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From: 177wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM NO LONGER #1?
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:55:08 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1993Jan22.213633.16890@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> 
> 	Apparantly Microsoft has bypassed IBM and has become the largest 
> retailer of computer products (RE: CNN last night).
> 
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	That is pretty vague.  IBM sells BILLIONS of dollars in hardware.
Now, MS might sell more PC software than IBM now but I and I think many
of us would consider hardware a computer product...

					-Brad



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From: marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold)
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams speaks
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:45:22 GMT

I just realized the significance of Bill Clinton becoming the 42nd
President of the United States.

42...
forty-two...
FORTY-TWO!?!?
Ohmigosh, do you know what this means?

[DON'T PANIC] <-- (provided for your convenience in large, friendly letters)
Bill Clinton is NOT the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
It's only a book... right?!?

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:40:17 GMT
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Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
: >
: > Really?  So how come I can use "cd .." to up a directory level on both DOS
: > and UNIX, but not on an Amiga?  Who's doing things backwards here?
:
: Because  CD  /  is  ever so slightly faster to type.
:

Maybe, but how then do you go to the root directory?  Whatever it is, it's
another way that AmigaOS is inconsistent with UNIX.

:
: Having to type \'s is more  difficult  than /'s.
:

Why?  Does it take more than one stroke to produce a backslash?

:
: And the "cd .." thing is easy to fix, by simply
: adding  a  different  cd  command -- trying to "fix" the "\" thing would be
: impossible since its so deeply rooted into the system.
:

Really?  Then how come PolyShell does just that (lets you use '/' in MS-DOS)?
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: DSP Module
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:16:51 GMT

In article <C1Dwuy.119@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
(David Connors) writes:

>Unfortunately it appears that commodore's DSP support is going to be quite
>lame. That is, the software (their libraries) will only work with the CBM
>dsp board so third parties are out of the picture.

This has yet to be seen, but I would imagine that third-party emphasis
will be on the personality card extensions, as opposed to the processor
configuration. If the module does indeed use the AT&T chip, I see no
reason why similar cards couldn't be produced by other developers.

As for library support, it's well known that many developers have
been anticipating the release of a DSP module since the A3000+
prototype.

>Personally, this doesn't bother that much, but I would like someone how
>knows about these personality boards to tell me if you're limited to
>one at a time or not - AND if CBM's bringing out a DSP board
>for the 1200 (VERY important in light of the falcon)

From what I understand, multiple personality cards could potentially
be within one system, just not active at any one time. The A1200
query is a good one.

>Affordable graphics boards (of a reasonable speed) shouldn't be too far behind
>that either.

Let's hope so.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:12:57 GMT

In article <C1FJ0n.E07@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

< Marc and Tim's earlier comments deleted >

>   The introduction of an '030 A4000 and an A4000T would not solve the 
>problem as I stated it above.  An A4000 with a full '030 would obviously 
>be more expensive than an A4000 with the EC030, and the A4000T would be

So you know the price already, eh?  What will you do if the EC030 model
comes in around $1200?  

>more expensive still.  If there is a hole in Commodore's product line 
>between the A1200 and the A4000 with EC030, introducing full '030 and

Sorry Marc, but they've not officially discontinued the A3000...

>tower models obviously would not fill that hole.  Commodore basically needs
>to introduce a new 'A1200' with '030 and detached keyboard, and not more
>A4000s, if they want to fill that gaping hole in their product line.

Marc, haven't you figured it out yet?  Commodore is very aware of what you
want in an Amiga and they are purposely not producing such a machine in the
sincere hope that you will go away.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>-------------------------------------------------------------
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>                              - Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes)

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From: S_SCHMIDT_S@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (schmidt stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Computer in `93
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:52:36 GMT
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
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Just one thing about computers in the year : 1 9 9 3

This morning I was forced to use MS-DOS 5.0 to get some Fish disks
with ftp. (Where can I get Fish 801-810 ??). I had to format the disks
I brought with me ... so ... there is no multitasking on a computer
called AT ... (I like cli`s ... I also did like cp/m) so I had to
get another AT ... just one for ftp and another for formating my disks
... REAL multiprocessing ... (maybe I`m a bit fastidious using to shells
on my workbench ...)


       Stephan Schmidt
       (There is no OS/2 installed here .. so don`t mention I should
        use OS/2)
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 23 Jan 1993 03:34:41 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
Distribution: world
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jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Why?  At least it's consistent -- "\" is the directory separator, and "\"
>by itself is the root directory.  The Amiga version is all screwed up, IMHO.
>Just because it's different, that doesn't mean that it's stupid.  I suppose
>you think that VMS's Drive:[dir.dir.dir]file.ext is also stupid?

  Than what purpose does the ':' serve?  On the Amiga it relates to the root
of the current drive, what could be more intuitive than that?  

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: exodus
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:36:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.4477.38001@dosgate>, "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:

|>  Amiga users say they aren't going to purchase software because it's not good
|> enough. And Amiga developers say they can't afford to improve programs because
|> no one is buying them.
|>  
|>  How do you correct this problem? Buy Software. Purchasing software improves
|> your computer investment. It allows software companies to spend more on 
|> research, which helps sell more computers!

Bravo! I can only echo this statement...

A long, long time ago, when my hair was thicker and my wallet was fatter, I
purchased version 1.3 of Professional Page for something like $170. At the time
it was a "GOOD" program, and worth every penny - especially for the 2.0 upgrade
I bought soon after, when the company decided that enough people had bought the
program to justify significant improvements. To my surprise, a free version of
2.1 arrived just months later, proving that Gold Disk does anything but sit 
around all day. Now, over $400 poorer and a proud owner of Professional Page
version 3.0, I can gladly say that I'd spend every penny all over again. They
just asked me to spend another $75 to upgrade to version 4.0, which adds AGA
support and a lot of new tools to better integrate your work - a paint program,
a new spell-checker (finally!!) to go with the new&improved (?) Article Editor,
etc...

So, the upshot of all this is that ProPage 4.0 will have cost me just under
$500, and I still feel I got a bargain.

			"Keep developers developing,
			 Spread the word, not the disk."

(And while you're at it, write a new slogan for the anti-piracy campaign...)

PLEEZE?

8)

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:02:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.004431.1490@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.164416.38648@camaro.uucp> ibennett@camaro.uucp (Iain Bennett) writes:
>
>It could not be that Amiga users cannot afford to _not_ be familiar with PCs?

This is true - I earn my living supporting PCs, so I certainly can't afford to
not be familiar with them.

>>To back you up, Commodore users want to know what is happening at other 
>>"camps" so we can laugh at what IBM has done that Commodore has already
>>implemented.
>
>Okay, they laugh. SO?  Their goddamn laughing doesn't sell Amigas.

It makes us feel good, but.

>> __/// ibennett@camaro.uucp  ibennett@nyx.cs.du.edu
>-- 
>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu

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Currently residing in Mareeba, Far North Queensland, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:56:15 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan22.075242.21390@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matthew Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: : Hmm lets see, it probably takes 8 hours to recharge the damn car after
: : 8 hours of use, while it takes about 2-3 minutes to refill a gastank after
: : about a week of use... which would you choose?  ("Though I could probably
: : use a good ass-kicking, I think I'll go with option B")  I'll go for 0-60
: : in less that 2 days, and a reasonable time between refueling/recharging...
: I don't remember the number, it was some freakish currency, like
: pounds or something.  ;)
: 1) Electric automobiles would not necessarily be "engine wimps" that
: couldn't accelerate, and you could get quite a bit of torque out of an
: electric engine, if you wanted to.
: 2) The recharge time is a function of our current battery technology,
: which, like everything else, will hopefully get better.

But hell, lets switch to electric now!  The technology sucks at the moment,
but hey!  it's _hopefully_ gonna get better!

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There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off products one
develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips who wouldn't pay for
software if it came out of the monitor and blew them. - Marc Wandschneider
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: urjlew@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Rostyk Lewyckyj)
Subject: Re: new machine sales
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:56:58 GMT

The best form of advertising would be superioir performance of their
products: 
Hardware: no funny problems with off center screens, wide choice of 
monitors, no overheating problems, no fans installed backwards, etc.
Software/documentation: timely documentation available for current
operating system releases. Not publication just before the next
version is being released.
Service: Warantee service provided as promised. Service parts
available without hassles.
  
Anyways this should be in advocacy. 
--Rostyk
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:09:25 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmger!peterk@cbmvax.commodore.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1993Jan27.152832.1261@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: [Andy built a BridgeBoard...]
>
>Yes, it's an impressive effort, that no doubt MANY people worked on.
                                               ^^^^
No, not so many. That's an advantage as well as a disadvantage: You can't
get development sooo fast with few people, but what is done is much better,
because you don't suffer of so many interfacing problems between the work
of different people. This again speeds up the work, in that you don't
need so much time to focus a big number of people to the common goal.
There's obviously an optimum, and our engineering is not so far distant
from it when regarding the produced quality.

>Second, I don't claim ultimate knowledge,

But you refuse to accept rather simple facts that others (in the know)
tell you. You can do this only if you know it better or at least believe
you do. In refusing to believe these other people, you directly state
that you know more abot those items than they.

>Just because Andy worked on some part of the BridgeBoard
>project, doesn't mean that he is an expert on the internals of Windows or
>OS/2.

Not on the whole thing. But for the items discussed here, he did make
himself literate by reading it up in books and citing them afterwards.
So yes, in regards of the admittedly few items discussed here, he is
now an expert. When you keep refusing to believe him you claim more
expertise than he.

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From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:29:29 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
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In article <1993Jan22.170429.4103@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: Since I actually know what I'm talking about, its easy to see
>: how you managed to get the impression that I'm Mr. Information.
>:
>
>Ha!  The only impression I got is that you're TRYING TO ACT like Mr.
>Information, but your bias clouds your vision and your desire to know
>the real facts.

Ok. I think this childishness has gone on about as far as it should. And
certainly much further than anyone, especially with Mr. Finkel's reputation
should have to endure.

Jerry, let me put it this way: Mr. Finkle IS Mr. Information. He does know
how to do a little research on a topic and he does know what he is talking
about. If you would wish to spend some research time instead of running off
at the mouth, you would find this to be true.

>Really?  And what about all the Amigoids calling the PC users "sheep",
>"lemmings", "clowns", etc.?  That's not bigoted or insulting?  Just reading
>this newsgroup is enough to drive any self-respecting non-Amiga user up the
>wall.  I freely admit that sometimes it's a bit too much and I tend to fire

Apparently you have led an incredibly sheltered life if simple name-calling
truly upsets you. If you really feel the need to combat some of life's
wrongs, why not volunteer your services to some of your community's needs.
You really have an opportunity to accomplish something there with REAL
rewards. Believe me; I've done it.

Or how about using your computer knowledge to develop safety or inspection
systems which truly save lives? That's what I do for a living. I've been out
there and talked to boiler operators who jumped from 7 stories up because a
recovery boiler was coming apart at the seams and they had seen what happens
to their co-workers who got caught in a steam explosion. Yes, they lost their
legs and spleens while others who jumped with them died. And I, fellow
co-workers and others in the safety industry had done much with computers in
the last 10 years to significantly reduce the chances of people like this
getting killed or maimed.

Try being constructive for a change. Please try to make a difference with
your knowledge and abilities instead of this incessant whining.

>I'm sick of it, that's all.  I told you time and time again, that I was

Not one fraction as sick and tired as we are of this whining.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Experience: What you get when you don't get what you want.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:06:49 GMT

In <C19JuK.Fqu@cs.mcgill.ca> storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc Wandschneider) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.095707.561@ulrik.uio.no> jawil@hpx14.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens) writes:
>>
>>Why can't Commodore do the same?? Why do we have to pay for becoming beta
>>testers? Why is everything so secret when Commodore are developping something?
>>


>	Well, maybe Commodore isn't posting 5$ billion in losses and isn't 
>desperate for new users for their products.

 That I'd like to see.  They loose a few million are not doing so great. 
Imagine if they lost $5 billion, a sum which is probably larger than their
combined assets.

>	There is also the fact that one generally wants to MAKE MONEY off
>products one develops, not give them away to twerpy prepubescent drips
>who wouldn't pay for software if it came out of the monitor and blew them.

 Interesting.  I don't understand this attitude.  We're talking about a 
beta release here.  The final release of OS/2 2.1 will have a price tag, as
will the updates from OS/2 2.0.

 The point is that IBM is making an honest attempt to try to receive as many
bug fixes as they can get.  Commodore didn't try very hard with 2.04,
allowing only a select few to beta test the OS, and so we ended up with a lot
of programs that broke.

 IBM is also trying to hook as many people as they can by offering this
freebie.  Then when 2.1 is released, they'll see more sales.

 This makes pretty good business sense.
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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:07:50 GMT

In <torrie.727909347@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

>engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng) writes:

>>a few for sale at their typically inflated prices.  Are Alpha's
>>multi-sourced yet?  Is the Alpha architecture multi-sourced, or are
>>you locked into DEC?

>  I don't care whether it's multi-sourced or not.  I want the best chip, 
>not the most popular.

Maybe you should care.  By not caring, you are saying that it is
okay that your computer and all of its software could be made
worthless if the one company who fabs the chip decides to fold,
or if the one company that controls the designs to the chip
decides to fold.  With multi-sourcing you don't have to depend
on one designer or one fab source providing better technology
to you in the future (like are stuck with in terms of the 680x0).
Do you see anyone building a better 680x0 besides Motorola?
Do you still care so little, and does that still not strike
even a single nerve?

>>>  The SPARC is to the RISC world as Intel is to the CISC world.

>>You mean the dominant architecture?  :-)  You can hardly fault
>>Intel for persuing sales where the lost sheep continue to buy.
>>One would figure that market forces would shift towards the
>>"better" product.

>  So you're saying that Intel is the "better" product?  In the
>micro world, it seems that it's who gets there first, rather than
>who is better.

"first" may well be one criterion that is used to define "better".
"Better" is a meaningless language token that has no semantics
as far as I am concerned without a proper declaration.

>>The claimed
>>performance advantages of the Alpha at this very sample in
>>time is hardly something to rejoice over.  RISC processors
>>leapfrog eachother every couple of months.

>  We'll see how long it is before SPARC rules the roost in the
>performance league.  I suspect a long time.

My point is that you don't have to rule the roost in the
performance league to rule the roost.  You rule the roost by
being "better".  Obviously, the most popular opinions of
"better" as defined by the market trends show that absolute
performance is not the deciding factor.  So with this in mind,
I can safely say that I would not be saddened if SPARC were
to succeed despite not being an ideal RISC architecture nor
the fastest chip off the old block.  However, I am certainly
in favour of Intel's death based just on principle.  :-)

PS:  Your favouritism towards Alpha smell a little like jumping
on the old bandwagon (along with a lot of people) rather than
standing up for principle.  Alpha will certainly not be the
final word on CPU speed when the dust settles.  It is a valiant
competitor, but it will take more than silicon to win the war.

Ben
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