HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:53:25 GMT

Craig Silver writes:

   ...I think it would be appropriate and
   convenient to the readers of your articles to put your city,
   province/state, and country of residence (work, study, or from
   wherever you post) at the end of your articles or in your
   signature file.

Why?

What does this have to do with the reader's interpretation of the
content of the posting?

What does the location of the author (or at least his/her affiliation,
which is not reliably related to the net address) be relevant?

Why are the "From:" or "Reply-to:" net addresses, which give
considerable information about the posting location, insufficient?

If one desperately needs to know another's physical location, cannot one
ask politely in private correspondence?


Elizabeth Willey
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Subject: Re: prisoners?
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:02:41 GMT

bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP (Rick Harrison) writes:

>joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:

>> bbs-hrick@jwt.UUCP (Rick Harrison) writes:
>> 
>> >Are there any newsgroups devoted to prisoners' rights, prisoners'
>> >support groups, or anything along those lines?
>> > 
>> >Maybe prisoners should be given computer terminals instead of TVs.
>> 
>> How absurd.  A prisoner is a prisoner because he was convicted of violating
>> somebody else's rights.  What does that say about his own rights?  I say he
>> has forfeited them; if that other's rights were of no value to him, then his
>> own can't be either.
> 
>If prisoners have no rights as you suggest, perhaps next you
>will advocate that we gas them all to death, sell the silver and
>gold from their dental fillings, use their hair to stuff pillows,
>and make lampshades from their skin?  Sieg heil!

No, a quick death for _repeat_offenders_of_violent_crimes_ will be sufficient.
Or, we could confine them to labor camps (which *they* can help build).
First time offenders would go to these camps; microcosms of the Real World,
where the rule is: work if you expect to be fed/clothed/housed/etc.  Those
who work or attend training or both will learn enough to be released, and
with *all* of their rights restored, including the rights to vote and to
own and use firearms.  Those who will not work shall be permitted to starve.
Not "starved", *permitted* (i.e. by their own choice) to starve.  Repeat
offenders, those who will not and/or cannot learn, get life sentences (which
means until they die, not some period of years), with no possibility of
parole, or are shot.

>Many people in Florida are in prison for such crimes as
>possession of marijuana, driving a car without a license,
>soliciting sex in public restrooms, and so forth.  I once
>got arrested for resisting arrest -- that's right, the only
>charge against me was resisting arrest.  Not all prisoners
>are vicious rapists or toxic waste dumpers.

I agree with you.  None of those activities violated anyone's rights, just
the delicate sensibilities of people who use force to inflict their
religion-based pseudo-morality on the rest of us.  Even people that ignorant
are not likely to try to argue that these are crimes *of violence*.

The bottom line for would-be criminals is, if you don't like the consequences
of your actions, THEN DON'T TAKE THE ACTION!

-JTT
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Unclothed! (was: Re: Home alarms hooked to police?)
Followup-To: misc.misc
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:27:56 GMT

In article <C0I5JI.Hr6@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:

> [little bit deleted]

>jamesd@techbook.COM                   "2516 newsgroups & nothing on ..."  
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^

James:

Shouldn't you be cross-posting everything to rec.nude??

Ed (insert smiley) Leihy
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: prisoners?
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:09:18 GMT

joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:

>A "right", IMO, is something that is intrinsic to [human] nature; i.e. the
>Law of Identity (A=A) applies.  I believe I have a right to the use of my

Hey - I've just realised I could search for loose Randites by grepping for
"A=A" on the news directory. Neato! Thinking of that fabulous capital A,
has anyone out there seen an "educational" comic by Steve Ditko called
"Mr. A"? It's totally Randoloonie - all about this guy in a suit who goes
around beating up fools who've fallen into the trap of moral relativism,
and rants about how there's really only Black and White.


						Objectively,


							Steve Taylor

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: n36ia@pnet16.cts.com (Et3 Francis)
Subject: Blond Indians???
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:16:09 GMT

Ok, I seem to remember hearing some where that a group of explorers(Lewis and
Clark I think) found a tribe of blond indians during their explorations.
Unfortunately I can't find anything to back up what I've heard and my boss
doesn't believe what I said I heard. If anyone else has heard about this
please send me something about it so I can show him...
                                        Thanks,
                                                Brian

"who do you want to be today..."

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: NE0152@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Science Trivia Question - Glasses Steamed Up
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:16:27 PST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house,misc.misc
From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: science trivia question - glasses steamed up
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:16:10 GMT


Why do the insides of my glasses sometimes get steamed up when
I am wearing them? It seems to happen during cold weather, and
only one eye at a time.
My guess is that my skin and eye are hotter than the other side
of the glasses. But why does it happen inconsistently?
I know it's a stupid question....Don't write just to say so....
--
Robert Chao
Oakland, California

OK! So I'm not writing to say so.....

The Q  :)




Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: The Ugly and Vicious Place Chicago Has Become
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:06:00 GMT

Interesting stories, all. Now, how many have ever witnessed
any of these types of events?
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Language Censors
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:30:54 GMT

Here is some background information from the Computers
and Academic Freedom archive.

- Carl

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
law/doe-v-u-of-michigan
=================
* Expression -- Hate Speech -- Doe v. U of Michigan

This is Doe v. University of Michigan. In this widely referenced
decision, the district judge down struck the University's rules
against discriminatory harassment because the rules were found to be too
broad and too vague.

=================
caf
=================
* About the CAF mailing lists (and newsgroups)

A description of the comp-academic-freedom-talk mailing list. It is a
free-forum for the discussion of questions such as: How should general
principles of academic freedom (such as freedom of expression, freedom
to read, due process, and privacy) be applied to university computers
and networks? How are these principles actually being applied? How can
the principles of academic freedom as applied to computers and
networks be defended?

=================
=================

If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
   gopher gopher.eff.org

These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/law/doe-v-u-of-michigan
  pub/academic/caf

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom/law doe-v-u-of-michigan
send acad-freedom caf

-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
 = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Reply-To: pt@compass.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:32:17 GMT

hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:

>Jeez.  If you don't want to put the info in your .sig, don't put
>it in your .sig, but why all the fuss?

Because I have to pay for what _you_ put in your sig.  Long distance phone
calls, modem time, disk space.  If you're being redundant, you're not hurting
yourself, you're hurting hundreds of other people.  Not a big hurt, but
repeat it 75 thousand times a week (the number of articles in a full feed),
and we get a little peeved.

-- 
I'm the News Administrator at this site, and you're not!
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
Newsgroups: misc.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: kussow@io.nosc.mil (Matt Kussow)
Subject: test
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:10:29 GMT


last one
From: nsus_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Nick Susch)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: What heappened at 10:09 (Watch adds)
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:08:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I have a question that has been bugging me for awhile, why are analog
watches in store catalogs always set to 10:09? I, at first, thought that it
was just because it looked good, but every single watch, no matter what
catalog you look in is like that. Any one know why?

--
They say there is strangeness too dangerous | /\/ick Susch - U. of Rochester
In our theatres and bookstore shelves,      | nick@blaise.cif.rochester.edu
That those who know what's best for us      |    or
Must rise and save us from ourselves.       | nsus_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
				   -RUSH   	
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: koningj@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Gert Koning)
Subject: Need info: University tuition systems
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:31:22 GMT
Organization: University of South Africa

The University of South Africa is a distance teaching institution that
has been in existance from 1946. It has 120 000 students none of which
are campus based - all tuition is through correspondence. Although the
university teaches through correspondence, it still has a fixed academic
year of twelve months, January through December.

The huge number of students and the projected growth of our student
population necessitates an urgent investigation of this university model.
UNISA is currently investigating the possibility of an open system of
registration where the student registers at any time according to his/her
particular circumstances and sit for an examination when ready. There are
other universities that operate according to similar tuition systems.
Information pertaining to such institutions (Location, Contact Person,
Fax number, etc.) is urgently required.

Can you help? Please reply by E-mail to koningj@risc1.unisa.ac.za.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gert Koning (koningj@risc1.unisa.ac.za)
Department of Computer Services
University of South Africa - Pretoria - RSA
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: The Ugly and Vicious Place Chicago Has Become
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:49:53 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


And you didn't mention the Christmas party at Schiller school, where
gifts had been donated for the poor students, and a contingent of
parents rushed the stage and stole the gifts.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
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From: wohler@hw1175.sap-ag.de (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:45:44 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG  Walldorf, Germany
Phone: +49 6227-341658  Home: +49 6221-163255
             <813@ulogic.UUCP>
X-Mailer: MH [Version 6.7.2]


  for your son of rfc1036, if it's not too late, may i suggest that
  the following paragraph be updated.

2.2.8.  Organization

    The text of this line is a short phrase describing the organization
    to which the sender belongs, or to which the machine belongs.  The
    intent of this line is to help identify the person posting the
    message, since host names are often cryptic enough to make it hard
    to recognize the organization by the electronic address.

  the new text might read:

    It is also suggested to include the city, state, province, and
    country for the benefit of those in other countries.

  in defense of the person who said "Why?" and got flamed, in most
  cases, the .signature information is redundant (in from, reply-to or
  organization headers) or useless and as such should be reduced, not
  fattened.

  and for those who flamed about americans being usa-centric, i think
  you'd be too if you could go your whole life without ever needing a
  passport or another language.  not that it's right, it just is.

						--bw
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: Language Censors
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:48:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.191544.15800@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>Ahem...Ms. Meizlish's email address is:
> [address deleted]

     And how do you expect us to use this information, Anne?

     By the way, I wonder if the Wall Street Journal's broad
conception of "freedom of speech" extends to the reprinting of
copyrighted articles from their paper.  Or to hate mail, for
that matter.

--J.
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Language Censors in Madison
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:32:25 GMT

Here is some more background information.

- Carl

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
law/uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin
=================
* Expression -- Hate Speech -- UWM Post v. U Of Wisconsin

The full text of UWM POST v. U. of Wisconsin. This recent district
court ruling goes into detail about the difference between protected
offensive expression and illegal harassment. It even mentions email.

It concludes: "The founding fathers of this nation produced a
remarkable document in the Constitution but it was ratified only with
the promise of the Bill of Rights.  The First Amendment is central to
our concept of freedom.  The God-given "unalienable rights" that the
infant nation rallied to in the Declaration of Independence can be
preserved only if their application is rigorously analyzed.

The problems of bigotry and discrimination sought to be addressed here
are real and truly corrosive of the educational environment.  But
freedom of speech is almost absolute in our land and the only
restriction the fighting words doctrine can abide is that based on the
fear of violent reaction.  Content-based prohibitions such as that in
the UW Rule, however well intended, simply cannot survive the
screening which our Constitution demands."

=================
=================

If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
   gopher gopher.eff.org

These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/law/uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom/law uwm-post-v-u-of-wisconsin

-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
 = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Tom Likus (was: Bill Gates)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:53:52 GMT

Speaking of Bill Gates.... Does anyone know why Tom Likus disappeared
off KFI and was replaced by the UNinteresting Bill Gates?

Is Likus (sp?) somewhere else on LA talk radio?

Actually just curious...

el
From: aj728@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Waylon Adams)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Orthodontic info requested...
Date: 12 Jan 1993 07:11:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj728@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Waylon Adams)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



Please send all replies to the above address to prevent cluttering 
the topic -- and thanks in advance for any and all help.

  
Hello!  I'm helping a friend of mine do a college
research project (in Psychology) on the subject of
Orthodontics.  We are looking for several things I hope
someone out there can help us with. 
      
First, we would like to get pictures and/or of a
person who wears (or used to wear) orthodontic headgear or
similar appliances.  If you or someone you know might be
able to help, please reply to this message or to the US
Snail address below. 
	    
Also, we'd like to find any movie, TV show, magazine
or story that has in it a person wearing any type of
orthodontic appliances.  Even short stories or brief
appearances in a show would help.  If you have read or seen
some book/movie/show that has a person wearing braces or
(especially) headgear, please drop us a note (Email or US
mail) describing where you saw it (name of book/show,
author, etc...)
		  
Any help you can provide would be appreciated.  My
friend has quite a while to gather this data, so she's
expected to come up with a lot of stuff -- all help is
appreciated! 
		        
Please Email me here, or send a letter to the
following address:
			    
                Orthodontic Research
		925-C East Broad St. 
		Gadsden, AL 35903
							     
Thanks again! 
								  
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,misc.writing,news.admin.misc,news.admin
From: drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David R. Linn)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:39:39 GMT

In article <377@apdnmi.idca.tds.philips.nl> talstra@idca.tds.philips.nl (louw talstra) writes:
>In article <ELIZ.93Jan4175325@corpus-callosum.ai.mit.edu> eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:
>> What does the location of the author be relevant?
>> ...
>> If one desperately needs to know another's physical location, cannot one
>> ask politely in private correspondence?
>Sure, but knowing about the location may add to understanding the original
>posting, or prevent misunderstanding if you wish.
>

This information is supposed to be in the Organization (or Organisation,
if you prefer) header.  If it is not there, many news posting programs
allow the user to override the default value.  Since there is already
a standard place for this info, wouldn't be better to put it there?
-- 
David R. Linn, System/Mail/News Manager	| INET: drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
Disclaimer: I speak only for myself	| Phone: [+1] 615-343-6164
      "Some do, some don't and that's the way of the world."
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From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,misc.writing,news.admin.misc,news.admin
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:19:33 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu

In article <ELIZ.93Jan4175325@corpus-callosum.ai.mit.edu> eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:
>What does this have to do with the reader's interpretation of the
>content of the posting?

Cultural context is everything.  This should be self-evident, and is,
for everybody but North Americans.  Lost cause.  ;-)
-- 
Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
Northampton, MA, USA
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:58:47 GMT

[I cut the crossposts]

davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman) writes:
>>considerable information about the posting location, insufficient?
>       Just look at them!  I happen to know where mit.edu is (I could
>       probably find it in my sleep, since I went there), but I don't
>       know where "sfu.ca" (Craig's location) is, except that I believe

The "From:"s are inadequate, but a large number of posts have a valid
"Organization:" line in them.  For instance:

>|    Physical - AT&T Bell Labs  -  Lincroft, NJ          07738

We already know that, it's in your header:

  Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ

It's in mine as well, and lots of others.  Now, some news readers will
hide this info unless you hit the "Show full header" key, but if you
really need to know, what's a keystroke?  Those with a good
"Organization:" line should be covered, and those without one might
want to drop a hint to their organization.
-- 
I'll never get off this planet.
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: The Ugly and Vicious Place Chicago Has Become
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:28:00 GMT

In article <93.01.04.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu writes...
>age of 14. Here are the details of a few from this past year here.


I'm =dying= to know how Mr. Townson wrote this article.
Did he keep a clipping file of individual stories and compile
his article from it? Or did he derive it from some
long feature story he saw in the newspaper? My bet is
the latter. If so, he should credit his source.
From: asuncion@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: books wanted
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:34:00 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

WANTED, 2 books:

(1) Father Thompkins of Nova Scotia
    by George Boyle
    published by P. J. Kenedy & Sons, New York, 1953

(2) The Story of Tompkinville
    by Mary E. Arnold
    published by The Cooperative League, New York, 1940

Please reply to:

Anne M. Swarce
1025 High St
Bridgewater, MA
02324, USA
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: How is your commute from Half Moon Bay to SF?
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:23:28 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Hi,
I am considering a move to Half Moon Bay, but
first I would like to find what it is like to
commute from that area.

Does anyone commute from the Half Moon Bay Area
(Montara especially) to San Francisco? How
long does it take you?
Are there van pools available? Where do they
begin and end?

What route has worked best for you? I know one can take
highway 92, but there looks like there is another
route available exiting at Pacifica.

Thank-you for sharing your experiences with me.
Please email to me directly at

viviana@tamri.com

Thanks!
Vivian

-- 
                                                        ____
Vivian	Aldridge                       o__    Bay Area	\  / 
viviana@tamri.com	       	      _.>/ _  Commuter   \/
Toshiba America MRI      	     (_) \(_) SF (Haight St) 
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