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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:24:47 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <19257@mindlink.bc.ca>, Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) writes:
>> Diane Bassett writes:
>> Msg-ID: <64640028@hpcss01.cup.hp.com>
>>
>> I am both a landlord and a responsible pet owner, and I allow my tenants to
>> have pets.  But they have to meet my stringent rules, and they pay an extra
>> security deposit.  So far, it's been very successful.
>>
>  
> You are an honourable exception to what seems to be the rule.  On the other
> hand, I'll take an optimistic outlook and hope that you are on the cutting
> edge of a new trend.
> 
> Desiree Bradley

I'm a landlady too - not by choice, the damned house didn't sell.  Since it was
a large house on an acreage, and since we had kept all kinds of animals there
ranging from chickens to horses to dogs, it didn't seem fair to offer the place
up for rent and then insist on "No Pets."

However, when I began scanning the local paper for an idea of what amount of
rent to charge, I was astounded at the number of acreages listed for rent which
did specify "No Pets."  All those acres of land, and tenants are not allowed to
have any animals on them?

Since it was first time we had been landlords, I checked a number of books out
of the library on How To Be the Perfect Landlord, and one in particular made a
lot of sense.  The author strongly recommended allowing tenants to keep pets,
for two reasons:

1.  They will pay a higher rent willingly, since it's hard to find anywhere
which will allow pets.  The higher rent can help offset any damage caused by
the pets, though that may be covered by the security deposit.

2.  They will stay longer than the average tenant, for the same reason as 
in #1.

The author had done a lot of research into this, and owned stacks of property
over many years, and said this held true for him.

He did, however, recommend getting tenants to sign a Pet Agreement, specifying
what animal(s) can be kept, how many, what size, etc, and insisting that any
change in the pet ownership (adding pets) be authorized by the landlord in 
writing first.

On the other side of the coin, the author of another of the landlording 
books strongly recommended AGAINST allowing pets, and told a couple of 
stories illustrating why - one was of an old and incontinent dog who ruined 
an entire houseful of carpet, all of which had to be replaced when the 
tenants moved out.

It just didn't make sense to me to ban pets in a property where my family and 
I had kept 10+ dogs, a cat or two, a budgie, a canary, assorted mice and 
hamsters, tanks of fish, and even had bantam chickens hatching eggs in the 
garage.  Check back with me how I feel when the present tenants (who have 
three dogs) move out!  I may have changed my mind... 

Stef
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Breeding info
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:21:50 GMT

In <1993Jan8.162747.24938@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:

>In article <2B4CBC1F.724@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>=
>= This helps to explain hybrid vigor by the way.  You know, the notion
>= that a mongrel, or a cross, is "healthier" than a pure-bred dog.  If
>= you take two pure-bred dogs and linebreed them, recessive traits tend
>= to be manifested more often because the dogs are both likely to carry
>= them.  But if you've done your homework right, it's only one or two
>= recessives.  If you breed two unrelated dogs, then it's more likely

>Just one comment:  My understanding is that recessive traits can be
>bad *or* good.  It is the bad recessives that you want to
>eliminate.  In the simple (monogenic) case, if you breed two dogs
>with the recessive you guarantee that the pups will have that
>trait, be it good or be it bad.

Good point.  I was thinking more in terms of "recessives are tricky
because you can't tell when you have carriers".  If that recessive is
bad, then you get a nasty surprise when the recessive finally comes out.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

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In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: wenzel@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Patricia Wenzel)
Subject: Re: Weird habits
Originator: wenzel@pogo.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:34:20 GMT


This isn't exactly a weird habit -- more a weird "expression".

We used to have an English Setter and kept one of her puppies
fathered by a golden retriever (the best dog I've ever had the
pleasure of knowing!).  Anyway, they both had floppy ears
but very expressive eyebrows!

Our current companion is a german shepherd/collie cross who
has the most expressive ears I've ever seen on a dog.  We've
not been able to read all of the expressions yet.  My favorite
is full alert where the ears are both facing forward.
When he greets us at night, both ears are tucked tightly back
against his head; we think this means he's happy!
 When he's frumping, both ears sort of go out
to the side and generally he's laying as flat against the floor
as possible! Then he has times when one ear is up and one
is curled sort of back.  Don't know what that means yet.

Anyone else have a dog who use ears this way?

Patricia W.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lizalee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza L Miller)
Subject: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:32:32 GMT

I promised to send this out right after Christmas and now you have an
idea of how busy I've been.  Sorry about the delay.  

-=lizalee
..........................................................................

Those of you who know and love the Labrador Retriever breed may find this
of interest:  The standard for the breed is being revised by the national
breed club, the LRC (Labrador Retriever Club, Inc.).  The standard of the
breed is an extremely important document.  It serves as a written
description of the breed for newcomers, breeders, and judges alike.  The
LRC is responsible for the content of the breed standard - only the parent
club for a breed can change the AKC standard for that breed.  The new
proposed standard represents some significant changes to the current breed
standard, most notably the addition of disqualifications for various
faults.

If you would like to read the new proposed standard, please send me
email and I will send you a copy by return email.  No matter how you feel
about the new standard, I urge you to become involved and write letters to
both the LRC and the AKC regarding this very important issue.  I would be
happy to provide appropriate addresses.  Your input, whether positive or
negative, is important.  The LRC has a small membership and only that
membership has a vote on this standard revision.  The rest of the Labrador
community needs to express their opinions via their letters.  Three years
ago, the LRC leadership tried to pass another standard revision.  The
overwhelming outpouring of letters from the larger Labrador community, LRC
members and non-members alike, pursuaded the AKC to return the standard to
the LRC for further review.  This decision marked the first time in its
history that the AKC did not accept a revised standard from the parent club
for the breed.  So, you see, your input can make a difference!

Personally, I feel that this standard has both good and bad points.  Sadly,
I feel that the negatives outweigh the positives on this issue.  I plan to
write letters opposing the new standard for several reasons.  If you are
interested in further discussion of this issue, I think it would be best to
discuss it via private email.

Thank you for your time.

-- 
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!      liza@lindy.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Breeding info
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:19:03 GMT

In article <winders-080193150449@macwinders.support.apple.com> winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:
= > 
= > Is this relatively common, for a dog to have at least one common ancestor
= > on both sides within the last 3 or 4 or 5 generations?
= 
= In the show side of the Doberman world, it is unusual to see a pedigree
= that does not have three or four common ancestors.  I am sure this is true
= with most breeds show stock since line breeding and inbreeding are so
= necessary to good breeding program.

Line breeding is also common in field-bred dogs and for the same
reason: to retain desired (and keep out undesired) traits.  That
statement is probably simplistic but I think is basically correct.
The traits not only include appearance but instincts (I know, a
dirty word to some readers of r.p.d :), stamina, ...


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Attack/Guard Shelty
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:19:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan12.141934.4178
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1ikrhuINNa65@shelley.u.washington.edu> taylor@cac.washington.edu writes:
>
>Awhile later, I was standing in my living room talking to a remodeling
>contractor.  Foxy was in a sit stay beside me.  All of a sudden, Foxy
>growled and simultaneously lunged at the contractor.  I grabbed at his
>collar before he made contact with the contractor.  After that, we had to
>close Foxy in a bedroom whenever the contractor was there working.  I
>still don't know why Foxy did that.  
>
This reminds me of a mixed breed my grandparents used to have.  It was very 
protective of the grandchildren, especially when we were small.  If we were
at their house and someone came into the house, they had to get seated.
If everyone kept standing, my grandparents dog thought the newcomer was up 
to no good.  And became very fierce.  However, if my grandparents shook hands
with whoever was at the door and kept standing everything was alright.

schalene
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Breeding info
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:26:23 GMT

In <1993Jan7.100655.590@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>Is this relatively common, for a dog to have at least one common
>ancestor on both sides within the last 3 or 4 or 5 generations?

In show-bred dogs, yup.  Show-dog (and conscientious) breeders want to
know exactly what genes they are working with, and linebreeding is one
way to do this, inbreeding a fast way.  This is why it takes so much
study to make a good breeding -- if you're going to do this, you want
to know what genes are likely to be present.  So if there is a dog
that is a PRA carrier, you don't want to linebreed off of him, for
example.

This helps to explain hybrid vigor by the way.  You know, the notion
that a mongrel, or a cross, is "healthier" than a pure-bred dog.  If
you take two pure-bred dogs and linebreed them, recessive traits tend
to be manifested more often because the dogs are both likely to carry
them.  But if you've done your homework right, it's only one or two
recessives.  If you breed two unrelated dogs, then it's more likely
that for any one recessive, the other dog will have a dominant to mask
it out.  So the puppies of the first cross *are* often healthier.  But
watch out, now, you have *more* hidden recessives in your deck of
genes.  This means that successive generations from the first cross
will degenerate as more of these recessives surface.

Yep, it is bloody well complicated.  That's why I'm not a breeder.  It
takes years of study to know enough so that when you look through a
dog's pedigree you understand what is shown by it.  And each breed has
it's particulars...that's years of study *per breed*!

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: geojohn@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (George Johnson)
Subject: Dachshund breeding
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:47:03 GMT

Hello!
I have a male Dachshund named Brinker who is 6 months old
and the neatest dog I have ever seen (he's mine).  Brinker
has a black and tan coat and long hair and is a miniture.
I have recently had a few comments from people we see on
our walks that Brinker should have a few kids, etc.  This
is my first Dachshund and the first dog I've had of my own
(my family has had a couple of dogs).  Brinker has all his
papers and checks out as being in good health.  Actually,
I would really like to have another puppy like Brinker,
but I don't know anything about breeding dogs.  When (at
what age) should they be bred?  With whom?  Is there a check
that can be done to make sure mom doesn't have any congential
defects?  Am I suppost to charge mom's owners for letting 
Brinker mate with mom?  If you have a Dachshund and know about
this, I would love to here from you.  It really doesn't matter
if Brinker is bred, but I would just like to know what goes
into breeding, and how I might be able to get one of his
kids.

Thanks,
George.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:11:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.212932.15073@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
>
				   <some text deleted>
>
>I remember a discussion months back about "labs that bite!?!"  I don't
>think we would have had nearly as many stories if the question had
>been "goldens that bite?"  I guess I've just never known an aggressive
>or protective golden, although it's a little easier for me to imagine
>a protective one.  Has anyone?

	Unfortunately, I have known and heard of biting goldens, I'm very sorry
to say. I've personally had two of the "go for" my hand. In one case, I was
teaching a class trying to show the owner how to stack her golden. Because I
had the dog's collar in one hand, he didn't get very far in his attempt. In
another case, I was grooming someone's golden. As part of the grooming, I needed
to do his nails. Luckily, I've had enough experience with dogs that this golden
didn't succeed either. So, personally, I've never been bitten, but its only
been because I didn't give these dogs the chance.
	Additionally, I have a friend who's a business manager at two vet
clinics. She said that they are having to muzzle some goldens for routine
procedures such as heartworms tests, vaccinations, etc. She's asked the owners
of these "biting" goldens where they purchased their dogs from, and in each
case the people located their puppy through adds in the newspaper rather than
through breeder referral services, etc.
	So, although the typical golden retriever is one of the least aggressive
breeds around, there are some that at least try to bite. Fortunately, they
are still in the minority. I know that people breed dogs for different reasons:
winning in the show ring, field abiility, high scores in obedience and, of
course, money. But these "biting goldens" do demonstrate that its important to
breed for temperament as well, even in a breed known for its good temperament.

********************************************************************************
Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
********************************************************************************
	       The above opinions are not those of my employer.
********************************************************************************
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dogs and computers
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:03:40 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

About the dogs knowing when it's time to quit on the computer...Opal basically
ignores the computer, but the baby, whose Daddy is a computer programmer now
says Da-da every time she sees a computer!

:)
From: dumont@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Socializing an Old English Sheepdog
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:39:32 PST
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

I need some information on how to "socialize" an OESheepdog.  I recently
purchaed a two year old from a breeder, and though a sweet dog, he is extremely
skitish.
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: co-ownership-how does it work?
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:26:56 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <93010.000428CR7709A@auvm.american.edu> CR7709A@auvm.american.edu
(Christine R. Rasmussen) writes:
>I may have the opportunity to co-own a show-quality dog through a breeder
>friend of mine, but I have some questions.  The way the breeder explained it
to
> me was that I paid no initial fee for the dog.  I would show the dog (hope-
>fully finishing it) and, if it were a bitch, allow the breeder pick of the
>litter upon breeding it, and if it were a dog, allow her to use him for
>breeding purposes at any time.  I would be responsible for any expenses (vet
>bills, etc).  I know these sort  of arrangements are probably each unique, I
>was hoping someone with experience and/or knoweldge about the subject could
>let me know what the good and bad points of this sort of arrangement are.
>
Christine: This sounds like a very equitable arrangement to me. My
co-ownerships usually require an upfront cash investment (usually 1/2 the
outright selling price), plus the other stipulations as above. The only thing
you will want to specify is the actual breeding arrangements. That is, for a
bitch - who picks the stud, who pays the stud fee& shipping fee, when MUST the
bitch be bred & at what age, what vet checks are required before breeding &
who pays, if the bitch whelps only one puppy - who gets it, and other such
questions. Put everyting in writing, and both you & the breeder sign the
contract. And if you are co-owning a male, how often must you breed the male,
who pays for AIs if needed, must you breed to any bitch specified by the
breeder or only those actually owned & in residence with the breeder, must you
get permission to bred him to bitches of your own choice, etc. 

Hope this helps!

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands
-- 
marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: susan@uvmark.uucp (Susan Todhunter - (JWT))
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 16:32:45 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

Appearances count.

Our golden, Rusty, is a ninety-pounder who loves people.  He shows visitors
how happy he is to see them by jumping up against the screen door and 
barking prodigiously.  Friends and family know what this means, and aren't
worried.  Strangers seem less sure.

A UPS man, who had just witnessed Rusty's greeting performance, once literally
ran from our front door as I opened it to pick up the package, screaming,
"Keep that dog away from me!"  Although I don't like to do anything to add
to people's fears or dislike of dogs, I preferred that scenario to the one
where the UPS man just opened the screen door and walked in, while Rusty
was otherwise occupied in the back yard.  (Yes, I do keep the door locked,
but I'd forgotten.)
-- 

  Susan Todhunter
 
  Internet: uvmark!susan@merk.com, UUCP: uunet!merk!uvmark!susan
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dealing with Chewing?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:56:16 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Anne P. Mitchell, JD (shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: She *does* have toys, and I offer them to her whenever I am
: able..although perhaps some toys are more chew-satisfying than others?

Random is a chewer too, and I've found that toys which have a texture similar
to the things she goes for are best.  She was going for clothing, and
shreddables, so I got her a rope bone and and Unreal Lambskin bone.  These
make her very happy.  We have nylabones and kongs around as well, but
Random only wants those when Gaia has them.  Gaia otoh has usually
preferred things like kongs and tennis balls, and has no interest in
Random's soft toys.  

Whenever Random gets something she shouldn't have, I tell her no, then
give her one of her toys and praise her for playing with it.  It seems to
be working, but I do get tired of Random's creativity sometimes. :)

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: amn@sdf.lonestar.org (Andrew Noble)
Subject: Re: Dogs In Peeing Contest
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx..
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:40:21 GMT


RE: Dog's pee'ing on the same area..
 
I believe that it IS a territory marker.  I'm also basing this (reservedly) on
Disney's _Never Cry Wolf_ (? very close if not exact)  anyhow, this guy goes
up to the arctic circle and studies wolves.  He notices that they pee to mark
their territory by scent, and actually does this himself after about 10 cups
of tea...heh.
 
amn
-- 
Andrew Noble   	amn@sdf.Lonestar.ORG
		71165,412 Compu$erve
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I crate my two dogs during the day, and they each have their own crate.  We
use the "cage" kind that is wire rather than the plastic "airline" kind.
Crating them right next to each other seems very comforting to them.  We also
keep the radio on for them during the day.

We could crate them all day, but we have chosen to hire a reliable, very
straight neighborhood boy who comes by our house on his way home from school
each day to come into the garage and let the dogs into the backyard to relieve
themselves.  We pay him slave wages- about $7 a week, for Mon thru Friday
service.  He doesn't have a dog, and ends up giving ours lots of love and
attention.  He has also become a reliable house/pet sitter.  When they're done
with their afternoon romp, he re-crates them and locks up.

My dogs are so used to this routine that they get downright sleepy and
even go into their crates for a snooze on weekends.  I don't think you'd get
this "denning instinct" to kick in as well if you built one big enclosure for
both dogs.....

By the way, the reference to our "dog nanny" being "very straight" was intended
to mean he's not into gangs, drugs, or crime.  It was not intended as a slur
against anyone's sexual preference.  Just for the record.
From: paular@kubiki.Eng.Sun.COM (Paul Arthur)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Mutts
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:26:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: paular@kubiki.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: kubiki

This is from Herb Caen's column in the San Franciso Chronicle 1/11/93:

The word "mongrel" is now politically incorrect, and about time. Sayre Van Young
forwards a FOCUS flyer (that's Friends of the Oakland City Animal Shelter) listing
available dogs at the pound from "purebreds" to "dogs with diverse genetic pools"...

:-) <---- For the humor-impaired 

#include standard_disclaimer.h