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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: "cheap" mexican restaurants (was Re: Good burritos (was Re: Three 
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:04:57 GMT

>
>What is the problem with mexican restraunts "out here" when it comes
>to chips and salsa?  I've had to *pay* for chips and salsa at about
>half the places I've tried.
>
>As an example, El Paso Cafe tries to be tex-mex.  It fails on several
>counts:
> - no service.  Only bars have no service.
> - chips/salsa cost money
> - iced tea comes in what would be juice glasses in texas
> - too much avocado in everything :-)
>
While I've never been to El Paso Cafe - I've never had to pay extra for
chips and salsa around here - in fact most places bring you refills
on the chips and salsa w/o having to ask

>While I'm on this little rant, I also don't understand what the
>problem is with iced tea "out here".  Iced tea should only be served
>in 32oz plastic tumblers which are only about half full of ice.  One
>should not have to ask for more tea until at least halfway through a
>meal...
>
again, most places here keep refilling my ice tea glass(es) - to the
point that I have to stop them when I get full

my favorite Mexican restaurant is Zuniga's - its at the Watsonville
airport and I have yet to find a place that can beat them for good
basic Mexican food - if you want fancier food, where you can get
the more upscale fish, etc dishes and black beans, I've recently
discovered Las Palapas (sp?) in Seascape - the best burritos to be
had, for the cheapest price is Hectors Panderia(sp?) on Airport
Blvd in Watsonville (all the local CHP, etc stop in there for
buttitos) - further into town (Watsonville) is Jalisco - nice
atmosphere, pretty good Mexican food (they make the guacamole
tableside), on your way back out of Watsonville on Main (Hwy 152) 
is Cilantros (has affiliates in Santa Cruz) which has good Mexican
food too, and across the street is a little fast food place
Tuson Taqueria (they charge for the chips) but they have all the 
salsa and pickled carrots/peppers/onions you can handle - oh, I almost
forgot, in Freedom (next door to Watsonville) is Rosa's Roticeria -
she has roasted chicken and other things with a table of salsa's
that range from  sweet to so hot she has a scull & crossbones on the
dish.....


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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Wine bars/tasting sessions
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:17:03 GMT

Sharen A. Rund writes:

	Beltramo's (Mountain View area)


No, no. Beltramo's is on El Camino Real between Menlo Park and Redwood City
on the Bay side. I'd like to say Atherton, but I doubt whether that regal
city allows commercial zoning of any kind. One of the better selections of 
the better Bordeaux and Burgundies. They are a retail outlet, not a bar, but 
they have well organized wime tastings. They also have a great selection of 
imported beers.

							Fido
From: tedh@cylink.COM (Ted Hadley)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Another We Be Sushi Review
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:11:52 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Cylink Corp.

In article <wallich.714769446@pepper> wallich@iti.org (Kenneth Wallich) writes:
>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>>Don't forget Seto, which I put way above Motomachi but slightly
>>below Ikenohana. (I love Motomachi for lunch; it's close and yummy).
>
>Oh yeah, I fogot :-), and I'd also agree.  Seto's is better than
>Motomachi (except their soft shell crab roll, which I absolutely

I haven't been to Motomachi (YET), but I an NOT returning to SETO in this
lifetime -- Seto get's my "Terrible Service of the Decade" award. If the
food were free AND I didn't have to eat in their restaurant, I would only
then consider them again. Why? Here goes:

1. We enter, followed by a (Japanese?) couple. The hostess pushes us aside
to let the Japanese couple enter and be seated _immediately_. Perhaps they
had reservations, but the actions of the hostess were unexcuseable, IMHO.

2. When asked what we wanted to drink, we reply "Tea and Water." The tea
never arrived. The water arrived shortly, but was never refilled.

3. After ordering dinners with sushi and appetizer, the waitress disappeared.
The next time we saw her, she was collecting money. The food was brought by
various servers from the back of the restaurant.

4. The appetizer plate arrived last.

5. The miso soup was only lukewarm.

6. The sushi never arrived.

7. They allowed smokers to exude fumes in the non-smoking section despite my
protests.

8. The bill was calculated incorrectly. I pointed out the errors (plus the
food which never arrived) and they admitted error.

9. I paid cash with a $0.01 tip and told them why. We will not return. Enough
said.
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Dahlak is closing
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 19:57:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

An era is coming to an end. Dahlak's proprietress is returning home, now
that the independence has been one.

The restaurant will close in a month or so. (sniff)
 
She has indicated that a cookbook will be forthcoming; there's a mailing
list to get on.
 
Here's to hoping that they have a terrific last month in business, and
thanks for opening a lot of us up to a new cuisine.
 
Greg
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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: West/Central African Restaurants
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:56:42 GMT


>In article <1992Aug31.182754.9019@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>>
>>	Well, I know of a place that advertises itself as a West African 
>>restaurant in San Francisco.  It's a block or two south of Haight Street,
>>near the Haight-Ashbury district, but I can't remember it's name.  I've
>>been wanting to go there but the person I usually go to the city with is
>>a real food wimp  and she seems a bit afraid of it.  *sigh*  I seem to
>>remember it having a lot of veggie dishes, and being fairly inexpensive.
>>
>>	Does anyone know the name of this restaurant?  More importantly,
>>does anyone know if it's any good?
>>


	Whoops!  I went looking for the place last night--  and it looks like
it's closed down, and become a coffeehouse.  Oh well.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Passage to India and Empress of India
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:01:30 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Aug27.183457.1854@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>
>The times I've been there, the chicken curry has typically not been
>tikka masala.  But if it's true that chicken tikka masala traditionally
>made from leftover tandoori, why does the proprietess deny it?

Perhaps we have a semantic argument here.  The fact that it is 'traditionally'
made from 'leftover' tandoori has no bearing on what a particular establishment
makes.  Perhaps Passage just makes a large amount of tandoori chicken and
uses some of it in tikki masala.  Looked at it in this way, cooking the
chicken in the tandoor is just the first step in the process of cooking the
dish.  I doubt you would claim that Chinese cooks are using leftover chicken
because they velvet it first.

I know nothing about how they cook their food except what has been written
here, but just wanted to point out the claims are not imcompatible.

On another note, Curtis Jackson posted a review of his experience saying
5 of 6 people he ate with there gave a thumbs down.  I was number 6.  I liked
it.  No, not the best Indian food I have ever had, but the samosa's and
pakoras were very good.  They tend to spice more heavily than most I have
been to, but I don't count this as a minus.  Curtis disliked the soup in
particular.  I didn't try it, so I cannot comment.  It didn't look overly
tasty, though.  The rice could be better, as well.  The hot dishes were
all tasty.  I DID like the tikki masala but then I am rather partial to this
dish.  Yes, it was certainly cooked in a tandoor first, but I don't think I
have ever had it prepared any other way (as other posters have said). My major
complaint with it was that they were slow to restock the buffet table -- and
it was not that busy. 

My feeling is that if you want gourmet experience, don't expect to get it for
$4.99 at a buffet.  This does not mean the food is bad, though.

Curtis and I plan to try out Empress in the near future.  Is she still serving
a lunch buffet, and if so does anybody know what times she serves it?  I was
there about six months ago and thought it was quite good, though with a very
limited selection.

	Geoff Sherwood
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From: dec@netcom.com (Dennis Chapman)
Subject: Re: Why do people like spicy-hot food?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:00:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <71637@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>
>The original Hunan was damaged in the '89 earthquake, but a new restaurant
>run by the same family, Hunan #2, exists a few blocks away. It is enormous 
>compared to the original Hunan and spoiled by too much neon, but most of 
>the food is still excellent, especially the barbecued pork with string 
>beans (with which you still need to drink Coke). If you get a seat at the
>counter, you can watch the cooks vigorously stir-frying (just like at the 
>original Hunan).
>


  Is the Hunan Taste restaurant on 4th St in San Jose related to the original
Hunan?  Back in the early 80's I purchased a cookbook at the Hunan, which had
been written by the owner.  I've recently seen this same cookbook for sale
at Hunan Taste.  Hunan Taste also prepares the excellent spicy squid dish
that I used to eat at the original Hunan.
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From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: ba.food,ba.general
Subject: small caterer in peninsula region of Bay Area?
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:37:24 GMT
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Note:  I am reposting this for bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com.  Please
reply to her, not me.


In a recent missive bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) tells us:
*
*This is a long shot, but...does anyone know of a small caterer in
*the San Mateo-San Carlos-Redwood City area of CA that would prepare
*and deliver a dinner for 2 to a home?  I'm thinking of a long-distance
*birthday present for a couple held prisoner by their new baby (I can't
*arrange a babysitter long distance!).  I'm thinking $75 max, so it
*would probably have to be a small outfit.
*
*Thanks for any help.
*Laurie B.


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From: dan@BofA.com (Dan Brockman)
Subject: Re: Looking for a *quality* grocery store
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:40:03 GMT

In article <17dr4rINNqjb@agate.berkeley.edu> jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (John Wilbrand Dahlgren) writes:
>Andronicos? What about Berkeley bowl (shattuck @ M.L.King) which generally
>has much better produce, and a greater variety. Or Monterey Market (Monterey @

An old friend called me up yesterday (Aug 25 92) said she
went shopping at Berkeley Bowl that afternoon, and as she
was writing her check for the cashier, she saw a swinging
breast from the corner of her eye.  Right in line behind
her were two white females 20-30 wearing nothing but 
genuine Beserkeley tie-dyed tights while grocery shopping.
She said these were not your usual Parisienne runway models,
but rather Beserkeley hippy types.  Be the first one on 
your block to shop topless.  You can find everything at 
Berkeley Bowl.

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From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Good burritos (was Re: Three great meals under $5)
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:34:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

mwoo@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Margaret Woo) writes:

>Addition:  Rosita's Taqueria on 5th Avenue in Redwood City (1.5 blocks
>east of El Camino).  Their special steak burrito is fantastic!

You have missed the best Burrito place in the Bay Area!  It is in
Mountain View at N. Rengstorff and Old Middlefield Rd.  On the South
East corner of that intersection.  Called La Costenia or something like 
that.  Strange little place in the back of a Mexican store and it is
take-out only, but their super burritos are the best and biggest burritos
anywhere and they can easily feed 4.  They have smaller ones too.

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From: chew@macross.csd.sgi.com (Stephen Chew)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Union Sq area suggestions?
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:30:46 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug28.124541.3278@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, topaz@jareth.enet.dec.com (Don Topaz) writes:
|> Looking for suggestions for lunch, dinner, and coffee places within
|> 4-6 blocks of Union Sq., especially for places that are casual with
|> 1st-rate food.  
|> 
I've been to a few Union Square places and here are mini-reviews:

Lunch:
(Lets start with the Dept store places b/c I love to shop and eat)

Macy's West sandwich shop - I haven't been here in a while but I used to
   love their frnech onion soup.  Other sandwich stuff is ok.

Macy's Plum - I feel this is first rate food.  It's a full restaurant and
   the two times I've eaten there, it's been great.  I usually eat there 
   when I'm short on cash because I can charge the meal on the Macy's card!

Nordstroms Pub - The make the best chicken wings and have an excellent
   sausage plate.  You also have to try their Nordstoms Honey mustard. (yumm!)
   This place is a little expensive for what you get.  (note** I didn't like
   any of the other Nordstroms eateries.)

Narsai's in I. Magnin - I've never eaten here but the name sounds good. :-)

For the non-store places (Lunch and Dinner),
<something>-jima - There are two.  I went to the one on sutter near stockton.
   This is a Japanese Ramen place.  If you've never had real japanese ramen,
   this is a good place to try.  It's not the best but very good.

Corona Bar and Grill - casual and great jalepeno corn bread.  The food was 
   ok but not your run of the mill Mexican so worth the experience.

Las Caux - a little dressier and very artsy.  I like this place alot.  Good
   Food at a good price.

Kuleto - Always busy.  Good food.  I have the most fun sitting in front of the
   open kitchen at their dinner bar and talking with the chefs.

Well, that's a sample.  there are alot of restaurants in the area.  Walk around
and enjoy.  That's how I found the ones above.  I'm looking forward to trying
new ones since I shop so often.  I heard there was a family italian restaurant
somewhere nearby that is new and excellent.  Anyone know the name?
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From: dubbs@unix.SRI.COM (Julie Dubbs)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Good burritos (was Re: Three great meals under $5)
Keywords: La Azteca, Tony's, Redwood City
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:29:34 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

La Azteca in Redwood City has very tastey, very cheap mexican food.
It's at 1531 Main close to Five Points (intersection of Woodside Rd.,
El Camino, and Main St.).  I used to love their carnitas but now
that I'm a vegetarian my favorite dish is the chile relleno dinner
for $4.95.

Speaking of chile rellenos, absolutely scrumptuous, hot, and filing
ones (actually two per plate) can be found at Tony's in Redwood City
on the east side of Middlefield Road south of Woodside Rd.  (Don't
know the cross street but it's a little farther south than the railroad
crossing)  The homemade tortillas they serve with the meal are the best
I've ever had anywhere.  Tony's has a wide assortment of items, mostly 
american food with a small submenu of mexican dishes.

Julie
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From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Vietnamese coffee
	<1992Sep2.225526.26587@adobe.com>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:20:49
Distribution: ba

"cjackson" == Curtis Jackson <cjackson@adobe.com> writes:

cjackson> Good, this will give me a source for Cafe du Monde coffee to
cjackson> adulterate with chicory without having to mail order from

Also, you might want to look for "French Market", which I find a bit
more flavorful than du Monde-in-a-can.

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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Passage to India and Empress of India
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:51:29 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <9208261903.AA06327@minos.nmt.edu> js@MINOS.NMT.EDU (John Shipman) writes:
}What makes you say this?  I was talking to the owner last week
}and she categorically denied this, claiming that everything was
}made fresh every day.  She had heard this claim and it aggravated
}her.  Is there some sensory defect in the chicken curry that
}makes you say this?

Six of us went to Passage to India yesterday, and five of us gave it
thumbs-down. Yes, the pakoras were very good -- when there were any
out on the buffet. Yes, the service was good -- we never lacked for
water and never even had to ask for it. Yes, the gulab jamun was tastier
than we had had it elsewhere -- not so sickly sweet.

But the mulligatawny soup was nearly gone, and what there was in the pot
was chickenless and the broth was *terrible*. To call the chicken tikka
masala "uninspired" is a great kindness. The rice was not basmati, and
it showed. Other dishes followed suit.

If you are severely into cheap *and* local to Mountain View, I recommend
Passage to India. If you feel you deserve a nice lunch and can spend an
extra five minutes each way on the road, go to Le Tandoor in the shopping
center at the corner of San Antonio and El Camino, across from Chef Chu's
and Armadillo Willy's. I have never had to wait even a moment for a table
at lunch, the buffet is very yummy, and the mango lassi is just
unauthentic enough that people like me who detest yogurt still find it
the perfect drink with the meal.
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From: petolino@joe.Eng.Sun.COM (Joe Petolino)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Passage to India and Empress of India
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:14:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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>>+--
>>| odds are today's curry chicken was last night's tandoori
>>+--

My understanding, from reading cookbooks, etc, is that Chicken Tikka
Masala (chicken pieces in tomato cream sauce, one of my favorite Indian
buffet items) is traditionally made from leftover tandoori chicken.  The
buffets I've eaten at all made it that way.  I'm not sure if this is the
'chicken curry' we're talking about here.

-Joe
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From: vonzelow@adobe.com (Jon von Zelowitz)
Subject: Shopping in the 90's (was Re: Looking for a *quality* grocery store)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:39:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.164003.1078@BofA.com> dan@BofA.com (Dan Brockman) writes:
>Be the first one on your block to shop topless.  

...and tripping!

;-)

   Jon von Zelowitz   vonzelow@adobe.com   ...sun!adobe!vonzelow
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: how do they age beef (was: Re: Birk's)
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:50:28 GMT

Roger H. Scott writes:

	A L L E N --LabA writes:

		Why age the beef?

		I believe there are also chemical processes that take 
		place that make the meat more tender (and no, I don't 
		mean rotting :-]).

Well, you may not mean it, but that is precisely what happens. A little
microbial decomposition makes for tenderness.

	Being aware that high-quality beef *is* aged, I've always found 
	claims of extremely fresh beef by pseudo-gourmet establishments 
	(and others) to be rather ludicrous.  I'd much rather hear about 
	their extremely fresh poultry or seafood, but those (which 
	*matter*) probably *aren't* so fresh.

Agreed, except that wild game also needs a little rotting to tenderize it.
This does not mean leaving it lying around, of course. it may even be that
the art of hanging game is jkust about lost. Does Mrs. Beeton's *Houseghold
management* have anything to say on the matter?

								Fido


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From: danp@tandem.com (Dan Phan)
Subject: Re: Vietnamese coffee
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:58:16 GMT

We Vietnamese refer to what you call as "Vietnamese coffee" as "cafe phin suu
da" (phin: filtered; suu: milk, da: ice).  I've also heard this being referred
as "french coffee."  Never having been to France myself, I can't vouch for its
authenticity.  However, if you are interested in making "Vietnamese coffee" at
home, you can buy the cup drip filter at any major Vietnamese grocery store
(ask for a "cafe phin" -- phin is pronounced as Finn).  I got one about
five years ago for something like $5.  While you are there, gather up the
other ingredients: a can of Cafe du Monde ground coffee and a can of Suu Ong
Tho condensed milk.
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