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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 08:33:14 MST
From: <ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject:    Information wanted about Zhanna Aguzarova

Several years ago there was a very popular Russian rock singer named
Zhanna Aguzarova; she was lead singer with the band "Bravo". A year or so
ago she married an American and moved to the USA.  Does anyone know if
she has resumed her singing career in America?  Does she have any CDs
released in America?

B.L.
From: lion@netcom.com (carl loeber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The future of RUSSIA: 4 alternatives (from the Finnish point of view)
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:31:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Off the subject, but what is the situation with westward migration into 
Finland?  Are many trying to move there, and what is the feeling in the 
Finnish public?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Russian Speakers in Estonia: The Linguistic Approach.
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:23:12 GMT

In article <sorokin.28@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at>, sorokin@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at (Zhenja) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.090407.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:


> Russian patriots will remember 
> Yuriev (Derpt, Tartu), 

Dorpat.

> german patriots will point out that Riga was latvian 
> maybe less than 10% of its history (from these ten 6% is soviet time), and 
> so on. You know, Volkswanderung (I definitely do not know english 
> equivalent, sorry) 


It's Voelkerwanderung in German. The epoch of great migrations in English.


> hadn't finished ten ages ago. It is still on the way... 
> My idea is, that there have to be a reasonable time, when you should stop 
> going back to history, because it'll bring you NOTHING, but conflict.

Exactly. One should support only states recognized by The United Nations
and it's predecessor, the League of Nations.

If the occupation of the Baltic states ends, we could conclude that
the WW II would be definitely over.


 
with best regards
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky)
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:34:36 GMT

muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <kosinov.724974753@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>>  No, you are absolutely not correct. The examples I wanted to hear were of
>>people getting imprisoned for teaching Russian language to children, for orga-
>>nizing seminars on Russian culture and literature, for speaking openly and
>>proudly of their Russian identity.

>OK, after substituting as proposed Russian by Jewish it looks like activities
>of Birobigan State University, or whatever it was, plus maybe some of Jewish
>Theater of JAO (this one exist(ed)) --- official and thus the only way to
>exhibit Jewish (Russian/Ukrainian/etc.) national identity. Honorable and well
>paid business in Brezhnev/Khruschev/Stalin ... times. If you are speaking on
>something not that official, try imagine something like siminar on, say Nabokov
>or better Brodsky (I know, I know) or Il'in. Imagined? Got A for imaging.
>Now, what you will here there? Praise for great Russian? Well, that is 
>beyond imagination.

>Yury M.

  1) I would be very greatful, indeed, if you enlightened me on the nature
of the Birobigan State University (or whatever it was). I have never heard of
any such entity.
  2) A few YIDDISH theater troups did exist (based around the peripheral actors
of GosET, which survived the slaughter). The problem is that the real Jewish
language is HEBREW, and people were impreasoned for teaching it (because unlike
German, Chinese, or any other language on this planet, Hebrew is the language of
the enimies of humanity). 
  3) I am well aware of the very long list of Russian writers and poets (inclu-
ding, certainly, Brodsky), whose work had been supressed. I never denied that
fact. The issue that I took was with the claim that Russian national identity
(and, by extention, Russian culture) were suppressed MORE relative to those of
other nationalities. My point 2) alone is enough, I think, to render this claim
baseless.
							Greg.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: gmfich@cs.washington.edu (Greg Fichtenholtz)
Subject: Howdy
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 08:39:45 GMT

                                              
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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:21:45 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1992Dec22.224324.22051@erg.sri.com>, vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
> In article <102902@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>>
> 
>> S.B.
>> 
>> P.S. As we see again, any discussion inevitably shrinks to a 
>>      so called "Jewish question".
> 
> Exactly my puzzlement. Given the enormous burden and tragedy that has
> befallen the peoples of Russia, why does it seem that almost every
> publication and speech by Russian ultra-Nationalists inevitably shrinks to
> the so-called "Jewish question"?

  In general this is not true.
Could you post here any specific example
(not referring to the rumours) of such a speech ?
Though one should note that any nationalist is
xenophob _by definition_. Therefore since in
proper Russia the only noticable "aliens"
are Jews, it leaves a little choice for some folks :-).
Baltic nationalists e.g. have much more to choose from :-(.

> Why soes every nationalist refuses to take
> responsibility for his own action and blames Jews, Americans and
> free-masons fo revery problem in his own country?

For explanation see above.

Serega

> If we resolve this
> question, maybe we will make Jews themselves less sensitive to
> ultra-nationalists, be they Russian, German, or Polish.
> 
> Vlad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mashina <novost@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: BUYING RUBLES, Alaska
Originator: novost@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 15:47:58 GMT

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

> 
> They buy and sell rubles or know some who do.. Rubles at last I heard were
> going for on a normal exchange for good of about 40 to 1. But you can by some
> fro a few dollers..
> 

As of Christmas eve the exchange rate was approximatley 500 to 1.

                          Jeff
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas everyone!
Date: 27 Dec 92 12:15:42 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <105675@bu.edu>, simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
> When did Greece abandoned Julian Calendar, btw. Russian did it 
> only in 1918

This was one of the communists' stupidities/crimes.
Julian calendar is better than Papist Grigorian
because it's tied to natural circles (Lunar, etc).

> 
> Simon Streltsov,
> Boston University
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: lion@netcom.com (carl loeber)
Subject: addresses of newspapers for classified in CIS ?  Best Papers?
Keywords: ///
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:50:28 GMT

Can anyone tell me the best newspapers or other periodicals
to list for meeting (corresponding) with Russian or CIS women?

Carl 
San Jose
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Soviet space disaster? Bull\*\*\*t!
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:31:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <2JAN199307174468@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

>I don't recall seeing anything about this. I would expect 
>that it would have been given major coverage in the West
>and would have come to my attention. Also, I can't recall
>a story to this effect any time in the past thirty years,
>though my memory might be hazy.
>
>Can anybody shed light on whether this event did happen?

I can. The abovementioned event never happened. We lost four
cosmonauts: Dobrovolskiy, Volkov and Patsayev (decompression
during landing sequence) and Komarov (parachute system failuyre).
Also some guys got themselves killed during the training process,
as usual. BTW, Soviet newsparers now are even _less_ reliable than
the foulest British or American tabloids.

-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: addresses of newspapers for classified in CIS ?  Best Papers?
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:23:27 GMT

  In article <1992Dec30.045028.29347@netcom.com>,
  lion@netcom.com (carl loeber) writes:

>Can anyone tell me the best newspapers or other periodicals
>to list for meeting (corresponding) with Russian or CIS women?
>
>Carl 
>San Jose
>
>

  What's the problema? Can't find one in North America or the western world? 


                                                                  adam
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: HELP Did anydoby catch "Russifying program for PCs Dec 30th?
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 12:54:31 GMT

Dear Fellow-netters,

Dec 30th, I posted, that
a Russifying program for
PCs is available in
relcom.source

(It was packaged -arj
and it consisted of
6 or 7 parts)

Now I do not have it
myself!

Could any friendly soul,
who caught it,
post it,
please?

Yours,

Olli

opaloneva@abo.fi
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:57:40 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>>muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>>> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:

>>>  So now I return to my question which Mr. Mukharsky mocked: Can anyone name me
>>>any book -- written in Russian, Kalmyk, Native Papuan, or anything else -- which
>>>dealt with a life of a Soviet 

>>Landau, by Anna Livanova. 
>>V Kruge Pervom, by Solzhenitsyn.
>>....
>>These what came to mind, I usually do not care about nationality of characters
>>that much, but just open some book in Russian and read it. You'll find couple
>>of Jews there, in 50% of them. So what? 
>>Yury M.

> I rest my case. The best you can come up with is a documentary on the life
>of Russia's greatest contemporary physicist, who happens to be jewish (how much
>of the jewish life is covered in that book?), and the book by Solzhenitsyn, where
>the identity of murderers with Jewish background is described in detail, unlike
>that of the ones with Russian background.
> I'm sorry, but this is pathetic. I'm glad I'm leaving now, so this discussion is
>dead.
>							     Greg.

I am sorry, Greg, but the way you participate in this discussion is
highly uncorrect. Pathetic, too. As N. N. Konstantinov said about
one Jew,, "khodyachii raznoschik antisemitisma".
First, you state that there were no Jews in Soviet
literature; as Yury came up with examples, you say that 
in the biography of the physicist there is no Jewish life
and that in "V Kruge Pervom" Solzh displays the identity
of Jewish murderers and not Jewish life too. That's 
ridiculous. Apparently you confuse "V Kruge Pervom"
and "Arch. Gulag". I basically agree with this about
Gulag and more recent Solzh stuff, but there are prominent
Jews in "V kruge" and they are not murderers. Rubin,
one of them.

About that there were no Jewish life in Landau biography.
This is strange as he was a Jew and his life was Jewish,
so all this book is about Jewish life. Not "mestechkovaya"
life, but Jewish nevertheless. If you consider only
"mestechkovye" Jews as Jews (is there a translation, btw?)
than there were not many of such books because Jews
after revolution assimilated (and that's very good, btw)
and ones who have not assimilated did not write books,
as "mestechkovaya" life was incompatible with writing.

Naturally, there were no Jews so stupid to live in Moscow
or Novosibirsk and each year come up with faked stories 
of village life as most of Russian "derevenshchik" writers, 
but I don't see anything wrong with that.

Misha.
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas everyone!
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:58:46 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

When did Greece abandoned Julian Calendar, btw. Russian did it 
only in 1918

Simon Streltsov,
Boston University

"If you go on the road and come to a fork -
Take it!"
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Kazaks?  Weren't they killing turks? Re:    . .
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:35:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan3.064740.5595@netcom.com>, oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>In article <AAtGuEh8i7@leonid.stavropol.su> andrey@leonid.stavropol.su writes:
>>             uWAVAEMYE GOSPODA!
>
>I wander what it will mean for the millions of innocent Tatars, Turks and
>various other names for whatever it is Mutlu is defending?


Yeah, my ancestors killed a lot. But from the present state of affairs
I assume that much more killing is to be done. The Net must be purged!
No mutloids must survive!

-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11766 talk.politics.soviet:10183 soc.culture.europe:10972
From: adam@zooid.guild.org (Adam Lawrence Salter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: BUYING RUBLES
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:41:45 GMT
	<15205.2b371368@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: The Zoo of Ids


  In article <15205.2b371368@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
  viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>In article <1h6b56INNnni@agate.berkeley.edu>, robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>> I am collecting foreign currencies....if interested, please contact me
>> by e-mail.                            
>> 
>
> And me is collecting local one as well...if interested, please contact me
>by e-mail.                            
>
>Serega


  Well, I'll sell you a mint condition $100 bill for $1000. This may seem
expensive but I'm sure you know what collectors will pay for items as rare as
this! ;->

                                                        adam

P.S. I cannot and do not garauntee that these bills will appreciate in value.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: gdr@acs.bu.edu (Dmitry Goldenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:56:57 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gdr@acs.bu.edu


In article <14917@cis.rand.org>, stephan@cis.rand.org (Stephan DeSpiegeleire) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.201024.584@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> svlissia@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
|> >[...] the last release of BG [...] "The history of Aquarium, vol.  III ".

I've listened to 9 songs from this album. However, I don't know if these 9
are all there is on the record (I don't think so). Can anyone tell me?
Here's the list of the songs I've heard:

15 Naked Women (Alas)
Among the Worlds
The Hunt for Unicorns
God Save Polarniki
Don't Block the Way of High Feelings
Alternative
Grey Stones on Green Grass
When the Pain Will Go Away
The Hard Working Bee

The last two just blew me away. 'The Bee' is an old one, but what about 'The 
Pain'? Does any of you know?

|> but I never saw that one on the  shelves  either.  And  did  anybody  ever
|> submit  any Russian lyrics to any Newsgroup?  How about other groups (like
|> DDT or so)?

Here's a translation of the DDT's hit 'The Church' (it's easier to translate
then to transliterate; transliteration is so annoying!):

                 The Church

	I'm a church with no crosses
	Flying with my arms spread out
	Along the sleepy banks
	Of petrified anguish

	I'm a faith with no cause
	I'm a truth with no origin
	You can hear my soul scream
	There, amongst the aspens

	I'm a bird with no sky
	I'm a stone echo
	A sad sign
	Of semi-forgotten places

	The midnight moon
	Is bandaging my wounds
	Grey fogs
	Are bathing my domes

	I'm a church with no crosses
	Ever flowing into the ground
	Listening to the long-gone words
	And the winds singing

	I'm a memory with no goodness
	I'm a knowledge with no aspiration
	A cold star
	Of the missing generations

	It's dark there in my soul
	Tattoos of infidelity
	Shattered glass
	Tormented walls

	And tomorrow I'll be gone
	A rain of calm will fall
	I'll vanish from your memory
	Having exploded over the river...
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.023438.9009@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
>
>No one seems to care, but it's obviously necessary to compose (subject)
>However, since questions are posted here in considerably less amount
> than answers ,the following are my suggestions for 
> 
> ================Frequently Answered Questions======================

A really nice sense of humor, I indeed enjoyed! Thanks!

>8. Where can I find uncensored edition of "Vojna i mir"(donno' how to
>   translate) by L.N.Tolstoy, with the chapter about poruchik Rjevskij ?
>     I'd like to know the answer myself. 

A funny thing is that not only this imaginary person got stuck in translation,
as a matter of fact, all English translations I ever seen are 
``War and Peace'', while Leo Tolstoy used MIP (and not M I/I P) in the
original; just another illustration to my recent posting on Soviet vs.
Russian language.

(for non-Russian speakers: in Russian there were two words with the
same pronunciation ``meer'', but spelled differently. One means ``Peace'',
and another ``World'', but also ``svet'' as opposite to ``Church''. Leo
Tolstoy used the second word; in Soviet language, the spelling is the same.
So, numerous translation to English should be marked ``Translated from
Soviet'').
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas everyone!
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:03:15 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <105638@bu.edu>, simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
>  viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu   rightly writes:
>>
>>This is the worst kind of abuse I ever heard on
>>this list !!!  To congratulate this honorable
>>audience with Papist "Christmas" especially
>>when Ms. Paloneva is well aware that the bulk
>>of this forum are either Jews or Orthodox Christians
>>is unbearable. 
> Agreed. 
> 
>>We all, as one, should rebuff the
>>encroachments of pagans on our sacred feelings !
>>
>> mY SME-E-LO W BOJ POJDEM..
> 
> Tol'ko ne vmecte. OK,Serega?
> 
> And isn't the difference between you is only in the fact,
> that it took Russians longer to get their hands on the new calendar,
> than to steal nuclear weapons ?!

I again missing something in all subtle intricacies of your
intriguing writings. Are you drunk already ? It's only 3pm EST.
Aj-ia-iaj, Senya :-)

Serega
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11546 talk.politics.soviet:9982 soc.culture.europe:10789
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Five Swiss languages  Was: Russian Speakers in Estonia
Date: 25 Dec 92 06:14:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec24.221452.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <PFEIFFER.92Dec22100213@cix.cict.fr>, pfeiffer@cict.fr (Daniel Pfeiffer) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.090407.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>>> And, do not forget, there are 3 languages in Switzerland, and 
>>> at least two of them were from previous oppressors (German and French).

Are you saying that the Italians were not opprssors? Humf.. Most who know some
swiss history know that it was the German Cantons who mostly started the Swiss
Nation.. 

> 
>> Four, if you add Rheto-Rhumainian (Reto-Romania). But it's judicial status
>> might be different.
> 
> This language is strongly protected, but slowly losing ground, because
> there are no major towns or industry in its area.  But there are
> actually five languages, if you count Franco-Provencal (Romand).  This
> language, close to Occitanian of southern France, which is also spoken
> in southern Burgundy, southern half of Franche-Comte, most of
> Rhone-Alpes including Savoy and the Italian Valle-d'Aosta was branded
> by Paris as a ``Patois'', a miserable dialect of French (which is
> linguistically wrong), a blemish to get rid of!  And the Romand cantons
> fell for this and taught pure Paris French in their schools.
> 
> Nowadays this language, which was the second by population in
> Switzerland, is close to death, although some theatre and such
> activity persists.
> 
>> Besides, German was never a language of "oppressors" in Switzerland.
>> In Bern German was spoken from the very beginning. The same goes to French
>> in cantons like Valais/Wallis.
> 
> Switzerland was not always the peaceful country it is since 1848, and
> its agressions and extensions against neighbours often benefitted the
> German (or Alemanic) speakers.
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: 13900
Date: 27 Dec 92 14:09:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec27.060958.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Merry Russian Orthodox Christmass to all..
(Its Jan 7th in the Gregorian Calendar)


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: zadachka: pro bochky meda i lozhku degtja
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:23:08 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1hnv5qINNj43@shelley.u.washington.edu> ingerman@milton.u.washington.edu writes:

> Nekto imeet bochky meda i banochku degtja. 
> Vjisheupomjanutaja lichnost' zacherpivaet lozhku degtja
> is banochki i bjilivaet (ili bjitrjakhivaet) eje v bochku meda.
> Dalee vreditel' peremeshivaet soderzhimoe bochki i perelivaet
> lozhku smesi nazad v banochku s degtem, posle chego peremeshivaet
> soderzhimoe banochki. Upomjanutji prozes povtorjaetcja tri rasa (vsego).
> Vopros chego stalo bol'she degtja v bochke ili meda v banke.
> (imeetsja v vidu absoljutnji ob^em).
> 
> David.

As the volume in  both vessels  remains the same, the  amount of the tar in
the honey is  exactly the same as  the amount of the  honey in the tar. one
may repeat the described procedure as many times as one wants with the same
result.

Cheers,

Greg