HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:54:24 GMT
Reply-To: hedron::daveb
Organization: ASO IM operations


Mike Corbin writes:

>This is a nice testimonial, but the problem is that until others in the field 
>of psychology can review your tapes, charts and whatever else Mack did, no 
>one, including yourself, can make the determination that he followed 
>professional standards and ethics.  I am not saying that Dr. Mack did not, but
>I am saying that peer review is a necessary procedure in scientific 
>methodology.  Perhaps you would care to have a second opinion?
>
>BTW, how long ago was this?
>
>Mike

This was about 6 months ago. There is really nothing to review, nothing came
out of the session of any value (to me anyway). I've listened to them and I 
guarantee that there are no leading questions as I heard so many skeptics in 
here insist is "typical" of these types of sessions. AS to peer review I 
believe it's probably necessary, perhaps you should contact Mack and ask
what his intentions are in that respect if you're interested. He's dealt
with other potential abductees who have much more interesting stories to tell 
than me.

--
/dave

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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:03:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () writes:



>|>JOAN HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A CLONE FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW...I BELIEVE SHE
>|>MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION...PHONES ARE COMPLETELY TAPPED OUT...
>|>
>|>-- 
>|>Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN



>	Joan!  Is that the name of your left had or your right hand.
                                             ^^^
                                 Once again, keep your mind on what you do!!


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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: D-Notice
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:46:46 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <3483@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
(Peter Small) writes: 
>Does anyone have any information about D-Notice?  This is an informal
>agreement between the governments of the world that keeps certain
>artifacts, knowledge, etc out of the public eye.  It may have been
>used to coverup UFO crash sites and certain OOPARTS (out of place
>artifacts).

Peter - I think you mean 'ARM'.  References to it can be found
throughout Larry Niven's 'Known Space' novels.  These include the
_Ringworld_ series, and the collaborative _Man-Kzin Wars_ series
(which I'm currently reading).

	RA
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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:37:25 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:



>Errr... what are you talking about?  What is this Roswell Incident?  What
>did it have to do with Kennedy,

	It had nothing to do with Kennedy

  This isn't some bizarre-o paranoid UFO wank again is it?

	Yes

-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice   WB6BYH                   Holler Observatory - 
tomrice@netcom.com                     Longitude:  121 d  30 m  20 s W 
CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !!
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:07:04 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <92241.111251WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu> WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Hey!  Bush is sending the Army into Florida on the ruse of cleaning up after
>the hurricane.  Couldn't this be the start of Helter Skelter?  Let's not be
>hasty--August still has a couple of days to run.  The UN may still make it
>in time for the serious bloodshed (if they don't get pinned down in Bosnia).
>
>Bill Ellis FOAFtale News "Manson Was Right"



Get real.  How many million people live in Miami?  And how many troops?
One brigade.  (No, I'm not counting the cooks and the doctors.  They don't
have to qualify with their personal weapon...)

Besides, the problems there aren't race related.  You'll see nice pictures
on the news of cooperation between people, and you'll see tempers flare.

But this is only one city, not many major cities across the US...
and I don't see much chance that Bush can do it in four days.

No, dufuss that made the original claims will come out with an
announcement in a couple of days claiming that the coming upheavals
were 'postponed' for a month or so...  as he dodges tomatoes.

Rick


-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.  
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 18:17:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: aliens,invasion,stollman

john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:

>In article <9flnsvk.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
>> In another of the hospitalizations, this one in the Tallahassee
>> Psychiatric Hospital, I discovered something about the power of the forces
>> against us and it's nature.  I was coming out of the Day Room, [...]

>So, Gary, what's the story?  Are you testing fiction on us, trying to make
>us believe in something, or are these everyday things that happen to you?
>The only thing that your writing has meant to me so far, and I have read
>several dozen of your posts, is that a lot of really strange things happen
>to you that don't happen to me or any of my friends.  What's going on?

>-john-

>-- 
>==============================================================================
>John A. Weeks III		(612) 942-6969		    john@newave.mn.org
>Newave Communications, Ltd.			    ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john
*****
John,

	This is NOT fiction.  This is what has happened to me over the
last ten years.  I know that it doesn't click with someone who hasn't
experienced it firsthand.  It is not an everyday sort of thing, but during
periods when it seemed everything around me was involved in this
conspiracy, it was taking place everyday!  Hope that helps?

	Gary

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Newsgroups: alt.california,rec.travel
From: sampson@nosc.mil (Charles H. Sampson)
Subject: Re: california info wanted II
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:11:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.161836.1715@alcbase.gun.de> erik@alcbase.gun.de (Erik Forker) writes:

>But now: Every day we can hear about the great forest fires in the 
>Sierra Nevada. But two infos we miss: Where exactly are these 
>fires and what do we have to pay attention to when we travel 
>through the Sierra Nevada? Is it a problem to visit Yosemite NP?

     To answer your question directly, the fires you've been hearing about
are no threat to Yosemite, nor to most of the Sierra.  However, as others
have pointed out, this is the fire season and the situation could change
before you get here.  Don't worry about it.  It's a big state and there'll
always be something to see and do.  If nothing else, getting a peek at a
big forest fire (not very close, though) will give you something to talk
about.

				Charlie
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: Paradise lost and Medi-Cal...
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:39:28 GMT

In article <25929@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>>Then perhaps you're just too goddamned stupid to see that there's no practical
>>way to provide police and fire department services for one segment of a
>>population without providing them for most or all of the population.  In the
>
>Gee, it's pretty obvious to me how this is done.  Many institutions
>have "private" police forces & many localities don't cooperate across
>jurisdictional boundaries.

Yes, some institutions large enough to qualify as communities themselves have
private police forces.  You're still setting up police forces at the community,
not te individual level.

Smaller organizations often hire night watchmen.  Please note that I've never
heard of a police force that assigns an officer to every residence within its
jurisdiction.  It's just not economical to do so.

>Then there's the phenomenon of the rural
>fire district cooperative.  If you don't subscribe, & your place
>catches fire, it burns to the ground.  This may seem stupid, &
>maybe it is not common here in CA, but it exists elsewhere.

Works fine anyplace a fire on a subscribed property isn't likely to threaten
an unsubscribed property or vice versa.  Can you cite an example of a city
anywhere in the world that has a similar policy?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Don't Move to Tucson
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:17:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Whatever you say about Tucson goes double for Albuquerque.
Don't even think about moving here! It's far too hot/cold/
boring/crimeridden/crowded/underpopulated/poor for Californians
to be happy.

But I think the previous poster was far too unkind about
Tucson. In fact, if the idea occurs to you that Albuquerque
might be an OK place to relocate, I would think instead
about Tucson.

Even George Straight knows that there is a coast in Arizona.

Brian
From: pld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Paul Dineen)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 01:01:33 GMT
Subject: Re: OOPS!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.california

> Nope!  SORRY!!  I was born in Elizabeth, New Jersey, and boy, am I glad. 
> I'm PROUD AS PUNCH to have NOT been born in a LOSER state like
> CaliFARTnia!!  Where the assholes are just mindless cowards!!  I won't
> even comment about the sluts who think they're "ladies"...I sure am glad
> the Mexicans are taking over the whole state!!  And the RIOTS, and all the
> EARTHQUAKES!!  HAHAHAHA!!  This year alone has paid me back for years of
> suffering from you BASTARDS!!!  I hope your whole economy goes down the
> toilet, along with your loser teams!!  By the way, the New York Giants
> really kicked the 49ers asses in, didn't they??  And the Yankees beat the
> Dodgers TWO YEARS IN A ROW in 1977 and 1978!!  What more proof do you NEED
> that you all suck the big one!!??  Have fun when all your money runs out
> and you get shot by the Blacks, and your buildings all fall down!!!
> 
> 
> GARY STOLLMAN
> (waiting, hoping, and praying for the BIG ONE)

  Ok, let's guess Gary's age.
  Either he's kidding, or he's not.  If he's kidding, I guess 11.  If he's
  not, I guess 4.
Newsgroups: alt.california,rec.travel
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: California info wanted!!!!
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:41:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.165656.10394@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.065755.8401@spectrum.CMC.COM> lars@spectrum.CMC.COM
>(Lars Poulsen) writes:
>>Yes, California IS different, and better. As for Santa Barbara, I wish
>>you would stop talking about it. Too many people here already.
>>BASICALLY, SANTA BARBARA IS TOO EXPENSIVE AND TOO ARTIFICIAL. NO JOBS
>>HERE TO SPEAK OF EITHER. Immigrants, look for housing and jobs in Oxnard
>>and San Luis Obispo. (:-) :-)).

>Better?  Naw, I would not say that.  Different, yes.

>Ah Oxnard!  As was said by a friend who grew up there:
>The Arm Pit of the South Coast [don't blame me, blame Diane].
>Yes, yes, very artificial.  No jobs either.

>--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
>  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
>  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
>Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
>A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya


Face it.  No jobs anywhere here in California.  Nice place to live (if you 
have a job).
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: Paradise lost and Medi-Cal...
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:38:21 GMT

In article <25984@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>#>Yes, some institutions large enough to qualify as communities themselves have
>#>private police forces.  You're still setting up police forces at the community,
>
>#>an unsubscribed property or vice versa.  Can you cite an example of a city
>#>anywhere in the world that has a similar policy?
>
>So what?  You claimed that these services couldn't be provided selectively,
>& I provided some common examples where they are provided that way.
>As far as I can tell these objections are just an attempt to dodge.

Common examples?  How common?  What I said was that these services couldn't, in
general, be provided only to subscribers.  You provided a couple of special
cases (in one, the subscribers aren't individuals, but communities;  in the
other, the isolation of rural buildings makes individual subscription
possible).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: california (without drivers license)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 21:40:53 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.82

Sam Lewit writes:
#>[Oakland station] But Amtrak is planning to move their station to the Jack London Sqaure
#>area which is considerably more convenient and safer than the current location
#>which is truly in the middle of nowhere. I know there are plenty of other

Well, no, it's Somewhere all rite ... Somewhere I'd rather not be!

#>stations in the US which are in bad spots, but on the Coast Starlight route,
#>excluding Oakland, I can't think of one which is located in a bad area
#>(including Los Angeles).

The Richmond station (part of a BART station) is no prize either but
at least you can get the hell outta there immediately.  

I don't remember where the stations are in Portland or Seattle
but then those towns are no comparison to Oakland & Richmond.
Newsgroups: alt.california,rec.travel
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: california info wanted II
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.153203.29843@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie) writes:



>> But now: Every day we can hear about the great forest fires in the 
>> Sierra Nevada. But two infos we miss: Where exactly are these 
>> fires and what do we have to pay attention to when we travel 
>> through the Sierra Nevada? Is it a problem to visit Yosemite NP?
>> 

The fires change all the time.  Just remember (since you're a tourist), not 
to start any yourself.  All the time, unknowing tourists flip cigarettes out 
of their cars because they don't know of the fire danger here.  Perhaps they'
re from other places (like cities w/just concrete), where throwing a 
cigarette out a window is common place.  Although I'd think they still would 
be careful of littering even without a fire danger.  

Come and enjoy, don't worry about the fire danger, and above all, follow 
Smokey the Bear's advice.
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holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: romeo@chocktaw.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Renting motorcycles/scooters
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:45:16 GMT


Are there places in LA that rent motorcycles or scooters to get around 
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Don't Move to Tucson
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 06:51:22 GMT
Distribution: na,local

In article <2SEP199219414803@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>
dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (SEWELL, DAVID R.) writes:
>Everyone knows that after a couple years of riots, earthquakes, fires,
>and budget crises a lot of Californians are thinking about moving out of
>state.  But take it from a native Southern Californian: don't move to
>Tucson.  You'll hate it here.

You forgot mud slides, droughts (although if you listen to some uninformed
in this group, we no longer has a drought -- ha), cultural diversity, etc. etc.

>For starters, there's no beach.
>
>There's absolutely nothing to do here.
>
>Only two freeways here, and they don't go anywhere
>
>Culture here has no class whatsoever.
>
>Just thought I'd warn you.

Thanks for the tip.  I don't plan to move to Tucson.
Now you have to convince the other 48 states.

>(former resident of Sacramento, Monterey Park, Alpine, San Diego, La
>Jolla, and Rainbow, California)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  former resident of Santa Barbara, Pasadena, and Gardena (LA).
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Xref: sparky alt.california:1678 bit.listserv.travel-l:2236 rec.travel:12532
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Newsgroups: alt.california,bit.listserv.travel-l,rec.travel
Subject: california (without drivers license)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:14:46 GMT
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)

hi,
    i'll post this to three newsgroups (heard that isn't
fine, but i have just subscribed to these 5 minutes ago
and don't know which are the right ones, i need information
as soon as possible).

me and my girlfriend plan to travel somewhere in the south
for 3 weeks (in mid-october). california is one of the
possible targets, but the problem is that we both have no 
drivers license. another problem is that i want to see as
much as possible and my GF wants to relax as much as possible.
this means we could do only a few stops (and travel not to
often).

i think of SF -> LA -> SD with some bonus stops in yosemite,
etc., an empty beach (originally we wanted to fly to cuba or
somewhere else in the caribean sea) near san diego (maybe 
mexico) should be included. city-trips should be short.

is it a non-relaxing tour? comments to greyhound-traveling
(someone told me that the central station in LA is dangerous
for life, health and money)? alternatives to greyhound?
sightseeings? 

or should i make a drivers license before? 

thanx for any help - tB!
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: California Exodus
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:30:46 GMT

In article 9419@travis.csd.harris.com, marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes:
>"Sacramento, CA - More Americans are leaving California than
>arriving for the first time in nearly 20 years, according to figures
>released this week by the state Finance Department."

Good!  I'm just going to wait it out...why bother moving to a less
crowded place, when I can just wait for the Bay Area to empty out?

Patience...

gak
(Native Californian who was born and spent his first 21 years in Nebraska :-)

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