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From: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: miscellaneous items f
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:38:29 EST
Reply-To: "nate lipsen" <nate.lipsen@execnet.com>
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DM>Why clutter up rec.boats with this junk?????

Why clutter it up with a quote of the entire message.  The
original post didn't belong here - but why repeat the whole thing? 

                        ........Nate
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From: scoyle@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Scott Coyle)
Subject: Mail Order Harwdware
Originator: scoyle@crayfish.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:26:23 GMT

Stainless steel hardware seems to be a rare commodity here in central
Illinois (unless it's suited for farm equipment).. 

I'm in search of a decent mail-order hardware resource to tap into.. Can
anyone offer any suggestions? 

Thanks in advance,
Scott Coyle - scoyle@ncsa.uiuc.edu             Flying Scot #409
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: charts
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:00:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.213332.19015@ee.rochester.edu> paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.185209.13139@macc.wisc.edu> egan@vms.macc.wisc.edu (MICHAEL EGAN, MACC) writes:
>>I am looking for a source of cheap charts.  Does any one
>
>	Cheap charts will put you on the rocks. These are your only 
>	under water eyes and road maps. You do not have to have the most
>	current ones but when the fog etc. rolls in and you can't see the
>	bow and looking for a bouy etc. you will be glad that you have a 
>	decent chart. I beleve that the price is regulated by NOAA, but
>	I'm not sure. Here in Rochester charts are $13.50 each.

The first summer I owned Sarah, and about the third time I'd ever sailed
her, we went out into Buzzard's Bay on a hazy sort of day that promptly turned
foggy. We were up near the Weepecket islands, and by all my DR and the Loran
readings and everything else, we should have been right on top of a buoy just
to the NW of the islands. We looked, circled, looked some more, etc., and then
the fog lifted enough to show is that ... it wasn't there. The Chart Kits
chart showed the buoy (as did the current NOAA charts), but I had not yet
gotten around to updating the charts with the Notices to Mariners.
Fortunately, these are fairly familiar and friendly waters, and no harm was
done. In other places, I'd be deeply concerned about using old or out-of-date
charts, unless all you care about is the depths (and even then I'd worry in
some places...). If you can't afford to lay out the money for a new chart
every two years or so, what else are you skimping on? Life vests? Seacocks? 
Lifelines? I think that good charts (or excellent local knowledge :-) ) should
be near the top of the list of things I'm willing to spend money on. Near the
bottom are such things as a brand new 160% genoa, slightly fancier
electronics, enough sandpaper to fair my keel until it looks like a NACA
airfoil within .01%, etc. Of course, if I were going round-the-buoys racing,
I *would* have very good local knowledge, and would feel that up-to-date 
charts of the area were not so necessary; at that point, I would move down the
spending list a bit and consider that new genny.

-John
From: mike@ravel.udel.edu (Michael James Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Testing a transducer - How?
Keywords: transducer, depth sounder, testing
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:33:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxBr47.BDy
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Nov6.213142.23800@nas.nasa.gov> fallavol@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Michael A. Fallavollita) writes:
>In the continuing struggle to get my depth sounder working again, I'm in need
>of testing my transducer to see if it is operational.  The depth sounder is

Assuming this is a transom mounted transducer and that the boat is out
of the water:
 
I jammed a bucket underneath of it, and filled the bucket with water.  Read
about three feet!  If at first you don't get a reading, rub the face with
your hand.  Sometimes air bubbles get trapped and prevent a reading.

Mike
From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: computers
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:01:15 GMT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

Does anyone have any experience with a normal pc on a boat?

I am trying to put a pc and a hp laser printer on a 60 ft sportfisher.
It would be exposed to the salt air, but not directly to any water.

It has a maxtor harddrive which is a tank, but am wondering if a pc will
survive the salt air.

thanks for any advice

mark


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From: dsm12@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Daniel S McGehee)
Subject: Re: Olympic Classes for 1996
Reply-To: dsm12@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Daniel S McGehee)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:23:21 GMT

In article <BxBGp8.JBH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler) writes:
>Well, it's official.  The Laser will replace the Flying Dutchman
>in the 1996 Olympics.  The only other change is that the
>Mistral will replace the Men's Lechner.
>
>Changes voted down were from Europe Dinghy to Laser Radial
>and from Finn to Laser.  The Hobie 16 and Hobie 18 were also
>beaten out by the Tornado. 
>
>The Laser beat out the FD by a vote of 16 to 13.
>
> 
>Thanks to Nigel Vick for attending the sessions!
>
>
>Will
>--
>***************************************************************************
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>*   Laser 44888    /|\                       sadler@iubacs.bitnet         *     
>***************************************************************************
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Right of Way
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:46 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Nov10.182630.6635@leland.Stanford.EDU>, stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes...
>We all know the basic rules:
> 
>    1. On any point of sail, port tack yields to starboard tack.
>    2. On the same tack, boat sailing lower yields to boat sailing higher.
> 
>But, during the great days of commercial sail, the rules were quite different:
> 
>    1. On any tack, boat sailing lower yields to boat sailing higher.
>    2. On the same point of sail, port yields to starboard.
> 
>I have seen the second set of rules in a number of manuals, some of them
>published as late as 1925. Does anyone know when the rules were changed,
>and why?

To hopefully improve on my previous followup to this:

The current rules (paraphrased) are:
1: different tacks - port tack keeps clear
2: same tack - windward keeps clear

The old rules, apparently changed in 1965 were:
1: Regardless of tack, "running free" keeps clear of close hauled.
2: Same tack, both running free - windward keeps clear
3: Opposite tacks, both close hauled or both running free - Port tack keeps 
clear.

According to a couple of old books I have, "running free" was any point of sail
other than close hauled.

I suppose this rule made sense for square riggers, but with modern yachts, can
cause serious problems.  Consider two yachts, sailing a close reach on opposite
tacks. With either rule, Starboard tack will have right-of-way.  If Port
hardens slightly to close hauled (and this change may not be apparent to
Starboard), Port then gets R-O-W.  If Starboard now hardens to close-hauled,
she would re-gain R-O-W.

Since, as shown in the recent thread on point of sail vs. true or apparent
wind, it is not possible for one yacht to tell with certainty the exact point
of sail that another thinks it is on, removing the "close hauled" rule removes
the point of confusion that can occur between a close-hauled port tack and a
close reach starboard tack.

Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)

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From: billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett)
Subject: Re: Schizophrenic Self-Steer (or "My Autohelm's on dope")
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:57:59 GMT

From article <1992Nov5.104248.20358@yang.earlham.edu>, by alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu:
> In article <1992Nov4.222402.27064@news.clarkson.edu>, billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett) writes:
>> Sorry to pick on you, but it's the end of the day here and I'm feeling
> 
> Hmmm... I'm sure I don't know what you mean... :-)
 
I was just being silly.  I had this mental picture of a rudder,
slapping back and forth like a giant windshield wiper.

>> giddy.  Most windshield wiper motors are not reversible, but rely on a
>> built in crank arrangement to generate the oscillating motion.  I'm
 
> This one (off the Toyota Corolla) is.  You switch the +/- leads, and it rotates
> the opposite direction.  I mounted the contraption on my boat last night and it

If it's a permanent magnet motor, you can make it reverse, but you are
right: If you leave it on too long, it will complete the sweep and
start back the other way.

-billp
From: amartin@cs.ubc.ca (Andy Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Right of Way
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:20:01 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca

In article <10NOV199222270530@erich.triumf.ca> bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.182630.6635@leland.Stanford.EDU>, stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes...
>>We all know the basic rules:
>> ...
>> [Brief sketch of old and current ROW rules for vessels under sail deleted]
>> ...
>> Does anyone know when the rules were changed, and why?
>> 
>The current rules are:
>1) when each boat has the wind on a different side, the vessel with the wind on
>the port side shall keep out of the way of the other.
>2) When both have the wind on the same side, the vessel which is to windward
>shall keep out of the way of the vessel which is to leeward.
>3)If a vessel with the wind on her port side sees a vessel to windward and
>cannot determine with certainty whether the other vessel has the wind on the
>port or starboard, she shall keep out of the way of the other.
>
> [reason for change deleted]

Of course the rule about overtaking may apply, in which case it superseds
all the above rules.  Paraphrased, the rule states that when one vessel is
overtaking another, the vessel being overtaken must maintain her course
and speed, while the vessel overtaking must keep clear, and remains
the give-way vessel until she is finally past and clear.  You are 
"overtaking" another vessel when you  are approaching from more that
22.5 degrees abaft her beam.  This rule also supersedes rules which
require power vessel to keep clear of sailing vessels etc.

This is somewhat off the original topic, but it seems to be part of the
col-regs that is often poorly understood. For the benifit of newcomers to
boating who are just learning the rules, I thought I would take the
opportunity to point it out.

Cheers,

Andy Martin
amartin@cs.ubc.ca
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From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: Testing a transducer - How?
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:49:35 GMT

The impedance of my DS-1 transducer is infinity for a DC voltmeter.  The
500 ohm number is to the specified frequency the depth sounder sends out.
Thus I would guess that you are ok there.  Out of the water my depth sounder
does read "- -" and anytime it can't get a return echo.  If the transducer
is not in the hull then put it in a bucket of water, it should get random
readings near zero.  

Don't know if there is any way to do this if it is mounted in the hull,
might try holding a bucket of water up to it...

A place out here call "Boating Equipment Liquidators" had spare transducers
last time I was in there.  I am looking at putting a spare on the other side
of the hull as a backup and to use when I am on a long tack in rough water
with the side where the current one is mounted is nearly out of the water.

Their phone number: 703-823-1056

David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: ljane@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Linda Cast)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Gloucester skiffs
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:49:12 GMT
Reply-To: ljane@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Linda Cast)
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tandem Computers; Austin TX
Originator: ljane@ocean


 Visited Gloucester, MA recently, and in every marina and bay were many
 small skiffs/dories. A boat shop had a new one for $259. Most were
 wood, and perhaps 6-14 feet long. Picturesque place.

 Here in Texas there aren't such a lot of small boats in any one location.
 It would be fine to own a small wooden boat for a reasonable cost. Do you
 have any suggestions for ordering one from here? Or would anyone be interested
 in using my small boat trailer in exchange for bringing back a 
 boat? There were few ads in the Gloucester paper for small boats for sale,
 so ideas on where to buy one would be welcomed.

 Thanks,
 Linda  
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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Mounting transducers without a thru-hu
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:31:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 92Nov10210052@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil, zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke) writes:
> I have been told that if you 5200 it to the inside of the hull it will work
> reasonably well.  Also, coating the head with winch lube and providing some
> braket to hold it in place is supposed to work well...  I will never again
> make an oil filled blister on the inside of the hull.  Had one leak all over
> the place during a 2 week cruise and made a real mess and never really
> worked.
> 


I sure as heck would not use 5200 to attach my transducer to the inside of the 
hull.  If you do, you will never get it off, at least without serious physical
damage to the transducer, hull, or both.  I have heard that silicon seal work 
well, and it is not nearly as strong an adhesive as 5200.

I have used a plastic pipe attached to the hull with marine tex to hold about
an inch or of mineral oil on two different boats for a total of about 15 years 
without any problem.

Jeff Huntington
From: KRF105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Boating in Pa
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:15:47 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

This is my first post on this board (excuse my wordiness) but I would simply
like to find boaters with common interests and hope to share some knowledge as
well as gain some input.  I currently have two boats, a small jon boat with
a merc 2.2 (believe it or not its set up with a 2-blade prop designed for a
4 and with some carb work pushes the boat around 12mph) as well as a 17ft'
Checkmate with a Merc 135 designed to run (but still ski).  I boat primarily
on the Delaware but have been to Raystown Pa as well as Wallenpaupak and Deep
Creek Md.  Currenly my friends and myself have been skiing since 4 or 5 years
but have found a new interest in wakeboarding (formerly Skurfing)  We have
a Hyperlite-pro and have fun but could use pointers in performing a few more
eye-catching manuevers.  As far as a ski, I'm on a Kidder Mx-Pro which (for the
$225 Barts Special) is an excellent ski. We use O'Brien Pro Trac Tricks and
some of my friends use only thier feet (this doesn't appeal to me) but I
appreciate those who can do it.  Anyone with common interests or equipment -
please respond - The Jester (Ken at Penn State Hazleton) Peace. and save our
seas.
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From: rwein@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Robert A. Wein)
Subject: Re: How to move two Lasers?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:15:04 GMT

In my last posting, I said you could carry a second trailer on the
laser in standard position.  I think it would be easier (and more
to the point) to put a second _laser_ on top.
Also, it is easier if you invert the second laser (hull up).

Heads up, in the groove...
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From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Subject: wood or glass?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:07:52 GMT

I'd been advised by many folks to avoid buying a used wooden boat
because of the relatively high maintenance.  Not sure what they
were talking about, I took a short course in wooden boat
maintenance and repair, and I now have a much better idea about
what's involved in dealing with an aging wooden boat.

But I still can't compare wood to fiberglass because I can't find
much information about maintaining glass.  I hear and read many
references to osmosis, gelcoat crazing, delamination, and other
ailments, but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it's realistic
to expect of, say, a twenty-to-thirty-year-old fiberglass hull, or what
might be involved in refurbishing a neglected glass boat.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:01:48 GMT
Subject: Re: What are "Salvage rights"?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I have heard of situations where boat owners with a minor problem
accepted an offer of help from commercial boatmen and then found
themselves fighting huge claims for salvage.  Apparently it was worst
when one of them came aboard your boat to help, because that put them
in charge and proved that you were helpless.  

Don't really remember any details, it was too long ago.

I do recall the articles saying that if you really needed help, you
should negotiate terms before accepting any--even a line--and never
let them board your vessel until you have some agreement.

B.S!
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:37:51 GMT
Subject: Waxing Laser hull and mast?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats


I've been reading a book on Laser sailing.  It says to wax the hull, not to go
fast but to protect it.  It also says to wax the mast sections so that the sail
slides over it easily when adjusting the cunningham.

Is this a good idea?   and if so, what kind of wax would you use?

Cheers

Brenda

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From: vatne@alcatel.no (Lars Vatne)
Subject: Re: Running Backstay Question
Organization: Alcatel STK A/S
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:18:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.202257.10317@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:

|> My opinion is that if the running backstays are needed to keep the mast
|> upp, the design is poor and unseamanlike. If they are needed for tuning
|> purposes they might be usefull to have.

Of course, this is a bit beside the point as the discussion is about cruiser/
racers here, but I've crewed (delivery) on a racing boat that didn't have 
any fixed backstay, only runners. Talk about scary gybing!

The boat?  One-tonner "Fram XI", Bruce Farr design, built by Cookson. 6th
in this years World Championship (although I wasn't on board at the time).
The owner? King Harald of Norway

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From: msolomon@mitre.org (Moise Solomon)
Subject: Re: Rules question
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:03:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.165434.5596@spss.com>, bartley@spss.com (Dennis
Bartley) wrote:
> 

[stuff deleted]

> We could continue on starboard and clear the dock. It was too late
> for him to bear off without hitting us. Not exactly a great position
> for him to have gotten into. We tacked so he wouldn't crash... but I 
> thought he fouled us.

Sounds like he did.

Moise Solomon

SHOCKWAVE
J/24 #4112   
msolomon@mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject: Re: knotmeter paddlewheel location?
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:48:44 GMT

I'll recommend the position on the centerline forward of the keel.

Most racing boat installations I've seen are there.  Ours is there and
it works well.  Make sure you get the wheel aligned on the center axis
of the boat.

Steph
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: scoyle@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Scott Coyle)
Subject: McGregor 19
Originator: scoyle@crayfish.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:45:31 GMT

I would like to here from somebody that has sailed the McGregor 19...

The idea of a dual-purpose boat intrigues me.. I love sailing and the family
would love a power boat (does this sound familiar?)

I can't imagine this craft could sail to well with a 40hp (as advertised)
outboard hanging on its tailfeathers.. Any experience??  How easy would it
be to step the 21' two-part mast from inside the cockpit out on the water?

I've read the brochure and will believe half...

Thanks in advance..
Scott Coyle - Cray Research Inc
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From: wtwitty@netcom.com (Pacific Systems)
Subject: Re: Radio Active Waters ?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:42:19 GMT

In article <721352781.F00001@ship.wimsey.bc.ca> Konrad.Koenig@f764.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Konrad Koenig) writes:
>The 4,800 tonne Ocean Freighter AKATSUKI MARI set sail today from
>Cherbourg on 15,000 mile voyage to Japan.
>
>Her cargo ? 1.7 tonnes of weapons grade PLUTONIUM in 133 casks
>"carefully" stowed in its holds.
>
>
A question that comes to mind is "What are the Japanese going to do with
1.7 tons of weapons grade plutonium?


-- Bill Twitty


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From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Subject: Rules question
Keywords: room at an obstruction
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:35:21 GMT

Suppose 2 boats on OPPOSITE tacks on a beat are approaching an
obstruction. The starboard boat can clear the obstruction without
altering course. Is there any rule that allows the port boat to hail
for room?

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