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From: etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China - more info
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:47:26 GMT

lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:

>I don't think a few netters' words on something like "No Way" can naturally
>grant your offensive postion to Chinese culture and Chinese people.


    I don't think I have taken an offensive position against "Chinese
    culture and Chinese people" by referring to a newspaper article.
    And I also thought it would be interesting to s.c.c readers
    to hear about what is said and written about China, even if it's
    not nice to hear such things...   

>>     Furthermore, I was
>      shocked to read these stories and couldn't resist that last
>      remark. If I offended anyone, I apologize.

>No problem, it may not be your faulty at all. It seems Chinese-bashing is
>more fashionable in Norway than in the US :-(


      FYI, I'm not Norwegian, I'm a Swede. There's a small but
      noticeable distinction between these two nationalities.

>BTW, do you really believe the story of Mr. Zheng Yi and the confirmation
>of Mr. Chen Maiping? Just curious. If you believe, that is all right. If
>you have some doubt, maybe we can discuss further, especially some netters
>from GuangXi may join the discussion.


      I have no reason not to believe Zheng Yi (or for that matter to
      believe in him). All I can say is: read him yourself, and judge
      for yourself. He must surely have been published in the
      English-speaking world also...


      Mats Winberg
      etxmow@tore.ericsson.se
      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Science in China 2
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:58:27 GMT

In article <714384429.14199@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Science in China (Part 2)
>
For us Chinese, should whole heartedly, honestly achnowledge, the
revolutionary achivements brought to human kind by the West!
Though their intention was not to do good to the world! We should not lose 
confidence about ourselves, but should not focused on too much on our
ancestor's achivements, lost sight of the current, and lose vision for the
future!
Learn from the West what will do good to us, preserve what we have if it can
contribute the betterment of us.
From: 54yang@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Holst not know own culture either
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:09:39 GMT
Organization: The Catholic University of America

In article <1901@kluge.fiu.edu>, stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye) writes:
> 
> In article <77428@ut-emx.uucp>joe@astro.as.utexas.edu writes: 
>    [informative stuff deleted] 
>  
> One thing is clear from either Confucius or Xun or Kant, that is a society
> can not function with law and order only. There are needs for custom and
> tradition. 

I think that Confucius and Confucianism in general emphasizes heavily
'tradition', but for Kant not so much.  Kant believes 'universal laws'
which are absolute.

Probably the common ideas of Confucius and Kant are that value system
is very important for a healthy society.  A value system is a set of
values and ideas concerning about the truth, the good, and the beauty,
and sometimes, the transcendent.  Kant's value system is different
from Confucius' value system, but there are many similar ideas in
these two philosophers' thought.
From: etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Cannibalism in China - more info
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:31:28 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Ericsson




      I've read the comments on my original post, and as I expected
      most seemed to deny that there had occurred cannibalism in any
      greater scale. One poster found a "provocative tone" in my post,
      and he was right. The reason for that tone is not that I'm hostile
      to the chinese culture, but rather a bit irritated on the "Where
      is Norway" and "Oriental moral" threads. Furthermore, I was
      shocked to read these stories and couldn't resist that last
      remark. If I offended anyone, I apologize.

      The author of the article was Zheng Yi, (is he well-known ?) and
      he talked about incidents during the Cultural Revolution, not the
      famine earlier. In "Dagens Nyheter" today Chen Maiping writes
      a commentary about yesterday's article. Chen Maiping is affiliated
      with the chinese department at Stockholm University.
      Chen Maiping writes (and I translate directly from Swedish):
      "Our nation claims to own a culture, whose history span thousands
      of years, a radiant culture tradition - how can in our own time,
      the 1960s such chocking events occur. I even felt that this you
      should not tell the world, since according to chinese tradition
      you don't tell about your family's shame ... But when I calmed
      down I have to admit that I'm sure of that Zheng Yi isn't
      reporting fantasies but historical facts...To start with we
      must realize that there's a potential cannibalism in the chinese
      cultural tradition. And I don't mean cannibalism in times of
      famine but the ancient chinese belief that for medical purposes
      you can eat parts of the human body...During the '50s I lived
      in Shanghai and remember how at public executions people rushed
      forward to collect the brain substance as soon as the criminal
      fell to the ground... Secondly, I myself have experienced the
      Cultural Revolution and knows that during this insane period
      anything could happen..."

      Chen Maiping concludes by saying "We must not forget. We ought to
      thank Zheng Yi to have disclosed the ghastliness that has occurred
      in China. The man-eating in Guangxi is a disgrace, not only in
      China's, but in the history of mankind. Maybe it proves to us...
      that the human nature under certain circumstances can be twisted
      in a way we cannot comprehend. Therefore we must tell the world
      about these infamous actions, let the world judge."



      Mats Winberg
      etxmow@tore.ericsson.se

      
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:34:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:

>Pardon me for being sarcastic and cynical, but I guess I missed the
>occasion of China apolgizing to Japan for the long-ago invasion
>attempts.  I also missed the more recent apologies of the Chinese
>rulers to their own people for Tianmen (sp?) Square.  Please forgive
>me for these lapses.

How about the well documented evidence (see newsletters from
Nichibunken, a government sponsored research institute in Kyoto)
about how the current Japanese migrated here from the mainland,
pushing the then current inhabitants into Hokkaido. No apology? 

But wait, those people were themselves a kind of mixture of half
mongolian/polynesian so....

One of the things I learned in talking about Japan's 'apology' (but
forgot to post in my original reply to this thread) is that who
owes who what depends on how far back you go.

Who knows, maybe there was an already existing universe here before
the Big Bang came along and blew it away. Wow, would that call for
an apology!

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: L Ho's mother
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:24:50 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
Fuck L Ho's mother.

>In article <199208171938.AA10725@thames.bu.edu>, lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>
>[deleted]
>
>|> As one surviving the famine, I feel obligated to say that was simply a lie.
>|> There was a famine from late 1959 to mid 1963. I know a village where half
>|> of the population were starved to death. However, there was no such thing
>|> as cannibalism happened in China in such period, to the best of my knowledge.
>|> 
>|> Some young friends may not understand why farmers did not rebel, so they
>|> tend to accept the rumored cannibalism as truth.
>|> 
>|> The fact is: the Chinese overnment still managed to strictly control the
>|> situation. How they could do that is another intersting question, but that
>|> was a fact. No rebellion existed at that period. Period.
>|> 
>|> The Big Leap Forward and resulted famine is one of the most serious crime
>|> of Lao Mao committed to Chinese people and nation. No problem about this,
>|> but rumor about cannibalism is only an insult to those suffered.
>
>What an argument!  Do you know everything happened in China?  May be you 
>should give people more information how you survived? Where did you live and
>what do you eat during the famine? That might provide more insight on which
>your arguments are based on?
>
>L Ho
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Keywords: 

In article <9208190018.AA05985@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
>
>In article <jxd-cC@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>|> In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
>|> 
>|> L Ho, I am telling a fact that you fucked your mother. Prove it in the public you did not.
>|> 
>|> J Chen
>
>Is this what one calls "Lao Xiu Cheng Nu" or "Ci Di Wu Yin San Bai Liang" ?
>
Well, it is you who do not behave like a gentleman. We have
no reason to treat you as a gentleman. This is the proper
way to treat you. As long as you keep the offensive name,
your mother deserves to be fucked. I suggest the netters write
"Fuck L Ho's mother." as the first sentance in any article
respond to him. 

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: lix@bucrsb.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Protest :-) (Re: Parents)
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:49:31 GMT

James Ou wrote:
*****Shi1 Jing1 (The Book of Odes) "Lu4 Er2" (smartweed) chapter:

Ai1 Ai1 Fu4 Mu3, (Oh, how sad, our parents,)
Sheng1 Wo3 Qyu2 Lao2, (they endure the hardship to raise us.)
Yu4 Bao4 Zhi1 De2, (I would like to pay back the love I owe me,)
Hao4 Tian1 Wang3 Ji2. (but the debt is like the vast sky which has no end.)

The translation of the last verse is wrong in mood. Are you intentionally
twisting it to fit your points?   Protest!!!:-)
From: tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tieju Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who look down Chinese most? (Re: Japs don't say SORRY to China?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:42:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.seWQkWy00iUy46e2Ye
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Well, in my opinion, Chinese people look down on themselves more than
anyone else in the world. Let us look back about 20 years ago, when PRC
desparately needed other nations to recognize its legitimacy, CCP
shamelessly sold us. Our "great and lovely Chairman Mao, and Prime
Minister Chow proclaimed that we will forgive what the Janpan Empiror
Army have done to our country. And, not long time ago, the president of
RPC called one the WAR II criminals a long time friend of the Chinese
people who the Janpanese agreed to donate about 1/2 billion to China.
Anyway, my piont is that our gov't has to guts to stand up for us. As
usual, the just want to consolidate their power over their own people.

-tie ju
From: hzhou@cleopatra.rutgers.edu (Hong Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:07:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

b.f -o com
From: lpzhou@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: testing
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:47:36 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

This is a testing file.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: psmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (paul smith)
Subject: oops
Summary: this is a test, please ignore.
Keywords: test
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:32:57 GMT
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:26:15 GMT
 <92Aug20.102845edt.160@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> <1992Aug21.005906.21256@Princeton.EDU>
Reply-To: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Message-I.D.: <1992Aug21.005906.21256@Princeton.EDU>Lines: 22

>
>  Since I was born way after WWII, I will be hypocritical if I
>apologize for the things you mentioned above. I am, however, responsible
>for what the Japanese government is doing since I had voted several
>times for six years before I came to the US. I feel guilty everytime I
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>see flaming posting on Japan's responsiblility for WWII since apparently
>it is caused partially by the anger and the frustration toward the
>government.
>  I appologize for that I mentioned above.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>...Wataru



Good man and brave, This must be a real Japanese. Applause.!!!!! 
>-- 
>  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
>     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
>     w1o@gfdl.gov _or_ wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu
From: jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD:  related to green-card lobby stuff
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:38:11 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 01:13:38 GMT


%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
% In article <1992Aug13.011338.24364@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> 
% echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
%
%   Path: dime!nic.umass.edu!caen!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!
%   pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!echeng
   From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
   Date: 13 Aug 92 01:13:38 GMT
   Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
   Lines: 32


   forwarded for an anonymous netter:


   ------------ cut here ---------------- cutr here --------------------


   Grapevine 8-7-1992

   Disclaimer: the Grapevine series offers unconfirmed rumors.  Reader
	       discretion is recommended.

   ====================================================================

   A Chinese student in California claimed that she had sent the FBI a list
   of some opponents to the "Chinese Students Protection Act 1992", most
   of whom were Chinese students in the US, though there were also three
   Americans and one Canadian on the list.

   She also said that a copy of the list had been sent to the INS, so that
   "these CCP running dogs will never get the greencard".

   However, the "Chinese Student Protection Act 1992" will grant the
   permanent status to everyone covered, irregardless of the applicants'
   standing on the issue, according to a Congressional staff member who
   wished to remain anonymous.

   =====================================================================     %
									     %
   I personally would prefer the anti-lobbyists: no real communist stooges   %
   will work against their own interests.  After all, this country needs     %
   more honest people, not the liars.					     %
							%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


Good news, isn't it?  Please tell that female Chinese student to put me on 
that black list. Even thought I was deeply involved in 6.4, I opposes 
personally "The Bill for Easy Green Card".

Thanks.

Yufeng Jing					  E-mail: jing@cs.umass.edu
Department of Computer and Information Science    Tel_no: (413) 546-5579 (H)
University of Massachusetts at Amherst			        545-0728 (O)
Amherst, MA 01003

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From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:51:16 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

/* From the keyboard of ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) */:
:
:At least fewer people will end up behind bars, because of their views. 
 
Please use 'less people' instead of 'fewer people'. 
Use 'less' with something uncountable and 'few' something countable. 
e.g. 'Fewer cars, less trafic'. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: REPOST: PRE-MARITAL SEX IN CHINESE SOCITIES
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:45:41 GMT

In article <9208121634.AA19448@larry.optics.rochester.edu>, ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu (Baldwin Ng) writes:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Me and my friend have been talking about the fact that there is a serious
>trend in many chinese societies around the world:
>
>Pre-martical Sex is getting more & more common.
>
>Just wonering what people from Hong Kong, Mainland China as well as Taiwan
>think about this issue.  Both os us are pretty traditional and conservative.
>So, we are against people to engage sex before marriage.
>
>What I like you all to respond on are:
>1) What you think is the trend now in HK, CHina and Taiwan
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What a question! The trend is a fact irrelavent to my thinking.

>2) What can we do about it?
>
>PLEASE DO NOT WASTE TIME REPLYING AND ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S ACCEPTABLE
>OR NOT.  WE ALL HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE!  I am just interested to see
>what exactly is happening these days!!  So, NO FLAMES!!! PLEASE.
>
>Baldwin (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: getting rid of communism
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:37:21 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group


Vikings = healthiest race?

Tell it as it was:

Vikings = pirates = murders & robbers = barbarians.

Any colorful paint only changes the surface, NOT substance underneath.
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:43:09 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:

>kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:

>>>killed. Over how many days they were killed. Various specific stories
>>>of eyewitnesses.  You could have uploaded scanned photographs to ftp
>>>sites. 

[* lots of stuff omitted *]

>It would be very interesting to see some photos. Do they exist? Has anyone
>contributing to this thread ever actually seen anyway? 

I'm not quite sure which photos you are talking about, but I presume
you mean some of Nanking. In August 1991 the Japan Times ran a
series of maybe 14 articles just before the anniversary of the
bombing of Hiroshima. In each article some still-living eye-witness
described what the Japanese Imperial did in China, and other
countries. Each had a photo and I believe there was one showing
Chinese civilians being buried alive in Nanking.

I made a collection of them and zeroxed off copies and sent them to
various people who asked me for them but I don't know what happened
to them. I just looked and they were nowhere to be found. I could
ask the Japan Times to send another copy ... they've done this for
other articles for only the price of a self-addressed stamped
envelope. 

....

>forgive graphic proof, either.. So if there were some photos, a fellow
>net.fellow would be doing us all a favor by posting some scanned images
>to alt.binaries.pictures and dropping a note here. 

Unfortunately I don't have a scanner. Perhaps somebody else has...

P.S. Before people start jumping to conclusions remember that what
gets printed in the English papers in Japan isn't the same as what
gets printed in the Japanese papers. And the Japan Times is *only*
in English. When showed the articles to the people in the English
discussion groups I lead, they said they had never seen them before
and that they weren't in the Japanese papers.
From: ed@introl.introl.com (Ed Zhong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who look down chinese most?
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:22:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Aug19.132250.32908
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <3181@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>Well, in my opinion, Chinese people look down on themselves more than
>>                     ------------------------------------------------
>>anyone else in the world. Let us look back about 20 years ago, when PRC
>>-------------------------
>>      X Xu

I don't think that Chinese look down themselve. Chinese trust Chinese more
than any other people.

>
>I don't think you need to look back that far, and I don't think
>you need to look at the gov't of PRC etc. Just read this
>saying.
>
>" If there are 9 Chinese and 1 Japanese in a table of 10 people,
>all the 9 Chinese will be talking to the 1 Japanese. On the
>other hand, if there are 9 Japanese and 1 Chinese on a table,
>the 9 Japanese will only be talking  among themselves. "
>
>Any body care to comment on the above saying which we heard
>quite often ?

Wrong logic here.

Tell me what's gonna happen if there were 9 Chinese and one POOR
black person on the table?

The Key word here is POOR/RICH. Too bad, it is human nature.

--ed

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