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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Styling, profiling and pretending
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:44:55 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov13.223406.23966@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>,
krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>
>The problem here is that all my-man had to go on was the word of his SO.
>Tell me, how should he know which words of hers to believe, and which
>words not to believe..... I mean, she said that she loved him...
>was that a lie too?  Should he just assume that if she's moving her lips,
>that she is lying?  I think that all too often, women expect that men
>should have crystal balls, or somesuch other means of reading their minds.
>Of course, if you can't read her mind, and know her innermost feelings
>better than she will let on, or hell, better than _she_ knows them
>(and I have yet to meet a brother who was clairvoyant) then you must
>not really care/know-her-well-enough, or so the story goes....
.
.
Brother, I am not attempting to create a flame war here.  I am not
saying that males should have have crystal balls at the ready to try
to figure out what women are up to. I simply said that women have
different ways of talking and relating. I also told you how a woman
would interpret what a man would think of their relationship.  I
thought I made it pretty clear.  WHY SHOULD YOU CONTINUE TO BE WITH
A WOMAN WHO LOVES YOU BUT YOU DO NOT RECIPROCATE HER FEELINGS?  Why
is it a problem for you cats to let go of a relationship that has
the makings for some real abuse on the part of both?  I discussed
this recently with a black woman who is over 50 years old, and she
says essentially the same thing:  A young brother wants something
for nothing. He is dogging the sister.  Period.
.
I also insisted in previous posts that women should cut clean any
kind of relationship like this and stop thinking the brother is
going to change his mind because she's hanging onto him.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Subject: Re: Styling, profiling and pretending
Reply-To: david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:19:56 GMT

In article <1ebcseINN24c@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>you guys is mostly a black (male) thing and while it may keep you
>together, why is it I still I hear about sisters shooting brothers
>or brothers shooting sisters over love or relationship issues?  Can
>I get a witness?

I dunno... I suppose love is even more important than survival... Now
that I think about it, I hear more about people killing over love than
over food.  Hmmmm.... just something that I noticed.

>For the record, it takes TWO to cause:
>a) Miscommunication
>b) Love
>c) All of the above

Hmmm... While your statement above is true with regards to the number
(minmum number) of persons required to have "Miscommunication" or
"Love" it is not true with regards to culpability in all cases.

For instance, in the case where you have with a relationship persons A
and B:

	B always tells the truth.
	A always lies.
	Each expects the other is telling the truth and makes
	decisions based on this expectation.

In this case we have number agreement, but the fault for a poor
decisions made by B would rest on A because A is lying while the
former is expecting the truth.

In another case with our friends  A and B:

	B always lies.
	A always lies.
	Each expects the other is telling the truth and makes
	decisions based on this expectation.

In this case we have number agreement, but the fault for a poor
decisions made by one would rest on the other because the other is
lying while the former is expecting the truth.

These are only a couple of possible combinations.

What does this say about relationships?  
What does this say about men and women?  
Here is my $0.187 (damned economy!): flim-flam is immoral.

Everbody knows what flim-flam is? Everybody knows what a flim-flam
artist is?  You know, a con-artist... a confidence artist.  These
people make their profit by making someone develop confidence in them
(by playing on the fears and expectations of their target(s)), taking
what they want, and then moving on when they've got what they want or
have found more fertile fields.

I believe that the same skills used for the financial con-game are
being used in the con-game of love and relationships.  Basically, it
is get what you can and go.  And it appears that it is the case that
there are more people willing to use their skills to con people out of
love than money.

-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   Grumman Data Systems
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:32:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.141632.11832@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:

>
>In Bauer vs. Hardwick (about 1982 or '83) the Supreme Court upheld Georgia's
>anti-sodomy law.  Mr. Hardwick was arrested in his bedroom (by a policeman who
>had no warrant to enter) and charged with violating Georgia's sodomy law (along
>with his partner).  The case was taken to the U.S. Supreme Court by the State
>of Georgia and the supreme court ruled that even though the policeman had
>invaded Mr. Hardwick's privacy, there were certain things that were so vile
>and therefore prohibited by law (and the church) that privacy was not an
>issue.
>
>Although Sodomy laws are rarely enforced, they make sodomy (and therefore
>homosexual activity) a felony.  Thus "alleged" homosexual individuals are
>precluded (legally) from being licensed as teachers, lawyers, accountants,
>real estate agents, hair dressers (or whatever else the State determines
>are licensed occupations) since they are felons (in fact if not in law) and
>thus should not be permitted to enter these "hallowed" occupations.
>

	Actually, the GA sodomy law does not single out same sex
couples in the letter of the law. It simply outlaws sodomy (defined as
anal or oral sex, basically). It is usually applied only in the cases
of same sex couples (straights who get caught making out in the back
seat of the car just get a tap on the window and told to "go home").
	The letter of the law makes it just as applicable to straight
couples, and even straight married couples, as it allows the state
access to the bedrooms of every citizen regardless of sexual
orientation. In that sense, the law itself does not discriminate.

	Oh, yeah. Right.  >:-(


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11264 alt.folklore.college:3063
From: spam+@CMU.EDU (Stephen P. Marting)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.folklore.college
Subject: Re: Omar: a recap of events
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:51:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Uf2STSO00iV10_aLZH
Organization: Junior, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from alt.folklore.college: 17-Nov-92 Re: Omar: a recap of
events by "Branimir Dokic"@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
>      Oh yeah, the discalimer.  Don't know if it'll make my post
> sound more sincere, but I chose not to pledge a fraternity because
> of their attitude towards blacks in general.  Even my close friends
> said things that surprised me and caused me to back off during rush.

Gee, thanks.  Just when we thought Ted Fr*nk might be leaving soon.

I'd just like you (and the readers here) to keep in mind that what one
fraternity does does not represent the entire Greek system, not even at
that college.  Of course, people like Ted Fr*nk can, and will, turn
"there is a fraternity at [wherever] that has a few racist brothers"
into "the Greek system over the whole world is racist (especially the
African-American fraternitites, I guess)" - I've seen him do it before,
just like he turned "there are three people at Rose-Hulman who fit my
very odd definitions of racism" into "Rose-Hulman is a racist school."

So try and keep a sense of proportion...

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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Who's Malcolm X ?
Date: 22 Nov 92 11:00:07
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu's message of Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:54:41 GMT

bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
|Gov. Douglas can't understand the hoopla about him.

So?

|Ex-Supreme Court
|Justice Thurgood Marshall said that he never accomplished anything, so why
|refer to him as famous.

This man is measuring accomplishments by a lawyer's standard.  By this
standard, however, one is forced to decide on two other things:

1)  MLK accomplished nothing more than Malcolm X
2)  Marshall is a much bigger hero than either

|Think for a minute...What exactly did Malcolm X
|accomplish?  Does anybody out there now? If so, please tell me.

He articulated a set of problems and proposed a set of solutions.  He
inspired and led.  At a time when one could not look a White man in
the eye in many parts of this fair land, he did.  He set himself as an
example and a role model.  Thru the NOI, he helped to rehabilitate
many a drugged out theives.  He represented and connected with the
urban North far better than his southern, middle class minister
counterparts.

And he offered choices.

Unfortunately, he died as he was moving to become the effective leader
in the North that MLK was in the South.

A more pointed question would be:  what did MLK as a person really
accomplish?  Was he just a figurehead who gave nice speeches?  Were
the real accomplishments made by those who wrote the legislation and
fought the cases before the Supreme Court?  Or the footsoldiers who
died? 

What is our standard for "accomplishment"?  What does it mean?

My feeling is that Rowan, et al are pissed because 1) Malcolm told
them they were accomodating slow-moving Negroes and 2) he got more
press than they did and they think *they* deserved it.

In the end, as far as I'm concerned, Malcolm X has served as an
inspiration to *me* and changed my life.  And I consider that an
accomplishment for which I am most grateful.


--
Peace.
                             "You get your freedom by letting your enemy know
                              that you'll do anything to get your freedom; then
                              you'll get it. It's the only way you'll get it."
                                                  -- Malcolm X
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:58:41 GMT

In article <Bxx4KM.HC5@access.digex.com> wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.192210.26130@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>>
>>I don't know about anyone else, but I've decided to stop responding to
>>Mr. Stromer...

I would like to know how to add to my kill file something that would kill
postings from Stromer, responses to Stromer and articles with the
string "Stromer" anywhere in the body of the article.

Barbara Vaughan
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Dennis Brutus to go on tour (DC first)
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:28:23 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

SCIENCE@mitvma.BITNET wrote:
:
:Deported from South Africa, Brutus was nearly deported from the
:United States in the 1980s. MIM's predecessors took up work at this
:time to stop the deportation. Since that time Brutus has been
:a professor at various institutions in the United States.

Hm?  Thought he was at Northwestern from the late 1970s onward.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown)
Subject: Re: Stromer=Stupidity
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:30:32 GMT

RJ, I stopped reading stromer a while ago.  Hell, the KKK can post here if
they want.  I wouldn't them, either.


Peace,

Bill
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: Malcolm X and the NOI
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:38:18 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <gf3zp9G00YUoECeOlU@andrew.cmu.edu> st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) writes:
>Are there any NOI members out there who have seen the movie?  Do you 
>guys think it gave the NOI a fair shake?  Certainly there seemed to be
>plenty of advertisement for Islam in general, both the standard variety
>and that espoused by Elijah Muhammad.  Why doesn't Louis Farrakhan appear
>anywhere in the movie, or was he just not active then?

>Steve Timm

Not only was Farrakhan active then, he succeeded Malcolm as Elijah
Muhammad's second in command after Malcolm was expeled.

Here's was Farrakhan had to say about Malcolm a few weeks before he
was shot:

"Only those who wish to be led to hell, or to their doom, will follow
Malcolm.  The die is set and Malcolm shall not escape, especially
after such foolish talk about his benefactor [Elijah Muhammad] in
trying to rob him of the divine glory which Allah has bestowed upon
him.  SUch a man as Malcolm is worthy of death - and would ahve met
with death if it had not been for [Elijah] Muhammad's confidence in
Allah for victory over the enemies."


-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Malcolm X discussion at UC Berkeley
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:52:30
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu

Graduate Students of African Descent
and The Black Environmental Design Students Association present:

A showing of the documentary: The Autobiography of Malcolm X

Please join us and members of the African American faculty in a critical
discussion of this documentary and Spike Lee's new film

Thursday, Nov 19. 5:00-8:00 pm
112 Wurster Hall (auditorium)

For more info call 642-2175 ask for Jocelyn

(or you can e-mail me)

Consider it preparation or debriefing for Spike's film. 
Bring your kids. Tell your friend. And all that jazz.
See you at the movies.
--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11245 misc.legal:20108
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:25:15 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Nov17.182550.22662@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>upstairs and found Hardwick and another man engaging in oral sex. Now,

Suspicious name, Hardwick.  8^)

	 George Tucker        tucker@shiva.hac.com
	Signature line awaiting FDA approval.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:27:40 GMT


It so funny watching how certain people on this list accuse celebrities of be-
gay or bi when they know *nothing* about their lives!! First the retard who 
declared (he just *knew* that he was right! ) that Magic Johnson was a bisexual
and now, this person saying Pee Wee Herman is homosexual...Where are you people
getting this *carved in stone* info??? Are you basing this solely on the way he
used to act and the makeup he wore?? Have you ever seen him in a passionate em-
brace with another guy?? You people need to separate fantasy from reality..Pee
Wee Herman is a role, Paul Rubens(although I dont know his sexuality, so I wont
speculate ignorantly) the real person (see where I draw the line between real-
ity and fantasy) I have seen out *several* times with women on his arm..I just
cant believe how some people can sit here and pass judgement on a person's sex-
uality when you dont know the first thing about them...also I realize that this
all stems from a confrontation against that Stromer person, I am not against
your confronting him, but the way you chose to declare someone else's orien-
tation is just so ignorant....

                                                                RJ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Styling, profiling and pretending
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:26:00 GMT

In article <1e8mmnINN38v@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>Brother, I am not attempting to create a flame war here.  I am not
>saying that males should have have crystal balls at the ready to try
>to figure out what women are up to. I simply said that women have
>different ways of talking and relating [than men].  I also told you
>how a woman would interpret what a man would think of their
>relationship.

A woman friend of mine just recently fell in love with a guy who's
feelings were stronger for her than hers for him, initially.  I also
saw another woman post on soc.singles that she fell in love after guys
she was involved with fell in love with her.  So, not every woman
agrees with your philosophy.

>I thought I made it pretty clear.  WHY SHOULD YOU CONTINUE TO BE WITH
>A WOMAN WHO LOVES YOU BUT YOU DO NOT RECIPROCATE HER FEELINGS?

You enjoy the pleasure of her company, perhaps?

Also, seeing as she is staying in the relationship (since she can get
out if she wants), she is deriving some benefit and satisfaction from
it.

>I discussed
>this recently with a black woman who is over 50 years old, and she
>says essentially the same thing:  A young brother wants something
>for nothing. He is dogging the sister.  Period.

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I prefer to let
individuals make up their minds.

>I also insisted in previous posts that women should cut clean any
>kind of relationship like this and stop thinking the brother is
>going to change his mind because she's hanging onto him.

Sometimes people change their minds [see above].
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:05:43 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:

It's too bad Hitler hadn't killed your parents...the world would be 
better off without you here thats for sure..


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: buckmr@vccsouth14.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:36:52 GMT

srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:


>Indeed, here in New York PL 130.38 does make sodomy a crime, but that
>has not stopped New York courts from finding anti-homosexual discrimination
>to be actionable.

Huh?? Sorry, honey, but here in NEW YORK STATE for all intents and purposes
there is NOT any actionable sodomy law.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"No question in my mind, we've got a large number of gays in military service."
   --Dick Cheney, U.S. Secretary of Defense, in USA TODAY, June 27 1991.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11240 soc.history:9504
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.history
Subject: Re: Founding Fathers
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:29:19 GMT
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1992Nov16.203743.16005@acuson.com>, miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Nov14.230025.7498@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Seventh Circuit Bound) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> Yes, it's disgusting beyond belief that Africans, Arabs, and Europeans sold
|> >|> Africans into slavery.  But given that there were Southern states in 1787
|> >|> that would not have abolished slavery under any circumstances, I'm curious
|> >|> what it is the Northerners should have done.
|> 
|> >Well, one recent example springs to mind.   When Spain, Portugal
|> >and Greece applied for membership of the EC, they were told to clean
|> >up their acts and re-establish democracy first.   
|> 
|> 	This wasn't a pre-existing federation accepting members.  If
|> 	Virginia (the most populous state at the time) hadn't joined,
|> 	it might have been the US of New England, and Great Britain
|> 	might have regained some errant children.

That strikes me as a distinction without a difference.   What's so
different between A, B and C deciding to welcome D into their fold,
and A, B, C and D deciding to unite?

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: kill files in nn and rn on Dec Ultrix 4.3
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:29:36 GMT

We use nn and rn here at this site.  To kill a subject you type the letter   k
while having that article on screen.  The reader then asks whether to kill for
x days or permanently.  To add people to kill files, use  K.  The reader then
asks subject or person, temporary or permanent.  It will then scan the posts
before you do and mask off those you have "killed".


He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: NBC Today Show.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.023357.12622@cs.wm.edu> sunny@al.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo) writes:
>How African is this newsgroup?  Did I miss something?  I don't
>remember any discussions about the impact of a one week and one
>day of Today Show focused on Africa and its peoples.
>
since the series is being telecast this week the present tense is more
appropriate here...i was going to post notice of this but you beat me
to it.  not much to say yet until we get a chance to check out the goods
but i'll have my vcr going this week.  one thing that i must give credit to
cnn for is that they have given much better coverage [including live series
of broadcasts] of news from africa than have the networks up to now.  from
the little bit that i heard on today this morning prior to leaving for work,
it was clear to me that bryant gumbal was behind this;  katie couric sure
didn't seem to know what was going on...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american