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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:01:08 PST
From:         John Wical <UNCJWI@LLUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mail92 & messages
              14 Apr 1992 14:22:10 EDT from <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:22:10 EDT Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI) said:
>I have
>also written macros that stack COMMAND REFRESH to get mail to pass them
>on to xedit rather than doing the command itself. Hope this helps.

Excellent! it works!

my exec works like this:
queue 'MSG working on part 1'
queue 'command refresh'
queue <commands>
queue 'MSG working on part 2'
queue 'command refresh'
queue <more commands>

when the exec is done queueing up all the commands, control is returned to
mail, and the queued commands are executed.

John Wical
Loma Linda University
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:12:27 EDT
From:         Stan Horwitz <OASIS@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Cannot invoke Mail92

I finally got around to installing Mail92 for testing purposes a few days ago.
My boss asked me to keep quiet about this new software until he has had a
chance to familiarize himself with it and until we can update our documentation
Anyway, to make this testing a little easier, I installed Mail92 on a separate
minidisk which can be accessed by those who are testing it. I have been using
Mail92 exclusively and have not had a problem with it on several accounts.
My boss just attempted to use it for the first time. He got the standard
notice about buiding the UNREAD NOTEBOOK index file. As soon as he pressed
the Enter key to start the process, he got knocked out of Mail92 without any
error displays. There was also a normal return code. I logged on his account,
and sure enough, the same thing happened to me. What could be preventing him
from using Mail92? He has no trouble with our earlier version and a filelist
on his account revealed nothing out of the ordinary.

Stan Horwitz
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Temple University
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:55:54 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: More: - +

On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:54:41 PST John Wical said:
>I would like to see 'More: v ^' instead of 'More: - +'

Let me discourage that particular change quite a bit.  It took me quite
a long time staring at the screen to see why John wanted those particular
characters there, since the second one showed up on my screen not as
the circumflex/caret/whateveryoucallit but as the EBCDIC not sign, like
an L rotated and flipped.  Unless you are sure that every person at
your site will be using the same character set, you're a *lot* safer
using -/+ characters which will work anywhere.   (I happen to use
the TCP/IP for OS/2 pmant program.  Checking 2 other tn3270 programs we
use here, 1 showed the characters as a caret, the other as the rotated L.)

That said, there's no facility to change that outside of actually
editing the code itself.

Richard
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:36:20 +0300
From:         "Lawrence S. Kalman" <VSLAWR@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: mail92 & log in notebook

On Tue, 14 Apr 92 09:06:50 PST John Wical said:
>On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:26:35 +0300 Lawrence S. Kalman said:
>>Without promising a delivery date, I intend to provide a modification to
>>RiceMail which will re-parse the header lines only if there were changes made
>>to the header "manually", i.e., other than via INCLUDE, EXCLUDE, etc.
>
>   is there a way to turn off the re-parse?

You could always modify the source, but you would want some mechanism to warn
the user that modifications made to the header might make the mail
undeliverable.  There was a general consensus some time ago that a warning
message was not sufficient protection.  As others have commented on this topic,
any change to the code in this area is going to take a lot of planning to make
it work properly without degrading performance.

- Lawrence
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:08:14 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: PREvious subcommand
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              9 Apr 1992 10:46:58 EDT from <FJH%SRU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

  About 50% of the time I want it to work as it, the other 50% I hit the
quit key and up arrow and the read key.
  In Mail 90.01.01 I use my own macro to set and display PF settings.
In READ mode PF2 is set to read the next note and PF14 is set to read
the previous note (I have to do Alt-PF for 13-24).  So I think that I
would need a Previous with an option to do the absolute previous note.

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:04:21 EDT
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr." <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Using MARK, COPY, and PASTE.

     I am having some trouble using the MARK, COPY, and PASTE sequence that
Richard Schafer pointed out for copying stuff to a mail message.  The next few
lines will be an attempt to include the note he sent to the list regarding
this sequence of events...

- start of included text from a notebook entry...

Gee, I'd forgotten about that: you can do it right now, with the CUT/PASTE
facilities I put into Mail 92.  Quick run-through, using default PF keys:  Start
composing a message Mailbook name read the item Hit PF16 at both ends of the
text to be copi

- end of included text.

     Now, if you remember, the above is nothing like what the original message
was.  Is there some sort of a problem that I don't know about, or am I simply
doing something wrong?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rich

PS.  I really do like this new package, and I am getting other people to take
a look at it, too  (read, my supervisors!).  My hat is off to you, Richard!
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:51:52 EST
From:         Gary Sponseller <SPONSELL@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: LOGing messages to multiple notebooks

On Sun, 5 Apr 1992 07:48:23 IST Zvika Bar-Deroma said:
>On Sat, 4 Apr 92 16:31:49 CST Richard A. Schafer said:
>>There was indeed interest in this ability, and I did say I'd try to
>>look at doing it this time around.  However, for various reasons I just
>>never got around to putting that into the code.  It's still on my list
>>of things to consider doing next time, however.
>>
>>Richard
>
>That's too bad, I really consider it as an important point (= causing
>waste of lots of time - logging in some notebook and then issuing
>mailbook that-notebook, and LOGing to whiever additional notebooks I
>want).

Why not just issue a few 'LOG fn' commands while reading the first message?
LOG A then LOG B then LOG C while reading the original message would be
*much* easier/faster than LOG A then MAILBOOK A for LOG B, then MAILBOOK B
for LOG C...

This is a better workaround...  although it does not solve the original
problem request.

>Regards,
>/ZVika

Gary
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:47:26 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Using MARK, COPY, and PASTE.

Yes, I discovered in checking this that the help file wasn't shipped.
I've made sure that the file will be included in the new shipment
due to go out shortly with that and other fixes.

Stay tuned.

Richard
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:28:05 EDT
From:         "Duane D. Weaver" <WEAVER@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: I thought this discussion list had archives
              8 Apr 1992 17:32:50 CDT from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

For the record, OHSTVMA does keep archives for the MAILBOOK list.
At the present time, the archives go back to Jan 1991.  Earlier archives
for about 2 years prior to Jan. 91, have been dumped to tape, and are available
by contacting me directly.
The archive disk now has enough space to keep about 1 1/2 years worth
of archives, after which I then dump 3 to 6 months worth to tape.

The MAILBOOK peer at UGA is also keeping archives, with the earliest
archive available on disk being May 1991.

The MAILBOOK peer at DEARN is also keeping archives, with the earliest
archive available on disk being June 1986.

**************

Duane D. Weaver
LISTSERV Postmaster
Senior Systems Programmer
Ohio State University
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:22:10 EDT
From:         "Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI)" <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: mail92 & messages

>How do I update the screen?  The message is displayed in the CMSOUT window
>instead of on the message line at the bottom of the mail menu screen.
>After issuing the MSG, the screen needs to be updated.  REFRESH doesnt work
>because it is a MAIL command.
If the command (MSG) is in the stack then mail will read it and submit it
to XEDIT for processing and the message will be put up. You can also issue
commands directly from your macro. Since the context is controled by
your (assuming REXX here) ADDRESS setting, the REFRESH command (when
issued from the macro, not stacked) is XEDIT's, not MAIL's. (I assume that
your macro is going on and doing some more work or something.) I have
also written macros that stack COMMAND REFRESH to get mail to pass them
on to xedit rather than doing the command itself. Hope this helps.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:42:02 EDT
From:         "Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI)" <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Complaints about RICEMAIL 92
              14 Apr 1992 10:09:49 -0500 from <stankerr@UIUC.EDU>

>                                 I.e., they want it to behave just the same
>as the old RICEMAIL,
Then perhaps they should just use the old software...
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:28:59 EDT
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr." <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using MARK, COPY, and PASTE.

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:18:29 EDT Bill Williams said:
>On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:54:07 CDT Richard A. Schafer said:
>>See the CUTPASTE help file for details on how to do all of these things.
>
>Ahhh... I'd love to see it!  Where is my CUTPASTE HELP file?
>
     Probably the same place mine was.  On Richard's disk, until he was kind
enough to send it to me.

>My MAILHELP VMARC ain't got such thing in it and I certainly could use
>it.
     I am guessing that Richard will send it out to all sites as soon as
possible?!

Rich
>
> ---------------------------------------
>   Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
>    East
>    Tennessee             (615) 929-6853
>    State
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:26:53 EDT
From:         Larry.H.Bradley@NRC.CA
Subject:      Re: I thought this discussion list had archives
              8 Apr 1992 17:32:50 CDT from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

Richard, why did you remove UTORONTO as a peer? There are a lot of
         Canadian sites that get this stuff, and having the peer
         here should cut down traffic.


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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:59:57 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Scrolling, Keys and Cursor position
              8 Apr 1992 14:34:46 CDT from
              <Christian.J.Reichetzeder@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:34:46 CDT <Christian.J.Reichetzeder@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC
>* Another related thing is whether ENTER could act as Open (PF2) from the menu
>  when the cursor is on an item (and no read active perhaps).

For a while I actually had the code doing something like that, but decided that

  a) It violated the CUA guidelines
  b) Mixing selection and action on the Enter key was actually confusing, which
     is certainly why CUA said doing so was a no-no.

>P.S.: I saw two (minor) problems I am unable to reproduce at will:
>  1) cursor is on  MenuBar but occasionally no selection is  done on ENTER and
>     the cursor jumps to the commandline
>  2) at some point mail ignored prefix commands. From the XEDIT queries every-
>     thing looked ok but the weren't processed

I've never seen either or these, nor can I reproduce them at the moment.
If you can pin them down a little better, please let me know.

Richard
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:43:48 EST
From:         John Hammond <MAILMNT@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PREvious subcommand

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:46:58 EDT Fran Hensler said:
>...text deleted...
>discarded.  The PREvious subcommand would be perfect except that it goes
>back to the previous UNDISCARDED mail.  I've never had a case when I wanted
>to do this.
>
>Richard, would you consider an option on the PREvious subcommand to go back
>to the absolute previous mail?  Or maybe a SETMAIL option for the PREVious
>subcommand?
>...text deleted...
   How about another option which would go back to the prior piece of mail
regardless of whether it had been deleted or not?  Call it PRIOR.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:40:52 EST
From:         "Scott Mattes" <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Newer/better LNAME????
X-To:         Rice Mail <mailbook%ricevm1.bitnet@ricevm1.rice.edu>

  Before I tackle this, has LNAME been fixed so that the two line tag:
fields get put into the NAMES file correctly?  The version I have will
put a blank between the two pieces of the tag value, even when the first
value completely fills the first line of the two lines for value.

  An example.  If the screen looks like this

Tag:                Value:
                         :

  And I type in the following

Tag: asdf           Value: dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
                         : rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  I get an entry like the following in my NAMES file

:nick.ASDF :asdf.dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd rrrrrrrrr

  When what I want is

:nick.ASDF :asdf.ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddrrrrrrrrrr

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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:23:42 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Mail 92.01.01 shipped

I've just shipped the first major patch level for Mail92.  See the
MAIL92 CHANGES file (at the bottom) for details about the changes,
but in general, I believe I've fixed all of the bugs reported to me
except one problem with ETMODE ON terminals that will take a great
deal of research to figure out how to solve.

As discussed previously, I've added the PREMENU/PREREAD/PRESEND exits
(not called by default) to allow an exit call *before* the windowed
options are read in.

To make clear what level of the code is being referred to, I've upped the
version number to 92.01.01; please report that number when reporting future
problems.

Thanks for all the good feedback.  Actually, as I expected, this has been
a quite stable release so far, with most of the errors reported being
faily minor in nature, and relatively easy to fix.

Richard
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:51:39 EST
From:         Kent Fiala <SNOKLF@VM.SAS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Scrolling, Keys and Cursor position
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              8 Apr 1992 14:34:46 CDT from
              <Christian.J.Reichetzeder@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:34:46 CDT <Christian.J.Reichetzeder@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC
>I really get used to it :-) ...
>Now a few points:
>* I have this little  rodent attached to my 3472G and well, it'd  be nice if I
>  could use it for  scrolling - doesn't need to be a  scrollbar :-), maybe the
>  "- +" of More: ...

I still haven't seen the new Ricemail, so I can't speak to the specific
question--but in general, I highly recommend the CLICK XEDIT macro from Adesse,
which can be found in NOTE CLICK on VMSHARE.  I use it with Mail90.01.

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:50:35 MAL
From:         Sabariah Ismail <SABARIAH@UTMKL.BITNET>
Subject:      Mail 92.01.01

I'm sorry if my problems sound very basic and had been discussed in length
before. While using the newly shipped Mail 92, I encountered with these
problems :

  1. While trying to forward a mail, I press <F4> to add a page. Instead of
     inserting a blank page below the cursor position, the page was appended
     at the end of the text. So I used <F2> (add line) instead. Is this the
     way that it should behave?

  2. Everytime a help <F1> is called during a POP-UP window session, I always
     get the "Fullscreen CMS" screen below while quitting from help.

>
>                                 Fullscreen CMS          Columns 1 - 79 of 81
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>PF1=Help      2=Top       3=Quit       4=Clear      5=Copy       6=Retrieve
>PF7=Backward  8=Forward   9=Maximize  10=Left      11=Right     12=Restore
>Active window overlaid; enter a windowing command or press a PF key
>====>
>

  3. I change the setting of the <F5> "Send" to <F7>. When the confirmation
     window pops-up, the "Send" key changes is not shown and neither the
     <F5> and <F7> keys are functional. I  need to bring the cursor to the
     "Send" button (sorry for using the Mac Hypercard term here) and press
     <Enter>.

  4. I am customizing the PFkeys setting so that they synchronize with PROFS
     setting. It seems like the definitions in LASTING GLOBALV would only be
     used if it resides on the user A-disk. I would like to have only one
     public copy of the file available to all users.

Thanks in advance for any solutions and ideas.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:51:41 EST
From:         Dave Elbon <SYSDAVE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MAILBOOK
              14 Apr 1992 11:49:03 CDT from <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

I've been meaning to make a request about this.  I like the abbreviated
headers (I've had an exec of my own doing this kind of thing), but could
there be a message indicating that some headers are hidden and how to
display them?  And for the case of the truncated To: list, could something
be added to the display indicating what happened?  For example:

   To: blah,
       blah,
       blah,
       [125 more not displayed]

I imagine that would be a little trickier than just a message, but I
would find it helpful.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:29:35 LCL
From:         Network Manager <NETMAN@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Option Pull Downs in MAILBOOK

I  haven't  heard (read?)  anyone  commenting  on  this  so I  must  have
something very  wrong. The  option pull  downs in  MAILBOOK won't  let me
change any of the options. It all  works okay with MAIL but not MAILBOOK.
It  also seems  odd that  MAILBOOK is  using the  color definitions  I've
supplied for MAIL,  but not the definition of Protect  Quit. Are the MAIL
and MAILBOOK options separate?


Glenn A. Malling (NETMAN@SUVM) or netman@suvm.acs.syr.edu
Computing & Network Services   +1 (315) 443-4111
Machinery Hall
Syracuse University
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:32:50 CDT
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: I thought this discussion list had archives
              7 Apr 1992 10:48:56 EST from <COTRSSM@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>

When I pruned off a few of the peer servers, leaving only the
OHSTVMA, UGA, DEARN, and RICEVM1 servers for the list, I made no
changes to the lists at those sites except for modifying the peer list.
As people then were moved around, some people may have been moved to
a peer which does not keep archives of the list.

I think OHSTVMA keeps an archive; I know RICEVM1 does not.  That decision
is up to the LISTSERV maintainer at each site.  Although I could
recommend that the list be archived everywhere, I have no control over
any place but here.  We have chosen not to spend the disk space
to save the notebooks.

Richard
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