HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Bloody Maastricht...
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:40:42 GMT
Reply-To: dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

Yes, i see, you prefer to watch some antiquated oddball series, that has been
repeated about 10 times already, rather than see if our blessed government
has finally come off the rails (wrong sort of back-bencher).

and, of course, you never complain about the state of the country, what the govt
does and what effect it may have on your insular life as long as you can watc h
your alternative soap.
Hmm
dr doom the optimist
(who knows who his MP (a certain G.Kaufmann) is,
	and also knows that he is not a marxist!)
ps. I would prefer to see the royalk family go out to work, and earn a living and
pay taxes if they could find or want a job..
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From: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner,rec.arts.tv.uk,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bloody Maastricht...
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:05:53 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Followup-To: alt.tv.prisoner
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <2652.imc@uk.ac.ox.prg>, imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
 
|> And all this happened just a couple of hours after I wound the tape to my
|> recording of Monday's "Panorama" to find out all about what the Government
|> has in store for our beloved BBC - only to discover that it had mysterioulsy
|> changed into...  another discussion about Maastricht.  What's more, there
|> was absolutely no indication of what had happened to the programme that had
|> been cancelled.  I'll have to record future weeks' Panoramas just in case
|> they decide to show the one I want.

Yeah - that was another one that got me last week. The first time in absolute
ages I wanted to watch Panorama and the scheduled programme disappears
without trace.
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From: imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner,rec.arts.tv.uk,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bloody Maastricht...
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:20:56 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
X-Modified-on: Sunday, 8th November 1992 at 6:20pm GMT
X-Local-Date: Friday, 6th November 1992 at 12:50pm GMT
Originator: imc@msc2.comlab

[apologies if you see this twice... it didn't seem to make it the first time]
In article <1992Nov5.134522.2149@wraxall.inmos.co.uk>, des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) wrote:
>well at least they didn't push it back 15 minutes to give jonathan woss
>longer to talk to madonna without informing my video recorder :-)

You should have informed your video recorder yourself - the later start time
was correctly stated in the Radio Times (etc).

And if you got that wrong, I suppose I should warn you that next week's
(well, actually this week's ;-) ) episode starts at 11.00 instead of 11.15.

Ian Collier
Ian.Collier@prg.ox.ac.uk | imc@ecs.ox.ac.uk
From: dane@wente.llnl.gov (Dane E. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: why?
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:55:15 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

Ah, a graduate of the Captain Kirk School of Computer Destruction...

Be seeing you...

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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Any decent TP gifs anywhere?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:56:43 GMT

Subject line says it all: are there any good Prisoner gifs out there?
If someone could send me info on ftp sites that have them, I'd much
appreciate it.
(I know about the gifs at osi.iunet.it already - only 2 b&w gifs there,
hardly great...)

Be seeing you.
Daniel.
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From: mcsdc1gf@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: FAN CLUB
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:28:32 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

This may be totally pointless but I have seen the new box set and it is priced
at 50 pounds ,give or take a penny....

Also i have the address of the official #6 fan club:

                   SIX OF ONE
                   PO BOX 60
                   HARROGATE
                   HG1 2TP

This may be old info but it is nice to keep things updated....

I am going to spend me grant cheque on the box set so i will be able to
tell you if it is worth buying (The reason for this is that there is a
different version of 'CHIMES' on it and as it is all together , i will be
able to watch it non stop so i will be able to pick up on any thing which
might be able to answer the famous questions!!!)
I have heard that if you study the prog then there are little things which
tell you who is NO.1 and where the village is ETC.

Be seeing you and best of luck with the exams

Garry Fraser












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Subject: Re: Any decent TP gifs anywhere?
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In article <domalley.721508203@unix1.tcd.ie> Slartibartfast,
domalley@unix1.tcd.ie writes:
>Subject line says it all: are there any good Prisoner gifs out there?

it seems there are some at nic.funet.fi
/gif/pics/tv+film/prisoner(? not sure if it's prisoner or the_prisoner;
get to tv+film and have a look.)

This server might be mirrored (at wustl?)

Victor's gifs are great, though!

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From: loverso@osf.org (John Robert LoVerso)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: why?
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:54:49 GMT
Organization: OSF Research Institute, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov04.182525.27208@news.mentorg.com> bob_cannard@mentorg.com writes:
> 
> In article <nrp.720877082@reading>, nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Scented fads" Neilski) writes:
> |> >If you really want to get a super intelligent computer upset there is only
> |> >one way to do it:
> |> >      "I never tell the truth"

Perhaps you mean ``I am telling a lie'' or ``This statement is false.''
None the less, I doubt it would `upset' a ``super intelligent computer,''
unless said computer were something conjured up by some Hollywood
writer.  Such a statement would certainly never get past by a strictly
logical interpreter, but a ``super intelligent computer,'' with a
few fuzzy inference engines, would (correctly) respond:

	``You're outta here.''

John
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From: ewm6965@sigma.tamu.edu (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Re: why?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov04.182525.27208@news.mentorg.com>, bob_cannard@mentorg.com
writes...
>paradox. Now, if you try "This statement is false", you're on your
>way to blowing a few circuits. Assuming you can find a way of
>phrasing it as a question.

"Is the answer to this question no?"

If you disallow statements which refer to themselves, you can still get around
it:

"The following statement is true.
 The preceding statement is false."  -George Carlin, A Place for My Stuff
						     --------------------

..but that's just an indirect self-reference, which you can spot easily
enough.


Actually, Kurt Godel's big discovery was that any first-order (whatever that
means) logic system will contain a statement equivalent to "this statement
cannot be *proven* within this system".  (Proven true, that is.  It does turn
out to be true, but you can only prove that by expanding the logic system
somehow.  And they get around the self-reference thing by giving each
statement numbers--and we're back on topic again!)

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From: mfb@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael F. Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: why?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:46:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mfb@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael F. Booth)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ajr@aber.ac.uk (Adrian Jonathan Rixon) says:

> (Regarding the question "WHY?" in "The General":)
>It's a cheap ending to an otherwise decent episode. It marks the point
>where the writer ran out of ideas. :-)
>

	The question is "WHY?" for allegorical reasons.

	"The General" is an episode about education.  It opens by
introducing a miraculous method of learning-- no studying, just a
hypnotic treatment which prints a lecture word-for-word onto your
memory. 
	The General -- a mighty computer that knows everything -- is the
ultimate example of the System that created this "education".  Number
Six confounds the computer, however, not by asking it to repeat facts or
do calculations, but by asking it "WHY?".  The computer, knowing only
facts but nothing of what lies behind them, cannot answer questions like
this, questions that require real understanding -- so it gives up in a
rather spectacular 1960's-sci-fi fashion.

	The computer is a symbol of the sort of "modern education" that
emphasizes and rewards rote learning rather than understanding or
creative interpretation-- the sort of "modern education" that the
entire rest of the episode is about.  "WHY?" is a question designed to
indicate that such an "education" may equip one with a lot of facts, but
doesn't give you the ability to think about them, explain them, link
them or create them.  Notice that even a fairly dumb electronic
encyclopedia could answer "What?" and "Where?" and "In what manner?"
questions, but explaining "Why?" requires much more understanding.

	Anyway... this is why "The General" does not have a more
reasonable ending ("This statement is false" or something.)  Such an
ending would indeed be more realistic.  But it would fail to get the
underlying point of the entire episode across... and The Prisoner is one
of the few shows that considers symbolism to be more important than
consistency.  (Indeed, if you expect the show to be logical rather than
symbolic, the final two episodes are quite a shock to the system...) 

	Be seeing you.


	
-- 
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    (mfb@po.cwru.edu)|	 He starts to say something else and stops.
Then, turning round, he notices your house about to be knocked down,
stops trying to say things and starts."  -- Hitchhiker, "the Game" 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: vrv@cimage.com (Victor Volkman)
Subject: Any decent TP gifs anywhere?
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:59:18 GMT

>Subject line says it all: are there any good Prisoner gifs out there?
>If someone could send me info on ftp sites that have them, I'd much
>appreciate it.
>(I know about the gifs at osi.iunet.it already - only 2 b&w gifs there,
>hardly great...)
>
>Be seeing you.  

I have quite an extensive collection on the HAL 9000 BBS, almost ten megabytes
worth of high-quality images.  Most of them are between 640x480x256 and
1024x768x256 size.  I also have a few electronic issues of ONCE UPON A TIME,
the U.S. written fanzine.  Call the BBS at +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959
1200 to 14400 baud v.32bis.
From: Lawrence.A.Kim@dartmouth.edu (Lawrence A. Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: prisoner video box set in u.s.?
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:23:28 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

hi!

does anyone know if itc intends to release this video box set i'm
reading so much about in the u.s. any time soon?

thanks!

-lawrence
From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: UK Re-release of TP on ITC Video with Xtra footage
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:39:47 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <9211041134.AA23289@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk) writes:

>On Mariella Frostrup's (swoon) show last night, "Video View", she said that
>"The Prisoner" was being re-released by ITC with some extra footage.  Is
>this just the different version of "Chimes" or what?

>Does anybody know ?

To my great surprise, I actually saw this new Prisoner video in our
local Virgin yesterday (I didn't know they had plans to re-release the
series on video). I only saw Vol.1, which contains 4 (yes - 4!) episodes
on the one tape - including the 'original' version of 'Chimes' (that's
what it said...) So is this what we would call the 'alternative' version
or what?
Someone who has actually bought the thing can tell us...

BTW, the tape cost IR$15.99 - so that would probably be about 15 quid
sterling (dunno the U.S. price...)

(And if they're releasing 4 eps per tape, then what are they going
to do with Fall Out? Probably squeeze it onto the last tape, or else
have a few tapes wit only 3 eps on... I couldn't see them doing
the same con job as Channel 5 did when they released the series on
video - put Fall Out on a tape on its own, and charged the full price
for it...)

Does anyone else know more about this?

Daniel.
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From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: The Prisoner of the Sci-Fi Channel
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:30:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Originator: bill@thd.tv.tek.com

Which episode was shown on Nov. 8th?  I FORGOT TO RECORD IT!  I'm so mad at
myself.

Also, are any of the episodes available on laserdisc?

Thanks!

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How can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?
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From: imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner,rec.arts.tv.uk,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bloody Maastricht...
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:08:00 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
X-Local-Date: Thursday, 5th November 1992 at 3:07pm GMT
Originator: imc@msc9.comlab

Well I was going to post a ranting article about pre-emptions (reminds me of
QL and the US elections), but someone seems to have done it already.
However, I would still like to say

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's better! :-)

In article <720921080.26360@minster.york.ac.uk>, pete@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:

>But when it comes to 11:15pm on Channel Four it's time for The Prisoner.
>Unfortunately, we also got no Prisoner episode.... postponed until next
>week; Midnight Special on Maastricht instead. 

Yes, and what gets me is the fact that "Midnight Special" is usually on at
midnight - kind of obvious, I would have thought.  They could easily have
waited until 12.15 instead of putting it on 45 minutes early.

>Consider the fact that BBC2 had a Newsnight Special on the whole
>wretched Maastricht affair too; WHY DID CHANNEL FOUR FEEL THE NEED TO
>DO SOMETHING SIMILAR? More to the point, WHY DIDN'T THEY TELL US THEY
>WERE GOING TO MOVE THE PRISONER! The first I heard was 5 minutes before
>it was due to start. Wonderful. Totally wrecked my evening, that did.

I concur.  Completely.

And all this happened just a couple of hours after I wound the tape to my
recording of Monday's "Panorama" to find out all about what the Government
has in store for our beloved BBC - only to discover that it had mysterioulsy
changed into...  another discussion about Maastricht.  What's more, there
was absolutely no indication of what had happened to the programme that had
been cancelled.  I'll have to record future weeks' Panoramas just in case
they decide to show the one I want.

>Pete
>(so angry I walked all the way back into the office to post...)

Now why didn't I think of that? ;-)

Ian Collier
Ian.Collier@prg.ox.ac.uk | imc@ecs.ox.ac.uk
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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Bloody Maastricht...
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:45:21 GMT

pete@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
: Ok, since Channel Four don't seem to be answering the phone, I shall vent my
: spleen on these newsgroups.
: 
: Now as a good opponent of the Government, normally I would be rather 
: concerned about the Maastricht debate. The coverage for most of the day was
: very good. 
: 
: But when it comes to 11:15pm on Channel Four it's time for The Prisoner. No
: excuses, no alternatives.
: 
: Unfortunately, we also got no Prisoner episode.... postponed until next
: week; Midnight Special on Maastricht instead. 

well at least they didn't push it back 15 minutes to give jonathan woss
longer to talk to madonna without informing my video recorder :-)

: Special sympathy to everyone who programmed their videos.

not really ... means i've 1 hours less video catching up to do

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From: ewm6965@sigma.tamu.edu (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Re: why?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:34:00 GMT

In article <Bx5B8A.7AD@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, re@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Roderick Easton) writes...
>If you really want to get a super intelligent computer upset there is only one way to 
>do it:
> 
>      "I never tell the truth"
> 
>       or some comparable statement is completely illogical and cannot be
>computationally analysed in any way.
> 
>Roderick Easton
>re@dcs.ed.ac.uk

Or some comparable statement, yes.  The one you gave is false--the speaker
merely tells the truth some of the time, but not in that case.

"This statement is false" is probably what you intended.

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From: cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: why?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:15:08 GMT
	<1dpl5mINNr4e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

>>>>> On 11 Nov 92 00:46:46 GMT, mfb@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael F. Booth) said:

>> 	The computer is a symbol of the sort of "modern education" that
>> emphasizes and rewards rote learning rather than understanding or
>> creative interpretation-- the sort of "modern education" that the
>> entire rest of the episode is about.  "WHY?" is a question designed to
>> indicate that such an "education" may equip one with a lot of facts, but
>> doesn't give you the ability to think about them, explain them, link
>> them or create them.  Notice that even a fairly dumb electronic
>> encyclopedia could answer "What?" and "Where?" and "In what manner?"
>> questions, but explaining "Why?" requires much more understanding.

Compare this with certain aspects of the National Curriculum which is
gradually being introduced into British education. Crazy example... 7
year old kids will be expected to recognise classical music written by
Western European decomposing composers and know certain facts about
their lives. Production of music is to take a secondary role, 'cause
it doesn't fill their heads with enough facts, I suppose.

BTW, the National Curriculum (NC) comes from the party which claims to
reduce the influence of government on people's lives, i.e. give power
back to the people. A good NC English lesson might like to explore the
meanings of "contradiction" and "hypocrisy".

Does watching The Prisoner really make me drivel on like this...

Ceri
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From: EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Prisoner Box set in UK (Companion Video)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 07:28:04 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> From: exxtjg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T J Garratt)
> Subject: Re: Prisoner Box Set in UK
> 
> A friend told me of the "companion" video - I just wondered exactly
> what it is? Is it the documentary shown at the end of the UK channel 4
> showing in 1984?
> 
> 
> TonY

I don't know if it's the same one.  The companion video is an hour-long
American documentary in which various FAQs about the series are captioned
at the bottom of the screen and the commentator explains the answers with
some clips.  It acts as a bit of a spoiler if you haven't seen the series
before as it includes large chunks of "Fall Out" including the un-masking
bit.

Btw, the box set is very good.  All the tapes are in hard plastic cases
too, not cheapy paper sleeves like some other box sets.  I just had to
buy it - 49.99 from larger video shops.

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From: endora@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kenneth McCamish)
Subject: Re: Matt
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:35:39 GMT

In article <5791@rosie.NeXT.COM> ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae) writes:
>In article <BwsxHs.Br4@news.udel.edu> conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)  
>writes:
>> And more explicitly, before that our first sight of Matt was as he and
>> Rhonda were both drooling over the newcomer (Grant Show).  Rhonda said
>> "He's cute!" and Matt grinned delightedly and said "Yeah!"  Doesn't
>> really leave any room for doubt.
>
>No, the new guy was Mr Shue, playing Billy Campbell (retch!), and Matt's
>remark was "He's cute," followed by Rhonda's "I saw him first!"
>
>Or was that the other way 'round...? :-)
>
>--
I just subscribed.  Are you folks discussing whether or not Matt is gay?
Well, of course he is!