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From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Li Peng, He Dongchang's Total Defeat - Bill.
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:03:55 GMT

In article <Bvwvro.10M@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>Ever since 1986, Li Peng He Dongchang have tried to prove that
>American government is on their side against the Chinese students
>and scholars. So they believed that they could impose any
>communist regulation and idealogical education on the Chinese
>students and scholars oversea. They even believed this after
>they massacred thousands of Beijing students and citizens.
>They believed that they still had chance to revenge the CSS
>for their protests against that historical killing.

I don't understand how you get these conclusions?  Can you explain in
more details?

J Su

>
>Now they are totally defeated. It is time for IFCSS to push
>forward our idealism of democracy and human right. 
>
>Let China be free from communism. Let freedom ring.
>
>Congratulations to IFCSS.
>
>Xiao Li


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:15:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <92Oct15.142435edt.107@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>
>concern is the food supply ..., but in secret he was on Jiang's direct
>order to ship every moveable valuable things to Taiwan and blow up the
>rest, he wasn't even serious about defending the city.  By the time he

It doesn't look Tang's troops blew up the rest of Shanghai. All people
can see of Shanghai today was left over as that of 40 years ago.
Even the Shanghai airport was still that old. Oh, correction, a part
of new addition was completed in August 1992 after 43 years under CCP.
And the horse racing field was changed to be PEOPLE's PARK.
See, how great CCP management is!

So, the damaged marks in the streets close to Huang-pu River (wai tan)
must be left by Tang's troops, not RED GUARDS, hunh? And the damaged
marks at Ling-Yin-Shi of Hangchow must be left by Tang's troops, not
by READ GUARDs. :-) Godsh, Tang must not be a Buddist, hate Buddism.

>done his duty to ship everything he could find, he hopped on a plane and
>deserted the defending troops.  

Humm! I saw the same street patterns in Taipei. Chiang must have shipped
some streets from Shanghai to Taipei. See the First Department Store!
Just right outside the store building, there is a pedestrian overhead
bridge both at Shanghai and Taipei store. What a surprise!

I believe the old day Shanghai prosperity has moved to Hong Kong. May be 
after 1997 the prosperous Hong Kong will disappear forever, and may we
wish to ship prosperity back to Shanghai again. :-)  

TIers try hard to claim that Chiang ordered to ship all food, rice from
Taiwan to Shanghai. CCP supporters claim that Chiang shipped everything
to Taiwan. Taiwan must have a lot of junk. 

TIers and CCP supporters seem to have something in common. They must
have shared "WEIRD" parts.




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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na 
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:24:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.172807.3359@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>In article <1bj56mINNas6@agate.berkeley.edu>, bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi
>Lin) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Hey, but you do have to give the Japanese credit for building a good
>|> infrastructure in Taiwan (albeit for military purposes).  When the KMT took
>|> over they sorta undid what the Japanese built.  Kaohsiong used to
>have really
>|> wide boulevards until old man Chiang came over; now all we have are traffic
>|> congestions.
>
>What credit?
>
>They destroyed everything when they left,
>took everything they could and
>buried everything they could not destroy or take back.
>
[......] 
>
Well, old Jiang did the same thing when he was retreating from the mainland,
he send his favorite pupil cadet Tang EnBo to "defend" Shanghai against
the CCP in 1949, Tang was publicly boasting how strong the defence of the
city was, he builded networks of concrete  & steel fortress in the suburbs, and
told the residents of the city starting growing vegetables on the roof,
'cause there is no way the communist can capture the city, and the only
concern is the food supply ..., but in secret he was on Jiang's direct
order to ship every moveable valuable things to Taiwan and blow up the
rest, he wasn't even serious about defending the city.  By the time he
done his duty to ship everything he could find, he hopped on a plane and
deserted the defending troops.  Even though the PLA troops were under order
not to use any heavy weapon against the city, and some isolated KMT units did
fight hard, but they were leaderless and Shanghai campaign from start to finish
took less than 1 month, keep in mind that the PLA troops practically walked
from Nanjing to Shanghai in that time, that doesn't leave that much time
for fighting, isn't it?  

Actually, General Tang's defence fortress are still standing in the suburb
fields of Shanghai, they are all over the place, with no bullet or mortar  
holes in any of them, they were pretty much converted into fertilizer shit
ponds by the peasants.  Till this day Tang EnBo's "defence" of Shanghai
is still a big joke around the residents of Shanghai.  I am sure there were
KMT officials called for Tang's head after such "heroic" defence of then
Chinese finanical captiol, but everyone knew that Tang was rewarded instead
of punished by Jiang, since he gotta a fortune out of Shanghai, and left
his troops there to be wiped out on purpose.  

 
>What happened to those "real-wide blvds" of 40 years ago?
>
>|> -- 
>|>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>|> "He's dead, Jim."
>|> "But that's impossible!"
>|> 
>|> Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
>|> Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
>|> University of California at Berkeley
>|>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:58:03 EDT
From: <3066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <1992Oct7.154640.11516@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:38:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>I just want to be realistic. To me, if people can enjoy good life, then the  
>government is good. Otherwise, it is bad no matter how many beautiful slogans  
>they chant and how much patriotism some people in the government show or  
>pretend to show. ask yourselves, we the people, like other living species, live  
>in this very earth for what?

>Carl

You are at the basic stage of the requirement of a human being. When the
society began to develop, a lot of theory developed. People are coming to
this net to find out what kinds of theory is from the true world, what
are not. After this we will find a better way to enjoy life.
Kids also know who gives me candy he must be good. You maybe not agree with
them.  But your arguements remaind people of those kids.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Driving Crazy
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:10:59 GMT

In article <9OCT199221293235@rigel.tamu.edu> f0l8973@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>"OK, here we go.  Let's start.  This is the steering wheel.  Be gentle with 
>...
>Moral:  Don't ever teach your wife how to drive.

I don't expect it be the case in some extreme situations. Imagine
someone needs a divorce...
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: it will be more than that
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:24:41 GMT


Obviously, some people are trying to nail me, at least orally and emotionally.
(i certainly know how effective they can do anything on me.)

As indicated on the subject line, my 9201 colleagues and I will act more.

shannon
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From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Subject: Re: Read postscript file?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:53:19 CDT

In article <1992Oct9.174722.56398@qut.edu.au> zhoub@qut.edu.au writes:
>If there are some softwares which can be used to read the postscript file 
>directly on PC or UNIX system?
>Any help are appreciate.
>

 do not about UNIX but there is one on VAX/VMS, the CDA Viewer. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:51:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.211047.18791@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <BvvBK6.DGu@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct9.171502.4456@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>>
>	You need not get down to the same level of argument as that of
>	your opponent's to counter a dispute.
>
>	Your opponent has already made a fool of himself, you don't have
>	to join him.
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>
Sorry, my life is a little boring.             Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: 9201 Suctioner in Job Group (Re: 9201 people will be more active)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:39:44 GMT

In article <98323@bu.edu> lix@bashful.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>>(deleted)
>
>Well, I respect your freedom of speech and your courage to speak. However, 
>please no one step more than that. If you have done something which may hurt 
>a lot of people without discrimination, I suggest you apology in both news 
>groups. It is quite different to say something on SCC-land or to accuse 
>people without evidence in a job-related newsgroup.

Lix, you are too old to remember to attach Shannon Yeh's posting in
misc.jobs.resumes and it did take sometime to find out the article
he posted there :-)  Concerned SCCers please see enclosed.

>I hate to do this, but I hope no one might be hurt. This is a friendly advice.

Guess you are qualified to say to Shannon Yeh "this is a fatherly advice"
as you did once on china-nt :-)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago

Enclosure:  Shannon Yeh's posting in misc.jobs.resumes

--------------------- Forwarding of Shannon Yeh's Message ------------------
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.resumes
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: An open letter to the US employers
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:12:27 GMT


Dear Employers in the US:

Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards (i.e.
refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.  Those 
refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared that they 
faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone knows how 
dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China these days.

I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and 
other US legislators.  Thank you.

Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
Irvine, California

PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate those who raped justice. 

------------------------ End of the Forwarding --------------------------

Forwarded by Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: gretchen@yap.las.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: forward Re > improve your English
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:53:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: yap.gretchen.203
Distribution: usa
Organization: Speech Comm, University of Illinois


 
I am afraid I can not agree with you fully. I guess most of our netters 
will stay in this country for a while or whole life and English is our 
only way, to some extend, to communicate with others in our proffessional
lives. It is a great hindle for the advancement of ourseves that we can not
command this language well enough. And, I believe personally, it is a shame
not to pay attention to or wark hard at it. In fact I do not think that is
hard to do if we think twice to write down each sentence and that will 
benefit us greatly both in daily life and on the net. Have you seen so many
flames float up and down becouse many people can not express their ideas
fully with logic and the only way they can do is to flame:-). 
Sorry to bother your account since I can not post to SCC from this machine.
Best regards

 
In article <gretchen.193@yap.las.uiuc.edu> you write:
>
>>Sometimes it's not really SUCH a long way to go.
>
>>- Li, Qiang
>
>
>
>I agree with you.  We are Chinese, and this is a place to discuss our
>ideas about China and Chinese.  It is not a English class. We have enough
>stress in our life here in a foreign country, and I really hate being
>judged according to American standards all the time. Let's have a
>break. relax. it is the ideas we exchange here.

-------------
Xiao Yang,

I am forwarding your email message to the net as you wished.

Although our views are different, I believe both sides have their reasons.

By the way, you have some spelling errors in your letter as 
well. :-)  Please do not feel bad, it is natural. (I deleted the 
letter headers, so no one can find out who you are.)

 I think we all need to improve our English.  Also,  we should value people'
s ideas and let people talk freely without having to worry too much about 
English.

  
Best regards to you as well,

Gretchen

 
 Speech Communication Department
 University of Illinois
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From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:17:06 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <!C6-WBB@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian
Chen) writes:

|> The good thing about PRC is that it completely kicked out foreign
|> powers out of China which suppressed China in last 200 years.

I do not what you learned from your history classes. But the foreign
countries started giving back during the WWII when china (lead by Chiang)
was fighting japanese. US was the first to cancel all unequal treaties
(sorry for the poor translation) and followed by other allies fighting
Genman and Janpanese.

Also, he CCP took over at a time when the global atmosphere was helping
China to rid of the foreign influence. Give the whole credit to CCP
and Mao does not seem fair.

The most significant and important one the CG did is the taking back
of HK at 1997. But that will not happen until 1997.

|> With the iron will of the most powerful man in China in this
|> century, Mao, no foreign power dares to invade China. As the
|> most powerful nation in the world, United States learnt two
|> bitter lessons in Korea and Vietnam in confrontation with China.
|> This is a great and remarkable point in modern history of China.

Korea, maybe. Vietnam, doubtful.
I wonder what is in vietnam hidtory books on how much chinese helped?
DO not forget the chinese-vietnam war broke out almost
immediately after.

|> 
|> On the opposite, the founding of PRC divided China into two parts,
|> Mainland and Taiwan. The mismanagement of PRC government under
|> Mao made many Chinese people suffered a great difficulty of life
|> for many years. Today, under the leadership of Deng, China is on
|> the right road and enjoying the highest economic growth rate in
|> the world. The living standard has been improved greatly in 
|> last 14 years. However, the unification of China still have a
|> long way to go.

We should not talk about good things and ignore the bad things Deng did
for the sake of comparison. But all netters knew it too well what
deng did.

|> 
|> Which day is more important to Chinese people? I would like
|> to hear the opinions of netters.
|> 
|> 
|> J Chen
|> Department of Chemistry
|> University of Michigan
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From: zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca (Yuejin Zhang)
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 00:24:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Let's put in your original arguments you have deletted.

In article <Bw88w8.7J6@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>In article <92Oct16.035841.14065@acs.ucalgary.ca> zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca (Yuejin Zhang) writes:

->
->The word "owe" is not a very good one. As mentioned earlier, Chinese
->college students are part of Chinese people. The connection between
->the Chinese college students and all Chinese people is more than money.
->The reason for us to discuss the source of the education support, is
->simply recall some fact.

-It looks OK to me!

-> No one tells anyone to pay the debt.
->What anyone wants to do is all up to this person. The fact is onthing
->more than fact.

>>Are you sure about this? As I know, there are specific amounts of money
>>or prices, maybe different in each provinces, for bailing out a PhD,
>>MSc, BSc. What you mean by "fact"? BTW, I have payed off everything as
>>asked, even it's "up to me".
>
>	That's bad of course. Using the way of collecting money to eliminate
>	"brain drain" has many negative effects.

->Talking about PhD study here, the research done by the graduate student
->covers the cost for the student.

>>This seems a different can of worms. I need the "fact" that universities
>>actully make money by doing researches.
>
>	Part of the reason your "boss" gets money from NSF or whatever places 
>	is because you do research for him (her).

Here you go agian: "part of the reason that universities in China get money
from CG is because they admitted some undergraduate students. So, by
studing in these universities, these undergraduate students cover their
own cost." The same reasoning, right?

>
>>Using your own logic, CSS have definitely covered their cost in China
>>"Fact": similar quality of researches and lower pays.
>
>	Exactly, starting from his (her) MSc study, the student becomes a
>	contributer toward the people in China when he (she) is involed in
>	research works. We respect the contribution done by these MSc, PhD,
>	PostDr etc.


-> The graduate students here are 
-> far low underpaid. This should be a well known fact.
-
-It is hard to comment on "fact".

-- 
  YZ
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From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qin Kuai (Re: Oct 1, our National Day)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:04:27 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Oct8.225601.21196@dsg.tandem.com>, leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
> 
> I heard the story when I was young. It never occurs to me that why
> his wife is involved in this case. Maybe his wife is like Nancy Reagan?
> Also, considering his statue in those days, QK must have concubines,
> right? Now how come they are not put together in the YouTiao?
> 

But think about the food, YouTiao, as a sex symbol, you will realize
SauBing is a symbol for his wife, however, SauBing is made by baking.

> Steven
> ------
> 328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
>         - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
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From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: What do I think about the "Protection Bill" ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:53:34 GMT

In article <Bvy4Cs.6I8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>
>Then why bother to throw those crap on the network?  The Protection Act
>is just like an Immigration Bus (or IFCSS Immigration Bus :-), and those
>eligible ordinary CSS, no matter what they think about China, June 4th,
>or related matter, they will just take the bus as FREE RIDERS, so what?
>
>MOST of the free riders/beneficiaries of the Act even did NOT participate 
>the lobby activities and they DID NOT cheat anyone/lie to anyone, why can't
>they take the FREE RIDE ?  (Just like their conterpart in Canada, who got
>the free ride offered by Canadian gov't two years ago without lobby!)
>

	The silent beneficiaries of the Protection Act do not have to get
on the bus. They can refuse to get green cards under it. Once they do
however, they are taking a moral stand on the issue.

	To continue the bus analogy, the bus was stolen. Anyone who takes
a ride on the bus knowing it was stolen is just as responsible (at least
morally) as those who did the actual stealing.
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:38:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bvw2pD.FK2@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>>|> ......
>>>......
>> ....

>>CCP has put a program to show how well an elementary school in Zhe-jiang
>>teaching pupils for mind calculation, to beat computers. How could human
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>beat computers? Get some sense! If yes, that is just minor aspect.
>
>Depends how you look at it. I used to hear "how could computer beats
>human being". But, anyway I think what you've said is right.

This is one of the most stupid things I've ever seen on TV. It was on
spring festival party (year?). This is actual one of the worst aspects
of Chinese culture. It reminded me an incident when I visited my
cusine who was educated and lived in countryside. He never believes
wastern medicine, said it's just experiment.

I was shocked when I saw well educated people did that. Instead of
recognizing the advancement that computer has brought to us, they just
simply try to be blind. I also reminded me in the early steam machine
year people compete steam machine against horse.

Technically, the competetion on TV was between the speed of mind calculation
and that of key strike of human beings.


Y.Duan
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From: eluo@engr.latech.edu (Erming Luo)
Subject: Re: ########  Who is from Hefei,Anhui?
Reply-To: eluo@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:40:49 GMT

Hi, Body!  I am a from Hefei, Anhui. Did you know any guys coming from
Hefei or Hefei University of Technology? please let me know. Thank you 
very much. Have a Goodday!


Your friend: Erming Luo
             318-251-2276

sorry I don't have a 1-800- free call. take it easy.



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