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From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: Beatles vs. Apple Inc.
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:09:17 GMT

In article <92099.173645KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KCR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> I would like to know what the result of the lawsuit between the Beatles and
|> Apple Computer.  I have heard two stories.
|> 1. Apple can make no future products (ie ROM 4 GS) with an Ensoniq chip
|> 
|> or
|> 
|> 2. Apple paid a lot of money so number 1 would not be true.
|> 
|> But, considering the ROM 4 GS was canned immediately before its release,
|> number one seems to be the truth.
|> 
|> Set me straight so I do not spread any dumb rumors.

Well, I did a little research on Lexis and Nexis (our electronic legal and
news database products), and in two terabytes of court cases and news articles
I couldn't find anything to support the rumor that Apple Inc. is contractually
bound by an agreement with the Beatles' Apple Corps not to produce any new
Apple II's with music capability.  It is true that Apple Inc. paid about
$29 million to settle out of court with Apple Corps, but the details of that
agreement, as well as the original 1981 agreement, remain secret.  Even so,
I couldn't even find one article in a newspaper or magazine which even
suggested that this might be true.  I'm not saying that it isn't true, and
I wouldn't be too surprised if it were, but I can't find anything to really
support it.  If someone can give me the approximate date that the ROM 4 was
canned, I can check to see how well that coincides with the date that the
Apples settled.

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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: writing drivers
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:53:18 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <9204090123.AA10264@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca> tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>The following revelation escaped Matt Deatherage's lips:
>> 
>> Right source, wrong book.  If you have _any_ GS/OS book labeled "Volume 1"
>> or "Volume 2", burn it.  It's out of date and dangerous.
>
>    Does this include the Toolbox References?  At least I have Vol. 3 of
>that (but not Volume 1).

Toolbox References 1, 2, and 3 should all be used.

Matt never uses GS/OS to mean "System Software."  The Toolbox and GS/OS
are two separate parts of the system software.
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My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: bbs-bdoherty@jwt.UUCP (Benjamin Doherty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: eclipse
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:26:23 GMT
Organization: The Matrix

johnp@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (John Palaima) writes:

> eclipse is great..got it to set up, but it wont go any further..it wonl let
> me local logon..it sits and initializes.

How did you get Eclipse? I never got Eclipse! I got a letter about it but 
thats it... it said it would be posted in c.b.a2 but I haven't seen it, 
and things are still coming in... 

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From: wsheffield@pro-ace.cts.com (Wayne Sheffield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: PMPUnZip
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:02:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-ace]

>
>Well, one of these days I've got to start working on it again... btw, does
>anyone remember the fellow who wrote that all-assembly version of unzip
>last year?  He said he'd be willing to have me put it into GS-ShrinkIt, and
>then he vanished.
>
>andy
        I just downloaded a file called PMPUnZip.  Is this what you are
looking for?  If so, I could send it to you, if I were to receive your
address.
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From: scraft@graphics.rent.com (Steve Craft)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: CMS IO
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:00:39 GMT
Organization: The Graphics BBS (2D,3D,GIF,Animation) +1 908/469-0049

I went to te Trenton Computer Fair 11 and 12-APR, and picked up a book 
called _The_Apple_Connection.  It details all kinds of home-control hobby 
projects, but I neglected to pick up the CMS I/O board  for it.  Does 
anyone have have such a board for sale?  Any other brand of "outside 
world" board would  be great too, if possible.

I also bought a CP/M card for the //c, but I have no system ssoftware.  
If anyone out there has CP/M OS disks and sample programs, I'd love to 
seee them.

By the way, TCF was not to be missed.  Granted, it wasn't as great as it 
was in the past (nothing ever is), but there were a lot of grgeat  deals. 
//GS upgrade kits for the //e for $300, Video digitizer board $5, I/O 
boards $5, CP/M cards for //c and //e $5, ][+ &  monitor & floppy & 64k 
$150, //c+ & monitor $250, Franklin Ace 1000 & monitor $ floppy $150, 
Frankiln 1200 portable $175, etcetetc.  All sorts of books for $1 each, 
and  I bought 9 pieces of software for $50 (2 A2FS2 Scenery disks, 
Accolade Comics, Dondra, Murder on the Mississippi, War of the Lance, LA 
Crackdown,Regatta, Sail Race, and one other)!
Next year I am definitely buying a Franklin for home control and terminal 
use; imagine what they'll cost next year!

 The Graphics BBS  908/469-0049  "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: System 6
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:29:51 GMT

toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:

>all, or better with the RF driver, but there's simply no reason to install 
>the Apple SCSI driver (I'm less sure about the SCSI.Manager, but I'm 
>inclined to think it doesn't get used either).

SCSI.Manager is only useful with the Apple card. It really should unload itself
if there aren't any DMA SCSI's installed, I do not know if it does or not. What
it does is act as an arbiter for the many SCSI drivers that Apple provides: HD,
CD, Tape, Scanner, etc. None of these work with the RAMfast, they rely on
SCSI.Manager which relies on the Apple SCSI cards.

>Speaking of drivers, does anyone know whether the new A2.RAM driver will 
>speed up /RAM5 access with a non-Apple (but still DMA) card? Like, say, the 

It will NOT speed up the internal ramdisk at all. It is designed to work with
the Apple II Memory Expansion Card, the standard slot one the works in every
Apple II with slots; the "slinky" card. It also works fine with the RamFactor,
and I've got a 512k one that makes a great scratch disk.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown Matt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 *still* isn't in Seattle
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:35:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <1992Apr07.193727.9237@xcluud.sccsi.com> dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam) writes:
} I did finally find ONE dealer in Houston (more or less. Say, within 100 miles)
}who'd actually HEARD of GSOS 6.0. (I mean, they had one salesdroid who had)
}  He told me that Apple had not shipped 6.0 yet, and that they were still 
}printing the boxes and manuals. No known availability date.
}   Gee. I guess Apple's press release lied.

	How about the salesman didn't know what he was talking about?
(Does that _really_ surprise you? Even when the II was better supported by 
dealers, they never knew what the hell they were talking about and you had 
to have exact details ready)
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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: writing drivers
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:45:02 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Mar29.095909.21361@incom.de>, spock@incom.de (Martin Georg) writes:
> 
> FIrst there ist GS/OS Reference Vol. 2 (Alpha Draft), also called GS/OS
> Device Driver Reference. This book is available from Resource Central. Also
> there should be some useful information in the GS/OS Reference Vol. 1 which
> can be ordered from any bookstore (published by Addison Wesley, ISBN 0-201-
> 55020-2 ($28.95).

Right source, wrong book.  If you have _any_ GS/OS book labeled "Volume 1"
or "Volume 2", burn it.  It's out of date and dangerous.

The current, _real_ documentation is called "GS/OS Reference" (Addison-Wesley,
as you mention) and "GS/OS Device Driver Reference" (available _only_ from
Resource Central, or APDA before that).  Do _not_ use "GS/OS Reference,
Volume 2" -- it contains wrong information in several places.  Device Driver
Reference has been available for a long time (well over a year now).

> Martin Georg
> 
============================================================================
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Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (resU nwonknU ehT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple 2 Ethernet card?
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:21:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz; Open Access Computing


In article <1992Apr14.013158.901@cs.rose-hulman.edu> julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher) writes:
}Concernint the Ethernet board for the apple 2 Dave Lyons Says
}> It's still in the works!
}Will this come with tcpIP?  or will this be an ethertalk type of thing?  
}We are getting Ethernet to our rooms soon and I would like to ftp, telnet, ect
}straight to my GNO equiped GS.

	It will definitely be mainly an Ethertalk device (that is, like regular
Appletalk but much much faster)...  What other software, if any, will 
be included, I do not know.

	Todd W. has said many times publically though, that he's raring to 
get his grubby hands on one to write TCP/IP drivers for it! (rlogin gs.com 
hopefully will become a reality)

}Also how fast will it go?

	Dunno off hand, although you could get a rough estimate by looking
at specs for the Ethertalk protocol.
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Xref: sparky alt.binaries.pictures.d:2297 comp.sys.apple2:11887
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.d,comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wanted...Viewer for IIgs
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:41:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.702852117
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

I'm crossposting you to comp.sys.apple2, there are several.

v111pczf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christian T Fraboni) writes:
>     Hello.  I was wondering if there are any gif viewers for the apple
>IIgs that actually work.  I have gif3200 and it crashes on almost every
>picture I try to view.  Am I doing something wrong or is it the viewer?
>If there are any viewers that are more user friendly than this would
>someone please tell me where I can get them or it as the case may be ?
>I didn't download all of these GIF's so they could just sit on a disk
>and wait!!  Please don't send me the actual viewer since it will probably
>exceed my quota.  Just tell me where I can get one.
-- 
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From: shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: what's $E0/$8002?
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:01:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <702722257.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman) writes:

> AN> Now THERE'S an idea.  I should probably strip the high word when
> AN> extracting
> AN> in GSHK v1.0.6 (along with fixing the high bit problem and Brian Tao's).
> AN> 
> AN> andy

>      Now that you've got a life outside the Finder <grin>, what are your plans
>regarding 1.1?  I remember the Genesys interface that you built and I still
>think that it would be too cool to have.

Well, one of these days I've got to start working on it again... btw, does
anyone remember the fellow who wrote that all-assembly version of unzip
last year?  He said he'd be willing to have me put it into GS-ShrinkIt, and
then he vanished.

andy

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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Installer and Tools
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:37:14 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr10.144026.20716@math.ufl.edu>, x9999bns@maple.circa.ufl.edu (David Isaacson) writes:
> 
> Yes I know I've been posting a lot lately :)
>   I've been running across a few cases where I'll launch a program and it'll
> say it needs a tool installed. No prob. I just install it, but these are tools
> that used to be part of the basic installation in 5.04 (I think). It seems out
> of the 4 tools in SysTools1, only 1 was installed: Tool32. I've had to install
> 25 and 26(?) for ModZap and HyperStudio. Am I missing something in the scripts
> or were these supposed to be already installed?
> 
> 
> David Isaacson

If you use the Installer's "hard disk" update script, it installs tools
#25 and #26 (Note Synthesizer and Note Sequencer) for you.  You have to
install one of the MIDI Scripts to get Tool #32 (MIDI Tools).

If you use "Easy Update," the Installer automatically updates everything
that you already had installed.  If you had Note Sequencer and Note
Synthesizer before, you'll have them afterwards.

============================================================================
Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical  | The opinions expressed herein are
Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
From: shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:30:32 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr13.042936.9049@uwm.edu> greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:

>There is a *LOT* of money being dropped into the Mac lines now... He would be
>a FOOL not to go! Good Luck! (From almost all of us! :-)

A number of people have written to me asking whether I was offered some large
amount of money or stock or some kind of bribe to change jobs.  I don't own any
stock in Apple, don't have any stock options, and didn't get a pay raise to
change jobs.  In short, there wasn't anything mercenary about me changing
jobs.

I wasn't forced or coerced to change jobs.  I tried very hard to get the job I
have now.  I felt that since System 6 was winding down it was time for me to
move on and do something new and different.  I also refused to leave until
System 6 was done.

I still work on projects for the Apple II -- I'm working on finishing a zmodem
module for Morgan Davis right now, and GSHK v1.0.6 comes after that.  I still
have my IIGS and my logic analyzer in my cube at work (although my cube is
now physically about 5 miles further away from where it used to be), but I also
have a few Macs (IIci, LC, SE, Quadra).

andy

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Geek Benchmarks
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 02:14:01 EDT

Out of curiousity, I tried a couple of benchmarks comparing Systems 6.0 and
5.04 just now. The results are less interesting than you might think, but
here they are for posterity.
 
Booting a no DAs/Inits System 5.04 : 10 seconds
"Shift-booting" System 6 : 18 seconds
 
Copying my dreaded Fonts folder from a 32MB partition to a 20MB partition.
My Fonts folder is currently a 4,066k monstrosity containing 277 files (I'm
glad I didn't try this when it had 349 files):
 
System 5 : 3 minutes, 34 seconds
System 6 : 3 minutes, 38 seconds (future project for Andy:shave those 4 
secs)
System 6 w/piles of Inits/DAs/CDevs : 3 minutes, 40 seconds
 
Deleting the thus produced duplicate of my Fonts folder:
 
System 6 : 36 seconds
System 5 : Who knows? It crashed when I dragged it into the trash.
           I rebooted and tried again, and it crashed again. Hmm, robust. 
B-)
 
Opening the folder (Icon view, with no Finder.Data file) from the Finder:
 
System 6 : 4 seconds flat
System 5 : hahahahahahaha
 
All the benchmarks are on an unaccelerated ROM 01 with a RamFAST D/256 and
a Conner 100MB 16ms drive.
 
Other cool thing: The new Finder doesn't mess up the file order of a batch
of files, when you copy or move them (I always hated that).
 
Strange observation: The calculate button for the above folder returned
3,939,424 bytes, 4066k on disk in System 6 (makes sense, if the first value
includes only data blocks, and the second counts directory/index blocks).
The button in System 5 returned only 3,546,208 bytes, but still 4066k on 
disk.


Marc Sira               |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Subject: Re: Lovin' System 6
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:34:10 GMT

unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown Matt) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.091659.13846@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bp664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>>Things I like and appreciate: Credits in the Tools2 disk, like at
>>the end of a movie (Uh oh, this isn't the end of the GS, is it?),

>	I like the credits too.. as I'm in 'em..  It's not *quite* as good 
>as being in the Finder help, but it's certainly better than nothing.

Heh.  It would even be funnier if they put your alias in there too
maybe in brackets or something. :-)

But if you want to be in the Finder credits, on your machine just get
out a resource editor and start playing.  :-)  Oh, that's cheating.
Oh well.
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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca assembler weirdness
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:59:26 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr15.120441.19777@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:
>what is LDA bar supposed to do? Or, the other way round: Did you _want_
>to load the first two bytes of DP space or was what you intended rather
>LDA #bar ? One does wonder ...

I wasn't trying to do anything.  I was trying to illustrate the bizarre
scoping rules that Orca seems to be using.  As Ian mentioned, all of the
data segments are visible to one another, but the code segments only see
the data if they use a USING directive.  I would contend that this is a
rather illogical way to go about it.

>Soenke

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: meekins@cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)
Subject: Double click on Teach Icons
Originator: meekins@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:57:08 GMT

I'm posting this for Gerald, reply appropriately:


When I Double click on a Teach file I get the no known application dialog. 
Control-Option double click does the same thing (does NOT bring up directory
dialog box).  Where does the Teach application have to BE?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: wack@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Andrew Wack)
Subject: Re: System 6.0 BUGS???
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:05:18 GMT

In article <m0lYx8z-0000OrC@crash.cts.com> kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan) writes:
>> From: r.levy@GREEN.COOPER.EDU (Rami_Levy-)
>> I have experienced the following serious bugs with System 6.0:
>
>> 2. The Finder does not save its PREFERENCES, so that I have to reset them
>> each time.
>
>This doesn't happen on my version of System 6.0, either.
>
This bug happens to me too.  Very agrivating.  In response to DL's posting
on this subject I have 20K free on the system disk (single drive system,
1.25M memory ROM 1)
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From: quest@edsi.plexus.COM (Scott Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: synthlab
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:21:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr14.182109.29420
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

vacsc11v@VAX.CSUN.EDU writes:

>If I might ask (please no flames for this, if there is a FAQ file here
>I haven't found it) what is a good FTP sight where I might find some synthlab
>songs?

>appreciate it.  a reply in e-mail would be best.  thanks in advance...

Well, I know of pleanty of people that want to avoid paying AOL for the
time to download the synthlab stuff from there.  This is of general
interest to anyone who has played with the synthlab disk and likes what
they see.  As I saw in an earlier post, the only thing that beats
Synthlab is Master Tracks Pro,(about how much??$200??)  I should have
fun making my own sounds and songs too.  Please post the reply and mail
it to the original poster.  Thanks

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