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From: liz@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Elizabeth Zaenger)
Subject: Re: Odor after garlic (was Re: Bad Breath in 2YO)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:48:30 GMT

In article <6274@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> karenw@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Karen A Walker) writes:
>One thing I have noticed with my 2 year old son is that I can't
>give him anything with garlic in it.  He develops a really
>strong odor for a day or two after having garlic.  
>I now carefully check out ingredients prior to purchase if it is 
>something my son will be eating.

This has always been my procedure for avoiding that awful garlic 
smell on my husband or kids:

I eat garlic too!

(Cant imagine life without it 8^)

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Sick Baby
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:09:30 GMT


Sounds like you're doing all you can.  It's a difficult thing to
cope with a sick child.  I also found that Triaminic drops helped
my son (10 mo now) when he has colds.  They really clear up the
stuffiness, and also make him drowsy so he sleeps better.  You
only use one drop per 2 lb.  Even if you use them just at night
they might help.  Otherwise, TLC is the only prescription.

Good luck!
Catharine Robshaw

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bsirvine@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Flogger-D)
Subject: Re: Re:Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:25:52 EDT

I was under the impression that by inadvertantly exposing children to minor
diseases like the thousands of variants of the common cold caused the 
immune system to strengthen and might actually help to prevent illness in
later life (like when the child is in school, when absence because of
illness can cause important lessons to be missed).  If this was true
it would make sense to expose preschool children to other preschool children.

Has anyone heard of this theory, and if so what do you think of it?

bsirvine

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw)
Subject: Transition from Smooth to "Lumpy" Food
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:54:30 GMT

My son Bradley is 9.5 mo old.  I have been trying to get him
used to more solid, lumpy foods.  He is used to his baby
food, cereals, etc.  If I try anything the least bit lumpy
with him (i.e. junior mixed veggies, mashed bananas, real
cereal, junior carrots), he gags terribly and won't eat it.  
Should he not be able to handle these foods by now?  I read
that babies should pretty well be eating all "real" food
by a year old.  Am I being unrealistic?  Did I wait too long?
Are there any foods I should be starting him off on?
Any advice?  If this topic has already been covered, I
apologize. I am new on the net, and have really enjoyed
all the postings.  I am learning a lot!

Catharine Robshaw
ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:08:41 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <14jnugINNbs0@informatics.wustl.edu>, bloch@wupost.wustl.edu (Charlene Bloch Abrams) writes:
|> I've posted this before, but for those who missed it: I had 2 shots of 
|> Stadol. The first was sort of useful - took the worst edge off the pain
|> for about 40 minutes. The second shot (an hour later) was the very worst
|> part of my labour: it made me so spacey that I lost all sense of time,
|> except when I was having contractions, so until I managed to get the epidural
|> (NO idea on the timing!) it felt as though I was having one long contraction
|> (which the Stadol didn't help with managing at all). In a nutshell: NEVER
|> NEVER NEVER AGAIN - it was horrible for me!

To followup to my own question (oh well)...

Yesterday we finally got to drugs in my childbirth class. The instructor,
who has attended a great many births, said that Stadol is the drug of
choice at Boulder Community Hosital. But, she said that reactions like
you describe are not that unusual. It depends on who you are. She's
seen women who had it do absolutely no good. She's seen women who go
totally loopey so they lose all focus and can't remember their breathing
exericses. And, she's seen plenty in between. So, you don't know until
you get the stuff. You takes your shot and you takes your chances!
-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: Why did you become a parent? (was Re: Are kids really worth it?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:52:33 GMT

In article <13217@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
> 
> In article <15165@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson) writes:
> |> Kent Archie wrote that he remembered how much fun it was to be
> |> a kid, and he wanted to give that chance to someone else.

Yeah, when was that, Kent, last week?  As those of us who know Kent
will attest, he is still a kid at heart.  It is great to have the tastes
of a 12 year old and the income of a 30something year old.

> |> 
> |> I didn't think being a kid was fun at all, and part of my reluctance
> |> to become a parent is that I don't want to inflict childhood
> |> on another person, particularly one I love!
> |> 
> |> Is this just anecdotal, or is there a correlation here?  I'd be
> |> interested in hearing other people's experiences.

Actually, it took me into my 30's to decide that I wanted kids, and I
think in large part it was due to not wanting to go through my stormy
teenage years again, not from the other side, not from any side.  I
wasn't such a bad teenager, but due to parental attitudes, stuff my
siblings and I did, and the general mood of the country, the 70's were
a pretty awful time in my house.  I thought of my brother and things he
did, and how my parents fought about him, and I really didn't want to
make myself an emotional hostage to some little shit who would take that
for granted and in the process of self destruction, break my heart, too.
Basically, it seems most parents love and care about their kids no matter
what they do, and I didn't really want to put myself in that position.
In time it has seemed to me that parents have a soft spot for their "lost
children" and that the Prodigal Son's brother got a bad rap.

However, once into my 30's, I changed my mind.  It may be that I forgot
what those years were like, or just decided that other people's mistakes
shouldn't control my life.  I can't say.  We decided we wanted a child,
and now that we have 1 1/2, we are hopelessly in love with our little
girl, and I never regret it.   Sometimes I wonder if 2 will be a mistake,
but for reasons that have to do with my life, not my parents'.  Well, in
for a penny, in for a pound.  As Kent points out, it is too late now.

Kate Perkins
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:07:15 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <18704@drutx.ATT.COM>, seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian) writes:
> The reason I asked this question wasn't because I wished to advocate
> no drugs births (I'm hoping for one, but I'm no fool. I'll take it if I
> need it). But, I want to feel like I made the choice, not some nurse or
> doctor. Given the widely different statistics from Boulder and Denver,
> it sounds like getting my choice is going to be a lot easier where I
> will deliver (in Boulder) than if I were to deliver in Denver. I was
> just wondering if other women heard similar statistics during their
> childbirth classes (though I would guess that classes in Denver wouldn't
> freely tell you their statistics because a lot of women would be very
> shocked by them!).

Hear Hear!  Anyone who believes they "know" what will happen during labor and 
delivery and "knows" absolutely they will never ever use [fill in the blank] 
is nuts.  I believe the best thing to do is to educate yourself thoroughly 
before labor begins, draw up a birth plan of what you MUST HAVE, and MUST NOT 
HAVE, as well as alternatives, strong wishes, etc., and do what you feel is 
appropriate at the time.  Just remember that YOU make the decisions.  It's 
your body.  It's your baby.  It's your right to make those choices.  Birth 
partners need to tell those well meaning medical personnel who keep offering 
drugs to just stop.  Believe me, if the laboring mother wants drugs, she'll 
ask for them.  Try to talk her out of it if it was her decision not to use 
them, but if she absolutely insists, then give her what she wants.  She knows 
what she can take and what she doesn't want to deal with.

 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:05:03 GMT

In article <1114@kepler1.rentec.com> fcaggian@rentec.com (Frank Caggiano) writes:
>Ok, point out these 'numerous older religions that condoned or 
>even demanded infanticide'.

Well for starters, there's a very old (ca. 3000 years) religion which
holds that infanticide is called for in certain extreme circumstances.

This religion is called Judaism.  Don't believe me?  Ask an orthodox
rabbi about "kiddush hashem".  It dates back to the defeat of Israel by
the Babylonians in the 6th century BC.  The gist of it is that it is
better for children to die by the hands of their parents than to fall
into the hands of pagans (sorry, ailsa) who might abuse them or
sacrifice them to their gods.  Though this set of circumstances is
unlikely to occur today, the law is still "on the books".

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:00:45 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <3782@wyse.wyse.com> donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302) writes:
>> Carrie was born almost 5 weeks ago, via c-section following relatively
>> long labor.  I felt physically back to normal, including swinging my
>> 32 pound two year old over my head, by the time four weeks had passed.
>> I get a little tired in the afternoon, but I think anyone whose sleep
>> is broken at 3 am would feel the same.  And now for a little bragging
>> - I'm down to 4 pounds BELOW my prepregnancy weight, after five weeks!
>> Breastfeeding is a great way to diet!
>
>That's great!  But it's making me feel insecure.  I had a normal vaginal
>delivery, and after 3 months, still feel tired and not the least normal.
>And Paul's been sleeping thru the night for over two weeks.  I also still
>have 15 lbs to go (gained 40), and I've even started running again.  I'm
>jealous... BTW, I am breasfeeding, too, but haven't lost *any* weight since
>Paul was 5 weeks old!
>
>Donna


Just to make Donna feel better:  after 6 months I too have 15 pounds to go.
However, I only gained 22 pounds and had a 7 pound baby.  Hmm 22 - 7 = 15!
I lost some weight in the first 2 weeks but then gained it all back plus
some (now that's discouraging!).  Yes, I breastfed for 3 months, but it
didn't magically melt the pounds off.  In fact, I was usually so hungry
that I think I got into poor eating habits which I'm now finding it hard
to break.  However, I had the same pattern with my first baby 3 years ago.
I took 1.5 - 2 years to lose all the weight, but I did it eventually (just
in time to decide to get pregnant again!).
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:49:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.seS061_00WBN425ZB3
	<1992Jul29.201849.16412@nynexst.com>
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 29-Jul-92 in Re: Use of drugs during labor
user Clare Chu@nynexst.com writes:
>  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
>  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
>  is better.

I have experienced both epidural & labor pain recently (7 weeks ago) and
highly recommend putting up with the temporary pain of the epidural
insertion in exchange for the longer relief from the labor pain.

With the labor pains I was having, I could not concentrate on anything -
relaxing, breathing, anything at all.  I was to the point where I needed
to scream because the pain was so bad, but was told not to, since I
would be wasting what limited air I was breathing.

My epidural insertion did not go smoothly, since my labor pains were so
intense, I could not hold still long enough.  The anaesthesiologist had
to do the catheter insertion twice, since I moved after the first &
screwed up the placement.  Yes, there was pain in the epidural
insertion.  I vividly remember grabbing large chunks of the labor nurse
who was trying to help hold me still.  When I tried to apologize, she
told me I wasn't the first or the worst.  Once the epidural was in
place, sensation at the epidural site was knocked out by the epidural
itself, so, of course, there was no pain.

With the epidural, I was able to relax between contractions & let my
body do its work.  I was able to breathe and regained a little strength
so I could push when the time came.  I was able to feel when I needed to
push and I believe the epidural enhanced our birth experience.

As always, YMMV, but I wanted to share my successful epidural experience.

Laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re; problem hair-Mom's
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:02:17 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

Well, my hair is now down around my waist, I've basically been letting it grow
since I found out I was pregnant two years ago.  About 2 mo about birth my
hair started coming out the way everyone else's has..  I would brush it with
a clean brush and have a handful of hair, wash it and get another, yet another
was caught in the drain, yet another in the comb I used after washing, and
yes, another 1-2 while drying.  In addition, my hair was falling out around
the house--we kept jamming the vacuum---I had to actually RAKE the carpeting
before vacuuming!
 
Well, this went on for about 4mo or so, but even now 7mo later my hair still
falls out quite a lot.
Ellie
From: msimon@physics.ucla.edu (Simon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Surragate Mother
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:10:39 GMT
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics


Is there anyone out there in netland that would consider being
a surragate mother for us?  I am reddish-blond with greenish eyes
and we have tried everything to start a family.  This may be our
only hope.  It could be rewarding in more ways than one.
   Please, serious replys only to msimon@physics.ucla.edu or

                            P.O. Box 25231
                            Los Angeles CA 90025  

        Janis Simon
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re:Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:44:32 GMT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <9207281916.AA27027@panhed.psc.edu>, grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:

> By far, stress and paranoia, IMNSHO, is much worse than viruses.  And
> the only way to keep children from catching things is by isolating all
> people that come in contact, either directly or remotely, in a sterile
> environment (I think I saw this in a movie once ;-) - and therefore
> dying of starvation because germs also can be spread on food packaging.


Oh, please!  I think the topic was simply the wisdom of *trying* to keep
one's children away from people who are obviously ill.  Nobody has been
advocating sterile environments.

Ann Helmers  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:06:36 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <23JUL199209072925@addvax.llnl.gov>, kettering@addvax.llnl.gov (Brett 'Volleyball Is My Game' Kettering) writes:
|>                                                          It's OK if you don't
|> believe in a Diety, but some of us do and do not consider that Diety to be
|> pagan.

Some of us even know how to spell "deity"!  :-) :-)

I agree with your point, by the way.  If it's related to children and
child-raising, then this is an appropriate place to discuss it.  The
free marketplace of ideas will decide if an old book's advocacy of the
value of child-beating is a worthwhile pursuit.

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
     "Faith:  not *wanting* to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Car seat question summary
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:36:53 GMT

In article <13722@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>In article <9207302119.AA06709@fieser.brynmawr.edu>, chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	3) All the people who answered whose children weighed >20lbs
>|> before they could sit continued to keep them rear facing in a
>|> full-sized car seat at least until they could sit up if not longer.  
>
>What about an 18-pounder who sits well? Is it okay for her to be facing 
>forward? This is my friend's baby, and she loves facing forward. She's
>eight months old.
>

The way it was explained to me is that babies under 1 years old have a
disproportionately larger hear, and their necks may not be able to handle
the stress of a forward facing accident. Also, it is safer for *anyone* to
be in the rear facing position, so give your young children the extra 
protection as long as you can. I know someone who kept her child rear facing
even longer then a year.

Laura Floom
From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton - Family Values?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 23:30:01 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In <Brv8Gt.64s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:

>A real way out to where?  Or do the newly-emancipated 7,8,9,10,11, and
>12-year olds get to manage for themselves?  Do we set up yet another
>government agency to deal with the flood of divorcees?  
>Steve Kellmeyer


If I understand everything that has been proposed by Mrs. Clinton, an
integral part of the proposal was that the child seeking emancipation be
able to prove they could (1) care for themselves and complete their education
and so on and so forth or (2) find someone (such as a member of their 
extended family or a family friend) to take care of them until they were
of legal majority.  That way, the government *wouldn't* be burdened with
the responsibilty for them.  

The best example of this (obviously fictionalized, of course) is the tv  
movie "Irreconcilable Differences" with Shelley Long and Drew Barrymore.
In that case, the child's parents were divorced, and neither had proved
to be capable of providing a suitable environment for her.  She ended up
choosing to live with her mother's housekeeper, while both parents paid
support and had visitation rights.

Beth

-- 
The brighest day in America will be when education has enough funding and
the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a new bomber....My history
teacher (from the Wireless catalog) bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu, bets@ksuvm.ksu.edu
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:52:04 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Distribution: na
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Jul29.184517.23401@mdd.comm.mot.com>, nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
|> 
|> I'm sure looking forward to the tantrum in the busy store scene. 8-(
|> 
|> I think I'll try to ignore it and withstand the onlookers stares.
|> 
|> Is there a better way?

I had *one* tantrum, my mother says. She threw water on me, which shocked
and surprised me enough that I stopped.

But I grew up a rather repressed child, so I'm not planning on using
this technique on my own kids.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD)
Subject: Re: Bradley Classes
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:49:44 GMT

What's the difference between "Bradley" classes and "Lamaze" classes?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton - Family Values?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:55:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.135904.3135@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Mic.Oettinger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger) writes:
>
>>It's some sort of biological/mental creation of having a family.  They're
>>not interested in the "child" at first.  Usually it starts out with the
>>idea of being pregnant, and of starting a family.  Once the child is born,
>>the best interests of the child are *usually* recognized by the parent.
>>Notice, I say "once the child is born", not "once the child is past the
>>first or second tri-mester".  I say this because, during those times, the
>>welfare of the mother is still most important to most of the mothers&fathers.
>>Once the child is an actual existing, non-dependent creation, the parents
>>REALLY see the child.  (You know what I mean by non-dependent, right?
>>I don't mean that the child does not need any further care, because it
>>does.)
>
>I must say Jennifer, that this was THE most short-sighted and IGNORANT
>article I have read thus far. YOU have never been pregnant, so do the
>world a favor and stick your generalized comments where they would serve
>more purpose. If what you're saying is true, there would be a hell of a
>lot more deformed babies out there. I didn't quit smoking for myself when
 
>Michelle
 
  I AM a parent.  I do get angry when I hear the words, 'When you are a
parent...' in a flame.  Becoming a parent does give you some insights into
why parents feel the way they do.  However, it doesn't improve your reasoning
or powers of observation.  I agree with some of what Jennifer said.  She did
not need to become a parent to say them!
  I think that if this is going to become a flame war, it should veer away
from personal attacks and maybe be a starting point for a discussion about
why the U.S. has the high infant mortality rate that it does.
  Michelle, I'm sure you took good care of yourself when you were pregnant
for the baby's sake, not your own.  I did, too!
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
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