From: dsb@godzilla.pi.macsch.com (Deepak Brar)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating, ABCD's, and Dissension
Followup-To: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:08:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.012159.15875@news.vanderbilt.edu>, MARDHEMS@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu () writes:
|> 	When I posted the message a couple of days ago, I never imagined the
|> overwhelmingly negative response that would follow. If I offended or hurt
|> anyone, I am truly sorry :-(
|>

If I may quote from your previous post:

	"... interracial marriage ... will ultimately lead to the destruction
	 of our society as we know it ..."

What kind of reaction do you think you will get with an inflammatory and
offensive remark of that sort. When someone attempts to patronize me and
my way of life and tout their relationship with an Indian as somehow
superior to others, I usually tend to get upset.

|> 	My only intention was to spark a debate about a trend that I had
|> perceived. Instead, a powder keg was apparently ignited when all I had really
|> hoped for was an ideological discussion.  I am opposed to "political
|> correctness," and want to use one of the replies I received to show how a
|> narrow-minded mentality and self-righteous indignation supersede logic.
|> 
|> Excerpts from Deepak's letter:
|> 
|> > "Conservative voice of reason"? Is that what you call your hate-mongering
|> > and extreme prejudice? I suspect many conservatives would feel the bile
|> > rise in their throat just by your associating yourself with their cause.
|> 
|> 	There are many kinds of conservatives. Pat Buchanan (whom I supported
|> for President) is very different from Mass. Governor William Weld (who is
|> pro-choice and pro-gay rights). Yet both spoke at the Republican Convention.
|> David Duke (whom I do not support) was the conservative Republican
|> gubernatorial candidate from Louisiana last year, and is openly opposed to
|> interracial marriage of any sort. Pat Robertson, who also spoke at the
|> Republican Convention, believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible,
|> although Genesis 9:28 lays the foundation for segregation. 
|> 
|> 	Get your facts straight, Deepak. There are plenty of 'conservatives'
|> who fit my definition and not yours.  In your closed-minded arrogance I doubt
|> that you can see that.  You should have watched the Convention.
|> 
|>  

What is your point? There are many different types of conservatives. There
are people who believe in the conservative idealogy, and then there are those
who are just plain racist and imagine themselves superior. I guess you fit
in the second category. I said "many conservatives ...". I was talking about
the conservative idealogy, not the loonies on the fringe who advocate ideas
that are separatist and bigoted.

|> > Listen, Maneesh, stop making a fool of yourself. You're a pissy little college
|> > student (freshman, probably) who has no idea what a relationship entails in
|> > terms of committment, caring and understanding. What will "lead to the
|> 
|> 
|> 	Well, actually no. I'm a 23 year-old JD\MBA student, and have been
|> dating the same girl for two and a half years. I'm not sure I see what that has
|> to do with anything, and I'm sorry you had to resort to name-calling <:-(
|> 
|>  
|> > Your romanticizing of the Indian family unit completely ignores the massive
|> > problems that joint families in India face - dysfunctional relationships,
|> > male-dominated households, complete loss of individuality, and so on. And
|> > why do you classify Indian families as "so successful"? On what basis do
|> > you make this claim?
|> 
|> 	
|> 	Actually, in my house, Mom's in charge. Dad brings home some cash, but
|> whoever controls the food controls the power. Seriously, I don't think that
|> Indian households are so 'male-dominated.' I think that there is a greater
|> respect for women in India than over here.
|> 
|> 	'India Abroad' refers to Indians as the 'most affluent ethnic group in
|> the U.S.' The divorce rate in India is miniscule, while in the U.S. it is
|> pushing 70% (according to the 1990 Census).  Indian students make up
|> disproportionately high percentages of the top-ranked universities, and score
|> much higher (on average) on standardized tests than blacks, whites, and
|> Hispanics.  If a "strong family" is not responsible for this, then what is?
|> 
|> 
|> 	Are you saying that Indians are inherently smarter than other races?
|> 
|> 	Deepak, are you the racist that you accuse me of being????????
|> 

Huh? You are a JD student and you form opinions based on a biased sampling
of Indians in the US? Obviously Indians that have managed to get into US
universities and businesses are a miniscule proportion of Indians in
general. You are the one who wants to make claims of superiority and
"inherent smartness" and backs up those claims with some nonsense about
the "strong family".

|> 
|> 
|> > How could I not get you wrong? Why should I think about the rubbish
|> > you spew from your hatred? I've got better things to do than listen
|> > to some punk (from Alabama, no less) tell me what is good for our
|> 
|> 
|> 	What the hell do you have against Alabama?  You came here after being
|> born and brought up in India.  This country has apparently been very good to
|> you, else you would have returned to India. And now, you're putting down one of
|> the states in the country which afforded you new opportunities. 
|> 
|> 	If you don't like it here, why the hell don't you go back? 
|> 
|> 	Let's see if your fantastic mixed-up marriage could stand THAT!
|> 
|> DEEPAK, YOU'RE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITE I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF NOT KNOWING!!
|> 

Okay. Let me explain. I have IMMIGRATED to this country. I have taken the
trouble to understand the American culture and its people. I have adopted
those aspects of American culture I admire and maintained those of Indian
culture I want to. In other words, I have integrated myself into this new
homeland over the past 20 years. I have not come here to get what I can
from a college, propose isolationist ideas, searched for an Indian girlfriend
to maintain my "gene pool" and criticized others who do not. Why should I
go back to India? Oh, I forgot the favorite Buchanan-Duke phrase: If you
don't like it, why don't you go back to wherever you came from.

Maneesh, these people you are supporting are racist and bigoted. They are
racist toward people exactly like you! Why don't you sit down and actually
listen to what Buchanan says about minorities in this country and then
realize, being a minority yourself, that he is talking about you! Indians
in general do not support people who are bigoted toward any non-white
person. Maybe that is why you do not see your Buchanan platform touted
on s.c.i or a.c.u.a-i.

|> 
|> 
|> 	Deepak shows his class one final time:
|> 
|> 
|>  
|> > Not in a country that produces fucking assholes like you!!!
|> 
|> 

If I'm angry, I make sure the other person knows it. It's that simple.
I don't give a shit whether you think I have class or not. I attacked
you personally after perceiving your post as a personal attack on my
lifestyle and choices.

|> 
|> 	Your stupidity and inability to reason knows no bounds. 
|> 		
|> 			LIGHTEN UP, GUY !
|> 

This is the first time I have ever had an Indian tell me to go back
where I came from. I've heard it plenty of times from bigoted white
assholes but it's shocking to hear an Indian pay lipservice to these
ultra-right-wing conservatives and spout the same nonsense.

Deepak
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