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From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Question about IIvx, P600, Duo & displays
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:10:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.ibhan.720990658

oscar@mi.el.utwente.nl (Oscar ter Hofstede - UT) writes:


>Hi!

>I have read the announcements from Apple about the new macs, but there
>are still a few questions open to me.
>Can anyone fill in this table for me for each of the following machines?

>	- IIvx
>	- Performa 600
>	- Powerbook Duo



>CPU	68030 / 32 MHz		?
In the IIvx and Performa 600.  The Duo 230 has a 33 Mhz 68030

>FPU	68882 / 32 MHz		?
Only IIvx.

>External Bus width:	32 bits	?
All 3.

>External Cache size:	32K	?
Only IIvx

>Also, Apple announced two new 14" displays, while I have only seen
>the price of one of them. Which price goes with wich display?
>And while I'm at it, what's the price of the 16" display?
>Finally I'd like to know if the Duo comes with a active cristal display,
>for less submarining :)

The Duo systems come with a supertwist LCD.  Apple has three "new"
monitors.  The Performa Display and the Performa Display Plus are worse
than the standard Apple 13" RGB, but are cheaper.  The Mac Color Display
replaces the current 13" and costs slightly less, with slightly better
quality.
-- 
             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:09:28 GMT

In article <16899EABB.UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.074751.12249@u.washington.edu>
>tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
> 
>>
>>smytonj@carr54.alleg.edu (James Smyton) writes:
>>>From what I have seen(note this qualification), the Mac has a much larger
>>>software selection compared to NeXTs.  How is NeXTs selling point
>>>justified by software in leiu of this difference?
>>
>>How many word processors do you use?  How many spreadsheets?  How many
>>data bases?  How many symbolic mathematics systems?  If the answer for
>>each of these is 1 or 2, then you have your answer.
>>
>>Who cares if NeXT has N programs that do X, the Mac has 5N, and the IBM
>>PC clone has 25N?  All I care about is how good the best 1 or 2 are, so
>>I don't care if the PC has the most bad programs, and the Mac has the
>>second most bad programs, and the NeXT has the fewest bad programs.
>>
>So you don't want anymore software developed for the NeXT? You're
>happy with the current level? ;) Seriously, more software gives you
>a wider range of choices. Why limit your options?
>Its very nice to say you don't need choices when you don't have any!

It's funny...  now all the Macintosh people are saying exactly what
all the PC people said when Macintosh came out...  you guys forget too
quickly...


andrew
From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: PowerBook Tuner 1.0---what is it?
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:43:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: sfu.neilg.721370615
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:

> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:
>> While browsing through some FTP site (I think it was the RASCAL mirror
>> at WUARCHIVE.WUSTL.EDU) I found something called "Powerbook Tuner 1.0"
>> What is it?

>	basically, it is the alfa version of a fix for a PowerBook serial
>	port problem;  supposedly os 7.1 has the fix applied, but when I
>	asked if/when when the release version can be expected (for users
>	who do not plan to upgrade to os 7.1) I was told "soon"...
>	but I'll believe it when I see it.

 Is this supposed to be a software fix for the hardware problem
involving the power-saving circuitry that prevents the use of MIDI
hardware with all PowerBooks except the 100? (gosh that was a long
convoluted sentence...) I think I remember reading in Macworld or
somewhere that the new Duos can't MIDI properly either. So does this
mean that Apple hasn't fixed the problem with 7.1?

 And, yes, it does strike me as being kind of irresponsible on Apple's
part to release these machines that can't use MIDI while still pushing
Macs as wondrous multimedia computers.

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Subject: Re: Mac 128K a complete dog (WAS Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!))
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:31:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.231915.14720@scott.skidmore.edu>, jduncan@scott.skidmore.edu (john duncan) writes:
|> mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
|> > In article <1992Oct28.192049.13390@javelin.sim.es.com>, mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson) wrote:
|> > >'cute' would be better used to describe the Amiga environment.  What
|> > >other computer would have "Guru" errors, or a "Kick-Start" disk.
|> > 
|> > Guru errors are a feature. No more mysterious lockups with no explanation
|> > during a long Quark lino output.
|> > 
|> > And there haven't been "Kick-Start" disks since 1986. You want we should 
|> > complain about SCSI support on Mac 128Ks? And what about that Lisa/Mac XL.
|> > Completely nonstandard. I mean, really!
|> 	Yeah, but the 128 came out in 1983... That was great for the
|> time, and ran on a 68000. Nowadays the amiga is still plagued by
|> incomplete HD support and a cheezy CLI with a 'workbench' windowing
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       ^^^^^^^^^^        ^^^^^^^^^^^
    | BS.                      | More BS.        | the equivalent of the 'finder'
|> system. Trying to add amix to any amiga is hell, without even getting
|> into the slowness, and the 4000 probably isn't compatible with
|> anything anyway. I also can't believe that you brought in the
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   | BS.

|> lisa/macXL... That was a considerable upgrade path from a lisa, giving
|> a lisa users a mac rom with a meg of memory(and how much did the
|> un-upgradeable original amiga have). Also, macintoshes have meen
|> pretty much upgradeable since the 512, which could upgrade to a 512ke
|> or a plus(1meg) and then the SEs after that had upgrade cards. Now,
|> the quadras have 2 or 5 nubus 32-bit slots that can be used for
|> anything plus an 040 direct slot. They also include TRUE 24bit
|> color(not just a pallette style, unlike the amiga 4000) on the board,
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   | AH, but at that price, I can add an excellent TRUE 24-bit card... and
   BTW, how well a Quadra can animate in those true 24-bits?  TSK TSK.  Too bad.
   The Amiga 4000 can do it since Ham8 doesn't take much memory.

|> ethernet FriendlyNet (can be used for 10base 5,2, or T) and full
|> speed.

    Consider the price... again!
  
|> 		
|> > -- 
|> > Mike Rogers,Box 6,Regent Hse,##EveryoneHasTheRightToFreedomOfOpinionAndExpressio
|> > TCD,EIRE. <mike@maths.tcd.ie>##nThisRightIncludesFreedomToHoldOpinionsWithoutInt
|> > ###############################erferenceAndToSeekReceiveAndImpartInformationAndI
|> > deasThroughAnyMediaAndRegardlessOfFrontiers...#10 UN Declaration of Human Rights
|> 
|> 		Just excersizing my right to freedom of opinion and
|> expression. 
|> :)
|> John
|> jduncan@skidmore.edu
|> 
|> -------------------------------------------
|> jduncan@skidmore.edu
|> soon to be at jduncan@bbs.integrity.com
|> 

- Raist

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:09:43 GMT

In article <ewright.721341991@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>
>What about the people who need an '040 but can't afford a NeXT.
>You can say that those people can't afford a Quadra, either, but
>that's beside the point.  A person who needs an '040 but can't 
>afford one can still get *some* of his work done on a IIsi. He
>can't get any done on the NeXT (which he can't afford to buy).

If he can get it done on a IIsi, he doesn't need an 040. What a stupid
argument. If I claim I need a car, but I can make do with public
transit, do I still NEED the car? No, I just want one. There's a 
difference.

>
>Besides, there are cheaper accelerator boards for the Mac and
>good reason to believe that Apple will reduce the price of '040-
>class machines early next year.  NeXT seems to have no intention
>of reducing the price of entry-level machines ever.  
>
There's good reason to believe that Apple will abandon the 040 machines
when PowerPC ships. They've already abandoned the Q900 and had the nerve
to charge people a huge upgrade price to the Q950.

Terry Wilcox


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:02:35 GMT

In article <vrq16lj@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.165748.23160@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:

...stuff about Quadras deleted

>I agree that it's not totally outdated... but it's in the same situation the
>A3000 is. There are better machines out now, it's not #1 anymore. OF COURSE
>the price is low... wanna compare to the A3000? That's going for $1400 now...

Not #1 anymore?  The Quadra 700 wasn't #1 when it came out, the Quadra 900
had two disk controllers and a few other niceties (more slots).  Just 
because Amiga has a smaller product line.  Sheesh.

Is it my imagination or is an A3000 an 030 machine?  Is it also a 25 MHz 
040, like the Quadra?  If it is not, then there is NO comparison.  You can 
get a Mac IIsi for ABOUT $1400.  As I remember, the 20 MHz 030 is slower 
than what is used in the A3000, but the extra cost is worth it, to me at 
least, since I have LITTLE faith in the future of hardware/software support 
and compatibility in Amiga/Mac-clone systems.  As someone wisely once said,
if you want a Mac, buy one, there is no substitute.  If you want an Amiga,
buy one of those instead, but don't buy one as a Mac substitute.

Jess Holle

P.S.  Say no to Amiga owners who beg to tear apart your machine to try to
      copy your Macintosh ROM.  This DOES happen.
From: ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: the NeXT option (Was Re: 7.1 vs. OS/2 and Windows NT)
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:41:09 GMT
	<1992Nov5.075315.2269@cubetech.com>
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sepelrastas.cs.tut.fi
In-reply-to: andrew@cubetech.com's message of 5 Nov 92 07:53:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.075315.2269@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes:

   That is totally false.  cooperative multitasking is _always_ more
   efficient than premtive MT, *especially* when you have many threads
   and the load is high.  Why?  There is far less overhead in a
   cooperative MT system.  One thread simply calls the yield function,
   the kernel sticks that thread at the end of the run-queue, and begins
   executing the thread at the head of the run-queue.

This may be true with the most systems selling today. Mostly due to the
fact that cooperative scheduling is made so much more simple (as often
is desirable). Were the functionality the same, then less overhad has
the system that call rescheduling less often. But the idea is correct.

   Mainly because in many situations, it's very difficult to process
   more events and continue doing whatever it was that you were doing.

Actually you can mask out any unwanted events and get only those of
immediate interrest (those relating to app switching).

   The bottom line is that cooperative mt is definitely more efficient
   that preemptive mt, but preemptive mt is far more _appropriate_ in a
   user environment where you can't count on every application to be a
   "good-guy" and yield the processor often.  This is why unix, and VMS,
   and VM, and MVS, and so on are all preemptive - they are designed to
   be used directly by users.

Exactly. And to add one more factor, it's good to have some sort of
police controlling what's going on in your machine. Programs may get
stuck sometimes, and then preemptivity really shines, since there is
much more bigger chance to terminate the stuck process than with
cooperative, where the app isn't responding in the first place. It's
like calling kill -HUP on unix, which in effect means: ahem, excuse me
app, but would you be kind enough and exit cleanly? There is good
reasons to have kill -KILL.

But then again, sometimes there are bugs in the OS that prevent even
that from having any effect, unfortunately. But that still is just one
potential app to get messed up, instead all potential user apps.
-- 
         Tero Nieminen                      DANGER!
         ttn@cs.tut.fi                   Computer Bytes!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:50:14 GMT

Andrew R. Southwick writes
> Hey, great!  Everyone should run out and buy a NeXT because
> they have a great development environment!  Even teachers and
> students writing term papers and people in the real world!  So
> they can program!
> 
NeXT does have a superb development environment.  But its also a  
great end-user machine if your needs include heavy-duty multitasking,  
number-crunching, and a well-integrated work environment.
Nobody is suggesting you need a NeXT to write memos.  If that's what  
you do, go get yourself a Mac Classic.

> There is more to using a computer than developing.  From a
> marketing standpoint, a great development environment is not
> a strong selling point.

You'd be surprised at how much a selling point it is on high-end  
machines.  Even in the Mac world, do you think more development takes  
place on Classics?
 
> Sure, it might appeal to people here
> on the net, but if the only people that buy NeXT's are
> programmers, then where can NeXT hope to go with their machines?

But you're right that they need more than development to be a huge  
success.  In fact, they have much more than just a superb development  
environment, although their marketing people don't seem to realize  
it.  I am one person who does absolutely no, zero, no development and  
wouldn't trade my NeXT is for anything else.

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (The Big Color Wolf)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!) SCROLL BARS
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:20:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.132256.1127@yvax.byu.edu> sean@digaudio.byu.edu writes:
>In article <4fl1rfh@rpi.edu>  writes:
>
>[regarding Apple's research into scroll bars]
>
>>Apples reseach contradicts you. Mere assertion won't chagne that.
>>Amiga scroll bars may be better overall (I wouldn't know), however.
>
>
>Since Apple does non-expanding scroll bars, that Apple would find the  
>expanding type "non-intuitive" is not what I'd call "good science" :-)
>
>IMHO, expanding scroll bars make more sense.  Apple should use them.

I would like to add my 2 cents:

In 		OS/2
		Windows 2/3.x
		OpenWin
		NeXT
			etc.
The scroll bars scrolls the window REAL-TIME! i.e. When you HOLD the scroll bar
WHILE moving, the contents of the window MOVE at the SAME time.

This is a feature which EVEN a 80286 running windows 3.0 has. I wonder WHY this 
CANNOT be incoporated into the MAC OS? 

LIFE would be much easier with REAL-TIME scroll bars.
							Sincerely yours,
							Julian CHANG
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From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:16:17 GMT

In article <j!f12wm@rpi.edu> Daniel Norman Johnson responds:
 
In article <1992Nov1.041154.735@seldon.fdn.org> (Thierry CHARLES) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct21.003624.28831@javelin.sim.es.com> mmunson@animal.es.com  
|> (Mark Munson) writes:


|> MM> Application Support (QuickTime, HyperCard)
|> MM>
|> HyperCard is great, but IB is far more powerful and more future oriented: it
|> is fully integrated with the system

DJ> Hypercard and Interface Builder are qurie different. (what either has
DJ> to do with QuickTime I dont know). Hypercard is for dabblers, basically-
DJ> its not a real programming environment. Interface Builder goes all the way.

When I was writing the original advocacy post, I wanted to cite Apple's
support for new software technologies.  Word processor programs can now
include real-time video (just like clip-art) via QuickTime.  Even sound
information can be attached to a document.

When Hypercard was first introduced, the idea of Hypermedia and do-it-yourself
GUI applications was revolutionary.  Even today, Apple is introducing new
concepts into the personal computer industry.  Have you wondered what the
microphones that are standard equip. on Macs are for?

[MGM]
From: Penny@brownvm.brown.edu (Penny Theodore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Performa 600
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:24:47 GMT
Organization: Brown University CIS
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx7.cis.brown.edu
X-Poster: Nuntius v1.0b8

There are two (important) differences between the Performa 600 and the
There are two (important) differences between the Performa 600 and the
There are two (im
orma 600 does not.
Penny@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au (Richard Barry Ling)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:34:24 GMT

mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson) writes:

> In article <1992Nov6.085209.26824@cs.uow.edu.au> Richard Barry Ling responds:

>    > Apple does MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of testing. I suspect Apple spends more on
>    > testing then Commodore makes yearly.

> RL> If only they spent it on the right things.  It's nigh on ten years since the
> RL> Mac was developed and the most powerful 68040 Mac still can't format a
> RL> floppy in the background.

> Floppies?  You still use floppies? :)

  Yep.  I'm merely an unemployed uni student, and I can't afford a hard
drive...  :-(  Much though I would like one, I don't really need it, due to
most Amiga applications being very efficient with disk and memory space.

  My computer has a 68000 processor, only 1 meg of RAM, and two 3.5" floppy
drives.  Yet I'm constantly amazed at how it can flog the pants off Macs and
IBM's efficiency-wise, even though those others often have 80 meg hard
discs, 6 or 8 meg of RAM, and the latest fastest processors.

  There is honestly nothing like the IBM's "operating system" and
applications to chew up memory and disk space by the megabyte.  The Mac is
somewhat better.  Nevertheless, give me my Amiga any time.  An OS with GUI
in 256k - compare that with OS/2 or Windoze...

>[MGM]

________________________________
Richard.  u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Sculley considered for Clinton's Sec. of Commerce
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:54:14 GMT

maynard@groo.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:

>>Nope, Perot owns 13% of NeXT. Still a smart man.
>>
>>Clinton doesn't want Sculley (maybe Coke does though). 
>>Clinton wants the head of HP.
>>

>Right, the guy who endorsed Bush. I'll believe that when I see him
>appointed, no earlier.

  No that was founder Packard (who endorsed Bush).  Current CEO
John Young endorsed Clinton.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
"...there is only one thing worse than having marketing people on a project,
 and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:20:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:

>First, even if a monitor and keyboard are not included, a good monitor
>and keyboard can be added with a total of less than $4000.  From my price
>list, an Apple 14" Display is $495 and an Apple Extended Keyboard II is
>$160.  This totals $3882.  Notice that this is a big, high quality monitor
>and a nice keyboard.  Also, notice that these are Apple peripherals, and,
>therefore, more expensive than 3rd party equivalents, so a system can be 
>found for less.

You forgot about your lovely SCSI harddisk... it isn't too fun to have
a Mac without harddisk, you know...


Note: I am not looking down upon a Mac Quadra (I have daily access to
      Q700s).  They are awesome Macs.  Nonetheless, they are too expensive..

      maybe the Centrincs(sp?) will be more affordable.  

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: arsouth@watson.ibm.com (Andrew R. Southwick)
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!) SCROLL BARS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:58:48 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: arsouth@watson.ibm.com (Andrew R. Southwick)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Nov11.192028.22300@news.Hawaii.Edu> guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (The Big Color Wolf) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.132256.1127@yvax.byu.edu> sean@digaudio.byu.edu writes:
>>In article <4fl1rfh@rpi.edu>  writes:
>
>In             OS/2
>               Windows 2/3.x
>               OpenWin
>               NeXT
>                       etc.
>The scroll bars scrolls the window REAL-TIME! i.e. When you HOLD the scroll bar
>WHILE moving, the contents of the window MOVE at the SAME time.
>
>This is a feature which EVEN a 80286 running windows 3.0 has. I wonder WHY this 
>CANNOT be incoporated into the MAC OS? 
>                                                       Julian CHANG

Just for those people out there who summarily decide that Mac's are a piece of
because the scroll-bars don't scroll the window in real-time:

You see the note re: NeXT above.
OS/2 scroll bars do not scroll the window in real time.  It will for some
applications, but not for all. It depends on the application, and how it wants
to respond to the controls.

It is also possible for an application to respond in real-time to scroll bars.
POSSIBLE.  Please, no flames from Mac-haters who insist on insulting the OS and
our intelligences at the slightest provocation.  Julian Chang has normally been
a reasonable poster, but the shouts about this feature not being possibly
implemented in the Mac OS are misleading.

SOCIALISM: You have two cows. Give one to your neighbor.

--------------------------------------------------------------
My views are my own; behaviorists can stick THAT up their ***!
Andrew R. Southwick