HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Subject: Re: Goof2 Stolen at Gunpoint
Followup-To: Liberal plot
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:47:10 GMT

Sears sued by a customer for not putting waning label on their mower
telling him not to put his hand in the grass chute while it is
running.

Private airplane industry virtually put out of business because the
insurance premium and litigation costs are so high,it is impossible to
make small private airplanes at a cost comsumers will pay. In spite
of a safety record that is better than automobiles by a factor of
five on a death per mile basis.

There are no helmet manufacturers in the USA because of litigation
costs. Bell was the only hold until it became cheaper to leave then
fight litigation (although the demand for bicycle helmets was also a
factor).

In Portland, a home owner shot and killed a criminal on his property
and inspite of no criminal indictment, he faces a $5,000,000 suit
filed by the family.

The issue is not a 500 year tradition of law, but the perversion of
that tradition into a concept of no personal responsibility.  "It's
not my fault I got hurt, it's somebody else's" This screwy way of
living has done a lot to take the fun out of life as activities are
curtailed due to the fear of being economicly ruined if some one gets
hurt.
That is why there are not as many motorcycle races as there could be.
Anything new has now got to be 100% safe or it is highly unlikely it
will be brought to market.
There should be liability suits for issues of gross stupidity, but if
the person does it to himself it should be his problem.
When products are manufactured to a high degree of sofistication like
helmets or motorcycles are, the fact that bad things could happen to
a person that are an inherant part of the sport should not be a basis
for a lawsuit.
The liberals of this country will work very hard to be your mom and
eliminate anything that is different and could be of danger to you.
That is a fact that is provable just by reading the newspapers. Just
ask Ralph Nader, or Joan Claybrook (sp?).


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                    Italian Wines are Fine                          +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+          Fourth gear curves at 7000 RPM are the greatest!          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: ramarren@Apple.COM (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Another miracle - insurance rebate?
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:45:52 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

With auspices like this, it *must* be getting close to Ducati time.
=====
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Ducatisto In Residence"
Ducati 750GT, Honda VFR700FII Interceptor, Ducati 250 Mk 3
=====
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Re: Road Rider Interesting Road Report
Keywords: roads, good
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:10:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.83552.887@ms.uky.edu> styer@ms.uky.edu (Eugene F. Styer) writes:
>In the April, May and June issues of Road Rider, they had the results of a
>survey about "What is your favorite motorcycle road in North America".  They
>asked three questions regarding roads in each person's home state or province:

>New York - Recommended: Upstate in Adirondacks; Catskills; Finger Lakes
>   district.  Advised Against: New York City (Note: 21 negative votes for the
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   Big Apple as a motorcycle environment; 1 vote for "crusing the city"); toll
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Just for the record. I do not agree with this survey. I consider
all the negative aspects of riding my bike in NYC (theft, parking, cages,
potholes, taxis and all) a daily fortification of my determination to
ride. GOD-DAMN-IT!!!!!! It may be deemed clinically suicidal, but nothing
short of a quick game of Russian Roulette can give me such a feeling of
being ALIVE!!!!!!! (Oh yeah, 8->.... for those that need it.)

	We now return you to your regular postings.

>Eugene Styer - 402 Wallace, EKU, Richmond, KY 40475  matstyer@eku.bitnet
>"There was a boy named Eustance Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it."

Tony Wang

DoD#0122					This sig under construction
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum)
Subject: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:15:21 GMT


when does the newsgroup rec.motorcycles.harley get going?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Price Gouging? Really?
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:58:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.161605.26473@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>In article <16b57kINNn8@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>>
>>I suspect exposed fork tubes are more a matter
>>of styling, ie, the customer *wants* them that way.
>>
>>---
>>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>
>Have to agree on this one.  Having recently returned to biking after a 
>ten year hiatus, I was struck by the near universal styling commitment to 
>appeal to 18 year old males from SoCal. Happy to see some variation in 
>the form of the "retro" trend, but I'm afraid that any hope of
>manufacturers (esp the Big Four Japanese) making a serious effort to 
>style their bikes in a more utilitarian direction ignores the fact that
>they still see their primary market as viewers of Beverly Hills 90210.

I can't stand 90210, and I'm not from SoCal, and yes, beauty is in the
eye of the beholder.  Having said that, motorcycles in all forms are
quite gorgeous machines, and are also more utilitarian than other vehicles.
What could be more utilitarian than two wheels, chain drive, and
minimalist gauges?  Adding in swooping curves, waxed plastic, powerful
lines to convert motorcycles into sportbikes only adds to that
particular style of beauty.  Yes, of course black metal and shiny chrome
has its charm.  Yes, of course riders of Beemers, Hogs, Ducks and riceburners
find their respective nirvana in their own bikes.

Sportbikes are quite gorgeous, and the expensive bodywork is not just
for show but is aerodynamic as well.  The melding of function and form
artistically is to be enjoyed, not denigrated.

Or is that Denizen-grated?
                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
   mvij@novell.com                              \_/.  .  . . ........
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet forehead welts & itching
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:20:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug19.202017.28174
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug19.163614.7029@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>In article <3880113@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>>Does anyone have any suggestions [valid, not vapid :-)] on how to alleviate
>>the forehead welts and itching from certain helmets during long trips? Here
>>in CA we *have* to wear them so that excludes riding w/o a brain bucket.
>[...]
>>So, what works as far as preventing forehead welts and itching when we
>>take long trips? A headband? Big hanky? Nylon stocking? Bangs? ;-)
>>
>>Graeme Harrison
>
>I, too, have a problem with this.  On multi-day rides, I've usually
>lost the first layer of skin from my forehead by the third or fourth
>day.  Before the ride to Boulder, I added a strip of moleskin to the

The answer is simple:  Buy a helmet that fits properly in the first place.
Aside from getting my hair mussed up, I've never had any marks from
the helmet.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
George Bush claims to have neglected domestic issues in favor of foreign policy.
    Looking at Iraqi civilians, I'm glad we didn't have his full attention.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> Hmmm... this got me thinking, all my favourite bends, the ones I like
-> to nail it on, are left-handers too. I'll find some right handers
-> this evening, really go for it and report back. If I fail to report
-> in the next day or so then you'll know I had the same problem...

 Hmmm^2.  I just realized I also favor left turns.  I'm also
left-handed.


* DoD #978 * Please give - Fergie needs a silicone job.
From: slndw@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: oil recycling
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:09:23 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Question:

Can synthetic motor oil be recycled???

If so, can it be recycled with petrolium oil, or does it have 
to be separated??

-toot
DoD#3323

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: malodah@pbhyf.PacBell.COM (Martin A. Lodahl)
Subject: Re: Does It Exist? (Jawa?)
Reply-To: malodah@PacBell.COM (Martin A. Lodahl)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:08:34 GMT

In article <14AUG199213014547@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov> wbetts@mpx1.lampf.lanl.gov (Betts, Wayne J.) writes:
>Can anybody tell me if there has ever been a motorcycle company or model called
>a Jawa or Java, or anything similar?  I think maybe it is (or was)
>Czechoslovakian.  Any details would be appreciated.

Can't tell you much, but I've ridden a number of their products.  In the
'sixties they marketed a line of 2-stroke singles & twins under the 
Jawa & CZ names (yes, Czech).  They were on the low end of the price
and performance ranges, with a certain agricultural grottiness to their
styling and finish.  They also made some really excellent motocrossers,
some of which used gasoline-burning variants of their Jawa-ESO speedway
engine.  The speedway bikes dominated that variety of racing in Europe for
many years.

What I mostly remember was an odd detail:  the shift lever was also
the kick starter.  You'd press it inward with your foot to disengage
it from the transmission, which I believe you could only do in neutral.
After starting, just swing it back forward and it would click into
place.  An elegant solution to a nonexistent problem.
-- 
= Martin A. Lodahl    [DoD, AHA, NRA]  Systems Analyst, Pacific*Bell =
= malodah@PacBell.COM		Sacramento, CA, USA     916.972.4821 =
= If it's good for ancient Druids, runnin' nekkid through the wuids, =
= Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me!!  8-)} =
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
From: YuppieScum@Dollars.more.more.COM (Yuppie Scum)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:50:23 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: fubar

I cannot understand why any man with balls would ride a Harley
Davidson motorcycle or any other motorcycle when the PORCHE
is clearly the thing to have.  Dump those silly toys, little
boys and get into the real thing.  PORCHES!!!!  Harleys,
motorcycles, hah!  Whatdayagonna put your golf clubs in?
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Photo Radar
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:46:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug18.040805.28827@riacs.edu> dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer) writes:
>You know the photo radars, the ones you pass but dont notice until 
>you see the little trailer with the "You are going.." with your
>speed beneath? Well I drove past one today and guess what? It didn't
>do anything. I was a little nervous cause I wasn't exactly doing the
>speed limit. I thought that maybe it wasn't working so I went back
>and watched as cars went by. It worked fine. So I go back (the legal
>speed this time) and Viola! Nothing. Are we immune to this device?
>


You didn't by any chance repaint your bike with some funny black paint
you found hanging around at work, did you?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
	So just where did George Bush get the idea that he gets to
			decide policy for the U.N.?
From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:50:49 EDT
Organization: W. R. Slack


Dana Myers sez:
In article <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?

Not me. I've been countersteering my R75/5 since 1973.

Bill

__
wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack)  DoD #430
But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost
In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Visibility
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:37:22 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Aug14.103947.15922@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>
>Cager is a name so it should be capitalised, never and ever are normal words
>so they should not be.  Just my tuppence worth.
>
>I wonder what kind of English they teach you Americans nowadays?  ...

Do you capitalize other names like dunce, twit, and cheeky bugger?

Chas
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Liberals,Conservatives (was Goof2 Stolen at Gunpoint)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:14:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Aug17.210119.25008@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>
>Who wants to be your mother? Liberals? Conservatives? 
>
   And the answer is: THEY BOTH DO.

   Neither of the political parties represents their supposed
constituants any more, and both, being composed of lawyers and lawmakers
want to MAKE MORE LAWS.  Any time a new law is passed, somebody's
individual liberty is reduced.

  For some reason both of them view limitation of individual liberty as
being a Good Thing.  They have slightly differing views on which
liberties should be limited.

  Please do not reduce this forum to a stupid Dems vs Reps argument.  Go
home and watch the convention on TV.

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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
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| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: Gearing change on Honda CM400T?
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.175650.24710@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:
|> 
|> It looks like I may be needing a new sprocket on the back of my 1979
|> CMM400T soon, and I've been wondering for a while now about the idea
|> of putting a smaller one on the wheel. The effects I would hope for
|> are improved gas mileage on the freeway and perhaps higher top speed.
|> What other effects might there be? Should I do it? I guess I might
|> expect increased clutch wear due to the longer-gear starts in first,
|> but what else?
|> 
|> Particulars on the bike: The powerband (such as it is) kicks in around
|> 6,500 RPM, and top (fifth) gear is about 1MPH/100RPM (in other words,
|> the bike's going 65 at 6,500 RPM in fifth). The engine starts really
|> sucking the gasoline up around 7,250 RPM, and I would be hoping for
|> the new gearing to put the bike up around 80 MPH by that point.
|> 

	Are you sure?  I had the CM400T in '88, and I used to run it
	near the 10,00rpm redline, i.e. about 9000rpm, for extended
	periods, and I got to about 140 km/hr.  100km/hr ~ 60 mph for
	the US folks.  You do the math !

 	Maybe you need a tune up instead.



|> Comments? Please e-mail and I'll summarize if there's sufficient
|> interest. I just got back from the GPNDG, and won't have a chance to
|> clear my rec.moto backlog for some days now. Thanks much!
|> 
|> 	-- Robert Kennedy
|> 
|> Robert Kennedy					(415) 723-4532 (office)
|> robert@cs.stanford.edu				(415) 322-7367 (home voice)
|> Computer Science Dept., Stanford University	(415) 322-7329 (home tty)

-- 
  
    Craig Hamm, 
    Memorial University		   
    DoD #1500,           
    '81 Maxim 650 

	'A pancake? Jeez, all this time I thought it was a mousepad.'
    ----
From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New Kawasaki
Summary: 1100 Zephyr for sale in US
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:32:42 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <1992Aug18.130931.6458@linus.mitre.org> pab@security.mitre.org (Paul A. Bicknell) writes:
>I was at my local Kawi dealer picking up some goodies for my KZ
>yesterday and I happened to see a new bike. The sales clone said it
>was the first one in New England, was a 93 model, but was not for sale
>yet.
>
>Anyway it was a 1100cc standard, no body work, no fairing, just two
>wheels (the rear was massive), tank, seat, and a DOHC 4 with 8 plugs,
>air cooled I believe. It definately looks like a big brother to the
>550/750 Vulcan (? I'm not sure of the name of the current standard models). 
>
>Does any one know more about this bike?
>
>I know that there are a lot of closet UJM fans out there. I for one am
>happy that the manufactorers are filling that design gap between sport
>bikes and cruisers.
>

Sounds like the 1100 Zephyr.  According to what I've read Kawasaki 
decided to import it to the US based on demand by dealers for a big
standard to appeal to all of us who remember what motorcycles are 
supposed to look like. :-).  

It's been for sale in the UK (among other places) for a year or so
and has drawn mainly positive reviews.

BTW, it's interesting that the younger generation (I'm assuming) views
a _real_ motorcycle as "filling that design gap between sport bikes
and cruisers."  

Honda, by the way, is expected to have a competitive model as I understand
it in '93 or '94.

jsh
--
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   ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.  ms LL2-2B    |  UUCP:    ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh
   E. 22425 Appleway                   |  Ma Bell: 509 927-7034
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From: wsh8z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (William Scott Heyman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Gearing change on Honda CM400T?
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:14:26 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca  writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.175650.24710@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:

> |> ...and top (fifth) gear is about 1MPH/100RPM (in other words,
> |> the bike's going 65 at 6,500 RPM in fifth)...
> 
> 	Are you sure?  I had the CM400T in '88, and I used to run it
> 	near the 10,00rpm redline, i.e. about 9000rpm, for extended
> 	periods, and I got to about 140 km/hr.  100km/hr ~ 60 mph for
> 	the US folks.  You do the math !

Uh. (140/100)*60 = 84mph. 
    84MPH/9000RPM = 1MPH/107RPM. 

Pretty close to 1/100 if you ask me. He did say "about."

My roomate has a CM400T which I rode yesterday ('92) and I
noticed the same ratio.

>  	Maybe you need a tune up instead.

Maybe not. No matter how well you tune your bike the MPH/RPM ratio 
will stay the same in top gear.

>     Craig Hamm, 
>     Memorial University		   
>     DoD #1500,           
>     '81 Maxim 650 

Will Heyman		UVA Applied Math	wsh8z@virginia.edu
DoD# 638		CB450T Hawk '82		$5 Ultimate
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: UK_DoD list, I think...
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:48:10 GMT

Clayton Brooks (cbrooks@ms.uky.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug20.000430.7273@spuddy.uucp> biker@spuddy.uucp (Nick Pettefar) writes:
: >This is I think, all the UK members of the DoD.....................
: 
: Not quite:
: 
: 0032:Eugene Styer:KY:MATSTYER@EKU.BITNET (emeritus)
: 0148:Clayton Brooks:KY:cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
: 0272:Joel Abbott:KY:abbott@ms.uky.edu
: 0426:David Starr:KA:Starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
: 0527:Jeff Hewett:KA:Hewett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
: 0594:Jeff Williams:KY:jtw@ms.uky.edu
: 0606:Amir Sadr:KY:amir@ms.uky.edu
: 
: >0145: Paul Mitchell: Staffordshire/UK: pha50@seq1.keele.ac.uk
: >
: [bunch of filthy foreigners deleted]
: >
: >1965:Mark Bush:UK:Mark.Bush%uk.ac.oxford.prg@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
: 
: :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) 
: -- 
:  Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
:  722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
:  Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
:  606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD


I thought that uky was the University of Kentucky, not the United Kingdom
of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.  Strike me down if I am
wrong!


Nick (the Non-Kentuckian Biker)   DoD 1069  MAG 73516