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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:17:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.065024.8675@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.062018.16561@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>Soccer football is perhaps the most popular sport in the world...what
>>is wrong with advocating a format for hockey just like that of soccer.
>
>Basketball is perhaps the second most popular sport in the world...what
>is wrong with advocating a format for hockey just like that of basketball.
>

Basketball has one dominant superpower...soccer football has several...
in this respect hockey is more like soccer than basketball, and thus
marketing international hockey should perhaps take its lessons from
soccer rather than basketball.

Gerald
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:46:25 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Aug10.075853.2558@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.040303.8641@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>>
>>1.  You are grossly overestimating the amount of time needed.  Yes, the
>>    Olympics take two weeks but they are not playing hockey the whole time.
>>    As well, the current NHL commissioner is said to be negotiating with
>>    the Olympic committee to shorten the time frame over which games can
>>    be played.  The teams also do not require that much practice.  The
>>    American dream team practiced less than one week.  When the NHL 
>>    sends players over for the World championships every year, the teams
>>    are typically assembled in less than a week.
>
>The NHL doesn't need the Olympics...did the NBA need the Olympics...
>does major league baseball need the Olympics...does the NFL need the
>Olympics...does FISA (that's the international soccer organization...
>isn't it?) need the Olympics...even the IAAF has set up their own
>track-n-field championships in odd-number years.

Gerald, while I leave it up to Tery to try to penetrate your mind with
logical arguments (a hopeless task, I suspect), let me just point out that
your knowledge of international soccer is on par with your knowledge of
international hockey and other international sports events.

The name for the international soccer governing body, the most
powerful sports organization in the World, is FIFA (International
Federation of Association Football). This is, of course in the official
language of your own country: French. Thus, being as worldly as you claim
to be, you certainly know these things better than the rset of us idiots.

Out of curiosity: what French language abbreviation did you think FISA
stand for? Fedracion International Sans America? :-)

In any case, please continue your efforts in educating us the ignorant Net
members about the international sports scene and the international
anti-Canadian conspiracy that drives the rest of the World. :-)

Vlad

Employer disagrees
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Blackhawks Home Sked 92-93 (long)
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:52:29 GMT


The following is information provided by the Blackhawks front office. Enjoy!

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)

---------------------------------------

Game Date	Team	Sale Date
Sun Sep 20	Minn	Sep 8
Sun Sep 27	StL	Sep 8
Sun Oct 4	Det	Sep 8
Sun Oct 11	TB	Sep 8
Thr Oct 15	Edm	Sep 8
Sun Oct 18	Van	Sep 8
Thr Oct 22	NJ	Sep 20
Sun Oct 25	Det	Sep 27
Thr Oct 29	Phil	Oct 4
Sun Nov 1	SJ	Oct 11
Thr Nov 5	Tor	Oct 15
Sun Nov 8	Pitt	Oct 18
Thr Nov 12	StL	Oct 22
Sun Nov 15	Minn	Oct 25
Thr Dec 3	Tor	Oct 29
Sun Dec 6	Mont	Nov 1
Thr Dec 10	NYIs	Nov 5
Thr Dec 17	Winn	Nov 8
Sun Dec 20	Minn	Nov 12
Sat Dec 26	StL	Nov 15
Sun Dec 27	Det	Dec 3
Thr Dec 31	TB	Dec 6
Sun Jan 3	Winn	Dec 10
Thr Jan 7	Edm	Dec 17
Sun Jan 10	LA	Dec 20
Thr Jan 14	Minn	Dec 26
Sun Jan 17	Tor	Dec 27
Thr Jan 21	Wash	Dec 31
Sen Jan 24	Van	Jan 3
Thr Feb 11	Bos	Jan 7
Sun Feb 14	Det	Jan 10
Thr Feb 18	LA	Jan 14
Sun Feb 21*	Calg	Jan 17
Sun Feb 28	StL	Jan 21
Thr Mar 4	Que	Jan 24
Sun Mar 7*	Ott	Feb 11
Thr Mar 11	NYR	Feb 14
Sun Mar 21	TB	Feb 18
Thr Mar 25	Buf	Feb 21
Sun Mar 28	Har	Feb 28
Thr Apr 1	Det	Mar 4
Sun Apr 4	StL	Mar 7
Sun Apr 11*	TB	Mar 11
Thr Apr 15	Tor	Mar 21

All games start at 7:35 pm, except * at 1:35 pm.
Tickets go on sale at end of 1st Period except for
  Sep 8, at Noon

Tickets are available for purchase six home games in advance
of the playing date. For example, the game against St Louis
on November 12 would be available for purchase the evening
of October 22 at the Box Office and through Ticketmaster
the next morning. The best seating which remains available
is in the Mezzanine.

Tickets may be ordered two ways:

By Phone: Ticketmaster 312/559-1212. Tickets may be purchased
          with any major credit card.

By Mail : Mail a check or money order in the correct amount for
          the number of tickets desired to

		Chicago Blackhawks Hockey Team
		680 N Lake Shore Drive, 19th Floor
		Chicago, IL   60611
		Att: Don Murphy

	 Include your name and address clearly printed.
      ** Mail orders cannot be taken after January 1. The
	 mail allotment is usually filled by then and your
	 check would be returned.

[Ed. note: I don't know what the exact ticket prices are for
seats. check with TicketMaster or Blackhawks front office
312/733-5300]
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: 1994 Olympic teams?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:19:59 GMT

In article <9208130036.AA08037@booth.usask.ca> 832989@BOOTH.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
>
>>Don't forget Belfour in nets.
>
>Belfour isn't, in my eyes, a world-class goaltender.
>

After two successive playoff chokes, there is doubt he is much more
than an NHL backup goaltender.

Gerald

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: OH Anna.....
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:43:13 GMT

No, you didn't miss anything.  Here in rec.sport.hockey.off_season, we
spent a few weeks salivating over next season's biggest
disappointment, Mr. Eric (Momma's Boy) [definitely not "Mom"'s Boy
;-)] Lindros, then slid through various non-topics until recently
deciding to discuss for the umpteenth time how much hockey could be
improved by eliminating fighting and getting an American TV contract.
This is fresh and exciting in comparison.  You never know what will
come out of gln's fevered imagination.  And to think he's a proud
resident of KILL files the network over!  Too bad we can't all be
there to watch the carnage; you know how hockey fans like a good
fight! :-) Seriously, gln hasn't got a chance against Anna; this match
was over before it started.
	-Steve
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:45:18 GMT

In article <92231.38841.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Actually, my understanding of the episode was distorted because I had forgotten
>the chapter about the threatened move to Oakland.  Anyway, Baldwin hasn't
>shown himself to be someone who wants to latch on to a team and stay
>there.

Neither have you; does that make you a corporate raider?

Baldwin worked with San Jose for some time; the deal that brought the
Sharks to San Jose accomplished the goals of both Baldwin and San Jose
satisfactorily: it brought San Jose an expansion team, and it brought
Baldwin a hockey team.  The alternative was that the Gunds would move the
Stars to Oakland, and both Baldwin and San Jose would be out in the cold.
I don't see how you can claim that this is an instance of being out for a
quick buck.

In Minnesota, Baldwin needed to bring in more investors.  He brought in
Green.  He and Green did not get along.  Baldwin obviously doesn't have the
resources to buy Green out, so Green buys Baldwin out.  Again, this is not
a scenario of coming in to make a quick buck and get out. 

Since buying the Penguins, at every turn people have accused Baldwin of
wanting to liquidate the team and make a quick buck, but to date, there is
*no* evidence of this.  

>Correct.  What I meant to say is that they are certainly happy that things
>turned out as they did. 

Which says absolutely nothing about Baldwin.

 And Green was, of course, lucky.  I think part of the
>reason Baldwin such a reputation is that many thought he was trying to get a
>high price out of Green and make a quick buck.  Maybe he really intended to
>stay with the Stars and then wound up in disagreement with Green, but when
>you look at the overall resume of Howard Baldwin, that's hardly a foregone
>conclusion.

It was in the papers at the time that Baldwin and Green were in
disagreement.  

Look, Baldwin may be the worst slime on the face of the earth.  However,
there's nothing in the objective record that indicates that to date.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: Bill Torrey??
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:11:39 GMT

Bill Torrey did not fully leave the Islander organization, he is still with
them as a consultant.  But in the recent past, he has made foolish mistakes
that brought the once so almighty Isles to the team fighting for 4th in the
division...  He was reluctant to change, and reluctant to appreciate the 
talent he had.  LaFontaine is a superstar in his own right, but the Isles
management at the time did not recognize this.  BUT, the trade was successful
for both sides, as the Isles are showing a turnaround and it looks like 
Turgeon and Thomas can play together.  Maybe we'll even see the "French line"
in Turgeon, Hogue and Marois become a success.  That line is creditable to
Torrey's dealings, but we did give up alot in the trades, by letting go of
Sutter and LaFontaine, let alone Trottier two years ago.  That was the biggest
thorn in the side of the Islander management - Trottier's departure.  If you
think about it, could there have been something between Torrey and Trottier,
that Trotts didn't retire and take an office job two years ago.  He was offered
a position, but probably not as highly respected as VP of the team.  If there
was something between Torrey and Trottier, that would explain Torrey's 
losing his GM position and Trottier returning to Long Island.  (Money could
do it to...  :-) )  Now we have to see what this will do to the team.
We have Maloney as GM (once a Ranger, will he trade with the Rangers?  Nah...)
and Trotts will definately do something to help fill those seats.  Once Bossy
retires, Trotts left for Pittsburgh, you have to admit the seats were starting
to get empty.  Why?  The fans felt cheated.  Star player like Bossy, you could
not do anything about that, except trade him, but that would cheat the fans
as well.  Trottier's situation, that should not have happened.  That had to
have been the thorn in Torrey's side that stayed there until Trotts came back
to pull it out - and him out.
 
    ____
     / o n y.
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: McPhee a Star
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:06:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


The Montreal Canadiens yesterday traded winger Mike McPhee to the Minnesota
North Stars for the ever popular fifth-round draft choice in 1993. McPhee was
supposed to have been unprotected in the expansion draft, but Jacques Demers'
hiring prompted the Habs to protect McPhee. He was on his way out anyway: the
Habs influx of young wingers (Carnback, Dionne) made McPhee expendable. He
rejoins former linemate Bobby Smith and will play under former Habs captain
Bob Gainey this season--he's a talented hard working grinder; the Stars rooked
Serge Savard on this one (so what else is new?)

********************************************************************************
Patrick Emond   in place of the Odelein sig. ...
Concordia U.    FIRE SERGE SAVARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Montreal, Can.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:15:37 GMT


From: cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)

>Toronto Star, Monday August 10, 1992
>by Milt Dunnel
>
>Kordic's Death Raises Questions for NHL>

[Much Tripe Deleted ]

>     Kordic should be remembered in hockey not for what he did, but
>for what might have been done for him.  

A similar article appeared in the Globe & Mail and it is enough to
make you puke. Kordic was a cement-brained, illiterate, thug. He is
best known for sneaking up on Keith Acton, a player half his size, and
breaking Acton's nose with a slash from behind. He bitched and
complained with the Leafs that he was "only" being paied $170,000 and
wanted a big raise.

Where else, except in sports, could such a truly vile human being be
given so many chances and be paid so much for doing the same thing
that would put any normal person in jail for several years. The
problem is not that the NHL did too little for him but that they did
too much. If the NHL should be crticized, it should only be for
employing such people in the first place.

Marc Green
Trent University



Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: maillet@wrs.com (Al Maillet)
Subject: Bay Area Hockey Players wanted...
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:33:59 GMT



    We are looking for experienced ice hockey players to
    fill 4 slots on our team.

    We are entering our second year in the North American Hockey
    league.  We believe this is the highest caliber non-check
    hockey league in the Bay Area.  Many of our players are Bay 
    Area transplants who grew up skating in ice hockey mecas.
    Talent in the league varies from former NCAA Div 1 hockey 
    players down to solid local talent.  Ages range from about 18-35.

    All games are played at the Golden Gate Ice Arena
    in Redwood City, CA.  Games times are either Saturdays between
    6pm and 9pm, or Sunday mornings between 10am and 2pm.
    Current costs are 370$ for 25 games (plus playoffs). 
    We are currently recruiting sponsors in order to reduce
    the cost.

    If interested, please contact me at:


		510-814-2076 (work, email maillet@wrs.com)
		415-776-4244 (Home)

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Wind			River		Systems
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From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: RE: inline hockey FAQ
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:42:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK


Some pointers from a Texas inline hockey 'veteran':

When we play outside, we usually use an orange mylec, but it bounces too
much for inside play so there we use a Viceroy, which also weighs about
twice as much.  They are made in Canada, and I don't know where you might
get them other than a good well stocked hockey shop.  We all tend to use
the Viceroy in tournaments.

Down here, the goalies are required to where skates in tournaments, but
if it's a pickup game and I'm lazy, sometimes I'll leave them off.  I do
agree that the feet are more mobile than the wheels.  When I goalie I
usually wear a cage helmet (since I wear glasses), elbow pads, a blocker
on the right hand and a catcher's mitt in the left, a catcher's chest
protector on my chest and belly (with my Dead Wings jersey over that), a
cup and the Mylec leg pads, along with the skates.  I usually wear a 
t-shirt under the chest pad, also.  I've suited up like that twice
a week all summer down here and have lost about 10 pounds.  Most other
goalies in the Metroplex use either a large softball mitt or a regular
goalie's mitt, but I had the catcher's mitt to begin with and find that
I am used to it and can't use a regular glove very well.

If there is anyone in Norman or Oklahoma City looking for players,
give me a call, cause I don't want to go through withdrawl when I come
back to school.

marc
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: schedules, nhl.c and conflict
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:19:14 GMT
Organization: UB

Nhl.c snag:  I have a schedule for the rangers.  I have a schedule for
the Flyers.  Well, that should mean that when the Rangers schedule
says @Flyers, the Flyers one should say vs Rangers.

It did, until April 12th.  Rangers sched says there's a game.  Flyers
sched disagrees.  Can anyone out there verify if there's really a game
on that day?  I count a full 82 games on each.  HELP!!!!


Schedules obtained:
Boston home, Buffalo, Chicago home, Edmonton, Los Angeles, NY Rangers,
Ottawa, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Tampa, Toronto, Vancouver,
Washington.  


MIA:
Boston road, Calgary, Chicago road, Detroit, Hartford, Minnesota,
Montreal, New Jersey, NY Islanders, Quebec, Saint Louis, Winnipeg.


Three schedules are in so far, wish me luck.

Valerie
-- 
Valerie Hammerl               	Underemployed technical writer seeks
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu        job in North America.  Willing to 
v085pwpz@ubvms.bitnet           relocate.  Can begin any time.
These accounts expire August 24th 1992, or thereabouts.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Le Febvre (sp) a Leaf??
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:20:37 GMT

I saw today that Toronto signed Canadian free-agent Sylvian Le Febvre 
(sp) nad gave next years 3rd round pick as compensation.
 
So what kind of player is he?  I know nothing about him -- but I know
Pat Burns wants him, so what's the deal?
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:32:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.210505.16432@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
>In <BsxK58.68E.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>
>>Has the NHL ever suspended a player for drug abuse?  I'm talking any kind
>>of suspension, not just a few week suspension.
>
>Don Murdoch of the rangers was the first I remember (late 70's?) and I
>believe it was 40 games (half a season) for a little marijuana.
>
>rm
>-- 
>I believe Grant Fuhr had a drug problem for awhile and was suspended from
>playing until he cleaned up.

>Kris
>kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Long Road Trips
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:13:06 GMT

All this stuff about the Houston Astros baseball team being on their
current month-long road trip, and that fact that they're stopping by
Wrigly Field this weekend, made me think about something similar
in hockey.

Twice a year the Blackhawks go on an extended road swing because
Bill Wirtz figures it's good to let the Ice Capades and Ringling
Bros. play around in his arena to line his coffers. And this is a
yearly ritual, not only for the Hawks, but for the Bulls as well.

So I can't see what the media covering the 'Stros are bellyachin'
about.

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) Seven weeks till Opening Night...
From: dstein@charon.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:56:49 GMT
Reply-To: dstein@charon.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Distribution: na
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department

In article <1992Aug14.211757.11627@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.065024.8675@leland.Stanford.EDU>
claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug14.062018.16561@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> >
|> >>Soccer football is perhaps the most popular sport in the world...what
|> >>is wrong with advocating a format for hockey just like that of soccer.
|> >
|> >Basketball is perhaps the second most popular sport in the world...what
|> >is wrong with advocating a format for hockey just like that of basketball.
|> >
|> 
|> Basketball has one dominant superpower...soccer football has several...
|> in this respect hockey is more like soccer than basketball, and thus
|> marketing international hockey should perhaps take its lessons from
|> soccer rather than basketball.

   If USA is not counted, would basketball be the second most popular 
(collective) sport, in either the number of players or the number of
spectators?
 
   In Europe, for example, basketball is dominated by miniscule countries,
namely Croatia and Lithuania.  This would hardly be true if basketball was
truly popular throughout Europe.  I remember back home in Prague it was 
looked upon as sort of an "equal opportunity" game for very tall people 
not good enough in any other sport; also, women basketball is more popular 
then men basketball, spectator-wise--quite different situation from USA.

 - David

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: LA Kings info wanted
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:27:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

Hi y'all. Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm new to the newsgroup and I was
wondering if the LA Kings had named a head coach yet? I go to school at UCLA
and I've been up in NorCal for the summer, so I haven't heard anything about
that for a long time. Thanks in advance.

Howard
hcheng@auspex.com
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretzky comments (was Re: NHL in the Olympics)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:05:38 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <11AUG199212305561@pavo.concordia.ca> p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND) writes:
>In article <allan.713313617@swanlake>, allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes...
>>>In article <BsGow6.I28@wpi.WPI.EDU>, chrisq@encore.WPI.EDU (Christopher Vi Quaranta) writes:
>
>>There was a short article in Friday's Edmonton Journal. It gave Wayne Gretzky's
>>thoughts on using professional hockey players in the Olympics.
>> 
>>Basically, he said he would feel 'guilty'... After all, for many amature
>>atheletes, the Olympics are their chance for fame. If you had a team of
>>professionals at the Olympics (much like the US Basketball team), that team
>>would steal much of the focus; they would grab all the attention, while
>>people in other events would be ignored.
>

>What is Wayne Gretsky saying?  Does he believe that the way he has been
>playing in the last year is ANY threat at all to amateurs who might play?
>I think the amateurs could probably beat Wayne and alot of the other NHL
>players and still grab the fame they deserve!

>Kris
>GO KINGS! (And please Wayne, think about retiring soon!!)



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