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From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: XC Schooling Safety Question
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:53:01 GMT


In article <1eeq8dINNh9q@gap.caltech.edu>, deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:> In article <1992Nov18.220945.373@nb.rockwell.com> reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes:

> Well, some horses are naturally careful and some aren't. 

This is true among jumpers, too.  But usually the way you get them to be
more careful if they're inclined to be insensitive is to let them take
a good rap from a heavier pole or plank....  This evidently didn't work for
the horse you mentionned since you said she hit it a few times.  I'm not 
sure that you'd want to use much less leg protection over x-c obstacles--
maybe open-front boots?  I'm not even sure open fronts are a good idea for
xc.

> 
> With a horse that isn't highly sensitive to rubs, I guess I just feel
> safer thinking that they know the difference between a solid fence 
> and a knockdown fence.  But maybe that's just an illusion.

That makes sense--but brings up a couple questions...  I can see where the
horse would quickly learn the difference between xc fences that are solid
and the stadium jumps which can be knocked down.  How do you keep your horses
careful for stadium if they learn that these can be knocked down (assuming
we're talking about a horse that doesn't mind rubbing the occasional rail)?
Why don't the same techniques work for keeping the horse careful on xc? --
I do understand the pace is substantially faster, but it is still a jump.

I've heard that it can be dangerous for the fence to come apart with the
horse going at a faster pace, (at least that's one reasoning I've heard
for the fences being solid and secure) but I would think it would be equally dangerous for the horse to get hung up in a fence that didn't come apart.


Diane R.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sknopp@vax (KNOPP, SHERRON)
Subject: Re: horse doesn't like to be groomed
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:49:00 GMT

In article <9856@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes...
>In article <4252@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>
>>There's this horse, Dollar, who doesn't like to be groomed.  When 
>>I try to brush or curry him, he lays his ears back and tosses his head
>>and his skin moves like there's flies on him.  I've tried all different
>>curries and brushes, too.  
>>
>>	What could I do to get this horse to trust me enough to
>>groom him, or make the experience more tolerable to him?  I've tried
>>bribing him with carrots...
> 
>I'm glad to see that you've taken this as your "personnel challenge".
>It sounds as if maybe this poor guy hasn't had enough (of the correct
>type) of attention.  Because he isn't easy to groom, people have
>probably not spent enough time with him.  Instead, he probably
>gets a quick, rough grooming which just re-affirms the idea
>that grooming = discomfort.  
> 
That's ONE possibility.  But it's not the only one.  I have a TB
mare who LOVES to be groomed--after the ride.  BEFORE the ride, she
seems to know what's coming:  she's antsy, nippy (when I do her face),
kicky (when I get to her flanks).  She's not mean--if I get annoyed
and speak sharply or whack her, she stops the funny stuff--and she's
never hurt me (and I don't think ever would).  But I think Dollar
might be smart that way too, esp. if he's a lesson horse.  Try
grooming him AFTER the lesson--take a towel and rub the sweat
marks where the bridle goes and under the saddle and see if his
attitude is any different.  Just a thought.

Sherron
Williamstown, MA
   (And Judy/Belles Saisons--who's like a 2-year-old getting
    dressed for church BEFORE the ride and a dirty old man
    getting the erotic massage of his life AFTER the ride!)
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From: kcarver@dante.nmsu.edu (Kenneth Carver)
Subject: Walter Farley, author of The Black Stallion
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:05:30 GMT

With the current thread about The Black Stallion, I couldn't resist 
telling about how I met Walter Farley.  There was an article about him
in the Sunday paper magazine section, in the late '70's.  It said he
spent part of his time in Florida, and part at his farm in a certain
Pennsylvania valley.  I set the article aside, determined someday to
visit and thank him personally for his wonderful books that have
largely shaped my life.  I lived in New Jersey at that time, and
about 12 years ago I set out to see if I could find Walter Farley.
I had only to ask directions once, and found his farm easily.  I had
second thoughts as I walked down the wooded lane to the secluded
house, but he was very friendly and he showed me around and we talked
for a while.  He had no horses there, but kept several around the
country to give him an excuse to travel.  He said that Cass Ole is not
the large horse that he wrote of as the Black, which is why the short
Mickey Rooney was chosen to play Henry in the movie.

I returned a few weeks later, this time with my stallion Shane.  Of
course I have a photograph of Walter Farley with Shane.  Honestly!

--Ken Carver
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Winter Pasture Care
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:37:56 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov18.190311.24144@piston.detroit.ingr.com>, ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick) writes:
> I don't meant this as a flame, but I was under the impression that feeding
> horses round bales is not especially healthy for them. The barn where my horse
> is boarded used to do this in the winter. They have decided not to do this
> anymore because of the numerous vets who have voiced their collective concern
> over this practice. They are notorious for mold, which can upset the digestive
> tracts of some horses. I believe round bales are meant for cows who do not
> seem to be as sensitive.

I think this is true; I have had extensive experience with both.  However, the
big factor is in how the bales are stored and how quickly they are moved out of
the field.  If they are stored indoors (not in one of those "big bale condoms")
and are moved there farely quickly after having been baled, there is no reason
they should be more susceptable to mold than square bales, especially if the
hay is cured properly in the field before bailing.

Alan
From: Shirley_Gillard_Schneckloth@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: HELP for weak shelly hooves
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:53:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Liz-

I had an Appaloosa who had really brittle feet. I saw a tip in some magazine
about using one packet of knox gelatin a day in the grain. The new hoof that
grows will take some time before you will really notice a difference. But 
once the stronger hoof gets hold of the shoe, you'll really notice a 
difference when the nails don't chip the outside of the hoof. It worked
for me.

sgs
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: dressage bits
Keywords: checking bits
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:17:12 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:

> In Article 9887 in rec.equestrian patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
> writes:
> 
> >pick it up and hand it to you when you finished :) A good ring 
> >steward will also do your bit inspection as soon as you even get close 
> >enough to be identified as the next competitor (long before your "once
> >around the outside") so your concentration isn't broken.(not to
> >mention your nerves)]
> 
> 	This was what I did however it was sometimes difficult.  I would 
> love to see some other people report on exactly how your ring stewards
> and gatekeepers at other dressage shows performed this task.

Can't speak for dressage shows but this is how my dressage bit was checked
at the novice and training level combined training events I competed in.
There was always a distinctly different warm-up area from the competition
arena.  I always showed up at the competition arena about half-way through
the preceeding rider's test and just stood there or walked around in a
large circle on a loose rein to let Saint relax a little before entering
the ring.  The steward always checked me as I was standing there or
stopped me at the point of my large circle that was closest to the ring.
To check, s/he would slip a finger inside the horse's mouth (I showed
dressage in a figure-eight noseband so peeking inside wasn't an option)
and feel what kind of bit was in there.  Oh yeah, s/he asked first if the
horse was a biter.  After checking my bit, s/he would also check my spurs
to make sure they were legal (only blunt spurs were allowed at my level).

Judy

   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.
From: pxjones@crdec6.apgea.army.mil (Paulette Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re:  Winter Pasture Care
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:26:56 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Barbara (or anyone else):

You say you put big round hay bales in your pastures for winter?
Don't they mold?  Are they covered?  Our Army saddle club, every
once in a while wants to put these bales in our pastures.  We've
always had a split among owners, half who want them and half who
don't.  So we end up with 2 pastures with bales and 2 without.
The round bales look black and yucky after a week out in the 
weather and I've never wanted my horse touching the stuff.  True,
we've not had any horses colic that we could blame on the round
bales, but I toss ANY small bale that smell musty or "dusts" when
I open it or has black areas in it.

Paulette & Nipper

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From: buckaroo@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Mikey Moran)
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:34:10 GMT

More on fitting of shoes....  IMHO
The theory on shoes being full fitted 1/8" or more will be
debated by many vets and farriers.  One thing most agree on is the
extension beyond the heels.  If you droped a straight line down
the front of the cannon bone, the shoe in an ideal situation would
be divided in thirds with 1/3 going under the leg (behind
the line) for support.  A line
down the space between the cannon bone and tendon should at least
touch the rear of the shoe.

On expansion for the sides on the shoes - I agree with leaving
expansion, although on hunters or clumsy youngsters, it sometimes is
just enough to catch a thumbnail if you feel the edge.  It does require
more frequent shoeing - as the hoof grows down it also grows out, similar
to a cone getting longer. The shoe becomes smaller than the hoof
and the size difference is quite noticable when cleaning the foot.

Best Regards,
Mikey
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From: irod@ourbeach.Eng.Sun.COM (Irma Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Black Stallion (was Horsey Dinner Theatres...)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:58:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ourbeach

In article <92323.26645.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>(stuff deleted)I think we need more of these beautiful, reasonably
>gentle, though exciting, stories to give our children some good dreams
>for a change, IMHO! ;-)
>

That sounds like a great idea for a Christmas present! Now I
know what I'm getting for my goddaughter. She's been asking
for riding lessons, but we can't afford that yet (It's hard
enough to pay for my own!) In the meantime, she can read and
dream, just like I did growing up.

-Irma
(who will lease a horse as soon as her car is paid for!)


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Scratches (bacterial type)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:18:10 EST
Distribution: usa,na
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov16.120220.1@stsci.edu>, melnick@stsci.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.223348.3562@colorado.edu>, springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer) writes:
>> My Saddlebred has developed what apparently is a case of
>> scratches on his three white legs and nose..............
>> 
>> Any suggestions?? Thanks in advance.
>> J. Springer 
> 
> I have been struggling with scratches, a.k.a. mud fever, on my mare's white
> legs for over a year now.  I've been using lots of different things, including
> antibiotic ointment from the vet, and while it eventually comes under control,
> I find it is a constant battle.  My advice is, treat it right away, don't worry
> about the mess, and once you get it cleared up, BE VIGILANT -- check her every
> time you're with her.  It's easier to treat when the scabs are small and only
> in a few spots.  Unfortunately, my mare wasn't checked regularly when I was laid
> up with back surgery, and now she has it so bad her one leg has swollen a bit. 
> She is now being treated every day as follows:  before being exercised, apply 
> baby oil to scabs to soften them (they must be removed!).  Afterwards, wash the 
> affected legs (2) with warm soapy water to remove dirt; rinse thoroughly.  Wash
> with betadine/water solution; rinse with warm water, or even soak leg in a
> bucket to soften the scabs.  I use a hose with a spray handle, and often make
> it a strong jet to force off some of the scabs.  Then I go through the task of
> pulling off as many scabs as possible, and then rinse the area with warm water.
> Then give my mare a few carrots as a reward for being so tolerant!  Pat dry
> the legs, then apply antibiotic ointment, then cover with Desitin (or generic
> equivalent, works just as well, as long as it's zinc oxide).  We seem to be
> making some progress, but as she lives outside, there's always the mud until
> we get constant freezing temps!  One thing I sometimes do if the scabs are
> thick & numerous -- first spray the area with antiseptic/anesthetic first aid
> spray, the sunburn kind.  She seems to get some relief with that.
> Good luck!!
> 
> Rita and Kindred Spirit ("Blaize")

Have you thought that perhaps a course of injected antibiotics might help?
Especially if she has swelling in the leg.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Re:  Winter Pasture Care
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:45:00 GMT

In article <9211201618.aa04126@cbda6.apgea.army.mil>, equestrians@world.std.com writes...
>Barbara (or anyone else):
> 
>You say you put big round hay bales in your pastures for winter?
>Don't they mold?  Are they covered?  Our Army saddle club, every
>once in a while wants to put these bales in our pastures.  We've
>always had a split among owners, half who want them and half who
>don't.  So we end up with 2 pastures with bales and 2 without.
>The round bales look black and yucky after a week out in the 
>weather and I've never wanted my horse touching the stuff.  True,
>we've not had any horses colic that we could blame on the round
>bales, but I toss ANY small bale that smell musty or "dusts" when
>I open it or has black areas in it.
> 
>Paulette & Nipper
> 

The outer layer of a big bale left outside will weather. My horses always
leave the outer layer and attack the good stuff in the middle, so I've
never had any problem with digestive problems or colic from big bales. In
fact, the big bales look a little strange with a doughnut hole in the
middle! They eat from the inside out. There is definitely more waste with
a big bale than with small square bales. For the ponies I fork hay off the 
inside big bales so there is no ruined hay on those. 

Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: boarding versus horses at home
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:00:55 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

A little more on the subject of boarding versus home care.  I had
horses out a pasture for a total of about 9 years.  They were
healthy 95% of the time and I never had an unsound horse except for
the time I had shoes put on. My main problem is that most of the
pastures in the San Francisco Penninsula had Poison Oak in them and
the horses always picked some up on their coat which was passed
along to me.

So I said, never again will I board out.

WE bought a place in Lake Co with a big house and 10 acres with a
corral and shelter.  The first year we put up a four rail wood fence
and I am finally getting around to painting it.  The paint cost more
than our pony...Anyway, since I was out today and got 50 feet
painted (out of 2,000), I was thinking how nice it would be not to
have the horses her and have to do this.  But, then I do love the
sight of the horses now out in the orchard and the fence WILL look
beautiful when it is done.

My biggest problem with having them here is the flies.  WE are im
the process of finding a barn  builder, so that will help matters a
lot.  I currently have to tarp my hay and always have some damage.I
spend about $25 a month to feed a big mare, fat pony and donkey.  I
get the "Cheapest good quality" hay I can find (around $2.50 a bale

for oat or alfalfa) and haul and stack it myself.  Do all my shots
and wormings.  big expense is shoes for the pony (needs pads for the
raod), and my trail horse.

And it is really nice to be able to go out at night when it is 30
degrees and give them a warm bran mash.  I hope they appreciate it!

Karen
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: QL: DUFE and DAughter of Sin
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:21:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	Boy, women are really taking a beating in QL with these two
episodes.  We are pictured as evil, shrew-like witches.  The only
positive images are those of daughter or servant or 1950's style
wife.  This is the old 'woman as downfall of man' Judeo/Christian
stereotype that I thought we had thrown off a long time ago.  Now
I see that we still have a lot of fighting to do.  I as a 35 year
old woman found myself fighting feelings of helplessness and hopelessness
about just being a woman!  Think how a young girl growing up watching
these episodes would feel.  It is no wonder to me that women do not
achieve as much as men do when there is these kinds of negative images
of women pervading our subconsciousness.  I expected better from Quantum 
Leap, I know they can do better!

				Tracy and Bruce (beautiful man)
				and Cachet (7 year old Arabian mare)
				and Mithril (2 year old Arabian filly)
				and The Cats -- Isis, Artemis, Corwin,
				Freya, Glisten, Tamesel, and Taliesin
 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rdrob@med.unc.edu (Ricky Roberson)
Subject: Goats
Originator: rdrob@cahaba
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:44:27 GMT

Before you guys start flaming me to death, I know this is not
rec.goats.  However I do know that a lot of people who keep horses, 
also keep goats.  I'd like to talk to any of you who may have goats,
especially pygmy goats.  Please use email.

Thanks to all,

Rick

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: Colic, Surgery, and Tough Choices
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:37:39 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.191958.27393@cs.wisc.edu>, haber@bashan.cs.wisc.edu (Eben Merriam Haber) writes:
> 
> 
First, I'm glad to hear that Roy made it through his surgery fine and is
doing well.  Hope that the recovery is uneventful for both of you.


> I hope none of you ever has to make a decision about surgery, but maybe this
> story can give you an idea of your options if you do have to face this...
> 

Another option is to have insurance.  Surgical coverage is ~ $75-95, major
medical runs ~ $115-150 and mortality is usually 3.5 - 4.5% of the value of
the horse.  Mortality coverage can get expensive (depending on how much
your horse is insured for) but surgical and major medical aren't all that
much and sure take one big load off your mind if you're ever faced with
deciding whether your horse should have surgery.

Diane R.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Summary: intestines calcium
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:33:11 GMT

In article <memo.746597@cix.compulink.co.uk>, alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman) writes:
> In: <9211110515.AA15913@sophia.smith.edu> turowski@sophia.smith.edu
> (Petra Turowski) writes:
> 
> > ever.  A useful addition to his feed might be a bran mash every time.
> 
> 
> The latest opinions of equine nutritionists is that bran
> mashes are not a good idea.
> 
> As, bran is indigestible it passes through the gut unchanged, in doing
> so, it removes the helpful intestinal flora - so you may need to feed
> more. These bacteria take around a week to re-establish themselves.
> 
> It also contains a substance (phytate) which can reduce the uptake of
> calcium from the gut leading to a calcium deficiency.
> 
> Alan.
 
	My understanding of the reason why bran mashes were fed was that
	the indigestible bran aided in defecation esp. after a hard day
	where the horse had produced adrenaline in copious amounts. The mash
	then helped the system to sort itself out.

	I was talking to my farrier (this guy is good value - not only do the
	horse's feet benefit but you get advice on how to live your life,
	which courses to study at university and he fixes cars too) about
	calcium/phosphorus balances. Something I didnt know was that an
	imbalance in this  Ca/P can cause mental problems . Does anyone know
	anything to support refute this theory?

	And Christobel decided to sample my yogurt yesterday, I was sitting
	in her stall to keep her company, eating my dinner. I was holding the
	spoon up and talking to someone and this pink tongue went SLURP!

	She ate the rest : 1 spoon for you 1 spoon for me. Its bad enough I
 	have to	share my dinner with the dogs- but Christobel?!?!?!?!?!

	Amanda & Christobel (the 16 year old delinquent)