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From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 1st Call for Votes: misc.forsale computers reorg.
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:49:00 GMT
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven

In article <92244.144601JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> I think a better question is: Is this a real CFV or is it bogus ???

I don't recall seeing an offcial RFD myself.  Was I asleep or just nuking
threads too quickly with trn?  The CFV just seems a bit too quick.


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 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
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From: nik@csgi36.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (Nik Silver)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.abstract
Organization: School of Computer Studies, University of Leeds
Distribution: scs
Keywords: perfect-information deterministic strategic no-dice
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:49:32 GMT
X-Posted-From: csgi36.leeds.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Btp6py.Iwq@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, nick@sunburn.waterloo.edu
(Nick Fitzpatrick) writes:

>If the bit. groups got the distribution they deserved, we would already have
>one!  Yes, it is on my to do list, perhaps I ought to try it.  Again I 
>apolgize for the heavy handiness.  I do not want to stop rec.games.abstract,
>just protect my onw interests.

Yes! Do it! Create rec.games.diplomacy --- the bit. groups might not be so
large in number, but you might be surprised at how many passive Usenetters
would be in favour of it. I'd vote for it. And I'm voting in favour of
rec.games.abstract. I look forward to being able to subscribe to both.

-- 
Nik Silver                          "Now, give me the gatekey."
                                      "What gatekey?"
                                    "Fezzick, tear off his arms."
                                      "Oh, you mean this gatekey."
                                                   --- from The Princess Bride
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From: rcox@cad625.intel.edu (Richard Cox)
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers reorg
Keywords: rfd
Reply-To: rcox@scdt.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:30:21 GMT

|>      misc.forsale.computers.isa.systems
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.isa.software
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.apple.systems
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.apple.software
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.communications
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.printers
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.storage
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.other
|> 	misc.forsale.computers.d
This looks really good but I move for 1 small change (still) and 1 
question.

change: I think apple should be mac and Apple II stuff should go to other.

question: Shoud isa be more general like ibm or something which is not
          so specific?  I thought there were several bus structures for
          the PC market and could be grouped together?  (pardon my ignorance)

|> A couple of points:
|> 
|> 	1) we can abbreviate some of the names, however the longer
|> 	   names might prevent some unnecessary cross postings;

Good point!

|> 	4) The other group gets exactly that - other platforms, books,
|> 	   manuals, etc.

How about a lit group which has books for want, sale and reviews?

|> Mike

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From: gin001@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it (Mauro Cicognini)
Subject: CFD: comp.ai.genetic
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:53:45 GMT
Organization: C.d.C., Politecnico di Milano
Keywords: CFD, genetic algorithms, classifier systems

We would like to bring up the issue of creating a news group called

comp.ai.genetic

to host discussion on the following items:
 - Genetic algorithms
 - Classifier systems

that don't really fit in with neural-nets and tend to be submerged in the
more general comp.ai group.
We know that there may be not so many people that are into GAs and CSs, but
we feel that is definitely going to be a hot issue in the near future.


Mauro Cicognini (gin001@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it)

Snail-mail: via Cavour 35, 25034 Orzinuovi BS, ITALY



Marco Fumasi	(ser621@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it)

Snail-mail: via Marcello 8, 25034 Orzinuovi BS, Italy


Paolo Gibellini	(ghe344@cdc345_9.cdc.polimi.it)

Snail-mail: via Veneto 41, 25128 Brescia BS, Italy
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From: wes@ian.stx.com (John S.)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
Organization: STX, Lanham Maryland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:56:18 GMT

In article <42319@ogicse.ogi.edu> jlewis@ogicse.ogi.edu (Jeff Lewis) writes:
>OK - here's a brief list of the schemes mentioned so far (plus a couple

>A:  Create rec.musicians.misc for misc musician discussion
>    Create rec.musicians.{rock,jazz,classical} for genre specific
>      musician discussion
[see below]
>    Create rec.musicians.{guitar,percussion,keyboards,etc}
>    Create rec.musicians.misc-instruments
>    Create rec.musicians.marketplace
>

>Feedback?
>
>--Jeff

This would probably be my first choice. It's not full of sub-sub-sub-
sub-categories. Call it snobbery, but I like having 'musicians' in
there. 

   I'm not certain that there's a need for genre specific groups
for musicians separate from the existing rec.music.{insert-genre-here} 
groups, though. Musicians are already frequenting these groups (I've
received an invitation to jam through one group.) Besides, if you're a
musician, what better way to get to know your audience? 

   
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From: alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
Subject: Re: misc.forsale.computers RFD
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:45:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

newsnews@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (News Acct. 1) writes:
>	Here's a modified proposal - I think it captures most
>	of what has been said so far:

>	misc.forsale.computers.isa.systems
>	misc.forsale.computers.isa.software
>	misc.forsale.computers.apple.systems
>	misc.forsale.computers.apple.software

I strongly recommend "...mac.systems" and "...mac.software". Apple 2 stuff
is rare and would be better placed in "other". Likewise for newtons- they
can have their own group when they come on the used market in sufficient qty.,
which won't be for at least a year.

>	misc.forsale.computers.communications

.comm-gear or .comm would probably be just as clear, and shorter.

>	misc.forsale.computers.printers
>	misc.forsale.computers.storage
>	misc.forsale.computers.other
>	misc.forsale.computers.d

How about ..computers.workstations, too? or maybe .sun, since that's got the
lion's share of the forsale ads.

>	3) Its not clear that at this time we really need a .scsi;
>	   (or do we?)

.storage should be good enough. It'll be mostly scsi in a year or two anyway.

--
Alexis Rosen   Owner/Sysadmin,
PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC.
alexis@panix.com
{uupsi,cmcl2}!panix!alexis
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: How Do You Verify Votes? (was Re: r.m.harley vote acknowledgment)
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:48:46 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:

>>>> Now wait just a minute.  Haven't _any_ of you ever experienced the
>>>> variable reliability of e-mail? 
>>>
>>> I briefly considered the possibility you put forth, and dismissed it. 
>>
>> Ah, a newbie.  You should shut up until you have enough experience to
>> know what you're talking about. 
>
> I suppose six years experience sending email from NCSU to the world
> still makes me a newbie. 

There's this program called UUCP, and these archaic things called "dialup
connections".  In six years on the net, you should have heard of them. 
Not everyone on the net is at an Internet-connected university site.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"Hello.  My name is Julie, and this is the M-16."
From: kat@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:04:28 GMT
Organization: none

In <1992Aug31.170122.21968@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:

>ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:

>>Given that the show's already dead, the argument that there won't be
>>traffic after it dies doesn't hold a whole lot of water.

>    I realize this, but I was speaking in a general manner. The fact
>that the particular show we are talking about is already dead means this
>group really shouldn't be created, IMHO.

Ah, but fans have been discussing this "corpse" for years!  Do Star
Trek and Doctor Who fans have a monopoly on discussing dead shows?
Us Blake's 7 fans have discussed it for ten years after it was dead,
and we shall keep discussing it!
And though new shows are not being made, you can't say nothing is
happening out there; the videos are being released, and new novels
are being written (is it true that Paul Darrow is doing a second one?).

I want this group because I don't want to have to look for Blake's 7
posts in rec.arts.tv.uk, rec.arts.drwho, rec.arts.sf.misc, aus.sf,
rec.arts.startrek.misc *and* rec.arts.sf.tv!  And I think having
a group of its own will encourage Blake's 7 fans to get together;
I would expect its traffic to increase if it had its own group.
(for one example, I would have a good place to post my list-of-address
info which is much too big to cross-post to all those groups I mentioned)

As someone said earlier, an alt group would not solve this problem,
becuase those who can't get alt would still be posting to these other
groups, and you'd be cross-posting alot.

Come on, long live B7!
(Any millionaires willing to give Terry Nation money for a spin-off?)

Kathryn Andersen
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	-- Vila Restal	(Blake's 7: Time Squad [A4])
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From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: More on CFR's
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:31:05 GMT
Organization: Marsnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

The point of removing a group is not to save the admin time!!! as stated by
someone.  It is to save the time of the new user who has to wade through all of
these groups before they can read anything.   Agreed probelly most of the groups
are still used and should stay, but if we get rid of almost all of the
unused/unwanted groups it might become managable again. 

As to the actual procedure I will wait til there is some agreement then post
the 2nd draft and see if there are any more problems then I will send it to 
spaf.
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From: Albert_Crosby
Subject: REC.GAMES.ABSTRACT would be my choice...
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:06:23 GMT
X-Posted-From: advlab03.uark.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

My choice for a group to split rec.games.board would be rec.games.abstract.

While not necessarily intuitive, the meaning is clear to me.  It is for games 
that deal with abstract concepts, rather than simulations.

I, personally, might consider war games as belonging in a group named
rec.games.strategic.  I probably would look for games that are purely
mental, i.e. don't use cards, markers, or boards, in rec.games.abstract.
From: pgreen@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Philip Green)
Subject: Do any groups cover Genealogy?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:43:20 GMT

Are there any groups that discuss genealogy? 

Thanks

-- 
Phil Green                           	pgreen@aoc.nrao.edu
NRAO					505.835.7294
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From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: percussion news group
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:40:35 GMT

I am the moderator of a mailing list that deals with
drums and percussion.  Many of my subscribers feel there
is more than enough traffic to start a newsgroup.  I also
have seen talk about such a newsgroup elsewhere.  I would
like to propose an unmoderated newsgroup: rec.music.percussion
I should already have enough people willing to vote for its
creation.  As I am unfamiliar with the process of creating
a newsgroup I would like someone to contact me as to what to
do next.  Please mail me as soon as possible at:
boarjas@elof.iit.edu

Thank you
Jason Boardman.


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From: os9ug@gkcl.ists.ca (OS-9 User Group)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.diplomacy
Reply-To: sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin Wells)
Organization: y
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 07:23:53 GMT

In article <BtvJw8.JLz@uunet.uu.net> nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick) writes:
>This is a Request For Discussion on the creation of a newsgroup for
>the Game of Diplomacy.


This sounds like a good idea to me.  Perhaps you could include in
the mandate for the group some of the following things:

(1) Keeping a public list of addresses of diplomacy players
(2) (the obvious) maintaining a FAQ for diplomacy

Oop.  I thought I could think of more, but I'm too tired.  Anyway,
sounds like a good idea.

Justin
sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin Wells)

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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: The "gilley" (was: Re: Boring!)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:17:59 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener):
>I think one gilley was the act of bogotoficiously comparing the shutting
>down of 1000 machines for a day with the killing of one person...

Oh.  Alok isn't in the one-gilley range: he rates a kilogilley.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: axs@cs.bham.ac.uk (Aaron Sloman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.lang.pop
Summary: yes please
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:31:45 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

sfk@otter.hpl.hp.com (Steve Knight) writes:

> Article: 1631 in news.groups
> Path: news.cs.bham.ac.uk!uknet!mcsun!uunet!olivea!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hpscdc!hplextra!otter.hpl.hp.com!otter!sfk
> Date: 25 Aug 92 16:31:10 GMT
> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
>
> I think that comp.lang.pop is an excellent idea -- and not before time, too.

I agree.
-- 
Aaron Sloman, School of Computer Science,
The University of Birmingham, B15 2TT, England
EMAIL   A.Sloman@cs.bham.ac.uk
Phone: +44-(0)21-414-3711       Fax:   +44-(0)21-414-4281
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From: techy@iastate.edu (Troy A Rutter)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.babylon5
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:15:54 GMT


 
>    Let me make sure I have this straight: You want to start a group for
>a TV show that hasn't even started yet so you have no idea if anyone
>will even like the thing. And you want it to be a mainstream group in
>the rec.arts.sf.* hierarchy even though the show could be cancelled
>after a single season. And to top it all off, you haven't even followed
>the correct procedure for posting an official RFD. Sounds to me like the
>group you want is alt.tv.babylon5. Why don't you try the proposal out in
>alt.config and see what kind of response you get.
 
Please let me explain...

I DID follow the correct procedure.. according to the FAQ I can do the following:
1) Post a message to the moderated group and wait for the message to be dispersed to the other groups.
2) Post 2 messages.. one to the moderated group, another to the other groups to have immediate discussion.

If in doubt, read the FAQ.

As for startig the new group, rec.arts.startrek.misc and the other trek hierarchies ALREADY have enuff B5 traffik to warrant the new group..  Quite frankly, there is more talk about B5 going on than a lot of other things.  

I appreciate your concern, but I am positive i have followed procedures and there is sufficient interest to warrant the creation of this newsgroup.
-- 
-Troy Rutter        |  Another Budding Programmer of the rare
Iowa State Univ.    |      species of technobabblonians.
Project Vincent     |
  "If you prick me.. do I not...  leak?"   -LtCmdr Data- ST:TNG
From: FURRJK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 1 Sep 1992 02:27:29 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I don't understand something here.  Alok et al are raving on about how
soc.culture.indian.american was defeated due to a campaign of bigotry and
lies or something, and people are responding by pointing out that the
whole pro-s.c.i.a. thing had breached guidelines, or something.  Then too,
I've seen several posts whining about how s.c.i.a. was beloved by its users
and so forth, and how cruel it was of us, the USENET overlords, to take it
away from them.

Did someone forget to mention that the reason an awful lot of people cited
as the reason for voting against soc.culture.indian.american was the fact
that its name was a crawling horror from the sewers of hell, or whatever
that phrase is the DaSilvas like?  As I said at the time, everyone I asked
(a couple dozen people, if I recall correctly) assumed that soc.culture.
indian.american was about American Indians.  Native Americans.  Amerinds.
EVERYONE assumed that.  When I told them that it was intended to be about
ASIAN Indians living in the USA, they all went "Huh?"

When the six months finish elapsing from the last defeat of soc.culture.
indian.american, I hope that if it must be dragged out again, it will have
a better name proposed.  If the backers obstinately propose to call it
'soc.culture.indian.american' again, it's gonna get pounded again.  Sigh.

Anyway, this is just my $0.02 worth on this whole 'USENET-is-out-to-get-you'
hoorah, s.c.i.a. Lost Cause-ites.
From: leue@crd.ge.com (Bill Leue)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Straw Poll on Gnuplot newsgroup name
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:10:46 GMT
Reply-To: leue@crd.ge.com
Organization: General Electric Research & Development

InfoWorld recently had an article about Microsoft thinking about porting
Excel and other MS apps to Unix systems.  Does anyone in this group
have information about ports to SunOS (Solaris 1.x or 2.0) and SPARCsystems?

Thanks!
-Bill Leue
leue@crd.ge.com
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.org.lpf.news moderated, comp.org.lpf.talk
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:43:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Sep2.164321.18898
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark


	Oh great!!! Now all the smaller groups are going to be wiped out
by the news.groupies during Summer and Winter breaks...  as if they
won't be recreated a few months later.

						Angela M. Watson
						aka psycho kitten
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From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Subject: Re: RFD: Removal of Unused Newsgroups
Followup-To: news.groups
Summary: Objection to proposed guideline
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:05:38 GMT

aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman) writes:
|
|                 The Need for a Call for Removal (CFR)
|                         Procedure for UseNet:
|                Formal Proposal for New UseNet Guideline

|       Procedural Details:
| 
|               Following the normal Request for Discussion (RFD)
|       procedure a call to vote on a CFR can be made.  The vote will proceed
|       in the normal voting procedure.  The only difference is that only a
|       2/3 majority is needed for the CFR to pass not the normal 2/3 and
|       100 more yes then no votes (see note 1 for reasons for this).

    In my opinion, newsgroup removal should be MORE difficult to pass than
newsgroup creation.  I believe that newsgroup removal should be predicated
by a lack of supporters, rather than a preponderance of the opposition.  A
better set of criteria would be the failure of some minimum number of
people (say 200) to voice their support for the group.  Whatever the
number chosen is, it should be somewhere around a small number to justify
a usenet newsgroup, and a large, but not unwieldy number for a mailing
list.

    In addition, some minimum number of people (say 100) should be
required to initiate a call for removal.

    In addition, there should be some stipulation regarding appropriate
waiting periods following newsgroup creation that this process can be
initiated (I suggest six months).

______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Hollasch                                   Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
hollasch@kpc.com                                 Santa Clara, California
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: Removal of Unused Newsgroups
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:45:07 GMT

In <1992Sep2.184132.6641@tfs.com> paigen@tfs.com (David Paigen) writes:

>I agree.  Our active file is over 1900 lines now, and 25% of those
>groups are alt.groups.  A brief glance would imply that maybe a
>quarter of these are 'joke' groups, like
>	alt.american.automobile.breakdown.breakdown.breakdown
>and
>	alt.business.multi-level.scam.scam.scam.

Voting to remove an "alt" group is a waste of time.  Someone (Becker?) will
just issue a newgroup.
--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
My interaction with our news system is unstable; if you want to be sure I see a post, mail it.
From: hooverb@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce Hoover,Armstrong)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.abstract
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:18:32 GMT
Originator: hooverb@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu

From article <1992Aug27.211626.13584@ists.ists.ca>, by os9ug@gkcl.ists.ca (OS-9 User Group):
> 
> Furthermore, over the last few days rec.games.board has been getting
> some 40+ messages a day, so I hardly would call it low volume.
>
Yeah, but about half of them are involved with this discussion, and are
there because they are being posted in the wrong place. (i.e. not in
news.groups).

It is probably typical to see 20-30 a day at most, and that is low
volume compared to a lot of groups.\


Bruce Hoover

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