From: ghg0602@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gih-Guang Hung)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Community
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:14:00 GMT

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>It bears a contextual difference from Chinese-American but does
>resemble American-Chinese.  We know what a Chinese-American is.
>But what is an American-Chinese?  I've met some.  They are Chinese-ge
>and consider their motherland to be China, not the United States
>of America.

Well, I think it is a matter of definition.  I tend to view the word
"chinese-American" as emphasizing ethnicity first before nationality.
I would also view "American Chinese" as vice versa in its emphasis.
I would hence call myself *Singaporean Chinese* since the context of
chinese culture has been mutated to a large extent in Singapre and is 
secondary IMHO.  In another word, I do agree with you that ethncity is not
equivalent to culture.  But I don't think that it is accurate to say 
that the usage of the word "American-Chinese" implies what you said about
motherland association above.

>I should clarify this.  I shall treat people who are Chinese-cu &
>concurrently Chinese-ge in this way since those twits believe that
>Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge.

Sounds confusing but I hope you are saying :

"If Chinese-cu and Chinese-ge believe that cu = ge, I would treat them
nastily".

>military.  So, as long as the Chinese-cu baboons demand an apology
>from the current Japanese-cu gov't than the Chinese-cu should demand an apology
>from all 3 Chinese-cu gov'ts:  the ones from Singapore, the

I shall try to appeal to your logic here.  I am not sure why you keep
referring to Chinese-cu Singapore but I hope you can enlighten us.
If you are referring to all chinese-ge in Singapore as chinese-cu, I
think you are doing your own credibility and intelligence an injustice.
I notice that throughout your stint in various notesfiles, you seem to
have this strong desire to put down any nation and government whose
people have debated and disagreed with you.  I hope you have the chivalry
to take discussions at face-value and not generalise issues.
As western culture (which you so wholeheartedly embraced) teaches its
people to respect the individual, I hope you can extend the same respect
and courtesy in your discussion.

>But since the Chinese-cu savages think in this racist and bigotted way,
>I'll use their reasoning against them.  So, the savages want an
>apology from the Japanese.  Okay.  Then, the Chinese in Asia should
>also apologize for their crimes.

It is definitely noble of you to fight for universal justice here.
Hope you put your sincerity and kind heart to good use.

>>They consider themselves Singaporean Chinese.
>Yeah.  Just like American-Chinese.

Based on my reasoning at the beginning of this post, I would rather a
person emphasize his/her nation first before anything else.

>But I _am_ at liberty to apply their reasoning to the baboons _themselves_.
>So, if they insist on an apology from the Japanese, then I'll insist
>that they insist on an apology from the Chinese for their atrocities.

No problem with this.

>I've also never said that I wanted to "disassociate myself from the 
>Chinese people."

That's good.  At least, there is still a chance for peace.

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