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From: paul@iatge.uucp (Hansjuergen Paul)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: How to export TEXT ONLY correctly?
Keywords: text only, 8-bit, iso, umlaut, imaker
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:10:10 GMT
Organization: Institut Arbeit und Technik

Hi Framers,

this is again a very exotic, esoteric problem for non-european readers,
but umlaute etc. (those letters with dots on top) are important for us...

Okay. The problem is: how can I export (via TEXT ONLY) text in a
way that umlauts do not disappear? Now e.g., when there is an
"a-umlaut" in my text it is mapped to a regular "a". That causes a
lot of silly searching. The "small german letter sharp s" is mapped
to a "?", well... I guess the French Framers have the same problems
with cedillas and acutes.

Once upon a time I've read about the Xdefault...

! CHARACTER ENCODING

!	Use this resource if you want FrameMaker to save in 8-bit
!	ISO-Latin text rather than in 7-bit ASCII text.

Maker.textCharacterEncoding:	ISOLatin1

... but it has no effect. Because of the mapping discribed above, filters
like txttois1 fail.

The exported text should be ready to be imported by DOS applications. It
would be nice if there is any non-commercial solution for that. Any ideas?
Maybe a "miftoiso1"?

I have the idea that there is something wrong with my "iso1.map"-file,
but where is the bug?

Oh yes, I've forgotten:

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Our configuration:

FrameMaker-Version:	2.1.X
Window-Manager:		OpenLook 2.0 (olwm and olvwm)
Hardware:		SunSPARCs (465 and 460)
OS:			SOLARIS 1.0.1. = SunOS 4.2
--------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks in advance,
			Hansjuergen Paul
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: toense@CPLXSYS.NCSL.NIST.GOV (Robert E. Toense)
Subject: Re: Frame to WP and MS Word filters summary
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
	formerly National Bureau of Standards
Distribution: inet
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:38:34 GMT


	> 
	> In article <39606@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> you write:
	> |> Hi everybody,
	> |> 
	> |> I'm in need of a filter that converts a MIF file to WP (5.0 or 5.1)
	> |> or MS Word (the PC version) format, commercial or PD. I'm aware
	> |> of the Document FilterPak, but it only seems to be able to convert
	> |> FROM those formats TO FrameMaker format.
	> |> 
	> 
	> Robert,
	> 
	> The FilterPak 3.0 (which JUST came out) is bi-directional on WordPerfect 5.1.
	> That is, you can both import and export WP 5.1 documents.

	The FilterPak 3.0 filter only handes MAC WordPerfect files, not
	the DOS version.

	dan@scooter.rosemount.com

Not true!  I just used mine with the DOS WordPerfect 5.1 version today!


Robert E. Toense
(toense@cplxsys.ncsl.nist.gov)
National Institute of Standards and Technology
Phone: (301) 975-2930
From: artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Looking for experience with Coral Draw
Keywords: Coral Draw - pixel editing
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:56:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: atexnet.6222
Reply-To: artc@bacchus.atex.kodak.com
Organization: Atex Publishing Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr3.164222.12317@medtron.medtronic.com>, kate@medtronic.COM (Kate Seastone) writes:
|> We are looking for a graphics program which would easily
|> interface with Frame and allow the user to complete
|> pixel editing of their graphics.  
|> 
|> The package I have seen referenced is Coral Draw - Does
|> anyone have experience with using this package?  Is it
|> easy to use?  Is the interface fairly smooth?
|> 

I think what you're looking for is Corel DRAW, originally a Windows package.
It was ported to Sun by an outfit called Prior Data Sciences.

It was demoed at last months' FrameMaker User's Network - New England
meeting and looked very impressive, especially because it uses Frame's
live links update feature to keep the document current.

Interface was fine, as far as we could tell.

The software comes with a really well-done instructional video.

I'd have one concern, in that in your first 'graph you seem to be looking
for a bitmap editor, and Corel is a vector drawing package.

Prior Data is at 800-267-2626. 

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: dan@rosevax.rosemount.COM (Dan Messinger)
Subject: Re: Frame to WP and MS Word filters summary
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:06:16 GMT

> 
> 	The FilterPak 3.0 filter only handes MAC WordPerfect files, not
> 	the DOS version.
> 
> 	dan@scooter.rosemount.com
> 
> Not true!  I just used mine with the DOS WordPerfect 5.1 version today!
> 

Oops.  You are correct.  It is the MS Word filter that only works on MAC
files.  I'm always getting those two confused.

dan@scooter.rosemount.com


Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: barbarag@tardis.dbaccess.COM (Barbara Green)
Subject: Unknown message in book file
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:33:11 GMT


Once or twice, when I have used the Generate/Update command on the File menu
of a book file, I have gotten an (as far as I can find out) undocumented
message in the message line of the book. This happens after Frame has
run through all of the files and finished resolving references and so on.

The message is "Degenerate!" It is not listed in the messages in the 
Frame Reference. I have only noticed it when I use Generate to update page
numbers and cross references, not when I am generating a TOC.

Anybody else see this? So far, it doesn't seem to have any real consequences.
Is it just a developer's sense of humor? My coworkers have responded to 
my questions with either "I didn't know you were one," or "I am not!"

Regards,
Barbara L. Green
barbarag@dbaccess.com
From: oj@pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Subject: Re: Configuration Management of Frame documents
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:25:04 GMT

gah@zoo.bt.co.uk (Geoff Hopson) writes:
> I am currently running Frame on a Sun, and need to be able to configuration 
> manage the various versions of documents that I produce.

SCCS (as bundled with SunOS) will handle binary Frame Maker files, 
as long as you remember to use the "-b" switch to the sccs create
command.

SCCS uses "uuencode" to turn binary files into ASCII for its internal
purposes.  As a result, it's rather inefficient at storing only the
differences between versions.
Ollie Jones                  PictureTel Engineering
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tel:   +1(508)977-8396       Danvers, MA 01923-1393
video: (+1)700-561-9938&9939 fax: +1(508)532-6893
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mark@drd.com (resident.alien)
Subject: Re: RPC message to unregister a licence
Organization: DRD Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:45:14 GMT

>In article <1956@shuksan.boeing.com> sam2747@shuksan.boeing.com (Scott Moody) wrote:
>> Basically if (heaven forbid) Frame crashes, it doesn't give up the 
>> license until the 1 hour time out. And I can't set that time to shorter 
>> than 1 hour.


In article <HKARHUNE.92Apr6185654@hydra.Helsinki.FI> hkarhune@hydra.Helsinki.FI (Heikki Karhunen) writes:
>
>No need to wait it you are in a hurry. Just go and kill the license server
>(umm... you'd do well to warn the other users first). The next user needing
>a license wil automagically cause it to start itself. 

can't set it for .2 hours?
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: johnbu@COMM.MOT.COM
Subject: Manual Pages
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:02:47 GMT

There is a mif to man page converter. Does anyone have a good Frame template
for Unix man pages? If so, can I get my hands on it?
From: markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Screen clipart
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:21:51 GMT
Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: ls12r

In article <21224@hacgate.UUCP>, you write:
|> We here at Hughes Space and Communications have just started using the
|> Framemaker package and everyone seems to like it. We do have a problem
|> though. When doing a screen grab for inserting into documents the
|> clipart comes in reverse image. Another words I have a white piece of
|> and the image comes in black with white graphics. And the question is
|> is there any way to reverse the image. We looked for an invert command
|> with no luck. Maybe someone out there could help me on this one.

Dear Jerry!

  Such a command exists. There is a program "fminvert" included in the
FrameMaker software. It can be found under "$FMHOME/bin/fminvert. See
Appendix E (FrameMaker Utilities) of the FrameMaker Reference Manual for
documentation.

Regards,
Ingolf Markhof!

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: etxwtg@kk161.ericsson.se (Per-Erik Westerberg TT/TJ)
Subject: EDML to/from Frame Maker <.mif>
Organization: Ericsson
Distribution: inet
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:31:46 GMT

Does such a filter exist?

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: barbarag@tardis.dbaccess.COM (Barbara Green)
Subject: Thanks Y'all . . .
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:24:30 GMT


 . . . for all the responses to my "Am I degenerate, or is Frame?" question.
I suspect that this is a little goof that slipped out with 3.0, and 
somewhere an engineer is holding his head and muttering about it. However,
Frame does not say this, and (according to some of the responses I got)
refuses to get the joke. (Lighten up, you Frame people!)

Anyway, the irony is that yesterday, we got our Frame Footnotes for March,
and under the heading "Generating Book Files" gives the following 
explanation:

"When generating a book file, I get a 'Degenerate' message. In FrameMaker
3.0, the 'Degenerate' message may erroneously appear in a book window
status line when you 'Generate/Update' your book. This message may appear
the first time that a new, book-external cross reference is seen by the 
'Generate' command.

"The work-around is to 'Save' the BOOK file right after generating your
book file. Neither your book nor the content files will have been harmed.
'Generate/Update' again will show that the problem has been resolved. If
you don't Save the book file, the message will re-appear only when you
quit, re-open, and re-generate the book file . . ."

Many of you already had this information from Frame, and passed it on.
I include it here for those who might also be suffering low self esteem
from too often seeing this message. (By the way, spelling in the above
quote is, with the possible exception of a typo or two, as it appeared
in Footnotes, as is the punctuation and grammar.)

Regards,
Barbara L. Green
barbarag@dbaccess.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kbass@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Bass)
Subject: Sorting a table with Framemaker 3.0
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:53:18 GMT

Does anyone know how I can sort a table based on a certain column being
the sort-key? Does anyone have a program or filter which would do this?
    ---Ken
From: merritt@provolone.bchem.washington.edu (Ethan A Merritt)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: help with 3.1X for DECstation
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:37:13 GMT
Reply-To: merritt@u.washington.edu
Followup-To: comp.text.frame
Organization: University of Washington

I have now had FrameMaker 3.1X installed on a DECstation 5000/200PXG for a
week.  Herewith follow my comments and plea for help:

I am running under twm, and previously had 2.1X running on the same DECstation.
Installation from the kit went smoothly, and both the new and the old versions
co-exist peacefully.  That is, I can switch back and forth from 2.1X and 3.1X
simply by changing a symlink to $FMHOME.  That turns out to be nice, because
I haven't gotten 3.1X functional yet.

- The biggest problem is that despite reading and re-reading the installation
  notes, the release notes, the README.kbmap file, and using diff on the 2.1X
  and 3.1X kbmap files, I cannot get 3.1X to pay any attention to the delete
  key, the arrow keys, or (worst yet) the return key on the DECstation 
  keyboard.  Help!!!

- Many of the X resources which used to work, now don't.  I haven't made up a
  real list, but I'll start at the top:  Maker.makerkit.geometry used to
  control where the top level button boc appeared on the screen.  Now it
  doesn't, nor does setting resources Maker*geometry, *makerkit*geometry, etc.

- Maker _still_ doesn't handle the default visual class of the PXG correctly
  (24-bit TrueColor).  I thought I had hashed this out with Frame back last
  fall, and they had promised to fix it.  I do see (strings run on the
  executable) that they have added additional references to visual class, so
  maybe there is some crucial X resource which does in fact fix this, but I
  can't find it anywhere.

I'm still plugging away at this, but until I fix the keyboard problem it's
hard to get much further!  Any suggestions, help, accounts of success on 
other DECstations, etc, will be greatfully received and summarized.

					Ethan A Merritt
					merritt@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kcr@deneb.mlb.semi.harris.com (Keighley Ross)
Subject: Re: Multiple tagged flows on master pages
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:38:09 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <9204061407.aa02722@pequod.cs.vu.nl> keie@cs.vu.nl (EG Keizer) writes:

Ed wanted the first page to look like:

>	Date		Your Date	Fax	Appendices
>	x-x-xx		x-x-xx		xxxx	x
>
>	Our number	Your Number	Phone	E-mail
>	xx		xx		+xx x x	xx@xx

at the top, with a large flow "A" at the bottom, and subsequent
autogenerated pages to have just the large "A" flow.

>A day long search for the reason ended in the conclusion described in the
>first paragraph: whenever a body page contains more then one tagged flow
>FrameMaker simplies copies the column layout from that page when the
>connected column overflows and a new page is created.
 ...

>Did I miss something or is the a bug in FrameMaker?
>I am using Frame 3.0 under X.
>
>Ed Keizer					tel: +31 20 548 5777 >Faculteit Wiskunde & Informatika		fax: +31 20 642 7705
>Vrije Universiteit				e-mail: keie@cs.vu.nl >De Boelelaan 1081A, 1081 HV  Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Well, let's call it the lack of a feature.  A more complete rule
(which I have never found in the manuals, but was posted several months
ago) for single-sided documents is that when Frame needs to autogenerate
a continuation page, it checks to see whether the Right master page
has all of the named flows that are on the current page.  If so,
Right is used, if not, the master for the current page is used.

The best solution for your case is to put all of the named flows that
are on the Front master page on the Right master as well, but make
them very small and shove them off the page as much as Frame will allow.
(Or maybe they can be hidden under an opaque white "A" flow?)

Some experimentation with the mif version shows that you can only
have one <PageType RightMasterPage> (although you can rename it
anything you want).  For more complicated layouts, what you'd like
to do is have a property on each named flow that tells which master
page should be autogenerated when it overflows.

-------------------------------------- Keighley Ross ----------------
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HH    HH      are solely my own.       Melbourne, Florida,
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: elmar@knipp.en.open.de (Elmar Knipp)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Typing Accents
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:18:39 GMT
Organization: Private/FRG

I use Frame 3.0 on a NeXT. I want to type text within
a chacater "s" and a "caron-Accent" (looks like a small
v on top of the character).

In the Standard-PostScript-Fonts such 
character exists, called "scaron". But in Frame
it seems that there is no possibilty to get such
character.

Is it alternativly possible, to combine the singele
letter "s" with "breve-Accent" (Ctrl-q y), which
looks similar to caron-Accent?

Any suggestions are welcomed.

Elmar


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From: jason@xtel.co.uk (Jason Kitchen)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Inset editors
Keywords: Wingz, spreadsheets, inset
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:02:16 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

--------
I've been trying to get Wingz to work as an inset editor for
FrameMaker 3.0X. I've managed to get Wingz in the inset editor
dialogue and it starts up Wingz okay.

However there doesn't seem to be any way of copying spreadsheets
back to Frame again. has anyone done this or something similar ?
If so let me know and I'll summarise.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Ed.van.Leeuwen@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen)
Subject: Re: Configuration Management of Frame documents
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:07:37 GMT

 
U> And you might also want to look at CMS... it's a database-type management
U> program for all kinds of documents. It's developed by a Frame VAR, and
U> it was their intention to support native format Frame, I think. I don't
U> know too much more about it, other than it was capable of tracking compontents
U> too (referenced graphics files, other stuff on Live Links, etc.

This is interesting. Is there anyone who does have some more information?

						Regards,
						
						Ed.

						
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: pa1%tdat@UUNET.UU.NET (Pat Alvarado)
Subject: Re: Is there a pict2mif filter somewhere?
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:22:57 GMT

 >
 > The reason why those PICT pictures never appear on other platforms
 than Mac
 > can easily be understood if one saves a document containing PICT
 stuff as
 > MIF and looks it through. The PICT pictures are preceded by a
 comment
 > indicating that the following is in PICT format and then the PICT
 stuff
 > itself.
 >
 > Naturally Frames on other platforms are not taught how to handle
 this and they
 > resort to the old grey box syndrome. The only way I can see out of
 this mess
 > is to translate the PICT to some more agreeable format, MIF or EPS,
 for
 > example.
 >
 > Just some food for thought....
 >
 >      Heikki Karhunen

There is set of graphic format translation tools known as PBMPLUS. One
of the tools included is called picttoppm (PICT to Portable Picture
Map). Additional tools are available to move the format to a desired
format. If the desired format is Encapsulated PostScript Interface
(EPSI), then the ppm file can be further converted with ppmtops
(Portable Picture Map to PostScript) and finally pstoepsi (PostScript
to Encapsulated PostScript Interface).

The idea behind PBMPLUS is to provide portable graphic formats for
exporting and importing external graphic formats.

Another way to get a PICT image from a Mac into FrameMaker is to import
it into FrameMaker on the Mac, then save the file as MIF with the
"Preserve FrameImage" option on. When the file is ported to FrameMaker
on another platform, the image should appear and print normally.

Thanks,

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From: artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Microsoft Word for Windows
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:00:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: atexnet.6223
Reply-To: artc@bacchus.atex.kodak.com
Organization: Atex Publishing Systems, Inc.

In article <SCHULTZ.92Apr3164010@halley.est.3m.com>, schultz@halley.est.3m.com (John C. Schultz) writes:
|> I am trying to read a Microsoft Word for Windows V 1.1 file into
|> FrameMaker. I have the word2mif converter but it seems to expect some
|> kind of Word 4.0 format which is not Word for Windows (raw format at
|> least). 
|> 
|> Suggestions?
|> 
|> I would think about BUYING the Blueberry software if that worked and I
|> could find a phone number for them. 

Blueberry Filtrix: 707-829-5443

But you might want to hang on for a short period of time because the
Windows version of FrameMaker due out next month, can import it directrly.

And I believe Windows Frame is cheaper than the filter pack....

Art


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