From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:34:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.043245.9355@news.ysu.edu> af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:

: Why should I make a guess when you were the one who assumed that the only
: means of getting outta Australia was via a suit-case? In future please

Did I? Read carefully my words!

: : >If he can get out of Australia without passing through customs,
: : >if he wanted to.
: How? Put them into suit cases!

Do you know the meaning of "how" in that context? Since you have not enlighten
us with possibilities, I volunteer to give some possiblilites that immediately
comes to mind.

Another guess from me. I never assert my statement. I am just trying to guess
your mind which you have closed or maybe you just don't think.

: How can he get out of Australia without going through customs and immigration.
: Are you implying that he has a private jet plane? Most royalties are poor in


: include ALL relevant excerpts to support your argument. I believe someone
Have you? Why should you ask me to do that when you do not have to.

: else had mentioned your poor habit of picking bits and pieces of sentences
: that would suit your argument only.

So you are the same mold. Should I teach you the art of quotation? You are not
in a verbal argument when you can deny what you have said. Remember every 
word you write is IMPORTANT. If you think I have misunderstood you, because of
a mistake in english, you should point that out. Do not EVER claim that 
the piece which you write must depend on the whole article. Try to come to
point within a paragraph, unless you have to refer to some previous paragraphs.
If someonw misquoted you because he has chosen the wrong pieces, then by all
means QUOTE the relevant items. This is what I am doing now.
	You have tried to mislead readers by tryingt to misquote my sentences,
by ignoring your and my previous quotes, so I just requote them for the 
readers and you. I do not think that you are that stupid just arrogant. 
REMEMBER you are in written and recorded media.
	Read other posts O.K.

: >: retract this statement before you sound even more stupid. Everyone knows that
: >: the royal families in Malaysia are filthy rich and that's a fact. 
: >You are the more fool. Just becuase there are a few millianoire chinese does
: 
: What has Chinese millionaires got to do with rich Sultans? Stick to the
: point.
Aren't Sultans a kind of race. They are related by birth rights, the same
way chinese are called chinese because their parents are chinese.
	Mind you, some chinese stupidly think that just because they are
born chinese they are superhumans.
	What point you want! Your point that Sultans are all very rich and it
is FACTS. Even ignoring other facts. Even I dare not commit although I have
more samples than you have. 
	Do you know the importance of sampling to the reliability of your data?
Should I teach you STATISTICS again?
: 
: >	Have you met any of them in person? I have a few in fact. They are
: >my colleagues and class-mates. They look ordinary to me. No private jet
: >planes to flaut.
: 
: Nope, never met them. Neither have I met the Sultan of Brunei but would you
: permit me to assume that he's one rich dude too? 
Do you know that about 10% of Brunei population are related to him, distantly,
but still called with royalty names?
	How rich do you think he is when the people topple him from power?
Just look at Marcos?


: 
: >	When you say everyone, they must be those stupid fools who do not
: >even know basic statistics because of their biased views.
: 
: Are you sure I'm the biased one??? I have never mentioned the issue of race
Why bring in ROYALTY issue which is the same thing unless you want to change 
your point again?
	Please note the large number of questions! You just confuse me with
your shifting stands and vagues statements.

: in the first place. My qualms are related solely to your arguments.

Again you are not clear. Which arguments? Most of the time I ask questions.
It was you who claim to have facts which are against my PERSONAL experience.
: Again, stick to the point and stop putting words in people's mouth.
Again which point? Your point only and which one?

: 
: >: Further, one do not need to own a jet plane to fly in one. Haven't you 
: >: heard of the Mamak's A-1 Plane Rental Agency??? Trust me, they even provide 
: >: you with their own custom designed air-sick bags.
: >
: >All they way from Melbourne to Malaysia across the ocean? Which pilot would
: >dare do that? Must be damned expensive. Might as well buy one.
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: My apologies. I didn't realize you were still in the days where Fokker 
: Friendships were king of the skies.
	Again you are not clear. What are you trying to imply? Can I make 
further guesses?
	Your words "Mamak's" implies economical and cheap services. Are you
still trying to hide behind your sinister comments and FACTS!

: That's the problem, amigo. Your use of *LESS-THAN-BASIC* English makes 
: it hard to comprende what you're trying to say.
Did I? Welcome to the world of networking? We are not writing novels!
Improve on your ENGLISH.

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Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
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