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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Some cute definitions ...
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:12:33 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Aug19.162952.1@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi>
htoyryla@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi writes:

>In article <4122@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon
>Ehrlich) writes:

>> In article <1992Aug19.005616.613623@locus.com> hayim@locus.com
(Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>>>I heard a cute definition the other day, which I thought my net friends
>>>might enjoy.
>>>
>>>Definition of a  "fanatic"   - anyone to the right of you
>>>   "       "  an "apikorus"  - anyone to the left  of you
>>>
>>>For those who don't know, an "apikorus" might be loosely translated as
>>>a heretic.                    ^^^^^^^^

 (Gideon Ehrlich):
>> The origin of the term is: Helenistic philosopher having that name.
>>
>>
 (Hannu Toyryla ):
>The philosopher was called Epicuros. His followers, called Epicureans,
>had a materialistic view of world and held all worldly enjoyments
>in high esteem. I think this accounts for his name being adopted as
>a term for one kind of heretic.

 (Gideon Ehrlich):
The Hebrew terms:
     HEFKER = a property belongs to no one,
     HEFKERUT = behaviour without moral barriers
  derived from the name of that philosophy.

Shalom   Gideon Ehrlich
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From: yosi@netcom.com (Yosi Almog)
Subject: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:51:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Is there any importance for a jew to live in Israel?

Yosi
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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.225942.617346@locus.com> hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>In article <57250@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>If every Jew settled in Israel, even kicking out all the goyim in
>>Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank would not be adequate.  The limits
>>are quite real, and we cannot count on manna.
>>	...
>>
>>Herman Rubin
>
>Why stop at Gaza, and the West Bank ?		 :-)
>
Yes, don't stop. Take all of them.


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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re:  Muslims killed in Yeguslavia
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:23:51 GMT

>I can understand your ignorance of ancient Jewish history, but denying
>knowledge of the more recent history of Jewish involvement in humanitarian
>causes (for example helping Blacks in the 60s civil rights movement -
>although I do admit that helped society as a whole) was the reason I think
>your "even though" or "despite" were simply racist or antisemitic.  I
>didn't give a damn about the semantics of which term you chose.  It was
>the concept I find contemptible.
>

I can understand your ignorance in the way Arabs interpret Arabic to English,
but the "despite" in no way imply racism. I did not say that Jews was not
involved in humanitarian causes for other people in the past. I said that
this is the first time I hear that Jews are trying to help Moslems and 
I posted that to show my appreciation. 

Don't rely on picking English errors to condemn me because I have a 
lot of them.

>I'll spell it out for the analogy-impaired.
>
>The Mufti was an example of a Muslim who was glad to see Jews being
>killed and certainly didn't do anything, even though he was a friend of
>Hitler's, to save Jews.  On the other hand, Jews, without having
>friends in high places, work to help the oppressed, even when Jews aren't
>specifically the targets of that oppression.
>
>Get it?
>

If this is true, this is one in hundreds of millions. I won't let it 
bother me.

By the way, two days ago I was reading an article on SCJ and somebody
said that Shamir, Sharon, and a third person I don't remember who, have
collaborated with the Nazi's. Is this correct? I am not trying to pick
on you here, I just read it.


>Nabil.  You've shown yourself as unable to comprehend this analogy and I
>notice this thread has but two participants.  If you still don't
>understand my complaint about your original post, let's continue this
>privately.  If you have a real answer, you are certainly welcome to post
>but I suspect even that would better serve the net if it were kept to
>private mail.


What do you mean I am unable to comprehend this analogy? You are trying
to condemn all Islam for the action of one person. Do you want to 
tell me that there is not one single Jew not glad to see moslems   
being killed? 

You made this thread for two participants. I did not direct this article to
you. It was a short complement for SCJ readers. You are very welcome
not to respond.
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From: clmn@quads.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Hebrew "School" or Activity?
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:11:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.203157.29610@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

>I'm now wondering if our synagogues are approaching the education issue
>correctly; specifically, they're trying to treat it as a "school" instead
>of as an extra-curricular activity.  After a whole day of public school,
>more structured "school", especially when motivation is absent or when
>there are "fun" activities that the children are missing, is not going
>to be received positively.
>
>Maybe it should be run more like a Boy Scout Troop, with weekday things
>and weekend things.  Would it be so bad, for example, if once a month,
>a class came to Mincha - Maariv (and their parents had to sponsor the
>Seudah Shlishit) as part of their education instead of coming Sunday
>morning, or even Wednesday afternoon?  Even a full day Shabbaton could
>sometimes be more educational than a week's worth of classes, or even
>Junior Congregation instead of a regular class.

I think that Stan is suggesting sound educational philosophy here.  It is
certainly the case that these activities can and should be educational.
Any decent Jewish education should provide the student with positive Jewish
experiences.

>I personally think that as long as the "official" position is that
>it's a "school" and they "expect" the same level of dedication and
>cooperation as do the public schools, we're shooting ourselves in the
>foot.

My impression is that all schools, not just Jewish ones, benefit from
experiential teaching.  The best example I can think of is science educa-
tion.  Isn't experimental method the best way to teach kids?



-- 
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From: CARIAN@auvm.american.edu (RABBI CHARLES ARIAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Bringing up Baby
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:34:32 GMT
 <1992Aug13.204331.4481@cbnews.cb.att.com> <1992Aug14.162208.608454@locus.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug14.162208.608454@locus.com>, hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
says:
>
>In article <1992Aug13.204331.4481@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com
>(Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>>In article <LGOLD.92Aug12160000@callahans.Cadence.COM>
>lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) writes:
>>>The two have agreed that while she doesn't want to convert, they want
>>>to raise the children as Jewish.  He wants to do a "conversion at
>>>birth" since the children won't be born Jewish.
>>>
>>>1. Is this doable?
>>>2. If not, how can they raise the children as Jews?
>>
>>The best advice is to see your local reform or conservative rabbi.
>>
>>
>>Art Kamlet
>
>Are you implying that Orthodox Rabbis are not representing a "valid"
>approach to Judaism? You have always been the one championing equal
>rights, and (coming from you) the omission of Orthodox seems somewhat
>odd.

I don't want to put words in Art's mouth, but I think the implication is
that an Orthodox rabbi would be reluctant to convert a child of a Jew
and a non-Jew while the non-Jewish mother remains Gentile.

I don't know whether this is factually correct or not, but my observation
is that it's hard enough to raise a Jewish child if both parents are
Jewish.
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From: lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger)
Subject: Re: thanks (Re: Jewish friends - help!)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:09:23 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

Sam Saal writes:
>>Cold kelim in general are not a problem, but knives are an exception.
>
>Could you elaborate?  Sources?  Whyzatso?

	If memory serves, the reason is because of "duchtah de'sakintah,"
	i.e., the pressure of the knife. It seems that the way the
	knife is used makes it possible for it to absorb even in the
	absence of heat.
	(source: Yoreh Dayeh ??)

----
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Mashiach -- Be a Part of It!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re:  Muslims killed in Yeguslavia
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:04:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.174402.10922@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.130512.15061@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug11.122211.1273@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>
>>>In article <1992Aug08.150753.18802@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>
>>>>I admire Jews who are speaking up against these camps even though the Bosnians
>>>>are Moslems.
>
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>I'm not sure what you mean by "even though."  The vast majority of Jews
>>>view this as a humanitarian issue, not a political or religious one.
>>>Should we assume that the "even though" was because had we been discussing
>>>Muslim reaction to Jews in camps similar concern would not have been shown
>>>(a la the Jerusalem Mufti and his buddy Hitler)?
>
>>Don't "Mufti" me now by making a relationship between the Mufti and Hitler.
>>I said it because you consider there is a conflict between Jews and Islam
>>and it was a good gesture to care for the Bosnian Moslem. Don't be ridiculous,
>>a lot of Moslem countries faught on the side of the allies in WWII. If I was
>>there, I would be the first one to protest the concentration camps.
>
>Because I've never heard the word "Mufti" used as a verb, I can't be sure
>I know when I'm not mufti-ing you.
>
>In any event, I'm still curious about what you meant by "even though."
>My mention of the Mufti was simply as an example of the ramifications
>of what I think you might have meant.  Your response does not counter
>my concern.
>-- 
>Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
>		Note new machine name
>	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton


I can substitute "despite" for "even though" in the above sentence. What
I have seen in the past is that Jews defend the rights of another Jews.
This time I saw Jews speaking out for Bosnian Moslems, which is good.
Is that any clearer?

I don't see any reason why you should involve the Mufti in this discussion.
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Breaking a Glass in the Marriage Ceremony - Why?
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:30:29 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Aug12.235104.3753@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>Well folks the title says it all... I guess this has been answered
>some time on the net, so I apologize for asking it again.

Because in olden days, the wedding was usually preceeded by the
in-laws fighting about who was going to contribute how much money to
get the couple started in life together, and who they were going to
live with, and this usually led to a lot of glassware being thrown
around.  In order to eliminate this, it was decreed that one glass,
and no more (OK, one plate, too) would be broken at the wedding.

Seriously, it's as a sign of mourning for the destruction of the
Temple.  Very often the band plays "im eshkachaich yerushalim ..." ("If
I Forget You, Jerusalem) while the kick is being set up.
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:44:02 GMT
Summary: I wonder if I can shout louder

In article <1992Aug13.042334.24988@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

> D. C. Sessions writes:

> >  If so, this merits at least a section in every history of philosophy.
> >  For the first and so far only time in human experience, a value
> >  judgment (legitimacy) has been established as a FACT, placing it
> >  ahead of such commonplace certainties as the law of gravity and
> >  the rising of the sun in the morning.  (These being only theories
> >  induced from facts, and thus one degree removed.)

> I guess if one can't refute a remark, the only intelligent thing
> is to post some cutesy stupidity, as D. C. Sessions has done.

I think he raised a VALID point; at least as VALID as any other shouted on
this net.

> Civil war among us resulted in, or hastened, the destruction of
> the Temple; let's just accept the FACT that no one denomination or
> sect among us has a monopoly on the definition or the right way
> to observe our common religion.

I might be able to accept this if it was worded just slightly differently.
Change "_the_ FACT" to "_a_ FACT" (even in upper case) means that there
are those that recognize a different definition of Judaism.  I don't have
a problem with that.  I do have a problem with any assumption that
something can be multipy and inconsistently defined and be refering to the
same thing.

Multiple definitions for words like "cleave," "inflammable," "dust,"
"trim" and others notwithstanding :-).
-- 
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From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: become jewish ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:10:10 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR


is it true that nobody can become jewish and it is obligatory to
have a jewish mother ?

And what do you think of extrem-rights mvts which grows in europe 
?
(Le Pen in france, neo-nazis in germany)
do you think are they only hooligans or is it more dangerous ?
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Discovery
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:31:13 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1A301D0DD5FF009636@TRINCC.BITNET> <NMILLER@vax1.trincoll.edu> writes:
>Now if responsible and serious investigators are themselves uncertain
>about the significance of a line of work...

[flames omitted]

What researcher in any field is certain about the significance of his
line of work.  How many physiscists can be certain on the eventual
significance of discovering a new flavor of quark?  None!  I'm right
now working with an expert systms professor - he can't be certain
about the significance of expert systems work - it might be made
obsolete a day after a major breakthrough.  You can't be certain about
any research endevor.  Why should the Discovery people be different?

This is assuming that you believe any researchers are "responsible and
serious investigators".
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Headaches during major fasts (was: Smoking ...)
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:56:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <86696@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <765198d3122173t83@witsend.uucp>, dcs@witsend (D. C. Sessions) writes:
>>  It could also be blood sugar.  Avoiding sweets for a few days in
>>  advance seems to help; the meal before fasting should be more
>>  oriented towards protein than carbs.  (I could have this wrong;
>>  check competant MEDICAL, not Rabbinical, authorities.)

>You'd be surprised how much rabbis know.  Chicken anatomy, who's a good
>dentist, and all that.  Caffeine withdrawal is the cause of most bad fast
>headaches.  I almost never touch the stuff myself, but I've heard that
>you can withdraw the day before, take painkillers the day before the
>fast when the headache hits, and then go into the fast without too much
>difficulty.  I'll never know for sure.

>Filling up on starches (potatoes, noodles, etc) are a good idea, as they
>take longer to break down.  Meat, spices, and sweets should be limited.
>You should have your big meal as a somewhat late lunch, and a small meal
>an hour or so before the fast.

This could be considered as old doctor's tales.  Anyhow, about 10 years
ago, this was thoroughly debunked, and the articles appeared in refereed
conservative medical and scientific journals.   Finely divided starches,
such as potatoes and bread, can be considered as immediate.  Noodles and
pasta are slower, and table sugar would be in this category.  Beans are
slower still, and proteins and fats slower still.  But all are fully
incorporated in about five hours.  Due to my own medical conditions, it
is important for me to know this.

Caffeine withdrawal headaches are well documented, even if they are not
associated with fasts.


-- 
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Phone: (317)494-6054
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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: Jewish friends -- Kosher Irony
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:13:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.143241.28590@ils.nwu.edu> allender@ils.nwu.edu (Laura Allender) writes:

>goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz) writes:
>> If one is a non-Jew, and has Orthodox friends over from time
>> to time, what can legitimately be offered them to eat or drink,
>> and still leave them at ease?  Obviously coffee and tea are
>> safe, but I'd like (if I can) to be more hospitable than this.
>> 
>> Any advice would be appreciated.

>A silly (?) question in response to a considerate question:

>I had an Orthodox friend in High School who wouldn't eat anything that
>at our parties (not suprising -- the food was not very Kosher) --
>except for one day, when on the way to a picnic, I accidently dropped
>the watermelon, and it cracked in half.  So my friend ate watermelon 
>with us that day, much to everyones pleasant suprise! I don't mind
>his adherence to religion, and I was extremely pleased that I had
>dropped the watermelon, but how can the ground be more kosher as a
>watermelon splitting device than a knife?  And if he was correct in
>eating the melon, can't this method (breaking something on the ground)
>be used in other situations of hunger vs. kashrut? 

It depends HOW Orthodox they are, too.

The reason your friend had no compunctions about eating the watermelon
was that it was not cut with a contaminated, or traife knife.

In areas where Kosher food is extremely hard to come by, Orthodox Jews
tend to be less picky about what they eat it on.

The safest way to play it, though, is to eat on paper plates with
plastic utensils and keep to vegetarian and dairy foods.  Kosher meats
can be hard to find, whereas milk and vegetables are Kosher to begin
with.  DO note, though, that not all cheeses are Kosher.

--Lynn




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Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 15:17:41 EDT
From: RABBI CHARLES ARIAN <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
 <92225.214624CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <1992Aug13.170748.2192@cc.gatech.edu>
 <86107@netnews.upenn.edu>

In article <86107@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P
Wiener) says:
>
>In article <1992Aug13.170748.2192@cc.gatech.edu>, amir@cc (Amihood Amir)      :
>writes
>>The reforms have no problem. cigarrettes are not mentioned in the Torah.
>
>Oh yeah?  Ever hear of Camels?
>--
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

This reminds me of the proof from Eicha (Lamentations) that the Jews had
cars during the period of the First Temple, because Jeremiah mentions
the young men and women of Jerusalem that "halchu b'Chevy."
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