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From: hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Movie Review: Exteme Dream
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:19:38 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Oct28.232758.14357@bnr.ca> mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) writes:
>I recently viewed the new movie from the Egan Brothers, Extreme Dream. 
>Imagine two thumbs the size of the world trade center.  Now picture them pointing
>down.
>
>[[...]]
>Two BIG TOES down for the EGAN brothers!!
>
>Mike. 


Uh, ANY ski movie is just like any other titillation movie
(boating, biking, rollerblading).

You're just watching because you can't do it (right now),
you're pretty certain _you_ could do it much better than _that_,
you generally fast forward through anything not directly related to the subject,
and at the end you're just wishing even more YOU were out .... skiing.

Obviously not the view of Chevron.


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From: CHRIS-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Chris Hardy)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:31:31 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Nov5.181144.18728@nas.nasa.gov>
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Nov5.042544.6853@netcom.com> allyn@netcom.com (allyn) writes:
>>Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
>>in the state of Colorado.
>>Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
>>groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.
>
>Is there a showing of solidarity over in motss?
>
>>If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
>>consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
>>British Columbia.              ^^
>                                || Another poster (Ms. Martha Roos)
>                        posted a year ago that we should boycott this
>                        state for it's abortion laws.  Perhaps we should
>                        direct people to Eastern resorts?  After all they
>                        can handle the populations who attend their resorts.
>                        Please make a few suggestions back there, too.
>                        She did cross post to talk.politics.abortion.
>
>>We must send a strong economic message to Colorado that what they did
>>was wrong!
>>
>>Remember! Boycott Colorado!!
>
>
If the people of Colorado feel that way what can you or anyone else say.
The people there voted for this.  Now you ask me to lose my money to
boycott a ski trip I have planned in Vail.  I don't think that is correct.
I understand your point and you must understand the people voted for this.
From: mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: skiing in KAUKASUS (gruusia-maybe?)
Keywords: ever done ?
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:50:45 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


Hello,
	Anybody ever heard anything about skiing in "kaukasus" mountains

	yes, they have a little war there with maybe a small genocide,
	but I'll doubt that it involves the slopes & lifts...

	Kaukasus -mountains are situated between Russia and Gruusia
	any notes on how to get there, where to stay & ski are
wellcome...


disc: " why do slalom-skiers make so many turns ? -they try to evade the
        bullets ! "   ( should I carry a mortar ???)


.

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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Conditions in BC
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:32:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov12.223255.25216
Organization: University of Washington

JPP00070@acuvax.acu.edu (Pak Jae-Hyung Peter) writes:

>I'm here in Texas going to school.

That says alot already.

>I'll be going home for winter break and I'm hoping to get some time to go 
>skiing.

>Can anyone tell me what the conditions are/will be at Whistler/Blackcomb.

Sure, and I can forsee the future.

>Any price increases?  Probably.  :(

>Thanks

>Peter

>BTW: Homosexuals are NOT a minority group and they should not be given any 
>     minority rights.  They should be treated with the respect one would give
>     any person and that is alot better than being treated as a minority.
>     I may not agree with your values and ideas but that doesn't mean we 
>     can't *love* each other.  <hehehehehehehe>

Wrong newsgroup pal.

>Colorada skiing is great!  I don't plan to boycott it unless they discriminate
>against the spotted owl.  <hehehehehehehe>

Maybe this is why Texans have such a poor image.


********************************************************

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From: jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:21:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Montana
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

 I went to Big Mountian last Feb and it was pretty good. Lift tickets were
 only 29 bucks. And lodgeing in Kalispell is pretty inexpensive too. 
 You might want to stay in the town of Whitefish it is a lot closer to 
 the mountain. One thing is this is the only ski resort around so your 
 stuck to skiing one place your whole trip.
 jeff
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Subject: Cabin for Sale - Pioneer, CA (Rt 88)
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:46:10 GMT

>Linear man, it's no wider than a freeway.
>--Chris

Ah!  I70, I see!
You learn something everyday.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:29:48 GMT

Part II of II.

Hey Grant!
In article <1992Nov05.192405.8511@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com
(Grant Robinson) writes:

>Wow, and people say Utah's no fun!

>In article <1992Nov4.221815.13954@fcom.cc.utah.edu> klaus@ced.utah.edu writes:
>>Try living in a ski town. You wanna see selfish.
>>People who are in town for 1 week that think they
>>own the place to the point of urinating on your front yard... walking
>>in your front door asking, "Is this where the party is?" Couples having
>>sex on the church steps next door so loud my dogs want to join in.
>>Tourists (tourons) feeding my dogs ice cream cones so they can get a
>>cute picture. People passing out in my car (not my friends..
>>strangers.) People skiing down my street, running into my car. Loud,
>>obnoxius, drunken, or drug affected people yelling, screaming, howling
>>at street lights at 3 in the morning... on a weeknight. People
>>illegally parking in driveways, double parking, etc. People driving the
>>wrong way on the one way street in front of my house causing accidents

Gee this sounds like Tahoe City, Truckee, parts of Donner Lake and Squaw.
They had to enact laws to prevent skiers from getting run over in
Nevada and El Dorado Counties.

The amusing thing about pointing people to skiing in Utah (like Carlson's
post to ALTA) is that once outsiders get there, they want to change Utah
to their conception of what the ski (and non-ski) world should be.

I'm not going to say, "they," it's some of you guys.  Some of you guys
want apres ski partying, night life, or fancy resort shops or big parking
structures, or liquor not sold in liquor stores.  Are you guys visitors
or outside revolutionaries?  Fine party resorts exist, one's in Utah called
Park City.  Are you guys the kind of people who fly to Rome or Paris and
just eat McDonald's hamburgers?  (sure).  You guys want to McDonaldify
the world into your own image? (Not Grant and Klaus of course.)

What is it? The more people the merrier?  The more of your kind of people?
Are you guys visitors or invaders?

Visit, spend money, maybe even ski some powder.

Oh, sorry, my spouse has a hard time with the powder,
can we pack some of it down?

Can WE pack?  [Joan Rivers voice]

May the next phone call you get be from the Church of the Latter Day Saints
to try and convert you. 8^)

Resist much, obey little.	--Ed Abbey quoting Walt Whitman

Ref: "Number 20 looks just like you."  --Twilight Episode

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:14:52 GMT

allyn@netcom.com (allyn) writes:
>Recently, a homophobic anti gay rights referendum was passed by the voters
>in the state of Colorado. 
>
>Myself, along with many others, especially in some of the motss news
>groups strongly urge everyone to BOYCOTT Colorado.
>
>If you feel you must ski in places such as Aspen and Veil, please
>consider alternitives such as Utah, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, or
>British Columbia.
>
>We must send a strong economic message to Colorado that what they did
>was wrong!
>
>Remember! Boycott Colorado!!

Assuming this is not the typical sarcastic ski somewhere else
message:

Many of us are shocked that this amendment passed.  Towns
that already have legislation saying you cannot discriminate
against gays (these towns included Aspen, Vail & Boulder) will
have to repeal there laws.  To further the sad state of affairs,
the secretary in my girlfriends lab has never voted in her life
until tuesday to vote YES on Amendment 2.  However I think/hope
that if any serious discrimination happens, the ACLU will step in.

--Chris
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Keywords: politically incorrect, uzi, go for it
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:30:21 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM


>Start packing an Uzi, thereby both joining and rising above the ranks of
>the politically incorrect in one swell foop.  You can then ski wherever you
>want.  Cutting lines becomes a piece of cake.
>
>Oh yeah, and no one laughs when you wipe out.
>-- 
>Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366

I used to carry an uzi, but it hurt too much when I'd fall on it.  Plus, it
went off once by accident and put a hole through my pack and a water
bottle, just missing a herd of Texans who were trying to crowd in front of
me, which just really pissed me off.  Damn!  It was a really good water
bottle, too!

h. kelly "viva la raza!" shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499)
Subject: Re: VAIL Questions
Reply-To: klaus@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:37:59 GMT

In article 11280@sun13.scri.fsu.edu, jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
> But this is all apocrypha, as someone else noted.

Wow. People really do read all the way to the end of posts.

---

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

	One man's signal is another man's noise.
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Sleighs or snowmobiles near Tahoe???
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:28:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: admin1.1992Nov9.142815.4016
Organization: Memphis State University

Does anyone have any information about places near Tahoe that
offer sleigh rides or snowmobiling?

Sam
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Some S. California resorts to open Thursday, 11/12!
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:24:56 PST
Distribution: usa

In article <1dtvobINNkts@agate.berkeley.edu>, green@are.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Green) writes:
> Where is Bear Mountain??    
>
Gary,
      Bear Mountain is in Big Bear, CA., about 1.5 hours from L.A. You might
 remember the big earthquake there this summer.

Alex Lee
From: tanksley@cs.utexas.edu (Lynn M. Tanksley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: ski racks
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:47:50 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: ski rack Honda

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question  about finding a
ski rack for my gutterless Honda Civic.  I finally decided to
go with a window mount rack rather than shell out $200+ for a
Yacima or Thule type rack.

-- 
    ..
   {__} Lynn
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Wanted Info on Brianhead Utah
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.161102.9514@nosc.mil> mcdono@nosc.mil writes:
>	Thinking of skiing in Brianhead Utah in Feb Mar
>	What's there?

A medium sized family oriented resort.  No high speed quads.

> Any challenges, any diamonds?

If you want these, don't bother.  The terrain isn't that exciting.
They have diamonds, but they are over rated.

>Any snow?

Some.

>	Anything nearby? Any caveats?

Cedar Break NP (interesting X-C), Zion, Bryce, etc.  Usual tourist traps.
Cedar City, UT.  A relaxing place for a vacation.  Not Vailized yet.
Next time I go I plan to stay at one of those places with only three rooms.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Delamination forces
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:13:24 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 5 Nov 92 15:33:34 GMT, glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) said:

glen>  In the absence of a binding, if the ski is flexed between two moguls
glen>  it (the ski) will have a relatively smooth curve along the length of
glen>  the ski. The problem is that the binding track acts as a local stiffener
glen>  and prevents the ski from taking on this smooth curve. Most of the
glen>  stress gets concentrated at point A. 

Do "floating" bindings or those with shorter mounting distances lessen the
likelihood of the delamination by reducing the force?
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Subject: Re: Delamination forces
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:25:16 GMT

In article <SSH.92Nov9081324@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>>>>>> On 5 Nov 92 15:33:34 GMT, glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) said:
>
>glen>  In the absence of a binding, if the ski is flexed between two moguls
>glen>  it (the ski) will have a relatively smooth curve along the length of
>glen>  the ski. The problem is that the binding track acts as a local stiffener
>glen>  and prevents the ski from taking on this smooth curve. Most of the
>glen>  stress gets concentrated at point A. 
>
>Do "floating" bindings or those with shorter mounting distances lessen the
>likelihood of the delamination by reducing the force?
>--
>Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
>Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder

I don't know about floating bindings, but I've had a similar problem with
Marker MRR's which are on the small side as far as heel tracks go.  The other
interesting thing is that it is not the tops that are coming apart, but the 
edges.  These particular skis have cracked edges that are pulling out of the
bases behind the heels.  Since the damage is similar on all four edges, I
would say that it is due to the high stress and flex at that point.  However,
since these are 8-year-old skis that have already made the progression from
race skis->training skis->bump skis->rock skis, I'd imagine that it is
mostly a result of lots of abuse rather than a serious flaw in the ski.  
I haven't had any problems with other bindings, so I doubt that's a 
significant factor.  I did manage once to break apart the heel piece of a
(discontinued) Geze SER binding which had a long track, but it didn't
damage the ski.


-- 
John Gunn, Ph.D                    |  "A casual stroll through the lunatic      
Columbia University                |  asylum shows that faith doesn't           
Center for Biomolecular Simulation |  prove anything."                          
and Head Coach, Ski Team           |     - Friedrich Neitzsche
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: National Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:30:55 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

I would *not* go to Vail that week.

Not that the Nat'l Brotherhood of Skiers aren't a fun bunch (they are a largely
African-American ski club), but 10,000 *real skiers* on the slops of Vail in
addition to a "normal" crowd would be a killer.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:29:01 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
> 
> I can't understand why anyone would ski Vail, for the same reason I
> don't understand why anyone would live on the East or West coasts.

OK, I'll bite.

Pros of Vail:
1) They do get a LOT of snow.  Except for Wolf Creek, they get as much or
more snow than anywhere in Colorado.

2) It is a huge area, with a large variety of terrain.

Cons of Vail:
1) It can be very crowded.

2) They make you pay to park.

3) It's expensive, although not that much more than other areas.

4) It's a pain to go back to your car for lunch.

I for one am very very sick of the Vail bashing and silly lines like:
"Ski Vail                         3.0".  It's gone way way beyond the
point where it was funny (and it *was* funny for a while).

I've skied at almost every area in Colorado, and they all have their
pros and cons.   I've had deep powder days almost everywhere, and I've
waited in lift lines almost everywhere.  I've skied Vail during a 
mid-week in February with 15+ inches of fresh powder and the mountain
was completely empty, and I've also waited in some long lines at Vail.
I've also waited in some long lines at Alta (and skied some nice
powder there).  I like Monarch, because they get lots of powder days
and the snow doesn't get tracked until late in the day, but I have 
friends who don't like it because the runs are too short.  I used to
ski Steamboat a lot, but the last times I've been there on powder days
the snow gets tracked up before noon (even in the trees).  Copper Mtn
has the A chair, which lets you ski bumps without any lift lines even
when the rest of the mtn is very crowded, but intermediate skiers can't
handle a whole day of A chair.   I've even had a few fantastic days
on NorthPeak/Outback (gasp, isn't that part of Keystone), with 20" of
fresh and no one there but me and a few other lucky folks.

What's my point?  I just love to ski.  I love Monarch, A-Basin, Vail,
Loveland, Copper Mtn, Mary Jane, Breckenridge, Telluride, Purgatory,
Steamboat, Alta, Snowbird, Solitude, etc.  They have all given me good
days and bad days.  They are all great when the base is good, the powder
is deep and the crowds are somewhere else.  They can all be a drag when
the snow sucks or there are long lift lines.   Certainly some areas get
more snow than others, and some get more crowds than others, but they
all have their moments of glory.

Sorry for the rambling ...

Richard Stern
rstern@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Vail has FIVE feet and it's still snowing 
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Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:57:09 GMT


...watched the local news tonight and it said Vail now has five feet
of snow.  The forcast for tonight (tues) is for six to eight more inches.
The news story also said that this was the best eary season conditions
at Vail in the resort's history.  (Damn! ...I knew this was going to be
a great year for Colorado skiing.  I just moved here!)

There are forcasts for 18 inches of snow in the San Juans and Sangre de
Cristos. (Telluride, Purgatory, Taos)  Summit county didn't do to bad
today and as mentioned, the forcast for tonight for the northern CO 
mountains is for 6 to 8 more inches.  I don't have to work tommorow so
guess where I'll be going?  Should I post and tell everyone just how
great it was and what they missed?

...and this would be a GREAT year to boycott Colorado.  I never did like
crowds.



                                     NCW