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From: petty@ike.navo.navy.mil (Jim Petty)
Subject: Muskeagean Indians
Organization: Naval Oceanographic Office
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:02:54 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-11293]: ike.navo.navy.mil

Could someone please sort out this mess for me.  Im currently doing research on a 
specific Indian tribe by the name of Muskeagean.  After reviewing numerous
documents and books, I cannot fine these Indians of Mississippi.  However, I have
found the name Acolapissa, associated with the Muskeagean.  Question, are the
Muskeagean Indians really the Acolapissa?.  Second, in research books I have also
found the Muskogee Indians, located in the same general area; southwest
Mississippi, and southeastern Louisiana, as the Muskeagean Indians. Question, are
the Muskeagean Indians really the Muskogee?.  Last but not least, I have heard
that the Muskeagean Indians are really a band of Choctow Indians that drifted
south into southern Mississippi.  
Please if anyone can shead a little lite on this matter I would be truly thankful
for your effort and support.  Please post as soon as possible.  Thanks in
advance. Im desperate.   



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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Query: science and technological culture
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:54:39 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <BvJwD2.96p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu writes:

 > Can anyone recommend reading on "the information age", the role of technology
 > and science in the post-modern world, and the implications for social 
 > organization, either locally or globally?  
 >
 > What has been written recently on the cult or culture of science?
 >

Most of this type of work has been done in Social Psychology, Sociology,
Philosophy and Ethics (sep. of Science) although you might find Fardon
(1985) "Knowledge and Power" of interest.

 > What is current thinking on developement v. preservation of indigenous
 > cultures on native lands?

"Current thinking" is extremely bitter and highly politicised. Some of
us here in Australia are working as "independents" simply in any effort
to bring much of it back from open confrontation, and at least get the
various parties to sit and talk it over.

It does not make it any easier to have issues framed as "development
VERSUS preservation of indigenous cultures on native lands", since the
two are not at all incompatible. The question rather concerns the
notion of "culturally appropriate development" within the generic
"sustainable development" applying to any economy.

In other countries, however, indigenous people are dislocated and
"resettled", or simply shot in order to make their lands available to
developers, most commonly arising out of pressure from international
financiers on the government concerned to service massive and long-
standing loans. I would not define any of this as "development",
however. The level of scorched-earth destructiveness in some areas
is absolutely mind-boggling.

Please do not read this as a political statement, only as information
provided in response to a question. Other areas of the net provide
plenty of media releases by vested interests if any wish to follow
them up.

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Re: Millenium (TV Series)
Reply-To: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:58:45 GMT

Richard Wilk has a good point re: the propagandistic potential
of the Millenium series. Having worked on an off for many
years on 'practical' research issues involving ethnic and
race relations, refugees, etc., I have long appreciated the
fact that much of our potential impact on the world is wasted
simply because we 'do anthropology' on subjects, but forget to
do it on our readers. Clearly, if one's object is to subvert
(kindly put, "modify") another's views, the most effective
way is to do so from within their frame of meaning. Thus what
Wilk says about the 'general public' and the M. series also
applies to the interface between researchers and public issue/
problems interest groups. Of course, there are risks here: that
the social problems discourse's allocation of salience and 
concepts become those of the researcher, which can be really
deadly: a Canadian instance would be both the hugh corpus of
material written on First Nations issues, and that concerning
immigrant origin populations.

Still, I think that as a propaganda effort there is something
central I do not like about this series--and much of 'concerned'
anthropology as well: a concentration on the exotic, isolated,
small scale, etc. There ARE, as Wilk mentioned literally (tens of)
millions of people in very bad shape right now--at least 15 million
refugees and other displaced persons, etc. But the vast majority
of them are not sufficiently exotic to attract the attention of
people like those who did this series. There is a perfect analogy
here in much applied work, where 'significance' takes the role
of the exotic. To return to my Canadian examples, First Nations
leaders prefer to refer to themselves in national, rather than
ethnic terms. This is perfectly understandable, as they are currently
battling hard (and effectively) for certain national rights of
self determination. But then look at the anthro literature on 
these groups; it therefore uses the same organizing metaphor. Hence,
there is very little ethnic and race relations work done on 
First nations people, even though this is a central aspect of
the experiences of virtually all of them. Similar examples
could be trotted out endlessly.
    Norm Buchignani/University of Lethbridge/BUCHIGNANI@HG.ULETH.CA
"If we have been accustomed to deplore the spectacle...of a workman occupied
during his whole life in nothing else but the making of knife-handles or pins'
heads, we may find something quite as lamentable in the intellectual class, in
the exclusive employment of a human brain in resolving some equations, or in
classifying insects. [This] occasions a miserable indifference about the
general course of human affairs, as long as there are equations to solve and
pins to manufacture."                                      Auguste Comte
From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Homosexuality & Evolution
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:02:01 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1a0r28INN8k2@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, arkdr@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Dave Rindos) writes:
> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan {IS}) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Sep14.230543.204@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Jane.R.Deering@dartmouth.edu (Jane R. Deering) writes:
>>>
>>>Perhaps an even more straightforward example comes from ancient Greek
>>>society.  Not only was homosexual activity between grown men and young
>>>boys allowed, the love it was supposed to be inspired by was looked
>>>upon as more honorable and deeply rooted than the love between husbands
>>>and wives.  One of the best texts for those who are curious about this
>>>is Plato's _Symposium_.  This should clear up the question of whether
>>>or not approval of sexual practices such as homosexuality and pederasty
>>>is biological or cultural - it is cultural.
>>>
>>Care should be taken before drawing too strong a conclusion based on a
>>single source.
> 
>>What would you conclude of Victorian England culture based on a transcript
>>of an Oscar Wilde dinner party?
> 
> BZZZZZZZTTT....
> 
> Sorry, dear, one should conclude LOTS!  And most of it correct!
> 
> Dave,
> smiling....

Ya, I suppose one could conclude LOTS!  How about that it was a cultural
adaptation to a lack of women due to the high level of infanticide practiced,
particularly with female infants?
From: thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl))
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: a business question
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:16:03 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1687476FD.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
writes:
>I would appreciate any suggested reading on the topics of intergroup
>communication or dynamics or interactions (sorry about the vague terminology).
>Any suggestions would be welcomed.  Thanks.
>

You might try Rosabeth Moss Kantor's book, "Men and Women of the
Corporation".  It is a sociological study of the dynmaics of social 
organization in a large corporation, and the impact of the structure
on individual behavior.
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Cognitive anthro. interest in CYC?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:08:32 GMT

Doug Lenat of MCC in Texas is leading a project (CYC) to encode a large
part of commonsense in a form useable by computers.  The computer-useable
constraint has forced researchers to examine our commonsense knowledge
to a very detailed level.

The project reminds me of much of my reading in cognitive anthropology
a few years ago.  Has there been any discussion of this project in
CA circles?

	-dp-

Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: bechdol@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Bechdol)
Subject: Re: Distance Education?
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 13:51:30 GMT
Reply-To: bechdol@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <-1367559262snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>, gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
|> 
|> If you want fun, please do subscribe to any of the many rec., alt. ot
|> talk. groups on the net. There is a whole smorgasbord of fun and
|> learning for you there (tried alt.erotica.binaries?), and none of us
|> here are seeking to deny you in any way whatsoever.
|> 
|> --
|> Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
|> Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
|> PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
|>    * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *

Good Luck.  I hope you find the kind of students you're looking for.

-- 
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                                                          Jeffery A. Bechdol
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: [GEN] Is anthropology possible? (was: communities)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 15:23:05 GMT

In article <BvEnnq.7xs@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <717814635snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au writes:
>>
>>In article <BvCE39.2u8@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com writes:
>
>> >   But my point is that while I can try to draw my own conclusions,
>> >   I would prefer to know what the conclusions are of trained anthro-
>> >   pologists who have studied many cultures in depth, both European
>> >   and non-European.
			.
			.
			.
>>They do not make any sense at all, for example, to Aboriginal people
>>here in Australia. In their own culture such questions do not even
>>represent the curiosity of a child; they are simply gobbledegook,
			.
			.
			.
>  names or labels and make them suitable subjects for study.  If 
>  not then the whole concept of an "ology" for us "anthro's" is 
>  called into question!  But I don't see why there is any need for 
>  the subjects of the research to concern themselves with these
>  things any more than I need to study linguistics in order to
>  speak or write.          
>
>  Or maybe it's entirely possible that framing questions like this
>  is beyond the state of the art for anthropology, or that anthopology
>  does not quite deserve the moniker "science" just yet.   If this
>  is the case then someone should just say so.
A couple of days ago you asked for a good intro
textbook.  I hoped someone more knowledgeable
would offer an answer, but, as I've seen none
yet, consider either

	Alland, Alexander, Jr.
	1980	To be human:  an introduction to anthropology.
		New York:  Wiley.

or, better, at the cost of a bit of work,
look through some of the many book reviews
that appear in each issue of *American
Anthropologist*.

Yes, it does look as though Gil is denying
that anthropology is a science, in the sense
you use (appropriately) here.  If so, I
don't agree with Gil, although you'll find
plenty of practioners who are on his side.
			.
			.
			.
>  already worked out some practical methodology.  I'm merely
>  asking *whether* a certain topic, i.e., "community" as general
>  human phenomenon, has ever been studied, and if so, where I can
>  read about it.
Check out the relevant references in

	Brown, Donald Edward
	1991	Human universals.  New York:  McGraw-Hill.
			.
			.
			.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Distance Education?
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:52:06 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
Reply-To: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au


Given the appalling level of argument in this newsgroup, I am tempted
to offer short courses in Anthropology in an effort to build into the
group at least an informed standard. We might also make some good use
of this powerful medium of communication since it is freely available.

Please note: I am only thinking of a basic, layperson's level of
Anthropological understanding; NOT for accreditation and certainly not
implying that I would attempt to create a school of overnight experts
capable of carrying out fieldwork as anthropologists.

Students would need to buy text-books, however, while assignments
can be returned directly via e-mail for grading. Otherwise, if any
academics or teachers out there are interested in forming a college
to supervise such a program I would be very interested to hear from
you also.



Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.systems
From: mrs@athena.research.ptt.nl (Marieke Schuijt)
Subject: Re: Female breast (bosom) experience wanted!
Originator: mrs@athena.research.ptt.nl
Keywords: femal breast bosom
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:04:44 GMT

annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:

>wuytswin@athena.research.ptt.nl (Wuijtswinkel R. van) writes:

[... insulting questions deleted ...]

>>Please give you view about this. It should be non-medical!
>>Give you own thoughts, opinions or other reactions to the e-mail address below:

>>If somebody already published about this subject, please let me know.

>>You may also FAX to the following number: +31 40 53 51 85.

>OK girls. Put your breasts on the scanner and FAX them to PTT Research. Will you
>bring me a copy, Ronald?

I find this a very insulting suggestion and I must say that I feel
ashamed that both of you work for the same company as me.

>>Greetings Ronald.

>By the way, why do you consider this to be `Dutch Culture?' I think the
>misunderstandings about the Dutch and sex are bad enough as they are.

Are they? I never realized this! How did you get such knowledge? 

But seriously I think that both of you should be hung from a big tree by
the balls for 48 hours and hopefully you will then see that it is very
inapropriate to make fun of women's breasts! 

	No regards this time, Marieke
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: communities
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 11:07:27 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct2.141344.8949@honte.uleth.ca> buchignani@hg.uleth.ca writes:

 >  
 > I must say I am a little surprised about the line of responses
 > to what I would consider to be a very important question about
 > communities. Historically, community as a general concept has
 > been central in social thought for a long time; I even teach
 > a course in it, with a Canadian accent. In the 18th century
 > people like Ferguson, Millar, Rousseau, etc. did battle over
 > its nature without using the word specifically. In the 19th,
 > Robertson Smith, Tylor, etc. made it an essential element of
 > their studies on religion and ritual. Weber and Durkheim based whole
 > social theories on it, and Toennies gave us a further clarlification
 > of the community/society distinction. Fieldwork being essentially
 > small scale, community was typically the social unit that bounded 
 > inquiry as this tradition began. The Chicago School made urban communities
 > central, etc. etc.
 >  
 > I would agree that anthros today tend more often to use community
 > as a methodological bounding mechanism for their studies than
 > to centrally study it. Example: I just finished a review of the
 > ethnographic literature on ethnicity and ethnic relations in Canada.
 > Most of this literature is on immigrant origin populations that
 > form urban communities, but not very much of it is on community
 > structure per se. There is even less synthetic work on community
 > in general.

Thank you very much indeed, Norm. I was hoping that someone from over
there would offer some form of counterpoint to the discussion.

Here in Australia all the classical studies simply fall apart at the
seams, much to the chagrin of some very famous names indeed. Even the
notion of kinship, away from immediate families, can only be usefully
termed "classificatory" in the European sense.

Fairly heavy studies in religion in order to access what we refer to
as The Dreaming, or Law, can arrive at the substance of Aboriginal
inter-relationships reforming into a notion we would recognise as
"community", and we understand and use the term here in that sense.
The process is more one of realisation after many years in the field
with the people themselves than of analysis, and this is what makes
translation back into the European idiom difficult.

For that reason I suggested that the Zen path is perhaps the most
fruitful . . .

Gil

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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From: s1006420@titan.ucc.umass.edu (If you want peace work for justice)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: The Bible In The Context of Its Time
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:38:24 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Oct05.135822.10670@rchland.ibm.com> bechdol@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>Greetings !
>
>Does anyone know of any references that approach the Scriptures from a cultural
>anthropology point of view that put the Text in the idioms of the time when it 
>was written?
>
>-- 
>                                                                     Cheers,
>
>                                                          Jeffery A. Bechdol
>"What is essential is invisible to the eye."        IBM/ABS System Design II
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is a book written by Elaine Pagels, a prof. of religious studies
at Princeton - The Gnostic Gospels - about the 52 gnostic gospels
unearthed in 1945 in Hag Hammadi (Egypt) - these are not the Dead Sea
scrolls - they are gospels such as Gospel of Mary , of Phillip, etc -
which are early translations of the ones apparently circulating in
that early period of christian era, but which were deliberately left
out by the people putting together the Bible, because they
questioned among other things the authoritarian and androcratic
structure of the church taking hold of power around 200 a.d.

This is not an anthropological study but you may find it interesting -
especially because of what it reveals.

Vera B.
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: wilkr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (richard wilk)
Subject: Re: Millenium (TV Series)
Summary: Lets have some balance 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:27:43 GMT

I hope we can discuss Millenium a bit more calmly, and
restrain the flames a bit.

I agree that there was a lot of shamefull romanticization
of non-western people in the series. Not much insight, and not
a lot of current anthropological understanding of history
and the danger of objectifying the 'other.'

On the other hand, lets remember who the audience is, and what
Maybury-Lewis' agenda is. He is talking to people who DO NOT
CARE if the Yanomamo live or die, people who accept that the
destruction of other cultures is just 'the price of progress'
(as they have been taught in their US History books in high school).

And despite all my intellectual alarm bells going off while
watching the series, on another level I felt there was a
sense of connection with these other cultures and their lives, that
their ways of living were receiving some respect. Yes, it was
often condescending, and it was horrible that we were never sure
WHOSE voice we were hearing - the translator, the script writer,
the anthropologist... But BEFORE we can teach students and
public about these issues, we have to ENGAGE people by 
convincing them that these people are worthy of our
attention and our empathy. In a world where millions
are in urgent danger of death by war and starvation, and
where the overfed wasteful masses of the north are
increasingly indifferent, I think we have to put the goal
of empathy and engagement above our dearly-held desire for
truth and parsimony. Call me a pragmatist. (but don't
flame me for it). :)

BTW, I have heard that M-L himself did not write the series.
It was written by a team of professional TV people, who have
only a passing acquaintance with anthropology. In my own
experience working with public TV, they have very little
patience with or understanding of the differences of opinion  
among the people they deem 'experts.' They want us to have
a single consistent story, and when we insist that there are
important differences of opinion, they go off and write what they
think the public wants to hear.


-- 
Richard Wilk                             Anthropology Dept.
wilkr@iubacs                             Indiana University
voice 812-855-8162                       Bloomington, IN 47405
"Things are more like they are now than they've ever been before."
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