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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:22:12 GMT

In article <Bx7x2J.2AI@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>tad@tad.b30.ingr.com (tad w stephens) writes:
>
>>[stuff about bama deleted]
>
>> >Remember this fact : the only SEC team that isn't 'CHICKEN' to play
>> >Miami is Auburn and you would be the first (IMO) to bitch and holler
>> >about Miami playing a weak team !
>
>>Wait a minute, Blowhard.  I seem to remember another Sugar Bowl where the
>>mighty CANEZ got chewed up and spit out by an SEC team in dressed orange.
>>Does the score 35-7 ring a bell?   If you don't remember it, ask Vinny 
>>Testaverde.  I'm sure he still wakes up in a cold sweat thinking about that 
>>one.  Before you go ragging the entire SEC because Florida won't play you, 
>>check who else plays in the SEC.
>
>Why do you insist on bringing up the Sugar Bowl ? The SEC has no choice.
>The champion goes to the Sugar Bowl. Done. Thats it. Fini.

    By god, I do believe you've got it!  Miami has a *choice* of
whether or not to play the SEC champ (once again, provided that they
are invited).

>Now to get back to my answer to an Alabama fan that sounded like a
>blowhard when he said that Miami would chicken out and opt for the OB.

    This could have been me you're talking about.  However, I said
nothing about Miami being chicken.  I simply stated that I hoped
they did not elect to stay in the friendly confines of the Orange
Bowl to try and extend their winning streak instead of facing a more
impressive Alabama team, with a less impressive Miami team, in the
Sugar Bowl this year.  They *could* choose to do this you know.

>I said that no SEC team would schedule a home and home series with Miami.
>You tell me which one will ! 

    Any of them will.  There, I gave you as many facts to back up my
assertion as you did to back up yours.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Alabama better than Michigan
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:33:07 GMT


In article <Bx92s8.7Ls@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
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|> From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
|> Subject: Re: Alabama better than Michigan
|> Message-ID: <Bx92s8.7Ls@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
|> Date: 5 Nov 92 15:52:55 GMT
|> References: <wexjRmS00iUyE6AJJM@andrew.cmu.edu> 	<vanepps-041192042124@aha260.ccs.itd.umich.edu> 	<1992Nov04.145017.39699@uvmark.uucp> <ASH.92Nov5094318@ulysses.mr.ams.com>
|> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner)
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|> 
|> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Nov04.145017.39699@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
|> 
|> >   >win them all, then we will talk...".   Michigan is the last team in the
|> >   >nation to talk about "play somebody".  
|> 
|> >Isn't Texas A&M the last team to talk about "play somebody"?
|> 
|> I would say Michigan is in a pretty close race to see who should be the last
|> team to talk about "play somebody"!
|> 
|> On the serious side, it will depend on how Stanford and ND do during the
|> remaining season.  They are about the only ones that give either schedule
|> any meat.

It does seem to me that OSU is slowly coming around to reality.  They really
should not have lost the Illinois game(they completelt outplayed Illinois, who 
got a few more than just one lucky break in that game), and at 6-2 have finally
moved back in to the rankings.  I think it is most interesting how quiet the
OSU people have been while we wait for the OSU-UM game.  But I think that OSU
should be considered as at least a speed bump for Michigan, at least as much
as Penn St. could be for Miami or Arizona for UW or Miami.  Time will tell...


|> Todd
|> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
|> 
|> 
|> >-Alan Harder
|> > 
|> >These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
|>
From: jbs@cs.arizona.edu (John B. Slankas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Notre Dame vs. Miame was (Re: Open Question to Miami fans)
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:59:21 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <26367@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jbs@cs.arizona.edu (John B. Slankas) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.171026.25235@schbbs.mot.com> C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan) writes:
>>what wimps those Irish are!  God knows they should get anything they
>>want.  I would love to see them play Miami but I know it will never
>>happen, Miami would KILL them.
>
>Just out of curiousity what was the last team to be Miami? (Which I believe
>happened in 1990?)

oops, that should have been beat, not be.  I know of plenty of teams who would
never want to be Miami.

John 
.



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager)
Subject: Some comments
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:55:44 GMT

First, let me say I'm not a fan of any of the top teams (I'm an Illini
fan), so these comments should be unbiased.

One thing I was wondering about is why home field advantage is pretty
much ignored when rating teams.  I realize Arizona is Miami and Washington's
only common opponent.  But I think a key reason for the results of the
two games was due to the home field.  Miami barely beats Arizona in Miami;
Washington loses in Arizona.  Why should Miami be ranked ahead of Washington
just because they were fortunate enough tp play Arizona in Miami?  If the
home fields were reversed, we very possibly would have had opposite results.

Next issue.  Why isn't Florida State being given more credit?  Their only
loss came in Miami by a slim margin.  They have road wins at Clemson, NC
State, Georgia Tech, and Virginia which I think is pretty impressive.  Yet
no one mentions them as a possible national champion.

Then we have Alabama, Michigan, and Texas A&M being considered as possible
champions just because they're undefeated (except for Michigan's tie).  Would
these teams be undefeated if they had Washington or Florida St's schedule?
Yet, when the rankings come out this week, those three teams will likely be
ranked ahead of Washington and Florida St.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't think the rankings reflect the
true ordering of teams in terms of strength.  It's all a matter of timing
and circumstance.  This might not be so bad if it wasn't for college
football's ridiculous lack of a playoff system.  The rankings would just
be for argument's sake until the playoffs settled things.  But because
of the way college football is designed, the only chance teams like Washington,
Florida St., and Arizona have of being champions is if all four of the
undefeated teams lose a game.  A team like Arizona might be the best team
in the country.  But they started out slow and therefore have no chance of
being champions.  If there were a playoff system, do you think any team would
look forward to playing Arizona at a neutral site?

By now I guess I'm just rambling, but after listening to a number of sports
commentators say Miami deserves to be #1 and then reading a bunch of posts
saying the same thing, I just wanted to add my two cents.  Although Miami
very well could be the best team, I have a problem with everyone acting
like it's so clear cut now that Washington has lost.  I'd like to see the
rankings reflect who the best team is instead of having an ordering largely
due to circumstance.  I'd like to see Miami, Washington, Florida St., and
Arizona all receive some #1 votes because, to me, not one of these four teams
is clearly the best.  An argument could be made for all of them.  But because
of circumstances (home field, schedule strength, etc.), Miami will be on top.
It's definitely time for a playoff system where things could be settled head
to head.

Mike Sager
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: WE WANT MIAMI!!
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:00:54 GMT

In article <6825@news.duke.edu> ds4@soc4.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
>
>I would like to have Bama and A&M lose so Miami can play Nebraska.  No team knows
>how to lose the big ones like the Huskers.  Miami would clobber them and send
>them back to the fields.

I'd really like to see that happen, but I doubt it will... I hate myself for
saying this, but at present I doubt any team would blow them away. They might
lose, but it'll be close.

Well, as a side note, this year NU had it easy playing two toughest games at
home.. But I have a feeling that OU might spoil the NU party a bit... they have
decided to go back to option football and *bingo* they beat the hell out of MU!
Maybe the OU guys want to give Gibbs something to remember as a parting present.

BTW, you know very well who I'll be rooting for in that game...

>
>|> Skip Burrell				Internet:	skipb@unomaha.edu

Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Subject: Re: Nebraska defeats Colorado
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:13:52 GMT

--
>>Geez can't you CU fans just admit you got your butts whiped and CU limped back >to LiberalTown (boulder) with their tails between their legs and go on with
>>life?

>Also the home of extreme right wingers, like "Soldier of Fortune".  Not
>all people here are liberal.

No but You must admit that the town slants drastically left.

>>My opinion from listening to the KOA Denver Propaganda is that "Coach Mac"
>>has a VERY clear understanding of direction for his team. You can't pin this
>>on him - you TURNCOATS!!! One min. you love him and now you loath him. Grow
>>up and give the man some time to develop his plan.

>I hope that you are directing these comments to a handful of
>posters, not all of Boulder, or all CU fans in general.  A lot
>of us continue the same consistent support.

Yes Mark. You are correct. I am addressing to a handfull - not the whole.

>>
>>I think you cu folks should just take this quietly and try it again next year.
>> By the way - WHERE HAS OUR FRIEND NJAN BEEN??????      Hello, hello, hello...

>Yeah, I was quiet until a loud mouth like you started spewing!

Just a min. Mark. I made a point to NOT POST ABOUT THIS GAME UNTILL I started
seeing whiney baby talk about how McCartney is at fault for starting Detmer,
NU's defense had little to do with the turnovers etc... I could not believe the whiney garbage I was reading. I did not think that even SOME of your fellow CU
fans were cabable of saying the things they did after such a severe beating like
that. Only then did I start replying back to those guys (not you Mark).

Go back and check the posts. It's all in this newsgroup in black and white.
I did not start flapping untill other posts had been put up by certain CU fans who...  ...well lets just say they don't know how to loose any beter than they know how to win.

Man, when you get beat like that just take it, keep your mount shut (you have
no room to talk when you get beat that way), eat your crow dinner, and try
harder next year. I know because I've had more crow dinners than most.   ;^)

>Mark

Husker Henderson

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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Luck in College Football
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:56:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) writes:
>field and set up to attempt a winning field goal (or even a tying one)
>from a length that division 1A kickers will hit 75% of the time, and 
I thought the field goal attempt was at 51 yards.  Are division 1A (or even
pro) kickers that good?  And, doesn't the Orange Bowl have grass?  51 yards on
grass is not exactly a pot-shot.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:37:51 GMT

In article <6844@news.duke.edu> ds4@soc2.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.140146.12704@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>|> 
>|>  [Stuff about Torretta finding a way to win in crunch time.]
>|> 
>|> 
>|> >>
>|> >>Sorry.  In crunch time, some FSU joke tried to field a punt at the 1.  In
>|> >         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> >
>|> >Um, actually, it wasn't the player's fault. He was told by "Mr. Choke" Bowden
>|> >to try and make something happen. Of course, the wrong thing happened. Just
>|> >another screw up by everybody's so-called "saint". Don't go blaming players
>|> >for the fuck-ups of moronic coaches.
>|> >
>|> 
>|> I stand corrected.  Of course, the point is still valid, i.e. that Torretta
>|> did not "find a way to win" that game.
>
>You stand corrected again....what do you call his game winning (PERFECT)
>touchdown pass?  It seems to me that you are stuck on thinking that the saftey
>won the game....well, since it seems that you cannot add, grab a calculator and
>enter in 19.  Then subtract 2...if I am going to fast, that is for the saftey.
>Now see if it is greater than 16.  If you get stuck, call me.
>

Yeah, I'm calling alright.  You don't have to be that sarcastic.  And you
still miss my point.  FSU had the opportunity to win the game and instead
tried very hard to lose it.  Okay, so Torretta threw a touchdown pass.
That's his job.  There are a lot of quarterbacks around the country who
do the same thing every week.  This thread started by someone saying that
Torretta just "finds a way to win" every week, and I replied that it was
the Miami defense that was more likely "finding a way to win."  It seems
to me that despite his touchdown pass, FSU could have won, were it not
for dumb coaching calls/poor execution (take your pick) and/or a superior
Miami defense that would have none of it.  As long as you're lecturing,
how exactly Torretta win the Penn State game?  And sign your posts.

>|> 
>|> >
>|> >Kevin
>|> >
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> -- 
>|> Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
>|> mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
>|> "Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"


-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Washington vs. Arizona
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:32:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.063238.14898
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <j2A=T-_@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov8.183431.16716@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>, kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>> chyang@simile.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>	If you examine the situation closely you will notice that the
>Woofing Gods have already gotten the Huskies.  Do you seriously think
>that the Woofing Gods would strike a team twice in a season?  		

They could...  The woofing gods have no mercy..  :)

>	I remember the years that you described well.  In 1984, the
>Huskies were undefeated until they played the Cougs.  They went 
>a head to defeat Oklahoma in the 1985 Orange Bowl and ended up ranking
>2nd in the AP pole behind BYU.  In that case the Woof God only struck
>once.  I seriously doubt that he/she will strike again.  

I don't mean to be picky, but the Huskies were undefeated, until they lost
to USC.  Then, they took out their frustrations against WSU and later on
Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl!!  

In 1985, the Mark Rypien-led Cougs beat the Huskies 21-20 in Husky stadium,
when Don James decided to go for 2, but the team couldn't convert.  That's
Don's philosophy.  He doesn't like ties.

>- Chung Yang
>
>> 

-Behzad
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:04:39 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov13.204813.22355@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>Could it now be that UW fans are hyping up Arizona to make their Huskies
>>look good?
>
>>I don't know.  You tell me.
>
>I think what's happening is that anybody who didn't really
>know Arizona thought them somewhat of a fluke team for *almost*
>beating Miami (in score, at least).  The consensus was that hey,
>Arizona didn't play any other supposed quality teams and 
>therefore the close score against Miami just *had* to be due
>to Miami's goofs, right?
>
>Okay, so now that Arizona has beaten UW, everybody's saying
>"Hey, I guess Arizona is pretty good after all!"

I will throw an athlete's perspective in here for a moment. It is possible that
the reason AZ is playing so well lately is *because* of the close loss to 
Miami. I spoke earlier of Miami's status being so high that a team can make its
whole season by being respectable while *losing* to them. I definitely believe
this is true in AZ's case. They were tabbed as a potentially good team early 
on but not until they hung in there with the Canes did they start to believe 
in themselves. Now they don't think they can be stopped. Before you AZ fans 
get carried away though you need to bear in mind that in a rematch situation 
AZ would certainly lose that element of surprise they enjoyed earlier in the 
season and no FSU game would be lurking next week for Miami. They're undivided 
attention would be focused on *you*! Nobody has beaten them under those 
circumstances in a long time. In fact, nobody's beaten them under any 
circumstances in a long time. Obviously, Miami has a better offense than AZ 
and the defenses are about even. In a bowl game, I would always take the better
passing team as the Canes have shown over the years that they could stop even
the most potent running games in the Universe and AZ does not have a 
high-powered passing attack to fall back on when Miami stuffs the run. Oh yeah,
I might just mention that in the event of a real defensive struggle, it often 
comes down to kicking... I think we know who has the more reliable PK already 
dont' we? 



-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: New A&M QB (was Lee Corso's prediction)
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:46:32 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov10.205724.9618@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu writes:

> mmarolda@NeoSoft.com (Mike Marolda) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov9.221515.12262@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> 
> >>
> >>  Another good thing was the receivers did not drop any passes (or very few).
> >>This was hurting a lot.
> >>
> >As good as they looked, I thought Schorp (sp?) got tackled pretty easily.  
> >If he'd stepped over a few shostring tackles,  I think the passing yardage
> >would've looked much better.
> 
> They haven't had time to work on moves after the catch.  They've been too
> busy taking fielding practice up to this point (keep the ball in front of
> you, and keep the glove on the ground...)

  Too true, too true.  But really, has all Austin gotten this depressed?  It's
come down to little jabs at Aggie problems that have (hopefully) gone away...
What happened to all those "SPANK the Aggies" posts?  I almost miss them.  

  Almost. :-)

  Seriously, I haven't seen any whining out of the Longhorn fans on the net, 
and for that you guys should be commended.  Who'd have thought the Froggies
would suddenly go killer?  I hope the Ags don't take anybody lightly the next
3 weeks...


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Traditional Rivalries
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:23 EST  

In article <1dou0qINNag4@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...
>oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>Since we are getting to the point in the college football
>season where "Rivals Collide!!!", does anybody have a copy
>of the list of "trophies" that are at stake?
>

My personal favorite, although it's rarely played for, is Arizona vs. New 
Mexico for the Winchester Rifle.

R Dendy
From: ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Swann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NCSU/UVA in Charlottesville
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:48:13 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Bob -

I do have a couple of suggestions:


1. Just about anywhere on "the corner" (ask anyone for directions) is
(used to be) fun.  Get a Gusburger "all the way" at the White Spot late
at night, and have breakfast at the Virginian the next morning.

2. Post before Friday next time ;-).


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