From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)
Subject: Re: Farewell to the Mac? (not flame)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.081023.215@physc1.byu.edu> seth@physc1.byu.edu writes:
>In reference to the question of whether Mac people will feel "betrayed" by the
>transition, I say most heartily NO! I say that if someone bought an Apple II+
>or whatever 12 years ago, they ought to be GRATEFUL that they got those 12 
>years of use out of it and GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES!!
>[...]
>...One thing, though. If those Apple II
>people are feeling betrayed by Apple, I have a question. Did they just buy 
>their Apple II in the last two or three years?

No, I bought my GS in 1988. (I previously owned a TI 994/a and //e)
And yes, our Highschool was still whole-heartedly buying up Apple IIe's
and GS's from Apple computer at the time)

> If so, then what they are
>feeling is angry at themselves for being so BLIND that they bought an old,
>hardly-supported-at-all-anymore design from yesteryear.

Not necessarily. Like you said, when you go home, you still use that ol'
atari. Well, the same can be said about Apple II's. They may be old, but
they are not dissfunctional. What really hurts is that they are all
totally expandable; (My gs can run from 8-14 mhz with an accelerator card)
you can add on to them to keep them fairly up-to-date and very useable.
So I'm not as "bad-off" as a IIe owner, because my computer is more
up-to-date. I use it all the time. Infact, its my only computer, and
I'm here doing Engineering.

It also hurts that Apple themselves kinda labeled the II line as
disfunctional.... and that infuriated II owners. (their own company
dumping on its own product that was selling well at the time) I agree
that at some time it is "time to move on" but Apple screwed up, period.
For the sake of Mac owners, I hope Apple Marketing doesn't do the same
in two years.

> What I can't believe
>is that Apple still sold them by the thousands to school districts and such. 
>I think that Apple should have stopped selling them a LONG time ago, and got
>people to make the change to the mac.

Ah, but /not everyone/ wanted to change to the mac. (granted, if Apple
would have made the changeover a lot nicer, most likely, most of those
people would have switched). But the schools that had thousands of dollars
of Apple II equipment and software... what do you do with them? Apple strung
them along... so the students got strung along... the whole Apple II
"community" was strung along. (IMHO) Besides, a few years ago, the II
was still going strong, yet Apple just told developers to "stop".

If that happened to the mac, wouldn't you be a little pissed off? ;)

>Then maybe so many people wouldn't be feeling betrayed right now.

Many Apple II people feel betrayed because the entire II market went
to support the developement and expansion of the Mac. Fine, the mac did
well. BUT... Apple didn't have to dump on the II like they did. It
infuriated schools, and now many have gone msdos clonin'.

>But like I said, if you bought your machine 12
>years ago then YOU GOT YOUR MONEY'S WORTH, now MOVE ON!

True. Like I said, I have a IIgs now. I would /love/ to have a PB 160.
But what scares me is this:

1. The quickness with which Apple comes out with new models. Ex: PB 145.
   Its obsolete now. Come Jan more models are coming out. What if a
   PB 166 came out w/ and 040 in it? Yes, I'd still have the nice PB 160
   that I purchased, but its value has definitely decreased, and boy
   would I love to have an 040 portable. (and yes, I know, its always
   impossible to keep up with technology, but still, I think there
   are many people out there who feel this same way)
2. What is going to hapen when the PowerMac comes out? How many
   of the /current/ macs will be thrown into obscolescence because
   of it?
   
Oh well, that's just my $.02 worth.

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