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From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:05:06 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Oct13.192015.16353@husc3.harvard.edu>,
garcia@husc10.harvard.edu (Javier Garcia-Torres) writes:
>
>       Tia Carrere as Holly???  I thought Kim Basinger was playing Holly.  
>                       ^^^^^
>       But in all seriousness, I don't think that Tia, lovely though she
>may be, would be right for Molly.  She's not pumped enough.  And she'd
>have to lose her tan(i.e. scene in the T-A compound where she has to
>convince Case to put on the tan-in-a-bottle).  So would the entire cast,
>come to think of it.
I thinkd that be a bit hard considering shes oriental.  Big deal, cut the
tan-in-a-bottle scene, you have to cut something out of a bok to make the movie
and Id rather have it be that then the fightings at 3janes place...

So they change it so Mollys oriental, Im sure their looking for the attitude
more then the looks...  Looks can be faked...

 bliss
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Subject: Re: Post-cascades (was Re: U2)
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:05:29 GMT

In article <EeplCF_00YV7A1smYh@andrew.cmu.edu> wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 9-Oct-92 Re: Post-cascades (was Re:
>U2) by morpheus@entropy.mcds.co 
>> > You poseurs.  I'm writing this message from the collection of little
>> > sticks I keep inside my cave, near my fire.
>>  
>> I haven't even evolved enough to write.  So there.
>
>You multi-cellular organisms think you're so talented!  Humbug!  Try
>typing without any appendages...

I'm just a point, but I feel so CONSTIPATED.  Like, I'm gonna... I'm gonna..
<BANG!>
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shaun@octel.com  ||  LOTFB: Lying On The Floor Bleeding
             
(I didn't write the above.  I left my terminal unattended, and the janitor 
sat on it.)
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: U2
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:01:11 GMT
Organization: BBS

Information Society - who cares if the music is CP, how is anyone determining
CP music anyways?  Music that talks about the future or music that people will
listen to in the future?  I think people will listen to everything, youll still
have people listening to the Doors and Led Zeplin as well as new stuff. 
I doubt Information Society will be viewed as non-CP so they wont listen to
it...

 bliss
From: system@ble.UUCP (SysOp)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk and the rave scene
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:46:53 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Black Lodge Engineering, Concord, CA, USA

peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz) writes:

> of the two... And I just went to a rave (the pathetic occurrence
> that it is), and though, "Gee, aren't people into cyberpunk going
> to be too cynical for this happy colorful video glossy rave scene?"
> Are the two connected? 
> Just curious

If its pathetic its b/c you went to a 'commercial' rave. Let me guess. It
was in a club right? First of all, the serious ravers have been doing it
since '88 at least. Of course it wasn't techno back then but acid house.
'Fo that it was deep house, garage house, whatever. You ever been to a
hardcore rave? E flowing like water? Abandoned industrial warehouse, dust
in the air, machines in the background. Or maybe an airplane hangar w/
battered relics of flight lying around. All with Ultraviolet Catastrophe
pumping in the air. That's where its at man...

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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd)
Subject: Re: reality?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:58:37 GMT

In article <39111@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bkoike@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Bryce Koike) writes:
|
|	I never thought that any cyberpunk world was created out of
|a "revolution."  Instead it seemed to be more of a gradual evolution
|out of what we have today.  (Differs depending on the game, novel,
|author, etc, of course...)  

I agree...IF CP is going to become really really real :), it won't be
out of revolution...That seems pretty inane to me...Most likely it
would be the precursor to revolution....

|Many feel that we are already living in
|a Cyberpunk world and in some ways I simply cannot argue with that.
|(Walking around LA and Las Vegas at night and walking along San
|Diego beaches looking at the buildings and homes covering the hills
|like viruses is a little strange...like deja vu...)

Yeah, know what you mean...I live about 5 miles from Denver Tech
Center - ahuge business park....I'm surrounded by AT&T, MCI, Boeing,
Hughes, IBM, military complexes...A zaibatsu lover's wet-dreamm...

|	Personally, I don't think that a CP world is coming, but
|stranger things have happened in our past, I suppose.  (My own
|"future world" feels considerably darker to me than any CP world
|I've read about.  It's not really cyberpunk, but it makes the
|Gibsonian universe look like a romp in the park...)

I sincerely doubt this, yet I have heard this opinion expressed many
times before, particularly be my "alternative" or "industrial"
friends...When looking to the future, people always emphasize more
drastic change than their eventually turns out to be....These opinions
are even less surprising considering we're 8 years away from a new
millenia, and change always seems to spring up more prevalently at the
end of a century.....At any rate, if anything, Gibson's world seems a
drastic change to me....I think the future will be more benine - don't
expect change to keep increasing beyond the logrhythmic pace it's
on now...

|>--
|>Jeremy_Reimer@ |"Anti-ninjas were the most feared assassins in the world.
|>mindlink.bc.ca | Instead of appearing out of thin air, throwing metal stars
|>---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
|>aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
|>---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
|>Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"


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From: wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: EAT ME CYBERWEENIES
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin) 

Were you a system:

1. Check the CPU for overheating; perhaps it's frying.
2. Scan the hard drive for read/write errors.  Mark bad sectors as bad.
3. Remove the math coprocessor and check for improvement.
4. Verify all PIN settings and look for IRQ conflicts.
5. Reinstall an older version of the OS.

In your case, I'd recommend a week without booze to see if you can take
it.  Two cans of beer a day are allowed.  If you find that you can't,
consider a local detox program; you need debugging.

If this is, however, a philosophical post; consider getting a new
philosophy.

Wendell
From: wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: reality?
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:23:07 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 7-Oct-92 Re: reality? by pinkerton
floyd@nyx.cs.d 
> I agree...Anarchy for one is practically impossible, let alone anarchy
> combined with it's polar opposite - oppressive industrialized
> mega-zaibatsus... 

    In most of the genre literature, the anarchy is limited to the
denizens of the streets - the corporations control things on the
worldwide scale, they simply do not constitute the focus of the
literature.

    Witness our world.  There is no reason to think that these two
concepts cannot both exist.  Look at L.A. for anarchy...merge that with
the undeniable fact that the power of corporations grows in this society
with every passing day.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:46:17 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
> wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)  writes:
> >
> >Granted, the grammar and syntax were less than kosher (to put it
> >mildly), but the contention was valid (IMHO): Sterling isn't a 
> >great writer. He's accepted as a great CP author, but his style 
> >is sleepy. Walter Jon Williams and Gibson may have shortcomings, 
> >but they aren't sleepy.  
> 
> I've never found Sterling sleepy in the slightest. Maybe some of us 
> have more ability to read than others?

no, Sterling's style is much different than Gibson's. how you read
it is (mostly) irrelevant. one of the things that attracted me
to Neuromancer was the furious pace. it's the literary equivalent of 
future shock.

Sterling is more solid, but completely lacks the ability to shove
the reader out over the edge.

if the Difference Engine had been a Sterling book there'd be few
complaints. other than the fact that the plot (what there was) jumped 
around a bit it would have been fairly typical. but it -wasn't- just 
a Sterling book. Gibson's name was on the cover as well. and readers 
who were expecting the kind of breathtaking, scream-a-minute mindfuck 
that was  in Neuromancer/Count Zero/Mona Lisa were seriously 
disappointed.

their fault? sure. for expecting too much. and for comparing two
authors who are nothing alike, except for a silly label. still,
i'll buy Virtual Light as soon as it comes out. Sterling's stuff
doesn't get read unless i'm bored & come across it in a library.

jason

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From: ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow)
Subject: Re: U2
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:59:50 GMT


I don't think that U2 is a cyberpunk band, but the Zepplin might
be, I'm not quite sure what my definition of CP band will be,
but I'm giving the Information Society a 100% of being included
in it. Just look at their latest album, "HACK", with the pic of a
beat up car on the front, and a series of pictures of the members
sitting in front of torn apart computers and spray painted skulls
... That will easily fit in... -George Gruschow

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From: dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mona Lisa Overdrive
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:04:54 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA


        Has anyone read Mona Lisa Overdrive by William Gibson? How old is 
this book (in relation to other books he's written)? How much does this 
book sell for currently (around)..
 
=All help appreciated! Thanks=
 
Doug

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From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Effector 3.06
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:30:08 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

I got the Effector 3.06 with Stearlings articale in it.
I would post it her but I need a DOS version of Split...
Anyone know where I can find one??

                       Bret Johnson


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberpunk.movement,rec.music.industrial
From: coan@griffin (Brian M Coan)
Subject: "Industrial Nation" has many faults
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:11:29 GMT

Someone on alt.cyberpunk asked about the zine "Industrial Nation". Well,
it had some OK music reviews...but then they reviewed the book "Angry
Women", and the idiot male reviewer got all offended by the "anti-male"
sentiments of the book...yo, why aren't they "pro-women"??..and then
they ran an ad for the "Anarchist Cookbook"!!!! :0  That book is
total shit, it was put out by the State, and every political anarchist
steals it and chucks it in the garbage where it belongs...why not
review a good anarchist/punk zine like "Profane Existance", or a politcal
anarchist paper like "Love and Rage" or "Arm the Sprit"?

IMHO, "Industrial Nation" was like a lot of 'industrial' culture stuff:
loud-mouth with no knowledge, suburban patriarchs, etc....

See ya...

--
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From: ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow)
Subject: Re: mondo 2000 #7 and tec
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:51:00 GMT


Hey! Does anyone know where I can get a hold on a Mondo 2000 mag,
And or a subscription to them!

More importantly, how can I get a hold on a 2600 mag, and or a 
subscription!

Just give me an Electronic Mail address or a Physical address,
and I shall be forever endetted to you. (NOT!)


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From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:23:56 GMT

In article <2421.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com> wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)  writes:
>
>Granted, the grammar and syntax were less than kosher (to put it
>mildly), but the contention was valid (IMHO): Sterling isn't a great
>writer.  He's accepted as a great CP author, but his style is sleepy.
>Walter Jon Williams and Gibson may have shortcomings, but they aren't
>sleepy.  Remember, this is a branch of SF - presentation is more
>important than "literature."  Hemingway could have written CP; Melville
>couldn't.

 I've never found Sterling sleepy in the slightest. Maybe some of us have
more ability to read than others?

Wassail,
Al
From: cobb@tnl.com (john cobb)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: reality?
Summary: drink coffee
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:02:49 GMT
Organization: The Northern Lights, Troy NY

relax.  you worry too much.
everything is just fine.
work hard
multiply
drink coffee
sleep
conform
dan quail is a great man
i'm ok.  your ok.  george bush is looking out for you.
From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (H. R. Costigan)
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:25:09 GMT

<BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
A few years ago I read in a magazine that Neuromancer the movie was being made.
Has anyone else ever heard about this and if so what happened to it? 

--
This has got to be one of the big FAQs in sci-fi films.  The
script has been floating around Hollywood for ages now, with
various folks looking into it as actors or directors.  Nothing
salient has ever come out of it though.  The latest rumor (and
it's a rumor only) is that Bill Pullman has been cast as Case,
Tia Carrere as Holly, and Paul Newman as Armitage.  If this is
true, I find the casting to be inappropriate, but as it's just
another rumor I don't hold much truth in it.  As the adage
goes, "Believe it when you see it."
--
                               Curt Tsui
                           curt@Virginia.EDU                                  
    "I've got a peculiar weakness for criminals and artists -- neither
                takes life as it is." -- Stanley Kubrick
From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie?
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:42:36 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia


><BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>A few years ago I read in a magazine that Neuromancer the movie was being made.
>Has anyone else ever heard about this and if so what happened to it? 

Unfortunately it achieved a form of sentience as all the Hollywood people
tried to think when they read it, and it eventually ran off to New Mexico.
It returns to Hollywood occasionally, mainly to try and woo the next script
by some writer, whose name escapes me.  Anyone?

I'm not putting my .sig to this!
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: 911087e@ace.acadiau.ca (JOHN ANTHONY ENZINAS)
Subject: Re: Anger in Cyberpunk
Summary: In Neuromancer etc. There's no Anger!?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:08:09 GMT

In article <TimKordas.3.719163640@cwru.edu> TimKordas@cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:
>In article <pvanheus.719133311@frodo> pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden) writes:

i think that there  is no anger because of the omnipresent corps.
kind of like you can fight the system and you might win but in the long run 
it really won't make much difference. even if you do shut one of the 
badguys down they will only by replaced. there is no real effect of getting 
angry at a corporation, it is  like getting mad at god. neither cares.
the only thing that your struggling could give you is freedom. imho it is 
also one of the few things worth struggling for....

Disclamer: these statements are spoken under the influnce of sleep 
deprivation and a pointless FORTRAN assignment.

--johnny vague  
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From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: reality?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:38:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.140430.29630@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.024544.28518@highlite.uucp> mike@highlite.uucp
>(Mike Wiik) writes: 
>|...
>|I understand that copying copywrited software recently became a felony. That's
>|the kind of law I like: millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans made
>|into felons overnight. Sound familiar?
>|	-Mike
>
>Well, first of all, it's only a felony if you get caught...

Wrong.  You only get tried and possibly convicted if you're caught,
but I crime is in the committing.  Its a felony offence as soon as
you commit it.  It a felony conviction after you are arrested, tried,
and found guilty.

Rather or not the law is just, wheter or not it should be a felony,
these are other issues.  But it is important to remember that as soon
as you commit a copyright enfringement, you are a felon.  People 
should understand this.  We're playing with fire and need to understand
that if we're not careful, we can get burnt.

Oh, and by the way, this is not a new law.  Felony copyright infringement
has been around for a long time.

ratner
From: astoker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew Stoker)
Subject: Richard Paul Russo
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:54:06 GMT


Or is it Paul Richard Russo (aaarrgh), anyway, he's not on the CP booklist
posted earlier in this group, but I spotted a couple of books by him in a
local bookshop titled ``Destroying Angel'' and ``The Subteranean Gallery''.
The blurb for the former suggests it could be CPish, not so sure about the
second.

Anyone read these?  Would you recommend them, or any of his other work?

	Andrew

P.S. I've been told that Destroying Angel is the name of a highly poisonous
mushroom, apparently most common in England
--
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Leicester Uni.   | "Capital, we shall give you a horse that can't be ridden."
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From: Jay_Daunheimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jay Daunheimer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: The A&E Special on Mr.Cornell
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:57:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Anybody watch it?

The name caught my ear. It was nice to see some of the feeling that Mr.Gibson
was trying to present in "Mona Lisa Overdrive".

Question:

Is the machine in "MLO" a representation of Cornell's life?

Question:

How is Cornell's crippled brother representated?

Question:

Are the real boxes cyberpunk? (God I hate labels, but some of you get it.)

Question:

Are the jump clips and edits of the stolen films like industrial music
sampling? (There's a label again!)

Question:

What would Corenell do today? With todays technology? Computer graphics?

Question:

Would or did Corenll have a book published?

Question:

What was Mr.Gibson's introduction and source of information to Cornell's
work? Was it exposure at school?

Question:

Was Mr.Gibson watching at the same time I was during the dark cold night
in Vancouver? Or was he hanging out with Penn and Teller at Benny's Bagels?

Question:

Last Question. Was Tom Maddox drinking coffee at the time?


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From: jbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James S Brown)
Subject: Re: casting Armitage
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:43:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.160401.4696@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> millere@frith.msu.edu wri
tes:
>When I read the novel I pictured Rutger Hauer as being Armitage.

I went into the wrong bar once--thought I'd wandered into a Blue Velvet party, 
if such a thing existed.  I have the kind of face that apparently tells people 
who talk to strangers to talk to me, and a guy at the bar was one of those 
people.  He told me about his family, about how he could kick his daughter's 
boyfriend's ass if he wanted to, about what he'd do to me if I ever broke into 
his house (?!!).  I sat and nodded, didn't smile, said "Hell, yeah!" a 
lot...and hoped somebody I knew or could pretend to know would wander in.

The thing about him was his eyes.  I was afraid to glance over his shoulder to
the door, because he had me pinned with these eyes.  I didn't quite know what
Gibson meant when he said that Armitage's eyes were so pale they reminded Case
of bleach, not until I met this guy.  And every now and then I'd say something 
to him and he'd just look at me, like I'd suddenly started speaking a language 
he couldn't understand.  And his eyes would glaze over.  He was telling me 
about being a Ranger when I made the Armitage connection, and I was almost 
drunk enough to try to explain it to him, but he was already upset, so I kept 
my mouth shut, and when he went to the can, I left.

When I was a kid I always thought it would be neat to meet characters out of 
books, but that was one encounter I could have done without.  He didn't really 
look like Rutger Hauer, but he was like him somehow--know what I mean?
-- 
"If this is supposed to be satire, I don't get it.  If it's not, then 
somebody's in bad shape."        --Sam Shepard, Rolling Thunder Logbook

               Jim Brown [jbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu]
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