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From: dirceu@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (Dirceu G. Cavendish Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: America Doesn't have a Clue (was Say Yes to Japan)
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:23:44 GMT
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
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In-reply-to: blamb@hri.com's message of 23 Dec 92 17:28:40 GMT


I think I got your point, Bill. I just used your post to elaborate on the
fairness problem.

In article <7560@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:

[stuff deleted]
 >
 >Asserting, or reasserting, your power to overcome theirs
 >would be 'war' indeed, but who was most influential for
 >the conditions that portend it?
 >
 >Are the Japanese the new "Evil Empire"? Other ways, and
 >other means have to be sought to balance power and insure
 >each other's national security. Escalation of business
 >into a mindset of war is not the ultimate answer, and is
 >a destabilizing influence at best.
 >
 >- Bill Lambert

No, they are not the new Evil Empire. Perhaps one more emerging super power
seeking dominance over their counterparts. Whatever sort of war certainly
is not the right answer, indeed. We will be close to the right answer when
we (nations) start to really care about others nation problems, looking
for harmony, not for overwhelming each others power in a neverending war...

Dirceu
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From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,misc.invest,misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: Kodak vs. Fuji (was: DOES AMERICA SAY ...)
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:43:30 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
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In article <BILLD.92Dec21131539@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM> (soc.culture.japan,misc.invest,misc.entrepreneurs), billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp) writes:
>                   Kodak discovered that they could hire independent
> consultants in Japan and ask them to do market research without the
> formation of the subsidiary being complete.  Kodak's market research
> took the form of house-to-house surveys to determine how much film was
> actually in a year by the average consumer.  Kodak's consultants
> carefully recorded the responses and proceeded to give people a years
> supply of film for free.  They did this in a number of Japanese
> cities, I don't know how which ones for sure, but Osaka sticks in my
> mind as being one of them. 
> 
> Fuji suddenly found themselves with a glut of film intended for
> domestic consumption and no revenue to finance the dumping of film in
> the US and were forced to back off of their assault on Kodak.  

Boy George, this sure sounds like Kodak was dumping film on the Japanese
market.  Interesting...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Comfort girls?
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:57:06 GMT

In article <C0001M.AAF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> 
achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Achenoriko-Tang) writes:

>In article <1ho168INN1cv@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU 
>(James C. Liu) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.214852.25986@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.
>>Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>
>>What is more
>>important is that descendants of those that commit atrocities be
>>educated sufficiently so they will take up the responsibility to
>>preventing it from ever happening again.  
>>
>>

>I have to disagree with you here.  What is more important is that
>the descendants of those victims be educated sufficiently so that
>they can wait for the right opportunity for just revenge.

And guess what that buys you ????????  

If you are still uncertain, just check out the news stories about the 
'just revenge' the Serbs are so keen on visiting on the 50-year 
descendents of the Chetniks who abused them on behalf of the Nazis 
during WW II.  The folks they are so keen to murder weren't even _born_ 
when the crimes for which they suffer this 'revenge' took place !!!  
Does that sound like 'justice' to you ???  

>The only language that certain races in this world understands
>is the language of brutality.  

That is not only racist, but _PRECISELY_ the sort of attitude that 
assholes like Milosevic use to 'justify' further abuses of human rights.  

>                               To prevent incidents like the rape
>of Nanjing from ever happening again, you must make it very clear
>to others that if you hit me with a stick, I will pulverize your
>brain with a hammer.

I believe in self-defense .. with deadly force, if need be.  And if I 
die and go to Hell, I hope they put me in charge of the folks responsible 
for the massacre at Nanjing (evil grin).  But your attitude permits only 
one appropriate response.  

    Sieg Heil, jerkweed.  

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:08:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.195341.4921@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>Pardon my French, but bullshit. Sony BOUGHT patents on the transistors. They
>undersold everyone because the exchange rate was about Y450 per dollar at
>the time.

Is this some sort of "effective" or black market rate?
After WWII, the currency rate was decided at $1=360-yen (by GHQ orders)
and was fixed since then, until the "Nixon Shock" (1972?).

This means that the yen before WWII was denominated (or rather, devalued)
by about a 100:1 ratio which scrapped all the pre-war savings
(and of course, there were no government compensation).

The 360-yen rate was said to be decided because "yen" means circle,
and a circle encompasses 360 degrees -- though this maybe a folklore.
# reminds how the IBM-360 was named.

The change in currency rate (which is now about thrice of what it used
to be) caused many peculiar effects -- eg. the income per capita ranking
of Japan popped up some 10 places or so out of nothing... ;-)

-YH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Article _Science News_ "Blame Elvis for Japan's competitiveness"
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:05:18 GMT

In article <10159.9212271535@csparc12.scs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.042744.21369@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>[reference to '50s electronics deleted, but...] (stolen :-) ).
>>Archaeologist Michael Schiffer of the University of Arizona based 
>>the above on research done by studying ...
>
>Actually it seems to me that Japan already was an economic juggernaut before
>the second world war. After all, all those weapons, fighter planes, etc had
>to come from *somewhere*, and they weren't imported from the US.
>
>Could it not be that Japan was an "economic miracle" waiting to happen, and
>microelectronics just gave it an excuse?

Well, I wouldn't call it an excuse. Japan WAS the most heavily industrialized 
nation in Asia before the war, but certainly nothing like it is now. After the
war, the US government decided that a more-or-less lightly industrialized 
economy was what was preferred. That changed with the start of the Korean War,
and the US helped/pushed Japan to industrialize more completely. 

As for the effectiveness of Japan's wartime industry in aiding it against the
US, remember that we devoted only 15% of our our military output to the Pacific
front until late 1944. Japan was on the defensive from about the middle of 
1942. I don't think anyone seriously believes that, given Japan's current level
of industrial capability, a 15% portion of OUR current capabilities would be 
sufficient under similar circumstances.

Mike
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one disagreeing is obviously either a) a snivelling, whining, mentally-
deficient, weak-willed, inconsequential, namby-pamby tool of some vague but
conveniently defined conspiracy, or b) my wife.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Telephones in Japan
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:44:03 GMT

comptec91025@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Ian Hobday) writes:

>[ Part of original deleted... ]

>>>What does it cost to get a phone installed in Japan (Osaka area, in case it 
>>>matters).  How about monthly charges?  Are all calls by the minute?  Is 
>>>there a difference between local/long distance?  Do apartments ever come with 
>>>phones installed (what is the norm?)?
>> 
>> The last time I got a phone it cost me 72,800 yen for the line which
>> they bring to the outside of the house. To have it connected to the
>> inside runs about 10,000 yen unless you do it yourself (I do).

>Hmm, how did you run it in yourself?  With a few tips I'm sure that I could 
>too.  Does it work the same with apartments?  Someone else menitioned that a 
>lot of this original is a deposit...Do you know how much?

I can only tell you how I did it at may place. First I tell NTT
office that I only want the line brought to the fuse box on side of
the house.  Then I make sure the guys who run the line from the pole
to the house do only that. Then it varies: In the beginning the line
was already in place so all I had to do was just attach it (I pulled
out the fuses, attached the lines and then put the fuses back in).
Next two I ran my own line out through the same place in the wall.
Then I had to make my own hole so I borrowed a drill, made the hole
and got the same kind of grey plastic pipe with some grommet-like
ends that NTT uses and put it in place (didn't do such a neat job so
I filled in with some caulking compound). 

If you're lucky, the line will be like mine and already there from
the previous person so all you'll have to do it attach it. If not,
then I'd look around to see how it's done in a place similar to
yours. 

Come to think of it, when I got the 0070 service they came out and
installed a Q-box (no extra charge) which automatically adds '0070'
in front of what you dial if it will save you money. To install the
Q-box they had to rewire all the way to the fuse box on the outside
wall. So maybe if you got the 0070 at the same time they would do
the job for you :-)

As for a deposit, never heard of it.

Hope that helps,

Dave

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From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: America Doesn't have a Chance (was: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN?)
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:16:30 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <thomasd.41.724958695@tps.COM> thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.004520.29380@leland.Stanford.EDU> strange@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mike Strange) writes:
>
>>Let's just get one thing straight about all these domestic content arguments.
>>If you have ever been to Toyota Georgetown, Honda Marysville, NUMMI Fremont or
>>some of their suppliers, which I have, you will see that all the items that
>>are counted as part of domestic content are marginally domestic.
>
>>The people in these plants I have talked to have led me to believe that the
>>true domestic content is closer to 15-20%.  Disturbingly, they all say that
>>true domestic content is shrinking.  So, when you see that 51% of a Toyota
>>or Honda is domestic content, look at what is being counted, I think you will
>>be surprised.

>What most of the posters on this track don't seem to want to address is that 
>manufacturing power and control of the world economy are the same *and* are 
>the "moral equivalent" to war.  Yep, war.  We are fighting for survival 
>against an "enemy" who knows us better than we know ourselves.  Japan is 
>going to kick our butts because we are almost totally unarmed in this 
>battle.  We have pitiful management skills, a treasonous government (
>Remember Reagan's $2 mil fee for a speach in Japan almost immediately after 
>leaving office?), no will to do the hard job of designing and manufacturing 
>consumer products, and a national tendancy toward decadance.  

For a fairly complete discussion of this issue I would suggest "The Coming
War with Japan".  The authors discuss Japan's rise as a power, including their
war with Russia and their invasion of other countries to locate raw materials.
When the U.S. cut oil exports to Japan they felt they needed to obtain oil
without incurring U.S. wrath and so bombed Pearl Harbor.

After the war, both Germany and Japan were in essentially starvation situations
and there were those who would have kept them that way.  When North Korea
invaded South Korea in 1950 the U.S. was the only country with much of a
military or economic capability.  The U.S. urged Japan to rebuild to have an
ally in the Far East.  Now that the Soviet Union is not a power house that it
was, the U.S. no longer needs to support German or Japanese economics.  The
authors contend that in order to protect it's imports, Japan will create a
military that will be a powerhouse in the Far East.

Likewise, Germany could well be as powerful as they were during WW II as they
reunite with the areas they controlled at that time.  One issue keeping the
EC from finishing its Union is the distrust of Germany by Britain and France.

In neither of these cases is the Soviet Union available to counter Japanese or
German interests.  With regard to the East, the question of which countries
Japan allies itself with may determine what happens in that area.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: "joe kuroda" <joe.kuroda@canrem.com>
Subject: kouhaku utagassen
Reply-To: "joe kuroda" <joe.kuroda@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:52:04 EST


Hi All. 

Just in case, this reaches someone within the next few days, what 
should be the highlights of this year's Kouhaku Utagassen (Annual Red 
and White Song Festival on NHK) ?  

I find it a trifle too long so if I just try to be awake on those 
*memorable* moments, I won't feel like a total outcast later .... <g>

Thank and a Happy New Year !

               ==> Joe <==

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From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Hus Fu and the Japanese
Date: 26 Dec 1992 18:50:38 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
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In article <BzsHHx.Atw@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov 
(Michiaki Masuda) writes:

  >   Probably, the most sensitive and useful tool to analyze the genetic
  >relationship between subgroups in the same species should be the
  >comparison of mitochondrial (mt) DNA. (I once collaborated with a researcher

Ahhh!  Finally flushed somebody with some expertise on this subject.  I
knew it! 8-)

  >   I don't think there are sufficient molecular biological data for anyone 
  >to say anything conclusive about the genetic relationship among Asian
  >people.

But can they say with some probability whence and what root stock that
the Orientals diverged?  Probably.  The other question is: do the
cultural theories even jive with any of the prelim data that we have on
mt DNA?  If not, we should be throwing them out.

  >   I personally think that this type of molecular anthropology is an
  >interesting field and should contribute to a human knowledge. Would anyone 
  >be interested in giving me an opportunity to organize it?
  >
  >--Michiaki

Prez-Elect Bill C. may be entertaining new National Lab and Inst. of
Health research topics.  Lawrence Berkeley Lab is attempting to Map the
human genome.  A little mt. DNA analyses on the side might be in order.
Proposals can be sent to NSF too.  8-).

Jaa, James
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From: farber@linc.cis.upenn.edu (David Farber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Does America need a MITI
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:50:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



In a ppaper I have written about the US Gigabit Testbeds I take the 
position that it is wrong to try to copy 
another nations ways. Our culture in the US
is not Japans. When we try to copy their school we usually
dont succeed and visa versa. Each culture calls for a different solution
that fits the national ways.


An Americam MITI is fine but it will not resemble the Japanese MITI and will
interact with industry and academia 
much differently..

Dave

ps copies of the paper are available on specific request

David Farber; Prof. of CIS and EE, U of Penn, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6389 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon )
Subject: Re: NHK Dramas on Videotape?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:55:19 GMT

cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:

>As quoted from <1992Dec30.165427.1820@island.COM> by fester@island.COM (Mike Fester):

>> In article <C01zxL.6xp@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>> >When I lived in Chicago during '84-'86, Ch. 26 showed a number of NHK serials.
>> >I have most of Miyamoto Mushashi.
>> 
>> Also, Kinokuniya will order them for you. Not cheap, though.

>A less expensive option (for those in civilization) is to try Japanese
>oriented (no pun intended) video/bookstores.  If I remember correctly, Japan
>Books in Chicago (Clark St., near Mongolian House) had quite a collection of
>Japanese videos for rent.  I rented several Zatoichi and yakuza films.   Many
>of them seemed to come off of television, so it's not impossible that they
>may have some of the NHK serials that someone taped for them in Japan.

Japan Books moved several years ago.  They're now further north at 3450 West
Peterson near Kimball.  There used to be a rather large Japanese community
in the neighborhood around the original Japan Books but the neighborhood
changed.  Tokyo Video is closer to Wrigleyville than the
"new" Japan Books.  Tokyo Video is located near Fullerton on Halsted.  I don't
know the exact address off hand but it is above a sushi place.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
Subject: Re: Congradulation to New President
Summary: Hangul and Ko-ryo: not happy terms; pls use Korea
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:39:48 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management
Keywords: Hangul, Ko-ryo, misnomers

In article <QfDsnA_00iUx82JHUp@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
>Subject: Congradulation to New President
>Date: 28 Dec 92 23:25:00 GMT
>Friends,
>
>            I feel that the recent election of Kim Young Sam will be the
>turning point in Asian politics. 
 **** < cut > ****
>            It is my hope that this individual will help to solve Hangul's
                                                                   ****** 
social problems. From my Hangul friends,
                         ******
>Ko-ryo's greatest of leaders.
 ******

Thanks, Asano sang, for your interest in Pres. Election in Korea.
I don't wanna be involved in a personal opinion on politics, here. But
I just wanna say that the terms, Hangul and Ko-ryo, are not relevant; so
"Korea(n)" should be used in English, or "HanKuk (/Han-Gook/)" if you
don't mind using a Korean style of pronunciation for "KanGoKu" in Japanese.
"Hangul" stands for the Korean language; and "Ko-ryo" stands for the name
of an old, by-gone dynasty.

>>>>> chpark <<<<<
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Comfort girls
Date: 3 Jan 1993 07:03:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Ross-c: I did not feel that it was necessray to clarify the origin of 
the 30,000 Amerasian children because that was not the point of the
original thread. The original thread argued that because of the amount
of Amerasian children, the U.S. should be considered more of a criminal
than Japan. It's thesis was not that these children were born to 
prostitutes. Therefore, I responded arguging that the U.S. cannot be
considered a larger criminal because, however large the Amerasian 
population, the service men in blame were not supported by the American
government. Thus, you can see that I was not arguing the origins of 
the Amerasian children because it was never brought up as the original
thesis topic anyway. What WAS brought up was the accusation against 
the American government as being a larger criminal than the Japanese
government because of the large population of Amerasians born to 
U.S. servicemen. And I clearly stated that this was irrelevent 
information because the government had no official involvement in 
forced sex crimes by American servicement, in contrast to the Japanese.

It makes no sense to quote from my article referring to the original
thread if you have nothing relevent to the thread to say. If you wish
to argue the original poster's writing style and technique, than you
shouldn't criticize me for not protesting something that is irrelevent
to the original thesis. You should've attacked the original poster's use
of the word "prostitute", rather than attack my article for not responding
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: and now for something completely different
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:14:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Here is a very good book, which is worth reading even if you
are not interested in Japan.  It is available in paperback now, 
too:
The Lady and the Monk, four seasons in Kyoto
by Pico Iyer

Cathy
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Miyazawa's comments on Pres. Clinton.
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:54:56 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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	Well, At least Bill has more Burakumin on his Cabinet than PM
	Miyazawa does...

						Ryan M. Gill