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From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH)
Subject: Re: What pray tell is a system shock?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:16:05 GMT

In article <Bt1to1.3zo@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (NO CARRIER) writes:
>
>I was polymorphing when all of a sudden I died for what seemed like no
>reason. What the heck is a system shock? there was nothing in the room.
>Feel free to mail...
>   steve
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This happen to me for the first time recently. (I don't polymorph myself a lot)
My guess is that polymorphing works the same way in nethack as it did in AD&D,
upon which a large portion of nethack is based.  In AD&D, every time you 
polymorph, you make a system shock roll based on your constitution.  If 
memory serves, an average constitution gives an 80-90% chance of survival,
and sufficiently high constitution assures survival.  Remember, however, that
this is only speculation (attn: flamers); nethack could very well do things
differently.  Maybe there are some source code scavengers out there who know
the specifics.
From: rhelbig@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Roger Helbig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Best classes (was Re: Genocide failed?!)
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:32:05 GMT
Organization: Electrical & Electronic Eng., The University of Adelaide

In <1992Aug17.202233.21867@msi.com> bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:

>LUCIFER (st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu) wrote:
>: IMHO, Archiologists are one of the best classes - you can id gems. And if
>: you just had a big Red Dragon lunch, well, just tin that Frost Giant, and
>: have him for high tea.

It's not that uncommon for other classes to find tinning kits.

>A priest is good because he can identify the cursed/blessed state of an
>object.  That I think is more valuable than identifying gems.  Plus his
>kick is good against chests.  Not very often do I get hurt kicking a
>chest.  This isn't very true of some of the other classes I've tried.

Right - priests are great for these reasons, but I don't play them any
more since I ascended with a priest.  Why waste time doing that when I
could be notching up a win with a different character class?  For me,
it's barbarian and priest down, the rest to go :-)

After trying (quite) a few archeologists with no success so far, I've
been seeing how I go with wizards lately.  As a wizard, it can be
tough to survive the first few levels, but sometimes they start out
with some great items.  My favourites are rings of regen, conflict,
and levitation is useful in later stages (or in the early stages if
you want to levitate over your engraving so it won't rub out).
A wand of speed monster or inviz is pretty groovy too.

A question: I want to win without any form of cheating.  How much of
a cheat is polypiling?  I just want to know what you hack-heads out
there think; obviously there can't be any absolute rule about this.
If you don't like to polypile, what constitutes a polypile - one
item? 5? 100?  One could argue that all polypiling is OK, since the
ability to do it is built into the game (unlike restoring save files),
but it _is_ mentioned in the "abuse" section of the spoilers. Opinions?

-=-
Roger
From: angus@hardy.u.washington.edu (Angus the Demonchild)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:28:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug15.051028.27303@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> 
esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes:
>Question 1: How does one use a crystal ball?

One Applies it, like any other tool.

>Question 2: What is an osaku?

It's a Japanese lock pick.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: stud05@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Frank en stijn)
Distribution: world
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 21:54:32 +02
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Subject: Re: Just a thought

Since you asked, I DID win with all characterclasses. Took me two months
of playing, but I did it. In fact, after a while it gets too easy.
Request for the dev-team: I want an ultra-hard option
People will probably want to know this:
 I think priest is easiest for an experienced player. You should be able
   to finish about one game in three.
 It took me a long time before I succeeeded in finishing with a healer.
   To me, this is the most difficult class (mainly caused by the disgusting
   initial weapon and useless characteristics)
 Wizard might be most fun to play. By cowering like a coward on an
   athame engraved Elbereth, you can win fights that take several thousend
   turns. Do fun things like waiting for these orks to use up all their
   arrows, hit one a few times and Elbereth again. Repeat until won. Use
   weak monsters as shield, make a pet out of everything you can, and get
   your pets to kill the opponents etc. Makes for more inspired playing
   (for that you need a weak character class that still has enough stuff
    such that a solution exist for most problems).

                                                              Ton
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Phasing?
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:04:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Aug19.180403.9573

the spoilers give phasing as an intrinsic you can get from Xorn. to see what
it'd be like i've run a few exploration games to see if this is so. so
far there've been lots of immune to cold/heat results, but no phase.
is it really possible to get the ability?

jason

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From: lcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Lisa C. Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Genocide failed?! -> genociding
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:25:19 GMT
	<1992Aug11.224158.23665@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
	<1992Aug13.115706.12690@phillip.edu.au>
	<1992Aug13.185908.11695@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Reply-To: lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
In-reply-to: peg@cs.washington.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 18:59:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.185908.11695@beaver.cs.washington.edu> peg@cs.washington.edu (Peter Granger) writes:
   In article <1992Aug13.115706.12690@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:
   >In article <1992Aug11.224158.23665@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, peg@cs.washington.edu (Peter Granger) writes:

   >> As for genociding, the things I take out are generally nymphs, nurses,
   >> xans, and umber hulks. And after that I go for cockatrices, but when
   >> was the last time you ever found more than 4 scrolls of genocide?

Well, I just had 7 scrolls of genocide from a polymorph pile - and this
after having had several scrolls previously.  (The whole sheaf was promptly
blessed, but if I carry them around long enough they'll end up cursed.)  So
do I wipe out most creatures, or just make them into some other type of
scroll?  :^)  (Gone so far? L,c,:,golden naga,rust monster,V, with five
blessed scrolls left over!)

   >None of those things are that bad! Xans are easy, just wear boots. Unber
   >Hulks are harder, but carry a unicorn horn and they become no more dangerous
   >than a dragon. Nymphs are easy, hit them with a wand (sleep maybe, or a
   >ray one) or throw missiles at them. Nurses don't matter much. I usually
   >don't bother taking my armor off but you just leave them alone. (Or kill
   >them if you don't mind bad luck. With a blessed luckstone and lots of
   >sacrifices it rarely matters.)

   Nurses, again, are a nuisance. There's no way in hell :-) I'm going to
   take off my armor and weapon, 

Actually, I did!  I was in a dead-end passage (with a blindfold handy to
make sure nothing was going to tunnel through), so stripped right down and
had a healing sauna!  Aahhhh... :^)

I like nurses.  My hp are all the way up to 368.  Doesn't save one from
inflicted sickness, but doesn't hurt, either - except perhaps to engender
overconfidence!  And if one can't undress, one can still ignore them or
kill them when worst comes to worst.

Now if I can just avoid a Stupid Death (tm)...  Barely escaped S.D. thrice
thus far.

On to victory!

-Lisa Caroline
--
Lisa Caroline Lewis   		    Our country, right or wrong.  
lcl@csa.bu.edu      -or-	    When right, to be kept right; 
lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu     when wrong, to be put right.
                  	             - Carl Schurz, January 17, 1872
Xref: sparky rec.games.hack:5539 gnu.misc.discuss:2690
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GOR
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:06
Organization: Private Coherent 3.2.1 site waiting for 4.0

  Hi,

I would like to draw your attention to a possible violation of the
GNU license. There is a German shareware game named GOR which is probably
derived from Nethack code. Especially the game commands and messages
are direct translations from Nethack ones, as well as the object types
and behaviours and the character stats, though the 3D look and the
generated levels are somewhat different and there is only one character
type.

Could the Dev Team or someone from GNU comment on a case like this?
I'm willing to mail a sample of the demo version if I'm asked to,
but only one or two, since I have to pay for every K of mail.

--ralf
-- "... a particularly severe standard should be applied to the reasons that
   move the legislator to differentiation and unequal treatment. Hereby the
   legislator is demanded to check consecutively his forecasts he made at
   law creation and to adapt the once won understanding to newer knowledge."
                                              (From The Lubeck Sentence)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: romano@monolith.bellcore.com (Paul C. Romano)
Subject: Question on bones levels???
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:55:15 GMT
Keywords: How to uncurse items?

	I have a question for all Nethack veterans. I have made to bones 
levels frequently, killed off the ghosts from my previous games, and 
acquired all of their loot. My question is: How does one go about uncursing
all of the stuff? Is their one easy method to take care of this? Nothing in
the Nethack spoilers guide tells you how to do this. Any help would be
appreciated....

Thanks,

Paul
romano@monolith.bellcore.com


-- 
Paul Romano			| Poor man wants to be rich, rich man
Bellcore 			| wants to be king, and the king ain't
(908) 699-4445			| satisfied until he rules everything...
romano@monolith.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Best classes (was Re: Genocide failed?!)
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:22:33 GMT

LUCIFER (st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu) wrote:
: IMHO, Archiologists are one of the best classes - you can id gems. And if
: you just had a big Red Dragon lunch, well, just tin that Frost Giant, and
: have him for high tea.

A priest is good because he can identify the cursed/blessed state of an
object.  That I think is more valuable than identifying gems.  Plus his
kick is good against chests.  Not very often do I get hurt kicking a
chest.  This isn't very true of some of the other classes I've tried.

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From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Wasted by Wizard (SPOILERS)
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:29:12 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

DAVIS@licra.dn.mu.oz.au writes:
>SPOILERS IN FOLLOWING QUESTION:
>
>Anyway, I cleared out the castle and amongst other things I wished for a 
>blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail, and received a black mantelet which is +
>3 and did very good things for my AC.  I worked up from lvl 50 and found 
>the Wizard on lvl 43.  I can kill him, but he always gets me with his 
>finger of death, and even if I survive the first battle it is usually at 
>the cost of my amulet of life saving.  He then gets me next time which is 
>soon after.
>
>I was under the impression that +3 GDSM gave anti-magic protection.  Was I 
>wrong?  Should I have wished for a cloak of magic resistance?

You got me.  GDSM *does* protect from magic, including finger-of-death.
That spell shouldn't be killing you.  (Unless you're not *wearing* the GDSM.)
I know that this sounds silly, but are you sure that :

1) you're wearing the GDSM?  It won't work if it's merely in your inventory.
2) it's *gray* dragon scale mail?  Other color dragon scale mail gives
   different resistances.  (Red dragon -> fire resistance, etc.)

BTW, I don't think that these are spoilers.  These are parameters of the
game.  To win, someone needs to tell you that you need to level teleport
into Hell to find the Wizard. (Well, usually.)  Anyone who wants to win
the game should be told that that artifacts exist, and that dragon scale
mail can be created.

--David
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| dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com | -- Why my roommate screamed out of nowhere.  |
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Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Subject: Crash
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:01:33 GMT

Yesterday I asked about some help with restoring a character after NH crashed
Please disredard that query. I have now a more pressing one: what do I do
with 205 luckstones?
From: rhelbig@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Roger Helbig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: wishing (was Re: Sacrificing)
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:12:56 GMT
Organization: Electrical & Electronic Eng., The University of Adelaide

In <10429@scott.ed.ac.uk> sophia@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Sophie Cormack) writes:

>Try three blessed glowing potions (that works).  I don't know what the
     ^^^^^

Why do people wish for three of something when wishing for multiple
items? (three blessed scrolls of charging, etc.)  Do the chances of
success go down if you wish for more, in the same way that weapon
or armor enchantments do?  I think I can remember asking once for 3 of
something and only getting one.  Maybe someone with the source can
enlighten us.

-=-
Roger
From: shane@hisfood.Corp.Sun.COM ( Shane White )
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Ring of Polymorph Control
Date: 17 Aug 1992 20:09:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: shane@hisfood.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hisfood.corp.sun.com

I found a ring of Polymorph control and don't know how to use it.


Can someone help me?


Shane
From: lcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Lisa C. Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Best classes (was Re: Genocide failed?!)
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:10:11 GMT
Reply-To: lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
In-reply-to: madmax@cellar.org's message of 19 Aug 92 04:08:43 GMT

In article <91JqPB2w164w@cellar.org> madmax@cellar.org (Alex Strumpf) writes:

   > A priest is good because he can identify the cursed/blessed state of an
   > object.  That I think is more valuable than identifying gems.  Plus his
   > kick is good against chests.  Not very often do I get hurt kicking a
   > chest.  This isn't very true of some of the other classes I've tried.
   > 
   Why bother kicking the chest with a priest chr.?  just <minor spoiler 
   follows..>












   Just have the priest force the lock with his mace.(the A can also do this 
   with the bullwhip)  Which is why(I agree with you on this point) I don't 
   worry as much about losing hp and wounding legs with A & P as I do with W,T,
   etc. 
Yes, but there is a chance of destroying the chest (and losing its
contents, it seems) while you're at it.  

-Lisa Caroline

--
Lisa Caroline Lewis   		    Our country, right or wrong.  
lcl@csa.bu.edu      -or-	    When right, to be kept right; 
lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu     when wrong, to be put right.
                  	             - Carl Schurz, January 17, 1872
From: lcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Lisa C. Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Djinni's
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:23:11 GMT
	<1992Aug20.213511.20322@u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
In-reply-to: angus@hardy.u.washington.edu's message of 20 Aug 92 21:35:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.213511.20322@u.washington.edu> angus@hardy.u.washington.edu (Angus the Demonchild) writes:

   >Do genie's only appear from glowing potions (whatever that happens to 
   >be in your game) ?  If so, that's a big drag if the glowing potion 
   >turns out to be poison or hallucination.

   Yep, them's the breaks.

But if you have a means of poison resistance, or a blessed/uncursed unicorn
horn to take care of the aftereffects, it's not so bad.  And hallucinating
can be kinda fun at times.

-Lisa Caroline
--
Lisa Caroline Lewis   		    Our country, right or wrong.  
lcl@csa.bu.edu      -or-	    When right, to be kept right; 
lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu     when wrong, to be put right.
                  	             - Carl Schurz, January 17, 1872
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: bones level?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 08:43:34 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Yendor, holding, bag


What is a bones level?


JMH
From: dif@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (David Faulkner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Genocide failed?!
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:41:14 GMT
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre

lcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Lisa C. Lewis) writes:
>
>I previously genocided c and : with blessed scrolls.  So why is there a
>cockatrice on this level?  (I'm on a unix game, hard option set.)

It is probably a chameleon. Look the other way and it won't be a 'c'
any more.

Question: Has anyone ever polymorphed into a chameleon? What happens?

  -dif-
-- 
Dave Faulkner, Research Officer                     (dif@bhpcpd.kembla.oz.au)
BHP Coated Products Division, Research and Technology Centre
Port Kembla, New South Wales, Australia.
From: ericc@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (The Mad Monkey)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Need Sage Advice!
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:37:04 GMT
Organization: SII Telco Systems Divisions

In article <Bt3zJD.KL6@rice.edu> Wing Chiu Peter Leung,
wcpl@owlnet.rice.edu writes:
>And to remove the curse on them, the best way is to have all the items
>with you and then read a *blessed* scroll of remove curse.  Then ALL
items
>will be uncursed.

Be sure to d)rop your intentionally cursed items first. Such as
genocide scrolls, unicorn horns, and magic markers.
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From: yucao@cco.caltech.edu (Yu Cao, aka Bobbo)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: ATTN: Christian Barmala
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:33:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

Sorry for broadcasting this. 

Chris, I couldn't reply to you with your old address. I would like to
get the info on the hard copy spoiler distributer you mentioned in
your mail. I'd like to put it in the FAQ. Thanks. --If anyone else
knows about this please notify me too.

--Yu

-- 
Yu Cao 					yucao@cco.caltech.edu
Caltech 103-33                          
Pasadena, CA 91125
From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: REPLY QUICK!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:32:55 GMT


I would like to ftp nethack (again. bad virus story) before I go
home tonight (for the weekend), ie NOW. I DON'T CARE that it is
a FAQ, I KNOW THAT. I had the FAQ list and lost it.

so, If there are less than ten letters written after this one
in r.g.h, PLEASE reply and tell me where I can ftp it for 
the IBM (preferably latest version.

thankyouverymuch,
		Cav.
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
From: fabian@cis.ohio-state.edu (anjanette louise fabian)
Subject: chests, polymorph and other
Originator: fabian@python.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:45:07 GMT

	I took a chance when my priest ran across a pair of cursed rings I was
dying to try out: polymorph and polymorph control.  So I put'em on and found
some things out:

	the higher level monster you become, the less time you will be that monster
	you cannot become a shopkeeper or extremely high level monsters
	(unless you need to be in hell to become a demon-type)

	armor and weapons are real problems!  armor shreds, weapons drop and
you can't rely on wielding wands or pickaxes

	some creatures have great AC (dwarf king) but multiple attacks are
nice too.

	laying eggs takes energy (food)

	umber hulks are fun for mining a level  (rock moles can't carry squat)

	when (as a monster) your hits get low you will become human, not always
convenient when you haven't got armor!

	
	Chests:
	If you haven't found this out already, this is a good tip.
	You can take things out of chests AND you can put things in!  Useful
for keeping the nasties from picking up a weapon and making mincemeat out of
you.  I use it to store unidentified objects and spare equipment.  This is
usually spellbooks that I want to save for a higher level.  It also keeps
pets from dragging things around, although cursed items also work.  Beware!
when you have big pets they will drag loaded chests around.  I like to keep
chests beside altars and I sometimes make the effort to take chests to lower
levels with me.

	Disadvantage: piles have random access, chests have sequential access.
	Solution: use one chest for orc-type stuff (armor, weapons) and another
for magic items.

	Character classes:
	Priest is great when it comes to armor shops!  You just try on all the
uncursed merchandise, and take the best of the lot!

Happy hacking!
Anjanette Fabian
From: lcl@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Lisa C. Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.games.hack
Subject: Re: Need Sage Advice!
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:05:53 GMT
Reply-To: lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
In-reply-to: wcpl@owlnet.rice.edu's message of 17 Aug 92 03:40:25 GMT


   >The best way to detect curses on items wholesale is to find an altar
   >and drop *everything* on it (except perhaps potions of water).  With
   >the exception of water, dropping an item on an altar will cause it to
   >flash black if it is cursed or...amber, I think, if it is blessed.

And also except scrolls of scare monster, which may well fall apart in your
hands as you pick them up.  Of course, that's one way of identifying them!
;^) 

-Lisa Caroline
--
Lisa Caroline Lewis   		    Our country, right or wrong.  
lcl@csa.bu.edu      -or-	    When right, to be kept right; 
lcl@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu     when wrong, to be put right.
                  	             - Carl Schurz, January 17, 1872