HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815))
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Subject: Re: my prediction
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:14:00 GMT
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: And let's not forget Ted Turner, who became my idol when he got up to
: speak after winning America's Cup and instead slid slowly under the
: table despite trying to hold himself up with a liquor bottle in each
: hand.

Would you describe that situation as Turner's high water mark?
He's certainly sunk in recent years.

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:57:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: amendment 2

>     "Give to everyone that asketh thee; and from him that
>     taketh away thy goods ask not again." Luke 6:30

>     "Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would
>     borrow of thee turn not thou away." Matt.  5:42

>     "But love your enemies, and do them good, and lend
>     never despairing; and your reward shall be great, and
>     ye shall be Sons of the Most High: for he is kind
>     toward the unthankful and evil."  Luke 6:35

> Care to send me all your money, Ruth?  Moral absolutes, remember.  New
> Testament, straight from the Lips of God.

Hmm, is that why Marx wrote "religion is the opiate of the masses."
Too much competition for "more redistributionist than thou?"

the Jews, right?  That *is* the prescribed order isn't it?  Hitler was a
> Hitler was a Christian par excellence ...

Hitler was a vegetarian and a militant anti-smoker.  William L. Shirer,
1960, _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_ (Simon and Schuster 234)
"Hitler, nominally a Catholic, had inveighed against political
Catholicism in _Mein Kampf_ and attacked both of the Christian
churches ..."  At page 240, there's a description of the "National
Reich Church" that _inter alia_ condemns the "strange and foreign
Christian faiths imported into Germany."  There are some interesting
references to ancient pagan faiths in this section of the book.

Graham, if you want to demonise people, comparisons with Hitler are
not always the best to make.

Steve Karlson

Luff 'em and leave 'em.
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Peeking out from under the manhole cover
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:48:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior) says:

>Is it safe to come out now?
>
>-K
>
>-Mka
>
No!  This list is highly intolerant of people who use politically incorrect
terminology - your so-called "manhole" should be called a "human-accessable
maintenence hatch" or some similar phrase.  Change it to its correct form
and you will be allowed to rejoin the discussions....

In other words, jump on in, the water's warmed up now.:-)
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From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: nailing people
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:34:59
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In-reply-to: Graham Toal's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:20:45 GMT

   (This isn't a continuation of the flame war.  I did say I would stop.
   It's just that I'm worried for Ruth's soul and I want to put her
   back on the path of righteousness.)

   G

Graham,

Leave off.

//a//
From: FNA104@URIACC.URI.EDU (Jim Bradley)
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Subject: The Married Man is back
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:24:17 GMT
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Hi, everyone!

Three weeks ago tomorrow was our big day, and a fine day it turned out
to be. The weather cooperated with a crisp, sunny day. Helen looked
great in a long, flowing, pale pink dress. The church service was in
a little, white ex-church on a hilltop overlooking the bay, now an
historical site. The reception followed, just down the hill in a URI
Bay Campus building. The Chateau St. Michelle, the Teachers and the
Grolsch flowed, the food was delicious, the cake beautiful and tasty,
and the music--by Magnolia, a Cajun band that is a superset of the
group which played at the 'bake--had everyone dancing and enjoying
themselves.

We honeymooned for a week in Lafayette, Louisiana. Perhaps a strange
choice of places, but we had an excellent time with good food and
music every night, and days spent exploring the back roads and bayous.
Other highlights included a jam session of master Cajun musicians
who gather at the local music shop every Saturday morning, and riding
in a bateau recently built of old cypress salvaged from mill buildings
and powered by a venerable make-and-break engine.

After coming home from Louisiana we flew to Martha's Vineyard to visit
my son and retrieve the wedding pictures. (My son, the best man, had
taken the 10 rolls of film with him when he left, rather than dropping
them at the local photo shop.) Anyway, we got two great meals at Savoir
Faire, the very chi-chi joint in Edgartown where he is the chef.

We spent a last quiet weekend at home before returning to work.

/Jim
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:50:33 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Clear the air

>>I feel it my duty to dispel any misconceptions about myself. I am indeed
>>a college student. My major is music. I pursue this major because it is
>
>   welcome....too bad about that stupid user ID with the special
>character crap....though I bet that ain't your fault...
>
>>something that I want. I am the son of a single mother. (I suppose my
>>next ten generations are damned. Oh, well.) I have always taken pride in
>
>   bfd.

I swear I had predicted all of Dan's reply. Down to the last letter,
complete with "bfd", I swear it.

I had also predicted Judith's cheerful humorous reply, except I thought
she would say he was CUTE.

Have some vague idea what elicits what around here.

tushar
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Clear the air
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> > I, for one, am of Welsh descent, or so they say.
> > --ggs
>
> Why, of *course* you are.  We're siblings, remember?
> doris

Think how long it has been since we have talked about the family.
All the things that have happened, and we forget the most important
thing -- the *family*.....
It's time to do another tree.
Does anybody remember that the last time I mentioned my cousin
George Washington I got into a nasty flamewar with The Ronin?
He didn't like being called a Yankee.
That was *so* long ago and far away.  A time of innocence, that's
what it was.
That was before the FF.
Memories....
--ggs (getting weeping with nostalgia)
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:31:00 CST
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: One simple (?!) question

Didn't I once read a suggestion among elders of the feminist
movement that a "croning ceremony" would be an ideal rite of passage
for menopausal women -- anointing them as learned elders or some
such thing?

Steve Karlson

Hmmm... that puts descriptions of "cronyism" in a new light.
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Original-From: mhwpa!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:27:00 EST
From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: One simple question
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>For example, if I choose to buy a mink coat
>today, I may also have just chosen not to be able to pay an emergency
>medical bill in the near future.
>
>So my question is: how do you know when a choice isn't going to come back
>on you?

That's easy.

You don't.

Ken
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Apology to Ruth
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:51:48 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>Having slept on it and calmed down a bit, I realise that a lot of
>you were right and I was unacceptably harsh on ruth yesterday.
>
>
>Ruth, do you see the parallel drawn above?  That's exactly what you're
>doing to us.  Obviously, I don't mean it - it was just an illustration,
>and yes, I do apologise for hurting you when you believe that you are
>a good and decent person.  I'll end this flamewar now even though there's
>a lot that's been said that I'm itching to dispute.

I'm still willing to talk if you are.  Talk, that is - not argue.  The above
stuff that I deleted were things you obviously think were  a parallel.  I'd
try to convince you it isn't the case, but we've been over all that ground
before.  Fighting over any length of time is something I've never done
before; it's harder to keep that kind of head of steam up than I thought.

>Please give some thought to the real life consequences of your beliefs
>on other people.  Christian bigotry is causing more concrete and lasting
>harm than this exchange of words could do.
>
It's not Christian Bigotry, Graham - it's the bigotry of a few Christians
who've managed to grab some microphones.  Don't tar the rest of us with 
the same brush, please.  Their beliefs are not my beliefs, and their 
desire to put crap on the books is not my desire.  The post that started all
this was not what I, personally, believed - at least not all of it.  It was
this woman's take on where the fundamentalist end of Christianity is coming
from.  And that's all it was.  It wasn't meant to start a flame war.

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From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Subject: Re: To Neal and To Brownies
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:47:04 GMT
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>:it was the first time la belle Judith had been in Spat's since a tete-a-tete
>:with Graham; I would have read something into this, but it _was_ my choice of
>
>Spats... hmmm... was that the burger bar that had no burgers?  Or the
>one across the road with the adorable & intelligent <wait-persons>?

Oh...yeah...no burgers...was that at Spats? I was *very* upset.
Here I'd promised this visitor from across the sea Real American
Hamburgers, and they were "all out of hamburgers"...
But I'd repressed the memory...Did we eat there after all? I
can't remember...it all seems so long ago...

judith, who must be getting OldTimers' disease
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:34:32 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Brad's Digests
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Brad:  Do you have copies of all your WORDS-L digests?  If not, does
anybody else?  I'd like to put them in ftp space, but I don't have them.
I can find recent ones in archives, of course, or in usenet.  How many
weeks has the digesting been going on?

Meanwhile, I don't know when this note is going to go anywhere.  We're
isolated from the rest of the world right now because of a sick wire
somewhere between here and Jackson.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:01:35 -0500
From:         James R Llewellyn <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: out of left field

I believe that there is a great distinction between "out of left field"
and "out in left field." "Out of left field" evokes a feeling of
surprise. During an average game, little happens in left field, so
anything "out of left field" could cause an obvious stir. Because of the
psychological ramifications of the boredom, one may begin to feel odd,
different, or "out in left field."

Peace, Love, and Swivel Chairs,
Jim
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:50:15 -0500
From:         James R Llewellyn <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: soap

I'm just a newbie and I know better than to ask a question like that!
Peace, Love, and NBA Preseason,
Jim
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Mechanics of Response Style (was Re: amendment 2)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:48:29 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>What you mean is 'ruth's postings are unreadable' I suspect.  I certainly
>skip 90% of them for the very reason you give, although being able to
>recognise her style instantly makes it a lot easier to recognise her
>postings quickly and skip them anyway on the grounds of being totally
>content-free.
>
>So don't worry about it.  You're not missing much.
>
Nice try Graham, but you've had your free spanking for the day.  The next
one's going to cost you.  Insult my religious beliefs and my ability to
reason on my own, and you get a response.  The above drivel isn't worthy
of so much as an unsmiley.

When you have something intelligent to say, please speak up.  Until then,
we can ignore you too.  We won't miss anything at all.

	Ruth "sick of Graham's atheist drivel" H

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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:26:39 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Sigh
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:06:25 EST, "blomberg cepeda" <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
 wrote:
> Some people are just too damned predictable.
I hate to disappoint my fans...

> b."maybe I should just go back to sleep" c.
There there.  SShhh, now.

G
From: ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
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Subject: Re: Six Flags Over Hypoxia
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:14:08 GMT
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>was broken again to install an air scrubber to combat the rising CO2 levels,
>which is odd as it turns out that the habitat is leaking air at a 10% annual
>rate and has been since construction, which is why outside air has been pumped
>in.  (Yea, it confuses me, too...)  Oxygen content and air pressure, at sea

This is prettyy bizarre, John.  Sigh.  I had such high hopes.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:23:24 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Enough already
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I'm setting nomail. Someone send me private mail when this religious
bullshit stops flowing.

Later,
-abh
From: ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Emily Horning)
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Subject: Re: Sports and politics
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:28:00 GMT
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> The American League rookie of the year this year is Pat Listach of the
> Milwaukee Brewers.

And the NL-ROTY is our very own Eric Karros (the only shining light in the
Dodger organization this year 8-(  )

> Steve Karlson

Emily, who is looking forward to seeing the list-couple <K & K> again at
Thanksgiving! (And what about Steve K. in January?....)
From: CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
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Subject: books of possible interest
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:40:00 GMT
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Greetings,

I've just read reviews of a couple of books that may interest subscribers
to this list: *Hold your tongue: bilingualism and the politics of English
only*/ by James Crawford.  324 pp. $24.95 and *Language loyalties: a
source book on the Official English controversy*/ edited by James
Crawford.  University of Chicago Press, 522 pp. $44.95, paper $14.95.

The latter title comes in for special praise.

In related news, the Fifth Edition of Roget's International Thesaurus has
appeared (edited by Robert Chapman), $16.95.  A generous reviewer has supplied
this excerpt:

yes, yea, aye, oui, si, da, ja, yes sir, yes ma'am, why yes, mais oui,
indeed, yes indeed, surely, certainly, assuredly, most assuredly, right,
right you are, exactly, precisely, just so, absolutely, positively,
really, truly, rather, quite, to be sure, all right, right, good,
well and good, good enough, very well, tres bien, naturally,
naturellement, of course, as you say, by all means, by all manner of means,
amen, hear hear, yeah, yep, yup, uh-huh, yes siree, same here, likewise,
indeedy, yes indeedy, sure, sure thing, sure enough, surest thing you know,
right on, righto, OK, okay, Roger, Roger-dodger, fine, you bet, bet your ass,
you can bet on it, you can say that again, you said it, you better believe it,
so be it, be it so, so mote it be, so shall it be, amen, so it is,
so is it, agreed, done, that's about the size of it, c'est bien, that takes
care of that, that's that, that's right, that makes two of us.

Would a book like this make a good Christmas book for someone?  Damn straight!

Marty
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Gleanings (67)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:30:32 GMT
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In a previous article, bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer) says:

>
>l.o.l. = "Little Old Lady" -- the phrase is usually continued, "in 
>tennis shoes" to connote eccentricity by deprecating the abandonment
>of stylish shoes and the surrender to comfort and practicality.  Some
>of the sting has been lost nowadays from this second part of the phrase,
>since the fitness craze has taken over.
>
These days, it's every other yuppie "in tennis shoes", or maybe higher-end
aerobics sneakers.  Even the pinstripes figured out it's easier to get to
work walking on those than it is in shiny loafers or 2" pumps.:-)  I'm
a real rebel; I wear Eastlanders and ancient Docksiders for moving fast.


But on to other Gleanings [I can't wait to see what poor Akio makes of
the flamewar]
 
6)Radon House - a play on a radioactive gas [radon] and an American
publishing company, Random House.  It implies the opinion I have of most
of their books, and the measures to be taken while and if handling them.

7)Latex Masks/Freddie Krueger - The first is an expensive kind of Halloween
mask, based on hollywood horror movie makeup techniques. [sort of]  They
range from gorillas to political figures, the latter being the scariest.:-)
Freddie is the villain in a long series of horror films.  The first one,
Nightmare on Elm street, was IMHO pretty creative.  It's one of two
horror films I've seen and liked.

12)The Four Seasons - a swanky hotel in New York City, also a wonderful
piece of contrapuntal music by Vivaldi.

14)Anne Richards - governor of Texas, former Texas Attorney General, I
think.  SHe's a good speaker, and one of the few Texas politicians I
genuinely like.

23)Concerned Citizens - shades of flamewar, Batman.  It's a local political
party, that runs candidates in Connecticut elections.  They're mostly
Evangelical Christians of various stripes, some more in the fundy camp than
others.  Generally pro-life.  I would have voted for Millie the [for now]
White House dog, if she ran against Chris Dodd for his Senate seat.

25)Civil Rights Atheists/Christians - people who try to enfore the letter
of the First Amendment at the expense of its spirit.  A local bunch of CRAs
tried to prevent a group of kids from having a nondenominational Bible
study on school grounds.  They lost, partly on the grounds that the Bible
is a major Western philosophy text - and banning its study was as much a
civil rights violation as anything else.  This was part of the old argument
about what constitutes separation of church and state.
You can guess whose side I was on, especially as one of the kids is a friend
of mine.:-)

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:09:41 EST
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Words-L Weekly Digest
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11/2 - 11/8

The week begins memorably with involuntary Karen/Karsten revelations.
Akio sets in motion a discussion of the word "fvcc"; Carol gives the most
deft exploration of its nuances.  The election results provoke both
jubilations and jeremiads.  The prize for most accurate numerical pre-
diction of the outcome, as well as the award for Best Name in a New
Poster, goes to blomberg cepeda.   Travel memoirs:  abh's WHTMINYC (in
seven parts), rita's WHTCINYC (three parts), and neal's (perversely
titled) Long Weekend (three parts); interwoven with these is a thread
about why we bother to live in cities at all.  mgarber makes a surprise
posting from Akio's machine in Tokyo.  mKa disappears completely into
the contemplation of the Law.  Jim B. returns from honeymooning in
Cajun Country with Helen.  Bill M. is outed as an Opry fan.  As the
week ends, an argument about tolerance and bigotry re religion and
sexual orientation is heating up to bonfire proportions.

Respectfully submitted,
brad
  "Vae, vi veri veni versum vinum vici."
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:48:00 EST
From:         ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Danger
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>> at one point during the height of the Project H fiasco, suggested that
>> Jim Thomas and I were lovers.  No, I did not save the posting, but I'm
>> sure it exists someplace, and I don't feel libeled or slandered: merely
>> educated....
>
>I may have suggested you were licking his arse, or that you had got
>into bed with him, but I'm sure it was meant figuratively :-)

It was a strange time...me up Jim's arse...Natalie buggering the
dog...what a summer!

Ken