From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.croatia
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Subject: "The Turkish Holocaust" - "K. S. Papazian" - "Hitler's Mentor".
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:29:50 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <C1J71I.41I@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:

Let us see what that beacon of racism has hatched this time - shall
we? Before we move on:

     'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?'
      (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy), 
          "The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi", p. 213.)

As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that 
the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) 

        'leans toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1]

At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would
actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World
War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish
population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological
tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before
the outbreak of the Second World War.

In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted
in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' 

"The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall 
 see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations
 and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to
 the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are
 strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race.
 On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is
 bereft of social sanctities."[2]

[1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press
   1934), Preface.
[2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our
   Refuge' by O. Zarmooni.

The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces,
massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly 
people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated 
the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between 
1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today 
in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide 
that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought 
they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the 
Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian 
terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle 
resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent
Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that 
they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist Armenia 
today.

>>I see that "deception" is a skill that you have mastered well.  
>>120Mb database of "Argic/Mutlu/et al" has nothing to do with me.   Hey,
>>I guess one needs this type of blundering to cover up his shortcomings.
>>The only reason that I have a copy of your gem about Azeris is
>>because I responded to it on January 14, 1992.  Your message was 
>>posted on Jan. 13, 1992 in soc.culture.turkish, talk.politics.mideast, 
>>talk.politics.soviet, soc.culture.soviet, and soc.rights.human.  I must
>>admit that I've remembered a bit wrong offhand by saying that you called
>>Azeris "animals."  Actually, your hatred and bias for them (and 
>>Moslems in general based on the sentiment expressed following the
>>"Poor Azeris!" remark below) went really far.  Let's see who is lying  
>>who is not.
>>
>>Here is the exact excerpt of the posting that I responded last year:  
>>(BTW: this article has been posted by Alex Goykhman who had not yet 
>>assumed the alias, Pickl.. oops! Red Herring then 8-).)
>>
>>
>>   In article <1992Jan13.185240.6952@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>>   >In article <9201111439@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com 
>>   (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>>   >
>>   >>.......... 'At least three times as many Azerbaijanis have been killed 
>>   >>as Armenians were murdered in the Sumgait tragedy. Yet our story is 
>>   >>ignored. Because they are Christian, the central Soviet press is well 
>>   >>as Europe and the United States give them a sympathetic ear. We are 
>>   >>portrayed as wild animals,' says Nadzhar Nadzharov, a department head 
>>   >>at the Azerbaijani Party paper, Barinski." 
>>   >
>>   >    Poor Azeris!  Their credibility is at a low point because of their
>>   >    religion, not because a bunch of them went on a three day rampage 
>>   >    raping, torturing and murdering their Armenian neighbors.
>>   >
>>   >    Whoever portrayed those folks as wild animals owes an apology
>>   >    to the animals - they kill, but they do not rape and torture.
>>
>>------------------
>>
>>Now, you tell me that those last six lines ring a bell or not.  If those
>>are not your remarks, I will admit that I am mistaken and owe you an 
>>apology.  If these are yours (I belive they are), have a decency to shut
>>up by accepting your self exposed feelings about Moslems (be it Azeri, 
>>Bosnian, Turk, etc.).  Because these lines tell it all beyond any doubt
>>on what kind of feelings you espouse regarding Moslems in general.

Ditto. 

>    Those were my remarks, indeed.  What I said was that a bunch of Azeris
>    who participated in anti-Armenian pogroms in Sumgait behaved worse than

You continue to lie there with your brain cells off. That is the 
result of living with the ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals and fascists too 
long and of watching their self-exposed forgeries too much.

AREF  SADIKOV sat  quietly  in the  shade of  a  cafe-bar on  the
Caspian Sea  esplanade of Baku and  showed a line of  stitches in
his trousers, torn  by an Armenian bullet as he  fled the town of
Hojali just over three months ago, writes Hugh Pope.

"I'm still  wearing the same  clothes, I don't have  any others,"
the  51-year-old carpenter  said,  beginning his  account of  the
Hojali disaster. "I was wounded in five places, but I am lucky to
be alive."

Mr Sadikov and  his wife were short of  food, without electricity
for more than a month, and cut off from helicopter flights for 12
days. They  sensed the  Armenian noose was tightening  around the
2,000 to  3,000 people left in  the straggling Azeri town  on the
edge of Karabakh.

"At about 11pm  a bombardment started such as we  had never heard
before,  eight  or  nine   kinds  of  weapons,  artillery,  heavy
machine-guns, the lot," Mr Sadikov said.

Soon neighbours were  pouring down the street  from the direction
of  the  attack. Some  huddled  in  shelters but  others  started
fleeing the town,  down a hill, through a stream  and through the
snow into a forest on the other side.

To escape, the  townspeople had to reach the Azeri  town of Agdam
about 15  miles away. They  thought they  were going to  make it,
until at  about dawn  they reached a  bottleneck between  the two
Armenian villages of Nakhchivanik and Saderak.

"None of my group was hurt up to then ... Then we were spotted by
a  car on  the road,  and the  Armenian outposts  started opening
fire," Mr Sadikov said.

Azeri militiamen fighting their way  out of Hojali rushed forward
to force  open a  corridor for the  civilians, but  their efforts
were mostly  in vain.  Mr Sadikov  said only  10 people  from his
group of  80 made it  through, including his wife  and militiaman
son.  Seven  of  his  immediate  relations  died,  including  his
67-year-old elder brother.

"I only had time to reach down  and cover his face with his hat,"
he said, pulling his own big  flat Turkish cap over his eyes. "We
have never got any of the bodies back."

The first groups were lucky to have the benefit of covering fire.
One hero  of the  evacuation, Alif  Hajief, was  shot dead  as he
struggled to change  a magazine while covering  the third group's
crossing, Mr Sadikov said.

Another hero,  Elman Memmedov, the  mayor of Hojali, said  he and
several others  spent the whole day  of 26 February in  the bushy
hillside, surrounded by  dead bodies as they tried  to keep three
Armenian armoured personnel carriers at bay.

As the  survivors staggered the  last mile into Agdam,  there was
little comfort  in a town from  which most of the  population was
soon to flee.

"The night  after we reached  the town  there was a  big Armenian
rocket attack. Some people just  kept going," Mr Sadikov said. "I
had to  get to the  hospital for treatment. I  was in a  bad way.
They even found a bullet in my sock."

Victims of  war: An  Azeri woman  mourns her  son, killed  in the
Hojali massacre in February  (left). Nurses struggle in primitive
conditions  (centre)  to  save  a  wounded  man  in  a  makeshift
operating  theatre set  up  in a  train carriage.  Grief-stricken
relatives in  the town of Agdam  (right) weep over the  coffin of
another of the massacre victims. Calculating the final death toll
has been  complicated because Muslims  bury their dead  within 24
hours.

Photographs: Liu Heung / AP
             Frederique Lengaigne / Reuter

THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that 
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks 
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists 
                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)