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From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: SG & VR
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:54:23 GMT
Organization: UB

aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.) writes:

>tww2568@venus.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM) writes:
>: I find your Cyberpunk socially curious, but technically empty.
>: 
>: You like (generilization, not you Zeke) to throw buzz words/phrases around  
>: like rice at a wedding.
>: 
>: I am an Electrical Engineer (have a degree) and have read your fav mag Mondo
>: 2000 and am curious as to why you are how you are.
>: 

>I'll keep it short, Thomas.  I'm sure flames will abound here from your
>query but mine is not a negative comment, per se.  I think the point you're
>missing is that cyber-whatever goes beyond the tech.  The tech is a big part
>of it but not all of it.  Maybe being an engineer makes it difficult to see
>this.  I'm not the best one to go into this all and this newsgroup isn't the
>one to read.  You might try alt.cyberpunk for a more geberal approach to the
>'movement.'  Peace...

I myself was an engineering student, and now I am a computer science
student.  I have four years of professional experience with a CAD/CAM
company where I worked with 3-d design, 3-d visualization, voice
recognition, animation, and 3-d output, both real and virtual.  I've
followed the cp newsgroups, read _Mondo 2000_, the original _Anarchist's
Cookbook_ and _Neuromancer_, watched _Brazil_, _Bladerunner_, _Tron_, _The
Lawnmower Man_, _Terminator 2_ and _Max Headroom_, moshed to Ministry and
Digital Front, dated a female I met online, played various 'Net-games' and
have befriended a hacker who later was arrested by the FBI for illegal
access to information.

Yes, real hackers exist of both the legal and illegal genres, but cp is a
movement in science-fiction and entertainment.  It is NOT a real movement
in the sense of a coherent social, political or technological force for
change.  The Beatnik and Hippie "movements" of the 60's and early 70's may
have qualified as such, but definitely not cp.  Anybody who thinks
otherwise, is probably playing too many role-playing games.

Before you flame me, I'll let you know I'm a great fan of cp, sci-fi, and
rpg's.  I just have a grip on reality.

-- 
David Thomas Dudek /  v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet     \     __   _ The Cybard
 State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu   \   /  `-' )      ,,, 
   of New York   / "If music be the food of love, \  | | ()|||||||[:::}
    @ Buffalo   /   play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare    \ `__.-._)      ''' 
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From: daniel@athena.cs.uga.edu (Daniel Ashley Good)
Subject: Re: 3d and Obsolete
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:24:22 GMT

In article <Marcus_Brodeur.03bc@dream.uucp> Marcus_Brodeur@dream.uucp (Marcus Brodeur) writes:
>worked, but it seems to me that the 3D rendering software would prompt the
>3D goggles through the electronic interface.  When the current was flowing
>in one direction, all the crystals would face in the same direction, like
>an open shutter, and you could see right through the lens.  When the
>current in the wire reversed, they would all swing in unison in the
>electric field shut, blocking visibility.  Basically, the 3D software would
>close the right lens and open the left one, and for that brief interval of
>time display the view for the left eye.  Then, a fraction of a second
>later, it would slam shut the left lens, open the right one, turn the 3D
>perspective 3 degrees to simulate the angular difference between the human
>eyes, re-render and display the image.  It would keep alternating between
>showing the left eye view and right eye view at something like 70 Hz
>(whatever the raster of your monitor was).

	I wore a pair of these goggles today for use with a molecular
modeling program called SYBYL.  The goggles are commercially
available, and need not depend on a specific monitor type.  They have
an internal battery and an infra-red sensor on the face which receives
signals from a sync device (typically placed on top of the monitor).
They are comfortable and light-weight, and work even in a well lit
room (although looking away from the monitor can be mildly
disconcerting, as there is a barely noticeable strobe effect).

	The SYBYL program was running on a Silicon Graphics Iris, and
the results are truly stunning.  The program has a special mode for
use with the goggles, and the molecules may be spun and rotated in
any number of ways - and in all instances, the molecules look very
three dimensional.



-- 
Daniel Ashley Good			daniel@athena.cs.uga.edu
Atheists fail to see how all this could have come from a god, while
theists fail to see how all this could have come from chance.  - me
From: verge@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Wanted--
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:05:45 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Wanted:

Mad geneticist with experience in recombinant DNA research, to form part 
of a team investigating new virus particles with a view to world 
domination. Salary will be on a profit-sharing basis; it is expected to 
be low at first, but rising within a year or two (depending on 
satisfactory results) to around $10 million, with annual increments 
thereafter as nation after nation capitulates to our demands--


Can't take credit: David Langford, _War in 2080_, Sphere Books, UK.


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From: tww2568@venus.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: HMD CRT's
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:07 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

DANGER!!! 

CRT's SHOULD NOT be used at close range as you are doing! The X-RAY levels a few
few centimeters from the screen are not a safe enough level for extensive exposure
ure with SOME CRT's!!!

Todays CRT's are safer than yesterdays as they let off much less X-RAY radiation
but still the first few centimeters distance has coniderably more energy in the 
the XRAY band than does 12 inches... ( inverse sqare of Distance relationship).

You need to check into the specks of the CRT's you are using but until then I
would restrict use of the HMD unless you favor the idea of eye cancer...
 Thomas Weeks
From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Movement
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:31:36 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <COLIN.92Nov23111451@key-west.Cayman.COM>, colin@Cayman.COM (Colin "Atilla" Steele) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.120546.4112@memstvx1.memst.edu> langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston) writes:
> 
>>eat Cheerios for breakfast.  "I wanna be stereotyped! I wanna be classified!"
>>                                              - Circle Jerks
> 						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Descendants (AKA All), not the Circle Jerks. :-)
> --
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Colin Steele     | Cayman Systems, 26 Landsdowne St., Cambridge, MA 02139
>  colin@cayman.com | (617) 494-1916 x209 | applelink D0523 | Fax (617) 494-9270

   Okay, you caught me.  Seems I destroyed a few brain cells as well back
then... of course, I could have quoted "Thou shalt not commit laundry...",
but I didn't want to exclude (include?) anyone...

...the damage was done, irregardless of who sang those lyrics... :-)

okay... now I _really_ feel old... I can't even remember my bands anymore.
Of course, ever notice you remember the ones you _hate_ more than the ones
you like?  (not that I hated the circle jerks, just that I've had too much
caffeine today, and I'm rambling.)

cheerios,


-- 
+--------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here---------+
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  Psychology Dept.   |  "Always listen to experts.  They'll tell you what can't
  Memphis State U.   |     be done, and why.  Then do it."                      
      "Pftph!"       |           -From the notebooks of Lazarus Long         
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: tww2568@sigma.tamu.edu (WEEKS, THOMAS WILLIAM)
Subject: CyberFad
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:35:00 GMT

MacBeth:

I agree in so much that the MAJORITY (as to not accused of over generalization)
of the CyberPunks are into the fashion and appeal of technology, and yet could
not distinguish an RS232 Driver from a UART...   

Thats not what bothers be so much as the apparent over sized ego that seems
to permiate from their conversations due to the wealth of buzz words that they
have accumilated via M2000 and various other Techno Flap type publications.

Don't get e wrong... I kind of enjoy flipping through M2000 when I can get 
my hands on a copy... I find it kind of a relief from living in my Engineering
Text Book world of 'Hard Core Hardware'. 

It was explained to be via an E-Mail post from this group, that the CP movement
is more of a fashion/entertainment fad than anything else, however, I am sure 
that there are thos out there that take it much more seriously than that and to
them, more power to ya... Just one word reccomendation however:
"The wisdom of an individual is sometimes seen by the ratio of 
listening/talking."  

As I think I said previously... There is always someonoe out there that knows
more than you, and blabbing a lot is good way to find them...

Thomas Weeks
From: Marcus_Brodeur@dream.uucp (Marcus Brodeur)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Widespread Amiga-VR Implementation.
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:38:08 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Wed  4 Nov 92  5:35, Ray_hines@dream.uucp (ray Hines)
wrote:

 RH> And there's the new Amiga 4000 which is supposed to be fantastic. 
 RH> Amiga 3000s are already being used in many Virtual Reality situations.

Indeed.  For instance, the now 60 Minutes (or was it 20/20) popularized
"Pteradactyl" VR game that has already appeared in certain select locations
in California and overseas (notably Japan) has at its core a couple of
interlinked Amiga 3000's crunching the real-time virtual reality graphics.

Definitely something to take account of, considering the Amiga's
well-earned reputation as a fantastic graphics/sound machine.  The newer
model 4000's features are a jump up from even the 3000's powerful
abilities.

!!!!! T  E   M    P     U      S      F     U    G   I  T !!!!!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Movement
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:04:06 GMT
Organization: UB

brenckle@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (BRENCKLE,NICHOLAS) writes:

>Music? What does that have to do with cyberpunk? Especially the tech end?
>(This group, no?) 

Considering so much bandwidth on the cp groups is dedicated to musical
preferences...


>As for 'buzzwords', they exist in almost every 'culture', for lack of a 
>better word. No matter what job you take, or hobby you pick up, you
>will learn hundreds of 'buzzwords' and new jargon galore. Why? I'm not
>really sure but this is hardly new or central to the cyberpunk movement.

I agree on your point regarding jargon.  However, my point was that there
is no coherent cp "movement" except in entertainment (literature, games,
movies, music, etc.).  There is no common generalization that can be made
about the socio-economic, political, moral, ethical or religeous aspects of
cyberpunk, because there is none!


>Can't really remember anything else in the argument left to refute. Basically
>what I'm saying is that those interested in cyberpunk and the "movement"
>are just the same as everyone else. The full spectrum of people are here.

Then what makes them cyberpunks, and others not?  8^) 


>I don't listen to Ministry, don;t play RPG and don't even know anyone arrested
>by the FBI! What kind of cyber person am I?

Hmmmmmmm......a POSER?!?!?!?

-- 
David Thomas Dudek /  v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet     \     __   _ The Cybard
 State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu   \   /  `-' )      ,,, 
   of New York   / "If music be the food of love, \  | | ()|||||||[:::}
    @ Buffalo   /   play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare    \ `__.-._)      ''' 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: jordag@cary104.its.rpi.edu (Lord of the Vampyres)
Subject: Re: Wanted--
Reply-To: jordag@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:09:57 GMT

ask the they main character from White Plague by Frank Hubert he's already done it...John Doheny i think was the name
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: cyberfad
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:12:41 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Maybe Cyberpunk and all it's ideas is becoming a fad, but who cares.
Do you think the first couch-potatos were really upset when everyone else
started watching tv?
It's just come full-circle.  I don't think the cyber/hack/phreak/geeks really
care what the rest of the world is doing.  With the technological-revolution
going on, everyone will be able to access this stuff.  And if it stayed
"underground" to a select few, the cyber world so many people dream about
having wouldn't exist.  The whole idea is for everyone to be able to get
into it. 
  One question though, if everyone gets into networking and such, will
cyberspace be dissolved?-- 

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From: ckalin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Christopher Allen Kalin)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: 3d and Obsolete
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:33:17 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <Marcus_Brodeur.03bc@dream.uucp> Marcus Brodeur writes:
>A few years back, LC Technologies came out with something called StereoTek
>for the old Atari ST.  I had a pair of these suckers, and they were very
>interesting.

>Basically, instead of the red-blue nonsense, the lenses of these goggles
>were composed of a liquid crystal lattice.  There were wires connected to
>each of these lenses separately.  I don't remember exactly how these things
>worked, but it seems to me that the 3D rendering software would prompt the
>3D goggles through the electronic interface.  When the current was flowing

[description of shutter glasses deleted to save bandwidth: see article 1445
for text]

Sega still sells glasses that work exactly like this, originally designed
for their failed Master System (remember, the one that came out a month
BEFORE the NES?).  You can still get them, if you look hard enough, for
about $35.  I've got a pair, and after finals, I will be hardwiring them
into my PC to do 3-D rendering.

Did I mention that I also have the Nintendo PowerGlove (another failed
product that is PERFECT for low-cost VR on a PC?)

Check the newsgroup SCI.VIRTUAL-WORLDS for a better discussion of all of
this...
 
Later....

Chris Kalin

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From: aburtc@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: SG & VR
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:26:42 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska


    Well, might hink that stereotypes were being thrown around.  Like any
"movement", this one has it's fanatics and generalizations and finally myths. 
And like most movements some people are really interested and knowledgable in
the subject, and others just need someone to hang with.  Your description
wasn't altogether wrong, but I think that you pegged the second group and a
barely stomachable cyberpunk magazine.  Really knowledgable people who are
actually following the cyberpunk movement I think you would find a little less
easy to peg except in their conversation......Cyberpunk is almost two
movements....Some think of it "literally" as a techno revival of the punk
movement, and that comes about from the dark future, rebel character books
writing by people like William Gibson, but the movement reaqlly has mnore to do
with VR technology and minituarization technology.......I don't believe that
anyone actually wants the dark future that alot of cyberpuck novels
depict.....As a matter of fact, the point of cyberpunk is to avoid that type of
future and learn to use technology responsibly before it runs rampant and out
of control.......

                                            Neuromancer
From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: SG & VR
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:12:55 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard=) writes:

  [ Yeah, I deleted a lot of stuff, what's your point? ]
> Yes, real hackers exist of both the legal and illegal genres, but cp is a
> movement in science-fiction and entertainment.  It is NOT a real movement
> in the sense of a coherent social, political or technological force for
> change.  The Beatnik and Hippie "movements" of the 60's and early 70's may
> have qualified as such, but definitely not cp.  Anybody who thinks
> otherwise, is probably playing too many role-playing games.
> 
  [ Deleted something else. ]
> 
> -- 
> David Thomas Dudek /  v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet     \     __   _ The Cybard
>  State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu   \   /  `-' )      ,,, 
>    of New York   / "If music be the food of love, \  | | ()|||||||[:::}
>     @ Buffalo   /   play on!" - Wm. Shakespeare    \ `__.-._)      ''' 

     Cyberpunk is a movement because people will pay attention to us.  I 
have been playing the `let's bs the ourselves and the world with mass 
psychology' game for awhile and figure that Cyberpunk, as a 
`movement'/fashion-trend will mainstream within 3 years.  I consider 
myself a cyberpunk because I hang onto the system so I can learn how 
these things work.  Cyberpunk _is_ a movement, it may not be a very 
legitimate movement, but it exists. ( Yes, I do own several Cpunk rpg's, 
but I haven't played them in a long time...)  Cpunk has merit in that it 
allows a carefull observer to see how a group of ideas is changed as it 
becomes more and more a part of `normal' society.  It's also fun to see 
how dumb people look with chips on their clothing (myself included, I do 
admit to that sin...).
   Cpunk may not change the world, but it is definitely worth watching.
 /// & ///

--
merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Rivendell BBS -*- Houston, TX -*- +1(713)941-2236
From: Marcus_Brodeur@dream.uucp (Marcus Brodeur)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: TV glasses and VR
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:04:10 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Sun 15 Nov 92  6:24, Dleclair@netlink.cts.com (douglas L
wrote:

 DL>         Actually ultra-thin glasses that are LCD-color based have
 DL> been 
 DL> out for sometime now. I read it in the Trends section of Omni about 2
 DL> 
 DL> years ago, so this is not really new technology. Although I am sure 
 DL> improvements have been made since the first prototype a few years
 DL> back. 
 DL> This invention _MAY_ change VR, but what about cost? Cost is going to
 DL> be  
 DL> relatively high until mass production is intiated, and even then it
 DL> will 
 DL> most probably become obsolete, like everything else :)

The pair of true 3D stereoscopic liquid crystal display glasses I mentioned
for the Atari ST, with adaptor and software, cost $250 4 years ago.  Of
course, I don't know what the more advanced models of today might cost, but
that gives you something to start on.

!!!!! T  E   M    P     U      S      F     U    G   I  T !!!!!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: tlilley@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Tripp Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: CyberFad
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:41:55 GMT
Organization: St. Disma's Infirmary

Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitter.  It's what makes RS-232 work.
itza chip on de board what makes the little bits go 'zingie-zingie' across
the aether (that's the luminiferous aether, for those of you not historo-tech
inclined :>)

as for an RS232 'driver', I can only assume you mean a software interface to
the serial port.... unless you're talking *line* driver, which would be one
o' dem chips what actually *pushes* the little bits 'zingie-zingie' across
the afforementioned aether.

i write poetry, too.  (ooh.  swoon.  i'm sooo impressed.  can i touch me? 
                       i don't think so.  i'm not my type.)

- t.

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From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: cyberfad
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:15:46 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
: Maybe Cyberpunk and all it's ideas is becoming a fad, but who cares.
: Do you think the first couch-potatos were really upset when everyone else
: started watching tv?
: It's just come full-circle.  I don't think the cyber/hack/phreak/geeks really
: care what the rest of the world is doing.  With the technological-revolution
: going on, everyone will be able to access this stuff.  And if it stayed
: "underground" to a select few, the cyber world so many people dream about
: having wouldn't exist.  The whole idea is for everyone to be able to get
: into it. 
:   One question though, if everyone gets into networking and such, will
: cyberspace be dissolved?-- 
: 

Hmmm ... your last statement leaves me wondering what you're driving at.  Do
you mean to say that only because seemingly everyone in the world, or at
least those with the right kind of cable coming into their homes, can get
access to the net, that somehow the net just won't be the same?  I would say
yes, it won't be the same, it will bet better.  I can't *WAIT* for this to
happen.  This would mean that not only can I get hold of my current set of
net.friends, but that everyone I know, or almost everyone, would be found
somewhere on the net, AND if the whole VR thingy files we'll be able to hang
out virtualy and go to work virutally, and meet people from all over the
world virtually (with the thought in mind of someday meeting in person).  
Note that I never mentioned having sex with the aforementioned people.  I
mean, why bother?  I'd much rather of real sex with people I care for.  But
that's just me.   8-)


______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
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aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
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