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Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: angst music
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:11:17 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz writes:
>
> >bzb47596@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Phaedrus) writes:
> >
> > > if you think the ending to The Wall is happy, then you really do belong
> > > here on alt.angst. :-)
> >
> > But it is. Pink tears down all the walls and all the crap and self delusion
> > that's he's built into his life and starts to face the world again. It's
> > certainly the start of a considerably more angstful existance but it's
> > definitely a happy ending.
> 
> hmm.. someone posted their interpretation of the whisper at the end:
> "Isn't this where?"
> and also says that there is a whisper at the beginning: "... we came in."
> 
> This circular motion could be either good or bad. 

Yeah, that's an interpretation I hadn't noticed.

> Also, I don't think Pink was _able_ to tear down his walls. He _had_ to, but
> he couldn't. That is the point of "..banging your heart against some mad
> brother's wall." Also, it ends in acid-cartoon stuff, which suggests he
> went crazy. 

He does tear down his walls, that's the important part of the final sequence
(with the walls coming down). The "banging your heart" refers to the bleeding
hearts and artists who've been there all this time, not to Pink failing (and
it's "some mad bugger's wall").

I don't personally think the acid-cartoon stuff is really meant to symbolise
what you're reading into it, it's easy to over-interpret stuff like this.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
From: bm455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradley N. Deacon)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Angst music
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:34:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hey, nothing beats a good dirge or a requiem for Hoervergnuegen
(listening pleasure).  I recommend Faure's requiem Mass.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Angst quote
Keywords: pessimism
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:40:39 GMT

In article <1did06INNgln@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> davros@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tyler Yip - UnixWeenie(tm)) writes:

>I FEEL WEEK AND TIRED AND USELESS.  I JUST WANT TO LIE DOWN ON
>THE SIDEWALK AND DIE.  WHAT'S THE USE OF MOVING OR DOING ANYTHING?
>THE SUM TOTAL OF EVERYTHING I'VE EVER DONE ADDS UP TO NOTHING AND 
>EVEN IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE IT WOULDN'T MATTER.

I HAVE THIS SHIRT!!!...Its so cool and angstful!, I love it!!
A friend got it for me when I was suicidal last winter :)

ObAngst:I haven't been able to find it for months...bah
---Steve
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Angst music
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:35:36 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov6.185453.8807@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel Perkins) writes:
>


>>>
>>i see your point, but that wasn't what i meant. certainly, having no-one want
>>to have sex with you likely implies that you don't get sex, but i meant that
>>all i really need is the 'wanting' part, not the actual sex part.
>
>But how do you tell for sure if any wanting part is there? 

you can't, for sure. but you can be reasonably certain. on the other hand, i
had to nearly break an asshole's wrist on wednesday night at a club, because
i don't like to have to say 'no' more than once. these are the sorts of guys
i was describing below. the kind who think the only desireable thing about a 
woman is her body. 
but the not being able to be sure part is definitely angstful...
>
>>  and the 
>>very fact that people feel like failures just because they don't get sex
>>bothers me. you know, the 'typical' (heh) male who brags about his conquests
>>is popular
>
>Is he? I don't like that kind of person (but thats for all the wrong reasons).


well, you're obviously not the average frat asshole or bowhead. you look deeper
than skin-level.

ObAngst: i confronted the friend who filled my head with lies, and he is out of
my life. i stopped being worried, and started being disgusted, so i told him.
and all he could tell me was more lies. why can't people be who they are?
why can't they live their own lives. i can understand fantasizing about being 
someone else, but this is ridiculous....
bah.

--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
					-Aldous Huxley
From: ST201026@brownvm.brown.edu (nathan marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: a cure for angst?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:29:23 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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[lots of sine's stuff deleted]

>so relationships and people are just drugs, just ways to dull our
>senses? you mean the fact that there exists a person who understands

Drugs and relationships don't exist on the same level, but in the end, they're
both just ways to pass the time.

>i *refuse* to believe that people are disposable. disappointing

But it's not so much the people as the spaces they fill.  This, I think, is
the solution to the problem "when you stop loving someone, where does that
love go?  did it ever really exist in the first place?"  See "What we talk
about when we talk about love" by Raymond Carver

>but i have a *real* problem with your definition of peace in life as
>lack of angst. i think that that sort of peace would be sort of a
>permanent mind-numbness.

And then you wake up one morning and realize you can't feel anything at all.
*That's* scary.

>religious certainty would be worse than death. hell isn't flames; it's
>thick, soupy fog.

Hell is not feeling anything.  Even when you feel pain, at least you know
you're *alive*.

ObAngst: Yesterday my netnews server was down, and I was terrified that I was
missing out on something *really* important.

 -don't forget the alcohol
 -nathan marsh
 -st201026@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: Angst music
Organization: depressed
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:54:53 GMT

rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel Perkins) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.144712.10356@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:


>>Not having sex and no one wanting to have sex with you are not two independent
>>situations. If nobody wants to have sex with you then it's very likely that
>>you don't have sex (unless you buy it - but that is another issue). If you
>>don't have sex for a time you can easily get the impression that nobody
>>wants to have sex with you, and that is an angstful situation (make a sentence
>>containing the following words 'lonely', 'social' and 'failure').
>>
>i see your point, but that wasn't what i meant. certainly, having no-one want
>to have sex with you likely implies that you don't get sex, but i meant that
>all i really need is the 'wanting' part, not the actual sex part.

But how do you tell for sure if any wanting part is there? 

>  and the 
>very fact that people feel like failures just because they don't get sex
>bothers me. you know, the 'typical' (heh) male who brags about his conquests
>is popular

Is he? I don't like that kind of person (but thats for all the wrong reasons).
-- 
 _______________________ _________________________________
| Jesper Lauridsen      |      Life is a spectator sport  | 
| rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |     I think, therefore I angst  |
|_______________________|_________________________________|
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: I went to work and forgot to dress...(was:Re: epiphany
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:03:08 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Nov5.193113.26948@u.washington.edu> reinstat@byron.u.washington.edu (Robert Reinstatler) writes:
>In article <mhr-011192140728@orcas.slac.stanford.edu> mhr@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu () writes:
>>
>>That sounds like one of my recurring nightmares, and I've been out of
>>graduate school for four years.  Just wanted to give you something to look
>>forward to.  Actually, i've talked to  alot of people who are long out of
>>school and have these sorts of dreams.  Mine often involve trying to find
>>the classroom to take the final but I can't find the room because i haven't
>>been to class since the first day. i suppose freud would have said that

>I graduated in December of 1966 and still have that bad dream.


What is it about this phenomenon?  I have the same dream, with a slight
variation based in reality.  My recurring academic nightmare is that
it's finals week, and I suddenly remember that I've cross-registered at
the university accross town to take some Calculus course.  The only
problem is that...that's right, you guessed it: I haven't gone to class
since the first day.  Not because I was too lazy...just because I
literally _forgot_ about it.   

I've been having this dream on and off since I was in school.  It's four
years later and I still have it.  If the second poster's comments are
any indication of the future, it looks like I could be having this
recurring nightmare for some time to come, eh?  Like maybe the rest of
my life.

At least it's not quite as bad as the one in which you've gone to work
or school and suddenly realize (after you get there) that you _forgot_
to put clothes on.  Anybody else ever have this one, or am I jsut as
abnormal as I suspect? I've told other people about this dream, and
they always deny ever having had similar ones.  I've always suspected
that they did, but were too afraid to admit it.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary L. Schroeder  		|  
schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov         |        It's a pomaceous life. 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  | 
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: smolin@physics.ucla.edu (Smolin)
Subject: Re: Election Day Angst...
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:25:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.204442.14993@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>In article <92309.125940HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.000654.20212@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
>>(Stephen J. Okay) says:
>>
>>>Can we have an Angst Party candidate? The time is now!. If we start now, in
>>>'96 who knows, maybe we can actually get on the ballot!
>>>Nominations anyone?(I nominate Rachel :) ).
>>
>>I second the nomination. I can hear Rachel's headache growing louder from all
>>the way over here in Pennsylvania.
>>
>>Actually, we have to wait a while before we can nominate Rachel - you have to
>>be over 35.  Who does that leave us? I'm still too young, Sine nomine's too
>>young, Nick isn't an american ... oh shit, wait a minute. I *will* be 35 come
>>the next election. Damn. Never mind.  "If elected, I will be depressed ...."
>>
>
>i'm not an american either, so count me out. and you were right about the 
>headache. i have a glorious head cold, so it really helped.  maybe jeff's 
>old enough? i'm not sure...there's always bob...
>
>ObAngst: i have $8 in my bank account, and payday's not 'til next friday.
>bah.
>
I've been talking about running in '96 and so far everyone I have mentioned
it to says they will vote for me (although one guy said he would only vote
for me if I make him secretary of state).  I'll only be 29 in 1996 but I
figure on  getting a constitutional amendment passed to let me run.
Perhaps the amendment can also  simply make me the president effective
immediately.

Smolin-Quayle in '96.  (ok, maybe I'll drop Quayle)
D
John
like lemmings leaving a sinking ship
..
..
[C


Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: monday morning angst poetry
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:01:53


In article <machala.721321131@delphi> machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:

   something to get you angsting:

   "Life is a tale
    told by an idiot
    signifying nothing."
    some guy that starts with an 's'

I *love* to correct quotes:

    Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
    that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
    And then is heard no more:  it is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.

I know this because in high school I had to write a paper
on Faulkner's The Sound and The Fury, and so I looked up
the title.

There's another quote from the same play that applies to
the recent flurry of Dreams:

    Methough I heard a voice cry, "Sleep not more!
    Macbeth doth murder sleep!" the innocent sleep,
    Sleep that knits up the ravell'd sleave of care,
    The death of each day's life, sore labour's bath,
    Balm of hur minds, great natures second course,
    Chief nourisher in life's feast.

That sounds like some false advertising, eh?



--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
From: lginzb@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Lionel Ginzburg)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Angst music
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:42:44 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov4.154541.11777@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (rachel perkins) writes:

>i see your point, but that wasn't what i meant. certainly, having no-one want
>to have sex with you likely implies that you don't get sex, but i meant that
>all i really need is the 'wanting' part, not the actual sex part.  and the 
>very fact that people feel like failures just because they don't get sex
>bothers me. you know, the 'typical' (heh) male who brags about his conquests
>is popular, (even though he never speaks to the women in question again),
>whereas the guy who has a lot of female friends is considered a 'wuss'. i just 
>don't like it, this focus on the act rather than the implications. i don't 
>mean that sex can't be enjoyable just on its own, i just don't like the 
>focus that it is almost always that way. but whatever.

I agree, being a 'wuss.' :)                                             
       
                                                                        
It's far too easy in this society to mistake sex for intimacy.  I've    
been guilty of that on more than one occasion myself.  The problem is,  
the type of people that you speak about aren't capable of knowing the   
difference, and so they blur the line to the point that *you*           
accumulate angst. 

>	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu




-- 
Lionel Artom-Ginzburg
EMail to: Lionel@BWH.Harvard.edu
or, just autoreply.
From: cliffs@gaffa.East.Sun.COM (Cliff Skolnick)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: I went to work and forgot to dress...(was:Re: epiphany
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:00:09 GMT
Organization: SMCC
NNTP-Posting-Host: gaffa.rochester.east.sun.com

In article <1992Nov6.020308.4010@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.193113.26948@u.washington.edu> reinstat@byron.u.washington.edu (Robert Reinstatler) writes:
>>In article <mhr-011192140728@orcas.slac.stanford.edu> mhr@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu () writes:

The late for exam dream is very common.  This was the subject of my first
alt.angst post when this group was just a few weeks old.  Pretty much
everyone agreed that this ddoes not go away, ever.  Hence it is a good
source of angst.

	Cliff
--
Cliff Skolnick | "All in all it seems to me you don't understand subtlety.
cliffs@sun.com | Shall I make it obvious? Do you really want me to make
(716) 385-5049 | it hurt? She walks real slow, like an animal. what am I
I think. I am. | supposed to do?" -- OMD
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: What really happened in Austin : -)
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:43:22 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jesper Lauridsen (rorschak@daimi.aau.dk) wrote:
: lohrbt@rs6205.ecs.rpi.edu (Trevor Wolfgang Lohrbeer) writes:
: 
: >After all, change is what life is all about.
: 
: Is it? Changes can be to the worse.

yeah, so? no one said life was about things being for the better all
the time. life is difficult. it's sposed to be. you get around it by
dealing; then you can feel a little better about it. if it were easy,
it'd be boring.

--
sine | deb
"...it's too late to run like hell. i guess i will tell you 'cause i 
don't like to ask that this one be your last... make this last one
really the last." -- the replacements
From: ST201026@brownvm.brown.edu (nathan marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: chronology of a failing relationship
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:15:48 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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[everyone else's headers etc. deleted]

>>>Cold hard reality time, dude. That isn't a failing relationship, it's a
>>>*failed* relationship.  Bail out now and save yourself from a lot of shit.

Ok, I've also gotten e-mail to this effect.  Some of them also calling me
"dude," which makes me wince because it reminds me of all those no-brain,
muscle-bound surfer-types who infested my high school.

I *knew* it was over.  My point in posting it was not to ask advice, but to
share my angst with others (misery loves company), and perhaps achieve some
kind of catharsis.  So, please, no more "advice" on how to deal with my life.
It's mine, and I intend to make my own mistakes.  I'd much rather hear stories
of similar experiences.

>>From your description it is most certainly over if it ever existed in
>>the first place.  Sounds to me like you should consider yourself lucky
>>to be getting out now istead of being dragged down with her.

I know about getting dragged down by other people, and know it won't happen
here.  However, if her life starts to go to peices, I want to be there as a
*friend* to provide support, because just about the time things get too crazy
and you need someone to lean on, that's the time when all your frends have
deserted you.

>>Tell us: do you really see
>>anything in her, or is it just too painful to deal with the ego-bruising
>>of being "dumped"?

Those nerve endings are long dead by now.  Yes, I do see things in her.
Myself, for example.

>Enough!

I quite agree.

Note on the responses:  Only one woman responded, and was interested mainly in
the way I described things.  Of the men who responded (five or six maybe?),
all but one gave me the advice "get out fast."  I was hoping someone (female?)
might try to *explain* her actions, but no dice.  Go figure.

 -I laughed in the mirror for the first time in a year...
 -nathan marsh
 -st201026@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Subject: Re: monday morning angst poetry
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:42:51 GMT

duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:


>In article <machala.721321131@delphi> machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:

>   something to get you angsting:

>   "Life is a tale
>    told by an idiot
>    signifying nothing."
>    some guy that starts with an 's'

>I *love* to correct quotes:

>    Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
>    that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
>    And then is heard no more:  it is a tale
>    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
>    Signifying nothing.

Thanks. I wanted this quote but was too lazy to go look it up. I *knew*
if I posted a bastardized version _someone_ would correct it. thanks again.
--
              Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Chuck Machala - Semiconductor Process and Design Center - Texas Instruments
From: IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET, , Doom Empress
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: A dream for you analysts out there
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:59:55 GMT
 <1992Nov9.051900.28688@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
Organization: Arizona State University

Maybe it's the full moon this week. I had a dream last night I haven't
had for at least a decade which still scares the shit out of me.
I'm walking along a country road, seemingly out in the middle of nowhere,
the sky is dark and looks like it will open up in a thunderstorm at
any given moment. Suddenly there is a lot of noise, almost like the
sound of a train going by, and it gets very very cold (almost cold enough
where at times I would wake up at this point). The scenery starts to shift
around, not like in a wind storm (or Wizard of Oz) where things start to
blow away, but like an LSD trip, where everything kind of oozes in and out
of place and you try to put it back where it belongs, but you can't. And
connected with this oozing and moving and rushing noise is the cold wind
and I can feel everything around me starting to shift and move, like it
is going to ooze out from under me and there is nothing I can hang on to, so
I duck down into one of the roadside ditches along a cornfield, cover
my head and wait. And then.... nothing happens.

As a psychology major, I should be worried.....


J.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Angst quote
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:56:16 GMT


Hi!  Just thought I'd share one of my all time favorite angst
quotes with all of you...

"Existence, well what does it matter?
 I exist on the best terms I can.
 The past is now part of my future,
 The present is well out of hand."

			- Joy Division
			  "Heart and Soul"

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: reinstat@byron.u.washington.edu (Robert Reinstatler)
Subject: Re: epiphany
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:31:13 GMT

In article <mhr-011192140728@orcas.slac.stanford.edu> mhr@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu () writes:
>
>That sounds like one of my recurring nightmares, and I've been out of
>graduate school for four years.  Just wanted to give you something to look
>forward to.  Actually, i've talked to  alot of people who are long out of
>school and have these sorts of dreams.  Mine often involve trying to find
>the classroom to take the final but I can't find the room because i haven't
>been to class since the first day. i suppose freud would have said that

I graduated in December of 1966 and still have that bad dream.

Bob 

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: smolin@physics.ucla.edu (Smolin)
Subject: Fermilab angst
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:30:02 GMT

Well it looks like I'm going to go on a little trip to Fermilab for about
7 months starting around 2/93.  I could angst on about it for a while but
I am too tired so  I will simply ask if someone can  repost the National
Lab horrors  list or whatever it was called and also if anyone out there
is at Fermilab and can tell me something about the place.  I seem to recall
someone is.  Thanks.

And remember, Smolin in '96.  

John
like lemmings leaving a sinking ship
..