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From: bagel@vpnet.chi.il.us (marcia goldstein)
Subject: Anyone at IBM in Po'town?
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:44:04 GMT

Schillinger (rz34@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:

: Anyway, I'm looking to get in contact with my family there over the
: net.  They'd really think it was neat.  Actually, Dad works for IBM
: (what else does anyone do in P'keepsie?), but he says he doesn't have
: access to this net.  Does anyone there know of a way he COULD access
: it from IBM? or better yet, how I could find him and send him a message?

  I know that at least *some* people at IBM there have net access, because
  I've seen postings from there.  I think the email address is @watson.com,
  but I'm not sure.  I'd love to get in touch with someone there, too,
  because I have an old friend who works for IBM at that location who I'd
  love to be able to contact through the net.

  Anyone reading this who works for IBM who could supply the correct
  email address?

Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
From: brent@ssd.csd.harris.com (Brent Benson)
Subject: Re: I'd Rather be in Rochester
Organization: Harris Computer Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:26:59 GMT

eugenehs@girtab.usc.edu (HEUGE aka Eugene Hsu) writes:

> I can't wait to be done with finals and back at home in Pittsford.
> Rochester, NY is considered upstate NY I hope and I would like to
> say that I love it.  It's a boring place at times, but it is a great
> place to have a family and raise children.

I spent five years at the University of Rochester (85-90) and loved
it.  For its size, Rochester has an incredible amount going on
culturally.  Concerts at the Eastman School of Music, exhibits at any
one of several great museums, the beautiful parks.  I'm a real big fan
of upstate New York in general and Rochester in particular.

--
Brent Benson                     
Harris Computer Systems
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From: tchau@athena.mit.edu (Terry Chau)
Subject: Re: Moving to Fishkill
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:30:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.170629.7813@netcom.com>, mainkar@netcom.com (Varsha Mainkar) writes:
|> 
|>  Hi! I am absolutely thrilled to see this newsgroup. I am moving to Fishkill,
|> NY (where else?) in January 93. Since I have spent my first 3 years in the 
|> U.S.A in Durham (DukeLand), it's not like I am used to big-city-life anyway.
|> But what does one do for "culture" in that area? (Except rushing to NYC every 
|> weekend). 
|>  Fishkill's near Poughkepsei (sp?).
|> 
|>  Oh yes, how does one pronounce "Poughkiepsei"?
|> 
|> -Varsha
|> 


How to say Poughkeepsie...

PO KIP SEE

^
long o

There should be more things to do in the Hudson-Valley region than from where I
live (Liberty, Sullivan County).   I know there's
the Mid-Hudson Valley Philharmonic (my violin teacher's the concertmaster).  And I
know there is a lot of camping hiking and biking and rock climbing around
 that cliff west of New Paltz.  There's also a Galleria and a South Hills mall
 between 
Poughkeepsie and Wappinger Falls.  And there is a place where they sell great
apples on Route 299 about 3 miles west of New Paltz.

I'm not sure if the thing above helps, but if you look around hard enough, you'll
probably find something to do.  It also depends what things you like to do, too.

-- Chau


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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Genesee Cream Ale
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:05:23 GMT

Just thought I'd see what kind of memories that subject brings up ...

--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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From: redman@selway.umt.edu (Punya J. Pussilanimuss)
Subject: A homesick Montanan seeks news about what's going on back there.
Keywords: HOMESICK
Organization: University of Montana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:07:11 GMT

When I did my other post I was rushed, and when I came back today I
was delighted to see all the postings.  There were just a few things I
wanted to clarify.  Or add.

#1.  Why did someone have to mention Buffalo wings.  How I miss them.

#2.  When I was getting on the plane to come out here someone's kid
said "Mommy, what state is Montana in?"

#3.  When I got out here and told people that I came from New York,
they automatically assumed that I meant NYC.  Not just here either.
It seems to be the automatic assumtion everywhere I go(TX, Washinton,
Oregon, Idaho, Ohio, especially CA).  When I tell them I lived in
Kingston, every single person goes "Oh, upstate."  After a while I
just started saying "Kingston.  It's upstate.  Non-New Yorkers assume
that anything not NYC or a directly associated suburb is upstate.

#4.  Karl Schultz I wanted to ask if you know a Mark or Bob or Aaron
but I just started doing this fun net stuff last week and haven't
quite figured out e-mail enough to have any actually get where it's
going.  Yet!  drop me a line.

Homesick,
	Punya!
		redman@selway.umt.edu

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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Would you consider Kingston Upstate
Keywords: Kingston
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:33:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.125647.7396@nosc.mil> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
>Nope, absolutely nothing south of the Governor Thomas E. Dewey Thruway is
>'Upstate'.  Oh, forget the 'San Diego' address... I'm a Roman.
>
>Walt K.

Well, actually, the Gov. Dewey Thruway turns *south* at Albany, and runs to
NYC (Interstate 87).  It's only Interstate 90 from Ripley (at the PA border)
to Albany (plus the Berkshire Extension that runs to the Mass Pike).

-Jeremy Hall
-Native of Syracuse, NY
jdh@math.psu.edu
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From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Chatham, Manhattan, Upstate, and Winter's Tale
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:57:55 GMT


Greetings,

   I'm a native born Manhattanite (I differentiate myself from those of the
B&T set who think they are true New Yorkers AND give you nice upstaters such
a bad impression of us!) who LOVES upstate as well!  I used
to go camping every year in the Chatham area.  Just love it up there!  Probably
will retire there (well, maybe not for four decades or so!).
I'd love to hear more discussion about upstate!
Question - in the "Winter's Tale" by Mark Helprin, just which town did he have
in mind which (I forget his name for it) you could only find at certain times if
you weren't a native?  It was near the Hudson...

My two cents worth...


					Bohdan



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From: Costanza@world.std.com (Peter Costanza)
Subject: Ithaca
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:49:33 GMT

     Ithaca is real special, and its politics are a good part of why.
For all the beauty of most of Upstate, it is that sad Republican
ignorance that deprives it of potential.  Ithaca's mayor is a
socialist.  He's a decent guy, a retired engineering professor from
Cornell (so much for the stereotype of technical types as all conservatives).
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: I'd Rather be in Rochester
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:36:55 GMT

Brent Benson writes:
> For its size, Rochester has an incredible amount going on culturally.

And *because* of its size, you can get at the culture.
(Try finding parking in SF sometime, or taking BART home
after midnight).  Rochester's accessible.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: gross@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Walter Douglas Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: i like new york state because...
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:32:00 GMT
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

.. because it is the only state shaped like a car's transmission.
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From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Upstate Keeps Moving
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.214705.14250@spectrum.xerox.com> houston@eso.mc.xerox.com writes:
}
}But go north of Lake Ontario (at least over as far as Amsterdam)
}-further north as you go east toward the tri cities-and that's *North
}Country*; a very special part of upstate.  These people hate
}(or at least barely tolerate) tourists, the ADK, DEC, BMWs,
}and lord knows what else.  It's a nice place to backpack
}tho...

That's funny, my Mom's from Lewis County, and we've always called it "Upstate."
When I go to visit, I hear it called "North Country," but...

Backpack?  If you can make it through the underbrush, which I've always
found very thick.  My mother had a terrible time with the late movie of
Last of the Mohicans, as it was supposed to be set in her native area,
and since it was filmed in West Virginia (I believe) there were all these
rhododendrons and little enough underbrush that running through the forest
was actualy possible!  Not on Tug Hill, that's for sure!

Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire
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From: tchau@athena.mit.edu (Terry Chau)
Subject: Anyone?
Keywords: Liberty, Sullivan
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:33:00 GMT

Hi!  I'm from Liberty, NY -- cultural center of the UNIVERSE!!!  (my foot)

Curious, but anyone out there who lives around Sullivan County?


-- Chau
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From: dennett@cyclone.Kodak.COM (Charles R. Dennett)
Subject: Re: Best Rochester Restaurants?
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:39:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.183307.6238@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Some suggestions for Rochester restruants...
>DAisy Four Mill, quiet, good food, some interesting specials...
>Offered non-Irondiquoit road kill venison.
>

My wife and I enjoy Richardson's Canal House in Bushnell's Basin.  It's
a fixed price menu.  I believe it is 30 or 35 dollars per person and
that includes salad, appitizer, entree and dessert.  May include soup,
too.  I don't recall.  When we were there in Sept, the fresh game menu
item was antelope.  (No, I didn't try it.)

We also enjoy the Spring House, although I must admit we haven't been
there is a couple of years.

Any other good seafood restaraunts besides Jonathan's?

Charles Dennett          | Rochester Distributed Computer Services
Mail Stop 01925          |   Customer Technical Support Services
Eastman Kodak Company    | ---------------------------------------
Rochester, NY 14650-1925 |       Internet: dennett@Kodak.COM
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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Talking Proud!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 08:44:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.103257.7461@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>In a recent missive dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) tells us:
>>
>>What I miss about Buffalo, in no particular order ... 
>>
>>* 97 Rock, even if most of the music is from dead white guys.
>
>I dunno...I kinda miss 103 PHD, and Taylor and Moore
>

I was really partial to the short-lived WUWU 107.7 ...  Wooooo Wooooo
Turn to the top of your dial and ... rip the knob off!

(They began on the air by playing 24 straight hrs of "Psycho Chicken")
You could come home after the bars and hear strange and spacey things
from DJ Gary Storm (where did he go???) like the entire side of Tubular
Bells, or some Tangerine Dream or Hawkwind ... mind blowing if you were
still too buzzed to sleep. Esp. through headphones so as not to wake up
my parents or brother (like they didn't here me already).

>>* Hundreds of Greek restaurants with two tables and three stools, most open 24  
>>hours a day.
>
>
>And let's not forget the Towne Restaurant..on the corner of Elmwood
>and...and...darn..one block towards downtown from North.
>
>

Wasn't that the place near Nardin Academy?

Any bar hoppers remember Grafitti's? 
And what was the place where they spun the wheel for Freddy's Specials?





-- 
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA
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From: mike@donut.endicott.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Anyone at IBM in Po'town?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:04:08 GMT
Reply-To: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM FSC Owego

In article <1992Dec17.174404.26130@vpnet.chi.il.us>,
bagel@vpnet.chi.il.us (marcia goldstein) writes:
|> Schillinger (rz34@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
|> 
|> : Anyway, I'm looking to get in contact with my family there over the
|> : net.  They'd really think it was neat.  Actually, Dad works for IBM
|> : (what else does anyone do in P'keepsie?), but he says he doesn't have
|> : access to this net.  Does anyone there know of a way he COULD access
|> : it from IBM? or better yet, how I could find him and send him a message?
|> 
|>   I know that at least *some* people at IBM there have net access, because
|>   I've seen postings from there.  I think the email address is @watson.com,
|>   but I'm not sure.  I'd love to get in touch with someone there, too,
|>   because I have an old friend who works for IBM at that location who I'd
|>   love to be able to contact through the net.
|> 
|>   Anyone reading this who works for IBM who could supply the correct
|>   email address?
|> 
Your father has to register internally to IBM (no big deal)
then he will have access *.*.vnet.ibm.com

Mike                              __  __o         / "Everythin's IMHO,
Kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com       __   \<,        /    irrespective of my
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    ______()/ ()______/      employer's"
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: Buffalo life?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:52:02 GMT

f3w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mark Gellis) writes:

: I've got an interview coming up for a job in the Buffalo area.  Any
: comments on what this city and the surrounding area is like?  Suggestions
: or comments on various suburbs (i.e., places to live or avoid), things
: to do for fun (besides the Falls), and so on.  Thanks!

I'm a bit biased, being born and raised in Buffalo, but I've been to a lot of  
other cities and I believe the quality of life in Buffalo is one of the best in  
the country.  At first, it puts on a gritty fact to visitors, but when you pull  
off the expressways and really explore the city, it's very inviting.

If you're planning on moving there and you're part of the twentysomething  
generation, take a look at the Elmwood Avenue area between Downtown / Allentown  
and Buffalo State College.  Elmwood is one of the centers of Buffalo's  
nightlife, and the neighborhoods that are adjacent to "The Strip" are  
considered prime places for young people to live.  Rents vary depending on  
whether the part of the neighborhood is historic or not, if parking is  
provided, if the building is a two-flat or a high rise, and so on, but for a  
one bedroom apartment they usually range from $350 to $800.  Other nice older  
(pre-WWII) areas with lots of young people are North Buffalo, the University  
Heights area and the inner suburb of Kenmore.  

Most housing in the City dates back to before WWII.  Most apartments are either  
"two flats", "three flats", or mid rise buildings similar to those you'd  
probably see in Chicago.  In the suburbs, most apartments are side-by-side  
duplexes or small apartment complexes.  Large apartment complexes are somewhat  
uncommon.  Generally, the fewer units in a building, the lower the rent.

As far as suburbs go, Tonawanda is nice ... it's relatively inexpensive,  
there's a wide variety of housing types, it's clean, and it has had time to  
develop some character since the town nearly hit buildout in the 1960s.   
Tonawanda has a reputation as an industrial town, but the indistry is well  
buffered from the residential areas, which are solidly middle class.   
Amherst/Williamsvile is nice, but it's very expensive and quite far from  
Downtown.  Avoid Cheektowaga.  It's ugly, commercial and the whole town has  
been in a perpetual traffic jam since they opened the Walden Galleria.  Having  
grown up in the Northtowns, I'm not an a position to judge the merits of the  
Southtowns (Lackawanna, West Seneca, Hamburg, Orchard Park, Blasdell, Elma),  
but I like Orchard Park.


--
   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
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From: cjd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher J de Zorzi)
Subject: Re: FIRST POST!!!
Reply-To: cjd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher J de Zorzi)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:06:06 GMT



UGGGGHHHHH!   Alt.culture.long-island is too scary to contemplate.....



			*runs off and begins to wretch*

		I had the misfortune of growing up there, bufully I no
longer reside there.....


		...hope the darn Island sinks into the sea someday SOON...


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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: UpState New York?
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:55:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.192213.3142@gvl.unisys.com> ean@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Naratil) writes:

>My idea of 'UpState' New York is Holland Patent and Barneveld.
>Great in the summer and great in the winter.  If you're in the
>area check out the Hotel Moore and Van's Tavern in Barneveld.
>(In the old days Barneveld was named Trenton.  Too much con-
>fusion over Trenton, NJ and Trenton, NY.)

actually, Barneveld is a village within the Town of Trenton...
so there still exists Trenton, NY...

>Get there via Route 365 North from Rome - or Route 12 North 
>from Utica.

minor nit -- NYS Rte 365 runs East-West (it has to, since it is the 'boundary'
between 'Northern-zone-hunting' and 'Southern-zone-hunting')...  Obviously, you
meant '... 365 *East* from Rome ...'


Walt K.
-- militant Roman

>Ed Naratil                                     (All standard disclaimers apply)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 09:51:17 EST
From: World Leader <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: WANNA START A BAND?

Moving to the Rochester area on Dec. 24th.
Any bands/musicians in need of a lead singer?
E-Mail me!!!

--Andi
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From: mainkar@netcom.com (Varsha Mainkar)
Subject: Moving to Fishkill
Summary: What does one do there?
Organization: Duke University, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:06:29 GMT


 Hi! I am absolutely thrilled to see this newsgroup. I am moving to Fishkill,
NY (where else?) in January 93. Since I have spent my first 3 years in the 
U.S.A in Durham (DukeLand), it's not like I am used to big-city-life anyway.
But what does one do for "culture" in that area? (Except rushing to NYC every 
weekend). 
 Fishkill's near Poughkepsei (sp?).

 Oh yes, how does one pronounce "Poughkiepsei"?

-Varsha
From: lewis@b56vxg.kodak.com (Ken Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Great New Group
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: lewis@kodak.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1gqrecINNgse@agate.berkeley.edu>, ddgarcia@coons.berkeley.edu (Dan Garcia) writes...
>rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) writes:
>|> jerry@ee.rochester.edu (Jerry Seward) writes:
>|> >marnie@ajax.mitre.org (Marnie R. Salisbury) writes:
>|> >>
>|> >>Wow-- there's so many of us upstaters out there.
>|> >>
>|> >>> Has anyone heard of Dolgeville?
>|> >>
>|> >>Yes.  I'm from Poland.  Have you heard of it?
>|> >>
>|> >Sure, I'm from Floyd.  Have you heard of that?
>|> >

Boy, this is starting sound like the Saturdays at lunchtime when I was a 
kid hearing the Oneida County MutualAid Radio check.

New Hartford  (my hometown)
Whitesboro
Oriskany  (my mother's hometown, .. great Xmas lights at Trinkas manor!)
Deerfield
Camden
Sylvan Beach
Florence  (my neighbors' hometown)
Western
Stittville
Sauquoit
Remsen
Marcy (if you were a little crazy, you'd end up at Marcy..)
Washington Mills
New York Mills
Boonville
Vernon-Verona
Floyd (one heck of a fireman's field days!)
Stanwix
Westmoreland
Clark Mills

how I remember the Oneida County Fireman's convention!  When the firematics 
were dominated by Mohawk's fire department.


Heck you don't have far to travel between Paris and Rome then of course Greece
is a little farther down the road..   Plus Ohio is a town that you will miss if
you sneeze! And yes you can go to Mexico, where there is a lot of snow! 

Then of course you have the "villes"  

Cassville
Waterville 
Kuckville 
Clayville
Wampsville (one of my favorites!)
Baldwinsville

Then you have the Erie Canal "ports"

Lockport
Brockport
Spencerport
Fairport
Gasport
Middleport

It is nice to find out there are other folks that know there is an 
upstate NY!  

As an aside, I am always bugged when a news report about somebody famous
comes from "upstate" New York.  They never give a town name or anything..
It is like the rest of New York state is one big "town" !

And another thing (sorry for running on, here is a personal hot button..)

Why do weathermen in Buffalo call everything west of Rochester downstate!??!


Ken Lewis
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From: kasprj@operators.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Albany **UNION COLLEGE** area
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:34:57 GMT

In article <adl23gn@rpi.edu>, multics@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (Multics) writes:
|> In article <johnsh-151292175220@mustang.stu.rpi.edu> johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) writes:
|> >
|> >Can't speak for Schenectady.  Troy, though, HAS fallen down.  And it most
|> >certainly can't get up.
|> >
|> Gee, you should have seen troy before they built the Uncle Sam atrium, or
|> seen troy when teh atrium was a big hole in the ground that no one had
|> money to fill :)
  
 Multics does have a point. I'd say that Troy has certainly picked itself
up somewhat from the state that it was in when I came here in 1986, and I
heard it was worse before then. It's still got a long way to go, and 
probably the best thing that could be done for the Uncle Sam Atrocity at
this stage would be to turn it back into a hole in the ground. (-: 
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