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From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: valiant
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:10:53 GMT

hankins@cs.swarthmore.edu (Luke Hankins) writes:
>right now do you peoples think it is worth it chop up harbingers 1-6 for #1
>i have seen 1-6 (w/ cupons) going for 60$ for the prices being asked for 0
>that doesnt seem to bad but i dunno...
>-morgan
>

I've already sent in my coupons. There are two reasons to do so:
   1) you want to read the story. Sending in your coupons is the easiest
      way to get this one done.
   2) money. Consider this. Magnus #0 had a print run of ~8,000 copies. It
      currently sells for between $40 and $60 (a friend of mine has been
      offered $25 cash for his, so $50 is a fair price for the book). Magnus
      also never made the big jump in price for #1-8 the way Harbinger is
      (check out those prices on #1). My guess is that Harbinger #0 will have
      a smaller print run than Magnus (maybe 3 or 4 thousand?), and hence,
      will be selling for $80 and up very quickly. My only worry is because
      Jim Shooter has left Valiant. He was a very strong controlling force,
      and I have no idea what direction the company wanted to take that caused
      him to leave...or what direction Valiant will take without his presence.


****GlittoFern**** glitto@iastate.edu

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From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith)
Subject: Re: Swapthing/Alan Moore
Organization: The Little Swaps of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:25:56 GMT

You know, I just gave a final exam part of which dealt with the 68000 assembly
language. To be cute I titled one of the questions "The Return of Swap Thing"
because I had asked a similar question on a midsession exam and because both
questions had the students moving the contents of registers about.

Now it's really disappointing to think that one is clever then find out that 
someone has made up the same joke purely by accident. 
-- 
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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)        |  There hangs a curve ball to be hit;
  More replica World Series    |  I'll smote it ere it reach the mitt."
  rings than David Thornley    |          "The Scottish Player," III. v. 23
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Sinestro's ring! and Guy Gardner!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:44:33 GMT

Essentially the qwardamite ring has the same powers and power level as the 
regular GL ring, but without the yellow weakness.  However, its source need not
be renewed every 24 hrs (expect to see Guy off screen start to reach for a 
power battery then slap himself for forgetfulness).  It is still limited by his
will.  However, if my speculations on the Yellow Weakness (see earlier entries 
if you dare) are right, the source of the yellow ring is less powerful than 
that of the GL battery, since all GL powers are slightly watered down by the 
yellow transistion levels in all objects.  So it isn't *exactly* a GL ring 
without the weaknesses, but rather something that simulates the normal GL power
level versus non-exclusively-yellow objects.  Of course, you already know that 
the qwardamite ring creates yellow objects, and that screws with GLs (yet, Hal 
kept beating Sinestro anyway....)
     Dave Van Domelen, aka DOCTOR DOM!
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From: ia92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: What happened, Bobby?  Having your period?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:37:17 GMT

Followup-To:  alt.flame

Please ignore Bobby Kelly.  He doesn't know what he's talking about.

 - net.spy!
From: shaun@iris.mincom.oz.au (Man in Polyester Suit)
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Subject: Re: MISC: Action figures (was Re: Fanboy)
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:41:30 GMT
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia
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lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
 : 
 : Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
 : 
 : "Real life most pele can't comunicate this good."
 :                         -- Actual BBS Post

Actually, I saw Pele in an interview once, and they're right you know.

-Shaun
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Date: 28 Jul 1992 04:31:43 GMT
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Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Keywords: Reality, Gem, whereabouts, turkey, ham, cheese, killer-nazi-clowns
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In article <1992Jul27.205506.27872@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
)     If not Thanos (Spoiler coming, I can't make the ^L thing), the reality 
)wielder has to be someone not yet seen in the IWar books. 
)...  Whoever it is is more 
)interested in the study of reality than any of the other facets of the gems 
)     Dave Van Domelen, ramblin on and on and on and <Whack!> Aiooowwwwww....

	Hm. Perhaps the Watcher? I don't believe we've seen him yet,
which is a bit odd considering how cosmic it's all been getting.

-- 
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goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |Well, I guess that I'm going to die no matter what."
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: JLA
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 02:15:17 GMT

In article <mumble> danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:

>Am I the only one that is incredulous that nobody had anything negative
>to say about JLA#61 in the letters page of the recent issue of JLA?
>Are they afraid to publish negative letters or did the people who
>disliked the issue decide to wait for it to improve before complaining?

I noticed it and was amused by the thought of how much mail they
probably had to wade through to find that many nice letters. 8-)

Either that, or the only people who wrote concerning #61 were the same
type of zombies that write letters to Marvel....  8-(

-- 
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From: MIKET@brownvm.brown.edu (Michael Thompson)
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Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:29:17 EDT
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In article <1992Jul24.195435.29622@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James
Meritt) said:
>Oh yeah(2).  Thor's hammer when wielded by Thor(original) caused vampires
>to fizzle on contact (token of a religion held by a believer!!!)

That's not a token being held by a beleiver, that's the real thing being
wielded by the actual god!  He should be able to wade through vampires and
just blow them away with his touch if we go by the vampiric "repelled by holy
symbols" theory.  When did Thor fight a vampire?

--Mike Thompson

"I want my brain back!"
From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
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Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: 23 Jul 1992 10:21:09 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Two of the possible origins of the Phantom Stranger seem to indicate that
he's Jewish. Then again, the Stranger's real name and origin is completely
unknown, so this is quite speculative. 

Abhijit
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From: andyh@cimage.com (Andy Hore)
Subject: Swapthing/Alan Moore
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:13:46 GMT

Hi,

    I'm over from the UK working for 6 months and while I'm here I
would like to try anf get holg of any original comics that Alan Moore
has had a hand in, in particular SwampThing. I'm in the Detroit area,
although I will be going to Dallas and California. 

    Either Mail order or shop is fine.

Many thanks,
Andy.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Keywords: Reality, Gem, whereabouts, turkey, ham, cheese, killer-nazi-clowns
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:55:06 GMT

Well, keep in mind that just because Moondragon can't read Thanos (like she 
can't read other Infinitors) doesn't mean he has a gem.  Granted, Moonie has 
been able to affect Purple-puss before (the Mind War in Avengers #whatever), 
but he may have made some changes in the Thanos Quest or after to prevent 
further such annoynances.  Nebula erased the last 24hrs of the Infinity 
Gauntlet, but nothing says he didn't permanently psiproof himself before that.
     In regards to the speculation on the Reality Gem holder mentioned in a 
previous spoiler section, I think that the somewhat surly attitude of the 
holder precludes that.  Also Adam's surprise at finding the origin of the new 
Magus makes unlikely such a choice for gembearer.
     If not Thanos (Spoiler coming, I can't make the ^L thing), the reality 
wielder has to be someone not yet seen in the IWar books.  Perhaps Collector, a
very "bad" choice considering his reaction to the gem in Thanos Quest.  And of 
course, Adam is always harping on how his choice might seem stupid.  Stranger 
might be another possibility.  A look into Adam's past may be needed.  We know 
without a doubt that High Evolutionary isn't the one, he's a veg.  I believe 
all of Adam's "fathers" are now dead of age and stress, but may be wrong.  
Maybe he gave it to Syzygy...oops, wrong Starlin book.  Whoever it is is more 
interested in the study of reality than any of the other facets of the gems 
(Time, Space, etc...), so probably isn't Immortus or the ilk (no, I don't 
beleive Immortus is gone, regardless of TimeQuake events).  Maybe Minion, yes?
No.  Maybe he gave a body to the bit of Star Thief he had in his Soul Gem, and 
gave the Reality Gem to ST.  That seems quite possible, now that I look at it.
     Dave Van Domelen, ramblin on and on and on and <Whack!> Aiooowwwwww....
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From: mickey@brahms.udel.edu (Ernest McCarter)
Subject: MARVEL: Fantastic Four Origin (was Re: Marvel Continuity)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:32:13 GMT


On the origin and background of the Fantastic Four...

It has not been mentioned for a very long time that Reed and Ben
may have ever been in World War 2.  By Marvel's attitude, therefore,
this is no longer in the official version of their origin, despite
any excuses you can bring up with the Skrull aging ray.  Around
FF #271, Reed celebrates his fortieth birthday.  You cannot
reasonably claim that he was ever in WW2.

I, for one, am willing to accept the fact that Marvel has to revise
details about its characters' origins.  It is absurd to expect them
to age naturally and I've always considered such dating details
to be relatively minor points of continuity.  It doesn't affect
my enjoyment (or lack thereof with DeFalco, maybe) of the FF to
assume that for *today's* purposes, their famous spaceflight occurred
in 1981 instead of 1961.

As for the spaceflight itself, I've read a few references to it
being retconned into the first interstellar space flight (or in
some earlier versions of the retcon, the first flight to Mars).
I don't have my collection handy, so I can't recall any specific
issues for those that may ask...


Mick

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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:39:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.150241.57564@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
}> }>>>	Hm. Perhaps the Watcher? I don't believe we've seen him yet,
}> }>>>which is a bit odd considering how cosmic it's all been getting.
}> }>
}> }>>Maybe, perhaps... it's Franklin ;)
}> }>
}> }>No... I got it... the old Thor :)
}> }
}> 
}> You are ALL wrong!!!!
}> 
}> I HAVE IT!!!!!
}> 
}> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
}
}	Hmmmm.  You too huh?

Get real(ity).   :-)


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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Crisis = uncreative writers
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:11:55 GMT

kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe) writes:
>villain that can take a place in Supes' Rogues Gallery Hall of Fame
>and isn't wiped out immediately by the big Red Cheese?

Isn't the Big Red Cheese reserved as Sivana's "affectionate" name for
Captain Marvel?  Shazam!


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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Subject: Re: New Titans #89
Organization: University of Michigan Population Studies Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:29:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.122949.13740@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> rekle@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Rick Ekle (CompSci)) writes:
>
>Metropolis = New York (that's pretty obvious)
>
>Gotham City = I'm not positive but I get the impression it is Chicago.
>
>Central City = some city in Florida (Miami?)

The old line was that Gotham/Metropolis were twin cities, usually in New
Jersey.  Central City is clearly midwest (as many comics make a point of
Barry Allen's and Wally West midwestern personalities).  I always figured
that Central City was somewhere in Ohio.  I also believe that Midway City
(home of Hawkman) is usually placed in Michigan, somewhere near Lake Michigan.
I like this one, since that's where I'm from.  :) (reference-- Tony Isabella's
Hawkman series)

[These placements were the ones touted in the late 70's early 80's-- some
have clearly changed since then.  Note Byrne's placement on Metropolis
somewhere off of the East coast.]
-- 
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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
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Subject: Re: The death of Superman
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:35:54 GMT
 <Jul.28.06.42.06.1992.3463@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Distribution: rec
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <Jul.28.06.42.06.1992.3463@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
arcarese@andromeda.rutgers.edu (John C Arcarese) says:
>
>I went to pick up my comics this week, and the person at the store showed
>me a preview that states that Superman will be killed off in issue #75 of
>"Superman", after a month long buildup.  Any guesses at how long this
>will last, or how they'll bring him back...

I heard something about him going to hell, whihc leads me to think a Dante's
inferno deal is at hand...

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Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:33:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
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In article <4899@airs.com>, ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor) writes:

> Moon Knight is Jewish, and his father is a rabbi, in a totally random
> retcon toward the end of his first solo series.
Which personality ;^) ?

> Isn't Fathom of the Elementals Jewish?
Absolutely.

And Magneto/Magnus ISN'T.
Just because his family was killed in a concentration camp doesn't mean he is
jewish.  Six million jews were killed in concentration camps.  Twenty-five
million people in total were killed there, many of them gypsies, undesirables,
poles, etc!  It's pretty darn well established that he is of gypsy stock.
His wife (mother of Wanda and Pietro) was gypsy, as was much of the area around
Wundagore, where W&P were born.  This is all circumstantial, but pretty solid.
I'd have to check some old X-Men to see if there's any other corroborating
evidence.  The stuff about him being in a concentration camp is getting kind of
hard to swallow, as it would make him and Xavier at least 60.

Then again, they've retconned the ages a number of times.
If you check the dates of when Ororo was in Cairo when Prof X had his first
encounter with the man who would be the Shadow King, and the engravings of
Jean Grey's headstone, Jean is younger by a few years (I forget the exact 
dates).  I think X-Men Classics eliminated the date reference for Ororo's birth
date.

Joel
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From: katie@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Katie Schwarz)
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Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:44:42 GMT
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danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank) writes:
>With the return of Seraph in the Global Guardians (Yay!!!!), I wanted to
>compile a list of Jewish superheros. Please post any additional ones
>you may be aware of.
>
>DC

Eric Strauss, of the Eric-and-Linda Dr. Fate of a couple years ago, was
Jewish (his funeral service was done by a rabbi). But the religious
concepts that the writer put into the stories were sort of new-age/Christian.

--Katie
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Shadow of the Bat question...
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:43:59 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) writes:

> The next issue ships 7/30, stars some guy named the "Black Spider" (original
> thinking, here) and is a "junkie kicks the habit" story.  

I'm not sure what Glenn's "original thinking" comment is supposed to mean.
I took it as something along the lines of "This is DC's version of Spider-Man
and/or Venom."

But actually, the Black Spider will be a post-Crisis revamp of a minor 1970s
Bat-villain.  That Black Spider, also someone with a mad on for drug dealers,
appeared in DETECTIVE 463-464 and BATMAN 306 and 400.

By the way, did anyone notice that there was a post-Crisis Cavalier, in the
pre-Crisis costume, among Arkham's inhabitants?  Looks like another untold
story.  Either the Cavalier from LOTDK didn't die, or he spawned an imitator.


-- 
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From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
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Subject: Re: Flash vs Superman (was Re: <mumble>)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:15:34 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Jul28.221257.11868@tandem.com> From: Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)

> In article <Bs2vyq.2FA@cs.psu.edu>, antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes) writes:

> Sorry. . .

> But the pre-Crisis Superman was absurdly fast whether Barry was around or not.
> If you remember, he moved so fast he could go back in Time, for yike's sake.
> Great try, though.  This is one of the (MANY) parts of the DC continuity that
> is still hopelessly muddled.  A Superman that tied Barry in a race (and yes,
> Clark remembers this) would beat Wally with laughable ease.  I've written 
> letters to the Supes titles as well as Flash. You guessed it. . .no answer yet.

Wally beat Superman in a foot-race!

The 3 races between Superman and the Flash
were in Flash, Superman (I forgot in which order) and
DC Comics Presents #1.

The first was a foot race om Earth - both were limiting
their speed - control was the issue.
It was a tie - intentionally.

The second was in space and Flash ran on a platform
generated by a amulet from the Guardians.
Flash won in a crawl to the finish - literally

The third was across space and time.

Obviously the latter did not occur after Crisis.

Probably the only race which occured after Crisis
was the first one.
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From: mfterman@dae.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: Peter David on Aquaman
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:22:13 GMT
Reply-To: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire)
Distribution: na
Organization: Mutant for Hire, Inc.

In article <62883@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>I have it on good authority that Peter David's first issue of Aquaman is
>#14.  Previously it was #13 but it was pushed back an issue.
>
>PAD

Sigh. Another rec.arts.comics rumor with probably no basis in truth
whatsoever. When are people going to learn to get more authorative
sources?


[the above is :) captioned for the humor impared]
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  me that control the parts of the universe I do control." - Martin Terman
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: A Shade more
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:55:24 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul26.055716.10077@reed.edu>, mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston) writes:
> In article <1992Jul25.013531.6036@midway.uchicago.edu>  
> lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul24.162520.5781@iscsvax.uni.edu>  
> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> 
> Well, I have my own theory about how the Suicide Squad Shade fits in to  
> continuity.  Remember the issue where shade travelled through time meeting  
> his younger selves (it was during The Road story)?  It's been a while  
> since I read it, but it was implied that Shade made up "Ditko mythology"  
> with one of his younger selves during the trip.  And, when you consider  
> the reality warping power of the M-vest, you might consider that the Ditko  
> mythology was retroactively made into a reality.  This way, all of the  
> Ditko and SS stories involved an unreal superhero-like Shade and not the  
> one we all know and love.  Does that make any sense?


        Uhhhhhhhhhhh......sort of.


        S H Y L O C K


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