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From: silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:29:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov17.143000.17536
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'm trying to compile a list of comics announced but never published by major
comics companies. I use these terms flexibly, but if I include too many
small indpendents, the list will certainly become unmanagable. So far, I've
thought of:

Redeemer (DC)
Titans West (DC)
DC Double Comics (DC, to co-star Superboy and Supergirl)
Blockbuster (DC, to co-star the Charlton heroes in a weekly title)
JLA-Avengers and X-Men-New Teen Titans II (DC and Marvel)

I've also considered adding mini-series cut off before the end of their run:

Sonic Disruptors (DC)
Void Indigo (Marvel/Epic)

I'm sure there are other DC and Marvel titles that could be on this list, not
to mention Eclipse, First, Dark Horse, Malibu, and others?...


-- 
Jolyon A. Silversmith __________________________________________________________
silvers3@husc.harvard.edu            President             "Eternal Vigilance is
Mather House 100              ACLU of Harvard College      the Price of Liberty"
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From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: Final Morrison Doom Patrol?
Organization: P.E.A.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 14:44:52 EST


I got the last Doom Patrol (I can't quite remember the number)
and it seemed to be the final one that Morrison will be putting
out, although I'm no expert...does anyone know anything about this?

I thought it worked especially well as an ending.  I liked the feeling
of uncertainty even as the story ended with an air of conclusiveness...
For a while, I was wondering whether or not the Chief's program
had really been terminated...or did the Chief's program manifest
itself in the form of Danny the World?

Great stuff!

Also check out Morrison's story in the Piranha Press "Fast Forward"
#1, titled "a glass of water."  Oddly moving.  The best story of
the anthology, as long as you have the money.

handel
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:16:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.722110619
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <ZaqFuB11w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>> I'm sure I would have enjoyed it more if the story were more "childlike". Tha
>> is, eliminate the Selina character, don't worry about motivations of the
>> characters, etc. If it were more of a good guy-bad guy fairy tale I'm sure
>> I'd have loved it.

>WHat, eliminate the only female character?  No, no, no!  There aren't 
>enough women in comics as it is, in any capacity.

The only thing I didn't like about that scene was that I found naming her
"Selina" to be pretty cheezy given the lack of background about her.

>I think my reactions are the opposite to yours - I'd have liked it better 
>if it had played up the SF aspect and played down the "evil-aliens" 
>stuff.

WHAT SF aspect?  What there was was pretty much Adam Strange-level stuff,
I thought.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"So if you ask me how do I feel inside, I could honestly tell you we've
 been taken on a very long ride."
					- Marillion, "That Time Of The Night"
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From: jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson)
Subject: Superman hiatus (was Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:53:44 GMT

In article <SS.92Nov19072300@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>I have been buy all the Super title's since he was redone. So I will
>still continue to get them. 

At least until they are put on hiatus in February, right?

According to the February Westfield Newsletter, the "Funeral for a Friend"
storyline will continue until that month (2/93), when all of the Superman
titles will be put on hiatus. No mention of how long this period was to
last, but some folks have said that Supes will stay dead for a solid year,
so look for a return in November of '93. Maybe sooner. I don't know.

The last issue of Adventures of Superman, by the way, is 499. So yes, when
DC does pick up the titles again (presumably for his resurrection), the
title will be at the "anniversary" number of 500.

While I really think the storyline is a cheesy idea, and not that well
executed at all, I have a touch more respect for DC if they can keep this
Supes hiatus going for a reasonably decent length of time. Watch for the
signs of his Second Coming in practically every other DC title for the
next several months....

-- 
Jeff Williamson       ** 
ACNS/Northwestern U.  ** "In every revolution, there is one man
Evanston, Illinois    **  with a vision."
blackmagik@nwu.edu    **
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Subject: My College Loans...History!
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:24:39 EST
Organization: Penn State University

         Picked up my (unbagged) copy of Superman #75 today for a great
  price of $1.33(including tax!).  I thought it was really lame.   One
frame they are fighting, the next they're dead.  If all the Superman
books are this lame, it's no wonder they aren't selling.  Oh well, at
in a few years, my $15,000 worth of college loans will be paid off by this
little baby.  Hmmmm maybe I can grab another copy and buy a Ferrari.....


(Incredible sarcasm mode off)
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  mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu

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  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: Superman funeral on SNL 11/21/92
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:11:07 GMT

I didn't recognize all the costumes used in the Superman funeral
segment.  Here are those I did recognize:

Jimmy Olsen   (Rob Schneider (sp?))
Lois Lane     (Julia Sweeney)
Perry White   (Phil Hartman)
Batman
Robin         (Chris Rock)
Aquaman       (Dana Carvey)
John Stewart  (Tim Meadows (?))
Flash         (Adam Sandler)
Spiderman
Hulk          (Chris Farley)
Reed Richards (? Davis (I can't believe I can't remember his name))
Black Lightning (Sinbad)

Who else was there?

	-dp-
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From: smith@ug.cs.dal.ca (Sean Smith)
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:25:14 GMT

	To begin with, I'll state my biases.  I like DC.  Most of the titles
that I collect and look forward to are DC.  I do collect some Marvel, but
they're kind of minimal.  As well, since getting back into comics 2 years ago,
I haven't collected Superman titles consistently, just picking up the odd
issue that looked interesting.

	I did the stupid thing and *bought* Superman #75.  A poly-bagged copy.
Ignoring the advice of the comics store clerk, I opened it and read it. 

	Boy, was this *ever* disappointing.  The ending was predictable.  Hell,
it has been from since this whole arc started.  But still I was hoping that 
the writers would prove me wrong.  It might be excused if the art was good, but
it was only OK, IMHO.  

	Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else feel that DC is killing off
Superman only for the money?  That they're ignoring the collector and are 
simply going for the almighty buck, damn the consequences?  If anyone out there
from DC is listening, please hear this - publicity stunts don't cut it.  They
might work in the short term, but, in the long run, what hooks people and 
keeps them are good stories and art.  As well, to me, matching the style of
the artist to the title is important.  For example, Mark Texeira's work was
excellent, IMHO, on _Ghost Rider_ and _Punisher_, as was Norm Breyfogle's
work on the Batman titles.  However, obviously two "dark" artists like this
would look out of place in a Superman or JSA arc because their styles don't
really suit the book.

	Sorry to have wasted so much bandwidth, but I *had* to get this off
of my chest.

	Sean
IMHO, 
-- 
Sean Smith - Dalhousie University  "I'm not paid to think - that's management." 
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada                    Don Cherry for Prime Minister in
01SSMITH@AC.DAL.CA or smith@ug.cs.dal.ca	'93 in Canada!
Disclaimer:  These ideas are mine...ALL MINE!!  'Cause noone else'd want 'em.
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:03:44 GMT

In <1992Nov17.143000.17536@husc3.harvard.edu> silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:

>I'm trying to compile a list of comics announced but never published by major
>comics companies. I use these terms flexibly, but if I include too many
>small indpendents, the list will certainly become unmanagable. 

Some that I've long (and fruitlessly) waited for:

The HonkeyTonk Sue graphic novel by Bob Boze Bell (from Eclipse) -- on hold
    from Eclipse for years, and still holding
A new issue of Wardrums from William Messner-Loebs (from Fantagraphics?
    Eclipse? Aardvark-Vanheim?)
Eye of Mongombo #9 from Fantagraphics
..and of course, Mage II from Matt Wagner (but frankly, as long as he turns
    out such brilliant GRENDEL stories, I could care less.)

There would be more, but a number of titles I had thought I'd never see have
either shown up over the last year (Claremont's STAR TREK graphic novel, the
discovery of a slew of new Larry Gonick (sp?) CARTOON HISTORY OF THE <fill
in the blank>, new TALES FROM THE HEART, NEXUS and reprint collections of
LITTLE ORPHAN ANNIE (from Fantagraphics) and LATIGO and RICK O'SHAY from
Cottonwood Press), or are scheduled for the near future (THE BLUE WITCH OF
OZ, and a new issue of GREGORY.)

Oh, also:

>Sonic Disruptors (DC)

I'd heard, long ago, that Baron was going to complete this in a graphic
novel, but it never came about.

>Void Indigo (Marvel/Epic)

Pray God that never sees the light of day again!

>Jolyon A. Silversmith __________________________________________________________
>silvers3@husc.harvard.edu            President             "Eternal Vigilance is
>Mather House 100              ACLU of Harvard College      the Price of Liberty"
>Cambridge, MA 02138 ____________________________________________________________

                           "The price of liberty is eternal videotaping."
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman's death. True cost?
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:09:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

zlg1409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Zhenhai Li ):
>Personally, with the abysmial storyline, I normally wouldn't
>bother. But like everyone else am getting it for future value...
>Do you think the price will actually go up?

Superman #75 has the potential for spectacular price increases, especially
if inflation is high enough.  It may be worth hundreds of dollars one day.
In fact, I am so sure of this that I guarantee to buy any issues of
Superman #75 you can find me for their *full* resale value (less shipping), 
up to a maximum of **$1000** each!  So if you see a copy selling for
a hundred dollars and more, you might still think about buying it.
(This comic has the potential to be the next Stupendous Man #1! :)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.075200.7257@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.060720.6651@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.015601.24988@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>> It isn't tough.  The vote stands at 32-6 now.  If the opinion against LNH is
>>> strong enough, I will raise a formal CFV for a policy change to the r.a.c.m.
>>> charter.

>>Umm, I'm sorry, but you can't.  Net regulations.

[...]

>>Just out of curiosity, what would this "policy change" consist of?
>>A "no fanfic" rule?
>
>	Hmm.  Good question.   I imagine that one could just add something
>to the part of the charter and to the FAQ saying, "Rec.arts.comics.misc is for
>the discussion of comic books and comics-related materials not covered in the
>other rec.arts.comics.* newsgroups.  It is _not_ for the posting of fiction."

Sorry, but I'm a little confused as to what you mean by "It is _not_ for
the posting of fiction."  Does it mean:
  a) No one can quote from a comic?  Not even when reviewing a book? Or do
you mean no posting your own work? What about PAD's frequent quotes from
future issues of his comics/books? Will this no longer be allowed?
  b) The group _is_ for the posting of non-fiction? :-)

The problem with your new definition is that it's a bad idea to define a
.misc group by what is not allowed in the group.  A gentle reminder to put
LNH: in the subject line should be enough.

On the record, I neither read nor write LNH stories, but I support them
being cross-posted to RAC.misc because they are NOT off topic.  Spoofs of
comics would be discussed here, and this stuff must be better than some of
the comics being put out now...(Re: Youngblood)

Karthik Sheka
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Which Flash is Faster? (Was Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:23:08 GMT

For the record, last time this thread popped up, I calculated Jay's newspaper 
run as being on the order of Mach 1000, within a degree of magnitude.  For the 
Math Deprived, I mean his max speed is between Mach 100 and Mach 10000 (One 
Percent of lightspeed), if not more, since Jay didn't seem all that stressed 
from the run.  On the other hand, Wally is supposedly able to hit Mach 5 on a 
good day now that he's got some self confidence.  No way Mach 100 or more.
     Dave Van Domelen, can hit Mach .01 on a good day....
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From: kllove@wildcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love)
Subject: Re: Guy Gardner #3
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:17:06 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


I am not a Guy Gardner fan in general, but this issue was great.

Was anybody else thinking, "They're going to do some variation on the 'In
space, nobody can hear you scream' line!  I know they are!"?

The facial expressions told all of the "dialog" that was necessary for the
story.

                                                  Ramblin' on,
                                                  Kenneth Love
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From: kim@inquis.enet.dec.com (Howard Kim)
Subject: Re: Lex Luthor (was Doomsday:  I've been wondering)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:33:38 GMT


In article <SS.92Nov18073000@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes...
> 
>howie> I'm sorry .... Wally West is NOT the Flash and Matrix is NOT
>howie> Supergirl!  And then they kill off Lex Luthor, replacing him
>howie> with a hairy clone.
> 
>But it IS the same Luthor. His brian was transfered to a new cloned
>body. I think the nice guy attitude he has now will fade after some
>time and the old Luthor will be back. 

Speaking of Luthor, what's the deal with this nice guy attitude?
Is he trying to win the trust of the people and superheroes in order to
kill them all and take over the world?  He's had plenty of chances to off
Superman himself, so why hasn't he?  
He could have killed most of the heroes in Panic in the Sky, but he didn't.
Anyone know why?
I'm not a regular reader of the Superman titles (4 per month, all interrelated
is a bit expensive).  Anyone care to share some insight on Luthor?

H.
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: SUPERMAN:  What a joke.
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:04:33 EST

In article <1992Nov20.165634.12726@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
 
>
>I was prepared for a poorly written and drawn Superman #75, but this eclipsedd
>my worst fears.  Not only is the entire premise ridiculous, but it is so
>contrived and cheesy, I can't believe that I spent money on it.  Dan Jurgens
>sucks.  I just cannot see what people were raving about in these Superman
>titles.  Brett Breeding's inks are absolutely awful.  Some of the splash pages
>are quality (a few), but whatever decent layout Jurgens puts down, Breeding
>ruins.
>
>I thought this issue was bad, but when I looked through the JLA issue with the
>heroes putting armbands on, I could do nothing but laugh.
>
>--
 
   I really don't like Supes all that much, but since this fiasco is "an event"
, I thought I'd get a copy of it anyway.  My local comic book store didn't have
 a copy left, having sold 430 copies of it.   Personally, I was going to just
buy Supes #75, and pretend he was dead permanently.
    However, the REAL reason that I am posting is,
    GOD, I miss the Giffen JLA/JLE.
   The current JLA's are turning out to be just a fifth Superman title...
 
************************************************************************
   "INSANITY IS A VIRTUALLY IMPREGNABLE GAMBIT...
BUT YOU HAVE TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK EARLY IN THE GAME..."
 
    JUNSOK YANG (YANJUNA@YALEVM.YCC.EDU)
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:31:09 GMT
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	<1992Nov21.040220.8938@news2.cis.umn.edu>
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In-reply-to: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu's message of 21 Nov 92 04:02:20 GMT

>     4) He's really dead, but someone can make a clone.
>     Counter-argument: aren't they canceling LSH for just this sort
>     of silline ss?

lsmith> Maybe they just save his brain. (It's only resting at the
lsmith> moment.) Superbrain!  It has a ring to it. Maybe stick it into
lsmith> one of Cliff Steele's old bodies, let Grant Morrison write the
lsmith> title for awhile.

But how are they going to get his brain out? Revive DD and have him
rip his head off :)

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: email address for DC comics?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:13:04 GMT

A while ago, an address for DC was posted here.  Can anyone
provide this address again, and identify who reads the mail
sent there?

Tom
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Lex Luthor (was Doomsday:  I've been wondering)
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:19:24
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:59:59 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:59:59 GMT, pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) said:

pmm34393> In article <SS.92Nov18073000@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>
>howie> I'm sorry .... Wally West is NOT the Flash and Matrix is NOT
>howie> Supergirl!  And then they kill off Lex Luthor, replacing him
>howie> with a hairy clone.
>
>But it IS the same Luthor. His brian was transfered to a new cloned
>body. I think the nice guy attitude he has now will fade after some
>time and the old Luthor will be back.
>
pmm34393> Still, there was no reason for DC to "clone" him off, only a
pmm34393> relatively few years after they redid the character after
pmm34393> Crisis. Frankly, the Australian accent and the general
pmm34393> appearance of Luthor have made him a different and less
pmm34393> appealing character in my eyes evenn though
pmm34393> it's the same guy.

Yes we get parts of pre and post crisis in one package now...

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From: devil@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Dark Lord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Ghost Rider
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:31:52 GMT
Reply-To: devil@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Dark Lord)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: devil@louie.cc.utexas.edu


Hey, any Ghost Rider (the new one) fans out there? There seem to be 
very few articles on the demon of vengeance. IMHO, he is one of the
best characters in the Marvel Universe. I'm glad that this book is
taking bold new directions as compared to the trite and dull storylines
in the regular Marvel books.

The Dark Lord.
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:38:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.722061529
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Nov17.203651.2243@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly):
>>What I hated about the book: Idiotic editors who put asterisks in to explain
>>that ETA is Estimated Time of Arrival, but who ignore things like "prosthesis"
>>"cloning" "hyperspace" etc.

>Be reasonable.  'ETA' is a fairly arbitrary acronym.  If you hadn't heard
>it elsewhere, you'd be unlikely to guess.  On the other hand, it only
>takes logic and a basic grasp of the language to realize that 'prosthesis'
>is the opposite of 'antithesis', and so forth.

Does this mean that Robin will soon be meeting his evil counterpart:
Syn-thesis?  :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

AI is the attempt to make computers work the way they do in the movies.
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