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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking
Organization: just me
Distribution: dc
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:05:10 GMT
Followup-To: dc.general

In article <BODARKY.92Jul23103039@twiz.cme.nist.gov> bodarky@cme.nist.gov (Scott Bodarky) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul21.152046.13503@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>> Faster speed limits = higher energy accidents = more fatalities per accident.
>
>And we all know that we have a right to a risk-free life; if something
>happens to you, someone must be at fault, someone that you can sue.
>And if there is no-one to sue, sue the government, since in the modern
>age it operates in loco parentis, to protect us from ourselves.

Care to connect these two assertions?  I do not recall mentioning any 
arguments based on a risk-free life or on sueing someone.  I do recall
basing an argument on added risk, which most people have had little trouble
with.

Don't put stupid words in my mouth...I do that quite well myself, as Nigel
can tell you :-).
>
>-Scott (bodarky@cme.nist.gov)| "The American public knows what it wants,
>			     |  and deserves to get it good and hard."
>  The National Institute     |  
> of Standards & Technology   |  	-H. L. Mencken

David Pipes
robear@digex.com
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Subject: Re: More Nike/Hercules Site info
Reply-To: reece@eco.twg.com (Reece R. Pollack)
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:55:06 GMT


In article <1992Jul21.010942.25057@access.digex.com>, og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg) writes:
|>I've been attending Anne Arundel Radio Club meetings in Davidsonville,
|>on Rt 214 (Central Avenue) between Bowie and Annapolis, and I just
|>learned that the clubhouse, located in the Davidsonville Family
|>Recreation Center (DFRC) was the radar and computer site for the missles
|>there. The AARC's 2mtr repeater antennas are mounted on this large
|>lighthouse-looking tower in the club's back yard, and it was apparently
|>the radome tower. The tile floor in the clubhouse has these foot wide
|>bare spots where the computer racks were, and the missile tunnels and
|>bunkers are over the hill at the AA Police Academy barracks. Neat!
|>
|>What was the final list of Nike/Hercules sites again? I know there was one
|>in Gaithersburg near the airpark, what were the others? - Gary

There was also a NIKE site off Md Rt28 just west of Muddy Branch Road.
The Consumer Products Safety Commision now occupies the site, which is
somehow fitting.

An interesting side-note... when excavating the site of the new RVFD Fire
Station 31, one of the bulldozers almost fell into a large underground
fallout shelter when it pushed the roof off. Apparently no one knew it
was there until it was dug up.

--
Reece R. Pollack
Senior Software Engineer
The Wollongong Group, Inc.
From: tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Signals?! We don't need no steeinking...
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
	<1992Jul21.180410.9264@socrates.umd.edu> <5465@cvl.umd.edu>
	<14605@umd5.umd.edu> <BODARKY.92Jul23102120@twiz.cme.nist.gov>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:06:46 GMT

In <BODARKY.92Jul23102120@twiz.cme.nist.gov> bodarky@cme.nist.gov
(Scott Bodarky) writes:

   As a Maryland motorist, I would like to complain about those same
   pedestrians.  [...]  Or the ones that walk in front of you, rather
   than behind you, when you're trying to make a right on red.

At nearly every intersection the pedestrian crossing area is legally
in front of where traffic is supposed to stop.  (I'd say "every" but
I'm sure someone trying hard enough could find an exception.)  I'm
rather peeved by motorists who basically ignore that and force me to
walk around their vehicle.

Newsgroups: dc.general
From: phaze@wam.umd.edu (Phaze)
Subject: C programmers, IBM programmer, and database people wanted.
Originator: phaze@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:44:03 GMT

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am working on my thesis and don't read this account everyday.


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               Arlington, VA  22201.
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From: charles@c3.com (Charles Green)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Used CD shops
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:01:43 GMT
Organization: C3, Inc., Herndon, VA

In article <711356420.F00003@blkcat.UUCP> Roy.Marshall@p801.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Roy Marshall) writes:
>
>  DG> I don't remember the name of the shop, but there is one on Maple
>  DG> Avenue in Vienna.  It is somewhere between the Chevy Chase Bank and
>  DG> the Sunoco station, on the same side of Maple, set back from the road,
>  DG> in a cluster of office townhouse condominiums. I've walked in there -
>  DG> they've got a big selection and decent pricing.
>  DG> --- MacWoof 1.5.1
>  DG>  * Origin: The Mac Union - home of baby.sea (1:109/70.394@fidonet)
>
>Actually they've moved catty-cornered across the street now. They are on a small
>strip mall on the cross street about 150 feet from Maple. The name is something
>original like the CD store. They are a sister store of the one on little river
>turnpike and both have similar selections and pricing.
>
>There is also a used record, tape, and CD store in Fairfax City called the
>Record and Tape Exchange. It's almost hidden in the corner of the small mall at
>the corner of Pickett Road and Main street (route 236). Same mall as
>Chuck-E-Cheese and Roy Rogers. Not the largest selection but most of these CDs
>are $7.50 or so versus $8.95/$9.95 for the ones at the other two stores
>mentioned. If you keep going west on main street and go past Fairfax Hardware,
>there will be one more used record/tape/CD store just before you get to routes
>50/29. Its on the side street just behind the Best at the corner of Main Street
>and Lee Highway. Again I can't recall the name but it has a fairly extensive
>collection of hard rock and imports, prices around $7.95 or so.

The Record Convergence.  They also have a store in McLean or Great Falls.

-Charles Green
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking
Organization: just me
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:20:46 GMT
Followup-To: dc.general

In article <TALE.92Jul20180301@ten.uu.net> tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:
>In <1992Jul20.231524.1576@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
>writes:
>
>>   As for driving smarter, not slower, I have never known a bad driver to 
>>   improve with the addition of speed...and rarely to admit that they are bad.
>
>One day I was driving down the New York State Thruway from Albany to
>New York City and falling asleep at the wheel at a speed of 55-60.  I
>sped up to 75 and the resulting need to use more of my senses made it
>easier to stay awake.  The numbers are vaguely recalled and probably
>wrong, but the basic events did happen.

This is largely my point.  You did a *smart* thing.  Most drivers who are
stupid at 55 at stupid at 75, and seem to *prefer* 75 :-).

As an aside, given that a very large percentage of motorcycle fatalities
occur in the first six months of ownership (50%?), I submit that experienced
motorcycle drivers are safer drivers than those who feel "protected" in a 
car.  People pull maneuvers in cars that would be crazy on a bike,  not just
because of the 2 wheel/4wheel bit, but because they believe that the car 
around them is some kind of safety shield.  Most people can't believe that they
personally could end up mixed with their windshield or engine parts...
"My car is just too big and heavy for that to be a danger, so I don't worry
about it".  Yeah, right.  Tell it to an ambulance crew member...

Faster speed limits = higher energy accidents = more fatalities per accident.

			David Pipes
robear@digex.com

>
>Dave Lawrence
>member, National Motorists Association          (1-800-882-2785)
>member, American Motorcyclists Association      (1-800-AMA-JOIN)
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:11:13 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <TALE.92Jul20180301@ten.uu.net>, tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:
> One day I was driving down the New York State Thruway from Albany to
> New York City and falling asleep at the wheel at a speed of 55-60.  I
> sped up to 75 and the resulting need to use more of my senses made it
> easier to stay awake.  The numbers are vaguely recalled and probably
> wrong, but the basic events did happen.
> 
> Dave Lawrence

Sounds like bull to me Dave.  When you are tired you are tired period!
Why didn't you need to use your senses at 55-60, and what if you had
fallen asleep at 75?  Why didn't you pull over and nap?

I deleted your membership numbers for the AMA etc... but I don't see
how you can claim membership in any responsible motoring assn. after
describing a stunt like that.

Terry

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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: tewing@hfsi.uucp (Tim Ewing HFSI-Benchmarks)
Subject: Turbo / Borland C Compilers for Sale
Reply-To: tewing@hfsi.UUCP (Tim Ewing HFSI-Benchmarks)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Distribution: dc
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:24:09 GMT

I have recently come onto a couple of compilers that I am no longer in need of
and thought that depending on the needs of the readers and the price some of
these might work out for someone else.  I have always been partial to Borland
compilers and therefore all three compilers are from Borland International.
Below is a list of the compilers that I have for sale.

	Turbo C Version 1.5		$25.00

	Turbo C Version 2.0		$55.00
	  (includes compiler, assembler and stand-alone debugger)

	Borland C++ 2.0			$95.00
	  (include C/C++ compiler for DOS and windows, code profiler,
	   stand-alone debugger and assembler)

All prices are negoitable, but the prices listed above include shipping to
any place in the US.  You may reach me at the following address or phone
number.


	Home:	Timothy Ewing		Work:	Timothy Ewing
		13735 Hillside Ave		7900 Westpark Dr
		Thurmont, MD 21788		McLean, VA 22102
		(301) 271-4268			(703) 827-3570

	email:	tewing@hfsi.com    or
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From: Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Books on Tape: Outlet Wanted
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:52:44 -0500

On 7/27/92 RICHARD said to All: 

  RD> From: <RICHARD@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: dc.general Organization:
  RD> The American University - University Computing Center
  RD> 
  RD> Does anyone know of a good store or warehouse outlet for books on
  RD> tape? I've been the Crown, but their selection is limited.
  RD> 
A store specializing in audio books supports WAMU.  They are sometimes mentioned
on-air.
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: dstalder@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Darren Stalder)
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking & on & on
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: dc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:20:37 GMT

On Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:53:20 GMT, Dave Pipes x4552 (dpipes@spica.srg)
spoke onto the masses and said:
>That is the straight sections.  Same with the highways here, which are
>also part of the national defense system (but that may have changed a 
>year or so ago).  Any straight section of highway could have a very high
>speed limit.  It is the turns I was referring to, since the roads were
>laid out starting in the 30's.  Unless they were widened and made less
>curvy, the turn speeds should de a limit on road speed, and 65-70 mph
>would have been fast back then.

Speaking of curves, I found it humourous that the MD DoT has admitted a
bit of defeat.  On the curvy section of 495 near 270 (or so), there is a
sign with the curvy road symbol and 55 MPH under it.  The speed limit is
55 right there.

>	David Pipes
>robear@digex.com
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From: asher@wam.umd.edu (Yes it's me....Asher)
Subject: '82 Toyota Tercel
Originator: asher@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:35:42 GMT

Hey folks!

	'82 Toyota Tercel for sale.
	Gray, AC, AM/FM cassette, 5 speed,
	good condition, engine in especially good condition.
	best offer secures...so make yours.


					........Asher.

(301)589-6957
asher@wam.umd.edu
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:05:14 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Jul20.231524.1576@srg.srg.af.mil>, dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
> 
> As for driving smarter, not slower, I have never known a bad driver to 
> improve with the addition of speed...and rarely to admit that they are bad.
> I guess I figure that 60-65 is indeed fast enough.  I don't want to encourage
> people to go faster, by raising the limit, since most people are dangerous
> enough as it is.
> 
> 			   David Pipes

Another aspect of speed that no-one seems to mention is automobile
quality.  Most people argue that the roads are designed for greater
speeds,  or that their skills are enough to handle faster driving, 
but I'm not at all sure that all vehicles can deal with these speed 
limits.

Sure the average new car today has far improved braking and handling
characteristics than before,  but there are a lot of older cars that
do not.  Cars with bad tires, bad brakes, bad suspension, poor
steering,  or are underpowered or overloaded should not be travelling
in excess of 65/65 IMO.  Yet I see these vehicles all the time. 
And even a recent model car can have bald tires or bad brakes

In MD, where cars are inspected less frequently, I could not imagine
anyone advocating higher speed limits unless some sort of regular
inspection system was implemented to ensure that the majority of
the fleet was capable of travelling at greater speeds safely.

Terry

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 | DoD# 541                           |  of death"       Richard Thompson    |
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: klr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler)
Subject: Help Build Mars on the Mall!
Organization: Hadron.com in exile
Distribution: dc
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:13:12 GMT


[Posted for The Planetary Society - klr]

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How many times in your life will you be asked to help build a world?

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		  Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
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From: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:18:30 GMT
Reply-To: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In dc.general, seidl@midway.dcrt.nih.gov (Edward Seidl) writes:

>at higher speeds is that they are travelling at one speed for a long time;
>no starting and stopping.  I'm no auto engineer, but common sense would seem
>to dictate that if at 65 mph my engine is doing 2000 rpm, and at 55 my engine
>is doing 1500 rpm (which are very nearly the values for my car), I'm going to
>burn less fuel at the lower speed.  My trusty hp 15c tells me that a 300 mile
>trip at 55 will take 5.45 hours, or 490,500 revolutions
>(5.45 h=327 min x 1500rpm = 490,500 r).  The same trip at 65 will take 4.62
>hours, or 554,000 revolutions.  Even though the trip is much shorter time wise,
Huh???  Gearing from the engine to the wheels is proportional, assuming
you're in the same gear.  (And I assume 55 and 65 MPH are both "high
gear".)  Hence, x engine revolutions = y wheel revolutions.  Same distance,
same revolutions.  Only what what you say could be right is if your
wheels slip about 13% at the higher speed!!  Don't think so!
From: humphrey@thong.nrl.navy.mil (Jeff Humphrey)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Signals?! We don't need no steeinking..(Was: Re: Speeding & Radar Locking ...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:37:48 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: Naval Research Labs (Washington DC)

In article <5465@cvl.umd.edu> brian@cvl.umd.edu (Brian Miller) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>delighted to know that people are taking such a personal interest
>in their driving skills.  Enter now!!

  My vote goes to a vehicle in Maryland last night.  It was about 2AM and
  I was going home after getting some gasoline.  The road I was on was near
  Waldorf and there were two lanes on either side of a double yellow line ...

  -------------------------------------------------------------------------

  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  (His Lanes) -  -

  =========================================================================
                             <-(idiot)
  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  (My Lanes)  -  -
        (me)->
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Why was he riding on my side of the double yellow line ?

  I just waved and smiled and kept driving on my merry way .... Sorry, no
  plate numbers available.

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From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Speeding & radar gun locking
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:28:02 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <MITCH.92Jul26174021@mira.clsi>, mitch@clsi (Mitchell N. Perilstein) writes:
> Cars then were *sturdy* and *heavy*, with a big engine compartment
> to hold that V8 and the chassis to support all of it. Hit something in
> your Escort at 70 and your front and rear bumpers might just meet with
> you in the middle...

In either car the end result will most likely be the same,  totaled car
and dead passengers.  There may be an argument to say that the Escort 
may have avoided the accident due to superior handling characteristics,
or reduced the impact speed significantly due to superior brakes.

Terry


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 | DoD# 541                           |  of death"       Richard Thompson    |