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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Give a medal to their marketing department
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:26:15 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <56583@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	I just saw an advertisement for a piece of software to be used with
>the Video Toaster.  Well, maybe it's just me, but I simply cannot take a
>program called "WipeMaster" seriously.  It sounds like a digital toilet bowl
>accessory.

	Yes, now even you can wipe in thousands of different
ways--Control the toaster to perform digital wipes that will knock
your cervical cancer into remission!  Up, down, sideways, they're all
trivial.  And these are video-clean wipes, too, so you won't get any
"artifacting" on your video screen, should you happen to brush up
against it, after the wipe!

	These wipes aren't 2 or 4-ply, they're a full 24-bits deep!
There is even full control for "organic" wipes!  WipeMaster has
everything, from sheepskin, to whole sheep!  Cows wipe the area
completely clean with only the press of a button.  Amaze your friends!
Fun at parties!

	Included with every copy of WipeMaster is the desk accessory
"Flush", which removes unwanted waste from your disks, with a
soothing, ocean-side sound.*

*Warning:  Not for use with hard-water systems.

Sounds almost as cool as BLAZEWIPER, doesn't it?  Of course, if you've
played BLAZEMONGER, you'd understand the need for this one--you know
the saying, "First you say it, then you do it!!!"...

Greg
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From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Portable Computer Nerds! was RE:Notebook Co??uters Do?inate Co?dex
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:47:46 CST
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy 
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

>>a)  Does anyone actually want a portable Amiga with a monochrome LCD screen
>>    not capable of the resolutions/scan rates that make the Amiga unique?

There is definitely a market for it.  But honesly given that the Amiga
market is small itself...

>>f)  Maybe because they hear people rant and rave about how terrible the
>>    company is, and how horrible the computers are, which drives sales down,
>>    which takes money for R&D out of their pockets, and makes them feel
>>    there's no market for such a beast.

I've been quite impressed with C= as of late summer and on.  I see
signs that they certainly are responding to customer and developer
concerns.  However I think one reason they have not been as successful
as they might have been is that they *weren't* paying attention to
customers in the first place.

Notebooks are very hot now not because MAC or IBM has snappy ads that
made them so.  Notebooks are hot because they represent the next stage
of computing.  Look at any of the global market centers for high
technology.  

IN Japan RIGHT NOW, Compaq (or is it compac?:) is the first computer
company to make significant strides in the NEC & Fujitsu dominated
domestic market with LAPTOPS!  I've needed a laptop for as long as
I've had a computer.  I doubt there are many people who don't spend
significant time away from their computer that could be better spent
if they had access to their computer.  Of course my wife may be right
when she says I spend too much time in front of my computer already,
so on second thought maybe it is better C= doesn't have a laptop.  I
would probably be accused of being even more of a "computer geek" than
I already am then...
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:17:20 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:

> It SHOULD not be necessary at all.
> 
> The problem won't go away by "understanding" crooks.  It will go
> away when the majority start enforcing morality.  Report thievery.
> Refuse to participate.  Hit the sumbitch in the mouth.  Do
> SOMETHING to communicate that you're not going to stand for it.

Well, send me a postcard from Utopia and I'll give you right. Until 
then I think the need for better protection and so on will stand.

You will just have to realise that people don't want to pay money for 
something they can get for free. In the greed vs morality case I think 
greed wins the most cases. You may call me a pessimist but I consider 
this the reality and we should work from the reality and not how it 
"SHOULD" be.


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"Property is theft." / Pierre Proudhon
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  300 MIP Amiga
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Nov 92 01:37:28 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov12.232017.21441@mksol.dseg.ti.com> stevew@convx1.dseg.ti.com (Steve Wootton) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.154520.16411@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jhp3x@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Howard Porter) writes:
>>What would the cost of an ALpha based AMiga be?? I recognize the
>>incredible speed it has... but doesn't this carry a high price tag?
>
>Depends on what you consider a "high price tag."  The November 9, 1992
>Computerworld says:
>
>DEC 3000 400 AXP  $15,000  128Mbytes RAM   110 SPECmarks
>    4000 AXP      $77,000  512Mbytes       135 SPECs (single CPU, 2 avail)
>    7000 AXP     $168,000    2Gbytes       165 SPECs (single CPU, 6 avail)
>   10000 AXP     $316,000    2Gbytes       NA        (up to 6 CPUs avail)
>
>The $15k 400 is the "low-end desktop model."  Looks like you can get Open
>VMS and a developer's version of OSF/1 this week, and the end-user version
>of OSF/1 by 2nd quarter, 1993.  The 10000 doesn't seem to be available just
>yet, so keep your checkbook closed :-)

So, do you have the cash to buy a $15000 home computer?

And I bet that the $15000 doesn't include the license fees for VMS or OSF.

DEC software is very, very expensive.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:46:02 GMT

In article <jbickers.0ip9@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Nov18.033729.11121@ncsu.edu> by linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville):
>
>> were playing themselves, the clocks were going, and the music players were
>> playing, I'd say that not all of them were dead in the water.
>
>    Music player_s_? Were they using different output devices, or is
>    this example full of shit?

Neither.  OS/2 lets me run two different music players that output to the same
device at the same time.  I presume by your response that the Amiga does not
provide this level of hardware virtualization.

John W. Linville




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From: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NEWTEK: WHAT HAPPENED?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:08:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1992Nov19.050929.14127@rmece49.upr.clu.edu> raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez) writes:
>   Well, all I can think of it is that maybe they are working on a real-time
>stuff to digitize full motion video.  But then, is NewTek the same
>'Amiga guys' that they used to be?  I highly doubt it. 
>
>   I have started to work with a Video Toaster finally, and I have been
>reading the manual.  They barely mention the word AMIGA!  Even they don't
>tell the users that they are seeing the Amiga Workbench which is part
>of the OS (maybe in other parts of the manuals, but not usually).  
>They just call it 'workbench' and that's it.  UGH!
>
>   On the other hand, they mention the Mac and PC quite a few times...
>it's incredible... I guess that NewTek will be mega-tempted to make 
>a real Toaster for the PC's since they have such a huge market share,
>even if it costs say, $1000 more than the Amiga version.

From what I've heard, they've had a falling through with CBM, and CBM
isn't too happy with them either.  Did you notice the post by CATS about
OpalVision, and it's merits as a video productivity tool?  But no Toaster?

I think NewTek is about to jump Amiga ship and hop on the Mac/IBM bandwagon.
That's why they've had so much more Mac/IBM coverage than the Amiga.
Why would anyone need to use a Mac to control the Toaster when you can control
it with the Amiga itself?  It has to be a defection.

-- 
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Accelerators, and CPUless Amigas...
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.211356.6808@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu
(Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:

>Say I want to spend $1200 on a 3000/16/40 and $829 on a 25mhz '040
>accelerator (my credit card will stretch that far)... will I be able
>to by a CPU less 4000 logic board, or use my accelerator on a 1200
>when I get a bit more money and these systems become available?

An A3000/16 with an accelerator and RTG would make a nice cost-effective
system, but why wouldn't you simply buy an A4000/030 and upgrade the
CPU module? The A4000 motherboards will likely be available only as
trade-ins for defective ones, and the A3000 '040 accelerator will
definitely not work in the A1200. Integrated accelerators for the
A1200 should be forthcoming however. At $249.95 list, an A1200 version
of the the CSA Derringer (A500/A2000) would seem to be a likely
bet. Same goes for the Progessive A500/040.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:30:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 <BxMwAE.L5H@starnine.com><1992Nov14.131846.1672@msus1.msus.edu>
  <torban.721901669@csuvax1><69657@cup.portal.com>
  <92322.143017CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu>

>>You are allowed to make tapes of stuff from the airwaves, as long as its
>>for personal use only. Its only a copyright violation if you try to sell it.
>>
>Gee, does this mean that it's ok to copy software as long as I don't sell it?

Actually, you can copy your software all you want. As long as its for personal
use. So if you bought Space Boogers (r), you could copy it all night long.
As long as no one else got these copies.

But I was specifically answering the question of copying Television shows
from the air in the United States.

>(I can't wait to see how many people accuse me of being a pirate.

I'll bet you sing "yo-ho yo-ho a pirates life for me" in the shower.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Please use a different typeface, [was: Re PC, etc]
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:41:09 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Jayson Phillips [also others]:  Please discontinue using
proportional fonts when posting messages, it makes them difficult to read
and chews up storage/memory.


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:11:51 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Nov16.205351.9965@cs.mun.ca> colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin) writes:
>But 3.0 works fine on ECS machines. WB2.1 contains everything an ECS only
>user needs from 3.0. 

Not.

DataTypes and AmigaGuide are both two BIG things that aren't in 2.1,
but are in 3.0 in full force.

Greg



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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: What's the story with Commodore marketing?
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:40:45 GMT

In article <92320.192105CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Chris "Slothman" Stoy <CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> I was at the local mall a couple days ago and decided to stop into Electronics
|> Boutique to see if they had any new Amiga stuff.  After searching the store for
|> a few minutes, I finnaly asked the clerk were the Amiga software is. He said
|> that they didn't cary any and had no plans to in to future.  In fact, he said

Not to defend Commodore marketing in ANY WAY, but this doesn't seem like much
of a Bad Thing to me. EB has always been one of the most overpriced, unhelpful
stores in the business, and I made a promise not to patronize them long before
they dropped the Amiga line.

However, J&R Computer World cutting back HEAVILY on their Amiga support is a 
VERY bad thing. J&R is one of the most respected names in the audio/video/comp-
uter business, and just about every New Yorker has been to their store once
or twice.

(For those that haven't gone lately... they're EXPANDING, believe it or not!
They now cover half of a city block... and the computer department has moved
out of the basement and into its own very nice two-floor location right next
to the old stores...)

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|> cms129 at psuvm       |  mine but those of my pet hamster Gizmo. HE'S
|> cms129@psuvm.psu.edu  |  responsible for this! Blame him!        ^^^^
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From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re:   Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an
Reply-To: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:47:03 GMT

In article 8626@usl.edu, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.073022.9208@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se writes:
> >In article 02vr@rkamiga.UUCP, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> >
> >> >* A PC is a PC even if it uses single of multiple user UNIX like SCO 
> >> >  Xenix, Interactive IX and so on.
> >> 
> >> Then why is a 486/33 running UNIX and X11 faster than a SUN IPX?
> >
> >Who said that? How was the machines configurated? Were both running
> >in a network?
> 
> RISC or not, the IPC CPU seems pretty low-end.  Isn't it the same one used in
> the ELC?

We talked about Sun IPX and not IPC. It's possible IPC's have the same CPU
as ELC, but I don't know much about it.
I know that a IPX with a GFX-card is something real nice to play with though.
(The guy sitting in the room next to mine has one)
 
> 
> >> Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.
> >> 		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
> >/ Tomas Pihl
> >/ email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
> -- 
> Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
> "There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
> lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                         -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

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/ Tomas Pihl
/ ELLEMTEL Telecom Systems Lab, Sweden
/ email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
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From: rcormac@mark1.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell)
Subject: Re: Weak-mindedness & piracy & drugs (oh boy) (LONG)
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs
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Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:21:03 GMT
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Note follow-ups redirected to talk.politics.drugs

dingebre@imp.sim.es.com says:
>In article <Bxv9z6.I5D@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>> In article <BxuDML.CA0@starnine.com>, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) says most sayishly:
>> >In article <Bx9n9K.943@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>
>Ranting removed to protect the innocent..
>
>> >
>> >>No, try I'm realistic.  And "piracy is wrong" is about as
>> >>weak and diluted as "say no to drugs."
>> >
>> >Both good ideas.  Or do you do drugs too?
>> 
>> No, they're not good ideas, you bloody conformist.  They're society's
>> ideas and what they want you to do/believe.  Sheesh, get a mind of your
>> own.  Why is "say no to drugs" a good idea?  Sure, I agree piracy is
>> wrong, but when it comes to drugs, the govt. has no right to tell us
>> what we put in our bodies.  So you must be one of those fools who thinks
>
>You just sound like a fool...
>
>A ton of blithering deleted...
>
>
>-- 
>	David

Have you ever drank milk? Ooh you've used the amino acid tryptophan,
banned by the FDA. Ever had a can of coke or a cup of coffee? Oooh,
you've used a substance more toxic and addictive than marijuana. Ever
used alcohol? How about sugar? Tylenol/Aspirin/Ibuprofen? All drugs.
Piracy is wrong because it involves the theft of somebody else's
property without their consent, please tell me what is wrong with
drinking a can of coke, relaxing at night with a mug of hot chocolate,
etc. Legality is not the issue, tobacco is more addictive than heroin
and alcohol is the drug responsible for more violent behaviour than
any other, people have died of aspirin overdoses, nobody ever died of
marijuana overdose... You can't substantiate your position (which you
don't even state clearlt) so you engage in an ad hominem attack.
Impressive. (That was sarcasm for those of us who are sarcasm-noticing
impaired)
Anyhow...
   Blessed Be,
      Cormac

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                      rcormac@occs.cs.oberlin.edu           
Vote Libertarian in 92! Marrou/Lord!
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:44:56 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Nov16.171010.1412@dct.ac.uk> mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm) writes:
>
>If C= programmers are obeying their own rules about using the AGA chipset,
>why won't WB3.0 be available on ECS machines?

It can run on ECS machines, in fact I'm typing this here on an A3000 running
under 3.0. BUT: You need a KS 3.0 ROM (or some soft-kicked A3000 like this
here). So, if someone already has a 2.04 KS ROM, he can very easily (only
some disks) upgrade to 2.1, get over 90 % of the functionality of 3.0,
without needing a new ROM!

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From: nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:58:49 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>>>very noticable on any machine.  
>>
>>OS/2 ray-tracers never kill my system.
>>
>>John W. Linville

>John, can you suggest a OS/2 ray tracer and where I can get it?

I would also like to know this.
Thanks.
From: FAA102@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shut the fuck up!!!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:15:38 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <By4sKK.AAL@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, gcastrat@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(Giancarlo Castrataro) says:
>
>     This is comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, man!  Why not hide out in
>comp.sys.ibm.pc
>or comp.sys.amiga.misc if ya can't handle it?  Personally, I enjoy listening
>to people arguing about computers and I don't need someone telling me that
>comp.sys.amiga.advocacy stinks.
>     Note: it's one thing to just say "mine's better"; it's another thing to
>say "mine can do *X*X* resolution in *fps"; the "mine's better" people go into


I aggree. That's what comp.sys.amiga.advocasy is for.
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