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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:48:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.133539.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.133543.14393@fy.chalmers.se>, f92bjsa@fy.chalmers.se (Bjorn Sandberg) writ 
>> Ok, whatever the reason for SPREADING the wings is, what is the reason
>> for pulling them in?
>> I think that while traveling through hyperspace, it is a concern to minimize the ship's area, so that particles will hit the ship more seldom. I know, pulling the wings closer to the ship doesn't decrease the area, but what about hyperspace gas laws? A 
>> Besides, it would be a little hard to land with the wings spread out...
>> C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately three thousand, seven hundred and twenty to one.
>> 
>> Han: Never tell me the odds!
>> 		-- BJORN
>
>     This leads me to another question about this fictional space travel:  
>What exactly is hyperspace?  I understand the concept of the Star Trek
>engines.  In essence a warp field is placed over the ship and it is this
>field pocket which travels through space and the ship just happens to be in it.
>   What is the overall concept of hyperspace?  This could lead to alot of
>explanation on this x-wing business.
>                                         John
	I think the SW system is more rational. Basically going warp
would involve flitting through space as if one were to flit one's
fingers through the strands of a loom lengthwise, assuming the
strands are not taught.  Taught strands would exist in very massive
areas.  Thus, routes need to be plotted to avoid this density.
The drive would have to create an artificial system apart from
the natural system which invovles such limitations as the speed
of light.   This artificial system would be akin to a natural
system otherwise, but would not exist in nature of itself and thus
could only be found in bizarre cases or cases where intelligence has
asserted itself.
			John
note:You can tell us apart because I only use about three tabs for my name.
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: X-Wing and the Mac
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:15:34 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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Summary: No x-wing for the Mac
Keywords: x-wing, mac, lucasarts

Well, here is the letter (edited, but I put comments on what was edited
out - everything related to the subject is included) I recieve from
Khris Brown at LucasArts concerning X-Wing and the Mac.

================== Begin Quote ======================

[ Mail header and greeting deleted ]

In other news, we don't plan on porting any of our flight simulators to the
Macintosh.  The flight engine and languages we use unfortunately aren't very
adaptable to that platform. 

[ Questions on a different topic deleted ]

Best Wishes,
Khris 

	[ Copy of letter being replied to deleted ]

============= End Quote ============================
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Model kit re-releases
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:53:14
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn's message of Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:11:46 GMT

>>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:11:46 GMT, phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) said:
carlosn> Originator: news@nimaster

carlosn> In article <1ifrufINN854@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)  
carlosn> writes:
> 
> In July the following model kits will be re-release from AMT/ERTL
> 
> Darth Vader figure
> Shuttle Tyderium
> Snap Together AT-ST
> Rebel Base Action Scene (diorama)

carlosn> Star Destroyer out of them, which was one of the only two
carlosn> ships that I don't have in some kind of format.  (Other one
carlosn> being the elusive TIE bomber.)

The TIE Bomber was never released as a "model" kit. 
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From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 12:42:36 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Dec31.233918.7198@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:

>Also note: Never had any other saber suffered from "shortening", which puts
>the "viewer angle" counter-theory in serious doubt.
>
>I really recommend you rewatch the Ben-Vader duel scene and look for this
>saber-shortening. It really is there.
>

I have watched it many times looking for exactly what you are talking
about.  I saw no shortening.  I saw Ben standing, facing the camera,
with Vader between him and the camera (Ben on left of screen, Vader
on right).  Ben is backing up, Vader is teasing him, thrusting the saber
periodically.  Ben is using little circular motions to fend off the
attacks.  Ben's saber appears short in this scene, but it is because
it and Ben are facing the camera.

I think you are confused with a scene in "Spaceballs" - "My schwartz is
 bigger than your schwartz!".

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:50:40 GMT

In article <HAGERMAN.93Jan7130122@rx7.ece.cmu.edu> hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman) writes:
>braun@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Richard Braun) writes:
>>
>> As for C3PO's storytelling ability, maybe he was just lying to Luke. He knew
>> he was a great storyteller but didn't want to waste his time telling some
>> yokel his life story after a rough day of dodging the empire.
>
>I don't buy it.  If that were the reason, then it would never have
>been brought up in the script.  The script is tight; Lucas would only
>include something like this for the purpose of character development.
>And I (still) think it is more in C3PO's character to not be a story
>teller.  I think the change in RotJ was part of the Ewok sellout (ie,
>cuteness == bucks).
>
>- John
>--

Thank you for an admission that there is an inconsistency.  Why is it so hard
for some people to admit that the trilogy, as shown in the theaters, isn't
perfect????


-Brian

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From: Michael_Hilgers@k.maus.de (Michael Hilgers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: the Vader in DARTH VADER
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:42:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
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In an article Chris Magarelli (magarell@dimacs.rutgers.edu) writes:

m>In article <1993Jan5.060038.29639@cc.umontreal.ca>
m>kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:
m>
 >Ever wonder about the name DARTH VADER? Check out this little session
 >with the electronic Webster dictionary I just had:
 >
 >|webster>DEFINE VADER
 >|
 >|SPELLING
 >|1 voder
 >|
 >|webster>DEFINE VODER
 >|
 >|DEFINITION 0
 >|vo.der \'vo-d-*r\ n [voice operation demonstrator] : an electronic
 >device |that is capable of producing a recognizable approximation of
 >speech
 >Does anybody know where the name DARTH VADER comes from really? To me,
 >it sounds like "DEATH VODER" -- The voice of death
 >--
 >___                                ___               ,   ^             ,
 >=*=        Odisseas Kosmatos       =*=  "Cul bien vide, tete plein
 >d'idees." =*=    kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca   =*=
 >=*= shammer@mafalda.math.mcgill.ca =*=
m>
m>     To me, it always sounded like a contraction of "DARk deaTH
m>inVADER".  There's another possibility -- Does anybody know if "vader"
m>means "father" in some language?  It sounds like it might.
m>
m>          Chris Magarelli
m>--
m>
m>          Chris Magarelli

It indeed does. In "dutch" it means "father" but it's written "vadder".

Michael
Cologne, Germany
Michael_Hilgers@K.maus.de
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From: becka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rebecca Lynn Sparling)
Subject: the second Zahn book
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 03:47:30 GMT

just wondering if anyone knows if the paperback version of the second Zahn novel is out yet... im a college student too poor to buy hardbacks but i cant find the paperback anywhere.  any help is appreciated, both with the book and with this computer thing; im pretty clueless so hpoefully ive got this right :)
respond to becka@leland.stanford.edu... thanx!
From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: the Vader in DARTH VADER
Summary: vader=voder
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:00:38 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Ever wonder about the name DARTH VADER? Check out this little session
with the electronic Webster dictionary I just had:

|webster>DEFINE VADER
|
|SPELLING
|1 voder
|
|webster>DEFINE VODER
|
|DEFINITION 0
|vo.der \'vo-d-*r\ n [voice operation demonstrator] : an electronic device
|that is capable of producing a recognizable approximation of speech

Does anybody know where the name DARTH VADER comes from really?
To me, it sounds like "DEATH VODER" -- The voice of death
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=*=        Odisseas Kosmatos       =*=  "Cul bien vide, tete plein d'idees."
=*=    kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca   =*=
=*= shammer@mafalda.math.mcgill.ca =*=
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars New Movie
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:15:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de (Joachim Hoss) says:

>Hi!
>
>A few months ago (In july, I think) there was an ad in a magazine in Berlin,
>Germany. It was from Fox Germany and they were lokking for: "...extras for the
>Film STAR WARS: The Fall Of The Republic." I don't know wether it was some kind
>of Hoax or not.

It's a hoax.  Fall of the Republic is the name of a bogus story treatment
that's been floating around since 1983.  Besides, I don't think he'd be
filming in Germany.

On the other hand, did you say that the magazine was from  Fox Germany?
As in 20th Century Fox?   If so, or if anyone else has seen this, I
would really appreciate a photocopy of it mailed to me at the magazine:

Box 25704
Garfiled Hts, OH
44125
USA

Thanks.

----  TJ

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Subject: Re: X-Wing and the Mac
From: dimshftr@netlink.cts.com (Adam Tow)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:46:29 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:

> I recently e-mailed LucasArts about X-Wing and if they will make it for
> the Mac.  Unfortunately, they said that (for some reason) the flight
> engine won't work (something with porting it over I think).  I can copy their
> actual response publicly, if anyone wants me to.

        Yes, I'd like to see their reply to your X-wing for the Mac 
question. Thanks...

-adam
> 
> 	Thanks
> 	Robert Fentiman
> 
> UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
> At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
> 



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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Played X-Wing
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:37:27
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: joshuali@usc.edu's message of 11 Jan 93 18:59:59 GMT


I want it, I want it!!!!!

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Subject: Re: Another error?
From: wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:29:38 -0600
 <HAGERMAN.93Jan7130122@rx7.ece.cmu.edu> <1ihunjINN41p@shelley.u.washington.edu>
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1ihunjINN41p@shelley.u.washington.edu>, watters@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters) writes:
> 
> 
> I don't think I'd agree with either.  I always thought that the reason C3PO
> said he wasn't very good at telling stories was that he honestly didn't
> BELIEVE he was.  3PO's character is pretty uptight and fairly insecure
> (With the possible exception of bragging about how many languages he knows)
> It's within character to claim he's no good at telling stories, even when
> he really is pretty good.
> 
> OTHER POSSIBILITIES:
> 

[DELETED]
 
> Weenie/ cop-out:
> 	He got some new programming.  :)
> 
> mike
> 
 
Or, as I am surprised that no one has pointed out yet, maybe when Chewbacca was
repairing C3PO on Bespin he crossed a few wires, made a few errors, whatever,
that somehow turned 3PO's hardwired programming into the story teller he never
was.  Think about it... 3PO torn literally apart and then put together by a
Wookiee with no tools... makes sense to me.

-- 

          "I have a new strategy, Artoo. Let the Wookiee win." - C3PO

          "Let the flesh control the mind." -Lestat deLioncourt

          "In the Troopers, it's always bowb your buddy week." - Bill

      If these were opinions, Mankato could care less that I had them, but
                            there not.

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From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Re: Model kit re-releases
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:11:46 GMT

In article <1ifrufINN854@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)  
writes:
> 
> In July the following model kits will be re-release from AMT/ERTL
> 
> Darth Vader figure
> Shuttle Tyderium
> Snap Together AT-ST
> Rebel Base Action Scene (diorama)
> 
> -- 
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Anyone from the NYC area.  On 5th and 35th (I'm not sure about the street  
number but I can check if anyone really wants to know) there is a store called  
the "train and plane shop."  They have a huge collection of models and among  
them are the four models mentioned above (from their previous release in '89)   
I was just there two weeks ago, so I know they have these.  I even got a nice  
Star Destroyer out of them, which was one of the only two ships that I don't  
have in some kind of format.  (Other one being the elusive TIE bomber.)


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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Why Ben trained Luke instead of Leia
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:43:24 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

Someone asked why Ben trained Luke instead of Leia.  The answer is
obvious: he never met Leia.  During the hologram in ANH, Leia mentions :
"...you fought with my father in the Clone Wars..." as well as other
similar references.  This was not an example of how people who know each
other would speak.  I'd say this is good evidence that they had not met 
prior to this.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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From: kandzior@gmd.de (Alexander Kandzior)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:38:10 GMT

In article 2667@vax1.mankato.msus.edu, wookiee@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

> Or, as I am surprised that no one has pointed out yet, maybe when Chewbacca was
> repairing C3PO on Bespin he crossed a few wires, made a few errors, whatever,
> that somehow turned 3PO's hardwired programming into the story teller he never
> was.  Think about it... 3PO torn literally apart and then put together by a
> Wookiee with no tools... makes sense to me.

Chewbacca did not repair 3PO, he just fixed him so that he could talk/see again.
It was R2-D2 who did the real job, and I think that R2 would make no such
mistakes as to 'connect the wrong wires'.

Because 3PO is a droid, his talking ability comes most likley from a
build-in computer-programm. Connecting some wires wrong could erease 
or damage this programm, but would most likley no re-programm it.

However, by the time of ROTJ 3PO has been around humans for some years,
and perhaps his programm is some kind of A.I. which adopts to his
environment (like that of the 'Terminator'  in T2). 
By the time of ANH, 3PO was just a protocol droid, so he might not have had talked
much with humans aside from the neccesary 'Yes sir', 'No Sir' etc.
(Just translating isn't quite the same as having a conversation).
Look how few conversation 3PO has when serving in Jabbas Place. 
Because Luke, Han, and Leia treat 3PO as a friend rather than a simple
Droid, his behaviour might have changed. Remember that ROTJ takes place
2 or more Years after ANH - that should be enough time for the A.I. to adopt 
some new behaviours.


So long...

  Alex :-)

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Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber.
From: husty@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:47:04 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center
Keywords: Luke, lightsaber

In article <1is55uINN6st@aludra.usc.edu>, zawarski@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Zawarski) writes:
> 
>  Here is something I have not seen discussed or in the FAQ.. why, in ROTJ,
> does Vader say to Luke, while looking at Luk's lightsaber, "you have built
> your own lightsaber, Obi-Wan has taught you well.." (or something like.)
> So , is Luke a machinist or what? Did he build it from scrap? What's the
> big deal? I thought it was all in how you use it? What's so great about his
> saber? "Give me a good blaster anyday.."          Rob.
> 
	According to the SWRPG, part of a Jedi's training envolves construction
	of a light saber.  Thus, when Vader saw a newly constructed light saber
	he knew the level to which Luke had achieved.  The idea is the saber
	could be constructed from pre-fabricated parts.  The jewels used to 
	focus the beam could be natural or the Jedi could "forge his own."
	Besides that, I liked the green one much more than the old blue-white
	one that used to be Anakin's.  Anyone agree??
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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Subject: Re: the Vader in DARTH VADER
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:49:49 GMT

In article <Jan.5.02.08.36.1993.27146@dimacs.rutgers.edu> magarell@dimacs.rutgers.edu (christopher magarelli) writes:
>
>     To me, it always sounded like a contraction of "DARk deaTH
>inVADER".  There's another possibility -- Does anybody know if "vader"
>means "father" in some language?  It sounds like it might.
>
>          Chris Magarelli

Does German count?  (Dark Father)


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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: the Vader in DARTH VADER
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:24:05 GMT

In article <93006.193629PLK109@psuvm.psu.edu> <PLK109@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>While a linguistic interpretation of how and why Lucas came up with Vader's
>name is interesting, what captures my attention is the same question within
>the fictional universe of Star Wars.  Did Vader pick the name, or did Palpatine
>?  In either case, why "Darth Vader"?

	Actually, it may be that Darth Vader can be analyzed from an
English perspective;

				Evader
				Invader
				vader
	Dark
	Dearth
	Death
	(and so forth, idea being something rather dark and unhappy)
	Darth

		So, if we look at evader and invader, where the
'in' and the 'e' represent some specification of the type of vader,
then a 'dearthvader' would be that beong which travels in the sort
of deathly, unhappy, etc. type business.  The better use would be
'dearthvader' like 'invader' or 'evader.' But, since this is rather
cumbersome or obvious or whatever, the 'darth vader' was used.

				Eh? Was that a flame?
				John