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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: VT320 Printing problem thru Windows
From: MARK@OJC.COLORADO.EDU
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:43:52 -0700
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        Happy Holidays everyone,
 
        I have a question about the VT320 Emulator/Windows program that
        comes with pathworks.  We have a user who is connected to a HP
        Laserjet IIIsi printer service on LPT1.  When she logs in and prints
        from the VAX using the print screen (F2), everything seems to work
        ok.  However, there are cases in which she will need to set host
        to an IBM mainframe and get screen prints from there also.  When
        she does this, the escape codes are showing up on certain letters
        and numbers that are bolded, and so forth.  I can use the SETHOST
        program and do the same thing, and everything prints off fine, but
        she would like to continue using the windows based program rather
        than using the SETHOST.  In the SETHOST, there is an option when
        configuring the printer to tell it whether it is a DEC printer or
        not...  When I got it to work thru SETHOST, I had told it that
        the printer was not DEC's.  When I told SETHOST that the printer
        was a DEC printer, the same thing happened as in the windows program.
 
        Does anyone know of a way to tell VT320 in windows that it is not
        a DEC printer?  I have the HP Laserjet IIIsi selected thru the
        control panel...
 
        Thanks,
 
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        ~       Mark Allen              | Internet: MARK@OJC.COLORADO.EDU ~
        ~       Computer Programmer C   | DECNET:   OJC::MARK             ~
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: checking the netserver.log file
From: "Ron Wu, SC2-24, 5-2368." <RWU@MATTEC.INTEL.COM>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:03:52 -0800 (PST)
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        Many people may have experienced with this but for those who
does not, I found checking the netserver.log file can be a usefull
debugging tool.
        One of my users having problem using the Pathwork MAIL, when
he tries to log on, he got a connection timed out message. I asked to
make sure the password is correct, I also checked his process quota
in sysuaf just in case he didn't limited out on process limit or maxjob
limit, then I looked in his root directory and saw the netserver.log
file. It turned out in his login.com file, one of the command had bombed.
which caused the login to stop and eventually cause the connection to
timed out.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Remote boot not booting.
From: Paul Grieggs <PMGRIEGG@IUP.BITNET>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:06:00 -0500 (EST)
X-Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania
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>
>         Hi, Pathworks people.
>
>         I am having a great deal of difficulty setting up a pc to "remote boot
   "
> from our Pathworks 4.1 server.  I have run the DOSLOAD utility to copy DOS to
> the server but if I do a directory of the created dos directory all the files
> show up as 0 bytes.  I have tried looking it up in the manual but it keeps
> refering to the manual "Client Installation and Configuration Guide for the
> VMS Server".  This manual is not listed in my Pathworks for DOS kit packing
> list, so I would assume it comes in another kit.
>
>         If there is anyone out there in net-land that has some expeience with
> remote boot, I could use some pointers.  Specificaly, how do I get that manual
   ,
> and any "tricks" necessary to get the pc to remote boot.
>
>         BTW the pc in question has a DE202-aa installed and works well from th
   e
> hard drive.  The final application is for an academic lab full of diskless
> workstations.
>
>         Thanks in advance.
>
>         Art Hand
>         Marshall University Computer Center
>         HAND@MARSHALL.WVNET.EDU
 
It sounds like you do not have "PUBLIC" access to the PCSAV41 system
file service.  From VMS, issue the command:
 
    $ PCSA GRANT/GROUP PUBLIC PCSAV41 /ACCESS=READ
 
 
==========
Paul Grieggs                                     PMGRIEGG@IUP.BITNET
Data Communications Manager                      PMGRIEGG@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Indiana University of PA
From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Windows mail interface for UNIX mail
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:56:08 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com


In article <1992Dec12.045857.5800@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom) writes:
|> >                      laverty@genitd.UUCP (Mark Laverty)
|> >                     Windows mail interface for unix mail
|> >
|> >I am using the mail application that came with pathworks for our PC's.
|> >It works well, but we would like a Microsoft Windows version of this.
|> >
|> >Is ALL-IN-ONE mail equivalent to the DOS version of pathworks mail? 
|> >That is, is it a windows interface to the Rand Mail Handler that uses DECNET as
|> >a transport?   
|> 
|>     ALL-IN-1 MAIL, now named DEC MAILworks, is an X.400 mail product
|>     that consists of several user interfaces (for different platforms;
|>     DOS, Windows, Macintosh, Motif, VT-terminals, whatever) and a server
|>     part that interfaces to the MAILbus products (Message Router et al).
|> 
|>     And, fwiw, with MAILworks a VMS server is a requirement for now.
|>     
|>     Today we are not shipping a Windows interface that'd correspond to
|>     the current PATHWORKS Mail program. It is being planned for a future
|>     release (of PATHWORKS).
|>     
|>     One alternate approach could be the DECwindows/Motif mail utility,
|>     which also interfaces to MH on ULTRIX. You could use it with an X
|>     Server for Windows (like, e.g., Digital's eXcursion for Windows).
|>     
|>     ...petri (petri.backstrom@ljo.mts.dec.com)
|>        Personal Computing Integration Engineering
|>        Digital Equipment Corporation
This is a very serious weakness for the DEC pathworks products.  We are writting
internally a pop3 mail client for under windows, and the rough proof of
technology effort to date hasn't been that hard to write.  I always marvel at DEC
leaving out those things which would make the product "really nice" and would
keep out the competition!
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
From: bleau@umdsp.umd.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: checking the netserver.log file
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:22:57 GMT
Reply-To: bleau@umdsp.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland Physics Dept.

In article <9212162303.utk29116@MATTEC.intel.com>, RWU@MATTEC.INTEL.COM (Ron Wu, SC2-24, 5-2368.) writes:
>
>        Many people may have experienced with this but for those who
>does not, I found checking the netserver.log file can be a usefull
>debugging tool.
>        One of my users having problem using the Pathwork MAIL, when
>he tries to log on, he got a connection timed out message. I asked to
>make sure the password is correct, I also checked his process quota
>in sysuaf just in case he didn't limited out on process limit or maxjob
>limit, then I looked in his root directory and saw the netserver.log
>file. It turned out in his login.com file, one of the command had bombed.
>which caused the login to stop and eventually cause the connection to
>timed out.

What I've recommended to my users is that they put a 
        $ SET NOON
at the start of their LOGIN.COM file.  So, if there are any errors life just
goes on nicely.  

Another technique is to use
        $ ON ERROR THEN GOTO xxx
where xxx is a label that'll handle error processing.  If you want the
LOGIN.COM to just quit if that happens, but not bomb the rest of the job, then
at label xxx just do an
        $ EXIT 1
You need the "1" as a return status code, or the error code that resulted from
the original error gets passed back to whatever called LOGIN.COM, and it could
bomb, hanging the job, etc.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: sa@ais.org (Scott Almburg)
Subject: Pathworks <==> TCP/IP
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:38:11 GMT


We have a small DECNET  LAN running PATHWORKS on thinnet.  About a
dozen PC's running DOS  and a MicroVax running VMS.  Is it possible
to connect a UNIX box to the LAN that needs to run TCP/IP?



Do we need a router between   the TCP/IP  side and the Pathworks side?



Scott Almburg
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: help me subscribe please
From: Alison Symonds <asymonds@CSM.AC.UK>
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:31:31 -0300 (BST)
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Help me subscribe please.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: iversen@dsfys1.fi.uib.no (Per Steinar Iversen)
Subject: LAT without DECnet?
Reply-To: iversen@vsfys1.fi.uib.no
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:59:26 GMT



Some days ago I asked about using an old PC as a printserver. Two solutions
seems to be possible: Using an LPD-server for the KA9Q package, or using 
the LAT printer sharing system for Pathworks. I have tried to test the LAT idea,
but LAT/DOS seems somehow bound to DECnet, which we can not use for PCs 
(only 1024 nodes/area and all that), we have to use TCP/IP. So, is there a way
to trick the DOS client into starting LAT without DECnet?
 
-psi

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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Downloading soft fonts to HPs
From: TILLOTSON@ALISUVAX.BITNET
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:42:18 -0500
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>      No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthru
                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^
     We setup all of our terminal server ports for printer as
     "Pasthru".  Don't know if this will solve your problem,
     but it's worth a try.
 
     Jenett Tillotson
     Ames Laboratory
     TILLOTSON@ALISVUAX.BITNET or TILLOTSON@AMESLAB.GOV
     (515) 294-7908
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: White paper on Windows for Workgroups & Pathworks
From: TILLOTSON@ALISUVAX.BITNET
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:10:19 -0500
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     HOWDY!
 
     Here is the document - just like you asked.  I hope that
     it's not too long to post here!  I tried these steps and
     Windows for Workgroups worked like a charm!  Amazing, isn't
     it?
 
     Jenett Tillotson
 
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: khan@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Mumit Khan)
Subject: Re: Windows For Workgroups & Pathworks
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, University of Wisconsin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.234928.63@dmdscs.com> jrkdmd@dmdscs.com (Joe Krulewicz) writes:
>In article <johnson-151292153209@flamal.ssd.loral.com>, johnson@ssvax1.ssd.loral.com (Christopher Johnson) writes:
>
>There is a white paper in Postscript format detailing how to set this up
>"published by DEC" it is availible on Compu$serve and DECUServe.
>
>-Joe
>jrkdmd@dmdscs.com

for those of us w/out Compuserve and DECUServe access, would a kind soul
please post this lovely document (I've been waiting for something like 
this for a few weeks now!) to this newsgroup or simply mail it to me.

thanks in advance
mumit -- khan@xraylith.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Lansess & Windows 3.1 & DOS 5.0
From: EGGER <egger@MPI-FG-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:41:29 -0500
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Hello,
we are just experienced one funny thing. We are using MS-DOS 5.0,
MS-Windows 3.1 and PCSA 4.1.
We configured our workstations with everything loaded into EMS, including
Lansess. The redirector is loaded into conventional memory, while Dos is
loaded high.
What we tried is loading windows, then exit to DOS and issuing commands
relying on network funktions. Simple commands like use or net list.
In nearly all cases, when trying to exit to windows we'll be informed that
this tasks was communicating with the network. When returning to windows
the PC hangs.
The solution was not to load lansess.
But i didn't find any hint why i shouldn't load lansess.
Could someone out there help ?
Please e-mail me directly amd i'll summarize to the list.
Thanks in advance.
 
e-mail: egger@mpi-fg-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Job Spawner applications
From: fw_koef@NLTH01.DECNET.PHILIPS.NL
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:16:32 +0100
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Are there any known applications to use with the Job Spawner, besides
FAL and DTR/DTS?
 
What I like to do is (you guessed it) connect to the PC from a VAX using
SET HOST <pc-node name>...
 
--
de Koef                                 fw_koef@nlth01.decnet.philips.nl
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Pathworks Netware Co-existance
From: Gregg Pentecost X6228 IC44 <PENTECOST@BROOK.BITNET>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:15:31 -0400
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> I have some 'funnies' happening.... like I can't connect to anymore Pathworks
> services after I login to the Novell server?
 
Mark,
 
Hmmm.  That must have been the only problem that I didn't encounter ;-)
What happens when you try to connect?  Disk services, file services or
both?  Version numbers?  Could the Novell net be mapping those drive
letters?  I may be reached directly at PENTECOST@BROOK.BITNET.
 
Gregg.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: Pathworks Desktop Backup
From: alistair@myrddn.mits.com.au
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:27:26 +1000
Nntp-Posting-User: alistair

In article <1gnll3INNcpc@savoy.cc.williams.edu>, 
anderson@Williams.EDU writes:
>   Who out there in netland is using Pathorks Desktop Backup?  I've got it up
> and running here and am fairly satisfied with it's performance.  Installation
> and setup left a bit to be desired, though.  I'd like to get together with
> other's running ht product to compare notes and setups.

We are just in the process of setting it up.  In general, it seems to
do a good job.  I have two suggestions for improvements:

1.  One of the features which I thought attractive was the use of VMS
style backup savesets being used.  This meant that a proven format was
being used, and I expected to be able to recover files to VMS. 
However, using VMS Backup to retrieve files results in files with two
of the header attributes incorrectly set.  From memory:  The Record
Format is set to varibale length records instead of Stream_CR, and the
End of file block and End of file byte are always set to the space
allocated for the file, effectively making it impossible to restore
the files to VMS (after fixing the record format you end up with a
whole heap of rubbish at the end of the file.

2.  There  is no way (that I could find) to extract "foreign"
savesets.  Desktop Backup stores a record of the savesets created in
Rdb, and will only restore savesets which it knows about.  There
should be a way of specifying a saveset for which there are no
records.  This can be got around by using RDO to write over the
saveset name for an existing record.


Thanks,

Alistair Grant

Internet:     alistair@mits.com.au
Alternate:    alistair%mits.com.au@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: sxjlh@eagle.uacn.alaska.edu (Jeffrey L. Harrison)
Subject: RE: Q: A1MAIL and the internet?
Reply-To: sxjlh@eagle.uacn.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:04:50 GMT

perhaps I missed an answer to this one but just in case I didn't.

use "mx%""<user@host.domain>"""@mrgate

it is the parsing of the quotes that a1mail (mailworks) can't handle
if done improperly. it might look complicated but it isn't too bad if
you remember the 1-2-3 rule on the quotes.

If you have a product like PMDF you won't need to deal with the
quotes and would send to an address like user@host.domain@IN
--
Jeff Harrison                                sxjlh@eagle.uacn.alaska.edu
Systems Programmer III                       sxjlh@alaska.bitnet
University of Alaska Computer Network        907.474.6329
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: outafrl@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: Excel/Q+E won't connect to Rdb
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:12:41 GMT

In article <9212091438.A01986@ccmail.nhq.sony.com>, wattsp@CCMAIL.NHQ.SONY.COM (Paul Watts) writes:
> 
>     It sounds like you need to use NCP on the PC to define the node name and
>     number of the Rdb database servers.

This is not the problem. We have been using DECnet and PathWorks successfully
on over 100 PC's and File/Disk services work well, as well as SET HOST,
both over CTERM and LAT.

>     If not, try some other PC application that uses the Rdb database
>     (DECquery or Paradox with SQL Link) and report the results.

I'd like to, but we don't have them. I'm hoping to get some reaction from
other who have this working. We may end up buying DECquery, but cannot try
this at this stage.

Does Q+E connect to the SQLSRV process or to the RDB$REMOTE object?

Will Q+E V3.0a full version (as opposed to the subset of drivers shipped
with Excel V4.0) have more success?

Does Q+E V3.0a work with Rdb V4.1?  MicroSoft Australia told us that a new
Q+E driver is needed for Rdb V4.1, but they don't have a Rdb system available
for testing.

Any help appreciated . . .

Keith Wallace
Sanitarium Research Laboratories
Cooranbong  NSW  Australia
via OUTAFRL@CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Zenith Z-Notes on PATHWORKS
From: David Woodall <DVWOODALL@TAYLORU.BITNET>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 11:02:00 -0500 (EST)
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"Gordon Cressman RTI (919) 541-6363" <GMC%SSIDW1@RTI.BITNET> Says:
>
>I'm considering purchase of Zenith Z-Note laptops.  Has anyone tried to use
>the Z-Note Ethernet interface on a PATHWORKS network?  Does it work?  Any
>special adjustments?
>
>-gmc@rcc.rti.org
 
We don't have Z-Note systems, but a Z-Station we have works just fine with
PATHWORKS using the NDIS (Lan Manager) driver.
 
 
------------------------------------------------------------
David Woodall                      BITNET: DVWOODAL@TAYLORU
Systems & Development Leader
Taylor University
Upland, IN
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From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: PC DECwindows Motif Options
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:47:38 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <01GSAUJ5P5Z494DVH6@TAYLORU>, DVWOODALL@TAYLORU.BITNET (David Woodall) writes:
> What are others doing that are using PCs to access Motif?  Are there any
> trade-offs I have not discovered?

  I'm using eXcursion under Microsoft Windows. I switched from the DWDOS
stuff for a number of reasons:

  1) I have a 1280x1024 24-bit video card. eXcursion works with any Windows-
     supported card *, while I'm limited to a small number of low-res cards
     with DWDOS.

  2) eXcursion comes with fonts needed to work with other systems as well as
     DEC (Open Look, MIT).

  3) eXcursion is "supported". Most of the useful ways to get Motif-style
     operation in DWDOS is "unsupported".

  4) eXcursion will work with a variety of TCP stacks. As long as you have
     one of them and Windows, you're set. No need to drag the rest of PCSA
     onto the PC if you only want windows.

* Note that eXcursion 1.0 has a bug in 24-bit support. Icons and grayed sel-
  ections are invisible. I am assured that this is fixed in 1.1. If I ever
  get my 1.1 delivery, I'll find out 8-(.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Lansess & Windows 3.1 & DOS 5.0
From: bachism <BACHISM@JHUDEV.DEV.JHU.EDU>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:11:42 -0500
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I receive the same messages intermittenly and I too am using Lansess.  Please
inform me of any possible solutions
 
BACHISM@JHUDEV.DEV.JHU.EDU
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Pathworks Desktop Backup
From: Gregg Pentecost X6228 IC44 <PENTECOST@BROOK.BITNET>
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:19:44 -0400
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>   Who out there in netland is using Pathorks Desktop Backup?  I've got it up
> and running here and am fairly satisfied with it's performance.  Installation
> and setup left a bit to be desired, though.  I'd like to get together with
> other's running ht product to compare notes and setups.
>
 
Jim,
 
I'd be grateful if you posted or sent along any installation guidelines /
general notes that turn up.  This is my next project...
 
Thanks.  Gregg
 
PENTECOST@BROOK.BITNET
From: slang@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Pathwks equiv to Netware Share flag?
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:22:10 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

We have a couple of applications that need to share a relativly normal text
file. Unfortunately both are trying to open it exclusively in non-shared mode.

Under Netware, this works if you flag the file as Shareable. This allows both
programs to exclusively open the file in a non-shared mode.

One of these applications is written in DBase IV, so modification of this may
not be possible.

If the two programs would just open the file in Shared mode, all would be fine.

What I need to know is, is there an equivalent under the Ultrix/VMS pathworks
server of specifying a file as Shareable, so both programs can happily open the
file?

I know that this is a hopeless solution, and the software should be re-written,
but that is out of my control.

BTW: Only one program writes to the file, the other one only reads.

TIA.

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