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From: smile1@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (gray,david l)
Subject: Re: Donahue: Options for Kids
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:53:13 GMT

deletions
>Both this case and the case of Gregory K. (who 'divorced' his biological
>mother) give me hope that kids will have a better future when they
>have some empowerment in their own lives. Kids *instinctively* know
>what is best for them and certainly know when they are not really 
>loved. 
>
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>//gisle
>
>
I used to work with abuse children so have have a lot of concern for
their welfare.  However, I think society is not doing it's job.  There
is no reason for adults not to know when a child is being treated poorly.
As adults we have failed to do it so now we tell children they can represent
themselves.  I think it is a bad idea for children to divorce their parents.

The court system deals with wining and lossing not right or wrong.  Divorce
cases are won by legal devices and financial pressure not by logic or fairness.
Children should stay out of that type of environment.

One last comment that I'm sure will get a lot of comment.  Man was made for
God, women was made for man, and children was made for parents and we are
all here to serve God.  I know some people have abused God's word but, that
is how he made things.  I strongly disagree with those who would say I support
parents owning their child and that they can do anything they want because
they kind of own them.  I do not feel that men own their wives either.  
So don't bother saying so because I don't feel that way.  But in
the order of things, parents and adults are responsible for children.
I find that society has been trying to settle out social ills
by reversing everything and it is not working well.  Men and women are 
responsibile for the welfare of our children.  If they don't do their job,,
we don't ask the 10 year old what to do.  We, as adults, with values step in
and do something!!!  I would never trust the welfare of a child to a lawyer.
Never!!!  Their only goal is to take a case and win.

I can understand if you have been abused that you will not feel this way.
You will want to see the child with their own choices.  You may be right
to feel that way because society did not step in for you when you needed
them.  I just feel real strong about society stepping up to their 
responsibility.  Protect our children now and in the future should not
be shuffled off onto our children.  They have enough to worry about without
trying to decide if they need a divorce or need to hang in..

Smile,

Dave
From: nosberg@saims.skidmore.edu (nancy osberg)
Subject: stuck stuck studk
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:14:38 GMT


Your story really saddened me.  Not because Bonnie is dead.  Because
you are alive and so completely wrapped up in worthless pain.  I hope
that doesn't sound critical, but your pain is worthless.  It can't
change anything.  There is absolutely nothing that can change what
happened.  You said it all yourself--you already know the answers to
your healing.  You can't bring her back, not for you or for her
family.  You keep saying your sorry and wish she could hear you.  I
think she does.  I think you need someone to tell you it's okay to get
over this and get on with your life.  YOU CAN'T BRING BONNIE BACK, NO
ONE CAN, and it's time to realize you can't change anything that
happened.  But you can change the future.  I'm sure you've apologized
to Bonnie's family and whether they accept it or not, there is
absolutely nothing you can do, so don't continue to live your life as
if you could.  You are not God (or whatever your higher power may be).
Pray for Bonnie's soul, and then start taking care of your own.
From: ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro E. Gelabert)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Sewing
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:43:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Well, I finally got a sewing machine (for Yule) and have decided not to
be at the mercy of the big & tall stores (fashion and price wise).  Does
anyone out there know of any sources for patterns for large men?  The
catalogs I have seen at fabric stores (mcCalls and Simplicity) usually
only have patterns going up to 48!  Any help in this matter would be
greatly appreciated!
  Has anyone else gone this route? MorF?  Thanks again for any responses
in advance!

Teddy

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From: ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro E. Gelabert)
Subject: Re: Sewing
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Organization: Princeton University
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:39:10 GMT

Thank for the reply!  Do you have addresses for any of these companies?
I havent heard of them yet.  Considering a pattern drafting class myself
actually.
It seems to be the only way to go right now!
Thanks and blessed be!
Teddy
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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: hello there
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:44:27 GMT
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK

>>hunky dorey.  My dad's idea of motivation was the statement (made to me
>>when I was 14) "You know, you're about as sexy as a bag of dirty
>>laundry."  Thanks.  Sure made my day.

Don't mean to insult your family, but what a jerk!!!

>>I saw someone from Boston mention Lane Bryant.  We have LB here too, but
>>they are *awful*.  The selection is all stirrup pants and sloppy
>>sweatshirts, the customer service is non-existant and the saleswomen are
>>all a size 4 (or so it seems to me).

Lane Bryants really seem to vary between stores and towns. I think it may have
to do with the buyer. Ours here in Boston aren't too bad, but I've been in
some that I hate! They do carry WAY too many stirrup pants, and way too few
non-business skirts for my taste. Also, their clothes are incredibly 
overpriced for their quality. The clothes are made passably well for the
usual women's ready-to-wear market, but not worth the prices they ask!

>In defense of Lane Bryant... we have them here in Cali, and I love them. 
>(My mother lives in Atlanta, perhaps I should have her check out the LB
>there.) I am 25 and work in the theatre, so I kinda live in stirrup
>pants or leggings... so that, I like. But, also... our LB's here have
>wonderful skirts, blouses, dresses, and casual shirts and pants. PLUS
>lingerie! 

See? :->
Oh, I like their lingerie, too. In fact, I habitually wear some of it as 
summer clothes. And it often goes on sale.

>My one complain with them is this though... the stockings. 
>I cant find stockings there that fit. (They used to have some, but
>the must have changed manufacturer's because the same size doesnt fit 
>anymore, when I still wear the same size pant. Not even the largest
>size pant they sell... you would think that they would sell stockings that
>would fit up to the largest size pant... weird.)  

I've noticed this, too, and it pisses me off. I've gotten some of my best
tights there, but I just bought a pair a week ago that I can hardly wear.
Much thinner material, and far too small! My older tights were the same 
size, and had comfortable stretching room, but this pair pulls and rolls.
Boo!!!

>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)

Me too. Especially if we can come up with a source that sells very big ones
that aren't aerobics tights (I mean the pastel shiny ones).

Marty



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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

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From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: hello there
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:55:18 GMT

>I have heard that Danskin has large size tights, but have been unable to find
>them in any of the stores in my area.  I wonder if there is a mail order
>source for them?   Anyone know this?

Actually, I know a mail company called Fit To Be Tried carries them, but I've
never ordered tights from them. I did order a Danskin Plus Cotton Basics 
leotard, though, and I've been very pleased with it. The company carries a 
selection of workout clothes as their main line; it's fairly limited to 
basics, but seems to be good quality. Also, I've had very good experiences 
with their customer service; I tried to order two leotards once, and a woman
called me (at work) to tell me that they had run out of them in my size, then
proceeded to describe what they did have in my size over the phone, and even
went to check on a couple of items in their stock (while I waited). I couldn't
decide, so she sent me one leotard, a credit certificate, and a new catalog.
She was completely pleasant the whole time, and everyone I've ever spoken with
there has been extremely nice.

Their address is: Fit To Be Tried
                  4754 E. Grant 
                  Tucson, AZ 85712
                  1-800-669-6409 (charge by phone Mon.- Sat., 10am - 5pm MST) 


Marty



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"Seems like there ought to be a way we could look each other in the eye
To see we're all in this together, and put all thoughts of victory aside.
Seems like there ought to be a way we could turn this fear into trust;
No matter what you say, there has to be a way --
Every living thing is counting on us."      

Marty Hale-Evans                                 M   @   *   O   %   8   U
89 Mass. Ave., Ste. 199, Boston, MA 02115       \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/ \|/

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From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Fat in a Thin World
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:09:42 GMT
From: mydlarz@msen.com (Stephen Mydlarz)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: hello there
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:33:50 GMT
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bennettc (bennettc@mace.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan10.021805.25282@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann) writes:
: >>
: >>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
: >>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
: >>
: >
: >I have heard that Danskin has large size tights, but have been unable to find
: >them in any of the stores in my area.  I wonder if there is a mail order
: >source for them?   Anyone know this?

: Have you tried the Spiegel catalogue "For You"?  I don't know the telephone
: number but just call 800 info 1-800-555-1212 and ask for Spiegel's.  Then
: call and get the catalogue.  In my last one there were opaque tights that
: were 3 pair for $15 and in large large sizes.  It's a great catalogue with
: the usual somethings overpriced but by and large the quality and style is
: great for professional clothes, evening wear, lingerie and casual clothes.
: I like it alot better that Appleseed.

: One comment about Lane Bryant-Where are the business dresses and jackets and
: skirts that can be put together for a suit look?  What are those ruffles
: doing on the dresses?  As for wanting to be hipper-look just who are those
: buyers?  Who does their marketing research?  The researchers must only talk to
: focus groups who wander into the Limited.  I mean, where are the classic
: clothes and what about sophistication?  I am 37, I don't want to dress like
: a teenager or a country queen.  Give me some adult clothes!!!!

: Cynthia
:   

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From: rbs@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Rose Sundermeyer)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 13:30:53 GMT
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Organization: IBM Rochester



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I have had real good luck with Stuarts Plus.  Stuarts, itself, is not a large
size store, but they have an offshoot called Stuarts Plus which has some nice
cloths for us larger sized women.  Classy clothes,too, not just plain workable
cloths.  I have also had good luck ordering from Just My Size catalog...they do
sell there mailing list, so once you order something from them, you will get what
seems like EVERY large size catalog put out...not all of which have decent
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From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Sewing
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:38:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA


There's a group called alt.sewing that is a good place to ask
about sewing.  Several of the regulars there wear larger sizes,
so you'll be getting answers based on first-hand knowlege, not
speculation.

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From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann)
Subject: Radiance
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:58:39 GMT

Just had to say that after all the discussion on the magazines awhile back
I searched high and low for <radiance and was unable to find it in my area
so  I subscribed - I already  got my first issue and I love it already!
I plan to order some of the back issues that look interesting too!

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First things first!  Acceptance is the key to a happy life!  I accept me!
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From: mberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Michelle Berteig)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: hello there
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:16:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <1993Jan10.012238.20731@netcom.com> cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher) writes:
[some deleted...]
>
>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>
>-diana

Hi!

I have been searching forever for large size tights!  I too would love to know if
(oops!) if anyone knows where to get them.  And I mean pretty large, 6 feet tallabout 280 lbs, size 28-30W.  I will also put in my 2 cents about Lane Bryant.
Their catalogues are OK (too much polyester), but their stores are great!
I've recently bought there a black suede jacket with fringe, several white
blouses with various front treatments, a black velvet vest with jewel stones andbeads all over it, a gold metallic top and stirrups set, etc.  This is also
in California, so it may be the location.

Take care, everyone.

--Michelle

mberteig@cco.caltech.edu


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From: bennettc@mace.cc.purdue.edu (bennettc)
Subject: Re: hello there
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:56:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.021805.25282@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>>
>
>I have heard that Danskin has large size tights, but have been unable to find
>them in any of the stores in my area.  I wonder if there is a mail order
>source for them?   Anyone know this?

Have you tried the Spiegel catalogue "For You"?  I don't know the telephone
number but just call 800 info 1-800-555-1212 and ask for Spiegel's.  Then
call and get the catalogue.  In my last one there were opaque tights that
were 3 pair for $15 and in large large sizes.  It's a great catalogue with
the usual somethings overpriced but by and large the quality and style is
great for professional clothes, evening wear, lingerie and casual clothes.
I like it alot better that Appleseed.

One comment about Lane Bryant-Where are the business dresses and jackets and
skirts that can be put together for a suit look?  What are those ruffles
doing on the dresses?  As for wanting to be hipper-look just who are those
buyers?  Who does their marketing research?  The researchers must only talk to
focus groups who wander into the Limited.  I mean, where are the classic
clothes and what about sophistication?  I am 37, I don't want to dress like
a teenager or a country queen.  Give me some adult clothes!!!!

Cynthia
From: leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) 
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: hello there
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:35:00 GMT
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Reply-To: leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) 

I just got my first message packet from this conference.  I just wanted
to say hello to everyone and wish you a happy new year.

I have been overweight all of my life, and now at the ripe old age of 30
I think I'm finally able say the word "fat" without cringing.  I was
harrassed and badgered and prodded my whole life long to quite being
such a slob and just DO it - lose that weight and everything will be
hunky dorey.  My dad's idea of motivation was the statement (made to me
when I was 14) "You know, you're about as sexy as a bag of dirty
laundry."  Thanks.  Sure made my day.

However!  I am now married to a man who loves me (proves it every day!)
and was actually worried last year when I started going to Weight
Watchers when pressured to do so by a co-worker.  He just didn't want me
to set myself up for a fall (which, of course, I did anyway).  (P.S. -
Joe is the person who convinced me that sexy lingerie wasn't just for
size sixes.  Whee!)

If anyone of the female persuasion ever comes down to the Atlanta area,
there's a great chain of stores here called Catherine's.  I get all of
my suits there.  And (for "nice" clothes) they're reasonably priced.

I saw someone from Boston mention Lane Bryant.  We have LB here too, but
they are *awful*.  The selection is all stirrup pants and sloppy
sweatshirts, the customer service is non-existant and the saleswomen are
all a size 4 (or so it seems to me).

Looking forward to chatting with all of you...

Leigh
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Moving to Detroit
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:18:05 GMT
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Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I'm going to be moving to Detroit in June and am wondering what large-size
clothing stores there are for women.  Also, my spouse-to-be wears tall
sizes -- anything there for him?

Thanks.  Also ... is there *anything* positive about Detroit?  We'll be
living in Lincoln Park.


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Subject: Fat in a Thin World II
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From: sue@akix.uucp (Sue Raul)
Subject: talk show about fat kids taken from parents
Organization: ALS Imaging
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:38:18 GMT

I saw a bit of a talk show yesterday about
a couple whose children were removed from
the home because they were fat.

Anyone else see this (Jerry Springer) or heard
of the case or similar cases. I think they said
after 8 months they got their kids back and
the case dismissed.  

My reaction: "Oh my God!"

Sue
From: tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: hello there
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:18:05 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, Minnesota. [The Little U]

>
>Does anyone know of anywhere I can get large size colored tights? I prefer
>tights (instead of nylons... last longer, more durable, warmer.. etc.)
>

I have heard that Danskin has large size tights, but have been unable to find
them in any of the stores in my area.  I wonder if there is a mail order
source for them?   Anyone know this?

Toni

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From: mberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Michelle Berteig)
Newsgroups: alt.support.big-folks
Subject: Re: Sewing
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:48:53 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Hi!

In regards to sewing, there are lots of resources (patterns, etc.)
for large women, but I have seen only a few things for large men.
Kwik-Sew has some patterns for large size men.  I bought their
western shirt pattern for myself!  I think Burda has the best men's
patterns, and since they are multi-sized, they might be easier to
adjust.  It would be neat to take a pattern drafting class, then 
you can design any pattern you like to any measurements.

Just a few random thoughts,
Michelle

mberteig@cco.caltech.edu

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