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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Rollercoaster Videos?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:14:13 GMT

(Michael A. Cornell) writes:
>I know this IS NOT what you're looking for, but when I was 10
>or so, I remember a science show for kiddies called 321-Contact!
>Weel one of the episodes had a neato thing on designing coasters.
>It went to the Arrow factory and showed all of the stages for 
>design.  From the sketches, to the small scale model to the 
>1/4 size model to the final ride.  It was pretty cool.


WOW!  I haven't thought about that since that particular episode
aired, but you are right!  KNOW I remember!  The first time
I saw a suspended roller coaster (XLR-8), I thought to myself,
"*man*, this looks familiar". Now, I know why!  ;-)

I also remember that Arrow had a scale version of a shuttle looper
where the loop had a twist at the top, so that the riders would
have gone up to the top of the loop, hard right, then gone down
perpendicular to the entry to the loop.

I wonder if one of those was ever built?   Didn't Anton S. build
something like this?


Rendell
From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Knoebel's Phall Phunfest comments
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:09:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.hm1z8#g
Organization: The Voice of Fate

In article <1992Oct13.201938.2542@sei.cmu.edu> mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
>Of course, they did open the Jet Star, which didn't appear to be on the
>original list of rides operating for the day, so I can't complain too much
>(this was the first time I'd ever ridden one of these, and I can't
>understand why ACE doesn't allow them as coasters).

ACE does count them as coasters.  Jet Stars are listed in Guide To Ride
and the 1992 North American Coaster Census.
-- 
Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)
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From: larry@labrador.fishkill.ibm.com (Larry Pieniazek)
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:21:32 GMT
Reply-To: lar@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM East Fishkill

In article <1992Oct13.172406.4352@news.media.mit.edu>,
maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione) writes:
> There is at least one fixed location simulator in the Northeast region, and I
> don't recall seeing any discussion on it recently. It is called the
> Tour of the Universe, and resides in the base of the CNN tower at the
> Toronto waterfront.

While it is true that CNN is an awesome news organisation and has
more and more influence on world events each year, they have not
as of yet acquired the CN Tower and changed the name to the CNN Tower. :-)

Given their recent success in influencing presidential politics in the
US, it may very well be just a matter of time...

ObCoaster: The Perot campaign so far reminds me of a coaster ride. :-)
(not very well profiled, though...)

-Lar

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From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Summary: Oops! and thanks to Larry.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:21:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.192132.29460@watson.ibm.com> lar@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.172406.4352@news.media.mit.edu>,
>maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione) writes:
>> There is at least one fixed location simulator in the Northeast region, and I
>> don't recall seeing any discussion on it recently. It is called the
>> Tour of the Universe, and resides in the base of the CNN tower at the
>> Toronto waterfront.
>
>While it is true that CNN is an awesome news organisation and has
>more and more influence on world events each year, they have not
>as of yet acquired the CN Tower and changed the name to the CNN Tower. :-)
>
>Given their recent success in influencing presidential politics in the
>US, it may very well be just a matter of time...
>
(some stuff deleted)
Larry is certainly correct in pointing out my previous egregious error.
As part of my self-imposed punishment, I will now further clarify the
acronyms that I fouled up. CNN stands for Cable Network News, centered
in Atlanta, GA.; The CN tower is the Canadian National Tower, located in
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Thanks again Larry, I will be pulling that big Libertarian lever on
Nov. 3rd, hope many of you will join me.

And Buck, does my mistake earn me one of your citations? (FYI, Bill
Buckley dressed as a State Policeman at the Phunfest, and had the
greatest set of citations I have ever seen. People at the Phunfest
were actually begging him for a citation! And I never got one myself!).

Tom "I may be wrong, but I'm not wrong long" Maglione
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: 2nd BATMAN!! - was Re: SHOCKWVAE heads south!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:44:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
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In a previous article, mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) says:

>
>Another thing that bothers me about Six Flags, is their INSISTANCE
>on the fact that you don't care where you sit.  I mean every seat
>gives the same ride, so therefore you really shouldn't care.
>
>Six Flags should try catering to the public, and build a station
>where you can actually choose where you want to sit.  The other
>way may make the line move faster, but I'll take that extra time to
>sit where I want to.
>
As I recall, SFMM lets you stand in a separate line for the front coach
I remember the queue line splitting into three, with one line going
to the front, one to the middle three coaches and one to the back 
three coaches for the Viper.  Not perfect but a step in the right direction
-- 
Kevin				
"Friends don't let friends ride E.T."
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Great Adventure
Date: 10 Oct 1992 02:49:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


If what I hear is true, then GFGAd is FINNALY getting it's act 
together to become a better park.  They are getting the BATMAN
thing...very cool.  Now I might actually decide to visit the park

It's too bad they had to take down lightning Loops.  If they are
SMART, they will take one of the sections of Lightning Loops and
save it and move it to the opposite end of the park, to where
UltraTwister used to be.  There is a lot of unsused space in that
area since they took out the Twister, but it is hard to use, 
considering the fact that it is mostly a long and narrow rectangle.
This would be perfect to save a portion of that ride.  They 
should still consider doing this since the park doesn't have
many rides in the first place and they need to spread out the
crouds.  It would really be bad if they get what they got when
the GASM opened up.  4 HOUR long lines!!!!!!!!  That's crazy!
And if the Batman is all it's cracked up to be, I'm sure they'll
have 3 HOUR lines on the weekend.  The GASM should help keep
the lines down, but it will still make it so that there are only
TWO real atrractions to the park.  NO ONE rides Rolling Thunder,
and I don't blame them.  And the Runaway Train can't attract a 
crowd, even though IMHO it's better than Rolling Thunder.

So now that I might pay the...well It'll be like $30 next year..
admission price to get in...I want to know what the Batman
ride is.  Who designed it, Arrow?  Is it a suspended standup,
that's the impression I got from someone who told me about
the one currently running near Chicago.

Thanx for any info

Mike Cornell

Please tell me this is true!
From: cheri@decoy.uucp (24481-stead)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Unique Amusement Rides (old ones)
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:37:39 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <1992Oct13.203216.3388@sei.cmu.edu> mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
>
>1) Whip.  Kennywood's is the only other one that I know of, except for the 
>   small one at Conneaut Lake)

DorneyPark has one, too.  I began noticing them after visiting Kennywood, and
reading the sign about how rare they are.  I've actually seen quite a few, but
I can't remember where else at the moment.  They seem to be in the smaller,
older parks (which makes a lot of sense!!).  I wonder if Dorney is going to 
keep theirs now that they're owned by Cedar Fair.

>
>2) Suspended sailplane ride - you could move the rudder to make the plane
>   go in and out (or dive and rise, depending on how you look at it). 
>   The only other one I've seen is at King's Island.
>
>3) Caterpillar - complete circle of cars with a cover that came over the
>   entire train during the ride, with a blower at one point underneath. I
>   don't know of any of these still operating, and West View had actually
>   removed theirs before they closed.
>

I think Canobie Lake (NH) has both of these.  That was the only time I've
ridden the sailplanes, but we didn't know the technique, so it wasn't that
exciting ;-)  We also didn't ride the Caterpillar, so I'm not sure about 
the blower. However, it had a cover over the entire train, so it's certainly
similar if not the same.

>Also, I have never seen anything like Kennywood's Kangaroo anywhere else.
>Is this a unique ride? What other old rides are coming close to extinction?
>

I haven't seen the Kangaroo ride anywhere else, either!  I'll try to describe
it in response to Betsey's request, but I've only been there a couple of times
and the details are somewhat fuzzy.  To begin with, spokes radiate out from the 
center.  At the end of each spoke is a car, with the seat facing along the 
tangent (to the circle formed by the outer edge of each car), so that the outer 
person is crunched when the rides spins.  Each car rides on a wheel that 
follows a circular track.   However, the track has a ramp in it, similar to
ramps used to launch stunt vehicles.  As the cars travel around, each one is
launched from the ramp (the kangaroo hops, I assume!).  I think it's fun! 
(And I hope the explanation makes sense!)

-- Cheri
cheri@decoy.cc.bellcore.com

>Mary Ann Pike   (mapike@sei.cmu.edu)    
>Software Engineering Institute          
>Carnegie-Mellon University              
>Pittsburgh PA
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Date: 9 Oct 1992 04:16:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Geoff...
	One question...is there ROOM in Disney World for Mt Fiji?
Ever since they put in Mickey's Starland (why,oh why?) there isn't
much room left to put ANYTHING...let alone an entire MOUNTAIN.
They only thing they cold do is build across the RR tracks, and
for some reason, i don't see that happening.

	Ok I'm gonna get flamed for this but, I thing that the 
BTTF ride IS the best ride in the area, next to Space Mt.  It
is very realistic...much better than the other simulators.

I can't spell...thing=think
I can't use my edtior so...oh well

Mike Cornell

You know..I should do my Philosophy paper but....
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Six Flags Policies (was Re: Coaster Names)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:05:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


SARCASM?? WHAT SARCASM...WHERE DID YOU SEE SARCASM? hehehe
I love using sarcasm BTW.

As for KD not letting you ride the Rebel Yell in whatever seat you
want, I think they don't have the room for it.  There's no room
in the station.  It's been a while since I've been to KI so correct
me if I'm wrong, but I think the Racer has a bit more room in the 
station.

The problem I have with Six flags is, these are NEW coasters, and
they insist on makeing stations which do not allow you to sit 
where you want.  Another thing I don't like about them is the
amount of Twin rides out there.  If I recall correctly from the
queue line for the GASM, the Shockwave is the same ride except
the lift hill on the GASM is three feet higher. WOW-WE-WOW! I
sure am impressed.  My family got tired of how boring SFGAd is
we've only been there once in the past 5 years, and that was to
ride the GASM and Shockwave.  I didn't mind the GASM, it's
just in the WORST location known to man, next to the parking lot.
The commercials they showed, were of the Shockwave in Great 
America, and gave me the imprssion that it ran by the lake.  I
was dissapointed.  That's why I like the Vortex at KI, it
uses the terrain so well.  You look from the top of the lift hill
right into the Beast...great stuff!

That's enough flame for now, don't want anyone to choke on it.

Mike "Call Batman the Jersey Devil" Cornell
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Kings Dominion, and any hope for Florida?
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:06:37 GMT


In article <1687AB945.DHBHM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
|> DHBHM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Bruce H. McIntosh) writes:
|> Two questions:
|> 1.  I've not seen any mention of Kings Dominion in r.r-c.
|>  I have several fond memories of the place (my first-ever
|> coaster ride was the Rebel Yell on a rainy day).  Is it still
|> in business, and what is the scream-ride quotient these days?
|>  
Bruce,
   Kings Dominion (KD) has quite a few roller coasters now. 
They have the Rebel Yell (of course) but this year they are
running one train backwards.  It provides quite a unique
experience.  And they retracked it a couple years ago so it is
running very smooth and fast.  They have the Grizzly which is a
twister and is a top ten coaster.  At night in the dark it is
probably one of the best coasters around.  I even rate it better
the the old Reb.  They have a coaster called the Shockwave which
is a stand-up Togo coaster.  Not bad but I prefer wood.  They
also have the Scooby Doo which is a Jr. twister made of wood. 
They have a one-of-a-kind-in-the-US Mack Bobsled.  A nice ride
but not a real white-knuckler.  Their final coaster is called
the Anaconda.  It is a multi-looping Arrow coaster with 5
inversion elements and an under-the-water tunnel.  It is a very
good coaster for steel.  By the way, ACE held their yearly
convention at KD this year and we got an excellent amount of
ride time on all their coasters.  I bet I got 60 to 70 rides on
all their different coasters.  Also a company, contracted out by
ACE, has produced a video on the convention which contains POV
(point of view) shots on all the coasters of KD and Busch
Gardens. 

|> 2.  I used to enjoy being a couple hours' drive from KD,
|> Busch Gardens, Hershey Park, etc., but now I'm stuck in the
|> sticks of North Central Florida, pining for roller coasters.
|>  Aside from Space Mountain, and the Python at BG/Dark
|> Continent (which seemed really ho-hum to me - I guess
|> I'm more of a rattly-wooden-coaster man :-) ) what is there
|> to ride around here?

The best fix for Floridians is over in Panama City Beach.  The
park is called Miracle Strip and has an excellent wood coaster. 
Six Flags over Georgia outside Atlanta also has some great
coaster rides including a super woodie, the Georgia Cyclone, put
in several years ago.  You are also not too, too far from Myrtle
Beach which has a great rebuilt woodie called the Swamp Fox.  It
is probably 7 or 8 hours away from you though.

		Bill "we need a woodie in Central Florida" Figie 
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:36:04 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Kennywood Kangaroo description & more old rides questions
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
>West View used to have a Trabant - I haven't seen one of these anywhere
>in years.
>
>West View also used to have a Round-Up...I think Conneaut Lake has a
>covered one. I'm sure that these are not as scarce as other rides, but
>I don't think you can usually find them at the bigger parks.

A carnival that rolled through town (Pocatello, Idaho) last June had
both of these rides.  They also had a rock-o-plane and a two-car-per-arm
octopus.

All the rides had Idaho license plates, so I guess they were an
Idaho-based carnival.  Didn't catch the name.

Geoff ``Rode the Trabant, but didn't ride the Round-Up'' Allen

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Driggs, Idaho -- cultural hub of the west!
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Kings Island expected to formally announce new ride soon
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:41:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct12.194135.14938
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

>I heard from a reliable source (read: anonymous park employee) that
>Kings Island will formally announce their long-rumored new coaster
>sometime this week.
>
>I really wonder what they are trying to accomplish by timing the
>announcement like they are....  I bet there is something up...

Yawn.

What could be up?!?  Everyone knows what it is -- a Maroon and Yellow
Arrow suspended coaster to be Star Trek themed.  So what's going to
be the surprise?
From: DHBHM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Bruce H. McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:41:20 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <1992Oct7.182436.10010@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
sld@cbnewse.cb.att.com (steve.l.dennis) writes:
>"This is Cinerama" began with a sequence taken on the "Atom Smasher"
>at Rye Playland. Since the screen was sooooo big, the effect was really
>pretty good. Combined with 15-track stereo sound, it was quite an experience.
 
I worked at Wild World in Largo, MD when it first opened and helped set up
their IMAX projector.  The calibration/demo film that came with it was of
a coaster ride at 6 Flags Over Somewhere-or-other (don't remember which one).
The theater screen was a quarter-sphere that you stood in; your entire field
of vision including peripheral vision was taken up with the film; most of us
couldn't watch the coaster shots standing up; we got too dizzy :-).
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: What's this Wild One Mania?
Keywords: wild one maryland
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:22:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct8.212230.3336
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Ken Denton writes:

>Anyone have more details on the Wild One Mania in Maryland?  

I have the info at home.  I'll reply tomorrow with more (confirmed)
deatils, as what's in my head at this point is sketchy, so I don't 
want to speculate too much at this point on the event.  I will say 
that Wild World, which closed after Labor Day, is opening...

Thurs - Sun, October 22 - 25,	*AND* 
Fri - Sun, October 30 - November 1st 

...as part of their Halloween celebration.  The Mid-Atlantic Coaster 
Club (MACC) is holding a special event on Saturday, October 24th.  
A POP (pay One Price) admission will be discounted from the regular
$15.00 to only $10.00 for the day.  I'll reply tomorrow is there are
any special ERT (Exclusive Ride Time's) associated with the event.


>I have never even heard of the park, so I don't know what's there.

Wild World is home to an aptly named 100' wooden Out-and-Backer -- the
WILD ONE!  This "Woodie with an attitude" features high speed,
killer negative g forces, and slamming lateral g's ... not really for
the faint of heart.  


>I will be going to Phall Phun Phest in Knoebels on Saturday,

Great!  It should be a fun time.   Look for the "Coaster Cop" ... that
will be me.


Cheers,
Buck
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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Unique Amusement Rides (old ones)
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
	<1992Oct13.213606.9024@news.columbia.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:08:45 GMT

Betsey> == Elizabeth Fike <betsey@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> 

 Betsey> In article <1992Oct13.203216.3388@sei.cmu.edu> mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
>2) Suspended sailplane ride - you could move the rudder to make the plane
>   go in and out (or dive and rise, depending on how you look at it). 
>   The only other one I've seen is at King's Island.

 Betsey> Geauga Lake had one of these, but they took it out many moons
 Betsey> ago (when they were building the Wave, and the other lakefront
 Betsey> stuff, maybe?  I was not all that old at the time...)

Actually, GLP (Geauga Lake Park) didn't get rid of these until a couple
of years back. The ride had been moved quite a few times -- it lived
back by the Scrambler (back by the Big Dipper in Western Village) and
also next to the corkscrew (where is now the EuroRacers). 

The ride was ditched, because, quite frankly, it was a risk management
hazard. The cords connecting the sails would forever fray. I ride-opped
on this ride once, and the inspection for each and every cable was
*intense* and had to be done *at least* twice a shift (shifts were 6
hours long). 

I think it was a cable that snapped one day that the park decided to
finally ditch the ride. An *awesome* ride to ride, but a bitch to
ride-op and maintain.

--Helen
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From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Unique Amusement Rides (old ones)
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:18:13 GMT
Organization: The Voice of Fate

In article <1992Oct13.210919.21857@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
>mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
>>2) Suspended sailplane ride - you could move the rudder to make the plane
>>   go in and out (or dive and rise, depending on how you look at it). 
>>   The only other one I've seen is at King's Island.
>
>Lagoon, in Farmington, Utah (about midway between Ogden and Salt Lake
>City) has one of these.  If you get the motion right, and in sync with
>the wind, you can get these things going *really* out of control!  This
>is the only ride in recent memory that has actually scared me.  Here are
>the details as passed on to me by Gerry Swetsky (lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us):
>
[ technique deleted ]
>
>    Remember, on this ride you have a certain amount of control.  It
>    makes it kind of unique in my estimation.  Outside of the Dodgem,
>    there's very few rides where the rider controls his own destiny.

Well, you can affect your destiny, although not necessarily control it,
on a Wave Swinger ride.  (This is the ride where you sit in a swing,
suspended by four long chains.  About 30 of these swings hang from the
structure, which rotates and dips up and down.)  By pumping your legs,
you can get the swing to twist pretty wildly.  Operators typically frown
on this behavior.  >-)
-- 
Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)