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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:15:44 GMT

Laughter!!  I'm incoherent, I'll admit it.  :)  I'm having too much fun
meandering....  Mom was an amniocentisist and horticulturist, Dad a
researcher and a professor.  What can I say?

In my life I've never seen a conflict between science and religion.  For
me, they go hand in hand.  But then I always loved Feynman and the saying
that when the Scientist reaches the Truth, they might find the holy ones
there as well.

Science has some really cool answers, too.  :)  Chaos theory absolutely
flabbergasts me, order in Chaos, and the infinite complexity of an analog
reality.  The thought of a butterfly's wing changing the pattern of the
world's weather, or the thought of capturing that within an equation.

Mathematics and physics...  someone once said that God's language must
have been mathematics, and the first words that were said were Maxwell's
equations, and then there was light.  Such immensity within such
simplicity, so elegant and absolute it's a type of faith that I've always
enjoyed.  I can't resist the beauty of and the morality of relativity.
It may be the basis of my beliefs.  :)

Research takes faith, takes perserverance, and it takes more sweat and
heartache than most folks seem to realize.  There is a certain grace for
anyone that works and believes that much and attains that kind of truth.
And research is what taught me that sometimes knowing what went wrong and
where there *aren't* going to be fruitful answers is as important as
finding where there are...

-- 
Liralen Li           | "Looking down on empty streets, all she can see
aka Phyllis Rostykus |  are the dreams made solid, the dreams made real"
li@inigo.Data-IO.com |                       - Peter Gabriel, _So_
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Sorry 'bout that, folx....
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:48:08 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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In article <1992Nov10.030530.3832@u.washington.edu>, dunk@carson.u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg) writes:
=The last person (or persons) who are still in have their bar tab
=paid by Mike   (BTW, what ever happened to the old regulars,
=such as Doc and Long-swallow?

Are you referring to Long-drink McGonigle? (my spelling's probably a bit off).

=Any one here a Dave Eddings fan?   I tried to post on the 
=alt.fan.eddings net, but the computer system here said that
=there was no such net.

Well, there *IS* no such NET.  There *IS*, however, such a NEWSGROUP, and there
have been at least 1113 articles posted to it.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:57:41 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
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In article <memo.741585@cix.compulink.co.uk>, maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe) writes:
=I know that all the campaign documents were on the Internet 
=somewhere, organised by MIT I believe and you could email questions 
=and comments in. I don't have the details anymore, I'm afraid. The 
=posting in a newswire I get said that all the info was already on the 
=net and just needed organising, so it should still be there 
=somewhere? 

StM adds, "I don't remember where it was, but I did notice one interesting
thing.  The folks at MIT (actually, I think it was just one over-zealous
Clinton supporter) posted a LOT of Clinton's speeches to MANY of the sci
newsgroups.  Sci.energy, sci.environment, and sci.geo.meteorology, to name a
few.  Now there was probably about 1 paragraph out of many kilobytes of
material posted that was relevent to each of these groups.  Oddly enough, the
guy didn't post ANY of this stuff to the ONE sci group that is set up to
address such things as politicians' campaign speeches, and in which ALL of the
stuff posted would've been appropriate.  I speak, of course, of sci.skeptic."
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:56:36 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
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In article <1992Nov10.202416.16655@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
>	Michael smiles.  "Of course, by now the Nightstalker must have
>expected StM's reaction.  I think we'd all be worried if someone
>posted something positive about Christianity and StM _didn't_ file an
>objection-- it just wouldn't be the same Place, somehow.  :-)"

Oh, it's quite possible to post something positive about Christianity without
drawing an objection from me.  For example, if someone were simply to say, "I
find Christianity reassuring," they'd get no objection.  If they said that
Christianity preaches noble goals, they probably wouldn't get an objection, and
if I did object, the objection would be quite mild.  However, when someone
posts something that implies that somehow Christians have a monopoly on decency,
or that otherwise makes overstated claims about the religion then, yes, I will
object.  Loudly.  It's been my experience that there's frequently a vast gulf
between what Christians pay lip service to and what they actually do.  When
they start claiming the stuff to which a large number of Christians only pay lip
service as one of the accomplishments of Christianity, I won't let that pass
unchallenged, especially when there are many non-Christians who actually DO
what so many Christians only talk about.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: FOOD FIGHT !!! (Re: Oh Yeah)
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there)
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:41:09
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In-reply-to: s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au's message of 9 Nov 92 06:41:54 GMT

>JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Thyra)) writes:
>
>>She takes out another amulet and puts it on, and offers others to Susan,
>>Liralen and Bear. "Does anybody else want a protective amulet? All it does
>>is make messy stuff rebound on the caster. But these things -won't- stop
>>peanuts or other stuff that won't hurt or mess up the wearer."

"Will they stop fungus and dairy products?  Been hungering for a mushroom
and cheese amulet lately..."

--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, silhouetted
by the sea, circled by the circus sands, with all memory and fate driven deep 
beneath the waves; let me forget about today until tomorrow"  -Bob Dylan.

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: ... and you didn't even know I'd gone!
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  6 Nov 92 02:22:37 GMT

jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:

>     "Rutabaga is some sort of vege-table. I have never eaten one, let alone
>   be one, " DJ. :-)   

I just looked it up in my trusty Oxford Concise Dictionary (when are we
going to get a _real_ dictionary on this thing?) and it says "swede
turnip".  Yum!!  Thanks DJ!  BTW I wouldn't be a vegetable either - I'd
get eaten  :-)

Splash!
--
***************************** Michael van Keulen *************************** 
* Snail: School of BES - Biology         e-mail: keulen@murdoch.edu.au     *
*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
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*************************** "To Love is to _LIVE_!" ************************
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Rock and U2
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:45:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

C speaks up, after a week of silence.
"Been pretty b-z lately with work, and haven't been able to follow all
the threads in our favourite transdimensional tavern. Anyway...

"I went to a U2 concert last night, and before it, I suspected that
U2 might be the greatest performance band in the world. Well, now I know
that they are. =) I've been following them since their _War_ album, and
seen their music change from those of angry young men, to the almost
mellow mid-life-crisis stage stuff that they put out now, and their music
has had a large influence on me. _Pride_, a song about the assassination
of Martin Luther King, made me read up on him, and he is one of the man
I most admire. ( Has anybody thought about using rock music in the school
curriculum? Think about it: Letting high school kids listen to _Papa_Don't_
Preach_ to learn about sex education, Don McLean's _Vincent_ for Van Gogh
etc. Worth looking into.. )

"Anyway, U2 seemed very aware of it's superstardom, and the whole ZOO TV
concert was a satire on the media and their own fame. Before they begun
their encore set, ( which they KNEW they were going to perform, by the
lead in), Bono looks into a mirror and says "You know something, you're
full of s***!". I think it holds with it the disillusionment of U2, an
almost Faustian record of their superstardom, where they have become so
big, they've feel that they've sold themselves out on the way. Now, one
need no longer believe in U2's ideals to listen to U2. Such is the state
of superstardom....

"Anyhow, they have 3 more stops left, I think. I would reccomend
that you try to catch them if you can. Nov 10, they'll be at Jack Murphy
Stadium, San Diego, Nov 12 Silver Bowl, Las Vegas, Nov 14 Anaheim. U2
is one of those bands that are actually better LIVE than on disc, and no
Milli Vannili stuff either!

( And if you are going to one of those shows, drop me a line, as I want to
get a few of those nifty U2 caps they sell. )

[ Hmm.. how coherent was the above.. my mind has been so numbed by school-
work lately... ]
C 
+
+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
	Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans.
							- John Lennon
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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: ... and you didn't even know I'd gone!
Date: 7 Nov 1992 18:13:38 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
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In article <1992Nov6.182432.17334@cs.mcgill.ca>, braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (The Didi-Sprite) writes:
>"Tee-hee!"  giggles the -Sprite.  "Abner is right though.  A rutabaga
>looks like a small turnip, though it is white, instead of orangey
>yellow and has a lovely purple-magenta band round the top.  As to taste,
>I will have to go out and buy one and try it out for you, because I have
>never had one myself ... unless it was in soup or stew or something like
>that and I was unaware that it was there."

>Obviously, she and our supermarket manager/s need to get together
>on their naming and descriptive techniques ... I am now wondering
>if what I have thought to be a Rutabaga is, in fact, something else!

Your description sounds like your garden-variety turnip, right down to the
purple top.

-StM, who used to grow turnips in his parents' garden.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Access problems :-(
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:52:16 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

Jason sits in the corner, muttering angrily at his PowerBook while loading
and relaoding software. Every few minutes he restarts the computer, crosses
his fingers, taps in a couple commands, and lets fly with another muffled
curse. Finally he gives up in disgust and closes the little laptop
cyberdeck.

"Well, I guess I'm stuck. Both my home system and my laptop have decided
they want a vacation from downloading the mass of newsgroup posts and
on-line library catalog accesses that Pegasus and I usually do each
evening. Nothing that requires a TCP-IP protocol will work! I can connect
to the net just fine by Appletalk Remote Access, I can use MS Mail, I can
even go back to using Timbuktu again to run my office system from home. But
connect to the Internet directly? Noooo. I think the problem is in the ARA
server in my office. That's the only thing that would explain both
computers ceasing to function at once. (They both scan clean for viruses.)"


Jason realized that the steady stream of tech talk has created several sets
of glazed eyes around him. "Well, in simple terms, I can only read and post
to the newsgroups from my office, unless I want to put up with really long
response delays while running my office computer remotely. So, until I get
this fixed, I'll be ABEND in the evenings and on weekends. If you need me
any time other than working hours, 8 to 5 M-F (PST), send me an e-mail.
That still gets through."

"There is someone else who is also ABEND. Feather can read what is posted
here, but none of her posts are showing up here. She's tried posting
several times this last few weeks with no luck, and didn't realize she
wasn't getting through until I e-mailed a friendly memo asking if she was
still around. Her e-mail still works, so if you want to chat with her, send
it that way. She will probably relay a few things through me for posting
sometime soon."

"Guess that's it for now." <Sigh!!> He reopens the Powerbook, and starts in
again. He mutters to himself. "Now maybe if I reload the server software .
. ."

Jason
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Gasoline taxes
Date: 7 Nov 1992 04:22:48 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov5.181521.4303@data-io.com>, li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
>There are some businesses up here that *give* bus passes to their employees,
>because it is impossible to increase parking in the city center.  They have
>special lots and spaces for those that carpool.  Some businesses even pay
>their employees a bonus if they don't drive.

That's the way they SHOULD put it, if they're going to do something like that. 
But bad examples abound.  For example, Caltech just decided to do something
like that, but their implementation is to give, if I recall correctly, $18 per
month to employees who car-pool.  OK, so now I've got to try to find someone
willing to swing by my apartment on their way to and from work so that I can
collect the $18 (I'll split it 50/50 with anybody I can convince to do this),
instead of bicycling to work as I do now :-).
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: wyang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William D Yang)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:41:33 GMT

My question: why let others find the answers for you, when you can
find them in yourself?
 
People may not really appreciate this statement... but I think it
happens to be true.  God is not a globally necessary condition to
explain things, nor is science.  The only explanation that's worth
having is the one you can accept -- if you can't accept it, what's its
explanatory value?
 
Me, I'm a philosopher (or so I like to think! ;).  Sometimes, science
gives me the answer I want.  Sometimes, a little mathematic induction
with a twist of lime, or a healthy read of Plato, The Bible, or even a
good comic book gives me what I need.  Sometimes, it's a movie that
makes it all clear... other times, it's a yellow and black book and a
cup of coffee with the be-all, end-all explanation of what the frack
is going in in Faulkner's _The Sound and the Fury_.
 
There's not one answer for each question.. there's a billion billion,
or more.  Not all are "right" in the objective sense, of course...
but there's something to be said for being wrong every once in a
while.
 
Give your faith where you will.  That's the only way worth living.
 
	-Bill
--
William D. Yang         wyang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu         Yang.25@osu.edu
It's my opinion, but if you really want it, you can have it for a nominal fee.
ObPhilosophy:  One's mind should always reach further than one's overbite.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Gasoline taxes
From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan)
Date: 8 Nov 92 12:41:55 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Physics

In article <1992Nov6.154901.27958@news.columbia.edu>, tje3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu writes:
> S H L G Bisson writes:
> 
>>"There's also what seems to be a fairly uniquely British concept that
>>hasn't been mentioned here yet: the Park And Ride. 
>>
>>"Here an out of town parking area for a large number of cars is set up,
>>and a subsidised bus route direct to the town centre is provided. In 
>>Bath we have three Park and Ride schemes at present, with a further three
>>planned. These, in conjunction with bus lanes should provide a much improved
>>traffic flow, and a more pleasant environment in the town.

I've seen several Park and Rides in Seattle so I know they exist in the U.S.
Pittsburgh here has bus lanes for some routes and I've seen carpool lanes on
I-279 though for some reason it's closed at least half the times I come into
the city that way and there's no discernable construction.

> 	"I've seen Park and Rides outside Cedar Rapids, Iowa, although
> they're not the same thing exactly," says the Lamplighter.  "Aurora tells me
> that they're parking lots outside of town where, for example, five people
> could drive their cars in, and then carpool into town in the remaining car,
> leaving four cars behind."

That's an interesting idea...never have seen those before.
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 P'relan (and Birith)      	   ``Time stand still -
 jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu      I'm not looking back -
  or jwwalden@miavx1.bitnet	     But I want to look around me now.'' - RUSH
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove)
Subject: Re: I'm Published!!! (WAS: FOOD FIGHT !!!!)
Reply-To: rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove)
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:55:04 GMT

The Golden Gryphon sez:

> To hard work.  It seems to be the only way to follow your dreams!"

><<<CRASH>>>

>The sound of breaking glass echos in the fireplace.

Gypsy looks up from her corner.  The Golden Gryphon 
announces his publication and fulfillment of a dream.
She remembers all the hard work it took to fulfill her 
dreams and fills a teacup and heads over to the fire.

<May you find your dreams and may there always be
another dream waiting when one is fulfilled!>

++++<CRASH>++++

Rowan (Gypsy Woman)

Rowan Fairgrove
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (JASON))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Invisible Feathers
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:11:56 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <OLSON.92Nov11000348@husc8.harvard.edu>, olson@husc8.harvard.edu
(Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov10.202927.7153@data-io.com> li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
> 
> >"Drat." she says, rubbing the water out of her eyes, and then looks around
> >at the Callahan's folks.  "I couldn't find it.  Could someone post the
> >mail addresses by which someone can post to a group by mail, again?  I
> >know that they were in Nick's intro to the Place, but I don't have them
> >anymore, as I don't use 'em anymore.  Folks could use that if they have
> >email."
> 
> If I recall correctly, it's newsgroup_name@ucb.berkeley.edu, replacing 
> the .'s in the name with _'s, so in our case, alt_callahans@ucb.berkeley.edu
> would get here.

A teletype on one wall clatters to life. Mike takes the paper out, looks at
it, and hands it to Liralen and Chip. It says :

I JUST FORWARDED THIS INFO TO FEATHER BY E-MAIL, TO MAKE SURE SHE SEES IT.

JASON

A quick look around the room reveals that Jason is nowhere to be seen.
However, just above the teletype there is a small silver sphere with four
articulated legs, clinging to the ceiling like some mechanical spider. It
has a camera lens and a tubular microphone aimed right at Chip and Liralen.
Thyra notes it, and explains "That's one of Jason's rigger remotes. That's
how he monitored the conversation for Feather. He must be quite busy
somewhere else."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: Invisible Feathers
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:29:27 GMT


Liralen dives below the surface of the hot tub after seeing Feather
in the bubble.  She disappears out of the bottom of the tub; and then 
comes back up empty handed.

"Drat." she says, rubbing the water out of her eyes, and then looks around
at the Callahan's folks.  "I couldn't find it.  Could someone post the
mail addresses by which someone can post to a group by mail, again?  I
know that they were in Nick's intro to the Place, but I don't have them
anymore, as I don't use 'em anymore.  Folks could use that if they have
email."

-- 
Liralen Li           | "Looking down on empty streets, all she can see
aka Phyllis Rostykus |  are the dreams made solid, the dreams made real"
li@inigo.Data-IO.com |                       - Peter Gabriel, _So_
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:33:39 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov13.004133.12779@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The
Nightstalker) writes:
=In article <OLSON.92Nov10235519@husc8.harvard.edu> olson@husc8.harvard.edu
=(Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there) writes:
=>Christian religion, to be certain, but that's because it's *about* Western
=>science vis-a-vis Judeo-Christianity.  The fact that it does not address,
=>for the most part, other religions and scientific traditions does *not*
=>imply bigotry on the part of the author.  

=The Nightstalker pokes his head from round a VR corner.  
="I was actually think of retitling it Christianity and science.  Perhaps
=I should have.  My problem with eastern systems is that I see them more
=as ideologies (and I think that is probably fair for most of them?  asking
=here for correction).

StM once again looks a bit confused.  He peers closely at Abner and Aahz, and
finally says, "Funny.  You don't *LOOK* oriental.  Strange how even after Chip
mentions Judaism, the Nightstalker still doesn't realize that Christianity
isn't the only religion around (after dismissing Buddism, Tao, etc. as "not
real religions").  Then of course there's Islam.  All three religions have the
Old Testament in common.  That would appear to indicate that they're attempting
to worship the same god.  Yet somehow the Nightstalker doesn't seem to be aware
of the existence of Islam and Judaism.  Why doesn't that surprise me?"