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Subject: Re: Hey Cliff...
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:45:57 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <1992Jul30.194541.17241@tamsun.tamu.edu>, garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:
>Hey Cliff, what is the name of that dumb Miami bird mascot?
>
Duck.  Or is that the name of that Fighting Frenchman?  Or is
that UFlorida's mascot name?
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: ND stops series w/Miami (was Re: Wash-ND)
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:33:21 GMT

In article <63833@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) wrote:
>
>}The reason Notre Dame dropped Miami was because of image.
>
>But you see this makes no sense to me.  If Notre Dame was so concerned
>about image, why would they:
>
>(1)  Lie about the reasons for terminating ("not renewing" in Fighting French)
>     the series?  When they cancelled it, they said it was because their slate
>     was full.  They then proceded to add FSU to the schedule.
>
>(2)  Also end the Penn State series and the Michigan series, getting rid
>     of the two other teams who have given them the most trouble lately?

Penn State ended that series, not Notre Dame.  When Penn State joined the
Big 10, they had to start making room for more Big 10 teams on their
schedule - lots of room, since they didn't play all that many of them
before joining up.  All but maybe three slots had to go, and, clearly,
playing Michigan, Iowa, Michigan State, and Ohio State more often than
not, Penn State didn't want to have all three of those slots filled with
tough teams.  Also, Joe Paterno was very pissed off about the ND/NBC
contract.  So dumping ND made sense.  I think ND wanted very much to
continue the Penn State series into the indefinite future.

That left ND with an opening.  In theory, they could have added Miami.
(Maybe in practice, I don't think it ever got to the stage of negotiating
dates with Miami, maybe not even close to that stage.)  However, I'm
sure that if Notre Dame were interested in adding an easy game, they could
have found another opponent dumped by Penn State who wouldn't put up too
much of a fight.  Instead, they added Florida State, which one would presume 
will be a tough team, when the series starts,  just as they are now and have
been for many years.

The Michigan series is, I believe, only ending for a couple of years.
Both Michigan and Notre Dame like to cycle teams from all over the country
through their schedules.  I know that Notre Dame has used the slot for
teams that currently are quite good.  I suspect that Michigan has done
the same.

Notre Dame had no responsibility to continue the series with Miami.  The
contract was over.  Notre Dame has longstanding series with four or
five teams, and cycles teams from all over the country through its remaining
slots.  There was undeniably bad blood between Notre Dame and Miami,
which at least once erupted into a fight.  (Notre Dame really doesn't like
its players getting in fights, which is why Holtz threatened his players
with his resignation if they had another big fight after the USC one.)
Those seem to me plausible reasons for not renewing the contract.

Personally, I'd like to see the series renewed, but I don't think ND 
behaved incorrectly in any way by not continuing it.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@ashby.cs.ucla.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Stadiums
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 21:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.071846.20249@ennews.eas.asu.edu> paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.155202.3635@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
>>In article <92198.155555MBAJSA@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> jeff appleman <MBAJSA@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
>>>
>>>In article <1992Jul15.172004.12322@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>>>pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) says:
>>>>
>   Gads, whoever was going on about Notre Dame doesn't have much experience
>with college gamedays.  South Bend is pathetic.  I've been down there
>after games.  If Notre Dame loses nearly everyone goes home and the bars
>are empty after the game.  It's like "we lost, we can't enjoy ourselves..".
>I don't think it would be fair to try and label Notre Dame alums as 
>fair weather fans, but they're certainly a lot more briddled than most
>schools I've been to.
>
>
I don't know where you've been the last 50 or so years, but Notre
Dame has a rich tradition on gameday.  I've partied at Michigan,
Michigan St., Penn State, Miami, Purdue, Pitt., and Indiana
and Notre Dame definitely has a comparable, if not superior,
game day atmosphere.

Obviously, when the home team loses there is going to 
be disappointed fans (this is true with every team
in the country) but the tailgaiters still go on way into
the night and the bars are always full.  You keep
comparing Notre Dame to other schools you've been to
and you called ND's tradition "pathetic".  I'd be 
really interesteed in hearing which schools you
are basing these comparisons on.  I think you've
been living in your own little fantasy-land.

	- Rob

	rszczerb@bach.helios.nd.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Comments wanted: Two new 1A conferences in the making?
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:19:00 GMT

In article <0eO603cs3ava00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <63286@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>jfawcett@infocenter.encore.com (Jason Fawcett) wrote:
>>}
>>}Sports Events are about competition.
>>
>[ Woofing deleted ] 
>>}too easy to win the National Championship with the current system.  
>>
>>No, Jason, what you mean to say is that it was too easy for Miami
>>under the old system.  Under the new Bowl Alliance system, the MIGHTY
>>CANEZ will no longer be able to cower in fear in the Orange Bowl on
>>New Year's Day.  They'll have to go out and play the best available 
>>team instead.
>
>Where were you, Mark, when the Canes pounded the snot out of that team with 
>steers ears on their helmets two years ago? I don't want to join in this 
>flame war but it seems to me that cowering in fear in the Orange Bowl is 
>getting a bit carried away for a characterization of Miami... Oh and didn't 
>they whup Alabama in the Sugar Bowl three years ago? Or was that '91? At 
>any rate, given that they've played two of the past four bowls OUTSIDE of
>the Orange Bowl.. I'd dare say they're not guily of cowering anywhere... 
>By the way, when was the last time anybody BEAT them in a bowl game... 
>anywhere! 
>
>
>-- 
>Ronnie
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
>
>

I believe it was Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl in '86 if memory serves. And I
think Tennessee beat them in a bowl game in the Johnson (hair helmet) era. In
fact I think they lost 3 straight bowl games when JJ first coached them until
he finally won the biggie against his old chum Barry Switzer's Sooners in '87.
There may have been other losses in bowl games since then but i don't recall
them.

John
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From: rsmith@goose.age.lsu.edu (Rhett Smith)
Subject: College Pool ??
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:09:40 GMT
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	Is there going to be a college pool this year?
Even though I stunk last year it made the games more interesting on Saturdays.


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From: bjose@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 1992 SYRACUSE SCHEDULE
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:09:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.122303.1118@newstand.syr.edu>, jchapman@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jason M. Chapman) writes:
> 
> Sept. 5		@ East Carolina
> Sept. 12	TEXAS
> Sept. 19	OHIO STATE
> Sept. 26	OPEN
> Oct. 3		@ Louisville
> Oct. 10		RUTGERS*
> Oct. 17 	@ West Virgina*
> Oct. 24		@ Temple*
> Oct. 31		PITTSBURGH*
> Nov. 7		VIRGINIA TECH*
> Nov. 14		@ Boston College*
> Nov. 21		MIAMI*
> 
> 
> * BIG EAST Conference game
> 
> Home games in caps (To be played in the Carrier Dome).
> 
> 
> 
> ANALYSIS:
> 
> Overall, it looks as though the Orangemen are going face the toughest 
> schedule in years.  Tough Conference games against West Virgina, a much
> improved Boston College & Rutgers, not to mention Defending Co-National
> Champ Miami will certainly produce some intresting highlights.
> 
> As I see it, the tone of this season will be set by the first three games.
> If the Orange can get past ECU, Texas, and Ohio State without a loss (and
> without any key injuries), they have a chance to go undefeated.  My guess is
> that we will encounter at least one loss somehwere down the line (probably to
> either Miami or long-time rival West Virginia.  
> 
> My prediction:
> 
> Season: 10-1
> 
> Bowl:	Cotton vs Texas A&M
> 
> Final Ranking: 4
> 
> 
> Comments????
        One of the pre-season publications has S.U. having the easiest
schedule in the B.E. while at least one other has them with the toughest. I'd
give 'em the 2nd hardest, behind the 'Canes. I'll say they end up with 3
losses to Texas, Pitt and Miami (all at home!), beat Oklahoma in some 
Peach-level bowl and end up # 16 in the country. 
  
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Keywords: offensive nicknames
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:40:43 GMT

David Poore writes:

>In general, I don't have a problem with sports teams using names like
>Seminole, Illini, or even Chiefs. But, Redskins is an obvious racial
>slur, and I would think very offensive to a Native American. AIM hasn't
>really made an issue out of the use of Seminole, I imagine in part
>because it is endorsed by the tribe.

This is interesting and I have often wondered just what AIM thinks about Miami 
University using the name Redskins.  I believe they use the nickname witht he 
full support of the Miami Indians.

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- The Ohio State University ---------- But baby I'm the next best thing! ------
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From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Vols Chances for SEC
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:07:37 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <15595@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
iftekhar@elm.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Iftekhar Hussain) writes:
>
>I think that Tennessee will win the SEC title this year. Their biggest
>nemesis Bama will be playing at Knoxville. This means they can beat
>Bama soundly. As far the rest of the schedule is concern it should be
>a piece of cake for Vols .
>
>-Ifty
 
With only six starters returning, Tennessee should be grateful if it
manages to get to a bowl this year.  The SEC championship is out the
of the question.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: more nicknames and mascots
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:39:29 GMT

While we're on the subject of nicknames and such:

Teams with meteorological phenomenon for nicknames and flying creatures
for mascots:

Miami (FL) Hurricanes  (sorry, don't know the exact name of the waterfoul)
Iowa State Cyclones    (the cardinal)

Iowa State's nickname used to be the Cardinals, but after a big football win
many years ago, a sports writer compared to the football team to a cyclone, so
the nickname was eventually changed to the Cyclones; the Cardinal mascot was
kept, however.

I've heard the scoop on the Hurricane mascot, but I don't recall it.

Cardinals are very pretty birds; however, their tendancy to perch in the trees
outside my bedroom window and squawk at 5:00am every morning is rather
irritating.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:06:36 GMT

In article <14pr39INNjko@agate.berkeley.edu> clarko@campanile.berkeley.edu (Clark Olson) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.195232.12135@u.washington.edu> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>>
>>>In my experience,
>>>the thing that limits alcohol consumption the most is a damn good team.  
>>>If everybody is fixated on the game, people are less likely to drink (at
>>>least to excess, which is the real problem).
>>
>
>I'm not sure I agree with this. I was an undergrad a Washington, and despite
>having a good team, a large percentage of the student section was quite drunk.
>
>Clark Olson

I agree with Clark, there were a lot of drunks at OU when I was there,
'84 through '87 seasons, we lost one home game during that span.  Of course,
most of the games were blow-outs.  It wasn't hard to be distracted by wine
and women while were slamming Missouri 77-0, for instance.

- Bill D.  Society to Eliminate Stupidity in the U. S.; "says who?" "SESUS!"
           -          -         -                -  -
From: klebeck@u.washington.edu (Jack Klebeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC 10 Heismans (was: Heisman Poll Update)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:48:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Academic Services

Terry Baker from Oregon State won it around '64.

In article <1992Jul24.171542.29352@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
> 
> 
> >
> >How many heismans does the pac-10 own. Of couse I know of SC's 4 and I
> >know there is at least 1 more. Anyone?
> 
> $tanfurd's got one, Plunkett won it in '72.
> 
> 
> ========================================================
> | Marc Tremblay                  |  There's no time    |
> | tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  like the pleasant  |
> ========================================================
> 
>
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Deserving Heisman?
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:07:12 GMT

Todd Henderson writes:

>Don't you think it could have been ripped, pulled out in a tackle, lost in
>the hoopla after the game, just not a good place to take something that's not
>attached more firmly that you want to keep.

I think that very possible.  But I know that if I were in his shoes and the
towel got ripped, I'd say, "Oh well."  But if someone took it, I'd get a little
riled up.

>>towel; but do you think it reasonable for him to expect it to be stolen
>>on a football field?
>
>>(Unfair insult alert...)
>>What kind of ethics/grammar do they teach at Texas A&M?
>
>I probably have better ethics than most people, I help old ladies across the
>street, correct cashiers when they make a mistake either way, etc.:):)  

I'm sure this is true - I tried to take the bite out of my remark with the
warning.

>However,
>I also know when I don't know enough about an event to make a judgement.  Based
>on what you heard, it was wrong to keep the towel, which I don't believe
>happened.

Based on what I know, it was wrong to take the towel.  Whether or not the
player kept the towel is irrelevent to the issue.
 
>          But you can hear many different stories, I don't put a lot of faith
>in any of them, from A&M players or ND players, they are always skewed.
>Do they teach you to make judgments about people and incidents that you have
>no direct knowledge of other than rumors?( I feel that even Tim probably skewed
>the story into his favored, no not lied just rearranged a bit.)

I was at the game and saw a player take something that didn't belong to him.
I saw another player react in an inappropriate way.  I think the second
players reaction was more understandable than the first players instigation.
I don't know how much more I need to know to judge this situation.
The reason I responded to your post was because I thought your were not only
trying to "understand" the 12th man's actions, but to defend them as being
right.  I felt obligated to say something.
I grant you that while the Aggie special teams were actually playing football,
their performance was exemplary.

>On the grammar part, A&M tried to help me, I was to far gone.  It also 
>probably has to do with the engineer in me(not meant to affend the many
>engineers who are very well spoken).  However, I thought this was a forum for
>relaxed, open conversation.  I think critiquing(sp?) on the net in a rec.xxx
>group is a little lame.  

I agree - I should have put a couple of smiley's in there somewhere.

>I use resources when I publish papers like
>dictionaries, theaur....(that 'th' word for 'mean the same thing words'  :):) )
>and English books.  I can't see doing that for this kind of forum, maybe I'm
>wrong.  I also married an English teacher to take care of that part.  I'll
>start having her proof my post.:):)

All this aside, I would like to see a rematch between the teams, and perhaps
it can happen this year.

-Mike Noonan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:38:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.013517.9510@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Top Ten Coolest :
>10. Reserved for Florida if and when they get a live gator on the field.
>Top Ten Dumbest :
>9. Miami : I still think it's a chicken.

You seem to be a little confused here.  

Florida's the chickens.  Miami's the big mouths.

- goober (top ten coolest goober) smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:14:44 GMT

.6487@b24a.ingr.com>
Organization: UMCC
 
In article <1992Jul27.132736.6487@b24a.ingr.com> mjo@b24a.ingr.com (M.Jesus.O at
 Beat) writes:
>I don't believe the NCAA allows beer to be sold at Div. I-A football
>games. Or any I-A athletic contest. Bowl games must be an exception.
>Or maybe off-campus contests are the exception.
>
>I seem to recall hearing from a friend who attended a Div. I-AA school
>that alcohol sales were allowed at their games.
>
>
>        Michael J. Oatley               "When the going gets weird
>        AFME Development                 the weird turn pro."
>        mjo@beat.b24a.ingr.com
>        ingr!b24a!beat!mjo                      Hunter S. Thompson
>        205/730-8738
 
Someone else mentioned some kind of NCAA restriction as well.  
However, two posters (at least) said that beer is sold at 
Colorado games (off campus stadium maybe?). 
Another person wrote that during the regular season, no alcohol 
is sold at the Rose Bowl (which is on no campus) that must be 
a decision by the school if the above two statements are true. 
Thanks for all the response to my initial question.
From: olshen@biostat.washington.edu (Adam Olshen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:12:08 GMT
Organization: Biostatistics, University of Washington, Seattle

In article <8ePeo6O00Uh_01OJZk@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Here are the current standings in the Heisman Poll......
>
>Mazio Royster, RB     Southern California 15 pts.

I remember seeing Royster's name in a list of players drafted last spring.  I think it will be
difficult for him to win the trophy.

Adam Olshen
olshen@biostat.washington.edu
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Summary:  :-)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:15:14 GMT

In article <9921@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
#
#Other teams would be Stanford, who used to be the Indians? And recently
#there was another school that changed its name...a smallish school that
#has success in basketball...Xavier maybe?
#

Yes, that's correct. Xavier did change their mascot. Before the
change, they were the Fighting Cougats. But, in honor of the famous
band leader's death, they changed their name to something else.

Glad I could help.

-- 
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From: sdb@redbeard.physics.fsu.edu (Scott D. Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Uniforms (was Re: ND lovers / haters)
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:06:37 GMT
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Jul17.200048.5227@u.washington.edu> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>rszczerb@purcell.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>>> rszczerb@elgreco.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes...
>>>> 
>>>>	ND has the coolest uniforms (with Michigan a close second), 
>>>>the best fight song, and one of the best programs in the country.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>Best Uniforms:
>>>
>>>	1. Navy
>>>	2. Penn State
>>>	3. Notre Dame
>>>
>>>Football the way it oughta look.  When you watch these teams play each 
>>>other, you can't tell what year it is.  I just wish the helmets were still 
>>>leather.
>>>
>>>R Dendy
>>
>>I may disagree with the ordering of the top three teams, but
>>I love the part about the leather helmets.  White cleats
>>and astroturf just don't belong.
>
>What a bunch of crock.  You only like leather helmets because you are
>sitting in the stands, not getting your head busted open in the line.
>Besides, I like the sounds of plastic thundering across the field after
>a nasty hit.  Gotta give you the astroturf though...
>
Wasn't it the leather helmets that was responsible for our beloved president
Gerald Ford after his years as a center at Michigan (early 30's)?  At least
that's what I like to think...

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