HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gtoal@nyx.cs.du.edu (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: No subject
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:31:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.175339.7945@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>I got sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu last year, when I was in London and had
>permission to use machines there to log on to the other side of the
>pond.  It would probably be a breach of local regulations for me to
>do it from Cambridge, however, and having the address in a .sig I'm
>using in local groups might well get it unwelcomely(sic) noticed.  I
>do *not* like having the book thrown at me -- particularly as I only
>just about talked my way out of a suspension for laser-printer abuse
>last year....

Oh well, there's no point in saying what I was going to say anyway, because
nyx is collapsing in a heap because some asshole kiddy hacker trashed
the password file, and the sys admin is tightening up on registration
procedures - you'd have to register with a photographic proof of
identity and a dollar cheque.  Which will make it well nigh impossible
for Brits to get an account :-(

Cambridge really are the most fascistic net site in the UK by the way,
from what I've heard lately.  Buy yourself a modem and bypass the
university if you can afford it.

G
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: PC
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:01:39 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <BxqD02.Dwn@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>As they should!  It shows you haven't thought the problem through.
>
>1) The complaint against styrofoam packaging wasn't that it didn't recycle
>   but that it was made with CFC gases.

>2) Most styrofoam nowadays *doesn't* contain CFCs.
>
>3) Recycling paper is detrimental to the environment.  The mass of trees
>   is not from stuff exracted from the ground, but primarily carbon extracted
>[...]

1)  The quote is one that I dug up from about 4 years ago, so #2 is
invalid.

2)  You missed the point.  I'm not going to continue this because soc.bi
isn't the right forum.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
When I said, "save the earth!" everyone cheered.
When I said, "why are you using styrofoam cups which don't recycle?"
everyone called me "PC" and told me to go away.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.)
Subject: FAQ?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:13:20 GMT

Okay, since I just got onto this group after reading over Zoe's shoulder
I do have a few questions...
	Is there a Frequently Asked Questions list?
	Can I get it?
	If there isn't can someone tell me what a muffin is?
		(I have a clue.  I know it's something that provokes a
		   really cool reaction.)
	Also, if there is no FAQ, should we start one?

Thanks, hugs to all. Squeezes too!

						Steve

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| "Life is far too brief , Existence is  |
| Stephen C. Litterst           |  meaningless, and the Universe has no  |
| kyraan@bach.udel.edu           \ purpose. That's the way it is, folks."|
|_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\_________ -Allan Dean Foster__________|
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: lovestruck
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:07:11 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov17.040543.6204@cbnews.cb.att.com>, eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
|> I'm in love!!  *swoon*  She has brown hair and brown
|> eyes, and a master's in classic and medieval literature....
|> And I think she likes me!  But I'm not sure..... oh dear,
|> oh dear, oh dear..... <wuffles in a pigletish manner....>
|> 
|> And I, of course, was feeling incredibly less than
|> attractive.  Last week I accidentally chopped my bangs
|> too short, so I look like a dork.  And then this weekend
|> I threw my back out carrying all my sister's junk up
|> 2 floors, so I look pathetic (not to mention weak, or 
|> why else would I have thrown out my back?).  And I had 
|> to get lost and show up 1/2 an hour late, so I look
|> incompetent!!  Augh!  Please, can I just start this
|> day over?!?
|> 
|> Not that I would trade it for a different one--I had a
|> _wonderful_ time.  And I hope, hope, hope I get to do
|> it again.
|> 
|> And she's funny, and she's sweet, and she's good with
|> her hands--she likes power tools!--and she likes old
|> stuff, and she speaks Latin!  (ok, reads Latin, no one
|> _really_ speaks Latin)  And we drive the same car!
|> 
|> We closed the restaurant down, talking, and I didn't
|> want to stop...'cept that I wanted to go home and
|> curl up with some Midol and a hot water bottle...but
|> that's another story.
|> 
|> Someone hug me, quick!  Before I pop!  Augh!!!
|> 
|> 
|> Piglet, earning her name.....
I gladly, and gleefully send public *HUGS* to you!

I LOVE to hear (scan) these kinds of things!
I'm happy that you are so lovestruck, Piglet!

*HUGS*
js
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Date: 21 Nov 1992 17:10:00 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

In article <1ek5g3INNq49@plts.uucp>, tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
|> Dealing with people who talk too much or dominate a meeting is never
|> easy.  However, we found a solution.
|> 
|> One thing that we did with Bi Net / NJ was adopt "Koosh Rules" at our
|> discussion group meeting.  You know what a koosh is, right?  One of
|> those colorful rubber-band ball things?  Well, Koosh Rules are very
|> simple.
I was hoping that this thing was more interesting, the koosh.

|> 1 -- only the person with the koosh can talk.
What a dull use for such a thing!
What ever happened to *sharing* your toys?

|> 2 -- when you are done talking, people raise their hand and you throw
|> the koosh to someone else.
I agree we should play nicely and take turns... 

|> |> 3 -- only the moderator can interupt, and only tell remind people that
|> they're talking too long.  (rarely happens)
Some people *do* tend to hog the fun stuff.  

*HUGS*
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker)
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:27:02 GMT

In article <1durjdINNt0f@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>Whip me, beat me, make me use lint!

My pleasure...
					Kay
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: No subject 
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:46:00 +0000

Bolted on to a .sig near you
Okay, time for some fluffiness from me (for once), I've "bolted on" 
an extra entry in my .SIG:

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| a Journalist and learn how to write...    
|cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
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Discuss. 
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| a Journalist and learn how to write...    |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL)
Subject: Latin (was Re: coming out to my parents)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:35:37 GMT

nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>>In article <nsn.722057945@munagin> nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>>bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL) writes:
>>>>nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>>>>(Tim: it *is* 'mei', not 'michi'. Yes, I know it doesn't parse. Mediaeval
>>>>>Latin; whaddaya expect? :)
>>I lost track of the attributions in there, somewhere....
>Well, gee, Piglet, were it Tim who said the above, why would'a address it
>to Tim? No, strike that. He *is* wierd enough for that *sweet smile*.

>*Tim, put down the crowbar!*

>>But, isn't it "mihi", not "michi", that it would be if it weren't "mei"?

>Not necessarilamente. Mediaeval Latin, Piglet, and that's what actually
>gets used in the manuscripts (and so Tim tells me, that's how you pronounce
>_mihi_ in Church Latin anyway. Freaky...)

Only in Tudor English pronunciation of Church Latin, or so *I'm* told. And
it's written "mihi" anyway...  Personly, I think we should just listen to some
recordings of the period.... :)

[...]

>>I'm so *confused*!!

>Hoc non mirabile est, quia *bisexualis* es! :)
			     ^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't this be bisexuala ?
			     (You can't escape gender in Latin... :)


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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:01:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.094230.26584@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>   No, I suspect with that thing the enlargement is an intentional
>side-effect.  I've seen it advertised elsewhere, and the ads make a
>specific point of mentioning that it's for penis enlarging.

The *only* study to show this ever was the one commissioned by the
original manufacturers.  All independent studies have shown no
quantifiable effect at all, apart from a slight local swelling at
the time of application.  (Whether the stories I've heard from med
students about these things causing varicose veins are true or not
I've *no* idea! :-) [probably a UL])

They've probably started emphasising the 'pleasureable' (?) aspect of
these things to avoid false advertising suits, though it would be a
brave man indeed to stand up in court and say he'd tried a penis
enlarger *and it didn't work*.

btw, they've been showing the operation for penoplasty on british TV
here recently, and it's *gross*.  Your dick is stuffed with fat out
your arse and goes all thick and squidgy.  Bleh.

G
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From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:52:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <iw.721938107@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
->crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

->there.  As for the heterosexuals who dislike them just as much as we do, I find
->they are often very comfortable with queers as long as we don't  flaunt
->it, i.e. hold hands in public. Personally, political hackery is not for me,

And then there's most of the heterosexuals in my circle of friends who seem
to have absolutely no problem with queer PDAs.

And no.  Not just two women ... two+ men also ...

In my experience, most hets who I knew who were queer+ were actually queer+
with all that this implies.

Of course, I do live where I live ...

-roy
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"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
"Why do you guys all have to have penises?" -anon
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."
From: jmacvean@willamette.edu (Jennifer MacVean)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yet another thing that I wrote...
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:26:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.BxzCsH.H3B
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR

I haven't posted much lately, but I really wanted to respond to this.
In article <1992Nov18.170425.19899@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk 
(S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.182959.29244@ultb.isc.rit.edu> 
kdc5072@ultb.rit.edu () writes:
>>*hugs* to all...."Let It Snow, Let it snow, let it snow..."
>>                                   MASKS
>> [ ... good stuff deleted to save bandwidth ... ]
>>	So my question is this:
>>		Are you wearing a mask that someone wants you to wear?  
>>
>Yes.
>Curiously enough, this is something I've been going over a lot in
>counselling recently.  It's all very well to recognise that it is
>a mask you present to the world -- but after all the years showing
>nothing else, can you really be sure that there's anything left
>inside?  That there is a real you -- something more than the masks
>presented for the benefit of others?  Would you dare to try and 
>remove the masks if you believed/knew this to be the case (I can't)?

Generally speaking, yes, there is something immutable, individual,
and valuable behind everyone's sets of masks.  After awhile most of 
us forget it's there and what it's like...so the idea of dropping our
masks is really scary.  However, while it's good to let it out in little
bits where you're safe so *you* know who you are, society is such that
for our own _protection_ we have to wear masks.

My point is this, don't let your mask down except when you're safe, but
do let it down sometimes, and don't feel bad about wearing masks, you can
make them more like yourself and we all need them anyway.

>\S
>SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk   | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
>sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu| so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
>                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel

Lynne  (poet)  (whyte tyger)   Internet:  jmacvean@willamette.edu

|||  You're never so wrong as when you're sure you're right.  |||
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eowyn@chopin.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis)
Subject: Re: sympathy and advice sought
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:54:15 GMT

In article <56477@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>I've been broken up with someone for about 1.5 years now. She's seeing
>someone else (yes, that hurts a lot) and so am I. I feel tired and 
>frustrated with the feelings I still have wrt not feeling over it all
>and not understanding at all.  I've tried getting busy and doing things
>and making new friends, whatever. Nothing seems to help. 

I completely understand.  Some people you just don't seem to get over.

>the icing on the cake, she tells me she's seeing someone else. 
>what am I supposed to do now?  If someone has
>any advice, I'd love to hear it... like, how long am I going to feel
>this way... should I just forget about her (the person I broke up
>with)? She says she still wants to be friends but for the most part, for
>over a year now, she hasn't done much with me or made any kind of effort
>to do anything with me.  
>
>frustrated and bummed
>jd
>
>
Well, the situation (as I'm sure you already know) pretty much sucks.
But basically, the only advice (I know this will sound really helpful)
is to try and forget.  My last boyfriend treated me like shit when he
dumped me, but the relationship we had before then was really really
wonderful.  And I'm still not over him, even though I know if we'd 
stayed together, we would have ended up hating each other.  
I honestly believe that there are some people who, no matter how rationally
incompatible, touch some nerve within us that never goes away.
Christine Lavin (a folk singer) has a great song about it called "The Kind
of Love you Never Recover From"  The title about sums it up.  Even after
you go on, you'll always remember her.  And it's painful, but at least
it shows that you're a little extra sensitive or feeling or something.
I know, small comfort.  But who ever said it was an easy gift to bear?
Good luck!
(Oh, and *HUGS*)
Zoe

Small comfort, I know, but who ever said it was a >
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:46:22 GMT

In article <1ek55lINNq0d@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.172408.7219@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Here's how I've dealt with the issue (crackpots, not car-jacking).
>We've coddled the person as much as the group could stand, but if it
>persisted, I would finally confront the person and ask them if they
>feel they are dominating the group.  If they don't get the hint, I tell
>them that they are.

Tom, this sounds like a really good idea.
>
>I must sound like a real tyrant.  Really I'm a nice guy.  Luckily this
>kind of thing actually doesn't happen all that often.  It happens more
>often in Oct/Nov/Dec because those are the "holiday stress months"
>and the weird in all of us really comes out then.
>
>Tom

Maybe THAT'S why I was wishing I were a werewolf ... Of course, with my
luck, the kind of werewolf would turn out to be a very cheerful and 
decidedly unferocious mutt-dog.

>-- 
>Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
>"Higgy higgy forward, higgy higgy higgy higgy higgy shake!  Yeeaaah!"
>
>1004211322700352222


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- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ktfizazi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kamal Tayeb Fizazi)
Subject: colleges (was cambridge colleges, choice of)
Summary: is there a guide of colleges with a rating for how queer+ they are?
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: colleges
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:18:09 GMT
Expires: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.013558.24983@samba.oit.unc.edu> Chris.Varnam@launchpad.unc.edu (Chris Varnam) writes:
>
>Greetings and salutations.
>I'm applying for gradu. studies at Cambridge in genetics (any one want to 
>give me 90 000 dollars to help?)
anybody who can do this please also contact me! :)
>I'm trying to choose the three collages for my application form and would
>like some on the ground suggestions - all the prospectus write-ups are 
>glowing or don't address some of the important points. 
>
>My criteria include:
>women-friendly
>science friendly
>GLB friendly.
>email access?
this is also what I am interested in... especially statements from people who 
are there and who should know... 
>
>Any info.  on colleges and the town in general - email or posted - would be
>massively appriecated. 
>
>cheers,
>chris
I am of course curious to see what types of schools are the most queer+ (Ivy,
state, small liberal arts, etc.) and while this may seem restricted to the US
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:16:00 +0000


S'funny you should mention that. There *are* people I have met at Bi 
groups who worry me a hell of a lot. Sometimes I worry that the Bi 
groups' high level of tolerance leaves them open to weirdos and 
strange people, but that's another issue. This often comes across as 
people who are too touchy-feely for me, people who do not respect my 
personal boundaries and who DON'T ASK before offering a hug. Or 
people who muscle in on a display of affection thinking because I 
want to get snuggly with one or two people, means I want to get 
snuggly with them all! There are currently only two UK soc.bi people 
I want to get snuggly with -- and when I want to increase that to 
three they only have to ask -- but they have to ask and be prepared 
to accept my answer -- even if it's a "no".

The description of the person of indeterminate sex reminded me of 
someone I met at a conference. He/she had no respect for personal 
boundaries and seriously fucked me up -- so much so that one of my 
partners put a mention about him/her on the noticeboard in the 
women's space stating that a man had been sexually harassed. No 
names, and I won't mention them here either but those people who do 
know him/her will hopefully agree -- He/She was a pest but an 
interesting one in some respects. He/She was obviously in great pain 
his/herself and was seen in tears and in the arms of three different 
people at the conf.

He/She was also seen groping various people (not all of whom were 
happy being touched in that way and also caused a hell of a furore at 
the end of a conference) -- which sort of put a bummer on the whole 
gig, but not much.

I knew this person before they decided to do something about their 
gender and do you know what? They were *even worse* before. They were 
virtually ostracised from a science fiction group in another part of 
the country and whilst this "new" person is an improvement on the 
"old" in terms of being less harmful than before, he/she has a lot of 
re-educating in terms of why we need personal boundaries, why when 
someone says no, they had better respect it.

Since then this person has been discussed about amongst certain key 
members of the Edinburgh Bi group. I dunno what (if any) outcome 
there will be, but at least giving my fears and misgivings a voice is 
enough for me.

That was an extreme case. There are people that frighten me because 
they actively like stuff that I'm frightened of, but the tolerance 
and diversity of the Bi group makes them just background noise and 
fairly easy to deal with as a group. IMHO.
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| a Journalist and learn how to write...    |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
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|       Bisexual knitter of quality and distinction since 1992.        |
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From: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (Michael Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:03:26 GMT
Reply-To: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cuddly Tigers

In article <By12Go.6oJ@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
> Oh, I don't know.  Watching two AmFoot teams in a clusterfuck might
> entice even me to watching television...

Hmm... Let me think. Large numbers of men dressed up in ludicrous amounts of
supports throwing themselves at each other and then stopping for a break every
time it gets started. The entire thing never actually getting anywhere; too
much advertising; over inflated egos; complete lack of action; totally
unintelligible rules and no-one on this side of the atlantic understanding it.

Nah, give me two rugby teams any day, only they'd be too pissed most of the
time to know what is going on.

*thinks* volleyball... Hmm...
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