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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:54:07 CST
From: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs KB5SNF)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Subscribable Mailing Lists on Internet?
Organization: The Red Headed League; Lawton, OK, USA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 48, Message 6 of 13

In comp.dcom.telecom, tdarcos@access.digex.com writes:

> Someone else may have the list of Internet based subscribable lists, I
> know there is one I just don't know who makes it.  I will CC this
> message to TELECOM Digest and allow the readers there to give some
> insight.

Send a message to info-server@nnsc.nsf.net  include the following text
in the body of the message:

    request: info
    topic: interest-groups

The subject is ignored this will send you the List of Lists which is
872K; for this reason, I haven't actually requested it.

To get the help file for this info-server, send a message to
info-server@nnsc.nsf.net. The Subject field does not matter and may be
omitted. Place the following text in the body of the message:

	request: info
        topic: help

I have done this, and you should probably do this first.

There is much shorter list posted crossposted to news.lists,news.
announce.newusers,news.answers.  If you don't have access to Usenet it
can be requested by email, to find out how send a message to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the following text in the body:

path <your-return-mail-path-here>
help
quit


Internet: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:20:37 EST
From: TAMIL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Call Forwarding From One Line
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 46, Message 9 of 12

Hi,

  After talking on my home phone I would like to transfer that call to
another phone number. Is there any way I can do this, other then
buying a PBX and getting a second line.

Thanks in advance.


Jay    tamil@qucdn.queensu.ca


[Moderator's Note: If you intend to stay on the line with the third
party, just use three-way callling. If not, you might try using a
service like 'Starline' (IBT's name for it), a sort of 'home centrex'
type service which allows calls to be transferred to another phone
outside your premises and you to disconnect.   PAT]
From: dwn@dwn.ccd.bnl.gov (Dave Niebuhr)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: N.E. Telephone Admits Riposs - Refuse Restitution
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:43:13 GMT
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 37, Message 3 of 15

In TELECOM Digest V13 #29 Scott Hannahs <sth@slipknot.mit.edu> writes:

> This is an interesting problem in that they seem to be hitting
> universities and modem users.  I have heard from at least one other
> person who was misbilled involving other exchanges.  This problem
> applies to unlimited local service where you get an unlimited number
> of very local calls un-itemized bill for not-so-local calls.

Much text deleted ... dwn

What I did when the Suffolk County, New York, government obtained
three exchanges for its own use and found that an overbilling was
occurring on calls to one of them was to file a formal complaint with
the New York Utility (oops, Public) Service Commision when I received
exactly no response from NYTel.

How did I find out and prove my case?  I simply asked the NYTel people
to start sending me a Detail Charge Listing on a permanent basis so
that I could monitor these calls.  While my local calls aren't listed
I found that *all* calls made by each assigned phone number are
logged.  NYTel goofed and listed a call from 516-395-XXXX to
516-281-XXXX which are both *in my house*, in the same CO and serve
the same three communities.

The overbilling is now finished and I pay the normal rate to call that
particular exchange.  It took over a year of pleading, talking,
attempting to prove that I was right and simply telling the NYTel rep
that she/he didn't know what they were talking about.


Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:07:11 CST
From: mattair@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Charles Mattair)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: University Telephone System (and Integretel in General)
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 48, Message 8 of 13

In article <telecom13.43.6@eecs.nwu.edu> udi@cs.washington.edu (Udi
Manber) writes:

> [PAT writes]:

> [Moderator's Note: You say 'the main purpose of such schemes is to
> defraud someone ...'  Who, may I ask, is attempting to defraud whom?
> 800 numbers being forwarded is one thing, but the willful acceptance
> of a collect call when you were notified by the operator that so and
> so was calling collect and the charge would be so much per minute is
> quite another.

Pat,
  
Billing collect calls without authorization appears to be a fairly
prevalent problem.  My daughter had an ATT Call Me (sm) with the old
style number (713 498 xxxx pppp).  After getting tired of $2.50 (or
more) local payphone calls, I changed the card to one with the new
style number which AOSs cannot bill against (If I can't talk her into
using a SWB phone, force her ;-) ).

Hah ... some of the AOSs, not to be denied, just silently converted
the call to collect.  I didn't have collect/third party blocking at
the time so I don't know if this would have affected the billing.

I never succeeded in arguing the phone company out of any of the
collect charges.

PS: Once she got her own number and card and phone bill, she started
paying attention when I grumbled about AOS ripoffs.


Charles Mattair				mattair@synercom.hounix.org
Any opinions offered are my own and do not reflect those of my employer.
Gates and Walton are the perfect reasons for a wealth tax.
From: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu (TELECOM Moderator)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Administrivia: Bad Digest Number
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:01:08 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 44, Message 1 of 15

Issue 43 got sent out to Usenet as issue 43, and to the mailing list
the same way, except on the mailing list version, the mail header
referred to it as issue 42.  Please take your copy of 43 and edit the
mail header (if you keep it) so that it reads issue 43. 

 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:55:03 -0600
 > From: TELECOM Moderator <telecom@delta.eecs.nwu.edu>
 > Message-Id: <199301250655.AA02619@delta.eecs.nwu.edu>
 > To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu
 > Subject: TELECOM Digest V13 #42

 > TELECOM Digest     Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:54:50 CST    Volume 13 : Issue 43

 > End of TELECOM Digest V13 #43
 > *****************************

Sorry about that.   


PAT
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:50:19 GMT
From: dalk@login.dkuug.dk (Lars Kalsen)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Billing Systems
Organization: DKnet
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 46, Message 8 of 12

Hi,

I am interested in references to a book or article where Billing
Systems are discussed in brief, or a comparison is made.

If you have any suggestion - please E-mail me the reference.


Lars Kalsen, MIS-Manager
SONOFON, Skelagervej 1, 9000 Aalborg, Denmark
+45-99-367000 (tel), +45-99-367070 (fax), E-Mail : dalk@login.dkuug.dk

SONOFON is the private operator in Denmark on
the new European digital cellular GSM-Network
From: henry@ads.com (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Good Opportunity For Fraud
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:21:12 GMT
Reply-To: henry@ads.com
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 37, Message 13 of 15


 From: Patrick Lee <patlee@Panix.Com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:33:21 -0500 (EST)

> The Citibank ATM's in Chicago eat the card for a minute and
> spit it out when finished with it.

> I guess Chicago's Citibank has older ATM machines than we have here in
> New York City.  

Actually, they have newer ones.  Citibank was, I think, the first bank
in the New York metro area to offer ATM cards ... and they designed
all their own hardware (nobody else was doing it at the time). From
day one, Citibank ATMs in New York did not have the possibility of
retaining your card (they even used to advertise this fact ... some
customers early on were wary of machines which "ate" the card for a
while).

Citibank banks in other parts of the country are different banks using
what looks like any of the usual range of ATM machines available to
banks everywhere.

Some inaccuracies have probably crept in; it's been many years since
This info was useful to me.


# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>


[Moderator's Note: We still have some machines of the type where you
dip the card, and a few where you swipe it through a card reader, then
imprint a receipt and take the receipt to a cashier for payout (at the
grocery store.)  PAT
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:11 PST
From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: 313 Split Not Being Well Publicized
Reply-To: John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com>
Organization: Green Hills and Cows
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 48, Message 13 of 13

hpa@merle.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) writes:

>> Permissive dialing
>> starts December 1993, and ends (with mandatory use of 810) August 10,
>> 1994.

> That's a long permissive dialing period.

Hah! Got than one beat by a country mile. Somewhere back in 1959 or
1960, 408 was split off from 415. I happened to notice this because of
my practice of reading the phone book for fun (makes great "library"
reading, if you know what I mean). Anyway, callers from out of state
could use 415 or 408 for south bay numbers interchangably for several
years.

But here is the best part. It was possible to omit the area code if
you happened to be calling within the metro Bay Area, even if your
call crossed area code boundaries until 1982. In other words, up until
eleven years ago, San Francisco was a seven digit call from San
Jose -- even though the NPA had been split more than TWENTY YEARS
previously!


John Higdon  |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115     |       FAX:
john@ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | 10288 0 700 FOR-A-MOO | +1 408 264 4407
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:34:35 GMT
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Does Anyone...?
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 46, Message 7 of 12

Does anyone know of an answering machine that captures CLI info?  (It
is clearly possible, since the boxes that display the number can
gobble the ASCII without "picking up" the line, an answering machine
should be able to do it too.)

[OTOH, if somebody makes a fortune on this idea I'd like a 5%
inventors fee ...]


Wex
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:00:28 GMT
From: trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Do You Think This is a Fraudulent Ad? : )
Organization: Foretune Co., Ltd.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 42, Message 14 of 14

Paul Robinson <FZC@CU.NIH.GOV> writes:

> An advertisement on page 3 of the January, 1993 issue of "Midrange
> Computing" mentions Exabyte Corporation's new 2.5 Gigabyte EXB-8200.

> This is a 150% inflation of the number of issues that you could read
> before you'd find an error!  I resent this; if I only read 40 million
> years' worth of the {Wall Street Journal} before I discovered an
> error, I'd not be pleased.

Clearly, the good folks at Exabyte are compressing their {Wall Street
Journal's} before storing them on hard disc.  I know I would!


Robert J. Woodhead, Biar Games / AnimEigo, Incs.    trebor@forEtune.co.jp
AnimEigo US Office Email (for general questions): 72447.37@compuserve.com
From: cereghin@netcom.com (Jon Cereghino)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: KS-19522L1 (Two Wire)
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:14:51 GMT
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 44, Message 8 of 15

I'd like to know if anyone could provide information to hookup a
KS-19522L1 tw0-wire recorder coupler. There are a number of screw
terminals on the board for which I have no information. I'd like to
connect the unit to a 1A2 key system.

I would be willing to pay copying costs to someone who has the Bell
System Practices (including schematic diagrams) for this unit. It's
for hobby use, so my budget is limited to about $10 or so. 

I would also like to know if anyone has a source for 106 type
loudspeaker sets (used). Two companies currently make new ones but
they cost $200-325 each. I bought the one I have for $20.

E-mail reply is preferred to preserve the TELECOM Digest noise floor's
low level.


Jon    cereghin@netcom.com
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:28:32 GMT
From: dan@phoenix.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Good Opportunity For Fraud
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 39, Message 6 of 12

Quite some years ago, in my previous job, I travelled frequently to
New York City with a co-worker who, everytime we passed an ATM of a
certain brand and model, would walk up to it and punch in a few
numbers.  You know, sort of like the people that absent-mindedly open
the coin-return door on a payphone.

After a few times, I got curious and asked why he made the effort.  He
said that he had worked for the manufacturer of that particular ATM
during college.  His job was at the end of the assembly line; he
tested the bill dispenser by entering the secret code for supervisor
state and then entering a diagnostic code that made the dispenser
cycle through the dispense cycle as fast as it could go.

He just _KNEW_ he'd find an ATM where somebody had left it in
supervisor state after doing some work on it ...

If he ever does, there'll be a snowstorm of bills coming out.

He never would tell ME the code, though.


L. W. "Dan" Danz     (WA5SKM)     VOS Mail:  Dan_Danz@vos.stratus.com
Sr Consulting Software SE         NeXT Mail: dan@az.stratus.com
Customer Assistance Center        Voice Mail/Pager: (602) 852-3107
Telecommunications Division       Customer Service: (800) 828-8513
Stratus Computer, Inc. 4455 E. Camelback #115-A, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: MCMANGPH@NUSVM.BITNET (Ang Peng Hwa)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: US Losing Lead in Telecom -- USC Report
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:33:44 GMT
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 37, Message 7 of 15

I had written:

> The study added: "During this remarkable period  of rapid technological
> progress and obsolescence, asset lives for public network equipment of
> local exchange companies have actually increased in the US. Nations like
> Japan, the United Kingdom, Singapore and others write off and replace
> equipment twice as fast as most US carriers.
 
Jim Gottlieb replied:


> I suspect it is much easier to upgrade existing facilities when your
> country is much smaller than the vast United States. What does Singapore
> have to do to upgrade to digital? Cut a few cables and run a few fiber
> strands?

Jim, you are right that Singapore has an edge in its compactness when
it comes to going digital. So that report has to be taken with some
salt.  (I spoke to a mid-level manager at Singapore Telecom and he
said as much.  This is an about face from not too long ago when big
was regarded as better.)
 
But I think the report is right on the money when it notes that while
others are writing off equipment faster, the US is going in the
opposite direction. This may be due to the recession but it does not
bode well in the long term.
 
Personally, I am bit concerned with the headlong rush here in
Singapore into high-tech. Often, when I have spoken with those who are
either implementing those ideas or who have dreamed them up, I leave
with the unshakeable feeling that they do not really know what they
are doing. Such feelings, however, cannot be captured in a report like
the one above.
From: geoff@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Geoff Goodfellow)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Ericcson GE Slashes Prices on Two Wireless Data Products
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:02:25 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 46, Message 2 of 12

PARAMUS, NJ (JAN. 25) BUSINESS WIRE - Ericsson GE has reduced the
retail price of two of its key wireless data communications products -
the Mobidem(R) Portable Wireless Modem and the Viking Express Wireless
E-Mail Package, which includes a Mobidem, Hewlett-Packard 95LX palmtop
computer and wireless elecronic mail utility.

Effective immediatley, the price of the Mobidem is now $775 from
$1,395 while the complete Viking Express package drops to $995 from
its original price of $1,995.

"This agressive price reduction allows the everyday business traveler
to benefit immediately from wireless data communications," says Ake
Persson, vice president of Ericsson GE Mobile Communications. "There
is no excuse now not to have one.  It is as essential as a briefcase."

The Mobidem provides two-way wireless data communications connectivity
for palmtop, notebook, and laptop computers.  Utilizing Mobitex
wireless data networks operated in the United States by RAM Mobile
Data, a joint venture of RAM Broadcasting and BellSouth Enterprises,
the Mobidem supports automatic nationwide roaming for PC users that
travel around town or across the country.

The Mobidem is a one-pound, rechargeable wireless data modem that
communicates with the Mobitex network.  It can be easily connected to
any PC that has an RS-232 serial port, and it features and LCD display
that shows radio signal strength and number of messages stored.

The Viking Express package couples a Mobidem with an HP 95LX palmtop
computer and a DOS-based E-mail utility called RadioMail Remote from
RadioMail Corp. of Menlo Park, Calif.

Mobitex is a public mobile data network that uses packet-switched
wireless technology and provides automatic nationwide roaming. Packet
switching allows messages to be transmitted or received in a few
seconds, eliminating the problems associated with intermittent fading
or unexpected disconnections.

Mobitex networks are operating in the United States, Canada, the
United Kingdom, Sweden, Finland and Norway.

Based in Paramus, N.J., Ericsson GE designs, manufactures, and markets
cellular telephones, land mobile radio products and systems, and
Mobitex wireless data communications products and systems for global
markets.  Ericsson GE also markets cellular systems in North American.

For more information about the Mobidem or Viking Express, call
Ericsson GE at 800/223-6336.  In addition, RAM has a nationwide
corporate sales force to work with corporate accounts.  For the number
of the nearest RAM regional represenative, MIS directors or corporate
purchasing managers can call RAM Mobile Data at 201/343-9400.

CONTACT:  Ericsson, New York 
   Kathy Egan, 212/685-4030 or 
   MCI: Alexander Communications, Atlanta 
    Susan McCord, 404/325-7555 
                  404/325-8041 (fax)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:49:29 GMT
From: goldstein@carafe.dnet.dec.com (Fred R. Goldstein)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Sprint Can't Do Switched 56k
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Littleton MA USA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 41, Message 11 of 12

In article <telecom13.28.6@eecs.nwu.edu>, eap@ora.com (Eric Pearce)
writes:

> We have a Sprint T1 with 16 channels for voice and 1 56k dedicated
> data line.  I want to add a single switched 56k line out of the same
> channel bank (since there are spare slots).  The reasoning behind
> getting a CB was to be able to mix and match various types of service.

> Sprint sales says they can't do it, as their "switched 56k network is
> too advanced for PacBell and won't be able to talk to it" (we are in
> northern CA).  They also volunteered that AT&T and MCI are be able to
> provide this even though Sprint can't.  Does this make any sense?

Huh?  I specifically remember Sprint's ads touting that their domestic
network carries Switch 56 and speech equally and doesn't distinguish
between the two.  You get a T1 access into Sprint's POP and then can
make speech or 56 kbps calls interchangeably.  The one trick is that
you may need to send the echo canceller canceller (not a repeat) tone.

This does not make use of PacBell's Switched 56 at all.  Indeed if
PacBell is like New England Tel, then Switched 56 won't talk to Sprint
 -- Switched 56 from the Bell is classmarked as "in the data domain"
and won't talk to trunks "in the voice domain" which includes Sprint.

But if you have a PBX, its own 56 kbps data applique is probably
compatible with Sprint Switched 56.  As is a channel bank, using the
standard "7/8" coding (V.110/56k).  The signaling is inband tone, same
a a voice call.

BTW, this is probably what inspired me to play with "data over speech"
on ISDN.  We now have ISDN using speech calls carrying 56 kbps around
the LATA, where NETel doesn't even have data trunks yet.


Fred R. Goldstein   goldstein@carafe.tay2.dec.com 
k1io             or goldstein@delni.enet.dec.com   voice:+1 508 952 3274
Standard Disclaimer:  Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission.
From: mmm@wonderhog.eng.ufl.edu (Matt Memolo)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: AS/400, Novell,Token Ring, Windows 3.1
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:21:31 GMT
Reply-To: mmm@wonderhog.eng.ufl.edu (Matt Memolo)
Organization: UF Engineering Computing Services, Distributed Systems Group
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 44, Message 10 of 15

I'm trying to connect PC's to an IBM AS/400 over Token Ring using
PCSupport V2.1.0 and would like to retain connectivity via Novell and
do this under MS Windows v3.1. I do not believe this will be possible
but though perhaps someone would have tried it before.  My remaining
option is to put a gateway between the AS/400 to encapsulate the
traffic into ODI Novell packets.  Many thanks in advance; I can trade
info on Florida camping and south Florida restraunts.


mmm@eng.ufl.edu     Matt Memolo