From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Pride goeth before the fall (and hopefully Jones Murphy will too)
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Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.231813.20024@cco.caltech.edu>, morphy@cco.caltech.edu (Jones Maxime Murphy) writes...
>casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
> 
>>>Nah, and miss trashing you clueless dodos? 
> 
>>Listen dudesicle, while you're counting beans all day, I'm studying the
>>fundamental forces of the universe here.  And since I get paid in Swiss Francs,
>>probably taking more to the bank on Friday too (at least for the moment) - get
>>the picture Holmes?
> 
>Probably not, old boy. You evidently don't know much about investment banking,
>do you. Well, at least you're consistent, if ignorant.

Did I forget to mention its all tax-free (and even legal) too?

>The fundamental forces of the universe I live in are greed and ethnocentrism,

Which I suppose makes you well-deserving of your self-proclaimed title as its
king ...

>not the ones carried by gluons, Z's, W's, photons or gravitons. Ethnic groups
>reign supreme over gauge groups, out here in the real world.

But since you say the interactions between social forces can be summed up in
one word, it sorta proves my point, doesn't it?

>>Gee, this is pretty weak Murphy.  I blast you and the best you can do is
>>"same to you buddy"?
> 
>No, but it's good enough for you. Why waste pearls on a swine?

Wow, pretty weak again Murphy.  Now I've got you plagiarizing your putdowns from
white-male authored manuals on racial exploitation like the Bible.  "I could
have insulted you, but I chose not to"... doesn't sound like the Jones Murphy
I know.

>>How shall we test this?  SAT scores? (naw, all contrived as part of the white
>>conspiracy)  Writing awards?  (naw, all the ones I've won were probably just
>>because of colonialism and slavery).  I guess the last one standing wins.
> 
>My SATs were perfect, kiddo. And you didn't have me to compete with when you 
>won those silly awards.

Tell us another one, kiddo.  Everyone knows the system is set up to keep the
black man down.  There's no way whitey would let you get a perfect score.

I bet you can probably walk on water and leap tall buildings in a single bound
too. 

>>Does it occur to you that the more you have to insist how brilliant and
>>articulate you are, the more it actually convinces people otherwise?
> 
>No, not at all, since I never have to insist.

[pause for the laughter to subside]

>It's crystal clear to the people who are at my rarefied stratum. One to
which, unfortunately, you cannot realistically aspire.:)

Now it _does_ all become "crystal clear"...rarefied stratum?...I get it:
YOU'RE HIGH ON DRUGS!  I should have realized sooner.

>>Wow.  I blasted you again, and this time, you just stood there and took it.  I
>>think you're headed for the canvas face first, champ.
> 
>Dream on. The only canvas I'm headed for is my hammock in back of my
>Caribbean house.

Is that where you grow that shit you're smoking?

>>Wow, so Africans have achieved nothing positive since colonialism.  I mean, at
>>least they produced _you_, right?
> 
>Unfortunately, I'm part Euro. But nobody's perfect, as you are all too
>painfully aware.

In your case, yes, extreme pain.

>>Of course, all the suffering and misery in Africa couldn't have anything to do
>>with adopting cockamamie Marxist ideology and economic policy, tinpot despots
>>living in palaces with fleets of Rolls Royces parked outside, endless tribal
>>warfare and ethnic animosity, and massive military spending.  No, it was all the
>>Europeans' fault. 
> 
>Yes, for raping countries dry, then tossing them aside with virtually no 
>infrastructure. A recipe for disaster with deadly consequences.

No actually, it was the Goths' fault for overrunning Europe and causing the dark
ages, no wait, it was the Huns fault for driving the Goths out of Asia, no wait
..  I could go on, but now I've got to go sue Henry Ford's heirs for that last
speeding ticket I got...

>>>>3) Western Europe.  Does this include nations like Switzerland, Sweden,
>>>>Poland, etc. who did not amass overseas colonies?  
>>> 
>>>Sweden did have overseas colonies.
> 
>>.. he says, ignoring the others like Switzerland and Germany who did not.
>>Sweden never colonized Africa or the Americas.  Maybe you mean the Vikings.
> 
>I said Sweden did have overseas colonies. I've refuted your entire argument.
>Germany colonized what is now Namibia. I don't know what they're teaching you
>kids these days.

Germany colonized Namibia, and Italy colonized Eritrea CENTURIES after
industrialization began.  You might as well have included the two world wars as
more evidence for your absurd statement that "slavery and colonialism were the
driving force for everything Western Europe achieved subsequent to their
commencement."  You don't even understand my argument, so how can you refute it?

>>"to say the least" ... "to say the least".  You got a stutter or something
>>Shakespeare?
> 
>You keep repeating my words. I graciously acknowledge that imitation is the 
>sincerest compliment.

I'm not imitating you, I'm mocking you and your claim to be eloquent.  If you
don't understand the difference, maybe I should use shorter words next time.
The reference to Shakespeare probably threw you...you have heard of him, haven't
you?  Maybe you thought I meant the reggae musician.

>>and achievements of half a continent can't be summed up in one sentence.  I'm
>>finally straightening you out.
> 
>Not one sentence, one word:criminal.

Wow, so everything in the history of Western Europe can be summed up in the word
criminal?  Sometimes you do a better job of making yourself look stupid than
I can ever dream of.

>>Yes, I suppose it is hard to say whether it was, oh 85% or 90% instead.
> 
>That's racist fantasizing. Prove it.

You're the expert in that department chief (see above).  I defer to you, since
you made the original counter-factual statement that most of modern medicine and
agricultural techniques were not developed by Europeans.

>>>It is much clearer that Europeans appropriated the fruit of other people's
>>>work, including their inventions.
> 
>>Yeah, and the Russians invented the automobile too.  Reality-check time dude.
> 
>Yes, and you've checked out into another dimension:The White-White Zone.

And you've been spending too much time listening to Al Sharpton.  Look bucko,
I may be slamming you mercilessly, but I'm not slamming you as a black person.
It's much easier and more PC to slam you as an idiot.  If all your vast
eloquence can come up with is to call me "honky" and toss racial slurs, why
don't you just acknowledge that you're simply an inarticulate, race-baiting Wall
Street larva with pretensions to an education, and take your show on the road?
You're full of about equal measures of hatred and BS.  There's enough racial
animosity around.  All you want is to make more.



Dave Casper                 "Ev'ry brother ain't a brother 'cos a black hand
CERN - Geneva                squeezed on Malcolm X the man."
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