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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate <- (ha!)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:57:52 GMT
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cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>
>>[virtual screens]
>>
>>OS/2 can do this with display drivers.
>
>Can the hardware provide the facilities for instantaneous
>screen swapping though?
>

Yes.  A typical 1MB VGA can store 6 screens of 640x480x4 graphics.  Switching
is instantaneous, via a "display start address" register.

>
>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:15:12 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <N7yTqB8w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>A reply to mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas):
>
>> Or for reasons of national security.  Corporate America is why this country
>> is as prosperous as it is.  Now liberals like you have screwed that up,
>> by your constant bashing and funneling money to non-productive causes.
>
>Like children and education, that's non-productive...

No, children and education are 2 very productive areas.

I'm talking about welfare, National Endowment for the Pornograph...er, I
mean, Arts, hysteria over the environment, etc.

>
>> It was the USSR that militarily took over small countries.  We don't do that.
>> We only become involved when it's an issue of national security, and
>> we always give the country back.  You're really confused with these
>> issues.
>
>No you just throw over a democratic goverment with military force and
>replace it with military dictatorship. And what's "national security" seems
>often to be the same thing as US companies can't make enough profit in that
>country...

Huh?  WHAT democratic government did we overthrow and replace it with
a military dictatorship?

>
>I'm proud to be non-american!

Yeah, I'm pretty happy about you're not being an American, too!

>
>---
>Only beer makes it possible in a mental hangover...

I kinda figured...
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:35:30 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <TysmqB4w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>> It is curious, though, that Werlitzer's doesn't advertise their name under
>> the computer dealers section in the yellow pages.
>
>It makes sense to me.  The only software they carry is music software.  Why
>advertise to people who want DTP, word processing, etc?
>
>> So while they are probably known to people who read music industry rags,
>> they are not going to get the Atari Falcon into the hands of the little
>> guy, who just wants to buy a computer without the hassle of braving the
>> mind-blowing traffic of Boston.
>
>That, sadly, is probably true.  But the vast majority of Falcon interest is
>likely to come from musicians, so they might as well just hang out in their
>little niche.  Realistically, the Falcon isn't going to bump out the PC for
>anyone's choice of Basic Home Computer.

Realistically, neither is the Amiga, so what's you're point?

Steve
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga World published by IDG
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:49:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>I just got the new AW and am expecting to hear all new flames on it,
>so feel free (now that you have my permission)
>
>Why is Doug Barney's face in this issue above the editorial?  Didn't
>somebody say that he moved?

Because in the mass-market magazine biz, when you get a "new" issue
yer reading stuff that was, for the most part, written from two to
four months ago. The Oct. '92 Amiga World was Barney's last as 
Editor in Chief. He's gone off to Info World. 

Regards, Harv
(occasional features/review freelance writer for Amiga World)
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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:21:04 GMT

In article <3735@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>   Arguing the technical merits of IDE is one thing, but the economical
> advantages still can't be denied, it's cheaper, both on the motherboard and
> for the user since the drives themselves are so widely avaialable.

Negligably. If you celebrate buying a new computer with a steak dinner
at a moderately good restaurant you've wiped out the price advantage, and
there are plenty of sources of SCSI drives since it's standard on the Mac
and on *all* workstations and serious UNIX PCs.

> Also, how
> many people are going to need more than two drives?

Anyone planning on keeping their computer more than a couple of years.
Plus, SCSI can control tapes as well. I've investigated the various
floppy-tape kludges, and I'm not trusting my data to them.

>   And, if a SCSI-2 controller card gets into the mix, it solves the problem of
> power users without penalizing those that have no need for such a high-end
> controller.

SCSI isn't "high end". It's "minimal acceptible". It's as much a requirement
for me as multitasking, and most Amiga buyers are likely to have the same
opinion or they wouldn't be buying Amigas... they'd be getting least common
denominator PC-clones. Putting IDE in the 4000 (what is someone who's not a
power user doing with a 4000 anyway?) is going to REALLY hurt sales. I'd take
a 3000 with SCSI over a 4000 with IDE myself.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
  'U`
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lynx (was Re: More Jeff Young Rambings)
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:40:31 GMT
 <34963@cbm
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.064855.13642@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried.Krueger) writes:
>andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>It was definitely the Al and Bob show.  Shiraz was doing other things
>>back then.  He was more involved in the 'high end' machines.
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>C16, Plus4 ??? =8-)
>
>>			andy
>
>winnie.


Well, he originally did calculators at Commodore.  When he ran
engineering for awhile (after Charlie Winterble) the big projects were the
P-Machine and B-Machine (intended successors to the C64 and PET/CBM 
computers), as well as the start of the Z8000 project.

The Plus/4 was later.

			andy
-- 
andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com

"OS/2 is the operating system for the next thousand great applications." -
 one of the things Bill Gates probably wishes he hadn't said.


Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:06:40 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:

: the next chipsets will be faster.  I personally use a program called CpuBlit.
: It uses the 030 or 040 for blitting.  The old blitter is about the same speed
: as a 68000 (flat out), an accelerated amiga wipes it out.  CpuBlit uses the

This is not the full truth - blitter is faster than 68000 in just
about all cases and quite equal (depends on case) to 68030. Also
CpuBlit does not fully replace blitter, but it only replaces some
(one?) very simple blitting routines.

--
Jarkko Lindblad
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
From: mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Questions for people attending WOC
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:37:07 GMT
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix

In article <13764.2ab0ec2b@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <2AB110B1.21230@news.service.uci.edu>, rcaslis@anansi.acs.uci.edu (Russell Caslis) writes:
>
>I append my request:
>
>  5) Any new about CDTV mark 2 (or whatever could be the name) ?
>     Is it real or rumour ? Any info about CDTV much appreciated because
>     it's too long I wish I had it but I'm delaying to buy it waiting for
>     the rumoured upgrade.
>
>
>Thanks !  
>  
>  Stefano Tine'

At Jim Dionne's talk on Friday (something you will probably be hearing
a lot about) he made the following quote :

The "new CDTV answers every wish list you could ever want on a CDTV, we
just don't have a release date".

Combine this with further quotes :

"[Commodore] is committed to providing full motion video on all products"

and...

the statement he made regarding work with the MPEG chipset internally
and one's imagination can really take off...

mike

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Subject: Re: Questions for people attending WOC
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In article <13764.2ab0ec2b@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <2AB110B1.21230@news.service.uci.edu>, rcaslis@anansi.acs.uci.edu (Russell Caslis) writes:
>
>I append my request:
>
>  5) Any new about CDTV mark 2 (or whatever could be the name) ?
>     Is it real or rumour ? Any info about CDTV much appreciated because
>     it's too long I wish I had it but I'm delaying to buy it waiting for
>     the rumoured upgrade.
>
>
>Thanks !  
>  
>  Stefano Tine'

At Jim Dionne's talk on Friday (something you will probably be hearing
a lot about) he made the following quote :

The "new CDTV answers every wish list you could ever want on a CDTV, we
just don't have a release date".

Combine this with further quotes :

"[Commodore] is committed to providing full motion video on all products"

and...

the statement he made regarding work with the MPEG chipset internally
and one's imagination can really take off...

mike

-- 
"There is no problem too big that can't be solved with high explosives"-Rush

Mike Smithwick - ames!zorch!mike
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:14:19 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I seem to have missed the original posts and would be grateful if
someone could mail them to me.

	thanks, Mark


-- 
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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: Amiga World published by IDG
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:03:44 GMT

In article <65636@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>when you get a "new" issue
>yer reading stuff that was, for the most part, written from two to
>four months ago.

Is it just me, or does the US mags have much longer lead(?) time than their
euro brothers.

>Regards, Harv
>(occasional features/review freelance writer for Amiga World)


Don't you write for other mags? Sadly Amiga World is the only US mag seen
in Norway. I'd like to have some of the German mags too...
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From: JLKARAU@MTUS5.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV Ads
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:33:05 GMT
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.

Also, for all the people saying CDTV is dead....There is a store in the MEGAMAL
L of America which features Interactive CD players.  CDTV is one of those and C
ommdore had its own sales guy there for atleast the first couple weeks...

Of course CDI and phillips representative was also there.

JLK
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:16:46 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <18ccmaINN53p@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:
>WHAT?!?!  Interlacing reduces flicker?  That's a new one to me.  My under-
>standing is that when the display is interlaced, every other scan line is
>drawn in one vertical refesh cycle, the other half scan lines are drawn in
>the next refresh cycle.  So an interlaced display at 80 Hz is actually
>equal to a non-interlaced display at 40 Hz.  How do you explain that inter-
>lacing reduces flicker?

An interlaced display with 80Hz field rate (40Hz frame rate) is in fact
better than a 40Hz noninterlaced display. The flickering comes from the
fact that the light intensity coming from the screen decays and then is
suddenly refreshed. The 80Hz interlaced screen will produce this insensity
changes at twice the rate thus reducing flicker. The fact that only the
odd or even lines are refreshed of course compensates part of that effect.
A 80Hz interlaced display thus appears about as stable as a 60-70Hz
noninterlaced display.


>No I've never seen a non-interlaced 25 or 30 Hz display, but I have seen a
>60 Hz non-interlace display and a 60 Hz interlaced display (both at 800x
>600), the answer is obvious to me.

No. You have seen a 60Hz noninterlaced display and a 30Hz interlaced display.
And that was obvious (I'm always talking about _frame_ rates).

>Explain how the flicker-fixer works.  Something about doubling the vertical
>scan rate on all video outputs?

Yep, the flicker-fixer produces a 60Hz non-interlaced display from a 30Hz
interlaced one.

Regards,
-- 
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From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:02:25 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:

>In article <1992Sep13.001854.21763@cco.caltech.edu> andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>This is just like SG systems.  In fact the whole post sounded
>like the SG Crimson manual I have :-)

	Hee, hee, not when you have a Crimson Elan right in
front of you, it doesn't :).

>>I asked Havemose
>>about resource tracking, and he said, "Not in the next
>>version", meaning 4.0, but he said it will be in later.
>>I'm somewhat surprised at this and I hope I heard wrong.

>Wouldn't 3.1 be the next release though?

	I don't think so because when he said, "next release",
I said, "3.0?"  and he said, no, "4.0."

>>As to how far along these things are, Eggebrecht
>>says they're close to working silicon, but would not
>>give any dates at all.  

>I find it hard to believe this incredible break from
>the Amiga architecture is almost in working silicon
>when it has taken so long for the AGA chipset (C=
>probably changed the name to get back at all the 
>people on the net :-) ).

	This is true, but Eggebrecht said that their
improved VLSI design processes are helping them bring
products to the market faster than before.

>>--Andre
>>(who isn't making any of this up, really)

>Are you sure :-)  It's harder to believe than any of the Amiga X000 
>fake posts.

	Well, I'm glad to say no, this was all said.  Besides
who could dream up of stuff like this?  There were firecode-
breaking numbers of people in the room and they all heard
the same speech (I hope :).

--Andre

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:44:50 GMT

Wow! You are a TRIP, Jerry Kuch!!! Woo ho hoo!  :-) :-)

And wrt resolutions, it IS irrelevant about the 'squareness' of
VGA pixels; as I 'condescendingly' pointed out to you, they could be
fifty times taller than they are wide for all anybody could care, they're 
STILL too tiny to notice 'blockness'.

I do agree that the MCGA resolution _can_ get blocky - hopefully the
animation speed will make up for that - but we were talking about
VGA pixels, not CGA pixels.

Oh, and be careful not to get your tongue stuck in elevator doors
Wheeeeeeeeee!

-- 
Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: good job commodore!
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:03:49 EST


 The news is spreading that the A4000 has been officialy announced.
 
 The specs I've read so far are.
 
 25 mhz 68040
 AGA Custom Chipset
 2 Megs Chip
 2 Megs Fast
 4 Zorro III slots
 Workbench 3.0
 Postscript Drive in OS 3.0
 
 Suggested Retail Price of $3699.99
 
I was suprised to see the $3699.99 SRP! I couldn't believe it when I say it
who would of thought that the price would have been lower then the model
number as everyone joked!
 
 I am impressed with what Commodore has done! They have released a fast machine
with an enhanced custom chipset capable of displaying 265,000 colours at once
time from a 24 bit pallete. They have finally announced the 1.76 HD floppy and
managed to release all this at a cheaper SRP then the A3000s initial SRP!
 
 And it's still compatible with native Amiga modes!
 
 Commodore seems to be getting better and better every year! When the low SRP
of the A4000, The Amiga 3000 is sure to drop in price. It looks like Commodore
won't have to release an Amiga 800 or 1200 computer after all. Add the AGA 
chipset to an Amiga 3000, sell it for $1999 and you got a killer Amiga!
 
 
 So can anyone confirm when and if the AGA chipset will be made available for
the Amiga 3000, and if they will work in the A500/600/2000 computers. My Amiga
3000 is itching for some new chips and my VISA card is clear and ready for
take off!

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@lib102.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Questions for people attending WOC
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:28:27 GMT

|> >So, if the A4000 isn't FINISHED yet, why didn't Commodore wait 9 months, get it
|> >__DONE__, and release it at the WOC New York next summer? 
|> >
|> >**SH_T**
|> >
|> 
|> 	You kidding, right?  Sure, it would have been great if Commodore
|> had released the A4000 with SCSI and 16-bit DSP all at one time.  However
|> I feel that Commodore made a wise decison to release the A4000 now even
|> if this might not be the final version. For the past year or so things 
|> were looking pretty grim for Commodore since they were being surpassed
|> by other platforms in areas it used to be king of the hill in, most
|> notably the video department.  It was kinda embarressing to claim an amiga
|> as a high-end graphics micro without the capability to display a hires 256
|> color screen right out the box.   

Well, see my previous message. Especially the part about letting us see the 
developments without RELEASING anything...

|> 	If we had to wait nine more months to see something out of 
|> Commodore, I'm sure many of us would decide to jump ship.  As it stands
|> now, my hope for Commodore has been renewed since now I know that they
|> have been actually developing something all along and are developing
|> greater things for the future.  Plus, not everyone necessarily needs or
|> wants a SCSI interface or a DSP.  Why not let the people who want the 
|> current A4000 buy it like it is now and you buy the improved version nine
|> months later?  Nothing wrong with earning some extra money for R&D and 
|> building up the AGA user base at the same time.  Heck, if the A4000 w/
|> SCSI and DSP was released nine months later, I'm sure there would be people
|> wondering why C= didn't release the AGA chipset nine months earlier.
|> 	Lighten up. Better things are yet to come...

Yeah, and in 9 months when te A4500 comes out with all this new sh*t, we're gonna
hear a LOT of whining from EVERY A4000 owner that their 9-month-old machine has
been "dropped". You have to drop old technology someday (in my opinion, every
A1000-A3000 owner should shut up and get a new machine...) but 9 months is a
little too soon!

|> Joseph
|> hcheng@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu

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