HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Callahan's is for everyone
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:41:10 GMT

In article <122420134@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
}In alt.callahans, li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:

}> Callahan's is a news group.
}> 
}> It is *not* a bunch of people who have the professional know-how to 'help'
}> everyone.  STM looks like he could use some help that *really* knows what
}> its doing as opposed to a bunch of well-meaning, but rank amateurs.  Even
}> the Polymath, who has a degree in mind-work, will not claim to be able to
}> fix things for anyone here.
}> 
}[the rest deleted]

}Great post Liralen.  I agree fully.

~sigh~

"I was going to stay out of this -- pressure of work, etc. -- but with my
name up there in front of God and everyone I feel I have to respond.

"No, I don't claim to be able to 'fix things for anyone here.' Neither
does any competent pshrink.  For the most part, fixing people is not what
pshrinks do.

"[Exceptions:  We have a pitiful handful of drugs that can help some
people, with some conditions, sometimes (we don't know why they work or,
often, fail to work).  We have a few simple techniques that can usually
cure a few very simple, very specific disorders.  That's it.]

"What a pshrink mostly does is guide the patient through the process of
'fixing' themselves.  This is a non-trivial skill and requires
considerable training and practice to do consistently well.  However, it's
not much different _in kind_ to an act of simple friendship.

"I interned for 4 years at the L.A. Suicide Prevention Center.  Most SPC
counselors have had a few hours training and some supervised experience
before they're turned loose on their own, but that's all.  You'll find few
psych students among them, let alone licensed pshrinks. [For that matter,
the one licensed counselor (an MFC) who tried to work the lines while I
was there ran screaming after three weeks, never to be heard from again.
It's not something everyone can handle.]

"True, few of us here have any formal training as counselors.  Still, that
doesn't stop us from being good friends.  Often, a good friend, or just a
friendly response, is all that's needed to haul someone back from the
brink.  I did it for four years.

"No, Callahan's is no place to look for formal psychotherapy.  Despite our
best efforts, the medium is too impersonal and, as has been noted, few, if
any, of us have the training and skills required.  But it's a very good
place to find a sympathetic ear, a caring atmosphere and a circle of
friends when times are hard.  Those things are also non-trivial and not to
be dismissed as inappropriate or unhelpful.

"If everyone had access to the good friendships to be made here, there'd
be far less work for the pshrinks of the world, not to mention the
coroners."

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: yho@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Yue-shun E. Ho)
Subject: Re: Grrr...
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:12:45 GMT

In article <m0cHsB3w164w@geloser.login.qc.ca> rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte) writes:
>> >In article <1992Oct9.011300.6731@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David 
>> >=He looks up. "Oh, sorry. Just rebuilding my .newsrc file. I tried reading
>> >=news last night, not realising that the disk on this machine was full.
>> >=When I quit news, it tried to save the changes to my .newsrc, failed, and
>> >=for some reason erased the old version as well.
>> >
>"I don't want to create an OS war here so I won't say it's the fault of
>the OS, BUT it is certainly a fault of the EDITOR being used... Myself
>being on an OS/2-DOS system, the only editors I used are those that
>create FIRST a *.bak of the original then tries to save the new one, at
>least like that what is lost is NOT everything... ANd I don't mean
>multiple bak, just the last one read..."

News-reading programs generate ".newsrc" without manual assistance, and, 
  therefore, does not use any EDITOR.  Most news-reading programs do, however,
  save a backup copy of ".newsrc" called ".oldnewsrc".  But, as DM indicates,
  his system "for some reason" erased it (I presume "it" refers to 
  ".oldnewsrc").  Sounds strange.....

silly yue-shun


-- 
yue-shun.e.ho        yho@utcs.utoronto.ca (personal)      yho@bnr.ca (business)

"The net is expensive.  Don't stay too long."   - Me
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re: In honor of actually reading a few messages in this group again...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:33:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.214500.11944@muddcs.claremont.edu> uribe@jarthur.claremont.edu (Lydia Uribe) writes:
->In article <1b24s7INNoth@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
->>In article <ceotBXu00WB48N0H91@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Steven M. Stadnicki" <ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
->>>LA area?
->>
->>Not so far to the best of my knowledge, though there are now, I think, at
->>least 6 Callahanians (one possibly former, one lurking last I heard),
->>counting yourself, in the area:
->>	You, me, Abner, Soprano, Skeeve (lurking) and Deadrunner (MIA, though I
->>		spotted her in alt.stagecraft recently)
->
->"Hey, you left out the Polymath!  And yes, there has been one LA RealSpace,
->just about a year ago; I think that it was before StM joined us.  That's
->when I met Polymath, Deadrunner and Skeeve (although Skeeve was still
->lurking at that point)."

I know I don't post that often, but... I'm another LA-area person who at least
pops up once in a while.  Heck, I even post off the same machine Soprano does.
:)

(P.S. to Steve, who started the whole thing: Hi, Shat! :)
-- 
dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu				   David "Mishael" Green
		    Have you scritched your local Furry today?
***********************Who ordered the muon? -- I. I. Rabi**********************
	    Unix and the world Unix with you; VAX and you VAX alone.
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Literary Research
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:48:47 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct13.211755.25886@midway.uchicago.edu> esti@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.044503.14933@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> aaron@space.ualberta.ca writes:

>>"1.  What are normal speed limits in Michigan?  Is it still 55, or is that
>>a thing of the past?  (I heard somewhere that Interstates were up to 65, which
>>is more up to Canadian speeds.)

>"It was definitely 65 MPH (105 KPH) when I crashed my car on I-94 two
>years ago.  I'm pretty sure it's 65 on the entire stretch of I-94,
>except near cities.  This is, of course, the "maximum" speed limit,
>not the "normal" one, since *most* roads are of course far slower. :)"

	"Very true.  Why, ever since the strike of '76, many roads
haven't moved at all-- oops, sorry, wrong universe.

	"What I meant to say is that the official speed limit on
Michigan interstates, as with many areas of the US, is 65 except
within a certain distance of a defined population center, where it
drops down to 55 (88 km/h).  Basically, this is all a federally
mandated maximum in order to receive federal highway funds (which, to
me, is a sneaky backdoor method for the federal government to exceed
its delegated powers, but that's another rant.  :-) )

	"Of course, as in Canada, what the sign says and actual
behavior are two different things.  (On a trip to Montreal, I noticed
that in some parts of Ontario and Quebec I was just keeping up with traffic
by going around 130 km/h in a 100 zone.)  You probably won't notice
people slowing much in the 55 zones, unless a police car has been
spotted.  Average speed in both tends to be about 68-75.  That
doesn't mean that the police won't ticket people if they're low on
their quota, but conversely you're reasonably safe if you're going
along with traffic."

MIchael
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Virginia (1784)
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From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason))
Subject: Re: A very temporary goodbye
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:18:54 GMT

In article <STEVE.92Oct15142012@diana.Advansoft.COM>, steve@Advansoft.COM
(Steve Savitzky) writes:
> "The main reason I'm posting this is that I have a new job!  Starting
> on October 26th I'll be at Ricoh California Research Center in Menlo
> Park.  It's crc.ricoh.com but I don't know what my login will be yet.
> The powers that be at advansoft.com will probably shut down my account
> here considerably before then, so I'll be off the net for a week or
> so.  Be seeing you!

Jason turns from the backrub fest and says "Congrats Mnadlebear! Great
news!"

<<Crash>>

and goes back to rubbing warmth into Patch's neck.

Jason


Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 16:04:55 -0400 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Introduction
	<1992Oct6.152240.10937@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>

All this talk about radio takes me back a long way.  All the way back to
August.  I did a little radio work then.  We were making a Z80 processor
talk to a 8088 which thought that it was a 286 over the radio while a
386 and several humans listened in.  It was interesting to say the
least.  We were at half a watt of power or so nothing really large.  It
was suggested to me that I get a liscence.  An engineer one I believe. 
Oh well just my $.03(inflation doncha know)

Friend of the one who is.
Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender aka (ML5A@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: BAH! HUMBUG!
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:24:30 GMT

In article <1bd0efINNhjb@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>StM barely suppresses an urge to scream.  "Yesterday was only the 11th of
>October, and already they're starting to show _It's_a_Wonderful_Life_ on
>television."  He reconsiders for a moment.  "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

   "Speaker, I don't blame you one bit !!! Argh !" DJ.

     Its a nice movie, but shown so many times it looses its purpose/affects...

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science
 jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
  "Is it the weekend yet ?" me :-)
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From: rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove)
Subject: Re: click!
Reply-To: rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove)
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:27:04 GMT

> StM agrees, "Aahz is right.  There are actually folks out there who will damn
>near go ballistic if they hear you use the term `handicapped' or `disabled.'
>The amazing thing is that none of the people whom I've met who *INSIST* that
>you use the phrase `differently abled' were actually `differently abled'
>themselves.  Of course, the ridiculous thing about it is that the term
>`differently abled' will almost certainly, like its predecessors `handicapped'
>(which replaced `crippled') and `disabled' (which replaced handicapped, or
>maybe it was the other way around) be considered a pejorative before the end of
>the decade.  It's similar to the whole silly negro/black/afro-american/person
>of color/african-american thing.  You can make up new words all you want.  
>They still  refer to the same thing, and changing the words won't change the
>underlying reality.

I seem to be a lone voice on this topic, but changing words can change the
way we think about something.  If the pc police come down on you about
words it can be incredibly annoying, but analyzing our semantics gives
us clues to how we think about things.  

Most of the time I get by with a cane chair (shooting stick with three 
legs) so that I can have something to lean on and can sit whenever I
need to.  People treat my very differently when I am using this than
when I am in a wheelchair.  The wheelchair makes me unapproachable.
The cane chair makes me approachable, people are always telling me
how smart I am to have it (in situations like waiting for a bus or 
"standing" in a long line).  

If you look at a person who has limited mobility, vision, hearing,
muscle control, etc. and think "handicapped" and "disabled" (or
"crippled") you may unconsciously dismiss them as other than 
yourself or perhaps too hard to approach because you don't know 
what to say.  

Differently abled reminds us that there are abilities present.  I don't
*INSIST* that one use this phrase.  I just don't think it deserved
the heat that kitten's use of it generated.

Rowan (Gypsy Woman)

Rowan Fairgrove
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: u906451@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Damien Saunders)
Subject: Re: Words
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:52:52 GMT

In article <u906451.719108503@bruny>, u906451@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Damien Saunders) writes:
> 
> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
> 
> >liralen:
> >>: 
> >>: "A hug?"
> 
> >>Alfvaen proffers kitten a hug too.  "I mean, what the heck...why not..."
> 
> >"oh.....nothing i love better than a group hug....and that sounds like
> >a cue....hey didi....get your buns over here!"
> 
> >there is very little that kitten likes better than a hug...
> 
> >>---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
> >>"If your breasts are too big, you will fall over.  Unless you wear a rucksack."
> >>   --Ivor Cutler
> 
> >"cute .sig, alfvaen"
> "very amusing .sig, Alfvaen, nearly got me booted out of a computer lab for
> showing my amusement at the mental picture the .sig caused me to form."
> 
> "Can I join the group hug?"
> If so a hug to all involved.
> 
> Damien.
> 
> --
> "The best defence against the atom bomb is not to be there when it goes off."
>                 British Army Journal 1949
> Damien Saunders (Gunnar Njalsson SCA) Email:u906451@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
> 
> My continuing appologies for the self quoting (I don't have an ego problem)
Damien. 
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: doctor8@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Clay Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: The Doctor returns yet again...
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:46:34 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida


     Hugs are abounding when out of the clear blue, the TARDIS 
materializes right next to Eddie's piano! Patently ignoring the momentary 
confusion (as is his wont), The Doctor steps out. "Hello everyone! Sorry 
about the materialization, but the parking lot *is* a bit full, y'know. 
Now, down to buisness (collects a God's Blessing from Mike). It seems the 
-Sprite is intent on making an ASCII of herself (ducks a hailstorm of 
peanuts from the -Sprite). Well, I'm not adept at such creations, but 
I'll do what I can. Ahem." With that, The Doctor promptly goes and hugs 
EACH AND EVERY Callahaneer in evidence. Smiling warmly at the -Sprite, 
The Doctor shakes his finger at her "You started this. Thank you." 
Turning to the group, he says "Who all's at Table 82 at present, eh?"
     Sipping a bit on his God's Blessing, The Doctor punches up a 
steaming Lasagna on the VPM (It's got Prosciutto in it, so nyaaa) and 
heads for Table 82.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Light In The Tunnel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:53:38 GMT



>Alfvaen yells, "A round for the house on me!"  There is a considerable stir at
>this, because Alfvaen's never bought a round before.  (Well, maybe nobody's
>noticed this previously...)

>"I got a call yesterday from a company called Sequiter Software in Edmonton.
>(Yes, it is misspelt that way.)  I sent them a resume in response to an ad at
>the University back in August, with an August 31 application deadline.  I heard
>nothing from them until yesterday.

>"They want me to come in for an interview on Thursday.

kitten ducks away from the booze and stuff flying through the
air...and hugs a soggy alfvaen....."good luck....i am really glad and
absolutely sure that this will be successful..."

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: Re: Radio Information?
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:58:20 GMT

>[Jason:] The other problem is sunspots. They can cause a horrendous amount of
>interferance during the day. They run on a seven-year cycle, and I don't
>know how bad they are right now. DM or some of the others here with eyes in
>the sky can tell you that.

Danger Mouse pipes up, "It's an eleven year cycle, actually. The most
recent peak was about four years ago, maybe a little less, so we're sliding
down to a minimum in activity at the moment."

- Danger Mouse.
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: ArchTeryx's hatchday meal...
Date: 15 Oct 1992 03:44:12 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

NOTE:  This is a repost of an article I attempted to cancel.  There's a minor
correction in it (the year is changed from 73 to 74).  If you got both, I
apololgize.

In article <14OCT199216111591@bestsd.sdsu.edu>, regan1016@bestsd.sdsu.edu (T. ELIZABETH HARVEY) writes:
>"I will ..."
>Elizabeth peeks out from under the table, making sure the area of clear of 
>the PC/words debate, and she *streaks* over to ArchTeryx.  She hugs the 
>huge bird.  "Hi, hon ... need a hand?"

StM says, "Y'know, I got *ARRESTED* for that in May of 1974.  Convicted of
disturbing the peace.  The worst part was, they wouldn't even introduce me to
the piece I allegedly disturbed."

>Elizabeth begins gently massaging AT's crop, and smiles.  "I wonder if 
>humans ever try to get away with this ... 'Excuse me, miss, could you rub 
>my stomach and chest so that I can digest my lunch properly?  And if your 
>hands happen to wander, well ...'" *giggle*

StM asks, "You haven't been following the thread on my attempts to get the
caramel off my fur?  BTW, to those who've said that having my fellow felinoids
groom me might not be such a good idea, may I suggest, politely but firmly,
that you mind your own business?  Thyra?  Kitten?  What happens next?"
From: rcb33483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (ArchTeryx)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Coming in for a landing, ArchTeryx!
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:24:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:


>    "Happy Birthday Archteryx ! " Linda, DJ, and Robbie.


>    "Boss, did you forget !?!" Linda.

>    "Hmm. I guess you are back from Jellystone park then..." DJ.

>    "Boss ! Did you forget !" Robbie.

>    "Nope ! Archteryx, heres your birthday present !" DJ.


>    "Its a flute, a flute of bird/avian communication.
>If you ever enounter an avian that doesn't know one of the avian languages
>you know Archteryx, you can still communicate with them," DJ. 

>  Later, I have to get back to work...

ArchTeryx gives a very warm smile at this and warbles softly in appreciation.
"That's a very kind gift, one that I hope will come in handy.  I do wonder,
though...will it work on half-avian beings like gryphons?"

ArchTeryx, while he waits for Thyra and Jason to bring him some food, plays
a little tune on the flute at the Golden Gryphon to see if it works on him.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
R. Cody Buchmann                             ^.^  
  "ArchTeryx"                          "Of *course* I understand you--I speak 
email: rcb33483@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       1406 intergalactic avian dialects!"  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: click!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:34:36 GMT

re: differently abled vs. handicapped

rowan says:

>I seem to be a lone voice on this topic, but changing words can change the
>way we think about something.  If the pc police come down on you about
>words it can be incredibly annoying, but analyzing our semantics gives
>us clues to how we think about things.  

[   ]

>If you look at a person who has limited mobility, vision, hearing,
>muscle control, etc. and think "handicapped" and "disabled" (or
>"crippled") you may unconsciously dismiss them as other than 
>yourself or perhaps too hard to approach because you don't know 
>what to say.  

>Differently abled reminds us that there are abilities present.  I don't
>*INSIST* that one use this phrase.  I just don't think it deserved
>the heat that kitten's use of it generated.


kitten is still in this "battle" :)....when i was in a wheelchair i
was treated much differently than when i started walking again...in
fact, i lost a (sort of) SO over the issue...we had been dating before
my accident...nothing serious, but...when i had my accident sam was
there...constantly.  he "took care" of me...he actually helped pull me
through.  i got out of the hospital and was able to actually go to
Prom (a major miracle) and he and i got engaged on Prom night...now,
my guess is this relationship wouldn't have lasted anyway...but it
specifically lasted only until was was able to start functioning on my
own... i wanted sam with me...but i wanted the rest of my friends
too...and he figured that my world should consist of him...becasue i
was "handicapped"...


"but i wasn't....and i am NOT...

of course, my handicap isn't visible any more...no major scars (one
under my right breast where they had to inflate my lung...but there is
damage on the inside of my head (remember, that's why i can't do math
:)  )...

personally, i don't care what word is used...the words aren't as
important as the way we treat people..."

kitten hops down off her soapboxes...grinning.
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: nev@Turing.ORG (Niles E. VanDenburg)
Subject: Re: Another Introduction
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:00:44 GMT

jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (DJ) writes:
>Kitten writes:
>>>StM nominates Kitten for the position of Most Ancient Coot of Callahans.
>>
>>"hey....i resemble that remark....besides there lots of coots in
>>callahans who are older than  i am....i was only born in 1955!"
>
>    "Well, yes. Kitten is not the oldest person here, but then neither am I !"
>DJ. :-) :-)

Well I think you have me beat (6/49) and I am very hard pressed to
think of who the oldest coot is if it isn't you -- of course I vaguely
remember one of the customers mentioning that they had kids in college
so you could possibly be right but at the moment I can't remember who
said that.

There are times that I "feel" old - why I even remember when nerd was
spelt with a K (ie knurd - drunk spelled backwards) <GRIN>. 



-- 
Niles VanDenburg
nev@turing.org
niles_v@cho000.cho.ge.com
niles_v@cho000.dnet.ge.com
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