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From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Peanut sources
To: rec.models.scale
Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08: 02:59 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:02:59 GMT
Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 08: 02:42 CDT

   Okay, folks, I brought an issue of Flying Models to work today.  I am
sorry to say, after looking through the latest issues of Model Aviation, that
there is little in recent issues for small rubber model enthusiast.  Flying
Models is the mag to get.

     Micro-X, Box 1063, Lorain Ohio, 44055
     (216) 282-8354     catalog $2.00

     Peck Polymers, Box 710399, Santee, CA. 92072
     (619) 448-1818, catalog $3.00

     Indoor Model Supply, Box 5311, Salem OR 97304
                     catalog $2.00

     Excellent source for books and plans is Bill Hannan's Runway,
     Box 210, Magalia, CA 95954.

Doug Braun, yes, I sure do build the Guillow's kits.  I build more of them
than peanuts.  I usually don't fly them, I build them for shelf scale.  They
are great.
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From: abennett@athena.mit.edu (Andrew A. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Liberty shop model
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:56:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.100746.20047@alf.uib.no>, s325@brems.ii.uib.no (Oyvind 
Brusevold) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone of you wooden model ships builders have any tip, like any 
|> suggested books or something? Maybe some of you have experiences with 
|> 'Billing Boats' ?
|> 
|> I would bee very grateful! Don't hesitate to e-mail me.
|> 
|> PS. It's a wooden model ship. Size: l.o.a: 75cm, height:59cm. DS
|> 
|> -------------
|> Oyvind Brusevold,      email: s325@brems.ii.uib.no
|> Dep. of informathics, University of Bergen, NORWAY

I've got a beautiful wooden model kit of the topsail schooner Scottish Maid that
I've been waiting to work on (I need a cat-proof room for it while under 
construction as my wife's cats like the taste of wood spars).

Since I've never built a wooden ship, I'd appreciate some pointers, too.

-Drew

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From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: F104 kits etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:32:07 GMT
Organization: The Nibelungenlied Incorporated

In article <1992Oct12.111804.11365@waikato.ac.nz> matt@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Thanks to those who responded to my query on F104 kits.  The new castings
>from Hasegawa seem to be the way to go.  To push things further, does anyone
>know anything about the ESCI, Matchbox, and Airfix F104 kits?  Are they really
>THAT bad?

No, but you know us modelers, who do not have a longer unit of lenght in our
rulers than a millimeter...

>And while we're at it, does anyone make a good model of a Supermarine Spitfire
>in 1/72 scale, particularly a Mk VIII or IX?  Most of the kits available
>seem pretty old and look it.

Try that kint made by a Czech (will it be Slovak) company of KP (Kovozavody
Prostelov). It is quite decent; I would not try Airfix or Matchbox if KP
available. My sourcebook gives this list for injection 72nd scale Mk. VIII/IX 
kits:

Frog/Novo VIII/IX
Danbury   IX
Lindberg  IX
Lotnia    IX
Airfix    IX
Matchbox  IX
KP        IX
Lotnia    IX UTI

I would try either KP or Matchbox/Airfix combination: the others I do abhor.
  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++
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From: mauricio@beethoven.Berkeley.EDU (Mauricio Tavares)
Subject: Re: Modelcad
To: rec-models-scale@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Modelcad, where, how 
Cc: stauffer@src.honeywell.com
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:00:00 GMT

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In article <9OCT199214344928@rosie.uh.edu>, st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
|> In article <9210091342.AA22377@spot.src.honeywell.com>, stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer) writes...
|> >   Is anyone using MODELCAD?  I have been using some shareware CAD software
|> >to do model drawings for scratchbuilding.  The adds for MODELCAD sure look
|> >good.  But then I don't always believe all I read in ads, especially for
|> >software.  Anyway, if anyone has tried the package, I'd be interested in
|> >impressions.
|> 
|> Hey, I posted a query on this a while back.  I want to know about MODELCAD
|> too AND the ftp site where you get your CAD stuff.  I've wanted to use one
|> of those tools for quite sometime now.  Thanks.
|> 
|> Oliver
|> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

	I am also interested in this Modelcad.  If anyone knows how to get this program, please let me know!
From: thorn@phoenix.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Looking for Renwall Ontos kit
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:56:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Radiation Oncology, NCMH/UNC, Chapel Hill, NC


Hi,

I am trying to find an unbuilt-in the box-with instructions copy of
the old Renwall Ontos kit. 

Let me explain...I have a friend who has the Aurora Gotha GIV. I want
that kit. He will trade this for another kit I have plus the Ontos.
Help me find the path to Modelling Nirvana. I need the Gotha. Will buy
or trade for the Ontos.

Thanks,
Jesse
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From: jrobinso@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith L Robinson)
Subject: Lighthouses
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:48:44 GMT

I think I would like to try my had at some modeling.  Does anyone know of any 
lighthouse kits?

--
Judy
     Robinson.19@osu.edu
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From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Scale Models (space) and special effects
Organization: Vision Graphics
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:00:00 GMT
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I'm looking for some information about the creation of professional
scaled models (space type), such as those used in film making and
special effects.  

If someone might help out or knows whom I might ask, please let me know.
Thanks in advance...

Forrest
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From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
Subject: Re: Swastikas
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:34:26 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

crusader@lut.fi (Mikko Hy|kki) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.100606.11418@waikato.ac.nz> matt@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>  Nazi occupation.  Interestingly, the swastikas don't seem to bother them,
>  but they say if kits with swastikas were sold in Europe someone would break
                                                    ^^^^^^
Europe. Tsk tsk. I believe the only country that has forbidden swastikas is
Germany (and perhaps also Austria). The result is counter-productive, BTW.
It only means that neonazis tend to adore (?) it more, and inventing lots
of variations of it. You can't perform thought-control by banning symbols.

>Well, kits with swastikas are sold in Finland and I haven't heard of anyone
>trashing kit stores because of it.

Finland and swastikas -- this reminds me: didn't Finland use swastikas
(dark blue, on a white circular background) as national insignia until after
WW II?
I remember, many years ago, when I was puzzled to see an American airplane
(A Curtiss?) with swastikas, in a catalog.

I guess Finland stopped using this because of the nazis?
How did the swastika come into use in Finland as a national symbol?

(I wonder whether Finnish insignia on, say, a Fokker D. XXI are also banned
in Germany.)
--
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lassehp@imv.aau.dk- Info.&Media Science  / IS THE COCOON, WHO IS THE BUTTERFLY,
Aarhus University, DENMARK              / ALL AT ONCE. RIGHT NOW." -Vaughn Bode
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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: What's so big about IPMS?
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:22:44 GMT


   I have only vaguely heard of IPMS. What is it all about? Why join?
What are the costs and the benifits?

DanZ

-- 
    "I think it is a little premature to attribute the failures of American
     foriegn policy to Carl Kadie."
                                                     -Mike Godwin
This article for entertainment purposes only.
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: Re: Swastikas (Was: Re: Me-110 Model)
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:14:10 GMT

Some manufacturers dodge this by splitting the swatzika into two or more pieces
on the decal sheet (Hobbycraft is fond of this). But it is a valid legal issue
in Gernamy, until such time as they lift that restriction.

Randy
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From: phm@uw-isdl.ee.washington.edu (Pierr-Henry Marbot)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Star wars models
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:55:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.175550.15919
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Washington, Seattle

I have posted this article already, but did not see it appear.

I am looking for models of the small star wars attack planes and the one
of darf wader (looks like an inversed Y). The other one would be like this

	|	|
	|	|
	|---0---|
	|	|
	|	|

The models can be for static or really working, it does not matter.
If anyone knows of a company making a kit of one of these, it sure would
help !

Thanks a lot

				Pierre-Henry
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From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: Swastikas
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:43:19 GMT

In article <7685@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.100606.11418@waikato.ac.nz> matt@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> >   I am married to a Dutch woman, and her parents were in Holland during the
> > Nazi occupation.  Interestingly, the swastikas don't seem to bother them,
> > but they say if kits with swastikas were sold in Europe someone would break
> > into the shop and trash the place.
>Probably so.  But the most problematical is that you will find the
>Swastika again all over the place painted by Neo-Nazis.  I think it is
>worse in Germany.  I am not a real model builder, but I know the zeal
>to get the model right.  The problem with German WWII airplanes is that
>so many people have seen them flying in the air and dropping bombs or
>whatever.  I know quite a few people who would even consider reconstructing
>such a plane as bad practice.
Um.  Didn't a lot of planes without swastikas bring terrible
destruction, including civilian casualties, to cities in Germany?  Is
reconstructing them considered a bad practice, too?

My father was a young boy in London throughout the war, and he never
had any problem with my constructing and marking models of either
side.  I thought the idea was to never forget?

Adrian.
arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Removing Chrome from plastic.
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:20:26 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

To remove Chrome plate from plastic kits, without leaving a film, I have found
household bleach is best. Any resedue then washes off in water. Only takes a
few minutes and the "chrome" sinks to the bottom as a sludge.

Colin.

Operator at Oxford University Computing Services.
Model any scale Custom Cars and Show Rods/Bikes 'n' Trikes
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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Peanut Scale?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:43:00 GMT

In article <Bw2Fq0.Ksy@vcd.hp.com>, dbingham@vcd.hp.com (David Bingham) writes...
>Are there any Peanut Scale (or Pistachio for that matter) modelers out
>there?
> 
>David Bingham
>dbingham@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com

I've heard of it, but don't know what it is.  Can you elaborate?  As for
Pistachio, what in the world is that?  Sounds like stuff you put in ice 
cream!

Thanks,
Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu 
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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: looking for a KC-135 Stratotanker
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.031925.832@newshost.unh.edu>, rmk@baal.unh.edu (Robert M. Kenney) writes...
> 
> 
>	I've been looking for a plastic (Revell?) model of this beastie for
>   my father, and haven't met with any success.  It seems that they've been
>   out of production for a while now, so all I can hope for is one that's
>   been stashed somewhere for reasons unknown.
> 
>	Anybody remember seeing one lately?  Still in the box, of course.
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Robert M. Kenney				Nearnet: rmk@baal.unh.edu
>MIS Service Center				Phone:   (603)-862-4711
>Kingsbury Hall, UNH

Boy, are you in luck!  Just got my '93 Squadron Catalog, and 'lo and behold
guess what was on the cover?  Yep, a KC-135A Stratotanker made by AMT in
1/72nd scale.  It sells for $21.50.  I'm not an airplane modeler, but I'm
sure there might be other kits available.  

If you want, I can email Squadron's address, but probably you can find the
kit in some hobby store.  

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
From: bruceb@mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: HELP! SdKfz 11/SdKfz 251 tracks
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:02:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX



	Silly me, I bought a model of a SdKfz 11 and was surprised/delighted
     to note that the model was sent with Model Kasten tracks. However, 
     after looking at the components, I realized that I hadn't the slightest
     idea how these tracks are assembled. Does some kind soul have an old
     set of instructions that could be sent to me? (the SdKfz 251 was
     based on the SdKfz 11 chassis, so the tracks are the same).




							Thanks,
								Bruce


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  bruceb@mpd.tandem.com
  Tandem Computers Inc.
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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Getting started in Peanut
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:46:00 GMT

In article <9210141944.AA16333@spot.src.honeywell.com>, stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer) writes...
>   Several magazines feature ads for small businesses that cater to this
>market.  I would recommend Model Aviation and Flying Models.  I am at work,
>but let me think.  One place is called something like Indoor Model Supplies.
>I just cannot think of the names, though I should. Yes, there are several
>good books.  My local library has one.  Same suppliers usually carry the
>books.  Look for small ads featuring rubber powered stuff (I forgot to
>mention that they are rubber powered).  Sterling made a number of kits for
>Peanut scale, and local hobby stores here still have those kits, plus a few
>other brands of kits.  The Sterling kits were not the best, but the name is
>more widely known among hobby store proprietors, so the Sterling kits may
>be easier to find.
> 

Hey, I use to build those Sterling balsa kits!  I only built two as I recall.
One was the Hawker Hurricane and the other was some semi-scale piper cub
thing (was this Guillows?).  I think they were peanut scale.  Their wingspan 
were no more than 13" (at least I think it was).  

Anyways, both are gone (actually, crushed by some boxes of books).  No matter,
I'll just run down to the store and buy the kits.  As I recall, these boxes
don't actually say "Peanut Scale" or do they?

>   An interesting feature of Peanut scale competition is that since the 
>models are so easy to ship in ready to fly form, there are mail type contests!
>The host club provide proxy flyers who do their best to get the most out of
>your model.  They then send model back to you.
> 
>   Suggest if you haven't flown rubber models for a few years, (or ever) try
>out a non-scale medium size model to get back your building and trimming
>skills.  A little bit of a wing warp in a 13 inch model can make for some
>pretty drastic flight characteristics!  Incidently, Peanut is a recognized
>competition catagory of the AMA.

> 
>PS I will bring a model magazine in tomorrow and list some more of the 
>sources.

Yeah, I'd like more info please.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

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From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Subject: Colours: Heller -> Humbrol
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:46:24 GMT

== COL_HELL.TXT -- Rev.1 -- 1992-09-13
Urban Fredriksson, Flyttblocksv., Stockholm, Sweden.
Please send me suggestions for improvements. No copyright claimed.

7nnn = flat, 9nnn = gloss

                Heller  Humbrol         Heller  Humbrol
Gris amiral     9001    5/125/126       7001    5/125/126
Jaune vif       9002    24/99           7002    24/99
Rouge Vermilion 9003    19/132          7003    60/132
Vert            9004    2/131           7004    80/101
Blanc           9005    22/130          7005    34/130
Bleu            9006    15              7006    25/104
Or              9007    16              7007    16
Alu             9008    11/56           7008    11/56
Bronze          9009    12/54/55        7009    12/54/55
Noir            9010    21/85           7010    33/85
Bordeaux        9011    20              7011    70/73/100
Bois clair      9012    7               7012    63/94
Vert arm`e      9013 30/76/78/80/86/102 7013    30/76/78/80/86/102
Kaki            9014    29/83/84        7014    29/83/84
Orange          9015    18              7015    82
Bois fonc`      9016    10              7016    98
Chaudron        9017    70/73/100       7017    70/73/100
Rose clair      9018    61              7018    61
Bleu azur       9019    47              7019    80
Gris perle      9020    40/127/128/129  7020    40/127/128/129
Vert Nil        9021    38              7021    90
Lilas           9022    3*34+1*68       7023    3*34+1*68
Crme           9023    71              7023    71
Bleu Roi        9024    14              7024    25/104
Terre brl`e    9026    70/73/100/133   7026    70/73/100/133
Jaune tournesol 9027    69              7027    24
Sable fonc`     9028    26/63/93        7028    26/63/93
Bleu anthracite 9029    77/79           7029    77/79
Olive           9030    91/123          7030    91/123
Kaki-combat     9031    72/84           7031    72/84
Terre           9060    29/84           7060    29/84
Vert uniforme   9061    3               7061    30/76/78/80/86/102
Bleu p`trole    9062    96/124          7062    96/124
Vert acier      9063    76/86/102       7063    76/86/102
Bleu clair aviation  9064    65         7064    65
Ocre camouflage 9065    9               7065    65/70/113
Bleu fonc` KLM  9066
Bleu clair KLM  9067
                                        9000    matt varnish
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From: chrisa@fc.hp.com
 (Chris Anderson)
Subject: Re: OUT-OF-PRODUCTION KITS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:21:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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David Auer (dauer@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM) wrote:
: 2)  KIT:  AC130 Hercules Gunship (A or H?)
:     SCALE:  1/48
:     MFG:  Testors
: 
:     This kit was first released around 1986; I purchased its
:     sister kit, C130E/H Transport, for around $27.  Testors also
:     produced the gunship in 1/72 scale.  The 1/72 gunship seemed
:     to have been produced in far greater numbers than the 1/48
:     version.
: 
:     A dealer in California informed me that Testors was getting
:     ready to re-release this kit.  He was unsure of the variant
:     (either A or H).  Has anyone heard similar news?

I am currently  building the 1/48 scale AC130  Spectre  gunship.  I found it in
last year's Squadron catalog as a bagged (not boxed) kit with  instructions and
decals  for  about  $30 (it  may  still  be  available  there).  It is made  by
Testors/Italeri.  The kit is enormous and contains  hundreds of little  pieces.
This has therefore  required me to dry fit it together several times to get the
'big'  picture:  what a monster!  It is a well-fit model and I intend to finish
it within the next 6 weeks.  Hopefully.  I've been working on it on and off for
the last 6 MONTHS.

Chris Anderson (chrisa@hpfcqc.fc.hp.com)
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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Politically Correct Models
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:37:00 GMT


Someone mentioned political correctness in models.  Let me ask you folks a
question.  What do you do with those swastikas and things you find that
may offend people when placed on models?  I mean if you live in Europe and
happen to be building a model of the Bismarck and want to make it as accurate
as possible, do you hedge and not put that huge swastika on the bow?

The more I build models and the more I hear about this political correctness
thing, the more I am hesitant about building and displaying stuff that offends.
Still, if I ever build the Bismarck, I would definitely leave that swastika on.
It was really on the bow.  I even saw it in Ballard's $30+ book!  I'd take 
accuracy over pc's any day.  Of course, if I happened to build an earlier 
version without the swastika (this may not be true.  I am guessing) then
maybe it would be best to avoid controversy and not paint that thing on after
all.  Decisions... decisions.... 

Your thoughts please.  I'm just dying to hear it!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
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From: jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer)
Subject: Re: Info using optical fibre and small scale lighting
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:36:37 GMT

st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:

>Are you in luck!  The September 1992 issue of FSM has an article on lighting.
>Some fella did quite a job on his Batmobile.  He used optical fiber and LED's
>and other goodies.

>If you can't find a copy, I can photocopy it for you.  Email me for more
>info on address.

>Oliver
>st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

I'm sorry... 'FSM'? stands for?
 
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