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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Cadillacs (WAS: INFFINITI vs BMW)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:50:11 GMT

In article <CARL.92Nov18133713@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>
>>The Allante with the Northstar engine makes 60 in 6.7 seconds if I remember
>>right.  And Road&Track LOVED the handling too.....
>
>>Not to mention the thing has a FANTASTIC-sounding exhaust!
>
>Well, the Allante is already a 60k car even before the Nortstar
>engine.  How much extra will the Northstar add - it will probably put
>it into the 70k range, so for only 25k more than a Q45 you can get
>exactly the same acceleration.  Hmmm, which one would *I* buy :^)
>
>-Carl-
>--
	The Caddy.  295hp 21mpg hwy 150mph top end and ragtop all for <$64K
according to MT.  And, please, can we start comparing cars that have 
Try the Allante vs. MB300SL or JagXJ-S cabriolet.  (BTW, C/D tried this, and,
much to their surprise, the Caddy won)  OR the admittadly wonderful Qster vs.
the STS...  Better competition...  CLOSE competition IMHO

	NO FLAME INTENDED :-)]


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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: What do you think about Grand AM?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.161407.11950@dbsun.uucp> meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer) writes:
>In article <BxsBBH.742@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> alanlevy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alan Levy) writes:
>>I am looking to possibly purchase a 1993 Pont. Grand AM GT.
>
>Well, since there have been changes (at least one good - antilock brakes)
>between my '90 and the current ones, I'm not sure if this is a valid
>data point.  However...
>
>My '90 has been *excellent*.  Needed the gear indicator aligned and a
>piece of interior trim re-attached when I bought it (new).  After that,
>I have had **zero** problems with it, and those I had were not "problems"
>of any magnitude (interior trim didn't impact performance ;-).
>
>Don

my 89 2door with qaud4 and auto has needed:
new thermostat, *head gasket*(however on the plus side even though the warranty
was over by 3 months gm covered it under warranty as i had only 38k miles on
the car), also paint started bubbling in 5 places and again they covered it
all under warranty and repainted both doors and rear-quarters.
other than that just normal oil/plug stuff.  but i was amazed that pontiac
is standing behind their product like this.  oh, btw, the head gasket was 
supposedly redesigned so that this does not keep happening.

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From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Subject: 88 GM truck and paint
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:23:35 GMT

I read a while back that Ford has a "silent" recall for a paint 
problem with their trucks (blue if I remember)

Well I have a  1988 GMC (Secret Service dark blue) that seems to be
just chipping away. I went to the dealer yesterday and inquired as to why
this was happening.  The body shop manager took a look at the truck, said
x "Yup, paint delamination.  We can fix you up for only the $100 deductable".

Well a few thoughts jumped to my mind:

	1) I expected the worst..like it was all my fault and I would pay
	   through the nose.

	2) In the little time he examined the vehicle, he was quite
	   confident that it would only cost the $100 Deductable..Gee
	   I don't have any "extend warranty".

	3) He didn't say, but I bet he had seen this before and GM
           is aware of it. 

SO I ask the great wisdom of the net..Has anyone out experienced this
problem or have heard of it from the GM side? Has anyone actually had
this work done? 

Thanks 


Kevin
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: where to buy car? NY or NM?
Date: 15 Nov 1992 18:26:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, rabson@oxford.ac.uk (David Rabson) says:

>I am planning to move to New Mexico in the United States and understand
>that I will need a car (no train or bus service to where I'm going).  As I
>expect to pass through New York first, the question is whether I should
>buy a car in upstate New York or in New Mexico.  A few years ago, cars were
>supposed to be much cheaper in the South; please let me know if that is
>still true.  I imagine too that purchasing a car in one state but trying
>to register it and pay the sales tax in another might be a headache.
>
>For sake of argument, let's say I plan to buy the lowest-end Saturn with
>automatic transmission, manual windows, and no air cooling or other
                                                ~~~~~~~~~~~
in NM???...you're silly!..and why an auto?..are they not more expense?..

>options.  How much will it cost in Rochester, New York, and how much in
>Santa Fe, New Mexico?  (This last question, obviously, is aimed at readers
>in those two cities.)
>
>With thanks,
>David "I-hate-cars" Rabson
>Oxford, U.K.

if you hate cars, what do you like?..maybe you should look into a motor
cycle?...i dunno..just an offering of suggestion(though that won't do you
much good in NY during the winter..but should be fun and economical for
NM, and you can't buy A/C anyhow!)..just offering that suggestion, cuz
i knew a man from oxford who moved to Texas, and he also bought a car
because someone told him he would need to..but he also hated it, and was
soon back on two wheels(soon as he got moved in, he bought a used bike,
and was much happier!)..but..like i said, he rode one in Britian too...
good luck!
DREW
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From: wesp@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wesly Poka)
Subject: Re:  88 GM truck and paint
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:18:49 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.112335.14021@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell) writes:
 
>
>Well I have a  1988 GMC (Secret Service dark blue) that seems to be
>just chipping away. I went to the dealer yesterday and inquired as to why
...Stuff deleted....
>SO I ask the great wisdom of the net..Has anyone out experienced this
>problem or have heard of it from the GM side? Has anyone actually had
>this work done?
>
 
	I have a dark blue 1989 Chev full size and chips as big as quarters
come off regularly, especially after a hard rain.  I haven't gone to the dealer
because I'm not the original owner.  My friend has a 1989 Jimmy that is also
dark blue.  He had a paint problem and the dealer repainted the Jimmy, but
didn't do a very good job tho' :-( 

wes


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From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:02:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	Before we go into the argument, can we agree on onething, please
reputation takes time to build, It takes even longer to turn a bad
image into a good one. If the BIG 3 believe that they can bulid good
cars, keep on doing it, people will eventually turn around. They have
spent a lot of time in destroying their reputation, why shouldn't they 
suffer for that. 

	Now let's see some of the argument

In article <BxqMzH.51M@acsu.buffalo.edu> v064mcqs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL GANDLER) writes:
>

>      Examples of American accomplishments in the auto industry:
>		1. GM's Saturn division. A complete sucess. Making the
>       Japanese wet their pants.

Saturn may well be a good car, but do not forget the ads
"we can build as good car as Japaness"--by Saturn, what does that
imply?

>               2. Chrysler minivans are superior to their japanese counterparts

Well, Japaness did not enter the part of market until very recent,
and as I said, it takes time to build reputation, and they are
not waving flags, but making vans.

>                3. The new Cadillac Northstar Engine. Superior that any 
>of the v8's japan can ship out.

Any serious V* attempts by Japaness, yet?

>                4. Chrysler's Cab forward cars. Which show remarkable 
>engineering. And are the first cars to use non-cfc air conditioning which

The car looks good, but non-cfc ac, hope nobody in 10-20 years will cry
for murder.

>		5. The Ford Taurus is a better value than the accord and
>camry. 

Value is in the eyes of beholder, I do like the car though.

>		6. American trucks are far superior to the japanese toy
>pieces of shit. 

Again, any serious attempts by Japaness in that area yet?

>
>
>		Neil Gandler
>

My understanding is that, for people who never admits a mistake,
those are the people who will never be able to correct it.

[By the way, I am neither Japaness, nor American, just one who
have heard too much "buy xxx" in my life, only to wake up to 
terrifying reality]

Wei
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From: dreddy@b30.ingr.com (Devender Reddy)
Subject: NEED INFO ON ISUZU TROOPER (90,91,92)
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:54:42 GMT

Hi Netters,

A friend of mine is interested in buying a used (90, 91, 91) Isuzu Trooper 
and needs to find  more info about the performance and the maintanence costs.

Please respond any info regarding these models.

Thanks a lot.

Devender Reddy
dreddy@b30news.b30.ingr.com
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From: RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com (Jim Chott)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Motorola SPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:54:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.162341.2189@nosc.mil>, koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil
(Walter A. Koziarz) wrote:
> 
> >>Go with the Cummins (I understand Ford will be going with that motor, too)
> >>if you can afford it.  The International engine in the Ford trucks is okay
> >>but lacks the all-out-power of the Cummins.  I know several people that 
> 
>actually, the Navistar lacks the *torque* of the Cummins, as does virtually >any other passenger-vehicle engine...  400lb-ft @ 1700rpm is nothing short of
>wonderful... the Navistar has more horsepower...


The Navistar in the Ford (7.3 liter version) puts out 345lb-ft @ 1400rpm, 
and about 185 horsepower @ 3400rpm.
True, not quite what the Cummins has, but a good engine nonetheless.
However, the comment about the rest of the truck not able to handle it
is true.  Rear is okay, but I went through 2 front axles, one front
differential, one front driveshaft, and the radiator core support,
(sheetmetal cracked up).  This is with heavy 4WD use.  The Dodge
has much heavier drivetrain throughout, and I would recommend it
over the Ford.

Jim Chott
rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com             Tempe, Arizona
85 Toyota 4WD pickup                 72 Lemans Sport Convertible
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From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: FOR SALE: Honda CRX in Balto/D.C. Area 
Organization: master/peon
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:49:51 GMT

85 Honda CRX. 5 speed, Low miles (68K), 
Well-maintained, w/records, new muffler, clutch. 
Timing belt installed 2.5 years ago.
Recent MD Inspection (april, and nothing has happened since)
$3,000.    (410)-997-1715
Exterior is dark blue, in very fine codition (no
rust or gashes) interior is clean, and nothing wrong
under the hood. A great, sporty little car.
Call or e-mail

Jon jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Valve sealing oil additives
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:59:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa

Are there any really good products out there to help seal valves better,
and quiet them down? It's a 1986 Dodge/Plymouth Colt with 95k miles on
it. Will Slick 50 help with this at all?

Please send e-mail to <selick@csa.bu.edu>
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Experiences with Pickups
Date: 19 Nov 1992 06:24:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) says:

>Bill Barham (barham@medtronic.COM) wrote:
>: I am planning to buy a used full-size pickup.  I am thinking about going with
>: a diesel engine.  I would like to here about good and bad experiences with
>: full-size pickups, gas and diesel.
>
>Pickups:
>
>If you want a "working vehicle" get Ford or Dodge.  They don't die like
>the GM crap does (go ahead, flame me if you wish but I won't change my
>mind).  If you want yuppie styling, then you may like the GM look.  Around
>my area, the Boss' rig is often a Chevy or GMC for the "image" but the 
>company work vehicles are almost always Ford.  

i just want to say..i agree w/ you Wes!!!..good job!!!
>
>If you are going to be hauling 4 X 8 sheets of plywood/sheetrock, steer
>away from the GM rigs.  The bed won't quite be sized for your needs.
>
>
>Diesels:
>
>Go with the Cummins (I understand Ford will be going with that motor, too)
>if you can afford it.  The International engine in the Ford trucks is okay
>but lacks the all-out-power of the Cummins.  I know several people that 
>have been ripped badly with the GM 6.2 (Fuel pumps/injection most of the 
>problem here, plus the standard THM 700/R-4 nightmares).
>
i've heard tell of someone working w/ CAT(yeah..like..heavey EQ manufacutere)
for a newer diesel motor, which will(supposedly) leave the cummins gasping
for breath, and will weigh in around 300lbs less....i just can't remember
who is supposedly doing it..i hope to goodness it is not GM....as i do not
think their trucks are worthy of such a workhorse of a motor...(a blown
305 runnin' tpi and 400horses, yes..but that is a street motor..two different
concepts!)
DREW
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From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C (was Re: Whining about buying American cars)
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:45:13 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>Quoted from advertisement between pages 54 and 55 of the Nov. 16th Issue
>of Newsweek:
>
>"The air conditioning refrigerant cools without harming the ozone."
>
>Also, in the same advertisement:
>"We've made extensive use of recycled materials to absorb sound and
> reduce vibrations.  And one day down the road, 90% of this car is 
> designed to be recycled.  Something we all can live with"
>
>Proof enough?  Well, I guess it could be false advertising,
>but they would be in a mighty lawsuit, because something
>like that would definately be tested by outsiders.
>
>*round of applause for the Intrepid*
>
>Derek

Boo Hiss

Most of any car is recyclable. Also, the refrigerant in any 
air conditioner cools without harming the ozone. they tell
me that it causes trouble when it leaks out. ( I'm not convinced;
but that's another argument...)

-- Dan Meyer

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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Plymouth or Oldsmobile?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:42:22 GMT

In article <Uf2m9RW00Uh_09=wYI@andrew.cmu.edu> Jason Paul Togyer <jt3y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Okay, so here's my question:
>
>Will Chrysler discontinue Plymouth before GM discontinues Oldsmobile?
>
>Notice, first, that there is no Plymouth version of the LH, and second
>that Plymouth now has no model that is not duplicated in another
>Chrysler line.  I get the feeling that Plymouth's days are numbered.
>
>Discussion?
>--Jason Togyer
>
yea, plymouth name sucks.  no one wants to own a *plymouth*.  same with 
OLDsmobile.  an OLD-car...for OLD-goats.  i think xlyer should dump the 
plymouth name.  eagle is cool name and mostly cool products(not the premier though).
From: tsmith@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Isuzu Rodeo
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:40:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: cerritos.1992Nov16.134048.7571
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

This is my first post to this group but I hope that someone can provide info 
for me on purchasing a particular truck I am interested in.  The Truck is a
1992 Isuzu Rodeo, Metallic blue, power stearing, outside tire, Air cond.
I've heard that the truck comes in two engines, a 2.6 liter isuzu and a
V6 GM engine.  The model i'm interested is the 2.6 basic, no power windows
or power locks, i'm not interested in the 4 by 4 model.  Also, is this truck
made in Indiana (Lafette?) or is it just assembled there?  

Tom.
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Infiniti G20
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:18:26 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <1eqc5fINNa7c@uwm.edu> qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Cindy Crawford) writes:
> 
> If you don't like the Altima, fine!  Choose Nissan's other fine
> offering in the sedan market, the Infiniti G20.  List prices are
> one thing, but brand new 1993 G20's can be had for $16,000. 
> That includes all power accessories and ABS.  Why choose the 
> typical Accord or Camry when you could have one of the world's
> best handling sedans? 

Been watching too much TV have we ? ? ? Take a good hard test drive in
a Saturn SL2 and then talk about handling in a small sedan.


 You get a free loaner, roadside assistance,
> etc.  If you wanted a European sedan like a Passat or a 318i but
> wanted Japanese durability, look no further. 

No - keep looking until you reach your nearest Saturn dealer. Same loaner
policy, same roadside assistance, lower price, made in USA.
> 
CD
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From: asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: Cadillacs (WAS: INFFINITI vs BMW)
Keywords: real life yeah right
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:37:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.185925.11880@acd4.acd.com> jbii@HDFS1.acd.com ( John O. Bell II ) writes:
>I want to know how you got these prices, seeing as I was in C/U here recently
>looking at cars... of course, I'm not blind to the extra $20,000 that you seem
>to have overlooked. In Champaign especially, since it is a campus town full
>of rich ivory-tower professors that have no idea what cars _really_ cost.
    ^^^^

This is a joke, right? My advisor at UIUC congratulated me on how I, with an
MS, was getting a higher salary to start than he was making after 10 years
in the professor business. He drove an old Toyota beater, as did a lot
of his colleagues.
I _will_ admit to the ivory-tower bit, however. ;-)
Alan

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:04:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.232604.5712@leland.Stanford.EDU>
tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>[yet another article rooting for vehicles made by domestic manufacturers:
> GM, Chrysler, Ford]
>but don't get the wrong idea.  the saturn SC is one of the most competitive
>cars in the IMSA firestone firehawk series.  the 1991 champion
>in the touring class was a saturn.

I seem to have some cloggin' in my noggin'.

This is the upteenth post by Mr. Chen, supporting vehicles made by the
domestics, but Mr. Chen himself bought an Acura Integra.  No matter how
you slice that vehicle, it was not engineered in America, was not manufactured
here, and was not assembled here.

Come on.  Let's be consistent.  Mr. Chen sounds like all those Toyota
salesmen who harp and harp about how great Toyota is, but if you ask
them what kind of car _they_ drive, they say that they drive Honda.
Sheesh.

By the way, I personally think that American assembly and manufacturing
of vehicles suck.  American-assembled Japanese cars have creaks, squeaks,
and rattles, but Japanese-assembled Japanese cars are as solid as a,
well, an Integra.  (Yes, I drive an American-assembled "Japanese"
car.  I wanted to give an American a job, so sue me.  Yeah.  I hate
creaks, squeaks, and rattles.  I just wish that someone could tell me
how to get rid of them for free.)

But don't get me wrong.  I still think that Japanese direct/indirect
barriers to American cars are reprehensible and should be met with swift
and tough retaliation.

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Consumer Arbitration (Re: Are new cars typically blemished?)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:47:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.002438.28858@riacs.edu> ben@neti.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.233509.29953@tandem.com>, norcott_bill@tandem.com
>(Bill Norcott) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov17.222825.28074@riacs.edu>, ben@neti.arc.nasa.gov
>>(Ben Chang) writes:
>>>     I recently purchased a new vehicle and had noticed that the paint,
>>> some of the trim, and the rear bumper had spots similar to water spots.
>>> I took the car back to the dealer to ask them what caused the spots.
>> What make of car is it?
>The car is a '93 Toyota Corolla wagon.

Tsk.  Tsk.

You people should have listened to me when I told you to stay away from
Toyotas.

Here's an interesting tidbit that I've read.  Apparently, not all 
auto arbitration problems are handled by AAA.  It is the arbitrator
for Toyota, but the BBB (Better Business Bureau) is the arbitrator for
Nissan and Honda.

According to customer satisfaction surveys among the plaintiffs,
BBB is more inclined to rule in favor of the plaintiff than AAA.
This is food for thought...

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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:49:09 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <BxxMMz.2II@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> svanegmo@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond) writes:

>Besides, what's wrong with wanting to make a buck?

Not a damn thing. Honda wants to sell cars at a profit. A lot of people
consider their cars worth the cost. As long as that continues Honda will
make a profit and people will get cars that they like. People who don't
like Hondas don't have to buy them or believe their advertising.

Works for me.

-Geoff
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