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From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Date: 9 Oct 1992 01:50:19 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Keywords: Whee!


In article <1992Oct8.073020.11982@netcom.com> cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:
>I have had my eye on one of those "two prong thingies" for the last few months
>now.  To give a little more detail, this vibrator has a dildo type
>attachment that rotates in little circles slowly, as well as a tiny, faster
>moving part to reach your clit.  What sold me on this one was the 
>adorably cute, Fisher-Price toy quality of it: It's made of colored
>translucent stuff (the one I like is candy-pink); the dildo has a smily
>face on the top of it, and the clit part is a little animal with
>a long tongue that's sitting on the dildo.  There is a battery pack
>with two, count 'em, two sliding controls.  One operates the little animal,
>the other works the smiling dildo. It invariably makes me think of a 
>video game (let's see, what'll she do if I slide this control? :) )

Gee, I have one of these (the rabbit one), and it doesn't do a thing
for me, its movements are too, uh, mechanical, and jerky, like having
sex with a hand-operated eggbeater or something.  Between the flimsy
wires and clunky battery pack it just doesn't seem very well designed.
The only thing I can say in its favor is that unlike the Magic Wand it
works during a blackout.
 
I need to find a worthy cause to donate it to!  :-)  Well actually,
there's a person I've been thinking of giving it to, but I can never
decide whether she'd squeal in delight or just laugh in my face.

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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Why's It the Way It Is?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:33:06 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) discusses how it is that
soc.motss is essentially a white forum.  He says, in part:
 >It's white because we live in a white-dominated, racist
 >society, [ ... ] In higher education, structural racism
 >has tended to keep nonwhites (blacks especially) out.  Those
 >who could get in would be less likely to have the verbal
 >skills and other background (poverty and educational
 >disadvantage would be the main sources here, I think) that
 >would land them in programs providing net access.  

They are also less likely to have the leisure to engage in this sort
of activity, because-- as Donald pointed out in his answer to
Steve-- they are more likely to have to spend extra time at work.

Mara [acutely aware of just how much leisure this hobby consumes]

 
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:13:49 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <thaaang.718879663@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes:

>maffray@imag.fr (Frederic Maffray) writes:

>>Frederic Christian Maffray
>>Certain fairy charms differ.

>All right, that's quite enough. Is there a UNIX anagramming program?
>Is it possible for someone to send me this program? And, like, explain
>how to work it in terms understandable by a sleepy three-year-old?

You're in 'read my mind' mode, I see, as all three of the
postings of yours I've read this morning (I rather like the
idea of waking up with John Darrance) are of that sort.

I have an anagram program, but it is decidely weak and would
not have compare with the one Eamonn/Fred seem to be using.
If Eamonn or Fred will sense me sources, I will put them up
for anon ftp on my machine.

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:22:33 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Oct9.040954.19694@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I took a philosophy class in high school, and it was pretty good. We
>spent the entire first semester working through The Republic, and we
>used Bloom's translation.

evidently the writing class I took didn't do me much good. UGH! Maybe
my German classes just confused me..

ObMotss - the MLA
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From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: "I Hate Gay Men" text
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:31:13 GMT


There are some of us who have lived, and are continuing to live that sort of
lifestyle.  Lots of dancing, lots of men, lots of friends and lots of (safe)
sex! I love my friends immensely; the ones who I've had to watch die, and the 
ones who have survived the watching.  There is no better escape in the world
for me than to be out on a Saturday night at The Pavillion, or The Roxy etc,
surrounded by some of the most beautiful and attractive men in the city of
New York.  To dance with them, to talk with them, to be smiled at from across
the room by someone you once had a romantic encounter with, or simply to just
have a meeting of the minds and share your soul with someone.

Perhaps you should pay more attention and realize that there are people inside
these well groomed, well dressed sculpted bodies.  Maybe when you can start
each of your paragraphs with 'I love' rather than 'I hate', you can find
something to be happy about, and discover that the beauty is far prettier
on the inside.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: BUSH appoints MARY FISHER to AIDS Commission
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:10:27 GMT
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Seen on clarinet:

        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Moving to defuse the controversy about his
embattled AIDS commission, President Bush appointed Mary Fisher
Wednesday to replace basketball superstar Earvin ``Magic'' Johnson.
        Sporting a red AIDS awareness ribbon, Bush met briefly at the White
House with Fisher, who told reporters after the session that she would
work to get the panel's recommendations approved by the president.

``SPORTING A RED AIDS AWARENESS RIBBON''??? I think I understand how those
people in the WHY I HATE GAY MEN manifesto published duiring the NYC Pride 
Parade say that they will never wear a red ribbon again.



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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:18:10 GMT

I have officially decided that Our Lady of Perpetual Masturbation is
*not* an icon. She's just a really groovy chick that can look like
lots of other groovy chicks.

TWEE POPE HAS SPOKEN! SO ***THERE***!!!

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			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 16:33:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct9.054135.27791@adobe.com> <67456@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Oct10.160349.25897@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>>Indeed. It's _Skinner Jack's Bedtime Stories_.
>IMNO, the only good thing about _Skinner Jack_ is 
>Skinner Jack, who appears much too infrequently, and only as a narrator.

You wouldn't say that if you knew the twit personally.

>>I remember this
>>vividly because James Williams, who *is* Altomar Video,
>I thought Rolf and Thor *are* Altomar video.  Is he one of those two?

Jamess is "Thor's" real name. I've never quite figured out why
he bothers with the pseudonym, since he's not at all shy about
using his real name in connection with the company.....

>I guess SuperFurr coming to Max's rescue wouldn't have been in the script...

Unfortunately not.
 
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() ignorance.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:49:14 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct10.023552.29978@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>EVen if you allow for my quibbling that simple genius is
>not quite enough for the title, I'd say that Pushkin was
>precisely such a cultural icon, and indeed still is, even in
>the ruins of the Empire. 

There is, as far as I'm aware, no other modern world
literature, the *entire* corpus of which, right down to this
minute, is so like a vast pyramid standing on its point, and
for the Russian literary language, that point is the pen of
Pushkin.  It's as close as letters have ever come, I think,
to that spark of life between the outstretched fingertips of
God and Adam on the Sistine ceiling.

And yes, genius is not enough: Teller's a genius, but
Einstein's the icon.

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From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:01:37 GMT

jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>[...]
>And I *always* enquire after the dietary
>preferences of a prospective dinner companion.
>
So what happens when the answer is something like "I can't think of 
anything I *don't* like"?

>So there.
>
>--jns

So there, yourself.

--jeff
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:27:55 GMT

frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) blasts Heather Blair:

>Considering the fact that Bloom was alive a lot longer than he's been
>dead, why didn't you post this ante mortem as it were?

Same reason nobody ever outed Malcolm Forbes, post-mortem.  Many
people won't tangle with someone very rich, very respectable, and very
powerful.  (Particularly not people whose jobs depend on the good graces
of a monolithic University administration.)

>Your request did not strike me as being appropriate, needed, or ...
>tasteful.

I see you've never read Bloom's work.

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  Today's survey question:  if [hateful 'phobic queer of the week]
  died tomorrow, would you out him/her?
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Paul Jabara
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:50:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.175457.24643@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct6.234921.296@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> |>   Really? I don't remember you as particularily threatening. Maybe
> |> family was excluded?
> 
> Did you ever come to Patogh (or the Well or whatever that
> odd building was named) for one of the Tikigods performances?

  No, but I heard about it. All I remember was when you were my
TA for Jim Meehan's class. What fun. My first experience with 
gay faculty being taught Lisp (somehow that seems appropriate). 
I don't remember you as particularily fully punk then (this must
have been around 1980). This was around the time when the _Talking Heads_
came on campus wasn't it (when they were completely unknown)? I 
remember a couple of guys that were very hep on them. A guy by the
name of Chuck Steak  (who I used to call Tube :-) and Ken Davlia. 
Chuck was in a production of _Equuis_ there (if you remember the 
posters...). 
  As for "culture" I was far to busy being a slut at the time,
and trying to get through school; sort of homework and homowork :-)
  Btw, what ever happended to Jim?
 
> I was calmed down a bit by then - i.e. I didn't go into
> Gelson's with things stuck through my cheek and splattered
> in dogshit.  It was great.  

  That's not *threatening*, that's *disgusting* :-) Gelson's? is
there a Gelson's down here? I thought it was up in LA. Shirley
you could have wrecked Irvine Ranch in Fascist Island too.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:46:48 GMT


In article <manz.719005125@ee.ualberta.ca>
manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:

>In <1992Oct13.120512.8153@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Hon, you didn't get the full drift of "lazy." I got Digital
>>Webster on *this* machine ...

>Elitist NeXT queen!  Ah, but I envy.

I knew that, really I did.  That was cruel, mean, nasty and
bad.  And icky.  I apologize <slap!>.

>The NeXT is the *only computer I've been able to relate to
>on anything aproaching a sexual level.

Gently, Wotan, because having just dismantled and
reassembled a keyboard that got, ah, some liquid on it (did
you see FJ's pix?) I know now delicate they are.  Seriously,
kitty did a little barforama on my keyboard one night, and
that entailed some anxious moments.  I keep it (the
keyboard, silly) covered now.

>I don't *have to be running emacs to do it.  I wrote an
>emacs command to insert the output of shell commands.  I did
>it primarily for inserting quotations (I wrote my own
>fortune too) like this:

><> The conversation is so *far* above your head that you don't see it.
><> -- Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu)

What a nice lad, and such consummate taste.

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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Keywords: pesky wrinkles
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:10:00 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


r l reid (ro@panix.com) wrote:
 
> It means I can ONLY wear the cheapest of suits - 100% Polyester.
> I like a touch of poly in the white shirts, but a whole suit made of
> it?  Why not silk?

Wrinkles.  Remember?

Ah, polyester.  One *snap*
and you're ready to go.

--jns
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Who Gets Stomped (was WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss)
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:06:04 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <r3mpk7m@lynx.unm.edu> anthropo@carina.unm.edu
(Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:
>I do have something else to say.  Last year,
>last September, my lover at the time was jumped and beaten [...]

	That was very strong.  And very real.

	Thank you.

	I haven't responded specifically to Donald's original
	article because frankly, I'm at a loss for words
	(it happens on occasion).

	-R


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:39:43 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.163051.774@PacBell.COM>
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:

>>Other than recognizing the name, I don't know anything about
>>Jayne Mansfield, but I will suggest that Madonna is an
>>iconoclast rather than an icon.

I think Arne has the relevant facts quite under control,
apart from underestimating, perhaps, the degree to which
our education in general culture has withered.

>Madonna: icono-wannabe.

I would accept, with some reservations (already detailed in
a posting of Arne's), the idea of Madonna as icon.  With
respect to "wannabe," I think she's done quite well in
certain ways, appropriating symbols of popular and real
culture from the past, working those into her presentation,
and milking a guillible public for all she can get from it.
And there's no question in my mind that overall, she is
quite socially conscious and aware (despite a sometimes
roughshod treatment of her employees).  To take off from
David's "iconoclast" remark (it's too much of a stretch, for
me at least, to see her as a real iconoclast, because she
does not consciously destroy the notion of icon), I see her
as an amazingly successful iconoblast.

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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: all-purpose melpomenic posting
Summary: ours horrible
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:25:44 GMT

[this is an all-purpose response to various recent ravings in
soc.motss.  melpomene is its muse.  bear cubs and those who love
them should NOT read this; hit `n' now, bbc.]



[another excerpt from the drimmer book, _captured by the indians_.
the author of this piece was 20 years old (in 1790) when he was
captured off a boat floating down the ohio river.  they are now moving
cross country through kentucky...]

We traveled through a trackless wilderness.  It abounded in game, and
the Indians depended on this entirely for food during the journey.
Their plan was to carry the dried meat home for the summer use of
their families.
     On the first or second day the Indians observed a tree, the bark of
which was marked by the claws of a bear.  They immediately went to work
with axes they had found in the captured boats and they soon felled the
tree.  Two very small cubs were found in its hollow trunk.  Their dam,
attracted by the noise, came up when the tree fell and was shot.
     We regaled ourselves upon the flesh of the cubs.  To me it was
excellent eating, although the manner of dressing would hardly suit a
delicate taste.  The entrails were taken out and, after the hair was
thoroughly singed from the carcasses, they were roasted whole.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:33:36 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1bcqhcINN8up@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:
> 
> In article <mattm-121092101957@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
> > ... The 'cowboy' is an icon, but specific cowboys?  Only Reagan... 
> 
> Reagan a *cowboy*?  Reagan has only ever hoisted his fat
> ass into a saddle when a camera's been rolling.  You've
> got to be joking. 

As a matter of fact, yes.  

Someone (could it even have been Jez? (avoiding spelling issues entirely)
Hmm, a parenthetical within a parenthetical (sp?)  Could it be LISP?)
pointed out that many, many people equate Beethoven with classical 
music.  This is valid.  Perhaps the name 'Beethoven' is of sufficient
symbolic strength to mean 'classical music,' and it is not necessary
that an image of Beethoven be recognized as such.  So I am willing to
call Beethoven a current-day icon (I must admit that, if asked to name
a classical composer, Ludwig B. is the first that would come to mind,
in the right here and now).  Also, taken into account cultures other
than America (which I did with Queen Victoria and Wagner) - yes, Pushkin
may well be an icon in Mother Russia.  Though, for me, the symbol of
Russian literature is Chekov (and my *fav* is Turgenev, the only one
who didn't seem so intent on being, like, a bummer, ya know?)

Melmothra, ACC
From: ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:00:22 GMT

In article <1bh6acINN2sk@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM  
(Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:
> There are certainly other possibilities on TV.  As an odd matter of fact,
> there is someone I would choose from virtually all of the 90210 wannabe shows 
> new this season.

Tom Breznahan's character on The_Round_Table! (Couldn't care less about
the show itself. :-)

Dylan from Crossroads! (A decent show on top of having a cute.guy.)

*Any* of the women on Melrose_Place. Oh, Jake too. ;-)

Dare I say? Young Indiana Jones, the elder (Sean Patrick Flannery) is
not too bad looking.

The guy who met Brenda in Paris on 90210, and was in a bluejean commercial
playing a model who wanted water. A real jerk. But cute. :-)

And there's something I can't put a finger on about Martin Lawrence...he's
the one on Fox with a show named after him. (BTW, no bitchy jokes about
"can't put a finger on"!)

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: "I Hate Gay Men" text
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:26:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.205518.14265@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> Oh, so it must be original. :-)  Ron, this reads verbatim like a posting
> in the last year here on motss.  Am I suffering from advanced deja-vu?
  
  Isn't that supposed to read "Deja-vu all over again"?

  As I saw in somebodies .sig:
    "Usenet: a group of people pounding a stain in the pavement where once
     lay a dead horse"
  She's dead Jim.
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