HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:57:39 -0400
From: ramin@sura.net
To: status@sura.net
Subject: PBAC unreachble

08/29/92	PBAC unreachable.
15:30		Palm Beach Atlantic College is currently unreachable. No
		other sites are affected by this outage. Estimated
		uptime is unknown at this time.


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 09:37:37 -0400
From: "Merit Network Operations Center" <noc@merit.edu>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 09/04/92 ENSS 144  Ames Unreachable 09:20 - ? EDT

09/04/92 ENSS 144  Ames Unreachable 09:20 - ? EDT
Problem is currently unknown and is under investigation

Selina Priestley
Merit Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 11:19:32 -0400
From: K.A. Long <klong@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: FSU><TAU up


08/26/92	The circuit between Florida State University
10:30		is back up and routing is back to normal.


Kim Long
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:40:58 -0400
From: Youthana Sivali <youth@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: SURA12 Scheduled Maintanance





08/28/92 	SURA12 - The Sura-12 Proteon Router will be undergoing a
23:00		         maintanance procedure at 23:00 tonight (Friday)
                         to replace a problem ethercard on the router.
                         The procedure should take no more than 15 minutes.
                         During the 15 minutes, the following sites will
                         be unreachable


                UDEL- The University of Delaware in Newark, DE
                DPT - The Dupont Experimental Station site in Wilmington, DE
                FCCC- The Fox Chase Cancer Center site in Philadelphia, PA
                NAL - The National Agricultural Library site in Beltsville, MD





Youthana Sivali
SURAnet Operations
(301)982-3214


mail to: noc@sura.net
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
To: status@sura.net
Subject: NRAO up
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 16:43:34 -0400
From: "Roy Alcala" <ralcala@sura.net>



08/30/92	NRAO back up
 16:43		The National Radio Astronomy Observatory is back up.



Roy Alcala
SURAnet Operations
(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: kalex@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Ken Alexander)
Subject: Re: Having trouble finding that album? MUSE may be the answer
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: mi
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:51:13 GMT

In article <l9srjtINN5ms@cato.aa.ox.com> jih@cato.aa.ox.com (John I. Hritz) writes:
>	Our local truly amazing record store , Tower Records, has put in a
>touch screen based search system for records, CDs and tapes.  The system
>will search by  album titles, song titles, artist names as well as build
>discographies.  Entries for newer releases have a picture of the album cover
>to make finding it in the racks even easier.  The MUSE system even includes
>a printer to spit out hard copy of your finds. Using the machine is no charge.

Just so that people don't get TOO excited: this system only lists albums
that are currently part of _regular_Tower_USA_warehouse_stock_.
It doesn't even list most of the imports that are in that Tower store.
It only contains a small fraction of what is in print, even in the US. 
The hardcopy "in-print" books and CD catalogs are infinitely more complete.
All Muse really tells you is which albums *Tower* is willing and able
to special-order, and that's something that you could always find out by
looking at their printed list at the counter.  

Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: pmurphy@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Peter Murphy)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:40:38 GMT

In article <Btw7H8.G7F@ais.org> lcd@ais.org (Leon Dent) writes:
>One reason that there aren't 9600 bps modems at Wayne may be that it has
>only a 56k line connecting it to U-M.  This is according to a map I found
>on merit.edu in pub/maps/michnet.ip.92.7.ps
>

    Ahhhh, that's a _real_ old map.   Probably the main reason is that we
have problems getting funding, and it looks like 9600bps+ modems are
a great way to drive SCPs into the ground.  Odds are STRONG that the 
first wave of mid-speed (9.6-19.2) modems at WSU would be reserved for
WSU use anyway.  Our primary mission is, of course, to support our faculty,
students and staff.  The fact that we serve as SE Michigan's dialin is
gravy.


Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
Distribution: mi
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 07:54:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.212522.15647@terminator.cc.umich.edu> wes@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Wesley Craig) writes:
"In article <1992Aug28.092524.11105@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
">I too have some problems, only mine happen during UUCP connections to
">destroyer. In the last few days, Merit chokes up after about 10 minutes
">and dumps the connections.
"
"I think a number of people have had success connecting to destroyer
"with something like the following:
"
"	Which Host?destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu 540 TN=OFF
"
"If this works better for you, please post a follow-up.
"
"wes

It works better now my original way, but I'm glad that someone at 
Merit took my suggestion to create a method to put the TN command 
on the same line with the hostname. Sending BREAKS seems to be the
major problem. 
 
On a related note, I just finished a dialTB3K program - a dialer
for the Telebit T3000 under SCO XENIX (HDB UUCP). I tried the 
Merit V.32 modems in Dearborn (593-5335) and was reminded of 
the problems that I had even at 2400bps last year: There is some
of the most horrific line noise that I have ever seen. It took me
10 calls just to get one to connect.
 
Who is in charge of those modems? I'd like to let them know about
the problem so that they can call Michigan Bell. 

I'll let you know about the command and if it works.
From: jih@cato.aa.ox.com (John I. Hritz)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Having trouble finding that album? MUSE may be the answer
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:20:45 GMT
Organization: OTA Limited Partnership -- Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: mi
NNTP-Posting-Host: cato.aa.ox.com

	Our local truly amazing record store , Tower Records, has put in a
touch screen based search system for records, CDs and tapes.  The system
will search by  album titles, song titles, artist names as well as build
discographies.  Entries for newer releases have a picture of the album cover
to make finding it in the racks even easier.  The MUSE system even includes
a printer to spit out hard copy of your finds.  Using the machine is no
charge.
-- 
John Hritz, jih@ox.com                     Photons have mass!!??
O.T.A. Limited Partnership                    I didn't even know
101 N. Main, Suite 410                            they were Catholic...
Ann Arbor, MI 48104 (313) 930-1888
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:50:38 GMT

In article <89176@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> rrichter@link.ph.gmr.com (Roy
Richter PH/32) writes:

:|> ...If there isn't enough YES votes, ...
:
:How many are enough?  I'd say follow the usual USENET guidelines, that is,
:100 more "Yes" votes than "No" votes for it to pass.

<laughs>  You REALLY don't want another newsgroup, do you?

What I wonder is what good it will do.  Are employers not posting job
opportunities locally because they don't see a newsgroup spelled out
in black and white just for that purpose?  If that's the case, then
mi.jobs seems like a reasonable idea.  

Otherwise, we have enough distinct newsgroups for the traffic we
generate.  Now if someone were kind and resourceful enough to gateway
the more-active Fido regional newsgroups into Usenet...

						...Mike

-- 
 Michael J. O'Connor           |  Internet:  mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com
 Ford Motor Company, OPEO      |  UUCP:      ...!{backbone}!fmsrl7!mjo
 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
 Dearborn, MI  48121           |  Fax:       +1 (313) 323-6277
Newsgroups: mi.misc,mi.sun,mi.news
From: jrl@bgalli.mug.org (John Lodden)
Subject: Michigan User Group Monthly Meeting.
Summary: Time, place and topic of the next Michigan User Group meeting.
Organization: Bill's Home Machine
Distribution: mi
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:58:58 GMT

When:		Tuesday, September 1 @ 6:30PM

Where:		The Roman Forum
		41601 Ford Road
		Canton, Michigan

Presentation:	"UNIX: Is It Dead?"

    A special panel discussion, with guest speakers, on the operating
    systems that are competing for the workstation marketplace (e.g.,
    Windows/MS-DOS, Windows NT, MAC OS, UNIX System V, SCO UNIX).

Agenda:		6:30 -- Registration 
		7:15 -- Open the floor for questions and welcome the
			new people.  Take dinner orders and eat.
		8:15 -- User Group Business
			    a) The new president introduces himself.
			    b) New VP introduces himself
			    c) User Group Focus -- issues addressed.
		8:30 -- Presentation
		9:15 -- Answers to the questions 
		9:45 -- Open Forum

Cost:		$20 for the (optional) dinner.  Michigan User Group
		members receive a five dollar ($5.00) discount.

Next Month:	(Oct 6, 1992 @ Mama Mia Italian Restaurant in Livonia)

    The topic will be "Interoperability, a Live Demo".  There will be a
    discussion and demonstration of the interoperability of various UNIX
    and non-UNIX based computers using TCP/IP networks.  Should be a
    really fun meeting...


What is the Michigan User Group?

    The Michigan User Group helps bring UNIX/POSIX oriented profes-
    sionals together on a regular basis for mutual support and learning.
    Monthly dinner meetings, held at metro-area restaurants, feature
    expert speakers on UNIX/POSIX addressing topics which range from
    technical operating questions to more board-based issues such as
    vendor support and new product presentations.  A membership forum is
    provided via E-mail and through the "Message of the Month" (motm)
    newsletter, offering UNIX/POSIX news and ancillary information useful
    to the UNIX/POSIX community.


Directions:

    The Roman Forum is on Ford Road 1/2 mile west of I-275 at 41601 Ford
    Road in Canton on south side of Ford road.
    
    Phone: 313-981-2030


John Lodden
jrl@mug.org
From: jih@crane.aa.ox.com (John I. Hritz)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Re: Having trouble finding that album? MUSE may be the answer
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:48:53 GMT
Organization: OTA Limited Partnership, Ann Arbor MI 48104 USA
Distribution: mi
NNTP-Posting-Host: crane.aa.ox.com

In article <1992Aug29.065113.16465@zip.eecs.umich.edu> kalex@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Ken Alexander) writes:
>Just so that people don't get TOO excited: this system only lists albums
>that are currently part of _regular_Tower_USA_warehouse_stock_.
>It doesn't even list most of the imports that are in that Tower store.
>It only contains a small fraction of what is in print, even in the US. 
>The hardcopy "in-print" books and CD catalogs are infinitely more complete.
>All Muse really tells you is which albums *Tower* is willing and able
>to special-order, and that's something that you could always find out by
>looking at their printed list at the counter.  

	Although I have used the MUSE system in the local Tower (with great
satisfaction), the USA Today article on MUSE led me to believe that the
data was compiled by a third party not affiliated directly with Tower.  USA
Today is not the most reliable source of info, of course.  While it is
true that the Schwab CD book is a useful resource, it does not list all the
tracks on the album, nor does it list personnel, the MUSE system has all
the tracks and lists "notable" guest artists.  And for those that have not
been to Tower, __regular_Tower_USA_warehouse_stock_ covers a pretty
substantial amount of ground.   Think of it as the Borders of record stores.
The USA Today piece gave 80,000 albums as a rough estimate of the coverage of
the MUSE database.
	As you say, there are alternatives to this tool, and I would add that
helpful sales staff like those found at Schoolkids and Discount beat any
computer database.
-- 
John Hritz, jih@ox.com                     Photons have mass!!??
O.T.A. Limited Partnership                    I didn't even know
101 N. Main, Suite 410                            they were Catholic...
Ann Arbor, MI 48104 (313) 930-1888
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: liz@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Elizabeth Zaenger)
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:06:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.015651.26348@terminator.cc.umich.edu> bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:
>In article <17gf2bINNg7j@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>>the mi.* group creation ritual appears to be "convince the mi sites to
>>carry the group".  we'll see what happens....
>
>We'd carry it [mi.jobs] . . .

We'd carry it too.  We will carry anything (that we don't have to explicitly pay
money for...) 

But Im curious--are there people out there who read *some* mi groups, but not
all?   (Even worse, are there some sites that only carry selected mi groups?)
I read any mi postings, so I dont really care if there is an mi.jobs or not...
(But I do like the recent postings that Ed has made about local jobs!)
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:03:57 GMT
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute

chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers) writes:

>>Which Fido echoes would be appropriate for a gateway?

 . . . some discussion ensued . . .

>Dang!  Exactly what we want!  I suggest we gate Tom's group as mi.fido.jobs
>and forget about a separate mi.jobs.  If anyone wants to post jobs and not
>let local fido users read them, they can put them in mi.misc.

Over time the distinctions between the various transport networks
breaks down more and more.  I would much rather see any gatewayed
groups avoid putting `fido' as part of the name.  If there is a
reasonable amount of traffic in the fido group and if those jobs
are primarily of interest to computing types, a mi.jobs <-> fido
job list gateway would be most appropriate.

In the more general case, if there are other Michigan-oriented fido
things which someone thinks should be gatewayed, let's hear about
them.  Meg?
-- 
Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:07:48 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

if you want to look at the AANET collection of fido echoes you can dial up
665-5927, the Snowshoe Consulting BBS, and read them through on the first
call.   There's half a dozen local Fido echoes there.

My sense from looking at them is that there's more activity on Usenet than
there is on that part of Fidonet, at least as far as jobs stuff goes.  The
rest of the local Fido groups go to seven or eight sites (mi.* hits a few
dozen, maybe fifty?).  I'm not sure how echomail is routed out of the
local Fido sites, if there's a Usenet/Fido merger or at least swapping of
groups to be had I'd say mail might be a better first priority.

--Ed
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:14:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1992Aug30.153801.18561@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>They get money from Merit (not alot) to provide certain services to
>the public. I paid a HELL of a lot of single business tax last year
>as well as state personal income tax, so I'm only asking for what I
>paid for. 

Just because you pay taxes doesn't give you the right to demand that
all tax-funded services be open to the public, any more than I can use
the fact that I pay federal income tax (quite a bit of it, IMHO) as
justification for why the federal government should provide me with an
M1A1 tank at no charge.  The fact that WSU gets money from Merit to
provide services to the general public holds a bit more water, but not
that much more.  I'm sure that WSU is not all that happy about someone
taking up lots of bandwidth on their dialins so they can take the
information thus gained and resell it to the general public for a
profit.  Other organizations providing this service (MSEN, for
example) have a leased line to some commercial Internet provider (such
as PSI, in this case) over which they transmit their news.  They don't
suckle off a university.

>I wasn't demanding either, just criticizing. 

Call it what you like.  A complaint by any other name smells as vile.

>What "behavior" are you talking about. We provide many services to 
>the public (news feeds for a token fee only, USENET access for a 
>token fee, a 6gb  archive of PD software and other files available
>by anonymous UUCP, etc, and the list goes on). Is this the "behavior"
>that you criticize?? Or are you one of those idiots who still beleives
>the b.s. that other people say on the net.

Uh, right.  I was thinking more along the lines of using mainstream
Usenet to further your commercial interestes, causing netnews
connectivity in Michigan to get a lot more difficult by threatening
the UofM with lawsuits, expecting to get commercial-grade service on
something you aren't paying a red cent for, and so forth.

You may claim it's "B.S. on the net" -- me, I've heard the stories
about you from people inside the UofM who had direct contact.


>mister. You had better explain what "behavior" you are talking about, 
>otherwise we'll all know that you're just another one of those 
>assholes.

Funniest line I've heard all day.  If I'm "another one of those
assholes," then I will add that I'm honored to be considered a member
of their elite club.  I'd rather be an asshole than the kind of saint
you seem to be.

>I have tried and they said no. I had a rack of 12 Telebit T3000's
>that I (my now-defunct business) was going to donate. They said
>"no thank you".

Well, that's unfortunate.  However, knowing you there was probably a
string attached somewhere.

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
From: rrichter@link.ph.gmr.com (Roy Richter PH/32)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Re: call for discussion: mi.jobs
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:46:24 GMT
Organization: GM Research and Environmental Staff

In article <17gf2bINNg7j@nigel.msen.com>, emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
|> this is a call for discussion for mi.jobs.

No! No more groups!

Now that that is out of the way, what about mi.wanted for the traffic?
Given the message frequency in mi.*, I'd think that only one group,
say mi.misc, is warranted.  That's where most of the articles go, anyways.
--
Roy Richter                  Internet: rrichter@ph.gmr.com
Physics Dept, GM Research    UUCP:     rphroy!rrichter
        and Environmental
Newsgroups: mi.misc,ou.general
From: jjbaron@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: Is Sterling Heiths Merit node really V.32?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: mi
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.131341.17268@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bbesler@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Brent H. Besler) writes:
>I noticed in the June '92 Merit newsletter that the Michnet node in SH
>now had 9600 baud v.32 modems.  Is this true or a misprint?
>

It must be a misprint because I've have a 9600 v.32 and call that 
node all the time (939-3370) and I've never been able to connect 
any higher than 2400, though I've tried many times.

Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:20:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

	A number of possible causes exist for this problem, starting with
you software and extending to both your hardware and Merit's.

	It isn't uncommon for a system to "freeze" in this manner and simply
send a message to your software that "it's busy - hold all data." A heavy
load on the system you are calling (are you calling during peak hours),
resulting in heavy cpu loads will result in that by itself. When this DOES
occur, of course, your modem will appear to "freeze up."

	If you have an external modem, the next time the problem occurs
watch the RD light and see if you receive a signal from the system just
before your software sends the contents of the keyboard buffer. If so, then
the problem is in the cpu load (or a similar problem) at the other end.

	Similarly, if you have no problem when calling bbs systems or other
services, etc. then the problem is NOT in your hardware.

	Finally, you might consider getting rid of the Kermit software you
are using and obtaining a decent communications package. The best package
available is a shareware product called TeleMate (ver. 3.10 is the current
release), which is multitasking, user friendly, and well supported. (I
assume you use a pc compatible). It DOES have Kermit protocol available if
you need it, and is available from SIMTEL (in PD1:<MSDOS.MODEM> as
TM310-1.ZIP, TM310-2.ZIP, and TM310-3.ZIP) and other sites via anonymous ftp
(if you don't have ftp available, let me know and I'll uuencode the files
and email them to you). By using a sound software package you will eliminate
one potential problem link in your system.

	Hope it helps.


-- 
    rick.adams on GEnie   /|\        You are right from your side,        
     adamsr@netcom.com  /  |  \        And I am right from mine.          
    adamsr@irie.ais.org \ /|\ /  We're both just one too many mornings,   
   adamsr@norwich.bitnet  \|/  And a thousand miles behind. (c Bob Dylan) 
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jon Zeeff)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:09:35 GMT

>WSU use anyway.  Our primary mission is, of course, to support our faculty,
>students and staff.  The fact that we serve as SE Michigan's dialin is
>gravy.

Perhaps the non faculty, student, staff SE michigan users are willing 
to assist in supporting your modem pool.  It sounds like you need a 
terminal server (to avoid overloading a scp), some fast modems, and 
some phone lines.  There might be a mutually beneficial arrangement 
that would supply additional lines for your users and still benefit 
users wishing to access other MichNet sites.  

-- 
Jon Zeeff   NIC handle JZ   jon@ais.org  zeeff@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: wes@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Wesley Craig)
Subject: Re: My damn modem (or Merit's damn connection)
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: mi
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:25:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.092524.11105@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>I too have some problems, only mine happen during UUCP connections to
>destroyer. In the last few days, Merit chokes up after about 10 minutes
>and dumps the connections.

I think a number of people have had success connecting to destroyer
with something like the following:

	Which Host?destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu 540 TN=OFF

If this works better for you, please post a follow-up.

wes
Newsgroups: mi.misc