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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The ideal werewolf
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:17:07 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>Okay -- my ideal werewolf (or in other words, the kind I'd want to be):
>-Would be able to change at will from completely human, to completely wolf, or
>anywhere in between.
>-In wolf form would be the same weight as in human form.
>-Would need to satisfy both human and wolf needs -- Would have the need to hunt
>as a wolf and be in a pack, and still have human needs as well. --except for
>sleep. My ideal werewolf would not need sleep.
>	The being would still have normal minds. It wouldn't just go killing,
>killing, killing -- although that would be part of it -- to satisfy that need.
>-Would be more powerful than any wolf -- mostly due to size.
>-Would not _have_ to turn into a wolf ona full moon, but would feel a very
>strong call to do so.
>-If he/she failed to satisfy the needs of one form for too long, would become
>wholly the one that did have its needs looked after.
>-Would be immortal, able to be killed only by silver bullet.
>-Could create other werewolves by the traditional biting method.
>-Heirarchy in werewolf packs would be determined by who created who.

>These are some of the charcteristics of my ideal werewolf (I'll post more as I
>think of them) But the only thing I would _need_ to have as a werewolf would be
>to know that I am a werewolf and remember everything in both forms. In other
>words, _not_ like in American Werewolf in London -- in which the guy doesn't
>know that he has been running around as a wolf type thing killing people.
>	For just that I'd give just about anything and do just about anything.

>As you might have guessed, I've thought about this a lot. To me it would be the
>most incredible thing imaginable.

Up to the point you said "it wouldn't just go killing, killing, killing --
although that would be part of it," I might have thought you at least had some
shred of decency about you - that's just plain sick.

>More later...
>-Jordan
-- 

Wulf                    |"Did you make mankind after we made you?"
jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |			--XTC, "Dear God"
From: tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Tom Brady)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: S. P. Somtow's _Moon Dance_
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:52:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <kim3.721940980@husc10>, kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Y. Kim) writes...
>_Moon Dance_ by my friend Somtow and thought it was a mindblow...anyone
>else??

I read _Moon Dance_, and although the plot was pretty good, it
seemed to drag on a bit, and in retrospect I recall coming away
thinking that Somtow had an unhealthy fixation on body excreta.
I've got some good werewolf books at home - let me look up the
titles, and I'll post something tomorrow.
-Tom
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"Never underestimate the effect of inertia as a force in society."
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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Ways of becoming a werewolf
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:18:44 GMT

In article <1393@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> sch@oasis.icl.co.uk (Simon Hamner) writes:
>OK, so heres a quick question - how many ways are there to become a werewolf?
>
>The ones I can think of are :-
>
>   1) Getting bitten by another werewolf....

Of course this is pretty difficult to do since werewolves tend to leave no 
survivors, but yeah, it works.

>
>   2) Drinking dew from a werewolf's (or is it any wolf's) footprint ...
>
>   3) I seem to remember something about fat made from a wolf...?
>
>
>OK over to you.
>
>
I do recall some Satanic ritual (not from experience. Just reading about it)
in which if a guy wears a wolf skin and dances around some icon of some sort
that eventually the skin sort of melts to his/her skin and voila, a werewolf.

Now, are werewolves supposed to be immortal? I vaguely remember Wolf Man vs.
Frankenstein or something like that and the dude that turned into the wolfman
who was supposed to be dead came back to life, but I don't see how that it
possible since lycanthropes aren't supposed to be undead.

While we're on that, is the silver bullet remedy actually useful against
werebeasts? I thought they only affected undead.

philip
Philip Wang
E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Though many a tortured night prevails thy Exorcisms shall but fail
While Crucifix doth burn my flesh I shall not yield to you unless I Die."
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From: psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith)
Subject: The Howling series
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:00:37 GMT

I'm sure many of you saw the original "The Howling" movie.  I thought
it was excellent.  However, I had the misfortune of going to see
"Howling II":  holy shit was that an abomination!  The makers even
embarrassed those responsible for the first one by attempting to make
a link between them.  Frig I could have done the film in my basement
with similar quality.

Complaints aside, is the rest of the series as bad as II.  I think I
noticed titles as high as VI.  Unfortunately, I get the impression
they are playing up the sex angle too much and taking away from the
werewolf subject.

bye
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: re: question about lycanthropes
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:23:59 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov18.025534.2899@wixer.cactus.org>, thorfinn@wixer.cactus.org (Thorfinn Einarsson) writes:
> 
>> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) wrote:
>>(well, some werewolves are created through devil worship - that much I 
>>remember - I think by wearing a wolfskin and dancing around some Satanic icon
>>and doing some other stuff) or otherwise night creatures.
> 
> Please cite your source. In most cases, "devil worship" , called as such
> by the christian paradigm, relates to the activities of pre-christian
> pagans (heathens). Satan or The Devil usually appears in christian 
> dominated societies and is used as an excuse for the church's firm grip 
> over the sheep (I mean people). 

True, but by the Middle Ages werewolves were firmly linked in the popular mind
with witchcraft and vampirism. I suspect that by that time anyone attempting to
become a werewolf would genuinely have believed that they were worshipping
Satan, rather than a pagan god. The fact that were-creatures exist outside
Xianity does not exclude Satanism as one mode of werewolfism.

Yours under the full moon,
--Semhaza
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From: dido@coli.uni-sb.de (Doris Diedrich)
Subject: Re: more questions
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:26:42 GMT

jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>one more question:
>Does anybody have some *really* good werewolf movies to recommend?
>-either high quality w/ good effects and story
>-or just classics I should see
>-or anything else interesting.

>Also-
>What's your ideal werewolf? I'm interested to know what other people have
>thought. I'll share mine soon.


Okay. I like the werewolf who knows what he is. He would make suizid if he
losted his hope. He thinks that one day , there will be help for him.
I once saw a few parts of a serie named "werewolf". I think its an american
serie. I am not really shure, cause I saw it in the european tv.
In fact it were not really good movies. But I liked the character of the
werewolf in it.
Doris

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From: ean@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Naratil)
Subject: Information
Organization: Paramax Systems Corp., Valley Forge Labs, Paoli, PA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:15:38 GMT


Well, I guess it's time to add my two cents worth of information
on werewolves.  Yes, it IS true! Werewolves DO exist!  As my
Hungarian heritage taught me - when the moon is full, the children
of the night roam.

The dictionarys and encyclopediae do not have much to say about
'werewolf' other than to mention that is comes from the German 
'werwolf', literally 'man wolf'.  They then give the definition as
'a person transformed into a wolf or capable of assuming a wolf's
form'.  No mention of mythology!

Some mention is made under 'lycanthropy'.  This is the name that
our 19th century physicians and psych doctors used in order to
make the general population believe that those who were werewolves
were only mental patients and NOT really humans who took on animal
shapes during the light of the full moon. (But WE know better, 
don't we?)

More to follow --- including reference works.

In the meantime, if you should meet up with Lawrence Talbot, ask
HIM about werewolves, and give him my fondest regards.

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!  ean@gvl.Unisys.COM    !  "He who is bitten by a werewolf, and lives,      !
!                        !   becomes a werewolf himself."                    !
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From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: One more time....
Keywords: werebeasties
Organization: Sun User Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:28:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.060219.27332@ncsu.edu> parmst@eos.ncsu.edu (PAUL  ARMSTRONG, IV) writes:

>     Greetings once again all, I looked up the origins of the
>     the word "lycanthropy" and here goes.  In old Greek myth-
>     ology an ancient king named Lykan(spellings vary) was to 
>     be visited by the gods and prepared for them a huge feast.
>     In order to offer his best he killed his son and added him  
>     to the meal.  During the meal, the gods discovered his deed
>     and cursed him, causing him to take on animal form(usually 
>     interpreted to be a wolf). 

Interesting.  Looked it up *where*?  As I've posted previously,
'lyco/lycos' is Ancient Greek for wolf; 'anthropos' is Ancient Greek
for 'man'.  This is from the Oxford Universal Dictionary, which,
incidentally, indicates that 'lycanthropy' is a relatively recent
word; it wasn't used in print until 1534.

>     Also, as I posted earlier, silver was NOT a part of the 
>     original legend.  It was added by Hollywood for dramactic 
>     effect.  And, check out other were- legends form around the 
>     world, they are very interesting.

Although Hollywood is guilty of adding many things to many legends,
I'm not sure this is true either.  Silver was a rare metal and
attributed with magical powers as far back as the Romans.  I seem to
recall some Russian folktales (I've done a lot of study on folktales,
but my focus has been Eastern Europe and Russia) where silver was
effective against shapechangers.  I'll see if I can dig it up when I
get home.

>                                               Paul Armstrong, IV
>                                               parmst@eos.ncsu.edu 

Alex
troll@sug.org
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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Silver and werewolves
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:43:50 GMT

pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk  writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.184318.16526@unislc.uucp> stv@unislc.uucp 
> (Steve Spencer) writes:
> 
> +As was mentioned in another article on this net, silver was not always
> +the traditional way of killing a werewolf. I find that most myhts
> +have some "reasoning" behind them. And I tend to doubt that silver
> +is the real killer of these beasts. So my question is: What was considered
> +the magical remedy before? I'm willing to bet it's either some sort 
> +of mystical ritual, or some odd concoction made with an "antidote" to
> +wolfsbane. Anybody know?
> +
> + Steve Spencer	SLC, Utah 	stv@unislc.slc.unisys.com      
> 
> Silver would have been connected to the werewolf, since the metal is often
> associated with the moon. As you all know, the werewolf too is tied into 
> the lunar cycle, and hence no doubt this shared element accounts for its
> effectiveness.
> 
> Alternativly, the link could be from some other obscure branch of folklore,
> otherworld creatures always have certain vunerabilities, eg the Sidhe of 
> Irish folklore were vunerable to iron, although the reason for this is never
> fully explained.
> 
> 		Graeme Sutherland.
I am not sure of this (so put the matches back in your pockets), but if the 
Sidhe are faerie's or similar, they might be susceptable to cold iron, 
because of an elemental conflict or even because they are from the same
element...

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: parmst@eos.ncsu.edu (PAUL  ARMSTRONG, IV)
Subject: Silver and Lycanthopy
Originator: parmst@c00384-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: parmst@eos.ncsu.edu (PAUL  ARMSTRONG, IV)
Organization: NCSU
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:18:50 GMT





    Hello All, 
       Silver was a pretty recent addition to the werewolf myth
    and was introduced when the first werewolf movie with Lon 
    Chaney was made.  Ditto on the sign of the pentagram in the
    palm of the hand.  Also, lycanthropy is considered to be a
    mental condition that causes the sufferer to believe he or
    she changes into an animal of some sort not necessarily a
    wolf.

                                          Paul Armstrong, IV
                                          parmst@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 06:45:23 EST
From: We all earn our time in Hell <IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: PLEASE?

Hey..if any of you guys or gals get to Bangor Maine or Boston Mass and
feel like passing on the gift, let me know.
Thanx    -TC
From: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:29:25 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Nelson)
Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department

In article <1992Nov16.204603.2206@ncsu.edu>, mrjones@eos.ncsu.edu (CARNIFEX) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> FINALLY!  I've been waiting for a newsgroup like this since the dawn of time
|> itself!  Hopefully, this newsgroup will be as popular (and busy post-wise) as
|> the alt.vampyres newsgroup.
|> 
|> So, fellow wolven, what shall be the first topic o' discussion?
|> 
|> 					
|> 						Carnifex

Human flesh recipes?
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From: heonj00@DMI.USherb.CA (Crazy Jeff)
Subject: Werewolf
Organization: Long Island Ice Tea addicts - ANS - Sauvons les iguanes!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:25:21 GMT

	I hereby declare Steve Darveau of the University Of Sherbrooke
an authentic werewolf!

	Let him speak for himself or be foerever lost in the dead of
the night!

	AAAAAAAHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUU!

	All hail Steve 'darvs' Darveau, Master werewolf!
-- 
	'Mais si nous refusons l'amour qui nous est offert, si nous
refusons d'aimer par crainte de tout perdre, alors notre vie sera vide de
sens et la perte plus grande encore'
		-Tanis dans un Dragonlance quelquonque
From: drwho@planet10.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The ideal werewolf
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:08:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu

My ideal werewolf would be in control of the transformation at all
times.  He wouldn't be automatically evil; it's his choice.  (Marvel
comics has two werewolf superheroes.  Not that I read Marvel
comics...)  Both forms of the werewolf would have the same
intelligence, and essentially be the same person, with the lupine form
perhaps taking on some animalistic mannerisms. (Licking himself clean,
scratching himself with hind legs instead of hands, peeing... well,
you know.)  He would be able to speak in either form.

The lupine form would be somewhere between human and wolf.  It would
walk on two legs, but drop on all fours for speed.  The head wold be
essentially a wolf's head, with all the heightened senses that
implies.  The legs (hind legs) would be digitigrade, like an animal's.
None of that lame Hollywood werewolf-is-a-hairy-human-with-a-funny
-looking-nose crap.  Tail?  Hmmm.  Optional.  The werewolf would be about
seven feet tall (on two legs).

Eddie the Werewolf (TM) from the Howling is almost exactly what I have
in mind.  (Which is why it's one of my favorite movies.)

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # "Are you absolutely sure that you want to 
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # do this? [ny]"
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # No, but can I do it anyway?
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.
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From: cfc6418@rigel.tamu.edu (chuck)
Subject: Re: Werewolf copulation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:42:00 GMT

In article <1ea5olINNad4@phakt.usc.edu>, tgoodman@phakt.usc.edu (Theodore Goodman) writes...
> 
>  I am working on a werewolf story and a question on werewolves has crossed
>my way.  How do werewolves copulate?  Missionary position?  Rear-entry (ie,
>doggy-style)?  And how would a werewolf rape a human?  I figured that
>individuals who are just beginning to turn werewolf would tend toward human
>instincts for such things, while completely-turned werewolves would tend toward
>-- 
In the white wolf RPG a explanation is given that lycanthropy is a resseve 
genetic trate.  A werwolf breeding with another werwolf produces severe 
birth defects (baldness, no tail, witherd limbs,ect.ect).  Werwolves must
breed with humans, or wolves.  The offspring has a 1 in 9 chance of becoming a
werwolf at puberty.  Any werwolf crossbreeds or "Metis" ares considerd outcasts
or at least scorned.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thantalos- aka Chuck  the AGGIE FROM HELL
     Help stamp out unicorns....
		walk a virgin home tonight!
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:53:38 -0500 
From: Larry Lyle <ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Werewolf copulation
	<1992Nov17.131705.24859@news.columbia.edu>

	I believe physical and  state would tend to determin the capability a
given werewolf may have to copulate in a given way. Obviosly the more
wolfy.. the more logical it would be for them to do it  'wolfy' :)
style.    
	If your writing a book, I would tend to sugest you look at the
characteristics of the werewolf in question. Does he think, or does he
act totaly on instinct?   The consideration of this would likely lead
you to the right conclusion.

De
The Lupophile,


The Werewolf at CMU   ...    Lycanthrope@cmu.edu
From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: two movies
Date: 20 Nov 1992 02:14:24 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu

	My favorite werewolf movie is "The Boy who Cried Werewolf" from
the early 1970s.  A boy tells his regular child psychiatrist that his
father is a werewolf.  The shrink, of course, interprets this to himself,
but later he begins to wonder....   Meantime, Dad and Junior go off on
a camping trip.

	One of the best parts of this movie, for me, is that you get
to see the werewolf early on and get plenty of him through the movie; none
of this coy don't-see-the-werewolf-till-the-end business.  Also, my first
glimpse of the werewolf using a tool -- a shovel.  

	Another movie I have not seen mentioned is "Werewolf on Wheels".
The title is the only good thing about it.  Very little werewolf
and a lot of bad acting.  Second time I saw the werewolf use a tool,
though -- the motorcycle.  But the movie is a real dog.

Joan V

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From: tolsen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tanya Ann Olsen)
Subject: The Werewolf Principle
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:28:08 GMT

The Werewolf Principle really doesn't have much to do with werewolves.  It
is based on as it says, the principle of lycanthropy.  I can't say much more
without posting major spoilers for the book.  It is an excellent book by
the way, but don't go reading it expecting anything like the standard
horror, werewolf tale cause it's not even horror or fantasy...just good
sci-fi.

Tanya Olsen






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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: The Howling series
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:00:59 GMT

drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU  writes:

> Howling VI: the Freaks
> Werewolf in a carnival sideshow breaks loose.  OK, I haven't seen this
> movie yet, but the commercials I have seen make the FX look **VERY** good.  
> Plotwise, many horror fans tend to think this is the best of all the 
> sequels so far!  Released directly to video.
> 
Not neccesarily.  I have seen  The Howling VI:  The Freaks.  I saw it on HBO.
I didn't think that HBO would play things that were direct video releases, but
I digress.

Plot summary:
A young man is wandering through a poor southern area when the carnival passes
through.  The carnival and the young man both have thier secrets (I won't tell
you what the carni's is, but the man is the werewolf.  Naturally, he falls in 
love with a preacher's daughter, and is captured by the carni.  A suspiscious
number of disappearances are going on and when the carni catches the man, and 
forces him to transform into a wolf before the preacher and his daughter, most
people believe that the devil himself is wandering around in thier little town.
That is all I'll say except that there is a moral lesson in this movie, and all
too often, I think we could use a refresher in that particular course.
The FX are mediocre, not really to be compared with H 1, but they're not bad.
Also, I didn't like the appearance of the werewolf.  It was like Lon Chaney's,
just not as hairy (kind of slimy too).
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..)
Subject: Who is more powerful?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 05:25:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: all

Who is more powerful, both mentally and physically, a wearwolf or a vampire?

Rick