HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eafu039@orion.oac.uci.edu (Sam Goody)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.periphs.printers,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Refilling HP Double Capacity Ink Cartridges
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:19:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

It looks like HP is trying to do everything to ensure that Deskjet or Deskwriter user's don't refill their used cartridges.  Don't get fooled by all those recyclable packaging HP used on their catridges.  If HP really wants to save the environment, they would leave a hole in their new double capacity cartridges so that it's refillable.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: brian@cirrus.com (Brian Feinberg)
Subject: Mirror sites for sumex
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:30:09 GMT


Are there any mail/list server sites that mirror sumex? I'm at a site that 
doesn't have direct internet access, and therefore need to use listservers.
I haven't had any luck receiving files from the server at Rice, and ftpmail
 doesn't seem to be working lately.

-- Brian Feinberg
-- 
______________________________________________________
Brian Feinberg <brian@cirrus.COM>
CIS:   73617,2470
AOL:   BrianF
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook vs. Outbound
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:24:15 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <3891@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:
> 
> In article <36235@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pgutierr@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Philip Gutierrez) writes:

> >	I plan on buying a powerbook 145 4/40 but have just heard
> >of outbound and am wondering if it is worth it.
> 
> Why are you planning to buy something that doesn't exist? 

According to today's MacWeek, Apple will announce the PB 145
next week at MacWorld.
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Directory Assistance I or II
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <92210.140646ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:

[assorted complaints deleted]

>I am sticking with Directory Assistance I.

I can certainly understand some of these complaints (and I would add one
about that stupid Symantec logo that gets placed in every dialog box) but
I prefer DA II to I. I also like the System 7 compatibility.

I think it is a fair upgrade.

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business
    "An ancestor of mine maintained that if you eliminate the impossible,
     whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
		-Spock, "STVI:TUC", Stardate 9523.8
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: What's the umich temp FTP address?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Jul27.151027.11239@news.iastate.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:22:44 GMT

Kevin> == Kevin M Radke <kmradke@iastate.edu> 

 Kevin> This is great because I can Zmodem right to my mac, instead of
 Kevin> having to do a get filename and the sz seperately!

Ah, but even that pales to the magic of SLIP, whence you can ftp
straight to your Mac, automatically debinhexing as needed, while still
having terminal sessions open...
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:35:17 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <9uBooB23w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:
>> I don't understand.  Why has Apple stung these people when they buy
>> a PB100?
>
>If the machine can currently be sold at a profit for #900, the inference is
>that the month before when I bought it for #1400 someone made #500 of pure
>profit, no?

So what?  They sold the machine at whatever the market would bear. Nobody
forced anyone to buy a $1400 computer.  When Apple found it could not move
the machines in volume it cut the price.  Now I will agree that if I had
bought a PB100 at the higher price and then seen it so deeply discounted a
few days later I'd be pissed off.  I think I'd mainly be mad at myself 
though.  

I got a Mac IIcx about 6 months before it was discontinued and I
guess that bugged me a bit, but I'm fatalistic about it.  I went into the
deal with my eyes open and realized that the price for an equivalent machine
would be less at some future date.  I decided that the cx would fit my
needs at the time and that I could afford it.
 
>If people wait around six months before touching Newton, it could
>kill the product.

Again, what's your point?  Are you implying that people have a "duty" to
buy new machines so Apple won't go broke?  If they price the Newton too high
then they do it at their own peril.  In that case, the consumer will benefit
again.  They will probably dump all the unwanted Newtons at Price Club for
$49.99 :-)  Just witness the phenomenon of the ADAM, IBM PCJr and TI 99/4.
How about the "Cabbage Patch Kids" dolls?  They had waiting lists to sell
them at $100, and a year later they were in discount stores for $19.99
(brought to you by COLECO, the same people that made the ADAM).  This is
just the way of business in our country; like the man said "You pays your
money, you takes your chance".

>> No one should ever buy a computer (any brand!) thinking they are gettting
>> a machine that will hold its value.

This is very good advice, but seldom heeded.  Just look at some of the
ridiculous expectations for used hardware in misc.forsale.computers....

.............................................................................
....Boyd Ostroff / Technical Director / SUNY Oswego Department of Theatre....
...............Voice: (315) 341-2987 /  Fax: (315) 341-3394..................
..............ostroff@oswego.oswego.edu / ostroff@cboard.UUCP................
From: moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu (Sean White)
Subject: Re: PowerBook 170 Availability
Reply-To: moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.184642.12034@cc.gatech.edu> gil@cc.gatech.edu (Gil  
Neiger) writes:
> Does anyone know Apple's status with the PowerBook 170?  I ordered a
> 4/40 with modem 2 1/2 months ago through our college bookstore and I'm
> still waiting.  They told me last week that Apple told them that, if
> they're lucky, they'll come in the first week or two of September.
> 
> 					- Gil Neiger
> 					gil@cc.gatech.edu

I've been told the same thing.  I think all we can do is wait.
--
Sean Michael White
moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu	"I'm bein' followed by a Moonshadow"
From: wongj@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Jeffery G. Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: AppleShare Question
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:19:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Jul28.182225.9953@news2.cis.umn.edu> Patrick Parker writes:
>I'm running a computer lab with 15 local computers logging on and assorted
>others that log on through the Ethernet from other zones.  My problem is that
>students have been apparently giving out their usernames and passwords.  So,
>lately I've been seeing two of these usernames logged on simultaneously.  I
>know that AS3 allows you to configure to require the user to change the
>password after xx many days, but that seems like making the hundreds pay for
>the indiscretions of a few.
>
>Is there something that will disallow the logging on of someone if the user is
>already connected?  This is quite frustrating.

I understand your frustration.  I was wondering the exact same thing.
However, no, there is no way to disallow the logging on of someone if
their uid is already being used...  The best thing I can recommend is
to warn them that they can possibly lose their accounts by sharing
logins.  After all, from a security point of view, it's in their best
interests if they are the only ones who use the account.

>======-----(0)-----======
>Patrick Parker
>College of Pharmacy
>University of Minnesota
>pharmacy@epx.cis.umn.edu


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From: brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Apple Menu organization
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:51:50 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

landay@Xerox.com (James Landay) writes:


>How do I change the order of the items in the Apple Menu.
>I do NOT want it in alphabetical order. I want the program 
>I use often near the top (so I wish to specify an arbitary
>ordering.)  Also, I do NOT want hierarchical menus.

>Thanks

>-- 

>James A. Landay
>landay@cs.cmu.edu


I don't think that you can change the fact that the apple menu items
appear in alphabetical order.  But if you have 1 or 2 apps which you want
at the top, rename them with a space as the first character of the name.
Space comes before the letters ascii-alphabetically and these programs
will appear at the top...  You could probably order all of your programs
using other characters or even numbers.  They might look ugly, but they'd
be in the correct order...


					--BC--


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					   --Brian Cox--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: pjs1@cec2.wustl.edu (Philip John Schielke)
Subject: Bottom Line on PB100
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:05:48 GMT

OK,

What's the bottom line on getting a PowerBook 100?  Can I *only* get them from
this Price Club place?  I called our campus computer store today, and they said
that I can no longer get one through them (I expected this.)  I live in St.
Louis, MO.  Anyone know of a Price Club in this area?
I want one of these if I can get one for $900!!!
Can anyone out there in netland from Apple get me one?  :)
I'd appreciate any help

-Phil
From: longdo@techbook.com (Don Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Spreadsheet DA
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:59:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul27.055920.9167
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135


I'm looking for some kind of spreadsheet DA that I can use for sorting
any kind of lists.  I don't know if something like this even exists. But
if anyone knows of anything like this and where i can find it, please
post here or send e'mail to: coelloc@pdaxs.techbook.com

thanks,

carol :)

-- 
longdo@techbook.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks
Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400, N81)
From: hausmann@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: looking for "virtual screen" software
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:30:36 -0500
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> "Stepping Out II"
> which does exactly what you want -- large, virtual desktops even on the
> smaller 9-inch screens.
> 
> It's commercial -- if you can't find it let me know.
> Nate
> --
> Nathan Gasser       ><>         
> gasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu     

Just how large of a virtual screen can be created?  (Say, on a IIcx under
System 7)

-Tom
From: rock@warp.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Petro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Is StuffIt Deluxe 3.0 available now?
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:47:13 GMT
Organization: SunSoft, Mountain View CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: warp

leonardr@ccs.itd.umich.edu writes:

>In article <1992Jul15.232449.6195@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>>I tried new Stuff It Lite 3.0. In the "about" box, Stuff It Deluxe is
>>recommended. Where can it get this deluxe archiver? Is it shareware or
>>commercial product?
>>
>	StuffIt Deluxe is a commercial product currently listing for $99.95,
>and available mail order for about 50-60.  The current version is 2.0.1.

>	At MacWorld Boston (Aug. 3) we will be releasing StuffIt Deluxe 3.0,
>which includes StuffIt SpaceSaver (our new transparent compressor) at which
>time we will also be rasing the price to $125.00 (mail order about 70-80).

>	If you purcahse StuffIt Deluxe 2.0 between now and then (or anytime
>since last August) you will be entitled to a free software upgrade (+ some
>shipping & handling).

How about us loyal registered customers from the old StuffIt Classic days?
I'd like to upgrade, but haven't gotten anything in the mail on how much to pay
or when we can order.

Enquiring minds...

Bill Petro 

--
     Bill Petro  {decwrl,hplabs,ucbvax}!sun!Eng!rock
"UNIX for the sake of the kingdom of heaven"  Matthew 19:12
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:42:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


A few interesting points for Mr. Bode, Mr. Moon 
and all the others who think that people who buy
Macintoshes are stupid.

For the past few years the largest Macintosh mail-order
house, MacConnection, has offered 30-60 day money-back
guarantees on most Macintosh software.  When I was shopping
for some software for my PC at work, I started looking at
ads for PC Connection, which is owned by the same company.
I assumed that PC Connection would naturally offer the same
satisfaction guarantees that MacConnection does.  Wrong!  No  
one in the PC software industry seems to offer money-back
guarantees.  What does it say about Macintosh software vs.
PC software if companies are willing to offer money-back
guarantees on the former but not the latter?

The software that I was looking for at the time was a
Windows-based paint program.  I needed to do some simple
things, but not simple enough for Microsoft's Windows Paintbrush
(which is part of Windows 3.1).  When I started looking at
Windows software, I found object-oriented draw programs, image-
enhancement and photo retouching programs, but no bitmap-oriented 
paint programs.  Fractal Painter came out shortly afterwards, but
it is still, to the best of my knowledge, the *only* bitmap paint
program that runs under Windows and not exactly cheap either. Why
does Windows have such a shortage of basic, inexpensive graphics
software?

I got an advertisement in the mail today giving me the chance to 
buy Lotus Agenda through a special private offer.  A great deal, 
apparently -- instead of the usual $399 list price, I can get it 
for $79.  The brochure certainly makes the software sound impressive
-- as impressive as the standard Hypercard stacks, at least.  Why are 
PC users willing to spend $70-399 to get software equivalent to what 
comes free with the Mac?

For $36, Apple will send you a four-color glossy developer's magazine
*and* a Developer's CD-ROM, four times a year.  The CD includes the
complete text of Inside Macintosh, all Macintosh technical notes,
human interface notes, publication guides, unreleased documentation,
dozens of utilities for testing and debugging programs, system software
for every region of the world, and a ton of source code.  Why does
Microsoft charge so much for its developer's documentation?

It's interesting that when PC chauvinists start comparing prices,
they never want to consider software.

There is only one possible conclusion:

PCs cost too much!!!
From: jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PC equivalent of Info-Mac??
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:21:42 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin

We have a few PCs hidden in dark corners in addition to our macs :-)

I am very unfamiliar with the msdos/internet world, and looking through 
comp.sys.ibm.* and comp.os.msdos.* has not given me many answers.

There must be other mac users who are also responsible for PCs! HELP!

1) Is there an FTP site for msdos/pc software equivalent to what we get from
Info-Mac for our Macs?

2) Does anyone know which msdos/pc news group is appropriate for internet-PC
communications questions (equivalent of comp.sys.mac.comm)?

3) Do the pc/msdos groups maintain an FAQ? 

Please e-mai lto me, and I will post a summary if the issue appears to be of
general interest.

John Moulder (jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu)
From: bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: CLIs that teach; GUIs that don't
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:57:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

NOTE: The following is intended as humorous. Do not raise your blood
pressure -- it's bad for your heart.

Maynard Handley:
|This is a lovely little example. On our SPARCs we all became accustomed to
|using ps -aux. Seems natural, right? Then we obtained a whole bunch of
|RS6000s we quickly learned that ps -aux fails- silently. The - (and
|everything after it) is ignored. You are supposed to type ps aux. 

The point that this proves is that good programs give good feedback.

Most UNIXen are content merely to succeed silently (which I personally
find bogus, but there are arguable reasons why it is a good idea).

This UNIX goes one step further to FAIL silently. Clearly an innovation!

People always complain about error messages, but they really are your
best friend. Mac tends to give really bland ones (I once coded an app
that had the single failure alert "Something Went Wrong"), UNIX gives
really cryptic ones, and everbody hates VMS-style error messages,
except for the fact that they tend to actually explain the problem,
and have a way to look them up for more detail.

Obviously, we should have a translation table for error messages:

MAC ID			Equivalent message
1			Seg Fault
4			Zero Divide
6			Overflow
12			Call Field Service
17			PANIC
25			Call Key Operator
40			"login:"

bill coderre
hope this brings a smile to your fingers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:40:20 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Jul27.142716.373@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:

>> ] > > high resolution mouse
>> Why should there even be an option for resolution?

>Because regular mouses have a maximum if 300dpi resolution.

I think you missed the point.  This is typical of the way PCs work.
With Mac peripherals, you just plug them in, install the driver,
and it knows how to work.  With PCs, you look in the manual, find
the resolution, then you tell the computer what it is.


>To get a decent PS/2 to compare with something like a IIcx,
>you had to put out as much or more than a mac.  

A stunning admission (althought I wouldn't have used the past
tense).

>When clones first appeared few took them seriously, but now they 
>are at least 100% cheaper than a corresponding mac and you get quality 
>to rival IBM.  

Nonsense.  The DTK clones we have are "crap."  That's not my opinion,
that's our dealer's description.  Admittedly, he didn't tell us that
until after we'd purchased them. ;-)


>It is going through similar development that the Mac OS went through, 
>and if Apple doesn't lower its prices, people will opt for Windows over 
>the Mac.  

No doubt this is why Apple is gaining, rather than losing, market share.

>I'm impressed that you had a IIcx in college.  All I could afford was a
>used Apple ][ plus, but I could do more on it than the guy next door with
>a PC (heh heh).

Pity you decided to downgrade. :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ulrich@tpki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall)
Subject: Structure of Mac hard disk?
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:53:04 GMT


Hi,


I am planning on writing a program to run on a PC that writes
data to a hard drive the same way the Mac does so that you can
read the hard disk with a Mac. 

Does anybody know of a program that does this?

If anyone has any info on how the data on a Mac hard disk is
organized, please send it to me.



Thanks a lot,

Ulrich
-- 
Ulrich Gall		ulrich@tpki.toppoint.de
2300 Klausdorf
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov (Carl F. Hostetter)
Subject: Dogcow T-Shirts - Are There Any?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: NASA/GSFC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:30:11 GMT

I'd love to get a Dogcow T-shirt. Is there such a critter?

Thanks,

Carl F. Hostetter
carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: dauter@terminator.cc.umich.edu (M. David (first initials are in style) Dautermann)
Subject: mac.archive mailing list busted, I think...also, where the updates went
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Summary: did I flood your mailbox?
Keywords: mac, archive, pd, shareware, awesome, cool
Reply-To: myke@umich.edu
Organization: They don't pay me enough to have one
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:46:46 GMT

  
I've started to post my "billion lines describing new files" updates
to comp.sys.mac.digest now... so if you're looking for them here,
subscribe to that group and watch for them.  You also get the added
bonus of Sumex "Info-Mac" articles (ha ha ha)!

The sendmail daemon here did wild things with my last posting to
my "frequent ftp'er" mailing list.  It sent the message out 
five times (an annoyance for some, but it costs money for some
other people).  I'm not going to repost to my mailing list until
I have a system administrator here sitting down with me and watching
the mail go out.  As soon as it starts to bounce/repeat, I'll
kill the mail. (i.e. I don't want to see any more botched messages).

Want to be on our frequent ftp'er mailing list (if you're not
on it already, the big benefit of it is that you find out
about the new files added to mac.archive first, before UseNet
propogates it slowly into your nntp server) yourself??  Send me mail
at "mac-recent-request@mac.archive.umich.edu" if you'd like to
be placed onto it.

Also, do you have something cool you'd like to send to a whole
bunch of Macintosh archive sites?  E-mail binhexed/compressed
copies to "macgifts@mac.archive.umich.edu".  Sumex will get it,
some sites in Texas, some in Europe and Austrailia too.  What
a fine deal.

And, if you've been on another planet... our regular FTP machine
is still down.  Use "shavenyak.css.itd.umich.edu" for your
mac.archive ftp'ing fun for now.  It doesn't have a working 
"dir" command (use "ls"), but everything else seems to work fine.

hope that's good...

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From: mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: TrueType
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:33:31 GMT
Reply-To: mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I have a friend who uses TrueType fonts for windows.  Is there a way to
convert MS-DOS format TrueType fonts for use on a Mac?