HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:23:06 EDT
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
 <1992Sep8.033525.17023@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
 <1992Sep8.232703.16020@zooid.guild.org>
 <1992Sep8.233555.16515@zooid.guild.org>

Well, I just HAVE to give my reasons for buying a Falcon...

It's cheap...
It'll run Spectre GCR I'm sure even if David Small has to hammer it into
it so there's no problem with a software shortage...
The best reason to buy IBM is for all the free pirated warez you can
get... AHOY MATEYS!
I'm a musician and that DSP is better than most samplers that cost
twice as much and I can even play tetris with it...
My Atari ST that I bought in late 1985 has not gathered dust yet...
I'd like Atari to prosper and I don't think they will but I do think
they will survive, like it or not, so I'm not afraid of my toy
becoming an antique until it ought to.
I've got to get something to tide me over until I can afford an Indigo...
Even if Atari bites the big one, I'm computer literate enough to keep
my trusty Falcon going for many years yet...
A similar argument as to why one should buy IBM can be made about the
macintosh except that they throw in a free snooty attitude...  Back in
the good old days when I worked at a computer store which didn't sell
Apple stuff, we could spot the mac users as they entered the store
and would on occasion tell them we didn't carry apple stuff before they
could open their mouth to ask the question.  God was that fun.
They looked like a deer in headlights when you did that to 'em...
IBM and Apple have no imaginations and this is the real reason I won't
buy either of them...
My Atari 800 from 1980 hasn't kicked the bucket yet either...
My Atari Lynx is an amazing techno wonder which has made travel
loads more fun
My Atari VCS from 1977 hasn't kicked the bucket yet and I still like some
of the games now and then...
My Atari Portfolio is a neat toy, and comes in handy for taking notes
at conferences although I really ought to get it some memory...
My Atari 7800 from 1988 has some really cool games and with the Big-Lots
buyout of all the software, I was able to acquire most of them...
As for serious computing, I laugh at anything under 10 MFLOPS but that
Falcon will make one hell of a word processor/synthesizer/video game/
terminal/graphics toy/Mathematica Machine.

I'll be happy with it, and if anything more imaginative comes out (Hint
Hint Commodore dudes) I'll buy that too...

So hit me with your techie geekoid arguments that the Falcon is
a commie plot to subvert computerdom...  I don't care about them,
I'll just ignore them because I know what I like in a computer...
I wish the Falcon had a faster CPU, but I'm sure that will be possible...
If commodore comes out with something better, then more power to
them, and less money in my bank account...  Apple or IBM release
a truly cool computer?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Scott
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:58:58 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep8.153600.11388@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
>The "problem" is that OTHER platforms have a lot of different
>compression formats.  Add to this the fact that it's fairly easy to
>translate software to the ST.  If there weren't any C compilers for
>the ST, then life would be wonderful, because we wouldn't have any of
>those "awful" archive formats that they have on other computers.

	Whats wrong with lots of different compression formats?  With them in
existance, you can be sure that there are people that are out there who are
thinking about making newer/better compression schemes.  However, there _is_
a problem with having lots of compression schemes, but not picking one as a 
"standard", or you end up (like most of us Atari people) with Megabytes used
here and there for different de/compressors.  

>There's really only a couple of unique Atari formats (the DC real-time
>compressor, and a couple of programs that compress executables), and
>they're seldom used for distribution purposes...

	And they aren't neccessarily all that great - you can't use them on
another system.  This is very important for most of us on the NET as most
of us use non-Atari systems to move and examine the files from the NET.
I usually look at files on my Unix account before dling them.  I'm green
with envy for someone who has an Atari on Ethernet and doesn't need to go
through a UNIX/PC/MAC to get their files.

>>Well, maybe not, but self-extracting files sure make my life a lot easier.
>It makes YOUR life easier, but not for the rest of us.  I often will
>ftp files to my UNIX system, and check the dox to see if it's worth
>downloading (at a pretty LOUSY baud rate) to the ST at home.

	Hey, slow down there partner.  Nearly every self-extracting archiver 
out there is one that was ported from other systems (ie zip,etc.).  And most
of them can still be extracted/viewed as a normal compressed file (ie you can
unzip a zipped .sea on your UNIX host).  So using a .sea is not a bad idea.
It is a bad idea to use a .sea that is not unarchivable on other systems.

>If there's some ENORMOUS file on atari.archive, I'd like to know
>what's in it BEFORE I try downloading it.  SEAs are NOT acceptable for
>this (common) purpose.

see above.


>>Those without an ST should just buy one :-)
>
>I've got TWO.  I can't use either of them ON SITE.

	If only we could.  <sigh>

>-- 
>Christopher Browne
>cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
>University of Ottawa
>Master of System Science Program

-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jarleb@athena.uio.no (Jarle Brinchmann)
Subject: Re: MOD players
Reply-To: jarleb@athena.uio.no (Jarle Brinchmann)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:21:52 GMT

In article <A46833@K2.maus.de>, Dirk_Steins@k2.maus.de (Dirk Steins) writes:
> A>Just wondering if anyone out there has heard of a MOD player that will
> A>play MODs at random, say from a given disk.
> 
> Yeah, there's something like that out there in the world. It's an accessory
> called Paula. You need version 2.0 for the random play facility. The
MOD-Files

< Adress of the author and more deleted )



> PAULA20.LZH should also be available via tfp, but i'm not sure about
that. In
> the archive there's an german and english documentation.
> 
> bye, Dirk
> --

Well, I started xarchie, and it came up with :

paula20.lzh is on

athene.uni-paderborn.de 

/pcsoft/atari/tools/sound/

					Jarle.
From: cordes@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Is FontGDOS widely available yet?
Summary: Is FontGDOS cleared for release beyond GENie?
Keywords: Font,GDOS
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:39:59 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


 Has the issue of the public availability of the FontGDOS released by Atari 
to GENie been resolved? In particular, I'm wondering if anyone got 
'official' clearance from Atari to post the complete package, including the 
required new printer drivers, to BBS's, etc.

John Cordes
Dept. of Physics
Dalhousie University
Halifax, N.S., Canada  B3H 3J5
email: cordes@ac.dal.ca
From: pietrzak@sparc7.cs.uiuc.edu (John Pietrzak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
Summary: Sorry about the flaming
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:38:29 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

I've just re-read the posting I made about Chris Mauritz' complaints on the
Falcon.  I must apologize for how much flaming entered into it.  I've
really got to stop reading news at 7:00 in the morning...

John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Re: HELP me find Petra, please...
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:29:24 GMT

In <1686212DA7.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:

>     Hello,  thank you for reding my message.  Really the title says it all.
>Do you know where a program called petra is.  It (I was told) fools software
>specifically Paula into thinking you have a DMA sound chip.

Yes, that's exactly what Petra is all about. I read  through  the
text  files  accompanying  petra  and it says there that Petra is
shareware and may be distributed via BBS and  PD  systems.  So  I
figured  I  could  upload  it to an ftp site. I chose athene.uni-
paderborn.de, because that's where I found Paula. Petra's current
location at athene.uni-paderborn.de is /atari/incoming/petra.arj.
Doing anonymous ftp, you can't view the incoming/ directory,  but
you  can  still  download petra with the ordinary "get petra.arj"
command.
I'm telling this in such detail because I'm not sure if my way of
uploading  to the ftp site was correct. Especially, I'm wondering
whether I'm supposed to drop a note to the  manager  of  the  ftp
site  explaining  what the uploaded stuff is. Any comment on this
would be appreciated.

Greetinx, Jan

 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
 |             Internet: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de               |
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 *----=<  hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans  >=-----*

P.S.: If Jon (jonal@sofus.dhalden.no) reads this:  You  asked  me
about Petra via mail and I tried to answer you. However, the mail
kept bouncing (unknown host). Anyway, I hope this information  is
what you were looking for.
From: Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Should Z*Net be created
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:10:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Sep13.145221.12754@zooid.guild.org>
  <1992Sep13.145820.12857@zooid.guild.org>
  <1992Sep13.193322.12128@u.washington.edu>

Folks here are beginning to understand why Kovarski isn't on Fnet
anymore. I sure do. I don't laugh when I see people who can't learn
from experience, it makes me sad. Happy bytes,
 
DF
From: Julian_Reschke@ms.maus.de (Julian Reschke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:42:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: MS.A47273
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

I. Barnett (gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca) wrote:
>Let's compare adding new fonts: on the mac,  you drag the font file(s)
>to system folder and you're done.  On the ST, you have to get into arcane
>GDOS files like assign.sys and extend.sys.

...starting with System 7 (before, you needed different fonts for
real printing and for the screen).

This, of course, will be handled by FSMGDOS, when it's finally released.
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.audio,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:34:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <BuG1wq.85E@world.std.com> dmoran@world.std.com
(david r moran) writes:

(texted edited)

1.  Would it be possible to edit extraneous data like .signatures?
Not a critique per say David because others are greater offenders than
you, sir :-)

2.  I have been contemplating the this topic at length and I am
working out the details to test for this audiblity.  If the results
are meaningfull and repeatable I intend to write a paper about it  and
submitt it to AES for publication.

My problem is that I can set up a listening test to determin if
frequencies above what we can "hear" effect out "enjoyment" (for lack
of a better term) of said music,  but to be able to demonstrate the
effect I need a recording media that has wide enough bandwith to
record, with reasonable, accuracy the overhead bandwith.

If I use an analog deck then I am afraid that some will attribute
any additional effects to that media......

I can photo document the facts on a spectrun analyzer but how do I
support that fact?

>This is all bullshit. What such people need (among other things) is
>to get an audiogram. First things first: what one can and cannot hear.
>Test self before posting. Or writing in a magazine.

3.  David are you still sensitive about the beating you took and
handed out again?

I would like to comment but it seems that the wounds are still
sore.....

-- 
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chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:59:31 GMT

>You can configure ANYTHING in OS/2 2.0, including what you want to install.
>My swap file doesn't exceed 2 MB. You must be joking when saying, "it feels
>like a 8 mhz ST." Have you really tried it. I see NO speed decreases in OS/2
>at all. As a matter of fact, I am running it on a 486/50 MHz DX with 16MB
>RAM and ATI Graphics Ultra. It is as fast as a TT with NVDI loaded in. The

Yes, I've used it, in fact, I can step over right now and use it on a 50mzh 
486, I'll grab a window and move it, and I bet it won't be as fast as the ST, I
bet it even uses the swap file just to move that little window around, I'll go 
check and be right back...

OK, well, the screen display *is* snappier than I remembered, but certainly not
*faster* than an ST with Quick ST III installed, but I have to admit I may have
understated the speed, but not by much! I was absolutely correct about the disk
swap, I opened Drive C, grabbed the window, and dragged it into the upper left 
hand corner of the screen, it accessed the hard drive just to do this.

I can't say I *hate* OS/2 as much as I do Windows, but you must be joking when 
you say it is "as fast as a TT with NVDI loaded in". :-)
---------------------------------------------------------------------->
|-! -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- And now a .sig sure to insult (or at least baffle) 95% of all computer users:

  |||    - Dos and Macintosh = Standardization and Stagnation -     //
 / | \   - Atari and Commodore = Innovation and Invention     -   \//
From: joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "OPERATION: A.C.T. NOW" announcement
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:59:51 GMT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:

> 
> In a previous article, winston@merk.com (Winston Smith) says:
> 
> >
> >     Isn't it amazing how in the U.S.A. these "grass roots" campaigns to
> >increase ATARI awareness in the major media outlets --JUST HAPPEN-- to
> >spontaneously occur whenever ATARI is launching a new product ?  What a
> >coincidence!  Do you all remember:  "THE REVOLUTION" ?
> >
> 
> 
> The REVOLUTION was a different story entirely.  There isn't one person
> doing these campaigns and they aren't silly.
> 
> There won't be any egg hunts, Oprah write-ins, or Rosanne days.
> 
> This is probably a best time for a campaign.  WHEN Atari is releasing
> new products.
> 
> If you wish to discuss these campaigns and have access to Free-Net,
> there is a discussion board on there.
> 
> These campaigns are also attempting to FIRST help correct any problems
> at Atari.  The REVOLUTION had confidence that everything was in great
> shape at the company.
> 
> Yes, there are flaws like with everything else, but if you are tired
> of lack of support, you should say something.  Everyone should say
> something.
> 
> 
> -- 
>  


Len;

  Although I personally don't hold out much hope for your success, I do
wish you the best of luck.  I do remember the Revolution and did 
take part in it.  I even got some letter back from some of the companies
I sent them to.  They all seemed to say the same thing, "I'm not going to
do Atari's job for them".  This is once again doing Atari's job for them.
Atari needs to advertise their product to the general public.  I'm not
talking about the few advertisements place in some of the professional
musician magazines, nor am I talking about a few advertisements placed in
some of the gaming magazines.  What is needed to inform the general public
about the wonderful qualities of the Atari computer is an indepth
advertising campaign.  This included newspaper ads, magazine ads, TV ads,
radio ads, etc.  Yes, this is very expensive, but if Atari Corporation is
going to live on it is going to have to do this.

  I know for a fact that Atari developers are moving away from the Atari
platform.  I was talking to a developer who lives in Girade Ohio.  He is
in the process of porting all of his Atari programs to the IBM because,
as he says, I can't make a living writing for Atari".  Dr. T has just
announced it is dropping all support for Atari, Hybrid Arts no longer exists
(yes I know it has been purchased by Barefoot Software).  The point is, if
Atari would do its homework and advertise its computers to the general
public we would be gaining developers, not losing them.

Again, Good Luck with your campaign.  I have downloaded my form and
intend to fill it out and send it to you.  If there is any further
help that I can be in your quest please let me know.  I have to advise
you at the outset that I really don't hold out much hope of any
success, but, as true Atarians we do have to try, don't we.......
From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: selective accessories at boot
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:32:53 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

morris@divsun.unige.ch (mike morris) writes:
> In article 12311736@meena.cc.uregina.ca, selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca () writes
> >Is there some software out there that will allow me to select which,
> >if any, of the memory resident programs and desk accessories I want
> >loaded when booting the computer from the hard drive? If so, is it pd?
> >Shareware? Where can it be obtained? Thanks.
 
  Actually, I'd suggest HAZEL.  It has a few warts, but it has GFA source 
code included, and it allows selection of desktop.inf and assign.sys 
files, as well as auto folder programs and desk accs.  And nicest of all, 
it only activates if you hold down left-shift while booting.  Otherwise 
it assumes your setup is fine as-is.
 
  Of course, you'll still need Headstart if you want to autorun a program 
but that's all right - I prefer several smaller programs to one big one.
 
 - Mark Hughes (Caves of Steel 509-624-2078)  mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
From: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Newstuff: uniterm?
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:53:38 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au

Is the uniterm which is mentioned in this week's posting of new stuff
actually an update of uniterm? If so, what's new in it?
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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari accessories for sale
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:26:42 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

I have the following atari items for sale, as I just sold my computer
today:

software: (includes boxes and docs)
DBMan (database III+ clone)
LDW Power (VP Planner clone - Lotus comp)
Flight Simulator II (color STe version)
Mig 29 Fulcrum - special addition with book on mig
GST C compiler
Michtron SuperConductor MIDI sequencer

hardware:
ST analog monitor cable
4 mode docking bay joystick with option stick/thumb control and auto-fire
generic joystick (flight style 2(parallel) buttons)
2 joystick extension cables

Books:
Compute Atari ST programmers guide
Abacus books - almost complete set - titles I remember
	Atari ST Gem Reference Guide
	Atari ST Internals
	Atari ST 3d Graphics programming
	Atari ST Graphics and sound
	Atari ST Peeks and Pokes
	Atari ST MIDI programming
(might be more)

Other misc:
NAP analog amber monitor (video and audio inputs)
6502 assembly programming (book)

Make offer(s) if you are interested (be sure to include whether or
not your offer is with or without shipping)

swood

(313) 801-0586

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Should Z*Net be created
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:58:20 GMT


No, I think it is a really bad idea to create Z*Net groups since you
will see 1 message per month and besides Z*Net MAG (ST) is a "cheerleading"
magazine for the ST and does not represent the reality. Its ST Editor was/is
a person that likes to control other peoples views hence he has never heard
of freedom of free speech. He is constantly bashing ST*Report and other
publications that do not agree with him or any other Atari representatives.
I think it is a total waste of time to create such newsgroups.

Sincerely,
Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Buying a Falcon (was: Falcon Graphics)
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:27:03 GMT

bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.153742.21904@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>[ stuff deleted ]
>
>>
>>I have just purchased a system which costs the same as 5-6 Falcon computers.
>>It offers all I would ever want and much more. I know it will be supported
>>and supported well. Software is available everywhere and I can go and buy
>>anything for it everywhere. 
>>
>
>Hmm, what I could buy with $4500+...  Let's see, TT030, 8MB, 120MB HD, 20"
>multisync, Crazy Dots graphics card, maybe throw in a printer too...  :)
>
>I believe that would offer all I could want for quite some time.  At least
>until 64-bit home computers/parallel processors become widely available.  :-)
>
>>Mark K.
>>E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
>> 
>
>Ben Gilbert
>bgilbert@cs.washington.edu

I am planning on buying the 586 as soon it comes out. ;-)

Yes, I could have bought a TT but I couldn't care less about it. What do you
get for $5300-$5500 Canadian you might ask.

- 17 inch MAG Multisync Monitor (spectacular monitor with LCD display)
- 16 MB RAM
- 486/50 MHz DX, 256 KB Cache
- 250 MB Backup Unit
- CD-ROM
- Printer (Star NX-2430)
- Full-Tower case with dual fans
- 2 HD drives
- 130 MB Pro series HD (the fastest available)
- Special I/O card (buffered, error free downloading in background + contains
  2 serial ports / game port/ parallel and IDE adaptor)
- ATI Graphics Ultra (extremely fast)
- PAS-16 (Digitize/Play at 16-Bit 44 KHz)
- Key Pro, the best keyboard around. Programmable, anything you want, it has.
- 3 Button Mouse
- OS/2 2.0

I don't have to mention software since you know how much there is out there.
It is constantly updated, so you know it is always improved. Dealers are
everywhere. How fast is it? Well, the window opening and closing is as fast as
a TT with NVDI installed (or WARP 9). This is running OS/2 2.0 which is a
very complex OS (according to IBM, 3 Million lines of code).

Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org