From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Observations
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:39:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<1992Sep3.204116.10797@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick) said:
>chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) writes:
>: . . .
...
>Try setting up a "pregnancy simulator abortion center" and see how many
>protesters you will find.  The value of the child is the driving force
>behind the pro-life movement.  

Nah, if it was there wouldn't be so many of them that would allow abortion
in the case of rape and incest.

>                               Almost none of the pregnancies that are
>terminated in abortion centers are pregnancies resulting from rape.
>Sure, rape happens and it is a gross violation of women's rights, but
>abortion centers do not survive on the funds derived from abortions due
>to rape.  Abortion centers survive on the funds of those who choose to
>use abortion as a last-ditch method of birth control when others have
>failed or have failed to be used.  The baby did not get there by someone
>strapping him or her to the outside of the woman with a bomb.  Nearly
>every child arrives in the womb due to the wilfully exercised passions
>between a woman and a man, and in any case, the baby is not at fault.

There is no baby in a woman's womb.

>On a slightly different topic, have any of you seen the Nightline interview
>of Bailey who is running for Congress on a pro-life platform?

I saw it.

>                                                               Apparently
>he has taken hold of the law prohibiting the television censorship of
>campaign ads and has used it to bring to the people in full color a clear
>view of the products of abortion.  A living, smiling baby was shown first
>followed by a shrivled up late-term aborted baby, slightly brown and slightly
>pale slumped over in a corner.  Tiny, bloody hands and feet were shown.

Cool.

>Someone--perhaps a physician--using white plastic tweezers reassembled a
>small child on an off-white board--a leg here, an arm there, half a head
>with an eye still in place over on the upper right, etc.

Awesome.  I saw some stuff like this in Wes Craven movies too.  Were those
real ghouls because they *looked* like real ghouls?

>One man was suing over the distress this could bring to children, however
>he didn't have an answer for why these ads were being singled out instead
>of other grotesque shows on T.V.  

Yes, he did.  Grotesque TV programs can be planned for.  A parent can
look at the TV guide and decide if their child should view the movie or
show.  However, commercials appear seemeingly at random and there is no
opportunity for a parent to protect their child.  The man stated this very
clearly.  Why do you pretend that he didn't say this?

>                                  A pro-choice feminist challenged the
>honesty of his ads saying that a tiny fetus was blown up to cover the whole
>screen.  But what could be said?  It was there in color for the world to
>see.

It was grossly (no pun intended) misrepresented.  That was her point.  You
take something that is only 1/2 inch and you blow it up to fill a 27 inch
TV screen.  That's misrepresentation.

>I believe these ads are beginning to spread and are here and there in spotted
>places in several states across the country.  Do any of you have any thoughts
>on this and what is likely to become of it?

I really don't care one way or another.  I have no children to damage
through the display of gory sensationalism.  I personally think that this
Bailey guy is a hypocrite to "care" so much about "unborn children", but
not care that he could be doing phycological damage to already born
children.


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel,
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), and Diana (Sorceress), 
and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it all.
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