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From: jim@edscom.demon.co.uk (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 Longwave
X-Disclaimer: #include <std/witty/disclaimer.h>
Reply-To: Jim Thomas <jthomas@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
	<JIM.92Oct8164234@runningbear.edscom.demon.co.uk>
	<1992Oct9.104140.13147@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:20:48 GMT

>>>>> In article <1992Oct9.104140.13147@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, "||" ==
>>>>> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:


||> In article <JIM.92Oct8164234@runningbear.edscom.demon.co.uk>,
||> jim@edscom.demon.co.uk (Jim Thomas) writes: |> The best solution
||> would be to privatise Radio 4 and let the market |> (and the
||> advertisers) decide what is really popular.

||> This is a fine solution for a country that is large enough to be
||> able to afford significant niche markets.  Not a terribly effective
||> one, but fine for (say) the USA.

||> MOST PEOPLE couldn't care a tuppenny cuss about decent drama.  MOST
||> PEOPLE are horrified at the concept of being intellectually
||> stretched by what they take for entertainment.

||> The BBC is (or used to be) one of the wonders of the world.  It got
||> that way through enlightened (though often extremely eccentric)
||> management.  The present pressure for populism threatens to destroy
||> the BBC as we know it, and the commercial sector is already
||> adequately covering the needs of the people for popular culture.

||> Say after me: COMPETITION DOES NOT NECESSARILY ENHANCE CHOICE
||> Robin (come back John Drummond)

It does enhance the choice for the majority of people who do not
want to listen to toffy nosed people in their ivory towers speculating
endlessly on news that no normal person cares about. The best thing to
do would be to sell off Radio 4 as a shopping by radio channel.

Classic FM has shown us what a commercial organisation can do where
the BBC has failed.

Jim Thomas
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,connect.audit
From: alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon)
Subject: Re: Cheap mobile access
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:25:47 GMT

THE NEW MOBILE TARIFFS
======================
                              Cellnet Lifetime        Vodafone Lowcall
                                  
Connection                        30                        30
Line Rental                       15                        15
  per month
Call charges                      50p  8am - 7pm              46
  per minute                      20p  7pm - 8am             15p
Operator Services                 free                       free
Directory enquiries               n/a                        92p
  per minute

I hope that the above is what you wanted
From: alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,connect.audit
Subject: Re: BT cheap offer (or expensiveness, according to taste)
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:36:21 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.

All BT payphone take the new 10p coin. The change over was done at the
same time as they did the new 5p coin.
But the red payphones that you see in some stores have not been changed.
The main reason for this is the cost of doing it. 80 pounds is the average
price.
From Alon Risdon of the T.U.A.
From: cgd@ecmwf.co.uk (Dick Dixon)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,connect.audit
Subject: Re: Cheap mobile access
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:46:32 GMT
Organization: ECMWF


Aha!  SO far as I can see, these low tariffs are largely smoke and
mirrors.
Since the phones themselves are heavily cross-subsidised against the
service rental, there is about a one-hindred-quid hike in the cost of a
phone (I was looking at Nokia 101) if you want the low-call tariff.  So,
it will take 6 months to break even, even if you make no calls at all. 

The intermediate service level (20 quid a month) looked about optimum,
but it depends on how many calls you make.


			Dick D.
Xref: sparky uk.telecom:15 news.answers:3386
From: potter@movies.enet.dec.com (Alan T Potter)
Subject: Re: nicam in Scotland ?
Organisation: VMS Engineering, DEC, Scotland
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:23:54 GMT


I wrote
>
>Keith says a lot about the Kirk O' Shotts transmitter.  It may be true, for
>anything I know to the contrary.  But It's completely irrelevant.
>

On further investigation it turns out that Keith did not in fact get it wrong
about the Kirk O'Shotts site; somebody else referred to it instead of
Blackhill.  Apologies for mis-attributing the comments.

regards
/Alan 

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Alan.Potter@edo.mts.dec.com   | My opinions are mine, not DEC's 0506 423307 |
| NTS: GM7GLJ@GB7EDN.#77.GBR.EU |  VMS Engineering, Livingston, UK  EH54 6AG  |
+------------- The bridge is crossed, so stand and watch it burn -------------+
Xref: sparky uk.telecom:14 news.answers:3385
From: keith@unipalm.co.uk (Keith Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Cellular modems
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:00:59 GMT

wdrdjh@thor.cf.ac.uk (Dr D J Harvey 92) writes:

>I'm in the initial stages of planning a project that could include sending
>images to portable PCs, and the obvious solution would seem to be:

>PC -> modem -> telephone -> cellular phone -> modem -> PC

>Enquires to local cellular suppliers, however, have produced no siggns either
>of a cellular modem, or even of a cellular phone with standard jack socket to
>which a modem could be connected.  Can anyone, therefore, answer one or more of
>the following questions:

>1)  Do either integrated cellular modems or modem compatible cellular phones
>exist?

Possibly, but I would be very surprised if you can run at greater than 2400bps
over such a connection. This may be as much due to the fact you have to
use an acoustic coupler to connect the modem to the phone as anything
else.

Psion/Dacom are advertising a new range of modems which appear to
claim they'll work V.32bis over cellular, and imply they have some
sort of special adaptor, but this is by no means certain.

>2)  Will the new cellular standard (supposedly 'digital') allow direct digital
>connection (to ISDN standard?)

You presumably mean GSM or PCN here. I believe data transmission is
being looked at, however, I think the speech digitising technology
used is sufficiently high-tech you won't get more than about
8-16kbps out of such a device. Also, most of the licence holders for
digital cellular service provision seem to have got cold feet at
present, so don't hold your breath for such a service.

>3)  What is the effective bandwidth given reasonable reception conditions, and
>what baud rate could be supported?

I think you may be better at looking at mobile services designed specifically
for carrying data. These exploit some benefits of connection-less packet-mode
operation, and the modems ought to be cheaper and work better than the
handset+coupler cellular option. There were 4 providers in the UK:

	RAM Mobile Data
	Mercury PakNet
	Hutchinson Mobile Data
	Dowty Cognito

Of these, Cognito have been shut down in a Dowty re-organisation, and I don't
have a number for PakNet, though you could try Mercury on 0500-424194. I
believe it uses an X.25-like transmission technology, and is mainly used
for credit card verfication. 

RAM use the Mobitex technology, which is the nearest thing to an open
standard in this area, they are on 081-990 9090. I don't know anything about
the Hutchinson (*) service, except a phone number, 0992-502188.

I think PakNet runs at around 9600bps, RAM a bit slower than this.

Keith Mitchell

Public IP Exchange             keith@pipex.net
216 The Science Park           keith@unipalm.co.uk
Cambridge, UK        
Phone: +44 223-424616
Fax:   +44 223-426868

(*) As in "Rabbit Hutch"-inson ? (:-)
From: rharnwel@axion.bt.co.uk (Richard Harwell)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,connect.audit
Subject: Re: Cheap mobile access
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:33:35 GMT
Reply-To: rharnwel@axion.bt.co.uk (Richard Harwell)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <BvrKJ3.oK@ibmpcug.co.uk>, alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon) writes:
|> THE NEW MOBILE TARIFFS
|> ======================
|>                               Cellnet Lifetime        Vodafone Lowcall
|>                                   
|> Connection                        30                         30
|> Line Rental                       15                         15
|>   per month
|> Call charges                      50p  8am - 7pm             46
|>   per minute                      20p  7pm - 8am             15p
|> Operator Services                 free                       free
|> Directory enquiries               n/a                        92p
|>   per minute
|> 
|> I hope that the above is what you wanted

This is all true, some extra points about Cellnet Lifetime:

It is only available (from certain retailers) on particular handsets, and
to use the service on existing handsets they will need to be completely
rechipped. The service does not include some of the more useful facilities
such as Callback & Call Divert.

Also I am advised that the contract should be read very carefuly before 
purchase ! Apparently it makes it ery hard to change services later.

Don't know anything about Vodafone Lowcall !

Hope this is of help

Richard
From: Tilman_Thulesius@f216.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Tilman Thulesius)
Newsgroups: swnet.unix
Subject: COHERENT ON COMPAQ 386/25M+
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:52:48 +0000
Reply-To: Tilman_Thulesius@f216.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Tilman Thulesius)
Distribution: swnet
Organization: NetWare UG, Saltsjo-Boo, SWEDEN 
OD-Comment-To: All

 
Hello i have a COHERENT.licens ver 4.01 and i m trying to install
this onto a COMPAQ ( as abowe ). It seems to go ok to install after
keying in "begin" Puting in some files but after about 20 sec i get
the coursor up on the left and an "I" up on the right. From there
on nothing happens exept for that the floppy-LED is lit.
 
What on earth is this !! ??
 
Can COHERENT not cope with the EISA-bus or the "wonder"-VGA-comtroller ??
 
PLs give me a hint before i bother them people att Mark Williams Co.
 
Tilman
 
---
Newsgroups: swnet.general
From: claes@rigel.efd.lth.se (Claes Engelin, SKF Data, Sweden)
Subject: Re: Solur
Reply-To: claes@rigel.efd.lth.se
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology,Lund, Sweden
Distribution: swnet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.154437.13092@kth.se>, d87-mbo@nada.kth.se (Matthias
Bolliger) writes:
>Hur stller man in ett solur av den traditionella klotformade modellen?
>
>(Om ngon har en beskrivning p tyska - jubel!)
>
>/Matthias Bolliger

Det traditionella sttet r att g en kvll och rikta in pilen mot Polstjrnan.
D visar soluret soltid fr orten, som _inte_ r detsamma som normaltid.

(Det skall vl g att verstta till tyska?)

--
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SKF Dataservice AB  | MEMO:    MEMONET.SM.DSVGOT.G721746 (A Swedish net)
S-415 50 GOTHENBURG | Phone:   +46 31 371943  |
Sweden              | Fax:     +46 31 372505  |
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Newsgroups: swnet.general
From: d87-mbo@nada.kth.se (Matthias Bolliger)
Subject: Solur
Originator: d87-mbo@dront.nada.kth.se
Reply-To: d87-mbo@nada.kth.se (Matthias Bolliger)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: swnet
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:44:37 GMT

Hur stller man in ett solur av den traditionella klotformade modellen?

(Om ngon har en beskrivning p tyska - jubel!)

/Matthias Bolliger
From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: swnet.politik
Subject: Re: R{ttvisa skatter (var Re: Moms (was: Statsfinansierad utbildning
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:48:16 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <yaiksB2w165w@adp.bad.se>, joe@adp.bad.se (Johan Olde) writes:
|> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
|> 
|> > Den som har mycket pengar ska betala mer, b}de
|> > direkt, dvs i kronor, och proptionellt, dvs i procent.
|> 
|> Jag greppar inte det dr... Jag som extrem hginkomsttagare (vilket jag
|> inte r eftersom jag lever p studieln, iofs) 

??

|> skall vl inte behva betala mer i procent fr samma service som alla andra.

Varf|r inte det? Eller r{ttare sagt, varf|r ska du ha mer pengar kvar
{n n}gon annan.


|> Om jag till exempel v{ljer att jobba 16 timmar per dygn
|> ist{llet f|r betydligt f{rre f|r att jag r}kar prioritera s} kallad lyx-
|> konsumtion (vilket i Sverige bland annat {r att anv{nda deodorant och dam-
|> bindor (det senare st|r mig iofs mindre {n det f|rsta)) s} skall jag v{l inte
|> d{rf|r beh|va betala st|rre del av alla andras service.
|>

Nej, men f|r att du har r}d att betala en st|rre del av v}r gemensamma service.
 
|> Du behver inte svara p detta, jag tror inte jag kommer frst nd..
|> 

Hur skulle n}gon kunna hindra mig att ge mig in i en debatt ?   :-)


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Newsgroups: swnet.politik
From: d1dd@dtek.chalmers.se (Daniel Deimert)
Newsgroups: swnet.politik
Subject: Re: R{ttvisa skatter (var Re: Moms (was: Statsfinansierad utbildning))
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:48:15 GMT
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

In <1992Oct10.114643.1644@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
>Men jag har en vision om principerna bakom beskattningen. Den {r i
...
>att jag inte anser skatterna vara n}got gott i sig. Man ska inte beskatta
>f|r beskattandets skull, utan f|r att f} en r{ttvis, l{s solidarisk,
>f|rdelning av resurserna i samh{llet.

Helt fantastiskt. L}t oss ha en starkt progressiv beskattning, s}
progressiv att alla f}r beh}lla lika mycket pengar efter skatt!  N{r
allt kommer omkring, {r inte det r{ttvisast? Jovisst!

P} s} s{tt f}r vi alla f|rdelar av ett system med fri l|nebildning,
dvs statusen med h|g l|n och motivation att skaffa sig utbildning, men
vi har {nd} den verkliga r{ttvisan kvar. Arbetarna kan fortfarande
samlas i fackf|reningar f|r att f} h|gre l|n, och de kan fortfarande
vara avundsjuka p} de h|gavl|nade direkt|rerna som aldrig gjort ett
ordentligt dagsverke.
 (Att dessa inte f}r mer pengar kvar efter skatt {r ju oviktigt, det
viktiga {r ju att de har h|gre m}nadsl|n!)

En {nnu b{ttre variant {r att vi avskaffar allt vad "l|n" heter, och
l}ter alla f} (lika mycket) pengar direkt fr}n staten ist{llet. De som
arbetar bra kan f} en medalj f|r sina insatser, s} motiverar vi folket
att arbeta. Det {r ju n{r allt kommer omkring r{ttvisast att alla f}r
lika betalt, oavsett om de jobbar bra eller inte.

Och s} kan vi garantera alla arbete ocks}. Det {r ju bara att staten
l}ter de annars arbetsl|sa skura storbron med tandborste. Eller
tillverka Lador, eller n}t. Vad folket ska tillverka kan staten
best{mma lite d} och d}, typ vart femte }r. Det {r ju b{st s}, f|r det
garanterar ju att ingen kommer att f} en finare bil {n n}gon annan
(vilket ju vore or{ttvist), eftersom staten just av r{ttvisesk{l bara
tillverkar en bilmodell.  Kanske i flera olika f{rger, det |kar inte
or{ttvisorna.

"Upp till kamp...."








--
Daniel Deimert (d1dd@dtek.chalmers.se | daniel@pkmab.se)
From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: swnet.politik
Subject: Re: Rattvisa skatter
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:19:46 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <175995*Torgny.Tholerus@SKHB.SU-KOM.SU.se>, Torgny.THolerus@SKHB.SU-KOM.SU.SE (Torgny Tholerus SKHB) writes:
|> > utbetalandet av grundbeloppet,
|> > vilket knappast blir en liten apparat. Vilka ska vara ber{ttigade
|> > till det?
|> 
|> Eftersom grundbidraget {r en del av skattesystemet, s} {r
|> det alla som {r skyldiga att betala skatt i Sverige som ska
|> f} grundbidraget.  Dvs i stort sett de som {r permanent
|> boende i Sverige.  Men {ven allts} utlandssvenskar, som
|> betalar skatt till Sverige.  Men inte s}dana som {r
|> permanentboende i Sverige, men som jobbar och betalar skatt
|> i ett annat land.
|>

Om jag jobbahar en firma i, s{g Norge, men g|r ett konsultarbete }t ett
svenskt f|retag, i Sverige ? Ingen svensk skatt p} mitt arvode ?
D} om n}gonsin l{r svenska f|retag fly landet.

Om jag ska betala skatt p} mitt arvode p} 1000 kr, blir jag d} ber{ttigad
till grundbidraget p} 10.000 kr?
Hur mycket m}ste man betala f|r att f} bidraget?

Det kan nog bli en del byr}krati {nd}.

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Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow
Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
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From: ske@pkmab.se (Kristoffer Eriksson)
Newsgroups: swnet.politik
Subject: Re: R{ttvisa skatter (var Re: Moms (was: Statsfinansierad utbildning
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:13:57 GMT
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Peridot Konsult i Mellansverige AB, Oerebro, Sweden

In article <1992Oct14.134816.17159@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:
>In article <yaiksB2w165w@adp.bad.se>, joe@adp.bad.se (Johan Olde) writes:
>|> Jag greppar inte det dr... Jag som extrem hginkomsttagare (...)
>|> skall vl inte behva betala mer i procent fr samma service som alla andra.
>
>Varf|r inte det? Eller r{ttare sagt, varf|r ska du ha mer pengar kvar
>{n n}gon annan.

Ah. Klarare kan det inte s{gas: Alla ska ha exakt samma summa pengar
|ver, oavsett hur mycket de tj{nar. Konfiskera hela l|nen ut|ver en
grundtilldelning till det n|dv{ndigaste. Varf|r ska somliga f} disponera
mer pengar bara f|r att de g|r ett v{rdefullare eller jobbigare arbete
{n normen?

-- 
Kristoffer Eriksson, Peridot Konsult AB, Stallgatan 2, S-702 26 Oerebro, Sweden
Phone: +46 19-33 13 00  !  e-mail: ske@pkmab.se
Fax:   +46 19-33 13 30  !  or ...!{uunet,mcsun}!mail.swip.net!kullmar!pkmab!ske
From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: swnet.politik
Subject: Re: Inkomstskatt utan byrakrati
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:03:46 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <scaHsB6w164w@sfbbs.edvina.se>, ahrvid@sfbbs.edvina.se (A Engholm) writes:
|>   Storebrorssamh{llet skall ist{llet motverkas med andra }tg{rder:
|>   * Vi skall ers{tta dagens totalt f|rbisprungna datalag med n}got b{ttre,
|> effektivare. G{rna grundlagsskydd f|r de viktiga delarna!
|>   * Effektivare granskning av hur ADB-system anv{nds f|r |vervakning. DI
|> skall ers{ttas av n}got b{ttre. H}rdare straffsanktioner mot missbruk. Idag
|> {r det v{l bara dagsb|ter f|r den som g|r olovliga samk|rningar?

Inom EG har man |erhuvudtaget ingen datalag som skyddar mot registrering.

Btw, har ni l{st Jan-J|ran Stenhagens romaner om datas{kerhet och
informationssamh{llet ?


"Dagens samh{lle {r byr}krati, tredimensionell byr}krati, armerad med datorer."
					Ovan n{mnde Stenhagen.
(Om jag nu minns citatet r{tt.   :)

______________________________________________________________________________
Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow
Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
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From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: swnet.politik
Subject: Re: Rattvisa skatter (var Re: Moms (was: Statsfinansierad utb
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:51:57 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

Pga av att Elektro, CTH inte har haft n}gon (dator-) kontakt med
omv{rlden p} ett tag, postar jag om tv} artiklar som jag inte tror
kom ut tidigare. Om de nu skulle ha gjort det, tryck 'n'.   :)

In article <175933*Torgny.Tholerus@SKHB.SU-KOM.SU.se>, Torgny.THolerus@SKHB.SU-KOM.SU.SE (Torgny Tholerus SKHB) writes:
|> > Men jag har en vision om principerna bakom beskattningen. Den {r i
|> > princip samma som har utvevklat de skatter vi har i Sverige, n{mligen
|> > skatt efter b{rkraft. Den som har mycket pengar ska betala mer, b}de
|> > direkt, dvs i kronor, och proptionellt, dvs i procent.
|> 
|> Men om man tittar efter mera noga p} mitt proportionella skattesystem,
|> s} inneb{r det faktiskt att den som har mycket pengar betalar mer, i
|> procent r{knat.

D} {r det ju inte helt propotionellt. Dvs om man vill kan man se ditt som
propotionellt och om man vill kan man se det som progressivt. Och som jag
inledde mitt inhopp i denna debatt, jag har ingen bra l|sning f|r hur
man rent praktiskt ska utforma ett skattesystem efter min principer, men
lite h}rdare tycker jag faktiskt att man kan beskatta den on|diga lyxen.
(OK, sv}rdefinierat)

Dessutom p}minner ditt system ganska mycket om det som vi har idag.  :)

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Newsgroups: swnet.politik
From: ulf@julius.c3consult.comm.se (Ulf Lagerstedt)
Subject: Olika l|ner
Organization: Communicator C3Consult AB
	<1992Oct14.134816.17159@etek.chalmers.se> <7296@pkmab.se>
	<1992Oct15.070145.29043@etek.chalmers.se>
Distribution: swnet
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:30:57 GMT


In article <1992Oct15.070145.29043@etek.chalmers.se> lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist) writes:

>OK, jag anade att jag skulle bli flejmad f|r det d{r.
>Fr}gan var av en filosofiskt retorisk art, egentligen, och jag f|rv{ntar
>mig inget sei|st svar, vaken fr}n n{tet eller fr}n mig sj{lv, men visst
>finns det en intressant filosofisk vinkel i att vissa m{nniskors tid {r
>mer v{rt {n andras?

Det skulle det kanske ha kunnat vara, men nu {r det inte tiden som 
v{rderas utan den nytta man har av arbetet.

[r det inte ganska sj{lvklart? 

--
Ulf Lagerstedt, Communicator C3Consult, Sweden  /  ulf@c3consult.comm.se
From: mhelander@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: swnet.politik
Subject: Re: Upprop fr}n Kvinnopartiet
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:47:27 GMT
Distribution: swnet
Organization: University of Helsinki


>>- en fullt utbyggd barnomsorg
>Det h{r kan betyda ganska mycket olika saker, s} det {r sv}rt att
>tycka n}got om det.
>
>>- en m{nniskov{rdig handikapp- och {ldreomsorg
>Givetvis bra.
>
>>- motverka nedsk{rningar inom den offentliga sektorn
>Detta d{remot {r helt fel. Sverige beh|ver minska den offentliga
>sektorn ordentligt.

Dessa tre saker h|r enligt min mening ihop. Om man b|rjar med nedsk{rningar
inom den offentliga sektorn, m}ste man minska p} personalen. De sektorer -
}tminstone h{r i Finland - som har mest personal {r social- och h{lsov}rd, samt
utbildning. Dessa sektorer {r kvinnodominerade.

Kvinnorna {r r{dda f|r att nedsk{rningarna i sj{lva verket kommer att drabba
dem, s} att de g|r samma jobb (dvs. sk|ter barn och tar hand om }ldringar) utan
att f} n}gon l|n f|r det. Kvinnorna {r r{dda f|r att deras framtida
yrkeskarri{r kommer att utspela sig mellan knytn{ven och spisen, som i det
f|rflutna.
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> Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
> Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN

- Mika Helander
  Svenska social- och kommunalh|gskolan vid Helsingfors universitet