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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: UGUR MUMCUNUN KATLEDiLMESi
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:14:40 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1993Jan24221332.AA24947@me.unda.edu> kaya@me.unda.edu (Kaya T. Guralp) writes:

>Bundan dort-bes sene once, Hurriyet gazetesinde Iran radyosunun, hakkinda
>olum fermani verdigi insanlarin isimlerini gormustum. Alti kisilik
>liste soyle:

>    1. Tarik Dursun
>    2. Ugur Mumcu
>    3. Cetin Emec
>    4. Bahriye Ucok
>    5. Prof. Ilhan Arsel
>    6. (Altinci ismin kim oldugunu hatirlamiyorum)

> Iran'in ve Suudilerin para destegini alan Islamci hareket katliami
>surduruyor. Bu listeden geriye sadece Ilhan Arsel kaldi. Degerli

Bu konu oldukCa Onemli olduGundan Su sorularI yOneltmek gerekiyor:

a. Bu isimler _iran radyosunda hangi gUn hangi saat hangi programda
yayInlandI ?
b. Bu isimler yalnIzca altI isimden mi oluSuyordu, yoksa bunlarI
kaydeden haberalma yalnIzca 6 ismi mi seCti ?
c. Hangi baGlamda ele alInIyordu; _gUralp "OlUm fermanI" sOz grubunu
mecazi anlamda mI yoksa sOzcUk anlamInda mI kullanmakta ?
d. Hangi haberalma servisi bu mesajI aldI ve HUrriyet gazetesine
aktardI ?
e. HUrriyet gazetesi hangi gUn ve hangi sayfadaki yazIsInda bu haberi
verdi ?
f. EGer buraya kadar hiC bir yanIlgI yoksa, _cumhuriyet savcIlIGIna
neden _iran _cumhuriyeti temsilciliGi hakkInda suC duyurusunda
bulunulmuyor ? 
g. BunlarIn _iran'ca OldUrUldUkleri konusunda yukarIdaki yada benzeri
bulgular varsa, bu, devletlerarasI iliSkilerde savaS yada
karSIlIklI mUeyideler nedenidir. Neden alInmIyor ?

_iki gUn Once _Ozbekistan'da bir takIm temizlikler yapIldI.
_orta Asya kaynIyor. _iki Ulke arasInda gerginlik yaratmak, bu
Ulkelerdeki zenginlikleri tekellerine almak isteyen gUClerin
her olayda _iran'la TUrkiye'yi kapIStIrmaya CalIStIklarInI
dUSUndUGUmUzde yukarIdaki sorularI yanItlamak daha da Onem kazanIyor. 

Net bana dUzensiz ulaStIGIndan yanItIn bir kopyasInI lUtfen e-mail
olarak yollayIn.

Kutluk
From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ugur Mumcu'nun oldurulmesi ve dusunceler
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:25:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester

In article <Jan24.201743.38331@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestro **) writes:
   In article <MUCIT.93Jan24143313@slate.cs.rochester.edu>, mucit@cs.rochester.edu`
   >In article <Jan24.182828.28353@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestr`
   >[stuff deleted]
   >>   80 darbesi sola karsi yapilmisti, yeni olasi darbe
   >>   dinci barbarlara karsi yapilabilir ve ben
   >>   boyle bir darbeyi destekliyorum.
   > 
   >Lufen agzinizdan cikani kulaginiz duysun.  Utanilacak laflar bunlar.

[imzalari sildim]

>   Utanilacak olan sey, slogan fikir ve dusuncelerle statuko'yu
>   savunmaktir..

"Slogan fikir ve dusunce" ile statuko korumak ne demek anlayamadim,
biraz acsaniz diyorum.  Statukodan Turkiye'de mesruiyeti pek tartisilmayacak
bir hukumetin bulunmasini mu anliyoruz?

>   Utanilacak olan, anlamini bilmediginiz guncel
>   populer degerler ve kavramlar hakkinda ahkam kesmeye calismaktir...

Pardon, bir dakika, ben mi yaptim bu isi yoksa genel mi konusuyorsunuz.

>   Ilkokul Hayat Bilgisi'nden ogrenilen demokrasi tanimiyla
>   populism yapmak utanilacak seydir.

Su "Ilkokul Hayat Bilgisi" ne mubarek seymis, izlerini bir turlu
silemiyoruz.  

>   Kendi bagnaz fikirlerinden baska hic birsey ve kimseye yasama
>   hakki tanimayan, fasist islam eylemlerini savunuyor duruma
>   dusmektir utanilacak sey.

Herhalde burada benden bahsedilmiyor.  "Islam fasizmi" fena, "anti-Islam
fasizmi" iyi demekde gulunc herhalde.

>   Darbe korkutucu  birsey degildir, darbesiz "demokrasi"
>   islemedigi zaman, korktugunuz darbe'den cok daha
>   zararli olur..Bu konuda fikir beyan etmeden once
>   bu konularda bilgi edininiz. 

Muhakkak ki ben demokrasi alimi degilim.  Benim hatirladigim kadariyla
rahmetli Mumcu da darbelere karsiydi.  Simdi ben Mumcu'yla ayni
fikirdeyim bu konuda.  Yukarida galiba Mumcu'yu oldurenlerle ayni 
guruba koymustunuz beni.  Su isi bir daha dusunseniz diyorum?

Darbe nicin korkutucu birsey degil?  Hangi durumlarda arzu edilir bir
sey?  Madem ben bu isleri bilmiyorum ve siz biliyorsunuz, beni bir
aydinlativerin lutfen.

>   Maestro Can

BM
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It's not that I'm afraid to die.  I just don't want to be there when it
happens.
		-- Woody Allen
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From: an8172@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Bir deneme yapalum bakalum...
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:23:49 GMT

Bakalum hacan bu meyili gorebilecekmiyuz?  

"Tirabizon'li"

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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: KUTLUK OZGUVENE YANIT
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:12:47 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
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In article <1993Jan26.003529.28703@fuug.fi> an7787@anon.penet.fi writes:
|Sayin Kutluk Ozguven Israilden surulen fundementalist kisilerin terorist olmadigini yazmislar.Zira bu insanlar doktor,muhendis vede isadami imis.Bazilarida
|imammis.Asagidaki gercekler isiginda meslekler ile teroristligin fazla bir iliskisi olmadigini dusunuyorum.
|1.Bosnadaki Sirplarin lideri esasinda doktordur.Bu insanlik suclusu zat terorist
|ten bile asagilik bir hayvandir.BBC'ye gore sairmis.
|2.Katil Dr. Mengele'nin ne oldugunu tartismaya bile gerek yok.
|3.PKK nin basi APO universite mezunudur(Esasinda TC bursu alarak universitede
|okumustur)
|4.Terorist olarak idam edilen Deniz Gecmis ve arkadaslari ODTU de arastirma
|gorevlisiydi
|5.Asala'nin en onemli kademeleri isadami ve okumus seviyedeki insanlardi
|6.Seksen oncesi terorist orgutlerin bircok elamani universite mezunu kisilerdi
|Ben bu Filistinli kisileri tanimam ama sadece mesleklerine bakarak terorist
|degildir denemez.Bu kisiler tarafsiz kaynaklarca nasil degerlendiriliyor ona
|bakmak lazimdir.
|Not:Bosna kasabi hayvanin ismini insan olmadigindan yazmiyorum.Kendisi asagilik
|bir kopektir.Netin seviyesini dusurmemek icin hakkindaki dusunceleri belirtmiyorum.
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Saydiklarinizin terorist olduklari bir gercek. Ancak $unu sormak
isterim. Eger sayilan ki$iler terorist olsa UN dahi Israillilere
adamlari geri almasi icin baski yapar mi? Adamlari keriz mi
zannedersiniz?

Beytullah
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: On Abdurrahman Nuri (A legend's private life...), from SJMercury News
Date: 21 Jan 1993 07:39:29 -0600
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           A legend's private life, private death
                       Paul Hertelendy
                        Music Writer
           San Jose Mercury News, January 20, 1993

 RUDOLF Nureyev left a grand legacy as well as soaring
memories for his fans when he died Jan. 6 at age 54. His
immense artistry was enmeshed with a great defensiveness to
the end. By keeping silent about his illness, he missed many
chances to win support for people with AIDS.
 Although Nureyev's public knew very little about his
personal life, many dancers were aware throughout his three
decades in the West hat he was gay.
 "I wasn't aware that he tried to keep it (his sexual ori-
entation) secret," said San Francisco Ballet Artistic
Director Helgi Tomasson.
 Before defecting from Leningrad's Kirov Ballet in 1961,
however, Nureyev had to hide his true self. In the former
USSR, homosexuality was against the law.
 Nureyev was an outsider from the start at the Kirov, an
ethnic Tartar hailing from a Turkish-Muslim area near the
Urals. According to one report his name had originally been
Abdurrahman Nuri, but was Russianized to Rudolf Nureyev by
the time he got to the Kirov school.
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Ugur Mumucu killed
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:03:19 -0600
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1/24 Bomb Kills Turkish Journalist Ugur Mumcu

   ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A car bomb on Sunday killed a
left-wing Turkish columnist known for his investigation of
the 1981 assassination attempt on Pope Paul II.
   The reporter, Ugur Mumcu, 50, was killed instantly by the
bomb when he started his car outside his apartment in an
upper-class residential district.
   Mumcu, a columnist for the Istanbul daily Cumhuriyet, was
outspoken against Islamic fundamentalism and Kurdish
separatism and was considered an expert on terrorism.
   A group calling itself the Islamic Salvation claimed
responsibility for the bombing in anonymous telephone calls
to newspapers. It was the first time such a group, described
as fundamentalist, had been heard of.
   After the slaying, Premier Suleyman Demirel and several
Cabinet members rushed to Mumcu's house to express their
sympathy to his wife.
   "The killers will be found," Demirel said.
   His government is under fire for failing to apprehend the
killers of other leading secularists, including another
noted journalist and two professors, all slain in the past
three years.
   Mumcu, a vigorous defender of secularism in Turkey, had
reported receiving death threats from extremist Islamic
groups.
   While 99 percent of Turkey's 57 million people are
Muslim, the state is officially secular. But fundamentalist
groups are demanding an Islamic state, and they have become
more influential in recent years.
   Mumcu gained international fame with his books on the
background of the assasination attempt on Pope John Paul II
in Vatican City's St. Peter's Square in May 1981 by the
right-wing Turkish terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca.
   Mumcu said the plot was linked to Bulgarian arms
smugglers.






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The human mind treats a new idea the way the body treats a strange
protein -- it rejects it.
		-- P. Medawar
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"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a bit
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God did not create the world in 7 days; he screwed around for 6 days
and then pulled an all-nighter.
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From: kaya@me.unda.edu (Kaya T. Guralp)
Subject: Dini apologist Remzi is basinda
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:04:01 GMT

Sayin Remzi Cirit hazretleri anlatiyor ki:
------------------------------------------
*>    BOYLE AYRINTILARLA ugrasip, ayrintilarin icinde kaybolmak istemedigimden
*> birde, delillerimiz getirdik ve konuyu tartismak artik istemiyordum.
*> Allah'in
*> resulunun 5 yasindaki biri ile evlenmesi elbette zaten ilahi mesaj uymazdi. 
*> parcalar halinde olayi ele aldigimiz zaman sistem teoricilerinin bir, lafi
*> vardir parcalarin toplami butun degildir diye. Butun parcalar arasindaki
*> Remzi Cirit

Niye istemiyorsun Remzi, kaciyor musun yoksa? Aslinda farkinda misin
bilmiyorum ama ayrintilarla ugrasip, yuzune gozune bulastiran sendin.
Sonra da "ayrintilarla ugrasmak istemiyorum" deyip, kendi kendini
inandiriyorsun.

Isine geldigini kabul edip seni rahatsiz eden olaylari "zindik isi"
diye niteleyip, Buhari, Muslim gibi Islam felsefesinin, doktrininin,
temel yapisini olusturan kitaplarin  yazarlarini yalan olaylari
kitaplarina almakla sucla. Kisacasi isine geldigi gibi yorumla.
Kafani kuma gom, gercekleri gormezlikten gel. Oh ne ala ne ala.

Islamcilarin temel dusuncesi budur. Secmece usulu, armutun iyilerinden
toplarlar. Armutlarin kotuleri onlar icin bir anlam ifade etmez ve
gormezlikten gelirler ve bahsi gecmez. Hz. Muhammed'in savaslarindan
bahsedilirken, kahramanliklar anlatilir, kafirlere karsi nasil savastigi
anlatilir. Ama Muhammed'in Mekke'ye giden kervanlarin onunu kestigi
hic mi hic akillarindan gecmez. Medine'deki Yahudilerin evlerini
basip, herkesi esir ettiginden bahsedilmez. 9 yasindaki cocuklarla
gerdege girdiginden bahsedilmez. Ne bahsedilir peki? Muhammed'in 3 sene giydigi
hirkasi, rehine verilen zirhi anlatilir, insanlar camiilerde ho"ku"rtulu
sekilde aglatilir. Cunku bunlar ayrintidir, butunu meydana getirdiginde
bunlarin onemi yoktur, degil mi Remzi? Sonra, "Haykal 11 yasinda diyo" deyip,
ortbas etmeye calis, kendi imaninin temelini kuran insanlara camur at,
ben en iyisini bilirim, "Ibn Ishak zindik isi diyomus" de.

Bunlar komik ama acinacak seyler.

Remzi, sadece Muhammed'e inanmak yeterli degil, Muhammed'i anlamak da
gerekli.

saygilar
--------
kaya
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Armenian IRC Meeting!
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:06:12 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


 
 
>> Parev gam Barev!
>> 
>> There will be a meeting on IRC this
>> wednesday, 1/13/93 at 7p.m. Pacific
>> time (west coast time) on channel
>> #Hayastan.
>> 
>> Looking forward to seeing you there.
>> 
>> H. Minassian


>        This is Soc.Culture.Turkish; definitely NOT Soc.Culture.Armenian.
>        Go establish your own net to advertise meetings to make up anti
>        Turkish hate propaganda.



   A v takom sluchae, uvazhaemyj Enis,
   pochemu ne zhaluesh'sia ty o vtorzhenii
   Hasana Mutlu v soc.culture.yugoslavia, s.c.soviet, i
   t.p.soviet?

Vsego khoroshego,

Eduard Wiener
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Greece reacts sharply to remarks by Danish foreign minister
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:37:08 GMT

J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:

>I remember an article from the British magazine 'The Spectator' a few
>months back in which one of the correspondents was in Greece and saw a
>poster saying 'Macedonia is Greek'.  The correspondent thought it might
>be more appropriate to add one word to the sign: 'Greek Macedonia is
>Greek'.

 Well, following his logic, the "Republic of Macedonia" would be more
 appropriate to be called "Republic of SOMETHING Macedonia," where the
 word SOMETHING would make clear that this has nothing to do with Greece
 and Greeks. Unfortunatelly, the word "Macedonia" will still be Greek,
 as well as the emblem of their state...

>--Ted Schuerzinger

 Panos Tamamidis
From: emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ugur Mumcu..AP news..
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:07:03 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <93024.193121FL1@psuvm.psu.edu> FL1@psuvm.psu.edu (Erkan Erturk) writes:
>NEWS 1/24/93              PAGE  1 OF  4
>
>   Turkish Journalist Mumcu Slain;
>     Wrote About Shooting Of Pope
>                 ---
>    ANKARA, Turkey - A prominent left-
>wing journalist in Turkey was killed
>Sunday by a bomb planted under his car.
>    Turkey's prime minister pledged the
>killers would be brought to justice.
>    Two Islamic groups, both previously
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>unknown, claimed responsibility.
^^^^^^^^

"previously known"olsa grup sozculeri kendilerinin
yapmadigini aciklardi, "unknown" olmasi boylece
bir yalanlamayi imkansiz kiliyor.

Olayin bir provokayon olarak kullanilmak
istendigi acik. Gelen "gozunuz aydin " mesajlari
ise basariya ulasilmaya baslandiginin bir gostergesi.
Simdi asil tertipciler solculari sagdan birini halletmek icin ayartmaya
calisacaklar, olmasa yine kendileri halledecek.  Ancak
solcularin tertipcilere is cikaracagini zannetmiyorum,
Zira bu oldurme islerinde Muslumanlardan cok daha ileri
teknolojiye sahipler, Muslumanlardan ancak iyi kasaplik
koyun oluyor dunyanin dort bir yaninda goruldugu gibi.
Ulusta akil olsa zaten boyle basit tuzaklara dusmez ancak 
maalesef gozler zaten kara, gonuller ise bir huccet
aramakta.  Huccet olmayinca da yaratmakta ustlerine yok.


Hamid
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: EPILOGUE >>> Not accepted for publication <<< (from Haluk)
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:49:45 GMT
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 A letter to The Independent (by Prof. A. Hastings), 1 October 1992

 >>> Not accepted for publication <<<
     ----------------------------

 EPILOGUE

 Sir, Once upon a time a  small European country decided it wanted
 most of its  neighbour's land. As it was very  well armed and its
 neighbour was almost unarmed, it was not hard to take it, but its
 neighbour who had been within  the same borders for eight hundred
 years, resisted with unexpected determination. So its cities were
 bombarded and its people slaughtered.

   The great nations of Europe, the United States and the UN, were
 all deeply  troubled as  to what  they should  do. One  thing was
 clear,  the Foreign  Office of  Britain wisely  insisted, nothing
 must be done to stop the  aggressors. We must prevent anyone from
 interfering and not allow any arms  to be given to those who have
 been attacked.  At the same  time we must repeatedly  express our
 measured  disapproval.  For  months  and  months  this  was  most
 successfully  done. A  noble lord  hastened round  Europe shaking
 hands,  expressing  disapproval  and successfully  ensuring  that
 nothing was done.

   A few people, more sensitive to the destruction and the murder,
 kept urging  that this  was not quite  enough. In  consequence an
 especially large conference  was held which was  a great success.
 It  managed  to  achieve  absolutely nothing  but  made  everyone
 (almost)  feel that  the world  had shown  very impressively  how
 anxious it was to appear to be anxious.

   It was noticed  too how many people were in  danger of dying of
 hunger as they were besieged and shelled. This would never do and
 a costly humanitarian  exercise was set in motion  to ensure that
 no one (almost)  died of hunger. They should be  kept alive until
 they were killed in the proper manner by shelling or having their
 throats cut.  Finally the winter  came. At last the  defenders of
 their freedom  and their land  expired and so  another conference
 was  held  to  decide  that  a 'fait  accompli'  had  now  to  be
 recognised and  the land should be  given to those who  had taken
 it. After  all, as a Foreign  Office man remarked, they  were old
 friends  of  Britain.  So  they  all  lived  happily  ever  after
 (almost).

 1 October 1992

 Adrian HASTINGS,
 Professor of Theology,
 Department of Theology and
 Religious Studies, University
 of Leeds, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
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From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Tell Us Mr. Ozguven
Summary: _Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Kirimi_ 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:56:07 GMT

In article <kutluk.727461626@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk 
Ozguven) responded to article <1993Jan13.011839.13170@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@
urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) who wrote: 

[DD] For one who professes a heritage of parents & grandparents who killed
[DD] Serbs as NAZI surrogates, I find your foolish outburst rather self-
[DD] exposing. Yes, the NAZIS and their surrogates learned well from your 
[DD] brother Turks who exterminated 1.5 million Armenians in Turkey during WWI.

[KO] Now, we have to decide how many. 300,000 (the number of the
[KO] perished from disease and hunger just as the Turks), 750,000 (population 
[KO] of Armenians at that time), 1,000,000 (a handy truncation), 1,500,000
[KO] (Davidian number in this posting but changes in every one), 2,000,000 (the
[KO] Napoleon-concious correspondent's number - see the article), 
[KO] 3,000,000 (people also say), ...  

It is almost not worth another refutation of such creative demographics, 
however, I will respond by asking you to translate into English (since you are 
in England) the following title of a Turkish text published in Germany within 
the past few months:

	_Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Kirimi_, by Taner Akcam, 1992, Germany

You see Kutluk, my Turkish is quite poor, but you -- who has the courage to
revise the history of the Armenian people in front of thousands who read your
crap -- should be man enough to translate this simple title into proper English
so the rest of us will not get the wrong impression of you!

Go ahead, we await your translation. As you think of the translation, go look
in the mirror! 

-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208)
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Maestro'ya
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:00:13 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Ulan Muslumanlar Ugur Mumcu'dan ne istesin...Ugur Mumcu iktidarda bile
degilken ? Yok yoksa sen Muslumanlari Turkiye'de iktidarda mi sanirsin 
? Bugun Turkiye'de iktidarda olanlar sizlersiniz, ve yurttaslarinizin 
hayatini korumaktan bile acizsiniz, bu aczinizi tutupta Muslumanlara
yamamaya calismayin...tembel herifler...
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