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From: greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Greg Bradt)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:06:53 GMT
Organization: US West Marketing Resources
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In article <1992Dec8.203745.22470@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Ted Krueger,
krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu writes:
>>Clearly not.  Any "sexual preference" which victimizes is
>>unacceptable.  Any "sexual preference" which involves informed mutual
>>consent =is= acceptable.  It's as simple as that!
>
>Here is the problem.  It is not even nearly as simple as that.  In most 
>states, it is impossible for a 16yearold girl to consent, while a 
>16yearold male can consent.  There are numerous laws concerning who 
>can and cannot consent, some of them are stupid laws, but some of them 
>are extremely essential.  Now the question:  Who decides?

Your original question was an ethical one, not a question of law.  It is the
business of law to take "grey area" issues and codify them.  

>I fall back upon one of my original points.  That when you allow
individuals 
>who may be catagorized as minorities into the military, there will be abuse 
>of "racism, sexism, homophobia" charges.  This must be curbed.
>

I agree that mixing minorities opens up the possibility of both
discrimination (i.e. the abuse of people) and the abuse of =charges= of
discrimination.  However, that is not a valid argument to isolate all
minorities.  Not only is that patently impractical, but to do so would be
tanamount to "throwing out the baby with the bathwater."

Greg Bradt aka ()The Lensman()

greg_bradt@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com | "Freedom means sometimes
Genie: G.BRADT                    |   having to put up with
Compuserve: 70206,172             |   things that really
BBS: (303)290 9243                |   piss you off".
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: The Real Reason For Universal Health Care
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:51:01 GMT

gorney@picard.med.ge.com (Felix Gorney Mfg 4-6983) writes:

>I thought Slick Willie was going to give the middle class a tax break. 
>Now he has plans to raise our taxes. Also, as an "enviromental" proposal,
>I've heard that Slick has been advised to raise the gasoline tax by $1.00
>per gallon. This will hurt the poor, and the middle class the most. If
>you can't afford the price of gasoline, then you'll just have to take the
>bus.                                

"Has been advised"? Come now, you can tell us. By whom? I'll tell you.
By some of the attendees to his recent economic conference. Clinton was
not advised to raise the gax tax, some of the attendees merely stated
that they think we should, and that was their opinion. None of them
are members of Clinton's cabinet so far or any of his close advisors.
In fact, one of Clinton's top aids addressed this very question a few
days ago on CNN's Crossfire, and he said that there was little chance
that Clinton would propose a gax tax.

Me? I'd favor an increase in the federal gas tax.

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
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From: aquilanm@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Mark T Aquilano )
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.correct,alt.rush.limbaugh,alt.activism
Subject: Re: How overcrowded is the world? ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 02:21:17 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


 
I'm replying to an old thread, but I think you're leaving something very    
critical out of the overpopulation problem - what kind of quality of life
will we have when more and more true wilderness is tamed to provide for teh
growing population.  In you hypothetical model, this is an obvious problem.
Where would the poor people in your Texas go to be totally away from it all -
all the crime, violence and poverty that are growing day by day in all of the
cities whose population densities you cited couldn
couldn't help but also develop in your Texas.

Taking the real world into account, one of the best solutions to population
growth is being totally overlooked by the world community.  What is the 
number one form of birth control in the world?  Read UNICEF's State of the
World's Children Report - it is education for women! (obviously this is not 
at the expense of education for men).  Educated women have a much better
shot at stability in life, and it is instability and a feeling of insecurity
that breeds population growth.  If growth is a reflection of insecurity,
and insecurity can never exist for long without leading to wars and a 
general escalation of violence in the world, why would anyone want to 
see the world's population continue to grow, even if the Earth is capable of
handling this growth? Untried, peaceful solutions that would increase
the quality of life for EVERYONE in the world are falling by the wayside.
    
End of Sermon

Mark Aquilano

aquilanm@gas.uug.arizona.edu

 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
From: stank@leslie.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: Homophobes in the Military..what nobody is talking about: (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:08:20 GMT

>In article <1992Dec16.155404.16544@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>>The Bible does, however, say, "Go and sin no more," 

The Bible also says "Love thy enemy" and "Judge not..." but maybe you missed
[Bible]class that day.

>>And, if you believe that there is no attempt to persuade, then I have 
>>a five-page paper which I wrote for a group over in talk.abortion about 
>>a year ago which tells exactly what sexual practices public school 
>>sex-ed curricula are trying to encourage.  If you would like me to 
>>mail you a copy, I will be glad to, but let me preface it by listing 
>>a couple of sexual practices it does attempt to persuade children that 
>>are "normal/acceptable:"

>>1) prostitution
>>2) anal sex
>>3) beasiality
>>Christian children will be riddiculed or made to feel outcast if there is 
>>voluntary prayer, but there is no problem in Christian children being 
>>riddiculed or made to feel outcast in a class where children are told that 
>>it is ok for them to have sex with chickens.  


Look dude if this is the stuff that your kids' school is really teaching
your childern(you do have kids right?)then I strongly suggest you find them
another school. The public school I attended never taught me such things, the
public school that my daughter attends doesn't teach such things. Where do you
get this stuff from? Oh I get it---you made it up huh? Either that or your
kids go to "HELL HIGH".


Stan Knight
|"And the zealot will be damned"----Find that one in your book Ted| 
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: stank@leslie.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:52:19 GMT

In article <1gteuhINNdak@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1gsp4fINNd7r@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>|> This was as it was described to me by someone who is homosexual, and not 
>|> someone trying to distort the book.  I think you need to think before you 
>|> knee-jerkingly assume things like that. 

>I'm not assuming anything.   The New York Times had an article on Sunday
>- you can easily look it up - in which it was claimed that many of the
>things that church and other groups complain about in the famous book
>simply are not in it.

>Now I am waiting for you to produce quotes to substantiate your claims.




Much discussion about this famous book. Did I miss something here or does
"THE BOOK" have a name. Does it have a publisher? With just a little info
such as this it would probably be pretty easy to get a copy for my/yourself.
Does anyone have this info??

Thanks,

Stan Knight
|I don't believe much that I don't see with my own eyes|

Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
From: car@access.digex.com (Mr. Blue)
Subject: Re: Homophobes in the Military..what nobody is talking about: (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:45:40 GMT

In article <Bz172F.Bp4@ns1.nodak.edu> green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:
>One quick comment, I'm getting a little sick of the word "homophobe" being used
>every time someone doesn't believe tha gay lifestyle is proper.  How about we
>start using "hetrophobe" in place of "gay", and see how that works?

You've just described the essence of PC. When you disagree with someone
AT ALL, they call you racist, sexist, anti-semitic homophobic bigot because
they want you to SHUT up. In fact, I think we should charge you with a 
"hate crime" because you're spreading hatred towards homosexuals. Shame on
you, Brad!   :)
(Yes, I'm being facetious. Note the smiley.)

>


Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: Jim.Shirreffs
Subject: Re: thEwIndBag against Motor Votor Bill
Organization: JJ Software
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:37:56 GMT



|>|My vote wouldn't mean as much if everyone voted.

| This one's purely selfish and I think we can ignore it.

You see this is where conservatives and liberals differ. Conservatives
understand the human condition. Liberals think it is unimportant and 
choose to ignore it. Why should I deliverately choose to devalue my
vote for some obscure social goal? Convince me that there is a problem
and I might be willing to accept a solution.

jim shirreffs

i speak for myself and only myself


Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:07:51 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Dec12.062551.14365@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
]]were court-martialed and locked up?  If not, why didn't you?
]
]No, I didn't. I wanted to live out the remainder of boot camp.
]Like I say, you had to be there.

I would also like to point out that I slept with a club under my pillow,
and once used it to prevent a gang from beating me. That boot camp
was a hell of a nice place... we had a bunch of guys from New York and
Chicago street gangs in my company.

-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
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 - - Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! - -
From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Hypocrisy
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:04:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


I never said that you couldn't speak for yourself, Buckland.  Some of
us are glad that you ran away from talk.abortion.  I, for one, don't
miss little jewels from you like "Let's look at it from the rapist's
point of view."

I'm asking Beth for her source.  I'm sure that she has a real reference,
not just "somebody told me so it must be true."

Susan


Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
From: harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (harold.r.holm)
Subject: Re: Flush Limburger
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:23:58 GMT
Summary: Another Rush critic hee-haws again....

In article <22580003@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:
> The Rush phenomenon reminds me of the Archie Bunker show.....
> 
> It appears that this is the new Archie show... the audience is just
> the same old beer drinking-nightly news avoiding-football watching
> mind set...

Yes, all those beer-drinking, football watching college/career/mom
females out there among his audience that I hear call in...

> Its great for Rush...he doesnt have to be intellectual (the audience
> probably reads and comprehends at about the 6th grade level-that's
> reader's digest folks!) and can make outrageous statements and not
> have to back his words up.

Funny, I hear quite a number of college students, small-business owners,
professional people on-the-road-with-car-phones among his audience, too.
And I suppose those daily ads for that commodity brokerage firm ("Hello
Rush Limbaugh listeners") are targeted toward 6th-graders, aren't they??   

And quoting from the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall St. Journal,
Science, Scientific American, USA Today, and a whole bunch of other 
publications/broadcast media shows that much of the country has access
to is not backing anything up?  Try listening to his show a few times,
bub.  You just *might* realize what he actually does  (but I think in 
the case of *this* critic, that's a bit *iffy*....)

> Certainly please don't think that I'm knocking the man....after all
> he is getting rich being a bigot...

No, *you're* getting nowhere tossing about these cheap name-calling shots
without substantiation by quoted exampleS...
> 
> It just aint fair... Maybe next Christmas I can think of a way to 
> get rich off of the bigotry phenomenon too....hmmm KuKluxKlan turtles?

Well, why not just join the next big-city rage-riot and laugh your 
way thru some shopowner's property, grabbing what you can?  Drawing
from what you've said here, it's obvious that's about your only shot
at being able to acqire much more in the way of material prosperity.....

                                               H.R. Holm
*standard disclaimers, etc;
replies to the group only, pls. 
                                     *************************************
                                     "It's Bill 'n Al's  party,
                                      and they'll *sleep* if they want to...
                                      You would sleep too if it happened to
                                       YOU!
                                      ************************************
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Re: There IS a Santa CLAWSE
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:35:07 GMT

In article <1fo0smINNivk@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding) writes:
>In article <ByKzr0.218@access.digex.com> car@access.digex.com (Mr. Blue)  
>writes:
>> Remember Paul Tsongas saying that "Bill Clinton wants to be   
>> Santa Clawse"..?
>> 
>> Ho Ho Ho! Santa Clinton...er..Clawse...
>> 
>And Santa Clawse has asked that people send him Candi - he almost got it  
>good over the Flowers affair.
>

     And I thought that Santa Clause was a figment of our imaginations. 

-- 
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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: "Dittos" for John Switzer (was Re: Summary Fri 12/4/92)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:34:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Dec15.125217.17957@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>>Helping to spread the Word of Rush will likely do more to increase the number
>>of conservatives in the world than mere procreation anyway.
>>
>> Kurt  E.  Ludwick     | If PRO is the opposite of CON, then
>
>Those who confuse Mr. Limbaugh with the Second Coming should realize
>that he is first a businessman and then a conservative.

The best kind of conservative!

Ted

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
by hatchet, axe and saw.     -  Rush, The Trees
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From: glen@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Glen Sonnenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: An Apology to Ted
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:38:59 GMT
Distribution: world, na, usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Dec15.042117.3695@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>
>Ted is typical of Arizona...

Ted is definitely not typical of Tucson.  Here conservatives are a 
minority and would like to file for minority status to get some protection
against the Tucson city counsel.

>
>The state that elected Evan Mecham, biggest boob since Dan Quayle
>	(impeached by the AZ house of representatives for terminal stupidity).

That was simply a matter of the Democrats being divided among two candidates.
Hence, Mecham was elected.  Right after that a law was made mandating a
50% + 1 to elect.  And, true to form, was repealed this last election.

>The state with the big "votes for bucks" scandal

Many of the people indicted in this were Democrats.

>The last state to pass a Martin Luther King day

Yeah, the only state which ACTUALLY VOTED ON IT!!  All the other states had it
forced on them by their governors or state's congress. 

>A state where zoning is considered theft

I don't know about Phoenix but Tucson is ruled by anti-expansionist Democrats.

>Charly Keating's state

Cheap shot!  Every state has criminals.  I am quite sure that it would be
possible to find famous criminals in every state.

>If you have to say sorry to anybody, say sorry to me, because I have
>to live with him and his type..

Sorry but I would have to side with Ted on this one.  I am sick of the
liberal BS that this town continually celebrates.  If you like, C'mon
over to Physics and we can go to Z's and have a beer.  Maybe we can 
show you the light.  Halleluiah!! Amen.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
From: wbralick@afit.af.mil (Will Bralick)
Subject: Re: New group proposal:  alt.conservative.forum
Organization: Self-similar
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:11:01 GMT


So, why not talk.conservative.forum?

Regards,

-- 

Will Bralick			          Speaking _only_ for myself.

Standard disclaimers apply.            Void where prohibitted by law.
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
From: kautz@research.att.com
Subject: positioning frame
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:49:26 GMT
Distribution: alt
Reply-To: kautz@research.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

I want to make a frame appear at an absolute position on the screen,
without grabbing the mouse.  Any ideas why this doesn't work:

 xv_create (root, FRAME, 
	   XV_HEIGHT, 100,
	   XV_WIDTH, 100,
	   XV_X, 300,
	   XV_Y, 300,
	   NULL);

(It still grabs the mouse)
--
---- Henry Kautz

:internet: 	kautz@research.att.com
:uucp:		allegra!kautz		
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
From: b7351127@hardy.u.washington.edu (Lee Benda)
Subject: problem sending signals
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:37:21 GMT

I have this problem that someone out there might be able to help with.

I am writing an Xview program whose basic job is to fork off a new process
and then die.  I want this program to remain visable long enough for the second
program, which is also an XView program, to appear, so that there is no 
blank space while the second program loads (this generally takes about 5 
seconds).  My solution is for the second program
to trap the MAPPING_NOTIFY event sent to its base frame, then send a SIGTERM
signal back to the first process using the unix routine kill() (2v).

My problem is that, upon sending the SIGTERM signal
the following error message appears:

	XView warning: Notifier error: Unknown client

This message gets printed about thirty times, actually.
It is the sending process that is issuing the warning message.
The process that is supposed to receive the SIGTERM signal never dies.

Any information as to what is going on here (I read the chapter on the notifier
in the O'Reilly manual) would be much appreciated.  My current backup plan is to have
the parent process wait around for 15 seconds (using sleep()), and then exit;
hardly an elegant solution.

Thanks in advance.

Victor Cassen
victor@cqs.washington.edu

PS If anyone out there knows how to disable the edit log on a Text-subwindow, 
boy would I like to hear from you.
From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview
Subject: difference in 3.1 WIN_FRONT handling?
Summary: Solaris 2.1 versus 4.1.X XViewism?
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:19:47 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


	I create dialogs that start out with:

cluster->my_dialog->my_frame = xv_create(graph_frame, FRAME_CMD,
				 FRAME_DONE_PROC, dialog_frame_done,
				 WIN_BORDER, FALSE,
				 WIN_FRONT,
				 NULL);


	Pretty cinchy stuff.  The problem on Solaris 2.1/OW 3.1 is
that when the dialog and its parent are obscured, and then I bring 
the parent forward again, the dialog stays behind its parent.

	When compiling on Solaris and displaying to a 4.1.X system
running R4 and olvwm, the dialog maps on top of its parent (what I
want)  Is there a bug in Solaris 2.1/3.1's olwm or server that's
causing this?

				Daniel
-- 
     Daniel Smith, Autodesk, Sausalito, California, (415) 332-2344 x 2580
	      Disclaimer: written by a highly caffeinated mammal
	    dansmith@autodesk.com            dansmith@well.sf.ca.us

Newsgroups: alt.toolkits.xview,comp.windows.open-look