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From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:10:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1hd0r1INNfes@aludra.usc.edu> fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Bekari puppet writes
>>>	Hey Nishit, stop insulting that animal (I'm not referring to Mustafa :)
>>>	will you? Sheesh, comparison with Mustafa....
>
>>Vijay puppet , I guess you have reached the society of animals as per
>>my advice .:-)))))
>
>	Anyday, anyday. I'm yet to come across a Mustafa Ibrahim species 
>	amongst non-religious animals so I guess I'll thank you for that
>	advice :)
>
>	FFT (fully fucked up toad)

So in the society of animals , you have been recogniezed as FFT :-)
That is a good news . At last you get the place you really deserve.
:-) 
Be happy toad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Subject: WANTED DEEPAK BOSE E-MAIL ADDRESS?
Originator: umchaud2@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: WORLD
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:40:30 GMT

         Dear Netters
 
    If anyone(or deepak himself)could provide me with his
    e-mail address because i really think that the guy has
    a serious attitude problem and needs some counselling
     HE IS AN ASSHOLE .
                             
MAUD AHMAD CHAUDHARY
umchaud2@ccu.umanitoba.ca


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Pakistan is lilbit different from Israel
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:27:47 GMT

In article <ljq7auINN7ar@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan
Hyder) writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.155645@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed
Khan) writes:
> 
> 
> Mustafa replying to J. A. Khan
> :: :
> :: 	Your argument is based on wrong presumptions. Religion is NOT the
> :: 	SOLE justification for creating Pakistan. The justification is
> :: 	based on the religion AND the followers of the religion being a
> :: 	majority who voted to form the state of Pakistan.
> :
> :
> :
> :And when was the vote taken?
> 
> Pick up any book on history of partition. 
> Hint: Look around the dates when partition took place.
> 	It would be better if you look at the dates "before"
> 	the year of partition. I hope you wouldn't need more
> 	hints, else
> 
> 



Was it a referendrum on the creation of Pakistan?




--Javed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:40:37 GMT




 hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

  vi.> Don't tell me that Islam protects other religions because 
      I know that the treatment reserved for Zimmis is 
      "peace with servility" adn not "peace with honor."
Well, tell me how USA would have treated a "communist" 10 years ago,
bent upon destroying the apple cart of US law? If some one is not
bent upon destroying the very framework on which the country is
based, then he can do what ever he wants as is the case in any country.
==========================


There are two states in India ruled by communist parties and India is a 
secular state right ?

So how does the example of USA justify the contenion? 

When any muslim country is taken as an example to justify some unfavourable 
view about Islam, why is recourse taken by many to the claim that these muslim
countries do not represent an Islamic system?

Its easy to pick up isolated events to use as a stick to berate a system
whether it is Islam or secularism.

The point about secularism is that it is just a concept which can be
implemented
based on ones interpretation of that concept. It is guided by some very broad
principles and it is upto the implementing states to use or abuse its goal.


--Javed.
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Disgusted! Why?
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:29:00 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
> 
>	Array, amjadee, jan-e-mon, itnaa ghussaa. ghussa thook doe.
>yeh network azaad hae. I guess this is the only thing which has any thing
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to do with Pakistan and is still azad. Oss din say derro jaani, jis din
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HA HA !! LOOK A PAKISTANI SPEAKS THE TRUTH !!!

THNKS A LOT MANSOOR !

YOU BELONG TO THE MOST RARE SPECIES ON THE EARTH : " BRAVE MUSLIM "

 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

>Pakistan may computers iss network say hook up ho gae. Haraami polticians,
							^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	
	 HA***MI MULK KE HARAAMI POLITICIANS !

	 HO HO HO HO HO HO !!!

>zaalim fauj kay nikamay generals, khufyaa police kay kaarinday, sub iss
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

a	TERRORIST MULK KI ZAALIM FAUJ !!

	HA HA HA HA  HA HA HA HA !!!

>b.board say kaan/aankh legaa-ae ho'n gay.  Idhar toom nay kuch'h kehaa
>aur oodhar in rishvat-khore politicians, generals, aur oon-kay-chamchay
							^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

							FOR EXAMPLE :
							SHAMS HASAN

>toomhari aisee-taisee ker dai'n gay.
>	In the name of freedom of speech/expression, I request all Pakistanis
>and non Pakistanis to put whatever they feel like.
			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	I HAVE BEEN DOING JUST THAT !!!

>if I want to call Navaz Sharif(LVQ)  and Benazir(LVQ)  chores
>and Daacoos of the nation I should be allowed to. Thanks god Pakistan is
>not connected to the Network.

>P.S.   LVQ = La'hole Vallaa Quwat for the shiyaateen-e-kabeers like
>             Navaz Nosharif and Bezamir.

>Mansoor
^^^^^^^^
A BRAVE MUSLIM



I UNDERSTAND THE AGONY OF YOU PAKISTANIS VERY WELL AND
I AGAIN FEEL SORRY FOR YOU GUYS .

WHY DON'T YOU GUYS GIVE YOUR FULL SUPPORT TO THE GOVT. OF INDIA
SO THAT IT CAN DO SOMETHING FOR THE LIBERATION OF POOR PAKIS
, LIKE IT DID IN 1971 FOR THE POOR BANGLADESHIS .

	I AM SERIOUS GUYS ! IT IS NOT A BAD IDEA !

		THINK ABOUT IT !!!!

			WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSES .

			 
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From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 30 Dec 1992 22:53:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

Posting for FFT:
In article <1992Dec31.140947.13158@topaz.ucq.edu.au> salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>> 	as it was a divine revelation. He CANNOT make such a claim and at
>> 	the same time bring in Science. If he wants to deal with pure faith,
>> 	that's fine. Just don't denigrate Science and scientists like
>> 	Hawking. You can define "perfect" as "that which is like Quran".
>> 	IMO, that's cheating.:)
>
>     May I bring in poetry, literature, philosophy, sociology, ... along
>with divine revelation? Is science some kind of taboo? Or is science some
>kind of the holy of the holy not to be touched by the people who talk about
>religion?

	You still don't get it, do you? Science can be talked about by
	the religious peepuls but it cannot be used alongside a divine
	being. Science rejects a divine cause for anything.


>      You call it "naive" interpretations and I call it a scientists'
>interpretations. 

	An interpretation cannot have the status of a "scientist's 
	interpretation" just because a scientist (a poor one at that)
	furthers it. It has to satisfy the basic tenets of Science and
	God does not fit into it.


Science is no longer a taboo in religion. People like
>Dr.B and Paul Davies (theoretical physicist who wrote "the mind of Gad")
>are talking about God and religion. Keep up with the latest developments. :-|)

	Ever hear of Anthropic Principle? When physicists talk about God,
	they use it metaphorically. Paul Davies points out just this.

	FFT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: fall217@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Shams Hasan, stop the blasphemy
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:11:57 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

 I am sorry to interupt mr and mrs Idiot.  The history of more than 1400 years and allover the world can not be genralized by one or even several incidents like one you mentioned (supposing every thing you have mentioned is true).  

One more thing I want to point out, that you dont define sikism by the behaviour of Rangeet singh,cristianity by the Hitler and the birtishers and the Neuclear attack at Japan, so how inteligent is to define islam by any action of one king   or all the actions of one king or so on and so forth.

Or hinduism by the actions of Jay pal or indra gandhi.  I really dont know the names of BJP b.......d leaders

Or jewdaism by the actions of Isreali goverment.

I am sure you have got the point that you may have problem with baber (you may not know his side of story) but to make a point from his actions shows that you really had no point. 
Did ever muslims said that they want to stablish a goverment as Baber did?

Pleas dont take any thing personal. if you have any thing against me or some body write him personally dont bore other people.
thank you
naqvi.

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From: fall217@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Appology demmanded from dchatterjee
Date: 26 Dec 1992 18:57:26 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu
Keywords: death threat

 I want to clearify one thing that I am not agree with the 
thoughts of mr.shams either.  Dont assume that I am supporting 
such kind of things.
syed agha saeed

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From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human
Subject: Pointer -> Somalia News Update, No 44
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:33:27 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se

SOMALIA NEWS UPDATE NO 44, just posted on several groups including 
soc.culture.african. Direct subscriptions available free of charge upon
e-mail request!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:18571 soc.culture.bangladesh:6927 soc.culture.indian:41559
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Difference and Prototypes (Re: Difference)
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:35:04 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

   Asim Mughal's Donkey "wrote" !!!!!!!! :

>In article <1992Dec20.194821.1645@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, 
>imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?
> 
> 	A.  Religion

        Q. What is the species (hybrid) between a man and a pig ?

        A. Mustafa Ibrahim alias president of NEPPA and Asim Mughal's Donkey.
           (Unfortunately, this member of an extinct species should be kept
            in the safekeeping of a zoo.) 

        Q. What is his religion (implying that religion is a way of
           life) ?

        A. (1) To issue death-threats to anyone who disagrees with him.
           (2) To cast stupid examples and claim them as logical.
           (3) To finally molest the English language in the most inhuman
               manner when he gets irritated - having nothing better to do.
           (4) Support terrorists and oppressors.
           (5) Be always abusive.
           (6) Modify someone's e-mail and so on.
          

    - good luck donks,

         deb chatterjee
       (a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 1 Jan 1993 14:55:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1i2freINNjja@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman) writes:
>
>	Well, anything we can't prove we call superstition. Doesn't
>	that smirk of vainness ?! If later we happen to discover

  What science 'claims' is that anything that can be "observed" can
  be explained rationally without recourse to "miracles" or/of "god".
  When some phenomenon  cannot be explained rationally, it only means that
  the "observation" is faulty. That is why "rAhu or kEtu eating up
  the moon" is superstition while a "lunar eclipse" is not.

>	that there was truth in it we don't call it superstition any
>	longer. That's funny. Man is not all-knowing. That is why we
>	cannot say that anything we cannot explain does not exist, that
>	it is superstition. We cannot do that. 
>

  Ya. Science occasionally does the "Ostrich Act" when it encounters 
  things it cannot explain...Best left to the GodMen; Oshos of the
  world do need their jobs...

>--
>
>Rajesh Raman
>
>--
>

Sudarshan 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aftab@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Aftab Ahmad;MU-SPIN/CESDIS)
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:13:44 GMT

jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
[deletion]...


>The whole idea of Pakistan was based on the premise that muslims must strive
>for an Islamic "political" state and the inspiration for such a premise was
>said to be derived from Islam. Hence I wanted someone to give me some evidence
>for the premise being made.

	Dear Javed. This thread is on the screen for months now. I did not
see one historical evidence on the above claim. I will really appreciate if
you will join people like myselfin your conversation just by mentioning a little
bit on how you got this idea.

>> 
>> >
>> >   And continue the fight against them until all mischief is effectively 
>> >   destroyed and the only DEEN holding sway is Allah's DEEN and none 
>> >   other. [Al Anfaal 8:39]
>> 
	I don't know a lot about Koran but why would fighting always mean
killing. Cann't fighting against mischief be like fighting against disease?
Deen of Allah (laws of nature) will certainly hold no matter how Muslims 
live.

>Its not my objective to pass judgement on the intention of the leaders/people
>for the sake of hating/liking them. The objective (as I had stated in one
>earlier post) is to analyse history and events to be better able to face the
>present and plan for the future. The effort is purely academic.


Yes.


>--Javed.

Aftab
-- 
Ruler told Socretese 'You think, therefore you are not'
From: oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Oded Feingold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Issues(?) with IMustafa, people, animals, vegetables, minerals
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:19:11
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tissot.ai.mit.edu


1.  Ibrahim, someone is posting threats in your name via the Finnish
	anonymous posting service.  That is nasty.  The person also
	ascribes to you a certain level of joy in the sufferings of
	people in Bangladesh 1969-71.  As a good Muslim, I am sure you
	would never pen such tripe.  Feel free to confirm (or deny) in
	public or private.

2.  Deb Chatterjee, Samit Banerjee, Vijay Fafat and others: please do
	NOT use animal analogies in insulting Mr. Mustafa.  
		It is 	unkind to the animals. 
		It is unkind to Mr. Mustafa, by applying to him
			criteria which have no applicability to his
			life.
		It is generally inappropriate, for it generates
			negative emotional associations with animals
			in the readership, whether or not they approve
			of trashing Mr. Mustafa. 

3.  I have seen several references to MSA as a gang of terrorists and
	assassins for hire.  If MSA has a spokesperson, that person
	should protest such negative characterizations.
	Unfortunately, silence indicates at least subliminal consent.
	
	By the way, has anyone actually committed violence in the name
	of MSA, or is this accusation just a scurrilous slander?

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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 24 Dec 1992 10:51:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Bukhari Mustafa Ibrahim  writes:
>>	Hey Nishit, stop insulting that animal (I'm not referring to Mustafa :)
>>	will you? Sheesh, comparison with Mustafa....

>Vijay puppet , I guess you have reached the society of animals as per
>my advice .:-)))))

	Anyday, anyday. I'm yet to come across a Mustafa Ibrahim species 
	amongst non-religious animals so I guess I'll thank you for that
	advice :)

	FFT

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From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Moslems
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:20:04 GMT


>8)indian temple. our mosque was destroyed by hindus because of a fiction. the
>bjp has a list of other mosques it is going to destroy if it gets a chance to
>because other "gods" were "born" on those cites. as for the ongoing
>muslim/hindu conflicts, manoj talk to a woman named fazila dosani, she is a
>student at uc, she and her family had to leave india because of some problems.
>go find out.

Zafar,

First I want to thank you for not using your usual rhetoric of Hindus hating
Muslims in India without any basis to support your claim.  You have brought
the discussion to a more personal level.  I was the president of ISA here
at UC, so I know how many Indian muslims here.  I hope you will agree we
have quite a few here.  I won't name any because that is like puting 
pressure on them, why don't you talk to them.  In the ISA commitee, we had
an Indian Muslim member and also the Indians here say I was elected as
the president because a Pakistani member of ISA did not stand against me.
He would have obviously done a much better job, but when he found out I
was standing for that post he did not enter the race so as not to embrass 
me, he is a good friend of mine.  If I had known about that then 
I would have withdrawn from that post myself.  The point I am trying 
to make is that we Indians rarely care of religion of people, 
something which you are very obsessed with.  The Indian
Muslims here go to the Mosque with Pakistanis, but always move around with
Indians.
I am sorry about what happened to Fazila, I dont know her and I won't
talk to her about this.  Her family may have met some fanatics in India.
But this I am sure is a very isolated incident, we like every where else
have our share of fanatics, but most Indians are not like that and the GOI
is always trying to control such behaviour.  BJP has paid for the destruction
of the Mosque, the Muslim groups in India are saying that the govt has gone
too far in punishing them, and the Hindus are saying that we didn't go far
enough.  In India we always try to make sure that the other group is not
offended.  
You claim that Gods born in those areas as fiction, but on the other hand
you do not think that 'Quran written by Allah' is fictional. What does that
tell you?  Maybe you are as blind as they are in fanatism.  I agree that
it is most likely that the BJP story is pure fiction, and oppose the
destruction of any Mosques in India, but I object to fanatics like you always
potraying Hindus in India as villans without any basis, people who claim
are true Muslims but turn a blind eye to the atrocities commited by Muslims
on fellow Muslims in the Land of the pure (something you should be more
concerned about, because I assume you were born there). 
>
>
>salam alaikum
>zafar

Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: Ahmet Arman <aarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: re-mansoor khan
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:05:00 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
Esselamu aleykum verahmetullahi veberaketuhu
(greeting of ALLAH must be on real believers)

Dear brother or mansoor khan 
I supposed that you mixed up me and irfan ahmed, my duty only remind you but 
your writing must be garbaged.
Actually I do not know What kind of muslim you are: 
Practicing muslim
middle muslim
secular muslim
I am want to ask this question because, I don`t know what kind answer you want please send your message to my account.
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
 O you who believe! take not the jews and the christians as friends. They are friends to one another. Whoever of you befriends them is one of them, ALLAH doesnot guide  the people who do evil.

Esselamu aleykum
Your brother in islam 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Ghazal Time...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 02:57:08 GMT

husaia@aix.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain) writes:


>	
>		Pure Ghazal In Urdu
>		--------------------


>The nation talks in Urdu the people fight in Urdu
>dear readers that is why I write in Urdu

>na ho jabb heart in the chest phir tounge in the mouth kiyoN
>to beautify this line throw some light in Urdu

>poetry ki nashistaiN cultural show hi sahi lakin
>please aay sahiban-e-dil mujhay invite in Urdu

>there should be yaqeenun no milaawut in the litrature
>therefore I never call shub ko night in Urdu

>meri nazmoN ka eik volume hay published Urdu meiN
>therefore I would like a copy right in Urdu

>Figar in this ghazal teri zabaan Urdu ho or english
>magar you have tied qaafiyay kiya tight in Urdu

>							(Dilavar Figar) 



If you ko aata nahi Urdu to problem kunh karte ho
Miss Under Standing hai to Stab Urdu ka maat karo

Bye
Adil

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