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From: gmcmanus@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Gary McManus)
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:42:51 GMT
Organization: CIMMS/The University of Oklahoma, Norman

In article <1992Nov18.100147.9087@msc.cornell.edu> maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
>
>I haven't seen the movie yet, but based on the public hype, and on what
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 It's always good to see someone who can form their OWN opinions...try 
 seeing the movie before you give us a review!!!

>I've read in reviews, it seems to me just like _Batman Returns_ all over
>again. Especially the general criticism of people who didn't like it seems
>to be
>that it looks good, but it's a sequence of soundbites. This sort of word of
>mouth killed _Batman Returns_ (deservedly IMHO) and I suspect it will exact
>a heavy toll on Dracula.
>
>Maynard


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From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Favorite Vampire one-liners
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:11:50 GMT

Here are my favorite vampire one-liners from the Vampire movies I have seen:

	Listen to them....children of the night -- Dracula (Lagosi version)

	Children of the night, be still! -- Love at First Bite

	Look Renfield, only in America -- said when Dracual and Renfield raid
	a Red Cross blood storage facility and find a whole cooler chest
	of blood. (Love at First Bite)

	You know too much Von Helsing for one who has lived but one
	lifetime -- Dracula, Prince of Darkness (stage play featuring Jose
	Greco, yes that Jose, Ole)

	I never drink.......wine -- Dracula (Lagosi version)

Please add more if you can think of them.

Bob Kolker
	
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From: pouncy
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (Spoilers)
Reply-To: hpouncy1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:53:16 GMT

In article <10037@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I
Lewison) writes:
>
>Just saw it.  I thought it was pretty good.  Everyone's made some good
>points.

Coupla thoughts after seeing Dracula this weekend:

1.  When I was an undergrad - a long time ago - I had a Russian history
course with Professor Raymond McNally, Boston College.  He later wrote the
revisionist
history of dracula - Vlad the Impaler - with Radu Florescu - also a
professor at Boston College.  I'll never forget the class. He used to
show slides of Russia  with Procul Harum music.  He had this
rich voice as he told us what each slide was about.  He walked around campus
with a dramatic black cape and his wife had one too.  When I saw the
movie, I thought that McNally might be pleased with what had become of his
work.  

2.  I don't know if I saw this on the net before, but when a good friend
of mine told me to see the movie he think of it as grand opera.  Seen
that way, it really works.  Much of the first half is structured around
quartets - Luci in London with a cut to Renfield at the assylum with a cut
to   Dracul at sea with a cut to   
Luci's fiancee in Transylvania - and so forth.  Lovely stuff.


3. In a bow to modern times, Luci finishes off   Dracula herself,
 not Van Helsing.  And, it is not clear that she goes back to her husband.

4. I was really taken with this movie.  I was most amazed when Luci's
fiancee is at Dracul's castle, looks out the window and sees Dracula walking
on all fours to join some wolves in the court yard.  If the scene where Dracula
presents his
concubines with a peasant baby for dinner is true evil.  That scene of him
in the courtyard was true terror for me.  At that moment, Luci's fiance can
not longer deny he is in hell.  I thought this was a masterpiece. 

5.  Now for Malcolm.   
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:57:55 -0500 
From: W Darren Prouty <wp11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Dracula...

He just wants to be loved, is that so wroooonnnnggggg?


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From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Malcolm X
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:36:32 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

This is an extraordinary movie.  A MUST see, for the superb Denzel Washington  
performance, for the adaptation, and for more evidence that Spike Lee is one of  
the premire directors of our generation.

This movie has the sweep and scope of an epic, which is only fair because  
Malcolm X lived an epic life and died a martyr's death.

One reviewer noted that this movie isn't one movie, but is many little movies  
thrown into a big tent.  He's right---it's part dance movie, part Godfather,  
part prison movie and part religious transformation.

The movie is a little loose, and the ending and beginning in particular could  
have been tightened.  But the middle of the movie is extremely solid, so when  
I'm saying it could have been a little shorter, I only mean it could have run  
closer to 3 hours rather than 3 hours, 21 minutes.  

I did not know much about Malcolm X, as he was shot when I was 8.  I can't know  
for sure how much of Spike Lee's movie is the truth and how much is  
revisionism.  However, I do know I want to learn more about Malcolm X, and I'll  
probably look for his autobiography.

A quibble on audience behavior:  The audience was overwhelmingly young, black
and mostly reasonably-behaved.  However, I was really pissed when someone  
decided that smoking a joint was the appropriate accompaniment to seeing this  
movie.  Talk about someone behaving cluelessly!

*  NeXT: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com * GEnie:  Laurie.Mann  *
*Bush, Quayle, Perot---We Said NO! * We Voted for CHANGE in '92!*
***** "Hollywood still doesn't get it." Dan Quayle, 9/21/92 *****
* "No Dan, YOU still don't get it."  American Voters, Fall 1992 *
***********    Gee, do you think he gets it now????   ***********
From: ieng_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (innlingeng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: DRACULA's Dr. Seward(Richard E. Grant)
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:01:21 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Can someone please email me the section of the Actor's List for
Richard E. Grant?  I know I have seen him in L.A. Story, but I
would like to know what other films he has been in, and if anyone
knows of any information on him.  Has anyone caught him in any
TV interviews?  It is a good thing to mix in more British actors in
American films, e.g. Gary Oldman and Anthony Hopkins in Dracula...
and other films that I wont rack my brain to name.

Well, thanks...       

InnLing Eng
ieng_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: MC's Jurassic Park (possible SPOILER)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov19.144528.10415@mtu.edu> ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu  
(KRIS A. JOHNSON) writes:
> ****************SPOILER ALERT!!***************

                                                              
                                                          
                                                     
                                  




> I heard a nasty rumor that Speilberg(sp?) was going to make the  
> velociraptors 20 feet tall.  Can anyone tell me if this is true.   
If it  
> is, I think it is going to take something away from Crichton's  
story.  In  
> the book the velociraptors are only about 6 feet tall and are very  
> intelligent (can open doors, etc.) Making them 20 feet tall is just  
like  
> having a few more T. Rex's around.
> Anybody know anything more on this?
> 

I hope this is NOT the case, since velociraptors were 6 feet tall,
not 20 feet tall.   Crighton did a good job of using real
dinosaurs in the book, and made them behave reasonably most 
of the time (though a tyrannosaur stalking someone for any amount
of time at all is rather unrealistic).




--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: fass@cs.sfu.ca (Dan Fass)
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Summary: Themes in his films
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:42:32 GMT

Greenaway's short films show many of the themes and characters that appear in 
his longer films.  Numbers appear prominently. "The Falls" (1980) and one of 
his shorts, "A Walk Through H" (1978), are both structured around the number 
92.  "The Falls" contains interviews with 92 survivors of an apocalyptic 
disaster; "A Walk Through H" is a trail through 92 maps.

The trail in "A Walk Through H" is taken by the famous ornithologist Tulse 
Luper, who also appears in the short film "Vertical Features Remake" (1978), 
and is mentioned in "The Falls."  Cissie Colpitts, the name of three 
different characters in "Drowning by Numbers" (1988), also appears in 
"Vertical Features Remake," which also features the character Gang Lion, who 
is also mentioned in "The Draughtsman's Contract" (1982).

- Dan Fass
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: TYhe movie or the man? (was: spike lee &  boston celtics)
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:02:56 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:10:02 GMT

zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John H. Zureick) writes:
|>i have never seen any spike lee movies, but i understand he has a
|>problem with larry bird and the celtics. i read a interview where he
|>states he hopes the red sox and the celtics never will another game.
|>does anyone know any more info on this, just what is this guy's problem.

|The guys a big N.Y. Knicks and N.Y. Yankees fan and hates the Celtics
|and Red Sox.  Go figure.  I bet he isn't too fond of the Philadelphia
|76er's either.

And don`t forget, if you're bad... you go to Detroit.

You know, this whole discussion is ironic.  Spike Lee has always
maintained that people can never seem to discuss his movies without
discussing him.

Why is that?

Someone asks about the movie on r.a.m. and the discussion goes into
why he doesn't like the Celtics?  "I`ve never seen any Spike Lee
movie, But I understand he has a problem with Larry Bird and the
Celtics."

What is this?

I'm no Celtics fan either.  I laugh out loud at the New England
Patriots.  Always hated them.  GO Bulls. GO Braves.  So what?

What does this have to do with _Malcolm X_?

I've seen the movie.  It is EXCELLENT!  Oscar quality.  Denzel
Washington is absolutely brilliant.  So's Al Freeman Jr.  The score is
powerful.  It`s an epic film.  Wonderfully directed.  Best so far this
year.  Go see it... then read the book upon which it's based.



--
Peace.
          "Any Black man who's educated and speaks articulately is not 
           considered 'really' Black.  It's the same reason people think 
           you're a dyke."
"People think I'm a dyke?"
          "Take it as a compliment,  I've learned to."
                                    -Kyle Baker, Why I Hate Saturn
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
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From: pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:42:02 GMT

dika@wam.umd.edu (Ting Lin) writes:
[stuff deleted]
> middle IMHO).  I think that the reason that some of my friends didn't like it
> is because they were expecting a real thriller.  With Anthony Hopkins and 
> Martin Scorcese there is got to be excitement galore or at least a good scare
> in this flick.  
[more stuff deleted]

I assume when you talk about Scorcese you are referring to his very
brief cameo. Personally, I found it one of the most shocking scenes 
in the film. Who would have thought he had it in him?

Paul

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Subject: Dracula - you're just jealous!
From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (I'm not really a doctor...)
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:33:02 -0500
Organization: Frog Mt.

 I think all of you ripping on Dracula are T2 fans and are just jealous Dracula
is going to make more moeny :)

Bart
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula - Francis Ford Coppola
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:00:46 EST
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies

In article <1992Nov17.000759.28969@wam.umd.edu>, kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
> 
> In pulp fiction all elements, such as characters and dialogue,
> exist to service the plot.  No room exists for stylistic flourishes,
> and the average pulp reader would find these quite irritating.  Veering
> into the realm of literature, attention, to varying degrees, is paid
> to the telling of the story as well as the story itself.  In some cases,
> the plot is just a convenience, a framework on which to ingenuously
> place artifacts the writer finds interesting.
> 
> 
> yong-mi
> kimy@ringding.cs.umd.edu

Raymond Chandler wrote pulp fiction before he wrote hardbacks.  What 
is literature, anyway?
						-Luke
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:02:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <mwojcik-161192144231@college23.sas.upenn.edu> mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik) writes:

+>Melissa Wiley wrote:
+>> Can anyone give me some info about catwoman's
+>> comic book history?  Thanks!!! ---Melissa Wiley

+>In the comic book series "Batman: Year One", Catwoman was a prostitute. She
+>liked cats and had a regular john who liked her to dress up in a kinky cat
+>outfit. She got into "cat-burglarly" semi-Robin Hood style, and was angered
+>by the Press attributing her capers to the batman. She therefore began to
+>attack the batman in revenge.

	It should be pointed out that this is the "reworked" Frank Miller
version of Catwoman.  The character has had serveral different histories 
going all the way back to stories in the 1940's. 

	I'm cross-posting this to rec.arts.comics.misc in the hopes that
someone there can fill in the various details/history.



+>Catwoman is not a feminist. The character is fascinating until you see the
+>movie or the old TV series (although I had a crush on Ertha Kitt's
+>portrayal as a kid). If you can, read Batman: Year One. 

	Your not talking about the "character", your talking about Frank
Millers "version" of the character and those who have latched on to
it as official.



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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Re: The Clubfoot Orchestra - Dr. Caligari/Nosferatu
Keywords: silent films
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:21:08 GMT

I'm sorry, I missed the beginning of this thread. The Bill Nelson music for Dr.
Caligari was for a stage production, not for another soundtrack to the silent 
film. It is available on Cd and tape.

There was an excellent soundtrack to the Klaus Kinski version of Nosferatu, but
it is out of print. You might find it in a used record store. I found a copy in
NYC years ago.
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From: mueller@iwf.mabp.ethz.ch (Mueller Beat)
Subject: movie goofs list
Keywords: goof, list
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:47:59 GMT

what happened to the movie goofs list? i have not noticed any update
since a long period. does anyone know better?

any hints are appreciated.

zosh
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Gary Sinise
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:05:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxtM9y.C34
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Nov15.192920.17019@cbnews.cb.att.com> trb@cbnews.cb.att.com (tom.balent) writes:

>In article <1689E8159.M22110@mwvm.mitre.org> M22110@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>>I was very impressed with Gary Sinise in OF MICE AND MEN.
>>Does anyone know what other movies he has been in?
 
>Last spring's A Midnight Clear. 

Correct.  Also he DIRECTED (but didn't appear in) the movie Miles from
Home, which starred Richard Gere and Kevin Anderson, and contained
performances by other fellow Steppenwolf Theatre denizens like Terry
Kinney, John Malkovich, and Laurie Metcalf.

Sinise has also appeared in 2 video presentations that aren't too hard
to find.  Sam Shepard's True West, shown on PBS (and I've seen it in
video stores), a studio taping of the off-Broadway production starring
Sinise and Malkovich.  And the stage adaptation of Grapes of Wrath, in
which Sinise played the central role of Tom Joad, which was also taped
for Great Performances.

Jon Alan Conrad
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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS movies?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Nov4.220638.26276@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1689B81C1.PETERC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
	<1992Nov13.205415.9131@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <bbrett.721696252@morgan>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:34:39 GMT

In article <bbrett.721696252@morgan> bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Betsy Brett) writes:

   I definitely think IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is the best one.  The black and
   white one of course... SCROOGED is also good - you get to laugh more
   than cry...  It isn't really a movie, but MR KRUEGER'S CHRISTMAS with
   James Stewart is a little show the Mormons put together and it is a very
   nice story.  I also like MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET and THE BISHOP'S WIFE
   with Cary Grant.  I'm a sucker for tear-jerkers and Christmas has a long
   list of films for just that purpose.

Mr. Fred Krueger, per chance?  With Jimmy Stewart?  Oh, the possibilities...

-Joe.
From: pinyan@bonnie.Corp.Sun.COM (Ann Pinyan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Dracula - the "uneducated" view
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:49:31 GMT
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I say uneducated because I am unfamiliar with the book, but I will
assume here that a lot of people will see this that haven't read the
book.  I was truly disappointed with this movie - I agree it had some
nice special effects, but I was expecting something totally different.
My perception of vampires is based more on the Anne Rice novels and I
suppose I was looking for more of an underworld
romantic/erotic/suspense movie.  Instead, I got blood/guts/exorcist
type movie.

Aside from that, I just thought it was poorly cast or poorly acted... I
found that Keanu Reeves was nice to look at (as usual), but failed
miserably in the part.  I was totally unimpressed with the supporting
men (Lucy's suitors).  But most importantly, I didn't see why anyone in
their right mind would be attracted to Oldman's character - blech!!
AND, absolutely NO chemistry with Mina.  I just didn't buy it at all.

I'm sure I missed a lot of lines because either the effects were
overwhelming or because of the accents, so I might rent it when it
comes out on video, but I regret spending $7 to see it.

Just my $.02 worth...


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From: CT64@music.mus.polymtl.ca (Nicolas Gauvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: the big blue
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:58:19 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

>>sea.) Its night. Jacques is going to leave the girl and dive into the sea.
>>He doesn't know that she's waiting baby for him and the girl doesn't say it (if
>>I remember this correctly.) He dives and leaves the crying girl on the
>>platform. He dives deeper and deeper and finally reaches the final point
>>of the pole/rope or whatever they used for their diving competition.
>>A lonely dolphin comes from the dark and swims to Jacques and together they
>>swim away. Fade to black. THE END. <snif> (....beautiful, if I may say)
>
>Preciscely what I saw in the US version.

In the French version we see Jacques swimming away with the dolphin
but we never know if he actually gets back to the surface like it is
shown in the the US version.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: why the hang-up on NC17?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:56:10 GMT

In article <22900@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>Keep in mind also that the MPAA cannot trademark the "X" rating, but
>that can (and have) trademarked the NC-17.  Now all ratings are
>trademarked, and cannot be used without their permission (which was
>not true of the "X" rating -- hence XX XXX, etc.)
>
>There was a *strong* element of commerce in this redesignation.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.  The X rating was purposefully
left uncopyrighted, on the theory that, since anyone could slap an X
rating on their film, the remaining ratings looked less like censorship.
The popularization of explicit sex films resulted in lots of them putting
their own X (or XXX) rating on their films.  Thus, there was no ratings
distinction between films made solely to show explicit sex and other
films that were suitable only for adults.  This lead to the latter being
splashed with tar meant for the former, in the form of limited numbers of
theaters that would show them, few newspapers that would advertise them,
etc.

The only substantial difference between the NC-17 rating and the X rating
is the copyright status.  Anyone willing to pay the MPAA the fee and provide
them with a print can still get their film rated, and will get a G, PG,
PG-13, R, or NC-17.  So the makers of "Debbie Does Dallas" could easily
get this X movie rerated NC-17, if they wanted to pay the bucks.  They
don't want to pay (especially since the NC-17 rating has no commercial 
benefit to them), so they don't get their NC-17.  

In practice, the NC-17 rating is still viewed as box office poison, so
films are still being edited down to get R ratings.

If by "strong element of commerce" means that the MPAA was trying to
use market forces (the fee for ratings) to separate the sheeps from
the goats, that's certainly true.  If you mean that it was done to help
the studios make more money, that's not so clear.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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