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From: edansker@oracle.uucp (Edward Dansker)
Subject: John Scofield
Followup-To: edansker@us.oracle.com
Keywords: Sco
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:39:28 GMT
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I recently caught the John Scofield Quartet at Sweet Basil's in NYC.  This guy
cooks!  I'm looking for recommendations on Scofield albums - anybody care to 
mention their favorites?

Ed
From: ghfick@acs.ucalgary.ca (Gordon H. Fick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Penguin Guide
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:23:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Dec16.190224.5987@HQ.Ileaf.COM> anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton) writes:
>Gordon H. Fick writes:
>
>> Peter Brotzmann (Machine Gun) FMP0090
>> Ganelin Trio (Catalogue) Leo LR102
>> Lars Gullin (Volume 5) Dragon 181
>> Alexander Von Schlippenbach (Pakistani Pomade) FMP0110
>> Vienna Art Orchestra (Minimalism of Satie) hatArt 6024
>> John Zorn (The Big Gundown) Elecktra 979139
>> 
>> I would be interested in any independent reviews of these last
>> six discs. Are they REALLY desert island material?
>
>that's an odd question.  are you looking for facts here?  whether
>these are "REALLY desert island" discs depends completely upon who you
>are, no?
>-- 
>
>/steve
Cook and Morton's book contains 38 five star/desert island discs and one
qualified five star ****(*) disc. In their introduction, they say
"If we were able to recommend only a handful of discs, either to
the committed follower or to someone wanting to hear only the
very best of the music, it would be these five star records".

I have not heard any of the music from the 6 listed five star
discs and I am tempted to order them. A majority of their 5 star
discs are clearly excellent albums. btw, I must mention that
their 5 star list includes 'Unity' by Larry Young (with Woody Shaw,
Joe Henderson, Elvin Jones) - not to be missed. It may be hard
to find as I understand that it has been deleted. It is available
on the Complete Blue Note Larry Young on Mosaic though.
See the latest issue of Coda magazine for a detailed review of
this excellent reissue.

-- 
Gordon H. Fick - Department of Community Health Sciences
University of Calgary - Calgary, Alberta CANADA T2N 4N1 - (403) 220-6939
From: gjr9@quads.uchicago.edu (grant jewell rich)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Jazz Pianists, MyFunny Valentine, and internal states
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:46:07 GMT
Reply-To: gjr9@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hi, I am a graduate student conducting a study of jazz performers and improvisation. I am particularly interested in the internal states (moods) of pianinists and vocalists during performance. My gruop of subjects will be improvising on My Funny Valentine. Anyway, I am looking for written descriptions of great jazz performers describing their feelings in performance. A book called 'the greatest jazz players of all time (art tatum, bud powell, oscar peterson, erroll garner, hoarce silver, billie holiday, el






la firzgerald, et al) describe their feeling while playing (in their own words)' would be ideal(!).
  Also, i am looking for a variety of brilliant performances 9especially piano or voice) of My Funny Valentine. Any suggestions (i.e., what are you favorites?) Does anyone know ALL the verses to my funny valentine? Megathanks in advance, Grant.
From: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Solo Cecil (was Re: akisakila, by c.t.)
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:21:13 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1992Dec14.185439.3406@bnr.ca>, jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain writes:
> In article <tjg8kmc@zola.esd.sgi.com>, sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz) writes:
> |> 
> |> In article <Bz8K1F.BJG.1@cs.cmu.edu>, tygar+@cs.cmu.edu writes:
> |> > In article <1992Dec13.1561.8105@channel1> "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com> writes:
> |> > >the Konnex CD reissue of _Akisakila_ contains a half-hour of "Lono,"
> |> > That's true, but note that the release is on two of CDs!  (Akisakila
> |> > is 82 minutes long and thus requires two CDs.)
> |> 
> |> =-=-=-=-
> |> Actually, it is possible to put 84 minutes on a CD, right?
> |> Not that I'm complaining about these disks.  
> |> 
> |> It's a good month for Cecil fans- Enja just released "Air Above Mountains" on CD.  
> |> The CD version contains the whole concert- ~76 minutes.
> |> =-s
> |> 
> 
> Is "Air Above Mountains" a solo concert?
> 
> BTW, what is the net consensus on "best" solo, recorded
> performance by C.T.?
> 
> I know I like LOOKING (SOLO) on FMP a lot...
=-=-=-=-=-=-
I find the style and the recording of the FMP
Cecil to be a bit severe.  I love a lot of it,
but my favorite Cecil is not among them (vital though some 
of those disks are).  

Yes, "Air Above Mountains" is solo.  "Air" and "Indent" are 
probably my two favorites.  Good pianos, relatively warm 
analogue recordings, and there's still a slightly
romantic tinge and some awesome structure to
what he plays.  

Both should be easy to find on CD.
=-s
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Subject: Re: "Best" of 1992 Jazz Releases?
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:56:52 PST
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu
Distribution: world


Well as usual anyone who asks for a "best of" list on this newsgroup
is asking for trouble. This is what I sent in for the Cadence Readers'
Poll (which most of the rec.music.bluenote.snobs vote in :-)):

Heavily Biased and Politically Motivated 1992 Jazz Releases List
----------------------------------------------------------------

Peter Kowald	Duos (FMP)
Derek Bailey	Solo guitar vol. 2 (Incus)
Reijseger/Moore/Bennink		Clusone 3 (Ramboy)
Evan Parker	Process and reality (FMP)
Miniature	I can't put my finger on it (JMT)
Barry Guy/Barre Phillips	Arcus (Maya)
Ken Vandermark/Curt Newton	Concert for Jimmy Lyons (cass)
Siamese Twins	s/t (cass)

And if I had received them on time, I would also add:

Jean Derome/Rene Lussier	In the kingdom of the silent 
				(Ambiance Magnetique)
Zorn/Frisell/Lewis	More news for Lulu (Hat Art)

Bill
From: erxleben@ece.arizona.edu (Wayne Erxleben)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Common ground between Jazz and G. Dead?
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: erxleben@ece.arizona.edu (Wayne Erxleben)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

Hello--
Recently there was a discussion on rec.music.gdead about what
kind of music people like to listen to after Grateful Dead
concerts.  The most common response was jazz, especially John
Coltrane, Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, etc.  I agree with this,
and it made me curious how many readers of rec.music.bluenote
also like the Grateful Dead?

It seems to me that the Dead's approach to live playing has much
more in common with jazz than it does with most present-day
rock'n'roll.  They often put 20-minute modal improvisations in
the middle of songs like 'Dark Star', 'Playing in the Band', and
'Cassidy'.  (Well, they used to; now the jams are usually shorter.)
They also do some polyrhythmic stuff, and in the second set of
every show go on some avant-garde explorations known as 'Space'.
And in general they play with much more spontaneity and
improvisation (and much less flash and precision) than most
'rock' bands could even imagine.

Once (or maybe several times) in the early 70's, Miles Davis
opened for the Dead, and they were of course intimidated by having
to follow him.  The interesting part of the story, though, is that
a lot of the audience wasn't familiar with Miles, and thought they
would just have to 'sit through' it.  Phil Lesh says that he and
other members of the Dead positioned themselves where they could
see the audience during Miles' set, and 'watched the conversion' :-)
More recently Bela Fleck has opened Dead shows, and Branford
Marsalis occasionally sits in with them.

Your opinions welcomed.  I will be away from the computer from the
18th to the 29th, and I think the posts only stay up for about a
week here, so I might miss some responses.

Wayne Erxleben
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From: stevea@zeus.bony.com (Steve Albin)
Subject: Re:  MyFunny Valentine, (verse)
Organization: The Bank of New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 22:51:02 GMT

In article <Bz9t5F.BM2@fc.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:

>I imagine you're wondering if there is a "verse" in the sense of, the free form
>introduction that precedes many standards derived from musicals.  I've never
>heard any such verse for MFV, but that doesn't mean there isn't one.

Here's the way I hear Linda Ronstadt sing it.  

        Behold the way our fine feathered friend, 
        His virtue doth parade.
        Thou knowest not my dim-witted friend,
        The picture thou hast made.
        Thy vacant brow and thy tousled hair
        Conceals thy good intent
        Thou noble, upright, truthful, sincere 
        And slightly dopey gent

        Your...
>
>	... My funny valentine


Steve Albin 
stevea@zeus.bony.com
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Jazz Primer updated ??
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:54:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
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stephenad@brt.deakin.edu.au wrote:
: 
: I am about to leave my job and wander aimlessly about the planet
: and was wanting to take the new improved version of the previously
: posted Jazz Primer with me.
: 
: Any chance of it being available in the coming week ??

The latest version is the second edition, last revised 11/12/92.  This was
posted about two months after the original; perhaps you saw my announcement
that it was almost ready, but never saw the actual announcement about a week
later that it was available?  Or maybe you're just wondering if there is a
third edition?

Once again, the primer is available via anonymous ftp from "ftp.njit.edu".
The "ftp" in the machine name is not a typo - it really is the name (or at
least an alias for the name, presumably so they can change the actual server
without affecting the apparent address) of the machine.  Trying to ftp to plain
old "njit.edu" does *not* work.  You must connect to "ftp.njit.edu".

Once you are there, go to /pub/jazz-primer.  There are several files primer.*
there.  "ps" is Postscript, "dvi" is DVI, "shar" is a shar file containing the
unformatted source as for input to "troff -me", "asc" is plain ASCII (the
source run through "nroff -me", which should be a last resort - the formatted
versions look *much* nicer.  The formatted versions are 70 pages long (in 12
point font), not counting the table of contents or title pages, and I highly
recommend you print it double sided.

There are no pending editions coming in the near future.  The one minor change
I might make is to update my addresses in the preface, since I am taking on a
new job within HP and buying a house here in town.  My email address will
probably end up being "mjs@fc.sde.hp.com" - not much use to you if you are
aimlessly wandering around the planet with no job :-), and my US mail address
will be

	Marc Sabatella
	511 E. Myrtle St.
	Ft. Collins, CO 80524

in another month or so, assuming everything goes as planned.

We're getting closer to having "musictex" working, so someday there may be a
version with notated musical examples instead of the ASCII spellings I use now.
This is still several months away at best.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: On liner notes (actually Bill Dixon, and FMP)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:23:50 GMT
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William Hsu (hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu) wrote:
: 
: "Prior to the 1960's, it could not be denied that jazz was a
:  music based on the parsimonious harmonies of a June-Moon music
:  of pop tune standards caught between the scylla and charybdis
:  of a vapid popular music song form and an aspiring aesthetic aim
:  of attainment."
: 
: From little remarks in the liner notes, I got the impression that
: Stewart was/is not, as one might guess from the notes, a stuffy
: European academic/critic. I remember some comments alluding to
: camaraderie with Dixon etc and other references (for example to
: jazz as "our music") which led me to guess that he's an African
: -American jazz musician, but of course I can be wrong.

I don't know, sounds suspiciously like Stanley Crouch on all counts to me.

--
Marc Sabatella
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 enforce any ... ordinance ... whereby homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual
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From: cbas26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Carol Sloane
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:40:22 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Hi,
  I'm new to this news group but I wondered if someone could give me 

some info. on Carole Sloan. I have heard a couple of her albums

but dont know much more (excuse my ignorance!) One song stayed in

my mind.....it was called I Could have Told You So

but I dont know who wrote it. Any information would be great

 Thanks                
               Pat  
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: jbulyk@telesciences.com (Jerry E. Bulyk)
Subject: Re: Giuffre's FREE FALL (was: FLIGHT)
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:52:11 GMT

In article <Bz00K7.G9C@world.std.com> gwl@world.std.com (Glenn W Lea) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.022435.2559@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>FLIGHT, BREMEN 1961 does, indeed, feature the Giuffre 3 (Giuffre, Bley and 
>>Swallow).  The recording was made on November 23, 1961, at Sendesaal Radio, 
>>Bremen.  The tunes on the recording are as follows:
>
>So it was recorded a full 7 months after the studio recordings (a long time 
>in the lifetime of this band).
>
>Well, Lynn, how is it??
>
>Glenn


Having recently picked-up the reissue of this band's original two releases 
THESIS and FUSION, packaged by ECM as JIMMY GIUFFRE 3 1961 [ECM 1438/9 CD 
849644-2], I was really interested in checking-out their third and final 
studio release titled FREE FALL.  FREE FALL is supposed to be the natural
progression into their free-est date. Can someone comment on FREE FALL, 
its availability and compare it wrt to FREE FALL?


	- jerry




Jerry E. Bulyk
TeleSciences C.O. Systems, Inc

INTERNET:        jbulyk@telesciences.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.afro-latin
From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Subject: Re: Descarga Record Co.
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:42:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.180130.1601@bmerh85.bnr.ca> qureshi@bmerh185.BNR.CA (Emran Qureshi) writes:

> In article <Bz6787.2yD@rice.edu>, kamine@is.rice.edu (Jorge Hershel
> Kamine) writes:
> |>I have read the posts mentioning that the catalog now costs $2,
> |>but I would mention that the variety of artists and recordings
> |>will undoubtedly make it worth it.  For those people who are
> |>interested in latin music, latin jazz, or even latin-influenced
> |>music, I think this company will definitely have something for
> |>you.  Additionally, I was told that the service is fast and I
> |>know they are particularly cooperative if they need to backorder.
> |>-- 
> |>**********************************************************************
> **********
> |>*       Jorge Kamine Arreola      * "An eye for an eye leaves two men
> blind."  
> |>*       email: kamine@is.rice.edu *  -Edward James Olmos   
> |>**********************************************************************
> **********
>
> I agree with the sentiments of the last poster.  I recently ordered some
> CDS from Descarga.  They came pretty quickly, and their 'backorders'
> were filled within days.
>
> The newsletter looks pretty good, it has dates of gigs, lots of reviews,
> and I like it better than Latin Beat.
>
> Finally, for 'novices' such as me - they were particularly patient when
> I sought advice on what I should order considering my preferences to date.

 Thats it - hope it helps.

 Emran

Um.....how about an address or phone number guys?



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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Subject: Re: akisakila, by c.t.
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:15:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.1561.8105@channel1> "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com> writes:
>Sorry, I lost the article I'm referring to here, but someone noted that
>the Konnex CD reissue of _Akisakila_ contains a half-hour of "Lono,"
>solo piano.
>
>That must be the concert recorded a week after _Akisakila_ that had been
>issued on a seperate album.  The center of that concert is a version of
>"Indent."  The timings that have been cited for the two concerts as
>given on the Konnex reissue work out correctly.

Right -- Akisakila was recorded on 22 May 1973; Lono on 29 May 1973.

>It's nice to see that the Konnex reissue contains two rare albums and
>not just one.  My familiarity with the music came from having original
>LPs, and then later Japanese CDs.

That's true, but note that the release is on two of CDs!  (Akisakila
is 82 minutes long and thus requires two CDs.)
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Solo Cecil (was Re: akisakila, by c.t.)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:27:24 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I have Ident and used to have Air Above... on vinyl.  I think I like
Spring for Two Blue Js and Silent Tongues better.  The encore number of
After All is a great song, and Cecil follows the form.  The most recent one
I have is For Olim, which is quite a few years old.  I don't have any of
the FMPs, I hear the East Berlin is supposed to be good.

I really like the stuff he has been doing with Tony Oxley.  Of course,
all his ensemble works usually have solo sections.

Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: last Dolphy sessions, confused
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:14:59


In article <871@blue.cis.pitt.edu> saul+@pitt.edu (Alan B Saul) writes:

> Finally, it was interesting to hear the comments about Improvisations and
> Tukras. Are you being an authenticist, Sandeep? Not knowing the roots, I'm
> less offended by the vocals and tabla. I do agree with you about Jim Crow,
> an extraordinary composition.

I listened to the piece about 3 times before making up my mind; and I
tried hard not to be too much of an authenticist. It's just that
Dolphy seemed to have absorbed the Indian feel of the flute (more
folk than classical to my ears) without even playing a traditional
bansuri or bamboo flute (I think; the notes don't say anything).
Underneath that you have Gina Lalli playing (if you want to call it
that) the tabla in such lacklustre fashion; she is neither keeping
time nor indulging in any exchange of ideas with Eric; nor making any
musical statement that I can hear. I'm not sure if Gina Lalli was the
woman doing the vocal accompaniment but that was really, really hard
to tolerate :-) I admit it is hard for someone from north India to
not wince when you hear Hindi mauled; but even if one tunes out the
pronounciation of "ek, do, teen" etc. her voice sounds so insipid
almost like someone trying to drag down Dolphy's fine melodic
sensibility which was in demonstration on that tune.

I guess it is hard to defend the idea of the "right way" to play or
sing and there were sparks the last time I stepped into those waters
:-) I'm the first one to confess to my overt "authenticism"; maybe
others familiar with Hindustani classical and folk music might want
to comment as well.

/sandeep
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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mropp@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Jazz Pianists, MyFunny Valentine, and internal states
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 20:46:18 GMT

this is laura.  I can play my funny valentine on trumpet and I will try to get you the lyrics by 12-23-92
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Subject: Re: Muddy Waters Discography
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:45:16 GMT

In article <1g82dcINN33v@life.ai.mit.edu> oded@fiber-bits.ai.mit.edu (Oded Maron) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.163424.15952@bnr.ca>, ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:
>|> I can Add
>|>                  - Chess Box                               (Chess 1990?, 3CD)
>
>This is definitely the thing to get.  Forget the money.  Plop down the ~30 bucks and
>take the sucker home.  This has everything you ever wanted to hear and more.  Each
>disk has over 70 minutes of growling, chicago blues at its best.  Wow.


I purchased a boxed CD set made by Chess in Europe called The Complete Muddy
Waters 1947-1967 which purports to contain all Chess releases made by Muddy
Waters in 1947-1967 (except the ``Super Blues'' sessions from January and
September 1967).

The box set has number ``CD Red Box 3'' and contains many unreleased tracks.
(It contains 9 CDs/205 tracks in total.)  It is apparently an import, but I
was able to buy it for about $100 in Pittsburgh.
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