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From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue's and Cyclops' control of powers
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:39:28 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Apr13.192509.1270@bvc.edu>, stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.123419.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott) writes:
>>> Same question goes for Cyclops, is there something wrong with him or
>>> is his power just uncontrollable?
>> 
>> If I recall correctly. Cyclops *should* be able to control his power but, 
>> due to trauma suffered at the hands of Mr. Sinister as a child, he doesn't 
>> have the ability to 'switch off' his power.
>> 
>> I seem to remember a story where Loki was trying to get more power from 
>> "They who sit above in shadow". To do this he gave the world some sort 
>> of energy beam that, if you entered it, your dreams would come true (in 
>> exchange for your best talent or skill). When Cyclops came out of the beam 
>> he had control of his blasts.
> 
> 	Sorry, but wrong answer...what you are talking about is the 
> X-Men/Alpha Flight crossover...Loki is told by "They who sit above in
> Shadow" to do something generous for the Earth, so he creates this beam,
> which, left unchecked, would soon effect the entire Earth...Any *NORMAL* 
> being stepping into that beam would bec converted into (I hate to say it) 
> gods...the only price is that their creativity is taken away...example--
> An arhitect was give the ability to shape stone, metal, whatever...the 
> only problem was that he could no longer *CREATE* anything new...though
> he could build anything he saw...
> 	It didn't effect mutants, since supposedly, their dreams had
> already come true...
> 	Doing this from memory, so don't live or die by this...

	Oops, got so wrapped up in typing this, that I *FORGOT* the
main point of the post...Scott's, then-wife, Madelyne was affected
by the beam and became capable to heal virtually any disease, injury
whatever you can think of...she "healed" Cyke's inablity to control
his power and it also did the same for Rogue.... 

	Wease

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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
Date: 6 Apr 1992 22:49:16 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr6.205340.7897@wpi.WPI.EDU> cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau) writes:
>Ahhhhhh! my friends but who has Scott dated besides Jean Grey and her clone.

	Actually, Scott did date Misty Knight around X-men 120, when he
thought Jean was dead, and after Phoenix died, he dated Lee Forrester.

	And, when Jean thought Scott was dead, she went on a long
vacation in Greece, where she may have dated someone.  She also
went on a date or two with Angel.
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism.
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From: MHART00@ricevm1.rice.edu (mason hart)
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:18:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.031807.7896@midway.uchicago.edu>
gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman) writes:

>Don't forget Alyta what's-her-name, the blond whom he was with
>before Maddie.  Didn't she go with magneto for a while? What ever
>happened to that pairing???

Aletys "Lee" Forester.  Scott also dated Colleen Wing for a time,
and Misty Knight once.  Some people might suggest Madelyn Pryor, who
we all know and love as Jean's evil clone.  They were married, after
all ...

Lee Forester was seen with Magneto for a brief while, but I don't
know how that was resolved since there are gaps in my X-men
collection between the late 170's and #199.

Anyone know where Lee is now?  It's been a long time.  She dead?


"If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong."

-- mason
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (And the elmo Lies Down on Broadway)
Subject: MARVEL:  Silver Sable impressions
Organization: I can't dance, either
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:09:05 GMT

	Fast note:
	Silver Sable #1 is out today.  First impression:  The cover is hideous. 
They've got this nice looking silver ink, but it's absolutely flat, so you get
this awful silhouette effect on Sable herself.  The logo's no great shakes.
	I flipped through the interior, but I quit when I got to this amazing
bit of thought:
	Sable flipping totally unaerodynamic throwing stars, way out in the
the middle of a field, in this brilliant blue and white costume.
	Cut to black shadows in a forest half hidden behind trees.
	And Sable thinks [paraphrase]:  Fools, to be out in the open like that
without a hint of camouflage.  [There was also something about dodging
automatic weapons fire, but I don't recall it 'zactly.]
	Confronted with this level of absurdity, I put the book down and went
home.
-- 
"After him!  After him!"
Ralph was going crazy.  "After who?" he cried, heedless of grammar.
--Donald E. Westlake

elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov,morrow@physics.rice.edu)
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:22:42 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

In the latest issue of Aboriginal SF, Susan Ellison's film column has
this comment:
"Adding to the list of growing comic book translations are an animated
_Elfquest:_The_Movie_ and a screen version of the successful DC comic
_Sandman_, written by Neil Gaiman."

Is this true?  I would have assumed that if any such project was in
the works, someone on r.a.c. would have known before the publications
got word on this.  Anybody??

-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<--------------
It is said that the gods play games with the lives of men. But what games, and
why, and the identities of the actual pawns, and what the game is, and what the
rules are--who knows? Best not to speculate. Thunder rolled... It rolled a six.
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From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Subject: Re: A new tack on the (Re: X-Men Traitor)
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:50:47 GMT

> In article <1992Apr7.105810.2382@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>, tneeck@math.macalstr.edu (The sound of hoofprints 'cross the glade
>                                 
>> 	Actually, after some thought, I have some interesting ideas on the  
>> whole thing.  Hang with me as I ramble...
>> 
>> 	Now:  Many readers will remember that Claremont seemed to like dropping  
>> Camelot references and parallels into X-stories, at least later on.  Drawing  
>> from the Arthurian references, we can see some parallels--Prof. X as Merlin,  
>> Cyclops as Arthur, Jean as Guenivere, and Wolverine as Lancelot to name a few  
>> possible parallels.
>> 
>> 	Let's extend the parallel, shall we?  What follows probably ain't  
>> spoiler material, but here goes anyhow... 
>> 
>> 	Extending the analogy:  at some point in the near future--possibly 
>> as a result of the Cyclops/Psylocke subplot, the final blowup in the  
>> Jean-Scott-Logan triangle takes place.  Considering Logan's state, the most  
>> likely result will have Logan leave the X-Men.  Such a shakeup would leave the  
>> team extremely vulnerable as the internal dynamics of the group start to come  
>> apart at the seams.
>> 
> 	Now if you're going to follow the Arthur analogy to its logical  
>> extents, keep in mind:  Arthur was killed at Camlann, in a mistaken battle with  
>> Mordred.  Thus if you follow the concept, perhaps what we are looking for is  
>> not so much an X-Judas as an X-Mordred...[further I-wish-they-were-spoilers]  
>> 	...and since Mordred was Arthur's son, if we accept the already given  
>> premises, we are left with only one confirmable, solid suspect:
>> 
>> 	Rachel.
>> 


Interesting theory... This ties into something I was wondering about in the 
X-Men. (I only have have time to skim through so I forget lots of stuff and 
probably missed something)
1) Jean dies... again.
2) She ends up in the White Queen's Body
3) She is returned to her body and is feeling _much_ better now. 
4) At the beginning of the story where Hank, Scott and ? were ambushed in the 
house. As they were talking about it just after someone mentions that ? is on 
to something.
5) Jean is sneaking around in the background and repeats the statement that 
? is on to something as if contemplating.

If we follow your analagy, we need a Morgan Le Fay. The White Queen 
perhaps? *What if* the whiter queen is not really dead? *What if* she was 
transferred into Jeans body with or instead of Jean? *What if* she has 
control?

The white queen would then be in a prime spot to infulence negative 
feelings and strees in the team. She could mentally pressure the rest of 
the X-Men in sutble ways. She would also have a great deal of influence 
over Nathen... The only problem with this is, of course, that she would 
have to get out of Jean's body and, according to the video, it was an 
outside person who killed the team.

Something to think about.....



Scott.
"You're a JERK... Dent... A real asshole."
From: ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT: NO!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:47:10 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY


J. Scott Houchi	(houchin@kodak.com) writes:
>I don't like the idea of a split. I really don't even like the idea of the
>mandatory subject keywords (MARVEL:, DC:, META:, ...). The only purpose they
>really serve is to allow you to kill large groups of articles without even 
>seeing them. How can know that they won't be interested in EVERY Marvel
>article to be posted until the end of time (I'm only using Marvel because
>the discussion seems to indicate that most people who are blocking out large
>groups like this are blocking out Marvel).

Use of headers (MARVEL, DC, etc.) is the *only* way to satisfy people's
bandwidth problems without splitting.  They are great when used properly,
and I can't emphasize enough their usage.  If it doesn't help *you*
personally, it will help many others.  I know that I won't be interested in
Marvel at all.

The latter point is interesting; while some would call it snobbery, I
think I read DC largely because of the fact that I have stuck with them
for 20+ years, through highs (and there have been some real highs) and
lows (likewise some real lows).  I know the characters, the universe, the 
histories in a way I couldn't with Marvel (save months of time and
lots of cash).  I've tried, but I just can't get into the
"flavor" of most Marvel books.  I read many independants at the recommendation 
of the net or because I like the direction a company is taking (Valiant, 
Innovation).  Come to think of it, I did like Conan from early on
until about the late 130's.  Does that count? :-)  Oh, I also read
most of the Epic line, including the Shadowline saga.  Some good
stuff in there, in a different vein.

>What if a few years ago the discussion had been:
>Subject: MARVEL: Alan Moore's _Watchmen_	...

I would have missed the discussion.  It would have been a mighty different
comic had it been Marvel, though.  It probably would have been under Epic.

 ___       
|\__\___               Derryl Dean DePriest     ddd@cvs.rochester.edu          
||  |\__\___     Neuroscience Graduate Program and Center for Visual Science  
|| D||  |\__\                      University of Rochester                     
\|__|| D||   \   
    \|__|| D |       "This guy's got more comics than a motherf*ck*r!"
        \|__/                       --Doughboy, Boyz-N-the-Hood
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Subject: Darkhorse :lone slone
From: phys241@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (A.J. Curzon)
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:43:13 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Does anybody know where to get Lone Slone : Delerius which I thing is a Darkhorse publication. There was a complete book of it hanging around about 10 years ago.
I would appreciate some help. Thanks, James
From: douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Blind Dates from Hell
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:41:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: yang.1992Apr14.104120.16960
Organization: The Lion of Serrea

In article <ROBI.92Apr8132215@ivan.bacchus.esa.oz>, robi@bacchus.esa.oz (Robi Karp) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.004643.3009@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
> : BTW, also in this story, Phineas T. Horton, who was working with the
> : governments, examined the Vision and discovered that it wasn't really his
> : android, which led the Avengers to uncover and revive the original Human
> : Torch android, which is why he's around now as well.
> 
> Did they ever say where the vision came from then ?
> 
> 	- Robi
> --
> INTERNET: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au    "If it's suicide you're after Master 
> ACSnet  : robi@bacchus.esa.oz        Bruce, I have the recipe for an old
> Tel     : (+61) (3) 819 4554         family potion. It's slow working and 
> Fax     : (+61) (3) 819 5580         quite painful, you'd like it." -DK1

	Ultron found Horton's old molds and built him from spare parts.  
(Which is weird, because if Ultron could build something like the Vision, 
why didn't he build density control circuitry into himself?)
			--Doug
"Very well, Master Boo, I will be blunt.  Have you forgotten what happened 
to Prick?"
"...Why yes.  I have forgotten.  What _did_ happen to Prick, anyway?"
			--Mark Martin
From: jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor(the suprise)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:25:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

RE: possible X-Traitors, Legion being one of them.  Sure he's dead, but it's
Marvel.

Actually, from the Professor X entry of TOHOTMUME, Legion is referred to in:
relatives:son, presumed deceased
and in bibliography: (Muir Island Saga): accepted seeming death of son David.

"presumed"  "seeming death"  "Marvel"

Nope not dead.  Not by a longshot.
Jonathan
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:20:56 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Apr9.143852.13036@queernet.org>, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.055522.16897@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu>,
> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
> |> In article <QdskzbW00VpaJ=P11y@andrew.cmu.edu> js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason
> |> Lee Smith) writes:
> |> >> I think the issue after the issue where Shvaugh becomes a man. 
> |> >Excuse me? EXCUSE ME!!!
> |> >What in God's name is there justification for this?
> |> >I'm really confused.
> |> 
> |> It has to do with fan suspicions that Element Lad is gay.  Paul Levitz
> |> decided
> |> to falsify those suspicions by giving him a girlfriend (Shvaugn), so this
> |> was invented in order to fix things up and make him at least bisexual....
> 
> "Invented," perhaps... but it was "invented" by Tom and Mary Bierbaum.
> 
> And, by the way, both Jim Shooter and Dave Cockrum are on record to the
> effect that he *is* gay.

Well, despite his service on the title (the Shooter LSH run has an argument
to be considered the best run on ANY comic ever, IMHO), I'm
inclined to be against anything Jim Shooter says just on general principles.

And also, JIM SHOOTER went on record that a charater he *WROTE* is GAY?!!
I don't whether to laugh at the irony or be apalled at the temerity.
Given his history, that's just incredible to me. Wow! He has chutzpah
(or chutzpidity;))
> -- 
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
> rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
> "Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
>                                                                    -- J. Foster
From: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wildcards (and Lew Shiner rant)
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:10:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr7.161005.29053
Reply-To: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston) writes:

|> 
|> Well, I kind of thought things hit a low point during Wild Cards Abroad,  
|> but I think it's shaped up pretty nicely since then.
|> 

	I agree...I think "Aces Abroad" is the weakest of the series. My 
personal favorite is "Ace in the Hole" (#6), especially for the Golden Boy
appearances.

|> And those Tim Truman covers are a real treat, too.

	Except that in the UK, it is Brian Bolland artwork on the covers. Of
course the Brits have to pay more for the books...


	Here's an old rumor from 1988 or so: The original idea for a Wild
Cards Comic was that it would suppliment the books. The idea that was kicked
around more than any other was a "Joker Brigade" story from the Viet Nam war.
Unfortunately, adaptations seem to be what Epic has in mind.

	As for my opinions of Lewis Shiner as an author: I feel that he allows
himslef to be bogged down with triviality and catchwords. Seriously, how
many times do we see the word "kundalini" in one of the Fortunato tales? He
also seems to love the "Illuminati" idea (Wild Cards, Time Masters).


-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       If you crumple your money into little    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu           balls, it will never stick together.   +
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan)
Subject: Re: STARWARS
Keywords: BOOKS
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:32:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.153757.23576@newcastle.ac.uk> Kevin.McGarvey@newcastle.ac.uk (Kevin.McGarvey) writes:
>
>I want to know if there any books available that are to do with the STARWARS saga.  I have only got Starwars IV,V,and VI and a couple of HANS SOLO books.
>
>But I want more!!!!!!!!

Here is a list of what I can remember exists in book form.  I asssume you only
want fiction -- not documentary stuff.

Star Wars (George Lucas)
The Empire Strikes Back (Donald F. Glut)
Return of the Jedi
Heir to the Empire (Timothy Zahn)
Han Solo at Star's End
Han Solo and the Lost Legacy
Han Solo's Revenge
Lando Calrissian and the ???? of Thonboku
Lando Calrissian and the Flamewinds of Oseon
Lando Calrissian and the ???? of ????
Splinter of the Mind's Eye
The End of the Empire

I don't remember some of the complete titles (as you can see).  I also don't
remember most of the authors.

							Mike Fan
From: byron@wet.UUCP (Byron C. Go)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: CON: WonderCon 6 -- who's going?
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:33:50 GMT
Reply-To: bgo@ucsee.berkeley.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

It's almost time for WonderCon again.  I really enjoyed getting together
with other r.a.c.'ers last year, and would like to know if anyone else is
going this year.  (Hey, maybe PAD can join us for dinner this time around...
*grin*)

For those who haven't heard:

	WonderCon 6
	April 24-26
	Parc International Hotel
	10th and Broadway
	Oakland, CA  94607-4077

See you there!

     byron  (:
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:47:07 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

One more problem for those of you proposing a split (something I am
against, BTW)  Muchg of the audience of rac is college students.  Do
you really want to start planning a vote that wll be held over the
summer?  When most of the audience is on vacation??

[Incidentally--someone else already posted my reason for preventing a
split.  Even though I haven't read a Marvel since "Mighty Mouse Ferment"
I'm still interested in what's going on there.]
-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<--------------
It is said that the gods play games with the lives of men. But what games, and
why, and the identities of the actual pawns, and what the game is, and what the
rules are--who knows? Best not to speculate. Thunder rolled... It rolled a six.
From: douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: From Doug Atkinson: The New Mutants
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:51:55 GMT
Organization: The Lion of Serrea

In article <visser.702694148@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
> In <1992Apr4.163649.16744@yang.earlham.edu> kurtg@yang.earlham.edu (Son of Scribbler) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> +>This is from Doug Atkinson, comments should be sent to douga@yang.earlham.edu.
> 
> +>PREMISE: The New Mutants as once they were.  Stevie Hunter
> +>organises a new group and some helpers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> +>Magma
> +>Changeling
>  ^^^^^^^^^^
> 	I think DC still owns this name.
> 
> +>Kevin
> +>Sensor
> +>Vector
> +>Ultimate
> +>Dusk
> +>Force
> 
> +>STAFF
> 
> +>Director: Stevie Hunter
> +>Healer (Medical staff)
> +>Erg (Part-time trainer)
> +>Lila Cheney (Financer, accompaniment)
> +>Fred Duncan (FBI contact, business manager)
> +>Dennis Stewart (Trainer)
> +>Tom Corsi (Security, grounds)
> +>Sharon Friedlander (Nurse, grounds)
> +>James and Faith Meyer (Teachers)
> 
> 	A general comment here is that there are just too many characters.
> For this sort of thing, the core cast has to be kept rather small.  The
> medium tends to punish large, complicated supporting casts by its nature.

	Headaches about posting errors aside, I think you're right...but 
it's a collaborative effort, and I didn't have full say over cast.  (Also, 
people like Duncan and Lila were intended to be minor.)  Besides, these 
were notes and ideas for the future...Tom and Sharon, in particular, were 
just thoughts.
	And, as for the DC trademark: These characters weren't created to 
be published professionally, so it doesn't matter.  Let's face it, there's 
not a lot of good names for shapechangers out there.
			--Doug
From: gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:18:07 GMT
Reply-To: gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr6.205340.7897@wpi.WPI.EDU> cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau) writes:

>Ahhhhhh! my friends but who has Scott dated besides Jean Grey and her clone.

Don't forget Alyta what's-her-name, the blond whom he was with
before Maddie.  Didn't she go with magneto for a while? What ever
happened to that pairing???

> Do you really think Cyclops could get by on masturbation 
>and fantasies alone.  I agree that Cyclops should marry Jean Grey but I think 

Who's to say he and Jean haven't, and aren't doing it right now
in the old X-mansion???? :) :)

Remember in X-factor a coupleyears ago, Jean lifts them up
aove Central park via TK while they're kissing.  The narrator
says something about "A kiss is just a kiss" being written in
simpler times, etc.....   Imgaine what it would be like
to "do the do" while soaring in a TK bubble!!!!!! :) :)

Gary