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From: beers@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jim Beers)
Subject: Re: * * CORRECTION: PEROT ON LARRY KING - MONDAY, JANUARY 11 * *  Ross Perot will be on *Larry King Live* (CNN, 9 eastern) on Monday, January 11.  (Not on Wednesday as I previously said.)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:30:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.082305.15172@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>  Whether you are for him or against him, be sure to watch.
>  ==
>
>  Bob                                   Seattle, Washington
>

Well, that is nice, I have time to set the VCR, and we can speculate what he
will be saying.

That comment about him announcing that he is running for Pres. 
as a Republican, is there any truth to that?

Jim


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From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: * * CORRECTION: PEROT ON LARRY KING - MONDAY, JANUARY 11 * *
Date: 8 Jan 1993 01:05:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
| 
| CNN?  Too bad Ross is addressing cable subscribers only.
|

  Yup.  Maybe he could buy some network time every two or three months
  to present his charts.  He draws such a large audience, he could 
  probably get sponsors and make money off it.
  ==

  Bob                                       Seattle, Washington

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From: edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:48:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.235606.5929@netcom.com> lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
>Ross Perot launched "United We Stand America" today.

Ha-ha... man that guy was funny... with all his ear jokes and lack of answers
except how much he cared for "the voluteers," and the existence of "plans" that 
are around Washington, waiting to be instituted.  I honestly can't believe 
anyone takes him seriously after he quit in the middle of a campaign (THE 
campaign) and then STARTED RUNNING AGAIN!  I realize everyone knows he did it 
but I don't know why anybody takes this guy seriously... hopefully he comes up 
with some new, wacky gags (or even, gasp, a new infomercial) for '96; if he 
doesn't quit first.

Ed O.



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From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:59:12 GMT

edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:

>In article <1993Jan11.235606.5929@netcom.com> lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
>>Ross Perot launched "United We Stand America" today.

>Ha-ha... man that guy was funny... with all his ear jokes and lack of answers
>except how much he cared for "the voluteers," and the existence of "plans" that 
>are around Washington, waiting to be instituted.  I honestly can't believe 
>anyone takes him seriously after he quit in the middle of a campaign (THE 
>campaign) and then STARTED RUNNING AGAIN!  I realize everyone knows he did it 
>but I don't know why anybody takes this guy seriously... hopefully he comes up 
>with some new, wacky gags (or even, gasp, a new infomercial) for '96; if he 
>doesn't quit first.

For the record, Perot claimed when he re-entered the presidential race
that the Republican dirty tricks people had been planning to disrupt
his daughter's wedding and leak false info to the tabloids that she
was a lesbian. Whether or not you think there really was such a plot
is a separate issue, although I would point out that Perot was leading
in the polls at the time and that we all know how slimey the Republicans
can be.


Brian Redman
(bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
"Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."



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From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:07:36 GMT

visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	Perot suffers from the biggest "fault" that the people in washington
>have already.  He has a bunch of zombies who refuse both to think for 
>themselves or to be critical of the "great leader".

Sorry Lance, but it sounds to me that you're just another flop-head who's
been brainwashed by the media into being anti-Perot.

Now before you get out the flame throwers, look in the part I included from
your posting. Get a clue. You wouldn't talk to me like that face to face,
unless you're one big dude. If you don't have anything to say, why bother
opening your mouth?

-Mike ``fifteen dollars poorer'' Zombie
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:39:51 GMT

In article <C0rBIo.3JK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
>For the record, Perot claimed when he re-entered the presidential race
>that the Republican dirty tricks people had been planning to disrupt
>his daughter's wedding and leak false info to the tabloids that she
>was a lesbian. 

Which is just further proof that he is unfit to lead the country,
as he made a drastic decision on the basis of unsubstantiated information 
from a convicted felon.

Can't wait for him to become president and start World War III because
Scott Barnes told him that the missles are on their way...

>Whether or not you think there really was such a plot
>is a separate issue, although I would point out that Perot was leading
>in the polls at the time and that we all know how slimey the Republicans
>can be.

Non sequitur.  That the Republicans are capable of slimey tricks does
not mean that every lunatic accusation launched without proof against
the Republicans is true.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation
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From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman)
Subject: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: Netcom
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:56:06 GMT

Ross Perot launched "United We Stand America" today.  You can contact
them as follows:

	UWSA Membership Information:  1-800-925-4000
	UWSA General Information:  1-214-960-9100 (or you can try
	   calling Directory Assistance in your community or nearest
	   major city and asking for "United We Stand America")

Perot's scheduled media appearances:

	Monday    1/11  6 PM (?)        CNN Larry King Live.
	Tuesday   1/12  7 - 9 AM (?)    ABC Good Morning America.
	Wednesday 1/13  7 - 9 AM (?)    CBS This Morning.
	Thursday  1/14  7 - 9 AM (?)    NBC Today.

	(?) = PST only, may be different in other time zones.

The UWSA Founding Membership Application form contains a brief
outline of what UWSA is (which is copyrighted so I won't repeat it
here).  It also contains a list of political issues, and instructs
the applicant to check off those that he/she considers most critical.
I noticed that "campaign finance reform" is not listed, but you
can write it in if you want.

Hans Lachman
lachman@netcom.com
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From: beers@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jim Beers)
Subject: Re: * * CORRECTION: PEROT ON LARRY KING - MONDAY, JANUARY 11 * *
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:13:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan08.010019.12385@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
>| 
>| CNN?  Too bad Ross is addressing cable subscribers only.
>|
>
>  Yup.  Maybe he could buy some network time every two or three months
>  to present his charts.  He draws such a large audience, he could 
>  probably get sponsors and make money off it.

I don't think anybody can complain that Ross is addressing cable subscribers.
He is just on the show that puts him in.  In his election attempt, he 
paid to be on Network TV.


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From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:08:18 GMT

nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes:
>lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
>>Ross Perot launched "United We Stand America" today.  
>
>       So he's hiring "volunteers" again?

Actually, if you want to volunteer not only do you not get paid, but you
are asked to donate $15 to the cause. Those who can't afford the $15 will
be allowed to join anyway, according to Ross himself on LKL last night.
So I'd suggest that anyone who wants in should call the 800 number and
claim poverty. Hmmm... he doesn't have access to TRW credit reports, does
he? 

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
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From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Ross Perot Will Be On Larry King on Wednesday
Date: 6 Jan 1993 08:26:21 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

  I think Ross Perot is scheduled to appear on Larry King today
  (Wednesday, Jan. 6).
  ==

  Bob                                  Seattle, Washington

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From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
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Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:47:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Clemson University

edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:

>I honestly can't believe anyone takes him seriously...
>but I don't know why anybody takes this guy seriously... 

I'm not sure who people like Ed are comparing Ross to. Ed, have you been
paying any attention to the folks who *are* in washington? Do you think
they've been handling things just peachy, or do you think we are on the
edge of the precipice? Or somewhere in between? Do you actually take those
people seriously? Why? 

-Mike
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:49:37 GMT
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In <C0rBIo.3JK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:

+>For the record, Perot claimed when he re-entered the presidential race
+>that the Republican dirty tricks people had been planning to disrupt
+>his daughter's wedding and leak false info to the tabloids that she
+>was a lesbian. Whether or not you think there really was such a plot
+>is a separate issue, although I would point out that Perot was leading
+>in the polls at the time and that we all know how slimey the Republicans
+>can be.

	The "record" has little to do with this since Ross Perot did not
mention this when he quit and did not provide one tiny bit of proof for
this alligation which sounds so bizzare, I dont know how anyone with a
brain could take it seriously.

	I would point out that Perot had a tremendous amount of negative
media attention at the time he pulled out, did a speach before a non-fan
crowd and made unbelievable blunders in it and had resignations at the
very top of his organization.  He was starting to soften in the polls
at that point which if you will recall was in the middle of the democratic
convention.

	You go on believing what Ross tells you to believe and ignoring 
reality, and the whole so-called Perot movement is going to turn into
everything bad that washington is today.








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From: edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:42:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.154753.23715@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:
>
>>I honestly can't believe anyone takes him seriously...
>>but I don't know why anybody takes this guy seriously... 
>
>I'm not sure who people like Ed are comparing Ross to. Ed, have you been
>paying any attention to the folks who *are* in washington? Do you think
>they've been handling things just peachy, or do you think we are on the
>edge of the precipice? Or somewhere in between? Do you actually take those
>people seriously? Why? 
>
>-Mike

I'm comparing Perot to the present two-party system we have.  While I'll be
the first to admit that our system of politics isn't perfect, the two parties
have established where they are on the political spectrum.  While individuals
within those parties often hold a variety of opinions, I fail to see where
Ross has ever explained exactly what he stands on.  He talks about how our
government isn't working (on a precipice, perhaps) but I think he's just a
very rich man who's bored.  How can our economy be so bad if he's rolling in
it?  How can our system be SO corrupt and still fixable by one certain Texan?
The reality is that Perot tried to capitalize on the public's (temporary)
malaise; once people notice the economy is in good shape they won't really
care about Perot and his 'agenda'.

Ed O.
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:25:57 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan12.154753.23715@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:

+>edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:

+>>I honestly can't believe anyone takes him seriously...
+>>but I don't know why anybody takes this guy seriously... 

+>I'm not sure who people like Ed are comparing Ross to. Ed, have you been
+>paying any attention to the folks who *are* in washington? Do you think
+>they've been handling things just peachy, or do you think we are on the
+>edge of the precipice? Or somewhere in between? Do you actually take those
+>people seriously? Why? 

	So since you can't defend the perot-gods behavior in terms of that
behavior, you compare him to the people in washington and that makes it
better right?

	Perot suffers from the biggest "fault" that the people in washington
have already.  He has a bunch of zombies who refuse both to think for themselves
or to be critical of the "great leader".

	I would be the first to support his organization if I believed it 
to be anything other than an organ for the self-promotion of Perot and a
rubber stamp for his ideas.





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From: beers@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jim Beers)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:56:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.184256.23219@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:
>>
>>>I honestly can't believe anyone takes him seriously...
>>>but I don't know why anybody takes this guy seriously... 

Personally, I am hoping he can some good, and in a few years, we will be 
thanking him.`

>I'm comparing Perot to the present two-party system we have.  While I'll be
>the first to admit that our system of politics isn't perfect, the two parties
>have established where they are on the political spectrum. 

I voted for Ross because I could not tell the difference between the
other two candidates.  A few percentage points budget lines, Tell
me, what is the difference.  Nobody could have been a more liberal
domestic spender then Bush, and a few percentage points difference
in Military spending is not much difference.
>                                                         While individuals
>within those parties often hold a variety of opinions, I fail to see where
>Ross has ever explained exactly what he stands on.  He talks about how our
>government isn't working (on a precipice, perhaps) but I think he's just a
>very rich man who's bored.  How can our economy be so bad if he's rolling in
>it?  How can our system be SO corrupt and still fixable by one certain Texan?

He knows very well how the rich get richer in this country.  

You, like the press, are not listening to what he is saying.

He is trying to present a forum so that the people of this country can 
tell those in DC that the world is not how the special interests paint it.

>The reality is that Perot tried to capitalize on the public's (temporary)
>malaise; once people notice the economy is in good shape they won't really
>care about Perot and his 'agenda'.

If the Government continues to keep the economy in as good of share as it is,
the only place you will be able to get a loan to stimulate your business
is from government printing presses.  You cannot live off those credit
card for ever.

>
>Ed O.


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From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman)
Subject: Re: Perot's "United We Stand America" launched today
Organization: Netcom
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:43:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.184256.23219@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.154753.23715@hubcap.clemson.edu> hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>>edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:
>>
>>>I honestly can't believe anyone takes him seriously...
>>>but I don't know why anybody takes this guy seriously... 
>>
>>... Ed, have you been paying any attention to the folks who *are* in
>>washington? ... Do you actually take those people seriously? Why? 
>
>I'm comparing Perot to the present two-party system we have.

It's true that only two parties are dominant, but the "system" is not
inherently two-party.  Many believe that other parties should also
be allowed a voice.

>While I'll be the first to admit that our system of politics isn't
>perfect, the two parties have established where they are on the
>political spectrum.

Not really.  Republicans supposedly want to cut government spending,
but we have found that the reverse happens under Republican
administrations.

>While individuals within those parties often hold a variety of
>opinions, I fail to see where Ross has ever explained exactly what
>he stands on.

Try his book, "United We Stand".

>... How can our system be SO corrupt and still fixable by one certain Texan?
>The reality is that Perot tried to capitalize on the public's (temporary)
>malaise; once people notice the economy is in good shape they won't really
>care about Perot and his 'agenda'.
>Ed O.

The econonmy may be OK today, but if you project current trends, the
US Govt will eventually go bankrupt.  If you were a financial advisor
and you saw a family doing this, wouldn't you tell them to get control
of their budget?  OK, maybe you won't believe it if "one certain
Texan" tells you this, but since you are in love with the two
"established" parties, then maybe you'll believe it if THEY tell you
the same story.

So, if you are willing to recognize that there is a problem, then the
question becomes, what will YOU do to help fix it?  You are right that
it is not fixable by "one certain Texan".  And if you don't want to
join his group, then you perhaps should join the "Concord Coalition",
a "me-too" group which has the same objectives, but is headed up by
establishment-types (Warren Rudman, Paul Tsongas), who might suit your
tastes better.

Hans Lachman
lachman@netcom.com
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From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: 3 Cheers for Colorado "Extremists" 
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:31:31


noyes@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (tom noyes 283-4177) writes:

   The fact is that the majority rules
   in a democratic form of government, and the majority is christian and
   heterosexual. 

Don't you wish there were some kind of civics test required before 
people were allowed to vote?  

The US Constitution specifically limits the power of majority.  They
can't pass a law abridging freedom of speech, for instance, no matter
how many vote for out.  This is prevent a "tyranny of the majority"

   Thus the majority has a somewhat homogeneous set of values,
   and morals. Mr. Arnold may not like this set of values and morals,
   or the laws that this majority makes, and under a democratic system he
   has the right to descent. 

Democracy isn't connected with the right to dissent.  Democracy is
a system of passing laws and electing rulers.

BTW, I don't know squat about the Gay Rights in Colorado issue, I'm
just flaming about the abuse of language.
--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org

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