From: theodore-michael@yale.edu (Michael Theodore)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: What's the relevance of ....?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 13:51:33 -0500
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In article <s1070619.721617105@giaeb> s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes:
>
>>You're right -  who cares if he doesn't really know what voyeur means -
>>more of a real issue is *my* use of the word homphobe to describe you.
>>Am I to take your continued silence about this to be a tacit admission that
>>you are a homophobe?
>    If you are saying that I hate the idea of being subjected to a disgusting,
>    unnatural and potentially dangerous act, well then, yes I am a Homophobe.

Hey don't knock it till you try it. I like anal sex, whether it involves
a man or a woman with a strapped-on dildo. I'd wager that you'd find
it stimulating as well,  as most research on the subject concludes that for
most people, the anus is a highly erogenous zone. But don't take my
word for, look through some studies  yourself, or better yet, get over
your insecurity and try it. Again, just by your extreme overstating of
your distaste for this sexual act it's obvious that you find it compelling
but can't deal with it because you've been brainwashed by a repressed society.

>
>>You are very vocal about your hatred of Madonna - if
>>you had any integrity at all you would also admit that you hate gay people
>    Well, I don't mind gay people, as long as they stay away from me when they
>    are looking for a good time. I have some friends that are gay, and this
>    does not bother me, it is just the sico faggots that make passes at you in
>    public places, such as toilets that I *really* dispise. It is not the
>    *person* that I hate, just their sexual preferences.

I don't know why I waste my time with someone who calls gay people "sico
faggots". I bet however, that you've probably created fantasies of lots of
gay people hitting on you in order to justify your homphobia (which itself
stems from repression).

>>>I really don't think that what women think about it really matters, as it is
>>>ont often that a woman rapes another woman, is it? *so*, you try to tell me
>>>that men cant get the wrong idea not only from a womans body language, but
>>>also their social actions. Don't get me wrong, I think rape is sick too, but
>>>it is the princple of it, if yo put someone who might a borderline rapeist
>>>into a situation where a woman unwittingly flaunts herself and taunts him, it
>>>may just be what pushes him over the edge... I know if I was a woman, *I*
>>>would not want to face the horror of a rape...
>
>>Well Nathan, I commend you on your sensitivity towards the horrors of rape, but
>>what are you saying? It seems like your message to women is :the world
>>is full of borderline rapists
>    not. read the post again.
>>so therefore you better not wear tight
>>dresses or otherwise display your sexuality, because then you might make
>>a sick man rape you.
>    this however is more correct, as I feel that there are sicos out there
>    that are only looking for a signal, and that will set them off.

>>Please correct me if this is not what you mean.
>    It was close.

I you lived in this country I'd recommend that you join the Moral Majority.
It's hard for me to believe that there are still backwards men who want
to deny women expression of their sexuality (something that men have always
had the freedom to do). I know the world is changing, and that more and more
men are waking up and realizing how unfair and fucked up that attitude is, but
I wish it were changing faster, and I wish you'd get with it.

>>If it is, I think you might want to reconsider your earlier statement
>>that you "really don't think that what women think about it really matters"
>>(it's obvious that you don't) because I bet most women would disagree.
>>I personally feel that women should have the same freedom that men have
>>to dress and act however they want, without expecting society at large
>>and people like you to condone violence against them.
>    Simplistic Moron. Read the post properly, and make an attempt to at least
>    try to understand what I am saying. I'm not condoning voilence against
>    *anyone*. I am really *warning* people that madonna is not the best role
>    model. I am saying that if you act loike madonna, ***I*** fell that they
>    are increasing their chance of getting raped.
>>If someone does rape, then throw the bum in jail (and don't listen to the men like you who will
>>say it's the woman's fault).
>    More moronic comments. What about the old saying...
>        "PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN THE CURE"?
>    If we took your approach to the matter, then for every one that is
>    committed, he mkust first put a woman through the horror of rape. But if
>    we use *MY* method, there would in *MY* opinion be less people that have
>    to face the rape process.

Wrong -  if we take your approach, which up till now has been the approach of
society at large, we'd be telling women that they aren't free to express 
themselves however they choose. At the same time, we'd be blaming women
for rape instead of the rapists (which is more or less still what we do - 
at almost all rape trials, the defense tries to make an issue of what the 
woman did to provoke the rape). If we place the blame where it really lies,
with the rapist, and then actually throw him in jail (as does not happen
enough) women would be free to act however they choose, and society would
have less rapists walking around. Over time, the incidence of rape 
would hopefully go down. 
>
>>>    Slobs... Good insult... I'm hurt...
>>>    I just hope one of the angry 'uns come after you, not me.
>
>>You didn't like slobs huh? How about  lily-livered, whoreson, brazen-faced
>>varlet, one-trunk-inheriting slave, the son and heir of a mongrel bitch, and
>>one whom I'll beat into clamorous whining if thou deniest the least syllable!
>    Well, my goat felching friend, once you have finished reaming your
>    boyfriend, and possibly girlfriend, get your rock squicking mantool out of
>    your hand, and cut down on your diet of wet dog anal fluid, die. I can
>    name call too.
I'm actually quite impressed by this stream of insults - it's of very high
quality (I give you points on this one). I'll let you have the last word
as an ongoing war of insults is even less interesting than our dialogue
so far.

>
>
>>>>God's beard drips frothy chaos........
>>>    Yeah, good comment theo... God is a spiritual being if you belive he
>>>    exists, and how can a intangable being, who has no physical form have a
>>>    beard???   Just wondering...
>
>>You must have intended to post this to alt.sophomoric.theological.speculation.
>    Just commenting on your trailer that belongs in alt.faggot.I.love.madonna.
>    and.I.want.to.root.my.dogs.pups.six.times.a.day

Your calling me a faggot probably has something to do with your not knowing
what the word "sophmoric" means. For your information, it means "Brash and
overconfident, but immature and ill informed". For the record I'm a 
proudly bisexual man who loves to experiment with all different kinds of
(safe) sex, and I have pity for all those repressed people out there who
don't allow themselves to indulge the fantasies that our outmoded 
societal mores have tried to brainwash out of them. So go on and have the last
word - but don't expect any more responses - you bore me.


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God's beard drips frothy chaos........
		theodore-michael@cs.yale.edu