HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Building DECNET.LIB for DOS ??
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:00:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Posted-via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

>                                 etxjesm@inetx2
>                         Building DECNET.LIB for DOS ??
>
> Hi. I have tryed to build the DECNET.LIB who's sources are on
> the Pathworks DOS-client systemdisc (/DECNET/SOURCE/*.SRC)
> I have had no success...
> Is there anywone ho have don'it ??
> I am getting lots of warnings and errors from my C-compiler.
> There seems to be missing one (or more?) .H-files !?!?.

    Jan-Erik,

    I (and many others) have done it before. You can ignore the warnings
    (or fix the source ;-), but make sure you search the directory where
    you have the DECnet include files before the compiler's include files.
    
    Below is an outline of the process (it uses MASM and MSC, but you should
    be able to apply it to any Assembler, C-compiler).
    
    1) Create a directory where you want to do the work and CD to it
    
    2) Unarchive the DECnet library:

            d:\decnet\source\breaksrc d:\decnet\source\dnetlib.src .    

       (where 'd:' is the drive for the PCSAV4x system service).
 
    3) Make sure the DECnet include files are found before the compiler's
       include files (i.e. check your INCLUDE environment variable).

    4) Copy mSIZE.H to SIZE.H (where 'm' = your memory model; e.g. 'S', 'M' or
       'L'). E.g.:

            COPY lsize.h size.h

    5) Compile .ASM pieces. E.g.:

            FOR %a IN (*.asm) DO masm /al %a ;

    6) Compile .C pieces with "/c /Zp /Am /Dm_MODEL" (where 'm' as in #4).
       E.g.:
       
            FOR %a IN (*.c) DO cl /c /Zp /AL /DL_MODEL %a

    7) If you want Windows support in the library, add "/DWINDOWS /Gw" to
       the compiler options (I don't remember for sure, if you also needed
       to edit something in the ?SIZE.H file for Windows).
       
    8) Build the library. E.g.:

            FOR %a IN (*.obj) DO lib LDNET.LIB /NOL + %a ;

    If you have access to CompuServe, we should also have pre-built libraries
    (Microsoft, Borland) available on our DECPCI forum there.
          
    ...petri (backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com)
       Personal Computing Systems Group
       Digital Equipment Corporation
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Q: HPIIID Postscript code for duplex.
From: david@ccc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:51:17 NZDT
Organization: Christchurch City Council, New Zealand.

I want to be able to print files from VMS to the HPIIID and use
/FORM=DUPLEX.
Does anyone know what Postscript commands in need to insert into
the aps$devctl.tlb forms library to put an HPIIID into duplex mode.

I have looked in the HPIIID manual and it says
setduplexmode is the command.

I have defined the form etc.
I have tried the following postscript in the module duplex

%
% Set HPIII postscript printer to:  Duplex off,  Select top tray
%
statusdict/setduplexmode known {
        statusdict/setduplexmode true put
} if

but it doesn't work.
Am I missing something?

What do I put before and after it?
anyone?
---
David Richards, MIS unit, PO Box 237, Christchurch, New Zealand
david@ccc.govt.nz PSI%0530130010083::DAVID
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: les@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: NEWS Reader/Clarkson Pkt. Drvr. Woes
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:35:14 GMT

 Has anyone been able to get Trumpet (NEWS reader) to work with the Clarkson
packet drivers (DEPCA.COM) and vanilla Pathworks V4.1 (without TCP/IP option
installed)?

 Any help would be appreciated.  Someone mentioned they are using a packet
driver (based on Clarkson's) from FTP Software.  If this public domain? If
so, how can I get a copy of it?

---
Les Flodrowski                              CA..........les@vaxi.sscl.uwo.CA
Social Science Computing Laboratory         Bitnet......les@uwovax.BITNET
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario, Canada, N6A 5C2
From: edb_gunder@debet.nhh.no
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Appletalk printer problems
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:57:04 GMT
Organization: Norwegian School of Economics

In article <199204021857.AA10228@wugate.wustl.edu>, amidon@WUDOS2.WUSTL.EDU (Carol Amidon, Surgery) writes:
> We had the some of the same problems you've encountered, i.e., PC to Pathworks
> mac VMS queue hanging and fatal symbiont errors as well as the WordPerfect
> printing problems.
>  
> We solved this problem by installing CSCpat_3012 (from DEC) and by installing
> a new Laserprep file (needed to print from Mac 7.0).
>  
> Carol Amidon
> Assistant Network Manager
> Washington University
> Dept. of Surgery
> St. Louis, MO

We have also had the same problems mentioned here, so I got the
CSCpat_3012 for DEC today. When I looked at the release notes their
dating was January 1991, and was ment to be a patch to MSA 1.0. My
question is does this patch work properly with MSA 1.1? MSA 1.1 has
support for IIg, which 1.0 does not have. MSA 1.1 hopfully have support
for terminal connected printers which 1.0 does not have. Therefore I
have problems with seeing that a patch for 1.0 can fix this bug in 1.1.


Gunder Sonsteby
EDP-dept.
From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: PCFS_SERVER wedged
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:58:02 GMT
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <41200C36_00057EE8.00958CDB4838DBA0$6_1@UK.AC.KCL.PH.IPG>, SYSMGR@IPG.PH.KCL.AC.UK writes:
>This morning I came in to discover several pathworks users milling around
>outside my door, 

  9-APR-1992 16:52:51.47
 
  I know how that feels.

>and the PCFS_SERVER process doing not a lot (more accurately,
>nothing at all). ADMIN/PCSA commands like SHOW FILE_SERVER or STOP FILE_SERVER
>caused ADMIN/PCSA to hang, too.
> 

 We had that same problem quite some time ago and DEC sent us a patch
 (CSCPAT_3018013) that apparently fixed the problem.

>THe sledgehammer approach (STOP/ID on PCFS_SERVER, then @PCFS_STARTUP) seems
>to have cured things. However, I'm wondering: has anyone else seen this
>happen, and if so do they have any hints as to what causes it and how best
>to cure things? Software is VMS 5.4-2, Pathworks 4.0.
> 
>Thanks in advance,
>			Nigel Arnot.
>                        NRA%UK.AC.KCL.PH.IPG@UKACRL.BITNET


 I don't know if the patch I mentioned above is good for 5.4-2 .
 We were running 5.3-1 an the time we applied it and we now
 run 5.4-3 . The software version for that patch is PATHWORKS
 FOR VMS version S4.0D .


                                                  Kevin R. McHenry
                                                  NCSU BAE
From: sh1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stuart Mark Hiser)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: WD Ethercard+?
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:46:43 GMT
Organization: School of Urban & Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hello,
	Is anyone out there running PCSA 4.0 with a Western Digital
Ethercard+?  I recently upgraded from v3 to v4 and found that my
drivers no longer worked (fortunately, I kept a copy of the old
setup...).  Does anyone know where I can find a more recent set of
drivers?


Any help much appreciated.

Stu Hiser                                     Hiser@Astra.Supa.CMU.EDU
System Manager                                 sh1u@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon                           Stargazer@Drycas.Bitnet
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: jmacdonald@mta.ca
Subject: RE: PW4DOS 4.0 and PW4VMS 4.1 ???
Reply-To: jmacdonald@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:11:45 GMT

In article <35037@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom) writes:
>>                    EITNER@DBNISKP5.BITNET (Patrick Eitner)
>>                         PW4DOS 4.0 and PW4VMS 4.1 ???
>>
>> recently somebody reported running PW4DOS 4.0 together with PW4VMS 4.1.
>> Then I read a message saying that you would need both new LAT.EXE and 
>> LATCP.EXE on the DOS-Client.
.
.
.
>
>    You do not _need_ any V4.1 client components on V4.0 clients (LAT,
>    LATCP or anything) to make the work. 
>    
>     ...petri (backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com)
>       Personal Computing Systems Group
>       Digital Equipment Corporation
>       

After upgrading from PW3 for DOS to PW40 for DOS  Digital instructed me to get
the LAT.EXE and LATCP.EXE from the PW41 disks (Digital can supply the patch) in
order to avoid having my LAT sessions regularly de-assigning on me.  Since then
I have received yet another update to LAT and LATCP to solve the mystery of
losing keystrokes while using an editor on a LAT session.  MMMM we still have
the LAT problem of the up and down arrow keys in EVE hanging the PC (again a
LAT session AND this problem only occurs with Digital's LK250 keyboards...). 
And we have these problems on DECStations using DEPCA cards (I wonder how the
clones are doing?)).  Actually I am still running PW40 on the server as well,
and Digital has "escalated" our support calls on these problems and are working
hard on our behalf.  PCSA v3 was problem free for us - I hope for the same for
PW4 DOS....... someday.

Jane
From: wasser@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::wasser)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Probably not Int 5.  Maybe memory?
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:00:18 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Posted-via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

> Is anyone running Mathematica/DOS 2.0 on a Pathworks PC?  Even with it
> installed locally, it trashes network connections.  It appears that both
> Mathematica and REDIR are using interrupt 5, 

	The redirector hooks Int 5 (Print Screen) so that it can
	prevent the (asynchronus) Print Screen keystroke from
	causing the non-reentrant redirector to re-enter.

	Unless you press the Print Screen key, Int 5 should never
	be called.

	One possible explanition for the network connection trashing
	is a bad memory configuration.  Mathematica uses a lot of
	memory and may be using parts of the upper memory blocks managed
	by your memory manager(s) that are not used by any other
	program.  Try telling your memory manager(s) to exclude the
	entire upper memory block area (a0000-fffff).  If Mathematica
	now works with PATHWORKS you can bet that it was tromping on
	some network buffers... check your memory configuration.
From: etxjesm@inetx2
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Doing 'USE...' from MS-Win ???
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:22:22 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: etxjesm

Hi.
Does anybody know of a way to start MS-Win-apps on the VMS server
and at the same time do a connect ('USE....') to the service.

I have tried with spawning the USE command from VisualBasic
but it does not look very nice on the screen.

Is there a way to do a fileservice connect with some Windows call ?
(Or, more general, a connect to any service on the LAN...)
Obviously there must be, the file manager does it, BUT HOW ???
-- 
                   Jan-Erik S|derholm
                   Ericsson Telecom AB
                   Norrk|pings fabriken
                   Box 72
                   601 02 Norrk|ping
                   Sweden
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: BTRIEVE and Pathworks for DOS
From: "Kevin L. Davidson" <DAVIDSON@ADMIN.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:09:00 EST

I'm trying to setup an application that uses a BTRIEVE front-end.  The .BAT
that came with the application has the following two lines in it.
 
BTRIEVE /M:30 /P:2048 /B:4 /C
ITPAT
 
With the network is loaded, this application hangs 9 out of 10 times.  The
keyboard usually locks up, but it's even rebooted itself or blanked the screen.
The CONFIG.SYS settings seem to be OK.  It runs OK when I don't STARTNET.
 
The application document has no mention of BTRIEVE in it.  Can anyone give me
some insights on this beast?  I'm running DOS 5, EMMSYS, Pathworks for DOS 4.0,
Gateway 2000 486/33C.
 
Kevin L. Davidson                    Administrative Computing Services
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.           EMail:  DAVIDSON@ADMIN.Rose-Hulman.EDU
5500 Wabash Avenue                   Phone:  (812)877-8294
Terre Haute, IN  47803               FAX:    (812)877-3198
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Wordperfect 5.1 and PW
From: LENORRIS@DAVIDSON.BITNET
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:12:00 EDT

I have been using WordPerfect with Pathworks since rev. 2.2. I have never had
queue problems. Here is the way I have it set up on our network.
 
1. Have it on Disk Service.
 
2. Have set up a scratch disk where the temporary and set files a written.
   This information is created using DOS Environment variables to set
   login IDs for WordPerfect.
 
3. All the printers installed in WordPerfect are set to print to LPT1:, and
   when a print queue is connected upon startup, it is connected to LPT1:
 
If you have problems getting this setup to work, then you can call WordPerfect
Pathworks support.
From: backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: 3Com 3C501 driver for PATHWORKS
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:00:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Posted-via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

>                    andreas@didymus.rmi.de (Andreas Fassl)
>                      Re: 3C503 errors from Netsetup 4.1 
>
>
>at this topic, is there a 3c501-driver available for pathworks and
>where can I get it?

    Ask 3Com or your local 3Com dealer for an NDIS (Network Device Interface
    Specification) driver for the old Etherlink (3C501).

    I think there's also a 3Com host you should be able to access with 
    anonymous FTP, but I don't know what/where.
    
    The file you need is named ELNK.DOS.
    
    Create a PROTOCOL.INI stub that contains
    
        DRIVERNAME = ELNK$
        
    And install it by selecting the "Other NDIS" option in NETSETUP.
    
    The 3C501 is single-buffered and slow (and the NDIS driver isn't 
    exactly new either ;-), so you might have to resort to tuning
    excercises to keep it up (you're likely to loose packet, since
    the board is not likely to keep up with the network traffic).
    
    The tuning excercises should include things like
    
        - disabling multicast listening for DECnet, LAT, LAD/LAST
          (in NCP, LATCP and /M:D for LAD/LAST)
        - disabling DECnet flow-control (/FC: qualifier for DNP)
        - lowering DECnet receive/transmit pipe quotas (in NCP)
        - lowering LAD/LAST read/write transaction sizes (/R: /W:)
        - increasing DECnet timers, retransmit limits (in NCP)
        
    See the client documentation for details about that.
    
    ...petri (backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com)
       Personal Computing Systems Group
       Digital Equipment Corporation
From: backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: PW4DOS 4.0 and PW4VMS 4.1 ???
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:00:26 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Posted-via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

>                    EITNER@DBNISKP5.BITNET (Patrick Eitner)
>                         PW4DOS 4.0 and PW4VMS 4.1 ???
>
> recently somebody reported running PW4DOS 4.0 together with PW4VMS 4.1.
> Then I read a message saying that you would need both new LAT.EXE and 
> LATCP.EXE on the DOS-Client.

    PATHWORKS for DOS V4.0 clients can connect to PATHWORKS for VMS V4.1
    servers just fine.
    
    Actually, it is recommended that when upgrading, you first upgrade your
    server to V4.1, then install the V4.1 client software on the server, but
    keep the V4.0 client software (the PCSAV40 system service). 
    
    And then you start upgrading your V4.0 clients to V4.1 at a rate you
    prefer (that suits your environment, organization, resources).

    You do not _need_ any V4.1 client components on V4.0 clients (LAT,
    LATCP or anything) to make the work. 
    
     ...petri (backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com)
       Personal Computing Systems Group
       Digital Equipment Corporation
From: etxjesm@inetx2
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Building DECNET.LIB for DOS ??
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:31:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: inetx2.1992Apr12.153154.1
Nntp-Posting-User: etxjesm

Hi. I have tryed to build the DECNET.LIB who's sources are on
the Pathworks DOS-client systemdisc (/DECNET/SOURCE/*.SRC)
I have had no success...
Is there anywone ho have don'it ??
I am getting lots of warnings and errors from my C-compiler.
There seems to be missing one (or more?) .H-files !?!?.

 -- 
                   Jan-Erik S|derholm
                   Ericsson Telecom AB
                   Norrk|pings fabriken
                   Box 72
                   601 02 Norrk|ping
                   Sweden
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Xircom II adapters and Pathwork 4.0 -Repl
From: Jim Becker <BECKERJA%WPO1P%WPO2V%WPGATE@SNYCENVA.BITNET>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:22:00 EST

When you did the NETSETUP for a DLL configuration, did you edit
the STARTNET.BAT and change the DLL startup line so that it
reads:
                  DLL /irq:7
 
and make sure a copy of the Xircom DLL is placed in the C:\DECNET
directory as DLL.EXE?
 
That's what we got hung up on.  Unfortunately, we don't have a
complete configuration anymore to draw from   it's on a test
machine.
 
==================================================================
Jim Becker         |  __   PC WP _____\ VMS WP _____\ WP/VMS Mail
State Univ. of NY  | |ME|  Office     / Office      /   Gateway
Central Admin.     |  ~~                                    |
TEL: (518) 443-5548|                                        |
FAX: (518) 443-5799|  ___   /~\__/~\                        V
E-MAIL:            | |YOU| |Internet| /____ Joiner /____ Innosoft
  BECKERJA%WPO1P   |  ~~~   \_/~~\_/  \      JNET  \       PMDF
  @SNYCENVA.BITNET |
==================================================================
 
==================== Original message text =====================
 
Subj:     Xircom II adapters and Pathwork 4.0
 
Hello,
     Has anyone been successful in getting the Xircom II ethernet
adapters to work with Pathworks 4.0 on a laptop?  If you have,
would you please send a copy of your setup.  Doing a regular
Pathworks installation just causes the laptop to hang when
starting the network.  Doing an NDIS installation, I can't get
the netbind to work ... not sure what's going on.   Thanks in
Advance!!!!
 
+-------------------------------+----------------------------------------------+
| Alan J. Canellis              | Disclaimer: Who, What, When,
From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: TCP/IP Boot And LAD
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University


13-APR-1992 08:36:32.02
 

Hello:


A long while back I posted regarding the loading of LAD while booted
TCP/IP. At the time there did seem to be a clear cut way of doing it.
We are running 4.0 server and client so I was wondering if 4.1 addressed
this problem.  It gets to be a headache when a user has to boot DECNET
to run disk service applications and then boot TCP/IP to get window
applications back from our UNIX boxes. I would like to have a single
PATHWORKS boot sequence that handles all of the users needs. 

                                                  Thanks in Advance

                                                  Kevin R. McHenry
                                                  NCSU BAE
                                                  mchenry@bae.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: dzubin@skorpio.usask.ca (Thomas Dzubin)
Subject: NCP command in PathWorks for DOS
Organization: Saskatchewan Institute of Applied Science & Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:29:50 GMT



For various reasons, I need to be able to change the default access to
our Pathworks server from no-username to a username and back to no-username

(This is on a Pathworks microcomputer connecting to a VAX/VMS system)
Going from the default of no-username to a username is easy:
      NCP DEFINE NODE FOO USER BAR PASS SECRET
but, aside from re-booting the micro, there seems to be no easy way of
going back to accessing node FOO with no username.

Anyhow, what I want is the equivalent of:
      NCP DEFINE NODE FOO noUSER

The only way, I can do it now is:
      NCP PURGE NODE FOO
      NCP DEFINE NODE 5.1 NAME FOO MS-NET
which sorta seems like a kludge.

Any ideas?

Thomas Dzubin
Networks person and general scapegoat
Saskatchewan Institute of Applied Science & Technology (SIAST)  CANADA
dzubin@skorpio.usask.ca  or  dzubint@sask.usask.ca
From: backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: NCP command in PATHWORKS for DOS
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:00:13 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Posted-via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

>                    dzubin@skorpio.usask.ca (Thomas Dzubin)
>                       NCP command in PathWorks for DOS
>
>Anyhow, what I want is the equivalent of:
>      NCP DEFINE NODE FOO noUSER

    That's an easy one:
    
        C:\>NCP DEFINE NODE nodename USER username PASSWORD password
        
    adds the username/password to an existing node definition, and
    
        C:\>NCP PURGE NODE nodename USER
        
    clears the username/password, but leaves the DECnet name/address
    intact.
    
    ...petri (ranger@backstrom.enet.dec.com)
       Personal Computing Systems Group
       Digital Equipment Corporation
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: IBM LAN Services over TCP/IP (was Pathworks for OS/2 v2)
From: "D. Lamkin - Telecom Informatics Officer - ISD Atlantic"<DLAMKIN@ATRGMO.AGR.CA>
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:54:00 -0400
X-VMS-Cc: DLAMKIN

Hi,
 
 
I am fairly new to this forum and did nor receive your earlier posting
for PCSA under OS/2.   I received the update with steps 1 and 4 ...
 
Could you send me a complete copy of your notes for the installations
procedure.  I may have to install PCSA under OS/2 sometime in the near
future.
 
 
Thanks in advance,
 
 
Don lamkin
 
Agriculture Canada,
 
Moncton, NB.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Phantom File Server with Mac IICI
From: f71839389@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (D R Friedman)
Date: 11 Apr 1992 19:05 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Keywords: macintosh
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

My co-worker came to me with a problem.  He could not get the DECNET
gateway and file server "VAXHARE ON BLAH BLAH" to appear in the chooser
window.  He was right.  

Running MSA/ADMIN shows all the volumes mounted
NCP show objects shows the right processes
Show system shows MSAF$SERV[whatever]is on-line

Any ideas.  He said the only thing that changed since the last time
he got on the server from the MAC side was PM by DEC.

Technical support in Atlanta tried to help, but.......

I could speculate it is an appletalk problem and yes I did check and the
right zone and right name exist in appletalk config file.

Any suggestions or hints will be appreciated.


Denny Friedman                            F71839389@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu

"Any kind of machinery used for shortening labour-except used in a cooperative 
society like ours- must tend to less wages, and to deprive working men of 
employment and finally either starve them or compel them to emigrate."

	--Manifesto Cooperative Community County Clare Ireland, 1883
	on the introduction of the reaping machine.

April 11, 1992:  Thousands of IBM workers were declared "surplus" and told to
get another job within IBM or get severance pay.