HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zyang@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Z. Yang)
Subject: Wang YiFu got another GOLD for China!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:49:24 GMT

But I am not that clear in which event. Sport pistol?

I saw the news from a French station in Canada this morning.
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A Good Translation
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:49:00 GMT


          After years of searching, I finaly found the translation for
          the american word "cool."

          It is Piao4 Liang4 as used by tu3 fei3.  Here is a situation
          it is used:

          A:  What a small world!  We see each other again after all
              these years.  Remember that night you stole my money
              and escaped?
          B:  Hahaha, I have to say your memory is impressive. 
              Certainly I did it.  So what do you want now?
          A:  Of course you know the rule.  
          B: Fine. (takes out a knife and cuts a finger).  
          A: I knew you were a Piao4 liang4 person.
From: nil@aber.ac.uk (Nigel Lueng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:43:19 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

I have seen a lot of comments on the US coverage of the Olympic.
It seems that coverage by the BBC here is fair than you guys got in
the US.  Sure they concentrate more on the `British interest' to
my liking, but since they are a British TV channel, I don't see
anything wrong with that.  But I don't remember any negative comments on
non-British athletes.

The Independent newspaper here also notices that the NBC has taken
a lot of interest in the Chinese team.  They think the reason behind
this is more than simply sour grasp.  The USSR had always been
portraied as the `bad guy' in the Olympic by the US networks and
this was a very convenient way to raise audience.  Although we still
have the Unified Team, it is difficult to continue to portraied
them as enemy now.  It looks like that the Chinese team has been
chosen as the successor.

:I wonder if you guys in the US think this is a fair comment?
From: junqing@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Angela Yuang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: PR application
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:53:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Hi, netter:

I have a friend who will marry a PR in the near future, but she doesn't know 
how to apply for PR after she got married. Must she see a lawyer? What is 
the normal procedure of such an application? Can she just file 
the application with the INS herself? Any suggestion on how to deal with this 
kind of thing or anyone who has similiar experience will be welcome. Thank 
you in advance.

Angela
From: shiping@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: looking for Wang, Minxia.
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:52:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: max.1992Jul28.155218.1


Looking for Wang, Minxia.

Wang was graduated from Shanghai Nanyang Middle School in 1968, and from
Fudan University in early 1980's, majoring in political sciences/international
relationship.  If anybody knows Wang, please send me an e-mail at the following
account: "shiping@max.u.washington.edu".  Thanks.
From: eric@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Bo Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: THE JOY OF BIRTH, talk.politics.china
Date: 22 Jul 1992 19:33:52 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdphu1.ucsd.edu

bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>/* From the keyboard of eric@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Bo Yang) */:
>>:try it( gtalk.politics.china) , it's already there!
>>
>> There should be a space between g and talk.politics.china yes we have
>> it. However we don't have `act', ( alt.chinese.text ) I think the
>> reason is Bo Yang ( I read his `ugly Chinese' and liked it but I did
>> not know he is an expert in Chinese computing ) went through all of
>> the normal procedures of creating a newsgroup while Wei Yagui ( I
>> forget his code ) did not.
>>
> I believe Ci3 Bo Yang Fei Bi3 Bo Yang.
>

Thanks, bbs Chou. I'm also glad that Ci3 (Yang, Bo) Fei Bi3 (Bo, Yang). XiaoFei
Wang is the one to be blamed, though his Dong4 Ji1 Shi4 Hao3 De.

-- Bo



Y A N G ,  B O                       < e r i c @ s d p h u 1 . u c s d . e d u >
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From: wanderer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anthony William Cannon)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 20:32:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.175608.19686@acd4.acd.com> jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       ) writes:
>In article <fortony.712477195@murphy>, fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>|> 
>|> I'll stand by the "interesting" statement.  The contest in question was
>|> completely dominated by the Chinese diver.  She crushed everyone else
>|> with technically perfect dives, got out of the pool, and did it again.
>|> I don't find it interesting.  Deal with it.
>
>Deal with what? Other athletes are dying to be as perfect as the Chinese 
>diver. That is what they have spent all their lives for. 
>
>You does have a twisted mind, do you know that? Those athletes would  
>surely beat the hell out of you if you ever had an opportunity to tnell 
>them you enjoy watching their not being perfect.
>___

Just because something is near perfect doesn't mean that _everyone_
has to think it's "interesting".  Just because someone is the best in
the world at something doesn't mean that I have to find it "interesting",
even if the rest of the world does.  The fact remains that what some
people find graceful and interesting, others will find frightfully dull,
and no one has right to dictate to the world what shall be deemed
"interesting".

One person decides perfect diving is less interesting than imperfect diving.
Deal with it. (or at least fume silently)

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From: G_YANG@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (YANG GUANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NBC 7pm News tonight and the two bills
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:28:44 GMT


[With news sources from AP and Reuter]:
 
          A Chinese government shopping delegation headed by
the Deputy Director of National Economic Planning
Commission, Mr. Gan Ziyue, is in the U.S.A.  The delegation
will purchase a large quantity of automobiles from all big
three U.S. auto makers, Ford, Chrysler and GM.  According to
the delegation, this is a good well mission of Chinese
people to help the U.S. economy recover.
 
          We know the real mission of this delegation,
however, is more likely to ensure the MFN status for China.
The legislation that requires Chinese government to improve
human rights passed the House last week, and will be voted
in the Senate soon.  It is also clear that Chinese
government intends to return George Bush a favor by
injecting a large amount of cash into the US most hurted
industry before the election in November.  (At
the time of writing up this report, the National Radio
reported that the stock prices of all the three auto makers
have been driven up by a few points).
 
          Dr. Haiching Zhao will appear on NBC prime
time, 7pm Evening News tonight (7/28/92), interviewed by
anchor Tom Brokaw to discuss this issue.  The media
publicity is important for the successful passage of both
MFN and Chinese Protection Bills pending in the Congress, as
the human rights is the core for both bills.
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:28:55 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami


 
In article <CMM.0.90.2.711823253.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu writes:
|In <1703@kluge.fiu.edu>, stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu writes:
|>In article<CMM.0.90.2.711747819.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> (James Ou) writes:
|>|Chinese said, "once
|>|your teacher, forever your father." (Yi2 Ri4 Wei2 Shi1, Zhong1
|>|Sheng1 Wei2 Fu4).
|>
|>The Chinese
|>saying is Yi1Ri4 Shou4Jiao4, Zhong1Sheng1 Wei2 Shi1 (He/She whom
|>you took lesson even for one day from shall be respected as your
|>teacher for the rest of your life).
| 
|Gosh, I know I am wrong on SCC all the time, but, no way, not
|this time. :-)

traditionally there were three places where a teacher or mentor has
the statue of a parent. That's temple (Si4Miao4), pear-orchard
(Li2Yuan2, chinese conservatory), and red-mansion (Hong2Lou2, chinese
Mustang Ranch). Because many pupil there were orphans or abandened
children.
 
|BTW, I know Fan4 Zeng1 tried to conquer the world with Xiang4
|Yu3, but are you sure that he was also a teacher of Xiang4?

Fan4 was, more accurately, Xiang's tutor or proctor. When Xiang
failed to listen to Fan4 to kill Liu2Bang1 in HongMeng banquet,
Fan4 sighed: "there is no hope to teach this dumb kid" (Shu4Zi1
Bu4Ke3 Jiao1 Ye3). Another model relationship between teacher
and student was between Yue4Fei1 and Zhou1Tong2 in Song dynasty.
After Tong2 died, Fei1 treated him as his father (Fei1 stayed 
in the graveyard for six(?) months). But this was a rare case,
for Fei1's own father drawned when Fei1 was one.

A gentleman does not serve two masters, a child does not love two
fathers (Shi4 Bu2Shi4 Er2 Zhu3, Zi3 Bu4Xiao4 Er2 Fu4). I am sure
this is an authentic Chinese saying. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21729 rec.sport.olympics:2147
From: junzhang@acpub.duke.edu (Huilai Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:14:05 GMT
Followup-To: poster

In article <1992Jul31.021028.3849@news.nd.edu>, ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu writes:
> In article <1079@pga.ts.com> pk99nom@pga.ts.com (Pal K.) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul30.192411.20300@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> >>
> >>                           After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          ^^^
> >>should be parised. 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
First of all, Mr. Solinsky, I'd like to point out you have insulted ALL
of the Cinese parents. Secondarily, you have the hobby to believe and
spread the bullshits.

H. Zhang
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:08:22 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Tong Bao got 7-years sentence

According to this morning's NBR news, Tong Bao was sentenced to 7-year prison
term.  JL.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:41:56 GMT


According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
doesn't fit my experiences. China has more than 1000 colleges and 
universities, majority of whom should have a swimming pool just to 
support the phyisical education classes. Most cities have more than
5 swimming pools for public uses ( I know Lanzhou does and There are
more than 30 cities at the same level as Lanzhou). The author was 
full of ignorance and prejudice in the article. It's a typical cold
war mentality kind of article. It claims that the Chinese athletes
are state-sponsored while forgetting the U.S athletes are privately
sponsored. The only difference is the source of sponsorship while
the fundamental objective and results are the same. It claims the 
kids are taken away from  their parents (forced) while the truth of
the matter is that in almost all the cases the parents AND the kids
willingly want the organized training. It claims that the athlets
are illiterate where as the matter of the fact is that the atheletes
still have regular grade school classes and they are no less illiterate
than their U.S. counterpart.

Anyway, I think its a shame that a magazine like Time would publish
pieces of crap like this. All concerned should write to Time to 
correct this not-so-negligible error. 

More comments are welcome! 
No Flames, please!
:wq
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:10:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.092546.16955@ecst.csuchico.edu> jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.053305.3670@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>
>>What a pity! You must have missed her shyness, which she needs to overcome
>>at so young an age. She is only 13 and from another culture. I didn't 
>>complain about the poor coverage very seriously here, but I do think that 
>>some commentators are younger than 13 actually. The TV quality is really poor 
>>since we, more often than not, couldn't find non-american champions when 
>>American atheles failed in the same games. The commentators are silly for they
>>were not hesitate to show their narrow-mindness whenever the chances seemed
>>have come. I got quite relaxed, after I lost confidence in them. Anyway, 
>>they don't represent American people, many of whom have showed us their
>>cool judgements in these two .olympics newsgroups. 
>
>Maybe you relaxed too early :-) Here's another gem from the bigoted clowns
>at the diving venue:

Likely. :-)  

>"He is the most Westernized of all the Chinese divers, he laughs and smiles"
>
>As I sit here laughing and smiling at the sheer stupidity of this statement,
>I realized that I have become a white man :-).  If you too are a colored
>man or women, take a couple of these :-) :-) and call me in the morning.

I have a very yellow flexture. :-)  That's why I like the yellow
figures from China. No hope to be westernlized completely. :-(

But wait a minute! I can't "finger" out your phone number.  :-)

>Regards,
>
>j n a.

I giggled in the opening ceremony. This must have happened before 
your that grin. Thereafter no worse than that. :-)

That's all.

Anyway, enjoy the games, don't bother those kids on the telivision.
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Lin Li won gold in 200 IM
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:13:34 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Jul30.172919.13190@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>
>	Also that, since she has broken the world record, she will be
>automatically tested for drugs.  Let's try to conclude the steorid
>discussion with the test results.  :-)
>

Well this Jiang Yuan guy may still say that Lin Li used steroid
two month ago even if the test is negative. The religious belief
will always find way out in front of facts.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Reply-To: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:13:27 GMT

In article <23JUL199209343499@zeus.tamu.edu>, y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.234050.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>
>I agree with you. One more point I like to add:
>  3. China never issure the casualties of the war, Only  Vietname issured 
>the casuaties of PLA. Can you believe their number? I remember that Vietname 
>offically declared they had shut down more than 10,000 U. S. airplanes and 
>killed couple million U. S. soldiers. Nobady take them seriously, except a few 
>blind persons.

    This might be true if you think Vietnamese once declared that Vietnam was
the third most powerfull military force in the world.The fist is USSR,and the
second PRC.What is the position of USA? That doesn't count for USA is Shou3
Xia4 Bai4 Jian4(the defeated) of Vietnam. Very funny!
    Now,think about Vietnamese people,they are really worth of sympthetic.What 
a miserable life they've had for they've spent so many years suffering from
wars. Sigh!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Subject: Re: Curious!
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:53:12 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany

In <1992Jul21.041845.26164@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu writes:

< >|> >This is still pretty much followed by many Chinese women. Hope one day
< >
< >What!? I felt that, at least for the third one, it is no longer the case.
< >I don't believe that many chinese women nowadays would even have a thought
< >that they should CongZi (for whatever it means) when their husbands die.
< >
< Not any more. Or never was. (in some cases) For example, the Queen
< Dawage, or the Jia Mu in Hong Lou Mong. But those were in Qing Dynasity,
< and Mang people did respect their mothers more.

	It depends on Jiao4Yang3.

< 
< Tingli Pan

You got it wrong! Cong2 means here not only "depending on ...", cong2 also
means "honour" for the women through the people they cong2. Examples:

	Before married:  Cong2 fu4 er rong2, like gao1gan4 zi3nuu3. (was there
	not some story about a general's daughter married to a ....).

	Married women will cong2 fu1 er rong2. Then they should be called as
	XXX fu1ren, X tai4tai or something else. Some women would very like
	to be called as "First lady, the Queen, Countess ......

	In ancient times women often got some titles because their sons 
	became high officials, so it's another possibility for cong2 zi3,
	they would be "Mian4 shang4 you3 guang1", because their son could
	"Guang1 zong1 yao4 zu2". The women then got to be called as 
	"XXX lao Tai4tai" or nowadays simply "XX ta1 ma1", "XX ta1 niang2".
	Ci2Xi1 became Tai4Hou4 only because she was the mother of the new
	Huang2di4 (she was not the a formal Huang2Hou4).
	Your mother is envied much by the neighbours, why, 'cause her son
	went Chu1Guo2 Liu2Yang2 and got a greencard now!

You see, sometimes to Cong2 is not bad at all for a woman. Why not to follow
the rules? They might want to live with their sons (or daughters) in US.


======================================================================
J.Z.
d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>
>According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
>has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
>doesn't fit my experiences. China has more than 1000 colleges and 
(stuff deleted...)

I figured maybe Time had meant 60 "acceptable" swimming pools, i.e.,
Olympic standard swimming pools. If this was true, then the number
60 wouldn't seem too weird to believe. It is understood that in
some universities there are pools, but they are way below the "standard".
I am sure you have been to the swimming pool at YOUR university, 
tell us how you think of it....

Jianqing Yuan
r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: NBC olympic coverage
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.165030.12277@athena.mit.edu> dethomas@athena.mit.edu (Drea E Thomas) writes:
>Just another note on NBC's appalling coverage of the olympics,
>
>In gymnastics, the standings were Eun, Romainia, USA and China.
>
>Tuesday night;
>They spent more than an 85 minutes on the first 3 countries,
>and a grand total of a 1.5 minutes on china. They showed only
>1 chinese gymnast, and throughout the performance they continually
>commented on how this wasn't the chinese teams best apparatus
>(then why didn't they show them on one they were particularly
>good at), how the chinese didn't have the 'right body type'
>to do well at this activity.. etc.
>
> Clearly you want to spend the most time on the top 3 countries,
>but am I the only one that thinks that this is unbalanced?
>Also, are there only 4 countries competing in gymnastics? Not
>one mention of any others.
>
> In the swimming events this pattern is just as bad. In one
>race (womens, 200 m breaststroke??) in which a chinese athelete
>got the silver medal, they never even showed her (in closeup)
>I never even saw her face. The american who won the bronze medal
>was profiled and interviewed extensively.
>
> When they do mention chinese athletes, they refer to them
>as machine like, all the same, no creativity.. etc.. all the
>usual stereotypes..
>
> This kind of arrogance/racism/xenophobia makes me ashamed
>to be an american.
>
> If you want to complain to NBC, the number was given earlier
>(212-664-4444).
>
>------------------
>just my $.02
>
>	-Drae-

Thanks for your coolness.

Honestly speaking, I want to go back to China, in order to have 
the chance to watch the excellent performances more widely. At 
least they can let us watch champions' faces, whenever possible.

-- A dreamer. :-(
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:47:43 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul24.042805.16087@math.ucla.edu> jli@broxton.math.ucla.edu (Jun Li) writes:
>I gather when Time says "China has only 60 swimming pools", it means that
>China has only 60 swimming pools that can hold international swimming
>competition. Certainly there are thousands recreation swimming pools and
>a lot of non-standardized swimming pools in China. Well, even millions of
>"big holes on the ground with water--if you call them pools".

I don't think your interpretation is right.  There are many
Olympic standard pools in Beijing.  Let me list those I know.
1) Worker's Sport Center, 1 in door, 2 outdoor
2) Beijing Sport Center, 1 in
3) Navy HQS, 1 in
4) PLA Commando HQS (Zong3Can1), 1 in
5) Beijing Institute of Sports, 1 in
6) Tao2Ran2Ting2 Swimming Center, 1 out

They all have standard diving platforms and boards.
There are some new ones built for the Asian Games in 1990.
There are more outdoor ones which I don't know of.  Almost
all the major universities have outdoor pools ( they may not
have diving platforms or boards though).  Some of them
are of Olympic conpetetion quality.  Most of them are of the
quality for Olympic training.  Yesterday the TV showed the pool
where the US team was supposed to train.  They quality is
about the same as the one in my university in Beijing.

One important reason that Chinese diving team excels is the
body build of Asians.  Small bodies tend to excel in sports
such as gymnasitics and diving which require flexibility
and precision.
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