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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:58:34 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <34180@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.034128.7073@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> >	What CBM should have done about the A570 is make it an external drive
> >that plugs into any Amiga external SCSI port.
>
> It wouldn't work on most of the A500s out there without additional expense,
> then.  Also, its slightly tricky to put a rom for the 256K of the CDTV OS
> on a SCSI port.
>

This just illustrates the stupidity of doing CDTV in the first place.  256K
of CDTV OS could be a ROM upgrade as OS 2.04 was.  Or disk-loaded .libraries
for machines that have the memory.  And ALL amigas could have made use of
CD ROM instead of NONE.

> >      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 516-473-5156 AMIGA  DDD-MEN
>
>
> 		andy
> --
> andy finkel		{uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy
>
> "A new release is where old bad assumptions are replaced by new
>  bad assumptions."
>
> Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
> I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
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From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:54:12 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <34180@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.034128.7073@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> >	What CBM should have done about the A570 is make it an external drive
> >that plugs into any Amiga external SCSI port.
> 
> It wouldn't work on most of the A500s out there without additional expense,
> then.  Also, its slightly tricky to put a rom for the 256K of the CDTV OS
> on a SCSI port.

But couldn't this have been done by providing some Kickstart disk alike
sort of thing?


> -- 
> andy finkel

-- 
     Jesper Kehlet, Compos Mentis Software Systems -- A Kind Of Magic

        (uunet|pyramid|rutgers)!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet
             cbmehq!cbmden!kehlet!kehlet@cbmvax.commodore.com

  Since I am the president of this company, I speak not only for myself!
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From: bryand@cascade.ens.tek.com (Bryan Duff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Words in mouth/foot in mouth?(was CDTV is dead).
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:05:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

[much discussion of policy deleted]
>>
>>Couple of days back someone from Commodore (I don't remember the name)
>>wrote that they are actually rewriting AmigaVision. It wasn't a big
>>announcement or anything like that, she/he was just replying to
>>someones question.
MB>
MB>   OK, so what are the planned features for this major rewrite?  And how long
MB>do the people working on it think it will take to develop this rewrite?


Although I don't normally respond to much in this arena, I had to say something
now.  Marc, noone said it was a major rewrite.  All that anyone said was that
C= was doing a rewrite, might not even be major.  It's like your really trying
to keep providing yourself with excuses for the future.  When C= releases the
newest version of AmigaVision you want to be able to go back and say "This was
supposed to be a major release and look how little it changed!"  The only
feature of this next release that has been officially announced is a
standalone player.  Nothing else has been said.
I am trying to keep this out of the flame range, but I think a couple drops
of gasoline seeped out.  I for one don't mind reading your posts, I find
them rather amusing, but don't start changing the meaning of other
peoples posts.


Exit stage left
--
Bryan Duff
Network Engineer
Network Systems Corp.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:38:29 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: philip@utstat.uucp's message of Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:20:28 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:20:28 GMT, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) said:
> Apart from saying that I really hope Atari pulls this off (if only to keep
> everyone else honest), I must really object to this kind of personal attack
> on someone's language skills. This is,in case you don't know, an international
> forum (which means not only America) and many people don't have your 
> obvious shakespearean talents.

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) is a pretty American looking address.
I think he's kind of fun - not as subtle as BLAZEMONGER, but he has a certain
naive charm. Then again this site (sdl.mdcbbs.com) isn't American, in spite of
the .com address.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Falcon, but think the steady drop in PC
prices is far more likely to kill off the Amiga in the long run if anything
does. I'm still glad I got mine not a PC though.

--
Alan Braggins, Shape Data (A Division of EDS Ltd), Cambridge, UK +44-223-316673
   "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
 "My employer does not necessarily share my views - but I'm working on it."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Amiga file system
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 11:39:07 GMT

In article <mykes.0ckk@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>I was referring to how long it takes a file requester to examine the
>directory and display all the filenames.  Overall disk performance
>is not something that I measured, nor wrote about

Yes; but version 39 will improve the speed of directories dramatically.

>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Crime Re: Perot ?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:21:34 GMT


Ezra,

It's a simple thing caled 'deterrance'.  If a person think they'll get
severely punished for doing something nasty, they'll think twice about
doing it.

That is the essence of what Mike Haas was speaking.  Right, Mike?
--
Dan Stephenson das9674@usl.edu 
"Is it that Blake has a genius for leadership, or merely that *you* have a 
 genius for being led?" -Avon, from Blakes 7                           
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Len Stys <-> Jeff Young? The same person? Secret lovers?
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:29:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug11.143048.4819@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>I didn't e-mail you anything.  If I did, I meant to post it.
>
>I think YOU should do more growing up while I find out how to get
>your access removed.

I should let folks know that I already apologized to Len
for my unwaranted slam on him several days before I recieved this
post at my site. I was in a bad mood and just felt like cheering
Skip on. I got out of hand. Sorry about that. That's what
using/testing/hacking Windows all day will do a person. :)

Also if you are going to try and get someones access stripped
just because they offended you, you are definitly in the
wrong newgroup. If you want informed discussion and debate go
to CSA.MISC. If you want unwaranted flamage and atomic human
barbeques, then C.S.A.ADVOCACY is the place to be.

Finally, Jeff Youg is just pissing people off. His posts
are often mis-informed or just plain obnoxious. Why does he
post here? We Amiga users could  care less about the Atari Falcon.
I'm not in the atari groups raving about the AA chips and how they
will crush everybody and be fastest video chips in world.

Ian.
-- 
/* IanK@Microsoft.com		*/
/* I want my 32bit chip set	*/

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From: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:28:09 GMT
Reply-To: campbell@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Campbell - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Aug17.063021.8871@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>For all I know, Commodore has already decided to kill AmigaVision, and
>has been attempting to do so as quietly as possible, so that nobody catches
>on to what they are doing.

Nothing could be further from the truth.  A great deal of R&D dollars continues
to be spent on AmigaVision, as we try to incorporate the changes that users
have requested.  (Please note: we do listen to our users.)  Right now there
are quite a few beta testers all over the world who are testing our rewritten
version of AmigaVision so that it meets the needs of real users.
 
>...If Commodore were to say "Yes, AmigaVision is still
>very much alive, and were are in the middle of a rewrite.  Here are some
>features we will try to put in:  ...", then this would show me that I am not
>correct in my assumption that AmigaVision is already dead.

We have stated this many times on the net, at shows, and elsewhere.  I can
tell you factually that we ARE working on a new release.  However, I still
don't think it makes sense to create vaporware.  I have asked the net many
times for suggestions, and gotten a lot of great ideas.  We have often stated
that we are working on various features.  To go into detail about an as yet
unreleased product gives little real value to the audience.

>Indeed, I think Commodore has not been showing any of their long-term plans for
>many of their product because they do not have any long-term plans for the
>products.

Although I strongly disagree, I can understand your point of view.  Commodore
could do a better job of explaining the long range plan, and has tried to do
that lately through some of our advertising and recent press releases.  I am
not sure this is the right forum for distributing long range plans.

However, I find the manner that you choose to express your views (extremism,
half truths, inflamatory choice of words, etc...) to be very
counter-productive.  I would suggest ways to channel your energies more
positively, but it appears those ideas would not be of interest to you.


>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

John F. Campbell
Director, Commodore Applications and Technical Support (CATS)
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:16:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <64142@cup.portal.com> <mykes.0cps@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG>

Just to put things straight, when I said something to the
effect of "the budget deficit will disappear in 2 years",
I have to plead a classic case of "misquoting".

The full quote was:

"if you held spending increases to zero, the budget deficit would
disappear in about 2 years".

I say that with the knowledge that it is a political impossibility
of this happening.

Everyone is entitled to a "cut" of what I (we) make, you see. No
matter that I've earned it myself. No matter that my family
refused to take any financial aid out of principal (to some
people "relief" and "government handouts" are to be avoided at
any cost).

And no, we were not wealthy, far from it. Very far from{ it.u|
From: bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:43:22 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <3576@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>
>>I feel that I have a "right" to evaluate the software before buying it.
>
>  Actually, more and more dealers are becoming much more lax in their return
>policy for application software these days, games still remain an exchange-only
>situation, and it should remain so.  Game evalaution can be accomplished in the
>store, so there's little reason to return it unless the copy is bad.  You can't
>be so sure of an application though.
>

How is game evaluation in the store any easier than word processor
evaluation?  The picture on the box isn't any more descriptive on
games...  The user interface isn't usually even alluded to on game
boxes...  Hell, sometimes you can't even tell if the game is arcade or
adventure!

bill
-- 
 *         Bill Cavanaugh       bleys@tronsbox.xei.com          *
 *                                                              *
     "That whole thing about the 'child within' I've always
      felt to be kinda stunted in a way."
                           Tim Burton (speaking to Bob Costas)
XY + XX = :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:30:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.105449.22906@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au
(Colin Adams) writes:

>My guesses :
>
>- They'll be white because the 3000 was white.
>- The floppies will be mounted vertically to keep size down

Any wagers on sound capabilities?

>As an aside, do we know for CERTAIN that the 040 3000T still has the
>ECS chipset?  Does the C= ad mention anything in that regard?

Nope.

Mark

-- 
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
 = Mark Rickan                         ...!uunet!utai!utgpu!maccs!rickan = 
 = DCSS, McMaster University               rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca = 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Sofware Piracy & Software Prices
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:25:51 CDT

In article <1992Aug16.043536.24234@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.180205.1@acad2.alaska.edu> astlc@acad2.alaska.edu (Tom Claydon) writes:

[says there's no priacy on video consoles]

>	You're wrong.  In fact, I'd venture to guess there are far more
>console pirates than Amiga pirates, much larger installed base (if you
>lump all the consoles into one group), though the Amiga probably has more
>pirates by percentage.  External Disk drives for consoles are becoming
>increasingly popular in the USA and Canada, they have been in the Asian
>countries for years. 

George,

Yes, technically you're no doubt right.  But the pirating percentage really
is what matter from a software company's point of view, right?

Although I haven't felt that it's OK to pirate software for a long time (mid-
high school), I do still look at software that other people have bought --
there are so many places that have a damned no-returns policy on software,
I feel that I have a "right" to evaluate the software before buying it.
So yes, techincally I'm a pirate.  :-P :-)  There's some Amiga cracking group
out there that has a motto, "A program worth using is a program worth buying."
I whole heartedly support their efforts as well as their motto.

I'm considering looking into game console copiers for the same reason -- game
evaluation before purchase.  At $3/day to rent games, it may be a good
investment.

						---Joel Kolstad



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:47:54 GMT

In article <185@future.sbc.com> mk9629@future.UUCP (Mike R. Kraml) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.014759.3055@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>I beleive the full 50Mhz 486 runs a little over 40 MIPS, maybe 41-42.          
>
>   I kind of doubt it, the 486/50 dx2 which does run internally at 50MHZ
>   averages 9 MIPs on the C&T MIPS benchmark, which, I believe does a 
>   pretty good job with a general instruction, integer, memory to memory,
>   register to register, and register to memory instruction mix.  Granted
>   the straight 50 will do better on the memory access tests, however, 
>   its only a fraction of the equation.  Overall, you could probably 
>   expect around 10-12 MIPS (using a decent MIPS benchmark) on the 
>   50 MHZ 486 DX chip.  Sorry, couldn't resist.  Mike...

Perhaps 'your' MIP is different from 'my' MIP.  Oh well.  I found this 
information from a grad EE friend,..in the sense that his previous AtariST
ran at 1 MIP or so, the 486 ran correspondingly faster... but in the end the 
thing that matters is how well whatever 'MIPs' you have, you'd better run
your software and be happy with it.

--
*Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu 
*"It reminds me of something Cally said. 'He who trusts cannot be
*betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:26:13 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <l8j32qINNqqd@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
> In <1992Aug12.193043.14072@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> >Here we go again.  DIG.  Resource tracking.  A graphics system that supports
> >splines, paths, non-rectangular clipping, 2-D transformations, Adobe scalable
> >fonts, etc.
>
> This sounds like PostScript.

No, graphics.library x 3

>
> >Multithreading.  Named pipes.  Queues.
>
> Wasn't the request for features that weren't in AmigaDOS?
>

yes :)

> >Binary compatibility with DOS and Windows executables.
>
> Some might consider this to be a disadvantage. :-)

Good thing you put the smiley there.

>
> >Want more?
>
> Yeah.  How about a standard script language that developers could rely on
> being on all machines with OS/2?  The existing command line interface seems
> to be mostly a rehash of MS-DOS's.
>

OS/2 has Rexx built-in.  Satisfied?  There are a choice of shells to use,
just as on the Amiga.  AmigaShell is hardly the best shell available for
the OS, you know.

> Curiously, IBM recently put some IBM PS/2s in a lab here, but they did not
> include the new versions of the operating systems.  Go figure.
>

Where are the machines that CBM put in your lab? :)

> --Richard
>

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Machines as of September
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:38:19 GMT
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan

In article <ZNZcPB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> adrake@bluemoon.rn.com (Andy Drake) writes:
>Sorry to crush any A4000 rumors, but as of the September issue of 
>AmigaWorld, Commodore is now selling an '040 A3000T complete with monitor 
>for something like $5999.00 retail US.  On the otherhand, if the AA 
>machine actually do come out later this year, why bring out an ECS '040 
>machine? Hmmm, makes ya wonder.....
>
>
>                        -Andy

This is sad.  Well, at least I can start comparing 040 specs.
Anyways, isn't this something straight out of the Big Blue marketing
rule book?  That is, milk the consumer for all their worth, giving
them one small piece at a time.  This strategy was the mainstay of
IBM marketing for years (but it also may have caused their recent
drop in popularity)


Dennis Gorrie                           gorriede@max.cc.uregina.ca
gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca           gorrie@meena.cc.uregina.ca
         "I used to be apathetic, but now I don't care..."
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:12:00 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

Sorry, Dan, I agree with you on most political things... :)

In article <1992Aug17.050331.15975@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> DO you want to prevent crime or NOT?  Don't pussyfoot around with criminals-
> they'll never learn.  If the US had a 95% conviction rate and a prison
> system that treated people like dogs, the crime rate would PLUMMET.  By
> the way - tha is a GOOD thing.  If there was a mandatory death sentence
> for planned murder (execution within a week of failed first appeal), the
> murder rate would plummet.  Good grief, that is what I mean if I ask 'what do
> you propose?' - I mean that you complain about crime, but holler when people
> like me calmly point out just _what_ measures would need to be taken.
>

The reality of the situation is that the constitution demands that the accused get
due process (execution within a week of failed first appeal).  It also ensures
that cruel and unusual punishment (treated like dogs) is illegal.  I would also
point out that the death penalty has never proven to be a deterrent.  However,
I do favor it - after the 10 years of due process that we now have has taken its
course.  The 95% convicion rate would only be good if those convicted were truely
guilty...

> ObAdvocacy:  The Amiga 500 - the Amiga of the people.

ObAdvocacy: the 386sx, the CPU of the people :)

>
> >eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.
>
>
> --
> *Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu
> *"It reminds me of something Cally said. 'He who trusts cannot be
> *betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
> *dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy