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Info-Mac Digest             Sun, 16 Aug 92       Volume 10 : Issue 196

Today's Topics:

      [*] Bachman 1.1.2u
      [*] Bahtzee 2.0
      [*] Carina Nebula Startupscreen
      [*] Deep Thought
      [*] dmm-lw-stuff-122-update.sea.hqx
      [*] Duck Startup (refrigerator door art ;-)
      [*] FractalStartup
      [*] Posting - 3D Shapes QuickTime Movie
      [*] PwrSwitcher
      .dl file view for the mac
      Aldus Intellidraw 1.0
      Alias for Word 5.0 in System 6
      Apple Talk Remote Access
      Awesome Stuff this Morph!
      Business Games
      ChineseTalk II (Q)
      Clip-Art Sound (Q)
      Cricket Graph (A)
      DAL preferences file asychronous login help needed!
      Edge to Edge Printing
      fax-modems
      FrameMaker (3 msgs)
      Help: problems with Radius 24xp
      Help with LaserWriter - it sure needs it...!
      IBM->Mac
      LaserWriter Page Count - you got me
      Mac based nntp news reader
      Mac CPU vs. IBM CPU: a report
      nodem software
      Scheduling stacks
      Screen Saver for Quadra 700 (A)
      Seeking for a virtual screen
      SPLASH subscriptions - what happened?? (Q)
      Still on the lookout for graphics!
      Superscripts and subscripts in a Mac Database ??
      Suspected DeltaGraph Pro Bug
      Translators for IIe to Mac
      VGA monitor <-> Mac IIci cable [Q]
      VT100 emulation on Mac Plus?
      When is a 105 Mb HD not a 105 Mb HD? (R)
      When is an x-Mb hard disk not an x-Mb hard disk?

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:04:22 +0200
From: ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm)
Subject: [*] Bachman 1.1.2u

This is a new version of my Pacman-style arcade game for the Mac,
with 3D perspective, different levels and black-and-white graphics.
The game should work on all Macs and under all system versions.

Version 1.1 adds configurable keys and better response (since you
are now allowed to turn in any position, not only in grid intersections).
It also has better error handling. Those of you who tried version 1.0
on large screens know what I mean. It now gives you a proper
out of memory error (which can be helped by increasing its memory
allocation in Get Info) rather than quitting without explanation. Version
1.1.2 fixes a bug when using external files under System 7, but is
otherwise the same as 1.1.

The game is $10 shareware, which gives you the registered version, which
includes the level editor, plus the latest versions of my other games.

(No US cheques, please. Cash is much easier for me to handle.)

[Archived as /info-mac/game/bachman-112u.hqx; 251K]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:49:02 -0600
From: halet@ernie.cs.byu.edu (TODD HALE)
Subject: [*] Bahtzee 2.0

Bahtzee is a dice game adapted from a fun board game
called Casino Yahtzee.  Bahtzee is a cross between
Bingo and Yahtzee, hence the contrived name.  It was
created in HyperCard 2.1, has (fitting) sounds, and
was created for 2 - 4 players, although one can play
alone.

Version 2.0 includes a suitcase of fonts I used in the
game, as well as a few optimizations.  To speed up the
game, you can set the monitor to b/w, use a system
< 7.0, switch to finder, or turn off the sounds.

Hope you like it.
Todd Hale
halet@ernie.cs.byu.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/game/bahtzee-20.hqx; 116K]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 10:50 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: [*] Carina Nebula Startupscreen

Here's an unusual startupscreen for you - a roughly circular image of a
nebula in the Southern constellation Carina (I think).  The image has been
neatly merged with a 512x384 black background, making it just right for the
12" RGB screen.  Original source was an FTP archive it Europe (but where'd
they get it?).  Caveat: this image may not be suitable for those of you with
less than 16 bits/pixel unless it's properly dithered.  Used in its present
form, at 256 colors you might well get something which looks quite a lot like,
er, puke.   (Then again, some of you might want precisely that effect as a
startupscreen...)

[Archived as /info-mac/art/carina-nebula-startup.hqx; 155K]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:29:58 CDT
From: essam@gagme.chi.il.us (Essam Khairullah)
Subject: [*] Deep Thought

Deep Thought v1.0 Copyright 1992 by Oasis Software

This is a System Extension version of the Unix command "Fortune"

Basically it displays a random quote every startup.  It contains over
4000 humorous, thought-provoking, and just plain stupid quotes.

Postcardware.

Please send comments, suggestions, etc. (quotes?) to:


		     Essam Badi' Uz-Zaman Khairullah
			  essam@gagme.chi.il.us

I'm a .signature virus. You can't resist copying me into your .signature!


[Archived as /info-mac/ex/deep-thought-10.hqx; 466k]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:12:55 D
From: Don Markuson <dmm@tiger1.Prime.COM>
Subject: [*] dmm-lw-stuff-122-update.sea.hqx

DMM LW Stuff Update 1.2.2 is an update package for version 1.2 of the
DMM LW 7.x Stuff and DMM LW 5/6 Stuff package of freeware LaserWriter
PostScript goodies.

The update corrects a few minor but annoying bugs and provides a more
useful implementation of the serial port driver variants:

  1. Serial driver variants are now really functional by establishing
     XON/XOFF flow control.  Instructions are given for using ResEdit
     to alter the default 9600 baud rate, or choosing a hardware flow
     control protocol.

  2. StripFonts can now properly strip the N-up dictionary in N-up
     variants.

  3. The laserprep-fixups dictionary built into each driver variants
     will now work properly when embedding the PS file in another
     document.

  4. Variants based on LaserWriter 5.2 or 6.0.x should no longer
     exhibit rangecheck errors on older LaserWriters.

The included *ReadMe* file also provides some additional advice about
installation problems and some other tidbits.  My sincerest apologies
for the inconvenience and annoyance caused by these problems.

Distribution is a Compact-Pro self-extracting archive.  PLEASE DO NOT
USE Stuffit Expander 1.0 to expand it--you will run into installation
troubles.  Use the self-extractor or Stuffit Expander 1.0.1 or later.

..Don Markuson
  Prime Computer, Inc.
  500 Old Conn Path
  Framingham, MA  01701  USA
  (508) 620-2800 x3923
  dmm@tiger1.prime.com

Version 1.2.2   01-August-1992

[Archived as /info-mac/util/ddm-lw-stuff-122-updater.hqx; 135K]

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 01:11:45 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: [*] Duck Startup (refrigerator door art ;-)

My daughters are teenagers now, but I've always liked the Duck my
youngest did in nursery school twelve years or so ago.  It hung on the
regrigerator for a number of years; now it's a desktop ;-)

[Archived as /info-mac/art/duck-startup.hqx; 126K]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:11:45 MDT
From: Alonso Castro <acx@p-mac1.lanl.gov>
Subject: [*] FractalStartup

This is a binhexed self-extracting archive containing four 640 x 480 color
startup screen that I created with "The Beauty of Fractals Lab".
They are 2-D and 3-D renderings of the Mandelbrot and Julia sets.
Drop me a note if you like them.

Alonso Castro, acx@p-mac1.lanl.gov

[Archived as /info-mac/art/fractal-startup.hqx; 571K]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:15:09 HST
From: Christopher Zane <czane@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
Subject: [*] Posting - 3D Shapes QuickTime Movie

Here's a movie that a friend of mine without internet access created. It
contains examples of morphing, i.e. a sphere into a cone with various shapes
inbetween.

Binhex'ed and Compact Pro-ed...

Enjoy.

[Archived as /info-mac/art/qt/3d-morphing.hqx; 173K]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:45 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <LEMKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: [*] PwrSwitcher

This is PwrSwitcher Version 1.0a5
by David B. Lamkins

PwrSwitcher must be run under System 7 on a Macintosh with a keyboard which
has a power key. PwrSwitcher is a system extension that lets you cycle through
the active programs by pressing the power key on your keyboard. This release
of PwrSwitcher requires System 7, and a keyboard with a power key.

[Archived as /info-mac/ex/pwr-switcher-10a5.hqx; 11K]

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Date: 14 Aug 92 14:25:42 U
From: "Capp Luckett" <capper@atqm.advtech.uswest.com>
Subject: .dl file view for the mac

   Inter-Department Memo
SUBJECT:   .dl file view for the mac                      8/14/92      2:20 PM
Mac Digest Readers:

Is there a mac software program that will allow the viewing of .dl files.  In
addition, is there a
program that will convert a binhex .dl file as well?

Thanks

Capp Luckett
U S WEST Advanced Technologies, Inc.
capper@atqm.advtech.uswest.com

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Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Shaw Bernard Wu <SQW6447@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU>
Subject: Aldus Intellidraw 1.0

Has anyone had experienced with this package?

Is it really that great or is it just a rehash of
MacDraw Pro ? <g>



Shaw

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 9:24:01 EDT
From: jvaughan@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Jon Vaughan)
Subject: Alias for Word 5.0 in System 6

David Ebert writes...
> Problem
> is..if you move the application out of the Word 5 folder, it can't
> locate this folder full of commands (unless you simply place it on the
> desktop..not in another folder or at the top level of your disk).  In
> system 7, you can cicumvent this problem by leaving the application
> in the Word 5 folder and creating aliases in other locations; in system 6
> you seem to have to grin and bear it.


Yep, you need is an alias to Word so it runs from its ancestral folder.
You may be able to make one if you can boot your machine temporarily
>From system 7, via a 1.4 meg system floppy or an external hard drive
that has system 7 on it. Make the alias of Word, and move the alias to
your desktop.  Then disconnect the external drive and reboot on the
standard system 6 disk.  Lo and behold, the alias is still on the
desktop, and double clicking on it launches Word.

I think this is how I got the Word alias on my own system 6 desktop...
Don't know how robust it is (e.g. if the word application file were
moved, would it break?)

At your own risk/your mileage may vary/back up first...
--
Jonathan Vaughan            (315) 859-4719 (O)
Professor of Psychology     (315) 853-1657 (H)
Hamilton College
198 College Hill Road       jvaughan@hamilton.edu
Clinton, NY  13323

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 01:49:53
From: bylsma@unixg.ubc.ca (Dieder)
Subject: Apple Talk Remote Access

To whom would I write via e-mail to get more information on using ARA?
Specifically, using it via a direct serial link, or perhaps via TCP/IP.

I guess the question would be better phrased to be (a la Jeopardy style ;-) )
What is the e-mail address of APDA? If APDA won't have such information, who
would?

Thanks,

Dieder

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:27:34 -0700
From: Jon Pugh <jpugh@apple.com>
Subject: Awesome Stuff this Morph!

Ol' Morph Seawall ;) was going on about Morph, the hit of MacWorld, so I
thought I was too late, but it looks like I'm the first to post an actual
movie.  Morph was the only thing I thought cool enough to buy at the show,
although if I was serious about making QT movies, I would have gotten Pixar's
Typestry which does flying text QT for <$200.  Anyhow, I took a couple of
QT's of my wife and myself and morphed between us.  The movie is about 300K
and on ftp.apple.com in /pub/pugh/quicktime/cary-n-jon-morph.bin so have
at it.  I tweaked this one a bit to make my mustache transition late and
Cary's hair transition early.  Morph has the ability to control the speed
of the morph too.

As for Terminator 2, there was only one scene done on the Mac, and it really
stands out once you notice it.  It was after the T1000 pins mom near the
end and Arnold splits him with the iron bar (the Terminator, with the iron
bar,
in the Conservatory!).  Apparently they were having a hard time getting
the software to morph the bar out of the T1000's side, so one of the guys
just took it into Photoshop and just drew the sequence.  It is very short
and the most noticable thing is the different color of the sequence.

Morph is way cool nonetheless.  Now we just need to all become movie makers.

Jon

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:07:40 EDT
From: hstar@cc.gettysburg.edu (Harold Star)
Subject: Business Games

For our 400 level capstone course, I have used The Business Strategy Game by
Thompson and Stappenbeck (Irwin). It was extremely complex for the students,
and tended not to reward the degree of effort they put into the exercise. I
was also troubled by my own inability to offer advice which I knew with a
certainty would be appropriate for their situation.

I've been looking over Railroad Tycoon, and have found it to be a pretty
good business simulator. I'm not sure whether the publisher (MicroProse) would
be cooperative about using the game in an academic environment.

Harry Star
hstar@gettysburg.edu

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:00:58 EDT
From: Bob Crawford <bcrawf2@rvgs.vak12ed.edu>
Subject: ChineseTalk II (Q)

Greetings,
Does anyone know of an English manual or short Guide to the use
of chineseTalk II?
Also, a couple of problems: I installed ChineseTalk II (running
sys 7.0 with Tune-Uo 1.1.1) and it works, but with problems,
namely:  KeyCaps causes freeze-up if opened, and with
LOCALIZATION folder not active, Palatino font takes over as my
default font for menus and dialog boxes..
Thanks for any help.

Bob Crawford, Roanoke, VA

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:18:10 BST
From: RM107@phx.cam.ac.uk
Subject: Clip-Art Sound (Q)

Does anyone know of good (and preferably cheap) sources of sound effects for
the mac?  I am looking for short clips of "everyday" sounds such as train
whistles, cat mee-ow, dog woofs etc.

This is all in the interests of science (really!!)

TIA
Roz  rm107@phx.cam.ac.uk                        (world order)
					rm107@uk.ac.cam.phx   (JANET)

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 14:17:59 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Cricket Graph (A)

On Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:44:40 EDT you said:
>Does anyone know if CA Cricket Graph version 2.0 is available yet?  An
article
>published in the July issue of MacUser states that CA will be coming out with
>version 2.0 of Cricket Graph this summer.

I stopped at CA's booth at MacWorld and was told that they plan to
begin mailing upgrade postcards to registered users next week.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:02 EST
From: JALLISON@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: DAL preferences file asychronous login help needed!

DAL is great, I have been having a lot of fun with a HyperCard front-end to an
RDB database
on our VAX cluster. So far I have been using an ADSP connection over my direct
ethernet con-
nection to the campus wide ethernet backbone, but now that the HyperCard stack
is developed
I would like other less fortunate users who must use asychronous hardwire
connections or even
worse modem connections to be able to use my fron-end.  I have tried modifying
the sample
dial-up connections supplied by Apple,but I cant seem to get loggin correctly.
The phone
dials, I hear the usual modem whistle, but that's as far as it goes.  I wonder
if anyuone
might have some suggestions/ pointers, or sample logins definition from other
sites?

Thanks,

Jim Allison

PS  Its the asychronous login that I am having trouble with.

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:53:15 EDT
From: "Charles A. Patrick" <PATCHAS@VM.NRC.CA>
Subject: Edge to Edge Printing

I was under the impression that the inability of LaserWriters to print from
edge to edge was essentially due to inadequate availability of RAM. Well it
seems I had the wrong impression. Our LaserWriter IIf with 5MB RAM is unable
to
 perform thus. In terms of margins, it prints exactly as it did when it was an
NT: 0.5 inches from the edge without larger print area; and a smidgen over
5/16 inches with larger print area.

Why can the BLP Elite do it and not the LW?

Is there a patch available that will remove this irritating restriction?

Will the situation be resolved when the new print drivers finally come out?

Any illuminating information will be gratefully received.

Cheers

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 20:31:43 EDT
From: Clare Durst <CCD@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
Subject: fax-modems

What's the current wisdom about fax-modems to use when dialling in
to one's work computer with a power book? I assume 9600b, and preferably
for simplicity's sake one of those recommended in the power book
remote access booklet, but is there anything to beware of? Do all of
the modems step down to 2400b if that's what the calling modem is?
It's not for me, but for one of my "charges" and I won't be able to
do a great deal beyond recommending what he should get. But I asked
him if he read documentation and he said, no, that's why YOU're around!
  So what's the easiest to install? Cheapest? where to buy? Note me
and I'll summarize to list.  Thanks, guys.
Clare Durst@brown.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:55:54 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU>
Subject: FrameMaker

Phil Ryan asks about switching from Nisus to FrameMaker. I thought of
doing the same thing myself until I read "Nisus vs. FrameMaker" (a Word
doc!), a comparative report that I downloaded about 6 months ago from
sumex. It was either in /report/ or /misc/, I think. The author unfortunately
did not attach his name to the text (or is that a feature of Word?) but it
seems to be very thoroughly researched. It put me off the idea of switching.

Graeme Forbes

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 10:17:57 -0700
From: mjkobb@apple.com
Subject: FrameMaker

Hi,

  I'd have to agree with your raves about FrameMaker.  I've been using it
at school for about a year, and it is a really superb program.  MIT just
got educational pricing on it in fact, so I'll be buying my own copy to do
my thesis with (I've been using the one at work until now). Frankly, I
haven't noticed the lack of GREP.  I HAVE used it on an LC, and it's not
TOO slow, but it's also none too quick.

  If you were going to make a single investment to make Frame better, I'd
pick a portrait monitor.  I think that that comment goes  for all
word/document processors, though.  For me, at least, it's a big help to be
able to see an entire page at once, and with Frame (especially on an LC),
the slowest thing I found is scrolling a page up or down.  Don't get me
wrong: it's not intolerable, but it is a bit slow to do all that
recalculation.

  For my money, FrameMaker is the best technical word processor.

--Mike
mjkobb@athena.mit.edu

I don't speak for either Apple or MIT.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 12:01:19 -0400
From: Dave Saunders <inter01@worldlink.com>
Subject: FrameMaker

> FrameMaker sounds like a much better and bigger program than the hype which
> surrounded the pre-release of FullWrite Professional a couple of years
> back; it also works on many platforms so that the company is more secure in
> this product line (page layout/ high end WP).
>
> On the other hand, it costs: $A1350 RRP $A350 student price, compared to
> $A500 and $A130 respectively for Word 5 and $A450 and $A280 respectively
> for Nisus 3 (although the price is cheaper than buying Word +
> MacDraw + Theorist (for solving equations) + PageMaker...)

FrameMaker is a great program for creating and editing massive text
documents.

It is not without its flaws though...

1. Occasionally Copy and Cut fail to modify the ClipBoard. This is a real
pain when yo ucut a huge section of text and then find that it never found
its way to the ClipBoard. Frame confirmed the bug via email.

2. Unlike Quark, PageMaker, Nissus, and MS Word, you cannot wrap text around
graphics. Frame claims to be working on this feature.

3. It doesn't respond to many "Mac-like" that are fairly standard in the
current world. For example, when you select Restart or ShutDown in the Finder
with Frame running in the Background, the Finder is unable to convince Frame
to Quit, so you must do it manually before the ShutDown can continue.

There are a slew of little glitch in the interface, but I still recommend
FrameMaker 3.0 to anyone trying to work with massive text projects.
(I use it for software manuals.)

Dave Saunders

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:24:03 PDT
From: grosendale@atmel.com (Glen Rosendale)
Subject: Help: problems with Radius 24xp

Here's a help request for problems with a new Radius video card:

I recently purchased the new Radius 24xp accelerated graphics
card for my Mac II. Since installing it I've started getting lots
of "ID=28" errors in which the program that was running exits.
According to my SysError DA, this is a heap collision between the
system and application. In addition, my Finder "quits" frequently,
but then restarts (takes about 15 seconds).

My Mac II has 8MB of RAM, a Maxtor 213s HD, a 68851 PMMU (but I'm
not using Mode32 or virtual memory now), and an Orchid Sprint RAM
cache. I'm running Sys. 7.0.1 with Tuneup 1.1.1 installed and a slew
of init/cdevs, but I still get this problem when they're all turned
off.

Has anyone else gotten this video card? I'm not 100% sure it's the
culprit but this is the only change I've made recently, so the
smoking gun theory leads me to suspect it.

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Glen Rosendale  (glen@atmel.com)

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:10:22 BST
From: steven.taylor@mrc-applied-psychology.cambridge.ac.uk
Subject: Help with LaserWriter - it sure needs it...!

Hi,

I couldn't believe my eyes reading B. Nelson's printer hassles: looks like
he's
gotta be in the market for a MIL-spec nukeproof BattleWriter.
Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Steve

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:58:25 -0800
From: Scott Allen Gruby <sgruby@jarthur.Claremont.EDU>
Subject: IBM->Mac

Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> writes:

That he has had problems converting WP 5.1 to Mac using MacLink Plus. This
is totally unnecessary with Word 5.0. Since I have a Super Drive (which
most Macs have now), I simply save the IBM Wordperfect file on a disk and
put it in my drive. Using Apple File Exchange (which comes FREE with the
system software), I translate the file on my Mac. Then I simply open Word
5.0 and open the file. Word recognizes the file as a Wordperfect file and
says converting Wordperfect 5.1 file.

This is fully documented in the Word 5.0 manual and is a very effective way
of translating files.

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:29 CDT
From: trimper@edsi.plexus.com (Greg Trimper)
Subject: LaserWriter Page Count - you got me

Okay, I have been notified by several people that the Rewinding the
LaserWriter page count is a joke.  The beginning of the thread had expired at
my site, thus I didn't see it.

And I tried emailing first, but the address was bounced back by the mailer.

So, Ignore what I said.  Lesson to be learned: shouldn't read news while
tired and in a grumpy mood.


Greg Trimper   trimper@edsi.plexus.com  (apologies to N Byrne, if he is
a real person)

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:07:03 BST
From: Kevan Heydon <kevan@CIS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Mac based nntp news reader

Hello,

I am looking for an nntp based news reader for the Mac. I have heard that
there is one called HyperNews, but I have been unable to locate it. Does
anyone know where I can find the above program, or any others like it?

Many Thanks In Advance

Kevan Heydon

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:36 EST
From: G1400023@NICKEL.LAURENTIAN.CA
Subject: Mac CPU vs. IBM CPU: a report

Hello,

A few days ago I received this message from a PC user(who is considering
buying a Mac).  It compares the all the Motorola CPU's to the Intel CPU's.
I do not know who wrote it or where it came from, but I thought others on
the net might find it interesting.

Carlo Fusco
g1400023@nickel.laurentian.ca


_____



       * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
       *                                                 *
       *       Info on the Motorola and Intel CPUs       *
       *                                                 *
       * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

8088/8086 = 68000 {This does make sense now, 8/16 and 16-bit vs a
16/24/32-bit chip (data path/address lines/data and address registers}
{Side note Apple now does data paths in hardware [the Classic II and
LCII, both have 16-bit data buses but use FULL 32-bit chips.  The 68000
still has a use as a cheep CPU though.]

286       = 68010 {I think not, the 68010 was NEVER used in a mac and we
are comparing Mac and IBM MACHINES CPUs.  Either the 68000 or 68020 MUST
be used for a comparison. The MMU in the 286 pulls it past the 68020 and
to the 68030 class while the 16-bit of the 286 pulls it nearer the
68000. Since a IBM guru says that VERY FEW programers use the MMU of the
286 and its 24-bit addressing the 68000 is a better comparison.}

386       = 68020/68030 {better, but the 68030 fits better with its MMU
not the 68020, but all three chips are 32-bit so split hair time again.
Also why did Motorola drop the MMU feature from 68010 in the 68020?  No
matter though the 68020 just bit it -again and for good, I hope- as a
CPU.}

486       = 68040 {two 32-bit microprocessors with built-in FPU, MMU, 8K
internal cache.  The cache is implemented as two 4K caches in the 68040
and one in the 486.  This fits as far as that goes.}

586       = 68050 {how do you tell? neither was out in late May. Also I
have read about the i586 will have some RISC properties and the 68050
bit it on the drawingboard; does that place it closer to the PowerPC
chip then the proposed 68060?}



IBM     ALU  Registers  External  External  Total  Features/
CPU                      bus      address           Notes

 8088    8      16        8?        20?      52?
 8086   16      16        8?        20?      60?
80286   16      16       16         24       72   Protected Mode & MMU
80386   32      32       32         32      128   32-bit Protected Mode
80486   32      32       32         32      128   FPU

80586: Now called the P5.  I have not the foggiest idea except rumor
indicates a 64-bit superscalar chip with many RISC-like features, a
386-emulation unit for backward compatibility.  As to performance, Intel
claims 100+ MIPS. It is to be out at the end of this year.{We need to
see this thing.}
PowerPC: I have not the foggiest idea except rumor has it that it is
also due out at the end of the year and the 601 machine will be four
times as fast as a 50 MHz 486DX running Windows.{could give the P5 a run
for the money with the five OSs that could run on this: DOS, Windows
3.x, OS/2, Mac OS, and UNIX (AU/X 4.0).}


MAC     ALU  Registers  External  External  Total  Features/
CPU                      bus      address           Notes

68000   16      32       16         24        88
68020   32      32       32         32       128 {no longer used}
68030   32      32       32         32       128     MMU
68040   32      32       32         32       128  MMU & FPU
68050: Not to be, see 68060
68060: WHO KNOWS? Better question with the RISCs coming: WHO CARES?
PowerPC: I have not the foggiest idea except rumor has it that it is due
out at the end of the year and the 601 machine will be three times as
fast as a Mac Quadra.

The reason for this list was to show the progression of the chips in the
two types of machines and the problems of both lines.  Apple used only
two main types of CPUs in its Macs; the weird 16/24/32-bit 68000 and the
32-bit 680x0s.  While the 680x0s differ in FEATURES not data or address
paths, keeping program compatibility across CPUs is not easy even in the
Mac world.  The IBM/clone side has FOUR different CPU types: 8088, 8086,
286, and the 386/486s ranging from 8/16-bits to full 32-bits.  THEN add
in the DX and SX difference. {What a mess.}  Just looking at the
IBM/clone CPUs it must be a NIGHTMARE to deal with the 8088, 8086, 286,
386DX, 386SX, 486DX, 486SX, 486DX2 and soon the P5 out there.  Though,
in all fairness to IBM the 8088 and 8086 are gone(or nearly gone as
CPUs) and the 286 and 68000 are going (These last two are kept ONLY as
CPUs for REALLY cheap machines) and with the end of the LC the 68020 bit
it as a CPU.  This leaves the 68030 and 68040 on the Mac side and the
386DX, 386SX, 486DX, 486DX2 and 486SX on the IBM/clone side.  It still
looks like a programming mess CPU wise on the IBM/clone side (A good
example of this on the MAC side is when programers try to use features
of the 68040 and are using a 68040 accelorator and find out the hard way
the chip is a 68LC040 or an 68EC040 {somebody appears to have exactly
this problem: the FPU calls are dieing all over the place})


The CPU is the heart of the machine and the IBM/clone CPUs look like
they had too many bypasses.  A bad pun I know, but at least Apple keeps
the CPUs that fail their tests [the 68LC040 and the 68EC040] out of
their machines as MAIN CPUs{some accelorators however DO use them so
WATCH OUT}.  This is one of the things that tends to raise the Macs
costs:  Quality control.  There ARE problems, like the Trust-like setup
of Apple toward the Mac, but IBM and the clones have the same problem in
the OS (Can you say Microsoft?). OS/2 is too much of a memory and disk
space hog right now to break either DOS or Windows 3.1 and AIX needs the
power of the 386s to run at its full potential [as A/UX 3.0 needs
something the power of a fx(68030) or a Quatra(68040) to run as well as
a 160MB hard drive and 8MB of RAM (Present Apple and IBM machines were
NEVER designed to run UNIX as the MAIN OS anyway)]  PowerOpen {a.k.a A/UX
4.0 is ahead of schedule to the point it COULD be out by the end of this
year} and Windows NT {not before Oct 1993} are not out yet so thay are not
even in the running.

Taligent and Kaladia make all of this mute anyhow.  The PowerPC chip is
a RISC chip that Apple can run its OS on a the base Motorola 88000 RISC
and IBM is planning to use the PowerPC in its version of the PowerPC 601
(out in 1993/4) so soon a machine by BOTH companies will have the SAME
CPU and THEN we will finally know the strength and weakness of the
various OSs.

[Warning: this topic could easily spawn an endless flame war if uncontrolled.
 Therefore, only informative, non-emotional posts will be accepted
 in response to this article. Others will be silently deleted. -Bill]

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:33 EDT
From: "Roger Marks, Boulder, CO. 303-497-3037" <MARKS@ENH.NIST.GOV>
Subject: nodem software

I've got a device called the "nodem," originally made by adaptec. This is an
Ethernet interface that attaches to the SCSI port. It's always worked fine,
but
the software is kind of weird; e.g., the installer puts a lot of special
resources right into the System file.

Anyway, I just upgraded from System 6 to System 7, and I can't install the
driver software onto the new System. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be
any new software available from adaptec, who have apparently dropped the
product. I haven't been able to get any information out of adaptec on this
problem.

Awhile back, I saw a catalog ad by a company that was selling what was clearly
the (discontnued) nodem under another name. The company was called LRU
Systems,
Inc., of Saratoga, CA. Unfortunately, I haven't had any luck with the phone
number that I copied out of the ad, and directory assistance doesn't know the
company.

Does anyone know of a solution to this problem? Has someone else purchased the
nodem product? [There are now a lot of these kind of devices on the market,
and
some look vaguely like the nodem.] Is this type of hardware generic enough
that
I might get by with software meant for some other's manufacturer's software?
Maybe someone knows where I can reach LRU.

I'm open to suggestions. Thanks for the help.


Roger
marks@bldr.nist.gov

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 02:37:34 EDT
From: "Don W." <DONWEBB@vm.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Scheduling stacks

A couple of years ago, maybe even more, some interest was expressed here
in HyperCard stacks that would make schedules for sporting events, class
assignments, etc.

At the time, the only such stack I knew of had been developed by Jacques
Courchesne at a community college in Ste-Foy, Quebec.  The copy I requested
>From him proved to be a thoroughly disabled demo; I couldn't see how it was
supposed to work.

In any case, I decided to create a couple of stacks on my own, one for my
wife, who schedules classes in her Dept, and another for my Dept chair,
who schedules a couple dozen faculty or more twice a year.  The project
was intended mainly to enable me to learn the rudiments of HyperTalk.

The project has been successful in all respects.  Now that the stacks
are complete, though, I have to confess that I'm not sure how practical
they are.

The "user interface" is, at times, positively occult.  On some cards,
almost everything is a button.  And I think it would require personal
instruction as well as the help screens to learn where the buttons are
and what they do.

Curiously, the smaller stack seems to run more slowly than the larger,
even though I've attempted to write time-saving traps into the main
handlers.

For those who expressed interest, early on, I can report this: the stacks
are essentially elaborate recording devices; they make no decisions for you.
In effect, they replace pencil & paper with the computer, and writer's cramp
with mouse-finger fatigue.

If it is possible to write HyperTalk script that makes decisions, I would
appreciate any leads anyone can provide.  My own feeling, from discussions
with others as well as from my own experience, is that those of us who would
like to have something that will make up baseball or class schedules, etc.
might better look to an application written in an AI language.

In short (too late), then, can HyperCard play chess?  Aside from that,
what programming language would you suggest for such a project?  Prolog?

Don W. (DonWebb@vm.UoGuelph.CA)

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:14:50 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <PL0BALF@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU>
Subject: Screen Saver for Quadra 700 (A)

Andrew Welch's Eclipse will work. It's very simple (just dims the screen)
and is $10 shareware. If it's not at sumex, you can send him a disk and
an sae and he'll send you back his collection of shareware programs,
some of which are quite excellent. Andrew Welch, Ambrosia, POB 23140,
Rochester, NY 14692.

Graeme Forbes

(I think the disk is optional - the sae will do.)

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:28:38 -0400
From: Claude Bellavance <Claude_Bellavance@UQTR.UQuebec.CA>
Subject: Seeking for a virtual screen

Seeking for a virtual screen


Can anybody tell me what's happening with Stepping Out II?  I'd like
to buy it but I haven't seen any advise on that product since a year
or two. Berkeley Systems seems to put all its efforts on another
product, its screen saver After Dark.

What is the last version of Stepping Out?  Someone told me that it
doesn't work correctly with system 7...

Nevertheless, I think a virtual screen is still very useful,
specially when working on a compact Mac. And you, sharewhare authors,
why don't you try to write that kind of utility?

Thank you all for your help and answers

Claude_Bellavance@uqtr.uquebec.ca

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:10:50 EDT
From: Wagner Truppel <WT3@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: SPLASH subscriptions - what happened?? (Q)

Hi everyone,

does anyone know what has happened to the SPLASH subscriptions?
I'm a member since October/91 and the *only* issue of Thinking Cap
that I ever got is the one they sent me at the time I subscribed.
It's supposed to be a quarterly magazine, but since that issue,
all I got was NIL. I called their office *twice* in a period of
about a week and a half, paying *long distance*, left a msg, but never got an
answer back (this happened 2 weeks ago). It's a pity that their handling
of the subscriptions is so bad; I find Thinking Cap to be a *very*
useful source of programming info.

Perhaps they should be "absorbed" by the same company that "absorbed"
MacTutor. :)

Anyway, if any enlightened soul out there knows anything about this,
please drop me a note.  Thanks!!

PS. Please do *not* send a reply to this account, for it's going to
be discontinued in a matter of days. Instead, send replies to
ITXY@CORNELLA.CIT.CORNELL.EDU.

*          WAGNER L. TRUPPEL         *
*     WT3@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU   *

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92   0:25 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Still on the lookout for graphics!

My first submission to this Digest about a month ago (seems like ages now)
was about FTP sites where I could find GIF images.  I've so far only been
told of one really worthwhie site (wuarchive.wustl.edu), and while I've
by no means exhausted that source, I'd very much like to know about other
places.  Also, if anyone knows where one can download QuickTime-compressed
PICTs and JPEGs, I'd be much obliged.  I'll post a list of sites with some
details, if I get a good response.  Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:06 EST
From: JALLISON@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Superscripts and subscripts in a Mac Database ??

Does anyone in etherSpace know of a Mac or even a PC database which can handle
superscripts
or subscripts.  FileMaker Pro, reputedly the most graphically sophisticated of
the Mac databases,
can neither create superscripts or subscripts nor display them when they are
copy/pasted from
WordPerfect.

Thanks,

Jim Allison

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 04:06:58 -0400
From: Scott E Maxwell <smaxwell@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Suspected DeltaGraph Pro Bug

Am I crazy or is this actually a bug with DeltaGraph Pro?  When
I try to save document, cannot use the shift key to generate
a capital letter.  If I want capitals in my file name I must
use the caps lock key.  This is only for the SAVE and SAVE AS.
This does not occur if I save as an EXPORT (ie save a graph as
a PICT file).  I have not tried saving an edition and seeing if
it does it there.  I have the latest version (v2.01).  Does
this happen to other people?

Thanks,

Scott Maxwell
The University of Michigan
smaxwell@engin.umich.edu

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:16:13 -0400
From: Scott E Maxwell <smaxwell@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Translators for IIe to Mac

I have a friend that owns an LC II with the IIe card (by
the way for the person whose father is thinking of switching
to a Mac this is an excellent choice; get a Mac and can still
run all those IIe programs).  He has used AppleWorks for the IIe
for years, therefore most of his files are in AppleWorks format.
He is able to get the files to a 3.5" disk (still PRO-DOS) that
will mount on the Mac desktop (a feature of the IIe card/software).
However, when I open one of the AppleWorks docs in say MS Word
(version 5.0), all kinds of interesting control characters
that AppleWorks would reconize are converted in neat, but totally
useless characters.  This is a work around.  You can print to
disk as an ASCII file from AppleWorks, which Word should have
no problem with.  However, most formatting would be lost AND
this would be a very tedious task!!  I was wondering if anyone
has heard/seen of a translation utility for PRO-DOS similiar
to Dataviz's utilities for PC to Mac (and back) transfer.
There are some default translations settings for Apple File
Exchange (ie Text).  If anyone knows of any translators
that will do AppleWorks to Word that will function with or
without AFE, I would appreciate it greatly.  Or if anyone
who knows of any word processor on the Mac that will directly
read in AppleWorks files would be helpful also.

Thanks,

Scott Maxwell
The University of Michigan
smaxwell@engin.umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:10 EST
From: FRIDBERG@ALCVAX.PFC.MIT.EDU
Subject: VGA monitor <-> Mac IIci cable [Q]

In a previous article, Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> wrote:
>On 12 AUG 92 11:17:30.15-GMT you said:
>>What connections should be made to attach a VGA Monitor
>>to a MacIIci ?  Side question: is it the same cable to
>>attach this Monitor to a LCII, a IIsi, a Quadra
>
>The IIci and IIsi DO NOT support VGA.  Apple promised that the LC would
>have a //e card.  The //e has an entirely different scan rate than the
>Mac.  Therefore, it was necessary to design the LC with VRAM that
>supports multiple scan rates (low and behold VGA got included in
>that--not really on purpose, but as a serendipitous benefit).  When
>Apple designed the Quadra they used existing VRAM technology (a problem
>that already had been solved) -- that is the LC's VRAM technology.  Why
>reinvent the wheel?  Hence, quite by chance the Quadra also will support
>VGA.  At least in theory, that means some clever sole could create a
>NuBus adapter for a //e card to work on a Quadra (I've still got enough
>//e disks around that I might even be persuaded to buy such a gadget ;-)
>
>The cable that works on an LC also works on a Quadra.  You'll find that
>all VGA isn't equal.  Some of the monitors produce decent Mac displays
>(Sony's 14" Trinitron, for example) while others produce really ugly
>color shifts :-(
>
Well, I dont know about Quadra or LS, but I'm using VGA monitor on my IIsi
with
no problems. I bought it from mac mail-order company for $350 plus $15 for
cable
Add said it can be used with LS and IIci as well. And I dont need any special
hardware or videocard to use it. Manual and plate on monitor said it's VGA
monitor for PC! So i guess you CAN use VGA monitors on IIsi. As about cable i
dont have its pinout here at work. If i can find it I'll send it to
you.
Mike

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:04 CDT
From: "William M. Porter" <WMPORTER@Jetson.UH.EDU>
Subject: VT100 emulation on Mac Plus?

A friend of mine is using her Mac Plus to log on to our university's VAX. For
some reason neither she nor I can figure out, she is unable to use the numeric
keypad keys the same way I can from my Macintosh LC II. What gives here? Did
the Mac Plus numeric keypad not send the proper character codes? Is there a
workaround for this?

If it matters, she is using System 7; QuickLink II telecom software. Our VAX
runs VMS. Thanks in advance. Post answers here or by e-mail to me.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:42 CDT
From: "Richard Z. Toptani"
<XM0SRZT%LUCCPUA.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: When is a 105 Mb HD not a 105 Mb HD? (R)

< I don't know if I am sending this to the right place,
  I've been reading the digests for a while, but have
  not been sure how to reply >

I read the original question about the formatting
of the 105Mb drives, because I have been wondering
about this for some time. Unfortunately, none of the
replies answer the question properly.

While it is true that Apple's formatting software does
not take advantage of all the available space on some
hard drives, and you can recover that lost space using
Apple's formatter (using the 'custom' option), or
Silverlining or HD Toolkit, the situation with
the Quantum 105 drives appear to be different.

I can use any of those programs to get 42+ Mb out
of my Apple (Quantum 40) hard drive, but I can only
get 100 Mb out of my Tsunami (Quantum 105) drive.

Does anyone know why?

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92  18:17 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: When is an x-Mb hard disk not an x-Mb hard disk?

I'm indebted to David Beach at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada (is
my guess right, David?) for sending me this info in the wake of recent
correspondence.  In case you didn't know already, the reason could well be
a hidden partition on your preformatted Apple drive!  To get at it, use
Apple's HD Setup utility and choose the Partition option.  It should display
a sort of map of the partitions on your drive.  On my internal hard disk,
advertised as being 80 Mb but amounting to only 76 Mb according to the
Finder, HD Setup reveals a small partition (maybe 64k?) for "Mac Drivers",
76 Mb for "(name of my hard disk)", and 3.5 Mb "free"!!!  How annoying!
David points out you can get rid of this extra partition by backing up your
disk and reformatting.  Hey, sugar daddies/mommies/whatever out there, how
about some moolah so I can buy an external 80 Mb drive...Groan

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:40:54 PDT
From: dwv@magic.geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Valentine)

We have ghostscript up and running on our calcomp plotter, and I would like to
print macintosh PS files on it. It is a E-sized color plotter, and the Apple
Laserwriter driver on has paper sizes up to Tabliod. Is their a way to modify
the  driver so it can handle E-sized jobs.  I'd like to have a 36 by 24 and a
48 by 72 option available.  I looked at DMM Laserwrtier stuff, but it only
changes the driver so it outputs no dictionary, and no truetype fonts.

Thanks in advance

Dave Valentine
dwv@magic.ucsb.edu
UCSB Geological Sciences

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