HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: Re: Perot's Secret Plan
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:34:37 GMT

In article <rabjab.135.720743474@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu  
(Jeff Bytof) writes:
> If Perot is sane, here is one possible plan he may have:
> 
> Act insane, so as not to get elected in 1992, Clinton (probably) wins.
> 
> The economy goes all to hell (as some predict will happen under  
Clinton).
> 
> Ross gets his point proved.  He wins in '96.
> 
> ------------------------------
> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu

Thats a hell of an insane plan :)
Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:5247 alt.politics.bush:13387 alt.politics.clinton:16154 talk.politics.misc:58554 alt.politics.elections:22934
From: jovanovic-nick@cs.yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Clinton
Date: 6 Nov 1992 16:21:22 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: zoo-gw.cs.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov6.161014.12471@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.020543.4009@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>>Just as well, as he's a proven liar. Is this the same GHWB that voted
>>against Civil Rights in the 60's?
>
>You are a proven liar, buddy. Bush never did any such thing.

Well, it is a fact that Bush campaigned against the Civil Rights Act of 
1964 during his campaign for the Senate.  He lost, and afterwards stated
that he took positions too far to the right and expressed hope that he
would never do that again.  Well, he didn't learn his lesson after all.
Anyway, Bush was for maintaining segregation in Texas in 1964.  Luckily,
he didn't get to cast a vote in the Senate.

-Nick Jovanovic

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Clinton's mailbox is full now!
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:39:43 GMT

I just tried to email some stuff to Clinton (75300.3115@COMPUSERVE.COM, or
so I'm told) and guess what:  he doesn't seem to be answering his mail.
His mailbox is full!

So much for having access.  Evidentally, that was only for the
campaign.

-OR-  Maybe he's taking a well-deserved break.

Anyone had any luck mailing (and receiving) email from
Clinton, or even his staff?

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Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
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From: cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:22:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


>>Chris Kevlahan
>>cjk@cerf.net			I wish it were Perot.
>>
>>Somebody said we should start looking for the pork and inform
>>the media about it.  And that mayby Tsongas...blah...blah...blah..
>>
>>I would like to do this but there are some things I don't know,
>>like how,where,when can I get information on pending bills in
>>the House and Senate.  
>>
>>Can anybody E-mail me information on non-profit orgs that do can
>>provide this information?

Cripes all they need is:
	A 486 machine, 2 GB hard-drive, scanner, 19.2K modem and
	Compuserve Account (waved fees to mail/Internet) for the
	sole purpose of getting feed back from a 19 Million
	Lobby Group which will not give money to see things passed, and
	other PAC's that have got thier hands in Clinton's pockets.
	- and -
	Kapow...instant bills + media over the Internet.

	As each document crosses from the EDITORS(Sorry, WRITERS) to
	the HOUSE/SENATE...upload a ASCII scanned copy to the PUBLIC
	for SCRUTINY.  How many have seen a BILL?  The writers really
	have a field day...and most of it is not in common english at
	all?

	In FACT, Edit the suckers on the computer, not waste paper!
	How many of these things are READ anyway?!  Most of the interest
	groups say, "Well if you want this (without reading it), then
	we want this..."

Hey Perot, I think I see a business in this?  All it takes is access
to some computer NET with this information, and the idea I've seen
are all quite viable!  I'm interested if you couldn't tell....

TIME TO LINK THE NATION.
Rob.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams)
Subject: Perot Vote
Summary: Who did HE vote for?
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:19:20 GMT


So what I want to know is:  Who did Ross Perot vote for (I bet it was
Clinton)?  Anyone know for sure?


{well, he said he didn't want to be president...:-}

Ben.

-- 
Ben Williams
bew@brahms.udel.edu

               What we got here is a failure to communicate... 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:14:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

++>Sender: news@math.ucla.edu
++>Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
++>In article <Bx60rA.G8D@rice.edu> byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
++>> We should start looking for the
++>> pork, pointing it out to the press, and demanding that they speak
++>> up about it.
++>
++>Barry Merriman
++>barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)  writes:
(**)
++>I think Perot should form a group to do that, and present it
++>himself on a weekly TV show, rather than relying on the 
++>traditional mass media, which are too entertainment driven
++>to hammer home a point.
++>
++>Sort of a consumers group for government, with their
++>own "This week in congress" show.
++>

ADDITIONAL:

Congress should go electronic.   Perot should go electronic.  U.W.S.
should go electronic.

C-SPAN has Gavel to Gavel coverage, no need to repeat this.
Enormous amounts of paper are lost to initial bills and amendments
that look like STRIKE LINE 1.a.4.6.7.c-g and replace with....

If bills and alike are digitized and available over Internet or
via satellite link, SAP on TV direct into the computer.  Public
intrest groups, NO PAC but U.W.S. can recieve documents and send in
a consensus of opinion from state and local levels.

If Perot pulled 19% of the vote then there must be at least 1 out of
those 5 that can get that type of access.  

Temporary access points, THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!, local groups
can gain access to CompuServe which is on the Internet and start a 
national link.  Local groups can at least obtain PRODIGY or other
network ability to at least talk to other people NATIONALLY.

There is too much potential, and I think the overall cost of the
paper + time wasted to update documents in DC could be used to create
such a simplified network.  Perot could probably profit again by BRINGING
the GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE NETWORK.  Though this should be a 2 way
street.

Someone get this to Perot!  

1-800-GOV-NETW  [PHONE NUMBERS ARE NOT REAL!!!  But SHOULD BE!]
1-800-USA-UNITE

1. Access to BILLS/CONGRESS/SENATE
2. Where is our money?
3. Presidential statements.
4. E-mail to/from GOVT
5. Foriegn Intrests
6. etc...etc...etc...etc...  Oh no, not that bunny again...
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Re: Perot: positioning for `96.
Reply-To: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.200551.15278@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com  (Jeff Heilner) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov3.215151.11559@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>  
|> cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell) writes:
|> > In article <27130@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)  
|> writes:
|> > > I think this scenario is possible.  I think you're rite about
|> > > Perot being a "Republican", maybe of a sort that was wiped out by
|> > > the Reagan Revolution, like Nixon on his good days, like Rockefeller
|> > > Republicans, that lot.
|> > 
|> > You might be interested in reading the National Review (the one
|> > with Clinton in armor on the cover).  They are firmly of the mind
|> > that he is a Democrat.  Of course, they think anyone to the left of
|> > Mussolini is a Democrat.
|> 
|> This is funny.
|> 
|> Every "Pro-Bush/Anti-Perot" person I talk to says "Perot is too liberal"
|> Every "Pro-Clinton/Anti-Perot" person says "Perot is too conservative"
|> 
|> So, on average, that puts Ross in the middle, representing the majority of  
|> Americans. 
|> 
|> Right where he oughta be!
|>    
|> --

I wonder how many of those that voted for Bush would have chosen Perot
over Clinton?  Anyone see an exit poll on this?

-- 
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Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: johnc@porsche.cs.rpi.edu (John Colasante)
Subject: WANTED: Data on U.S. debt?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
Distribution: alt.politics.perot
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:01:58 GMT


I am interested in the following data:

For the period of approx 1976 - today, what has been the total
deficit, the amount of budget spent on deficit reduction as a
total figure and percentage of GNP, and actual GNP.  Please
post or email with sources.


Year	Total Deficit	GNP 	Amount spent on Deficit Reduction
_________________________________________________________________

1976 |    ???         |  ???   |       ???
1977 |    ???         |  ???   |       ???
1978
.
.
.
1992



Thankyou,
John C.
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From: st1r8@elroy.uh.edu (Guillot, Burt J.)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Electoral College
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:36:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <jbone.720996339@splat>, jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone) writes...
>> 7:00 Eastern
>> 8:00 Central
>> 9:00 Mountain
>>10:00 Pacific   (All times based on Eastern Standard Time).
> 
>Um... hate to break this to you:  the timezones go the other way.  When
>it is 10 on the east coast, it's 7 on the west...  just FYi. ;)

No ... you misunderstood ... The times I posted mean that when 7:00
Central comes, it'll be 8:00 EST.  When 7:00 Mountain comes it'll be
9:00 EST.
From: lenh@mail.isc-br.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Bush and Perot Supporters, Please read this appeal
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:45:22 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.

In article <1992Nov5.091956.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> I believe the debt
>is of such importance to both Bush and Perot supporters that we should 
>bury *any* other differences we have.  It is important because the 
>sovereignty of our nation is jeopardized with the increase in the debt.  
>Only *after* the budget has been balanced and the debt begins to be 
>payed-off, should we discuss our differences.

I concur with Mr. Perttunen here. As a Perot voter, I have been swayed to the
reasoning that the national debt far and away is our country's biggest threat.
It will take the combined effort of the entire nation's citizens to handle it.
There is no point in <candidate>-bashing any longer. Our government must
implement changes that ultimately reduces _deficit_spending_ and the _national
debt_ without hurting the GNP. 

I've never contacted any of the public officials who represent me, but surely
that will change. I will tell them over and over how important this is. They
must make the changes that will do this. I don't know about you, but maybe my
example will help motivate you as well.

Thanks.
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From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Internet and the Prez
Keywords: Let's ask!
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:57:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.perot
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

With all the talk about staying involved, etc., don't you
think it would be wise to perhaps ask the Clinton admini-
stration to stay in touch with the internet community?

After all, there is a very large cross-section of people
out here, from commercial, educational, research, etc.,
organizations. I would think that if this administration
truly wants to be accessible, they should dedicate the
manpower to keeping up with the concerns and desires ex-
pressed on these newsgroups. Perhaps some sort of a news-
group digest that outlines concerns expressed here could
be given to congress, and they would truly have their fin-
ger on the pulse of the people.

I would like to see something like the following, for example:

us.gov.announce.appts	- Appointments by the Pres, etc.
us.gov.announce.senate	- Bills currently on the Senate Floor
us.gov.announce.house	- Bills currently on the House Floor
us.gov.votes.senate	- Voting records for the Senate
us.gov.votes.house	- Same, for the House
us.gov.bills.pres	- Bills passed, and on the President's desk
us.gov.bills.status	- Same, but what he has signed/vetoed
us.gov.questions	- Questions from John Doe about bills
us.gov.answers		- Digest of answers to questions
us.gov.concerns		- Opinions about bills, general concerns
us.gov.replies		- Digest of answers to concerns

I believe that while it is our responsibility to monitor
our government, it is at the same time our government's
responsibility to make that monitoring and expression of
concerns easier for us. This process has not inproved
much in my recent memory, and there are alot of things
that could be done to expedite it.

I'm sure that if the right people were made aware of the
government's willingness (provided it is willing), the nec-
essary resources would likely be donated (machines, modems,
uunet subscription, ...). I would donate my time for install-
ation/configuration/training, and I'm sure others would, as
well.

I think that if enough people say that access to our government
should be brought into line with current technology, then there
is no way that it can be refused, politically speaking. The ben-
efits would far outweigh any costs associated with such an und-
ertaking.

What do you all think?

-- Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: Clinton
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:21:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.172111.15339@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
# In article <1992Nov5.035603.11183@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:
# >Bzzzt.  Bush said he was going to vote against the bill, but lost the race.
# >So my statement stands.
# 
# This just shows,
# 
# a) he was a bigot as he intended not to give Civil Rights i.e. equal
#    protection under law

No, he said afterwards (or before) that he was really for the bill.  I
think he also said he regretted the campaign promise.

It just show that yes, in the 60s he would say anything to get elected.  It
says nothing about his behavior in office.

# >Besides, this was before Clinton dodged the draft, smoked pot, and
# >organized overseas demonstrations--30 years ago doesn't matter.
# >
# 
# Can you say BUSH. He was the one in this election always digging this up
# from 30 years ago, not Clinton. If it's ok for Bush to call on history,
# why not others? History will prove more embarrassing to Bush that it
# will to Clinton.

Can you say 'sarcasm?'  I'm glad you know what 'history' thinks of a
presidency that has not yet started.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superman.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Why We Should Get Rid Of Clinton
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:59:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.031515.2462@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu () writes:
|> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <92309.123223MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu> MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu write
|> :
|> >>Here are the top 5 reasons why I think we should get rid of Clinton.
|> >>
|> >> him into lifting the embargoes on them.  Which, spells another Affair 
|> f some
|> 
|> >[Large amounts of crap deleted]
|> 
|> >What a wanker!
|> 
|> >'nuff said.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Is this typical of the people that voted for Mr. Perot?
|> 
|> If so I didnt realize that there was so many absolute and total morons in
|> the world.  
|> 
|> Maybe they are all related and the product of inbreeding.
|> 
|> Do you think we can convince them to go off and form there own cult down
|> in Guyana......and drink some kool aid?

NO.  It is not typical.  Infact I do not agree with a single one of his
points and I voted for Perot.

However I would not waste my time addressing them.

-- 
Doug                   

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can 
do for your country.  - JFK
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com  (Jeff Heilner)
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united.we.stand
Organization: SPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:31:19 GMT

In article <Bx8w6o.KnA@rice.edu> byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)  
writes:
> .....There is the Concord Coalition, and another group formed by two
> 20-something guys.  Anyone know who I'm talking about?  Saw them on  
Sunday morning Today show.

I believe you are referring to "Lead or Leave", a group which asks elected  
officials to take a pledge to make real efforts to reduce the deficit and  
debt, and if they can't, to step out of office. 

- Jeff
 


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Perot appearing tonight on 20-20
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:06:35 GMT

I just heard that Perot will appear on Barbara Walters show 20-20 tonight.
No other details are known.


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From: cjk@nic.cerf.net
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:52:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CERFnet


Somebody said we should start looking for the pork and inform
the media about it.  And that mayby Tsongas...blah...blah...blah..

I would like to do this but there are some things I don't know,
like how,where,when can I get information on pending bills in
the House and Senate.  

Can anybody E-mail me information on non-profit orgs that do can
provide this information?

Chris Kevlahan
cjk@cerf.net			I wish it were Perot.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: To Clinton with love
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:45:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.040134.18623@u.washington.edu> canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow) writes:
>
>Over 5,000 years ago, Moses said to the Children of Israel, "Pick up
>your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the
>Promised Land." Nearly 5,000 years later, Roosevelt said, "Lay down
>your shovel, sit on your asses and light up a Camel, this is the
>Promised Land."
>
>Now Bill Clinton is going to steal your shovels, kick your asses,
>raise the price of Camels and mortgage the Promised Land. If you are
>one of the fortunate people who has anything left after paying taxes,
>we expect a generous contribution to this worthwhile project.
>

ho ho, what a great joke.  guess it is better than:
if the pigs in the barn and hungry you better feed'em!
From: aaron@funcity.njit.edu (Aaron Watters)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Scorpion or Doberman?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:45:56 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov11.145020.2080@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>I think that since the UNITED WE STAND campaign is turning itself
>into a political organization, it's time we of the internet take
>time to pause and reflect..... What would be a good mascot?...
>-Pamela Cho-

The obvious choice is a doberman ripping into the hind quarters of
a fiendish Black Panther terrorist!

(By the way, does anyone really believe that 5 armed men would be
turned away by a guard dog?  Why didn't they just shoot it?)

Chicken little might also be appropriate.  Or maybe a chameleon? 
A scorpion? -a

``When will this get fun again?... Will the Presidency be fun?''
   -- Perot querying advisors.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: STATUS UPDATE/United We Stand/Perot
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:32:33 GMT

In article <MCCARTY.92Nov7180132@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> mccarty@add.itg.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
>In article <1676000018@igc.apc.org> Steve Freedkin <sfreedkin@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>   >The latest on the news is that United We Stand might register as a political
>   >action committee -- that's right, a PAC.
>
>   >BOO BO BUP -- We're sorry, but isn't that what Perot was running AGAINST?
>
>Sometimes the best (or even only) way to win is to beat someone at their
>own game...

I, for one would be totally against it.  I am also against forming a
political party right away.  I consider myself an independent and will
stay that way.

-- 
Doug                   

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can 
do for your country.  - JFK
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot