From: coop1d11@bmerh301.bnr.ca (David Smith)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:56:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.215424.11210@sarah.albany.edu> ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.205604.23901@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
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>>This is a bizarre accusation which leads me to suspect that Ms. Shum 
>>identifies with Chinese-cu culture.


>
>It's bizarre only to YOU because you have this problem with dealing with
>people...actually, I shouldn't be so general...It's CHINESE people that you
>have a problem dealing with. To you, anyone who has a name that could even 
>REMOTELY be Chinese is immediately pegged as evil and "the enemy". You have yet
>to EVER have a civil correspondence with anyone who YOU consider Chinese. If
>you haven't noticed by now, I have dropped this -cu -ge business...your thinly
>veiled attempts to cover your racial prejudice with this -cu -ge terminology has
>failed. It is readily apparent that you choose to use these terms in any
>which way you can as long as it suits your purposes.  

Give it a rest, I don't think that's what he meant.   


>>"Chinese-cu" means "culturally Chinese".  "Chinese-ge" means "ethnicially
>>(i.e. genetically) Chinese".  I was not accusing the dimwit of being ethnically
>>Chinese-ge; I was accusing him of identifying with Chinese-cu culture.
>>I have no idea as to whether he is Chinese-ge or not since I've never met
>>him; however, he has admitted to identifying with Chinese-cu culture.
>>For about the 100th time, Chinese-cu != Chinese-ge.
>
>So this is YOUR explanation of your baseless bias against what you term
>Chinese-cu. You mean that every single person who has any hint of Chinese in
>them are guilty of the crimes that you perceive to have been committed either

Crimes?  Really now.  I think what he said was a joke.  I used to be Chinese-cu
and I'm not offended by it.  Now I'm a Twinkie/HoHo/Oreo/Wagon Wheels/ hmm...getting
hungry now :)

>against you, someone you knew, someone you read about in the newspapers,
>someone you read about in a biography, someone you read about in a work of
>fiction, a charicature depicted in a cartoon, etc. 
>
>>It's interesting that Ms. Shum thinks that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge.
>>Even more interesting is the fact that rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis have
>>the same view.
>
>My view on your "distinctions" is that they are full of crap! For anyone who
>KNOWS anything about ANY specific culture/ethnicity, they would be able to
>realize that it is very hard to distinguish between people utilizing such
>distinctions.

I disagree.  I mean, if you identify with the values of a certain culture,
ie: philosophy about life, relationships within and without your family, education (taking   a language course for example), way of living...etc

 and if you do
things in your spare time which identifies with that culture more than any other cultures
ie: listening to music, playing games (Mah Jong for example), reading literature which
    comes from or talks about this certain culture, 

you are Whatever-cu.  


Alex Feng         


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