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From: @ee.surrey.ac.uk (null)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: PNP vs NPN Output Stages
Keywords: Lock
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:08:52 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, UK. GU2 5XH

In article <471@bit.UUCP>, grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:
|> In article <BxGEJK.2FL@world.std.com> DPierce@world.std.com (Richard d Pierce) writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov9.113458.16272@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> R.Bish@EA.surrey.co.uk (Rob Bish) writes:
|> >
|> >> <hardly believable stuff about using NPN v.s. PNP transistors to reproduce
|> >>  different idioms of music...delightfully deleted>
|> >PLEASE, GOD, LET THERE BE A SMILEY FACE SOMEWHERE IN THIS POSTING!
|> 
|> Yeah, I looked Dick. I read it twice just to make certain I wasn't
|> missing something! Now let me get this straight,
|> 

Now come on, look at the name, Rob Bish! Say it quickly. 

Counterpoint? Quintessentially? etc etc. I was hoping that somone
might have taken it seriously, but all are too smart. Not surprising on this
network. Now if you read some of the more esoteric audio mags there are people that
tout gold plated mains plugs, as if there was no grid feeding the socket in the
first place, Green pens for CD, and the merits of Brass polish vs Alcohol for
cleaning valve amplifier cases. There are quite serious pseudo scientific articles
on these subjects.

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mjscott@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Mike J. Scott)
Subject: Re: Are Record Club CD's The Same Quality?
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:16:23 GMT
Keywords: Record Clubs, CD

In article <Nov.16.16.02.10.1992.28218@gandalf.rutgers.edu> rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) writes:
>Admittedly, I know very little about the business of setting up
>a CD plant, but it seems you can cut costs... this may entail
>not meeting the standards for CD manufacture, though. For example,
>a "sort of clean" clean room is probably cheaper than a "really
>clean" one. Then there's the quality of the materials used for
>the substrate, plastic, and inks. Surely there are different levels
>of CD quality -- I can't believe that all the CDs which come out
>of the plant are good. A certain percentage must be below spec.
>You can save money by not worrying about quality control...

A couple of points,

First, CD's are cheap to produce, I believe in runs of only a couple 
thousand, pressing & printing costs are $1.50 - $2.00 per (CD, case &
insert).  For runs of 1000's, they would be even cheaper.  This gives
some indication of the markup on discs, and why clubs can sell them
so cheaply.

Second, clubs make deals with record companies so that they pay lower
royalties per disc because of their immense volumes.

Third, (ok, I lied about only a couple points) I've been told that some
companies (Sony specifically) will not accept 'defective' disks back
from retailers because their defect rates are so low.  They say that
usually, discs are returned because of damage which has occurred in
transit or due to mishandling.  I know that some of the early discs
did have problems, but for the most part, quality of recent pressings
has been much better.  This does seem believable since CD's are used
as digital storage media (i.e. CDROM's, albeit with redundancy due to
error correction).

If anybody has better (read: correct) information, please follow-up.

Btw, I've got quite a few club discs and never noticed any problem 
(though my speakers got completely bashed by somebody on this group
a while ago, so maybe I just can't hear the difference! ;-) ).

Michael J. Scott                       R.R.I.,  U of Western Ontario 
mjscott@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca         'Need a good valve job?' 

###############  Illegitimus non tatum carborundum.   ##############
From: jarnold@spot.wrc.xerox.com (jeff arnold esc1-318)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Problems with my system ...
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:25:18 GMT
Organization: Xerox


Hi guys,
	I'd like to get some help from you folks out there.
First of all, let me describe to you what equipment I've got ...	

	- Carver pre-amp with dolby pro-logic
	- Carver 100W power amp
	- Carver CD changer.
	- A pair of Acoustic Research M5 (not M.5) tower speakers.

	The above setup sounds quite diasppointing (Please don't flame
Carver, AR, or my ability to choose components).  All I hear is BASS!!
The high and mid-range are basically not present (slight exaggeration
here).  Can you guys think of anything that I'm doing wrong? Have I
just basically chosen a load of crappy equipments? I liked the Carvers
and the AR speakers sounded pretty good in the HIFI shop. 
	Now I wanna get three more speakers to enable surround sound. 
Should I get more ARs (I was told that it's better to have the same
surround speakers as the main ones)? I really want to have surround
sound but I can't justify spending more money on a system that I am
not satisfied with :(.  What can I do to remedy this situation (other
than throwing away my existing system)? Any comments will be appreciated!! 

Thanks,

Henry.
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:46:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b64746.student.cwru.edu

In article <184332@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   MOST home cassette decks could be play-only and not affect the
>   market a bit.   Ditto for VCR's.  Strange that the buying public
>   doesn't buy play-only models, as that is how most are operated.
>   [although more VCR's are used to record than cassettes...still
>   the MAJOR useage for both is playback of pre-recorded material..]
>
>   It is really only the "lunatic" or enthusiast fringe of audio
>   that does any appreciable home audio taping--self serving
>   statements from the record companies to the contrary.

	I must be a "lunatic" then. Since our family first had a CD player, 
I have found that home recorded tapes are invariable always better than the 
prerecorded tapes. I probably havn't bought a pre-recorded tape in over 5 
years. They last longer, and sound better. Price comparisons? I buy most of 
my CD's used from various used stores. I would venture a guess that my 
average cost per CD is ~$7. Since we buy TDK SA-X 90's in bulks of 100, they 
are fairly cheap. AND, if anything ever happens to the tape, I still have 
the CD to remaster from. 


>
>>Well, I've seen several DCC commercials in the last few days, so
>>I guess it is making its debut now.
>
>   They've got them in the stores here already.
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Defeating SCMS
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:17:49 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <1eej0gINN1i4@hpscdf.scd.hp.com> rkarlqu@scd.hp.com (Richard Karlquist) writes:
>I think I'll go buy some Sony stock and send a thank you letter to
>my Congressman for voting for this bill :-(.

Why not buy a congressman and send Sony a letter thanking them
for making digital sound possible while you still liked bass?

If the cable-descrambling-chip black market is any indication,
within four years you will be able to get a contraband SCMS
defeater for about $100 and the mob will get all the profits.

Even some of the dumbest people I know have been able to
watch HBO for free since 1988 because of this sort of thing.

				--Blair
				  "The Godfather IV:
				   The VHDL Years..."
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
From: jeanmarc@pcserver.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jean-Marc Matteini)
Subject: Fosgate Surround Processor for sale 
Reply-To: user@machine.domain
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:32:39 GMT

FOSGATE DSL ONE Surround Processor for sale : $350

OUTPUT CHANNELS:	Five plus subwoofer; left front, right front, center
			front, left back, right back.

FREQUENCY RESPONSE:	10Hz-100kHz +.5/-3dB main channels.
			10Hz-25kHz, 10Hz-7kHz, 10Hz-3kHz +.5/-3dB surround
			channels (actual response dependent on surround mode
			selected).

THD/IMD:		Less than 0.05% at -6dB below maximum output.

MAXIMUM OUTPUT:		8 volts RMS front channels; 3 volts rms surround channels
			with level control full clockwise setting.

DYNAMIC SEPARATION:	Sufficient for instantaneous locolization in all
			directions simultaneously.

STATIC SEPARATION:	Center to surround, surround to front - better than 40dB.
			Front, side to side, 16dB including special crossblend
			phase circuit. Back, side to side, 8dB including special
			crossblend phase circuit.

LOGIC STEERING RESPONSE TIME:	8ms maximum

POWER AMPLIFIER:	Discrete complementary output stage with moderate negative
			feedback. Low TIM design. Total output power (total both
			channels driven) 40 watts @4 ohms; 30 watts @8 ohms
			average continuous power @ 1kHz @0.05THD.

BASS EQ:		0dB to +18dB boost @ 40Hz. Bypassed in full counter-
			clockwise setting.

SUBWOOFER RESPONSE:	5Hz-80Hz; 12dB/octave rolloff above 80Hz.

INPUT LEVEL/IMPEDANCE:	100mV to 2.1V rms @ 15,000ohms.

OUTPUT IMPEDANCE:	750 ohms front channels; 390 ohms surround channels.

SIGNAL TO NOISE:	All outputs, better than -90dB "A" weighted (referred to
			full output).

POWER SUPPLIES:		Two separate regular bi-polar supplies for digital and
			analogue circuitry.

DIMENSIONS/WEIGHT:	17.1" wide x 14.25" deep X 3.8" high (3.5" high with
			support feet removed). 10 pounds net; 4.6 kilos.

If interested, please email to jeanmarc@pictel.com. Or call (508) 977-8261 (B),
(508) 470-0963 (H).
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Defeating SCMS
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:55:13 PST
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Nov13.185500.20300@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
 winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
> [...] The 11 code for analog
> input is there because the recording industry insisted on it.

One really has to wonder why they inisted on it.  

The "home tapers" that they keep claiming are hurting their revenues were not
going to switch to DAT when analog cassette is good enough for their needs and
DAT equipment is so much more expensive.  

The actual bootleggers -- those that make and sell large quantities of tapes --
don't need DAT either because, again, their chief market is those same folks
with the analog cassette boom-boxes.  And even if they were copying onto DAT,
they'd be able to afford professional DAT decks. 

Several writers have theorized that the record companies wanted to make
consumer-level DAT decks unsuitable for studio work, so they can continue to
control the industry.  But this doesn't make sense either.  For one thing, the
price difference between consumer and pro DAT decks just isn't that steep.  For
another, even if one did use a consumer DAT deck to make a master for a CD, the
pressing plant you hand it to could use an SCMS stripper.  (They'd have to
resample your master anyway to go from 48 to 44.1 kHz.) 

The only idea that makes sense is that the recording industry simply wanted a
foot in the door for future legislation to control home recording equipment. 
Well, they have their foot in the door.  I'd like to know what laws they're 
planning to push next.  

(Did you know that when reel-to-reel tape decks were introduced shortly after
WW II, the record industry proposed a law that would require you to have a
license to own one??)

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Janne.Anttila@lut.fi (Janne Anttila)
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:01:04 GMT
Disclaimer: Graecum est, non legitur.
	<TONYB.92Nov16135326@oberon.juliet.ll.mit.edu>
	<1992Nov17.020210.879@cmkrnl.com>
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Nov17.020210.879@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:

  I dunno.  I can't see a DAT deck in, for instance, the dirty environment of a
  typical car.  

Well, I've seen some designed for car use 8-). Anyway, I don't like 
the idea of having ANY valuable tapes in car, CC, DAT or DCC. DCC
itself may be well protected, but the player will certainly get dirty.
You just can't avoid drop-outs.

What I really would like to see in my next car is a small MD changer.


--
	Spirits make me move in mysterious ways...
						   Janne Anttila
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Recommendations needed for $500 CD player
Keywords: cd player
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.231429.6873@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, chiu@gpb-mac. (Norman Chiu) writes:
|>     I want to upgrade my CD player, (after all, it is almost Christmas!!)
|> and I want all the opinions please.
|>
 
  Please post a summary of your responses.  I was about to ask the
very same question but you beat me to it...

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   __ ___  
  /\ \ \ \  Anshu Prasad                        stud1b53@bnr.ca
 /--\ \/_/  Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
/_/  \_\    All opinions are my own, not my employer's, BNR Ltd

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Defeating SCMS
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.182505.27885@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:

>Sony is the only DAT manufacturer that I know of that owns a record company.

Hm.  Whatever happened to Dennon.  They make DAT's.  They have their
own line of CD's.  And they were the FIRST company to record digitally
for commercial release.  Their first digital recorder was a 4-track
recorded basic on a 2" quad video tape recorder.

>The main reason why they bought Columbia Records was to stop Columbia from
>getting in the way of selling and marketing DAT in the US.  Columbia was in the
>forefront of the notch filter and the blockade of DAT technology.

I think you need to research that a bit more.   The deal was in the
works a long time before that, and Sony got screwed in that deal.  For
more on this see "Hit Men".


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: Power@cup.portal.com (Ron A Uitz)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: JVC RX707 vs NAD
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 19:01:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I bought a JVC 1010 two years ago.  It's great.
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:02:10 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I wrote:
>>A one paragraph note in last month's Mix implyed that the release of MD
>>might beat the release of DCC in the US because the record companies
>>would not start selling DCC until this law was passed - and it looked
>>like the law wasn't going to be passed as soon as had previously been
>>expected.  I'm not familiar with this law.  Does anyone know what's
>>being done?

In rec.audio, whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) writes:
>Well, I've seen several DCC commercials in the last few days, so
>I guess it is making its debut now.
>ALSO...
>See my earlier reference above to the already existing HRRA which
>introduced the royalty tax on ALL digital audio mediums.

And tonight, on page 4 of the latest Stereo Review, I find, "Sony's U.S.
plans are contingent on the passage of the Audio Home Recording Act
by Congress and may be revised if the bill is not enacted by December."

So I guess both MD and DCC is contingent on this bill.  Is the Audio Home
Recording Act and the Home Recording Rights Act that you talk about
the same?  It sounds like something new.

Curt
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:54:15 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Nov18.003930.519@metrosoft.com>,
 gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> [...] The other big advantage to either DCC or MD in the car (and I'm toying  
> with DAT since we have an SV-3700) is that you can compile your own tapes.  
> I'm very picky about what I like to hear in the car, and I prefer to make  
> compilations (either by artist or by genre). I don't recall who, but some  
> musician made a quote along the lines of "...but in your car it has to  
> *rock*". I tend to agree with that. 

Off the topic for this thread, but:  I don't think this is always true!  Some
of the best "driving music" isn't rock by any stretch of the imagination.  
Consider, for instance, the _Back to the Future_ theme by Alan Silvestri, 
or any of several pieces from _Star Wars_, such as the T.I.E. Fighter 
dogfight from the first film's ("Episode IV") soundtrack, or "The Asteroid
Field" from TESB... I wonder how many speeding tickets each has contributed to?

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:14:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.231246.137@nas.nasa.gov> fineberg@nas.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <27617@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
>|> In rec.audio, jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
>|> 
>|> Yes you must.  But you don't explaing why you think this.  I don't expect
>|> multiple generation (analog or digital) copies on DCC or MD to be bad.  Why
>|> do you?
>|> 
>|> Are you thinking that the first generation will compress the data by
>|> throwing away 80%, so therefore the second generation must throw away
>|> another 80% of the 20% left, leaving only 4% of the original music?
>|> 
>|> If this is your thinking, then here's mine.  The first compression
>|> will remove 80% of the information, but the second time through the
>|> system, almost nothing will be removed, because it was all removed
>|> in the first pass.
>|> 

Sorry to disillusion you.  Each pass will further degrade the signal.
Sufficient multiple passes and even a tin-ear can hear the now-huge
differences from the original.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mvart@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.r.teoli)
Subject: Re: Latest issue of TAS?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:53:28 GMT

I just got mine last night via snail mail, the October issue no doubt.

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu (James J. Szinger)
Subject: Re: ELITIST SNOBS
Organization: Yale University, Intelligent Sensors Lab, Elect. Eng.
	<1992Nov16.224226.118@viewlogic.com>
	<1992Nov17.002041.10751@nas.nasa.gov>
	<1992Nov17.041802.29436@dgbt.doc.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.041802.29436@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca
(Ted Grusec) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.002041.10751@nas.nasa.gov>
>fineberg@nas.nasa.gov writes:
>>|> |> |> >TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MY $200 SOUNDESIGN SYSTEM SOUNDS
>>|> |> |> >JUST AS GOOD.  THE BASS SOUNDS JUST AS BIG!  THE SECRET
>>|> |> |> >IS TO ADJUST THE BASS CONTROL TO MAX.  TRY IT ON SOME
>>|> |> |> >OF THESE CHEAPER SYSTEMS.  IT REALLY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!
>>|> |> |> >ADJUST THE SYSTEM BEFORE YOU JUDGE!  GEEESH HOW HARD
>>|> |> |> >CAN IT BE???

>You were robbed.  I can put together a system to your specs for
>$19.25.

WHEN I HAVE THE URGE FOR GUT WRENCHING BASS, I JUST STAND NEXT TO
THE LARGE BASS DRUM IN MARCHING BAND.  THE DRUMMER HITS IT PRETTY
HARD AND I CAN FEEL MY SPLEEN BEING SHOVED AROUND.  BEST OF ALL
IT'S FREE!!!  IF YOU WANT BETTER THAN THAT, JUST ELIMINATE THE
DRUM AND HAVE SOMEONE HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH A LARGE
DRUMSTICK.  BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR YELLING; I'M A LITTLE HARD OF
HEARING.

JIM

P.S. :-)
--
James Szinger                        jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu

"He was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad."
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: hsu@acuson.com (William Hsu)
Subject: center channel speaker recommendations
Keywords: surround center speaker
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:47:43 GMT

I like any recommendations on chosing center channel speakers.  I have a 
pair of Infinity RS4001 as my main L+R speakers, and I am thinking of
driving the surround and center speakers with the Yamaha DSP-E1000 effects
amplifier.

I did check out the Infinity Videocenter One center channel speaker
(thinking that same brand speakers would be my best bet for tonal matching
with my present ones) but I found that they sounded very different from the
RS4001s.

I also like to hear from any of you that has experiece setting up surround
sound using Infinity speakers.

Thanks in advance

William Hsu
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From: pvh@apple.com (Pete Helme)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC/MD Ads (was DCC in Radio Shack Flyer!)
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:07:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov19.171947.3631@metrosoft.com>, gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon
Van Huizen) wrote:
> 
> "...indistinguishable from originals..."
>
> The only person I've seen claim this is Ken Pohlmann in Stereo Review. Every  
> other report I've read claims otherwise.
> 

Would you expect anything less from Stereo Review?  ;)

name: Pete Helme
mail: pvh@apple.com
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Help!
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:21:15 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

Didn't the 8-track evolve from the broadcast audio cart?
I thought a guy named Muntz (who was perhaps the first
audio/video guy to proclaim himself insane during his
commercials) adapted the broadcast audio cart to 
four-track car stereo (two stereo programs).  Then a guy
named Bill Lear (of Lear Jet fame) came up with the eight-track.

Tom Matthews
From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Need receiver and CD changer recomendations
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:04:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi,

I am planning to buy a receiver and CD changer.Can somebody make comments on
the receivers and CD changers listed below?

     Receivers

     Pioneer : VSX-D701S , VSX-D601, VSX-501
     Sony    : STR-D1090, STR-D990, STR-D790

     CD changers

     Pioneer : PD-M701, PD-M601, PD-M501
     Sony    : CDP-C725, CDP-C625, CDP-C525


I am planning to buy them through mail order companies. Which mail order
companies have the best prices? Any recommendations will be greatly
appreciated.


     
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