HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann)
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory for the Amiga?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:12:01 GMT

In article <2310@forty2.physik.unizh.ch> blatter@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Martin A. Blatter) writes:
>The program has been released and is available in Germany under
>the name of `GigaMem'. It *requires* an Amiga with MMU (68020
>with 68851 or real 68030). GigaMem can make secondary memory 
>(e.g. space on a hard drive) available as primary memory (RAM).
>...
>Martin A. Blatter - ICU
>blatter@ifi.unizh.ch, blatter@amiga.physik.unizh.ch

Where, pray tell, can it be found?  Is it commercial or freely
distributable?  From what you describe, it may just be a functional
solution.  More info, please!!

 ._.  Udo Schuermann     "If I went around calling myself emperor just because
 ( )  walrus@wam.umd.edu  some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd
 Seeking virtual memory   put me away!"         -- Monty Python's "Holy Grail"
From: soft-logik@cup.portal.com (Kevin W Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Twin: Amiga<>PC networking?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:33:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>About two and a half years ago I asked a question here about whether
>or not it was possible to network a little laptop I had without
>a hard drive to the Amiga, something I didn't think should be that dif-
>ficult considering that the Amiga multitasks so well.  I received no
>response, no replies, nothing.  Evidently it is now possible to
>at least -connect- them.  I've always thought that something reminiscent
>of Parnet or Sernet for PC-Amiga connection would be a hell of a utility,
>since quite a few Amigoids have PC's floating around for one reason or
>another.  I've taken a look at Twin, and it's OK for what it does, which
>is transfer files, but personally I find it just as easy to dump the
>files on a 720K disk to move them back and forth.  Now if the program
>allowed you to actually RUN PC files from an Amiga hard drive, THAT would
>be a hell of a program.  Just imagine, one accelerated amiga stuffed with
>serial cards could act as a server to several PC's, without any special
>hardware on either the amiga or the PC's.
>
>I wonder how much more difficult it is to run a program on a pc from an
>Amiga hard drive than to just copy it over.
>

I tried TWIN (I'm running AmigaDOS 2.1 beta) and it did strange things to
my system. Sometimes it caused big hunks of my device (and assign) list to
disappear. Other times I started getting recoverable alerts with AmigaDOS
commands and other things wouldn't run because of not enough memory (even
though there was plenty).

The sucker is FAST though. I was getting about 9900 characters per second
between my A2000/A2630 and a laptop (386sx/20).

Kevin Davidson, Asst. Moderator AmigaZone Vendor Support - PORTAL
               <soft-logik@cup.portal.com>
        SOFT-LOGIK BBS (PCP MOSLO) (314) 894-0057
From: wayne@amtower.spacecoast.org (Wayne Summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory for the Amiga?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:17:51 GMT
Reply-To: wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Organization: Wayne's Machine; Palm Bay, Florida

In article <1992Jul27.101544.3547@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> In <1992Jul27.024218.17053@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> >   Rumors about this German-written virtual memory system have been filtering
> >around the net for over a year, but nothing solid ever seems to come about
> >from it.  For all the rumors and good reports from German Amiga users, the
> >thing remains totally vaporware for anybody outside of Europe.  If this thing
> >really does exist and works as advertized, why doesn't the company at least
> >develop a crippleware demo of the vmem system that can be freely distributed,
> >as proof that it really exists?  Until the company behind this product does
> >something to show that this thing is not vaporware, I will remain solidly
> >skeptical.
>
> It's rather Swiss-written and you may remain skeptical. Fact is that it
> did work stable. In how far VMEM is a performance problem (and this implementation
> in particular) has to be determined.
>
> BTW, ADPro crashed with more than 512Megs virtual memory available.. dunno why.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Michael van Elst
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Maybe the memory hog finally got stuffed!!!!
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From: s37732v@vipunen.hut.fi (Markus Juhani Aalto)
Subject: PageStream Demo?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:45:36


Hi!

I remember that there was a demo version of PageStream available for
ftp somewhere. If so, where can I get it?

Thanks!

BTW: Which one is faster in display update: ProPage or PageStream?

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From: u2112539@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Directory Opus 3.50
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:43:49 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

]In article <Bs3v4z.1rv@DMI.USherb.CA>, vailm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARC VAILLANCOURT) writes:
> -> I have become generally disillusioned with the whole business, and 
> -> am myself seriously considering moving to an IBM or Unix platform 
> -> after the next version of Directory Opus is finished.
>  
>   HA! Who will buy Directory Opus now that you tell it probably won't be
> updated?  Personnaly I'll suggest anyone looking for a nice DirUtil to buy
> SID 2 instead.
> 
> 	Marc
> 

	If you have ever seen DirOpus even in it's early stages it blows away
anything else available.
	George


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: iwoehr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ivan Woehr)
Subject: Re: cd-ROM caddys, where to get them
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 03:09:43 GMT

FELIX-ONE@cup.portal.com (Dan A Miller) writes:

>  P.S. the cheap part----> $5.00 each ! ( I was going to get them for $11)

	CD Rom, Inc. (Golden, CO) also has caddies for sale cheap!
	If you want the adress let me know!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: kopackm@lonex.rl.af.mil (Michael A. Kopack)
Subject: Need answer to FAQ, What the heck is TeX ?????
Organization: RL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:12:14 GMT

Could somebody please give me a good description of what the heck TeX is.
I've seen it talked about on this newsgroup before, but never really understood
what it was. In fact, I've always thought it was some commercial product
untyil I saw it listed on Fish Disks 611-616. They are awefully big files
and I don't feel like dl them unless it's something I will use. So, wehat
is it? I have speculated that it might bwe some sort of word processor or
possibly a program for evaluting complex mathematical formulas, but I reaslly
don't know.

Sorry if this is a FAQ but I really want to know.

--Mike Kopack

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From: Tom_Gowdyk@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom Gowdyk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Need Help
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:56:20 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I will be running a hockey pool during the start of the next NHL season.  I can
get a computer feed of all the stats, but I need a way to import the ASCII data
into something (spreadsheet, database etc) to pull all the selected players out
and place them into their selected teams.  Something that would basically
automate the process.  Any suggestions of ideas out there?

I am a total non-programmer.  I am running an Amiga 2000HD with 7 megs of RAM,
a Quantum 40 meg hard drive and A2088 Bridgeboard with a SOTA 286i accelerator.

I have Superbase Professional 3 and several spreadsheets.  I also have DBaseIII
on the PC side but don't know how to use it.  Any help you can give would be
appreciated.


Tom Gowdyk
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From: bkwilli@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Bryan Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.audio,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Deluxe Music Construction Set - Upgrade??
Keywords: DMCS Upgrades, Music, MIDI
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:48:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Great Beyond

If you like DMCS-style editing, I suggest OctaMed 3.0 or Octamed Pro ?? as it
may be called. It has musical notation as well as module editor type....
 
and of course, sounds a helluva lot better!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Hard drive defragmenting
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.185833.10748@mcshh.Hanse.DE> hkr@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Holger Kruse) writes:

>A comment from the programmer:
>
>The latest ReOrg version is V2.31. I have not received any bug reports
>about that version yet. If ReOrg does not work correctly on your system,

Oh, great (rolling eyes).  There goes my latest theory.  Well, back to square 1.


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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Any relational DBMSs out there?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:17:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I think dbMan is a clone of DBASE III+, so its relational-like. Nothing
like SQL (please don't pronounce it "sequel", or the SQL police will
gouge your eyes out).

Superbase is relational, pretty much, it uses something similar to,
but not quite, SQL.

TomK@cup.portal.com
From: bombadil@diku.dk (Kristian Nielsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: XPK HELP!!!!!
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:34:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

Michel@mike.CAM.ORG (Michel Lauzon) writes:


>Can someone could send me (uuencode) the latest version of XPK (version 
>2.1 is on amiga.physik.unizh.ch amiga/priv/********* but i dont have FTP 
                                       ^^^^

NOTE!!! You do *NOT* want to get this. It's a BETA release only meant
for the registered beta testers, and it's not stable (it fact it is
rather unstable as far as I've experienced). Why do you think the
directory is call 'priv' and isn't readable? That's right it's for
'private'. The only released version is the one on the german mag
'AmigaPlus', and it should be available on some ftp sites by now
(can't say which, though).

Please understand that we are only trying to get the best possible Xpk
available to the amiga community. Having buggy beta versions floating
around all over the world won't help the development at all. So please
don't spread this beta version.

	- Kristian.
From: riddle@dri.com (Riddle)
Subject: distant_suns to printer
Organization: Digital Research Inc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:22:49 GMT

Distant Suns can only dump the screen to an IFF file.

How do I "image process" that dump into something that when printed out
looks let the skymaps in "Sky and Telescope" only better?


I have ADpro and have tried the NEGATIVE operator and COLOR-TO-GRAYSCALE,
with very limited results.

 I also don't understand how to change:

1. Background colors (several shades) into white/transparent(whatever color
   won't waste the printers time).

2. How to change the stars, planets, objects, constellation outlines and
   all the names into ONE nice black color.

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From: cschneid@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory, a first test.
Keywords: VMEM
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:30:29 GMT
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Comp. Sci.

In article <1992Jul28.101448.858@unibi.uni-bielefeld.de> markus@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer) writes:

>AG/Switzerland, thereby written by Christian A. Schneider, Friedeman 
                                              ^ This is obsolete ;-)

>I missed some hints on the use of the real Memory. Duing the test, VMEM
>was somewhat (real) RAM-greedy, i explained that due to the fact that a 
>MMU-Table for large VMEM-Partitions can be large, too. This is not mentioned.

Facts about memory usage: 5K per 10MB vmem, which leads to a 30K for 'common'
60MB virtual memory.

>1 GB space, i thionk the authors didn;t had access to a larger drive, 
>VMEM runs fine with 1.9 GB :)

Since programs might get into troubles if you'd use all that 1.9GB, up to
1GB was tested. Explanation: addresses would get in the 0x80000000 range,
i.e. 'negative' addresses which confuses certain programs comparing pointers.
This is an application problem, not really a GigaMem one.

>Also i missed hints for possible dangers or problems, e.g. that VMEM doesn't
>run with 'CPU FASTROM' (needs MMU table itself).

It _does_ work on our test machine. It links an active MMU table to its own
table, except for certain 'bogus' (very specialized) tables, e.g. Enforcer.

>Under OS 2.0 the mainpart is installed in Sys:wbstartup. 

'Mainpart' is somehow misleading. Only a project icon is copied to WBStartup.

>provided, one may discuss this, i think the way VMEM does it is better.

My opinion as well ;-) (You could have guessed that, couldn't you?)

>As i am not a music-freak, i had no intention to test VMEM with a Soundtracker
>or Digitiser.

Audiomaster has been tested and works fine. Editing of 100MB samples?
No prob ;-)

>All in all VMEM was very stable and simple to deal with. The only problem
>which did acutally occure was a problem with a 'MAsk'-entry in the Mountlist.
>This was ou only crash in about 10 hours testing.

This has been improved already.

>Markus Illenseer       EMail: markus@TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.de

-- 
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The goal of science is to build better mousetraps. The goal of nature is to
build better mice. - Human beings were created by water to transport it uphill.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: aq061@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Devine)
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory for the Amiga?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 19:17:41 GMT


I have read some of the post on this virtual memory program for the amiga..
Is it a swap disk (like windows on an ibm uses) to simulate ram on the HD?
Also, can someone please mail me a copy - I don't have FTP access.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: coatta@cs.ubc.ca (Terry Coatta)
Subject: MX70 Printer Driver Needed
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:35:55 GMT

Yup! Thats right... an MX70.  So if you;ve got a printer driver or know
where one can be found please let me know.


--
Terry Coatta (coatta@cs.ubc.ca)
Dept. of Computer Science, UBC, Vancouver BC, Canada

`What I lack in intelligence, I more than compensate for with stupidity'
From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory for the Amiga?
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:19:41 GMT
	<1992Jul27.193125.18927@uni-paderborn.de>
	<1992Jul28.083807.19323@news.iastate.edu> <Bs3vA2.1uq@DMI.USherb.CA>
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
In-reply-to: vailm00@DMI.USherb.CA's message of 28 Jul 92 15:34:50 GMT
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13  [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> On 28 Jul 92 15:34:50 GMT, vailm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARC VAILLANCOURT)
>>>>> said:

>>>>>> Marc Barrett said:

>>As a matter of fact I do.  If something is available in Europe but not in
>>the U.S., then for me for all practical purposes that product does not
>>exist. Like I said, until this virtual memory product is released over here,
>>it will remain vaporware to me.

>   Does it mean you consider the A600 to be vaporware?

In a word -- yes.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui)
Subject: Re: ProDraw/ProPage Upgrade costs?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:43:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.194854.24397@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender) writes:
>	I'm pretty sure the upgrade cost to go from ProPage v2.0
>	to v3.0 is $75.00 right?
>
>	What about ProDraw v2.0 -> v3.0??? I have received nothing
>	on ProDraw v3.0 from GD yet.

The upgrade cost to go from ProPage v2.0 to v3.0 is now $49.95 U.S. ($57.95 Can)
according to the upgrade notice for ProDraw 3.0 (odd that GD would lower it).
The ProDraw 2.0->3.0 upgrade is $45.00 U.S. ($52.95 Can).

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From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.audio,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Deluxe Music Construction Set - Upgrade??
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:46:35 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.applications

Harri Pesonen writes:

>I just bought CU Amiga july issue, and with it came OctaMed Professional v3.0.
>OctaMed has everything you will ever need.  Musical notation is not as good
>as in DMCS, but you can't create any effects (slide, fade, tremolo etc.) 
>with it.  So you should consider learning to use note tracks, as they are
>more flexible.

The problem is that, if your ultimate purpose is not music performance BY
the computer, this isn't an improvement.  Almost everything I write is vocal
w/accompaniment; humans need sheet music.  The only acceptable compromise
I've found is to use DMCS to edit and play the music, and then export it to
Copyist to produce the paper output.  DMCS makes a zillion simplifying
assumptions which simply aren't true of a lot of the music I work with;
Copyist deals with them at the expense of not being able to play; also, it
has a rotten user interface and the importing process doesn't handle the
output of DCMS correctly in all cases (which may well be a function of the
latter).  DMCS doesn't produce sufficiently good paper output for human use.

Every other program I've seen is worse; they are all, at best, sequencers
with some notational frosting on top.  From my perspective, they have all
the drawbacks of DMCS and more.

I've come to the point where it seems I shall have to develop my own
package, unless an improved DMCS appears which does what is needed.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Virtual Memory for the Amiga?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:42:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.224229.26193@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Jul26.191201.26801@wam.umd.edu> walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann) writes:
>>Where, pray tell, can it be found?  Is it commercial or freely
>>distributable?  From what you describe, it may just be a functional
>>solution.  More info, please!!
>
>It's commercial, we just ran a test with a 2Gig Harddisk on A3000
>and A2500/30 machines. Markus Illenseer will post a summary this
>week.

   Rumors about this German-written virtual memory system have been filtering
around the net for over a year, but nothing solid ever seems to come about 
from it.  For all the rumors and good reports from German Amiga users, the
thing remains totally vaporware for anybody outside of Europe.  If this thing
really does exist and works as advertized, why doesn't the company at least
develop a crippleware demo of the vmem system that can be freely distributed,
as proof that it really exists?  Until the company behind this product does
something to show that this thing is not vaporware, I will remain solidly
skeptical.

>Regards,
>-- 
>Michael van Elst
>UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
>Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: arensb@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Andrew Arensburger - RMS)
Subject: Re: LaTeX question: the 1-inch offset
Keywords: LaTeX,TeX,PasTeX
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:39:28 GMT

jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes:
>E.LADNER1 [Eric]             at 20:07 EDT
>  It seems like you can't override the margins set up by the \documentstyle
>command.  I have tryed everything to get it to change but it always shoves it
>down and over by about an inch (even in the  ShowDVI program, with the margin
>lines on, it don't match).

	I believe that this is TeX's fault, and not LaTeX's: by default,
TeX puts the margin 1 inch from the left and 1 inch from the top of the
page, under the assumption that this makes a nice margin.
	Unfortunately, my TeXbook isn't handy, but I think you need to
do something like  \hoffset=0in \voffset=0in .

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