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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Re: MTV animation (was: John K. axed)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:48:22 GMT

donnell@seahorse.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>You'd think that this dichotomy between what the viewers crave, and the 
>expectations of the network, would inspire NICK/MTV to realize that
>there are adults interested in creative animation. But no, they just 
>understand money.

Contraire...MTV is the single biggest PROMOTER of creative animation.
If it weren't for them, there'd be a lot of unrecognised animation out
there.  Not only LIQUID TV, Plimptoons, and such specialized
programming, but just the promos, lead-ins, and such.  
 
...e

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From: mccormic@lab4.smcm.edu (Scott McCormick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Arkham Asylum(was Re: Robin?? 9/29)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:08:10 GMT

The place where all of Gotham's criminally insane have been kept is Arkham Asylum.  Where villians like the Joker, Two-Face,  
Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, and Clayface have all taken up residence at some point.  Its funny when I watch it, because my roommate and  
his girlfriend are Psychology Majors and they try and decide whether the guest villian has a psychosis or a nuerosis.  There was a  
rather good graphic novel about Arkham and its various inhabitants.
Yours,
Scott from the middle of no where, St. Mary's College of Maryland
From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:16:37 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <ed.718340862@cwis>, ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
> 
>>Doesn anyone have any idea why alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy would be unavailable to some
>> USENET users? It's not listed on my menu at all. Thanks.
> 
> Some sites don't carry the alt.* groups.  Email your system
> administrator!
>  

My site gets many of the alt.*'s, most of which I could do without.  But the 
Ren & Stimpy newsgroup does not appear on my menu either.  *SIGH*

Joe
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From: guest@iat.holonet.net (HoloNet Guest Services)
Subject: Re: CREATOR OF REN & STIMPY IS AXED BY NICKELODEON
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:00:48 GMT

It would make sense to transfer R&S to MTV. That would be the safe move.
Actually I am suprised that no one complained about R&S in the first
place. It si pretty wild(maybe tame to the stuff coming out of JAPAN ie
Wandering Kid). It's Nicks fault for allowing a small compnay to be
expected to crank out an ambundant number of eps with quality. It aint The
Care BEars! I really don't think that the US animation houses were
prepared for the popularity of "serious-adult" animation. Wheres Family
Dog ?? Even Spileberg could not deliver on time! How is John K. ? I am
sure the real issue is the material. The one ep I saw with Powdered Toast
Man was out of control(but funny). They can say it's about not delivering
product but it's really censorship!

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux trivia factoids :...
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:22:42 GMT

In article <DAN.92Sep29095310@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:
> I fear that Mr. Chung may have partially failed in his goals with Aeon
> Flux, since almost nobody I know has commented on the woman's actions
> as anything but incredibly cool.

Didn't you ever cheer for the monster when watching a B-movie?  Same thing.

BTW, it's too easy to empathize with the main character, even if she's
a killer and all that.  If the purpose was for the viewer not to do so,
Mr. Chung did indeed fail.
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From: burtle@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William J. Burtle)
Subject: Re: BTAS: Two-Face Part II (was BATMAN TODAY (9/28))
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:01:06 GMT

>My, but this was a violent episode, perhaps the most violent of the
>series so far.  It seemed different from the first part, but the
>director and the teleplaywright (is that a word?) were the same for
>both parts.  The animation companies were different, though.

>Unfortunately, if this keeps up, either BTAS will be cancelled or it
>will be neutered, I think.


I've been closely watching the violence on this show.  It seems
okay to push and throw people on-screen, and an occasional kick
seems okay.  But most (all?) of the connecting punches have been
either off-screen or shadowed, or through a window.  But actually
the SUGGESTED violence and crunching noises and so forth have the
same kind of appeal as movie sex without nudity.  The suggestion
can sometimes be as/more powerful.

All of the sex and violence imaginable, though, could not be NEARLY
as offensive, revolting, vile, disgusting, and downright perverted
as that "steaming bowl of urine" baby-doll commercial.

-- 
William Burtle
University of Illinois
  at Urbana-Champaign
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From: jansent@ucs.orst.edu (Tom Jansen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Help on Old Cartoon
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:36:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvIEH8.Ew5
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU


     Hello,  I was wondering if someone could help me with the name
of a character in the old cartoon Dungeons and Dragons.  What I 
ask is the name of the Big Evil guy (one horn, etc) that was the
antagonist to the good guys.  Thanks in advance.
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From: chrisp@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Chris Pelkie)
Subject: Re: Fern Gully... anime or nyet?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:43:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.185228.9539@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
|> 	This past weekend, I rented Fern Gully : The Last Rainforest.  I
|> thought that the animation was breathtaking; some of the best stuff I've ever
|> seen.  My question is; could Fern Gully be considered anime?  I read the 
|> credits, and there was no animation done in Japan, but the smoothness, quality,
|> etc. was reminiscent of some of the anime stuff.
|> 
|> 							-MetalMaster (Ed)

I'm not knowledgeable about anime, but Ferngully includes a lot of computer
graphics, which may account for some of the effects you've noticed.
-- 
Chris Pelkie
Scientific Visualization Producer
Cornell Theory Center
Ithaca, NY 14853-3801
chrisp@tc.cornell.edu
From: jeff@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:47:31 CDT
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

>>       I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned where Music got his
>> start as a voice artist.  Back in the 70's, he was a writer/producer of
>> the Valerie Harper sitcom "Rhoda", and ended up playing the heard-but-
>> never-seen doorman to her apartment building, Carlton.
>> 
>> 	Hmmm, maybe I'm older than I thought. :-)
> 
> Not so old.  ;-)  But I thought it was the "Mary Tyler Moore Show" that had
> Carlton as the doorman...  Then again, it's been a llllooonnnngggg time
> since I've seen either one.  ;-)

 "This is Carlton the Doorman" appeared on the the show "Rhoda".  It was
 a few years ago......  But does anyone remember the animated prime time
 show called "Carlton The Doorman"?  It was a one show special that aired
 some time towards the end of the "Rhoda" era.  It was a great show; though
 I'm probably the only one who remembers it. ;-)

                           j-squared

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From: rlr@bbt.com (Powdered Toast Man)
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux trivia factoids :... (possible spoilers)
Organization: BroadBand Technologies, Inc.,  Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:34:05 GMT

  POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD!

In article <DAN.92Sep28135109@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
   dan@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:

>What I'd like to know about Aeon Flux though is this: Is this chick
>the villain?  I hated the segment at first because it seemed like
>further proof that SF films and tv are being taken over by brutal
>murderers

  OK, speculation time for me! ;)  Spoiler alert!

  First episode of Aeon Flux (meaning the entire 15 minutes, not the hack
job vignettes) portrayed a sort of Super Woman Assassin.  I mean, the
character could do no wrong.  She picked off everyone sent against her,
she kicked the begeezus out of the two random dudes fighting over the
serum, she completed gymnastic feats surpassing anything the human body
could possibly perform; in short, she was Unbeatable.  Her eventual
undoing was mere carelessness and an ill-placed nail.

  Subsequent episodes of Aeon Flux (two so far ;) portray the same
sort of assassin, right on down to the facial features (are they clones?
Hmmm...).  Except this time the character is far from unbeatable, she
gets herself killed at the close of each episode through incompetence
or stupidity.  For instance, in this season's premiere episode, she
falls from the aircraft as she recoils in suprise, she can't keep her
binoculars on her face, she nearly commits suicide, and she ends up
hanging herself.

  She's even worse in the second episode.  She does nothing right,
get's herself caught by the security cam, wastes valuable time and risks
her mission because she gets her hair wet and decides to brush it, and
eventually gets shot by being unwary.

  So what is Chung telling us here?  Is he trying to dispell the
superhuman killer cliche?

  Ron "Postulation" Rader

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From: btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman: TAS 9/30 Batman in my basement
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:50:07 PST
Organization: BBS

Wow! What a lame episode! Sorry, but that's what struck me as soon as I saw
those two stupid kids. Of course they get caught up in the plot, first getting
saved by Batman, then saving Batman. It made Batman seem like he was so weak
that two kids were better than him. This episode was made for the pre-teen kids
that enjoy films like "3 Ninjas". Later, the Home Alone scene! Argh!

I did think the Penguin was a good character, though. I at least liked him
better than the movie's interpretation of him...I liked how he called the kids
"commoners" and said that he would enjoy trashing their home (I would). I don't
know how many times I wanted those kids to get seriously hurt by Penguin's
thugs. Well anyways....just had to get that bit of steam out.

Tomorrow: The Cat and the Claw...is this where these episodes were originally
slated?

Bobby Tribble  |8')
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From: thomas@ozcrwl (Hugh Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Bugs Bunny
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:24:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton) writes:
: 
: Can anyone out there please tell me the name of Sylvester's son.  
: Someone recently asked me, and to my surprise I did not know it.  Thank you.
: 
: Signed, A concerned Looney Toon Fan.
: 
: -t.

--

  I was trying to figure this out a few months back. After asking around
and checking in a few books the only "name" I came up with was 
"Sylvester Jr.", or just "Junior".

Hugh.

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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:07:42 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:

>Doesn anyone have any idea why alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy would be unavailable to some
> USENET users? It's not listed on my menu at all. Thanks.

Some sites don't carry the alt.* groups.  Email your system
administrator!
 
...e

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From: rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: RE: PROPOSAL: alt.tv.batman
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:43:39 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science

>Would there be interest in creating an alt group for fans of the
>Fox network's BATMAN cartoon?  TINY TOON ADV has their own group,

 I say no!  without BatmanTAS, what would become of r.a.a.?
 all that would be left to discuss is old WB and disney (and
 some stuff inbetween).

rg
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: BTAS: Two-Face
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:45:54 GMT

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>In article <rdippold.717880294@qualcom>, rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>> Gawd, the animation on the Scarecrow was absolutely horrible.  The
>> mouth especially.

>Ah, that was a mask, in case you didn't know.  You didn't expect the lips to
>move like real ones, did you?

Not exzackly, but I didn't expect the only animation to be the lower
teeth lengthening and shortening.
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From: CARLOSLI@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Arkham Asylum(was Re: Robin?? 9/29)
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:18:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: auvm.92276.141826CARLOSLI
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Actually, that scene when Batman goes to Arkham Asylum reminded me more of
the opening of The Killing Joke, when he goes to see the Joker and walks past
the cells of Two-Face, Penguin (maybe not? It's been a while since I read
it).

Carlos Li.
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From: lutz@shredder.raleigh.ibm.com (Dave Lutz)
Subject: Re: Review of LTV Season II, Show 2 :...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:42:42 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.animation
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: dave_lutz@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <1992Sep30.124935.20560@ulowell.ulowell.edu>  bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
>       All right!  This is much better!
>       I saw LTV last night (9/29), and it KICKED *SS!!  There were many
>terrific films like "Glove Story" and especially "The Listener".   "Dog Boy",
>of course, could be fed to a large doberman and I wouldn't mind... it's for
>the dogs.  "The Specialists", of course, was excellent.

I must disagree!  I was totally bored out of my skull (with the exception
of "The Specialists") until the Aeon Flux short.  Especially Dog Boy.  What
a waste of TV space!

>       Finally, concerning AEON FLUX... well, now we know... there is no
>single plot line, merely a collection of short skits in which the female
>spy invariably dies at the end.  It is a great relief to know this at last...
>makes it easier to understand.  Although I did prefer the old, one-plot
>format to this.

I'm not so sure about that!  I haven't gone back to last week's episode to
try to fit it in with the start of last night's, but...

What if... last night showed us how Aeon Flux died (the first time).  Then
suppose that someone/thing gets to her body and makes a cyborg or something
out of her.  Then she tries to revenge her death by killing the guy who killed
her (what we saw in the first season).  I think this was the same guy she was
after last night, too.

I thought it was interesting at how imcompetent she seemed last night compared
with her swift, efficient, dexterous self of last season.  It could lead
credence to the above theory that last night showed her in her first (human)
life and last season showed her in her souped up (cyborg) life.

I'm definitely going to have to review last season this weekend! :-)

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From: agent99@kretin.infoserv.com (Wendy Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:25:03 EDT
Organization: Darkwing Tower

markb@cimage.com (Mark Bernstein) writes:

>       I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned where Music got his
> start as a voice artist.  Back in the 70's, he was a writer/producer of
> the Valerie Harper sitcom "Rhoda", and ended up playing the heard-but-
> never-seen doorman to her apartment building, Carlton.
> 
> 	Hmmm, maybe I'm older than I thought. :-)

Not so old.  ;-)  But I thought it was the "Mary Tyler Moore Show" that had
Carlton as the doorman...  Then again, it's been a llllooonnnngggg time
since I've seen either one.  ;-)

Oh, you forgot to mention that Carlton always sounds like he's got a
snootful.  ;-)  Least that's what I remember.

 --
 Wendy Lee (agent99@kretin.infoserv.com)
 "Who writes for this show anyway?  They're going out of their way to make
  me look bad!" -- Darkwing Duck
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From: bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener)
Subject: Fern Gully... anime or nyet?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:52:28 GMT

	This past weekend, I rented Fern Gully : The Last Rainforest.  I
thought that the animation was breathtaking; some of the best stuff I've ever
seen.  My question is; could Fern Gully be considered anime?  I read the 
credits, and there was no animation done in Japan, but the smoothness, quality,
etc. was reminiscent of some of the anime stuff.

							-MetalMaster (Ed)
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: CREATOR OF REN & STIMPY IS AXED BY NICKELODEON
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:22:06 GMT
Reply-To: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <ed.717678981@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>
>I hear Bob Camp, who's heavily involved in the show as it is, will be
>taking over.


I can't imagine who's going to replace John K. as the voice of Ren.




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From: lthompsn@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Adventrues of the Galaxy Rangers
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:12:44 GMT

In article <20SEP199218224826@zeus.tamu.edu> smt8107@zeus.tamu.edu (THOMPSON, SCOTT MCCONNELL) writes:
>
>	Greetings.  I am still looking for any and all information I can get on
>the 1985 (or so... ) animated series, "Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers."  I am 
>specifically looking for technical information on the world/genre's historical,
>political, and technological backgrounds.  If anyone has any information, or
>knows where I can get any such information, please write back, or e-mail me.
>
>					Scott Thompson
>
>

I am interested as well; I've managed to make a fairly accurate episode guide
but any other information would be great.

Lee Thompson (no relation :) )


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From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman TAS (BTAS) WOW!
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:51:32 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

PLEASE come up with an abbreviation that all you BTAS'ers will use in
your subject lines!  And then USE IT!

I don't want to have to put "batman" in my kill file because I am a big
fan of the old TV series (you know, the real campy one!)  But I don't
follow BTAS at all.

Please settle on BTAS or BatmanTAS and encourage each other to use it!
I'd hate to have to take drastic measures and flood the newsgroup with
Tiny Toons articles!  ;-)

Sorry if I sounded a BIT harsh, but I've felt like I'm looking for a
needle in a BatmanTAS haystack lately!

Jann "Holy Mush, Batman!" VanOver
vanover@atc.boeing.com
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From: lthompsn@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Plimptoons (was Re: Review of LTV season II)
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:54:54 GMT

In article <al.717357179@iris> al@iris.claremont.edu (Aotearoa) writes:
>
>Which was absolutely *amazing*.  Does anyone have any information on his
>feature film, I believe called simply _Toon_, or info on how/where I may
>purchase the collection of his shorts on video tape/disc?
>

Lumivision has just recently released a collection of Plimptoons on laserdisc.
The disc is in CAV format and I think it's around $34.95.

Here is a mail order laserdisc dealer (I am posting this for convienience and
have no affiliation)

Sight & Sound
27 Jones Road
Waltham, MA  02154
(617) 894-8633


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