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From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: SEC SCHEDULE?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:14:23 GMT

demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:

>>Geee, I don't understand why nobody has mentioned Arkansas and the SEC playoff
>>in the same sentence.

>"Arkansas will not play in the SEC playoff this season."

>There, how's that?

>By the way, now that Arkansas State is Div I-A, when are the Hogs going to
>schedule them on a yearly basis?  They should set it up on a three-year site
>rotation:  Fayetteville, Little Rock, Jonesboro, F, LR, J, etc.

Well, they _could_ be in B'ham.  Lord knows they spent the last 2 years re-building...it's time for them to do something!

I thought AR state was an all female school..:)

Roland
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Fighting Frenchmen
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:19:16 GMT

Bert Koehler writes:

>Speaking of Irish GREEN, what color were their uniforms in the Sugar Bowl
>when they humiliated Florida?  What color were their uniforms throughout
>most of history?  And what color are their uniforms when they are up
>against huge odds?  (notice they usually win when playing in their greens)

Notre Dame has *not* worn green through most of their history.  Nor should they
since green is not one of the school colors.

The story of the green jerseys is as follows.

In 1977, Notre Dame was to host Southern Cal and the Trojans were picked to 
dominate the game.  Notre Dame didn't stand much of a chance.  At the pep rally
the night before the game, the fans were instructed to wear green to teh game 
to show their Irish spirit.  Also, they were reminded that Notre Dame wore 
green uniforms under Frank Leahy during the four-year unbeaten streak.  At the
game the next day, the team came out in their regular blue uniforms for
warmups.  Then, they returned to the locker room for the final instructions 
before the game.  When they returned to the field, they were wereing the green 
jerseys.  Dan Devine continued using the green jerseys for the remander of his 
tenure at Notre Dame (through the 1980 season.)  Gerry Faust discarded the
green jerseys in favor of some really ugly blue ones.  They were not even the
school colors.  Anyhow, Gerry used the Green jerseys twice in wins over USC.  
Then, the Irish wore green again against Florida in the Sugar Bowl.  But *the* 
green jersey game was in 1977, a 49-19 victory over USC.

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- My imitation Elvis may not be the King --
- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: more nicknames and mascots
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:07:17 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Jul21.184908.4412@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>TRUE?!?! You tell me. I sure like "Rooooooooollllllllll Tide" a lot better
>than "go elephants" but thats just me.....

I dunno, Rob. I mean, Elephants are mighty, intelligent, elegant
creatures. You'd rather your team be named after a massive bacterial
infection???

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: I-AA followers in rsfc
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:18:34 GMT

Oh sure...  It's not too painful to watch I-AA football down here where 
the inter-divisional games are sometimes actually interesting.  The
Southern Conference is chock full of fine football teams, like Furman,
The Citadel, Marshall, etc...
  


 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:58:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.225026.14769@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>This thread is stupid.
>-- 
>
 No doubt, but what is a Badger schooler doing asking for Purdue news!!??


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From: kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: SEC SCHEDULE?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:50:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.170519.19162@b11.b11.ingr.com> mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.181830.15957@b11.b11.ingr.com> tad@tad.b30.ingr.com writes:
>>In an earlier article mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>>
>>> 
>>> >Tennessee's schedule
>[deleted]
>>> >12/5 SEC Championship   
>>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>
>>>     You guys better find out the time of this one.  Majors and the
>>> team may want to watch it on TV.
>>> 
>>
>>The last few years the Alabama fans I know have been pretty humble and waited 
>>until after the third Saturday in October to do their "woofing".  Could it be
>>this year they're going to come out of the closet before the season begins?
>>I can only hope this will be another case where Oliver's Woofing Theorum is 
>>proven true.  
>
>    Try as I might, I can see no "woofing" of any sort in my
>observation.  I was just trying to be helpful.  Besides, who
>mentioned Alabama?  This time.
>
>--
>Guy McConnell
>guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
 I don't see any "woofing" either, but just to be on the safe side here's
an antidote:
Tennessee will destroy Alabama on the third sat. in oct. the score will
be 223-0. The Tennessee starters will leave the field after the first
five minutes of the game. The fourth quarter of the game will not be
played to save the Tide further humiliation.
That should take care of all "woofing theorems" that exist out there.
Roll Tide!
Ramana
(kollur@rpi.edu)
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Turman (was Re: ND lovers / haters)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:57:18 GMT
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.

In article <9207242144.AA07410@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>Robert Szczerba writes:
>
>}In article <1992Jul22.191944.3650@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) }writes:
>}>
>}>Ha ha ha, ND isn't a football factory? Ha ha ha I can't help it this just
>}>really breaks me up. That's like saying UNIX doesn't relate to computers, or
>}>GM doesn't make cars. Ha ha ha...... That's a great one he he he he.......
>}>
>}>John
>}>-- 
>}
>}Notre Dame is far less of a "football factory" than some other
>
ND stuff deleted

>You'll learn Rob (Can I call you Rob?) to just ignore Turman's blathering.
>He mostly just posts to enflame.  Check this one out (I know you did)...
>
>[regarding ND on NBC...]
>}>>YAWNNNNNN who cares? If it aint the Canes it aint FOOTBALL. Who really
>}>
Canes stuff deleted

>}>First of all, if Notre Dame was looking to have an easy schedule,
>}
ND stuff deleted

>}GOOD!
> ^^^^^
>
>and this...
>
>[Turman writes with James Clyde responding...]
>} >...how is almighty Gods own schools record against
>}                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Canes stuff deleted

>}The black pot rambling on about the kettle, obviously.
>
>No kidding!  I have yet to meet a Notre Dame fan that even comes close to 
>
ND stuff deleted

>Oh, and Turman writes:
>}BTW Miami has the best uniforms, Penn State and ND the worst.
>
>Yeah, right.
>
>-Mike Noonan

I would just like to thank you publicly for all the attention you accord me
and my inane Cane boosting posts. You are right in your assessment that most
of my posts are meant to inflame, after all isn't that what everybody expects
from a Canes fan? But don't forget that I am not the only one on the net who
woofs for his/her team. 

Most of my posts are followups to other inane posturing which continually
occurs in this newsgroup, ie. my school is better than your school, my ethics
are beyond reproach and yours are nonexistant blah blah blah etc. ad nauseum. I
don't see where my tactics are any different or less vile than those who
constantly berate and attempt to belittle the University of Miami. If the shoe
were on the other foot (no pun intended) I'm sure you folks would also come to
your teams rescue. Suffice it to say that I will not stand idly by while boorish
fools make half assed attempts at attacking a program which I happen to hold
dear to my heart.

I'm just responding to those who believe in "if you can't beat them, criticize
and vilify them in public".

John
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The opinions expressed here are sole property of the author and are not
the opinions of Make Systems or any other entity. What a shame.
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From: demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Computer Prediction for the Big 8 Conference
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:33:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

>Just proves what happens when you give the job to someone who lives near
>Ga. Tech. 

Well, if my program is so bad, let's see what your football rating system 
predicts for this season, and we'll compare.

We're waiting.

Don't have one?  Figures.  Those that can't do, complain.

>Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!

Dylan Wilbanks, Ewell Gibbons meets Masterpiece Theatre.  

Tonight's selection:  "Call Of The Wild Hickory Nuts".
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 23234@cs.ucla.edu, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>
>I see little or no recruiting advantage to the "no redshirt" rule, in almost
>all cases.  Do you know of even one case where an athlete came to Notre
>Dame because he was certain he wouldn't be redshirted?
(I have seen players say I didn't want ot go here because I would be redshirted)

I think the no redshirt rule is a recruiting advantage.  Every player that 
ND recruits plans on being an All American & playing in the NFL,  they 
know they can start as freshman.  So a high school star gets told by
Neb/Ok/Mich/whoever they will likely redshirt or by ND being told they
will not redshirt.  They may be # 6 on the depth chart.....

IMHO,  redshirting is a good policy.  I'd rather see players graduate in 5
than finish playing (& likely short of graduation) in 4.  Besides,  freshman
are pretty immature.  


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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: ND fans
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:07:39 GMT



In article <1992Jul30.195825.12032@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stan
ford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>pszymans@schiller.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski) writes:
>>ND fans are very gracious to the opposition
>
>Last year at Stanford stadium, a female ND fan attacked a band member
>because he was wearing a nun costume and she thought it was insulting.
>
>Gracious?  I would call that boorish, violent and criminally insane.

Seems like you are talking about a FAN, as in singular.  Maybe she had PMS...  
Anyway, TWO years ago, when Stanford upset the Irish at ND stadium the fans 
APPLAUDED the Stanford team.
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
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From: robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day)
Subject: Re: The Deserving Heisman?
Organization: control_centers
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:12:48 GMT

In <1992Jul21.141931.22321@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, Tom Lavelle writes:

>I am definitely not a hard core Notre Dame fan, but...  If i remember
>correctly that towel was specially made for him by a friend for the game.
>I believe that one of those non-scholarship yahoos was taking a real
>cheap shot by tring to grab the towel.  Now that is the epitome of
>unsportsman like play.  Will someone from Notre Dame more familiar with
>the incident please respond to clear up the story before i get
>flamed beyond belief

I think you are right about the towel being made specially for the game.
Tim's story after the game was that the guy stole the towel while he 
was on the ground and was waving it around & making a big deal out of 
it on his way to the A&M sideline.  He also said that he just tried 
to reach around him to get the towel, he didn't mean to clothesline 
him like he did.  Although if some guy was running around with my towel
and was calling me a wimp (or worse things), I'd probably clean his 
clock too.

It was pretty funny that year at the Keenan Revue (a yearly amateur 
comedy/talent show put on by one of the dorms) seeing many skits
that dealt with "The Towel."  It seems that Tim's own classmates gave
him more crap than anyone else.

Rob
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From: rszczerb@purcell.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Orange Bowl 
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:33:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.152019.21291@ncar.ucar.edu> ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert) writes:
>
>Well I can't say I hate ND but I sure dislike them. Why?
>
>Well I went to both ND vs. Colorado Orange Bowls at Joe Roby Stadium and
>I had some first hand experience with the ND fans who are the main reason
>why I dislike ND.
>
>ND fans are so boring that they don't even *stand up* while watching their 
>team play and when they chear it is barely audable. They didn't even seem
>to be excited about being in the O-Bowl. It was just another football game to
>them. I can't respect a team that has lame fans. Come to Colorado and we'll
>show you what REAL FOOTBALL FANS ARE LIKE.
>

I don't know what games you were watching, but I was at the 1990
Orange Bowl and we stood the entire time, cheering wildly.  At
every ND football game I've been to, the ND fans are usually
very enthusiastic and very spirited ... many people would even
say we get a little too enthusiastic.  The students and many
alums stand for all Notre Dame home games (for the entire game).
I don't know what the fans are like in Colorado, but I don't think
they could be any more loyal to their team than ND fans.     

Just on a side note:  When I was at the Orange Bowl in 1990 I had
the chance to party with quite a few Colorado fans, and they all
seemed like great people.  My friends and I had a lot of fun.

	- Rob
From: jan10@cd.amdahl.com (jim Nimmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: BIG 10 predictions
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:31:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Could someone repost or forward me a copy of the BIG 10 predictions/previews?

Thanks in advance - Jim
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From: mearley@brtpa90.bnr.ca (Matt Earley)
Subject: Re: ND lovers / haters
Reply-To: mearley@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc., BNR-RTP Info Systems
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:04:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.231204.11788@makesys.com>, john@makesys.com (John
Turman) writes:
|> 
|> What a crock, and I guess that goes for the coaches too right? Yeah I can hear
|> the coaches talking to the freshmen players now "we don't want football to
|> have too great an influence on you son but just don't lose more than one or
|> two games a year understand boy"?
Football is important to Notre Dame. It funds the athletic department,
contributes to general scholarship fund, builds classrooms and libraries,
and helps keep Alumni donations flowing freely, which go to a general 
fund not to the AD or some booster organization.  Acedemics are also
important to ND.  They do make special cases for admission, but athletes
are expected to earn a degree, most do.   Some majors are harder than 
others, just like for any student.   There are tutors available to help
those who need it.  It makes pretty long days for serious student 
athletes, but that's the same anywhere.  

So you better win, you better stay above 2.0, its only for 4 years, 
you have a better than average shot at the pros, but if not at least 
you have a degree from a pretty good school.  Notre Dame uses football 
to fund many of its achedemic goals, but since the ends can't justify
the means, its athletes must live up to standards that in some 
cases are higher than those for regular students.
|> 
|> Does that theory hold true for coaches at almighty U also? Is that why a 4-8
|> coach gets fired, because there is no emphasis on football at Pious U?
|> 
I don't know if your talking about Jerry Faust, but he had a five year
contract which was honored but not renewed.  It was not bought out by 
the boosters for a million dollars like at many schools.  He was not 
forced out, or fired, although that would have made a lot of people
happy.   You have to go back pretty far to find a fired coach at ND.
In the early 60's, Joe Kuharich?, was fired.  Different time, 
different Notre Dame.
|> Inquisitive minds want to know. :~)
Not exaclty Enquirer stuff so: Rick Myer is Joe Montana's illegitamate
love child, there was a nun involved.  See a.b.p.e for details. :')
|> 
|> John "Dolphinatic" Turman
I though chopping up dolphins was against the law, Oh that's a 
dolphimatic.

--
Matt Earley, BNR Inc. RTP, N.C. - I speak for myself not NT/BNR. 
I love ND, hate the freakin leprechaun.
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:18:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.135149.19042@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>John Turman writes:
>
>>Anyway you guys beat us fair and square
>>unlike that one school who had to have the refs blow the call on 4th and one 
>>at the ND 2 yard line when the Canes obviuosly didn't score the TD but they 
>>did get the first down but that fact was lost on the lame refs running the 
>>show.
>
>I was at that game, but seated at the far end of the stadium.  I could not 
>judge from my vantage point how much yardage was gained on that play.  But what 
>was clear was that the Hurricane player fumbled the ball.  Being in the stadium
>without aid of replay, I had assumed that Notre Dame took posession by virtue 
>of recovering a fumbled ball.  I was amazed at watching my video of the network
>coverage that the ruling was that Notre Dame took over on downs!  While it is
>probably ture that Miami had made the first down, the effect of the call was
>correct - Notre Dame should have taken posession of the  football by virtue of
>the fumble.
>
>BTW, why do John's pro-Miami posts always carry a Notre Dame berating?
>
>     - Pat
>.
>-- 
>- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
>- Department of Chemistry ----------- My imitation Elvis may not be the King --
>- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
>- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------

They don't always berate Notre Dame, I also attack Michigan :~). Anyway enough of
this foolishness already. After the season starts then lets compare how our
respective favorites are performing and critique the games. I for one am getting
tired of ranting about my Canes when they haven't even played a down yet. I think
I'll take a net vacation till the season starts unless I get some new info about
the team or players, till then rant on brothers and sisters.

John
-- 
The opinions expressed here are sole property of the author and are not
the opinions of Make Systems or any other entity. What a shame.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
John "Dolphinatic" Turman
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From: lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Reply-To: lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 14:06:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.200726.3975@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>
>Well the Canes weren't very impressed by Tim Brown all they did special on
>defense against him is knock the living snot out of him every time he went
>out for a pass or had the ball in his hands. He got so beat up in that game
>that he was for the most part a non-entity. I especially remember seeing him
>get a major case of alligator arms on one crossing pattern on a pass that was
>eminently catchable. It didn't do him any good as he got obliterated on the play
>anyway but the short arm incident sure made me feel like he was way overrated.
>True Heisman material means you give it your all on every play and every time
>your team calls your number. In the game against the Canes Tim brown was not
>ND's best reciever, the tight end was (forget the name) and Tim Brown played
>like a scared puppy. End of discussion.
>
>John
>-- 

Looks like Miami took a page from JoePa's book, the shortest armed receivers
I ever saw were Blades, Perriman, and Irvin in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl - 
boy, talk about scared receivers   :)

John L
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Wilbur Althauser)
Subject: Re: College Coaches
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:36:45 GMT

niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.193012.18904@data-io.com> jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul16.183328.8106@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
<I know it's a little early, but I'm in the process of updating
<
<Here's some more info to add to your list:


Coachs with 10 or more years standing:

Illinois
   Robert Zupke  1913-1941
   Ray Eliot     1942-1959


John Althauser
jwag9429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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