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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: Problems with CR-LF in compression from Unix to DOS
Date: 4 Oct 92 12:52:47 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <1992Oct1.135145.10524@fcom.cc.utah.edu> pullin@mail.physics.utah.edu (Jorge Pullin) writes:

>Hello

>I compress a text file in my unix workstation (IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2, standard
>compress command generating a .Z file), transfer it by Kermit (binary mode)
>to my PC, where I decompress it with comp430.

>It happens that the CR-LF (or whatever makes a line of text finish and go to
>a new line) in the original file get replaced by something else (maybe a CR
>alone?, it appears in my editor as a little square). In summary, my text
>file appears all in a single line.

>Is this a usual problem, or is it due to the particular combination of 
>compressor/transmitter/decompressor used?

Yes. The popular INFO-Zip package has an option to solve this problem
if memory serves right. It compresses very well too.

>Jorge


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: Convert pkzip 1.1 to zip 1.9?
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:41:07 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

hob@soda.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) writes:
>I am interested in converting a large number of pkzip 1.1 archives
>(about 100-200 megabytes) into the new zip archive format found in
>zip 1.9.  I am interested in some automated solution where I can
>specify all .zip files in a subdirectory and they will be converted
>overnight.

Heh, one of the best programs to do what you want is the REARJ that
comes with ARJ.  I use it to convert all ZIP files to ARJ, and it'll
work to convert from one ZIP type to another.
-- 
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From: hob@soda.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: Convert pkzip 1.1 to zip 1.9?
Date: 27 Sep 1992 20:22:37 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <3087@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:
>
>The program rearj supplied in the ARJ package should do the trick. It
>can convert archives from type x to type y.
>
>Nico E. de Vries
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I tried to use rearj from arj 2.30 to do this but I could not configure
zip 1.9 or rearj.cfg properly to do this.  Have you actually done this?
If so I would appreciate it if you could email the right configureation.

Thanks for all the replies, but I'm stupid and need more help!


-- 
Bing Ho  hob@soda.berkeley.edu  UC Berkeley
From: jhnbru03@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Bruce D Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: MPEG data needed / FAQ ?
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:14:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Oct2.121429.202955
Organization: University of Cape Town

Hi

I was pointed to this group from comp.graphics after asking there about
info on the MPEG format.

I was told it might be in the comp.compression FAQ. Could somebody
please mail me either with the FAQ site, the FAQ itself or any info
on MPEG.

Thanks
Bruce
jhnbru03@uctvax.uct.ac.za
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" - Calvin
From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: LZ-JUNG patent
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:29:27 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <718295627@pike.cs.duke.edu> srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate) writes:
>In article <3107@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:

>>Ross worked MORE than a year on LZRW3. But legally speaking that is not
>>the issue. The fact that publication took place BEFORE the appliance
>>of the patent is enough to invalidate the patent in court. No matter
>>who "invented" it first.

>Of course, in most civilized parts of the world, this is true.  However,
>what you say is *NOT* true in the U.S.!  An "inventor" has up to a
>year after publication to file for a patent (I think a year is the
>right amount of time).  RSA was also published before the patent was
>applied for --- thus RSA is only patented in the U.S....

Amazing. How does the pattent office know who invented something. Can
I just go browsing articles and apply for pattent? In case of LZRW3
I can imagine no proof Jung invented it. Nevertheless the patent is
accepted. Since another person published info on LZRW3 the patent
office doesn't use THAT as a checkpoint. Do I misunderstand this or
am I wasting my time and should I be browsing Sceintific American
for new stuff to patent.

>Steve Tate

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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: LZ-JUNG patent
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:44:10 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <1992Oct2.151414.18497@u.washington.edu> larry@spike.rprc.washington.edu (Larry Shupe) writes:

>In article <BvGMqs.930@world.std.com> robjung@world.std.com (Robert K Jung)  
>writes:
>> FYI, concerning the LZ-JUNG patent which is very similar to LZRW3 by Ross
>> Williams, the legal date of invention of the LZ-JUNG algorithm preceded the
>> publication of LZRW3 by almost ONE YEAR.  The actual application for 
>> patent occurred shortly after the LZRW3 publication. 
>> 
>> I hope this clears up a few misunderstandings about the sequence of events.
>I would bet that Ross Williams worked on LZRW3 for MORE than ONE YEAR
>prior to his publication.  If this is the case, then his date of
>invention predates that of LZ-JUNG.
>--
>Larry Shupe

Ross worked MORE than a year on LZRW3. But legally speaking that is not
the issue. The fact that publication took place BEFORE the appliance
of the patent is enough to invalidate the patent in court. No matter
who "invented" it first.

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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: The hunt for latest versions of PKZip, Arj, Zoo.
Keywords: HELP
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:35:02 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <bontchev.717771450@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) writes:

>Hey, what's $100.ARJ??? Is it an ARJ password breaking contest? Where
>is it available from?

Ask Robert Jung, he knows.

>If you provide me with a passworded ARJ archive and a non-encrypted
>version of the same file (or a non-compressed, your choice), then I am
>able to tell you the password used, provided that it is shorter than
>the half of the size of the compressed image (in bytes). As far as I
>understand, this is called a known-plaintext attack.

Correct. Expecially files with a known header (.EXE, wordprocessor,
database etc) can be victom.

>Vesselin

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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: Convert pkzip 1.1 to zip 1.9?
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:09:45 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <1a1clqINNi75@agate.berkeley.edu> hob@soda.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) writes:

>I am interested in converting a large number of pkzip 1.1 archives
>(about 100-200 megabytes) into the new zip archive format found in
>zip 1.9.  I am interested in some automated solution where I can
>specify all .zip files in a subdirectory and they will be converted
>overnight.

>Does anybody have a program or batch files that can do this (they
>must be able to convert internal .zip files as well, preserve
>volume labels, comments, and directories)

>Thanks for any help.

The program rearj supplied in the ARJ package should do the trick. It
can convert archives from type x to type y.

>Bing Ho  hob@soda.berkeley.edu

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From: lye@fraser.sfu.ca (Bill Lye)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: Convert pkzip 1.1 to zip 1.9?
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:34:56 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

hob@soda.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) writes:

>I am interested in converting a large number of pkzip 1.1 archives
>(about 100-200 megabytes) into the new zip archive format found in
>zip 1.9.  I am interested in some automated solution where I can
>specify all .zip files in a subdirectory and they will be converted
>overnight.

>Does anybody have a program or batch files that can do this (they
>must be able to convert internal .zip files as well, preserve
>volume labels, comments, and directories)

>Thanks for any help.


>-- 
>Bing Ho  hob@soda.berkeley.edu

You might try looking at ARJ.  Robert Jung has written a program called
REARJ that he intends to be used to convert other archive files to the ARJ
format.  However, it can also be used to archive to formats other than ARJ
(like ZIP).  I forget the details, but you can set up a configuration file
to let it use the Info-ZIP zip & unzip programs.  These utilities can read
PKZIP 1.10 archives, and when they're re-archived they'll be in the 1.9
format.  This is, of course, assuming you're using DOS.
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From: srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: LZ-JUNG patent
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:33:49 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <3107@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:
>Ross worked MORE than a year on LZRW3. But legally speaking that is not
>the issue. The fact that publication took place BEFORE the appliance
>of the patent is enough to invalidate the patent in court. No matter
>who "invented" it first.

Of course, in most civilized parts of the world, this is true.  However,
what you say is *NOT* true in the U.S.!  An "inventor" has up to a
year after publication to file for a patent (I think a year is the
right amount of time).  RSA was also published before the patent was
applied for --- thus RSA is only patented in the U.S....

Disclaimer:  My statements are all based on rumors and hearsay --- I'm
certainly no patent expert.


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Durham, NC  27706   | other sciences are to some extent debatable. (Einstein)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: vporguen@unlinfo.unl.edu (victor porguen)
Subject: The New Archiver from Sweden
Keywords: archiver compression SQZ Squeeze data_compression
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:26:04 GMT

Writes Ian Nelson (ian@bvsd.co.edu):

> Does anyone know of a new Swedish program that supposedly 
> compresses as good as ARJ?  Somebody on fido mentioned a 
> program called SQUEEZE which is supposed to be pretty good.  
> Where can it be ftped? 

You are referring to SQZ, a new arrival from Sweden. It's in 
a self-extracting archive named SQZ1081.EXE, about 100 kB long.
That's SQZ v1.08.1, 08/22/92, by Jonas Hammarberg. SQZ is much 
more efficient than PKZIP (of course), but also more efficient 
than LHA and (surprisingly), slightly more efficient than ARJ.
Shareware, $30 registration.  

The archive has documentation in both Swedish and English.
SQZ uses a variety of LZSS with a 32 kB sliding window and
static Huffman encoding, but seems to do it a little better
than everyone else... a coarse comparison:

         Compressor   Archive size
         ----------   ------------
           PKZIP        162 kB
             LHA        130 kB
             ARJ        127 kB
             SQZ        126 kB
       
I have the archive. If someone can direct me to an ftp site
where I can upload it with little hassle (make that: with NO
hassle), I'll be happy to make it available to all.

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From: robjung@world.std.com (Robert K Jung)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: ARJ 2.39a Beta version
Keywords: ARJ compression 2.39a 2.39 2.40
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:18:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BvJ5F6.7D0
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

blom@husc8.harvard.edu (Eric Blom) writes:


>I read quite a few articles posted here that said erroneously that ARJ
>2.39a is faster AND has better compression than 2.30.  It indeed is
>faster, but the compression difference between 2.30 and 2.39a is
>approximately 40 bytes on any size file, and represents increased
>efficiency in the header rather than tighter compression.  For those who

To be more specific, ARJ 2.39a has faster and better compression than 
2.30 at the DEFAULT settings.  With -jm or -jm1, both versions are very
similar.

>In summary, though: ARJ 2.39a is faster, but don't get your hopes up about the
>compression.  ZIP 1.93a still beats it on many files.  And, PKZIP is a much
>smaller program itself! . . .

With typical BBS archives and using maximum compression settings, ARJ 2.39
will produce smaller ARCHIVES more of the time.  However, on a single large
file to file comparison, PKZIP 1.93 compresses with a better ratio.  The ZIP
archive extra overhead is the cause of the worse benchmarks.

In any case, current benchmarks of ARJ 3.X experimental show that it 
compresses EXEs, OBJs, and similar files better than ZIP 1.93 and SQZ 1.08.
Work is in progress to improve its text compression.

-Robert Jung
Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: cleslie@ho11.eng.ua.edu (Charles J. Leslie)
Subject: Uncompressed Problems
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:22:30 GMT


I need help.  I have Zoo21e and Arc521-2 and I cannot uncompress any files. 
I'm getting OS2 Beta this week and would like to read the FAQs.  Does anybody
know what's wrong with my compression program.

Charles Leslie
cleslie@buster.eng.ua.edu
From: blom@husc8.harvard.edu (Eric Blom)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: ARJ 2.39a Beta version
Summary: ARJ 2.39 DOES NOT COMPRESS BETTER THAN 2.30!
Keywords: ARJ compression 2.39a 2.39 2.40
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:10:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.blom.718078244


I read quite a few articles posted here that said erroneously that ARJ
2.39a is faster AND has better compression than 2.30.  It indeed is
faster, but the compression difference between 2.30 and 2.39a is
approximately 40 bytes on any size file, and represents increased
efficiency in the header rather than tighter compression.  For those who
are really interested in 2.39a, I found it on the Channel One BBS in
Boston.  Unfortunately, I can't remember the number off the top of my
head, though.  I think I saw it elsewhere in the newsgroup, though, so you
might be able to get it here on Usenet.

In summary, though: ARJ 2.39a is faster, but don't get your hopes up about the
compression.  ZIP 1.93a still beats it on many files.  And, PKZIP is a much
smaller program itself! . . .
From: rlee@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Richard Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: HELP! Beta-PKzip? SUN?
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:17:25 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA



There is no anonymous telneting.  (Well there maybe but it is not widespread)
Try ftp....
ftp garbo....(whatever)  

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Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: kianteck@iastate.edu (?)
Subject: Where can I get Unzip file?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:32:55 GMT

	I had downloaded some programs ( .ZIP files) from ftp sites, but I found that the unzip files on PC in computer center have been erased. Therefore, I can't uncompress the program now. 

	Can someone tell me the ftp sites where I can get the upzip files for PC? Thanx.

Albert
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: pkzip 3.05
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:03:05 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

MKUNZE1@ibm.gwdg.de writes:
>Indeed, will PKZIP 2.0 ever be released to a broad public?
>First rumours told it to be released May this year, then July
>now November...i'll need to switch to ARJ if things keep on going
>like this!

This year?  Heck, in the summer of last year when I switched to ARJ, I
was told that was a really stupid thing to do because "The new PKZIP
is almost out."
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Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Need info on archive locations.
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:18:41 GMT

In article <18629.2acd3f27@ecs.umass.edu> pierre@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Can someone help me with locating archiver/unarchivers for files in:
>
>ZOO	(ZOO)
>ARC	(PKPAK)
>PAK	(PAK)
>DWC	(DWC)
>LZH	(LHA)

Please see for example the weekly FAQ that was just posted to
comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted. 

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland
Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
Subject: Re: The hunt for latest versions of PKZip, Arj, Zoo.
Keywords: HELP
Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de
Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:00:37 GMT

nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:

> BTW only ARJ 2.30NG (no garble) is available on garbo. For the 2.30

Which is rather silly, because the encryption in ARJ is just TRIVIAL
to break, using a known-plaintext attack. The encryption on PKZIP (and
in Info-ZIP) is -much- stronger, yet the archive zcrypt19.zip -is-
available from garbo... Maybe Prof. Timo Salmi could enlighten us
about this decision?

Regards,
Vesselin
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From: cmp0136@sys.uea.ac.uk (P. Arnold)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Text compression books
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:32:05 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

Hello There,
	I have to do a project comparing the various text compression
algorithms that exist.  I also touch on the more famous file compression
routines too.

	Can anyone recommend to me any good books on the subject?  My 
university library has one and someones got it!

	Thanks in advance,


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From: cschneid@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.compression
Subject: Re: amiga compress files
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:10:45 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Comp. Sci.

In article <1992Sep16.2090.4003@dosgate> "earl pottinger" <earl.pottinger@canrem.com> writes:
>rewrite BlackHole my own Compression system to work with XPK.  Is there
>a phone number you can give that I can call to talk to someone about the
>problems I am getting?

Hmm.... Can't give you a phone number but umueller@amiga.physik.unizh.ch
(or myself if able) will answer your questions...

>1) XPK so far only works reliably on an A3000.  In looking at the
>supplied C code I see an A3000 Flag is set. (I an a ML programmer).

As I did some of the ML part and Urban Mueller is a C programmer
(mostly ;-)), ML related questions should perhaps directed to me...

A3000 flag has nothing to do with reliability. We tried to include
some speed information into XPK giving the user a clearer view
which compression scheme he wants to use... A3000 flag tells XPK
(and the user) that timings were taken on A3000 with 25Mhz 030...

>2) On an A2000 with KickStart 2.04 and WorkBench 2.05 I get random
>failures and lockups, or I have to process the same file twice.

What version of XPK are you using? XPK24 is available via ftp on
amiga.physik (130.60.80.80) and works quite reliable for us..

>3) On an A500/A1000 with KickStart 2.03 and WorkBench 2.01 - GURU.

Hmmm.... Perhaps you should get a Kickstart/WB update, I don't think
this is the current release...

> My Phone number is 1-416-434-5595 Whitby Ont. Canada. (If I am not at
>home just leave me a message.

Since XPK developers are spread around the globe, it can get quite
expensive to phone them... We prefer email ;-)

- Chris
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Newsgroups: comp.compression
From: Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Craig Andrew Humphrey)
Subject: Wanted: Arj source.
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington. New Zealand
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:53:38 GMT


Does anyone have C source for ARJ, I already have unarj230 compiled on 
HP 9000/300 (BSD4.3) and Sillicon Grafix Irix4 (SYS V) but it would be
nice to be able to compress as well (not to mention compare with lha/zip
and zoo which I also have on the above machines.

Any clues?  anonymous FTP sites ??

Thanks

Craig
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