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From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Organization: Ironpig Arcadia, Coventry, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:05:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.182519.4982@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu) writes:
>In article <zggqbgzn@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:
>>If by the extra violence you mean the scene where Pris sticks her fingers up
>>Deckard's nose and tries to wrench it off (Ford's idea at the time), then I'm
>>sorry, but we don't get that scene here in Britain, either.
>>
>>From what I can gather, the British version is the same as the American version.
>
>I feel kinda sorry for you Brits then.  I think the Aussies have the original
>American version too.
>
>Anyhow, yes the fingers in Deckard's nose is one shot that was deleted.  The
>other two were shots of Roy's thumbs plunging into Tyrell's eye sockets and
>blood flowing out, and a shot of the nail puncturing through the top of Roy's
>hand.  All three shots totalled less than seventeen (or fifteen?) seconds so
>one didn't miss that much.  However for the purist, I guess it's a little
>different.

Jesus, you mean the Americans never got those scenes. I take it all back, we
DO get the International/European version. I can't see how the film could
exist without just those simple cuts.

-- 
        	 **Ridley McIntyre - Ronin Ironpig**			
		     gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk
		 -----------------------------------
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From: wcr@unislc.uucp (William Rankin)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut Question -- Possible Spoiler
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:50:24 GMT

From article <1992Sep14.222203.15954@news.columbia.edu>, by egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy):
> In article <4952@rosie.NeXT.COM> rwalton@tehmi.next.com (Robert Walton) writes:
>>
>>Someone else asked what this scene is (or scenes are) in a previous post,  
>>but I haven't seen a reply, so could someone "in the know" post the  
>>answer?  What is (are) the unicorn scene(s)??!!  I saw one posting  
>>referring to a deleted dream sequence, but not to unicorns, so I have no  
>>idea if the two are related...
>>
>>For all of us scratching our heads, thanks in advance,
> 

Saw it last night!
SPOILERS BELOW















> 
> The Unicorn scene, which is included in this cut, is a dream sequence
> Dekard has when he's at the piano.  The unicorn is connected to the
> origami unicorn that Gaff leaves at his door at the end of the film.
> It is supposed to indicate that the dream Dekard has is actually an
> implant.  Dekard is then a replicant (this arguably clinching proof;
          ^and Gaff knows it!
> there are other textual clues, such as the glowing eyes; the profusion
> of photographs he has, just like Leon; Rachel asking him if _he's_
> taken the V-K test, etc.)

Boy, I'm glad someone else saw his eyes glow. I was beginning to think
I was the only one. In the scene where Deckard is washing the blood
from his face in the bathroom, Rachael walks up and they have a 
conversation about her being a replicant. This is just before she
asks him if he ever took the test. She is facing the camera and
Deckard walks out of the bath and around behind her, in the dark and
also facing the camera. Focus on her face, her eyes glow. In the
background and out of focus, just barely visable are Deckards eyes,
also glowing. I don't think this would ever show up on video.
I'm convinced. But I wonder why deckard doesn't posses the strength 
of the other replicants (he would have used it in the fight with Roy)

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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Holden's Eyes (Blade Runner)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:54:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

>Sender: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
>In-Reply-To: dododge@wam.umd.edu's message of 13 Sep 92 07:59:45 GMT

>Hate to spoil a thread here, but if replicant eyes glowed and
>human eyes didn't, what do you need the Voight-Kampf test for?

For that matter if they had pictures of all the replicants (Like Dekard
was shown in the beginning) what use was the Voight-Kampf test??? 

Greg Bole                                         "Well ya killed the hell 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                       outa that fellow today."
                                                Clint Eastwood in _Unforgiven
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: bob roberts
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:25:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.1414.31737@execnet> "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com> writes:
>Just saw _Bob_Roberts_  -- I must say, I liked it, but I didn't enjoy it.
>
>It can be painful for a nation to have a mirror held up to itself in that 
>manner.  I can see, though, why it was so well received at Cannes... most 
>Europeans already see Americans that way, it just reinforced their image 
>of us.
>
Do you suppose this is the reason for the tremendous economic success of
Europe as compared to the US -- this single-minded uniformity of opinion
that all Europeans apparently have?

GMS
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Keywords: blade runner ridley scott director cut film
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:07:03 GMT

In article <1936m0INNhgd@corax.udac.uu.se> magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar) writes:
>I can't hold it back any more...
>I have seen the film but I can't remember...
>
>WHO IS HOLDEN??

Holden is a Blade Runner -- he's the one who gets shot by Leon in the
first scene.
                                           -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: TFS
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:35:08 GMT

quenelle@netcom.com (Chris Quenelle) writes:
>It bums me out when I hear generalizations like 'there's too much sex
>in movies these days'.
>
>Here's what I think:
>
>-- In most movies with explicit sex scenes, the sex is gratuitous.
>   I wish these scenes would be left out.
>
>-- I wish there were more *significant* sex scenes in most movies,
>   because I think it would help bring about a more mature attitude
>   on the part of the general public.

My personal prediction is that the boundary between "normal" movies
and XXX-rated porn movies will be erased within the next twenty years.

This will happen concordant with the repudiation of everyone attaching
themselves righteously with the Republican party now.

Yea for the new world.
-ecsd

.sig == "
I am already internationally famous.
I am just waiting for it to pay off.
"
(thank you)
From: Laurie Mann
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Character studies (was Re: howard's end...GYUCK!)
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:20:15 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

Jyrki J Wahlstedt writes
>In article <1992Sep9.92410.16926@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)  
writes:
>> rcbi27@marshall.wvnet.edu (DBRUM) writes:
>> >Just saw HOWARD'S END. Gyuck! Drivel. Nothing to it. Beautifully filmed
>> >outline for a movie, but no real movie. I can't believe it got ****!
>> Don't believe this for a second. A very nice piece of work. It bops
>> right along and manages a very complicated plot without pausing for
>> breath. Very fine acting, particularly Vanessa Redgrave in a minor
>> role. 
>  Well!!! Better just have a look at it yourself. I saw it and I did
>  NOT like it! The characters were not credible, their actions (some
>  of them) were not credible AND I abhor movies with slow motion.

Jim and I just paid to see Howards End for a second time, and 
liked it even more more the second time than we had the first.

Howards End is a superb character study.  Getting into a character's
skin, without benefit of "action" can be a rewarding experience.
The second time around, I appreciated the Leonard Bast subplot
much more.

Most of the movie is told from Meg's viewpoint.  Meg is simultaneously
cautious about her emotional life but embraces intellectual pursuits
vigorously.  Her sister Helen, on the other hand, leaps from one
emotional minefild into another.  Their story, told in counterpoint
to the almost ethereal presence of Mrs. Wilcox works very well.

Howards End is doing quite well in the "art" houses.  It's been in
one nearby for over six weeks, something almost unheard of.  With
luck, it will get a number of Oscar nominations.  American movies
have really lacked quality this year.

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**********    Member of the cultural elite and PROUD!  **********
From: jlkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Justin Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Does anyone know the name of this Japanese movie?
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:58:48 GMT

In article <18jqr6INN5so@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bbm@po.CWRU.Edu (Brian B. Mathewson) writes:
> 
> I while ago I saw an interesting and amusing movie on Bravo, the cable
> network channel.  I'd like to know the name of the movie, because for
> some reason I couldn't find out the name before.
> 
> The movie was in Japanese with English subtitles, was fairly up-to-date
> and in color.  The storyline was about a young woman learning how to
> run a soup stand (which are evidently popular in Japan) from an old,
> wise man.  The situations were very modern, and some of the scenes
> were simply hilarious.  The only recent Japanese movie I've ever seen
> was Ran, so I was happy to see a more light-hearted Japanese film.
> 

 
        Your movie description sounds a lot like the movie "Tampopo"
by director Juzo Itami.  Tampopo is about a youngish widow who
convinces two truckers to help her turn her ramen (noodle) shop into
a "real" ramen stand.  The truckers enlist the aid of several people
including an old man who is the culinary sensei to a band of bums,
the chauffeur of an old rich gourmet who has a special noodle
recipe, and a yakuza (gangster).  The movie is interspersed with
several small vignettes having little or nothing to do with the rest
of the movie.
 
	If you liked Tampopo, you also might like to look for some
of Itami's other movies.  I would especially recommend Marusa Onna
(A Taxing Woman) 1&2.  
 
	Although this comparison has probably become negative instad
of positive  in recent times, Itami has been called the Woody Allen
of Japan.  His movies are generally *very* funny.  Besides the wit
of his movies, Itami is married to his leading lady (who appears in
all or most of his movies).

Justin 
-- 
------->Justin Kim
---------->jlkim@ucsd.edu
------------->Graduate School of International Relations/
---------------->Pacific Studies-University of California, San Diego
From: Eduard.Marghidan@f836.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Eduard Marghidan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (Malcolm X)
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcws.716389680.F00001


 -=> Quoting Mike Haskell to All <=-

 MH> We have the fortunate distinction of 20-20 hindsight on history.  I
 MH> think it is extremely presumptious (sp?) that we would "do the right
 MH> thing" in Columbus' time.  I would never envision myself as a "slaver"
 MH> but who knows in those times.  Yes, yes, it is still wrong.  I also
 MH> don't hold Malcolm X in contempt for his early beliefs either.  I
 MH> do question Spite Lee's intention in his films.  He should know
 MH> better.  If he personifies Malcolm X as an extension of his own
 MH> being, he will do a great disservice to Malcolm X, his family, and
 MH> history.  As for Columbus, the disease that was brought forward to
 MH> this continent was the real killer in my view.  There is no possible
 MH> way the european man could settle in the western hemisphere had
 MH> the indian populace not been decimated by disease that was 
 MH> unknown in this hemisphere at the time.  If you read some of the 
 MH> first hand accounts of the human sacrifices of the "civilized"
 MH> indians that Cortez met, in the original spanish, AND knowing 
 MH> the religious zealotry of the times, it is conceivable of the 
 MH> outcome as it happened.   Our vision of history is illusive at
 MH> best, but it is all we have.  To say that the indian account is
 MH> more correct than the european account is equally flawed.  

Why do you say that Malcolm X can't be a modern "extension" or metaphor
of fighter for human rights? Are we so cut off from the past that
nothing in the past is relevant? Perhaps you should consider the
possibility of NOT knowing about the past as a road towards a new
civilization?
So what if indians had sacrifices? They had never fought wars. They had
never used fire weapons. Of course, the disease destroyed them...
I found your message interesting, but somewhat sketchy. I'd like to hear
more about your thoughts on these issues.
Eduard

eduard@mcws.fidonet.org

... It is a rather pleasant experience to be alone in a bank at night.

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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: A movie version of Les Mis???
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:44:03 GMT

andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek) writes:
>> Has anyone heard anything about a movie version to be made of Les  
>Miserables?


>There's a movie version from the fifties starring Michael Rennie that's  
>quite nice. It's not a musical, thank goodness...

	And there was one from the 70's, not a musical either.
	I think that there are several about (possibly 5 or 6), but you
	would have to look for them.


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	id <ic61291@pro-amber.cts.com>; Sat, 12 Sep 92 17: 01 PDT
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Who killed Bruce Lee?
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:39:09 PDT

In <BD.92Sep12111030@fluent.UUCP>
bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:

>le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025)) writes:
>
>>I remember reading in the LA times, buryed in the first section, that
>>he had died after begin admitted to a hospital with a knife wound in
>>his side.  It was somewhat mysterious since he was conscious when he
>>arrived and named no assailant.  This allergic reaction story is new
>>to me.  I'm no Bruce Lee or marshall arts movie fan at all, so I never
>>followed this up closely.  But I do remember reading it.
>
>One of us is confused, and I think it's you (it _might_ be me).
>
>I have never heard of any wound being involved in Bruce Lee's death.

There never was a wound of any sort. Mr Lee was with Nora Miao when he had an
unfavorable reaction to some sort of medication that he was taking for a back
injury. He died on the way too the hospital.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.sex
From: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (Manu)
Subject: Re: Sex and Fun
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:45:02 GMT

In article <kehWqYG00WAvE7klRR@andrew.cmu.edu> Rebecca Ann Stallings <rs87+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>> Agreed!  Like, for example, a *well-done* scene about someone's first
>>> time: Perhaps for the virgin it's not so great eh?, or embarrassing,
>>> or just plain funny??
>	I think the most realistic loss-of-virginity scene I've seen is in
>_Mermaids_.  It's not too explicit, but you can tell what's happening,
>particularly because the sound Charlotte (Winona Ryder) makes is just
>exactly right for the moment of penetration, when it hurts but also
>feels sort of good.  Then she looks into the camera, wide-eyed, and says
>in voice-over, "This is really happening to me.  This is real." 
>Afterward things are awkward, there's not much talking, and then she
>notices the major crisis of the movie, and the sex scene is completely
>forgotten for a while.  I thought that was fairly true to life.
>		---'Becca at Carnegie Mellon

	Maybe I'm an exception here, but the first time for my girlfriend
(and me as well) didn't happpen like the above scene.  According to her
it hurt some but felt really good.  But after we weren't silent about it 
at all - we could believe that we did it, but we just kept talking and 
talking about it, until we did it again.  Maybe I'm just lucky?

	Manu
-- 
Email: gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu            

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  Arabs"     -Sir John Bagot Glubb
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Summary: the deluge of posts begins...
Originator: dododge@rac3.wam.umd.edu
Keywords: blade runner ridley scott director cut film
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 10:06:16 GMT

For any followups please trim the cross-posting appropriately...

Well, I saw it. Random comments:

The print looked great compared to the re-release I saw last year.

For those who are wondering what the major changes are:

- No voiceovers by Deckard ***ABSOLUTELY NONE***
- The unicorn-coming-out-of-woods scene is now in the film
- Movie ends when elevator door closes

That's about it, really. The film does NOT contain the extra bits of
violence that are on the standard video release, so it appears to have
as its base the original US film version.

All of the original flaws like the 6-vs-5 replicant problem are still
there. Still no lip-sync in the Abdul Ben Hassan conversation. The
scrolling text at the beginning is still there.

The sound editing where the voiceovers were taken out isn't always
perfect. Especially the first one when Deckard is reading the newspaper.
Some of the later edits are very smooth.

Overall I liked it. It definitely has a different "feel" to it without
the voiceovers. It reminded me of "Light Sleeper" a bit. The idea
that Deckard is a replicant is much stronger in this version. I really
liked the ending this way -- keeps the mood of the film consistent.

-----

And here's something to chew on: ** I saw Holden's eyes glow **

It's right after he asks Leon about the tortise -- he says "In answer to
your query, they're written down for me. It's a test designed to provoke
an emotional response". At this point the camera cuts to a shot of
Holden smoking and his eyes are glowing. He then says "Shall we continue"
and the glow disappears.

Please someone else tell me if they saw this. It's virtually impossible
to see on video, but it was very noticable on film (just like Leon's
eyes in the same scene)

                                         -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
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From: msl@hpcvlx (Mark Laventhal )
Subject: Re: Altman
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:54:56 GMT

Jonathan B. Horen (horen@rs.com) wrote:
> In article 1928meINNd0e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:
> >
> >Robert Chao writes:
> >
> >>I have heard that Robert Altman is considered a god, almost. Is this
> >>because MASH was revolutionary in its style? Is it because of other
> >>achievements, like Nashville and McCabe and Mrs. Miller?
> >
> >It's because of _Popeye_.... :)
> 
> I'll vote for his "Wedding" (also Lily Tomlin's screen debut)

Actually, Lily Tomlin's screen debut was in "Nashville", which was the picture
Altman made BEFORE "A Wedding".  
(And she was nominated for Best Supporting Actress for "Nashville".)

Mark Laventhal
msl@cv.hp.com

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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: FREDDY AS FRO7
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.031412.10965@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:
>Just what was this movie? I missed it. Intriguing title.
>Please respond.
>
It was a stupid, poorly thoughtout cartoon. It was so bad, my daughter and I
left after one hour and I forgot that I saw it until I read the post.

Dont bother watching it, renting it, reading about it, IT SUCKS
>--
>You are a true believer. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses.
>Thou art a subject of the divine, created in the image of man by the masses,
>for the masses. Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work 
>hard...increase production...prevent accidents...and be happy. (THX-1138)
>


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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:35:31 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Sep10.122248.17646@pbs.org> eyeater@pbs.org writes:
>
>	His name, as I recall, was Nigel Terry, but I haven't the slightest 
>  idea what he's done since.
>

Nigel Terry plays the father (Sir Thomas Grey ?) in the new series
Covington Cross. I also saw his face sneak in during the previews
of the movie Christopher Columbus.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: 007 Quiz!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

"Stirred, not shakened" or "Shakened, not stirred"... Whatever; however,
for 007 movie fans.. See how many you can get. Answers tomorrow on
the net. Point value in () following each question. Just for fun....

		   007 Quiz!!!

1. What is M's job (2); his secretary's name (2)?

2. What is Q's job (2); his name and rank (5)?

3. List the James Bond movies; (1) for each up to 10; (2) for each additional.

4. Name the make/model of 007's pistol (2) and the one it replaced (3).

5. Name the three model/cars 007 used; (2) each.

6. What is "SMERSH" (1) and name the two heads/leaders it has had; (2) each.

7. What does "SPECTRE" stand for (3)? Who is it's Number 1/leader (3)?

8. The name of the local sheriff (3) who appears in two 007 movies?

9. Name the two 007 movies (6) where a character in one whistles the theme
   from another ?

10. Name the only actress (2) to have a leading role in two 007 movies;
    name the two characters she plays (5).

11. Name the only 007 movie (5) where "Q" DOES NOT appear.

12. Name the only 007 movie (3) whose theme song won an Academy Award.


Maximum score is 80 points.... 65 is very good; 70 is excellent and
if you get 80; you're an expert,.