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From: fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON)
Subject: Re: cobol is crap. avoid it
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:30:20 GMT

bsm@utrcv1.res.utc.com (Brian S. McCarthy) writes:

>A challenge for COBOL haters:  How would you do the following in C?
>
>        MOVE CORR RECORD-WITH-100-FIELDS TO SAME-FIELDS-DIFFERENT-ORDER.

There are some good arguments in favour of using COBOL in certain
circumstances, but this is not one of them.
WHY would you ever want to do that in C?

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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: Re: Cobol....Avoid It--?
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:32:44 GMT

Regarding this interesting and worthwhile discussion about the
merits of Cobol, we here at the new Wang Labs have a rather large
installed base of Cobol users.  In this regard, we have just entered
into an agreement to provide IDSI's Wang interchange source
processor Cobol coexistence and development kit to our users.  This
enables VS minicomputer users who plan to coexist in an open
environment to run their VS Cobol applications on the multiple
systems that Wang offers--the VS, the Wang/IBM RS/6000, and DOS-based
PCs, providing a common "look and feel" among their systems.  To
help our customers plan for the future, we offer a choice of systems for
their computing needs.  This "WISP" product assists our customers in
bringing their VS Cobol applications to open systems.  This source code
conversion includes file transfer, syntax translation, terminal
operation and screen display management.  It accomodates the popular
Micro Focus and Acucobol Cobol environments, which are supported on the
Wang/IBM RS/6000.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: barton@holston.UUCP (Barton A. Fisk)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Cobol vs. high-level language thread, AG
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:09:19 GMT
Organization: Barton A. Fisk Inc.

In article <10292340.50668.15134@kcbbs.gen.nz> Richard_Plinston@kcbbs.gen.nz (Richard Plinston) writes:
>
>        >>> no one has replied to my serious question about
>        >>> serial port accessing
>
>        Accessing serial ports is likely to be dependant on:
>            Machine used
>            Operating system
>            Compiler vendor and version

This is quite true, the version of RM/Cobol 85 I am using
has communication routines built-in. However I've never
done much with it.

I've always used a comm program called Blast for Unix to
other os's, but I suppose the need could arise for something
to control devices and read/write data directly into a Cobol
program.

I'm not sure about standards here, perhaps someone on the
ANSI committee would comment about standards in comm facilities
of Cobol or it's extensions.

Bart
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From: segross@uci.edu (STEVE GROSS)
Subject: Re: HELP !!! COBOL INDEXES
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Organization: UC Irvine College of Medicine
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:03:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.205352.1362@dg-rtp.dg.com> cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:

>In article <segross.3@uci.edu>, segross@uci.edu (STEVE GROSS) writes:
>|> 
>|> No way.
>|> Redefining the data doesn't change the values.
>|> The only way I know to do this is:
>|> 
>|>     SELECT FILENAME ASSIGN TO DISK
>|>         RECORD KEY IS TEST-KEY
>|>     ALTERNATE RECORD KEY IS TEST-ALT-KEY.
>|> 
>|> 01  TESTRECORD.
>|>     02  TEST-KEY.
>|>         05  KEY-FIELD-1                  PIC X(10).
>|>         05  KEY-FIELD-2                  PIC X(5).
>|>         05  KEY-FIELD-3                  PIC 99.
>|>     02  TEST-ALT-KEY.
>|>         05  ALT-FIELD-3                  PIC 99.
>|>         05  ALT-FIELD-1                  PIC X(10).
>|>         05  ALT-FIELD-2                  PIC X(5).
>|> 
>|> and you have to make sure you move the "KEY" fields to the "ALT" fields
>|> before you write.

>EEEP!  You're right.  I woulda found it when I debugged the program :-).

>Sorry about that.

>What if you left all of the 05-level items with the same names, and then
>just did a MOVE CORRESPONDING TEST-KEY to TEST-ALT-KEY?

That would work too.  Personally, I avoid using MOVE CORRESPONDING because
I hate to have a change in the data cause an unanticipated side-effect in
the procedure when it's recompiled.  There are a number of DATA DIVISION
"features" I avoid for this reason.

Steve

>+--------------------------------------------------+
>|Dave Cochran, Data General Corporation, RTP, NC   |
>|cochran@dg-rtp.dg.com                             |
>+--------------------------------------------------+
>|"Reality is nothing but a collective hunch."      |
>|                                   --Lily Tomlin  |
>+--------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: mikek@shared.COM (Mike Kenny)
Subject: Re: Currently running program's name
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:05:49 GMT
Organization: Shared Financial Systems


In article <1992Dec17.182256.28935@mfltd.co.uk> jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell (x5320)) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: Mary Englebreit Transfers?
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:44:06 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

Thank you, thank you, to all of you who told me about the
Daisy Kingdom store, gave me phone numbers, and who supplied
leads of where you think you have seen these transfers
recently.  The net comes through again!  I actually have hope
of getting these done for Christmas!

And have already started plotting a trip to the Daisy Kingdom
store, next time I'm in Portland.  ;-)

--Jilara
--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

"The field of pseudo-science hasn't progressed much in ten
years, except to gain access to the net." --from ca.earthquakes
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: harmet@bambi.cecer.army.mil (Laura Harmet)
Subject: Re: Xmas gifts for a quilt-o-maniac
Followup-To: alt.sewing,rec.crafts.misc
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:02:52 GMT

In article <4057@randvax.rand.org>, talmy@randvax.rand.org (Shel Talmy)
wrote:
> 
> 
> As the header says, my wife has a mania for quilts, and I'd
> 
> appreciate any hints as to Christmas gifts I could give her to
> 
> fuel her mania.  Thanks much.

Has anyone mentioned a rotary cutter and mat.  I have one for regular
sewing
and it's great, but I believe they were intended for quick cutting of quilt
pieces.  If you do decide to get her this, I would suggest getting a mat
at least 24" wide.  This would give her adequate room to position the
material
around for cutting.  You don't want her running out of cutting room.  Those
rotary cutters are hell on your nice dining room table.

Laura
From: marie@ai.mit.edu (Marie Lamb)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: looking for sewing machine prices
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:57:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: marie@ai.mit.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec15.163534.19493@pbs.org>, jlecher@pbs.org writes:

|> As a Matter of Fact, I do! I'm so excited - just bought myself a brand-new
|> machine. Mine is a Singer 7043, and it is Singer's top-of-the-line
|> mechanical machine (I didn't feel financially able to go for a computerized
|> machine yet). I've been drooling over it for about 3 years now, and finally
|> broke down and bought one. They're on sale until Christmas at your local
|> So-Fro/House of Fabrics stores, and the best price for the year. Mine was
|> $549.99. It is also the ONLY mechanical machine with a one-step buttonhole.
|> It's not a Great buttonhole, like the neat computerized machines do, but
|> it's NOT an awkward 4-step, which I've used for 15 years, and always hated.

Ooops, not true!  My brand new New Home 3123 is a mechanical machine with
a one-step buttonholer.  And because New Home has the same "box" needle
technology as Bernina, it's a fantastically smooth, even button hole.  It
also does a satin stitch that is to die for.

Merry Christmas to us! :-)

Marie
From: jlecher@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: looking for sewing machine prices
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:35:34 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <10DEC199210244410@juliet.caltech.edu>, wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.) writes:
> Hi there !
> 
> My wife is getting sick of her cheapie sewing machine and is looking into 
> buying a Bernina (model 1031).  We have ssen prices ranging from $1,100.- to
> $1,600.-.  I was wondering if anyone out there has additional pricing
> information for that machine (or a close equivalent).  I know next to zilch
> about sewing machines, unfortunately.  Are there (like for electronics) mail
> order places or 'super stores' where one can get good prices, or are the
> little sewing shops pretty much it ?
> 
> Any input would be appreciated
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris W
>
As a Matter of Fact, I do! I'm so excited - just bought myself a brand-new
machine. Mine is a Singer 7043, and it is Singer's top-of-the-line
mechanical machine (I didn't feel financially able to go for a computerized
machine yet). I've been drooling over it for about 3 years now, and finally
broke down and bought one. They're on sale until Christmas at your local
So-Fro/House of Fabrics stores, and the best price for the year. Mine was
$549.99. It is also the ONLY mechanical machine with a one-step buttonhole.
It's not a Great buttonhole, like the neat computerized machines do, but
it's NOT an awkward 4-step, which I've used for 15 years, and always hated.
I also looked at comparable Vikings and Berninas, and the prices were
outrageously high. That's why I chose the Singer. I happen to like Singers,
too. 
Now, my old machine works just fine, and has served me well for all these
years. However, I found that the new machine will sew things that my old
machine balks at! I was surprised. It's a lightweight machine(because most
of the innards are plastic), but it sews some really heavy-duty stuff, quite
easily! I love my new machine.

Merry Christmas to me! 

Jane
 
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From: talmy@randvax.rand.org (Shel Talmy)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing,rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Xmas gifts for a quilt-o-maniac--Thanks
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:16:36 GMT
Organization: RAND Corp., Santa Monica, Ca.


Thanks very much to all of you who made suggestions for Xmas
gifts for "my quilt-o-maniac"!

I will now have to sneak around her workroom and try to figure
out what she doesn't have.
From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: repairing a damaged quilt
Date: 20 Dec 1992 08:50:32 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
NNTP-Posting-Host: functor.systemsz.cs.yale.edu

Last night I noticed that one of my pieced quilts has suffered some
cat damage -- one of the pieces has a hole about 1/2" across, and an
adjacent piece has a couple of smaller holes.  I still have some
matching fabric in my scrap bag, but I think that trying to replace
the damaged pieces would be likely to cause more problems than it
would solve (since it would involve picking apart all the surrounding
areas of the quilt as well).  Instead, I was thinking of using
applique technique to put the new pieces directly on top of the old,
and then just redoing the quilting in that one area.  Does that sound
reasonable?

What do you do if you *don't* have matching fabric?  About the only thing
I can think of doing is opening an adjacent seam and slipping a piece
of lightweight fusible interfacing underneath the hole to stabilize it.

-Sandra
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: ktorfason@trentu.ca (Kevin Torfason)
Subject: Stockings sewn of woven fabric (any help wanted)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent Computing and Telecommunications Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:06:00 GMT


This is my first posting so forgife me my mistakes.

I am very much in to making and wering clothes from the 18th century but my 
interest spans from about 1350 to 1799.  Men's and women's clothes 
espesialy from the 1700 to 1740 period are really in for me right now.  I 
dress in 18th century clothes most of the time and whenI am not I am wering 
Elizabethan clothes.  I have for some time been having a problem finding 
socks (or stockings) that go up above my knees or to my waist because Iam 
large (which costs me a lot in quantities of fabric), but since I make all 
my other clothes, I want to make my socks as well.  I have made some socks 
but I would like any help any one can offer in this,(books articles, etc.)  
I have beenmaking all my clothes (but my socks and shoes, untill this 
summer) for seven years.  mostly I just wanted to know if anyone out there 
was also in to this . 

P.S. If you know of any other groups I should get into please E-Mail that 
information as well.  

Thanks for reading and if you have anything you would like to say to me or 
ask of my E-Mail it to:
 KTOFRASON@TRENTU.CA
Kevin B.R.E. Torfason
a.k.a. The Renaissance Man
Lady Eaton College
Trent University
Peter's Patch (Peterborough), Ontario, Canada
K9J 7B8

Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: margo@tbird6.prime.com (Margo Kosicki)
Subject: Sewing stretch fabric on a regular machine
Reply-To: margo@s35.prime.com
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:36:48 GMT

I recently bought some fabric that is a cotton/lycra blend.  Is there any way to
sew this stuff with a regular sewing machine without it getting completely
stretched out?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
	Margo
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: nicolett@carson.u.washington.edu (Nicolette Roberge)
Subject: Re: remnants
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:32:05 GMT

I save all my scraps and sort them as I go. 
Wools can be used for comforters, weaving projects, braided rugs, accent
pieces, etc. 
I also use the backs of old blue jeans for weaving into kitchen rugs. 

Waste not, want not! 
Nicolette
From: pora@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Pora Park)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: CHIFFON--any advice appreciated
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:59:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu


Hello everyone,

Boy, I've been a lurker for years, always reading this great 
group.  Now's my chance to ask some questions!

My friend any I are going to sew my wedding gown, for my wedding
next July.  We're both about high-intermediate level sewers, though
we both have many years of experience.  I want to wear my gown as
a semi-fancy ballroom dancing gown (Hi Debbie Schwartz!) after
the wedding is over, so most of my planning is for a ballroom
gown, not a wedding gown.  I'm hot on chiffon, since one of my
ballroom dresses has if for a skirt and it looks fantastic in 
motion.  

     Main Question:

     Does anybody have any advice for working with chiffon?

I already know about using tissue as a stabilizer.  I'm really 
the most wary of how to finish all those yards and yards of
edges.  I could probably borrow a serger from a friend, but
I've never used one.  Would that be harder to learn just for
this job, or would trying to finish with my good ol' Singer be
crazy?


Thanks for any help!
email or post


Pora Park
pora@hera.berkeley.edu


standard disclaimers...
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: looking for sewing machine prices
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:18:26 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec11.120316.28717@mr.med.ge.com>, bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
> 
> As long as were on sewing machine ideas let me ask for your
> recomendations.  I'm looking at a second machine that 
> does not need to handle fancy stiching but needs to
> be able to handle upolstery fabricks and lighter
> weight leather.  I'm sick of sewing these by hand 
> and hate to spend the money for a coblers type
> machine.  Any suggestions out there?  Also would
> a serger work for this and how expensive are they?

My old Singer 301 (vintage late 60's) sewed a TON of upholstery, denim,
canvas, nylon webbing, tent material, leather, coated mylar....

Alas, this old workhorse finally bit the dust, but I was able to
find a replacement (same model) for $35 when I put an ad in the
paper.  Only real disadvantage to a 301 is that it only sews 
forward and backwards.

Kay Klier
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Silk Embroidery Question/Pointers
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:38:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu

I just bought my wife and I a matching pair of silk lounging robes.  I've
gotten the idea they could use a little embellishment, but I don't want
to go for a simple monogram.  She's crazy about plumerias and I lean
towards Chinese tapestries.  The monogramming folks around the Triangle
haven't been helpful, but I'm looking for a way to get these embroidered
onto the robes.  Any pointers would be helpful.

Peace


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From: jfarmer@cs.utk.edu (JOHN FARMER)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: making dressmakers form
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:40:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

Recently, I saw an article in a sewing magazine on "how to make your own
Dressmakers form."  Unfortunately, when I went back to get the article, the 
magazine was gone.  Can anybody tell me *what* magazine this was (so I can
attempt to get the issue from the publisher), or would anybody be willing
to sell me a copy of this magazine, or a copy of the article.

Thanks.
Susan


The news server on the machine my wife uses is broken, so I posted
this for.  Please reply to her (farmer@cs.utk.edu).

	Thanks	John T.

-- 
John T. Farmer, Jr.					jfarmer@cs.utk.edu
Full-time Daddy, Part-time Grad Student,
Full-time wage slave, Wood butcher when I can.
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From: f_lymberyvg@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sewing,rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Xmas gifts for a quilt-o-maniac
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:27:24 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

TIn article <4057@randvax.rand.org>, talmy@randvax.rand.org (Shel Talmy) writes:
> 
> As the header says, my wife has a mania for quilts, and I'd
> 
> appreciate any hints as to Christmas gifts I could give her to
> 
> fuel her mania.  Thanks much.
> 
> 
> 
> 

 There is a gadget from That Patchwork Place that measures 1/4 inch on either
side of a seam line for making speed-pieced triangles.   
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Subject: Re: Ballgown advice from rec.arts.dance
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:05:36 GMT

pora@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Pora Park) writes:

>1) Will the chiffon layer just sit on the surface of the crepe and
>   look useless, or will it actually float off a bit when in 
>   motion?

You also wanted to know about using a serger for finishing chiffon
edges...

You can produce a nice rolled edge on a serger, much more neatly than
with a conventional machine because it's sewn right after it's cut so
there's less chance for it to fray. You might need to experiment with
threads: my Hobbylock needs wooly nylon to produce a nice rolled edge.

This may give the hem enough body to stand away from the underskirts a
little, so it will float. If it doesn't, you can serge the hem over fine
fishing line, so it gets rolled up inside the fabric, and this will give
it more body. Buy the line from a sports shop, then you get get several
different weights to experiment with. This is the easiest way I can
think of to give extra body to the hem - I wouldn't fancy sewing on 9+
yards of feather boa!

The fullness of the skirt will fall mostly along the straight grain of
the fabric. You need to consider this when you lay out your skirt
panels. If the front and side seams lie on the straight grain, you'll 
get fullness there. This may not be as flattering as having the fullness
down the centre of each panel.

Good luck - do let us know how the project goes!

Sally
From: SUSAN FARMER <farmer@cs.utk.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: cover your own buttons
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:38:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Originator: jfarmer@duncan.cs.utk.edu

A *long* time ago, my mom bought some "cover yourself" buttons which are
different from what you buy now.  The button shank was attached to the
part you cover, so that if the button came apart, it *couldn't* come off
because the covered part was sewed to the garment.

Are these still available anywhere?  I hope yall can help.

Thanks
Susan

The news server on the machine my wife uses is broken so I'm posting
this for her.  Please reply to her (farmer@cs.utk.edu)
	John T.


-- 
John T. Farmer, Jr.					jfarmer@cs.utk.edu
Full-time Daddy, Part-time Grad Student,
Full-time wage slave, Wood butcher when I can.
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: psburns@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS)
Subject: Re: remnants
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Dec 1992 11:27 EST  

In article <28614@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, chamberl@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Anne Chamberlain) writes...
>What do you sewers do with your remnants?
> 
>I save everything---maybe I'll get into quilting some day, I hope, I
>hope.  But what do I do with the wools?  How about some creative brainstorming
>for woolen remnants?
> 
>Anne

"Remnants"...I've always thought it was such an insensitive, hurtful and even 
innaccuate word for something that I've devoted an entire closet to.  I 
think I prefer the word "Relics".  It's much more reflective of the 
solemnity deserving of something that I've spent so much of my available 
resources on!

Maureen
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: Mail order sources
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:06:34 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <75686@apple.apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:

   But now I'm so disgusted with the local fabric shops I'm hoping you
   can steer me to some other mail order places.  All I want is some
   cotton Chamois cloth to make a shirt for my husband for Christmas.
   They used to have it at New York Fabrics because that's what the
   boys' knickers were, but it's gone.  I'd settle for flannel, but
   all they have is baby flannel with ducks and stuff on it.  I found
   some really crappy printed-on check flannel, but the stuff so off-
   kilter I don't think it's worth trying to sew it up.

   Anyway, what other mail order places do people like and what are
   their phone numbers?

 Sew Natural Fabrics by Mail
 4650 Bishop Road, Mechanicsville MD 20659
 (800) 368-0126  or  (301) 373-3067

They have some nice Chamois - I don't know how many colors, and I
don't know if you can get it before xmas, but it's worth a call.

and here's another

 Jennifer's Fabric by Mail
 53 Yorkshire Rd, Lexington, Ohio  44904
 (419) 884-3328

I don't know if they have any chamios....

Good luck!
				*Tigger*

-- 

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tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

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