From: pmmuggli@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu  (pauline muggli)
Subject: Re: I'm a Bo-oo-zo and I'm okay..
Originator: mdtll@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:51:02 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, Univ. of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

  polowin@chem.queensu.ca (Joel Polowin) writes:
  
>I believe that I was the last person Mary Otto referred to as a "bozo",
>when I put out a request for info about scanned floss colours for the
>scanned-photo-to-stitch-pattern software that I was writing (and have been
>delayed on, but am now almost finished).  Text as follows...
 
  joel quotes mary:
>>>So, okay, my Bozo alarm is going off big time right about now.  It
>>>would take a lot of work, time, and difficult to find equipment to get
>>>an RGB version of the color charts, so he is asking us to do it for him.
   
>>>Gee.  I guess then we will be rewarded by being able to do that which is
>>>beneath him, to make something from his patterns.
 
>... i.e. 'bozo-ing' not because of the automation of the procedure but
>because she somehow read a request for info as a request that people do
>my work for me.  There followed repeated accusations that I was going to
>violate artists' rights by converting other people's photographs to patterns,
>and selling them -- despite repeated statements that I had no such interests.

this is my one and only post on the "bozo alarm."  personally, i
did not feel the poster *this* time was doing anything wrong.  it
was an inquiry from someone ignorant about the scanning to sewing
process.  however, the last "bozo alarm" referred to above, did
irritate me.  i think you correctly pointed that out by the "do my
work for me" statement.   it may have been the way you worded your
request, but i did feel that you wanted us to do the work so that you
could either profit from it or copy patterns already on the market
without paying.

this time, i did not get irritated by the request.  mary may be more
sensitive than other people about this issue, and probably should have
kept the "bozo" comments to e-mail, but she is giving her opinion.  i
didn't feel she was asking me to label these people bozos on her say-so
alone.

my own bozo alarm is set off two ways:
1.  people who want me to do the hard work for them so they can
    make a profit.
2.  people who look down on something because it is hand made.
 
>Mary Otto is almost the stereotypical Pretentious Artist -- has to be done
>HER way, anything else is an insult to the Artist.  I suppose she doesn't
>own a camera (degrading to oil painters), musical reproduction equipment
>(think of all the musicians who can't earn a living, because people would
>rather stay home and listen to a CD!), or video stuff (pity the actors,
>losing out to TV and movies on VCR).
 
>*shrug*  I'm pleased that the overwhelming response to her comments has
>been negative.

ah, so i see you have your own "bozo" alarm where craftsmen are
concerned.  saying this about mary (the generalizations) is what she did
towards you.  tit for tat.  hope you feel better now.
 
to the regular readers of alt.sewing, i apologize for the last
paragraph, sarcasm was intended.  perhaps i should have kept it to
e-mail...

pauline

ps.  i truly hope that the flames die down, and we can get back to
sewing.  i do read one other group that is as nice, we did have a rather
viscious flame war (short lived), and we are now a nice group once
again.  it may not have been forgotten, but it has been forgiven.