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From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Subject: Re: Venison Pot Roast
Organization: AT&T
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:56 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan21.105316.20790@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.090451.12045@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>   motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
> 
>>By the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't
>>able to hunt this year, I can tell you my table doesn't serve venison
>>as often as I might like!
> 
>It's legal to buy venison where you live?  I didn't think it was legal
>to buy venison anywhere in the US.
> 
>      -----------------------------------------------------
>Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
>cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
>(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
>(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"

Yes, it is legal.  I don't have to go to any black market dealers
or "score" any venison on a street corner!  ;-)

My local supplier is Czimer's meat, and he's been in the business
for years.  On my last visit, he had bear, lion, wild turkey, wild
goose, pheasant, rabbit, caribou, reindeer, and wild hog.  Most of
the stuff is very pricy, but you can get what you want.  He even
advertises in the local paper.  I picked up two dozen pheasant
drumsticks at .79 per pound, and after they soak in my special
teriaki sauce and slow cook over an applewood fire, I figure they
have a half-life of about 10 seconds during the superbowl.

I sure wish I could have stocked my freezer this year with some
nice venison, rabbit and pheasant.  I'm so tired of the limited
selection at the local grocery stores!
Ah, next year!

Mary Otto


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: galindo@sun.bcu.ubc.ca (Carlos Galindo)
Subject: Texas deer weight
Organization: Zoology, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:08:05 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hi, we would like to compare the live weights of Coues deer (Arizona
deer) and Texas deer.  Does anyone know a reference for liveweights of
TExas deer for different ages and sexes.

Thanks very much in advance

Carlos Galindo-Leal

Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: binnie@bragg.bio.purdue.edu
Subject: GSP_source?
Organization: Purdue University, Dept. of Biological Sciences
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:19:16 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I've been convinced that I want a GSP, and will be in the market in
the next few months.  By then I will be in Arizona.  Does anyone know
of a source for hunter-bred GSPs in the Southwest?  Thanks much.

			Al Binnie


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: hmueller@orca.tamu.edu (Hal Mueller)
Subject: Re: Venison Sale [was Venison Pot Roast]
Organization: Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries Sciences, Texas A&M University
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:07:12 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

It's legal to sell venison in Texas, and probably other states too.

The catch here is that it has to be farm-raised, not taken as game.

I've seen it for sale in health-food stores in Austin for some 
outrageous price (~ $10/pound for frozen burgers, I think).

-- 
Hal Mueller                     If guns are outlawed, only the government
hmueller@orca.tamu.edu          will have guns.


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:41:08 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robert_walton@NeXT.COM  
(Robert Walton) writes:
> 
> I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German  
> Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking  
> for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,  
> clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good  
> upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last  
> item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not  
> the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his  
> black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal  
> upland dog.
> 
> Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
> they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert
> 
> robert_walton@next.com
> 

	My father has a Brittany Spaniel who is an excellent dog. He
is absolutly wonderful around the house (I didn't particularly like
dogs before him). He is very smart, well trained, and has superb
behaivior. He sheds minimally. I would be hesitant about putting a dog
like this in an area where he wouldn't get a lot of running room, but
other than that I give Brittanys recommendation over anything else.
	He hunts mostly upland, but also retrieves. Brittanys are
usually close working dogs, but ours is a little too ambitious and
will occasionally flush birds for himself (he hunts mostly woodcock,
pheasant, and grouse). He is very good at going wherever the scent is
and follows hand and verbal signals well.  We haven't taken him duck
and goose hunting a lot yet, but he has done well so far.
	Provided you have the space and time for one, Brittanys are
excellent dogs. They are among the best around the house, and excel at
hunting upland game. They aren't the best breed for hunting in blinds,
but will perform adequately.

--
Robert Seymour				rseymour@reed.edu
Departments of Physics and Philosophy	(NeXTmail accepted)
Artificial Life Project			Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)	Portland, OR


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:45:40 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan25.074006.19429@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
  shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
 
>Speaking of labs... I plan on getting a dog in a couple of years and
>am strongly considering a black lab. What I want is a versitile dog
>that can be used on Upland birds, Rabbits and waterfowl as well as
>be an early warning system WRT the bad guys skulking outside. ;-)
>Am I on the right track with the lab?
 
*I* believe so.  Although rabbits aren't exactly their forte, my guess
is that since they work good at flushing birds, they would flush a
bunny as well.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: ses@hpfcls.fc.hp.com (Steve Speer)
Subject: Re: Venison Pot Roast
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:41:55 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

> >By the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >able to hunt this year, I can tell you my table doesn't serve venison
> >as often as I might like!
> >
> 
> Is this for real????  Can you actually sell your venison for that amount??
> Where are you at??  It is illegal to sell venison down here in SC. I think

The venison you buy in the stores or specialty restaurants is not
wild.  It is raised on increasingly popular game ranches.  You are
right in that wild game cannot be sold.  I just noticed another elk
ranch right here on the edge of Ft. Collins a few days ago.  They have
some scrawny bulls and several cows.  I wouldn't mind raising a few
just for kicks if I had space.

	-Steve


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:45:51 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan22.100641.25673@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
=  
= I'm certain Charlie will jump in here and answer your post too, but 1
= little item from a Lab person: don't judge the whole breed from 1
= person's dog.

Retriever, flushing dog, or pointing dog, I couldn't agree more
with this point.  All too often a person will see someone else's
dog and like (or dislike) it and will brand an entire breed with
the characteristics that he liked (or disliked) in that one
individual.

Certainly each breed shares certain characteristics--that's what
makes them a breed--but each individual within that breed is just
that--an individual.

Between breeds and individuals, there are lines.  Study your breed
(and line) of choice before you decide based on the nature of any
individual.

= Labs are fine upland bird dogs, but they aren't
= pointers - they're flushers.  Of course, a GSP might indeed be better
= suited for the type of hunting you do.   That is, unless you later
= decide to take up duck hunting  (*chris lightly jabs charlie in the ribs
= here!*).   ;-)

Ah! But see NAHVDA (as Charlie lightly jabs back :)!  Actually, I'm
not really in to NAHVDA--I have a hard enough time training for
adequate pointing behavior (the pointing's natural; the accompanying
manners are taught) without worrying about all that other stuff
(water work, tracking, fur & feather, ...).

[For those unfamiliar with NAHVDA, it is the North American
Versatile Hunting Dog Association.]

But then, sitting in an old, nasty, *COLD* duck blind is not my
favorite day afield, either.  :)


= >Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do
= >they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice
= >appreciated.
 
= A Lab is a Lab is a Lab.  Black, yellow, or chocolate.  Color has no
= bearing on temprament, hunting ability, shedding (although certain colors
= may show up more), or how good they are with kids.  Certain old wives
= tales may say otherwise, but they are wrong.

Yes!


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Subject: Re: Venison Pot Roast
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:07:47 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 Mary (?) said:

>y the way, venison sells for $8-$14 per pound here.  Since I wasn't
>able to hunt this year, I can tell you my table doesn't serve venison
>as often as I might like!
 
and Chris asked:

]It's legal to buy venison where you live?  I didn't think it was legal
]to buy venison anywhere in the US.


I think the law applies to the sale/purchase of native game taken
under our various game laws. I believe all the venison sold in this
country is farm-raised, here and abroad.  Anybody know different?
Quite a few restaurants offer venison these days--at least ritzy,
nouvelle, ladeedah types out here seem too--well, maybe that is too
disparaging--A down-to- earth restaurant in Mountain View, Caribbean
something-something, has had gator, pronghorn, and moose on the menu.
There is also a butcher in San Bruno who has a variety of venison
(broadly defined) available.

bws
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: lawsonj@morse.cns.vt.edu (John Lawson)
Subject: Suggestions for planning an elk hunt
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:19:46 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I am thinking of trying my hand at elk hunting in the fall of '93 or
'94. I would welcome any and all suggestions, hints, comments etc.
>from all you folks out there in netland. I hunt whitetail deer and
wild turkey here in Va. and have for 14 years but I realize elk are
for the most part a whole new ballgame. I would like to know things
like which state/s to hunt, guided/do-it-yourself hunts, archery/rifle
hunt and any and everything else you might could tell me. So would
some of you elk hunters out there please take pity on a complete
rookie and help me just a little bit. Thanks a bunch!

John Lawson
lawsonj@morse.cns.vt.edu


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: mrein3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Matt Rein #3)
Subject: German Short-haired Pointers
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:39:07 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

> 
> Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
> they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert
> 
> robert_walton@next.com
> 

My hunting partner picked up a shorthair about a year and a half ago
and has had nothing but good luck with the dog.  Last fall he was
fantastic on pheasants, stays close, and retreives the gaudy birds
when we connect.  He also works good in the grouse woods but he tends
to stray out a little farther for some reason.  I've also seen him
retreive ducks out of near freezing water!

My friend moved to Wyoming this past year and he claims Gib does well
with the chukars (sp) and sage hens.  (As a matter of fact he called
last night and did some more bragging about Gib after he talked me
into an elk hunt next fall... permits gotta be in by Feb. 1, $355 for
nonresidents) Last November while he was back here in MN to go deer
hunting I snuck out of work early and went pheasant hunting with him
and Gib.  There was a heavy (8+ inch) fresh snow and the walking was
really tough.  We stopped in one spot to rest and Gib kept walking
around this clump of weeds sniffing away.  At least 10 minutes later
he locked up on point!  Sure enough, out pops this big old rooster who
thought he had us fooled.

The next day we were in the woods with him partridge hunting.  He
stopped at the base of this tree and started looking around funny.
Well this partridge walked that far and then flew up into the tree
where he flushed while we were standing around with our hands in our
pockets wondering what was wrong with Gib.  (He wasn't pointing, just
standing there with this dumb look on his face.)

The only problem with the dog is that his hair is too short for MN.
He was dragging his unit around in the snow all day and looked very
uncomfortable at the end of the day.  He also shivers when he stops
for more than a minute.
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:46:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1993Jan26.084627.25854
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1jvvolINNeq1@rodan.UU.NET>
Tim Rigg <rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu> writes:
 
>In addition, obvious outdoors.* groups should be moved to that
>hierarchy.  Specially, rec.hunting should be moved.
 
>First, should the above groups be transfered to the rec.outdoors
>hierarchy?  As moderator of rec.hunting, I strongly support the
>renaming of rec.hunting.
 
I have no interest in engaging in the discussion, but if you support
it, I will vote for it when the CFV comes up.  Just let us know.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
Organization: NCSU
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:00 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:
>From: robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton)
>Subject: German Short-haired Pointers
>Date: 21 Jan 93 10:52:10 CST
>
>I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German  
>Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking  
>for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,  
>clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good  
>upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last  
>item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not  
>the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his  
>black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal  
>upland dog.
>
>Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
>they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Robert
>
>robert_walton@next.com


I have had a GSP for the past few years and think you have found your
breed.  There has been a bit of discussion on a thread titled "Vislas
or Better", or close to that.  I have a wife and two sons and the dog
is probably 80% family pet.  He is good natured with the kids and my
wife has been totally won over by his pleasant disposition.  I have
never had a dog that truly does not shed.  The GSP's sheding is
minimal, in my opinion.

My dog has proven to be a most adequate gun dog.  He has had no real
training except at my hand and still performs well enough.  I will,
without hesitation, replace this GSP with another.

Do keep in mind as you begin your search in earnest that parentage is
the key to a good dog from a good breed.  Be very careful.  It is
extremly important to have knowledge of both the sire and the dam.

Good luck.

DGA


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: gix@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Gix)
Subject: Re: NEED Animals Rights INFO
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:37:36 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan20.090259.11840@doug.cae.wisc.edu> romingk@pell3l0.alleg.edu (Karl Rominger) writes:
>Does anyone have any computer files on the AR movement.  Or maybe just tid  
>bits?  I am attempting to collect and corellate a large info base for  
>redistribution.  Thanks.  Together we can win this battle.

Well, the Northwest Animal Rights Network is my neighbor, and I'm a
member of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals).  What
sort of information are you looking for?  Looking to Join?


>Karl Rominger         Join the NRA.  They do more for hunting
>romingk@alleg.edu                    than you may know.


Peace,
--Brian

-- 
--Brian Gix                       Motorola
  gix@mdd.comm.mot.com            Mobile Data Division
  (206) 487-5894                  Seattle, WA
From: Godfrey de Shipbrook <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: The name Bloodaxe, fingers (was Re: Dennis v Terry, Rialto Rhinos, Oral
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:11:11 EST
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Gwenllian Cwmystwyth writes:
>
>  Yup.  You missed the original thread, all right. ;>  What we were
>  "discussing" (except that implies more than I was contributing) was
>  not whether or not Bloodaxe is a period name, but just why good ol'
>  Eric *got* that particular byname in the first place.

Ah, I see.

It *could* be from what he did after he was driven out of York.  
According to _Hakonar_saga_Goda_: 

        When he (Eirik) saw that he had no power to withstand
        Hakon's host, he sailed away west over seas with such 
        men as would follow him.  He went first to the Orkneys,
        and he got thence a great force of men; then he sailed
        south toward England and harried in Scotland wherever 
        he came to land.

It was for this reason that he earned the epithet `farbjodr Skota'
(destroyer of the Scots); perhaps `Blodox' was given for similar 
reasons, although of course this is just more conjecture.

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: ae766@yfn.ysu.edu (David Sanders)
Subject: Re:  Tattoos
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:21:45 GMT


Greetings to all, especially Luigsech ni hIfearnain, from Vajk!

Luigsech asks:

   >  A question came up this weekend regarding tattoos.  Does
   >  anyone know if they were used at all in our period?

Well, I am no expert, but I can say for certain that they were
indeed used in period.  I have seen references in histories of
sex and sexuality that tattoos have been used for millenia as
a means of attracting the opposite sex.  They have been used
by both men and women.

I can tell you that I have seen two, I think, histories of the
use of tattos, so I know they are out there, but I cannot give
bibliographic info.

There is a trading card set currently available of tattooed
women, but it goes back only to the 19th century.  (My interest
here is the women, not the tattoos   :^)

In short, yes, tattoos are period, but I cannot give details.
But I hope this will encourage you to continue looking for
documentation, and perhaps in the future you can write a 
TI article or CA on the subject  ??????

Vajk

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: moonman@camelot.bradley.edu (Craig Levin)
Subject: Re: Atmosphere?
Organization: House of the Moss Rose
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:29:03 GMT

If I may be allowed to append a note:

	One element of an event that truly aids in the creation of
atmosphere: musicians at an event. At the 20th `Festival of Maidens`,
there was a group of musicians-impromptu gathering or not-jamming on
the floor of the event hall. The music was so wonderful that it
distracted warriors from fighting, merchants from their wares, and
started toes tapping among even the most unmusical (me). Huzzah to
them for providing _real_ atmosphere!

--
"Rattan-jocks do it with bigger sticks" 
                   -SCA bumper sticker 
 
Craig Levin/Pedro de Alcazar, Illiton, MKdm moonman@camelot.bradley.edu