HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tbarker@wildcat.iphase.com (Ted Barker)
Subject: Re: Found.000... (?)
Reply-To: tbarker@iphase.com
Organization: /users/tbarker/.organization
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.011942.26271@news.iastate.edu> TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller) writes:

	Well, I'm *finally* getting the hang of the difference between
   folders and subdirectories (there is none!), and moving files in the
   WPS.  Now I have another question...
	Does anybody out there have a folder/subdirectory called
   found.000?  Well, I found it (ha ha) and it was empty.  I decided I
   didn't need it, so I dumped it into the Shredder.  My WPS cleared
   off all of my objects/files and the picture I had in the background!
   Luckily, after waiting a few seconds, it was all rebuilt.  I can't
   figure out what happened, though!  If anybody knows what happened ,
   I would be grateful to find out!
	BTW, this folder/subdir was on the same drive as my OS/2
   folder/subdir, in the root folder/dir (what am I supposed to call
   it?!).

   Timothy Miller


FOUND.000 is generated by a chkdsk /F on an HPFS system when lost clusters
are converted to files (at least that is my experience).  Apparently WPS
crashed (or something of the sort) and came back when you did that
operation. If that had been Windoze, it would have been C-A-D time.

Hope this helps,

Ted

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Interphase Corp., Dallas, Texas
Internet: tbarker@iphase.com        CompuServe: 71042.2533
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: CSD Available?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:19:45 GMT

A friend of mine told me the CSD upgrade disk is available from IBM, and
gave me a number to call;  I haven't called yet; does anyone know if the
CSD (with the Windows 3.1 support) is ready for shipping yet?

...Paul


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: biff@athena.mit.edu (Adam B Cotner)
Subject: Re: anyone has info on mathematica for os/2?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:13:27 GMT

Can I get a phone number or e-mail addresses of the person
to whom I can "officially" request that an os/2 port be
made?

...if only software companies had a clue as to os/2 popularity
and the reason it is so wonderful, maybe it would not take a
grass roots movement to get them off to develope os/2 programs.

adam

Adam Cotner
biff@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: kotulla@scapa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Axel Kotulla)
Subject: Re: where is dirman20.zip?
Keywords: dirman20.zip hobbes
Reply-To: kotulla@scapa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Axel Kotulla)
Organization: RWTH Aachen, Deutschland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 19:55:12 GMT

Yesterday it was in pub/uploads, but I think the file contains an error,
because
after starting the program a window opens and closes just immediately
afterwards.

Axel


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: tbarker@curly.Iphase.COM (Ted Barker)
Subject: HP DeskJet + WinWord2 + Epson Driver = No Envelopes?
Reply-To: tbarker@iphase.com
Organization: Interphase Corp., Dallas, Texas
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:38:16 GMT


I remember that this was discussed not long ago, but long enough for all
of the related articles to expire.

Q:  How do you get W4W 2.0a to print envelopes on a DeskJet under WinOS2
using the Epson 6000 driver running as a Deskjet500?  

In that configuration, the printer feeds the envelope too far in, and
prints the return address at the bottom of the envelope, and then grabs
another piece of paper from the bin, and prints the destination address on
it (gee, thanks).  When I reboot under DOgS (thanks to Boot Manager) and
load up plain Windoze, the envelope prints out fine.  I DO have the last
published EPSON.ZOO that was posted on comp.binaries.os2.  This helped on
the extra FF problem, but did not on the envelope problem.

A related question: how does selecting IBMNULL as the default driver affect
both WPS apps, and WINOS2?

Any help appreciated!

Ted
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Ted Barker                          All Standard disClaimers Apply
Interphase Corp., Dallas, Texas
Internet: tbarker@iphase.com        CompuServe: 71042.2533
From: vapspgd@prism.gatech.EDU (Edward Hefter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: QuickLink II (Fax software) vs. OS/2
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:59:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I just purchased a class II fax/modem that came with Quick Link II Dos and
Windows software.  It doesn't get along too well with OS/2, however, and I
thought I saw someone post a similiar problem here before (since I didn't
have a fax/modem, I didn't follow it).  So, for those of us who missed it the
first time:

Quick Link II receives the first half of an incoming fax's first page, and
sends about as much of the outgoing coverpage.  This is running seamless or
in a full screen windows session.

Does anyone know any settings I might try to alleviate this problem, or is
the important setting going to be PM/Fax?
-- 
                                Edward Hefter
                   Trying To Survive the Ga Tech Experience
                         vapspgd@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:42:30 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Sep28.175412.9513@cu23.crl.aecl.ca> gutz@cc49.crl.aecl.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep24.093029.21394@microsoft.com> petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:
> > [some stuff deleted.../
> > <OLAVT.92Sep22195738@ulrik.uio.no> <1992Sep18.192320.17805@mksol.dseg.ti.com><1992Sep18.055258.26461@utdallas.edu><1992Sep22.102115.11330@microsoft.com><1992Sep22.162302.352@utdallas.edu>
> >
> >I think this is a sign of an unfortunate trend in the software industry.
> >The key focus seems not to be on developing good software, but on the
> >legal issues involved.  Software and hardware companies are becomming
> >more and more legal firms.  The focus has gone from developing interesting
> >technologies, to legally keeping the other guy from developing interesting
> >technologies.
> >
> >
> >Frankly, I think apps and os's are more closely related than os's and
> >hardware, and there are certain other companies who do, or have forced
> >you to use their os's.  (one is related to a fruit that is good for making
> >pies, and another did and still makes typewriters).
> >
> >MS's apps do run on OS/2, in windows mode.  Why should MS be forced to 
> >port them.  If that's the case, then maybe OS/2 should be forced onto
> >the MAC, Kind of the same deal.
> >
> >Let us work on things that the market wants us to work on, not on
> >what a few special interest groups with lawers want us to work on.
> >(there may be a market that want's Word on OS/2, but there is a bigger
> >market that want's other things).
> >
> >petesk@microsoft.com
> >My Opinions...
> 
> Pete,
> 
> With all due respect to whatever position you have at MS (and I don't
> care what it is), you are a total idiot!  If you think 2-3 million people
> constitutes a few special intrest groups, then you have to be brain-dead.
There are 2-3 million OS/2 users, state sources please.

>
< some stuff deleted >
> 
> If you, and/or MS think I'm going to use a Windows app under OS/2 when
> there is a native OS/2 app, you will surely miss the boat.  So drop your
> "NT is going to take the World" attitude and admit that MS is working on
> OS/2 apps.  One would have to be pretty naive to believe that MS hasn't
> noticed the potential of OS/2 and has not started to build apps.

I have left my post intact in this article so you can point out my
"NT is going to take over the word" attitude.  And, also tell me what
projects MS dropped to shift resources to OS/2 apps.


petesk@microsoft.com
My Opinions...
Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.apps:6734 comp.os.os2.advocacy:6607
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS ready to release 32-bit Word & Excel?!?! Read on...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:05:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep24.185006.6611@microsoft.com>
  <1992Sep25.180321.21928@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
  <1992Sep26.025734.7196@sequent.com>
  <1992Sep29.173907.13875@mksol.dseg.ti.com>

>I think he will take more than just the profitability of doing a
>version for a specific OS into account; like possible impacts on the
>other parts of his business (like, is it a good idea for MS to produce
>an application for a competing operating system?).

But doesn't this shoot holes in MS's argument that application divisions
and OS divisions are separate? Or are they only separate when the FTC
is curious (not that I agree that they should be kept separate, its
Billy's business, and he should be able to develop software anyway
he wants)?

>Yes, but Bill Gates isn't interested in pushing up the quality of OS/2
>software.  The lower it is, the better his profit picture will look,
>particularly after NT finally ships.

Let's settle in, we've got a long wait.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.apps:6585 comp.os.os2.advocacy:6297
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to release PM32 Word & Excel?  NOT
Date: 27 Sep 1992 18:07:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.apps
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep25.003425.16502@microsoft.com> tomjo@microsoft.com (Tom Johnston) writes:
>Despite what the trade press may say, Microsoft is not
>developing PM32 versions of Word & Excel.
>Tom Johnston
>tomjo@microsoft.com

...and Clinton didn't inhale, and the SDK isn't a beta, and there is such a 
thing as "military intelligence".

Tom, is that an official statement of Microsoft Corporation? (Not that I'd
believe it anyway...)
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Shredder vs. Trash (was: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:39:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <cenqOnG00WBOA2PMQG@andrew.cmu.edu> cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido) writes:
>"OS!2 2.0 Desktop" type in erase whatever, and then you'll get rid of
>whatever.  I'm not sure if it's updated on the desktop, and so this
>method is scorned upon.

It is deleted from the desktop, but not immediately.  It takes about
10 seconds.
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: klliou@milton.u.washington.edu (Kan-Lee Liou)
Subject: MATLAB & OS2
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:12:48 GMT

Is there anyone using MATLAB successfully under OS/2?
My mat386 complains 'virtual mode 8086 ... is used'.

klliou@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: ileicht@jarthur.claremont.edu (Spiff)
Subject: Virtualizing greater than 320x200 images to desktop
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:50:03 GMT

It seems that whenver i try and get a graphics program to the
desktop it gives me an error that OS/2 does not support that
graphics mode...

EI have a trident 8900 and am runing an 800x560x256 desktop.

I know that it has worked before... whats the deal?? 

Sometimes the OS/2 graphcis drivers get messed up. Like if I
switch back to a dso full screen window I just get garbage.
This problem just happens randomly and effets all sessions
from the time of boot... often I can just restart and it will
be okay...

What is with this inconsistency??


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos)
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Organization: UNLV Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:41:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.202515.7885@a.cs.okstate.edu> cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:
>>>Oh and btw, is there ANYONE out there who can do file management
>>>faster through the gui than they can through the command line? Why
>>
>>No, there never was. Unless you call Xtree Gold a GUI!!!!
>
>Hummmm.... about deleting a "tree" ("prune" under Xtree)...
>I can do that ONE THING faster with a GUI than most CLIs.
>
>Anyone got a clue for me on a way to whap a directory and all its children
>into the bit-bucket w/o typing a compound command?  How about a simple
>compound command?  (Must delete SubDirs containing files and other SubDirs w/o
>naming them explicitly)

Sure, try 'rm -r <directory>' I can type that faster than you can open
up a file manager. (No, you are not allowed to assume that it is
already open [grin!]). I don't know if specifically if rm has been
ported to OS/2, but if I had to guess I would say that it probably has
(check ftp-os2). I do know that rm has been ported to DOS (several
times).

TTYL - Steve

-- 
Steve Lumos - slumos@cs.unlv.edu
From: ucgadkw@ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: ckermit && TE/2
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:55:43 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>In article <1992Sep23.133347.1784@gacvx2.gac.edu> logic@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
>>Has anyone had any luck using ckermit as an external protocol under TE/2?
>>I've had no luck getting this combination to work.  
>>Any help would be greatly appreciated...

>TE/2 has a Kermit module available.  Have you tried that facility?

>You can obtain it via anonymous ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  Filename
> should be kermte2.zoo (or something roughly similar).

I tried using the kermit.exe file which was on hobbes, and on the TE/2
BBS, and it just hangs.  It also seems old.  Brady seems to have 
taken a 1983 version of Kermit source and cobbled it together for
TE/2.  This would (if it worked) not support all the long-block
and other features added to Kermit in the last decade.

Dominik
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: TE/2's DLL file version?
From: logic@gacvx2.gac.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:45:36 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

In article <1992Oct6.003012.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, qzhang@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> When unzooing the TE2_120.ZOO file got from hobbes, I got two versions of
> CommPak2.DLL.  The first unzooed on has 107798 bytes with 34 bytes of EA, and
> the second one has 108310 bytes (using DIR).  I noticed two .DOC files about
> the two verions, but how can I identify which one is which?

The larger one is the latest version..  You should use that one..

regards,
al hart

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Subject: HyperAccess/5 OS/2 3.0 BOMBS!!!  FYI:
Keywords: dirman20.zip hobbes
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:43:17 GMT

FYI -

	Today I became the proud owner of my first OS/2 program -
HyperAccess/5.  Got it from PC Connection; came a bit later than it
should have, but I recently read about some delays in shipping.

Well!!!!!   I powered up OS/2, ran the install program (3 disks) and
on the third disk, I got window full of near garbage (semi-sentences,
partial words, etc).  After pressing ESC I got back to the OS/2
window.  Shadowed the .EXE file to the WPS and fired it up.  No good,
got a screen full of garbage!  Reinstalled, same thing.

Called the company.  The tech rep said she had gotten a number of
similar calls today.  Seems the disk producer screwed up and a number
of bad disks went out the door (lucky me!).  They will send new disks
right away.  So.....  If you're waiting for your update/new order,
beware.  If you run into trouble, don't bother reinstalling, just call
the company.

-- 
Pierre von Kaenel	| Skidmore College	     | pvonk@skidmore.edu
Math & CS Dept.		| Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 | (518)584-5000 Ext 2391

[.... old sig has been retired.  New sig isn't ready yet. ]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
From: jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: PostScript utilities+other stuff uploaded to hobbes
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:25:18 GMT


I have uploaded a package called t1utils to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (hobbes).
It is in the /pub/uploads/utils directory for now. All I did was patch
it to work under OS/2. Flame me for OS/2 problems, etc.

It was compiled with EMX+GCC 0.8e. It needs several DLLs to run, and
they are in a file called emxdlls.zip. The DLLs are shared by a couple
of other programs I ported, and many other GNU and freeware programs will
use the DLLs, so a lot of disk space is saved. Put the DLLs in a directory
in the LIBPATH (in config.sys). ZIP 1.9 was used, so get UNZIP 5.0 or
you won't be able to unzip it.

The PS utils are in the file os2PSutils.zip.

A couple of other goodies are in the same directory:

uuencode/uudecode - binary<-> ascii convertor
flip  -changes between UNIX and OS/2 text file format.
btoa - more efficient binary<->ascii convertor, with error recovery

they all need the DLLs too. 

save disk space: use, and encourage using DLLs, especially the GNU EMX C
library.


John Paul

-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
 John Paul Morrison                     |  Just another "Enemy of Canada"
 University of British Columbia, Canada |  Say NO/NON to Constitutional
 Electrical Engineering                 |  hegemony and fear-mongering
 jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca              VE7JPM |  by politicians/scum.
________________________________________|_________________________________
From: hoppie@kub.nl (Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Cat and Mouse
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:18:33 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands

In article <BvCIC1.8r6@unx.sas.com> sasghw@pica.unx.sas.com (Greg Wust) writes:
>
>
>I saw a program running on a demo machine last week
>that had a Cat chasing the mouse cursor on the OS/2 Desktop (catching
>it, napping if it didn't move, etc.).  I have since been informed this
>was a program called Neko which I got but it is a Windows program that
>when run, restricts the cat to a window and not free roaming the desktop.
>Is there a setting for this or an OS/2 version of the program?
>
>Thanks.  Greg
>
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Greg Wust                              SAS Institute Inc
>Publications Programmer                SAS Campus Drive, Cary NC 27513
>sasghw@unx.sas.com   x7012             919-677-8000
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

You already *GOT* it! It is in the standard OS/2 package! Look in
the productivity folder (I think). Or look vor a file with NEKO in it--
that's it. IBM "market"s the thing as a program to practice with the
mouse...


Jeroen


-- 
Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers, research engineer at     |  Stop connecting computers;
Tilburg University, The Netherlands             |  start connecting people!
From: benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: deleting whole subdirectories
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:28:35 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Sep30.135831.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, smackinl01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.230019.24000@cs.brown.edu>, wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:
>> In article <kevinc.717803811@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker) writes:
>>>cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:
>>>
>>>>Anyone got a clue for me on a way to whap a directory and all its children
>>>>into the bit-bucket w/o typing a compound command?  How about a simple
>>>>compound command?  (Must delete SubDirs containing files and other SubDirs w/o
>>>>naming them explicitly)
>>>
I got a program from either a shareware bbs or local one called RMDIR21.ZIP
It contains the program nuke.exe which will nuke a subdirectory and all it's 
subdirectories in one fail swoop. Be careful however. I mean once it's gone, 
AMF.  ab

> Try the WPS :)
> Open the drive object, then drag the folder to the shredder.

Now there's an idea. I just like command line though.>  
ab
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 runs under OS/2?
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:06:17 GMT

tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer) writes:

>From article <1992Oct3.194856.2318@netcom.com>, by feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel):
>> Is there a C++ update price for owners of downlevel versions of the MSC C
>> compilers?

>Yes, it's $139 I believe.  Microsoft has been advertising this pretty
>heavily in a lot of the PC magazines.

>However, be aware that MSC C/C++ 7.0 will NOT produce OS/2 programs...even
>OS/2 1.x 16-bit programs, unlike MASM 6.0, which can produce 32-bit
>or 16-bit programs.  I refuse to upgrade my MSC 6.0 because of this.

I agree. I think I'm going to upgrade to the Zortech C++ compiler
on Monday if they're shipping.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]
From: nate@panix.com (Nate Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: COMPRESS for os/2
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:09:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Some people in my organization are looking for an OS/2 utility similar
to the COMPRESS available in both DOS and UNIX, or PKZIP available in
DOS.  Any leads you can pass my direction will be greatly appreciated.

nate@panix.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Subject: Mathematica- A PM port promised
Summary: Mathematica, a PM port promised.
Keywords: Mathematica, PM, OS2,
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:31:59 GMT

 text of a letter from Mathematica re OS2

 -----------------------------------
 Dear Mr. Unruh,

 The OS/2 version of Mathematica will be a full PM based graphics
 version. 
 Please contact me if you have any further questions.

 Sincerely,



 Lori Gilmore
 Academic Sales
 Wolfram Research, Inc.
 ph:   217-398-0700, ext. 233
 fax:  217-398-0747
 email:  lori@wri.com 
 --------------------------------------
 Bill Unruh
 unruh@physics.ubc.ca
From: kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: deleting whole subdirectories
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:56:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: aupair.kevinc.717803811

cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:

>Anyone got a clue for me on a way to whap a directory and all its children
>into the bit-bucket w/o typing a compound command?  How about a simple
>compound command?  (Must delete SubDirs containing files and other SubDirs w/o
>naming them explicitly)

I have heard that 4os2 will do this with something like a 

ERASE /S /X [path]filename...

where /S means do the subdirs and /X means really remove the subdirs
after all the files are gone.  Any confirmations on this?

Kevin
--
Kevin "autark" Crocker (Athabasca University)
kevinc@cs.AthabascaU.CA  -or-  risk@cs.AthabascaU.CA