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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How long will Greeks remain uncivilized?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:20:57 GMT





<Bt58ry.CCJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

> You dare to talk, when Turkey's involvement in Cyprus is still alive?
> The fasist, racist, and guilty state of Turkey should first learn Turks to
> close their big mouth. Which you have to do since you are GUILTY.

This joke will open the skies to mankind. While there is a new world
order emerging, to turn around and ask the Turkish Republic of Northern 
Cyprus (TRNC) to dance with an old world tune would not solve any 
problems. Who is ready to claim that 'Greek Cypriots' are not hating 
the 'Turkish Cypriots?' Insisting on not recognizing the TRNC as a 
separate republic and push them to get together with Greek Cypriots
is no different than asking each and every one of the new republics 
of old Soviet Union, Croatia and Slovenia in Yugoslavia to go back 
to the old status quo.


Source: Statement made by Mr. Evangelos Yannopoulus - the Greek Minister
	of Maritime Affairs, ELEFTHEROTIPIA, July 4, 1988

       "The two myths in Cyprus must be exposed as lies. The first myth 
	is the case of missing persons and the second is the myth of the 
	invasion of Cyprus by Turkey. The Greek Cypriots presented as 
	missing persons were actually the victims who were killed during 
	the Sampson Coup. As regards the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, it 
	was the Greek military that staged the coup and toppled Makarios 
	at a time when he was an internationally recognized President of 
	Cyprus. How is it possible to topple Makarios and start slaughtering 
	the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and impose a mad man like 
	Sampson to head the Cyprus Government and yet expect no reaction 
	from Turkey?"

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: errol@leland.Stanford.EDU (errol craig)
Subject: Turks in Greece
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:13:27 GMT

(Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:
>
>I said it in the past I will say it again. If you claim that the
>Greek Cypriots were such bad aggressors, in this case racist and they
>could/can live peacefully with a minority, then you automatically
>claim that Greeks in general are that way. Then, it can be easily
>shown that your claims are false since the Muslim minority in Thrace, Greece,
>(which 50% are considered a Turkish minority) is literally thriving.
>That is, it's standard of living is THREE TIMES higher than that in Turkey.
>They have been in peace in Greece for more than 80 years.

	I would be interested in knowing the source of these  
statistics.  

>
>for the Muslim minority in Thrace, Greece: Beautiful compared to the
>conditions in Turkey. Because Greece is stable, democratic and prosperous
>country and it is a part of the European Community, the wealthiest
>communist in the world. Do you get that, Besime?

	I would contest your claim that conditions in Thrace are
better for Turks than in Turkey, as an American who has been to
Greece and Turkey on several occasions.  In particular I have been to
Thessaloniki, Kavala, and Xanthi. 

	However, you may have a point when you take the economic
considerations of village life in Eastern Turkey into account.  There
are some very sorry and economically depressed areas ( Agri, Kars for
example).  When I was in Kars, nearly every shop had a forsale sign in
the window! 

	I would argue, however, that your claims are exaggerated.  My
impression was that the Turks I saw in Thrace, while not destitue,
were not well off either.

Regards,

Errol
	
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Lets stop illegal posts of "Argic the Imposter" (Kill: Mutlu hbm)
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:18:33 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:



><BtyGzL.5L6@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
>dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)

>>Didn't you know that Mutlu had hauled Cambridge Uni all the way to London?
>>He's a strong boy is Mutlu......came 5th in the Olympics weightlifting y'know.

>This ugly, shuffling "Mid-Morning ruin" could dance. I mean, it had the moves.

Poor..very poor indeed...and bizarre too!!


Dave

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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: 'Greece' And Brotherhood Of International Terror.
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:18:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtpEqz.3Mu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
><BtMHuI.6Mw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

>> It is very interesting to see how the Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit(s)
>> is(are) changing subject. When he(they) sees(see) that he(they) does (do) not 
>'Tamtam' machine always stops. Troglodytism does not necessarily imply 
>a low cultural level, 'tamtam.' Well, anyway...

 Your answer supports my previous comment.  Do you think stupidity is a virtue?

>Hasan B-) Mutlu


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: 'Tamtam:' A Grim Reality.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:16:00 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:


><BtnMwG.5Bq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
>References: <1992Aug27.034946.23143@tygra.Michigan.COM> 
>            <1992Aug27.164231.243@walter.bellcore.com>


>>>Does the usage of  name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" constitutes any forgery 
>>>or crime by HBM who continues to post while the MICHIGAN site is 
>>>temporarly out of service?
>>>[...]

>> What do we have here? Mr. Akgun defending MUTLU (Master Untrue Totally
>> Lying Unit(s))?

>Otamtam. When you have finished 'tamtaming' I'd suggest you answer the 
>points Jewish scholars raised below.

 Why should I answer them?
 Is it going to make any difference?
 Many other neters have proved that Prof. Shaw is wrong in what he writes.
 How has this affected your attidute?  People are laughing at you, and
 you still keep smearing the name of Turkey.

 However, no Turk dares to argue with you.  Mr. Akgun, for example, is
 even affraid to condemn you clearly in the newsgroups.  Who the heck
 are you, the secret Turkish police?

>Hasan B-) Mutlu


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: SDPA Hypocrites Re: Islamic Hypocrites (was A commentary from Islamic Unity Magazine)
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:11:20 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Behnam Sadeghi (bes@cco.caltech.edu) writes:
>1.  It doesn't require a historian to know that Qarebagh (Karabak)
>    belongs to Azerbaijan.

Nagorno-Karabagh belongs to the people who live there. If the
majority of them want to be part of Azerbaijan, Qarebagh also
belongs to Azerbaijan. However, apparently people in Artsakh 
does not want to be part of Azerbaijan.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva
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From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: 'Tsi*'s Inability To Distinguish Between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux.'
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:52:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep1.161952.18417@informix.com> rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia) writes:


> 	But you see even the Montreux Treaty which was between Greece
>     and Turkey could not have an agreement for the demilitarization of
>     the Dodecanese Islands. The reason is that the treaty was signed
>     in 1936 and at the time and until 1947 the islands belonged to
>     Italy.


I'm curious. Does the Treaty name all the Greek Islands that should
be demilitarized or does it say only that the Greek Islands in
the Aegean should be demilitarized ?

If the islands are not named, it can explain why the different
interpretations of the treaty can arise; one claiming that the
treaty covered all the islands, the other claiming that the
treaty covered only the islands that belonged to Greece at the
time.

Does anyone have the exact wording of whatever the treaties were
about ?
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
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From: inandik@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: ( OHIA'dan) Bilgi Araniyor
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:02:00 GMT

        OHIA State'de MBA'e gidecek bir arkadasim icin yardim istiyorum.
        Ohia'da oturan arkadaslardan, ucuz ve iyi otel, youth hostel, kiralik
        ev vs. bilenler lutfen bunu bana mailleyebilirler mi? 
        Universite accomodation saglayamadigi icin( heryer dolu) bu bilgi
        cok ise yarayacak. 
        Ilgilenen arkadaslara simdiden tesekkur ederim.
        Kursat Inandik

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: 'Tamtam:' A Grim Reality.
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:52:46 GMT




<JAAPJL.92Aug28100506@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>
jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)

>[... garbage that does not belong in news.admin...]

I'll respond when you back up your moronic claims. In the meantime,...


Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer 
        No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
        (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, 
        Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)

'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.

"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and
 Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months
 have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I
 have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at 
 almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from
 Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly
 slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to
 save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful
 events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then
 taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people 
 well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these
 places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.
 They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the
 Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality
 problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers
 who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and
 Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...

 They had told me how Armenian gangs murdered 360 Turkish prisoners of war
 in Kars and Alexanderpolis. Russian officers tried to save the Turks and
 there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now
 in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed.
 The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations
 that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I
 could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof
 of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."

                                                     Dr. Stephan Eshnanie

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Lets stop ilegal posts.
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:09:00 GMT

In article <83T8PB2w165w@valpso.hanse.de>, tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
(Manfredo Tichauer) writes:

|>8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
|>
|>> 	It looks our friend that fills the net with posts, (I won't mention
|>> his name because the kill files wll get me :-) has found another method
|>> to post. He uses the newsreader at berkely uni. This is obvious from
|>> the header that contains Sender: deamon@ucbvax.BERKELY.EDU
|>> 	Maybe some of the presure to stop posting has worked and he is forced
|>> to forge the posts so we can't blame him that he does it. Could some one
|>> in authority request that anonymous or forged posting at BERKELY
|>university b
|>> bared. It is to no advbantage to the net. It only assists in
|>damaging the
|>> net.
|>> 	Thanks in advance.
|>> 		George
|>>  
|>
|>
|>I sent a mail to the postmaster of BERKELEY.EDU and here is his
|>reply:
|>
|>
|>!!  Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:32:50 -0700
|>!!  From: root@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mr. UcbVax )
|>!!  To: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
|>!!  Subject: Re: Misusing USENET and berkeley.edu
|>
|>!!  I don't know why you are writing me about this if this person is
|>from 
|>!!  anadolu.michigan.com.  
|>!!  Also the best thing you could do is try to get the groups turned
|>into 
|>!!  modarated groups. 
|>
|>!!  Sorry, but I don't have the time or anyone to pay for my time to
|>get into
|>!!  some  news conflict you might have.
|>
|>Does anybody knows who or which company hides under MICHIGAN.COM ?   
|>
UCBVAX provides a facility which people without NNTP posting privs can
use to post. It is also possible to use it to forge posts through it,
almost all mutlus appear from either this gateway or the Ohio state one,
without exception they are forged and have been so for a very long
while.

I think that Mr UCBvax's reply is disingenuous, providing a method of
abusing the net and then simply saying "oh this is not my problem" when
abuses happen is pretty shoddy behaviour that gets a bad name in
net.land. A single user forging a hundred articles *per day* is plain
stupid, it is obvious that cosar is using a tool to provide the posts
and equally obvious that the posts are mainly repeats of the same old
material.

UCBVAX already has limiting devices to prevent posts with more included
lines than original ones being posted and logs are kept of who posts
what from where (nope it is not really anonymous!). A limit of ten posts
a day or thirty in a week would be justifyable.


Phill Hallam-Baker
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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Yes, Remember Cyprus
Keywords: taksim
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:58:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <Bu0uML.E11@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(Besime Erin) writes:
>
>The ethnic fights had STARTED in Cyprus as early as 1958 and YOU very well
>The Greek Cypriots HAD THE POWER, THE ARMS, THE CONTROL IN THE GOVERNMENT  

In 1958?

>LONG BEFORE 1974. 

How long. Hmmm... How about, say, 1571?

>  Has Greece and the Greek Cypriots paid for their crimes ? Only to a certain
>                                               extent. Thanks to Turkey!

It's not a crime to shoot armed bandits.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Should 'Michailidis' have his posting privileges yanked?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:21:57 GMT





<1992Aug17.175244.20844@parc.xerox.com>
michaili@wakeman.EuroPARC.Xerox.COM (Spyros Michailidis)

>Good idea, but here's a perhaps more interesting variation:
>How about forwarding *all* his postings back to his personal account?

Who says 'palikaryas' are no damn good. Scared of the truth?

 Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus. 
 Date : 1 January, 1964. 

 IL GIARNO (Italy)
 
 THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.

 Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we
 are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people
 abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This 
 time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to 
 cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.

 Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno
 Date: 14 January 1964

 DAILY HERALD (London)

 AN APPALLING SIGHT

And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.
Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb
attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick
and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately
fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted
mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey
ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.

In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16 
wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From
this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village
did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.

Date: 1 January, 1964.

 DAILY TELEGRAPH (London)
 
 GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE

 Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the
 Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found
 crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were
 brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three 
 more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could
 not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to 
 locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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From: cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Armenian Sources On The Armenian Genocide Of The Turkish People.
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:06:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <9208171736.A4795gx@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:


><1992Aug17.124908.5821@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
>
>>appropriate newsgroups. Should Hasan B Mutlu lose his posting
>>privileges? Personally I don't think so, but I'm getting sick of
>>seeing his crap, and all of the heated nationalistic arguments it
>>generates, spilling over into soc.culture.australian. If you find
>
>When you have finished mumbling I'd suggest you answer the points
>'Aharonian' has raised below.
I suggest you stop cross posting like a blithering idiot!!!!

[.... Lots of quoted stuff. Nothing original - as usual. ]


>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
>


Points? There were no points. There were statements about Turkish
history. They still don't belong in a news group on Australian
culture. I wonder if the readers of s.c.t. are as offended by
senseless cross posting as the readers of other news groups. Why is it
that Hasan B Mutlu has to keep broadening the distribution on things?
Is he trying to antagonise people? Is Hasan B Mutlu a representative
Turk? If he is then the way he behaves on the net makes that quote in
his .sig almost start to seem understandable!!! Nobody likes a
festering sore, a continual source of irritation. Does Mutlu's posting
style (no original thought or commentary, huge masses of scanned text
that probably violate copyright laws) offend Turkish people as much as
it offends me?

This article has been directed to soc.culture.turkish ONLY!!!!


	Chris
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