HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:26:50 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov


In article <1k3k6sINN3d5@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, mikeg@olympus.East.Sun.COM (Mike Grove - Federal S.E. Vienna Va.) writes:
|> If you are racing I would suggest a helmet, but for recreational skiing lets not be ridiculous.
|> Do you wear a helmet when driving to the store in your car, hell no.  But would you wear
|> a helmet if you are racing a car on a track, hell yes.  If people feel comfortable skiing with
|> a helmet go ahead and wear a helmet, but what about a lacerated juggler vein, or a cut
|> leg, or a cut arm etc.....,  Hey, how about wearing a suit of armour, yeh that's it a suit
|> of armour.   I think if you look at the statistics you'll find the odds of getting hit by a 
|> bus is better than getting a head injury from skiing. `
|> 
While this may have been true at one time, the number of head injuries from 
skiing is increasing.  On Sunday a (probably out of control) skier went into
the trees and shattered his jaw, among other things (no damage to the juggler[sic]
vein, thank goodness ;-), or he'd never make it as a circus performer!) Last
year at Santa Fe a kid did the same thing, but he died of his injuries--head
injuries.

I'm not advocating everybody skiing in helmets mind you.  Actually, both of 
these yahoos were skiing out of control when they bought it.  I think maybe
ski patrol should tighten up a bit on the "Ski out of control, lose your pass
or ticket" rule that exists most places.  If we could cut down on the number
of OOCYs (Out Of Control Yahoos), we wouldn't *need* helmets, or this discussion.
(BTW, I wear a helmet when I race Super G or Downhill, and on some GS courses,
but that's it.)

snow, snow, snow!
-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Deep slab instability in Sierra?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 01:02:55 GMT
Distribution: ca

A partner just happen to take a class and dig a Donner area pit:

Subject: dinner
|
|Hi ,
|
|So the avalanche course was fun, but the snow conditions were too
|stable.  We dug an 8' pit and found 8' of solid hard-pack snow with
|no slip planes.  We didn't dig the other 6' necessary to reach the 
|ground.  So we focused on sking.  The rains caused lots of cancellations,
|so there were two students and one instructor ( David Beck ). 
|
|Anyway, are you interested in Mexican Seafood sometime this week?  Either
|Thursday or Friday night are good for us.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Kazama Outback TMs
From: %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:05:11 -0700
Organization: BYU

In article <93019.164938ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Subject: Kazama Outback TMs
>From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
>Date: Tuesday, 19 Jan 1993 16:49:38 EST
>I am thinking of getting new skiis, and the Kazama Outback TMs have
>been offered.
>
>Any opinions? Thanks.

Last summer (yes, summer.  Skis are cheaper then.) I gave some serious 
thought to buying some Kazama OB's.  I had heard that they were the 
board of choice for both lift-based and backcountry pin heads.  I went into 
Neptune Mountaineering (Boulder, CO) one day to pick their brains on the 
subject and this is what they told me:

The Kazama line is *really* good.  But they prefer the "Asnes" line.  
Evidently some or all of the Kazama boards (and the entire Karhu line as 
well) use a foam core, which, evidently, breaks down over time.  The Asnes 
guys use a wood honecomb construction or something, which, evidently, is 
supposed to be more durable and result in a smoother running and turning 
ski.  They also recommended the old favourites, Fischer GTS's.  I have a 
firend who skis these and they are holding up great!  Lessee...Oh, yeah, 
Evoloution out of Salt Lake City is supposed to make some wicked resort-
skiing cruise missles!  I hear they're outa sight! (but, so is the 
price :-/)  Finally theres Black Diamond, used-to-be-TUA's (maybe they still 
are, don't know).  I haven't really heard much either way on these boards, 
but they can't be all bad.

I probably haven't told you anything you didn't already know; so I'll 
tell you something else you already know: go out and demo all the skis you 
can, and chew the fat with other tele guys.  It's the best way around to 
evaluate skis.  If I were to leave one final piece of advice: I'd just get 
Fischers and be safe all over the mountain.
                         _
Good Luck,              (_)      
                      __/__      Earn your Turns!
                     / /_  \
Mike.               /  \ |  \
                   ____/_|______/____/

(Hey, email me with what you wind up with and why.  I'm lookin' for some new 
boards too.  Thanks.  %MikeW@Canc.byu.edu)
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From: mason@world.std.com
Subject: Waterville prices
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:18:55 GMT

Does anyone know the mid week rates for Waterville this year?  Adult and children?


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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford)
Subject: Re: Rename rec.skiing to rec.outdoors.skiing
Organization: none whatsoever
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:53:48 GMT

In article <RIGG.93Jan25113920@valeron.che.wisc.edu> rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:

>Recently, an official RFD (Request For Discussion) was posted to
>several group suggesting that several groups be moved to the
>rec.outdoors. hierarchy which currently contains just
>rec.outdoors.fishing.

Howzabout moving rec.outdoors.fishing to rec.fishing?  It'd remove one
more damn '.' and heck, how many people fish indoors?

Scott
-- 
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stanford@leland.stanford.edu  /|   It's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
                             ((|,) It's log, it's log.
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Verbier, Switzerland - conditions in late March? 
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:15:18 GMT

In article <727941732snx@speedy.demon.co.uk>, speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate) writes:

|> Conditions Now (as in all the Alps) are bad,

For anyone skiing next week the conditions should be reasonable.  It snowed
above 1200m. on Monday in the French Alpes and Jura.  Today (Wednesday) it
was snowing above 500m. in the Jura, French Alpes and Massif Central.  Snow
was also forecast today for the Austrian Alpes.  Further snow is forecast at
the end of the week.

This is too little snow to help the lower (sub 2000m. resorts) much in France
but there should be good skiing at places like Val d'Isere, Tignes, La Plagne.

The last snow at these altitudes was on the 12/Dec, so as Jeff says the conditions are starting from bad.

David.

p.s. extra care should be taken 'off-piste' and on the lower icy slopes.
From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Info Needed: Allsop phone number
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:46:06 GMT
Organization: Live from Oakland, California


	I need to order a replacement spring for my
	*shock absorber* ski poles...anyone have the
	phone number to Allsop?

	thanks,
	rizzi
-- 
"(Ronald Reagan is) so dumb that if you put his brains in a bee,
 it would fly backwards." - Molly Ivins, Texan political columnist.
============================= rizzi@netcom.com =============================
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: glasses, goggles and FOG! please read...
From: %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:51:53 -0700
Organization: BYU

Hello again,

I posted a querey about any ideas on some good fog remedies this morning 
(1/21/93).  I said you could email me at: %MikeW@canc.byu.edu.  Well, now 
you can't.  

My local net guru says the '%' may cause some routing problems so he changed 
my address.  If you have any remedies or ideas you want to mail to me, 
please do:

Mike Wieda
MikeW@canc.byu.edu

Thanks a lot.  Moomba.
From: whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Transportation to/from Vail/Beaver Creek - Denver
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:09:04 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

Could someone provide information as to prices and means
of travel to the Beaver Creek Ski Area from Denver.

Thanks,
Harlan

e-mail whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com
From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: REPORT:  Crystal Mountain, Cascades, WA  -> Friday, 1/22/93
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:04:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Summary: 3 feet of untracked *light* Cascade cement
Keywords: Crystal





        
        Crystal Mountain Resort
        Mt. Baker - Snoqualamie National Forest
        Cascades, WA
        
        Friday, January 22, 1992
        
        Temp:          22 F at base at 9 a.m.
        Weather:       Snowing with 6" new
        Winds:         Gusting from the south at 5-20 mph
        Visibility:    Forget it
        Avalanche:     Severe, S/N Back closed
        
        Roads:    Compact  snow;  IF 4x4, then OK; ELSE, chains, a good idea
                  Folk just stopped on Blvd to chain up (I hate that)
        
        Parking:    Lot 1 was 1/2 full at 8:30 a.m.
        
        Base Depth:      75" at bottom and in Green Valley
        Lifts:      1 & 5 closed.  
        S Back:     Closed
        N Back:    Closed
        
        Crystal  was operating on generators for most of the  a.m.   Full 
        electricity  was restored by noon.  The Pudget Sound/Mt.  Rainier 
        Valley still recovering from Wednesday's deadly wind-storm  which 
        left  5 folk dead but 3-4 ft of snow on Cascades.  Probably  more 
        on Rainier.  Crystal ran no lifts to the top Wed and Thur a.m.  A 
        lot  of terrain opened for the first time on Friday a.m. with  6" 
        new.    Trees  in Right Angle easily contained 3-5 ft  of  kinda-
        light new stuff.  
        
        Snow Quality Index:  Light, but not-really-heavy, Cascade  cement 
        variety.
        
        A lift ticket cost $16 from 9am til 10 pm.  
        
        Crystal  has  lots of new snow and  with 3  low  pressure  storms 
        lined up in the Gulf to hammer the Whistler/Baker/Crystal  corri-
        dor, midweek  looks like the next *good idea*.  Storm tracks from 
        the  NW  yield snow with the lowest water content that  you  will 
        find around here.  
        
         
        
        

********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

********************************************************
From: mike@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Spuds McNelly)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing at Steamboat
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:45:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado Language Lab
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: trout.fc.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

William T. Blake (wtb@sgfb.ssd.ray.com) wrote:
: We are planning a trip to Steamboat for the week of St.
: Patricks (3/13 through 3/19).  I was wondering if anyone had
: an up to date report on Skiing conditions there, and what
: the different opinions of the place were.  Thanks in advance
: for your help....
: 

I fail to see what relevance the current conditions (mid January) have
to conditions on March 13.  Asking about conditions two months in
advance seems about as useless as asking for weather predictions two
months into the future.

Wait awhile.

--
Mike McNelly
mike@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rowlands@mpr.ca (Ira Rowlands)
Subject: U. Washington person and Whistler Ski cabin - I had wrong dates.
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:56:10 GMT

I spoke to someone from the University of Washington last night (Jan.27)
about the cabin I have for rent at Whistler Mountain but I didn't get
your name or number. I am sorry, but I made a mistake about the dates we
spoke of. It is available from March 14 - 19 and booked the previous
week. Please e-mail me or call me if you are still interesed.

Ira Rowlands  (604) 298-2057
e-mail -  rowlands@mprgate.mpr.ca 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eman@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch (Eric S. Maniloff)
Subject: Austria
Reply-To: eman@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH-Zuerich, Physical-Chemistry-Lab. - Switzerland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:53:30 GMT


I'm planning a road trip for early march, and we're currently planning to 
spend 5 days in Austria.  Has anyone out there been skiing in Austria, and
if so can you recommend any areas for skiing?  The swiss person looking over
my shoulder requires me to note that I'm from America, since no Swiss person
would ever go to Austria, admit to going to Austria, or ask advice.


Eric

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: b1hg0jv@kato.BELL-ATL.COM (Benash)
Subject: RE:New England Ski Report Wanted
Organization: Bell Atlantic
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:07:17 GMT

I'd like to thank everyone who sent along a report, and also for the
info on how to get them myself.

Ray Benash
b1hg0jv@kato.bell-atl.com

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:16:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.192954.26660@sj.nec.com>, paul@hagar.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.173344.26340@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
> >dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence) writes:
> >>            Base('')       New(24hrs)      New
> >>Taos          90              4             8 storm
> >>Purgatory     85              6            26 week
> >
> >Something's funny here - I was in Purgatory last week, and they had a ski
> >team up from Taos because (they told me) there was so little snow in Taos!
> >
> 
>   Thats because New Mexican inches seem to be smaller than the CO variety!
> 
Have you seen the spot where they measure in Taos? It's left of the top of
the Phoenix lift (the left-most lift on the mountain), on the way to Huntziger
Bowl. It's also right below Katchina Peak and in some trees. If it snows, it
will snow there. And twice at much. And it doesn't become packed powder at all.

So, 90in there means about 60in on top slopes and at most 30in (incl. snow-
making) on bottom slopes. Well, and then there are all these rocks which need
about twice the snowcover than anything else...

Frank
mueller@cs.fsu.edu
From: jenings@fc.sde.hp.com (Byron Jenings)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing at Steamboat
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:34:34 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.sde.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

William T. Blake (wtb@sgfb.ssd.ray.com) wrote:
: We are planning a trip to Steamboat for the week of St.
: Patricks (3/13 through 3/19).  I was wondering if anyone had
: an up to date report on Skiing conditions there, and what

The Colorado Snow Report                            Colorado Ski Country U.S.A.
Morning Edition                                                Denver, Colorado
                             Report Date  1/21/93
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                         |    New    |   Snow    | New Snow  |          | % of
      Colorado           |  Snowfall |   Depth   | in Prior  |   Snow   | Area
      Ski Area           |           |           |  2 Days   |Conditions| Open
                         |           |           |           |          |
                         |  6am-6am  |  6am-6am  |  6am-6am  |          |
                         |  Mid-Top  |  Mid-Top  |  Mid-Top  |          |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steamboat                |    2   2  |   58  71  |    8   8  |   powder |  100
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mmartin@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Subject: Marker MR ski brake broke off ... any ideas??
Organization: Dept. of Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:06:29 GMT

Hi.  I have some Marker MR racing bindings that are 5 or 6 years old and
I wiped out into a racing gate and broke one of the brakes completely off.
I have asked at a local ski shop and they don't have anything and don't 
think Marker will have any of these bindings or their spare parts any more.

Does anyone have any bright ideas where I might get a broken binding I could
use for parts or any other ideas??  I will just keep skiing on them in any
case, just hoped I could do something about it as the one brake on the other
side is now not as consistently popping out when needed.

Thanks a lot -- Mike Martin
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rigg@valeron.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Rename rec.skiing to rec.outdoors.skiing
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:39:20

Recently, an official RFD (Request For Discussion) was posted to
several group suggesting that several groups be moved to the
rec.outdoors. hierarchy which currently contains just
rec.outdoors.fishing.

If you have any comments about renaming this group, please post them
to news.groups.  Followups to this group and email will not be
considered.  The guidelines state that the official discussion must
take place in news.groups.

tim
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	   and by that time there was no one
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Mt. Baldy 1/19
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:17:37 GMT

>Base: Adequate  (The snow cat on top of Thunder Mt. is buried up to
>   mid windshield)
>New stuff: 6" of semi dry "powder"

A minor point here.
While one appreciates the description of 'adequate' and 'new,' a number of us
do this because we record the storm and snow history for watching avalanches,
which while "adequate" might be  cute, it tells us a little more about the
snow pack.  We aren't trying to boast or defect, we are just trying to stay
alive.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: fritz@titanic.East.Sun.COM ( SE Sun Vienna Va.)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Conditions in Zel Am See
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:34:04 -0500
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: titanic-gw.east.sun.com

I'm leaving for Zel Am See, Austria in 1 1/2 weeks.
Does anyone know the conditions there?  Good snow?
Crowds?

Thanks,

Steve

-- 
Steve Fritzinger   --  steve.fritzinger@East.Sun.COM
The First Rule of Holes:
When you're in one, stop digging.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations)
Subject: Re: Taos info wanted
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:46:00 GMT

In article <C17y11.4t@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, carlson@vauxhall.ece.cmu.edu

(stuff deleted)

>	Well Taos is for a Monday trip, but on Saturday he suggested
>we go to Los Alamos. What's the deal with that place? I'm just
>curious about the "LAB" ski hill. Any suggestions of good runs there
>or at Taos? How much base is needed to cover the rocks at top
>of Taos. (My skis took enough abuse at Breck at New Year's lack of
>snow.) 

(more stuff deleted)

As far as I know, the Pajarito Mountain ski area (aka Los Alamos ski area)
has no affiliation with Los Alamos National Laboratory.  There are, believe
it or not, other private and commercial entities in Los Alamos County, N.M.
than the lab.

Dale

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: lkibben@portal.hq.videocart.com (Laura Kibben)
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:17:14 GMT

: Greetings all,
: 
: I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.
: He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
: barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  
: 
: I just wanted to get the net.opinion on this statement.  Has anyone
: else done this and successfully recovered without surgery?
: 
: I'd appreciate any info that can be provided.
: 
: Thanks, (in pain)
: 
: Tom.
: 
Bummer.  However, if you've found a doctor who thinks he can rehabilitate 
your knee without "cutting", do whatever he says and give it a chance.  I've
had knee surgery three times, the last one being a total ACL reconstruction.
I don't know many who have gone under the knife only once (especially those
of us who won't give up our favorite sport - no, I'm not talking about sex),
so it kinda seems like once a knee patient, always a knee patient.  Stick
to your therapy!  It can do amazin' things...and you very well might be
able to get your other muscles strong enough to hold it all together (work on
those hams!)

Good luck - from my point of view you don't have much to lose by trying the
"no surgery" approach first.
-- 
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    Laura Kibben		       I think I'm lost.
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:57:16 GMT

kasha@twolf12.ee.washington.edu (Dan B. Kasha) writes:

>When I have 11,000 foot peaks, and champaign powder
>snow and no ome skiing sundays (mormons mostly go to church), and easy 
>access, well, I'm happy to drink the stuff.
>dan

Some of you people make Salt Lake sound like an Amish community of 750,000
people.  Where they all ski on Monday-Saturday then flock to the church on
Sunday.

I just wish there was a day of the week where I didn't have to dodge
out-of-state clowns standing on top of trailheads wondering how to get down.
-- 
			  Yes, I know why I am alive

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dh199020@alfred.carleton.ca (Brian Middlebro')
Subject: Nordic Ski Wax
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:54:35 GMT

If you are an avid cross country skiier, I am selling some top of the
line Alpine Ski wax.  It is imported from Japan and has very limited
distributorship.  It is costly, but very good.  If you are interested,
send me a note.

******************************
Brian Middlebro'
Carleotn University
Ottawa, Ontario
dh199020@ccs.carleton.ca