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From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Sinead O'Conner and why I responded...
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:19:02 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Okay, finally I wrote something to get some discussion moving through the
network here. Well, obviously I have touched some nerves by appearring to be
some flag-waving-god-I-love-America-as-much-as-apple-pie individual. Well,
it is true that I am all of that. I'm sorry if you think that I am weak or
cling to symbols, but none of that is true. America is a great place; sure,
it isn't a perfect country, but it holds a lot of history, tradition, and
values makes me proud to be an American.

My main gripe is that Sinead O'Conner is simply a bitch. I can't stand the
controversy that surrounds her. She seems to want to draw attention by
shaving all her hair off, ripping up pictures of the Pope (this is coming
from someone who is not Catholic), and refusing to sing anthems. In general,
she is nothing but a cry baby who feels that everything has been dumped on
her by society and that everyone should just leave her alone. I didn't ask
her to act this way, and it wasn't me who forced her "down" into the pits of
scoiety. I know a lot of people share these feelings with me; I'm just going
to be one of them who stands up to the controversy.

Finally, as far as I am concerned, everyone has the right to express his or
her views and feelings; it is known as freedom of expression as written in
the Bill of Rights. However, this also gives me the right to attack people
and let them know my views. I obviously can't force them down anyone's
throat, but I sure as hell can speak up, can't I?

Now enough of this nonsense. I'm with those who want to get back to
discussing Rush. Anyone else have a gripe? Just email me. Thanks.
-- 
Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees"
From: MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Armagettel
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:37:19 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <1992Dec14.173326.9388@iscsvax.uni.edu>, wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu
says:
>
>How about a discussion dealing with the Satanic aspects of Rush.  Come on now,
>we all know that Rush is simply a cult dedicated to Lucifer.  Certainly, the
>anti-God lyrics point us toward complete societal decay.  As a great pastor
>from Michigan once said:
>
>"Rush is another group that uses the occultic symbol of the five-pointed star.
>They use it on all of their albums.  One album features a nude man surrounded
>by levitating brains.  Their songs include The Battle of the Heart and Mind,
>Apollo Bringer of Wisdom, Armagettel . . . uh, Armageddon, and The Spirit of
>the Radio.  I bet they know a lot about the spirits of the radio."

Oh no, NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!


>Now, how can you escape the truth?

Give me a fuckin' break, take this to alt.christian or someother shit like
that, WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE THIS THREAD AGAIN!

>
>DPW (formerly the Analog Kid, until I reformed myself to the holy life)

Atheistically yours,

Mike
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From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.warlord
Subject: Re: RUSH?
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:06:49 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Dec17.001118.29516@tc.cornell.edu> inner-circle@crash.canon.co.uk writes:
>Hi. I saw a CD in the store today by a band called "Rush"
>and was wondering if this has anything to do with the movie
>"Rush" or maybe Rush Limbaugh (who is really funny!)
>Should I get it? I didn't like that movie much but I listen
>to Rush Limbaugh every day on the radio and heard he had an
>album out.
>
>Sorry if this is a newbie question but I've never heard
>of the BAND "Rush" before.
>
>Any ideas? Thanks.
>


matt, you dweeb!!!!! thanks for the reply-to line...

rachel@i.can't.believe.you.did.this.edu

bah.
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Subject: Re: Caress of Steel
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:22:12 GMT

exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:

>>I must disagree.  CoS is a great album and all, but I can't say that it is 
>>a "must have" for an occasional Rush listener.  It is a nice addition to an
>>already large collection of Rush albums, but I would put most of the other
>>albums ahead of it.  I like CoS, but I think I only really listen to the
>>first thre songs when I do... (Bastille Day, I think I'm going Bald, and
>>Lakeside Park)  Although I must say that Lakeside park is one of my favorite
>>songs.  

>Yes, Lakeside Park is truly excellent.

>I, too, would choose a different one as a favorite from the older set.  In 
>my case, A Farewell to Kings (esp. "Closer to the Heart").

My favorites from those two albums are the Necromancer and Xanadu.  I
dunno, I kinda like the stories & trying to find meaning in them.  I've
been told that the Necromancer is about Rush's dealings with a record
company... is that right?

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays...
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:36:51 GMT

Sorry for all of this crap below here.  My editor is different today....
	Rush-through-time is a japanese release.  I saw it in the imports
section about 10 years ago (I think it was even musicland).  It's got studio
cuts, so I never bothered with it, if I'd known it was so hard to come by, I'd
have bought it then.
	Earl

	I'm really sorry for this crap here.  I can't get rid of it!!!
I can't wait to get back to work so that I don't have to use a modem.

	Anybody have experience with Q-Modem and these editors?
> Christopher Mermagen@eng 
> 
>> 1st: Anyone know how much Rush through Time is worth (the album
>> without the cover picture on the platter)?
> 
> Rush through Time!!  Ah, the collection I always thought was more
> fiction than fact.  It was one of those things that somebody's older
> brother saw somewhere out of state once that would be really neat to
> have but, dammit, is just impossible to find.  My friends and I who
> listen to Rush always thought of it as "the Grail."  That being the
> case, I recall many pilgrimages to cubbyhole record stores and many,
> many disappointments....
> 
> So now I find that it really *does* exist.  Would anyone (Chris?) be
> kind enough to post some more information about this disc?  For instance:
>     o  Is it a bootleg?
>     o  What songs are included?
>     o  My friend claimed to have seen it on cassette once.  Is it out
>         on different formats?
>     o  If it isn't a bootleg and it doesn't contain any original tracks,
>         what the hell is its purpose?
>     o  Why haven't I seen it in any discographies?  Even Archives and
>         Chronicles made those.
> 
> 
> Please shed some light here.  Thanks...
> 
> Joe
> 
> P.S.  Happy holidays...get some rest...listen to some tunes...$@&#& work.
> 
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: What are these notes?
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:47:40 GMT

> If you're referring to what I think you're referring, namely what I've
> always known and loved as The Awesome Xanadu Riff, it goes (and this is
> by ear, I've never seen it written out anywhere--they may change a note
> or two, or add a couple strokes on the same notes at the end of the song):
> E/12 --> A/10/2 --> B/12/2 --> D#/11/1 --> G#/9/2 --> A/10/2
> 
> --> E/9/3
> 
> and then it repeats. Happy hunting, and don't forget the righteous
> distortion when the bass and drums kick in... ;)
	I think that's it (I don't have my guitar right here...), I'll take it
home and try it.  Thankx.

	Also, I just looked at the tab directory.  It's got a broad range of
stuff, but isn't yet complete.  If enough people are interrested, I have a copy
of RUSH-COMPLETE it's the complete sheet music (without solos) up to signals. 
I'm interested in getting tabs (I've got everything from the directory as of
12-16-92) later than signals.  I could take the time to put the tabs into
electronic format if anybody's interested.  I don't know a lot about notes, but
I can copy a visual image well enough...
	Let me know (e-mail saves wasted newsgroup time, but I read as much as
I can!)
	
	Earl
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|===   and just be yourself.                                          ===|
From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:20:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <101918@netnews.upenn.edu> lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.173353.25294@pool.info.sunyit.edu> utdp@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Thomas Prohigh) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.171046.7069@iitmax.iit.edu> boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman) writes:
>>>

>[Survey about Sinhead O'Conner deleted]

>>She sucks and is very Anti-American.  I am from New Jersey and have seem many
>>shows at the "Garden State Arts Center (GSAC).  They ALWAYS start off a show 
>>by
>>playing the National Anthem.  She REFSUED to go on stage if they did this.  It
>>was the first time EVER in the 25+ years of the GSAC that they did not play
>>it.  Needless to say she will NEVER play there again.

>Mmmmm. There is nothing that pisses off righteous god-fearing New 
>Jersians more than standing on your principles. I mean, really, refusing
>to perform because of the national anthem of the United States of Amerika is
>played before your show. 




>-- 
>John "taking cover" lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu

That's right, John. You'd better take cover; I am very proud of America and
of our national anthem. Any Anti-American bald-headed bitch who thinks that
whatever she says go and that I am nothing better than a right-winged facist
who enjoys showing his patriotism and love of America (that is how you spell
it, by the way) should go fuck herself. Are you saying that principle is
nothing but a crock and that everyone should go burn a flag today? Well, I
feel really sorry for you; obviously you are a weak-spined jellyfish who
cannot help but conform to the new age ideas of society. Do you not love
your country? I am not saying that America is perfect, but I can't
understand why you refuse to show a little national pride. Or have I missed
something and it is now "hip" to be anti-America?


-- 
Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees"
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Sinead stuff related to Rush
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:20:04 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Dec14.220328.21974@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>I thought about this a while, and thought I'd attack it from a new angle:
>what would you all think if Neil had decided that he did not want a
>national anthem played before a Rush performance?  My guess is that somehow
>there would be strong support for his actions, and we would not hear all
>the complaints from some of you. 

No complaints here!

> I also think Neil has alluded to in his
>songwriting the fact that people's attitudes towards religion are the cause
>of much pain and suffering in this world, which in a warped way is what
>Sinead was doing when she ripped the picture of the Pope.

I think he's been much _more_ clear in saying that people's attitudes
toward nationalism are the cause of much pain and suffering. But then
again Rush puts the statue of liberty in videos (DEW, in a positive way)
and album insleeves (HYF, apartment window).


>Of course, Neil would never stoop to such a cheap way of getting attention,
>since he doesn't seem the type that likes to stand out.

EXACTLY!

>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

[Hey Brian, gonna be in Madtown on 21.12 (12/21 :) )? I'm going to be
visiting my alma mater UW-Madison then and would be interested in
talking Rush with another (apparently) devoted fan.]


Gregg

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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: duboc00@DMI.USherb.CA (CHRISTIAN DUBOIS)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if...
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:30:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.041206.12692@news.columbia.edu> jrl8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (James R Lendino) writes:
>... Geddy, Neil, and Alex knew how to read/write music when they first started?
>A friend of mine said that Geddy just recently learned how to notate music; I
>guess that means if this is true, that they would just get together and
>jam, and record what they liked.  My friend said people had to notate
>the music and whatever for them.  This would be a great inspiration to
>all of us who just jam on our instruments and can't read sheet music,
>but to me it seems highly unlikely that Rush was able to put together
>stuff like Xanadu without knowing how to communicate their ideas
>quantitatively to each other.
>
>Just wondering,
>-JRL
>
>
>-------------------------------
>James R. Lendino
>jrl8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
>-------------------------------

Well I just recently learned that Ian Anderson, leader of Jethro Tull
still don't know how to read music, so as to annotate it. If you a little
about their music, you'd know that it can be very complex (not always but
a lot of their stuff is). Ok they had David Palmer for quite a time (he
is a orchest director among otherhings)) who could (and have) helped with
that, but for quite a long time now he's not with the band and yet their
music is still complex. 

My point is that if you have three people who are able to express them-
selves through music as if it was just another language, I think that
they can make very big and complex musical constructions without knowing
how to write it down on paper. A good story teller don't have to know
how to write and if is able to record is stories, he could make very long
ones, don't you think?

		Just my 2 cents...

						JETHRO
						King of the Hill 
						(for now)







Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:40:54 -0500 
From: Joseph Velardi <jv14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Kill this thread 


Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.rush: 14-Dec-92 

> How about a discussion dealing with the Satanic aspects of Rush.

What's the matter?  Didn't you learn a lesson a few months ago when this
thread exploded everywhere?  Post this to alt.satanic.music.arguments or
alt.stick.a.burr.under.the.christian.holier.than.thou.confrontational.
fundamentalists.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

Joe 
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: Chronicles CD
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:56:49 GMT

Well, I would normally mail something like this, but the mailer
came back with a dain related problem.  So, here it is -- captured
off the terminal, direct to <everyone's> door...


*--*  12-19-92  -  07:45:42  *--*
In article <724687562.0@altern8.mi> you write:
> CCJ> Yes, I noticed the "gap" on my Chronicles cassette
> CCJ> during NWM.  I was always
> CCJ> wondering about that, but I never had anybody to
> CCJ> compare with (most of my
> CCJ> friends aren't Rush fans)... their loss.
>
>Thank you. At least now I know I'm not alone. Does anyone know if this same
>dropout problem is also on the CD?
>
>Definitely their loss for not being Rush fans!

Yes, I already posted this... it's NOT on the cd...

RiViT
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: hammekr@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth R. Hammett)
Subject: Re: shine-head o' connor
Reply-To: hammekr@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:48:17 GMT

It _does_ seem like having no principles is in vogue these days.
Or at least being opposed to someone else's principles.  Whatever
it is she accomplishes by refusing to allow the playing of
our National Anthem before her concerts and ripping up a picture
of the Pope on SNL doesn't seem to have a very *constructive*
message to it.  It was refreshing to see some national pride
responding to the Braves' faux pas  before the Series.  (With
the Canadian Flag)  Does she have a positive political agenda
that I'm not aware of?  Or is she just against any "power
structure" that's not perfect?

And is this the propler forum for this discussion? ;*)


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*  Rich.Hammett@eng.auburn.edu         Because it happens.      *
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: larsen@hellgate.utah.edu (Steve Larsen)
Subject: Re: quickly written songs (was: Re: Lyrics for _Force Ten_)
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:38:27 GMT

tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:
: |> >Well, actually it took a few hours to write "Force Ten", as was documented in
: |> >_Visions_, but that's still pretty quick.
: |> 
: |> 	Rush has done this quite a bit, it seems.  Other songs they have
: |> written to fill up time on their albums.  Three other songs that have been
: |> written in just a few hours are:
: |> 	Closer to the Heart
: |> 	Beneath, Between, Behind
: |> 	New World Man.
: 
: I have always understood that "Vital Signs" was also in this category.
: Anyone know for sure?  (I checked the FAQ before posting, thank you 
: very much.)
: 

  True, Vital Signs was written in the studio when the band found out they had a little more
space than they thought they would.  I think this song alone goes miles for the boyz reputation.  
What a great song to be written under this circumstance.

Steve
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Biggest AOR 'hit' (was Chronicles)
From: fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:30:33 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu


>
>And, on to other things, does anybody know what Rush's biggest AOR 'hit' was?
>The stations I've listened to, seem to play a pretty equal balance of Rush, 
>but I have heard Tom Sawyer on the radio a few more times than the other.
>I've also heard La Villa Strangiato quite a few times, but every time the 
>DJ announces, "and now a little known instrumental from Rush..."  (little
>known?  Well, they've sure played it a lot for being little known...  Anyway,
>it is one of the best instrumentals ever recorded....)>
>Jeremy


If I had to guess as to what Rush's biggest AOR `hit`, it would be between `Tom
Sawyer`, `Limelight`, or `The Spirit Of Radio`.  It seems that whenever I hear
Rush on the radio, most of the time it is one of these three.  Fortunately, I am
a D.J. at our campus station, and I make sure that Rush is played at least once
during my three hour shift.  Over the course of three years, I have played
`2112`, `Hemispheres', 'By-Tor and the Snowdog`, `The Fountain of Lamneth`, `The
Necromancer', etc.  It is always fun to throw these excellent tunes in to excite
other Rush fans who can't believe their ears..........

Frank Sereno
Kansas State University

"Jesus Tom...turn it to DB92.....their playing the Broon`s Bane/The
Trees/Xanadu medley......I can't believe it......"

"Sweet!!!!"

The Spirit of Radio is alive and well here in Manhattan, Kansas............
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: kyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kris Young)
Subject: Re: Armagettel
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:42:08 GMT


Don't joke about that shit.  I have talked to people who said that kind of
stuff, and believed every damn bit of it.  Pretty sad.  Some people just don't
have a clue.

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Subject: Re: Armagettel
Reply-To: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:17:14 GMT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We've had enough of that shit before ! What kind of fascist is that dude ?
Probably one of those who think the world was flat !?

Enough told about THAT !

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Biggest AOR 'hit' (was Chronicles)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:42:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.013202.8428@eng.umd.edu> cmermag@eng.umd.edu (Christopher Mermagen) writes:
>
>Around here in D.C. on DC101, it seems to be a cross between Fly by
>Night and Freewill..
>
>In Baltimore on macheezmo station 98 rock, it seems to be Tommy S.
>
>In Annapolis on Hard rock 103.1 Underground, they play everything
>from fly-by-night all the way up to Big Wheel from RTB!!! They
>have actually played a song off every rush disc that I know of
>(yes, even COS)..
>
	100.7 (WGRX) damn hard to get anywhere South of Severna Park, MD and
East of the Western Shore, plays a good variety of Rush tunes, and I think
that I have heard at least one song from every album on that station.  Faves
include New world man, Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, Limelight, Freewill and
The Spirit of Radio, and they like FBN alot, too...

>Take it easy-
>Chris

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