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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:05:12 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) says:

>Ok, I prefer a stick over an auto ANYDAY!  They are flat out more fun to 
>drive... HOWEVER...
>
>autos should be used by ..
>
>A> "new" drivers.  Learning the road with an auto can make one a bit more at 
>ease.. as its one less thing you must do.  Later like a year or so down the 
>road.. learn stick..

WRONG!!...that is what drivers ed is for..this is why they should be taught
in sticks...after you learn to do it all in a stick..the autos are a piece
of cake!...going auto to stick is quite a traumatizing experience..much more
so than going stick to auto.

>B> Old folks.  Less reflexs, more movement, perhaps hip problems...

agree..but only on THEIR choice.

>C> People who are in traffic most of the time.
same as B>
>D> People who just dont ENJOY driving, or having TOTAL control over thier 
>car.
debatable, as we have seen...i agree..also at their choice..

DREW  
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From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japanese "inspections" (was Re: GM's sickness)
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:22:40 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

>
>Second, the US standards are *far* stricter than Japanese standards in
>pollution and safety measures. So if a car (ANY car) can be certified in
>the US it is very likely it can meet anyone else's standards.
>
>Unfortunately, (up until recently at least), Japanese insisted on inspecting
>INDIVIDUAL cars. Winning this 'concession' was hailed as a major achievment
>of last year's presidential trip.
>
>Spiros (own opinions, of course :-))



Well two can play at that game.
Why doesn't the US insist on inspecting EVERY individual Jap car??
(and in typical Japanese fashion assign only one inspector)






--
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Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
From: alau@unixg.ubc.ca (Alaric Lik Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: MOMO
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:52:44 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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Keywords: momo

If any of your netter out there are interested in all the MOMO stuff,
send me an email: alau@unixg.ubc.ca
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:58:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.Nov13.095830.15395
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <BxMypw.6CE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>Doesn't the Carrera 2 at least have a good ol'fashioned mechanical LSD?  I
>suppose it could be Torsen, but I'm pretty sure it's not computer controlled.

I am 100% sure that it is not torsen or ol' fashioned LSD.  I am also
100% sure it is not VC.  I am 99.99% sure that it is the PSK clutch.
(don't have my sources in front of me right now).  BTW, they are also
using it in the 928 version XVIIXV whatever.


eliot
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jsmigels@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judeman Hockeynut)
Subject: Re: Info wanted on leasing vs buying
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:32:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.224406.29102@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Sriram Sankar) writes:


>LEASING:
>
>The leasing company pays the dealer $Z = $X + registration.  Note that no sales tax is
>involved.  The lease parameters are the term, the residual value, and the money factor.
>The residual value is fixed based on the car - i.e., this cannot be negotiated.  The
>term may be negotiated.  In any case, plugging these parameters into a formula results
>in a monthly payment.  I do not know what this formula is.  The monthly payment is really
>a car rental fee, and to this tagged on a use tax.  So although you save sales tax,
>you pay the use tax.  At the end of the lease, you pay the residual amount and officially
>this is when you buy the car.  So you have to pay the sales tax on the residual amount.

This is where you are wrong.  If you decide to purchase the car for the 
residual at the end of the lease you don't pay sales tax on the residual, you
pay it on the original purchase price.  This is what most finance people at 
dealerships don't like to tell you, because it is a big negative.

Leases are usually only good if you trade in your car every couple or so years,
where if you financed you would be "upside down" on a traditional purchase 
loan.  Also, leases can be good if you use the car for your business and then
you can write-off some or all of the monthly payment.

Judi



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@cherokee.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Car Insurance Laws
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:43:21 GMT

cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) asks:

> 2) are there forms of insurance for only occasional
>    driving (i.e. say you only drive about 2 weeks out of a year?)
>    I realize there is no way to prove this, so that is why I wondered
>    if you could do this somehow. 

I used to have insurance that offered low mileage rates.  (ie.  if you 
drove less than 3,000 miles per year)  Of course, your risk of accident
may be lower by driving less miles, your risk of car theft might be a
little higher - if your car is frequently in some conspicuous place for
days on end.  

I would argue, however, that if you only drive a car for two weeks out of
the year, you rent a car at that time and use the rental car place's
insurance.  I have a thirteen year-old car, a great driving record, am over
30 years old, live in a low insurance-rate-state, and I still pay $450
per year for full coverage.  I can rent a car for about three weeks with
unlimited mileage for that.  (A much better car at that.)  In addition,
if you own a car that is worth about $1000 you are forfeiting about $50
in after-tax income that you could use for renting (about).  

There are also additional per-mile maintenance costs associated with an
occasionally-driven car.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Noise when turning left -- mitigates when applying brake. Huh?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:17:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs) says:

>
>probably your CV joints on the front axle.  time for a new car!

whoa!!..why so drastic??.why can't they just be changed?..is 
there something that i'm missing(like the fact that you hate
dodge, or just the ohmni, for example)or is there an actual
physical reason that they couldn't just be changed (like..
maybe they are welded on??...)just curious..i'd have recommended
getting new ones, or regreasing the olds.('cept, i imagine they are
beyond that)..just wondering
DREW
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Air bag tests
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:31:36 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
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lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:
>From a local paper: Air Bags offer best protection, test show

The newest Motor Trend has a "Top Ten" article which includes the top
ten cars with the lowest driver head injuries (I was impressed to find
that mine was one of them).  There are a number of other
safety-related top-ten lists too.

Cars with air-bags had a remarkable number (nearly all) of the top-ten
safety spots for driver head injuries and driver chest injuries.
Passenger injury statistics showed no such obvious trend (perhaps
because few cars have two air bags, although my feeling is that the
driver needs it more because of the steering wheel).

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: shawn@panix.com (Shawn Herzinger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Valentine R. D. Shipping delays
Keywords: Valentine ONe
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:32:45 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I just ordered a Valentine One Radar Detector based on the
1st place finish in the Oct. Car and Driver.  The lady on
the phone told me that orders taken now (Nov. 9) will be
shipping in June!  That's a hell of a backlog.



shawn@panix.com
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Need Advice (URGENTLY) !!!!!!!!!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:05:04 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>
>>will become Ford.  Jag has a well deserved reputation for poor quality.
>>Ford is trying to change that.  (while maintaing the Jag classy styling)
>
In article <CARL.92Nov5132741@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>I haven't had a laugh as good as this one in quite some time.  Ford,
>trying to teach another company how to improve quality....
>HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH
>
     Well, in the case of Ford and Jaguar, yes, it would be
     appropriate.   After all, a first grader can teach a
     kindergartner SOMETHING.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: rabbits@carson.u.washington.edu (Adolf Maas)
Subject: Re: HYUNDAIS ON FIRE!!!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:50:09 GMT

>Hi, An interesting query. Recently I have had Two differnt friends
>have their Hyundai Ponies(?) catch fire....has anyone (god forbid!)
>experienced something similar or know of anyone who has had a simlar
>problem--this seems like too much of a coincidence for me.

Sounds like a hell of a coincidence!  I've got an 86, with loads of miles
on the original, and no fires yet (just wait until I drive home tonight!)-
but there was a recall on some type of stupid valve, that if it wasn't
replaced, could cause a fire.  I think it was on the 85-87 or 88's.  You
may want to check with a dealer.  (They also had a recall on a retainer
pin on the front disk brakes- did they have trouble stopping before they
caught afire? ;-)

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From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

Keywords: 
In article <1ddo31INN2h3@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee) writes:

>Michael G. Mshar writes:

>  As for structural integraty, all the body panels really do is give the car
>  its looks and make for its aerodynamics. Unlike other automobiles, the
>  Saturn has a steel cage frame that simply has the body panels attched to
>  it. So assuming this cage frame is structually sound, I would say that the
>  car is just as strong as any other car this size.

The name for this system is "space-frame" construction.  It is used almost
exclusively in racing cars.

>                                                   The best comparison I can
>  think of is an airplane. An airplane is simply a frame structure that is
>  covered with body panels for aerodynamics and looks. Same thing for the
>  Saturn. 

Airplanes are _not_ spaceframe, at least none that I know of.  They are
monocoque (unitized).

>As for airplanes, the skin is not just for good looks and aerodynamics.
>It is an integral part of the structure.  Without the skin taking some
>of the stress, the frame would not have enough strength to still fly!

Most planes are what the Europeans call "monocoque" construction.  In the
US we call it "unitized" or "unit-body", sometimes shorted to "unibody",
and it is the way most all cars are built in the US and Europe, except for
a tiny handful that are still body-on-frame, where the subframe carries
the whole structural requirement, and the body just "rides" on top of it,
and a somewhat larger handful of space-frame cars, like the Saturns.  The
body-on-frame cars are the Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis,
the Lincoln Town Car, and the Chevy Caprice/Buick Roadmaster/Cadillac
Brougham.  Most larger pickups and sport-utes (like the Suburban) are
body-on-frame, as well, though many smaller ones are unibody.  Space frame
cars are mostly GM: the GM minivans, the Saturns, the Corvette, etc.
The Fiero used to be.

>I'm not sure about the structure on a unibody car, don't know how much
>or if the body panels. 

Unibody _does_ depend on those panels, but frame and spaceframe vehicles
do not.  That's why the Fiero, which was space-frame, and the VW and Pinto,
which were frame, are so popular for kit cars.  Unibody cars make it _real_
hard to take the skin off.  I can only think of a couple of unibody cars
that have rebody kits (mostly GM F-cars).

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: a57m@quads.uchicago.edu (miroslaw tadeusz sochanski)
Subject: GMC Suburban truck to buy!
Reply-To: a57m@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:36:53 GMT

Subject: Re: opinions wanted:  CHEVY/GMC SUBURBAN


I've got it in July 92, I have 4000 miles on it, about 30% of it was
off the road on Ponny Express Trail, jeep roads around Salt Lake City
/since from June I live in Utah/. The purchase itself was a major pain
I was very limitted in time, and since those vehicles were in demand
bargaining was hard. I was able to get price down $1300 from a sticer 
price. My sticker price was 29 325.75. I have GMC, SLE equipment, air 
front & rear, tinted glass, tailgate, bucket seats, H.D. trailering, 
rear heater 6 ply 245/75R16 tires, among other options. 

>- K1500 (4 wheel drive) sounds good, K2500 probably will be to stiff 
for daily driving.  

>- 350 engine  I have it, it's very responsive on the road, I hit max
speed on odometer very easily /85 mph/

>- top Silverado trim - OK, slightly overloaded therefore less classy in
   looks comparing to Range Rover, but what can you expect from
   American designs? 

>- tailgate (instead of panel doors) more functional than panel doors
   I am 6'4" and I have no problems with reaching inside, it helps a
   lot for picniking, or just having a place to reload your gun.

>- front bucket seats - firm and comphy

>- on/off road tires  must - mine quite quiet on the highway. 

>- rear heat (but not rear air - I live in Colorado) - if you have
   family rear air a must, if you don't why do you need such large 
   vehicle?


Overall I love my GMC Suburban probably best think that happened to
me since I am in the US. I drove Explorer, sit in Cherokee, Toyota
Landcruser, Range Rover all of them were either too small or 
underpowered.

BTW My truck had 2 small defects - chipped paint
on top of passenger doors, and drivers window was rattling on the way 
down due to folded rubber washer/ I cut it off and is fixed/.


>Randy Marks

Mirek Sochanski

The Church is near but the road is icy;
the bar is far away but I will walk carefully.





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From: steve.dunham@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (STEVE LEE DUNHAM)
Subject: Re: Corvette Turbo
Organization: The University of Utah
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.070750.10546@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth) writes:
>From: ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth)
>Subject: Corvette Turbo
>Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:07:50 GMT
>	Do Corvette's come in Turbo form? I was wondering if I could
>get a Corvette Turbo. Have they ever come with a Turbo?
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>-- 
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>The Ohio State University              We are sheltered under the gun
>Columbus State                         In the glory game on the power train
>CIS/History Major                      Thy's kingdom's will be done."-Rush

I've heard of the Sledgehammer which is a twin turbo modified vette
 "Road & Track Fastest Street Legal Cars 1990" the price and top speed are
both outrageous.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: Forgetting to Turn Off Headlights
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:40:27 GMT

kjell@midab.se (Kjell Kristiansson) writes:

>Here in Sweden we been using DRL for many years now. Normal behavior
>of the DRL system in our cars is like this:

>- off - headligths go on when altenator generates power. (In older
>        cars the votage to the lamps was redused to save the bulbs)
>- on  - headlights always on. If any door is opend a buzzer sounds 
>		(conected to the interior light)
>- park- parking (position) lights always on, no buzzer
>			   
>This works very good. The only problem is that we can not turn the headlight
>of when driving (but why should one). 

When I pull grain wagons to the elevator, it is very nice if you can shut
your lights off while you wait in line so that you don't blind the person
in front of you, but even more importantly, so that you don't blind the
guy unloading the wagons and trucks.  
Mark B.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:01:31 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <69267@cup.portal.com> Vision@cup.portal.com (Vision - Tester) writes:
>Stick vs. Auto:
>
>Not to mention, a tricked auto transmission will shifter faster than many
>people can dream of doing.  Even though autos weigh more than standards,
>they make up for it in the shifting time (and you get to watch the smoke
>rather than the screen)

   Actually on a big-iron power or supercar, a standard auto will
   shift faster than a human.  

   And on big turbo-honkers, an auto will always cream a stick
   coming off the line.  Just plant both feet on the floor, listen
   for the auto starting to strain, and remove the braking foot.   

   No way a stick can launch a turbo that fast.    

   But you'll notice that all of the arguments on the issue are from
   college kids too young to remember the Buick GNX,
   Turbo-Firebirds, STP Turbine Indy cars, BRM turbos, Chapparal,
   etc.  And I'd seriously doubt if they've ever been in a big
   honker, on a race track, or a drag strip.
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: help chrysler!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:43:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxB850.3Bv
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

"karim rahemat" <karim.rahemat@canrem.com> writes:

>RF>If this turns out to be the problem, let me know what your
>RF>mileage is.  I have an 87 Shadow with 70k miles on it, and
>RF>I am wondering if I should change the belt.

>No don't touch the timing belt until your mechanic feels he should change 
>it.  My car has 102k miles on it and haven't had the need to change 
>yet....

Be really careful about that...I can't even remember how many people I know 
who decided to wait until the timing belt caused a problem before replacing it,
only to discover that the first problem the timing belt causes is extra-
ordinarily expensive engine damage.  I'm not so sure about the Chryslers, but I
know that many cars with belts are designed in such a manner that if the belt
breaks, the pistons will run up into the (open) valves and break them off,
destroying the valves and chewing up the cylinder walls.  The timing belt
should be replaced at least as often as the manual calls for it.  The cost of
replacement is nothing compared to the rebuild you may need if it breaks.

$0.02



>Robert

>thanx
>karim rahemat

>P.S. Read the message I sent to DJM48887 explaining more of my findings.


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From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Minivan experiences
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:23:03
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
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In article <92314.160827KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:

   Also, you should keep in mind a Scorpio is a Merkur, very different from the
   American Ford.  I have read a few articles on the Merkur XR4TI and almost all
   clearly stated how hard it was to obtain service and esp. parts since the home
   office and plant is in Europe.

A Scorpio is a Ford, plain and simple, in England and Germany where
most are sold.  Only in this country were the MBAs smart enough to
give it the name of one of the Nazi's most brutal military operations
in WWII.

The "home office" for Ford of Germany, Ford of England and Ford of USA
is in Dearborn, MI (I've written plenty of letters there).

Finally, is it hard to obtain service and/or parts for a Toyota, given
that the home office and plants are in Japan (or used to be)?

The fact of the matter is that Ford with its resources should have no
trouble making parts and service available, just as Toyota, Honda,
Isuzu, Mazda, BMW, Mercedes, etc. manage.

Just one example: Ford charges $55 for a set of wiper blades for my
car.  If we assume their cost in buying it from a parts supplier in
Germany is $5, they are marking it up by a factor of 10 and that
should suffice to warehouse quite a few of them.


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