From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Win Win situation for Muslims Hindus & Secularists at Ayodhya
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:03:28 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <C0M9Ko.F9v@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes...
>>	talks about evil as God. When the system gets beyond repair, the
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>>	evil forces of God take control of the situation. This may sound
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>>	evil to you but from a non-ethical point of view, there is nothing
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>>	wrong with this evil. It is due to our lower understanding of
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>                Virendra Verma, you are quite amazing. Vijay Fafat
>                 will love this !  How come you guys know God so well ?!
>                God must be quite happy to have such wonderful secretaries !

	Yes I am. For that matter, all unpopular ideas are amazing. Your
	comment is not enough. We need logical counter arguments to
	what I just said. Isn't Kali the God of Evil? People get killed
	by Earthquakes and natural disasters? Is it coincidence? People
	unwilling murder, who forces them to murder. Millions of insects
	fight, the fittest survive. Who is doing all that? Evil is a
	subjective criteria.
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>>	knowledge of things (which is predominantly by natural forces of
>>	guna) that we categorise between good and evil. It is because of
>>	this philosophy that Krishan had to ask Arjuna to kill Kauravas.
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>>	When a person raises himself beyond the forces of gunas, that
>>	consciousness is what Krishna was talking about as Divine nature
>>	which does not distinguish between moral and ethical aspects of
>>	good and evil.
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>              The above para of yours shows how dangerous a view you
>              guys are espousing !! 

	Depends who gets the formula. If an ego-driven person gets the
	idea, sure it is dangerous. But a person who has renounced all
	actions and its fruits, there is no danger. But, no one knows
	who is acting under what motivation, that is why it is just a
	philosophy and spiritual argument. Don't take it that serious
	if you don't believe in eastern philosophy and spirituality.

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>              Using 'philosophies and ethics' from Mahabharat will
>              will lead us to the same end as in Mahabharat ! 
>              Can you please post the fate of Mahabharat heros and the
>              great height of civilization achieved AFTER fighting the
>              Mahabharat war ?  
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>>>     - Selva
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	Not if the scriptures are read in their 'right' sense. If one
	brings their biases into the scriptures, that is dangerous.

	Mahabharat was not a war for achievments but the begining of
	an era what we see these days - misunderstanding, confusion,
	immorality, distrust, loss of intellect.... And India is a true
	representation of that era. Swami Vivekanda rightly said, if
	God chose a place on earth, then it is India. God as Evil
	is expressing Himself through the current world-existence.

	From spiritual argument, this is bound to happen. The Nature
	will correct the system Herself. We are the component of the system.
	We must do what we think is right. You must do what you think is
	right. But, if Nature wants something else, it will act through
	Her chosen people, what is right for Her. That is my spiritual
	argument. Don't take it seriously because you are not a spiritual
	person in Vedic sense.

>>namaste,
>>
>>-- Virendra Verma
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>>   ****
>>   tamso ma jyotir gamaha	   - [Lord] take me from darkness to light.
>>   shramam bina na kimapi saddhyam - Nothing gets accomplished without work
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>          anbudan
>          Selva 
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> 
namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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   My employer is not responsible for my views. Read my views at your 
   own risk.
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   tamso ma jyotir gamaha	   - [Lord] take me from darkness to light.
   shramam vina na kimapi saddhyam - Nothing gets accomplished without work
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