HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: The Chilean Model
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:44:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Pablo Kleinman dice en <1dn8pjINNkaf@girtab.usc.edu>:

>A pesar del declive economico de 50 anyos, Argentina continua siendo
>el pais de America Latina con mejor nivel de vida, la clase media mas
>extensa, la intelectualidad mas sofisticada, y un producto bruto per
>capita solo igualado por Venezuela y sus ingresos petroliferos.

Fijate Pablo decidi consultar el Almanaque Munidal de 1988 (con estadisticas 
del 85).  Aunque estan un poco viejas mira la lista del producto per capita 
para que vean quien esta encima de Argentina y puedas consolar tu ego de ser lo 
mejor de Latinoamerica:


PRODUCTO BRUTO PER CAPITA (fechas entre parentesis cifras en dolares)

ESTADOS UNIDOS: (1988) $16,444.00

AMERICA LATINA:

Puerto Rico (1985)          $4,301.00
Venezuela (1985)            $2,629.00
Argentina (1987)            $2,360.00
Mexico (1984)               $2,082.00
Brazil (1987)               $2,020.00
Panama (1984)               $1,970.00
Uruguay (1986)              $1,701.00
Cuba (1983)                 $1,590.00
Costa Rica (1987)           $1,584.00
Chile (1988)                $1,520.00
Colombia (1987)             $1,140.00
Ecuador (1988)              $1,040.00
Paraguay (1987)             $1,000.00
Honduras (1988)             $1,000.00
Nicaragua (1988)              $610.00
Peru (1984)                   $940.00
Republica Dominicana (1987)   $800.00
El Salvador (1986)            $600.00
Bolivia(1987)                 $570.00
Haiti (1987)                  $360.00

Me gustaria saber tambien como mides la "sofisticacion" de los intelectuales 
en Argentina, que nos sea mediante adjudicaciones arrogantes sino por el numero 
de egresados universitarios (asi como la inversion en del Producto Bruto 
Nacional en la educacion (por estudiante)). Igual ocurre con la "calidad de 
vida" que por lo visto no es muy buena para los inmigrantes chilenos viviendo 
en Argentina, asi como para aquellos que tomaron por asalto los almacenes de 
comida hace unos an~os. En cuanto a salud, por suerte pudieron controlar la 
epidemian del colera recientemente en la Argentina luego de decreta una 
emergencia medica.  Espero que la huelga general de ayer no ande 
entorpeciendoles la calidad de vida.

Saludos,

Edelmimro
From: pablito@girtab.usc.edu (Pablo Kleinman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Intelnet o Bitnet en la Republica Dominicana?
Date: 4 Nov 92 15:33:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: girtab.1daip0INN4mg
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov2.172257.26@newton.hartwick.edu> velazquezh@newton.hartwick.edu writes:
>Do you know if the Dominican Republic has access to
>Bitnet or Internet? If so, can you please tell me
>the address of any University there? 
>Thank you!

There is a FidoNet system in Santo Domingo, which like the rest of FidoNet
is linked to the Internet. You can try sending e-mail there to:

Temistocles.Bello@f30.n367.z1.fidonet.org

Puedes mencionar mi nombre como referencia de quien te dio el dato, si
asi lo deseas.

Salu2,

          -Pablo

--
Pablo Kleinman
Hollywood, CA, USA
pablito@scf.usc.edu
FidoNet: 1:102/631
Fax/Data: +1-213-874-7276
--
From: sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Statehood for Puerto Rico?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:29:52 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu wrote:
: My opinion on this question is that the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and 
: the various US Territories (e.g., Virgin Islands, Guam) should be either 
: admitted into the Union as full States, or cut loose and allowed to take 
: their place in the world as independent nations.  The people in these
: territories have advantages & disadvantages unavailable to citizens of the 
: 50 states.

Why? Why do you feel there are only TWO choices? Puerto Rico has been
a commonwealth for a long time. There are some people who believe this is
a viable solution to our needs. Is there some law or logic that says 
state or liberty are the only choices?

Traduccion:

Porque? Porque tu crees que solo existen DOS opciones? Puerto Rico ha sido
un Estado Libre Asociado por muchos an~os. Hay gente que cree que este ELA
es una solucion aceptable para nuestras necesidades. Existe una ley o logica
que dice que "estado" o "libertad" son las unicas opciones?
From: pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla)
Subject: Re: Salas (un retardado a la alta escuela)
Keywords: Tacticas
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:58:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.001015.15079@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.090609.6442@massey.ac.nz> G.A.Arias@massey.ac.nz (G A Arias) writes:
> >Red:
> >
> >Edelmiro Salas constituye un caso psicologico peculiar. Lo unico que el 
> >pretende con sus cartas es un poco de atencion... de la cual debe ser carente
> >en el medio en el que circula. Es bueno que tanta gente de la red lo ayude
> >en este problema, haciendole sentir importante, discutiendole... el debe estar
> >feliz.
> >
> >Por mi parte, siempre que veo en el remite las dos letras "ez" oprimo la
> >letra "k" o "n" y asunto arreglado. Propongo "llevarle la cuerda", es
> >decir, darle la razon en todo (por saber que efectos tiene esta nueva
> >tactica). Presiento que seria terrible para el. Lo otro seria no leer sus
> >mensajes, no comentarlos, nada. Esto seria fatal pero vale la pena
> >probar... no creen?
> >
> >G.
> 
> 
> TOTALMENTE DE ACUERDO!
> 
> -Anibal
> 

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todos,

yo tambien simpatizo con estos comentarios; digamos que sea vuelto
el `hasmereir del newsgroup';  es que como decimos alla en el sur:
si los tipos como edelmiro se pudieran guardar en frasco, con el
tendriamos "concentrado de idiota" como para 3 siglos.  :-))))))))

ruben
From: rravelo@orion.oac.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: 1962:Castro proposes first nuclear strike
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:29:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <19040@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Raul,
>starves.  Castro is totally isolated.  They little support he has from
>abroad is no match to an agressive U.S. stance on the matter.  As to the
>using of the embargo as an excuse for repression and misery, I think
>that Castro will find some other excuse to justify his brutality, although
>certainly it generates further internal terror, for nobody in their sane
>mind will want to justify the policy within Cuba.  Sooner or later the 
>excuse will wash away and be insufficient to deterr popular  protests. Who 
>knows, they way things are now a brothel fight could deteriorate into a riot.
>

 My relatives and friends in Cuba are hoping that the Torricelli law will
 break Castro's back once and for all. They said that since there is very
 little to eat anyway this law will not make it any worse for them, but
 Castro's programs for tourism, etc. will get affected a lot.
 
 Judging by the protest launched in this country by the "progressive"
 forces it looks like that's the course to follow for one or two years
 to get rid of the comandante en jefe, primer cortador de can~a, primer
 veterinario y primer hijo de puta en la isla .........

--
Ray I. Ravelo                 "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing.  Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                   from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: HIST. PHIL. SOC. of Sci. Conf. in CUBA
From: <PRHHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 7 Nov 1992 13:48:10 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Dear colleague,
You are invited to attend a conference on the History and Philosopy
of Scienceto be held in Habana, CUBA.  The conference wiltake place
between the 4th and the 14th of January 1993.  The conference is sponsored
by the Departments of Philosophy, History and Sociology at the University
of La Habana.
The U.S. delegation will be of about 35 people.
There will be four panels:
a. Science, the environment, and apropriate technology.
b. Capitalism, technology, and the first/third world realtions.
c. Philosophy and politics of science.
d. Contemporary issues in philosophy and history of science.
We expect that the cost will be $1100, for airfare between Miami and
La Habana, lodging, a basic meal plan, programming, and trasportation
in Cuba.  This does not include the cost of airfare from your home to
Miami.
The conference will constitute a "professional research" for those within
the fields of related fields.  This is one of the exceptions to the U.S.
restrictions on travel to Cuba.
Is you are interested and require more information, please forward a message
to my EMail address and I will sent the required information.

Sincerely yours,

Rafael Hernandez
Sociology Department          Medical Sociology
Hunter College, CUNYCornell Univ. Medical Center

The General Coordinators

Joy Gordon  Philosophy Department,  Yale University
Adolfo Olea-FrancoHistory Department,  Harvard University
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 05 Nov 92 17:45 PST
Subject: Re: IPS:USA:Cuban Missile Crisis & Braz
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1473800360:cdp:1473800372:000:387
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Nov  5 17:45:00 1992



Edelmiro,

Otra vez despistado--que tiene que ver Managua o la Habana con la discusion?
Acaso tu implicacion es que cualquiera que mantenga un posicion critica de
la politica exterior de los EEUU es un COMUNISTA por definicion.

Enterate que McCarthy ya no esta de moda!!

Por favor mantente en el punto y trata de hacerlo con menos ASCII ;-)

un anarco que aprecia un buen intercambio
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: elecciones y PR
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:25:26 GMT

Hola:
Una cosa que me tiene medio confundido.
El martes, mientras daban los resultados electorales estado por estado, 
trate d encontrar Puerto Rico, ya que segun me paecio, los puertorrique~os
son ciudadanos de los EEUU y votan.
Sin embargo, el mapa no mostraba Puerto Rico, ni dijeron que tuvieran 
electores presidenciales.
Como se maneja esto?
Quienes pueden votar por presidente y quienes no?
Si Puerto Rico no tiene ni Senadores ni "represenantes", como esta representado
en el gobierno?
Es decir: Como se entiende que sean ciudadanos pero no puedan votar (o si?) por
el presidente y no tengan representacion parlamentaria?
Por ultimo: Si el pueblo de Puerto Rico elige la estatidad, vale eso de 
algo si es que no tienen representacion parlamentaria?

Perdonen las preguntas, pero no entiendo muy bien como es que se maneja
todo este asunto (como que si estan en la isla no pueden votar o algo asi)

Gracias por las respuestas.

Alberto Pinkas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 1992 13:55:31 -0500 
From: Mario Alejandro Hidalgo <mh6i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 1980 P.R. elections

In a recent posting I stated:

>While being Governor from 1976-1980, Carlos Romero Barcelo cheated in
the 1980 elections and was re-elected. 

While someone answered:

>You are lying, and thus should susbstantiate your accusation with proof.

Here is the proof:

1. On election day, 1980, Carlos Romero Barcelo gave his victory speech
many hours before the official results came in, when the vote count was
pretty much even.  Do you think he had a magic intuition that he was
going to win???

2.  The official election results were not known for over 9 months (Yes,
9 months) after the election day.

3.  It is well known in Puerto Rico that many votes were trashed during
that 9-month period.

4.  After 9 months of waiting, the results given out were suspiciously
close to one another.

   Also, Romero is thought to be behind a major government cover-up in
the killing by police of two independentist supporters late in the
1970's while he was in his first term as governor.  (Ever see the movie
"A Show of Force"?).

Anyone who knows anything about P.R. politics knows that Carlos Romero
Barcelo is not a trustworthy person.  In the recent elections, he only
won by 18000 votes, compared to the big margin for governor.  Many of
the PNP supporters know that Romero cannot be trusted, so they voted for
Antonio Colorado for Resident Commissioner.  That's why the margin was
so slim.  Also, look for some differences of opinion between
governor-elect Rossello and Romero, because many
differences between them surfaced during the campaign.
From: devore@phy.uab.edu (Todd Edward DeVore)
Subject: Re: Los disparates de Edelmiro
Reply-To: devore@phy.uab.edu
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:52:08 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.014837.7624@cis.uab.edu> devore@phy.uab.edu writes:
->In article 19083@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu () writes:
->  

->Its amazing how someone can relate every US intervention mentioned in this aricle 
->(in Guatemala, Panama, etc. etc.) to "solidaridad entre pueblos."  I think a person has
->to be pretty brainwashed not to realize that the solidarity that exists between
->people here and abroad is not always reflected in what our government (or corporations)     do secretly or openly in other countries.  Of course all you need to do is just go south of San Diego to see this is true. (but I suppose according to Edelmiro the conditions
->we allow people to endure in our maquiladores around Tijuana corresponds
->to our great concern for human rights?)


*I've had the occasion to spend plenty of time "just south of San
>Diego".  The maquiladores are not strictly U.S. enterprises.  Many
>are from Japan, Korea, etc.  The conditions of the people who are
>fortunate enough to have a job in the maquiladores is usually much
>better than those of similar background who have to make a living on
>the streets or are forced by circumstances to try their luck on the
>other side.  The conditions you complain about in the maquiladores
>are not limited to these industries.  You will find equally bad or
>worse conditions in all parts of Mexico and most of latin-america.
>Why is the U.S. always blamed for all of the problems south of its
>border?  Perhaps you believe that conditions were much better for
>mexican workers before the maquiladores were permitted into Mexico?

>Robert


I have also spent much time there (building houses there for habitat for humanity)
and i dont think people working for 1.50/hr under hazardous cnditions are exactly
"fortunate to just have a job" that gives little hope for a better life. Obviously harsh conditions exist in many parts of Latin America, and even in this country
for migrant workers near where I live in Oregon. US
and foreign companies and indirecctly us citezens) benefit from peoples poverty
and willingness to provide cheap labor, but ive always kind of thought people
deserve a little more than to just be taken advantage of.(of course there are 
well run maquiladores and agri. companies that do take some real interest
in the well being of their cheap labor, but that doesnt mean we and 
our govt. should accept the practices of those that don't)
I didnt mean to imply that th US is the source of all of Latin Americas problems.
I was just trying to illistrate that what the US govt. does or allows doesnt always
seem to coincide eith a a high priority for human rights,as i thought was implied 
by someone who writes a lot of stuff in this newsgroup i find pretty 
incomprehensible.  but perhaps it wasnt worth the time responding in the first place.
From: anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Argentina !!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:24:38 GMT
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

In article <1992Nov5.020635.18285@ncar.ucar.edu> newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery) writes:
>In article <1992Nov2.093904.24731@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, u883161@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Alex Tewes) writes:
>|> Hola!
>|> 
>|> hay alguien que recibe e-mail en BsAs???  He vivido en Australia por 
>|> 20an~os y necesito practicar el idioma
>|> 
>|> Hasta pronto!
>|> 
>|> Alex Tewes  
>|> 
>|> u883161@postoffice.utas.edu.au
>
>Hola,
>
>ya que hay varios pedidos sobre email a Argentina, aca
>mando la informacion sobre la red, y como conectarse.
>
>chau,
>Santiago.
>
>
>1. Cultural/geographical region: ARGENTINA
>
>2. Description: Mailing list for general discussion and information. 
>By joining you can learn about how to make empanadas, discuss on how 
>to 'cebar un buen mate', and of course, on how to solve Argentina's 
>most outstanding problems. To join send name, e-mail, phone number, 
>address, and topics of interest.
>
>3. Service: mailing list
>
>4. E-mail addresses:
>
>-Subscriptions, information: argentina-request@asterix.eng.buffalo.edu
>-Messages to members: argentina@asterix.eng.buffalo.edu
>                      (and various subgroups)
>-Administrator: Jorge Gatica (argentina-request@asterix.eng.buffalo.edu)
>
>5. Status: ACTIVE
>
>6. Additional information: dominant language, Spanish; membership, 450.
>An additional address is used to send and receive news (such as newspaper
>news): argentina-noticias@ois.db.toronto.edu. Messages are delivered in
>two ways: standard, and daily digest.
>

The addresses above have been changed to the domain:
journal.math.indiana.edu

All the usernames are ok.

-Anibal
anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:05 PST
Subject: Re: Is there a news group for Peru?
Nf-ID: #R:BwtBKw.2FK@techbook.com:-416003542:cdp:1473800378:000:238
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Nov 10 19:05:00 1992



Fellow netters,

Fo those of you interested in a conference (newsgroup) on Panama there's
one via PeaceNet.  You'd need an account on PN and it is accessible via
telnet igc.org

For more info write:  support@igc.apc.org

Saludos,

David

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,sci.med,talk.politics.medicine,alt.activism
From: ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Cuban Vice-Minister of Public Health to Speak on Impact of New Embargo on Food and Medicine
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:18:37 GMT

Here is a press release from the American Public Health Association

 Cuban Vice-Minister of Public Health to Speak on Impact of New
Embargo on Food and Medicine
 To: Assignment Desk, Health Writer, Daybook Editor
 Contact: Rachel Dale of the American Public Health Association,
          202-387-3401/3403, or 202-789-5677

 News Advisory:

 What:   Press Conference

 Who:    Dr. Hector Terry-Molinert
         Vice-Minister of Health for Hygiene and Epidemiology
         Cuba

 When:   Friday, Nov. 13
         2 p.m.

 Where:  American Public Health Association
         1015 15th Street, N.W., Third Floor

   Dr. Hector Terry-Molinert, vice-minister of health for hygiene and
epidemiology of Cuba, will talk about the public health impact of the
Torricelli Bill, which places a new embargo on trade between
subsidiaries of U.S. corporations and Cuba.
   Because 70 to 80 percent of this trade is in food and medicine,
the public health impact is expected to be substantial.  Terry, the
second ranking Cuban public health officer, will outline the expected
impact and take questions from the press.  Press packets will be
available.
   The American Public Health Association, founded in 1872, is the
largest organization of public health professionals in the world, and
the foremost publisher of public health related books and
periodicals, promoting high scientific standards, action programs,
and public policy for good health.
 -30-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: psilva@dcc.uchile.cl (SILVA OSORIO PABLO WASHINGTON)
Subject: Sin palabras....!
Originator: psilva@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:03:53 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


Que les parece lo que aparecio en soc.culture.spain???...

 jajaja       sin comentarios!!...

atte psilva

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   Eso de verles a ustedes, suena fatal en Espan~a; aunque se, que
todos los Sudamericanos utilizan siempre ustedes, vos.....! que jaleo !

Yo por eso, no me mezclo con Sudamericanos muy a menudo. Ellos me
arruinan mi idioma. Y luego cuando voy a Espan~a, todo el mundo me pregunta,
que de que pais soy. ! que rollo!


Ana Maria,
una madrilen~a
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:24 PST
Subject: Re: Salas
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov11.090609.6442@massey.ac.:1363244465:cdp:1473800392:000:291
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Nov 11 22:24:00 1992



Robert,

To an American (in the INCLUSIVE definition) your quib about the 
dictators and censorship borders on the racist. I bring to your
attention a solid study of censorship and propaganda in the USA by
one of your most noted authors--"Manufacturing Consent," Noam
Chomsky.

Cheers,

DS

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Subject: Re: The Chilean Model
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:19:26 GMT

In article <6648@news.duke.edu> dgt@phy.duke.edu (Dinko Eduardo Gonzalez) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.235908.16735@spss.com> markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:
>>For another, I think you greatly underestimate the horror of the Chilean
>>dictatorship.  Did you know that it was government policy to rape every
>>woman who was arrested for political reasons?  That was pretty damn
>>"VERY lucky" for them, huh?  (My source for this is Jacobo Timerman.)
>
>Well, Timerman is hardly an unbiased source.  This "raping policy" is
>ludicrous.  I do not condone the excesses of the military regime, but 
>gentelmen, please let us not allow the imagination of others cloud
>our good judgment and make us accept as dogma everything they say.

You offer not the slightest basis for your rejection of Timerman's
charge.  Timerman should know something about the brutalities of fascists, 
since he suffered them firsthand; and if he makes striking accusations
about the Chilean dictatorship it's because he's gone there and studied it.
Nor is there, unfortunately, anything "ludicrous" about this particular
charge.  Solzhenitsyn reports something very similar about the Soviet
prison system, in the _Gulag Archipelago._

I have to say, however, that I admire your rhetorical technique.  No need to
provide facts or arguments to counter an idea you don't like: just label
it as "biased" or "dogma."  This must save you immense time and mental effort!