From: ymir@eagles.uucp (Ymir Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: men's spirituality (was Re: New Pagans and Reading)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:12:50 CDT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof


Recently Susan Harwood Kacmarczik writes:

> 
> You pompous ass.  How dare you come on here and speak to someone in
> such a patronizing manner?  And who says that you get to decide that
> Hulda was merely being blunt, while Ailsa was being offensive?  How
> nice that you do not wish to flame anyone, but that the Gods put it to
> you to deliver this reprimand that Ailsa brought upon herself.  Just
> who the hell do you think you are?  Whoever you are, I'm not too sure
> it's someone who should be throwing around judgements about "lack of
> class and good common sense."

 Partially,because I was present when Hulda was writing her statements. I
am forced to agree that her way of speaking WAS offensive...but not vulgar!
The gods did not choose me to correct anyone, I chose to do that myself to 
state MY opinion on the matter...not the gods or any other living entity.
It is true, I admit, I AM POMPOUS! As a matter of fact, Hulda felt considered
me an arrogant bastard before actually talking with me. Who am I? For one I'm
Hulda's husband. Second, I have been a student of galdr and a practicing
Heathen for some 24 years. One of the sad byproducts (or perhaps it is just
my own character flaw) is that I sometimes look at those with "seemingly"
(I use this term not in the literal sense. Only in terms of the way they
present themselves.) less experience as children. Therefore, I tend to
scold and patronize much more than is necessary. I do sincerely apologize!




> 
> 
> And please tell me how Hulda's opinions, formed from her personal
> experiences, are more valid than Ailsa's, formed from *her* personal
> experiences?  You are asking someone to do something that you are
> yourself neglecting to do.  A great outpouring of common sense
> there...

 You have got me there! Hulda's opinions are NOT more valid due to her
personal experiences. Neither are Ailsa's more valid through hers. This was
a failed attempt by me to try to get Ailsa to understand that some of Hulda's
venom was not truly about Ailsa, but an overflow from some bad experiences
 she went through and for Ailsa to try to understand that at least some of
the attack she received was due to this and not Ailsa personally! But, as I
have said...I failed at communicating this to anyone it seems. Again, I'm
sorry.


> 

> 
> How do you expect to achieve a friendly rapport with people if you are
> patronizing and judgemental?  Do you feel that is your mission here,
> to point out the error of their ways for them, while maintaining an
> attitude that might better suit the more sanctimonious members of a
> certain monotheistic religion in which many of us were reared?  At the
> risk of drawing your righteous wrath at my words intended to hurt and
> not heal, bullshit.
> 
 By trying to make amends. Admitting that I have my faults and trying to 
work through them. Sending some sort of "peace offering" if it is needed.
Also, asking for her help and advice on a project I'm working on that she
might have some ref. material that I do not have or am unaware of. Ailsa,
if you are reading this...I would like to enlist your aid on some wiccan
materials concerning ancient customs and origins!



> By the way, there's something I must mention in response to your snipe
> at Ailsa about her typos being either a product of her rash reaction
> or her lack of ability to spell.  You have quite a few typos in your
> post as well.  The fact that you present yourself as an example of
> calm and considered dialogue leads me to the conclusion that *you*
> must not be able to spell.
> 
 Yes, I had a few too many for my tastes as well. I also, was reacting in
spite and that was uncalled for. It was a cheap shot and I stand corrected!
Sometimes the blood just doesn't seem to get moving in that "old grey matter"
of mine!

                        
> 
>                           Wassail!
>                           Ymir Thunarsson
>                           Odhinnsgodhi(High Priest) and Lore Keeper
>                           EAGLES REACHES