Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 02:29:24 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
	<1992Oct6.233620.15781@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>

Howdy,

car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> > Get a grip Chuck.
> Live to Flame, Andy.

It's Mark, but whatever.

> What comes as a shock is your sudden reversal.  A paragraph ago,
> you claimed you read all the meaningless noise in all the MC 
> magazines because you can't get enough, but now you're claiming 
> rec.moto provides too much, and you need a subgroup to do your 
> filtering for you.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough (your quotes certainly make it seem that
way :-).  I "filter" magazines as well.  I read everything of prime
interest first, then later in the week read the ride descriptions (or
whatever) and end up reading the ads when I'm really into withdrawl
(sometimes I re-read articles as well at this point :-).  I'd like
something that had (nearly) solely tech stuff for the same reasons
that prompt the way I read mags.  It's just that rec.mc has more
posted in one day than an entire mc mag does for a month.  I find it
very difficult to sort through it all.
> Subgroups are much less effective at CRAP-control and topic-focusing
> than lists: witness the continued presence of HD material
> in this group and the continued presence of CRAP (native-mode
> and otherwise) in r.m.h.
> Ergo, r.m.t will split off *some* of the expertise and *some* of the
> CRAP.  The rest of the expertise will remain in rec.moto, along
> with the inevitable CRAP.  With a smaller expertise pool available
> in either forum, you'll have to cross-post and read everything in
> both groups to get the *same* expertise coverage you already enjoy.  
> Some won't be motivated to provide the usual e-mail response to the 
> frequently asked technical questions, because they'll assume someone 
> over in r.m.t is handling it, and many won't read r.m.t at all because 
> it will be boring, boring, boring, and they'll apply their limited 
> Netnews processing resources to the more interesting and diverse group.  
> Of course, nobody but Net.chekists will hew to the letter of the
> the law where Netiquette is concerned: folks *already* don't do that,
> as our friend who instigated this fiasco has pointed out, so what in
> Bob's name leads anyone to believe that they'll suddenly change and
> start being good little Net.doobies just because yet another rec.moto
> appears?
> I've been watching all this happen in r.m.h.

Now, you can't only choose the bad examples.  .dirt and .racing stay
fairly close to their intended focus, especially .dirt.  Each
newsgroup seems succesful and the snr ratio is pretty good IMHO.

> However, your belief that it will in the face of rather obvious and
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> 
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:-)  Whatever.  Maybe you're right.  I'm not 100% sure by far.  I'd
vote for rec.mc.tech if it came up however.

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
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