HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Clearly NOT a FORGERY
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:24:16 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov10.174712.27216@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>Try looking up rock.concert.net and taco.ncsu.edu via nslookup or
>something.

Which is the root of the problem....
taco and rock should either be in the UUCP maps,
or they should be in the headers as FQDNS.
Simple hey?

>Casting aspersions on NCSU because you are technically out-of-date is
>hardly conducive to you (already lacking) net.reputation.

Whoa!  You'll catch something with statements like this.
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@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.groups
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Bad group - comp.privacy - on PSInet?
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.184632.11914@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
>I've recently gotten some traffic through here for an illegal group
>named "comp.privacy"  (and rec.golf :-)

Please define "illegal group". I've never hear of that in the 4-5 years
I've been a news admin.

>Both of these bad groups have PSI in the path, and the administrator at
>one of the sites tells me that he got the group in the active file he
>got from PSI.

PSI makes a living selling newsfeeds and mail links. Not real suprising
that they'd have some extras. (If you *really* want to see a lot of 
unusual newsgroups, ftp uunets' active file...)

>I can't locate the address for the admins at PSI, and also wanted to ask
>if other had noticed such traffic?

I haven't noticed any activity for the groups, but then I haven't looked.
Try postmaster@psi.com, that'll usually work.


-- 
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The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
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From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Non-compliant articles, week ending 8 November 92
Date: 8 Nov 92 12:44:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences


         Invalid Headers, week ending 8 November 92

    The following is a list of articles which were dropped by the news 
    software here for a non-compliant header.  If a message ID from your 
    site is on this list then your news software may be out of compliance 
    with the RFCs on netnews articles and should be fixed.

Header contains non-header line:
	<1992Nov3.142052.7271@walter.bellcore.com>
		`Followup-To:maclean@ctt.bellcore.com'
	<1992Nov3.162433.9831@walter.bellcore.com> `Keywords:flight sim'
	<6NOV199213315240@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>
		`To:	IN%"LIPPARD@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU"  "James J. Lippard"'
	<100904@bu.edu> `Distribution:world'
	<1992Nov6.143436@chestnut.chem.upenn.edu> `Keywords:'
	<MJD.92Nov2180329@saul.cis.upenn.edu> `Followup-To:rec.games.misc'
	<MJ1078.92Nov2105400@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> `In-reply-to:'

No @ in Message ID:
	$f 
	<EMAIL.GIFFORD.4574.1992.11.0507000700> 

Message ID not bracketed with <>:
	4565@uh2946a.DaytonOH.NCR.COM 

No From: header:
	<1992Nov2.020244.6739@bacchus.com> 
	<1992Nov5.032740.16712@Princeton.EDU> 
	<1992Nov6.165519.26049@Princeton.EDU> 
	<1992Nov6.200400.13787@Princeton.EDU> 
	<qcPmTB5w165w@clubzen.fidonet.org!shakala> 
	<yeah.like.im.gonna.tell.ya!> 

No Date or unparsable Date:
	<9211061553.AA11378@naic.edu> `Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:53:54-040'
	<telecom12.817.10@eecs.nwu.edu> `01 Nov 92 10:49:39-0800'
	<jy.14@eng.ufl.edu> `<jy.14@eng.ufl.edu>'
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Clearly NOT a FORGERY
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:59:15 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: SGI TechPubs


In article <1992Nov12.182235.17682@wolves.uucp>, news@wolves.uucp writes:
|I sell Usenet clues to idiots like you.  It's a nasty job, but,
|like being a sanitation worker, someone has to do it.

Poor "G. Wolfe Woodbury"-- a merchant with bare shelves and
advertising that insults his potential customers.  I expect
Chapter 11 proceedings any second now.

---
cj@eno.esd.sgi.com       C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
"The news.* weenies should no more be in charge of the net than the
printers at a newspaper should decide its editorial content." R. Sexton
From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Another fidonet regurgitation
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 11:25:45 EST
Organization: LORC Enterprises

terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) writes:
> side unless the origin was from a fido.org-type address or a registered Fido
> site (since I read articles touting the hierarchical structure and strong or-
> ganization on FidoNet, there should be a list of nodes available, right?)

Yes.  Every Fido site is required to keep a copy of The Nodelist.  Every single
node on Fidonet is listed in this list.  If you ain't on the list, you ain't
on Fidonet.  As I said in a previous posting, the nodelist is around 20,000
lines these days....  Updates get mailed periodically in a context diff form.

> 	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing

--

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant, GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC
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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: posting path....
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:59:49 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Nov8.000653.24836@wetware.com>, drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes...
|>>>Path: wetware!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!uvaarpa!concert!rock!taco!jjprice
|>>>From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
|>>>(SAME) Subject: Re: Right to Choose
|>>>Message-ID: <1992Nov6.195649.11104@ncsu.edu>
|>>>Originator: jjprice@c00081-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
|>>>Lines: 79
|>>>Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System)
|>>>Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
|>>>Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
|>>>References: <1992Oct31.192919.15054@ncsu.edu> <82917@ut-emx.uucp>  <83128@ut-emx.uucp>
|>>>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:56:49 GMT

|>Can anyone explain to me why, if this is suppose to be
|>coming out of 'ncsu.edu' that there is NO reference to that
|>domain in the 'Path:' line above?

This looks typical of posts from ncsu.edu from what I've seen from there.  They
never have "ncsu.edu" in the path.  "taco" seems to be the news server there.

However, I've seen plenty of forged postings from that site in other groups.
I suspect the art of forgery is easy or well-known there, but the referenced
posting isn't one of them.

-Mike
Xref: sparky news.admin.misc:289 news.groups:20689
From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.groups
Subject: Re: Bad group - comp.privacy - on PSInet?
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:18:22 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 13c3076f24e2fcce8c4ad0a924017cba

gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.184632.11914@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.durham.nc.us writes:
>>I've recently gotten some traffic through here for an illegal group
>>named "comp.privacy"  (and rec.golf :-)
>
>Please define "illegal group". I've never hear of that in the 4-5 years
>I've been a news admin.

Okay, so call in "invalid according to the Spaf list" or "invalid according to
the monthly checkgroups list".

That doesn't change the fact that the group is bogus and getting dumped.
Or did my site miss some newgroup for them recently?

It is getting to the point where is isn't worth the effort to try and do
something nice for Usenet by pointing out errors or bloopers.
-- 
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news@wolves.durham.nc.us  news%wolves@cs.duke.edu  ...duke!wolves!news
"The flame war is a specific Usenet art form." --me
[This site is not affiliated with Duke University. (Idiots!) ]
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Larry Lippman dealing with jgd@dixie.com
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 22:53:14 GMT

hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey) writes:
>After jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) insinuated:
>>>Yeah, and you see what happened to Larry the Lid too, don't you?
>bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) protests:
>>Shut up, John. Larry Lippman is dead.
>But Bengt, that's exactly what the ``liar and braggart'' DeArmond
>meant.  He suggests that people die who label him what he is.  The
>truth is, of course, that they live on nonetheless.

He's pulled the same crap before, in instances such as the NixPub
list.  He stated there that anything he posted, no matter how wrong,
stupid, or impolite it was, was great because it lead to more
publicity.  He's the kind of sysop who gives Internet/Usenet sysops
fits when they want to compare favorably to Fidonet.
-- 
"A zebra cannot change its spots!" -- Sen. Al Gore, confused as always.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: hohndel@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Dirk Hohndel)
Subject: ?? fpt-mail Server in Middle-Europe and ftp Mirrors
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 11:59:09 GMT


Hi,

for an article about the internet-ftp I am writing on I am looking for
information on

1.	ftp-mail Server im Middle-Europe, esp. Germany

2. 	Mirrors of 	nic.funet.fi
			simtel20
			wuarchive.wustl.edu
	anywhere.

3. 	List of ALL archie-servers.


Thanks
		Dirk
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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: I wonder if this is a genuine mistake?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:09:17 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

Did someone shoot themselves in the foot here?

(path broken for clarity)
xenitec!van-bc!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca! \
                        kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!ersys!crs-sys!crs
From: news@crs-sys.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (News Admin)
Newsgroups: news.admin.ctl
Subject: sendsys
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 04:38:09 GMT
Control: sendsys
Followup-To: news.admin.ctl
Distribution: edm
Organization: Confusion Control

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
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| Chris Gregors aka General Mayhem                                           |
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: I wonder if this is a genuine mistake?
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:48:58 GMT

In article <7TJuTB2w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

>Did someone shoot themselves in the foot here?
>...
>Control: sendsys
>Sender: crs@crs-sys.uucp (Chris Gregors)
>Followup-To: news.admin.ctl
>Distribution: edm

Not necessarily.  Emitting a sendsys message with the distribution
appropriately set is not uncommon, but you'd better hope that your
neighbors have all defined their distributions pretty well.  Looks
like a message intended only for Edmonton distribution got out to
Minneapolis, which sounds like a leak somewhere.

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Xref: sparky news.admin.misc:271 comp.mail.uucp:2019 comp.mail.sendmail:2708 comp.mail.misc:3609
From: bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson)
Subject: This jgd@dixie thing (retraction)
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:02:16 GMT

In article <rdippold.720744794@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey) writes:
>>After jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) insinuated:
>>>>Yeah, and you see what happened to Larry the Lid too, don't you?
>>bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) protests:
>>>Shut up, John. Larry Lippman is dead.
>>But Bengt, that's exactly what the ``liar and braggart'' DeArmond
>>meant.  He suggests that people die who label him what he is.  The
>>truth is, of course, that they live on nonetheless.
>
>He's pulled the same crap before, in instances such as the NixPub
>list.  He stated there that anything he posted, no matter how wrong,
>stupid, or impolite it was, was great because it lead to more
>publicity.  He's the kind of sysop who gives Internet/Usenet sysops
>fits when they want to compare favorably to Fidonet.

All right, I admit it, I was wrong. Not about the above, but in
general about either argument (or flames) working on jgd@dixie. Sorry.
Alas, ignoring him won't quite cut it either since there will always
be other (new) people that will be baited (or newbies will be scared
off). 

Putting jgd into some sort of FAQ ("beware of...") is going too far
in accomodation with him.

So maybe some reasoned complaints to feed sites about jgd consistently
flaming, lying and misleading will work. Or maybe not. It may be worth
a try. 

-- 
Bengt Larsson - bengtl@maths.lth.se
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Another fidonet regurgitation
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:12:35 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac

In article <mH4PTB3w164w@lorc.UUCP> lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen) writes:

>Yes.  Every Fido site is required to keep a copy of The Nodelist.  Every single
>node on Fidonet is listed in this list.  If you ain't on the list, you ain't
>on Fidonet.  As I said in a previous posting, the nodelist is around 20,000
>lines these days....  Updates get mailed periodically in a context diff form.

Not true - neither points nor private nodes are listed in the nodelist, but
a good many of both certainly exist. Private systems were common back in the
early days (85-87), but were soon suppressed because of the bulk they added
to the nodelist. The systems are still there, of course, you just can't find
them in that nodelist, or call them directly - much like systems buried
beneath internet domains without the efficiency.

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Newsgroups: news.admin,rec.music.synth
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Renaming rec.music.synth will not cause harm (was Re: *BAD*...)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:44:37 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>I don't think [the readers of r.m.s are] being harmed at all.  
>Did you ask them? I did.

I well understand the technical issues involved.  In my opinion, a
group rename simply will not cause that much trouble.  So some r.m.s
readers say that they are being harmed by a group rename.  Without
taking a stand on their sincerity, I just don't believe it.  Unless
proven otherwise, I must assume that they don't know what they're
talking about.  In other words, the burden of proof is on them.

>With blind adherence to procedure, Usenet might as well become alt. 

It's not blind adherence, Dave; that's a straw man.  With my eyes wide
open, I say: the r.m.s vote was good enough.
-- 
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   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: rca@Ingres.COM (Bob Arnold)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: rca@Ingres.COM (Bob Arnold)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:50:35 GMT

It's perfectly clear that Rich Kulawiec did an honest and careful call
for votes.  Can we simply drop any/all assertions to the contrary?

Dave Hayes is asserting that even following the guidelines to the letter
isn't good enough.  He is also says that the CFVs/CFDs did not
include r.m.synth in the subject line, and I have not seen anybody
disagree with him (have I missed this?).  So, perhaps Dave is right on
this assertion.

I happen to sympathize with people who ignore CFVs/CFDs that don't
mention any groups they care about in the subject line.  It's clear
that other people disagree with me, and I respect that too.  Here's my
first point though:

This mess would not have happened if Rich (remember, he did an honest
and careful job) had mentioned r.m.synth in the CFV/CFD subject line.  

Dave - let me try to make a constructive suggestion:
Find out who is responsible for these guidelines, and make a constructive
effort to work with those folks to get them improved so that CFVs and CFDs
have to have the affected groups in the subject line.  That should be
a simple improvement that would help future votes.

Dave is also asserting that r.m.synth readers are being unfairly
victimized by the vote procedures.

Perhaps this is true, and perhaps not.  Dave thinks it's true though,
and is assembling evidence to support this assertion.  Good - this
is healthy.

But what to do with the evidence?  And who to present it to?
I frankly don't really know.  And it's already late in the game.

Under the circumstances, perhaps the best thing to do is to remember that
guidelines have been carefully worked out by good and honest people
(although improvements may nevertheless be possible).  Rich followed these
guidelines faithfully, cooperating as best he knew how with the collective
procedures of the net.  We all owe Rich a debt of thanks for this - good
work is all too rare in this world.

Under the circumstances, I'd suggest to Dave that he acknowledge the
validity of the vote, and send out his own CFV and CFD to rename it
back to r.m.synth.  I assume that Dave would do an even better job than
Rich, thanks to what we've all learned from this experience.

I'd like hope that these words will have a calming effect on what is
about to become a flamefest.  I have *not* put on my own flamesuit.
Let's see if I become a crispy critter.

		Bob
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From: alan@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Alan Hargreaves)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Child Pornography (A proposed solution)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:39:48 +1100
Organization: Maths Department, University of Newcastle, Oz.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: frey.newcastle.edu.au
Keywords: Pornography Legal Child Porn

siphon@momad.UUCP (Stimpson J. Katz) writes:

>     I have a modest suggestion for dealing with the child pornography
>problem. I hope it is implemented (or something similar) before some
>university or BBS get prosecuted for distribution of child pornography.

>     I suggest that administrators and system operators who find child
>pornography appearing on their systems cancel the offending messages
>immediately. I know people are going to scream censorship, but the
>alternative is for systems to stop carrying the newsgroups that
>encourage (directly or indirectly) the posting of child pornograhy.

hmmm do you have any concept of just how much news flows into a site
in a day? I can't speak for other sys admins, but I have much better
things to do with my time than scan all the news for artciles that I
have to cancel.

alan.
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Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:27:28 GMT

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>Well, if you folks won't budge an inch then neither will I. Nyahh. 
>We're not the ones demanding that a system that works be trashed simply
>because we don't like the result.

It doesn't work perfectly. It's unworkable if only for your stubborn
adherence. 

>>I'll say it again: "what about the users of rec.music.synth? Don't you care
>>about them?"
>I feel no obligation to care about them one tiny bit more than they
>demonstrate that they care about themselves. 

There you have it. They *have* demonstrated that they care, but not 
according to your notion or timetable. That, I guess, makes them wrong, huh?

>The process is fair and equitable. 

Demonstrably and admittedly false. I cite this example as one. The voter
population was skewed. 

>If there is a class system in Usenet, it's the least restrictive one I've ever
>seen; all it takes to change classes is a willingness to participate. 

Only according to your prescribed rules. Most people don't have time to
remain glued to news.groups. 

>I've dealt with your central issue; you've simply ignored it.

But not as a representative of the people. 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

One day, a Fool was in the village mill, filling his bag with a little
bit of every other person's wheat. "Why are you doing that?" someone
asked.  "Because I am a Fool" came the reply. "Well," the someone
asked "Why don't you then fill other people's bags with your own wheat?"
   "Then," came the answer, "I would be more of a fool."
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