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From: 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Pennsic Schtick
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:01:35 GMT

Hey, I'll be one of the horses, since "real" horses aren't allowed on-site.
>:-)
 
Vajk
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From: cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment
Organization: Vanderbilt University student of numerology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:06:14 GMT

To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings!

Siobhan Medhbh O'Roarke writeth:
> I'd agree that uniform allotment is truly fair -- particularly if it's 
> backed up with $$ to reserve that space. But within a group encampment, it's 
> that group's business how they allot the space.
> ...
> styles and desires differ. It's *not* fair to tell the folks who bought a 
> big pavilion a couple of years ago, at major expense, that now they have to 
> go back to the little coleman dome tent to come to Pennsic, particularly
> ...
> Oh, I'll be brave and venture an opinion. The size is not adequate for a
> camper who wants to have cooking facilities in some sort of period style, nor is 
> it adequate for families or households who are camping together with much
> intent to have "style". I agree whole-heartedly that what is missing is

It is reasonable to suggest that the folks with the 20'x 30' pavilion have
enough space for three or four, so they should arrange to take friends if
they want a cooking area.  Almost every shire has somebody who would
dearly love to go to Pennsic, but is prevented by problems either of
finances or of transporting their gear.  Staying in a friends pavilion,
and sharing the cooking, can reduce the expense slightly, and certainly
reduces the quantity of gear that they need to take.

The available space is adequate.  For a single person camping alone in a
space this size, style will be difficult.  A group of, say, 6, could camp
in two large pavilions, with a reasonable space between them for cooking
and washing.
--
Also, in listing advantages of paying a deposit for a space in advance,
Arval failed to mention a major one, namely that this puts at least
$100,000 into the hands of the Autocrat a few months in advance.
-- 
    -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Town Car parking fiasco (was "Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic")
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:22:16 GMT

1.	A fellow in my camp who parked his car before the "Town Car" signs
	went up was visited by a security patrol in a golf cart who told
	him to move his car or it would be towed.  So the problem wasn't
  	ignored.

2.	It's very hard to take people seriously when they use the term "dragon"
	to refer to automobiles on a computer net.

Aryk Nusbacher
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Schtick
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:17:08 GMT

The Poculi Ludique Societas here at U of T has the devil's own time storing
their pageant wagons.  I'm sure they'd be glad to rent them to you for a while.
They won't be using them for another three years.

Aryk Nusbacher
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: LIve Steel at Demos . . .
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:02:39 GMT
Keywords: ...a *good* use.

There are demos and there are demos . . .

If you are doing one where subjects like:  How to tell *where* on the
blade you should strike, there is an excellent way to demonstrate this
with a steel blade.

Hold the hilt with the blade pointing straight up, and the edge
towards your audience.

Slap the hand holding the blade with your other (open) hand (you
*were* holding the blade securely, weren't you?).

Look at the vibration pattern.  The blade will move ina way that
leaves one point along it still, while the tip, and the blade between
that point (the node) move back and forth.

The still point is the center of percussion.  That's where you want
your blade to contact the target to do maximum damage and minimum
'sting' back to you.

This works best with a relatively flexible blade.  It makes a fairly
stunning demonstration that most of your audience will never have
thought of.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Query after Andrew
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:17:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.013820.26773@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.202914.758@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>>This is a request to any of our Trimarian cousins who aren't busy
>>cleaning up in the wake of Andrew . . .
>
>Was that hurricane Duke Sir by any chance?

No . . .  But I suppose it could be considered a Prince of Whales . . .

>Smileant.

Indeed.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA in Russia?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 08:08:44

 PG> I am mundanely heavily connected with Russia.  I study the country and
 PG> therefore make regular trips.  My mundane girlfriend is a Russian
 PG> nation (living in St Pete) who is VERY interested in joining the SCA.

 Your girlfriend is a whole Russian nation? Now THAT'S a Serious
 Interest....

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Bad Heraldry (was Carolus goes to Toronto...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:52:31 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

> >My shield will be either my old device (azure, a martlet volant
> >rising to dexter, in chief thre mullets of four points or) or
> >my new device, if I finish the shield (Per saltire or and azure,
> >a cock erect gules, a chief enarched of the last)...as you can
> >see I am not quite sure *what* I will look like. 
> 
> Why not add a collar to that rooster and have a cock, erect, engorged...
> (Ooops... did I say that?)

It's been done.  And worse.  There's a household that has the badge,
"A cock potent rising" ;-)
                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

THE LAST THREE WINNERS OF AETHELMEARC CORONET TOURNEY HAVE BEEN...
_A_riel       fighting for the wife of Sir Raimund  of Rhydderich Hael
_B_ear        fighting for the wife of Sir Ogami    of Rhydderich Hael
_C_hristopher fighting for the wife of Sir Carthalo of Rhydderich Hael
  "Hello? Sir Bedawyr? This is _D_agonell.  If you're not fighting for your
   wife Lena in the next Coronet Tourney, I have a proposition for you ..."
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From: kevin@isi.COM (Keradwc an Cai)
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:45:14 GMT

Wolfhelm Bertoltz wrote:

> By the way, why not have all SCAdians write ABC
> and ask for historical accountability?

Well, because not all SCAdians WATCH television. (I don't even OWN one,
much less watch it. [What IS Covington Cross, anyway?])

Keradwc
  kconnery@isi.com
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From: Marianne Kinnula <lady@rieska.oulu.fi>
Subject: Crocheting - is it period?
Organization: University of Oulu
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:41:06 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: Alex_Hart@mindlink.bc.ca (Alex Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Query after Andrew
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:38:48 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


        Perhaps anyone from the Far West might be able to tell us how our
associates in the Stronghold of the World's Edge (Guam) have fared under
Typhoon Omar as well ? I hear there was much damage at the air base where many
of our friends are .
Alastair the Eastern Traveller
Lions Gate,An /Tir
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: ancient kilt; fabric width
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:53:27 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

Ilaine (Liz Stokes) writes:
>
>	.... all the popular 3 and 4 shaft twills and derivitives ie
>herringbone, diamond and broken diamond were first done on the warp-weighted
>loom, but they used 1 less harness because of the free shed. Thus 4 shaft 
>twills used 3 shed sticks plus the free shed, tabby requires only 1 shed 
>stick. 
 
Could someone possibly recommend a book for those of us who are 
interested in learning more about period fabrics, but not necessarily 
in becoming spinners and/or weavers, that would (among other things) 
provide definitions of such terms as: twill, herringbone, broken 
diamond, warp-weighted loom, harness, shed, four shaft twill, shed 
stick, tabby, etc?  I know what some of these terms mean, but am 
quite frankly lost in this discussion, and would like not to be.

Your Servant,
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu 
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Programming/eyeglasses
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:16:27 GMT

In article <715309779.F00002@ocitor.fidonet> Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:
>    >  [On the other hand, I've just gotten through having radial
>       keratotomy, and don't wear glasses anymore. I'm sure that will screw
>       up *somebody's* data....]
>
> JL> Then it actually works?  I've seen paid hype in newspapers about it, but
> JL> said advertisements never publish any references (which led me to believe 
> JL> that it was just a snake-oil remedy)...  Oh, to be able to live without
> JL> glasses or contacts!
>
> Yes, it works. It's expensive (current price in Dallas is $1200 per eye),
> but it WORKS! They've been doing it commercially for about 10-15 years
> now, they've got good survey statistics on it, and once the prices come
> down (as I expect them to do in the next four or five years) I suspect
> that it will explode in popularity. 

Lest this discussion get too one sided . . .

I spoke with a lady a few years ago who does research in opthamology
(? or a related field).  Her comment on the procedure was "see what
stae the patients are in 20 years".  She expressed *severe* doubts
about the long term efficacy of the proceedure and possible dowbnside
consequences.

If you want to go that route--I won't try to stop you, but I won't
touch it (an my correction is worse than any mentioned here so
far--being about 8.25 diopters).

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jael)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Town-Battle
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:32:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

From what I saw, the problem with the town battle was that the "huts" didn't
offer the primary advantage a real house would - you could see through the
walls. 
This could be easily changed, either with more hay bales, or cardboard 
screens, or something that would allow fighters to hide inside the huts, making
them somewhat useful instead of their just being death traps.

Anybody else hear the rumor that next year's battle would be an "Invasion of
Venice" - sort of like a town battle, but boats would be required to get 
through the streets.  I heard this from one of the Earl Marshall's squires,
but I havent' heard any other confirmation.

-- 
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Jael                    |   "One dream, one soul, one prize, one goal,     |
| jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu | One golden glance of what should be." -R. Taylor |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Late Night Noises (was Pennsic Land Allotment)
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:26:05 GMT

Second only to the people I meet, it is the late-night "noises" at Pennsic that
I lik.  The sound of the drums, zills and jinglies, is relaxing.  Of course,
I've often fallen asleep to the sweet sound of bagpipes.
 
This year I stayed with Peacemakers.  There was a bardic circle in camp one
night (which I am told was a stunning gathering).  While I could not hear all
of the stories/songs, I fell asleep much easier to the sound of what was
going on than if it had been quiet.  I am told that there were well over fifty
people there, and it went on 'til after 3 am.
 
I have heard of attempts (at other events) to keep the late-night camps
separated from the quieter camps.  Anyone know if this would work at Pennsic?
I've never heard whether the attempts were successful in any regard at all.
 
Vajk
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From: bambi@visenix.uucp (Hilda(Bambi) Smith-Beattie)
Subject: Re: Crocheting - is it period?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:05:20 GMT

 well actually yes and no
i dont have "the history of crochet" by annie potter here
with me but i own a copy.....the "period examples of crochet
that come to mind are the "nuns lace" wich was stricly used for
ecleastical linnens and garmarments in the british isles it seems
and also (ans this i DO remember clearly) the anciant egyptians
had at least the cehvron stich down pat and were using it as trim
in a wide band at the bottom of crutains and court apparel. there
is actually a huge (for ancient cloth samples)piece of it in a
museum in the middle east somewhere the is about 5"by8"and in
wonderful condition.it can be exactly reproduced byt doing the
chvron stich with linen or nat colored cotton thread. but of
course this technique seems to have been lostas mos of the rest
of ancient egypt was so that rennaisance europe didnt know about
it. seems it had to be RE-invented.
beatriz

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allocation
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:00:25 GMT

Hal raven writes;

>While I am not suggesting that anyone do so, looking at it from that
>angle suggests that those who feel cramped could buy extra
>'memberships' at Pennsic.  Pay the fee--get more space.  Does anyone
>actually go around and count noses (or bedrolls) in each encampment?
>If the 'space' is paid for--does the Autocrat care (or *should* the
>Autocrat care) if there's a physical body present?

Absolutely the Autocrat should care. And that person doing so is your
best interests. How would you like to see a limit imposed on the number
of campsites "rented" to the Autocrat, and you being told "Sorry, we're
sold out, you didn't get a reservation in early enough, the campsites
are all taken." And all because someone was inconsiderate enough to buy
more land than they need. Think about these things before you go planting
ideas in people's heads.

>As an aside . . .  If one shows up at the gate at Pennsic, can one pay
>the fee for someone who is not yet present?  Clearly (given the fee
>schedule) a membership discount will require the presence of a
>membership *card*--but does it require a live, breathing human to go
>with it?  (For that matter--I beleive that Harry, Koshka's cat--is a
>paid member in good standing of the SCA.  Does he count?  He's a
>squire, so disputing his rights probably ought to be taken up with his
>knight . . .)
>
>	--Hal

I believe a real, legal signature has to be on each waiver, and you cannot
sign someone else's name legally. I think the only instance is if you have
power of attorney. But someone not going to Pennsic giving someone power of
attorney just so the one going gets two parcels of land is still unscrupulous,
and unfair to others who could benefit from having that land. As for cats,
the Coopers forbid pets onsite during Pennsic for health and sanitation 
reasons.

Sorry if I flamed. It's just that comments like yours in public forums like
this can give the more dishonest people who haven't already thought of this
the idea that it's ok to take your good time at the expense of everyone else.
This is not what Pennsic or the SCA is about.

In service,

Corun


-- 
===========================================================================
    Corun MacAnndra     |   How can you be in two places at once,
  Dark Horde by birth   |     When you're not anywhere at all?
    Moritu by choice    |                            Sybil
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: two threads became one
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:45:06 -0500

mike@xenlink.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Johnson) writeth:

 MJ> we have at least 2 squires who
 MJ> are members of the animal kingdom. ( 1 dog & 1 cat that I know of). ]
 MJ> At least one of which has a SCA membership. What are the requirements for

 MJ> Species????      GRINNNN......

And don't forget Sir Flamingo and his many squires!

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From: sjvn@access.digex.com (Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:16:38 GMT

Greetings to the Rialto,

Our household, the Drunken Badgers, had about 80 souls on site
at Pennic with five smalls below the age of four and three
other childern in the 8 to 13 age group.  As our name suggests,
we have many members who are of the party until dawn set.  Despite
the natural conflict between late-night revellers and early-morning
children, we found that we could have a harmonious camp simply by
placing the familes with children in one section of the camp and
the hardiest of our partiers in another.  This combined, with
a healthy tolerance for each other, enabled everyone from the tiniest
toddler to the most grizzled badger to have a wonderful war.

Alexis Stephanovich Monomach

-- 
Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols
sjvn@access.digex.com
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From: awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr)
Subject: Re: safety for marshals (was: Re: Town Battle at the War)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:56:10 GMT

In article <Bu0DA7.7Ft@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.000532.19720@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr) writes:
>
>>So what does the Rialto think of this idea?  Any suggestions? (silly
>>me, of **course** there will be suggestions)
>
>Scouts have been using white diamonds for years to say "don't hit me".
>Why venture into the world of 1. using safety orange as an heraldic colour
>or 2. using safety orange at all, when white diamonds can do the job?

and in another article, someone (bother! didn't save it) mentioned
that small orange trianges are used and black and yellow spiraled
staves for marshals....

...so what else is used in the other laural kindoms and would it be
possible to come up with some sort of 'standard' to be used
everywhere?  and how hard would this be?

I like the black/yellow staff idea.  I think that I'd prefer the
orange triangles over white diamonds.  In many interkingdom fighting
events, the opposing sides would have (say) red or blue tape placed on
their helms.  Fighters on the 'red' team (for example) will sometimes
get the attitude of "if I see blue tape, HIT IT!"  Natural adrnaline
reaction on the field....  Since fighters are *already* looking for
*small* pieces of tape, I think that *small* orange triangles would
work better and still not be too obvious.  At least not much more than
the blue and red tape would be.

Aldric MacGlynn

-- 
Alan W. Kerr                               awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
National Radio Astronomy Observatory       awkerr@nrao.bitnet
Socorro, NM, USA                           uunet!nrao.edu!awkerr
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Elizabethan Fashions
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:22:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Aug26.192231.28292
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture

In article <1992Aug26.163901.26522@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl) writes:
> 
> 
> Can any one suggest where I can find patterns and/or info on creating
> Elizabethan clothes?  This would b for both men and women.  My local
> library doesn't have the right sort of stuff -- mostly play-type fashions.
> I'm new at this sort of thing, so please forgive any missteps in
> protocol.
> 
>                   Pattie Rayl
> 
> PS, Tudor fashins will be appreciated too, if that's all that's available.
> Thanks for the help!

Contact the Living History Center in San Francisco, CA. They put out
several rather good publications on Elizabethian costuming for the folk who
work at and attend the Renaissance Faires that they produce. The costumes
they have are DESIGNED to be worn as clothing, for whole weekends at a
time, rather than as stage costuming that only has to be worn for a few
hours.

I have their address and several of their publications, but it's still
packed in a box somewhere. (I'm moving this month. Whee!) I know my Lady
will have insisted on those materials coming with us and not going into
storage, so It should surface in a week or so. I'll post it if someone else
doesn't do so before I find them.

Jason of Rosaria, in the Barony of Adiantum, Kingdom of An Tir
<From Bear Paw Woodworks, which exists in Elizabeth's England!>

MKA Jay Brandt, Computer Support Specialist
University of Oregon, School of Architecture and Allied Arts
JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU
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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: consort gender
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:25:21 GMT

In article <D2mFqB2w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
>Subject: Re: consort gender
>Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 13:13:36 EDT
>halls@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott Hall) writes:
>
>> I think that same sex consorts might be considered under the ruling as swasti
>>
>> and pentagrams.  All three apperantly happened in period, but the support of
>> which could hurt the SCA.
>
>oh really?  the sca publically admitting that it has icky icky fags and dykes
>in it is too dangerous to do?  lovely.  luckily, some of us icky icky ones are
>too damned obvious to be swept under the rug.
>
>homophobia again rears its ugly head.  *bleah*
>

Naw....

Just an unwillingness to take risks.  The Society knuckles under to outside 
pressure faster than George Bush waffles to a poll or Slick Willie changes 
his view.
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