From: memco@cns.nyu.edu 
Subject: Re: Stand up girls! (More Gas, Bigger Fire)
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:28:14 GMT


In article 20638@cs.brown.edu, cs123057@cs.brown.edu (Chainsaw) writes:

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> |> Chainsaw, perhaps you hadn't noticed that this is almost the 21st century. Perhaps you
> |> haven't comprehended that women, who make up half the planet,have as much right to speak as
> |> the other half.
> 
> Did I mention anything about women "NOT HAVING THE RIGHT TO BITCH"?  I think you misread something
> there.  Everyone has the right to speak his mind out, so don't think YOU can shut me up!

A) Chainie, I'm not trying to shut you up. I'm complaining about the crap you're saying. Spew on.
B) You wrote in your original post:

"AND GALS also better start building up a right attitude to treat male, bitching alone
is NOT gonna get you any where.   Do you know why people consider Chinese (& American)
wives the worst?  That's because they can't keep their mouths shut!!  If you want things
changed, DO something about it."

You're right. You didn't say they didn't have the right to bitch. You just said people
(and you still haven't identified these people) hate Chinese (& American) women who 
can't shut up. Now maybe women unfortunate enough to be around you spend all their
time bitching. You right again, though. They should do something. Move away from you.

> 
> |> Most of all, I know you haven't that figured out that the biggest
> |> HISSY-FIT BITCHING is coming from YOU. You whine that women don't have the right attitude
> |> about how to treat men, that they can't keep there mouths shut.
> 
> Who can?  At least YOU can't keep your noise-cavity shut.  If you read and actually have enough
> intellect to understand that I am talking about women's willingness to Do something to change
> the problem instead to complaining.  You will realized that the reason why the situation has 
> come to this is partially female's fault, relationship is a 2-way game.  Female has to give
> room for the male to move in and get abusive. If the female had fought for their causes from 
> the start, it wouldn't have ended up this way.

Maybe you don't really understand the technology involved here, Chainie. This is a computer.
I type into it. Unlike you, I don't have to speak the words as I write them.

As for your statement that the central precept of your original missive was that women must
accept partial blame for bad relationships (your eloquent "Female has to give room for the
male to move in and get abusive." touched me), when exactly will men start accepting any?

I've sat here (and wrote nothing, much to my discredit) for three weeks or so and witnessed 
a thread saying that men should a)marry some woman who'll give her all to a guy, advancing
his career b)get a hot mistress, once he has enough money, for hot sex
c)bonk anything he can get in between, etc. etc. etc. 

You are right though, women should do something about people like this.
They should never marry assholes like that. And if said asshole uses guile to convince 
said woman that he is not the little cheating bastard he is, she shouldn't bitch. She 
should sue him for everything and leave him in the gutter. Was this the sort of action 
you were thinking about? Hmmmmm? Why do I doubt it?


> 
> |> I'll give you a clue
> |> (obviously the first you've ever had). Women don't bitch about men who treat them with
> |> respect. And a man who is confident in himself isn't afraid of a woman who talks (or
> |> are you just afraid of all those teeth?)
> 
> Wrong, women bitch about everything!  Now let Me enlighten YOU a BIT.  People likes to complain,
> it's because humans are never satisfied with what they have.  People are greedy, they always
> desire more, they never thought about WHETHER they deserved anything but always want something
> better.  If a men treats them with respect, they then bitch about how little money they make,
> how unattractive they are.... etc.etc.  THEY always nitpick on details!  (people of both sexes
> do this, don't deny it!)  My point is I hate bitching, as much as stupid, idiotic, pseudo-pc,
> lame postings like yours.  But I still can't deny you your right to express you "well-thought"
> (or lack thereof) arguements.

If as you say "(people of both sexes do this, don't deny it!)", why are you so crazed to 
ascribe this behavior only to women? Your first sentence if it read "People bitch
about everything" would true, unarguable and insipid. But if you'll read my original
statement, I said women don't bitch about men who treat them with respect. 

You say "If a men treats them with respect, they then bitch about how little money they make,
how unattractive they are.... etc.etc.". I'll admit I'm not exactly sure about what you mean 
here. If the second and third "they" is the guy the woman is with, then he should stop
bitching to this newsgroup and leave said woman. If these "they"s refer to the woman herself,
well, Chainie, this is known as conversation. Something you might not understand, 
conversation with women goes beyond "Get me a beer" and "Where's the T.V. Guide?" and
"Shut up, wrestling is on". And if you are so sick of bitching, stop bitching here and
challenge said woman to get a better job and accept herself for who she is. And support 
her emotionally (just look it up, Chainie)

Also I'm not being PC, pseudo or otherwise. You are being a neanderthal, non-pseudo.


> BTW, man is not afraid of a woman who talks.  MAN is TIRED of woman who talks and does nothing
> else.

You're a shining example. Instead of talking to said females, you sit in your office, 
metaphorically bitching to hundreds of thousands of complete strangers.


> 
> |> > |> What is the right attitude, do you think?
> |> > 
> |> > Stop bitching and act up!
> |> 
> |> As for acting up, what would suggest? Having women stab abusive morons in their sleep?
> 
> That would be a start!  Maybe men should also strangle demanding-bitches in their sleep.

Or maybe if you would take 2 seconds to talk to a woman who approached you like she was a
human, without your misogynistic prejudices clogging your ears, you'd find out she
was as human as anyone else you speak to, deserving of the same attention as any man
you talk to, deserving the same respect as any man you talk to (though why do I have
trouble seeing you giving anyone you talk to any respect, Chainie?)

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