From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Bruce Norman doesn't have to drop RFD for rec.games.frp.campaign
Organization: Pig Heaven, Coventry, UK
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:00:01 GMT

In article <BxoAnH.A7x@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cbnorman@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu writes:
>Sorry, Millerl, but nice try....

>>Now for the proof. I will include Bruce's entire posts to avoid his
>>inevitable charges of editing or distorting the facts.

>I won't bother including it all, as it is incredibly long.  I'll only
>include the relevent parts as *you* have defined them.

Get a life, Bruce. What are the relevant facts? Who actually came up to you
and said "I think there should be a worldwide newsgroup that deals with
just campaigns. Not face to face actual role playing campaigns, but e-mail
campaigns. I think that everyone in the whole campaign should know what's
happening everywhere else in the world. I can't see anyone doing this anywhere
else..." And then what made you agree? These are the things I'd like to know.
I'm interested. Honestly, because I was originally interested in your new
group idea, but now I know there's nothing in there that can't get a better
airing elsewhere. So try and convince me.

>If I have somehow referred to the wrong passages in your *length* quote,
>please reply with the relevent passages.  *Just* the relevent passages.

>>|   - FAQ (including many things NOT on the rec.games.frp.archives FAQ)

Such as?

>>|   - Campaign moves (these are posted currently in rec.games.frp.archive
>>|     by some people.  How many might I ask? Are there eight or more campaigns
>>|     going on in rec.games.frp.archive?)

Hmm... Red, Adventurers, Darkness Rising, Aristobulus, Jayhawk (though that's
finished now), Year of the Rat, Otherworld, Midnight's Bane: that's 8 off
the top of my head, though two of those are mine and one has finished. All
of the above are good quality stories (I qualify my own on the basis of the
amount of e-mail I receive) and can be found on r.g.f.archives, which I take
as a forum for serialisation where parts can be collated and re-posted when
the whole has been completed. That sounds like what you are proposing above.

>>|   - GM Move updates.  Certainly haven't seen any of these.

I'm surprised. I would have thought hundreds of people would want everyone in
their campaign to know what was *really* going on in the world. After all,
this is really for PBEM campaigns anyway, so everyone has net access, so
everyone in it could read what's going on.

>>|   - Player Responses to Moves.  Nada yet again.

Surely this should be going on over e-mail?

>>|   - Discussion of Campaigns.  Once again, no.

Discussion, again, is really an e-mail thing. You can discuss what's going
on in your campaign as a series of anecdotes or whatever, but otherwise,
no one's going to want to read it. If .campaign is a forum for people who
want to talk about what's going on in their campaign where no one outside
the campaign knows what's going on (suppose John Doe and me want to discuss
what's happening in a campaign that our GM doesn't post public campaign
moves for?) it'll make for pretty dull reading, and that's exactly what you
*don't* want, isn't it?

>I assume that's what you're referring to.  Yes, I've never said that *PBEM* 
>games were to have any part in .campaign (other than a listing of PBEM GMs in 
>the FAQ).  And that little clause you quoted for me doesn't even refer to 
>"player moves", it refers to "GM moves". 

Not! When I asked you if this was for face-to-face campaigns or PBEM
campaigns, you told me you were talking about the latter. 

Damn it, make your bloody mind up! Post the latest, revised, re-written,
fool-all-of-the-people-all-of-the-time proposal with a NEW header on it
so we know not to bother skipping it and stipulate what the hell it's about,
because you have the rest of us who have been doing everything you want
in .campaign in already existing newsgroups seriously confused. You change
your tack in every post. Stop it. Please?

Rid McIntyre.

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