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From: erlingm@ifi.uio.no (Erling Mork)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:38:12 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Originator: erlingm@atrid.ifi.uio.no


>If Perot runs then he will know what people think of him come Nov 4.
>This phone ballot is simply to see if there is enough interest to justify
>running. Sure he probably should have stayed in the race, but he sure is
>stirring up the pot!

First, it's November 3.

Second,  the issue of whether Perot should run or not is more complex
than just seeing what happens come election day. Let's say 60% of people
in the US wants to see Bush from behind for a change (ie, leaving).
If Perot reenters, then he will effectively split the vote say, 40% for
Bush, 30% for Clinton and 30% for Perot. Then we have a president
that was voted by a minority of the people!  Perot should consider the is he
_really_ wants change so unselfishly as he claims!!

As to the 1-800 number, as anyone who has studied an inkling of statistics
knows, just a number of supporters (assuming only supporters called) means
NOTHING! Unless of course he takes it as a fraction of the US population
with telohones. haha.  So he doesn't answer the phone himself, fair 'nuff.
But he could have set it up so that there were two numbers to call (one for,
one against) or that one could dial 1 if he were for and 2 if against.
Given, most people would not pay for anti-support calls, but Perot _says_
he wants to know what the people think.  Hey, how about a Gallup pole?
The ugly truth is (must be) that Perot has set this up so that    too most
people it looks like he has support in order to give him a reason to go back
in. I wonder if this was his plan all along. I'm for his budget proposals,
but his character, and "selflessness" and "honesty" (or, rather, lack of it)
disgusts me.  Is this a game for Perot? In this time of turmoil in the world,
one should take things seriously, even if one has billions of $.

Disclaimer: I will not read any email in responce to this. If you disagree,
post it.

--Erling Mork
  Yes, I'm a Norwegian and no, I don't have a vote. But I do have an opinion.
From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: 1-800-bend over STUPIDITY!!!
Date: 1 Oct 1992 19:01:18 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: holodeck.csd.sgi.com
Keywords: perot

rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland) said..
>_You people_ who want to call the 800-number just to screw up the
>count are a bunch of *** ASSHOLES ***.  While you jerks are
>playing your silly games with a legitimate political activity,
>other people are actively trying to do what they think is the
>right thing for the country.  It looks to me that maybe we have
>too many under/uneducated adolescents that (unfortuately)
>know how to read and write but have no clue as to when to 
>keep their unwanted and unproductive opinions to themselves!

Try some decaf.  The system that Perot is using has the *ability*
to identify duplicates.  Yes, meaning, it has the *ability* to log
the source of every call made to it.  

For that matter, every modern phone system has that same ability -- how
do you think they do the billing?  Whenever you place a long-distance or
800 call, (any call outside of your local switch) your phone number
travels with the call.

In fact, a while ago American Express had (in some southern state, I
don't remember which) their system set up so that when you called in,
their ACD system would also bring up your information on the agent's
screen -- before you even "told" them who you were.  Too many people
got freaked out by it, though, when AmEx would answer the phone "Thank
you for calling American Express, is this Mr. Jones?"

Now, whether or not Perot is using that feature..  if he really is
concerned about catching duplicates, he'd be stupid not to.  However,
I'm not at all convinced that Perot is paying one whit of attention to 
his supporters.

Allan
-- 
Allan Schaffer                                       Notice 
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com       Due to budgetary constraints the light at 
aschaffe@netcom.com                 the end of the tunnel is being turned off.
For a free copy of Bill Clinton's economic recovery plan, call 1-800-272-9763.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:32:55 EDT
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: What bothers me about Perot...

Before one starts embracing the views in _United We Stand_, one really should
go out and read _Putting People First_, the platform of the Clinton campaign.
Clinton really does have specific views on many subjects.  IMHO, the two
candidates differ the most in how they approach the deficit.  Perot wants an
all out attack to reduce it while Clinton wants to expand the economy and allow
this expanded economy to attack it more effectively.  Clinton stated as much
in an interview yesterday on the Today show.  Much of _United We Stand_ is
in _Putting People First_...  Please give it a read before you decide one
way or the other.  And while you're at it, grab a copy of _The Agenda for
American Renewal_ via anonymous ftp from nptn.org to give Bush a fair
chance...
  Secondly, I thought the meeting with officials from both the Bush and Clinton
campaign yesterday was a wonderful thing.  However, although I agree that it
was good to keep the press out, I do not understand why it wasn't filmed by
C-SPAN or some other private company for broadcast after it had taken place.
Think about it, Perot manages to get the two campaigns to talk solely and
exclusively on the issues, but doesn't think the public deserves to see this.
What's wrong with this picture?
  Finally, this one-sided business with the 800 number is really hokey.  Either
voting yes or not voting at all is electronic democracy?  Oy vey!  And I am
a proponent in many ways of the electronic town hall too...  It's such an easy
system to fool it's not even worth bothering with.  On the other hand, the
dirty tricks team of either candidate now has a way to bankrupt Perot by
flooding his number with a billion or so calls unless of course he paid a
fixed fee for it...
  For a while, I was a Perot supporter...  I even considered voting for him if
he returned.  However, if this is a sign of the way his campaign will run, I'm
sticking with Clinton...  I'll give him a chance though...  I think Bush
will be finished if a Perot/Clinton debate occurs without Bush...

Scott
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot's V. P. Candidate
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:33:30 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep29.171027.26754@pellns.alleg.edu>
dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu (David Blackburn) writes:
>So, if H. R. P. gets back in the race, who will be his running mate? I

Don't know many of the details but a newscast just announced that Ross'
running mate would be someone named Benjamin Dover.  No more details
except that Ross said "I am happy to announce my running mate,
Ben Dover, and we will give the volunteers exactly what they want."
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta)
Subject: bla,bla,bla...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:33:33 GMT

Mike Rowland (oh,no! They aren't only Bob and Rob!!!) writes:

>_you people_who want to call the 800-number just to screw up
the count are a bunch of ***ASSHOLES***.

>(bla,bla,bla deleted)

>_you people_are part of the problem -- GROW UP!!!

Hey Mike, I'm REALLY impressed with your maturity...
How tall are you? Got a Napoleon complex??????
And I bet you are REALLY smart too. Tell us
what color was Napoleon's white horse?
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Ross for Boss
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:57:08 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <templef.29.0@columbia.dsu.edu> templef@columbia.dsu.edu (Fred Temple) writes:
>The subject said it all.

Indeed it did.
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: 1-800-925-1300
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:11:19 GMT

  To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.

  This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
  ==

  Bob

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:35:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.193330.3479@wuecl.wustl.edu>, gl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
|> In article <dougn.717866427@convex.convex.com> dougn@convex.com (Douglas Nieb) writes:
|> >In <1992Sep30.141734.24557@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
|> >
|> >>  The problem is that a computer answers the number and says something to the
|> >>effect of "Thank you for showing your support of Ross Perot.  Your vote has
|> >>been counted....*CLICK".  You don't have a chance to say anything !
|> >
|> >>  Just another example of how Perot doesn't want to hear anything bad about 
|> >>himself.
|> >
|> >>Greg
|> >
|> >As was clearly stated several times during the Larry King show, only people
|> >who wanted to SUPPORT him were told to call.  Those who didn't want to 
|> >support him should have listened and not called the number.
|> >
|> >Doug
|> 
|>    Thank you for exactly making my point... Perot doesn't want to hear anything
|> bad about himself.  I wonder what will happen if he by some terrible twist of
|> fate gets elected and then gets nothing accomplished.  I can see two 
|> possibilities... 1) He'll resign or
|> 		 2) He'll impose censorship on the media to prevent bad
|>  			things from being said about him.
|> 
|> Greg
|> 

No I don't think I did make your point.  This numbers was for SUPPORTERS
to call.  If you want to make a nonsupportive statement there are
fax,phone and mail addresses available.

As to your two contentions:

1)  I don't think he will resign.  When he starts something he follows
through.  Cite one example where this has not been the case.

2)  This is what confuses me.  The media seems to be all over him about
all sorts of BS.  I think he would have the most open administration
yet.  He needs the media to start reporting about the way the system
works not about the personalities in the system.  If I want to read or
hear about who is having an affair or any of the rest of this kind of
drivil I will buy People magazine.  I want to hear about what proposals
are up befor the House and Senate, I want to know what new policies have
been forced upon us by decree.  Real news not the fluff we get now.

Doug



Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:13:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.125823.17680@ornl.gov> de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.100638.7724@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>  To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>
>>  This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>
>Right...  I think this gives us a hint of how Perot would work as president. 
>
>He only wants to hear the good news.  Where's the number for Perot supporters
>who *don't* want him to run to call?  Unless nobody bothers to call the
>support hotline, Perot will have a mandate to enter the race, and no real
>measure of what the majority of his supporters want.
>
>Bend over, folks...
>
>-- 
>Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
>Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
>Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham

Oh, yeah!  Like every Bush nazi and Clinton socialist wouldn't be
on the tele. <all night long>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Perot news conference
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:23:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.004400.25207@netcom.com> mpye@netcom.com (Michael Pye) writes:
>Perot will hold a news conference Thursday, October 1st at 4PM EST.
>CNN should carry it.
>

A Welcome Ross Party, eh?

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dblackbu@carr11.alleg.edu (David Blackburn)
Subject: Perot's V. P. Candidate
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:10:27 GMT

OK, guys. There's only one thing standing between me and the  
anti-politician. This:
So, if H. R. P. gets back in the race, who will be his running mate? I  
reemember in some states he had a problem getting on the ballot without  
one, and came up with a name. 
I'm interested in both predictions and preferences? 
(PS. If you see more than 6 RE's to this, e-mail and I'll post "survey  
results" rather than clogging up the ether. Unless of course you want to  
flame, in which case see the .sig)

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *          
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:39:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.113002.27005@crd.ge.com> /dev/null writes:
>In article 7724@gibdo.engr.washington.edu, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>
>> To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>
>> This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>> ==
>>
>> Bob
>
>It's too bad that he didn't set up an 800 number for people like me to point out
>that, according to the latest poll which shows 17% support *for* him, that there are
>83% of the voting public who would opt to have him NOT enter the race. The Martian
>and his robot, Larrie King-2-D-2, are on such Ego Trips!

Call anyway - Perot has to pay for the calls, so it's just as valid to call 
the number and say you think Perot is scum.
-- 
John Switzer               | 50 years from now, nobody will
                           | remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Brown, but every school kid will
jrs@netcom.com             | be taught about President Quayle.
From: pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Who is Perot running mate?Quale's sis
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:53:27 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Hey Guys!

I just wanted to let everyone know that it is not a question of 
can Perot win the race but why the hell is he in it!
Does he have enough money to buy the votes he needs or does he plan
to ask Donald Trump for a loan.!1!?

Let a Life Perot!!!
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot drives Limbaugh NUTS!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:38:03 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep30.064359.4587@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>
bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>  I know it.  The Democrats are acting the same way.  It's really
>  strange.  They keep saying Perot doesn't have a chance, but they're
>  acting scared.  Maybe they're not sure the system can beat down the
>  will of the people one more time.  Maybe they're scared people
>  will figure out what the Democrats/Republicans are doing to this
>  country.  The Republicans/Democrats are more scared of Perot and
>  his citizens movement than they are of each other.  It's strange.

What is strange is the Perot supporters' tendency to avoid the obvious.
The Democrats have a safe lead so they do not want ANY reshuffling
of the cards.  Without Perot, they win.  With Perot in, they probably
win but the odds have to be less than they with no RP (see the polls).
The Republicans are scrounging for votes, so they came to beg.
I fail to see how any of this indicates that Perot has a chance.
Do you really expect a majority (or even a plurality) to vote for
a 50 cent per gallon tax hike on gas?  Poor people would get a whole
lot poorer, since EVERY commodity comes to us via gas-operated
vehicles at some point.  The cost of living would skyrocket.  Then
we could tax everyone on their social security benefits.  The ones
that they already paid for (many times over) and were taxed on
anyway.  Perot is no threat due to his ill-thought-out ideas.
But the two major parties are not above rummaging for votes.
Ah, politicians.  You gotta love 'em.  Perot is a politician.
Just ask Richard Nixon and George Bush.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W)
Subject: gas tax
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Keywords: tax hike, spending cut, deficit reduction
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:04:00 GMT

Some are squawking about the burden on the poor of a tax hike on gasoline.  I
fail to see how economic collapse in this country is going to help the poor. 
That is what we are going to eventually get if we don't raise taxes and cut
spending enough to balance the budget.  A tax hike on gas has the added benefit
of reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

We can't keep voting for those who promise us "something for nothing" unless we
want to see our country become a piece of fecal material.  Eventually we have
to decide we are going to pay for the government spending we demand from our
lawmakers.

Perot understands this.  So do his followers. 

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: What bothers me about Perot...
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:38:29 GMT

;In article <92273.143255SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  Secondly, I thought the meeting with officials from both the Bush and Clinton
>campaign yesterday was a wonderful thing.  However, although I agree that it
>was good to keep the press out, I do not understand why it wasn't filmed by
>C-SPAN or some other private company for broadcast after it had taken place.
>Think about it, Perot manages to get the two campaigns to talk solely and
>exclusively on the issues, but doesn't think the public deserves to see this.
>What's wrong with this picture?

The way I understood, the TWO PARTIES objected to having any recording 
equipment in this meeting. The two parties specifically requested not 
to have any cameras etc.  as a condition to attend the meeting. One of 
the Perot people said that they had to take hand written notes in order
to inform their volunteers about the metting. 

However, I agree with you that it would have been great to watch this
meeting on C-SPAN.

John Korman



Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: Perot drives Limbaugh NUTS!!!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:14:04 GMT

In article <168726B5E.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.064359.4587@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>
>bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>  I know it.  The Democrats are acting the same way.  It's really
>>  strange.  They keep saying Perot doesn't have a chance, but they're
>>  acting scared.  Maybe they're not sure the system can beat down the
>>  will of the people one more time.  Maybe they're scared people
>>  will figure out what the Democrats/Republicans are doing to this
>>  country.  The Republicans/Democrats are more scared of Perot and
>>  his citizens movement than they are of each other.  It's strange.
>
>What is strange is the Perot supporters' tendency to avoid the obvious.
>The Democrats have a safe lead so they do not want ANY reshuffling
>of the cards.  Without Perot, they win.  With Perot in, they probably
>win but the odds have to be less than they with no RP (see the polls).
>The Republicans are scrounging for votes, so they came to beg.
>I fail to see how any of this indicates that Perot has a chance.

So, what you  are saying is that we should listen to the polls one
month ahead of the election and decide who the president is going to be. 
Hey, the polls show that Clinton is ahead right now. Tell you what,
let's cancel the election and declare Clinton as our next president.
I wonder why the top representatives from the Democrat party were in
Dallas. Perhaps to inspect the conference rooms? 

John Korman

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Re: gas tax
Keywords: tax hike, spending cut, deficit reduction
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:56:33 GMT

In article <4OCT199223044991@acad3.alaska.edu>, ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W) writes:
|> Some are squawking about the burden on the poor of a tax hike on gasoline.  I
|> fail to see how economic collapse in this country is going to help the poor. 
|> That is what we are going to eventually get if we don't raise taxes and cut
|> spending enough to balance the budget.  A tax hike on gas has the added benefit
|> of reducing our dependence on foreign oil.
|> 
|> We can't keep voting for those who promise us "something for nothing" unless we
|> want to see our country become a piece of fecal material.  Eventually we have
|> to decide we are going to pay for the government spending we demand from our
|> lawmakers.
|> 
|> Perot understands this.  So do his followers. 
|> 

Thank You!

Also don't listen to the biased "olds"...I mean news media. Ross is 

asking for TEN (10) CENTS PER YEAR FOR FIVE (5) YEARS. NOT 50 CENTS !!!

ROCKO
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dyes@convex.com (Tim Dyes)
Subject: Re: Perot's Idle Time
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:23:21 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>     Maybe it's just me, but don't you think old Ross really needs
>to find himself a hobby?  Golf, tennis, biking -- anything but
>playing these games with the Presidential election.    

Are you kidding?  If this were a hobby Perot would truely by a
masochist.  He hates this crap.  The press doesn't want to discuss
issues, all they want to do is outscoop the other networks on 
irrelevant things such as "When will you annouce... Haven't you
disappointed your supporters... etc etc."  I hope you can look your
grandkids in the face when they ask how you could let your government
take your country down the drain which is exactly where it's headed.

Perot's book details what could be done to reverse this trend, however
these solutions would remove power from the Washington establishment
and special interest groups, and neither the Democrat or Republican
parties have the balls to deal with that.

I'm sure Perot would be tickled pink if Bush or Clinton would address
the debt/deficit problem, but they and their parties simply do not
want to.  It's irresponsibility to the max.

Before you waste your vote for business as usual, read Perot's book.
The future is in our hands.

- Tim


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: hanus@epas.utoronto.ca (Peter John Hanus)
Subject: Re: bla,bla,bla...
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:02:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.164135.29096@kpc.com> emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.233333.28366@leland.Stanford.EDU> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
>>
>>Hey Mike, I'm REALLY impressed with your maturity...
>>How tall are you? Got a Napoleon complex??????
>
>Is anybody offended by this obviously  bigoted remark to height-challenged 
>	people? :-) 
>

I'm short and I'm not . . . though I tend to find the patronizing
attitudes of PC-types offensive.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot