From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:43:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.042920.25539@leland.Stanford.EDU> infiniti@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Chung-Yih Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.003815.13954@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>
>>	Interesting! Are you from Taiwan? If you are from Taiwan, then
>>	I dunno why you doubt about the first point. Policemen in Taiwan
>>	might not be the best in the world, but I think they are definitely
>>	above average. (Better than U.S. police, I would say) Second, I
>>	didn't say I am happy to see anyone beaten by anyone else, but if
>>	that "poor guy" insult my country, I won't beat him (or her) up, 
>>	but I won't try to rescue him if he got beaten by some one else. 
>>	I don't believe that you feel good if someone insult your parents
>>	or families in front of you, so what does this imply?
>
>First of all, I quote:
>>>> But if anyone in the same place say "I hate R.O.C.", ha, you might be
>>>> beaten by people to death unless policemen come and rescue you.
>
>Enough said about how you are NOT happy to see someone beaten by your fellow
>"patriots." Yes, I am from Taiwan. Yes, I have personally seen cops beat my
>friends up during student demonstrations. No, my friends' names are not Li
>Peng. No, the newspapers and TV news said nothing about the cops beating up
>people. Dunno about the "above average" part, either... at least US cops are
>in big trouble now but Taiwanese cops are still seen as "the protectors of the
>people." 

	Sounds like you are the only one who graduated from university
	in Taiwan who has friends beaten by police there. No news report,
	no TV report, not even evidence? If your friend obeyed the law and
	still got beaten by police, he must be crazy or nut not going for
	a law suit and ask for government compensation. If he didn't obey
	the law, then there's this kind of possability that he could be
	hurt during the process of arrestment. But what could we say about 
	this then? I know that there are some bad policemen in Taiwan, as 
	there are some in Canada or any other countries, but I still 
	believe that most of the policemen in Taiwan are just like all
	other government workers, they are doing their best to execute the
	law and protect our citizens.

>	In addition, I don't quite think cops have a right to decide not to
>rescue somebody being assaulted. Of course I'm not asking YOU to rescue the
>guy... if you're nice enough you can stay away from attacking him, that's all
>I can ask from an ordinary citizen. But there's got to be someone to rescue the
>*poor guy* being beat up by a lot of people. (You seem to suggest that since 
>this guy says something against your opinion, he deserves to be beaten to a 
>pulp by righteous citizens.) That means the cops; and they're getting PAID to 
>do it, not to join the effort to beat us up. No matter what they think about 
>the guy and what he says.
>

	If someone said something against my own opinion, I can't either
	beat him up or ask someone to beat him up, it's against the law
	as well as human right. BUT, if someone said something insulting
	my country, then as I said, I wouldn't beat him up, but I wouldn't
	show any sympathy if he got beaten by angry people. Note here,
	ROC is not my opinion, it's my country, see the difference? And
	you seems to have some prejudice against police in Taiwan, what
	makes you think that police won't rescue a guy under that kind of
	situation? 

>>	Last of all, the question you asked shows that you have no
>>	idea what friendship is. You certainly don't have to please
>>	your friends by memorizing their nationalities. And normally
>>	chatting with your friends, you wouldn't keep on mention your
>>	nationality as well, unless you are someone like that Scott kid.
>>	Well, if you are someone like the Scott kid, then I think you can
>>	only have friends like Li-peng then...;^)
>
>	Don't even feel like arguing with you on this. You just know so much
>more in life than I do. And soo much more about friendship, too, that you can
>judge me by my political belief.
>
>							Richard Lee
>Hong2 Lou2 Tsai2 Zi3 Gai4 Tien1 Hsia4.
>Go Card! There's no place like here.
	
	???????
	Did I? 
	

	Paul (there's no place like home) T.Y. Shih


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