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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:29:34 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <42370@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>The No on Hate PAC is coordinating the 1992 National Comming Out Day
>celebration here in Portland.  One of the sub themes for this NCOD
>is "Is this the last one?".
>
>I attended last year's celebration at which there were 2500 people.  I
>was surprised to learn that only 17 attended the year before that.  This
>year, we are expecting over 5000.  The celebration will be in Pioneer
>Courthouse Square.

This is good to hear. 

>Given that Measure 9 would forbid us to use public spaces (or have
>access to police protection for special events), this could very well
>be the last NCOD for Portland.  We may also have seen our last Pride
>Day as well.  

I think this is an exageration (I hope), I've seen quite a few references
to free assembly posted by Carl Kadie. The US constitution clearly seems
to protect the right of protest, as far as I know laws against public
demonstration by the KKK or Nazi party have never stood up in court.

>While we are confident that we can defeat the OCA minions,
>we also want to be prepared for any eventuality.

Its frustrating not to have a source of income from which to donate money :(

>--
>Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
>markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
>                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

I like the signature.


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From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:31:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug23.174352.6695@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rjones@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rex A. Jones) writes:
>msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug18.153314.24649@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>> I find it absolutely astonishing that any gay, lesbian,
>>> or bisexual person could even consider being a member of
>>> the Republican Party.  

All Things Considered interviewed a nice gay Republican last week; I
think he was one of the few gay delegates to the convention.  Anyway,
he started off by saying "As an Italian, I think a political party is
like minestrone" -- and I thought, Oh, God, and he's going to say "And
you don't throw out the minestrone just because of one bad ingredient"
-- and he closed with "...but I think there's too much pepper in this
minestrone, and I can't eat it."  Three cheers.

I think many of the pro-choice delegates came to the same conclusion
-- it's their party, but there are limits.  ("It's our party, and
we'll abort if we want to"?)

-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
From: aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Insults
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:07:48 GMT
	<4866@news.duke.edu> <1992Aug25.235505.9336@spdcc.com>
	<1992Aug26.003017.11315@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
	<1992Aug26.004907.24970@macc.wisc.edu>
	<1992Aug28.013942.24677@microsoft.c
Organization: Computer Science, University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug28.013942.24677@microsoft.com> 
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

   Who's the enemy?

   Why, anyone Arne *says* is the enemy, of course.  

   (adolphso)
   /Homophobes and anyone who helps perpetuate the homophobia
   /in our culture.

   Of course, its her royal highness Arne who gets to decide who's a 
   homophobe and what is homophobia.  Don't you *dare* call anyone a 
   homophobe without consulting her royal court first.

I think I'm beginning to get a a little sick of this.

In fact I'll rephrase that . . . 

I AM BLOODY WELL FED UP OF THE WAY THAT WHENEVER YOU CAN'T THINK OF 
A HALF WAY ORIGINAL INSULT, SARVER, YOU RESORT TO CALLING SOMEBODY
"SHE" OR "HER" OR "WOMAN". 

SEXIST CRAP OF THAT ILK DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS NEWSGROUP . . .

And I'm fairly certain that the other women in this newsgroup agree
with me.

One might also add that the only homophobe I've seen recently is you.

And, upon that note, I bid everybody in this group goodbye for about 
a month. But, I'll be back as soon as I've settled into my new job.

Ang


--
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University of Wales, Penglais,          | I wasn't then, but now I'm sure;
Aberystwyth. SY23 3BZ. UK               | I need to be at least 2,000 miles 
aag@aber.ac.uk      +44 970 622433      | away from you!"  --- Erasure
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Insults
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:30:44 GMT

 mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:
>In my day ... one would NOT have found anyone labelling a student [at the
>University of Chicago] "a Maroon"...

...and still don't.  The sports teams (when they're noticed at all) are
Maroons;  the newspaper is the Moron;  students are ...unfortunates.

:)

Ellen [who just took another course toward a degree, which may not take
       as long as the fifty-year Ph.D. recently awarded, but isn't likely
       to distract her from reading soc.motss, either]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGA
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 10:47:23 GMT


In article <1992Sep2.040614.7098@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>>I have to admit, I'm chuckling over that one.  Very clever, Jess.
>>You are still a *wicked* *evil* boy for butchering Sarver's name,
>>but at least you stabbed with a sharp blade.

>Thanks, but my name is Steve.

And so *butch* too!  Of course, people will think you got
the name Sargon from the Bible now, but you and I know it's
from your soon-to-published new book, "Boston Babylon:
Strife Among the Tribes."

<> We are all dangerous, til our fears grow thoughtful.
<> -- John Ciardi
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:30:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.212128.15733@beaver.cs.washington.edu> wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.182512.13178@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>flexing some electoral muscle.  Florida would seem to be the ideal place . . .
>Nah, I know this great little town in Oregon.
>I think it's called Antelope (again).

pronounced
  An-tell-o-pee

:-)

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sept. 5, Motss Dinner, NYC
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:44:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug27.023033.28737@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.230720.26608@spdcc.com>
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>Fie on Ry!  You obviously forgot your product's real-time
>>scheduling priorities.

>Silly bear!  this is soc.motss, everything's a relative
>priority.  We abhor absolutes.                 ^^^^^^^^

Naturally, being family and all that ...

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<> which, astonishingly enough, is tea with built-in lemon (REAL
<> lemon) flavoring, "Plantation Mint" which is tea with a touch
<> of spearmint, and "Cinnamon Stick," tea with cinnamon.
<> -- George Madison (furr@cup.portal.com)
<> Jesus wept.
<> -- John Fisher (jf@threel.co.uk)
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:41:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Aug29.214119.871
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <1992Aug29.210253.8676@spdcc.com>, pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
> Mr Sarver is pointing out that nellies are a squicking point for many
> straights as well as closeted (and apparently) non-closeted gays.
  
> This is true to a point. That -doesn't- mean that the nellies should stop
> being themselves.

First, I certainly wouldn't dignify Boob by addressing him
as "Mr" (except possibly "Mr Butch, sir").

More importantly, I think, is that Boob has completely bought
into the notion that you're only entitled to your rights if 
you're popular, and he's asking you to buy into it, too.  He'd 
much rather participate in the marginalization of those who 
are different than put effort into ending it.  He thinks it's
politically important to be liked, as if there's a committee
out there who will protect his job, his housing, etc. if he
bends over really, really far and lets the bigots have their 
way with him.  It's far more masc. to take it up the ass from
a bigot than a fem. gay, doncha know.
--
"I would promptly inform any homosexual who would dare to proposition
me that my preference is fisting."  -- Theodore A. Kaldis

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!  (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:36:28 GMT

I went to see my doctor yesterday for the first time since I
chose my "Personal Physician" a couple of years ago.  Two
previous PP's had since dropped out of my health plan, and
this PP wasn't available, so I got one of her colleagues.
I wanted him to check out my progress since I slipped a disk
in Ireland (really in my back :-)) last week (but that's
another story...).

No, this isn't a posting about our fucked healthcare system.

First, I had to fill out my "profile" on a form, which required
my rejecting the provided marital status options (including
"separated," "divorced," and "widowed") and writing in "gay
with partner."

Later, the doc, profile in hand, asked, "are you married?"

"No," I replied, "I'm gay and I have a partner."

"Oh," said the doc, "and how long have you been together?"

"Thirteen years."

"Very good," pronounced the doc, giving me a conceptual pat
on the head.

Is it advisable to bite one's personal physician stand-in
on the leg?
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From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: mountain biking...
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:32:11 GMT

I posted this to rec.bicycles.rides.  I'm posting it to
soc.motss as well as I'm going to try to have a pot luck
supper (aimed at the lesbigay community) the night of the
26th and am hoping to attract some gay people to Socorro.
There is supposed to be Dancing in the Streets that
evening and it would be grand fun to have lesbigay people
there.

The city of Socorro, New Mexico is hosting a "Fat Tire Fiesta" 
on Saturday, September 26, and Sunday, September 27.  

Blurb from pamphlet distributed by Chamber of Commerce:

"If you are looking for someplace new to ride, this event is for
you!  Pack your mountain bike, thorn proof tubes and camera and
give us two days.  We will show you soome of central New Mexico's 
finest mountain biking.  You will receive a Trail booklet with
25 of our favorite rides through ghost towns, old mining camps, 
and the wildlife refuge which are mapped out for year-round
touring.  You may choose from 10 guided rides or strike out
on your own.  The Socorro Fat Tire Fiesta offers rides of
varying length for every rider from novice to expert and over
terrains ranging from high desert to  high mountain. "

I dont know what they have in the book, but there is indeed some
marvelous riding around here - ranging from fast and hairy trail
riding to easy stuff on the desert.  And the scenery is beautiful
as well.

For more information call : (505) 835-0424 or email to me.
--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Subject: Re: "do I look like a mother-fucking role model?"
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 17:54:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug28.075730.29574@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Sitting on this panel was *hard*. I had to give a 3 minute speech
>about what it was like to be gay. It was amazingly difficult for me to
>simply say "I am a gay man". It was even harder to talk about the
>issues I wanted to talk about - the subtle heterosexism at Reed, the
>difficulty in raising queer issues in class ("Patroklos, Achilles
>'true friend'". Argh, they weren't "true friends" - they were lovers.
>Get it right, Lattimore), the realization that as queer friendly as
>Reed is, you really are in a small minority.

Oh bull, Nelson.  I know Reed hasn't changed that much in the past
couple of years and I'm sure it hasn't gotten *less* queer
friendly.  Reed has openly gay faculty.  Not that long ago the
student body was 15-30% queer, depending on how you counted the
dabblers.  When I was there being hetero was exceedingly square; if
you weren't at least bi then you were a dweeb, at least the minimal
extent to which Reedies make those kind of judgements.  MOTSS
relationships were socially indistinguishable from MOTOS
relationships.  To the extent that anyone danced with anyone,
people danced with whomever they care to regardless of gender.
There were gays on both rugby teams (which is about the most
traditionally conservative group that Reed can muster).  On and
on....

I could get you X number of gay alumni who would say that they felt
so accepted that they forgot out their pariah status until they
walked off campus.

And in my Hum. section the sexual identity of Achilleus was
repeatedly discussed.

It's hell being in Oregon, I know, but don't transfer the
reactionary attitudes back onto the campus.  It just ain't true.
Every fall is a rude shock when you get the new crop of freshmen
in from the suburbs.  By fall break they'll be thoroughly
canalized, as usual.  Maybe things have changed, but I doubt it. 
I'll be up there in a month so I'll look for myself.
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Public displays
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 18:45:30 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar):
> I see you haven't gotten the wizard to give you a heart yet, eh Jake?

i cashed that old ticker in for a pooter pumper, which, i think
you'll agree, pumps more to the heart of our matter.  wanna
give it a twister, sister?
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Another Victory!
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:25:41 GMT
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany

In article <Btwsv4.IFM@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>Just a few hours ago, a tribunal of the Human Rights Commission of Ontario
>ordered the provincial government to extend pension and health benefits to
>same-sex couples.  The case was launched in 1988 by Michael Leshner, a
>lawyer employed with the Ministry of the Attorney-General of Ontario,
>when his partner of seven years was denied elegibility under the spousal
>health benefits offered to employees of the provincial government.

I take it the reference to the value of this case as a precedent means
that no similar cases have ever been decided in the other provinces?
Just what is the status of such questions in the rest of Canada, if anyone
knows?
From: gworrell@carina.unm.edu (Gayla M. Worrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:01:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <42370@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>The No on Hate PAC is coordinating the 1992 National Comming Out Day
>celebration here in Portland.  One of the sub themes for this NCOD
>is "Is this the last one?".
>
>Note that for donations of $50 or more, you must include a statement as
>to your profession *or* a statement listing your employer and employer's
>address.  Only the first $50 is deductible on US taxes.
>
Just for my own curiosity, if I donate, why do they need a statement as to my
profession, or my employers name and address?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:27:48 GMT

AS.DLH@forsythe.stanford.edu (David Hatt - 5-0083) writes:

[Re: constant queries as to his age]
>What gives?  

Ageism, usually.  A particularly insidious form of bigotry.

> Should I take it in stride?  

*Never*.

> Should I lie about my age?

*NEVER*!  If someone can't handle the fact that you happen to have been
*alive* for N years, then--well, fuck 'em & feed 'em fishheads, as they
say.  Not necessarily in that order.

>Is my age part of my persona?  Sorta like my job?

No, and your job isn't really either.  Your *interests* are, though.

>Is it common to exchange ages like dick sizes?  

Yes.  I hate this.  When people ask me how old I am, I am very likely
to give them an age greater than my own.  (I'm 36.)  I then take
note as to whether they seem to care.  It's almost impossible for them
to recover with me if they do.

>Are there hankerchiefs out there to wear in my pocket to classify my age?

Good GODS, what a thought.  I sincerely hope NOT.

>Well, cabal and *motss people, what am I not seeing here?

I think you're seeing fine, Dave.  Treat age like skin color, and you'll not
go wrong.

--Brent

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: British spellings
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:50:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.070241.6928@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> >judgement
> 
> I don't have a British dictionary handy to me, so I might be
> completely wrong, but isn't the accepted American spelling "judgment"
> while the accepted British spelling is "judgement"?

Well, Jon Conrad has already chimed in on this one, but I'll say that
I've never known that one was British and the other US (don't say
"American", Canada uses mostly British spellings), but that I've never
liked "judgment", which I think looks silly, and violates what small
remnants of consistency there are in English spelling. What's a soft g
doing with a consonant after it?

> 
> The astute reader might have noticed that I use a weird mix of British
> and American spellings. I've had people say it was sexy, and I've had
> people say it was pretentious.

These reactions, of course, or not mutually exclusive. :-) I myself am
partial to the chiefly British spelling "grey" -- it looks much more
elegant than "gray", which seems dull. I don't mind having grey hair.

> 
> I'm not so good at the "ize/ise" distinction. My immediate thought is
> to write "industrialize", although "industrialise" looks more proper
> to me. Are all words that in American are written "-ize" written in
> British "-ise"?

I believe so, but by saying so I will probably cause somebody to
remember a counter-example.

What about "defence"? "connexion"? (I don't think this last is current
even in Britain.)

Robert (who has his own work to avoid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: Shakers
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
	<1992Aug28.032443.27666@microsoft.com>
	<1992Aug28.074044.28511@reed.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.074044.28511@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

   You know, Bob's analogy between Shakers and faggots was just so
   *insightful*, it reminded me of how much like a Shaker I I'm just like
   the Shakers, really, and I think Bob just might Like Me.  See, I shake
   too in moments of great passion. It's more a sexual thing than
   religious, but it is all passion, right?

I just *love* Nelson's irony here.  Of course we all know what else
the Shakers were hiding (besides their religious passion) -- *SEX*.
Yes, good old Bob, drawing an analogy between us and a religious sect
that preached absolute celibacy and relied on conversion
(recruitment?) for their continued existence [I'll leave it to the
reader to draw their own conclusions about what this says about Bob].
Of course there were some perverted (very closeted) Shakers who
engaged in those forbidden practices.  And when young Shaker women
became pregnant they had to hide it (have you ever wondered what it
would be like to hide a nine-month pregnancy?) and later dispose of
the infant.

I am not making fun of the Shakers here.  They were (and the very
small number of remaining ones still are) entitled to their beliefs.
I might be making fun of Bob, though.

	Penny

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pepsi
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:30:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep2.003039.27298
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

>Uh-huh.

I really hate those Pepsi commercials, don't you?

At least I'm not supposed to be part of a Pepsi generation anymore.
-- 
                __
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Where is the gay BBS list kept ?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:19:10 GMT

pyro@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Leedell J. Miller) writes:

>From now on, the list can be ftp'd from
>	ftp.acns.nwu.edu
>in directory
>	/pub/bbs.lists

>The filename reflects the version.  For example, the current file is
>	gay0892.bbs
>This indicates that it is current as of August, 1992.
The August version is also in the QRD [nifty.andrew.cmu.edu] in /pub/QRD/qrd/
info/gay-bbs-list.
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``No exam-cheating, pot-smoking, draft-dodging, privileged youth Vice-President
in a "Bush The Blamer" administration can speak with moral authority about
abandoned moral values and assuming personal responsibility.''--Jesse Jackson
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