well as intent.  it is the severity of
this type of crime that makes us question what is 'criminal' about
it, in an attempt to define it.

....jeff
From: pueschgj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: ANYONE TAKEN SELF DEFENSE?
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:50:31 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

 Have any of you heard of a good self defense class
ever taken one
what kind of things did they teach you
how effective was it?
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Contracts (was Re: Rape Law Reform)
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:46:11 GMT

rpetsche@mrg.tmc.edu (Rolfe G. Petschek) writes:
>Ok.  A man calls a woman, tells her he is a worker at the hospital at
>which she just got some tests.  He also tells her that she is very sick
>and will die without treatment and that there are two possible
>treatments:  1) a painful operation involving a cost of $20,000 and 2) a
>act which will appear to be sexual activity with a man and will only
>cost $1,000.  They agree on the latter form of treatment, she shows up...

>Generally speaking it is not rape if informed consent is possible and no
>significant coercion is used even if a strategem, however vile is
>employed to obtain consent.  The case above has facts for fraud, but not
>for rape.

In what sense was her consent "informed consent" to the sexual activity?  She
believed that it was medical treatment rather than sexual activity going on.
There's no way this is informed consent.  And in what sense is it not coercion
if you tell someone they're going to die if they don't participate?  (If
necessary, replace "die" with "die or have to spend $20,000".)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Survivors v. Queers
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:01:05 GMT

In article <1h1mr1INN3sk@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>
>On the other hand, from what I've seen, societal opression of queers will
>tend to be more deep-seated and more vehement than its dislike of
>survivors.  Harassment of survivors will tend to be more psychological, and
>not really malicious, as much as stupid and ignorant.  Harassment of queers
>tends to be more active, and more malicious.  On at least one level,
>however, psychological/emotional pain will be much nastier than physical
>damage ... certainly this is true in the case of most survivors I know,
>where physical injuries healed much faster than the emotional ones
>(the question of whether or not these scars ever heal completely, and if
>not, to what extent they do heal, on an average, is something I still don't
>know enough about).

One thing I've noted is that those doing the harassing of both
survivors and people with alternative lifestyles tend to be the same
people.  The opportunists, the
cowardly predators in this world walk around looking for easy targets.
I like to think of these types as hyenas.  They do not deserve the
consideration due to the honorable or the innocent.

>It's OK to be a survivor, really.  It's OK to be queer, really.  Why do you
>have to be so damned vocal about it, though? Why do I have to know about it,
>to hear you talking about it?  Just shut up and go back into the closet ...
<deleted>
>It may be time to start making some noise ...

Is it though?  I'm a survivor, and though I'm not queer, I also don't
exactly lead a perfectly normal lifestyle.  It's been my experience if
you "make some noise" about being different then you can have the
opposite effect than you want.  I've found that the small things
really make the difference.  I feel a lot more change for the good has
been made when you simply continue with your life in an honest,
straightfoward manner.  That's not to say that you sit down and shut
up when some bigot is spewing their garbage.  A friend of mine finally
"came out of the closet" out of high school.  No noise, no fanfare,
just a simple resolve to deal honestly with people about who he is,
and if they can't deal with it, then that's their problem.
Interestingly, some of our friends who *used* to be openly homophobic,
lost a lot of their homophobia as a result.  He hasn't made a lot of
noise, but by being who he is he's changed our little corner of the
world a little bit for the better.  

This hasn't been intended as a flame, but as a genuine question.  It's
a possibility that such tactics won't work everywhere, and it's
certain that it requires more than just a few people doing it.

-- 
Anmar Mirza   # Chief of Tranquility  #My Opinions! NotIU's!#Purveyor of
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N9ISY (tech)  # Somewhere out on the  # Politicians prefer  #family values
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From: anon.106@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: MEN who've been RAPED:  Talk Show
Date: 24 Dec 1992 06:29:20 +1030
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
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Can anyone tell me the re-broadcast date of the Jane Whitney
Nighttalk Show which featured three men who had been raped.  I
believe it first broadcast in Detroit in early August and has
been re-broadcast since.  I guess I missed it both times :-<

I need the re-broadcast date as Burrelle Transcripts wasn't
operating at the time of the original broadcast and they seem
incapable of doing the sleuthwork themselves.

Actually I would be glad to buy a tape version of this show if
anyone has it.

Chris


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Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: mscarce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Scarce)
Subject: Re: Man rapes Man
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:15:34 GMT

     Yes, there was a case of alleged gay male acquaintance rape here in 
Columbus, Ohio. A man by the name of Russell Stalk was accused, but found not 
guilty. The 1991 National Crime Survey released by the U.S. Bureau of Justice 
reports that approximately 13,000 of the 168,000 annual rapes in the United 
States involved male victims (approximately 7.7%). These stats are only for 
adult men who are raped, not children.
     I am doing research on the topic of adult male rape and would appreciate 
any sources or info available, even personal accounts via E-Mail. I wrote an 
article on this topic and it will soon be published in the quarterly NCASA 
journal (National Coalition Against Sexual Assault).
Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: an781@anon.penet.fi (Fury)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Rape is a crime of violence
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:04:20 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: talk.rape


 
Rape is not a crime of violence.  Rape (date rape, at least) is a 
crime of sex.

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Newsgroups: talk.rape
From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Playwrite needs help
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:11:09 GMT

Hi.
 
  My name is Jeremy Holstein, I'm a junior at Skidmore College and I am
beginning work on a play involving rape.  This has been a very
difficult play for me to write, both in terms of the fact that I have
no first hand experience with rape (and hope that I never do) and also
in what I want to do with my play.
  My play is going to enact a rape (big suprise there, no?), but is
going to do so from two perspectives, both the male and the female.
To qualify, what will be portrayed is the statistically average rape,
male raping female.  I haven't determined wether this will be a
date-rape yet.
  In my research for this paly I have been able to find many accounts
of rapes of this type from the female perspective, but I am hard
pressed to find accounts from the rapists view.  When I do find
references they are usually paraphrased from the police-reports of the
rapists' confessions.  Can anyone point me in the right direction to
find testimony of this kind?  It would be much apprecaited.
  Thanks,
  -Jeremy Holstein
  
-- 
This is my sig file.
From: pcs$1699@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: SEXUAL HARASSMENT
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:05:19 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Has anyone out there had to press sexual harassment charges
against a teacher.  If so, how did the school handle the
situation, how did you handle the situation, and what 
happened to the teacher?  

Connie
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Man rapes Man
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:07:56 CST
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Dec16.201052.1@d0gslb.fnal.gov>, holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov
(Daniel B. Holzman) writes:
>In article <mcgeegt.921215210742@eng.auburn.edu>, mcgeegt@eng.auburn.edu
>(Gary T. McGee) writes:

>> Does anyone know of a case where a man raped another man?
>> 
>> If so, please let me know the circumstances and how the case turned out.
>
>Lots of cases.  Circumstances range from parent molesting child to prison
>rape to man going out drinking with his boss, passing out, and waking up
>being raped.  I don't know of a single case reported to the police.

Damn, this strikes a personal note close to home.  As any readers of asar know,
I'm one of those people who didn't report anything to the police.

But I can't think of anything that could have happened in my favor if I did.  I
didn't have bruises, or other marks, there wasn't any physical evidence of what
he did and tried to do...

If I did go to the police, could they have done anything?  And would they,
expecially considering that he is an ex-county cop!

Thoughts/opnions/etc welcome on this one!

<><><><>
Krikket (a.k.a. Doug Krick)  ---  krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us
#include<std.disclaimers>    ---  an294@anon.penet.fi
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 "And the Germans killed the Jews.  And the Jews killed the Arabs.
  And the Arabs killed the hostages.  And that is the news."
From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductiveness
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:32:46 GMT

                                  Monday, the 21st of December, 1992

I see that Rob Jellinghaus quotes in his .sig:
              "Next time you see a lie being spread or a bad 
               decision being made out of sheer ignorance,
               pause, and think of hypertext."
                             -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_

I know this is a little off the topic, but it'll be a little while
before I finish a response to Mikhail's last to me, and I wanted
to comment that this one sentence epitomizes everything that irked
me (and still irks me) about K. Eric Drexler's book.

                Mike Morris
           (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)


Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.arts.books
From: robj@netcom.com (Rob Jellinghaus)
Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductiveness
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: net
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:01:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.182537.18766@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>However, convinced that I have accomplished my
>goals, I will treat the average blithering would-be repudiation in the
>manner I have recently adopted for the benefit of Skippy and his
>buddies.

Fair enough.  I also feel that I've accomplished my goals in this.

>Surely your beliefs have a plausible explanation in the failure of
>your confederates to convict me of error in reasoning.  Notably, they
>are not substantiated by any objective evidence of my prejudice in
>this, or any other matter.

You are entirely correct; I do not know that you have ever taken any
prejudiced action against anyone.  My belief that you are fundamentally
bigoted against gays was unjustified; it may very well be that you have
arrived at your conclusions as rationally as you know how.  I apologize
for claiming your premises were chosen on an emotional basis.

It also may be that you would admit defeat under some circumstances.
I am not (currently) qualified to discuss this with you at your
preferred level, so I have little chance of determining what those
circumstances are.  But I conjecture that they will not come to pass
in the next five years, should you remain on the net that long.

Happy holidays to you.

-- 
Rob Jellinghaus    |  "Next time you see a lie being spread or a bad 
robj@netcom.com    |   decision being made out of sheer ignorance,
robj@xanadu.com    |   pause, and think of hypertext."
uunet!netcom!robj  |       -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_
From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Need help with Nietzsche's _The Will to Power_
Date: 31 Dec 1992 23:56:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, azathoth@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.r.houser) says:

>Here's my question: has anybody 
>ever attempted to cross-reference Schlechta's mixed-around edition 
>with the standard edition, so that a reader could find the same 
>passage in Schlechta's and the "standard" edition?  Is there an 
>index like this in print, or does it exist in anyone's unpublished
>scholarship that they would be willing to share with me?

Yes!  There's a fourth Schlecta volume, which contains an index
of the aphorisms, and a concordance to _The Will to Power_!!!!


-- 
=======================
"Endeavor to persevere"
=======================
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Introduction to Objectivism
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:47:34 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <4RaswB5w165w@momad.li.ny.us> siphon@momad.li.ny.us 
(Stimpson J. Katz) writes:

   >I look forward to an intellectual adventure from which we all can
   >profit.

  With a bit of luck, there will shortly be a newsgroup devoted to
this intellectual adventure, talk.philosophy.objectivism, although we
have yet to learn from the guy who proposed the group whether it
passed. There is a recently created group in the alt hierarchy,
alt.philosophy.objectivism, but it would be a lot better if those who
delight in this particular intellectual adventure had a group of their
own in the talk hierarchy.
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: Re: Wisdom Galore!
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.084202.19519@zooid.guild.org>, GECKO <gecko@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>Stephen Grossman <PMSC123G@UMASS.EDU> writes:
>>        If you know of a philosopher with more wisdom than Ayn Rand please 
>>enlighten me.
>
>  Chuang Tzu comes to mind...
>
>
>   - GECKO
>
>  "Once a man receives this fixed bodily form, he holds on to it,
>   waiting for the end. Sometimes clashing with things, sometimes
>   bending before them, he runs his course like a galloping steed,
>   and nothing can stop him. Is he not pathetic?  Sweating and
>   laboring to the end of his days and never seeing his accomplish-
>   ments, utterly exhausting himself and never knowing where to look
>   for rest--can you help pitying him? I'm not dead yet! he says, but
>   what good is that? His body decays, his mind follows it--can you
>   deny that this is a great sorrow? Man's life has always been a
>   muddle like this. How could I be the only muddled one, and other
>   me not muddled?"
>                          - Chuang Tzu (Watson's translation)
>
>
>
>gecko@zooid.guild.org

	You can read that hatred of life and mind/body split in Plato, 
Augustine, Kant, Schopenauer, etc. in Western philosophy also. 
	This evil is justified (contextualized, limited) by the primacy of 
consciousness (named but not invented by Augustine) in which it is held that 
consciousness causes existence, that reality is created by our wishes, hopes, 
and fears. Of course, consciousness is only the consciousness of 
existence and then, within that, consciousness is possible (tho not 
necessary). The history of philosophy, with the exception of the Presocratics, 
Aristotle, Aquinas, and Rand and a few minor philosophers, is the history of 
the workings out of Socrates' (perhaps a mixture) and Plato's primacy of 
consciousness. Existence is not evil if your subjective, irrational values 
cannot be obtained. It is the value of placing anything above existence or 
reality that is evil. 
	The game is up. Your Holy Wish is not a moral obligation for other 
people. They have a right to their own lives and happiness despite your 
self-imposed misery. I can walk past a begger or the starving in Somalia and be 
happy in my own life, knowing that other' misery is not a moral mortgage on my 
life. 
	Chuang Tzu is a fool. He does not know the causes of things.	
================================================================================
	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
                                                              AYN RAND
================================================================================
Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
================================================================================
From: Stefan.M.Gorsch@dartmouth.edu (Stefan M. Gorsch)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Dickens & Nietzsche ?
Date: 28 Dec 92 03:09:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


I'm trying to determine whether Dickens ever commented on the writings
of Nietzsche or vice versa. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who
has knoweldge of this.

Please email
Thanks

Stefan,
stefan.m.gorsch@dartmouth.edu
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