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From: lthompsn@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Paramount no chapters, was Re: Temple of Doom Caveat
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:06:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.160323.2126@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>In article <SS.92Aug27082040@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>
>>The set was originally 2 sides, but went to 3 to make for a better
>>break to the next side. Watched it last night, and the quality was
>>very good. Equal to the Star Trek LBX movies. Paramount does a nice
>>job.
>
>They usually do good transfers from good sources.  But why oh why do
>they never use chapter encoding?  I haven't seen the new Indy discs
>yet, but I suspect they have no chapters either.  They don't even
>use it for simple things like trailers, or introductory material
>that you might want to skip over and, of course, nothing for movie
>segments.
>
>-- 
>                 "So many windows, So little time"
>
>Bill Cruce, N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown, OH 44272
>VOICE: 216-325-2511,  FAX: 216-325-0522,  INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu

The new indy discs (well I don't like Temple of Doom so I didn't buy it) are
chapter encoded.


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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Indy LBX has chapters!
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:03:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <14638@mindlink.bc.ca>, Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes...

} Yes, the new Indy Jones LBX do have chapters, in fact so did the P&S
} versions as far as I can recall. (Apocalypse Now LBX has chapters, [...]
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So did the original P&S release. In fact, I was a bit surprised to note
that the letterboxed release had the same number of chapters, and in exactly
the same spots, as the original P&S release.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Beauty & the Beast Box Set
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:46:39 GMT

Haven't seen this yet, so...

Once again, that ugly creature THE BOX SET rears its ugly head 8-)
I just picked up a flyer at the local Wherehouse which was touting
the upcoming video release of BatB and at the bottom it noted
that a "Deluxe Collector's Edition" would also be availible- their
price was $74.99 pre-ordered.  According to the flyer, it should
have:

* the film (natch' 8-))
* CD of the soundtrack
* illustrated book on "The Making of BatB"
* Limited-Edition Commemorative Lithograph
* Special "Work in Progress" videocassette, incl. "The Making of
  BatB"

It should be noted that the flyer only specifies VHS- still no word
on LD 8-(

OK- so far, we've got upcoming box sets for "Akira", "T2", "The
Abyss", "Spartacus", and "Alien" and now this; hopefully Fox and 
Criterion will stick to their usual delayed scheduling and release 
their titles a little spaced out 8-) 

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From: tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin)
Subject: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark (lbx)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:02:32 GMT

To say how good the transfer is, watch closely the scene when
Indy fell to the room where the Ark locates.  He raised his head and
found a Cobra facing him "face-to-face", well, actually,
"face-to-thin glass-toface".  A thin glass is separating the Cobra and
Indy.  This is the first time I noticed it when watching the LBX LD.
Why did I say that?  Because there is a reflection image of the cobra
on that "thin glass".  It shows up again when Karen Allen fell to the room.
Maybe this has already been discussed .... but hey, 1st time for me!

Some segments of the film looks grainy as well, probably due to the film stock.

Overall, not as impressive a transfer as Last Crusade, but still
quite good on the average.  And the sound IS impressive.

Tzung-I

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From: martin@atlantis.csc.ti.com (Steven Martin)
Subject: Re: Is the LBX Excalibur OK?
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:01:30 GMT


My copy had a defective side 3.  Gradually got noisier and noiser
(video noise that is).  When I returned it to Sight & Sound they
commented that it was the 4th one coming back for the same reason.

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From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark (lbx)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:55:49 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I noticed the glass between Indy and the cobra when I watched the pan and scan
version a long time ago. One really startling moment in the LBX film is when
Bellocq holds up the idol for the natives to see at the beginning of Raiders.
Watch the way the focus suddenly changes!

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From: hoppersm@infonode.ingr.com (Marcia Hoppers)
Subject: Criterion Prince of Tides LD
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:48:01 GMT

Has anyone heard why the Criterion director's cut of the Prince of Tides
has been cancelled?

Marcia
From: jaime@tcville.edsg.hac.com (Jaime Villacorte)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: * Starman's LD review: Raiders of the Lost Ark
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:37:23 GMT
Reply-To: jaime@tcville.UUCP (Jaime Villacorte)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Aug28.163847.4694@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
>In any case, I got a rare (but fun) opportunity to compare the videotape
>to the laser disc. If you can, do a comparison because it's then that
>you appreciate watching a movie in the widescreen format. The colors are
>really pale and the sides are very necessaary for the scope of the frame
>(no kidding!).

	I pulled out my VHS copy of Raider's last night and watched it
simultaneously with the LD version, on a second tv, and you're absolutely
right - except for Ghostbusters, there's no other LD movie I currently
own in which the widescreen format made such a dramatic improvement.
The electronic panning that occurs in the VHS version of the scene
in which the 2 army intelligence people interview Dr. Jones should be
used as a textbook example of why some movies must be presented in
their original letterboxed form.

	As an aside, does anyone know why Paramount changed the type-face
of the opening credits and the beginning of the closing credits? In my VHS
copy, the letters were all solid, but the LD version had an outline
typestyle.


> Paramount did an EXCELLENT job with the sound. I had the
>floors shaking with the volume only half way up. 

	Thumbs up from me also. Several scenes with good deep bass
and nice surround effects. Rivals the UFO-&-Pickup-trucj-at-the-railroad-tracks
scene in Close Encounters for my choice of an LD presentation which best
shows off a subwoofer.

					- jaime villacorte

     Hughes Aircraft Co, EOS                  jaime@tcville.hac.com
              El Segundo, CA                  villacor@hac2arpa.hac.com
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From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde)
Subject: Re: Eraserhead?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Distribution: rec.video.releases
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 11:02:15 GMT

   D A V I D   L Y N C H   :   E R A S E R H E A D


Eraserhead is not available on video in the US (it has been in England but that's
on PAL) (I've got it!).

The Elephant Man, Dune, Blue Velvet (normal+letterbox), Wild at Heart (normal+
letterbox) and Twin Peaks episodes is available in England, and also in the US
i think...

I can have my copy of Eraserhead copied from PAL to NTSC (US system) but that 
will cost you a lot of money (about $65.00 + shipping!!!!!!).

-----
Kurt.
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From: jhc819@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (chung jason ho yong)
Subject: Storing laserdiscs properly?
Summary: am I storing them properly?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:03:13 GMT
Keywords: laserdiscs, storage

     I've got 100+ laserdiscs now.  The bulk of them are stored vertically,
     snugly in a long box that is almost a perfect fit.  About 80 are in one
     box and the rest are in another box.  I had box sets (Godfather Tri. &
     Aliens CAV) in the front and back but now put empty cardboard laserdisc
     mailer boxes there, to keep the discs from the edges of the front and
     back from warping.

     Am I doing it properly enough?  Can I store them better?

     Any info is appreciated.

     Thanks, Jason
     jhc819@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 14:34:57 EDT
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner) writes:

> Has anyone caught Start Trek VI on disk yet?  I have II, III and IV and  
> have been pretty happy with them (all are in Letterbox format).  I liked  
> VI in the theater and wondering if it's worth getting on disk.

Have it, and yes, I think it's worth it.  Specially since the disc version
has a couple of minutes extra which affects the plot quite a lot.

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 22:47:01 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:

> I just rented this and is it only me, or are there others who really
> dislike all the extra footage? 

No, I agree with you about roughly two-thirds of it.  Most of the stuff
added for this edition doesn't add anything to the plot, and worse, it
slows down the pacing -- a serious problem for a film that moved like a
runaway freight train in its theatrical cut.    

The new material I liked was the handful of shorter scenes that fleshed
out Ripley's relationships with her daughter, Newt, and Hicks.  (The bit
where she and Hicks exchange first names was tops -- sorry it made you
ralph. :-)

> I suppose it shows that directors really aren't Gods and are definitely
> NOT the only person involved in the end result of a released film. 

Yeah, I always had a problem with the idea that artists aren't the best
people to judge their own work, but you rarely have a chance to see two
versions of a film contrasted as starkly as in the theatrical vs.
director's cuts of _Aliens._  I enjoy the Special Edition as a package
(the suppliments are excellent, and the new footage is interesting to
see), but when given the choice, I'd prefer the original cut.

We'll see how _The Abyss_ and _T2_ fare under similar treatment.  (I'm
betting it helps _The Abyss,_ by the way.)

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"It's a party item, much like the TITANIC was."
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From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde)
Subject: Re: Beauty & the Beast Box Set
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:38:57 GMT

Wonderful!!!! (Why don't they do this with all their major releases?)

Did the flyer mention any limited release (under a year)?
I want to wait and see if the BoxSet also will be released in England (PAL)
(release fall '93).

-----
Kurt.
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From: ins598w@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Roger Tall)
Subject: Star Trek VI on video when?
Organization: Monash University
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:56:08 GMT
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.163732.26554@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>What were the scenes where the dialog was changed?

One scene in particular I remember is the scene in Operations where they're
huddled around the map table, planning their barricades.  In the special
edition, the dialog is changed slightly to include mention of the where
the sentry guns go.

The other scenes I remember the dialog was inserted into the old scenes, like:
-when Burke tries to convince Ripley to go the first time, she asks him
 why he's going along and he tells her about the Company's interest;
-Ripley and Newt's talk in medlab included topics like death and babies;
-there is the final pronouncement at Ripley's hearing;
-Hicks sounds a bit more snappish when he shouts, "MOVE!" at Vasquez and
 Hudson, after saying, "I want you two walking perimeter;"

Just an Aliens groupie with nothing better to do with my time...
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Sleeves for LD boxes ??
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:36:28 GMT

There are all kinds of plastic sleeves available for the standard
single disc in cardboard sleeve.  Many will fit double discs and
even Criterion's triple disc folders.  I have found that the ones
from Tewksbury will even fit over some of the slimmer boxes. But...

** Has anyone found a sleeve to cover boxes with laserdisc sets? **

Phone people at Tewksbury and Sight & Sound said they didn't know
of any but had many people asking.
 
-- 
                 "So many windows, So little time"

Bill Cruce, N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown, OH 44272
VOICE: 216-325-2511,  FAX: 216-325-0522,  INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu
From: bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Alien S.E
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:00:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.video.releases
Organization: IXI Ltd.


>Note the "s", I'm not talking about the upcoming Alien S.E. set, but the
>currently available AlienS special edition.
>...

What upcoming Alien S.E. - Tell me more...

-Bov!

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From: rwittick@ibm.cl.msu.edu (Bob Wittick)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Indy Jones LBX (x 2)
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:31:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video.releases
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <14575@mindlink.bc.ca>, Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike
Quigley) wrote:
> 
> Although the official release date for these two disks is Aug 27th, apparently
> many stores in the States have them for sale already. I picked up both locally
> this afternoon. The letterboxing on my TV which is somewhat overscanned is
> about 2.1 to 1, which makes me think it is correct. Having scanned briefly
> through both, the picture looks exceptionally clear and the colors are sharp.
> Quite a lot of detail lost with the P&S is apparent!

Since both movies were made in Panavision (according to Halliwell), the
ratio should be about 2.35 to 1.

               Bob Wittick
               Computer Laboratory
               Michigan State University
From: jhill@gallstone.bucknell.edu (HILL, S JACKSON)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: "What the Butler Saw" inquiry
Keywords: TV
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: gallston.2SEP199212181474
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Has anyone encountered a video release (or otherwise) of the BBC television
play/film from the mid-80's of "What the Butler Saw"?  It got strong reviews
in the British press at the time and has I think totally disappeared, never
showing up on Masterpiece Theater or the A&E channel, both of which would be
naturals for this sort of fare.  Any info would be appreciated.  Post here
or e-mail to jhill@bucknell.edu    Thanks.
From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Aliens Special Edition -- Yuck!
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:15:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Sep02.163732.26554@uhura.neoucom.edu>, wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
> 
> 
> What were the scenes where the dialog was changed?
> 

Well, I could be wrong -- I only rented it and don't own it, so I can't
double check.  BUT, I could have sworn that the notes listing all the changes
mention some scenes in which the dialog was changed and/or reordered.  At any
rate, there are lots of little changes that I'm certain do not have there
own unique chapter number (like the name exchange scene) and thus could not
easily be programmed out or skipped and you'd still be stuck with lots of
blue "Searching chapter xxx" screens in the middle of the movie -- as if
side breaks weren't enough already!  Ideally, we had have two letterboxed
versions, one the original and one this special edition.  Unfortunately for
those of us who prefer the original, that probably will not happen.

Steve
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Paramount no chapters, was Re: Temple of Doom Caveat
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 19:29:29 GMT

In article <rwittick-030992074422@wittick.cl.msu.edu> rwittick@ibm.cl.msu.edu (Bob Wittick) writes:
>In article <1992Sep02.163119.26058@uhura.neoucom.edu>,
>wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) wrote:
>
>> I have now seen the new Indy discs -and checked the old ones which, some
>> one else pointed out, also have chapters.  Does anyone know why Paramount
>> chapter encoded these but has used chapters on almost (being cautious now)
>> none of their other disc releases?
>
>Apocalypse Now (widescreen) and The Ten Commandments, both from
>Paramount, are chapter encoded.

Now, being somewhat more thorough I looked through my database, which is
not always complete on the matter of chapters.  I found that almost every
label (except Criterion) has released laser discs withOUT chapter encoding
MCA, RCA/COL, and MGM have a fair number.  But I think PARAMOUNT is still
outstanding.  In addition to the above mentioned discs I found only FOUR
other PARAMOUNT discs with chapter encoding (Blue Angel, Death on the Nile
The Milky Way, and The Untouchables.  But I found SEVENTEEN which are
not chapter encoded.  This does not include the entire STAR TREK Original
Series as well as all of The Next Generation so far released - None of
which have chapters.

List of laser discs from PARAMOUNT which have no chapters:

3 Days of the Condor, Chinatown LBX, Days of Thunder, Dead Again, Desperate
Hours, Blue Hawaii, Fatal Attraction Director's Series, Godfather 3, Hearts of 
Darkness, Hunt for Red October, Monty Python's Life of Brian, The Red Shoes
Shane, Star Trek 25th Anniversary, Star Trek VI, The Two Jakes LBX, 
Young Sherlock Holmes.

-----------------

Does anyone have any insight into why a company does or does not chapter
encode their laser disc release?

-- 
                 "So many windows, So little time"

Bill Cruce, N.E. Ohio Univ. Coll. of Medicine, Box 95, Rootstown, OH 44272
VOICE: 216-325-2511,  FAX: 216-325-0522,  INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu
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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Laser disc and video
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa  
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:17:51 GMT

In <r02m8ca.harlock@netcom.com> harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock) writes:

>Pfft.  Easy.  They use the PAL format (1/5 more resolution than NTSC and
>different (better) coloring.
>Just get a copy from the UK and run down to one of the many video stores
>around that offer PAL -> NTSC conversion.

All the conversion stores around here have a nice big sign that says
"no copyrighted material copied"......
-- 
gary cooper (not the dead one)

                             Luddites Unite!
From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: List movies by actor (Virginia Madsen)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:27:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.

In article <1992Aug26.165934.20918@advtech.uswest.com>, pprun@lookout.mnet.uswest.com writes:
>Is there a reference that I can look in to determine which movies a
>particular actress was in?  My specific question is what movies has
>Virginia Madsen been in, but this is also a generic question.  Thanks.

Sounds like you could do with a copy of the rec.arts.movies credit lists -
available via anonymous ftp from boulder.colorado.edu [I/P addr: 128.138.240.1]
in the directory pub/tv+movies. FYI, on the actress list Virginia Madsen's 
movies are listed as:

Class
Creator
Dune
Electric Dreams
Fire with Fire
Gotham
Hearst and Davies Affair, The (TV)
Heart of Dixie
Highlander 2: The Quickening
Hot Spot, The (1990)
Hot to Trot
Ironclads (TV)
Long Gone (TV)
Love Kills (TV)
Modern Girls
Mr. North
Slamdance
Third Degree Burn (TV)
Victim of Love (TV)
Zombie High
"Mussolini: The Untold Story" (mini)

Cheers,

Col

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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: 50th anniversary casa
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:01:35 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

MF>MGM/UA home video has released two 50th-anniversary videocassette editions
MF>of the classic film "Casablanca" (1942).  Both are made from a newly
MF>restored and remastered print of the film.
MF>This seems kinda weird that a tape version would come with more than the
MF>disc version.  In fact, I'm not sure that I've EVER heard of a tape version
MF>having more than a special edition disc version.  This makes me wonder if
MF>they didn't have their story straight.
MF>They also don't mention a street date.

     The videotape edition of the 50th-anniversary "Casablanca" is in
     stores now; I've seen it myself.  Both the standard and "deluxe"
     edition.

     The laserdisc editions do indeed contain everything on the videotapes,
     as far as I've heard, though they're not scheduled for release until
     around the middle/end of September.
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