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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: To KotL
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:21:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.193056.15988@ncsu.edu> kegunn@eos.ncsu.edu (KAY ELLEN GUNN) writes:
>
>Dear Kotl,
>
>Please issue me a DoD number. I have been reading this group for a month now,
>and I think I am finally ready to be initiated into this estimable group. I
>can flame with the best of you.
>
>Kay Gunn
>'88 Yamaha

Are you kidding?  I don't remember seeing even one teeny-tiny flame from
you.  To get into the DoD, you have to carbonize at *least* 3 Denizens
a month, and keep it up for at least a year.  Then *maybe* the KotL will
consider your request if you grovel appropriately.

Also you have to own enough guns or weapons of mass destruction to arm
a small country, or you haven't a chance of becoming a true Denizen.

If all else fails, try bribery, either large amounts of cash or
expensive motorcycling accessories.  In fact there happens to be one
particularly expensive motorcycling accessory that I know the KotL
desperately needs right now.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:49:03 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
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In article <1993Jan2.085229.7003@adobe.com>
                                 cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

>2) Go to one of those places that make magnetic signs

Naw.  A magnetic sign will likely be stolen, eventually.  A security guard
here at GVG, who owned a GoldWing with LOTS of chrome, had a permanent
sticker on the "tank" that read something to the effect of "If you value
your life half as much as I value my bike, I suggest you keep your fucking
hands off."  Admittedly, many kids won't/can't read it, but I bet it prevented
many (but probably not all!) adults from setting thier kids on the bike!

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: J.C. Whitney vs. dealer
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:17:17 GMT
Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA
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gonzo (an4929@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
& I was wondering how you all feel about the above question.  A friend
& of mine at a motorcycle shop told me that ordering batteries from
& J.C. Whitney wasn't a good idea because they were pretty cheap
& batteries which would vibrate themselves into not working due to your
& motorcycles vibration.  And, in looking at their add, I find it kind
& of odd that they weill only guarantee a 12 month battery for three
& months, a 24 month battery for six months, and a 36 month battery for
& nine months.  But then again, this motorcycle shop sells a battery
& for $45 that J.C. Whitney seels for $22.
& 
& So, now I'm confused, and I have no idea where to buy from.  Cheaply,
& which might break quickly, or mroe expensive, but possibly a ripoff
& because it's not needed to spend the money.
 
I bought a replacement battery for my bike from the dealer.  $45.  It lasted
two years.  I figured I couldn't get much worse than that, so I bought the
last one from WalMart.  $32.  It was sitting out on the shelves, walk in and
pick one up.  They come dry, with the electrolyte in a bottle.  Pour it in
and charge it.  K-mart and auto parts stores also sell them cheap.  
If you get a JCWitless battery you have to buy your own electrolyte, and
you have to wait for it.  I wouldn't call a 36 month battery with a 9 month
warrenty a 36 month battery-I'd call it a 9 month battery.
--
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Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: More amusing BMW trivia... (christmas continues)
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:51:32 GMT

In article <C0Gp6M.796@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bruce@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Krueger) writes:
|chris@triage.UUCP (Wheres my 650TT2 Ducati) writes:
|>"You mean like admitting to the fact that nothing in this world is more
|>passionate, more soul stirring, more FUN over a twisty road than an Italian
|>motorcycle?"
|   *******
|   try doing a thousand mile day on a japanese bike.  ..or, for that matter,
|   going a thousand miles without needing a tuneup on a duc.  a fully loaded

  It looks like Bruce is trying to join the ranks of the terminally clueless
with this over-generalization.

  Hmmm...  I've done a couple of 1000 mile days on "a japanese bike", a
japanese sport bike, actually.  No pain, no problem, etc.  About 500 miles of
twisties with a bit of interstate and straight highways thrown in, all
carrying luggage and camping gear.  *I* had no problem...

  So, what was your point?

|   my list: '82 R65LS(main), '76 R90/6, '72 R60/5, '65 R60/2, '63 R50/2
|   '62 R60/2...  well, at least that's most of the cycles.  then there

  I.e., you don't know anything about Japanese bikes?  I beleive it.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Bell Helmets
Keywords: helmet Bell
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:45:33 GMT

In article <C0Ht52.910@world.std.com> CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras) writes:
>  At September 26, 1992 Bell Sports had pending 26 motorcycle helmet
>lawsuits, 12 bicycle helmet lawsuits and 2 other lawsuits.  (One of the
>lawsuits is a claim by a motorcycle distributor for $2.8 million stemming
>from a judgment paid by the distributor in a Missouri case where a FAIRING
>was found to be defective?!)  Bell Sports has a policy to "vigorously
>defend all product  liability claims."
>
>	The number of bicycle helmets sold by Bell Sports has increased
>from 500,000 in 1988 to 3.5 million in 1992, a compound annual growth rate
>of 63%.  No wonder they are out of the motorcycle helmet business.
>
>	So, if you have read this far, is motorcycling really SO much more
>dangerous than bicycling, even mountain biking?
>
>(BTW, I am a corporate and securities lawyer, [...])

A lot of things could explain the data:

1. Maybe your law school buddies are extra vigorous in their
*prosecution* of liability cases involving motorcycles.  Ever see a TV
ad saying, "Injured in a bicycle accident?  Let's sue somebody!"?
(Nothing personal, you understand--hey, one of those law firms got
me a discount on the MSF ERC.)

2. Lots more Bell motorcycle helmets out there in recent years than
the (relatively recently increasing) number of bike helmets.  You
didn't give the relevant sales figures.  Alternatively, maybe all
those bicycle helmets just don't get used that much.  My wife's has
been on the road an awful lot less than my motorcycle helmet.

3. People on motorcycles can have high-speed one-vehicle accidents,
where head injury is a serious factor.  Bicyclists seldom impact
anything faster than about 30 mph unless they are hit by a car, in
which case they get smeared all over the road and head injuries are
less of a factor.

4. People who take chances on motorcycles often wear helmets anyway
because it's required by law, or other reasons.  People who take
chances on bicycles don't bother with helmets.  (I used to bicycle all
around helmetless when I wouldn't have dreamed of motorcycling without
a helmet; nowadays I'm a lot more cautious about both vehicles.)

Of course any of the above is just a wild guess as to the possible
cause of an apparent disproportion of product liability suits.
Knowing how easily business leaders can make multi-million-dollar
mistakes, I certainly wouldn't take their judgment as final proof
of anything.

On the other hand, maybe motorcycling *is* more dangerous than 
bicycling.  Heck, if you could pedal at 65 mph your bicycle helmet
wouldn't be worth much at all if you fell off.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Build Your Own !
Date: 9 Jan 93 08:58:34 -0500
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

Hi,

	On the subject of dream project bikes, I have a little off-season
challenge for you all :

	"If you could build your own motorcycle, what would it be ?"

No limits on materials, manufacturers, etc. but please endeavor to make it
interesting.  If you just say, "all-new and handbuilt" certainly I for
one will be disappointed.

	Me and the bro were working on this one over Xmas.  Mine would
certainly be like an SoS racer, while his would be a huge friggin', nitrous-
injected behemoth of a streetbike.

Rob
--
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                          Systems Engineer
                 AMA 642916   DoD 0593   FSSNOC 1721
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject:  AL weather
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:34:33 GMT


To all you Yankee and European DoDers:

I rode to work today!!
ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

-- 
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Intergraph Corporation        FAX number: (205) 730-3453
Mailstop: GD3000              Internet: mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Build Your Own !
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:04:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
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In article 2862@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu, ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:
>
>	"If you could build your own motorcycle, what would it be ?"
>
>No limits on materials, manufacturers, etc. 

The heli-cycle the skinny guy rode in "Road Warrior (Mad Max II)."

---
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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Subject: Re: gifs
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:07:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles

In article <1993Jan6.152927@tiger1.prime.com>, gavin@tiger1.prime.com (Dave
Gavin) wrote:
> 
> finally figured out how to look at them....any pointers to where
> the  dod gifs and such might be located...
>  
> Dave Gavin
> DOD 692

Try cerritos.edu for FTP anonymous login.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Bra auction: going, going....
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:48:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.200752.3846@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>The highest bid for the bra is Lazxcslo's $61. If I don't hear from anyone
>else by Monday (best to email) I'll close the bidding.

That's because I've been out of town.

<Performing DoD single digit salute to the rest of you bidders>

$65.

How many people have we gotten to commit on the "every dollar over $50"
deal?


-- 
Rich Lawrence, Synoptics Systems Engineer  DOD#9630  rich@grebyn.com
     '92 Seca II "Yuri"  CI$:71101,2272  GEnie:R.LAWRENCE14
   215 years ago my government gave me certain inalienable rights.
     Since then, they've been trying to correct their mistake.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav)
Subject: Re: Too Much Riding??
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:23:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.012019.14578@trl.oz.au>, phil@trl.oz.au (Phillip Bouchier) writes:
|> Too Much Riding??
|> 
|>  [ stuff about pain and suffering ]
|> 

I used to have a problem with my shoulder blades and neck when
riding.  I found the only way to fix it was get a bigger fairing
and change the pitch on the handle bars.  The pain almost took all
of the fun out of riding!

Mike Beavington  mbeaving@bnr.ca

=============================================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
=============================================================================
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: chain prematurely worn out?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:46:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1868@news.eng.convex.com, caban@convex.com (Jane Caban) writes:
>I've been getting different opinions on chain maintenance and wear from at
>least three people who wrench, so I'm a little confused. 

So you ask rec.motorcycles hoping for a concensus?!?  :^)

>My '92 Shadow 600 has about 13K miles on it now, and the chain has
>stretched to the point where I can't tighten it any more. (It's an O-ring
>chain.) One Honda mechanic told me that a chain should last about 50K
>miles. 

*With* proper maintenance, true.  But then again, with proper
maintenance, any good cage should last 150K miles...

>Another told me I should have lubed it every time I filled the tank
>(in my case, that would be every 2 days!) I've lubed the chain about every
>600 miles. If that's too infrequent, could that be why the chain is worn?
>I've been using PJ-1 to lube it.

I settled on ~300 miles.  Every other day is about right.  When you get
home, pop it on the center stand, pull the spray can out of your tank
bag, and lightly oil the sides (looking down).  Takes all of 3.7
seconds.  Once a week (after washing & warming?), lube it more
carefully, deliberately hitting every link.  Use this time to check
tension and wear, and while you're down there, tires, brakes, etc.

I prefer TriFlo to PJ-1.  The blue goo is a nice theory (liquid when it
goes on, thickens so it won't fly off), in practice it is just a mess.
I believe at least one O-ring chain mfgr specifically recommends
*against* using it.

>Can I put another type of chain on this bike besides an O-ring? The Honda
>mechanic says no, O-ring chains last longer. A friend of mine who wrenches
>Harleys says a regular chain will last longer.

A non-O-ring requires different oil, and more maintenance (? I've never
used one).  A well maintained regular chain will outlast a poorly
maintained O-ring one.  If they are both cared for properly, I would
expect the O-ring to last longer.

> I don't think I've neglected
>the chain, but I hate having to tighten it every other week and it seems to
>me it should last longer than it has. Is it possible I got a defective
>chain? 

Possible, not likely.  I suspect the QA on such as critical part is
pretty strict, for liability.  Make sure you are running it at the
proper tension, improper adjustment will reduce the life of the chain.

ADJUST the chain when it's COLD.
OIL the chain when it's HOT.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:43799 ba.motorcycles:1417
From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: First Bike Opinions
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:41:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <C0rGtp.685@synoptics.com> noemi@synoptics.com writes:
>Re: picking up a bike as a requisite to owning it:
>
>not everyone can pick up every bike in every situation.  even if you
>*can* pick up your motorcycle, you may not be able to if you drop it
>downhill or something.  IMO, being able to pick up your bike is a plus
>if you can, not a stopping factor if you can't.

One additional point here.  Don't overlook the effectiveness of adrenalin
and rage!

When I dumped my last bike (CBR600, ~430 lbs) in a low-speed get off, it
wound up in a fairly deep ditch, resting almost upside down.  Somehow, I
managed to turn it over, muscle it out of the ditch, and get it onto its
kickstand.  There's >no way< I could have done this in a normal situation.
Even more bizarre, I barely remember moving the bike.  All of sudden, it
was just up by the side of the road.

<begin Twilight Zone music>

I always doubted those stories of people lifting vehicles off of loved
ones after accidents, but now I'm not so certain ....

<end Twilight Zone music>

>330 dry.  it's all technique, just like not dropping your bike at
>a stop light.  and i speak with much experience about picking up
>Kawasaki 305s.

One thing which might help if you DO drop your bike is to use a technique
that uses your strongest muscles.  Assume the bike fell on its left side.
Stand near the bike, on the left side.  Grab a convenient portion of the
bike (say the handlebars :-) by squatting down.  Now, stand up slowly.
Most people have much stronger leg muscles than arm muscles.  You might
be able to lift the bike this way.  Do NOT try to lift with your back!
Pain will probably be the only result.

>MSF ERC sez: 10% physical, 90% mental.  that applies.

And perhaps 200% adrenalin in certain situations :-)

-rob.
-- 
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robg@apple.com   PP-ASEL-IA, looking for clouds .... B52s/REM/Erasure!
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What I got for xmas
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:14:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan6.011457.24561
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1ia59rINNnav@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:


>Number of subsequent GetabikeEd messages:
>	2.35E23

wrong--2.35E23 + 1

YO Ed, how about you get a bike!!!

:-)

Dream Free,

Bill
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Protection for Your Bike
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:42:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 6804@tcsi.com, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>In article <carlp.725675697@frigg>, carlp@frigg (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>>
>>>Among his [sheriff] advice to my Dad was words to
>>>the effect of "If you see anyone prowling around your house and you
>>>shoot them, just drag the body into the garage so we can say he broke
>>>in and there will be no questions asked."
>
>>This advice is something that is repeated so often, and is so
>>completely and dangerously WRONG,
>
>Perhaps I should have included a disclaimer.

A TN cop told my dad exactly the same thing.  When Dad asked, "what
about when you see blood stains streaking over the doorstep into the
house?" the cop didn't bat an eye as he replied, "Mr. Green, you'd be
amazed at what we can overlook when it will save us some paperwork."

I'd be amazed that anyone could take it as anything *but* a joke.

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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Bra auction: going, going....
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:39:22 GMT

In article <C0IHK1.J24@boo.uucp> bobm@boo.uucp (Bob Marrow) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.214829.19356@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>>$65.
>
>$66.

Just to get the most out of those who did the "every dollar over $50"
deal:

$70

We're gettin' into that "more money than I use at a whim" area. BTW, I
guess we have to view this as my last bid, since I will be in Santa
Clara from 1/10-1/20, unless I get Noemi Berry to check for me. This
would be a simple and elegant time for those false bidding to give up,
so I can just have the damn halter in question and be done with it.

If some stupid fool is willing to spend more than I (and you know who
you are, laz - oops! :-) ) I will add my name to list of those who are
matching over X dollars. I don't remember the complicated economics
involved; since it's for charity (hey folks, tax deduction!) let's just
say that I will *match* the highest bid made over $70 up to $100. If I
have to match, some momento of my effort would be appropriate. Perhaps a
training bra. Cough.

-- 
Rich Lawrence, Synoptics Systems Engineer  DOD#9630  rich@grebyn.com
     '92 Seca II "Yuri"  CI$:71101,2272  GEnie:R.LAWRENCE14
   215 years ago my government gave me certain inalienable rights.
     Since then, they've been trying to correct their mistake.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Hurray!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:59:08 GMT

In <93Jan04.202443.27521@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.182335.15385@noao.edu> morin@noao.edu (Meg Morin) writes:
>>Just wanted to proclaim my membership to the DoD! Yeah!
>>
>>My number: 0788
>>
>>Thanks, Ed!

>>Meg

>Right, who has to kill her? It ain't my turn, I did the dishes
>last week.

>DoD0.001
>RZ350
>Won't start, -35c.
>Kicked till I puked, then kicked some more.
>Charles


  Hey Charles

  Minus 30 with a wind

  Drove for one hour, unloaded the bikes, kicked for an hour, loaded up
the bikes and drove home. Pissed me off for shure.

  Why won't two strokes fire when it gets real cold. Correction, sleds
fire, why won't my bike? 

__
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