From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iraq combats Iranian sorties, violates peace treaty
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:35:16 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Apr12.215459.21039@watserv1.waterloo.edu> arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir) writes:

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> >>(MOSLEM IRANIAN AND MUSLEM IRAQies BR.
> >

> That is pure bull shit.  There is no brothership between us except perhaps
> with the Kurds that are suffering inside Iraq (who are Iranian anyways) and
> some of the Shia's in South-East Iraq, who seem to be the only civilized people
> in Iraq.

> >>shut up for ever dirty BASI
> >>ANd tell Rajavi shut up too.

> You should listen to him.  He is right you know.  You Ba'thies are dirity.

Passion makes one blind and dumb.*  And this applies to all people including
our dear Arash, who talks so reasonably and calmly in matters not related to
nationalism.  But here, so uncharacteristically he indulges in xenophobic hate.

Why "brothership" can only be between "us" and the Kurds "and some of the
Shia's in South-East Iraq" and not other Iraqis?  In the case of Kurds, is it
because they are "suffering inside Iraq" or because they are "Iranian anyways"?
And is it "us" who decide who is Iranian or not, or is it the people
themselves?  And what would be the case if they were not suffering inside Iraq?
Do the rest of sufferers inside Iraq deserve it or what?  And in the case of
"Shia's in South-East Iraq", how come they "seem to be the ""only"" civilized
people in Iraq" (which, by implication, rules out the Iraqi Kurds as civilized
too!)?

Your xenophobic hate manifests again when you state that "You Ba'thies are
dirity" (sic).  If you are referring to the idelogy, then no one is dirty just
beacause they "believe" in something.  And if you say so because some (you can
not claim that all) did something wrong or horrible, you can not generalize it
to all of them (including Jaber).  And because of your hate towards Ba'thies,
you refrain from condemning (indeed, you approve of) the implicit threat in
Taqwaa's message.  How again uncharacteristic of you, if I may say so.

Friendship and brother/sisterhood have nothing to do with being "Iranian
anyways" or not.  Nobody should be denied friendship because of race, religion,
nationality or the bad fortune of living under a dictatorship.  If the long
history of wars and xenophic hate has not taught us this simple lesson, no
wonder we should live under such barbaric regimes who are ready to use these
unhealthy sentiments to wage wars and send millions of innocent people to their
certain death.

The best advice to the two posters, each supporting one of the two
war-mongering regimes, was to put their conscience before their allegiance to
the respective regimes, to condemn violence, to put more value on human lives
than on ideologies, to care for the victims of the atrocities of their
respective regimes, to raise above race, religion, nationality, personal
interests etc, to work for humanity and human understanding and friendship.  We
have had enough of wars and xenophobic hate.  Let's try human-ness

I hope you are not offended by my response.  I believe we can all learn from
each other.

-hossein
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* Al-hobb-o yo'mi va yosemm (an Arabic saying).
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