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From: cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole)
Subject: Re: Is Death Becomes Her worth my time?
Organization: MCNC Data Operations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:08:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug3.164054.24750@cbfsb.cb.att.com> colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:
>In article <1992Aug3.142035.25182@rock.concert.net>, cole@concert.net (Derrick C. Cole) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug3.134059.27708@cs.wayne.edu> faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
>> >I am thinking of going to watch "Death Becomes Her" this evening. Could
>> >someone tell me if it would be worth it?
>> 
>> I'm glad I went to the early show instead of playing full price.  But it was
>> ok entertainment, I guess...
>> 
>> Derrick
>
>What does that mean?  I'm glad I paid half price too, $3.50 saved
>is $3.50 earned, but what has that got to do with the picture. It
>was "ok entertainment"?  Well that's what you paid for, right?
>They don't give dishes away any more and if you want a life
>changing experience - don't expect it in the movies.  I enjoyed the
>movie a lot and I wasn't the only guy in the theater laughing my
>head off.  It was very clever, the acting was good, and the bits
>at the end were terrific.  
>
>marc colten

Maybe you should drink decaffinated coffee.

All I meant was that if I'd paid full price for that waste of 2 hours, I would
have been slightly upset.  The ONLY thing that movie had going for it was the
over-used but good special effects (Streep and Hawn added face value, but they
must have really needed the work.)

IMHO,
Derrick

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From: blee@bcarh13d.bnr.ca (Brian Lee)
Subject: Re: Mackenzie Bros. == Waynes World?
Reply-To: blee@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.121748.885@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
> In article <Aug.19.14.36.08.1992.29823@athos.rutgers.edu> trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan) writes:
> >spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
> >
> >>>he's supposed to played Stairway... 
> >
> >>It totally kills the humor.  The original gag was just so incredibly
> >>funny...
> >
> >I don't think so.  I saw the tape with some people who hadn't seen it
> >in the theatres and they laughed just as much as I did originally.
> >The joke was not lost.
> 
> I haven't seen Waynes World but everything I hear makes it sound like a 
> Mackenzie Brothers ripoff. Has anyone who's seen both noticed this?
> 
 
  I have seen both and they are pretty different.  They both fit into
whatever that category is that includes Strange Brew, Waynes World and
Bill & Ted.  Waynes World is funny for a lot of its original stuff.

  There are some similarities since they both are from Canadian 
creative minds (see Canadian Conspiracy; CBC circa 1988). Some of the
jokes in both centre on ice hockey.  

  Waynes World is good but not as good or original as Strange Brew.

Brian

  "Its a jelly !"



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From: scotbri@flower.samsung.com (Scott Brigham, corp)
Subject: Re: Best War Movie
Originator: scotbri@flower
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:18:57 GMT

From article <1992Aug12.173147.18197@brtph560.bnr.ca>, by Jim Rigney:
> Best war movie for aerial combat footage:
> The Blue Max 

Memphis Belle, which came out a year or so ago, has some breathtaking
aerial comabt footage.  The rest of the movie however is pretty dopey.
But it'd be worth renting.  Just fastfoward past the first half of it.
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From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Re: Alan Rudolph (was re:Ultimate Movie Babes)
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:54:31 GMT

	>Never saw that, so I can't really say.  Rudolph directed a
	>crappy film once called _Roadie_ starring Meat Loaf.  So yes,
	>Alan can make a bad film here and there, especially the ones
	>he hired out for early in his career to make a buck.

Alan Rudolph has done his share of cruddy films, IMHO.  The one about
the reincarnated lovers who *have* to find each other in a certain
period of time before it is too late was wretched (thankfully, I have
forgotten the title and much of the film.  It starred Timothy Hutton
and Kelly McGillis, I believe.  Also, the film about the private
detectives entangled in love problems wasn't too hot, although I feel
it could've been much better if Tom Berenger had been replaced.


	>This does not detract from the fact that his more personal
	>films (ie the ones he writes himself) are on the whole
	>astonishing.  They are emotionally gripping without resorting
	>to standard emotion grabbing cliches.  When he does pull out
	>a cliche it's generally to mock it (the gunfight in _Trouble
	>in Mind_).

Exactly.  For my money, Alan Rudolph hits the mark perfectly with
films like _Choose Me_, _The Moderns_, and one of my all-time
favorites, _Trouble In Mind_.  Part of this might have to do with
Keith Carradine, who stars in all three movies.  Although I am not
really a fan of his, I think he perfectly captures the kind of
characters that Alan Rudolph wants to portray.  I also liked the Demi
Moore/Bruce Willis movie that he recently did (I forget the title),
although it was not as stunning as the above three.

Alan Rudolph can certainly make a dull film.  But he has also made
some of my favorite movies.

						.oO Chris Oo.


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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: mel gibson really can
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:54:36 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

DH>>Does anyone know of any other good Gibson movies?
DH>        Definitely rent "Gallipoli", directed by Peter Weir (Dead Poet's
DH>Society).  The movie takes place during WWI.  Mel Gibson and another
DH>actor, I forget the name, become friends because they both run track.

     Also noteworthy for Mel Gibson is "The Year Of Living Dangerously" -
     again directed by Peter Weir.  He puts in a better performance than
     Sigourney Weaver in this one (she must have had an off-day).  Gibson
     was enjoyable to watch when he starred with Michelle Pfeiffer (meow!)
     in "Tequila Sunrise," but unfortunately the plot to that one was
     pretty silly.  It was a case of the stars rising above the flimsy
     script.
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From: smmat@ukc.ac.uk (S.M.M.Al-Taher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: *GREAT MOVIE ACTORS*
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:39:12 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

How about:

Robert De Niro
Al Pacino
Antony Hopkins
Robert Redford
Jack Nicholson
Alan Rickman
Spike Lee
 
to name a few...
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From: tomw@orac.esd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Unforgiven (Was Re: Unforgivable)  ***SPOILERS***
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:58:01 GMT
	<1992Aug17.101831.691@calmasd.prime.com> <Bt5Kzo.1Js@news.udel.edu>
Reply-To: tomw@esd.sgi.com
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.

In article <Bt5Kzo.1Js@news.udel.edu>, bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams) writes:

> And of course, in the end, he gets the girl (the film amazed over the fact
> that a girl could fall for a cold-hearted mercilous killer like William
> Munny), proving conclusively that he was, in the end, the good guy, even if
> we did have our little doubts for a while there...

Gee, you obviously didn't see the same film I did.  Just exactly what
girl did he get?  I clearly remember him riding out of town alone.

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warmth  -- Jackie Chan       |                  tomw@bears.ucsb.edu
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From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:47:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug19.154857.13376@cco.caltech.edu>, thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer) writes...

> 
>The following is taken from ABORIGNAL SCIENCE FICTION's Fall 1992 issue,
>page 75:
> 
>          "Reported in PUBLISHERS WEEKLY for June 1st: TriStar Pictures,
>     on behalf of Roven-Cavallo Entertainment, has purchased the rights
>     to Isaac Asimov's FOUNDATION trilogy.  The agreement states that the
>     company can produce one theatrical release using materials from
>     FOUNDATION, FOUNDATION AND EMPIRE, and SECOND FOUNDATION.  Also
>     included in the contract is an option on the additional movels
>     PRELUDE TO FOUNDATION, FOUNDATION'S EDGE, FOUNDATION AND EARTH, and
>     the forthcoming FORWARD THE FOUNDATION, plotted but only partially
>     written at the time of Dr. Asimov's recent passing.  The overall
>     agreement includes TV rights,  merchandising, video games, and a
>     possible sequel."
> 
>Anybody else heard anything of this?

I'm not sure about this latest bit of Foundation info, but I know that a
studio (Universal I seem to recall) was making the Foundation movies in
collaboration with Ike himself (around the mid 70's?).  If I remember 
correctly, they were working on making all three movies simultaneously 
to save money and achieve consistancy, but for some reason the 
project was abandoned after quite a bit of money and effort.

I've often dreamed of the day that they would do these books into movies,
although I recently came to fear that they may get the same treatment as
Dune and prove unsatisfactory.  I also wondered what kind of movies they
would make.  Seeing as the Foundation novels do not have the action of 
Star Wars/Star Trek movies (nor the simplicity of plot), what audience 
would it attract other than us Asimov/Foundation addicts?

But while we are dreaming, let's conjure up a cast of characters to play
some of the roles.  Here are some of my picks:

Gaal Dornick		Charlie Sheen
Hari Selden 		Alec Guiness	(2nd choice Max von Sydow)
					(3rd choice Vincent Price)
					(4th choice George C. Scott)
Salvor Hardin		Deryk Jacobi 	(2nd choice Kenneth Brannagh)
					(3rd choice Harrison Ford)
Hober Mallow		Brian Denahy
Mule			John Hurt
Mule's Capt		Ian Holm	(2nd choice Tim Robbins)
Arcadia			The girl who played Newt in Aliens
Arcadia's Mom		Mariel Hemingway
Arcadia's Dad		Jeff Daniels
The Scholar who		Leo Mckern
 fights the mule
 with Arcadia's
 Mom


I can't remember all the character's names, so I'll have to do
another posting.

Ron
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From: rider@geloser.CAM.ORG (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:49:30 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer) writes:

> This may mean nothing in the long run, but I just ran across this and I
> thought I'd toss it out onto the net for reactions.  Anybody know anything
> about this?
> 
> The following is taken from ABORIGNAL SCIENCE FICTION's Fall 1992 issue,
> page 75:
> 
>           "Reported in PUBLISHERS WEEKLY for June 1st: TriStar Pictures,
>      on behalf of Roven-Cavallo Entertainment, has purchased the rights
>      to Isaac Asimov's FOUNDATION trilogy.  The agreement states that the
[rest deleted]

To me, ANY trilogies, or even for that matter big novel, should NOT BE
PUT IN MOVIE! Make it as a long miniseries (not SF related but one of
the best adaptation to the screen [ok TV] of a novel that comes to mind
was Shogun). Too much get lost in the cutting that as to be accomplish
to make it in 2 hour. Just look at the movie theater version of Dune,
total crap IMHO (I haven't seen the director cuts version of 4 hour wich
one of my friend said make much more sense).


See You around the 'Net!!

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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Mia and Woody
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:40:34 GMT

Well, it looks like it's over.  They've just started custody battles
for the kids.


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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What do you call YOUR remote?
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:34:08 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <8059@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp) writes:
>The TV Guide has an article this week about "zapping".
>In other words, channel scanning. 
>At our house we call our remote "the clicker".  Hand
>me "the clicker" is lots quicker than saying, "hand
>me the remote control", don't you think??   Hah!
>
>  

Actually, I call mine Bob.
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Firght Night (was re: Dracula)
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:56:47 GMT

In article <2723@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary  
Bradley) writes:

> P.S. For 'Hollywood' read any source of cinematic vampires.

For an interesting discussion (but fairly highbrow in parts) of Vampires  
and the Undead in film and literature, check out a book called "The Living  
and the Undead", published by the University of Illinois Press. I happened  
to design the dustjacket for it many years ago which is why I know of it.  
Author's name escapes me at the moment, but he goes into great detail  
comparing Stoker's novel to films made since. Also talks about Romero's  
movies.

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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:21:43 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

In article <2716@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
>
>   I don't get this. Vlad the Impaler and Count Dracula have absolutely
>no connection between them at all, except (possibly) christian names.
>Why do their names keep appearing together? Why is Vlad the Impaler
>relevant to "Bram Stoker's Dracula". VtI is fact, Dracula is inspired
>fiction, that's all.

	Vlad the Impaler was a Romanian count who was reknowned for his fierce
resistance to Islamic invaders, building lots and lots of churches, and using
a particular form of execution, perhaps to excess.  His father, also named 
Vlad, was honored by a Germanic order of knights with the Order of the Dragon,
 and could then be called Vlad the Dragon, or, in the local language, Vlad 
Dracul.  Thus, his son and heir could then be called (and was) Vlad Dracula.
Vlad Dracula, the bloodthirsty (figuratively) count, was the inspiration for
the villain of Bram Stoker's novel.

>| Gary Bradley        |   "You receive a love letter from me and |
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prunes than rhubarb does."              -Groucho Marx 

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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:08:32 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

In article <hartley-070892113133@140.239.12.108> hartley@centerline.com (Timm Hartley) writes:
> Just the fact that he was able to get a fairly low key performance from
>Divine in male drag is quite a feat. 

You realize that Divine was a man, don't you? 

Michael

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                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REBECCA
Summary: who was rebecca
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:39:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <15131@suns4.crosfield.co.uk>, pdg@crosfield.co.uk (paul goffin) writes:
> In article <161fdiINN9da@agate.berkeley.edu> samlee@ocf.berkeley.edu (Sam Lee) writes:
> [stuff about REBECCA being a good film deleted]
> 
> Yes, it was a good film wasn't it?
> 
> Thing is I can't remember who played the title role:-)
> 
> Ideas anyone?    (  :-) :-) )
> 

I always suspected that it was really Vivien Leigh.  I mean, back
there in the back of everyone's brain - especially Olivier's.

marc colten
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From: rm34@ellis.uchicago.edu (Robert James Mohammed Monk)
Subject: Re: list of alan rudolph films?
Reply-To: rm34@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Media Maven
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:38:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.175805.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>there was some talk about Alan Rudolph a while back. Would anyone be so 
>kind as to list his films?   One is his mold but I'm not sure if he did it 
>was Ruben, Ruben with tom conti and kelly mcgillis.

Yes, that was a good one, though no, AR didn't do it.  (Read the book by Peter
DeVries if you want more of the story.)

Here's the list my memory is providing me of movies directed by Rudolph:

Roadie
Remember My Name
Songwriter
Welcome to LA
Choose Me
Trouble in Mind
Made in Heaven
The Moderns
Love at Large
Mortal Thoughts

Someone on here also mentioned something called _Head_ which they didn't seem
to care much for (I can't imagine they meant the Monkees movie-- I don't think 
Rudolph was even working for Robert Altman yet when that was made, much less
directing his own films).  I haven't seen or heard of it, so I don't know.

Not all of the above are terrific films, as we've discussed, but the best of 
them are among the best American films made in the last fifteen years.  By my
watch we're about due for a new Rudolph film, esp since Mortal Thoughts was a 
relative hit.

Brother Robert, resident Alan Rudolph fanatic
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Manon of the Spring (was something really stupid)
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:24:58 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <dogar.714172411@opal4>, dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes...

} Also, some film titles are translated in the U.K.
} Eg. One film title translated from American to whatever language it is
} that they speak in the U.K. is "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles." :-)

Quite right. When I was in London two years ago, I did a double-take when
I realized that the t-shirts I was seeing for sale actually said "Teenage
Mutant HERO Turtles", rather than "...Ninja...".

I guess in the UK, ninjas are not considered positive role models. :-)

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	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

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From: trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Is "Delicatessen" out in the US yet ?
Keywords: Delicatessen
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:26:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Yes, it's been here for a few weeks now.  I saw it at a theatre in
Philadelphia three or four weeks ago.

Very funny.  My friend thought the casting was perfect.
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:18:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <2674@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
     
>BUT...the terminator we see infiltrate the rebels in T1 does NOT look
>like Arnold at all (the one that massacres the humans in the bunker).
>This is something I always thought was a glitch in T2. We know that the
>reason Terminators were so useful to Skynet was because they looked 
>human and so could infiltrate secret rebel strongholds (Reese says
>something about this in T1) - well if that's the case it would be really
>stupid to manufacture them all to look like Arnold wouldn't it ("Oh
>look, guys, there's another one of those Arnold cyborg things - let's
>toast it!"). Really the only sensible thing is to make All Terminators
>appear different. I mean if you saw Arnold ONCE and had a lot of
>trouble, you would NOT forget that face, right?

OK.  Here's how I think of it:

You can't have all the Terminators look alike.  While it's true that
most of your Terminators' victims wouldn't live to tell what they looked
like, some will get away, so you can't have all the Ts look the same.

You also can't have everyone different.  Why?  Purely from a feasiblity
standpoint.  Remember the Guns 'N' Roses video for "You Could Be Mine"?
In it, they show the Terminators being built, and they skin is applied
in a mold.  Now, I know that this is hardly canon, but it's the best
explanation we've gotten.  If a mold is used, it's not very feasible to
have to build a new one for each Terminator.

So, you have to have a compromise.  Make enough different ones that
the odds that one person would live to see two from the same mold is
very unlikely, yet have enough similar ones that you don't need 1000
different molds.

In the book T2 (again, not canon, but it's the best we have), they
say that the Terminators are made in batches of ten.  That, to me,
seems like a good compromise.


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