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From: Martin.Ehrenstein@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Martin Ehrenstein)
Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:20:48 GMT


In article <H.ea.B3hrEmCAM86@yonder.equinox.gen.nz>, craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
|> In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz>, Martin D. Hunt writes:
|> 
|> >1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
|> >the right? Drivers seem to particularly like to do this on blind corners. 
|> 
|> I do this, but only if there is no other traffic in either direction,
|>  and only if I have a clear view for miles. I know it's illegal,
|>  but if there's no other cars around at all, it smooves out all those
|>  curves and makes the curve safer.
|> 
Arrgggghhhhhhhh, you probably don't make any backups either, do you?
|> 
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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: RE: TV CRICKET
From: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
Date: 10 Jan 93 11:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
Distribution: world
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mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes
 MD> Has anyone else noticed how much more pleasant the tv cricket 
 MD> coverage is this season without Henry Blofield commenting on 
 MD> "how marvellous this stump vision is" (sorry, can't get the 
 MD> Pommie accent into my posting) every time stump vision is used? 

Yeah.  When the coverage is actually on the air.  Frankly, the one I'm 
pleased not to have in our lounge is Boycott.  Something about him just 
really got to me.

Jonathan

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Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:15:16 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1993Jan6.224456.1904@gaya.gp.co.nz> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
>I don't want want to comment on the holiday road toll other than to say 
>that it was terrible and ruined a number of families' Christmas time. 

The overall accident rate and number of injuries was down though.  This is 
a more significant statistic than the toll itself, which can skewed greatly 
depending on the vehicles involved.  

A lot of people were therefore spared an annoying or painful christmas break.  
So to all those designated drivers who stayed sober out of either an adult
responsible attitude or fear of the police.

WELL DONE it was worth it.

P.S. My car was off the road over christmas so I am not indulging in self
congratulation here.


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Subject: Re: TV Cricket
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:32:49 +1300
Distribution: world
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1059008@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
> 
> "Stump vision" gives the bowlers something to aim at.  8-)
> 
Well said. A damn stupid place to put a piece of expensive and sensitive 
electronic equipment, really.
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From: ccc_jdw@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Pet driving hates (was Re: Holiday Road Period)
Date: 13 Jan 93 11:40:33 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <C0rCBq.n4o@comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ewan Tempero) writes:
> Then of course, you'll see vehicles like B who *will* signal (today
> it was a bus. This bus later stopped at a bus stopped without any
> indication it was going to do so).
> 

Yes, I recall you complaining about this on a previous occasion.  I too
will often signal when following the centreline around a curve *not*
because I'm too ignorant to know that I'm not obliged to, but because I'm
aware that too many other motorists are too ignorant to realise this and
may assume that I am travelling straight ahead if not signalling. 
Signalling disambiguates such a situation where most motorists will not
signal if they are travelling straight ahead.

Motorists in Hamilton seem to be dreadful for not signalling, especially at
roundabouts.

	- John Wells (j.wells@waikato.ac.nz)
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From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Subject: Re: Pet driving hates (was Re: Holiday Road Period)
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:43:07 GMT
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harper@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (John Harper) writes:

> I have a pet Road Code hate which may fit in this discussion. We are told 
> the meaning and purpose of an area of road with white diagonal stripes
> painted on it but not the difference (if any) when the stripes are yellow.
> Consider for example Kelburn Parade in the middle of this university.

It is a little-known factoid that the yellow diagonal stripes (or, as
our Department of Vehicular Transportation would have it, The
Obliquitious Canariata Variegate Vigilance Indicator) was a
last-minute addition to the road marking system, and as such was
unable to be included in the 1992 edition of the Road Code that you
have.

The Minister of Road Fatalities himself pushed it through, claiming
that it would indispensable in the fight to save lives on our roads
(or "vote-winning" as he put it).  It is designed to be a space for
National voters to dive from their cars in the case of an impending
collision.  The Obliquitious Canariata Variegate Vigilance Indicator
would be painted onto a section of the road specially paved with
mashed beneficiaries, so as no break the fall of the fleeing National
voter.  Despite this, reports have been heard of voters landing on
their wallets and bouncing into the traffic coming in the opposite
direction.  The Minister was quoted as saying the system still had
"teething problems".

When asked why Labour voters could not use the system, the Minister
said "it's really quite simple -- there won't be any Labour voters
when all the roads have the Vigilance Indicator; when we run out of
beneficiaries, we'll use the ballot papers we kept from the last
election to identify Labour voters to use as paving."

Nat
From: tom@thegrove.welly.gen.nz (Peter Browne)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Clear vs. Telecom
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:32:18 +1200
Organization: TheGrove Unlimited

Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz> writes:

> You have an account at ASB and just transfer money from your account to
> Telecom's.  You can also pay power bills and so on using the same
> method.
> 
I think you can do the same thing with telebank run by Trustbank?
Don't know tho as I use PSIS telebank system to pay mine!

Tom

I have nothing to declare except my genius! (Oscar Wilde)
From: bryan@brunswk.amigans.gen.nz (Bryan Taylor)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:48:53 GMT+1
Organization: Home, sweet thistle patch...

craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:

> In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz>, Martin D. Hunt writes:
> 
> >1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
> >the right? Drivers seem to particularly like to do this on blind corners. 
> 
> I do this, but only if there is no other traffic in either direction,
>  and only if I have a clear view for miles. I know it's illegal,
>  but if there's no other cars around at all, it smooves out all those
>  curves and makes the curve safer.

As an ex-motorcyclist who rode lights on with _bright_ yellow clothing, I 
had a number of close calls with people who believe that the curve was 
clear because it was absent of tin boxes aka 'cars' but in reality was 
filled with me. :(

bryan@brunswk.amigans.gen.nz (Bryan Taylor)
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Subject: Re: CLEAR VS. TELECOM
From: don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:21:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Wolery

jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen)  writes:

(Hi Jonathan!)

> I was speaking to a Branch Manager of Trustbank a few months ago, and 
> he gave the impression that their telebanking system wasn't automated.  
> You apparently speak to an operator.

I was talking to them a couple of days ago.  At the mo you do talk to
one of those old fashioned water-cooled telephone answering machines, but
a new system is intended to be added soon that will require using a touch
tone phone to talk to it.  The new system will apparently allow you to 
pay bills "on line".

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From: wright@med.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wright  Phone +64 04 801 3735)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Pet driving hates (was Re: Holiday Road Period)
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:08:26 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
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In article <1993Jan12.221414.25141@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>, 
russells@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Street) writes:

>striking -- like a red, dark blue or pale green.  You could employ a
>lot of people to do white dotted lines with the first dot red, the
>next blue, the next green etc.
>

 Then they wouldn't be white would they!!

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Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
From: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:58:40 GMT
 <1993Jan11.043936.17008@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> <1993Jan12.202531.3605@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Cc: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

In <1993Jan12.202531.3605@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

>In article <1993Jan11.043936.17008@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons) writes:
>>In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
>>
>>>1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
>>>the right? 
>>
>>To smooth the journey out. The less braking, accelerating and turning you
>>have to do, the less tired and inattentive you will be. 

>Actually this is false.  

Perhaps I wasn't careful enough with my phrasing. Try "The less braking,
accelerating and turning you have to do, the less you tire yourself and so
the less inattentive you will be later."

>If you are tired and relaxed you become inattentive.
>If you keep yourself alert by braking and manouvering you may get more 
>fatigued by the end of the journey but are less likely to fall asleep.
>
>Have you ever found yourself feeling drowsy at the wheel?  Assuming you start
>out equally tired where are you more likely to feel those lids getting
>heavier: 
>a) The Matamata straights 
>b) A really windy road through the mountains with a steep drop to the side 
>   and only a couple of sticks between you and oblivion.

This is correct but irrelevant. The problem comes in driving along long
straight roads *after* driving along lots of windy mountain roads. If you
show me someone who claims to be able to drive all day along windy roads
and still be equally as awake for the following straight roads, I'll show
you someone who is overconfident in their powers of concentration.

Jeremy

Disclaimer: before you criticise *my* driving, read the message again and
observe that I say nothing about my own driving. Criticise my argument, by
all means, but leave my driving out of it. Thank you.

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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Holiday Road Period
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:44:55 +1300
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

I don't want want to comment on the holiday road toll other than to say 
that it was terrible and ruined a number of families' Christmas time. What 
I am wondering is, why did the official holiday period end a day early, 
before a lot of people would have returned home? For some reason the period 
ended on Monday morning, when normally it would end on Tuesday morning, 
after the public holiday had actually finished. Anyone have any ideas?
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Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
From: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:48:06 GMT
 <C0nsoz.HLF@inform.co.nz> <1993Jan12.202734.3837@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Cc: jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

In <1993Jan12.202734.3837@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

>Imagine you have just smoothed that curve 'to make it safer'
>and are driving a shallower curve.  You have overstepped your (or your 
>vehicles) limits and suddenly there is an obstacle in the oncoming lane.
>Be it that low sports car, motorbike, cyclist, dog, small child, goat etc.

Smoothing out the curve makes it easier to take. Now, this extra ease means
you can either take the curve faster with the same effort, or take it the
same speed with less effort. The latter option does not mean you are any
closer to your or your vehicle's limits.

Jeremy

Disclaimer: before you criticise *my* driving, read the message again and
observe that I say nothing about my own driving. Criticise my argument, by
all means, but leave my driving out of it. Thank you.

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From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: TV Cricket
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:41:03 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)

mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:

> don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
> 
> > "Stump vision" gives the bowlers something to aim at.  8-)
> 
> Well said. A damn stupid place to put a piece of expensive and sensitive 
> electronic equipment, really.

Ever consider that the expensive and sensitive electronic equipment isn't in
the stump?

						- k
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From: Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ewan Tempero)
Subject: Re: Pet driving hates (was Re: Holiday Road Period)
Reply-To: Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:16:37 GMT


Martin Hunt writes:
> What pet hates have other people got about the driving of others?

Oh goody, what an opportunity. My pet peeve is similar but different
many others that have already replied to this request: use of indicators.
However, unlike the others, I'm not only annoyed at their non-use, but
also with their use!

Here's the situation (Wellington drivers will be able to name half-a-dozen
such situations on their normal route to work)

			
   -----------------------------------------

                            - - - - - - - - -
                         /  ||__       <<--- A
                        |
   ---------------- /         /--------------
                   |  ^ |    | (Sign: Straight through Give Way)
                   |  B      |
                   |    |    |
                        ^
		        centre line

According to my copy of the Road Code, you must signal whenever
you turn *away from the centre line*. That means in the example A,
the car is "turning" and so should indicate. The number of times
I've been stuck behind someone slowing down for that corner who
isn't signaling but turns out to be going straight throught.

Then of course, you'll see vehicles like B who *will* signal (today
it was a bus. This bus later stopped at a bus stopped without any
indication it was going to do so).

Now you might argue that these people aren't really causing any
problems (especially B) but to me this behaviour indicates that
these drivers do not know how to drive -- and I only shudder to
think what else they don't know that will cause an accident
some time.

(Regular readers will have seen particular diatribe from me
before. You think I was going to miss a perfectly good opportunity
to rant and rave about it again??! :-)

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Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:25:31 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1993Jan11.043936.17008@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Jeremy Gibbons) writes:
>In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
>
>>1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
>>the right? 
>
>To smooth the journey out. The less braking, accelerating and turning you
>have to do, the less tired and inattentive you will be. Often you have a
>tight right-hand bend to make, which is easier to make if you can use the
>wrong side of the road. 

Actually this is false.  If you are tired and relaxed you become inattentive.
If you keep yourself alert by braking and manouvering you may get more 
fatigued by the end of the journey but are less likely to fall asleep.

Have you ever found yourself feeling drowsy at the wheel?  Assuming you start
out equally tired where are you more likely to feel those lids getting heavier:
a) The Matamata straights 
b) A really windy road through the mountains with a steep drop to the side 
   and only a couple of sticks between you and oblivion.


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Subject: RE: CLEAR VS. TELECOM
From: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: jonathan.mosen@oosight.status.gen.nz (Jonathan Mosen) 
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Organization: OUT OF SIGHT BBS, Auckland, New Zealand, 64-9-298-3805

tom@thegrove.welly.gen.nz (Peter Browne) writes
 PB> I think you can do the same thing with telebank run by 
 PB> Trustbank? Don't know tho as I use PSIS telebank system to pay 
 PB> mine! 

I was speaking to a Branch Manager of Trustbank a few months ago, and 
he gave the impression that their telebanking system wasn't automated.  
You apparently speak to an operator.

Is the PSIS system a good one?  The ASB's system tends to be a little 
problematic when it comes to interpreting some of the touch-tones,  
particularly the 0, although attempts have been made to speed the thing 
up recently.

Jonathan

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From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)
Subject: Re: Holiday Road Period
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:19:46 GMT
Organization: InForm Group Ltd.

In article <H.ea.B3hrEmCAM86@yonder.equinox.gen.nz>, craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
> In <1993Jan7.221101.1905@gaya.gp.co.nz>, Martin D. Hunt writes:
> 
> >1. Why do people have to come over the centre line when the road curves to 
> >the right? Drivers seem to particularly like to do this on blind corners. 
> 
> I do this, but only if there is no other traffic in either direction,
>  and only if I have a clear view for miles. I know it's illegal,
>  but if there's no other cars around at all, it smooves out all those
>  curves and makes the curve safer.
> 

When there's no traffic, or when you can't see any traffic? There is a
difference you know. It's illegal for a reason. Ever seen some of these low
sports cars? They can hide below fences and trees and you won't even see them
and think you've got a clear run. Or maybe someone comes round a corner fast
and catches you out.

And how can being on the wrong side of the road "make the curve safer"? If you
mean you don't have to push the laws of physics as hard to go round the corner
at the same speed, then maybe you should slow down or get a better handling
vehicle or learn to drive and take better lines through corners on your own
side of the road.

I'd be too ashamed to post a confession like this to nz.general.

Flame mode off.

Mike

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From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Re: TV Cricket
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:20:18 +1200

In <1993Jan9.221439.1907@gaya.gp.co.nz>, Martin D. Hunt writes:
>Has anyone else noticed how much more pleasant the tv cricket coverage is 
>this season without Henry Blofield commenting on "how marvellous this stump 
>vision is" (sorry, can't get the Pommie accent into my posting) every time 

Don't forget the seagulls !!! He always had a thing for them too.

I haven't actually been following it,I find these long test matches 
 boring (I like the 1 days ones), but I always disliked that guy.

 Craig.


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