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Subject: Re: computer
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:17:42 -0500

Kay Nettle <pkn@lnic1.hprc.uh.edu> asks:

 KN> My husband is going to get me a bike computer for Christmas and he
wants me
 KN> to tell him which one to buy, as long as it's a wireless one.

 Of the two wireless bicycle computers that I know of Vetta and Cateye,
Cateye
 is the immediate choice. Almost all of the catalogs have significantly
 discounted the Vetta. Vetta also has come out with a new model, but
they
 still haven't solved their main problem: an undesirable combination of
 functions.

 With the Cateye, you see your speed at all times, and you select which
other
 function you want to see; such as average speed or distance. With the
Vetta
 you have to chose between one of _their_ preselected combinations of
 functions. You can't see speed and distance at the same time. If you
want
 to see distance, then you see average speed with it.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.misc
From: shawn@grok90.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Shawn Shealy)
Subject: comfortable unicycle seat
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 00:02:14 GMT


I want a comfortable unicycle seat.  Has anyone found
a comfortable model?  (If so, where is it available
from?)


I have a basic Schwinn unicycle.  I find that I have to end
my rides due to discomfort from the seat before I get tired
and would like to be able to make longer trips.

Thanks in advance for any tips!
-shawn    :-)
From: andrea@tnds.bellcore.com (Andrea Tonoli)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: bicycle and suggestions wanted
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:39:18 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Network Data Systems Development

I'm going to buy a bicycle for me. I'm 6'3" and my weight
is 190 pounds. I would like to know if there are some tips
buying a bicycle. For example, dimensions of the wheel (is it
true that mountain bikes maximum wheel dimension is 26"),
materials, brands, average cost, ....

And, moreover, is there somebody who want to sell a used bicycle
for a reasonable price ?      

Write to me at 

	at@cc.bellcore.com

	Thanks

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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Shimano, the Company (was: XTR 8SPD and thumb shifters)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:09:42 GMT

gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:
>	My biggest complaint with Shimano lies in their cost.  Yes,
>they can produce very reasonable components.  But it seems that holds
>true only as original equipment or if you're buying an entire gruppo.
>Buying parts piecemeal (I'm thinking specifically of brakes, since the
>alternatives are so good -- Dia Compe, Scott SE, etc.) is just too
>expensive with Shimano.  
>	The new gruppos for '93 also seem to be placed on very
>expensive bikes.  No, this is not Shimano's fault.  But it still looks
>bad for them when I see $700 bikes with Altus comcomponents.
>	BTW, my 400LX have outlasted Suntour XC Pro components in

Yeah but their mid-line stuff like Ultegra and Deore DX is really good for
the price.  I think the STI shifters cost too much though.  On the other hand 
Dura-Ace and XTR is way overpriced.  How is Dura_Ace $1000 better than Ultegra?
It's not.  Then again the Campy stuff costs too much too.  Sure would be
nice if we had alternatives between the two. Suntour is cheaper but not by
much.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Shimano 105 v/s 600 Freehubs
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:04:49 GMT

RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal) writes:

>What's the difference between the Shimano 105 and the 600 freehubs
>(other than approximately $20.00 in current catalogs)?  Is there
>sufficient difference between the two grades of components to make
>the difference with the extra bucks?  BTW, in both cases I'm looking
>at the 7-speed hyperglide freehubs if that makes any difference...
>Opinions?  Alternatives?  Drop me a note if you'd like... Thanks!

I'm not an expert on Shimano hubs (but I play one on TV) but I would spend
the extra $20 for Ultegra becasue Ultegra components are gnerally lighter,
more durable and better looking than 105 (unless you like off-white paint).
Shimano has discontinued 7-speed Ultegra hubs so you may have a hard time
getting replacement parts if you need them.
-Terry
From: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: neoprene gloves?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:56:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ops.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <82440003@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brillant@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Rodney Brillantes) writes:
>
>I picked up a pair of neoprene cycling gloves that were on sale, on Christmas 
>Eve. They were not a very hot item according to the sales person.  Cost $19.95
>down from $30.  I've used them several times now, and they seem to do the
>trick.  Comfortable, warm, and they fit perfectly. 
>

I just got 2 pairs from Colorado Cyclist. The large is too large the medium
is too small - I decided to keep the large ones. I used them yesterday (45
degrees), they were great. Today (30 degrees) the tips of my fingers almost
froze. For me it $23.50 + shipping was no problem since it was a Hanukkah
gift but if you have to pay for it: I'm not sure. Earlier I bought a few
pairs from various sources but had to return all of them because they were
uncomfortable. These are very comfortable if a temperature is OK. BUT you
better buy at least three pairs: two keep drying while the third is being
used.

BTW my knee supports are all neoprene and I love them. Wetness and stickyness
is OK for the knees but not for the hands (in my case).

Paul Nevai                            pali+@osu.edu
Department of Mathematics             nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State University             nevai@ohstpy.bitnet
231 West Eighteenth Avenue            1-614-292-3317 (Office)
Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174             1-614-292-5310 (Answering Machine)
The United States of America          1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.misc
From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
Subject: Re: grocery packs?
Organization: Utilitiarian Cyclists Unite!
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:19:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.181237.16448@cbnewse.cb.att.com> pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:

>Where can I get some packs that can hold grocery bags and be attached to the
>rear racks?

Try your local bike shop -- they may have either the metal/fabric folding
baskets you saw in the Nashbar catalog or the wire folding baskets you may
have seen on other delivery /utie cyclists in your area.

Or you can do your own the quick and dirty way -- if you have a rat-trap
spring clip on the back of your rack, this is easier than you think...

Take a sturdy cardboard box -- the ones that I usually use are the kind copy
paper comes in -- an office or copy shop near you discards these at a high
rate.  These boxes are 12" x 18" and come with a separate lid.

Lift the rat trap ALL the way back and place the box on your rear rack.
The box will be wedged in between the seat and the spring clip.  Mark
the area on the box where the clip is pushing in on it.  Then cut two
horizontal slots in the box to match the protrusions on the spring clip.
If you use a box with a lid, you may need to cut the slots in the lid too.

Now you have a grocery carrier on your bike!  Just bike down to the local
supermarket and fill up your box with groceries.  The boxes with lids will
keep your groceries dry in the rain (assuming you haven't got too long
a commute) and if the rain gets your box or if it tears from the strain
of the spring clip, just get a new box.

-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: bonham@jade.ab.ca (Mike Bonham)
Subject: Re: slicks for MTB commuting
Organization: Jade Simulations International, Inc., Calgary, AB, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:32:03 GMT


>>In article <ILH.92Dec14103334@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu>
>ilh@lcs.mit.edu writes:
>>
>>I'm considering slicks for commuting on my MTB.  My commute is about
>>five miles all on roads.  My current off-road tires are slow and
>>noisy, and I don't want to wear them out on the road.  Besides,
>>traction on dry pavement isn't all that great.

>In article <7068@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
>lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk writes:

>What are these slicks like on wet roads? I have heard they are not
>that great but would prefer comment from someone that has used them.
>Living in Manchester, wet road performance is a major concern ;-(
>
>I currently ride to work on Tioga FJ Nephew, which are fairly
>restrained in the side knobbles department and don't thrum too much. I
>had considered switching to something with less rolling resistance
>though. Comments?

Farmer-John's Nephews were original equipment on my Cannondale MTB.
The centre-line overlap in the chevron tread gives them fairly low
rolling resistance.  The FJNs served me well for 3 years of commuting
my 12.5 km route year-round, and still were only half worn down when I
gave them to a friend as a more `aggressive' alternative set to her
`City Slickers' (sorry, don't remember the manufacturer).

Last summer I picked up a set of 1.5" Avocet Cross tires, which are
basically slicks with deep inverted zig-zag tread.  They're great!
After the FJNs, I really noticed a huge difference in wind noise
(no knobs thrashing the air).  They certainly do permit faster riding
on pavement.

We don't get a lot of rain here in Calgary, so I can't comment very well
on their performance in the wet, but the theory is that even pure slicks
work fine in rain.  Bicycle tires are skinny enough that they easily
displace the water and give full contact with the road.  Water-channelling
treads only become an issue with wider tires such as cars require.

In winter, I now use 2.5" Specialized Crossroads, unless ice & snow are
expected, when I switch the front to an IRC Blizzard (studded knobbies).
The Crossroads have an `X+X+X' pattern providing a reasonable centre-line
tread.  It's great having a second front wheel made up with the alternative
tire of the season.  You only really need the front because that's
where the steering/balancing is done.
-- 
  Mike Bonham        bonham@jade.ab.ca      Jade Simulations International
``Perfection is achieved, not when there is no longer anything to add, but
when there is no longer anything to take away.'' (but you should see my bike!)
From: bagbywmr@ese.ogi.edu (Bill Bagby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: 47cm TREK 1400 for sale
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:49:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47801
Distribution: rec.bicycles.marketplace,pnw.forsale,pdx.forsale
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute - Department of Env. Science and Eng.

FOR SALE - a really nifty little bike

TREK 1400 (1990 model) with some of the following features;
	-47 cm (18.5")
	-aluminum frame
	-Shimano 105 components
	-in showroom condition

I'm posting this on behalf of my wife who own's the bike.
She purchased it two years ago and subsequently found out 
that it was slightly too large for her.  Subsequently, she has 
ridden her other bike (an MTB) and this one has by and large
gotten a little dusty.  As a result it is in NEW condition.
She paid around $750.00 for it in late 1990 and she wants
$475.00 (+ shipping if needed) for it.

If you have any questions, or want to arranage a test drive,
give us a call at 503-642-3238 (eves. only please).
Or E-mail me; bagbywr@ese3.ese.ogi.edu   .

Standard disclaimers  apply. thank you.
William Bagby.
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: American Classic Hubs?
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:39:27 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I cannot comment on the American Classic hubs but I bought a set of
the skewers and would not recommend them.

The levers are very short and hard to open or close when tight.
My frame had plated horizontal rear dropouts and I could not get the
skewers tight enough to keep the rear wheel from cocking over and
rubbing the left chainstay when sprinting.  The clamping surface of
the skewer which touches the dropout is not serated like Campy's
(neither are Mavic's but they worked fine).

The skewers are probably fine for vertical dropouts but are still hard
to open and close.
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From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Nashbar sealed hubs
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:10:11 GMT

I guess I would call this a "product review".

I have been looking for new wheels for my touring bike, and since I have
an old set of Nashbar "heavy duty touring wheels", I decided to get another.

They changed the hubs.  No longer are they the easy-to-service sealed 
bearing cartridge hubs.  

They have sealed bearing cartridges in them now, but there is no way in
h--l that you will get them out.  I talked to there Technical Support and
they basically said that these aren't user-servicable.  In fact, they 
have a very hard time working with them.  One bearing cartridge is press-fit
into the hub, the other onto the axle.  Eventually, you might be able to
get the axle out.  But that is about it.  They managed to get the cartridge
off of the axle after a while, but can't get the one out of the hub (without
special tools which have been on order for 1 year).

The front axle is bigger (diameter) than normal.  It might not fit
into a standard road fork.  I have a hybrid bike and it didn't fit.
The rear axle is 130mm, and, well... You can't replace it with a
different width one.

These are the sealed bearing hubs that they sell separately as well as built
up in their heavy duty touring wheels.

Karen Walrath
MIT
From: iggy@netcom.com (John Igarashi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: LeMond frame/bike TSX for sale
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:31:21 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


	LeMond TSX frame for sale: 56 cm c-c, Yellow with
        chrome dropouts and right chainstay. Excellent
        condition, includes Mavic headset. $600 
           
        Parts for complete bike negotiable.

        (415) 927-7067 Answering machine
From: wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: DS2 replacements
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:22:39 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <C0969G.91o@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ljohnson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Lance Johnson) writes:
> wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
>>[...]I have been having problems with my Trek DS2 fork. Of course
>>they are the expected problems from a fork that is 6 months old and has some
>>hard miles on it. 
> 
> What are the expected problems? 

	The problems of seals getting old or bushings getting worn from hard
riding. I suppose you wouldn't understand that since your rigid fork seems to
hold up just fine for you. 
> 
>>Trek pulled a good one when they designed this fork. They offer no rebuilding 
>>kit for it....Trek will replace the fork for free if it is still under 
>>warranty if it should need a rebuild. The replacement fork will be one of 
>>Trek's newer versions [...] great improvement over the old DS2! 
> 
> The way I understand it rigid forks are a great improvement over the DS2s.
>
	Obviously someone who has yet to open his mind to the advantages of
suspension technology!  
>>	My Paramount developed a crack a few months ago and was replaced free
>>through Schwinn's lifetime warranty. Now I also get a new fork. 
> 
> I always wondered who would actually buy a Paramount. I also used to wonder
> who bought Trek forks. It seems that there is a tribe of folks in Kansas
> that are buying both :)

	And enjoying the edge they give us over you Huffy-ites! Not all of us
can afford $400 for a fork. 
> 
>>It surely pays to buy into companies with strong consumer backing!
> 
> Maybe if you had bought better quality (not necessarily more expensive)
> products in the first place, you might not have this problem.
> There are some good reasons why Schwinn (not Schwing) is filing for
> bankruptcy protection. Building over-priced/lower quality bicycles is just one
> them. And Trek might have learned something from other firm's outsourcing.
> As I understand it their new fork is made by Tange.

	The fact that the company was slow to react to the sudden rise in the
mountain bike market doesn't mean they lack the ability to design a solid mtb.
Obviously my investment in this "not necessarily more expensive product"  payed
of in the long run. No bike on the market today is bulletproof. I found this
out personally, but thank goodness I had the common sense to purchase my "not
necessarily more expensive product" from someone who knows about the ways we
mtb riders can thrash our bikes. 

	Ride your bike hard, HARD! Things will break, then see how your
low-cost brand's warranty backs you up!
> 
> 
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Shimano, the Company (was: XTR 8SPD and thumb shifters)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:05:47 GMT

truesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell) writes:
>I have to agree completely. I think Shimano makes very good stuff at
>decent prices. This is the root of people's whining about the company.
>If their products were crap then we wouldn't even bother discussing it
>at all. Because they are good and show generally good conception
>and design and engineering, we agonize over "forced integration" and
>other marketing-based policies.
>  --scott

It's pretty pathetic that you can't handle people disagreeing with you.  Most
of those who complain about Shimano on the net and elsewhere have very good
reasons for their complaints.  That's hardly "whining".  I guess your motto is
"Simano, love it or leave it".  We ll Shimano makes alot of really good stuff
and is responsible for some of the biggest advances in cycling equipment.
But that does not mean they are perfect.  They should still get called on it
by the consumer when they screw up.  And they have screwed up alot.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Re: grocery packs?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:56:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Dec28.181237.16448@cbnewse.cb.att.com> pwyc@cbnewse.cb.att.com (peter.w.chen) writes:
>
>Where can I get some packs that can hold grocery bags and be attached to the
>rear racks?  I saw NASHBAR had something called "Townies" that seem to be
>what I want: they are open-topped, and can be folded up when not in use.

Eclipse makes a similar product. I've seen them in Cycle Goods catalog.
They're out of MN and their phone number can be found in Bicycling
Magazine.
From: scottg@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Scott Gulland)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:34:16 GMT
Subject: Wanted Road Bike Advice !
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace

I'm in the process of buy a new road bike and would like some advice.
I would like to spend arround $500 and have found several that fit
my needs.  I'm currently considering:

	Miyata       "Nine 14"
	Diamond Back "Master TG"
	Bianchi      "Europa"

I will be primarily riding to work (26 miles round trip), touring in 
the mountains, etc.  Any advise pro/con about these or other brands
I should consider would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

Scott Gulland
scottg@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com
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From: jimw@hfglobe.intel.com (Jim Williams)
Subject: Re: Advice on Light Parts
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:29:58 GMT

mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh) writes:

>In rec.bicycles.tech, jimt@titan.sanramon.sgi.com (James M Thompson) writes:
>>iI recently purchased  the DS2 shock for my Trek 950. I 've really noticed the
>>weight
>>increase of my bike since doing this. I am no in the process of  installing
>>lighter parts
>.
>.
>.
>>and if anyone has any comments on  how to better lighten my MTB I'd appreciate
>>it.

>As far as light posts go, you might try Dirt Research, American Classic,
>or Ritchey.  I just bent my Kingsberry (nearly identical to Am. Class.)
>but I weigh 180lb and ride pretty close to the max mark of a 350mm post.
>Anyone know if any other light (and <$100) posts are likely to be any
>stronger?

I've compiled the following from published data I have found hear &  there
all weights are claimed actual from a third party (not me).

Name		Weight	Cost	Cost/Weight
EXTREEM Ti	170	$104.99 	0.62
Lightspeed Ti	183	$140.00 	0.77
Dean Ti 360mm	195	$175.00 	0.90
Syncros Ti	207	$150.00 	0.72
MRC Ti		216	$170.00 	0.79
Fast Feather	220	$71.99 		0.33
Kingsbury Ti	241	$100.00 	0.41
Sakae T C O 	290	$22.64 		0.08
Control Post	290	$39.88 		0.14
XC PRO 300mm	290	$19.99 		0.07
XT 330		296	$33.00 		0.11
Kalloy 300mm	340	$13.95 		0.04

I greatly doubt the stock sp on the TREK is less than 290g, but I've never
weighed one.

>You might be able to save some weight with lighter rims.  I just built
>up some Mavic M231 silver ($20/ea at Performance, probably all gone)
>rims which are advertised at <400 grams (I weighed them at 435).
>Spokes weigh about 1/2lb per wheel (32 14/15 ga. DT's) so if you get
>some of those composite wheels with only three spokes you'll save a
>lot of weight.  B-)

I think the MATRIX rims on the TREK mentioned above weight very little more
than these Mavics'.

>I just bought a Smoke Folding 2.1 which is supposed to be 580 grams
>but I weighed it at 660.  What do they do, weigh 'em without the beads?
>I would have bought the Dart folding at the same time but they only
>had blackwall, which I don't like.  Are there any lighter tires which
>perform as well or better than the Smoke/Dart?

YEAH I wanna know too.

>I also bought the Bontrager saddle with steel rails ($40).  This actually
>was pretty close to its advertised weight of 250 grams.  I'll let you
>know how it works after riding it a couple of weeks.

I've had the Bontrager Ti saddle for a few months, now I want another for
my other bike.

Jim Williams