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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Kissinger, Ajami, and Rather display Anti-Arab Bigotry at Israeli Benefit
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:57:31 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <26872@life.ai.mit.edu> gwydion@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mercenary Programmer) writes:
|Waleed A Muhanna wrote:
|  ...   But, I suppose that
|  is perfectly okay for Mr. Shostack and the Shamir crowd since it serves 
|  to reinforce zionist propaganda and spreads hatred and bigotry against 
|  the Arabs.

|In article <94066@bu.edu> gene@cs.bu.edu (Gene Itkis) writes:
|  Isn't it funny - Waleed was decrying one man's making
| generalizations, if you forgot the context... So, are sweeping
| oversimplifications ok or not, Waleed? 

| As of this point, Waleed has only named two people: Shostack and
| Shamir.  Waleed is no doubt aware of Shamir's political views, and is
| therefore able to formulate an opinion that is appropriate for him.
| He has had some exposure to Shostack's viewpoints, and should
| therefore be able to do the same.

| As of the above, he has definitively mentioned only two people.  Until
| he says anything about who exactly the "crowd" is, I doubt that it can
| be properly said that he is making any sweeping oversimplifications
| based on his above statements.

By placing me in the same category as Mr. Shamir, he has characterized
everyone between rightist Laborites (Which is about where I'd put
myself) and Likudniks as "spreaders of hatred and bigotry."

If he'd like to criticize my position, I believe that Mr. Muhanna can
do so without spewing angry invectives.  It makes for a much more
pleasant debate when all invloved are careful to avoid name-calling,
ad hominum attacks, broad based generalizations, carelessly used
undeifed terms, and the like.

There are people on both sides guilty of these tactics.  I'd like to
see people think a little, take a valium once a day, and think if
there is a less insulting way to phrase what it is they post.

Thank you, and have a nice weekend.

Adam

Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.atheism,soc.women,soc.men
From: fmag9694@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Fouad M. Abdel-Rahim)
Subject: Arabic Truetype
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:02:16 GMT
Keywords: Arabic TrueType


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     I am looking for ARABIC TRUETYPE FONTS for windows 3.1

     Does it exist ? If yes, Where ?
     Shareware ......... FTP Site
     Commercial......... Company

     Any help will be much appreciated.
     Thanks in advance.
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     Fouad Abdel-Rahim
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Lois White)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Music
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:04:40 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

For some good, creative use of guitar in Arabic music check out some of
cassettes of the Lebanese drummer Setrak Serkessian, especially vol. 8,
on which there are 2 outstanding taqseems (taqaasem) played on
electric guitar.
From: hareb_s@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Book ----------2nd edition
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:42:14 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


		ANNOUNCING THE SECOND EDITION OF


			PROPHET MUHAMMAD
		The last messenger in the Bible

			written      by:
			 Kais Al Kalby



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Part 4:  WHY THEY HAVE CHOSEN ISLAM
Part 5:  GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT ISLAM

Comparison of the English, Hebrew and Arabic Bible with the Quran showing the
references side by side. Over 600 pages -- including maps, pictures, documents
and references. Follow the life and mission of the prophet muhammad through the
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A guide to the Islamic religion and practices.

To order please send check or money order for $28 (including postage and
handling) to :

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P.O.Box 561
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If you would like to contact the auther of the book, please call
(801) 753 5787    



=========================================================================
			Excerpts from the book

Isaiah 21:13 The inspiration upon Arabia, in the forest in Arabia shall ye
lodge.

Genesis 15:18 In that same day, the Lord made a covenant with Abraham, saying,
unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the grat
river, the river Eu-phrates.

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a
kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to
other poeple, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and
it shall stand forever.

St. Matthew 21:43 (Jesus is saying) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of 
God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits 
thereof.




-Is it possible that the prophet and the messenger of God (Allah), Muhammad
 (peace be upon him) is mentioned in the Bible by name?
-Who is the [prince of the world] mentioned in the Gospels?
-Why did many christian and jewish religious leaders and scholars become 
 Muslims after they studied the holy scriptures?

The answers for these and many other thought provoking questions are surely
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.yugoslavia,talk.politics.misc
From: angel@herald.usask.ca (Joseph F. Angel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Kuwaiti abbreviation?
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:21:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

In article <1992Aug21.202736.15538@meaddata.com>, timk@meaddata.com (Tim
Klein) wrote:
> 
> 
> I hope readers of this newsgroup can answer this question.
> 
> 
> Some businesses in Kuwait use the abbreviation "S.A.K." in their names.
> For example:   Willco Kuwait S.A.K.
> 	       Commercial Bank of Kuwait, S.A.K.
> 
> 
> What does this abbreviation stand for?  Please don't guess -- I need
> a definite answer.  Thank you very much for your help.
> 
> Tim Klein  (timk@meaddata.com)

The SA in SAK stands for "societe anonyme", the French term for a limited
liability corporation (similar to Inc.).  The K,..., well!

Joe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,alt.war
Subject: Re: DAY DREAMERS ABOUT ISTANBUL Part-2
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:08:30 GMT
Followup-To: talk.bizarre
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Aug9.203149.4654@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, by mghg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Hasan Gencturk):
> MY RESPONSE IS GIVEN IN CAPITAL LETTERS WHEREAS MR. VILJANEN'S MESSAGE
> IS IN SMALL LETTERS.

YES, AND IT SURE LENDS CREDENCE TO YOUR ARGUMENTS (arguments?  well,
ramblings) IF YOU SHOUT THEM.  YOUR OPINION IS LARGE, AND HIS IS
SMALL, AS IT SHOULD BE.

> SURE, WE HAVE THIS POWER. JUST REMEMBER OUR INDEPENDENCE WAR, AND
> X-SOVIEST-S DEMAND TO CONTROL THE STRAITS AFTER WWII. NOBODY COULD
> SUCCEED TO TAKE IT FROM US, AND WILL NOT.

Yes, be happy that you had NATO to back you up.

> SMALL. BUT WHAT WE HAD AND HAVE IS OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR SOVEREIGNTY AND
> FREEDOM. WE CAN NOT LIVE ONCE WE LIVE OUR FREEDOM. 

Sounds quite similar to what the Kurds say of themselves.

> OUTDATED, MILITARY EQUIPMENT, WE DID NOT HAVE EVEN ENOUGH SOLDIERS AFTER
> 10 YEARS OF CONTINUING WAR BETWWEN 1911 AND 1919. BUT THIS DID NOT STOP
> US FROM FIGTHING FOR OUR INDEPENCE AND KICKING TH GREEKS OUT OF
> ANATOLIA.

Yes, where they had settled for millenia before ever a Turk set foot
on that soil.

> TRUE. BNUT REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL HAVE THAT POWER TO KEEP IT.

You can't remember things that are in the future.

> I S T A N B U L   W I L L   F O R E V E R   B E L O N G   T O  T U R K S.

(picture him jumping into the air, not shouting now, but screaming
gleefully, shaking his fists.  What did they feed to that guy?)

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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: basu@remus.rutgers.edu (sid-darth vader)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: If Saddam were smart and patriotic
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:52:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	If Saddam were truly smart and considered
himself an Arab first he would resign in favor of
Iraq merging into Syria. Both Iraq and Syria are
run by the Baath Party which have similar philosophies
differing only because of the personal rivalry between
Saddam and Assad. If Saddam steps aside the Baath Party
apparatus will be able to provide a workable political
order. As it is war-damaged Baghdad will consume millions
for reconstruction. Might as well stick with Damascus as
the capital of a new U.A.R.
	Think of the this new Arab super-state stretching
from the Persian Gulf to the Medit, with oil, industries,
commerce. Lebanon is already part of Assad's domain.
This way he will have a 2 million man army on Israel's
frontline. 
	By making way for the union, Saddam will have
reversed the political succeses of the coalition that
defeated him. Syria, as a member of that coalition is
exempt from any international sanctions. The world would
welcome the departure of Saddam Hussein.
	Just think about it!
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:08:57 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <l8vtc7INN20b@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

>Well, today after 16 years the price has decreased from $30.
>Even though various economies depend on it and it has been a
>major lever, the producers have not been able to get the
>market price. Who supports the people in OPEC cartel?
>Why was Shah Faisal killed if not for realizing the oil as
>a weapon.
>
>In USA the price of oil as fuel is 3 times less than 
>Britain or Germany. Why did the coalition got together
>against Iraq and not agains Serbs?
>
>Why would the USA not support democracy in countries that
>do produce oil?

  Well, kinda off the subject of economics here, but a few things to
point out between these two wars-

  1) Serbia did not take any U.S. citizens hostages

  2) The Balkan countries are involved in a civil war more or less-
     kind of like Hussein trying to purge the Kurds from his country.
     Notice that the U.S. did nothing to stop this before in Iraq- it
     was the invasion of a soverign neighboring country that forced the
     U.S. to take action.  Judging from the past U.S. actions, it is
     unlikely that the U.S. will involve itself in a military conflict
     over what the current administation preceives as a civil war.

  3) There is no clear protagonist in this conflict that Bush can easily
     confront and verbally attack; it is a complicated situation and the
     Bush administration would prefer to pay lip service rather than touch 
     that tar baby during a crucial election year.

  4) If anyone should be leading an effort to stop the war between the
     Balkan countries, it should be Europe (the EC council or whatever), not 
     the U.S. (MHO of course)

 
   Doug
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
From: hani@gilasun.engin.umich.edu (Hani Nassif)
Subject: Re: ARABIISIM AND ISLAM
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:26:42 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@gilasun.engin.umich.edu


Guys (M.G., AJaber, etc.....)

Please take this discussion to "personal" email, since it is 
personal and has nothing to do with this newsgroup. 
Hope we can talk freely but also responsibly and maturely...
_Hani
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From: khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:58:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: Biology Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Bogus claims and ideas given by Doug Fierro on the subject.  Think of
these things in a more rational and sensible way.

Regards,
Rasheed.
From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: MONITOR:soc.culture.arabic
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:49:32 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Fisrt : I really don't appreciate the idea of "monitoring" a newsgroup. It has a
positive side of telling others who don't have time to read that group if there
is something interesting. But the negative side is that a parallel discussion 
may be held in s.r.Islam about what we have written without our knowledge. 
Sometimes it's frustrating. So please, Mr Zantout, when you are sending a copy
to our friends at s.r.I, just tell them we are insterested in their feedback.

rached@taylor.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) writes:
: Article: 6309 of soc.culture.arabic
: 
: IN NEWS.ADMIN,  zafar@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi) says:
: 
: }>Recently, three new newsgroups were created in "alt" group hierarchy.
: }>Among those three, one is "alt.moslem.wanted.gay". 
: 
: }>Needless to say, muslim community on net is very much offended
: }>by the creation of this group. 
: 
: 
: I leave it to others to explain to Mr. Kazmi what the alt net is. It
: is worth pointing out, though, that just becuause a religious or other
: cultural group has certain ideals, it does not follow that the world
: at large is obligated to help that group maintain a whitewashed
: picture of that group. Many Christians believe their religion forbids
: homosexuality; many homosexuals identify themselves as Christians. Few
: Christians go so far as to deny the _existence_ of gay Christians --
: though some Muslims on the net have denied the existence of gay
: Muslims. Perhaps hard-line American Muslims are more strict than their
: Arabic brethren on this issue -- after all, Ali Laaridh, the spokesman
: of the Tunisian Islamic movement Annadha, is homosexual, and is
: receiving criticism about this more from the NON-Islamic government of
: Tunisia than from his fellow Tunisian Muslims. 
: 
: I'm often struck by the inherent contradiction of the pronouncements
: of Muslim doomsayers on the net: first they tell us, "you will have to
: answer to Allah one day" and three lines later it's "I feel like doing
: a little of Allah's work for him RIGHT NOW!" Can't Allah take care of
: himself? Meanwhile, can't we have a little tolerance?
: 
: 
:              greg

  I'll not comment on the "sensitive" part of the subject (religion, gays,
  all the other stuff) ( i'm not a Muslim). But i thought that EVEN AN ALT
  GROUP, must be created after a voting procedure which hasn't been respected.
  If the guy wants to speak about, "Muslim gays", then he has THE OBLIGATION
  of asking readers of concerned groups (Mluslims, gays, readers of related
  groups,..etc). This group is in direct violation of the USENET rules.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: uk02757@nx21.mik.uky.edu (jeffrey t hazelwood)
Subject: 1000 APOLOGIES
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:57:45 GMT

Alsalaam Alaykum,


WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??

I return to the university and check my account and there are alot of  
letters from pissed off people all over the world.  Apparently, someone,  
has been somehow using my account to post trash to different newsgroups.

IT WAS NOT ME

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EMAIL:     uk02757@mik.uky.edu
From: ttt@cmi.no (Tore Tjomsland)
Subject: Fundamentalism in Tunisia
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:00:49 GMT

Hey!

I have just been on a vacation to Tunisia.
Having been to Tunisia, it seems strange to me
that the fundamentalists won the election in
Algeria. Tunisia looks quite westernized, 
especially the young poeple, and my experience
is that most people enjoy beeing westernized.
At least that were the impression from the
tourist towns. I also went to some none-tourist
parts of the country. It might be that the
tunisians in these parts of the country had a
different view.

Official sources say that about 150 - 200
fundamentalists are in prison in tunisia.
But I've also (unofficial of course) heard
numbers as high as 30 000.

Is there anybody on this newsgroup who has an 
opinion on the number of tunisian fundamentalists
in prison ?

AND: Have you got an idea of the percentage of
fundamentalists in Tunisia (I mean: If there
were a leagal election, like the one in Algeria,
how many percentages of the votes would the
fundamentalists get ???) ?

By the way:
I love Tunisia and the tunisians. The muslim
hospitality must be the worlds number one.
But I do certainly not like the salesmen in
the tourist districts. For many tourists these
salesmen are the only arabs they get in contact
with on a typical vacation in Tunisia. Of course
they think that all arabs must be like them:
"Please dont go, please dont go, please dont go!
Only one dinar mister, one dinar, one dinar.
Deutsch? English ? Swedish ?
Please, make me happy...visit my shop!
Hey, dont go! Mrs.! Your husband is a very 
bad man!!!  Fuck you!!

etc.
etc."

It is a very sad fact that these salesmen give
the tourist a very wrong and bad impression
of the arab man.

Tore Tjomsland
Kolstien 101
5030 LANDAAS
Norway

e-mail:  ttt@cmi.no













ttt   :-)
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From: adam@flicker.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Kissinger, Ajami, and Rather display Anti-Arab Bigotry at Israeli Benefit
Keywords: racism, CBS, New Republic, U.S. News and World Report
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:50:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug19.185016.25570
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <Bt7H07.MKo.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.171142.695@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug17.195626.16284@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:

|>>	Why didn't Rather object to Kissinger's assertion that "you can't
|>>really believe anything an Arab says"? Perhaps the explanation has to do
|>>with the attitudes that prevail at his workplace. To watch the CBS Evening
|>>News is to see the Middle East through the eyes of Israel.  And in the
|>>world view, Palestinian people look very small and far away.

|>Watch it guys.  This is begining to sound like "the Jews control the
|>media."  It would be pretty sad to see a piece decrying racism decend
|>into anti-Semitism...

|Certainly we need to be careful but its hard sometimes...like the time
|the chairman of CBS called Mike Wallace a "self-hating Jew" for his piece
|on the massacre at the Dome of the Rock.
|
|I want to be careful that I am not perceived as perpetuating this notion that
|"Jews control the media", however, it is clear that there is a certain amount
|of difficulty in presenting reports critical of Israel without being
|branded an "antisemite" or "self-hating Jew"; certainly more
|difficulty than even in Israel!

Part of that difficulty is the fault of people like Arf and Ralph
Winston.  When flamage of that level is the norm in the group, it can
become difficult to keep ones cool and argue rationally.

The claim that "To watch the CBS Evening News is to see the Middle
East through the eyes of Israel" certainly stinks to me.  The fact
that an anchor made one comment, not on the air, b does not justify
this remark.  A survey of 6 months of CBS evening news, showing a
pattern of distortion, pro-Israel slant, etc, would justify this.  I
don't claim that Rather was completely in the right.  On the surface
its definetly a statement that some people would consider inflamatory.
(I leave flammage as to its truth and desirability to other postings.)
However, the reaction was hyperbole that, to me, stunk of old
prejudices.

|>>	And perhaps the new media of this country will tell Henry
|>>Kissinger that he owes Arab people an apology.

|>Only if we get to see a full transcript of the evening, to see what it
|>was Kissinger actually said.  I won't damn anyone on partial evidence
|>in a newspaper column.

|I second this request.

A later posting gave this number:
A full transcript of the event is available by calling FAIR at (212)
633-6700.  I haven't had a chance to call yet.




|>Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

|Anwar Mohammed


Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.