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Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
From: malee@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:35:31 EDT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

To my Christian brothers and sisters:

	Um, I realize that I am probably out of line given that I am one of the 
originators of this incredibly long thread, but I feel that I must at least 
voice this comment.  However, given that in the past my articulation has been 
very poor indeed, I will say what is on my heart using the words of our Lord.

	"Brothers, do not slander one another.  Anyone who speaks against his
brother or judges him speaks agaunst the law and judges it.  When you judge the 
law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgement on it.  There is only one 
Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy.  But you - who are
you to judge your neighbor?"  (James 4:11-12 NIV)

	I am not posting this to add more momentum to this thread, but rather it
is my hope to still it.  I am not supporting a particular view because I believe
that I have already declared it (rather badly, I admit).  I think that whether 
or not the original post was blasphemous is between God and the poster.  There 
is enough animosity in the world.  Please, let us not try to add to it.

-- 
Yours in Christ,

	Matthew

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From: petra@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Sawtelle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Geoff Moore & the Distance, A Request
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:03:09 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Summary: Out of Print music!
Keywords: help!

In article <1992Nov20.202435.21464@umbc3.umbc.edu> haddaway@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Todd Haddaway; ADMIN-COMP) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.184512.29156@viewlogic.com> tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
>>
>>
>>Just recently got their new CD "A Friend Like U".  It is the first
>>recording of their's that I have heard and I *really* like it.  I
>>was wondering if there are other fans of them in netland that would
>>let me know something about them and their previous recordings, 
>>cause I'm interested in getting some moore.  :-)
>>

>Geoff Moore is Great!  His last CD was "Pure and Simple", which was a 
>little bit mellower than "A Friend Like U".  "Foundations" was before that.
>It is pretty good, but not as good as AFLU.  Before "Foundations" was
>"A Place to Stand" which is my favorite and most like "Pure and Simple".

And before that was a realease called "Over the Edge" or something like that,
that wasn't on CD and has been out of print for a number of years.  Thus my
request:  Does anyone have this realease and/or know how I could get myself
a copy?  I used to own this on cassette, and I loved it, but through some
bizzarre circumstance most of my cassettes were stolen.  In addition to the
title track, there were songs like "Why Should the Devil Have All the Good
Music" and "Marrianne."  I got the best-of album, appropriately titled
"All the Good Music," but I don't like the title rendition with Larry Noman
as much as the other one.

Can anyone help me?  When I lost this cassette I tried to reorder it but 
found that it's out of print... and I love that music!

		Thanks,
		Jeanne


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Help with music selection
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:40:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Concurrent Computer ,Oceanport NJ

I have been reading the postings re Metalica, but I guess I have not read 
them close enough. Now I need some help. My oldest son came home with a
CD from school last week. The group was "The Cure". You would not
believe the lyrics (well ... maybe you would). My wife & I said
"Not to be played in this house!" and then yesterday tried to discuss it
with him and other siblings. (There was no other time when they were all
home - too many activities.)

I need a list of Christian groups which would deliver music similar to
what my son likes. He has one tape of "The Altar Boys" which he will play.
I don't know what album it is. It is a copy (yes, I know copyright
infringement. He is fighting me on that one, too.) He still does like
Petra and MW Smith and a little Steve Camp. When I told him that
there WERE Christian bands with similar sounds, he, being 16, did not 
believe me. He has made a committment to Christ and has been baptised.
However, there is this teenage rebellion bit... 
So, since I myself do not know the names of these bands, could anyone
please give me a list with:
1) name of the band
2) titles of album(s)
3) "sounds like ..." - either another Christian band or secular
4) whether the albums are generally available in the US
5) any other helpful information

Please post or email. If you answer after 11/25, please send email.
My site only keeps 3 days of messages and between the Thanksgiving holiday
and being on the road for a week, I will miss postings. I will be happy
to post a composite list after a couple of weeks.

Thanks for any help.

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From: osbornjl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jr Jon Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rachel,Rachel
Date: 16 Nov 1992 03:48:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: osbornjl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jr Jon Osborn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-23.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov11.004034.13566@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House) writes:
> This is my first posting to the net (outside of laUNChpad.general). 
> I wanted to know if anyone knows why Rachel Rachel covered Kansas'
> "Carry on wayward son" on their Way to my heart album. Don't get me 
> wrong, They sound like they were born to sing that song, but I can't
> decipher any positive message behind the song that they might want to
> convey. Can anyone help me? The only message I can find (and I've 
> looked hard) is supporting rebellion. I love the song, but is it 
> Christian?
> On an unrelated topic, what kind of distribution should I set posts to
> this group? This message is usa only.
> Thanks, and God bless you all, this is a great group!
> 
> --Denes House (dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu) 
> 
> 
Denes, 
	The I take with the song is of a "not quit christian" person,  
strugling with faith and reality.  There intelect was unable to help them  
(Once I rose above the noise and confusion...tho my eyes could see I still  
was a blind man).  And there emotions (like everyone's) betray them  
(tossed about like a ship on the ocean).  Through all this there is a  
"voice" that tells them "there will be peace when you are done".  Many  
devoted christians I have talked to have had these feelings; they had to  
strugle to reach a point where they could except God's grace.  This is a  
song for the strugling; if they are strugleing to overcome the world and  
reach God then there will be peace when they are done.

							Jay Osborn
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:21:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <vfx1=kj@rpi.edu> mooras@rpi.edu writes:
>    When someone takes the holy word of God and twists it to make a joke, then *THAT* is blasphemy. I think Andy and those like him need to either find peace with themselves and with their fellow brothers in Christ, or find another net sub to post on, because I for one am sick of hearing their hypocrosy.

"War Axe"

I guess you're a newbie 'cos i haven't seen your posts here before.  How about
reading the entire discussion before you fire off a knee-jerk, ignorant flame
in the direction of a well-respected long time poster to this group. 
Intelligent, purposeful posts are appreciated, but this issue was resolved 
between the involved parties a couple of days ago.  

I think maybe you need to think a little more before you post stuff, or find
another net sub to post on, because i for one am sick of seeing people who
i respect being flamed by people who have given me no reason to respect them, 
and who also misspell 'hipocrosy.'

JRjr


-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:17:28 -0500 
From: Philip Montgomery Sherwood <ps3h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DOC

Anyone know anything about a new DOC album?

According to my CBS catalog, they were due to release Pullin' No Punches
in 10/92.
Did they?
Anyone have a review of it?

thanks
p
From: jcorbin@rsal.gatech.edu (Jeff R. Corbin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Under Midnight
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:25:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Tech Res. Inst., Modeling & Analysis Lab


this is the first time posting to the group.  i have enjoyed all the 
issues that have been brought up the past year or two.  so i have
given in to the pressure to start posting. 
i got the new under midnight CD last week and it was great.  anybody
know anything detailed about them.  is 'wonderland' (not sure about
the name of the CD) their first CD?  i really enjoyed the
story-telling format of the CD the most.  excellent buy for non-normal
music.


jeff corbin
Georgia Tech
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From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: PRAYER REQUEST!!!!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:41:06 GMT

In article <1e9hhfINNqem@bigboote.WPI.EDU> steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:

>	I agree with you absolutely that variety is the spice of life, but I
>don't see how using more songs from one particular songbook is going to make 
>anyone feel more comfortable with the service. I doubt very much that a
>freshman would show up once and never come back simply because he or she 
>isn't familiar with the music. If they enjoy singing, they will take the 
>effort to learn the songs,

Probably.  But hearing a well-loved song can make some people feel much
more at home in a strange place.  I remember well the first time I went
to a Bible-preaching church.  I had been looking into all sorts of
religions and philosopies, when a friend from school invited me to her
church.  I knew that I was looking for *something*, but didn't quite
know what.  When they sang two of my favorite old hymns, which I hadn't
heard since I was a young child, I began to wonder if God were trying
to tell me something, and had arranged for these songs to be sung, just
for my benefit...I became a Christian less than a month later.  I'm sure
glad those songs were there, cause that was the only part of the service
I was really comfortable with.  Those hymns were the "hook" that God
used to bring me back.  So, I can see the point of the original prayer
request.

Perhaps we could agree to pray along the lines that the whole worship
team, especially the leaders, would be open and obedient to God's leading
regarding what songs to use, regardless of their personal preferences
and biases?  Surely He alone knows what is needed, and when.

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From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is art? (was: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?)
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Nov19.011957.17856
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <1992Nov18.190429.15536@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.215619.9395@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu
>(Preston F. Crow) writes:
>>I would tend to disagree here.  I find that the more of a challenge a
>>song is to understand, the more I enjoy it.  The songs that I listen to
>>the most are the ones that I have trouble understanding.  Once I know
>>what's being said or can fully anticipate the music, I am no longer as
>>excited about the song.

>My experience of music enjoyment is different.  For me, I tend to enjoy
>more the songs I understand.  This isn't so difficult with mainstream
>CCM groups like Petra or Whiteheart, but it's a bit harder for Christians
>singing in the secular market.  F'rinstance, I find my enjoyment of the
>song "Dream in my Life" (King's X) much enhanced by my understanding of
>what the metaphor stands phor (sorry!).  On the other hand, I like Sam
>Phillips' songs from _TIW_ and _CI_, but full enjoyment of them is
>reduced if I don't know what they mean.  I think it's because I want to
>know, for every song, what sets it apart from a secular viewpoint; how
>it represents a Christian world view.

Yes, we do seem to disagree, but I think that I may need to clairify my
point here a bit.  I enjoy the process of coming to an understanding.
I enjoy art that makes me think.  If the message isn't clear, but listening
to the song doesn't make me want to ponder the message, then I don't
enjoy the song.  If the message is understood, but there are subtleties
that I still have to think about, then my enjoyment is intensified.

Hmmm.  I don't seem to be able to find the words and phrases to say
exactly what I mean here.  I guess you'll have to ponder a bit and
see past the words.  :-)

>This is not to debate or disagree with you, just to share with you my
>point of view.
I appreciate the kind tone.

--PC
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From: JLow@hcisun.mdc.com (J Low)
Subject: Top Ten P&W 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:36:54 GMT
Organization: MDSSC
Followup-To: rec.music.christian

Since the discussion has been dying down a bit, thought I'd stir it up a
bit with the good ole' name your top ten (plus I'd like to find some great
new songs to sing)  Sooooo, name your top ten P&W song along with their
composer and publisher (Vineyard, Hosanna, Maranatha etc.).  Name your top
five P&W CD's or tape's.  And name your top five P&W composers.  I'll be
working on my list....

Cheers
Jerry
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: abney@stsci.edu
Subject: RE:  Margret Becker
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:18:28 GMT


	I also think that Margret Becker is great.  I think  
	she's the best female Christian musician out there.
	Her second album was called The Reckoning and to me,
	it's her best.  Simple House won either a Grammy or a Dove
	Award for best Christian Rock album (maybe even both) last
	year.  

	In concert, she's really emotional.  I guess it's because
	most of her songs are from her heart, not written by a lot
	of other people.

	She's definately worth listening to.

			--Faith
From: markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when one of your own
Keywords: makes Metallica look good?
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:20:52 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eomer.hw.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov16.200419.7900@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>
>
>Hmmm sanctified.... that means something like holy right?
>Holy because you listen to the right christian music as opposed
>to the wrong christian music?  

Holy because you follow the precepts of God.  This is for you to
determine through God's word and through Biblical teachings from
pastors, teachers, and evangelists who are given unto us for our edification.
Many things are very clear.  Others not so clear.  But one who is truly
saved has the benefit of the Holy Spirit to convict.

>
>I think I've been had, and its not even April 1.
>  Let me see, this
>is starting to sound a lot like:
>	- shouldn't eat meat at all
>	- shouldn't eat meat sacrificed to idols
>	- have to be circumcised
>or more temporally
>	- shouldn't have instrumental music in church
>	- gifts of the Holy Spirit died out with apostles
>	- shouldn't serve wine instead of grape juice or vis versa
>And now re-introducing
>	- christian rock is bad
>
>Anybody know any real good songs about legalism?

No.  But I do know a VERY good passage of scripture that answers
the issues you just presented.  Look up I Corinthian 8.  Yes, it
discusses meat sacrificed to idols.  It also teaches the principle 
that one should abstain from eating that meat if it is detrimental
to your testimony.  Not that it isn't legal for the CHristian, but
it isn't expediant.

Now refer to Acts chapter 16.  You will see that Paul had Timothy
circumcised.  What!  But Paul just got finished saying that
circumcision was not required by God.  But in chapter 16, the reason
is given that, because Timothy was to witness among the Jews in a
certain area, he should be circumcised so as not to detract from his
testimony.

This doesn't sound like legalism to me.  It sounds like clear
principles that are needed if we are to be effective bearers of
the gospel of Jesus Christ.


>
>Reminds me of the Church of Christ joke (and yes I was one :-)
>Guy gets to heaven, St. Peter showing him around, in this
>room are the baptists, having a great time fellowshiping and praising,
>here the methodists, and so forth as they walk down  a great hall
>in a great mansion.... at the end of the hall signs everywhere:
>SSHHHHHH
>QUIET
>No Talking
>
>what is all this about, he asks St. Peter
>That's the Church of Christ, they think they are the only ones here.
>
Hey!  Guess what!  Not only do I not belong to the Church of Christ,
but I even differ with them concerning baptismal regeneration and
lost salvation.  I'm one of those Baptists that was having a great
time...you know...leading a 'full' life.
>
>Hey Casey, did I do a better job this time?  :-)

mc
From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:11:27 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, Dept. of Mathematics

In article <1992Nov18.021301.50@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>mooras@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Steve 'War Axe' Mooradian) writes:
>>    
>>     I think Andy and those like him need to either find peace with 
>>     themselves and with their fellow brothers in Christ, or find 
>>     another net sub to post on, because I for one am sick of 
>>     hearing their hypocrosy.
>
>here's one dissenting vote.
>
>--
>"Nine out of ten men, women & children enjoy a cold beverage." - Letterman
>`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`


Here's another dissenting vote! Probably 60% of the time I disagree with about 
50% of what Andy says(sorry still recovering from the election polls ;-).  Other 
times like his recent reply to Mr. Christensen, he says exactly what I wanted to
say but am not eloquent enough to say so.  If you don't like what he has to say,
argue with him but don't bannish him.

See Ya,

Steve


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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: OPEN DISCUSSION:     JAG
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:55:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu wrote:
: Change of subject!!!!   Tell me EVERYTHING anyone knows about JAG, and what you
: all think of the "Fire In The Temple" album.  You can also talk about the other
: albums too though!!!

I'll be a stick in the mud - I saw them open for WhiteHeart and thought
they were boring and pretentious.  I didn't know their stuff, but in
concert it came across as re-hashed pop-metal with all the generic
stage stuff you'd expect from an 80's metal band - lots of leather,
hair flying to touch the nose on every down beat (think of the Wayne's
World "Bohemian Rhapsody" video and you'll get the idea).  This is
especially true since they opened for Whiteheart, who came accross
very unpretentious.

: 
: Thanks all!
: Evan
: 

sorry for the downer -

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver

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From: sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley)
Subject: Re: 77's new album
Keywords: 77's
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:41:40 GMT

In article <uscream.722237256@mcl> uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.) writes:
>Ok, kids, its time to stir the waters of controversy.  What do ya'll think of
>the new 77's album.  I'm talking lyrically, musically, the cover--everything.
>Dissappointed, glad, sad, frusdtrated, praying that they'll get saved???
>Wondering if they cover is indicative of their having joined a thrill-kill
>cult?  Wondering of Roe has become a guru??  Tell me, tell me.  I will
>express no opinion until I have given others a chance to.  I already know
>what I think.  I don't want to get flamed for it.  Might be fun to have all of
>you guessing though...  What do ya'll think about the group wanting to call
>the album Pray Naked and not being allowed to by BAI or Word??  The waters
>of controversy...

All right.  Looks like we're gonna get some quality conversation going
here.  And about music too.
	I have to admit that I have not yet made the Pray Naked purchase
(To the fans, I think this will always be the official title of the
release) but I have seen it and heard it once.
	I'd like to point out that Mike has definitely not lost his 
sense of humor in spite of the heat he got for this one from his
distributors, or whoever else it is that tries to make his life
miserable (more miserable than YOU'LL ever be).  First of all the cover
itself its just too much (anybody know if there's a poster -- I just
gotta have that poster).  Then of course there is the outright mockery
of Word which can be seen in the blacking out of the song title
"Pray Naked" as well as the foreign guy on the answering machine (I
was rollin').
	Maybe I'm reading into it too much to say that those two
things are mocking Word.  What do you people think, am I wrong or
were the censor mongers at Word totally clueless when they let that 
stuff pass?
	I need to listen more to the CD before I'll have more to say.
But with respect to the lyrics, I think Mike might be in L-O-V-E.
Although in a recent interview he pretty much denied that most of the 
songs were about his own personal life.  I don't know, anybody got a 
clue on this one?



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