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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Archimedes 'BBC Basic'
From: Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:06:28 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <9210140849.AA26892@vassal.cm.cf.ac.uk> Robert.V.Thomas@cm.cf.ac.uk (Detective sargeant Hobson) writes:
>
>  Hello all !
>
>  I have recently been given an Archimedes to play with.I wanted to
>  create some sounds using BBC Basic.However the manuals that I have
>  don't mention the 'envelope' statement.
>    Please can some kind soul help with this trickey technical problem :)
>  and give me the parameter info.
>
>  Thanks a lot,
>
>               Rob Thomas (Your local Archimedes ignoramus ).

Acorn "havn't yet" implemented the envelope command...

There are much more sophisticated ways of producing sound on the Arc,
but the relatively simple envelope command has been ommitted,
deliberately. 

I personally would like to see the envelope command reinstated.


Gavin
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From: duplain@rtf.bt.co.uk (Andy Duplain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: TeX flame war starting.  Book your seats early.
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:50:01 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <Bw3351.Bvw@fuhainf.fernuni-hagen.de> koellner@galaxy.fernuni-hagen.de (Johnnie Walker) writes:
>Malcolm Lithgow (lithgow@usl.com) wrote:
>  
>: a) Make every effort to avoid them (did you know that Knuth is offering
>: a few hundred US dollars for every bug found in TeX82?)
>
>tEx IS a major error itself.
	 
	What's wrong with TeX then ?  Perhaps you prefer something like
	WordPerfect... WYSIWYG freak!

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From: sdaveyj@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: modem-program
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:38:23 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology


             < M O D E M   P R O G R A M >

I logged on today to find myself showered with enquiries about ALfred's 
Modem program !Zansi. Thankyou

I have taken note of your names and things, and I will tell him about
it and hopefully we can get something posted off

Acorn are making noises about wanting it so we'll see what happens.

There are two versions of the program, one free all working but with an
annoying message occasionally, and the registered version ($20Aus or
10pounds I think) I hope you don't think this is advertising, it's 
hardly. The program is well worth it, the best piece of coding I've 
seen, and for all you FLAMERS out there it is written in a C, Assembler
MIX!.

I hope I haven't annoyed anyone, and I'll do my best to make the program
available

(PS I did the cool looking templates on it)

            John Davey
From: ijp@doc.ic.ac.uk (Ian Palmer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Warning: Risc Developments
Date: 12 Oct 1992 11:22:14 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak6.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <41@rook.ukc.ac.uk> mre@ukc.ac.uk (Mike) writes:
>
>Oh,  and just in case you're wondering why I haven't returned my harddrive...
>
>Cost of unit                  #200
>Charge for returning unit     #170
>                              ====
>Total refund if unit returned #030
>

Personally I'd tell them where they could stick their #170 charge for
returning the unit. My plan of action (but then I'm like that) based
solely on what information about their drives I've seen on this group,
would be :

1) Return the unit, with covering letter claiming FULL refund - based
on the fact that the goods are "not suitable for the purpose for which
they were supplied" (good term that one, but check the exact wording).
(I take it that this is the case - ie. hard disc is supplied for
storing data in a semi-permanent manner on your Arc).

2) If they charge you the #170, write to them again requesting the
#170 within 14 days otherwise you will take all legal steps necessary
to recover the amount owed to you under the relevant consumer
protection act (needs a trip to the library, or CAB, to get full
details (quoting the Act number always gives your letter that edge).

3) If it comes to it issue a rit (sp??) through the small claims
court, cost to you (I think about #10) cost to them their legal costs
(whether or not they win or loose, but chances are they'll bow down
before this stage any way).

4) Failing that :-), a good old fashioned "If you don't do what I
want, I'll make sure that as many Acorn users as possible get to hear
of this story - bearing in mind I've got access to Usenet News
(explaining to them what that is)" type of bribary is always a good
laugh. Oh! You've already done that one. 

5) Failing that, firebombing is a good option :-) (joke)


Of course that's just my opinion, and I accept no resposibility for my
handy hints(tm). Full leather bound copy of "Handy Hints" available
upon request (plus large sums of money) :-)

This article brought to you by "Smile, and the world looks at you in a
funny way, inc." in assosiation with "Handy Hints 'R' Us, plc."

Ian

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From: gilbertd@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (David Alan Gilbert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: 3D borders
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:23:47 GMT

In <Bw2EJM.CCv@brunel.ac.uk> cs89jmb@brunel.ac.uk (Jason M Banham) writes:

>Salutations,

>Just a quick message before my Time & Resources lecture.

>In Risc OS 3.00, you could setup the window borders, close icon, etc...
>to be 3D be defining your own set of sprites for each of the required icons
>that needed adjusting.
OK - I seem to remember a posting which said that there a 'toolsprites'
command now which loaded the window border sprites into a diffeerent area,
so presumably asll you need to do is toolsprites and the filename of the
relavent sprite file - I dont know - I'm
still waiting for RO3.1 from Archive (HA!)

Dave

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: zrzm0111@helpdesk.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (MUFTI)
Subject: Re: Tierra (doesnt anyone else use this?)
Organization: User Help Desk, Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:27:40 GMT

In article <s2HFsB1w164w@Control.Com> ics.aslater@control.com writes:
>Dear All....
>
>Having actually now managed to get !Tierra running on my machine I can now 
>offer some hopefully helpful pointers for anyone else wanting to but having 
>some bother - 
>I think the easiest way is to roll your own makefile in the usual fashion by 
>adding members  - the main tierra source requires everything in the 
>!Tierra.source.c directory [....]


Sorry, I don't know, what tierra is, But are you sure that it is only 
useful for people, who owns a C-Compiler ?

so long
MUFTI
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell)
Subject: Re: AU Meet
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:03:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.085209.10604@csd.uwe.ac.uk> r_voisey@csd.bristol-poly.ac.uk writes:
>
>All the Arcade users are meeting up at the Atomwide stand at the end of the
>show on Saturday.  They seem to think that the c.s.a people are doing
>likewise..  if that's the case I suspect that upwards of fifty people will
>be descending on the local Pizza Hut - I don't suppose anyone will think
>to call them first.. ;-)

Allow me to confirm the exact details, Arcade users are supposed to be
meeting at the Atomwide stand at the end of the show on saturday.
They will then proceed, in a hopefully orderly fashion to the Pizzahut place
on the Strand, then after that, proceeding onto the Coal Hole pub, which
is also in the Strand.

I wonder what the Pizzahut people will think when hoards of computer geeks
carrying laden carrier bags occupy the top floor of the restaurant. :-)

A
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: goodwin@edieng.enet.dec.com (Pete Goodwin)
Subject: Re: RISC-OS 3.10 Features
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: uk
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:32:54 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.091540.27682@lut.ac.uk>, S.Hickinbottom@lut.ac.uk writes...

>If you are quitting via a 'quit' menu option then this must be something
>new. The problem of 3d buttons popping back up after the application has
>Wimp_CloseDown'd is another problem which Acorn apparantly know about.

No, quitting from a menu works. I forgot what I'm working on does popup a
dialog box with a 3d button ('Yes') to quit. I never made then connection until
I went back and looked again. I've got it working now.

Pete Goodwin
goodwin@system.enet.dec.com
From: ee91mds2@brunel.ac.uk (Mark D Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: BAU show news
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:44:03 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK


BAU SHOW NEWS
-------------

Acorn will be selling draught copies of the Risc-OS 3 Programmer's reference manuals at the show. They cost #120 and this includes the finished version when they are released.

Software 42 will be selling some new games, and also ArcFS 2. This will cost #20, or #12 if you are upgrading from ArcFS 1 and BRING ALONG YOUR ORIGINAL DISK FROM DAVID PILLING. (Sorry, I had to get this one in!)

Come along and say hello to both me and Simon Burrows on the ARM Club stand!

See you there!

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Acorn will be selling draught copies of the Risc-OS 3 Programmer's reference manuals at the show. They cost #120 and this includes the finished version when they are released.
From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: That alleged bug with RO 3.10
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:02:24 +1200
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: My Arc.

smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:

> Here is a quote from Acorn Customer Services:
> 
> "RISC OS 3.1 TASK MANAGER
> 
> Problem: When displaying the info box on the task manager in RISC OS 3.1, if
> MENU is selected over this window then an 'Abort on Data Transfer' error
> occurs.
> 
> Answer: The reason why is that selecting menu over the info box would have
> displayed a rolling demo of all the programmers involved in the development
> of RISC OS 3. As this was removed from 3.1, unfortunately the removal left
> this bug."
> 
> [I guess that this is the feature which can now be accessed by clicking
> on the letters t-e-a-m]

   Incredible how slow news propogation can be isn't it? I only get to see
this 8 days after it was posted. One point to notice about it is that the
report of the error *in no way* states that it will 'crash the machine'.
This was the whole thrust of earlier postings on this bug 'report/rumour'.

    Philip

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From: r_voisey@garlic.uwe.ac.uk (R Voisey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: AU Meet
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:52:09 GMT
Reply-To: r_voisey@csd.bristol-poly.ac.uk
Organization: The University of the West of England (The Magic Roundabout)

In article <15586@suns4.crosfield.co.uk>, ojg@crosfield.co.uk (oliver gunasekara) writes:

|> >My current suggestion is to gather at the nearest bar to the Acorn
|> >stand at 12:00 on Saturday and then again at closing time for a pizza
|> >hunt.

All the Arcade users are meeting up at the Atomwide stand at the end of the
show on Saturday.  They seem to think that the c.s.a people are doing
likewise..  if that's the case I suspect that upwards of fifty people will
be descending on the local Pizza Hut - I don't suppose anyone will think
to call them first.. ;-)

Bob

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
From: felixa@microsoft.com (Felix GTi Andrew)
Subject: Re: That alleged bug with RO 3.10
Date: 07 Oct 92 22:05:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Oct2.005227.2017@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA) writes:
>
>Try clicking menu on the "Name:" text in the window. It bombs my A5000 and
>Edouard's 410. It doesn't have any effect if you click elsewhere.

Well I tried this and nothing went wrong.
So what I did was run !Windower and found this red box.
The window titles "About the Operating System" to the right of Version:
there is a red box - anyone know what this is for - or is acorn subtly
wasting space in the ROMs again 8-)

There are lots of other spurious things around in other windows, but
you can find them too using !Windower.

Thanks
	Felix
From: enevill@acorn.co.uk (Edward Nevill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Heia guys: New flame war starting (ok, let's do it civilized...)
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:01:21 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Oct9.115104.11559@cs.tu-berlin.de> aua@cs.tu-berlin.de (Daniel Tamberg) writes:

>ARM700                         300  ps
>64MB RAM                       640  ps
>Disc drives (512MB SCSI & CD) 1100  ps
>Graphics System                300  ps
>16bit sound                    100  ps
>Floptical drive                100  ps
>Connectivity                   200  ps
>Quietness                        0  ps
>Bits & Pieces                  300  ps
>----------------------------------------
>SUM                           3040  ps

How about adding in a few pounds for profit. Acorn is, after all, a
commercial company:-)

Edward (enevill@acorn.co.uk)

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From: tomc@siesoft.co.uk (Tom Crossland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: RO 3.1 Bugs Again!
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: tomc@siesoft.co.uk
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

blackbdj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Dave Blackburn) writes:
: I have a bug but i dont know whether it has been discussed before since i've
: only just got back to Uni. If you bring up the Free space indicator on a disk
: that multitasks in its little window then when you dismount the disk it does
: not dissapear. Surely this is highly irregular and wouldn't have taken much to
: correct.

You're right. It wouldn't take much to correct, just a simple click on that
close icon.
From: Ikki@BEIZ.mediatex.ch (012948111-6971: ff. Videotex Station)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: JAPANESE DONTS FOR ARCHIE (KANJI, KATAKA
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:40:05 GMT
Organization: MEDIAtex AG, CH-8807 Freienbach/SZ

Hi. I m looking for Japanese Fonts for
the Archie, especially for the Katakana
an Kanji. Does Kanji exist on the Archie
at all?


Thanx for all Infos.


Greetings.

Internet: Ikki(at)BEIZ.mediatex.ch





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From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Heia guys: New flame war starting (ok, let's do it civilized...)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:40:22 +1300
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: My Arc.

enevill@acorn.co.uk (Edward Nevill) writes:

> In article <1992Oct9.115104.11559@cs.tu-berlin.de> aua@cs.tu-berlin.de (Daniel Tamberg) writes:
> 
> >ARM700                         300  ps
> >64MB RAM                       640  ps
> >Disc drives (512MB SCSI & CD) 1100  ps
> >Graphics System                300  ps
> >16bit sound                    100  ps
> >Floptical drive                100  ps
> >Connectivity                   200  ps
> >Quietness                        0  ps
> >Bits & Pieces                  300  ps
> >----------------------------------------
> >SUM                           3040  ps
> 
> How about adding in a few pounds for profit. Acorn is, after all, a
> commercial company:-)

   That and the relatively small size of Acorn compared to the other
companies people on here compare you lot against. I dunno no matter how many
times I say it people just don't seem to catch onto the idea that their idea
of a 'dream machine' and Acorn's marketing aim is radically different.

   The above specs are *way* out of line for Acorn's stated intentions. Most
educational machines do *not* need the above hardware. And remember that is
what Acorn are making and have as their primary market.

    Philip

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From: banksie@khantazi.welly.gen.nz (Philip R. Banks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: That alleged bug with RO 3.10
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:59:03 +1200
Reply-To: banks_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: My Arc.

smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:

> In article <9210020820.AA17366@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes:
> >In <2N4zkNj024n@khantazi.welly.gen.nz> Philip R. Banks writes:
> >>Not is Risc OS 3.10 *not* slower than 3.0 it is infact
> >>faster.
> >yeah, but is it faster than RISCOS 2.0 (which is what _most_ of us
> >are upgrading from)
> 
> Philip seems to have become rather confused. No-one would deny that RISC OS
> 3.10 is faster than 3.00 - after all, it has had many months' extra work
> put in to optimise the code for speed. The discussion was comparing its
> speed with RISC OS 2.00.

   Wrong - perhaps, confused - no. *If* the quote was a little longer you
would have seen I compared Risc OS 3.1 to Risc OS 2.0 a little further in.
And in case your news base is like mine and has a very short memory I was of
the opinion RO3.1 is not slower than RO2 on an ARM2 system. The only area of
slowdown I noticed was that of the time taken to print the pretty boot
screen RO3 does...

    Philip

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From: tomc@siesoft.co.uk (Tom Crossland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Re : OOP ( missing persons )
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:16:29 GMT
Reply-To: tomc@siesoft.co.uk
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

gpcec@westminster.ac.uk (Tom Kirby-Green) writes:
: Its got to be a native RISC OS version. From my point of view, while C++
: would be nice, *any* OOP language would be a start. I don't image SmallTalk
: ( old I know ) is available?

SmallTalk 80 is available for the arc. If my memory serves me correctly it's
been around for a while now, with it's own GUI bit aswell.
From: yorkr@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Richard York)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Student Offers
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:41:21 GMT

I am currently in the throws of getting an A4 (hard drive version) and since
I'm a student I thought "I know, I'll make use of one of Acorn's student offers"
How ever when I enquire of Watford and other dealers they say "sure you can
get it cheaper, but you loose any of OUR provided discounts".
	What is going on? Surely all of this discount is paid for by Acorn;
hense I have to fill in a form which the dealer then returns. Doesn't this
means the dealer makes no less profit? Why then can't he still offer me
one of his enducements?

	All opinions or advice would be much apreciated,

		Richard.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: Using ARM code and portability to 32bit ARM'S
From: jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:59:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

gilbertd@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (David Alan Gilbert) writes:

>Has the world forgotten about MACRO's????
>Surely its possible to put the problematic stuff into 
>MACRO's.  Anyway I dont suppose that is too bad an idea for
>some of the problem areas (e.g. flag setting, returns
>from routines etc.).

This is handy, but how many already-written programs are there
that use macros for all these things? Sure, starting a new program
with 2 chipsets in mind it's easy to make it cross-compatible, but
the main 'discussion' was about porting/upgrading an existing
program to make best use of the new features...
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From: sdes91hk@ap05.cip3a.tu-harburg.de (Holger Klingspohr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn
Subject: Re: That alleged bug with RO 3.10
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:36:54 GMT
Reply-To: klingspohr@tu-harburg.dbp.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Hamburg-Harburg

In article <1992Oct8.234928.3721@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, jwil1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (TMOTA) writes:
|> adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David) writes:
|> 
|> >F12 no longer does anything useful, and the only way to get a task window is
|> >by loading an earlier version of !Edit from disc. What CLI commands can be
|> >used to restore the Task Manager to normality?
|> 
|> But without a task manager, you can't get a CLI (unless you quit the desktop

Try the following:

1. load Edit
2. choose Create Obey file
3. type 
   RMReinit taskmanager
   Desktop
4. save the file to ramdisc or whatever
5. double-click on it and see what happens....

(Just trying to be helpful)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn