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From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:47:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.164655.26788@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.000830.20013@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>>No one has said that we riders rely on p-vision as the sole or even primary
>>method of information acquisition.  The fact that some hazards approach quickly
>>from the side, combined with the obvious advantage of having the widest field
>>of view possible (surely you'll not argue that too much vision is bad), is the
>>prop used to support the rationalization.
>
>The question is, is the benefit really great enough to offset the risk of not
>wearing one? You certainly don't lose any more then you would with the roof
>pillars on cars (and I would say a lot less), and we all know that there are
>more bike accidents per vehicle than car accidents, so there is not a rash of
>accidents due to losing some peripheral vision, so is the extra infomation
>worth the risk of having no head protection should you go down? 

This reminds me of an old, bad joke.  At a meeting of parents concerned
about the effect of television on their youngsters, somebody says "I'd
rather my children saw sex than violence!"  Somebody replies "Why can't
we have both?"  (George Martin's joke - he goes on with it, "I like to
see naked people beating the hell out of each other!")

Why do we have to make this choice (peripheral vision vs. helmet use)?
My BMW System II has a much wider viewport than most brands.  System N's
are no longer available in this country so I've been looking for an
alternative.  After finding another brand that actually fit (Arai just
came out with an XXL - thanks to Pete Ecclesine for pointing this out to
me), I compared this very factor.  The Arai cut about five degrees, each
side, from my peripheral vision as compared to the System II.  Otherwise,
it seemed like a very nice helmet.  [I got some curious stares as I stood
in the store, helmeted, waving my index finger near my head.]

I don't give a damn about studies or dictionary definitions of peripheral
vision.  In my own experience, in high-density freeway driving and city
survival, I greatly value my peripheral vision, including that which I
get from moving my eyes.  Yes, I always wear a helmet, and would do so
even if it were not the (cursed) law.  That is not the issue.  I would
like to know why helmet manufacturers cannot widen the viewports so
that peripheral vision is not compromised in any way.  BMW (Schubert)
seems to be capable of it, why can't the other quality brands do so?

You may now resume your silly flamefest about two completely unrelated
issues.  :-)


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: *** The Triumph Name ***
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:40:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
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datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:


>BTW, I rode to Hinckley on Sunday (15th of Nov, '92) to ogle the Triumph 
>factory.  I was going to take a piccy too.  I was very disappointed.  I don't 
>know what I was expecting, but all it was was a large industrial type unit
>with a lot of smoked glass frontage and security cameras.  There wasn't even
>a badge or name on the main building front.  It was listed on the map of the
>estate as J S Bloor, and it was very Blooring.  Apparently they are going to
>expand as there was a J S Bloor sign on a vacant bit of land to the left of 
>the building.

Word is that you go to your local Trumpy dealer, and he/she/it can arrange 
a tour of the inside.  They use all the latest computerised CNC gee-whizzery,
so no idea if that rings your chimes or not, but as you are at least on the
same side of the planet, it might be worth an afternoon.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Zebee Johnstone  DoD #605   | You don't own an Italian motorcycle 
     Adelaide City Council       |  - you merely have the privilege 
    zebee@itd.adelaide.edu.au    |    of paying its bills.... 
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From: ltp@uswest.com (Halfman-Halfmachine)
Subject: Re: High speed in USA?
Keywords: Don't get caught.
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:25:55 GMT

In article <9901080@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>
>I wish that were the case in Colorado.  I received a ticket for 70 in a 55
>on Saturday.  If he'd dropped the speed by 6mph, I'd be $40 richer and have
>one less point.  The guy had no mercy.  

That cop probably figured you were just one of a vast majority of brain dead
morons in minivans (with screaming kids in tow) and that it would be pointless
to even listen to you. Maybe Jeff could sell the cage, dress in his best moto
outfit for court, and claim he was framed. That he dosen't even own anything
with 4 wheels is proof!

-- 
Larry T. Paine   ltp@advtech.uswest.com   (303)541-6148
   DoD 789   
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From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Helmet Cleaning
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:06:49 GMT

In article <212.201.uupcb@filebank.cts.com> robert.laszko@filebank.cts.com (Robert Laszko) writes:
>
>Maybe I'm being an old lady about this - but I treat my lid like a fine 
>piece of china.
>
  Then I guess the dishwasher's dead out.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:41:28 CST
From: <U11303@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Squash or slide? (Kill switches)
Distribution: world

In article <c5XNuB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca>, emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca says:
>
><U11303@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>
>No, it probably won't go anywhere (unless the throttle gets stuck open).
>It might, however, do serious damage to the engine if it runs without
>oil, or gets ground off cases mixed into the oil system while it's
>running.
>
>
>Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | I don't wanna pickle,
>emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG


You have a point.  I have engine quards which work quite well.

--------
Mark Komosa       u11303@uicvm.uic.edu        DoD #0791        CB700SC
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From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:57:23 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Nov20.203254.2813@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>Have you ever ridden without a helmet?

The question wasn't directed to me but yes, for several years.  I choose to
wear a helmet now--in IL we still have a choice.

>You might be suprised at what your engine really sounds like.

The same as with a helmet but a little louder.

>Ever have an experienced biker tell you your #3 exhaust valve
>is clattering?

Yes, and I had heard it earlier with my helmet.  On my CX that would be the
left exhaust valve on the right side.  What he didn't realize was the intake
was making more noise ;-)



-- 
Chas                         DoD #7769

"Oh, how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?"
                                               - Firesign Theatre
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Rear Brake Pedal Sticks
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:30:57 GMT

In article <johnr.721700733@mik.uky.edu> johnr@nx29.mik.uky.edu (john s roberts) writes:
>I have a 1985 Honda Shadow 500cc and the rear brake lever sticks in
>the down postision whenever I press it down.  I was just dering if
>anyone had any suggestions for fixing this problem before my front 
>break goes out.

Something, somewhere needs to be lubed. It's either on the pedal end
(on the pivot), or you have a sticky caliper/ drum cables. Does the brake
release, or does it stick too? What does this have to do with your front
brake?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:23:28 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


	While in a Honda Dealership I came across a CBX 6 cylinder MC.
What other inline 6's are out there...flying V-6's???

				Ryan

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From: mikej@mikej.mentorg.com (Mike Johnson)
Subject: AeroStich Arrived
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:43:17 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

I wasn't going to keep the AeroStich string going but it is coming
up in the Rain Suit and Passenger strings anyway so here is $.02.

Mine arrived on 11-10 about a week ago.  So these are first impressions.

1.  It is *well* made.  I am very impressed with the craftmanship.  I
have not looked at all the seams, and there are lots, but I will.  However
this is one impressive garment.

2. It is not as warm as my TourMaster insulated suit.  No supprize here
the Aero is uninsulated.  It is however wind proof.  The TourMaster had
drafts at the wrists where the knit cuff is and the knit expansion panel
behind the sholders.  I have enough room that I wear a down vest and am
comfortable in the fog and 40 degree weather we are having in Portland.
(Note I am riding a Goldwing 25 miles on the freeway at 5:30 am.)

3.  Going home the first day it was raining so hard it was hard to see.
The TourMaster which makes no claim as to water protection would have
acted like a big sponge.  The Aero worked wonders.  My daughter had
to remind me to move off the rug when I went into the house because I
forgot I was wet.

4.  The Aero is very stiff when new.  It came with 5 pages of instructions
and one said that it would soften up with age.  That will be nice as I
have to do some unnatural acts to mount the bike the way it is now.  (Yes
I know mounting a bike is an unnatural act, just go with it.)

5.  The reflective strips really work.  I had the suit standing up in the
corner of the den.  When I turned off the lights for the night it scared
hell out of me.  The glow caught my eye and there was this person standing
in the room.  Like I said it is stiff at first.

6.  I very much like the protection (or feeling of protection) I get when
riding with it.  It reminded me of my younger days on the dirt.  I went
much faster wearing leathers than jeans.  As I am 20 years older I now
just have a much better feeling on the bike.

7.  If Goldwings and Aerostich suits are were you go to die it might not
be that bad.

      Mike Cleaning_His_Bifocals_and_getting_back_to_work Johnson
                      mikej@wv.mentorg.com
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From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Motowear Update ...
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.115610.1285@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>I'm inclined to think the cordura probably does as much for the Aero's 
>waterproofing as the Grotex. My experience of Grotex is that its very good
>as long as you dont actually use it outdoors or anything. I have tried to
>do this often in seroius conditions and failed regularly. I was talking to 

I have a pair of leather boots with Gortex which I have worn in the rain
for extended periods of time.  I have never gotten wet feet with these on
(except when the rain soaked my jeans and the water ran down into my boots).
I will say the the boots also did a pretty nice job of keeping all of the
water in to facilitate the water logging of my feet.

I think a quality construction is of primary importance.  Gortex for the 
masses is means trouble to begin with. YMMV

Fishnet

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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: Engine "Blueprinting"?
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.145051.10248@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>I have heard the term "blueprinting", as applied to engine
>rebuilds many times, without comprehension, but now, as I am 
>working on getting a crankshaft rebuild on my RZ, I find I may 
>need to know what it means.  Wassit?

Everything is matched and balanced. Tolerances from the factory are taking
away.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
GSXR1100 - RD350LCN - XR250R
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Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:05:23 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <BxvKzz.2n1@apollo.hp.com>, brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady)
wrote:
> 
> Recently I've been thinking about taking a long distance solo ride -- a ride to
> Alaska from my home in New Hampshire. I'd ride the Trans-Alaska Hwy through
> Canada[...]

A friend of mine rode his full-dress Harley Soft Tail through Alaska two
years ago and cursed much of the way.  He said he would have purchased a
BMW PD for double it's value just to get through Alaska.
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From: tbb@sumac02.cray.com (Todd Blachowiak)
Subject: Re: Long winter's nap . . .
Originator: tbb@sumac02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:34:13 CST


(Jason "crash" Molenda) writes:
> 
> Dear Wrek.Moto Readers, 
> 
> I would like to take this opportunity to debunk these most henious
> statments made by a one Todd `Debbie-doin' Bla-cow-a-we-ack.

 Fellow wreeking-dot-motor peoples,

  Jason is correct, I was a little harsh on his duct tape special. I must
  not be so hard on a bike that can exhale exhaust out the airbox and still
  run. As a matter of fact, I should admire a bike with 3000 mile maintenance
  intervals that can go 28,000 miles before being looked at. Yes, I feel
  great shame in making fun of your bike Jason. Consider this a confession.
  Oh BTW, have you gotten the Clapper(tm) hooked up into the ignition yet.
  "Clap on, Clap off,.....the Clapper" or are you still toggle switching it?
 
> I am now seeing a professional therapist to remedy the
> psychological scars incurred and will be sending Todd the bill.

 Just NOW seeing a therapist? Come on Jason, we know better than that.

> Also let it be known that Todd drives a big red truck and hasn't ridden
> his bike in weeks.

 Not true! I have a little red truck.


-- 
Take care,

Todd Blachowiak
KotD #0004
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: 350->750 Riddle
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:47:52 GMT

Jorg Klinger (klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
:   A personal experience.
: About twelve years ago my SO and I went on our first major road trip.
: First week in June on an H2 from Winnipeg to Vancouver island. We bought 
: the cheapest PVC rainsuits money could buy and they shreded themselves in
: the sleet and ice of the Run to the Sun pass (Sp) in Montana. In
: Kalispell we went to a mall to buy rain gear but all we could find were
: rubber hip waiters. All they had was size medium which was too small but
: standing in the store I felt I could endure them until we could find
: some real rain suits. I didn't understand the consequence of the crotch
: being down around my knees until I got on the bike. I was OK while in
: the riding position but I had to strain to put my feet down and then
: lock my knees at stops. As soon as I unlocked my knees my leggs would
: snap back up. Great entertainment for everyone. Green rubber hip
: waiters, shredded clear $2.00 PVC jackets, we were the most pathetic
: bikers ever.
: 
:   Oh, and one of the injector lines had debris in it so I had to run
: premix as well just in case. No tailgaters on the whole trip.
: 
:    Jorg Klinger

Hey, I can identify with this picture!  I have had days/trips like this where
everything seems/did go wrong.  Funny thing is though, they make the best 
stories and memories and you remember them fondly.  I have many memories of 
trips that were "adventurous".  Without them, life would be so boring....


Nick (the Mishap-ridden Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Oxford Concise


M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: morin@noao.edu (Marg Morin)
Subject: Re: Help a beginner
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson AZ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:17:20 GMT

In article <If2K9Uq00iV0I4acAC@andrew.cmu.edu> Karin Brennan <kb4c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Here's the deal:
>I am interested in buying a motorcycle (used), but I don't what to ask,
>lookfor, or avoid.  If you have any suggestions for a beginner It would
>be greatly appreciated.  Send mail to me.
>
>Thanks!
>Karin

First, I suggest you call 'Discover Today's Motorcycling' 1-800-833-3995.

When I first started out, the sent me some pamphlets describing the
different motorcycle types, styles and functions. It was very informative.

They can also give you the phone number for the Motorcycle Safety
Foundation (MSF) in your area, for driving lessons (if you need it).

That's my $.02 ... Good luck.

-- 
 The Seeker		peace to those who come in peace 
 (morin@noao.edu)	    pity to those who don't 
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: *** The Triumph Name ***
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:11:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152849.3979@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>Well, that about sums it up.
>
>I _want_ a Triumph.
>
>BTW, I rode to Hinckley on Sunday (15th of Nov, '92) to ogle the Triumph 
>factory.  I was going to take a piccy too.  I was very disappointed.  I don't 
>know what I was expecting, but all it was was a large industrial type unit
>with a lot of smoked glass frontage and security cameras.  There wasn't even
>a badge or name on the main building front.  It was listed on the map of the
>estate as J S Bloor, and it was very Blooring.  Apparently they are going to
>expand as there was a J S Bloor sign on a vacant bit of land to the left of 
>the building.

Oh, so he's using the "Bloor" alias again, eh?

Just a word to the wise:  Lest ye be caught purchasing a motorcycle
of legendary (nay, Biblical) distemper, be forewarned what
the "J S" in "J S Bloor" actually means:

		Julian Spagthorpe




Ah, real motorcycles again.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: marrevola@iris-dcp.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How long for a DoD?
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:21:55 +0100
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

In article <kf0lIlC00YUnEyUsZl@andrew.cmu.edu>, Jyri Virkki <jyri+@CMU.EDU> writes:
> marrevola@iris-dcp.es writes:
>> DoD guys, How long the KotL for a DoD?
>> 
> 
> Well, it is largely dependent on how busy the DoDThugs are.
> 
> Or did you think you get it just by asking?
> 

Never. I've done everything that is needed to be a DoD.
It was a misspelled ..... that made it last longer.
Now, I'm DoD #1033.
Cheers,

manolo@taf.fundesco.es
ZX-11
DR-600-S
DoD #1033
(I promise to make a .sig file


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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: talking heads, er, helmets (was: Re: HLMETS
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:53:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.223459.6853@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>
>Yes, I can carry on a conversation with a helmet.

Can I watch?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FORTUNE magazine profiles Hells Angels
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:40:22 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


Anyone else see the five page article in FORTUNE
magazine (V. 126, No. 12, Nov. 30, 1992) on the
business aspects of the Hells Angels motorcycle club?

Fortune says:
     
     The feds believe the Hells Angels and the other
     large outlaw gangs earn up to $1 billion a year
     worldwide from drug dealing, prostitution,
     gunrunning, theft, extortion, and murder.
     That's far less than La Cosa Nostra, which takes 
     in an estimated $50 billion annually in the U.S., 
     but the outlaw bike gangs are more vibrant and growing 
     faster.

What I found most interesting is the structure (according to FORTUNE)
of the ride.  There's a drawing of a bunch of bikers on the road.
The first two are labeled "President" and "Road Captain" then there
are a bunch of people in a group labeled "Full color-wearing members" 
(with the next to the last person named "Sergeant-at-arms") then 
another group labeled "Probationary members" then a third group 
labeled "Associates or honorary members" then two final people 
labeled "Enforcer" and "Assistant Road Captain".  A crash truck 
follows 1 1/2 to 2 miles behind.

The caption for the drawing says:

     Check you rear view mirror.  So-called runs to bike rallies 
     and parties remain a most important ritual for outlaws.  The 
     Angels and other clubs impose this strict hierarchical order 
     and map out routes in advance.

"Mapping out routes in advance" - they make it sound so sinister,
yet I do it when I travel any distance whether in a car or on the bike.

This sounds too structured to me.  Anyone have any first hand
experience about this.  Are the "rides" really that structured?


-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:39:52 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Nov15.140906.10573@news.arc.nasa.gov>,
howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov12.195442.7180@spdc.ti.com>, crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
> ...For me, the best *safety* features of a helmet
> |> are the things it does to help keep me *out* of accidents.  These   
> |> include:
> |> 	     Shedding wind, rain, rocks, bugs
> |> 	     Reducing noise fatigue

Ah, rethink the wind-noise issue.  It's likely that most helmets
still admit enough noise to cause permanent hearing loss if you
ride over 30mph.  Excellent article concerning this available.
(Thanks to a MN DoDer who sent it to me.  I would be happy to
copy and forward it.)
From: sievertl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lisa Sieverts)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:19:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Helmet Cleaning
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

It's too late for you, but others might want to try the "Texas Headskin"
liner.  It's a cotton cap that you wear over your hear and under your
helmet.  A lot easier to wash than a helmet liner.  Also serves to keep
long hair tucked into the helmet.


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Lisa Sieverts                                        sievertl@corp.hp.com
DoD#511
                          '86 Yamaha Radian 600

no wonder america is in such bad state, americans can post but not read
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