From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Why I Am a Feminist
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:05:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.011058.1764@ils.nwu.edu> lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.155722.26638@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.161630.9723@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>>>mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>>>payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>>
>>>>>>Men and women both have good points and bad points, strengths and
>>>>>>weaknesses. Reading posts here gives one the impression that the only
>>>>>>things men do deserving consideration is to rape, sexually harrass, have
>>>>>>sex with their children, etc... 
>>>  
>>>>>Oh please.  You're tempting me to pull your post that says, "Who here has
>>>>>said this!  Give examples!  If things are as you paint, you should be
>>>>>able to point just about *any* post to prove your point!" or something
>>>>>like that.  (Then we could have 50,000 follow-ups where I go, "BUT IS
>>>>>THIS REPRESENTATIVE!!".)  But I think it's not a good idea to get Rich
>>>>>started.  :)
>>> 
>>>>Well, there are a few duplications, but there were 175 instances of the
>>>>word rape in the last 10 days. Here is a list, I can compress the posts
>>>>and mail them to you if you want.
>>>
>>>Well, if you think talking about rape, sexually harrassment and
>>>child abuse by default *implies* that's the only things men do, okay 
>>>you win.  I, for one, have not drawn the same conclusion.  
>>
>>Lets's turn that around, is rape a normal everyday topic, which, like
>>the weather, you would expect to come up in most conversations?
>
>Is this alt.weather?
>I didn't think so.
 
Is this alt.evasion, alt.clever.comeback? I didn't think so. 
 
>>Because it eventually gets brought up in a majority (I am pretty sure)
>>of topics here.
>
>Most of the times *I've* seen it brought up were in Gazit leavings.
>You know, those wonderful little posts where he finds some truly stupid quote
>from a RadFem to pick apart.
>Another time includes that guy who said he couldn't say rape was wrong.
>Then there are all the ones that pointed out that only a very small percentage
>of men rape.

But it seems that it gets brought up in 100% of the custody topics,
and I doubt if you could have a rape-free abortion or pregnancy discussion.
It seems much more than a remote possibility.
 
>Face it, your data sampling is worthless.  Your conclusion may be correct, but
>so far, you've got nothing in the way of proof.
 
Pleaze, this is stupid. Go back and re-read, rini asked for EXAMPLES.
I posted examples. You can take your data sampling comment and jump in
the nearest lake.
 
>>I would also like to point out that feminists say that what men say, and
>>the way they say it, limits and devalue women. If this is true, does
>>not the same apply to the way feminists talk about men? 
>
>Discussing rape does not automatically mean one is discussing all men, as you
>seem to think it does.

Then the claims feminists make about language devaluing women are equally
suspect.

>"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu

Rich

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