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From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Rabbit Raising (Was: Re: Growing Ball Python)
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:34:38 GMT

>I dream of the day I run into one of these folks, but there aren't too
>many farms right around this area.

Even at $10/rabbit/week, I'll bet that an adult Burmese is still cheaper
to keep than an average dog:  the dog eats every day, requires a host of
innoculations, and may need to be groomed.

>I'm spending more time taking care of the snake's food then the snake
>itself!

One of the reasons I got into snakes is that I'm allergic to most of the
typically furry mammals.  Cats torment me, and the dogs I've met evoke
just a little too much of a reaction to have one around all the time.
Even a *frozen* pinky will evoke a reaction on the way to dinner.  Since
I've often had a tough time finding pinkies and especially fuzzies anywhere
that doesn't torture dogs, it'd be real nice if I could breed mice, but I
just couldn't breathe (arrgh).
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: transporting snakes across country...
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:44:02 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Sep1.055837.1952@reed.edu>, mojo@reed.edu (still dead after all
these years) writes:
>
>Supposedly (from Lou Boyd's column, of all things) snakes don't survive
>being X-rayed.  You might not want to take them in a carry-on!
>-- 
>Ya know, Reed is a pretty boring place if you're the only one in it.
>       - David Thomas (florp@reed)
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
>but I am...Nathan Tenny / mojo@reed.{UUCP || BITNET} / ...tektronix!reed!mojo
I've had my Iguanas X-rayed with no ill effects.  What could be the problem?
From: jde@esix.everex.com (Jeff Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Baby Corn Snakes
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:50:57 GMT
Organization: Esix Computers, Inc
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

:>>are offering dead pinkies, cut a hole in the skull so there is a blood-
:>>scent to attract the snake.

I feed my corn pinkies from the freaser, the only think I have to do is
heat them a little (dont cook! they like them raw.....)

--
Jeff Ellis 					jde@esix.everex.com
Esix Computers, Inc.
From: dave@aficom.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: bats, hog nose snakes, and other misc ramblings
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 16:23:16 -0400
Reply-To: dave@aficom.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Hunter)
Distribution: world
Organization: AFI Communications - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

71162.3470@CompuServe.COM ("Peter P. Donohue") writes:

| Bats:
|    At some point I would be interested in trying to keep bats.  Does
| anyone have any experience on these critters?  Does anyone know where
| you could get some (I've never seen bats at pet stores)?  Are there laws
| against bats in any states?

There are many species of bats, but not too many inhabit the US. I 
assume that you will be trying to keep an indigenous species as opposed 
to smothing that requires australian wombats or blood of a malnourished 
oxen as food. :-)

Although I have no first hand experience with bats what I know about 
them and their environmental needs suggest to me that a pet bat kept in 
doors would be more than a handful and success might prove elusive.

If you have bats in your area, I would suggest that you build a 
"bat-house" and hang it in the garden or on the side of the house. This 
will provide shelter and if lucky should attract quite a few 
inhabitants. I've seen plans for such a shelter in books on bats so I 
suggest you check your local library. In a nutshell, the "bat-house" 
looks like a regular box bird house with a few modifications,

1) The back of the house extends 6 - 8 inches below the front board. 
This back has horixontal groves from top to bottom spaced about 1/4
inches apart. This gives the bats something to hang onto.

2) The front panel does not have a hole cut in it. Bats enter the house 
from the bottom through a narrow slit between front and back panels. 
The slit is no more than a 1/2 inch wide to ensure that only bats move 
in.

Good luck in your pursuit.

Rgds.
From: wyoung@doggie.enet.dec.com (Warren Ray Young)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: rats and hogs
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:53:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug25.164718.13794@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jpgraham@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John P Graham) writes...
>And .. I have another question ... 
>Does anyone have any info. about the care and availability of the 
>Eastern Hognose Snake .. They sound like interesting characters but I 
>haven't seen any around or known anyone who has kept them. 
>Any help greatly appreciated (again).
> 
>Many thanks ... John.

	I have an Eastern Hognose. I've had it about 4 months. It's
	my first snake (I also just got a baby corn.). A friend
	found it all torn up near where he works, and brought it home to
	nurse it back to health. He's a herper from way back, and 
	had a hognose before. After it chowed down on a few toads
	and shed, it looked great! It has, however, lost a few inches of 
	tail past the vent. It laid eggs shortly after its first shed, 
	which we managed to dehydrate in our ignorance. It's a pretty
	good snake - It used to hiss loudly whenever you entered the 
	room, but now it's calmed down somewhat. It'll still hiss
	and false-strike if you catch it off guard, but it's never
	bitten me. It spends a lot of time burrowed into its pine
	shavings or underneath its doggie bowl. I have had no luck
	whatsoever feeding it anything but bufo americanus, the common
	toad. I even had a hard time getting it to eat the southern 
	subspecies toads that I get from Carolina Biological. After I 
	made a small cut with a razor on the back of a toad and dropped it
	into the tank, the snake got the idea. (Looks like chicken - 
	smells like chicken - Hmmm - tastes like chicken!!! GULP!) 
	Finding toads in the wild in this area is damn near impossible. 
	If anyone on the net has experience with getting these critters
	on another diet, PLEASE post or email me. I may have to release
	the snake this fall if I can't get toads through the winter
	from Carolina. 


	wyoung@doggie.enet.dec.com
	Warren Ray Young	DEC Mid-Atlantic Southern States
        Lead Operator           Regional Data Center
                                Landover, MD
	Digital doesn't agree with me, which explains a lot.
From: wyoung@doggie.enet.dec.com (Warren Ray Young)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: habitat question
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:01:41 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	I use pine shavings for my Eastern Hognose and my Corn. It
	really does a good job on controlling odor and is easy
	to keep clean. Both snakes love to burrow into the stuff.  


	wyoung@doggie.enet.dec.com
	Warren Ray Young	DEC Mid-Atlantic Southern States
        Lead Operator           Regional Data Center
                                Landover, MD
	Digital doesn't agree with me, which explains a lot. 
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From: tracer@milton.u.washington.edu (David Tracer)
Subject: Re: rats and hogs
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:36:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.164718.13794@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpgraham@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John P Graham) writes:

>And .. I have another question ... 
>Does anyone have any info. about the care and availability of the 
>Eastern Hognose Snake .. They sound like interesting characters but I 
>haven't seen any around or known anyone who has kept them. 

They ARE interesting characters, but I wouldn't consider keeping one
unless I had a really reliable supply of toads for food.  Try the Western
Hognose if you're really interested in keeping hogs.  They will eat
rodents (and are actually better looking than most Easterns IMHO, though
they won't put on the "show" that a newly caught eastern will).
From: bader@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Joel Bader)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: bats
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:24:33 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.herp
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation, Department of Chemistry,
	Columbia University

One summer we picked up an injured bat and fed it;
in two days it flew away.
From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: transporting snakes across country...
Keywords: cardboard pillowcase styrofoam tape ...
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:36:56 GMT
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.


Glades in Florida says in their literature that they almost always ship
via Delta.
From: vmh@vmh.Eng.Sun.COM (Valerie Haecky)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: change of email adress
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:16:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmh

friday, September 4th will be my last day at Sun. I will
be starting on a new job at September 21.

I should get connected to the network within the first 
week. My new email will be one or both of:

	vmh@tss.com
	valerie.haecky@tss.com


Valerie

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From: pmb2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter Bell)
Subject: Carolina Biological is pretty sleazy (was 5 lined skinks)
Reply-To: pmb2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:13:09 GMT

In article <1628@sousa.ltn.dec.com> wyoung@doggie.enet.dec.com (Warren Ray Young) writes:
>
>>You can order the flies and fly culturing food from Carolina
>>Biological Supply Company (CABISCO).  Sorry, don't have the address on
>>my at the moment - the catalog's at home.

It is probably true of all biological supply houses, but I know that Carolina
has a terrible rep for handling its animals after capture or puchase.  The 
turtles they ship are normally diseased at pretty high rates.

Not long ago they got cracked for not bothering to kill their cats before
perfusing them with formalin and colored latex to mark the circulatory 
system.  

Additionally, given the current problems in many regions with amphibian 
abundance, I would expect Carolina to be a major contributor to the 
problem in the areas in which they collect.

Everything you touch is a political choice;  everything you buy is a vote in 
favor in our economy (apologies to C. Hynde).
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Corn Snakes have eaten
Keywords: Pinkies, Corn Snakes
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:21:21 GMT
Organization: Bohemian Inebriation Association


  Right, I admit my error. It is too hot for snakes and I was wrong in 
thinking it was from a book. The funny thing is, I would swear that that
was what I kept my baby corn at when he started eating. I recall he was not
eating at lower temps so I kept slowly raising the temp til he ate.
 Maybe my thermometer was off. I dunno. Anyway, glad your snakes are eating.

 News on the mite front: local vet recomends sevin dust. hmm.

 -otter
From: gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Indigo snakes and filters
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:52:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BtGDG2.IvG.1@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>
>Perhaps I could set up a bowl with an aquarium filter somehow?
>

No aquarium filter, especially that size, will keep the water clean enough
after a lizard "uses" it.  My Sailfin uses his water bowl exclusively.  
When he gets bigger I will make a *large* terrarium with a big stream running
crossways, with a large filter system on it, plus aquatic plants and all
that, but until then I change his water every two days.

>
>Tim

Jon
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: UV light subsistitutes (help)
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:13:46 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <16849CE41.S863508@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU>, KAREN@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU writes:
>I have a large iguana that needed proper lighting so I contacted the
>St. Louis Zoo. I was told to use a blacklight white. I was able to
>purchase the light and fixture at a lighting store for about $25.00.
>Vitalites are not as good as a blacklight white.
Does anyone confirm this??!!
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: transporting snakes across country...
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:05:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep1.200553.29352
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Sep1.055837.1952@reed.edu> mojo@reed.edu (still dead after all these years) writes:
>
>Supposedly (from Lou Boyd's column, of all things) snakes don't survive
>being X-rayed.  You might not want to take them in a carry-on!

I'm sure it isn't as simple as that; I've seen radiographs of snakes
taken for reasons other than euthanasia.  Maybe the level of xray
is too high in airport machines?  If the xray is a reasonable one,
the airport security might not have problems recognizing a snake in
your bag, anyway.
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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: New corn snake....
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:13:18 GMT


I've been reading rec.pets.herp since about January regularly.  It has been
quite helpful and I've certainly learned *a lot* from listening, asking, and
commenting in this newsgroup.  I used to laugh when I read something along
the lines of, "I went to the store to buy one snake, and I wound up with
five!"  I've seen this many times.

Well, since I've had my desert kingsnake since April, I've grown attached
to snakes and now own another -- a local store was selling baby corns
(normal and albino) for $25.  Now I know, to a lesser degree, what some
people mean... ;-)  Everything I heard about the corns is true -- they are
just good-natured.

The new corn is about a foot long and is shedding this very instant.  Earlier
in the evening we (Daryl B. and I) fed his new corn, but mine wouldn't eat.
Now I know why...

That's the inside poop for now,
-Brent
From: 71162.3470@CompuServe.COM ("Peter P. Donohue")
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: bats, hog nose snakes, and other misc ramblings
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:01:17 GMT

Hey all,
   Here is some misc. ramblings that I have...

Bats:
   At some point I would be interested in trying to keep bats.  Does
anyone have any experience on these critters?  Does anyone know where
you could get some (I've never seen bats at pet stores)?  Are there laws
against bats in any states?

Hognose Snakes:
   A short while ago, someone asked about keeping Eastern Hognose
snakes.  In short, my advice is not to.  They rarely can be trained to
eat anything besides toads and they quickly loose their tendancy to
play dead or hiss.  A friend had one and had to force feed it pinies
every week.  It ended up dying when a broken tooth (side effect of the
force feeding) got infected.
   If you really like the way they look, get a Western Hognose.  They
more readily take mice (though I have a baby that still hasn't eaten
mice - luckily I have had toads for him).  They don't put on as much of
an act, but they basically look the same.  They are also reasonably
inexpensive (about $35 for a baby from a wholesaler).  It appears that
many people are turned off by the feeding reputation that Eastern
Hognose's have, which has kept the price down.

					Pete
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email: 71162.3470@COMPUSERVE.COM
NOTE:  I do not regularily read this group (it's a long distance call
to access my account with Usenet access).  It would be preferable if any
replies would be emailed directy to this account.
From: rcbi107@muvms3.bitnet (Charles Kyle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Iguana Pamphlet
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:09:42 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

 There is one thing that I have figured out about Iguanas.  Only
pet owners know what to do.  When the pet store in my area told
me that my Iguana was a yearling but actually about three months
old I should have known.  I determined its age due to its nose to
vent length.  So what I have desided to do is compile all the
information that I can so if there is any questions that anyone
has I will at least have some answer and when mine continues to
grow I will know what to do.  If anyone can supply any
information in the following catagories I would be very
appriciative.  I am also a Biology major so I will search out any
information that I can find on the iguana outside captivity.  I
am also taking accurate (as possible) on vitiamin intake, weight,
sheading schedule, and nose to vent length.  If any one has done
any of this to their Ig I would appriciate it.  I am mainly
collective info on the common green iguana.  Specifically the
Iguana iguana iguana.

Catagories:

Food
Handling
Housing
Diseases (and Treatment)
Literature
Sizes and ages

Thanks

Charles Kyle
Marshall University
Huntington, WV

Any comments would be appriciated.
From: 71162.3470@CompuServe.COM ("Peter P. Donohue")
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: bringing herps into California
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:33:11 GMT

Part II of transporting snakes across the country:
   I remember the last time I drove into California that they checked
your car for plants.  Do they also check for animals.  Will snakes be a
problem?
   Also, I have heard that CA limits the types of animals that are
allowed (indiginous ones are limited).  Does anyone know what types,
specifically, are limited.  I was told that Albino variants of the
species are Ok?
   I will post a summary of responses to this and my previous question. 

					Pete


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From: tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler)
Subject: Re: Indigo snakes and filters
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:18:57 GMT

In article <bzandrew.01pt@bbs1984.chi.il.us> bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew) writes:
>In article <66646@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards )
>writes:
>>In article <BtGDG2.IvG.1@cs.cmu.edu> tmohler+@cs.cmu.edu (Tim Mohler) writes:
>>>
>>>Perhaps I could set up a bowl with an aquarium filter somehow?
>>>
>>
>>No aquarium filter, especially that size, will keep the water clean enough
>>after a lizard "uses" it.  My Sailfin uses his water bowl exclusively.  
>>When he gets bigger I will make a *large* terrarium with a big stream running
>>crossways, with a large filter system on it, plus aquatic plants and all
>>that, but until then I change his water every two days.
>>
>>>
>>>Tim
>>
>>Jon 
>I didn't see the original part of this message.  You would not want to have an
>aquarium filtered watered system would you?  My dudes do everything in the
>water, including drink.  I feel much beter about changing the water (unless of
>course you're talking about 100's of gallons).  


Well, I'm not sure exactly what an aquarium filter does.  Does it sterilize
the water? That's bascially what I'm looking for - something to sterilize
and filter the water he drinks from. I figure yes, I change the water, but
sometimes I'm not home for hours after he shits in the bowl, and I'm wondering
whether he might be spectacularly dumb enough to drink out of it.

He's dumb enough to pull all kinds of stunts... I don't trust him with this
either.

On another sad note, I still can handle him much. In fact, he tried to bite me the
other day... sigh. It seems he gets more skittish the longer I have him. He's
been really bad since I moved into my new apartment. Perhaps he is unsettled
by the new surroundings.

On the plus side, I bought my first snake last night - a garter snake.
Figured it CAN'T be difficult to keep a garter, and the price was right -
$10. So far he's been terrifically active, and pleasant, so I'm pleased.

The pet store  told me he'd eat crickets, meal worms, flies, etc. Is this
good for him? Furthermore, since buying crickets at 10 apiece is expensive,
I was wondering if anyoen had the address of that cricket farm in Louisiana?

On a final note: I'm close to moving my savanah into my BIG cage I built for
him - 7'x4'x4' - and I'm looking for "natural" decor, but sand will be too
heavy for that size cage. Do I really want to put anything "diggable" in his
cage? Will he throw it out through the wire?

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: Re:Great herps for sale
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:00:06 GMT

Ok, for all of you hoping to move up to "designer quality herps,"  here are
some goodies for sale:
1.Male green (patternless) burmese, 10 foot male - tame! $1200
2.Albino burmese, tame male and female, 6feet - $450 each - $800 pair.
3.Four exhibit quality argus monitors, should breed next year - stunning! 
   $2500 the group.
4. Male borneo blood python, yearling wildcaught, tame - $400
                  Debra "the giant tegu that feeds us" Frances
All trades also considered                         
                -especially those involving monitors and tegus.
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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Rabbit Raising (Was: Re: Growing Ball Python)
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:42:12 GMT

In article <119310012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave
"New Wave Dave" Ruska) writes:

>I was getting bunnies for about $10 a piece as well until I stumbled across
>a boy and his dad at the local farm supply store. The boy raises rabbits
>for spending money. They gave me their number and said to drop by their
>farm in a week when their next batch would be weaned. When I went to the
>farm the boy said he was "asking" $2 a piece. Sounded like he would
>even settle for less! I gave him $11 for 5 bunnies - he was happy, I was
>happy, and we both looked forward to repeat business.
>
>If you can't find a local rabbit breeder, consider raising your own.
>A cage, a pair of rabbits, and some food (at $7 per 50lbs) would pay
>for itself in a hurry at $10 a bunny.
>

I dream of the day I run into one of these folks, but there aren't too
many farms right around this area.  I'm considering going into
breeding rabbits, but I really -don't- want to get to the point where
I'm spending more time taking care of the snake's food then the snake
itself!  Well, before the year is out I may get there (then I'll have
this vast rabbit supply, so then there will be nothing stopping me
from getting another Burmese, and then I might as well breed them...
uh...).  Anyway, I don't want to turn this into
rec.pets.rabbit.raising, but if anyone has some tips/comments about
rabbit raising, please feel free to e-mail me...
Thanks

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From: ab3n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Bernard Brands)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Reptiles and X-rays
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:16:43 GMT
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I haven't done this with snakes, but as a child I brought home many
Anoles and Geckos from Florida and Hawaii in my suitcase as well as in
my carry-on.  Most of them did well, and some even reproduced, so the
X-rays didn't seem to do them any harm.  I can't think of any reason why
it would be different for snakes.
    -Alex 
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