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From: fisk@cvdv99.mayo.edu (Tom Fisk | 2D-337 STM | 5-4341)
Subject: ATI Grahics Ultra Pro and system mem limitation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: fisk@mayo.edu
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
Date: 13 Dec 1992 15:19 -0700

We just installed an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro w/2mb into an ISA machine that 
has 16mb of memory.  We then configured windows to use the driver that came
with the ATI card.  When we restarted windows it said we had to turn on the
memory apeture...so went to the MACH32 directory and ran install.  It shows
16mb as system memory and will not allow us to configure the memory apeture
above 16mb.

So what is the deal, the manual says that the board will not work with 16mb
of memory.  Will it work with more?  Or is this ATI card slightly retarded
and can't count past 16mb?  We can put up to 32mb of memory into the system
(it is a 486 2-66).

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup
From: gilem@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: help with mouse in windows 3.1
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:30:02 GMT

I have a bit of a strange problem here with windows 3.1 and a mouse
systems bus mouse.  When I use the mouse driver inside of windows 
(the one that comes with windows), it causes a problem with procomm
plus such that the modem will not accept commands.  This is not a 
run of the mill interupt problem, because I can use the dos mouse.com,
and it says that the bus mouse is using irq5, and procomm works fine.
Is there any way to make windows use the mouse.com driver, rather than
the hardware ones?

Mike
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: kayman@cs.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman)
Subject: Re: COM3 in Windows 3.0
Originator: kayman@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:26:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.022550.20786@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.145550.3531@nic.csu.net> steve@caticsuf.csufresno.edu (Steve Mitchell) writes:
>>
>>I recently installed an internal modem into my 386.
>>My machine was already set up to use COM1 for the 
>>mouse and COM2 as a regular serial port.  I installed
>>the internal modem board as COM3, but can't get it
>>to work under Windows 3.0.
>>
>>	COM1: 3F8  Mouse 
>>	COM2: 2F8  External Serial
>>	COM3: 3E8  Modem Board
>>
>>When I attempt to use COM3 in Xtalk for Windows or
>>in the Windows Terminal program, they say "COM3 is
>>currently assigned to a DOS application.  Do you
>>want to reassign the port to Windows?"
>>
>>When I answer "yes" to the above question the reply
>>is always "Port already in use."
>>
>>All three com ports appear to work fine from DOS.  I'm
>>writing this article from Procomm Plus running on COM3,
>>for example.
>>
>>Any ideas?  What am I doing wrong?
>
>This should really be in an FAQ somewhere...
>
>COM1 and COM3 share the same interrupt..IRQ4.  Sometimes DOS will let you use 
>COM3, even if you already have a mouse on COM1, but Windows (especially 3.0)
>does not work properly with COM3 or COM4, especially if you already have the
>interrupt taken over by another device, such as your mouse.
>   You either have to move your mouse to COM2 (something Windows 3.0 also
>probably won't agree with) or move your modem to COM2.  You *might* try
>putting it on COM4, but the way Windows is with 3 and 4, I doubt it'll work...
>
>-- 
>John Mechalas                                          "I'm not an actor, but

You might be interested in looking at some ftp sites for a program that would
allow to configure COM3/COM4 for windows.  Namely, ftp.cica.indiana.edu has
a file w3setcom.zip in the /pub/pc/win3/util directory.

Hope this helps.

"In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they are not."
"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision
 revised?!?!"

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Originator: comeau@well.sf.ca.us
Reply-To: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Organization: Comeau Computing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:58:05 GMT

In article <9212135427@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>There is one rule to programming you will learn very quickly:
>THERE ARE NO STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO C

That is most certainly an overstatement.

>C++ is even worse.

I'll disagree strongly.  C++ has and will always continue to be more standard
than C.

>Anyhow, in reference to the so-called "ANSI standard"
>the *main* difference is type checking.

Although the most visible aspect (and one of the most talked about) of ANSI C
is function prototypes, there are a number of main differences including
overhaul of the preprocessor, addressing of undefined et al behaviors,
const, etc.

>GCC is being ported by MWC as we speak, so soon you will have an ANSI and
>a C++ (cfront 3 compatible I think) compiler.  Standard?  Far from it.

It won't be cfront 3 compatible.  Various aspect of it will be up to date
though.  Of course there is Comeau C++ (literally cfront 3, currently being
3.0.1'ized on our other platforms, and to be 3.0.2'ized 1Q93), but as I just
mentioned in my previous message, we have been awaiting resolution of a number
of problems from MWC for quite some number of months now.

- Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 16550 support appears buggy
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:23:45 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1757@ocpt.ccur.com> pechter@ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Pechter) writes:
>In article <1992Dec4.050707.21047@wariat.org> sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol) writes:
>>H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
>>
>>: I didn't know there was a setting for getty which includes fall-back
>>: from 9600 bps.  If you have them set to P, this is a FIXED bps rate of 9600.
>>: I am amazed that the fall-back worked at all.
>>
>>From what I can tell from the manual, fallback only works for 2400/1200/300.
>>(I hope I'm wrong.)
>
>You're not wrong.
>
>Fallback is only for 2400/1200/300.

I take it that a lot of people are using modems that don't use flow control.

My serial connection to my T2500 is locked at 19200 baud.  I get incoming
calls at 2400, 9600 V.32, and PEP.  It all works without a problem.

-- 

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From: cwhite@triad.win.net (Christopher White)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Questions regarding swapping and memory
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:21:12 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I am new to PC's and have a couple of questions regarding
swapping and memeory managment.  First is there such a thing
as swapping with coherent.  Also could any one tell me how
coherent manages the PC's memory, and if you need to tell it
about extended/expanded memory. What are the limitations
to memory usage within the coherent operating environment?

______________________________________________________________________
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1105 Duckwood Trails #223
Eagen, MN 55123
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: zjoc01@hou.amoco.com (Jack O. Coats)
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Summary: No Support from CMS
Keywords: tape cms
Reply-To: zjoc01@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:48:53 GMT

In article 9212135421@drktowr.chi.il.us, magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>David Scholten (scholten@esseye.si.com) wrote:
>: 
>: Well, I called Colorado systems today, and they made it clear that
>: they would not support Coherent.  However, if somebody else wrote
>: the device drivers, they might consider becoming the maintainers.
>
>I motion we take our business somewhere else.  If they are so dead set
>against supporting our product, why should we bend over backwards to
>support theirs?  If they had said, "there isn't enough of a user base
>for us to commit R&D and funding to developing one, maybe in a year or
>two" that would still be jerky (IMHO), but at least tactful.
>
>: He did point out that all of the TAPE Drives are compatable with each
>: other.  And that the Specs needed from the QIC committe are:
>: 
>: 	QIC-40	(JUMBO 120 DRIVES)
>: 	QIC-80	(JUMBO 250 DRIVES)
>: 	QIC-117 (COMMUNICATION PROTOCOL)
>: 
>: The phone number for the committee is (805)963-3853
>: 
>
>I'd be willing to try, but I don't own a tape drive.  I am going to purchase
>one (or 2 -- OS/2 has a 120meg drive, and I don't want to back that
>up on floppy!).  I've written a SCSI driver for microchannel before, and
>after that disaster (you should see what MCA is like -- it's great for
>everyone except the programmer) this shouldn't be too bad.  I can look
>at the Linux drivers for the particulars since they also support non-SCSI
>QIC format.
>
>Can anyone recommend a tape drive besides colorado?  If I buy one, I'll
>start playing with it.
>
>: Anybody willing to give this a try?  Or should we try and convince
>: Colorado systems to change their mind?
>
>If they have a lousy attitude, I'd say let's move on.
>
>-Louis
>
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Any brave soul's out there that want to try to write a driver?  I already
own a couple of CMS drives and really don't want to change out once I have
somrething that works for my other (DOS) uses... Jack


Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White)
Subject: Re: how many open files in 4.0.1?
Keywords: open creat fd
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:49:29 GMT


In article <921211159@fcshome.UUCP> fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith) writes:
>Now, another thing that's interesting, is that even though the creat call
>returns -1 when opening file.13, IT STILL CREATES THE FILE. If I hack it
>up a bit so that it loops 20 times without regard to the return from 
>creat() IT CREATES 20 FILES. The same thing happens when using open()
>rather than creat().
>
>Firstly, isn't this an unusually low limit on how many files a process
>can have open ?? (especially on a 4mb machine!?!??), and secondly,
>isn't this bizarre behavior of creating the file even though the
>returned file handle indicates an error rather BIZARRE?  Is this
>a bug (or two) or what?

	20 file descriptors per process is what unix was origionally designed
with.  Some machines still have that limit, most don't.  On some, one must do
a syscall to get the higher limit.

	If you print the file descriptors (get via fileno() on the open FILE* ),
you will probably find that some of that 20 are already open.  If no files
are open, the file descriptor numbers will march from 0 through 19.
	Filedes 0, 1 & 2 are taken up by stdin, stdout & stderr.  If the shell
you are running it from has more than that open, your program will inherit
them as well (open files are inherited as still open by children).  That's
probably why you only get 13 free descriptors.

	The machine here at work doesn't create the file if it can't open it.
Sounds like you've found a bug in the creat() library call (perhaps the system
call itself, but I wouldn't expect that).

-- 
Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:05:04 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

D Parsons (dfp10@thor.albany.edu) wrote:
: What is the problem? We have a standard why not follow it? Some of us
: obtined COHERENT in order to learn programming. Don
: 

There is one rule to programming you will learn very quickly:
THERE ARE NO STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO C

C++ is even worse.  Anyhow, in reference to the so-called "ANSI standard"
the *main* difference is type checking.  K&R C (the Coherent compiler)
doesn't do type checking (well, not really).  It is pretty easy to convert
K&R to ANSI on the fly, and most ANSI compilers will compile K&R programs
so going that way is no problem.  It's a bit harder to convert ANSI to
K&R, but not by much.

The reason the "standard" isn't followed is that K&R was the standard
before ANSI came in.  MWC just hasn't caught up since this would entail
rewriting a good portion of the OS if the ANSI compiler were the system
compiler.  

GCC is being ported by MWC as we speak, so soon you will have an ANSI and
a C++ (cfront 3 compatible I think) compiler.  Standard?  Far from it.
Every compiler does things its own way.

-Louis
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From: patbob@sequent.com (Patrick White)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Calling man for 'two-word' subjects?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:14:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec14.191422.3149
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <3386348@lith.UUCP> kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas) writes:
>Hi:
>	I was wondering how to access man articles for 'two-
>worded' subjects; ie 'modem control'? I can't find it in the manual,
>man modemcontrol, man modem-control and man modem_control all fail.
>Suggestions?

	You almost got it in this posting :-)

	use:
		man "modem control"

	Be sure to put capitals where they do, and use the same number of spaces
in the same places in the word.  A bit clumsy but works.

-- 
Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)
From: mfaurot@bogart.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Questions regarding swapping and memory
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:01:28 GMT
Organization: ism:c:m/xo
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

cwhite@triad.win.net (Christopher White) writes:
: I am new to PC's and have a couple of questions regarding
: swapping and memeory managment.  First is there such a thing
: as swapping with coherent.

The current release (v4) doesn't have virtual memory.  This feature is
slated to be available with the next release.

: Also could any one tell me how
: coherent manages the PC's memory, and if you need to tell it
: about extended/expanded memory.

Coherent uses what in DOS parlance is called Extended memory.  In
other words that memory which can be physically addressed by the
processor.  Coherent does not support expanded memory, which can't be
addressed by the processor.

In terms of "memory management" Coherent v4 uses a flat memory model,
and thus there are no small/medium/large models (ie segmented memory).

The only thing required for Coherent to use the memory in your machine
is to insure that your BIOS is set-up correctly for the amount of RAM
installed in the machine.

: What are the limitations
: to memory usage within the coherent operating environment?

The current limitation, due to lack of virtual memory, is whatever RAM
is physically available in the machine.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:48:07 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Dec14.175700.22691@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>
>>: Anybody willing to give this a try?  Or should we try and convince
>>: Colorado systems to change their mind?
>
>>If they have a lousy attitude, I'd say let's move on.
>
>That's a noble intention.  Just show me a tape drive first that's as
>inexpensive as Colorado and as proven as Colorado.
>I think we should try to convince them first.

The real answer is SCSI tape.

Tape drives that connect to floppy controllers suck.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: dfilip@cathena.colornet.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: perl??
Keywords: perl
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:45:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Summary: What is Perl ?

vic spicer writes:
>has anyone out there got perl working on coherent yet?    

I have seen a number of inquiries into perl. What is it ?

Regards,

Dave

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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Mailinglist??
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:03:57 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

earthbound misfit, I (kilroy@acme.gen.nz) wrote:
: No need. There's already a gateway between comp.os.coherent and a mailing
: list - the mailing list was actually in existance first. Someone on the list
: reading this can probably tell you more details. It may even be mentioned in
: the FAQ.

Ok.  Then I'll just keep a port list.  That's all the mail I've had about
it so far.  I'll put it up in like 2 weeks to make sure everyone has had
a chance to reply.

-Louis
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: ksh@hobbes.ds.boeing.com (K. Scott Hunziker)
Subject: full mawk1.1.2c uploaded
Summary: full source code for mawk 1.1.2c uploaded to raven
Keywords: mawk gawk awk AWK
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:54:17 GMT

I just uploaded the mawk 1.1.2c source to raven.alaska.edu.  mawk is
an interpreter for the AWK Programming Language.  It is generally
faster than gawk; both are very good implementations of new awk.

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ksh@hobbes.ds.boeing.com
From: eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Linux ??????
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:17:07 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


  hi,

    what is  linux ???
     How does it compare to COH ?????
      Where do I get it from ?????
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Subject: Working lex for v4.0?
Organization: IIT--Institute of Increasing Tuition.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 12:05:30 GMT

Does anyone know if MWC has released a working lex for v4.0?  I get a
core dump when I try to run the following code (after it's been
lex'd and compiled).

Randy Wright's port of flex is even worse (flex is bad, not the port): it
creates an ever-growing lex.yy.c file.  Sheesh.

Anyway, this code works with UMAX 4.3 (bsd) and NeXTSTEP 3.0 (also bsd)
without a hitch, and it's logically correct--to me anyway.

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
%S REPLY FROM SUBJECT QUIT GET BINARY ASCII HELP CONNECT
%%
<FROM>[^\n]+	printf("FROM: %s\n",yytext);
<FROM>\n	BEGIN 0;
From:" "	BEGIN FROM;

<SUBJECT>[^\n]+	printf("SUBJECT: %s\n",yytext);
<SUBJECT>\n	BEGIN 0;
Subject:" "	BEGIN SUBJECT;

<REPLY>[^\n]+	printf("REPLY: %s\n",yytext);
<REPLY>\n	BEGIN 0;
[rR][eE][pP][lL][yY]" "	BEGIN REPLY;

<QUIT>[^\n]+	printf("QUIT\n");
<QUIT>\n	BEGIN 0;
[qQ][uU][iI][tT]	BEGIN QUIT;

<HELP>[^\n]+	printf("HELP\n");
<HELP>\n	BEGIN 0;
[hH][Ee][lL][pP]	BEGIN HELP;

<GET>[^\n]+	printf("GET: %s\n",yytext);
<GET>\n	BEGIN 0;
[gG][eE][tT]" "	BEGIN GET;

<BINARY>[^\n]+	printf("BINARY\n");
<BINARY>\n	BEGIN 0;
[bB][iI][nN][aA][rR][yY]	BEGIN BINARY;

<ASCII>[^\n]+	printf("ASCII\n");
<ASCII>\n	BEGIN 0;
[aA][sS][cC][iI][iI]	BEGIN ASCII;

<CONNECT>[^\n]+	printf("CONNECT: %s\n",yytext);
<CONNECT>\n	BEGIN 0;
[cC][oO][nN][nN][Ee][cC][tT]" "	BEGIN CONNECT;
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Regards,

Pred Bundalo
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Additional library directories
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:06:36 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <ffX602Nk2eHR01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tpa10@snappy-tom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Thomas P. Anderson) writes:
>[...horror story about failed CNEWS port and Coherent shell...]
>Just wondering, now that we have tcsh available to us, will that get
>you past those problems?  Seems a shame to give up after all that 
>work.

No, tcsh or csh won't do it, as they are not compatible to /bin/sh.

There is only one non-AT&T shell that is close to AT&T /bin/sh.  And that
is GNU bash.  It should be perfect for CNEWS.  I've been using bash here
since July or so.  MWC has bash that compiles with patches from various
people.  When linked to /bin/sh, it acts like sh.  The only problem is
that an invocation of bash, according to ps, uses up 350k of memory.  I'm
not sure how much of that can be shared text.

Bash was ported by Esa Ahola, me, and Bob H. at MWC
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