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From: atoenne@mpii02000.cs.uni-sb.de (Andreas Toenne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Why do I get less hd space under HPFS than FAT??!?!
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:27:29 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Informatik

In article <1992Jul22.012601.18150@sdf.lonestar.org>, mo@sdf.lonestar.org (Mohit Goyal) writes:
|> Hello.  I have a question I hope someone can answer.
|> 
|> I have a 130meg Maxtor 7120A IDE hd.
|> 
|> It formats out to 129.9 megs under DOS 5 & FAT.
|> It formats out to 127.1 megs under OS/2 & HPFS.
|> 
|> Does anyone know why I lose 3 megs if I use HPFS?  I thought that
|> HPFS would give me more space than FAT because it uses smaller
|> sector sizes than FAT, or something like that. 

Do not confuse the initial filesystem setup with gains from fewer fragmentation
and partially unused sectors.

Every filesystem needs some administration information to store allocation
maps and root dirctory entries. Under the FAT-filesystem this was called the
FAT :-) plus some sectors for the root directory.
HPFS just preallocates some bigger space for its administration. If I am right
it allocates a whole track in the middle of your partition. In the long run
this gives you some benefits.

Have you ever installed a filesystem on a Unix machine? Fast filesystem from
Berkeley? The inodes there consume a considerable space.

	Andreas
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng)
Subject: Desktop goes DEMENTED
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:24:37 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-30-92 17:49
Just like the title says.  I'm using the Trident SVGA drivers at
800x600x16 and when I return from a full screen DOS session the desktop
sometimes has verticle lines all over it.  If memory serves me right,
this happened under the vanilla VGA driver IBM shipped.

Help!
Vic
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From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: 32 bit fractint for WPS?
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Organization: SataLink Info Systems - Huntingdon Valley, PA - 215-364-3324

DP>I've noticed some rumors about a 32 bit version of fractint for
DP>OS/2 2.0.  That would be great!  Can anyone point me in the right
DP>direction?

Don Egan has shipped his 32-bit version of PMFRACT (labelled version
17.2 - like Winfract, he's now basing his version numbers on which
version of Fractint's fractal engine he is using). He uploaded it
to Compuserve's COMART forum on July 6th.  Look in COMART in
Library 2 ("New Uploads") for PMFRA2.ZIP (the EXEcutable) and
PMFRS2.ZIP (the source).

I do not have access to the FTP network from this BBS.  If one of
the rest of you has access both to Compuserve and the FTP network,
I'm sure that Don would appreciate your spreading this fine freeware
program around.

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
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From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: [Shredder VANISHED?!?!]
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:58:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Like my title says, my Shredder Icon has vanished from the Desktop (and pos-
sibly my hard-drive, I haven't gone to go check yet).  I was cleaning up
a directory dragging things to it when all of a sudden, it totally vanished.
I tried arranging the desktop thinking that perhaps I had hidden it under
something or moved it off the screen, but it did not reappear.  Shortly
thereafter, I was informed that I had run out of memory and could not do
ANYTHING except close windows.  The system would not even shut down and I
had to come back with a Ctrl+Alt+delete.  Everything seems intact now
(except for no shredder).
 
Any ideas?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kskapin@csws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Keith T Skapinski)
Subject: QDOS 3
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:19:18 GMT


I can't get QDOS 3 to work under OS/2 in a DOS box or in a virtual DOS image.
Instead of displaying a list of files in my directory, it displays a line
of garbage. I'm trying to use it on a FAT partition so the problem is not
HPFS related. Any ideas?

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From: breiner@zardoz.chem.appstate.edu (Steven Jay Breiner)
Subject: Re: What happened to 'robust protected sessions'?
Organization: Appalachian State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.185016.13486@ee.ubc.ca> tedc@ee.ubc.ca (ted chen) writes:
>
>I was recently using TE/2 to download a batch of files.  It had finished
>all but one, so I thought, "hey, I'll unzip the ones that are finished and
>take a look-see".  I open up a OS/2 windowed session, cd to the download   
>directory and do a dir.  As soon as I do this, the download aborts.  
>Hey!  I thought that each session was protected from each other.  I try it 
>again, just to make sure.  Yep, it aborts again.  
>
>What happened to 'robust protected sessions'?
>
>Ted
>

I have exactly the same problem with TE/2 and even, occasionally, with
PMTerm. From postings I've read in this group, I suspect my poor old UART (a
16450) of being the culprit. By the way, this even happens to me at 2400
baud over telly lines.

					SJB

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: devetzis@dexter.bellcore.com (Taso N. Devetzis)
Subject: OS/2 and Hardcard Question
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: OS/2 hardcard FAT configuration
Reply-To: devetzis@bellcore.com
Organization: Broadband Network Management Research Group (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:19:29 GMT

A friend of mine has a 386 box (Samsung) with a 40MB hard drive
and a 105MB hardcard.  He's installed OS/2 on the 40MB drive
(HPFS, drive C:) and wants to access the hardcard (FAT. drive D:).
The hardcard requires drivers under OS/2 and DOS -- but I couldn't
get the driver to work under OS/2.  Has anyone had any experince
in this area?  I've never used a hardcard before.

Please reply by e-mail and I'll summarize if interest warrants.

Thanks,
--taso

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From: mhuth@byron.u.washington.edu (Mark Huth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: TIGA and me
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:08:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul21.060835.13792
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: Re: Moving files to floppy
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:29:54 GMT

I found the files were there but a "refresh" of the icon window was
neccessary(sp?) to get an accurate report.  Only files not copied seem to be
those being copied when a "disk full" occurred!

jc
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Subject: Re: Question: Using bitmaps for Background/Lockup
Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:28:31 GMT


In a previous article, edg@Ingres.COM (Ed Goldman) says:

>Hi all,
>
>I got some gif files and converted them to os/2 bitmaps using a conversion
>utility, gif2bmp which I got from GEnie.  When I try to use the converted
>bitmaps as a background for the desktop or lockup, the image is not displayed
>correctly -- it is scewed and wrapped across a diagonal.
>
>I thought that the gif2bmp utility was probably messing them up in the con-
>version, but when I use vpic ( a dos-based image viewer ) it correctly 
>displays the image and identifies it as an OS/2 PM bitmap.
>
>Does anyone know what the problem might be and if it can be fixed?

From what I understand, not all bmp's are created equal.
There are windows bmp's and OS/2 bmp's.  Some windows bmp's
will work under os/2 & vice versa.  But not all
From: jmp1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEFFREY MICHAEL PARSONS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Fastback and OS/2
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:32:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <h!W-G!A@engin.umich.edu>, jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) writes:
>I'm trying to use Fastback 2.01 with OS/2 and I can't get it install.
>It consistently fails the low speed DMA test.  I have a DOS machine
>which I want to run OS/2 on and I wanted to be able to back everything
>up using Fastback, install OS/2 and HPFS and then restore using
>Fastback.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to accomplish
>this?  Any ideas on other ways to migrate from a FAT based DOS system
>to an HPFS based OS/2 system in a relatively disk/time efficient
>manner?

Sorry, I should have mentioned this before:
The DMA test is really not necessary.  That fact that it fails does not change
the way FB runs.  Just close the DOS window upon test failure and then re-open
a DOS window and run FB (it is already installed by that point.  It should
work fine.  Actually, it probably leaves the DMA speed set to low and you
might as well set it to high.  Its on one of the menus.  Other than that, it
works fine. :-)  Please e-mail me if you have more problems.

Jeff Parsons
Lehigh University
Physics Undergrad
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From: smithr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Rick Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: PowerPoint 3.0 for Windows
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:36:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Has anyone got PowerPoint 3.0 for Windows running under Win-OS/2?
If you do, please send an email message of problems you might have
encountered and exactly how you got it to work.

Thanks,
  Rick Smith

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From: RHS@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: How to get rid of hung DOS windows that WON'T go away?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:07:19 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: connor.berkeley.edu

I just tried running PCTools backup in a DOS window that has hung 
completely. Even worse, I can't close the window. I've tried double clicking 
and agreeing to close without saving data. I've tried selecting from the 
task list window. I've tried the KILLEM program. I've tried a shutdown. None
of these works.

Is there any way of closing this window without a Ctrl-Alt-Del? This happens 
to me fairly often when crashes occur in a DOS window, but I don't think 
I've seen anyone else mention the problem. Am I all alone here?

Richard Stanton
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rfs0838@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAFFTER, RODNEY FRANK, JR)
Subject: Re: Minimized Window Viewer problems
Summary: Icons never show up in it
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.150317.21120@csc.ti.com>, fritz@ra.csc.ti.com (Fritz Whittington) writes...
+>I have been using OS/2 for a few weeks now with no severe problems,
+>but have run onto a minor irritation that I can't seem to find the
+>answer for.  No matter how much I change the settings, I can't seem to
+>get a minimized Icon to show up in the Minimized Window Viewer.  I can
+>change the settings to make them be hidden when minimized, but if not
+>hidden, then they always show up at the bottom of my desktop when
+>minimized, with seemingly complete disregard for the setting that
+>clearly says that they should be put in the Minimized Window Viewer.


	I have the opposite problem-I cannot minimize applications to the
desktop-they all go to the viewer! I thought this was a known bug, and didn't
worry about it.

	Perhaps I misunderstood the old posts about this. Should I be worrying?

Rod Schaffter                                 	
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Texas A&M University Dept. of Chemistry		|isn't an opperating system-
Bitnet:   SCHAFFTER@TAMLMSB			|it barely operates at all!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ednstras@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Michael Strasser)
Subject: Very s l o w floppy format
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:39:48 GMT

When I tried to format a floppy in my A: drive the other day everything was
very, very slow!. I am running GA (revision 6.311) on an ISA bus machine.
Drive A: has a 3.5" floppy and has never shown any problems with reading or
writing them.  I've never tried to format before (having had pre-formatted
disks).

Does anybody know what might be wrong?  I thought floppy problems were only
with beta versions of OS/2 2.0.

I will notify IBM here in Australia.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Getting Trident SVGA to work?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.192416.1445@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cdonnell@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chris E Donnell) writes:
>I am trying to get Tridents SVGA driver to work with OS/2.  I install 
>everything according to Trident's directions and when I shutdown and reboot it 
>comes up to a black screen with a cursor in the top left corner.  I then have 
>to reload all of OS/2 so it is usable.  Can anyone help me with this problem.  
>The computer came with a 512Kb Trident SVGA card that can handle 1024x768 in 16
>colors and 800x600 in 256 colors, the same for 640x480.

This problem crops up in two situations.  One is that you do not have
IOPL=YES in your CONFIG.SYS.  The other is that you have not applied
the tridfix.zoo patch, available via anonymous ftp from
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, which fixes several problems with 512K adapters.
Assuming you have a Trident 8900 or 9000 series adapter, you should
then be all set.

I am also assuming you have run SVGA ON from a full screen DOS session
prior to installing these drivers.

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From: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: more about video cards
Reply-To: pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 07:44:52 GMT

Okay, I still do not know which video card to get with my new computer to
run OS2.  Above all, I would like an ATI Ultra, but cannot afford one.
I guess I will look into the Vantage or even the Wonder.
My other options are the SpeedStar or a local bus adapter based on the ET4000
chip.  How do the Tseng cards work with OS2 ?  A techie from IBM said that
a special patch is required for OS2 to work with the ET4000, and it is 
available through IBM.  Does anyone have experience with this?

And what about local bus video?  Does OS2's 32 bit interface take full
advantage of the local bus video?  And are there drivers out there for 
local bus ET4000 for OS2 ? 

More importantly, what do people think is a good video adapter to work with
OS2 ?  Please reply via EMail.

Thanx,
P. Volpe
From: vela.acs.oakland.ed!dkrastes@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Stubborn "double" Desktop problem
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:36:00 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>but what could be causing my system to boot up with a blank screen,
>inform me that the "DESKTOP IS NOT RESPONDING," allow me to close it,
>and then give me the real thing, which works perfectly?  This only began
>a few days ago, and for no apparant reason I can think of... ?
>-- 
I have been having the same problem and spoke to a IBM person at a OS2
symposoum that they had reciently and he told me that it might be a corrupted
ini file and told to how to rebuild it and it tried that. It seemed to be 
fixed
at first but then it came back.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer
From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh)
Subject: Re: IBM Multimedia for PM Announcement 
Keywords: MIDI MMPM/2  
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:14:47 GMT

Below is Scott Swix's response to my post.  He asked me to post as he does not have Usenet post capability for this group.

From swix@prism.gatech.edu Thu Jul 30 22:49:58 1992
To: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov
Subject: Re: IBM Multimedia for PM Announcement
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Cc: 

Ref : MMPM/2

   No, you don't have to have a CD-ROM drive.  The announcement only
   states (or actually means) that a CD-ROM is supported, including
   a driver for regular CD audio.

   And have no fear, IBM is well aware of the various existing MIDI
   and audio boards and devices.  Many of these have driver development
   underway, though just not available at the initial release date
   of MMPM/2.

   This version of MMPM/2 is primarily kernal (task mgt, device 
   sharing, sync, I/O subsystems, etc) and audio.  IBM has announced
   that both digital and analog video will be available shortly.

   Please append this response to the newsgroup, since I cannot do
   so from this account.



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From: sangjoon@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sangjoon Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: DOS Sessions and REXX
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:48:22 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

I followed the example file STARTDOS.CMD in the REXX patch I got from
ftp-os2, and was able to bring up a DOS session.  My problem is that
the "settings" parameter which holds all the DOS settings refuses to
retain any more than about two and a half lines' worth of text.  This
limits me to changing only a small subset of DOS settings for a given
DOS session.  Is there a way around this problem?  (Or am I doing
something wrong?)

Alternatively, is there a way to bring up an existing program object
(with all the correct settings) through a REXX script?

Thank you for your help.
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From: joshi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi)
Subject: CKermit PM problems
Summary: Cannot send or receive files
Keywords: kermit, unix, file transfer
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:27:28 GMT

I am trying to use PM Term CKermit to get files from unix on sparc2.

a couple of moons back, I did this. Now I can't. I don't know what I messed up
but here is what I am doing.

What is wrong?

My setup:

486/33 from Zeos with OS/2 HPFS, no dual-boot
com2 hardwired to Sun Sparc 2 running Sun OS 4.0 (Unix)

Baud rate set to 9600, port com2, protocol Kermit, parity none(is this right)

Procedure:

1. I log into the other machine.
2.a Start kermit 
   Here I get a message which says that "ld.so: warning: /usr/lib/libc.so.1.6 has older revision than expected 7
C-Kermit 5A(175) ALPHA, 22 Nov, 91, Sun OS 4.1 (BSD)"
2.b server (to make it server)
    "C-Kermit server starting. return to your local machine by typing its
     escape character etc."

Question: What is the escape character? I tried both ctl-] and ctl-\. They do
not work.
   
Now I thought may be I will use the menu option file to receive the files.
3. Go to the file menu / receive option.

I get the receive screen but on this screen I am prevented from entering
anything in the host file name area. How am I going to specify the file I want
to receive from the host machine?

Thanks for any help

Anil Joshi
joshi@cs.uiuc.edu



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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Does 800x600x256 on the VGA part of a Graphics Ultra work under OS/2?
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:37:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul21.150920.1103@mustang.uucp> mike@mustang.uucp (Mike Hoffos) writes:

>Yep, I did do svga on; it did nothing.  And my config.sys does have
>the vsvga.sys there.  My question still stands; does anyone with an
>Ultra get 800x600x256 in a DOS full-screen session if a program tries to
>fiddle the VGA portion into the mode?

Well, I don't have an Ultra, but I have a VGA Wonder. So...

If you're using an sVGA program, make sure it's configured as an ATI
VGA Wonder-compatible program.

If you use the Ultra's accelerated graphics mode, be sure you
installed the HDILOAD.COM program which came with the Ultra.  The
accelerator isn't accessible to most DOS programs without it.

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