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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: No Jaime!? (was Re: Favorite Artist Summary)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 08:56:16 EST

kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:

> 
> : (1) Jaime Hernandez
> 
> This really shocks me.  Of all the non-mainstream artists I put on my
> list, I thought  Jaime would be one who'd get a decent number of
> votes.  Are there no Love and Rockets fans left?  Or do they just

Yes, there are Love & Rockets fans and I'm one and I think Jaime 
Hernandez is as good as you do and Gilberto isn't far behind.

I just didn't vote.

And I think there were as many artists listed as there are readers on 
rec.arts.comics.misc, though I haven't figured out why I think that is a 
good sign for the industry.  

If I'd voted my list would have included:
Jaime Hernandez
Bary Windsor-Smith
Paul Chadwick
Jackson Guice
P. Craig Russell
Charles Vess
Tony Salmons
Bill Dinardo
Paul Gulacy

and probably a few others I'm forgetting but certainly NOT Ron Lim or 
Frank Frazetta.

Namaste,
Elizabeth


> avoid threads like this one because it's so rife with Marvel and DC
> stuff?  Anyway, Jaime is a master of facial expression and body
> language, and is pretty versatile as well (he can draw everything from
> space ships to Big Time Wrestlers to super-heroes to Peanuts kids).
> While the stiry may not grab you, the art in LnR is always a treat.
> Do yourself a favor and flip through the collections the next time
> you're in a shop that has them!
> 
> --
> Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
> "I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
> Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:04:45 EST

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

> In article <151FwB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizab
> >(2) The ending to THE MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD by Charles Dickens (FOr 
> 
> Neil Gaiman beat you to the punch. If you check Sandman #22,
> you'll notice a copy of Chas. Dickens' "The Return of Edwin
> Drood".
> -- 

Yes, and I WANT TO READ IT!

Actually other people have finished off the book a few times, but it just 
isn't the same. 

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:45:04 GMT

In article <8248@news.duke.edu> eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes:
>
>Sorry if this has been tlked about before and I missed it but it seemed like 
>a fun topic to me.
>
>What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
>he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.

I don't think anyone's mentioned this book, which surprises me.
My first choice: Doc Smith's ending to the "Lensman" series, the
book that comes after "Children of the Lens". No, "Masters of the
Vortex" ain't it.

In fact, I'm surprised we haven't already seen it in Lucien's
library. That book is one of the icons of fandom...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject:  SOLVED: The Uncanny Malcolm X-Man
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 10:56:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Beeing a *BIG* Spike fan, and even *BIGGER* Malcomb X fan, 
I went back to check this "thanks to marvel" out.

The security for the X project were called the "X-Men."
And in the the "thanks and credits" section, they are listed 
as the X-Men.

I am going again asap, and I'm paying the $7.50 price for it.


Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium  (Spoiler?)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:10 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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In article <1992Dec24.000729.21832@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
> 
>Quick observations after the first pass:
> 
>- No Sphinges? That's last time I trust a DC promotional blurbo.

Bast suggests to Dream that he should talk to the sphinx (suggesting there is 
only one in existance)

>- More eye references. I'm assuming that Del's eyes really, truly are 
>  both supposed to be green in the final page.

Perhaps this is part of the change theme.  Del may be changing back to Delight.

After her re-entering her realm, all of her word balloons where one color:  
pages 22 and 23 they were a grey outline around a white area, the same pattern 
throughout seven balloons.  Her first balloon was solid grey, and when 
she became happy again, the next four were rose-colored.

And if you will also notice, the colored streaks in Del's hair seem to be 
disappearing...


just a few random thoughts from thomas, aka ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu

"After use, dispose of the condom sensibly.  You can eat the banana."
					-Death, _Death Talks About Life_
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Date: 30 Dec 1992 14:59:44 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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	Elementals:   Once a ground breaking comic, about "super-heroes"
in a realistic setting.  

	Now, reduced to characters in awful "erotic" comics.  

	Add to Lucien's Library, Elementals written by Willingham 
and drawn by either Leeke and Chen, or by Willingham himself.
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
One jump ahead of the slowpokes, One skip ahead of my doom. - Aladdin
From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD & Pros
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:19:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>  They won't be changing, because that's not their
>market.  Yeah, there's still a few I have lingering affection for.
>But it's guilty pleasures, not mature (hate that word, but nothing
>else fits) appreciation.
>

    I agree that they're current market is adolescent and pre-adolescent kids.
However, I still strongly believe that there's a huge market (w/ mondo
potential for big bucks) that they're neglecting;  namely the older more
'matured' crowd.  I'm still around for comics AND I have an undying (sp)
affection and appreciation for some of the older heroes (and I'm not going to
be guilty about them).

>This puts the comics writer who works in the big two mold in a hard
>place.  His audience is *not* the adult reader, and to follow the
          ^ (A SORT OF SEXIST STATEMENT, ISN'T IT?)
>wishes of the adult reader would mean to lose that adolescent market.
>So the adult reviewer excoriates [insert name here] and others, and
>the writer in turn avoids the inappropriate critic.  It's a no-win
>situation.

    I agree again.  The writer is in a difficult position, but this doesn't
mean that they can't produce quality work.  Quality is a relative term, but I
believe that like most relative terms there are some fundamental overlying
concepts.  I think Disney is a great place to look for this.  They're
producing material that is great for all ages.  Its timeless and its wonderful
because of the care and love put into all they're work.  I dare say it is also
highly profitable.

    I've reread many of the things I read as a child and adolescent and the
one's that I truly love, still stand the test of time.  Examples include the
Miller Daredevil's, Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, Simonson Thor's, ...
The list is quite long.  These are examples of timeless books that can be
great for all ages.  You can take these works on one level or deeper ones.

    I believe PAD is this type of writer.  Although not nearly as deep as Alan
Moore, you may take his works at one level for pure entertainment and fun as
well as deeper levels (like the recent X-Factor) and truly appreciate all the
depth and textures of the characters.

    No, we shouldn't keep looking back and lowering our standards.  We
shouldn't rely on gimmicks and style to occupy our children.  I demanded and
expected more as a child and I demand and expect more for our future.




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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
In-reply-to: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu's message of 29 Dec 1992 21:31:20 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 22:59:32 EST

Larry Niven: The Ringworld Architects (in which Louis Wu gets to go
home).

Isaac Asimov: Foundation and Anarchy, Third Foundation, Foundation's
End -- to have been written shortly after he finished Second
Foundation, not decades later; in which the history of the Interregnum
is traced all the way to the founding of the Second Galactic Empire.

Douglas Adams: Mostly Harmless (the rumored first draft).

Fermat: A Remarkable Proof.

Beethoven: Tenth Symphony.

Schubert: Tenth Symphony.

Bruckner: Tenth Symphony.

Mahler: Tenth Symphony.

Gershwin: Tenth Symphony. Also Ninth, Eighth, Seventh...

--
- Rich Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: New Years Eve party in Columbus, OH
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:30:57 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

Just an update on the New Years Eve party in Columbus OH.

We'll meet at Max and Erma's at 6 pm which is at the corner
of Henderson and Kenny.  I'll be wearing a Green Lantern pin
so that people can recognize me.  If you wear something comic
book oriented, it'll also be easier for me to spot you.

It sounds like going to a bar afterwards is a bad idea since
several people have told me they are underage.  So I will
restate my original offer of going back to my apartment for
the final hours of 1992.  I'll supply the champagne and
sparkling cider.

If you have not contacted me about joining us, and would like
to, please do so.  We need to know how many to get a table for
at the restaurant.  It'll also give me an idea of how much
stuff to get for afterwards.  Significant others, dates, friends, etc.,
are of course more than welcome to join in.

The people who have contacted me so far are:
IN%"dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU"  
IN%"dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU"  
IN%"vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.EDU"  
IN%"friedman@cis.ohio-state.EDU"  
in%"sbc@po.CWRU.Edu"
in%"balbes@mps.ohio-state.edu"
IN%"svvaikun@CC.OWU.EDU"


Mark
From: juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Batman: Bane
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:33:51 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1kk2lgq@rpi.edu>, chinm@aix.rpi.edu (Mang S. Chin -- Kid Klaxon) writes:
> 
> I haven't heard too much about this Bane stuff going on in the Batman
> titles...so what gives?  Sounds like a new way to boost sales, so I
> figure that Bane is going to appear throughout the various Batman
> titles being a pain in the butt.  We already know that he'll be going
> after Killer Croc (who I thought was dead, but I guess no one really
> ever stays dead).
> 
> At any rate, Vengeance of Bane wasn't all that bad.  The basic idea
> is nothing new, but I'd have to say it was done fairly well for
> something so hackneyed.  Any reactions?
> 
> 
> MSC
> 

I found it very interesting, even though I found it to be very similiar to
the Death of Superman/Doomsday scenario -inwhich a villian is crafted to be
an equally dark and effective shadow/double of the original (in Doomsday's 
case, it was the strength factor that was duplicated, since it is the most 
used attribute of Superman).  I expect to see a "Death of The Batman" series
coming soon -where everybody gets an armband with a bleeding bat on it.

                            Thanks
                            Ned
                            St. Peter's College
    
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Organization: Temporary Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:37:38 GMT

In <27DEC199214265812@rigel.tamu.edu> ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:

>In article <lsmith.725417475@mega>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
>>Anyway back to misleading blurbos. Here's what I have for the description
>>of Sandman #46:
>> 
>>"In Part 6 of Brief Lives, Dream and Delirium search in the land of Pharaohs
>> to question the Sphinx and others in their quest for Destruction, their
>> missing sibling."
 
>It probably was a typo.  They might have meant for this blurb to be for part
>7 of BL and substituted the number six for seven (try to diagram that sentence!
>I dare ya!  :)  After all, we've seen printing/coloring errors in this 
>storyline.

>It looks like Del and Dream are about to travel again, and they might search
>out the Sphinx that Bast suggests.  

I have my doubts about this. They still haven't talked with The Alder Man or
Etain of the Second Look. I'd like to think that both characters will appear
again. It wouldn't be like Gaiman to introduce them just to demonstrate
that something doesn't want Destruction found.

A discussion with a Sphinx would take up a large part of an issue as they
tend to talk in riddles and are not forthcoming with the information that 
is desired. 

>(*SPOILER*):


>In Comic Shop News (or is that Comic Scene News?), BL #8 has the search for 
>Destruction coming to a close with a family feud.  

(Comic Shop News, though I haven't seen it for about 4 weeks due to a snafu
somewhere.)

According to the earlier blurbos, Dream finds Destruction in part 7. Then
parts 8 and 9 are used to resolve some mysteries about the family and their
respective duties.

It's possible Mr G is running long again and that this storyline will bump 
into Sandman #50, but it sounded like that was going to be the Arabian Nights/
Ramadan issue and that his back was against the wall this time. 

(Family Feud? "Let's have a big hand for the Endless family: Destiny, Dream,
 Desire, Death and Delirium!" I'm figuring that Despair would have more fun
 on This Old House and that Destruction is staying out of family affairs 
 for awhile.)

----------------------------
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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  here since the new highway went in. I just turn
  Growing old is mandatory |  on the light to make sure it works. Let me get 
   Growing up is optional  |  you some towels." _Mr Peanut at the Bates Motel_
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Organization: The Forgetful Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:51:15 GMT

In <24DEC199215102476@rigel.tamu.edu> ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec24.000729.21832@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
>> 
>>Quick observations after the first pass:
>> 
>>- No Sphinges? That's last time I trust a DC promotional blurbo.

>Bast suggests to Dream that he should talk to the sphinx (suggesting there is 
>only one in existance)

Sorry. I'm demonstrating that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. (In
other words, I like the word "sphinges" and have gotten carried away in my
use of it.)

Anyway back to misleading blurbos. Here's what I have for the description
of Sandman #46:

"In Part 6 of Brief Lives, Dream and Delirium search in the land of Pharaohs
 to question the Sphinx and others in their quest for Destruction, their
 missing sibling."

(I think that's the same as appeared in Direct Currents. I'm taking it out 
 of a distributor's preview catalog. Yes, I carry them with me. No, I have
 no life to speak of.)

Is any of that true? Delirium didn't search anywhere. Morpheus talked to Bast
within a dream. No one talked to the Sphinx. OK, the missing sibling is De-
struction, so they got that much right.

(Is page 20 panel 5 the first time an Endless refers to the missing sibling
as Destruction?) 

ObReminder: The Vertigo Preview is due out this week. It should contain a
Sandman short story by Mr G and Kent Williams. Last I heard it was going
for 75 cents cover price.

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  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Yes, the newspapers were right: snow was general
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  all over the South. It was falling on all of the
    Feeling just slightly   |  empty peanut fields and softly upon the Planter	
  better than Michael Furey |  factory."        James Joyce's _The Peanuts_
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:00:49 GMT

In article <92363.100928X82217GB@wuvmd.wustl.edu> Garrie Burr <X82217GB@WUVMD> writes:
>Anyone else out there remember these??  I seem to recall an aunt who was
>also a witch...or am I confusing this with Bob Hope's monster brigade?

Nope, she wasn't (primarily) an aunt but rather Jerry's housekeeper. I
believe her relation to the girl witch in training introed in the first
Camp Wack-A-Boy was that of aunt though (Zenobia was the kid's name).
At the time, the kid could only do magic on things starting with A, B, or
C. I believe the housekeeper was Witch Kraft, but I might be misremembering
this one (and Jerry was in the DC Universe; met up with Superman, Batman,
Robin, and Flash).

"Forget computers; it's hard enough getting humans to pass the Turing test."
--David Bedno
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Signal to Noise
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:43:48 GMT

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.000940.3081@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>> 
>> (Why people thought that the world would end 999 years after the birth
>> of Christ, rather than a year later, is something I've never understood.)

>1)  1000 is a nice, round number.
>2)  They probably were bad at math.  ^_^

3) The people who designed the calendar only allowed three digits for the year
in their specification.  Years after 999 were "undefined".

[ :-) for all people who don't read comp.risks ]

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"In the Eighth Sphere we don't provide translations for the slow-witted, I'm 
 afraid."       -- Suenteus Po, Cerebus 157
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 15:38:14 EST

In article <1992Dec28.140506.19626@uvm.edu>
cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
 
>
>From article <1992Dec25.225149.7150@utagraph.uta.edu>, by hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter):
> I guess that's all I can really cite as being dissapointing to me.  I
> had dropped a whole load of them at the end of 1991 and the pile just
> gets smaller (hell, I can count the comics I collect on 1 hand!)
>
 
    Have you all ever noticed that, while the titles most of us buy (I presume
"tasteful" readers) has drastically gone down, [I know mine has, from the high
of 1986-7], the amount of money we spend on comics has stayed about the same
or even gone up?
 
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     I nned a lawyer for my medical bills
     I need a banker to finance my home
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     I shouldn't cry
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Hulk, Cerebus and other stuff like Barry Allen
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:52:49 GMT

Okay, lots of ramblings to get out of the way.
     It would seem PAD has been reading Cerebus, or at least has been affected 
by the volume of chatter we generate on it.  In Hulk this week, Hulk runs 
across a black-and-white critter (presumably and Aardvark, although they are 
indigenous to Africa not Brazil) and calls it "Cerebus".  However, I disagree 
on the assertion that Rahne looks like Jaka in X-Factor...her nose is too short
and stubby.
     On Hulk in general, my first impression that PAD was trying to milk 
suspense that just wasn't there.  I mean, the *cover* was enough to tell me 
Hulk was fighting Cain Marko, and it's supposed to be some kind of big surprise
at the end?  Riiiight.  Of course, Hulk has an excuse, since he's probably 
never seem Juggy without the helmet.  But to write as if the *readers* didn't 
know?  No sir, I didn't like it.
     As for the arguments out there about the personalities merging too 
quickly, I was able to dig out my old PSYCH 166 notes and on the subject of MPD
they said that once the personalities start to merge, they merge rather 
quickly.  It's called kaleidoscoping by some, and the fight scene in the issue 
before the merger looked awfully like the start of that process.  Doc Samson 
and Ringmaster merely helped it finish without renovating the city.
     On to X-Factor.  Interesting to see Pietro and Wally West handling the 
same problem in different ways, and Wally seems to be handling it FAR better 
(see recent issue of Flash for his musings on waiting in line etc).  Of course,
being a villain to start your career doesn't dispose one to charitable 
attitudes.  I think Lorna needs a few more sessions....  I believe Guido, since
we have had previous indications that his deformations are painful (the mortar 
round in the Hulk crossover, for one).  PAD, is Lorna's new costume some sort 
of ribbing on the new costume Sue Storm is sporting?  Gee, what's eating Val?
     On Barry Allen, note that Augustyn *did* say "Convinced he's going to hell 
for this."  Wait'll Barry hears he's dead....
     Dave Van Domelen, really cheesed his store didn't pull JLA and LSH for him
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:26:52 GMT

rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:

>--A bound edition of the New Adventures of Hitler by Grant Morrison

Naw, the Norman Spinrad version (titled "The Iron Dream"), illustrated
by Bernie Wrightson.

>--The Annotated Sandman, bound and printed by "reputable literary firm," 
>	foreward by Gaiman, illustrated by Kelly Jones and Dave McKean.

With the *&^%$^$ coloring mistakes fixed!
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