From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (infini-t)
Subject: Re: Mondo makes me wretch
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 19:47:41 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, gilles@well.sf.ca.us said about 'Mondo makes
me wretch': 
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|What about electronic zines. I get Digital Underground Digest and Phrack.

Computer Underground Digest.

|But what else is out there?

A small sampling includes:

ANE		Anarchy N Explosives
Armadillo Cult.
AOT		Art of Technology
ATI		Activist Times Inc.
Bootlegger
CCC		Chaos Computer Club Shtuff
cDc		Cult of the Dead Cow files
CDuGD		Computer down-underground digest
CPI		Corrupted Programs Int'l
CuD
DFP		Digital Free Press
EFFector	EFF's e-letter
FBI		Freaker's Bureau Int'l
Free Journal
H-Net		Hacker's Network
HUN		Hacker's Unlimited
Informatik	
Kcah
LoD/H TJ	Legion of Doom/Hackers Technical Journals
NARC		nuclear somethin' er other
Net (prototype)
NFX		New Fone Express
NIA		Network Information Access
NSA		Nat'l Security	Anarchsts
P/H/A		Phreaker's Hackers Anrchists
Phantasy
P/hun
Phrack (classic, too)
Pirate
PPP		Phuckin' Phield Phreakers
RRG		Rebel's Riting Guild
Scream Baby
Syndicate	
TAP-Online
UPI
Worldview

Of course there's tons more out there, and most of these inclusions
(most) just cover the computer underground...Some are completely wank
and some are must-haves, even if you're not a hacker.  (ie, phrack and
lod tj, just for historical significance)

|Don't let Mondo get to ya, I don't like it but what we have to do is do
|things and talk to people, including about what we don't like about Mondo.
|One problem I see with Mondo is that they put all their effort on the cyber
|with no punk, also no technical section. I have often, including to them,
|refered to Mondo as techno-hippie.

Write to *them*...Don't write to alt.cp.....

The battlecry of "Mondo needs punk" is heard all too-often, but yet
have I come across anyone who has put forth a suggested list of
subjects Mondo should cover....

And for chrissakes, they cover hackers, and they basically promote
drug use, and they rant off about the government regularly, isn't that
punk enough?   And let us not forget the Negativland surprise interview
with The Edge....

Oh, but, gee, I forgot, they're glossy and they're carried in many
bookstores across the country, so, since they're popular that excludes
them from any hope of being punk. 
<read: sarcasm>....

|As to what to do: Find out what people in your area are doing & join in,
|promote good zines to local stores, especially since f5 has published _The
|World of Zines_ which is a great source of info. Contact good zines, many
|have email addressed printed, and find out who distributes them & pass the
|info, in the form of the distributors catalog to your local mag source.
|I've promoted 2600 here in Berkeley & SF and it is selling well, Cody's is
|going through over 100 copies per issue. Present an alternative to Mondo and
|those who are not out for a fashion statment will go for it.
|Mondo does have great interviews however.
|Enuf ranting <fo now>

Well, at least you're doing something about, unlike 99.44% of the
people who post anger with Mondo.....Yet, I have never saw Mondo and
2600 as being in competition, except maybe back in the daze of High
Frontiers/Reality Hackers, but, even then, not really.....

But that brings up an interesting point - isn't 2600 overground
enough, considering all the legal trouble they've had?  And not only
legal trouble, but, just plain harrassment on behalf of zaibatsus and
other media?  Imagine the backlash when every 12 year old hacker-wanna
comes home with a copy of 2600, and while cleaning his room, his mom
finds a copy with an article entitled "Steal All The Shit You
Possibly Can From Every FedEx DropOff Box Across The Country:  Here's
How In 3 Easy Steps".  Mom's will freak, write to 2600 and to other
local media, Tipper Gore will get involved, and the thing will be
destroyed in under 15 minutes

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