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From: peter@globv1.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: BBS Development ideas.. Some thoughts..
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:07:27 GMT
Organization: Global Village 1

agb001@acad.drake.edu writes:

>> Hmmmm...  How about something like ELM, and TIN on the UNIX side,
>> along with something along those lines for the transfer section.

>Actually, there is a BBS I call in St.Louis running MTABBS. It has the files IN
>the message base. The messsage shows up with a little descriptor saying
>"<Download>" and it is known that it is a download. Not only is that nicer in
>that the actual description is a message in the BBS, but also the download can
>be scrolled off and accesssed without having to jump around. There is also a
>seperate set of commands to access the download areas, but the ability to have
>it in messages is a GREAT asset.

That is the same strategy that Magpie follows, no file areas, only attaches
and I like that. TBBS also has some kind of attaches, but it has file areas.
There are more systems that support file attaches to messages.

>Yes, but each version of UNIX still has its own problems. What do you do if you
>are running on a 512K Amiga and UNIX takes up 400K on its own.

The basic UNIX system is even simpler than AmigaDOS. However, AmigaDOS has the
advantage that it sits in ROM, which is 256-512K big and that saves the same
amount of RAM. If UNIX were availlable for Amigas in ROM, then it could run
in the same 512K RAM. Unfortunately, UNIX on the 68000 sucks, you'll need at
least a 68010 to do it right. I've used a 68010 UNIX machine with a 1M RAM,
a 30M harddisk and System V release 2. Not the fastest thing around, but it
could easily accomodate 4 users.

>Yes, I would be interested myself in such a newsgroup.

Me too!

>No thanks. Not my cup of tea. :) (Gawd, there's a scary thought. A C-64 running
>Unix. :)

Don't laugh, the first machine that ran UNIX had less memory than a C64!

Greetings,
Peter Busser
-- 
Hacktic Network Association, bringing Internet to the people
From: dmz@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: internet mail on apple?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:14:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

William Devine writes:

(misc. stuff deleted - basically, asking for Apple II BBSs w/Internet Mail)

The only two Apple II BBS programs I know of with Internet mail capabilities
are Proline (expensive), and EBBS (less expensive). I used to run a BBS on
an Apple II, and ran EBBS for 2 1/2 years, before I came here to school (I
am still beta testing EBBS 2.0 for Joe Schober, its author, and hope to set
up a system here.) If you want information on EBBS, send e-mail to 
"jschober@gnh-starport.cts.com", and if you have any questions about it or
its capabilities, feel free to write me as well. 

					Dan Zimmerman
					dmz@cco.caltech.edu
					(No Signature Yet)
From: RAHULI@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (RAHUL INDRAYAN)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: 800 number BBS list wanted
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:02:10 GMT
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phobos.ucs.umass.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hello!
I want to know some BBS which could be obtained by dialing a 800 number. If anyone knows then please mail the number to me.
Thanks for your help.
Bye
	Rahul Indrayan
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: damon@netcom.com (Damon Scaggs)
Subject: Look for 402 bbs list
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:16:37 GMT


Looking for a 402 bbs list.  Specificaly the Lincoln area.

Damon
damon@netcom.com
From: jfc@nic.cerf.net (Co Ho)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Help needed in setting up a MS-DOS BBS
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:08:24 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

You may want to buy PCboard 14.5a - it's one of the most popular BBS
software for MS-DOS, give them a call:
	Clark Development Co.
	(801) 261-1686

Startup hardware requirement is low but could be expand over LAN, CD-rom
and the like.  They would give you more info!

-- 
Co Ho  - FJC Software Development | "..is there a vision that I can call my
321 E. Chapman Fullerton CA 92632 | own? Feel like I'm looking for a reason
(714) 992-7274 BBS:(714) 992-7754 | -roaming through the night-  to find my
Alt.Addr=xcho@ccvax.fullerton.edu | place in this world.."   MichaelW.Smith
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
From: djg2@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (David J. Greenberger)
Subject: Re: BBS Development ideas.. Some thoughts..
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:25:02 GMT

agb001@acad.drake.edu writes:

>Well, it seems to give variety. I mean without differences among BBSes, they
>would all look and feel the same. Even WITH User customizing. If it was slow
>in some places, ALL would be slow. No thanks. Personally I like keeping my
>BBS a little better than the other by rewriting the code with my own when I
>can.

I *strongly* disagree.  The BBS world is rapidly moving away from doing
everything online to doing as much as possible offline and automating the
little that must be done online.  It is *much* easier to automate BBS logins if
there's a standard to the BBS software, because it's possible for someone to
write an automation routine for the software that will work on all BBSs running
it, not just one.

PCBoard may be boring, but it's *very* easy to get your mail and files while
you're sleeping.  I don't call a BBS because it has cute commands; I call it to
get something done, and the easier it is for me to do that, the more likely it
is that I'll call.
--
|      David J. Greenberger      |   BBS: (212) 496-8324          |
|      106 West Avenue           |   Internet: djg2@cornell.edu   |
|      Ithaca, NY 14850          |   RIME: Common, ->48           |
|      (607) 272-2137            |                                |
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: manes@magpie.nycenet.edu (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: GIF Menus on BBSs
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:29:22 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Paul Jason Clegg (cleggp@aix.rpi.edu) wrote:
: GIF MENUS!

: Yes, I know to transfer the menu everytime would take forever, particularly
: at the slower speeds.  But, why not do something like this:

: It's a given that a special term program will have to be written to allow
: for graphics to begin with.  What the term program would do, however, is 
: receive a VERY short code from the remote host, perhaps a filename and a
: date.  It would check to see if it has the filename (which would be the GIF
: file) and check it's date to make sure it's current.  If these were not
: true (ie no file or older file), the board (or term program) would prompt
: the user if they wanted to d/l the new menu, and then (if yes) run a ZModem
: (or some protocol) download of the proper menu.  BUT it would keep the menu
: on the user's harddrive, so the user wouldn't have to d/l the menu everytime.
: Once the menus are d/led, the display time for a menu would only be limited
: by the user's computer system, and not the comm rate.  Of course, the board
: would also allow ANSI/ASCII logons as well, and volatile information (file
: dirs, messages) would still have to be transferred by normal means.

That's pretty much the way these things work.  When I was working on
Citibank's Enhanced Telephone (an extension of their Direct Access
home banking system) that's how we kept menus current.

Unfortunately, Citibank's ET is long dead.
-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.nycenet.edu
Manes and Associates/Commontech-NoHo		   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o

Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Politicians speak out!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:27:42 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

o    "The European Council reiterates the position taken  by  the
     Community  and  its member states in Gimaraes on the request
     of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia  to  be  recog-
     nised  as  an independent state.  It expresses its readiness
     to recognise that republic within its existing  borders,  in
     accordance with the declaration of December 16, 1991 under a
     name which does not include the term  `Macedonia'.  Besides,
     it considers the boundaries of that republic both inviolable
     and guaranteed in accordance  with  the  principles  of  the
     Charter of the United Nations and the Paris Chapter."

     Unanimous decision by the European Council of  EC  countries
     leaders, Lisbon, June 26-27 1992.

-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
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Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: language questions
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:10:25 GMT

irakliot@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>But should you trace the origin of that "macedonian" language, you will discover
>no evidences for its existence before the 19th century.

And? There was hardly any notion of Afrikaans before the 19th century
as well.

>What you will also discover is that what you call "macedonian" language is 
>a mixture of Greek, Slavic, Bulgarian and Turkish types.

Is "Slavic" != "Bulgarian"? You need some education. By the way,
Macedonian is a langauge which is closely related to Bulgarian
from it can be said to split off from in recent times. (Just like
Afrikaans from Dutch.)

>No macedonian language, no contemporary macedonian language that is,
>exist as far as the linguistic definiton of a language goes.

Did you speak with a linguist about that? Most Slavicists seem to
disagree with you.

>It would be similar to your token, to assume that the Cajun spoken in the
>Southern States, are French. They are not (although cajun used to be french
>way back in 16th, 17th if memory serves --- I don't remember very well).

Greek logic has always been a bit special. If we were to follow your
opinion on Macedonian, or the lack thereof, Cajun would be French.
(And Afrikaans would be Dutch.)
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Politicians speak out!
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:46:15 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan23.052742.53015@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis):
> o    "The European Council reiterates the position taken  by  the
>      Community  and  its member states in Gimaraes on the request
>      of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia  to  be  recog-
>      nised  as  an independent state.  It expresses its readiness
>      to recognise that republic within its existing  borders,  in
>      accordance with the declaration of December 16, 1991 under a
>      name which does not include the term  `Macedonia'.  Besides,
>      it considers the boundaries of that republic both inviolable
>      and guaranteed in accordance  with  the  principles  of  the
>      Charter of the United Nations and the Paris Chapter."
> 
>      Unanimous decision by the European Council of  EC  countries
>      leaders, Lisbon, June 26-27 1992.
> 

I wonder whether blackmail over Maastricht might have had something to
do with this; at least one Danish politician thinks so....

Andy
From: androut@ecf.toronto.edu (ANDROUTSOS DIMITRIOS)
Subject: Re: THANK YOU FOR STARTING THIS GROUP
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:48:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.023520.3277@cas.org> vkb57@cas.org () writes:
>I also find the participation of so many Greeks on the net very encouraging.
>
>With best wishes
>
>Vasil Babamov

	What did you expect?


Dimitri


**********************************************************************
	H Makedonia einai Ellhnikh, re gamwto!
*********************************************************************

Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,misc.test
From: rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer)
Subject: Re: Ancient Macedonian Cities (was Re: New Macedonian Group Established Here
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:38:42 GMT

Maybe the new country of Macedonia could use another name, after all the name
Byzantine Empire seems available.

I refuse to recognize Greece until it changes it's name to "Snuggles".

Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: androut@ecf.toronto.edu (ANDROUTSOS DIMITRIOS)
Subject: Geia Xara Paidia!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:29:46 GMT

	Epeidh h istoria mas dihgei thn alhtheia, kai mono autoi
pou thn diabazoun kseroun pws pragmatika h Makedonia einai Ellhnikia,
Prepei na mazeutoume oloi s'auto to Newsgroup na enumerwsoume tous
ruzospastes!




Dhmhtrhs!


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


	MACEDONIA IS GREEK!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,misc.test
From: jdd1@cec2.wustl.edu (James Dimos Dimarogonas)
Subject: Re: Ancient Macedonian Cities (was Re: New Macedonian Group Established Here
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:47:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.234641.19202@wuecl.wustl.edu> jdd1@cec2.wustl.edu (James Dimos Dimarogonas) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.032051.25864@ultb.isc.rit.edu> vrm5180@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>dear honorable gentlemman,
>>the northern territory that you are referring to is an independent nation. 
>>as a Macedonian Kingdom with Slavs as a prodominant ethnic group in it.
>>
>>,ith respect.
>>Viktor Mizo  
>
>Macedonian kingdom?  What are you reffering to?
>
>James Dimarogonas

I sent this about a week ago, and the only reply I got was from some guy
with a slavic name telling me to go and read some history other than
what the Greek propaganda tells me (this was with personal e-mail which
I erased, so I don't remember who it was).

In fear that I will be accused of stupidity, I will nevertheless repeat
the question,  since neither the syntax of the above frase is very clear
nor the historical reference.

Which was the Macedonian Kingdom with slavs as a predominant ethnic group?
Is this a reference to Alexanders Macedonia?  Or some Byzantine kingdom
I am not aware of?

As for the gentleman who sent me the personal e-mail implying that I am a
moron for not sharing his views on some historical reference, all I can say
is that I feel pity for him. For if the only argument he can present to
defend his thesis on a historical dispute is that I am wrong because I am
Greek ( and BTW, beleive me, it was an honest question, and not an argument)
it is the only feeling he can evoke in me .  I am curious though to see
how he figured out I was educated in Greece.  I did go to high school in
Greece, but I also took history courses as my humanities requirement
in the U.S.  Actually I have spent most of my life in this country.
And there a lot of Greeks on the net that have never lived in Greece.
So, gentlemen, let us refrain from making fools of ourselves by using 
such stupid arguments about such a fascinating political and historical
dispute.

Cheers

James Dimarogonas
 
 
Xref: sparky alt.news.macedonia:280 misc.test:15930
From: sutin@ra.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,misc.test
Subject: Re: Ancient Macedonian Cities (was Re: New Macedonian Group Established Here
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:37:59 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.ucsc.edu

In article <1993Jan27.040336.13584@wam.umd.edu> yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VELISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.203842.6931@cs.wisc.edu> rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer) writes:
>>Maybe the new country of Macedonia could use another name, after all the name
>>Byzantine Empire seems available.

>>I refuse to recognize Greece until it changes it's name to "Snuggles".

>	Was that funny??? Keep your humor for you         
>	eXOUN BGEI OLA TA KWLOPAIDA KAI KANOUN KAI PLAKA APANW.....
>	ALLA DEN FTAINE AYTOI ....DEN FTAINE.....

>Apogohteymenos me thn olh katastash,
>yiannis

Could some translate this to me from Snugglish?

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: vkb57@cas.org ()
Subject: THANK YOU FOR STARTING THIS GROUP
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:35:20 GMT

I also find the participation of so many Greeks on the net very encouraging.

With best wishes

Vasil Babamov
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: language questions
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:30:37 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <1993Jan24.191025.4670@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
|> >What you will also discover is that what you call "macedonian" language is 
|> >a mixture of Greek, Slavic, Bulgarian and Turkish types.
|> 
|> Is "Slavic" != "Bulgarian"? You need some education.

And you need a pair of glasses so you can see. I said slavic types.


-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
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Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
From: ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Nikolay Mehandjiev)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: language questions
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:37:05 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

>What language do the people of the Greek province of Macedonia speak?

Greek apart from a group called "Slavophone Greeks", who speak
Bulgarian dialect (in other postings referred to as "slavomacedonian,
etc.").

>What language do the people of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia speak?

The very old people speak various Bulgarian dialects ( see any
independent ethnic map from the last century).  In fact Ohrid, which
is "on the other side" of Macedonia. i.e. on the Macedono-Albanian
border, was medieval Bulgarian political and cultural centre.  The
only Bulgarian Patriarchate (Exarchate?) during the Ottoman rule was
there, in Ohrid. It existed until the 18th century.  Most of the
prominent Bulgarian Revival leaders originate from the region of
Macedonia.  When the newly independent Bulgaria in 1878 discussed
which dialect should be standardised as language, there were two main
proposals - the language from the region of Ohrid and the one from the
region of Veliko Tarnovo - other Bulgarian medieval capital.  The
second one won with a very small majority.

After the WWI and WWII the language of R. of Macedonia was changed by
the Serbian and Yugoslav officials.  The former communist dictator
Tito is still their most honoured national hero (as every Godfather is
:-)).  They had a new alphabet where many Bulgarian letters were
exchanged for Serbian ones.  New grammar rules separated the language
from the Bulgarian and now it is internationally recognised as a
separate language, which the majority of the population speaks.

While the Bulgarian people realise and honour the Macedonian identity
of the people of R. of Macedonia nowadays, we can not accept their
claims for "an oppressed Macedonian minority in Western Bulgaria"
(meaning the Bulgarians left within the borders of Bulgaria (see
below)).
 
>What language do the people of western Bulgaria speak?

Bulgarian.  They have not been brainwashed into Macedonians and their
alphabet/grammar has not been forcefully changed.  It is interesting
and sad to see how cousins from different sides of the Bulg-Yu border
have different languages and national feelings.
 
Nikolay Mehandjiev <ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk>
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: USA Governemnt SPEAK OUT !
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:47:38 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan23.053112.68100@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis):
> 
> 
> ***********-------------
> ***********-------------          U. S.  STATE  DEPARTMENT
> ***********-------------
> ***********-------------
> ------------------------         Foreign Relations.  Vol  VIII
> ------------------------           Washington D.C.
> ------------------------
> ------------------------
> 
>                                    Circular Airgram
>                                  (868.014 / 26 Dec. 1944)


Could be that things have changed in the last 50 years?


Andy
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject:  Historians speak out!
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:22:51 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

o    "What language did these Macedones speak? The name itself is
     Greek  in  root and in ethnic termination. It probably means
     highlanders, and it is comparable to Greek tribal names ..."

     "The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the most signi-
     ficant. Nearly all of them are Greek."

     Hammond, N. G. L., "The Macedonian State", Clarendon  Press,
     Oxford, 1989.
     N. G. L. Hammond is a Professor Emeritus at  the  University
     of Bristol, and Honorary Fellow at Cambridge University.


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Colorado State U
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From: tsioutsias-dimitris@cs.yale.edu (Dimitris Tsioutsias)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Erland Sommarskog
Date: 24 Jan 1993 18:51:25 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyaya.systemsz.cs.yale.edu

So, you have immigrated from scg to alt.news.macedonia now? And as I see
you still have the same objective view of things when it comes to Greece
and its people. Is there a bad moment in your past with someone from Greece?
Maybe a greek woman dumped you?