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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: A tiny but interesting find?  Repost with correction
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:45:49 GMT

[I'm leaving all this stuff in as spoiler hider]
In article <1992Sep11.220533.9751@ttinews.tti.com>, lester@soldev.tti.com
(jim) wrote:
> 
>    Mea culpa!  In referring to a scene I inadvertently called the 1st Season
>    Premiere the Euroversion and visa versa.  Accept my apologies.
> 
>   Perhaps this was mentioned last year, but it is news to me.  A very
>   interesting visual has been spotted in identical (or very similar) scenes
>   from both the Euroversion and the TP TV premiere.
> 
>   This is not really a spoiler, but if you haven't seen any TP and you don't
>   want to hear about a little Bob sighting, then read no further.
> 
>   In the EUROVERSION, Sarah Palmer is sitting on a chair
>   or couch and has a vision/remembrance of Laura's bedroom.  She sees Bob
>   at the foot of Laura's bed.  Then the camera shows her on the couch again
>   (I think she screams).  Look on the wall right behind her.  It's on the
>   right side of your TV screen.  It's a mirror, right?  Look closely.  Now
>   rewind tape & look again.  It's okay if you wish to freeze-frame it.  WoW.
> 
>   The same image appears in the TV PREMIERE: immediately after Sarah's vision
>   of the gloved hand picking up the necklace, which I believe is in the last
>   few minutes of the episode.
>   I must give credit to Ken Brown, who noticed this while viewing the Euro-
>   version.  Later, we checked the pilot episode to verify.
> 
> > 			****
> > Also, I wish I hadn't ignored the Euroversion until now.  It's more than
> > just a different ending.  There are lots of clues which are alluded to in
> > FWWM, not to mention a wonderful scene with Andy & Lucy getting ready for bed
> > 
>  Jim
>     S P O I L E R -- if you want to be surprised by what you see,
> 		     don't read this.
> 
>       What you're looking at is the lower right portion of the mirror/
> picture frame that's on the wall behind Sarah Palmer.  It's BoB's head,
> and it moves...
> Jim Lester

You are so right, Jim. I haven't seen it myself. I couldn't make it out in
my copy of the pilot. It appears to be off screen. However, BOB himself,
confirms that this happened in an interview in Film Threat (see my separate
post).  Turns out it was an accident, but when they noticed it, they
decided to keep it. He was there in his role as set dresser/prop man
handing Grace Zabriskie cigarettes broken off at the right length for each
retake of the scene.  This is typical Lynch--going with what happens. If it
had been too obvious, I imagine they would have done something about it,
but under the circumstances, BOB quotes Lynch as saying "We couldn't have
planned this better."

By the way, the interview is really good. There is an annecdote about how
Frank Silva (BOB) agreed to play BOB for SAG minimum at a bachelor party. 
I won't spoil it for you.

-Rich Haller
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From: nad@cray.com (Ned Deily)
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM Soundtrack
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:47:58 CDT

I've noticed that the "Pink Room" music (DL's personal contribution to the
soundtrack) is also used in Jaques's cabin (the group grope scene prior to
Jaques stepping out).  Seems like another continuity problem here - in the
series, Julie's "All through the Night" is playing over and over again
when the cabin is found (LMFAP: "And there's music in the air").  Unless
Leyland put in on before the run for terror to the railroad car.      

Ned
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Blue rose, Desmond finds the ring
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:44:16 GMT
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In-reply-to: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 14 Sep 92 17:20:00 GMT

In article <BuKw6E.FzF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
   In article <BuKoKE.KA5@scd.hp.com>, dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes...
   >I haven't figured out what the blue rose is yet.  Maybe i'm naive, maybe
   >not.  Desmond goes back to find the blue rose, finds the ring and disappears.
   >Is the blue rose the ring?  If so, then how did Cole know about it?

	No.  Desmond didn't return to the trailer park alone "for" the
	Blue Rose - i.e., to find one.  Blue Rose refers to a TYPE of
	case, not an objective.

Well, while he obviously could be wrong, when Chester tells Sam he is
going to search Teresa's trailer again, Sam says: ``You're going back
for the Blue Rose'' and Chester doesn't contradict him.  So Chester
may have been going back to retrieve something...

-30-
Bob
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From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)
Subject: TP Laser Disks?
Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:28:08 GMT


HI,
	I heard mentioned that over in Japan they have the entire
series released on LD.  Can any one confirm, or deny this?  And if it
was released in Japan, does it have subtitles, I know most Japanese
speak English, but I not sure.  Also, if they do exist what format are
they in?  IE are they boxed, or on a per episode basis.  And lastly,
any one know where to buy them from if they exist?
Thanks,
-- 

		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Miniseries
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:38:30 PST
Organization: BBS

On the subject of possible future miniseries:

I too woul be overjoyed to see them this might be the perfect vehicle for TP,
however there are big problems ahead for this.  Many of the original cast are
now unwilling to do twin-peaks work, and as time passes, the younger actors
will be unable to play the characters because they are getting to old.  Sheryl
Lee did IMHO a wonderful job in FWWM, but lets face it,  She's already pushing
it as a convincing teenager.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

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From: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Did Donna know about Laura's past (Movie / TV)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 10:40:53 GMT
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Organization: private UUCP site, Kiel, Germany

Hi,

I just saw the movie last week and I was surprised that Donna seemed to know
everything about Laura. I remember in the TV show, she didn't.

According to the diary, Laura tried never to tell anything to Donna...

[Please mail your responses as I usually don't read this group.]
Ulrich Gall, Seebrooksberg 2, W-2300 Klausdorf, Germany
Tel.: +49-431-790292, EMail: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de


Ulrich Gall, Seebrooksberg 2, W-2300 Klausdorf, Germany
Tel.: +49-431-790292, EMail: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de
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From: nad@cray.com (Ned Deily)
Subject: Traces of Tresmonds' Trailer?
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:13:26 CDT

Anyone notice that, in the shot where Leyland is scurrying away from
Theresa in the motel parking lot (after seeing L & R in the motel
room), while Tresmond petit-fils is hopping around with the
mask on the left side of the screen, a trailer is shown parked
on the right side?  Is it possible that the gang set up the
Tresmond trailer at the motel in anticipation of fresh garb?

Ned
From: tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Bob & Cruise
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:58:56 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I just got "Floating Into The Night" today... Not to bad.. It does have 
"The Nightingale", "Falling" and "Into The Night" which were all on the 
TP Soundtrack but...
I always read the cover jackets closely... and what would you know.. 
guess who's got Credit Thanks?
"Bob".
Freaky if you ask me.. but then again.. there could be many Bob's out 
there... but wouldn't they put in their last name? :o)

 Dis claimer - not mine. :o) tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
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From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: Annie's speech in FWWM!!?!?!?!!???!
Summary: The Lodge
Keywords: Singular
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:33:15 GMT

In article <3Tm3qB1w164w@medley.ssdl.com> bert@medley.ssdl.com (Bert Medley  ) writes:
>I just saw FWWM for the second time [no mean feat here in Houston TX as only 
>2 theatres now carry it.] and realized that Annie said something verrrry
>interesting -"The good Dale is trapped in the Lodge." - not Black Lodge,
>not Good Lodge, nor waiting room - ,but "the Lodge".  Suppose there is one
>and only one lodge??????
>
>
>--
>Bert Medley              !
>bert@medley.ssdl.com     !

 I noticed this right away also.. I think "The Lodge" is composed of 3
 rooms, the Black Lodge (room), The White Lodge (room) and The Waiting Room.
 Annie saying that is like her saying "Dale is trapped in his house and can't
 leave" while in his house, Dale is in his Living Room, he is still in his
 house, thus if Dale is in either the Black/White/Waiting room, he is still
 in "The Lodge."

 This brings back and interesting parallel to Major Brigg's "dream" of Bobby's
 future in the series (maybe he SAW the future when in the White Lodge?): he
 says he dreamt of a huge house (lodge?) which was filled with light (White
 Lodge?) and that its floors were made of marble (like lodge floors), I think
 he mentioned he was filled with pride or joy and love. He further goes on
 to say he was *born and raised there* (follower of the White Lodge?) and
 though back then there was only one big room, other rooms were added onto
 it but all in all its still the same (other rooms being Black and Waiting? 
 and still the same - "One and the same"? - "The Lodge"?)

  Another question about Major Briggs, why did Major Briggs appear back
  at his home when he came from the White Lodge wearing an old fashioned
  Pilot's outfit? One of the other FBI agents who comes to investigate his
  appearance says how the Major was one of the best pilots he has ever seen.
  Why do the White Lodge need Briggs - to fly something? If so, what?
  (A UFO? :-) )

  -=*George*=-
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: BOB linked to Coop's mom's death?
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:34:02 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <18mkr5INN8s5@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>I still think that the "owl ring" is some form of "marriage bond" between
>the wearer and the giver, and that it is connected to the Black Lodge, thus
>it is a symbol of the wearer having sold his/her soul to the Lodge, the
>"forces of Darkness."

Why necessarily the forces of darkness?  If you do want to look at this in
fundamentalist religious terms, which some folks have suggested Lynch may
intend, couldn't the ring simply symbolize handing control over your fate
to the White Lodge as well?

After all, you can give your soul over to Heaven as well as Hell.

What I got from the end of the movie was not that Laura had made a pact with
BOB, but that she refused to do so ("You can't have me... kill me!").
Putting on the ring seemed to give her strength to resist, and die in the
process.  That would explain why her angel came to her in the Lodge, and
why she was happy.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP,FWWM: Questions  (HELP :)
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <9209110347.AA02428@cs.utexas.edu> STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:
>Okay,  I just read most of the old messages in the newsgroup and
>now have a few of my own.

You know, this one post here should probably be saved as the Twin Peaks
FAQ. :-)

>1) Just where does the special European ending start on the movie
>   and what is different?

It starts at the scene where Sarah Palmer, half-asleep, has a vision of
BOB in her daughter's room.  Everything after that is new/different,
though large chunks of it were adapted for Cooper's first-season dream
sequence.  The original pilot ended with Sarah instead seeing a vision
of a gloved hand taking the necklace that Donna and James buried.

>2) Who is Judy?

Good question.  Dialogue from the extended version of the David Bowie
scene implied that she is someone working with the FBI on the Blue Rose
cases -- about the beings from the Lodges.

>3) How is it that Dale is able to talk to Laura (i.e. Don't take the
>   Ring) and stuff like that, and how does he get to the curtain place
>   so easy, like at the end.

Because this is Dale after the end of the series, when he is "trapped
in the Lodge and can't leave".  Time flows strangely in the Lodge --
backwards, in a sense.

>4) I am assuming that the chick at the end in the black dress standing
>   by Coop is the same chick from the end of the pilot where the LMfAP
>   says "She looks a lot like Laura..."  Then why is she so happy at
>   the angel.

That WAS Laura, or more accurately her spirit.

>5) Everyone seems to say that the ring symbolizes "You're next"  Then
>   howcome when the OAM drives up screaming, he holds up his hand with
>   the ring on it?

Because he's from the Lodge, and they control the ring.  It's theirs.
Why shouldn't he wear it?

>6) What is the Twin Peaks FTP site? I remember it is audrey and in AU.

audrey.sait.edu.au
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From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Subject: End Twin Peaks
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:39:22 GMT

  I think they should make another 2 hour show to tie together all the
'future' part of TP after the seies on TV.  
  I would end the last show with the whole town meeting at Glastonberry
Grove at night 
dressed in hooded black robes in a circle around the trees.  There
should be some character that hasn't been possessed protesting the meeting 
and trying to stop it.
  All the characters should raise their rings into the air and scream 
"Fire walk with me" during a lunar eclipse that just happens to be occuring.
The red drapes appear.
Then the OAM, the Midget and BOB should walk out  of the waiting room together.
BOB could bring an Owl to the center of the circle.
The OAM could sacrifice the owl.
The Hooded Man in Black could appear in the center of the circle.
The Lake next to glastonberry grove could turn to blood.
The credits could finally end the show.

NOTE:  Everybody assumes that the red room is the black lodge, but in one
episode the midget says that it is the waiting room.  The red room is
probably the waiting room between the black & white lodges.
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From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan)
Subject: Hunchback woman / woo-woo (SPOILERS)
Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:31:24 GMT

Spoiler spaces












My first thought when I saw the old woman with the icepack
at the trailer park was that it was the same hunched-over woman
that sewed the Q of hearts onto Audrey at OEJ's in the first
season.  I suspected at that time and I still sort of suspect
that the character is played in drag.  I even wondered if it
might be David Lynch himself.

When the LMFAP says "I am the arm and I sound like this..." and he
makes the Indian woo-woo noise, he deliberately made the noise
slow down and taper off.  This got me to wondering about the nature
of the noise.  I almost think that it's supposed to be like a sine-wave
audio signal (siren?).  This would make sense in the "Electricity" context.  It
seems like the "woo-woo" sound is linked with a TV set and Laura's
apparent fear of power lines.

One final out-on-a-limb thought.  Assume that the pain and suffering theme
of TP:FWWM is related to addiction.  Addiction=electricity=TV=TP=
Our (the fans of TP) addiction to the television series.  I don't think
that's really the message that Lynch intended, but I know that there
were times during the series that if I didn't get my TP fix I was going
to go mad.

Keep 'em flying!

Terran J Boylan
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From: thomasl@mtl.mit.edu (Thomas J Lohman)
Subject: Re: Comments from 2nd viewing
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:40:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.040646.27245@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:

>2- In the series he wasted everyone's time. Think about
>it: from the movie we know that he knew about LeBob, yet
>he did not spend any miniscule ounce of energy pointing
>the law enforcers in the right directions.
>Conclusions: Mike is not _evil_ since nothing seems to
>be so clear cut in the TP world. But his is nonetheless
>a character that has a variey of shady purposes of his own.

Well let's think about it.  The main problem with Twin Peaks is that
Lynch did not write all the episodes himself thus opening the door
for interpretations different from his own.  Perhaps Mike was supposed
to be the good alien/spirit/pooka in the series but that isn't really
what Lynch had in mind.  The movie/series would have worked best if
it had been a 13 part series with Lynch directing and writing everything.


--tom



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From: miata@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (steve.bruun)
Subject: Re: Soundtrack requiem
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:32:46 GMT
Summary: The envelope, please...

In article <1992Sep2.232654.827@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, 
bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:
> Would someone give me the name of that requiem at the end of the film?
> Is it on the CD soundtrack?  I suspect that it isn't, as the film credits
> mentioned some requiem recorded by a symphony orchestra, and there is no
> mention of this on the CD.

At the risk of answering the question for the gadzillionth time (I'm about
400 messages behind in my FWWM reading), the wee slice of heavenly music
at the film's end is from Luigi Cherubini's Requiem Mass.  Sadly, it isn't
included on the soundtrack CD, but recordings of the entire piece should
not be too hard to find.

On the subject of heavenly music, does anyone share my hypothesis that the
shadowy shape which floated behind the red curtains during the 1003 dream
sequence has now been revealed to have been an angel?

I thought not.  Sigh...

Steve Bruun
From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Subject: FWWM earnings
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:40:01 GMT

Well, FWWM has gone in and out of our local theaters in the space
of about a couple weeks, so I was wondering if anyone had news
on how much money it earned during its (short) run in the U.S.

Hopefully more than 10 million?

Bv

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From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM gripes
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:39:07 -0300
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Distribution: na
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <rhaller-090992125635@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.025558.22112@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca
> (George Noel) wrote:
>>>   Also, remember in the pilot version when Josie tells Pete to "pull the
>>   plug" at the mill.. Pete is sitting down, saying to himself..
>>    "2X4s, 4X8s.." repeatedly (I found that scene funny alone) apparently in
>>    the movie there is a scene cut where Josie and Pete make reference to a
>>    choice between 2X4s and 4X8s which was supposed to be funny. This would
>>    explain why Pete was saying that in that scene.
> 
> I can confirm that Lynch talked to Jack Nance and Joan Chen about a scene
> involving 2x4s that they were going to shoot for FWWM.  It isn't in the
> precise of the script that was posting here, but I eavesdropped on them on
> location.
> 

Was the scene actually shot? And are there other scenes featuring some of our
favorites that were actually shot, but are now playing to the cutting room
floor? Just wondering...
Mike "I'll get you some Valium."
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Another question about MIKE...
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:08:13 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <7SEP92.15510476@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>There's probably a simple reason for this that I'm forgetting, but if MIKE
>was capable of warning Laura about Leland in the movie, why did he need to
>spend all that time in the series searching for BOB and interrogating Ben 
>Horne? I suppose (legally speaking)he couldn't have Leland arrested 
>without evidence.
>
>-                              |   "A guy with a hard-on is not
>Bart "Webb" Tilney             |    my idea of art."
>Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu  |                       - John Mellencamp
I think MIKE doesn't know that BOB is Leland.  I'm not sure he knows who Leland
even is.  I think MIKE just knows BOB when he sees him.  He may have just
assumed that Leland was Laura's father in the car scene.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: OAM's Purification (SPOILERS)
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:53:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep06.050016.21050@microsoft.com>, t-markla@microsoft.com
(Mark Lambert) wrote:
>   In the Lodge, he asks for his 'Garmonbozia (pain and suffering)' because he
> is reattatched to his arm, he and the Man from Another Place speak as one and
> the MFAP has his hand on Mike's shoulder.

My theory is that the OAM in this scene is the bad one, not to be confused
with the good one who is outside trying to thwart BOB. Coop is in the
reverse position.

>   This may be a bit contrived, but the telegraph pole bears the numbers 12480
> and 6. If you sum the digits of 12480 you get 15, sum those and get 6. So 
> that's two sixes. I looked hard for another, but couldn't see one. 666 is 
> probably too traditional for Lynch anyway.

Probably, but I suspect the 6 on the pole is an intentional reference to
666.

-Rich
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mhauser@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marc Hauser)
Subject: A Question...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:47:50 GMT



I just realized.  Someone has already posted a summary of the same script that
I have.  Could someone please post it again, or give me the article #, so I
can save myself and others trouble...

thanx!

marc hause
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From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Subject: FWWM Castlist Request
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:48:14 GMT
Distribution: na

This is my first post, so bear with me.

Does anyone have a complete list of the cast from the closing credits
of the movie? I have accumulated a list of over 400 "characters" from
the show, the books, the TP Gazette, etc, and would like to complete
it. (Yes, I suppose I should get a life.)

The cast list that is regularly posted is limited to only the major
characters of the show and movie.

If I can get my FrameMaker list into Emacs, I'll try to post it once
it's complete.


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