HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RFD: Still in print?
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:48:34 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Is RFD still in publication?  

I would appreciate it if someone would e-mail me subscription rates
and the address to send the money to. 

Thanks

-- 
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Stephen R. Figgins           |  There was an old woman
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   |  Who lived under the hill 
PO Box 1244                  |  And if she's not gone 
Lawrence, KS 66044	     |  She lives there still
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RFD: Still in print?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:44:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul23.205017.27656@csrd.uiuc.edu>
  <1992Jul23.214009.27549@tc.cornell.edu> <1992Jul23.220126.19064@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer opines:
>_Hippie Dick_ is even worse.  Not enough "Hippie" or "Dick"
>for my taste.

[ SOUND OF AN *ENORMOUS* RAZZBERRY GOING OFF IN STEVE'S FACE ]

So much for YOU.  As it happened, the twisted furball behind
_Hippie Dick_ happened to be in Portland the weekend of
Motss.con, but I'm now rather glad I didn't introduce you.

I don't even think it's possible to put _HD_ in any sort of
category other than "'zine."  'Zines tend to be something of
a stream of consciousness from the perpetrator (in this case,
one Gene Barnes), whereas something like _RFD_ is more 
structured and actually has a stated purpose.

Of course, the fact that I know Gene may have something to do
with my appreciation for _HD_; the way he beseeched me for
a story to print in an upcoming issue might have something
to do with it as well.  ;-)

In any case, if you are lucky enough to see a copy of _Hippie
Dick_ on your local newsstand, don't let Steve's maladaptive
response to it dissuade you in the slightest.

(Perhaps Steve just did too much LDS in the '60s. ;-)

 
() Anyone who has begun to think places some portion of the
() world in jeopardy.
()      -- John Dewey
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Fashion Plate
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:12:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul24.151253.24075
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I was lying in bed last evening watching the Thierry Mugler Spring
1991 fashion show on video, and noted a few interesting things of
somewhat MOTSS interest:

1) In contrast to ongoing discussion postings on sci.med, about how
'painfully slender' fashion models are, the most seemed healthily
full-figured.

2) I told friends in 1989/1990 that they should buy colored latex
clothes to be on the cutting edge. Mugler's show was almost entirely
latex-look vinyls.

3) Diana Ross looked horrible, though Lauren Hutton ("Lo-Lo" to
friends in LA) looked great. Linda Evangelista was great. Iman, David
Bowie's new wife, seemed to have very large breasts. She must be eating
again.

4) The music was all done by Lady Miss Kier, and was fabulous. I was
particularly impressed by a remixed soundtrack of "Camelot" sung in
Japanese.

5) Xaviera Hollander called in the middle of the tape for someone at
the house, and while watching "Lido" or "Las-Vegas" look clothes come
on stage (diamond pasties, push-up tiara bras, huge starched-gauze
flamboyant skirts opening at crotch level) I told her I read all her
books when I was 10 or 11, which gave her pause when I told here I was
29 now, and then we started chatting away. Very odd segue.

6) Mugler still had the same old (yawn) lapel-less men's jackets in
flourescent colors. Isn't 1983 over yet?

7) I did note that half of the male runway models were sporting facial
hair. Mugler's lover, in snakeskin-print latex pants, had a alarmingly
large basket that seemed to extend halfway to his knees on the left
side. He was terrible on the runway, but seemed to be giving it a
sporting try. [I note for bear aficionados: my minions tell me that
in almost all of the spring fashion shows for 1992, there was at least
one male model sporting full beard. Tattoos were not uncommon either.]

8) There was the metal robo-suit featured in the new George Michael
video. I want one.

9) Good "Metropolis" inspired transparent vinyl jackets with
flourescent patterned piping.

10) The models had a penchant for kissing each other at odd moments. I
particularly liked a certain dyke-strut model with transparent black
gauze half-top, and asymmetrical black leather skirt. Diana Ross also
appeared momentarily in a transparent top and black vinyl pants. I
don't think I had ever seen her breasts before. Scandalous.

I just wish the Paris fags would be more adventurous, like their best
fashion designers. Their idea of cutting edge is last-year's Gaultier
teeshirts bought on remainder. No wonder I was chased and called
"dominatrix" when I looked merely ordinary-go-out English...






-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: fvaughn@ds5000.coe.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GCN Community Mtg. 7/23
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:17:34 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University
In-reply-to: rogerk@queernet.org's message of 28 Jul 92 04:02:08 GMT


 #In article <1992Jul27.182227.4636@kronos.com> richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun) writes:
 #>it's apparent to me that we don't need just another gay weekly in Boston.
 #True, but BAY WINDOWS is the one you *don't* need.
  
 AMEN!

 -FRED
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Orson Scott Card replies
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:57:15 GMT


In article <FkH5NB2w164w@penn.Gwinnett.COM>, bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins) writes:
|> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > I've looked and I've looked but I just can't find it:
|> > 
|> > That article by Orson Scott Card on homosexuality that
|> > was discussed here about two years ago.  Could someone
|> > who still has it mail it to me, please?
|> > 
|> can they also send me a copy? (I work for a book company and would Looooove to
|> pass it around to the (lesbigay) section managers! hehehe)

I have an account on America OnLine (AOL), a fairly large BBS owned
by Quantum.  There is a large GLB contingent there, and because of 
their efforts AOL created an area call "Gay & Lesbian Community
Forum" specifically for us.

Another area on AOL was set up and is run by Orson Scott Card.  Its
name is "Hatrack" something or other, and one of the files available
for download there is a response Card made on Prodigy to someone who
was complaining about Card's gay characters in one (or more) of his
books.  Had I not read the Sunstone article (the one I was referring
to above) I would think that he was (mildly) gay-supportive, but having
read the article I realized he was saying the same stuff, only in a
way to make it sound like something different.

So I decided I wanted to make the Sunstone article available in the
GLCF area, and I sent Card mail asking him for permission.  He gave
me an emphatic "NO" and his message included the following:

    You were talking about the Sunstone article.  That one is way 
    out of bounds - it was written to a Mormon audience and should 
    only be received in its context as part of an ongoing discussion 
    in Sunstone Magazine.  I would be curious to know how an electronic 
    copy of that ever came to exist in the first place, and I most
    emphatically deny permission for it to be circulated beyond its 
    original context.  In this case permission definitely IS required 
    in order to duplicate the essay, and permission just as definitely 
    is denied.  And you might pass the word to others who might be 
    duplicating that article without the courtesy of asking permission 
    that my fee for each unauthorized copy made of the article, including 
    downloads and uploads and xeroxes, is $10,000.

So he wrote it and now he doesn't want anyone to know.

My intentions are to write an article which quotes from it (which
I am pretty sure is completely legal to do without permission.)
I didn't think it was possible to have less respect for the man
than I already did, but I guess I was wrong.
-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:10:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.203335.28373@decvax.dec.com> walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh) writes:
>In article <nlkd1e4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>> However, if you look at the people who have been running things,
>>and you look at the people who have been fucking things up, and you look
>>at the people who are leading us into disaster, what are they?  White
>>heterosexual males.
Hmmmm, politically-correct chauvanism.
>>
>I though they were Republicans.

Uh, the Democrats control both Houses of Congress, the majority of
Statehouses and Governships, as well as most of the mayoral offices
of our largest cities.
Since they control most elective offices, it is fairer to say the
Democrats are in control.  (And yes, they are f***ing up).

I am sure you know this, but since I read the article about how only
1 in 5 of 18-25 year-old voters know the Democrats control Congress,
I get worried about how such blanket statements might get interpreted.

-------
P. McGuinness
ObClintonRemark: If Clinton is running on "change", what changes does
he propose to the Democratic-led Congress?
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32258 rec.arts.tv:15198 rec.arts.tv.uk:4447 rec.arts.tv.soaps:26134 soc.bi:9415 alt.politics.homosexuality:5136
From: glb3833@sjfc.UUCP (Gidget Bowden)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:43:27 GMT
Reply-To: glb3833@sjfc.UUCP (Gidget Bowden)
Organization: Saint John Fisher College, Rochester, NY

>In article <1992Jul20.190203.21469@ccu.umanitoba.ca> wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca  writes:
>For a while now I have been trying to compile a list of television programs
>that have included gay/lesbian characters as a part of their regular (or 
>semi-regular) casts.  Many shows have "dealt" with gays in a single episode or
>story line, but just how many have included gays on a regular (or recurring) 
>basis?  My intention is to keep the list to network and widely-syndicated 
>entertainment shows in the English language.   This includes shows seen on 
>broadcast or cable television nationally (or very widely) in the United States,
>Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia and/or other English-speaking nations.

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not, but on the soap AT the
World Turns, there was a gay character Hank.  They never showed his lover,
who was living in another city, but his lover had AIDS, and eventually
died, I think.

I hope this helps.

--Gidget



-- 
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* God did not create the world in seven days.          * Gidget L. Bowden *
* He partied for six, and then pulled an all-nighter!  * glb3833@sjfc.edu *
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD)
Subject: I post therefore I am.
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.055644.14509@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu 
(Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul21.041135.25224@cs.mcgill.ca>
>akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD) writes:
>
>>Je suis sur la berge du ravin, pas sur la verge du rabin.

[I am on the embankment of the ravine not on the rabbi's penis]

>
>Besser fliegen wie Voegeln als voegeln wie Fliegen!
>
>V Pravde net izvestii, v Izvestii net pravdy.
>
>[It's better to fly like birds than fuck like flies!]
>[There's no news in Pravda and no truth in Isvestia.]
>
>-- 
>Jess Anderson 

My post was quoted...

therefore I e-am. =8)

Alain

-------------------------
In a recent lecture on dairy physics:

"We have on the left a spherical cow of uniform density, on the right is
a spherical hay stack of uniform density.  The two are separated by an 
infinite fence of infinitesimal thickness delta.  

Now,  before looking at the governing relationships...
                                           let's make some assumptions."
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: motss.com
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:35:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul30.043526.29207
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <asuccop.712467427@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>only *three* women showed to motss.con & you're thinking it's 'just'
>white male guilt??

I'm saying that my saying "gee it's too bad there were only three
women" is white male guilt. I don't understand why there weren't more
women at the con.

I wish I could be saying "there were only three women, and this is too
bad, and this is how we can make women feel more welcome the next
time". But I don't know what can be done, or even if anything needs to
be done. So I can't say it, all I know to say is "gee".

It's also possible that there's motss.con-specific no problem at all,
and the gender disparity was a reflection of the general heavily male
bias of the Usenet. 

If some people didn't want to come because of their gender, then I'd
really like to know why, and what can be done to make it a more
inclusive space.

Yes, I'm feeling white male guilt. The con felt largely like men-space
to me, and while I was largely content within that framework, I don't
think it is ideal.

Heck, *I* had a great time.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                   Nothing is true; everything is permitted
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Re: Spanish spelling
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:33:55 GMT


In article <62498@cup.portal.com>, Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <1992Jul20.131906.19307@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
|> >ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
|> >
|> >>Next we'll move on to music, where the great and mighty will whip out
|> >>their *REALLY* *BIG* *COLLECTION* and compare sizes.
|> >
|> >What a clever lad!  May I open the bids at 9,000 records?
|> >
|> >--
|> >Jess Anderson
|> 
|> My CDs might be smaller than your records, but they're harder and
|> they last just about forever.

And truly modern, because during playing nothing touches
them - it just gets very, very close and peers into the
crevices.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Argggg (Job market)
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:55:37 GMT

lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

> After sending out dozens of Resumes to head hunters all I've had are
> a few offers for sysadmin work in some inaccessable location.
> 
sigh....the job market sucks wind everywhere, not just in Boston....
(anyone know of anything in the magazine industry?)....
q? are folks even sending you 'no thanks' letters? all I get are the
"mail the resume' into the black hole syndrome..."

good luck!
growf.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:50:33 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

spaz@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Trebor Strunderthuck) writes:

>I'd give out my bear
>codes....but I lost mine and I can't remember them anyway...(I also heard
>there are new ones).....And by the way.....BOB DONAHUE? ARE YOU LISTENING??

	I flatly refuse to re-post the NBCS to this group.  Everytime
I do so (and in fact anytime anyone does it), I get a ton of flaming
e-mail.  I will gladly send a copy to anyone who asks for it...

	We joked about some new codes at the .con and in fact there
are revisions that have never been posted...  It's not likely they 
ever will, given the way some people react to its very presence.
Why some people would react so negatively to something that has no
stock whatsoever in their lives is beyond me - IMHO such energy could
be redirected towards more useful goals, like writing letters to
congresscritters, CEO's, school boards, etc.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: aikido!
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:51:27 GMT

In article <33825@cbmvax.commodore.com>, kominetz@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Kominetz - CATS) writes:
> Any other gay martial artists out there?

Ha!  Not me, but there's an incredible community of karate
dykes out there.  Some sort of cult thing, near as I can tell.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GCN Community Mtg. 7/23
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:22:27 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

fvaughn@ds5000.coe.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn) writes:
>Is there anyone on the net from the Boston area who attended the
>community meeting on the future of _Gay Community News_ last night
>(Thursday, July 23)? I (and I'm certain many other netters) would
>like to know what happened?

I stopped by for about an hour of the meeting.  At the heart of the
meeting was a contest between two proposals, one to privatize governance
of the organization and one to maintain a democratic, community-based
structure.  (Proponents of each proposal were primarily women; it was
not a struggle between genders or anything like that.)

By the time I got there, I had missed any discussion (if any) of the
editorial content and/or vision advocated by each faction.  I basically
sat through over an hour of "process" discussion, suffering through a
mutated version of Roberts Rules of Order.  (I call this "drowning in
democracy"...;-)  When I piped up to ask participants to address their
comments toward a vision for the newspaper, I was shushed by cries
of "we've already been through that!"

At some point, it seemed there was a decision made to adopt the community-
based proposal, but the exact process was a bit vague, and I never got
a clear sense of when they'd be publishing again or how much money they'd
have to raise before this could happen.

There were a couple of specific points addressed:  how long does the staff
stay on before termination (answer:  another week, through 7/31), and
should money be appropriated to continue staff health insurance an extra
month (yes, through 9/15).

Personally, I don't really care how the organization is governed.  My
concern is just that the publication itself be interesting and
provocative (it wasn't either in the past couple of years, IMHO).  I share
the view that it should be representative of the community as well,
but to really accomplish that would mean enlarging the publication
well beyond 16 or 24 pages.  It's not clear at all to me how this
paper can address a national audience given such a small subscriber
base; it faces stiff competition nationally and locally, and it's
apparent to me that we don't need just another gay weekly in Boston.
(A lesbian weekly would probably be more successful, if it can quickly
find a strong readership: the only local competition in that arena is
Sojourner, a monthly.)

-rich
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 17:11:30 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
 <1992Jul22.125050.18303@watson.ibm.com>
 <1992Jul22.154754.12749@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

not that this thread is all about me, but i just wanted to
clear something up.  i did not choose giving birth over
adoption, but over abortion or giving the baby up for
adoption.  i don't expect blue ribbons and tickertape
parades, but it would be nice not to be attacked when i
am just standing around minding my own business.

for those who missed the point above, katy is the result of
an unplanned pregnancy.  not that it's really the whole
net's business, but i thought i would point this out
since the workings of my reproductive organs seem to be in
the public eye at the moment.  she'll find out soon enough,
so i guess it won't kill eitehr of us to have the dozen or
so of us who aren't sick to death of this thread know also.

i'd say that i'll be sure never to show pictures of katy around,
but off the net i usually find that peopel ASK to see pictures.
it's funny how different the net is from the people i know in
person.  when i was taking katy with me to wilde-stein meetings
and other gay functions, she was in danger of being spoiled
rotten, from the attention all the guys were giving her.  but then,
none of the guys i know are as political as the guys on the net either,
so i guess it evens out...

                                           -ailsa
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It's not what you got, it's what you give           _______________
It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: the new innocent
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:20:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.041101.1254@menudo.uh.edu>
      elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU (Kwok-Wai Ng) writes:

>In article <manz.712397174@ee.ualberta.ca>, manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Qu>een} Manz) writes:

>>>Well.... I guess it can mean female brings over a fake penis and
>>>insert into a male's anal, but that's HIGHLY unusual.

>>You think so?  I don't.  I know quite a few straight men who like that
>>sort of thing.                              ^^^^^^^^

   Ditto.

>What?  Straight??  A 'straight' man wouldn't be so desperate to be the
>insertee, would he?  If he likes to be fucked by penis that much, he
>just can't be all straight.

   Grrr... Clue to this, asshole.  Sexual orientation has nothing to do
with a particular sexual act.  It has to do with the sex of the
participants.

   There are gay men who do NOT enjoy getting fucked up the ass.
   There are straight men who DO enjoy getting fucked up the ass.

   A man having sex with a woman commits a heterosexual act, regardless
of what that act is, and that includes strap-on-dildos-shaped-like-
sheeps-dicks-and-lubricated-with-guacamole.  A man in bed with a man
commits a homosexual act, even if that's just a long night of
snuggling.

      Elf !!!

-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore