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From: rogeraw@dhhalden.no (ROGER ALLAN WAHLGREN)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:12:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.200538.9149@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
>Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
>Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:05:38 GMT
>etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>>
>>I've never heard of this before. Is the Amiga Workbench considered better
>>than the GEM desktop by non-biased users?
>>
>
>Is a frog's ass watertight?  :-)  YESSS!  I finally got a chance to use that
>expression!
>
>Seriously, I think the WB is a hell of a lot better than GEM.  I used to have
>an ST, and IMHO, the design of the OS/GUI is horrible.  First of all, the
>OS is, for all intents and purposes, MS-DOS/68K.  Second, I really hate the
>design of GEM.  It consists of two major parts, AES and VDI, and the worst
>thing was that the VDI (graphics) didn't know about the AES (windows).  So if,
>for example, you needed to draw a line in a partially obscured window, you'd
>need to query the AES for all the visible rectangles of the window, and then
>set clipping and draw the line for each rectangle.  I could go on for pages,
>but let me just say that GEM is by far the worst window/GUI system I've ever
>seen, and it doesn't compare to WB or Microsoft Windows.
>
>>
>> Anders Skelander
>>
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PS!!! WHAT VERSION OF GEM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????????
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:05:24 GMT
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Klaus Pedersen (micro@imada.ou.dk) wrote:
: 
: The VDI supplies Device Independent Graphics, the screen is driven by the
: same commands that drives your printer, plotter, polarid pallette or even
: the metafile (vector) device.
:  

Unfortunately, the only screen device the VDI knows about is the raw screen.

:
: >for example, you needed to draw a line in a partially obscured window, you'd
: >need to query the AES for all the visible rectangles of the window, and then
: >set clipping and draw the line for each rectangle.  
: 
: What is wrong with this? Few systems have it any other way.
: 

In MS-Windows, X-Window, and OS/2, you just say, "Draw this line to this
window", and the system takes care of the clipping for you.  A window is its
own device.  You don't need to adjust the coordinates of the line relative to
where your window is on the screen.  You don't need to worry about other
windows which may be obstructing your target window.  The interface is much
cleaner.

:
: When a 3. party supply an alternative screen, they supply only a screen driver
: for the new resolutions. If the VDI knew about AES internal structures, they
: couldn't do this without supplying a new AES, which have nothing to do with
: the writing on the screen.
: 

One look at MS-Windows and your theory falls apart.  Seriously, do take a look
at it.  I've always been impressed by the design.

:
: Some 3. party offerings have special graphics processors (MATRIX uses Texas),
: and this is fully supported in their screen drivers.
: 

Same with MS-Windows.  There are plenty of different co-processed PC video
cards.  Windows (and OS/2) always push as much work as possible down to the
hardware, through the display device driver.

: 
: Of course YOU can write a new level ontop of the AES that supply SCREEN-
: RAPHICS!
: 

Of course, but I'd rather spend my time writing applications.

:
: -Klaus
: 
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From: barryb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Barry A T Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: ##### A1200 RELEASED NOVEMBER ##########
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:35:16 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University





 I`m Pleased to say Commodore are finally getting there act together in a big way  here in Europe .
Although the A4000 has been annonunced in Europe it has no immediate sign of appearing BUT.... Commodore are releasing the A1200 in November which has almost the same technical spec    ie. AA chip set, High Density drives etc....

The Developer machines arrive nextweek and CBM are marketing it as the Ultimate Games Computer.

The price is 499 uk-pounds and they are shipping 25,000 units in the first four months of release. One point too make is that ATARI who have died here are selling the Falcon030 for ... you guessed 499-uk pounds.

The other development is the A600 Price which CBM are saying they want to drop too 199 uk-pounds, Aiming the A600 totally at the Games Market,
The Price is viable since its manufactured here in Scotland from Base up.

The Falcon Faggots can Flame all they want now !!!!




	Barry B



*	Yes I AM a handsome Devil	*
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:40:19 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:

>  Could somebody please reveal who's actually buying the ageing
> C64 computer? I know the STe never made it to the top, but as far
> as I can see there's no reason why we should even mention C64 sales
> any longer. Commodore UK's C64 Game System, a pathetic NES wanna-be,
> flopped out of sight.

People in the eastern block and the third world mainly.
But who buy Atari nowdays?

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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Signs of computer industry shakeup beginning?
Keywords: Compaq announces big layoff
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:32:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

Compaq Computers announced a 10% reduction-in-force (rif for short)
which means layoffs for 1000 workers. Reason stated was fierce
computer industry competition. They also sold off their equity
interest in Connor Peripherals. Their stock lost 75 cents a share
at the close of trading Wednesday.

In other news:

Borland stock fell 6 and 5/8 to 30 and 3/4 (18% loss) after two analysts
(probably in the employ of Bill Gates and his heinous Microsofti)
slashed their earnings estimate for the firm.

Amiga 4000 got mixed reviews in latest Computer Currents magazine.
I'll post David Archambault comments (Director of Business Marketing
at C=) in a later post. He makes an interesting comment on why IDE
was chosen (EVEN THOUGH AN IDE CONTROLLER CAN HANDLE ONLY TWO HARDWARE
DEVICES WHILE SCSI CAN HANDLE SEVEN.) By his lame replies, you can be
certain his life expectancy at C= won't be long lived. He sounds like 
he is doing a lot of scrambling in order to keep his job. What a lamer!

 
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From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:19:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct12.180039.12122@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.122559.6360@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes:
>
>>Sigh.... The Quadras have never had a problem running 
>>System 7.0.1, the OS they originally shipped with.  This is the same 
>>version of the OS they are shipping with _today_.  
>
>Sigh...is that why they rushed to get the 7.01 patches out in such a hurry?

The 7.0.1 patches which you refer to affected all Macs equally and were due
to a bug in the OS, not in any particular Mac.  They would affect any SCSI
drive on any Mac equally from what I understand.

>I think you are mistaken.  The quadras were NOT "bug-free" when first shipped.
>Just read a couple of posts on the mac newsgroups to confirm this.

The Quadras WERE "bug-free" (or at least as much as other computers are
bug-free) when first shipped.  Numerous older programs neglected to flush 
the Quadras dual caches when necessary, causing incompatibilities when the 
Quadra's caches were activated.  Most all of the programs have long since 
been updated to handle this.

>And, System 7.1 is already out there.
>I think it is the current system being shipped with the Quadras.

You should keep your mouth shut when you are clueless.  7.1 is out in beta
only.  It is due for release in 1 week.  It is NOT being shipped with
Quadras currently (7.0.1 is).

>wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu            IBM, Apple, Sun, & Next make it expensive!

Yes, but I have some faith that at least 3 of them will still be a force in 
a few years.  I cannot say this for Amiga.

Jess Holle
jess@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:44:10 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1auukrINNt0s@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) writes:
> From his A2000, aldi@phantm.UUCP (Christopher Aldi) writes:
>>Ya, I'll vouch for ya on that one. But I though only ducks had bills? ;-)
> 
> Seriously, does anyone know if (contrary to a certain poster in
> c.s.a.misc who will remain anonymous) the A4000 has a 640x400 flicker free
> mode, like the A3000 (but, hopefully, with 256 colors)?

	It looks like the A4000 has 256 color productivity mode at 640 x
	480 that does not flicker.  However the 'standard' Amiga mode
	640 x 400, 16 color flickers just like a A500/A2000.  

	I read here on the net that a deinterlacer chip for the 600 x 400 
	mode was not practical because of the high bandwith neccessary to
	make it compatible with the new modes.

	I am disapointed that the hires|lace mode flickers but I like 
	the productivity enhancements.  Are the 3.0 includes to access
	the new modes available to non developers? Commodore?
> -- 
> | husc6!m2c!wpi!jdutka | "No matter how big a straw, you can't suck water up |
> | jdutka@wpi.wpi.edu   |  more than 34 feet."                                |
> | John Dutka, Jr.      |     -A WPI PROFESSOR WHO WISHES TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS |
> | jdutka%wpi.wpi.edu%mitvma.bitnet __________________________________________|
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

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From: dapor@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Carlo Dapor)
Subject: Re: such a rumor
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:07:21 GMT

that's what i am referring to
> also announced that it has *something* in the works with DIGITAL, (yes the
> caps are intentional :-).  DIGITAL has announced their new 64 bit risk pro-
								    ^^^^
> cessor, the alpha, (apparently the best thing since beer in cans!)

	just two words ..... the processor happens to be a RISC, and is proba-
	bly a real risk to DEC :-)))

	i appreciate any bugfixing product, which improves my favorite toy :-))

-carlo
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Date: 10 Oct 1992 12:53:11 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Keywords: Ugly

In article <mac1.718664304@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>  Good, you too admitted that its UGLY.

Hell, I admitted that WEEKS ago.  ;D

It is ugly.  It's about the same width as a 3000, about the same
height as a 2000, and looks more like the 2000 than the 3000.  It's
got that strange, bas-relief front that looks like somebody took
something really cool and bashed it into a wall, really hard.

But like all those beauty freaks say, it doesn't matter if you're
beautiful on the outside if you're gorgeous on the inside, and I think
that covers pretty well the case here.

But C=, fire those case designers.  ;D  It looks like you hired a
Cubist or a Picasso freak.  :)

> Hey I never criticised what was inside it or if it was functional or not
> I am just saying that maybe they should redesign its shape, maybe something
> like NeXT or something. 

Maybe NOT.  ;)  The last thing I want is a pizzabox or big black cube
taking up the good majority of my desktop.  That may work for
workstations, but not for PC's.  :)

> "Jerk its not PC compatible" I was a little upset. " Looks like one to me "
> he remarked. Well that forced me to post this article. 

He's got a point.  Then again, how different do you expect it to look?
All computers are at least SOMEWHAT similar, unless you get into the
really abnormal-looking Mac line.

No knocks here--The Mac IIx was really neat looking.

> but that is a major factor. Think about it, do you care how a car looks
> before you buy it or you just care if it runs good.  

I'm a student.  You can bet your skinny little ass that it had better
run good, even if it looks like crap.  :)

> IMHO a number of these computers look much better than A4000.       
> Decstations are kinda cool. ( My opinion ofcourse )

I'd say.  I think some of those workstations are just plain UGLY.  The
NeXT is cool, but I'm a big fan of black.  Hell, I bought a black Bell
& Howell Apple II on a whim, once upon a time, to sit next to my Apple //c.

Greg
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From: jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jon J. Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS---
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:41:28 GMT
Organization: SUNY AT BUFFALO Computer Science

In article <1992Oct10.220625.4355@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>In article <al158305.718667385@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:

>
>>>If you do not think that is a problem, then why did the ST (not STE) sell
>>>so much when the Amiga costed only $ 200 more. The Amiga is and was a
>>>better machine than the ST so thats no excuse. 
>>
>>    Yes it does! The ST came out about a month or two before the Amiga,
>>    and when introducing machines a month does make a big diffrence.
>
>True.  I remember the dealership I worked at in high school getting them
>almost a whole month before the ComputerLand store got their Amigas.
>

This is starting to piss me off.  The main reason why the ST died was
the fact that it came out too soon.  If I recall, the OS was up-graded
to version 8.00 before the Amiga's 1.1 was even out.  

ST owners could not even use the software they had after an OS up-grade.
The Amiga won that battle by simply waiting for it to be ready before
shipping it out the door.

I have learned something from Atari.  Don't tell any-one about it till its
more than READY.  And surley don't ship it! (I wish my boss knew this...)


>>>They are also launching a new games console in the spring of 93. It has
>>>almost the same graphics as the FALCON 030, but without the DSP. AND a
>>>64-BIT CPU plus the same sound as the 030. ATARI WILL RULE!!! 
>
>Wow... an Alpha based game machine?  I bet this will play a kick-ass game
>of Street Fighter II...
>
>>    I may be a nerd, but I can have a normal conversation for more that
>>    a minute or two with another normal person without frothing at the
>>    mouth or shouting or... etc. Can you?
>

Wow, a game machine for the home with more sure computing power than a
SUN SPARC station? Does it run at 88GHZ or something...

I think I will stick to something that works....  Amiga!
-- 
--Jon-J-Allen--jonallen@acsu.buffalo.edu--Computer-Science--SUNY-@-Buffalo-NY--
 "Ah lately I'm like a watch that's overwound and I've got both feet
  off the ground.  Because you see I'm gonna be so busy,
  oh my pretty. " - SUPERTRAMP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:42:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.172004.5850@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:

[ ]
>
>	Woha, my PC with OS/2 can multitask circles around any pidly
>Amiga (4000 included).  

OS/2 is sitting on the shelf of virtually every person who paid $75 to get it.
The rest are trying to figure out how to get digitized sound out of a PC 
running it and how to run MPC titles under it. In the meantime there's the
promise of OS/2 ver2.1 which all hope will settle many questions.
 
The basic facts are:
 
(1) OS/2 is very, very nice.
(2) It's not selling well.
(3) The 1500 apps that IBM keeps talking about are hidden away in a vault.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:46:27 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
[someone else wrote]
>|> 	Where I can multitask any IBM game (which are on par with
>|> Amiga games now adays) and most Amiga games take over the system (unless
>|> you personally crack them), the Amiga users have nothing to compare
>|> multitasking wars.  My Amiga 500 fanatical friend came over and we
>|> played power monger while diskcopying 7 disks in the background (
>|> ahem, never mind what they were of course...) of course, he couldn't
>|> do this with his Amiga.  He said, "I can do that with my Amiga, I
>|> just have to crack it so that I can access it from Workbench 2.0).

>"Most" (a word wide open to different interpretations) real Amiga games will
>now multitask happily with others. "Most" is not even nearly "ALL", tho it
>should be. However, I don't even think this should be part of a computer war,
>since it is simply the fault of stupid Amiga game companies, not the computer
>itself. If the programs were written correctly, ANY Amiga game could multitask
>as easily as the PC's games do, and probably a lot faster and better.

I dont think it is fair to say that an IBM can multitask two games while
the Amiga cant.  Most IBM games runs on DOS.  Since OS/2 or MS-Windows
emulates MS-DOS (via creating virtual machines), any DOS executables should
be able to multitask on OS/2.  

If you really want to impress me, try running two copies of Ultima 7 on
OS/2.  ;)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.210025.15846@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
|> For the amount of infomation it has to move, Windows 3.1 is pretty fast,
|> RUNNING UNDER OS/2 2.0 on my system.  And that's not the final release even.
|> I really bother me that people post 'Windoze is dog slow', without any qualifications.  
|> For all we know, he's running at 1024X768X256 unaccelerated on an 80286.
|> Windows 3.1 is not slow on any system I've seen.

This is so cool... they're getting all excited about being able to run Windows
"real fast" by bouncing it off every operating system on the platform (and I've
seen it, I don't consider it fast)... we pop the A-MaxII emulator in, and we get
a speed INCREASE over its native 68000 MAC environment!  8)

(Don't ask how this is related... it's a stretch at best. It makes sense to 
*ME*, and that's all that really matters 8)  )

As for it being "fast for the amount of information it needs to move around",
that's a poor measure of an OS. Of a drawing program or a 3D renderer, maybe,
but all that matters in a OS is that it's F-A-S-T. If it runs too slow to be 
easily usable, you have to REMOVE some of that information. 

If the Amiga WB 3.0 really was as unusable as MB claimed at one point, I don't
think we'd all say "well, for a 256 color HiRes-Lace screen it's fast", we'd
either complain about how slow it is, or not run it in 256 colors.

|> >  InterNET/BadNET: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (92:901/603.1)
|> --
|> Dan Stephenson, a *true* FORTRAN Hacker                        das9674@usl.edu  
|> "I have never understood why it should be neccessary to become irrational in
|>  order to prove that you care. Or indeed why it should be neccessary to prove
|>  it at all."  -Avon (Blakes 7 _The Duel_)               

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 19:15:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep25.175523.20771@klaava.Helsinki.FI> <35531@cbmvax.commodore.com>
  <1992Oct4.192209.26719@news.th-darmstadt.de> <u894776.718249257@bruny>
  <etxansk.718382232@garbod20>

> Could somebody please reveal who's actually buying the ageing
>C64 computer?

I dunno, but my dealer claims he could sell all he could get his
hands on; if he could get his hands on some.

Make of that what you will, hardly any new games anymore, but
I suppose there's so much software out there, its formed a life
all its own; similar to the situation that must've happened on earth
4 billion years ago when all those chemicals and amino acids in the
primordial soup (then called the ocean) spontaneously combined
to form life as we know it today.

>I know the STe never made it to the top, but as far
>as I can see there's no reason why we should even mention C64 sales
>any longer. Commodore UK's C64 Game System, a pathetic NES wanna-be,
>flopped out of sight.

I suppose if you wanted to do some experimentation for data collection
or process control, used C64's would be perfect since they're probably
as cheap as a potato chip these days.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy