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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:07:36 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: Re: Clinton's Plans, Already

In article <CHRISTIA%92110718264130@ASUACAD.BITNET>, MKLINE@VDH.BITNET (Michael
A. Kline) says:
>
>    Current events from 700 Club, Friday 11/6/92.
>
>    "This is Linda Freeman. The economy apparently won't be the only
>thing high on the President Elect's agenda. The word is leaking out of
>the Clinton Camp that one of the very first things he wants to do is
>start over turning some of President Bush's Pro-Life decisions.
>
>    Clinton reportedly will get rid of the so called "gag rule" that
>restricts anyone but doctors at federally subsidized clinics from
>counselling women about abortion.
>
>    It said he would also like to lift the ban medical research using
>tissue from aborted fetuses, as well as allow the abortion inducing pill
>RU486 into the United States.
>
>    Linda Freeman, CBN News."
>
>    What does it have to do with Christianity? We need to keep our eyes
>on what Clinton or any person in power does, to call our representatives
>and senators and keep up the fight, especially since the unborn means
>nothing to Clinton even when having a baby put in front of him with
>someone saying "What about the babies, Governor Clinton, What about the
>babies?" It sounds like he's going to show us what he thinks of the
>babies.
>
>Maks.
>
>    Stop biophobia, adopt, not abort.
>
>    I love all babies, born and unborn.
>
>"It is a great poverty to decide that a child must die that you may live
>     as you wish." - Mother Teresa of Calcutta.
>     -----------
>
>"The greatest gift of God, I would think, is the gift of life. The
>greatest sin of humans, it would seem, would be to return that gift
>ungratefully and unopened." - John Powell, S.J.

So Clinton's keeping his promises
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From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      Hi, I'm back!

I just wanted to thank everyone whop responded to my cry of help. Most
of the messages didn't arrive 'til yesterday evening, though. All
BITNET-Mails got stuck at our site. So now I'm back again.

Wolfgang <><
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanks, dude...

 :) May God Bless you, Lubosh.

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From: kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dust In The Wind)
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Subject: Cannibalism as a way to cure Famine
Summary: It is not needed, and it would not work.
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:41:13 GMT
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey


Brian Fern asks:

> Why ARE we letting people starve in Africa?  And why should we send our 55
> cents a month to Sally Struthers and crew when that money might be misused,
> knowing full well that if we instead sent the corpses of our 'dearly
> departed' that their bodies would ONLY be used for the purpose we intended.

The problem in Somalia/Ethiopia/etc is not that we haven't got enough food.
We have PLENTY of food.  The problem is that we don't want to send it.

(As an aside, corpses are an inefficient solution.  They have to be kept
 frozen, among other things.  Also, I doubt that people are particularly
 nutritious.  Americans tend to have a lot of fat, for example.  More
 seriously, you'd have to cook the meat to kill any germs or bacteria the
 deceased might have had, and cooked meat is low in numerous vitamins.
 Dying of scurvy is not a real improvement over dying of starvation.)

Somalia has the additional problem that because there is no government, much
of the food that we do send gets stolen from the docks, or from the trucks,
often at gunpoint.  Ethiopia does have a government, it just doesn't care if
anybody starves or not.


> I guess what I'm getting at is that, if we can use cannibalism for our
> own emergencies, why can't we use it for other's emergencies?  Aren't the
> Ethiopians famine just as real and serious as the Donner party's?

With the Donner Party, the only food source they knew of was each other; there
may have been other food in the woods, but they did not know what it was.  (I
don't know what it would have been either, so I'm in no place to criticise.)
The situation in Ethiopia is entirely different: there are numerous food
sources which can produce enough food to feed everybody.  We have plenty of
food; we just don't want to send any of it away.

Americans are, as a group, soft, lazy, and greedy.  We throw out enough food
in one year to feed everybody in Somalia -- that's just what we throw away.
Improved technology may help avoid and alleviate famines in the future, but
the real problem is not a technological one.  It is a social and spiritual
one.  We cannot fix it; only God can fix it.

I CAN fix the part of this problem which is caused by me; but that's all I
can do.  Sadly, I don't do a very good job of it.


Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu
"Glutton, n.  A person who escapes the evils of moderation by commiting
 dyspepsia." -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:08:08 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Whose will is dominant?

Excerpts from christia: 12-Nov-92 Re: Whose will is dominant? Bill
Chapman@HOUSING.MSS (1369)

> Maybe Eric is describing Adam's free will, and Jesse that of Adam's offspring.

No,  if I were discussing Adam's free will, I would say that we would
not need the grace of God to turn towards him.  I contend that Adams'
fall merely weakened and damaged the will of man.  Jesse believes I
assume in "total depravity," meaning that after the fall, man's will
became completely fettered, leaving man effectively without a free will.

Except that it seems to me Jesse's view of God's sovereignty demands
that no one have free will, which implies that Adam had no free will,
and that the angels have no free will, either.  This leaves us in a
quandry concerning the war between Michael and Lucifer, and leaves the
whole purpose of the battle between Satan and Christ in question.

Eric
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From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Test

Please ignore.

Shalom,
Memo.
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      THANKS LUBOSH!

Wow.
Man, your nephew is in my prayers.
My nephew will be three on Dec. 17th.
His name is Cameron O'Brian Hillman
What's your nephew's name???
How old is he?

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From:         "Jesse (laughing all day) Carnes" <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Point to Eric.
              12 Nov 1992 15:21:36 GMT from <creps@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Dear Steve Creps ;

You asked if "God could be in control without micro-managing our lives?"

My answer is yes, if your "god" is one that a Deist believes in, but such a
"god" is not the one of the Bible.

Remember folks, we are looking for    B I B L C A L definitions and Biblical
support by passages in their proper historico-grammaticalcontext.

Only the Word of God is Authoritative ... not MY opinion ... neither Creps',
Provine's , Brewer's , Graham's, etc.
What we are looking for is TRUTH ... not opinion.  And TRUTH only comes from
the Bible in its proper context.


Jesse Carnes
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From:         STYLESBG@WATT.CCS.TUNS.CA
Subject:      Re: Blood of Christ

very well written,  Jesse,  let's hear some more.  As D.L. Moody once told
a group of seminary graduates:  make much of the Blood (of Jesus).

Pastor Bill
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      NAVY ...

I have friends in the Navy who are already Christians.  One is
a pastor's son.  Neat, huh?  He's 5 days younger than me, but
already has a great start.  There was a commendation given to
him by his Superiors...
God Be Praised... Nathan is only 21.
WOW!

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From: DRAKE@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU ((MARK DRAKE))
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> It seems like people want a scapegoat
> so they don't have to take responsibility for their own sins.


You've got it, except for one "minor" detail :-)

Jesus IS our scapegoat!  ( Except most people don't want him.  Most people
also don't want to take responsibility for their sins. )

God provided a divine scapegoat to carry our sins away.    The term
scapegoat is actually from the bible.  If I remember right, it was
a part of the Day of Atonement.  This ritual instituted by God forshadowed
the Divine Scapegoat, Jesus.

	The reason for a scapegoat?  I think you know - we believe that people
will be and are held responsible for their sin.  However, the consequences of
being held responsible for your sins are unpleasant, to say the least. God,
for His own reasons, decided to provide a scapegoat, so that those who make
use of it do not have to suffer the eternal consequences of their sin.

mark
From: kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie)
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Subject: Christian Attitudes About Cannibalism
Summary: This is one party you don't want to crash.
Keywords: meat, cooking, starving, food, survival, `Woof!'
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:36:24 GMT
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Disclaimer: Brandy the WonderDog will apparently eat anything, but I don't
            want to find out.


Recently, on our local PBS station, there was a documentary on the ill-fated
Donner Party.

In brief, this was a group of 87 emigrants who moved from Illinois to
California in 1846/1847.  (For those without ready reference to a US map,
this is a distance of over 3000 kilometers.  Think of going from Barcelona
to Moscow, from Riyadh to Delhi, or from Mexico City to Bogota, Columbia.)

The party got caught in a terrible snowstorm in the Sierra mountains during
the winter and eventually ran out of food.  41 members of the group died.
(They got stuck primarily by following a supposedly quicker path, and one of
the survivors later wrote to a cousin "Never take no cut-offs, and hurry along
as fast as you can.")  The 46 people who survived did so in part by eating the
flesh of those who expired.

[ To be clear, some of those who were eaten were murdered first.  Most,
  however, just died of starvation with no foul play involved. ]

In true American fashion, the site of their camp is now a tourist spot, the
lake they camped at has been renamed for them, and there is a State Park
which includes plaques detailing the dates and events of their trip.  As
HL Mencken observed, "You will never go broke underestimating the taste of
the American public."


Eating people is strongly taboo in most human societies, but I have a strong
practical streak.  I think that if I were there, I'd _order_ people to eat
what was left of me should I croak, and I'd make sure they knew I wasn't going
to let them go to waste.  (Not that they would necessarily find this
reassuring.  1/2 8-)

Anyway, I can't think of any New Testament rules which directly pertain to
eating deceased humans.  People are obviously not Kosher, so I suppose if you
are following OT rules you've got some direct instructions (whether you follow
them in a time of life-threatening crisis is another matter).

I thought this might provide some lively discussion, and that it might serve
as a nice break from the political stuff or the predestination/free will
threads or the "You're a heretic!" `Am not!' "Are too!" articles.

So, what do people think about eating human flesh in order to survive?


Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu
"The situation was horrible, but not without its fascination."
                                                         -- Ambrose Bierce
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:26:58 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Clinton's Plans, Already

    Current events from 700 Club, Friday 11/6/92.

    "This is Linda Freeman. The economy apparently won't be the only
thing high on the President Elect's agenda. The word is leaking out of
the Clinton Camp that one of the very first things he wants to do is
start over turning some of President Bush's Pro-Life decisions.

    Clinton reportedly will get rid of the so called "gag rule" that
restricts anyone but doctors at federally subsidized clinics from
counselling women about abortion.

    It said he would also like to lift the ban medical research using
tissue from aborted fetuses, as well as allow the abortion inducing pill
RU486 into the United States.

    Linda Freeman, CBN News."

    What does it have to do with Christianity? We need to keep our eyes
on what Clinton or any person in power does, to call our representatives
and senators and keep up the fight, especially since the unborn means
nothing to Clinton even when having a baby put in front of him with
someone saying "What about the babies, Governor Clinton, What about the
babies?" It sounds like he's going to show us what he thinks of the
babies.

Maks.

    Stop biophobia, adopt, not abort.

    I love all babies, born and unborn.

"It is a great poverty to decide that a child must die that you may live
     as you wish." - Mother Teresa of Calcutta.
     -----------

"The greatest gift of God, I would think, is the gift of life. The
greatest sin of humans, it would seem, would be to return that gift
ungratefully and unopened." - John Powell, S.J.
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From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)
Subject: Re: God/Allah...
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:42:01 CST

Well, since Arabic is my mother language, let me try to clarify things.
The word 'Allah' is exactly the same as God. When we (Christians in 
Arab countries .. about 12 - 15 million) refer to God, we say 'Allah'.
'Son of God' translates into 'ibn Allah'. I feel upset when Christians
here - whether interntionally or not - refer to the word 'Allah' in
an inappropriate way. It is exactly like Jehova, Yahwe, Elohim, etc.

Now where does the confusion come from ? In Islam, God is referred to
as 'Allah' (since both words are *exactly* synonymous). However, when
translating to a non-Arabic language, Muslims prefer to not translate
'Allah' into 'God', as a sign of respect to the word (Exactly like
Jehova/Yahwe in the OT).  Then non-Muslims who are not familiar with
this, mistakingly think that 'Allah' is the *name* of God in Islam,
rather than being the *word* 'God' itself.

Irene pasi,

Nabil
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:09:37 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 11/4

"Jesus said, "After a person has had a bath, his whole body is clean.  He needs
only to wash his feet" (John 13:10).

"God is in the light.  We should live in the light, too.  If we live in the
light, we share fellowship with each other.  And when we live in the light, the
blood of the death of Jesus, God's Son, is making us clean from every sin" (1
John 1:7).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
From: TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET (THERESA BLACKWELL)
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Subject: Me Either...
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:40:40 GMT
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I sure wouldn't want to find out that my kids, or worse...my Nephew
was reading the Satanic Bible.
Sheesh.
There are some extremely good books that should not be banned from
libraries.  I'll list a few here that I've read:
Les Miserables - Victor Hugo
The Pilgrim's Progress - John Bunyan (still working on this)
*IF* they have it, Born on the Fourth of July - I didn't like the
language in either the book or the movie, but I loved the story.
This book is part of the history that was being made during the year
i was born (1971).  It's important, I think for kids to know what happened
in the same year they were born.  Kinda gives them some insight into
why things happen when they are growing up. Historically speaking, of
course.
But, then I'm an AMERICAN history buff.
"G"

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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:18:38 EST
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      another radio program...

Len writes...
Whether you like Rush L. or not I'd recommend some of the following
daily radio programs on Christian radio stations:

>>> suggestions deleted...                                              e

>>>>  I agree...I listen to most of these programs when I am
able...I can listen to Christian radio at work and sometimes
I get involved with the program and take a break from work :-)

Another recommendation...

Prime Time America is on from 4:30-6 or 6:30 est.  It is live and
usually discusses current news events, music, talks with
authorities on the news, politics, sports, entertainers, etc.
A radio magazine, I guess.

Carol Nemec
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Reply-Prayer Request-Andie

Hi Andie,

Praise the Lord!!!!!
I'm so  glad that you  received Jesus  as your personal  Savior. Remember
that just as  a baby has to be  nurtured and cared for and  fed the right
things  like milk  at first;  just take  one day  at a  time. I  hope you
are with  a church  that teaches  the Word and  has Bible  studies, etc.,
that will help you stay with reading and studying the Word.

Dear Heavenly Father,

Father I  praise you for bringing  Andie into your precious  kingdom. You
said that the angels  rejoice when one soul is saved.  Father this is the
greatest  thing that  can happen  to Andie.  Father give  her wisdom  and
and understanding  and lead  and guide  her by  your Holy  Spirit. Father
I pray that  your will be done in  every aspect of her life  now and that
she will put her hand in yours and do only those things that are pleasing
to you. I pray  that she make you Lord of her life  and not put anyone or
anything  before you  Lord. Let  this seed  that has  been planted  be on
fruitful  soil.  Father  please  strengthen  her by  the  power  of  your
Holy Spirit.  Thank you for her  salvation and let receive  all the bene-
fits  that you  have  in store  for  her.  In Jesus  Name  I pray.  Amen.

Welcome Andie into the body of Christ and a family that loves you and
will be praying for you.

Love,

Shelby--
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Date: 13 Nov 92 07:31:10 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIA%92111111465615@ASUACAD.BITNET>, NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET (Jesse Carnes) writes:
> Dear Richard;
> 
> Just a little "fail-safe" device to find out whether my private E-mail
> post made it to you.I am on Bitnet, you see.

Ah, you poor backward individual.  Here in the Mother Country we're on the 
Starship Internet!!   You've got my messages by now.

But be encouraged!!!  (Everyone!!)  The Lord is our rock and cannot be 
shaken!!

> 
> In Christ ;
> 
> Jesse Irwin Carnes


Richard Coeur de Lion
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Subject:      Re: Trinity...

Janie:

You are correct indeed.  Just as the songwriter states in Holy, Holy, Holy...
God in three persons blessed Trinity.

Gloria
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Subject:      Jealous God

Item Retrieval Assistant, DADS
Phone: 588-6757

I've seen some postings on here referring to a jealous God when talking
about the Christian god.  Could someone please provide me with some
scripture backing that up?  Please send it privately, since I'm sure
most people here know about it already.  Thanks!
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From:         "(Carol Slingo)" <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: to the namecallers
              subtract, it multiplies." at Nov 10, 92 4:31 pm

Just a reminder to people who just _have_ to call other people names:

You can get all our addresses by sending a short message to the LISTSERV
and do this privately.

Thank you,

In God's Peace,

Carol Slingo
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From:         "(Glenn Radinsky S05152@doc.flc.colorado.edu)"
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Subject:      Thanks for the post

Thanks for the post, Craig.  The Scripture at the end was well
worth considering and reading as well (as most Scripture is ;-)..)
I am sincerely hoping for more love and gentleness on this list,
and I think we have seen that oer the past couple of days.  Praise
the Lord, and let's hope that it continues...

                                Glenn
From: STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Julie Nott)
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Subject: Before the foundation of the world
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:06:55 GMT
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To ksb@santafe.edu and anyone else interested!

Our pastor has used a verse that refers to the fact that Jesus knew
and formed us in our mother's womb.  This is a *very* powerful verse
to use in the argument against abortion!

The verse is Psalm 139.  I don't have my bible here with me or I would
quote it.  Maybe someone else could, or I will tomorrow.

Julie M. Nott
Univ of KY
<str008@ukcc.uky.edu>
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