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From: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: MIGHTY NUGGETS roster / starters for the opener
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Nuggets  starters  roster
Reply-To: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:26:44 GMT



The rumours are true: Chris Jackson will start for the MIGHTY NUGGETS
in Saturday night's opener against San Antonio.  After two years of
poor performances, the #3 pick from the 1990 draft has lost weight and
regained his quickness and, more importantly, his confidence.  Other
starters will be Dikembe Mutombo, LaPhonso Ellis, Reggie Williams, and,
if he is healthy, Mark Macon.  Macon sprained his right ankle yesterday,
two days after spraining his left ankle (somebody keep him away from
Todd Lichti dammit!).  If Macon can't go, Williams goes to the backcourt
and Marcus Liberty will start.

The Nuggies made some roster moves as well, getting themselves to within
one player of the mandatory 12-player limit by 6pm today.  Robert
Werdann makes the opening roster as Mutombo's backup at center, and
Scott Hastings will be used to backup Ellis (and at center as well).
Free agent PF Gary Plummer will open the season on the IR, for the first
five games at least, with a broken forearm.

The guard situation is still muddled -- there are six currently on the
roster.  Likely one will be traded or waived or placed on the IR or placed
on the suspended list.  Though recently traded-for Robert Pack does not
have a guaranteed contract, it's unlikely he'll be waived, since the Nuggs
gave up a 2nd round pick for him.  But he could be on the suspended list,
unless Garland gets moved somehow.  So the roster looks like this (after
Tony Watts and Ernest Hall were cut):


No. Player          Position    Ht.  Wt.   Age      College         Exp.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
43  Kevin Brooks        F       6-8  200    23      SW Louisiana     1
20  LaPhonso Ellis      F       6-8  240    22      Notre Dame       R
12  Winston Garland     G       6-2  175    27      SW Missouri St.  5
10  Scott Hastings      F/C     6-11 245    32      Arkansas         10
 3  Chris Jackson       G       6-1  170    23      LSU              2
30  Marcus Liberty      F       6-8  205    24      Illinois         2
24  Todd Lichti         G       6-4  205    25      Stanford         3
 1  Mark Macon          G       6-5  185    23      Temple           1
55  Dikembe Mutombo     C       7-2  245    26      Georgetown       1
14  Robert Pack         G       6-2  180    23      Southern Cal     1
23  Bryant Stith        G       6-5  208    21      Virginia         R
28  Robert Werdann      C       6-11 250    23      St. John's       R
34  Reggie Williams     G/F     6-7  195    28      Georgetown       5

(on the IR)
45  Gary Plummer        F       6-9  255    30      Boston U.        1

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
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From: jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (JJ H. Ehlers)
Subject: Suns beat Jazz last night (91-112 I think)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:04:06 GMT

Since nobody has posted, I'll try, although once again I don't have
any stats with me, so this is all from memory (I'm trying hard to
block out the game).

Last nights game was one of the sloppiest games I have ever witnessed.
Neither team played like a team capable of winning 40 games, much less
be a contenter like they are supposed to be.  The Jazz shot something
like 37% and Phoenix ended up with 48% (although they shot something
like 68% in the first quarter).  Phoenix came out strong and took
a 10+ point lead early.  The Jazz played the whole first quarter as
if they were still in the locker room.  They couldn't hold onto the
ball and kept throwing it away.  On Phoenix's side, Ceballos was in
a zone.  He couldn't miss.  It looked really sad for the Jazz, but it
was only the 1st quarter and we were at home.  Nothing to worry about,
right?  WRONG.

Second quarter the Jazz came out strong and pulled within 2 of the Suns.
Then they went cold and stayed cold for the rest of the game.  By half
the Suns were up by 10 and the Jazz never again got closer than 8.

After the game, Barkley was on the post-game show.  He didn't appear
happy with the play of either team, and made the comment that he
made 7 turnovers himself.  I don't know how many the Jazz had but I
bet Karl had around 7 also.  This game was really difficult to watch.
The Jazz would shot the ball, miss, rebound and put it back up, miss,
do that about 4 times, and finally Phoenix would get the ball and
repeat the same exercise on their end.  And turnovers...I remember one
sequence where there must have been 4-6 turnovers before anyone finally
got to take a shot.  This game showed that the Jazz really missed Mark
and the Suns really miss KJ.

One side note.  The Jazz had about 10 more fouls called on them then
Phoenix did.  The refing on both ends was very inconsistent.  They
would allow really physical play for one sequence and then call it
really ticky-tacky next time.  They also missed several really obvious
out of bounds calls. The Suns had 2 technicals called on them.  Barkley
got a technical because of the way he reacted to a replay, and Oliver
Miller got one for something he said after he was called for fouling
Karl.

Hopefully when the Suns come back in April both teams will have reached
their potential, and we will get to see a game between two teams who are
leading their divisions and are playing like they are contenting for the
championship, not like a bunch of high school kids as they were last night.
-- 
  Jennifer Ehlers                   
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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby)
Subject: Re: Vinny "of the Black", or Del Negro
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:24:40 GMT

cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers) writes:

>Can someone down San Antone way tell me why Del Negro only
>played four minutes on Saturday?  Injury?  Serious, or just something
>short-term?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Well being at the Mighty Nuggets opened I can explain this one
after seeing all the blood... Vinny got bonked on the nose
pretty hard by (I believe) Todd the Godd Lichti on a fast break.
Broken nose in 1st quater and we wasn't seen from again.

on a side note about the game:  most likely grubin and I will be
posting about a GREAT GREAT opener at Big Mac, Nuggets win in
2OTs and DTs #33 hangs from the rafters now.  We are both still
recovering from headaches as the joint was WAY LOUD (no joke)
but Nuggets Opener Reviews will come soon.

::j
From: subhas@ring1.rutgers.edu (Subhasish Roy Choudhury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Nets game on WOR ?
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:01:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I saw a Nets game on WOR (against Miami) last Saturday. Also there
will be another game this Saturday (against Orlando). Does anybody
know if WOR is going to show one Nets game each week, and if so on
which day of the week (all Saturdays ?)? Does anybody have a complete
schedule of games that WOR is going to show this basketball season. If
anybody has the info, please e-mail it to me at
subhas@jove.rutgers.edu. Your help is much appreciated. 

Subhasish
From: jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson)
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Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:12:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah

In article <1992Nov12.000505.23778@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>>jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>>
>>>	Now, here's a question.  Threatt holds an honor all to himself
>>>	in the NBA.  What is this honor?
>>
>>Only bald point guard?  :)
>
>Kevin Porter is also bald.

I think you mean Terry.  (I don't know if Kevin Porter was bald...)

Justin.
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From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Re: New Uniforms
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:18:55 GMT

In <1992Nov5.224505.13144@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>Today's SI has an NBA schedule that has all of the teams' road uniforms 
>on the front.  The Dallas blues have already been seen in pre-season.
>Atlanta and Phoenix also have new uniforms which I don't think they've
>worn in pre-season.  The Hawks' actually looks pretty cool; they've
>gotten rid of that stripe and slanted number and the style is more
>traditional.  Phoenix's jersey will battle the Bullets' for tackiest;
>it's too hard to describe.

What!???  The Bullets with the tackiest uniforms!!   What about the Sixers
uniforms!!  Are they using the same uniforms from last year?   Where's FloJo?
Maybe she could design them next time!!  Maybe, it's just wherever Barkley
goes, so goes the tacky uniforms (sixers, phoenix)

-- 
Brian T Odom
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From: luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni)
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:04:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <1992Nov11.142528.24931@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <BxIrxq.FCD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>	Now, here's a question.  Threatt holds an honor all to himself
>>	in the NBA.  What is this honor?
>
>Well, he's the only alumnus of West Virginia Tech (or is it West Virginia
>State?) in the NBA.  I think he's also the lowest-drafted player still
>playing.
He's from West Virginia Tech.  I roomed next door to him when I was 
getting my EE degree.  1978-1982.  It is unusual for a NBA class 
player to go to a mostly technical college with an enrollment of
about 3500.  He was next door to me on the 7th floor of the 
Highrise dorm, but we were not really friends.  I sure he doesn't
remember me.  But it would be good for a brush with greatness
spot on the Letterman show :-).  Funny he's playing for another
WV star.  Jerry West-one of the best guards ever to play the GAME.


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From: jmy51029@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joshy)
Subject: Re: Spurs???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:42:11 GMT
Keywords: Spurs, Elliott, Sean

scott@austin.ibm.com writes:


>>Are there any Spurs fans out there?  Granted they've lost there first two 
>>games, they still don't look that bad...
>>
>>Sean Elliott is great!!  Tarkanian is going to finally bring out the
>>superstar that's been locked inside Elliott these last few years...
>>
>>Is there someone out there who could post Spurs boxscores or news??
>>
>>joshy@uiuc.edu

>I'm sure there are plenty of Spurs fans waiting for the outcome
>of tonight's Home Opener against the Timberwolves.  It SHOULD be
>a rout!

>The Spurs looked terrific Saturday in their double-OT loss against
>the Nuggets, however, I must say...with 3 minutes and a 12pt lead,
>I would have taken their last few Time outs when Denver went on
>a 6-0 run which eventually lead to a 12-1 run and set up some
>play.  Daniels, Robinson, and Elliott were horrible from the line,
>which cost them this game.  



How can you say Elliott was horrible from the line, he missed like two 
free throws total.  He's the best free throw shooter on the team...


>Del Negro, which averaged 1 turnover per game, including pre-season,
>was bashed in the nose by Dikembe's elbow and will probably not play
>tonight, but who Nose.  Contrary, to a previous message, Del Negro
>does not suck and much as Kenny Anderson might have in the Spurs 
>rotation.  Let's accept this fact, Robinson is the Star and when
>he wants the ball, I rather have someone who will deliver or sink
>a shot from 20' consistently.

>Tarkanian has been working with several rotations at guard during
>the preseason.  With the injuries to Carr and Del Negro, the Shark
>will look to Daniels to bring it up the court.  Friday's game
>against Sacramento proved that Del Negro is the man against their
>pressure defense.  However, the Spurs looked awful against the
>pressure, turning over the ball several times during the second
>half.  The talent and chemistry is there in San Antonio to win
>the Midwest...Get Carr back in the line-up and play better
>defense (of course, we know Robinson's defense is terrific), and
>nail those outside shots consistently, then the floor should open
>up for Robinson and the great moves of Sean Elliott.

>Not to leave out Dale Ellis, he played terrific consistently 
>throughout Saturday's game.  This is a very potent team...
>so lookout Utah....

>-- 
> -scott g.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>    The Sharktank is Alive in San Antonio!
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From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)
Subject: Re: Suns Report: Phoenix dominates Jazz in Delta Center
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:54:40 GMT

In <1992Nov13.032510.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>Does anyone in the NBA wear a mouthguard?

I think BJ Armstrong and Kenny Anderson wear a mouthguard.

-- 
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: K. McHale / Celtics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:08:44 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>The key subs will be many..  The biggest asset the Celts have this year is
>their depth..  They have a second team that could start for a lot of teams...

>Their key subs will be 
>Kevin McHale at C/PF
>Joe Kleine C/PF
>Rick Fox at PF, SF, SG
>Kevin Gamble at SF
>Dee Brown at PG, SG
>Bart Kofoed at PG, SG
>Joe Wolf at PF, C...

	I'm not so sure about that.  McHale is ailing, and Kofoed and Wolf
	are reclamation projects.  Other than that, the other players are
	solid, but a lineup of Kleine, Fox, Gamble, Brown, and ??? wouldn't
	scare me one bit.  If U had that starting 5 and bench players lesser
	then them, I wouldn't bet on them winning any more than 20 games in
	an 82 game season...

	Don't get me wrong, the players are solid, and some probably could
	start individually for other teams.  But those 5 together as a group
	would probably be a disaster.

	Jazzy J

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Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 17:55:25 -0500 
From: Peter Stephen Lee <pl16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Denver Nuggets question

Can anyone tell me how much playing time Marcus Liberty and 
Mark Macon are going to get this year?
How have they looked in the preseason?

Thanks,

Pete
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
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Subject: Re: ALONZO!
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:12:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: rti.1992Nov10.221242.19186
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Nov10.202605.26969@unislc.uucp> gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd) writes:
>Last night I heard Scott Layden (Director of Jazz personel) discussing
>the Mourning contract. He went on to say the Faulk had a real unique deal
>going with NIKE and the Hornets. He said NIKE guarentee $16.million over
>either 4 or 5 years to Mourning and the Hornets pay and make the check of
>the contract between Mourning & Hornets to NIKE.
>Is this a scam or what of beating the salary cap or not!

I don't quite understand what you're saying here.  The idea of the Hornets
paying Nike, then Nike passing the money along to Mourning would seem to be
a clear violation of the cap rules.  I'm sure that's not what is being
proposed.

>So if the Hornets negioiate a $2.million a year contract with Mourning, NIKE
>will pay the difference up to $16.million from either $8.mill or $10.mill.

Having the Hornets pay Alonzo as much as they can while staying under the
cap, with Nike making up the difference between that and what Alonzo (or
Faulk, really) demanded sounds like a very innovative idea.  Nike wants
Alonzo playing, not haggling over money.  The Hornets need Alonzo badly,
but don't want to further disrupt the team to sign him.  Faulk has gone on
record saying how much he wants, but realizes Charlotte can't meet his
demands without screwing up the team.  Well, he doesn't really care if they
screw up the team, he's just beginning to think they won't do it.  Alonzo is
looking like the bad guy, which is definitely not in his or Nike's interest.

So get Nike to pay Mourning the difference, and Faulk can say he got the
deal he wanted, maintaining his tough-guy image.  Charlotte and Nike get
Alonzo out on the court, blocking shots and selling shoes.  And Alonzo gets
payed a shitload of money -- I doubt he cares where it comes from.

Assuming this kind of set up, the question is whether it's really worth
the money to Nike just to have Alonzo playing, or if the Hornets are going
to pay them back somehow.  If those numbers are correct, it seems like way
too much money for Nike to be forking over.
From: ksmoore@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu (Kevin S. Moore)
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Subject: Re: The Magic Johnson Thread.
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:47:22 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <Bx4x0u.5vw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>
>There are plenty of reasons for Magic's re-retirement Monday.  Number one, the
>NBA is scared of him, or more appropriately, his disease.  In the AP story I
>posted on here earlier, even Dream Team teammate Karl Malone had reservations
>about playing against Magic (even if he never said anything during the
>Olympics) because of this fear that even they could get HIV from him.  
>
   		>> Article Compressed <<

	It occurred to me that one of the reasons for Magic's retirment might
be the reaction of the players to him ON the court as opposed to off the 
court.  I'd heard rumors that there were feelings that other teams really
weren't playing him as hard as they could/should (possibly because they were
afraid of contact with him). I would think that maybe Magic might feel that
such reactions not only made it a different game for him (ie.- he wasn't
playing REAL basketball because he wasn't being treated the same way as 
other players), but in fact made a mockery of the game he loves.
I personally haven't seen any of the Lakers pre-season games, so I wouldn't
know if there was any truth to this or not. Anybody?

	In defense of the other players (if this were true) I have to say that
I understand even if I don't approve. I'm sure they are thinking of it in 
terms of russian roulette - if someone gave you a gun with a 1 in a 1000 
chance of going off and asked you to put it to your head, I'm sure you 
would think twice before pulling the trigger. True, the chances of getting
killed in a car accident are far greater, but there isn't somebody telling
you how dangerous that car is every single time you get near it.

just my $.02
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From: bloom@inland.com
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Subject: Re: Magic
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:23:04 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <7963@transfer.stratus.com>, halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.075956.1@tango.cchs.su.oz.au>, castillo@tango.cchs.su.oz.au writes:
>>  
>> Don't they (the NBA management) conduct any medical checkup/examination for
>> all NBA players every year or so?  Just an inquiring mind wants to know.
> 
> 
> 	I'm sure there is a pre-season physical. I doubt very much that a blood
> test for HIV is included. Something like that would have to be part of the
> Collective Bargaining agreement between the player's association and management.


An HIV test was included for Magic!  That's how they found out he 
was positive.  I believe the test was part of the insurance 
requirements by the Lakers.



> 
> 	What do you expect the NBA to do? Publish the names of HIV+ players as
> part of the league injury report? What about the player's right to privacy? You
> think the NBA would try to ban HIV+ players from the league? I can see the
> lawyers queueing up for that lawsuit now! :-(

No, but they do have the new No - Open - Cut policy for players.  In the last 
Bull/Pistons game, Isaiah Thomas and BJ Armstrong left the game a total of 
3 times to close wounds.  The NBA is saying that some of the players 
may be HIV positive (whether or not the NBA knows who they are, or even if 
the individual knows whether or not he is positive) and they will protect 
the other players from infection.
> 
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