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From: djordan@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (David Jordan)
Subject: Re: Wheat Waffles
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:21:34 GMT


 
Melody

Marilyn Diamond "The American Vegetarian Cookbook: Recipes from the
Fit-for-Life Kitchen"  has a good vegan waffle recipe.  It's a little
heavy for pancakes, but the waffles are terrific.  If you don't have
easy access to the book, e-mail me and I'll send you the recipe.

David Jordan
djordan@spartan.ac.Brocku.ca

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: Is there a Wheat pancake and waffles mix on the market, if not does
: anyone have a recipe for making the batter from scrath?
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From: conbio@igc.apc.org (Center for Conservation Biology)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Worst Recipes (Who writes these coo
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:49:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:92279.102916JSG2@psuvm.psu.edu:1765181556:cdp:1451200010:000:1125
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!conbio    Oct  7 12:49:00 1992


A recent issue of _Vegetarian Times_ had an interview with
Mollie Katzen (of Moosewood cookbooks fame).  She said that the
reason that her first two books (_Moosewood_ and _Enchanted Broccoli
Forest_) are so heavy on dairy products (lots of cheese,
especially, and eggs too; overall very fatty recipes in general)
is that at the time she wrote them, vegetarianism was not
terribly popular.  Apparently many critics of veg diets claimed
that dairy products were essential to a healthy veg diet; bowing
to her perception of consumer pressure, she made sure that her
recipes were heavy on the dairy, thus appeasing these folks.

She has recently revised _Moosewood_, notably to cut out much
of the dairy.  I haven't seen the book, but just saw a notice
from a local store that it's now available.  All of us who are
(partial or complete) fans of the original books will probably
want to check this out.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
Kathy Switky
CONBIO@igc   *or*   KRSWIT@leland.stanford.edu

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From: nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen)
Subject: Re: slow-cooker recipes
Organization: NRL
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:29:13 GMT

I always make long-cooking beans (i.e., other than lentils or small Indian dhals)
in a crockpot --- they don't need any attention, and taste fine. Just soak them
overnight in water to cover by a couple of inches, drain the water the next day, and 
place beans in crockpot with enough water to cover by an inch or so.  Start the cooker
and go do better things for several hours. FYI, big/hard beans can take over 12 hrs. 
to cook, so factor that in if you need the beans by a certain time. You can also add
spices, onions, etc. to the pot for added flavor. Stir occasionally, to keep them
from sticking/burning on the bottom, and use the taste test to see when they're done.
Cooking times can vary widely even for the same kind of bean, depending on their initial
moisture content and age. 

If you want specific recipes, email me and I'll send you a couple I picked up off the
net.  Good luck!

Judy Karpen
karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil                       "... gecko-roman wrestling..."
From: dsouza@hplred.HP.COM (Roy D'Souza)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:45:42 GMT
Subject: Question on Buddhism and Vegetarianism
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg


Vegetarianism and Buddhism:

Hi,

A couple of quick questions on vegetarianism and Buddhism:

1) One of the percepts for Buddhist Monks is a restriction against eating
after noon. One source explained this to me as purely an aid to meditation.
Another mentioned that eating in the mornings and abstaining in the afternoons
matches the body's metabolism cycle, hence results in less fat gain.
Does this latter claim have any basis?

2) I understand that the first percept for Buddhists (Monks and lay people)
is to refrain from killing. This is often interpreted as requiring a Buddhist
to be a vegetarian. (Though some interpret this to allow one to eat meat
if one has not actually killed the animal.) Anyway, my question is this: 
A book that I recently read, claims that Gauthama Buddha died from eating
"tainted pork." Does anybody know if this is really accepted as a historical
fact?

Thanks,

R.

Please reply to: dsouza@hpl.hp.com
From: debra@creatures.cs.vt.edu (Debra Potts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Suggestions for wedding reception
Keywords: menu, suggestions
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:19:42 GMT

Well, I went through all the very nice suggestions for your wedding recep-
tion before drafting this response, just to make sure some other quick
thinking soul hadn't already posted my idea.

There is a lovely cookbook by Ginny Callan, called "Horn of the Moon
Cafe" cookbook.  Horn of the Moon Cafe is in Montpelier (I think), Vermont,
and is a highly acclaimed little vegetarian paradise.  In her cookbook,
which is wonderful on its own merits (my copy is so tattered and food
splattered that you KNOW it is well loved!), she has some menu suggestions
for special type events--like weddings.  I do believe she includes a
few recipes in wedding-strength sizes, too!

A recent issue of the Vegetarian Times also had a nice, elegant looking
spread on the vegetarian wedding.  I cannot remember which issue, though.
I will look it up for you if you like; please email me if you cannot find
the issue and I'll let you know (it should be between May and August, and
--given the general time line for weddings--is probably the JUNE issue!

		HAPPY WEDDING DAY!  Please post and let all of us know
		how everything went!

p.s. (I agree with the one poster's suggestion about non-alcohol champagne
      and/or wine, if you happen to like wine and champagne, because these
      non-alcoholic beverages are usually as good as, if not better than,
      their inebriating counterparts!  yumm....)     

debbie
From: dorseyev@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Edward V. Dorsey IV)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: where food comes *from* (was: What's wrong wi
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:35:08 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Oct7.170729.2828@nic.csu.net> ekeller@calstatela.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.203951.26254@socrates.umd.edu>, tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott) writes:
>[ skipping some of the included article excerpts...]
>|> 
>|> This whole thread is a good point.  I hate seeing the "parental
>|> discrention is advised" when a graffic item is shown on tv.  I think
>|> children SHOULD see things for what they really are.  Children should
>|> be able to see a cow being butchered in a slaughterhouse.  Yes, it is
>|> graffic, and totally disgusting.  That's the point.  Children need to
>|> see the truth and not be coddled.  Everytime I run into parents or

[lots of stuff deleted]

I think honesty is important in all things, ESPECIALLY in dealing with
children.  I'm not sure, however, that your logic in exposing children
to slaughter would necessarily convert them into vegans.  I say this
because long ago, when children were a part of this process, they didn't
refuse meat as a result.  Granted, the means are different in some cases
today than in eras past, but slaughtering is slaughtering, and if it
were so abhorrant (sp?) as to render everyone unable toeat meat, this
would have happened long ago.

I am working on the assumption that this was one of your points, given
the post and the group to which it was posted.  My apologies if I have
misinterpreted, though I think this argument has importance regardless.

-Ed Dorsey
From: ayf@pruxp.att.com (Avi Feldblum)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Question on kosher gelatin
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:39:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Oct8.163949.21253
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <3113@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>There was a question on rec.food.veg recently about what exactly kosher
>gelatin is made out of.  Someone posted the following in response:
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>A similar thread took place last spring some time, and I remember
>that someone said that kosher gelatin could, in fact, be made from
>animals.  The thinking was something along the lines that there is
>so much processing done to the animal bones to make gelatin, that
>even though it ended up in (milk-based) yogurt, it did not violate
>the milk-meat rule.  So the upshot was that one can't really be 
>sure that kosher gelatin is vegetarian.  Better to look for
>products that explicitly say "agar-agar."  (Which are not that common.)
>
>Anyone remember this, and/or have any further knowledge on the matter?
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Could someone who is knowledgable on the subject please answer?  Note I've
>set the followup to rec.food.veg.

I hope this has not been already asnwered 100 times, but as this is
coming from soc.culture.jewish, I don't know what already was sent to
rec.food.veg.

The answer basically is that in a theoretical sense, the above is
correct. One can make "kosher gelatin" from the bones of animals. It is
required that all the meat first be removed, and then the bones fully
be dried out, either by letting them sit for 12 months or through
chemical processing. It is also required to completely clean out the
geletin manufacturing facility. This was actually done once, about 20
years ago. All geletin from that run ran out many years ago. I am
pretty sure that there is no "kosher gelatin" currently available from
animal source. HOWEVER, there is one major and one one minor caveat to
that. The above is only true of products under orthodox jewish
supervision, e.g. the item has an OU, OK or chaf-K mark on the
item. There are products, marshmellows around passover time is what
comes to mind, that lists itself as "kosher" and has "kosher gelatin"
listed on the ingredients, that are not under orthodox supervision, are
not considered kosher by the orthodox consumer and do contain
animal-based gelatin. The second caveat is that there MAY be a source
of fish-bone based gelatin. From a kosher perspective, this does not
have the problems of an animal-based gelatin, while from a vegetarian
perspective it may be the same (I plead ignorance on this subject). At
one time (about 10-15 years ago) some of the Penn Maid dairy products
(yogurt and maybe sour cream) used this gelatin. I don't think it
currently does, but it is not impossible.

As I do not read this newsgroup, if anyone has more detailed questions,
please send me email. Hope this is of interest to some of you.

Avi Feldblum
feldblum@att.com
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Question on Buddhism and Vegetarianism
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:47:39 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

dsouza@hplred.HP.COM (Roy D'Souza) writes:

>A book that I recently read, claims that Gauthama Buddha died from eating
>"tainted pork." Does anybody know if this is really accepted as a historical
>fact?

     I've read in a few places that he got some bad _mushrooms_, not pork.
A lesson to amatur mycologists everywhere. (The mushroom version is
given in Huston Smith's _The Religions of Man_. (I highly recommend this
book to everyone, btw.))

     The mushrooms were accidently served by one of his followers, a
smith named Cunda. The Buddha's last request to his companions was
that the tell Cunda that of all the meals he had eaten, two stood out
as exceptional blessings. One was the meal given to him under the Bo
tree that gave him the strength to reach enlightenment; the other was
Cunda's meal that opened up the final gates to Nirvana.

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From: mgrebus@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Big D)
Subject: Re: Health Food Stores
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:03:21 GMT

<3139@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) sez:
> I see that you're in Bethlehem, PA:  Rodale Press is somewhere very close
> to you (in a neighboring town, I forget exactly which one).

the Rodale Press is located in Emmaus, PA.

> Try giving
> them a call, they should be able to steer you towards the kind of stores
> you're looking for.

she's probably right.  good luck.

Big D
From: randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd)
Subject: Re: Another question about bulking up for veggies
Reply-To: randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd)
Organization: RDR, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:23:27 GMT

Paul Fidler writes
> Here's something else: You don't need a book.  Just lift weights,
> and increase your calorie intake, without increasing your fat
> intake.  It's really that simple, unless you're planning to go into
> competition ASAP.

I'm not lifting weights for bulk, but have generally not had a good  
response with the weight lifting.

Well okay I didn't go nuts, like eating a pound of pasta four times a   
day, but I have been eating high carbo foods for breakfast and lunch  
(oatmeal, grain cereal, noodles, pasta, etc) and have been trying to  
do the rice and bean/legume thing for dinner.  I think my problem is  
that I do a lot of aerobic workouts too (20-30 minutes on the  
exercise bike, 30-40 miles on the outdoor bike, etc).

My diet is not even vegan -- I still have yogurt and cheese  
occasionally.

I posted about a week ago asking about this, but haven't heard  
anything yet.


Randy
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jclose@chesapeake.ads.com (Jeff Close)
Subject: Re: eat fat or faint?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems division of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:04:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.205927.15367@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> kv2@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Hello! I'm slowly but surely changing into a lacto-ovo vegetarian, but have
>run into a big problem. I'm hypoglycemic, and it seems when i stick to a
>veggie diet i have to eat more often than when i eat meat to maintain my
>blood sugar levels. I can accept this, but i'm having a hard time finding
>snacks that arenn't high in fat, yet are easy to carry around. Sunflower
>seeds and peanuts work great, but are very high in calories :( . But i find
>that foods like apples and milk don't hold me over for very long. Help! I
>end up overeating just so i don't feel like i'm going to faint. Should i
>try eating less at lunch and more mid-afternoon?  I also tend to have trouble
>about an hour and a half after dinner. Should i try eating my dinner in
>two parts? 
>
>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
>
>Lucie Melahn
>kv2@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Lucie,

I'm not sure if you were implying that you  were aware of this, but nuts and
seeds are VERY high in fat.  I have the same problem, so to speak, that you do,
and the same goal of eating low-fat.  I don't know if you exercise, but I run
and find that as a result I can burn about as much complex carbo as I can eat,
so that's a good snack for me (I love pretzels and all kinds of bread). How-
ever, it sometimes doesn't really hold me since I burn it that way, and for
those times a yogurt usually does.  It seems to get metabolized very different-
ly from the bread.  As far as eating more at lunch or whenever, I tend to eat
a medium to small lunch (I can't eat too much at once anyway), and eat a little
practically all day.  I also have problems after dinner sometimes, but I don't
want to eat too late just before going to bed; I HAVE found that cheese or a
good protein combination (bean/rice et al.) lasts a lot longer than straight
carbo (soup & salad or whatever).

ENough of my food diary.. I'd be interested to hear if any of this
applies to you.

Jeffrey
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From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Societies
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:14:44 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Richard Darsie writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <18183@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
> I'm looking for people out there in netland who belong to a local
> vegetarian
> society in their community? I'm thinking of trying to organize one here
> in Davis, and would like stories of your experiences, how your society is
> organized, what kinds of activities you have, goals of your society, etc.
> Thanks in advance.

I belong to a group here in Vancouver called Canada Earthsave.   The society
describes itself as follows: "an educational non-profit organization that
promotes awareness of the environmental and health consequences of our food
choices.  We advocate eating lower on the food chain for better health, a
cleaner environment, and a more compassionate world."

As for activities, there are seminars, workshops, cooking classes, media
campaigns, information booths at events like the Pacific National Exhibition,
etc.   (I get most of this info from their pamphlet, although I have seen
some of these things with my very own eyes ;)  There's also a quarterly
newsletter which is pretty good.  And as if that isn't enough, there is an
EarthSave Toastmasters group, too.


The best part, IMHO, is the food.  Canada Earthsave organizes a monthly
potluck dinner and the food there is nummy.   Everybody brings a vegan dish,
and there's LOTS of food to eat.  Over 100 people at some of these potlucks,
and there is talk of establishing Earthsave potlucks in different areas of
the city and surrounding suburbs in order to 1) reach more people and 2) make
the current potluck a little less crowded.  (On the verge of running out of
room!)

I think the potlucks are a great idea as they attract so many new people.

BTW, the American EarthSave society was established by John Robbins.   In his
most recent book, he suggests that readers write to the Santa Cruz office of
EarthSave (P.O. Box 68, Santa Cruz, CA 95063-0068, USA) for information on
"local support and action groups" as well as a number of other resources.
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd)
Subject: Re: French fries; oil and calories
Reply-To: randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd)
Organization: RDR, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:36:00 GMT

red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes
> Someone posted a recipice for french fries, including the claim  
that
> one Tablespoon of oil = 14 calories.
> 
> Not so.  One tablespoon of oil contains 14 *grams* of fat; each
> gram of fat has *nine* (kilo)calories.

Someone told me that you should multiply the number of grams of fat  
in food by 9, and the number of grams of carbos and protein by 4.   
This is in order to figure out what percentage of fat/carbos/protein  
is in your food.  Was she talking about the number of calories per  
gram of each of those substances perhaps?


Randy
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: acc4636@tamsun.tamu.edu (Anthony C.)
Subject: Re: Searching for Menu/Nutritional Planning Software
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:30:27 GMT

The program is for microsoft windows 3.0 and 3.1.
Yes they are in Sandiego. Oops :-)  My map was upside down. Hehe.

From: dsouza@hplred.HP.COM (Roy D'Souza)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:45:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Re:      About 'bulking up' for veggies or anyone.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg


>Something Leigh has forgotten to mention is the importance of recovery.  If
>you're going to start a serious weight program, with the interest of putting
>on muscle mass, you really shouldn't exercise the same muscles everyday.
>(or 4 times a week... 2 times a week is pushing it)


Something I don't understand is how some of those cyclists can exercise the
legs practically every day and still gain/maintain muscle mass.


Roy

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: anagha@i3212.b17c.ingr.com (anagha deshpande)
Subject: Suggestions for wedding reception
Keywords: menu, suggestions
Reply-To: anagha@i3212.b17c.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:40:28 GMT

I have been reading this newsgroup for a while now...but its my first post!
Its difficult to write without having a mental picture of the person/s you
are writing to...But anyway, here it goes.

My fiancee and I are to be married in January.  We are from India and we
plan to hold the wedding ceremony and a reception, here in the US.
Can you suggest what kind food is generally served on such occasions? (I have
never been to a wedding here.) I would be very happy if someone could
suggest possible menus and provide tips to arrange such a reception.  There
should be no meat or alcohol involved...else my father will disown me!!
There should be about 125 guests...  I would like everyone to really enjoy
the food.  But it has to be vegetarian, both of us are vegetarians(not vegans).

I would really appreciate your help.
Anagha
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: List of participants (Version 8)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:43:26 GMT

In article <10556@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>loc@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Leigh Clayton) writes:
>
>>Most vegetarians are health-conscious but sensible
>>people, perhaps with a slightly moral bent,
>
>This might describe "Leigh Clayton", but a survey here revealed
>that "perhaps with a slightly moral bent" is a major understatement.
>

Please note for the record, although described as a "vegetarian for
health reasons" I am completely, thoroughly and uncompromisingly
amoral.


:-)

So let it be recorded that there *are* exceptions to every rule...

rf
From: steven.frank%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Steven Frank) 
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Why does everyone talk only about weight loss?
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: steven.frank%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Steven Frank) 


CS>Aren't there any vegans out there who are trying
CS>desperately to *gain* weight ... or am I the only
CS>weirdo around? It pisses me off that 99.99% of all
CS>veg. discussions deal with the issue of losing weight!

CS>I want to remain a vegan, but I also want to be
CS>well-built and muscular like my meat-eating friends.

At last, an ally in my quest.  Like yourself, I am a vegan.  I have been
trying to put on weight for over a year now, and have become convinced
that it takes more than mass quanities of rice and tofu.  I don't consider
myself thin, but have not been able to make significant gains in my
workouts for quite a while.

I tried 2000 calorie per day supplements for several months at a stretch,
and still have a 300 cal. drink before my workouts and a 500 cal. "candy"
bar afterwards.

I do not feel that vegetarianism is prevents someone from being "well-
built and muscular," but it certainly makes it difficult after a certain
level.

Anyone have any ideas???

Steve
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