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From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Tonypandy (Was: Re: US bombed Libyan civilians)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:12:24 GMT
Organization: SunSelect
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Quoth jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) (in <Bz9nEr.DxC@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>):
#
#The British have quite a few other precedents of the same ilk to call on:
#the Amritsar massacre, shooting Welsh miners at Tonypandy,
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jack, Jack, I would have thought that you would have known better than
to propogate this old chestnut.

Go and read Josephine Tey's "The Daughter of Time", in which the
mythologising of Tonypandy is cited extensively as an example of how
history is made. When I first read it (in about 1965, I think) I was
fascinated by this and wrote a paper (sorry, "essay") on the subject at
school. Even though TDoT is fiction, Josephine Tey was spot-on about
Tonypandy.

[For the record, the original request for armed troops to quell a riot
was rejected, and London bobbies armed with truncheons or rolled-up
mackintoshes were summoned. There were a few bloody noses, and a
handful of arrests. Nobody was shot.]

Geoff


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From: cabr53@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("R.A.McPheat")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why 2 types of new 10p?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:36:03 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde Computer Centre

In article <92350.132236EY28@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> EY28@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:
>Has anyone else noticed that there are two types of new 10p coin rather than
>just the one?
>
>Am I seeing things or are there two type of milling on these coins?

They made quite a lot of them with one type of milling then discovered
that blind people could recognise the other type with their fingers better
so they changed them. Why they couldn't have tried this before they made
half the coins I don't know though.
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From: idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet)
Subject: Re: Anglepoise Lamps
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham
	<IDF.92Dec15195317@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk>
	<BzBLtL.C28@apollo.hp.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:30:48 GMT

 On 15 Dec 92, John Francis wrote
> A short summary of Pixar animations:

 [deleted]

> The lamp animation is "Luxo Jr."  The summary of the plot ending above is wrong.
> (And it's not a football - it's a small inflatable beachball.  I still have one
> 0f the balls they were giving out at the SIGGRAPH party that year).

 It does get burst, though, doesn't it?  As someone says elsewhere,
the anglepoise lamp doing a double take it most anthropomorphistic

> The unicycle story is "Red's Dream" (1987)

 That's the one.

> Later works include "Tin Toy" (The first computer-generated animation to get an
> Oscar nomination).

 Is that the one with the baby and the tin soldier?  I can't recall
details of the quality of the animation but I don't hold it quite as
close to my heart as the other two.  Perhaps it's psychological, ie
inanimate objects brought to life are cartoon like and can do alsorts
of things and be ok.  A real living object, ie a baby, is much harder
to simulate and so maybe that's why it didn't seem as good.


 There is another one, possibly not by the same people, of a crystal
sphere in space half filled with water with a flock of birds in the
upper half and a school of fish in the lower.  The "eye" swoops around
with one and the other and you see the other flock through the
water/air boundary.  Not bad either.


 Things you learn when you catch an old episode of the BBC Micro on
the telly just when it covers the computer animation awards.

--
Cheers,

	Ian

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From: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Subject: Yankee behind the wheel.. {HELP!}
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:36:43 GMT


ok.....sorry to bug all of you here, but i haven't a clue
as where else to post this....


here's the story...in 11 days i'll be in England to spend
the holidays with my sweetie...


i am renting a car so we can do a bit of travelling...

BUT!!!

i am really nervous about driving about on the left hand
side of the road, using roundabouts....general stuff like
that...


can anyone give me some pointers/tips on things to
do - things to know so i don't wrap myself around a tree
within 24 hours of my arrival???


please email me at ae498@yfn.ysu.edu..


thanks.....and have a great season !   =)

Cheers,

Dawn
-- 
 ...Some day you will travel all the way from Vermont just
    to get your eyes chewed off by a dog....
 
      -- Deep Thoughts with Gleeep on A.R.
From: zoran@hertz.njit.edu (zoran siveski fac ee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Green cards
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:42:02 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec17.215840.21427@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell) writes:
>
>P.S.  Don't plan on getting your wallet stolen.  INS will treated
>YOU like the criminal.  I had to take my mom to deal with them in
>just such a situation, and up to the time she decided to become
>an American citizen (1989, about 9 years after the theft), she got 
>hassles about it.

Rather don't plan on carrying your "green card" with you (unless you
travel abroad, of course.) You are not required by the law to do it.

							Zoran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: markg@pdx820 (Mark Gonzales)
Subject: Re: Overseas Appliances
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:09:27 GMT

In article <1g9m67INNa5i@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <1g5oiaINNjbp@agate.berkeley.edu>, sandell@chowning.CNMAT.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory J. Sandell) writes:
>> I have a question.  Suppose I bring to the UK with me a US-made "power  
>> strip"...the thing that makes several outlets out of one.  If I plug in  
>> the power strip into the wall in the UK (using an adapter) are the outlets  
>> all suitable for plugging my US applicances in?  Or is there something  
>> risky about this?
>
>I assume by 'adapter' you mean a transformer to reduce the 240v to 110v?
>
>If so then it will work, the only real risk is that few such transformers
>are designed for more than about 500watts output, and having a power strip
>with 4 or 6 outlets might tempt you to plug in too many things.
>

When you get to the UK, go to any tool rental place and buy a 110/240V
isolating transformer. You can get these in ratings upto about 3kVA
(suitable for supplying about 2-3kW continous load). Cost about #70
used. They are normally used for running US made power tools off UK
sockets.  If you are using any high power appliances you will want to
arrange some form of protective grounding, since the transformer totally
isolates the 110V side from the 240V side.

I have been running my British stereo off one of these beasts, wired up
backwards, for the past 3 years without any long term problems. (At
first the transformer start-up current did cause a circuit breaker to
trip when it was plugged in, but for some reason plugging in a switch
between the transformer and the US wall socket cured this problem.  You
won't have this problem using them in the UK - otherwise no one would
bother renting them out.)

Mark
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Anglepoise Lamps
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:45:56 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:

>Someone else came up with the title - "Luxo Jr.". "Sesame Street" often 
>carries short items made by the same animators.  They serve to illustrate
>concepts like 'heavy' and 'light' (bowling ball vs. beach ball), 'light' and
>'dark' etc.  The computer animation of the lamps is impressive, but what 
>makes them stand out is the infusion of character in the objects.  You 
>haven't lived until you've seen a desk-lamp do a double-take.  (All this
>watching of kids' TV is, of course, merely part of the business of 
>bringing up of one's young children.)

Ahh..but the one's on Sesame Street are in the main stop motion animation
with real objects. What was *really* impressive about Luxor Jr. was that
it was all computer generated with ray tracing and rendering rather than
a stop motion animation film of the real thing like "The Little Guy"
sequence in Sesame Street.

...and yes, I watch Sesame Street too for the same reasons as you!!  :-)

The only problem with an otherwise excellent program is that I ended up
with a son who kept saying "zee" rather than "zed" because of a rather nifty
little alphabet tune he memorised from the program.

Oh..and 'tomaetoes' too rather than "tomahtoes"

Dave
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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:37:04 GMT

sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
        [blah blah blah cross posting complaints, original question and
various levels of reply deleted by application of Control K)
: Your children's heritage is being changed to suit the times in which
: they live.  There is nothing wrong with that.  BTW if you look up
: "golliwog" in a dictionary, you might be mildly surprised at how the
: definition reads.

COLLINS CONCISE (huh!) DICTIONARY PLUS (london & Glasgow: Collins, 1989) p530

Golliwog: n. a soft doll with a black face usuallyy made from cloth or rags	

Why's that surprising (even mildly)??	

Oh wait a mo: do you mean the etymology?	

[C19:from a doll in a series of AMerican children's books]

Details please

Richard Pennell History NUS
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:55:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Dec18.085553.24128
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <BzFBq6.BM5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

>What's that flag you see often flying over Windsor
>Castle that has the three red English lions in two 
>quarters and the Irish Harp in at least one quarter?
>Then there's Henry V's coat of arms - the lions on 
>two quarters and gold fleur-de-lis on blue on the 
>other two quarters?

The personal standard of the Monarch, in both cases.  The lions
(or, three leopards passant gardant gules) are for England, and
as you say appear in two quarters; the others hold the scots
lion (or, a lion rampant gules in trefoil contrefoil gules) and
an irish harp (and it's been so long, I can't even remember just
what this looks like).

Back when our good House of Plantagenet claimed the throne of France,
the banner was different - the second and fourth quarters bore the
lilies of france (azure, seme de lys or).  Maybe we should put them
back, if only royally to piss off M Delors.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:17756 soc.culture.australian:5190
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:29:52 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>OKOK, slamdunked by a net pedant.  Always happens.  How about,
>the UK could consider getting rid of the present parasitic
>monarchy using the same methods employed in France in 1793.
>(rats, and I just sold my shares in the tumbrel manufacturing plant)

Quite right too.  We move with the times.  Luxurious transport will be
provided by the new Toyota Carina E's now being made by the British
motor industry.

Didn't Nostradamus forecast a barren year for the Remington Razor
Company ?  Electric razors are out, flog any stock you have and
purchase shares in Wilkinson Sword.  Their ability to put a sharp edge
on a long piece of steel is going to lead to serious growth potential.
I never did like that Victor Kiam bloke anyway.

Nostradamus also forecast that the "Madame DeFarge" look would be a
killer winner in the fashion stakes next year.  Anticipate making a
packet on the Bourse by getting your shares in knitting needle
companies now.  Participate yourself as well.  Turning out a few
classic items is just the thing to keep your hands busy as you watch
the exciting events unfold on your colour TV screen.  "Revolution Red"
will be *the* colour for next year.  Remember you read it here first.

A word to the unwary: avoid street hawkers selling knives "as used by
Charlotte Corday" or "Marie Antoinette" teacakes.  They are all Secret
Policemen having a Ball testing your political purity.

... and don't forget the tricolour handkerchiefs and cravats as
    last-minute Christmas presents for your loved ones.

PS What does slamdunked mean ?  Is is descriptive of the noise
   made by the heads dropping in the basket ?
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney)
Subject: Re: game (no prizes)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:42:13 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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>Speaking as a frequent visitor to Britain, I'd say the requirements
>test for British citizenship should go something like this:

>1) . . .

>8) Justify how a nation which produced Shakespeare and Yeats could
>   produce Benny Hill. Believe your answer without your head exploding.


Er... actually, it was Ireland that produced Yeats. In fact, many of
the better authors claimed by Britain as their own are actually 
Irish. Shaw, Wilde, Swift, O'Casey, Joyce, O'Brien, &c. &c.
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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Frist you must define Yadalleeism and then context Yadallean
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:38:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.195412.4586@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>In article <38PTVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>
>>Do sit down and reconsider the word Yadallean.
>
>I have, and now think that we should have left the 'ee' in at the
>end (as above).

I always preferred "Yadallese" myself.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Royal Familly Privatization Program
Keywords: Selloffs, Privatizations.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:37:01 GMT

hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:

>In view of the longstanding ties between the USA and UK and in view of the
>inordinate amount of interest that they appear to generate in that country it
>has been decided to give that nation "first dibbs" so to speak.

   Thanks, but we already tried having a royal family with the Nixons --
palace guard in Ruritanian uniforms, crossed-swords official princess
wedding, etc. -- and look how that turned out.
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Underground sell-off?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:17:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
Distribution: world
Reply-To: martin.baines@uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: bottomdog.uk.sun.com

In article 27388@dcs.qmw.ac.uk, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
[deleted earlier thread]
>I am not sure what the "you" is here. If by "you" is meant the
>company directors, "you" are elected by the shareholders to
>work in their interest and no-one else's. If you don't pay them
>the dividends "you" are likely to find yourself chucked out and
>someone more amenable put in control. So the difference is
>immense - it's whether the thing remains in your control or
>not.

Actually quite a lot of companies never pay dividends, shareholders
benefit from increased capital values over time. For instance,
I hold quite a few shares in Sun: it has never paid a dividend
yet I still consider those shares to have been a good investment.

>You are, in any case, assuming that the money raised from
>selling shares in formerly nationalised industries goes back to
>the industry rather than simply reduces taxes.

What the process of privatisation does is *repay* the state for
the assets sold. The dividends on the shares sold at the initial
floatation replaces the interest the government paid on its
borrowings to build up the industry in the first place. The
equivalent of dividends was already being paid by the government
in the form of interest on the national debt. On priatisation
the servicing of the initial capital cost of the industry moves
from the state to the company. Once privatised, the industry then
has the option of selling more shares to raise extra capital
if it wants to.

>I cannot see why the Conservative government bothered with a
>defence policy when its privatisation policy has meant opening
>the doors to anyone to invade the country and take over vital
>parts of it. Then, I cannot see why the opposition couldn't use
>this line to knock the stuffing out of them.

Perhaps because it works both ways: capital flows in from abroad
helping our economy (e.g. the reconstruction of the british
car industry). British companies invest abroad, giving us control
of parts of their economies and hedging bets against downturns
in anyone part of the global economy. Countries that have tried
protectionist strategies have invariably ended up worse off: see
the ex-USSR for the ulitmate conclusion of this logic; also compare
the PRC before and after economic liberalisation. Free trade works
and free trade needs free movement of capital.

Martin

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From: sballant@iastate.edu (Susan Ballantine)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:15:52 GMT

In article <11555@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> sandee@vs11.scri.fsu.edu (Daan Sandee) writes:
>In article <Bz9AD4.9B8@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me why Green Cards are actually blue? Mine is. Does
>>the colour of these things have some significance? Are Green ones
>>reserved for Hispanics, Blue for Europeans etc.? 
>
>The colour appears to be dependent on age. If you see what I mean. For the
>last few years, they've been pink (mine is, and I count as a European).
>It's a long time since they were green, although everybody still uses the
>term.
>Now WHY the INS changes the colour occasionally, I don't know.
Rumour has it that it's just another way of raising more revenue. And we have 
to renew periodically now, assuring continuing income from us poor foreigners.
Incidentally, I still have my 15-year old green card, and had to make an 
emergency trip home last week--I got royally chewed out at St. Louis by the
customs officer there because I didn't have a pink one yet. All the signs at 
Immigration indicate that after July 1 1993 everyone's must be pink.
Sue
iowa state university
>Daan Sandee                                           sandee@scri.fsu.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: euamgk@eua.ericsson.se (Marina Kohnen)
Subject: Recommend a play in London
Reply-To: euamgk@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:54:17 GMT

Hi,

I will be in London between the 20th and 27th of December.

I know that a lot of theaters will be closed for Christmas, but anyway...
Can someone recommend some good play that he or she or a friend has seen?

Not a musical, something serious.  West End, or Fringe, or the National, or Barbican.

I bought a copy of Time Out here in Stckholm, but it's two weeks old.  Their 
"Critic's Choices" have already finished their run.

All suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Marina.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
Subject: Re: Yankee behind the wheel.. {HELP!}
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 09:03:41 GMT


I've rented cars in Britain several times, and only had one or two bad
moments.

The single most important thing, the thing you must remind yourself of,
is that a right turn is a wide turn. Don't try to pull into the near
lane! My wife and I turned this into a mantra "RIGHT turn WIDE turn,
LEFT turn NEAR turn!" 

Roundabouts aren't a real problem: they go clockwise and the people in
them have priority over the people entering them. If you stop when you
get to one, then emulate what the others do, you shouldn't go wrong.
One nice thing about roundabouts is, if you aren't sure which exit you
want, you can drive around and around it, looking at all the signs,
until you have made up your mind.

A couple of other things: there is no right turn on red: red means stop,
period. Also, they have things called zebra crossings. This is a crosswalk
painted with alternating black and white stripes across the road, and it
always has two blinking yellow globe lights, one on either side of the
road. For about 50 feet before and after the zebra crossing, there is
a zigzag line painted in the gutter.

AT A ZEBRA CROSSING, PEDESTRIANS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, PERIOD. If someone
steps into the street at one, you MUST stop and let them pass. Look
sharp for pedestrians about to step into the street.

That's about it. The only other thing is that you'll have to get used
to shifting with your left hand. You'll bark your knuckles on the door
two or three times before you get it right -- this is called "negative
reinforcement." The pedals are the same as in the U.S.

-- Ernest
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