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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:43:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.083430.15210@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>
>(Incidentally, I think the "first anything" rule is the primary cause of
>people not buying for the really significant occasions.  We get so
>inured to shouts of "case of beer" that our beer buying reflexes get
>dulled in those cases where it's truly appropriate.  But that's a musing
>for another posting.)

I fully agree. Notice how some people never ever buy beer at all?

>Namely, I mean reserve rides.  It seems that people still do respect this
>one.  If the rigger saves your life, you buy him booze.  Usually whiskey,

Now what would be appropriate for a rigger that packs his/her own function
_and_ reserve? Happened Sunday.

>that there are occasions when this is blatantly unfair.  If my reserve
>closing loop breaks while I'm front floating, I do *not* owe that rigger
>booze a) because it was his fault for not catching a worn loop during the
>inspection b) riggers could start deliberately introducing reserve
>malfunctions to get free booze and c) I don't care what that rigger thinks
>because I'm not likely to frequent him in the future.  OK, so there is clearly
>a case where one can land under a reserve and not owe anything.  But where
>is the dividing line?  

If my reserve deploys inadvertently, the rigger had better buy ME some whisky.
If I live. (are you a wee bit paranoid about riggers? twice so far i thought
a smiley to be appropriate)

BTW, some riggers will accept booze as payment for a repack. 
>The subject came up because one of our number did in fact have
>a reserve deployment from the step a few weeks ago.  It's not clear, but
[oops] >seemed to have snagged a handle. Does he owe booze?
>As he put it, "my life wasn't in danger -- I had a perfectly good main
>in my backpack."  On the other hand, he landed his reserve, and it probably
>wasn't the rigger's fault.  Opinions?

If it was the jumpers fault, case of beer. Community beer, not rigger beer.
MO

>Here's a extra credit question:  What's the oddest circumstance in which
>you actually bought beer?

Hmm, oddest circumstance.. Just Because. Go figure ;-)

>| Daniel Briggs  (dbriggs@nrao.edu)                      |        USPA B-14993


On the bar thread: At Lost Prairie, you can Ring The Bell. $25 is absurd
for a case of canned American peepee, but then $1 a beer in a bar ain't so
bad. When the bartender, er person behind the bar, rings the bell, the crowd
goes crazy trying to get one  of the beers being thrown into the crowd. I 
did it twice just because it was so funny. Also because 1: Lost Prairie
2: Twin Otter 3: DC3 4: Formation load. The first time the bell rang, I didn't
know what the hell was going on, but I got a beer! What a kick ass DZ. 
Where's that stinkin video?!

Tim
Edging up to 200 jumps. Think I'll buy a case? Yep. And keep it in my cooler
in my car. Case of Molson, even. If you're reading this and you're there,
you'll get one. Or two. :-)


Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Malfunctions.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:47:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.132838.23659@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.190005.6962@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>I would collect a short description (
>>(don'tcha hate essay questions!!) of everyones mal's
>>and paul can collect the pure stats. 
>
>Well if you want to, fine.  But never underestimate the volumes of BS that you
>might get if you ask a skydiver to start telling "There I was, thought I was
>gonna die..." stories.
>
>>Stats are good to know, and I think we could learn so
>>much from the experience of others.
>
>Exactly.  That's the whole purpose of this newsgroup and I support you doing
>this, whole heartedly.  However, please don't fill up my spool directory with
>the amount of info that you're going to get back.  Not that I'm saying skydivers

Well, I'll diseminate what I get into breif catagories, only allowing text where
it warants it.

Actually, the ones I've gotten have been one sentence / mal. 


Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Help, where to buy gear?
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:08:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.084306.28458@isy.liu.se> you write:
: I'm interested in buying various gear such as altimeters,
: frap hat, etc, but living over in Sweden doesn't exactly give
: you access to US market.
: Could someone be kind enough to e-mail me the FAX and/or 
: phone numbers to some well known places selling skydiving
: equipment. That way I could get in contact with them and
: at least see what the prices are  -  I know it's considerably
: cheaper :-) 
: Then it's just a matter of being patient enough and not buy
: anything until I get over there the next time.

Hiya Hokie... invest in "The Parachuting Pages."  They have
everything (including world-wide entries from dz's, to specific
products, to corporate listings), so I'll list them first:
voice=904-736-9779, and FAX=904-736-9786.  In the meanwhile,
get a catalogue from ParaGear: 708-679-5905.  [all US numbers].

Good luck.
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: CYPRES altitude readings
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:25:07 GMT

Reply-to: Ted.Harrison@p0.f623.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Ted Harrison)
Fido-To: romulus!lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com!

Regarding romulus!lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com!'s message to Skydive on Sep 25:


 r> Does someone know what speed is the transitional speed (in 
 r> average for a skydiver) from laminar flow to turbulence??
 r> Do we even pass it?

 In view of the fact that a jumper's body isn't streamlined,
 I'd say there is never laminar flow.

 There would be lower pressure on the "lee" side at all speeds up
 to terminal velocity.


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From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: High altitude bungee jump
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:12:03 GMT

With all this talk about skydiving and bungee jumping I started thinking...
has anyone ever exited an airplane like a Casa or Caribou connected to the
plane with a long rope/bungee and been towed behind the airplane then cut
away from the cord to freefall?? It sounds like it could be fun if done
right.
				Brandon
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:13:23 GMT

>The subject came up because one of our number did in fact have
>a reserve deployment from the step a few weeks ago. 

Hee hee. The net often imitates life. Just this weekend I cheerfully
accepted a bottle from an AFF student who had his Sentinal fire on him 
high last weekend. JM swears he calibrated the thing correctly. Poor guy was
having a good ole level 4 and poof hes under a 26' phantom at 6 grandish...

Didn't seem to matter to the student, who was adamant on paying his dues. 
I didn't even mention it to him, someone else must have told him about the
tradition. I took it in the spirt it was offered.


On a couple of rides students have not bought the provebial bottle. Doesn't
really bother me much. May sound corny, but watching them walk away safe
is worth all the bottles in the world to me. 

Ej

P.S.

Experienced jumpers know the score and always buy the bottle. Of course I 
don't know of any incidents where they were under a reserve and they didn't
REALY want to be... Your worn closing loop scenario would be a one case
where I would hope the rigger would be too ashamed to even ask.
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Double Horny Gorilla
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:11:28 GMT

The tape is called Skydive USA, I think.
That looks really fun; Jan called it the
sphincter dive.

Tim
From: corrick@apple.com (George Corrick)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Keyna Safari Info Wanted
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:10:47 GMT
Organization: apple computer, inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

I'm looking for information on wildlife safaris to Kenya.  I'm planning
to go next summer, and want to know if anyone has had experience, either
good or bad, with any of the safari tour groups.  I'm especially
interested in anyone's experience with: SAFARIWORLD, BIG5, WILDLIFE
SAFARI, or PARK EAST TOURS.

Thanks in advance,
George Corrick
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: 01 Oct 92 13:40 PDT
Subject: Cheap Lodgings in Geneva, Swtz.
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1460300121:000:91
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Oct  1 13:40:00 1992


Am looking for cheap lodgings in Geneva in November....hostel/pension/
etc.

Thanks,
Debra

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: obrienj@cc.gatech.edu (James)
Subject: Travel Advice
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Tech
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:46:06 GMT


I don't travel very often, so I don't know any of the neat tricks one might learn
from experiance.  I am hopping that someone here may know something that I don't,
and be willing to share the information.

Next month I need to fly from Atlanta, GA to Billings Montana, the travel agency
I called told me the price would be $400.  Does anyone know of a cheeper way to
get the tickets?  

For any advice, thank you.
From: Aaron.Roydhouse@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Aaron Roydhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Time to allow for Freiburg --> Frankfurt?
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:27:34 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.0


If I was standing in Freiburg on the morning of Sunday February 28
(1993) with my baggage on my back and my Eurail pass in my hand, then
how much time (to be safe) should I allow to get by train (pre-booked)
to Frankfurt to catch an international flight?

Essentially I need to know long the train journey takes, and how often
the trains run, plus time to get to the airport.  I don't want to
allow any longer than necessary, but then, neither do I want to allow
less time than prudent!

Note that February 28 is a Sunday - how would this affect transport
frequency?

Any related information would be great.

Thanks,
Aaron.
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From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Information about Hawaii
Summary: Request for more info
Keywords: Hawaii, Maui
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:08:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.215115.6075@cs.wayne.edu> faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
>I have wanted to visit the island of Hawaii for quite a while, and I was
>just wondering what the highlights of the island are. Which parts are
>more exciting to visit i.e. where do all the tourists not go.
>
>E-mail would be preferable.

Well, if anybody would like to post the information too, I'm all ears.  :-)

Also, I would like to know some places to stay in either the big island or
Maui that are nice but (hopefully) not too expensive.  Also, what are the
airlines that fly from Honolulu to either the big island or Maui?

If you wish to e-mail me instead, please send it to the address on the
Reply-To line above.

Thanks!

Jim
From: dmilikow@csa.bu.edu (david milikow)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Ticket to SF
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:49:15 GMT
Distribution: rec.travel
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department

Ticket to the foggy paradise.  One way for a female only.  Leaves December
17th, but can be changed without charge thru May 1993.  $150/BO.
From: angel@BRL.MIL (Rick Angelini (ACIS/HPC) <angel>)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Bahamas?
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:02:22 GMT
Organization: "USArmy Research Lab, Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD"

In article <1992Sep30.203416.27124@news.acns.nwu.edu>, staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
|> In article <92274.145723SXB134@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXB134@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> >Does anyone out there know if travel to the Bahamas requires a
|> >passport?  I may have a chance to go there in about two weeks,
|> >and I don't think I can get a passport in that time.  Please
|> >e-mail reply.   Thanks.
|> 
|> No..just a picture id of some kind like a driver's license.  My dad went
|> there in 1990, and due to reasons beyond our control, he could not

This may have been true a few years ago (although I thought it was a
picture ID and a Voter Registration Card).    But, I went to Nassau in
May, and they required a validated birth certificate and picture ID.
(I had a passport and didn't need to challenge them on this).     

You should be able to ask your travel agent or air carrier regarding 
which documents you'll need.

-- 
Rick Angelini - U.S. Army Research Laboratory
Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD   21005

"Golf is a good walk spoiled"  -Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: SUMMARY: Time to allow for Freiburg --> Frankfurt?
From: Aaron.Roydhouse@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Aaron Roydhouse)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:36:46 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.0



Recently I asked:
|> If I was standing in Freiburg on the morning of Sunday February 28
|> (1993) with my baggage on my back and my Eurail pass in my hand, then
|> how much time (to be safe) should I allow to get by train (pre-booked)
|> to Frankfurt to catch an international flight?

The composite summary of the responses was:

 - The travelling takes 3 hours so allow 5 for safety.

 - The connection train in Mannheim leaves from the same platform,
   opposite track.

 - There are trains every hour, the so called IC (InterCity) or ICE
   (InterCity Express). The journey takes 2h59, from Freiburg to
   Frankfurt Flughafen (airport). The train stops directly under the
   airport. 

 - If you get off the train at Flughafen, you're at the airline
   check-in counter within ten minutes. 

 - Example schedule: 

     8.56 leaving Freiburg
    12.16 arrival in Mainz (there you have to take another train)
    12.38 leaving Mainz
    12.55 arrival in Frankfurt Flughafen.

 - The train runs every hour (8.56, 9.56, 10.56, ...), even on Sundays.

Freiburg   dep  6.52   7.56   9.32   9.56  10.56  11.32  11.56         18.56
                                                                 ...
Mannheim   arr  8.26   9.26    no   11.26  12.26    no   13.26  every  20.26
(change)   dep  8.34   9.34  change 11.34  12.34  change 13.34  hour   20.34
                                                                until
Frankfurt  arr  9.13  10.13  11.47  12.13  13.13  13.47  14.13         21.13
(central station)

 - The train (S-Bahn) from Frankfurt central station to the airport takes
   less than 15 minutes and runs 4 or 5 times an hour.

 - There is a surcharge for using an InterCity which is 6 DM.

 - You probably only have to pay the surcharge once, even though you
   change trains, "but maybe they'll change that to support german unity..."

 - There is a dial-up videotext service or Bildschirmtext (Btx) which
   offers a timetable system for the German railways.

Many thanks to all who sent me information.

Aaron.
From: pete@carrera.wvus.org (Pete Gregory)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Rosarito Beach - bargain?
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 09:19:55 PDT
Organization: Private System

Hi - having just read an article in the L.A. Times travel section on
Rosarito Beach, I'm wondering if it's the bargain that it's purported
to be.  Anecdotes, do's/dont's appreciated...


Pete Gregory, at home

pete@carrera.wvus.org
ames!elroy!wvus!carrera!pete
From: baer@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Exchanging money in Europe
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:26:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwovax.1992Sep30.102655.1
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

In article <1a79r8INN3ac@network.ucsd.edu>, nbeck@weber.ucsd.edu (Nathaniel Beck) writes:
> In article <13353@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Every town had one (usually more) ATM's. As did the airports.
>>>Withdrawals from these machines were converted at NY money market
>>>rates (same as for a credit card purchase.) We never had any
>>>difficulty finding a machine,
>>
>>Do European ATMs participate in some of the traditional
>>US ATM networks (Cirrus, Stratus, Plus, etc), and is this
>>how you're able to withdraw cash from them?  IE- The funds
>>come directly from your own bank account.
>>
>>Or are they just treated as credit card cash advances?a
>>
>>	Dave
> 
> We never found a machine that allowed for simple cash withdrawals.
> We always just got a cash advance against our visa credit line.
> Hence the need to prepay.
>
In France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Switzerland and Austria,
during  3 1/2 weeks of travel we *once* found a machine that took our
regular bank cards (Cirrus system) and dispensed money.  We had enough
cash and travellers checks anyway, so it wasn't a big deal, but...
It looked like about 40-60% of the machines would have taken our
Mastercards (cash advances) if we would have had our pin numbers with
us.   I *assume* that people with American Express cards can get money
at Amex offices (but then again, that's a cash advance too, isn't it?).
> (We met several people who didn't have their visa pin. If you are
> like us, you never use them at home and have no idea what they are.
> If you travel, call up your bank and get the number, just in case.)
> 
> Neal
> 
> -- 
> Neal Beck 
> Dept of Politcal Science, UCSD
> beck@ucsd.edu
> Dislaimer: The Regents pay me (in scrip?) to distribute my opinions!
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From: dms10@po.CWRU.Edu (David M. Shlaes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Touring Provence (France)
Date: 26 Sep 1992 17:22:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dms10@po.CWRU.Edu (David M. Shlaes)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu

In a previous article, ilanc@mot.com (Ilan Cohen) says:
 
>I am going to tour and rest in Provence (the area around Marseille, France).
>I will spend there a week, between Oct 1st and Oct 8th, and we will rent
>a car.
>
>I am looking for recommendations of places to visit, good restaurants to eat
>and hotels to stay.
>
>From local netters, I would like to get some updates on the weather in this
>area, since I heard some not-so-pleasent news regarding the pouring rain.
>
>We are more into touring the country-side, and less in the big cities.
>
>Please send responses via email, since I am not reading this news group
>regularly.
>
>Thanks,
>Ilan
 
 
Dear Ilan,
 
     I can't send you e-mail at the address given.  
 
     First, I recommend buying at Michelin Green Guide for
Provence Fance - there is an English version if you don't speak
french. Second, you have to give me an idea as to your interests. 
Do you like small, medevil villages? countryside? roman buildings,
artifacts, archeological digs, bigger towns with entertainment? 
What kinds of things do you like to do while relaxing?  Wine
tasting?  How about a hint?
-- 
Best,

Dave Shlaes
From: krys@cray.com (Krystyne Supplee)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Need Information on Switzerland, Zermatt, Interlaken
Keywords: Switzerland, Zermatt, Matterhorn, Interlaken, information
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:31:17 GMT



WANTED: INFO ON ZERMATT OR INTERLAKEN

My husband and I will be visiting Europe in a couple weeks and are
looking for someplace to spend our last weekend.  Our country of choice
is Switzerland,  but my problem is choosing the place in Switzerland.  

We are looking for a small-ish city in the mountains.  We just want to
relax, enjoy some scenery, and do a little souvenier shopping.
We are considering Zermatt or Interlaken.   Please -  if you have any
comments on either or any suggestions on really nice places to stay in
either town let me know soon.  We don't mind spending $100-200 per
night, if the place is worth it.

We will be coming from Paris and going to Amsterdam when the weekend is
done.  So we need someplace relatively easy to get in and out of.  Also,
we will not have a car - which is why we would like someplace where
everything is convenient to pedistrians.  Oh, and of course, it must be
accessible by train.

Thank you,

Krys Supplee


**********************************************************

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Cray Research, Inc.

Voice:	612/683-5475	
E-mail: krys@cray.com

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From: Edward.Starczewski@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Edward Starczewski)
Subject: Re: advice on walking (hiking) in England
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:51:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.174330.26476@sei.cmu.edu> pjf@sei.cmu.edu (Priscilla Fowler) writes:
>I will be visiting my son who is attending university in London
>in early November.  We would like to take a trip to somewhere
>outside London (no more than 2-4 hours distant) where it is
>quiet and we can, from a B&B or small hotel, do day hikes for two
>or three days.
>
>The B&B/hotel should be close to train or bus transportation
>and be a place where one can sit around in the evening and
>read a good book, or do a puzzle, or play a game etc.  My
>son has had enough nightlife in London and so is ready to
>take a quiet few days off ... ;)
>
>Any recommendations about location, etc? hotels or B&B's?
>Is the weather still good enough to be outdoors (we don't
>mind cold, but pouring rain is something else).
>
>Thanks!
>
>PS: We've already "done" London, Stonehenge, Bath, Bristol,
>Chester, etc.  


Business, on occasion takes me to a town called Malvern in
Worcestershire (about a 4-5 hour drive from london).  The town is
located on the side of a hill, with trails leading to the top.  In
addition there are other hills in the region, all linked by trails. 
Malvern (in particular its water from the hills) is well known, and was
quite a spa town in Victorian times from what I'm told. As for B&B's in
Malvern I would highly recommend the Cotford on Graham Rd.  I have
stayed there numerous times and have never been disappointed.  The last
time I was there the rates were 25 pounds for a single, 35 pounds for a
double. Hope this helps

Ed Starczewski
Rome Laboratory
stare@lonexb.rl.af.mil

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From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Driving from San Fran to Las Vegas
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:43:05 GMT


You could take Highway 1 from San Francisco to San Luis Obispo or
Santa Barbara, then head west and visit Death Valley.  There are no
easterly routes off Hwy 1 between Carmel and Cambria, but that
stretch is a lovely drive.

October 11 is Columbus Day.  Not a major holiday, most people don't
get the Monday off, all businesses open.
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