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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Leia's father (was Re: Wedge's relative owned R2?)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:53:58 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau) writes:

>In article <jthorpe1-210193191617@mac4.mccabe5.swarthmore.edu> jthorpe1@cc.swarthmore.edu (jere7my tho?rpe) writes:
>>Also, who does Leia think her father is?  She mentions him in the hologram
>>in the first movie, but we all know now it's really Darth Vader...  (The
>>gist of the quote was something like "Obi-Wan, you helped my father in the
>>Clone Wars.  Now he needs your help on Alderaan...")  Was she adopted? 
>>(Luke knows his "parents" are reall Aunt and Uncle...)

Leia is a princess, and apparently her father was a member of the Senate
from Alderaan (was he the leader of the planet? -- this seems to be implied)

>But in ROTJ, Leia has only faint recollection of her mom (and Luke has
>no memory of her), and (I think) neither had any memory of their father.
>They only knew whatever their guardians told them.

Yes, this was interesting.  Apparently their mother kept Leia, and somehow
she ended up on Alderaan.  Luke was separated, taken to Tantooine, to live
with the Lars.

keith

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From: pejulaju@wolverine.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Subject: Re: Greetings from George Lucas!
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:35:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.182157.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>:)  HI!
>:)  You've found me out...I'm really George Lucas.  It's really 
>:)  interesting to know that the origional trilogy is still so
>:)  popular.  I'm honored.  Look for the next movie sometime in
>:)  the near future.                 
>:)                               Yours truly, 
>:)                               George Lucas

No, you can't be, because I AM George Lucas! The one and only.
Do not listen to him, HE IS LYING!

Ahem.....so, what was it, you wanted to ask me about Star Wars?


					Sincerely

						G.L.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: NEW MOVIES please read again
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:20:42 GMT

Steve Husty (husty@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu) wrote:
: 	THERE  ARE  NO   NEW  STAR   WARS   MOVIES!!!!!!!!!
: 		are there?@#$%?

Actually, plans now are for a TV series called "Star Destroyer" --
a la deep space 9, it's a low-budget save-on-SFX type thing starring
Amanda Pays as the commander of a space ship -- 90% of the series
will be on board the ship, saving money on sets & stuff. The six
shots of the ship in space are already filmed, a la deep space 9, 
expect to see them a lot. Lucas hopes to make a TV show that
doesn't loose money for once and re-coup some Indiana Jones losses.

Scott

(you think they'd learn after a while....)
From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More questions
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:17:32 GMT
Reply-To: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Organization: Michigan State University
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Originator: lyon@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <1jt2k0INNfmo@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike L
ittau) writes:
>3>  After reading the R.O.T.J. script, I'm glad that Lucas decided *NOT*
>to end the movie on a down note by having Lando & the Millenium falcon
>blow up along with the death star.  Is there "updated" scripts available
>anywhere?  (BTW, apparantly Lucas wasn't sure whether to knock off Lando
>or not, because right after he gets blown up in the death star,
>he goes down to Endor and celebrates like he did in the movie).

I have a question about this. I have been watching the Star Wars saga for many
years, and had considered myself an "expert", although I just got the scripts
from the anonymous ftp site wpi.wpi.edu (plug for you Scott), but once I read
the scripts, there was one scene in which my stomach was literally in my
throat. And that scene was where it mentioned the destruction of the Falcon. Of
course, my question is this(sticking straight to the script, of course):

If the Falcon was destroyed escaping the superstructure of the Death Star, what
are the circumstances that allowed Lando to be at the Ewok celebration? Did the
Falcon(therefore) survive? Or did Lando(alone) escape? Or did the whole crew on
the Falcon escape before it's demise? Or did the Falcon only APPEAR to explode?
Since this was never filmed, any ideas will be only speculation. However, those
will be appreciated as well.


-- 
-Scott Lyon
"May the Force be with us..."
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From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Re: Leia's father (was Re: Wedge's relative owned R2?)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:17:08 GMT

In <1k1d06INNda7@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:

>littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau) writes:

>>In article <jthorpe1-210193191617@mac4.mccabe5.swarthmore.edu> jthorpe1@cc.swarthmore.edu (jere7my tho?rpe) writes:
>>>Also, who does Leia think her father is?  She mentions him in the hologram
>>>in the first movie, but we all know now it's really Darth Vader...  (The
>>>gist of the quote was something like "Obi-Wan, you helped my father in the
>>>Clone Wars.  Now he needs your help on Alderaan...")  Was she adopted? 
>>>(Luke knows his "parents" are reall Aunt and Uncle...)

>Leia is a princess, and apparently her father was a member of the Senate
>from Alderaan (was he the leader of the planet? -- this seems to be implied)

I remember reading somewhere (in the novelisation of ROTJ, I think ...)that he
was Viceroy and first chairman of the system - whatever that means.  The
Viceroy bit is intreguing - is it meant to imply that he was `standing in'
in some way for the real\future ruler of Alderaan, or was it some title
given to him to tie his authority to that of the Emperor?  Or is is just a
snappy sounding title?			
								
And was Leia's adopted mother Minister of Education for Alderaan, or for
the whole Galaxy?  (This was mentioned in passing in the ROTJ novelisation
as well - mind you, it might just be a throwaway line )
-- 
  "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
  "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
  react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Death Star on TESB (was Re: Redundancies)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:55:48 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) writes:

> In article <1B1NXB4w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis 
> Prebble) writes:
> > My girlfriend purchased the Star Wars Trilogy videocassette package for 
> > me for Christmas (alas, not the box set with the LBX tapes, but hey, 
> > can't have everything).  Anyway, I was reading the back of one of the VHS 
> > tape boxes and it spoke of the Rebel Alliance fighting the Empire, which 
> > it referred to as the "Imperial Empire."  This is a bit like calling 
> > somebody a "lonely hermit." =)
> 
> Not entirely on a different subject, but in the box set of the trilogy,
> did you get a handbook with it?  I have the trilogy in LBX and got a
> handbook and the making of Star Wars video.  Anyway, in the book they
> wrote something to the effect of the Rebels needing to destroy the
> Death Star in The Empire Strikes Back.  Do you see something wrong
> with this?
> 
> --
> You know what would make a good story?  Something about a clown 
> who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad.  Also, he has 
> severe diarrhea.
> 
> 					Jack Handy
> 
> judson@watserv.ucr.edu

Hmmm... This certainly would have made for an interesting movie.  "We 
must destroy the Death Star!"  "I agree... but where is it?"  "They 
haven't built it yet, won't be ready until the next movie, but dammit if 
we're going to let the Empire get the jump on us!"


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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Hyperspace
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:55:28 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <1joul6INNeli@oak8.doc.ic.ac.uk> kw@doc.ic.ac.uk (K. Wong) writes:
:In article <1993Jan14.085525.21274@leland.Stanford.EDU> karlmarx@leland.Stanford.EDU (Karl Wilhelm Brown) writes:
:>[Stuff on H-space theory deleted]
:
:	That's what I thought. So that means that the craft could be 
:travelling at a ridiculously slow speed, (55 mph?) and still end up "going
:faster than light" in real space? And does H-space have to be black? Could
:it be purple or something? And just what is likely to be in H-space? Any
:possibilty of creatures, derilict ships, maybe even planets? Now...
:	Obviously, stuff in the 3-D world is 3-D, and stuff in the 2-D
:world is 2-D, etc. That would mean that stuff in the H-space world (dimension)
:would have to be a sort of "H-Space-D" So is that how a H-space drive works?
:By converting your ship, people, space-junk round a field into something more
:than 3-D so that you can flit round in H-space? Just some miscellanous 
:blatherings.

By geometric definition, objects from lower dimetions can exist in
higher dimentions with no change, but more 'freedom'.  IE - a line is
one dimentional, yet it can exist in 2D or 3D.  In 2D, it can point on
several directions, yet still retain all it's own properties (ie -
defined by two points, no width or depth, just length).  By following
from that, Hyperspace could be a dimention that allows more flexability
than 3D space.

Of course, none of this really matters as it's just a movie and in
sci-fi, you can do anything you can think of, just make it entertaining.

:==============================================================================
:" There's nothing dumber in the world than a man with an erection. "
:				- Borric, Prince of the Blood.
:
:Hadoken! -Ken

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth


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From: albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA)
Subject: Quote Poll Format
Originator: albusacc@c00560-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: format
Reply-To: albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:43:58 GMT


When you mail an entry it would be appreciated if it could be in the
following format:

The Quote / Dialogue
Who said it  -  From which movie
catagory 
  ( if you want to make up a catagory that is fine, too.  Just put it in
    the catagory line.)

The quote can be any length and it can be a short dialogue.


The catagories so far are:

Best Leia comeback 
Best Hannerism
Fave quote from each movie
Favorite dialogue

This format will make tabulating the votes easier. 
Thanks.


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::    albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu                  *     Han Solo - ESB           ::
::a.k.(by friends)a. The Jedi Master         I                              ::
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Quotes Poll
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:46:50 GMT

hofle@cs.utexas.edu (Andrew Christopher Hofle) writes:


>Hey everyone!  Just thought of something the other day --
>It would be pretty cool to have some sort of poll on this newsgroup
>where everyone sends in their favorite quote, comeback, putdown or
>smart-ass remark from the Trilogy (only one per user) and then
>compile the list after X days and declare the winners. (Those quotes
>receiving the most votes).  

>ex.  "Laugh it up fuzzball!" -- Han -- TESB

>I was going to offer to be the person responsible for taking in all the 
>votes, but I don't think I'm going to have the time this semester.
>So if anyone out there would be willing to be the organizer (have the
>votes e-mailed to you and then count the frequency of each quote), 
>this should be interesting.

>Just a thought.

>Andy

   I like the idea. I might actually have the time to do it also. This isn't
necessarily admitting I want to do it, but if enough people respond to this
post for me to do it, well then....

Cory Padfield
cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons ??
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:29:21 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


	The first guy was right: All Terrain Armored Transport,
not "Attack Transport".
							-Quinn
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More SW observations
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:30:45 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan25.181656.57177@slate.mines.colorado.edu> ilindsay@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ian Lindsay ) writes:
>When Luke hits the Stormtrooper at the
>chasm fight he yells "aaauuugh".  This is heard again in TESB on
>Hoth when that cannon with the big dish gets DX'ed and also in
>Raiders of the Lost Ark, when Indy pulls the Nazi soldier off the
>truck in the chase scene.

This was a trade mark of Ben Burtt's work. I saw an interview with him
where he said that he was watching this old western that has this great yell
in it so he uses it in all the films that he designs for.
You can also hear it in Jedi when one of the Skiff guards topples off
the skiff. Also in Temple of Doom when Mola Ram is being eaten by the 
aligators and in Last Crusade sometime during the tank/horse chase.
I think that I heard it in Willow as well.

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From: ilindsay@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ian Lindsay )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: More SW observations
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:16:56 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

I'm sure this has been noticed before, however I don't think that
there has been any mention of it.  In ANH there are two scenes, first
when the Jawas run down the hill after artoo.  One of them lets out
an "aaaiiieee" that sounds the same as the noises the ewoks make in
RotJ.  A second similarity:  When Luke hits the Stormtrooper at the
chasm fight he yells "aaauuugh".  This is heard again in TESB on
Hoth when that cannon with the big dish gets DX'ed and also in
Raiders of the Lost Ark, when Indy pulls the Nazi soldier off the
truck in the chase scene.

     Any other similarities out there?

                                   ->Ian Lindsay<-
                                   {ilindsay@flint.mines.colorado.edu}
:
wq!
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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: Imperial Fleet
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:32:04 GMT


	Forgeting single-person fighters and the shuttles, the
only Imperial ships we see are star destroyers and the Executor
(a super star destroyer).  Both Han Solo and the Emperor refer
to it as the "command ship", however, so that might be the
source of your confusion.
						-Quinn
From: haywire@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (the Insane One)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Imperial Fleet
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:51:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


Does anyone have any idea on how large the Entire Imperial Fleet is??
And how many different types of ships there are??

All I know is there are three known types
1. super star destroyer
2. command star destroyer
3. star destroyer
4. cruiser???

I would like to know approximately how many of these ships are there
for a story and battle scenario me and a couple of friends are 
planning out

thanks

The Ever Insane

Haywire
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: inkblot@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Calvin Cannon)
Subject: Re: James Earl Jones
Keywords: race issues
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 17:29:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan16.214822.18073@wheaton.wheaton.edu> nnhill@david.wheaton.edu (Nathan N Hill) writes:
>In article <16B583B4E.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> mason writes:
>>In article <19930115124644ECL2B08@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
>>ECL2B08@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Susan L. Minobe) writes:
>> 

>
  [stuff deleted]
>
>Incidentally, there were quite a few racial issues involved with the
>Star Wars trilogy that most people don't know about...
>
>*Han Solo was, at one point, intended to be black, but it was decided that the
> possibility of interracial romance with Leia would be too touchy an issue and
> the idea was scrapped. Star Wars was meant to take people away from the
> issues familiar to life in 20th century earth, so this decision made sense.
>
>*Although a few black extras wandered about Mos Eisley in ANH, there was some
> complaint to Lucas that his universe seemed to be all-white. To change this
> image, Lucas made sure that Lando was black, and that half of Cloud City's
> inhabitants were black as well. However, Lucas may have intended Lando to
> black for other reasons as well. Lando's role as the administrator of a
> glamorous, well-populated city, and Han's jealousy of his attention to Leia
> probably helped erase such a stereotype as well.
>
>*By "Return of the Jedi" the alliance is notably more diverse. There are black
> pilots and at least one Asian, as well as many aliens. This seems reminiscent
> of the "Star Trek effect".
>
>*Obi-Wan Kenobi and Princess Leia were meant to be Asian at one point, but
> they were probably made white early on to make their characters easier for
> the predominantly white audience to relate to. Also, had they been Asian,
> people would have tried to see a reason for it, while white characters would 
> not arouse such questions.
>

  A while back, I saw a documentary (something like, Mythic Conventions in
Star Wars), where Lucas explained that Obi-Wan is pattered after the Japanese
fencing-master.  The pattern of events leading to Luke's training (Luke goes
out to find his 'master', has to convince Obi-Wan to train him, get's the
'family heir-loom') is consistant with japanese mythology.  Anyway, knowing
this, it makes sense for Kenobi to be Asian.  I know I just proved your point
about speculation, but what the heck. =)

>And that's all the gossip I can think of.
>
>					local Star Wars guru
>______________________________________________________________________________
>"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that
>brings total obliteration... ---From the Litany against Fear
>
>		Nathan Hill (nnhill@david.wheaton.edu)
>______________________________________________________________________________

---
T. Cannon
From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New movie or just books
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:18:32 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: frith.egr.msu.edu
Originator: lyon@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <1993Jan27.034824.20035@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
 writes:
>
>    I wonder how Lucas will present the Ysalimiri?  It seems
>kind of hard to imagine a movie successfully presenting the power
>of a few worms. Of course, I'm sure Zahn will give him some good
>advice.  The 'pirate haven' could cost Lucas a lot to build in Episode
>7, what with all the equipment and spare parts that will have to be
>fabricated for the scene.
>

The word from Lucas is(and has been from the beginning) this:

The last three Star Wars movies(episodes 7, 8, and 9) will most NOT star the
same characters as episides 4-6. According to many reports, the only main
characters throughout the nine-movie saga will be the two droids.

Secondly, yes Lucas *DID* give Zahn permission to write his trilogy(NOT
episodes 7, 8, and 9). And Lucas even agreed(after reading Zahn's trilogy) to
authorize them. All that this means is that Lucas agreed his name could be put
on it, as far as authorization is concerned, nothing more.

Special note: Lucas *ALSO* said that his authorization on Zahn`s novels will
ONLY go up until more Star Wars films are made, and should there be
discrepencies(sp?), of course the films will take precidence(ack! my spelling
sucks today...).

Personally, I take the novels as good novels, but not(in my eyes) canon by any
means. Yes, Zahn has a number of fascinating ideas, but he also has some ideas
that simply do not float(creatures that repel the Force?? C'mon!).



-- 
-Scott Lyon
"May the Force be with us..."
From: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: More questions
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:19:06 GMT
Reply-To: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In the copy of the script I have it says to delete the referance to Lando in the last scene if the Falcon is destroid. Therefore he shouldn't be on endor at all.
			Dark Jedi
From: athas@buphy.bu.edu (Gregory Athas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Harpoons ??
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:51:11 GMT

In article <A47325@HB.maus.de>, Michael_Hilgers@k.maus.de (Michael Hilgers) writes:
|> In an article GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu (Eric ...?) writes:
|> 
|> G>I thought the rear seated man was the gunner.  That is, he operated all
|> G>of the speeder's artillery including the harpoon.  After Dack gets
|> G>fried, does Luke's speeder fire any weapons?  If not, then it's a safe
|> G>bet that the front man is only a pilot while the rear man is in control
|> G>of the weapons.
|> G>
|> G>                                                             --Eric
|> 
|> I just looked it up. After loosing Dack Luke does not fire any shots. He says
|> twice "I'll cover for you", once for Wedge and once for Howie. But he isn't
|> seen in any firing situation. So it doesn't proove anything. It could be or
|> not.
|> 
|> Michael
|> Cologne, Germany
|> Michael_Hilgers@K.maus.de

Of course what's the use of firing at the ATATs anyway.  Maybe cover means being a shield for the other speeder.

Greg