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From: glover@credit.erin.utoronto.ca (Mike Glover)
Subject: Re: Really stupid questions
Organization: University of Toronto, Erindale Campus
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:39:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.085204.10316@leland.Stanford.EDU> dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.043623.23417@credit.erin.utoronto.ca> glover@credit.erin.utoronto.ca (Mike Glover) writes:
>>>3) Which shell is better?  I am currently using /bin/csh, but people keep
>>>   telling me that I should use the Bourne shell. /bin/sh
>>Heres a horseshoe in your world...How about tcsh.  I believe it to be the best
>>shell I have run across yet.  I have used sh/csh/tcsh/ksh.  Of all of them
>>I believe tcsh to be heads and shoulders above the rest.   If you are doing
>>shell programming I prefer sh (but thats a personal choice)
>
>I agree with your answers to all 4 questions, including your
>recommendation of tcsh. All I disagree with is your statement
>that for shell programming you prefer sh as a personal choice.
>
>Nope. No personal choice here. sh is flat out better than csh. 
>See Tom Christiansen's article "C Shell Programming Considered 
>Harmful" for some reasons why.

I was reluctant to recommend a programming shell with Perl becoming so
popular.  I agree sh programming is far superior to csh.  But from what
I understand sh barely holds a flame to Perl programming.  (I've just
started Perl programming and I really like it alot)

Just my $0.02.  :)

ttfn,
	Mike
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From: ylu@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: How NOT to save killed/junked files?
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:38:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

It looks like a FAQ, but after rummaging through rn(1) and The FAQ, it
has no answer yet. Here is the detailed question:

In rn, when you enter a newsgroup, rn will look up kill files (global
or specific) and will not display (by =) those items killed by the kill
files. After you junked an item, it will not be displayed either.
Problem arise when you use "range{,range}s" esp. "1-$:s fname" to save
a bunch of items.  It will save all the item within the range INCLUDING
the 'invisible' killed or junked items! Nobody want to save
killed/junked items. It is definitely a BUG rather than a feature of
rn. But is there a simple workaround in rn?

Any hints/suggestions would be appreciated.
If there are enough requests, I'll post the summary of the answers.

--Luke



Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: hunt@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com (Greg Hunt)
Subject: Re: <defunct> Zombies
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:12:54 GMT
Reply-To: hunt@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <6JwuVB11w165w@iowegia.uucp>, kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
> I'm learning to manage a Wyse 9000i running Wyse's Sys V Unix, and have
> a question concerning zombie processes. A few days ago, the current
> admin rebooted the machine to clear out some processes he described as
> "defunct". I asked how you see these processes, and he said to use ps.
> 
> So I did. And I read up in the man pages about ps. The process state 'Z'
> means the process is in zombie state, and that it is finished but the
> parent process has not begun waiting for it. If it does in fact even
> HAVE a parent process, the process is marked as <defunct> in the
> listing. So I'm thinking, the mere fact the process is marked defunct
> means it has a parent that very well may come a' lookin' for the zombie.
> Am I right?

Right.  Glad to see you were curious enough to read up on things for
yourself.

> Are zombie processes really a problem, and if so, can't the kill command
> be used to get rid of them? I hate the idea of rebooting the machine all
> the time and don't think it is needed.

They can be a problem if the parent creates lots of child processes and
never waits for the completion status from them.  This will eventually
fill up the process tables, and then no more processes will be able to
be created on the system.

The right way for any parent process that creates children to handle
this is to remember to wait for the completion status of each child
at some point.  Various calls are available to do this, including
wait(2) and waitpid(2).  There are options for pending until any child
completes, pending until a specific child completes, or not pending if
no children have completed recently.

If the parent of a child exits, then the child will be adopted by the
init process.  The init process periodically wakes up and will get the
completion status of adopted children, and then those zombies will
disappear.

The kill command can't get rid of a zombie, because the process is
already dead.  They shouldn't consume many resources, just a slot in
the process table and whatever is needed to return the completion
status. The only ways to get rid of them are to have the parent wait
for the zombie, or rebooting the system.

Rebooting the machine to get rid of zombies is quite extreme, and in
my opinion means that there is at least one parent process on the
system that isn't following the rules.  It should be found and fixed.

Hope this helps.

-- 
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DG/UX Core Development
Data General Corporation
Research Triangle Park, NC, USA      These opinions are mine, not DG's.
From: 2760carpente@vms.csd.mu.edu (METALLICA)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Really stupid questions
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:48:38 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2760carpente@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

I have a few really stupid questions.  Feel free to laugh at me, but I would
really appericiate it if someone could take the time to answer my question.
I spent 4 years working with VMS and DOS/WIN3 but now I want learn about UNIX. 
I have seen the errors of my way.... 
1) I have a file .plan in my root dir.  How do I set it up to display everytime
   somebody fingers me.
2) How do I set up my .sig file to append to all my messages?  What mailer is 
   better: elm or vanilla mail
3) Which shell is better?  I am currently using /bin/csh, but people keep
   telling me that I should use the Bourne shell. /bin/sh
4) Is the faq for this group at pit-manager.mit.edu?

Thank you.... 
It did say comp.unix.questions??????

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: daniel@isluga.puc.cl (Daniel Hirschberg)
Subject: maybe another stupid question: cookie server
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:00:19 GMT

	Does anybody know where i can get a cookie server daemon for
sun?
	If there's anyone who can iluminate me in this topic i would
really apreciate it!

  thx in advance

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From: terenas@vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: SCO UNIX/XENIX device driver
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:51:43 GMT

Hi,
I am looking for a device driver that enables SCO UNIX/XENIX to
communicate with an IBM ARTIC Multiport/A Adapter.
Does this exist ?

(please reply directly. I'm not on this list)

Thanks,

Frederico Terenas              "The opinions herein expressed are
terenas@vnet.ibm.com            mine, not my employer's"
FTERENAS at SANVM1
IBM de Chile
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: ray@Celestial.COM (Ray Jones)
Subject: Re: Doing mail lists.
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:20:24 GMT
Keywords: mail list, aliases

In <1992Dec12.160017.5528@linus.mitre.org> bdickens@elara.mitre.org (Brian Dickens) writes:

>Hi everyone...

>I am trying to get a text file mail list into a UNIX usable format.  The way the list was sent
>was something like this:

>alias bob 	blah@blah.blah.blah
>alias phil	blah@blah.blah.blah
>alias mary	blah@blah.blah.blah

>alias bp		bob phil
>alias bpm	bob phil mary
>alias mb	mary bob

>Is there some sort of "Mailing list" that uses this format?  Some kind of .mailalias file or
>something?  I assume the list came straight off a UNIX machine.

Looks like my "elm" alias to me.  elm is a public domain mail front end for
UNIX.  BTW, elm is great!
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From: Jeremy Bettis <jbettis@cse.unl.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: failure by negation
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:19:35 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

gil@cse.ucsc.edu (Elmer Fudd) writes:

>here's the program....

>#! /bin/csh -f
>echo "hello 1"
># how do i negate this?
>test -f alive.n.well || exit
>echo "hello 2"

This will do it also... change && to || as I did up there.
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From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Distribution: world
Subject: Looking for 386BSD FAQ
Keywords: FAQ BSD
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 14:01:06 +0100

I'm looking for a FAQ for 386BSD (or BSD386, whichever it is. .  .   .    )

Could someone point me to it, or mail it to me?  Thanks.

-John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider)
Subject: Re: Help with Xlib port for the amiga
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:40:31 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO
Keywords: Xlib

In article <1992Dec18.125856.591@fwi.uva.nl> solorzan@fwi.uva.nl (Valik Solorzano (I88)) writes:
>After making a program in a Sun Workstation using gcc(2.2.2) as compiler, and
>Xlib, I tried to compile the same program on my Amiga. While compiling nothing
>went wrong, but when I get to the link part I get the following errors:
>
>gcc:lib/libX11.a(obj.0060.793272): Undefined symbol _socket referenced from text
> segment
>gcc:lib/libX11.a(obj.0060.793272): Undefined symbol _connect referenced from tex
>t segment

I too have had this problem.  You need to include the -lnls and -lsocket
libraries I believe.  BUT!  When I included them, I was still gettin the
undefined symbol for a few things includeing 'setnetconfig()' and that
family, 'inet_ntoa()' and 'gethostname()'.  I think that somehow my libraries
got a bit corrupted.  But I have no idea how...  I ended up having to write
versions of these functions to get this program to link.

Anyone have any suggestions as to why these functions don't seem to be on my
machine?  I used 'nm' to check ALL the libraries on the system and there
wasn't a 'setnetconfig' anywhere to be seen.  I also tried to LINK IN EVERY
LIBRARY on the system.  Still gave the unresolved message.

Sean
From: keven@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keven Ring)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: RZ & SZ
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:17:16 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

I am using kermit under amix.  If I want to download something, It has to be
done with the kermit protocol (as far as I understand...)  How do I go about
downloading with ZMODEM while using kermit, or is it impossible? If, through
Kermit, it is impossible, then is there another term program that someone has
actually compiled/ran under UNIX (running 2.01, but can get 2.1), and if
so, where can I get me a copy?  I had something new that had ZMODEM supported
in it, but I couldn't get it to compile.  
I have the SZ and RZ source code, and it compiles OK (It gives a few invalid
passing of pointers, but i think that they are for debugging purposes)

Thanks in advance...

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)
Subject: Looking for graphic cards
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:13:16 GMT

Hi to everybody,

I am running AMIX 2.1 on my A3000, and plan to switch to a bigger color-
monitor, which I want to use with X-windows...

Could anybody mail/post me, what kinds of graphic cards are currently
available, how good they are supported by X (the TIGA-server ?), their
availability (especially in Switzerland :-) ) and what kind of output
they produce ? (rgb, or whatever, 50,60,70,80Hz and so on :-)
Maybe their actual 'speed' in picture preparation would be interesting
too ?

Any help in this rather expensive topic would be very welcome !
Friendly greetings,
	  Germano Caronni

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: sidor+@pitt.edu (George Sidor)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Question:  How do I connect using SLIP?
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:10:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.amiga
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: sidor@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

I recently got AmigaNOS 2.9 with DiallingAmigaNos.  I followed the
instructions for automatic dialling using the DaillingAmigaNos program.
I manage to get the modem to dial and connect to the local server.
Then it just sits there and eventually times out.  I am connecting using
a SupraModem 2400 plus with V.42bis and MNP5.  In SLIP:NOS-Startup
and in TCPIP:NOS-Startup I specify a baud rate of 9600 for the attach
command since I am connected with error correction and compression.
I've tried looking at the docs for all the commands that come with
AmigaNos and really can't figure out what to do.  I eventually want
to get GfxBases X-windows program.  When I am at the local server (
a DECServer) I can either type (c gate, TELNET, c machine-name) or
just (TELNET ip-address of machine).  If anyone knows how I can
connect using SLIP, please E-mail me or post to the net.  Thanks in advance.

sidor@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu			George Sidor
From: jcmurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeff Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: linus ????
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:36:27 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <6DJqVB5w165w@willard.UUCP> ninja@willard.UUCP writes:
>
> 
>   what is linus ????
> 

	wasn't he the guy in Peanuts that always carried around a
blanket???

(sorry... couldn't resist...)



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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Subject: Re: RZ & SZ
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:00:10 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19

keven@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keven Ring) writes:

>I am using kermit under amix.  If I want to download something, It has to be
>done with the kermit protocol (as far as I understand...)  How do I go about
>downloading with ZMODEM while using kermit, or is it impossible? If, through
>Kermit, it is impossible, then is there another term program that someone has
>actually compiled/ran under UNIX (running 2.01, but can get 2.1), and if
>so, where can I get me a copy?  I had something new that had ZMODEM supported
>in it, but I couldn't get it to compile.  
>I have the SZ and RZ source code, and it compiles OK (It gives a few invalid
>passing of pointers, but i think that they are for debugging purposes)

The Kermit software only supports the Kermit transfer protocol.
Assuming you have the new version on both ends [Kermit 5A(188)], it should be
relatively fast.
I don't know of any comm programs other than Kermit that work under amix.


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From: costesn@cbmfra.fr.so.commodore.com (Nicolas Costes France)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Is it worth buying AmigaUNIX ?
Date: 10 Dec 92 09:00:27 GMT
Reply-To: costesn@cbmfra.fr.so.commodore.com (Nicolas Costes France)
Organization: Commodore France

In article <1992Dec7.134246.18690@greco-prog.fr> mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr (Mendez Marc) writes:
>the lastest release. It took so much time because C= France didn't
>have any Unix Support, the kernel on the tape was configurated for 16Mb
>of memory, the dealer contacted by my dealer didn't know a lot of this
>about Unix, ...... and above all, because C= France had only two
>streamers whose one of them was internal (they didn't have time to
>
>Mendez Marc (mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr)

Well, may be we should go now for e-mail.
But I would like to advertise our existence !!!
I am the Amiga support manager in France, and I am in charge of the Unix program
as well. We do not have many resource (the thing about the two streamers is true),
but nonetheless, we are trying to support znyone who bought AMIX from us.
It is also true thatn previous versions of AMIX (v 1.x) were quite inefficient and
bothersome to configure, and that most of ou dealers were unable to sell/support
AMIX.
The best thing for you would be to mail me a note, and we'll see what we can do.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: ler@lerami.lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Subject: Keith's SL.C driver and fix to same does *NOT* work
Summary: Any Ideas?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:41:58 GMT
Organization: Larry Rosenman's personal SVR4 Box
Keywords: sl.c driver missing characters/blocks 

the below text is my summary to Keith as to what happens...

Any ideas?
--------------included text------------------------------
the one line fix helps some what but is still unusable 

outbound Kermit works, but UUCP seems to have a problem as well as login.

login seems to lose the last few characters (last block?)

UUCP doesn't seem to send out the last block (char/the \n). 

Any ideas?
----------------end included text------------------------


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From: rhealey@dellr4.digibd.com (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: ECS X-windows
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:45:47 GMT
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN

In article <143396@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, greggs@izar.nersc.gov (Gregg D. Schoenberger) writes:
|> 	Could be, but hardware tweekers do seem to do amazing stuff with
|> plain 'ol ADos or a naked machine, why not here? Given a single-threaded
|> nature of the device driver ( contention-wise ), some things not legal under
|> ADos might be legal here. Of course sticking to whatever guidelines are
|> available should be done....
|> 
	Take a look at the console, graphics and video code in the kernel
	source under /usr/src. It's a very interdependant web of twisty
	passages all alike... I.e. you can't just tweek here and there,
	alot of stuff is interrelated in subtle ways.

|> 	Yes, conceded point. But why not make ECS/AGA capabilities available,
|> especially since I recall being told that a native Color-X would be
|> done (long ago). Besides, not everyone has buckets of cash, they might
|> need some for memory/disk. Slow color may have a niche in this market,
|> why not exploit it? Could serve as a teaser to inspire someone to get
|> a separate card/monitor/desk-to-hold-it/power-substation-to-run-it-all. ;-)

	The ECS modes change timing inside the kernel and that could do nasty
	stuff to UNIX... Maybe the people who did the work could elaborate?

	If it wasn't a pisser to do it would have already been done.

		-Rob
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Re: Slip problem
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:03:57 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

matt@verdix.com (Matthew Davis) writes:

>I set the netmask to 0.  Nothing changed.  Still getting Network Unreachable.
>Any other suggestions?

1.  *never* set the netmask to 0 (unless AMIX sets it by using ICMP request ?)

2.  the netmask is directly related to the ip# of the amiga and what sort
    of subnet its on

3.  "Network unreachable" is a routing problem. check your routes using
    "netstat -r"

4.  to add routes, et al, read the man pages for route, netstat and anything
    else related. ifconfig is something you should check up on and study.

darren

p.s. you should be able to work out what your netmask should be from your
     broadcast address.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga
From: crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Subject: Re: Help with Xlib port for the amiga
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:48:04 GMT
Reply-To: crash%ckctpa@myrddin.sybus.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Organization: Edwards & Edwards Consulting

seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider) writes:
>I too have had this problem.  You need to include the -lnls and -lsocket
>libraries I believe.  BUT!  When I included them, I was still gettin the
>undefined symbol for a few things includeing 'setnetconfig()' and that
>family, 'inet_ntoa()' and 'gethostname()'.  I think that somehow my libraries
>got a bit corrupted.  But I have no idea how...  I ended up having to write
>versions of these functions to get this program to link.
>
>Anyone have any suggestions as to why these functions don't seem to be on my
>machine?  I used 'nm' to check ALL the libraries on the system and there
>wasn't a 'setnetconfig' anywhere to be seen.  I also tried to LINK IN EVERY
>LIBRARY on the system.  Still gave the unresolved message.

But did you run "nm"?  If I run "nm /usr/lib/libnsl.so | fgrep netconfig",
one of the lines of output is "setnetconfig".  Looks to me like you
included the libraries on the link command line in the wrong order.
Try "-lsocket -lnsl".

>Sean
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