HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Jon Secada
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:43:16 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, REC8@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
>Does anyone know what Jon Secada's professed sexual orientation is?


Jon Secada is currently married but is in the process of divorcing his wife 
of two years.  He professes poverty in an effort to deny his wife any 
monetary settlement.  The supposed reason is "irreconcilable differences."  
Read into that what you want.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Austin, TX: Couple marks 10th
Keywords: Austin, Gay, Anniversary
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:33:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

What a wonderful thing to see in today's Austin-American Statesman...
it makes be so proud to be an Austin-American:

Sunday, January 24, 1993

[Loving Picture]

Erwin-Grotsky
10th Anniversary

  Messrs. Jay M. and George P. Erwin-Grotsky renewed their vows at a
ceremony led by Rev. Elissa Emerson and Rev. Fred Wooden at the First
Unitarian Church of Austin on Saturday, January 23, 1993.  The couple
began their life together on January 21, 1983, which they reaffirmed
with a marriage ceremony that they performed themselves on January 25,
1986.  George is a computer programmer, and Jay is a clinical social
worker.

-=-

It should be noted that the American-Statesman received a ton of
poblicity last year when they accepted a similar, paid announcement
from a lesbian couple (who even appeared on Donahue).  It must also be
noted that Austin ain't Texas.

-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Squirrelobatics (was Re: Happy birthday to me)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:33:22 GMT


In article <77097@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a
flying squirrel) writes:

>La Reine de la Suze, Jess Anderson:

Petit moi?

>Had you behaved yourself, I was going to demonstrate my
>flaring abilities three feet above 30R at SJC.  As it stands
>now, however, I think we'll go practice spin recovery over
>the Pacific.

But I'd *love* that!  What fun, can we take a biplane up,
please?

>It IS fun to watch the youth overflow.

Well, scratch the biplane if we're going to take Mike along
too.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
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From: jcav@kimbark.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: Challenge: Documentation of Nonpromiscuity
Summary: Grammar queen!  Grammar queen!  Danger, Will Robinson!
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:45:00 GMT

In article <C187rn.2C7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>And I think instead of saying less gays, you should say less sexually active
>gays.

How about living a little and daring to say "Fewer sexually active gays"?

-- 
JohnC | queer person | jcav@midway.uchicago.edu | B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p
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From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Organization: Motorola
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:51:44 CST

Well, sorry dudes but you have got the wrong end of the
stick completely!!
It's *nothing* to do with either 'Yaz' *or* 'YAZOO'
but a female singer called Yazz who released the single
'Stand up for your love rights'
Her debut single was a collaberation with a group called 'Coldcut'
which was called 'Doctorin` the House'.
The collaberation called themselves 'Yazz and the Plastic Population'
for this one single, then Yazz got a recording contract of her own
and released 'Stand up.....' and her album 'Wanted'.
I believe that she has released one - maybe two - albums since then
and she has gone from 'Clubby-Pop' to calmer, more serious music.

As far as the label goes - I'll post that on Monday as I have to check
with a friend.
N.B. it *should* still be available on C.D.

"All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is *you* in my arms"
Adapted from 'Enjoy the Silence' - (C) Depeche Mode

Eddie Chandler
From: hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Sexual harassment from queers, Part II
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:49:14 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

Dear soc.motss friends,
	It is me again, posting about sexual harassment among queers.  Honey, I
know that there is plenty of harassment within our communities.  We are NOT
family, except perhaps a dysfunctional one.  There is bi phobia, femme phobia,
sm phobia, piercing phobia, etc, etc.  What I am talking about are situations
where...oh, let's say...a female professor 2 times her student's age tells her
that she loves her, flirts with her, plays up her bisexuality, buys her
an expensive gift and gives her a sex toy catalogue. Situations like when one
dyke puts another in a rope leash and won't let her out and pulls her face
close to the captive one to undo the rope.  That sort of stuff.
	I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but I am feeling really frustrated,
feeling like my girlfriend and I are the only ones doing anything about this
stuff.  I can see how our homophobic society makes it more difficult to achieve
justice in these cases, and how homophobia can make sexual motivations between
queers inappropriate, but since we are a strong population (and getting
stronger), one would think that we could organize to make this well known. 
Despite my alienation, I still think that there are others who are dealing with
these traumatic situations.
	If any one has any info, or wants to relate their experience to be used
in an on-campus discussion, please post on the net, or e-mail me.  I will keep
all names confidential, upon request.

	Thanks, 
	
	Fezzer
From: NFitch@UCSD.edu (Nick Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Followup-To: soc.motss
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:57:23 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: clinical-mac76-106.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan20.233202.25963@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) wrote:

> From what I've read so far, manners seem to be sorely lacking on this
> newsgroup.  And the term "twit" doesn't appear in any etiquette handbook of
> Polite Forms of Address I'VE ever read.

Well, I've been called worse - though never before by a total stranger
across a distance of several hundred miles.  Isn't networking wonderful.
 
> For the record, the day I find Cmdr. Riker attractive is the day they put me
> in a padded cell.

Me too, and maybe they should put all those exotic alien lovelies who keep
swooning over him in there with us....well, not actually in the same *cell*
 I think that might come under "Cruel and Unusual Punishment", but you know
what I mean.


  ** nfitch@ucsd.edu
********************************************************
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:42:57 GMT

> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>The subject says it all.

Today's (1/21/93) New York Times reported (on the front page)
that Clinton aides told them that Clinton will ask Defense
Secretary Les Aspin to prepare an executive order for his
signature "sometime in the next few months."  In the mean-
time, the military will be asked to stop asking recruits
about their sexual orientation, and to drop investigations of
suspected G/Ls.  Aspin will also consult with the military to
draw up guidelines for sexual behavior by gays and straights
in the armed forces, and will look into issues like housing,
establishing G/L social clubs on bases, dependents' benefits,
etc.  The article quoted military leaders, Congressqueers
Barney Frank and Gerry Stubbs, and former Lambda Legal Defense
director Thomas Stoddard as being pleased with this new plan.

Although a date was not mentioned, there is widespread
speculation that the ban will be lifted by May.
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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Clinton Gets Earful at Open House
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 03:57:31 GMT

In <1993Jan23.022927.19541@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.200150.16444@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>>>"And I wanted to call my parents.  But they aren't talking to me for
>>>the last 11 years because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
>>>will change that."
>>I'm missing something.

>It's obvious - she wants Clinton to cure her.
>At least, that's the way I read it the first time. What's the
>technical term for this sort of sentence problem?
   Dyslexia?    ;-)
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From: kenji@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:58:55 GMT

In article <C1JpL2.8u8@max.physics.sunysb.edu> 
kenji@max.physics.sunysb.edu (me) writes:

>Work! Work!

Yahoo!  I fixed our posting software by the pure force of will!!


Well, that's how it seemed at the moment.

Kenji, a little stir-crazy after two months of broken posting software.
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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: military ban legislation upcoming
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:16:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.214535.26972@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 	2) A resolution stating that after the attachments of ANY
> 		amendment to ANY legislation it starts over at 
> 		square one.  It might slow things down, but it
> 		would prevent the sleazy way that Helms has of
> 		putting things thru that would never make it
> 		otherwise.

Thomas Oliphant's op ed column in today's Boston Globe expresses the
view that there is no way Congress will stop the ban from being
lifted. One point he makes, that I was unaware of, is that the House
of Representatives has rather strict rules about amendments having to
be germane to the legislation they're attached to. (The Senate has no
such rule, but such an amendment would have to be passed by both
houses to have a chance to become law.)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Cardassians?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:32:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan20.102752.10267@reed.edu> <74022@cup.portal.com>
  <108@bbx.basis.com>

Scott Amspoker writes:
>George Madison writes:
>>So far, I consider the two most interesting characters on the show
>>to be Commander Sisko and Odo.
>
>Agreed.  Kira could steal the show if the writers would let her be a
>first rate Bajoran bitch.

Who knows *what* will happen?  In any case, despite the comments
of others, Kira is definitely in my second tier of respect,
character wise.

>Quark also has potential.  I particularly like the scene when he 
>brought his nephew in to the new school.

I loved the scene where Quark flatly tells a couple of Bajorans
that Odo could *NOT* have killed whatever-his-name-was.  I
haven't really seen enough of Quark to tell, but I like the 
"love-hate" relationship with Odo they seem to be building. 
Adversarial, but with a certain basic respect for each other.

>However, it was a bad 
>choice to use the name "Quark" since that was already taken by
>the short-lived outer space sitcom, "Quark", in the late 70's starring
>Richard Benjemen.

Oh, *please*!  How many people in the general viewing audience
do you think even know the show ever *existed*?  *I* thought that
it was one of the funniest things that ever hit television --
with characters like Otto Palindrome, administrator of Space
Station Perma-1, Betty-1 and Betty-2, Gene/Jean the Transmute,
Ficus the Vegeton... *WOW*!  I believe I have the themesong on
audiotape somewhere, if it hasn't decayed into unlistenability
in the intervening years.... (Before the advent of videotape, I
recorded the themesongs of TV shows I liked....)

And I *must* ask: if all the episodes of _Space:1999_ can be
released on VHS and LaserDisk, why *not* stuff like _Quark_, 
_Buck Rogers in the 25th Century_, _Fantastic Journey_, _Man From
Atlantis_ -- and a whole raft of the Saturday Morning stuff from
the relatively brief live-action renaissance of the late '70s,
like _Space Academy_, _Ark II_, _Jason of Star Command_, _Electra
Woman and Dyna Girl_, _Sigmund and the Sea Monsters_, _Dr.
Shrinker_, _Lidsville_ and _The Lost Saucer_???

Gads... I'd better not get into the *ANIMATED* stuff I'd like to
see that isn't listed in the _WHOLE TOON CATALOG_.....(!)

 
() What is the position of modesty in the Americas?
()      -- FJ van Wingerde (fjvwing@cs.vu.nl)
() Nothing to brag about ...
()      -- Michael L. Siemon (mls@usl.com)
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: ckp@world.std.com (Charles K Polisher)
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:47:33 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>Chuck, Thanks for the thorough article on HIV transmission via oral
>sex. If you're interested in the question, but skipped the article
>because it was long, go back and reread it.

>I have two questions:

>Your post is biased unprotected oral sex is more-or-less safe. I say
>this because your messages is largely readable as a justification for
>cocksucking without a condom. Did you come to this conclusion because
>you objectively thought it was true, or were you hoping to find it was
>the case, or... ? I don't mean to offend by asking this question, but
>the topic of HIV infection is so sensitive that it seems appropriate.

>Are these guys for real? :
>>"Avoid all sexual contact." (U S Centers for Disease Control,
>>recorded information hotline, Atlanta, 3/87)
>                __
>nelson@reed.edu \/                      When you expect flutes, it's whistles

Nelson--
   I believe I faithfully accumulated all that is known on the subject and 
presented it in the most logical sequence. If you feel the material draws
a conclusion then perhaps it "speaks for itself". I reviewed my interpre-
tations of the research with the authors to ensure accuracy. 
   Regards, Chuck (303) 455-1280
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congressional Contacts on Military Unban?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:19:38 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

Jess Anderson writes
>I was thoroughly pissed yesterday that Sam Nunn got on TV
>and said no more than 30 Senators would support changes in
>the law to support unbanning us in the military.

Unfortunately, he may well be correct.  The old boys network and all. 
Geesh.

>I want to know who all the just-elected people are.

My newly-elected Congressman is Peter Blute of Massachusetts.  Unfortunately,  
he is somewhere to the right of Dan Quayle.  I wrote to him a few years ago  
when he was my state rep, expressing my support for the Mass Gay Rights Bill  
(which finally PASSED after 17 years of trying).  He never answered me.  I  
wrote to him today about lifting the ban, but I suspect he is a lost cause.

>*Massive* but not hysterical response is needed
>*immediately* to serve notice that we are here and we are
>watching and we expect some real leadership on the issue in
>the elected bodies.

I think this is VERY important.  I've written to Nunn, Blute, Clinton & Aspin  
today.  We should all keep writing and keep the pressure on.  But don't fall  
into the politics of hysteria---let the other side keep doing that.

** lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Internet) Laurie.Mann (GEnie) **
******      And now for something completely different...     ******
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From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Vax vs. Electrolux
Organization: Motorola
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:19:43 CST

I haven't been able to read all the articles to do with this thread
so please excuse any slip-ups!

In article <1993Jan23.233445.10623@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
writes:
>
> And remember,
>
> Nothing sucks like a VAX.
>                 __

I always thought the phrase was
'*Nothing* sucks like an Electrolux' !!??
(I saw it a a back issue of I.T.)

Eddie
From: don@civet.phys.oxy.edu (Don Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Domestic Parnters
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:03:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cheshire.1993Jan26.180313.29548
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA

In article <1k3rg6INN9h8@sumax.seattleu.edu> corto@sumax.seattleu.edu  
(Cort Odekirk) writes:
>    Can anyone E-mail me the actual text of a Domestic Partnership  
Ordinance?
> Here at SU I got in a heated debate with a fellow classmate as to  
whether or
> not these represented "Special Rights" for Gays.  He claimed the  
legislation
> gave benefits only to gay couples, and not to heterosexual couples.  I  
know
> he is wrong but not having the actual text of the ordiance it came  
down to a 
> his word vs mine situation.
> 

Be sure to point out that laws which permit mixed-gender couples to  
marry and deny the same to same-gender couples is a "special right" of  
hetero's

--
-------------------------------------------
Don Goldberg
Mathematics Dept
Occidental College
Los Angeles CA 90041
Internet (including NeXT mail): don@oxy.edu
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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: subscribe
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:09:08 GMT

In article <2B608567@urjwc.ucla.edu> MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu ("Davis, Mark A.") writes:
>Please subscribe me.

That's "Please subscribe me, SIR!"
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                    brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"Compared to my life, the last man on a chain gang is thoroughly
enjoying himself."                   __Holiday__ by Philip Barry
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Inaugural Poem
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:49:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: mrgate.7141371325011993/A02754/POSSE/1171CB643200*
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



In article <1k15bsINNogh@shelley.u.washington.edu>, 
lmeissne@carson.u.washington.edu (Loren Meissner) writes:

>Did anyone notice that the text of the Inaugural poem as carried
>over the wire services (I posted the wire service version earlier today)
>omitted the reference to Gays?

>Can any of the more literary enlighten us on this?
>Are the wire services homophobic?
>Dis Angelou ad-lib the Gay reference at the last minute?
>Is the Gay reference part of the "original" written text of the
>poem?

The Denver Post and USA Today both published the entire poem, and their
versions (both) included the line, "The Gay, The Straight, The Preacher."

I suspect a homophobic knife may have edited the poem for the wire 
services!

-maria
From: cgraham@convex.com (Chip Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Last night on TV
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:24:17 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan27.154958.29918@news.cs.brandeis.edu> pratt@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Did anyone see and have a reaction to last night's "First Person with
>Maria Shriver"? I think the title was something cheesy like "The Gay
>Nineties" with a sensational subtitle. I only saw about the last half
>and have random comments.
>
>I was especially struck by the theme of "Churchiness"...
...
>potential situations of oppression. In my opinion, and in this I am unanimous,
>deliver me from Dignity, Integrity, Concerned Lutherans, MCC...
 
IMHO you missed the whole point of the program. Yes, there were some references
to 'CHURCH' as in MCC, but the general drift of the information was that we
as gays/lesbians are pretty mainstream America. I didn't see it as trying to
gain us some sort of respect because we have certain beliefs or that we try to
gain acceptance by belonging to some sort of para-church organization. I saw 
it as representing a very real part of the gay lifestyle for many of us. I
happen to be associated with Cathedral of Hope MCC in Dallas. My reasons for
going there are not to gain some sort of acceptance in anyone's sight.

I agree, it was somewhat sappy at points, but they selected real people, with
real challenges which some of them overcame, some did not. The most dis-
appointing thing I found was that the guys in Kentucky lost their business.
We were ready to get their number and start planning some conventions there
just to make them successful and slap that town around a little. I taped the
whole show, and found it to be very positive, and well presented.

-- 
Chip Graham      cgraham@convex.com         +1 214 497 4642
Convex Computer Corporation 
3000 Waterview Parkway     
Box 833851, Richardson,Tx,75083
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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: FAX PRESIDENT CLINTON (*AND* GENERAL COLIN POWELL)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:59:14 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <9301261844.AA15779@localhost> buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>On Tuesday, January 26 1993, dorsieh@agora.rain.com (Dorsie Hathaway) wrote:
>> I heard on ABC news this morning that the Congress had gotten over
>> 800 faxes AGAINST lifting the ban and only 21 in support.  It's time
>> to get off our hands, people.

>Bill Clinton
>President of the United States
>1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
>Washington, DC 20500
>(202) 456-1414
>(202) 456-2883 [fax]
>
>Also, phone/fax General Colin Powell at:
>
>Gen. Colin L. Powell
>Chairman
>Joint Chiefs of Staff
>The Pentagon
>Washington, DC  20301-5000
>
>vox: 703-697-9121.   
>fax: 703-697-8758.   

Don't forget to phone/fax your Congresscritters, too! I have a list of
Senate phone/fax numbers (thanks to Laura Arnold). Send email if you missed
the copy I posted to the list. We also need the same info for the House. In
the meanwhile, the Senate switchboard is (202)224-3121 and the House 
switchboard is (202)225-3121.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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