HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xeno@iastate.edu (Gary L Snethen)
Subject: Re: Screen colors (Was Re: Zork/Dungeon)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:13:08 GMT

In <1992Oct13.083720.6453@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au> khchung@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr KH Chung) writes:

>In article <Bvv3EK.FCz@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct8.003300.38853@datamark.co.nz> david@datamark.co.nz (David Rowland) writes:
>> 
>> >4 Million Now. A few messages back, it was 350 000 colours. Does any
>> >one know the exact number of colours the human eye can see?
>> 
>> Eighty-seven.

>The human eye can't really distinguish that many colours, it only has red
>blue and green receptors.  It can, however, readily distinguish some 111
>shades of grey (you can find it in some old article in Science xy, a now
>non-existent magazine that used to be published by the AAAS).

I'll challenge that any day...

There HAS to be qualification on statements such as these...

such as 'only distinguish 111 shades of grey in a single image' or whatever.

If you give me only two shades of grey at a time, I assure you that I can
perceive the difference between any two of a set of up to 200 shades if they
meet at a continuous border.

---Xeno


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,rec.games.int-fiction
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Screen colors (Was Re: Zork/Dungeon)
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:02:45 GMT

In article <0eZmsB2w164w@lorc.UUCP> lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen) writes:
>
>Well, for a single computer, Eric Greene (of Greene Machine BBS fame) had a 
>PDP 11/23 with 16 modems, four floppy disks, 8 terminals, and two printers
>for a hobby system.

Not good enough.  I wrote a PDP-8-based message-switching system with filing
capabilities, etc. that serves 40 logical tasks including console terminal,
several line-printers, paper-tape reader/punch, and 4 banks of 8-channel
multiplexed serial line adaptors.  Baud rates to 19,200 were possible on
all serial lines, but most were set to 1200 baud, since that was the
prevailing modem speed of the day.  Some were defined as output-only to
send messages to other systems, and a few were input-only to receive messages
from other systems.  Two such systems were in continuous usage, so some lines
were interconnected so the systems had access to each other's data.  Each
machine had 2 hard disks, all removable so there was no need for an additional
device for backup.  The usual configuration had about 24 terminals or modems
connected to terminals, the rest were the lines designated as one-way, but
all could be reconfigured as necessary.

Terminals came in two flavors: normal full-duplex, and buffered.  The buffered
mode was used by other systems that followed various industry-standard
buffered terminal conventions when accessing the -8's data.  The full-duplex
terminals were the so-called "operator's" terminals which could manipulate
the system's queues, etc., and could cancel output in progress, etc., as 
well as delete files.  All terminals could acquire detailed directories of
the files, as well as examine the message queues.  The master PDP-8 console
was the only place certain "privileged" operations could be initiated to
reconfigure the system.

While I never had all of the terminals in the home version, I did have the
complete muxes as well as all of the incidentals (printers, readers, etc.), 
and would debug using a few buffered terminals hooked at random to one or
two of the 32 available RS-232 connectors on the combined mux access panels.

cjl
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From: mjh@cs.vu.nl (Huisjes MJ)
Subject: Re: Zork/Dungeon (LONG)
Keywords: history Zork Infocom
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:39:18 GMT

galley@think.com (Stu Galley) writes:

[ Stuff about foundation of Infocom deleted ]

....
} product.  But that's another story.

} * Zork I came under the wing of PS's New Products Manager, a fellow
} named Mitch Kapor, who later founded Lotus Development Corp.

} ** In December 1984, after a long legal tangle with Software Arts over
} VisiCalc, Visicorp eventually merged into one of its own spin-off
} companies and disappeared.

} [end]

Please, please, continue. Interesting stuff. How did it continue with
Infocom and how did it end.
-- 
Maarten Huisjes.	mjh@cs.vu.nl (192.31.231.42)
			(..!uunet.uu.net!cs.vu.nl!mjh)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:19:24 -0400 
From: "Joseph M. Newcomer" <jn11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Thoughts

Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.computers: 8-Oct-92 Re: Thoughts by
Sergej Roytman@hamburg.e 
> REAL MEN ENTER IT BY TAPPING TWO WIRES TOGETHER.  IN ALL-CAPS.

...what about by dragging keys across the TTY wires?  (ref: The Cuckoo's Egg)
                            joe
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Connection Machine posters (was Re: Mean-looking iron: design decision or just cool stuff?)
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 09:32:48 EST

In article <1992Oct6.222103.8981@newshost.unh.edu>
clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason) writes:
 
>Craig Shergold is dying, and his last wish is to have a CM5 poster.  Please
>send your name, postcard, and offer to him.  Oh damn, I've misplaced the
>address.
 
Don't worry...his story is due to make the rounds on the net again.  I'm
sure someone poor sap will post his address /c the latest version.
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From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: LA50 printer
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: CE at UVBS / HOS / RNoN and CS-S at UiB, N.
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:06:20

In article <18241@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> phil@venus.ucdavis.edu (Phillip W. Wong) writes:

   I've got a DEC LA50 printer... anybody have a list of the DIP switch
   settings? 

Oh! I thought mine was the only one still living.. :-/  As for the dip
switches - if it works, don't fix it.

   Is the interface a serial interface? If so, what type and the
   required switch settings?

Yes, it's a 4800 baud serial interface.

   I'm planning to hook this thing to an SGI IRIS 310. will there be
   any problems?

Nope. Except don't send too fast or the printer will choke :-)

-Magnus
From: Dave_Watson@mindlink.bc.ca (Dave Watson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: folklore and computing article
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:08:44 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Re: Your penis questions -- Has anyone ever called you a dick?

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From: dobrien@cix.compulink.co.uk (Dan O'Brien)
Subject: Multi-lingual source listing
Reply-To: dobrien@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:09:17 +0000


A while back (a long while - circa Christmas '91, I think), some one
dropped a short source listing that compiled in Pascal, Fortran *and*
C. Printed up something like `Happy Christmas', I think.

Any eager archivists still got the source? E-Mail only, pliz - I'll
repeat to the net, promise.

ObHackingTooLong - Walking down Oxford High St after 18 hours solid
terminal abuse, and noting that the pavement was scrolling up, rather
than moving forward...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
dobrien@cix.compulink.co.uk || RGeneralisations are for Robert A.Heinlei.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: dirty tricks
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 3 days, 7 hours, 47 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:32:00 GMT

In article <7045@fury.BOEING.COM>, krm@sdc.boeing.com (Keith Michaels) writes...
>Anyone that used a real VT220 remembers the program VT220.FOR that allowed
>you to download different character sets, including one called BACK.DAT
>which was the mirror image of the regular character set.  I had fun
>downloading this to a colleagues terminal (a guy with just a touch of
>dyslexia anyway), while he was using it.  I also had a composite character
>set with just the 'e's backwards.  This was great fun since all the 'e's
>on his screen would mysteriously reverse, and then after a few seconds
>I'd switch them back.  (How cruel!).

  Could anyone, please, point me to an FTP site with this VT220.FOR ?
  Archie does not do VMS sites.

  Is there a character set editor for VT2xx-3xx that would allow you to modify
the characters, as Keith mentions ?

> * Keith R. Michaels       | The Boeing Company                      *
> * krm@sdc.boeing.com      | Seattle, WA.                            *

Alex Khalil  alex@dt.uh.edu
U. of Houston-Downtown
From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Real men (was Re: Thoughts)
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:47:06 GMT
Reply-To: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey

pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:
> No, REAL men reject keyboards and just use a soldering iron and wire cutters.

A real man would have known to call it a "hardware editor".
And if you have one, you *don't need* wire cutters, aka "dikes".
(When in doubt, dike it out).

Cheers,
Andy
-- 
 Andreas Meyer, N2FYE       Dumme Gedanken hat jeder, doch der Weise
 ahm@spatula.rent.com       verschweight sie. -- Wilhelm Busch
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Wang 2200
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:33:47 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct12.182710.9875@coopsol.com> brentw@coopsol.com (Brent Williams) writes:
>	This is truly a world class boat anchor.  Actually, if anyone 

I've got two 2200 SVPA boxes.  I tried getting rid of them years ago at
some of the used Wang dealers and they didn't want them even then.  I'm
probably going to strip them of whatever parts I can use then sell the
aluminum case (there are several pounds of it) for scrap.  I've also
got a 2236DW terminal for some lucky(?) person out there.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
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From: jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge)
Subject: Re: you know you've been hacking too long...
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  8 Oct 92 16:22:12 GMT
Keywords: hacking long absurd msdos TM

In <1992Oct6.024025.24653@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>
>>Anyway, he was participating in a one-night stand with a woman.  The next
>>morning when he woke up, he thought that she was a PDP-11 and was trying to
>>figure out how to boot her.  Now that's someone who hacks too much.
>
>>Even better, the next time this happened to him (!), he thought the other
>>person was a VAX, and couldn't figure out where to put the floppy.
>
>If you don't know where to put your floppy, then it isn't much of a one
>night stand....
>
>[No 3.5 inchers here - I've got an old but still servicable 8 incher.]

Until a cuckolded lover hounds you into a corner with a more servicable
Winchester...

	J

--
jeremy@sw.oz.au ph:+61 2 698 2322-x122 fax:+61 2 699 9174
I have, however, taken liberties with the barber pole.
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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: VHS vs BETA
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:29:53 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <ldeg4cINN3h5@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury) writes:
> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
> : In article <1992Oct6.131809.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, sbakerjr@cc.curtin.edu.au wr
> : : VHS may well have a longer play or record time but what about the 10% drift
> : : in timing that VHS systems produce ?
> : 
> : What 10% drift?  On record VHS is locked to the TV signal (virtually
> : no drift) and on playback its usually locked to the AC supply frequency
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : which can have small short-term variations, but is exceptionally
> : accurate over a period of an hour or so.
> 
> No, no, no, no, NO!  Where do people get such misinformation!  If the VCR
> was locked to the AC line frequency upon playback then how would any of the
> following work:
> 
> 	1. camcorder ON BATTERIES plays back a tape
> 	2. watchman/portable 8mm VCR ON BATTERIES plays back a tape on the
> 		built in screen
> 	3. I take my US/60Hz NTSC VCR and TV to a PAL country and play back
> 		on the NTSC TV, but the line frequency is 50Hz
> 	4. airplanes show a video using their 400Hz power system
> 

Funny, I've just had an interesting email discussion with another netter who
disputed this. Obviously any kind of portable system cannot rely on the
mains, they must have their own frequency source, but early VCRs (mostly
Beta ones) do indeed get their sync from the mains (so, I'm a bit
behind the times with VCRs !!).

All modern ones use a crystal oscillator, which allows for portability,
the various speed tricks, etc.

> On playback the VCR gets it's sync from the control track of the tape (this
> assumes a simple setup, no TBC/advanced sync/etc...).

The head drum is synced to that, the capstan motor is synced to a stable
frequency source, commonly a 32768Hz xtal oscillator.

Steve

-- 
Steve McKinty
SUN Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Not really Re: Total erasure of hard drive data??
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:33:30 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <aldavi01.718662098@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> aldavi01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Arlie Davis) writes:
 > Yes, but the GNU hello-world can read mail, news, can fake mail, can print
But why read news with the GNU hello-world program if it goes just as well
with:
	yes ' ' | rn
?  (Are there other uses for the infamous yes program?)
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Virtural Reality Operating Systems?
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:49:22 GMT

Are there any research projects, commercial or otherwise, dealing with
virtural reality OS's?  If you know of any could you please e-mail me
and steer me in the right direction?  I think this could be the ultimate
GUI, eh?

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: urban@krusty.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban)
Subject: Re: Oldest ARPAnet messages?
Reply-To: urban@krusty.jpl.nasa.gov ()
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:39:36 GMT

In article <1b2g6pINNntl@smaug.West.Sun.COM> dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield) writes:
>I believe the first user of the ARPAnet was Charlie Kline
>at UCLA.  He lives in Sherman Oaks, CA (area code 818).
>

Tsk, tsk, Dave.  Didn't you ever see the sheet that was posted on IMP
#1 in the machine room at UCLA?  The first message ever transmitted on
the Arpanet (from BBN to the SDS Sigma-7 at UCLA), reading `THIS IS A
REAL MESSAGE FOR JON POSTEL'.  Jon Postel, Vint Cerf, and Charlie Kline
probably share the title for first Arpanet users. (Okay, now Mark
Kampe will probably correct me...)


	Mike Urban

	urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov
From: ping@ping.actrix.gen.nz (Peter Ingham)
Subject: Re: Convergent Megaframe?? Anyone??
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Distribution: world,local
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:50:25 GMT
Organization: Private UUCP Site

William Petrisko (petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu) wrote:
> Anyone here heard of a Convergent Technologies Megaframe?
> 

Still being sold (by Unisys) as the  XE520, and XE530 series.

The Primary OS for them is CTOS which is still being developed and enhanced.
Unix is (or used to be) also available on some XE500 configurations.
--

Cheers

    Peter S. Ingham              ping@ping.actrix.gen.nz
    Lower Hutt,  New Zealand     3:771/220.5
From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: hacking too long
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:31:14 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Did sbakerjr@cc.curtin.edu.au really type:
}  I was looking for a street in the local road directory and it suddenly
}  occurred to me that it would be a brilliant idea to include a ^Qf function 
}  in street directories.
}  
}  Turbo C users may understand...

Try WordStar (although I'm sure someone will predate this).

-- 
    _   Who:    John 'Vlad' Adams 
 _ //   Where:  jma@cis.ufl.edu -or- jadams@coral.senod.uwf.edu
 \X/    Why:    "Every moment of pleasure in life has to be
                   purchased by an equal amount of pain."
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From: iain@ee.ryerson.ca (Iain Campbell)
Subject: Re: Hacking too long!
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:45:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.203523.25159@midway.uchicago.edu> jrs8@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.034446.14953@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:
>>Sergej Roytman (ftit@sussex.engin.umich.edu) wrote:
>>> 
>>> This just happened to me: I wanted to take an elevator down to the
>>> second floor and I hit the '1' key.  Ground floor is 0 so the floor
>>> above it is 1, right?  I need a vacation.  Now.  When does spring
>>> break start?
>>
>>Well, in MANY places outside of the USofA the Ground Floor is G and the one
>>above it is 1. In a sense it is the correct way of doing things. It is the
>>first floor above the ground and the one below it is Ground, it isn't a
>>floor (you have to build floors, ground was there to start with :-)
>
>There's a building at Northwestern Univ., where I went to college,
>that has two ground floors, since the ground is higher in the front
>than in the back.  The lower of the two floors is labelled G, the
>higher 1.
>

Here at Ryerson, we have a building which has two basement levels!!
For id purposes, they are labelled B for basement, and LB for lower 
basement.  Even the room numbers are screwy, eg I had a class once
in room LB40C, which turned out to be a transformer utility room!!

Iain

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From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: VHS vs BETA
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:03:15 GMT
Organization: LORC Enterprises

bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury) writes:
> No, no, no, no, NO!  Where do people get such misinformation!  If the VCR
> was locked to the AC line frequency upon playback then how would any of the
> following work:
> 
> 	1. camcorder ON BATTERIES plays back a tape
> 	2. watchman/portable 8mm VCR ON BATTERIES plays back a tape on the
> 		built in screen
> 	3. I take my US/60Hz NTSC VCR and TV to a PAL country and play back
> 		on the NTSC TV, but the line frequency is 50Hz
> 	4. airplanes show a video using their 400Hz power system
> 
> I don't recall carrying around a 60Hz oscillator to feed to the VCR on
> playback...
> 
> On playback the VCR gets it's sync from the control track of the tape (this
> assumes a simple setup, no TBC/advanced sync/etc...).

Yes, it does, but HOW does it know that the tape is at the right speed?  If the 
tape speed is off, the control signal will be off-frequency by that same amount.
However, the tape signal from the control track IS the reference for the
tape speed--HOW THEN DOES THE VCR *KNOW* that it is 30Hz???  Hmm... You know,
I seem to remember seeing a 30Hz PLL with a 60Hz timebase (quartz crystal
controlled) in an RCA camcorder I worked on....

On AC units it is easier to divide the line frequency by two.

> mike

--

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant, GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC
***********************************************************************
 Opinions expressed herein are the author's and do not reflect policy
   or opinions of the General Electric Company or its subsidiaries.
***********************************************************************
From: jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What was the intended advantage of using 36bits CPU?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:45:05 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <YH7-l7B@engin.umich.edu> ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes:

>In article <1bfq4bINNrtv@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:
>|In article <1992Oct13.225620.10861@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>|>rounded up value of 16 bits/char.  (Or is someone going to justify a
>|>replacement character code set with 65536 unique combinations?)
>|
>|Yep, one of them is Unicode.  At least 16 bits is needed to handle the
>|various Asian languages, plus there are lots of other characters out
>|there that would be nice to have.  Right now 16 bit character support
>|is mandatory in Japan.
>
>Man!  What do the keyboards look like over there?

Almost normal.  You have to know that Japanese has several character sets:
Kanji (many thousands of characters), Hirigana, Katakana (smaller phonetically based
character sets) and Romanji (English characters).  The keyboard 
has all the Romanji and Katakana symbols on it, with a complex maze of shift
and meta keys to get to them.  To enter Kanji, you type the phonetic phrase that
sounds like the character you want, then choose the selections the computer comes
up with.  It makes typing much more interactive.

Note:  I don't know Japanese, so I may have made errors with regard to the language.
I've worked in Japan enough to hate the keyboards.  I hate it when a little thing
comes up in Japanese on the screen saying that the keyboard is in Kanji mode
now.  It took me a while to learn to pattern match the characters for "English",
"Kanji", "Upper case" and "Lower case".

	J

--
jeremy@sw.oz.au ph:+61 2 698 2322-x122 fax:+61 2 699 9174
I have, however, taken liberties with the barber pole.
From: koos@kzdoos.hacktic.nl (koos van den hout)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: hacking too long
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:16:13 GMT
Organization: HIN / BBS Koos z'n Doos
NewsSoftware: Rnf 0.7b

sbakerjr@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:

>I was looking for a street in the local road directory and it suddenly
>occurred to me that it would be a brilliant idea to include a ^Qf function 
>in street directories.
>
>Turbo C users may understand...

Users of _any_ wordstar compatible editor, such as Turbo *, Qedit and a whole
ton more.

Talking of Turbo C, some time ago I was telnetted to a VAX editing a document
in LaTeX. When it was time to run it through LaTeX, I simply pressed Ctrl-F9...
Before that I was doing a lot of programming using Turbo C...

                                        Grtx. KH

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