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From: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled)
Subject: Re: STZIP-2 Problems
Reply-To: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:38:47 +0000


In article <1big3lINN2d2@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>> Also, does anyone know how the original got corrupted?  I recall that
>>two people had posted the zip file...perhaps the second person's file was
>>messed up when they uploaded it, and when the archive person went to delete
>>one of the files, they deleted the wrong file?  Pure supposition, but the 
>>other alternative is that A.A. is corrupting files <SHUDDER!>.
>>
>>>--
>>>Hendrik Jan Veenstra  |  hjv@phil.ruu.nl  |   You look for your dreams in
>>>Dept. of Philosophy   |                   |   heaven, but what the hell are
>>>University of Utrecht |                   |   you supposed to do when they
>>>The Netherlands       |                   |   come true...?
>>
>>-Mike
>
>
>I uploaded the STZIP2.TOS version to A.A and it was working, this came from 
>tu-berlin.de from memory..
>
>NOTE: it is a self extracting archive, you must copy it to a blank disk
>and then run it on drive A:\
>
>Unless I forgot to select Binary when I uploaded it to A.A. it should work..
>
>But many of us here in New Zealand have found that it produces corrupted
>archives, gives CRC errors, this was with 50-70k pack ice (ICE2.4) files....
>
>
>Roger................                   sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

    Not exactly related, but has anyone had any problems with very large ZIP
files? i think there may be a limit on either the number of files in an archive
, or the size. When i try to compress my message base (probably 1500+ files
in 10+Mb) i _always_ get a corrupt ZIP. i don't have this problem with more
'normal' sized archives.

    Adam.
From: u0h36@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Adam Turnbull)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:20:57 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <memo.675924@cix.compulink.co.uk>, by kjackson@cix.compulink.co.uk (Keith Jackson):
> 
> In article <4353@wet.UUCP>, ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
>>
>>So, anyone in the UK want to tell us if the Falcons are shipping?  Glen,
>>you and I still can't buy one -- unless you want to order it from overseas.
> 
> There haven't been any advertisements or announcements as of 10th October.
> 
> Keith

Yes there has - Gasteiner are selling them (see STF / STU or whatever)

Adam
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: kslate@MtHolyoke.edu (Kevin D. Slate)
Subject: Re: Wanted 20 Meg Hard Drive
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:55:04 GMT

> I,m looking for a cheap (about 150$ ) hard drive.
> If you have an old 20 Meg you want to sell for 150$
> or less please contact me.
> 
	If you're looking for a 20 meg hard drive you can get one new
for arround $70.00. Look in Computer Shopper.
	By this I mean a bare drive but you can build one real cheap.
Try some of the IBM shows for a case or a used one...I paid $25.00 for
mine....The host adapter is another $75.00....and misc cables are about
$10.00.
	You're now at aprox $170.00 and have room to expand if you buy the
right case....You're not stuck so when you do get a little extra cash you
can upgrade for the price of a bare drive.
	Putting it all together is fairly simple also....It might be a
alternative.


Kevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON ? READ THIS !!!
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:15:36 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

hmm. i don't see why Atari should be criticized for building a computer
that has many of the same features found in other computers. actually,
this is a bonus.

i -like- the idea that i can use SCSI II devices. i -like- having
a fairly standard DSP. i -like- having standard Localtalk. (not
as good as ethernet, but hey...) you mention ripping off NeXT by
using a black case. is the Falcon black? all the reports i've
seen have said grey, but if it's black i'll buy one right away!
(i even painted my Amiga 500 black.)

as far as video modes, interlace is good for doing video (which
is interlaced), but notice that you can do all those modes non-
interlaced if you have a better monitor. i like the fact that Atari
is making it easier for those of us who can't afford expensive
displays. this way i can use my trusty 1084S, which also does
double duty as a VCR monitor.

i had asked earlier about the color depth on the Falcon & got
the response that it was a 15/16 bit display out of a 16 bit
pal. you say 18 bits. sorry, but you're making me -like-
the Falcon even more. :^)

is the fact that the new sound can only be accessed through
the DSP supposed to be bad? the point is that it -has- a DSP
standard, so all new programs will probably end up using it.
the old chip is there for compatibility, as well as boring
stuff like system bells. (tho the DSP will make those more
interesting as well.)

this isn't a flame. i just find it amusing that you post an
article that supposedly bashes the Falcon & ends up making
me want one more than ever!

jason "God, i hope it really is black" steiner

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From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: flopticals
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:01:57 GMT

mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) writes:
>
>	does anyone KNOW (atari boys maybe ?)
>	wether AHDI 5.0 (or some other AHDI)
>	supports 21Mb Floptical SCSI drives
>	like INSITE I-325vm ?
>
>	If it does, where to get them ?
>	Toad computers ? anyone got a fax-number ?
>	or could call them and ask wether they have ?
>
>	No, I can't call 1-800 toll free numbers from
>	Finland... not yet ;-)
>
>Thanks' a bunch !
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>email: markku.luoto@helsinki.fi    # "I just LOVE G-pull...     
>     (will find me where ever...)  #      ...and a AIM9L at your six !"
>fax: 358-0-4524015                 #    
>voice: 358-0-5091656 (a.maschine ) #    - a surviving "Pro-Flite" freak

I couldn't tell you if it does support it. I can get you a few if you are
interested. The prices are:

Insight 3.5 Floptical w/SCSI controller and 1 21 Meg disk - $520 Canadian
   "     "      "       "        "       "  5 "   "  disks - $620 Canadian
Each disk is $28 Canadian.

Best Regards,
Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
From: osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Summary of "which programming language"
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:40:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4eqv=WO00awREL9VsP
	<1b6adeINNcul@golem.wcc.govt.nz>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 10-Oct-92 Re: Summary of "which
progr.. sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.go (1041)
> I do think you are making a very big mistake in going into Hisoft Basic 2 it
> is not a world standard like GFA and there will be very little support for it,
> as for one thing Hisoft don't support there users, and I should know,
>  I wrote to them about Bugs and Admissions in Hisoft Knife ST, there reply was
> get lost we don't wish to know..

> Also there was/is more world wide support for GFA than the Hisoft products,
> also the speed of GFA has to be seen to be believed, its faster than compiled
> C...??


> Roger.........            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz



As far as I've seen, GfA basic is faster than C only when dealing with
floating point numbers (quite usual in Basic, much less in C).
The difference seems to be due to the fact that GfA uses a special
floating point representation, very well adapted to the 68000, instead
of the standard IEEE one. 

As soon as you don't use floats, the C is faster (even much faster sometimes)

But it's true: GfA basic is just amazingly fast !

	Stefan

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From: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Subject: Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates (was: Re: ATARI COMPUTER WISH LIST 
Originator: comeau@well.sf.ca.us
Reply-To: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Organization: Comeau Computing
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:31:39 GMT

In article <stigj.17.719147835@dhhalden.no> stigj@dhhalden.no (STIG JORGENSEN) writes:
>In article <Bw4Is7.IyB@well.sf.ca.us> comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau) writes:
>>Further, Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates is
>>currently in beta and will be availabel shortly.
>
>How much will it cost and what kind of libraries does it come with?

Cost of Comeau C++ 3.0 With Template for the ST will be $US250.
It will initially come with the iostream library.


- Greg
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From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (HARRIS JOSHUA WULFSON)
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:56:08 GMT

Gordon Farrell (gordonf@monashee.sfu.ca) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct5.223559.13790@u.washington.edu> antony@milton.u.washington.edu (Anthony Hand) writes:
: 
: Well, aside from the cost issue that has been pointed out before (which may
: of may not be a lame excuse), I can think of one possible reason for the
: all-in-one design of the Falcon: musicians.  Not being one, I can only guess,
: but it seems to me that it would be much easier to carry around and set up
: a one-piece machine for playing shows.  Whenever I see a computer on stage,
: it's usually a laptop, so I guess the fewer the number of pieces, the better.
: 
: Any musicians out there who can confire or deny my suppositions?
: 
: >Antony


     That's very interesting. I hadn't though of that! I have a feeling that
Atari also hadn't thought of that. Most musicians who use computers for music
(like me) use it only for recording and MIDI, and they don't take it to
gigs. I imagine that someone wanted to bring a computer on-stage, it would
be convenient to have an all-in-one construction, especially if is is being
used for signal processing or direct to disk live recording. How about 
a FalconBook?! THAT would be useful!



     -Harris Wulfson
      HJWULFSON@Amherst.edu     INTERNET






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From: stigj@dhhalden.no (STIG JORGENSEN)
Subject: Address to ASH
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:51:44 GMT

There was someone out there that wanted the address to ASH (the maker of 
Pure C):

Application System Heidelberg Software GmbH
Postbox 102646
6900 Heidelberg
Germany

Stig
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Organization: Unit 36 Research
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:07:09 GMT

In article <FFLFsB4w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>Then Brodie needs to get a grip.  Musicians who work with MIDI use the
>computer for sequencing because of the graphical interface, ease of editing,
>etc -- none of which we need live.  Once your sequence has been created and
>edited to your satisfaction on a computer, you can dump it to a cheap
>hardware sequencer that will suit your needs fine.

	Well, maybe not you but I certainly do.  I cart my 520/sm124 and 
hard disk to my gigs and all my gear and sequence live... its the only
way to live.   I need the features of Notator in my live shows; a hardware
sequencer just wouldn't cut it.
	
>
>In this day and age, when you can buy an Alesis Data Disk for $400 that is
>road-worthy and fits in one rack space, there's a scant handful of people
>who would rather haul a fragile $1300 computer and monitor to live venues.
>A notebook computer, perhaps, but not a full-size machine.

	I plan on packaging my system (computer and disks) into a rack case.
This is reduce the number of boxes and wiring and also make for a more
secure system.

Brett Maraldo
Plexus Productions
'Where analogue meets digital... and wins!'


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From: dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MacSEE/MacRead info wanted
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:22:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvtF2B.EGB
Organization: Indiana University


	I'd like any info about MacSEE or MacRead that any of you might
know.  Are they the same program, or do they just do the same thing?  My
father has an ST and a Macintosh SE, so whatever ST program can
read/write mac disks from the ST desktop is what he needs.

thanks, 

david

dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: Bill_von_Hagen@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Using Sony Trinitron with ST
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:44:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.4ep2p4uSMUE2A3WYYW
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have an old ST with which I'd like to use the color Sony Trinitron 
monitor from my MIPS machine (don't ask).  Could someone tell me what
hardware I need to be able to do this?  Pointers to places to purchase
whatever I need would be much appreciated.

  Thanks!

    Bill (wvh@transarc.com)
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Sending file from CIS -> InterNet
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:28:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BvvExG.CvB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Oct10.161509.21818@csi.uottawa.ca>

Sending mail from CompuServe to Internet is indeed possible..
 
I don't have the exact syntax for the addressing here with me, but
it's extremely simple.. 
 
The very best way to get the precise format is to go into CIS Mail
and type   HELP INTERNET

The form of the address is something like:  >INTERNET:dufus@funnyvale.com
 
Unfortunately, sending mail from Internet, and analyzing the return
address will NOT work..
 
UUEncoded binary files should work fine..  I'm not sure what the maximum
file size is, but breaking a file into several segments shouldn't be
much of a problem..

BobR
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: stigj@dhhalden.no (STIG JORGENSEN)
Subject: Re: Which programming language?
Keywords: just my opinion, C
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.123440.10960@cs.mcgill.ca> bpat@cs.mcgill.ca (Patrick BETREMIEUX) writes:
>From: bpat@cs.mcgill.ca (Patrick BETREMIEUX)
>Subject: Re: Which programming language?
>Keywords: just my opinion, C
>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:34:40 GMT
>I must agree with him wholehartedly. C is the best way to go (Easy enough to
>learn, and it's the one that lets you use the ST's power the most).
>
>As for books, I'm not sure if they are still in print, but I find that the
>Abacus books ("Atari ST Internals" and "GEM Programmers reference") are your
>best buy.
>
>					Patrick.

Have you ever checked when these books were made?! They are too old to be 
any good, and if you want to program STE, TT and Mega STE, you won't find 
any info about theses machines in the Abacus books. The best book you can 
buy for money, is certainly the Profibuch. The problem is that it is 
German...

Stig
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks)
Subject: Re: Falcon 040 so soon? (was Re: Tramiel's got the spirit)
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:13:53 GMT

In <1992Oct14.192318.25937@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
>In article <Bw48CH.CJH@sci.kun.nl> sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks) writes:
>>Ok, I'm the one who started this thread and yesterday I read the
>>interview in which Tramiel said this. It was a translation into Dutch,
>>so I'm sure the re-translation won't do it any good. The exact
>>statement was that Atari would either continue making exciting new
>>technologies, or they'd drop the Res&Dev department completely and
>>continue making boring PC-clones. But Tramiel wouldn't have to cope
>>with this, since if it came to that he'd leave Atari. BTW, in the same
>>interview the Falcon040 was promised for 1992, a (20MHz) cheapo TT and
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>some other things. Tramiel "could safely promise to show the Falcon at
>>the CeBIT in '92", and it would have 24 or 32 bit graphics :-). 
>>Well, well...
>Umm, this should be a neat trick.  Considering that it's Oct. 92 now
>and we still haven't seen the Falcon030, just how does Atari propose
>to get an 040 out in the next 2 1/2 months?
>I'm assuming this is a typo.  Anybody who has read the article care to
>correct this?  I, like many others I'm sure, am considering biting the
>bullet and upgrading my aging 1040 to a Falcon.  I'm just wanting to
>know which one it will be. :-)

Nope, this wasn't a typo of mine, more of a speako of Tramiel. Never
mind though, it was an issue of early 1991 if I'm correct. And Atari
has been known to promise things they can't keep. In the same
interview Sam says the problems with Chinon are definitely solved, and
Atari CD-ROM players would be marketed RSN. :-)

Sander SToks
sanders@sci.kun.nl


>Joe
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>\_/OE |  \EISS   |  If we keep up at this bandwidth, we'll blow up any
>          `----  |  minute now.  Me poor bairns canna take much more.
From: mikhil@ida.csd.uu.se (Mikael Hillborg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon in Sweden
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:58:27 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ida.csd.uu.se

Has anyone heard which company will be the new generalagent
for Atari here in Sweden ? It seems to take years before they
have decided. I could buy my Falcon from another country though
but it is always nice to see the thing with your own eyes before 
you buy it, to be sure that it holds up to its promises.
___________________________________________________

 Mikael Hillborg, Computer Sciencestudent at
  __        __  _
 |  \      /   / \
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 |   |/  \ |     \
 |__/ \__/ \__ \_/ Department of Computer Systems,
                   University of Uppsala, Sweden

 email: mikhil@student.docs.uu.se
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From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New Mac Prices tough on Falcon
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:07:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>sanders@sci.kun.nl (Sander Stoks) writes:
>>
>> ... and turn it into the umpteenth MS-DOS clone company. No thanks. I
>> read somewhere that Tramiel said "We'd rather go bankrupt than make
>> boring PC-clones." (or similar). Now THAT's an attitude.
>
>And they just might succeed (going bankrupt, that is).

   C'mon Chris.  You, more than anyone, should know that Atari is in
the better finincial position than they've been in for many years.
They might go bankrupt (like any company might), but it wouldn't be
soon.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: ATARI COMPUTER WISH LIST 
Reply-To: oyakea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:40:02 GMT

 ******** ATARI COMPUTER WISH LIST **************


 As Atari Users, don't you ever see products available for other computers that you wish you could have on your ST. And aren't there things you wish you could do on your ST. Well here's my list of products I would like to see on my ST    ( please note for any replier I PLAN TO BUY A FALCON );

1) A decent scalable font system compatible with all postscript standards.
2) A decent expansion bus ( e.g. VME etc ) on more of the ST line besides the     TT and Mega STe.
3) A true bi-directional Parallel port.
4) More software releases such as ATM, Pagemaker, CD-Rom software.
   ( N.B. ATM and Pagemaker are very good packages ).
5) At least one University level Math or/and Cad Program such as Mathematica,     Maple, Math-Cad, AutoCad, ProEngineer...
6) Upgradeable video route... at least a standard of upgrading an ST's video.
7) At least one 24bit graphics board.
8) At least one 040 accelerator ( damn even the A500 has one ).
9) At least some C++ compatible compiler.
10) YES!! Multitasking ( I use a Sun and can't live without multitasking ).
    Think of running an application and then needing to list a directory or
    have a file print in the background (e.g. text file), or even a comm
    program running.
11) More major third party support. Since when did a company like Canon/Lotus
    support the ST in any way.
12) BTW!! DOES ATARI USE ST's IN HOUSE ?????
13) MORE ST Magazines or at least some on racks.
14) An ST commercial on MTV.
15) An IBM/Mac emulator from ATARI ( well maybe ).
16) A UNIX Variant: if a 68010 Sun could run Unix back then, whats the problem?17) A Toaster beater.
18) An Atari Helpline with 1-800 number.
19) Customizable Desktop ( have you seen MOTIF ? ).
20) Decent CD-Rom packages for the ST.
21) More ST dealers, service people, and software retailers.
22) ST fairs in major Cities like New-York and L.A., why should London have all    the fun ??
23) A bigger case for the Falcon030, with VME, two proc.direct slots and CPU
    module.
24) For Computer biggies a Multiprocessing HUB with the features of the ATW
    display postcript, and more ( this is a wild dream alright !! ).
25) Adds for ST games on T.V.
26) A remake of the mega STe (68000),but merged with a 386, with AT slots,
    this will attack the PC market as well as well as people who need both
    systems.- I KNOW THIS VERY POSSIBLE.
27) More ATARI communication with users.
28) The major reprimand of ATARI higher ups for any screw-ups.

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