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From: bkannan@ha10.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: e:  NY Times Letter to Editor 12/31/92 About 1947, Ayodhya, etc.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:35:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



prem@prem.lbl.gov (xyz) writes:

>I beg to differ about the orientation of Mr. Mufti's head.

       O.K, let's reorient it and talk :-)

>He might be wrong in his views, but the fact remains that he
>has been far more successful in propagating his views than
>you have been. So, even if his view is askew, he achieved
>what he had set out to do, which was to spread his mis-information
>around.

        Agreed!

>The difference is that Mufti mia's letter was read by millions
>of people, some of whom are influential in commerce, industry
>and politics, whereas our discussion is read largely by a
>non-voting, immigrant student populace that has little wealth,
>less power and no influence.

       Cd that be helped? :-) On a serious note, newsgroups
       are a powerful enuff medium in influencing public
       opinion across universities.[however,the maj. reading sci
       cd be just indians]. since the article was reproduced
       in *this* forum, it was not worthwhile ignoring it :-)

>If we really wish to combat this kind of sponsored  propaganda,
>the best way is to write to NYT itself and get our opinions
>aired in the same forum.

       Not a bad idea. Involves devoting time/energy. The immediacy
       of this medium *atleast* helps dispel such blatant half-truths
       about our society/country/politics that mr mufti and his
       friends [imran anwar?] very cheerfully spread around on a 
       smaller scale, however less significant the ones who read these
       r in the larger scheme of things.

       BTW, do they allow long threads on NYT? I shdn't think so :-)

>Jai Bharat
>Prem! <--- you like to leave with a BANG what? :-)


   bk

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Subject: Riots Paralyze Bombay for Seventh Night
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:50:20 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Keywords: Riot Bombay

apnews reports:
	   BOMBAY, India (AP) _ Thousands of terrified people jammed
railway stations today, trying to escape Hindu-Muslim riots that
have killed more than 130 people in the past week and lit up the
night sky with fires.
	   At least three people were reported killed overnight in the
violence that has spread from slums to the rich neighborhoods of
this city of 12 million, India's commercial center.
	   Police reported 137 deaths in the city as of Monday. Other
reports based on hospital records put the death toll at more than
200.
	   ``I don't know when this madness will end. All I can say is we
are doing all we can,'' said S.K. Bapat, the chief of Bombay
police.
	   The riots that began last week are the second spasm of
Hindu-Muslim violence to erupt in two months. More than 1,200
people died in a week of nationwide riots in December after Hindu
zealots destroyed a mosque in the town of Ayodhya that they believe
had been built on the birth site of a Hindu deity.
	   The mosque destruction was sponsored by the Hindu nationalist
Bharatiya Janata Party, whose leader today appealed for peace.
	   ``This killing of innocents makes me ashamed. We would like to
appeal to all _ Hindus and Muslims alike. This should stop,'' L.K.
Advani said in New Delhi.
	   United News of India said a city councilman from the governing
Congress Party was killed by a mob today. He apparently was with a
police patrol heading toward a burning shanty area.
	   The fire department received 85 emergency calls through the
night as gangs of Hindus and Muslims raided each other's territory
despite the deployment of paramilitary forces and police.
	   More than 1,700 people have been arrested for acts of violence
and another 2,200 have been put under preventative detention,
United News reported.
	   Authorities do not give a breakdown of the victims, but some
reports said Muslims were the main targets.
	   ``There has virtually been a pogrom declared against Muslims,''
said the Times of India in an editorial. ``Only homes, shops and
cars belonging to them have been singled out for attack, which
bears the stamp of a systematic vendetta.''
	   The current violence, which largely has been limited to Bombay,
apparently flared at the instigation of the Shiv Sena, a radical
Hindu group.
	   Advani, the nationalist leader, said Bombay's rioting was not
related to the events in Ayodhya, where his party supported the
campaign by radical Hindu groups to have the mosque removed.
	   Advani was arrested with five other leaders of his party soon
after the mosque was demolished and charged with provoking
religious hatred. He was released Monday without explanation.
From: ar_jolly@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: 60 minutes on CBS
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:15:28 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1993Jan7.170115.12752@bnr.ca>, uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
> It seems Islamic tradition are great but only for the male 
> members. If I recall the women in India (Hindus included) are
> are treated fairly poorly. I would like the Parliament of India
> to have 50% seats reserved for women and we they should adopt
> a  UN or Canadian type "Charter of Rights" for everybody
> regardless to religionious beliefs BUT we have to wait for BJP 
> type Govt to come into power because Congress is too weak and
> has no platform to stand on....Jai Hind

Women in India certainly do not have a position of equality, and that
is not only unjust but a terrible reality of Indian society.
What I fail to understand is how a "BJP type" of govt will resolve
anything. Not only has the party been misguiding the Indians but it
has created a sense of fear and hatred in the Indian community that
is just not tolerable. The destruction of the Mosque was a vile act.
If the BJP members have the honor and the integrity to be members of
parliament, they must also understand that the India was founded on
Democratic principles and not on principles of Barbarism as the BJP
advocates. 
Inciting the masses in the name of religion is wrong. If the members felt
and they surely did feel..that the mosque did not belong there, they 
should have taken the appropraie democratic steps. They certainly did
not have the mandate of the people in their act. 
The destruction of the temple was an shameful act, not only for the 
Hindus but for all civilized society. We have to remember that solutions
are never discovered on the battlefield. The BJP is a fundamentalist
party and has no place in modern society. 
Hindus should be proud of their heritage and cultre, as it is no doubt
 a great world religion, but we must act like members of a great faith also,
and by destroying mosques in the name of religion is no way to display
that. 
Reservation of seats in the govt or at any level of society will have 
its repurcusions, and it is not the most suiatable form of alleviating
the standard of women in our society. By passing legislation to promote
educational levels, and by other means of social legislation, the level
of women will increase...but certainly not by the incumbency of a 
fundamentalist, fanatic, and ignorant party such as the BJP. The BJP is
a disgrace not only to India but to Hinduism also, and such parties
are at best shortlived.
			sincerely,
				Arjun Jolly
From: ma@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Help: Travel info to India needed.
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:43:44 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hi, Indian Friends,
  A friend is going to India for a business related trip. But she may want
to do a little bit sightseeing. As I know, she is going to New Delhi and 
the time is very limited, may be just couple of days. Could someone here
provide some travel informations, such as hotel and accommondation, tourist
attractions, precautions , etc.? Any information is appreciated. Please e-mail
me or post.
  Thanks.
Ma
ma@cc.usu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: I know who post anonymous
Organization: -
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:09:55 GMT

an5372@anon.penet.fi:

      >That why write in Lakhanlish. 

That should be Lakhanese. :)

      >Too many chacko's on the net. 

No. It is too many Ram Lakhans on the net. With the anonymous
server there seems to be more Ram Lak^Han clones than Elvis 
impersonators, in spite of the new stamp release.  :)

-Raghavan, V.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Subject: Despo scene!! 
Reply-To: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:24:25 GMT

 I read this newsgroup after quite awhile today. Looks like despos have taken
over this newsgroup. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Sameet's Hypocracy
Date: 4 Jan 1993 01:31:31 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

>   A coward Pakistani swine like yourself will blame Dr.Banerjee. I know
>   him pretty well and is sure that he cannot do this. BTW, by knowing what
>   you wrote, I think that you are Mr.Shams Hasan - with whom I had serious
>   disagreements plus Samit. 
This game of blaming a person who everybody knows cannot post such filth
was played around a year back in SCP. The tactics is nothing new. 
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mahadev@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Vadali Mahadev)
Subject: Inexpensive Sublease In PURDUE...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:25:47 GMT



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: siddiqui@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Query: Dual Citizenship
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:20:01 GMT

I would appreciate it if someone could provide me with information
regarding dual citizenship (Indian/Canadian).  Has Indian Parliament
passed the law? Thanks.
Afzal Siddiqui
(Siddiqui@uwovax.uwo.ca)









Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: Pandit Birju Maharaj in N.America
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:14:40 GMT


Pandit Birju Maharaj along with his company will be touring North America
for the months of June and July, 1993. If you would like to organise a
performance, workshops, lecture-demonstrations and/or master classes
of Kathak Dance, Tabla, and vocal music, please contact :

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc.
c/o Rita Mitra Mustaphi
5444 Orchard Avenue No.
Crystal, MN, 55429

Ph # : (612)537-8291

			Pandit Birju Maharaj
			****** ***** *******

Pandit Birju Maharaj is the recipient of "Padma Vibhushan" - the highest
Presidential Award for achievements. He is a master choreographer, renowned
composer, vocalist and percussionist. He represents the seventh generation
of hereditary storytelling dancers. He was the invited choregrapher at the
American Dance Festival in 1991.

Nritya Jyoti Dance Inc., Crystal, MN, will arrange for a grand tour of
the dance master along with his company of dancers and musicians.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: Letter from finland
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:35:48 GMT

It seem there are a few "emotionally" distrubed people posting
news items in SCI. I would like to tell them to "shove off" but
the hate and anger in their souls needs to be worked out. Perhaps
some psychologist may suggest a less "visible" method. I believe
it hurts the entire SouthAsian community to see this junk. Please
read soc.culture.china and see how polite the users are to each other.	
J.Singh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Re: Help. Need  NEWSTRACK video.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:22:56 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan11.203608.12453@clipper.ingr.com> hameed@clipper.ingr.com (Hameed Mohammed) writes:
>
>Hi.
>
>Looking for the recent Newstrack video. ( The news magazine from
>Living Media of India Today )
>
>Could anyone tell me of a place to buy it.

If you mean the one in which you'd expect to see footage of the Babri Masjid
destruction, this will disappoint you. The Censor Board came down on that and
censored it.

Sudhama
>
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Hameed.
>hameed@clipper.ingr.com


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From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: YAAAA HOOO !! YAAAAA HOOOO !!!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:26:10 GMT

an4329@anon.penet.fi (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM) writes:

>X-Anon-To: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan

>        YAAAAAAAA  HOOOOOOO !!    YAAAAAAAAA  HOOOOOOOO !!

>        CHAHE    KOI  MUJHE  JUNGLEE   KAHE

>        KEHENE   DO   JI   KEHETA    RAHE

>        HUM    PYAR     KE    TOOFANO   ME    GHIRE    HAIN

>                HUM      KYA    KARE   .........


>        YAAAAAAAAA  HOOOOOOOOO !!!!     YAAAAAAAAAAAA   HOOOOOOOOOO !!!
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>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
>and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.

	
	MUSTAFA FALLS IN LOVE FOR THE FIFTH TIME .

	HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

	ABEY SAALE CHAAR CHAAR BIVIAN GHAR ME HAIN , FIR BHI ASHIQ

	BANTA HAI . CHAARON BUDDHI HO GAI KYA ?

	HAR BAR BOLTA HAI :

		BAS EK SANAM CHAHIYE..... , ASHIQUI KE LIYE ...
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: New Scientist jokes
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:16:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

A few cute jokes recently published in New Scientist: (taken from sci.physics)


(1)
Q:  Why did the physicist fall out of the tree?
A:  He was dead.
Q:  Why did the second physicist fall out of the tree?
A:  He was stapled to the first physicist.
Q:  Why did the third physicist fall out of the tree?
A:  Peer pressure.

(2) Two sodium atoms are walking along the street, when all of a sudden,
the first one says to the second one, "Darn, I just lost an electron!."
The second one asks, "Are you sure?" to which the first replies, "I'm
positive."

(3) Three statisticians are duck hunting.  A duck passes overhead, and
the first one takes a shot and misses, about a yard to the left.  The
second one fires, but misses about a yard to the right.  "We got him!"
shouted the third.


Three guys are playing cards.  The first is a doctor, and says, "You
know, I think that a wife is much better than a mistress.  You don't have
to worry about sexually transmitted diseases in a monogamous relationship."
The second is a lawyer.  He says, "You're wrong.  A mistress is much 
better than a wife.  When your relationship gets stale, you just leave.
No alimony, nasty court battles, etc."  The third man is a physicist, and
he says, "You're both mistaken.  A mistress *and* a wife is best - because,
when your wife thinks you're with your mistress... and your mistress thinks
you're with your wife...  You can do more physics!




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: The Start of a New Beginning
Keywords: Ayodhya, Hindu, Muslim, secular, history, politics
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:54:47 GMT

(Manoj Ghayalod) writes:

>Then it is our right to destroy Pakistan, to save Hindus from living
>in an Islamic state, which is obviously discriminatory against them.

I did not say that it is right for Pakistan to poke its nose in India.
All I said was that it is silly of Mr Kamath to expect understanding
from muslims when he himself did not show any understanding of ex-Indians.

>Jinnah created a country on the principles of secularism
>which had a Muslim majority, Pakistan let down all non Muslims by
>declaring Pakistan as an Islamic state, so it would be hypocritical
>of them to try to be the spokesman of a minority group in another
>country just because that group happens to be Muslim.  

I have said this before on sci.  This is something about muslims that
hindus will probably never understand simply because it is a concept
that does not exist in their social makeup.  The feeling of brotherhood
with their co-religionists.  And that is the key to understanding the 
situation.  It is not "just because that group happens to be Muslim".  
The fact that the group happens to be muslim is the most crucial aspect 
of the situation.  Everything else is secondary.

>All Indian 
>Muslims who think that Pakistan is their brother are completly blind
>we all know how they treated their Bengali Muslims and how they are
>treating thier Sindhis and Mohajirs.  

That is for them to realize.  Not you and I.  If they prefer being
slaughtered by a particular group of people that is their prerogative.

>I agree with you here. You are quick to say that Indian Muslims and
>Pakistani Muslims are brothers, what about Indian Hindus and Indian
>Muslims?

Clearly Indian Muslims consider the muslims of pakistan their brothers.
And that feeling is reciprocated in word if not deed.  There is a symmetric 
relation there.  Do Indian Muslims feel that way about Indian Hindus?  
I don't think so.  And at this point, whatever Gandhiji may have said 
notwithstanding, we have not even been talking of them as brothers.  
Witness all the allegations of non-patriotism.  And the fault is not 
all theirs.  Feelings of brotherhood cannot be unilaterally imposed by 
one party.  It has to be symmetric.  And that is clearly lacking.

Anyway, I don't see how emotional feelings of brotherhood matter very
much unless you are accusing them of engaging in actual acts of treason.  
I mean its like if you fall in love with the girl who lives two streets 
away instead of the one who lives on the same block, would you feel guilty?  
Should you feel you had let your block down.  Why should it be considered 
wrong for a person to feel more at home with people who live a thousand 
miles away instead of those that surround him.

Sanjoy Ghosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Is Deb posting Anon letters/
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:10:02 GMT

f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:



>Dear Deb,
>   Technically speaking, can you prove that you are not that
>anon poster? You seem to be defending Mr. Banerjee. But who
>defends you. Aren't you inteligent enough to play this game?
>Try to understand that a group of people are trying to play this
>game. Those people can be any one? Including you.

>You and D. Bose appear to me as a anti Mustafa. You in particular
>are capable of doing it. Can you prove yourself?

>I can't prove against this aligation. It is impossible.

>So I propose that we all people collect signature and write to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the person in Finland, to stop this garbage. It is his responsibility.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	HEY HEY MR. SUPRATIC,

			KEEP YOUR IDEAS TO YOURSELF . WE KNOW WHAT

			KIND OF A GUY YOU ARE .

					DEEPAK





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:00:10 GMT

fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:

[ SHTOFF DELETED ]

>	Arre tum shaala hamein benefeet oph doubt deta hai? Hum to sir peet
>	ke chillata hai, " Hum U R A God ko bahut gaali-galla dega". ab tum
>	kya karenga? Us Deepak Bose ko Nallah mein phenkega? :)

>	FFT

	EE Phaphat kaa baachaa ,

			Tumi kee ulto-paltaa bolta haai . Homko kichu bhi

	shomojhta nehi parta haai .

		Tumko ki khoob maa choodane ka ichchaa hota ?

		Abe bolnaa hota ki nai hota ?

		Aami janta nishchoi hota .

		Tum ekta baat maatha me aachchi tarah dhooka leta ,



		jodi aapnaa maa choodane ka ichcha nahi hota

		to Bangalee se pangaa lena achcha nahi hota




		Kichu maatha me dhooka ke nai .

		Hom Bangali log khooooob denjarash hotaa hai .

		Jaadaa paangaa le she shoja khalash kor deta hai .

		o showar ka bachcha bol na , kichu boojhta ki nai .

		Toom Bangaali ko photphot korke ki shob ulta-paalta

		bolta , homko khoob gushshaa aata .

		Toom shaala haamaaraa naaam leke bhi khoob gaali

		detaa . Jish deen homko patience hara jayega ,

		hum tomko chchodega naai .

		Naao take thish aj a bharning ! Andarshtand , you Phool !


					DEEPOK :-)
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Article from 'The Hindu'
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:36:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <C0r4HA.331@news2.cis.umn.edu>, subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian) writes...
> 
> 
>______________________________________________________________________
>Excerpts from a News article from 'The Hindu: International Edition'
>dt.Jan 9th 1993.
> 
>		SADHUS NOW CLAIM JAMA MASJID ALSO
> 
> 
>	'Swami' Vamdev, the leading 'sadhu' of the Ayodhya agitation
>and the All India Sant Samiti today added Delhi's Jama Masjid to the
>list of mosques which, according to him," the Muslims must surrender
>voluntarily to the Hindus" before a stop is put to their agitation for
>restoration of temples destroyed during the Moghul rule.
> 
>	'Swami' Vamdev and other saffron-clad 'sadhus' in the Ayodhya
>movement have also taken upon themselves the task of recommending
>changes in the Constitution and the economic policies of the country.
>They have announced that at an All India Sant Sammelan at 'Prayag'
>(Allahabad) on January 25 they "will give direction to the country".
> 
>End Excerpt_____________________________________________________________

	Aur machao shor psuedo-secularists?

	If you make more noise, psuedo-secularists, that is what's
	going to happen.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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