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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:21:22 GMT

In article <BtMoMp.I3u@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>Just how old *are* you?  All Baldwin was was one of the majority owners of
>the Whalers, back when they were still the New England Whalers in the WHA
>and they were sharing the Garden with the Bruins...

In addition to being head of the New England Whalers (I once attended a
game of theirs against the Toronto Toros), Howard Baldwin was also 
president of the WHA.

-- 
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From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Baldwin in Hartford (Was: Re: Bowman says no)
Summary: Sleazy?  News to me.
Date: 28 Aug 1992 05:56:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug27.143533.27822@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.092122.24225@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>>In article <BtMoMp.I3u@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>>Just how old *are* you?  All Baldwin was was one of the majority owners of
>>>the Whalers, back when they were still the New England Whalers in the WHA
>>>and they were sharing the Garden with the Bruins...
>>
>>In addition to being head of the New England Whalers (I once attended a
>>game of theirs against the Toronto Toros), Howard Baldwin was also 
>>president of the WHA.
>
>But Baldwin was a sleazy character even back then...Bill Hunter and
>Ben Haskin(I know I'm spelling his name wrong) are the two guys who
>made the WHA.

Actually, Gary Davidson and Dennis Murphy are the two who got the WHA off
the ground -- Hunter and Hatskin were two of the more stable owners in WHA
history (which isn't saying much, considering the list of notable franchise
holders in the WHA's seven seasons -- guys like Peter Pocklington in
Edmonton; John Bassett in Ottawa, then Toronto, *then* Birmingham; and of
course, Nelson Skalbania in Indianapolis) behind none other than Baldwin,
who was the only person to own the same franchise through the WHA's short
existence.  He was none too popular after the Whalers moved to Hartford
after their entry into the NHL in 1979, but folks forget that his Whalers
were the WHA's first champions in 1973...so I wouldn't say he was too sleazy
back then.


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From: 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay)
Subject: Re: bruins
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:25:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.031407.22151@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> leone@wpi.WPI.EDU (David M Leone) wrote:
>>I think fans should look to this year as a rebuilding year, and follow
>>Providence closely.
> 
> Well, I won't be following Providence from down here, but a rebuilding year
> means another 84-90 points and 6 months of enjoyable hockey. I can live with
> that. It's probably good enough for a 2nd place playoff spot (as if that was
> important).
> 
> Tom

On second thought, I think we just saw a pessimist in LEONE@WPI.WPI.EDU
which doesnt bode well. My opinion is, the Bruins might just come out
of the gate a little slow, but hey, they'll pick up in no time at all,
especially if their D is solid and the offense gets some juice from
trades.


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From: kjgriffi@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kevin John Griffith)
Subject: Re: History of British (Ice!) Hockey
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 16:17:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep3.131827.3907@cs.hw.ac.uk> steve@cs.hw.ac.uk (Steve Salvini) writes:
>
>Hi - first of all an apology for the length of this message ->
>
>                          "sorry!" :-)
>
>I am busy compiling a short history of (ice) hockey in Britain for use
>in the "uk-hockey" mailing list's FAQ list.   I would be most grateful
>for any help/comments/criticism/additions/etc. on the following first
>draft...
>
>
>"BRITISH ICE HOCKEY'S FINEST HOUR" :-)
>
>1936 - Feb 15th - at Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany, GB draw 0-0 with
>USA (outdoor) after three periods of overtime.  Canada then beat USA
>thus GB become first team to win the 'Triple Crown' - the World
>Championship, the European Championship & the Winter Olympics Gold -
>"British Ice Hockey's Finest Hour" :-)   Britain play under the 'shrewd
>but controversial guidance of BIHA secretary, John F. 'Bunny' Ahearne.
>

Not to be picky, but this British team, in addition to other
previous teams no doubt, consisted primarily of Canadians who
at the time had claim to British citizenship also. I'm not sure,
but I think the players decisions to play for Britain followed
some argument with the Canadian hockey association.

Kevin Griffith
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From: inthalw@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Magnus)
Subject: Re: 3 New rules was 2 New Rules ???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Closed Boxes
Date: 26 Aug 1992 14:21 EST  

In article <1992Aug26.133930.18352@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes...
>farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>>
>>My thoughts, I like the instigating and the 4-on-4 rules but severely
>>doubt that refs will call many instigating penalties as a result.
> 
>Since there was no mention of additional powers being given to linemen
>nor a second referee (or even a deputy referee to replace one lineman),
>the usual controversies of inconsistent enforcement will still be with
>us.

I agree, additional rules will only do so much to "fix" the game of hockey. 
The real problem is total lack of consistency in calling the game as the 
rulebook dictates.

If referees would call every period of every game exactly the same, the 
current rules would be fine (make that adequate).

BTW I'm tired of seeing all this world class diving being done in the NHL 
too.  How do you get rid of it?? Simple... call an unsportsmanlike conduct 
(which is what it really is IMO) minor on the "diver".  Sure, some innocent 
players will be penalized, bnut eventually no one will dive anymore.
> 
>gld
>--
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
>> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
>> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)

Just venting my between seasons frustration.

Magnus
From: spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey)
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:17:59 GMT
Organization: Personal Opinions Inc

In article <schuck.714859932@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>Mark Spiegel writes:
>
>>	The full list of new rules that the NHL Board of Governers voted 
>>	in (according to the San Jose Mercury News) is:
>
>>		1. Game ejection for instigating a fight.
>>			"As we had hoped, and expected, out of (the)
>>			debate came a concern and focus that the fans
>>			belief was very, very strong that truly
>>			spontaneous fighting isn't the problem in 
>>			the game," said Gil Stein (acting league
>>			president). "It's the tactic of sending out
>>			a person to start a fight.  That's what we
>>			really want to eliminate."
>
>
>Hey you forgot the "special" new rule!
>
>                 1a. The players will now have to wear skirts just
>                     like the ballplayers in "A League of Their Own".
>                        
>Gil Stein is determined to turn the NHL into a league for pussies.

	Hey I'd be willing to go for fan participation.  I think
	the benefit of this rule is that it will make stars who
	have "protectors", start doing more of their own fighting.

	Mark
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Speaking of Ulf...
Keywords: knee surgery
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:00:13 GMT

KDKA TV reported last night that Ulf Samuelsson will undergo knee surgery and
will miss at least 4 weeks of training camp.  The report didn't say which knee
required surgery or what type of surgery would be performed.

Lori 
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu
From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Damphousse traded to Montreal
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:06:37 GMT
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON


farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:

>Nonetheless, it was a GREAT trade for Montreal. Damphousse is one of the most
>talented players and will certainly spark the pathetic Habs offense.

Big deal.  Montreal will just turn him into another wonderful checking
forward.  And don't assume having Demers behind the bench will change
anything - Laperierre has been coaching the team for years, and will
continue to do so.

-- 
Murray
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From: jlw3@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Joseph L. Wood, III)
Subject: Re: NHL strikes TV deal with ESPN
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Middletown, NJ
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:17:41 GMT


How does this deal affect blackouts?  Back when ESPN had
NHL games in the past, if one of the involved teams in a ESPN
game was on a local permium channel (SportsChannel or Prism),
it would be blacked out on ESPN.  I guess I'll really have
to change SHO to Prism, or I'll miss the Lemieux/Lindros
matchup.

The only thing good about New Jersey is that I can now get four
channels of hockey.

Joe Wood
jlw@mtuxo.att.com
From: Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: BOSTON NEWS: David Shaw
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:56:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I think I heard that Boston got David Shaw (D) in exchange for futures. Could
someone confirm that? What team did Shaw come from? Is he any good?

Also, how are the contract negotiations with Dmitri K? Did he accept Sinden's
"final offer"?
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:40:44 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:

> My problem with the banishment of instigators is that it will make
> the NHL a safe haven for cheap shot artists.
> 
> When a ref is bad and your star player is getting ground up by cheap
> shot artists you could always call out the 'enforcer' and send him out
> to pound on the CSA. Sure, your enforcer would get 5 minutes, but the
> CSA would tone it down in fear of another face pounding.
> 
> Now you can't. The era of the policeman is over.
> The era of the cheap shot artist now begins.

Not necessarily.  Why not make it the era of the clean, solid check?  If
said CSA is giving your star players a hard time, it's never been good
strategy to send a goon at him and put yourself in a 5-minute penalty kill.
Better idea: send your forecheckers after the guy, and crunch him violently
into the boards at every opportunity.  It's legal, it doesn't result in 
penalties, and it's considerably better punishment than a couple of off-
balance punches thrown while clawing at his jersey.

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 10:56:37 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>
>-In DETROIT, both the Pistons and the Red Wings were in trouble ten years ago.
>The Pistons won two NBA championships in the late 1980s while the Red Wings
>were revived by new owner Mike Ilitch. Today, both teams sell out most of their
>games but the basketball team has a larger arena. Basketball takes this one.
>

You cannot give this one to basketball just because the stadium is bigger. The
Detroit Sports fans regularly lead the attendence in hockey and basketball,
and used to be a strong draw in baseball. Detroit is definately a hockey
town as well as a basketball town.
Both the Red Wings and Pistons have lead their leagues in attendence
within the last five years. I'd call it even up.

As a side note, the Detroit Drive (arena football), Detroit Turbos (Lacrosse),
and Detroit Rockers (Soccer) have all done extremely well drawing fans to
the lesser sports.

					Marty

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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:51:45 GMT

f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:

>dnewell@goethe.helios.nd.edu (devin newell) writes:

>>With the helmets off players will learn to respect the weapon/scoring tool
>>in their hands. A player will willingly learn to keep his stick down
>>partly out of respect for his oposition, but mostly because his own scalp is 
>>now exposed.  

>You're guilty of wishful thinking if you seriously believe in the kind of
>effect you mention here. Do you think players without helmets will be
>treated more gently than the ones wearing helmets? Is there any evidence
>that this has happened in the past?

Well, there were about 5 or 6 players who played without a helmet last
year. Many of them held the same opinion... Opposing players are more
careful around you when you don't where a helmet. (That according
to Brad Marsh.)

Of course, players who don't wear helmets must learn the proper way
to handle situations where they may come in contact with the ice or
boards.
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Die! NASTY-Pens
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:03:09 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Sep1.223744.4068@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>If you question the greatness of the Pens, look at their depth chart
> 
> I question both their greatness and your arrogance. I'll admit Pittsburgh is
> great when they finish on top of the regular season overall standings, until
> then, categorize me as "doubter". Many of the other past "great" teams have
> done that.
> 
> Tom

With your own brand of arrogance (see above), you should fit in well at
Madison Square. Does that make ya feel better about all those chants of 1940????????
Do you think the Penguins are really bothered by the fact that you 
don't think they're "great?" You can win all the regular season games you
want, and you can still be sitting home by the middle of April. AND NOONE WILL
REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE. Except you, I guess, who sits at home each year
recounting how great teams that dont win the CUP are. Me personally, I'd 
rather be blinded by the light hitting off the silver everytime I look for 
the Pens names on it. And if you really think Peguins fans care if you flame 
them to death they really don't. Those of us who have done this long enough
took far better flames when we were losers. We're just funnin' with now ya 
cause we hold ALL THE CARDS. So flame away, and we'll do the same to the lucky
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

bastards that win next year.



So long, Phil, and remember what we do to traitors. ULF!!!!!! 
But we will miss Big Red. And I suspect that her career will
surely climb while yours begins its rapid nosedive.




!eric!  

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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 2 New Rules ???
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:36:09 GMT

In <1992Aug27.075454.14134@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Ryan J. Victor writes:

>>I can't beleive this league. No matter how much I think about it, I
>>can't justify making helmets optional. This seems to be a case of the
>>league putting TV interests ahead of the safety of the players and
>>that, in my opinion, is absolutely inexcusable. The NFL would never
>>make helmets optional ( yes, I know you can tell who's who by their
>>position: I'm just trying to make a point). It's ridiculous to say that
>>the league is going to crack down on high sticking to protect the
>>players and then turn around and tell them that they don't have to wear
>>helmets. What have they been smoking?

Ah, but the NFL and its teams make helmets *cool*.  How?  By integrating them
as a part of the uniform, not just as protective headgear.  In fact, many NFL
teams are identified specifically by their helmets.  If the NHL and its teams
modified their helmets and perhaps painted a logo on them, they might also be
part of a "cooler" uniform.  Then, the league should be happier, the helmets
more popular with TV and the fans, and the players remain protected.

Think of the cool logos that the NHL teams could put on a helmet.  We already
have them on goalie's masks.  Why not a whole team?

Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:44:33 GMT

In article 17371@odin.corp.sgi.com, rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
>Question abou the blackouts, does this mean people in Chicago
>get to see the home games?  I recall Wirtz not showing those
>games to ANYONE within a nuclear bomb range of Chicago.
>

If I did my reading yesterday, I should've known that any local package would
be honored, including blackouts of all Hawks regular season home games regardless 
of whether they're on ESPN or not.

Dollar Bill has struck again...

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From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey) 
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:28:11 GMT

In article <schuck.714950227@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>When a ref is bad and your star player is getting ground up by cheap
>shot artists you could always call out the 'enforcer' and send him out
>to pound on the CSA. Sure, your enforcer would get 5 minutes, but the
>CSA would tone it down in fear of another face pounding.
>
>Now you can't. The era of the policeman is over.
>
>The era of the cheap shot artist now begins.
>
Maybe not. The 'star' is geeting chewed on. He retaliates and suffers a two
minute penalty for fighting (of the spontaneous variety). All to no avail, as
the CSA continues his harrasment. Now the bad boy is sent out to do his job.
Since he's going to be tossed, he only gets the one chance.
>
>It's going to be an ugly season!
>
I think you may be right, but for the wrong reason. The fighting may become
more violent since the enforcer gets only the one chance to 'pound face'. More
violent, and longer too.

Refs are the key. Call the game tight and consistently. Eventually, the players
may get the idea that the cheap shit is no longer tolerated and the game can
become 'kinder and gentler'.

Could be wrong tho',

Gary
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From: CCDB <CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Trade Courtnall Russ
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:42:48 GMT

Dateline ..  Montreal . Russ courtnall traded today at 11 am
to Minny for Brian Bellows. What say you, good trade for montreal

   The BIG "D"





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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Best and worst refs' poll
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:53:09 GMT

Poll:
I am curious who each of you think are the best and worst refs in
the league. I'm sure that many can name their worst ref but I need
the true afficienados who are open-minded enough to have a best ref
opinion as well.

Please send your vote for the best 2 and worst 2 refs in the NHL. Any vote
which contains just a vote for the worst, will not be counted.

Send to:
farenebt@LOGIC.camp.clarkson.edu
BRI FARENELL

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From: cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: John Kordic Information
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:05:46 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University


A while back, a user on the internet posted that he knew John Kordic,
or at least his sister very well.  I am trying to contact that person
in order to get some info.  If anyone knows who it was, or if the 
actual person reads this, please get in touch with me.

Thank you,
Peter Granic
From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: ESPN Followup
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:33:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Bu0EAz.56u.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
>
>You left out "exclusive international television distribution rights
>(excluding Canada)".  Did Sportschannel have this plum as well?
>
>--
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>School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
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>Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA

No, SCA did not have this plum, since the International Service of ESPN
showed NHL Games.  Ironic, isn't it?

Mike
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