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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan)
Subject: Re: you'll laugh at this...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:29:10 GMT

In article <STEINMAN.92Sep14083148@hawk.is.morgan.com> steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.014021.4784@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan) writes:
>   In article <1992Sep11.201211.16429@Csli.Stanford.EDU> mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:
>   >
>   >	PowerBook 100 2MB RAM/20MB Hard Disk    $2,499  
>   >
>   I got a mac 128k when the 512 was released... $2,495 for 128k,
>   $3,495 for the 512k.  We got a great deal on the 128k: $1700!!!
>
>   3.5 inch disks were 400k, and $4 each, of course they were hard to
>   get.  I had to mail order some and it took three weeks to get a box
>   of 5, 400k BASF disks.
>
>Oh, jeez -- if we're going to start whining, how about my Heathkit H89
>that I paid $2000 for! Z80, CP/M, 16k RAM, 80k floppy, AND I EVEN HAD
>TO PUT IT TOGETHER!
>
>A little later, I added a second 80k floppy for $400!
>
>A year or two later, I put together a 4MB hard disk project that set
>me back another $2000!
>
>And I'm sure there are others who can top this, so quit your
>snivelling and whining and get back to work!
>
>(Oh, I almost for got the :-)

Ahh, Im glad you included the :-).  I wasn't actually whining; I was... well, you know. :)

Anyways, to continue this thread, I'll add the little story about the Incoterm terminal... It had a neat keyboard with 8 little blue lights which could be programmed to light up in any pattern, and 4k of RAM (half of that went to video refresh).  $6000.  And, if you could afford it, you could buy an 8 inch drive for around the same price.  

The neat thing about this drive was the fact it could hold around 100k I think.  Doesn't sound like much, but with 2k of usable RAM, it was purdy good.  The really neat thing was that the DOS commands were stored on disk... so if you didnt have the erase program, you were SOL.  My drive died, so I took it to a local surplus electronics shop where they used to sell them.  I asked what I could get for it, and he said he didnt really want it because not many people came in for them anymore.  I thought he was 

trying to get me to take a low price, but finally I told him, "You can HAVE it."  He still didn't want it.

They were bought out by Honeywell, and last I checked, TWA STILL used them, only this time they had a brown case, and not blue (like the inky's color).

Makes me wonder, as I sit here typing on my trusty beige Mac 512 (enhanced, mind you :), will it eventually meet the land fill too?  Probably. What about the  newer ones, those I can only dream of affording?  The same.  But I could always use it to play games, or use it for primitive software, like Mathematica (speaking in terms of 15-20 years from now). But then again, that Incoterm SPD 10/20 had some neat games for its time too. :) / :(

JT
From: Mark.J..Sisson@p842.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Mark J. Sisson)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: LC Sound flakey
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:09:59 -0500

  sometimes the sound would go
  > out. It just stopped. Sometimes it would come back by itself; other
  > times I had to wait until the next time I turned the machine on.

  > 
  > Many months later, I have definitely determined that there is some sort
  > of hardware problem with this machine. The question is: Is this problem
  > of erratic sound widespread with the LC (or any newer Mac), or do I just
  > have a "special" machine. If other people have experienced this problem,
  > is the problem with the speaker or the sound driver?
  > 
  > I had my machine open a couple of months ago to install more memory, but
  > the speaker is so well hidden, I couldn't check the conections to see if
 
  I have heard that other si
  EM> owners have this problem. Now I know it exists on the LC, too.
  EM> 
  EM> Temporary remedy: Go to Sound control panel and select volume level 7.
  EM> This will get the sound back. Unfortunately, some games (ie Falcon)
  EM> wont let you access this panel during play. Also, if one program is
  EM> using the sound manager and you do this, the whole thing might freeze
  EM> (this from personal experience - I don`t know the precise cause).
  EM> 
  EM> I, too, would like an answer to this annoying problem.
 I have in the past had sound problems with MY LC which I solved by bypassing
the internal speaker altogether. I have a cable (bought at Radio Shack) hooked
up to the sound port in back and run my sounds out of my stereo (I also have a
cheap switching box so I can still listen to music or the VCR while running the
LC). This is probably a good solution if you're using your computer for music
applications ANYWAY! Hope this helps-Mark S.
From: randal@cs.UAlberta.CA (Randal Peters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Where to buy PB100 by mailorder now!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:12:16 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

arun@ac.dal.ca writes:

>Hello all,
>	I am writing from canada and am looking for the cheapest place to get a
>powerbook 100 right now by mailorder, some place that does have it in stock
>now. 
>	So what is the bottom line???

Please post your response. I am from Canada as well and have the same interest!

Thanks,
  -Randal
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Chip Merchant
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:19:49 GMT
Distribution: na

Geoffrey J. Noer writes

+ I've dealt with them several times now and each time they've been prompt,
+ helpful, and professional.  I recommend them highly.  I suspect it was a
+ bad day unless others have had problems too...

Well, they seemed a bit, not rude, but brusque in their conversation
(a short one at that) with me. But the simms showed when they said they
would [very important for me], and are in good working order.

James
From: metlay@PHYAST.PITT.EDU (metlay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Carrying case for PowerBook 100?
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:09:06 GMT


I hate to revive an old thread that only recently was put to rest, but 
I lost the archive I had. I need to buy a case for a PowerBook 100;
ideally, it would be shaped to fit the 100 itself properly, which requires
a smaller cavity than the 140 or 170, and have pockets for the external
floppy drive and the power adapter as well as space for disks, papers,
a notebook, etc. It must have a shoulder strap and be relatively water-
resistant. Good looks are nice but not essential, and price isn't really
an object (although I would like to keep it under $100, or even less
if possible). 

More specific questions:

1. Does the Kensington case I hear mentioned all the time handle the 100
well, and where can I get a good price on one? Mac's Place doesn't seem
to handle them, and I don't have a MacWhorehouse catalog handy....

2. Has anyone tried the ProTec case? It's cheap, but I didn't like the
custom case they built for my U-50....

3. Is it true that there's a Radio Shack case that fits the bill perfectly
and is very inexpensive? If so, what's its part number and price?

Email to the address below would be appreciated; I'll post a summary if
there's enough response to warrant it. 

Thanks muchly,

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From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: What size(k) are Mac SE ROMs???
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:13:38 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

 
 
 Are the ROMs from a Mac SE 128k or 256k?
 
 (need the info for a hardware project...)
 
 
 
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From: Fritz.Niespodziany@p4.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Fritz Niespodziany)
Sender: postmaster@p2.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Powerbooks
Date: 06 Sep 92  11:44:00 EST

Hello All!

I am looking for an adress where I could order a Powerbook 100 or 140
at a reasonable price AND that ships them here to Germany. Since the
Macintosh has become virtually nonexistant over here in the last years
I have a hard time finding a good bargain. And...Yes, I know that they
are not produced anymore.

Thank You and have a nice day !
bye, Fritz.

Fritz Niespodziany, Kurlaender Allee 12, 1000 Berlin 19, Germany
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From: ken@spectacle.berkeley.edu (Ken Huie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Looking for X10 controller interface
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:29:17 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: UCB

In article <1992Sep10.145041.11680@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
mstov@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.p.stovsky) wrote:
>Does anyone know of a Mac interface to X10 home control stuff?  I would like
>to play around with controlling devices from my Mac and would like to find an
>X10 interface box that can be connected to the serial port or a nubus slot.

DAK used to sell one (I have one). I don't know if they still sell the Mac 
cable needed (It was a DIN to DB-9). The box uses a serial line at 600!!!
baud to talk to the computer. The protocols to talk to the interface
are a bit weird (lots of repeating Hex nums) and are described in the docs
with the box. The interface has a battery backed-up memory to send commands
to controllers/dimmers, etc at times specified. You can use it to switch
things in real time also.

The software to control the interface gets updated every few years and is 
posted on Compu$serve and GEnie in the home control sections (?). 
I only use the software once a year (or thereabouts) to change my home
security lighting schedule. 

Sorry for the vague answers, but the docs for mine are buried in a closet
somewhere at home. If you need more, email me, I'll dig 'em out.

ken@spectacle.berkeley.edu
From: ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac 512
Keywords: parts
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:28:23 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1992Sep4.201342.2909@sae.com> ken@sae.com writes:
>A Mac 512 is good for parts for a Mac Plus.  They both use the same power
>supply.  Beyond that I don't think there is much else.  

Nonsense.  The 512 is still runs all the applications it used to.  You can
run MS File, MacPaint, MacWrite, MultiPlan, MS Word 1.0 and lots of other
programs.  With the "Hard Disk 20" file in your System Folder it can use
an 800K external floppy.  True, none of these are "state of the art" and
it won't satisfy many users' needs, but it would be perfectly acceptable for
a K-12 student or someone that just wants to do basic word processing and
spreadsheets.  For the right price (certainly no more than $200) it might
make a nice present for a child that does not have a computer.

Why do some people insist that anything less than state of the art is
useless?  I guess it's just another sign of our "throw-it-away" society...

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From: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Drive in Apple HD20SC
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:50:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu

I have an OLD (circa 1986) HD20SC Apple drive which I belive
is an ST225N (Seagate).  I have a place to donate the old
drive (which is still working) and replace it with a new
higher capacity drive.  According to the Computer Shopper
article of June 1991, at that time the ST296N (80 meg?)
was the same form factor and was just a drop in and play
switch out.  

I'm now ready to do this, but don't know if the ST296N
is still the largest drive available for this switch.
If anyone has more recent information, or knows of
a reason this might/might not work, I'd be interested.

THANKS!


 - Bob Wier

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: lari@sina.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari)
Subject: Magic MO and SCSI problems 
Reply-To: lari@robotics.berkeley.edu 	
Organization: UC Berkeley Signal Processing VLSI Group
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:35:13 GMT


Hi, I just got a Magic Magneto Optical. I have a Quadra700, and I already had 
an Apple CD-ROM hooked to the SCSI line. 
The problem is that when I try to connect the Magic, the SCSI get crazy, and 
the quadra cannot startup. It seems that it doesn't recognize the
internal hard 
disk at SCSI address 0, but starting from a floppy is also impossible. 
The hard disk is making some noise, then everything 
that appear is the little floppy with 0? flashing. 
I tried everything. It cannot be the termination or the cable, because I 
try to put on the MO instead of the CD-ROM, with the same cable and
termination 
I had. I tryed all the possible SCSI address for the Magic, and I always 
got the same effect. 

Does somebody got an idea about what the problem can be? I will call Magic 
on Tuesday, but if I can solve the problem alone it would be better. 

Please e-mail me, I will post a follow-up with the results of this. 
            
		     FRANCESCO
From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Can HP DWC take b/w cartridges?
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:19:46 GMT
Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG

In article <19323dINNhtq@uakari.primate.wisc.edu> bin@uakari.primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) writes:
>Can you use a regular DeskWriter cartridge (b/w) in a color deskwriter
>to reduce cartridge costs when doing non-color printing?
>

I've always been under the impression that the HP Deskwriter C accepted BOTH
the colour and the B&W cartridge alternatively. There is some sort of
sensing finger, that tells the Printer whether a Colour cartridge or a 
B&W cartridge is mounted. You also get a container to hold the
cartridges that are in use so they don't leak on your desk or dry out.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: monsoor@nextnet.csus.edu (Matt Monsoor)
Subject: Re: Mac ROMs: 64k or 128k?
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.231958.12960@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> blanke@bigboy (Mark Blanke) writes:
>nschultz@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ned Schultz) writes:
>: 
>: Can anyone help me identify some Mac ROMs by serial number?  They are
>: not in a Mac, so I can't check using software.  Here are the numbers:
>: 342-0220-A and 342-0021-A.  All I need to know is whether they are
>: 64k or 128k ROMs.  They are for use in an AMax emulator.  Please email.
>: Thanks...
>: 
>: Ned Schultz
>: nschultz@nike.calpoly.edu
>I believe those ROMS are 64K.  I have 128K ROMs in my AMAX II and the numbers
>are 342-0342-B and 342-0341-C.  
>
>I hope that helps.


You are correct....I have about 20 set's of ROM's that I was told they were 
128K and found that they were 64K ROM's....Oh well.


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From: Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk (Ralph Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Apple Color Printer?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:34:39 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D3BBFA8A012AC7@ralph.cm.cf.ac.uk>
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There's some rumours going round in the UK of Apple being about to
release one (or more) color printers. This seems to tie in with some
stuff on the August Developer CD called ColourSync. Anyone out there
heard any detailed rumours, or even know any facts?
Thanks. Ralph
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: johng@eecs.umich.edu (John Galantowicz)
Subject: Want Mac II to start up when plugged in
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:19:39 GMT

Does anyone know of a way to get the old Mac II to start up when plugged in 
(i.e. with out pressing the start up button)?  I want it to come back up
in case of a power failure like the IIci does when its power switch is 
screwed in.

--johng
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: amg8408@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Avijit  Moitra)
Subject: Printing problem with Toshiba P321 printer on Mac Plus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:28:59 GMT

I am trying to hook up a Toshiba P321 printer (dot matrix) to a mac plus.
I was using Imagewriter printing tool supplied by mac.  The printer is
printing some numbers in the "Best" or "Faster" mode when printing a text
file from MS WORD 5.0 and it prints only first 2 or 3 lines when printing
in the "Draft" mode.

Does any one know any solution to this problem.  Do I have to use a different
printer driver software ? DO you know one that will work ? An e-mail message
will be highly appreciated.  Thanking in advance.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dlc@arco.com (Dane Cantwell)
Subject: Which PC board for Mac?
Reply-To: dlc@arco.com
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company (Midland, Tx.)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:26:33 GMT

I would like to get a PC board for my Mac (well let's say need, not want..).  I
would like to hear if anyone has any experience with them.  What brand do you
have?  I need to connect to token ring to run Novell.  Do they have slots for a
token ring card?  How about printing...do they print through the Mac or can I
spool through Novell?  I would appreciate any experiences you might have.

Thanks,
-Dane


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From: arao@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Andy Rao    )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: compilers
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:27:07 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Can anyone reccomend a good macintosh compiler for C/C++, Lisp, and
progol?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Subject: Re: -o'-phony-ROMs (128)
Organization: Institute for Sensory Research
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:50:49 EDT

In article <1992Sep9.051731.15096@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan) writes:
>In article <1685C13A80.ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU> ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU writes:
>>Fake 128k ROMS? So far as I know, this cannot be done w/an EPROM. For some reas
>>on, probably some "extra" circuitry, this cannot be done.
>
>Yes, it can be done (altho Im not sure of the exact method).  Some guy was duping ROMs and actually had (or lacked) the sense the post all kinds of for sale ads on CompuServe and in Magazines.
>
>He got busted, and hard too.
>
There's no 'extra circuitry', it's just bit-pin scrambling.
This only means you can't dump MAC ROM->EPROM from MAC...
instead just READ the ROM, then burn the EPROM with the read file...

Now, if y'all want to go spend 300$ on a burner,40$ on EPROMs, and
several hores of time, go ahead.. (512k at 10msec/byte ???)
me, I'd pay the 75$ or so and just buy a used set.....


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe)
Subject: Re: CDROM File Sharing?
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:39:21 GMT

In article <Apgar-150992120137@17.32.26.49> Apgar@Apple.com (Gar) writes:

> OR, put the CD-ROM in, turn OFF filesharing and turn it back on.
> Then you can share the CD-ROM.

Is this still necessary in System 7.1?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Barry Thomas <thomasb@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Looking for X10 controller interface
Organization: Indiana University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:29:17 GMT

The CP290M is available from several sources for around $60.  Try Home
Control at 1-800-CONTROL or  Off the Shelf at 800-458-6423.  

Barry Thomas
thomasb@ucs.indiana.edu
Indiana University

Opinions expressed our my own and do not represent the University
From: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: monitors
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:01:52 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


I have an se/30 with a micron xceed color 30 card & adpter.  I wantt to buy the best monitor for the least cost(color) .   My school sells the apple RGB 13" for $553.00   Is there any oyther quality monitor going for that price.  Is SONY better but 100's more?  What is the best.  Respond by mail.

Thanks,
Lowell

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