HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 24 Dec 1992 17:17:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Re: Hamas
revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:

><1ha0qjINNrud@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah
>>         The blatant anti-Semitism of Hamas
>>         is yet further indication of how far Hamas has strayed
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>         from the good principles of Islam.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I would like you to tell me what these good prinicples of Islam
>>that Hamas has strayed from are.
>>Maybe Jews know Islam better than Hamas.


>        Respecting people regardless of their religion,
>        for example.

Is that ture if other people don't respect muslims and threw them in
jail and outisde their homlands, and say they are garbage and animals?
Prove it to me in Quran or Hadith!

Or you're just you don't know what you're talking about!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: 7642
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:56:23 GMT

minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>
>the philosophy of zionism did not specify jews as a religious
>community but as a racial community.

Jews are not a race, Jews are a People.
You can be born a Jew, or Convert.
I was born Jewish.  My girlfriend Converted.
We will be Israeli citizens and live in Israel.


[
 To vote in the U.S. you have to be a U.S. citizen.  You can either be
 born in the U.S. or become naturalized.  Native Indians who were on
 the land when the U.S. was made independent were eventually made
 citizens.

 To vote in israel you have to be an israeli citizen.  you either have
 to be born a jew or become one.  Arabs who stayed in israel in 1948
 also are Israeli citizens and can vote.

 The U.S. doesn't allow other indian tribes outside the U.S. to
 vote, and neither does Israel.
]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: kal@mars.dgrc.doc.ca (ali baba)
Subject: Re: The Hadith about Muslims killing the J
Reply-To: kal@mars.dgrc.doc.ca
Organization: Communication Research Centre
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:56:53 GMT

>It was the Jews who accepted the second partition of Palestine in
>1948, the Arabs who rejected it in order to destroy the Jewish state.

Who gave the english or the french the right to partition palestine?
the arabs rejected the partition and they should always reject it. The arabs and their arabizim did nothing to liberate palestine, but the time will come when islam will liberate the land.

"EX: please respond to this example,

	let us suppose that we have x & y and each one lives in his house. One day x said I'm stronger than y, I can take over his house and if he is nice enough I'll give him a room. Should the court in the U.S.A "or in any civilized country " accept this partition? I do not think so. Let us suppose the court decided in the favour of Mr. x, I'm sure if you were Mr. y & I'm Mr. x you will not accept this partition and you would fight all your life for your right.

"
>>First of all, do not compare Israelis to Nazis.

>  Why not? The comparison is quite valid in this case.

The israelis are worst than Nazis.

I'm sorry that some of the good jews on this network will see this mail, but my friends an extreme view needs another one opposing it or else it would not listen to anything else.   

Do not get me wrong, I'm in the favour of justice and peace, and these two things should not be separated.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wednesday, 30 Dec 1992 10:14:11 PST
From: Lois White <LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
 <1hqs17INNlkr@manuel.anu.edu.au>  <1992Dec30.035927.8795@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
 <EGGERTJ.92Dec30105709@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> <2500@itexjct.jct.ac.il>

In article <2500@itexjct.jct.ac.il>, jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Joel Jacobsen)
says:
>
>eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>
>
>>I always thought that ancient Israel was considered the land of milk
>>and honey.  It was certainly well settled before the Hebrews got
>>there.  (The Hebrews did after all massacre lots of people to get
>>their Israel.)  Now it is well known that the 20th century Zionists
>>and Israelis have reclaimed a lot of land from the desert and swamps,
>>but certainly not all of pre-20th century Palestine was unproductive
>>land.
>>--
>>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
>
>Oh what an inocent American. Where are all the Indians today?
>
>( Including all who killed in the not_so_famous massacre for finding the
>  optimal caliber for handgun. Many Indian was shot to death in a 'test'
>  that brought the .45 ACP caliber. You can check it out..)
>
>        Joel
I didn't see Jim Eggert saying anything about America's history, so why
bring it up?  Besides, if Americans were guilty of such acts, (which we were),
it is NO excuse for ANY other country, culture, people, religionists, etc.,
to be quilty of the same thing!  The white people's conquering and
killing and enslaving in North America is no reason to justify any other
people's doing the same in any region of the world.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,misc.test,misc.jobs.offered,rec.pets,talk.bizarre,soc.culture.nordic
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:20:32 GMT

cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza Hitler Salah) writes:
>A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir) says:
))[...deleted...]
))Sincerely
))Altaf Qadir
))
)Well Said brother Altaf....


Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:5827 talk.politics.mideast:23916
From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Hamas and Anti-Semitism
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:28:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic

In article <1992Dec22.031707.3375@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
>May I recommmend for those militant Jewish supporters that when arguing with
>Arabic posters to use Anti-Jewish instead of Anti-Semitism. Afterall, 
>how could Arabs be anti-Semitic when they are Semitic people.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	The word "anti-Semite" connotes someone who is against
	Jews, according to the dictionaries.
	The fact that "Semite" appears in the word does not
	affect the meaning.  (Note that "Jew's pitch" has the
	word "Jew" in it, but it means "asphalt".)
	Arabs can indeed be anti-Semitic, and a classic
	example is Hamas.  The blatant anti-Semitism of Hamas
	is yet further indication of how far Hamas has strayed
	from the good principles of Islam.

	
-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: LEAVE CARASSO ALONE (Re: Postmaster at Carrasso's site)
Date: 26 Dec 92 16:36:35 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <1992Dec26.044250.14250@colorado.edu> bouguett@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya) writes:
>I sent mail to Carrasso's site postmaster to complain about 
>Carrasso use of offensive and racist language.  There seems
>to be the case that these two gentlemen grew in the stable.
>I plan to take the matter further and contact their newsfeed
>as a first step and and see what other actions are 
>appropriate.
>
>This postmaster's messages follow:
 [The postmaster's trash removed]
>
 I'm really sorry because of the answer you've got. I think this "disturber"
(to avoid insluts :-)) doesn't deserve even one second of our interest. I think
the most appropriate answer to such a guy is to leave him shouting until he's
tired. So KILL his articles, and DON'T ANSWER HIM. Dialoging with someone on
the net means that you have some interest in what he says. Carasso (also known
as Rafael Dafny Christy, Mr Communist, Roger David Carasso, and several other
aliases which he used to disturb readers of several other newsgroups before)
doesn't deserve we waste our time on him, so PLEASE, READERS OF S.C.A, IGNORE
THIS GUY.
-- 
Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr
    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | IMAG, INPG.
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: 7642
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:57:42 GMT

a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>| 
>| Jews are not a race, Jews are a People.
>| You can be born a Jew, or Convert.
>| I was born Jewish.  My girlfriend Converted.
>| We will be Israeli citizens and live in Israel.
>
>What you say is totally wrong. I knew some one whos father was Jewish and his
>mother was dutch. He was not considerd Jewish since his mother was not. 

Nothing of what I said is wrong.  You are either born a Jew or
Converted.  To be born a Jew your mother must be Jewish.

>To be Jewish and Israeli citizen is not the same.

Any Jew can become an Israeli citizen.  They are the same for anyone
who wants them to be the same.
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 21 Dec 1992 20:07:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



AbdelJawad writes:

>What about 100 or 400 years?  The fact is, time matters (again, I'm assuming
>you wouldn't advocate the reinvasion of Spain, and all those parts of the
>world that were at one point part of the Islamic empire, and were forcibly
>detatched from it.).  Luckily, forty years is short enough that those who
>lost their lands can be compensated.

>Again I want to stress that my position does not imply that I condone the
>actions of zionists forty-some years ago, or that monetary compensation for
>confiscated Arab land is fair.  We have to be practical, however, and
>unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your point of view, Israel is
>here to stay.  Let's accept that, and move on.

"Israel is here to stay."  That is a sign of a defeated person.  I doubt if
a muslim says this!  If you do accept that, others do not.

If we look 100 or 400 years ago and now, I agree we will see there is a big
difference.  How about if we look 100 years from now?  Can we see that Israel
might be gone?  You may argue that what I am proposing is unrealistic.
BUT remember this,

The crusaders took over Jerusalem over 90 years.  And the crusaders were
backed by whole Euorpe at the time, as is the Israel now.  Did muslim
gave up hope and said, "The cursaders are here to stay" and forgot about
Jersalem and Palestine?  No my friend.
After 90 years muslims liberated Jerusalem by Salah El-Deen.
Israel took over Jerusalem since 1967, it's been only 93-67=26 years,
                - or in the best case -
Israel existed since 1948, which is only 93-48 = 45 years.

If you can't continue the journey, step a side and let other people do
it while you're watching.

Islamic history repeats itself.  Tatar came to Iraq and devistated most
of the muslim world.  Did they last forever?  No.  Muslims came back
and defeated them.  The same case with crusaders.  And now, Islam is coming
back to do what it did before.

Is this unrealistic or is it not???
-- 
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From: gwydion@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Postmaster at Carrasso's site
Date: 26 Dec 92 14:41:52 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec26.044250.14250@colorado.edu> bouguett@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya) writes:
>I sent mail to Carrasso's site postmaster to complain about 
>Carrasso use of offensive and racist language.  There seems
>to be the case that these two gentlemen grew in the stable.
>I plan to take the matter further and contact their newsfeed
>as a first step and and see what other actions are 
>appropriate.

Turing is a private machine.  It is owned by one Jon Gefaell who is
employed at the University of Virginia.  Because of this, it feeds off
the UVa site.  Please note that this is the machine itself - I do not
know where their newsfeed comes from.

Turing used to run an IRC server.  Unfortunately, Mr. Gefaell chose to
grossly abuse the powers granted to him as an IRC server operator and
he had every one of his uplinks pulled.  In the US at least, IRC is a
total anarchy and you must both offend a very large number of people
and behave in an extremely fascist fashion to get *all* of your
uplinks pulled.  However, Mr. Gefaell managed to accomplish this
difficult feat.  I hope he will prove more receptive in other matters,
although I fear that such is not likely to be the case.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:5804 talk.politics.mideast:23830
From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:19:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic

<1h585iINNduk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>The crusaders took over Jerusalem over 90 years.  And the crusaders were
>backed by whole Euorpe at the time, as is the Israel now.  Did muslim
>gave up hope and said, "The cursaders are here to stay" and forgot about
>Jersalem and Palestine?  No my friend.
>After 90 years muslims liberated Jerusalem by Salah El-Deen.

	Yes, the greatest of Kurds.  Now look how the Kurds have
	been rewarded.  They have no self-determination, and
	Iraq has obliterated over 4000 Kurdish towns and villages.
	Since Iraq continues to occupy and oppress Kurdistan,
	why is the existence of Iraq any more legitimate than that
	of Israel?

>Israel took over Jerusalem since 1967, it's been only 93-67=26 years,
>                - or in the best case -
>Israel existed since 1948, which is only 93-48 = 45 years.
>If you can't continue the journey, step a side and let other people do
>it while you're watching.
>Islamic history repeats itself.  Tatar came to Iraq and devistated most
>of the muslim world.  Did they last forever?  No.  Muslims came back
>and defeated them.  The same case with crusaders.  And now, Islam is coming
>back to do what it did before.

>Is this unrealistic or is it not???

	Some in this nuclear age might consider it a bit unrealistic
	to model behavior on the period of the Crusades.

-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PALESTINIAN HOMELAND?
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:59:06 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Dec30.225749.19159@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
> 
> Ok.  Trying to be moderate and understand the full exent of palestian
> demands, I'd like to know the following, with regards to how the
> majority (or what percentage) of palestinians would answer the
> following questions:
> 
> 1) What are the boundaries of the palestinian homeland?  
> 2) Would they be willing to accept part of their homeland?
> 3) If they would accept part of their homeland, what would they
>    want from the part they didn't get?  Visitation rights?
> 4) What percent of palestinians would be willing to be bought out?
>    For example, if 70% of plaestinines were willing to accept $10,000
>    to throw off all future claims to palestine, and the other 30% would 
>    be given land in the west bank and allowed to form municipal (city)
>    local governments?
> 5) Do you feel that jews have any claim or right to the land?

oh my gawd! the racist bugger is actually talking sense!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: randy@halcyon.com (C. Brandon Gresham)
Subject: Re: Looking for book
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:30:31 GMT

zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

>Sorry to divert everybodies attention from arguments about whose more evil,
>Israel or HAMAS, by discussing CULTURE on this newsgroup.

.. . . . 

>We now return you to your regularly scheduled programs (sorry flames :-)

>Happy New Year to all,

Well said, Zeyd!

If only that were enough to return discussion to a factual and rational
basis we would all be blessed.

Peace.

randy@halcyon.com
From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:36:09 GMT

<1hcrepINNkrp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>Don't play smart by asking individual evidences!  Be general in your
>perspective.  As said in Arabic,"The one who lives with a group of people 40
>days, become part of them."  What applies to the border guard who kills
>kids, apply to any other border guard.

	Then what applies to one Hamas member applies to all?
	I didn't support Israel's deportations before, but
	perhaps I should reconsider?


>Sure.. Ron wants to tell so many good things about Islam.  One of them
>is that parents whose kids are getting shot in cold blood are child-
>abusers.   Very good intention, isn't it?

	I have never said such a thing.  Perhaps some other Jew did,
	but of course, what applies to one Jew applies to all.
-- 
Ron Evans (revans@math.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: JORDAN IS THE PALESTINIAN STATE
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:18:08 GMT

JORDAN IS THE PALESTINIAN STATE.

FACTS:

1. Jordan is in Palestine.

2. All Jordanians are, by geographic definition, "Palestinians."

3. Over Half of Jordan's Cabinet ministers are Palestinian.

4. Over half of Jordan's population is Palestinian, 3/4th in Amman.

5. "What you call Jordan is actually Palestine."
		--Yasir Arafat,
		  in an interview with Oriana Fallaci, 1970

6. "The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."
		--King Hussein,
		  1981


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: NEW HOMELAND FOR THE PALESTINIANS
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:59:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.210234.21950@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
|> >
|> 
|> GOOD.  SO THE BLOODY PALESTINIANS ARE JUST SYRIAN.  LET'S SEND THEM TO
|> SYRIA, THEIR HOMELAND.
|> 
|> carasso, "and all this time I thought they were just Jordanians..."

No, I could see that an idiot like you is lost. The Palestinians are part of
the SYRIAN NATION which has become of Arabic character. This does not change
the fact that Israel is still occupying the Palsetinian region of Syria. Also
the Jordanians are part of that SYRIAN NATION that you are fighting with.

As for sending people to their homeland. I will give you a history lesson. The
Jewish homeland is not palestine, rather it is where the Jewish tribes have
come from. The theory is that they were Nomads from somewhere in the deserts
of the Arabian peninsula. The Palestinians are original inhabitants of that
land and they are an integral part of the Syrian Nation as evidenced by the
testimony of history and geography.

A.Faris 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.brazil
From: faype@bcvms.bc.edu
Subject: *** PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS CROSS-CULTURAL SURVEY!!! ***
Organization: Boston College
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:02:49 GMT

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 28 Dec 1992 14:46:46 EST
From: Christopher Khoury <34I2NYW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PLO COVERUP

In article <1992Dec28.174616.24439@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, carasso@Turing.ORG
(Roger Carasso) says:
>
>"The PLO will NOT become a political organization but will continue to
>be above all an organization for armed struggle.  The PLO will not
>cease its attacks on Israel in favor of a diplomatic initiative."
>
>        Voice of Palestine
>        Lebanon, Oct. 8, 1979
                          ^^^^
OH COMON Mr. Carasso. Look at the date on this thing. Don't you think
a few things have changed over the past... *13* years??
For your info, the PLO has already said long ago that they support the
peace talks. Where have you been?

------CHRISTOPHER!


---------------------------
    CHRISTOPHER KHOURY
34I2NYW@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
---------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: ARAB QUOTE #1
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:39:58 GMT


"The establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the West
Bank and the Gaza Strip does not contradict our ultimate strategic
aim, which is the establishment of a democratic state in the ENTIRE
territory of Palestine, but rather is a step in that direction."

	-Sala Khalaf (Abu Iyad)
	Interview with Al-Safir, Lebanon, Jan 25, 1988