From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: OCA Initiative (was: Family values defined)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:51:33 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

Richard, thank you for answering the question, and telling us that you do
support the OCA's initiative (Measure 9).  This is quite consistent with your
statement that you wish to be able to terminate employment of any homosexual
that might deal with customers.  Of course you realize that I consider you a
bigot for promoting such intolerant behavior, but that was to be expected.  By
the way, it has also been pointed out that this initiative could easily be
used to deny gays any state licenses which demand "good moral fiber" and the
like, as it would legally declare homosexuality a perversion.  This would
include doctors and lawyers and the like. 

I also want to reply to your rather silly accusation that I have been ignoring
the threats the "opposition" has made to to the OCA:

> Have you forgot to mention the threats the opposition have made
> to those who support the bill?  I've read and heard a little more
> since the last postings.

This is a bit of Red Herring as I never mentioned any threats by anybody at
all, I was only wondering if you supported the OCA initiative.  

But since you have brought up this Red Herring in an attempt to vilify the
opponents of the OCA initiative, let us discuss the violence and threats which
I know about.  The only incident against the OCA supporters I know of is that
someone painted the word "bigot" on the Four Square Church.  On the other hand
the "Opponents of Measure 9" headquarters was broken into, trashed, and the
database of their supporters was stolen.  The same has happened for a Gay
newspaper, and a gay church.  In the last week two more churches have been
heavily vandalized.  A church supportive of gays was broken into, trashed, and
their list of members stolen, and a Catholic church in Hillsborro was first
graffitied, and then broken into, trashed and a fire was set in one of the
offices.  The reason the Catholic church was vandalized was that the
arch-bishop of Portland's arch-dioceses, came out against the measure.  It is
also important to make special note of the membership lists stolen, as people
on those lists have been receiving personal threats and even death threats. 
And of course Richard, even you have heard of the two gay people in Salem
burnt to death by anti-gay bigots. 

As a side note, it is also interesting to note that another church which has
been receiving the same sort of threats, is the church putting on the "Ann
Frank Exhibit".  This makes the the anti-measure 9 slogan: "Who's next?", take
on real meaning. 

So Richard, if you really want to reduce this to an argument of vilifying one
side or the other for its excesses, I believe I can make a much better case
against the "Measure 9" hate mongers, than you can possibly do against the
initiative's opposition. 
 
				Later,

				Dave Butler

    The world is made up, for the most part by fools and knaves, both
    irreconcilable foes to truth: the first being slaves to a blind credulity,
    which we may properly call bigotry, the last too jealous of that power
    they have usurped over the folly and ignorance of others, which the
    establishment of the empire of reason would destroy.
				George Villiers
				English Satirist
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