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From: kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:44:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology


 
> While we are at it; I think the picture of the screaming Swedish drunkard,
> unable to control himself, in contrast to the cultivated "beer-country" person
> is a myth. Haa anybody ever been abroad and seen drunk Englishmen or Germans ?



May I just remind you about the last European Fotball Championship.
You didn't have to go abroad then to see drunk Englishmen, nor Germans.
You could watch them on your own TV, demolating the centre of Malmoe.


Kjell the Brave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: leeman@daimi.aau.dk (Steen Lehmann)
Subject: Re: More Danes on the line, please!
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:02:27 GMT

kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon) writes:

>Subject says it all.
>The Stockholmers are a majority. ;-)

That's not very surprising. Since the subjects discussed are
Alcoholism in Scandinavia and such, you swedes can discuss
it by yourselves pretty neatly, can't you? :-)

- Steen.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: mtf@saha.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:28:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.103035.13784@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Pellervo Kokkonen (pkokkone@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>:
>: 	genocide: deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial
>: 	political or cultural group  (Merriam-Webster, 1989)
>: 
>I think yes, because Swedish governements did not support but actively
>by differents actions tried to eliminate a group inside their borders.
>It was systematic and delibarated. Genocide is genocide everywqhere,
>or do you think it is more fine or less bad  if it is done in Sweden.

 "Genocide" translates to finnish as "kansanmurha" (a murder of a nation).
Now, tell me, how many forest-finns (or any finns) were physically *murdered*
by the swedish government? Were there any death-camps? Any gas-chambers?

 The fact that the so called "forest-finns" became swedified is NOT a
goddamn genocide! Even if the swedish government (as you claim) did it's
best to speed the process up. Similar things have happened everywhere - 
in Finland it was the saami and the gypsy minorities that were treated this 
way. You are accusing Sweden of _murdering_ a minority! No such thing ever 
took place. You have offended both the swedes and those nations that have 
actually been subject to a true genocide (jews, armenians etc). Unless you 
are a complete idiot (which you probably are all the same), you will now
apologize.
--
Antti Lahelma			GNOTHI SEAUTON       "Common sense is what
mtf@saha.hut.fi  		====== =======        tells you the world
stel@purkki.apu.fi		 TUNNE ITSESI		   is flat."
From: rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:23:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Vanishing Wizard
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic

In soc.culture.nordic, steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:

> >>>>> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:

> > My mistake, I forgot - the train did stop in Bergen.
> > Paradis was just a few miles away - ...

> Whazzat in kilometres? :-) :-)

      few*1.61
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Keskustelua suomalaisten asemasta Ruotsissa
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:57:04
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tiuhti.tik.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: ryyti@jyu.fi's message of Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:46:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.124654.19843@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
   The Finns of Sweden want a similar education system from kindergarden
   to the universities as the swedes have in Finland, nothing less.

If they relly want this, fine. That's up to the Swedes (meaning
citizens and tax-payers of Sweden, including of course those speaking
Finnish) to decide.

Are you however sure, Jarmo, that you won't soon use the argument the
other way around: "Why should the Swedish-speaking minority in Finland
have education in their mother tongue when the Finnish-speaking
minority in Sweden hasn't"?
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Subject: Re: The Finns of Sweden
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.100218.22213@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>the Forest-Finns of Warmland whose genocide was complited 1960's
>by the Swedish administration.

Was this the Final Solution to the Finnish Problem?  How did they do it?  
With traps baited with Koskenkorva?  Poisoned puukkos, so that when it came 
to "inte sk{ra, bara rispa" they poisoned eachother?  I can't wait for the 
details....
From: cczjtw@vax.nott.ac.uk (John Whitehorn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Mari Boine was Pathfinder Soundtrack
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:36:31 GMT
Reply-To: cczjtw@vax.nott.ac.uk (John Whitehorn)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK

Thanks to Morten Andersen Nyg}rd <man@no.unit.solan> for the following
infomation on the singer Mari Boine.

> Well, I don't know who played the soundtrack in Pathfinder. But last night,
> a lappish singer, Mari Boine, performed at Barbican Centre, London. As you
> probably know, a great nordic exhibition takes place at the centre right now.
> So, if you have the possibility to go down there, I'm sure they'd tell you
> where to purchase some Mari Boine records or lappish "joiking" in general.
> (BTW, your spelling is correct. At least in Norwegian. I have no idea how
> it is spelled in lappish...) 
> 
> I don't know if any records are released in the UK. Probably not. But I'm sure
> your record dealer could order some from Norway or any other nordic country.
> 
> Morten.

I tried calling the Barbican Centre, but must have got through to a brain dead
gerbil, she had not heard of Mari Boine or anything Nordic. So having now got
the name of a singer of Joiks, does anyone have any album names/numbers I could
use to order from my local record shop.

	John
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: linnan@silver-surfer.cs.hut.fi (Matti Linnanvuori)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakko
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:27:08 GMT

In <TORKEL.92Nov20115405@isis.sics.se> torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>   3) Tornedalsfinskans st{llning. Detta {r ocks} en meningsfull
>fr}ga, men en fr}ga som bara ang}r svenskarna. Tyv{rr blandas den
>ihop med diverse finska nationalistiska tankeg}ngar som {r
>helt verklighetsfr{mmande och irrelevanta i sammanhanget,
>och som bland annat visat sig i f|rest{llningen att tornedalingarna
>{r finnar.

  The claim that the way the minorities are treated is an internal
affair of a country, has a bad ring for me. It is fully acceptable
that the Finnish state and Finns are concerned about the treatment of
the Finnish minority in Sweden. Likewise, Sweden is interested in
Finland's way of treating the ethnic Swedes.
  "F|rest{llningen att tornedalingarna {r finnar". The Tornedal Finns
are Finns. The present border between Finland and Sweden was
arbitrarily drawn in 1809 along the river Torne. It did not follow any
ethnic border: there used to live Finns on the both sides of the
border. 
  The fact that some Tornedal Finns call their dialect a language
doesn't change the situation. The difference between a dialect and a
language is vague. And even if the Tornedal language was just a close 
relative to Finnish, the Finns would still have the right and the
interest to demand that the Tornedal Finns' language and culture be
cherished by the Swedish state.


--



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From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:30:35 GMT

Pellervo Kokkonen (pkokkone@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov16.145703.6102@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: 
: 	If you continue to use words loosely like this, do not expect
: 	anyone to take you seriously. How do you define genocide. I
: 	suggest you check an English dictionary for that. OK, I did
: 	it for you:
: 
: 	genocide: deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial
: 	political or cultural group  (Merriam-Webster, 1989)

In an article copied c. 2 weeks ago for this newsgroup
 a swedish scientist described
the background in Invandrare och Minoriteter Magazine the
process against the Finns in Northern Sweden, it was delibarate and systematic.
The legislation was directed to eliminate a certain group inside
Sweden's borders, which spoke different language and had other habits.
The Forest Finns case was similar. So you dictionary is right.

: 
: 	I do not think your example qualifies. To all my knowledge 
: 	disappearance of a minority culture within a majority is 
: 	not a genocide. Even if Swedish government deliberately chose 
: 	not to support	Finnish language and it therefore disappeared, 
: 	that is still far from "deliberate and systematic destruction". 
: 
I think yes, because Swedish governements did not support but actively
by differents actions tried to eliminate a group inside their borders.
It was systematic and delibarated. Genocide is genocide everywqhere,
or do you think it is more fine or less bad  if it is done in Sweden.

: 	I have got nothing against ideas about strengthening the status
: 	of minorities languages in the nordic countries. But you sometimes
: 	seem to think that it is the Finnish minorities that are worthy of
: 	protection - for instance deserve a special status in Sweden.
: 	Without any personal reference, these kind of opinions are just
: 	stinking nationalism of the worst kind.

Yes I think. According to your logics Finlandswedes are natinalists because
they want education in swedish. Or have you douple standards?
I do not take these things from my hat,
I follow Swedenfinnish press. I take all from there.
: 
: > You know the Finns has nothing to loose in such a discussion and 
: >some have understood it and react hostile. (I knew it)
: 
I recommend to you Ruotsinsuomalainen, then you see what is this all about.

Terveisi{,
Jarmo
: 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: chavarro@cs.tulane.edu (Mauricio Chavarro)
Subject: Looking for a relative phone number in Stockholm
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:29:53 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-18405]: amor


CAN SOMEONE LOOK AT THE WHITE PAGES PHONE-BOOK IN STOCKHOLM?:

I need to know  a phone number from a relative  living in Stockholm. His name
is Joaquin Martinez. I have the following phone number: 0760-17637. Whenever I 
call, the operator answers me that the number is wrong. He lives in the Marsta 
area. Calling from USA the dialing would be (468) 0760-17637 [?? Is it true ??].

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks regards,

Mauricio H. Chavarro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakko
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:13:20 GMT

In article <ksand-221192175001@wintermute.apple.com>, ksand@apple (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
>Not only that, I'm from 'Pohojanmaa' and it was quite hard to follow
>this Finnish dialect, is it 'Savon murretta'? :-).

Ei sinne p{inkh{{n.  Et sie vissiin tosihaan tainu juuri mith{{n
ymm{rt{{ ko et sie ees sit{ hoksanu mit{ kielt{ mie koitin kirjottaa.
Vaikka emm{ met senth{{n joka paikhaan ruukaa hootakhaan panna nii jo
vain niit{ki sen verran oli ett{ pit{s siitt{ki jotaki hoksata.  Olet
sie vissiin jo aika kauan ollu siel{ ameriikoissa ja muuala kulkumassa
ko sie suomen it{rannikostaki poriset.

//Jyrki
From: bryn@nazgul.sima.sintef.no (Brynjulf Owren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Deaths among orienteers
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:00:20 GMT
Organization: SINTEF Industrial Mathematics

In article <1992Nov15.224908.28588@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
>
>Today it's said in news that even one or two norwegian orienteers have
>died from heart attack, probably caused by the TWAR virus, some three
>years ago. Both had been competing in Sweden.
>
>
Again... it is not a virus...
>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Jan Arne Fagertun, Research Engineer, SINTEF Division Thermodynamics|
>| E-mail: Jan.A.Fagertun@termo.unit.no                                |
>| Phone : +47 7 596890                            Fax  : +47 7 944513 |
>| Mail  : SINTEF/Varmeteknikk, 7034 Trondheim, Norway                 |
>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
Brynjulf


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        Brynjulf.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: md87-mpe@nada.kth.se (Magnus Pettersson)
Subject: Re: Alcoholism in Scandinavia.....
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.084550.26005@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik O"stman) writes:
|> The problem in Sweden is of course that the only majorities that want
|> to restrict alcohol is the majority in the Parliament and maybe a
|> majority of physicians. This goes to show that we base our voting
|> decisions on other issues. It also shows that the implemented,
|> representative democracy should be very humble when it comes to
|> claiming "majority" decisions.

Which reminds me of the EEC-debate...

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! Stockholms Universitet                    !   till !
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Keskustelua suomalaisten asemasta Ruotsissa
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:46:54 GMT

Bertil Jonell (d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:
: 
:   One solution is that the immigrant organizations handle whatever language 
: education they wish to arrange and that the public schools give immigrant
: children *extra* Swedish language education.
: 
:   But you wouldn't like that would you?

The Finns of Sweden want a similar education system from kindergarden
to the universities as the swedes have in Finland, nothing less.
There we have an example which does not produce halvspr}kiga people.
The swedes need not to travel very far to find out a solution for
their entire Finnish population and Finlandswedes can consult how it is
made and works. Why should the Finns of Sweden be satisfied something
less than the Swedes of Finland? No reason.
: 
Jarmo Ryyti
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: English text to Swedish accented English text program wanted
Date: 14 Nov 92 12:14:10 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In article <26446@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
[..]
> "The"		{ BEGIN INW; printf("Zee"); }
[..]
> Interesting : here's a different lex script I pulled off the net last year...
> Again, nothing to do with me!!
> "Th"    printf("D");
> "th"    printf("d");

The guy who wrote the second script obviously knows more about Swedish
accented English than the guy who wrote the first one.  

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,alt.sources.wanted,alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork
From: tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne)
Subject: Re: English text to Swedish accented English text program wanted
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:14:21 GMT

In article <mortenk.75.721870685@dhhalden.no> mortenk@dhhalden.no (MORTEN KNUDSEN) writes:
>
>I get a 'Unknown symbol: _yywrap' when compiling with 'cc -ll -o'. Anybody 
>know why?

Thees heelped me.  Poot dee '-ll' at dee end oof the coompiler command.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Restraunts
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:04:21 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <1992Nov23.222709.12670@cheshire.oxy.edu>,
servant@cheshire.oxy.edu (Jedidiah Jon Palosaari) wrote:
> 
>  Hi, I'm trying to find any Finnish or Nordic restuarnts in the L.A.
> area.  Can anyone reply concerning this?  Thanks

Visit Solveng, about 30 miles north of Santa Barbara. That's
a town full of Danes!

Kent
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fslsh@ocs01.lerc.nasa.gov (Lennart S Hultgren)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:20:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.073439.3662@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Bertil Jonell (d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:
>: In article <WALVER.92Nov13084010@kielo.uta.fi> walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta) writes:
>: >) Why not? I've seen number of threads here in soc.culture.nordic
>: >) in Swedish about Swedish matters
>: >d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes in soc.culture.nordic:
>: >> Complain to the author of most of them then: J*rmo Ryyti
>: >        Most of what?
>: 
>:   Most of the recent threads in Swedish, have been started, in Swedish, by
>: J*rmo Ryyti.
>: 
>: >	I think it's all right to have the message threads
>: >        in Swedish in soc.culture.nordic, but so should it be all right
>: >        to have the threads in Finnish as well.
>: 
>:   Sure, but note that I've responded in English to the posts in Swedish, just
>: because a large part of the readership here don't speak Swedish.
>
>Yeah, I have started using recently swedish in this group and I am called
>a swedefobe
>My opinion is that in soc. culture . nordic nordic languages should be
>used. It is not my responsibility or shame if people do not know foreign
>languages for instance in the States..

Please remember that soc.culture.... are *all* international news
groups and thus you should communicate in a language that is widely
understood.  This is so in particular if you want your points of view
to have any impact -- if not you may well just be wasting your time
and bandwidth :-).
 
> I use to follow sometimes french, german and russian group and
>in those groups french, german and russian is widely used. Nordic group
>should use swedish, norwegian, finnish, danish,icelandic, saami etc.
>and those who cannot understand should blame themselves  and start learning
>languages. I just wonder if someone is interested in Nordic culture but do not
>want to know the languages spoken in the Nordic countries. 

It is quite clear to me that it would be impossible for anyone to get
some understanding (and maybe tolerance) of different cultures if one
has to learn each and every language on this planet earth in order to
do so.

>And I just like
>to point out to our american friends that finnish is after swedish most
>spoken language in the Nordic countries.
>The Nordic netters should rise their profile a little in this sence I think.
>

If you want to communicate in a scandinavian language there probably
are (if not there should be) se.... fi.... dk..... no..... etc. news
groups that are apropriate.

>
>Regards,
>jarmo



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: k39587m@taltta.hut.fi (Mikko K{m{r{inen)
Subject: Re: Stockholmers rule! (Was: More Danes...)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:41:02 GMT

euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman) writes:
>Subject says it all.

Yep. The most expensive city in the world?

Paid 20 SKr for a tiny cup of coffee.



             Mikko K{m{r{inen    !     Radioactive cats 
	          TKK / KoIII    !     have 18 half-lives.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: haavardf@gluon.uio.no (Haavard Fosseng)
Subject: Re: Home language - native language
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:18:48 GMT

In article <nkjrm.28@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:

   First one should make a distinction between countries with only one
   official language like Sweden and Denmark (I know nothing about the latter)
   and countries which are officially multilingual like Finland (Swedish and
   Finnish) and Norway (bokmaal and nynorsk). On purpose, I do not discuss
   languages like the Saami languages, Tornedal and Finnskog Finnish, German (
   in Slesvig) nor Romani(Gypsy language) which are all native languages in 
   Scandinavia but which have had a weak official status if any at all.

Bokmaal and nynorsk are *not* different languages. They are two different
orthographic/grammatic standards for written Norwegian.

Also, I vaguely seem to remember that people with sami as their mother tongue
are entitled to conduct their correspondense with the authorities in sami.
(I could be wrong about this, though.)


H}vard Fosseng
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish crown is floating
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:25:22 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov20.060435.14322@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Well, it happened as I told, swedish crown is devaluated, by letting
                   ^^^^^^^^^
>it "float" on international currency markets.

>Bank of Sweden stubbornly did not believe
>this and "burned" milliards of crowns for supporting crown, all in vain.

  Are you a megalomaniac or are you just simulating?

>You know in a short run it had been good for Finland if Sweden had not
>devaluated because Finland is exporting at this moment more than ever in her
>history,

  When you have lost 25% of your export market in one fell blow?

>Regards,

  Well, how about posting to talk.politics.middle-east and soc.culture.jewish?

>Jarmo Ryyti

  "Skadegl{djen {r den enda sanna gl{djen"

-bertil-
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