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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: The Pigs - LIVE! (new album & video)
Summary: hello, hello?  oink
Keywords: The Unshadow sez "Yow!" to KNLE's RBR listeners
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:53:00 GMT
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

meo@pencom.com (The Unshadow) writes...
>It was recorded at Cornerstone this past year, as was the video,
>which includes almost all the songs on the disc (I think "Rock
>the Casbah" is the only one missing from the video).  And what
>are the songs?  Glad You Asked! [tm]

I was there. I saw it. I lived through it.
Cool stuff....I got to see Ramald Domkus (scaterd-few) as well as 
quite a few other known people 'smash the guitar' :)
(gee...I hope I remember right that he was up there....my mind 
sometimes goes in and out in my old age.....)

Anyway, I'll watch the video, and if I can ever see myself, I'll let
the net in general know where I can be seen (provided that I don't
look like a blithering idiot...then I won't tell anybody :).

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From: lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Don't Buy Ministry
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:27:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <72315@netnews.upenn.edu> kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
>Don't buy Ministry.  it is not a Christian album and it's pretty
>self-indulgent and non-Christian:
>
>Here's what your poster has to say about Ministry:
>
>>  I made a little posting on rec.music.christian and soc.religion.christion
>>regarding the "GOOD CHRISTIAN" band i had found, ministry.  I encouraged
>>everyone to go out and buy it instantly.  I mentioned skinny puppy also..
>>
>>  Hopefully, they won't be able to return them! >;-)

>Don't waste your money on this album.

Well, I've heard a little of their music, and I wouldn't say it's a waste
of money, but it is not Christian music.

Adios,
  Logan
-- 
 "Driving across Dakota, I saw an old freight train \ that train has crossed
 this state through the wind, the snow, and rain \ now the wheels were rusted
 golden, and it wasn't on a track \ somebody somewhere swore that train would
 be coming back \ but You remain unchanged."   -Margaret Becker
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com (Scott Butler, MN, x5036, (612) 894-6562)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CCM Station in MPLS/STP area?
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:21:15 GMT
Reply-To: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Inc.

I live in one of the denser populations of born-again christians, but
there is a real drought of Contemporary Christian Music on the air waves.
Minneapolis / St. Paul area has no such thing.  (There is a funky AM 
station that has mostly talk when I am in the car, and the talk is rather
bizare!)

Does anyone know of any kind of tape service that I could get on to hear
new releases before committing my hard-earned $ to CDs I listen to once
and never again?

I am thinking of video tapes of Real Videos or audio tapes of some 
radio show that could expose me to new stuff.  But I don't want to
spend too money.  (If I was made of money, I could just buy every thing
and give away what I don't like.)

I tried subscribing to CCM magazine for awhile, but I found the reviews
did not help me pick out what I like.  (I may not know art, but I know
what I like!)

Does anyone know of such a service?  Or maybe someone knows of a station
that I have not found in the Twin Cities?  

Oh well, Chuck Swindol is good, but I can't dance to it...

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From: eng@CPSC.UCALGARY.CA (David Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Amy Grant (Don't skip this!!)
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:04:43 GMT

Last September, Amy Grant performed here in Calgary.  My feeling was
that many who attended didn't know quite what to expect.  There was a
time during the show where things quieted right down, and she started
to share some very deep feelings about her life and family.  Someone
in the audience got tired of it and yelled "Cut the @#$% !!!".

Amy must have to deal with these mixed audiences (Christian/non-Christian)
every time she performs.  What I like about it is that she is reaching
out to huge numbers of non-Christians out there by "crossing over".
(It is difficult to save a drowning person without going into the
water).  She has courage that's for sure.

In a local newspaper here (really a dirt paper), an entertainment critic
(who REALLY criticizes almost every concert that happens here), couldn't
find a thing to say against Amy's concert.  He said that it was so
wholesome and down to earth, that you can't find anything really wrong
with it.  Now THAT's solid!

Perhaps, in this kind of world, if one develops good morals to live
by first, it will make it easier to see and accept The Source.

Dave.

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From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Whose music is it?
Summary: Don't worry about it
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:09:45 GMT
Organization: Center for Microelectronics, MCNC; RTP, NC


If your songs aren't copyrighted, the singer has very little precedent, legal,
moral, or otherwise, to restrict the performance of the songs. If they were
copyrighted, you would be listed as a co-author, since you wrote the melody.
That means you're part owner of these songs, too.

If the songs are so personal to him that noone else could ever understand
the meanings and feelings behind them, then they should never have been played
in public in the first place. They should have remained his personal worship
thoughts. Apparently, that isn't the case - they don't seem to be too personal
for public use, unless someone else likes the song and wants to sing it. :-)

Sorry I don't have any good Biblical references. It's just my personal opinion
for whatever it's worth (read the disclaimer).
 
Ted Brooks
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From: cs63+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christina Marie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Cruciform (Randy Rose?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:39:46 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Randy has a solo release now called something like Cruciform - I'm not
sure if that's the exact name or not.  It has more of a metal edge than
MATW, although it's basically MATW with Randy doing all of the vocals. 
One thing that disappointed me was the vocals - because Randy is really
talented vocally and he doesn't really indicate that on Cruciform.  He
wrote most of the songs, and even re-released a harder version of
Marshmallow Land.  I guess the lyrics were kind of disappointing too,
but it would be hard to top songs like Isn't Sex a Wonderful Thing.... 
If you really like MATW (which I do, but my favorite is Seasons of Love
and not their newest stuff), I'd recommend buying it, but be prepared to
be somewhat disappointed if you're not really into their harder stuff.
From: u1044737@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Saint Amy ( was Re: Lucky Charms Christian? )y
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:26:43 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <92097.113617AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET>, AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
> Amy Grant is now a heathien, and has sold her soul to the secular
> market because THERE IS MORE MONEY IN SECULAR THAN IN CONTEMPORARY
> CHRISTIAN.  Amy wants to be rich!  Amy wants money, lots and lots of
> money, don't be asking me why?  She wants to be RICH!


I looked into the mirror
Proud as I could be
And I saw my pointing finger
Pointing back at me
Saying "Who named you accuser
Who gave you the scales"
I hung my head in sorrow
I could almost feel the nails
I said "This is hoow it is
To be crucified and judged
Without love".

   - extracted from "What About The Love" on Lead Me On - Amy Grant

   'nuff said 8)


Rodney Ho

hotuckch@vms1.iscs.nus.sg
hotuckch@nusdiscs.bitnet
From: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Please Help Identify Songs (All Creation Sings identified)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:52:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr9.165220.6187
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: moeller@aspen.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <STUCKI.92Apr9112307@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu> stucki@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu (David J Stucki) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.181920.14615@keinstr.uucp> chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) writes:
>
>   In article <53392@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5196a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Helms) writes:
>   >
>   >
>   >Song			Artist			Albulm			
>   >All Creation Sings(?)	??????			??????
>
>No, All Creation Sings is by AD (Kerry Livgren & Dave Hope after Kansas).
>I'm not sure what album, though.
>

Art Of The State, of course ;-)

Tom (moeller@convex.com)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Dove Awards - Really Embarrassing!
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Reply-To: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:53:32 GMT

In article <parsons.703051920@harry.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish ) writes:
:dledelen@wheaton.edu (Daniel Lane Edelen) writes:
:
:>Anyone out there, besides me, who found the Dove Awards to be downright
:>embarrassing?
:
:Yes. 

I thought so too (as I mentioned in a previous post.

:
:>	1} Bad miking 
:Agreed.

Goodness yes, even my 7 yr old was complaining!

:
:>	2} Same ole winners
:Agreed, but...It was nice to see Michael English win two awards.  Also,
:it was nice to see Wayne Kirkpatrick get some recognition for all the
:work he does with a lot of people in CCM.

I have no problem with the same person winning in a category IF they are
indeed the best - and the song that Sandy won for was very good.  I am
not convinced it was the best.  As far as I could tell, Sandy won because
of a video she released perhaps?

: 
:>	3} Hair & Choice of Clothes
:>	4} Sync
:As someone commented earlier, we should add to this list...
:	5} Jokes - very stupid, very poor. 

I think that was me - and I would vote for jokes to be the number 1 item
on the list.


:>	
:>Though, I think that in the realm of categories they need to add a few. 
:>I think an "alternative" category should be added to give less mainstream 
:>artists a chance. 
:Yes, they need to add some categories.  Yes, the should add alternative.

I don't know what alternative music is- alternative to what - any of the
9 categories of albums of the year they chose?

:
:>Any other comments out there?
:
:Sounded and looked like they needed a rehearsal before putting this thing
:on.  The miking, graphics/cue card sync, and jokes were wretched.
:It was nice to see Petra and MWS though, both crowd faves.  Though it would
:have been nice to see some groups/persons that are not highly exposed--
:Rachel Rachel, Susan Ashton, First Call, Out of the Grey or any one of 
:a number of others.

If you missed last year's performance, I _think_ Rachel Rachel and First
Call both performed.  Take 6 did as well.  But I think DC Talk did
the same number last year as this year!  I was disappointed in that, 
as well as the fact that Steven Curtis Chapman only did a medley of his
hits - I was hoping that at the end of the medley he would do his new
single.

Anyone else think that SCC was the best presentor of the evening?
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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: New True News catalog out
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:18:00 GMT
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just got the new True News catalog today from True Tunes Etc.

(This one has Michael Knott on the cover and an interview with him
inside. No, I haven't read it yet. FYI, M. Knott is LSU/Lifesavers/
Blonde Vinyl.)

If you aren't getting it, get it! It's mail order, but they also
have lots of great interviews, reviews, and other cool info and stuff.

If you don't know the address, I posted it yesterday, so it should 
still be in your news reader list. (I believe the title was "Some addresses")

It's free!!!! What have you got to lose? Ok, ok, 29 cents. Big deal.

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From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans)
Subject: Re: old MWS band members
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:09:19 GMT

BLACKWDP@CRF.CUIS.EDU ("Dave P Blackwell, Academic Computing Services") writes:

> So _when_ is the next album coming out?  How about the next tour?  I'm
>waiting...

I was told this fall he is to have one out. That's all any of us have heard..
I'll try to snoop a little around.

chuck

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From: petra@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jeanne Sawtelle)
Subject: Re: Saint Amy ( was Re: Lucky Charms Christian? )
Summary: Sarcasm anyone? 
Keywords: : P~
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:50:00 GMT

In article <92097.113617AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET> AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Amy Grant is now a heathien, and has sold her soul to the secular
>market because THERE IS MORE MONEY IN SECULAR THAN IN CONTEMPORARY
>CHRISTIAN.  Amy wants to be rich!  Amy wants money, lots and lots of
>money, don't be asking me why?  She wants to be RICH!
[later corrections agreed on and deleted]

Oh, no, this person has been listening to blatantly _secular_ music! Tsk, tsk!
     ;)
(Gee, anyone notice a bit of irony in using lyrics to a 'secular' song to 
 condemn an artist for "selling her soul to the secular market?"  I hope 
 the origional post was sarcastic as well... sometimes it's hard to tell)

		Jeanne Sawtelle




-- 
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petra@wpi.wpi.edu              | plain sadists, that's all" -Prof. Mary Hardell
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: u8801686@cc.uow.edu.au (timothy napthali)
Subject: Christian Music
Summary: Why listen ?
Keywords: Music,Christian
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:02:33 GMT

	Being from Australia, I wish to express some opinions on
current Christian music trends.
	I have been a committed Christian for many years, and over the
past 5 years have worked clodely with a large number of international
( presumably largely of american origin ) and local bands, and so have
had wide experience in may areas of this field. Now it would seem that
there is a vast following, particularly in this country, for what we
loosely term 'Christian' music. After all, what is it essentially ? Are
we talking about songs inspired by God, or are we refering to music that
is played by a group of Christian people. I feel that it is most probably
the latter, and in this respect I pose a problem I see with MOST 
christian bands. Firstly I congratulate AMY GRANT in her ability to pull
away from the cliche' Christian song market. While I appreciate that 
she has moved into another somewhat cliche' market ( ie: the 14 year old
girl bracket ), it is encouraging so see some acceptance of her music
on a more global and equitable line. It is thus the problem that all
Christian bands are trying to conform to an image that no-one really
wants. Think; does the current Christian music style fall into any
category readily acceptable by the heathen masses ? I don't think so.
	Every year we have a large Christian music festival in Sydney,
which is similar ( though much smaller - around 7000 people ) to Britain's 
Greenbelt festival and others. The problem that I am seeing every year as
I work with the groups is the sense of repetetiveness in each group. I
guess that I am speaking to the bands out there, and to there fans.
If we really want to share Chris't love with others, we need to reach 
them, and while ever we continue to use the current cliche' styles
that have become so prevalent, people are going to just turn away.
I'm sick of repetetiveness - try something new.

I'd welcome any discussion on the above comments.

Post to this group, or EMail me on:

u8801686@cc.uow.edu.au
From: preuss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Peter Reuss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: CD's for trade
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:05:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

I have a couple of CDs that I would like to trade with someone.

Margret Becker--Immigrants Daughter
U2--Rattle and Hum

Please email me any cd's you'd like to trade.

Peter Reuss
casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Deliverance and Tourniquet on MTV?
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:27:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

djk55497@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (DJ the Social Guy!) writes...
>>>A couple of months ago I heard that Deliverance
>>>was trying to get their video for _Weapons Of
>>>Our Warfare_ on Headbanger's Ball.  Were they 
>>>successful?
> 
>I was night clerking one night when Headbanger's Ball was on, I DID see the
>video _Weapons of our Wafare_  I do not like metal music that much and I find
>metal videos boring (usually just shots of the band)  But this videa was 
>actually pretty good.  But isn't _Weapons of our Warfare_ a whole album ago
>for Deliverance??  Oh, well, the that video DID make it on!!!

From Heaven's Metal  Issue #34  Page 30
"All this news seems to come at a weird time for Deliverance (note: he's
speaking about the fact that George Ochoa left the band), since their
video, Weapons of Our Warfare, just debuted on MTV's 'Headbanger's Ball.'
To keep it rolling, request it by calling 1-800-DIAL-MTV. Word has it that
a new video from _What A Joke_ will be filmed soon."

About Tourniquet....I read that (I guess in Heaven's Metal, although I'm
not sure) that the Metal Blade release of _Psycho Surgery_ will not include
the song "Ark of Suffering" from the _Stop the Bleeding_ album like original-
ly planned. I don't know where this leaves the "Ark of Suffering" video as
far as being resubmited to MTV. I don't remember reading anything about
that subject.

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From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Jesus Northwest '92 Info
Keywords: Jesus Northwest Info
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:34:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.182954.9366@javelin.sim.es.com> gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp) writes:

>Jesus Northwest Festival
>P.O. Box 17879 
>Salem, OR 97305
>(503) 393-1613
>
>Pricing from $19 to $40 (by April 20, depending on group -vs- individual,
>1 day -vs- full 3 days).  Prices go up to $25 - $49 at the gate.
>
>Call them, they will send you info.
>
>Who will be there:
>
>Tim Lahaye
>Frank Peretti
>Michelle Perry and Band
>Mylon & Broken Heart
>Petra
>Kenny Marks
>Steve Camp
>DC Talk
>Russ Taff
>Kim Hill
>Mike Warnke
>Steven Curthis Chapman
>DeGarmo & Key
>Michael W. Smith
>more...
>

Oops, I forgot some important info....

Camping is $4.00 per person.

Dates:  July 23-25 1992

Where: Vancouver Fairgrounds, Vancouver, WA.



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