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From: Gerry Hobbs
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 'Ol George goes for 3000, BUT ...
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu
Organization: WVU Department of Stat & Cs

It looks like Brett has a pretty good chance at getting to 3000
hits this year. I wonder about the price to the Royals though. I mean
George is still a reasonable player with decent numbers in a
tough park (no Pete Rose story here) but it seems he has stopped
walking (hurting the team) in order to facilitate the effort. If
you look at his AB/BB ratios throughout his career you see that
he didn't walk a lot when he came up. The ratio was 21+ in his
rookie year and around 14 for couple years after that. Then he
made a major correction and the ratios went to 10, then stayed
mostly in the 5-7 range thru 1988. It jumped to 8 in 1989, 10
in 1990, I don't have '91 handy. This year the ratio is 15. Other
explanations are possible but I guess I think George is looking for
hits at the expense of walks. He's not the first guy to substitute
personal goals for team success but it's distasteful to see it.
          Gerry
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: jose fits in texas
Keywords: canseco
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:15:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.162616.13549@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:
|> 
|> Well now I've got another reason to hate texas:
|> jose is there.
|> 
|> interesting trade, I think josie is a perfect fit for texas:
|> Big bat, big mouth, big head in the BIG state.
|> hell, texans won't even mind if he drives around with a gun
|> in his car down there...

  What are you talking about? I thought that California was the state
  where all the drivers on the freeways had guns.

-Ron


|> 
|> 
|>  "I want all my garmonbozia"   -LMFAP
|> .....................................
|> -=====-                        -=====-
|>   -=-   exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU   -=-
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|> 
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From: kirk@benchman.b11.ingr.com (Kirk Boley)
Subject: Thanks for info about Rangers games
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: None recognizable
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:44:17 GMT

	Thanks to all the people who have sent me info about the
Rangers' games Sep. 20-25. I'm going to try and get a ticket for Friday night
if I can.
					Again, thanks.

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From: Graham_Sloan@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Graham Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:07:23 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

I completely agree with you. One need only look at the numbers. Maddux is
second in wins behind only Glavine; 2nd in ERA, Glavine is at the end of
the leaders list; Maddux is first in innings pitched and has been almost
all year; Maddux is 4th in strikeouts, Glavine isn't even on the leaders
list; Maddux is second in complete games with one more than Glavine; Maddux
has three shutouts, Glavine has five. Maddux gives up fewer hits per nine
than Glavine, about the same number of walks per nine, and gets more
strikeouts per nine. Maddux'x opposition versus batting average is
significantly lower than Glavine's and is among the league leaders. Also,
not that it should come into the Cy Young decision, but Maddux is an
EXCELLENT fielder and has won the Gold Glover the past two years. The Cubs
MUST resign him. Looks to me like Glavine leads in only two categories:
Wins (the Cubs have been shutout in 7 of Maddux's 10 losses, have scored a
total of three runs in the other 3) and shutouts (woopty doo, Maddux still
has a significantly lower ERA). It also appears like Glavine might be
buckling a bit now that we're later on in the season... Maddux is
definitely not..

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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From: silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:29:02 GMT

Let's not forget Vince Lombardi as himself, and many of the Detroit Lions as 
themselves, in the film version of George Plimpton's "Paper Lion".
-- 
ami silberman - janitor of lunacy
	silber@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: curve@netcom.com (My Name is Your Fate)
Subject: Re: Canseco
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 03:53:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <> heartlab@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Heartlab People) writes:
>There has always been a cloud around Jose Canseco. People always wondering
>what he could have done if he had played in a hitters park. Well he's
>finally out of Oakland, and in Texas, where he is in a fine hitters park.

Everyone keeps saying this, but the Rangers are moving into a new park.
(Next year?  Year after?  One of the two).  Who knows how that park will
treat hitters; regardless of how it's designed, it'll probably take a
season to figure out whether it's more of a boon to hitters or pitchers.
Not knowing anything about what the park's supposed to be like, it could
turn out to be another Coliseum, or perhaps Canseco's private Coliseum...
not likely in the Texas heat, but you never know.

>My question is, if Canseco rests fully in the off-season and totally 
>heals, what sort of homerun numbers could we expect from him? 40-50-60?

Figure 40's.


Curve@netcom.com	|  What is the difference between apathy and ignorance?
			|  I don't know, and I don't care!

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:25:53 GMT

In article <Aug.27.15.01.47.1992.11902@remus.rutgers.edu> zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf) writes:
>
>Know something?  Boggs usually hit around .305-.310 on the road and .340-.360
>at Fenway.  Usually.

I thought I'd post some stats on this...  Boggs' *career* road average
is around .305, but over the last few years he hasn't been close.
Thanks to Mike Fester for finding me the stats!

 	 AB	  H	2b	HR	BB	AVG	SLG	OBP
1989	321	 92	14	 1	 50	.287	.358	.386
1990	310	 76	14	 3	 35	.245	.350	.320
1991	294	 83	14	 2	 42	.282	.350	.368
1992						.302

It looks to *me* like Boggs usually hits around .280 on the road these
days.  But an empty .280, with practically no power and only a "pretty
good" OBP.

How much is this worth to you?  How much is this player worth to you
when he is three years older?

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Red Sox poll?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:49:55 GMT

gan@igc.apc.org (Global Action Network) writes:


>I'm polling all of my baseball friends.  Who should the Red Sox
>fire?
>          (a) Butch Hobson

Not yet.
>          (b) Lou Gorman

Bye, bye, Louie!

>          (c) Roving Hitting Instructor Jim Rice

See Hobson.

>          (d) Jack Clark's financial advisor

If he does get fired, he would just go to work for the Congress.

>In retro, I think the Sox are the only team in baseball who 
>only need to protect two players, Clemens and Viola, in the 
>upcoming draft.

Jody Reed, too.

>Series or Cellar, We love our Sox!

But it sure ain't easy!

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From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.baseball,fj.rec.baseball
Subject: Japan Central League
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:52:41 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Labs. Musashino, Tokyo

Japan Central League Standing (Through games on Thuesday September 1st)

                        W   L   T   Pct.   GB
Yakult Swallows        57  44   0  .564    --
Hanshin Tigers         56  49   1  .533    3.0
Yomiuri Giants         57  51   0  .528    3.5
Hiroshima Carp         53  50   0  .515    5.0
Taiyo Whales           48  58   1  .453   11.5
Chinichi Dragons       43  62   0  .410   16.0
-------

 The game between Yakult Swallows and Yomiuri Giants on Tuesday September 1st
was an exciting one. Takahiro Ikeyama slammed a sayonara homer over the 
centre-field fence as pace-setting Yakult Swallows drilled three homers to beat
detestable Yomiuri Giants at Tokyo's Jingu Stadium.
 Tied 3-3 with no outs in the bottom of the ninth, Ikeyama logged his 24th 
homer of the season by smashing a 1-0 pitch off Yomiuri Giants starter Hiromi
Makihara.
 My nerves were stimulated by the game and I could not get to sleep last night.

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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:30:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.172239.27782@julian.uwo.ca> heartlab@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Heartlab People) writes:
>>They'll send Sprague as soon as they get arrangements for a back-up
>>catcher.
>
>The Jays already have a back-up catcher up in the majors. They have of
>course Pat Borders and Eddy Sprague, but they also have Randy Knorr. In
>fact, he (Knorr) has been playing just as much as Sprague has in the
>past few weeks. So, if the Jays do in fact ship Sprague of to the Mets
>with Jeff Kent, their lack of players in the catching position is
>already solved.
>
Knorr had surgery on his thumb a few days ago, and is out for the
season.

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Players value
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:10:39 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep4.173755.13592@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>Andy Benes - seems to be more of a victim of spotty run support than 
>             anything, but the world was expecting a break-through year.
>             I think he has the ability to be one of the best pitchers 
>             in baseball.  It's too bad the owners seem to only see the 
>             pitchers W-L column, which really doesn't mean much.


Benes is one of those guys who is really puzzling. Throws hard, has
a decent breaking pitch, has decent control, doesn't appear to be
stupid yet although his W-L record is deceiving, he hasn't been
that great of a pitcher either.

One theory I've heard more than once is that Benito Santiago is perhaps
the worst guy in the game at calling pitches(I have no idea who is good
or who isn't, this is strictly what I've heard), Benes was primarily a
basketball player until his he got to college, wasn't good enough at hoops,
and decided to concentrate on baseball, so although he appears to be
intelligent, he is still learning how to pitch, so having a catcher
who might not call a game well would probably hurt him a lot more than
it would other pitchers.

The other thing is something I heard Will Clark say about Benes on a
radio show, and that is that Benes loses velocity and movement when
he pitches from the stretch, so he's much more hittable when he has
runners on base, so he tends to bunch his hits and give up runs
without seeming to be hit hard in most of the innings.

I'd still like to have him if I was a GM.



Russ Smith
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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Cone and Overwork?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:06:56 GMT

hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:

>In article <BtvMw9.EwH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:
>>If anyone wants to know why Cone has had a tired arm lately, just look to a
>>game earlier this summer in which Cone through a 166-pitch game for the Mets.
>>One of my writers mentioned this to me and then told me Cone started slipping
>>for the year right after that outing.  If you ask me, Jeff Torborg should be
>>fired just for that.  NOBODY can go that long (aside from maybe Tim Wakefield
>>if the knuckler is on, but that's a different story).

>But that's really the question.  If the Mets had decided they weren't going to 
>re-sign Cone, then Torborg was just gambling that the effects wouldn't be that
>great this year, even though consistently overpitching Cone might be detri-
>mental in the long run.  Given all the other problems the Mets have had, it
>doesn't look like Cone getting tired cost them very much.  They'd be out of 
>the race anyway.  If Torborg knew Cone wasn't going to be a Met in '93, it 
>isn't clear to me that he mishandled Cone from a long-term _Mets'_ perspective.
>(From Cone's perspective he might have, but not from the Mets.)

I just read something (SI? newspaper?) where Cone was asking the same
questions.  Does this mean pitchers will have their contracts written so
that they can pull themselves in the future?

Hi Harold!
Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
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From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: Re: Cone Rationalization
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:00:09 GMT

dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025) writes:
>Saberhagen for Cone
>Kent, Pecota, PTBNL for Jeffries, Miller, McReynolds

this assumes that there is some sort of 'conservation of bad trades' law
that will work itself out in all cases... :)

seriously, though, i still think the mets got the better end of the deal.
they traded a pitcher they were going to release anyway, got two
prospects.  the jays, meanwhile, got to (effectively) rent a pitcher for
a month (or two, if they (ha) go to the series) and, as someone pointed
out, probably won't give him a five-year deal anyway.

as for defense, the mets curretnly have an excess of outfielders and
a shortage of infielders, particularly 3b.  they no longer have the
pitching monopoly they once did, but if and gooden and saberhagen turn
healthy, we could see some magic.

as for teh jays, to paraphrase a red-sox fan's rationale recently,
the american league is boring because i don't follow it.  and, because it's
so boring, i don't follow it.

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Deliberate loss?
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:07:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Sep3.155444.10035@gallant.apple.com> chuq@gallant.apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>Just as a reminder, a 'deliberate loss' is considered a fixed game, and if
>the league felt that a team deliberately threw a game, there would be lots
>of repercussions, possible fines, suspensions, whatever. Just ask the Black
>Sox.
>
Are they in town !!!?   :}

Remember this too, though.  A team may well decide to "rest its starters" for the big
game coming up.  Furthermore, if a team felt it's chances of WINNING the pennant
would be increased by LOSING a game, then why shouln't they be able to just say
"we don't want to play today, sorry."  If that doesn't work (it probably won't)
the manager can just have his players hang about in the lockerroom till 15 mins.
after scheduled start.  Why not?

RStimets
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Keywords: Flabbergasted Mets' Fans Demand to Know
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.214710.29968@news.columbia.edu> mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>
>Heard that rumor is that the Mets will get Ryan Thompson as the PTBNL.

Might as well cover him too, while I'm at it...

Age: 24
Position: OF
Career stats:
Year	Level	 AB	 BA  OBP  SLG
1987	R	110	.245/.284/.318
1988	low-A	57	.175/.447/.246
	high-A	29	.138/.219/.241
1989	low-A	278	.273/.319/.396
1990	high-A	438	.231/.265/.329
1991	AA	403	.241/.291/.350
1992	AAA	385	.291/????/.478

Personally I prefer Sprague.  A stronger history, more experience, and
a harder defensive position.  But Jeff Kent is the best of the three.
(And Derek Bell, also rumored to be the PTBNL, is better than any of
the above.)  This PTBNL could be interesting...

Cheers,
-Valentine

-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: dudgeon@milton.u.washington.edu (Doug Dudgeon)
Subject: triple play O's & M's 8/30
Reply-To:  dudgeon@cheme.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:52:45 GMT

I was there.  I saw the play.  I still don't understand how they got two outs
at second base.  Can someone explain?
-- 
Doug Dudgeon                              Dept. of Chemical Engineering, BF-10
dudgeon@opus.cheme.washington.edu         University of Washington, Seattle
From: gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Waivers
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:55:12 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering


Is there a limit to the number of claims each team gets?  If so, how many and
for what period of time are they good for?


-Gene
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clark traded from the Sox?
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:52:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug27.145730.1337@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>For those of you not in Boston, there was an interesting story on the
>news last night that basically pointed out that, in preparation for
>the upcoming West Coast trip, Clark has cleaned out his locker at
>Fenway. Now, normally, this wouldn't be of much concern except that the
>same news report ALSO pointed out that his NAMEPLATE was removed from
>the locker too... so basically, his locker was no longer his. Was he
>traded? Did he just sell the nameplate for some money? (low blow I know) :)
>Where is Clark going?
>
>-- Venk --

Debtors' Prison?

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| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |   Dave Fleming for Rookie of the Year! |
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From: mcp@drutx.ATT.COM (Mike Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Last regular season AAA game in Denver
Keywords: Adios, AAA, Hello show
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:00:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Denver


I attended the last regular season AAA ball game in
Denver last night.  The Zephyrs won, beating Ok City 
9-3 to move into first place in their division.  They play 
three in Omaha starting today and finish the season in Iowa 
this weekend.  If they stay in first, they will be back in 
Denver for up to three playoff games.

Lots of memories were flying around Mile High Stadium last 
evening as the Z's took the field.  I remember sitting
along the first base line with my dad (now gone) and brothers in 
Bear's Stadium in the pre-Bronco's era and watching the
great Yankee farm teams.  Richardson, Kubek, and others
came through Denver on the way up.  Billy Martin managed
here for awhile.

Another great era was the Montreal period when guys like
Tim Raines and Andre Dawson were in AAA.  Or the Cincinnati
years with guys like Barry Larkin tearing up the league.  
There were down years as well, but the good ones, of course, 
stand out.

About 23,000 people showed up for the game.  Many wore their
Rockies caps and some even purchased the seats they have reserved
for their season tickets.  I wore my Z's hat.  This season, at 
least for me, still belongs to the young guys trying to make it
and the old guys at the end of their careers who make up the
minor league teams.  I'm as happy as anyone that Denver is joining
the major leagues, and I will be a big Rockies fan.  But it was
fun while it lasted, having minor league ball in Denver.

Thanks, Zephyrs, and thanks Bears. To borrow some words from W. P.
Kinsella:

               "The one constant through all the years, Ray,
               has been baseball.
 
               America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers.
               It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt,
               and erased again, but baseball has marked the time.
 
               This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray.
               It reminds us of all that once was good, 
               and that could be again."
 
Mike Paugh                Reading departure signs in some big airport
AT&T Bell Labs            Reminds me of the places I've been.
Denver                      -- Jimmy Buffett --
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