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From: math1rb@jane.uh.edu (92F07486)
Subject: King's X "Legal Kill"....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:41:00 GMT

I was in the shower this morning listening to King's X _FHL_ and the
song "legal kill" came on. It struck me as an appropriate song perhaps to
put the upcoming election in perspective. On one hand there are Democrats
who are pro-choice for killing babies but against captial punishment (pro-
reform). Then there are the Republicans who are anti-abortion yet pro-
capital punishment. At first this seemed hypocritical, but further inspection
revealed that they are in accord (sort of)...
 But then at the end of the song "Hark the ..." is piped in and brings up
visions of Christmas and the season of giving, celebration, and re-birth...
   adios,
     dave
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From: md@theory.esm.rochester.edu (Mike DeMurga)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Real monikers of the (swirling) Eddies please (was Re: <None>)
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:43:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

In article <1992Oct7.141345.27964@news.eng.convex.com> moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering) writes:
>>
>>somebody said that Gene Eugene was Prickly Disco of the Swirling Eddies.  I
>>sorta expect that Terry Taylor==Camarillio Eddy.  So who are the rest of da
>>Eddies?  Does anybody have a roster?
>>
>>sanks...
>>
>>clueless chuck
>>(note e-mail address change)
>>PearsoDC@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu
>
>I assume Rob Watson is one of them ;-)
>
>Tom (moeller@convex.com)
>p.s. in case you didn't notice, the reason for this posting was to put a subject
I'm not really "in the know" when it comes to this stuff..but as a MAJOR
Daniel Amos fan,  I'd guess Jerry Chamberlain, Greg Flesch, Tim Chandler,
and Dave Raven.  

Anyone know of any upcoming releases from either da, swirlingediies, etc.?

--Mike
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Moderation (was Re: Jonathan David Brown convicted)
X-OLD-Message-ID: <1992Oct13.131238.24412@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.050438.4970@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons) writes:
>>No, soc.religion.christian is too oppressively moderated... we really need

  If the group is too large for you to read in a day, I suggest that
  using a threaded news reader is a better tool than having a moderating.


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From: u925816@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Rez Twenty CD (XX)
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:20:57 GMT


Okay!!!!!!!!!!!! I've got the double album. It's BRILLIANT. What a tight little 
band they are (Man I really do hope they come to Oz for a tour again soon! I
missed the last!) And nowI have a question,  IS THERE GOING TO BE A VIDEO????? 
I heard a rumour that there will be, but I want to know for sure!!


 The DOK

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From: bhm@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Bruce McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Loud sounds of D &t G (was Re: Is Huff Related to Huff? (was Re: Giant))
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:06:50 GMT
Reply-To: bhm@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Bruce McIntosh)
Organization: U of Florida. Computer Science Dept.


-- 
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In article <1992Oct10.124959.7473@iscsvax.uni.edu>, gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu (Neal Gray) writes:
|> _Distant_Journey_, a real sizzler/ rocker.  I saw their concert, and it was one
|> of my all time favorites.  It ranks right up with early Whitecross/Steve
|> Taylor, and the Heart Attack Tour (White Heart and Broken Heart).  David and
|> the Giants are better than most people realize.
|> 
|>                         Neal Gray(gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu)

And also a whole lot louder than necessary.  Speaking as a sound type, and a hard-of-hearing one at that (ponder the irony of a half-deaf sound man!), D&tG
were WAY  too loud when they were last here (Gainesville, FL).  The chief problem
appears to have been that they had an arena-scale sound system jammed into First
Assembly's and Living Faith's smallish buildings, and a belief that every possible
bit of volume should be produced.  I had a raging headache after listening to 
them, which for me and several others I've talked to somewhat overshadowed the
otherwise fine performance.

(* asbestos alert *)
WHY (<--- shouting to be heard over PA :-) ) do most sound guys insist on bending
the needles on the vU meters just because it's a rock concert?  One, prolonged 
exposure to sound of that level does do some damage to concertgoers' hearing, and
two, most PA gear is not what one would term high-fidelity equipment to begin
with; pushing it to the limit just muddies and grunges up the sound, particularly
in the upper mids and treble.  When I do sound, I run the levels to where my
wrecked hearing can just clearly discern the music above typical conversations, and have been complimented on the good sound I supply (hope that doesn't sound
egotistical :-), my point is that louder is not necessarily better).  So, fellow
slider-jockeys, let's pull back the mains a touch next time, ok?  Your audience
(and their ear doctors 20 years from now) will thank you! :-)
(* end asbestos alert *)
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Stryper
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:14:46 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Oct12.184343.641@ualr.edu> jmdeyoung@acs.harding.edu writes:
>I have wondered about this for along time and was reminded about the other
>day when my wife and I were talking about X-tian music.  The question I have
>concerns a rumor I heard that Stryper once toured with Motley Crue and they 
>called the tour the "Heaven and Hell Connection".  I realize this may be a
>real big joke but I am curious.  If you have any responses I would love to
>hear them.  Thanx.
>
>In His Service,
>Mark

Actually, the tour never took place though it was seriously planned in
1986... they were going to call it the "Heaven and Hell" tour in light of
the extreme differences in direction between the 2 bands in 1986...

BTW, did you know that Motley Crue first penned the term "White Metal" to
Stryper and then called themselves "Black Metal"? 

Phil

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From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Annie of Acts
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:42:12 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

It could hardly been said that Annie Herring is in retirement.  She has
released two solo albums since the 2nd Chapter of Acts stopped touring.
Whether she _should_ have retired is a question that is still open to 
debate.  

But when one sees the press releases from Live Oak records, and the
publicity, it's almost like they are trying to convey the idea that
2nd Chapter of Acts is still together.  Publishing a 20th anniversary
album for a band that hasn't been together for the last three years 
seems a bit disingenuous to me. 

Steve Timm
G
From: azamora@hexagon.cs.indiana.edu (Tony Zamora)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Another political song
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:23:45 GMT
Reply-To: azamora@cs.indiana.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

In article <1bhhkhINN8t5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:
> Here's an interesting election year song
> (though just reading the words misses 
>  much of the impact.  Gene Eugene sings
>  lead vocals over an intricate, rowdy
>  fiddle tune.):  
>  
>  Note:  This song was written in 1991, before it
>  was known who the actual candidates would be.
>  The lyrics are not printed, so I hope I got
>  them right.  The fourth name mentioned in the
>  last part of the song sounds like "Manny" to me, 
>  although I can't figure out to whom it is 
>  referring.  Does anybody else have an idea 
>  of what the name is or who it is?  All of the
>  other names should be obvious.
[lyrics deleted]
> For  Millie and Danny, and Saddam and Manny(?),
> And Babs and Ronnie, and Clyde and Bonnie,
> And Clarence and Ollie and the Beav' and Wally,
> And Maggie and Gorby and the new world ordy and ...
> (degenerates into yodeling and great fiddling) 

"Manny" is probably Manuel Noriega.

Tony
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 20:51:29 -0400 
From: Steven Timm <st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mark Heard (reliable info, please)

Those who want to sample one of the late works that Mark Heard did 
as a producer should check out the album of Tom Prasada-Rao, "Incoming"
which was produced by Mark Heard.  Don't suppose it will give any royalties
to his estate, though.

Steve Timm
From: pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: <None>
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:26:48 -0500
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

sorry...i don't know if i'll ever get a subject line on this thing...

somebody said that Gene Eugene was Prickly Disco of the Swirling Eddies.  I
sorta expect that Terry Taylor==Camarillio Eddy.  So who are the rest of da
Eddies?  Does anybody have a roster?

sanks...

clueless chuck
(note e-mail address change)
PearsoDC@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu
From: watersds@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darryl S Waters)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: No Laughing Matter
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:55:24 GMT
Reply-To: watersds@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darryl S Waters)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-20.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Does anyone out there know of any bands like No Laughing Matter??  I have  
there "Monster" tape and love it but I have never heard of anything else  
of theirs before (nor anyone else that sounded like them).

Thanks,
Darryl "I enjoy spending many hours a day staring blankly at a computer  
screen" Waters
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From: chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin)
Subject: Re: Christmas Albums (was Re: Home For Christmas)
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:48:57 GMT

Young Indy (EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
:    I know exactly what you mean. I purchased Manheim Steamroller's A Fresh Aire
:  Christmas two years ago and couldn't believe what a "fresh" new sound but yet
: still tracable to tradition that it brought to the Christmas music market. I
: have not yet bought the other one that is out, but I am tempted to do so right
: now just to see if it is as good as the other.

Try your local public library.  My neighborhood branch of the local
public library has both on CD.

IMHO, the second one is not as good as the first.  But then, I almost
*always* like the first album better than any subsequent ones (e.g.
First Call's _Evening In December_ pair).

-- 
Roger Chaplin / chaplin@keinstr.uucp / CI$: 76307,3506
"For the lines are long and the fighting is strong and they're breakin'
down the distance between right and wrong."
                        - Bob Dylan, "Ring Them Bells"
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From: jbduffi@eng.clemson.edu (john duffie)
Subject: Re: Music about heaven
Reply-To: jbduffi@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:13:56 GMT

In article 5017@eua.ericsson.se, euahbg@eua.ericsson.se (Hans Bengtsson) writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I'm having a radio program in a couple of weeks and this
>program will be about HEAVEN...

Try "I Can't Wait To Get To Heaven" by Keith Green. 
    My version came from his Ministry Years (greatest hits CD).  He sang it in concert
and had a humorous lead in.   He starts by  talking about how beautiful the Earth is, (leaves, trees, and etc.) and then he says, " if the Earth took God 6 days to build and
He has spent over 2000 years working on Heaven, then we are living in a garbage can
compared to what's up there."
							John Duffie
							Psalm 121:1-2
From: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jonathan David Brown convicted
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
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In article <drice.718497908@ponder> drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice) writes:
>Just read this today.  I figured you all would want to know (if you
>don't already).
>----------------------------
>
>Taken from Dallas/Fort Worth Heritage newspaper...
>
>NASHVILLE, Tenn. (EP) -- Long-time Christian music producer Jonathan
>David Brown was convicted Aug. 20 of helping two men avoid prosecution
>for a 1990 drive-by shooting of a synagogue, and of two counts of
>perjury to a federal grand jury.  CCM Update reported that Brown was
>convicted of helping Leonard William Armstrong and Damien Patton avoid
>prosecution for a drive-by shooting to which Armstrong and Patton
>later pleaded guilty.  Prosecutors said Brown helped paint a car used
>in the shooting from white to black, provided a new license plate and
>a disguise, and sent money to Patton, who was fleeing to California.
>Evidence confiscated from Brown's home included signed membership
>cards for the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations, and a picture of Brown
>saluting a Nazi flag.  Brown has produced albums for Twila Paris,
>Petra, the Gaither Trio, and Bob Bennett, and recently released an
>album of inspirational music.

Not to start yet another controversy, but a few thoughts:

If this were all that I had heard on this subject, I would be skeptical
as to his guilt.  (anybody could've planted those things in his home
and the picture could've been doctored, too:  by the KKK, Aryan Nation,
and, yes, even the US government doesn't have a perfect track record in
these kinds of circles.)

However, 3 other things in the 10/92 CCM article on this lead me to believe
otherwise:

"Brown is a follower of the Christian Identity faith which claims that the
 white race, not the Jews, are the direct decendants of Abraham, Isaac,
 and Jacob."

"During cross-examination, Brown calleld the Jewish holocaust of World
 War II--the murder of six million Jews at the hands of the Nazis--a lie."

"As a result of a court petition from his ex-wife, Brown was ordered by a
 Davidson County Probate Judge earlier this year to refrain from mentioning
 his white supremacy view to his two young sons, ages 14 and nine."

Pretty sad,
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
              I smear the blame on you, "Must be genetic"
              You smear the blame on me, like cheap cosmetics,
              We smear the blame, until we look pathetic.
            Our Restless Hearts / Mark Heard / Dry Bones Dance
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:19:42 GMT
Subject: PC alternative to "Faithful Men"??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

Well, I just got back from the weekly service planning meeting w/ the pastor,
and I need some help. In short:

Anybody know of a congregation-singable song to replace T. Paris' "Faithful
Men"? 

You see, I've had a bit of a bad experience w/ that particular song because of
the rather gender-specific "for the Lord is calling/ faithful *men*".

I know, I know, Twila probably really means "mankind" and all that. But when 
you've used that song against your better judgement ...and lo and behold it's 
*that* weekend that an old friend visits you who has been burned by a childhood
in a *very* male-headship-women-should-just-shut-up-and-have-babies church
culture ...and she looks at you with tears in her eves and tells you she doesn't
want her daughter to grow up with the same spiritual self-image she grew up
with, ...well, all of those very sensible linguistic arguments don't amount to
horse-puckey.

And the pastor wants to use it again Sunday. I said 'fine, but don't ask me to
participate in the worship team leading it'. 

The problem is, I find the tone of a *joyful, celebrative* call to *service*
in Twila's song to be rather unique. Too many such songs are either tweak-your-
emotions hand-wringers or pseudo-militant heroic affairs to "stir your soul".
I want an alternative that still captures that "joyful call".

Now my point is not to start a "sexism-in-CCM/headship-principle/are-we-PC/
should-we-be flamefest. Start one if you must, but count me out....;-). Just
post or maybe better, email me some song suggestions...

Bob (between Scylla [rock] and Charybdis [hard place]) Miller
rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: More "Election Year"
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:43:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.191559.10901@nosc.mil>, clarkk@nosc.mil (Kevin D. Clark) writes:

[a few lines deleted]

|>  ...reminded me of a Steve Camp song
|>  from one of his albums several years ago.  The album was called "Justice", but
|>  the name of the song escapes me.  Part of the song goes like this (...this is
|>  from memory, so please excuse any misquotes...):
|> 
|>        "Politicians all make speeches and the newsmen all take notes.
|>          I wonder who would lead us if none of us would vote?...."
|> 
|>  Just a seasonal thought (...bet it wouldn't be Bill, George, Ross or Andre.)

    The song is called "Strong Love, Strange Peace" and was written by Larry
Norman - at least he's the first artist I know recorded it.

           "...The politicians all make speaches and the newsmen all take notes.
            They exaggerate the issues as they shove it down our throats.
            Well, I wonder who would lead us if none of us would vote.
            They're all so trapped.
            They need release.
            They need your strong love and strange peace."

  Ain't that the truth. I vote for JESUS. Anyone else?

-- Tim
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Michael Card's guitar playing
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:27:18 GMT

I am quite a Michael Card fan - but I have to say that Simeon's Song gives
me chills just THINKING about it - what a privelege to hold Jesus in their
arms and to realize what they had there!
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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: >>>>>> 77's <<<<<<
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I talked to Aaron Smith a couple of weeks ago.
He said not only is the album not named "Pray Naked"
anymore, it might not even include the SONG "Pray Naked."

I guess i understand, and I'm not surprised, but it
would be easy to yell "censorship."    

The confusing thing at Cornerstone was that when the 77's
played the song, Mike Roe didn't bother to say anything about
the song (a Brand New Song to plug!) and what it meant .
I assumed he was talking about baring your soul before God
or something like that.

I dunno, maybe he really meant "Take off all your close and
get down on your knees."

The thing I understand is that Word is concerned about not 
upsetting mainstream Christian record buyers.  But then,
most of those wouldn't touch 77's with a ten foot pole
anyhow.

Jeff
Farewell To Juliet
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: Music about heaven
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:13:05 GMT

In article <13OCT199214583621@rosie.uh.edu> math1rb@rosie.uh.edu
(David Meyers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.181421.29155@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, hill@spot.Colorado.EDU
(Michael Hill) writes...
>>Try "Dream In My Life" by King's X (my favorite song - finger me
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Actually it's about TY's wife, maybe you meant "Not Just for the Dead"??
>Which by the way gets my vote!!!

Oh yeah?  They give a lot of disengenuous replies whenever they're asked
what their songs are about.  But I would suggest listening to the song,
several times if necessary... a deeper meaning should become evident.
(Again, like I said, finger me and capture the lyrics.  Not that they're
really needed for that song; the singing is clear enough.)

In Him,

			--Michael

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