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From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: looking for one good album
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:51:46 GMT

I agree with Chuck on two of these!  Two categories I don't know
enough about... so here is one suggestion to add to Chuck's:

In article <1992Sep3.005718.27737@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
|> 
|> John R Laplante writes
|> 
|> > I've heard some names around here, but I'm looking for some
|> > nominations -- of ONE album to spend my tickets on.
|> > 
|> > Categories: Pop / Rock / Metal/ Alternative / Rap / Country
|> > 
|> > Please nominate an album from each category, or at least one
|> > album and specify the category.
|> 
|> Pop - Bryan Duncan, _Anonymous_Confessions_of_a_Lunatic_Friend_.

This is one of my most favorite christian albums.. (oops ;) cassettes!
Bryan tries a lot of various fun, upbeat stuff, alot is danceable and
the ballads are pretty honest and moving. The best word I can use to
describe it is "bold"!

|> Alternative - _Chagall_Guevara_.

I would recommend Adam Again's "Dig"... the music is *very*... I would
have to say, "releasing".  Its different from their first 3 albums.
Its got a lot of strong bass, strong guitar, strong drums, and the
sound seems to "fill the air", the harmonies make your blood flow.
Some of the lyrics at first seem dark or moody, but if you listen hard
you can see more of the hope, and the music is so strong it makes you
realize that God is faithful and he can get us through this rough life
down here!

|> Country - Lost Dogs, _Scenic_Routes_.
|> 	(Hey, if that's not a country album, I don't know what is.)

Its also a fun album!  They try to be silly in some of the songs,
playing with their voices trying to make it "twangy".

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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Tangent:  Song of Solomon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.154313.11675@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.212922.21868@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
> 
>>    The most common interpretation of the SONG OF SOLOMON is that it explains
>>     the love between Christ and the church (and vice-versa) in the
>>     analogy of the love between man and wife.

>God seems to hold for that kind of love.  You can read it as an
>allegory if you want to.  But I like the down-and-dirty parts just
>fine, and I like the fact that God considers them holy.

    Amen and amen.

  The question is one of biblical interpretation, to some extent --
  is the church the same as Israel? As a modified dispensationalist,
  I answer no. Others differ. So even if it is about God and Israel 
  (which I doubt), it doesn't necessarily follow that it applies to 
  the church

  Another issue concerns this whole thing of a (IMO) false distinction
  between sacred and secular, or of making "spiritual" things more
  important than "bodily." 

  Finally, a sillly question -- does the Church have breasts?

  If you read the book doesn't it just make sense as it appears at
  first glance? 

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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
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Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:59:00 GMT

jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes...
> Yes, this is a serious question, and I hold no position either way. I'm
> curious what others think. 
[...]
> Well, I'm quite a talented user of it myself, when I want to. And
> some of my favorite albums of all time (early Steve Taylor: I want
> to be a clone, Meltdown) are just loaded with it. And yet sometimes I
> get hte feeling that it is not a good thing for a Christian to do --
> I'm not sure why; perhaps because I've been listening to a radio talk
> show host who seems to make his points by ridiculing his opponents. 
> 
> My initial feeling is that sometimes sarcasm is appropriate, especially
> if directed towards ideas rather than people. But I'm at a loss to
> figure out when it IS appropriate.
> 
> Comments please (straight answers, please).  

I also consider myself fairly adequate in the sarcasm department, and while
sarcasm can be used very effectively to ridicule, attack, and belittle someone,
I also feel it can be used appropriately in humor or to make a point (ex. - 
Steve Taylor).

I don't really have a problem with sarcasm, but I know several people who
do. Oh well.

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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:11:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <Bu0ACw.1z8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson) writes:
 
 	Hi, I am the original poster, and I am NOT going to the U2 concert here
 in Urbana, IL.  Not because I would be offended at what they say, but the fools
 CANCELLED their concert.  
 	They (being U2 I guess) had hoped to sell 70,000 tickets, but only 
 managed to sell 25% of that.   This is odd considering that Madison, WI sold
 out in only one day.  I wonder if the $30 per ticket had anything to do with
 the low number of sales.

I saw on the mailing list that that show had been cancelled.  I was totally
shocked that only like, what, 17000 tickets were sold.  That's incredible.
I think almost every other show on the tour has sold out.  Atlanta sold out
the Omni (~15000, i think) back in March, on the night after the Rush concert,
and then sold out the Georgia Dome (~50000 due to stage placement) in a day.

The prices for all the shows i've heard of are $30 and up.  I paid  $32.50
for mine from TicketShafter.  How big a city is Urbana?  Are the colleges int
the area at home for summer break?  Are there only 17000 U2 fans in Illinois?
Enquiring minds want to know :-)

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Word suspends Warnke sales
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:48:26 GMT

In <107410189@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:

>Just noted in CCM "In The News" that Word has "suspended" sale of all Warnke 
>"product". Why they "flip-flopped" is beyond me, unless [warning: Bob's cyn-
>ical (TM) analysis] they decided that it was a better marketing decision to
>bail...

Hi. First post to this group from me.

I am really cynical about anything Word does. I'm a journalist, and I
have the harded time getting any kind of info about Word, provided
their kind enough to return my calls. (I guess I should add I'm
talking about Word Canada, based in Vancouver.)

I wonder if they will do the same thing if Sandi Patti's divorce goes
through? (What's the status of that, there's been nothing in NIRR
about it for a few weeks)

In my opinion, Word was probably backed into a corner after so quickly
jumping to Mr. Warnke's defence. Sorry, guys, but this evidence is
pretty solid, and the IRS stuff only makes it worse.


>Incidentally, I'm thinking about composing an open letter to CCM magazine 
>calling on it to use its insider position and journalistic strength to bring
>about better accountability within the industry and support for Christian
>artists who are trying to live a godly lifestyle within the generally 
>corrupting music culture...and posting it to get y'all to email in
signatures.

Count on my support. I've been planning a similar letter. I think way
too many "Christian" artists are doing ccm for the wrong reasons. It
was really bad timing that the Mike Warnke thing and Sandi Patti came
down in the same week. Made the entire industry look bad.

>Any comments on what we oughta say? I kinda think that if CCM (or Word, for
>that matter), got a letter with 200 signatures *from all over the planet*, they
>might perk up and pay attention...

First of all, you should congratulate Word on making the right
decision, even if it meant a complete flip-flop. But I would question
them as to why they supported him when the accusations came out, and
why they have tolerated *four* marriages of Warnke.

I would also ask them what guidelines they have in place to ensure
accountability, and what disciplinary action there is when these are
violated. 

Ask 'em what they're planning on doing with Sandi Patti's stuff if
here divorce goes through. Are they going to give her their full
backing, or will they cancel her recording contract?

>Bob ("start something") Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com


>P.S. don't start mailing me sig's *yet*.... 

Let me know.

Blessings,

Michael
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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.224235.6453@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
> Well, I'm quite a talented user of it myself, when I want to. And
> some of my favorite albums of all time (early Steve Taylor: I want
> to be a clone, Meltdown) are just loaded with it. And yet sometimes I
> get hte feeling that it is not a good thing for a Christian to do --
> I'm not sure why; perhaps because I've been listening to a radio talk
> show host who seems to make his points by ridiculing his opponents. 
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bingo!  I know of at least two Christian radio talk show hosts who do this
very thing and I find it extremely offensive.  I think it's arrogant and
highly disrespectful to nonChristians.  If I were a nonChristian I wouldn't
want to be like them, for sure.  And I find sarcasm also tends to mask the
absence of a good argument.  People who don't have anything solid to argue
with resort to ridicule.
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:08:23 GMT
Subject: Almighty God choral chart?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

I just heard a *fabulous* choral chart on KWBI-91.1 in Denver which I would
surmise is called "Almighty God". It sounds a bit like a praise-and-worship
song I may have heard somewhere, only "souped up" a bit. It was the first song
in a set and I arrived at work and by the time I got my walkman fired up at
my desk the set (and the obligatory credit/ID) was over.

Anyone have an idea who/what album, etc? BTW, it is *NOT* "Almighty" by Wayne
Watson...I know that song. There was a male voice that kind of floated out over
the choral parts, so I suspect a Marty Nystrom or Graham Kendrick/Hosanna/
Integrity origin...but I just got through sitting in their reading session two 
weeks ago at the C/A seminar and I didn't hear *THIS*!!!

Post or Email, just let me know if you know....this was SOME KIND OF chart!!!!

Bob (the vigilant music director...)Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.HP.COM
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From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Word suspends Warnke sales
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:31:02 CDT

In article <mjenkins.715371041@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>
>3) What if Warnke repents? This is the scenerio talked little about
>(from what I've seen anyway) but it would throw a monkey wrench into
>the entire thing for a couple of reasons. Some would see it as
>entirely a cynical move on Warnke's part, just another reason to make
>money (the NEW Mike Warnke on tour!). This would be more true if he
>was going to get sued big-time, as it would likely diffuse any
>potential litigation. But it may be genuine, which would be wonderful,
>and hopefully would bring the entire issue to a close.
>
>Mike

If he does repent, one would hope he would have the wisdom and humility to
take a break from public performances for several YEARS to let his
reputation heal. IMHO, he should spend this time doing something
non-glamorous, lest his ego get him in trouble again. Anything short of 
this would lead to lots of cynicism.

Look at how long it has taken Chuck Colson to get his reputation back -- he
is now considered "for real" by mainstream media, but it's been 20 YEARS
since Watergate.

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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:35:00 GMT
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes...
>absence of a good argument.  People who don't have anything solid to argue
>with resort to ridicule.

Oh yeah? Well......well.....well you're a silly ninny if I ever
saw one! So there! Take that! What a stupid argument you made! Gee!

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(with apologies to those who are humor-impaired)
From: djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:17:19 GMT

	Hi, I am the original poster, and I am NOT going to the U2 concert here
in Urbana, IL.  Not because I would be offended at what they say, but the fools
CANCELLED their concert.  
	They (being U2 I guess) had hoped to sell 70,000 tickets, but only 
managed to sell 25% of that.   This is odd considering that Madison, WI sold
out in only one day.  I wonder if the $30 per ticket had anything to do with
the low number of sales.
	I had 11th row seats too.  Oh well, guess I can buy their CD with the 
refund.

Dan.
djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:33:08 GMT
Subject: Word suspends Warnke sales
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

Just noted in CCM "In The News" that Word has "suspended" sale of all Warnke 
"product". Why they "flip-flopped" is beyond me, unless [warning: Bob's cyn-
ical (TM) analysis] they decided that it was a better marketing decision to
bail...

Incidentally, I'm thinking about composing an open letter to CCM magazine 
calling on it to use its insider position and journalistic strength to bring
about better accountability within the industry and support for Christian
artists who are trying to live a godly lifestyle within the generally 
corrupting music culture...and posting it to get y'all to email in signatures.

Any comments on what we oughta say? I kinda think that if CCM (or Word, for
that matter), got a letter with 200 signatures *from all over the planet*, they
might perk up and pay attention...

Bob ("start something") Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com

P.S. don't start mailing me sig's *yet*.... 

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From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: (TANGENT) Re: The Five Points of Fundamentalism 
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:31:07 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <drice.714967042@ponder>, drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice) writes:
|> I heard the same reply every time I complained at LBC as well ('84-'85).
|> Well, not every time.  Sometimes they said Pensacola Christian College
|> instead of BJU.
|> 
|> It was also said that PCC made BJU look like LBC.

Well, I've been to all three campuses, and it's always been my impression that
BJU was the strictest of the bunch, although they've relaxed the more super-
ficial rules alot in recent years.  Dr. Horton at PCC seems more pragmatic than
either of the Dr. Bobs, especially Jr. (Chancellor of BJU that was interviewed
by PBS).  You'll notice that PCC hasn't lost its tax exempt status, although
its student body is probably just as homogeneous (neither one of them is much
whiter than the secular school I graduated from, BTW).

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From: cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!)
Subject: Re: (globalWAVEsystem, XProp, SLAVA) Was: FAQ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:53:18 GMT

tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:

>>|        Circle of Dust: <...>
See my CoD review coming soon!


>>|    Global Wave System: <...> 

>I have the custom demo, and I really think that GWS has reached the closest
>thing in Christian industrial that I've heard that sounds like what I think
>of when I think of 'industrial.' The song "Commitment" shouldn't be used to
>judge the band by, imo, either. I really liked the demo, and am looking for-
>ward to GWS's release (it is still happening, ain't it, E! ?)

Did anybody on the net actually get the painted demo?  Just curious.  But 
anyway, we have recorded the album, which is to be called _life equals death_.
But there have been some problems in the business end of things, and so we
don't know when it will be out, or on what label.  It was going to be Blonde 
Vinyl in November, but now we aren't too sure.  The new material is generally
slower, I think, but better than the _Will Not Play With Power_ demos.  I will
copy _Will Not Play With Power 1.35_ for anyone who sends me a tape & postage:
***New address*** cE! / 610 E.Stoughton #309 / Champaign, IL 61820
OK, OK, OK...maybe I'll stick on a surprise or two from the new album.  Maybe.


>>|        X Propagation:  This band is a spinnoff from Dietiphobia.  It is
>>|	made-up of Brent Stackhouse, and at least one other person.  They
>>|	are featured on "Voice of the People."  Distorted vocals, and
>>|	Ministry-ish guitars.  Harder than Dietiphobia, but not as chaotic and
>>|	noizy as Mental Distruction or Blackhouse.  Not unlike Circle of
>>|	Dust, but with less of a metal feel.

XProp is Brent Stackhouse and Byron Payne, last I heard, and Wally Shaw has
done some work on it.  It is very UNLIKE Circle of Dust, but similar in that 
XProp will be using some real instruments, like bass guitar.  I heard a little
bit of the newer stuff, and it seems to be a funky, but sort of harder-core 
industrial.  I don't think they've really defined a style yet.  Interesting 
trivia point:  the guitar sound on "Flower" from the SLAVA Comp is not a guitar
at all.  It's not even a sample.  And it's the same sound that is used on the
DEITIPHOBIA: _Digital Priests the Remixes_ album.  Wow.  The trivia I know.


>X Propagation sounds cool to me. :)  Btw, I was told that some artists 
>from the Slava Compilation have been signed to do albums (whether full
>length or 6-song EP or what, I'm not sure). Anyway, the bands that I
>remember being mentioned were: Global Wave System, Prodigal Sons, and
>X Propagation. There may have been one or two more...but I've forgotten
>who they were. Oh well.

Exegesis and Icon Tack.  Whether this is still the case I'm not sure.
I think the P-Sons might be trying to put out an independent vinyl soon...which
is good, since I guess techo is only going to be hip for another 3 months.
globalWAVEsystem will not be on SLAVA, at least not the first album.  That much
I know (and I should!). 


christian E!
ce@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu
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From: omancd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Christopher D Oman)
Subject: Re: Steve Camp - Fire and Ice
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:34:03 GMT


Fire and Ice is one of my favorite songs from Steve Camp as well as most  
of the songs on One on One.  If you ever get the chance to see him in  
concert, go!  His concerts are unlike many of the contemporary christian  
concerts today.  He uses the time to minister and proclaim the Word of  
God.  Plus, he spends around a half-hour giving a sermon.  If you like his  
albums, you'll like him even better in concert.  I'm going to school in  
Terre Haute, IN and he's here Oct. 8.  You better believe I'll be there.

In Jesus love,
Chris O.

II Pet 1:3(NIV) - His divine power has given us everything we need for  
life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own  
grace and goodness.
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