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From: jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:19:29 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta

Hi,
I am interested in Software jobs in Saudi Arabia. Would you know the following:
  1. What kind of skills are in demand ?
  2. What kind of minimum experience levels are needed ?
  3. What is the best source for these jobs (i.e. agencies or companies
     directly). Any names and address ?
Thanks in adavance,
Jimmy
P.S. Email to jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
--
jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ksalah@nyx.cs.du.edu (Khaled Salah)
Subject: Re: 2 dead on Saudi/Qatari Border Dispute Yesterday.
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:50:11 GMT


martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes,

>In article <BvHFt4.G9A@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(LAHORI P>OND) writes:

>>Yeah just another example to the world of Arab and Islamic unity.
>>  We just never learn do we. Every time just blame the west and talk
about
>>  our victories 500 years ago.

>> laters

>> Lahori (LHL 111 ) Poond

>Arab and Islamic unity is a stupid silly concept.  Neither Arab nor
>Islamic culture ever provided 90% of the population with anything but
>abject poverty and misery.  Not only has the civilized West provided a
>high quality of life for the vast majority of its population, only the
>civilized West of all cultures has ever been capable even of providing
>food for its own population.  Arab and Muslim people should seek human
>unity if they are ever to be happy.  In any case, in the unlikely
>event that Arab or Muslim people should achieve unity (depite a
>history of continuous and mindless internecine slaughter), the
>civilized West being vastly more powerful would simply dismantle a
>potentially dangerous competitor.
>--
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

There is no wonder you people hate Islam and Arabs.  What kind of names are
"Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami and Lahori Poond"?  There are not
arabic nor Western.  This tells me that you have no origin or heritage to
be proud of other than cherishing blindly Western Civilization and
attacking
Islam and Arabs with false allegations.  I just don't understand why you
and people like you keep doing this.  Are you trying to show how Western
civilized you are by attacking Islam and Arabs?

You will never learn from history.  Civilzation goes up and down and this
phenomenon never changed.  Yes the West is powerful now to dismatle muslims
and arabs. But things will change.  Where is the Soviet Union now?  Later,
you will ask, where is the Western Civilization?

It is not the first time in Islamic history that muslims are not strong
enough, but they will eventually come out of it successfull and vectorious
as in the past.  At that time people like you will wonder who they really
belong to.  Meanwhile, just go and find out where your origin is from, and
die from your hatred to us.


- Khaled Salah

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jaber@court.ahmedi.kt (Sheikh Jaber Subah)
Subject: To Martillo
Oranization: Emiri Court, Kuwait
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:17:00 GMT

   Shit was created for people like you to eat, not to post to
this newsgroup. Now fuck off, will ya? Bone apetite (deliberate
"misspelling.")

I do not blame an asshole like you (typical source of shit),
but I blame the naive netters who care to waste their time in
pumping a flat tire like you.

Shit.

--jaber


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: angel@herald.usask.ca (Joseph F. Angel)
Subject: Re: IT'S ARABIC POETRY QUIZ TIME !!!!!!
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:47:54 GMT

In article <angel-290992140400@med007.usask.ca>, angel@herald.usask.ca
(Joseph F. Angel) wrote:
> 
> In article <9209290337.AA22538@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Khaled J
> Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >   Who said:
> > 
> > sa'ahmilu ruhi 'ala rahati   wa'ulqi biha fi mahawi alrada
> > fa'imma hayatun tusirru alsadiqa   wa 'imma mamatun yughithu al'ida
> >                                                     ^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^
> >                                                      {to     {enemies}
> >                                                      drive
> >                                                      crazy}
> > 
> >  For extra points:
> > When/where/ and how did he die?
> > 
> > 
> 
> How about Abu al-Qassem al-Shabby, (Tunisian, 1930s?)
> 

I am wrong.  I confused this with Shabby's:

Idha al-sha`bu yauman araada al-Hayat,
   Fa laa budda an yastajyba al-qadar...

After posting the response, it occurred to me that once upon a time I knew
this poem by heart.... Memories fade 35 years after leaving high school,
you know ;-)

Joe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: Khaled J Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: What to serve with M.E. dinner
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:09:12 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

     The two easiest, and most available, drinks would be Tea or Coffee.
However, Arabs usually do not drink plain tea.  The most common way of making
tea is with mint.  Just put a couple of fresh (or dry) mint leaves in every mug
and pour the tea.  Or you could boil a bunch of leaves with the water before
adding the tea bags.
     As for the coffee, I am talking about the "Turkish Coffee".  Usually it is
served in those tiny cute cups (FINJAN [singular] in Arabic).  I do not really
drink this coffee but I think the "recipe" is {keep in mind that we are talking
about those small cups]:
     one small spoon of sugar
     two small spoons of ground coffee.
     {always add an extra 1/4 cup of water for each cup}
     Bring the water to boil, and then add the sugar and coffee.  And as an
           advice: stay near the range and watch it!!!!

The coffee used (and I'm not 100% certain, but most propably) is a mix of
dark and medium roasted beans.  And it must be finely grinded.
Also, you would add ground CARDAMON (Hab Haal in Arabic) which would make it
smell and taste great.  You would use about 1/4 a small spoon of Cardamon if
you are making two or three cups of coffee.

     Tea in Arabic is: Shaay
     Coffee "       ": Qahwa

Enjoy your dinner (and beware of pork if they are Muslims), have a good time,
and SAHTAYN (Arabic for bon apetite {sp?}, usually used after a person praises
the food (after tasting it or at the end of the meal)).

Wa Salam
----------------------
Khaled Shammout
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Winners of 1st Arabic Poetry Quiz !!!!!
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:15:09 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep30.173549.16257@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
>
>The winner is Sandra Rayes (or shall I say her husband?).  Yes the poet is
>Abdurrahim Mahmud who was born in 'anabta (Tulkarm), in Palestine in 1913.  He
>died fighting for his beloved country in 1948 at the 'ayn al-Shajara battle.

And what does our Sister recieve as a prize?

A thousand blessings from The Almighty, insha'Allah, to
both her and her poet husband :-).

Thank you for posting this, brother Khaled.  It is nice
to have a refreshing (and challenging) post to put our
thoughts on a collective basis and to remember such people
in our minds and prayers, insha'Allah ta'ala.

Anisa
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:38:32 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <2336@gandalf.intel.com> chedley@carthago.intel.com (CHEDLEY_AOURIRI) writes:

>They are afraid of being toppled!!

Yup!

...

>There are also political considerations. Before and during the Gulf War, the 
>British -and to a lesser extent the Americans- extracted from the Saudi and
>Koweiti royal families the promise that English and American companies, businesses
>and citizens will be given preferential treatment when they award contracts 
>and jobs.

Do you have any evidence for this alleged quid pro quo?  I know that 
after the liberation the Kuwaitis said that out of grattitude they
would give preferential treatment to those who helped liberate their
country when awarding reconstruction contracts.  Or does it fall
under the category of an unproved rumor that is given much credibility
simply because it is anti-Western?  It may be true, though, I certainly
can't disprove it but think it is pretty cynical.

>The son of US President George Bush was the first to take advantage of this,
>and his company landed several juicy contracts in Koweit and Saudi Arabia.

Which company and what contracts are you talking about?
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3962 soc.culture.iranian:8370 soc.culture.turkish:10269
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Kosovo: The Next Battle Front in the Balkan
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:03:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep27.183512.20135@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes:
>
>You shouldn't interpret this as lack of concern. But please do tell me
>why countries such as the US or Germany should order their boys into
>life-risking situations which neither they or their countries caused.
>

1. In the war aginst Iraq, Bush said that naked aggression doesn't stand
   to justify the attack.  While, you and I know very well that the
   freedom of Kuwait is not his first concern, why does he lie to the
   American people?  Well, we have in Bosnia another case of naked aggression,
   so where is the American rescuer, the defender of freedom, justice, etc.

2. I think that Europe (notably Germany) is partly to blame for
   rushing Bosnia to beclate its independence so that it may be
   accepted in the EC, and as such should have a moral obligation to help.

3. Nobody talked about America or Europe sending their boys to fight.
   Just lift the arms embargo on Bosnians and let them defend themselves
   against the much much better equipped serb murderes.  That is all
   they are asking; the US/EC doesn't have to lose a single boy or fire
   a single bullet.  Self-defense against aggression is the most basic
   right of any human being.

Ridha
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:13:32 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct05.072107.2417775@locus.com> nkjle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>
>Now, cool it off you two.  *Jihad* is not here yet, and the fight
>already begun.

:-)

>I think Anisa is perfect. 

Jazeka Allaho Kheiran, ya ukhi.  Aren't brothers a little biased
though?  :D

>>intentions.  I am not after you, and I certainly hope in
>		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>		You better not, Mrs Elghani.  :)D :D ::) :D
						     ^^^
				You know that I have glasses?  :-)

:)  Na'm, Yahya ofendi :-)

>Just kidding, don't kill/flame meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee pleeeeeeeeeeeaase!!.

What??  From one who makes the best smilies?

>:) :D :D :) :_] $(*&@#^%*&$#^%&*^$*&#(^%&(*$#^%(*&#$^%(*&^$#*&(%^ :_)
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But what is that?

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: 2 dead on my head
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:38:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: opie.1992Oct2.153854.1
Organization: Bowling Green State University

To Khaled Salah:
   I am an American with ancestry from G.B., France, Germany, Native America,
Ireland, etc.  Because of this, it may be natural for me to step out from
behind the security of nationalism, but I really think that I would feel the
same no matter what my background.  I like to regard myself as a human, rather
than an American. 
   You claim that your people will soon have their turn again, which I don't
debate, but it pains me to think that everybody must take turns.  I will be the
first to admit that the world I live in has benefitted greatly from
Islam/Arab culture, and you would be a fool to deny that you have not gained
from Western rationalism and humanism.  What I want to know, is who declared
this a war, where we all take turns raping another culture and then claiming
its ideals for our own?  Call me crazy, but I believe that there will come a
day when we HUMANS will look back upon historical achievements as a HUMAN
contribution, or if you prefer, something from Allah, but *please* don't tell
me that you're something special because your ancestors used to rule the world. 
I will feel proud when _I_ do something to feel proud of, and otherwise I will
give credit to the HUMAN who outdid me.

Abolish all borders!

Joshua A.
From: ahashim@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ahmed M. Hashim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: q
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:20:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: spartan.1992Sep30.142021.4724
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

In The Name Of Allah Most Gracious Most Mercifull:

Assalm Alyakum to whom it may apply:
   I totaly agree with brother Rida on his response to the question of why 
should Bush send his army to protect or help the muslims of Bosnia.  To 
everyone information, the leader of Bosnia has told reporters that he himself
does not want any amarican fighting for his cause. All what is needed is 
a left on the embargo.  By sanctions, the dirty serbs have an advantage because
the have an arsenal from the previous state; while the muslims don't have
that advantage.  Also, the pupet of the UN Ghali the cheap is trying to 
divert world attention from Bosnia by talking about Somalia.  As a muslim
I love my brothers in somalia as much as the one in Bosnia but since when
that pupet cares about somalia ? Why didn't he do something when he was a
minister in Egypt?
   When the UN eject Serbia, they are basicaly letting them to do what ever
they want to do without any control.

May Allah guide us.  Assalam Alyakum

Ahmed Hashim
~r tag
.
   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: Clumsy Move
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:09:48 GMT


Subject: Hijack suspects arrested in Pakistan
Date: Tues. 30 Sept. 1992 

	ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Five men, including four Saudi nationals,
were arrested Wednesday after two of them allegedly tried to board a
Saudi airliner with guns and explosives hidden in a hand-held tape
recorder, officials said.
	Security police at Islamabad airport arrested the five on suspicion
they were planning to hijack the flight. It was not immediately known if
the five belonged to any political group, but all were theology students
at the International Islamic University in Islamabad.
	Officials said Saudi nationals Khalifa Al-Dossary and Rafidain Al-
Taibi were arrested when the weapons were discovered in a security check
as they tried to board Saudi Arabian Airlines flight SV-363 to Riyadh
late Tuesday night.
	Authorities said five pistols, 150 rounds of ammunition, blasting
powder and a silencer were hidden in the speakers of the tape machine.
	Two other Saudis, Ahmad Bra'a Abu Hashim and Abdullah Ahma, and
Pakistani Abid Muzaffar, who accompanied the other two men to the
passenger lounge, also were arrested as suspected accomplices.
	Al-Dossary and Al-Taibi, who had valid tickets for Riyadh, tried to
board the plane with the tape recorder, when airport security discovered
the weapons and other times on the X-ray machine.
	Officials said they confiscated the contraband items and arrested the
men after finding the items behind the speakers of the tape machine.
	``You don't board a plane with such weapons except when you want to
hijack it,'' said Col. Ikramul Haq, Islamabad airports chief security
officer.
	Airport security later handed over the men to the local police, who
obtained a 14-day judicial remand order wednesday to keep them in
custody during investigation.
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Islam and Science
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:03:55 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <3543@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
writes:

>I'm preparing a History of science term paper where I challenge the
>traditional and overly simplistic Western notion that Islamic scientific
>thought and the contribution of Islamic scholars consisted mainly in the 
>revival of interest in Aristotle and ancient Greek philosophy.  
>At this point I'm at the early stage of
>collecting references.  I've found some, but I think I'll need much more than
>what I have.  If anyone knows any references that may be of help, I'd
>appreciate it.  

Check C. A. Qadir's PHILOSOPHY AND SCIENCE IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD (NY: Croom 
Helm, 1988).  I think there are also a couple of other books by C. A. Qadir 
about this subject.  He discusses the question of Islamic contributions to 
philosophy and science in detail from an Islamic point of view and refutes
the notion that Islamic philosophy is just an echo of the Greek philosophy.

Best of luck,
Ahmad Hashem
ahmad@cs.umb.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh)
Subject: Re: Mohand-Mohamed (Was: Re: Arabic Name)
Organization: Univ. of Washington, Seattle
	<1992Sep26.195639.1581@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<MERIGH.92Sep26153501@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>
	<1992Sep27.005703.6816@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:31:27 GMT


Ridha,

	I apologize for my reaction.  You just happened to touch
on a subject I am weary of.  I was told several times, when I express
an idea that is not in the Arabo-Islamic mainstream that I must
change my name.  I was told very often that I am not "honoring" the 
prophete.  It is as if my parents' choice of a name for me ought to 
control my ideas and conduct during my whole life.

        I have, several times, exprienced prejudice because of my
name.  That, however, does not make me want to change it.  In fact,
the header of my messages have the name "Mohamed Merigh" in them.
I use Mohand and Mohamed interchangeably as a reflection of my
pseudo-Arab/Berber identity, but I identify with Mohand because that
is what I am called in my home-village.

        I reacted with the assumption that you knew that Mohand was
the berber "version" of Mohamed (this made me feel that it was yet
another act of denial of the berbers by Arab).  Therefore, I made sure 
to react with "racist" terms (being racist against somebody is still not
as bad as denying his heritage).  There is nothing worse than when
somebody criticises your name or tries to put your heritage under
the rug (the message I replied to made me feel both).  I'm also 
the only one who signs his name as "Moh&"; so when you said that this 
is used by people ashamed by the name Mohamed, I felt personally targetted.
This is especially because you had already posted an article asking
whether Moh& was an Arabic name (I did not reply because I could
not see what difference that made.)

        Even with all this, I still feel that people should be able 
to pick the names they want, and it is nobody's business to dwell
into that.

Moh& (= Moh + and = Mohand)
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Reason vs. Morals
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:35:45 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

In his article, RE:Arabic Names, ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu says that, although
western science is a wonderful tool, it does not provide morality.  I agree
with (dare I say it?) Martillo when he stated the driving forces of Western
thought to be reason and humanity (Or something along those lines).

Reason is a tool, and a very powerful one at that, but I have come to believe
that unchecked reason is harmful to humanity.  I agree with ahmad one-hundred
percent when he says that something is missing, but my Western upbringing leads
me to believe that reason is supreme.  

I am at a sort of a dilemma here.  On one hand is the belief that truth is more
important than anything else (very roughly analogous to the story of Oedipus 
digging further and further into the truth, even when he knew it was going to 
condemn him.)  On the other hand is the belief that human life is highest on 
the list, (Do unto others, etc..).  Somewhere in-between is Jesus, saying "Love
your neighbor.., and The truth shall set you free.".

I believe that an absolute adherance to reason abolishes morals, so they can't
co-exist, so my question is, which is right.  I have no set ideas on the
subject, so I welcome anyone's response on the subject.  My qustion to ahmad
is, "Who cares about morals?"  and my question to Martillo is, "If reason
doesn't fit my moral code, why live by it?".

Respectfully,

--Joshua
From: hermi@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Quote of the day - Dedicated to Bandar&Co.
Date: 26 Sep 1992 22:52:33 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

Ya 'abida al-haramayni law absartana 
		La ralimta annaka fil 'ibadati tal'abu
man kanna ukhathibu khaddahu bi doumou'ihi
		Fa nouhourouna bi dima-inna tatakhathabu
Aw kana ut'ibu khaylahu fi batilin
		Fa khouyoulouna yawma al-karihati tat'abu
Rihul-'abiri lakum wa nahnu 'abiruna 
		wahju assanabiki wal ghoubarou al-atyabu
walaqad attana min maqali nabiina 
		qawlun sahihun sadiqun la yakthibu
la yastawi wa ghubaru khayli fi 
		anfii imri-in wa dukhanu narin tatalahabu
hathat kitabu Allahi yantiku bayna bil-haqqi
		laysa ashahidu bi mayitin, la yakthibu

Abdullayev ibn al-mubarak or Central-Asian/ Iranian birth and origin,
who didn't need a passport to go from Bukhara to Baghdad.

dedicated to the custodian of the two holy shrines and the family of a
al-sheickh for their sincere service for the deen.
		
Diwana.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4088 soc.culture.turkish:10409 soc.culture.pakistan:15402 soc.culture.afghanistan:1058
From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: 2 dead on Saudi/Qatari Border Dispute Yesterday.
Summary: Unauthorized violation of the Prime Directive.
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:23:24 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
Organization: United Federation of Planets, Division of Earth Monitoring

In article <BvHFt4.G9A@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:

>Yeah just another example to the world of Arab and Islamic unity.
>  We just never learn do we. Every time just blame the west and talk about
>  our victories 500 years ago.

> laters

> Lahori (LHL 111 ) Poond

Arab and Islamic unity is a stupid silly concept.  Neither Arab nor
Islamic culture ever provided 90% of the population with anything but
abject poverty and misery.  Not only has the civilized West provided a
high quality of life for the vast majority of its population, only the
civilized West of all cultures has ever been capable even of providing
food for its own population.  Arab and Muslim people should seek human
unity if they are ever to be happy.  In any case, in the unlikely
event that Arab or Muslim people should achieve unity (depite a
history of continuous and mindless internecine slaughter), the
civilized West being vastly more powerful would simply dismantle a
potentially dangerous competitor.
-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.