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From: mjp3783@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Developing for CDTV ? and...to CDTV or not to CDTV ???
Reply-To: mjp3783@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:41:31 GMT

In article <rwm.712299630@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca>, rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:
>c8908461@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Robert Lang) writes:
>>Ok, so CDTV prices are on the drop, and I've found out that they can
>>be used as a CDROM to my 3000...nice !
>
>  I'll only be able to give you 'my viewpoint', but you'll hopefully be able
>to add all the various opinions together ;-)
>
>  The CDTV is an Amiga - If you wanted to use is 'As a CDROM drive' you would
>need to somehow network those two Amiga's together.  Obviously, the
>cheap 'Parnet' option is quite slow, and there aren't any
                          ^^^^^^^^^^     
Parnet is exceedingly fast (unless we define fast/slow much differently!)

>network cards, or even a SCSI adaptor for the CDTV available.
>
>  I myself bought the CDTV with the plan of writing software for it,
>and using it as a CDROM/etc/etc style machine.
>
>  The first stumbling block is that CDTV documentation is only available
>to certified ($$$) developers.  I've never been able to get the slightest
>bit of documentation on the CDTV.

Becoming a certified developer costs $100.

>
>  Secondly, the built-in software is quite poor.  The CD filesystem will crash
>under many different disks - There was a CDROM of ab20.larc.nasa.gov made
>up a while ago, and the CDTV supposedly just locks up with it in the drive.
>
>  As a CD player, it's poor.  The Remote control and front panel controls
>don't do the same thing, you get locked out while playing certain disks.
>The 'Track' digit readout doesn't show if you start the player with the 
>remote, but it does when you hit the front panel.  In general, it gives you
>a very poor/cheesy feeling while using it, and I'm embarrased to
>'demo' it to friends, so I don't bother any more.
>
>  Even though CBM has told me that updates to the ROM are not currently 
>available, I might wait a bit longer.  If things don't improve in the
>documentation/built-in software department, I'll likely be selling mine
>off fairly soon to buy a CDROM drive itself.

Let me know when you decide to do so...

>
>>Robert Lang
>>4th Year (last ! Hurrah !) Computer Engineer
>>University of Newcastle
>>Australia
>
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From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Re: MUNGWALL 37.54 uploaded (addendum)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:19:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.151314.4528@sagpd1>, monty@sagpd1 writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.224702.25458@javelin.sim.es.com> dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) writes:

"offending" article deleted...

> >
> Minor falme ON:
> 
> 	I guess it's time to air my two my pet complaints again.
> 
> 	1) signature blocks -- Not everyone in this world has a 16.8k baud
> 	modem and unnecessarly long signature blocks are a pain.  This example
> 	is only 18 lines long, some have exceeded 23 lines lately!

The example is my "signature block". I didn't include a disclaimer until 
my employer told me to put one in. Yell at them, not me.

From my name to the email address I count 12 lines, not 18.

> 	2) comp.sys.amiga.binaries/source -- Why does everyone drop everything
> 	at an ftp site and not post anything to the binaries/sources groups 
> 	anymore?

For me, it's easier to do it this way. If you want, I will uuencode it and
send it to you. I offered once to Carolyn Scheppner at CATS to upload the
Mungwall and Enforcer archives and she has now sent me three updates to 
Mungwall and one for Enforcer. 

THANK YOU CAROLYN for supporting your customers!!!!!!

> 	Some of us do not have ftp access but are still very interested in
> 	many things like mungwall. Have the binary/sources group really
> 	come back on line ????? or is that just a dream!

p.s entire article not included to cut down on bandwidth.

Look out, here comes the signature block!

	David

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	Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the
	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
		    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
		    employer.

		    ie: If I mess up, it's my fault and mine alone.
	**************************************************************

	dingbre@imp.sim.es.com
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: C Programmer's Editor of Choice?
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:42:25 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Jul22.182331.6507@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dylan@cs.washington.edu (Dylan McNamee) writes:
> In article <33197@cbmvax.commodore.com> bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking) writes:
> >In article <14fneaINN75v@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> jonathan@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan Cano) writes:
> >>Another excellent option is QED, a shareware editor by Darren M. Greenwald
> >>(who is a programmer at C= ).  QED amazing!
> >
> ... other users mention TurboText ...
>
> I have registered QED, and have decided against TurboText for one main
> reason--TurboText doesn't support the Amiga keymap mechanism!  I use
> a dvorak keyboard, (very happily I might add) and TurboText is hard-coded
> with qwerty.  Unacceptable in a program, and evidence that the programmer
> isn't "playing by the rules", which is generally important in an editor.
>

I have found TTX to be the ultimate program in following the rules -
clipboard, arexx, workbench.library, support and more.

As for your dvorak keyboard issue - it is a non-issue.  Go edit your
keybindings and bind the keys to the dvorak layout.  Even easier than
setting up a keymap.

> QED's virtues (for me) are its full AREXX support, very fast file loading
> and search/replace (it loads my >>200K fish listing in less than two seconds)
> and its support of keymaps.
>

A funny story:  I loaded my 7Meg mbox into ttx the other day.  When I quit
the file, I thought the program crashed...  I waited a bit and was just
about to hit C-A-A when the quit finished.  Took many many many seconds
to free up its linked lists :)


> just my 2 cents...(anxiously waiting for my registered qed!)
>
> dylan
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From: peteru@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: SAS C where is it?
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:33:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.233930.7079@bain3.bain.oz.au>, carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
|> 
|> 	HELP ME... I've spent a frustrating weekend trying to locate a store
|> that stocks SAS C, or any C compiler for that matter. Who employs the people
|> who work at Amiga shops?? (eg Computer Spot ), they all looked at me non-plussed
|> when I dropped the word 'includes 2.0', I think they had trouble believing
|> that me, a silly Amiga owner would want a non-game package...
|> 

Whatever you do you don't want to talk to Scum Spot staff. They are a bunch of
useless idiots, that don't know anything about the stuff that they sell.
BTW: Scum Spot does carry SAS/C.

You can either buy SAS/C directly from SAS (they are based in Lane Cove, just
down the road from C=) or from Hard Disk cafe' in Mona Vale. I got mine from
HD Cafe' because it was a bit cheaper. They were pretty cool about everything
and send it to me very quickly. When I was ordering it they told me that they
would send me 5.10a, but when I got it, it was in fact 5.10b; the latest.

|> 	Honestly, if I had a PC, then I'd have a C compiler with me right now,
|> why do Amiga shops ignore so much of the Amiga's potential?? They try and class
|> it as a games machine only, I think they should all do a spot of reading, or 
|> go and destroy some other machine's user base.
|> 

Yes, but if you had a PC you would probably ripped your hair out by now trying
to get your PC to do anything at all.

|> 	So, does anyone know of a shop in Sydney, Australia, that sells SAS C?
|> The next best thing would be an address to someone who does, even if they're
|> overseas. As a last resort, what's a good price on a 486 PC ??
|> 

They would have to pay me to get a Messy-DOS box  :-)


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From: dgilbert@aeshq.uucp (David Gilbert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: Manx Make can't get path info from SkSh. Can any Make?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:28:39 GMT
Organization: Environment Canada --- Atmostpheric Environment Service
In-reply-to: chymes@uri.csmil.umich.edu's message of 17 Jul 92 17:52:06 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Jul 92 17:52:06 GMT, chymes@uri.csmil.umich.edu (Charles Hymes) said:

Charles> Manx make gives exec errors for most of the commands use to
Charles> compile and link stuff. ie cc foo.c dosent work, the rule has
Charles> to be Devo:bin/cc foo.c . This is really annoying becasue cc
Charles> invokes the manx asembler as, but does it internally, so you
Charles> can't explicitly set the path to it. Furthermore, if as is
Charles> run seperately, it very often generates incorect object code.
Charles> Damn it.

Charles> Anyway, is there a make that works well with SkSh? If there
Charles> is more than one, whats the best one?

	It has to do with your installation of the compiler.  Go back to the
floppies, and use the install program.  It actually puts a hard coded path
into the binary, I think.  You can make an Aztec: somewhere in your HD, then
ask it to install to that dir.  Then it will still work if you move it by.

	An interesting side note is that the versions available from their bbs
seem to be without this feature.  They seem to correctly discern where they
are.

Dave.

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From: hemmer@hemmer.adsp.sub.org (Franz Hemmer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: Help with Boopsi and sysiclass please
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:32:16 GMT
Organization: InterActivsion

In article <24804@sophia.inria.fr> beust@rhea.inria.fr (Cedric Beust) writes:

>	I need to change the System Gadgets imageries, so that the
>	change takes effect on any already open windows and also on
>	windows to come.
>
>	Obivously, doing a SetAttrs() on a system gadget got by
>	NewObject with a new image isn't enough. Any idea?

Perhaps you could change them using SetFunction() ? I have no real
experience doing this, but it's the approach the comes first to mind.

>| Cedric BEUST                                     University of Nice    |

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From: mark@mugwump.mil.wi.us (Mark C. Litscher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: uptime for the Amiga
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:37:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: mugwump.mark.01cy

Yes, in fact there is. It's part of a package called Job Manager- it contains
uptime, stat, and several other commands. It allows setting a ratio for heavy
CPU using programs- 2 CPU cycles for you, and 3 for you.

Later..

Mark

P.S. the latest version that I have seen is 2.1

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From: eb15+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward D. Berger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Using System() when started from Workbench -- path?
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:35:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0ePirjO00WB6AL40NI
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm interested in using the System() function in my program, so I started
to play again with AmigaMail example from the Fish Disks.  I will be using
the Asynchronous beginCommand(), so I chopped out the other code, and changed
the two examples launched to "path" and "newshell".

This works great from a Shell, but when I run the program from Workbench,
the only available path is:
  Current_Directory
  C:

Does someone have a simple example of getting the path from the Workbench
process so I can feed it to System()?  I presume I will have to do something
like this:

    Forbid();
    printf("Trying to find workbench!\n");
    wb_task = FindTask("Workbench");
    if( !wb_task )
        printf(" Couldn't find Workbench!\n");
    else{
        printf(" Found the Workbench Task!\n");
        /* Allocate memory for a (BPTR)cli_CommandDir */
        /* Somehow make a copy of that from Workbench */
        }
    Permit();

I am using SAS/C 5.10a with the V37.4 includes from NATDEV20.
If possible the code should be portable to DICE.  The code may use
V37 calls, as it is a 2.04 only application.

Thanks in advance.

-Ed Berger
eb15@andrew.cmu.edu
eberger@psc.edu
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From: torp@cats.ucsc.edu (Judith Lynn Nakamura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: GadTools bugs?
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:59:28 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


DougBish Bischoff writes about GadToolsBox:
>
>to use "Move Gadget."  I select it and it says "Click on Gadget to Move."
>     Okay, I click on it, and the message stays there.  I keep clicking until
>my index finger falls off, trying every pixel of the gadget and its title, and
>still "Click on Gadget to Move."  Okay, enough with that, I'll go to something
>else.  I click the Right Mouse Button.... and the "Click on Gadget to Move"
>     Help?

After clicking in a string gadget when you are trying to move it, the cursor
should appear inside.  Press return, then you can move the gadget.

Judy
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From: prado@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Louis A. Prado)
Subject: APIG.library for ARexx
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:33:55 GMT

Has anyone had any sucess with this library ?  I am a little new to ARexx,
but whenever I try to execute the included examples it crashes my Amiga.
After running RexxMast,  I type the following in my AmigaDOS Shell:

rxlib rexxsupport.library 0 -30 0
rxlib rexxsyslib.library 0 -30 0
rx apig/e1_window.rexx

Then after a breif moment of HD activity, CRASH!  All the example does is
open a window, type some text, and some other basic stuff.

I desperately need to write an application but can't afford a C compiler.
Using APIG seems to be my only alternative.

I am using WB 2.1.
 

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From: clement@arp.anu.edu.au (CJ Canon)
Subject: gcc 2.1 - I need it fast!
Organization: Centre for Information Science Research ANU
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 05:45:48 GMT


I found gcc2.1 in lha form on archie.au, and various other places. The
problem is, to get it to my machine at home, I have only a 2400 baud
modem, and a dying phone line.
I managed to get xmodem to transfer about 1250K of the 1600-oddK, but
it died with too many transmission errors. 

I need either 
	1)	the source to LhA, so I can compile it on my unix account
		and split up the file,
or	
	2) 	for someone to put gcc21-920420.lha in a set of smaller
		.lha files (about 400K max).

Anyone got the facilities to doit for me?

Thanks in advance,

CJ
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: LISP,Prolog,SMALLTALK compilers.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 2.0, 1992/06/25 01:41:36
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:12:35 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <1452@grivel.une.edu.au>, cfiddyme@neumann.une.edu.au (Chris Fiddyment) wrote:
> 
>   I am looking for PD compilers for LISP, Prolog and SMALLTALK. What ones are
>   available. I have seen a few on the Fish disks but what ones do you think are
>   the best. I do not want a commercial one as I will only learning them.

If you can use ftp, get the LISP.LIST from gatekeeper.pa.de.com, in
pub/micro/amiga/lisp. If you've got bms, an updated version of that
file can be had from contessa.palo-alto.ca.us. This lists many of the
PD LISP and LISP-like languages.

There's also the amigalisp mail list, for discussing LISP and
LISP-like languages. To subscribe, send mail to
amigalisp-request@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us.

	<mike
From: kaarts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kenneth John Aarts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: Gnu emacs, amiga-set-geometry?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:28:13 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

I did not receive a response in c.s.a.misc, so I thought I would try here.

>I could use some knowledge about the latest amiga port of GNU Emacs.  I am
>using "GNU Emacs 18.58, Amiga port 1.25DG".

>First, it doesn't seem to recognise amiga-set-geometry.

>Second, the docs mention the full source can be found at amiga.physik.unizh.ch,
>but it doesn't seem to be there, or at any of the mirrors.

>Third, putting either of the following commands in my .emacs file results in
>errors.

>(auto-fill-mode)
>(load-file ispell.el)

>Thanks for your help,
>Ken
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: C Programmer's Editor of Choice?  (dvorak)
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:57:00 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul24.025828.16591@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dylan@cs.washington.edu (Dylan McNamee) writes:
>
> I just checked again--I was wrong, those that claimed that TurboText
> runs correctly with the dvorak keyboard were correct--it is a keymap
> and 2.0 friendly application (but it doesn't let you open its windows
> on a public screen, that I can tell...)
>

You can open its windows on its own custom screen, or you can get it to
open windows on another public screen.  Check out the tooltypes.

Try giving the manual a GOOD reading :)

> I see OXXI's address in the doc's, but how much is this program?

I paid $75.  The demo on the fish disks is free (but crippled).


>
> thanks, and mea culpa...( which "Super" editor did I see that ignores keymaps?)
> dylan
>       /L      dylan mcnamee		dylan@cs.washington.edu
>      /  L
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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From: sevigny@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Benoit Sevigny)
Subject: ARexx pragmas
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:15:52 GMT

I am searching for the complete ARexx libraries pragmas.  I would be glad if anyone could e-mail them to me.

Reply-to: sevigny@info.polymtl.ca

Thanks.
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From: forgeas@swinjm.UUCP (Jean-Michel Forgeas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: IDCMP Bugs -- Inquiry
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:12:00 GMT
Reply-To: cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmfra!swinjm!forgeas (Jean-Michel Forgeas)
Organization: The Software Winery
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 alpha rel2

In article <03DgoB2w164w@eastern.COM>, Hao Dang writes:

> I've come across a few messages that have stated that there is a bug with
> the AMIGA IDCMP ports?  Can anybody give me the specifics to this?

The only bug I know about this is that Intuition 2.0 (the input.device
handler) does set the SELECTED flag of a gadget only after having PutMsg()
to a IDCMP port.
But there is no problem if your task has a priority less than the priority
of the input.device (<20).

    Jean-Michel
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From: heinz@edohwg.UUCP (Heinz Wrobel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: Scrollbars for windows
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:26:33 GMT
Organization: Edotronik GmbH

In article <1992Jul20.085237.16721@syma.sussex.ac.uk> mpue2@syma.sussex.ac.uk (James E. Talbut) writes:
>I want to open a window with a new style scrool bar down the right hand
>side, just like the ones that Workbench opens, but without the bottom scroller.
>
>What is the best way to do it?
>GadTools doesn't seem to be able to a) use the new imagery
>				or  b) attach things to the border.

Exactly.

>Does this mean I'm going to have to do it all by hand?
>And am I going to have to manage three Gadgets (one prop two buttons)?

Well yes ...unless you get into BOOPSI to make yourself a complete custom
slider.

>Is it possible to access the imagery that GadTools (or Workbench) uses
>for its UP/DOWN buttons?

Hmm. Try the images of the BOOPSI sysiclass. (RKM Libraries, page 900)

>James Talbut		 mpue2@syma.susx.ac.uk


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