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From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Tsui Hark filmography?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:15:03 GMT
Organization: none

In article <axolotl.722209472@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>Daniel Read <dr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >Incidentally, the fact that The Incredibly Strange Filmshow said
> >something doesn't mean anything to me.  I've seen lots of these films, I
> >think about them a lot, and I'm sure I have at least as great an ability
> >to make such evaluations as the program's researchers.
>
>Well, their perspective, like yours and mine, is just that -
>another perspective.  (Haven't seen it m'self.)
>
>
>--
> Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au

Yes it is just another perspective, except that the gentlemen they spoke 
to, work with Tsui, and know him personally. Since Tsui is also usually in
the room, it adds a bit of weight to their statements that is lacking
in the information we fans spread here.

					--Judex--
Organization: Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:27:04 -0500 
From: Daniel Read <dr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Tsui Hark the auteur
	<farant.29oa@terapin.com>

Faran Thomason:
 
>... it is apparant that Hark does NOT have a definate style. Working Class is
>different from Peking Opera Blues. As ABT 3 differs from Once Upon a Time in
>China.

I don't believe that this is at all evident.  The notion of "style" (as
you are using it) is not simply a matter of all films looking alike or
being about the "same thing".  It is reflected in themes, tone, common
motifs and symbols, and a pattern of common artistic goals.  Moreover,
an artist's concerns will certainly change with time.  Tsui Hark is a
popular artist working within a variety of genres (e.g., gangster,
screwball comedy, kung-fu).  Examination of these films reveals a
variety of elements that can be treated as the "signature" of the artist.

For example:

    1. Concern with modern Chinese history and its significance for the
present day.  (All of his later films can be cited here).  ONCE UPON A
TIME IN CHINA is not just about the Sino-American relations of the past,
its also about how the  traditional world and the modern world can be
reconciled.  (See the tremendous scene in OUAT II in which Sun Yat Sen
translates Wong's medicine into "western" terms).

    2. Friendship and romance.  There is uncertainty about which of
these roles his characters will or should adopt with one another.  The
final shot of PEKING OPERA BLUES (before the masked man laughs) is
paradigmatic. 

    3. "Woman's place".  All of the Tsui directed films contain
surprisingly progressive depictions of women and their social roles.   

    4.  The light touch.  None of these films ever become nightmarish or
unbearably dark -- Tsui's world is largely benign, although it might be
absurd.  Even the conclusion of ABT III is romantic rather than tragic. 
[Contrast that with the horrendous conclusion of Ching's SWORDSMAN II --
could we imagine the same ending if Tsui had directed that film?]

daniel read

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: BR-Replicants and Pain
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:51:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.144229.5506@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>In article <mwojcik-161192124144@college23.sas.upenn.edu>, mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik) writes:
>|> I just watched Blade Runner (not the DC) over the weekend. I tried to keep
>|> the recent "Is Deckard a replicant?" thread out of my mind (not that I read
>|> all of it), and the question I have is this...
>|> 
>|> Do replicants feel pain? In several scenes (the eye shop, Priss's egg), the
>|> replicants intentionally demonstrate their absence of pain, and when
>|> Deckard wastes the first replicant, she keeps running with several bullet
>|> holes in her. Yet near the end, Priss is flailing around in GREAT pain, and
>|> when Roy is attempting to ward off the tissue necrosis, he pushes a nail
>|> through his hand to, I guess, "stimulate" it into functioning. Can you
>|> say...Inconsistant?
>
>Interesting point. Perhaps the replicants are enhanced so that they do
>not feel extreme heat and cold (liquid nitrogen, boiling water etc.)
>EXTERNALLY. But if their internals are affected they do feel pain,
>ie. bullets in Pris, Roy's loss of motor control, etc..

I would hazard a guess that they were more resistant to injury.  If a par-
ticular stimulus did not injure them, they did not feel pain.  If it did,
they felt the pain.  Roy is the only one who clearly indicated pain.  Pris
seemed to be having convulsions thought he writhing in pain expanation is
also good.  Zhora was shot in slow motion.  In real time, she didn't make it
very far before falling.  Contrast this with the stories among hunters that
abound concerning deer that run 50 yds or more after being shot through the 
heart.

>
>|> 
>|> OK. The relevance to the IDAR? thread. If replicants either feel no pain,
>|> have a high tolerance for pain, or can control WHEN they feel pain, then
>|> Deckard is not a replicant since he obviously feels *something* when Roy
>|> breaks his fingers.
>
>I still say just the fact that every replicant can kick the sh*t out
>of Deckard means he cannot possibly be a replicant.
>

I keep bringing this up, but it never seems to get much attention.

The replicants were rated A, B, or C in regard totheir Mental *AND* Physical
abilities.

*ALL* of the renegade replicants were rated A for Physical.

If Deckard were a Physical B, wouldn't you expect them all to be able to
beat the shit out of him.

I might as well ask that if the replicants were "at least the intelectual 
equals of their makers' as it says in the intro, why was Leon so slow?

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: hongl@cs.tamu.edu (HL)
Subject: Re: Tsui Hark filmography?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:12:35 GMT

In article <farant.27oc@terapin.com> farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason) writes:
>In article <BxMnwt.Mu7@taligent.com>, Jeff Wishnie <jwishnie@taligent.com>
>writes:
>>Thanks for the Jackie Chan filmography. Does anyone have a Tsui Hark
>>filmography (I think I have the name right--the director of the Swordsman
>>and Chinese Ghost Story movies)?
>>
>>- Jeff
>Well heres a partial filmography of the films I have seen:
>
>We Are Going To Eat You
>The Butterfly Murders
>All the Wrong Clues for wrong Soloutions
>Dangerous Encounters
>Zu Warriors from Magic Mtn.
>Chinese Ghost Story 1-3

I think he produced Chinese Ghost Story 1-3.  Cheng Xiaodong directed them.
From: lensbs@rs6213.ecs.rpi.edu (Scorpion)
Subject: Toxic Avenger
Keywords: 
  
   Just wondering if there were any Toxic Avenger fans out there?  Being from 
Reply-To: lensbs@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:29:46 GMT

NJ you have to be a fan.
					Sean

-- 
lensbs@rpi.edu                           |"New way what's this about a new
"I disagree with what you say, but I     | way" "Don't you laugh damn you,
will defend to the death your right      | don't you you laugh"
to say it."  -Voltaire                   |   -A Clockwork Orange
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Heathers
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:53:13 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov16.230331.24976@netcom.com>, tomboy@netcom.com (Thomas Miller) writes:
> I don't know that I'd call Heathers the greatest movie of the generation, but
> it certainly has some of the best one liners I've ever heard.
> 
> "F%*k me gently with a chainsaw!"  
> 

I agree, but you've got the line wrong.  It's "Fuck me gently with a chainsaw!"
I don't even know how you pronounce those funny symbols.

Richard.

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Dark Star
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: alt.cult-movies
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:17:32 GMT

Carpenter's Dark Star like Lucas's THX- started out as a student film.
But both I think were completed after they graduated and had raised
some $$$ (peanuts compared to the budgets they work with now but
just try raising a few hundred thousand for a student film !).
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Betsy Brett)
Subject: Re: Any Good Vincent Price Movies ?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:12:09 GMT


I personally enjoyed TALES OF TERROR quite a bit.  He was in all the
stories in it.  I think they were all based on Egar Allen Poe stories.

-Betsy Brett
bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: dvalent@husc8.harvard.edu (Daniel Valentine)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Dark Star
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:59:58 GMT
Distribution: alt.cult-movies

orson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Ors) writes:


>	Well I saw Dark Star again this summer and was woundering a few things.
>Do other people like it.  How would you compaire it to other early films from 
>other directors. ie. Lukas's THX-. And are the rumors true that Carpenter filmed
>the whole thing on his campus as a grad. project.  Thaks for the time and the band width.

>			-Ors

>What no sig?!@#$!?

Well, for some odd reason, I've never gotten to see THX, but I've always 
thought Dark Star was one of the best space-movie parodies ever made.  It
has some of the best low-budget special effects ever in a space movie.

The movie began as a thesis project for Carpenter, working with Dan O'Bannon,
but when Carpenter dropped out of USC, he took the movie, blew it up to 35mm,
and got funding to finish it.

                          -- Dan Valentine
From: otto@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Otto)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: chief chatterbox.....
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 08:27:15 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: like communism, but nicer.

x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:

> 
>     from the terrified desk of caroliner rainbow:
> 
> well, speaking of old movies that tormented one's childhood, i was 
> wondering if anybody out there could tell me the name of that movie
> with the little wooden indian in the cupboard that would come to life
> and look really mean and chatter his teeth (much like the cenobite) and
> kill people.....jeez, for some odd reason, that movie used to really
> scare the shit out of me when i was a kid.....whew...
> 
>      -   caroliner breakfast screwdriver toadstool.

That was a TV-movie entitled "Trilogy Of Terror", originally shown on ABC 
on March 4, 1975.  It was produced and directed by Dan Curtis.  The film 
actually contains three separate stories, all starring Karen Black.  In 
the final story, called "Amelia" and written by Richard Matheson, Black 
plays a mother-dominated woman who buys a fetish doll for a new boyfriend 
and discovers that the creature is alive - and ready to kill her.  I 
remember it as being pretty terrifying when I first saw it, especially 
when the little guy grabs a knife and starts shoving it under the doors 
trying to cut her.  The first two-thirds of the film are fairly 
pedestrian, and unmemorable, however.

------------------------------------------------------------------darkpark BBS
otto@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Otto)
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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:06:19 GMT

In article <98458@netnews.upenn.edu> jimmosk@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jim J Moskowitz) writes:

>Just wanted to come to the defence of 'Prospero's Books'.  I've only seen
>three of PG's films (Draughtsman, PB, and part of Cook), but PB is at the
>head of my list... I was also really impressed that I could follow the
>storyline of The Tempest, which I'd never seen or read, through all the
>strangeness he draped over it.
>Also, for those in the Northeast corridor, Philadelphia's Temple Cinemathe-
>tique will be having a PG festival in December, with about ten of his short
>and long films.  I'll try to get exact details and post them....

It's sort of amazing the popularity that Greenaway is now achieving world-
wide. Granted it's mostly among art-film lovers, but how many of you could 
say you'd even heard of Greenaway before TCTTHWAHL came out. Personally, my 
favorite Greenaway film is _Belly of an Architect_ followed closely by _A 
Zed and Two Naughts_. 
	This leads me to my question: Can anyone tell me where I can get 
these two on video, standard NTSC format?

Thanks in advance,


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: Fatal Attraction and Play Misty For Me
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:38:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10208]: thor

In article <1992Nov20.163635.5593@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham) writes:
>
>Very true - And forgeting my dislike of Glen Close temporarily, I still
>think that Clint Eastwood's "Play Misty For Me" is the better film - really
>very good.

I've never seen the movie, but aparently my dad liked it... that's where
my name came from... :)

Meow...
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From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: ?? about poltergeist
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:13:52 GMT

About the rating of Poltergeist:  the film was always rated PG,
but I remember some debate about that.  I think they defended the
rating because one of the gorier effects wound up being a
hallucination, and the rest were mostly "scare" effects.  Poltergeist
II and III were both rated PG-13.
--Michael
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: HK plots wanted
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:58:46 GMT


Since there is often no relationship between the English and
Chinese title of a movie, when I go to my Chinese video store
and ask for movies like 'Peking Opera Blues', they have no
idea what I am talking about. They need to know some of the
actors involved and the plot. Can someone help me out with plot
summaries for the following :

City on Fire, Prison On Fire I&II, Full Contact
   - All star Chow Yun Fat and are directed by Ringo Lam

Peking Opera Blues
   - Stars Sally Yeh, Cherie Chung. Directed by Tsui Hark

Mr. Vampire I, III, IV

Zu Warriors From the Magic Mountain

Encounters of the Spooky Kind (Ghost Strike Ghost)

I Love Maria (Roboforce)
   - Stars Sally Yeh. Directed by Tsui Hark

Yes Madam !
   - Starring Cynthia Rothrock

Some movies I have seen that I am curious about are :

Casino Raiders

Shanghai 1920 (don't remember the exact date).

If you have any info on these, please let me know ! Thanks !
From: mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: BR-Replicants and Pain
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:56:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cult-movies
Organization: the University of Pennsylvania

I just watched Blade Runner (not the DC) over the weekend. I tried to keep
the recent "Is Deckard a replicant?" thread out of my mind (not that I read
all of it), and the question I have is this...

Do replicants feel pain? In several scenes (the eye shop, Priss's egg), the
replicants intentionally demonstrate their absence of pain, and when
Deckard wastes the first replicant, she keeps running with several bullet
holes in her. Yet near the end, Priss is flailing around in GREAT pain, and
when Roy is attempting to ward off the tissue necrosis, he pushes a nail
through his hand to, I guess, "stimulate" it into functioning. Can you
say...Inconsistant?

OK. The relevance to the IDAR? thread. If replicants either feel no pain,
have a high tolerance for pain, or can control WHEN they feel pain, then
Deckard is not a replicant since he obviously feels *something* when Roy
breaks his fingers.

Oh boy, I hope I didn't open a can of worms again. Is there a logically
ordered, edited, rewriten paper based on the IDAR? thread floating around
the nets somewhere? Can someone email it to me? please?

PS The same day I watched BR, Ladyhawke was on later that afternoon.
Gotta love that Rutger Hauer!

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From: maxc1104@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Avoid normal situations.)
Subject: Naughty _Beauty & Beast_ lyrics (was: Bad Musicals)
Summary: Post!!! 
Keywords: alt.fan.die-hard.boom.boom.boom 
Organization: The Special Corps 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:24:57 GMT

>In article <1992Nov09.181158.21645@rose.com>, ed.mccrudden@rose.com (ed mccrudden) writes:
>> 
>> Date Entered: 11-09-92 13:09
>> In article <1992Nov9.003254.25086@ucselx.sdsu.edu> 
>> The Stainless Steel Moviegoer writes:
>>  
>> SSMG> "No one f*cks like Gaston,
>> SSMG>  no one s*cks like Gaston,
>> SSMG>  no one f*rts like a backfiring truck like Gaston!"
>> 
>Gee- and I thought _I_ was the only one who made up nasty lyrics
>to that song!

  By all means, post them forthwith!!

							Love & kisses,

						The Stainless Steel Moviegoer

		In human relationships, one should build bridges, not walls.
		It's no fun to burn your walls.
From: root@ESD.3Com.COM (Andy Chan - 3Com Corp. CA.)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Reservoir Dogs - (*contains some spoilers*)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:51:50 GMT
Distribution: alt

Just saw it this weekend.  Overall, twas good.
Major violence: includes everybody dying, ear getting cut off,
gasoline on cuts, lots of blood and spit, etc.

I wondered why Mr. Orange (I think it was Orange) told
Mr. White he was a cop at the end, he could've saved himself.

Mr Blonde is some psycho, eh?  Joe does look like "The thing"
from Fantastic Four.

Steve Buscemi was great.


Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: Andy.Taylor@brunel.ac.uk (Andy J Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: How is this trick done?
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:16:09 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Henley Management College, UK

In article <28234@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:

>
>The trick is as follows:
>
>The magician/whomever takes a pack of cards, unmarked from what I could
>gather.  He selects a volunteer/victim and places two cards, red an
>black, face in front of him/her.
>
>The magician then proceeds to pick cards one by one from various
>positions in the deck, each time holding it in front of the volunteer/victim,
>asking him/her to guess whether the card is red or black, and places it face
>down on top of red/black cards selected earlier depending on the colour.  
>Only the magician sees actual colour of the cards.

No.  The victim deals the cards from the deck one at a time and
chooses their colour without anyone looking at them.  Halfway through
the cards, two more 'index cards' are used, the red one being placed
on the black pile and the black one on the red pile.  (This is for
technical reasons)

>
>After so many cards have been placed in each pile, the magician turns
>over both piles to reveal, to the volunteer/victims surprise, that he/she
>has guessed the colour of the cards with 100% accuracy.
>
>
>I would be grateful if anybody could enlighten me as to how the trick is
>performed.  Hints will be accepted happily too :-)
>
>	Mark

This is 'Out Of This World' by Paul Curry(?)
it is widely published, it even appeared in a book for kids over here.

It is said that Winston Churchill demanded to see this trick 6 times
in a row and still couldn't work out how it was done.

Andy


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From: pbaker@tbag.tscs.com (Pete Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Stealing Routines
Date: 15 Nov 92 08:59:22 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

On Sun 15-Nov-1992  8:55a, Arthur Chandler wrote:

AC> However, in the world of
AC> juggling, it's considered reprehensible to take, not just a move or even
AC> an idea, but a whole sequence of moves and the accompanying music and
AC> present them as your own.
AC>   What's the view in the world of magic on borrowing/imitating?

I used to hang out with a few magic dealers/creators, and the rule of thumb is....  *IF* you can figure out who did it first, you should give credit. but, usually the guy/gal that you attest credit to, stole the idea from somewhere else.  Magicians and Magic dealers are famous for ripping off ideas adding a little twist and calling it their own.  There is NO such thing as copy-rights in magic.  Too hard to prove in court.

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

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From: Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel.Bamford)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: A Plea for help
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:51:59 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU


Hello all,

I'm pretty new to magic, but have recently bought a book on
conjouring/card tricks. Since buying the books I've been practising
the basics at every opportunity (making a pass, palming etc.)

What I am asking for is advice on wether their are any exercises I
should be doing to aid my dexterity, although any general advice
on conjouring (especially coin magic) would be gratefully accepted.

Please e-mail if you can help.

Thanks ......

-Nige.

Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk
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