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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: America's Team Crap (was Re: Thanksgiving)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:41:56 GMT

>In article <2208@shaman.wv.tek.com> danba@pogo.wv.tek.com (Daniel J Balza) writes:
>
>>The reason I started hating the Cowboy's is because of this
>>AMERICA'S TEAM crap.  I was just starting to think think that
>>they were OK (new coaches, players. etc..) and now you tell me 
>>they're going to start it all over again!!!  Nobody can tell me
>>who my team is!!
>
>No kidding!  I couldn't have said it any better myself.  I've always
>hated the Cowboys because they tried to shove them down our throats
>as America's Team.  And I too was just starting to like them a bit
>because of their youth and rejuvenated organization (even though they
>built the damn team with all of my Vikings' draft picks).  But now
>they're doing it again... already one CBS halftime special on America's
>Team.  Of course, I had extra reason to hate them since I grew up with
>a bunch of relatives who were die-hard Cowboy fans who claimed that the
>reason for the "hole" in the ceiling of Texas Stadium was so that God
>could watch his team play.  (Gag, cough, wheeze).
>
>Jim

I grew up in the Dallas area, and heard the America's team and God's team
stuff, but I (and no one else I know) really thought too much about it.

Now though, I'm surrounded by Raider fans, Seahawk fans, Bronco fans..
I always call Dallas "America's Team" because it pisses them off so much.
Heh.

GT

BTW, to clear up another misconception, the reason everyone gets Thanksgiving
off is so they can see America's team play.
Heh, heh.
From: twiggy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tah-suey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oilers Against NFC Teams.
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:32:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <BxMDpM.9B0@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:

>This reminds me of their last season's game against the Redskins,
>where they gave the hogs a scare of their lives. I think a
>missed field goal by the Oilers cost them the game and after
>the game the field-goal kicker was releived of his duties
>by the Oilers. Someone care to throw more light on this.

The kicker's name was Ian Howfield.  If I remember correctly, he had missed
a 19 yard field goal in the last seconds of the game to win it for the Oilers.
The game went into overtime, and the Redskins won with a field goal.  The story
on this guy was quite interesting.  He was sitting in a bar in Oklahoma before
the start of that season, and saw on TV that the Oilers needed a place kicker.
He tried out and made the team.  But of course, after that missed field goal,
he was dismissed.  (Incidentally, the Oilers lost a game a couple of weeks
back to the Steelers because of a missed field goal in the last seconds of the
game....Even before the kick, I couldn't help but think back to that game 
against the 'Skins...lo and behold, Al del Greco did little to reinstill my
faith in the Oiler's kicking game, even though this time it was something
like a 40+ yarder.)

-Allen

-- 
En-Lin Allen Tsuei                 |   University of Texas at Austin
E-mail:twiggy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu   |   Electrical Engineering

		
				   
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:31:07 GMT

In article <1e6on2INNc3j@sal-sun99.usc.edu> tehyang@sal-sun99.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang) writes:
>RAMS 27 DALLAS 23 !! 

What with the Cowboys, Skins, Vikings, and Eagles and (almost the 49ers) losing
today... I would like  to dedicate November 15 as ANY GIVEN TEAM day.

Congratulations to the underdogs.  

Also, a root for my favorite team blowing a fine chance to get into
the lead for the home-field advantage.  Way to go Vikes!!!  :-)

-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
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"Harbaugh back to throw, screen to Anderson, and it's PICKED off by
 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:05:23 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Nov16.134244@crispus.inmet> johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped) writes:
>i think you're being a little too hard on aikman.  he got the team within
>striking distance, and just wasn't able to pull the trigger on the last two
>passes ... this time.  i agree he still has to prove himself a bit in these
>situations, but one time does not a comeback qb make.
Oh, tell me about it.

Late October, 1988, UCLA was leading Washington St. 24-0 (or was it 21-0),
WSU staged a great comeback to lead 31-27. Last seconds, Aikman completed
a bomb inside the WSU 10 yard-line, no timeouts. 

1st-down: ground the ball to stop the clock.
2nd-down: incomplete
3rd-down: incomplete
4th-down: incomplete

There went the #1 ranking, the national championship, and his shot at the
Heismann Trophy.

Troy used to be my favorite college player, but he is a choker. The 
17-13 loss to SC in 1987 that cost us the Rose Bowl was especially painful.
I still haven't seen him engineering ONE last minute drive that snatched 
victory from defeat. The closest was a late drive at Seattle in 1988 that
broke a 17-17 tie.

Maybe he hung out with Terry Donahue too often (having seen the two
of them having lunch in the cafeteria many times). He should have hung
out more with winners like Pat Riley or John Wooden.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Rules question (trivia?)
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:05:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.200850.815@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
> 
> 	You Make the Call:
> 
> 	It's first and ten at the 25. The Steelers are 25 yards from the
> 	winning touchdown. Brister hits Foster for a 3 yard screen pass.
> 	Foster scrambles down the sideline, and dives for the corner of the
>         end zone with the ball held close to his chest. After passing the
> 	goal line, he extends the ball into the end zone from out of bounds
> 	and lands with the ball in the end zone, and his body out of bounds.
> 	The ball never passed over the goal line, but did end up in the end 
> 	zone. Touchdown?
> 

If Foster extended his arms into the endzone before he touched the
ground I would rule it a touchdown because he is still not legally
out of bounds and therefore has scored.

On the other hand if the rule "breaking the plane of the goal line"
strictly pertains to the plane facing the playing field then it would
not be a touchdown.

I guess what I am saying is that I dunno.


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re:   MNF announcers still suck
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 17 NOV 92 11:46:15    

In article <1992Nov17.132117.2509@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes...

>I only watched a few plays of the game between the Dolphins and Bills,
>and on nearly every one of them the MNF guys were saying that Miami was
>doing something illegal.  Once Dierdork wanted a late hit out of bounds
>(seemed like an okay hit to me), another time Marino was drawing the
>Bills offsides by moving his upper body (replay did NOT clearly show this
>at all), and on yet another they wanted a pick on some wide receiver
>(replay showed this was possible).  Then when the Bills had the ball
>they did nothing but gush about how great they were.  It seemed like
>bias or bandwagon jumping to me.  Keep in mind that I'm not making a
>statement about either team (I don't care that much), but just making
>an observation about the announcers everyone loves to hate.  Did anyone
>else notice this?

First of all, Dierdorf was right on on the head bob and the pick.  I 
didn't watch most of the game and I missed the late hit you're talking 
about but in the other 2 cases he was clearly right.  Marino moved his 
whole upper body.  I've seen QBs called for a lot less - you can't 
even bob your head, the penalty is usually called 'head bobbing'.  And 
the pick was clearly a pick.  The Dolphin receivers crossed and before 
the ball was caught by one receiver the other stuck his arm out and 
attempted to slow up the coverage guy.  This is a pick, plain and 
simple.

But anyway, all announcers gush about who ever happens to be leading 
at the time.  That's just their job as defined by the networks.  If 
they said bad stuff people would complain even more.  I suggest you do 
what I do, listen to the radio broadcast.  I think the announcers are 
Frank Buck and Hank Stram.

JGH
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From: harsh@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu (Harsh Potlapalli)
Subject: V. Sikahema vs G. Post
Organization: North Carolina State University, Raleigh
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:21:47 GMT

I got to see only a couple of rounds of this bout during the news in the
sports highlights. What was that all about?

-harsh
(harsh@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu)
From: mahoney@ecn.purdue.edu (Keith M Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Indiana Browns Backers
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:09:53 GMT
Distribution: in
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Does anyone from the Indiana Browns Backers or Indiana Browns fans read this
newsgroup?


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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL Teams Stink
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:31:46 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hey,

Forget all this AFC/NFC stuff: NFL teams stink.  Long live the WFL!

satish nair
go giants

PS for those that don't get it, enough with the AFC and NFC bashing!
From: wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BILLS WIN!!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:11:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.211103.27745
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


>In article <BxuJJ8.Mqp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
>wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall) writes:
>>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFF!!!!!!
>>
>>Bills 26, Fish 20
>>
>>Just got done hearing a dolfan complain about the officiating... there were
>>calls BOTH ways close enough that I wouldn't want to have to make the call!
>>But, a minor reality check: IT'S OVER!! There is nothing you can do about
>>it!!
>
>There were bad calls both ways, but the worst had to be in the
>closing minutes of the game when Kelly clearly intentionally
>grounded the ball back on the Buffalo 2.  Considering that Buffalo
>would have had loss of down, and 23 yards to go for a first down,
>that one bad call might have very well cost Miami the game. Miami
>would have had good field position with a few minutes to punch it
>in.  Maybe they would have. Maybe they wouldn't have!
>
>                                                    Tony
>                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
The coaches voted last year that football is a game of chances, they
took the risk when they voted down instant replay.  Too late to complain
now!  As for that questionable grounding call;  If anything it should have
been a sack "In the grasp", Not an intentional grounding.  If the pass had
been caught...and it was within 3 feet...Kelly would have been compared to
Marino.  Although Kelly doesn't need to be compared to anybody, he's great
all by himself!  And it didn't look like Miami had much more Offense left
in the second half.  I certainly wouldn't say it was a given!  I thought they
would go in at Indy but it didn't happen there.  
Only team that punched it in when it counted was SanFrancisco.  Kinda reminded
me of Joe Montana play.

--signed,  A BILLS fan that thinks Miami is also great!
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Subject: Re: Buffallo Sucks
From: sport@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:22:00 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Nov18.014720.9376@math.ucla.edu>, ashamam@oak.math.ucla.edu (Asher Shamam) writes:
> 
> Two things come from Buffallo...steers and queers
> 
> The bills have no horns
> 
> 
Hum....they bet San Franscico and now Miami.....

Looks like you don't folow the NFL too much.

M
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxtp0B.AJH
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bxp6AK.3M5@rice.edu>, tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder) writes...
>In article <BxoEA3.II4@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>|> 

>|> Also, I am not one of those blind fan kind and MUCH MUCH ABOVE
>|> PERSONAL FAN PREJUDICES and as of now I do not see a single AFC
>|> team capable of beating the top NFC teams. I am sorry, I cannot
>|> otherwise.
>|>


>For instance, the Buffalo Bills are clearly incapable of beating, say,
>the 49ers.  Or the Kansas City Chiefs would obviously have no chance of
>beating the Philadelphia Eagles.

Are you aware of facts or fallasies?  The Bills beat SF (the best team
at the end of last year, that didn't make the playoffs)  The Chiefs
beat Washington and Philadelphia. 

>|> Flames will be ignored. 

But incorrect thinking and ignorance will not be on this news group.

So much for the Vi(Kings) and the (B)Eagles.  Losers yesterday to
Houston and that offensive powerhouse Greenbay offense.  So much
for the stingy defense of Philadelphia.

Bruce, a Bills fan.
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What the Bears need.
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I saw a post asking have the Bears given up.
This is what I think they need.

The Bears need youth more than anything.
They could also use a new coach since it appears that
the coach just gives up on his team (i.e. Harbargh scene),
just like a couple of years ago when he said that they
would never win another game.  It looks like he might
be saying that again.

They need a coach who can get the players motivated.
They don't need a coach who yells at his players, and
challenges fans (on the radio shows) to a fight.
Maybe this is the coaching style that Ditka played
with when he played football.  But that style doesn't
work with most teams.

They Bears need a quarterback that is a leader, not
Harbargh who is afraid of Ditka.  I think they should
make a trade for a better quarterback.  They need a 
leader like a Kelly, Marino, Montana, Elway, etc.
I think letting McMann(sp) go was a big mistake.

They need players that can bring some life to the team.
They could use some big names on defense too.  I think
Ditka won't be the coach next year for the Bears.  They
need a coach like Dennis Green to come in and say like
he did "Who wants to be here and who doesn't?", and
to get rid of the players that aren't contributing.
Harbargh is just like Wade Wilson was for the Vikings.

Bruce, a Bills fan.
From: jking@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au (Jason  King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers Info
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:38:47 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston

Hi,

I'm an Australian 49er's fan and was wondering if there was another 49er's
fan who would be willing to post me regular information on the 49er's.
Such thing as match reports (inc highlights,lowlights(as if!!)) player
information (injuries, trades etc) and anything else of interest.

I get virtually no information at the moment except results (in the local
paper - just the scores) and a 1 hour program once a week (which covers all
the NFL, so it's usual unless the 49er's are the featured game, I get to
see about 30 seconds of them).

Thanks in advance.

Mail me at the address below if you are interested and willing to
help.
hel
-- 
Jason King					"I'm gonna do you slowly, mate!"
Email: J.King@nursing.utas.edu.au		Paul Keating.
University of Tasmania at Launceston		Prime Minister, Australia
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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Dallas...
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:08:07 GMT

In article 1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu, desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:
> I am glad the `Boys lost this week!!!  It was just the *right time* for them to
> lose and lose to a team not of their caliber...  They got the monkey off their
> back and should be ready to head into the playoffs with their eyes open and play
> some smart games...
> 
> Go get 'em 'Boys...
> 
> D Man...
> -- 
> Ali Notash...
> Desert@ccit.arizona.edu
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> | ``It is hard to make friends with Reality,                              |
> |	       because Reality doesn't care whether you like it or not.'' |
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


Just like a Cowpoke fan.... "My team only lost because it will benefit them in
the long run" or "we lost but were still the better team" or "it had to be someone
other than the Cowboys fault"

The Rams outplayed the Cowboys, on the road, in Texas Stadium, and deserved to win.
They are better than their 4-6 record shows...

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Jonathan Saari                 | The views expressed here
saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com      | are my own...
Test Engineer                  | They are not my employers.
Motorola, Incorporated         | Although they should be...
Chandler, AZ                   | GO RAMS!!
===========================================================
Colvard's Logical Premises:
	All probabilities are 50%.  Either a thing will happen or
	it won't.
Colvard's Unconscionable Commentary:
	This is especially true when dealing with someone you're
	attracted to.
Grelb's Commentary
	Likelihoods, however, are 90% against you.


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Bandwagon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:51:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.182845.3613@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>>i maintained during landry's
>>>last season at 3-13 that the cowboys were only 7 plays from 10-6 
So what if those 7 plays went their way? Getting 10-6 only if a couple 
plays going their way is nothing to brag about, read below.

>First of all, you're not taking into account the number of plays that 
>did go your way.  Secondly, the fact is that your team did *not* make 
>the plays.  That's the difference between good teams and bad teams - 
>good teams make good plays, bad teams make bad plays.  Finally, good 
>teams overcome these bad plays.  They don't let themselves get into a 
>position where 1 or 2 bad plays in a game can lose it for them.
Right on, John. 

Look at the Packers of 89. A few plays went their way, like the
beyond the line of scrimmage pass reversed by instant replay against 
the Bears.  They finished 10-6. Four of the wins were by 1 point, one by 
2 point, one in OT.

Apparently 1989 was only an aberration. They were nowhere near playoff
contention since then.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:52:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Niners vs. Saints coming - Hebert loses
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>And now for a little whining. Is it me or is there a fog in S.F. that gets
>in the refs eyes????

Every team gets screwed by the zebras at least once a year.  If it were up
to me I'd find some way to automate the officiating.  As it is there is
nothing that can be done.  The 49ers have been screwed their fair share
of times too.  Its the law of averages.
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BILLS WIN!!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:04:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <1ebb3eINNsth@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>In article <BxuJJ8.Mqp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
>wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall) writes:
>>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFF!!!!!!
>>
>>Bills 26, Fish 20
>>
>>Just got done hearing a dolfan complain about the officiating... there were
>>calls BOTH ways close enough that I wouldn't want to have to make the call!
>>But, a minor reality check: IT'S OVER!! There is nothing you can do about
>>it!!
>
>There were bad calls both ways, but the worst had to be in the
>closing minutes of the game when Kelly clearly intentionally
>grounded the ball back on the Buffalo 2.  Considering that Buffalo

If I hear one more idiot say that, I'm going to scream. Look at the replay.
McKeller was right there. Kelly threw the ball to McKeller. McKeller did
not drop the ball. Incomplete pass. End of story. This was about the only
good call all night by those incompetant refs who are probably janitors at
Joe Robbie Stadium, but had to fill in for an absent officiating crew.

>would have had loss of down, and 23 yards to go for a first down,
>that one bad call might have very well cost Miami the game. Miami
>would have had good field position with a few minutes to punch it
>in.  Maybe they would have. Maybe they wouldn't have!
>
>                                                    Tony
>                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
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From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Subject: Re: The Rams RAM it up/down (was: Re: Cowboys Meal Menu)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:46:40 GMT


  I wouldn't be too confident John Gloria, The 49ers might have whipped
  Atlanta twice but they barely managed to beat the Rams at the Stick a
  few games back and have to go to Anaheim this week with a confident
  Rams team!

  Miguel
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Denver vs. Raiders
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:45:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

Did anyone catch that shot of Elroy picking his nose on the sidelines as
the Broncos were on their way to being shut out??  This replaces the shot
of Randall C. yawing on the sidelines on my list.  Hmmm.... they were both
playing the Raiders during these incedents.

satish nair
go giants


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