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From: jfrawley@mothra.syr.EDU (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Re: getting back on track
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:08:10 EST

In article <1342@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>The Thanksgiving-New Years period was not the highlight of my
>diet/exercise program.  I suppose I could call forth all kinds of
>explanations but none really hide the truth: I slipped, and 
>badly; the question is whether I'll fall or be able to get back
>on track.  I have to wonder if I had really learned what I thought
>I'd learned or if I was just kidding myself.  I thought I'd turned
>a corner but I guess motivational geometry has a few wrinkles I
>haven't yet mastered.
>
>Oh well.  Back to basics, I guess.  I'm still far ahead of where I 
>was in June, but just not where I want to be.  In roughly 4 months
>I'll be 41 and I just don't have time for this BS anymore.  Time
>to lace up the Nikes and go for a walk.  
>-- 
>John Lundberg

Well, after a long period of wanting desparately to lose weight, 
exercise more, and get healthier, I have finally started.  It took
me a long time and lots of falls over the last few months.  I made
a pre-New Year's resolution to make myself get 30 minutes of activity
every day.  So far, so good.  I have enjoyed the outdoors of my home-
town while I was on vacation during Christmas/New Year's.  I took
my daughter and her cousin to the park on a very cold day and made
them run around with me and had a snowball fight.  Everyday I managed
to get thirty minutes of walking or playing or dancing in.

I broke up with my boyfriend of 16 months two weeks before Christmas.
I have been having a hard time choking down food, so I felt the
exercise was doubly important to help me through a rough time and
make me feel like I'd done something positive to counteract a 
very rough situation with him.

I am back in my own place now, most of my boyfriend's stuff is out,
and I am beginning to piece my life back together.  The exercise 
has helped me mentally a great deal.  Losing weight at this point
is secondary although I have lost five pounds.  I want to be strong
both physically and mentally.  The last two years have been laden
with problems, but I am determined not to let them beat me!  

I am going to court soon to finalize my divorce, I have an almost-five
year old daughter to take care of, and I am scared to death of being
alone.  But, I'm hangin' in there, and the exercise makes me feel very
powerful.  That is a definite plus for me.  I'm even sleeping better.

Keep up the good work.  It's not easy..I have tried and failed so
many times, but I feel strongly about it this time and have finally
realized that there is no quick solution to anything.  

Judy Frawley
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Hmm, I had a couple of off days (first cold of 1992.) but didn't get clobbered
too badly.  However, due to circumstances, I had 4 days without bicycling.  
(Main bike was in the shop, and it was raining too hard to risk my life
on the fair-weather road bike, then I got the cold).  The first ride after
the cold was slow, *very* tentative (I had several points where
I could turn around if I got too tired), but ultimately, normal in distance.

For me, the key point was building in opportunites to bail out.  This reduced 
the pressure on me, so I could let my stamina be the pacing factor.  When the
stamina showed it was fine, I went to my normal routine (currently limited by
daylight on holidays and weekends).  Once I had the first example of
a normal routine done with, the second one was easy.

John, for what it's worth, your body is probably in pretty good shape now.
As you restart the exercise, you will see that you will be able to physically
tolerate the resumption of the level in short order.  Reestablishing the
routine takes a little longer; I did my first bike commute in 10 days
this morning, and it was mildly disasterous.  At least I remembered that the
wallet/food record/etc was not with me only 5 minutes from home.

According to the HMR gnomes, it takes about 18 months to really engrave a
course of activity into the brain.  A lot of this occurs sooner, but still,
it takes time to really get into exercise plans where you don't feel good
without them.  OTOH, it probably takes a few weeks for a new course (relapsing)
to rewrite the synapses.  still, in my case, I had 38 years of couch-potatoship
to deal with; I'll go to some lengths to maintain activity.

BTW, many thanks to the person who mentioned that it's OK to exercise with
a head-cold (all symptoms above the neck).  Felt nice to be outside once
my fever dropped; I make a terrible invalid.

Pete Brooks


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From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:17:56 GMT

>>Due to an ankle injury, my exercise routine has been severly restricted.
>>So now I'm stuck for exercise ideas.  Low impact aerobics is no good
>>because it still involves twisting the ankle a lot.  The doctor
>>suggested swimming, which I have access to.
>

I myself am not disciplined enough to swim regularly, so if it was me,
I'd sign up for the 8-week water aerobics class at the Y or the county
recreation department.  

Chris
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:44:14 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

The Schwinn Airdyne (and a host of lower priced clones) combine a stationary
bicycle with handlebar levers so you can work your upper body along with
the legs.  dunno about the clones, but my Schwinn had stationary pegs
so I could do all the work with the arms.  It wasn't much fun (I had
a low opinion of any stationary bike; that's the way I am), but it's
marginally more interesting than a pure stationary bike.

You have the whole range of upper body movements to you.  One possibility
is to do some weight lifting.  In keeping with a home gym, you could get
a small weight set and add it in.  If you stuck with the bench type
exercises (bench press, standard lifts done while sitting) your ankle
would be fine and you'd get some exercise.

An injury is my private nightmare; I'm doing much better at avoiding the
stress injuries I used to get (knee inflammations, etc) but the prospect of
dealing with a broken leg isn't much fun.  Makes me a conservative bike
rider.  Usually.

Pete
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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com (Brenda Molina)
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 13:39:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

I recently bought a Step (Super Step brand) and the video with
it is great - by Brenda Dykgraf (sp?).  I think she does
non-step aerobics, also.  If you want to try different tapes,
you could check out your local video store - they usually have
lots, and you can see what you like before purchasing.

Hope this helps! :-)
-- 
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

> This month's Shape has a pretty comprehensive review of new videotapes,
> broken down into strength training, step, aerobics, and stretching 
> categories.  Considering the number of really bad grades they gave,
> you may want to check it out before you buy an obscure video.

By the time I found a bookstore that carried Shape, apparently
the next issue had come out already; video reviews were nowhere
to be found.  Beth, would it be possible for you to mention a
few of their top-rated videos, at least in the step category?

Thanks,
Claudia
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Anybody heard of Fastin?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:46:35 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Aside note:  Favorite gripe is someone who refuses to read the group to
ask a question dealt with at length not a few days ago.  Not as if we are
high traffic, either...

Pete (venting a pet peeve) Brooks
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: need a diet coach
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:58:51 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center



Hi y'all. I'm new here. No not on the net, I've been cruising through several
net newsgroups for years, but to this alt.support.diet in particular. On the
rec.running group I'm known as "The Common Sense Coach" because I am a
certified Track & Field coach and I give no-nonsense advice to otherwise
obsessive-compulsive runner types.

But now I'm looking for some help in return. Here I sit 50 lbs overwieght and
overflowing with self-pity, unable to really persue my own sport.

Being an experienced running coach I am offering my services to guide someone
through a running fitness program in return for some good dietary advice.

I've done the Weight-Watchers a couple times and it worked OK but after going
away from the support group environment, I gained it all right back again.

Common sense, no nonsense, no vegetarian, no vegan, no bullshit. I need help.
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Jack Berkery, Computer Scientist, GE Research, Schenectady NY
  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Step Aerobics (Was Re: a question or two.)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 19:10:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <Jan.4.10.55.53.1993.10829@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
|> 
|> You might like to try step aerobics.  If you have enough room in your
|> TV room, you can set up a step and exercise with the tape.  You can
|> pay anywhere from $30 - $100 for a step and they usually come with a tape.
|> You can buy other, independent step tapes also.

I paid $40 for a Step including video and hand weights - the
video is by Brenda Dykgraf (sp?) - and I LOVE it.  There's very
little bouncing (I need that - ever since surgery, my tummy/abdomen
can't take bouncing), it's NOT very dancy or complicated. The whole
workout is about 45 minutes - I'm not sure how much is warm-up and
cool-down, but I think that the "real" workout part is at least 30 minutes.

I've been trying to find more videos by her (Brenda Dykgraf) - has
anyone else seen them?  The only other one I've seen is included
in a different Step set (Step, weights, rubberbands and video) - I
don't need the whole set, just the video.  I would prefer
another Step video - but like her enough to take low impact
aerobics, too.


Thanks for any info,
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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From: JSeymour@acorn.co.uk (Jenny Seymour)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Weight Watchers vs. ?
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:43:12 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


Weight Watchers costs M-#3.80 in the UK per weekly session - quite cheap
really!
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From: disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein)
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:20:49 GMT

Jamie Bronstein
History Department
Stanford University
disraeli@leland.stanford.edu
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: HELLO!!!!
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:19:22 GMT

In article <63620126@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
|> [...]
|> My postings are all too frequent and long, but suffice it to say that I've
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not at all, Peter.  You're one of the all-too-few success stories out there, 
and I for one need to be reminded of it frequently and at length.

Keep 'em coming!

Jan
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From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:17:14 GMT

In article <C0GHpH.9y0@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>In article <Jan.5.13.34.39.1993.13156@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>>
>>Is it really difficult to use a rowing machine with only one leg?  It
>>seems to me that you would loose balance.
>>
>
>Using just one leg might put a little twist into your form.

Perhaps, but the point is that unlike running or stepping or aerobics,
you *can* continue with rowing with one bad leg.  It really is up to
the individual to decide whether they want to continue exercising at the
expense of "form."  And, since all the weight is on your butt, you won't
lose balance.

My only experience with one-leg rowing was not due to injury--it was due 
to one foot strap coming loose during a workout, and since I was 
determined to beat the high score on the machine, I kept going rather 
than stop to fix the strap.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:33:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article <C0EKML.F3A@dale.cts.com> Nancy Milligan (npm@dale.cts.com)
> wrote...
>
>Don't reject the idea of just lifting weights.  Sometimes I find
>that just lifting weights increases my metabolism more than doing
>something aerobic.  You might want to try a callenetics tape, I've
>been toying with the idea of trying it myself.
 
Lifting weights builds muscle, and more muscle mass is why metabolism
is raised.  What a deal.
 
>--
>Nancy P. Milligan                               npm@dale.cts.com
>Titan Linkabit                                  cts!dale!npm
>                  Gravity is no laughing matter.
 
TAMARA
Who didn't gain any weight over the holidays, but the baby gained
 a couple! :)  (22+ weeks and growing!)
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:54:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Step Aerobics (Was Re: a question or two.)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

I have no problem with eating frequent small meals.  I do something like it
for the first half of the day.  (The evening is when I get into a large
meal; it works for me.)

I suspect (having done this before) that your body has learned to expect the
frequent meals.  If you don't feel good about that, you can slowly train the
body to adjust.  Try stretching intervals a little at a time.  (I'll snack
like this during the week.  Weekends can go this way, but I like to do
long bike rides.  Unless it's a very long ride, I won't carry any food with
me, so I can go 5-6 hours between snacks.  OTOH, when I do carry food,
it's a little bit every hour or two.)

Assuming you want to kill the snacking, one of the things to try is to 
modify the environment.  One of the things that really helped for me was
to do a lot of walking.  When I was walking, I wasn't by my food sources,
so impulsive eating was impossible (or was about 2 miles away...)  If it's
not environmental (your body is really saying *I'M HUNGRY!!!*), you may
want to look at food choices.  Remember the old blood-sugar crunch from
eating simple carbohydrates; the body is satiatied for a little bit, but
the blood sugar levels tumble, and you're hungry soon afterword.  (When I
was fat, I used to get hypoglycemic reactions; I'd break the cycle by
eating fat.  Sigh.  :-|)  Shifting to a complex carbohydrate (like
fruit or whole wheat bread) or a very-complex carbohydrate, like non-starchy
vegetables can be filling, and will take the body some time to handle.
It might be a little odd to have a bowl of green beans for breakfast, but
I'm a firm believer in doing whatever it takes.

However, if the frequency is OK for you, try altering food choices.  I'm
a big one for eating non-traditional things.  My sandwich is nominally part
of lunch, but it gets eaten around 9:00 AM after I bike to work.  In general,
my snacking type meals tend to center around fruit or limited amounts of
bread and such.  with few exceptions, I'll keep fat content quite low.  (MY
favorite mid-day snack is a pudding made with the Jello Nutrasweet pudding and
either non-fat milk, or if I'm feeling decadant, I'll make it with non-fat
yogurt.  I'll usually have some relatively low-fat cookies with it, like
Vanilla wafers or some of the Nabisco Snack-wells.  (Hey, the fudge covered
oreos are an exception.  Not sure I like them enough to repeat, and at
6 grams of fat per cookie, they have to be a seldom thing.  No cool whip this
week.  :-)

Pete Brooks

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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Linda Hamilton arms
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09:35:41 EST


I just got the latest issue of Fitness magazine and its a really
good one.  There's alot in it about exercise and women being
strong (and a good photo of Linda Hamilton's arms from T2!).  They
mention that Hamilton worked out for 13 weeks prior to T2 but I'd
have to believe that she was in pretty good shape before to have
the definition she did after only 13 weeks....  There's also an
article discussing the number of abdominal crunches that various
celebreties do per week.  Juliann Phillips (from the show "Sisters")
does 6000...  6000???  How could you do that many?  Linda
Hamilton 900 (that's a little more believable!).  

Anyway, I find both Shape and Fitness magazines to be fun and 
motivational, although I think I'd have to give up my job to
do 6000 cruches a week :)

Margot

--
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"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
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From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Exercise Problem - Advice Needed
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:25:10 GMT

In article <Jan.4.11.19.27.1993.15638@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>Due to an ankle injury, my exercise routine has been severly restricted.
>So now I'm stuck for exercise ideas.  Low impact aerobics is no good
>because it still involves twisting the ankle a lot.  The doctor
>suggested swimming, which I have access to.

Rowing might work (if you had access to a good rowing machine).  It
is *very* aerobic, a good total-body workout, and very easy on the
joints since most of your weight is on your butt.  If the injury is 
really severe, you can actually row "one-legged"--don't strap your bad
foot into the machine and don't use it to push off.

If you are not in shape, start out very slowly (like 5-minute chunks) and
use good form in order to avoid any back strain.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: rules and....?
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:54:30 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa


I was wondering if it's all right to post an article I found in a 
magazine.  I mean, would it be illegal to disperse it like this or anything?
Thanks! :)
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From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: Weight Watchers vs. ?
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:29:58 GMT

In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
>sjryan@iastate.edu (S. J. Ryan) writes:
>
>
>Yesterday, I only ate 3 protein exchanges, and I didn't realize this until
>10:30 pm.  My husband asked me if I had to make myself eat 2 exchanges 
>worth of protein before I went to bed.  I said that I didn't know what
>WW would say, but it seemed like a stupid idea to me to eat so much,
>so close to bedtime, when I wasnt' even hungry.  So I didn't.
>
>Does anyone know what you're supposed to do in this case?
>
>
Wow....all these WW voices.  I'm on Day 3 (filling my face with
raw vegetables as I write this). I think it's important to examine
each food group for what it is.  I've not eaten my allotment of
 3 "FAs" -- fats -- yet. This has to be a sensible one to skip, as
that's what I'm trying to lose.  On the other hand, we aren't 
allocated a lot of protein to begin with.  Although it certainly will
not hurt to skip a few, it's probably unwise to do so routinely
for nutritional reasons.  Also, it's probably not smart to cut
your food intake as per the plan very dramatically.  Let's face it,
there is not a lot of calories there to begin with. 

I'm not sure if you're "allowed" to transfer foods between days;
I suspect not, since we should be taking a one-day-at-a-time
approach to changing our eating patterns. 


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From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: rules and....?
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:24:24 GMT

In <24692@galaxy.ucr.edu>, samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley) writes:

|> I was wondering if it's all right to post an article I found in a 
|> magazine.  I mean, would it be illegal to disperse it like this or anything?
|> Thanks! :)

Technically it would be illegal.  But that generally doesn't stop most 
people from doing it.  In other words, no one has (yet) gotten snagged
for posting copyrighted material to Usenet.  So it happens all the time (and
occasionally by yours truly), often preceeded by the expression "reprinted
without permission." 

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: 6000 crunches per week
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:49:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article: <C0p4GH.LDC@acsu.buffalo.edu> Lewis A Bernstein writes:
>
>I know that sounds like a lot, but it is possible.  Last year
>during the NFL's fastest man competition they had a segment
>on Hershel Walker (of the Philadelphia Eagles) and it said that
>he does 3000 sit ups a day!  Furthermore, takes him less than a
>half an hour to do all of them.  Over six days that would be
>a total of 18000 a week.  Pretty incredible.
>
>                                        Lew
>
 
Pretty incredible?  I don't believe it!  I'm no math wizard, but
I figure that to be 1.67 sit-ups PER SECOND for 30 minutes!!!!!
Call me a skeptic, but I'd have to see it to believe it.
 
TAMARA (and that was allowing the full 30 minutes to finish!)