From: craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Why OS/2 **WILL** fail
Date: 30 Sep 1992 04:47:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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First let me state that I am not going to get drawn into a flame war here.

slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos) writes:

>In article <1a96jhINNm7d@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:
>>OK, using your command line, sort all of the files by type and delete all
>>those which are word Processor Documents.  (Not all of them have .doc on
>>the end remember)

>This is not necessary because of a feature I like to call DIRECTORIES!
>If you are going to assume some suit who doesn't understand why it is
>a bad thing to dump all of your files in the root then fine.
>Otherwise, I can delete all word processor documents (gee, that's an
>intelligent thing to want to do) by simply deleting the directory that
>they are in 'del e:\wp51\wp-docs\*' And my files are ALWAYS sorted by
>type. I call it organization.

I am happy you can organise your hard disk.  You obviously don't ever share
your computer with other people and consequently have to store files in
folders that are not under the application.  Or maybe you should all have
your own folder under the wp-docs directory.  I don't know which is best,
but it does get painful.  Also isn't terribly extensible to server volumes
when applications are not on your computer.

>>
>>Work out which program created a file.
>>

>See above. Is it really that hard for you to create a directory tree
>and then stick to it?

Nobodies ever given you a disk with a file on it that you can't work out
the program to open it with?

>>Sort a large number of files into sub directories.

>I don't understand the question. I keep my files in subdirectories
>exactally where I want them kept. When I go to find them, mysteriously
>enough, they are exactally where I left them.

When faced with a directory filled with lots of files or varying sorts,
sorting the files so that all documents are in one folder, all spreadsheet
files are in another.  All word perfect graphics files are in another (easy
enough if they all have .xxx extensions which is another stupid idea.  I
once had someone argue that it was a good thing having 8.3 filenames
because it forced you to abbreviate the names of your files.)  You have
stated that you use directories so this shouldn't bother you anyway.

>>Have more than 26 volumes available.  (with DOS 3.3 you can't use the
>>entire 1 Gig Hard disk with 33 Meg partitions)

>Oh golly! Well, the Apple IIe can't use a 1 Gig hard disk at all!
>What's your point? I don't even have a copy of DOS 3.3, I have a copy
>of DOS 2.11 in the closet...

I never said I liked the Apple IIe.  I never owned an Apple II and I never
wanted to.

>>Selectively delete many files out of a long list.  I bet I can click faster
>>than you can type the name.

>Probably. Can you click and drag across the screen faster? I think
>that with alot of people it would be a close race. Define GUI though.
>Can you click around faster than I can arrow key and spacebar? I don't
>think you can.

I consider the macintosh Finder to be a GUI.  Things like Xtree fall half
way between.  They are still text based but provide some of the
functionality of a GUI.  Many DOS users always use Norton Commander of
Xtree for doing even the simplest tasks.  Using the mac, I can click on an
individual file, drag a box over a number of files and then unselect a
couple that I didn't want to delete, then just click and drag the lot into
the trashcan.  They will sit in the trashcan until I ask it to empty the
trash can at which point they are erased.  They can be dragged out of the
trashcan before it is emptied if I want them back.

>I have used a Mac and I hate them. Big deal. If you love them use
>them, don't tell me what I should be using. I personally hate being
>tied to working in graphics mode. The Mac does this and the graphics
>are SLOW! OK, so I haven't used a sate-of-the-art Mac, but you did
>bring up DOS 3.3...

I'm sorry you hate macs and I just hope that it isn't just idealogical hate
because you prefer PCs.  I would much rather use a macintosh than a PC.

>BTW: How many volumes to you have on your Mac? 27 just to prove you
>can?

I once saw a Mac with about 40 floppies appearing on the Desktop at the
same time.  This was due to old software but none the less proves that you
can have lots of disks appearing on the desktop.  You can also create
aliases that when clicked on will connect you to the server that the file
is on.  Even better than a batch file!

I see you hate the Macintosh and I feel sorry for you.  Go and enjoy your
PC.  It will be a long time before windows is as nice as MacOS and I have
great doubts that Microsfot can ever achieve the integration that Apple has
achieved by producing both the hardware and the software.  Only one
production model macintosh currently lacks a built in speaker.  Apple is
moving from Localtalk to faster networking so Voicemail rather than
telephoning and leaving messages is just a step away.  We could all rush
out and buy soundcards for our PCs but isn't that just a tad of overkill?
How many PC programs (non windows) support strange size monitors?  Oh, you
have video drivers for 1/2 a dozen applications that you use.  How nice for
you.  While the PC does have some things in its favour, I would sooner beat
myself senseless against a brick wall than buy one for my home.

Sorry to all the OS/2 people who read this group and have no concern
whatsoever about our differing opinions as to the merits of PCs and
Macintoshes.  Personally I think the OS/2 People are on my sode because
OS/2 and MacOS are both moving to a common hardware platform :-)

Cheers,
Craig
Craig
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  University of Western Australia    Dept of Education (afternoon)
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