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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Melissa needs our help!
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: tor
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:13:38 GMT

Hey folks!  I have been talking with Melissa Schilling who just
moved out to Seattle a few months ago.  She is having a problem
with her Mastiff that I am not sure how to deal with.  She also
cannot get things posted to the net yet but she can read them
so I told her I would post a condensation of her questions.  For
the sake of breviety I am summarizing with quotes where approriate.
If I bungle up stuff I know she will tell me and I can correct
later but it would help her out trememdously if you all would
say "HEY" Melissa and give her some help.  So here goes:

"My three year old mastiff learned housetraining pretty well when
he was a puppy, but I'm having some problems now.  I moved to Seattle
about four months ago, and ever since I moved here I haven't been able to
trust him to wait to go outside.  He used to be able to hold it for a long
time so I can only hope it's not an inability to wait.
 He poops in the house at least a couple of times a week
I never catch him in the act, so I usually don't even try to punish him.
On the occasions when I attemptedto drag him to the site,
I've had to drag his 150 lb body to the mess and yell at him.
.......
I wondered if he was expressing a dislike for our move, and I called a vet
who recommended confining him like when he was a puppy.  Well he
doesn't fit into a crate anymore, so I put him in the bathroom while I
went to the store.  When I came back, he had DESTROYED the bathroom
-I had to replace the door and a good portion of the sheetrock.
Needless to say my landlord was not amused.  

[Important I think]

Though he's a very timid and shy dog by nature, it seemed as if
maybe I had lost my status as alpha dog, so I tried rolling him on his
back and getting over him.  The thing is,  he's so big that
I can sit on him and he'll still thump that tail on the floor like 
it's a game.  Whatdo I do?.........Any suggestions?"

Melissa has also asked me:

"I am very afraid to confine him since the last disaster...he's incredibly
strong.  It's like he throws a temper tantrum!"

There is some info about him loving large rocks which is funny but
not pertinent to the problem (I don't think).

" He can chew up 2 X 4's with no problem and he dug right
threw the sheetrock with his paws, so I don't think I can
confine him anywhere in the house.   Do you think a crate
(if they make them big enough) would hold him?  I feel like I am the
mother of an adolescent Godzilla....*sigh*"

She needs some help.  I suggested a few things but I have never dealt
with a dog of this magnitude.  How about it folks?  BTW, Melissa,
I have seen some wire crates that are considerably bigger than the
plastic one I have and perhaps one would work for you.  You may
want to go to a local pet supply house.  Good luck! :-)

Mike (for Melissa in Seattle)

BTW, Melissa's email address is missi@u.washington.edu if you
want to discuss this with her privately.

-- 
| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: PUPPY LOVER WANTED FOR 3 MONTHS
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:03:19 -0600
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1993Jan25.034040.12006@midway.uchicago.edu>,
betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) wrote:
> 
> I'm in a horrible situation.  I need to find a temporary (3 month) home for
> my six month old black lab mix puppy.  I have to go to Sweden for three months
> for a job, and unfortunately they have a four month quarantine.  I thought
> my boyfriend was going to keep her, but he has pulled out at the last minute.

Ah!  A Hyde Parker! I used to live near 53rd and Harper.

I live about 6 hours from you.  If you can get your pup to me, I can
offer it a wonderful and peaceful place to say.  I live alone on 
thousands of acres in Minnesota.  My dog is a gentle, well-behaved
six year old rescued mutt.  Let me know if I can help.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett)
Subject: Re: Bullmastiffs
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:05:38 GMT

From article <1993Jan24.025541.13143@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, by demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu :
> Anyone out there have a bullmastiff or a mastiff?  They are my favorite
> dogs in the world.  When I used to walk with Peggy (bullmastiff) people
> would walk a wide circle around us.  We also heard people say how ugly she
> was, but I think they are gorgeous dogs with incredibly expressive faces.
> And in spite of what a lot of people expect, I've found them to be some of
> the sweetest, gentlest beasties around.  Too bad they don't live longer.
> 
> Renee

	I have been interested in both breeds for quite some time, but 
have never gotten past the "looking" stage.  In checking puppy prices, I've
found them to be more expensive than the more common breeds.  I also wonder
about how to train and house them.

	By the way, how long *do* they live?

-- 
Dave Willett          AT&T Federal Systems Advanced Technologies
attmail!dwillett      (AT&T FSAT)
If you think it's so !#$%^& easy, You try it!
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:54:24 GMT

In <16B648704.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

>There is another problem with Jon's argument which I believe no one
>has mentioned thus far.  He is saying the supply exceeds the demand
>for ALL types of dogs.  This is simply untrue.  For quality, well-bred
>dogs the demand exceeds the supply in many cases.  If what I say were
>not true, then please explain to me why almost every breeder in my
>area of quality, field working Labs has a waiting list of buyers?  This
>ONLY happens when demand is exceeding the supply.  Where supply is
>exceeding demand is in mutts, and what I refer to as "breed-trash"
>(ie. a pure bred dog that has nothing more than it's parents name in
>it's pedigree).  But breed-trash is NOT a quality dog, nor is it
>capable of producing quality puppies.

Yes, this is an excellent point that I forgot to mention.  After so
many years of hearing (and witnessing) how difficult it was to get rid
of puppies in a litter, I was amazed when I got to know reputable
breeders and realized they had gazillions of people who REALLY wanted
their puppies.  They had people who were at the top of their list that
had waited through one or two previous litters when they were lower
down and didn't get a puppy!  Even for pet quality rather than
show/ring quality dogs!

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all fourteen parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server if you don't have ftp, email me for details.
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:45:22 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
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Betsy Weatherhead (betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu) wrote:

: Now if only my cute little spayed mutt could get a CD!  I know, I know, there
: are competitions for mixed breads, just not through AKC.  But they're few
: and far between.  And I imagine there's nothing like performing in a really
: big show like the ones they have here in Chicago at McCormick Place.  Really,
: what would be the harm in letting neutered mixed-breeds compete?  It could
: mean a lot more registration fees for AKC and entry fees for obedience trials.


There is the American Mixed Breed Obedience Registry (AMBOR).  Some AMBO
chapters hold shows, but the more common method of getting the scores is
through fun matches or through Australian Shepherd club sanctioned events.
AMBOR also recognized other titles for mixed breeds including tracking,
herding, flyball, agility and just about anything else that you can do.

No, you can't compete in the AKC shows, but AMBOR dogs are eliglible for
some of the national competitions.  One of the dog magazines has an article on
this in the current issue.  The article is about Maxwell's Second Chance who
finished tenth in the competition this year.  

AMBOR also will provide the same for breeds that are not recognized by any
of the national registries in the US.

Karen (who hopes to compete with Random sometime this year)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U)
Subject: Re: Vegie eating pup
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:36:51 GMT

Linda Moreland (moreland@gizmo.jsc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: In article <1jk7vcINNdf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
: >
: >I wouldn't worry about this in the least.  My Pembroke Welsh corgi has been
: >eating vegies since he was a pup.  He's 5 now.  The only vegie he won't
: >eat is mushrooms.  I had always been told that dogs will not eat citrus
: >fruits of any kind.  Well Digory proved that wrong this week.  He saw
: >me eating a section of orange.  He backed off while I was taking the
: >rind off but as soon as  he saw the section go in my mouth that did it.
: >I gave him a piece and he was back begging for more.  It didn't hurt him
: >in the least.
: >-- 
: >
: 
: Our new GP puppy likes oranges too.  I have not found anything that
: she just doesn't go for. :-)
: 

We used to have a dog who, amongst other things, liked to eat blueberries,
and carrots.  At our cottage, there is a blueberry patch just down the
lane, and when we would go picking, 'Joe' would go along with us and due
to the underbite he had, he was able to pick the berries right off the
bush.  We always knew when they were ripe when he'd come back to the
cottage with purple-stained teeth sticking out!
As for the carrots, he was able to tell the difference between my mother
peeling potatoes and carrots, and would only come (from the other room)
for the carrots.  
'Joe' didn't object to green salad either.  Our neighbours often took care
of him while we were away, and they "wouldn't let Joe have his dessert
(lemon-meringue pie) unless he ate his greenies!"
Can you say "Spoilt"??
-- 
Scott B. Weaver		Internet: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca
"Dream Weaver"		UUCP: ...!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!mach1!sweaver3
Patience comes to 	Snail: 2C-264 Regina Street North
those who wait...	       Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 3B7
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Do you french your dog?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:19:59 GMT

Just curious, does everyone else french their dog(s)?  If not,
how do you avoid it?  When we get our morning wake-up maul, it's
hard to avoid the tongue.

--kyler
From: vchung@nic.cerf.net (V Chung)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Static in Fur...Ouch!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:17:19 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

Viola  &  Blue(2 yr Chow)
From: missi@carson.u.washington.edu (Melissa Schilling)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: jumping
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:58:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I can sympathize with the border collie owner who's dog jumps up on the
top of the couch--my keeshond used to get so excited running around the
house that he would literally bounce off the chests of people sitting on
the couch--much to our surprise and dismay! He quickly found out that this
was not proper doggie etiquette however!  The other day I went to let him
out and my fiance had the hood up on the car to do some work.  My
keeshond, in his enthusiasm to be included in what he figured was a ride
in the car, jumped into the engine compartment and sat right down on the
air filter!  I would have taken a picture, but I was too afraid of him
tramping on the battery so I pulled him out.  :)
From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Flame?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:06:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan18.220701.602@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> you write:
|> From article <1993Jan18.140833.22065@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, by twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace):
|> > Do you really think that saying that cutting parts of dogs' ears
|> > and tails would is an outdated, cruel practice would start a
|> > flame war?
|> 
|> I don't know Todd, but I think you've come up with the perfect way to find out.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Dave Willett          AT&T Federal Systems Advanced Technologies
|> attmail!dwillett      (AT&T FSAT)
|> If you think it's so !#$%^& easy, You try it!


It's happened before, i'm sure given the right statements posted to
this group, it could happen again.  

Top Ten Flame Bait Subjects:

1.  Breeding
2.  Mutts vs. Purebreeds
3.  "Animal Rights"
4.  Electronic Training Collars
5.  Dogs on and off lead
6.  Tail Docking 
7.  Ear Cropping
8.  Would you believe:  Kennels 
9.  Breed Bans
10. Mandatory Spay, Neuter bills
-- 
___________	
	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Dog moves to Colorado, has problems, HELP!
Keywords: bleeding paw pads, diarrhea
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:32:56 GMT


We moved from Florida to Idaho during the summer, and our Lab
had problems with dry skin.  The pad problem sounds like its
caused by the climate change -- your dog isn't used to walking
on snow and ice, and Boulder is very dry.  My dogs got sick
when they stayed in the kennel, and our vet said it was 
probably stress.  I would definitely take your dog to a vet
to check out both problems just in case, but its probably
just the change.  My in-laws live in Boulder, and if you are
interested I can ask for the name of their vet.

We changed our dog food once and our dog (then an only dog) did
get sick -- the food probably isn't bad, its just different
from what your dog is used to.  


Jamie

*********************************************************************
     canines:  Kenzie -- 1 yr old black Lab X
               Meggin -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
               Harry  -- 4 month old Border Collie X

     felines:  Kieri  -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
               Zak    -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
               Duke   -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese
*********************************************************************
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and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:13:08 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1993Jan25.074302.1259@lth.se> dag@bellman.control.lth.se writes:

> For those of us who take care of our dogs and don't allow them to run
> out of control, castration is not necessary.

Well, now, wait a minute.  Right now, at this very moment (or MONTH), my
neighbor in one direction has a bitch in heat and the neighbor in the other
direction has an un-neutered male.  Even though these two neighbors keep their
dogs inside (except for necesssary walks) -- guess what?  They SMELL each
other, and they are very frustrated not to be able to "be with" one another. 
Every time either neighbor walks or exercises his/her dog, BOTH dogs set up a
din of whining, barking, even howling that would wake the dead.  What is really
humorous (but pathetic) is that both neighbors are mad at each other right now
because each one thinks THE OTHER ONE should have had his/her dog spayed or
neutered.  I sit here gritting my teeth (I just had my bitch spayed this week)
& wondering why they BOTH haven't had their dogs fixed.  Neither one is a
breeder.  :-/

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:38:04 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-21526]: diana

Jon Krueger writes:

>Damon Feldman writes:

>> If you are a responsible breeder, you are obligated to breed good dogs
>> to balance out the bad ones being bred by most everyone else.
>
>Makes about as much sense as your previous claim.  Balance?  What's
>being balanced? Against what?  One balance that will shift with more
>"good dogs" on the planet; how many are abandoned and euthanized.

The idea that all of dogdom should be handed over to backyard
breeders, puppy mills, and animal rights activists is not one that is
good for dogs or owners because of the declines in quality and
predicability of random and poorly bred dogs that would result.

Most people don't know what a championship or working title mean; they
don't know about genetic diseases; they don't know about CHD, and they
don't know the traits of a particular breed.  They see "Breed X, AKC
papers, champ. bloodline" in the paper and think that because one
grandparent won an AKC beauty contest or two their dog will fit in
well with their lives.

If you are a good breeder and you breed dogs that have good working
ancestors, stable temperments and no health problems, you can place a
dog in a home that may otherwise have got a problem dog, and dispel
that much ignorance from the world.  And, to make the animal rights
types happy, you can enforce spay/neuter contracts if you like; you
can place/rescue the dog if it doesn't work out; and you can help the
owners learn how to live with the dog, to both their benefits.  Or, *if*
you breed purebreds, you can recommend that your breed is not suitable
for a particular home and they'd be happier with a such-and-such.

Not to mention making the breed as a whole more functional and
beautiful. 

Damon
-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Hitting
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:33:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.032330.4783@cs.mun.ca> rumisk@odie.cs.mun.ca (Jonathan Fernandes) writes:
>crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>>= were never hit or had their nose rubbed in anything.  Using the word "no"
>>= firmly (BUT NOT SCREAMING) has ALWAYS worked in the past even for
>>= Trouble-maker type dogs.  
>
>Why do you never scream? Will this cause a negative effect in the dog? 
>

With our dogs screaming doesn't work as well as growling or a firm "no" --
the dogs don't seem to view screaming as a serious reprimand.
Growling works the best so far -- its amazing!  I wish we had
tried it earlier!  Saying "no" doesn't work quite as well, especially
when one of the dogs is trying to sample our dinner.


Jamie

*********************************************************************
     canines:  Kenzie -- 1 yr old black Lab X
               Meggin -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
               Harry  -- 4 month old Border Collie X

     felines:  Kieri  -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
               Zak    -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
               Duke   -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese
*********************************************************************
========== long legal disclaimer follows, press n to skip ===========

Neither the United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering
Laboratory or any of their employees, makes any warranty, whatsoever,
implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility regarding any
information, disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe
privately owned rights.  No specific reference constitutes or implies
endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the United States
Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory.  The views and
opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of the
United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory,
and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: Dog Wetting Self
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:25:04 GMT

From article <KMURPHY.93Jan20163714@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu>, by kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy):
> The group should be reminded that Dexatrim is not without its side
> effects eiter.  It does not just tighten the spincter (sp?)  muscle to
> the bladder to prevent urine leaking.  It constricts other muscles as
> well.  Some people have had serious side effects due to this, so I'm
> sure dogs have as well.
> 
> Kim Murphy

I called my vet last night to ask about DES,since one of my dogs is
on it.  She said that at a dose of one to three times a week, there
has been no evidence of its causing bone marrow problems or anemia.
She did say that it definitely DOES cause such problems at high
doses.  She thought it far safer than Dexatrim.

For what it's worth.
-- 
   Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: traine@peaks.fsl.noaa.gov (Tracy Smith)
Subject: Re: Australian Cattle Dogs
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA - Boulder CO, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:57:57 GMT

Jim, you sound like my kind of person!  I have male Elkhound, Ernest, and a
female Elkhound/Red Heeler (Australian Cattle Dog) mix, Mink.  Good luck in your
search for an Australian Cattle Dog, I think they are one of the smartest breeds
out there!  (which is a mixed blessing, since Mink is always thinking of ways to
get Ernest into trouble).

               Tracy Lorraine Smith   Mom to Mink, Ernie, and Sam (a horse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Keywords: Neuter
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Corporation, a subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:44:15 GMT

Dag Bruck writes:
> For those of us who take care of our dogs and don't allow
> them to run out of control, castration is not necessary.

If my memory serves, you've made this claim before.
You've been invited to show the data measuring the
effectiveness of this method.  Where is it?

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com