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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Ergomania
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:31:11 GMT

In article <dlcogswe.724394103@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>tgross@cvbnet.prime.com (Tom Gross) writes:
>
>
>>	I've been rowing on an Erg machine for about a year,
>>	and for the past five months or so I've been doing "600 calorie"
>>	workouts about 6 days a week.  I set the distance remaining to 
>>	9999 and row down to 0 in about 46 minutes.  My best time is
>>	43:40, and if my total calories is less than 600, I'll row some
>>	more to round it up.  With the holidays now I've been making
>>	a effort to do this every day, and I've done this workout 
>>	every day for the past 12, for example.
>
>I just got my Ergometer.  I love it.  It sounds to me like you're in
>pretty good shape, already.  What's your resting heart rate?  If you
>really want to workout try to match some of the sub-8 min 2500 meter
>times in the listings from Concept II!

   
Try this if you want a change from the 9999 meter workout. At
the rate you're going you're doing about 2:11 for each 500. I'd
guess that means you could do 9:30 for 2500, the standard racing
distance. Assume you'd like to improve to 9:00 for the 2500, a pace
of 1:48 for each 500. So for your first workout set the timer for 
one minute of work followed by one minute of rest. Row at your racing
pace of 1:48 and do 15 sets of 1 on/1 off for a total of 30 minutes.
Next workout set the timer for 1:10 on 1:00 off, do the 1:48 pace and 
keep doing sets til 30 minutes elapse. Nest time do 1:20 on/1:00 off,
etc., gradually increasing your time on. Eventually lets say you get
up to 3 minutes on, one off. The object is to approach doing one 9:00
minute set at 1:48. Do a time trial. If you come satisfactorily close
to a 9:00 500 start over at 1 on/1 off doing it at (say) 1:45 pace,
aiming for an 8:45 2500.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Schwinn Airdyne
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:11:18 GMT

In article <Bz7MKH.ILF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Magdi N Azer) writes:
>We got a Schwinn Air-Dyne, and we couln't be happier.  Have had it for 3 years
>wwith no problems. We use it primarily in the winter to stay in shape.  The
>nice thing about the Air-Dyne is that you can work either arms or legs or both.
>Also, since it uses wind resistance, doubling your speed increases the amount
>of work you do by a factor of 8.  (This is because of the Fan Laws, but I 
>digress).  WHat this means is you don't have to peddle over 60-70 revolutions
>per minute to great a great CV workout.
>
>Magdi N. Azer
>magdi@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

Same here, I love em.  I have tried many exercise bikes over the years at
many gyms and this model is still my favorite.  Buy spare parts though,
Schwin just went out of business.

Steve R
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: SUPPLEMENTS--FLAME WARS
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:21:59 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

Folks, let's all calm down about supplements.  I have not been saying too much
because I do not want to get into any flame wars.  However, putting my friend-
ship with Adam Silver aside, I would not discredit what he says.  He has done
his homework and pretty much knows what the hell he's talking about.
Second of all, I want everyone out there to wake up and smell the f___ing
coffee!!  Three quarters of the bodybuilding supplements out there are 
BULLSHIT!!  Yes, I am going to use the word too.  I have been in this field
for quite some time and I have tried all most every single supplement out there.
I listen to people talk and find out what they feel works for them.  Then, I 
read the research literature and any other "credible" literature I can find
on the supplement in question.  If I feel that the supplement is worthy of my 
investment, then I will go ahead and try it.
In regards to Hot Stuff and Real Stuff and The Right Stuff.  WAKE UP!!!!  Most
if not all of what is in that "stuff" is shit!  They throw in brain, kidney,
gallbladder and other juicy organs in the hopes that someone out there that 
believes these products are a "magic bullet" will buy it!  Guess what?  They're
right!  Most of these supplement companies are just like black market steroid
companies.  They are out to make a buck.  Is that not the American way?  Yes?
I am not going to preach to anyone as to what they "should" take for supplements
.  Try them yourself and see what works for *you*.  But, do not go off on some-
body just because they feel that a product is shit.  It's their opinion, whether
you want to accept it or not.
In regards to human vs. animal studies.  I do research on aging humans and 
animals alike.  All I am going to say is...don't believe everything you read!
As close as some animals are to humans, they're is still a significant 
difference.  Just because some cancer cure wipes out cancer in pig digestive
systems, does not mean it is going to do the same in humans.

-Rob
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)
Reply-To: doug@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Doug)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:42:39 GMT

In article <75582@apple.apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin) writes:
> 
 (lot's of really interesting stuff deleted about research data)


Chuq,

Well, the problem I have with all of your research data slinging is that
this data was collected in a lab setting, using pharmaceutical quality
supplements. But what does this research data provide for the average
*lifter/*builder? Almost nothing! You mention dosages for Chromium,
well in your research, is the stuff sold at the local GNC the same
as what was used in these lab experiments?

Remember the big news five or ten years ago about Argine and Lysine 
increasing the release levels of one's Growth Hormone? Well there was 
scientific data backing up this claim, however, unless you read through
the actual study, you would have never known that the subjects were given
the aminos intravenously, it was a pharmaceutical quality, and at a 
dosage the average person could not afford. So in laymen's terms the
supplements are BULLSHIT! They will not provide "claimed" results at
the dosages recommended. 

There is a good nucleus of people subscribed to this group that have 
valuable information on supplements and supplement companies. Much 
of this information is gather through personal use. I would much rather
gather a consensus of personal testimonies about a particular supplement
than listen to the "lab data", because unfortunately few supplement
companies are providing us with pharmaceutical grade products. The final
decision will be mine to make as to whether I try the supplement or write
it off.
 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Originator: glex@nitro
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:28:37 CST


In article <1gqnubINN2c1@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule) writes:
> around your waste, ... what is that fat right there doing for you? It's
a "waste" indeed...

> how dangerous is because almost everyone in America has anywhere from 10-20%
> bodyfat on their bodies. This is the current norm and it may itself not
"most" are probably in the 20-50% range. The "healthy" norm is %15, most are
not healthy.

> opinion and assumption. As a matter of contention, current studies show that a
> calorie restricted diet, which also means lowered fat intack, is the healthiest
> way to go.

NOT!  You go on a 500 cal diet and let us know how long you live!  Eating well
teamed with aerobic and anerobic is the healthiest way to go.  Lowering calories 
will only lower your metabolism, unless you're doing aerobics to elevate it, 
which will lead to a higher body fat %.  True, eating less fat means less total 
calories, which is great, but total calories should still be over ~1,200, much 
higher if anerobic exercise is involved.  This means eating more "good" food so
the total calories don't change, unless excessive, and could increase in some
cases.
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Water Aerobics?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:27:56 GMT


Does anyone have any experience with water aerobics?  I'm interested
primarily because I've read this is good for recovery from injuries.  I've
seen some ads for The Water Power Workout and I've also seen devices like
the aquajogger for sale that allow you to run in place in deep water.
What should I look for in considering a program?  How do I find programs
in my area (Los Angeles, preferably on the west side but the south bay is
also feasible)?  

I have a little time to research this as I wouldn't be able to start until
at least January 5th (when the cast comes off my leg if the x-rays are okay).

Miriam Nadel

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: etpeters@dal.mobil.com (E. T. Peterson(Eric))
Subject: Abdominal Exercises?
Organization: Mobil Exploration & Producing Technical Center(MEPTEC), Dallas. 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:17:40 GMT

What are the best exercises for the abdominals that can be done at home
without any equipment?  Situps and leg raises seem to stress my lower back.

Please describe them as I don't know the terminology (what is a "crunch").

Thanks! 

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dharker@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Harker)
Subject: Re: Ergomania
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:31:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: dharker@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <dlcogswe.724394103@vela>, dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
|> 
|> I just got my Ergometer.  I love it...
|> I've only had the machine 1.5 weeks and I've used it every day.  3500
|> meters is pretty rough for me right now, but I've got 20 pounds to lose.
|> Mostly, though, my arms feel it.  I don't really run out of breath.
-------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> -- 
|> Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"


I row (in shells, and on a Concept II erg) and would like to point
out that this (sore arms) is a common indicator of incorrect rowing style - 
your legs should be the first muscle to apply force on your rowing stroke,
and arms and back should not do much work at all until the legs are
nearly extended.  Then, the rower should begin to lean back and pull
the oar into the chest with the arms.  Reverse this process after the
stroke, extending arms, then sitting up, then bending legs to return
to the start position (the 'catch' position).

If you already knew this, sorry.  Just want to help...
You _should_ feel it in your arms, but legs too - your arms and back
are just connectors in the early part of each stroke, connecting your
leg muscles to the oars - keep the arms straight, until the legs have done
their part, mainly by themselves.  

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Harker
IBM - Rochester, MN
dharker@vnet.ibm.com
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:59:59 CST
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu


In article <1992Dec12.183847.6292@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
|> >>	(I've heard the old standard that you should be able to
|> >>	 bench press your own bodyweight... but I've never heard
|> >>	 any mention of a number of reps).
|> 
|> 	There was a time when I could bench 185 for several reps
|> at ~150 bodyweight, but at ~225 I don't think I could do 200 lbs
|> even once.   225 lbs x 24 reps would be pure nonsense as any kind of
|> "standard", unless it a standard for if you are in the top 1/10000th
|> percent for strength or something.

While I agree that at some point trying to bench your weight a rep
for every year of age is going to be a loosing battle.  The overall
goal is clear; keep your weight down and strength up.  

I just tried doing this today, I got 16 reps at 195.  I think I could
make the target of 30 reps by my birthday (about six months).  I'd have to
train for high reps, and I'd probably try to loose about 10 pounds or so.
Both are probably good things.

There is no way I'm in the top 1/10000th percent for strength.  And, unless
my lifestyle changes significantly, I hope to be able to continue to come
close for years to come.  As a goal I see nothing wrong with the weight X
age thing.  It is a tough goal to attain, but there is nothing wrong with
that.

Art
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,misc.forsale,nj.forsale,rec.sport.tennis
From: der@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.e.rorke)
Subject: Atlantic Club Fitness Membership Available - Reduced Fees
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: nj
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:08:17 GMT
Followup-To: poster

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Call or e-mail for additional information.


Dave Rorke
(908) 522-6025
der\@usl.com
From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:31:26 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

Okay fellas, this is getting a bit out of hand. After all, the whole
"bench press your bodyweight for your age in reps" business is pretty
aribtrary. For example, can you?

* curl your weight (in kilos) for your age in reps?
* squat your weight (in stone) times your age?
* military press your weight (in pounds) for your age (in dog years)?

And if you can, who cares??

	-- Don
--
 Dr. Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                     Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory        Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                          Renaissance Dude

 The ideas and opinions expressed here do not represent official policies
 of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,  the University of California,
                or the United States Department of Energy.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: IRONMAN: bench how to question.. Serious inquiries only
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:55:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.180358.17733@walter.cray.com> glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner) writes:
>
>(I don't have the article with me so bear with me...)
>
>If anyone read the latest (Jan.) edition and understands the part about
>doing a "Pec" bench press by rolling your shoulders under and pressing
>them down..(something like that)  Could you explain to me how to do this
>without an excessive arch in the back?  
>
>In case you're wondering, the article talks about different exercises for
>the pecs and the author says that his front delts and lower pecs are wonderful
>but he doesn't have good all around pecs.  He says that Perillio(sp?) told 
>him that he was a "delt presser" and to becomre a "pec presser" he has to set up
>the ?? (rib cage) girdle so the bench press will work the pecs more.  I've
>tried this, because I'm in the same boat, but have yet to figure it out.
>
>So if anyone actually can explain the "correct" way to bench to put more
>stress on the pecs, besides a wider grip and incline/decline, please clue 
>me in.  I've been hitting the iron for many years so don't give me any 
>BULLSHIT ;-D...
>
>Thanks
>-- 
>glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."

Hi,

  You don't have to "excessively arch" your back to properly set up
your ribcage.  But you do have to get your shoulders back and down
a bit.  In other words, you don't want to bench with your shoulders "rounded"
or "rolled forward", 'cause then you're working too much front delts.

  To understand the feel, throw your shoulders back (right now, at your
desk) and stick your chest out.  Now extend your arms.  See how your
chest is still sticking out and is contracted?  Now let your shoulders come
forward and again extend your arms straight out.  See how  your pecs
completely flatten out (basically, disappear) because they are no longer
contracted?  Thats the feel you're after...

Hope this helps.

Ron
From: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stuck in a Rutt
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:29:49 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Reply-To: bandwen@eagle.larc (bando)
NNTP-Posting-Host: mad-dog.larc.nasa.gov


I often find myself stuck in the "rutt"-- where I'm sick of doing
the same weekly routine, and my muscles become too accustomed to 
doing the same thing over and over.  Anyone else feel this way?
I need some suggestions as to how to overcome this.

--bando
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:38:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec12.183847.6292
Organization: Western Washington University

>>	(I've heard the old standard that you should be able to
>>	 bench press your own bodyweight... but I've never heard
>>	 any mention of a number of reps).

	The way I heard this one as a teen, was that to officialy
leave the "whimp" class, you must be able to bench press your body
weight.  I always assumed one rep was the magic number.

	There was a time when I could bench 185 for several reps
at ~150 bodyweight, but at ~225 I don't think I could do 200 lbs
even once.   225 lbs x 24 reps would be pure nonsense as any kind of
"standard", unless it a standard for if you are in the top 1/10000th
percent for strength or something.

	There is not a linear relationship between weight and strength.
Some of weight gain from age is muscle, but the proportion of new 
muscle to new other tissue (ie fat) is much lower as an adult than 
it is as a growing teen.

	That the rep requirement goes up as you get older is certianly
stupid.  I am positive I will not become twice as strong by 48, and it
would be insane to expect anyone else to do so.  Teens and 20s is where
I would expect strenght to max out for most people.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:48:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.142844.3653@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>In article <28663@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
> amongst the downside I can mention
>  * since steroids are hormones your production of sperms reduce,
>    and with enough time down to zip, so you get infertile, that
>    is, your nucks shrink down to size.
>  * you get an incremented sexual drive (like 10 times a day isn't enough)
These two contradict.  I've heard the first claim predominates and
some poeple lose their sex drives and abilities to perform.
If you lose your sex drive you don't care about performing, though your girlfriend
cares :-)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: curt@mcm.hp.com (Curt Simkins)
Subject: Re: Pulse Monitors
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit -  McMinville OR
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:49:01 GMT

In article <2B30F864.2840@news.service.uci.edu>, dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec17.194423.22626@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
|> >I've thought about investing in a pulse monitor.  I've heard they are
|> >expensive, 100 dollars and up.  I've also read complaints on the net
|> >that they malfunction around exercise machines with electronic displays.
|> >
|> >I use a lifecyle step machine and a schwin aerodyne bike so this concerns
|> >me.  Can these monitors be used on such machines?  If so, what are the
|> >good brands to buy?  I dont mind ancedotal experiences.  Id rather hear
|> >someone's predjudices who bought and tried one of these then hear a
|> >salseman's bullshit story.
|> 
|> 	Also, what about those Casio watches that have a pulse monitor feature?
|> Do they work?  I'm not too terribly good at finding and counting out my own
|> pulse...
|> 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> | Dan Harkless                | "The sore in my soul                         |
|> | dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu      |  The mark in my heart  ->  Front 242,        |
|> | dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu |  Her acid reign..."        Tragedy >For You< |
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   I can't help you with the effects of different electronic displays
   on heart monitors, I do know you can't be too close to a television
   while training with one or you will find yourself in the 225 bpm range
   real quick.

   I have had the experience of owning three different types of monitors
   and unfortunately you will most likely have to spend close to $200
   for one that will be both reliable and accurate.  I sweat very, 
   VERY much and also train in the rain of Oregon.  I have had a Polar
   Accurex for almost a year now and it has worked great.

   When I do train indoors I use a wind-trainer with one of my bikes
   mounted on it, set it up in front of the TV with videos of the Tour,
   Giro or some mountain bike races on and crank up the stereo.  It has
   performed well (Accurex) under conditions that "killed" two lower
   priced heart rate monitors.

   Good luck......
   Curt