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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Steve Young vs Randall Cunningham
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:45:34 GMT
Keywords: 49ers Organziation vs Eagles Organization

In article <b39V03kec3BU00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
> Steve Young players for a better team and in a better organization than does 
> Cunningham. The 49ers would never have allowed a player of Keith Jackson's 
> caliber to walk. Nor would they ever have hired that clown Buddy Ryan as 
> coach. Kotite isn't any better either. What's even more intriguing will be to 
> watch Randall Cunningham if and when he gets ahold of a good offensive system 
> and some Jerry Rice/John Taylor caliber receivers. 

I agree that the Niners front office is alot better than the Eagles.  As
a matter of fact, I'd put them at exactly opposite extremes.  The Niners
being an example of how to run a football team.  The Eagles being an
example of how not to.  San Francisco is committed to winning.  Philly,
with owner Norman Braman, is only interested in the bottom line, i.e.
money (and lots of it).  That is one of the reasons why Rich Kotite is
the head coach.  His salary is $200,000/yr.

Yes, allowing Keith Jackson to go to Miami was a BIG mistake.  You can
not lose a quality player and not get something in return for him.  That
will haunt the Eagles for the rest of the decade.  But that was Braman's
decision not to match the Dolphins offer, a $300,000/yr difference.

I also agree with you that the Eagles offensive system is not as good
as that in San Francisco.  At times, it appears that Kotite hasn't got
a clue as to what he is trying to accomplish on offense.  If defenses
take away from what he is trying to do, he fails to change the gameplan.
Kotite also, for some reason, doesn't force defenses to stop his plays
that work.  The Niners will run a play to death until the defense proves
that it can stop it.  But the Eagles do have quality receivers.  Fred
Barnett is a big play guy.  Calvin Williams is decent.  And Keith Byars
can do it all from numerous positions.

But Buddy Ryan, love him or hate him, was an excellent decision as head
coach.  He took a terrible team and made it into a winner.  He was a
defense-minded coach who put together one of the best defenses in the
league.  His only fault was not bringing in a better offensive coordinator.
And of course his mouth, which is why he is out of football right now.


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.200414.11714@Princeton.EDU> Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu> writes:
>From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
>Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner
>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:04:14 GMT
>In article <BzD3oH.2n7@andy.bgsu.edu> Donald Lingle,
>dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu writes:

>>I agree Jim Johnson is quite the whinner.
>>He has won some games, but As I said earlier if a coach
>>cannot show that he has confidence then the team will go downhill.
>>I have a notion that the Cowboys will get beat by the 49er's.

Please tuck your notion back in your pocket... :-)

>>But before I get a barage from BOY's fans.  Congrats to the Cowboys
>>on having a winning season.  Johnson has turned the team around,
>>but sometimes the intangibles that it takes to win the big games
>>are hard to come by.
>
>So far every negative response to the original post has just reinforced
>the point.  Yes he whines and jumps up and down, that's because he really
>cares about the outcome of the play/game/season.  The more he looks like
>a baby and doesn't "take it like a man" he shows that he is more affected
>by a negative outcome than other coaches who do.  

Dallas is still gonna take the division. 
Put it in perspective, Ditka would have probably punched the zebra out cold 
if it cost him the game.

ALN
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:40:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Washington/Dallas Matchup
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A74E3AA25001700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:31:30 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:29:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.151537.12404@PacBell.COM> JOHN P. GLORIA,
jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.063424.6337@u.washington.edu> 
>jmadden@stein.u.washington.edu (John Madden) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec10.163229.20203@PacBell.COM> JOHN P. GLORIA,
>>>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>>>kick ass, even the Cowboys ass when they play their best. I must
>>
>>Yes, like they did last year at RFK when they were UNDEFEATED????
>>
>>>No shit, Sherlock Holmes! Mine is as good/valid as yours. However,
>>>I am right! 
>>
>>No, you're a dick...
>>
>Stick and bones might break my bones, but words will never
>hurt me. Neener, Neener, Neener! BTW, my dog can kick your 
>dog's ass.

Say what you will, but I'm outta this thread.
But, before I go, I must say this:  Dallas did not get to 11-2 by being a
mediocre team folks.  These guys are legit no matter how much credit
anyone gives them.  Jimmy Johnson will motivate his team with all of the
anti-Dallas talk going around and he will prove what I have been saying
all along.

FRANK

another prediction?  Hell, I'm fired up!  Dallas 42 Skins 20 (:

__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
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From: lwn@sei.cmu.edu (Louis Nedz)
Subject: Steelers '92
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:06:21 EST


Well, as most of you know, the Steelers (10-4) are the AFC Central Division
Champs. I have been a fan of theirs all my life and it's exciting to see them
back among the elite. But I have to be realistic, they are very young and
green as far as playoff teams go. They have a good defense (which, at times,
has shown it can be a great defense) and Barry Foster has been EXCELLANT.
But their passing game could use a few things  such as  receivers, a
quarterback (although Neil O'donnel has been pretty consistant, Booby Brister
sucks), and a little more help on the offensive line.  The playoffs should be
a good experience for them and, who knows, they just may surprise everybody.
    This Sunday the Vikings come to Three River Stadium. A tough game on 
any normal day but tougher because Booby Brister will once again be starting
at quarterback.  This game is important to all Steeler fans as a victory keeps
our Home Field chances alive. But it's extra important to me because I would
love to see the Packers win the NFC Central. They have come a long way this
year and it would be great to see them go all the way and shut up all of the
Eagle, 9er, Cryboy, etc...fans who thinks their teams are invincible.

                                                   LOU
 
           GO STEELERS!!!
           GO PACK!!!
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:10:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:49:29 GMT

In article <douthit.724363040@scofflaw> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:
>>to be REAL QB. He ought to take lessons from Roger S. and then
>...
>>of game are unatainable by Aikman.  That is what separates a Montana 
>>or a Unitas from a wanna be. Yeah, I know. You Cowboys fans will
>
>The only person I've seen so far comparing Aikman to Montana, Roger S.,
>Unitas is YOU.  I've never said Aikman was the greatest quarterback in
>the league.  I would say this, he is the most consistent.  
>
>>not realize this or admit it. You are too consumed by your false
>>hope of grandeur. Face it, As good as you think the 'Boys are,
>
>What is it you want me to admit ?  Aikman is not the greatest quarterback
>to ever play.  Was it Aikmans fault that he drove to the 38 yard line when
>time was running out and got sacked by a guy who was never even touched ?
>That wasn't Aikman's fault.  It was, however, Aikman's fault that he
>fumbled in the end zone.  However, it was the cumulative mistakes of
>Aikman, Emmit, and Irvin that cost the Cowboys the game.
>
>			-Ron
>

Okay Ron, for the sake of argument in a no-win situation, I
will let. The whole point of my post was to give it the
"IN YOUR FACE" to certain 'Boys fans who were bragging how they
were better and whatever. I predicted the opposite, but of 
course, my opinions were discounted! Well, I was right, PERIOD!
The 'Boys had better re-group and Aikman had better learn a
lesson. If NOT, you and the 'Boys will be drinking hot toddies
while the winners are playing the big one. 'nuff said and peace
to you and all your fans.

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:40:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)
Subject: Re: Mr. Controversy
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:41:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Reply-To: richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut)

In article <1992Dec8.211049.465@colorado.edu> loucks@csn.org (Lord Vader) writes:
>This is in response to Mr Controversy who was offended that
>I would include the Packers in the same breath as the 
>Seahawks.  He saw fit to compare teams and so I did his
>homework for him.  Now, the Pack is a fine team and I have
>no problem with them. This year they are a much better team
>(at least offensively) than Seattle.  But since the time
>Seattle entered the league in 1976, the Hawks have done better.

For this you want to invoke history?  Ok.  Let's play the history game.
There's only one team in the NFL which has ever won three consecutive
league championships (and has accomplished that feat twice, I might add).
Can you name that team?



-- 
Rick Schaut
UUCP:...{uunet | uw-beaver}!microsoft!richs

Microsoft doesn't speak for me, and I don't speak for Microsoft.
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:30:10 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill)
Subject: Re: Cost of Season Tickets?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50    
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:08:00 GMT

In article <1392@fozzy.UUCP>, malesov@aud.alcatel.com writes...
>operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Barry Trottier) writes:
>..
>So a pair of tickets between the 20's with blue parking runs $792.
> 
>This year was a little more expensive than last year, since there were
>only 2 home pre-season games last year for a total of 10 home games.
> 
Does Dallas make the season ticket holders buy preseason tickets also?
Preseason is the only time you can buy a Redskins ticket.  The  Washington
season ticket holders only have  to  buy regular season game tickets.

Clark B. Merrill                        A Life Long Redskins Fan!
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
merrill@stsci.edu
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From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:48:33 GMT

dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.225859.8159@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin) writes:
>>lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>
>>>But whining is not the only way to make your team a winner. At least Gibbs
>>>doesn't have to resort to such low-end method.
>>
>>As for whiners, Johnson certainly is one, although I don't think he's
>>demonstrably worse than the average NFL coach.

>I don't understand any of this.  Johnson a whiner?  He's anything but.  The
>only times he complains is when he has a *right* too, i.e., the Cowboys were
>the victims of bad calls.

I kind of agree;  Johnson doesn't whine just because his team loses.  He does,
however, make a *lot* of noise over situations like this.  For my money, I
think he should have kept his comments to the press to the tune of "We
shouldn't have put ourselves in the position to be beaten by an unfortunate
call" (which is the real point anyway), and then bitched to the league in
private.  But, like I said, he's not really any worse than most coaches.



					Al
					alan@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
From: jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Scoring Leaders (was: Re: Benchmark = OJ)
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:57:24 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

The question was asked in "Scoring Leaders (was: Re: Benchmark = OJ):

Who holds the record for most points in a season?

Paul Hornung, 176 points in I believe 1963.  He was a running back/kicker.


Who scored the most points in a season without a touchdown?

You stumped me there. Players who only kick have only been around for about 25
years.

Who scored the most points in NFL history and how many?

George Blanda played for 23 years and scored 2002 points.
George Blanda, played for 23 years and s
From: kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: How are Playoff schedules figured?
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:11:13 GMT
Reply-To: kilpat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Andrew Kilpatrick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I now this could get somewhat involved but could
someone out there please tell me how they decide
to arrange the playoff schedule.  I know it has
something to do with best teams playing worst teams
and very best getting a bye.  But could anyone set
it out clearly who plays who, the first round and
second round etc.

Is this how it is?
		      Second Division Winner  \ ___________________ \
Best Wildcard      \  _____________________>  /                      \
Worst Div Winner   /                                                  /  Super
		       Best Division Winner  \  ___________________  /   Bowl
Second Wildcard    \ _____________________>  /
Third Wildcard     /

?????  Please Answer this and if possible what is
considered first after a tie.  Div REcord. Conf. Record?
And are these the same things considered to determine
homefield advantage?

Perhaps it would be nice to put down the playoff picture
as though it would be if the season were over today?

Thanks in advanc, I know just enough to know it is
complicated.

Andrew
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