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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:17:01 -0600
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From:         Remo Ostini-1 <osti0001@STUDENT.TC.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Kohlberg (was RE: Gangs... etc)

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Philip Richins, Continuing Education, CWU, (509) 963-1504 w
   rote:

> Sybil,
> My remarks regarding tribal behavior and eurocentric psychoanalytic theory
> were very much off the cuff.  I have thopght some more about the tribal part
> however.  As I recall, Kohlberg's theory of Moral Development identifies his
> third (of six) stage as being "tribal", wherein behavior is designed to fit in
> and win approval of the immediate group.  This is a diferent (lower) level tha
   n
> mainstream USA and may point to why gang behavior is seen as inherently amoral
   /
> immoral.

Actually, there aren't any stages that are refered to as 'tribal'.  The
third stage is the first Conventional stage and stresses interpersonal
conformity so in a sense it may be related to 'tribal' behaviour.  There
isn't a strong theoretical link between any of the stages and gang behaviour
though.  I think you will also find that more people end up at stage 3
than any of the higher, more 'desirable' or developed stages, at least in
the general public.  There really aren't that many people in stages 4 and
5 and Kohlberg actually withdrew stage 6 as a stage that people actually
attain.

Mind you, I should add that I think Kohlberg's typology has it's
limitations but even within those limitations I don't think the
description of stage 3 as 'tribal' is valid.

Just a point of clarification.

Remo

(Yes I'm still here, I just don't get a chance to write in that often
anymore!)
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Left-handed hand washing
              21 Jan 1993 09:37:04 -0700 from <WAGNERL@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU>

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:37:04 -0700 <WAGNERL@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU> said:
>With regard to the study Matthew Simpson cites regarding the length of
>time required for men to urinate correlated with the proximity of other
>men at adjacent urinals; how was the duration measured?  Did the bladder
>empty faster?  Did the bladder empty less?  Was the time spent unzipping
>and/or shaking shortened?  Was the camera in the lavatory also wired for
>sound?  How wide an angle did the camera view?
>Without answering these questions, the relevance of the results are
>inconclusive IMHO.

Larry, the relevance of the results were completely irrelevant to the
discussion at hand (*er-hem*).  The relevance of the method was targeted
at the issue of ethical treatment of subjects.  The question is, do we
have the right, as researchers, to invade the privacy of others without
asking for their consent.  What constitutes an invasion
privacy?  This is the relevant issue here, not the results of the study.
Perhaps in another discussion the results could be put in question.

Relevance is relative only to some target objective.  The egg-cracking
method of left-handers may be completely irrelevant if your objective is
to study their probability of success.  However, it may be very relevant
if you are trying to teach a left-handed egg-cracker how to make an
omelet.

How's that for cracking two-heads with one egg?
:-)  (ha ha ha ha ha) :-)

Have fun!

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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Eurocentrism?

Sybil,
  Is this on the level? Some people disparage psychoanalytic theory
because it is "Eurocentrist"?  What do they believe in?
Tim
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From:         identimark <tracking@PCCP.COM.AR>
Subject:      ALZHEIMER-DOWN's FAMILY TREATMENT

Hello!

This is Carlos Vazquez from Argentina.
E-Mail:tracking@pccp.com.ar Internet
Postal address: Guemes 4477.piso 7. D. Buenos Aires.(1425)ARGENTINA.

I'm a Clinical Psychologist, specialist in Clinical Neuropsychology &
Alzheimer disease.
My interest focuses on Alzheimer patient's family treatment

* I need info about psychoneurological tests for Alzheimer prediagnosis, and


what kind of assistance is receiving Alzheimer patients' family nowadays.

Is anybody working in this field? I would like to share info and discuss.
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From:         The salacious employer of dubious verbiage
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Subject: Re: CowPlop Fans

Didn't we have this discussion just a few months ago?  (Speak up,
Linsa at Pomona!!)  I am a woman, I watch football whether or not men
are around (and I watched bowl games all New Years and protested when
my boyfriend changed the channel) and I do not perceive it as an
attack on my femininity.        Why are so many women so defensive
about football?  Perhaps they should reexamine their phobia...

(Go Cowboys!!!  And re the first message, lighten up!  It's just a
game!!)

trace

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 Love is either madness, or nothing at all.

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Ninety percent of everything is crap.
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From:         The salacious employer of dubious verbiage
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Subject:      Re: Corn-ventions

Thinking about APS...how about WPA??  A bunch of us are going from
Claremont and (hopefully, presenting)...

we should definately all hook up, if possible...


trace

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There is a charm about the forbidden that makes it
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Ninety percent of everything is crap.
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From:         "JOHN R. KRAFT" <KRAFT@NUHUB.BITNET>
Subject:      Bathroom behavior studies

Thanks for posting about personal space invasion studies.
Reading everyones' posts inspired me to walk over to the
library (about 100 yards) and spend time doing a lit search
on this study (took about five minutes).  Why is it that you
(meaning I) can only find
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:25:34 -0500
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From:         Steven Zikopoulos <szikopou@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: REQUEST E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR Univ. of HULL
              Jan 24, 93 8:23 pm

F16M writes:
>
> Does anyone know the e-mail address for the University of Hull in
> North Humberside, England. More specifically, if one knows the
> e-mail address for the Dept of Psychology, it would be appreciated.
> THANKS!!
>
>
>
>  DAN (F16M@UNB.CA)
>



Try whois searches on the gopher.
Steve Z
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From:         Todd D Nelson <nelsont1@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis
              "WAGNERL@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU" at Jan 26, 93 6:23 pm

Larry,

well put. I couldn't have said it better myself. Good post on the issue.

Todd D. Nelson
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Does the matching hypothesis explain why people look
like their dogs?  Are we copying our dogs' facial
expressions, or are they copying ours'?  Or is it just
that dogs who don't look like their owners experience
less satisfaction with the relationship and run away?
:)  :)  :)  :)     Can you tell I'm in a goofy mood?
                   Jennifer at USC
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Subject:      Re: Corn-ventions

For those of us new to the field, could you please define APS,
ABS, and ASP?  By the way, is that Sturbridge, MA?
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Eurocentrism?

  Yes, well, remaining open to the possibility that a psychological theory
may not be universal could be said of any idea.  I had the impression that
Sybil was saying that some members of minorities in America don't believe
in psychoanalytic theory because it originated in Europe.
Tim
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From:         Jeremy Miles <xoct304@DERBY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Reference for generabilisility theory

A colleague was asking yesterday about generalisibility theory
and I noticed on her desk the following reference: (I don't know if it's
what you want, 'cos I haven't read it).
Shavelson RJ, Webb NM & Rowley GL, (1989) Generabilisity Theory,
        American Psychologist, June 1989, pgs 922-932

cheers,

Jez

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From:         Jon Abramowitz <abramwtz@CORAL.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject:      matching hypothesis

I have been doing some reading about the matching hypothesis (after all, i
posted the original question about it).  There seem to be two strong
schools on why romantic partners (and I guess same sex friends) match.

One of them was touched on my someone here.  It has to do with the "rating
and dating", or marketplace theory.  In the best possible situation, we want
to go out with someone as good looking as possible.  However, those more
attractive than ourselves are thinking the same thing, so all of the highly
attractive people end up with each other.  The people at the next level
can then end up with others at or below this level, however, because we
want the best looking people, we choose someone at this level; and on down
the line.

Why should we want the best looking people, and, more appropriately, why
does this matching idea seem to work?  Well, what is usually the first
thing we notice about someone?  A step further- what is USUALLY the reason
that we even decide that we want to get to know someone better?  Physical
attractiveness.  This kind of makes sense? ya think?

The other theory was an equity theory.  Let's face it, even though we'd
like not to admit it, physical attractiveness is an important social
influence.  All of the "Beautiful is Good" stuff (Berscheid and Walster, et
al) and the Landy and Sigall stuff with "beauty is talent"- it's been
replicated over and over.  So, it makes sense that when two people get
together, physical attractiveness would be a highly valued resource.  If
you subscribe to equity theory, we are always tring to reduce differences
in equity between us and others so that all is equal.  If someone
extremely attractive dates someone truly ugly, there is disparity between
the amount of resources each person brings to the relationship.  Some
might try to make up for it with money or other resources, hence why you
see some older men with younger women.  Youth is highly valued and viewed
as more attractive.

What does everyone think of these theories?  Interesting, huh?

Jon A.
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From:         PCABE@PEMBVAX1.PEMBROKE.EDU
Subject:      RE: handwashing ethics

Betty,
...want to review what the "handwashing study" is, for the benefit of us
late-comers?
Pat Cabe
Pembroke State Univ.
Pembroke, NC 28372
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From:         Jeremy Miles <xoct304@DERBY.AC.UK>
Subject:      The Bathroom Study Reference

The Reference is:
Middlemist RD, Knowles ES, & Matter EF  (1976)
'Personal space invasions in the bathroom: suggestive evidence for
arousal' Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 33 (5): 541-6







Cheers, Jeremy Miles

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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More on Bathroom behavior studies. (try again)

   I don't go in for making splashing noises.  I usually expose one of my
canine teeth and growly slowly.  If anyone comes closer after that, I
bite them on the back of the neck.
   Sticking to the Sociobiological theory,
Tim
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      RE: handwashing ethics
              21, 93 11:40 am

>
> I remember reading about and laughing about that men's bathroom study also
> as an undergraduate.  It was my social behavior experimental class.  I
> think, however, the topic it was used to illustrare was ETHICS!!!!!!
>
> Anyone know where (and when, for that matter) that was done?
>
> Jon A.
>

I don't know about the "pee study", however in one of my anthropology
classes (and later in a grad psych seminar) the Humphrey's study of
Gay Men was brought up in Ethical debates (I think the title of whatever
article he wrote was called something like The Tea-room Trade).  This guy
served as a lookout for men having sex in a public park bathroom.  As he
did this, he somehow wrote downt their licence plate numbers, then went
to the DMV and got their names and addresses.  Then, he went to their house
and said he was part of some Census-like study and got all sorts of info
about them and their lives.  The result was that gay men came from all
sorts  of backgrounds (married, single, rich, poor, profesional, unemployed,
and so forth), which was a revelation for a lot of people.
        Has anyone else read about this?  Do you think the ends justified
the means in this case?  He never gave out the names of the people (I think
he destroyed the list).
Have fun!
SF

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From:         s sympson <SSYMPSON@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: CowPlop Fans

Desirability scale.  Can't find mine and I'm in the middle of trying to
analyze my data.  If so, please send me a copy of the scoring procedure.
Thanks in advance.
                   susie
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From:         mssg3304@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma

>Does anyone know if there is a set of Prisoner's Dilemma
>materials which are available for purchase for running
>the experiment and/or does anyone know where the instructions
>are for making them?
>

There are umpteen quadbillion studies that have been done using prisoner's
dilemma (PD) games.  It isn't necessary to use a kit - you can do it
yourself.  A few references worth looking at if you want to put together a
bargaining exercise are:

Dawes, Robyn M. Rational Choice in an Uncertain World, Orlando, Florida,
  Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1988.

Dawes, Robyn M. Social Dilemmas. Annual Review of Psychology, 1980, v.31,
169-193.

Murnighan, J. Keith, Bargaining Games: A new approach to Strategic Thinking
in Negotiations. William Morrow and Sons, 1992.

PD games are very interesting and a lot of fun...as long as you aren't
thinking of writing a paper about the results.  The relevant literature is
huge.  If you have any other questions, let me know.

Michael Saxon
University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana
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Subject:      Need a little help...

Dear NetFolk,

I aplogize if this is not the most appropriate forum to
address my question, but I'm at a loss as to where I can
find answers to my questions via the Internet.  I've tried
to contact the list adminstrator, but my mail just bounces
back due to "address unknown" failures.

I've recently subscribed to PSYCGRAD, IOOB-l, PSYC, and
SMDM-L.  The reason in doing so, is that I am at a point in
my life where I need to get some counseling of some sort.
Being a computer junkie, the Internet Groups seemed like the
most logical place to start asking some questions.

After reading the "welcome" letters, it seems that these
lists are more for folks who are actively involved in
psychology or some other closely related field.

I am prepared to seek counseling, whoever I am a U.S.
Government employee, working for the FAA as an Air Traffic
Controller.  The moment that the FAA discovers that I'm
being counseled, my security clearance is pulled and my
medical certificate is pulled.  I could very well be out of
a job.

I need to get in touch with someone who can answer questions
regarding 1) how to select a psychologist, 2) how much will
my privacy be protected, 3) what type of psychologist should
I seek, 4) etc. etc. etc.

The FAA offers a program called EAP, Employee Assistance
Program, but I've already witnessed to fellow workers get
fired for seeking help from this organization regarding
drinking problems.

My health care provider, Kaiser Permanente, says that it
will be at least six weeks before I can even get an initial
counsultation, and then I'll just be placed in Group
Therapy.  Of course, if I tell them that I'm experiencing
certain "key feelings", they will be more than happy to
admit me to the psych unit.  But then this exposes the
problem to the FAA.  Kaiser also says that is is VERY common
for the U.S. Government to rifle through medical records.
They could not guarantee my privacy.

If any of you would be willing to correspond with me in this
matter or direct me to the most approprate list to ask such
questions, I'd be most appreciative.

Peter D. Nesbitt

pnesbitt@mcimail.com
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Subject:      Re: ACTION ALERT!!

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:47:00 EST Kathryn Irene Snyder said:
>Matthew,
>I would gladly nominate you, I think you've done a remarkable job with
>Psycgrad-all. I am an affiliate of APS: does that count? I am not 100%
>clear on the relationship between APA and APS when it comes to things
>like this.
>Irene Snyder
>irenes@unc.bitnet

Evidently, the material I have says that both nominator and nominee must
be student affiliates of APA (members of APAGS).  APS is a different org.
all together.  I would like to more synergy between the two in the future,
BTW.  It's a shame that APA does not give people who opt for APS the support
they need.

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