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From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: XC Conference results
Keywords: Cross Country, Conference Meets, Results
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 00:48:13 GMT

In article <1d44ieINNlbd@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> mcgredo@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Don McGregor) writes:
>In article <1992Oct31.005334.29029@oracle.us.oracle.com> kirwin@us.oracle.com (Kevin Irwin) writes:
>>
>>  It's about the time of the year for college cross country conference meets.
>>Would some kind soul either post or mail me summaries of results from their     area.  I'd also be interested in District (NCAA qualifiers) results as well.
>
>PAC-10: My cousin, Nicole Woodward, won the women's XC :-)
>
>I'll consider this to be good news, despite the fact that she
>runs for the "wrong" university in the state, U of O.  I heard 
>through the family grapevine she won by about 10 seconds.  She's
>been on a tear for the last few months.
>
>-- 
>Don McGregor             | "I..I blame society.  Society made me  
>mcgredo@prism.cs.orst.edu|  what I am."

ARGH!  The wrong university?!  Hey, I graduated from U of O, and grew up in
Corvallis.  Never would I consider U of O the bad school there...  I watched
the race here last weekend, and it was certainly won on depth, and the fact
that the 5th man for Arizona BLEW UP...  Arizona was in something like 2,3,5,
6,7 through the first mile...  Seems to me some of 'em got excited and let
pace go out the window, and then paid for it later.  I'm really glad Oregon
won, though, as I ran with the guys on the team for 2 years (of course I was
pretty much off the back, which happens when the top 10 guys can run a sub-
14:30 5k on the track and you can only run 16:30).  At any rate, it was a
really exciting race (in fact both were, where the Oregon women pretty much
crushed, something like 57-82).

Bill
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 13 Nov 1992 11:39:44 EST
From: <IO10644@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
 <1992Nov12.164644.27311@unocal.com> <1e09qpINN370@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>


I live on an island in the Penobscot river which is officially a
game reserve.  The problem is that I tend to FORGET that it is
hunting season when I go for long runs which take me off the
island...at least I forget for a few moments.  Last year I set off
for a twenty miler in blissful ignorance of the fact that it was
murder month.  I was fine until I turned off the main road onto a
ten mile stretch of dirt road.  When the gunfire started, which
it did, I upped my pace.  Now this isn't really funny, but I ran
pretty close to my 10 mile pr and easily broke 2 hours for the full
twenty.  I think the best advice-lamentably-is only run where you
KNOW you are safe, indoors.  Be careful out there...
giles.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Subject: Re: Semi-vegi diet
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:55:57 GMT

Allen Warren (allen@tessi.com) wrote:
: In addition, eat some rice with the beans and get a complete
: protein.

My understanding is that the "complete protein" concept has
been refuted, i.e. you don't have to worry about eating
protein complements.  However, if you eat a reasonably
varied diet, you're going to get them anyway, so it's a moot
point.
--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
From: smith+@cs.cmu.edu (Sean Smith)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:01:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Keywords: BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!!!

In article <1992Nov13.031054.24594@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel) writes:

>
>Call it paranoia but I bet there would be a lot more uproar
>if a casual walker had been killed instead of a runner.

Actually, a couple of years back there was highly publicized case up in Maine
(I think) where a woman hanging up clothes _in her own backyard_ was killed
by a hunter, who mistook her white fluffy mittens for a deer tail.

Public reaction was similar, sadly.


--Sean

smith+@cmu.edu                         	     	    school of computer science
carnegie mellon university    5000 forbes avenue     pittsburgh, pa 15213 3890
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 20:22:23 MST
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject:    Not ITB afterall- worse!

Hey now runners,

After all of this time, it turns out that I do not have ITB syndrome. I
have a partial tear in my cartiledge. It looks like I'll be having arthro-
scopic surgery within the next couple of weeks. Has anyone else had this
done? How long is the recovery time? Can I return to marathons or is that
out of the question?  Thanks in advance for your comments.
Ramble on,
Rich
From: lbrodie@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Les Brodie)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:27:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Flat Footed Runner
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.running

You did not say how often and how far you are running.  Perhaps you
have an overuse injury.  You may want to check out a good running
book like Galloway's.  Try to ramp up very slowly when your aches
and pains subside.  Do not increase more then 10% per week.  A good
running store may help in the shoe area although my experience is
that self diagnosis using available literature works better.  There
are numerous shoe articles in Runner's World.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cs631112@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs631112)
Subject: More Running in Winter: Breathing
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:51:55 GMT

My problem with running in the winter is that I feel like my lungs
are being "burned" by the cold air.  Is there anything I can do
about it?  (besides just bear down like the marathoner I'm supposed to be?)

-- 
                        Joshua Engel    |\
                        President,      |/ urgatorio
                    	                |  roductions
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Pork (Was: Re: Semi-vegi diet)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:56:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov10.165643.22349
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

The pork that is available today has dramatically less fat than the pork of
20 years ago.  Whether it is red meat or white meat or brown meat is a non-
issue.  The fat in pork today is roughly comparable to that in chicken or
lean beef.  It's up to you.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cfsem@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Stuart E. Michelson)
Subject: Re: rec.running
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:40:45 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

I will be in Kansas City over Thanksgiving, Nov 25-29, does anybody know
of any road races going on during this time period?

Thanks.......Stuart Michelson........
From: murphyww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (William W Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: X-Country Course @Van Cortland Pk, NYC?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:17:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov12.162435.1756@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
>
> There's a big age group x-country event coming up Sunday at Van Cortland
>Park in NYC.
>
> I'm thinking of running it and was wondering if anyone can describe the
>course as far as how risky it is to get injured in such an event on this
>course. 
 
I run for the University of Pennsylvania and we run at Van Cordlandt a lot.  It is improved a lot this year.  Earlier in the year is was really treacherous, but work has been done and it is still difficult, but not as dangerous. 

Also, for those requestion Conference meet results, here are the Hepts.

Team
1. Navy  	32
2. Cornell	83
3. Dartmouth    89
4. Penn	        92
5. Brown 	99
6. Army	       151
7. Harvard
8. Princeton
9. Columbia
10. Yale

Other than Navy, it was the closest Heps in a long time.  All the time were really fast.  Greg Keller of Navy won in 24:40(approx).

Individual
1. Keller (navy)
2. Cunningham (Cornell)
3. ------ (Navy)
4. Klas (Cornell)
5. Stewart (Army)
6. Coogan(Dart)

We, the U. of Penn went 11, 12, 15, 19 for our first four finishers.  It was a really tight meet.  If anyone has any other results, please post.
From: mep2y@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Mary Elizabeth Purcell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: doctor's advice
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:30:14 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


     My name is Beth Purcell and I've been running since the
age of ten.  I currently run for the University of Virginia.
My problem is that I have been getting pounding headaches when
I run.  This has been going on since the summer.  I've gone
from running 5 minute miles to barely being able to run a 7
minute mile.  I've been to countless doctors and they have
found no evidence of a serious problem.  I've had a MRI
performed and that showed no major abnormalties.  Even though
nothing has been found, the doctors recommend that I stop
running.  I'm really upset about this and refuse to give up
running without some further inquiries.  If anyone that reads
this has heard of a similiar condition or has any suggestions
for me, please respond.  I'm going crazy not being able to
run.  

                                             Beth Purcell

mep2y@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Semi-vegi diet
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:52:57 GMT

jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng) writes:


>If it's just iron and protein you're looking for, beans (eg, kidney
>beans) have *much* more than (red) meat.

>Just in case you didn't know,

In addition, eat some rice with the beans and get a complete
protein.

allen
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Subject: Warmup
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:35:19 GMT

Here is my problem.  First, my calves tend to very tight when I
start running leading to shin splints unless I run very slow, at
least for the first half-hour.  Second, since I start slow it
takes me longer than is pleasant to warm up.

Recently, I discovered a fifteen minute hill close to where I
live and have realized that the hill both loosens the muscles and
gives me a good warmup.

Is there another solution to this problem besides the hill?  The
thing is that I am about to move to a place that is completely
flat and am terrified of having to go back to the old painful
days.

Asim.
From: raym@runner.asd.sgi.com (Raymond Mascia)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Semi-vegi diet
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:24:23 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <37pchms@Unify.Com>, jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng) writes:
|> 
|> If it's just iron and protein you're looking for, beans (eg, kidney
|> beans) have *much* more than (red) meat.
|> 
|> Just in case you didn't know,
|> --jen
|> B. Jennifer Zheng       Ride thy bike; run thy race.                        ||
I've read that the iron in beans is not absorbed as well, so beans aren't
as effective. 
None the less I go for bean beritos (sp).

Ray Mascia
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:42:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

What amazes me is that he was shot with a shotgun. A hunter has to be an
absolute irresponsible twitchtrigger to make that kind of mistake with a
short range weapon.

It is usually not legal to discharge firearms across roads. 

I think a very small fraction of hunters would make this kind of mistake, but
that small fraction is a significant number. I really hate the idea that while
gun season is open, they own the public lands to the extent that they can
negligently assassinate people without apparently breaking any laws.

scott
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cas@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Cathy Smith)
Subject: Re: 4 doctor's advice
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:50:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.183414.25911@schbbs.mot.com> CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey) writes:
>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>
>>     My name is Beth Purcell and I've been running since the
>>age of ten.  I currently run for the University of Virginia.
>>My problem is that I have been getting pounding headaches when
>>I run.  

One possibility is exercise induced migraines.  There is a discussion
of them in a book called something like "Sports Medicine Injuries" (it
is a fairly common book that lists causes and treatments for numerous 
sports related injuries.)  

Cathy Smith
cas@noaacrd.colorado.edu






-- 
cas@noaacrd.colorado.edu
From: apejfr@usht02.hou130.chevron.com (Edward Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Persistent Quadricep Muscle Soreness
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:00:03 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 

I am looking for any help or advice I can get about a problem
I am having with the quadricep muscles on both of my legs.

Ever since a hard 20 km race four weeks ago, my quads have
felt tired or "dead" with low-level, deep soreness.  I have been 
a runner for about 14 years and I have been averaging 70 miles per
week for several years.  I race marathons and ultramarathons and I was
gearing up to race a fast marathon in January.
Two to four weeks before the race I had two very hard training
weeks, which included hills at altitude.  This potentially put
me on the edge of being overtrained and the race could have been
what pushed me over the edge.

I do not experience any real pain the few times I have tried to run,
but my quads feel fatigued, tight, with a low-level ache right from the
start of the run.  This condition does not seem to get better or worse
as I run.  I can find no specific locations on the muscles that are
extremely sore, but with deep massage and manipulation can find soreness
in many places.

After reading two dozen books, talking to runners and a few doctors,
I have only heard one person describe anything like I have.
Dr. Timothy Noakes in "Lore of Running" describes symptoms of
overtraining which includes persistent muscle soreness.  
Dr. Noakes says the problem is fairly common in elite runners and if
the overtraining has progressed far enough may require six to eight
weeks of rest to recover.  He unfortunately does not define "rest".
I assume it means no running, but am unsure if it includes non-impact 
activities such as cycling.  I am very leary of not using the muscles
at all, because scar tissue may form on the damaged muscle tissue, which
could produce a chronic problem that would last longer than one to two months.

I would appreciate any advice from anyone who is familiar with this kind of 
persistent muscle soreness or knows of any references, people or books, 
that could provide me with more information.

Thanks in advance for any help.


--Ed Fry
--apejfr@usht02.hou130.chevron.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:49:19 GMT

IMHO (and sorry to any hunters out there) these people are 100% guilty of  
manslaughter and should at least be convicted and receive a suspended  
sentence for their crime.  It is absolutely inexcusable to aim and shoot a  
gun at a moving object without positively identifying the target--that's what  
we call "negligence".  I'm sure the hunter feels incredibly bad about this,  
but that's too damn bad--he has committed a crime, and should pay his due.
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Re: Tight calf muscles
Newsgroups: rec.running
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:02:42 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <13882@pogo.wv.tek.com> lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd  
Wieman;685-3751;63-356;LP=A;P0HG) writes:
> So what do you do with a bunch of decent looking but essentially  
unusable
> running shoes?  I can only use so many pairs of mud and mountain bike
> shoes.
> 
> Lynd


I use old running shoes for everyday wear (jeans+t-shirt+sneakers=high  
fashion for me!)  

My problem is what to do with my old aerobics shoes. They soles are very  
stiff and flat, and are not that comfortable for walking around in. Plus I  
wear high-tops, so they are much heavier and warmer than is comfortable  
here in southern CA. I have been saving them up thinking that if I ever  
move back east they would be great for those days when it is too wet to  
wear light-weight sneakers, but not really boot weather either. In  
Michigan, that was a good share of the time!

----------------------------------------------------------
Robin 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rdurant@rdurant.mentorg.com (Rich Durant)
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:11:39
	<1e09qpINN370@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: engr

I have to agree with the "runner beware" statement made by Greg below.
The hunter should be procecuted for manslaughter and loose his right
to ever own a gun again.

I Once live on the edge of a heavily wooded area that had 3 deer
seasons (gun, bow, and ancient weapons). Anyway I took to wearing a
small cow bell. Besides letting the hunter(s) know I wasn't something to
be shot at, it scared off lots of game.


In article <1e09qpINN370@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory C. Sheppard) writes:
   In a previous article, jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel) says:

   >
   >This is shocking to me!
   >
    Worse than shocking...it's criminal!  I have to wonder about the
   wisdom of putting locked & loaded weapons in the hands of hunters who
   would fire first and check the identity of their target second.

   >It means to me that I must be aware when the various
   >hunting seasons are in effect, and where hunting is
   >allowed in any locale where I might run,
   >and NOT RUN THERE.
   >
    I run on a game preserve which has lots of deer and have always
   considered it a pretty safe place to run...until last week a "poacher"
   bagged two deer.
    I guess it boils down to:  When running in a wooded, kill-zone, runner
   beware!  It's one thing to wear all sorts of fluorescent stripes for
   motorists' high-beams, and quite anohther to wear bold, bright colors 
   to ward off hunters who are looking only for movement.

   -- 
   Greg Sheppard
   Internet : imop@wa-ngnet.army.mil
--
Rich           rich_durant@mentorg.com
              | Mentor Graphics Corp  | Phone: 503-685-7000
              | 8005 SW Boeckman Road |
              | Wilsonville, OR 97070 |
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: norton@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (David Norton)
Subject: From 0 to 26 miles in a year
Reply-To: norton@cmf.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Distribution: w
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:42:31 GMT

Can anyone recommend a book specifically on training for a marathon?

I seem to recall seeing one a while ago which discussed a training  
schedule for going from just starting to run, to running a marathon.  The  
book set out a training schedule to accomplish this goal over a 12 month  
period.

Please e-mail - I'll sumarize if there is interest.

thanks
-dave
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hankin@sauron.osf.org (Scott Hankin)
Subject: Re: Exersize and calories burned
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:44:06 GMT

scochran@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Cochran) writes:

>  I have heard another way to estimate the number of calories that a person
>burns during exercise.  I heard it here.  The trouble is that I can't 
>remember it exactly.  It's something like 0.8 calories per mile (traveled)
>per pound (of runner's weight).  I think that it worked out to about 130 
>calories per mile for me.  Does anyone remember the exact formula?

>SC

    The formula I've seen is

	calories burned = body weight (Kg) * kilometers run

    This works out to

	calories burned = body weight (lbs)/2.2 (lbs per Kg) * miles travelled/.62 (Km per mile)
			= body weight (lbs) * miles travelled / 1.364
			= body weight (lbs) * miles travelled * .73

    So a less accurate rule of thumb would be 3/4 weight * miles.

- Scott 
-- 
Scott Hankin (hankin@osf.org)
Open Software Foundation
11 Cambridge Center
Cambridge, MA 02142
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: knyal@ils.nwu.edu (Jarrett Knyal)
Subject: Re: Clubs in Chicago
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: chi
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.172543.6908@schbbs.mot.com> cdis76@email.mot.com (Deena
Snell) writes:
>
>Contact the Chicago Area Runner's Association at 312/357-0303.  They could
>put you in touch with a club in your area.  Also, on Sunday mornings at 
>7 a.m. at the Home Economist Foods in Barrington on Northwest Highway a 
>group of runners meet for a 10.8 mile run (very hilly).  Runners of all
>abilities meet there.  Everyone is welcome.  
>
> In article <92313.20480634YCX3S@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>,
<34YCX3S@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>> 
>> I will be starting a new job in the Chicago area and I am interested in
>> running clubs that exist there.  I will be living in Wheaton until the first
>> of the year, but will probably not be far from there when I do move.  My job
>> is in Downers Grove.  I will be looking for people to run with.  I run
>> approximately 55 to 60 miles a week with a long run of 15 to 18 miles at a
>> 7:00 minute pace average, and do some sort of speed or pace session once a
>> week.  Any information will be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance.  Kevin E. Gross
>> 
>> 
>

Jim Spivey (Olympic miler) manages the Jim Spivey Running Club running club
which meets in your area.  Call 708-858-0931.  I know there is a reasonable
fee.
From: harp@martha.utcc.utk.edu (harp)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: X-Country Course @Van Cortland Pk, NYC?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:25:21 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

In article <1992Nov12.162435.1756@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
> There's a big age group x-country event coming up Sunday at Van Cortland
>Park in NYC.
>
> I'm thinking of running it and was wondering if anyone can describe the
>course as far as how risky it is to get injured in such an event on this
>course. 
>
> I've never run x-country and I'm not familiar with this course. I'd hate to
>end a long injury free season with a turned ankle (which i'm slightly prone
>to). 
>
> Thanks for info asap. The race is in 3 days from now (Thurs).
>

If it is the 2.5 mile course that I ran when I was in high school (Huge
Eastern Invitational) then it is not for the average runner.  It starts off
on a baseball field complex.  In our race, we crammed 35 teams of 7 runners
onto the starting line and within about 500 meters, we had to all converge
on a trail about 15 feet wide.  This trail weaves up and down hills, which
are steep in both directions.  The thing I remember most was that every 40
feet or so the ground was raised up in what looked like a speed-bump made
of dirt.  Sometimes these would be placed just at the top of a little hill
so that when you came off the top you actually remained in the air for
several seconds (scary).

I can say that it was a fun course to run and it was very fast.  Two of our
top runners finished in just over 13 minutes (1987).  My reccomendation is
to run the race, but be VERY careful.  You can mess yourself up pretty bad
if you don't concentrate VERY hard on your footing.  The best reason I can
think of for running the race is because the course is so radically
different from the standard road race or even most X-C races I've run.
This is of course if the the course is set up the same way.  I can't see
how they would have it in Van Cortland park without going over the same
ground that we did.

Sean Harp
University of Tennessee


I'd be glad to answer specific questions about
the course if you have any (I am having glory
day flashbacks now).