From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL:  Kimberly
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:00:10 GMT

In article <110526@muvms3.bitnet> Diana Edgely babbles nonsensically:

>> >Don't take this the wrong way.  I am sorry that Patsy went through
>> 
>> I don't think there is more than one way to take this.
>
>Tim, Tim, Tim.  Everyone else on the net took it exactly the way I 
>intended it -- except you.  Why doesn't this surprise me?  Just the


May I please see the data to support this finding?  :-)  No Di, hate to
tell you, but I *know* I'm not the only one to have taken it that way.

>mention of anything horsey sends you off into such a hissy fit.  Take
>a deep breath Timmy.  Calm down now.  Calm... calm.... 


I'm always calm damn it!


>Tim, Tim, Tim.  Get a grip honey (don't take that the wrong way my dear
>Mad Poet.) 

Gag me.  :)


> The fact that Patsy had to take time off isn't the point here.
>The point is, she DID take that time off, she DID cause problems for the
>writers, she DID have a problem with a certain actor, 


Yes, she DID, granted.  But I think the extenuating circumstances involved
SHOULD be the point.  If one of the actors on the show was critically 
injured in a car accident, would you have a problem with him or her taking
time to recuperate?  I don't see why an emotional disaster should be looked
on so differently.  Your comment that the point should not be that Patsy
*had* to take the time is what leads me to believe you are not really sorry
for her.


>yet TPTB treat her as if she is some kind of goddess.  

They do?  Well she is a goddess :-) but I don't see her getting any 
better treatment than any of the other lead actresses.  What exactly
are you talking about here?


>Meanwhile, Mary Beth worked right through her pregnancies, didn't cause 


Good for her, she did what she could.  So did Patsy.


>problems for anyone, WANTED to stay on the show (in spite of the crappy 
>storylines) 


You have your facts all wrong here.  MB Evans left the show because she
couldn't come to terms w/ TPTB over storyline issues.  In other words,
she left the show BECAUSE of the crappy storylines.  I totally blame
TPTB for Kayla leaving, and I do miss her terribly, but it was largely 
Mary Beth's decision, albeit a wise one, to leave Days.


>and TPTB didn't appear to think twice about dumping her. 

I would say that weeks of negotiations could be considered, at the very
least, "thinking twice".  Geez, it *was* terrible what happened but let's
try to keep a grasp of reality here.  Brother.  Tomorrow you'll be trying
to tell me that they sent her to the gas chamber after her last shooting.


> I am NOT blaming Patsy for anything.  I
>am FURIOUS with TPTB for their totally inconsistant treatment of these
>two equally important (with regard to place in the show) actresses. 


Though I hate to defend TPTB, I do think it is unreasonable to go on about
their inconsistency here when we don't know many things.  Maybe Patsy is
working for less money.  Maybe Patsy was easier to please with storylines.
Maybe the storyline they have in mind just wouldn't have worked with Kayla.



>> would never say that I could handle it any better.  I think that blaming
>> Patsy for these very necessary leaves is like blaming Melissa Reeves
>> for her maternity leave now.
>
>Oh Timmy, again you misunderstand.  If anything, I respect Patsy for
>telling TPTB to get stuffed through that stupid storyline last time she
>was pregnant.  However, the facts are, the woman up and WALKED OUT WITH
>NO WARNING.  Any truly PROFESSIONAL show would have fired her.  I am sorry
>Patsy was sick, and I know she had a hard time through that pregnancy, but
>it was unprofessional behaviour.  


Welcome to the 90s Ms. Edgely.  I don't know about where you are from, 
but in this country there has been a very strong movement towards recognizing
and making allowances for personal and family problems.  Illness, maternity,
eldercare, childcare, etc. are all being looked at very differently.  Most
large companies now provide leave time, among other considerations, for 
such things.  The attitude that leaving work to handle a very real personal
or family issue as being unprofessional is insensitive, unfair and just 
downright ARCHAIC!!!  

[Apologies to all others from NZ.  Unless, of course, you agree with Diana.
Then ptooey on you too!  :) ]


>As for comparing Patsy's situation in 1989/90 to Melissa's situation now,
>there is no comparison.  Patsy walked out on the show before she was even
>showing.  Missy had been waddling around for weeks.  As did Mary Beth during
>her pregnancies.  I am afraid I cannot see the parallel.


I was comparing Patsy's most recent departure to Missy's maternity leave.
The only parallel I am striking is that both women *needed* to take a leave,
although for very different reasons.  I am just saying that I don't see how
Patsy needed to have time off any less than Missy did.


>> I agree that Kayla was wonderful, but I think you are very confused when
>> you try to argue a causal connection with her departure to Kimberly's 
>> return.  One has nothing to do with the other.  If anything Kim's 
>> return would give more reason to bring Kayla *back*.  Surely you can
>> understand this and won't make me explain it.  
>
>No no no Timmy.  Once again you don't get it!  I am not angry that Patsy
>returned.  I am angry that TPTB are obviously trying to use her return to
>make us forget what they did to Mary Beth.  


This conclusion is totally unfounded and paranoid.  You really think TPTB
are trying to manipulate your feelings about Kayla leaving?  Since Kim
has returned they have mentioned Kayla more in one show than they did when
both Brady sisters were "out of town".  


>While the two situations may
>not be directly related, just recently TPTB announced that they could 
>find no storyline to write for Kayla.  Right on the heels of this announcement
>comes the news that Patsy, whose character is of equal importance to the 
>show, is coming back to have a MAJOR storyline.  If they can write for
>one Brady girl where do they get off saying they cannot write for the 
>other?  If this isn't a HUGE slap in the face to both Mary Beth and her
>fans, what the hell else is??


Why is it so hard to understand that while two characters may be of 
equal importance, one may fit in better with the way future storylines
will be going?  For example, they could want to do stuff with Kim and
Lawrence [oh please!] that just wouldn't have been possible with Kayla.
Maybe you'll like this example better..  Maybe they want Kim to have a
meaningless affair with a total stranger.  Should they have just used
Kayla for that?  Characters may be equally important, but that doesn't
make them interchangeable.


>Poor Timmy.  I am getting truly worried about this obcession you have with 
>Patsy.  Is Susan around when you watch Patsy episodes?? :)


Not usually.  She doesn't like her much either.  But then again, she hates
just about everyone on the show.  Except for Vivian and Larry.


>> >months.  This whole "stud" thing is pretty tasteless IMO.  I like to 
>> >KNOW a character, not just be presented with a body.  But I guess I
>> 
>> Hmmm, after a certain encounter I can think of, I wouldn't be too sure
>> about that with you!  :-)
>
>Whatever do you mean???  Care to elucidate?  8-)


Ummm, let's see.  Nah, it's too easy.  :-)


>> >You know (I know, I know, you wish I'd shut the hell up.  Sorry, I'm 
>>  
>>                   No comment.  :)
>
>How wise of you.


That's me!  :-)


>Timmy, Timmy.  Sticks and stones.  I know you're still upset because I'm
>the only net-woman who hasn't been so much as tempted to join your harem.


Oh really.  Should I go through my archives to find a little conversation
we once had about a cucumber?  Didn't think so.


>> Uh oh, a studio storming without me?  I may have to go and stand guard
>> at Patsy's dressing room.  I don't want her to be swept away in the coup!
>
>No problem Tim-Tom.  We're only storming the studio, not the stables.


Yeah, the stables are where you'll be eating lunch, huh?  :-)  [not you
Coleen! ]  


>Kix

Tim  [shall I hide now?]
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