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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE '93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:21:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <93021.094513U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>What I meant was that I was Catholic by birth.  I just go to church
>every Sunday simply because it's a habit, and besides what else is
>there to do on Sunday morning.

Laundry.

--MikE...well, that's when I do mine.

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From: sherman@leconte.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:14:56 GMT

In article <C16yKJ.IHI@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>etc, etc.

Lots of people draw themselves, but you know it's them.  E.g., Colin Upton,
Scott Russo, Roberta Gregory, Terry LaBan, Chester Brown.  Los Bros
Hernandez draw themselves frequently.  But those aren't surprising.

But, here are a couple of other interesting ones that aren't so obvious:

Dave McKean drew himself into _Signal to Noise_ as the filmmaker's artist
friend Reed.

Jon J. Muth drew himself as the unnamed man in "Statues in the Rain", the
second part of _The Mythology of an Abandoned City_.  (btw, "Statues in
the Rain" continues Muth's tradition of using Blue Nile lyrics as titles,
which I've ranted about before.)

Also, I've always thought that Matt Wagner looks like Kevin Matchstick,
especially as drawn in the first few issues of "Mage," but then again I
could be wrong.
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From: watts@csa2.lbl.gov (Paul Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:44 PST
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In article <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>  influence this could have on impressionable
>  young minds.

Boy, I hope so.  Anything to make readers aware of the fact that a benign,
medically useful, non-addictive substance is illegal, while health-threatening
addictive shit like alcohol and nicotine are legal.

Getting off my soapbox and back to the matter at hand, does anyone know what
Nigel's talking about with " 's the cardboard bit at the end's the tricky
bit...apparently they don't do that in America..."?  I've always used nice
crisp dollar bills.  Maybe someone out there from the British Isles can clear
this up.

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From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan)
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:34:01 GMT

rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
|> I've gotta go with this.  No other comic I've read has even close to
|> the "humor density" as What's New? With Phil and Dixie, Vol 1.
|> 
|> Other good ones:
|> 	Groo
|> 	Buck Godot
|> 	Slapstick
|> 	Cerebus (not all the time, but...)

Of those, I've only read Cerebus and Groo.  Personally, I don't care for
Groo, but I have to say that the first issue of Melmoth in Cerebus is the
funniest single comic book I've ever read.  My other votes go to:

	Sam and Max: Freelance Police (in all its forms)
	The Shadow (the Helfer and Baker run)

Chuck

-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
"Holy jumping Mother O'God in a side-car with chocolate jimmies and a
 lobster bib!  WE'RE ON OUR WAY!"
					-- Sam & Max, freelance police
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From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 40
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:16:01 GMT

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>
>
>> sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin) writes:
>
>>|> Actually, it really ought to be:
>>|> MOTHER -- Eve
>>|> MAIDEN -- The first Eve (The nameless)
>>|> CRONE -- Lilith
>>|> 
>>|> Opinions?
>
>>Nope. Nameless "died" in Metal Men.
>
>>;)
>
>Mike, you've completely confused me, you know that?
>Didn't your mother ever tell you it's not nice to
>confuse people, especially young, single college coeds?

I'm not sure that it was mom who asked me not to confuse people, but
it definitely is not her advice about young, single college coeds 
that I keep in mind from day-to-day.

>You don't get to date as often if you do.

*OUCH* Of course, I've found confusing people to be an entirely
appropriate behaviour pattern, especially in a 'dating' situation.
You get all the benefits (good conversation, free drinks, company,
etc.) but you have already provided the 'date' with a perfect
excuse for being able to still look you in the eye after the two
of you grow tired with each other..."He's sooo confusing...."

For more of my confusing thoughts on love and life, just 'finger'
my account ;)

(ps Thanks Tom for the Nameless story!)
--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Regarding Future Imperfect
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:03:05 GMT

In article <C17poz.AtB@news.ucs.mun.ca> cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir) writes:
>       Future Imperfect, Future Imperfect, that's all I see on this
>group lately. All it was was a story about the future where the Hulk has
>mellowed out after many years, calling himself the Maestro. Oh yeah, he
>has control over the world, or something of that nature. The Hulk of
>Present Day is enlisted to overthrow himself in the future, as the
>Maestro has taken care of all the superheroes. I think this is what it
>is about, I personally haven't read it...help me out, net people. Am I
>wrong or not?

Well, yes and no. Right now,  ("now" being "I haven't right FI #2 yet")
FUTURE IMPERFECT seems to be one of the best Hulk stories that has come
down the pike from Peter David (with the Hulk's merger running a close
second).

The Maestro isn't the Hulk "mellowed out"; if anything, he's gotten more
intense over the years. After two nuclear wars, the Hulk is the only
person who has the brains and the means to build a post-holocaust city for
him and his chosen few to live in. He becomes the Maestro, and is a
tyrannical warlord in this future.

Rick Jones, who is about the only person left over from the 20th century
(and he is _old_, man) and his band of rebels bring the present-day Hulk
to the 21st century to help bring down the Maestro.

What's really interesting is that the Maestro is in many ways, the "dark
side" of the new Hulk. He has Banner's intelligence, but his personality
seems more suited to that of the gray Hulk. (PAD has hinted several times
that the merger as it is may not be permanent or stable...) I hope PAD
pulls off the inevitable fight scene in FI #2 well.

And yes, Rick Jones has a trophy room with the remains of most of Marvel's
most powerful/most popular heroes (Wolverine's skeleton, Iron Man's armor,
Captain America's shield, wreckage from Silver Surfer's surfboard, etc.)
as well as some visual gags (the Phoenix "DEAD...AGAIN!" poster, the
bottle-city of Kandor, Crow from MST3000, plus vases of ashes with
interesting tags)

I like Perez's work of FUTURE IMPERFECT... as good as his stuff on
INFINITY GAUNTLET (with the added bonus of having the real Hulk, not some
carbon-copy personality that Jim Starlin wrote...didn't he know about the
merger?)

Jay (=
--
   John W. "Jay" Elmore Jr. (=            Email: johnel@linfield.edu
  "Doctor Banner, I presume." -- Maestro to the Hulk, FUTURE IMPERFECT #1
  "Doctor Banner, I presume." -- Hulk to the Maestro, FUTURE IMPERFECT #1
                        ###KEEP CIRCULATING THE TAPES###
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD books this week (Hulk, X-Factor)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 04:03:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1993Jan22.094731.1@skcla.monsanto.com> <C1AqM3.4qH@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
  <1js1amINN1qu@bigboote.WPI.EDU>

The Juggernaut's helmet is indeed "magic" in that it protects him from
any *psionic* attack.  That goes all the way back to his first appearance,
when they finally managed to stop him by Spider-Man teaming with the X-Men
to help rip his helmet off, at which point Prof. X put him down for the
count with a mental blast.

But there's nothing in any sort I've ever read that indicates it should be
impervious to Vision's power.

PAD
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: The New Titans
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:40:11 GMT

David.Rapp@launchpad.unc.edu (David Rapp):
>Can someone please post or send me a summary of what has happened
>in the New Titans. I picked up 94 and 95, but I'm almost completely lost.

You have to have been reading NT for the past year to know how funny
that question is.  

Briefly, they spent a year getting killed off, except that the only
one who is sincerely dead is Golden Eagle.  Cyborg is alive, but
mindless.  Red Star (who is a Titan by virtue of the principal that
anyone who hangs around long enough counts as a member) just took
him to Russia, but it turned out to be a Plot.  The Titans have
just been run out of Manhattan, where they are being blamed for
every bit of damage which has ever appeared in their comic book and
being sued for hundreds of millions of dollars.  They're fighting
back by marketing cute Titan Toys, Titan cartoons, and similar
byproducts, which might bring in some good PR, and might bring in
enough money to settle the lawsuits.  Donna has given up her powers,
and will probably be moving to the new title -- Team Titans.
Raven is now Dark Raven (again).  Danny Chase is supposed to have
been killed (one of the few good things to happen to the Titans),
but he seems to be back as part of a telekinetic ghost character
named Phantasm...

"I'm not making this up, you know!"

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
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From: jdelacr@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Jorge DeLaCruz)
Subject: Re: Scourge Hit List
Organization: The Great Beyond
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:27:25 GMT

In article <C1G8K6.Bpn@ns1.nodak.edu> shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson) writes:
>Hammer     NOTE: Don't remember qhich is which but the Black one is the one
>Anvil            the other Died from a Feedback (or something) don't know if
                  both should count.

   the one's below were killed in the Bar with No Name
>Bird-Man II
>Turner D. Century
>Cheetah
>Commader Kraken
>Cyclone
>Firebrand
>Grappler
>Hellrazor
>Hijacker
>Jaguar
>Letha
>Mindwave
>Mirage
>Rapier
>Ringer
>Shellshock
>Streeplejack II (who remembers the first?)
>Vamp


>
> Scourges' first appearance is Iron Man #194, the death of the 
>first Scourge was Cap. America #320.  Scourge has been shown as 
>a henchman of the Red Skull in Cap America recently. 

   Also include Black Abbot (?), Lionfang (?) and Wrench (?, Probably not the
   Thunderider).  Scourge II was Killed by the Red Skull for Failing to Kill
   Steelwind, Gamecock, and the Shocker.  

   Others who escaped: Constrictor, saved by Captain America. Power Broker, 
   Scourge I let him go cause his current condition is worse than Death.

					Jorge
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:01:57 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
 <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Jan23.214426.13044@udel.edu>

In article <1993Jan23.214426.13044@udel.edu>, lintz@balin.cis.udel.edu (Brian
Lintz) says:
>
>In article <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>>  influence this could have on impressionable
>>  young minds.
>
>Are you saying you have a problem with the marijuana,
>but not with the alcohol? Despite the legal status of
>both substances, overall alcohol is worse than marijuana.

  Says who? For years I've listened to potheads trying to
 convince people of this, but I'm not convinced.  I think
 marijuana has much more serious effects on your brain
 chemistry.  But I guess that's not important for some
 people.  However, it is for me, because I like to be able
 to use higher-order thinking skills on a regular basis.
 I know plenty of people who drink a lot but still manage
 to get good grades and accomplish stuff.  On the other
 hand, most pot users I know have really fucked their
 lives up because of pot.  Some of them have tried to
 quit because they knew it was making them stupid.
 By the way, it stays in your system a lot longer than
 alcohol, and you can stay screwed up for a long time.

  Oh, and didn't anybody out there learn anything
 from "Dangerous Habits"? Hint, hint?

  I just don't see anything behind the legalization movement
 besides a desire to get high.

>Besides, this is a mature readers comic. Technically,
>impressionable young minds shouldn't be reading it anyway.
>
>Brian Lintz
>lintz@udel.edu
From: andrew@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: MIRACLEMAN 3D
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:28:51 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

I picked up a copy of Miracleman 3D #1 from Eclipse the other day at a
car boot sale. It's dated 1985 and so I consider it a bit of a find, complete
with 3D glasses!! I have been following the Miracleman saga mainly through
TPBs, so I have been unaware to any spinoff books such as a 3D series.

Anyway, I was wondering if there were any Miracleman
afficionados out there who could tell me how many were actually published in 
the 3D series? Usually, there's some indication in the book of how many are
planned but I haven't spotted it so far.

cheers,
Andy W


-- 
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From: mikecap@omar.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - Bring on the C's
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:28:30 GMT
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In article <1993Jan25.133711.22757@isunix.cdx.mot.com> Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) writes:
>After following the recent 'flip side to the Endless", I thought it would be
>interesting to come up with the alternate names for the Endless, given what
>we've seen so far...
>
>Destruction - Creation or Change (from all over Brief Lives)
>Death       - Conception         (present at every birth?)
>Destiny     - Choice             (not pre-ordained? I get to choose?)
>Dream       - Consciousness (sic?) (all right..I'm stretching)
>Delirium    - Control            (I think I just snapped)

Very cool....

Let's see..  

Despair      - Confidence  (all right, leave me alone!)
Desire       - Contempt!  (it took me awhile to get this one!)

Mike C.  (Zen)
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Bring back Superboy (was: IS Superman dead?)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:38:59 GMT

wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare):
>I think they should...create a new Superboy character...
>My vote would be for an upstanding middle-class black kid.  American Indian
>or hispanic would be equally interesting...

Interesting to whom?  Not most readers, I suspect:  Marvel and DC keep
trying to introduce titles with black (or other visible minority) leads,
and they keep folding for lack of buyer support.  (Yes, the fact that 
most of them have been badly written contributes -- but so have most
comics with white superheroes.)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.


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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: LJC in a smoky old pub (was Re: Very Few Death #1 comments)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 05:05:21 GMT

lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Gary Glenner) writes:

>>
>>Getting back to the subject at hand:
>>	If you recall "Men of Good Fortune", the first appearance ever of
>>	LJC *is* in a smoky old pub.

>Yeah, but as I recall, she had a specific reason in mind ...  

>I'm sure such establishments were relatively unused to Ladies checkin'
>out their wares...  Not that she was always recognized as such :),
>still I'd expect wine and brandy, rather than beer, eh?  (Oh no!  I've
>been infected with Hoser's Syndrome!)

Actually, the beginning of this post has gone away.
SO I shall make my little liquor list up right here:

Bailey's on the rocks
Whiskey (only in tea and coffee)
brandy
sweet german wine
Mulled/spiced wine
mead
woodpecker cider (or any hard cider)
kalua (usually in coffee, or a white russian)
vodka (only with sweppes lemon, or good old fashioned american orange juice)
Brandy Alexanders are nice.
For that matter, peach brandy is lovely.

I will admit that a pint of bitters every now and again can be tollerated, 
but I still have little use for beer and ale.



LJC, who really isn't that heavy a drinker, honest.
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
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From: modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall)
Subject: Squadron Supreme
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:30:30 GMT

actually, the Squadron Supreme was an old old alternate
Earth idea from way back... it started in the avengers around
issue 90, when they do a cross dimensional jaunt to find that
several villans from their dimension actually make up the
moral equivalent of the avengers in this one... they popped up
now and then, including a big cross-over in Defenders which
prepped the way for the miniseries... the Overmind had taken
over the squadron's planet by possessing President Kyle (Nighthawk)

actually, i remember at the time they were just launching the
New Universe line, and rumor had it that the Squadron was supposed
to figure prominently in it, but DC threatened a lawsuit... a limited
series for the Squad was okay, but an ongoing series was too much...
that's how we ended up with DP7 and Star Brandy

-mark
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:45:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan22.220652.8741@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>
>> 2) The references to change are getting kind of heavy handed.  "Cooking
>> is one of the fine arts."  Art = Change = Destruction?
>
>Art = Creation.  Destruction tries to distance himself from his realm,
>so he spends his time in Creative endeavours.  He's terrible at it,
>as you would expect from the anthropomorphic representation of "destruction".
>
>[Aside:  When I read that line about cooking being a creative art, my
> first thought was "No wonder he's lost so much weight..."]

Hmmm.... Can Destruction destroy himself?
Is it wise to seek Destruction (as Dream and Delerium have done - and changed
for it - Perhaps destruction is merely change)


-- 
"1. One Mind there is; but under it two principles contend.       
 2. The Mind lets in the light, then the dark, in interaction; so time is gen-
 erated.  At the end Mind awards victory to the light; time ceases and the Mind
 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
From: 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon)
Subject: Re: PAD books this week (Hulk, X-Factor)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:41:15 GMT

rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:

>In article <74259@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>> The Juggernaut's helmet is indeed "magic" in that it protects him from
>> any *psionic* attack.  That goes all the way back to his first appearance,
>> when they finally managed to stop him by Spider-Man teaming with the X-Men
>> to help rip his helmet off, at which point Prof. X put him down for the
>> count with a mental blast.

>Not any more...

>In Excalibur #3, Rachel takes Juggie down with a mental blast.
>Of course, she WAS (is?) Phoenix, and so was quite a bit higher
>up the power scale than Xavier.

Well,
    I'd advise you to take a look at Excalibur #3 again. I am just about  
*POSITIVE* that Jugs isn't wearing his helmet in that issue.....

DMK

--
"Let the foils be brought, the gentlemen willing, and the King hold his
purpose; I will win for him if I can; If not, I will gain nothing but my
shame, and the odd hits." - Puck quoting Shakespeare in The Crossing Line

Dwayne MacKinnon, 910252m@Dragon.acadiau.ca, Acadia University, Wolfville,
Nova Scotia, Canada.

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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: Sandman thoughts!!!
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:20:12 GMT

someone at UIC says:
> By the same token, are there any atheists out there who read Sandman?

Yes.  Surely hundreds, if not thousands.

> How do you feel about Gaiman "espousing" the existence of a supreme
> god-like being by implication.

The same as we feel about his espousing the existence of talking hedgepigs?

     -dp-