From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Bush pardons....
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Dec 92 10:44:50 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:48:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.100820.404@hsh.com> , paul@hsh.com writes:
>> This country is founded on law....maintained on a foundation of law
>> and freedom. What Bush did was to circumvent the legal system. If
>> they were all innocent as they claim, than the truth would have
>> been evident in the facts or in a lack of hard evidence. However, it
>> has become increasingly clear that this hard evidence does exist.
>
>Before you get carried away on the emotional tide that is swamping all
good 
>liberals, perhaps you can provide a little perspective.

Oh let's see....first I'll thrash him with a good stereotyping...   :-/

>What laws had those
>six men been accused of breaking?

Lying to the congressional commitees, violating a congressional mandate,
....

>Hint: some of them aren't crimes at all. 

The last time I heard, perjury was a crime.
 
>Were ANY of the six accused of doing ANYthing illegal in connection with
the
>arms sales to Iran, or with getting that money to the Contras?

Yes, they are accused of selling arms to a country for which we had
national policies forbiding such a sale. They did so without any kind
of congressional approval.

>Hint: the
>answer is No.

Please prove your assertion that they did nothing illegal.

>But, to hear Walsh (and others) foaming at the mouth, that
>obviously doesn't matter at this point. Heads must be taken, hides must
be
>displayed on the wall. 

Oh, you mean Walsh the conservative Republican.... The next thing you'll
be telling me he was a liberal infiltrator.

>
>> What kind of message does this pardon send to our children. Does it
>> say "It's only a crime if you get caught"? Does it say "If your rich
>> and/or powerful enough you can get away with anything"? We should
>> be aware of the grave implications of actions like these to the
>> defining principles of our society.
>
>Oh, puh-leez. 

Gazoontite.

>The "message" being heard loud & clear is the one Congress is
>sending to any foolish (Republican) mortal who dares oppose them.

The message is that Congress will not allow the Executive branch to
violate the constitution. You know, that little document that defines
a system of checks and balances to keep arrogant individuals like
Ronald Reagan from doing anything he pleases....

>Their
>message is, don't cross us.  If you dare to disagree with our way of
running
>foreign policy, we will bury you.  Somewhere, sometime, you must have 
>committed SOME crime we can bury you with.

You don't get it do you....  Congress is 1/3 of our ELECTED federal
government
and has well defined responsibilities. One of them is to act as a check on
executive actions. Reagan had been arrogantly circumventing his
responsibility to inform Congress on many matters. With this particular
action he crossed the line.

Chew on this one Paul... If these guys were innocent, why were they
pardoned?

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




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