HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Leaving for the con! Be back in 10 days!
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:58:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.030158.26376@plts.uucp>, tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>We're going blind trying to read ALL the backlog!

Sure you're not going blind from something else...

>...and do *I* have stories to tell about the 'con! :-)

Not about me....  I was a good boy. Ask Grandma K!

>Tom

(The Latex Commando!   Dun-dun-DUNNNNNN!!!)



Shawn
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RFD: Still in print?
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:58:27 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Jul24.003025.187@csrd.uiuc.edu>
hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

>Melinda Shore:
>>I thought RFD was for rural gay men?

>Steve Dyer:
>>It's for rural gay male wanna-bes, too.

>I dunno, but the people I know are quite happy living in the city. There's
>just more privacy out in the woods for things like orgies.

Besides, Bill, you know what snobs those coastal types are:
they think Chicago *is* rural!  :-)

-- 
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:32485 soc.bi:9504 ne.motss:410
From: fvaughn@ds5000.coe.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,ne.motss
Subject: GCN Community Mtg. 7/23
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:37:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Northeastern University

Is there anyone on the net from the Boston area who attended the
community meeting on the future of _Gay Community News_ last night
(Thursday, July 23)? I (and I'm certain many other netters) would
like to know what happened?

FRED
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: gay and bi male lovers (part 1)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:49:40 GMT

	re biff & muffy

	are u *sure* you haven't met my former honey?

	'cept you forgot the part about biff validating muffy's bisexuality,
	the part about biffy going way out of his way to make sure muffy &
	his bfs get along as well as possible.

	annemarie, 'just call me muffy'
	asuccop@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Fashion Plate
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:11:56 GMT

Oops. This didn't actually come through last time...
Anyway, you have the blond guy from Army of Lovers over to your house?
How *wonderful*! Am I his type? Is he *hung*?

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32413 talk.politics.misc:35758 alt.individualism:4536 alt.activism:13419
From: jdurbin@nl.oracle.com (Jason Durbin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:54:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <1992Jul23.222058.24928@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
|> mp> Michael Portuesi
|> jd> Jeff Dauber
|> gs> Gary Strand
|> 
|> gs> Basically, just because I'm a white het male doesn't mean you can tar me
|> gs> with the same brush as you do other individuals who happen to be white,
|> gs> het, and male. Defensive? You bet.
|> 
|> jd> There is one group of people who frighten me more than any other (if I see
|> jd> them on the street, I will get the fuck into a safe place): heterosexual
|> jd> males between the ages of 16 and 25.
|> 
|> mp> Maybe if you lived in a situation where brutal beatings were a reality for
|> mp> not only you but also your friends, you might have at least some small
|> mp> basis for understanding the points Jeff is trying to make in this discus-
|> mp> sion.
|> 
|>   I know, I know, it looks like I'm invalidating his experience, and I can't 
|>   possibly hope to understand his life because I haven't been bashed by fag-
|>   bashers. 
|> 
|>   Well, he can't possibly understand *my* life either! It's not very nice to
|>   start lumping people together because of superficial characteristics that
|>   they share, and then get upset at the actions of some subset of the derived
|>   group, and not expect others of the same group to be perturbed.
|> 
|>   Jeff says that young het males scare the crap out of him. That's OK, but
|>   let's be clear that there are many many young het males who wouldn't think
|>   of harming a hair on his head, and quite likely would stand with him in
|>   defense against these thugs.
|> 
|>   Anyway, exclaiming one's own victimhood has never impressed me.
|> 
|> --
|> Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
|> strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

I suppose then, that we should tell all those holocaust whiners to shut
up and accept that "Life ain't fair". Perhaps we Americans should shut up
about the Day of Infamy because "Life ain't fair". We should also shut up
about the people crossing the southern border and living in the US 
illegally because "Life ain't fair". etc...

Jason Durbin
Technology Division
Oracle Europe
From: meggert@hto-06.usc.edu (Mark Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Helmut Newton: Private Property
Date: 22 Jul 1992 15:19:59 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: hto-06.usc.edu
Summary: erotic (?) photo calendar review
Keywords: black-and-white photography (big black pumps, big white tits)

  I saw a new calendar today called "Helmut Newton: Private Property". The
photos, all B/W, are very interesting. Several show women together in
compromised positions. That's sexually-compromised, but not fashion-compromised!
  Disclaimer: I am not involved in the production or distribution of
"Private Property" nor have I slept with Helmut Newton.
  Teaser: Check out the "nursing" scene!
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gaynet, Mailing Lists, etc. (Was: Re: Phobe Alert: America)
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:01:34 GMT

>In article <1992Jul17.212451.28499@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>>If you're interested in lesbian discussion, subscribe to the "sappho"
>>>list.
>>Unless I am mistaken, the sappho list is woman-only space.

So what? Set up an unknown account and ask to subscribe. Maybe you can't get
away with posting - is a life-long conditioning with the male point of view
maskable? Is that conditioning the problem? Are male->female TS's allowed to 
post? - but certainly with reading.

Or are you required to have a blood-test done by a physician under oath?

								FJ!!
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Urgent Action Needed - Nicaragua's proposed Sodomy law
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:47:22 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

foye@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Rob Foye) wrote: 
->True. In that case it should be "Don~a", i.e. "Don~a Max"

hey!  this could be a new movie: "Do~na Max and her Wiener Dog" ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nomad@castle.org (Lee Damon)
Subject: Re: motss.com
Organization: The Castle, not-yet-Public Access Un*x Systems; Peekskill, NY
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:37:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.140249.5314@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>[]
>I had considered going, but decided not to because
>
>4)  Few women would be there

So, one less decides to go. Sounds like a self-fulfiling prophecy to me.

When, oh when, will we all be "human" instead of "gay or lesbian or bi
or straight or etc.."

nomad
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play: castle!nomad or nomad@castle.org                                 \
work: nomad@watson.ibm.com                  - Lee "nomad" Damon -       \
Seneschal; The Castle, Public Access Un*x Systems.                     / \
  " Unashamed "                                                       /   \
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: DUMMERtime, when the thinking is easy...
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:16:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul24.151619.24300
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I was in the local gay bookswhore and noticed a new fissue of my
flavorite madgazine, you know the one, "DUMMER: thoughts for the
thoughtless, and those who adsorb". It is the gay hacktivist
'torn-again" tissue July/September 1992.

The articles:

AGONIST/RECEPTOR hinteractions, far away the most nervy responsives
for those little momments when pee-pull don't re/tact the way you want,
dammit. What actually burns the asses of streightz aside from flames
3 feet tall. 

SHRED OUT: Deeliteful special section on how U can avoid fashioned 
siouxeyesighed while (not streight) peering current. Mix 2 Max 
Dummer DM bootz, longshorts, teeshirt-subdstitooted volcabulary,
haircut hacktivism, pumping OUT! at the gym, Rat-tat-ptooey!

SM/ARMY: why gayz'n'the'hood should B all U can B in the smARMY,
demand your right to go to foreign lands and kill KILL KKKILL!

B-MOVEEZ: how to protest what U haven't seen, against what it doesn't
con-tain, to guarantee profits which wouldn't otherwise BE REALized. Full
summer filmlist and simplemind's snopseez.

PUT BACK TONIGHT: how to abuse your nth aMENdment rites in spring to
bash porn-u-poriums in your translucent Y-fronts and DM's while on
viddy national and get away from it all.

FAMILY OUTING: maximize mayhem! out: PTA chairpeople, School
principals, Police chiefs, News Announcers, garbage collectors, BSA
leaders, Avon Ladies. THINK GLOBAL WORK LOCAL!

And all the regular features the DUMMER centerperson displaying his or
her charms, bracelets, the impersonals ad section (GPL seeks same for
hot dissemination), DUMMER letters from our readers (this month's
are M, Q, and L).

My fingers are salivating already!



-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32725 alt.politics.homosexuality:5219
From: sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Christians & Homosexuals: Who are the bigots?
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:40:59 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

What happens if you're both?  Do you get ammunition from both
sides?  Do both refuse to claim you?

--->sej5g


"She was a Catholic Dyke.  She didn't stand a chance."
--
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:45:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.184050.23810@cdsmn.mn.org> wells@cdsmn.UUCP (Rich Wells) writes:
>(2)  There was a sitcom on Showtime called Brothers, in which a gay
>character (or two?) was (were?) quite prominent.  Anyone remember the
>name of the actor?  It's on the tip of my fingers, but I can't think
>of it.  Micheal Philip Something, or Philip Michael Something, or
>some such?

Two, actually.  One was Cliff Waters, one of the brothers of the title, played
by Paul Regina (who, in some early role before BROTHERS, was a big crush... I
admit it); the other, his "sister" Donald Maltby, was played by Phillip
Charles Mackenzie.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: basic Basic Instinct
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:13:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul21.171335.23111
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I saw "Basic Instinct" a month ago, and, in light of the earlier
conversations on motss about it, found that my questions and
suspicions were, suprisingly, right on the nose. I asked if others had
seen "The Fourth Man", an earlier Werhoeven film, and why it wasn't
mentioned in context of the lesbigay critique of "Basic Instinct",
since it seemed to foreshadow certain themes I had heard of in the
film (the ambiguously sexual female killer, crucifixion icons, women
manipulating (even ostensibly gay) men sexually...)  Pieter
Hazewindus, from Caltech, was the only person I recalled replying, and
that in a negative sense, that they were unrelated, the former film
being a wildly idiosyncratic reactionary film about Catholicism, while
"Basic Instinct" being about the cult of killing men among
Bisexuals/Lesbianis.

I beg to differ.

1) Cruicifixion. The image of the man, tied up to the big bed with the
white cloth, arms straight out, stabbed. Both movies. Central,
repeating image.

2) Sexual Ambiguity. There were (how many) several reversals in "Basic
Instinct". Likewise, several characters in "The Fourth Man" reversed,
and in fact I can't recall the orientation of the female lead. The
word "Sphynx" (if I recall) or "Spider", in neon, was paused upon in
"The Fourth Man". The female lead lived on a beach in paradoxically
voluptuous spartan luxury in both films.

3) Beige. Classic 50's architectural beige tones were used in both
films over and over, very often the central female character wearing
ecru colored clothing. They were both beigish blondes (a color I more
associate with the skin of Lauren Hutton). Naturally finished woods.
Scenes with no makeup. In a sense, an "ambiguous" color.

4) The thematic repetition, the questioning, the sex, the 'betrayal', 
more questioning, more sex, the giving up of long-held control against
vices. 

5) The open ending.

In a sense, one could take sequences from one of the films and
rearrange them without a terrible loss of sense, or design; they are
long, delirious essays about the insecurity one develops from not
being able to read someone, and in particular a man not being able to
read a woman - sexually, historically, emotionally - and developing
paranoid fantasies of the possibilities of outrageous murdering
tendencies, of fatally unpredictable sexual alliances. The lead male
character's psychosis drives the film, not the ambiguity of the women
- that is the beauty of the single point-of-view. It works the same
way in Werhoeven's Schwartzenegger film based on Dick's "I Can Dream
It For You Wholesale". There is a Film with Catherine Deneuve,
"Repulsion" which works the same way.

I think the film was completely misread, and I'm not overanalyzing.





-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: There was this sign in the window...
Keywords: @$#!% NewsWatcher bug...
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:23:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Jul24.142359.27502
Organization: Playdoh's Republic

In article <nj7e8jc@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>If I find a straight man who harasses women, I
>make a point of harassing him.

How fucking chivalrous of you.
-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Hello there! (was: forwarded posting ... about voting)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:21:09 GMT

In article <33174@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:

[something forwarded by someone else]

Laura? Laura, is that you? Where the hell have you *been*?

Seriously, I'm glad to see that you're still around. Don't be a
stranger. :-)
  Robert
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Hanky Code
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Jul30.103409.24788@macc.wisc.edu>
	<1992Jul30.164841.4409@spdcc.com> <1992Jul30.225710.7860@reed.edu>
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:17:20

In article <1992Jul30.225710.7860@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

   In article <1992Jul30.164841.4409@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
   >Q. What's the square root of 69i?
   >A. i 8 something.

   Well, not really:

   Q. What's the square root of 69i?
   A. sqrt(2)/2 + sqrt(2)/2 i 8 something

Actually, it should be A. 1/2*(sqrt(2) + i*sqrt(2)) 8 something.
Unfortunately this has little entertainment value.

However, A. 8 something < 45 degrees is also right, and has some
possibilities.

It's midway (as it were) between sqrt(69) = 8 something < 0 degrees
and sqrt(-69) = 8 something < 90 degrees.

- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jmckee@world.std.com (Jim McKee)
Subject: Gay Men on the Red Road
Summary: Seeking gay men involved in Native American spirituality
Keywords: gay men native american spirituality
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:12:46 GMT

For the past two years I've been exploring Native American
Spirituality with a small group of men from the Boston area.
I am the only gay man in the group, and, while out to my
friends, who are entirely supportive of me, I feel a strong
desire to make contact with other gay/bi men who are also
walking the Red Road.

Our group meets monthly at a rural site in western Mass, where we
usually spend a Saturday afternoon/evening in honest dialogue
about our lives, hopes, dreams, wounds, etc. We then do some
chanting, drumming and dancing around our fire, and finish the
day with a night sweat-lodge, which usually lasts from 3-4 hours.
On Sunday, after breakfast, we spend another hour or two talking
about the lodge, the insights we've had, and what we're going to
work on in ourselves over the next month.

If you are a gay/bi man who is walking the Red Road, if you're
interested in exploring this path, please email me (I don't 
often have time to read the newsgroups).

Ho! Metakeyeyasin! (all my relations)


Jim McKee
jmckee@world.std.com
jmckee@silver.lcs.mit.edu 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wagner@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david wagner)
Subject: Modern Family Values
Summary: Reclaiming the language 
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:15:13 GMT

The typical Republican tactic in election years is to divide people
into "us vs. them" by using divisive words and phrases such as "the
cultural elite."  "Family" is another word often used as a weapon
against lesbians and gay men.

To help our efforts to reclaim the word "family," I propose that we 
start using the phrase "Modern Family Values."  This takes the
loathsome phrase "Traditional Family Values" and twists it around into
something better.  "Modern" is up-to-date, fresh and applicable to
today's world.  "Traditional" is out-of-date, stale and irrelevant.

The Modern Family includes everyone, gay or straight, married or 
unmarried, with children or without, who are joined together with
bonds of affection and who work together for their mutual benefit.  I
prefer the phrase "modern family" to the phrase "non-traditional
family" for several reasons:  it's a catchier phrase; it stands on its
own and doesn't rely on the root "traditional family"; it defines
people by what they are rather than what they are not; and it is more
inclusive-- it can include supportive heterosexual couples who have
the misfortune of being labelled "traditional."

We can use this as a phrase for uniting people instead of dividing
them.

We should start asking political candidates whether they support
modern family values.  We need to write to gay-friendly television
sponsors and thank them for supporting modern family values.  We
should encourage corporations to support modern family values by
implementing domestic partnership benefits.

We need to let people know that we have families and that we have
family values, too, and that we aren't going to let ourselves become
victims of divisive politics.

-David (wagner@bnlux1.bnl.gov)

                    "Support Modern Family Values!"
From: mdrayton@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:33:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Pheobe B. Peabody - Beebe ( Was Re: British Pronounciation
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss

 joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

>"Cottage" becomes "ka TAJH" as in "I had dinner at the cottage last
>evening, and the portions were rather large, I couldn't eat another
>thing unless it was a little light snack. Cheese and crackers would be
>nice, I do feel a bit peckish."*

----------
If you had dinner at the cottage, you can probably make do with 
just the crackers.  You probably don't need any more cheese.  

Oink.....snort

Mike Drayton
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:18:19 GMT

In article <thaaang.711709125@odin> thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>
>>In article <nhum02k@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>> are the "baby" people who tell you everything about their child, their
>>> children's baseball stats, the baby shower, how wonderful babies are, etc.
>>  
>>Say, have I shown you the latest pictures of my horse?
>
>God, I hate trainers.

i could change your mind. :-)
oh! you're talking about horse training... never mind.

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I HAVE THREADING
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:51:30 GMT

mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor) gushes:

> I am so pleased with this new reader.  It threads.
> 
> And it has a filter file.
> 
> Joy.  Bliss.  I can tackle soc.motss again.
and here we thought it would was hard to make Mike happy....

(what- no auto-flame function?)