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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: \*Mini Spoilers\* Schizms/Cause and Effect
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:49:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov16.3208.15504@dosgate>, bernie.wong@canrem.com (bernie wong)
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> Mj> Did anyone notice that the thing that they used to track Riker in
> Mj> "Schizms" wasthe same as what Data used to send himself a message in
> Mj> "Cause and Effect"?  I happened to watch both in a row on tape and I
> Mj> noticed this.  I was wondering if these were meant to be the same
> Mj> device (dechion (sp?) field I remember in C&E, but I don't remember
> Mj> specifics from "Schizms") or was it just a case of reusing an old prop?
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>No, I'm sure you've got it wrong.
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>The thingamabob in Schisms had numbers and buttons on it.  The one fron
>Cause and Effect did not.  However, I did notice that they thing they
>used to track Barclay in Realm of Fear WAS the same as the one from
>Cause and Effect.
Thanks for mentioning three of my favorite episodes in one entry.
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From: skinner@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Skinner)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:53:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Why 30 minute show?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

In rec.arts.startrek.current, chrisa@fc.hp.com (Chris Anderson) writes:

>For those of you who have not seen ``Fistful of Datas'', !!SPOILERS AHOY!!
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>episode  ``Fistful of Datas'' and not ONE person  mentioned  that the show only
>lasted 30 minutes  this week!  At least on Denver's  KWGN and  Cheyenne's  KGWN
>they both aired a 30 minute  version of the show.  I mean, what's going on?  At
>6:00 pm Saturday night I flip on the show and I catch the opening  credits.  At
>6:30 the  closing  credits  are rolling  up!  The show had what  seemed  like a
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>I think this was meant to be a 60 minute show that for some reason had been cut
>to 30 minutes.  Anybody else see the 30 minute version?
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Show started at 5:30 PM on Denver's station to make room for Nuggets game
starting at 6:30.  Did you see the opening credits from Cheyenne at 6:00 and
watch the rest of the show from Denver?

Bill Skinner
From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Fistful of Datas best line
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:09:50 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1e7jdaINN5ml@agate.berkeley.edu>, ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
> In article <92320.144712PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>  Patrick Stewart saying convincingly and with a straight face "I'm really not
>>much of an actor."  I was on the floor.
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> always quoting Shakespeare, was Data's acting coach (in The Offspring,
> I think), and, recently, in Time's Arrow II there was that awful scene
> in the boarding house where they pretended to be an acting troop to
> fool the landlady.  So, he has shown himself to be *something* of an
> actor, though maybe not a good one.

Well, I think he was actually tired of being interrupted as he was so intent on
playing his flute with the computer accompaniment.  He was probably trying to
get everyone out of his office, so he could enjoy his leisure time.
It was hilarious....'don't worry, Jean Luc, it's the BUTLER, only TWO LINES!'

Great show!

-Pamela Cho-
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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: What's the Opinion on Geordi's Beard?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 08:34:30 EST

It's a silly question, but is "Quality of Life" the first episode in
which we see Geordi with a beard?
The beard looks--um--so-so, on him, but personally I think he'd be
better off with just a moustache.
Another silly question: post-TOS (we're not getting into the crab-on
the-skull questions), does anyone remember seeing a male Klingon WITH-
OUT a beard?
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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: Why 30 minute show?
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:07:52 GMT

In article <BxtnLn.9Gx@fc.hp.com> chrisa@fc.hp.com (Chris Anderson) writes:
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Pretty weird.  We saw all 60 minutes' worth in Toronto.  And there's
nothing that would invite censorship in the first 1/2 hour.  Sounds to
me like your local station just screwed up big!

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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Quality of Life <spoilers>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:17:53 GMT

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
Spoiler warning, since it was left out...


:)Data should be shot.  Who is in charge of the Enterprise, is there a chain
:)of command or not?!  Riker's credibility as a commanding officer hs surely
:)been lost.  What happens if every bridge officer in Starfleet starts disobeyi
:)orders like that?  Well of course it's only a TV show, but this constant
:)Data Mutiny is wearing thin.

I wouldn't say it's constant, but that's besides the point...
What is the point of having morals if you're just going to disregard them
because someone tells you to. I, for example, would never join the army,
even under draft, because I won't kill. I may get thrown in jail, or I
may be put on some sort of medical assignment, but whatever happens, I
won't do it. Why is it a problem when Data stands by his morals?

:)I found the episode unbelievable and totally unrealistic and it quickly
:)deteriorated into another "Data takes over the ship" episode. (Is anyone
:)keeping count of these?)

Hardly that. As I pointed out elsewhere, he suspended transporter
operations. ANY of the bridge officers could have done that to the point that
it would have taken some period of time to figure out what happened.

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From: 871288p@dragon.acadiau.ca (Paul Pick)
Subject: Re: Quality of Life (spoilers)-data
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:22:13 GMT

>>>Data should be shot.  Who is in charge of the Enterprise, is there a chain
>>>of command or not?!  Riker's credibility as a commanding officer hs surely
>>>been lost.  What happens if every bridge officer in Starfleet starts 
>>>disobeying orders like that?  Well of course it's only a TV show, but this 
>>>constant Data Mutiny is wearing thin.

>>Hear, hear. Officers should not be excused from following orders just because
>>they personally are uncomfortable. If it's not a clear-cut case, that everyone
>>in their right minds would agree on, of someone giving an immoral order, they
>>should obey first and ask questions later. 

>	Such things don't exist in the real world.

 Oh yes they do... ( be mindful that he was speaking in a general sense ).
If someone is ordered to ( for example ) rape an enemy prisonner... he
may refuse on the basis that it is an immoral act. One cannot be ordered
to disobey the Geneva Convention, for example. Such orders just do not
carry weight.

>	Glad you folks aren't in either the military OR the police.

 Right... I'm afraid that people actually need to follow orders sometimes
guy... the military just cannot function otherwise. If I were in Riker's
spot I would have had Data court-martialled. Since it turned out that his
suggestion accomplished the objective without losing the exocomps, it is
possible that he would only lose a rank. If Starfleet was really out to 
lunch, they may have only given him a black mark on his record... but
there should be _no way_ around the court-martial.
 
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From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: fan scripts
Keywords: script
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:06:53 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

[bit about fans writing scripts]
[reply about intelligent machines]

>How about computers that automatically electrocute aggrivating
>englishmen?
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Naaaaahhh, they have them already, designed in the states I think,
what is it they call them now?  Ummmmmm, ah yes, PC's.

Well I thought it was kinda amusing anyway.  Sorry if no-one else did,
but I've got a truly warped sense of humour - its all those electric 
shocks.
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Well, far be it from me to say so but.........

Mark
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Cardassians and the 6th Season
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:04:26 GMT

Charlie_Hutchins@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Hutchins) writes:

>Could someone with any confiming knowledge explain what is going to happen in
>Chain Of Command and the proposed Season Finale "Battlefield" (if that wasn't
>a joke). I never get to read the BBS so could one of you please e-mail me the
>story behind the new episodes revolving around the Cardassians. Thank you

In "Chain of Command", the Cardassians will capture and torture Jean-Luc
Picard, and it will have an adverse effect on his ability to command.
While he, Crusher, and Worf are away from the _Enterprise_, a new captain
will be in command for the interim.  There may also be a correllation with
the premiere of Deep Space 9 and "Chain of Command".


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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Fistful of Datas best line
Date: 16 Nov 1992 07:42:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <92320.144712PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  Patrick Stewart saying convincingly and with a straight face "I'm really not
>much of an actor."  I was on the floor.

Actually I thought it didn't make much sense.  I mean, given how he's
always quoting Shakespeare, was Data's acting coach (in The Offspring,
I think), and, recently, in Time's Arrow II there was that awful scene
in the boarding house where they pretended to be an acting troop to
fool the landlady.  So, he has shown himself to be *something* of an
actor, though maybe not a good one.
From: urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Credits: The Quality of Life
Keywords: credits
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:56:32 GMT
Reply-To: urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <BxuILF.MD9@cs.uiuc.edu> noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
(Quality of Life)

		Written By			Naren Shankar

	[end credits]
		Science Consultant		Naren Shankar


Well.

Isn't _that_ an interesting way to get into the screewriting business!
	Mike Urban

	urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov
From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:48:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <102912@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>In article <By5zs1.H4s@iai.kfk.de> seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner) writes:
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>>That's an interesting point. Psychologically, men who have beards want to
>>hide something, they don't want to "show their face".
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>Men who shave are ones who are trying to hold on to their youth 
>out of a feeling that it was misspent or a have fear of the future 
>or maturity.  So, you see, you can interpret shaving as some
>psychological fear as well.
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>reflect on me whatsoever ;-).

>Tom Kuchar			  

Hey, why doesn't someone else make a sweeping generalization about men
with or without beards?

Gee, why do you have long hair?
Why do you have short hair?
Why do you wear the clothes you wear?

I have a beard for four reasons...
1) Women tell me they like it, and come up
   to me and stroke my face.

2) I spend the extra fifteen min that it would
   take me to shave asleep.

3) It keeps my face warm in the winter

4)  It makes me look older.


I have a sterotypical opinion about men who shave...

They waste time by giving in to an idea imposed upon
them by society...

or

They don't have enough testosterone in their system to
even concieve of a full bodied beard let alone grow
one that even looks slightly good.


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From: mdvs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Davis)
Subject: The quality of life.....SUCKS
Summary: This is to express my horror at Quality of Life, and tyou who liked it!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:45:32 GMT

	I was appalled at the latest episode of ST:TNG.  It was HORRIBLE.
What scares me even more was that the rest of you people seem to like it. HOW?
Was that really the season finale??? there better be more.

	Ok, nitty gritty......The story was decent, I like the idea of DATA
being the defender of life.  Neat way to do it.   BUt throughout the episode,
three things were evident that were unforgivable:
	1) The execcoms(or whatever) were so unbelievably below the typical
	special effects of this show as to elicit laughter from both myself
	and my roommate.  No one can make me believe taht that creature was 
	not on strings.  And I was horrified.

	2) The lines of the story, what each actor had to say, were very, well,
	predictable.  Each one of their lines seemed to be written by someone
	with absolutely no creativity.  THye were their catch phrases, such as
	Piccard's "engage", normally symbols of there unique character, used
	in situations in which it was totally uncalled for and out of place,
	thus removing some of the effect the characters normally have.

	3)	The acting was POTHETIC.  To tell you the truth, I am surprised
	Patrick Stewart would allow him to be seen like that.  If I were him,
	I would be afraid of being laughed off the stage at the next Shakes-
	speare convention.

I do not feel taht the acting shows any lack of ability for each actor (except
for the one-timer, Dr Farraday(whatever))  But each actor eemed very stilted,
very cued.  There were pauses between lines that my high school drama teacher
would have "driven a Mack truck through" and shot us if we were on stage.  
	THe opening scene had no motivation--in fact I feel that during most of
the show, the actors all showed a lack of motivation.  They simply did not give
me the idea that they knew WHY they were saying these lines, Why they were 
walking from here to there.  I really feel this was true for the whole show.
I can only hope that John Frakes makes a comeback with the next one.  If his
directing career depended on this episode, he would have just been booted out
of Hollywood.



On another note--I feel used, violated, and otherwise just angry that there is
talk of a Star Trek VII.  The only reason I went to see VI was because I felt
it had to be the last one and I should say goobye to characters and times I 
so enjoyed before.  when will it end?  Must they drive it so far into the
ground that they may never again feel glory or pride in their work?

			SIGHHHHHHHH


						Distraught,


							Mike Davis

					mdvs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

(please send me replies--whether agree or not!)
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: FLAME THE CREATORS
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:23:05 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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eesd2ag@dct.ac.uk wrote:
>  I was wondering is it possible to send E-MAIL to the 
>creators of ST:TNG. So they could know how much of a flaming they are
>getting ??

There has always been speculation regarding whether r.a.s. was reviewed
by ST:TNG writers/creators/actors.  Various rumors about some actors 
having access to various accounts have cropped up from time to time,
but have rarely been confirmed by the actor.  One author is known to
pop in from time to time, but I don't believe this author writes much
for the show (just comic books, novels, and the occassional convention).

But, the people at the show are slightly aware of the Internet, just not
too concerned.  The one statement that sticks with me in essence, though
I don't remember the original quote, was one made by someone related with
the show who was questioned about the INTERNET flaming.  They pointed
out that Usenet posters are an incredibly small fraction of the total
number of viewers, and their posted opinion would hardly matter.

To prove the point, ST:TNG is still one of the most highly watched 
shows in syndication according to the last set of records I encountered.
The show is doing exceptionally well.  It appears, with ST:DS9, that it
will even spawn another show [this appears to be a sign of success
for shows these days].

So, while it is possible that the creators of the show (excepting, of
course, the real creator, Gene Roddenberry) might be aware of the
"flaming" they're getting here, I doubt that they are seriously
concerned.  You see, the general whining here over episodes just isn't
important.

Mark Runyan  {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
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From: jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef)
Subject: Re: Trek in the News / CODCO Parody
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:50:57 GMT

gen4033@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:



>BTW, CODCO's first episode of the season featured a ST:TNG parody.
>It was only available, I believe, to Canadian viewers on CBC-TV.

Well, we get CBC on our campus closed-circut cable system, and I got to 
watch it too.  Although the bridge set was impressive, that's about all
that I liked about it.  I don't know; I guess I just didn't like the 
type of humor in it (no offense to those that do).  It was funny to see
Geordi in the background just punching buttons and saying nothing.
All in all, though, it just wasn't that funny.  
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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: How fast is Scotty's loaner shuttle?
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:59:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <ulp1Hlp2_a@atlantis.psu.edu> JAM@ECL.PSU.EDU (Joseph A Miranda) writes:
>It will take him forever to get from one place to another at warp 1.2.
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>At warp 2 for 36 hours the range is only about 2620 AUs.  And it is about
>10,000 from earth to the nearest star.

Hey, this is Scotty we`re talking about!  He would've been bored insensate
without a CHALLENGE!  By the time he reaches the nearest starbase, he'll
have reworked it to Warp 4 cruise capability and Warp 6 peak.  Of course,
no one else will be able to make heads or tails of half of his hacks...

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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Fistful of Datas best line
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:45:10 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Nov18.221840.13010@afit.af.mil>, jmiller@afit.af.mil (Jeffrey C Miller) writes:
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>>much of an actor."  I was on the floor.
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I also loved Data's accent.  He really had it down well.  I'm from Lubbock,
Texas originally, so I feel ah can distern a REEL accint when ah hear one.

My favorite line with an accent was when 'Pa' came in to look at his 'boy',
and said 'ELI!   How're they treating you, boy?'  Of course, Eli's accent was
also terrific with his whiny voice, 'They ain't gave me nuthing to eat since ah
got here, and the sherrif's been roughin' me up somethin' fierce.'  Finally,
Pa's classic...'Don't worry son, you'll be out of here in time for supper.'

The hilarious part is that Data is saying the same thing to Riker concerning
the systems being purged back to their previously saved state.  This was such a
great show.

I think this show also showcased some of Brent's acting talents.  Remember the
Peter Sellers' movies where everyone in the show is played by him?  
-Pamela Cho-