From: jjohnson@convex.com (Jennifer L. Johnson)
Subject: Hunters needed
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:22:32 GMT
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Mike Linan writes:


(me)
>If Nugent believes his message "works like magic," then why does he refuse to
>participate in the FoA debate?  It's certainly not because he's going to be
>busy bowhunting that day.


>>He probably doesn't feel they are worth wasting his breath over.  You will
>>have to admit that any ARF who is fanatical enought to pay hundreds of
>>dollars to attend some political rally    	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Huh?  First, the Texas Conference for the Animals is not a political rally;
it could be more aptly called a support group.  Second, where the hell did
you get this idea about hundreds of dollars.  I registered early; it cost
a whopping $65, including meals.  At the door on the day the conference
starts, it'll cost $80 to register (for the Conference, NOT for the debate,
which is FREE).  For me $65 isn't out of line for a weekend's entertainment
plus meals.  

>>begin to listen to an opposing viewpoint.  Even though I'll bet very few of
>>them have the slightest idea of what hunting and hunters are all about but,
>>rather have a perception born of the brainwashing propaganda spread by the
>>likes of PETA and other such illminded clans.

Then show up and set us straight.  I'll bet very few of you hunters have the
slightest idea of what the animal rights movement is all about but, rather
have a perception based solely on folklore and tradition, tradition that says
"men have always hunted, so it must be okay," tradition that constipates the
progress of ideas, and causes humans to hang on to their neanderthal past as
predators.  In my book, brainwashed beats brain-absent.  "Open your mind,"
says Archie Bunker, "and someone will come along and shove alot of crap in
there." 

>So what`s the real reason we can't find even two hunters out of the bunch who
>are willing to test their views against two members of the opposition?  If the


>>First you need to realize that our views are not subject to testing.  ...

You need to realize that if you want to convince people you're right, you
must subject your views to microscopic scrutiny.  Imagine a presidential
candidate taking this stand.  "Very well, Mr. Bush.  Mr. Clinton, would you
care to share _your_ views with us...."

>leaders of the AR movement are simply disseminators of misinformation,
>wouldn't this be a wonderful opportunity for those level-headed hunters to
>give us the facts?  Or are hunters afraid to test beliefs based largely on
>tradition and myth against the well-founded arguments of Ingrid and Wayne?

>>Oh well Jennifer, you hit the nail on the head.  I'm sure I speak for all
>>hunters when I say we are just terrified at the thought of such a test 
>>with ol Ingrid and Wayne.  :-)  

If no hunter shows up at the debate, lots of folks will believe just that,
that out of all the hunters in the state of Texas (and elsewhere), not one
has the testicular fortitude to argue for the pro-hunting side.  Pretty sad.

>>But seriously, why don't you just test
>>your views and beliefs against those of Charles Manson.  Seems to be the
>>same thing to me.  Charlie, Ingrid and Wayne are all nuts IMO.

Save the juvenile rantings for your buddies, please.  

>I'll be in Austin for the Conference and for the debate, so I can post a
>followup as to whether any of those ~700 noble, level-headed hunters could
>muster the conviction and the courage to stand up to a bunch of gullible,
>Bambi-worshipping vegetarians.  My guess is that the hunters will prove
>themselves to be the cowards we AR folks suspect they are.

>>Yeah, well good Jennifer.  While you are there, think of me and the fact 
>>that I will be enjoying the natural world while hunting.  And by the way,
>>you just don't know how hurt I am that some disillusioned, out of touch
>>person has label me (as a hunter) a coward.  How can I go on?  :-)

I honestly don't know how anyone could deliberately and needlessly take the
life of an animal and "go on."  I know I couldn't.












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