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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:12:49 GMT
Organization: A mythological place called Bramming


  You are all talking ancient history. Vestkysten has been merged with 
Jydske Tidende and is now sold under the awful name Jydske-Vestkysten.


-- 
I neither can nor will at this or any other (previous or coming) moment
in time respect anyone or anything wearing a baseball cap and/or a pair
of boxershorts, unless the wearing of these artifacts is an important
part of a contract giving said individuals or creatures an income of more
than 10 times the average for people with similar educational background.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:51:17 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Oct7.153623.8104@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua.ericsson.se >
Are you sure they convert from christianity? In Sweden, most bishops
> are marxist, and only a few percent of the population beleive in the
> christian god.

I do think this statement is a little bit over-the-top. However an
interesting observation is that in the Nordic countries the majority
of the population are Lutherans. However if you really start to
inquire their personal world views it's seldom you find a true
blue Christian. However, here in US, by joining a church you are 
most likely a true Christian believer. 

I'm a good example of a Lutheran by tradition, not by faith. I do
know of many others that belong to the church due to family tradition
rather than belief in this Christian doctrine. Anyway, feel free to
comment, I guess this statement is a little bit controversial as well.

Cheers,
Kent

	Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to	investigate. -F.M.
Knowles
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: The latest about the lion
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:42:08 GMT


This was published in the local Joensuu newspaper Karjalainen,
10 Oct 1992. Copied without permission.


THE RUOKOLAHTI LION HAS NOT BEEN SEEN IN THE AUTUMN

Exotic summer guest may have returned to Russia


The female lion which was seen in Ruokolahti last summer has not been
seen in the autumn. Wild life researcher Erkki Nyholm said on Tuesday
that the lion only paid a short visit to Finland and then returned to
the Karelian Isthmus [in Russia] where it had escaped from a circus
train last May. The lion escaped after the train had derailed.

[Next chapter deleted, in which Mr Nyholm says that the lion can not
stay alive in Finnish winter.]

The lion was seen three times last summer, and Mr Nyholm found her
pawprints in the area.

Last summer, while visiting Finland, the chief of the Zoological
Laboratory in Petroskoi [this is spelled something like Petrodzavosk
in English, I think :-] University, Pyotr Ivan Danilov, told that in
May Petroskoi Radio had broadcast warnings about the escaped lion, and
the villagers in Miinala [in Russia] had fed the lion.

[The rest of the article, describing the techniques of training lions
in circus (electric whips), and guns suitable for lion hunting,
deleted.]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mwilson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Archive site for soc.culture.nordic
Keywords: Archive site norway alphabet
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:34:13 GMT


I have been attempting to locate a site that archives recent articles
that have appeared in this newsgroup.  I tried the archie system hoping
it would help but I found nothing.

Does a system SOMEWHERE in the world archive this newsgroup?  Or,
if that is not available I would like to get the messages from the
Norwegian Alphabet thread if someone has saved them.  The more the better.
 
I greatly appreciate any help!
 
-Mark

Mark Wilson                        |
101 Randolph St.                   | ``Men are cruel, but man is kind.''
Canton, Massachusetts, 02021       |                             Tagore,
U.S.A.  tlf: 617-575-9772          |             from Stray Birds, ccxix 
mwilson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu  |
From: tomas_e@NMRVAX.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:15:03 GMT
Reply-To: tomas_e@NMRVAX.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <FISCHER.92Oct10064318@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>Bertil> There is a Danish nazi that has divorced his wife to marry a
>Bertil> palestinian refugee.
>
>And a leader of a nazi organization at that. I'm not sure she's a
>refugee, though. He claims she's a "white Arab" (whatever that means
>-- no reason to try to understand these guys "logic")

We all know that Danes speak like they had their mouth full of porridge (*)
so perhaps he just had a hard time distinguishing between "ayrian" and 
"ayrab". :-) Or else he thought (assuming these fellows know how to 
think -- skinheads with more hair than brain are rather common (-:) "The 
jews are my enemies, and the palestinians are the enemies of the jews; 
ergo the palestinians are my friends!"

(*) If I'm not mistaken, Danes from Bornholm speak like they just had 
their mouth half-full of porridge.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:27:03 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Oct8.131733.19637@ugle.unit.no> hafting@Lise.Unit.NO (Helge Hafting) writes:
>Perhaps people that convert arent really serious about religion, they just
>convert because it is convenient?

  Unfortunately, converts are usually extremely serious about religion:
thery're generally much more fanatic than the 'old belivers' since the
old belivers may be in that religion by force of habit or tradition, while
the converts have to believe strongly enough in the new religion to be 
willing to go through the difficult conversion.

  Furthermore, most converts seem to assume that since they have abandoned
superstition X for supersition Y, everybody else should see the truth and do
the same, immediately. And if all others don't they're harangued for being
stupid, unenlightened, heathens, evil, devil-worshippers and generally
enemies of the faith.

  Converts are a pain in the ass.

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
		"Revive the Swedish-Madagascan Brigand Pact!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: Denmark
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:55:50 GMT

d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
: In article <FISCHER.92Oct11195451@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
: >Tomas> We all know that Danes speak like they had their mouth full of
: >Tomas> porridge (*)
: 
: >Just as s Swede talks just like he just had 6 Carlsberg Elephant.
: 
:   It is well known that if a drunken Dane staggers around in K|penhavn all
: the non-drunken Danes will point at him and say 'Bloody Swedes! going here
: and making a nuisance out of themselves!'.

  Just to complete this discussion, an old Czech idiom: if somebody is 
totally and quite drunken, he is "drunken as a Dane" :-)

						Tom
PS: flames are accepted in Danish, too :-))
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Denmark
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:25:42 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Oct12.172212.2564@ns.network.com> muchow@zebo.network.com (Jim Muchow) writes:
>Aah, but drunken Danes wouldn't be making a nuisance of themselves. That's
>how you tell the difference.

  You're merely proving my point:)

>Jim Muchow - heh

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
		"Revive the Swedish-Madagascan Brigand Pact!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mtf@saha.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma)
Subject: Re: M.A.Nummenen(spesific) Finnish music(in general)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:08:27 GMT

In article <JAAW.92Oct7094343@per.itk.unit.no> jaaw@itk.unit.no (Jan Aage Walseth) writes:
>I hope somebody out there can help me. I'm looking for information
>about M.A. Nummenen (MAN)(do not know if the initials are right), a finnish
>composer/singer/performer. He had a performance at the Molde Jazz
>Festival this year, and he's given out an LP/CD where the sings
>Wittgensteins Tractatus, and rumor tells that he did a tour of Finland
>this summer (Nummenen sang accompanied by banjo).  Hope that this pins
>out this artiste extraoridnare.
>
>What I in specific am  looking for is an address to a record shop where
>I can order Nummenens works. The must be willing to sell by mail to
>Norway.

 You might try Fazer Music, Aleksanterinkatu 11, Helsinki - they claim to
be the biggest music shop in scandinavia, so they should have a fair col-
lection of his records. (BTW, it's spelled 'Numminen' - not 'Nummenen').

 I'm not a great fan of his music, so I can't really give recommendations..
What he does is mostly verbal acrobatics and quite funny as such, but this
of course goes unnoticed for someone who doesn't speak finnish. However, the 
Wittgenstein Tractatus, which you mentioned, has been praised especially
for the music and is supposedly a masterpiece (but I can't confirm since I 
haven't heard it). Could be worth trying.

 Lately, he's been engaged in a children's TV-show and has been making a lot
of "children's" music, which you might want to avoid.

>Sorry that I do not know more about finnish music, but it is hard to
>find records from Finland here in Norway. I've tried to find music of
>Nummenen, Esa Kottilainen, Seppo Pakkulainen, Helena Valkiapaa and 
>Ailohas but in vain. 

 Never heard of these people before... are they folk musicians or what?

 One doesn't hear much norwegian music here either (except for A-ha :-)...
But finnish music is doing quite fine, I recommend you try for example 
22-pistepirkko or Krakatau if you ever come across to their records. (22-
pistepirkko is an indierock/pop-band, which has been relatively succesful
in the international indie-scene as well. Krakatau used to be something
of a jazz band, but has recently included more and more rock elements in
their music, as well as other, harder-to-define -influences, so it isn't
really jazz any more. They have a *superb* guitarist called Raoul Bj|rken-
heim).

--
Antti Lahelma 			GNOTHI SEAUTON
mtf@saha.hut.fi			====== =======
stel@purkki.apu.fi		 TUNNE ITSESI
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From: sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku Sakkinen)
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:09:21 GMT

In article <ksand-091092102039@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>Hi, took some time before I got the latest number of Vestkusten, the
>magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.
> ...

So why is the name of magazine in Norwegian?!

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       SAKKINEN@FINJYU.bitnet (alternative network address)
Department of Computer Science and Information Systems
University of Jyvaskyla (a's with umlauts)
PL 35
SF-40351 Jyvaskyla (umlauts again)
Finland
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From: minow@Apple.COM (Martin Minow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:14:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


It should be pointed out that Swedish TV broadcast a "human" series based
on Jansson's Muumintroll characters. As I recall, the actors were primarily
from the Swedish theater in Helsingfors. It was *very* faithful to the
original. The series was broadcast in 1975 or thereabouts.

Martin Minow
minow@apple.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: Re: Wang OPEN/image document imaging for AIX starts shipments
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:11:31 EST

Regarding the question just posted by Juhana Kouhia of Tampere as to
why I posted our reply confirming that Wang OPEN/image for AIX is
in fact shipping now:

The comment was posted in response to the totally inaccurate comment
posted by someone else that the product was not shipping.  I'm not
planning to repost that misinformation, but if anyone would like me to
send them that erroneous posting, I'll be glad to do so.  In general,
people should not go around posting totally inaccurate comments about
companies' products without at least trying to do some checking beforehand,
or maybe asking.  As further evidence that it is shipping, the October
issue of Corporate Computing has an article on their benchmark "tests of
imaging engines."  They "tested seven popular products" and found that
Wang's AIX document imaging has the leading price/performance, and
"performed best in our tests" of the non-proprietary systems.  "If you're
looking for screaming performance, a highly scalable system, and a Unix
solution you should definitely investigate this platform."  Wang's PC
document imaging version was "the fastest PC imaging solution we tested."
I'll be happy to air mail a copy of this lengthy article and benchmark
test report to anyone who wants one.  (It's too long to rekey for Emailing.)

If there's any still any doubt about whether OPEN/image AIX document imaging
is shipping now, it can next be seen November 11-13 at the 100 square meter
Wang stand at the UNIX/Open Systems Expo just outside of Stockholm.  (People
in Tampere will be able to see it shortly in Helsinki/Espoo also.)

Maybe we'll just post future release announcements of Wang AIX document
imaging to the IBM Munich AIX newsletter broadcast over these newsgroups!

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fslsh@ocs01.lerc.nasa.gov (Lennart S Hultgren)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:42:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.221319.27057@nntp.hut.fi> tenkanen@lesti.hut.fi (Marko Tenkanen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.063050.3862@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>>etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes:
       
                [stuff deleted]

>>What is ironical in The Nordic States that especially the ladies convert
>>into the Islam. We are thought that the women of Scandinavia are for freedom
>>and libarated and "the most progressive" in the world. Then you notice that
>>Also in Finland the converts are mostly ladies!
>
>How many times you have been with islamic women? With how many
>free islamic girls have you dated or even seen here in Finland? The reason
>why the nordic women change their religion is that they have to convert
>if they want to live with that islamic guy. 

Wrong:  The wife of a moslem can have any religion including none.  On
the other hand the husband of a moslem *must* be moslem.  

               [stuff deleted]


>>: 
>>:       I started wondering how it can be that a native Swedish woman
>>:       convert to Islam. Love, of course, but isn't it typical that it is
>>:       always the woman who adjust to the man and not vice versa. Even

               [stuff deleted]

>>The question is very interesting from the sociological point of view.
>>Why especially the scandinavian ladies convert into Islam and not the men?
>>Does some scandinavian women dislike the mathriarchat, "freedom",
>>sexual liberation,liberalism,the position of the family in Scandinavian
>>society...or what.
>
>
>LOVE changes everything!
>
>
>I think that the same thing happens everywhere, not only in nordic countries!

Yes

>
>>jarmo
>
>>:       Mats Winberg
>>:       Stockholm, Sweden
>
>Marko
>
>More turists to Finland!!!!
>
>:-)
>
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Email: hultgren@lerc.nasa.gov | NASA Lewis Research Center | my views and those
Voice: (216) 433-6070         | Cleveland, OH 44135        | of my employer is
FAX:   (216) 433-8864         |                            | purely accidental
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Gazza
Keywords: Gazza, football, fuck
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:55:29 GMT

--


I read in todays paper (Dagbladet) that there is a "flame war" going on
between England and Norway after Gazza (the Lazio football player) said
(as a joke) "Fuck you Norway" when he was attempted interviewed by the
Norwegian television. At least, the English papers say there is.

The truth is, as seen from my position (Norwegian in Norway...) as
follows :

I saw the "interview", and heard what Gazza said (with a grin), on
Norwegian television sunday evening. I saw, and heard someone (the
English manager ?) say "It's a joke, a silly joke", hurrying after
Gazza. I smiled at it, thinking "boys are boys", then I forgot it all.

Until today, when I read Dagbladet. According to Dagbladet English
newspapers say that it's a Norwegian hate campaign going on, to destroy
the English team's mental balance before the football game on Wembley
tomorrow.

A pity I didn't know anything of what the Norwegian newspapers write.
I suppose I haven't read Norwegian newspapers this week - if I did, I
surely should have seen the "hate campaign"......


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jaaw@itk.unit.no (Jan Aage Walseth)
Subject: M.A.Nummenen(spesific) Finnish music(in general)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology / SINTEF, Trondheim, Norway
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:43:43

I hope somebody out there can help me. I'm looking for information
about M.A. Nummenen (MAN)(do not know if the initials are right), a finnish
composer/singer/performer. He had a performance at the Molde Jazz
Festival this year, and he's given out an LP/CD where the sings
Wittgensteins Tractatus, and rumor tells that he did a tour of Finland
this summer (Nummenen sang accompanied by banjo).  Hope that this pins
out this artiste extraoridnare.

What I in specific am  looking for is an address to a record shop where
I can order Nummenens works. The must be willing to sell by mail to
Norway. I had the address to a fairly wellstocked (looked so from the
leaflet) shop, named "digelius" in Helsinki, but unfortunately I lost it. 


Some recommendations/discography of MAN would also be appreciated.
What is the essential works in his production, what should I not buy.
I've heard him sing early contemporary american music ("Itsy bitsy
teenie weenie yellow polka dot bikini") on norwegian radio and that
sounded ok. Has he given out an LP/CD with that?

Sorry that I do not know more about finnish music, but it is hard to
find records from Finland here in Norway. I've tried to find music of
Nummenen, Esa Kottilainen, Seppo Pakkulainen, Helena Valkiapaa and 
Ailohas but in vain. So hope somebody can help me out with Nummenen.

In fact the last Finnish music that had a widespread use in Norway was
Hurriganes. They where BIG in Finnmark, the northernmost county in
Norway, some 15 years back.



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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Danmark's Hafnia Scandal
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:38:31 GMT
	<1992Oct5.060218.20146@spectrum.CMC.COM>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "LP" == Lars Poulsen (lars@spectrum.CMC.COM)

LP> In American terms, the county invested the excess cash in their general
LP> fund in junk bonds issued by Hafnia, which then went broke.

As an added twist, Hafnia went broke in a rather "interesting" way. A
new company was formed, everything of value was transferred to it, and
the old company (now having only debt) went broke. It's a good
question if the old company was really insolvent when this move was
made.

What really surprised was that this move seems to be completely legal.

There has been any news about Kaalund for some time. There are so many
scandals relating to the Hafnia story that a few 100 Mkr hardly
matters to anyone. I'm sure the case is moving along somewhere, right
there with the Tamil case, the AMBI case, etc etc.

We live in interesting times.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Swedish parliament open for the season
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Oct8.184237.15126@kth.se>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:05:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.184237.15126@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
 (Tomas Eriksson) writes:

   >(*) The question about "freedom of information" has surfaced lately, as 
   >something which can create controversy. The Swedish version of this is 
   >different from the anglosaxon countries where the term is used.

  You mean American, surely. There is nothing in Britain corresponding to
the Freedom of Information Act. On the contrary, in Britain, by the
"Official Secrets act" everything is secret, unless explicitly declared
non-secret.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation
From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:16:30 GMT


Of course Moomins have hair. Not fuzz, to my understanding, but
sleek white fur.  Snorkmaiden (Niskoneitti?) also has a "fringe"
which she is much taken with.  She loses it in an unfortunate
episode in Moominsummer Madness (whereafter Moomintroll describes
her as being "without hair"), whence I conclude that the white
pelt doesn't really count as "hair".