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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: mkdir
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:07:38 GMT

stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:

>>>Don't bother supporting the colon.. I couldn't imagine that anyone would
>>>actually use the colon. That was a stupid move by Apple.
>>
>>Do you realize that the colon is the only valid seperator character for
>>HFS formatted volumes?  Although it technically doesn't matter, when your
>>average user tries to use colons it would confuse them if they didn't 
>>work.

>	Hmm, maybe you should convert the "/"'s to colons.  That'll
>make it work with either HFS or ProDOS partitions, and then the user
>doesn't have to know what the file system is.

  Believe it or not, a lot of GNO's design hours is deciding issues
like this.

  The definition of separator is basically this:

  The first one of : and / to appear in a left to right scan of the
pathname.

  That definition is used by GNO and GS/OS.  If the separator is a :,
then you leave '/'s alone. If the separator is a '/', then you can
convert them to colons if you really feel it necessary, but GNO & GS/OS
will in fact eat '/'s as yummily as ':'s.


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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: mkdir
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:11:05 GMT

stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:

>	Yeah, that's a possible problem with using other file
>systems... :(  Well, accept colons for those who must have /'s in
>their filenames, and convert /'s for those who are so used to /'s can
>still use them.

   Steve, this isn't necessary.  GNO & GS/OS can deal just fine with both
colons and slashes as separators.  You ought to see the logic in GNO's
pathname processing code to deal with it!  Under GNO and I presume
GS/OS too, you can CD into directories on an HFS, etc. volume with the slash,
as long as none of the pathname components have slashes in them.

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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Is console a tty ? (was Re: segment sizes)
Keywords: gno, ioctl, tty
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:28:25 GMT

voss@i43s6.ira.uka.de (Stefan Voss) writes:

>In my configuration (ORCA/C 1.3, Linker 2.0, GNO 1.0) the call to gtty returns
>still -1 (error) and "Error" is printed on my screen, though the components
>of variable "savetty" seem to be set up correctly after the call.

>I think I'm going to ignore the bad result. Any comments ?

  Yes, there was I believe a problem where ioctl would occasionally
return errors for no reason.  As long as you're sure the data coming back
is valid, ignore the error.

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From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: mkdir
Date: 8 Nov 1992 02:01:19 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <1992Nov7.233619.3996@news.columbia.edu> 
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>>>Don't bother supporting the colon.. I couldn't imagine that anyone would
>>>actually use the colon. That was a stupid move by Apple.
>>
>>Do you realize that the colon is the only valid seperator character for
>>HFS formatted volumes?  Although it technically doesn't matter, when your
>>average user tries to use colons it would confuse them if they didn't 
>>work.
>
>	Hmm, maybe you should convert the "/"'s to colons.  That'll
>make it work with either HFS or ProDOS partitions, and then the user
>doesn't have to know what the file system is.

That's an idea, although a slash IS a valid character for a filename/directory
name...then again, I wouldn't want to encourage the use of slashes in 
directory names either ;-)

Comments, anyone?

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From: mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz)
Subject: Emacs
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:04:29 GMT

I use emacs a lot on the Unix at school, and I have GNO.  I have a problem
with the .exe emacs that was posted on the binaries.  I have been using the
3.9e version of emacs for the GS, but I could never get it to run correctly
under GNO.  I thought that the 3.11 version would fix the problem, but it
hasn't.

I get a cursor in the upper left corner of the screen, and a lot of my
characters do not get printed to the document in emacs.  When I quit emacs,
I see a whole bunch of characters on the next line.  It appears that 
something in GNO is causing a problem because this doesn't happen when
I change the filetype and run emacs as a .SYS16 file.  Is there something
wrong with the way that GNO handles input?  I am not running any processes
in the background when the problems occur.

	Thanks,
		...Mike

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From: taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao)
Subject: uEmacs mail script
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:03:51 GMT

    The uEmacs-based mail reader is practically finished code-wise.  Anyone
want me to mail it to them (other than the people I've already heard from)?
It works for the systems I'm on, but I'd like to see how it handles mail
from other installations (I don't see any reason why I shouldn't work). 
Does someone know what format 'sendmail' expects outgoing mail files to be
in?  Right now I still have to do ASCII uploads of the replies through ELM.
I'd like to upload directly to sendmail.

    Also, how do I bind something like Apple-spacebar to a function?
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: c.s.a2.gno FAQ
Keywords: GNO FAQ
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:21:00 GMT

u9155376@cs.uow.edu.au (Adam Barclay) writes:

>How about adding minimum system requirements? (maybe recommended too)

>I suspect my unaccelerated 1 meg rom03 isn't going to cut it ..

  It depends on which OS you're running, and how many extensions you
have loaded.  I've never done memory use analysis on GNO, just recommended
at least 1.5MB.  You can probably get by with most applications (except
really big ones), but you won't be able to have several large applications
running at once. 

  Note that the GNO kernel and shell take much less memory than the
Finder; a little bit more than the ORCA shell.  But, they're
resident in memory all the time.

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From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: mkdir
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:36:19 GMT

>>Don't bother supporting the colon.. I couldn't imagine that anyone would
>>actually use the colon. That was a stupid move by Apple.
>
>Do you realize that the colon is the only valid seperator character for
>HFS formatted volumes?  Although it technically doesn't matter, when your
>average user tries to use colons it would confuse them if they didn't 
>work.

	Hmm, maybe you should convert the "/"'s to colons.  That'll
make it work with either HFS or ProDOS partitions, and then the user
doesn't have to know what the file system is.

>|          James Brookes            | Inet: bb252@cleveland.freenet.edu |


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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Bug with GNO and Shadow Register?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:57:38 GMT

Dave Huang sez:

>It seems that GNO doesn't always restore the state of the shadow
>register before a heartbeat task is called, which causes problems with
>programs that use a heartbeat task to update the bank $01 SHR screen,
>such as MODZap (the VUs meters don't erase properly). Would it be
>possible for GNO to restore the shadow register (and other important
>softswitches too :-) for heartbeat tasks?

  No.  And I'll tell ya why, too.  What happens is if a context switch
is going to occur, it's done _before_ calling the heartbeat tasks.
I have to way to control this because I can only pre-patch the Interrupt
Manager vector.  Thus, Ian's interrupt handlers are running under
_someone else's_ context. (GNO _does_ context switch the shadow register).

  Now, it might be considered incorrect to assume that the shadow 
register is set to what you want.  In fact, I would think that an interrupt
handler could never be certain of the context.  What Ian needs to do
is set&restore the Shadow register the way he wants around his
little doo-dad update code. 

  To prove my correctness :-), it's conceivable that some piece of
the system software (which Ian calls a lot) might modify the shadow
register during its operation.  If Ian's Heart Beat update routine 
got called during that, it would exhibit the same problems w/o GNO 
(on a lesser scale, of course, because the chances of that happening
are less).

  So, unless someone can get Apple to prove me wrong, it stands
as-is and Ian fixes his program. :-)

  (As a matter of fact, the Interrupt firmware is constantly dallying
with the shadow register- you can't assume anything).

  BTW, Ian, change the filename to "daveloses". :-)
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From: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Bug with GNO and shadow register?
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:25:44 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: daveh@foghorn.cc.utexas.edu

It seems that GNO doesn't always restore the state of the shadow
register before a heartbeat task is called, which causes problems with
programs that use a heartbeat task to update the bank $01 SHR screen,
such as MODZap (the VUs meters don't erase properly). Would it be
possible for GNO to restore the shadow register (and other important
softswitches too :-) for heartbeat tasks?

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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: ADD TO FAQ: Re: Emacs
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:04:54 GMT

mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz) writes:

>I get a cursor in the upper left corner of the screen, and a lot of my
>characters do not get printed to the document in emacs.  When I quit emacs,
>I see a whole bunch of characters on the next line.  It appears that 
>something in GNO is causing a problem because this doesn't happen when
>I change the filetype and run emacs as a .SYS16 file.  Is there something
>wrong with the way that GNO handles input?  I am not running any processes
>in the background when the problems occur.


  Matt, if you're reading this, here's one for the FAQ:

  Question: Some programs I run have two cursors and sometimes characters
    I type don't get sent to the program.  When I quit the program, the
    characters show up on the command line! What's wrong?

  Answer: You need to set the auxType of the program in question to $DC00.
    Use the chtyp command:
     chtyp -a \$dc00 programname
    Note the '\' character-it must be there.

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From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: mkdir 1.1 uploaded
Summary: mkdir 1.1 uploaded to pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu, in incoming/
Keywords: mkdir, update, pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:10:18 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

I've posted an update of mkdir to pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu, in the directory 
incoming/.  It adds support for the '-p' flag, and removes support of
multiple directories on the command line (actually, that version was never
released anyway :-).

Right when I finished it, I realized that there is a much more efficient
way to code the -p option, so there might be another update soon.  This
one works just fine however, as far as I can tell.

Please send any bug reports to me, if any (hah:-). 
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From: sander@carroll1.cc.edu (Scott Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: mkdir
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:29:17 GMT
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

Abaddon--
jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes) writes:


>That's an idea, although a slash IS a valid character for a filename/directory
>name...then again, I wouldn't want to encourage the use of slashes in 
>directory names either ;-)

>Comments, anyone?

When system 6 came out, one of the first things I did was to make an HFS
partition.  I named it "GNO / HFS"   I wound up typing a lot of strings.
:)   Not to mention the barfing the prosel did....

Please support both : and / as directory separators.  It is nice to have
unix like file names when using HFS.

Scott Anderson
GSrecluse
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From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Subject: GNO! Post
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:53:43 GMT


Oh. Looks like the net just found all those old messages and rammed them
on :)

Jawaid ---> I got Emacs off c.b.a2 to start with. I _do_ have 3.11c
            Yeah, I know I can remap, but part of me won't let me do
            that because I want to get used to UNIX commands :)

>   I have the 3.11c sources and will hopefully be reworking the I/O
> routines sometime in the next dozen or so years.

Long term comitments! I love a man who can plan <grin>

GR Thompson ---> Sure it's backwards! Assembly, Pascal, the GS tools,
etc.
                 They all push left to right. Only C is different!
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From: gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
Subject: Re: uEMACS, etc...
Organization: Computerized Processes Unlimited, Metairie, LA, (504)-889-2784
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com

In article <1992Nov10.151915.20229@quando.quantum.de>, henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan) writes:
>Hi, this is my first posting to the gno group......
>
>Interesting, there is no make for gno.........

	There is not make, however there are several subseted "makes".

>
>I have written one for HyperC, it's a subset of the real make, but it's
>features are growing daily. When I get gno & ORCA/C then I'll have to
>see about getting it up and running under ORCA/M & gno.
>
>
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From: sander@carroll1.cc.edu (Scott Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Appleworks 3.0 to ASCII converter
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:59:30 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI

Can one be easily written?  aroff pulls in awgs files, so I'm sure it
wouldn't be that hard to write a utility to do this.  I need to convert
about 600 files to text. 
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From: mfrankow@hamline.edu. (Michael Frankowski)
Subject: Re: -- Various --
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:57:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov07.044408.17988@r-node.gts.org> taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao) writes:
>speed.  Someone (Soenke?) mentioned there was an 'xemacs' around that works
>over a terminal.

I have uEmacs somewhat ported for working over a terminal, seems to work
okay, nothing great.  It is also 3.9e, so it isn't that current either :(

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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: FAQ
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:26:39 GMT

Matt- could you please email me the GNO FAQ? I'll put it on pindarus.

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From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Subject: Re: stty, gtty
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:35:02 GMT


Ah!! Looks like a message of mine made it .... just very, very, late.

I was starting to think -- maybe only the 1 liners that say "If you can
see this, EMail me" make it to the newsgroup! :)

Well, I did figure out that parameters thing a few days after I posted it.
Wasn't obvious!

Well, hoping THIS message will make it, let me recall a few of the things
I said in those dead messages.

Where can I find that GNO compatible vt100 com program?

Gee... I can't remember anything else I needed. Well, I'll post it [and
hope it makes it!] when I remember.

O
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From: isc10327@nusunix1.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: GNO term program?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:38:04 GMT

Rob Coleman (gt0449a@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
: 
: What makes you think that the same tactic won't work on a PC?  The exit
: command that I have with my current term program (Qmodem) has an option
: to exit while leaving DTR high.  This is exactly what you enjoy.
: -- 
	Yes, it'll work only up to this extend, but if you CAN'T REBOOT
your PC with Ctrl-Alt-Del 'coz the DTR will be dropped and the modem
will disconnect.  On the GS, I can reboot with OA-Ctrl-Reset (even do
self-tests OA-option-ctrl-reset) as many times as I want without
affecting the modem, as long as I DON'T TURN OFF the computer.
	I was at my friend's place using her 486 and while out in DOS
with the modem still connected, her DOS 5 command.com suddenly got
corrupted and died.  We had to reboot the whole PC and lost the line as
a result.  Took her 3 hours of redialling b4 she got in again.

: Rob Coleman ][ gt0449a@prism.gatech.edu        ][  "I think I'm going bald!"
: Comp. Sci.  ][ Georgia Institute of Technology ][        -Rush/COS

- DOTW -
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From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: mkdir
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:09:54 GMT

In article <bazyar.721213865@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>
>>	Yeah, that's a possible problem with using other file
>>systems... :(  Well, accept colons for those who must have /'s in
>>their filenames, and convert /'s for those who are so used to /'s can
>>still use them.
>
>   Steve, this isn't necessary.  GNO & GS/OS can deal just fine with both
>colons and slashes as separators.  You ought to see the logic in GNO's
>pathname processing code to deal with it!  Under GNO and I presume
>GS/OS too, you can CD into directories on an HFS, etc. volume with the slash,
>as long as none of the pathname components have slashes in them.

	I know GS/OS can handle them both for ProDOS...  from James'
statement about :'s being the only separator for HFS, I guess I was
under the impression that to access a HFS it would require /hd1/path
to be :hd1:path...  but I could be wrong... I'm not that up to date
about HFS and GS/OS...

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