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From: C11815@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Josette Giacobbi)
Subject: Re: Cat freaks at vet's!
Organization: Motorola
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:40:12 CDT

Re: your cats at the vets - My Sam does that also. I asked the vet (whom
we have been going to for 11 years, if all of his patients are afraid of
him. He said yes. He said he has a dog and if his wife and children take
the dog places he is fine.  When the dog gets into the car with the vet,
the dog is terrified because he knows he is going to the VETS!!!  I thought
that was a good one.  josette
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rdosser@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (rdosser)
Subject: Kitty Klaws
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:28:50 GMT


Who has some advice on trimming cat claws? My boys are a menace to the
woodwork and carpet, not to mention themselves.
Thanks

rdosser@utkux.utk.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: Re: fraidy cat
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:26:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.193645.7352@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>they'd *never* come around strangers.  Well, about 3 am, I was thoroughly
>explored and purred at...  The vet and her husband tell me that those cats
>have been much more willing to try new people now that they found the first
>stranger knew where cats need to be scratched...
>
>Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI


If you have some trade secrets on where cats need to be scratched,
let'em out of the bag...

Jim Hoskins  Horticulture/OSU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Declawing older cats
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:10:41 GMT

In article <BvpFqp.LM0@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>Bruce Tachoir <KGBAT@ASUACAD.BITNET> wrote:
>> Has anyone ever had to have an older cat declawed? 
>
>How about just giving the cats to the pound in the hope that they find an
>owner who cares more about them than his furniture?  

For Pete's sake - can we *please* keep the vitriol out of this discussion? 
It comes up regularly on this group, and I'm getting really tired of reading 
the flames. I bet others are too.

>No cat adjusts to this amputation, 

Whether or not the act itself is a cruel one, there has been ample evidence 
posted by owners of declawed cats to indicate this is not universally true.

If you have to respond with an opinion like this, please email it.

To the original poster: you should read the group's FAQ. There is a good -
noninflammatory - section on this issue, and alternatives, there.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: nev@Turing.ORG (Niles E. VanDenburg)
Subject: an embarrrassing tail
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:43:22 GMT


The following is being posted by request of a friend :

----------------------------- cut here ----------------------------

  Here's a cute story:

  We have three cats, which we got during two weeks at the end of August.
(My 17 year old died in June, I wanted two but ended up with three cats.)
The first one came to us from my uncle, who got it from somewhere else...
We didn't know much about the cat, but he said he had a boy cat about
2 months old, tabby with beautiful markings.  The vet said he was about
3+ months old, but perfectly healthy.

  We wanted a female playmate, but ended up with two other males, Prince
an all-white, angora-like long hair, about a year old now, from the SPCA,
beautiful and sweet.  We had him neutered almost immediately.  Last, we
got Jersey, our trouble maker, 3 months old now, cross between papered
Russian Blue and a tabby, cute but a real terror.

  Well, I have been battling fleas and the little guy is too young for
a collar or to be dipped and he's the one who brought the fleas.  So I
have to give them all baby shampoo baths periodically (what a job!).
Anyway, last night, after their bath and flea combing, I was sitting in
the living room and all three cats were there on the floor, still pretty
wet.  Well, Whiskers was acting and moving around just like a female in
heat.  Not only that, but Prince was making moves as if he were trying to
mate him.

  I had never gotten a good look at Whiskers - he keeps his tail so close
and is very private.  So I picked him up and for the first time he let
me really look.  And he is a SHE!  I can't believe I, who has had cats
all my life, lived in a house with a cat for a month and a half and did
not know it was a female.  And even bathed her three or more times, too!
After all, my uncle said it was a male.  The vet never corrected us on
either visit.  Why should I check?  I had wondered why HE was so slight
for a male, though.

  We have them separated for the time being, since it gets the boys all
riled up.  Prince tries, but keeps turning towards his back end as
if asking "what is the matter back there?"  Little jersey climbs on and
tries his best, but he's only about two thirds the size of 'Whiskers'.
I don't want any kittens (thankfully Jersey is too young now) and I don't
want to explain all the details of everything that is going on to my 8
year old.  I'll call the vet today to see when she can be spayed.  We may
change her name now too...

  (I'll never live this one down.)


Jill M. Willson
willson_j@cho006.dnet.ge.com			1614 Rickey Rd
willson_j@cho006.cho.ge.com			Charlottesville, VA  22901

------------------------------- end ----------------------------------

Please mail comments to above email address if desired or follow-up as
you wish but please don't reply to this account.

-- 
Niles VanDenburg
nev@turing.org
niles_v@cho000.cho.ge.com
niles_v@cho000.dnet.ge.com
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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Herbal repellants?
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 20:06:52 GMT

In article <Bw7w3H.8op@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.150334.2380@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>>In article <ejmdwbu@Unify.Com> ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
>>>Can you recommend something to repel spiders?
>>A cat! :-)
>I've never seen our cats chasing Spiders, but cockroaches and crickets beware!
>(And they leave their little bodies as a warning to others of their ilk near
>the doors)

Not Boots. Anything Boots kills (and insects are about all she can catch), 
Boots eats. Unless it was already dead, in which case she just bats it around 
the floor ...
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat owner once more, a follow-up
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:21:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.1931
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1992Oct6.191618.6431@APS.Atex.Kodak.COM>,
janeg@aeolus.epps.kodak.com (Jane Gibbs) writes:

> In summary, timing and fate brought me to them. And I feel so very
fortunate. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Jane
> 
> 
> -- 
> ***************************************************************************
> Jane M. Gibbs - Atex Inc., Bedford, MA - the usual disclaimers apply   
> Internet: janeg@aeolus.atex.kodak.com  Voice: 508-670-3127       
> *************************************************************************** 
>  
Congrats on your new family, Jane!  Your story of how the three of you came
together was wonderful...made me feel good.

					Peggy

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From: judyb@waldo.asd.sgi.com (Judy Bergwerk)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Brushing cats teeth
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:38:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: waldo.asd.sgi.com

Have any of you out there tried this?  My one year old cat Lola went
to the vet yesterday for her booster shots.  He suggested that I try
brushing her teeth with this special malt flavored stuff.  I didn't
think that she'd let me, but I figured I would give it a try.

First I put a bit on my finger and let her lick it off.  YUMMY, she
wanted more.  So I dabbed a bit on the brush, and tried to open her
mouth.  She went through the most amazing tongue contortions trying to
lick the stuff off the mini toothbrush while I was trying to brush her
teeth with it!  I had to give it up I was laughing so hard.

BTW, Lola gets the good sport award.  After procrastinating for 4
months, last Saturday I finally flea bombed the house.  Lola has never
been outsided, and had to be on a harness for a few hours while the
bomb did its stuff.  She did not like being outside.  It's funny,
she's spend that last year staring at the back deck through the screen
door.  She hated being on the other side!  I finally gave her a box to
hide in.  She was much happier.  Once we got inside, I gave her her
first bath.  She tried to wiggle away a few times, but basically put
up with everthing like a real trooper.  Her only balk was at the hair
dryer - NO WAY MOM!  Four days later she went to the vet for all her
shots (including yet another deworming shot - that was the motivation
for the flea bomb stuff).  She handled that like a pro - trying to
melt into the table top.

Regards,
Judy
From: tbryden@acorn.co.uk (Theresa Bryden)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Bullying
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:46:49 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

I have two female cats, Shelly and Morag.  I am told that they came from the
same litter.  When I first brought them home from the shelter they were very
good friends with each other and would sit together and groom each other. 
Slowly, this behaviour has changed and Shelly now growls at Morag whenever
their paths cross.  They have come to blows on a couple of occasions but
Morag tends to keep out of Shelly's way as much as possible eg when Shelly
is in the house Morag goes out.  The situation has worsened in the last few
days - Morag has only eaten a tiny amount of food in the last few days and
is very withdrawn (more so when Shelly is around). 

Both cats are very affectionate towards me but Shelly's dominant behaviour
towards Morag is very worrying.  Do any of you cat experts out there have
any advice ?  

--Theresa
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Subject: Re: HOW LONG CAN A 9-WK. KITTEN BE ALONE?
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:24:00 GMT

|> In article <92280.224343U58100@uicvm.uic.edu> U58100@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
|> >Then someone who is *apparently* knowledgable
|> >about cats said that they have to be 6 months old before they're moved
|> >and that *if* i am going to be away for many hours of the day that it is
|> >actually *kinder* to the cat to lock it in the bathroom with plenty of
|> >toys, food, et.al.  Theoretically he's supposed to feel more "in control"
|> >of his domain or territory...  Intuitively this sounds a little strange to
|> >me, but then, I'm just a paltry human.  Any comments?


I got my kitten when she was seven weeks old.  The first couple of weeks
I kept her in my bedroom while I was at work.  When she started "escaping"
every time I opened the door.  I decided she was comfortable enough to
have the run of the house.  I was also concerned about letting her run
around unsupervised.  The bathroom seems a little extreme to me, but a 
spare bedroom or something is not a bad idea.


	Ann
-- 

Ann M. Davis
amd@space.mit.edu			 "Choose your battles wisely"
MIT Center for Space Research		
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: Need FAQ
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:03:41 GMT

In article <5438@balrog.ctron.com> smith@glinda.ctron.com () writes:
>Would someone please send me the FAQ for this group?
>Much appreciated.

Cindy Tittle Moore  (tittle@ics.uci.edu) submits it regularly to the
moderated group news.answers, where it was posted just this morning.
Check there.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat in Tree, 3 Da
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:04:57 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

:A cat is up in this tree and has been there 3 days.

My father-in-law used to be an RSPCA inspector.
He could tell you a few things about cats up trees!
He reckoned they'd eventually get so hungry they'd overcome their fear.
But the owners could never wait that long.


              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: wlhadley@mwunix.mitre.org (William L. Hadley)
Subject: Re: Farting Kitten
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:40:58 GMT

dgordon@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Gordon) writes:

>Bianca is the friendliest seven month old kitten anywhere (oh yes she 
>is). Trouble is she has a problem that not even her best friends will
>tell her about - she has *THE* most disgusting gas/wind (depending on
>what side of the Atlantic you are) problem. When she farts it is as
>though she has had a serious accident and the smell usually clings to
>her fur for 10 - 15 minutes giving the impression of a dose of the 
>runs that she's forgotten to clean up properly.  :-(
>
>She has been fed on both dry and tinned food - to no avail.

My kitten (Pepper) had this problem too.  We nick-named him Pooh-cat.  Anyway,
I found that feeding him normal Kitten Chow (dry food) helped a great deal.
I was trying different types of dry food before finding that one.  I found that
the kitten food that had dairy products caused him to be more gassy.  Now that
he is a little older, he is over that problem. In fact, he can even drink a 
little saucer of milk without farting us out of house and home!

>  Can
>anyone suggest a cure before I throw up on my nice new lounge carpet ?

While on this subject, Pepper would curl up into a little ball on your chest
when you were lying down and then fart right in your face.  UGH!  Talk about
turning green!  ACK!

Bill
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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Dog fleas != cat fleas?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:25:12 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> *well, there may be worse insect problems... one of our grad students
                             ^^^^^
> something moving on your face."  Checked the mirror and found a mouse
> fur mite...
      ^^^^

Duh!  Mites are arachnids, like spiders.  Make sure brain is engaged... ;-)

Kay
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: AscoltA@dsd.trw.com (AscoltA)
Subject: Re: Help needed to save cat's life
Organization: Comm Services
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:14:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.202121.14579@udel.edu> rob@apache (Rob Jarman) writes:
>From: rob@apache (Rob Jarman)
>Subject: Re: Help needed to save cat's life
>Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:21:21 GMT
>In article <ldom05INNnsr@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> avi@rix.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 1812@udel.edu, rob@apache (Rob Jarman) writes:
>>>there's noone around to catch him. He has had diarrea lately, which could
>>>be his food, but I'm not sure about that. The diarrea is slightly bloody. 
>>>Personally, I think this is the reason he's not using the litter box.
>>>Well, he does use it, he just uses the tub and floor also. 
>>
>>Have you taken this cat to a vet?  If he has bloody diarrea, he's obviously
>>sick and needs to be treated, not thrown out into the woods.  
>>
>>If the litterbox problem is an ongoing one (i.e. not just related to his
>>recent diarrea) you need to look for possible causes and perhaps retrain
>>your cat.  It could be that his litterbox isn't kept clean enough, or that
>>he needs more attention.  Have you tried moving the litterbox into the bath-
>>room for a while?   Have you tried the suggestions in the FAQ section on 
>>litterbox problems?
>>
>>-Ann
>>
>    He's been using the tub for quite awhile, but he's kept it confined to
>the bathroom where his litterbox is. Recently he's moved to the other
>bathroom which is what has my girlfriend so worried. I did look through
>the FAQ list awhile ago, but most of what was in it you have to catch the
>cat in the act to do anything. This cat is not dumb. He knows he's not
>supposed to do it, so he does it when no one is around. 
>
>   I'll check the FAQ again and see if have been any changes to it.
>
>   Thanks. 
Cats can be VERY stubborn.  My cat recently took to the carpet instead of 
his litterbox because I wouldn't let him go outside to play while he healed 
from fight wound.  Then it just became a preferred spot so I moved the cat 
box right on top of it.  Except for the cat box living in the living room 
right now, everything is fine - until his next temper tantrum.  

I agree with everyone else - GET THE CAT TO A VET.  FUS is a possibility 
especially if the cat starts losing its appetite and becoming lethargic.  My 
cat has suffered from it as a result of a heart condition - we think.  It's 
so hard to tell with them.

Once that is straightened out maybe the problem will resolve itself.  If 
not, try some of the litter that is "scoopable".  I've found that cats seem 
to prefer it.  I think it's a little nicer to their paws and since it clumps 
it leave the box a little cleaner.

Denise Dickson
Ascolta
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Farting Kitten
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:34:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Oct14.173425.7656
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct14.123028.25401@gssec.bt.co.uk>, dgordon@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Gordon) writes:
> Bianca is the friendliest seven month old kitten anywhere (oh yes she 
> is). Trouble is she has a problem that not even her best friends will
> tell her about - she has *THE* most disgusting gas/wind (depending on
> what side of the Atlantic you are) problem. When she farts it is as
> though she has had a serious accident and the smell usually clings to
> her fur for 10 - 15 minutes giving the impression of a dose of the 
> runs that she's forgotten to clean up properly.  :-(
> 
> She has been fed on both dry and tinned food - to no avail. Can
> anyone suggest a cure before I throw up on my nice new lounge carpet ?


Three posibilities:

1) lactose intolerance leads to smelly farts (and usually diarrhea).  
Cure is no milk or milk products except yoghurt or cheese, or milk
treated with lactase.

2) bean farts.  Check the ingredients on the food list.  If soybeans
or bean meal is high on the list, switch to a high meat/low soybean
food (more expensive, alas).

3) most probable cause of the three:  worms.  Cure is diagnosis and
proper worm medications.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Declawing older cats
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.171041.10027@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>In article <BvpFqp.LM0@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>>How about just giving the cats to the pound in the hope that they find an
>>owner who cares more about them than his furniture?  
>
>For Pete's sake - can we *please* keep the vitriol out of this discussion? 
>It comes up regularly on this group, and I'm getting really tired of reading 
>the flames. I bet others are too.


I agree completely, Ruth.  I have one clawed and one declawed cat, and
they're both happy well-adjusted cats.  This reminds me of the
argument (usually posed by men) that all abortions cause severe
emotional complications in the women who have them.  That's not true,
either.

I do feel that the operation would be difficult for an older cat, but
I have no real evidence for that assumption.  Abigail was about 6-9
months old and was declawed when she was spayed.  She seemed to heal
nicely from both.  The decision to declaw was made 16 years ago, and
it isn't one I would make again.  However, I don't believe in
condemning someone who wants to do it.  Having a declawed indoor
housecat is, after all, better than not having a cat at all.


--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hui@shiva.trl.OZ.AU (Alvaro Hui)
Subject: cat and baldness!?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:24:45 GMT

Hi,

	I read an article last night on a local newspaper that
someone has done a research on baldness in men (or human). He
concluded that cat usually carries a virus which will cause
baldness in men!! He said baldness has long been assumed to be
a generic-related "disease" but he found that it is also pets
related.........


	Anyway, I am not going to leave my lovely kitty!!

P.S. my cat 'cutety' just lost her 'milk' teeth!!! So I assume
she is now ~6-7 months old. I found that out when I checked her
for fleas a few days ago and came to my surprise there is her
little tooth on her fur.......

Alvaro, Constance & cutety...

a.hui@trl.oz.au
cutety@home.oz.au
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a.hui@trl.oz.au
Synchronous Network Research
TeleCom Research Labortaries Australia.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: Does your ccat do this?
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:14:11 GMT
Followup-To: Does your cat bury food
Summary: Cat Buries Food

My cat Sting "buries" her food every time she eats, even if it is just
a little kibble snack. The dishes are placed on a plastic placemat and
she digs and digs at the edges of it. She is never really happy that
the food doesn't disappear. However, she also buries everyone's food.
If you put a coffee mug on the floor, she saunters over and buries
that. If we are eating in front of the TV in the bedroom, and the
dishes get put on the floor or the bed, she runs over to bury them.
She is more worried about my food supply than hers, because she won't
stop with the people dishes until we remove them from her line of
vision or lavish praise and thanks on her. My other cat, Vera, who is
sixteen years old, has never once done this. Go figure.





Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: smhawkin@quads.uchicago.edu (stephanie mia hawkins)
Subject: re: cat's eye
Reply-To: smhawkin@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:31:58 GMT

oh -- one thing i forgot to mention.  i've been treating the eye 
problem periodically with neobacimyx-h (veterinary antibacterial 
ophthalmic ointment) and that may have helped get rid of some of 
that redness.  

but i'm still stumped as to why his eye is glowing.  it glows in
the way that a cat's eye shines in the dark.  could it just be that
it's dilated???  i don't know much about feline optics.....




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