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From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Linear A
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:56:42 +0200
Keywords: Minoan Linear A
Organization: University of Cape Town

Could someone enlighten me on whether Minoan Linear A has been deciphered.
What about Minoan "hieroglyphs". If they haven't been deciphered, is anyone
working on it?
 
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Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: hlin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (hua.t.lin)
Subject: Re: The Indus Tradition and the Indo-Aryans
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:51:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.222416.24103@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>	But since the Aryans were very horse-dependent, it would be
>interesting to see how many horses have been found at Harappan sites.

Interesting. If horse is the central clue to where the Aryans came from.
It would put their homeland in central Asia. After all, central asia has
been the breeding ground for horse riding invaders moving south and
west several thousands years later. But then there should be evidence of
the invaders coming south into China as the later invaders. I think the
Aryan home land are further west than southern Russia. Does anyone
know where the horses are breed 7000 years? (or whenever the great Aryan
dispersion took place)
From: operator@c1.nkw.ac.uk (Operator)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Archaeological Geophysics - call for papers
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:46:59 GMT
Organization: Natural Environment Research Council

+--------------------------------------------------------------+
!         Environmental and Industrial Geophysics Group        !
!            of the Joint Association for Geophysics           !
!                                                              !
!                        CALL FOR PAPERS                       !
!                        ===============                       !
!                                                              !
!                   Archaeological geophysics                  !
!                                                              !
!    Geological Society Apartments, Burlington House, London   !
!                                                              !
!                      15th December 1992                      !
+--------------------------------------------------------------+

Contributions  are  invited  for the  above  one-day  discussion
meeting.   It  is hoped that the programme will  contain  papers
which  in  include  examples  of a  wide  range  of  geophysical
techniques  applied to a variety of archaeological  sites  where
later  archaeological investigations/excavations have been  used
to assess the ground truth of the initial surveys.

Final  date for the submission of abstracts (maximum 100  words)
is *30th September 1992*. It is anticipated that the proceedings
of  this  meeting will be published.  Completed  manuscripts  of
accepted papers should be submitted by *30th November 1992*.

Limited  space  is available  for  commercial  exhibits/research
displays related to the conference topic by prior arrangement.

No  pre-registration  is required for this meeting.  Members  of
J.A.G. - attendance is free; Full-time students, 5 pounds  (UK);
all  others 10 pounds (UK); payable on the door. Meeting  starts
at 10 am and ends at 4.30 pm.

For further information, please contact:

    Mrs Jenny Allsop, Geoarchaeological Coordinator,
    British Geological Survey, Keyworth, Nottingham NG12 5GG.
    Tel: 0602-363280 (direct dial); Fax: 0602-363200.

    Or Email to:

    K_KG@UK.AC.NERC-KEYWORTH.VAXA
From: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: The Indus Tradition and the Indo-Aryans
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:49:33 GMT
	<i762402@pro-nbs.acme.fred.org>
Organization: Applications Software II, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: dkarma@pro-nbs.acme.fred.org's message of 8 Sep 92 03:42:47 GMT

In article <i762402@pro-nbs.acme.fred.org> dkarma@pro-nbs.acme.fred.org (Druta Karma) writes:

   giving students information that the Aryan invasion idea propagated for so
   long by European Indologists (and their Indian followers) is not very well
   supported by evidence and that the best hypothesis is that the Aryan Vedic
   culture is indigenous to India.

There is also an article relating to the Aryan invasion myth in the fall
issue of the Theosophical Society's "The Quest" magazine.  In part of
the argument, the discovery of the dry river bed by LandSat and the
dating of the river is compared to Vedic comments from the early period
where the river is mentioned, and those from later days where it is
never mentioned.  They ask why invaders would bother to write so much
about a river that was dry centuries before their arrival, and then
suddenly stop including the same river in 'sequel' writings.


--
Gary Lawrence Murphy - Gary.Murphy@software.mitel.COM - (613) 592-2122 x3709
                     Where do purposes come from?
From: woody@knapper.cactus.org (Woody Baker)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: oil lamps
Date: 9 Sep 1992 08:49:22 -0500
Organization: Aurora Contracting
Reply-To: "Woody Baker" <woody@knapper.cactus.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I have had occasion to examine a couple of old (2000 -3000) year old
middle east oil lamps.  The oldest one, is a shallow dish, with a pinched
side for the wick.  The newer one, is a two part egg shaped lamp, with
simple curly line decorations on the top.  I have been experimenting with
makeing similar lamps, and have made several using press molds.  However,
when I went to the library to look up old lamps, I have not been able to
find any good pictures of egg shaped oil lamps.  I have run across a book
full of decorated Jewish oil lamps, but these are diskshaped, with a rather
flaring spout on one side.  They are not at all egg shaped.  Can some one
point me to some good books with pictures (preferably top AND sideviews)
rather than just top views, of lamps in this age range?  It appears that
the Jewish lamps common in roman times, were copies of Roman lamps (which
were discoidal lamps).  These things are a ball to make and use, and while
I'm not trying to counterfeit them, I am making similar lamps.  Of course
I am using Plaster molds rather than carved limestone/sandstone molds, but
the technique of press molding the two halves with clay, and then joining them
(in the mold) works well.

Addtionaly, I have discovered that micas differ in thier reaction to
heat.  Certain ones turn bronze/gold and others stay clear.  Does anyone
have an explaination for this?

Cheers
Woody
-- 
Woody Baker Postscript consultant/Flint knapper  512-837-8317 (Austin, Tx)

"If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" ---> go ahead, ask me...

woody@knapper.cactus.org
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From: wagener@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Pamela Pincha-Wagener)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: oil lamps
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:00:36 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

woody@knapper.cactus.org (Woody Baker) writes:

>Addtionaly, I have discovered that micas differ in thier reaction to
>heat.  Certain ones turn bronze/gold and others stay clear.  Does anyone
>have an explaination for this?

Mica is the name for a mineral group of phyllosilicates with
sheet -like structures.  The minerals in this group
are Biotite (black mica), Muscovite (clear mica), lepidolite,
paragonite, phlogopite, and roscoelite.

The differences are in the amount of trace elements contained
\in the mica's make-up.

The general chem formula is:
(K,Na,Ca)(Mg, Fe, Li,Al)2-3 (Al,Si)4 O10 (Oh, F)2

The above mineral have variations  such as:
Biotite  K(Mg,Fe2) - potassium, magnesium, and iron ( that's why
                        it's black to brown in color.)

Muscovite KAl2  -potassium and aluminum, basically few trace minerals
                        hence its clear color

Lepidolite K(Mg, Li, Al)3 - potassium, magnesium,lithium, and aluminum
                        this variety is kind of pinkish - blame the
                        lithium for this shade

paragonite NaAl2 - sodium and aluminum

phlogopite K(Mg,Fe")3 - potassium, magnesium, and iron

roscoelite  K(V, Al, Mg)3       -potassium, vanadium, aluminum, and magnesium

This means that each of these will react differently to heating.
If you really want to identify which one is which,
a good minerology text should give the color result for some
heat tests (bead tests).

I hope this helps.

Pam Pincha-Wagener
wagener@bcstec.boeing.com
From: zonker@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (thomas.m.harris)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Linear A
Keywords: Minoan Linear A
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:37:52 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep14.175642.202790@uctvax.uct.ac.za> naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>Could someone enlighten me on whether Minoan Linear A has been deciphered.
Linear A is the script invented by the Minoan culture on
Crete. It was probably an idea stolen from the middle east where
the Minoans traded (it is similar in form to ones used there).
The script was sylable based (like Chinese and Japanese).  The
script was later copied by the Mycenean Greeks i.e. the
difference between Linear A and B is the language used not the
characters used.  The side effect of this is that we can read
Linear A (more or less) since we have deciphered Linear B (and
know that it is based on the ancestral Greek language).  So when you
read a word in Linear B you can usually find the modern Greek
equivelent.  This is not as easy as it sounds since the syllable
structure of Greek did not match the Minoan exactly and the
scribes picked the closest one.  This was one of the reasons the 
Linear B scribes often drew pictures of the object next to the
numbers (which also helps decipher the language). However for
Linear A the problem is that the Minoan languge has no known decendents
so the word structure that allows us to decipher Linear B is missing.
Kind of like getting a message in another language without a
dictionary.  I believe that there has been some deciphering of
Linear A even so, but mostly this is attached to place names and
numbers. The other problem is that there are not very many Linear
A tablets.  Also both scripts appear to have been used solely for
accounting purposes rather than to record spoken language and so
are very dry.

						Tom Harris
From: rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Request for help: data capture
Keywords: data capture, PC
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:25:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep4.212550.22379
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

A Mac is too much baggage!??!?!  Since when?  My powerbook is smaller than
most brain dead MS-Dos laptops!  A Powerbook with FoxPro would be an ideal
platform on which to write a data collection program.  FoxPro programs are
Dbase III compatable, so you can share the dat with those less fortunate (ie,
those with MS-Dos machines).
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: louns@cs.washington.edu (Michael Lounsbery)
Subject: Re: Roman Swords
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.184701.1@scivax.stsci.edu> gelwasser@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>Can anyone tell me if there are any well preserved examples of Roman
>short swords (the Gladus) on display any where.
>Thanks,
>Perry 

I'm not sure what you mean by "well preserved," but I have seen one or two
very rusty ones with LOTS of holes and corrosion in the Musee de l'Armee in
Paris. About what you'd expect after lying in swampy French soil for a few
thousand years, but definitely recognizable.  You can probably expect to
find one in almost any military museum in a European capital.

In particular, although I don't recall exactly, I would shocked if there
weren't one in the enormous Museo della Civilta Romana in the EUR in Rome.
Major portions of it were closed when I visited there in 1990 (not unusual
for Italian museums), but I think this museum was largely outfitted during
the Fascist era. If so, you can bet on Roman military articles having a
strong showing.

P.S. I think you mean "gladius"?

Regards,

Michael Lounsbery
louns@cs.washington.edu
From: scls_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: FIRST FISHNETS AND SINKERS IN EASTERN N. AMERICA
Date: 5 Sep 92 20:49:20 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep3.215349.7316@ac.dal.ca> medusa@ac.dal.ca writes:

>I have recently come across an account by a late fourteenth century
>fisherman from the Shetland or Orkney Islands about his travels in
>the "new world".  He claims that he and some other fishermen were
>washed ashore in an as yet undiscovered land (N. America?) and
>held hostage for many, many years by natives.  He said the principle
>reason for them being kept captive by numerous chiefs was their
>knowledge about making and using large fishing nets of the type 
>that were then used by Shetland/Orkney fisherman and were unknowmn
>among the people who held them captive.  Each time these fishermen
>were kidnapped from one tribe to another they were forced to show
>the natives how to construct and use these nets.  

"Kidnapped"? Maybe _traded_? 8-)

>This fisherman
>wrote of natives far to the south who built pyramids, temples and
>very large cities and were cannibals.  Could this refer to the 
>AZtecs, or other similar civilizations in the four corners of the
>southern U.S.? 

The "cannibals" to the south would, I'd think, more likely be a temple-mound
culture of the southeast that was flourescing right about that time.  They
practised an Aztec-like death-cult, possibly inspired by Mesoamerican ideas
but definitely with a lot of their own symbolism.

Where did you run across this stuff?
-- 
Eric Scoles			: <<insert witty, pithy comment 
scls_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu  :    here >>
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Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: hans@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Hans Buurman)
Subject: I.M. Sutherland/ Duke/ Ph.D. Thesis
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:15:14 GMT


I am trying to contact Dr. I.M. Sutherland of Duke University regarding
his 1990 Ph.D. thesis "Colonnaded Cenacula in Pompeian Domestic Architecture",
published in Ann Arbor, 1991, on behalf of Frederike Schipper of Leiden
University.

Any information is welcome. Thanks in advance,

	Hans Buurman

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Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
From:  leo@isi.itfs.nsk.su (Kuznetcov Dmitry)
Subject: just test message. Art is empty
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Reply-To: leo@isi.itfs.nsk.su
Organization: Institute of Informatics Systems
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 10:38:26 +0800

this is just a test message checking that conference is
not moderated
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From: skip@taygeta.oc.nps.navy.mil (Skip Carter)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
Subject: AGU ABSTRACT Template
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:24:37 GMT
Reply-To: skip@taygeta.oc.nps.navy.mil (Skip Carter)


	I recently asked if anyone has a LaTeX style file for an AGU
	abstract.  I didn't get a style file, but Jerry Miller did send me
	a copy of HIS abstract that could be used as a template to make
	my own.

	I got lots of "me too" requests,  so here is MY abstract to use as a template.

	See you all in San Francisco...

	Thanks  again to Jerry Miller.


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\begin{document}

\begin{minipage}[t]{11.8cm}
\begin{description}
\item[] {\bf Analysis of Lagrangian Float trajectories in a Stochastic Model}  
\item[] \underline{Everett Carter} (Department of Oceanography, Code OC/CR
	Naval Postgraduate School,
        Monterey, California, 93943; 
        408-646-3318) 
\end{description}

\normalsize

The Naval Postgraduate School has begun deploying {\bf RAFOS} floats in
the California Undercurrent.  This experiment and the first trajectories
will be described.

One of the goals of this experiment is to determine the Lagrangian statistics
of the flow within the Undercurrent.
To answer the problem of the amount of data necessary to reliably calculate
Lagrangian statistics, a simulation experiment was done.  This experiment
put a large number of simulated drifters into a stochastic model from which
various single and mulit-particle statistics could be calculated.  The
probability distribution function, from which the statistics can be derived
was also calculated by solving the associated {\bf Fokker-Planck} equation.


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\item 1992 Fall Meeting
\item 000121505
\item (a) E. F. Carter \\
      Dept. Oceanography, OC/CR \\
      Naval Postgraduate School \\
      Monterey, CA 93943 \\ 
      (b) Tel: (408) 646-3318 \\
      (c) FAX: (408) 646-2712
\item O (Ocean Sciences)
\item (a) none \\
      (b) 4520, 4255, 4576 \\
          (Eddies and Mesoscale Processes,\\
           Numerical Modeling,\\
           Western Boundary Currents) \\
      (c) none
\item Oral
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\item \$50 charge to:\\
        Mastercard XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX\\
        expires 8/94
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\end{document}

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 Everett (Skip) Carter             Phone:  408-646-3318 FAX: 408-646-2712
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From: tafrakes@athena.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
Subject: Re: Employment opportunities for Geophysical CFDer
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:45:39 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep11.222939.16877@leland.Stanford.EDU>, bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
|> Hello to all.....
|> 
|> Does anybody have recommendations on a good source for employment
|> opportunities in the area of geophysical CFD?  References to faculty
|> positions, Post-docs, and research institutes would all be considered.
|> I'm finishing up my Ph.D. here at Stanford shortly, with most of my
|> thesis focusing on direct and large-eddy simulations of convective
|> boundary layers and stratocumulus physics. However, I'm sort of stuck
|> trying to find postings of opeings in the field (either over the network
|> or otherwise).  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> Matt Bohnert

I'd like to hear about anything like this, too.  A CFD type reference
would be great to hear about....

-----
T. Andy Frakes (tafrakes@athena.mit.edu)
-----
Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
From: bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert)
Subject: Employment opportunities for Geophysical CFDer
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:29:39 GMT

Hello to all.....

Does anybody have recommendations on a good source for employment
opportunities in the area of geophysical CFD?  References to faculty
positions, Post-docs, and research institutes would all be considered.
I'm finishing up my Ph.D. here at Stanford shortly, with most of my
thesis focusing on direct and large-eddy simulations of convective
boundary layers and stratocumulus physics. However, I'm sort of stuck
trying to find postings of opeings in the field (either over the network
or otherwise).  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Matt Bohnert


Newsgroups: sci.geo.fluids
From: cc41@prism.gatech.EDU (Craig L. Champlin)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: What is Geophysics?
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:20:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I will soon be graduating with a BS in Mechanical Engineering from
Georgia Inst. of Technology.  I am heavily into outdoor persuits and
have made a point to try and understand the world around me.  From
what I understand of it, Geophysics sounds like an excellent combination
of these two interests.  My engineering training, however, has taught
me to shun pure science and focus my energies on applied problems.  A 
few hours of scanning journals such as JGR, however, has only revealed
problems with a definite "pure science" bias.  My question is this:

What sort of applied problems are avaliable in Geophysics and what is 
the future of this field?  or  Who pays to study this stuff and why?

Thanks.

-- 
cc41@prism.gatech.edu    <-----  It looks silly, I know. 
                                 But this is where you can
                                 Reach me.
                                              - Craig Champlin  
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: jhugart@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jacob Hugart)
Subject: Caves to visit in the Midwest?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:56:42 GMT


I just connected to this group, so if this thread has been discussed I'm
unaware of it.

I'm interested in any groups or clubs which go on expeditions to caves in the
area of eastern Iowa, Northeastern Missouri, Western Illinois, Southwestern 
Wisconsin, and southeastern Minnesota.  Along the same lines, I'm interested
in any caves in these areas, as I don't mind getting some friends together,
buying some basic equipment, and driving off.

This group is the closest thing I can think of for this topic.
-- 
Jacob Hugart  <jacob-hugart@uiowa.edu>
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: What is geophysics?
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:59:36 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation


Eugene Miya posts a relevant article in rec.backcountry once a month titled
"A romantic notion of high-tech employment in the backcountry" that is
relevant to the question of field geophysics possibilities.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From:  leo@isi.itfs.nsk.su (Kuznetcov Dmitry)
Subject: just test message. Art is empty
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Reply-To: leo@isi.itfs.nsk.su
Organization: Institute of Informatics Systems
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 10:38:13 +0800

this is just a test message checking that conference is
not moderated
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