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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Selfish
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:24:39 GMT

tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
>If you expected this article to be about Magic, you're right.

>I believe that what Magic is doing is very selfish.   I continue to
>have little respect for the man.  Why?  Not because of the money.  If
>the Lakers are foolish enough to pay him, that's their problem.  It is
>a business transaction for both parties, from which both stand to 
>profit.  But because I believe he is putting himself before all the 
>other players in the league.  Magic has a disease which is fatal to all
>who contract it.  The way that this disease is communicated is through
>blood.  Although the odds are probably pretty low, there still remains
>a chance that some contact with Magic might cause blood to flow.  Teeth
>can easilty break through someone's skin if hard contact is made.  That
>is the nature of the game of basketball, especially in the NBA.  Anyone
>who denies that this is a possibility is just fooling themselves.  If 
>Magic was concerned about his peers, he would not put them in the 
>situation where they are threatened.  I know most of his peers say that
>they support Magic, and that's great.  But it would still be the "right"
>thing to do for Magic not to risk their lives, just for his own 
>happiness.

	This thing I think everyone has to realize is that Magic has not
	been diagnosed w/ AIDS as of yet.  He has the HIV virus, which means
	the deadly AIDS virus has not yet developed.  While the chances are
	that Magic may develop the disease, he hasn't yet.  Meanwhile,
	research is currently searching for a cure.  Who knows, they may find
	a vaccine yet.  

	Besides, the arguement has been brought up many times that perhaps
	Magic isn't the only person in the NBA w/ HIV/AIDS.  Magic wasn't
	the only one who used to live that lifestyle..

	Jazzy J
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From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Boston Celtics Mailing List
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:42:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <1992Oct2.190635.11087@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 	A Boston Celtics mailing list has been created by me.  Following
|> is the procedure for posting and subscribing for those who are interested.
|> 
|> 	The address for the list is 'celtics@dartmouth.edu'  This address is
|> for mass mailings to the entire list *only*!  Subscribe and unsubscribe
|> messages should be sent to *celtics-request@dartmouth.edu*  (Please use this
|>                                     ^^^^^^^
|> address as opposed to my personal e-mail address, as I will be filtering by
|> header.)  Feel free to pass this information on, but *all* subscribe
|> messages should go to the *request* address (Can you tell I'm on some
|> mailing lists already :-))
|> 
|> 
|> C Squared
SO what's the exact message that should be sent for subscription?
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:25:48 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Oct1.004731.19148@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>
>The Lakers won't win the Pacific Division.  Big deal.  But when it comes
>playoff time, they will be very serious contenders.  If Magic and
>most of the rest of the team remains healthy, more likely than not,
>you can look for them in the Finals.
>
>The may not be able to get past the Bulls, but you can bet the farm
>they'll get past Portland.  Magic and the Lakers have always had their
>number.  The new Suns may be a wildcard, but there's no history of winning
>there, either.  Forget about the rest of the West in the playoffs.
>
>People simply don't realize how potentially strong this team is.
>
>With Magic back to kick his ass and get him the ball, Vlade goes from
>being an inconsistent and mediocre center to being one of the top-flight
>centers in the league (see Conference Finals and Finals, 1991) -- and
>certainly one of the best centers on a serious championship contender.
>
>Sedale Threatt provides the one major thing the 1991 team was missing:
>a very solid backup for Magic.
>
>And don't underestimate the impact of acquiring James Edwards.  Buddha
>can still play.
>
>The key is whether Worthy can come back to his pre-injury form, and
>if everybody can remain reasonably healthy.
>
>If so, watch out come June.

I'd have to agree.  One thing that people forget about the Lakers is just
how much they had to endure over the season.  It's not just losing a hoops
legend, but to HIV+...quite a shock not to mention all the off court stuff
that had to be on their minds everytime they got into a game.  Worthy, Divac,
Perkins...all gone for major parts of the season.  No chemistry, no nothing.
And...with basically no chance to make the playoffs in the last few games,
they pull out some very gut wrenching victories.

This is a team...that coming back and coming together might be very dangerous
and even improved from 1990 since Randy Pfund wants to uptempo and Sedale
Threatt is around.  People don't realize just how much Threatt means to the
team, I mean he was definitely the MVP.  He can play point guard fairly well,
I'm sure many, many teams would love to have 15 ppg, 49% (team leading) FG%
and decent assists...and this from playing on a team with no punch.  NOT
only does he give the Lakers that all-important extra ballhandler, but how
about a guard who defends better, shoots more consistently than Byron Scott
and also one who can take it to the basket beside Magic?  Remind anyone of
Norm Nixon when he and Magic had 1500 assists between each other?

There are a lot of ifs here...but I'm really happy to see Magic back in the
game, it's going to be a very interesting season.
From: ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's back
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:04:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep30.172408.10330@Princeton.EDU>, hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.ED
U (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
>In article <38793@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writ
es:
>
>Now that THE MAGIC is going to back on the court, there are 2 interesting
>questions that pop up....
>
>1) How easily is LA going to adjust to the 'no-magic' games.  Having a
>team member coming in and out seriously affects team chemistry. Will
>Sedale Threatt step up those nights that Magic is not available ?
>Pfund has the unenviable task of making this work and handling the
>LA media in the midst of all this turbulence.
>
Threatt will have a tough time filling in, but Pfund might have to run plays
for each different man to run.  The bottom line is the Lakers are a much
better team with Magic running the show for however many games he decides to
play.

>2) Will the Oakleys and the Laimbeers of the laegue foul Magic hard when
>he drives in the lanes. This is a moot point.. On one hand a professional
>athlete has to play his best, but in a situation where you are playing
>physical against Magic, bleeding and exchange of infection cannot be
>ruled out. This is going to be a very touchy issue as Magic is very
>popular among the fans and (most) players.
>
> While it can't be ruled out after the players have seen Magic play in the
All - Star game and the Olympics I think thet'll feel comfortable enough to
play with him.  There minds will be on basketball once the game begins not on
getting sick.  I remember in the All- Star game Barkley fouled Magic pretty
hard and he just got right back up.
>Ramesh Hariharan@phoenix.princeton.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:46:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38933
Organization: University of California, San Diego

(Terry Wong) writes:
>Contract extensions and resignings of any kind are exempt from the cap.
>You are under a false impression on how the cap works.  About half the teams
> in the NBA are currently well over the cap.
>For example, Boston last year had a team salary of 25 million, about 12
>million over the cap.  So in 94, the Lakers will have a team salary of
>about 29 million.  It doesn't matter.  The only thing this does is
>limit the moves they can make to sign free agents and draft choices.

Well, let's look at the ages of a few current Lakers:

Player		born		age by end of 94-95 season
James Edwards	11-22-55	39
A. C. Green	10-04-63        31
Sam Perkins	 6-14-61	34
Byron Scott	 3-28-61        34
Sedale Threatt   9-10-61        33
James Worthy     2-27-61        34

And of course Magic, 8-14-59, will be 35.

By '94-'95, many of these guys will be retired, or getting up and
down the court with canes.  If the Lakers can't sign draft picks or
free agents to replace or spell them, that's a pretty significant
problem.

A frightening thought just occurred to me:  if Magic plays two more
seasons and then retires (for real) before the 94-95 season, does
this give the Lakers a $7.3 million exception that they can use to
go out and sign, say, four players at $1.825 million each?  Could
this be the gaping loophole in salary cap rules that West and Buss
have discovered?

The salary cap needs to be seriously revamped.  This silly rule that
you can use unlimited amounts to sign your own player to an
extension is absurd.

Tony

P.S.  Happy birthday, A.C.!
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From: johneco@cns.nyu.edu (John Econopouly)
Subject: Re: Clippers
Reply-To: johneco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:38:55 GMT

In article 1af100INN5a7@gap.caltech.edu, rpm@wag.caltech.edu (Richard P. Muller) writes:
> 
> (2) What kind of outside shooter is Jackson? He looked pretty good in
> the playoffs against the Bulls. Outside shooting is still the Clippers
> weakness.
> 
Mark Jackson is a decent outside shooter, but not great.  Just barely good enough
to keep teams from sagging off him to protect the drive.  He has an unorthodox
release from outside, kind of flat -- actually he has an unorthodox floater off his drives too, but that tends to be very high-percentage.  Mark has often been clutch
shooter in end-of-game situations, especially in his first 2 years.

> (3) What kind of playmaker is Jackson? Harper, especially, depends upon
> a great playmaker for his game. He has poor shot selection when he has
> to think about it on his own, but can be awesome if he has someone to 
> give him a great shot.
> 
Mark is a great playmaker.  He's very intelligent, and makes good decisions.  He's
slow compared to most point guards, which is a liabilkity on defense, but he 
makes up for it on offense with excellent dribbling skills, deceptive moves,
and above all brains and amazing passing skills.  I wish he were still running the
show here, passing will be our main weakness this year in NY.
j




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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Gaze in the NBA?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:08:49 GMT

CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY) writes:
>[...] he has many attributes similar
>to Chris Mullin, he is a good shooter, ball-handler, is unselfish and 
>possesses good court savy.  What do you think?

I also have many attributes similar to Chris Mullin (including, but
not limited to, being handsome and drinking much less beer than I used
to) but that doesn't make me an NBA player.

What makes Mullin and NBA superstar is not his shooting touch or
unselfishness.  It's his hard work, dammit.  If Andrew Gaze had half
the dedication that Mullin has, he would have played at Seton Hall for
at least another year; he'd work harder on all aspects of his game;
and after being cut once, he'd hang around and try again and again to
make it.

You think that Mullin was born with all that "good court savvy?"  No,
he worked on it all day long and all night long for years and years.
And so does every other kid who wants to play in the NBA.  I'm not
saying that Gaze can't make it in the NBA -- but he'll have to want it
very badly and be willing to make sacrifices and overcome a lot of
frustrations.  And even then he could fail.

So what, he's a big star in division II in Italy and you think the NBA
will come chasing after him?  They're not going to.  They got dozens
of players like him busting their butts in summer camps hoping for a
chance to be the twelfth man somewhere, and if they don't make it
they'll play in the CBA and try some more.

Gaze is probably having more fun and making more money in Italy, and
that's just fine.  He probably doesn't have the fire to want to be in
the NBA.

Look at Drazen Petrovic.  He was a really big star in Europe (easily
the best guard) and still it took him several years of bench time and
frustration to make it in the NBA.  It's more than talent (and he is
much more talented than Gaze).  It's the hard work and dedication and
being ready to go through this mental and physical boot-camp.  Without
it, your lovely jumpshot is just meaningless.


--Gidi
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Anthony Avent
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:12:00 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: priddy.cs.utexas.edu

Who has the rights to Anthony Avent?  I thought that he had definite
NBA potential when he played for Seton Hall, but then he chose
the european route...  Also, how many years is he contracted to play in 
Europe?

Rick
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:33:56 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <1afqf9INNhn@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:
>ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>
>>Now, if he came back for a season, led his underdog club from nowhere
>>to a championship, that would be going out on a legendary note.
>>And that would also go a long way in erasing the stigma that is
>>associated with people who've contracted the HIV virus.
>
>Exactly what stigma is that? The one that says people who have HIV, but
>not AIDS, in their physical prime, can't play sports? I've never heard
>that particular stigma about HIV-infected people.

The stigma that says people who've contracted the HIV virus 
cannot do all the things that a normal, healthy person can do.
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic un-retires
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:53:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38934
Organization: University of California, San Diego

ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Karl Witte) writes:
>> overwhelmed by the Bulls, but Magic upset the Blazers (I'll never forget
>> him flinging the ball down the court in game 6 to make sure the Blazers
>> couldn't foul)
>
>That was probably the most heads-up play I've seen in years.
>
>As for the rest of it, I think Magic would have been better off in
>retirement.

Agreed.  His career had the best ending it could have had, and now
he's ruining it.  In his last season, he led his team to an
improbable conference championship with brilliant play in the
conference finals.  He came back to win the All-Star MVP, win a gold
medal at the Olympics-- with Larry Bird, appropriately enough, as a
teammate-- and synchronize his retirement with Bird.  I couldn't
have written it better if it were fiction.

>I always had a
>lot of respect for Magic, but this is just a money grab on his part, and
>I'm sad to see it happen.

I don't believe it's a money grab.  The money was coming to him,
whether he played or not.  It's an addiction thing.  The man is
literally addicted to basketball, and can't imagine his life without
it.

Tony
From: cadet@spade.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: 800 # for Madison Square garden
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:37:16 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'd like to call MSG and get tickets for the Knicks games.
Anyone knows it?
JC
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From: mtobler@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Heat Trade Update
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:53:37 PDT

In reading todays L.A. times writer Allan Mallamud states
In reading todays L.A. Times columnist Allan Mallamud
stated that the Rockets were very serious about making
a trade with the Heat.  Hakeem for a package including
Seikaly and first rounder Harold Miner.  

The Heat are already deep at guard so Miner is no loss.
The big question is who the third, maybe fourth player
would be.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Selfish
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:29:35 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <606@wavefront.wti.com> ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>I am willing to bet that in the 100 odd years of basketball, there
>has never been a case of two player colliding and both of them
>bleeding and a "blood transfusion" of sorts occurring. Agreed, it
>is a possibility, but the odds of that occurring are probably
>less than a player banging his head against the board and paralysising

Well it happened less than 2 years ago in an Italian soccer game(and
yes it has now been confirmed by both the CDC and the World Health
Organization, as was the other case i posted last year that was labelled
an urban myth).

2 players butted heads during the game. One was HIV + the other was not.
The HIV+ player now has full blown AIDS, the other player tested HIV+.
The incident occurred while being filmed and they used the video as
evidence in determining the source of transmission.

The odds are very high, but it can happen.Saying it cannot is just not
accurate.



Russ Smith
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From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:30:38 GMT

I wrote:
>|> My theory is that the Pistons didn't even want him that much but thought
>|> that Jersey would match the offer.  After all, it worked with Jon Koncak.
>|> I can just picture Detroit's front office personnel, sitting around in
>|> shock.  "What do you mean, they didn't match the offer?!?!?"

Igor Sheyn writes:
>It's a ridiculous suggestion. What's the point of making an offer
>if u don't really want a player? Just to spoil other team's salary pictures?
>WHen the team is not even in your division?

Well, I made the suggestion partly in jest.  Maybe Detroit saw the chance
to hurt Chuck Daly?  I dunno.  Mostly, though, I just can't understand why
they would give a loser like Mills that kind of money.  Mills and Aguirre
on the same team, oh boy.  There certainly is no rational reason to give
him the money, so any theory, no matter how outlandish, has to be considered.

"Hello, is this Willis Reed?  Willis, this is Jack McCloskey.  You know
this Terry Mills thing?  Well really, Willis, it was all a joke.  We were
only kidding.  Can't you guys take a joke?"

Bob Davis
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:20:52 GMT


Now that I think about it, I have to disagree about Vlade too.  With
Magic he remains inconsistent and incomplete.  The 1991 series proved
that he could score when people left him open.  What was not noticed
was that the Lakers knew that he couldn't defend a old Bill Cartwright
and so played him out of position against Horace Grant who destroyed 
him off the boards in the final four games and shot 67% for the series
largely because Vlade couldn't/wouldn't keep him farther from th
basket than 3 feet.  That's the type of hard-nosed defense that makes
him one of the great centers in the league.

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:28:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.152615.59847@uvmark.uucp>
davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
 
>Well, possibly payback to the coach that left the team to go the the Nets???
>Sort of a "leave us, we will make sure you have no money to work with...
 
Then why aren't the Pistons going after Morris? They said if the Nets
matched their offer for Mills, then they'd make the same offer to Morris.
But that still wouldn't put the Nets over the cap. The Pistons are the ones
who need to come up with more money now.
 
This idea that the Pistons wanted to hurt the Nets and Daly is stupid, and
it's going to turn into a r.s.b.pro *FACT* (tm) now isn't it?
The Pistons *wanted* Mills becuz he's young, talented, and they knew how
much he really weighed (under 260, the Nets thought it was 274).
 
>Not saying this is what happened, but it kind of strange with the variety of
>other PF types available, the Pistons would offer Terry Mills that kind of
>money.
 
Name a better free agent they could get for that money, one who
is 24 or younger, a big man, and has a decent inside game (something that
was missing on the Pistons). While you're at it, make sure he's a Michgan
basketball hero who'd really love to play for the Pistons.
 
--Eric
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