HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Starting the day with obedience
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:00:28 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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Here's an idea (pending experimental evaluation) for all these 
people, myself included, whose dogs sometimes get into trouble 
while Mom and Dad are at work.  Take five or ten minutes before
your commute to go over the obedience commands learned to date,
perhaps adding a "dry run" and mild imitation "correction" of
some specifically vexing misbehavior.

Maybe that will get the dog's day started with the proper attitude,
as opposed to "It's showtime, folks -- gotta shovel up them tulip
bulbs and terrorize the squirrels."

Since I have an occasional prospector, I'm going to additionally
take him to the site of the previous day's holes, use his paw to
scratch up some dirt, and give him a good "No!"  We'll see if 
this helps.

Thoughts?  Probably nothing new, but seems like it might work.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: aba@hp835.mitek.com (Binion Amerson)
Subject: Re: My dog watches tv....
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.201720.15299@research.nj.nec.com> asher@syl.nj.nec.com writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I've been reading this group for a little while, and I enjoy reading about
>all of the interesting things your dogs do.  I haven't seen anything about
>what my dogs do, though, and I was curious as to whether anyone else had
>seen this.
>
>I have two dogs, both mixes, but with mostly German Shepard in them (I
>think).  Anyway, my larger dog stands just about eye level with where
>our television is, and the crazy dog _watches_!  It's really pretty funny,
>except that BELLa (stands for Big Ears and Long Legs, but together
>it means 'pretty') stands right in front of the tv while we are trying while
>to watch.  Her attention span isn't that long though, maybe a minute or so,
>but she cocks her head first one way, then another, and she backs up whenever
>they cut to a close up of someone's face, or change scenes.  My other dog,
>Dusty, can't seem to understand what BELLa sees in the tv.  Dusty will push
>BELLa with her nose, trying to get her to play and gets this hurt look on
>her face when BELLa just ignores her.  Anyway, is my dog just weird, or did
>everyone already have the 'My dog watches tv..' thread before I started reading?
>
My 2-1/2-year-old Chihuahua, JJ, also like to watch TV.  He looks for dogs,
cats, horses, cows, and other animals.  When one appears on TV, he runs just
in front of the TV and starts jumping at the TV and barking; he continues this
until the animal disappears.  If he is not watching TV and I say "TV," he comes
running and the jumping and barking starts.  
 

-- 
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 Chennault Dr., Carrollton, Texas 75006; 214/308-0447; aba@hp835.mitek.com
 General Manager: 40th STC Annual Conference, June 6-9, 1993,  Dallas, TX
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Wheezing Dog
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:49:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.165626.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> cabarto@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>Every once in awhile (I'd say at least a couple of times a week),
>our one-year-old Bichon Frise starts wheezing.  She can't catch
>her breath -- these episodes last for 15-30 seconds.  After the
>episode is over, she is perfectly fine.
>
>We've been able to determine that it happens most often when she
>gets excited, but it also happens just out of the blue.  I've 
>scheduled an appointment with the Vet, but I'm curious if
>anyone else has experienced this problem and if it may be
>unique to Bichon's.

My Corgi gets something the vet called "reverse sneezing".  We call it The
Snorts.  She makes a loud snorting noise on inhaling, exhales briefly,
snorts again, etc.  It looks pretty uncomfortable -- her sides cave in, etc.
The vet claimed it was voluntary, and said I sould just yell at her to
cut it out.  While I think this is an exageration, she can control it a bit.
It's certainly true that she had less trouble as soon as I stopped comforting
her when she had an attack....

My dog has more snorts if she's pulling on her collar on a walk, eating 
powdery brewer's yeast, or during allergy season.

The thing to do for them is hold their nostrils shut until they stop snorting.
(Someone in an obedience class told me this.)  This will stop the attack in
short order.  Tell them "NO SNORTS!".  Most times now my dog can stop them
by herself by holding her breath if reminded "NO SNORTS!".

I hope this is what your dog has -- it's no big deal.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: David Simmons == net.cop
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.142223.2590@newshost.lanl.gov> davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes:
>
>When I asked him to desist in his flaming,
>he flamed worse.  So yes, I forwarded his email to his network
>security controller.

Mommy mommy he was mean to me!  make him stop!

>I have no patience for obscene and abusive
>people like Peter K. Boucher.  Would I do it again?  You bettcha!

Of course.  People like you never give up.  You'll go on annoying people and
being a general nuisance for years to come. 

>In fact, I already did.  I forwarded his latest series back to his security
>controller.

He's probably thinking, "Who is this Simmons twit and when is he going to get
a life?".   They have better things to do than listen to you whine.

And what in his recent post justified a complaint?  All it did was expose you
for what you are.  I can see how you wouldn't want that to get out...
You are now hated by people who never knew you existed before that post.

>David G. Simmons	"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a
>davids@lanl.gov		meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and
>			add drama to an otherwise dull day."
>						-Calvin

Apparently you practice what you preach.

>If I said it, LANL didn't...

But it would be forwarded to them anyway if everyone else on the net was as
anal as yourself.
-- 
"What? Over? Did you say it's over? Nothing's over, till we decide it is! 
 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" --John Belushi
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: help with retriever problem
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:40:09 GMT

In article <3533@eastman.UUCP> garrison@kodak.com (Laurie Garrison) writes:
>
>i posted this question before, but i got no replies so i am
>trying again.  i have a three year old golden named Indy.  
>this is the problem:  Indy does not destroy anything when
>i am not home.  when i *am* home, Indy seems to spend all of her
>time looking for things to pick up and eat, like socks, underwear, 
>used kleenix, shirts, remote controls, my glasses, etc.  if i don't catch her, she EATS them.  as in *gone*. she has eaten two pairs of my glasses, numerous socks etc, nails, one remote including the battery...i am getting

Why not crate Indy when you're home.  After she's been exercised
and has a chance to eliminate, she can get a sterilized bone or
something to chew and happily chew on it in her wire crate so
that she can also watch the world go by.  She might really be
interested in marrow bones you can pick up at the meat counter
in supermarkets.  After they suck out the marrow, stuff cheese
in there.  It keeps them busy for hours then it's nap time.

	Sounds like a phase Indy's going through.  Maybe some
imposed control over her access to things until it has passed
would benefit both of you and save your relationship with your
roomate.
-- 
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   "To endure yourself may be the hardest task in the universe."
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Doberman FAQ in progress - help!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:06:58 GMT

Okay, Dobe lovers, I need your help.  Since it's really not fair
to ask Cindy to do all the work (and she's done a ton of it so far,
and very well!) and since it's not fair that such a wonderful breed
as the Doberman Pinscher should'nt have its own FAQ entry :-), I have
volunteered to attempt to write one.  However, in the interest of
making this as complete and accurate as possible, I am soliciting
input from any of you who are knowledgable about the breed.  Especially
appreciated would be things like breeder names and addresses, book
recommendations, and health info.  I have some good references, but
more would be even better.

If anyone would care to email me any info you may have, I will gladly
compile and edit the FAQ.  And, of course, give you credit as a
contributor.  Heck, if anybody wants to get real involved, you can
be co-author.  I just want to put together a quality article.

Please email any contributions to:

	rlt@gummo.att.com

and include a valid email address so I can get back to you.  If you
would like to see the article before it's submitted, just say so, and
I'll gladly email you a copy.

Many thanks in advance.

Roberta
..and the DoberPuppies
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin)
Subject: Re: CHD ( Hip displaysia)
Summary: Perhaps mostley envoronmental?
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:22:52 GMT

In article <2A9128C3.24375@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>In <19382@drutx.ATT.COM> mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:
>
>>Both CHD and hip displaysia are hereditary and
>>cannot be influenced by environmental factors.
>
>This seems a bit strong to me.  
>  stuff deleted
>--Cindy
>
The early assumptions on CHD were that it was simple recessive.
It soon became clear that this was false and it was assumed
to be multifactor ( carried by combinations of genes).

Estimates of heritability range from about 25% to about 50%. This
means that from 50% to 75% is environmental. The large environmental
component is a major problem in trying to use breeding to
eliminate CHD. Conjectures have included diet but I don't know
of any supporting data. I think that there is some evidence for the
following:

Keeping puppies underwieght reduces CHD. ( I cannot bring myself
to do this. )

Limiting activity during growth reduces CHD. ( Ditto)

CHD is a recent phenomina. It roughly coincides with the
introduction of X-ray machine into typical veternary practice.
In general, I think that X-ray diagnosis is too sensitive. It
may be good for breeding selection but only the extreme  stages,
and sometimes not even those, reliably predict symptoms. This
is an interesting topic but I don't have my references nearby
and I will cut it off at this point. However, the statement
that CHD is completely heriditary goes against almost all
of the research.

Don Martin
Widdershins Old English Sheepdogs
From: dag@control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: looking for new dog suggestions
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:32:05 GMT
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden

In <rec.pets.dogs> winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:
>In article <...>, X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> (Chris Barnes) wrote:
>>  
>> No.  Not without a fight.  Not with MY breed.
>>  
>
>It is not your breed!!!  You did not bring it into existence.  You did
>not create it. It may be the breed you like and choose to use as a
>hunting dog, but it is not your breed; you do not own it!!
> ....
>Please get your nose out of the air and act like a man, not a elitist
>pig!!

Hmm.  I intepreted Chris' "my" differently -- that Chris says that he
has views on the purpose of the kind of dog he owns, but refrains from
telling other people what they should make of breeds he has less
personal interest in.

People often use the phrase "my breed" and it always seems to mean
"the breed of the dog I own."

I think people should read netnews more carefully.  That would give
you a chance to look for alternative interpretations before you write
a reply.

Besides, isn't breeding and conformance shows all about elitism?
[Notice flame bait.]

			-- Dag
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.hunting
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Neutering a male pointing dog???
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:14:27 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug13.084300.17411@doug.cae.wisc.edu> roger@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>	I have a 4-month, male English setter which I will be using
>for hunting. I need a fairly wide-ranging dog, not one that works too
>close.  My vet suggested neutering the dog, and swore that this would
>have no affect on his hunting capability. However he was unable to
>tell me of any local bird dogs that had been neutered. It would be
>nice to cut down on the dog's roaming instinct, but I am nervous about
>being a pioneer in this way.
>	Does anyone have any knowledge or experience in hunting with
>neutered male pointing dogs?  My main concerns would be about the
>basic hunting instinct (or drive) and about stamina and weight gain.
>	
Roger,

I can't comment on English Setters specifically (except that they are
one of my all time favorite breeds) but I do have personal experience
about neutering a Lab.  My dad had one that he used for dove and duck
hunting.  He was great.  Required very little training (in the hunting
department).  At about 3 years old, he became a "roamer" and was very
sneaky about getting loose.  Now, my parents live in a county about
half the size of Rhode Island; it has one traffic light; no fast food
chains; and less than 10,000 people.  Very rural.  But there are a few 
roads and everyone was worried the dog would end up dead on the side of 
the road.  So they had him neutered.  Didn't affect his hunting at all.  
About 5 months after his "operation," he was content to stay on my parents 
property.  He lived to be 15 years old and the day before he died dad
took him hunting.  

schalene



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Scaredy cat dog
Summary: Puppies, stairs, and CHD?
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:42:07 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

[Various letters about dogs afraid of the stairs.]
    I have been told that it is not a good idea for puppies of those
breeds prone to dysplasia (typically the large breeds) to go charging
up and down the stairs.  Since the expression of CHD is influenced by
environmental factors, this makes sense to me.  Any comments on this?
Any data? Does anyone think this is hokum?  Once a pup does figure out
the stairs, I have found it can be a challenge to deter them from using
the stairs.

bws


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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: re: Mastiff Rescue
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:13:42 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH


To the person who requested information about Mastiff rescue, here is an
updated name & phone number:

Mastiff Club of America
Marly-Louise Owens
Rd 1 Box 627
Phelps Street
Gloversville, NY 12078
518/661-6493

****************************
Marget Johnson
-- 

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Wheezing Dog
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:01:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.165626.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> cabarto@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>Every once in awhile (I'd say at least a couple of times a week),
>our one-year-old Bichon Frise starts wheezing.  She can't catch
>her breath -- these episodes last for 15-30 seconds.  After the
>episode is over, she is perfectly fine.
>
>We've been able to determine that it happens most often when she
>gets excited, but it also happens just out of the blue.  I've 
>scheduled an appointment with the Vet, but I'm curious if
>anyone else has experienced this problem and if it may be
>unique to Bichon's.

I have 3 Bichons and none of them have that problem.  I don't think
this is related, but the windpipe of a Bichon is pretty sensitive, and
if they are straining at the leash and get some pressure from the
collar on the front of the neck, they will exhibit a choking sort of
cough and discomfort.  I take it the wheeze is different, a nasal sort
of thing...
I hope your vet can shed some light on it, and let us know what you
find out.

Regards--
--Rob


-- 
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robl@netcom.com       |  cat are not the better for it."  --Abraham Lincoln
From: clr60@ccc.amdahl.com (Catherine L Reck)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Siberian Husky For Sale
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:27:24 GMT
Reply-To: clr60@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Catherine L Reck)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


For Sale:

Male, 10 month old Siberian Husky puppy

"Sinjin" is a black and white neutered male with brown eyes. His markings are
very striking. He is house broken, good with children (we have a 2 year old),
and gets along well with our other dogs. He likes to pull the dog cart and
has a very mellow temperment.

Sinjin is AKC registered, out of championship lines. His shots are current, 
including rabies, he has been wormed and is flea free. We recently "rescued"
Sinjin from his previous owners because they could not afford to keep him. He
is out of our male Yuri, a Canadian champion, and son of one of the top dogs
on the west coast.

We are asking $250.00 for Sinjin, to cover our costs.

If you are interested, please give me a call at home, or send me an Email. We
can arrange for you to meet and hopefully fall in love with a wonderful
Sibe.

Catherine Reck clr60@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (408) 944-5120 (work)
Siber Kahn Kennel (408) 733-7919
Khiva Working Dog Outfitters - dog carts, sleds, harnesses, backpacks

PS. Sinjin is located in Sunnyvale California
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 08:18:24 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: LIFE magazine and Puppy Mills
 <92224.201134U30993@uicvm.uic.edu> <BsyGpK.FAr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

A very good indicator of whether the store buys from
puppy mills is if their papers all indicate that the
pups came from one place...  e.g. Yorkies, Rotts,
Lhasas, Cockers all have the same breeder/address on
their papers.  Another indication is if the puppies
come from local areas, rather than from hundreds
of miles away.

I'm sure others on this list will have advice on
this topic...
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Kimberly J. Laird
 *University of Illinois-Chicago
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From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: convincing people to go to responsible breeders
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:46:06 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In <1992Aug17.062418.8948@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:

>Beth Schwindt writes:
>> Every last [breeder], when hearing she wanted a pet instead
>> of a show dog, hung up on her.  She ended up...buying
>> [a dog] from a pet store

>Come again?  She didn't visit her local shelter?
>She didn't contact the rescue society for the breed?

>-- Jon

The reason she didn't go to the shelter/visit the rescue society was that 
the book was written in (approximately) 1966, 67.  The incident took place
in the early to mid 1950's.  By the time the book was written, the dog in
question was in her late teens and had survived several rounds of  
surgery on various parts of her body.           

(Jacqueline Susann was the author of _Valley of the Dolls_, if you're
wondering why the name might sound vaguely familiar)

Beth

-- 
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the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a new bomber....My history
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: belanger_f@wmois.enet.dec.com (Fred Flintstone)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: 2 dogs need new homes (half-Samoyed male; American Eskimo female)
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:34:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



    Fred Belanger
    belanger_f@wmois.enet.dec.com
    work: 508-874-4834

    Because of dog-hating neighbors I must put my 2 dogs up for adoption.
    They don't bark any more than most dogs (just when other dogs and
    some people come by the house). Before I end up in court they MUST
    find a loving home SOON (or I'll have to regrettably take the pound
    route).

    They are great together, and I'd like to have someone take both, but
    it's not required.

    FIRST: Half Samoyed-hald Shepard, 3 years old. Male, neutered, all
    shots. Light brown in color, Sammy features. Very playful, loving,
    good with kids. His name is Sonny. Free, comes with at least 50 lbs.
    of dry dog food, leash, and dog house if needed. He's an outdoor guy,
    loves the snow and running around.

    SECOND: Purebred American Eskimo (with UKC papers). Female, 10 months
    old, not spayed (but I'll pay for it if you need it done). She's all
    white, looks like a miniature Samoyed, about a foot high, and a foot
    and a half long (small dog). Her name is Dolly, she's very affectionate
    and loves to play, she's good around other dogs and animals (she and
    Sonny play together all the time). Since I had to pay for her, I must
    ask $200 for her (although I might negotiate if you take BOTH at once).
    She comes with canned food, harness, leash, and crate.

    These dogs MUST go fast, my neighbors and the Police have been hassling
    me on a regular basis. I live in Athol, Mass. in a heavily populated area
    with a lot of other dogs around.

    Fred Belanger
    call me at home: 508-249-6577 (answering machine on at all times).
    or at work at DEC 508-874-4834 days
    belanger_f@wmois.enet.dec.com