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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What makes a movie good (*LONG*)(was: Re: why i watch movies)
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:34:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Neal Priestly writes:

[stuff deleted because I felt like it]

>Another Criteria for the film to be considered good is the ability to
>care for the characters, which generally flows from good characterization.
>In this I felt that Empire was the best of the _Star Wars_ films,  I
>could put myself in Luke's shoes as he fought against himself while 
>dueling with Vader/Anakin before the emperor.  The acting was important,
>but it was the development of the character which truly pulled it off.
>You got to know Luke and his motivations, predjudices and reactions.
>Instead of just having to suffer through yet annother swordfight, I
>could almost feel myself in the postition, I cared about whether Luke
>could come through the battle both with his skin and soul intact.

[more stuff deleted because that's the way it goes]

Sounds more like _Return of the Jedi_ than _Empires Strikes Back_...

(just being nitpicky)


Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: with cuts restored: d
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:24:34 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

PC>Last weekend I turned on the Fox channel here and caught Dune.  It
PC>turned out to be what I think is a Director's Edition.  There were MANY
PC>scenes I have not seen before.  Even the intro is completely different.
PC>Virginia Madsen no longer appears in the intro.  Instead, she is
PC>replaced by a series of paintings, some of them of actual movie footage.
PC> The longer intro explains the background of the story.  There are also
PC>explanations inserted at various points of the movie.  The voiceovers
PC>are no longer done by Virginia, either.

     This "special edition" of Dune was put together especially for
     TV broadcasts.  It was done so against the wishes of the director,
     David Lynch.  Lynch was so outraged with this version of his movie
     that he filed an official protest and had his name removed from the
     credits.  As a result, this version of "Dune" is credited to the
     fictitious pseudonym "Allen Smithee."

PC>I think it's a MUCH better version than the one currently available in
PC>videostores.  Any idea how I can get a hold of it?

     You'll have to tape it off of TV, as it's never been released onto
     cable - and TV stations don't give away or sell their movie prints.
     (I wrote to ABC once, asking for a copy of their broadcast version
     of "Superman" with some additional footage not seen in the theatre,
     and they told me to write to Warner Bros.)
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From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Attenborough's "Charlie"
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:57:25 GMT

rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>In article <cosulliv.714062087@sfu.ca>, cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan) writes:
>> Has anyone out there seen trailers for the Chaplin biopic due out in
>> December? Does the film seem destined for box-office smashdom or
>> flopdom? 

>Have ANY of these film bio's of Film stars been successful, other than 
>Yankee Doodle Dandy?  What was that disaster with Rod Steiger as WC Fields?
>Then we branch out to sports and see Ruth go belly up.   Is Hollywood so 
>enamoured of itself that it thinks we want to see someone imitate chaplin?  
>Reminds me of Songs that only Show Biz types like and we have to suffer 
>though... "If they could see me now." and "There's no business like Show 
>Business."

>rlwilliams@gallua

>> Actually, by your terms then Gandhi would be a flop as he died in 1948 and 
not as many people remember him.  You must remember that Chaplin at one point 
was the most famous man in the world, and as a cinematic icon is appropriated,
however commercially, by computer companies for maximum recognition value.
The Lou Gehrig Story, with Gary Cooper, was quite successful as well. It is not Hollywood itself that wants us to see Chaplin.  Hollywood was quite leery about financing the flick.  It's Attenborough who wants us to see Chaplin, and I
think that the reason why the Chaplin family desisted for so long to allow a
biopic to be made was for the very reason that Chaplin deserves more than to
have a sentimental rehash of his life through Hollywood's hypocritical admiring
eyes. Just because Chaplin was a film actor doesn't mean he wasn't a genius
and that his life wasn't worth documenting.  Read his autobiography.


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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Movies starring Claude Akins Wanted.
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:31:51 GMT



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From: Paul Schroeder
Subject: Re: best war movies
Organization: BNR
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:03:24 GMT

My all-time favorite war movies:

	_Lawrence of Arabia_
	_The Great Escape_
	_The Bridge on the River Kwai_
	_The Guns of Navarone_
	_The Boat (Das Boot)_
	_The Train_
	_Operation Crossbow_
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From: ummorea0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gene Moreau)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:49:56 GMT

Looks like a realtivly old thread, but has any one mentioned Apocalypse Now?

There is also The Great Escape.


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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: casablanca
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:46:49 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

     Ted Turner must be a BIG fan of laserdiscs, because his laserdisc
     marketing department a lot of effort into releasing the best discs
     of the classics around, at prices that must be making Criterion
     furious.  His latest coup is the 50th anniversary edition of
     "Casablanca," which is due on video in September.  There will be
     a $25 videotape release and a $100 Limited Edition Boxed Set
     video release - but what's interesting here is how much the
     laserdisc of the same set will cost.  The CLV laserdisc will be
     $30 - and the CAV Boxed Set laserdisc will only be $50!

     The videotape and CLV laserdisc contain:

          The movie.  (No kidding!)  "You must remember this..."
          The original theatrical trailer.  (Turner's been making this
                        a standard of all his disc releases, and I
                        like it!)
          A 30-minute documentary on the making of "Casablanca" called
                        "You Must Remember This" (redundant, no?),
                        narrated by Lauren Bacall.  (Bogey's still-living
                        wife, and a star in her own right.)
          A companion booklet by author Rudy Behlmer.

     The Boxed set has all this stuff, plus:

          The hardcover book "Casablanca: 50 Years"
          Five "collectible production stills."
          A reproduction of the original shooting script of the movie.
                        (Does it include all those legendary changes
                        and rewrites, I wonder?)
          A "Limited Edition" numbered certificate.
          And the laserdisc Boxed Set is in CAV.

     Now's the time to pre-order from your local video store.

     (In addition, Turner is offering a "Return To Rick's" sweepstakes
     form with the new release of "Casablanca," with the grand prize
     being a trip to - where else? - Paris and Casablanca, where the
     winner visits the real-life Rick's Cafe Americain.)
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:33:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: pmafire.1992Aug19.183318.5873
Organization: Computer Nerd (is that redundant?), WINCO, INEL, Idaho


I'm surprised no one has offered our terms yet.

	The Flicker

	The Changer

(Flicker is more likely to be heard.)

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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Subject: Re: AFTER HOURS (was HEAD-less)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:50:15 GMT


jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:

>[In response to my offeringof:]     
>>>Linda Fiorentino. I thought her boyfriend - Horst, the leather-clad
>>>S & M dude with impeccable etiquette, played by Will Patton -
>>>was also a riot.                                
                                                  
>cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:         
>>I agree wholeheartedly:
>>                                      
>>"That was very rude of you before, Paul."      
>>                                   
>>What else has he been in?                 
                                  
>"Desperately Seeking Susan" - Played the deranged-looking guy who was trying
to
    "reclaim" the stolen earrings from Roseanna Arquette/Madonna. Another weird
     NYC-based movie.                      
                
>"No Way Out" - Played Scott Pritchard, assistant to the Secretary of Defense.

>are the only two high-visibility roles I can think of.

Oh, I didn't make the connection!  I didn't realize he was in
_No Way Out_. His performance in that movie was one of the
best things about the film. I hope he gets more roles
in the future......very interesting actor.


Mark B. Bendiksen
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: WOODY ALLEN MOVIES
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:45:12 GMT

In article <2hjyj!m@rpi.edu> garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:
>
>Also, his next movie, MANHATTEN MURDER MYSTERY, begins shooting in two weeks.
>It was slated to star Mia Farrow, but [surprise] she was replaced-- by Diane
>Keaton.

He has a TITLE for his movie already?????

I thought he usually thought them up long after the filming stopped.

Hmm.  Maybe an oblique reference to his feelings towards Mia now?



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From: stabosz@chopin.udel.edu (Rae Stabosz)
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:37:56 GMT

We call ours the changer.  The two most common sentences are
"Where's the changer?" and "Give me the changer", with variations
in kid whining mode like "So and so won't give me the changer!  I
had it first."

Rae
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Do the Aliens come from EARTH?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:43:43 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <rabjab.12.0@golem.ucsd.edu>, by rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof):
> I think a good case can be made that long before the crew of the Nostrono 
> made contact with the derelict ship on LV-426, the Company developed
> the Alien species and infected another civilization's home planet.  

Sorry, but that's pure nonsense.  It explicitly contradicts Ash's
mission, Mothers misleading informations plus the fact that the
Nostromo was sent (yes, sent; perhaps you should watch Alien again) to
LV 426 at all.  It also completely contradicts the Company's handling
of LV 426 in Aliens.
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From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What is Arnie doing ??
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:50:29 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

>>>>>Well the subject says it all - What is Arnold Schwarzenegger doing theese 
>>>>>days ??

Attending the Republican National Convention.
.
.
.


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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Audience Comments During Movies
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:46:29 GMT

In <1992Aug7.112030.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

>          "Henry Five?!?!?!?  I forgot to see the first four!!!"
>Well, I thought it was funny...

Yeah - but you have a weird sense o' humor.  The Best all time was
Homer leaving Empire Strikes Back "Can you believe Darth was Luke's
father?!?"  -  D'OH!
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From: fafhrd@jessica.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: Freshman Smarm - Less Than Zero?
Organization: Leland Stanford Junior University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:37:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.150140.22218@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:

>P.S. Another chilling and effective role in the film was the
>     drug dealer, played by ???????. Someone help me, I have
>     a mental blank. I know the actor played in _Pretty in
>     Pink_, _Jack's Back_, _Bad Influence_, and others. But
>     I can't recall his name. Oh yeah, he was also the weirdo
>     in _Sex, Lies, and Videotape_. Damn, what's his name?
>
>-- 

	That's James Spader.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:41:15 GMT
Organization: HMS

My ex-girlfriend used to call it a "Penis Extension".

-Mark
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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:44:35 GMT

In <j61mpjb.royg@netcom.com> royg@netcom.com (Roy H. Gordon) writes:

>: 4.  _Dawn Patrol_ - Flynn, Niven, Rathbone!  All-time classic WWI
>: 	air combat.

>	I prefer the stagey but more raw Howard Hawks original (1930).

Have only seen parts of this at the National Air and Space museum
(They have a great exibit about WWI flying movies, and do a scene
by scene comparison of both _Dawn Patrols_!) 


>Other favorites of mine (feel free to flame my opinions.  Maybe we'll
>get some good discussions going.):

nothing to flame (damn! :>) it's a great list. 

>Go Tell the Spartans (1978) - An early Vietnam film about the early days
>	I like it much better than Platoon.

this was a good one (and better than Platoon)  The impact of Platoon in
the theatre when it came out, however, cannot be denied - The end of the
film saw the audience I was in, in a complete state of shock.  Men of the
approximate Viet Vet age were openly weeping, and my group of friends didn't
say a *single word* on the 45 minute trip back from Charlotte to our podunk
college...... 

>Do war films have to have blood and guts and lots of battles?  If so, these
>next three won't qualify.

it sure helps! :> 

Another good "war movie" is the British series "Piece of Cake" which
was shown in the US on Masterpiece Theatre - the book is even better,
and will make you laugh out loud.

gary cooper (not the dead one)
are any brewpubs looking to hire Full Time taste-testers? 
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From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: American titles of foreign films (was: Manon of the Spring )
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.155436.18306@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
>In article <2665@nlsun1.oracle.nl>, gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes...
>
>} Okay, forgive my total ignorance of the German language, but I have
>} seen written somewhere that the German title of this film translates as
>} "Angels Over Berlin" (truly uninspired) - could this be so??
>
>No. As Markus said, "Himmel" means either "sky" or "Heaven".
>

Gee, sort of like English where "the heavens" means "sky."
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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Howards End ...& Hamlet
Keywords: Howards End, Helena Bonham-Carter, Hamlet
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:46:00 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug12.112723.18022@rata.vuw.ac.nz> howard@toru.isor.vuw.ac.nz (Howard Silby) writes:

[In response to my favorable reaction to Howards End:]

>Does the above ommision of Helena Bonham-Carter imply that you didn't like
>her performance? 

Not at all; as I said, I thought everyone was good.  But those I named
seemed to me extraordinary.  H B-C was as good as I knew she'd be; the
others surpassed even my high expectations of them.  (I feel like a kid
who, having put on one of the two sweaters he got for his birthday,
hears his mother say "Oh...you didn't like the other one?)  :-)

>I think all the Forster adaptations have been above-average so far. Does
>anyone know if The Longest Journey is going to be made? I guess if Merchant
>Ivory make it, it could take a while -apparently they first approached
>H B-C way back in 1986 about doing Howard's End.

Merchant Ivory have said specifically that they will NOT do "The Longest
Journey."  They made a statement to the effect that they've done three,
they should leave something for others.

Jon Alan Conrad
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From: msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Freshman Smarm
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:19:53 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

I think the mythical name was "Western Pacific University" or 
something similar - definitely CA!
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Oliver Stone NEW MOVIE?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:33:46 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <TK.92Aug13153647@lagrange.iesd.auc.dk>, tk@iesd.auc.dk (Tomas Kristensen) writes:
> Yesterday, my local Newspaper brought this little note:
> Director Oliver Stone is currently planning a movie about the 
> Spanish Civil War. David Bowie is supposed to have a play a
> leading role. App. the movie will be build over the book 
> "Homage to Catalonia" by George Orwell.
> 
> Please confirm these rumors, and elaborate on David Bowies role in it.
> 
> -Tomas

Groan.  It sounds like history about to remade, just like JFK.

I don't see any way for Stone to make a movie from "Homage to
Catalonia" that isn't a hack job.  For starters, HtC paints the
Soviet Union and Communism in a very bad light.  An accurate
depiction of HtC will show how the Communists maneuvered the
government into attempting to disarm the workers.  Stone would
have to discredit the entire leftist establishment, if he made
HtC accurately into film.
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homosexual community.  Being popular at a child's expense isn't worth it.
From: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: audience comments dur
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:20:24 EST
Reply-To: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

gt7219a@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Michael Lawyer) writes:

CM>I have also been in situations where the comments are funny
CM>as hell.  I would further argue that there are movies in
CM>which the comments are standard fare.  Consider The Rocky
CM>Horror Picture Show.  I don't think that anyone expects
CM>to go to see it at midnight and not have crazy, zany things
CM>going on in the theater.

Like a lot of people, I too have been to the local 'Roxy Theatre'
that used to show THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW every Saturday
night and it was quite an experience, even went enough times to
participate with some of the 'antics', but one thing that wasn't
great was that you miss a lot of dialogue in the movie when people
(like me I guess...) do the 'participation' thing...
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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: *GREAT MOVIE ACTORS*
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:52:52 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <20465@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, by margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman):
> I keep seeing this thread for great movie babes.  Well, why not one
> on hunks?  Anyone interested in playing with this?
> 

Well, I'm not sure about hunks ;-{), how about some actors I
like?

> Older
> ****
> 
> Charlton Heston
> Cary Grant
> Marlon Brando
>

John Wayne
Gary Cooper
Jimmy Stewart  
Rhet Butler (the name eludes me right now)
Glen Ford
Henry Fonda
Claude Raines
Humphrey Bogart

A little less old:

Clint Eastwood
Gene Hackman
Morgan Freeman
Richard Harris

;-{)

Sean Connery
Danny Glover

 
> Younger
> ******
> 
> well, know me.... Dolph Lundgren, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Patrick Swayze
> 
> but, seriously
> 
> Harrison Ford
> Sean Connery
> Mel Gibson
>

Pierce Brosnan (whatever happened to him)
Michael J. Fox
The guy who looks like Swayze and I can't remember his name right
now ;-{).
Bruce Willis (kinda ugly though)
The 2 brothers one of whom played Jack Ryan in "Hunt for Red
October" 
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