HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:58:24 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Aug26.232922.17792@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>I'm convinced your generalizations about who may demand, who bitches,
>& who contributes, are simply not true.  Perhaps you might produce
>some statistical evidence to support your claims.
>
I might, but I am not so inclined to bother.

>As for "specifications", there are no specifications that I have seen
>for posting to the net.

I believe it was you who took Ken to task for using "outdated"
terminology.  Is that not making a specification?

>precisely.  Medical information that is not communicated in this
>manner may quite easily mislead someone into injuring themselves or
>others.  
>

How does "juvenile diabetes" vs. "Type 1 diabetes" mislead anyone
into injuring themselves?  Do you think that someone is going
to say "I'm an adult, so I must not be a juvenile diabetic
so I'll just stop taking my insulin" because of something they
read on the net?  Get real!  I can't remember seeing a post
that gives people instructions on how to treat themselves
(from us anyhow, we see a lot of them from the alternative
& vitamin crowd).  

>From what appeared to me to be more than post requesting the accurate
>use of current terminology, I observe that a significant part of the
>bitching about this matter has come from you.  & certainly the

I have never posted about this except in response to you or
one of the other people who was complaining.  I suppose that
answering your complaints is considered a significant part of
the bitching.  Asking for clarification never got a rude noise
from this quarter, but if you are going to be snotty yourself,
as your initial post to Ken was, I do have a rather short fuse on this 
and so I wasn't exactly cool.  And speaking of using correct
terminology, "screw" is not profanity, although I agree it is vulgar.



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From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Treatment of Renal Cyst
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:22:20 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <1CE00001.mf1jye@lemoore.UUCP> Kevin@lemoore.ati.com writes:
>
>for several months from annoying to severe at times. No  Gallbladder
> problems were found so the tech fished around and did find a 4 cm.
>area within the right kidney appearing to her to be a cyst. An I.V.P.
>confirmed and a C.T. scan was done confirming the same. My question
>is how are these usually treated. I am planning on seeing a Urologist
>A.S.A.P. I would appreciate any info that would be presented about
>treatment.
>
The great majority of simple renal cysts are benign. The usual
treatment is to leave them alone.

Now, having said that, be advised that I never said this. Especially
if you plan to take this as medical advise. Which is not. Even if it
is.
In case you consider yourself injured (physically or otherwise) by this
or any of my postings, and are planning to take legal action against me,
please contact Ken Mitchum, whom I hereby appoint chief of my Legal
Defense Fund.

--------------------
Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu
From: hogstedt@ae.chalmers.se (Per Hogstedt)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Mercury in dental fillings?
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:40:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Applied Electronics. Chalmers Univ. of Technology.

In article <1992Aug25.014807.25871@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
> In article <1992Aug22.182050.22361@cs.ucla.edu> wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales) writes:
> }David Favor wrote:
> }
> }>Mercury deteriorates in 4-12 years, dependent mainly on
> }>diet and personal metabolic type/rate.
> }
> }... this figure is exces-
> }sively short.  I, for example, have several amalgam fillings in my mouth
> }that have been there for 25 (that's right, twenty-five) years and still
> }show no appreciable signs of deterioration.  ...
> 
> What he said, only more so.  I've got mercury amalgam fillings that are
> over 30 (count 'em) 30 years old.
> 
> The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)

I see little use of continuing arguing this, since you are in a sense right
all of you.
The amalgam fillings do deteriorate in the sense that mercury is released
from the amalgam all the time due to several reasons, e.g. the corrosion that
takes place in the filling, eating, drinking hot drinks et.c. So in this sense
the amalgan deteriorates.
But on the other hand, the fillings may stay there for very long time, in
extrene cases (>30 years) even after almost all the mercury have left the
filling. The rate at wich this happens depends among other things on type of
amalgam (Gamma-2, nonGamma-2 et.c) but also the factors I mentioned above.
 
Dental amalgams are not very easy to understand from a metallurgical point
of view, the "microscopic" composition changes over time as corrosion, phase
transitions and what have you is taking place.
Futhermore, the release of mercury can be increased many times over the normal
if the amalgam is exposed to alternating magnetic fields of sufficient strength
and spectral distribution (frequency). In those cases, a clear change of the
surface morphology is also noted.

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From: ja0f@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEANNE E. ADAMS)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: KIDNEY DISEASE INFORMATION SEARCH
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:54:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am looking for any information available on medullary cystic kidney disease.
So for I know that it is gentic and degenerative.  I am especially looking for
prognosive information and help on how to deal with daily symptoms.  I am also
interested in how much help a low protein diet really is, especially in
controlling morning nausea.  I am looking for people to call or books to read.
Thank you for your help in advance.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:56:36 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In referenced article ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>>Although such gurus are frequently the owners of remarkable egos, this is
>>the first time I've seen anyone in any technical group suggest that the
>>lack of payment for their "services" should form the basis of the net's
>>relationship with them.
>
>Amazing how dense some people are!  You thought the point was
>that we should be paid?

Indeed.  Your first sentence applies remarkably well to your second.
Thinking that you should be paid, or that that was the point, couldn't be
further from what I wrote and you quote, nor what I thought.

The point, *your* point, which I so strongly disagree with, is that the
*lack* of payment for "expert" pronouncements on the net should dictate the
rights of response by the recipients.  You repeat this once more:

>But, the point is, that unless you are paying you have no right to demand
>that the information be served according to your specifications.

Further, do you really see "demands" in that particular exchange?  I saw it
as someone (perhaps trying to demonstrate their own knowledge, who cares)
question the poster's terminology - correctly as it so happens.

>And those who seem to bitch all the time rarely contribute anything
>of value themselves, anyhow.

I suppose it's ingenuous of me to point out how wonderfully self
referencial that statement is!

At another time, in another place, I'm sure Dr. Banks has the capacity to
say " Touche' " at this point and get on with Life, but unfortunately as
this is usenet, I suppose we can expect another blast of his charming
net-side manner:

>So if you don't like what you are getting for free, screw you.

For free, certainly is all that *that* particular expert opinion is worth.
-- 
Ray Dunn at home    |    ray@philmtl.philips.ca    |    (514) 630 3749
From: Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: References on hypoglycemia
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:35:55 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/715 - Alternative Lifesty, Wyndmoor PA


 To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
 
 PB> Hypoglycemia is one of those disorders where the 
 PB> patients know they have 
 PB> a problem, but many within the medical 
 PB> establishment scoff at the syndrome 
 PB> that is claimed to be responsible, and not 
 PB> without reason. Many people 
 PB> were diagnosed as having hypoglycemia when that 
 PB> diagnosis was `fashionable,'
 PB> and yet the current medical consensus is that 
 PB> hypoglycemia as an illness 
 PB> is rare.
 
Certain drugs can cause something similar to 'hypoglycemia', but only
in one organ (the brain). Standard tests do not disclose any problem
in these cases. Then too, these patients are prone to metabolic problems not 
usually diagnosed as their primary condition. Not all
patients present with even those potential metabolic problems -
poorly metabolised glucose and cholesterol. I have a feeling that
if I cite the problems here there will be a lot of people saying,
"Oh, that's me...", and they would cease taking their medications
(which would result in death). So pardon me if I restrain from posting
it here.
  However, it was cited by Dr. William H. Theodore, M.D., in Epilepsia,
29(Suppl. 2):S48-S55, 1988 and is in part cited in Back77 UI 79190191
(MESH UI). Not many poeple have access to these, but most MD's do.


 

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Seiler)
Subject: The dangers of a low cholesterol level
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Hughes/STX
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:15:35 GMT

  A friend of mine in Phoenix, AZ told me he read an article in the
newspaper about the results of a study that showed a number of afflictions
statistically associated with persons who have cholesterol levels below
150. The article stated that the medical community was reluctant to
publicize the findings for fear that the general public would perceive
a risk in lowering their cholesterol levels. Is anyone familiar with
this study, or any others on this subject, and willing to provide a
critical assessment?

Ed Seiler
seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov
"If puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns."
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jgnassi@athena.mit.edu (John Angelo Gnassi)
Subject: Re: How to get to FDA BBS?
Organization: Massachusetts General Hospital - Lab of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:36:52 GMT

In article <r+an0na.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>A few months ago, I read about network access to an FDA bulletin board.
>The telnet address is fdabbs.fda.gov, but I don't remember the logon
>instructions.  Can anyone help?

From the December 1991 FDA Medical Bulletin:

==============================================================================
	A wide range of FDA information is now available free of
charge through the agency's Electronic Bulletin Board Service.  The
system can be reached by calling 800-222-0185 (except in Maryland use
301-227-6849 or -6857).

	Types of FDA information available on the bulletin board
include: news releases, FDA Enforcement Report, drug and device
product approvals, FDA Medical Bulletin, FDA Consumer magazine, FDA
Federal Register summaries, congressinal testimony, and speeches.

	All information is added to the bulletin board as soon as it
is puclicly released.

	When dialing the access number, the modem should be set to 7
bits, even parity, full duplex, and 1 stop bit.  The response to the
prompt "login" is "bbs".

	A user guide for the system is available online or from the
FDA's Parklawn Computer Center at 301-443-7318.  PCC can also answer
any questions users may have about the system.
==============================================================================


--
     John Angelo Gnassi			Lab of Computer Science
   jgnassi@hstbme.mit.edu		Massachusetts General Hospital
     "Eternal Student"			Boston, Massachusetts, USA
		"24 years of school down, 2 to go!"
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.213610.14277@newshost.lanl.gov> gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:

}... My impression
}from a few conversations I've had with psychiatrists is that the only 
}group as such within psychiatry that's leery of medicines is the psychoanalytic 
}crowd.  Is this the same as the "rabid minority movement"? ...

Hardly.  There are very few pure Freudian analysts left anyway.  My
pshrink considers himself to be psychoanalytically based, but has no
hesitation about prescribing medication he thinks appropriate.

}... So, who's in this "rabid
}movement" and why?  

Scientologists, mostly.  They don't like the competition from a real
science with published research to show its methods are effective.  Others
include disgruntled mental patients, some of whom undoubtedly have
legitimate complaints against various snake pit hospitals and
unqualified/incompetent practitioners.

}My other question is about the future of psychiatry:  if, as Ed Francell 
}claims, more and more "mental illnesses" are being shown to be biologically, 
}i.e. neurologically, based, then what will psychiatrists' role be?  As far 
}as I can tell, psychiatrists would become caretakers for peoples' neuroses, 
}and psycho-pharmacologists on the side.  ...

If the trend continues, I'd expect psychiatrists to become psycho-
pharmacologists primarily and leave the neurosis care-taking to the
psychologists, who are generally better qualified to do it.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk)
Subject: Re: Boils & Carbuncles
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:32:37 GMT


In article <1992Aug25.145453.26067@linus.mitre.org> cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter) writes:


> What's the difference between a boil and a carbuncle?  How  
> do you know which you have?  

A carbuncle is basically a cluster of boils (furuncles) that have
interconnected under the skin.  

> How do you treat each, and how
> do you prevent further appearances?  

Boils are caused by common staph bacteria that have made a home for
themselves just under your skin (say in a hair follicle).  They seem
to like warm, moist areas of the body best (I tend to get them on my
buttocks or thighs).

Treatment consists of warm compresses that improve blood circulation
and keep the infection near the surface of the skin.  Usually that's
all it takes.  The body's immune system will bring white blood cells
to the battle, increasing the amount of fluid and pus in the boil.  As
a result, it often ruptures and drains, and the boil then heals.  If
it just keeps growing without bursting, a doctor can lance it.

You may need to see a doctor for antibiotics (Ceclor??) if:

  -- your immune system is compromised (diabetes, etc.)

  -- redness or red streaks around the boil, or a fever, indicating
	the infection is spreading (cellulitis)

  -- the boil is on the face near a critical structure (e.g. eyelid)

If the boil bursts, the fluid that comes out is full of staph
bacteria.  So it's very important to keep the boil covered so that the
infectious fluid doesn't get on your clothing, towels, furniture,
etc., and spread the infection back to you or to someone else.  I have
found that putting some triple antibiotic ointment on the boil
helps--not to cure the boil, but to prevent the infectious fluid from
the boil from infecting nearby areas of my skin.  Also, towels and
clothing that have been in contact with the boil should be washed in
hot water.

Finally, it's also important to see a doctor if you are getting
frequent skin infections.  That can indicate a more serious underlying
disorder.  


> Thanks for any info you can provide...Chris (cwechter@mitre.org)



--
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	"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
From: peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Do "deodorant rocks" contain aluminum?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:06:10 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <LAUB.92Sep1224235@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> 
   laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:
> On 31 Aug 92 17:13:33 GMT, peerson@neyman.ucdavis.edu (Jan Peerson) said:
>[...]
>Jan> She would like to get away from aluminum-containing
>Jan> anti-perspirants, but does not know if the effective ingredient
>Jan> of this rock is aluminum.
>
>Is this the same aluminum that was linked to Alzheimer's disease?

Although we both recognize that no one has established a causal
link between aluminum intake and Alzheimer's, she sees no reason to take
chances.  No one is claiming that aluminum is an essential nutrient.
She also reported that her energy level seems to go up when she
avoids aluminum-containing anti-perspirant, but that it may be
psychological.  Unfortunately, anti-perspirant is an absolute
necessity for her!

- Jan
From: bernd@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Bernd Wechner)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: moderate sci.med??? alternative suggestion
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:59:47 GMT
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>The answer to this is for people who are annoyed with volume,
>repetition or the need to page past people they dislike, to have their
>sysadmins install a "threaded news reader" like "nn" or "trn".  With
>these programs, an entire thread is presented as a unit, and may be
>read completely, partially or skipped.  You can also see who has
>written the article to decide if you want to read it.
>
>End of problem.

I use nn. Alas, there are a hundred postings per day, and maybe thirty
plus threads. Reading once every few days, I don't even feel like
flicking through the multitude of threads anymore, the volume problem is
only slightly postponed by a threaded approach to reading. Then again, I
guess it'll only be slightly postponed by some of the alternatives too.

-- 
Bernd Wechner, Research Engineer                    (bernd@bhpcpd.kembla.oz.au)
BHP Coated Products Division, Research and Technology Centre
Port Kembla, New South Wales, Australia.
From: Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Don't laugh, I am having trouble opening my mouth.
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:36:14 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/715 - Alternative Lifesty, Wyndmoor PA


 To: woody@praxis.co.uk (Paul Woodman)
 
 PW> Don't laugh, I am having trouble opening my mouth.

 PW> 2 weeks ago, I had to give a presentation that involved talking
 PW> continuously for almost 4 hours. Afterwards, I could feel pain in
 PW> my jaw just below my left ear but didn't think anything of it
 PW> as the pain subsided later.

 PW> However, on Monday, I woke up to find that I had great difficulty
 PW> opening my mouth. I can only open it just about wide enough to
 PW> fit a Mars bar in, before I get a sharp pain coming from jaw below
 PW> left ear and the mouth wont go any wider.
 
Stuff deleted
 
 PW> Of course, I can go to the doctor but I feel a little stupid about
 PW> the problem so thought I would seek advice in this forum first.
 
Don't feel stupid. Didyou ever hear of 'Lockjaw'? (Tetanany) When was the last 
time you had a tetanus shot? See you Physician. Let him/her
decide what's wrong.


 

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: ec332saq@steam.uwaterloo.ca ([Fall BEACON account])
Subject: ACNE Treatment
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:28:43 GMT

Hi, I have some questions that I like to ask :


 Has any-one tried acne treatment products advertised
 on late night tv commercials ? Are these products safe (FDA approv. ? )  

 Are there any products that can remove scarring caused by acne ?

 I have seen 2 general practitioners and 1 dermatoligist (sp?) and
 they have prescribed soaps, cremes, gels, antibiotics (erythromyocin)
 but these products are not safe and work only with daily use for
 prolonged periods.

 Erythromyocin and Accutane (sp?) have known side-effects (most doctors 
 will not volunteer this information) .  It seems as if there is no easy
 or effective treatment that does not peel skin/leave scars/have dangerous 
 side effects.  

 Anyone willing to post their experiences or expert knowledge?
From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: KY Laws R.E. Nutrition Withdrawl
Date: 24 Aug 92 20:46:44 GMT
    <1992Aug24.200815.22447@newshost.lanl.gov>
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky

I wanted to give some further info to the poster who had a grandmother
in Kentucky who was not eating. The origional post inidicated that
the treating physician stated that there was a state law requiring
a feeding tube since the patient wasn't eating [or something like that]

According to one of our hospital's lawyers (who will deny every having
talked with me, I'm sure) the state has a specific statute under the
Kentucky Health Care Surrogate Act which allows the withdrawl of
food or water for an individual at the request of a surrogate
decision maker. However, specific HSOPITAL regulations could vary
from the state statute.

I hope this dispells any thoughts that Kentucky has 'archaic' laws!
After all, I'm sure you would all agree that seat belts use shouldn't
be legislated, minors should be able to smoke cigarettes, and 
cockfighting is a great sport...! 
-- 
[]  J. Randall Thompson                                      jrt@kcr.uky.edu []
[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Subject: Re: Doctor's hours
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:20:20 GMT

In article <16205@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.014751.9295@lowton.rn.com- mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell) writes:
>-
>-My girlfriend took up a House Officer position, here in the UK,
>-3 weeks ago. Her hours are completely ludicrous. 
>-   Has anyone any observations on what this sort of stint would
>-actually do to someone.
>
>Yes. It will probably turn her into a doctor.
>

  Very cute and cavalier response. But you are right, there will probably
be no long lasting effects on her other than progress towards her professional
credentials.

Flame On

  The important and serious question is what being examined and treated by
people suffering from potentially extreme fatigue is doing to the patients
and what risk they are subject to by this absurd practice that appears to
have more relation to fraternity initiation than the teaching or practice
of medicine.

Flame Off


-- 
Jeff Sicherman
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