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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:56:39 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep28.110930.1304@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>
>Greg:
>  Do you know or can you tell us if future Sierra/Dynamix games will support
>the new AGA chip set for porting over those games in VGA coloration as
>opposed to the lacking EGA ports of the past?

   I have no idea. I doubt you would see it for some time, however, since the
AGA market is really tiny right now. If you thought it was hard to get good 
games to Amigas before AGA, just imagine how hard it will be to get them on to
machines with an even smaller user-base (ie: AGA Amigas). Commodore has to push
these machines like they've never pushed anything before - halfassed marketing
and moderate pricing just won't do it - they absolutely must blow doors with the
AGA machines if they want them to attract any decent publisher support (for 
games, at least).
   The pricing on the A4000 is a very good start in the right direction. Imagine
what it will be down to in a year or two. If all goes as planned, I should have
my own AGA Amiga by January. Unfortunately, I think the only software that will
take advantage of it by then is ADPro, ProWrite, a handful of other apps, some
new public domain GIF viewers, and games like Fighter Duel Pro.
   It's chicken-and-the-egg time again folks. Let's hope Commodore picks one and
goes with it this time.

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Commodore 486
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:15:42 GMT

In article <James_Coulter.05pu@panam.wimsey.bc.ca> James_Coulter@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (James Coulter) writes:

[ ]
>
>Commodore 486DX 33Mhz

[ ]
>
>Monitor is NOT included.  No mention of what video comes with the system.
>I sincerely hope that C= Canada's A4000 pricing will be similiar. :)

Unlikely, since C= has to compete with other PC makers. The video is a
Paradise SVGA. It comes in a slim-line case and you can get a 200meg version.
Add 4 1 meg simm's to take you to 8megs. It has 5 free slots. In fact, I'm
typing this on one right now (enhanced with an MPC upgrade kit).
 
It's quite nice as PC's go, which isn't saying much.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: My school has Toasters!
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:04:44 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Distribution: comp
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Keywords: toasters, amiga, life, whatever

In article <BvEvMI.LHF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
|> I just read in one of our campus papers that Purdue just bought $30,000+ 
|> worth of video editing equipment part of which was a Toaster Workstation.
|> Even though I'll never get to use this equipment and most of the people
|> who do wont know it's actually an Amiga, I'm glad to see there is some
|> cash going into C=.  I once talked to a guy from the CS dept here who was
|> looking into buying a Toaster + Amiga combo and came to the conclusion
|> that it wasn't broadcast quality... go figure.

Well, they are and they aren't, depending on your criteria. All "broadcast
quality" is not created equal...

On a side note, RPI also has a lab of Amigas which they use for computer art
classes, including a couple of Toasters. Unfortunately, they have them hooked
up to some old out-of-date sh*t VTRs which aren't even single-frame. Pretty
useless, if you ask me....

|> --Jason Balicki
|> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

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From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:53:56 GMT

In article <1aar7nINNd2m@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
>:  When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
>: as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
>: on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
>: slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.       

If you're using compilers/assemblers then fork out some more and get a Hard
Drive, really, anyone who uses a floppy system for 'Productivity' work is
a fool.

matt.
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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:31:53 GMT

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu wrote:
: In article <1992Sep25.220450.918@msi.com>, bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
: > coult (coult@poincare.geom.umn.edu) wrote:
: > : I am asking for some advice from all you net-people out there.
: > I personally think software availibility is most important.  
: 
: 	Software availablity for *you*, not in general.  If every body
: 	used software availablilty in general for criteria, then we'd 
: 	mostly use clones and what fun would that be?

I thought software availibility is most important for a graduate student
at a University.  That was what the question was about.  I never said "in
general".  I think software availibility is more important than fun.

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From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Subject: The A600 uses PCMCIA, here's why...
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 04 Oct 1992 03:06:54 GMT

Here's a quote from Business Week 9/21/92

"THE PCMCIA DATA BUS STANDARD for portable computers has been adopted
by about 250 computer makers worldwide, which could allow future machines
to use a universal format of plastic data cards to share information and
add-on peripheral devices.  The versatility of the bus might also help
PC makers keep their machines smaller and easier to customize."

This is a 'good' thing.


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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:44:49 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <etxansk.717851908@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
> 
> >In article <1aar7nINNd2m@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> >>etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
> >>:  When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
> >>: as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
> >>: on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
> >>: slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.       
> 
> >If you're using compilers/assemblers then fork out some more and get a Hard
> >Drive, really, anyone who uses a floppy system for 'Productivity' work is
> >a fool.
> 
>  Why is it that I always have to point out what the original context
> was about? Assemblers and compilers are good measures of CPU 
> performance, and I felt I had to include the floppy disk access part
> since it is (was?) slow on the Amiga.

Assemblers and compilers are also good measures of assembler and
compiler implementation.  Sure, there was a lot of difference between
the early Amiga and ST deveopment software, but if you want to talk
about speed, you'd also better be willing to talk about the capabilitles
and quality of the software available at that time.
From: pk-asdg@cup.portal.com (Perry S Kivolowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: does aga = hame on a
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 22:19:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

James Hastings-Trew says:
>Perry,
>
>Don't get me started in on you. I wonder how people would react if they
>knew who it was who started that rumor, who persists even now in keeping
>that rumor alive, or who's HAM-E serial number appears in the original
>inquiry to the FCC, photocopied off the bottom of their HAM-E unit? 

James, it pains me to see someone as completely deluded as yourself. There
is no grounds for the use of the term ``rumor.'' The text I included in my
message was *in fact* taken from the FCC compliance BBS. I invite  you  to
call  it  yourself. The FCC BBS is a 1200 baud system which can be reached
at 1(301)725-1072.

>You know as well as I do that the problems with the FCC have nothing to do
>with the unit or its saleability, or the failure of Black Belt Systems to
>compliy any or all FCC regulations. You know as well as I do that this FCC
>thing was merely a paper-chase that was resolved a long time ago, and had
>absolutely nothing to do with the HAM-E being pulled from the market.

Actually, James,  I only know that you are repeating what was told to you
by someone you trust. Someone, who in my opinion, is not being completely
up-front  with you. In the FCC database, you will find the name of an FCC
investigator. If you are concerned enough, why not give this investigator
a call, and, if she is willing to discuss any part of the details of this
case with you, why not report them here.

>But please, go ahead and childishly keep spreading this rumor that damages
>the reputation of a competitor. I know you can't compete on product alone,
>so you have to resort to tactics like this.

I am truly sorry that you feel this way. But clearly, your mind is closed.
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: New Performa Macs
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:31:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.203716.25510@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:

[Re new Mac's looks...]
>
>Amen to the above, I agree 100% :)  Even the classic is cute in an "ET"
>sort of way.  The interesting thing about these "new" macs is that
>they aren't new!  The Performa 200 is a classic II and the 400 is a
>II LC.  The only new machine is the 600.  Interestingly enough
>Sears is carrying the 200 and 400 P-Macs.  Retail on a 400 is $1495 +
>$395 for the 14" low end RGB monitor.  Euck!  The pricing I've heard
>for the Amiga 4000 averages out around $3600 w/RGB.  A3000 25MHz
>systems w/50M HD are going for $2200 including monitor!  Comparing
>the specs II LC -vs- A3000, the A3000 leaves the Performa 400 in the
>dust, at an equivalent price!  (Math CoProcessor, full 32bit arch,
>custom chips w/DMA for sound/graphics, stereo sound, faster SCSI, faster
>68030 clock, etc...)  PLUS, you can turn a 3000 into a II classic, but
>ya can't turn a Mac into an amiga.  (Actually performance is probably
>equivalent to IIsi, but w/ mono graphics I chose "II classic".)

The bottom line is software. Apple has it and the Amiga does not for the
most part. What good is it to have the finest hardware in the world if you
don't have the software you need? C= and its developers need to address the
issue of software and do it soon.
 
The Performa's are aimed at home buyers. These people have children (like me).
There's virtually no educational software for the Amiga. The Video Toaster
does little for the home user.
 
When Broderbrund, The Learning Company, etc...start producing software for the
Amiga then it will be able to compete for the home market. As it is, C=
simply does not produce computers that are appealing to families. They have
a very nice product line, lot's of potential, etc...but I would be hard
pressed to recommend one to people with children. CDTV is one way to
address that. However, they need to cut its price in half and start including
less expensive, but more variety, CD's than Groliers.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What in the heck in an 'Archimedes'??
Summary: ARM for Apple
Keywords: Newton, Archimedes, Apple
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:56:16 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich

In article <1992Sep30.124317.9916@csu.edu.au> geoff@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Geoffrey Fellows) writes:
>Did someone mention that the Archimedes's CPU (or a low-power version)
>is used in Apple's Newton?

  Sort of.

The ARM was redesigned. As a result it is now a 'standard cell' you can
use in your chip design. They then used this 'cell' to design a chip in
which they put it with some more logic (bus arbitration, a sinple
mmu and 'byte swap' logic).
Thus the new chip was born.

Bye
  Matija
>Geoff gfellows@csu.edu.au
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:27:11 GMT
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In article <n0abdt@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>
>And what if you wanted to go from 386 to 486? Throw away the entire
>motherboard!  Gee.
>

So?  That new motherboard will cost you a fraction of what that new Amiga CPU
card costs!  I could upgrade my 386 to a 486/33 for less than $500!  How
much would it cost to upgrade your A3000 to an 040?

>
>You get orphaned in the clone world even more than anywhere else!
>

Untrue.

>
>6 months down the line, your machine is obsolete.
>

Why?  Does it stop working?

>
>Those things devalue like you wouldnt believe.
>

They're still cheaper to upgrade than any other systems.

>
>Lets say, that you had bought a 386 instead of the A3000.  And now,
>you want to upgrade to a 486 with better graphics:
>
>First, toss out the entire mother board and get a 486 board.
>Then, toss out the graphics card, and get a new one.
>
>Gee, might as well just buy a whole new machine.
>

Why?  There are the hard drives, the disk controller, the sound board, the
floppy drives, the serial card, the mouse, the keyboard, the monitor, etc.
Why would you want to replace all of those things if all you want is a faster
CPU?  On a typical system, replace the motherboard.  On an "upgradeable" PC,
replace the CPU daughtercard.
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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:43:15 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

What an ass!  Comparing AmigaDOS 2.0x to GEM in TOS 1.0 - give me a
freaking break!  In case you didn't know, TOS 2.0x and TOS 3.0x both
arrived slightly befor AmigaDOS 2.0x was widely available (i.e. other
machines besides the 3000) with the new NewDesk GUI - a radically enhanced
form of GEM - I have used both the new WorkBench and NewDesk and can
honestly say that NewDesk beats it as far as intuition goes, every damned
command is customizable - and look, plenty of fills, patterns and colors to
chose from.........Jeez.


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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:41:50 GMT

Jerry Shekhel (jerry@connection.prospect.com) wrote:
: In article <n0abdt@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
: >
: >And what if you wanted to go from 386 to 486? Throw away the entire
: >motherboard!  Gee.
: >
: 
: So?  That new motherboard will cost you a fraction of what that new Amiga CPU
: card costs!  I could upgrade my 386 to a 486/33 for less than $500!  How
: much would it cost to upgrade your A3000 to an 040?
[stuff deleted]
: CPU?  On a typical system, replace the motherboard.  On an "upgradeable" PC,
: replace the CPU daughtercard.

On some systems, you can upgrade your processer power by adding an Intel
"Overdrive" chip.  The chip is typically one of the 486DX2 line of chips.
This probably worked great for 486DX/25 owners who wanted to upgrade to the
486DX2/50.  All they had to do is buy a chip, and thier system got much
faster.

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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: aga in 500/2000/3000?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:47:39 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Sep20.052256.21313@ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri) writes:
>>   As a side note, I'd like to say that I FINALLY don't see what the big deal
>>is about Quicktime on the Mac.  I played with a QT movie on a Quadra 700.  At
>>80x60x256, it ran quite smoothly on a 19" monitor (including sound).  When
>>enlarging the QT window to 320x200 or so, the frame rate dropped from 30fps to
>>5-10fps.  And full screen?  Lucky to get 1-2fps from quicktime.  Another plus
>>for the Amiga, its graphics chipset, ANIM and CDXL formats, the Commodore
>>engineering team and its executives.
>
>If/when the Amiga OS has support to play back an ANIM on any graphics device,
>come back and talk about frame rates.  Otherwise, you're comparing errr...
>apples and commodores :)
>
>best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>

With frame rates/screen size limitations this bad, it's stretching 
to say that a Mac can playback aminations AT ALL!

"The mac will fail to playback animation to any graphics device...
...that's device independance!"

Macintosh... the power to take a rest."
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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Re: real falcon 030 specs
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:23:15 GMT

eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:

>Anders Skelander writes:

>> lower CPU speed runs TOS code faster than the ST does? I don't
>> think the Amiga's blister, sorry, blitter, will be of any use in this
>> case, since TOS routines aren't specifically written for it.

>Isn't there a more-than small possibility that the line-A emulation code uses the
>blitter where it is useful?

 Do you mean that the routines called by line-A codes use the Amiga
blitter, in other words, that Atari blitter "calls" are translated to
Amiga blitter "calls" by the ST emulator? 

 In that case, I'm impressed.

 Anders Skelander
 
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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re:  REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.143309.164683@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> rws@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
|So we're back to my original point, I have stated time and time again that the
|4000 and the falcon are not going to be competing they are aimed at different
|markets.  What I am saying and have always said is that commodore need a low
|end machine with falcon type specs.  The home market is very important to
|commodore and the only reason you have a 3000 let alone a 4000 is because the
|amiga has been kept alive by the 500.  

	Why does Commodore NEED this machine?  Like I said, the current models
are still selling.  If at some future point the company starts losing sales
on those models then they'll need to be changed.  UNTIL THEN, if it ain't
broke you don't @#$! with it.

	Maybe when the Falcon gets into the stores you'll have a point, but
until then Commodore has nothing to lose sleep over.  There's nothing to be
gained by screwing up your marketing over vaporware.


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Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:22:57 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Oct06.072718.23663@rmece49.upr.clu.edu>, s64453@rmece49.upr.clu.edu (hernandez machado ricardo) writes:
>
>   I agree that C= does this.  My concern comes, however, for a company
>like Psygnosis.  Excellent games, that have to by pass the OS.  What is
>my suggestion?  Allow the OS to report the location of specific registers.
>
>- Raist

Hmmmm, you mean those psygnosis games that seem to work just FINE under DOS,
but require "bypassing" the OS on the amiga....i think Psygnosis may just have
to begin writing games that are (heaven-forbid) HD-installable/OS Friendly.


Jim
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 30 Sep 1992 09:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
: 	So PLLEEEEEZE, Commodore, take pity on a loyal lost soul and
: send me a free A4000 and maybe a box of "Wheaties."
: 
: 					Desperate Dan

Dan.  That was so... touching.  So sympathetically touching that you
may actually GET that free A4000, so you won't have to live inside a
floppy drive any more...

_NOT_.

Quick, somebody steal his house.

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