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From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: MD Governer wins APTA award
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu

The following article appeared in the September 28th. issue of Passenger  
Transport, Copyright 1992, American Public Transit Association.  It  
acknowledges the achievments of Schaefer in advancing public  
transportation in MD, and making it a model for the nation.

"Governer Schaefer To Receive Award, Address Delegates"

     Maryland Gov. William Donald Schaefer, a national leader in promoting  
modern urban public transportation for the people of his state, will be  
receiving APTA's State Distinguished Service Award and will also be  
speaking at the closing of General Session at APTA's Annual Meeting in  
Sand Diego.
     The Annual Meeting kicks offi in less than three weeks on Sunday,  
Oct. 18, and continues through Wednesday, Oct. 21.
     Gov. Schaefer, now serving in his second term as governer after four  
terms as the mayor of Baltimore, led the way for the development of  
Baltimore's new Central Corridor Light Rail Line.  He will recieve his  
award at the Tuesday morning Grand Awards Breakfast.
     The governer will address the Wednesday afternoon General Session  
...
     In addition to getting the light rail system built in under three  
years, the governer has also streamlined rail passenger service in  
Maryland by comining the adminstration of the State Railroad  
Administration with the Mass Transit Administration.  In the past five  
years, commuter rail ridership on MARC trains have grown from 6,000 to  
18,000 daily.
     Schaefer also worked to ensure the completion of the last segment of  
the Baltimore Metro system, which will be completed in late 1994.

Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: whitmeye@den.mmc.com (Richard Whitmeyer 865-8497)
Subject: Re: Right To/Not To Recycle
Originator: whitmeye@surf
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:03:39 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.110857.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Sep23.222752.25506@leland.Stanford.EDU>, agammnon@leland.Stanford.EDU (David John Hauri) writes:
|> > Pre-Script P.S. Greenpeace probably does lie -- they're a bunch of conservative
|> > 	bureaucrats, so why not?  :)
|> 
|> Since when has Greenpeace ever been anything other than a far left terrorist
|> organization?
|> --Ray Cote
|> 
Ray, you're skewed again. When you experience real terror, you'll realize
that Greenpeace is an activist organization. I recommend you travel to Peru,
and tell the Shinning Path they should get advisory help from Greenpeace.
Then insult them. Don't waste money on a round trip ticket, one way should
be all you'll need.

Does the University know you're sneaking in after hours and using the
equipment meant for the students and staff?

Rich Whitmeyer

ps I'd bet you'd have more fun on the net if you'd stay in the group
alt.destroy.the.earth.
  
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,sci.environment
From: jon@oas.stanford.edu (Jon Claerbout)
Subject: Re: HELP ME... styrofoam cups.
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:05:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.204214.10213@bcrka451.bnr.ca> isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton) writes:
>
>	At my work place several people drink coffee from styrofoam cups.  This produces a lot of waste.  If I could get some information from anyone on the negative aspects of using such cups
>	Any information will do.  Statistics...

I am enjoying reading, "Rubbish! the Archeology of Garbage",
by William Rathje and Cullen Murphy, 1992, Harper Collins.

After sorting 19 tons of garbage from many landfills,
they report (p 97) that all fast food packaging including styrofoam
amounted to less than 0.5 % (a half percent) the total.
This book has lots of other interesting stuff about garbage.
Will help you identify what the real problems are.
Cheers,
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Right To/Not To Recycle
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:08:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.222752.25506@leland.Stanford.EDU>, agammnon@leland.Stanford.EDU (David John Hauri) writes:
> Pre-Script P.S. Greenpeace probably does lie -- they're a bunch of conservative
> 	bureaucrats, so why not?  :)

Since when has Greenpeace ever been anything other than a far left terrorist
organization?
--Ray Cote

Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: whitmeye@den.mmc.com (Richard Whitmeyer)
Subject: Re: Recycling
Originator: whitmeye@surf
Organization: MMAG, VAFB
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:38:08 GMT


In article <1992Oct2.111259.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
|> It seems to me that recycling is not only more expensive, but that it puts
|> people out of work.  To what end? To solve a crisis that probably doesn't
|> exist.
|> --Ray Cote

If you think recycling is of no value, then don't.
Don't recycle your socks. Throw them away daily! Think of the jobs.
Don't recycle your school books. Throw them away too. Don't you dare
sell them to anyone next semester. Practice what you preach.

Do you get it yet?

For myself, tomorrow I'm taking my sons to the aluminum recycler.
They will drop off about 30 lbs of cans. They will also split about
$30 between them. On the way home, Graeme, Lowell and I will enjoy
three terrific chocolate milkshakes. Thanks to you, I will enjoy the
outting even more.
Oh, by the way, when we're done, they will wash and re-use those glasses.

Rich Whitmeyer

ps  Just a parting shot; Please stop recycling other peoples antisocial,
antiquated, reactionary and plain stupid ideas. Create your own.
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: @@@@ Mass killings @@@@
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:18:59 GMT

In article <92Sep21141948533215@delta.il.us>, 4f@delta.il.us writes:
  
> You may have noticed that I am posting this anonymously.  The reason
> for this is that I don't want to get snuffed out by the CIA.
>  
> Thank you,
> A concerned citizen

If war trials had already taken place, why would the CIA want to silence you? 
The obvious logical contradiction here leads me to believe that maybe this
story is a complete lie, the intent of which is to make the military look bad.
--Ray Cote
From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Recycling
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:06:23 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct2.111259.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
writes:

> It seems to me that recycling is not only more expensive,
> but that it puts people out of work.

=o= Recycling is labor-intensive activity, and thus does *not*
put people out of work.  Collecting recyclables from consumers
is as much a job as collecting them from, say, forests or mines.
    <_Jym_>
__
 I want to show you an optimistic sign that things are beginning 
 to turn around.
       -- Vice President Dan Quayle trying to convince reporters 
          that the economy was doing better because a 
          Burger King had a 'now hiring' sign in the window.
          He was campaigning for reelection in Ontario, CA
          in January 1992.
 You have a part-time job and that's better to no job at all
       -- Vice President Dan Quayle after the manager of the 
          Burger King had said that the jobs offered were part-time 
          minimum wage jobs, which didn't pay enough to live on, 
          and that 'It's hard to find people who want to actually 
          show up for the job.'
.
Xref: sparky alt.save.the.earth:1242 sci.environment:11750
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,sci.environment
Subject: Re: HELP ME... styrofoam cups.
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:06:20 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Oct4.060521.17762@morrow.stanford.edu> jon@oas.stanford.edu (Jon Claerbout) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.204214.10213@bcrka451.bnr.ca> isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton) writes:
>>
>>	At my work place several people drink coffee from styrofoam cups.  This produces a lot of waste.  If I could get some information from anyone on the negative aspects of using such cups
>>	Any information will do.  Statistics...
>
>I am enjoying reading, "Rubbish! the Archeology of Garbage",
>by William Rathje and Cullen Murphy, 1992, Harper Collins.
>
>After sorting 19 tons of garbage from many landfills,
>they report (p 97) that all fast food packaging including styrofoam
>amounted to less than 0.5 % (a half percent) the total.
>This book has lots of other interesting stuff about garbage.
>Will help you identify what the real problems are.
>Cheers,

So why not stop the disposal of a material that may be the problem of the future.
I know what book you are talking about, and have seen an educational piece on the
"archeological digs into dumps in Canada", the findings really rest on what era
you are looking at, as you descend down into the garbage layers.

One interesting note- newspaper was some time ago the worst offender in terms
of being in landfills... and it shows a significant drop as one looked at newer
and newer garbage.  It shows what effects recycling can produce.

Styrofoam- if my memory serves me, and please someone correct me, can and does 
release chemical contaminants.

But my bottom line on this is; We should aviod as much as possible the continual 
burial of materials.  Most of which come from disposible products that have a
short useful life.
From: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Recycling
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:57:21 GMT
Reply-To: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Organization: lbl
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.154

In article <Jym.6Oct1992.0906@naughty-peahen.org>, Jym Dyer
<jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
|> In article <1992Oct2.111259.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
|> writes:
|> 
|> > It seems to me that recycling is not only more expensive,
|> > but that it puts people out of work.
|> 
|> =o= Recycling is labor-intensive activity, and thus does *not*
|> put people out of work.  Collecting recyclables from consumers
|> is as much a job as collecting them from, say, forests or mines.
|>     <_Jym_>

This reminds me of the old story about someone being chastized for
littering to which he (and statistically, it usually is a he, I believe)
responds "Hey, it creates jobs" (for the litter collecters that is).
If 'creating jobs' was always a good thing to do, wouldn't we all end
up working 100 hours/week?  I certainly think that recycling is (usually)
a good idea, but if it resulted in jobs being lost, that would probably
just indicate that it was even more cost-effective, which is generally
understood to be good.

I realize that many people have no work, or not enough for their needs,
but in the long-run, I hope and expect that what is good for the
environment will allow us all to work less, with the same standard
of living.  Now THAT would be progress!

Bruce Nordman
B_Nordman@lbl.gov
From: Western Ancient Forest Campaign <wafcdc@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Date: 25 Sep 92 06:58 PDT
Subject: Re: Greenpeace's lies
Nf-ID: #R:1992Sep18.105555.1@woods.ulowell:-1012634075:cdp:1310900021:000:194
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!wafcdc    Sep 25 06:58:00 1992


Your facts are skewed, but your taste in magazines is impeccable, perhaps you too would like to be a mercenary, or do you prefer the slaughter of intelligant beings to satisfy our own desires?


Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,sci.environment
From: conroym@news.colorado.edu (Matthew Conroy)
Subject: Re: HELP ME... styrofoam cups.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:27:21 GMT

In article <1at9lsINNs22@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () writes:
>
>One interesting note- newspaper was some time ago the worst offender in terms
>of being in landfills... and it shows a significant drop as one looked at newer
>and newer garbage.  It shows what effects recycling can produce.
                     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Is this definitely the reason? Perhaps people are just
not reading newspapers as much, at least in proportion
to the rest of the trash they make...

Is this 'significant drop' in the total amount of newspaper, or in the
percentage of trash in the land fill made up of newspapers?

matt


Xref: sparky alt.save.the.earth:1240 sci.environment:11729
From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,sci.environment
Subject: Re: HELP ME... styrofoam cups.
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:49:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Oct5.204950.4630
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct2.204214.10213@bcrka451.bnr.ca> isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton) writes:
>
>Dear readers:
>
>
>	At my work place several people drink coffee from styrofoam cups.  This produces a lot of waste.  If I could get some information from anyone on the negative aspects of using such cups I could post it here and hopefully convince people to bring their own mugs.
>
>	Any information will do.  Statistics on waste.  Any chemicals in producing cups that may be harmful.  etc, etc.
>

Styrofoam is a big problem in areas where electronic products are
being manufactured or tested (as in a lab) because of the amount
of electro-static discharge (ESD) that styrofoam can generate.
(ESD can ruin devices used in electronic circuits.)

Some electronics firms ban the use of styrofoam on ESD grounds.


-- 
     Jim Lacey  --  my own opinions    
     email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
     D'ou venons-nous? Que sommes-nous? Ou allons-nous?
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,sci.environment
From: mw6c@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (May  Wang)
Subject: Re: HELP ME... styrofoam cups.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:51:34 GMT

The use of styrofoam cups can be avoided.  One major
contributing factor of wasteful cups is the lack of a sink and cleaning
supplies.  I used to work in a major hotel corporation and the
workers all brought their own coffee and drinking cups.
The office workers suggested to the bigwigs of the company to 
install a sink so they could bring their own cups and not
accumulate as much trash around the office.  There is enough
mess with creamers, filters, and other additives, that more
styrofoams cups makes the waste even more disgusting.  The
cleaning supplies made the office look and smell a lot
cleaner.  If the sink ides doesn't work, how about the restroom
sink?  Convert it so people can clean their cups also.  Hope
this helps your problem.

May Wang
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,talk.environment
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Greenpeace's lies
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:54:19 GMT

In article <1310900021@igc.apc.org>, wafcdc@igc.apc.org (Western Ancient Forest Campaign) writes:
> 
> Your facts are skewed, but your taste in magazines is impeccable, perhaps you
> too would like to be a mercenary, or do you prefer the slaughter of 
> intelligant [sic] beings to satisfy our own desires?

I was merely reprinting the story, and yes my taste in magazines is impeccable. 
I have no real desire to become a mercenary, although there's nothing wrong
with that proffession.  I don't want the slaughter of people, yet in war people
die.  I accept this as a fact of life.  How are my facts skewed?
--Ray Cote
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,talk.environment
From: isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton)
Subject: HELP ME... styrofoam cups.
Reply-To: isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:42:14 GMT


Dear readers:


	At my work place several people drink coffee from styrofoam cups.  This produces a lot of waste.  If I could get some information from anyone on the negative aspects of using such cups I could post it here and hopefully convince people to bring their own mugs.

	Any information will do.  Statistics on waste.  Any chemicals in producing cups that may be harmful.  etc, etc.

	Thank you for your help.

-todd. (environmentalist at heart)

Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Recycling
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:12:59 GMT

It seems to me that recycling is not only more expensive, but that it puts
people out of work.  To what end? To solve a crisis that probably doesn't
exist.
--Ray Cote
From: gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: want periodical list
Summary: looking for addresses of emusic periodicals
Keywords: periodicals addresses request
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:57:17 GMT
Reply-To: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

A hard disk crash cost me my list of periodical addresses and
editor names.  Does anyone have one that could be emailed to
me?  I also lost my list of MIDI-oriented software shops.

Any help would be appreciated.

__________________________________________________________
Greg Bryant                                 (512) 795-0323
Delta Music Systems                             Austin, TX
INET: gregb@pro-lep.cts.com
ARPA: wixer!pro-lep!gregb@cs.utexas.edu
Just consulting.   Not an employee.   Not representing IBM
From: dwrinkle@vax1.umkc.edu (--DJ Revolution--)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Samplers
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:03:18 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Yo, I was wondering if there are any of you who do a lot of sampling,
I do some but with cheap 8 bit equipment, and I am ready to move to
16-bit, I would like to know what is available in the 16-bit market
for my needs, essentially I need something portable enough to take
to performances, something that can take long samples(up to a max of
maybe 10 seconds) and loop multiple samples and form makeshift 'songs'...
plus it should have quite a bit of memory... and I would like it
to be somewhat fast so I can load these 'songs' in a matter of seconds,
if that is possible... It also should be multitimbral with separate outputs.
And as for price, I would like to not have to spend more than 5,000 on it.
Anybody have any ideas...
-- 


See Ya'
DJ Revolution [CONTINUUM MUSIC]
Believe Dat' 
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
From: jneil@panix.com (John Neilson)
Subject: Re: Samplers
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:49:05 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Sep29.150318.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dwrinkle@vax1.umkc.edu (--DJ Revolution--) writes:

>Yo, I was wondering if there are any of you who do a lot of sampling,
>I do some but with cheap 8 bit equipment, and I am ready to move to
>16-bit, I would like to know what is available in the 16-bit market
>for my needs, essentially I need something portable enough to take
>to performances, something that can take long samples(up to a max of
>maybe 10 seconds) and loop multiple samples and form makeshift 'songs'...
>plus it should have quite a bit of memory... and I would like it
>to be somewhat fast so I can load these 'songs' in a matter of seconds,
>if that is possible... It also should be multitimbral with separate outputs.
>And as for price, I would like to not have to spend more than 5,000 on it.
>Anybody have any ideas...
>-- 

I have a Casio FZ-20M, the SCSI-equipped version of the FZ-10M, which in
turn is the rack-mount version of the FZ-1.  It's 16-bit, and will 
record up to 29 seconds of very clean samples at full bandwidth.  It got
very good marks for sound in the big Keyboard Magazine sampler survey
a year or two back.

It's not the easiest sampler to use -- there's a lot of button-pushing
required to get around on it -- but once you get the hang of it it's not
that difficult. It has a fairly large LCD window that displays waveforms
graphically, which makes it easy to find good loop points.  And the SCSI
port means you can use a MAC-compatible hard drive or Syquest drive
to load a full memory in a matter of seconds.  (Unlike some machines,
however, you cannot use the SCSI port to transfer samples directly to
and from a MAC).

This machine was closed out about a year ago, but at least in NYC I see
them second hand for around $1000-1200 pretty often.  If however, you 
have up to $5000 to spend you might rather go for one of the more
'standard' machines like the AKAI S-1000 or an Emax.

-JN
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Samplers
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:46:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

acoggins@bird.Princeton.EDU (Adam Cody Coggins) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.150318.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dwrinkle@vax1.umkc.edu (--DJ Revolution--) writes:

>The basic advantage of using a computer as opposed to a dedicated
>machine is that
>there is new software coming out all the time, the existing software
>is usually very flexible, and that you can write your own software if
>you need to.

The obvious disadvantage: if you want to MIDI-control other gear with your
computer, it's easier to have a separate sampler (that can also be
MIDI-controlled of course). Even on a multitasking machine it's no peanuts to
have your sequencer and your sample-playback program synchronized... On
a non-multitasking machine it's impossible of course :)
If you *only* want to use samples, well...

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra                            hjv@phil.ruu.nl
Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence
From: acoggins@bird.Princeton.EDU (Adam Cody Coggins)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Samplers
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:51:19 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Sep29.150318.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dwrinkle@vax1.umkc.edu (--DJ Revolution--) writes:
>Yo, I was wondering if there are any of you who do a lot of sampling,
>I do some but with cheap 8 bit equipment, and I am ready to move to
>16-bit, I would like to know what is available in the 16-bit market
>for my needs, essentially I need something portable enough to take
>to performances, something that can take long samples(up to a max of
>maybe 10 seconds) and loop multiple samples and form makeshift 'songs'...
>plus it should have quite a bit of memory... and I would like it
>to be somewhat fast so I can load these 'songs' in a matter of seconds,
>if that is possible... It also should be multitimbral with separate outputs.
>And as for price, I would like to not have to spend more than 5,000 on it.
>Anybody have any ideas...
>-- 
I don't know too much about what's available, but I would recommend
looking at multi-purpose computers as well as specialized
sampling/synthesis equipment.  For example, I've done some
music on a NeXT computer where I made samples and then used software
(like "RT" and the "Common Music" program "MixSounds") to string
these samples together into musical pieces.  On such a system,
you can also modify the samples before playing them back--
filtering, adding reverb/echo, changing volume levels,reversing
samples,
changing pitch and/or tempo, etc.  You also have access to sythesis
in addition to sampling.

I don't know whether these systems use 8 or 16 bit samples.  The
sampling
rate on a NeXT can match or exceed CD rates, so the sound quality tends
to be good.  There is a lot of free music software available for the
NeXT.  I would check out Mac and IBM-clone capabilities too--
these would probably cost less.

The basic advantage of using a computer as opposed to a dedicated
machine is that
there is new software coming out all the time, the existing software
is usually very flexible, and that you can write your own software if
you need to.

- Cody Coggins <acoggins@phoenix.princeton.edu>