HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:53:53 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

>snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello) writes:
Just out of curiosity...
Could my fellow 'netters' answer these two questions (please post)
1) how old are you ?
	20.5 y

2) could your history survive the media scrutiny required to be
elected president ?
	Well, first I don't want to be President, not even if my name
were on the ballot in all 50 states. Second, I do have a few items in my
past that probably would not make me the best President. Third, aside
from those few little indiscretions, I would look too clean to be
President (no sex, no drugs, dislike rap music -- hence "insensitivity" to
the poor and minorities). Finally I am not able to serve my country in
the army or navy as I am physically disqualified (worst vision in the
world thanks to looking at computer screens forever).
	Besides, (at the moment) I am a bachelor, and this country
hasn't had a bachelor as President for 140-odd years. Chances don't look
that good, but if I did get President, I would be the most powerful guy
available. :)

-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:33:58 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Jul21.211117.18795@cs.ucla.edu>, crosenberg@igc.org (Charlie Rosenberg) writes:
# Cuba has the most controversial program for preventing and  
# controlling AIDS in the world today. The Cuban program is the  
# world's most restrictive -- and most effective.  
#   
# The restriction: Cuban's who test positive for the HIV virus are  
# not, in general, allowed to live or even travel freely around the  
# island until they have demonstrated to a board of doctors and  
# psychologists that they have fully understood and accepted their  
# responsibility for not passing the disease on to anyone else.   
#   
# The effectiveness: To date, only 68 Cubans have died of AIDS out of  
# a population of ten million. Massive testig has so far detected only 
# 772 people positive for the HIV antibodies. Hemophiliacs and  
# newborns, devastated by the disease in other countries, have escaped  
# almost completely untouched in Cuba (2 hemophiliacs, 4 children HIV  
# positive so far).  

For all the whining the homosexual community does about wanting
the government to DO something about AIDS, the one strategy that
clearly works -- quarantine and massive testing -- is the one
strategy that is completely unacceptable to them.  How serious
are they about stopping AIDS, and preventing others from being
infected?  Clearly, not very serious, when it starts to inconvenience
them.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Subject: Re: Perot sued!!
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:09:52 GMT


As I understand it, the woman wasn't suing for money, just to get him to
run if he got on the ballot of all 50 states.  Suppose he were 'forced'
to run;  would it be a breach of promise if he didn't spend the
50-300 million dollars he is variously quoted as promising to spend
on his election?


-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
From: mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: AIDS: What the Gov't Isn't Telling You
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:52:56 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Jul30.190029.21435@cs.ucla.edu? eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
?
?	Besides if it's "The Government" why haven't we heard this from
?the French or British governments? How about the World Health
?Organization? Even the AIDS Conferences? I don't think it's responsible
?to just pin one government if the entire world is equally negligent. In
?other words, this is a great way to raise a ruckus and perhaps
?unneccessary fear about AIDS and HIV: blame the government for
?withholding information from the public and for the deaths that may
?result.
?-- 

On the other hand, it could be a conspiracy of silence on behalf of
all governments in order not to panic the masses. The last thing any
government wants is mass hysteria. 

The same reason governments don't tell the people what they know about UFOs,
nearby potentially catastrophic asteroids, ozone layer destruction, global
warming, etc.

Mike
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Vacation Time!
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:50:28 GMT

In article <Jul.17.21.34.18.1992.11817@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
>
>Well, lads and lassies, it's that time again.  In a matter of hours
>from now I will be winging my way across the ocean where I will spend
>the next few weeks far away from life's usual toils and easy access to
>USENET.  So please hold all flames directed at me until I return, just
>in time for the Republican National Convention.

There is a story from Caltech about a student who left for the week
to visit his girlfriend.  His friends got a lot of plaster, and made
his dorm room door vanish; they even installed some wiring, and put
a lamp where the door was.  When their friend returned to find
the wall, they denied knowing who he was, as sort of existentialist
prank.

Now, I ask, is there any way we can pull this off over the Usenet
with Mr. Kaldis's metaphorical dorm room?


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: MrEd@GreenAcres
Subject: Re: SuperCollider: "For" or "Against" -- Tell the Committee  @ tele...
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:52:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.172855.2163@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de  
(Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.171755.25005@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, MrEd@GreenAcres  
writes:
> 
> > |>> >|>What they aren't saying in the Dallas Morning News is that it
> |>> >|>cost about $8 billion to construct the SSC over 8 years, that
> |>> >|>it has about a 25 year projected lifespan and that it will
> |>> >|>take about a billion dollars a year to run.
> |>> >
> |>> >Thats because it's not true.
> |>> >
> |>If you don't know the figures, how can you possibly say that those
> |>provided by the previous poster were inaccurate. 
> 
> What I can say is that there is no reason why the running costs for the
> SSC should be substantialy higher than they are for HERA ZEUS and H1 and
> that these are at least three orders of magnitude less than Mr Tice's
> claim.
> 
Mr Tice's claim is $1 [us] billion = $ 10^9. per year
Three orders of magnitude less   = $ 10^6 = $1 million
(ie) You say there is no reason why the running costs of SSC should be  
substantially higher than $1 million.
Without regard to support staff, overhead, power and other utilities etc, 
suppose SSC only employed 20 scientists averaging $50,000 each.
That alone is $1 million.
If SSC is as important as claimed, I would have thought it would employ  
"significantly" more than 20 scientists. Ergo, the indirect claim (constructed  
from your statements above) that it will only cost about a million a year to  
run the SSC is patently absurd.

> I don't need top know the day of Napoleans death to know that it wasn't
> after 1945.
> 
No. But if Mr X. says he died after 1963 , and your rebuttal is "no he didn't,  
it wasn't a day after 1945", a casual observer such as myself who doesn't have  
a clue when he died isn't going to know which of you, if either, is correct. 
However, if one of you takes the trouble to provide details, which may or may  
not be true, such as saying when, where and how you think he died, the mere  
fact that you provide details suggests to a casual observer that you are better  
informed. Otherwise, the discussion becomes:
XXX is true
No it isn't
Is so
Is not
Is so
Is not. 


> 
> As for the lifespan, the purpose of the SSC is to find things out. If it
> ceases to find things out then however successful it has been it will
> get closed. 

SOME sort of projection must have been made, if only for accounting purposes 

> 
> Please don't assume that I am arguing either for or against here. I am
> merely pointing out that Mr Tice has not got his facts straight. Until
> we have agreement on what the costs are likely to be there is little
> point in arguing any further.
> 
I am not arguing for or against either here. I just wish Mr Tice would provide  
support for his claim and you would provide evidence for your rebutttal.  



Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: ronp@dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips)
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Organization: DAZIX / An Intergraph Company
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:54:21 GMT

In article <Bs3rqC.7yw@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>  2.)  A drug resistant form of TB which is 50% fatal with the best
>       current treatment and costs $100K a year to treat, anyway, 
>       is spreading rapidly, due to AIDS, and you CAN catch TB
>       by casual contact.
>
>  3.)  There is now evidence of a new form of HIV for which there is no
>       test.
>
>  4.)  HIV mutates 5 times as fast as influenze and there are 10's of
>       millions of people in the world who already have it.  Simple 
>       natural selection will always select for the most successful
>       versions of a pathogen in terms of virulence and these are the
>       perfect conditions to breed a "super" HIV, and inded this may
>       already be occurring -- strains of HIV in Africa can already
>       infect lung epithelial cells.  If a strain of some immunodeficiency
>       virus that CAN be spread by casual contact develops then we're
>       all in deep doo-doo.   Even if we just get one that's "only"
>       as hard to catch as Hepatitis B (about 10 times easier to catch
>       as HIV 1) we'll have a much bigger public health problem than
>       we do now.   
>
>  5.)  Some of us travel overseas where standards are not as high as
>       they are here.  I already avoid certain parts of the world where
>       I'd be afraid to be hospitalized because of the risk of exposure
>       to HIV.      
>

These would seem to be excellent reasons with which to support recent
proposals to increase restrictions (contact tracing, quarantine,
foreign visitors, immigration & etc.) of HIV infected people.  It still
boils down to the fact that the vast majority of HIV+ people are
incurring it through practices of high-risk individual behavior.  The
quickest way to stem the spread is through individual behavior changes.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:26:21 GMT

In article <l6ri1kINN6n5@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:

>But if you have decided your children are not yet responsible enough, to
>you support the right of the local sleeze following your child around and
>giving/selling them alcohol?  Let's say it is your 13 year old daughter.

>How do you protect your daughter from alcohol and drugs long enough for
>you to instill your values?  Have you tried raising kids yet?

God, no!  Me, a parent?  I'm much to selfish.  Imagine, some else who 
actually thought THEY were the center of the universe.

Anyway, if he is so much of a sleeze that he woould give/sell alchol to a 
thirteen year old girl, he will do it anyway, regardless of the law.
From: B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: >>  SSX  <<   ( Screw the Status Quo )
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:58:00 GMT

{talk.politics.misc, Re: = SSZ = (The Strategy of the Status Quo), 29 Jul}

hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) feigns enquiry...
|
|With Mr Tice's history of believing literaly everything he sees in print,
|perhaps he would be good enough to state if he was aware that the account
|refered to was fiction?

Was it? I thought it was satire. Thank you very much for asking though. ;^)

As to "believing what I read," the posting in which I questioned the
Dallas Morning News' cost quote certainly seemed to catch your attention.

Let me recap the points from the Senate hearings I cited before in which
the DOE detailed the SSC cost estimates:

    $8.3 billion to construct the SSC (target completion 1999)
    $910 million for the detectors (not listed by in the DMN story)
    $313 million per year operating costs following construction
     (this in constant '91 dollars, over a 25 year projected lifespan,
      also not listed by The News)

... which comes to about $17 billion if things go as expected -- in other
words a "Rosy Scenario." The DOE testimony also included contingency
estimates *much more* costly.

And why (you might ask) would I question a project which offers
opportunities directly applicable to my professional interests, and which
would supposedly benefit my colleagues, neighbors, and friends? And which
after all is only a fraction of the federal budget, (...though a notably
larger fraction of the state budget, since Texas has committed to kicking
in a billion dollars).

BECAUSE if I don't question (and check out) the pork-barrel projects in my
own backyard -- what right would I have to question the other Multi-Billion
-Dollar programs??

Which by the way are being bought with hard earned tax-dollars while other
payments drag out -- such as the S&L scam. So in addition to losing more
income to a new grunch of good ideas, (money which otherwise would be making
more money in personal investments), the American (and Texas) taxpayers
such as myself are getting clobbered on both ends.

As far as I'm concerned, until the debt problems are resolved, all those
wonderful projects like Space Station Freedom (SSF), and the Superconducting
Super Collider (SSC), and all the other projects from SSA to SSZ -- Should
Stop Now (SSX).

Maybe then, the nations brain power will see fit to help fix this idiotic
economic mess.

 /                 \     |     /  Never mind the bridge, I've got this   \
(  Stephen D. Tice  ) -- S -- (  cute little "Higgs Bosun" that was only  )
 \                 /     |     \  driven by a little ol' physicist on... /
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: When is a condom like a balloon?
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:57:29 GMT

>	Did anyone else notice the condom balloons?

I didn't see that... it would have been farrrrrr more funny
and effective at the Republican Convention!  Now that the cat
is out of the bag, it would be hard to do.


-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com                 voice 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.
	<11394@optilink.UUCP> <8101.20503@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:50:11 GMT

In article <8101.20503@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com writes:
>You know, I admire your persistence to stick to your guns in
>this BUT .... Clayton .... this *is* a human disease.  It was
>*not* brought about by the gay community. It *was* manufactured
>as a biological weapon.  So far, Dr. Lorraine Day, Dr. William
>Campbel Douglas, and Dr. Robert Strecker all concur in their
>findings as to what it's construction is, what its contagion
>vectors are and the possibility of it having *ORIGINALLY* been
>manufactured rather than spontaneously brought about by
>evolving virals factors in the monkey community of South
>Africa.

	Umm... I would be extremely interested in seeing
your references for this.  While I'm not up on the actual
literature, I'm a regular reader of the New York Times, and
I'd expect to see this there.  In lieu of this I'll say this:

	AIDS-like immune deficiency cases have been found well
before the 1980.. back to the 1950's in sailors.  It wasn't
widespread, and was by and large forgotten.  1950 was well before
genetic knowledge was close to what would be needed.

	-rj
--
Ranjan Bagchi:   Di.sigsgvirusuise                 Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: choices: was Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:29:49 GMT

In article <GOEPPING.92Jul21133102@msi-s20.msi.umn.edu> goepping@msi-s20.msi.umn.edu (Jason Goeppinger [Math]) writes:
}In article <1992Jul21.130716.28026@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}
}   }Regarding the lesser of two evils proposition used to justify support for 
}   }either Bush or Clinton, John McGlauglin used a great Mae West quotation in
}   }Friday's show:
}   }
}   }     "When it's a choice between two evils I always opt for the one I
}   }haven't tried."
}
}   Oh, THAT's a good way.  Let's see - a change can either be for the better or
}   for the worse.  There is not much evident better, but there is a LOT of room
}   worse.  Just changing would probably go downhill.  yuch.
}
}Oh, THERE's good logic.  Every change being either for the better or
}for the worse is like saying that every person is either a "good guy"
}or a "bad guy." Well, since both Clinton and Bush are bad guys I'm
}going to find a good guy to vote for-

At which time you are no longer selecting just for a change, but for some
reason.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: More Dan Quayle Stuff...
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:22:21 GMT

	I heard on "the radio" the other day
	that some people are going around on the net
	saying they heard things on the radio.

	Maybe they're suffering from LSD flashbacks.

	Maybe they're receiving signals on their fillings.

	Or maybe they're just trying to start nasty rumors.

					Gerard Vignes

-- 

                Mai, y'all hab'en lisd'nen ta d'voice ah

                         RADIO FREE LAFAYETTE
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: "American Ideals" (was: AMERICA IN DECLINE)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:15:40 GMT

In article <Bs45yB.FLx@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.230739.8170@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>
>>>  gun.   Nor is it clear what is replacing it:  Are you willing to
>>>  predict with confidence that the XSSR and eastern European nations
>>>  will maintain their little democratic and capitalist experiments?
>>>  I'm sure not.
>>
>>I *will*. I further predict that China will democratize within
>>the next 20 years.
>
>  Give me your address and I'll buy you the dinner of your choice at
>  the restaurant of your choice if Russia and Poland both are capitalistic
>  and democratic in 10 years, and did not slip into a military dictatorship
>  in the interim.

As long as short-term crises like aborted coups (France '58 or USSR '91)
don't count as slipping into military dictatorship, I'm game.
The Russian Tea Room in NYC would be apropos. :-)

>(I'll define "capitalist" as 51% or more of GDP generated
>  by private companies.  By this definition Sweden, the UK, Singapore, Japan,
>  and the US are all capitalist.  And I'll define "democratic" as having
>  the active, legal, participation of two or more political parties, both
>  of whom having representatives in the national legislative body.   I
>  know these are caricature definitions but they'll do for dinner  8-)  )

Fair enough, but your caricature regarding two-parties does make the
LDP-dominated Japan and PRI-dominated Mexico suspect.

------
Pat McGuinness
Address: "You'll know where to find me."

P.S.
I'll see your bet and raise you one ... I'm willing to bet on continued
development of China, specifically south China, in the form of 
buying, say, some Hong Kong Telecom stock.
Care to short the same stock, in anticipation of a communist crackdown
in 1997?
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
Subject: Re: Demopublican or Republicrat ?
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.160011.11244@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>In article <Brsn0p.BDK@apollo.hp.com>,
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.021646.4576@esd.dl.nec.com> mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee) writes:
>>>From article <BrrCyK.AEz@wrs.com>, by gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven):
>>>> Why is this so hard for people to understand?  NO NON-DEMOPUBLICAN WILL
>>>> WIN THE PRESIDENCY IF EVERYONE VOTES DEMOPUBLICAN!  That goes for
>>>> elections at any level, really...the very very low number of
>>>> independent, Libertarian, or any other third-party holders of partisan
>>>> offices is a testament of that.
>>
>>  This is simply wrong.   Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont is a
>>  socialist independent.
>
>However, Mr. Sanders had previously been very active in Vermont
>politics as a Democrat and had developed much name recognition as
>such prior to deciding to seek the Senate seat as an independent.
>Libertarians are not willing to pretend they're Republicrats just to
>get elected to lower office first.

... as they conclusively demonstrated with their '88 presidential candidate.

Matthias