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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Destiny of Michael Sweet?
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:58:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Texas

In <92220.130633EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy) writes:


>   Amidst all the rumors of Michael Sweet going solo, has anyone heard for sure
> yet what the deal is with this solo-minded individual? Is he just gonna leave
> his brother out to dry along with the rest of the band??? Please let me know
>.....thanks.

>                                     -Ed

I saw Michael Sweet on Real Videos on TBN about 2 months ago and he
discussed his reasons for leaving Stryper.  He said that he was doing
what he felt was God's will in going solo.  There wasn't ant type of 
"falling out" with the rest of the band (as I have heard some people
speculate off the net).  As a matter of fact I think he said that he
was goind to use some of the guys on his solo album coming up.

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From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Satan as Heaven's Worship Leader
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:05:17 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

(Pant, pant, gasp, gasp) Okay, here it is.  After experiencing lack of
sleep, malignant and chronic confusion topped off by bleeding eyeballs,
I have _Finally_ found something in regards to Linda Marie Campetillo's
question regarding references to Satan-As-Being-In-Charge-of-Music-In-
Heaven.

First, despite much looking, there are no references to the above in the
Apocrypha, as I originally thought (that'll teach me to open my big 
mouth).  I learned lots of interesting things from reading a lot of the
Apocrypha over the weekend, and there were a few _very_ shady (so shady
that I won't even quote them) references to Satan and music, but nothing
even close to convincing.

I DID, however, finally find a reference that could CONCEIVABLY be used
in support of the above.  Let me first say, though, that anyone that 
comes to you and says, "you know, it's clear in Scripture that Satan 
directed music in Heaven" -can't be telling the truth, cos it ain't thar!

On to my reference, though.  It is found in Isaiah 14.

The passage starts off in verse 4, which says "you will take up this taunt
against the king of Babylon and say".  Now, even though this is supposedly
said TO the king of Babylon, it is apparent later in the chapter that Satan
is being spoken of - "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the 
morning, son of the dawn!  You have been cut down to the earth...You said
in your heart, I will ascend to heaven, I will raise my throne above the
stars of God...I will make myself like the Most High" (vv. 12-14)

Give that this is in all likelihood speaking of Satan (after all, who else
has attained to Godhood and fallen from heaven?), we come to the section
of the chapter that is being used by those who make the above assertion:

"They will respond and say to you, 'Even you have been made weak as we, You
have become like us. _Your pomp and the music of your harps_ have been 
brought down to Sheol..." (vv. 10,11).

Now, I am sure this is the verse that Marie's friend bases her claim on.
It is apparent that that this passage _could_ be used to make such an
assertion, but it is far from conclusive.  After all, David played a harp,
and as far as we know, EVERYBODY in heaven plays a harp!

I would shy away from claiming this as Gospel.  Hope this has helped some.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:33:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.113910.29308@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.182908.896@news.cs.brandeis.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>>One CANNOT assign the traits of individuals to objects!
>
>I'd hate to be the one to tell God that.  He again and again condemned the
>Isrealites for fashioning idols (objects).  To God, anyway, these "objects"
>carried traits that he didn't want them messing with.  By the same token,
>musical pieces may just be "objects", but the individuals that made them
>along with their content certainly CAN be assigned traits.
>

I doubt that it was the object itself that God objected to, i.e.
I don't think there is anything wrong with a statue of a cow.  What
he objected to was that the people were worshipping a false god.  
As you say, he condemned the Israelites -- people -- for making and
worshipping the idols.

John
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:54:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Texas

In <1992Aug17.183949.4270@news.cs.brandeis.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) writes:

>I was just reading in Romans 15 that NOTHING is unclean in itself.  It's only
>how we take it as individuals.  To say that oscillations of air molecules have
>associated moral/ethical concepts has always been amusing to me.  The same
>goes for assigning ethical beliefs to instituions.  I have heard many say that
>"Stairway to Heaven" is a Satanic song.  I'm always moved by what I perceive
>as its Christian message ("there are two roads you can go by and there's still
>time to change the road you're on...").  The morality is in how YOU take it.

>  -- Scott @Brandeis

"Stairway" is considered to be a classic example of a song with backward
messages dealing with Satan.  Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin is an avowed
follower of Alistair (sp?) Crowley's writings.  I can't remember exactly
what "Stairway" says backwards as I have lent mt tape of its message to
a friend but it is most definitely satanic.

--
Keith
drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu
From: peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke)
Subject: King's X questions
Reply-To: peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke)
Organization: Dictionary of Old English Project, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:53:41 GMT


Two questions i have regarding King's X:

	1) could someone send me the lyrics to their latest album.
	2) on some of their previous albums there is a skyline in the
		background. What city is it?

Thanks,

Peter.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: I would like some terms explained.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:31:48 GMT

oakes@rstg.mot.com (Ronald Oakes) writes:

>I would like some definitions for some of the terms that are used to
>describe different styles of belief in the Christian church.  I will include
>my understanding of these.  I would also appreciate some examples of "well
>known" churches (national organization) that fall under these styles:

[Fundamentalist and reform(ed) stuff deleted]

>Charismatic:

>-- I know that charisma is related to a person's ability to be believed or
>followed.

Actually, the word "charismatic" is related not to "charisma", but to the
Greek word "charismata", which has to do with spiritual gifts.
Charismatics believe that the spiritual gifts (like those discussed in
1 Corinthians 12) are to be used today.

>Evangelical:

>-- I know that the verb "to evangelize" has a similar meaning to the verb
>"to preach."

Andy and Stacey are having an interesting discussion on the words
"fundamentalist" and "evangelical".  I'd take your definition of
"fundamentalist" and stick it in under "evangelical" as well.

>As an obligatory music question, where do most of the Christian Music
>listeners fall in the above.

Myself, I'm an evangelical who embraces the spiritual gifts -- part of the
"Third Wave Movement", a term which hasn't really caught on outside of the
Third Wave.  It's also called the "Signs & Wonders Movement", particularly
by those who are opposed to it.

>Also, did I leave off any similar categories?

Holiness.  (A definition, please, from someone in a Holiness church?)
-- 
Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Backmasking (was Is music amoral??)
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:26:57 GMT

In article <drice.714211636@ponder>, drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice) writes:

|> I have heard examples of Godly reverse message in Christian music.  But
|> what I want to know is why there aren't any examples of Godly backward
|> messages in secular music?  (At least that I know of.)

  As someone mentioned before, Prince's "Purple Rain" had approximately
the following message backmasked on it:

   "Hello. How are you? I'm fine because I know the Lord is coming soon."

Or fairly close to that. I think Prince can safely be called "secular".


|> Keith

-- Tim
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:51:08 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug13.144317.22359@meaddata.com>, mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:

|> newsgroup?  Where would it belong? What should it be called,
|> rec.music.christian.tangent?  ;)

And by the way, what newsgroup would be appropriate to post a regional
announcement for a christian musical similar to (well, exactly like) this?

;-)

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                  Sunday Performance: August       16th,  7:00 pm
  At the Faith Evangelical Free Church 5910 Price Road Milford, Ohio
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 Directions:  @15 miles NE of Cincinnati

 Take I-75/I-71 to I-275 West, exit at Rt 28, Milford, turn right on Rt 28,
 take immediate right on MacClellen, follow to the end and turn right
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: I would like some terms explained.
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:18:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.170957.24141@spider.co.uk>, alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug18.153753.7289@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
|> >:
|> >:
|> >:Evangelical:
|> >:
|> >:-- I know that the verb "to evangelize" has a similar meaning to the verb
|> >:"to preach."
|> >:
|> >
|> >This is a label tagged to those churchs which put a primary emphasis on
|> >the scriptures of Christ telling his discipes to go into all the world
|> >and make disciples.  The churchs train their members to go into the
|> >communities of the world and knock on doors, present television and radio
|> >broadcasts, print literature, etc. and present the challenges of the gospel
|> >to people and inviting them to come to Christ.  Some do so in a more 
|> >militant manner than others.
|> >
|> >Again, I do not know what a church emphasising something other than the
|> >sharing of the gospel would be labeled.
|> >
|> 
|> Either this is a difference in UK/US usage or you're not quite right
|> here.
|> 
|> What you describe above is "evangelism" not "evangelicalism".
|> Evangelicals (mostly) are distinguished by their relience on scripture
|> (rather than tradition, for example).  They are often quite
|> intellectually oriented, and there's a lot of emphasis on Bible study
|> and prayer.  
|> 
|> Alison W.

Interesting.  I go to an "Evangelical Free" Church in Ohio, and both
those descriptions fit pretty well.  Bible study is emphasized
heavily, but our % participation in home fellowship/bible studies
groups isn't as high as I'd expect for the emphasis placed on it.

I don't know about anyone from my church "knocking on doors"...
wouldn't call us militant, either (hope not!), but I admit I'm still
getting to know my fellow church members.  Our church also seems to
emphasize love and counseling... lots of talk about "dysfunction" and
"co-dependency" and "grace"...  that's why I think it would be kind of
hypocritical for members of my church to be militant about evangelizing.

I'm sure some ev church somewhere is that way, though.

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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: "Man in the Box" what's it about?about
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:59:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <18AUG199218573312@rosie.uh.edu> mece2b1@rosie.uh.edu (Meyers, David C.) writes:
>Has anybody ever figured out what the song "Man in the Box" is about by
>alice in chains? I was just wondering...to me it sounds like the singer is
>feeling kicked around and just down and out? The only reason I thought this
>had any relevance to this group is because of the reference to Jesus Christ... 

Well, the only lyrics i've been able to make out are 'Jesus Christ,' 
'ay-yi-yi-yi-yi...,' and 'deny your maker.'  The video has copious shots of
guys in ominous-looking hooded black robes, and lots of shots of goat's 
heads.  Draw your own conclusions :-)

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: R.M.C. Desert Island Quiz #2
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:54:25 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

sdeering@athena.mit.edu (Scott E Deering) writes:
: Welcome to the second annual rec.music.christian Desert Island Quiz!
: *************************************************************************
: 
: Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
: with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
: that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
: any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
: in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.
: 
		Artist or Group			Album		
1.    Amy Grant					Lead Me On                     
2.    Kim Hill					Brave Heart           
3.    Margaret Becker				Steps Of Faith        
4.    Sam Philips				Cruel Inventions             
5.    Leslie Philips				The Turning        
6.    The Innocent Mission			Umbrella             
7.    Susan Ashton				Awakened By The Wind        
8.    Chris Eaton				Vision        
9.    Kathy Troccoli				Pure Attraction                 
10.   At The Foot Of The Cross			Clouds, Rain, Fire         

: 
: Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a bottle)
: that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or groups of your choice;
: which artists would you want to catch up on?
: 
: 		Artist

1. Amy Grant                            6.
2. Kathy Troccoli                       7.
3. Sam Philips                          8.
4. Chris Eaton                          9.
5. Kenny Marks                          10.

: Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which has the 
: best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had a choice, which 
: artist or group would you choose?

1.  Amy Grant         
2.  Sam Philips       
3.  Kathy Troccoli       
4.  Chris Eaton       
5.  Charlie Peacock       

: 
: Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
: groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
: its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what songs 
: would you want them to play?
: 

1.  Amy Grant
2.  Charlie Peacock



Rodney Ho

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From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com ( John Salmi )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:31:31 GMT
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Denver

In article <86734@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>
>I have the same reaction to singing along with Rich Mullins, "Our God
>Is an Awesome God" or "Sometimes by Step."  That speedometer just zips
>right up there.  I should probably just listen to Bach when I drive. ;-)

:-)

funny - that happens to me listening to bach.  

for road music, i prefer danny daniels' "might savior" type tunes.  the
speedometer has a tendancy to creep up for me also.  maybe NPR talk radio?

:-)

>
>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
>
>Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.
>            -- J. Danforth Quayle  


-- 
John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

Last night, as I lay awake in bed looking at the stars, I asked myself:
                     Where the heck is my roof?
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE AMY THREADS! (MATW blurb, too)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:48:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.132022.18862@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.032737.6157@cs.rose-hulman.edu> pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
>>
>>
>>I'm just saying, as a newsgroup, there is a LOT BETTER to talk about than  
>>Amy Grant.  This debate has been raging ever since I started reading this  
>>group a year ago.  It's about time everybody agreed to disagree and moved  
>>on.  THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT STUFF.  Let Amy live Amy's life.  You live your  
>>own life.  My salvation is more than enough for me to worry about as is.
>>
>
>   There are other topics which are a LOT BETTER to talk about than 
>  Amy Grant? That's a personal opinion. Perhaps Amy is THE most important
>  topic in the world.... (though not my position)
>
>   THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT STUFF ?? 
>   I profoundly disagree. This issue of 'career v. ministry,' 
>   'what makes christian music christian' and 'how should a christian
>   act in the world' (well, ok, three issues) is EXTREMELY important,
>   and are perennial issues. 
>
>   It's important to talk about these things now and then. Now perhaps we
>   we have talked about enough for _now_.

Yeah, besides which, who said everything on this group had to be of
grave, life or death consequence? Maybe we need a
rec.music.christian.very.very.serious newsgroup  ;-)
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: radio station search
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Aug13.195021.1@woods.ulowell.edu> sicotted@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>Does anyone know of a local radio station I've missed?  I'd prefer Christian
>rock or C.C.M., but I'd be interested to know about any stations in my
>range that plays Christian stuff.  I spend a lot of time listening to the
>radio, and it would be cool if the music I'm listening to could be as 
>uplifting to my spirit as it is fun to hear.

Well, since I'm obviously not from Lowell, I can't talk about local radio.
However, as I posted a while back, there is a new TV Cable service called
DMX (Digital Music Express) which hooks to your stereo.  The cost in my
area is $9.95 a month.  It has 30 channels, all commercial free, 24 hours
a day.  It does have 1 channel of CCM and from what I've heard, it is 
pretty decent and they do rotate the music on a regular basis.  They also
have 4 or 5 classical stations.  The other 24 or 25, I'm not sure about.
Contact your local cable operator...

>
>Thanks.
>In Christ,
>Dana
>
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noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Needed:  "Choose Life" by Debby Boone
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:06:27 GMT

    I'm trying to get my hands on a copy of Debby Boone's "Choose Life"
CD.  Anyone knows where I could get it from?  Or anyone who wants to
sell his/her copy of the CD?  I'm looking for the CD.

    Thanx in advance


RodneyH
From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Barry)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: King's X questions
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:05:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug19.060509.18273
Organization: Western Washington University

peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke) writes:


>Two questions i have regarding King's X:

>	1) could someone send me the lyrics to their latest album.

The complete lyrics to the latest album will be included in the
next issue of the King's X email newsletter, "The Silent Planet".

To subscribe, just drop me a line!

If you have anything interesting to say about about band that
you think others might find interesting please, include that
too!

-BarryB
 n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu
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