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From: tnrogers@mtu.edu (Rogers)
Subject: N.C. State - Do they play football?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:25:42 GMT

It's truly funny to hear N.C. State fans whine about lack of respect
when they themselves allow a guy like Sheridan to come in and make them
a clone of Furman.  Look at the uniforms, fer gosh sakes!  He put "NCSU"
in a diamond on the helmets and completely redid everything else in
his (Furman's) image.  No school with any self-respect would allow that
to happen, but here we didn't hear a peep.  Sheridan even thinks he can
play Furman-style offense, with wimpy position-blocking and take-what-
they-give-us play-calling.  No fire-off-the-ball dominance at the line
of scrimmage.  Every team needs an identity - character - and State lacks
it, pure and simple.  Clemson, by contrast, knows in that last 5 minutes 
they can draw on their patented 15-play running drive to bring the win
home.  State, however, would be throwing up prayers, hoping to connect
with a miracle. 

I'm sorry if i seem too harsh, but I lived in Raleigh for 6 years and heard
a lot of talk from State fans who evidently don't have a clue about how
football should be played.  There's grumbling if there are 2 running plays in
a row, becasue these idiots want to see basketball on the football field.  News
flash: you win by running and controlling the line of scrimmage and physical
intimidation on defense.  State, you're not nearly there yet, and you won't be
until you wake up and see the gap in your own conference.  The sad part is
the poor loser's lament that we "have a chance".  You could use a GREAT coach
like Danny Ford - losing him was Clemson's #1 screw-up in the last 20 years.


tony rogers
From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:58:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.071407.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>,
David Swanger writes:

}In article <1992Aug27.151107.29917@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, lein@base.ctt.bell}core.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
}> 
}> and don't forget the bad call by the ref's giving A&M an interception on a 
}> play that had both pass interference and an interception after the
}> ball clearly bounced off the ground.  It certainly broke A&M's string   
}> of starting with poor field position in the 2nd half.
}> 
}> John L
}
}I didn't see the game, it wasn't carried in my area (grrr).  I did see a
}replay of the above-mentioned play on ESPN.  I realize that I saw the play
}out of context of the game, but I wonder:
}
}- If this play had been called correctly, would Stanford have won?
}
}Just curious,

Yeah, would anyone care to speculate on the effect of this call?

(Insert oversized smiley here.)

-Mike Noonan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Kickoff classic Iowa-NCSU
Reply-To: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:28:32 GMT

In article <3134.382.uupcb@brent.uucp>, al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo)  writes:
>     
>
>NC State returns a stingy defense, and has experience at the QB position,
>but must answer questions in the offensive line where only one starter
>is back.
>
>Iowa has a lot of talent but Jim Hartlieb will be making only his
>third start, and the Hawkeyes may be looking ahead to Miami.
>(In Iowa September 5th)
>
>
>Prediction: The Big 10 hasn't had a great out of conference record and
>NC state always seems to play everyone tough. NCSU 21-20.
>---
> . DeLuxe. 1.21 #11688 . al.sorhaindo@execnet.com
>                                

I feel guilty nit-picking like this, especially since you are one of the
few that gives us a chance. But I shall.The Pack returns 3 OL from last
starters. Scott Woods T, Tood Ward C, and a late suprise Guard Mike Gee
who had been declared medically unable to perform. The media guide list
him as a lost starter, but a minor miracle has him back and better than
ever. Robbie Caldwell was able to redshirt all of last yers recruiting
class and he was pleased with there scout season, two of these guys will
start.
RC
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: LSU vs. The Hurricane
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:34:28 GMT

Hey, do any of you guys down in Baton Rouge have computers?
(Computers with access to electricity, I mean...)

Anyway, I heard a real short news blurb on the radio yesterday that
said LSU's football stadium received "some" damage from Andrew.
How bad is it?  Will it be ready for the A&M game?  What will happen
if it's not?  (I'd guess it would be moved to the Superdome, but we'd
be real happy to host you in College Station! :^))

Also, what impact did Andrew have on LSU's practice schedule, etc.?

Hope you guys came out OK -- I know what it's like...

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Rocket stuff
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:59:17 GMT

In article <9209012259.AA20135@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Sep1175203@z.eecs.umich.edu>,
   billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

   >In article <1992Sep1.191245.17378@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
   >
   >   Yea, you're right.  Michigan was pretty much the only team stupid enough
   >   to kick off to Rocket twice in the same game.  Even Miami was smart enough
   >   not to kick off to him after he ran one back for a TD.  Could it be that 
   >   Michigan is even dumber than Miami ... it boggles the mind.
   >
   >You don't think that the performance against Michigan might have had anything
   >to do with Miami's decision, do you Rob?  Dumb or not is a tricky issue to
   >settle.  One thing is clear, though: without the Rocket Notre Dame would
   >have been wiped that day.  

   Gee, that's saying alot.  Should we go back through every Notre Dame team,
   subtract their most important players from the team, and then say that 

   Your statement is analogous to saying, "If we had scored more points than
   you did, we would have won."

No, its not at all.  I was making a clearly inflamitory statement that is
likely to be particularly effective because it is true and attacking, while
still clearly pretty meaningless (for the reasons you pointed out).  Seems
like it was effective.  Robert tried to pull somebody's chain, so I pulled
his back.  Your going to find it a long season if you take every article here
at face value.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 30-Aug-92: CORRECTION
Originator: delarocq@c00082-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:48:50 GMT



  There needs to be a correction. The computer is on the blink....

Penn State above Florida State? Yeah right!!!!!

18   Clemson                   82.102   0-0-0   0.000  ( 18,  82.102)  +0
19   Virginia                  81.351   0-0-0   0.000  ( 20,  81.351)  +1
20   Georgia_Tech              80.978   0-0-0   0.000  ( 21,  80.978)  +1
21   NC_State                  80.839   1-0-0  79.013  ( 31,  77.881)  +10

 CHANGE IT TO:

 NC State..................May not be able to beat FSU, but will be at least #2.
 Clemson...................Purple and orange will NOT work in Carter-Finley.
 Georgia Tech..............Lewis won't fix GT's problems in 6 months.
 virginia..................No Blundin, starters galore missing, 5th place!


 THIS IS THE YEAR WE BEAT VIRGINIA! YOU CAN'T HIDE BEHIND BLUNDIN ANYMORE!!!
  
 YOU'RE RAGTAG band IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF WAHOO PRANKSTERS!!

 See you in Charlottesville! :)

 
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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From: rar84@cbnewse.cb.att.com (rick.a.rockershousen)
Subject: Re: The Schembechler Syndrome
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:03:34 GMT

From article <168568A24.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com>, by JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com:
> Psychologists have long known about the Schembechler Effect: that tendency
> to blame referees, weather, "the other team played a game already and
> everyone knows that a team improves the most between game 1 and 2 and we
> didn't get our schedule right and waah waah",turnovers, the timekeeper,
> Ismael (we'd beat them 10 out of 10 if they didn't have Ismael), and of
> course, "the only thing we ever cared about was the conference and getting
> to play in DRAMATIC MUSIC HERE The Granddaddy of Em All".  All of this

   What, pray-tell, is this in reference to?

   Who's making excuses?

   NEWS FLASH: Bo isn't coaching anymore

   NEWS FLASH: All teams (and their alumni) make excuses from 
               time to time, but most will also give credit to
               the winning team.

Rick Rockershousen

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why so many Va Tech woofers?
Keywords: coz hokies are better than hoos
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:26:31 GMT

Jay writes:

>that could bust through at any time (they recruits great _athletes_), but
>something (coaching? intangibles?) has been holding them back (thankfully
>for us Wahoo fans).

I'm not sure I totally agree.  They certainly don't get the blue-chip
players.  But Beamer has done a real good job of turning pro quality 
players out of his camp.  Now if he could only use such players to 
win some more games...

>Yes there is, until I see a power rating comparing the two for the last
>three years, complete with breakdowns of how many "Top 25" caliber teams
>each played, and how many "dogs" each whipped.

I disagree - but perhaps Marsee, Gupta, or Schmidt will indulge us.

>Also, how did each do in that span vs. common opponents?

1990
we lost to Maryland - you lost to Maryland
we lost by 3 to ga tech - you lost by 3 to ga tech
we beat NC State - we beat NC State
we also played FSU, which was better than your top opponent of Clemson
we played 6 bowl teams that year.

1991
we lost to NC State - you beat NC State
we lost to Oklahoma (reg season) - you lost to Oklahoma (bowl game)
we also played FSU again

> C'mon, Mike, you have to admit that
>Tech often plays to the level of their opponent, 

agreed.

>>go terps!

>Aw, no fair! I don't even know who to woof for against Tech! Who do they play?

We warm up against the James Madison Dukes.

Michael Nelson

Go Hokies!  Go Terps!  ;-)
From: kearns@buphy.bu.edu (Ed Kearns)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: college football pool info (wanted)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:35:45 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <92238.183615C31801AG@wuvmd.wustl.edu> C31801AG@WUVMD (Bapi Gupta) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Aug25.213744.11728@tamsun.tamu.edu>, matthew@zoot.tamu.edu
>>(Matthew Almand) says:
>>
>>I remember the college football pool from last season...
>>Has anyone seen any info about it? I'm interested in participating
>>in it. Thanks for the info...
>>
>
>I haven't heard from Chris Stassen for a long time either...
[munch]
>
>We'll see if Chris shows up for a few more days, I don't want
>step on his toes if he's still around :-)
>
>Bapi

Hi,

Well, there was a posting from Chris a few days back announcing the
pool. Check back in your old articles to see if you overlooked
it. The subject was:

"CFPOOL: Introduction to 7th Annual Net College Football Pool"

I too am looking forward to it; it was well run and a lot of fun.

BTW, how about "FBPOOL"? This is a different pool that included
Pro with College where you picked against the spread and could
weight picks arbitrarily. Anyone know if this will be run again?


Ed
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kcastro@us.oracle.com
Subject: PAC-10 schedule wanted
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:04:17 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Could someone please email me the Pac-10 schedule?  I'd be much obliged...
I know it's been posted 8 gazillion times, but I, of course, never saved
it!

Thanks,
Kathy

kcastro@us.oracle.com
From: sgs@eos.ncsu.edu (Steven G. Skaggs)
Subject: Request: ECU's schedule for this year
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:39:41 GMT

Hi all,

I'm looking for East Carolina's football schedule for 1992.  Post or e-mail
to sgs@ecemw7.ncsu.edu.

Thanks in advance,

Steve Skaggs
sgs@ecemw7.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: BIG EAST, Weekly Preview for 9-5-92
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:33:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.135338.13676@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.big.mouth.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
> 
> 
> Pittsburgh, Temple, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia
> all host Division 1-AA teams.  What can you say?

OOOOOOPS.  Is what we could say.  Thanks to Michael Nelson
for pointing out that WVU plays Miami (Ohio), which is
not a Div 1-AA team.

I guess I should get my facts straight before shooting off my
big mouth.  So, here goes.  First, wipe the egg of my face
and jump in.

Miami (Ohio) at West Virginia
------------------------------
Yeah, they are Div 1-A, but this Miami is the wrong one to
give West Virginia too much trouble.  Miami's defense is their
strong suit and Coach Don Nehlen of WVU hasn't named half
of his starting offensive unit.  However, WVU's defense is formidable
and they should be able to shut down Miami's offense.  Look for
WVU's RB Adrian Murrell to have a big day, regardless of who
Nehlen names as the QB.  WVU has some studs on their offensive line.
PREDICTION: West Virginia 17, Miami (Ohio) 3


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:30:52 GMT

rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

>Actually, I think the play you are referring to had a question of whether ND
>recovered a Miami fumble, or if ND took over on 4th down.  Either way,
>Miami turned the ball over (either on a fumble or on downs) and ND
>took over the ball ... and the rest is history.

>			- Rob

Actually, the Ref's ruled that the ground caused the fumble, which means
Miami had the ball.  The Ref's did rule that Miami didn't make a first
down.  It was the TV people that said it was a fumble, since the replay
showed Miami made a first down by a yard.  True, it's history and bad
calls are a part of the game.  But, it's hard to accept.  

Jason
From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Some Big 8 Predictions, Notes
Keywords: big 8
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:19:28 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

OK, Now that I'm back in Boulder and away from the thriving media 
pirhana bowls of Tulsa (Our motto: Support Tulsa, love OSU, lust for OU)
and OKC (Motto:OU #1! OU #1! There's a UNIVERSITY in Tulsa?????) 
I can finally safely, reasonably sanely make my predictions for this 
year's title hunt in the Big 8. 

8. Iowa State. But not for lack of trying. Probably will finish 2-5/2-4-1
and just out of 7th, inhabited by
5. (TIE) Oklahoma State, Missouri, Kansas. Kansas, I think, will be a big 
surprise in that they won't win the conference like every press writer in 
the Midwest says they will. Oklahoma St. looks a lot better than last yr.
(though anything is better that 0-10-1); Mizzou has Phil Johnson and an
improving set of lines, and would be right there in the hunt if they 
had a lil depth.
4. Nebraska. And the only reason they won't be in first is a certain 
game on Thanksgiving. They will have a New Years Eve bowl: Copper maybe. 
Or else they'll play on New Years in an early day game.

And now:
1. Colorado, Kansas State, Oklahoma. A big three way tie for first.
And a nasty one, too: I think Oklahoma will be flirting with an undefeated
season until they face K-State in Norman and the 'Cats score the "Upset O'
the Decade". Colorado will lose to Oklahoma (in Boulder, no less!) but beat
K-State. In effect, the three teams will finish with 6-1 records. Due to 
the mess, the poll will crown the champs, and OU (of course - do you think 
the #@$%?! Eastern press will EVER forget the CU-MU game?) will get the 
Orange Bowl nod, K-State the Aloha Bowl, and CU will land a New Year's bowl
with some importtance to the Nat'l Championship (i.e. Cotton, Citrus)

That's all for now. May Cale Gundy burn his hands throwing that flaming 
football on the cover of the season ticket application for OU.

-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
"Look! An X-man movie's coming out!"          |Currently at:
c.10 year old in a Tulsa movie theater,       |Box 1143
looking at a poster for _Malcolm X_           |Boulder, CO 80306
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Rocket stuff
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep1.152200.28456@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Sep1.191245.17378@news.nd.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.191245.17378@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@okeefe.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

   Yea, you're right.  Michigan was pretty much the only team stupid enough
   to kick off to Rocket twice in the same game.  Even Miami was smart enough
   not to kick off to him after he ran one back for a TD.  Could it be that 
   Michigan is even dumber than Miami ... it boggles the mind.

You don't think that the performance against Michigan might have had anything
to do with Miami's decision, do you Rob?  Dumb or not is a tricky issue to
settle.  One thing is clear, though: without the Rocket Notre Dame would
have been wiped that day.  

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:27:17 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep3.135226.15911@news.nd.edu>
rszczerb@chekov.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>I'm just curious ... are you practicing your excuses for when
>ND beats Michigan in two weeks.  I have faith in you Bill, I'm
>sure you'll come up with something really remarkable to place
>the blame on.  I'm looking forward to reading it.

Okay, I suggest we start a Schembechler pool, named after the
famous Woody Hayes impersonator from Michigan who never saw an
excuse he didn't like.

Here is my prognostication for Bill Mangione-Smith's excuse when
Notre Dame beats Michigan this year:
 "Well, if'n they'd just had DuBose, we would have beaten them.
  That backup guy came off the bench and had something to prove.
  Isn't that a violation of some sort?  I mean we are 14-9 against
  them.  And what about religion?  That isn't fair.  And they were
  at home, which is patently unfair."
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The vote of Ivan Maisel of the Dallas Morning News
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:09:39 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) wrote:
}
}While he's certainly entitled to his opinions, as are all AP voters, we
}have questioned his consistency... Example, in his pre-season vote, he
}voted A&M at #7.  A&M *won* their game (agreed, not a real impressive 
}showing), but now he votes them in at #11...  Dropping them one spot, 
}maybe, but 4?

I see nothing wrong with this either.  The guy voted Texas A&M #11 and
Stanford #14.  Considering that the game could have gone either way
pretty easily and that A&M won by only 3 points, this seems pretty
reasonable to me as well.  I had A&M pretty high in my first Gupta
poll ballot, but I may well drop them 4 or 5 places after the miserable
showing by the offense.

I'm only looking at this one ballot and the one data point of dropping
A&M 4 places, so for all I know this guy *is* a flake.  (Plenty of the
AP voters are.)  I just don't see anything wrong with the little bit of 
data you guys have displayed.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:19:23 GMT
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In article <1992Sep4.151821.11446@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) says:
>By the way, just to set the record straight, I shall REPEAT my 1992 Big-8
>prediction. Just to keep the masses silent.  ;^)
>
>        1. Oklahoma,  Colorado  (Flip a coin)
>        3. Nebraska
>
>        Provided that: 1. OU and CU sucessfully convert to the "passing game"
>                       2. NU Coach Osborne stays suck in the 70s
>
>        IF OU and CU struggle with their offensive game conversions AND
>        Coach Osborne opens the offense up...
>
>        1. Nebraska
>        2. Oklahoma,  Colorado  (Flip a coin)
>        3. Colorado,  Oklahoma  (Flip a coin)
>

     Wow, you're really going out on a limb with your Big Three predictions.
Let's see, you've taken the only three schools from that conference that
acutally play Division I football and basically said that you're pretty sure
that a nuclear war won't obliterate the country next year.  C'mon, man,
pretend you're in Vegas and are putting down $1000 on the finish.  None of
this "Here's my prediction: flip a coin, I can't decide" or "Team X will
finish first unless they suck, then they won't" bullshit.  Who do you pick?

Brett