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From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: Gay Culture at MOW (Re: march on washington '93)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:15:17 CST

In article <1992Dec11.131857.32132@watson.ibm.com>
jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>...is there any itineraries of gay
>activities during this weekend?  i'm thinking specifically
>of gay plays, gay choruses, gay movies, etc...

I could swear this has been posted several times, but I don't
have it on file.  Anyway. risking redundancy, this is the info
I have (it's pretty general).

Calendar of Events (as of 9/15/92)

Wednesday April 21
  Historical Exhibit opens

Thursday April 22
  Historical Exhibit
  Lobbying - MOW, NGLTF, HRCF
  Student Conference opens
  Chorus Festival
  Masquerade Ball
  Victory Fund Candidate Training

Friday April 23
  BiNet Annual Meeting
  Historical Exhibit
  Lobbying
  Student Conference
  Rainbow Alliance Conference
  Chorus Festival
  MOW Black-tie Banquet
  Drag Show Extravaganza
  Gay & Lesbian Parent Coalition Banquet/Reception
  Victory Fund Candidate Training

Saturday April 24
  Wedding - Ceremony of Commitment
  Historical Exhibit
  Student Conference
  Drag Show Extravaganza
  Texas Two Step Party
  Bi National Gathering
  Harvey Milk Memorial Unveiling
  Motorcycle Run
  S/M Leather Fetish Conference opens
  Interfaith Service
  MSU/GALA Reunion
  The Purple Circuit - Theatre Reception
  National Minority AIDS Council Reception
  Prisoner Proxy Project
  Victory Fund Board Meeting
  Lesbian/Gay Bands of America Concert
  "Time to Shine" Day of Healing for PWAs

Sunday April 25
  Historical Exhibit
  Lesbian Physicians Conference Opens
  Opening Stage
  THE MARCH
  Main stage & rally
  MOW Volunteer Thank You Reception

Monday April 26
  Historical Exhibit
  Lesbian Physicians Conference
  Direct Action/Civil Disobedience

Tuesday April 27
  Historical Exhibit
  Lesbian Physicians Conference

Wednesday April 28
  Historical Exhibit
  Lesbian Physicians



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food 
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:26:21 GMT

> rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:

>So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
>queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"

Obviously, anything from Arne's Joan Crawford Cookbook,
or arnold's Virgin Mary's Spinach Delite, or even a
Birkenstock Casserole -- since this *is* a potluck..

But, on a more practical if less *faabulous* note, you
could bake triangular cookies, daub them with pink icing
and charm your assembled co-workers with stories of that
symbol's origins.  I think your colLEAGUEs at AT&T Bell
Labs in New Jersey tried this already with some success.

Then there's quiche...
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:20:45 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith) writes:
>jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>>>But, Father Amelia and Mama Jojo, *puts his head down in shame*  
>>>I have no leather garments ...
>> 
>> sounds like perfect stocking stuffers to me ...
>
>Awful big stockings ... 

i say.  do they make condoms that large?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
Subject: Re: Bert and Ernie
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:03:29 GMT

In article 6701@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu, saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe) writes:
> 
> 	Well from what I hear, I think Bert was killed off of Sesame Street
> because some parents believed that their young children watching Bert and
> Ernie might also think they were gay since they sleep in the same bed. 

Cough....Choke....Stagger....OH my Gawd....

I seem to remember (from some 10-23 years ago) that Ernie and Bert had SEPARATE
TWIN beds (much like older sitcoms).  One had an E on the headboard, and the other
had a B.  Now if Ernie was sleeping in the bed with the B, I can see some parents
having a few ducks, cows, otters and platypusses over the story line......


> IMHO
> a pretty rediculous idea, I think the parents are overreacting, and
> protecting their children from the realities of the world we live in.  But
> that is another topic altogether.  I believe they gave Bert cancer and he
> eventually passed away because of it.  Now how do you explain cancer and
> death to your kids if you can't explain what happens during their lives!

Maybe they should have given him Kaposi's Sarcoma, that way they would have 
even more things to explain.....


> Time to face up to reality, no matter what your sexual preference, we are
> all people and all equal, plain and simple.....
> 

Thank Gawd (and the Goddess).

> -------------------------------------------------------------------
In all honesty, I havent seen Sesame Street in a few years, things might have
changed.....Nah.. It's PBS.


J.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <71693@cup.portal.com> <71719@cup.portal.com>
     <1992Dec15.161725.23590@mcs.anl.gov>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:24:38 GMT

In article <71719@cup.portal.com>
 James Lawrence Blastic, Jim-Guy@cup.portal.com writes:
>I'm suprised no-one mentioned the several nasty 
>things about vinly recordings that one *CAN* hear -- like 
>their willingness to develop scratches, attract dust,
>and warp.  Not to mention the hardware's capacity 
>for unfaithful reproduction on many systems.

"Hardware's capacity for unfaithful reporudction" yes, but

Doesn't anybody listen to the radio anymore?  I hear four or
five CD "data recovery errors" every day of my life, and I find
them intensely more irritating than pops or crackling.  (My
records don't skip cuz I take proper care of them, but that's
another story.)  If you're lucky, you just get a popless skip that
bypasses noticeably more music than it's vinyl counterpart.
And if you're not-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-......

It's true that whatever few vinyl recordings come out these
days are done so poorly that the CD does sound better.  On the
other hand, digital remasterings of pre CD-era works are all
too frequently slapdash and horrible-sounding.  Sometimes They
even "clean up" electronically-reprocessed stereo mixes, where
no real stereo mix was ever done. (i.e. any Rolling Stones record
before _Aftermath_)

IMHO the 44.1kHz/15 bit* sampling rate that we're STUCK with now 
as "adequately" describes a sound wave as NTSC does an image. :-)   
Double the sampling rate and use higher-bit technology?  Ha-ha-ha 
good luck.   We've been stuck with NTSC for over 30 years now, and
it will certainly be at least that long before the music industry
trashes this premature format.  Call me an atavist or a elitist
nitpicker.  I _can_ tell the difference between music and 
Nyquistized music, even through all the wow and flutter and 
rumble and hiss.

A 35 mm print of a movie might be spliced and scratched to hell,
but it still lookes better to me than television.

Oh yes, and anyone who disagrees with me is a homophobe.

Charlie
(*1 bit used to detect *frequent* parity errors, don'tcha know)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (Sonja Orlavski)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:24:05 GMT

James J. Yorton (yorton@turtle11.rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
[text deleted]
: Well, I have no problem with transgender people.  It may have
: sounded like I was harping on the transgender issue, but keep
: in mind 4 of the 7 main demands included transgender.  You'll
: recall that I said, not once, but *twice* in my post that I don't
: condone discrimination on anyone, including transgender peeple.
: Sure, the Stonewall Inn had transgender people in it, but they were
: also gay.  Most transvestites are straight.  It isn't clear to
: me why we need to include transgender cateory, which to me is
: gender identification and expression, with a march for rights
: based on sexual orientation.  Why stop there?  And what's the
: connection?  I'm sure there are other categories that aren't included
: that should be, if we're going to include non-sexual orientation
: categories, such as transgender.

The connection is that the people who do the discriminating (people like
CFV in Colorado and the Prop 9 backers in Oregon) don't separate transgender
and lesbigay.  I am bisexual, and I am also transsexual.  Many people who
are understanding have a problem understanding the distinction.  Imagine
the difficulty involved in explaining the distinction to someone who thinks
that "those people" are all perverts and immoral and are going to burn in
hell.  Lesbigay people and transgender people need protection from the
same discriminations, from the same people.

: Hypothetically, can anyone document
: cases of discrimination based on transgender issues that are not
: lesbigay related?

In all honesty, it happens a lot less often because TG people HAVE to
stay in the closet, as it were.  Society is even less accepting of people
who are TG than of people who are lesbigay.
I'm sure you've fought for your rights to express yourself without being
shat upon by closeminded fools.  Why not mine?  It's really easy, now that
you have some power, to use it selfishly.  Did you get pissed when
het folks did the same things to you?  Why are you doing it yourself?

			-Deb

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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Key West Accomodation and Attractions ??
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:25:41 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) wrote:
> I said:
>>Call the Key West Business Guild at 800-535-7797 (I assume one can call
>>such a number from the UK)...
> 
>Unlikely.

I'm sure he can still call, it just may not be toll-free.  If would like
me to call for him to save the toll, please send me e-mail with your
address and phone number (they request that information for their files).

>p.s.  My husband and I had a nice stay at the Oasis guest
>house a couple of years ago.  It was clean and tranquil, and
>noone seemed to mind if a guest occasionaly "forgot" to get
>dressed.

Most brochures for guest-houses state whether they are clothing-optional
or not.  It helps to make the decision which to do business with.  Many
guest-houses are male-only, female-only, queer-only, etc.  Many cater
to a mixed, but "liberal" crowd.  If you prefer to stay in a *-only
environment, make sure the brochure for the particular guest-house
is what is preferred.


Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
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From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:06:18 GMT

In article <1gt2biINN5ug@fido.asd.sgi.com> pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

>"Dancer From the Dance"   - anyone remember the author?

I believe that's Andrew Holleran.

>pauli.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:44:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.032904.10346@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>I've gotten what seems to me a good suggestion by email,
>because it focuses on the udea of "us ourselves":
>soc.motss.being.  Odd at first, maybe, but it's been growing
>on me the more I consider it.

Oh come on, this is silly, everyone knows that it should be soc.motss.pods
and soc.motss.nonpods.  

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:23:46 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

>She said that she never wanted
>the comment to be a public thing, unlike him, but that he made it a public 
>thing.  And she appologized sorta, by saying that the insult wasn't
>meant to insult gay people, it was meant only to insult him.

Well... I'm not upset about the word so much as who it came from and
why she used it.  Roseanne and Tom have done a great deal of good to
poke fun at the bigots... although I'm beginning to get the impression
that they (the bigots) feel that Roseanne is just waving it in front
of their face.  I think they probably should tone down the
sensationalisms a little... although the Christmas episode was a hoot.
Anyway... we all, including Roseanne, need to move past the stigma
that *those* words have carried all these many years.  We still have
some "family" oriented gay forums in which one cannot say "queer" as
in "Queer and proud of it" without getting slapped by a moderator.  

I just hope she can find other ways to grind someone to a bloody pulp
that to use anti-gay word abuse.

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From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Drooling over the "Europa, Europa" guy.
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:49:16 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

>In <1992Dec15.045849.1925@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU 
    (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>>I just rented "Europa,
>>Europa" last night.

In article <1992Dec15.121329.27008@nstn.ns.ca> daniel@nstn.ns.ca 
    (Daniel MacKay) writes:

>Man, that is one brain-bender, isn't it?  He communicates perfectly the
>exquisite pain and confusion his character's going through.
>
>Sigh.  ObMotss: there is no motss content in this film execpt for some
>very handsome guys.


On the contrary, there is relevance on two levels.  

(As a reminder to those following this thread, the main character
is a German Jew who, while hiding his identity, ends up in the Nazi army.)

First, there is an older Nazi soldier who, in one scene, cuts
Josef's (the main character) hair.  The attention he gives Josef implies
some infatuation from the soldier.  Later, he surprises
Josef during a bath (the intrusion appears to be a forward flirtation).
The soldier learns of Josef's secret Jewish identity, which
he can hide as long as no one sees his circumcised penis.  The
soldier keeps this secret, probably because of his attraction to
Josef.  (Josef had become sort of the "darling" hero of the unit
as well.)

That is motss relevance on the more direct level.  A second, less
obvious example is the fact that Josef is at great risk should
anyone (unfriendly) learn his true identity.  There is at least
one scene in which Josef confesses he is a Jew -- to the mother
of a sort-of girlfriend.  I found this scene quite poignant, as
it portrayed the courage and anguish of standing up for one's 
identity in the face of grave risk.

And, yes, I suppose the fact that I thought the character was adorable -- 
and that anything bad happening to him was unthinkable :-) --
made such scenes all the more poignant for me.

I seem to recall a rather thorough post on this last year from
Ron Rizzo (?).  Sort of a movie review from a gay male viewpoint.
It was a good post, and a good movie.

>Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.040206.28702@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>
>Children are not able, physically (before puberity), emotionally, or 
>psychologically, to handle the responsibilities and pressures of a 
>sexual relationship. (This is well documented, unlike many of the claims
>made in this forum by those who would equate everything homosexual with
>NAMBLA)


Damn, thanks for telling me, I hadn't realized that I couldn't handle
doing my best friend walter at seven, and my upstairs neighbor at nine.
No doubt the fun I was incapable of handling resulted in severe emotional
scarring.  

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: NYC Information Request
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:41:05 GMT


In article <liqhbfINN1ct@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, ebrown@corpurch.Corp.Sun.COM (Eric Brown) writes:
|> I will be travelling to New York this month and
|> would like to know of some good gay dance clubs.
|> 
|> My preferences--NO leather, 20s-30s crowd, great
|> dance music, reasonably safe neighborhood.

You'd best choose another city.

There is no such thing as NO leather in this 
town any more, at least to those who think that
wearing it is the same as being "into it.".  

And everything's in flux - the Roxy is falling off,
Warsaw's a bust, Limelight has a backroom and lines
around the block (that's a NYC block.)  The old clubs
haven`t closed yet, and the new ones haven't opened.

Based on what you're saying, you should go to _Splash_
for happy hour - it's on W.17 (or 18?) between
6th and 5th.  It's a big Fire Island/gymMonkey/attitude
crowd, which I would guess is what you want based on 
your preferences.  There, inside next to the window,
you'll find a free magazine called _Homoture_.  It's
usually the best for what's going on, night by night.

And you'd best change "reasonably safe" to "comparatively
safe".   Take cabs at night.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE)
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:23:31 GMT

In article <71779@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>[Much ado has been deleted....]
>
>I find it interesting that no one has presented the explanation
>I first heard.  While I make no claims for its accuracy, it does
>at least SOUND good.  ;-)
>
>Even today in Britain, I understand, the word "fag" is used as
>slang for "cigarette."  The explanation goes that the transfer

   The origins are uncertain.  The use of the word fag for cigarette
probably comes from the older term fag/faggot for "burning stick", or
"kindling".  Whether the supposed femininity that smoking a cigarette
implied led to the usage of fag for an effeminate person, and later
to homosexuals, is one possibility.
  A far grimer possibility arises from the old punishment for 
homosexuality, burning at the stake.  Hence homosexuals were fit for
burning, therefore faggots.
  There are, of course, a few other explanations..
                                    Bri...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:31:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.044450.27914@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>Oh come on, this is silly, everyone knows that it should be soc.motss.pods
>and soc.motss.nonpods.  

In point of fact, of course, the first group shouldn't exist.  (It
won't, anyway.  The pods will vote it down.)

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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Hair and other private matters (was: [various other stuff])
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:21:40 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) wrote:
>Further inland (I drove to Worcester and back last night)
>it was all snow, and looks lovely (from a distance, anyway). 

It always does.  I used to love waking up early on mornings after
large snowfalls (where I'm from, that was just about every night from
November to April), and look at the beautiful snowcover before people
trampled all over it.  Pictures look great.  But I get cold taking
ice out of the tray, so that's as close as I like to get.

>A private showing! Now, this idea apeals to me. Never mind the
>photographs.

But the perm!  You wanted to see the perm!  Oh, I guess any curly hair
will do.

>(Hmm... didn't we have a private showing, quite a few of them
>actually, more or less in public, somewhere along the Columbia River?)

Ah, yes, but Daivd is likely to be here for this one...
(He's much too shy [in public].  He wouldn't even have considered going
near Rooster Rock.)

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Alma Gluck and other stuff
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:34:46 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) describes someone 
(now deceased) that he used to know:
 >who was probably the single nastiest,
 >most opinionated opera queen who ever lived.  He makes me
 >look like Mara.

It's a stunning image.  If you've seen my gif you'll find it even
stunning-er.

Mara [the anti-Queen]
(not to be confused with Auntie Queen)


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Drooling over the "Europa, Europa" guy.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:16:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.121329.27008@nstn.ns.ca> daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.045849.1925@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>>I just rented "Europa,
>>Europa" last night.
>
>Man, that is one brain-bender, isn't it?  He communicates perfectly the
>exquisite pain and confusion his character's going through.
>
>
>Sigh.  ObMotss: there is no motss content in this film execpt for some
>very handsome guys.

This isn't true. When Solly Perel is in the wehrmacht, there is a scene
where he is paired off with a German soldier who is homosexual and
attempts to seduce Solly. Solly reacts well but declines.

>--
>Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca
>Homo habilis					Nova Scotia, Canada


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