From: daj20@amdahl.com (Daniel A Jatnieks)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Religious Freedom (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:)Summary:
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:49:48 GMT
Distribution: usa

graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM) writes:

> [...]

>Let me clarify...
>One of the arguments against voluntary prayer that I hear over and over
>from the left is that those who do not participate may feel "left out"
>and therefore feel "ostracized" or somehow "inferior".  Poor babies.
>This is pure CRAP and as hypocritical as you can get.

	just because there is a stupid argument, as i agree this
	is, doesn't mean there aren't other better ones or that
	your viewpoint is therefore the best.


>You know what's funny about this?  If you ask a typical liberal what
>he/she thinks about home schooling, he/she will tell you that it's a
>bad idea because it keeps the child from learning about the real and
>tough world.  The child won't learn to "compete".

	i think home schooling is fine for those who prefer it.


> [...]

>Bullcrap.  This whole prayer thing has little or nothing to do with
>separation of church and state, and everything to do with the fact that
>the left is _afraid_ of anything which even hints of "values".


	well i do think the prayer thing has everything to do with
	the seperation of church and state.

	but i wonder if we are talking about the same thing.  just
	what is your understanding of what this prayer thing is?
	my understanding is that there is a movement to legislate
	a law *requiring* a moment of silence in schools, the purpose
	being for children to make a silent prayer.  to me this is
	clearly violating the seperation of church and state.  i also
	believe that any child who wishes can currently say a silent
	prayer whenever they choose - there is no law preventing this
	(although there may be some ignorant adults hampering it).

	as far as arguments in favor of prayer in school, i certainly
	*do not* buy these:

		* but my child lacks the self-discipline to say a silent
		  prayer in school like i want them too.  therefore it
		  needs to be required so the teacher will ensure that
		  my child does it.

		  i don't think so.

		* but my child feels ostracized, left out, or inferior
		  because no other students are taking a moment of
		  silence to pray.  therefore it should be required
		  so my child won't feel left out.

		  definitely not.
			

>>| 
>>|You apparently believe that this is true.  Let me attempt to convince you 
>>|that it is not.  A blind, grade-school girl was quietly praying her rosary 
>>|beads on the school bus.  The bus driver took them away and the school 
>>|forbade her from praying the rosary (even quietly) in public.
>> 
>>	Unfortunate.  And as far as I am concerned, the girl should not 
>>have been prevented from doing her chants.
>> 
>Sounds to me like that bus-driver needs a little "sensitivity training".
>Jim Graham 


	i agree.






danj.
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