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From: szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi)
Subject: Re: dill ka kush rakhnaa & Jagjit Singh
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:17:37 GMT

In article <716174690@flounder.cs.duke.edu>, azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
|> In article <4439@equinox.unr.edu> zafir@unssun.UUCP (Zia Zafir) writes:
|> >>Syed Zafar Kazmi writes:
|> >>|> In article <1992Sep3.170801.3545@athena.mit.edu>, anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
|> >>|> |> 	ADIL [humm ko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat, laikin
|> >>|> |> 	      dill kay kush rakhnay ko Ghalib, yeh khial aacha hai] NAJAM
|> >>|> Again, I take exception. The shayr is supposed to go like this:
|> >>|> 	Humm  ko  maaloom hai  jannat  ki haqeeqat, laikin
|> >>|> 	dill kay bahlanay ko Ghalib, yeh khayal achcha hay
|> >>|> Zafar Kazmi
|> 
|> >Zafar, with due apology your supposition is wrong here.  Adil Najam
|> >has written the sher correctly. 
|> >Zia Zafir
|> 
|> Many urdu-daans have informed us of the correct version of the
|> shair, but the skeptics shall remain skeptical. The point Zia Bhai
|> is that "Pakistanis: The Next Generation" trusts Jagjit Singh more
|> than yourself. It is unfortunate, but true, that when Jagjit corrupts
|> Ghalib's poetry, people believe him rather than yourself. The fact of
|> the matter is that most people would go to Jagjit's album rather than
|> Ghalib's devaan to authenticate your statement.
|> 
|> 	   Saying SubhanAllah, I remain....
|> 
|> 	   		 	    dsqa
 
Who is Jagjit Singh?

Zafar Kazmi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:31:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.184128.10932@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.072914.27434@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep10.024417.5116@sol.cs.wmich.edu>(Naveed
>> Sherwani) writes: 
>> 
>> 
>
>Mian Bholu Shahib:
>
>I agree with the spirit of your post. I took the previlige of

...... (stuff deleted)

>a different route. But ofcourse, for people who believe that he was 
>messenger of God, and that Islam is sent by God, this opinion would
>make little sense. However, some questions linger around ?
>
>If Allah[swt] choose to subsume Christianity/judaism, then why he/she/it did
>not subsume other religons EXPLICTLY ?  Mohd[pbuh] talks about those two
>religions but never about the religions that are farther from him. As a messenger
>of God he should have knowledge of all religions (existing or those
>which are evergoing to exist). That I believe is an interesting question?

Does Islam really claim God's omniscience? I remember having heard about prophet
Mohammad's conference with Allah to bring the amount of praying required to a
more acceptable level. If this is known to be true, then may be we are attaching
a lot of attributes with our god that were never really intended... just to
compete with other religions by saying 'Our god is stronger' :)

>
>Are there any religions mentioned by name that Mohd[pbuh] could not have
>heard of during his travels to palestine and syria. Actually all new
>world religions were unknown at that time.
>
>The net effect of subsuming has been that muslims do not even consider
>other religions (other than christianity/judaism) as religions. Most
>muslims do not think that hinduism is a SERIOUS religion. Ofcourse,
>religions of Yamomoto, Hoppi and Siou are definitely considered hanky panky.
>This lack of respect of other religions is what others (non-muslims)
>find very ego-tistical (sp?) about muslims.
>
>BTW, christians/jews also have similar attitudes making them equal offenders
>in this game of intolerance.
>
>regards,
>
>-Naveed
>
.... (stuff deleted)

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:20:42 GMT

In article <Bu56sn.KF7@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep6.035153.20010@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:

|> >|> out by you. For a hypothetical heavan, the hypothetical gift in the form of
|> >|> a hoor as an incentive for a heterosexual male is hardly a good motivation,
|> >     ^^^^^
|> >What is `hoor' ?

|> Hoors are pure virgins who would serve the men in Heavan as a reward for`
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> living a pious clean life on Earth. 

What is the difference between `PURE virgins' and `IMPURE virgins' ? ;-)

regards,
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From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Memon) writes:
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:43:02 GMT

Some questions.  Do we really maintain our sexual identity after death?
Do  we really remain male and female in heaven or hell? If so, how does 
one tell the gender of a soul? One can not exactly examine  the  nether
regions of a soul, or can one? Is what is mentioned in the Qura'n to be
taken literally, or is  it  meant  to  be  a  sexual  allegory  to  the
spiritual pleasures of the hereafter?

Kamal.

PS So far there has been only one positive response to whether I should
post excerpts from The Perfumed Garden.

--
"Love is kissing and the touching of the hands
Going beyond that is asking for a child."
                 A Bedouin singing at the gates of Basrah
                 "Akhbar al-nisa" by Ibn al-Jawzi
                 12th c. AD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Re: Satellite TV reception
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:58:57 GMT
Keywords: Satellite, TV, TVRO

Thank you for the input to my inquiry, I have a few more questions,
since I am unable to contact you directly, I will invite other SCPians
to contribute also.

In article <C2r-fg_@engin.umich.edu> smasudmz@bunsenhoneydew.engin.umich.edu (Sajjad Masud) writes:
>
>
>With a dish antenna, you can get to watch:
Is it a Ku or C type LNB.
>
>Star Plus
What type of programs are on this channel
>Chinese Channel
>MTV
Is it without subscribtion or In the clear
>Sports Channel
>BBC
Is this good to watch
>Russia
>One more channel (a less exciting one) from some far-eastern country
>
>This is with a dish 8ft. or less in dia.
>With a bigger dish you can watch a few more Chinese and Russian
>channels ( not much fun really ). Also CNN -- if you change the 
>direction of the dish.
>
>The cost varies from under 10k to 18, 19k. The bigger one (12ft. dia)
>costs more.
>
>The prices quoted should be close if not exact.
>
>Pakistan also has a satellite transmission, and I've heard that
>India is also starting one.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Ghazal Time...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:09:46 GMT


For all Faraz lovers:

Zakhm ko phool to sar sar ko sabaa kahtay hain
jaanay kiya dor hay kiya log hain kiya kahtay hain

kiya qiamat hay kay jin kay liay ruk ruk ker chalay
ab wo hi log hamain aabla-paa kahtay hain

ye bhi andaaz-a-sukhan hay kay jafa ko teri
ghamza-o-ishwa-o-andaz-o-adaa kahtay hain

jab talak door hay teri perastish ker lain
hum jisay choo na sakain uss ko khuda kahtay hain

kiya ta'ajub hay kay hum ahl-e-tammana ko Faraz
wo jo mahroom-e-tammana hain bura khatay hain       (Ahmed Faraz)


I like to thank Saad Ayub for providing this beautiful ghazal. He won our
semester's ghazal competition that we have each year on PakSA potluck day.
Good job Saad bhai. 

Atiya

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE AND NEW THEORIES
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:11:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.193646.9218@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> Murthy writes:
 
>In article <1992Sep10.173717.4158@twg.com> khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan) writes:
>>Salman Rushdie's 
>>novel was funded for the very same reason that many of us
>>are unaware of.     
>>
>>Picture this; a novel writer who is not even critically 
>>acclamed receives a grant to mass produce his novel from 
>>Penguin books.  This would seem a bit out of the normal.
>preserve the relics from the ultimate destruction? And I am dying to
>hear your next theory of the
>Christian-Hindu-Tao-Budhist-Amish-Gay-Lesbian nexus to displace Islam. 

You forgot to include "Jews" in above nexus. Actually accordiong to a popular
"Mullah" theory huge Rise of population in poor islamic countries, Somalian 
Famine, Bosnian Civil War, Flood in Pakistan and re-occuring floods in 
Bangladesh are all "Jewish" conspiracy to destroy islam :-).

According to another theory - Salman Rushdie is his adopted 
name. His actual name is Salford Rushieman- a dangerous "Jewish" agent 
of Mossad.  His only mission is to *destroy* islam. I am told that 
famous James Bond 007 now works for Salman Rushdie. And those of you
who have seen 007 films know how Bond single-handedly destroys everything....
I am so convinced of James Bond's power that I genuinely feel this time 
that islam is truely in danger :-).

According to another popular theory, Satanic Verses was actually written by
"Jews" and then they paid Salman Rushdie to put his name on the book so 
that it becomes popular and well accepted :-).

According to another poupular theory this guy called Salman Rushdie
has published a translation of Quran under the name of (fill any name
pickthal, holthal...etc:-) ). This is inaccurate as it says that 
that Hoors will be "female". This is not correct. New research on the meaning
of kuran has shown that "Hoors" served to pius muslims entering heaven 
will actually be by wide eyed "male" :-). "Jews" have alredy taken all
"hoors" from heaven to Israel.

And many such jewish conspiracies continue to come one after another.....

By till then,

bkumar
From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Email Karachi: Progress: Phone Installed: Testing Begins
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:23:09 GMT
Organization: Columbia University



Assalam Alaikum.  By the grace of Allah I am pleased to announce the
following good news. I have just been informed by my brother Dr Usman
Anwar in Lahore that my Karachi office phone line was installed today.
Shukar Alhamdolillah.

The phone number will hopefully be issued tomorrow. Testing will begin
immediately and the first tests will be conducted between Lahore and
Karachi, and Sialkot and Karachi.  This should not take too long as Ashar
Nisar is in Pakistan right now.

I expect to follow up with an "official" announcement of the number and
specs for you very soon.  In the meantime, my email address will be

imran@imran.ar.pk
imran@imran.pk

Thank you everyone whose words of encouragement, and suggestions, have 
been most useful in the last few weeks (when nothing was happening due
toi T&T and rain problems)

You do not have to wait for an "official" announcement on the net to inform
your friends and family about internet email in Pakistan. You can have
them contact:

Dr Usman Anwar
IMRAN-Net
3-J
Gulberg-III
Lahore-54660
Pakistan

(042) 830111, 830847
internet: usman@imran.ar.pk

The Karachi number will be announced as soon as available

Sincerely,



Imran Anwar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ASU Pakistani students in trouble
From: axavub@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:42:28 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Sep11.160509.3932@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, zafarha@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Haseeb Zafar) writes:
> About 20 Pakistani students came to Arkansas State University to do M.B.A. 
> through some programme.The director of intenational students is a Pakistani,
> he is giving trouble to all the new students, seems like he wants to make some
> money from them.
>  He says that he has got all the students to US on his responsibility. Now 
> when all the students are here, he says that no one can leave the campus 
> without his permission, he says that everyone has to give him the passport,
> $800,  return ticket  as a security that they dont have any plans to run away. 
> The students had to buy an open return ticket for one year which costed them
> $2100/-- or Rs.57000/--, he says if anybody is not going to follow his instructions 
> he will call the imigration, and the students will be deported. Dont you think 
> its harrasment in USA what he is doing, is it any law to keep the passport of 
> anybody , is it allowed under any circumstances what he is trying to do. 
> Is it possible That if someone doesnot give the passport he can call the immgration
> that Mr such and such has aplan to run away in the country, you think its fair to give him
> $800 as security.
>    Now here is the major problem, all the students in the programme have the 
> permission of three month internship, this director who is saying all this
> has the power to authorize the student for this internship, he says if someone
> will not follow his orders he is not going to give any permission to work.
> //
> //
> DO SOMETHING I THINK THE GUY IS HARRASSING THE NEW COMERS, THE GUYS ARE NEW
> THEY DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND THEY WILL KEEP ON DOING WHATEVER HE 
> SAYS. SOME GUYS DONT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THIS USELESS STUFF LIKE EXPENSIVE
> TICKET, SECURITRY DEPOSIT SO HE CAN EAT THE INTEREST ON THAT MONEY, AND WHY 
> SHOULD SOMEONE DEPOSIT HIS MOST PRIVATE DOCUMENT (PASSPORT) AND WHY THEY
> SHOULD GIVE HIM THEIR TICKET. HOW CAN HE SAY THAT HE CAN CALL THE IMMIGRATION
> AND THROW THE STUDENTS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. THE STUDENTS HAVE COMPLETE
> DOCUMENTATION, THEY ARE PAYING THE UNIVERSITY, THEY HAVE VALID J-1 VISA
> FOR ONE YEAR, CAN ANYONE DO SOMETHING, CAN ANYONE TELL WHETHER ITS LEGALLY
> RIGHT WHAT HE IS DOING, CAN WE TAKE ANY KIND OF ACTION. 
> 
> REPLY PLEASE YOUR BROTHER STUDENTS ARE IN PROBLEM
> 
> THANKS IN ADVANCE
> 
> Haseeb Zafar
> Lab Tech
> EcE Dept
> Drexel Univ
> Philadelphia
> PA,19104








        My dear Friend your best shot is to report the higher athourities of
the university and also the president of the university, raise this matter in
the campus newspaper, and also report and contact your embassy.......





                        Good Luck

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: smasudmz@bunsenhoneydew.engin.umich.edu (Sajjad Masud)
Subject: Re: Satellite TV reception
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:55:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Satellite, TV, TVRO
Originator: smasudmz@bunsenhoneydew.engin.umich.edu



With a dish antenna, you can get to watch:

Star Plus
Chinese Channel
MTV
Sports Channel
BBC
Russia
One more channel (a less exciting one) from some far-eastern country

This is with a dish 8ft. or less in dia.
With a bigger dish you can watch a few more Chinese and Russian
channels ( not much fun really ). Also CNN -- if you change the 
direction of the dish.

The cost varies from under 10k to 18, 19k. The bigger one (12ft. dia)
costs more.

The prices quoted should be close if not exact.

Pakistan also has a satellite transmission, and I've heard that
India is also starting one.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Subject: ......N.G.Near Story...(i.e. engineer story).....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:45:55 GMT

Here's another, supposedly, true account of the, supposed, great
sense of humour that engineers have ;-)

>>
>> On a stormy flight aboard a Boeing aircraft; an
>> off-duty airline stewardess is sitting next to a man in the grip of
>> serious white-knuckle fever as he watches, through his porthole, the
>> aircraft's wing bending and bouncing in the tempest.
>>
>> The stewardess tries to reassure him; she works in the industry and
>> flies all the time, she tells him.  There is nothing to worry about;
>> the pilots have everything under control.  "Madam," he replies, "I am a
>> Boeing engineer and we did not design this aircraft to do what it is
>> doing."
>>


	
	ADIL [......aur niklaiN gay ushhaq kay qaaflay.....] NAJAM
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: sex in hereafter (was Re: the terminator part n : )
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:21:20 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep5.082837.3438@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>From what I read, MEN who go to heaven will be serviced by young VIRGINs.
>(Seems like someone was letting their sexual fantasies run awild. No 
>mention is made if WOMEN are serviced by young STUDs).

	   Believe it or not, there are virgin men. Probably, not many in
US, but still are. ;-)

>Since most muslims are already guilty of interpreting Quran literally,
>you might as well add this too to your literal interpretations. 

	   Seems like we need to practise what we preach, Mr. Gagrawal. :-)

>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
 Femail - ?         

dsqa


-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
From: moeen@remus.rutgers.edu (MOEEN KHAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: mela
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:36:17 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


 A MELA IN NORWLK, CT AT THE NORWALK COMMUNITY CENTRE ON 

SEP 20, 1992
NOON - 9 PM
ACTIVITIES:
MEENA BAAZAR,
FASHION SHOW, 

AND    A                 MUSHAIRA,
		FROM 6PM - 9PM.

FOR MORE INFO CONTACT:

MOEEN@REMUS.RUTGERS.EDU
KHAN@PISCES.BITNET
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A Rousing Wellcome
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:34:58 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

  
Thousands of people turned out to greet President Rafsanjani of
Islamic Republic of Iran as he arrived in the Pakistani capital
Islamabad.  This historic wellcome has refreshened the memories of
the similar reception given to Ayatullah Ali Khamanai, then president
of Iran, when he had visited Pakistan.  Pakistani government had to 
take strict security measures at this occasion.

This great and historic reception is evidence of growing influence of 
Islamic Revolution in abroad.  It clearly shows that Islamic revolution
still rules the hearts of not only the Muslim people of Iran but of the whole
Islamic World also.  This rousing wellcome dashes the hopes of open
and hidden enemies (MUNAFIQIN) of Islamic revolution and warms the blood
of MOMINEEN ( believers).

regards,

Asad.
From: nash@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: TEST
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: nash@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Distribution: ut
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: nash@happy.cc.utexas.edu

TESTING

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From: szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi)
Subject: Re: terminator n+1 : Memo from Hell ;-)
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:17:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.170801.3545@athena.mit.edu>, anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:

stuff deleted....

|> 	ADIL [humm ko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat, laikin
|> 	      dill kay kush rakhnay ko Ghalib, yeh khial aacha hai] NAJAM

Again, I take exception. The shayr is supposed to go like this:

	Humm  ko  maaloom hai  jannat  ki haqeeqat, laikin
	dill kay bahlanay ko Ghalib, yeh khayal achcha hay

Zafar Kazmi
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From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Who is 'Uzayr???
Summary: 'Uzayer===== Ezra
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:48:52 GMT
Followup-To: Re: SUMMARY OF OLD PAGAN CULT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
>Subject: Re: SUMMARY OF OLD PAGAN CULTS
>
>In article <1992Sep4.104938.11749@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@wiener.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
>
>>Allah says in the Qur'an:
>>
>>	"The Jews call 'Uzayr a son of God',
>
>Who is 'Uzayr in English or Hebrew?

EZRA in English. Quran ref(9:30)

>Simon

Arshad
From: khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan)
Subject: Do not neglect Sunnah
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:05:20 GMT


This article is not mine.  It is being posted for a friend of mine.
Please direct all responses to khan@davidsys.com

Thanks,

Sharaaz Khan


--------------------------------------------------------------------


Assalamualaikum!

  Often I see brothers who pray at prayer time, but only
the Fard and not the Sunnah prayers. We must pay attention
to the Sunnah prayers, as Prophet Muhammad [saw] is
the door to Allah swt. You may not neglect this.

  If you were to only take the Holy Quran as a guide
and neglect the Sunnah, then you can go ahead and
even establish your own method of doing the salat.
Like what the Ismaili shias do: they just sit in
a Jamaat-khana and listen to a lecture as if in
a church. Their claim is that the Holy Quran does
not describe the salat, and so they are free to
do this!?

  The discipline is not complete without taking into
account the following two points:

1. The Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad [saw}.

2. The knowledges of the Awliyya'.

  The Awliyya' are the gateway to the Prophet [saw]
and the Prophet [saw] is the gateway to Allah swt.
This is the proper adab, and opens the door to
a deep understanding of Islam, than would be otherwise.
If you only acknowledge Tawhid but discard any
acknowledgment of the importance of the Prophet [saw]
then please note that the Jews do it also. But your
faith is not acceptable without acknowledgment of
the Rasul Allah [saw] and his Sunnah.
  On top of that, acknowledging the Awliyya' means
you acknowledge the system of the Divine Government
thru the mercy of our Lord.

                     was salam, Khalid Khan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Ghazal Time..
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:11:12 GMT



Tujhi say ibtayda hay to hi eik din intaha ho ga
sada-y-saaz ho gi or na saz bay-sadaa ho ga

humain maaloom hay hum say suno mayhshar main kiya ho ga
sub uss ko daykhtay hon gay wo hum ko daykhta ho ga

jahannum ho kay jannat jo bhi ho ga faisla ho ga
ye kiya kam hay humaara or unn ka saamna ho ga

azal ho ya abad donon aseer-a-zulf-a-huzrat hain
jidhar nazrain utthao gay ye hi eik silsila ho ga

Jigar ka haath ho ga hashr main or daaman-e-hazrat
shikayat ho kay shikwa jo bhi ho ga barmalaa ho ga	

(Jigar murad abadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan