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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson to Sacto
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson, Sacramento Kings
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:49:23 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Dec14.012747.28989@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>The latest trade rumor, which seems to have some credence, is
>that the Dallas Mavericks will trade their unsigned No. 1
>draft pick this year (4th overall), Jimmy Jackson,
>to the Sacramento Kings for small forward Lionel Simmons and
>a No. 1 draft pick.  Simmons was the 7th overall pick in
>1990 and the runnerup to Derrick Coleman in rookie of the year
>balloting.  
>
>Jerry Reynolds, GM at Sacramento, has said publicly that he
>considers Jimmy Jackson to be the most versatile player in 
>last year's draft, even more versatile than their pick,
>(No. 6 overall), swingman Walt Williams.

No question Jackson is a great player, but if Sacramento makes this deal,
it has got to be a prelude to another deal.

Look at their club, Richmond and 2G with 2 super rookies behind him in
Williams and Jackson. Sure they could experiment with both guys playing
a little point and some small forward, but they would basically have a 
ballclub with 3 shooting guards, not point guard and no small forward.

They just signed Mitch to a new deal so I doubt he would be going anywhere,
but I can't believe they would make this deal and then stand pat.




Russ Smith
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Laker and Pacific Division woofing
Keywords: Lakers, Pacific Division
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:16:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.040528.28375@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:

>second interesting note:  my friend told me taht when Orlando came to seattle,
>Shaq's first dunk was rejected by Kemp.  anyone anyone?

     Yes, one newspaper article I read said something very similar.  Then
it had some quote along the lines of "we had to show Shaq something right
away."
      Except maybe it was Michael Cage who blocked the shot?  I had the
impression that the article said Cage.  Granted, it's something that Kemp
is much more likely to do than Cage.

>I get up each morning, gather my wits.
>Pick up the paper, read the obits.
>If I'm not there I know I'm not dead.
>So I eat a good breakfast and go back to bed.
>
>Oh, how do I know my youth is all spent?
>My get-up-and-go has got-up-and-went.
>But in spite of it all, I'm able to grin,
>And think of the places my get-up has been.
>		-- Pete Seeger
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^

     Didn't Woodie Guthrie write some of this song?
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From: curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jordan and Drexler
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:50:48 GMT
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In article <1992Dec11.095247.26654@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kayman@csd-d-5.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.231938.13621@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>>In article <bretwood.11@oregon.uoregon.edu> bretwood@oregon.uoregon.edu (Bret Wood) writes:
>>>I thought it was really unique that the refs would let Jordan enter the
>>>key for a full TWO STEPS before the ball actually hit the rim.  
>>>
>>>It's surprising the Bulls aren't undefeated when they get calls like that!
>>
>>I thought you were allowed into the lane as soon as the ball leaves the
>>shooter's hand.  Otherwise there's a lane violation on every free throw
>>in the NBA.
>
>
>This is very true.  You are allowed into the lane as soon as the shooter
>releases the ball.

  Yes, but the shooter can not enter the lane until the ball hits the rim,
  and I thought that this applied to anyone not lined up on the key as well?
  At any rate, I'm positive that at the very least the players not lined
  up on the line, must be behind the top of the key until the ball leaves
  the shooters hand, and Jordan was almost at the free throw line when 
  Pippen finally released the ball.

  And on a very side note.  Jordan pulled this off against Mario Ellie, who
  realized a bit to late that he was responsible for Jordan on that play.
  Jordan tried that same play in the Finals last year, but Drexler never
  let him.  All in all I think this game will do more good for Portland than
  harm.  It's only 1 lose and alot of thier bench players got some very
  valuable minutes, and were taught quite a view lessons they won't soon
  forget.  Including blocking out Jordan on free throws when he's not 
  lined up in the lane. :-)

  Curt
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Subject: Re: Jimmy Jackson update
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:32:55 -0600
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Keywords: Jimmy Jackson

Russ Smith writes:

>If they won't give him the 2 extra years he wants, I think he has a perfect
>right to expect them to up the average salary to keep it in line with other
>guys.
>
>Sure he could play 4 years and then sign a contract elsewhere and maybe
>get more in those 2 years than he might get now, he could also blow out
>his knee during the first 4 years and get nothing. He's not asking for Shaq's
>deal, he just wants them to make a comparable offer., 

     The point is, though, that there is no reason for Dallas to assume
     the risk of said blow-out after giving JJ a heavy contract.  With
     Laettner, the T-wolves have taken this risk.

     Giving Jackson the same avergae salary over four years means that
     JJ could make more than, say, Laettner for four years and then go
     out and get a big raise for the next two.  In the end, such a fair
     deal would leave JJ making more than Laettner over six years.  And
     all in all, there are more "questions" about JJ's big star potential
     than about Laettner's (at least in Dallas' mind).

     Carter may be being stupid, but I think that JJ could viewed as
     expecting too much, too.  No compromise --> everyone suffers,
     especially the Mavs' fans, unfortunately...
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From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (I Spike - Therefore I Am)
Subject: Re: How's Tony Bennett doing?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:47:39 GMT

paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>I noticed in the box score that Tony Bennett seemed to have a pretty decent
>game against the Bulls last night. I always thought he'd be a pretty good
>NBA player. Is he doing okay? Will he stick with the team for awhile?

>--salty

everything i saw him do in that game didn't look too good to me.  i guess
ya just got to be a fan of him.
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: One Dimensional Pro's
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:31:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.122700.4700@verifone.com> grant_c1@verifone.com (Grant China) writes:
>As far as one-dimensional assist men, how about Mugsy Bogues?  He has been 
>in the top 5 or 6 assist leaders for much of his career.  I'm not really 
>sure what kind of scoring threat he is but I would be shocked to find out 
>that averages double figures.  As far as defense goes, his has good hands 
>and can get a lot of steals but as one magazine describes him, he is an 
>open jump shot waiting to happen.
>

Yeah, and I am sure that is just what the Hornets need is another scorer!  
To go along with LJ, Gill, Newman, and now Mourning, I think that Mugsy is more 
of a role player than a "1D player".  If they wanted a scorer for a point guard,
then maybe they would have gone after someone else.  I wasn't aware that a point
guard's job was to score.  You want to talk 1d, let's talk Manute Bol.  What
the hell is this guy still doing in the NBA.  Chuck Nevitt was tall, and I don't
see him still sitting around and getting anywhere near the type of mintues that
Bol gets in Philly!!!

Sean


-- 
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Dept. of Computer Science ||   ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball...  
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Charles Barkeley in Phoenix
Date: 21 Dec 1992 07:06:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Barkley's *THE MAN* on that team now.  Just ask him. ;)  KJ, IF he comes back,
will be in the role of a Scottie Pippen (Very good but always in the shadow
of Barkley).  BTW, what's wrong with KJ anyway??

Mike
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From: rjs@citi.umich.edu (Robert J. Skrobola)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who are the worst players in the nba (answers)?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:07:32 GMT
Organization: Center for Information Technology Intergration, University of Michigan
Distribution: world
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In article <Bysx3K.C34@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

|> >>>THOMAS,CA           -3.500
|> 
|> 	The rest are:
|> 
|> 	Patrick Eddie (Mississippi), Joao Vianna (Brazil), Carlton
|> 	McKinney (SMU), and Charles Thomas (Eastern Michigan)
|> 
|> 	Jazzy J

Are you sure this is Charles Thomas of the Pistons, and not his twin 
brother Carl Thomas who, I think, played some (30 or so) minutes with Sacramento
last year?
			Rob

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Latrelle Sprewell
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:02:12 GMT
Keywords: Correction

terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>I remember Sprewell quite well from the NCAA tournament game in
>which Alabama eliminated Stanford last year.  Robert Horry, Houston's
>No. 1 pick was also on that team.  By the way, Utah's David Benoit
>also played with both Sprewell and Horry a couple of seasons ago.
>Kind of makes you wonder why Wimp Sanderson could never get them farther
>in the big tournament.

	Well, it's no surprise that Alabama has had talent on their teams -
	in fact, U might consider them "NBA Forward U".  Check out these
	names that have made it to the NBA over the years:

	Reggie King, Buck Johnson, Derrick McKey, Michael Ansley, Keith
	Askins, David Benoit, Jim Farmer, Keith Askins, Marcus Webb, Robert
	Horry, Latrell Sprewell...

	All played forward at Alabama.  What I want to know is the last
	Alabama guard to play in the NBA.  I know Gary Waites and Terry
	Coner have come close, but did they ever play a regular season game?

	Jazzy J

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From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: Re:  Latrelle Sprewell
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: WOW!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 09:53:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.084248.17437@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>
>The story behind Sprewell is pretty amazing.  He didn't start playing
>basketball until his senior year in high school, because he was
>moving around a lot before then.  He played a couple of years at
>Three Rivers Community College in Poplar Bluff, Missouri.  In high school
>and junior college, he played forward and center with his back to the
>basket.
>He then transferred to Arkansas where he played 2 years.  

I believe that Sprewell played at Alabama.  Last year in the NCAA
tournament Alabama defeated Stanford with Sprewell hitting key shots
to lead the comeback.  

An Arkansas team with Miller, Day, Mayberry, AND Sprewell would have
been the greatest team of underachievers in NCAA basketball history.
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: One Dimensional Pro's
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:06:31 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: turkey.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec9.122700.4700@verifone.com>, grant_c1@verifone.com (Grant China) writes:
>
> As far as one-dimensional assist men, how about Mugsy Bogues?  He has been 
> in the top 5 or 6 assist leaders for much of his career.


	I wouldn't call Bogues one-dimensional. He's always among the league
leaders in Steals (8th last year, 2.07/game) and assists. He averaged 8.9
points per game shooting 47% from the field last year.

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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 85-86 Celtics vs 91-92 Bulls.g
Keywords: Lakers, Pacific Division
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:42:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Dec15.055101.4874@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>I hear that the 85-86 Celtics had a truly awesome team. Who
>would win a seven game series between them and the 91-92
>two peat Bulls?
>I am missing several players on the 85-86 Celts roster.
>
>92 BULLS                        86 CELTICS
>Coach: Phil Jackson             Coach: K.C.Jones
>
>PG: John Paxson                 PG: Dennis Johnson
>SG: Michael Jordan              SG: Danny Ainge
>C : Bill Cartwright             C : Robert XXXXXXX  Parish
>SF: Scottie Pippen              SF: Larry Bird
>PF: Horace Grant                PF: Kevin McHale
>
>Bench:
>BJ Armstrong                    Bill Walton
>Scott Williams                  Scott Wedman
>Cliff Levingston                Jerry Sichting
>Will Perdue                     Greg Kite
>Craig Hodges                    Sam Vincent??
>Stacy King                      David Thirdkill??
>
>91-92 Stats
>                        G      FG      FG%       Reb     Ast.     TP     Avg
>Michael Jordan          80     943     .519      511     489      2404   30.1
>Scottie Pippen          82     687     .506      630     572      1720   21.0
>Horace Grant            81     457     .578      807     217      1149   14.2
>BJ Armstrong            82     335     .481      145     266       809    9.9
>Bill Cartwright         64     208     .467      324      87       512    8.0
>John Paxson             79     257     .528       96     241       555    7.0
>Stacey King             79     215     .506      205      77       551    7.0
>Will Perdue             77     152     .547      312      80       350    4.5
>Craig Hodges            56      93     .384       24      54       238    4.3
>Cliff Levingston        79     125     .498      227      66       311    3.9
>Scott Williams          63      83     .483      247      50       214    3.4
>
>85-86 Stats             G      FG      FG%       Reb      Ast.     TP     Avg
>
>Larry Bird              82     796     .496      805      557      2115   25.8
>Kevin McHale            68     561     .574      551      181      1448   21.3
>Robert [Parish]         81     530     .549      770      145      1305   16.1
 Dennis Johnson          78     482/1060          268      456      1213
 Danny Ainge             80     353/701 (26 3's)  235      405       805
 Bill Walton             80     231/411           544      165       606

there would be more, but not now....

>Larryt

- nate
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: David "The Agent From Hell" Falk
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:27:45 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Dec14.153713.13287@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>them now.  i'm not saying that it's MJ's fault, or any other player,
>but the average NBA salary is way up there.  the cost of going to a
>game is a significant chunk for me.  when free TV coverage is replaced
>by PPV or cable everywhere, then i may give up following these guys.

But what makes you think that any of that is the fault of the players and
their salaries? The salary cap is a percentage of revenues, before  that
there was no requirement by the owners to disclose how much they were making.
The salaries have skyrocketed recently but ticket prices have always gone
up regardless of players salaries. Ticket prices reflect one thing, what
the consumer will pay. The instant the demand for NBA tickets drops, ticket
prices will stop rising. Until the salary cap, the owners were making more
money and telling the players they were struggling, now the players salaries
are being used to blame the higher ticket prices? If I remember correctly,
there is not one team in the league that cannot pay its payroll just off
the tv contracts, so ticket money is just extra to pay employees and 
pocket what is left over.




Russ Smith
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From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Subject: Re: Knicks kill da Bulls !!!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:09:21 GMT


>I also agree that the Knicks will be the BULLS toughest opponents in the
>playoff's but when it come's right down to it the BULLS will beat the
>Knicks in six if they even meet in the playoff's. Think the knicks need
>one more year before they'll be the champs.

>Mikeg
		i feel that the knicks still don't have what it
	takes to be the champion (either eastern or world champion).
	they don't have a 'rigid' line-up, no consistency yet.
	if they want a title, they still need to work for maybe
	2 more years to produce that team chemistry to win it all.
	sure, they'll play 'rough' if the bulls and the knicks
	meet in the playoff again this yr. i guess they just can't
	beat the bulls w/o real physical play -- 'bad boys' after
	detroit? ............ 

	/tt300zx@u.washington.edu

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From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Breakaway Rims (was: Statistical inflation?)
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:11:45 GMT

From article <1992Dec13.091930.15124@cheshire.oxy.edu>, by tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada):
> In article <1992Dec13.074337.6082@msc.cornell.edu> hillyard@msc.cornell.edu writes:
> 
>>When did break away rims come into use?
> 
>      It was shortly after Darryl Dawkins broke two backboards --
> maybe 1982?  Well to narrow it down, it was when Bill Robinzine

Okay, then comes what I was getting at.  Did shooting percentages go up
when they were instituted?

SEH
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From: dewey@ccs.northeastern.edu (Dwight S Flewelling)
Subject: Re: Bad Boys win again guys!
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:15:59 GMT

in Article 21528 of rec.sport.basketball.pro:
Brian Austin Fraze <bf25+@andrew.cmu.edu> BOLDLY says

>For all you Piston bashers, they took care of the big, bad, Shq attack
>last night, and Cleveland will be next. SHUT UP!!!!!!  

Big Deal, the Celtics beat them in Orlando last week too !  I think you
seem to forget that Orlando is still very much a young team, Shaq doesn't
make them an immediate contender.

But then again I suppose if you're a Pistons fan, this probably will be the
highlight of your season.

Dewey (a Die-hard C's fan and Proud of it !)

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From: holt@pi.enet.dec.com (Bill Holt)
Subject: Re: NBA tickets
Reply-To: holt@pi.enet.dec.com (Bill Holt)
Organization: Evans and Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:54:43 GMT

In article <4819@svin09.info.win.tue.nl>, klerk@wsbs03.bs.win.tue.nl (Andre Klerk)
writes:
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|>From: klerk@wsbs03.bs.win.tue.nl (Andre Klerk)
|>Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
|>Subject: NBA tickets
|>Message-ID: <4819@svin09.info.win.tue.nl>
|>Date: 15 Dec 92 07:52:25 GMT
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|>
|>Hi there, my name is Andre Klerk and I live in the Netherlands. I am a great fan
|>of the NBA. Every week I watch NBA Action on Sportsnet and I must say : NBA I 
|>love it. Unfortunately, there is no highlevel hoop here in Holland (the local
|>competition is very weak; the Dutch national team has to compete at C-level).
|>So in the first week of March I'm planning on flying to New York for a short holiday and
|>during those days I want to visit some games.
|>The big problem however is that there is no way to order any tickets for NBA-
|>games here in Holland; neither via travel-agencies nor via the Dutch Basketball
|>Association.
|>So, I was wondering if you can tell me what to do and where and how to get 
|>some tickets. Please help an, almost desperate, baskeball fan.
|>You can contact me by (replying to this message on nn (or trn) or by) sending 
|>me some mail.
|>My e-mail address is : klerk@bs.win.tue.nl
|>Many thanks in advance and sincere greetings from Holland.
|>
|>Andre.
|>

As far as schedule goes, the first week of March has two NBA games in the Big Apple.
Tuesday, March 2 at 7:30pm (Eastern Time) the Knicks take on the Atlanta Hawks in 
Madison Square Garden.  Thursday, March 4, at 7:30, the Knicks play the Utah Jazz in
MSG.  Being a BIG Jazz fan, you really ought to try to make that game, since both teams
are very good this year.  As far as tickets go, someone who lives there in the NYC area
and who reads this newsgroup could arrange to get you some tickets or give you a 
number you could call to order tickets via phone (maybe the MSG ticket office for 
starters).
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