HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dsimon@jupiter.noname (Don Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Citrons (was Re: Linen and wool)
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: dsimon@jupiter.noname
Organization: Informix Software


In article 92Oct7143550@meryl.csd.uu.se, vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:
>Forgive my ignorance: "Citron" is the Swedish word for "lemon".
>
>What is the difference between a citron and a lemon in English?
>
>William

A citroen is a cheesy car, a real lemon  ;->

don
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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Authorization and armour requirements
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:11:03 GMT

In article <7646@monmouth.edu> usenet@monmouth.edu (Usenet News) writes:
>Path: utkux1.utk.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!monmouth.edu!usenet
>From: usenet@monmouth.edu (Usenet News)
>Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>Subject: Authorization and armour requirements
>Message-ID: <7646@monmouth.edu>
>Date: 6 Oct 92 20:59:59 GMT
>References: <921005151157_71431.167_EHJ17-1@CompuServe.COM>
>Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764
>        Are there any ftp sites that have East Kingdom laws, weapon
>Lines: 18
>can help me figure out which subareas I'm in I would be most thankfull.  My
>mundane location is Point Pleasant Beach, Ocean County, New Jersey, USA).
>	Is it generally acceptable/legal to wear a sword as part of garb if
>it never clears the scabbard and the wearer is unauthorized?
>From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
>Path: moncol.monmouth.edu!c1741
>
>	Thank you for answers to any of these questions.
>
>	Slainte!
>	Michael
>
>|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
>|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
>|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu | Carpe Vitam, too.       |o|
>|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
>|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
>|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
In the People's Republic of New Jersey, you are strongly advised to NEVER 
display a means of self-defense in a public place.  The mundane authorities
get ALL bent out of shape.  

I have been active in defense of civil liberties protected under the Second 
Amendment for a number of years now, and people traveling with firearms or 
anything that could be (mis)contrued as a weapon are generally warned to 
avoid travel in your state.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: kathleen@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: FRP negative stereotypes
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:23:47 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <viking.718996164@vincent1.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
> 
> 	On the other hand, the gamers can easily fit within the
> medieval world the SCA creates by limiting their gaming conversation
> to those games that may have existed in period.

	The problem I have with this thread is that many (although 
certainly not all) posters on it seem to equate "gamers in the SCA" solely 
with "those weirdos who play AD&D and pretend they are elves at events".  
I am a gamer.  I am a member of SCA.  My gaming life, although influenced 
now and then by things I have learned in SCA, is entirely separate from my 
behavior at events.  When I'm gaming, I'm in an unreal world.  When I'm at 
a SCA event, I'm attempting to live in the Current Middle Ages.  I suspect 
there are quite a lot like me out there.

	I, too, am irritated by people who "disrupt the dream".  I don't 
see why they feel obliged to play games that directly irritate people 
trying to participate in the avowed purpose of an event.  (Sorry if the 
wording is awkward.  Midterms, you know.)  In any case, I really 
appreciate those of you who have refused to tar all gamers with a single brush.

			--Kathleen Fuller
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: What is a Baron
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:58:26

V> Here in the Barony of the Steppes, we have at 
V> least 3 and sometimes four
V> meetings on weeknights per week, in addition to events and special
 JM> What stops you from adding more?  If there are 
 JM> enough people to support a
 JM> dozen meetings on a particular night, why not have 
 JM> a dozen meetings?  I
 JM> think that many of the problems that plague large branches grow from a
 JM> mistaken notion that everybody should play 
 JM> together.  That's silly: Not
 JM> everybody is playing to same game, and some people 
 JM> simply don't like each
 JM> other.  Nothing is gained by forcing them to attend 
 But....... we LIKE to play together.  And there *are* a few night-
 conflicts here and there.  It just seems that invariably a conflict 
 is forcing *someone* to make a choice between 2 things they'd like to 
 do.  Sure, most of us are making choices anyway, just so we can still 
 have a life squeezed in among the SCA stuff, but in general we'd 
 prefer not to have to make a choice on a given night.
     Gwenllian CfM

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Re:One Oh
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:59:02 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston

>>*    Six for the Six proud Servants
>>
>>The six required great offices for a baronial or higher group:
>>Seneschal, Herald, Chronicler, Marshal, A/S Officer & Reeve.
>
>Waitaminnit.  Reeve?  What's a Reeve?  How do you say "Reeve" in
>Western?
>
>(Possibly "Constable"?  Constables run gate, do fire-watches, speak
>gently but firmly to those who misbehave & kick them off site if
>necessary, etc.)
>
>Interkingdom Anthropology strikes again....

Um, actually _Intra_kingdom Anthropology strikes again :)
While Exchequer is used for Lochac's Principality office, Reeve
is used (in Ynys Fawr at least) for local <person who keeps the books>
I didn't (and don't) have my copy of the governing documents handy, so
I just used the terms I was familiar with. (Constable aint required;
neither is Chatelaine, Hospitaler, Chirurgeon or seperate offices
for Arts and Sciences (one of either is all that is needed)

(See, I _said_ there were more than eleven wrong ways to act! :)

-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac (still Western for the time being ;)
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit. 
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 19:06:18 -0500

Carolus Malvoix (parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)) writeth:

 CP> looking good on the field is the second most important
 CP> responsibility of a fighter;-) Fighting well being the first.

Be careful with your terms, m'lord, lest someone confuse "fighting well" with
"winning".
From: stiletto@triton.unm.EDU (KEN HARGIS aka CONNAICH CHATTAN)
Subject: SCA digest
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:47:51 GMT


Please remove me from the mailing list for the SCA digest.  I have been having
problems with my e-mail files, and due to newly established quotas, 
I can't keep up with the digest at the moment.

Many thanks,

Coinneach Chattan.
From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Alchemy
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:34:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Greetings unto the gentles of the Rialto!

Justin du Coeur asks about the history of alchemy in the Christian West.
Like so much else with Classical origins, alchemy reached the West by way
of the Arabic world, and its presence in Christendom thus becomes of      
importance about the same time as, say, Aristotle -- somewhere in the 
12th Century, if I'm remembering correctly.

It's quite true that most of the famous alchemists of the West were 
Renaissance or Reformation in period; but there's a great deal of 
anonymous material (the so-called "Latin Geber", for example) that dates
back well into the High Middle Ages.

For probably the best period view of the subject (admittedly, a skeptical
one), look up Chaucer's Canon's Yeoman's Tale.  There's also a plentiful
scholarly literature on the subject.  (Personally, I tend to avoid Jung
in matters alchemical, as he seems to me to be a little too quick with
his own notions, a little too slow to look at what the alchemists 
themselves were saying.  IMNSHO, of course.)

-- Nicholas Ulfin of Glastonbury
   Madrone, An Tir
   grimoire@u.washington.edu
From: SN=Carol_L+p_Smith%SU=SMITH%GI=CAROL%IN=CL%Monsanto@mcimail.COM ("Carol L. Smith")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Greetings!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:13:00 GMT
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Organization: The Internet

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Rialto from Caroline!
 
I just wanted to let you know I am alive and living in Calontir.
I'm getting the Digest, so my postings will be few.
 
Feel free to write and say 'hello'!
 
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From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Low Mileage Colic Cure
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:56:26 -0500

Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney) writes:

 AF> Supposedly depending
 AF> on driving to make the baby sleepy can do this--one associates the
 AF> sounds and smells with sleeping in later life, and can't help but feel
 AF> drowsy.

That explains Maryland drivers....  B->

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From: lindal@goddess.asd.sgi.com (Linda Levy)
Subject: Re: Multi-Multi-Dukes (was Re: Dancing from Pictures; Waivers)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:20:30 GMT


come-on Hal, What about Radnor???
7 times King of the West

(and counting)
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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: On Barons and Membership
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:28:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.035236.22378@wixer.cactus.org> badger@wixer.cactus.org (Badger) writes:
>	I view the, seemingly, very rapid rise of the bureaucracy in the
>Society with more than a little horror.  In Ansteorra, now, we have to be
>Authorized to shoot Target Archery! The authorization is simple and quick 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's insane.

>but the Idea is offensive. The newly published marshalate rule even specify
I agree.


>the approved method for removing an arrow from a butt, and any infraction
>of the rules are grounds for revoking the authorization.
>
>	Much more bureaucracy, and its associated rules and regulations, and
>this game is going to cease to be fun for, in my opinion, a large portion
>of the populace, and this 20+ year old Dream that we all share is going to
>start turning nightmarish, and I, for one, don't voluntarily hang around for
>nightmares.


The Marklanders are looking better and better, hey?

-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
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From: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Subject: Re: Boycotting the Vote
Reply-To: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:38:28 GMT

In article <Bw1o17.AzE@world.std.com>, rhs@world.std.com (Richard H
Schwartz) writes:

>>In reality, voting does not work.
>
>It works better than not voting.

That's not always true.  Sometimes voting produces worse results; it
continues a system that would instead be changed if people rejected
voting.  It continues electing incumbents who continue destroying the
country.  If a country gets bad enough, a point is eventually reached
when it is better to stop and turn to something else.

>>Citizens can also take control themselves.  
>
>Yes.  By having people vote for them.

Few people can afford the time and money to run for office.  But that is
one way to gain control.

>If the people don't vote, the people can't gain control.

That's not true.  Ten million people on the Mall in Washington could
have enough control to get some results without ever casting a single
vote.  I have listed that and other means to control government.


>Sure you have.  You live there.  You abstained, thereby implicitly agreeing
>to the will of those who didn't abstain.

Abstention is NOT implicit agreement.  That makes no sense at all.  If
you are confronted on the street by two people armed with guns who
demand your money and you don't say a word, does your abstention from
speech constitute implicit agreement to being robbed?  NO!


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@alien.enet.dec.com
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Boycotting the Vote
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:09:58 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa

In article <1992Oct13.133828.13876@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, edp@math.zk3.dec.com
(Eric Postpischil) wrote:
> 
> In article <Bw1o17.AzE@world.std.com>, rhs@world.std.com (Richard H
> Schwartz) writes:
> 
> >>In reality, voting does not work.
> >
> >It works better than not voting.
> 
> That's not always true.  Sometimes voting produces worse results; it
> continues a system that would instead be changed if people rejected
> voting.  It continues electing incumbents who continue destroying the
> country.  If a country gets bad enough, a point is eventually reached
> when it is better to stop and turn to something else.

Only if people keep voting for incumbents.  Not-voting won't change any
system; it will ensure that the current system continues.  If *everyone*
would abstain from voting, then you might be right, but realistically, that
will never happen because there will always be people who actually want one
of the candidates to be elected.

> Abstention is NOT implicit agreement.  That makes no sense at all.  If
> you are confronted on the street by two people armed with guns who
> demand your money and you don't say a word, does your abstention from
> speech constitute implicit agreement to being robbed?  NO!

That is not an apt analogy.  If someone attempted to force you to vote,
then it would be an apt analogy.

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From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Fwd: Astrology: Scientific Research (Was Re: Doubters Of Astrology)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:02:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvvEBu.7Lo
Organization: Indiana University

ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes in part:
>|> 1) I have proven my beliefs to my self.

In article <1992Oct9.141222.7489@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu adds:
>Lemma 1':  I never make mistakes.
>Lemma 1'':  Personal experience is an infallible source of information
>      about both internal and external events.

Oh please.

If you're not going to believe your beliefs, you have nothing 
from which to work.  All scientists work from a paradigm, and
whence their paradigm comes is irrelevant; they must have a
basis upon which to build.  Eric has stated and recognised his 
own basic assumptions, which is a good bit better than many 
scientists do.  Others are so blind to their own unexamined
assumptions and where they got them that they can't see the
truth when it's right before their eyes.  It often requires 
the insight of the uninitiated to see the situation clearly, 
because the "expert" is caught up in his own learned bias.

Pick him apart after he's shown us what he does, if you like.
If he's willing to bare himself to your ridicule, knowing that
your prejudices are stacked against him, respect it and watch.


-sz  (By the way, by "you" I mean everyone)
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Boycotting the Vote
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:03:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa

In article <BvvFLG.8zp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) wrote:
> 
> Awlrighty, this one took me by surprise:
> 
> I just heard someone campaigning for people to boycott the vote
> in order to show people in government that we don't support them.
> He argues that this is the most effective way to "fix" this 
> country (USA, I'm sorry for my *centrism), because the government 
> will eventually come crashing down around their ears.
> 
> Does anyone care to explain by what sort of logic this would work?

The only way that I can see that it would work would be for everyone in the
country not to vote.  Since this is a patent impossibility, I'm not going
to attempt to implement it.

BTW, what is the ethnic origin of your first name?

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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: The Providence of Astology
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:22:24 GMT

edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) writes:
>
>But where was the doctor!?  The gravitational influence of the doctor is
>greater than that of Mars or most other astronomic bodies.  We want a
>detailed diagram of where the doctor was, where the midwife and various
>assistants were, et cetera.

Hmm. I was a breech birth, so my first official act in this world in this
lifetime was to moon people. They left. This had a significant impact on my
mother . . .
From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Famous Mensans
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 15:33:40 -0500

suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki) writes:

 HS> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) said:

Mike> F. Buckminster Fuller, Adrian Kronaur, Jean Auel, F. Lee Bailey,Mike>
Donald Petersen

 HS> just wondering who are these persons....

Famous architect, radio comedian/DJ (from the Vietnam War - see the movie "Good
Morning, Vietnam"), writer ("Clan of the Cave Bear", among other things), lawyer
(? something like that anyway), can't place the last one but it sounds vaguely
familiar.


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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Your Favorite Movie
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:59:32 -0500

Dave@school.edu writes:

 D>            Full of Sound and Fury

This was all you wrote.  Was it supposed to signify something?

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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Boycotting the Vote
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:20:01 GMT

In article <BvvFLG.8zp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes...
>Awlrighty, this one took me by surprise:
> 
>I just heard someone campaigning for people to boycott the vote
>in order to show people in government that we don't support them.
>He argues that this is the most effective way to "fix" this 
>country (USA, I'm sorry for my *centrism), because the government 
>will eventually come crashing down around their ears.

Dumb dumb dumb.  If "they" convince the general population not to vote, "they"
can maintain their power simply by keeping special groups very happy (and
actively voting) and these people will keep voting them back in.

By all means vote. If you think none of the candidates is worth voting for,
write in your own name, or Mickey Mouse, or Donald Duck or Scott Tai.  If
enough people do this the policians will see the votes are there for someone
worth voting for, it's just a matter of people worth electing deciding to
run.

Vote.

-Mike
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Densa
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:32:03 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

The Densa materials finally arrived.  I triedto post a full description 
yesterday, but I wanted to cross-post it and it seems to have disappeared.  
I'll try to find time to type it all in again later today.


              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033
From: lana@magenta.corp.sgi.com (Lana Mountford)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Bumping up the old test scores
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:57:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <Bvtzxv.E8t@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes) writes:
|>  	The obvious solution to getting high test scores is to improve
|> my math (I spent most of my time in math classes drawing or looking out
|> the window, and am quite frankly afraid of the stuff). Any less obvious
|> solutions (since a number of IQ test questions involve, not math, but
|> analogies and figuring out relationships, math won't help with
|> everything.)?

Tom, you might want to take the proctored tests that Mensa offers (the
Cattell and the CTMM, if memory serves).  I seem to recall that neither
really contains much math (I took them 13 years ago, so my memory
may be fuzzy).  You take both tests, but you need only "pass" one.

You're right in that they do contain analogies, but then that isn't 
really math.

-- 

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: ASTROLOGY READINGS, come and get it (not a reading yet, sorry Karleen)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:10:46 GMT

ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes:
>I'd *like* to hit McTaggart. . .unfortunately, I have to objectively
>relate his argument without inserting my measly undergraduate opinions.
>
>-sz  (whose entire worldview gets blown to bits every class session)


Do it.  Do a "finger" on his account, find his office, send him a
nasty, very, very long e-mail letter, wait 'til he reads it, finish
it with the line, "And I'm right behind you."  Soon as that last
page shows up, he turns around, BAM!  Use a nukite straight into
the bridge of the nose.  Then skulk away while he's calling you
crazy and stuff and searching for those weird glasses that you knocked
off his face and under the desk.

GM("Wacky Pranks 'R' US")S

PS, if he dies, I'll deny every having posted this.

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