HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: What Mara Missed!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 11:24:19 GMT


In article <1992Apr8.171225.7284@PacBell.COM>
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>><SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> (Jack Carroll) writes:

>>Mara, Mr.  Ry and his cart were "Best Float"!  I read it
>>right here in our very own soc.motss, so it has to be true.
>>How those brutal buns will surpass last year's effort takes
>>some imagining.....perhaps a Dauberesque turn is called for.

>You mean Schwark schould schlep his Schwishy Schlong on the
>back of a truck?  :-) --

Rather, Ry risks ruining his reputation by revealing relaxed
what really racy reprobates here relished reviewing rigid.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: The name claim to fame game
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:00:13 GMT

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
[my name derivation]
>Now, Michael, that is not what you told me.  As I remember it, you coined it
>from that fatty mixture of glop that you color you hair with whose main
>ingredient is Haines mayonaisse.  Being henna-like in consistency, you...
>oh never mind.  

now, richard. you don't want to give away any secrets. and besides,
mayonaisse is not condom-safe. i think. only my hairdresser knows for
sure...

>At least Eamonn's name came from a random word generator. 

eamonn? anything to say about this?

--mike
From: dise@vector.uoregon.edu (David Ellsworth-Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed at my high school (anonymous post)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:58:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Apr15.205803.24226
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

Of course, you probably can't do anything, being a minor and all.  (Someone  
mentioned how minors are slaves, and it is really true in this society.)
 
However, your state may have confidentiality laws.  In Oregon, if you went to  
anyone on staff and discussed your sexuality (for example) and they  
subsequently violated that confidence, they could be easily placed in jeopardy  
of losing their job.  (The thinking here is that teachers and counselors are in  
positions of power making them capable of extracting confidential information  
inadvertently, and that sharing confidential information is a flagrant abuse of  
their position of authority.)

Then again, pursuing this sort of action would also require that you come out  
to some people (e.g. administrators).  Chances are it isn't worth it, and when  
you graduate (in two months, I assume) you can just leave and find somewhere a  
little more modern.
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Violence against us.
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:50:25 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Apr9.121931.18454@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
writes:
>STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
>[story of STella's physical defense of bashee and interruption of
>bashing deleted]
> >the kid says the thing that put me closer to initiating force than
> >I've been in years... "I'm really sorry you lowered yourself to their
> >level."
>
>One of the first articles I recall by Clay Bond (I already had a
>sense of Clay from other articles, but this is one of the first that
>I can recall clearly enough to describe it) was about how he came to
>the physical defense of a couple of unbutch (that's litotes) guys
>in a bar, and was thanked more or less the way STella was.  Again,
>not until it was all over.

	Funny, I hadn't thought of Clay's story recently
	(I remember it well), but recently I had the occasion
	to recall being in a similar situation.

	A friend and I threw a known homophobe and harrasser
	out of a bar we used to hang out in -- not violently,
	just firmly.  After this creep had left, someone ran
	up to us and complained, "You were going to hit him!"
	(We were not, unless he had tried to assault us, first.)
>
>I am not trying to find any moral in this.

	Only two come to my mind: (1) With some people, you can't
	do anything right, and (2) There are a lot of dimwits
	out there.
>
> >But I wasn't volunteering for a brawl to save one weedy little
> >pacifist, but to keep bashing from being seen as acceptable, so I
> >guess it was more OK than not....

	I like the way STella put that last point.  I agree.
	In my case, it was to preserve a little peace and
	"safe space," and to keep the guy from harrassing
	people, including us.

	(BTW, Owen, this is the jerk that you and James got rid
	of on an earlier occasion.)
>
>Yup.  The fact that the kid was wrong doesn't mean that the
>attackers were right.

	Agreed.

	I think the definition of "pacifism" that equates self-
	(or friend- or peer-) defense with war, is just as peculiar
	a kind of doublethink as that well-known philosophy that
	says we should submit to indignities in our personal life
	but subscribe wholeheartedly to state-sponsored slaughter.

	(I know I'm at odds with Gandhi on this, but I guess I
	can live with that.  :-)

	Best, -R


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:42:46 CDT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <ku3kfaINN7rr@news.bbn.com>, levin@oakland.bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
    writes:
> In the adolescent stuff he frequently adopted a sort of prepubescent
> attitude.  I am thinking of a short story whose title I don't
> remember, in which the precocious teenaged heroine is planning to be
> an engineer in partnership with her precocious male friend.  (This
> takes place on the moon.)  She refuses to acknowledge the fact that
> she is jealous of the beautiful tourist from earth who her friend is
> showing around; only at the end of the story does she "catch on".

That's "The Menace from Earth".  Irritating little story,
isn't it?  "Hardesty and Hardesty.  It really does sound
better."  :(

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
From: doctor@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Bao-Phac Do)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:21:19 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montral VLSI lab.

In article <1992Apr13.094024.1490@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.003753.12441@cs.ubc.ca> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>>Not being a lesbian, I became a computer scientist.
>
>I wish I had a quotes file.
>-- 
>                __
>nelson@reed.edu \/  Look, over there, it's a real dog and it's really talking

Top ten reasons to go into Computer Science

10. Computer center has the best climate control on campus.
9.  Too ethical to go into Business Administration.
6.  Want to impress women with in-depth knowledge of "ls" command.
8.  Got an Amiga for Christmas and don't know what to do with it.
7.  Adhesive tape is cheaper than new glasses.
5.  Nothing better to do on Saturday night.
4.  Want to go to work in "comfortable" clothes.
3.  Just can't quit playing Empire!
2.  Can't let that high school typing class go to waste.

And the number one reason to go into Computer Science...

1.  Couldn't hack the math in Electrical Engineering.


[Ripped from Usenet]

d0c
From: gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:32:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr9.082607.14630@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>My favourite pair of shoes are *none at all*. I'm a barefoot boy. I
>usually carry around a pair of Chinese black slippers in my back
>pocket in case a restaurant gets officious, but I haven't found much
>of a problem with that in Oregon.
>
>I love the little Chinese black slippers. They're cheap, portable, can
>pass as semi-formal wear, and are comfortable. When I was in high
>school I was forced to wear a school uniform. What did I do to express
>my individuality? I took psychedelics and painted the slippers all
>trippy. Sort of silly, but I enjoyed having weird shoes in a straight
>prep school.
>
Thank goodness.  I thought I was the only fag who loved those things.
Of course my motorcycle boots are also a favorite :-) 

Later,
George

-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
From: gnn@heisenberg.Berkeley.EDU (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:23:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rvrptINNncn
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: heisenberg.berkeley.edu

In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>Some fall into all three categories, of course, but there were no
>inexpensive boots which were both comfortable and cheap, and I'm not
>floating in money at the money, so I ended up bootless.
>
Have you looked at Engineer/Motorcycle boots yet ??

>So today I have a like-new pair of boots with a wonderful leather/polish
>aroma.  But you know what?  You don't walk in boots the way you walk in
>shoes.  I don't have the hang of it yet.  I feel like I'm going to fall
>over, and I probably look like someone who is trying to look butch, but not
>succeeding.
>
>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>about the proper way to walk in boots?
>
You have to amble more.  You roll over from heel to toe as you walk.
The best way to walk in boots IMHO is to relax as you walk.

I don't think I can give you major pointers on being butch though ;-)

Now if you want to know how to flirt, well we can talk about that on
the train.

Later,
George


-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dill@world.std.com (David Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:25:03 GMT

henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) wrote: 
>->Also, Georgia does have sodomy laws, but it wouldn't be the first sodomy
>->law state to host a con.  Being a recently transplanted Atlantan in
>->Boston, I discovered I'm still breaking the law.
>
>... but, unlike in georgia, you'll never be prosecuted for it unless
>the state supreme court changes its mind (you see, they ruled that law
>was unenforceable *years* ago ... )

Not so.  You are thinking of the adultery law.  The court has not ruled 
recently on the enforcability of the (perhaps unconstitutionally vague)
Massachusetts sodomy law.  While the law hasn't been enforced in a long time,
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 05:55:42 GMT
Organization:  

In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) (that's
me!!) wrote:
>
>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>about the proper way to walk in boots?

There's generally agreement that you have to stand tall and strut.  Hell
down first, them the sole.

I have to say that I don't understand how women can wear high heels.  Heel
down seems to me to be the natural way to walk with heels (my boots have
about an inch), and I found it almost impossible to walk toe down first -
not that I'd want to.  

You can't tiptoe in boots - everybody's gonna know you're coming. 

-----

Speaking of, an acquaintance who used to live in Houston told me that some
talk lanky Texans, when about to reach their peak of sexual excitement,
drawl "Ah'm fixin' ta cum!"

If you can drawl with an exclamation point.


-- 

------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton         jfh@netcom.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: lack of humility
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: hello, american academy
Organization: osu, outil, lsa, stanford,...
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:34:13 GMT

it appears that in my various absences people have suggested
a number of projects for me.  i'm mulling over the possibility
of an arn{e, old} hymn to malescent, but while i'm trying to
bend my mind around that idea, i thought i'd take a page from
the celebrated harpsichordist and cabalist jess anderson...and
indulge in a shocking display of inhumility.

by which i mean that i'm announcing that i have just been named
to the american academy of arts and sciences.  there were four
linguists - two historical linguists one generation ahead of me,
and two theoretical linguists, me and david dowty (both from
ohio state and both gay).  

some other new fellows:
  in mathematics: john horton conway
  in engineering sciences and technologies: william gates,
     juris hartmanis, daniel hillis
  in public affairs and business administration: leslie gelb,
     paul volcker
  in educational and scientific administration: donna shalala
     [jess's prez]
  in literature: don de lillo, william gaddis, allen ginsberg,
     maxine hong kingston, scott momaday, joyce carol oates,
     john edgar wideman [this is where i begin to feel faint...]
  in fine arts: leon fleisher, seiji ozawa, leonard slatkin

i am filling out the form, which is not too bad as forms go.
but they want a 5x7 glossy of me.  [of photophobic moi?]

only fleetingly do i have the thought that this is some cruel
joke...

arnold
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Not at all  Re: Con '92 Housing
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:39:59 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
 >Mara Chibnik (mara@panix.com), who 
 >is *such* a thoughtful guest, wrote:
I truly don't know what he means.  I told him the wrong time, showed
up empty handed, and my moustachioed companion was half asleep.  

 >You're too kind, and it was WELL worth the wait!  [George the
 >Modest, of course, knows *precisely* what we're talking about.]

Who's George?  Or should it be:  Whose George?

  >> We saw the crocuses by starlight.....
 >But were they as good as the snowdrops?  [Somehow, I feel 
 >that *our* travel stories don't have the....pizzazz of
 >Tsilke's or FJ!!'s.]

No, but I don't have the energy to live through such events.  I
suppose we could make something up.

[unprofitable wait at the station]
 >[Not to mention all the hot, moustachioed commuters -- the
 > minutes *flew* by.]
Ah, yes, but if it hadn't been for that typo you'd have been there
at 5:45 to see that wondrous Turkish style delight I mentioned to
you.  (The scenery at New Carrollton Station is really pretty
amazing, I must say.)


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@polari.com
Subject: Re: QN and Kiss Ins
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:06:09 GMT

In article <92100.004829IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
     Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>Wilde-Stein (our campus' GLBO organization) was going to have a
>kiss-in for pride, ooops, sorry Awareness Week.  it turned into
>a Public Display of Affection.  i saw pictures later.  it was a hug-in,
>and mostly motos hugging.  B(  boring.

>*sigh*  i have to get out of maine.  hug-ins.  blech.

   Ailsa!  Really... motss hug-ins are pretty shocking, expecially if
your neighborhood is as "provincial" as you make it out to be.  Often,
a breif kiss can be ignored... someone has to come up for air!  Bug an
hour-long cuddle is pretty obvious.

   Sure, shock is fun.  Showing affection, however, can be *powerful*.

>                                     -ailsa

            Elf !!!
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Crusades (was Re: Deletions)
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:55:28 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

>>>Favorite quote: "Back in '85 my Amiga was juggling windows like a pro when
>>>                 MSDOS still thought the world could fit in 650K"
>>
>>The quote loses a little force, I think, by being
>>technically incorrect.  The number is 640K.

I'm not going to get into this infantile discussion of which home
computers can beat up which other home computers. However, there is
someone else who is even more tired of it than any of us.  From the
letters section of PC Magazine:
	
	I'm tired of hearing statements like "The designers of
	MS-DOS, Version 1.0, arbitrarily divided that first
	megabyte of memory into 640K RAM for the operating system
	and applications and 384K reserved for hardware."
	
	As the sole designer of MS-DOS, Version 1.0, I did no such
	thing.  In fact, the first computer that ran DOS (made by
	Seattle Computer Products, not IBM) could have a full mega-
	byte of memory for DOS and applications.  The system ROM 
	occupied only the last 2K of the address space, but even
	that could be switched out after bootup so that not 1 byte
	of the megabyte would be lost.
	
	Those of us who lived with the 64K address space of the 
	8080/Z80 had learned our lesson.  IBM, unfortunately, did
	not.  They alone decided to build memory-mapped hardware
	right into the middle of our precious address space.  I am
	mystified as to why anyone would consider this poor hardware
	design to be an aspect of DOS.  DOS uses as much contiguous
	memory as can be made available.
		Tim Paterson
		Redmond, Washington
		
--
                 David R. Preston      drp@dosbears.uucp
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: domestic partners in l.a.
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Anaheim, California
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:08:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.002100.23643@morrow.stanford.edu> CT.A81@forsythe.stanford.edu (LFRibeiro) writes:
>anybody out there know about domestic partner laws? is anywhere in
>the l.a. area really advanced and in the books? reply to -
>comly@acropolis.stanford.edu. thanks, lfr

The city of Laguna Beach in Orange County (!!!) just passed a DP law.
You have to apply for a certificate, which is essentially a like a
marriage liscense, but only recognized in Laguna.
From: buckmr@RPI.EDU (Rondel K. Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: NYQ is no more!
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:18:05 GMT


NYQ is changing it's name to QW because there already is a magazine called NYQ
[New York Quarterly]. This change is effect as of the first issue in May.

---
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific.  It is IN
the Pacific.  It is a part of the United States that is an island that
is right here." --Vice-President J. Danforth Quayle, Hawaii, September 1989.
From: was1+@pitt.edu (Scott A Wayne)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Dinosaurs!!
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:00:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


	Hello,
		I am new to newsgroups and find this one particularly
interesting.  I am a 19 year old bisexual male.  I feel that the episode
of "Dinosaurs" mentioned in this post is quite analogous to the issues
of gays and bisexuals vs. society's view of "normal".  Just for the
record, I feel that there is no such thing as normal.  Everyone is an
individual with separate characteristics.  One is only normal to their
own standards and has no right to pass judgement on anyone else's
"normality".  Now that I have said my piece, I will go in peace.  BTW,
I am interested in making new friends that I can talk openly to about
my bisexuality.  If you are interested in talking to me and maybe becoming
my friend, please E-Mail me or post a response to this message.  It is
much appreciated.

					- Wayne
-- 
* Wayne A. Scott            !            was1+@pitt.edu              *
* Electrical Engineering    !  "My opinion was paid for by the same  *
* University of Pittsburgh  !   blood that bought every American's   *
* Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania  !   opinion - our soldier's blood."      *
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:48:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36215
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <kukfq2INNcj0@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>But two can play at this game, Mlinar.  From henceforth I demand that
>if you refer to me by name, you pronounce it in the correct, Norwegian
>way.  Yes, that includes the rising and falling tones.  And forget
>the Americanized spelling of my last name -- it should be "Adolfsen",
>as it was until 45 years ago.  Bonus points if you pronounce my middle
>name (Ole) correctly.

Ya sure, ya betcha, Arne.  Would ya be bringin' some ludefisk to the
con, now would ya?  Ack, but the winds are good and the fishes be runnin'.
(believe it or not, but this could be an actual conversation in Ballard, Wa)

--mark
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 14 Apr 1992 12:58:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <36215@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
...
> Ya sure, ya betcha, Arne.  Would ya be bringin' some ludefisk to the
> con, now would ya?  

I would rather die than eat decomposed cod ever again.  I ate more
than my fill as a child, thank you ever so much.

>                      Ack, but the winds are good and the fishes be runnin'.
> (believe it or not, but this could be an actual conversation in Ballard, Wa)

So you've met my relatives?

Arne
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway fags (was Re: Basic Instinct protests)
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:53:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr2.121541.11745@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.061420.27070@reed.edu>,
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> Curious, I found Drowning by Numbers fairly boring...
>
>I survived by watching it on video
>and keeping track of the numbers on a piece of paper.


Gee, I loved it... Saw it twice in the theatre...


>> My favourite Greenaway is still The Cook, the Thief, his Wife, and her Lover.
>
>One of my friends was an extra leaning on a grand piano,

Gee, I thought that other than "Belly of an architect" that The cook,etcetc
was his weakest movie thus far...


>> Someone else asked about the dancer who played Caliban in "Prospero's Books".
>
>I support the *idea* of Michael Clark,
>but, curiously, I find him utterly sexless.


Michael Clark was also in Edward II.


FWA
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Exercise (Was Re: anyone know anything about laundry?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:25:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: zola.j7h0rgk
Reply-To: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <ktuviqINN5e1@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphson writes:
>I am currently attempting to get myself in shape (I have my
>reasons), 

Don't we all, dear.

>but I loathe gym-type exercise. [...] Does anyone out there
>have any suggestions for what I can do?

Rollerblades, hon.  It's the new hip-trendy fag thing to
do...

m.

Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss