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From: gr2a@quads.uchicago.edu (david rolfe graeber)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Reply-To: gr2a@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:43:08 GMT

In article <rdippold.724729529@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>>In article <rdippold.724640745@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>>You bet.  I'm gonna go rape somebody.
	
	(you know the rest...)

>>Always remember to log out of your account when leaving your pc or you are
>>going to get angry people responding to posts like this thinking you wrote
>>them:)
>
>Nah, I actually wrote that.  It was like a nice, slow, softball pitch
>right in the zone, and you've just noticed that the center fielder is
>daydreaming...  They've got to expect it when they post stuff like that
>to alt.society.anarchy.

	I used to wonder why there are so few women who participate in this
newsgroup - now I guess I know.
	So posting an article about the activities of fascists in Europe
who commit atrocities against women to alt.society.anarchy is so obviously
inappropriate, you say, that it demands a hostile response? I don't know if
this Dippold guy thinks of himself as an anarchist or what; but I think 
it's pretty sad that _anyone_ could get to the point of thinking this.

	Maybe I should remind whoever's reading this (not Ron Dippold - as
for him I agree with the guy who says I hope his dick falls off, or
maybe that he throws himself under a bus, thus making the world a better place
for everyone else) that the big issue for Anarchist groups all over Europe
right now is anti-fascism; that in Germany, Eastern Europe and other places
lots of young people are embracing Anarchy and joining Anarchist groups
mainly because Anarchists are the only people who'll really make
a stand against fascism; that fascists (crypto and not-so-crypto) have
been taking over a lot of European governments, recently; and that the
ones currently waging a campaign of genocide in Bosnia are giving us a
chance to see just what sort of thing fascists tend do when nobody
stops them.
	
	(I won't even go into the added fact that historically, Anarchists
were the first on the left to take women's issues seriously - remember
Emma Goldman? - and to notice that things like sexual violence were just
as political as any other kind - which the Bosnia essay made about as
clear as anything. Maybe just maybe this is one of the reasons
whatsisname decided to post the thing to a.s.a in the first place.)

	I wasn't expecting anyone to respond to the original essay with
any comments like "oh yes, we sure do hate those nazis" since I like to
assume one can take that much for granted, but once this Dippold guy
started shooting his mouth off I figured someone should point this out;
so, even if I am a newcomer to the newsgroup, I did.

	David Graeber


Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: What to do about bigots?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:52:03 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
| [ dealing with persistent aggressors ]
| 3) If they continue to aggress against you, defend yourself with force.  If
| they don't get the message, they are both stupid and irremediably violent,
| in which case the proper thing to do is kill them.

But if you have a set of rules stating when you can
commit acts of compulsive violence, doesn't this constitute
a state?
-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: danny@athena.mit.edu (Daniel A Lagattuta)
Subject: Re: Looking for Anarchism refs to read
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:39:08 GMT

In article <FAB9452.92Dec15164840@nigel.tamu.edu>, fab9452@nigel.tamu.edu (Allan Bailey) writes:
|> 
|>   could some post/email a "suggested reading list" about anarchism?
|> 


	How about Robert A. Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress," about a
fictional anarchical society, Bruce Benson's "Enterprise of the Law" about
non-governmental law and order, George Selgin's "Theory of Free Banking" about
privatelt issued currency for starters. 


					Daniel A. LaGattuta
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,talk.bizarre
From: caz@owlnet.rice.edu (HWRNMNBSOL)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:29:38 GMT

In article <rdippold.724735347@qualcom>, rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
|> wc8754@writer.yorku.ca (John Slonimsky) writes:
|> >In article <rdippold.724640745@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
|> >>imran@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
|> >>>	I hope this article makes you uncomfortable.  I hope this article makes
|> >>>you act.
|> >>
|> >>You bet.  I'm gonna go rape somebody.
|> 
|> >Very funny!  And next you're going to tell me that the holocaust
|> >didn't  happen.
|> 
|> The what?
|> 
|> >GROW UP!
|> 
|> But I don't want to grow up!  I'm a Toys 'R' Us kid!

......a starving, hollow-eyed Toys 'R' Us kid, leaning his skeletal frame on the
barbed-wire and watching the latest parade to the 'showers'.....
-- 
HWRNMNBSOL
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: cjohnson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Carrie L Johnson)
Subject: Definition of Anarchy
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:16:05 GMT


I'd love to hear what all of your definitions of anarchy are....

it's interesting to hea (publically) what people's individual 
definitions of anarchy are.....no one has the same one....

i've just come to call my self an anachist recently and it was 
a big thing to me to label myself such and to understnad the concepts
(whatever "the concepts" may be)

so, i'm just interested in peoples' own individual definitions...

but let's hear them publically if you're comfortable with that!

take care-----
cj

(standard disclaimer)
From: ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchist Films
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:17:11 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

In article <Bz60Dw.519@world.std.com> bbrigade@world.std.com (bad brigade) writes:
>
>
>I am searching for two films produced by Pacific Street Film Projects, Inc.
>
>They are:
>
>   Free Voice of Labor -- The Jewish Anarchists, 1980

If this is the film, I'm thinking of, it's great.  It includes an
interview with a Jewish anarchist, whose name I forget, who explains
how at the age of 60 or so, he and his partner got married, solely in 
order to secure some State benefit which would otherwise be denied them.

Their children attended the wedding....and their grandchildren too.

What films have been made about anarchism and anarchists?  BBC2 made 
a documentary about the British anarchists about 15 years ago.  A fine line
from this was that the government dislikes the anarchist movement for more
than the obvious reasons - unlike many other left wing movements, their
response to a particular situation is unpredictable, and therefore difficult
to plan for.  Long may this continue!

ian
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (Judge U. Not)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Definition of Anarchy
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:14:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec18.061605.24151@news.stolaf.edu>, cjohnson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Carrie L Johnson) writes...

>I'd love to hear what all of your definitions of anarchy are....

Anarchy means no government, nothing more or less.

It don't mean chaos, or lack the of it.
It don't mean socialism, or the lack of it. [Voluntary individual socialism
does not necessarily violate anarchist theory]
It don't mean life will be fair or unfair.
It says nothing about health care except there ain't no gov't to regulate it.

It gets a little sticky when unofficial governments act like real governments.
(That's what guns are for)

If all else fails, act responsibly and by your own rules.

I aint no lee harvey oswald...
Xref: sparky alt.society.anarchy:851 alt.society.revolution:559
From: bbrigade@world.std.com (bad brigade)
Subject: Anarchist Archive Project
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:14:02 GMT

                     Anarchist Archives Project

The AA Project is an independent undertaking committed to collecting and
cataloguing literature written by anarchists or on the subject of
anarchism for the eventual creation of an archive library.

Since its inception in 1982, the AA Project has collected and catalogued
over 400 periodicals, 600 books, 375 pamphlets and 425 newspaper
clippings, journal articles, leaflets and broadsides for a total of
6,500 items.

The AA Project is continually looking for donations of periodicals,
pamphlets, books and other anarchist related items to add to its
collection.

How can you help:

       - if you publish an anarchist periodical, donate a subscription
         to the AAP. You can also help to publicize the project by
         mentioning the AAP or reprinting this flyer in your publication.

       - if you have written a book, pamphlet, or anything else from an
         anarchist perspective or on the subject of anarchism (even if
         from an non-anarchist position), send the AAP a copy.

       - Don't throw your old anarchist literature out. If you have
         anarchist newspapers, journals, 'zines, books or other items,
         donate them to the AAP. (Postage will be reimbursed if requested.
         The AAP will also consider purchasing materials)

       - Make a contribution.

The AAP can also help you with your research by providing low cost
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If you are interested in donating materials, making a contribution or
learning more about the Anarchist Archives Project, please write:



                           Jerry Kaplan
                   Anarchist Archives Project
                          P.O. Box 1323
                      Cambridge, MA 02238


Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (student)
Subject: Re: Anarchism and Somalia Intervention
Organization: San Francisco State University
Distribution: alt.society.anarchy
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:33:56 GMT

In article <33481@twics.co.jp> eastexit@twics.co.jp (Jens Wilkinson) writes:

>However,  in the long-run things aren't so simple. Even leaving aside
>the questions of why the U.S. and U.N. are going into Somalia (actually
>we shouldn't leave those questions aside), we need to ask what will
>happen in the long-term. There is a great possibility that Somalia
>will be in the same situation it is now the day the U.S./U.N.leaves.
>
>I have a vision, which is partly based on seeing too many Hollywood
>movies like Robocop, of a world divided between two classes: the
>UN "peacekeepers," with the backing (naturally) of the powers of the
>world, and the people, who live under their oppression. It seems that
>in places like Somalia they are preparing to implement this strategy.


Unfortunately, I agree with your vision of how "the powers that be" will 
attempt to maintain control over the globe.  In a way, it reminds me of
the way that the ruling class in America uses the police to keep the
"underclass" under its thumb.

It seems as if we may be heading (rapidly) towards a global police state...

--
aaron
vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:32:45 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu
Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Dec14.225323.28356@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>A subject I'm surprised hasn't come up in a.s.a yet...

I know I know, I've just been yakking my head off about this on local
bulletin boards and I am frankly totally sick of it.

>The press, as well as American political leaders of "both" parties seem to have
>reached a consensus that the problem with Somalia is a lack of authority.  In
>fact, they claim that the country is/was in a state of anarchy.

Ain't that the truth.  The only way I have found to effectively deal with
this when talking to the theoretically uninitiated is to just say flat out
that there is no relation between Somalia and anarchy period end of story.
It sucks to have to be so closed about it, but I'm out of steam on it.

>How do they suppose the country got armed to the teeth, anyway? 
>Permissive upbringing of children, maybe?

That would the the Liberal/therapy position, but the conservatives don't
buy into that one.  Of course the conservatives also have an attack of
convenient amnesia about how those M-16's got into the hands of the population.

Paul

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: bbrigade@world.std.com (bad brigade)
Subject: Suggested @ reading
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:29:13 GMT

Allan,


Suggested authors would be Peter Kropotkin, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Michael 
Bakunin, Emma Goldman, Benjamin Tucker, Lysander Spooner, Max Stierner, Rudolf
Rocker, George Woodcock, Murray Bookchin, Colin Ward, Peter Wilson, Josiah 
Warren, Hakem Bey.

Mail order catalogs usually provide a sysnopsis of the books this is also a 
way of getting a feel for what is out there.

Perennial Books
POB B14 
Montague MA 01351

Left Bank Distribution
4142 Brooklyn Ave NE
Seattle WA 98105

Besides books there are also newspapers/magazines that can keep you abreast of
todays activities or thoughts:

Anarchy: A Journal of Desire Armed
C.A.L.
POB 1446
Columbia MO 65205-1446

Love & Rage
PO BOX 3
Prince Street Station
New York, NY 10012

there are many other sources, but this should help you get started. Oh I almost
forgot, ftp from ftp.css.itd.umich.edu /poli/Resources/radical.address.list
It might point you to other directions, good luck

blaine








Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Anarchy in Somalia
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:53:23 GMT

A subject I'm surprised hasn't come up in a.s.a yet...
The press, as well as American political leaders of "both" parties seem to have
reached a consensus that the problem with Somalia is a lack of authority.  In
fact, they claim that the country is/was in a state of anarchy.  (I'm sure the
Black flag is still flying over the areas that haven't yet been subdued by
multinational forces.)  Why aren't we taking them to task on this misuse of
language?  How do they suppose the country got armed to the teeth, anyway? 
Permissive upbringing of children, maybe?
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

A bird in the hand makes it awfully hard to blow your nose.
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy in Somalia
From: tumidity@netlink.cts.com (Joel Garry)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:51:09 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:
> >Maybe you need to rename Anarchy, so you don't confuse people that speak
> >in English and use dictionaries.  Definition 1c is a utopian state.
> 
> Which is no less inaccurate than def's 1a, 1b and 2.  Means freedom from
> effective means of being controlled, which is what "archy" is.

The ambiguity lies in that there ARE several definitions.

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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: Revolution
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:53:46 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <102082@netnews.upenn.edu> ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James Ingraham) writes:
>1% has more than the bottom 50%, but NINETY percent?  I don't think so.  And 
>also, I think you're missing a VERY major point; who owns the roads?  And the
>public utilities?  And the military?  NOT Bill Gates or Ross Perot.  People
>do.


That major point is not so major.  It is quite routine for municipalities to
build a nice new road for the express purpose of getting a new mill or
factory to come to town.  Out West I was out in the woods, came down off a
hillside and out of the trees, and by gum right out there in the middle of
nowhere was a beeeeeeeutiful spanking new road, black as coal with a very
tasteful, if I might add, yellow dashed line down the middle.  The sign
by the road said "Weyerhauser Road Construction Project, [xyz] County Public
Works, 'Your Tax Dollars At Work'".  I like that last jab, myself.  What
little town *wouldn't* choose to spend your tax dollars on a new road that
would serve Weyerhauser's interest in shipping timber off to Japan?  Esp.
after the Mayor gets a few nice lunches out with the execs.

If there were no commercial traffic on roads, they wouldn't exist.  They
were designed for commerce, and that's the function they serve.  The 
Interstate system especially.
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: Revolution
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:16:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec10.125133.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> hippee@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
]I don't see why one can't just kill the entire upper class.  It would certainly
]make the establishment of a new society easier if one removed those who have 
]benefitted from the last society.  As to Ghandi and King, they're great guys
]and all but they were only making people come to grips with the ideas they
]believed in as compared to the actions that they preformed.  The establishment
]of a new society, while it must come from the ashes of the old (like a pheonix)
]cannot establish itself in this way if the people who are in power have
]convinced
]the masses that its right to be the way they are.  Communism (non-Russian)
]seeks to establish something new, not something that has its roots in the 
]bourgeois past history of exploitation.Bourgeois business, bourgeois politics
]bourgeois justice, it's all crap.  It's time to change even if that means
]killing everyone with a Gucci bag.

This sounds just like more of the same. One power elite getting wasted and
replaced by another power elite. I hope like hell this is sarcasm.
 
]Viva la Revolucion!

Not.

]HIPPEE@oread.cc.ukans.edu
] 


-- 
Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep
Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are 
#^%$!! Militarist          |  going to the stars." Robert A. Heinlein
(Of the Sun Tzu mentality) |----------------------------------------------------
From: ruffalom@cs.uwp.edu (Mike Ruffalo)
Subject: (i/you) need (you/me)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:51:07 GMT


	Anyone outthere living in the S.E. Wisconsin area willing together
over the break and talk more in person about revolutionary ideology, in
practice? ;)=
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Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: Revolution
From: hippee@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:10:43 CST
 <1992Dec11.223045.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> <101788@netnews.upenn.edu> <1992Dec14.230943.23135@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <1992Dec14.230943.23135@leland.Stanford.EDU>, miballar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Ballard) writes:
> One percent of the families in the U.S.A. own more wealth than the bottom
> 90 percent combined.
> The 90 percent create the wealth of the U.S.A.  The one percent own the 
> means of producing the wealth (along with, most of the wealth which is
> produced).  The 90 percent are the wage-slaves.  Some of them own 
> Gucci bags.  Some are going to the University of Pennsylvania.  Some
> are picking up trash for the City of New Orleans.
> A real social revolution would change these social relationships.  The
> people who produce the wealth would also control its distribution and
> determine its content.
> 
> -- 
> Don't just complain; organize! e-mail miballar@leland.stanford.edu
> Ph: (415) 863-9627. Time is money; steal some today.
> 
> 
Keep the faith, friend!
Hippee@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
From: miballar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Ballard)
Subject: Re: Revolution
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:09:43 GMT

One percent of the families in the U.S.A. own more wealth than the bottom
90 percent combined.
The 90 percent create the wealth of the U.S.A.  The one percent own the 
means of producing the wealth (along with, most of the wealth which is
produced).  The 90 percent are the wage-slaves.  Some of them own 
Gucci bags.  Some are going to the University of Pennsylvania.  Some
are picking up trash for the City of New Orleans.
A real social revolution would change these social relationships.  The
people who produce the wealth would also control its distribution and
determine its content.

-- 
Don't just complain; organize! e-mail miballar@leland.stanford.edu
Ph: (415) 863-9627. Time is money; steal some today.
From: ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (James Ingraham)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: Revolution
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:01:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec14.230943.23135@leland.Stanford.EDU> miballar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Ballard) writes:
>One percent of the families in the U.S.A. own more wealth than the bottom
>90 percent combined.
>The 90 percent create the wealth of the U.S.A.  The one percent own the 
>means of producing the wealth (along with, most of the wealth which is
>produced).  The 90 percent are the wage-slaves.  Some of them own 
>Gucci bags.  Some are going to the University of Pennsylvania.  Some
>are picking up trash for the City of New Orleans.
>A real social revolution would change these social relationships.  The
>people who produce the wealth would also control its distribution and
>determine its content.
>
>-- 
>Don't just complain; organize! e-mail miballar@leland.stanford.edu
>Ph: (415) 863-9627. Time is money; steal some today.

Better check your figures, buddy.  I REALLY think you're wrong.  Maybe the top
1% has more than the bottom 50%, but NINETY percent?  I don't think so.  And 
also, I think you're missing a VERY major point; who owns the roads?  And the
public utilities?  And the military?  NOT Bill Gates or Ross Perot.  People
do.  If you really think there's a lot of wealth re-distribution that needs
to be done, why not offer some alternatives.  There are some really nifty
economic theories out there.  Give us some ideas here.  One thing is certain;
most of the ways that economists have to re-distribute wealth do not require
revolution.

-James
University of Pennsylvania
ingraham@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

And yes, some of us do go to the University of Pennsylvania.  Of course, the
other 75% of this university are receiving financial aid averaging $14,000
a year.