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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:28:22 CDT
Reply-To:     "(Peter Vafeades)" <peter@ENGR.TRINITY.EDU>
From:         "(Peter Vafeades)" <peter@ENGR.TRINITY.EDU>
Subject:      <E> Tetartns 30 Septembriou 1992
Comments: To: hellas@engr.Trinity.EDU

<E> Tetartns 30 Septembriou 1992

1).   H PRWTH SELIDA
2).   O KAIROS
3).   Astuvomikoi: <DEN EXOUME 3ANADEI TON SKUFTOULH>
4).   SUNTAGMATOLOGOI: <DIATRHTH H SULLHYH>

1).   H PRWTH SELIDA
O ta3itzns "eide" - oi astuvomikoi  oxi
T A R I F A    G I A   1 7 N
Suvtagmatologoi:  Diatrntn n sullnyn Skuftouln
Maggivas:  Upobon0a...
Asfaleia:  Tov parakolou0ousame meta tnv apopeira kata Palaiokrasa
Se 17 spitia akarpes ereuves

O ta3itzns B. Dnmopoulos: O movos pou "eide".  Oi astuvomikoi omws pou
ntav sta Sepolia leve oxi.

PWS MAS FESWSAN ME TON TEWS
Avtipoliteusn:  Sumfasn vtropns kai ektropns
Kubervnsn: Eutuxns gia ta 200 ek.

Oloi paizouv mpasket
KAI 2HMERO TAIM AOUT DIKHGORWN
Apartia gia suveleusn dev upnrxe.  Eftavav omws osoi ntav ekei gia va
givei agwvas mpasket.   Kai egive me... taim aout malista kai ektos
agwvos afou to DS apofasise vea dioikntikn apoxn.

Blaptei alla....
TO TSIGARO FARMAKO GIA THN KOLITIDA!

Kai dnlwsn-sfnva Ebert
MHTSOTAKHS - FLWRAKHS TA EIPAN.... KINEZIKA
Milnsav gia tnv Kiva, diafwvnsav gia ola ta eswterika.

2).  O KAIROS

Tews Ellnviko Dnmosio

3).  <DEN EXOUME 3ANADEI TON SKUFTOULH>
Katngornmatikoi oi duo astumomikoi pou eidav tous drastes sto makeleio
twv Sepoliwv

tou Makn Selamazidn
Oi astuvomikoi Kadas kai Stamatns pou eixav er0ei proswpo me proswpo me
tous drastes tns sumplokns sta Sepolia to Noembrio tou '91, e3etazovtai
kat' avtipara0esn me tov Epameivwvda Skuftouln kai eivai
katngornmatikoi.
<Dev tov exoume 3avadei!>
O ta3itzns omws B. Dnmopoulos, xwris va e3etas0ei kat' avtipara0esn me
tov Skuftouln, blepovtas tov sto skotadi apo apostasn 2-3 metrwv,
arxizei va sxnmatizei sto mualo tou tnv eikova evos ek twv atomwv pou
suveplaknsav me tous astuvomikous sta Sepolia.
Kai argotera, sto 5o astuvomiko Tmnma, se mia suvavtnsn me tov
Skuftouln, opws o ta3itzns kata0etei, avagvwrizei sto proswpo tou eva po
ta atoma pou pnrav meros stn sumplokn.
...
Prongoumevws o eisaggeleas B. Derbevtzas stov opoio odngn0nke x0es to
apogeuma o katngoroumevos asknse poivikn diw3n gia e3i kakourgnmata kata
pavtos upeu0uvou (in rem) kata suvautourgia gia e3i kakourgnmata kai
tria plnmmelnmata:
Sugkekrimeva n diw3n eivai gia:
<> Parabiasn tou avtitromokratikou vomou 1916/90
<> Apopeira autoktoviwv kata surron
<> Ekrn3n apo tnv opoia prokln0nkav swmatikes blabes se proswpa
<> Promn0eia, katoxn, metafora ekrnktikwv bombwv me skopo va pro3evnsouv
koivo kivduvo se pragmata kai av0rwpous kai va tromokratnsouv tous
polites.
<> Apopeira diakekrimevns klopns
<> Lnsteia (kakourgnmata)
<> Avtistasn apo perissoterous, pou oploforousav
<> Paravomn oplokatoxn, oploforia kai oploxrnsia
<> Diakekrimeves f0ores 3evns idioktnsias (plnmmelnmata)
...
Oi suvngoroi tou Epam. Skuftouln N. Kwvstavtopoulos, Sp. Futrakns kai N.
Ntialtas melwvtas stous dnmosiografous sta0nkav idiaitera:
<> Stov katngornmatiko tropo me tov opoio oi astuvomikoi Kadas kai
Stamatns bebaiwvouv oti dev exouv 3avadei tov Skuftouln
<> Stnv avtifasn tns kata0esns pou ta3itzn B. Dnmopoulou to Noembrio tou
1991 me tnv prosfatn.
...
Na ti leei stnv prosfatn kata0esn tou o ta3itzns B. Dnmopoulos, opws tnv
periegrayav stous dnmosiografous oi suvngoroi uperaspisns tou Skuftouln:
<Suvn0iza meta ta mesavuxta va suxvazw me suvadelfous se galatadiko tns
Ippokratous.
Etsi kai ekeivo ta bradu, bre0nka ekei. Kapoia stigmn bhnka e3w va  piw
mia soda kai se apostasn 40 metrwv givotav kapoio epeisodio.
Eida tous astuvomikous va piavouv duo atoma.  Otav eida tous
sullnf0evtes se apostasn 2-3 metrwv, ekeivn tnv stigmn arxise va erxetai
sto mualo mou oti to eva proswpo kati mou 0umizei.
Efuga, pnga kaveva duo-treis kourses.  Skeftomouv ti mou 0umizei to eva
proswpo, to xrwma tou kai to moustaki tou.  Sto mualo mou erxotav n
sumplokn twv Sepoliwv.  Gurisa pisw, eida duo astumomikous me politika
va frourouv to autokivnto.
Eipa stov evav oti to proswpo pou suvelnf0n mou 0umize tn sumplokn sta
Sepolia.  Pw, pw fwtia pou mou 'bales mou apavtnse o astumomikos kai me
kalese va pame sto E' astuvomiko tmnma.
Ekei oi astuvomikoi sknvo0etnsav mia suvavtnsn mou me tov Skuftouln.  Me
parousiasav sav patera tou astuvomikou.
Kata tn diarkeia tns suzntnsns, zwvtaveue olo kai perissotero stn mvnmn
mou n sknvn twv Sepoliwv.  Sto telos, nmouv 100% sigouros oti tov
avagvwrisa.
Tnv alln mera, pnga va kata0esw stnv Asfaleia.  Blepw stov toixo ta
skitsa twv drastwv tns bombistikns epi0esns sto 0nseio.  Tote,
bebaiw0nka xilia tois ekato oti ntav o Skuftoulns.>
...

4).   SUNTAGMATOLOGOI:  DIATRHTH H SULLHYH
Oi eidikoi smfwvouv oti n diadikasia sullnyns tou Skuftouln avoi3e
epikivduvous dromous
Avt. Mavitakns:  Eftasav to geloio
G. A. Magkakns:  Perifrovnsav to Suvtagma
G.Papadnmntriou: Aparadektn avtimetwpisn
A. Roupakiwtns:  Amfisbntnsav ta dikaiwmata

Twv:  Giavvas Papadakou, Ntivas Bageva, Bavas Fwtopoulou
Me basikn aduvamia tnv elleiyn evtalmatos sullnyns kata tou
koivwviologou Skuftouln stnv prox0esivn kivnmatografikn efodo
astuvomikwv sto spiti tou, suvtagmatologoi, poivikologoi kai alloi
egkritoi vomikoi xaraktnrizouv suvtagmatika diatrntn kai epikivduvn gia
tis eleue0eries twv politwv tn diadikasia sullnyns tou Skuftouln.
...
I. Mavwledakns (ka0ngntns tou Poivikou Dikaiou).
<Otav suvelabav tn duetern fora spiti tou tov koivwviologo Skuftouln n'
0a eprepe va uparxei evtalma sullnyns n' 0a eprepe va eixe telestei
autofwro egklnma.  Av upnrxe allo egklnm, ektos apo apopeira klopns
autokivntou, gia tnv opoia katngorn0nke arxika, 0a eprepe va eixe
ekdo0ei evtalma sullnyns.  Av pali o Skuftoulns suvelnf0n gia pra3n tou
vomou 1916 (avtitromokratikou) 0a eprepe gia va 0ewreitai autofwro kai
va mnv apaiteitai evtalma sullnyns va exei teles0ei n pra3n autn tis
pevte teleutaies meres.
Av suvepws n sullnyn, egive, xwris prongoumevn kivnsn poivikns diw3ns,
xwris evtalma kai xwris upar3n autofwrou egklnmatos, tote prokeitai ga
avtisuvtagmatikn evergiea, pou apotelei e3airetika epikivduvn praktikn
gia tis eleu0eries twv politwv>.

Avt. Mavitakns (suvtagmatologos)
<Dev eivai aplws avnkousa kai perierga ta osa suvebnsav x0es mprosta
stis kameres tns tnleorasns me aformn tn sullnyn kai tn biain prosagwgn
stnv Asfaleia Attikns proswpou katngoroumevou gia tromokratikn evergeia.
Ta gegovota auta parallnla kai ta oria tou geloio{.  Mia apw0ntikn
0eatrikn parastasn pros teryiv twv tromolagvwv tnle0eatwv se baros tns
timns kai upolnyns evos proswpou, kai me drastes tis diwktikes arxes kai
ta mesa mazikns evnmerwsns.
Dev eivai movov oi kraugalees parabiaseis tou Suvtagmatos kai twv
stoixeiwdwv suvtagmatikwv dikaiwmatwv tou atomou ou evoxlouv.  Eivai kai
autn n bavausn prosboln tns proswpikotntas kai tns a3ioprepeias tou
atomou pou e3egeirei tis suveidnseis.....  Proswpika, aduvatw va
favtastw oti oi eisaggelikes arxes evnrgnsav agvowvtas n'
paragvwrizovtas 0emeliwdeis suvtagmatikes eggunseis tns proswpikns
asfaleias tou proswpou, opws:
a)  Oti sullnyn dev dievergeitai xwris prongoumevo dikastiko evtalma pou
va avaferei to adiknma kai tnv tautotnta tou sullambavomevou kai va
epididetai stov idio.
b)  Oti n sullnyn pro.u.po0etei tnv asknsn poivikns diw3ews kai
dievergeia avakrisews.
g)  Oti asknsn poivikns diw3ews kata agvwstwv eivai bebaia vontn, ka0ws
kai biain prosagwgn sto Tmnma upoptwv pros e3etasn tous apo avakritikes
arxes, n kratnsn tous omws sto Tmnma perav tou avagkaiou gia tnv
kata0esn tous xrovou pro.u.po0etei sullnyn ara evtalma
d)  Dev xreiazetai evtalma sta autofwra egklnmatan n diarkeia tous omws
dev mporei va uperbaivei kata to ar0ro 10 tou vomou 1916/1990 tis
tesseris meres apo tnv diapra3n tou egklnmatos.
...>

Gewr. Ale3. Magkakns (ka0ngntns Poivikou Dikaiou sto Pavepistnmio A0nvwv
kai bouleutns (PASOK)):
<Prokeitai gia akraia periptwsn perifrovnsns tou suvtagmatikou 0esmou
pou prostateuei tnv proswpikn mas eleu0eria.  Oloi oi Ellnves 0elouv tnv
apotelesmatikn avtimetwpisn tns tromokratias, auto omws dev mporei va
givetai me tnv podopatnsn twv atomikwv eleu0eriwv.  Stn sugkekrimevn
periptwsn egive proklntikn perifrovnsn tous.
,,,<

G. Papadnmntriou (suvtagmatologos), se dnlwseis tou sto radiofwviko
sta0mo <Flas>:
<... Eva ekdnlo faivomevo aparadektns avtimetwpisns tns tromokratias to
znsame x0es.  Kai, kuriws, znsame mia swreutikn parabiasn eggunsewv tou
Suvtagmatos pou suvufaivetame tnv arxn tou kratous dikaiou kai tnv arxn
tns asfaleias tou politn.
...
O polugrafotatos armodios avtieisaggeles tou Areiou Pagou (Tsebas) 0a
eprepe vomizw va frovtizei va suvtassei graptws ta evtalmata kai oxi va
suvtassei ekeiva ta opoia prokalouv avtidraseis dikaiolognmeves se
eurutates perioxes tns dnmosias kai tns koivns gvwmns>.

Avtwvns Roupakiwtns (vomikos, melos tou DS tou Dikngorikou Sullogou
A0nvwv):
<Oi dikovomikes parabiaseis stnv periptwsn tou Epameivwvda Skuftouln
eivai dedomeves.  Av laboume upoyn mas oti n ousia tns dnmokratias
krivetai se diata3eis diadikastikes n' dikovomikes, snmaivei oti me tnv
parabasn dikovomikwv diatw3ewv amfisbntouvtai ta dikaiwmata tou Ellnva
politn kai stn sugkekrimevn periptwsn tou Epameivwvda Skuftouln....>
....


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