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From: elis@sco.COM (Elisheva Steiner)
Subject: Myna Bird
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 21:33:01 GMT


Hello Fellow Bird-Lovers:

My mother currently has a large aviary with about 30 finches,
2 sets of rosellas, 2 lovebirds and several budgies.

She has expressed interest in getting a Myna bird and I
was thinking of surprising her with one.

Any suggestions?

Thanks


Elisheva Steiner
Corporate Marketing
The Santa Cruz Operation
408-427-7252



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From: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Subject: Re: Fruit Fly repellent results
Reply-To: lafford@serum.kodak.com (Rick Lafford)
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: world, lafford@serum.kodak.com
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:58:54 GMT

The problem with the jar is that there is very little area for the
scent to excape through. I use a variation on the old bar flytrap using
a rectangular wire frame covered by an old nylon and a funnel thru the
top for entrance. I place an aluminum foil cup on the bottom and fill
it with any fruit or vegetable debris I have around. The flies crawl
around the nylon until they find the opening then go right in. The 
barn version uses aluminum screening and old meat for an attractant; 
fine for barns but tough in the kitchen ;-).

	Rick



Rick Lafford  Eastman Kodak Co.  | If you vote for the same old
Clinical Products Div.                  | lot, you'll get what you've
lafford@serum.kodak.com            | always got.  - me
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From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: Myna Bird
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
	<1992Oct13.202939.18728@ra.msstate.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:22:56 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.202939.18728@ra.msstate.edu> Moritz@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu (K.Moritz) writes:

> I have read that Mynas have the most clear sounding voice of all birds. 

I believe this. There is a popular restaurant in Mesilla, New Mexico
(near Las Cruces) named La Posta which has an aviary in its waiting
area.  One of the birds there is a Myna who greets you with the
sexiest, smoothest, lovliest, most dulcet contralto voice your
imagination could conjure. I'd _love_ to meet the woman who taught
that myna how to say "Helloooooo". :-}

--Doug
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From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:18:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Myna Bird
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds


I once pursued getting a mynah a while ago, so I'll tell you what I
learned:

Apparently, they're not being imported any more and very few people
breed them because they're not an "in" bird.  As a result, they are hard
to come by and when they are available, they sell for around $600.00.

I've heard they can be messy, but some of the messiness can be remedied
by feeding the pelleted food.  They're not as clingy a bird as most
parrots, but can be tamed to sit on your finger, etc.  They are
aggressive and would likely kill the other birds in the aviary.  

Like I said, I pursued getting one but never actually got one.  I have
no firsthand expierience with owning one but I did no someone who had a
Mynah once.  It was a neat bird.

- Bill G
From: wood-smithc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Chrissi Wood-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: A bit long, but submitted nevertheless...
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:26:20 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <ROBERTS.92Oct13162851@studguppy.lanl.gov> roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts) writes:
>From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
>Subject: A bit long, but submitted nevertheless...
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:28:51 GMT

>Hello, everyone. Here is a draft of an article that I'll be submitting
>to either BirdTalk, or perhaps another like-minded magazine soon.
>Enjoy, make comments, whatever...

>--Doug
I loved your story, and agree you should send a couple of pictures.  Please 
include one of Bandit!! He sounds like a wonderfully precious animal!! Try 
to get a shot of him grooming the cockatoo's.  
That was a wonderful thing you did to rescue that animal.  You may want to 
consider calling the authorities (SPCA ??) to report that store as abusive 
to birds.  That is horrible and they should not be allowed in business if 
they cannot properly care for the animals.
From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: egg-binding in gouldian finch
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:29:59 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA


I've heard that spinach most definately has a substance (oxalic acid)
that somehow binds to calcium and makes it unusable by the bird.  If you
feed her large amounts of spinach, I'd stop or cut back for her sake.

I once had a Zebra finch that was a chronic egg layer.  Although she
wasn't prone to egg-binding, I was concerned enough to ask the vet about
it.  He said that there are certain things that you can do to change
their environment, such as cover the cage earlier, fidgit with the
temperature, etc.  As a last resort, there is a hormonal injection that
will stop the egg laying.

I guess you should ask your vet.  I hope she pulls through.

- Bill G
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: WANTED:  Red-Vent Hand Raised Female Cockatoo
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:02:00 GMT


Please?!

They seem hard to get and dreadfully expensive.  My red-vent a few years ago
went for 25% of what one shop (that does have one) wants.  Please feel free
to email me.  Thanks!

					Bohdan


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From: jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw)
Subject: Teaching to Talk
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:55:04 PDT

My informal research indicates that repitition is just
o.k. as a form of speech training.  Many birds will
"tune out" a tape left on too long.  Respect your birds'
attention span and play the tape for 15-30 minutes max.

As a caution, I own a lot of secondhand birds and over time
it's the words that they have learned from having contact
with humans that are the most rewarding.  The repetitive
taught words pour out of my Amazon when I start dinner and
it's kind of annoying some times.  On the other hand the
words they have learned from living closely with me and
past owners are hilarious and more genuine.  The same amazon
learned to say "Yeah!" from the owner who taught him
"Pretty Boy", etc. and it is much more rewarding to have him
dance around and lift his wings for a shower while exclaiming
"Yeah!" than to hear him insistently repeating Pretty Boy while
I am washing the dishes. . .

Bird Talk did a survey of readers and somewhere around 80% of
the good talkers had gotten that way simply through being
included in the family life by having the cage placed in a
central spot.  I recently moved in with my boyfriend and
his dog "talks" to me to get my attention, this dog *never*
barked before I lived here, it's quite amusing.

----
jen@waffle.sns.com  (jennifer warshaw)
Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: African Grey Congos and Mynahs
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:29:56 GMT

Moritz@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu (K.Moritz) writes:

[Story obout bad pet store deleted]

>What do you all think I should do?  I don't know how to approach these
>people.  They have had cockatiels for sale that don't look much
>better but atleast they don't stay there long, before being sold.
>I've seen better, healthier animals at Walmart, Honestly!!! (the 
>Walmart here isn't nearly as bad as some, they have a resident
>boa constrictor and blue-fronted amazon.  Both are healthy, alert
>and active)
>What do you say, group?
>Kristin    

You might check if there are any aminal protection / animal rights
groups in your area. There are laws against mistreating animals.
It would be difficult to do anything much by yourself, but with some
help possibly something could be done.

Don't bother talking to the people at the store. They know its a mess,
and they obviously don't care.


-- 
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Robert Wiegand - Motorola Inc.
motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net            uunet!motcid!wiegand
Disclamer: I didn't do it - I was somewhere else at the time.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bhtongue@highlander.berkeley.edu (Benson H Tongue)
Subject: Kiree - new Goffin
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:48:53 GMT

Well everyone, since I'm sure you're all in suspense over the
final denouement of our bird search and acquire mission:

At 8:30 last night we added Kiree, a Goffin Cockatoo, to our
family. Kiree, born May 10, midnight, is probably female and
is about as sweet and well behaved as one could wish for. Even
during the trip home in a dark and scary cardboard box (tough
call but we all decided the box was preferable to scarier lights
and sounds of night driving) she merely called out at conversational
levels - no 100 dB Moluccan screams here! She's quite settled in
now in her spacious new cage. Vet check is scheduled for today
and then we begin the long process of making a lady of her.

BTW, for those considering a bird, Kiree, (and according to
our breeder all cockatoos), waggles her tail before pooping.
I've verified that Kiree indeed does this. Now this is NICE.
Our cockatiel also warns us but it's a bit more subtle. WE've
got our cockatiel almost 100 percent potty trained and it would
seem, given Kiree's convenient early warning system, that
she'll be potty trained real soon. I can't comment on other
species, but this sure seems like a nice trait to have. 

Benson
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: u911469@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Steph Spilsbury)
Subject: Re: What is your birdie's favorite type of music?
Organization: Uni of Tasmania
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:28:55 GMT

My budgies, Sir Simply Avacado and Lord Wembley Aquamarine (don't ask!), enjoy
INXS, Madonna and Transvision Vamp (unfortunately).

Let's face it, they're commercial, pop birds that have succumbed to media hype.
They'll start buying Prince albums in a minute!

Their dance style is amusing, sort of a cross between Axl Rose and Fred Astaire,
with a little trapeze routine thrown in as well!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: klimczak@serss0 (Peter Klimczak)
Subject: Re: Myna Bird
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:08:44 GMT

I saw 2 great looking Mynahs just yesterday in a pet store.  If you
live in the South Florida area you can view (or even buy) at Red Cannary
just off of I-95 and Commercial in Broward.

Peter.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Urgent Plea from the Father Tongue!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:57:32 GMT
Keywords: bartina+oriental rug=destructo bird

folks,

the following is an urgent plea from my father.  now, as you might
remember, my mom's african grey bartina has run of the house, and
amuses herself at times by chewing up the carpet in my old bedroom.
apparently her tastes have evolved to more exquisite realms, in 
particular the oriental rug in the living room.

the father tongue would like to know of any birdie repellent usable
on the carpet.  normally we place aluminum foil in strategic areas,
but the house is now starting to resemble a mylar ballon.  

his suggestion of dynamiting the birdie was rejected by the mother
tongue, for some odd reason.  :-)  thus, here is an urgent plea
from a long-suffering-in-silence (the tongue tradition!) man -

how do we stop bartina from consuming the oriental rug?

thanx in advance,

-- 
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From: jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw)
Subject: Yet Another New Goffins
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 13:23:30 PDT

I too, have just acquired a Goffins.  Her previous owner
was not home *at all* and the poor thing has chewed all of
her wing feathers to the nub.  My s.o. an I both work at home
so she will get many, many hours of company and fun.  She
is very uncivillized but after working with large parrots
I have to remind myself that that slight pinching is a bite
(we are learning "Jennifer's hand taming rules").  She is
very delightful if malnourished and sorry looking.  Her name
(bright red eyes, 95% chance it's a girl, though I saw a
breeding pair of Moluccans last weekend, both had red eyes)
WAS Handsome.  We are calling her "Miss Thing" until we
can think of something very cute that isn't nauseating.
Please Email me any great bird names you've heard, and
I will compile and post a list to this board.

How many of you Cockatoo owners have witnessed "seed hiding"?
I have seen this once or twice before, she breaks off pieces
of a pellet and tucks it inbetween her wing feathers or
tries to balance the pellet on the side of her head.  It's
a cute but expensive habit, she's gone through half a large
tub of Scenic in the last 4 days.

----
jen@waffle.sns.com  (jennifer warshaw)
Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652
From: ccwwcc@mixcom.com (Lynn-Anne Friese)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rats!
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:03:22 GMT
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.

From article <weoRfY200Uh7848fxq@andrew.cmu.edu>, by "Faye A. Miller" <fm11+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>
> Anyone out there have a pet rat?  I have the opportunity to get one that
> is in need of being rescued from a bio lab.  Do they make good pets?

I've had pet rats, and in my opinion they make great pets.  They're
intelligent, usually very friendly (just like with any other animal, it's
possible to find one that just isn't too friendly... none of the ones
I've ever been around were, though), and once they've had a few weeks to
get to know you, they can become quite attached to you.  (It's best
to handle them as much as possible the first few weeks for this reason.)
My first rat was the sweetest natured animal I've ever encountered.

Another good thing is that they're very economical to keep as pets, since
they don't eat a lot and are usually pretty healthy.   You can feed them
commercially available rat foods, and they'll eat almost any "people foods"
as a treat.

The only drawback is they have a pretty short life span (2-3 years in most
cases).  If you're the type that gets attached to your pets, it can be
hard to lose them in such a relatively short time.  It was for this reason
(and pretty much only this reason) that I've switched to ferrets for pets.


-- 
Lynn-Anne Friese
mixcom!ccwwcc%uunet.uu.net
ccwwcc@mixcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: rnakkula@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robin J Nakkula)
Subject: Re: Rats!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:21:23 GMT

Tim Mason, I got your e-mail, but MM mailserver bounced my replies right
back to me, and couldn't find u
you.  Most of my conncetions for getting lab rats were from my jobs as a
science worker before I came here.  With sufficient money, one could
contact the major breeders/suppliers (whose names escape me now) and
deal directly.  (The cost for shipping will probably outweigh the $2-6
charge for the most available age/size/gender combinations).

@@@---Robin Nakkula
d
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: jcohen@sco.COM (Jon Cohen)
Subject: Pooch Rolls In It
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 00:28:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets
Keywords: rolls in it



My spaniel pulled a great one the other day, locating a
spot in the woods that someone or some group had used as a
latrine and then happily rolling in the you know what.

(IF YOU SUSPECT THIS MIGHT BE GROSS AND DON'T WANT TO
 BE GROSSED OUT FURTHER, STOP HERE).

Anyway, it seems that the folks who had relieved themselves
in the woods had diarrhea, as the stuff was quite liquid.
My pooch just merrily got herself all slick with it, and--
of course--I was miles from home and had to drive her home
in my car, the trade-in value of which has now
drastically declined. Plus, she got all sulky and resentful
toward
me , when I made it clear I wasn't interested in petting
her --never mind a belly rub--until I had the chance to
give her a bath (which was no fun, I can tell you.)
Although our relationship is pretty-much back to
normal, we are still a little edgy toward each other
about the whole thing. Heck, we have been through
worse together over the past 11 years.

As I doubt there is any prevention for this kind of
normal canine behavior (beyond avoiding places that people
are known to use as a bathrooms), I am wondering what
inspires some or all dos to act this way. What possible
value is it to the canine species to "roll in it" this
way?


Xref: sparky rec.pets:3273 rec.birds:1732
From: vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.birds
Subject: Cockatoo
Keywords: noisy, destructive bird
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:45:32 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Hi, we've had a pet Cockatoo for the past twelve years. My parents were
taking care of him, but they moved out of their house and into a
trailor home. They want to put the bird in a pet shop, and it is
upsetting to all of us.

How can I take care of this bird in such a way as to minimize the
noise? Does anyone have any destructive, noisy birds? And how do
you deal with the noise (short of killing the bird, that is)?

Thanks.


Nick
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: 6845400@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Rat Scabs
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:47:50 GMT

You might ask your vet if you could give your rat some small pieces of meat.
I occasionally give my rat some very small pieces of turkey, beef, etc., she
really seems to enjoy it, although I make sure she doesn't get any thing
spicy. Also when I make a salad I'll give her a couple of garbonzo or kidney
beans, they also have protein in them and it gives her a little varitey from
regular rat food.
Good Luck,

                   Kathy
------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: rat scabs
From: chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:10:53 PDT
Organization: The Old Coot's (Spare) Almanac

Hi all.
 I have a pet rat who is about 7 month's old.  A while ago he got some
scabs all over him.  I took him to the vet and she said that he wasn't
getting enouph protien in his diet.  She gave me some rat pellets and at
first he liked them,(my rat that is.)and the scabs went away....
 ...how ever,they seem to be back because he recently decided that they
were not "yummy" any more.  Does any one have any ideas?  I would really
appreciate any sugestions about this.

           CHELSEA + MICKEY (MY RAT)

chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Chelsea Graham)
                  The Old Coot's Almanac
               Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
                    Courtesy the old coot hisse'f!

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: Auferret@CVMMDL2.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Subject: Re: Need Ferret Advice
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:35:22 GMT

In article <urf.719006280@sw2001>, urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
> 
> WHAT TO DO ABOUT A BITING FERRET

I've had a few severe bitters come to me. When the pop in the nose, whisker 
pulling, and shaking by the scruff didn't work with these ferrets I started
biting back. Sounds bad doesn't it. I bit their scruff until they screamed a 
little. It sounds harsh but it worked.
        Jenny
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: hartman@thorin.cis.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Re: Need Ferret Advice
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:39:54 GMT

In article <sauron.718985903@femto.engr.mun.ca> sauron@femto.engr.mun.ca (Patrick Ryan) writes:

>survived chewing on a live 240-V line with no ill effects.  When mine
>needs [needed, actually] to be punished, I tap (sharply) his nose, shake
>him till his little eyeballs almost fall out :v) and yell "Bad!".  He
>gets the idea after about 200 repetitions... :v)

I wouldn't recommend shaking them too much.  Remember they have a very long
spine, you don't want to risk back/neck injuries.

But I definately agree that the main thing is repetition and consistency.
The ferret has to learn that s/he will be punished *every* time s/he bites.

Two other methods that you can try (if nose-thumping isn't working):

1.  Tug his/her whiskers.  They hate this, and it can be very effective.
Just don't pull hard enough to pull them out.  Just firmly hold them using
slight tension.  It doesn't take much.  Remember the whiskers are 
sensory organs, and very sensitive.  This method is especially useful
for ferrets who like to "latch on" and not let go.

2.  Use bitter apple, which is a spray that you can buy at most pet
stores (or one of the many variations, bitter lime, bitter grapes, etc...).
Spray a drop onto one of your fingers, then when s/he bites, put the drop
into his/her mouth.  Or, just spray it all over your hands/feet/etc., but
I've found that it doesn't work as well that way.  (I don't like to 
use bitter apple.  It's too hard to use, most people end up goading
the ferret to bite, and this sends them mixed messages -- "here, bite
me, it's O.K." .... "BAD FERRET!!!")

Whatever method you use, *ALWAYS* do it in conjuntion with a loud "NO"
(or other consistent command)!
-- 
- Nancy

Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: cansoori@athena.mit.edu (Christina Ansoorian)
Subject: sick rabbit!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:33:42 GMT

Help!  A friend of mine acquired a baby rabbit from some kid who
belongs to a club where she works.  She said whenever he brought it
in, it always looked really grubby.  However, after she brought it
home, either it cleaned itself or her other rabbit cleaned it.

After about a week or two, she noticed a bald spot on its head, but
didn't think too much of it.  It grew larger, and a couple of days
later, it died.  

She now wants to know if anyone knows what it died from, and if it
is communicable to rabbits, humans, or cats.

If anyone knows what this might be, please let me know.  Email is 
best. 

Thanks!

Christina
cansoori@ATHENA.MIT.EDU

ps.  Please don't flame me, I didn't find out about this until it
was too late!

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: Thanks from my Hands
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:16:27 GMT
Followup-To: Thanks from my hands!
Summary: ferrets
Keywords: Ferret Newsletter


What, oh WHAT, is The Ferret Newsletter? How can I subscribe to it. My
SO would be so happy to get a newsletter aimed at ferrets. Please
e-mail me more information about it. I would also be interested in
starting a ferret newsgroup, but have no idea how to go about doing
it. If anyone else is interested and knows what to do, please let us know.
Deborah and Eric (the humans) Sting and Vera (the felines) AND THE
SQUEEZEMEISTER SKEEZIX (the ferret)


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