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From: alex@doris.par.univie.ac.at (Alex Celic)
Subject: Re: There is only Croatian and Serbian
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:23:42 GMT

In article <johnm.726997669@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au>, johnm@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Males) writes:
|> In <C0sy3D.FKv@ns1.nodak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <johnm.726891894@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au> johnm@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Males) writes:
|> >>In <ll68jbINNfrb@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
|> >>>    Nearly identical, like UK and US English?
|> 
|> >>I would put them somewhere between 2 and 3, depending on your circumstance.
|> >>As languages by themselves, they are similar but quite different. Serbian
|> >>uses the Cyrillic alphabet, Croatian uses the Roman alphabet. The word usage
|> >>and grammatical constructs also differ between the two languages considerably,
|> >>to the point where I (as a Croatian speaker) have great difficulty
|> >>understanding someone who speaks Serbian. 
|> 
|> >I would tend to conclude that you are pretty bad language speaker if you can
|> >not (or do not want to) understnad 'Serbian'.
|> 
|> My Croatian is far from perfect, but I have been speaking it all my life and
|> have studied it for  10 years, some as a very young person, then at high school,
|> and now starting at the tertiary level.
|> 

Well, I just want to be fair: I (allso as a Croatian speaker) really don't have  ANY
problems whith understanding the Serbian language - even the real sophisticated texts!

I can't even understand HOW can anybody have any problems whith it (no offence, John!)

Alex.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.croatia:498 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1355 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10683
From: zorro@cats.ucsc.edu (zorro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: There is only Croatian and Serbian
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:28:50 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu



I've always thought the lj made mleko sound funny but that was about the only
preblem i had with "Croatian". Really, If you only learn a dialect (such as from
parents) and don't speak with people from other regions you DO have trouble
understanding them. This is true anywhere. Face it, Slavonians speak
different than Dalmatians or Sumadians(?).
-dz
From: barle@central.rutgers.edu (Stanko Barle)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Croat musician on CBS
Keywords: Nenad Bach, peace, music
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:33:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Croat rock musician Nenad Bach will be featured on
CBS "Entertainment Tonight" magazine this weekend.
In New York, the feature will be aired on Saturday,
January 23, at 11:30 PM. Check your local listing
for actual broadcast time.

Rockworld, the Sony Music distributed label, released
Nenad's CD and video "Can We Go Higher?" on
December 8, 1992. In this all-star anti-war video,
musical artists such as The Indigo Girls, Michael
Penn, Rick Danko and Garth Hudson (of The Band),
Peter Holsapple and Richard Havens donated their
voices. The actors John Malkovich, Martin Sheen,
Michael York, and Ellen Burstyn contributed to the
video with the recitation of inspirational, pro-peace
quotations from such disparate figures as Spinoza,
Chief Seattle, and John Lennon.

Video (US$10.00) and CD (US$7.00 + $3.50 for
shipping and handling) can be obtained from:
	Croatian Information Center
	66-05 Darthmouth Street
	Rego Park, NY 11374
telephone: (718) 263-2540; fax: (718) 263-2455

ALL PROCEEDS of the sale are donated for
humanitarian purposes.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
From: johnm@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (John Males)
Subject: Re: CARNET: Croatia joined the net, or so it seems
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:53:18 GMT

In <Bozicevic-Miran-210193133905@dunham-kstar-node.net.yale.edu> Bozicevic-Miran@yale-edu (Miran Bozicevic) writes:


>Today (Jan. 21) I have received the following messages from my friends at
>Zagreb's PMF (Faculty of Math and Sciences). I have not been able to
>respond; hosts .hr, cromath.math.hr, dns.srce.hr, srcapp.srce.hr and
>srce^Happ.srce.hr are utterly unknown to my mailer. While I'm still trying,
>I enclose the messages, hoping somebody will find them useful in reaching
>Croatia by Email (and then of course teach me how to do the same).

Well, things are beginning to work. I tried "finger @dns.srce.hr", which worked,
but the other sites were unrecognised (for the moment anyway).


John

Xref: sparky soc.culture.croatia:462 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10617 soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1310
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: nesto malo veselije
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:25:51 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.croatia
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

A ja sam cula sledeci vic:

Taman se Mujo ozenio, kad nastade ovaj rat i njega pozovu u vojsku.
On pravo kod komandanta pa kaze:
- Komandante, pusti me kuci, ja sam se taman ozenio. Ne smem zenu da
  ostavim samu...
Komandant mu kaze:
- Ne moze. Vidis da je rat. Svako nam je potreban.
Mujo pocne da moli, da moli, navodi sve razloge...
Komandant iznerviran kaze:
- Dobro, pusticu te na nedelju dana, ali samo ako izvrsis junacko delo.
- Ma ima da izvrsim sta god kazete. Koje junacko delo?
- Pa, na primer da zarobis Srpsko oklopno vozilo! - kaze Komandant
misleci da je tako zavrsio stvar.

Kroz dva sata, evo Muje, vozi Srpsko oklopno vozilo.
Komandant iznenadjen, ali sta se moze, pusti ga na nedelju dana kuci.

Kroz nedelju dana, vrati se Mujo, pa pravo kod Komandanta:
- Komandante, pusti me kuci, opet cu da izvrsim junacko delo.

Komandant mu kaze da ce ga pustiti ako opet zarobi Srpsko oklopno
vozilo. Ali kad je Mujo otisao, posalje dvojicu da ga prate i da vide
kako to on radi. Kroz dva sata, opet ide Mujo vozeci Srpsko oklopno
vozilo. Komandant ga pusti kuci, a onda stane da ispituje onu dvojicu
sta su videli. Kako je moguce da Mujo tako lako zarobi oklopno vozilo?

- Pa, lepo. Mujo uzeo jedno nase oklopno vozilo pa se sa njim primakao 
sve do ivice Srpskih pozicija. Kad se dovoljno primakao stao je, i mi smo
culi sledece:

Mujo: "Pst! Pst! Stojane! Pst! Stojane!"
Sa one strane neko: "Da? Jesi l' to ti, Mujo?"
Mujo: "Ej, 'oces opet da menjamo vozila pa da idemo kucama na nedelju dana?"

.....

Hajde svi da menjamo vozila!!

Ana M. Shane
Xref: sparky soc.culture.croatia:483 rec.sport.misc:1321
From: alex@doris.par.univie.ac.at (Alexander Celic - Student)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: There is only Croatian and Serbian
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:12:20 GMT
Organization: University of Vienna

In article <C0tFK7.Awx@ns1.nodak.edu>, malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic) writes:
|> In article <C0t7vJ.BIw@cs.uiuc.edu> totic@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Aleksandar Totic) writes:
|> >If you really want to prove that two languages are different, why don't you
|> >write a paragraph in Croatian/Serbian, and see if someone speaking supposedly
|> >different language can understand it. If he can, they are the same language.
|> >QED
|> >Aleks
|> 
|> since I am not an language expert, I can only claim the following: the
|> 'understanding' you speak of can not be used to prove either way. Remember -
|> British/Australian/American version of one languages are QUITE different,
|> specially if add a 'slang'.
|> 
|> Nik
|> --
|> -- 
|> Nikola Malenovic
|> malenovi@agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu


Well, Nik, I think that nobody ever said those two languages are IDENTICAL. They just
can be seen as two VERY close versions of one language - that's what I think was the
point of Aleks.

Sorry if I came with this letter a little bit too late - I've just found this group!


Have a nice day, Alex.
From: tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI (TERVI| MARKO J)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Solution for "krajina"
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:15:39 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre



    Here's one proposition for a solution in the Serb-occupied Croatia.
I admit it's not realistic in the present situation but it should be thought-
provoking.

:   Have Serbia draw a plan for Kosovo and apply it in Serb-predominated 
areas in Croatia (as before ethnic cleansing).  If Serbia decides to give 
Kosovo some sort of territorial autonomy, then so be it in Krajina. If 
street signs are also/only in Albanian in Kosovo, then so be it with Serbian 
in Krajina, etc. etc.  
   
   This could turn the cycle of ethnic oppression in the Balkans.  The 
present rule of thumb "let's do to others what others do to us" could be 
applied in a positive way.  But, of course this proposition wouldn't make 
any sense to anyone who considers non-Serbs/whatever nationality  outright 
inferior - "why should THEY have the same right that belong US by God.
:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: alex@doris.par.univie.ac.at (Alex Celic)
Subject: Re: There is only Croatian and Serbian
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:12:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.093308@IASTATE.EDU>, maledvij@IASTATE.EDU (Marko A Ledvij) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan17.215353.12786@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
|> writes:
|> > So? What does a Serb borned and raised in Zagreb speak? A Croat
|> > borned and raised in Belgrade?
|> 
|> If the Serb is still in Zagreb, and the Croat in Belgrade,
|> I doubt that they speak at all.
|> 
|> 
|> > -- 
|> > Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
|> 
|> ML

Dear ML, 

The question is a good one, but your answer is really not funny!
Please, don't send such mail any more - it just takes space on the hard !

Alex.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.croatia:510 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10727
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Western-born emigres
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:17:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.croatia
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Samir Matanic writes:


>  So, you don't like my citation, huh?  The truth really stings doesn't 
>it.  That citation explains perfectly what the Serbian mentality is, and 
>because of that, you can't handle it. You just can't accept the truth, 
>can you Weener? Huh...  Of course you can't.  You're a sick puppy Edward. 
>Only a sick, mentaly disturbed individual such as yourself...



   This speaks for itself as an example of dementia at its worst.
   BTW, your grammar and sentence construction leave a great deal
   to be desired.  One can only hope that you are more eloquent in
   Serbo-Croat. ("Croatian" for the nationalists with axes to grind)

-- Eduard Wiener
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: alex@doris.par.univie.ac.at (Alex Celic)
Subject: Re: There is only Croatian and Serbian
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:38:39 GMT

In article <C0v0ML.KF4@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, abrodnik@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca writes:
|> In article <C0t7vJ.BIw@cs.uiuc.edu> totic@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Aleksandar Totic) writes:
|> >If you really want to prove that two languages are different, why don't you
|> >write a paragraph in Croatian/Serbian, and see if someone speaking supposedly
|> >different language can understand it. If he can, they are the same language.
|> 
|> Well, let me try with a single word. What does it (in English) mean:
|> 
|> 			    >>munjosprem<<
|> 
|> Andrej;-)


Bad example, this word is a new one in Croatian language - even I had difficulties whith
understanding what it could mean (a 'batterie' perhaps?)

But, let's see some more new words (well, some of them are not really a official - but
they sound funny. English-speaking fellows - sorry, it's not possible to translate!)


Zrakomlat  - helikopter
Ukrudba    - erekcija
Olabavidba - impotencija
Umocba     - seva (sex)
Promicba 
    umocbe - prva seva (prvi sex)
Muzeloznik - peder (OVA je garantirano sluzbena - nasao sam je u novom rijecniku!)
Joystick   - svesmjer               \
Assembler  - sakupljac, sabirnik     | Ove su mi posebno 'drage' - SVE su sluzbene !!!
Software   - napudba                /

Ima jos puno - treba samo kupiti Vjesnik ili Vecernji List - tamo se uvodi vecina novih
rijeci 'u opticaj'


Alex.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:00:30 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Anyone know where I can get...

Does anyone know where I can get a Croatian folk costume from
my region of Hercegovina? I would greatly appreciate any info.

-Cro
Xref: sparky soc.men:23444 alt.abortion.inequity:6755
From: garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Back to responsibility
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:18:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1993Jan27.233020.10389@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
......
> 
> A right to be supported? Yes. A right to get that support from a particular 
> source or sources? Why? What's the justification? Does it really matter to 
> the child whether his or next meal is paid for by Mommy's greenbacks, Daddy's
> greenbacks, taxpayer's greenbacks, or a combination of the above? Seems to
> me that the legislature only has a vital interest in whether the child is
> adequately supported. The question of WHERE that support comes from should
> be settled using common law notions of legal obligation, as I have proposed.
> 
      I would suggest that the first obligated to support the child
      are BOTH of the parents.  (not necessarily equally, but according
      to their ability.)
      Only AFTER it has been shown that the parents do not have the
      capability should society, in general, support the child.

The KEY word, which you seem not to understand is RESPONSIBILITY.

See title!
Xref: sparky soc.men:23446 soc.women:23191
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Gender Discrimination
Date: 28 Jan 1993 07:17:04 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

hillyard@msc.cornell.edu writes:

>The appointment really does smack of tokenism.

Just goes to show you can't win.  If a man gets the job then it's
"sexism".  If a woman gets the job it's "tokenism".  Make up your 
minds folks!
-- 

                                                --  Michal
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From: starbuck@galaxy.ucr.edu (starbuck)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Nice Guy's and the women who dump them
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:01:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1993Jan25.210127.25021@cs.ucla.edu> gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:

[ Comment's I made on Elvis deleted ] 

=For one thing, he had movie producers who were willing to pay lots of
=money to women who acted like they wanted to tear his clothes off.  We
=have no way of knowing how they would have reacted if Elvis had not
=been the big entertainment phenomenon he was, and instead had just
=stuck to playing guitar and singing in small clubs.

It wasn't fake.  It was real.  If you have a chance to see any of the
many original films of his actual performences or hear interviews with 
people, particularly women, who are fans you will see it is for real.  What
ever Elvis was he was original.  

The effect Elvis had on women began in the small clubs.  Movies came latter
(the middle) of his career as an entertainer.  Today another entertainer
exists that has the same emotional effect on women as the "King". 
He has crossed racial and national lines.  His name is Michael Jackson.
Few men have this "thing" what ever it is.  I am sure no one understands it.

starbuck 

PS.  When my daughter was about 10 or 11 she began to tell me about the King
     she had seen on TV.  For a while I just didn't catch on.  Then it hit
     me.  She had seen a documentry on TV about Elvis.  She liked him and
     his music.  A new fan and he is dead.  It sparked my interest in Elvis
     agian after many years of little or none.  I even went out and got
     an Elvis CD.  
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.dads-rights
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: Don's interesting proposition
Followup-To: soc.men,alt.dads-rights
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1993Jan20.143215.29306@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1jkvmeINNkjs@gap.caltech.edu> <C181ut.2G1@cs.psu.edu>
	<1jnmfmINNlqp@gap.caltech.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:45:25 GMT

<In article <1jnmfmINNlqp@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
<beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:

<>Okay, Michal, you have 6 months to find *either* Rich Payne's
<>birth certificate or my son's birth certificate.  Otherwise I
<>claim the right to adopt your first child against your wishes.

<An interesting proposition.  What if it is against my husband's 
<wishes?
 
	What difference does it make what some "dangler" wishes,
	right, Peri?


Xref: sparky soc.men:23318 talk.rape:3144
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.men,talk.rape
Subject: Re: Drunk Sex = Rape?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:34:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan26.163451.22072
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1993Jan26.104822.15402@news.cs.indiana.edu> "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <012593110444dude@losers.hacktic.nl> dude@losers.hacktic.nl (Dude) writes:
>>True, but taking advantage of someone when he/she is drunk something else..
>>When a man is drunk, and I take his money, it's a crime. When a woman gets
>>drunk, and I rape her, it's a crime.

When a man is drunk at hits and kill someone with a car he is responsible
for manslaughter!!!!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Totally agree 100% fo the following!  Thank you for saying it!

Bil Snodgrass III


>But as someone else said, if that person, in their drunken state,
>hands you their wallet and says, "Take it" without threat or coercion,
>then it's their own stupidity, and they are responsible for it! 
>
>>There's a difference between raping someone and sleeping with someone..
>
>Let's clarify here... Do you agree or disagree with the following:
>
>Having sex with someone who consents is not rape. 
>Having sex with someone who consents and has been drinking is not
>rape.  
>Forcing someone who has not been drinking to have sex is rape. 
>Forcing someone who has been drinking to have sex is rape.
>Having sex with someone who is unconscious is rape. 
>A woman, when drinking, renders herself totally incapacitated in the
>eyes of the law and has no capacity to make decisions that she should
>then be held responsible for.  
>
>amy
>-- 
>alyoung@kiwi.indiana.edu	        	Occupation:  Lifetime Student
>*****************************************************************************
>*This post was made on personal time and has nothing to do whatsoever with  *
>*              the attitudes or opinions of Indiana University.             *
>*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.feminism
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Privacy -- and responsibility
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:39:00 GMT

In article <C13y4J.8u0@newcastle.ac.uk> Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes:
>kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>
>>A woman can abort after conception occurs, thus achieving a) physical removal
>>of the fetus, and b) discharge of all child support liabilities. Sounds pretty
>>damned close to "responsibility free" to me.
>
>If you think there are no responsibilities associated with abortion,
>then I suppose so.

Compare it to the alternative, i.e. carrying the child to term.

>>Why does a man have no equivalent to choice (b)?
>
>Well now; consider the case where (b) is the only reason for a woman
>to have an abortion.  That is, there are no rapes, no congenital
>defects, no pain or possible medical problems for the mother or
>child-to-be.  Do you think such a society would make abortion
>legal or illegal?  If the latter, it suggests that (b) is not
>considered sufficient reason for abortion.

Hmmm... neither (a) nor (b) were offered as JUSTIFICATIONS of abortion 
availability, they were cited as BENEFITS thereof. Why should the man be 
denied the separable benefits of abortion availability that apply to him? 
Certainly (a) is of null applicability to him, but why deny him (b)?

							- Kevin
Xref: sparky soc.men:23086 alt.abortion.inequity:6654 alt.feminism:7502
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Privacy -- and responsibility
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:03:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

>In article <1jkhsiINNese@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>>
>>Not so.  According to The Economist (Christmas issue, 1992) usually the 
>>woman's standard of living drops after divorce.  Often that of the man 
>>rises.

>So what?  The salient question is this:

>	Did her standard of living <rise> when she got married?  If so, then
>	she has <returned> to her former standard of living, and has not
>	been screwed in any way.

No, actually the salient question would be: how does her post-divorce
standard of living compare to (1) what her standard of living would
be in the present if she had never married; and (2) what her standard
of living would be in the present if she had stayed married.

Unfortunately, as with most "what-if"s, the answers to this question
is impossible to ascertain.
-- 

                                                --  Michal
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Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.feminism,soc.singles
From: "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Drunk Sex = Rape ? (was Re: Mysogynist Bullshit)
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:30:35 -0500

In article <1993Jan26.004301.29350@erg.sri.com> rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent) writes:
>The standard bogus explanation for marital exceptions to rape law that
>I've always heard is that both parties gave consent during the
>marriage ceremony to all further sexual activity. I've never heard the
>property argument from anyone that didn't have an axe to grind.

Well then this is a first for you. 

amy
-- 
alyoung@kiwi.indiana.edu	        	Occupation:  Lifetime Student
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*              the attitudes or opinions of Indiana University.             *
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Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: bodily autonomy
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:23:50 GMT

peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:

>I don't see how compelling a NCP to support a child violates his/her
>bodily autonomy.

Would compelling *you* to pay for *my* child violate your bodily autonomy?

That is, would it be a physical restriction on you if you were given
the choice to:  (1) work 40 hours per week and give me 1/4 your salary;
or (2) sit in jail?


My question reflects whether this would be a physical/bodily restriction
on you, not whether you should be forced to do so, Michal.

Don
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beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: soc.men,talk.rape