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From: wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare)
Subject: Superman Revival Methods
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:30:49 GMT

Obviously I have too much free time but:

     1) He's not really dead.  In the issue where he reveals his identity
to Lois, it is established that a normal can't feel his pulse.  He colapses
after being attacked by the Banshee (not the Marvel one) and Lois thinks
he (as Clark) is dead because she can't find a pulse.  Counter-argument:
Bloodwynd claims to have scanned him with his powers.  Counter-counter-
argument, maybe Superman's forcefield negates said powers.

     2) He's dead, but he isn't really DEAD.  Maybe Kryptonians can't be
killed permanently under a yellow sun.  Counter-argument:  I'd cancel my
subscription if it turned out this way.

     3) He's really dead, but somebody revives him.  Like that imp guy.  If
he can rework reality all over Metropolis (the world?) to suit his 5th 
dimensional sense of humor, then you better bet he could reanimate a dead
body.  Counter-argument:  mind-boggling metaphysical and religious questions.
Counter-counter-argument:  I love imp appearences.  Bring on the imp.

     4) He's really dead, but someone can make a clone.  Counter-argument:
aren't they canceling LSH for just this sort of silliness?

     5) He's really dead, but somebody replaces him, at least until 1-4
takes place in a later issue.  My guess is that Booster Gold is going to be
turned into a genuine metahuman or get a green lantern ring.  That suit of
his looks irreparable.  Maybe he'll decide to be grim and grittier new
Superman.  Counter-argument:  I'd really like that black kid that Superman
keeps saving to turn out to have metagene powers.  I want them to bring
back Superboy.  What not a black Superboy?  I'd buy it.

    6) He's really dead, but someone will monkey with the time stream.
Waverider can raise the dead this way.  Counter-argument:  Please, no more
alternate time-line stories.  Please.  Please.  Please

    7) He's really dead, but DC will start publishing "untold stories" that
happened in the time before he died.  Counter-argument:  Actually, this would
be pretty cool.  Hence, it won't happen.

    8) He's really dead, but DC will follow his adventures in the afterlife.
Counter-argument:  Hey, Neil, when's the next Miracleman going to get here
already?

    9) He's really dead, but it turns out to have just been a dream, so he is
not really dead.  Counter-argument:  I don't want to go to prison for murdering
the entire DC editorial staff with a rusty nail.

   10) He's really dead, but Krypto comes back.  Counter-argument:  This makes
no sense, but I want them to bring back Krypto!  Make him a Star Labs
experiment.   Make him a Durlan trapped in dog shape.  Anything.  A super man
needs a super dog.


pant

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From: c60b-3fe@e260-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods The good parts version
Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:00:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <By1KCy.3qp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>He's not dead.
>He's just MOSTLY dead.
>I've seen worse.

So what are you saying?  He can only be revived for a noble cause? :)

Mikel B.
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From: jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (James D. Zelenka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman funeral on SNL 11/21/92
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:12:14 GMT
	<lgvjcuINN2n2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

As I recall, when "Breakdowns" was running in JL*, SNL did a spoof of a
Justice League meeting where they all just sat around and argued...

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:45:26 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Peter David sinks to new depths

OK PAD, you knew the Net would find out eventually...
In 1993, DC comics will revive Aquaman (once again), only it will now be
written by none other than our very own PETER DAVID!!!
I am personally very excited (you'd never know it) about this info.
I suppose it is a very logical move for David considering his affinity for the
undersea frontier as evidenced by his short-lived Atlantis Chronicles for DC an
d his short-lived Little Mermaid for Disney.  He even named his daughter Ariel
after the Little Mermaid for crying out loud! Let's all wish Peter lots of luck
with his 4th (!!!) monthly title and hope it is not as short-lived (okay,okay,
they were limited series to begin with) as his previous aquamarine forays.
(Geez, too bad DC didn't have as surefire a  success with their revival o
Supes as they do with Aquaman!)
                                        -----Eric Sansoni

Peter Venkman: You've been running your ass off meeting and greeting every
               schizo in the 5 boroughs who says he had a paranormal
               experience; what have you seen?
Ray Stantz   : Of course you forget, Peter, I was present at an undersea,
               unexplained mass sponge migration.
Peter Venkman: Aw, Ray, the sponges migrated about a foot-and-a-half.
From Ghostbusters
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From: rschwabe@brahms.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe)
Subject: Do I hate Image? (just wanted a new post that's all)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:50:38 GMT

This is going to be short and sweet because it is 1:30 in the morning and I 
have to get to bed soon.  But I have to mention something that was said in
the "Everyone hates Image" thread.  Someone said (and I apologize for 
paraphrasing) "People should not expect a book to be great in its first 
couple of issues."  This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.  A book
has to be great in its first couple of issues because when a book is  
essentially sold (or a concept is sold) to a board of directors they give
an essential plot for the first few issues and it is decided whether it 
is put out or not by those issues.  
	The first couple of issues should be easy and fun for the readers or
at the very least have a good deal of stuff on the horizon.  The introduction
of characters is a key concept if the writers cannot convince us that these
characters have a reason for joining or being interlocked in some way then that
is bad writing.  Look at Brigade  #1, there is no flow, no energy, and even a 
blind man could decipher the upcoming plot lines.           
	Now I admit that independants should be given a break because Image 
probably doesn't have a board of trustees.  Here's an example of how this  
containment is shown, if you look at Hawk and Dove, Checkmate, Manhunter,
and a couple of other DC titles that are new, you see that the first 
twelve issues almost seem to be totally contained, and that the wishes
of the fans do not really get answered until the mid teens.  This is because
the first 12 issues are a sort of trial period where the writers have sold
the Editors on the concept and they have to see if the readers like it.  
	Now back to Image, lets review what they have done in their early     
issues.

Youngblood: What a waste of paper.  No unity, no reason for these people to
work together and no drive for a common goal.  CRAP but I expect that 
from Liefield

Spawn:  A very nice, contained first couple of issues that are drawn 
beautifully.  McFarlane (Hey I like the guy) really knows how to keep it
simple and concise.  We are introduced to the characters and we learn what
makes them tick.

Savage Dragon: Didn't Read

Shadowhawk: Didn't read.

WildCATS: Now I do like this book, but Jim Lee has thrown this together
in the hopes that we will buy it.  Everything moves too quickly, there are
too many angles and sides.  You really need a scorecard and a synopsis 
every five pages or so.  What is shown though, is the characters and what
makes them tick especially Void, Grifter, Zealot, and Lord Emp (you know   
the small Oberon rip off).  Lee's characterization is the only thing that
keeps me on the book.

CyberForce: Nice Art.  That's it.  if you want to know what else is wrong with 
the book, see the two above.

Briagde: Youngblood only worse.

Just My Very Honest Opinion.

Robert J. Schwabe
"The Fab Five Freddy that makes you sweaty!"
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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: DC: Superman's death coverage
Organization: The Little Squids of the Dead
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:50:36 GMT

In article <Qf3DvHG00Vp5Ig9FN_@andrew.cmu.edu> Jason Lee Smith <js06+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>What, never?
>
>Well, hardly ever.
>
>
>Actually the cheesiest thing I've seen is the "Death Of Superman"
>trading cards which are being released under the slogan "Where were you
>when Superman died?"

Where was I? Standing around a comic shop waiting for a delayed shipment
of the damned comic book.

----------------------------
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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  of that. It's not often I meet a gentleman
  "When in doubt, twirl."  |  peanut like yourself on a night like this."
 Ted Shawn, choreographer  |                  _Mr Peanut and Black Annis_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:17:57 EST

In article <1992Nov20.182047.15857@decabo.abo.dec.com>
wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) writes:
 
>
>
>There has also been an adaptation of "A Boy and his Dog" and related shorts,
>published as _Vic and Blood_, if I remember correctly. I've got a copy
>at home; I'll get more info on it if anyone wants.
>--
 
   Since I do have my copy of it with me (the wonders of modem...), I'll
list the credits:
 
   _Vic and Blood: The Chronicles of a Boy and His Dog_
      contains adaptations of three stories "Eggsucker", "A Boy and His Dog",
and "Run Spot Run"; 2 issues (No.1 published in 1987; No.2 in 1988) published
by Mad Dog Graphics.  Art by Richard Corben.
 
   Also, from a previous post, _Night and the Enemy_ graphic novel was
mentionned.  This book contains adaptations of all 5 Earth-Kyben War stories
plus framing material.  Published in 1987 by Comico (Limited hardcover by
Graphitti Designs)  Art by Ken Steacy.
 
************************************************************************
   "INSANITY IS A VIRTUALLY IMPREGNABLE GAMBIT...
BUT YOU HAVE TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK EARLY IN THE GAME..."
 
    JUNSOK YANG (YANJUNA@YALEVM.YCC.EDU)
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kllove@wildcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love)
Subject: Re: Doomsday - Despero's long-lost brother?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:58:09 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:

>Has anyone else noticed this?  Except for their complexions (and Despero's 
>forehead-fin), they could be the same guy.  Even their battles with the
>JLA seem similar.  Neither had any difficulty taking out Wally West.  
>Etc., etc.
>So maybe Manga Khan shaved his fin, painted him gray and threw him back?
>Or maybe:
>   "Well, then, who do we get to kill Superman?  It'd have to be somebody   
>big and strong---hey, how about that character from _Breakdowns_?"

>Doomsday isn't the Hulk and he isn't Lobo.  He's Despero with a name change.

Hardly.  Those bones were part of Doomsday's skeletal structure.  The mind
was filled with hate and destruction (see Dubilex's mindscan in Superman #75).
However, it was not directed at the JLI (A, E, whatever).  Despero was able
to speak (though not well); Doomsday grunted.

So unless you forgot the liberal additions of smileys, you are wrong!
(I don't say this often or lightly either!  You would be the first person
in almost a year.)

Sorry everybody, I'm taking all of these negative comments about DC *WAY*
too seriously... It seems to be all that I see however!

                                                  Sincerely,
                                                  Kenneth Love
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro)
Subject: Book Sale Thurs, Fri
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:51:47 GMT

     Hey, y'all. Just a reminder that there's a book sale at the OSU main 
Library on Neil Ave. on Thurs, Nov 19 from 8:30 to 6:30 and Friday Nov. 20 from
8:30-4:30.  They WILL BE SELLING COMICS!  Now, I don't know what kind or 
condition, but if it's anything like the book sales at my hometown library back
east, there will be lots and lots of 70s and 80s fodder for a quarter a piece 
or so.  Should be amusing if nothing else.

               kristoff

ps. see y'all at Discount at about 3 for Superman 75!!!>:-]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:51:46 GMT


By closing time, one of the local shops was apparently charging
$25 for the Supes death issue.  This was on Thursday, the same
day the book hit the shelves.  I'd love to see a mob of angry
parents descend on the place, demanding refunds for all the
little would-be speculators who are taken in by such nonsense.

Tom
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:36:48 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

Are you all sitting down?
	On Saturday, in Portsmouth at a comic shop, I saw a hand-made sign
which read: "Only a few copies left! Get Superman #75 - The Death Issue -
before it's GONE! Only $7.50!!!"

If I only had my .357 with me ....
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman Trivia
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:49:26
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM's message of 19 Nov 92 16:23:48 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Nov 92 16:23:48 GMT, warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) said:

warriors> How many villians (total) did Superman kill.

warriors> You'll be shocked by the answer

Four?
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doomsday: I've been wondering
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:43:24
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 12:26:15 EST

kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
|In article <uplink.721704249@cwis>, uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (uplink) writes:
|> 	Because if they did that, then DD couldn't kill
|> Supes, could he?  I always thought the easiest way to 
|> deal with DD would have been for someone with telekinetic
|> powers to lift DD up by one of his feet (worst position
|> for leverage) and then take him into space and see how he likes
|> going into orbit around Jupiter.  But then, someone would
|> have had to use their brain to defeat Doomsday, and that's
|> not what the writers apparently want.
|> 
|> 	And Guy Gardner was defeated when Doomsday grabbed him
|> out of the air and slammed him into various objects like a
|> rag doll.  He was knocked unconscious and had several bruises
|> on his face.
|> 
|> 	Mark my words, this whole "death of Superman" thing
|> will be a debacle for DC.
|  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|Yes, somehow this whole thing reminds me of the "New Coke formula" fiasco. I
|wonder if they'll come up with a "New Superman formula" and then eventually
|bring back "Classic Superman".

Actually, isn't that exactly what has happened?  The "Classic" Supes
in this case was the ubermensch pre-Crisis Superman and the "New"
Supes is the dull-witted post-Crisis Superman.

We kill off the current version and bring back something much closer
to the pre-Crisis Supes.

--
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:40:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.013219.28499@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>Twilight Zone #1 of the Now series
>He plotted Avengers #88 and Hulk #140, which were scripted by Roy Thomas.
>...also plotted Avengers #101, and co-plotted a couple of issues of Daredevil
>(208-9) with Art Cover. He wrote the story for Detective #567, a very funny
>story about the worst night in Batman's life.

Well, hardly the *worst* night.  You might consider a certain night when his
parents took him to see ZORRO as a better candidate, for example. . .  But
a very frustrating night.


>Other miscellaneous comics work includes the graphic novel adaptation of
>his 50s Earth-Kyba War stories by him and Ken Steacy (Night and the Enemy),
>The Chocolate Alphabet comic adaptation by Larry Todd . . .
>Rockgod was done by him and Neal Adams
>The Illustrated Harlan Ellison contains some comic adaptations of his work
>He also wrote a page or three of ... X-Men Heroes For Hope ...

Ummm. . .  You've missed at least two Harlan comix.

There was the adaptation of his Outer Limits episode DEMON WITH THE GLASS
HAND, which appeared as a Marvel GN about five years back,

and there was a "dial-H-for-Hero" comic with a Harlan-designed hero in it.

The latter I know nothing about except that it exists, and that only because
at an autograph party he did at THE OTHER CHANGE OF HOBBIT (mumble) years
ago, Dave Nee (co-proprietor of that fine store) came in with a copy he'd
just purchased down the road at COMICS & COMIX (the second best comic shop
in Berkeley).  Harlan stopped autographing books for about five minutes,
jumped up and down shouting "it's out!  My comic book is out!" and read it
aloud.

(This was the same autograph party at which he threatened Andi Schechter and
my wife -- who were holding a private conversation in the background --with
a ballpoint pen, saying "if you don't keep it down, I'll stab you with this
spoon."  They looked at it, and at him, and he looked at it, and at them,
and sat down, and quietly autographed the next several books...until someone
offered him a copy of DOOMSMAN...)

			"You realize, pally, that your gun is
			likely *plugged* with tar an' won't
			fire proper."
				"A logical theory, old friend....step
				closer so that we may experiment."


Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
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From: j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Slaine McGroth/Slaine the Horned God 
Reply-To: j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:27:19 GMT

	Thanx Mike. I thought Slaine the Horned God had three
books/volumes. I also wasn't sure but I thought Bisley did the art.
(It's been a year and a half since I've read the Heavy Metal that had
Slaine in it). If you have any thing else for me please e-mail me.

j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu

							Thanx again,
								Jesse
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: Golden Age Huntress (was Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:02:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Winfield Eng (we@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu) writes:

>I remember reading a villianess named the Huntress
>that wore a yellowish tiger-like outfit.  Is that the same character?
>I believe that she was married to the villian Sportsmaster and later
>became a herione.  Can someone fill me in on this?

The original Huntress was married to the Sportsman, and was a foe of the
Golden Age Starman and Black Canary.  In the Young All-Stars series, we
find that, when she was younger, the Huntress was called the Tigress, and
was a member of the Young All-Star (the junior branch of the All-Star
Squadron).  During a battle with Axis Amerika, she was killed (by falling off
a building onto a broken billboard, I think), and the AA-member called the
Valkyrie (a real one) brought her back to life, as an evil character, at
which point she changed her name to be the Huntress.

I seem to recall she lusted after Iron Munro.

------------------------------
                             |     We guided the guy dressed as a nun up Dore
Jim Drew                     | Alley, to see the dead guy dressed as a nun.
jrd@frame.com                |     "Oh, this isn't one of *us,*" he said, and
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | started patting down the dead nun's habit, until
"Innocent, but not naive."   | he found a silver flask of alcohol.
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "We're the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | This used to be one of the Sisters of Perpetual
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Inebriation.  They're down at the other end of
                             | the fair.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman Trivia
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:23:48 GMT
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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How many villians (total) did Superman kill.

You'll be shocked by the answer
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