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From: alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:40:54 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese) writes:

> I write:
>>the people are not forced to take these types of jobs, and thus there
>>is no demand for them.
>>
>Whose *forcing* people to take low-paying jobs? If they're so many 
>terrific jobs in Germany why are people working at Tankstellen?
>What's lacking in the States is proper education and training in
>the workforce, not good jobs. Besides, working in "fast-food"
>joints helped put me through college. It wasn't great work but it
>helped pay the bills.

Oh, c'mon, surely you can't be that nieve?  The whole *damn* system,
that's who!  It creates an almost slave-class of the lower class.
No good paying jobs, no social security, no medical insurance.  They
are made to feel as though they are damned lucky to have what they
have, and that it is there own fault that that don't have more.

Geesh, some people just don't see the writing on the wall.

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From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: zu beugen oder nicht zu beugen, das ist hier die frage!
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:44:56 GMT
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany

In <l90oqiINN79s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber) writes:

> Nach welchem Muster entscheidet man ob das Wort jemand* gebeugt wird?
> Ich habe bereits in einem Magazinartikel so was wie:
> ,,Er will von jemand verteidigt werden, der ...'' . Eine Dativform 
> (,,jemandem'') gibt's dafu"r. Wird nicht an obiger Stelle das Wort
> ,,jemand'' von ,,von'' regiert ???? Da es um einen Magazinartikel ging,
> musste es ,,korrekt'' sein, oder?

Duden,  19. Auflage:
  jemand; Gen. -[e]s, Dat. -em (auch: -), Akk. -en (auch: -)

Mit anderen Worten:  jemandes Meinung       oder    jemands Meinung
                     jemandem helfen        oder    jemand helfen
                     jemanden verteidigen   oder    jemand verteidigen

wobei mir die jeweils erste Form fuer Schriftsprache richtig vorkommt und
die jeweils zweite Form sich eher umgangssprachlich anhoert.

> -verzweifelt

Entzweifelt? -- ... aber was ist schon richtig.

Werner
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:33:37 GMT

U37533@uicvm.uic.edu (Irene Marquez) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.114826.314@cs.tu-berlin.de>, wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
>(Wolfgang Schwanke) says:
>>
>>NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Christopher Lane) writes:
>>
>>>Hmmmm the English speak english, Americans speak american.
>>>Only an extremely narrow viewed bigot would see his language as being
>>>'english' that generic term Americans have for their universal language
>>>that all the world must speak.
>>
>>Hmm, I for one speak _English_, and you understand the things I type? :)
>>What's wrong with seeing American as a dialect of English. I think it is.
>
>   Hey Wolfi.  =)
>
>   Though i think your arguement is a valid one, i find it difficult
>   to view american as a dialect of english.  I don't understand when
>   Some brits speak english, and I wonder how much of what i say,
>   they understand, though I can read most of what they write,
>   some words and expressions, throw me.
>
>   so i have 2 questions:
>   1. Is this similar to Flemish being considered a dialect of Dutch?

I have no deep insight in Dutch or Flemish, but I met Flemings who insisted
Flemish is a subset of Dutch, and not an independent language.

But I think American as a variation of English is similar to Austrian being
a variation of German: the spelling of some words is different, some vocabulary
is different (both stated as officially allowed forms in the Duden),
the pronunciation certainly is very different.

And b.t.w., I have no difficulty understanding American announcers on
telly (sic! :), although I was taught Brit pronunciation at school and 
am generally more used to it.

Another thing: a while ago in some newsgroup I forgot there was an American
who said he uses British spelling, because supposedly American spelling
(color vs. colour) was introduced by a dictionary maker (was it even Webster??)
to increase the sales of his books :)).

>   2. Why are we even talking about this on soc.culture.german?  =)

Because it came up here. Why are we talking about native Americans here?
50 per cent of usenet users are in the US, so American topics crop up
everywhere :). But I brought German back in elegantly, didn't I ;-).

>too tired to know what i'm writing.....
>
>greetings... irene

Greetings,

Wolfgang

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From: vogelges@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Ralf Vogelgesang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Mastercard Insurance
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:18:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

Hi folks,  I'd like  to for some  experience with German plastic money.

Just the other day I was considering renting a car with my 'EUROCARD/
MASTERCARD'.  I skimmed the information about liabilities and all that.
It looks like it's fairly safe to do that.  But of course I'd like to
play it safe...

   Therefore:  has someone done this before  AND  had an accident?  Did
   the insurance pay everything promptly, or did they cause major
   trouble because of 'more than 30 days in a foreign country' and such?
   (that is,  they were complaining about your not-being-on-vacation)

-- Ralf
vogelges@physics.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:46:33 GMT

harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:

>I asked my cousin why the stores aren't open later.
>She said nobody wants to work odd hours.
>What, not even to make money?

It's not legal. Shops have to close at 18:30, 20:30 on thursdays and
14:00 on saturdays. For large shops, the trade unions would not agree
with extended opening hours. Small shops don't want them because they
are run singlehandedly and the owners fear they cannot compete with the
large shops afterwards.
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From: keserovi@latcs4.lat.oz.au (Goran KESEROVIC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: I HATE GERMANY
Keywords: Bigotry, racism
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:19:46 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <785m4mp.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) writes:
>gregn@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche) writes:
>)
>)Well, seems to be a typical example what happens if you get your view
>)of history and other countries from class B war movies. And the worst
>)thing: I am sure if you asked this guy, he'd certainly tell us that
>)HE was not bigot, or prejudiced, or racist ...
>)
>)One of the main reasons for the rise of fascism in Germany (and other
>)countries in Europe, for this matter) in the 20s and 30s was ignorance
>)about other peoples and cultures. Let's hope the level of ignorance 
>)Francis just exposed is not significant for the US ...
>
>1992: THE NAZI FASCIST PARTIES ARE GROWING IN GERMANY AND ITALY
>1988: 1/3 OF ALL AUSTRIANS QUESTIONS WOULD NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH A JEW.
>
>Germany, Italy, Austria, Latvia, and Croatia, are so full of fucking
>bastards, and rascists even in this age, and I have no doubt that
>they'd welcome an invading Serbian army to do a little ethnic
>cleansing, just as the welcomed the German Nazi Bastards of 50 years
>ago.
>
>Wake up.  You haven't learned anything but denial.
>
>.
>-- 

   I think it is you that needs to wake up.....or at least get a brain.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,misc.forsale,rec.travel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: !!!!!! Frankfurt -> Toronto -> Halifax for $100 !!!!!!!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:34:36 GMT

alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay) wrote: 
->Hi, me again, the guy with the ticket.  Well, my first comment is
->"For $100, you take your chances.  Either you make it, or you don't"

it is probably slightly dishonest to not disclose this when making
your sale.

->However, When I went to Germany this Christmas, they didn't look
->too hard comparing my passport and ticket.  If you are a gambler,
->you chance to save a lot of money.  The worst that can happen is
->that you lose your $100, and maybe a bit of time.

which "they" are you talking about: the airline, or
customs/immigration?  i don't believe your implication that the
airline didn't check your passport against your ticket; they have a
lot at stake (especially when flying into the US: the INS holds
airlines responsible for travellers which arrive without proper
documenteation), and this gets expensive fast.

the worst thing that could happen is thte loss of $100, some time, and
the cost of a full-fare (you don't get discount tickets at the last
minute anymore, mostly) ticket back to the us.  non-trivial, if you
ask me.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel)
Subject: Re: Computer Terms (follow-up)
Organization: Public News & Mailserver, Commodore Germany PM UNIX, Frankfurt
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:10:32 GMT

oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:
>alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay) writes:

>>file			die Datei				Dateien
>>			(or just "File"; BTW people still argue
>>                        whether it should be "das" or "der" "File")

>Auch "die File" findet man von Zeit zu Zeit. Dasselbe gilt fuer "direc-
>tory". M.E. ein Grund, nur die deutschen Worte "Datei" und "Verzeichnis"
>zu benutzen.

Oh ja, solche Probleme LIEBE ich auch. Wir hatten mal hitzige Diskussionen
ueber "Drive". Ich bin fuer "der Drive", weil ich das Wort als alter
Jatzer schon viel laenger kenne, aber am Ende hatten wir drei exakt
gleich grosse Gruppen fuer der, die und das!!!

>>'       das Hochkomma
>das einfache Anfuehrungszeichen

Also im normalen Deutsch ist das eigentlich noch immer "der Apostroph".

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: Transit visa for Germany
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:54:07 EST

It would seem one of the reasons for requiring transit
visas in Frankfurt could be the threat of terrorism.
The bomb that blew up the airliner over Scotland
was planted in the Frankfurt airport.  I believe that
some Libyans were implicated in the attack.

Generally speaking, I would think that the vast majority
of people flying through Frankfurt are pleased with the
security measures in effect there, as they are virtually
guaranteed a safe flight.  Nicht wahr?

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson)
Subject: Stereotypical views of people (Was: Stereotypical views of women.)
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Club, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:32:14 GMT

> > From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
> >    Too bad that prostitues cost *money*, because otherwise I would say that

harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow) writes:
>Too bad prostitution is illegal here (except Nevada).

So there is no prostituition where you live?

>I wunder what the divorce rate would be if it were legal?
>What is the divorce rate in Germany?

Would you please explain how the legality of prostituition is linked
to divorce rates? 

...

> > IMHO, one thing that makes US and German girls different, is the
> > tendancy
> >    of US girls to play head games in relationships... sigh.

>Oops, another stereotype.
>I have met few men who actually have the experience to make such
>generalizations about women from any region.
>In any case, gentlemen, this subject should normally be discussed
>only among ourselves and not in mixed company.
>(Just like women excuse themselves in groups to go the the restroom
>to discuss the sizes of their dates' penises and wallets.)
>( :-), for the humor impared.)

I can tell that you live in the USA. Take another ;) to go.

>"Ya, da gib's kein Oel." my Uncle in response to my sarcastic question:
>"Siehst du, dass wir (die US) nicht da gehen?"
Or at least no oil that belongs to the Bush family.

--Ceci, is having a sarcastic day
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From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Computer Terms (follow-up)
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:32:11 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen

alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay) writes:

>file			die Datei				Dateien
>			(or just "File"; BTW people still argue
>                        whether it should be "das" or "der" "File")

Auch "die File" findet man von Zeit zu Zeit. Dasselbe gilt fuer "direc-
tory". M.E. ein Grund, nur die deutschen Worte "Datei" und "Verzeichnis"
zu benutzen.

>@	der Klammeraffe (slang)
auch: das at
>#	der Gartenzaun (slang)
auch: das Schweinegatter, das Fis, das Doppelkreuz, das Eisenbahnkreuz
>^	das Dach
das Huetchen
>'       das Hochkomma
das einfache Anfuehrungszeichen
>"       das Gaensefuesschen (ae=\"a, ue=\"u, ss=\ss)
das (doppelte) Anfuehrungszeichen
>\       I forgot this one, it was something like "der Rueckschraeger".  But use
>        "der Backslash" when you want to be understood.
der Rueckwaertsschraegstrich, aber "Backslash" ist kuerzer.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: bhuttam@woods.ulowell.edu (Bilal A. Bhutta  aka The Nukeman)
Subject: Need info on Univ.s in Germany
Organization: Nuclear Eng. Dept, UMass-Lowell
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:46:50 GMT


Note: I posted this on soc.college.gradinfo first but got no reply hence the 
      posting here.

Hi guys,
     I need info on universities in Germany offering doctoral programs in 
nuclear engineering. The only book in the library I was able to find giving 
relevant info is "The World of Learning." It lists the names of professors and 
affiliated institutes but nothing about degrees/programs offered. Are there some
books (in English) which list detailed info about foreign/german universities 
just like books by Barron's and Arco do for grad and undergrad institutions in 
U.S. and Canada? I would greatly appreciate if you could give me any pointers in
this regard.  
    Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Bilal A. Bhutta
--
Nuclear Engineering Dept.
UMass-Lowell

bhuttam@willow.ulowell.edu
mbhutta@cs.ulowell.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson)
Subject: Re: zu beugen oder nicht zu beugen, das ist hier die frage!
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:01:04 GMT

silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber) writes:

> Nach welchem Muster entscheidet man ob das Wort jemand* gebeugt wird?
> Ich habe bereits in einem Magazinartikel so was wie:
> ,,Er will von jemand verteidigt werden, der ...'' . Eine Dativform 
> (,,jemandem'') gibt's dafu"r. Wird nicht an obiger Stelle das Wort
> ,,jemand'' von ,,von'' regiert ???? Da es um einen Magazinartikel ging,
> musste es ,,korrekt'' sein, oder?

In meinem Grammatikkursbuch steht, dass "jemand" gebeugt werden kann,
es aber nicht muss. Das heisst, Du darfst waehlen. Schoen, nicht?

Das Buch ist fuer schwedische Universitaetskursuse bestimmt. Es ist
vergleichend.

--Ceci



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,talk.bizarre
From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:46:18 GMT

In article <f#!n8+q.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) writes:
>>
>
>JUST FOR THE RECORD:  EUROPEAN WOMEN HAVE HAIRY ARMPITS AND LEGS.
>
>                    So?
****
**** (fashist stuff deleted)*****



Beatrice
From: br@nadia.stgt.sub.org (Bernd Rosenau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:50:08 GMT
Organization: Stuttgart Net Systems, FRG

In article <1992Aug21.141002.21821@sinix.UUCP> maxb@sinix.UUCP (Max Bruning) writes:
>In article <n7ffssp@Unify.Com> veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:
>>
>>The reason is that shopping hours in Germany are regulated by law.
>>In general, shops aren't allowed to be opened later than
>>6:30pm Monday-Wednesday, Friday
>>8:30pm Thursday
>>2:00pm Saturdays, except of the first Saturday in a month
>>4:00pm on the first Saturday of a month during daylight savings time
>>6:00pm on the first Saturday of a month during normal time
>>
>>There are a few exceptions (airports, railway stations), but this is
>>it.  It's most annoying that shops aren't open on Sundays.
>> 
>>Veit
>>
>
>Yes, its amazing.  You can buy gasoline and beer at any time of the day
>or night at a gas station, but if you need to get milk for your children
>or you forgot to buy catfood, and its not at the "right" time,
>you're shit out of luck.

I know some gas stations where you can buy a lot, for example pizzas,
wine and other kinds of food...they make big business when normal
shops are closed.

I think the trade unions are stupid when they do not allow 
shops to sell longer because it will give a lot of people 
places to work.

Cheers, Bernd.
From: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Fussball-Bundesliga beginnt
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:03:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ennews.1992Aug14.170349.536
Reply-To: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu (Peter Hauschildt)
Organization: Arizona State University Dept. Physics and Astronomy
Originator: yeti@hydro.la.asu.edu


Nope, diesmal wird Hamburg Meister!

Man darf die Hoffnung nie aufgeben. Aber ich bin ja schon zufrieden,
wenn der HSV nicht absteigt und Bayern Muenchen nicht Meister wird (nichts
gegen die Bayern, ich mag bloss den Verein nicht!).

ciao,
				Yeti.
From: dsmith@aa.cad.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German history professors on soc.culture.german?
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:07:04 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, MI (USA)

In <1992Aug4.142953.19933@compu.com> fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:
>MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett") writes:

>>I was just speaking with a German history professor from a
>[-]
>>see if there were very many university professors of German
[...]
>I doubt very much that there are 'many' history professors here but let him 
[...]

I keep telling my former german professor to take a look at
"soc.culture.german"; but I don't really know if he is reading USENET
yet.

   Dan
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From: markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Kampe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I HATE GERMANY
Date: 14 Aug 1992 15:26:58 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South
NNTP-Posting-Host: sagredo.west.sun.com

Gee, when I saw this posting I just assumed that someone was trying for
the second annual "Hassan B Mutlu" award and treated it accordingly ...
update my kill files and go on with my day.
From: clf@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I LOVE GERMANY!\
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:59:17 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <1803.178.uupcb@wugate.wustl.edu>, carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:
> IM>   about racism.... I'll be there in a few months... I definitely
> IM>   don't look germanic, so I'll be giving you a first-hand report
> IM>   Roger.  Till then, chill!
> 
> Uh, oh! To what part of Germany are you going?
> I certainly don't look German, too, and I'm German. I warn you about the
> Eastern part! Please tell me where are you going. In certain parts or
> cities of Germany is a considerable risk.
> 
> IM>   Irene
> 
> greetinx, Carl.
>          

     What are the distinguishing features of the German that you don't look
like?  Looking Germanic?  Meaning, blonde hair & blue eyes?  

     I suspect that the blonde hair & blue eyes is an old stereotype that does
not describe the average German.  At least that is what I observed during my
two years in country.

SS

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:48:26 GMT

NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Christopher Lane) writes:

>Hmmmm the English speak english, Americans speak american.
>Only an extremely narrow viewed bigot would see his language as being
>'english' that generic term Americans have for their universal language
>that all the world must speak.

Hmm, I for one speak _English_, and you understand the things I type? :)
What's wrong with seeing American as a dialect of English. I think it is.

>Christopher Lane
>netoprbl@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu

Greetings

Wolfgang
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german