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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:23:45 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Yes, I do.  And I hope that someday those I love will be able to live
>with the freedom of knowing that companies aren't infringing upon your
>right to live,

  Might I suggest that the only way to guarantee this is to rely on
a system of individual rights, and by definition, capitalism.  After
all, we've seen how well socialism and community rights treats
the environment (E. Germany, Poland, Soviet Union).
 
>I believe that Global Warming _IS_ a huge problem, and we should throw
>large amounts of money into ANY legitimate research effort, ESPECIALLY

  Who is this "we".  The royal "we" perhaps?  I don't care if you
throw large amounts of YOUR money at a perceived problem, since YOU
believe it.  Just don't throw large amounts of MY money.  Very simple.

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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:40:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.064208.3478@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:

>: 	And if I remeber correctly the average temperature on Earth has
>: risen in the past year by at least .5 degrees F or 1 degree Celsius.
>
>You're kidding... I thought it was getting cooler...

	Sorry, I meant the past 100 years...

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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:38:56 GMT

In <C1FK08.Evx@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>   For the same reasons, an A1200 with '030 and '882 would likely be priced
>significantly lower than an A4000 with EC30.  First of all, such an A1200
>WOULD have lower production costs, as it would have a much smaller power
>supply, no backplane, one slot (a slot comaptible with the A1200's 
>underside slot, perhaps), a synchronous CPU design instead of a more
>expensive asynchronous design, etc.  All of this would add up to a fairly
>significant savings in production costs.  The differences would hardly be
>"none".  But the machine would likely be priced much lower still for
>marketing reasons: to fill the $1500 gap in the product line that I
>mentioned, and for image purposes (it would not due to have an unexpandable
>system and an expandable system priced too closely).

 Ahh, if that $1500 includes a color multisync monitor, 120 Meg HD, and 4
Megs of RAM... And the case looks as sleek and sexy as those new Mac
Performa's... sign me up!

 I don't much care about the '882, there isn't any software available on the
Amiga that I wish to use which would utilize this.  Make it an empty socket.

 In fact I'll buy one for everybody on the net!  <--- This being a safe bet,
cause Commodore will never make a system like this to compete with the rest
of the industry. :-)

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From: grubba@lysator.liu.se (Henrik Grubbstr|m)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:35:42 GMT

eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:

>BUT why is there no '.'?  I find myself cding to the destination directory, then
>including the full path in the copy command anyway, since there's no '.'.  (Well,
>I used to, now I use SKsh :)

Use the empty string.

cd Destination:
copy Source:File ""

Regards,

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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486 ?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Distribution: world, public
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:49:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.051529.20917@tdb.uu.se> m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes:
>Dave Butcher wrote:
>
>>Generally I don`t think there are enough difference between Falcon/AA Amigas/
>>486`s/Macs for it to pay anyone to change machine.  Most people I know who
>>use Amiga`s or Mac`s alot detest Windows after using it for a bit, and regular
>>Windows users hate the Mac and the Amiga.  What you are used to counts for a >lot,
>
>"Open Windows" is just fine with me, but I hate the Mac GUI and Windows,
>they are stupid, actually they are so stupid it's hard to tell which
>one is more stupid.

People are going off the deep end in this group. I use Mac's a lot, as well
as other computers. I don't "detest" Windows and since when have all the
Knuth's of the world surfaced in this group to call the Mac and Windows'
desktop metaphors "stupid". Also the word "hate" is simply inappropriate. 
The only effect messages like these is  having is in  conveying
the impression of Amiga users as a bunch of immature brats. The Amiga has a
lot going for it. So does the Mac, and despite the very real flaws of the PC,
Windows is not that awful. OS/2 is even nicer. A lot of people get a great
deal of benefit from the software base of the PC, and that is not something
to ignore.
 
I personally do not like the PC, and wish OS/2 would become predominant on 
that platform. It's not happening though, so one has to live within the 
constraints imposed by the hardware. People had a choice for a reasonably 
based PC hardware platform with the PS/2's MCA. They didn't go for it, 
preferring to pay less and suffer more( in configuring the crazy things).
 
In the final analysis, it's hard to imagine anyone with children not wanting
a PC or a Mac. The other platforms simply do not have any software for families
(and yes I have seen the latest Amazing Guide, which either has out of date
educational software or vapourware).
 
It might be a good idea for those people who want to see the Amiga thrive in
homes to give families a good reason for owning one. I can't think of one.

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:19:09 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
Distribution: world
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jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>There you go.  The problem with "goto", as I see it, is that it's too easy
>to operate it wrong.  

  Check out the treatment that "goto" receives from Harbison - Steele, a few
rules of thumb for use, but certainly much less complex than driving a car.

  Which millions of people with a broad spectrum of competence accomplish daily
without a hitch... ;-)

>You can't really compare it to an ordinary tool, because "goto" is one of 
>those things that can be used for EVERYTHING.  

  Nice try.  It's scope is limited to the function that it appears in.  That
alone drops it down a notch or two from the abilities it's BASIC cousin can
do.

>Remember, all you really need are "if" and "goto", but even C with its 
>minimalist attitude includes "while", "for", "do", etc.

  That can be said of most any sequentially executed language, so?

  -jack-
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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:07:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.053223.23394@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
 > So, for example, you can do 'rename Civilization ..' to move it back
 > one subdirectory level?

Nope - you have to write 'rename Civilization /' instead...  The Shell doesn't
recognize '..' - incidentally, is this a silly discussion (even for advocacy), or
is it just me?

 > Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

-Eyvind

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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Subject: Re: Amiga OS weaknesses
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:02:09 GMT
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In article <1jp172INNbdu@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@king.ac.uk (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>If I remember corectly a WB replacement called Jazzbench was multi-threaded.

Why, Vlod, what a kind introduction!  :)
The check is in the mail :)

Strictly speaking, it was a set of programs that communicated via IPCPorts.
The processing was split between several tasks, so that window refreshes
and disk access happened simultaneously.  We all remember 1.3 when THAT
wasn't around, don't we :(

>It was a bit buggy tho.! ;-)

Hey, cut me slack, it was my first C program (outside of my first CS
C class, anyway).  And you're wrong anyway -- it was VERY buggy ;)
Developed on a blazing A500 with 3megs of memory and (sometimes) two
floppies, though often only one.  Ah, those were the days....

>Any news when Jazzbench 2 ? will be out? Lets hope its WB2 drop in and
>not 1.3.

First the good news, I'm not developing 1.3 apps anymore.  Now the bad news,
I've got a job ;).
I would VERY much like to have a Jazzbench 2.0 (probably with source
available for a shareware fee or something like that), the problem is
that between my job here and my parttime AMIGA work on data acquisition
and analysis software....

Amusingly enough, the D.A.A.S. work I'm doing is all based on the kernel
that I originally wrote for Jazzbench -- SHADOW.  In fact, the source for
SHADOW is located in work:jazzbench/kernel.  A discussion I was having with
another user of ppIPC led to this part-time work I have now (due to a demo
I brought up in two days or so, actually ;) ).

Continued work on this software, particularly on the disk read/write
routines, and later on the GUI routines will give me that many more
objects to draw on when I finally sit down and write Jazzbench 2.0.

Which will happen.  Someday.  I hope.  :)

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
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From: akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein were sent to me telepathically
              by Elvis from Mars.
Reply-To: akerman@qucis.queensu.ca (Richard Akerman)
Organization: None
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:50:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.234328.2195@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>In article <C1FGos.4uo@unccsun.uncc.edu>, msmcknig@unccsun.uncc.edu (Michael S McKnight) writes:
>>Why in the world is Commodore making all of their new machines with the EC
>> chips instead of the full blown versions?
>
>My 4000 has a full 040 in it, but I have likewise heard that there are
>EC040 versions in europe.

Maybe you're thinking of the EEC version? :)
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:10:37 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <C14FK5.JFw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>In article <10514@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>Minor correction: Commodore started even earlier as a typewriter repair
>>company. Later they had mechanical desktop calculators, then pocket
>>calculators and LED watches, then the KIM, then (ta-dah!) the PET,
>
>What was KIM?  I don't remember that.

It was a singleboard with hex keyboard and hex LED display. One of the first
devices making the 6502 popular to the general public. It was developed by
Chuck Peddle who later also made the PET.

>>the CBM's, VIC20, C64, PC 10, Amiga. (Anything missed?)
>
>Oh gheeze, only the C16, Plus 4, SX64 and the other failures.  :)
>
>Oh, and the 128.  :)

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I must have concentrated on those which had direct
impact on my own life :-).

Little story along this: When I joined Commodore in early 1984, my new
colleagues told me: "Forget C64, look here we have the prototypes of his
successor, the C16!!!" Hmm, wrong they were...

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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:54:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.162023.19198@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Sure it would.   OS/2's HPFS allows for 255-char. filename, directories longer 
>than the one you cited. Without have to resort to underscores, I'd just
>use SPACES.  But then again, you Amigans would not KNOW about such 
>trivial niceties, would you???    8)

Once again, you prove your ignorance.  Amigas can use spaces in filenames
just fine, you only must surround the name with quotes.

>OS/2, the OS we WERE talking about, doens't have any 640K barrier.  And
>what does it say for Amigas that MSDOS can run some better applications than
>an Amiga with NO 640K barrier.  Right, that there is the ol' Amiaa 
>'I might not have a hard drive or more than a meg, anyway' barrier.  Note:
>YOU sure don't point things like this out, ad nauseum.

You're losing it Dan, that last paragraph makes no sense.

>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu


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From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:56:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.171744.19337@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>  
tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>While it appears that the machine remains rather elusive, the February issue
>of Byte offers a review of the Falcon in the article entitled "Falcon030
>Leads the Pack" (p. 58).
It was at Comdex in November.  Nobody knew about it, since the only one I saw  
was at the Motorolla booth, and it was sitting right next to an A4000.
-Joe Solinsky
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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:26:06 GMT

In article <+kk3f4=@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.004431.1490@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>|> >>That makes me believe that Amiga owners actually _chose_ to buy to an
>|> >>Amiga, and not follow the other lemmings. I know some of the stuff you have
>|> >>that I don't. Some of it I couldn't care less for, some of it would be
>|> >>interesting to have. Some of it get ported anyway.
>|> 
>|> It could not be that Amiga users cannot afford to _not_ be familiar with PCs?
>
>For some, that's completely true. Some Amiga owners make their livings knowing
>what goes on in the PC world, and that's OK. Some of them, like me, use just
>about every computer BUT the PC - Amigas because I want to, MACs because I
>have to, and UNIX workstations... well, because they're kinda neet and REALLY
>kick-ass powerful.

Wouldn't it be nice when some of these multiplatform OSes are feasible so that 
porting all these apps to different platforms would be trivial?

>I'd say it's more that we can't HELP knowing what goes on - I'm surrounded by
>PC users, all dying to show off the raytraced, 20 meg intro to the game they
>just pirated - one they'll delete right afterward and never even PLAY!

Oh come on, I've got some of the best PC games available, none pirated.

And the intro to Ultima Underworld isn't THAT big.  But still really
nifty.

>*SIGH*

Wel, I don't play games much at all during the school year.  But
this last break I was always either Net.Accessing or
playing.... <insert multitudes of games previously mentioned>

>|> > __/// ibennett@camaro.uucp  ibennett@nyx.cs.du.edu
>=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:45:55 GMT
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Hurrah!  Someone _ELSE_ who likes the SuperSPARCs!  I thought I was
the only one outside of Sun.  :)

I think its going to be a very long race for the SuperSPARCs.  By
including so much of the logic necessary for a good parallel
architecture right onto the chip, they've gone a long way into making
"a faster machine?  Just plug in another processor" a reality.  :)

Greg

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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:22:21 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Actually, I do that because it's a pain to have to type out "Amiga enthusiast"
>every time.  Also, don't you think that things like "PClown", "PC Lemming",
>etc., are at least equally insulting?  The fact that you blast only me for it
>once again shows your bias.

Insults go both ways Jerry.  The first mention of computer "Lemmings" was
by a certain OS/2 advocate (who shall remain nameless :-), who called
Amiga owners "Commodore Lemmings".  Perhaps you should follow both sides
of the arguments in future?

	Mark

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 16:44:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan27.154915.1814@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

>Like it or not, an S3 coprocessor blows away the AGA when it comes to speed.
>On the other hand, the AGA has capabilities which S3-based SVGAs lack.

I was just reading in Infoworld in the column by Steve Gibson that local
video is no faster than ISA video.  His claim is that you can't really
get fast video until you go with video co-processors.

I found it interesting because I'd always been told the limitation to
fast video in PC architecture is the ISA bus.


TomK@cup.portal.com
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From: mlelstv@spckls.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:44:03 GMT

In <1993Jan25.164756.10592@oracle.us.oracle.com> dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:
>I've heard stories of people pulling OUT processor boards to speed the
>computer up (SPARC).  Oops, back to the drawing board....

Well, as far as I know that wasn't an architecture problem but a software
problem. After all the multiprocessor support in SunOS is just kludged in
and that's one more reason why they had to switch to System V.

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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Jerry Kuch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:55:32 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1jli2vINNd7h@giraf.cs.ubc.ca> mueller@cs.ubc.ca (Stephan Mueller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.052858.23136@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>Where CAN I get really nice MS-DOS UNIX-like utils?  Have an batch file that
>>does dir/w for ls doens't cut it...
>
>>You mean '\'?  as in C:\Games\Falcon3 and C:\Games\StuntIsl ?
>>Does it matter, Skip?
>
>Well, yes.  For one thing, there doesn't seem to be a standard location
>for the \ key on PC keyboards.  I find that I keep having to hunt for
>it when I need to type paths in DOS.  For another, it's not like Unix,

Ah, Stephan you've hit on one of my pet peeves for clone keyboards.  
Considering how often '\' and '|' are needed when working in TeX, their
seemingly random positioning around the keyboard always did get on my
nerves... especially when I was using TeX on different, compatible machines.
I've found this key in THREE different places... urrrgh.

>and can't be made such with an alias or a couple of extra programs
>lying around in your bin directory.  (I'm not suggesting Unix is
>perfect, but if I use it all day, having similar behaviour at home
>would be nice.  You express interest in wanting Unix commands; I would
>think you'd want Unix path syntax too, for similar reasons.)

Does make sense.

>Why am I beginning to suspect that Falcon3 is becoming a big stick?

One in a set of sticks.  Remember the ubiquitous Dan S. response of:

	"But does the Amiga have Falcon 3.0, Ultima Underworld, and
	 Wing Commander 2?"

Jeeeez...

>stephan("no relation to Genghis Khan");

Really?  There was a striking resemblance that I took for granted 
last summer... :-)

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