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From: cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero)
Subject: Re: Information request about DC.
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:40:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.150707.29554@wixer.cactus.org> will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz) writes:
>In the Oct '92 issue of "The Guide", a free peridical
>having info about clubs and gay travel, they
>featured some of the clubs in the Washington DC area.
>One club that caught my eye was "The Chesapeake House",
>where apparently the dancers "take it _all_ off".
>Assuming I get a chance to visit DC, I would like to
>stop by there for a visit. Can anyone tell me about the
>club and what to expect? Also, has anyone see Duane there?
>(He is one of the performers.)
>

While I can't tell you about the Chesapeake House (because I never
went there), I can tell you that most places in DC that have dancers
take it all off.  

You can expect them to dance on the bar right in front of you.  Also,
some places allow you to touch for cash (although, I think it is 
illegal).

Expect a lot of cruising too.

>Please post or email your reply. Thank you.
>
>-- 
>Bill
>will@wixer.cactus.org
>

Have fun.

-- Chris


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster Video rumors
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:03:12 GMT

TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:

>Okay, it's not true. But has anyone noticed how hard it is (stop snickering, me
>n) to get a gay or lesbian-themed video in a Blockbuster? Back when "Henry and
>June" ("Emmanuelle" with pretensions, IMHO) came out with its NC-17 rating, BB
>announced it would not carry NC-17 movies. But I wonder now whether the store h
>as quietly extended this policy to gay movies as well. No "Desert Hearts," no "
>Lianna," no "Longtime Companion," etc. You get the picture. Or maybe it's cause
> I'm in ALabama, where the greatest demand is for tractor-pull and wrestling vi
>deos...

    I think it must be, because 1) I rented the unrated version of "Wild
Orchid" at a local Blockbuster yesterday, which is WAY more than NC-17,
(and has the HOTTEST young Brazilian in it!), 2) I've rented both "Longtime
Companion" and "Desert Hearts" there, and 3) our local store is rife with
tapes with "17" stickers on them.  That's usually how I shop for a good
title.  ;-)

    I don't know if it was here or another group, but I seem to remember
reading that it was up to the individual franchiser as to what videos are
carried, which only follows since tastes vary locally.  The damn chain
can't even gets its act together nationwide with respect to memberships,
I don't see why they would in tape selection.

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:36:35 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

Steve Christensen <stevec@apple.com> writes:
>someone else writes:
>>This has come up before, but I didn't pay much attention because of
>>the following shocking fact:  while I *do* know who Marlene Dietrich
>>is, I do *not* know who Jason Priestly is...

>He's on Beverly Hills 90210...

	He works for the Postal Service?  Huh?

BBC
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:22:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct7.212202.9629
Organization: insert anything here


	Who's MAdonna?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: "I Hate Gay Men" text
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:35:24 GMT


In article <Bw5yt8.2I4@exnet.co.uk> s0xjg@exnet.co.uk
(Xavier Gallagher) writes:

>and save the medical expenses of keeping
>him alive when he starts rotting away from AIDS.

Would you mind not talking like that here?  Quite a few
people who read what you say have HIV infection as a fact of
their lives, and that kind of talk is in any case
insensitive, but especially obnoxious in this forum.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Further Butchification
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:06:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.050509.18185@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>Anyway, in my quest for further butchification (insert Tom Ammiano
>impersonation here) , I bought a motorcycle on Monday, a 1984 Honda Nighthawk 
>650.  I had talked about the possibility with several motssers, so this is 
>a general announcement for those who might be interested.

congratulations, you now have a *cruiser* :-)

of course *real* butch (symptomatic of testosterone poisoning) would be
to get a rocket sled, er, sportbike.

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:38:39 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

I have always believed that dried cilantro is coriander.
Am I wrong?  I am strongly allergic to coriander, and mildly
to cilantro -- plus I hate the taste altogether -- which
I thought made sense.  


-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:28:22 GMT

norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) wrote: 
->shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
->>
->>I've been trying to think of anyone who is a regular poster
->>who hasn't been blasted in a major way at some point in the
->>past, and I've come up empty.  Is there, in fact, such a
->>person?
->
->Speaking as a new (regular?) poster, I am pleased to say I haven't had
->any hair singed (yet).

that's what "new" means: not crispy.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: de-muffining
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:34:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Oct16.041059.11386@sol.UVic.CA>, dcunning@engr.UVic.CA
(Daniel  Cunningham) wrote:

> Flamers need not respond to this article.

But we're *all* flamers, even when we're *not* posting...

Melmothra, ACC
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: John Gielgud / Secret Agent
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:25:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct11.042508.4095
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I just had the pleasure of seeing Secret Agent, the 1936 Hitchcock
film with John Gielgud in it. It's quite good. A couple of motss
relevant things came to mind:

What's going on with the implied homoeroticism in that movie?! I've
got a couple of scenes in mind - in one, Gielgud and R are talking
about the General:

  Gielgud: "the General is a lady-killer?"
  R: "Yes, and not just ladies"

now, this can be explained because the General's profession is in
fact an assassin, but the context there..

the other example I'm thinking of involved another man making kissy
noises over the telephone to Gielgud's wife, and Gielgud picking up
the phone and having kissy noises made at him. It was done for
humourous effect.. But still, shocking!

Which leads me to the next question - anyone have any good Gielgud
stories? My base of knowledge for him is rather odd. I've only seen
three of his productions (all movies: Secret Agent, Prospero's Books,
and Caligula (I told you, it was a rather odd collection)). I'm told
he's been arrested more than once for crusing young men in the streets
of London.

So, any dish? I don't suppose there are any tell-all biographies, are
there? I saw an interview he did with (I think) Bill Moyers, but it
was rather bland.

(btw, Prospero's Books is terrific, and Gielgud does a wonderful job.
Caligula is awful, and it's quite clear that Gielgud spent about two
hours rehearsing for the part.)
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                       Shop as usual and avoid panic buying
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Pride
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:45:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Oct13.174520.23406
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


Gawd punishes the proud:

>If I were any other species than homo spaiens myself, I
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>would ask of Mother Nature that she bring this about sooner,
>rather than later.

Those of us who hang out in baths, I suppose.  Fine thing to
happen right in the middle of my best line!  It's what I get
for think it *was* a good line, I guess.

<> History repeats itself; that's one of the things that's
<> wrong with history. -- Clarence Darrow
-- 
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From: chuck@ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Peter Meehan
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:35:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Oct14.113521.26952
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Originator: chuck@fourier

I was reading the 25th anniversary issue of _The Advocate_ yesterday and
noticed a name of a college friend among the names of people who have died
of AIDS.  The name was Peter Meehan.

It's been 20 years since I last talked with Pete.  At that time, I was not
even out to myself much less my friends.  Neither one of us dated anyone 
during our two years of sharing an apartment in Des Moines.  We were 
conveniently super-involved in professional and volunteer activities.

The bottom line is that I am not sure whether or not the Peter Meehan who
died of AIDS is the same Peter Meehan I knew.  I have no personal contacts
with anyone who may know.  So I'm sending this request to the net.

If anyone can identify the Peter Meehan who died of AIDS, I would appreciate
some clarification via email.  Below are some stats about the Pete Meehan
I knew.

Hometown:  Des Moines, IA
Current age:  ~ 43
Undergrad: Iowa State University, 1968-72
Fraternity: Sigma Nu
Height: ~5'7"
Interests:  Journalism, economics, international justice

Thanks.

-- 
Chuck Collins				Product Software Engineering
chuck@pixel.kodak.com			Eastman Kodak Company
(716)726-9461				901 Elmgrove Road
					Rochester, NY  14653-5811
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealousy?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:24:48 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <douse@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)  
writes:
> I apologise to Anthony Berno.  I was in a rotten mood yesterday, and I
> let fly too readily.

Well, we *all* have our hot buttons. :-)

> When I saw:
> >>Boring.  Destructive.  Divisive.  Dumb.  Futile.  Immature.
> >>Irrational.  Irritating.  Laughable.  Ridiculous.  Unnecessary.
> >>Unwanted.  Useless.
> >>
> >>And, for me, at least....
> >>
> >>Nonexistent.
> I couldn't help reading it as saying "I don't suffer from romantic
> jealousy, and those who do are boring, irritating, laughable, etc."
> It still seems to me that this is what Anthony is saying, and while it
> hardly merits the harsh words I used, I think he could afford to be a
> bit more sympathetic.

Yes and no. I should elaborate a bit... there was once a time, when I was  
young and foolish and terribly romantic, that I thought such things as  
romantic jealousy were a *good* thing, and that one *should* subscribe to  
the high-drama teenage-romance-novel model of love.

Boy, did I get over that one in a hurry.

(Of course, I don't mean the rather pleasant "Geez, I wish I was doing  
that too..." kind of jealousy. I refer to the "I *KEEEEEL* you" variety.)

The original poster asked what adjectives I associate with romantic  
jealousy; to make a point, I slightly twisted the question around, and  
described not what romantic jealousy *is*, but my *opinion* of it. Harsh  
or not, I don't have a particularly high opinion of the phenomenon;  
feeling jealous does not make one bad person, you understand - it's just  
that, having recognized it for what it was, jealousy ceased to be a part  
of my repertoire. My relationships are *so* much better without it... I  
wouldn't apply all of my adjectives to those who suffer from jealousy  
themselves, but I do believe that the jealousy per se is a complete waste  
of emotional energy.


-Anthony

PS. Thank you, Furr, for putting in a good word for me. 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Am I Going Crazy?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:22:51 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.4.718602516.mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Marc V Conte <mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>	Les Wexner, owner of The Limited and outed by Larry Kramer at Vito
>Russo's funeral, last month announced his engagement to a female lawyer from
>New York.  The TV news anchors announced this with a smirk but never
>questioned it.

Not really.  Kinsey thought most people were bisexual.
Also not all people get married solely because of sexual attraction.  There
could be other reasons.  I know a fair number of GL who are married to motos
and have come to terms with it.
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: What we can do (was Re: WARNING:...)
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:59:21 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (jenneke)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct14.232859.24149@PacBell.COM> 
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>  Just because you and the other white people you
>know don't actively persecute people of color, do you really
>believe that you're not accomplices in the system that does?

No. I understand that I benefit from white privilege. I understand that I
benefit from middle class privilege. I understand that I benefit from
northern European privilege. Fine. But even understanding all that doesn't
tell me how I can help those who don't or what to demand ('equality' being 
all too subject to being dismissed as 'you already have it') from those who
benefit from male privilege, straight privilege, upper class privilege, etc.

So let's have some suggestions!

My contributions:
What I could do if my grades wouldn't suffer irremediably:
I could tutor math, science, ESL at the junior high school across the street.
I could volunteer at a shelter/soup kitchen/AIDS ward.
I could tutor at Columbia's Double Discovery Center.

What I wish for:
Not to be told my major is easy because there are other women in it.
Not to be told that I won't succeed at my major because I'm female/queer.

-jenneke

My biggest budget problem is food:
My stomach wants four meals a day.
My budget wants two.
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:17:06 GMT
Organization: -

In article <1992Oct8.052505.26438@spdcc.com>, 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.042755.27873@netcom.com> 
> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>>> Today we learned that Greg Parkinson and Arne Adolphson
>>>> graduated high school the same year that I did. I believe Melinda
>>>> did, too, and Mr. Cr*mer as well.  
>>>Yes, I knew about ******.  I think Jack Hamilton graduated 
>>>the year before us.  
>>Older but wiser?  Age before beauty? 
> 
> If my arithmetic and memory is right, you're all talking about '74.
> That would make Jack and me class of '73, meaning (in the case of
> Cr*m*r only):
> 
> Pearls before swine.
> 

I was in the class of '73 too.  I can't wait to see next summer what
all those fat-assed kickers that I went to high school with in Houston
turned out like after 20 years.

Actually, I think I have a pretty good idea what they turned out like. 
As near as I can figure, Homer Simpson was also in the class of '73. 
The *big clue* was in a flashback to Homer and Marge's H.S.
graduation.  Homer was driving around in a powder blue Dodge Duster
singing "I am the Gangster of Love".  This convinced me that my 
personal theory was true -- the Homer Simpson character is based on
someone I went to high school with.

(For those too young to know, in the early 70's a Dodge Duster was the
place where many allegedly groovy heterosexuals had their first sexual
experiences and several months later used it to drive away on their
honeymoons.)

Jim (feeling lucky to have escaped)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: move
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:23:25 GMT

First of all, thank you for the best wishes for me and my new house.

I'd like to correct one impression though: somebody wrote me that it
was incredibly butch for me to move my stuff by body-power alone. It
may be butch, but I must add that I managed to add a touch of total
FJ.  You see, it took two rides to move most of my stuff, and on the
second ride, I didn't drive the tricycle, but my friend Merijn did.
Rutger and Elisabeth both carried a small box on their bikes, and I
took the biggest item that we could move without a van left.

Imagine a tube of cloth, about a foot and half wide, almost twice as
long as a standard bed, filled with cushion-stuffing. This thing I
would put on my bed every day, after I had made it, so the bed could
double as a sofa by day. There was only one way to carry this humungous
thing on a bike to my new adress: I draped it around my neck like a
feathered boa. The thing was three times too big to qualify as such,
but that didn't stop me from taking on the attitude to go with a boa.
The rest of my attire were just jeans and flannel and messy hair.

So I was cycling next to Elizabeth with Merijn behind us. Suddenly this
car overtakes us really fast and double-parks a couple of meters in
fron of us, blocking a big part of the street. That annoyed me, because
that meant that we had to drive over the space normally allocated for
the tram, and that is elevated a couple of inches, like the sidewalk.
That isn't a problem for anybody, except for Merijn on the big bulky
tricycle. That was _my_ stuff on that thing.

So this man gets out of the car and start doing something with a
camera. I was struggeling with the tube that was getting between my
knees and the steering handle.

So I'm wondering: "What the hell is this guy taking photogr...uhh..
nah, he wouldn't..guess so...ok dear, let's give him a grin". I whizzed by,
coyly grinning from ear to ear. I heard Elizabeth laughing somewhere in
the background. All very FJ.

							FJ!!
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:21:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Donald Agarrat and Howard Solomon --

I ask again:

SHORTEN YOUR LINES, BOYS, THEY'RE TOO LONG.

Thank you.

You may resume banging your heads against the conceptual wall.

Dominick Zurlo, your lines are right on the verge of overflow.
If you'll shorten your lines to about 75 columns, it will not
not make your articles more readable, but it will make
responding to them easier, too.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Inter-Racial Homosexual Relationships on DONAHUE [Tuesday?]
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:58:45 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
> The show is focussing on racism in the homosexual community directed at 
> inter-racial couples. It's not clear if Derrick and Jason will be on the stage
> or just featured in the audience.
> 

I assume the sequel to this adventure will feature interracial gay
relationships where one of the partners is a gay, black, /*Canadian*/.

Hmmm? :)



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor <> Long Beach, California
[] mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us <or> mikebat@qdeck.com
From: jcfh@st-andrews.ac.uk (James Charles Fraser Harvey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:11:54 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

Dear Donald,

I am white.  I live in Britain.

I get the impression I can do no right.

If I just sit around, trying to be generally nice to everyone, I stand
condemned:


In article <1992Oct13.171922.7881@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>Try MOST do and some do not, because if you aren't doing anything in your own
>little world to CORRECT those past fallacies that enable you to live so well
>and free, you're contributing more than a Klansman to the problem.

But I get the impression that you feel I can never understand your point of
view, can never do anything that will not be seen as condescending.
This isn't me just trying to be bitchy.  PLEASE, will you, or anyone, suggest
a course of action here?

Trying to understand

James
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS Fund/PAC
Keywords: gay political action, PAC
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:59:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.165913.20869
Organization: insert anything here

cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>The Economist for Oct 3-9 discusses an informal group of gays who meet
>once a month in LA to "discuss...how they can put their money, and 
>their friends' money, to use supporting political candidates."  The 
>group known as ANGLE hopes to have raised $1.5m for Clinton by the 
>election.  There seems to be little doubt that gay money donated for 
>political purpose can have great effect.

	If every adult gay and lesbian person in thge US put
aside $1.00 every week, in one year, we'd
raise close to $1,000,000,000.00
(Yes, that's a billion $$$).

	Every year.

	That would take care of a lot of problems.

	There are very few people in the US who cannot afford
this level of contribution.  Certainly it's less than a lot
of things: a pack of cigarettes, a beer, a slice aof pizza...

	Of course if every US citizen put aside the same amount,
the debt would be gone in 4 years.  (Thast sounds like a great Awar
cry to me...)

BBC