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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Caucasian Clarification
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:41:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.195931.19580@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <6237@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.202811.4800@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>[deleted]
>>>
>>>Mr. Hira, you will have a lot of trouble trying to explain this to
>>>Chinese-cu idiots.  They think that the Chinese-ge alone constitute
>>>a race; in other words, there are 4 races, according to Chinese-cu idiots:
>>>Negroid, Caucasoid, Non-Chinese-ge Mongoloid, and Chinese-ge.
>>
>>I will not say anything about the above statement because I
>>don't want to be in a war.  I just have one question.  What
>>does the "-cu" and "-ge" suffixes mean?
>>
>>I hope that I won't be sorry for asking that ...
>
>Mr. Lu shouldn't be sorry.
>
>Anyhow, here's the defintion of -cu, -ge, and -ci.  For a while, several
>Chinese-cu people have been using the term "Chinese" to mean multiple

>items, essentially masking their belief that culture = genetics
>(a belief shared by rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis).
Speak for yourself.  You are certainly welcome to answer question about
the abbreviations, but please at least keep YOUR opinion in another
post.

>So, I provided
>a framework for distinguishing among the shades of meaning implicit
>in the term "Chinese".
>
>Chinese-ge = one who is GEnetically (ethnically) Chinese[1]
>Chinese-cu = one who's CUlture is Chinese
>Chinese-ci = one who is a CItizen of China
>
>Note that a Frenchman-ge can be Chinese-cu but not Chinese-ge.

>Many Chinese-ge born overseas insist that Chinese-ge = Chinese-cu
>and that a Frenchman-ge can never truly be Chinese-cu because he
>isn't Chinese-ge.  This is a truly racist view of the world.
>Chinese-cu are very racist.
Again, please keep you opinions separate. YOUR RATIONAL MIND
SHOULD COMPREHEND THE LOGIC OF THIS.

IN FACT SINCE SO MANY DAMN PEOPLE ASK HIS QUESTION, IT SHOULD BE IN 
THE FAQ!

>P.S.
>By the way, Mr. Lu, I'm sure that you will receive some e-mail
>from Chinese-cu folks asking you to ignore my posts as well as answering
>the question in your post.
Well you only have yourself to blame for this.
Its no wonder you have so much trouble with being in harmony with
the world and other people.

>[1] I agree that the divisional lines differentiating ethnic groups
>is dubious and that all womankind came from a single source, probably
>Africa.  However, by at least distinguishing -ge from -cu, we create
Some thing sensible. 

>a powerful framework for noting and destroying the racist views of
>the Chinese-cu twits.
Hmm, is that true?  I use it to destroy YOUR racist (or moral equvalents)
views of Chinese people.

Try cutting out all the insults next time. 
It might even make you sound reasonable for once.


TOYMWYA
From: John Scott <jscott@Aztecridge.LosGatos>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: ORIENTALS???????
Date: 12 Aug 1992 23:01:28 GMT
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Distribution: world
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From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Surviving in a White Man's world
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:33:24 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

Just my two cent's worth onr you observations, Robert...
"Why do white men think they are superior in looks, etc etc etc"
   That is the way most people are, and not just concerning looks. Why 
does China call (and write) itself with the characters it does? 
(middle/center country). Because it considered itself the center of the 
universe. Why are the Serbs committing genocide against the muslims in 
ex-Yugoslavia? Because they consider their race to be better than the 
muslims. Why did the Germans try to exterminate the Jews in WWII?  
Because they believed they were the master race.  Ironic huh, that the 
Jews (and I am Jewish, BTW) in their own way are racist if one were to 
look at it perfectly unbiased.  (Jews being God's chosen people.  I am 
not here to argue religion, but this is a small part of the Jewish 
religion). Why do Christians try to convert non-Christians?--including 
many going to the ends of the earth to bring their "saving" Christianity 
to the peoplesof the world that really don't need or want it?  Why do the 
Afrikans consider themslves so far above the blacks in Sout h Africa?
If you look at the history of the world (past and present), the whole 
history is filled with one people or group of people thinkning they're 
better than someone else. I suppose someone with a few PhDs in psychology 
might want to comment on this sad attribute of human nature, but no 
arguing it's there. (BTW, look at the English word "histroy". "HIS 
story", not "HER story").
  And, just by whim of god, by luck, by evil business practices, what 
have you, this is a norther-hemisphere dominated world economically and 
socially.  American values and culture, whether they be good or bad (and 
also English, etc... ie, caucasian countries) is what has been spread 
around the world.  So of course, they will inherantly contain thins that 
point out the white man's good qualities.  It's not something anti-Asian 
in particular.
  Why does thte media make such a big deal out of Japaese-owned 
businesses you ask?  (BTW, Taiwan has much more foreign capital than does 
Japan, but you never hear that mentioned).  Probably because the British 
and Dutch do business much the same way we've been used to in the past, 
rather than the closed business society of Japan.  I won't deny that 
there's a lot of asian-hysteria.  For some reason that's been there in 
the past and will probably always be here.  I'd think probably that, 
sadly, looks are a part of it. Like it or not, there are only two racial 
groups that look more than just a little different than caucasian... 
asian and black, and the casucasian has not been particularly friendly to 
either in the past.
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: GOP Adopts Buchanan's Wall Against Illegal Immigration
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:28:11 GMT
Distribution: usa

According to a small article in a local newspaper, the Republican
Party has adopted into its platform Buchanan's proposal to build
a wall against illegal immigration.

Such a wall can make it easier for politicians to reduce the number
of avenues of legal immigration.  While the Republican in the
White House negotiates free trade of various products, other
Republicans work against the free movement of people.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: sgan@hounix.org (Seng Gan)
Subject: Oversea Chinese Oppression
Keywords:  Chinese
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:10:49 GMT

Somebody in this newsgroup said that Chinese did not get oppresssed as
the Jews.  I beg to be differed in my opinion.
How can you find the thing you do not believe existed????
You won't even tried.....

1603 Spanish soldiers killed 23,000 Chinese in Parian , Phillippine
1639 Spanish killed 22,000 to 24,000 Chinese in Luzon, Phillippine
1764 Spanish killed all Chinese in Phillippine because Chinese
     helped British captured Manila two years earlier.
     British betrayed Chinese and hand Manila back to Spanish in 1764.
1740 Dutch decided to deport all unemployed Chinese from Indonesia 
     to Ceylon/Sri Lanka.  Chinese rebellion.
      Dutch killed 10,000 Chinese in Batavia/Jarkarta.
      Chinese were confined in ghetto for the remaining survivals.
1848 to 1888 2 millions Chinese emigrated out of China
1838 Slavery abolished in British empire.  British started to use Chinese and
     Indian coolies in British colonies' plantations and mines.
1840 Frist opium war, British forced China to allow Chinese to buy opium
1861 Central Pacific employed at most 12,000 to 14,000 Chinese to build
    railroad.             
1870 20,000 pounds of bones from the remains of 1,200 Chinese coolies
     were shipped to China for interment
1847 to 1877 126,000 Chinese landed in Cuba to work on sugar plantation
1877 only 43,298 Chinese survived when Spanish free the coolies
May 6, 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act in USA
1940 On the same day of Pearl Harbor, Japanese landed 70,000 soldiers
     on Thailand and attack Malaya and Singapore.
     British army of 70,000 caught by surprise , throw down their arms and ran
     200 miles into Singapore.  They surrendered a few days later.
     Japanese killed all Chinese in Malaya that did not escape into jungle.
     Many died in the jungles due to malnutrition.
     My mom was 5 years old and she survived in the jungle.
1960 102,196 Chinese were deported from Indonesia to China
1962 Border dispute between China and India.  Force repatriation of Chinese
     minority in India.
1966 With the collapsed of Sukarno power in Indonesia, Chinese were massacred
     and terrorized.
1967 Red guard from China arrived in Burma.  Caused anti-sinicism.
     All Chinese minority in Burma forced to repatriated to China
1973 Phillippine allow Chinese to be natoralized to full citizenship
     Presidential decree to phase out Chinese school in four years
1975 In the killing fields of Cambodia, lay 200,000 Chinese minority in
     Cambodia. 50% of Chinese in Cambodia.
1978 Sino-Vietname hostility.  250,000 Vietnamese Chinese repatriated to China



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From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: What Separates Us?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:51:00 GMT

In article <4852@dove.nist.gov>, hira@cme.nist.gov writes...
>In article <SHAW.92Aug14015434@whopper.lcs.mit.edu>,
>shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>|>From: shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
>|>Subject: What Separates Us?
>|>Date: 14 Aug 92 06:54:34 GMT
>|>
>|>In a previous post, I mentioned that the first order of business in
>[Bunch of Stuff Deleted]
> 
>|>
>|>  c.  Are Indian-Americans Asian-Americans?  I think so, but why?
> 
>Man, I can't believe that this is even a question! What the hell are we?

South-Asian-Americans.  The others are East-Asian-Americans. ;-)
No seriously, Indian-Americans are most certainly Asian-Americans
by the geographical definition.  I don't think there was any attempt
to exclude Indian-Americans under the category of Asian-Americans.

>Just from perusing the articles, I've noticed that I'm the only Indian-Am
>posting to the group. This could be due to a lot of reasons, maybe one of
>them the incessant ignorant posts equating Caucasoids with Whites. 

Not really.  The word caucasian is automatically connoted (at least in
the US) to be European or white.  Granted this is not correct by the
anthropological definition, but this is how word definitions evolve.  One
interesting example of another word becoming redefined is the word "Asian"
itself.  In the UK "Asian" automatically means Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi
and does not include East Asians!  In the US it is exactly the opposite.
> 
>Also from reading some of the posts I can see that I identify with many
>of the same problems that others in this group have faced. 
> 
>So, by all means include us (Indian Americans) in the discussion and 
>you'll start to see more postings in this group by IAs. I ignored the
>group until Clare coaxed me into reading it.

Great, glad you are joining in!  Perhaps with time the use of the word
caucasian will fade away.

-- Makoto
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:36:31 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <Bt562o.Gp4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu) writes:
|>Nice how those immigrants were able to find their way into
|>the elite and become "the royal family of the USA". Say, you
|>don't think it might have been harder if they were black, or
|>yellow do ya? 

Why should it have been?  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: One does not a people make (was: Re: Keeping in mind ....)
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:05:57 GMT

In article <8ja-3Y_@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@caen.engin.umich.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.165107.2487@island.COM> Mike Fester,
>fester@island.COM writes:
>>Well, not disagreeing with your sentiment, but a few clarifications from
>my
>>>It was MacArthur's fault China entered.  
>>
>>Absolutely correct. He repeatedly gave Truman reassurances that China
>would
>>NOT enter the war. Truman was in favor of a) giving assurances to the
>Chinese
>>that we would NOT enter China or b) pulling up well short of the Yalu.
>>MacArthur indicated that this would not be necessary. We nearly lost
>50,000
>>men captured in the counterattack, and only a brilliant retreat kept
>that 
>>from happening.
>>
>>Mac was (IMHO) a very incompetent general.
>
>I don't believe he was incompetent.  He was just still in the "all out"
>WWII
>frame of mind.  That was not the type of war we were fighting in Korea.

While you are correct in your observation that the type of the two wars was
very different, MacArthur was probably NOT a very good general. This was
discussed at length recently in soc.history, sci.military, and 
soc.culture.japan, so just as a brief recap, his record in WWII, while receiving
good press, was more noted for mistakes, particularly in the Phillipines.

Mike
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine? (or stupid redneck tricks)
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:10:39 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang) writes:
>
>Yesterday, as I walked out of the library in rural Dallas, Texas, I was
>confronted by a native.  This individual, apparently going for a walk,
>was unshirted, beerbellied, sweaty and nicely tanned to a healthy pink.
>(add favorite rural accent where appropriate)

Reminds me of a story in Calgary (Alberta, Canada) about 10 years ago.
I was walking home from work (I tend to live near my office; I hate
commuting and particularly like urban settings) and as I walk by an
old guy he turns to me and says, "You know, that's another building
owned by you Orientals!" (pointing to a condo development going up
across the street from us).

I turned to him, smiled, and said: "You've got that right, Mac; and
I'm sorry to say, but your rent is going up next month ..."  Looking
back a half block later, the poor guy was standing around with a very
stunned look on his face ...

gld
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
From: pwong@ctp.com (Peter Wong)
Subject: Re: One does not a people make (was: Re: Keeping in mind ....)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:15:33 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

In article <BRa-rc_@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@caen.engin.umich.edu> writes:
|> In article <1992Aug07.215717.6899@microsoft.com> John Hall,
|> johnhall@microsoft.com writes:
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|> The "firing" of Generals is always down played.  Remember when the
|> recent Air Force Chief of Staff was "retired" during the Gulf War,
|> apparently in response to his speaking "too much?"  MacArthur was
|> a great WWII hero.  Eisenhower knew it was polictically impossible
|> to make a big show of his firing.   But he had no choice because to

I thought the President then was Harry Truman, and it was he that fired MacArthur
for disobeying Presidental orders.

|> let MacArthur push farther north than intended was a direct threat
|> to the President's (and thus civilian) control of the military.

|> Michael F. Kamprath
|> kamprath@caen.engin.umich.edu

Peter

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From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Everybody eat s--t and die
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:10:01 GMT

No name to back up bold words?
The author must not confidence in his/her opinion then, and it is hard for
us to take such seriously then.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: AM/CM - Gay Colonialism?
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:37:06 GMT

lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

>In article <64177@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Should this brand of inter-racial partnership be banned because it is
>>a form of sexual colonialism, or encourged since there should be no
>>bars on any brand of fetishishism between consenting adults?

>Oh boy someone has finally managed to make a racist agenda sound
>PC!

Not "PC". Pompous, verbose, and dumb.

PC doesn't mean anything anymore.

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Accountability, or rather, JJ's lack of it.
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<SHAW.92Aug11021118@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> <3704@randvax.rand.org>
	<SHAW.92Aug12003844@whopper.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:37:30 GMT

   shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:

   I explained to you very carefully why we are _not_ on a level playing
   field.  An electronic "reputation" is worth _nothing_ compared to a "real"
   reputation.  People will do and say anything if they are not held
   accountable for their actions or words.  All of this cybernonsense about
   how a computer alias is the same as a real name is just that: nonsense --
   anyone who believes that has been reading too much SF.

   I am not interested in putting on my own mask, just as I am not willing to
   do so in real life, despite the fact that I have the opportunity to do so
   in both cases.

   [....]

   Most of us write with the knowledge that our opinions may have an
   impact on us in real life, in situations which may affect us
   professionally, should we be going for a job interview, a faculty position,
   during paper submission, when we meet another computer person in real life.
   THAT'S WHAT COUNTS.  [If you have an electronic alter ego] You can
   write with only the fear that you may smudge
   your "electronic" identity -- that is the extent of your accountability.
   If you irreparably damage your "electronic" identity, your real life goes
   on unaffected, and you can assume a new "electronic" identity.

I've lost track of the original reason that Andy Shaw was irritated
with jj.  However, in the narrow sense of the paragraphs above, I
agree with him wholeheartedly: there is a "real world" out there, and
"real names" matter in it.  I think that jj should feel free to go by
that name if he prefers, but it is true that he is then subject to
fewer constraints on what he says, based on the reduced likelihood of
running into someone from scaa in the "real world".  

Having made that point, I think that Andy Shaw should quit harassing
jj about signing his real name.  One of the things that I like about
the net is that you reveal as much or as little as you like, and
bullying people into revealing more seems like a bad idea.

--Mark Day [my real name :-) ]

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 14:01:14 CDT
From: <U51115@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Everybody eat s--t and die


  Let me see if I can say this in the nicest way possible. This has to be the
 most stupidest and brainless newsgroup out there. O.K. now that I got that out
 of the way let me just say that you people deserve an award for the lamest
subjects of all time. So far, all I've been reading is "White Guys Superiority"
or whatever the hell it is and " Minorities that whine. If you people would spe
nd less time cutting each other down and more time doing something constructive
, we wouldn't be this far back behind the Japanese. Everything that's been
written in this newsgroup is devoted to who's better: Whites or minorities.
Man, who cares about some white guy who's going out with an asian chick who you
don't even know. And who cares about why minorities whine. Minorities whine the
 same reason white people whine. Because they got nothing better to do. And
please, please, please don't anybody out there give me a lecture about how bad
they got or how I should wake up and see all the racism in this country because
 I've heard them all and every one of them has been as stupid as the other one.
I don't want to sound like I hate the world or anything, I just hate racist
shit like this because nobody needs the aggravation. I'm sure the majority of
the subjects in this newsgroup are fine and they probably relate to important
issues but this bitching from the asian americans about white guys stealing
their women is corny. I mean if you're to damn ugly for your own kind, then it
ain't the white guys fault. And if white people think that minorities complain
too much than they should stop calling them chinks or gooks because only sister
-fucking people would say something like that. I'm sure there's going to be
some of you out there who don't agree with me and are going to lecture to me
even though I asked you not to. And maybe there are some people with enough
sense to know what I'm talking about. Anyways, here some free advise: Never
die with a pickle up your ass. It looks REAL bad.
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