HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: stupid people
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 19:14:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Robert Yang wrote:
>Once I was riding in traffic on my EX, during the day (I was on
>vacation) in full leathers, bike fully loaded (I was "sport-touring" :-),
>waiting at a light, and an older guy pulls up next to me in a tow truck,
>with a younger sidekick (presumeably he's trying to be impressive).
>Guy yells "wanna race a REAL machine ?"  I couldn't help but laugh.
 
Proper response:  "Sure... bring your REAL machine around
sometime and we'll see..."
 
(Whatever they're driving..  :)

BobR
From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:07:17 GMT

In article <1551@adpplz.UUCP>, martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
> > In article <1544@adpplz.UUCP> martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
> 
> >> The problem, of course, is that motorcycles derive their stability from
> >> gyroscopically induced movement of the front wheel. (Really- it's been
> 
> ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
> > Not entirely. ....
> >  ...            you can have a very stable bike if it has a lot of rake and
> > a long wheelbase. 
> 
> I will grant you the possibility, but I will claim again, that in the
> one study I'm aware of, a test bicycle became seriously unstable when
> the front wheel's gyroscopic effects were canceled by a second wheel
> of the same weight, mounted on the forks and spun in the opposite direction.
> 
> Note that if _bicycles_ can be ridden, gyroscopic stabilization, if it
> exists, can't require a great deal of either mass or speed.
> 
> Naturally, I'm interested in anything resembling a controlled study or
> reasonable simulation of the subject.
> 
> 
>           Martin Golding             |  I don't _have_ to be right,
> DoD #236  BMWMOA #55952  WMTC #0002  |   I have a _recipe_ for crow.
> [motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin

We've had long and heated discussions in the lab on the the affect
of gyroscopic forces on stability. I do not believe they are
very significant on ultimate stability but probably do affect
handling. In a book I read it was found that fitting a counter-
rotating front wheel to a bicycle did not make the bike unrideable.
Also the gyroscopic affects of the wheel (~1000 RPM @ 100 km/h)
compared to an engine at say 10 000 RPM would be of the same order.
Remember those toy Evel Kneivel (sp?) stunt bikes? They required a
massive flywheel spinning at very high speed to maintain stability
without the steering input of the rider. In the book I mentioned
the author tried all sorts of different wheel and steering
mechanisms and the only way he could make the bike unrideable
was to disable all steering input. Anyway, this is a very interesting
book on the physics of bicycling (the library computer is down so
I can't tell you what it's called).

I vote that a bikes handling stability (as opposed to whether it
falls over or not) is more determined by steering and suspension
geometry than any gyroscopic stuff. Not everyone here agrees with
me though.

Also on handling, has any one else noticed that if you push one
end of the handle bar, contrary to expectation, the bike goes in that
direction? Anyone know what this phenomenom is called?

My last twopence...


-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
  Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
  eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
                              '79 GS750E
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FJ1200 vs. ST1100
Summary: If you don't like it ...
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:50:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep9.201245.22096@megatek.com>, randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis) writes:
] In article <1992Sep9.155023.16426@tamsun.tamu.edu> peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram) writes:
] |FJ1200 wins hands down on looks.
] 
]   I disagree.  I prefer the looks of the ST1100.  Of course, I prefer black
] bikes, and 99% of the FJ1200's I've seen are red and white.

I preferred the function of the FJ, and looks were secondary.  It is
for that reason that my FJ, originally in Captain America red, white,
and blue (Arrest me, please!) is now a lovely shade of midnight blue,
with the original black still on parts of the side plastic and front
fairing / windshield.  My wheels still await the blue-silver paint
still in the can.  I may buy different wheels, though, so I dunno.
   I do think that the ST is a real looker, especially in silver.  The
VFR looks great, too.  
 
] |After hear so many people rave about the ST1100,
] |I went to Houston and had an opportunity to look
] |at the ST1100.   It was a total downer.  I am 
] |surprised that  people even have a problem deciding
] |between the two.  If you want a touring bike, go for
] |ST1100, if you want a sport bike go for FJ1200.
] 
]   No, if you want a SPORT bike, go for an FZR, GSXR, or perhaps a Ducati.  If
] you want a SPORT TOURING bike, go for an FJ1200, ZX-11, etc...  At *least* get
] it right...

The lines separating sport and sport-touring are constantly moving,
and are different depending on who you ask.  Some people would balk at
your including a ZX-11 in the sport-touring class rather than as a
sport bike.
  In any case, it is very close to useless to argue over
classification. 

I think that was the original poster's point: that while both bikes
are lumped in the "sport-touring" category, the FJ is much more
sporting than the ST.  


 
> |Any problems ?

Yes.  I live in New Jersey.

                                                Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: new bike .vs. vasectomy
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 10:58:32 GMT

Martin Golding (martin@adpgate.UUCP) wrote:
: There is the Definite Possibility I'm about to acquire an RD350(B?), with
: my wife's overwhelming enthusiasm (she actually asked if she was pushing
: too hard! What a nice lady). 
: 
: Senile Old Man Relives Misspent Youth! SOON, I hope.
: Naming suggestions will be entertained cheerfully. 

I spent a good part of my late teens, misspent, misused and misfiring on a 
Hardy B.  I look back with a great amount af affection to that bike.  I must 
have rebuilt it (from accidents etc.) at least five times.  I painted it every
colour in the rainbow, I had panniers, fairings, expansions, trick reeds,
K&Ns, different seats, mags, special pads, air horns etc. on it at various 
times, usually broken off with one mishap or another.  I used to use a 
conveniant lamp-post next to a wall to straighten the front-wheel fork assembly
with.  I set fire to the loom whilst fiddling around in the headlamp once!  I
was banned for driving on this bike, I had sex on this bike, I spent a night
sleeping on it, we toured half of England on it, I burned off CB750s with it,
I almost killed myself x times too!

I would get another one tomorrow but I am enough of a hooligan on my K, at 
least it _looks_ respectable and is nice and quiet!


Nick (the fucking mad Biker)   DoD 1069   MAG 73516   6 points and rising!

M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 Fuel Problems
Date:  8 Sep 92 07:36:10 GMT
Organization: Helsinki School of Economics, Finland
Keywords: Fuel Line

Yeah! Drilling a hole to the tank sounds like a VERY ODD Solution to
me too. What if the bike falls over ? What if dust and dirt enter the
tank ? I strongly recommend a change of dealer/mechanic.

					Teppo Nieminen 
					DoD#2000
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Man, that was FUN!
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:21:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.231647.18204@wixer.cactus.org>, lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> And if no one has any authority, who gave me #587? Why couldn't I use #666?
|> Who cares that someone already has it, if there are no rules, I can use it
|> anyway, can't I?

cause i know where you live.

never mess with a denizen that has survived net death threats
(cause they then know who to hire. and this person is cheep
only a case of bud)

laz
From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: PERSONAL TO Jeff Earls
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:33:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <194oo3INN64e@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow) writes:
>>
>>Please send me e-mail so I can get your e-mail address.  I couldn't
>>decipher it in your note.
>
>Yeah, Jeff, clean up your handwriting!
>

Shoot, if people could easily read my handwriting they might get a clue
as to what I'm _really_ up to.  

We can't have that now, can we?  :-)


BTW,  pphptptpphphptptptpp! 


Peace,

--Jeff

===============================================================================
|Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530    KotTG      WMTC    AMA  |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 3.67 and climbing... | 
|'86 VF500F - Racebike-in-waiting      | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |

                       "The net is a weird place" 
		         	      .... Blaine Gardner
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: bikes/babes/bikinis/Denny's (say what?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:59:46 GMT
	<1992Sep14.153625.1807@ohrd.uucp>
	<1992Sep14.175954.26187@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <14815@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"mparsons" == Mark Parsons <mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
mparsons> . . stepping out of full leathers . . and only having a
mparsons> bikini on . . . .  *pant* *pant* . . . . where's the nearest
mparsons> Denny's!?!?!?!?  		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

For those of you who've never been so lucky as to ride with Parsons,
*any* place that he stops becomes a pickup joint.  I've seen him give
his number to a woman at Denny's that happened to have been looking at
him while we were there.

Get some class, Mark, try Bennigan's or Chili's...

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
 "Nude wheelies are probably the ultimate in squidliness."  -- beano at
                                                          Lissa's party
From: weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: key fobs
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:51:58 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep6.162507.1145@msus1.msus.edu> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>In article <7907@public.BTR.COM>, jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com) writes:
>> In article <SHAFER.92Sep4112237@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>>>On 4 Sep 92 09:26:31 PDT, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) said:
>>>
>>>bob> In article <9209041535.AA17918@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>, XP2729@LSUVM.BITNET (Terry Baldridge) writes:
>>>bob> this is the *first* dod item that i'm willing to come out in public 
>>>bob> and say *YES*.  (those letters were in caps, btw).
>>>
>> I'd actively like one. Having been fobless (never saw one I didn't think
>> was dumb) for most of my life, (don't get this confused with jobless, an
>> affliction also present, although only recently and temporarily) I would
>> say DoD fobs would be A Good Thing (tm).
>> 
>> jim
>> 
>> -- 
>> *   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
>> *   (insert new bike here)   | Nothing hurts like the loss one feels when   *
>> * Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | they lose their first love, get fired from   * 
>> * DoD #469          KotP(un) | their first job, or sell their first bike.   * 
>
>
>Me, too (fobless, not jobless).  I've been looking for a BMW one in black 
>leather, but so far, I haven't found one.  a DoD fob (in black leather, of
>course) would be just the ticket.
> 
>Don, Harvey ('72 CB500), and Gretchen ('86 K75) - Rochester, MN


Put me down as a wanter of fobs.





stuff
stuff
stuff
stuff
shit
stuff
stuff
stuff

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Michael Weaver            |"Where ever you go, There will be something in your
weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu  | way." --Banzai Clutter Theorm
DoD#0529    KotGB         | 1982 Yamaha Vision 550 --  It's feeling better.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Don Gibb <dgibb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: '85 Suzuki GS700E
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:34:09 GMT

 
 '85 Suzuki GS700E  -  Blue & White   Excellent Condition
 
 New:  Vance & Hines exhaust system, tires and battery
 
 engine recently rebuilt and ported with stainless steel valves and guides
 
 only 8500 miles, 1400 since rebuild
 
 "must see to appreciate"        Contact Paul at (614) 276-1882
 
 

 
 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: FAQ needed
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:47:23 GMT

datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:

>Datasbuild (datasbld@bnr.ca) wrote:
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>: This IS a joke, isn't it?
>: -- 
>: Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g

>HEY!!!  WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY ACCOUNT NAME IN YOUR HEADER!!!!!

You tell me, _I_ didn't put it there. And everything looks perfectly
normal at this end.

>PHILISTINE!  THIEF!  PHILANDERER!  MISANTHROPE!  MISNOMERIST!  JACKAL!  QUAYLE!

>DOTARD!  BUMPKIN!  POTATO-PICKER!  BLAGUEUR!  BLACKGUARD!  FOP!  CLINCHPOOP!!

Probably true, but you're wandering off the topic a bit, aren't you?

>NICK (THE INCENSED BIKER)    DOD 1069   MAG 73516   CONCISE OXFORD

Tell you what, fix your broken newsreader, and we'll let it go this
once.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: Re: dood number
Keywords: I want one; i've got one
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:30:22 GMT

Hmmm, I think he probably is one.


In article <Sep.4.16.44.56.1992.2600@presto.ig.com> steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse) writes:
>
>Whats' all this tlak abotu dood munmbers?  I want onwe.  OK.  NOw I
>havea dod number and i proudly porclaim that it's number 93goof2.  So
>there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I'm a mumber of your club now!  don't i feel wellcom.
>
>Whats's this have to do with motorcycle??? Nothing, why do you ask?  
>
>--steve                            steve@porgy&bess.com
>dood mumble 93goof2                yeah! finally!

Your fnigers msut be on durgs.

============================================================================
Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
From: ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AFTERMARKET PIPES & JETS, ARE THEY WORTH IT?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:15:52 GMT
	<1992Sep2.183821.19956@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Howdy,

klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
> In <1992Sep1.144303.799@rs.com> hamid@west.rs.com (Hamid R. Moazed) writes:
> 
> >There must be a million of you out there, who have installed
> >aftermarket pipes and bigger carb jets in your bikes. My question
> >is: did it make a noticable difference (other than making the bike
> >very loud and obnoxious)?
>   Enjoy your bike as is or get a bigger one. The factory has the exhaust
> figured out pretty good. When mine rotts off I will go to great lengths
> to find a stocker replacement, even if its a used one from the wreckers.

You're right as far as the street goes, but where noies doesn't
matter, a competition pipe WILL help.  One good one is a D&D.  Quite
loud, but according to Roadracing World, one of the more effective
ones.  As far as I can see, after market pipes for the street won't do
much for HP, but they will very likely reduce weight, and thus boost
that almight power/weight ratio.

Remember, jetting is everything.  Even with a stock pipe, getting the
jetting correct will help a bunch.  It's a must for any aftermarket
pipe (well, to achieve performance gains anyway).

Just what I've seen...

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on defending yourself in
Date: 8 Sep 1992 20:35:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 23201@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu, yduj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Judy Anderson) writes:
>
>p.s. Hi folks... it's been a while.  Anyone still remember me?

No.

Hey, what's with all these WOMEN out there on motorcycles?  Like,
shouldn't they be home raising babies or something?

:^)

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD Merchandise
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:28:58 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]: Arnie just posted about DoD zippo keyrings, but how about DoD zippo
lighters?
]: Now that would be cool....
]   We had an issue of DoD Zippos last year - unfortunately I couldn't
]get the money to Arnie so I don't have one.  
]We need to get about 50+ orders to do a (re)run - if there's a bit more
]lead time I'll have one.

if there is a rerun of the lighters, they must be of a different size and/or
style to preserve the uniqness of the originals.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leather pants
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep9.192425.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>, mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes...
> 
>In all my years of riding I've never worn leather pants.  Just the
>thought of wearing them made me sweat.   But now with yet another
>fall approaching I'm beginning to wonder...would leather pants allow
>me to ride later into the cold season?  Are they much warmer than
>jeans?
> 


	I think so.  I wear chaps all the time.  They really aren't that hot-
even on a 90 degree day- as long as you keep moving.  When we get a cold day
(it was 60 the other day here in Buffalo) they are much warmer than jeans -
mostly because they stop wind.  They have some insulative effect- but it is
more there wind stopping ability that makes them nice to have on cold days.

					Ethan Bowerman


__

DoD #682
'83 CB650SC Nighthawk beater
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.201600.8857@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>
>James J. Dutton (jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) sez:
>|> ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
>|> >The problem I have with the "babes 'n bikes" photos is that they give
>|> >me the impression of excluding me from motorcycling. Sometimes these photos
>|> >include guys in riding gear (probably ugly guys as they often have to hide
>|> >behind dark-visored helmets), but I've seen women actually riding
>|> >only in BMW ads. The aesthetic appeal of the usual ad is meant for men 
>|> >only. The woman on a bike in a bikini and high heels tells me that I'm a 
>|> >stupid shit who doesn't know squat about riding and that my association 
>|> >with motorcycles can go no further than sweating on the seat. 
>|>  
>|> Inferiority complex?
>
>|> If they had adds w some guy in a g-string I don't think I'd care. I
>|> wouldn't buy the bike (probably) but I wouldn't take it personally.
>
>Inferiority complex?
>
>(Why wouldn't you buy the bike?)
>
>Dan
 
I'm not looking to pick up any guys in G-strings YMMV.
But then of course I wouldn't look at it as a plot against me personnally.

 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


yduj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Judy Anderson) writes:

>No, because a woman who looks like she has a clue is a threat to many
>male egos.  You have to make sure that no woman ever looks *more*
>competent than a man, or you alienate a large percentage of the
>potential male marketplace.

Judy, what kind of men do you hang around with?  None of what
you say here applies to _any_ of the men I know.

>Looking at it from a practical standpoint, since many women are also
>affected by this "women are inferior" stereotyping that goes on and
>therefore *believe* that they are inferior,

Sounds like you might want to find a new group of friends.  This
description doesn't seem to fit many of the women I know, either.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: agent86@netcom.com (Michael McBride)
Subject: Re: 1991 VFR750 purchase info wanted
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:29:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Keywords: VFR750 HONDA 

	I just purchased a new '92 VFR750F fresh out of the crate
	for $5999.  So, reasonably the 1991 model you are looking for 
	should be less...

	Personally I would call a motorcycle insurance agent and ask
	for the Kelly Blue Book information on the bike in question.
	They should read you a high and low price.  You should insist
	on paying as close to the low number as possible.
	(e.g. on my bike the high was $7200, and the low $5110)  As you
	know the list is $7299 (ouch).  When you go in, go in armed,
	and dont back down.  (however if you are financing you better
	be a shoe in or it wont work.)

good luck...


Michael McBride		"Ride to ride"  :P
 agent86@netcom.com

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
  Michael McBride		   |  "Bringing You today's technology,
  [agent86@netcom.com]		   |	tomorrow!"
=============================================================================