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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Richard Sinclair US tour(s)? 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:43:57 GMT

>Michael Bloom told me: 
>> Richard Sinclair is coming next month to do a solo acoustic tour, to kinda
>> test the waters for a proposed Caravan of Dreams tour next year! The date
>> in Boston is Tuesday, December 15. 

Still tentative but a list of 12 show dates is due in a day or so, with
it starting in Kansas City and hitting the West Coast and then the 
east. The boston date is supposed to be the last of 12 dates, so I suspect
Philly and New York will be a few days before that. Keep your fingers 
crossed in the hopes that this comes through, and that it's successful
enough for Sinclair to bring the whole Caravan of Dreams band over
early next year. 

I have no financial interests in this, I'm just a rabid fan drooling
at the idea of seeing Sinclair live....

  - malcolm  
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Yes New Album Questions
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:27:13 GMT

In article <By5w5C.74C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius)  
writes:
> 
> * The Yes lineup's now Squire/Wakeman/Anderson/White/Kaye/Rabin

Ugh. No Bruford? No Howe?

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From: borella@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:43:12 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Nov20.021656.25072@viewlogic.com> josh@viewlogic.com (Josh Marantz) writes:
>One of the many things that, IMHO, sets Yes apart from other excellent
>bands in this era and others is how rewarding it is to learn the
>subtler aspects and sounds of many of their songs.  South Side of the
>Sky is a good example of this, especially the piano/drum counterpoint
>in the middle section of the song, and the melodic repeating piano
>figure dissolving into the blistering guitar.  I never figured out
>why they never did that song live (at least on my bootlegs, or my
>concert experience beginning in '83).

They played on one of the Relayer tours.  76 I believe (with moraz,
not Wakeman!)

>Yes has so many great qualities (catchy melodies, amazing
>instrumentation, intricate counterpoints, textures and rhythms, and

Just for the hell of it, can anyone point out which songs have
counterpoints?  The only one I can think of off the top of my head is
Astral Traveller, though its been a while since I've listened to Yes.

-Mike
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From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: Re: Genesis
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:11:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.102550.21682@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.231533.9658@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:
> >IMHO, the Genesis mutation occurred with the release of _And Then There
> >Were Three_ in 1977. 
> 
> And Hackett's first solo album was an absolute stunner eh?
>                                                        ^^^

Michael,

	I'm a bit confused, are you a canadian working in the U.K.?
I'm not sure but that ``eh'' at the end.
	I thought, please don't quote me, that Hackett left Genesis
because of the group's decision to be more commercial oriented. I don't
have Hackett's first album.

Cheers,
Andy ``How's it goin' eh?''
From: dgrimm@awm.cs.gmr.com (Don Grimm CS50)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Whole slew of new prawgressive releases
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:28:37 GMT
Reply-To: dgrimm@awm.UUCP (Don Grimm CS50)
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI


  I picked up the Wakeman & Wakeman CD on Friday and it is excellent.

  In many ways it is similar in style to Criminal Record and Rhapsodies.
  Lots of wailing synths and virtuosity.  Adam Wakeman wrote two tracks and
  plays on a few (mostly organ, I think).  They also do a cover of the
  Stone's 'Paint it Black'.  There's also a neat little piano piece called
  'Jiggajigg' which they both play.

  I'll post a track listing tomorrow.

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Don Grimm
dgrimm@awm.cs.gmr.com
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No matter where you go, there you are.
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From: josh@viewlogic.com (Josh Marantz)
Subject: Re: Yes Keysman #SIX!
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:44:33 GMT

Van Gelis (sp?) was Yes' keyboardist for a few weeks.
-- 
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Eno/Ayres/Nico/etc.
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:17:57 GMT

I've seen it, I believe, I think on a UK cd label. 

  - malcolm
From: borella@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: American publications devoted to progressive music
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:10:17 GMT
Reply-To: borella@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science

There are actually quite a few...well, relatively speaking.
I have a list of about 30 prog mags from around the world.  
One of these days I'll get around to posting it...

-Mike

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From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: Live Crimson - the old stuff
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:43:03 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

To all who have seen King Crimson in concert , past or recently,
do they ever do any material from their first two albums.? I get the
impression that they do all this dance-type stuff like "Sleepless".
Is it because Greg Lake is not there that they can't really do "Epitaph"
or "In The Court of.."?  What about "Moonchild"? Who sings that ?

Mitch
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New ELP release due in January
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:34:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

>Polygram/Victory will be releasing ELP - Live At The Royal Albert Hall
>on January 26th. I'm not sure if it's a single or a double, but this
>is officially happening.

Is this going to be from the BLACK MOON tour, or previous
appearances at RAH?

>ELP signed a two album contract with Victory records, I'm wondering if
>this is a way of fulfilling the contract before they get dumped or
>break up...

They interviews the gave while touring thru New Jersey indicated they
were very much interested in a second studio album, especially Carl
Palmer.


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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:48:19 -0500 
From: Euti Kingsang Perry <ep2m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: King Crimson Novice

Wow!  You guys helped me out a lot with this King Crimson stuff.  I
still haven't heard anything from them, but hopefully I will sometime in
the near future.  Anyway, see my next two posts if you wanta help me out
some more.
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: New ELP release due in January
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:24:09 GMT

In article <92328.022512MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu  
writes:
> How long was the Black Moon show at RAH?  (ie, would the whole show fit on 2
> CDs, or what?)

It's a safe bet that it was under 149 minutes. I doubt Lake's voice could hold  
up THAT long... :)

Gordon
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From: v134pfzd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (dan(n))
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: progressive?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Would someone please give me a workable definition of "progressive" that
includes Peter Hammill, but excludes Tori Amos, Sara McLachlan, Julian Cope,
the Butthole Surfers, and recent Tom Waits?


-dc
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From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Giles Giles and Fripp
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:58:37 GMT

In article 0@let.rug.nl, s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:
>Resently I read something in an old issue of Record Collector about "The 
>Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp being released on CD. Has anyone 
>seen it?
>
>Reinder D.


Yup, I've got a copy.  It's a Japanese import, and I think
that's the only country where it's been re-issued on CD.
I hope I'm wrong about that, though.

   --Dave.

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From: jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson)
Subject: Re: Ever seen King Crimson live?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:31:06 GMT




I saw King Crimson in the 1980's with Bruford,Levin,Bellew and Fripp.
Enjoyed the concert far more than the records that this line-up produced.
It was one of the better rock concerts I've seen.

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Another Live Crimson (w/ Belew)
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:36:38 GMT

In article <By5zKy.88w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)  
writes:
> I remember once seeing (in the early 80's) a live
> King Crimson record.  It was of the Belew period,
> and I think it was called 'Indiscipline'.
> On the back it had a long article by Fripp on
> why he hated bootlegs.  It itself wasn't a bootleg,
> but I've never seen it anywhere else, so maybe
> it was 'fake legit'.  However, it was in a large
> record store in Chicago that didn't sell bootlegs.
> Does anyone know about it?
> 

It's a boot called "Indisciple Mining Rocks". Cute picture of a Discipline logo  
with a jack hammer feeding into a cassette deck. Nice sleeve for a boot; it's  
made to look like an EG promo. The Fripp commentary on the back is from one of  
his 13-article series in Musician magazine.

Sound quality is decent for an audience recording. It contains 5 tracks  
recorded at Stonybrook U. Gym, 2/28/82 and two tracks from the Fridays' TV show  
on 12/5/81. 


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From: stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: RE: FUNKY CURIOSITY
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:32:21 GMT
Organization: IRIT-UPS, Toulouse, France

>>Just for curiosity, an informal (unscientific,etc) poll:
>>1.  What (IYHO) is the best funk tune in existence?
>>2.  What (IYHO) is the best funk band in existence?
>
>Answers:
>
>1. King Crimson's "One More Red Nightmare"

:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>2. Emerson, Lake & Palmer. No question about it. Check out
>"Aquatarkus" for proof.

:-))))

>Boogie 'till you drop baby.

:-)

>Anil Prasad
>wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
                      ^^
Definitively not only the canadian accent is special, but also their jokes...

Nilo.
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From: josh@viewlogic.com (Josh Marantz)
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:00:28 GMT

>Just for the hell of it, can anyone point out which songs have
>counterpoints?  The only one I can think of off the top of my head is
>Astral Traveller, though its been a while since I've listened to Yes.

The obvious ones, to me, are parts of Perpetual Change, Close to the
Edge (vocals in In Her White Lace), Siberian Khatru, Heart of the
Sunrise, On the Silent Wings of Freedom, the subdued middle section of
Awaken, probably a few others.

I'm using this definition of polyphony from Kerman's "Listen", 3rd
edition, p. 38:

    Nonimitative polyphony occurs when the melodies are essentially
    different from one another.  In popular music, a familiar case of
    nonimitatvie polyphony occurs in traditional jazz when the trumpet,
    clarinet, trombone, and other instruments are each improvising on
    their own simultaneously.  Each instrument has its own interest and
    its own melodic integrity; each has its own kind of melody suited to
    the nature of the particular instrument; each seems to be trying to
    sound more brilliant and imaginitive than the others.  Listening to
    contrapuntal music of this kind, our attention shunts rapidly (and
    happily) back and forth from one instrument to another.

Of course, the phrase "essentially different" seems to be pretty
subjective to me!
-- 
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From: klinge@eel.micro.umn.edu (James Klinge)
Subject: New King Crimson live box question
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:15:45 GMT


The new box set which I purchased on Saturday has a flaw.
The disk case has the disk numbers on the spine switched on disk three and four.
The crown pattern is also switched on the inside disks on three and four.
This is hard to describe without seeing the disks.
I was wondering if all the box sets have this same flaw.or if it was
intentional and has some bizarre Frippian connotation.

Jim.
  
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From: gershbei@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Michael Gershbein)
Subject: Eno/Ayres/Nico/etc.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:29:10 GMT

These three (and someone else) had an album out that was named after the
date that it was recorded - can't remember what it was.  Does anyone know
if that's available on CD?  And from where.  And most importantly, how much?
Mike Gershbein
From: sjames@adam.adelaide.edu.au (S James)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: King Crimsom: The Great Deciever
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:42:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: adam.adelaide.edu.au
Summary: Does anyone have the track listing for this CD
Keywords: KIng Crimson

Could someone who has been able to pick up the new live King Crimson :
The Great Deciever post a track listing.
I am eager to find out what is on this set as it is a bit slow in getting
to Australia.
Steve James
sjames@adam.adelaide.edu.au
From: stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Mike Oldfield
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:06:48 GMT
Organization: IRIT-UPS, Toulouse, France

>1) Does the word 'Amarok' mean anything in any language, or is it a 
>    nonsense word like 'Ommadawn' ?

  If you find any sense in the "Incantations" and "Hergest Ridge" titles, please tell me. You know it's very common this kind of stuff in progressive rock. I
can remember other groups' titles like "Ummagumma" (Pink F.), "Tarkus" (ELP) and so on, where there is no sense either...

Nilo.
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Another UK question -- what happened to `Alaska'?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:31:12 GMT

In <CHRISLEY.92Nov17123928@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:


>By the way, anyone:  do the US CDs of UK have lyrics?

I don't have the debut album (for shame!), but _Danger Money_ does.


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From: mcspinks@unix.amherst.edu (Mike Bukhin)
Subject: Re: THE CURE
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:19:07 GMT

MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu wrote:
: Oh jeez, not again...
: 
: Try alt.music.alternative
: 
: Slainte mhath,
: 
What does slainte mhath mean, anyway?

and yes, although the cure is a pretty good group, they don't belong here.
Snarf


: Mike
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Happy the Man info wanted
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:29:51 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <CHYDE.92Nov18124904@pecos.ads.com> chyde@pecos.ads.com (Clinton Hyde) writes:
>i'd echo this. the unusual rhythms remind me of Gentle Giant. the CD
>Retrospective is good. for the moment, i'd recommend hunting down the
>LPs. two are not available on CD (their last one is, strangely enough,
>but not the first one, which I think is best, but that's because I saw
>them a few months before its release).

I've got both HTM & Crafty Hands (1st & 2nd Albums) on CD.
They were released in Japan originally in a ltd. edition of 1000 back in
1988, and since then have been reissued in second limited pressings.
Best thing is to write to Edison Records, Tokyo, and find out when the
next pressing will be...

And I agree, that first album is the best, they left just too much good
stuff off it on the retrospective. Where's "Mr.Mirror" ???

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
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From: reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume)
Subject: Re: Help for a Yes newbie
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:14:59 GMT

In article <hjv.721921814@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>, hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
> rda582y@nella4.cc.monash.edu.au (C.J. Ray) writes:
> 
> >I know this is probably one of the deadly sins but I am 22 and am only *just*
> >'getting into' Yes.
> 
> Well, I suppose things like this _can_ happen... :)

	It happened to me. I bought _Fragile_ and _Close to the Edge_
when I was 15 and thought I had wasted my money. I only started to get
into them when I was in university. Look at it as a maturing of your
taste in rock music :-). Progressive rock is like beer; the first time
you pretend you like it, then after a while you do like it then after
that you love it. 

> 
> >what would be the next CD I should buy?
> >(And yes I probably will get them all in the near future :)
> 
	Well, you don't need to and probably shouldn't buy a couple of
their albums because although they are the considered the premiere 
progressive rock band by many, they have put out a couple of stinkers,
a little lead amongst the gold. 
	From your article, you really enjoyed the later Yes, 90125 and
_Big Generator_. Well for most of the true `diehard' Yes fans, those
are a bit of ``imitation'' Yes-sound. I thoroughly enjoy those two
albums but they are not the ``progressive'' rock albums by Yes. They
are the most commercially successful mind you, which adds to my 
arguement that _90125_ and _BG_ are not really prog albums. 
	Myself and most diehard Yes fans and music journalists will
all list the following three albums as Yes' top three (order is inter-
changeable): _The Yes Album_, _Fragile_, _Close to the Edge_. As I 
stated, they are not in any particular order, just those three are 
head and shoulders above the rest, and if you survey a group of Yes
fans those three will always be on top.

> 
> Fragile          - The first 'symphonic Yes' album. Mildly interesting. Has
>                    some very good tracks (which probably justify purchasing
>                    it) and some very weak ones...

	Well, I can see why most persons would consider some of the tracks
like _Mood for a Day_, _Five Percent for Nothing_ and _Brahms and Cans_
as weak, most progressive rock fans on the other hand would not. That's
innovation and is one of the key attributes of this style of music that
sets it apart from the rest of the rock world. From a progressive rock 
point of view, I consider every track on _Fragile_ as at least very 
good. IMHO, the weakest track on that album is ``Roundabout'' because
it's too catchy, not progressive enough. Great song though!

Andy ``Only your right hand knows you're left-handed''
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