HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike@arts.com (Mike Witt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Modem Init with Hayes V-Series ULTRA Smartmodem 9600
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:46:34 PST
Organization: Computer Arts, Portland Oregon, USA


 > Also, despite having E0 in the modem set up, Waffle 1.65 cries about having
 > echo turned on.

Waffle will say "Waa" if the modem is in echo mode UNLESS it sees E1 in
the init string.  For instance, if you don't have any "E" in the init
string, and the modem DEFAULTS to echo being on, then Waffle will
say "Waa".

Of course there are two possible modem strings (at least).  One in
system\static and one in uucp\dialers.

-Mike
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Another Waffle bug?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:12:49 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:

> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>
> > dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> >
> > > I'll warrant you're not in Kansas (or your user directory), anymore!
> > 
> > Willard, how do you get these little things to happen?
> 
> I was able to reproduce Willard's result.  (In fact the "dir c:\waffle"
> command produced an error message, possibly related to the fact that on my
> system that directory contains no files, only the "\waffle\bin" directory.)
> My configuration is similar to yours, with one (important?) difference: my
> user dirs are not on the C: disk.  So the first "dir" refers to a different
> disk than does the "home".  How about your system, Willard?  Are the user
> directories on a disk other than C:?

Boy, am I confused now!  I just tried getting a directory of just about
everything I could think of.  I tried different partitions, different
physical drives and even my ramdisk.  The ramdisk failed, I think,
because I don't have G: in my disks: line.  Everything else showed the
files in the requested directory, and I never moved from my default dir.
I tried both backslashes and forward slashes.

You two have a bug that I don't?  Can't be possible!  I have my system
spread over 3 logical and 2 physical drives.  How can I cause this magic
directory shift?
--
Roy M. Silvernail --    [my machine ] "Sometimes, you're the windshield....
roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu  [my opinions]            sometimes, you're the bug!"
cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu  [my $0.0275 ]                      --Mark Knopfler
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: RE: .QWK MAIL READER FOR
From: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:07:00 GMT
Reply-To: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
Distribution: world
Organization: OUT OF SIGHT BBS, Auckland, New Zealand, 64-9-298-3805

abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes
 AA> An new product (for DOS) soon to be released is Robomail.  It 
 AA> combines the features of an offline reader with a full 
 AA> communications package. 

I take it, then, that this package is supposed to rival 1stReader from 
Sparkware?  If you've seen a beta copy of Robocomm, and you've used 
1stReader, I'd be interested in your comparisons.

Jonathan

... Monday is the root of all evil.
--- Via Silver Xpress V3.01
From: magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James Copland)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Another Waffle bug?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:00:35 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: Organium Brainbending & Low Level CodeWorks of Winnipeg, Manitoba.

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
>
> > dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> >
> > > I've got most of my Waffle stuff on my c: drive, and my news spool and
> > > user directories on my d: drive.  So, I'm logged in, and the current
> > > working directory is c:/waffle/admin.  I execute "dir d:/maps" and the
> > > current working directory is changed to d:/maps.  Is that proper behaviou
> > > I'd suggest not.
> >
> > I have the same setup, Waffle on c:, news spool and user directories
> > on d:. I did this command sequence :
> >
> > home
> > dir d:\spool
> > dir
> >
> > The final 'dir' listed the contents of my user directory.
>
> Yes, that works.  Now try this:
>
> home
> dir c:\waffle
> dir
>
> I'll warrant you're not in Kansas (or your user directory), anymore!
>
> >
> > --
> > Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
>
>
> --
> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
> gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
> emory!uumind!willard!dawson
> Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

I have the same setup, Waffle on C: News and Users on D:.  I
replicated the above sequences attempting to create an error.  It
would not happen, and I so want to be in Kansas 8-).  The "home"
displayed "/user/magus" on the next line.  The "dir c:\waffle"
displayed the directories under Waffle, and the "dir" displayed the
files in "/user/magus".  This is, to me, correct behavior.  The only
time my copy of Waffle leaves me anyplace that I think it shouldn't is
after a Files command.  This is documented in files.doc tho and thus
must be considered a "feature" and not a "bug".  I also "cd
/waffle/admin"'ed, typed "dir d:\news\comp\bbs\waffle" since I don't
have a d:\maps, which gave me a directory of my comp.bbs.waffle
messages, and then a "dir".  I was back to "/waffle/admin" and got a
list of the files there.  Perhaps this problem has some cause other
than Waffle?  I am running Waffle 1.65 on MS-DOS 5.0 on a 4.77 MHz
8088 XT system.

Regards,
Magus.

-- magus@brewhau.bison.mb.ca (James C. Copland)
-- Brew Haus -- Winnipeg, Manitoba
From: Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Setting the modem's "E" parameter
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 08:27:54 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: The Land of Garg

Tom;

The following information is exactly the type of stuff that should be
included in the system documentation on Errors. When the system gives
one an error such as "Waa" there really should be a place to look it
up, understand the impact, and decide to ignore or correct.

Bob
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bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
> mike@arts.com (Mike Witt) writes:
> > Waffle will say "Waa" if the modem is in echo mode UNLESS it sees E1 in the
> > init string.  For instance, if you don't have any "E" in the init string, 
> > and the modem DEFAULTS to echo being on, then Waffle will say "Waa".
> > 
> > Of course there are two possible modem strings (at least).  One in
> > system\static and one in uucp\dialers.
> 
> For what it's worth, things seem to be slightly more complicated than that.
> Waffle doesn't care which way the E parameter is set or which way your modem
> defaults.  But it wants to see the E parameter in the initialization string
> in order to know whether to echo characters or not.
> 
> This applies to the initialization string in SYSTEM\STATIC.  Waffle doesn't
> insist that you set the E parameter in dialer scripts.
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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle Goodies..
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:14:33 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

pdivine@unixg.ubc.ca (Patrick Divine) writes:

> Is there a program that formats a message so that all messages in a
> particular newsgroup are written under the same format?
> 
> I am in the process of setting up an alternative UUCP network around
> Vancouver, BC and the lower mainland called FISHNET, and we have a
> newsgroup called "fish.buy-sell" .. we want all of the messages posted in
> this newsgroup to have the exact same format so people won't be confused
> about what they are looking at.

I don't get what you mean here. You talking header formats or the body
of the message?

> Another project I wanted to write was a mirror program that is basicly this:
> a program looks at a specific file directory on a system and holds a
> listing of all the files in that directory.  A similiar program is run on
> a remote system and it compiles a list aswell.
> 
> then the two systems mail each other their compiled list and check for
> files which aren't contained on the other system.  they mark this down,
> and then use UUCP to send the other system the files that are missing in
> that directory.  
> 
> there could be an entire chain of BBS's like this that all hold identicle
> file systems, or if there was a system in between two systems that didn't
> want it to be mirrored, they could just have the files online temporarily
> until they get copied to the next system.

My nieghbor and I discussed doing the same thing a while back. I think
Bill Fenner set up a mailing list to discuss such file sharing systems.

> Another idea we had, was to create a small program that keeps a listing of
> all new newsgroups added.  There would be a file called "subscribe" in
> each users directory that would have a newsgroup appedned to it when a new
> newsgroup was added.  When a user logs on, it asks if they want to
> subscribe to all the newsgroups in the subscribe file, appends the
> newsgroups to the "join" file and deletes it from the "subscribe" file.

Sounds like 1.66 will have a similar feature.

--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: parser for admin/mail
Organization: Vince and Suzie's Underpowered PC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:57:05 GMT

xyzzy@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker) writes:


>Does a parser exist for the waffle/admin/mail file? I'm looking for a program
>that takes that file and produces some kind of meaningful output, perhaps
>who sent the most mail, who got the most mail, what person (offsite) was the
>most mailed to, etc, maybe with percentages and the like.

you can't do much with the admin/mail file since it doesn't log much of
what people normally want to see (pass-through, mail to/from lists, etc.)

try 'netsum.exe' available on simtel20 (and mirrors) and halcyon.com via
anonymous ftp for one example of what you can get.

-- 
     ---------- Vince Skahan --------- vince@victrola.sea.wa.us ----------
"USENET is not an obsession. It's just something I have to do all the time."
					quote from Jan'93 Unix World article
From: system@korova.freeside.com (razorback)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: linux .98
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 11:43:29 CST
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783


does anyone know if the un*x flavour of waffle is compatable with linux 
.98??

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From: chicken@jemicy.uucp (Mike Ezrine)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: 16450 uart
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 21:30:02 EST
Reply-To: chicken%jemicy.uucp@wb3ffv.ampr.org
Organization: Jemicy School

We have a 16450 UART and it is socketed.  I have heard we can replace
it.  What do we replace it with 16550a? Also I was told that one other chips
had to be replaced.  Also if anyone know a good place to get these
replacements let me know.
reply e-mail and I will sum to net.
Thanks
Cm
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: UUCICO SPEED
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:13:26 GMT

In article <yqJsVB1w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) writes:
|fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
|> v.42 has nothing to do with MNP2,3, or 4, other than that they are all error
|> correction mechanisms, and both v.42 and MNP4 strip start and stop bits.
|
|WRONG!

Ok, I was wrong; v.42 includes LAP-M and MNP 2-4 as fallback.

Why did you have to post 435 lines worth of stuff, when the key information
needed to show that I was wrong was about 10 lines worth?

  Bill
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: parser for admin/mail
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:07:34 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (Vince Skahan) writes:

| xyzzy@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker) writes:
| 
| 
| >Does a parser exist for the waffle/admin/mail file? I'm looking for a progra
| >that takes that file and produces some kind of meaningful output, perhaps
| >who sent the most mail, who got the most mail, what person (offsite) was the
| >most mailed to, etc, maybe with percentages and the like.

| try 'netsum.exe' available on simtel20 (and mirrors) and halcyon.com via
| anonymous ftp for one example of what you can get.

I wrote awk scripts to scan the logs 'mail' 'net' and 'traffic'... if you're
interested I can bundle them up into an archive with instructions, extern
files, and batch files.


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From: david@cssnet.UUCP (J. David Schronce)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Amanda?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:50:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Services

jeffa@comtch.spk.wa.us (Jeff Albrecht) writes:

> bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
> : grizbud@grizila.pillar.com (Jim Gorges) writes:
> : 
> : > Does anyone know the correct address to obtain information on "Amanda?"
> : > I thought it was "listserver@ruth.uucp" and "subscribe amanda-l" in the
> : > body of the message.  My mail was bounced back saying, "no such user!"
> : > Anybody know where I messed up?  Email, please.
> : 
> : I too have gotten bounces with that address, and have also tried to
> : contact Mr. Douthitt directly via e-mail, but got no response.
> 
> Ditto.
>  
> : Can someone post information on Amanda, and perhaps updated info on
> : addresses or contacts for where to get it?
> 
> David if you have a spare moment at least tell us to go away. Some how 
> I get the impression that we should not even know about Amanda. Is some 
> poor Beta tester being hung for his indiscretion of mentioning Amanda 
> publicly?
> 
> : "Can I have Amanda for Christmas?"
> 
> Yes please! Ohh me to David!
> 
> What fun it would be to uucp, fido (let's hope for EMSI), login, and 
> FAX on the same line(s)
> 


I have the latest AMANDA beta available for download on cssnet, and will 
keep it there unless Dave Douthitt asks me to remove it....

Login AMANDA   password AMANDA   it's in /spool/public/waffle as 
amanda.zip - a script will dump you into the FILES section.

cssnet 8N1 V.32  919/774-1485

Please leave me a note in FEEDBACK with your email address and I'll have 
Dave add you to the AMANDA mailing list so you can get future releases...


---dave---
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
|J. David Schronce     "Death Before Decaf!!"    david@cssnet.UUCP|
|Computer Support Services                            919/775-2145|
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
|          "The opinions and the company are both mine..."        |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: From NOBODY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:59:06 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!

system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:

> abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
> 
> > The problem with UPDATE.DOC is that it assumes that the user has already
> > unzipped the archive, and has already made COPIES or RENAMED some of the
> > vital 1.64 files.   I renamed many of my files with a .164 extension,
> > before I unzipped waf165.  I am glad I did; I would have lost the
> > PASSWORD file, my \waffle\extern\* files... etc.
> 
> 
> I had no problem, I just did pkunzip -d waf165.zip c:\temp
> 
> I do that every time I get a new version of something. Extract it to a
> temporary directory. In the case of Waffle, I found it worth the trouble of

I never copy anything into my waffle system before unzipping it in my temp 
area either. It's important because you never know what the archive might 
contain. It could have a file name STATIC in it and boom! Years worth of
setup gone in a split second, then I drag my backup out and no prob.

Always extract archives to a temporary area beforing putting them in action.
Check them for viruses too.

bill

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From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Very Big Waffle bug!!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:47:14 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

dennis@pete.uucp (Dennis Peterson) writes:

> I am running Norton NDOS and Norton cache but I have had No problems until
> I moved the News directory.

I'd steer clear of NDOS.  Yes, that's just a personal bias.  I have come
across an example of a commercial application that won't run at all with
NDOS... Polytron Version Control System.  I'm fairly cynical of NDOS's
chances at providing a clean environment.

> If anyone wants more details I will be glad to pass it on what I can.
> 
> Waffle 1.65
> Dos 5.0
> Norton 6.01
> C: 210 IDE Drive
> D: 100 MB SCSI on Seagate ST01 card.
> 

Which is your default shell, command.com, or ndos.whatever.they.call.it?

Has anyone had this sort of disk problems when using only MS-DOS 5.0 and
related Microsoft utilities (e.g., the latest smartdrv)?

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
emory!uumind!willard!dawson
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
From: dawson@hobbes.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: From NOBODY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:23:57 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Systems Integration

abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

>dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>
>> What I can't figure is why anyone's still using 1.64...
>
>I'll tell you why...  The update instructions are lousy.
>
>If a 1.64er has been running his board for a while, they will have
>undoubtedly customized many menus, help files, \waffle\extern\* files,
>etc...  The 1.65's "update.doc" does not give clear instructions; hence,
>a cautious 1.64er who's used to running their system reasonably
>smoothly, will take their time and not rush into 1.65.
>
>Example... Look at UPDATE.DOC under "IMPORTANT... 1."
>
>It says to run CONVPW.   What it should say FIRST is, "Unzip the
>CONVPW.EXE program from the archive ONLY, 'pkunzip -d waf165
>convpw.exe', so that you don't overwite your existing PASSWORD file!"
>(or... it should have said to rename your old PASSWORD file to
>PASSWORD.164 first!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The experienced PKUNZIP'er will know that it makes sense not to unzip a
zipfile over an existing directory.... e.g., to do something like:

				pkunzip -d waf165 newwaf\

That gives you the opportunity to explore for yourself, without relying
on Waffle or anyone else, and to find out what's been changed.  I do agree
that there could have, perhaps should have, been some batch scripts (or
executable, or whatever) to do the upgrade for you.  Indeed, after looking
at the sorts of changes suggested by the UPDATE.DOC file, I wrote my own
batch scripts to do the upgrade.  Unfortunately for the net at large,
I discarded those files.

>The problem with UPDATE.DOC is that it assumes that the user has already
>unzipped the archive, and has already made COPIES or RENAMED some of the
>vital 1.64 files.   I renamed many of my files with a .164 extension,
>before I unzipped waf165.  I am glad I did; I would have lost the
>PASSWORD file, my \waffle\extern\* files... etc.
>
>A 1.65 update is not possible with just following the steps in
>UPDATE.DOC sequentially.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Like many aspects of Waffle, here too are some rough edges.
--
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From: nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (N. Richard Caldwell)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 09:46:24 EST
Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)


kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
> N. Richard Caldwell <nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us> writes:
> 
>> Actually, now that I think about it, you don't even need that.  Wafmail
>> already does a passable job of stuffing USENET messages into QWK packets.
> 
> Passable? Wafmail locked my system up left and right. I gave up and
> took it out months ago. But particular packing software aside...

Yes, passable.  I've been using it since it's been available.  Although 
it leaves a lot to be desired, it has been servicable and my callers have 
gotten a lot of use out of the it.

>> key is getting a reader to recognize that fact and deal with it.  The
>> difference is that an intelligent QWK would be useful on just about any BBS
>> while an RNEWS newsreader would be useful only on a very limited number of
>> boards. 
> 
> Don't you mean "just about any >>DOS<< BBS"? 

No, I mean "just about any BBS."  What I'm suggesting would be
compatible with QWK doors already in service in the DOS BBS world and
others that could developed for the USENET world.  What you're suggesting
would be compatible only with "RNEWS doors" which would probably never
see the see the light of day outside the USENET world.

> I am not suggesting it
> would be easier, no. I am suggesting building readers that deal with
> RNEWS format, though. 

What would the advantage of that be?  RNEWS may be an even worse
format for offline message batches than QWK.  RNEWS doesn't allow
for the difference between mail and news and doesn't provide any of
the basic facilities for user interaction with the BBS that QWK does
(news, bulletins, new files, board id, welcome, goodbye, subscribe, 
unsubscribe).  Add to that the fact that there are currently no
true offline RNEWS readers and there will never be as many as there
are QWK readers.  No offense, but it sounds like you're talking about 
a big effort to reinvent the wheel for no good reason.  


"Don't drive too slowly."         Richard Caldwell
                                  The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)
                                  nrc@bsbbs.Columbus.OH.US
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Shroom and Waffle, mutual coexistence IS possible!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:02:19 EST
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

bcrock@happy.nuts.almanac.bc.ca (Brad Crockett) writes:
> 
> I've been looking for the same thing.  BBStevie was recommended,
> but I have not been able to get it to work remotely.  It's not
> supposed to use direct screen writes, and supposedly has the
> security you're looking for.
BBStevie works pretty well here, with this line in waffle/extern/_editors:

bbstevie /command="c:\util\bbstevie ! c:\user\%A %i"

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