From: jive@spanky.ssc.gov (Jim Ivey)
Subject: _Long_ response to lag questions - Hit 'n' now
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:18:42 GMT


In article <BxMJKB.BLz.2@cs.cmu.edu> hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert
Hill) writes: 

>   > > hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill) writes:
>   > > | Jim, how much is this notorious lag?  120 ms?
>   > 
>   > >  120ms is notorious lag? Some people are spoiled around here;
>   > 
>   No...one day when FillInThe_____ was complaining about lag (as he
>   usually does :) I pingged his machine and got 120 ms average time with
>   0% packetloss.  I'm not calling jim a liar, or anything, but I was just

     Heh.  You probably should call me a liar, though for other reasons:)

>   I used the word "notorious" because most people see Fill as having the
>   worst lag in the country...this is simply not true.  He is an
>   excellently skilled player...you just can't be that skilled with alot
>   of lag...period. 

     I only left this in for my ego:)

     I suppose it's time I finally answered all these lag notes about
FillInTheBlank.  As numerous people have said, my ping times aren't bad at
all, usually averaging around 200, with good days seeing as low as 100-120.
However, it's the burps/blinks/what have you that kill me.  Though at
numerous times in the past I've made comments like "Only pussies use
keymaps" (half-jokingly:), I was recently forced to remap the '=' key,
simply because I have to hit it so often.  And I can't count the number of
times I've been flying through enemy space, unable to respond, and watched
some clueless little twerp blow me away without even wondering why I'm
flying in a straight line with shields down.

     But again, as most people have noted, in general my lag is no worse
than that of some other people.  I guess I just complain more:)

     I guess what irks me most is that I _always_ watch to see if people
are showing signs of lagging.  Maybe I'm just sensitized to it now, but if
I see someone doing something incredibly stupid, I back off and ask 'You
awake?'.  Have I ever gotten the same treatment?  Not!:)

     But, hey..  I get back at all the twinks by ogging (which, it seems,
is all I'm good at anyway, after the dogfighting fiasco and the lame
attempt at scumming planets yesterday on bronco).  Which is fine.  To each
his own:).

     However, about this lag thing:)  I finally decided to compile ping
times yesterday, after the umpteenth post mentioning Fill's lag.  Each is
done with a 1000 byte packet, and a 1000 count. i.e. ping -s
bronco.ece.cmu.edu 1000 1000  I'm taking responses at 10:30 am, Noon, 2 pm,
5 pm, 7 pm, and 9 pm (all times CST).  Hit 'n' right now to avoid this
waste of bandwidth:)  Hopefully this will end any comments about Fill's
lag, though probably take away my source of complaining, as people pull out
ping times that are probably _much_ worse:) 

10:30 am
Bronco:   1000 packets transmitted, 864 packets received, 13% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 179/266/2546
Bigdog:   1000 packets transmitted, 994 packets received, 0% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 193/242/1984
Discovery:1000 packets transmitted, 982 packets received, 1% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 154/214/2051

Noon
Bronco:   1000 packets transmitted, 982 packets received, 1% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 167/231/2188
Bigdog:   1000 packets transmitted, 975 packets received, 2% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 194/234/2397
Discovery:1000 packets transmitted, 987 packets received, 1% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 155/193/3107

2:00 pm
Bronco:   1000 packets transmitted, 970 packets received, 3% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 181/238/1958
Bigdog:   1000 packets transmitted, 999 packets received, 0% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 195/241/1768
Discovery:1000 packets transmitted, 976 packets received, 2% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 156/204/2042

5:00 pm
Bronco:   1000 packets transmitted, 956 packets received, 4% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 169/222/1764
Bigdog:   1000 packets transmitted, 977 packets received, 2% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 197/244/1544
Discovery:1000 packets transmitted, 986 packets received, 1% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 155/197/1717

     The network started fucking up at 6:30, then completely died around
7:00.  Reestablished to bigdog and discovery 7:15, but bronco didn't come
back until around 7:40.  This is fairly typical.
     Ack.  Got up to 500 and the network died again (this time it was
134.55.3.66 and 134.55.3.130 that caused the problem).  Oh, there.. it's
back.  But it lost about 200 packets, so I'll start again :/

8:00 pm
Bronco:   1000 packets transmitted, 973 packets received, 2% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 177/241/2104
Bigdog:   1000 packets transmitted, 852 packets received, 14% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 195/252/1781
Discovery:1000 packets transmitted, 911 packets received, 8% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 147/212/1703

     Network clear now.  Playing on bronco.

9:00 pm
Bronco:   1000 packets transmitted, 944 packets received, 5% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 178/236/1628
Bigdog:   1000 packets transmitted, 996 packets received, 0% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 195/235/2022
Discovery:1000 packets transmitted, 976 packets received, 2% packet loss
          round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 156/212/1810



     This was a so-so night.  Sometimes it's worse, sometimes it's much
better.  As I said, there are nights when it gets real nice, and I crank it
up to 5 updates, just for snicks and giggles.  But as you can see, my 'lag'
isn't really that bad.  I just complain a lot, as most people have noted:)
I'm sure those boys from Lagg U and 3000ms have worse.  But at least they
have a local server:)

     Jim / FillInTheWhiner / Unofficial Bav Running Mate in '04

     P.S.  Off the record, I _do_ have a local server, and would be more
than happy to host the next dogfighting tournament :):):):):):):):):):):)



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