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From: vagif.abilov@thcave.no (Vagif Abilov)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: EMU MPS+
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: vagif.abilov@thcave.no (Vagif Abilov)
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18

RE: Message 8182 entered on Nov 4,92 by STEN OHLSSON to ALL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SO> I am seriously considering buying a EMU MPS+ in Sweden, but as my brother is going to Toronto in a fortnight I am interested in knowing how much it costs
  > in Canada or the US. If there is anybody with a better suggestion to what I should lay my money, please let me know! I would also like to know owners opinions on the quality of the instrument.
SO>                 Thanks
SO>                 Sten

I work in Norway, so I know the price range in Scandinavia (they're crazy).
I have a lot of mail order shops addresses in USA, some of them I checked.
They can give you much better prices, but don't forget that all stuff bought
from America will have 110V AC power supply, and you'll have to fiddle with
voltage converter which is not nice. Once I bought a CD player in USA. Then
I used it in Norway with AC converter. This converter went wrong, and my
player have gone. Don't forget also about warranty which you won't have
in Sweden for a product purchased in America. So my recommendation is the
following:

1. Check prices (if you need phones of USA shops I can e-mail it to you).
2. Add shipping and handling ($100-120).
3. Add VAT.
4. Add voltage converter cost (don't go for the ones cheaper than $50,
   they will burn your equipment).

If the difference is still significant, then go for it.

I bought myself Roland JV-30. I also tried American sources, but after
calculating all costs I realized that the only chance to get really
good price is to arrange goods to be sent with someone travelling in USA
(then it's duty-free and shipping-free). I went to local Oslo shop, ask
for a discount. They gave me 15%, and that was almost the cost I would have
paid if I ordered my synths from USA.

Best regards

Vagif.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin)
Subject: Re: Looking for a drumcomputer w/ Tape Sync
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 21:32:58 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <vick.721088840@Vaduz> vick@Vaduz.docs.uu.se (Mikael Lundgren) writes:
>malouin@engin.umich.edu (Curt Malouin) writes:
>>In article <168969E1A.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>>In article <1d8anmINN1773@obelix.uni-muenster.de>
>>>hund@math.uni-muenster.de (Ulli Hund) writes:
>>>>  Is there a good and/or cheap drumcomputer
>>>>that has Tape-Sync and full (that is in, out, &thru)
>>>>MIDI support? Has anybody made experience with
>>>>one?
>>>One that comes close is the Oberheim DX. It has tape synch, Midi in & out,
>>>among other things.
>I belive this to be a typo. It should be *DMX*, not *DX*.
>I owned a DX for about a year, and all it had was a strange
>clock in/out which I never could get to work properly.

At risk of beating the subject to death, it is a DX (the later,
MIDI version).  You probably had the earlier non-MIDI version.

	-curt
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From: soh@gdstech.grumman.com (Scott O'Hare)
Subject: Re: \*BAD\* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:29:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.175134.90362@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> krw1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kevin Weiner) writes:
>>Most of them didn't even know a vote was going on...UNLIKE the American
>
>Count me among those who were clueless about any vote.  Frankly, there's
>so much noise in this group that it's hard to pick up on something like
>that.  Perhaps another vote would be in order, now that the issue has
>broken through the noise?
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Kevin Weiner        Lehigh University Computing Center        (215) 758-3991

I second the motion. As one of the naive masses, I didn't realize what was 
going on until QUITE recently (when those who already voted claimed it was
too late). How about a vote on whether or not to have a new vote? <;

soh

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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: This *BAD* thread and user disappearences
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:41:24 GMT

five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (A.R.F.) writes:

>Personally, I'd like to see something like to see this group split up 
>into Rec.Music.Analog.Synth and Rec.Music.Digital.Synth.  Alas ....

Oh yeah, great... How 'bout r.m.roland.synth, r.m.roland.drummachines,
r.m.roland.samplers, r.m.roland.misc, r.m.korg.synth, r.m.korg.samplers... :)

--
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Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Copyright on patches
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:41:12 GMT

kraig@biostr.washington.edu (Kraig Eno) writes:

>>For many synths one can buy ROM or RAM cards with patches. In general these
>>patches are copyrighted. What I was asking myself is '*what* exactly is
>>copyrighted?'. The longer I think about it the stranger it gets...

>I agree, it's a very interesting question.  I've never bought a commercial
>patch library, so I don't know what kind of legal language they write on the
>package, but this is the way I understand the issue:  the byte sequence itself
>is what is copyrighted.  You can't copyright an idea, but you can copyright
>the written expression of it (am I right?).

No, copyrighting of ideas is done all the time IMO. And if you're right, that
would mean that I only had to change the name of a copyrighted patch (which
of course is part of the byte-sequence) to be able to use it without legal
troubles. And that can hardly be the case, can it?
And, if indeed the b-seq is copyrighted, then how can one *ever* prove
that _my_ byte-sequence, which 'happens to be identical', was stolen/copied?
In that case this copyright would be just a bag of air.
Well, maybe it is... ???
O, on the copyright of ideas: there are even copyrighted programming
algorithms...

>This means that, yes, even a 200-byte patch is safe.  It doesn't mean that
>you can't be seen with that same 200-byte sequence in one of your own
>computer files, or that you can't come up with the same patch yourself and
>use it; it means that if you see the 200-byte sequence somewhere and copy
>it without paying for the right to do so, THAT'S where the lawyers step in.

Again: how could one ever prove that I really stole it?

>I mean, if
>usefulness determines legal status, then I'd say the vast majority of
>commercial packages should lose their copyright!  My own feelings, of course.

:-)))


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
The Netherlands                          *
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: newson@eecs.nwu.edu (Bryan M. Newson)
Subject: Pattern-Based sequencing software???
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:14:23 GMT

Does anyone know of a pattern-based (drum machine) type sequencer for the
IBM PC?  I am kinda broke so price DOES figure into any decision I make.
Preferably I would like to keep the price at $250 or less.

In particular, I've read the box for the Cubase for Windows program and it
seemed as impressive as it was expensive (about $250) but I am in dire
need of further information.

Thanks in advance,
Bryan
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: andersm@edb.tih.no (Anders Myrvold,o92b)
Subject: Roland JD800
Reply-To: andersm@edb.tih.no
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:56:45 GMT

Hello World!

I'm looking for some new patches for the fantastic JD800.
Where can I find some patches for the synth on the net.

E-mail: andersm@baron.edb.tih.no
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 20:10:04 GMT

tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
> Our spool directory has 345 articles on this topic.  Of that admittedly high
> total, we have some major contributors:
>     97 articles   28 %    Rich Kulawiec
>     58 articles   17 %    Dave Hayes
>     50 articles   14 %    Gordon Van Huizen
>     29 articles    8 %    Jay Maynard
>     25 articles    7 %    Tim Pierce
>     15 articles    4 %    Lazlo Nibble

My apologies to Rich --- I appear to have ended up counting the posts and
reposts of the RFD/CFV headers, a result of sloppy grepping.  :(  Sorry!

Here are the corrected standings (314 articles):  :)
   57 articles  18.2 %   Dave Hayes
   42 articles  13.4 %   Gordon Van Huizen
   26 articles   8.3 %   Jay Maynard
   25 articles   8.0 %   Tim Pierce
   13 articles   4.1 %   Lazlo Nibble
   11 articles   3.5 %   Rich Kulawiec
    8 articles   2.5 %   Pete Hartman, Kalle Kivimaa
    7 articles   2.2 %   Jesper Lauridsen, David Vessell
    6 articles   1.9 %   Karleenus Davis, lee Jaap, Chip Salzenberg
    5 articles   1.6 %   John Stanley, Ken Shirriff, Ian Batten, Ken Arromdee

...which still leaves a mere 72 articles to other posters.  Not so much of a
popular uprising as a shouting match between the proponents and the
opponents!  :)

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: fullerto@mostaccioli.cis.ohio-state.edu (timothy dwight fullerton)
Subject: looking for good e-music grad program
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 04:06:42 GMT



	Dear World;

	I am going to acquire my Bachelor's Degree in Music (yes, B.M.) 
imminently. I am interested in doing graduate work in electronic music. 
Before I just poke through the guides to colleges, I thought I'd probe 
the Internet group conscience for firsthand experience. 

	If you go to a university that has a fantastic electronic music 
department, please write me and let me know, and maybe tell me if 
anything about it is unique or special; I'd love to look into it. 
Conversely, if there is anyplace that looks good in the advertisements 
but sucks in real life, I would appreciate any warning.

	I used to live in Los Angeles briefly; I found it to be the most 
enriching musical environment of anyplace I had ever been. Therefore, my 
first choices right now would be USC or UCLA, knowing nothing about 
their electronic music departments. If anyone who goes there could tell 
me anything about what might exist in the vicinity of LA, again, I would 
be grateful.

	Tim
From: pmwenzel@vugg.gg.caltech.edu (Pete Wenzel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Comments on Casio Celviano?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 10:56:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: vugg.gg.caltech.edu

I've always been under the impression that Casio was a word equated
with cheap, crappy, consumer-ish junk.  But the other day I was trying
out digital pianos in a music store, and after playing a number of
keyboards (Korg, Kawai, others), I found the Casio Celviano series to
have *by far* the most "real" touch.  Was I mistaken?  What other
brands/models should I be looking at, as a starting point for an
in-home synth studio?  The only thing I wasn't thoroughly pleased with
was a bit of noise in the amplifier; wonder if that would go away if I
ignored the built-in and used an external amp instead.

--Pete
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:17:34 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>>>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>>>All they had to do was read news.announce.newgroups.  They didn't.  By
>>>>all objective evidence, they did _not_ care ... enough.
>>>That's STILL an assumption.
>>I wrote, "By all objective evidence, they did not care."  That's not
>>an assumption.  It's a theory which fits the available facts.
>Ok, theory...assumption...both have the possibility of being wrong.

Sure.  But an assumption comes from nowhere, whereas a theory exists
to explain observed facts.

>>>>There is no cure for _intentional_ ignorance.
>>>What about _unintentional_ ignorance?
>>Sure; but the patient must want to be cured.
>What if they don't know they are sick?

In other words, what if they don't know their ignorant?  Well, that's
why the gruop "news.announce.newusers" has "announce" and "newusers"
in its name.  To say, "Hey you NEW USERS.  This is an ANNOUNCEMENT for
you.  Read me now."
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:19:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: gvgspd.1dma39INNifb
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgspd.gvg.tek.com

In article <9211052010.AA10912@jupiter.Sun.CSD.unb.ca>
                           aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA (Alan Edwards) writes:

>I wonder how many people that were concerned about the other groups that
>were being voted on just went Y Y Y Y without really thinking or knowing
>how that last Y would affect other people. I know I was careful to put an
>A in all of the groups that I knew nothing about, and a N for r.m.s.,
>which was all that I really cared about. Was everyone this careful ?

This verbage rang a great big (ring modulated?) bell in my head, and I just
had to check it out.  Sure enough:

I submit that the vote that has resulted in this controversy is invalid, as
it failed to observe the guidelines on the following count:

| Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers,news.groups,news.admin,
|                                         news.announce.newgroups,news.answers
| Subject: How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup
| Message-ID: <spaf-howto_719471725@cs.purdue.edu>
| 
| [...]
| 
| 7) A vote should be run only for a single group proposal.  Attempts to create
|    multiple groups should be handled by running multiple parallel votes
|    rather than one vote to create all of the groups.
| 
| [...]

I further submit that, because of this guideline violation, new RFDs and
CFVs should be posted, and a new vote taken, prior to any action performed
based on the previous vote.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:23:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: Sampling option for K2000
Comments: To: SYNTH-L%AUVM.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU

The K2000 sampling option will be an add-in/on module for the K2000.
or the K2000R. It will not be a stand alone unit. It will provide
digital I/O for the K2000 and will need a new operating system which
will allow much more extensive sample editing than is currently available.
The new operating system will be installed with the module but can be
obtained seperately for those who want to load EPS disks and do the editing
but do not need the sampling capabilities.

The option is not yet available nor is OS 2.x. The release date keeps getting
pushed back. It'll probably be worth waiting for, though and you might as
well get a K2000 to while away the time as you wait.

Bill Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dan@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: More on the AX-1 (was  ANATEK Pocket Devices)
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:13:35 GMT
Followup-To: dan@catt.ncsu.edu
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh

In article <13822@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> craig@hadrian.uk.sun.com writes:
>as anyone used one of these devices, in particular the "Pocket Filter", Do they work well, lock up, or work reasonably well under light loading of the MIDI stream. The reason I am saking is that I want to filter out program changes from my AX1 to the rest of my setup so the Sequencer call call up the correct programs and I can just channel hop using the AX1, at the moment if I channel hop I reset the receiving synth to whatever program is setup in the AX1.
>
>
>rgds
>
>Craig
>
>

   Hey,
 
   I know this is off the original subject, but could someone post a
review on the AX-1?  It looks good on paper, but I haven't seen one in
our local music stores.  How does it compare to the LYNC models?  Thanks
for any info.

                                      Later,
                                      Dan Heath
                                      dan@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: msavasti@telesciences.com (Michael Savastio)
Subject: Wanted: Digital-doo Samples
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:34:22 GMT


Does anybody know where one can get didjeridoo samples for an EPS 16+,
or at least a good CD source for sampling this instrument?

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jay@cmn19.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis)
Subject: Re: Digital I/O on effects boxes
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:08:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.193825.23192@ousrvr.oulu.fi> pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi  
(Pasi Korhonen) writes:
> Niels P. Mayer (mayer@hplnpm1.hpl.hp.com) wrote:
> : 
> : > anybody out there know if any high-end F/X boxes besides the SPX1000
> : > have digital input and output ports?  Korg, perhaps?
> 
> : I know that the following do have digital I/O:
> : 	* Korg A1 (not AES/EBU, probably IEC958)
> : 	* Lexicon 300
> : 	* Lexicon 480L (probably -- too expensive for me to even dare take
> : 			a look)
> : 	* T.C. Electronics (can't remember the #, a modular system).
> 
> 	TC M5000. Also, Roland R880 has digital I/O. Can't think of any  
others.
> 	AMS maybe ? Quantec ? 
> 


Don't get too excited about the Korg A-1...its IEC-958 digital I/O only  
works at 48 KHz...and the SPX-1000 only does the Yamaha stereo digital  
format.

Jay
jay@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.music,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: bhodge@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Bert)
Subject: **>> WANTED: MPU-401 CARD FOR ROLAND MT-32
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:40:51 GMT


I have recently purchased a Roland MT-32 and am 
in need of an MPU-401 standard midi interface
card to use it.  If you have such a card you
are willing to part with, let me know.

MAIL OFFERS TO:

bhodge@gn.ecn.purdue.edu


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From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (M)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Sounddesigner questions
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:22:50 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I have a few questions about Soundesigner by Digidesign:

1/	Is version 2.4 with SMDI protocol for the k2000 and Peavey
SP out yet??
2/	Does Sounddesigner have all the sample editing features of
the scaled down(?) Soundesigner SK???  That is, can you use Soundesigner
as a sample editor doing loops etc like you could with the SK
version.
3/	What places besides MacBeat sells Digidesign stuff??? MacBeat
sells Audiomedia II which comes bundled with the fullblown
Sounddesigner II for $1079, any cheaper deals around???

Thanks,

ee154fbk@sdcc15.ucsd.edu



etc
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Synth shopping
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:21:07 GMT



Pinch yourself! An article to do with synthesizers and not usenet hegemony. 

I am on the verge of starting my long anticipated MIDI system.  
I'm interested in synth and sampling hardware, rather than sample
playback.  I also have a 486 PC, and Cakewalk Pro for Windows seems
like an ideal software platform.

So far, the Yamaha SY85 ($2080) and Korg Wavestation EX ($1500)
have caught my eye as prospective choices (prices in Canadian $$$).  
The Ensoniq EPS-16+ sampler is also interesting.  I was previously
looking at the K2000, but issues of reliability and servicing scare me.
(I've bought hardware with state-of-the-art specs before, only to be 
screwed by shoddy manufacturing.)

questions:

- Does anyone have any info on the SY85?  Can it read external
  samples like the SY99?
- Is the Wavestation EX worth considering over the SY85?
- Are there any other contenders I should consider?
- Are there PC-based programs which manipulate samples via software 
  (edit, effects, etc)?  I should think that a program that does Fourier 
  transforms on samples should be fairly simple to do... (A project!)

Cheers.

-- 
Brian Ross                         "How do we arrange lures in our tackle box?
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     From left to right, according to size and 
                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
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