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From: watkins@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Pardon my ignorance, but what happened last Saturday, 25 Sep?
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:20:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Oct7.152023.203001
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Oct3.055115.6950@hubcap.clemson.edu>, trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
> I'm listening to the Voice of Nigeria West Africa Service on 7255 kHz,
> (excellent sounds emmanating from my radio, to be sure) and the 
> announcer played a piece of music by a band from Ghana in honor of
> several Ghanaians (and perhaps Nigerians) who lost their lives 
> somehow last Saturday, September 25.  I'm wondering what happened
> to them...  Anyone know?
> 
> Thank you.
>  
> Trevor Bauknight         
Nigerian military aircraft crashed, killing large number of top nigerian
military officials including young upcoming, cream of the intelligentia .
Gary
From: Wally.Walters@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Wally Walters)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Great Victory in Angola! Savimbi loses elections.
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:13:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.2578.2AD71DA7
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/20.0 - Unisa Editorial, Pretoria

Hi Makala,

 PMM> In case you did know Africa neither values nor wants to hear your
 PMM> judgement on issues of morality.

I presume you meant "not" know!

Maybe this is the problem that all we africans who migrate to the
extremes of the spectrum *should* address? If I remember correctly
the quote is : "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend
with my life your right to say it"!

 PMM> As it is you might have to account for
 PMM> you where abouts during the june 16, 1976 period. If it happens that
 PMM> you were one of the gun  totting little devils who murdered so many
 PMM> children you could find your self in the same docket as Jonas Sabimbi. 

As it happens, I don't have too much problem explaining my whereabouts
at the time. I, together with a group of *AFRICANS* (if you prefer -
substitute multicultural/multiethnic/con-artists/racists/apartheid
puppets {or whatever "in" epithet you like}), were working on
a factory breakdown when we received the news - we sat in horror for
a while - then continued - what else could we do? - run off to the
US and make (semi) erudite comments about Africa on BBS's while
Africa dies?

As to the "gun" thing - I have *never* carried a gun, and do not
intend to do so in the future - which is more than you can say for
your "children" which you *presume* "I" murdered.

 PMM> I am amzed that you would even venture a reply, what makes you think
 PMM> your morallity is the same as ours?

Do you deny morality to anyone who disagrees with you?

BiBi
Wally


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:5274 sanet.talk.politics:81
From: mark@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: Third force rides again
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:54:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Oct14.085402.203103
Organization: University of Cape Town

gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:

> And note too the recent death of Mr Andre de Villiers, supposedly at the hands
> of a state death squad. Turns out the ANC were behind it - or at least ANC
> cadres. However, robbery seems to have been the motive. That should teach the 
> lesson of caution here.

Lessons of caution for Gavan here:

(1)  Being arrested by the police for a crime does not establish guilt.
     See the case of Christopher Toise who was arrested by the police
     for the murder of ANC cadre Pro Jack.  Despite the fact that he
     could prove he was in police custody at the time of the murder,
     they insisted on pressing charges against him until the case was
     thrown out by a magistrate.  Caution should apply all round - I 
     suggest you also apply caution before convicting on the word of
     the SA police.

(2)  A while ago Gavan accussed ANC cadres dressed in SADF uniforms of
     being responsible for the murder of IFP supporters in Natal.
     He was then noticably silent when police arrested an SADF member
     for the same murders a while back.  

Mark Ramsden
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS: MALAWI: NEW PRESSURE GROUP UNDER ATTACK
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:30:11 GMT

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Area: Africa, southern
Title: MALAWI: NEW PRESSURE GROUP UNDER ATTACK


//att editors:             please relate the following item
to 'malawi: alliance accused of
tribalism', moved from lusaka at
07.45 gmt.

dar es salaam, sep 29 (ips) -- exiled malawians have reacted
sharply to the formation of new a pressure group in malawi,
saying the move will weaken the struggle to oust president
kamuzu banda.

banda, now in his 90s, has ruled the landlocked central
african country since independence from britain in 1964, with
a brutal hand and an iron fist. opponents have been mortally
suppressed and those who have survived have been subjected to
incredible torture.

chakufwa chihana, trade unionist leader now on bail to face
seven sedition charges, sep. 21 transformed his malawi
democratic alliance (mda) into the alliance for democracy
(aford), a pressure group based in malawi's second city,
blantyre.

but the united front for multi-party democracy (ufmd), which
groups together the socialist league of malawi (lesoma) and the
malawi freedom movement (mafremo), said the formation of aford
is further testimony of banda's ''divide and rule'' tactics.

the third component of ufmd, congress for the second republic
(csr), led by exiled former malawian foreign minister kanyama
chiume, has withdrawn from the ufmd.

''aford's formation will weaken the opposition against
banda's aristocratic and tyrannical rule'', ufmd publicity
secretary, reginald mhango, told ips here tuesday.

''chihana has swallowed the bait and history will condemn him
as a traitor. he has betrayed the trust of his followers'', the
ufmd official said.

chihana and few others quit ufmd because their suggestion to
transform ufmd from a pressure group into a into a fully-fledged
political party was rejected, according to the ufmd.

''the formation of aford aims to isolate or marginalise
malawian exiles. it is a non-starter because the hundreds of
exiles cannot be wished away'', said a mafremo statement
released here tuesday.

''exiles are part of the liberation agenda and attempts to
side-step them only betrays political immaturity and terrible
miscalculation because the exiles are malawi's ticking time
bomb'', said lesoma in a statement. (end/ips/pc/tvh/apc/92)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african:5311 sanet.talk.politics:87
From: philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: ANC Leadership Wanes
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:07:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Wits University
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:02:07 GMT
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In article <Bw5q3D.Cvq@casper.cs.uct.ac.za> Riel Smit,
gds@casper.cs.uct.ac.za writes:
>Well, not according to my trusted Chambers 20th Century dictionary. 
Under
>'regime' (there is no regim) it simply says "regimen: administration",
and 
>under 'regimen' it says: "government: system of government: course of 
>treatment, as diet(med.): grammatical government: prevailing system or
set 
>of conditions."
>
>But yes, it somehow always seems to be used with a negative conotation.
>Maybe the people using it that way just don't know any better.
>
>[puts on asbestos suit, ducks behind tons of smileys]
>...and that surprises me, because it seems to be mostly African
politicians
>using it that way (and not just with respect to South Africa) and they 
>always know better. :-)

The most common use of "regime" is probably the "prevailing system of
things" definition (Concise OD). As such, it makes sense to refer to a
"regime" with respect to a system of government as opposed to a specific
political party (apartheid regime, Botha regime - no don't argue this
was a "normal" party political government).

Non-repressive governments are less easily identified as a "regime"
because presumably the "system" under which they operate is bigger
than the government of the day. One could refer to the "Bush regime"
but it would not fit the "prevailing system of things" definition in
quite the same way because Bush could lose in November without
the sort of large-scale systemic change (new constitution etc.) one
would expect in SA. Similarly, it would make sense to speak of the
"military regime" in Nigeria though I can't say I've heard this.
--
Philip Machanick
Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS: SOUTHERN AFRICA: NATIONS URGED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEACE
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:43:48 GMT

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Disarmament & Peace; Trade & Finance
Title: SOUTHERN AFRICA: NATIONS URGED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEACE


nyanga, zimbabwe, sep 30 (ips) -- southern african countries
were wednesday urged to take advantage of the advent of peace
and stability in mozambique, angola and south africa.

addressing the third regional business conference here
the head of the friedrich-naumann foundation (fnf), a german
non-governmental organisation in zimbabwe, underscored the
importance of peace for business to thrive.

''for 40 years, the south african political problem has been
the source of conflict in the sub-region'', christian friedrich
told 50 business persons from botswana, lesotho, malawi,
mauritius, mozambique, namibia, south africa, zambia and
zimbabawe.

''the conflicts in mozambique and angola that have been in
existence since 1975 have also contributed to the economic
problems of the region'' and have cost the region up to 100
billion dollars said friedrich.

the fnf head noted that the conflicts in the region
contribute to the high level of command economies in the ten
southern african development community (sadc) member states.

government controls and interventions, he said, had an
adverse effect on business and trade.

''the net effect has been economic stagnation and even
decline. investment levels have also not kept pace with the high
population growth levels'', he added.

friedrich also noted that the conflicts have shattered the
lives of millions of people resulting in large concentrations of
refugees and displaced persons in the-sub region.

however, he added with a potential market of 100 million
people, large reserves of strategic raw materials, and
potentially cheap energy the real challenge for the region was
the development of its potential.

zimbabwe's industry and commerce minister also noted that
events over the past 12 years in southern africa had resulted in
peace and stability, the movement towards democracy and
implementation of economic reform programmes.

''all these factors have created an environemt which calls
upon all of us to focus our attention on regional integration,
focussing on a single market and its likely effects on economic
growth'', chris ushewokunze told delegates to the two-day
conference. (end/ips/gk/tvh/92)
From: Wally.Walters@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Wally Walters)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: gatsha on the warpath
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: catpe.2558.2AD328C5
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/20.0 - Unisa Editorial, Pretoria


 "p> Read with some consternation Buthelezi's contention that the Spear
 "p> of the Nation (Umkonte Im Sizwe?) must disband or he'd declare war on
 "p> the ANC.

Well, while the rest of the political players are "fiddling" on
their soapboxes, why shouldn't poor old Buthelezi have a chance?




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From: manhica@icaen.uiowa.edu (Artur Simiao Manhica)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Gunfire heard in Luanda
Summary: What kind of democracy ????
Keywords: UNITA, election
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:06:17 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

After losing one of probably the most organized elections in modern Africa, 
Savimbi has opted to new tactics to attain the presidency.
1.	If E. dos Santos wins the elections were rigged and unfair,
thus his rep. Mr. Chivucuvucu has stated that new elections should take 
place in two months.
2.	If there is no new elections the fighting will restart.  
3.	Organize gun fire to intimidate everyone, plant bombs and continue
the intimidation process.
*****	The question here is what kind of Democracy is this ? When the same 
who "fought for democracy" deny it? Who is Savimbi some kind of cute jerk?
SAVIMBI wake up to reality you lost, you have your pockets full buy an 
island in the Pacific (next to Hawaii) and play golf with Bushy and Mr.
Potatoe!! 
Manhica
From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Shaka Zulu?
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:16:03 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <Bvz11F.4Dy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
>In article <Bvt93D.6yF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta) writes:
>
>>Shaka Zulu is apparently popular here for a number of reasons. Not the least
>>of which is that we see the world thru our prejudiced eyes. I just feel pity
>>for African Americans who actually believe that shit.
>
>By "Shaka Zulu" I meant the movie, not the man. I guess I should have used 
>quotation marks. The man was indeed great. Predictably, the clowns at UCT
>don't thinx so....

What was so great about him? Seems like a run of the mill  psychopath
militarist like Napoleon, Rhodes, or so many others.  

-- 


yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS: NIGERIA: MEN GIVE VASECTOMY COLD SHOULDER,
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:21:28 GMT

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print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: NIGERIA: MEN GIVE VASECTOMY COLD SHOULDER, FEARING CASTRATION


benin, nigeria, oct 3 (ips/kole babalola) -- vasectomy, a simple
male sterilisation method is one family planning devise most
nigerian men will not consider, let alone embrace.

to most of them, it is equated with castration.

so, when health minister olikoye ransome-kuti says the
government would soon come up with a programme of vasectomy to
check the balooning population of this west african nation, the
issue has generated heated controversy.

''over my dead body will anyone castrate me,'' fumes david
adedara, carpenter and father of six, who believes it is god
that gives children and nobody should question the number a
man has.

there are 89 million people in nigeria, africa's most
populous country, with an annual growth of of 3.5 percent. the
government's attempts to check the increase has stumbled on deep
seated conservatism.

there is a general tradition here that a families children
should not be enumerated.

adedara says he has not complained that he cannot feed
his children and wonders why the government should then bother.

ransome-kuti recently told participants at a workshop on
primary health care for local government workers in the capital
of the southern state of edo, that the planned programme was
necessary if the nigerian government was to meet its official
policy goal of four children per family.

''do not be afraid because you can still meet your wife
after the sterilisation,'' he told the men but added, ''only
you cannot be productive again''.

while the females at the workshop applauded the minister's
statement, the males murmured their displeasure.

''if women could be limited to four children under the
national population policy, it is only fair that something
should be done to the men,'' ransome-kuti said.

but, ''in the past five years, only three men have come to
family planning clinics nation-wide to accept vasectomy,'' says
babatunde sulaiman executive director of the planned parenthood
federation of nigeria.

most nigerian men who spoke to ips say they cannot imagine
themselves embracing vasectomy as a family planning method
because of the threat of infant mortality leaving them high and
dry in terms of off-spring. (end/ips/kb/oa/92)
From: laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Shaka Zulu?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:02:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Oct8.170221.4290
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <7072@transfer.stratus.com>, pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan) writes:
> Has anyone seen the TV miniseries being repeated now called Shaka Zulu?  
> Hope this isn't a dumb question, but is this culturally and sociologically  
> "accurate"? Feel free to email me.
> 
> Paul

 From  what I remember when it was first released in S.A., a couple of
 gung-ho historians laughed it off as being too dramatised. Obviously
 there is alot of the poet's license dramatisation that goes with any
 motion picture based on 'fact', but I think the general story and 
 the various incidents that occured in Shaka's life/rise to power
 are pretty much true. Let me put it this way, what I see in the 
 movie is basically what I was taught in high school history. 
 I'm sure if you had to ask a couple of zulus, you would get
 a different answer. Whether it would be similar to mine or even
 more dramatised, remains to be seen. Maybe we could ask
 Gatsha Buthelezi, his great grandfather was Ceteswayo (I think)
 who was the second Zulu king after Shaka. I'm sure his granddaddy
 had lots of juicy stories to tell him!

  Peter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: ANC Leadership Wanes
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:46:21 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
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philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Philip Machanick) writes:
: In article <1app07INN5dm@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> Scott Hazelhurst,
: shaze@cs.ubc.ca writes:
: 
: Yet another battle with Gavin.
: 
: My question: so the rest of the world is under-reporting evil by
: the ANC. Why isn't the IRR reporting all the human rights
: violations in kwaZulu? Or are all the reports about coercion
: to join Inkatha and general lack of free activity just more ANC
: propaganda? Please point me to the SAIRR study on this and I'll
: read it with interest.

Try any Race Relations Survey, for any year, and you'll find ample
reporting on ALL aspects of coercion and violence, including convictions
of KwaZulu policemen for murder and so on. They'll even be categorised
for you, er try "KwaZulu" for a start. 

Paul Perreira's spotlight on Coercion and Boycotts, April 1992, includes
some stuff on Inkatha but this has mainly been an ANC strategy. The SAIRR
survey's on intimidation surveyed EVERY political grouping in black urban
areas about ANY form of intimidation, hence reveals intimidation accross
the spectrum. Their analysis of violence stats INCLUDES Inkatha violence,
naturally, as you might care to verify - try the surveys again for pointers.

In fact, there isn't any concentration on the ANC at all. There was
some stuff on mass action - which is an ANC technique only - because of
the topicality, but in genral the stuff on violence and coercion is blanket
coverage.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Subject: Oops! Here's another one I have to kill(Re: ANC Leadership Wanes)
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:14:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.132558.10181@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za> Philip Machanick <philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za> writes:
>In article <1app07INN5dm@pacific.cs.ubc.ca> Scott Hazelhurst,
>shaze@cs.ubc.ca writes:
>
>Yet another battle with Gavin.
>
>My question: so the rest of the world is under-reporting evil by
>the ANC. Why isn't the IRR reporting all the human rights
>violations in kwaZulu? Or are all the reports about coercion
>to join Inkatha and general lack of free activity just more ANC
>propaganda? Please point me to the SAIRR study on this and I'll

Because, amigo, by the gospel according to mon. Gavan, there can't be
human rights violations in kwaZulu. Why, it is even blasphemous to even
think this way....

>read it with interest.
>--
>Philip Machanick
>Computer Science Dept, Univ of the Witwatersrand, 2050 Wits, South Africa
>philip@concave.cs.wits.ac.za  phone: 27 (11) 716-3759  fax: 339-7965

--
lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:40 PDT
Subject: Re: Houston raises 0,000 for Somalia
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700183:cdp:1471700184:000:237
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Oct 13 17:40:00 1992


I have no idea why, when I forward these posts, the number gets chopped
off the amount raised, so it always looks like 0 was raised.  Maybe it
piques interest, though, and people see the actual amount in the post.
Can support help here?
From: shemlon@occlusal.rutgers.edu (Shiyghan Shemlon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: CAMEROON ELECTION RESULTS, ANY WORD YET?????
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:23:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I heard Ni John Fru Di was the exit poll winner. Any Confirmation
Yet????
From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Human Rights Commission 1
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:10:16 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cs.ubc.ca

gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst) writes:
>: What I still don't understand is why someone who is so clever and who
>: has all the primary information originally posted quotes from
>: Jeffery which gave neither a fair summary of her report or
>: the HRC. I suppose it was to be scrupulously fair, but I am
>: afraid I don't get the subtlety of the point.
>Graciously I will repeat myself: I didn't post Jeffery quotes, I posted
>info on HRC reporting of violence, using an example made famous by Jeffery.
>Read it again, slowly, and look for the letters q u o t e. Alternatively
>the symbols ` ". 


Graciously I will rephrase my question/problem

What I still don't understand is why someone who is so clever and who
has all the primary information originally posted information on
the HRC which gave neither a fair summary of the Jeffery report or
the HRC. I suppose it was to be scrupulously fair, but I am
afraid I don't get the subtlety of the point.


>More will follow, drawn from lots of sources I've
>gathered together in my very own Institute's research programme. Jeffery
>is part of this.

And another question: will the same thing happen with all the threatened
postings ? 

Gavan, please remember that some of us, well me
anyway, are quite dense so if you could explain how presenting
the HRC in the worst possible way is scrupulously fair I would
really appreciate that.

>You were not my inspiration, but you can be if you'd like that. Let me know.

Well at least that's one sin I don't have to account for.