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From: gerry@bluemoon.rn.com (Gerard M. Foley)
Subject: Re: What is the difference between DX and SX?
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 23:03:58 EDT

bytehead@bp1742.UUCP (Bryan Price) writes:

> gerry@bluemoon.rn.com (Gerard M. Foley) writes:
> 
> > ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
> > 
> > > In article <1992Aug15.185130.24702@wyvern.twuug.com> asoper@wyvern.twuug.
> > > >sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
> > > >
> > > >>---
> > > >>What is the difference between a DX and a SX specification for 386 and
> > > >>486?!
> 
> ...stuff deleted...
> 
> >    I believe the 386SX has only eight data lines, in place of
> > 16 in the 386DX, and 486SX has no operable mathematics coprocessor,
> > while 486DX has an on-chip math floating point coprocessor
> > equivalent to the 80387.
> 
> Hello Gerry! :)
> 
> The 386SX has 16 data lines, in place of the 32 data lines that the
> DX has.  Also, the 386SX only has 24 address lines, whereas the 386DX
> has 32 address lines, which means that the 386SX can only address 16
> megs of memory, while a 386DX can address up to 4 gigs.
> 
> The 486SX is a (purposefully) damaged 486DX so that the floating
> point is inoperative, the 487SX is a normal 486DX with a different
> pin-out that is to be used in the feature slot.  With the 487SX, you
> can toss the 486SX, as it totally replaces it.
> 
> The 486DX2 is a 486DX with a clock multiplier builtin to make
> internal machinations occur twice as fast as they normally would. 
> This gives you an increase in performance without an increase in the
> cost of the support circuitry.  This chip is fully pin-compatible and
> replaces any existing 486DX.  There fore, a company can design a
> 33MHZ 486DX system, and with the change of a chip (and a heat sink,
> the chip get's extremely hot) can then sell it as a 66MHZ system. 
> Currently, the only OverDrive chips as Intel calls them are for DX
> systems, so trying to run a 486DX2 in a machine that has a 486SX,
> just ain't going to work.  Intel obviously has the technology to do
> it, it's a matter of whether they will or not.
> 
> ObPeeve: I personally am a little fed up with these various "options"
> that Intel is trying to pander to the public.  The 486SX broke a lot
> of programs that assumed that once they were running on a 486, they
> would have floating point.  Now, various options to not have an
> internal cache, and who knows what else they'll cook up, will
> probably be pawned off on the public.  They'd have done the world a
> favor had they made the 386SX pin compatible with the '286.
> 
> Bryan L. Price       | [ bytehead@bp1742.UUCP ]           *Burning Magnesium*
> <Why would I make    | [ {n8emr|nstr}!bluemoon!bp1742!bytehead]
> my disc any laimer?> | [ Bryan.Price@p1742.f340.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG ]
> 
> All trademarks are owned by their respective owners..........................

   Believe Bryan Price, not me.

 This is from
     gerry@bluemoon.rn.com
who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dgulkis@encore.com (Dan Gulkis)
Subject: Gateway Telepath Modem
Summary: Misleading Advertising for Telepath
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:46:34 GMT
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation

Just a warning to the people interested in the Gateway Telepath modem.  The
advertising states that you will get Crosstalk for Windows, WinFax Pro, and
Qmodem.  And you will.

However, you will get Qmodem version 4.5, the test drive version which is
available on many bulletin boards.  If you want the commercial version 5.0, 
you must pay an extra $35, which is sent directly to Mustang Software.  That 
really irks me.

It might be a gray area, since they don't advertise which version is sent.
But, the software doesn't add significant value to the system, which is the
implication of the advertising.  My decision to wait for this modem (which 
was about four months late) was partially based on the bundled software.

When I called Gateway, they essentially said, "Too bad.  That's the version
it comes with.  If you don't like it, send the modem back."  The additional 
cost isn't a hardship, but it sure changes my opinion of Gateway.  In the 
past, they've never done anything sleazy like that to me.  In the future, 
they probably won't have a chance.

By the way, the modem works great.  My complaint is with their ambiguous
or even misleading advertising.

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  Dan Gulkis                      email: dgulkis@encore.com
  Encore Computer Corp. MS 404    voice: 305-587-2900 x4831
  6901 West Sunrise Blvd.           fax: 305-797-5807
  Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: PC components & peripherals dependent on 60 Hz line frequency (FAQ?)
Reply-To: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:57:45 GMT

>In article <1992Aug13.170816.7573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pjd@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dotzauer) writes:
>Since I'm planning on taking some PC equipment & peripherals from the U.S.
>(120 V, 60 Hz) to Germany (220 V, 50 Hz), I'd like to know which components
>and peripherals will not work correctly and should not be taken along,
>because they depend on the 60-Hz line frequency, which a step-down voltage
>converter cannot take care of.
>
>I hear that monitors and dot matrix printers will not work correctly.
>Is that correct? What about other components, like internal tape backup
>drives, hard drives, floppy drives, etc.
>
>What about an external high-speed fax/data modem?
>
>What about CD-ROM drives (internal or external)?
>
>My power supply says "High Frequency Switching Type", no further information.
>Does that mean I'll just need an adapter, and not even a voltage step-down
>converter to plug it in?
>
>Peter J. Dotzauer
>pjd+@osu.edu
>-- 
>Peter J. Dotzauer - pjd+@osu.edu - pjd+@ohstmail - osu-mps!pjd

The 50 hz timing should really have no effect on the computer itself.  The
power supply supplies "pure" full bridge DC at 5 and 12 volts to all computer
components.  In addition, most power supplies have a switch on them to allow
them to work directly from either 110V or 220V power lines.  

As for the monitor, a lot of newer monitors can actually adapt to 110/220
50/60 hz and other worldwide standards automatically.  Check your monitor 
docs before you try this, unless you like living dangerously [heh heh].

As for dot matrix printers, their power supplies are usually similar to
computer switching power supplies and generally supply only DC current to
the printer, so most will work fine on 50/hz.

Take a close look at the power supply rating stickers first.

Alex

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: veachm@prism.cs.orst.edu (Michael Veach)
Subject: Re: FAQ? How to put TSENG ET4000 board into non-interlaced from batch
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept
Distribution: orst
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 02:46:21 GMT

In <1992Aug11.115351.13219@gbrmpa.gov.au> jamieo@gbrmpa.gov.au (Jamie Oliver) writes:

>I think this has been asked before but I can't remember the answer.

>I have a 1meg graphics card based on the TSENG Labs ET4000 chip and 
>want it to drive my monitor in non-interlaced mode in windows using
>the 1024x768x256 driver I got from cica.

>There is a utility which came with the card called DMODE.EXE which allows me
>to switch into non-interlaced mode interactively within a menu.  This works
>fine, but I have to manually choose this mode each time a boot the machine.

>There must be a command line mode to this (or some other) program which
>will allow me to set the mode from within my autoexec.bat file!!

>Can anyone help me with this.

the command goes somthing like this:
	C:\DOS\DMODE 30 72Hz

	and yes Hz is necessary in the command. I think the #'s reference
	to the online dmode options but i'm not sure. I know that this works
	at 800x600 72 on my machine. good luck.

veachm@prism.cs.orst.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jeganath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Muthuveerappan Jeganathan)
Subject: Data transfer limit
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:26:40 GMT

Hi, here is a question for PC experts. I would like to find out what limits the 
data transfer rate from the PC RAM to a SCSI Hard Disk. Is it the PC/ISA bus, 
hard disk write time, or something else. What is a typical data transfer rate 
from RAM to disk for a 486 DX system. Thanks.

-- Muthu Jeganathan


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: aduell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: Parallel Port Standards
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:59:49 GMT


This information relates to the original IBM XT, because that's what I
have, and that's what I hack. Much of it relates to clones and to later
machines as well. 
The IBM MDA (monochrome Display adaptor) (and hence some hercules cards)
had a printer port on it which used address 3BC ,IRQ7. IBM also made a
separte printer card which used address 378, IRQ 7 (on an XT, IRQ5 is used
by the hard disk controller, on an AT it is spare, and thus used for a
printer port). Some 3rd parties made cards that used address 278, IRQ 7 or
IRQ 5.
 After the POST, before booting, the BIOS looks to see what printer ports
exist, and assigns them to the devices LPT1,LPT2,LPT3 in the order
3BC,378,278. Thus :

You have :          Apppears as:
Any one card           LPT1 (no matter what address)
3BC,378                3BC = LPT1, 378=LPT2
378,278                378=LPT1,278=LPT2
3BC,278                3BC=LPT1,278=LPT2
All three cards        3BC=LPT1,378=LPT2,278=LPT3

The BIOS does not use interupts for the LPT ports, so they don't matter.
However, only one printer port should be enabled (in software) on a
particular IRQ line at a time. The BIOS _never_ enables the IRQ's on LPT
ports. 

So, to answer the origianl question : printer ports on MDA (and hercules)
cards use address 3BC, IRQ7 and appear as LPT1
-tony 'PDP11 Hacker' Duell
ard@siva.bris.ac.uk

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu (Brian Casper)
Subject: Oak VGA board question
Originator: bcasper@c00477-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:20:42 GMT


In the interest of keeping my system upgrades at minimal cost, I
recently traded some stuff for an Oak Technologies 256K VGA card.
It's a 16 bit half card with both 9 and 15 pin connectors on the
back.  I have the pinouts for the 15 pin, but I don't know what
the 9 pins are wired for.  Also, can somebody tell me what the
4 bank dip switch settings are?  Any help appreciated...

-- 
-- 
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bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu        |    good insight into what rats are thinking."
  Pinball Consultant        |     -  Dr. Oscar Wesler
From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Need info on CHIPS 82C710
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:28:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Aug19.122847.12646
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


I need programming information for the Chips & Technologies 82C710
Universal Peripheral Controller.  I need to twiddle with its
configuration in order to work around a port address conflict.

Thanks in advance,
Bob Nichols
rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark gilstrap)
Subject: Re: Gateway Telepath....does it work?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:40:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.192425.20354@zeos.com> kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann) writes:
>In article <1533@dg.dg.com> greene@sequoia.webo.dg.com (Jon Greene) writes:
>>Has Gateway successfully addressed the Telepath's problems?  The price is right and I'd love to get one, but not until there is a consensus that the board is fixed.
>
>ZEOS Just released the Cardinal 14.4 S/R Fax modem for 195.00 dollars. 
>Interested parties may contact our sales department at 800-423-5891.
>-- 
>  	   New! ZEOS 486 Upgradable VESA Local Bus Motherboard.  
>
>			   info@zeos.com
>Ken Germann		support@zeos.com 	Zeos International, Ltd.


	I received my Telepath three weeks ago, and all is fine
	with it. WINFAX and Crosstalk work fine - in fact I am
	connected with Crosstalk as I write this since I don't
	have an ethernet card for my new DX2/50 (with whivh I
	am very very well pleased - my second Gateway).

	Now that I am sending faxes though, I am discovering the
	nice systems other computer users have (like voice mail
	and fax and message systems with eachg feature chosen by
	pushing a button) now I want that - how much is such a
	messageing system?

	I am happier with Gateway's response time now that I use
	their internet address for communication.

	Unlike the previous poster - I have no connection with the
	vendor of the FAX board I mention.
From: tgtbtk@rw7.urc.tue.nl (A. Kuiper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Stacker 2.0 doesn't work with my ESDI drive
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:56:44 GMT
Reply-To: tgtbtk@urc.tue.nl

I tried to install Stacker on my 386 with a ultrastore ESDI controller
and Maxtor ESDI drive. First it looked like stacker worked normal, however
when i tried to load large files my computer sleeps for a few seconds. I 
have been using stacker for two years with pleasure but now i am wondering
if the combination Stacker ESDI is impossible or if i'm overlooking some-
thing. The manual doesn't mention ESDI drives.
Thanks in advance.
-- 
Toine Kuiper       | University of Technology, chemistry department
tgtbtk@chem.tue.nl | PO box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, NL
From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Are all Gateway CrystalSCAN monitors bad? YES YES YES!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:14:59 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <92232.151928ROMAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> ROMAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu writes:
>I've just gone through my third Gateway CrystalSCAN 1024 monitor in
>two and one-half years.  Since Gateway only warrantees replacement
>monitors for 30 days, this one was months beyond any warrantee.
>A friend of mine has exactly the same system that I have, and he's
>on his third monitor.
>
>When I called Gateway Tech support with questions about how other
>CrystalSCAN monitors have been holding up, they told me that they
>"get a lot of abuse," whatever that means.  I was curious, because
>at this point I was wondering whether it was the monitor or something
>in my system that was causing these failures.
>
>Has anyone else had any failures with the CrystalSCAN 1024 monitor?
>
My first one lasted almost a year to the day. The second lasted less
than 4 months. They told me the same thing about the warranty. I think
they are selling JUNK! I ended up going to a local CompuAdd store 
and bought a 15" flat screen monitor for approx. $500 instead of
paying to get that other piece of junk fixed. I wouldn't buy another
thing from Gateway right now.
With the quality problems they have been having recently, I would say 
the amount of business they do will drop somewhat. Maybe then they 
will be able to handle customer complaints. I would not recommend
doing business with them these days.

Another dissatisfied customer...
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_____________________________________________________________________________
Tom Huot        			       
huot@cray.com 
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From: davidw@ida.dsir.govt.nz (David White)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Winbench 2.5?
Keywords: 24X, Winbench, CICA
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:57:33 GMT
Organization: DSIR/IDA Auckland, New Zealand

Winbench 2.5 is mentioned in the Diamond Speedstar 24X FAQ.
The latest version on CICA is version 2.0. Could someone 
please upload v2.5, or otherwise point me to it?

Thanks,
   david
--
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 Internet davidw@ida.dsir.govt.nz  Fax +64 9 443-4737
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: Summary of replies to 'what is local bus'
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:30:59 GMT

I saw several mentions of no standard yet for local bus.  The fact
is that VESA announced the standard in July and systems are NOW
being shipped (Micronics and ORchid) that are VESA standard.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: engp1033@nuscc.nus.sg (Fong Kin Fui)
Subject: Max Res for NEC Multisync II?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:42:44 GMT

I have an NEC multisync II and I'm considering buying an ET4000
svga card. Has anyone tried displaying 1024x168 pixels on this
monitor? I remember seeing a maximum resolution of 800x560 
specified in the user's manual.

Thanks.

Kin Fui
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Oak VGA
Keywords: VGA, Extended, Super
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:41:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.130037.18497@mic.ucla.edu> brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims) writes:
>In article <BsGzKF.MCn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>Uh oh....
>>
>>Oak VGA? Those are the $50 VGA boards. 
>>
>>If the thing will do 800x600 or 1024x768 it has SVGA 
>>capabilities. My guess is it won't.
>
>Wrong. Our Oak chipset VGA (Infiniti) does up to 1280*1024*16 colors. There is nothing
>inherently wrong with something being cheap if it performs!


Hmmm this sounds interesting.

How is it speedwise in comparison to a Tseng card? 

No, nothing wrong with being cheap.. but I don't know if I'd
stick it in an expensive machine. Everything has a place.. I 
always thought Oak cards were for the cheaper DOS machines...







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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: neese@adaptx1.UUCP (Roy Neese)
Subject: Re: SCSI controllers & int 13h bios call
Organization: Adaptec Inc., Texas
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:29:04 GMT
Keywords: Adaptec SCSI

In article <gburke.713693365@unix2.tcd.ie> gburke@unix2.tcd.ie (Garrett Burke) writes:
> Hi All,
> 	Could any of you SCSI gurus out there please confirm this:
> 
> Page 7-5 of the Adaptec AHA-1740A/1742A/1744 Tech. Ref. Man. states:
> 
> 'SCSI devices are addressed by logical block address without regard to
> the physical geometry of the disk. For this reason, all SCSI devices are
>                                                     ^^^
> defined as drives with 64 heads and 32 sectors/track'
>                        ^^           ^^
> 
> Q: Can I take this as true i.e use #define HEADS 64 etc when writing
> software for creating boot blocks?
> 
> From experience it seems to be true and would make things easier to do.

This is something you cannot garantee.  Various adapters use different
translation schemes and we have changed ours to allow disks greater than
1GB to be used under BIOS control.
---

			Roy Neese
			Adaptec Senior UNIX/SCSI Software Engineer
			UUCP:	convex!egsner!adaptex!neese
			Inet:	neese%adaptex@cirr.com
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:22086 comp.periphs:1129
From: ps@uta.fi (Pertti Suomela)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.periphs
Subject: WANTED: WD262 jumper setting info
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:37:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Tampere University, Finland

Could someone please send me the description of the jumper settings of
the ancient WD262 drive, thank you very much.
--
Pertti Suomela

Internet: ps@uta.fi
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: lingy@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Danzig Frique)
Subject: Everex Viewpoint VRAM 1meg card
Summary: Could anyone give me more information about this card pls?
Keywords: et4000, et4000ax, everex, vga, svga, viewpoint
Reply-To: lingy@rpi.edu
Organization: Somewhere Special
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:46:39 GMT

Hi there,
	 Could anyone out there tell me more about this card as i can't
seem to find much places selling it.

Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Connecting Conner 3104 and WD 93044-A to a system
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:33:05 GMT

I have a Western Digital WD 93044-A and a Conner CP 3104 which I want to
connect to my system.  I have the manual for the Western Digital which shows
the jumper setting for it, however I have not got the manual for the Conner.  I
need to know the jumper settings required to make the Conner the master or slave
(any opinion which is the better way to do it?)

			I will be greatfull for any help forthcoming.



			Chris
From: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Two computers, one SCSI
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:33:49 GMT
Reply-To: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

In article <Bstrx8.Knu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dny@mosque.cs.huji.ac.il (Danny Halamish) writes:
>SCSI can connect up to 8 devices. Is it possible for more than one of them 
>to be a master, I.E. can I connect two or more computers with one SCSI????

SCSI definately allows this, but the drivers for your host adaptor might
not.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.dcom.modems
From: hsiaoe@aix.rpi.edu (Eric Hsiao)
Subject: Re: US Robotics Courier HST Upgrades
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:08:34 GMT

US Robotics is having a promo right now for upgrading your old HSTs.
Here's the run down:

If you have an old HST:
  To upgrade to a Dual Standard 16.8 with FAX = $349
  To upgrade to a new 16.8 HST only = $299
If you have an old V.32:
  To upgrade to a Dual Standard 16.8 with FAX = $349
  To upgrade to a new V.32bis only = $299
If you have a really old HST based on the Rockwell chipset, you can upgrade
that modem to add on V.32 for $199
If you have one of the new HST's/Duals but no FAX, you can get FAX for
a $75 upgrade. For more information, call US Robotics' Tech Support at
1-800-982-5151.
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