From: othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4))
Subject: Re: A previous challenge to Pak Othman...
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:47:02 GMT

Chua HakLien (chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan9.023533.27039@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:
: >Are you the guy who emailed me? I do not respond to email anymore but I will
: >respond to this.
: I think it would be wiser if you responded by email when people do email you,
: to save bandwidth ( and lots of frustration... ) on the group.

So that the email can be full of even worse unintelligible insults. At least
if they are posted the original poster can show his true self.
	I've even received illogical arguments coming from lecturers that made
me feel that it is a waste of time communicating via e-mail.
	Usenet group will allow us to be corrected, just like Anand. I was not
knowledgeable enough about US contitution to comment on Anand's remarks but
a lot of people actually commented on his obvious error.
: 
: Whether or not "chu of superconductivity" fame or "Sze Ye" are actually    
: Malaysians, or have won/nominated for the Nobel Prize, I think you should have
: tried to check with a RELIABLE source instead of blurting out that some

Is there any source that is 100% reliable?
Do you want me to quote Stait Times which I had proven to be extremely 
unreliable?

: Malaysian Chinese had "won the Nobel Prize etc etc etc." ( I believe in your
This is not strictly what I said. I said former Malaysians because they need
not be Malaysian any more.

: original post you mentioned more than one. ) and not acknowledged their
: nationality. Your accusation is more serious than you might think.

Did I demand that they divulge their former nationalities? Just like a lot
of the nobel prize winners from USA who were formerly germans, italy etc.
However their former Nationalities are public information so why not the
chinese as well? They could be Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia, Taiwan and
even be Malaysia.
 
: 
: Stick to the facts, Pak Othman. Rumors are just wishful thinking. It

Facts need not be 100% accurate because there is no such thing.
At least we can say observations/ rumours as potential sources of facts.
To support an argument with facts( provided they are honestly quoted) is
better than just come to a conclusion, like the Malaysian chinese who
feel that they are 2nd class citizens without even quoting facts.
	Even though the facts are not reliable, just quote them so that 
some other people can challenge them just like what I did.

: certainly throws a bad light on your posts, and makes one wonder about
: the reliability of your sources.

I've revealed my sources which are Malaysian chinese who want to be proud
of their achievements as a race. Of course it is rumours but from my experience
rumours can be more reliable than the fully censored official sources including
from refutable journals.

	I've counter-checked it by referring to journals which unfortunately
were not specific. Another attempt is to quote them here in usenet group so
that someone can point out the whole truth.

	 Cross checking is very important just like trying to believe
the rumours that the chinese are very discriminated in Malaysia compared to 
the rest of the world. Cross-check it with the Malays/natives or cases in
US and other countries.
	I've never challenged the rumours spread by the chinese, only the
degree and universality of those rumours(facts). They are simply blown out
of proportion.

: 
: Anyway, I'd still like to hear more about whether the two above are really
: M'sians, and if anybody does know more about prominent Malaysian scientists,
: I'd certainly like to know more about them too.

Just for your info, the local newspapers had just published the accomplishment
of a Malay researcher in Pharmacy who won a lot of scholarhip/prizes from
overseas establishment. I cannot remember his name.

Tengku Azzman, the director of MIMOS, was also famous because he managed to
publish in one of the IEE journals. I cannot recall the details but it was
something to do with Satellite.

If anyone can contribute more, please do so.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg

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