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From: palmer@sfu.ca (Leigh Palmer)
Subject: Re: Help.Analemma question???
Organization: Simon Fraser University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:02:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.124748.244252@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> f004@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
writes:
>I am looking for the answer to a basic question regarding the analemma.
>If you look at a picture of the analemma you notice that the top part of
>the figure eight is smaller than the bottom part. This top part represents
>when the sun reaches its highest point in this part of the sky during the
>summertime. However, summertime is the longest season lasting 94 days. Why
>isn't this shown in the analemma as a larger part of the figure eight??
>Please try to keep explanation basic (I am probably overlooking something,
>anyhow) this is for high school astronomy students.
>Thanks... Bill

The apparent size of the analemma is not so simply related to the duration of
the sun's time in either hemisphere. If you count the days along the analemma
you'll note that the northern hemisphere gets a week more sunshine than the
southern hemisphere. The days are closer together on the upper "half" of the
analemma.

A better way to look at this asymmetry is in terms of Kepler's second law of
planetary motion. The Earth is nearest the sun at a time very near the December
solstice. The Earth is nearer the sun during the time between the September and
March equinoxes than it is between the March and September equinoxes. Kepler's
law requires a greater angular velocity in northern autumn and winter than
during spring and summer, so that the product of angular velocity and distance
squared, which is proportional to the rate of sweeping out area, is the same
all year. Since there are 180 degrees to be covered in either interval, the
duration of northern fall and winter is shorter than that of spring and summer.

There. I think I've used all the PC terms so that I didn't offend the Kiwis and
Diggers. This is a nice example to use to illustrate the second law. It leads
to what I've always considered a little-known fact.

Leigh
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: sfadden@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Steve Fadden)
Subject: Books for sale again - Burnham's Celest. Handbk; Comets
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  aside: (Dana - I lost your address, please re-send)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:23:00 GMT

BOOKS FOR SALE: 

*** Burnham's Celestial Handbook: An Observer's Guide to the Universe Beyond
the Solar System.  

This is a three volume set, each volume is essentially new (never used), hard-
cover, over 600 pages per volume, retail $20.00 each.

The Handbooks give star charts, rotations, positions, hundreds (maybe thousands)
of lists including star clusters, nebulae, galaxies, RA&DEC for each.... 

Asking price: $25.00 

*** Comets: A Chronological History of Observation, Science, Myth, and Folklore.
by Donald K. Yeomans, 485 pages, hardcover, also never used.  Originally cost
$35.00.

Asking price: $15.00

Each of these books are packed with information.  I just haven't the time to 
read them.

Shipping handling not included in asking prices; Anyone with a reasonable 
offer can have them.

- Steve

...............................................................................
: Steve Fadden                                    sfadden@ucsvax.ucc.umass.edu :
: University of Massachusetts, Amherst                              Psychology :
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: bcollins@utdallas.edu (Arlin B. Collins)
Subject: S&T Weekly News Bulletin
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:56:04 GMT

**** 
 SKY & TELESCOPE NEWS BULLETIN
 September 26, 1992
 
 GO, MARS OBSERVER! 
 For the first time in 17 years, the United States has a spacecraft en
 route to the Red Planet. The Mars Observer thundered into space today
 atop a powerful Titan 3 rocket at 1:05 p.m. Eastern time, about 38
 minutes later than planned. The launch went flawlessly, but there was
 some apprehension for about the next 80 minutes. An upper stage rocket,
 the one that ultimately kicked the spacecraft free of Earth's gravity,
 failed to keep in touch with ground controllers. The stage did fire
 properly, however, and after its job was done the spacecraft separated
 and extended its booms and antennas. Only after Mars Observer checked
 in with the Deep-Space Network antennas in Australia were mission
 personnel certain that everything had gone according to plan. 
 
 The spacecraft is now racing into interplanetary space, moving more
 than a half million miles farther from Earth with each passing day.
 Once it reaches Mars next August, the 2 1/2-ton spacecraft will fire a
 braking rocket and slip into a polar orbit. After a few months more to
 settle in, Mars Observer will train its six instruments on the surface
 below. Over time it will acquire a global survey of the red planet's
 appearance, topography, chemical composition, and magnetism. A complete
 description of the mission appears in the October issue of SKY &
 TELESCOPE. 
 
 MYSTERY OBJECT REVISITED 
 Now that the Moon is on the wane, astronomers are once again examining
 the faint object discovered on September 14th in southwestern Pisces
 that appears to lie beyond the orbit of Pluto. The discoverers, David
 Jewitt and Jane Luu, were able to recover it last night, again using
 the University of Hawaii's 88-inch telescope atop Mauna Kea. According
 to Brian Marsden of the IAU, Jewitt and Luu are the only astronomers to
 have spied the mysterious object, which has been designated 1992 QB1.
 That may be due to the exceptional atmospheric stability atop Mauna
 Kea. Other astronomers with poorer seeing have tried without success to
 spot the object, which has an magnitude of 23.5. 
 
 Also, now that's it been seen over the course of a month, the object
 looks to be moving around the Sun prograde, that is, in the same
 direction as planets do. The object's orbit has yet to be determined,
 but based on its very slow apparent motion it must be an astonishing 37
 to 59 astronomical units from Earth! Given its faintness and great
 distance, 1992 QB1 would seem to be roughly 100 miles across. Whether
 it is a minor planet or comet is not yet clear, but nothing in our
 solar system has been seen so far from the Sun since Pluto's discovery
 in 1930. 
 
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From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings)
Subject: Re: zero gravity
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:12:43 GMT

     I suspect that the Jet Jockies with the right stuff coined
the 0-G term!
     In Zhvezhdny Gorodok (Star City) Russia when I was there
in July participating in a short cosmonaut training course, the
trainers and the cosmonauts that rode with us on the TU-76 MDK
aircraft to DO it all called it WEIGHTLESSNESS.
     I think I'D have to call it FREEDOM! It was an AWESOME,
WONDERFUL experience for those of us who didn't HURL!  8-)
--
From: bowen@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Devon E Bowen)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Clinton and Space Funding
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:02:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: bowen@castor.cs.buffalo.edu


In article <137275@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:
> >Think of it this way.  If everybody votes for their personal interests
> >and many people end up having the same interests, it is called the 
> >interest of society.
> 
> Good point. Furthermore, the concept of voting based upon what's "best for
> the society in general" presupposes that you know what's best for society
> better than they do. For my part, I prefer to let people decide what's
> best for themselves, and I would hope for the same consideration in return.

So if 60% of the people in this country are Christian and decide that it
is best for them for the government to financially support their religion
and no other then it's ok? Or even a more real example, when George Bush
says that atheists shouldn't even be considered citizens (as he did, in
fact, say) is it ok for the non-atheists in this country to vote this into
reality? Or when the people in the space industry vote for someone based
solely on how they will spend space money? I don't think so. That's what
is supposed to set this country apart from the rest. I'll continue to vote
for the good of society.

Sorry, I know this isn't sci.astro related. It'll be my last post on the
subject...

Devon
Newsgroups: sci.astro,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
From: oler@rho.uleth.ca (Cary Oler)
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 28 September
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:51:55 GMT

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 272, 09/28/92
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BGND-XRAY=B2.1     FLU1=1.3E+06  FLU10=1.5E+04  PKI=1123 4334  PAI=012
  BOU-DEV=005,016,019,018,054,029,017,038   DEV-AVG=024 NT     SWF=00:000
 XRAY-MAX= B9.7   @ 0928UT    XRAY-MIN= B2.0   @ 2359UT   XRAY-AVG= B2.8
NEUTN-MAX= +004%  @ 0005UT   NEUTN-MIN= -001%  @ 2250UT  NEUTN-AVG= +0.7%
  PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 2350UT     PCA-MIN= -0.2DB @ 1905UT    PCA-AVG= -0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55434NT @ 1125UT   BOUTF-MIN=55404NT @ 1800UT  BOUTF-AVG=55423NT
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GOES6-MAX=P:+155NT@ 1746UT   GOES6-MIN=E:-036NT@ 1725UT  G6-AVG=+098,-021,+031
 FLUXFCST=STD:115,115,115;SESC:115,115,115 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,020,025/015,035,045
    KFCST=2233 3322 3333 3445  27DAY-AP=003,014   27DAY-KP=1000 1221 2113 3443
 WARNINGS=*GSTRM;*AURMIDWRN;*AURLOWWCH;*MAGPAUSE
   ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!
From: kukkonen@niksula.hut.fi (Sami Kukkonen)
Subject: Re: Revenge of the Space Potatoes
Followup: alt.space.potatoes
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
	<KUKKONEN.92Oct1173810@supergirl.hut.fi>
	<1992Oct2.085356.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:47:22

Hannu P writes:

>    You are yourself paranoid with your 'tupsu-viitta'-stories in
>    sfnet.keskustelu.filosofia (philosophy) where I encontered your stupid
>    stories about The Holy Bible.

	If the Bible has stupid stories it doesn't make me paranoid,
	I was just commenting on these stories. If you have trouble
	understanding both science and religion I recommend that you
	study these subjects further. 

	However, this is all irrelevant and since our discussion has 
	nothing to do with science any more we can move it to /dev/null.
--
kukkonen@niksula.hut.fi/ Everything in this article is factual, and any
kukkonen@unda.fi      / resemblance to actual persons, places or organizations
    < Ardberg >      / living, dead or drunk, is purely intentional.
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings)
Subject: Re: How to teach about free fall? (was Re: zero gravity)
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:27:13 GMT

     I am the lucky recipient of a GREAT device for
demonstrating graphically the phenomenon of wieghtlessness. It
was created by the wonder-wizards at the Science Museum of
Virginia according to the plans of Philip Morrison.
     This gadget is a clear plastic PVC tube about 80 CM long
and perhaps 4 or 5 CM in diameter. On each end is a wingnut
screw tightened metal pipe cap with an expandable rubber
gasket. The tube is filled with water. Inside the tube is a
white ceramic sphere just slightly smaller than the inside
diameter of the tube.
     To use the device, you turn it over.  The ceramic ball
sinks through the water to the bottom end of the tube, and
air bubbles rise to the top of the tube. (Proves gravity is
working!)  ;-)
     Turn it over again, and as the ball begins to sink and the
bubble begins to rise, you toss the whole device into the air.
The moment it leaves your hand, the whole thing is in free-fall
(for those of you who REMEMBER the fifties! <G>). The ceramic
ball stops sinking down the tube, and the bubble stops rising
up the tube, since there is momentarily NO UP, and NO DOWN,
until you catch the tube.
	...really SLICK! Even LITTLE kids can understand the
concept intuitively, and can EXPLAIN it back to you later.
    Build yourself a Magic Antigravity Machine, and try it out;
it WORKS!
-- 
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald)
Subject: Seeing in the Midwest
Organization: UIUC SCS
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:55:36 GMT

I'm happy to report that this week the near-impossible has happened....
We've had a 5 day period of truly clear skies here in the Midwestern US,
(Central Illinois)
and truly amazingly, the first day of this the seeing was also good...
10 on a scale of 1-10. I've never seen seeing at 10 before around here,
and never better than 7 on a really clear dark night. That first night
I was able to see dim things essentially as clearly as in Colorado this
summer. I was able to see the helical structure of the Helix planetary
nebula and the ansae of the Saturn nebula with my 8 inch scope (and
an [O-III] filter). I was able to see all three parts of the Veil 
perfectly clearly (using 25 power which, with my elderly eyes, reduces
the scope to effectively a 6 inch one but gets a lot more in the field.)

And finally, the obligatory unhappy ending. That first night was very
dewy and my dew heater had, unbenownst to me, died, so it ended
prematurely. But last night was still quite dark and my heater was repaired.

Doug McDonald
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: jmcvey@boi.hp.com ( John McVey         x3638 )
Subject: Celestron C5 is back!
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:13:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

As a former owner of a Meade 4" SCT, I have longed for a little
more aperture in a compact package.  The 6" B & L has never
impressed me from even its cosmetic quality.

But now, Celestron is bringing back its C-5.  Orion telescope
center has them:

Spotter - $629
Classic - $830
Powerstar - $1300

Prices are approximate.  I have no association with Orion except
as a satisfied customer.

Would any satisfied C-5 owners out there like to comment on
this compact instrument.  I remember them to be incredibly light
weight.  So wonderfully light weight that you could hand hold
one as a monocular at low power.

John (still seeking the perfect scope, whatever that means) McVey
jmcvey@hpbslq.boi.hp.com
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: Origin of 7-day week
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:06:35 GMT
Summary: mostly "functional"

In article <1aagdgINNjc1@roche.csl.sri.com>, ronnie@cisco.com (Ronnie B. Kon)
writes:
> In article <Bv0Lsx.54J@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nash@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (David Nash) writes:
> |> In article <19ol45INNbmo@roche.csl.sri.com> ronnie@cisco.com (Ronnie B. Kon) writes:

> |> >Sunday		The Sun
> |> >Monday		The Moon
> |> >Tuesday		Tyr's Day (from *Tiwaz, a cognate of Zeus, Jupiter,
					Jahweh)
	[ that last is totally tendentious; there is no known cognate
	  relationship of YHWH with the IE "dios-pater" -- tempting as
	  the speculation is for some parties; there *may* be a distant
	  relation between IE and Semitic, but even that is controversial ]

> |> >Wednesday	Wotan's Day (better known in English as Odin)
> |> >Thursday	Thor's Day
> |> >Friday		Frea's Day
> |> >Saturday	Saturn's Day

> |> Idle dumb question time (I haven't been following this thread very closely
> |> recently):

> |> Is there believed to be any real correspondence between the gods chosen
> |> in the Romance languages' names for days (i.e., the Roman Mars, Mercury,
> |> Jupiter, and Venus) vs. those used by the Germanic/Scandinavian languages?

> There is a relationship, and it is called "The Germanic Interpretation" as
> I recall, but that's all I remember about it.

The relations had to do with conventional equations of the gods' functions.
(As, similarly, the Phoenician Melkart was equated with Herakles, to take
a totally non-astronomical example.)

Tiw is a bit of a ringer; he is not much mentioned in modern summaries
of the Germanic mythos.  Despite any linguistic relationship to Zeus/
Jupiter, the equation here is from his being a god of war, like Mars.
Jupiter, the thunderer, is of course translated to Thor.  The equation
of Freya with Venus is equally "obvious" (to simple minds like mine :-))
The real peculiarity is Mercury -> Odin, since Mercury seems to us like
such a minor god.  There are two points supporting this -- Odin was known
for widescale travels in disguise among mortals, and (maybe more important)
Mercury as Hermes Trismegistus is a *really big* figure in the astrological
and hermetic [yes, etymologically so-named] magical circles that used the
planetary week for its astrological "significance."  This also picks up
on Odin's association with "deep" knowledge.  Jupiter is NOT known for
being any deeper than your average despot.

It is also interesting that Saturn didn't get translated, at least in
English.  I'm not at all sure, but I suspect that German "Samstag" is
just a reduction of Saturnsdag.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (frisbee)
Subject: Seeking Correlation of Solar Activity to S/C Events
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:28:54 GMT

To Whom it May Concern,

	I am trying to correlate certain effects observed on an 
active spacecraft with possible solar proton emissons. The events
occured at UTC 1992/274-02:54:31 and UTC 1992/275-03:33:22. Was there
a high degree of solar activity at these times?

		frisbee@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov

Xref: sparky sci.astro:10296 sci.space:13815 news.answers:3182
From: j.jahn@abbs.hanse.de (Jost Jahn)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Sunspots at 02.10.1992.
Reply-To: j.jahn@abbs.hanse.de
Date: 02 Oct 92 19:55:00 MET
Distribution: sci
Organization: ABBS AstroMail, D-W 2121 Dahlenburg / Germany
X-Version: ZerUU V6.45c

Sunspots at 02.10.1992., 0 h UT.

No.    Pos.  Cl.  Ar.  Mag. SF  F  M  X
---------------------------------------
7289 09S 78W Hax   80   a
7293 06S 45W Dao   80   bg   1
7294 10S 22W Cho  230   b
7295 15N 00W Hsx  120   a
7296 08N 03E Dao   50   b
7298 17N 35E Dai  130   b    2
7299 13N 49E Hrx   30   a
7300 12N 73E Bxo   10   b

Explanations of spot columns:
No.  Running number of sunspot group.
Pos. Position in Latitude and Longitude.
     N - North, S- South, E - East, W- West.
Cl.  MacIntosh classification.
Ar.  Area in 10-6 of visible hemisphere.
Mag. Magnetic Classification.
     a - alpha, b - beta, bg - beta/gamma,
     g - gamma, bd - beta/delta, bg - gamma/delta
     bgd - beta/gamma/delta.
SF   Number of subflares.
F    Number of optical flares. (importance > 1).
M    Number of medium x-ray eruptions.
X    Number of strong x-ray eruptions.


No optical or x-ray flares yesterday observed.


 
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From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: colonies
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:21:30
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
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In-reply-to: inr@eccles.caltech.edu's message of 26 Sep 92 04:41:00 GMT

In article <25SEP199220415823@eccles.caltech.edu> inr@eccles.caltech.edu (I. Neill Reid) writes:


    This is more historical than astronomical, but let's get these
   things right:

    Carlos G. Neiderstrasser berates another for a lousy colonising 
   timescale between Columbus & Plymouth rock

    1) Columbus was Italian, not Spanish (he just found a Castillian/
       Aragonese funding agency)

    2) The Norse managed to establish some sort of colony in Labrador/
      Newfoundland well before Columbus (and they're probably a better
      (if still very, very thin) analogy to Apollo).
      [Least I can do after managing to forget the Scandinavians in
       ESO - especially since the Danish telescope is the only one there
       I've actually used.]

Not the only Scandihoovians you have to worry about ya Scottish git
;-)

You're right though, the Vinland voyages may unfortunately be a better
analogy for Apollo, in which case you're looking at 4-500 years of
development rather than 100... :-(

|  Steinn Sigurdsson	|I saw two shooting stars last night		|
|  Lick Observatory	|I wished on them but they were only satellites	|
| steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware?		|
| "standard disclaimer"	|I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983	|



Newsgroups: sci.astro
From: shade@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Douglas Shade)
Subject: Discrete Red Shifts
Reply-To: shade@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:20:56 GMT

I heard a lunch discussion today which had to do with the recent
conclusions that all known red shifts are falling into discrete 
regions.  (i.e. quantum levels?)

Does any body out there have a reasonable (or humorous) explanation for
this?


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shade@chdasic.sps.mot.com                  
602-821-4096
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: help ID'ing satellites
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:49:04 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <54137@dime.cs.umass.edu+ rudenko@ptolemy.phast.umass.edu (Michael Rudenko) writes:
+During an observing run at Kitt Peak in May,
+we picked up a couple of satellites on some
+frames taken with a prototype Infra-red CCD
+camera.  As this was "first light" for the
+camera, I am curious what satellites they
+were and very roughly how bright they might
+have been (visually).
+
+Both observations were made on 12 May 1992.
+The first satellite was traveling roughly
+NW to SE (or SE to NW), and picked up at
+around RA: 17h 15.5m, Dec: +43d 32m (1950.0
+coordinates), at 07:36:54 UT.  The other
+satellite was traveling NE to SW (or vice
+versa), passing through RA: 17h 15.5m,
+Dec: +44d 58m (1950.0), at 07:38:00 UT.
+
+Kitt Peak is located at longitude 111d 36m W,
+latitude +31d 57.8m N, altitude 2120 meters.
+
+Thanks...
+
+
+Michael Rudenko
+rudenko@ptolemy.phast.umass.edu

I ran Mike McCants' Quicksat program with Ted Molczan's file of 651
two-line satellite elements from May, 1992 for your position and date. 
I got 5 candidates which were in your sky near the time you give, but
none was at the position.

Ted's list contains about 9 percent of all objects in orbit (pretty
good, actually), but it seems that what you saw are in the other
91 percent.

Your observations were late at night and high in the sky so that
the earth's shadow was about 1500 km above you, so the objects
were at least at that height.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.  
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.physics
From: fischer@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Phil Fischer)
Subject: Re: Progress with New Cosmologies (& discrete redshifts)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:47:11 GMT

In article <Bv6z8u.vH@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
>
>     The following meeting report is reprinted from the Sept. 15, 1992 issue
>of the Meta Research Bulletin, for which I serve as editor.

How does one receive copies of this bulletin?

Phil
-- 
Phil Fischer                         | Hamilton, Ont.
fischer@crocus.physics.mcmaster.ca   | Canada
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy       | L8S 4M1
McMaster University                  | 416-525-9140 X 4574