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From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: The U.N. votes to condemn Israeli Action
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:58:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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upi news:
"Using deportation as a punishment against people in an
occupied territory violates international conventions."

Will that be good enough to return the 418
deportees home to their families?
Of course not..

Why? Because we have to learn to take our
rights by ourselves.  And most importantly
learn from jews not to give a damn about
what the UN thinks.

Of course, these resolutions are different
in case of Iraq.

Why? Because it works for the advantage of
the jews and the west to "implement" them.

Food for thoughts:
Hamas appeared as an organization in 5 years.
If they expel 500 hundreds today, they
well have thousands tomorrow, and if they
expel thousand tomorrow, they will have
hundred thousands later, and so on.
One has to wonder then, when they have to
deal with hamas in jordan, lebanon, algeria,
egypt, etc... who will not forget what jews
are doing to hamas palestine.  Telling these
hamases that israel is helping muslims in
bosnia won't do it!

AlAraaf 167. "And when your Lord announced that He would certainly
send against them(jews) to the day of resurrection those who
would subject them to severe torment."

Even when Israel is at its zenith, it is still not very stable.

To these deportees who are in no man lands, who are with no
food, who are under rain and harsh cold weather, who say
Allah is our lod, rembeber these verses:

Al-i_Emran
{
146. And how many a prophet has fought with whom were many
worshippers of the Lord; so they did not become weak-hearted on
account of what befell them in Allah's way, nor did they weaken,
nor did they abase themselves; and Allah loves the patient.

147. And their saying was no other than that they said: Our Lord!
forgive us our faults and our extravagance in our affair and make
firm our feet and help us against the unbelieving people.

148. So Allah gave them the reward of this world and better
reward of the hereafter and Allah loves those who do good (to
others).
}

Al_i_Emaran
{
173. Those to whom the people said: Surely men have gathered
against you, therefore fear them, but this increased their faith,
and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent is
the Protector.
}
  
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From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Political cleansing in Egypt
Summary: What do you know about Egypt, Mr. Bdira?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:48:38 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <Bz9Bxw.Myr@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>
>Of course, you as western person who believes in a person being innocent until
>proven guilty do not belive this extends to Muslims or to Arabs, that is
>why you support a terrorist government who actually caused the problems
>in the first place, by suppressing the Jihadis before they commit any
>of their recent acts.

At least you aknowledge that there *is* a problem with those terrorists.

>Even now, it is engaging in a war to exterminate them (having a green
>light to shoot to kill at will), while the people
>who committed the terrorist acts were masked and could very well be 
>members of the Egyptian Mossad and with the torture that is so widespread
>in Egyptian detention centers, confessions are meaningless .. 

The Egyptian Mossad? Huh?

>
>The egyptian government have been ruling by decree and imposed emergency
>measures since 1981 and it is extending it every time it expires..
>You say that there is freedom of speech, mabe compared to Tunisia, but
>it would not compare favourably even with Cuba.
>

Didn't we have this discussion before?  Do I have to remind you again that 
Egyptian opposition newspapers (Elwafd, ElSha'ab, ElAhrar,...) write what
they want, and they spare the government no criticism (usually valid)?

>Of course you yourself know that there will be much more freedom
>under the strictest of Islamists than there is in Egypt right now,
>you just have to say what you said because it fits your agenda.
>

The "strictest of Islamists" are shooting innocent tourists.

>I do not know if you are ignorant about this, but don't you know already
>that the Egyptian government is envolved in drug trade just like
>Noriega was when he was under CIA payroll? Do you know of Drug scandal

You can claim anything you want.  But if you want to be taken seriously,
you have to back up your claims.

Tamer Abdelgawad
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:32:08 GMT

Assalamu `alaykum,

In article <1992Dec17.024436.28182@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

>My view is that eventually there should be a Palestinian state in the West
>Bank and Gaza, with guaranteed international access to Jerusalem (or at
>least the relevent parts of it).  I am sure Syria and Israel can work 
>something out for the Golan.

  I beg to differ. One cannot accept transgression. How about the Palestinians
who lost their land in Haifa?  Would you accept a two state solution for Egypt
if forty years pass to an Israeli occupation of Egypt? [Min alFurati ila alNilu
arduki ya Isra'eelu.]

>Is this unislamic?  Remember that there are Israelis who were born and raised
>in Israel, who have not participated in any acts of violence against anyone.

  That is why they should be allowed to live peacefully within the state
established over all of Palestine, after land obtained by confiscation is
returned to its owners.

>Is it Islamic to call for their extermination?  Are we going to hold people
>accountable for the actions of their ancestors?

  Of course not. We cannot fight oppression by becoming oppressors.


Assalamu `alaykum,

Mazen Mokhtar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.misc,soc.misc,alt.sex
From: spectre@nmt.edu (Spectre)
Subject: Re: Ear Rings
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:20:04 GMT

In article <ednclark.723946141@kraken> ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:
>nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
>
>>   I wonder about the cultural origin of wearing ear rings, as to how
>>this bad tradition propagated almost through all contemporay cultures
>>and what opinions people may have about it.
>
>Personally feel that sticking metal through any part of your body is
>pointless and (dare I say it for fear of flame) barbaric. Never understood
>it, it certainly isn't pretty (according to me) and seems to me to represent
>a health risk. Further I've seen some people wear such heavy earrings that
>their lobes have stretched (now that is really ugly) and some seem to think
>that putting one through their nose or tongue or underarms is tough or
>trendy, personally can't see the point to it. Surely the origins are
>slavery.

I know a kid with his right eyebrow pierced.  You think ears are ugly...

Now this thing about slavery...I don't buy it.  I'm not an authority
(nor even that well informed) about anthropology, but almost all of the
pictures I've seen of African, Australian, and even American tribes
show body piercing, at least ears.  Presumably these customs come from
before we (whites) got a hold of them, so I just don't see how this can
have anything to do with slavery.  I've never heard of these tribes
enslaving themselves, or each other.

>
>Jeff.

-- 
"Oh shit!  Who turned | spectre@nmt.edu  | "...and these are simply part-
my beer around?"      | Religion &       |  icles which move backwards in
Charlene at the Cap   | Foreign Language |   time." -- Freshman Chemistry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Political cleansing in Egypt
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:09:40 GMT

In article <28192@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>In article <Bz9u1F.7Mp@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.194838.4211@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:
>
>>>The "strictest of Islamists" are shooting innocent tourists.
>
>>I will believe that when they are convicted in a fair trial in
>>a democracy. Something that is not about to happen very soon
>
>Don't you believe their own (repeated) proclamations about this?
>Or were they forged by a conspiracy?
>
It is my experience that the Egyptian official press along with
the Tunisian one is one of the dirtiest and unprofessional in the
world, it would be convicted on thousands of crimes if it was in the 
U.S.

If somebody proclaimed a murder, then he should be tried.
This however is not the case, what is happening is that these guys
-as stupid as they are- chose to speak about tourism and their views
of it at this very moment whre the government is looking for propaganda
material, well they can blamed for encouraging the killings, but
assuming that any masked muderers are some of them is not honest.

I might disagree with them strongly, but I will not side with a government
that is committing more crimes in a day than all of them combined during 
their lifetimes.
>--
>Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
>Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
>Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
>The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
From: afm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Santa Claus...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:50:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1gqa96INNq2g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>
>AbdelJawad writes:
>
>>My view is that eventually there should be a Palestinian state in the West
>>Bank and Gaza, with guaranteed international access to Jerusalem (or at
>>least the relevent parts of it).  I am sure Syria and Israel can work
>>something out for the Golan.
>
>How about the Arab people of 48?  Shall we forget about them?
>Shall we forget about the Palestinian territories of Lud, Ybina, Osdood,
>Yaffa, Aka, Haifa, etc...
>
>>Is this unislamic?
>
>Of course it is not.  If Jews kicked palestinians out from their areas,
>Islam tells you to take them all again.  Do you want me to repeat the
>Quranic verse again?  I thought you agreed on it, or maybe I have a
>short memory :-)

The only problem is to be realistic about the situation, the Israelis are
in a powerful situation, while the Palestinians are under the Israeli blow.
Calling for the 48 territories while in a position of weakness is absurd. Even
in a position of power, it is absurd to claim the whole territories. If we want
peace in the region, we must recognize that Israel does exist and will stay 
there, and rather than thinking if ways to make the peace solution harder to 
achieve, we should be thinking of ways to make it easier. I come to that 
conclusion after suffering under the brutal Israeli occupation! This might
sound as a contradiction to what I have just stated, but we need peace in that
country because the suffering experienced by the Palestinians in truly 
unbearable!

>
>>Remember that there are Israelis who were born and raised
>>in Israel, who have not participated in any acts of violence against anyone.
>
>Oh yeah!  Who fought to kick the palestinians out of their lands?
>Who invaded Lebanon? Who is applying the Iron Fist policy on Gaza and West
>Bank? Who is killing Palestinian men, women, and children in Intifada era?
>FYI, every Israeli has to service in the IDF, and hence responsible for
>what they are doing.
>
>>Is it Islamic to call for their extermination?
>
>It is Isalmic to return what was taking from us.
>
>>Are we going to hold people accountable for the actions of their ancestors?
>
>People have to realize what the core of the problem is and make
>a decision as to what they have to do.
>
>-- 
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- afm
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: To Aziz Faris
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:50:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU writes:

> Is this guy for real?. He sounds like a stand up comedian. I thought the
> Qur'an teaches you to be a good human being not a barbaric one.

 Stand-up comedian, barabaric, religious hypocrate, blind, illetrate,
 lack historical knowledge, dont know what, racist nut, anti-semetic,...
 How about fundamintalist, radical, fanatic, mechanical minded, ... ???

 That is what they call "character assisnation."  It's ok I can handle
 it.

 Aziz is asking for some proofs that show that some verses in the Quran are
 true.  Well, you just made my day.  Read the following verses and compare
 them to your previous postings.  In particular, the ones to me and that
 talk about Islam:

 AlBaqarah 120. "And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the
 Christians until you follow their religion."

 AlBaqarah 109. "Many of the followers of the Book wish that they could
 turn you back into unbelievers after your faith, out of envy from
 themselves."

 Al-i-Imran 69. "A party of the followers of the Book desire that they
 should lead you astray, and they lead not astray but themselves, and
 they do not perceive."


*Thanks* to Aziz and others for making these verses so evident and clear
to all muslims!!

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From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Czechoslovakia
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec21.001101.18727
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
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issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
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The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
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includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
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Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

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Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: URGENT: Expulsion of 400 Palestinians
Keywords: Expulsion Israel Palestinians Geneva Convention
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:30:29 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

Cross-posted without permission. Of course by now the expulsion
has taken place, but you can still protest.

In article <1992Dec17.200922.22613@mont.cs.missouri.edu> wdh@netcom.com (Bill Hofmann) writes:
>URGENT ACTION REQUESTED.
>
>The Israeli government has been stopped by a temporary restraining order
>from expelling 400 Palestinians from the occupied West Bank and Gaza.
>This is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.  The restraining
>order, issued only hours ago, preceeds a hearing later Thursday 12/17, 
>on the "legality" of these mass expulsions without trial or the right of
>appeal.
>
>If you are an American, please call the State Department, 202-647-4000,
>and ask for the Operations Desk and express your opposition to this
>illegal collective punishment.  The U.S. can and should stop the expulsions.
>No matter who you are, please call or fax the Israeli government and
>express your opposition to the deportations.
>
>This call has been issued by Palestine Solidarity Committee and the
>American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee.
>-Bill Hofmann
>
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Political cleansing in Egypt
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:33:40 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Bz9u1F.7Mp@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.194838.4211@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

>>The "strictest of Islamists" are shooting innocent tourists.

>I will believe that when they are convicted in a fair trial in
>a democracy. Something that is not about to happen very soon

Don't you believe their own (repeated) proclamations about this?
Or were they forged by a conspiracy?

--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Subject: Re: Call State Dept, Protest Palestinian Expulsions
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 14:49:36 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park


Cross-posted without permission

In article <1992Dec19.074119.12740@mont.cs.missouri.edu> <pnmideast@igc.apc.org> writes:
>Subject: Protest Deportation of 400 Palestinians
>
>The PSC are requesting people to contact the US State Dept. to register their protest and urge them to stop this blatant violation of human rights.
>
>Please call (202) 647-4000.
>	ask for "operations"
>	Ask for Bruce Bertons.
>
>YOU CAN CALL NOW - the state dept. are "monitoring the situation" 24 HOURS
>
>(I hope I don't insult anybody by including this section.
>If you don't know what response to give to the state dept. - you could use
>the following guidelines.   That is you could say
> who you are (if you want to) 
> where you calling from
> and that you heard about the deportation, and don't believe that it's right
>and are enquiring about how US state dept. are going to react.
>
>The state dept. are noting all the calls that are made. 
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.greece
From: deniz@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Why Macedonia - Part I - 1), 2) and 3) - again
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:04:33 GMT
X-Posted-From: atlas.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec11.034506.10733@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:

>I completely agree. If we talk about Turkey today in our countries
>and we try remember the negative past is, to my opinion, because
>today's Turkey DOES have expansionist dreams. If you check how they

There is a Turkish proverb that says it is possible to drive a man crazy
by having 40 people tell him he is...

.......
>that they don't look to reastablish the Ottoman grip on us.
>I can say that if Turkey was, let's say Gremany after WW II,
>then today nobody would speak about Ottoman history and its
>consequences on us.

The Ottoman empire has been over for quite a while now.  For those of us
who are descendants of people who first left their homes in Bulgaria in
the Balkan War, returned to Anatolia to establish a second homeland and
had to deal with the Greek occupation, the constant animosity shown to
Turks is a little bit hard to bear.  The empire is gone, and in its last
centuries we lost countless lives, much land, many wars and endured much
suffering.  While it is true that our ancestors have fought and occupied
the Balkans for 5 centuries, over the last few of those centuries, the
shoe has been on the other foot.  We too have our horror stories but who
would benefit from the continued hatred that would occur if we brought
up our children on hate and fear?  

Sometimes I believe, when I am in Cesme and I look at the lights of cars
as they pass in the island of Chios, that Greeks will one day remember,
that we too, are human.  

regards,
Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
From: chemae@jane.uh.edu (Todorov, Stanislav S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: The magic word 2 [was Prosti mi ....]
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:44 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <92349.234028ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes...

and writes and writes ...

>    [deleted]

>Kakto dobre se predstavyash, mozhe da te izberem za Partien secretar na
> 
>soc.culture.bulgaria
>

Wait a minute... Someone please help....   I'm confused.

This is SOC.culture.bulgaria, right?
Not    COMM.culture.bulgaria...

or is he trying to post to alt.freud.angst?

zhivi-zdravi,
slavi
From: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: open society
Reply-To: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 13:48:38 GMT

I think the idea of emailing at Open Society in Bulgaria is a terrific idea.
I'm sure it's been on the board before and that I neglected to jot it down,
but could someone post their email address(s) for our use? Many thanks.
Ernie Scatton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: The wunder waffe of the communism
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 22:57:00 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

ANTISEMITISM - THE WONDER WAFFE OF THE COMMUNISM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria