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From: bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey)
Subject: Re: pop-up lights
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:59:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.033537.6595@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (.) writes:
>
>Which was the first production car with pop-up headlights?		  

	Corvettes? 

>What are their advantages/disadvantages?

	advantages: looks cool, attracts members of the opposite sex
                    Increases aerodynamic efficiency slightly
                    Easy to tell if you've left your lights on

	disadvantages:two more complicated and expensive things that can break.
	 	    In the winter I keep 'em up all the time 'cause snow and
			ice can jam 'em.

	
       those new new low profile headlights have pretty much made pop up
	lights obsolete. But I don't know if they attract members of the 
	opposite sex any better!

		Brian
		barkeyb@climate.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner)
Subject: Re: Red Line MTL
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:01:57 GMT
Keywords: Red Line

jayc@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jay Crawford) writes:

>I'd like to change the gear box oil in my Saab 900 to something that will 
>make it shift a bit smoother and hopefully reduce wear-and-tear.  I have
>heard Red Line MTL is a good product.  Does anyone have any good/bad    
>experiences with Red Line they can share with me? Also, where's a good place to mail order it?  Thanks.

>-- 
>Jay Crawford          
>jayc@hubcap.clemson.edu

At about 60,000 miles, I installed Redline MTL in my 740 Turbo Volvo
gearbox.  This is a gearbox that had been balky since it was new.  The
Volvo factory rep said that mine was worse than some but better than
others.

I was quite happy with the improvement.  The initial shifting into
first was improved a little.  The shifts into each other gear
were much better; that is to say they were easier to engage and
smoother.  Something that did occur which surprised me was that
the gearbox generated much less noise.

I would recommend the product but don't expect miracles.  THe tech
at Redline told me that it was "like rebuilding the gearbox".  I
have rebuilt gearboxes and can state that adding this lubricant is
NOT like a proper rebuild.

I ordered it directly from Redline in California. (800) 529-8609

Steve Heffner
sheffner@encore.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jmps@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (J. M. Sauer)
Subject: Re: Protective Coating for Auto Transport?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:33:58 GMT
Summary: dealer prep

In article <1ikenfINNfc7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
> 
> Recently during rapidly deteriorating negotiations on a new Sable,
> the sales manager (the CLOSER himself) said one of the reasons he
> had to charge me $250 for dealer prep was to clean off the special
> coating on the new car.
> 
> "What is that?" I inquired, blood pressure rising further.
> 
> "When they ship the car from the factory, they put a special coating
> (spray?) on the paint to protect it from the road dirt, weather and
> salt.  My prep guy has to take that off with a solvent and I'm sure
> you wouldn't want to do that, and that's all part of dealer prep."
> 
> This took me by surprise - I had never heard of such a thing.  I thought
> they just ran the damn vehicle through their car wash when it arrived.
> Is this truth or more sales science fiction?
> 
> He also said that it took time to assemble the standard roof rack on
> the station wagon - true, but then, isn't that one of the costs that
> contributes to the higher base price of the wagon?  Why should that
> be figured into part of the dealer prep additional charge?

I just purchased a Taurus wagon and it did have a layer of protective
coating on it.  The dealer cleaned it off.  It was much like a light
grease coating.  It is meant to protect the paint during shipment.
I would doubt it would come off in a normal washing it takes some elbow
grease.

My understading on dealer prep is that it is included in the price of
the car.  This includes cleaning the car and installing any equipment.
At the dealership I bought it also included a full tank of gas.  I don't
know if the gas is a Ford company practice or not.  The car
came to the dealer with half a tank.  The price of which was on
the invoice.   We got our wagon for $100 over invoice not including
$1300 in rebates and a good wholesale trade price.  We took advantage
of Ford buying the Taurus to #1 seller.  I'm sure the dealer still made
a very nice profit though.

I would suggest not arguing with the dealer about things like
this and just talk the price you are willing to pay.  If you are too
"logical" with the them they will try to "logic" you up in price. 

John
jmps@ihlpe.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Taurus Upgrades
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:48:45 GMT

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who
has done some suspension upgrades to their
Taurus/Sable (non-SHO), preferably a wagon.

bob
From: v128fm4v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott W Parks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1990 Ford Tempo Stalling
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Anyone had any problems with a 1990 Tempo Stalling??

The car with occasionally stall after accelerating from a
complete stop.  The car doesn't sputter or anything but just
stops.  The car will immediatly restart and run perfectly.

Any suggestions fellow grease monkeys????

Scott Parks
Grand Island, N.Y.

* And I have replaced the plugs and fuel filter.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: Mini-van or utility vehicle...4WD vs gas mileage
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:41:38 GMT

In article <1i9td2INNjs3@gap.caltech.edu> wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) writes:
>I am looking to buy a new car with similar characteristics as well.  I
>am currently considering the Mitsubishi Exp LRV.  It gets MPG in the mid
>20's, and it is shorter than an Accord.  It does have AWD, though it is

We have a four door Expo (the bigger one) and regularly get 28 MPG.
That's without AWD, however. We like the Expo a lot. I especially
like the ease of oil changes, among other things.

-- 
My opinions are my own.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: flower@donald.etdesg.trw.com (Rick Flower)
Subject: Re: Braking techniques 
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:19:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173313.8981@mtu.edu> vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) writes:
>
>
>  I've read an awful lot from people who advocate and frequently use engine braking
>  as a means of slowing down.  Whereas I admit it is sometimes extremely useful, the 
>  idea of regularly downshifting in a stick to break seems completely ridiculous to me.
>  I'd much rather wear out my brake pads which are designed to be regularly replaced, than
>  my clutch which isn`t.  Can someone please explain to me why so many people insist on 
>  using their transmissions as brakes?
>

Well, one major advantage to using the engine/transmission as a brake come when
decending a steep hill.  If you constantly use your brakes to slow your decent,
chances are, after not too long, you *MAY* burn up your brakes, whereby you
may not be able to stop....  This is why you may see 18 wheelers using the 
engine as a brake instead of the brakes -- otherwise, they won't have any left!

>  This is not a flame, I just don't quite get why so many people regularly engine brake.  

No flames here!

>
>-
>-- 
>Steve Vetter     DISCLAIMER-  The opinions expressed here are not those of
>vetter@mtu.edu                my employer,  because I don`t have one yet.  If  
>                              you wish for these opinions to be your company's,
>Damn it's Cold!!!             or not, send e-mail to :  vetter@mtu.edu 

-- Rick

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: Re: Advertising fee and holdback for Probe
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:59:25 GMT

In article <1hpladINNa9p@early-bird.think.com> rpalmer@Think.COM (Ralph Palmer) writes:
>I have relatives that have worked in the car business ranging from
>selling used cars, new cars and in the leasing scam.  All the little
>extras like Advertising fees, import fees (remember those), and dealer
>prep are all crap designed to confuse the customer when they are trying 
>to figure out what the damn thing costs.  Of course they don't list the
>kick back they get from the manufacturer a couple of months after the
>car gets sold, or extra discounts they getting after reaching their 
>alloted volume.  The bottom line is that it is very difficult to
>determine "dealer cost", and that creative accounting is always used.
>Don't feel sorry for a dealer, he won't make a deal where he loses money
>(no matter what they tell you)
>
>Here are my rules to follow (with apologies to honest sales people)
>
>Rule #1: don't trust them  
>Rule #2: get the bottom line price including all the little extras
>Rule #3: make them write it down
>Rule #4: get other quotes from other dealer, don't trust them either
>Rule #5: walk away if you are being pressured, and don't return

My perferred method is to buy the Consumer Reports price list for $11.00.
It will tell you exactally what the dealer paid for the car, options, information
on rebates, etc.  Work from that total up, rather than from sticker price
down.  They also include a contract for the dealer to sign (not the sales
person).  This contract cuts through all the bull, to the point to give
you a cost.  The dealer, than can not ask you for more money than is listed
on the bottom line.  CR suggests a proffit of $200-$500 is reasonable.
See Consumer Reports for more details (espically each April issue).  I did
not have to deal with ADP, ADM, Advertising Fee, Administrative Fee,
dealer prep, etc, etc.

I bought my honda at $300 over dealer cost when the sticker price has a
17.4% markup (92 CIVIC VX).  I walked into the showroom with contract in hand,
at noon, and drove back to my office and was at my desk by 1:10.  That was
the quickest $300 that they have made, I would bet!

-
Troy Frericks                      Internet: troyf@MICROWARE.COM
Microware Systems Corporation          UUCP: uunet!mcrware!troyf
1900 NW 114th St                      Phone: (515)224-1929
Des Moines, IA 50325-7077               Fax: (515)224-1352

From: tmw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Walley)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:23:22 GMT
Subject: Re: GM Paint peels!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I guess that I missed out on this.  I had my '90 Park Avenue re-painted when
it was just one year old due to extensive body damage due to hail.

Tom Walley
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Saturn Do It Yourself Mtce.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:46:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Here's one for you Saturn folks.... how easy is it to perform do-it-
yourself stuff maintenance on the vehicle.  I'm interested in things
like oil and filter changes, belts, hoses, tune-ups (plugs) etc.

I'm considering purchase of a Saturn, am not a mechanic, but enjoy
doing those not-to-difficult things that can add up to a lot of 
savings over time.

Also, I understand the car has "lifetime" lube fittings.  How
does Saturn define lifetime.  I take it that "permanent" fittings
mean no Zerks or lubrication nipples for the old grease gun.  That 
whole concept bothers me a little, because even grease gets dirty/gritty/
abrasive and evaporates a bit over time.  Any comments?

-stu
-- 
                   ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===---
                           Cleveland, Ohio
                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
                         --------------------
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Get a car heated in winter: How long is appropriate?
Keywords: Heating
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:26:40 GMT

Windchill is NOT the same as evaporative cooling. Granted, convection will
increase rates of evaporation if it disturbs the boundary layer and thereby
alters the vapor pressure gradient, but windchill itself is an effect of
increased convective heat transfer and operates without regard to evaporation.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:46:39 GMT

>
lots of stuff deleted on honda vs gm.

>That's right! In my circles, everyone who has Honda's had not had a single
>problem with their car.  I don't like Honda's myself, but when they are good,
>you can't deny them of their reputation and quality.  Sure, I can find
>someone on this Earth who has had problems with their Accord, but I will bet
>you that I can find alot more people that have problems with their GM cars
>than the Honda's.
>
i would like to add that in my experience whenever i meet someone who has a 
honda and i inquire about what problems they have had they always seem to say
none.  then if i press them or ask them what stuff have they had to do i hear
stuff about warped rotors..mufflers that rust out early..steering wheel      
vibration...some odd electrical problems(interior lights that won't work..
wipers etc.).  yet they claim they have had no problems.  one person i know
had all of the afore mentioned problems and yet they still claim honda is 
perfect and they would not own any 'junky' american cars(her honda was made
in america by the way).  and the dealer ris her off every time.  they 
turned the rotors under warranty...but charged her $50 for new brake pads 
cause they claim they had 'worn' out at only 5k miles.  funny how all this
warranty work always ends up costing her something!
anyhow...my rambling point is that you need to know something about the person
who is telling you about their car...prejudices can skew the answers big time.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rvkl60@email.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes)
Subject: Re: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:41:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.072019.26514@cbnews.cb.att.com> jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota) writes:
>
>I believe the Chrysler LH cars are built in Canada.  True they are built in
>North America, but that's still not quite the same as being built in the U.S.A.
>With GM moving Camaro/Firebird (and rumoring Corvette) production to Canada.
>As well as Ford building several "domestic" cars outside the U.S.A.  I think
>the US auto manufacturers could try harder to build cars in the US.
>
>                                      Jeff

The LH is *assembled* in Canada; not the same thing a made in Canada.   What counts
is where the important components, such as engines, transmissions, suspension 
components, electronic controls, etc. are made.  From what I know, they are made in
the US.  Engineering and design was also done in the US.  Assembly is the lowest-
tech part of building most products, cars included, and the lowest value added.
Designing and building the high-dollar components is the hardest part.  That's 
on reason why Japanese car companies typically use lower cost US labor to screw 
their cars together, but make the big buck parts at home, as well as do the engineering
at home.

BTW, Chrysler claims the LH is 72% or so American made, and the brainwork in coming
up with that car was done in the US.  Sounds pretty American to me. :-)

Tom Mathes                                e-mail : rvkl60@email.sps.mot.com
Motorola Inc. / MOS Memory Products Div.  phone  : (512) 928-7627
Austin, Texas
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: plummer@vax  (William W. Plummer)
Subject: Re: help with ATC statement
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: plummer@babyoil.ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 10:40:35

I think the controllers at LWM must be the best and as a very green
student, I appreciate it.  I have never heard, "Square your turns",
but rather, "Extend your downwind", or "Can you make a short final
now?".   The intent is clear.  --Bill

--
William W. Plummer, N1NGK	plummer@ftp.com		508-659-6281
FTP Software, Inc.		2 High Street		N. Andover MA 01845


Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: verhulst@raven.aosg.gsf.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Air Sickness
Organization: AOSG
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:15:43 GMT

> My question, is it normal for beginning pilots to get
>airsick and with experience does the tendency to get airsick go away?

It's probably a personal thing.  I fly gliders 3 seasons per year.  Each spring,
when thermalling  after my "vacation" I have to call it quits after about
an hour - the constant circling and turbulence that often accompany thermals
get to me.  After a few flights, the problem disappears.  So, for me, it's a
matter of RECENT experience.  Your milage may vary.

Tony Verhulst
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: butchern@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com (Neil Butcher)
Subject: Re: Maximum number of hours prior to solo?
Organization: Motorola LTD
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:07:45 GMT

I've just heard a story about a person from Schaumburg Illinois (06C)
[where I did my training] who has clocked up 45 hours and is not solo yet!!
That's an awful lot of bucks man.

-- 
Neill Butcher,
[Private Pilot, Glider Pilot (instrument rated)]
Mechanical Designer
Motorola,
16 Euro Way,
Blagrove,
Swindon.
Wiltshire.
England. SN5 8YQ.
Tel No  +44 793 545434
Fax No  +44 793 541228
E-mail  butchern@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com
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From: margolin@oregon.uoregon.edu (Brian Margolin)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: Air Sickness
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:34:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: fp1-molb.margolin-040193191940
Followup-To: rec.aviation.student
Distribution: world
Organization: Institute of Molecular Biology
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-molbio-17.uoregon.edu

As I stated in a recent posting to this newsgroup I am in the early stages
of my flight training.  Yesterday I went up with my instructor and we were
going to practice various maneuvers during slow flight.   When we got up
there my instructor decided to cancel the slow flight practice because it
was extremely turbulent.  It was hard just to hold a course and keep my
wings level.  Because we were getting bumped around so much I ended up
getting airsick.  My question, is it normal for beginning pilots to get
airsick and with experience does the tendency to get airsick go away?

Brian Margolin
margolin@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: palmeri@vela.acs.oakland.edu (palmeri)
Subject: Re: Air Sickness
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:11:50 GMT

In article <margolin-040193191940@fp1-molbio-17.uoregon.edu> margolin@oregon.uoregon.edu (Brian Margolin) writes:
>As I stated in a recent posting to this newsgroup I am in the early stages
>of my flight training.  Yesterday I went up with my instructor and we were
>going to practice various maneuvers during slow flight.   When we got up
>there my instructor decided to cancel the slow flight practice because it
>was extremely turbulent.  It was hard just to hold a course and keep my
>wings level.  Because we were getting bumped around so much I ended up
>getting airsick.  My question, is it normal for beginning pilots to get
>airsick and with experience does the tendency to get airsick go away?
>
>Brian Margolin
>margolin@darkwing.uoregon.edu

I haven't starting flight training yet, but
I had the same question, Brian; you beat me to the net.  My first time
in a light plane I did not get queasy. It was in a C182, no turbulence
up to 9000 feet, sky was severe clear. However my 2nd ride in the
passenger seat of a C150 was different.  The pilot took us around the pattern;
it was a little bumpy, but nothing to get nauseated over, until he put
the plane into a 60 degree bank and pulled a 2G turn.  After that one I
thought I might hurl, possibly even blow chunks, but I managed to avoid
that.  However I was surprised that the feeling of nausea lasted until the 
next day.  
My first ride in a boat produced similar symptoms. Subsequent voyages
were comfortable, however.  I imagine you just get used to it.
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: Re: Maximum number of hours prior to solo?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:26:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.212623.16807
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From article <1993Jan12.155316.9214@news.duc.auburn.edu>, by davidm@dead.duc.auburn.edu (David Mcleod):
> In article 8740@ics.uci.edu, mmuller@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Mark Timothy Muller) writes:
> 
>>ps: my first attempted solo was at 18 hrs., first successful solo was in high
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>20's.
>>
> What do you mean by first attempted?

First attempt on mine meant that my instructor took me up and made me
do touch-and-go several times, each time trying hard not to say anything
acting like he was not there.  He finally said, let's head back and try
again another time.  That was with 15 hours, I got my solo after 17 hours.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter)
Subject: Re: help with ATC statement
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Date:  7 Jan 93 18:22:22 GMT

eckhouse@athena.mit.edu (D. Noah Eckhouse) writes:

>This morning I was flying touch-and-goes and the controller told me
>to:

>"Square your turn to base and final"  which I thought meant hurry up and
>get going with those two left handed turns.  Which I did.

>Is this what he meant?  Or did he mean to slow down and not round the
>turns too much.  As it was a westwind was landing the opposite way on
>the runway (on 11 not 29) and I had to pull a quick 180 and extend a
>bot more for him to taxi clear.  Not a crisis situation, but I was
>just curious.  The say that all the time.  

No, he meant to slow down and not round the turns too much.  And the
Westwind was the reason.  Had you flown the longer squared pattern,
rather than the quick, possibly rounded pattern, the controller figured
he would have the time to get the Westwind clear of the runway before
you needed it.  
-- 
Roger Ritter N1FZZ (R.Ritter@ma30.bull.com) PP-ASEL, AGI
1946 Luscombe 8A N71983 "Rocky"
Sheep do not so much fly as plummet!        NH CAP: Profile 49

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