HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anonymous@mars.uni
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Thanks for the Macintosh advice with PS-files.
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:47:05 GMT
Organization: Interplanetary Usenet Administration

Thanks to all you who helped me with printing raw Postscript
on a Laserwriter; the solution was more simple than I had
thought since there is this program, SendPS, written just for 
doing this..

It seems that you can also print PostScript with Word, but I don't
have it. Anyway, SendPS worked fine today when I tried it, now
I have a nice, 4-meter-long USENET Domain System chart :-), and
next week I'll go print the MicroEMACS documents...

ObHack: This posting. (Hopefully I don't screw it up...;)

-- 
kennu@mits.mdata.fi
(signature intentionally left here...)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: gilligan@cs1.bradley.edu (Edward Henigin)
Subject: hey y'all
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:46:08 GMT


First, just what the heck is an ObHack?  I grok Hack, but not the Ob
part.

my ObHack:
The computers in one lab at my school are all networked, and when you 
boot them, they go to a menu.  I hate menus, especially when I didn't
write it myself.  I like to be in control.  The <ctrl>-<break> key
was disabled, and the [exit to dos] command on the menu required a
password.
So what did I do?
Something pretty simple, I assume (and hope) that others before me have
done this.
I went into one of the applications on the menu, at random (I picked 
Lotus 123) and forked a shell to dos, where I typed the data files
for the menu program.  The passwords were there, not even encrypted.

ed
--
|ed -- gilligan@camelot.bradley.edu                                          |
|   -- gilligan@cs1.bradley.edu     | If you want a friend, feed any animal. |
|    Are you deviant?  Probably.    |           -Jane's Addiction            |
Newsgroups: alt.education.disabled
From: nautilus@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (John M. Twilley)
Subject: Facilitated Communication Network Idea
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:41:41 GMT

I recently attended a state-wide convention of People First of CT, a 
self-advocacy group.  During the convention, I had the privilege of 
conversing with an individual who communicates using nothing but a
small computer to type on.  I had the idea of finding others who 
use similar equipment and attempting to get them to communicate
together.  If anyone knows of any non-profit organization or state or
federal agency (I have spoken with the Connecticut DMR, and they are
trying to find me some other people like my new friend) who could
be interested, or any company willing to donate old terminals for this
purpose, please pass this information around.  For more information,
send electronic mail to nautilus@acm.rpi.edu, or US mail to:

Jack Twilley
315 Judson Avenue
Mystic, CT  06355

(203) 572-0477

Thanks! I appreciate the support and assistance.
-- 
John M. Twilley             | It's only premarital sex if 
nautilus@acm.rpi.edu        | you're going to get married.
twilley@dewey.nusc.navy.mil |                --anonymous
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.student
From: anderson@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terry Anderson)
Subject: Introduction of First Speaker - Dr. David Sewart
Originator: bansup-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bansup-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:18:12 GMT

The following is an introduction to the final First Speaker in the Bangkok
Project, Dr. David Sewart.  The Topic of this session is Distance Education and
Student Support.  David is just returning from Bangkok on the 16th, however he
has forwarded some initial remarks which follow in the next message.


Subject: Introduction of David Sewart
From: Robin Mason

I would like to introduce my colleague at the Open University, Dr. David 
Sewart.  

Dr. David Sewart was one of the Open University's first part' time staff
when it began its teaching programme in 1971 and he joined the full-time
staff at the end of 1972.  Since then he has worked in the University's
North West Regional Centre where he was Regional Director from 1980 to
1986 and last year commenced his second term of secondment to Milton 
Keynes as Director, Regional Academic Services with responsibility for
coordination of the activities of the University's 13 Regional Centres
and 265 Study Centres in the United Kingdom and the development of its
student services in Europe.

Dr. Sewart is presently President of the International Council for
Distance Education and Editor of the ICDE Bulletin.

(David's term of office as President of ICDE ends at the end of the
Bangkok Conference)

Robin Mason

-- 
submitted by: Terry Anderson
Network Coordinator, Bangkok Project
Dept. of Educational Psychology                     Ph 403-284-0922
University of Calgary                              Fax 403-289-4471    
Calgary, AB. Canada T2N 1N4              InterNet ANDERSON@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.student
From: anderson@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terry Anderson)
Subject: Your Reactions from Bangkok
Originator: bansup-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bansup-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:15:02 GMT

Hi David
As one of the many who did not go to the ICDE conference in Bangkok, I was
wondering if you could share any insights or experiences - especially as
regards to student support.  

Although in your introduction you mentioned the divergence and specialization
of professionals involved in distance education (into tutors, course
developers, guidance specialists etc.) I've noticed a trend in Canada to use
more interactive technologies (mostly through audio teleconferencing), less
course development and instructional design that looks a lot like class room
dissemination and discussion. This results in demands for teacher/tutors to
revert to generalists for a large variety of student support services.  

Given the option to choose, I'm beginning to think that we are further ahead to
scale down the specialization when ever possible and empower students and staff
to work together as individuals and in small groups in the development of
customized educational solutions. I realize that logistics and large student
numbers mitagate against this type of model, but it seems to me to be a
direction to aim - as opposed to developing "industrial" and mass market
systems, with specialized student support systems.

Terry


--------------------------------------------------------------
Terry Anderson.
Network Coordinator, Bangkok Project
Dept. of Educational Psychology                     Ph 403-284-0922
University of Calgary                              Fax 403-289-4471    
Calgary, AB. Canada T2N 1N4              InterNet ANDERSON@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.student
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Bangkok CMC
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:40:49 GMT


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Date:        Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:30:01 EST
From:        "JOHN SNEED, COORDINATOR OF TELELEARNING, F-114B 30"
             <AAJN@CATCC>
Subject: Bangkok CMC

For those interested in pursuing CMC in developing world conversation in
regards to Africa, I just received announcement of a new listserv
directly addressing issues raised during Bankok discussion.  List is
Africana@WMUVM1, and to subscribe send message as usual to
listserv@WVUM1 "sub africana your name.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John Sneed    AAJN@CATCC
Coordinator of Telelearning
Catonsville Community College
Catonsville, MD   21228
Phone 410 455-4179
Fax   410 455 4386
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Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Bangkok-CMC Use
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:53:41 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date:     Sun, 15 Nov 1992 08:19 MDT
From:     <CATPURL@UNMB>
Subject:  Bangkok-CMC Use
     I have worked in two Bureau of Indian Affairs schools where ENAN, the
Educational Native American Network (described by Lani Gunawardena) could
have been used for curriculum purposes...That is, all the requisite technology
was in place.  However, the teaching staffs didn't have the training to
understand how CMC could be used, particularly to enhance traditional
education in rural schools.
     I viewed an educational technology program last week on Mind Extension
University, in which a guest, Bobby Kurshan, was talking about the lack of
teaching materials for those teachers that want to use CMC.  As I've looked for
guidance in program planning that utilized CMC, I have found very little.  I've
learned alot about how to implement CMC use by participating in this
conference.
     I think Eugene Rubin's comment about CMC being fledgling technology for
the educational community is an important one. I find Fabio Chacon's comments
earlier that there is a need to design pedagogical functions and training also
very important.

Catherine Purley, Librarian
Laguna Middle School
(505) 552-9091
Box 268
Laguna, New Mexico 87026
CATPURL@unmb

Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: BANCMC ~
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:52:18 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:01:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Peter Hellmonds 34002 <PHELLMONDS@worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: BANCMC ~#
Mick Souder from St. Paul, Minnesota USA   writes:

> CMC (and CMC based DE) can be *an* answer to poverty by offering people
> in an underdevveloped region (in worlds 1-3 and a-z) an opportunity to learn
> and use marketable skills. CMC would also allow them to use thoses skills in
> their location as telecommuters.  Once the wiring goes up and the network is
> in place, there is no reason for people to *have* to move to cities for
> employment.

Unfortunately, unlike in developed countries, most countries on the way to
developing into technology-based societies are still lacking the basic
infrastructure to allow for networking. In many developing countries, the
telecommunications infrastructure is so hopelessly underdeveloped (we're talking
of phone densities of about 0.2 % in Africa as opposed to 50 % in the USA) that
the business of "once the wiring goes up and the network is in place" is the
major constraint and needs to be tackled with vehemence. Unfortunately, this
calls for high investment, and many telecom operators haven't been allowed to
charge fees high enough to generate the revenues required for self-financing of
the infrastructure development requirements.

> By the same token, a lack access to DE and CMC is in itself a kind of poverty
> that deprives people the ability to participate in the discourse of the
> world using emerging technology.

Agreed, but how are we to give them access if it requires much more than just
buying a cheap PC clone and hooking it up to a phone line simply because the
phone line isn't existing?

> The trick is helping people in underdeveloped areas to not only use CMC in
> academic settings but to transfer the CMC skills to enhance a person's
> ability to profit from the technology economically.

Please explain how you want to accomplish this trick. I'd be glad to get some
fresh insights. I don't mean to sound too pessimistic, but I'd like to hear some
concrete proposals as to how we can accomplish major (and I mean "MAJOR")
investments for many countries, considering that the benefits from the
investment accrue over a long time period, with an initial lack and later
take-off, while the bunk of investment has to come up-front.

-- Peter
(NB: I am only talking for myself and not for the organization employing me.)


Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Caribbean CMC
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:01:30 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 08:11:50 EST
From: W.Paul.Lang@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Caribbean CMC

Is anyone aware of listservers, etc. for the Caribbean basin, and
particularly Belize?  My interests are in CMC and health, but
I would like to assess general availability.  Thanks for
any information.
Paul Lang
School of Dentistry, U of Michigan
gb6g@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: BANCMC:  DEOS-L
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:56:52 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 92 09:50:18 EST
From:         Betty Braaksma <BRAAKSMA@VM2.YorkU.CA>
Subject:      Re: BANCMC:  DEOS-L #51; Dr. Mason.

Contact North, based in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada is a distance education
delivery network, which provides "access centres" to communities across
northern Ontario. As I understand it, students are quite happy to come to
the centres for teleconferencing and the centres are a success. I'm not sure
how far Contact North had developed their computer conferencing yet. I can
provide names, addresses etc. to anyone interested. Please email me:

              BRAAKSMA@VM2.YorkU.CA

                                   Regards,
                                   Betty Braaksma
                                   Off-Campus Library Services
                                   York University, Toronto
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: R.D.Mason@open.ac.uk
Subject: access to cmc
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:43:26 GMT

The point of access to computer conferencing, it seems to me, is an issue 
which relates to some of the points various contributors have made.  
Students can access their conferencing system from a machine located: 
at their educational institution,
from study centres spread out over a wider area 
from their workplace
or from their personal computer and modem at home. 
There are applications using all these models.  Obviously, provision of 
machines at the host institution or even at several study centres is much more 
feasible for developing countries in terms of costs and telecommunications 
infrastructure than provision in the workplace or by the students themselves.

Use of study centres is not deeply embedded into the educational culture in 
the UK, as it is in Mediterranean and Scandinavian cultures for instance.  
Students in the UK will not go out of their homes to a study centre to use 
computer conferencing.  (the terrible weather? the British character? my home 
is my castle mentality?)  However, I believe that conferencing from terminals 
or study centres *does* work in other countries.  Does anyone have experience 
of this?  Could this work in developing countries?

Robin Mason  

Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: DEOS-L  BANCMC:  response to Dan Coldeway
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:27:39 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:42 EST
From: Theodore_E_STONE@umail.umd.edu (ts65)
Subject: DEOS-L  BANCMC:  response to Dan Coldeway

Dear Sports Fans:

Dan Coldeway's mention of some critical issues at the British Open University
reminded me of an article I read a few years ago on a similar
subject. It involved the issues of why certain people were reluctant to engage
in programs which could improve the quality of their lives.  There may be a
lesson here for us why some people are reluctant about using CMC.

I referenced it in a research paper.  At the risk of sounding pompous, my
reference was as follows:

     The "Oxford Mobility Studies" is a
survey of the general population which sought
to examine social mobility and the role of
education in that mobility.

     The study suggested that the working
class did not perceive credentialing
through a university as the only way to advance
from the working class to the "service" class
(i.e., middle class.)

     Harris (1987) suggests that working
class individuals who enter the British Open
University (which does not have rigorous entry
requirements, thus providing greater access to the
working class,) have to go through a "double
closure," of sorts, "pursuing both `trade union'
type strategies of labor withdrawal...and
`professional' `exclusionary' strategies including
credentialism."

        The suggestion for the British Open University
may be, however, that degree completion, or
"credentialing," may be in conflict with other
social pressures.  The bottom line,
nonetheless, is that completion at the British Open
University is not a universally held goal.

Reference
     Harris, D.  Openness and Closure in Distance
Education.  The Falmer Press, Taylor & Francis,
Inc., Philadelphia, PA.  1987.

Sincerely,

Theo Stone
Theodore_E_Stone@umail.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: BANCMC:  DEOS-L
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:01:12 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:56 EST
From: "Victor Aulestia (301) 455-3208" <OIT0001@UMBCADMN.BITNET>
Subject: Re: BANCMC:  DEOS-L #54.

Terry, could I get more information about the Falcon? it sounds
exactly what I have been looking for.
Fax 410/455-3213.
Regards, Victor
I would also like you to know that I have just purchase the first
Direct Broadcast International Receiving System now available in the
US directly from Europe.
The system is called Europlus and consists of a 80 cm dish, receiver
and decoder all for less than $900.
It receives video, teletex, and radio directly from Europe via the
Intelsat K, a very powerful bird.
Another powerful technology which could be used immediately for DE.
Victor Aulestia, UMBC
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: BANCMC:  DEOS-L
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:03:25 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:58:56 -0700 (MST)
From: Robert Evan Holloway <HOLLOWAY@NAUVAX>
Subject: Re: BANCMC:  DEOS-L #49.

The military media selection algorithms should be used with
some caution.  The implication that they cover the process in
minute detail may imply to some that it is therefor more
powerful.  Instead, the final box on much of the military selection
process leads to what is available.  For example, some years ago
the Navy bought Bessler slide/audio tape machines.  Shortly after,
if one used a Navy algorithm for selecting media, the answer,
if media are to be used, turned out to be the machine purchased.
Strong psychological principles were not so much a guide as the
cost and justification.  Management rather than learning guided
the selection process.  Nothing wrong with this process, just
important to look at assumptions.



***************************************************
Robert E. Holloway
(602) 523-3189 office
(602) 774-2588 home
(602) 523-1929 fax
Box 5774
Northern Arizona University
Flagstaff, AZ 86011
Internet address    HOLLOWAY@NAUVAX.UCC.NAU.EDU
BitNet address      HOLLOWAY@NAUVAX
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Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.cmc
From: Knut Braatane <Kbraatane@oscar.bbb.no>
Subject: BANCMC, CMC in Developing Countries
Originator: bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bancmc-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:34:17 GMT

Several messages have mentioned technological and economical problems
as reasons for not using CMC in education in developing countries.
   
There are certainly many problems today, but are you aware of how
fast hardware, communication and software are expected to develop
during the nineties?
It is not easy to predict - especially about the future - but maybe
some concrete assumptions will contribute to creativity. The figures
below should not be taken too literaly - they may well prove too
moderate.
   
1. Computer technology and production capacity are growing faster than
   ever. We may see a price decrease of 1:5 before the year 2000. At
   that time you may purchase a complete and highly sophisticated
   equipment for CMC at $500 - including battery and solar cells.
   
2. Communication technology is developing even faster. Within 3 - 5
   years the problem of missing or poor telephone-lines seems to be
   solved. At least two principles are on the way, one of them
   satellite-based. Computers will simply communicate "by nature". A
   wireless link will be built into computers, just like modems
   are today. The cost reduction of communication will probably be
   more than 1:5 before year 2000. We may see reductions up to 1:100.
   
3. Many of the user-problems we experience today are directly caused
   by the very simple and primitive software. Hopefully you will agree
   that the quality of communication software will continue to
   improve.
   
Based on the above, it is likely that within 5 - 8 years *cost* and
*technology* will not at all be limiting factors for implementing
large scale, world-wide DE-programs based on CMC.
(DE=Distance Education)
   
But many countries, and many areas of the world may need much more
time to build up institutions, to educate teachers, to develop
evaluation systems, to obtain computer awareness and so on.
   
This is why I think every country is in a hurry to get started.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
   
I agree to those who say that developing countries need CMC even more
than other countries. Of several reasons for this may be mentioned the
possibility to compensate for shortage of educated teachers. And next,
teacher education, teacher developement and curriculum exchange may
become some of the most promising areas for use of CMC.
   
                                           kbraatane@bbb.no
   
-- Knut Braatane. --  Man 23. Nov, 1992 Kl. 15:50:29 
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