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From: billp@pcsbst.pcs.com (Bill Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: edinburgh in may
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:34:22 GMT
Reply-To: billp@pcsbst.pcs.com (Bill Potter)
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH

In article <1992Apr10.132005.22121@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>,
jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
> davide@sco.COM (David Escoffery) wrote:
> > it looks like my wife and I will be able to spend two days and three nights
> > in edinburgh next month .. other than any interesting suggestions on
what to
> > do (such as a tour of a tartan woolen mill or whiskey distillery,
> 
> My usual shortlist of things to do in Edinburgh:
> 
> - Dunfermline Abbey (by train so you go over the Forth Bridge)

I endorse this and while you're there take a walk around Pittencrief Glen
and visit Andrew Carnegie's (of CMU fame) birthplace and museum.
In the abbey you will find the tomb of Robert Bruce, King of Scots.
Ah, memories of childhood, when we used to play Bruce and the English
in the ruins of Dunfermline Palace as an alternative to cops and robbers 
or cowboys and indians.

In Edinburgh, the Botanic Gardens are well worth a visit. They must
have one of the biggest collection of trees in the world. If it's a
nice day (and they have been known, even in Edinburgh) take a picnic
lunch there.

You will find it hard to resist visiting the castle. Again if it's a 
nice day, you get good views across the Forth over to the highland line 
from the castle. Otherwise it's full of other tourists and various bits 
of military history. 

And about the journey from London, unless you're really strapped for
cash, and with the hotels you've mentioned that doesn't seem likely, 
do yourselves a favour and go by train.
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From: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Domestic Airfare price decreases?
Originator: tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:11:09 GMT

I was just told by a friend that he saw a story on the news last night
that several airlines were reducing their domestic fares by up to 40%.
Unfortunately that was all he could tell me....he doesn't know which
airlines, routes, when it's going to occur,  etc....  Does anyone have 
any more info?

Thanks-
  Tom
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From: tinhang@cat49.cs.wisc.edu (Tinhang Ma)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:14:43 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Apr7.212205.27634@sol.UVic.CA> bgray@uglw.UVic.CA writes:
>In article 28094@daffy.cs.wisc.edu, tinhang@cat49.cs.wisc.edu (Tinhang Ma) writes:
>>In article <167C11199A.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>>In article <rqcqmINN4qg@agate.berkeley.edu>
>>>spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst) writes:
>>>>(deleted)
>>>> What is the longest (timewise/distance)
>>>>nonstop air segment on regularly scheduled airlines?
>>>>(deleted)
>>>>Dan Landis (spanga@athena.berkeley.edu)  no sig**
>>> 
>>>Probably LAX - SYD nonstop on QANTAS or United Airlines. I think
>>>travelling time is 14 hrs LAX - SYD and about 13 hrs SYD - LAX.
>>>      Gerald Cheang (chegerh@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu)
>>
>>Direct flight by Cathay Pacific from Hongkong - London takes 17 hours
>>						Frankfurt    15.5 hours
>>
>>I cannot guarentee that they are the longest, but they are at least longer
>>than the trip mentioned above.
>>
>>--Tinhang
>>
>
>He was asking for nonstop, not direct flights ...  there's a bit of difference.
>
>
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I'm sorry that I made a mistake.

The flight is actually a NON-STOP direct flight from Hongkong to London.

--Tinhang
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Subject: Re: USair
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:35:59 GMT

In article <3623@bacon.MooreNet.COM> jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>David Andersen <davida@ics.uci.edu> writes:
>
>	USAir was formed by the merger of 3 airlines: USAir (formerly
>	Allegheny) in the NorthEast, Piedmont (an airline almost the
>	same size in the SouthEast), and PSA (in the West/Southwest).
>
>USAir was around before they gobbled up Piedmont and PSA.

Yes, USAir was around before the mergers.  However, if you really look
into the history of the airline, you will discover that it is an airline
that has grown more from mergers/acquisition than from its own expansion
at any single time.

Allegheny was actually the merger of two  or three smaller airlines.  Then
later they changed the name to USAir.  Shortly after that they announced
the purchase of Piedmont and then PSA.  Both mergers took place within
18 months of each other.


>
>	Delta had also recently increased its west coast service when
>	it acquired Western.
>
>I thought Western was purchased by TWA?  Delta picked up several of the
>AA and US gate slots.
>
That is incorrect.

Delta bought Western
             Eastern's Shuttle Routes
American bought Air Cal
                Eastern's South American Routes
Texas Air bought Eastern
                 Continental which bought Frontier
                                          People's Express
                 New York Air
TWA bought Ozark
Nortwest Orient bought Republic (and changed the name to Northwest)
United bought Pan Am's Pacific Routes
USAir bought Piedmont
             Pacific Southwest Airlines
             (Controls the Trump Shuttle).
Alaska Airlines bought Jet America


(It seems to me that there was an airline with SUN in its name that
 was centered out of Vegas.  I THINK it was bought by America West.)

This is not a complete list, it's only what I can remember up to this time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the following are also true:
  Air Canada acquired CPAir
  British Airways acquired British Caledonian


David Andersen

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From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: LOST LUGGAGE QUESTION
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:54:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.185429.26672
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr8.001306.2597@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 0ganley_j@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
<
<	Has anyone lost anything of Value on USAir.  Recenlty they have 
<misplaced a CamCorder and a few other Items, none of which have ever been 
<found, nore were the people putting them on warned that the Airline Wasn't
<responsible for Items like the CamCorder.

Check your ticket.  It probably bears such a disclaimer.

<Anyone Have an opinion on this, I 
<say if they Checked it on the Plane, there Responsible.

They once took something fragile away from me on a 'plane (after the luggage
compartments were filled up) *without my permission* and put it in with the
checked baggage, promising to give it to me once the 'plane landed (rather
than putting it on the carousel with the rest of the baggage).  Sure enough,
they broke the promise, threw it on the carousel, and damaged it, then refused
to compensate me for it.

					--Scott

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From: gmcguffi@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Graeme/Guff)
Subject: Chicago to London/Paris to Chicago 
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:35:40 GMT

My wife and I are thinking about going to Europe for a couple of
weeks in July and August.  (OK, OK--we know that there may be a
few other tourists there at the same time!)  What we would like to
spend time in London, do a few weeks tooling around Europe in a
leisurely manner, and then fly out of Paris.

Does anyone have any suggestions on the cheapest way(s) to do
this?

Also, if you have any info on great places to stay/see while in
Europe, please e-mail me direct at guff@uiuc.edu.

Thanks,

Graeme/Guff
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Frequent Fliers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 02:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.232518.15038@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>
>british airways is no longer associated with the ffb programs of any
>us airline.  
>

Wait a minute... I know BA is dumping AA and UA, but I was given to
understand (nice Britishism that...) that they are still keeping
company with USAir.  Are you sure about what you said?

RNA
From: aralston@hermes.ece.wisc.edu (Andy Ralston)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airline food
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.222135.15456
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <rt63aINNees@agate.berkeley.edu>, mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
|-> Airline food, a contradiction in terms?  :-)
|-> 
|-> Any tips?  I've always heard that, for vegetarians, special meals are
|-> better going West -> East because of California's produce and general
|-> health consciousness...

I think you're taking your appetite into your own hands ordering a veggie meal on
an airline.  I tried ordering veggie for a while to get a healthier meal (I have
an aversion to 1 gram of salt at one sitting...).  I got a few reasonable meals,
but gave up after I got a rice cake and peanut butter lunch.  Give me a break! 
In general, it seemed that United, at least, offers one alternative meal, which
is veggie, diebetic and bland rolled into one.  How about a nice, veggie lasagna,
United?  Anyway, I never noticed a difference W->E or E->W.

AR
From: eclst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Edward C Lomax)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: PO' PATHETIC GRADUATE STUDENT WANTS TO KNOW..
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:54:09 GMT
Reply-To: eclst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I also would like to know which airlines usually have the best deals from 
Pittsburgh to...
	
	San Francisco (I'm also conference bound this summer)

Me and my crew leave at the end of June. Any information will be greatly 
appreciated.

send e-mail please.
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From: noah@coos.dartmouth.edu (Noah Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Braniff and the FAA - can I sue?
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:30:35 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart) writes:

>In <1992Apr9.201445.749@gacvx2.gac.edu> phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil ) writes:

>>Please read my post (Re: Braniff experiences - See if you can top this one!),  
>>and tell me:

>>What kind of legal action can I take against Braniff, in relation to  
>>compensation (i.e. gas, time wasted, etc)?  Normal airlines would have had me  
>>on a connecting flight, and I *thought* that an airline has a legal  
>>responsibility to get you to your connecting flight, but maybe not...

>>Please help, as I'd _love_ to screw this company out of as much money as I can.

>I suspect that you would not be able to get any money from the airline,
>nor should you be able to.  Think about it; do you really want to be
>just another suit-crazy putz with a lawyer?  The punishment Braniff
>will receive is that they will not get your business again, nor 
>presumably that of many of the other passengers on that flight.

>If you really need to do something, write a letter to the Chairman
>or President, similar to the posting you made, and send it off.  Tell
>him/her that you will not fly their airline again, and why.


One person who does well with these things is the Ombudsman at Conde Naste
traveler.  His address is:

Ombudsman
Conde Naste Traveler
360 Madison Ave
New York, NY 10017.
FAX: 212-880-2190.

Include a daytime phone number.

-Noah Cole
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From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:31:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: mwvm.167CABE34.M20614
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <1992Apr15.161344.17182@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
carter@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mike Carter) writes:
 
>How dated is the material found in the recent FAQ post?  ....
 
Monday morning I bought round-trip tickets for me and my family from
Washington, D.C. (Dulles) to Panama City, FL on Delta.  Despite being more
than 60 days in advance of the trip, the Amex agent swore up and down that
there were NO children's fares and NO "family" fares.
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
From: phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil )
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: O'HARE
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:43:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr11.114317.794

I'm kind of curious what kinds of experience people have had in O'Hare.  I have  
never had a non-positive experience there, but I've also only flown United and  
Northwest through there.  

However, I many people I know think that O'Hare=hell.  Why is this?

Phil Miesle
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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Boston <--> Seattle
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:01:00 GMT

well, my fiance and I are off on a Northwest Boston <--> Seattle nonstop
Boeing 757 flight in May.

Has anyone else been on this particular flight, or any other Northwest
"longhaul" routes on narrowbody aircraft? Do they show a movie? Do they
have those nifty overhead monitors? The only longhaul flights I've been
on have been on large widebodied 3+ engined aircraft.... Do they serve
more than one meal? 

--Helen

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From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Subject: Re: Tell you something..
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 16:25:23 GMT

In article <13849@star.cs.vu.nl> bert@cs.vu.nl (Menting BL) writes:
>Hmm, anybody does know that travelling by air is very bad for the
>environment (one flight is as bad as a whole year travel by car)
>unless your a bird..

What's your source?  The by-products of jet fuel are much less harmful than
those of internal-combustion engines...most exhaust gasses are H20 with some
CO2 and a trace amounts of other gases (I'd have to check my propulsion data
afor more details).  Also, aircraft engines combust at extremely *lean*
mixtures, except during takeoff and landings.

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From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: More about BUMPS
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:42:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsh.1992Apr9.134239.25174
Organization: AT&T

From article <1946@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, by ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host):
> I was bumped on Continental when it was People's Express.
That's pretty tough to do, since Continental never had anything to do with
People Express.  Though in many ways they were similar.
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From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Subject: Re: BUMPS / USAir
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 01:05:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.203436.10323@acsu.buffalo.edu> AXLEROD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Harvey Axlerod) writes:
>
>    I travel quite a bit with USAir. I am willing to be a volunteer BUMPEE for
>the free voucher.
> 
>    QUESTION: Does anyone have some reasonably solid evidence as to the most
>              likely hub for a bump with USAir ?? (I can often route through
>              several hubs, and would like to know the odds.) The hubs I hit
>              most often are Logan (Boston), LaGuardia (NYC), Philadelphia
>              Cinci, and Pittsburgh.

Charlotte, NC, is a major USAir Hub....one of the two central locations for 
the airline, if I remember correctly.  Isn't the other one in Baltimore?  
Can someone check me on that?

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From: gb7@prism.gatech.EDU (Joe Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Delta Frequent Flier Mileage
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:21:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <29EBC3B1.27963@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.151905.1@max.u.washington.edu> gad@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
>Why fly DL?  AA = 20000 for domestic, 30000 for Hawaii.....
>
>David Andersen
>UC Irvine
>
>--
>David Andersen (Yo! that's an E---not an O!)

Because Delta gives you a minimum of 1000 miles per flight no matter how
short. Most other Airlines including AA give you only 500 or 750. Thus, you
tend to accumulate miles faster on Delta than the other airlines. 

There is an in-depth review of Frequent Flyer programs in the latest
Conde-Nast Traveler. Delta's ranks as one of the best for Domestic awards,
and one of the worst for International awards. AA and United's was about
the same as Delta's.




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From: lublin@husc8.harvard.edu (David Lublin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: short flights
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:15:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr15.141513.11129
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

The shortest flight in the world that I know of is the flight on Loganair
between Westray and Papa Westray in the Orkney Islands (they are located
just off the northern coast of Scotland).  The flight lasts between 2 and
three minutes as the islands are right next to each other.  However, I
don't think that this would be much use for those pursuing frequent flyer
miles.  :)
From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons, longest flight
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:06:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr7.190618.1138
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

In article <rsimdINNb0i@agate.berkeley.edu> mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
>
>Don't try transfering the coupons.  It's a major hassle and it's not
>worth it.  Besides, one of the coupons is good for two people to fly together
>at $189/each.  (across the country).

I've used others' tickets sucessfully, but if you're easily spooked by that
sort of thing, you might develop an ulcer thinking you COULD conceivably get
stranded in Denver, or some other terrible place.

>Current AMEX tickets are for travel on Continental.  Continental is currently
>in bankruptcy, which explains the low regular fares.  The inflight service
>is pretty sparse.

Yep, yer basic continental breakfast is a plastic cup of orange juice & a 
sliver of a donut.  
CAUTION, though, Continental has some strange flight plans.  To get from 
Portland Oregon to San Francisco, my friend had to go through HOUSTON, making
the flight longer than what would be a 10 hour drive!
I went from Los Angeles to Portland, via DENVER.  3 hour layover in the most
boring city in the world in the dead of winter.  Yee haw!  More bad perms than
any one person should have to see in their life!
So, seriously check with continetal before getting Amex to be sure they actually
fly to your city.
>
>The new Amex tickets are only good for a six night stay.  That made it
>extremely difficult to get tickets for the winter break of Xmas-New Year's.

Yeah, this sucks, I've heard Chase's VISA card gives a much better deal with
fewer restrictions on a better airline.  Anyone know?

Terra
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From: abottone@cass.ma02.bull.com (Alessandro Bottonelli)
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:31:44 GMT

jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl) writes:

>Well, if the world weren't spinning the flight time would be just between
>the two times... about 13.5 hours.  When flying from Asia to The States,
>the earth is spinning under you _in_the_opposite_direction_ that you're
>flying, and doing so at phenomenal speeds.  Thus, relative to the earth,
>it appears as if *you* are traveling at phenomenal speeds, and time slows
>for you appropriately (Einstein's Theory of Relativity at work for the
>common person!).  And with the slowed time, it takes longer.... in this
>case about an hour and a half.

>Things work just the opposite for traveling *to* Asia from The States....
>the earth is spinning with you which makes your speed relative to the earth
>slower and therefore time (for you) speeds.... again, by about an hour
>and a half.
>...............
>One final point... this is a joke and total rubbish. (-:
>	*jeff*

Phew!!!!, for a moment you got me :-) :-) , I was asking myself what you
had been smoking lately (I wanted some!!!). For those like my good friend
anna, I remind that the reasoning does not "fly" (how appropriate!) because
the air you are flying in spins with the earth (thaks God!).

Ciao

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