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From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: speaking of ocean pollution ...
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:45:05 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Bath, UK


While browsing through the library, I spotted the Journal of Marine
Environmental Research.  Their latest issue was devoted to Tributlyn
which they described as "probably the most toxic substance ever willfully
discharged into the marine environment."  There was lots of stuff on
how it has devasted the oyster and other marine life populations in
California and Arachon bay in France.  


One article listed the results
of samples taken along the coast of California.  The winner was Marina
del Ray with the highest concentration.  Though it was closely
followed by Long Beach, San Diego, San Francisco, Ventura and Santa
Barbara.  Suprisingly, Carpenteria (Rincon) which lies right between
Ventura and Santa Barabra had very low concentrations.  Basically, the
populated areas had high levels while rural ones had very low levels.
Who said the south bay wasn't bad news??

Have a nice surf,

Chris

p.s. anyone out there know what effects tributlyn  has on humans?
It wasn't listed anywhere in the journal.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Subject: Re: Im in deep !@#&*%
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.165421.2581@nic.csu.net> sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99) writes:
>In article <1992Sep01.121330.6953@brtph560.bnr.ca> kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
>>In article <23099@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, mheron@samson.hac.com (Mark Heron) writes:
>>|> OK surfers, I have a problem and I need some feedback!!
>>|> 
>>|> Mark (I don't want leave So Cal) Heron        >;')
>>
>>MARK!  Don't do it man!  I spent the first half of my life on the Gulf Coast
>
>What do you mean 'Dont do it?!'  Mark, it all depends on the career you have. 
>Did you spend many years in college getting a degree to get a job like you
>have now or what??  Remember, this is the recession times.  What do
>you do anyways.  If it is a fly-by-night thing then don't even go but if
>you are having problems finding a job and you seem like you are in a secure 
>then go for a couple years and come back!!  You always have that choice ya 
>know.....

Jobs are important, no question about it.  But you have to live too.  I
spent 8 years in school for my degrees but I'll be damned if I use them
too far from the ocean.  At the moment too far is more than a fifteen
minute walk (I could deal with living about another 5 minutes away
although it does affect how easily you can hear the waves).  I don't
even manage to surf that often but I feel a strong need to be near the
water anyway.  Fortunately my wife feels this way too and for her it is
also a professional thing as she is a marine geologist.  I got an
inquiry recently to see if I would be interested in a endowed chair in
Oklahoma (not an actual offer, just an offer to apply, I'm not quite
that hot.).  She just about laughed at the idea.  I had to be polite,
but except for three years I've never lived more than about a half mile
from some body of water (ok, some of them were rivers or bays but the
ocean was always within about 20 miles) and I don't plan on starting
now.  Oh and for those three years it was about three miles away.

Balance, its all a question of balance.  For me that's how it works out.
Mark will have to find his own.

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Andrew and eastern USA surf
Organization: Paradise Isle Computing Services
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:06:28 GMT

bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech) wrote:
>
>In a previous article, P.B.Halverson@massey.ac.nz (P.B. Halverson) says:
>
>>Surfers on the east coast, USA,
>>
>>Are you getting (rideable) waves from hurricane Andrew?  Let's hear some 
>>great storm-surf stories and tales of 10 knot north-south drifts.
>>
>
>I guess all the Florida surfers (and Gulf Coast surfers) are just too stoked
>surfing today to post.  Probably skipped work to hit the waves.  I wish I was
>in that position!  You know the old quote (of East Coasters) 'Hurricanes
>are what surfing legends are made of.........'
> 
>					L8tr,
>							Derek
>
>

Maybe the reason they aren't posting is because either they don't have a place
to work any longer. Or, maybe they can't post because they are some of the
250,000  people who don't have homes any longer. 

Anyway, if you guys are reading this I hope you are all O.K.  Good Luck !!

...Bud

--
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com

 Yes, but every time I try to see things your way, I get a headache.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: u8801863@cs.uow.edu.au (Nigel Brendon Robinson)
Subject: Re: East Coast report - OC, MD
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:21:49 GMT

bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech) writes:

>You can surf all day over there, about 20 min from OC.  Only breaks during
>low tide. 

Not that I mean to be picky but how can you surf all day when it

" Only breaks during low tide. " ?

>				L8tr,
>					Derek


Radically Wired from the cosmically inspired...

Nigel.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Im in deep !@#&*%
From: sgenchi@neptune.uucp (Agent 99)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:54:20 PDT
Organization: CSLA

In article <1992Sep01.121330.6953@brtph560.bnr.ca> kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
>In article <23099@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, mheron@samson.hac.com (Mark Heron) writes:
>|> OK surfers, I have a problem and I need some feedback!!
>|> 
>|> Mark (I don't want leave So Cal) Heron        >;')
>
>MARK!  Don't do it man!  I spent the first half of my life on the Gulf Coast


What do you mean 'Dont do it?!'  Mark, it all depends on the career you have. 
Did you spend many years in college getting a degree to get a job like you
have now or what??  Remember, this is the recession times.  What do
you do anyways.  If it is a fly-by-night thing then don't even go but if
you are having problems finding a job and you seem like you are in a secure 
then go for a couple years and come back!!  You always have that choice ya 
know.....

Hell, if you are going to give up your job and be unemployed for a bit just
to surf HB then why not move to Costa Rica or Bali or any other killer
surf spot?

Hope this helps....

--99 
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Subject: Re: The New Yorker Rules Surf Mags
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:04:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.171719.10827@morrow.stanford.edu> andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
>"The New Yorker" magazine has a major article on surfing
>starting in the August 24, 1992 issue.  Part one (of two) is
>called "Playing Doc's Games" and focusses on Doc Mark Renneker
>and surfing along Ocean Beach in San Francisco, but in the true
>New Yorker form the 20 or so pages ramble over much of surfing
>and just keep returning to the main topic.  Who knows where the
>second installment will go?

Yeah, I'm following up on my own article.  I just finished the first
installment and its great.  Also, a friend I play soccer with read it
too and thought it was great too.  Some amazing descriptions of
sessions.  I've actually been dry for a month but it is getting me
psyched to go out and then tonight as we got home there was this huge
boom as we walked up the front path.  Surf's up.  I love that sound.

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Joining the Crew (finally)
Organization: Quantum Reef Project
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:05:53 GMT

mtemple@calstatela.edu wrote:
>
>> Joining the Crew (finaly)
>
> ....
>unless you'e skateboarded, snowboarded or stood on a log in a pond for a good
>part of your life, it would seem perfectly normal that you feel uncomfortable
>standing on a piece of foam-n-glass moving across the face of a wave
>
> ....
>> 
You left out balance beam,water ski not to mention wing walking. 

I had a friend growing up who was an acrobat/gymnast. He hung out at
the beach for a whole year watching my friends and me surf. One day he
decided he was going to give it a try. I set him with a wet suit and
board (9' 3" Real Styrofoam). The waves were about 3-4 foot lefts
breaking over a rock reef. He paddled out on his knees and turned his
board by using his arms (he had seen others do the same thing) and
paddled right into a decent wave. He stood up and made a right turn on
a left.  We couldn't tell if he was screw foot or regular because his
stance was so weird. Anyway he was now in the soup and heading straight
for the rocks. He worked his way up to the nose and before he surfed
right up on the rocks he was hanging five. After picking up his board
(minor damage) paddled back out & picked up another. This time he went
left and managed to (BTW he was a goofy footer (sorry lefties, that is
what you're called -:)) do a cheater five all the way through the
inside. He proceeded to do this for over two hours. He never fell off
the board and within a month was ripping and surfing all up and down
the coast of California and most who saw him thought he had been
surfing for years.  To this day I have never seen anyone learn so fast
(he quit by the time he was 20). His name was Dennis Chapman (moochie).


This is not fiction and it was witnessed by many of my long time surf
buds. My point is: if you have the natural talent or balance then it
will be easier to learn but, what you have done with your life does
help. Any activity which uses body coordination or hand/eye
coordination does and will help. Also high diving (cliff and platform)
will help (these guys learn fast). Scuba and/or free diving is a good
cross trainer too !! If you want to get the feel for flying over the
water try ski-racing or barefootin'. During high school I knew some 
guys (they're brain dead now) from Santa Cruz who used to jump off the
transom of a boat (offshore race type) doing 65+ MPH just to get the
feel of hitting the water at speed. During the summer Oahu North Shore
hard cores and guys in training jump from the rocks at Waimea and swim
underwater as far as they can for simulation.


....Bud
-- 
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com

 You need no longer worry about the future.  This time tomorrow you'll
 be dead.
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Alt.surfvey #1
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:13:18 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Aug27.180529.7291@paradise.pegasus.com> bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson) writes:
>crp5754@erfsys01.ca.boeing.com (chris payne) wrote:
>>Greetings gang,
>>
>
>What about most artistic, most creative, most inspiring, most like
>real life ???
>
>Personally, I think that most surf flicks are exploitive and rarely
>cover surfers other than those on the campaign trail and/or those who
>are known through the media. The closest thing I have ever seen to a
>real life surf movie was a movie that was released in the late sixties
>"The Natural Art". It had some surfing by totally unknown to the world
>guys, and wasn't biased with a particular style of surfing, unlike other
>movies that seem to be almost like sybervision, with the same guys
>executing the same moves wave after wave all trying to imitate Curren.
>

I can sympathize with this point.  Most surf movies I have seen
that were made later than 1975 have been very into prommoting
surf stars as gods, and focus too much on Hawaii as the center of
the universe.  Yeah, Hawaii does probably get the most powerful, consistent,
waves there is, and the surf stars are hot and all, but so what?

My honorable mention was "Forgotten Island of Santosha" which was
basically about a bunch of hot no-name surfers looking for perfect
waves--which they eventually found.  I should have made it my number one pick.

Another movie I should have picked was I believe called "Inspirations" it
was a low budget flick shot entirely in California.  It had a much less
hype and a strong streetwise sensiblity to it.  The only "star" in the
movie was George Greenough, but he was always a bit underground anyway -- I
don't think he ever entered a contest.  He certainly wasn't known for
his contest surfing.  

That's one thing that I think is missing from surfing these days.  You
have to be a pro contest performer to be anybody.  I liked it
better when people like Greenough and Owl Chapman were stars because they
creative and different.  Most pro surfers have pretty much the same style of
surfing, because that's what it takes to win contests.  

Chris
(A Socal surf punk in the land of randy royals)

P.S.  I had a surf yesterday at my "secret reef".  It was only shoulder
high, but it was lining up nicely and only 2 of us out (on a Saturday).
From: 9126287n@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Contact lenses in the surf?
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:37:51 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


I'd like to know if any surfers out there wear contact lenses while
surfing. An eye specialist advised me that they would be okay, but
I'd like to know whether they can handle it.

So if there are surfers who have similar problems, please reply. On yeah,
I'm using contacts for short-sightedness for 'out-of-surf' use.

Kevyn Lee
Uni.of South Oz
Australia


				OCCY RIPS !!!
From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surfing in Munich (Re; Stationnary waves) + surf report
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:30:49 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

I have a little history on this. I first heard of the 'wave' in munich
from a bunch of australian surfers (in France) years ago. They said
it was kind of an Octoberfest tradition (as well as getting shitfaced
on a bunch of german beer) to search out the wave and ride it. 

So I guess the germans picked it up from all the visiting aussies
who were touring over europe in their combis, complete with boards.

If you are aussie, and reading this, ever heard of a guy 
called Blackhorse/darkhorse ?? He's the guy I heard this from, 
would be about 35+ yrs old now. A certifiable ripper, and a good
bloke, too. He was touring round with a bunch of his mates in
a fried out combi. Kept seeing him everywhere I went one summer

Surf report ... save the net bandwidth yeah.

Went surfing last night due to extreem surf deprevation. 2ft. I 
has a odd surf, too. First of all there was the presence of this
Dino Andino clone in a black vest, and a little kid, can't have
been more that 7 or 8 with a peroxide  (short) mohican. Then
some dude kept throwing M19's (firecrackers (bangers)) of the bluff,
and to top it off the surf was totally weird, really lumpy. 
Occasionally a set of lumps would from into a rideable wave.
Then there were a bunch of stoned 14 year olds sitting under the 
steps, drinking beer. One of the (very young) girls asked me my
name when I got out. Hm. Oh, I forgot the guy with the parrot
and the two old guys fishing ........... 

Welcome to california !

Mike
"A brit in yank land"

Mike
"A brit in yank land"
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Huge Sets Hitting Nicaragua
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

There were sets of 30 ft waves hitting the Pacific coast of Nicaragua
earlier this week. They were due to an undersea earthquake of 7.0 on
the richter scale.  Many people near the coast were swept out of their
homes by the water. The surge was said to have gone inland for at least
a quarter mile. I wonder if the surfers in Costa Rica had any benefits
from this. I think it happened at night, as they said people were swept
out of their beds.

   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
   \___________________________
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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Wetsuits 4/3 vs. 3mm
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:22:43 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I'm looking into buying a new wetsuit and was wondering what thickness
wetsuits people surf in relative to the water temp. I have a 2mm O'neil
Heat suit and feel comfy down to the mid-upper 50's in it. I'm looking
for something to get down to the upper 40's-50 range.

Mahalo, bra'
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
   \___________________________
			     \\
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surfboard Construction
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:26:01 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Well, being that there is no surf to speak of here....
I'l start thinking about board construction again. I was talking with
a guy who works here about his homemade windsurfer project. He is building
a hollow graphite board with two webs. I didn't think this would work
for a surfboard, but his fabrication technique was intriguing. He uses
a vacuum bag to consolidate and squeeze out the excess resin from the
skins. This will give a higher percentage of glass fibers vs. resin.
The vacuum bag is a tighly fitting plastic bag. A vacuum is pulled on
the bag, making it hug the contours of the bag squeezing the excess
resin out.
This will equate to a stronger/stiffer/lighter board. The problem might
be the installation of the skegs. How is this done regularly? (Lud, help
on this question.)  Are the cured fins just stuck into the
foam and glassed over?  To use this vacuum bag process, an investment
of about $1000 (US) would be needed for the vacuum pump and assorted
accesories.  This would be prohibitive for a backyard shaper, but a
big time manufacturer could make up the bucks quickly.
Using the regular hand
layup process, the percentage of glass in the skin is probably near
30-35%. Using the vacuum bag process, you can get near 60%, almost double
the glass in the same thickness.  The weight of the board would be the
same, but it would be stronger and stiffer.  When I'm down at the beach
next weekend, I'm going to try to find John Ashton, a local shaper.
I'll give him some of my ideas and see if he laughs me out of the shop.
I heard that he won the Da'Bull longboard contest in Costa Rica. He
was down there and was cajolled into competing and ended up winning
the bitch. The winner received a free trip to Costa Rica. Not bad for
a contest you didn't plan on entering. Not as cool a prize as Nigel's
video, but It'll do.
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
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From: u2119390@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: re
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:59:44 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

 Yo Danny, I agree with ya man, last years Pipe Masters was all time!!
         That 10 of T.C was a ten on the hellman scale, like Derek Ho 
         pulled back 'cause it was too heavy for him and Tommy just went 
         it blind!! The video Mondo X-trene X-periment by Quiksilver
         has got good footage of that, plus good freesurfing on the 
         North Shore from last winter.

         Later all.........Jay.
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Callin' all Zen Surf Masters
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:12:56 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

>In article <1992Aug18.121650.19401@gdr.bath.ac.uk> you write:
>..... some stuff deleted.
>>
>>If you want to live cheap and surf, head for Latin America.  However,
>                                                              ^^^^^^^
>>there you have to deal with disease, bandidos, poverty, corrupt police,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>and substandard medical care.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>
disease ... check statistics, I don't think you'll find any significant difference
in communicable infectious deseases between here and there.

bandidos... crime rates in US are far higher than anywhere else in the world 
including Central America and Mexico.

poverty.... the worst of the US is about the same as the worst of Central America.

corrupt police.... you mean ours aren't

substandard medical care.... Mexico and much of Central/America has free health
care which means that for someone living cheap, their standards are much higher
than here. At least you won't be chucked out of a hospital because you can't pay.

Jim Munro
From: crp5754@erfsys06.ca.boeing.com (chris payne)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Style
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:42:13 GMT
Organization: Boeing Electromagnetics & RF Systems, Seattle WA USA

In article <1992Aug26.010944.29809@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> cnquinn@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Clark Quinn) writes:
>>Honorable mention (for those movies you just HAVE TO include):
>
> North Shore - "What?!" you say, "that's a turkey!".  Yes, but there is
> ONE redeeming feature of that movie, and I don't mean the bimbo.  

There's another redeeming feature (actually quite a few - I *liked*
North Shore). It does give one of the better representations of North
Shore life.  Most surf movies (and surf magazines for that matter) treat
the North Shore from the viewpoint of a tourist.  Everything besides the
waves, including the people, are just scenery, not real.  N.S. at least
recognized that there are people living there, and they have their own
culture, and its *their* island.

Subnote: North Shore was made by John Milius, a surfer and friend of 
Gerry Lopez.  He also made Big Wednesday (which has received quite a 
few votes in the surfvey) as well as Conan (which has not).  Gerry
Lopez appeared in all of these movies, what a life, yeah?

> The
> notion of progressing through the history of surf as a method of
> learning surfing is an interesting idea.  Not new, not even
> necessarily good, but interesting.  There's something to be said for
> every frogsquat shortboard surfrat taking some time to ride a
> longboard ("mal"), or even an egg ("mini-mal"?) and learning some of
> the *elegance* of surfing.  I sure bemoan the total transition from
> any sense of style to the thrash-or-burn mentality.
>
I switched from shortboards to longboards to minilongboards and I doubt
I'll ever go back.  The smooth, drawn out, stylish turns far outweigh
any loss in totally-way-radical maneuvers.

              > >         Aloha,
         >      > >         Chris P. crp5754@erfsys01.boeing.com
     >        >   >>        Surfs-with-Turtles 
>             >    >      
               >          "We were friends who rode the waves,
                  >        the time we spent in our younger days,
                       >   was all in fun. Oh the good times that we had!"
                           ^
                           "Three friends theme" from Big Wednesday.

Keep those votes coming!!
From: Danny.Clark@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Danny Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Costa Rica
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:47:51 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


  Although it's not much, try looking in the new issue of SURFING
mag. It's November 1992, page 17. They have a small article on
Costa Rica. Don't by it just for that, go to a bookstore and just
read it there.

                           DannyZ

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