HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anorris@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Andrew Norris)
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.113802.5080@actrix.gen.nz> Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <17QHJGj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
[Stuff deleted from both previous posters]
>
>IHMO, the capital will move sooner or later.  There will be a BIG
>earthquake in Wellington, the plans for emergency relocation of
>government in Auckland will be put into effect, and lo and behold ...
>
Move the government to Somes Island, move the animals to Wellington
and everyone will be happy. 

		Andrew N.
From: sterenborg@amc.uva.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: News for the week ended April 4
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:32:16 GMT
Organization: Central computer department

In article <1992Apr13.112515.4649@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
> In article <28784@brahms.udel.edu>, oughton@brahms.udel.edu (Sean Oughton) writes:
>> Do you type all this stuff in Alan, or is there a feed you can take it
>> from?  Either way, it's much appreciated.
> 
> Actually I type it all in - which explains some of the spelling mistakes, but
> not the grammer. I always make sure I type exactly what the newspaper prints.
> 
> Which brings me to yet another apology. Sorry, folks, but we're going to be
> late again this week.
> 
> Alan

I'd also like to add my thanks for such a good job Alan. It's great to get
a regular update of NZ news - especially when no newspapers are available.
Ta.
John W Pickering ex phys.cant
email STERENBORGHH@UVA.AMC.NL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Facts about New Zealand
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:44:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.091202.4557@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
> 
> Mary went on to speculate, "There will be a BIG earthquake in
> Wellington, the plans for emergency relocation of government in Auckland
> will be put into effect, and lo and behold ... It might not stay there -
> as a sop to the South Islanders, it might wriggle its way back down to,
> say, Hamilton."
> 
> Why?  What difference does 70-odd miles make?

A major psychological difference.  The whole climate changes when you
go over the Bombay Hills.


> our territory, why should we care where they end up?  Anywhere will do,
> so long as they leave us alone to earn the income that keeps the idle
> masses of Otara, Mangere, Ruatoria, Hokianga, etc. etc. in the style to
> which they have become accustomed.

I've seen the style to which the 'idle masses' of the latter two
places have 'become accustomed'.  I suspect that if they had real
alternatives, they would in almost all cases take them.

-- 
\   \/   /  |  
 \/\/\/\/   |  mary.curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: imf@datamark.co.nz (Ian Franklin)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:37:48 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <XPqyiB1w165w@tornado.welly.gen.nz> turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson) writes:
>amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
>
>*REAL* drinkers drink a DRAUGHT, lagers are *DISGUSTING*... Why is it
>only our lagers are exported? Why not export Waikato? (The best beer
>under the sun)
>
>Cheers, Paul.
>             ... Now, where did I put that bottle of Waikato?
>

Well said. Waikato is truly a great beer along with Tuis East India
Pale Ale. Also this new DB Bitter seems to be quite acceptable.

These would be much better to export than the lagers.

(Hic)  (Hic)
-- 
********************************************************************************
Ian Franklin       |         imf@datamark.co.nz | +64-4-233-8186 (work)
Datamark Intl Ltd  |------------------------------------------------------------
New Zealand        | I drink to make other people intresting-George Jean Nathan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: bridge
From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:41:21 +1200
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: My Arc.

A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove) writes:

> Has there ever been any political discussion about building a bridge
> between the North and the South islands?  If so what were the main
> arguments against the project?

   Sounds a bit daft to me. (No offense meant) We have one of the worlds
deepest and nastiest straight's there and on top of that we get reasonably
frequent earthquakes round here.... No I just wouldn't feel safe on the
thing....

   Besides which can they actually build a bridge *that* big?

    Philip

--
Philip R. Banks                                                         @@@@@/|
Syntax: mail <banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz|banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> @@@@/#|
                                                                        @@@/##|
What price the crown of a king on his throne,                           @@/---|
When you're chained in the dark all alone?  ---A.P.P.                   @/    |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: K.Spagnolo@massey.ac.nz (Ken Spagnolo)
Subject: Re: Strongcroft
Organization: Massey University Computing Services
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.221235.27763@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> jdavis@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Joseph G Davis) writes:
>rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>
>>Glad to hear that their product is appreciated.  I'll forward the comments
>>to them.
>
>Would love to try out STRONGCROFT but I suspect it is not widely
>available in Auckland.

I'd say Strongcroft makes some of the better brews in NZ, but distribution
is not a strong point.  I can't even find it in Palmerston North (I think
its brewed in Petone).  Of course Kiwi's aren't any more adventurous than
the next lot and would rather have the NZ `King of Beers', DB Draught
(much better than a Bud, but then anyone can say that).

Cheers,
-- 
Ken Spagnolo - Ph: +64-6-350-5160
Systems Programmer, Usenet Admin, Networks, etc.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning)
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:23:53 GMT

In article <18Vu9rj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>prevmary@otago.ac.nz writes:
>   Never! Dunedin is way too cold for a Capital. Imagine all those poor
>Civil Servants having to struggle through below zero temperatures in the
>winter - they would freeze to death before they got to work! :-) 

Is that really such a bad thing???


Andrew M.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: mcwg9235@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marsha Cook Woodbury)
Subject: Re: bridge
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:40:47 GMT

Arnold,
I am so disappointed!  I thought your post was going to be about
the game of bridge.  Is it Bridge?  Anyway, if they built a bridge
across Cook Strait, where would I go to throw up for three
hours while everyone else is playing cards and getting drunk in
the lounge bar?
-- 
Marsha Woodbury   marsha-w@uiuc.edu
"A metaphor is like a simile."
writing from Urbana, IL, courtesy of the University of Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:41:39 +1200
Organization: Tornado BBS, Wellington, New Zealand.

kilroy@freddy.acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

>  turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson) writes:
>  
>  > amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
>  > 
>  > *REAL* drinkers drink a DRAUGHT, lagers are *DISGUSTING*...
>  
>  Lager's are disgusting? Have you tried Mac's Gold? Very nice beer.

Yes. I've been drinking Mac's beers since I was about 10, (My grandfather 
buys the stuff). Back in the good old days when you could only get Mac's 
in Nelson/Blenhiem area. Even after that experience I *DON'T* like most 
lagers, You wanna see my reaction to stienies :-)

Cheers, Paul.

LORD FINGOLFIN         | "Maentwrog"
TURGON@TORNADO.GEN.NZ  | Celtic word for a computer spelling mistake.
         Paul Thompson | DOUGLAS ADAMS & JOHN LLOYD The Meaning Of Liff 

  Disclaimer, I disclaim everything. I know nuffink! (Hogans Heros)
From: slang@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:18:44 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

> In article <1992Apr6.225113.663@gacvx2.gac.edu> mchinander@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
>>does anyone know where somebody can get some N.Z. beer besides Steinlagers?
> 
> Unfortunately beer in NZ is brewed the unpatient way :
> stir all ingredients up, boil a bit, ferment a bit, chill a bit, pipe this
> lemonade into cans and bottles and inject carbon dioxide before the lid
> goes on.
> Low alcohol, high headache.

Couldn't agree more. There are, however, some very good breweries. Two that
come to mind, from a not so recent brewery crawl around Auckland, are 

Brofords (Waitakari Brewing company???)
Stokan.

The Stokan brews were great. Real nice, but they (IMHO) lacked balls!

Brofords Hooker Ale. Now thats a damn nice beer. Quite sweet, Thick and Malty
tasting. Stronger and a hell of a lot nicer (IMHO) than the fabled Elephant
beer, but then that's nice enough too. Brofords (or is it Waitakari B....) are
open on Saturday morning, just great for a trip up from Hamilton.

I spose Auckland does have some advantages after all. I mean, they make Waikato
there now too!

-- 
	   If it's safe -		Steve Lang
	  Test it in Paris		Systems Programmer Analyst
	  Dump it in Tokyo		University of Waikato
	And keep our Pacific		Hamilton
	    Nuclear Free		NEW ZEALAND
					<slang@waikato.ac.nz>
					Ph	+64-7-856 2889 Ext 8341
					Fax	+64-7-838 4066

I am not responsible for my employers opinion (thank heavens,) and neither are
they for mine.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 16:19:53 +1200
Organization: Tornado BBS, Wellington, New Zealand.

rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:

>  
>  Anyone drink anything from the Strongcroft micro-brewery in Petone?
>  Care to comment on it?
>  
>  RNA
>  
>  

Very good brew, didn't think it got far out of wgtn though. Had it at a 
friends 21st, Come to think about it, it can't be that bad... I don't 
remember the end of the evening.... (I would drink this if waikato wasn't 
available...)

Cheers, Paul.

LORD FINGOLFIN         | "Maentwrog"
TURGON@TORNADO.GEN.NZ  | Celtic word for a computer spelling mistake.
         Paul Thompson | DOUGLAS ADAMS & JOHN LLOYD The Meaning Of Liff 

  Disclaimer, I disclaim everything. I know nuffink! (Hogans Heros)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:18:57 GMT

In article <29E2449E.19635@ics.uci.edu> fielding@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding) writes:
>A much better brew is exported by Dominion Breweries and is called Kiwi Lager.

Oh my God! You can't be serious! Or else, you can't be a New Zealander! We
don't drink the stuff, that's probably why they have to export it all :-)

Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
From: derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:00:21 GMT
Reply-To: derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
 <16D2OWj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> <1992Apr4.011213.29376@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <17QHJGj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz>
Organization: Task Management Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand

In article <17QHJGj013n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Mind you the government hasn't always been here. I
>beleive it was orignally sited down south Chrsitchurch or Dundedin at a
>guess and was then moved up north to Auckland for a brief term. 

Not sure about the government but, assuming the capital was where the 
government then you are aither incorrect or making a South Island joke :)
The Capital was originally in a place called Russell in the bay of Islands.
Not to be confused with the place _now_ called Russell - regardless of what
they may say on the cream trip. Russell was in fact a few Km away from the 
current site. It was burned down and reverted to it's Maori name. The capital
then moved to Auckland and from their to Wellington.

>Finally it
>was agreed that the government should be sited as centrally in the country
>as possible as there had been complaints about having to traverse the entire
>country to get to the parliment.

That I believe is the correct reasoning behind the moves.

>   The only reason I mention it is because I saw a while back that Auckland
>was wanting to site the parliment up there again. Something about being the
>largest city in NZ or some other irrelevant reason. :-) 

Yes it is an irrelavent reason. The incidence of a countries capitol and
the largest/most industrial city coinciding are, in world terms, quite
rare ( Name the capitals and largest industrial centres of the following:
       Australia, U.S.A, Brazil, Mexico... )

Auckland has the better climate, wider streets, more industry, bridge,
Wellington has more culture, bands, hills, tunnel.

Derek "I'll stick to the warm end for now" Tearne
-- 
Derek Tearne      derek@fivegl.co.nz | If yo
  rek      l   .nz                   | yo
New Zea
and while he wasn't looking the .sig eaters were busy at work
Xref: sparky soc.culture.new-zealand:1005 rec.travel.air:319
From: woodhams@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael Woodhams)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:11:47 GMT
Organization: Princeton University Observatory
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr9.222048.1742@gaya.gp.co.nz> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.062528.24975@actrix.gen.nz>, Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>> 
>>                                        .......among other things, I think it
>> would extend the runway by about 100-150 years seaward ....
>
>Gee, that sounds like a really long term project :-) But then, Air New 
>Zealand has been using the same old hangar as their domestic terminal for 
>about 50 years, so another 100 years probably won't make much difference 
>;-)

You must remember that Wellington Airport (like Napier Airport) is
built on land that has recently risen from the sea in earthquakes.
They are going to wait for 100-150 years, and build more runway on the
land as it comes up.

I wonder how an airplane would handle landing or taking off during an
earthquake.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Strongcroft
From: jdavis@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Joseph G Davis)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:12:35 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:


>Thanks for the comments about Strongcroft.  The reason I asked is simple---
>the owners of Strongcroft Brewery are my aunt (Dee AshCROFT) and her husband
>(Tim ArmSTRONG).  They started the brewery a few years ago and have had a
>fairly rough time of it, what with the recession.  They seem to be doing
>better recently, and I'm sure that this will continue if the economy
>comes right.

>Glad to hear that their product is appreciated.  I'll forward the comments
>to them.

>RNA


Would love to try out STRONGCROFT but I suspect it is not widely
available in Auckland.

Talking of New Zealand beers, the other day I chanced on a strong ale by
the name OLD THUMPER at the University Club ( not the University Common
Room where the farthest you can go seems to be Black Mac). Can any netter  
educate me on this beer,

-Joseph Davis
 Univ. of Auckland
From: dfowler@kiwi.dsd.es.com (Dave Fowler)
Subject: Re: bridge
Reply-To: dfowler@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans and Sutherland Corp.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 15:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.024408.21381@massey.ac.nz>, A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove) writes:
> Has there ever been any political discussion about building a bridge
> between the North and the South islands?  If so what were the main
> arguments against the project?
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Arnold Chamove
> Massey University Psychology
> Palmerston North, New Zealand
> 

	Actually a tunnel would probably be more feasible then a bridge but even that would cost a few odd billion or so dollars. Don't hold your breath!

-- 
 +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 | from: Dave Fowler                            ____  /\        _____     |
 |       Evans and Sutherland Computer Corp.   /      \/       /    /     |
 |       Design System Division               /__     /\      /____       |
 |       (801)582-5847 x4639                 /       /  \/        /       |
 |       dfowler@dsd.es.com                 /____    \__/\  /____/        |
 +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: turgon@tornado.welly.gen.nz (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:18:44 +1200
Organization: Tornado BBS, Wellington, New Zealand.

amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:

>  In article <29E2449E.19635@ics.uci.edu> fielding@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. F
>  >A much better brew is exported by Dominion Breweries and is called Kiwi Lage
>  
>  Oh my God! You can't be serious! Or else, you can't be a New Zealander! We
>  don't drink the stuff, that's probably why they have to export it all :-)


*REAL* drinkers drink a DRAUGHT, lagers are *DISGUSTING*... Why is it 
only our lagers are exported? Why not export Waikato? (The best beer 
under the sun)

Cheers, Paul.
             ... Now, where did I put that bottle of Waikato?

LORD FINGOLFIN         | "Maentwrog"
TURGON@TORNADO.GEN.NZ  | Celtic word for a computer spelling mistake.
         Paul Thompson | DOUGLAS ADAMS & JOHN LLOYD The Meaning Of Liff 

  Disclaimer, I disclaim everything. I know nuffink! (Hogans Heros)
From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts About New Zealand
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:56:40 +1200
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: My Arc.

prevmary@otago.ac.nz writes:

> But of course Dunedin has the same advantages plus some additional ones-
> No Wellingtonians.

   Well yeah I suppose so...

> Less wind than Wellington.

   This isn't an advantage - where else can you fly home for free on the
right day? :-) Not to mention air pollution just can't hack it round here.
(Nor can many trees, shrubs, people... but thats beside the point. :-) )

> Pity about the weather though!!

   Whose? Yours or ours?

> So Dunedin comes out tops!!!!!!!!!

   Never! Dunedin is way too cold for a Capital. Imagine all those poor
Civil Servants having to struggle through below zero temperatures in the
winter - they would freeze to death before they got to work! :-) Nope
Wellington is definitely the best choice.

    Philip

--
Philip R. Banks                                                         @@@@@/|
Syntax: mail <banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz|banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> @@@@/#|
                                                                        @@@/##|
What price the crown of a king on his throne,                           @@/---|
When you're chained in the dark all alone?  ---A.P.P.                   @/    |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
From: derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:13:26 GMT
Reply-To: derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Organization: Task Management Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr8.011857.21277@ncar.ucar.edu> amanning@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Andrew Manning) writes:
>In article <29E2449E.19635@ics.uci.edu> fielding@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding) writes:
>>A much better brew is exported by Dominion Breweries and is called Kiwi Lager.
>
>Oh my God! You can't be serious! Or else, you can't be a New Zealander! We
>don't drink the stuff, that's probably why they have to export it all :-)
>
At which point I should point out that Kiwi lager won the best lager award
in this years brewers expo in the U.K. Perhaps you don't like the taste 
but then theres no accounting for that :-). Actually all the 'Lager' in 
New Zealand tastes pretty much the same to me. Actaully Lager the whole 
world over tastes pretty much the same! Steinlager is my favourite.

ObUL: All the 'beer' produced in New Zealand ( no matter what it says 
on the bottle ) is 'lager'. This is because all the yeast in New Zealand is
lager yeast.

Derek Tearne


-- 
Derek Tearne      derek@fivegl.co.nz | If yo
  rek      l   .nz                   | yo
New Zea
and while he wasn't looking the .sig eaters were busy at work
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Facts about New Zealand
From: anthrichard@otago.ac.nz
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:28:16 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

>  In article <1992Apr7.104426.22616@actrix.gen.nz>,
Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes: > In article
<1992Apr7.091202.4557@csc.canterbury.ac.nz > phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
writes:  

>> so long as they leave us alone to earn the income that keeps the idle
>>masses of Otara, Mangere, Ruatoria, Hokianga, etc. etc. in the style to 
>> which they have become accustomed.

> 
> I've seen the style to which the 'idle masses' of the latter two places
>have 'become accustomed'.  I suspect that if they had real
> alternatives, they would in almost all cases take them. 

>  I agree, when I read the reference to 'idle masses' I felt physically
sickened.  These are places where people are suffering real poverty.  Many
members of my family live in Otara and like many Pacific Islanders in New
Zealand today they are having a great deal of difficulty with employment and
providing their children with basic necessities.  I lived in South Auckland in
a State house with my family while doing my PhD and if you think Otara or
Mangere are inhabited by idle masses living off OUR INCOMES you are not only
stupid  but you are dangerously stupid.  This is exactly the sort of bigotry we
need least of at this time.  And yes, I mean bigotry, I note that all the places
you mention are predominantly Maori or Polynesian communities, the implication
being I suppose that our Pakeha poor are in some way better or more derserving
of symathy.

Richard Walter     	INTERNET: anthrichard@otago.ac.nz
Anthropology Dept
University of Otago
From: fielding@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Roy T. Fielding)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Beer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:55:58 GMT

In <1992Apr6.225113.663@gacvx2.gac.edu> mchinander@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:

>does anyone know where somebody can get some N.Z. beer besides Steinlagers?

A much better brew is exported by Dominion Breweries and is called Kiwi Lager.
It is a little more difficult to find, but definitely worth the search.
It comes in 12 oz. (approx.) green bottles with gold-foil tops.

Does anyone reading this know which DB (if any) this corresponds to in N.Z.?

......Roy Fielding  ICS Grad Student,  University of California, Irvine