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From:         Eric Dennis Wincentsen <267@ef.gc.maricopa.edu>
Subject:      RE: Snakefinger

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(This is in response to the question about what is on Snakefinger's
"Live in Chicago" tape. I was unable to reach your mailbox address.)
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No. All I know is that it's a cassette ony release. I would think that it
would have some of the stuff from "Night of Desirable Objects" (probably a
live preview of that material) and "The Spot" and some selections from
other albums.

By the way, if you can get ahold of any of the Ralph Record Sampler EP's,
they usually have a Snakefinger song on them. The one I have (#14, or
something like that) has him doing gospel music.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:46:33 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: someone shit in my cornflakes this morning

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:29:44 MST cinnamon girl said:
>alright,
>
>who's the dickhead with the full mailbox?!  *growl*

I've already sent mail to Mike t.l.g. and to (hopefully) system admin types
at the offending node, but in the meantime we should stop posting until the
either the folks at CBOS.UC.EDU get their system to work in an unhostile way,
or Mike prevents the offending person from getting mail. I don't see anyone
subscribed from that address, so I'm not sure why the heck this is going on
in the first place. I just hope we don't get a loop going with rejected mail
being rejected, ad nauseum. We'll probably be in "List held" status Real Soon
though. *Growl* too... I hate this kinda BS from stupid mail software.

Paul
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:15:31 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Alternative..?

I think the title alternative is the same as "cult-following" that was
used b4 alternative became the "in word"....but who is John Galt...L.W.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:16:05 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trying to keep up

Tim writes:

> if the processing is all done digitally, I suppose the loudest
> bit can be found, and all the data scaled to fit on CDs, if the
> digital processing uses more bits than the CD, or if the recording
> is done at a relatively low level (although that would imply less
> real dynamic range.)

Yeah, that should be really easy. The only question that I have about
Tim's point is how are you going to scale the data. Will the ordinary
multiplication do? I am pretty sure that our perception of the spectrum
depends upon the overall volume of the sound, and thus the volume
controls in hi-fi systems usually compensate certain frequencies when
the volume is changed (I think).

          Ilia.
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In a previous article, skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Sonia Kovitz) says:

>You know one of the strangest things about _Transmutation_ (don't laugh or
>puke) - you can DANCE to it.  Truly, I could not just SIT and listen to it.
It
>made you get up and DO it.  Now how much jazz can you say that about?
>(I hope I haven't made a horrible Volks Paw)

  If you would hang the label of "jazz" on Praxis, I'm afraid you have.
Using the unambigious, clinical, politically-correct safe-sex definition
of "fusion" as popularized by a Mr. Beer so long ago, you could probably
get away with labelling them as a psychedelic funk-metal fusion, even
though there seems to be a lot of improvising going on. I think it was
decided that improvising does not jazz make, so in the case of Praxis,
we'll call improvisation a moot point. I think there are better ways to
describe Praxis, anyway. It's damn good tuneage though, ain't it Sonia?

  Re: "What is 'alternative'": Heh... one choice is *NO* choice.  ;)
We can turn this catagorization into a safe-sex definition, too (as has
been shown). What I find hilarious are the arguments on the Usenet
newsgroup 'alt.music.progressive' that the Cure, et al, should be
discussed in that newsgroup (which is actually devoted to the
discussion of bands such as Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, the
whole Canterbury scene, etc. -- in other words, "progressive rock").
Do they have a right to be mad when others laugh at them for trying to
adopt an existing label to describe something completely different?
Don't ask me... I shot the piano player.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:47:09 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: TV Bands

>Watching Andy Griffith (alltime favorite) and the Darlings were on there
>playing and singing. I started thinking (that's twice in 1 week) i believe
>the Darling's were probally the best TV band, are there any others you
>can think of...........L.W.

Lenny, you missed my favorite TV group. While not a band, the Silver
Platters were among the greatest musical groups of all time. What a shame
Peter's voice had to change and ruin the whole groups careers. No wonder
Cindy became a porn star! ;-)

Marsha
Marsha J. Ferziger
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And I'd like to remind Scott that it's pointless to blame "capitalism" for
killing the good bookstore; people, fortunately or unfortunately, buy what
they want. If they want to be ignorant and buy junk, that's what they'll do.
No law can change that, and there SHOULDN'T be one attempting to try.

David

"Awful serious this morning, huh?"
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:41:51 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Ouch! (Beer)

Recently, Jeff Beer said:

>>Lamer than disco.

Hey, pal! I resemble that remark! ;-)

Heather
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:50:45 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Who Done it..?

Crossing the highway, late last night
shoulda looked left, shoulda looked right
didn't see the station-wagon car
skunk got squashed, and there you are
....etc

Who did it and what was it called, I saw a CD by this fellow yesterday and
that made me recall this song. BTW Richard Thompson plays on the CD...L.W.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:07:59 EST
From:         a memory engraved upon your soul <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      suzanne vega @ the chance

suzanne vega began the tour supporting her recently released _99.9 Fo_
album last night at the chance in lovely poughkeepsie, ny. after a fracas
with a bouncer at the entrance (which resulted in the ejection of a
fellow concert goer before he even managed to get into the theatre), we
all, sans john, settled down in a front row table just to the left of
center stage.

it was a fairly decent show. being the first gig of the tour, she was
understandably rusty - this show was no technical masterpiece - but the
errors were very minor and i doubt that most people noticed them. she's
also come a long way from the reserved, shy stage personality that she
used to harbor - gone is the waif of the first album and in its place
has appeared a performer, comfortable on stage and capable of working
the audience. song selection was primarily from the new album, with the
a few must-plays like "marlene on the wall," "the queen and the soldier"
and "neighborhood girls." "tom's diner" was a well-received encore - i
suspect that that song will become her "werewolves of london," much to
my regret. interestingly enough, i find that i wasn't too excited about
hearing these oldest songs of hers and was disppaointed that she didn't
play more from the past two albums ("men in a war" and "institution green"
were the only appearances from _days of open hand_ - she could have
picked better ones to play i think - "men in a war" is such a tedious
song). i was also disappointed with the length as well - about 1 1/2
hours including the encore and one extra song. she played well over 2
hours the last time i saw her and played a much more satisfying setlist
as well. still, i enjoyed what was there: the songs weren't perfect,
but they came across well and the sound was excellent. i also liked the
fact that the live renditions are almost never duplications of the
studio recordings.

overall: good, but not completely satisfying. the casual vega listener
will enjoy this, but the vega fan will be left wanting.

woj
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From:         Mike McGuire <MIKEM@OAK.HIS.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Richard Thompson

Can anyone recommend for me a cd by Richard and Linda Thompson?  I have
some of his solo work but I would like to check some of his ohter stuff
but I don't know anything about the music he did with his ex.  Thanks
Mike
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:49:30 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Dolby, the final chapter
              Jan 25, 93 03:31:08 pm

> I hope this issue doesn't get too dominant, but I agree with Bob. Virtually
> all prerecorded tapes these days are made with Dolby B, so I think that folks
> should be able to handle that. I'd expect a much higher percentage to want the
> Dolby B than to not want it.

Geeeeeez, all ya gang up on me whydontcha? :-)

> How about a compromise: as a distributor/dubber, I can make tapes with either

Paul, actually, technically you are a dubber/distributor. You must dub first
then distribute. It makes things easier that way. :-)

> Dolby B or C or no noise reduction at all for people, and those copies are
> what matters the most anyway. I think, up until that stage at least, we should
> try to use the best quality that we can, and if someone wants a copy but
> doesn't have Dolby capability, I can roll their copy off without it, or I can
> use Dolby C if they want. This allows the maximum flexibility with the highest
> potential quality still available.

OK, here's the deal: People send me stuphph with NO dolby. I record the
master tapes using Dolby B. The dubber/distributors do whatever is requested
of them.

Whew! Case closed. Send all complaints to /dev/null :-) (-:

Seeya,
Gary, the taping dude
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yeah, i missed the inaugural ball thing the night it actually happened
(stranded in spain, you know), but i did watch the automatic baby thing
saturday night when they rebroadcast it. i liked it - and managed to
tape the thing as well for posterity.

someone else summed it up pretty well on another list:

"hey, you got some larry mullen in my mike mills!"

"hey, you got some michael stipe in my adam clayton!"

:)

woj
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:12:45 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Music diversity

>Tim:
>
>>   Uh oh.  Looks like Ilia wants a job as one of the bouncers....
>
>Nah, just trying to show Marco that I won't deprive him from his
>'friendliest' Allmusic award. Bhah. Actually, the real reason is
>I just had a four-hours chemistry lab - mixing some supid
>liquids in order to create a new one - really depressing stuff. As
>some members of the list would say, it's all chemistry. :)


Hey Ilia! Don't you knock my major! It could be worse...as my independent
research, I spent two years pouring clear liquids into other clear liquids,
stirring for an hour, then separating out my products....clear
liquids....AAAAAAARGH!

OMC....I got into the a cappella group here! "Scales of Justice" - groan!

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:00:55 EST
From:         Terrence Michael Drozdowski <6153@ef.gc.maricopa.edu>
Subject:      ....

> everyone knows what people mean by it, so why argue whether
>or not it really means something?

>woj


Exactly, why argue over it, I mean, WE all know what alternative is, and
what bands are, so why?  (although, could anyone tell me why the Seattle
bands are considered alternative?  I consider them metal.....)

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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:05:02 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Difficult Listening
              15 Jan 1993 15:26:05 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.E DU>

On Fri, 15 Jan 1993 15:26:05 EST Scott Hammer said:
>Agreed.  I still think that one of the best collections of the so-called "New
>Acoustic Music" is one of the first: the initial David Grisman Quintet Album,
>with Grisman, Anger, Tony Rice, et. al.  Anger really cooks on that record.
>Its funny now to look at the picture of the group -- they were all so *young*.
>Of course, that is more than 15 years ago now.
>
>-Scott "Old Fart" Hammer
> College of William and Mary

And *my* views on Grisman & the boys should be well known by now (-:
IMHO, Grisman survived just about everything until Anger left; that literally
split the sound in half.  =Dawg '90= is pretty good stuff, though--and
=DGQ '80= may just beat out the original DGQ.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:59:06 EST
From:         canderso@cln.etc.bc.ca
Subject:      blame it on me

I'm the one who had the full mailbox.  I haven't gone through my mail since
friday and when I checked it this morning I ran out of memory on my disk in
the middle of transferring mail.  My disk screwed up and I couldn't get
help until this afternoon.
I'M REALLY SORRY I didn't know that it would screw everyone else up.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:06:14 MST
From:         cinnamon girl <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: The Darlings = The Dillards

chuck "no-tit-is-too-small-to-lick" sed:

>   That's all -- I just thought I'd send an irritating two-line post
>with no quoting from the original text or anything.  :*)  We now return
>you to your regularly scheduled programming, which is already in progress.

*flash*

:-) 8  >-----|

with the utmost disrespect,
libby doe ala trench coat
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In article <9301271301.AA04197@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> writes:
> But I CAN'T call it fusion because I've had my nose in the air over fusion for
>ten years and it's too late to pull it down now.  People just say the word
>"fusion" and I turn bilious.  I of course missed Mr. Beer's unambiguous,
>politically-correct etc. def. of fusion long ago; would a resurrection make
>OTHER people bilious?

I missed it too.  no doubt the man-with-no-underwear has archives on it.

:)

Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:21:59 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Mainly, this is for Foxy Bob
              22, 93 08:51:51 am

> Gary, if you're making liner notes, the Stan Kenton song is "Chiapas",
> not "Chipas".  I've got an idea -- how about letting me substitute
> "Malaga" since you've got to change the liner notes anyway.  The song
> is (or can be made) about the same length (there's a lot of applause
> at the end).

OK, this is allright. Don't worry about the linear notes for now. I'm
not exactly sure which person is doing them, but they won't be done
until I've completely finished the tape so nothing is missed.

> I had grossly misunderstood the instructions -- I thought the five
> songs were in order of performance, not rank order (I don't know where
> I got the idea that you could get five songs from everyone onto a
> sensible number of tapes).

I guess 'in order of preference' *could* be misread as 'in order of performance'
:-)

> Also, I have the CD with "Malaga" on it in my possession, and can send
> it to you, while you'll get a second generation tape of "Chiapas".
> "Malaga" is a much better piece, and a much better performance, in
> front of a more enthusiastic crowd.

Cool beans.

> >Before I get started here, an additional note should be added to the
> >last posting: DO NOT record your songs using any form of Dolby or DBX
> >noise reductions.
>
> Really lousy idea IMHO!!!!  Read the above about tape hiss.

Well, I have had problems in the past with Dolby. In the first place, I don't
have all types of Dolby on my tape deck. (no HX Pro) . Second, as someone
keeps reminding me, the important part of this thing is not to have super
super sound quality, but to introduce others to this new music. Third, things
don't need to be any more confusing then they already are, Mr. 'in order
of performance'. :-)

> Now, close your eyes and try to imagine someone who could be more of
> a pain in the ass than I've been about this tape thing.  Go ahead.
> You can do it.

It'll be hard. You were hounding me about sending a metal tape instead of
a chrome tape too. My eyes are closed nor and I;m tring ti rtpe.
Oops, see what happens when I close my eyes and try and type. :-)

Seeya,
Gary
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Author  : 9013118@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject : Re: Alternative
Written : 01/26/93.11:49am

Accordiung to me, there is no such thing as "Alternative" music anymore si
nce
"alternative" music is pretty mainstream today.
        I listen to such bands as the Butthole Surfers, Nomeansno, Negativ
land,
Sucking
 Chest Wound, Psychic TV, etc... but I would hesitate calling them
"alternative" because by today's definition, they aren't.

For real alternative music, listen to something from the real "Alternative

label, Alternative Tentacles.


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Speaking of Alternative Tentacles, would anyone have any information on
what Jello Biafra's next project will be, or maybe when his next spoken
word album is to be released? I used to receive stuff from them while I
was on the staff of the campus newspaper, but I don't have their
catalogues and such an ymore. The last thing I got was Klaus Fluoride's
last album....
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From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the *true* story

>Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:35:55 -0700 (MST)
>From: cinnamon girl <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
>Subject: RE: the *true* story
>
>Rachel came forth and spoke the truth:
>
>>>Truly, not much happened. We needed someone such as yourself to catalyze any
>>>truly interesting occurrences, and alas, it was not to be.
>>Actually Carol, they're all too embarassed to tell the truth.  We're still
>>cleaning up the used prophylactics and puke stains off the carpet.  The
>>Italians were just wild men.  And the groupies they brought with them..... ;)
>
>Well... that's more like it!  ;*)  And I bet that the prophylactics used by the
>Italians were extra-large size, eh!   ;)

        Monster size they were, since monstrous we obviously are. Should have
heard us and the groupies in our hot rendition of _Sister Ray_, y'know, the
part where she was busy doing this-and-that... :)
        OK, thanks Rachel for taking this weight off our conscience, I finally
feel better. By the way, you wouldn't believe it, but woj is *wild*... :) :)

        Ciao, Marco

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