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From: brucer@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bruce Rayner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Altimeter comparisons
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:39:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Aug25.213009.15998@Happy-Man.com> Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes:
>
>Does anyone know if the Avocet has a similar temperature
>sensitivity?  If so, could cooler temperatures at altitude
>help explain reports of "compressed" altitude readings?


Compared to my Casio, my Avocet 50 has very good temp stability.
As for differences, the '50 has a fixed algorithm for altitude vs.
pressure where the Casio's linearity can be altered by offsetting
the pressure (millibar) setting.  I used this feature to calibrate
my Casio more precisely.  The Avocet BTW is calibrated for altitude
changes at standard temp, which is what? -- 59 degrees? or something,
so on normal summer rides, its difference indications will be some-
what less.

Yes, the Avocet has good temp stability, once it has stabilized for a 
few minutes, but direct sun is more than the copensation can handle.

Bruce
From: ken@claris.com (Ken Walter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Routes from Fremont to Santa Clara
Summary: Any good bike routes from northern Fremont to Santa Clara?
Keywords: Fremont, Santa Clara
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:41:29 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Claris Corporation, Santa Clara CA

I commute by car from northern Fremont (above Dunbarton Bridge) to
a place off Patrick Henry Drive in Santa Clara (near Great America).

I'd like to ride my bike to work once in awhile.  The problem is that
to get from Milpitas to Great America Parkway it seems necessary to
take 237, or if I go over the Dunbarton I have to go all the way up
to Menlo Park to avoid East Palo Alto, turning my 19 mile car
commute to a 30 mile bike commute.

Anybody know of a way to get here on bicycle that avoids East Palo Alto
and 237?

Ken
ken@claris.com
From: kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:49:24 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.200946.15374@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:
> 
> I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
> Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
> Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
> will be effective?  Thanks.

Only four bucks? I sure hope they do a good job and don't ruin your wheels.  
Most wheel truing that I've seen is about 10 bucks per wheel.

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From: markd@cup.hp.com (Mark_Donohoe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:09:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Weber) writes:
: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter) writes:
: 
: >Candidates that did not make the cut:
: 
: >1. Indexed shifting and STI.   Sort of neat, but unless one 
: >is racing the benefit seems very marginal  (I have one 
: >indexed and one friction bike).  An experienced friction 
: >rider can shift one or two cog shifts almost as accurately as 
: >an indexed rider.
: 
: I have an arguement for you....
: 
: You are obviously a road biker.  Because if you were a MTN biker that did
: anything off road, you would realize that indexed shifting is the god of
: MTN bike components.  Because without it, Shifting would be a real bitch
: on all of those bumps.  It's not quite as easy to "find" a gear when your
: teeth are being jarred loose.
: 
Except that mountain bikes existed for quite a few years before index shifting
hit the market and people were on many of the trails that you now ride with
index shifting without it and did just fine!  Yes, I have indexing on my
MTN. bike, some of my friends don't...I don't seem to be leaving them in the
dust....Don't get me wrong, I have friction only on my road bike, and I like
indexing...but it really is NOT required on a ATB to ride and enjoy yourself.

It may be one of the top 5 innovations but is not god like for those who 
know how to use their bike.  (not meant as a flame :-)).

-- 
Mark Donohoe (markd@cup.hp.com)
From: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Keywords: flickstand
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:21:24 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: SFBAC

Isn't placing the flickstand in the same category as
two wheel drive and automatic shifting derailleurs 
inappropriate?  I will admit it, I use a flickstand,
and while I am not pleased with the construction (they
wear out too fast), I think it is useful for anyone who
gets off the bike to eat, fill water bottles etc.  When
off the bike, it seem to me the following choices are 
available:

1. Lie the bike down
2. Lean the bike against something without a flickstand
   type device and risk a much higher probability of the
   bike falling.
3. Use a kickstand.
4. Lean the bike against something with a flickstand.

For me, choice number 4 is clearly the best.  So, what is 
beef with flickstands?
From: pannen@gmd.de (Thilo Pannen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wearing street shoes on clipless pedals
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:21:03 GMT
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany

In <497@arrl.org> rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L) writes:

>In rec.bicycles.misc, cwright@tensor4.WPI.EDU (Charles R Wright) writes:

>>Funny this discussion about a better name for those pedals we now call
>>"clipless".  I always feel a little foolish having to explain why
>>they're called that, and yet the shoes just "clip" right in...

>I agree. It's awkward.

>>Anyway, I've recently purchased some Shimano dual mode pedals and some
>>nice Avia shoes.  But I was encouraged to make the jump to clipless
>>pedals from the... other ones, with the clips, because several people
>>assured me that there was this accessory that you snap into the pedal
>>so you can wear normal shoes to ride the bike.  This would seem to be
>>a good thing to have, yet I've not seen them in any bike stores.
>>
>>Do they exist?

>Yes.

>>What are they called? Where can I get them?

>At least two kinds are available: Winwood Pedal Inserts (around
>$20 from Performance) and another that's advertised in Triathlete
>and Triathlon Times, which sells for around $70. I believe that
>the product name has the word *Transition* in it (oddly enough :').


I think that you mean the THOMPSON TIMELESS TRANSITION, which
cost about $130 in Germany. ( $1 = 1.50 DM )
-- 
	Thilo W. Pannen		
	Email : pannen@gmd.de            Phone : +49 2241 14-2324
	German National Research Center for Computer Science (GMD)
	Schloss Birlinghoven
--
	Thilo W. Pannen		
	Email : pannen@gmd.de            Phone : +49 2241 14-2324
	German National Research Center for Computer Science (GMD)
	Schloss Birlinghoven
From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Pulsar Hubs
Keywords: Stronger
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:18:19 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

I've just started to notice ads for Pulsar Hubs. Aside from a couple of typos
in the ads the hubs look sort of interesting. They are sealed bearing (I think cartridge)
and designed so that a line drawn through a spoke hole in the hub goes nearly straight
into the appropriate nipple hole in the rim. Thus the spokes used have *no* bend at the head.

The company claims less breakage, stiff wheels, light hubs, etc. etc. etc.

Like I said in the first paragraph they look interesting, but I'm left with a couple of 
questions:

	- Like so many innovations in Bicycling, it was probably tried years ago. So does
	anyone know if this type of hub design has been tried (and abandoned) in the past ?
	
	- If  it was abandoned in the past - then why ?
	
	- If it's truly a new approach [:-O] then what do people familiar with the technical
	aspects of wheels think about this design ?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Terri_Watson@cs.cmu.edu (Elfling)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: WIFE doesn't wear helmet...
Organization: Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:00:14 GMT

In article <182g3gINNsh1@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) writes:


   #2 Re wife not maintaining the bike: almost all respondents suggested that I
   do it. The best response was: "Would you trust her doing the maintanance
   anyway? Don't you want her to be {\it safe\/}?" OK guys (and some gals), you
   convinced me; from now on (as in the past, and just like with her car etc.)
   I'll do the tires and the chains etc. (Question to the ladies: does {\it any
   of you} ever maintain your own bike? (For some reason, none of my female
   family members (mother, wife, daugther, etc.) were ever even able to replace
   a light bulb!))

Yes, I maintain my own bike.  And in fact, I maintain my SO's bike as
well.  Apparently this is more uncommon, as the last time we were out
riding, I had to adjust one of the limit screws on his rear derailler
(he couldn't use the lowest gear) and a couple of the people we were
riding with (for the first time) found this very amusing.
Fortunately, he has more than enough confidence to not care about such
comments.  <And actually, he's doing more of his own adjusting now :>

I was particularly surprised when I heard about your _wife_ not
wanting to wear the helment, since it has more often been my
experience that the few people I have heard protest have been guys
with a "tough" image to maintain.  It's getting less common though.

Good luck with your persuasion.  The technique that worked for me with
my SO was, "OK, so I'm overly paranoid, but would you please wear one
so I'll be comfortable?"  Since then, we've seen a couple of
impressive flips on a downhill section of a X-country MTB race.  When
you look at the punch-style holes from rocks in these people's
(micro-shell) helments, and no matching scalp injury, you get a real
appreciation for how effective they are.  He believes in the helments
now.  :>


Good luck,
.Terri
From: rms@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Rick Scherer)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:52:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What to rename "clipless" pedals?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

From The American Heritage Dictionary (1975):

"Usage:  Hopefully, as used to mean it is to be hoped or let us hope, is still
not accepted by a substantial number of authorities on grammar and usage.  The
following example of hopefully in this sense is acceptable to only 44 per cent
of the Usage Panel:  Hopefully, we shall complete our work in June."

The problem with quoting Webster is that they are notorious for allowing nearly
any use of nearly any word.  Webster is not a usage authority, but a usage
reporter.

Rick Scherer
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joe Six-pack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What to rename "clipless" pedals?
Followup-To: alt.usage.english
Date: 25 Aug 1992 19:18:20 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <9208242147.AA25416@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>...Used in the currently popular way it is, would you
>believe, as trite as this, once popular, interjected phrase that anticipate
>listener disbelief.

   Believe it or not, the above appeared in an article complaining about
grammar and common word usage.  Perhaps we should stick to the subject of
bicycling, eh?
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Brown University Planetary Geology
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat(long)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:55:08 GMT

Elizabeth Worden writes:

> Surely, you have heard of the song by U. Utah Phillips entitled
> Moose Turd Pie?   Related to Meadow Muffins?

Yes this is a long tale told by those who have never been in moose country.
Moose scat is similar to deer scat but larger, about the size of pecan nuts,
no greater.  I suppose this myth arises from the familiarity with cow pies
and that a moose must therefore produce something similar but larger.  Not so!

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brockr@muvaxf.rferl.org (The Delicate Sound of Thunder)
Subject: Slipping
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Radio Free Europe
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:19:00 GMT

  Yet another question from the newbie.  In May I purchased a "stock" bike
here and since then have been having the following problem:  (The bike is
a Battaglin frame outfitted with Campi Athena components)

  Whenever I get up out of the saddle, pedalling uphill, the chain starts
slipping through the cogs.  If I pedal up the same hill sitting in the saddle
I don't have this problem.  I've brought it back to the shop and they've
fiddled with it on numerous occasions.  After rescuing the bike from the shop
it works fine for about 30 km. Then, it starts slipping again.  
  This problem obviously has to do with pressure being exerted but which
component might be the culprit?  ANy ideas?  Thanks in advance

  Richard Brock (BROCKR@RFERL.ORG)
  Munich, Germany 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.tech
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Altimeter comparisons
Summary: Casio vs. Avo 50 in North Cascades
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:30:09 GMT

During last week's Great Escape ride across Washington
State, I and 90+ other riders climbed several mountain
passes and countless rolling hills, with cumulative
elevation gains over 20,000 feet in about 420 miles.
(I'll have more to say about the ride itself in a future
posting.)

Throughout the ride I compared the elevations given by my
Casio Alti-Depth watch with those given by a riding
partner's Avocet 50.  When both altimeters were calibrated
at the same starting point, they gave reasonably close
results -- within 150 feet on Rainy Pass and Washington
Pass in the North Cascades, and almost identical readings
on Loup Loup Pass the next day.  There was a significant
difference on Sherman Pass and at Gillette Lake, since I
did not recalibrate my watch when the weather changed.

When either altimeter is not calibrated under the same
conditions as it will be used, its readings will be off.
In the case of the Casio, temperature is significant.
Sitting at my desk today, the altitude reading increases
more than 150 feet if I take off the watch and let it cool
to room temperature (72 F).

Does anyone know if the Avocet has a similar temperature
sensitivity?  If so, could cooler temperatures at altitude
help explain reports of "compressed" altitude readings?

BTW -- any other Great Escape riders on the net?
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 23:02:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <16190403@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine) writes:
>Ho hum.   I couldn't believe in the Olympics
>none of the women would work together to chase down Watt.  The Ore-Ida has 
>better than usual women's racing, it seems to generate more breakaways, 
>chases, and race dynamics than the races I see in Colorado.

Did I miss something or was the men's road race somehow better?
>
>From ~1982-1987 Jeannie Longo dominated women's bicycle racing to such an 
>extent that it made women's  bicycle racing boring.  Longo 1st, Canins 2nd,

Did Merkx winning everything in sight make men's professional racing
boring? Did Poulidor's second placings in so many races hurt the sport?

>America has a *few* women (Inga Thompson, Rebecca Twigg, Ruthie Matthes,
> etc.) who are among the very best in the world, just as we have a few men
>(Lemond, Hampsten, etc.) who are among the very best in the world.
>US women certainly do NOT dominate world class women's racing, as
>evidenced by recent World Championships and the Olympics.  

American women are the one's collecting world and olympic medals.
>
>I'm really going to provoke a flame fest here:
>I find women's racing less interesting because the women are *SO*
>much slower than the men.  Compare any district ITT times, the women

What does speed have to do with this? My old Honda 750 can complete
the distance in even less time than Grewal (maybe not by much.) Speed
is a joke when you're talking about bicycle racing. This is an
endurance sport.


Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:21969 rec.bicycles.misc:193
From: perley@trub.crd.ge.com (Donald P Perley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicyc
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:16:00 GMT
	<1992Aug27.145155.28022@cci632.cci.com>
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY 12345

In article <1992Aug27.145155.28022@cci632.cci.com> tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan) writes:


   melvin@math.psu.edu wrote this about Gas subsidies and taxes:
   >While cursing the traffic jam caused by the toll booth on the Maine Turnpike,
   >I thought of how neat it would be to require cars to have large bar codes on
   >the door so that tolls could be automatically charged to your MAC card without
   >slowing down.

As others have posted, such systems already exist. The really neat part 
(PUKE :-() is that anyone of a mind to would be able to set out their own
sensors and start keeping track of where people go.  It's already a real
cash business to sell your grocery lists with name attached (for those of
you who pay by check at stores with UPC scanners).

Mostly this info is used for "targeted marketing," but who knows why someone
might be interested in where you go?  Maybe they just subscribe to a service 
and program their little PC to look for cars belonging to one car families
which have been scanned at least 500 miles from home, then go check out the
house.

In a sense, displaying a license plate makes your travels public knowledge,
but automation makes it sooo much easier!  Sure your govt dossier will grow,
but that's why they keep inventing bigger disk drives!

-don perley



--
perley@trub.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Combs?
From: rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:16:23 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Gerald?

Gerald Combs?


RTIGER
(the r stands for Roy)

Hear me roar!
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:08:28 GMT

Ken Lehner writes:

> My suggestions for the top recent innovations (after consulting with
> jobst) (in no special order):
>
> 1. trispoke wheels
> 2. Hyperglide
> 3. Park/Vetta chain cleaner
> 4. Titanium chain ring bolts

Well now that you mention it I think in classic fashion this list should
be the "Top Ten" as in many other comparisons and to that I can add a
few items.

  1. Tire savers
  2. Flickstand
  3. Camelback
  4. 3, 4, and 5 spoke wheels
  5. Park/Vetta chain cleaners
  6. Drop in bars
  7. Shift levers at the tip aero-bars
  8. Automatic shift derailleurs
  9. Two wheel drive
 10. Iridescent Spandex

This is a yet incomplete list but I can imagine some of these items
getting bumped as more important innovations are remembered.  Some
of them vanish from memory all too easily even though they seem to
be the very essence of bicycling.  I hope I didn't miss any big ones
but I'm sure other readers can fill in the blanks.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Re: All that fat
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 23:39:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug23.204659.9680@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>When you burn 600 Kcal of glycogen to produce 200 Kcal of pedal effort and 400
>Kcal of heat, you consume a corresponding amount of oxygen, which is what
>measurement exercise physioligists measure when they report that hard bike
>riding is a 600 Kcal/hr activity.  So the greats can get their 6,000 Kcal by
>eating perhaps 7,000 or 8,000 .  I would not be surprised to hear that the GI
>tract is a bit less efficient when handling these loads instead of a more
>normal 2500, but especially if the guy is used to it i would expect to see
>efficiencies at least in the high 70's of percent.
>
>Thirty bagels ought to do it; fifteen in each pannier constitutes a balanced
>diet, i suppose (;-) .  Perhaps you need something from each of the four food
>groups: Onion, Poppy-seed, Garlic and Whole Wheat (;-) .  But my key point is
>that the 6,000 Kcal figure was measured UPstream of the body's big conversion
>losses.

What, good information? Isn't that what this network is suppose to
be for? Bad typist, bad, bad, bad! Flames only please. :-)
>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jmooi@ra.csc.ti.com (James Ooi)
Subject: Trek 1400 for sale
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:48:50 GMT

For sale:

1991 Trek 1400

54 cm
Shimano 105sc components
Easton E9 ProGram Aluminum frame
Matrix ISOCII wheels
off-white(champagne?) with purple/green stickers
Look P66 clipless pedals.

Ridden less than 200 miles. Never crashed, perfect condition
except brake lever is slightly loose from shipping from Boston to Dallas.
Reason for selling is that I am basically afraid of riding on Dallas
streets and just don't use the bike. (I ride a mountain bike on the sidewalks -
I know this is supposed to be more dangerous). Nothing is wrong with the bike.

Asking $500 (I pay shipping), negotiable. E-mail to jmooi@csc.ti.com. or
call (214)644-4829 (after 9pm CDT) or (214)995-0604 (before 9pm).

Thanks,
James
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: MTB news group
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: wrong news group
Keywords: news.groups
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:34:55 GMT

In article <j_bnr#l.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.105652.3325@otago.ac.nz> choline@otago.ac.nz
>writes: 
>>It would be nice to read about mountain-biking activities without
>>having to sift through the plethora of letters from the fraternity
>>of elite roadies ...

>Tell that crock to Ned Overend.

Please remove this discussion to news.groups and keep it there.

Thanks

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?