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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:07:42 PST
From:         Paul Franklin <pfranklin@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Bobbie Riconosciuto speaks out/INSL
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Date: December 12, 1992
Place: Public Forum, Louden Nelson Center, Santa Cruz, California.

Dave: Bobbie, could I just jump in here for a second?  I think
what you're talking about now and some of the experiences you had
in relation to the way you (muffled). Of course Michael has all
sorts of sensitive information which are pertinent not only to
this current investigation which touches on a lot of other
national security operations, but neither you nor your children
have been involved in any of this stuff, except in so far as
you've been married to Michael.
     And by way of pointing out - now the first part of the
lecture this evening, what I was doing was outlining the
historical underpinnings, the historical background to the
disintegration of freedom.  Now I've taken it up, in this
country, through 1950, and as the Cold War developed and as the
influence of the Gailen (sp?) Organization, as well as the wishes
of that element of our financial and industrial infrastructure
was explicitly pro-fascist, and that was a controlling element,
as they were able to achieve their political will in the United
States, our political system and our judicial system were
basically turned fascist.  The civil liberties which most of us
take for granted were completely undermined.  This process
reached a head with the assassination of President Kennedy, and
with the other political assassinations in this country.
     But the upshot of the Cold War, and of the development of
history as I've been outlining it has been to achieve a state in
which the United States is no longer a democracy in which the
freedoms which most of us take for granted simply do not exist,
if there is sufficient power brought to bear.  I think your
situation Bobby and that of your children serves as sort of a
window on what can happen to any "innocent" human being if in
fact the totalitarian system which has been brought to power, in
this country, as a result of the Cold War, and of the line of
historical development going all the way back to the invention of
fascism in the late 1920's, and this pattern of political
reaction that I've been tracing so far up through 1950, now it
has come to the point in the 1990's when things like this can
happen to innocent women and children.
     And it should be noted that in Nazi Germany, in Mussolini's
Italy, in the military dictatorships of Latin America and
elsewhere that have been aided by this country, this is the kind
of pressure that is brought to bear.  If you have a labor leader,
a union organizer who the local junta does not like, they grab
his wife and kids and they basically say "Well you've got two
choices.  You can sign this piece of paper which will incriminate
you and your whole union for subversive activity in which case
we'll intern you all in Dawson Island Prison, or, you know, we'll
send you your children's eyes one at a time.  Now you have your
choice."  Now, we have achieved a state in this country where
exactly this kind of maneuvering can be brought to bear, and
again this is not to function in an exhibitionistic way about
your situation, but tying in what's happening to you, (muffled)
it was a line of historical development that I've been tracing,
this is what it comes to, and I'm going to give you some
(muffled) we've got another half hour.
     But ultimately, as the economy disintegrates, and our
economy is going to get worse, not better, and as the environment
disintegrates and the physical environment, the ozone layer et
cetera is going to get worse, the amount of freedom that can be
allowed the average citizen is going to disintegrate along with
it, it's going to be reduced along with it.  Technology, genetic
engineering, so called UFO's, the use of weather and seismic
weaponry, these things are under advanced states of research and
development.  All of this is ultimately going to be used to
create what I see as a technologically based theocracy in which,
essentially a totalitarian state of government, based on the use
of sophisticated use of technology will be used to maintain the
rest of the human race in a state of total subjugation for the
duration, and eventually this will be moved out into space.
     This is what I see for the future, if I don't get a chance
to tell you any more about it.  Where we are in late 1992 is at a
stage of development which is exemplified by what has happened to
Bobbie and her children, who are innocents caught up in a
national security scandal.  Again, take a look at what can happen
to the judicial process, what can happen to the freedoms that
most of us take for granted when sufficient pressure is brought
to bear.  This is the kind of political system that attained in
Hitler's Germany, in Mussolini's Italy, only now it attains in
the United States.  The difference is, that in 1992 there is
technology available that was not available to Hitler or
Mussolini, it is available to the political system that has
developed in this country, along the lines of what Hitler and
Mussolini wanted, but with technology they would have envied.

Bobbie: Definitely.  And, I was amazed.  I never had a parking
ticket before, okay?

Would you say a little bit about the Napa arrest and what those
charges were, and which children were involved?

Bobbie: I have four children.  Michael and I have five children
(including) his son.  At the time that I was arrested, the people
in the justice department, the law enforcement people that I've
been in touch with as far as Michael's case went - nearly every
reporter in the country has known where I was for almost a year.
There's never been any move towards my children, or me - well,
very few, how's that?  Nothing I couldn't handle.  But that day I
delivered this letter, I went to Kinko's and made copies of my
letter to Jack Brooks, because as much as I appreciate everything
he's done, I've learned over the last two years that if I really
want anything to have an effect, I need to put at the bottom who
I sent a copy to, and so I included his favorite papers in Texas,
and my friend at People magazine, and as an after thought, I
stopped to give a copy to Harry Martin because his office is
across from Kinko's.
     My children were attending school in Napa: one at the high
school, one at the middle school, and the other two at the
elementary school, that's kind of before you get to Napa.  So I
stopped to drop off this letter, and Harry didn't have time to
talk, which was okay, because I didn't have time either.  I was
in the process of taking my son, who is 16 now, out of that high
school and moving him to a different one for his own good,
because of some difficulties he was having with a couple of
teenagers there that he didn't like.  My kids have been in home
school for many years and they're just now being subjected to the
pressure that I know most kids I know are subjected to all the
time.  Then I went to pick Chris up then I dropped him off to
sign at a school.  I took the three girls with me, all the three
girls with me, went to Kinko's, they helped me, you know, fix my
mistakes with the correction fluid.
     We went back to pick up Chris and the Napa county District
Attorney, his investigator met me at my car and asked me if I was
who I was, and I said yes.  He didn't say that I was under
arrest, he didn't say there was a charge against me.  He asked if
I would walk away from the car to talk to him for a minute, "Just
to clear something up."  At that particular time I honestly
thought that my son had finally and truly lost his temper and
punched this boy in the face while I was gone.  So I said
"Certainly."  And I said "Did Chris do anything wrong?"  He said
"No no no, we just need to clear something up." and he walked me
over to his car.  He reached into the front seat of this red
sports car that he was driving and he said "Are these your
children, and is this you?"  He showed me the pictures from the
Justice Departments little branch called The National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children, which used to be a private
organization, and it is no longer.  It is a part of the Justice
Department.  Ninety percent of those children have something to
do with a custody problem - they're with one of their parents,
most of them.  Very few of them are missing for another reason.
My children, they would not give my ex-husband the time of day
until after Michael was arrested.  In April (1991), after Michael
was arrested ... suddenly, I started, in the mail, from ADVO
(sp?), getting my youngest child's picture, along with mine,
"Have you seen us?" from all my friends.  All over the country.
"Guess what I got in the mail?  A good picture of Kate, eh, you
don't look so good."  So, when he asked me, what could I say?  In
one hand I've got these letters to the Brooks committee, and this
man on the other side of me is asking me "Is this you and are
these your children?"  And I said "Oh ya," not a bad picture, I
wish they wouldn't of stolen them out of the house, but, you
know, hey, we have to do what we can these days, I guess.  I paid
for those pictures, I said "I paid for those."
     About that time the District Attorney got in the back seat
and said "You're not in control here anymore.  You're under
arrest."  I said "No I'm not.  He didn't tell me I was under
arrest, I'm just talking to him."  You guys need to understand
that my husband just filed some papers this morning and I'm in
the process of working with the Brooks committee.  Call Jack
Brooks, he'll vouch for me, I'm just a mom.  He said "Nope, cuff
her."
     I have to say, that for the most part, the law enforcement,
and the people on the level that I had to deal with as
individuals in Napa county were very very straight forward, when
they got the facts in the case.  They were very cordial when they
could be.  Had it not been for some of them, bad things could
have really happened.  They were very careful.  Because at the
time I was also in the process of moving classified documents in
the back seat of my car.  And so, I told my children to get out
of the car, when I walked away the first time, my son locked it
and put the keys in his pocket, they were still standing with the
car, and before they took me away, they had called the local
squad car to show up and I looked at the man and I said "Don't do
this in front of my babies, we don't have to do it this way," and
he agreed, even though the D.A. was hoping mad.  He covered my
hands with the newspaper and drove me over to where my kids were
standing so I could tell Liz not to be scared.  I asked Julie "Do
you have my address book?"  She said "Yep."  I said "Call Harry
first and call Virginia second and tell her what's going on
because this is not okay."  I didn't know it, but the third call
she made was to an attorney, for herself and her siblings.  I
guess something hit home.
(to be continued)
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