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From: rbraun@spdcc.com (Rich Braun)
Subject: Re: additional features for linux
Keywords: virtual serial consoles, tcpip bootrom, streams, isdn-driver
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc., Waltham MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:19:19 GMT

Yesterday I set out to bring up a program called 'ecu' under Linux.  This
is a really nice, full-featured terminal program posted a couple years
back to comp.unix.sources.

The good news: After only minor tinkering, I got the Make to run almost
all the way through.  This really speaks well of the compatibility (at
the source level) of Linux with other ***x systems.

The bad news: like many other software packages, this program uses
shared memory and IPC to manage its internal communications.  Linux
doesn't have a sys/ipc.h, so I gather from this that it doesn't
yet support shared memory.

This is probably an FAQ, but I'd like to hear some project plans from
people working on extensions to the kernel, listing the things which are
missing and which are considered priorities.  If there are enough people
to do the work (I might be able to do some of it) maybe it's possible
to really develop a complete system.

-rich
From: operjsl@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: HELP X gods! .99 broke my xdm!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 05:42:46 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: operjsl@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

I just finished compiling 0.99 with tcp.  I had to do some fun patching
on my own, because my ethernet card is an ne2000.  I got the driver code
from Matt Welsh at Cornell.  Anyway, I set up the tcp code like I did for
0.98.5, applied to emergency patches to .99 posted by linus, did the
appropriate making and voila!  0.99 booted without a hitch. No inode errors,
no tcp errors, no nothing.  I even successfully recompiled ps and ps -U
worked fine.

However, xdm locks up my machine.  xdm was working fine on 0.98.5, and nothing
has changed with the xdm (or X, for that matter) stuff since then.  I can 
start X with startx just fine.  But xdm locks it up.  Once I was lucky
enough to get some errors in the xdm-errors.  Basically, it said 'hung in
XOpenDisplay (:0); aborting' and then 'cannot open display.'  Does anyone
know what my problem is here?  This is important to me since I have several
users, and xdm is their way to login and X is the environment of choice.  Do
I need to recompile the xdm source?  Do I have an old version of xdm?  I am
running XFREE86-1.1.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Jeff Little
operjsl@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: what about uucp working again???
Date: 12 Dec 1992 20:26:12 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

ianj@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Ian Justman ) writes:

>root@umibox.hanse.de writes:
>: After upgrading to pl6, I know have developed kind fo skill in rebooting - 
>: every time I want to use uucp (and this is my newsfeed, so once or twice per
>: day) it's going back to pl3, uucp'ing, and back to pl6.
>: This is somehow annoying, and I thought it was some dumb mistake I made
>: until I recently read that already pl5 broke the uucp stuff.

>pl6 breaks it too.

>: Even worse, I have by mistake deleted my mailpak, and such am not easily
>: able to recompile. I could of course pick it up again, but would be somehow
>: disappointed to see that the new binaries would still coredump.

>Not good.  Having the source code helps, but....

>: Now, is there a working uucp (+stuff) out there somewhere? Does recompiling
>: help?....

>For me, so far, even with the ever-so-highly-recommended "-fwritable-strings"
>flag as part of the CFLAGS in the Makefile, the answer is a very resounding
>"NO".  I've been testing the holy hell out of the uucico code with gdb and
>have found that it barfs on the sigaction() call in the usset_signal() fun-
>ction in sys1.c (hardlinked to sys1.unx).  At least I've gotten that far,
>but I don't know enough about the innards of the system (though I do have
>source code for same innards) or have any other source code which makes
>use of the sigaction() (that I know of) to rip apart and analyze.

>Hope this helps anyone who's been hacking away at UUCP.

>BTW, I still have _MY_ mailpak..  Shame on you for zapping your copy!  :-)
>-- 
>Born to void warranties!	ianj@ijpc.UUCP

The reason it barfs on sigaction, is that function is broke in the current
library release. I know at least one guy that has uucp running just fine under
pl6, with the emergency new libs.

James
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: peterw@archsci.arch.su.edu.au (Peter Williams )
Subject: Re: Interim release of 386bsd 0.1?
Reply-To: peterw@archsci.arch.su.edu.au
Organization: Design Computing Unit, Sydney University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:17:44 GMT

As far as I can determine this post has nothing to do with linux. Consequently, I am
at a loss to understand why you posted it to comp.os.linux.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: becker@super.org (Donald J. Becker)
Subject: WARNING -- don't open non-present serial ports under 0.99!
Organization: IDA Supercomputing Research Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:14:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.155632.22190@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>I have this serial port problem - I had one serial port in the machine, and
>when I strapped it for COM2 (/dev/ttys1), rebooted, then accessed /dev/ttys0,
>the system locked up.  Is this normal?  Shouldn't the driver have returned
>ENODEV?

Yes, I also noticed this last night -- the problem I used to have with
the alpha serial code has made its way into the distributed kernel!

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIED SERIAL PORT INSTALLED, YOUR MACHINE
WILL JUST STOP.

-- 
Donald Becker				       becker@super.org
Supercomputing Research Center
17100 Science Drive, Bowie MD 21114		   301-805-7482
From: glenn@cs.utexas.edu (Glenn G. Lai)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: How Do You Install SLS on a SCSI Disk with an ST01 Controller?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 13:07:35 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

I grabbed the package last night, and upon booting from a1, I got the
following messages:

	. . .
	scsi : 1 hosts.
	  Vendor:CDC	Model:94211-5	Rev:629
	Type: Direct-Access	ANSI SCSI revision: 01
	sd0 at scis2, id0, lu0 :
	scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk 0 tapes 0 CD-ROM drives total.
	Memory: 6764k/8192k available (376k kernel, 384k reserved, 668k data)
	Floppy drive(s); fd0 is 1.44M, fd1 is 1.2M
	sock_init: initializing family 1 (AF_UNIX)
	SCSI host 2 timed out - aborting command

then it hung and the light on the CDC disk wouldn't go off.  Any ideas on how
to fix this?


Glenn
glenn@cs.utexas.edu
From: rbraun@spdcc.com (Rich Braun)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: starting dosemu ?
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:34:20 GMT
Organization: Jupiter Technology Inc., Waltham MA

mjc@baker.ds.boeing.com (Mark Crosland) writes:
>i am having a problem getting dosemu to work, i have SLS 98.p5

>general protection
> cs    eip     ss    esp      flags    ds   es   fs   gs 
>   0:00000000    0:00000000 00000000    0    0    0    0
>  eax      ebx      ecx      edx      edi      esi      ebp
>00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 
> e8 5b 02 00 00 b8 2d 00 00 00

Apparently a lot of people see this problem, and a lot of others don't.
In emu.c, I patched the line of code right before the switch on interrupt
type, checking the pointer to see if it's null.  If so, then I just
had it return (right now I'm typing this under DOS so I can't pop over
see the exact code change).  Suffice it to say there are still some kinks
in the DOS emulator code.

The rest of the instructions should be easy to follow, once you get the
A> prompt.  Only trouble is, there are *very* few DOS programs you can
actually run at this point.  I'm happy to see there are people working
on it, but please don't expect too much right away:  dosemu is a work in
progress.

-rich
From: Jeff-Randall@uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 0.99 problem
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:41:03 GMT
Reply-To: Jeff-Randall@uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall)
Organization: The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
X-Aka: Upholder

agc@weasel.demon.co.uk (Alan Charlton) writes:
>I upgraded to 0.99 with no problems at all, I'm using 2 extfs partitions
>and yesterday I recompiled the admutils.  Now when I do a shutdown or reboot
>I get an error message saying 'can't umount /dev/hda1:  device or resource bus
>(hda1 is my /usr partition).

>Does anyone have an idea as to what I've done wrong?


10 to 1 you're now running crond or the TCP daemons (inted, named, etc)
which have a working directory somewhere in /usr. (/usr/spool/cron/crontabs
or /usr/etc/inet respectively)

In order to unmount the partition, you cannot have any files accessing
it... kill the dameons off and try unmounting it manually.  

(Although, if it's just a problem at shutdown, it should not be a significant
problem, as long as the filesystems is sync'ed, there is no reason that the
filesystem has to be unmounted... you should be able to safely ignore
the warning).

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From: crosby@cs.utexas.edu (Crosby M. Marks)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X on a Zenith
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:31:36 GMT
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X on a Zenith
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Keywords: 

I am running linux on a 486sx 25.  It is a Zenith machine with the ZDS
graphics card.  Is there anyway to get X up and running on this platform
with out buying a new VGA board?  

Crosby.


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From: bantolph@carina.unm.edu (Bonks Kill Nerds!)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: rawread?
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:03:36 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I need to make an image of a Linux disk from dos. What I need is something
the opposite of rawrite that reads each sector of the disk and writes it
to a file which can than be written back to a floppy using rawrite.

Does anything like this exist? If so what is it and where can I get it.


Thanks,

bantolph@carina.unm.edu
From: Michael_Kraehe@hb.maus.de (Michael Kraehe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: TCPIP-config
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:35:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

Hy folks,

I think config is a bad name for that tool, after a find -name config
i fount 3 executabels and 2 other files.

Wy dont we name it ifconfig or sock_config, to avoid naming conflicts with
BSD.

By Michael.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ianj@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Ian Justman )
Subject: Re: what about uucp working again???
Organization: Citrus Grove Public Access ( 916 ) 381-5822    Sacramento CA.  USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:55:38 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

root@umibox.hanse.de writes:
: After upgrading to pl6, I know have developed kind fo skill in rebooting - 
: every time I want to use uucp (and this is my newsfeed, so once or twice per
: day) it's going back to pl3, uucp'ing, and back to pl6.
: This is somehow annoying, and I thought it was some dumb mistake I made
: until I recently read that already pl5 broke the uucp stuff.

pl6 breaks it too.

: Even worse, I have by mistake deleted my mailpak, and such am not easily
: able to recompile. I could of course pick it up again, but would be somehow
: disappointed to see that the new binaries would still coredump.

Not good.  Having the source code helps, but....

: Now, is there a working uucp (+stuff) out there somewhere? Does recompiling
: help?....

For me, so far, even with the ever-so-highly-recommended "-fwritable-strings"
flag as part of the CFLAGS in the Makefile, the answer is a very resounding
"NO".  I've been testing the holy hell out of the uucico code with gdb and
have found that it barfs on the sigaction() call in the usset_signal() fun-
ction in sys1.c (hardlinked to sys1.unx).  At least I've gotten that far,
but I don't know enough about the innards of the system (though I do have
source code for same innards) or have any other source code which makes
use of the sigaction() (that I know of) to rip apart and analyze.

Hope this helps anyone who's been hacking away at UUCP.

BTW, I still have _MY_ mailpak..  Shame on you for zapping your copy!  :-)
-- 
Born to void warranties!	ianj@ijpc.UUCP
From: root@slave.uwe.ac.uk (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: DOCUMENTATION : state of?
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: p_copela@csd.uwe.ac.uk
Organization: The New University in the West of England, Bristol (WEB)

We all know that Christmas is coming up quick and the New year 
thereafter, Now I know that Linus wants desperately to shove version
1.0 out the door about this time to make Christmas rather a good time 
for all those who have now devoted upwards of 3000 hrs personal time
into linux.
	I'd like to know where the documentation stands on this. Fine,
most people who are given a program/application, immediately tear into
getting it to work without the manual but at some date they will fall 
back on the teachings of the manual. The Network manual that I'm 
writting will probably not show in it's full from until mid january 
when I come back aafter the break.
	Is there a collective site that all the documentation to date
is stored? I can find lots of it piece-meal strewn over 4-5 sites but
not as a collective whole

Phil
=--=
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: claussen@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Jens Claussen)
Subject: System V-Curses for Linux ?
Keywords: Curses C
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:28:42 GMT

Does there exist a port of a System V-compatible Curses for Linux?
It should support functions like keypad(), doupdate(), wnoutrefresh(), ...
and te ACS_... constants. Does anybody have a fitting libcurses.a or, 
even better, the source? 

Thanks

Jens Claussen

claussen@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: andrewc@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: [BUG REPORT] Partition get corrupt when floppy is accessed
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:44:00 GMT

tmpcms@eua.ericsson.se (Carl Michael Skoog) writes:

>I did an 'tar tvf /dev/fd0' last night (by mistake, I know about this bug),
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
???

What bug ?

I'm sure I did this a while ago once and it worked fine...

Would someone mind telling me what this bug is, before I do something nasty
to my system ?

Cos !

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.sys.laptops
From: hans@mo.hobby.nl (Hans Oey)
Subject: Re: [Q] Linux and Notebooks
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:08:46 GMT
Organization: Makkee & Oey
Keywords: Linux, notebooks

lma@dayton.Stanford.EDU (Larry Augustin) writes:

>Anyone worked/working on power management for notebooks?

Check how they implemented the power management on
the notebook before buying it. If they use the BIOS
and custom (DOS) software, you are out of luck unless
they give you enough technical info (which is rare).

My Compaq LTE seems to use dedicated hardware. Even
while running Linux, hotkey combinations to change
the clock speed and pop up little windows keep working.
I can suspend and restart the system anytime. Only
little problem is that Linux complains about unexpected
HD interrupts when the HD starts spinning again.
--
Hans Oey
hans@mo.hobby.nl
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hendrick@rachel.cs.andrews.edu (John Hendrickson)
Subject: IRC and c.o.l. traffic
Keywords: IRC
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:58:45 GMT

Greetings people,

I was browsing through the couple hundred messages here and a though crossed
my mind...  I help answer questions on the #linux channel on IRC and I 
thought that if alot more people out in the world that had access to IRC
could get on the #linux channel and ask there questions before posting
then to the world, it would save alot of repeated questions as well as
possibly get you an answer alot faster than this newsgroup.

So if you have not stopped by the #linux channel and have IRC access,
drop in and say HI.

John a.k.a. Turch on #linux

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From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal,35-016,8621267,)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Are there thdeadson Linux? (was Re: Any one compiled xtank?)
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:44:59 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Originator: uri@aixproj.watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

From article <BzIGyD.6vw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson):
> I was wondering if anyone compiled xtank on linux.  Im about to try myself
> and will let you know how it goes.

And I'd like to know, whether there is "libpthreads.a", or something
similar... [That would solve XTanks's problem as well :-]
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (Adams)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!  SCSI problem!
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:59:57 GMT
	<1gbcl8INN602@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1gd9h7INNard@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: TH-Darmstadt

In article <1gd9h7INNard@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kbj@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin B. Jacobs) writes:


>   Thanks for all the help people have given me through e-mail, but it 
>   still hasn't fixed the problem.  I tried telling fdisk my drive settings
>   were 64 heads, 32 sectors/track and XXX cylinders.  It didn't work.
>   I still get a partition table looking something like this when I do a 
>   "p" from the extended fdisk menu.  (its not the exact thing, but its the
>   general numbers)

You may NOT use any translated values, but MUST use the actual drive
geometry (that means: the actual number of heads/sides, the actual
number of sectors you will use per sector, the ACTUAL number of cylinders).

>   Any SCSI gurus out there, I'd really appreciate it if you got down off your
>   secluded hills and took a break from your medidation to help us morals out.

No guru, but got beside other systems Linux running from Adaptec 1542b
and a CDC WREN IV.

(BTW: The drive is properly terminated, you have assured yourself, haven't you.
Controller is properly setup, no conflicting DMA and IRQ requests, NONE?
Bus runs slow enough, 8MHz and not a cycle more..., you spent at least
two I/O wait cycles...., DID YOU)

best, adams
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: TO ALL THOSE WHO THINK THE VOLUME IN comp.os.linux IS TOO HIGH
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:21:01 GMT

tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:

>To all those who think the volume in comp.os.linux has gotten too high.
>(And I agree, although I think that splitting the group won't help
>things.)   I have a simple suggestion.

>Every time you see a message that is off-topic --- that is, the people
>are off flaming about whether or not Fortran is a dead language, or
>whether nor not Windows is a realm operating system, and so on --- each
>of you, send personal mail politely asking that person to take the
>discussion off comp.os.linux.


another way to do it is to quietly put the subject in your newsreader's
kill file if you're reading news rather than getting a mailing list...

-- 
          Vince Skahan				vince@halcyon.com (here)
    vince@atc.boeing.com (work)		    vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (home)
             *** Oxymoron of the day - "decision in progress" ***
From: dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Suggest inclusion of the QIC-02 driver
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:18:02 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

I second inclusion of the QIC-02 driver!

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From: mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How stable is extended filesystem?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:55:55 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Keywords: extfs


In article <1992Dec15.232106.24407@tc.cornell.edu>
kutcha@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Phillip Rzewski) writes:
>
> On a related topic, if I decide to go all 213 megs Linux, I'll still
> have some space left over on my other hard drive (the 55 megs I'm
> using now). Would you suggest going extfs with that too, or keeping
> some as the old style? Reasons?

I've only been using Linux for two days.  I've installed it on a 300MB
"extended" partition.  Half of one of those days was spent reinstalling
after it barfed on my disk.

If you don't *need* extfs, and don't mind short file names, I would
recommend not using it for now.

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From: ghod@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Problem with xv + X386 mono
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:09:36 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I was going to ask about this in a previous post, but it slipped my mind:

I downloaded the binary for xv version 2.21 for use under SLS 98pl5. The
program runs, but it fails to display images correctly. It seems as though the
image is divided into vertical columns and the columns are out of order.
The only images I've tried loading so far are GIFs and they all come out the
same way. I do believe this to be a problem with the way it displays images,
not in the way it reads them, for the following reason: when xv is invoked
without any arguments, it displays an image of what seems to be an XV logo,
and this image is distorted as well. 

I'm trying to run it under X386 1.1 (from SLS 98pl5) using the *MONOCHROME*
server. My system is a 386SX (16Mhz) with 4 meg RAM. X seems to work fine
otherwise. Does anyone have any idea what's wrong with xv? I have the compiler
installed, so if it's just a matter of re-compiling, someone please let
me know.

-Bill Paul

Assistant System Administrator
New Windsor Associates L.P.

ghod@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu   -or- ghod@drycas.bitnet