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From: menoche@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Charles Paul Menoche)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Nancy Griffith tune...
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:34:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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I've not followed all of the posts so far, but I don't think that anyone
has pointed out that although the Late night boy line in the Nancy Griffith
tune is about Dylan, the rest of the song is actually about Phil Ochs  ..
As is the Harry Chapin song.. "The Parade's still Passing By."  Anyone who
does not know Phil Ochs and his music, should check out some of CD compilation
reissues and the biography "DEATH OF A REBEL"...
best
cpm
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: brummer@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Charlie Brummer)
Subject: Re: vert important (please read)
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:44:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.004511.16482@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> chicken@maria.wustl.edu writes:
>
>It apears that the National Forest service will in the next few days or weeks
>post new regulations which are aimed at preventing the Rainbow Family from
>gathering.  If you are intertesed in stop these regualtion from going into effect
>please drop me e-mail and I will forward copies of the letters, etc about this
>topic. I also want to add that though these regulation directly effect the 
>Rainbow gatherings. The regulations consern Freedom of Speech, Region, 
>Assembly, etc.  And if these regulations are successful it would futher erode our
>consitional rights.
>Thanks 
>In the Spirit,
>Chicken
>chicken@maria.wustl.edu
>

Sorry to bum you out, but what is the connection with Dylan????

Charlie
From: robo@oregon.uoregon.edu (O'Neill, Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: I'm Waiting for the Band
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:27:43 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: robo.uoregon.edu

In article <1993Jan28.085342.22445@prl.philips.nl> maes@prl.philips.nl (Maurice Maes) writes:

>In article <15271@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA> scsykes@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (scsykes) writes:
>>MNS103@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
>>: I find it astonishing how the Velvet Underground were not inducted into the
>>: Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame this year -- after having been nominated twice!
>>: Although every act voted in thus far is certainly deserving, the VU is
>>: undoubtedly one of the most important bands in rock history, one that did not
>>: have any precedent.  As a fan of Dylan, I look for authenticity and
>>: intelligence in rock 'n roll, and also vision.  The Velvets had all three,
>>: which unfortunately cannot be said of the Hall of Fame committee.  Rock critics
>>: write how it took the music world ten years to catch up with the VU.  I sure
>>: hope history doesn't repeat itself.

>Which reminds me, is there anyone out there who has VU or Lou Reed live tapes
>to trade? They are so very much harder to find than Dylan tapes :-(

>Still 20 days to wait...

>maurice

>-- 
>  +---------------------+ 
>  |    Maurice Maes     |    
>  | maes@prl.philips.nl |   
>  +---------------------+ 


>I would be willing to trade tapes of a Lou Reed show from his recent "Magic 
and Loss" tour (from Italy), and an old live VU tape, for a tape of the 
Dylan/Neil Young 1988 bootleg I've been hearing about on the group...
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: an3243@anon.penet.fi (ben reitman)
Subject: songs about dylan -- bowie
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.music.dylan
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:39:09 GMT

someone wrote recently that dylan responded to bowie's hunky dory song w/
ballad of a thin man...yet didn't hwy 61 revisited come out *before*
hunky dory?!!!????!!!!

also, as for songs about bob, how about simon and garfunkel's "the boxer?"

when i left my home...no more than a boy...seeking out the poorer corners
where the ragged people go...bob in ny in the early 60's?

-ben
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From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Subject: Re: Boat name?
Followup-To: rec.music.dylan, alt.celebrity.yachts
Summary: Anyone know the real answer to this one?
Keywords: Talkin' Massacre Blues
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:18:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.204521.5978@scott.skidmore.edu> afishman@scott.skidmore.edu (adam fishman) writes:
>I know this question is nit-picky, but I must ask it.   Does anyone
>know the the name of Dylan's boat?  I've read in quite a few books and
>magazines that he has a yacht that he uses down in the Carribean.  I

Bear Mountain Picnic

Thought everyone knew that! Could it have any other name? :-)

Craig Jamieson
University of Cambridge


If you are in the Caribbean again it is kept at that seaport town 
called Canadee-I-O, forget which island that is, anyone know? It IS
recognisable with its tattooed sails, prominent bowline, harpoons
silhouetted by the sea, quite a magic swirling sort of vessel. Nearby
you will see the calypso singers laughing and the fishermen holding
flowers, and if you look in one of the portholes you will see where 
lovely mermaids flow. Nearby there are always houndogs baying upon
the beach and you might see the crew if they're all rowing home. The crew
often fills the beauty parlour of course. The mast does have a parking
ticket on it, but I doubt it is real. The registered captain goes by the
name of Kidd. If there is a storm you will find Mr Zimmerman himself
strapped to the mast, and if that time does come, you'll be seeing the
real him at last! 

Anything else you need to know about it?


                                                               :-)
From: pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Wayne Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Nanci Griffith song about Bob D.?
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:40:19 GMT
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island

In article <robo.28@oregon.uoregon.edu> robo@oregon.uoregon.edu (O'Neill, Rob) writes:
>On Nanci Griffith's album "Storms", she has a song called "Radio Fragile", 
>in which she refers to the "midnight boy from Minnesota"; I've often 
>wondered if it's a Bob D. reference; if you can, check it out and let me 
>know what you think (I'm a relative newcomer to the group, so this may have 
>been discussed before...)
>
>Rob O'Neill
>Univ. of Oregon

   The Tom Petty song, A Self Made Man from Let Me Up (I've Had Enough)
is about Bob in my opinion, as this album was done during the period they
toured together. David Bowie wrote an excellant song about Bob on his
Hunky Dory album. It was called Song For Bob Dylan. A very good song from
a very good album.

Wayne Francis
pgwfranc@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: afishman@scott.skidmore.edu (adam fishman)
Subject: Boat name?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:45:21 GMT

I know this question is nit-picky, but I must ask it.   Does anyone
know the the name of Dylan's boat?  I've read in quite a few books and
magazines that he has a yacht that he uses down in the Carribean.  I
was ther a couple weeks ago and it dawned on me that I just might see
his boat and not even realize it.  I seriousely doubt the name of it
has anything tpo do with his songs or lyrics.  Does anyone know?
Howabout a few suggestions?  Thanks in advance,
				Fish
From: scsykes@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (scsykes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Bob in DC
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:24:07 GMT
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

All things considered, I think it highly unlikely that any musician,
poet, writer or what have you would wish to speak to only those
audiences who already subscribe to those views held by the artist.
Music in particular, has great potential for carrying what is human
to far off shores - to those who might not otherwise be aware.

"Gotta Serve Somebody", for instance, is unlikely to have been
directed at theists. 

It would have been a great shame, to say the least, if Dylan had
never emerged from Greenwich Village, but rather remained playing
little folk covers in the coffee houses of New York City all his 
years.


-Jack
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: CSMSAXS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSAXS (Arnie Stodolsky))
Subject: Re: Non-US Bob Dylan albums
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:49:42 PST

In article <lm6tu1INNp73@news.bbn.com>, on 25 Jan 1993 05:16:49 GMT,
leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:

>
>
>I saw these albums in a store the other day.  They appear to be
>legitimate releases, but apparently non-US releases.  I didn't get
>chance to look at them very closely.  Does anyone have any more
>information about them?
>
>
>3) A Fool Such As I
>
I have a CD with this title and it is a UK import of Dylan #2 album.
Arnie
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: blind boy grunt a liberal?
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:14:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.152049.20763@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
>an3243@anon.penet.fi (ben reitman) writes:
><In a recent post, someone writes:
><seems to have reaffirmed that he's at heart a liberal democrat.
>< 
><in the 60's he was about exposing the hypocrisy of liberal democrats!!!
>
>bullshit
>                                        John Howells

the phil ochs song "Love me - I'm a Liberal" comes to mind here, as i
think that you are all correct to a degree.  (there is a rumour that
once enroute to somewhere, dylan had phil ochs thrown out of the car
because he couldnt stand him anymore.)  it is certainly evident that
there were many aspects of Liberals that really annoyed dylan.  in a
way, you could just listen to "Positively 4th Street" with that in
mind.  however, it is also true that he basically underneath supported
many of the broad ranges of Liberal ideas, if not their attempts to
make them happen.  (the Republicans are cruel, the Democrats, dumb.)
i think the song "My Back Pages" is another good one to keep in mind.
he never did think this country dealt with education very well ("20
years of schoolin an they put you on the day shift", "you've read all
of F.Scott Fitzgerald's books - you're very well-read - its well
known") more like it doesnt prepare you for reality - the street.
this wouldnt sit too well with a Liberal Democrat who believes that
education, perhaps beyond all reason, will eventually solve all our
social ills.  the earlier dylan liked Kennedy ("my friend, Bob - what
do we need to make this country grow?" "well, my friend John: Bridget
Bardot - Sophia Loren - Anita Ekberg - country'll grow...") and did
not like Goldwater ("- marry my daughter??  I wouldnt let him do it
for all the farms in Cuba!").  liberal to a degree, [he] want[s]
everybody to be free....

so you're both right (to a degree)

- nate
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: Mike Ezrine <chicken@maria.wustl.edu>
Subject: vert important (please read)
Reply-To: chicken@maria.wustl.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:45:11 GMT


It apears that the National Forest service will in the next few days or weeks
post new regulations which are aimed at preventing the Rainbow Family from
gathering.  If you are intertesed in stop these regualtion from going into effect
please drop me e-mail and I will forward copies of the letters, etc about this
topic. I also want to add that though these regulation directly effect the 
Rainbow gatherings. The regulations consern Freedom of Speech, Region, 
Assembly, etc.  And if these regulations are successful it would futher erode our
consitional rights.
Thanks 
In the Spirit,
Chicken
chicken@maria.wustl.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: jkaskey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jack Kaskey)
Subject: Looking for Radio City tape
Followup-To: rec.music.dylan
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:58:01 GMT

I know there are some Radio City Music hall tapes out there, but are they
all from the same show? I'm looking for one particularly amazing Bobbie D
show I saw in the fall/winter of '88.  He opened with a blistering
Subterranean Homesick Blues....

Jack Kaskey
jkaskey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: georger@utoday.com (George Rothe)
Subject: Re: Song about Bob?
Organization: UNIX Today!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:27:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.161617.13310@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ww0@bobcat.cis.ufl.edu writes:
>I was listening to the radio recently when I heard a song by Dire Straits called 
>"Walk of Life."  It occured to me that this song may be about Bob in some vague
>way.  I don't have the lyrics with me, so maybe someone can post them followed
>by some discussion of the merits (or demerits) of this proposal.
>After all, this song was written not long after Knopfler's experiences with Bob
>in the production of Infidels.
>

Going over the lyrics in my head...you might have something here.  but then
again I thought Eric Andersen's 'The Hustler' was about Dylan, not to mention
Joan Baez's 'Diamonds and Rust'...so what do i know?  :-)



Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: also@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Tapes from 78 & 81 tours.
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:54:28 PST
Organization: 
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bierman@npl.npl.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: max.u.washington.edu

Hi all,
      I just moved and while moving and organizing my tapes I realized that I
only have a couple of tapes from both the 78 world tour and the 81 Shot Of Love
tour.  I like the couple of tapes I have from these tours and would sure like
to get some more.  Anyone interested in helping me out?  Let me know and we can
get some trades set up.  

Later
Jeff Bierman
Bierman@npl.npl.washington.edu
Also@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: rmura@world.std.com (Ron Mura)
Subject: Inauguration
Organization: The World
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:39:25 GMT

I heard that Dylan did another song at a "blue-jeans only party"
during the inauguration.  Does anyone have more info?

Last night one of the sign-language interpreters was on the "Tonight
Show."  She mentioned how they couldn't sign Dylan's performance
and made a joke to this effect:

       For years the hearing people haven't been able to understand
       what Dylan was saying; now the deaf people can't either.
-- 
- Ron Mura, Boston, Massachusetts              rmura@world.std.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: afishman@scott.skidmore.edu (adam fishman)
Subject: Re: More Songs about Dylan
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:34:15 GMT

There is a song on the hard to find John Wesley Harding (the singer
not the Dylan album) CD, IT Happened One Night, called something like
"Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, David Blue, and Me."  Harding also has a song
called "Bastard Son", which begins, "Bob Dyaln is my father Joan Baez
is my mother, and I'm their bastard son ....."
	Fish
From: saf@hiwa61.com (saf)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: _At Budokan_ and the 1978 world tour
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 20:49:45 PST
Organization: Roving Gambler

John,

> Chances are that if you don't like what you've heard of the '78 tour,
> you probably never will. It's all a matter of taste, I guess, and I
> happen to think the '78 shows were outstanding, but I'd have a hard
> time convincing anyone of that, especially if they think well-rehearsed

You've convinced me!  I definitely think that there are a number of
better shows from '78 then the one they chose to release.

> music is nothing more than "Vegas". I also like some of the more recent
> "sloppy" shows too. All just IMHO.

I don't think that the "Vegas" thing was just because of the slickness.
It was also the dress (sequin jump suits), the cute patter and the
hardest thing for me was when he put down the guitar and just sang.
Sequins, cute talk and no guitar reminded a lot of people of Neil
Diamond and the "fat" Elvis.

This doesn't mean that I think the accusations were fair.  Dylan has
received a lot of accusations during EVERY phase he has gone through.
The press has never liked that he would rather be "busy being born
than busy dying."

As for Clinton.  Lighten up, everyone.  He probably lost a drunken
bet.  I wouldn't read any more into it then when he played West
Point.  Remember what a big deal THAT was.  Now it seems pretty darn
harmless.  In a few years this will to.

steve
From: fenick1@husc8.harvard.edu (Sharon Fenick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Let It Be Me
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:39:16 GMT

I have a recording from somewhere of George Harrison and Jeff
Lynne doing a version of "Let It Be Me," the same song that's
on Self-Portrait (though George and Jeff do it two guitars/two
voices, and no orchestration).  Can anyone tell me if this was
written by Dylan, and if so if there's a less produced version
available somewhere, and if not, who else performs it?

E-mail to me, if you would, I just don't want to clutter the 
group.  

Thanks,

Sharon
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: rmura@world.std.com (Ron Mura)
Subject: CD for Inauguration; New IBM Service
Organization: The World
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:45:31 GMT

From the Bruce Springsteen mailing list:

>--To mark the inauguration of Bill Clinton, Warner Bros and Sony got together 
>and issued a limited run (20,000) of a cd called "American Reunion: A Musical 
>Celebration", which includes songs by Dylan, CSN, REM, and Bruce Springsteen.
>Bruce contributed Woody Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land" (Jonathan surmises 
>that it is probably the version which appears on LIVE/1975-85).


From the Al Stewart mailing list:

>For those fans who have waited patiently for rare CDs or
>CDs of recordings that labels just don't want to bother with,
>your wait may finally be coming to an end.
>
>>From the Seattle Times:
>
>   IBM announced a new CD-on-demand duplicating service, to be 
>   test marketed with Blockbuster Video, in which thousands of older
>   and special-interest albums stored digitally on computer hard drives
>   will be available for customers on "write-once" CDs.
>
>Thus, more Al Stewart may become available.

Hmmm... Could we someday ftp a file of last night's songs and transfer
them to CD?




-- 
- Ron Mura, Boston, Massachusetts              rmura@world.std.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: niese@fwi.uva.nl (Eddie Niese)
Subject: Re: Nanci Griffith song about Bob D.?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:21:05 GMT

>>David Bowie wrote an excellant song about Bob on his
>>Hunky Dory album. It was called Song For Bob Dylan. A very good song from
>>a very good album.
>>

Actaully it is a song AGAINST Bob Dylan saying he is too critical and to
pessimistic about the world.
Bob answered David Bowie in "Balled for a thin man".
"You know something's happening but you don't know what it is,
Do you? Mister Jones"

NOTE: Jones is the real name of David Bowie....

Eddie Niese.
(I like both Dylan and Bowie)
For those of you who are not familiar with Bowie: Listen to "Ziggy Stardust"!!

Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: tanona@scoman.enet.dec.com (Bill Tanona)
Subject: European Tour?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:18:17 GMT

          Does anyone out there know any dates for the upcoming
European tour?

	thanks,
		bill
From: m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu (michael denison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Song about Bob?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 02:44:14 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan20.161617.13310@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ww0@bobcat.cis.ufl.edu writes:
> I was listening to the radio recently when I heard a song by Dire Straits
> called "Walk of Life." It occured to me that this song may be about Bob
> in some vague way. I don't have the lyrics with me, so maybe someone..

It always seemed in my mind that this song was rather intuitively
about John Lennon, with some not-so-subtle references to his
_Rock'n'Roll_ album. At any rate, it's a nice catchy song with a
riff almost too annoying to suggest, "Play it again."

OBBOBC:

Anybody want to send me a tape of the MSG concert? I missed the
show, the tape tree, and most of the rest of the universe over the
last few months.
>Wayne


-- 
 "You know what they say about men with *large* vocabularies...."
michael d. denison                          m1d4783@tamsun.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: torb@mack.uit.no (Tor Berger)
Subject: Re: Non-US Bob Dylan albums
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:55:39 GMT

In article <lm6tu1INNp73@news.bbn.com>, leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:
|> 
|> 3) A Fool Such As I
|> 
|> 	This album I believe was from the early/mid 70s and seemed to
|> have otherwise unreleased songs on it.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 	Lee


This is the album 'Dylan'.

Tor Berger 
University of Tromsoe, Norway
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Subject: Re: Bob in DC [Actually Chimes lyrics]
Summary: For the mistreated mateless mother, the mistitled prostitute
Keywords: For the misdemeanor of law, chained and cheated by pursuit
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:20:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.175004.13806@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
>IO20816@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
><In article <9301201110.AA18352@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>,
><RCJ@AUTOMATION.UNIVERSITY-LIBRARY.CAMBRIDGE.AC.UK says:
><>This  is  from  a  rather  ancient  posting  to  rec.music.dylan,
><>attribution of posting long lost, sorry.
><>                  Chimes of Freedom        - Bob Dylan, circa.1963
><>                [as taken off the record, Another Side Of Bob Dylan)
><>               Far between sundown's finish and midnight's broken toe
>
><I have always wondered about this, when these  lyrics get posted, as to the
><word 'toe'.   To me, when I listen to the song, and from all of the
><other references to bells, and chimes, the obvious word for me here,
><was always 'toll'.  That's even what it sounds like, both on "Another Side"
><and Bruce's version (yeah I know that shouldn't be considered authoratative)
><.  Anyways, Bob has been known to use some, uh, shall we say, innovative
><imagery, but I really don't get any understanding of what 'midnight's broken
><toe' might mean?
>
>You are correct. The line is "midnight's broken toll".
>                                        John Howells


Darn! Oh darn! So it has nothing at all to do with stubbing your toe rather
hard in the dark. Darn. 

Just when I was going to post my twenty screen analysis of Chimes of Freedom 
from a toe-stubbing perspective interpretted as an anthem for chiropidists
everywhere, all over the world. Why are my interpretations always wrong? :-(

Craig Jamieson 
University of Cambridge 

Of course it could really be a song about a toll road, you know those
motorway pay booths where you toss your coins in and if it broke down
in the middle of the night...
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: jab@cs.brown.edu (James M. Borger)
Subject: Chimes interpretation
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:53:31 GMT

Regarding Bob singing 'Chimes' in DC...

I had always interpreted the last few lines (...for every hungup person in the
whole wide universe...) of the song as saying something along the lines of
helping people out is great, but we shouldn't get carried away.  Based on this
interpretation I think it's interesting that Dylan chose to sing it for Clinton. 
Any thoughts?

Jim Borger