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From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Re: Harmolodics ???
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 18:03:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I remember reading that in an album called "Tales of Captain Black" by a
guitarist who I don't remember (maybe someone here does), there is a complete
description and explanation of harmolodics...hmmm was is James Blood Ulmer?

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Dizzy's Passing
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:30:43 GMT

ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:
>Speaking of Louis Armstrong and Diz, I have on video a clip of them
>trading fours.

There was a PBS show about the jazz trumpet a few years ago (narrated
by who else, Wynton Marsalis) and they showed a very short clip of DG
with LA, but it was very short and they scatted rather than blew. The
song was "umbrellas", or whatever it's called.

Is that the same vid you have?  I was under the impression that the
two of them played together very rarely.


By the way, MAX+DIZ PARIS 1989 is an awsome record.  I think it shows
a more adventurous and "free" Dizzy than we got used to hearing in
recent years.  The big band is cool but there's too many guests and
Dizzy sounds very relaxed and not stretching too much.  But in the duo
with Max I feel like I'm getting a one-on-one "history of bebop
trumpet" guided tour.

Or something like that.


--Gidi

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From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Re: Yellowjackets - Like a river
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:49:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.003938.8514@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin) writes:
>In article <nat92-23.726522169@math.chalmers.se>, nat92-23@math.chalmers.se (Jakob Schlyter) writes:
>>
>>    I bought Yellowjackets' latest album a couple of days ago, and I think
>>it's a great one...
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Jakob Schlyter                  - We want Yellowjackets live in Sweden
>
>This isn't available in the U.S. yet, is it?
>
>-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)

To answer my own question, I see on Dave Datta's list of upcoming releases 
that LIKE A RIVER is supposed to be released in the U.S. on 1/19/93.

-Lynn  (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
From: lmcohen@terapin.com (Lee Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Art Pepper (was: Hello!,NEW TO News Group)
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:36:07 PST
Organization: BBS

The Art Pepper/Sonny Clark date originally on "Straight Ahead Jazz" was
recently re-issued on CD by TIME IS Records in San Diego.  I spoke them and was
told there is enough of the Lighthouse material for a second CD but that sales
were not very good and the chances of a second volume slim.  The sound quality
is not very good, and only Clark really comes through, although, that's not
bad, Clark was great, but for Pepper fans it is somethinng of a disappointment.
 Bob Andrews recorded this stuff at the Lighthouse, amoung many others he did. 
HE was one of the pioneers of location tape recording.
Toshhiya Taenaka owns the masters of this stuff, and he also produced the
Pepper session now on Discovery, "Among Friends".  For those interested in
obtaining the Pepper/Clark date on CD here is TIME IS address:
                                              3841 4th Avenue #217
                                              San Diego, CA 92103
They also have a Shorty Rogers date from 1953, "Back To Balboa" which is quite
good.  There rarest Pepper stuff now is the Atlas material from Japan.  Atlas
went under and their stuff is scarce.  I'm still looking for one called, Sonny
Stitt and his West Coast Friends that features Russ Freeman, John Heard, and
Carl Burnett.  And another, Groovin High, with Lou Levy and Sonny Stitt.  There
are a few others too.
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Harmolodics ???
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:42:32 GMT
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I think it is fascinating that Gunther Schuller, Marcel and I hear essentially
the same thing in harmolodics - a structuring principle not necessarily tied to
any scale theory - while Ornette himself describes it so differently.  It makes
me wonder if perhaps the scale theory described is so natural that we simply
don't notice it being used - as opposed to the way the early bebop musicians
used the flatted fifth so noticeably, or George Russell's disciples were so
easily identified as such.

Now I *really* want to find out more about the technical underpinnings of this
stuff.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
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 orientation ... shall ... be the basis of ... any ... claim of discrimination"
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All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
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From: gallo@almira.asel.udel.edu (Andy Gallo)
Subject: Don Pullen on NPR - request
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:04:43 GMT



	Posted for a friend without net access...

***
	a: any chance of you posting a request to the jazz bbs for anyone
who might have recorded the Don Pullen solo piano concert recently broadcast
on National Public Radio hosted by Branford.  I taped it myself, but wasn't
around to monitor it as the static overtook the broadcast and ruined an
otherwise amazing show.  Pullen is a real character incorporating some of
the same stuff that Cecil uses.  Thanx, Swill
***

	If you can help out my friend, please send him email directly.

			Bill Andrejko
			andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com

	Thanks.

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From: moorera@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Ryan A Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Yellowjackets
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:41:48 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: moorera@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

In article <nat92-23.726006426@math.chalmers.se>, nat92-23@math.chalmers.se (Jakob Schlyter) writes:
>
>	Is there somebody out there who could help me in my search of all of
>Yellowjackets' albums? I have the following:
>
>	Yellowjackets
>	Mirage a Trois
>	Samurai Samba
>	Shades
>	Four Corners
>	Politics
>	The Spin
>	Green House
>	Live Wires
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jakob Schlyter
>
>Tradeshill 2885                      E-mail: nat92-23@math.chalmers.se
>S-448 91 Floda                       Phone : +46-302-363 62
>Sweden


I'm a big YJ fan... and congratulations!  You have all of the albums put out by
the YJ's as far as I know.  However, some of the members of the band have
appeared on various other albums under different names.  For example, the group
with Marc Russo appeared on an album by Michael Davis (a trombone player) for
one song.  If you like Bob Mintzer, he has a lot of albums out under his own
name... and his last one (One Music) featured the other members of the band for
just about the whole album.  Russell Ferrante (the heart of the group as far as
I'm concerned) has appeared on various GRP label albums with artists like Eric
Marienthal.

Even though the whole group hasn't put out an album in a while... they've been
busy doing other projects... and they've been on a concert tour.  I saw them in
Chicago a couple of months ago.

-Ryan
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From: mark@bilpin.co.uk (Mark Allerton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Yellowjackets
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: mark@bilpin.co.uk (Mark Allerton)
Organization: SRL Data

Ryan A Moore writes:
-------
I'm a big YJ fan... and congratulations!  You have all of the
albums put out by the YJ's as far as I know.  However, some of
the members  of the band have appeared on various other albums
under different names.  For example, the group with Marc Russo
appeared on an album by Michael Davis (a trombone player) for
one song.
--------

The same lineup (I think) also appeared on singer Lalah 
(daughter of Donny) Hathaway's  debut LP, on the tune
"Smile" (which is rather fabulous and by far the best
thing on the album.) However, if you don't normally buy
moderm soul albums, you may not like it much.

They also appeared on one track on Take Six's Christmas
album that came out in 1991. I haven't heard this, so
I've no idea what it's like...




Mark Allerton - mark@bilpin.co.uk
SRL Data, but I speak for myself.
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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: Need Reference to an Ellington Discography
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:45:40 GMT

In <1993Jan5.173605.23627@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:

>As part of a project, I am looking for the complete discography of
>Ellington recordings from the early years to the time of his death.
>Has such a work been put together?

 Author:         Timner, W. E., 1930-
 Title:          Ellingtonia : the recorded music of Duke Ellington and his
                   sidemen
 Edition:        3rd ed.
 Published:      Metuchen, N.J. : Institute of Jazz Studies : Scarecrow Press,
                   1988.

Most libraries should have this.

Will
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From: prich@monk (Paul Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: The Tonight Show
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:16:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.211937.8836@pony.Ingres.COM> corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony  
Corman) writes:
> Given the number of households the Tpnight Show reaches, a well-
> produced 3-minute tribute could have pulled a lot of coats...

Look guys, I am sure that if Branford and the crew had had their
druthers they would have been more than happy to play a tribute.

The Tonite Show is a vehicle for the industry (film/entertainment)
and just happens to have a really hot Jazz Band playing the theme
and during the breaks

I have now been to three different tapings of the show and believe
me if they were allowed to stretch out on the air they would.

I stand by Gidi's original comments

Besides, we had a chance at an interesting music show, remember
Sunday Night, the ratings were just not there.
--

/pgr

She's got Jungle Fevah... - Stevie
email: Paul_Richardson@next.com
From: milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Dixie Dregs on Tonight Show
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:55:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Since I don't have a TV, I had to go to a friend's house to check out
the Dregs on Leno last night.  The did their recent live album version of
"Take it Off the Top", which disappointed me, as I would have preferred a
whole Dregs tune instead of a medley.

And, as Jay Leno pointed out, the Dregs album "Bring Em Back Alive" has been
nominated for a Grammy in the "Best Rock Instrumental" category.  Way to go!

-Martin
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Subject: Re: Art Pepper (was: Hello!,NEW TO News Group)
From: <JPWJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 22:20:41 EST
 .172831.22367@cbnewsk.cb.att.com><1993Jan5.193851.26406@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Ever hear of this one? "Art Pepper with the Sonny Clark Trio" on Straight-Ahead
 Jazz Records. It was recorded on May 31, 1953 at Lighthouse in Hermosa Beach,
California. It had Art, Sonny Clark on piano, Harry Babasin on bass and Bobby W
hite on drums. I got it in a bargain bin in L.A. maybe ten years ago.
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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Date of Johnny Winter "Live"?
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:40:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.154623.1565@seachg.uucp> db@seachg.UUCP (David Bell) writes:
>In article <gX8mwB1w165w@wndrsvr.la.ca.us> raa@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Ramon Lopez) writes:
>>jsulliva@amstel.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan) writes:

>>> Anyway, I could not find ANYWHERE on my copy of Johnny Winter's
>>> "Live" what year it was released in. This was the only one out of
>>> 150+ CDs that I could find NO copyright date.

>>Well damn! I was all ready to tell you the date ... I ran to My room to get
>>My copy of it on Vinyl! But, to My surprise, the date isnt on THAT either!
>>I think I read somewhere it was 1973 ... But I dont know for sure ...

>I checked my vinyl copy, and sure enough, no date. I checked on the album
>that came after (Still Alive and Well), and that had a date of 1973, so I
>would guess that "AND Live" was probably released around '72 or so.


Hm - I'm going to guess about 1971 - based on something I said before
and some other research.

I was producing a group called Noah's Ark in the late '60s.  We had the
contracts to be the first Polydor release in the US.   Bobby Caldwell
was the drummer - I met him when he was about 15 a couple of years
before.   Then Rodney Justo left the Candymen, and joined Noah's Ark,
and persuaded the others not to sign the Polydor contract, and they
went with Libery through Bill Lowrey in Atlanta.   A group that used to
sound like Cream came out sounding like Bread. !!! 

So they broke up after a year.   Bass player built a studio, guitar
player helped form White Witch, and Bobby joined Johnny Winter.   The
first thing he been recorded with Johnny was the Johnny Winter And Live
from Pirates World.   

Then Winter broke up and Bobby formed Captain Beyond with Rod Evans.
That LP was issued in 1972.   I have Winter LPs on GRT and Imperial
that were 1969 - so that puts Winter on the Columbia labels in 1970 and
1971. I then suspect that the "live" album from Pirates World was 1971,
or very early 1972.    Bobby also was the drummer on Rick Derringer's
All American Boy album, and later Bobby and Keith Relf formed Armageddon.
One of the best damned drummers I have ever had the pleasure to see,
hear, and work with.

We had some other pretty good musicians here too.  After Bobby joined Winter,
Steve Paul signed another Orlando group called Tin House - and in
restrospect it was only to get the guitar player Floyd Radford signed
to him so he could but him with Edgar Winter.


The music business is full of twisty little passages, all alike!


-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill@bilver.uucp
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: orchestral cecil
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:33:02
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: mad@cs.wm.edu's message of Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:35:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.183540.22085@cs.wm.edu> mad@cs.wm.edu (Michael A. Dritschel) writes:
   There's been a lot of discussion of recordings of Cecil Taylor in
   various venues, but one area that's it seems to me to have been
   neglected are his large ensemble pieces, which I find to be some of
   the finest music of this sort.  Unfortunately I am only aware of two
   such recordings.  The first is a Gil Evans recording on Bluebird(?)
   called _Into the Hot_ that is half Cecil Taylor compositions.


INTO THE HOT doesn't feature any large ensemble pieces by Cecil. It
was released under Gil Evans' name, for some reason, but the CT
portion is performed by Cecil's regular 5tet of the period, augmented
by two players on one of the three tracks. It's on Impulse!

The big-band tracks on INTO THE HOT were written and conducted by John
Carisi -- no Cecil involvement on these.

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From: mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo)
Subject: Re: Dizzy's Passing
Organization: The Poto Mitan in the Houmfor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:40:31 GMT

> jwinsch@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (john winsch):
>    'Caught Diz many years back with Mike Brecker, Chick Corea,
>   Eddie Gomez, and Steve Gadd, while in the front row of Carnegie 
>   Hall. "Blow 'em up, Diz !" someone yelled from the balcony, as
>   he walked on stage. After a great smile he did so, and I was
>   in heaven shortly afterwards. The sounds of that night will be
>   with me forever...Thanks, Diz.

I remember that concert. That was shortly after the recording of Corea's
THREE QUARTETS (just reissued.) They played that album for the first
set, then Dizzy joined them for the second set. A bunch of people were
yelling for this or that Dizzy tune and he stepped up to the mike and
yelled "Silence!!" (in French), and added "Damn man, whose band d'ya
think this is?", then led the band through a magisteraial reading of his
ballad "Brother King" for Martin. The audience was real quiet after
that and then he and Brecker went into "Manteca" and Dizzy was conducting
and blowing oh-so-hot, and the world (well, we anyway) was his, and
he was going to last forever. And now he's gone. Damns!

Someone (Albert Murray?) observed that Dizzy was the first bebopper
who seemed to have fun on stage, and who got people in the audience to
have fun too, all without ever sacrificing any musical quality.
There's something to that. Like Armstrong, he seemed always to be smiling
and laughing. And like Armstrong, the clowing and joking disappeared
utterly when he put horn to lips. He was the best, and we are fortunate
to have lived in the same time as him. As Phil Schaap said, we're living
in biblical times. And all the prophets are passing on.
-- 
Marcel-Franck Simon             	mingus@usl.com, usl!mingus

	" Papa Loko, ou se' van, ou-a pouse'-n ale'
	  Nou se' papiyon, n'a pote' nouvel bay Agwe' "
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Dizzy at Massey Hall?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:54:10 GMT

In <wfHOR6O00iV0E1uEkK@andrew.cmu.edu> ld0h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lester Paul Diamond) writes:

>The other night I heard  cut from a concert at Massey Hall in Toronto
>(?).  Supposedly it is one of the best recordings of Dizzy ever.  Max
>Roach, Charlie Mingus, and Charlie Parker (I think) were all there.  Can
>anyone tell me if this concert is on CD and what it is called.  The
>version of Salt Peanuts sounded great.

The Quintet, Jazz at Massey Hall, Original Jazz Classics (Debut)
OJCCD-044 (DEB-124).  It is also included in the Complete Debut Mingus
box with both the 'after-fact' versions with the enhanced bass solos
that Mingus added in a studio later and the original 'as it was
performed' version.  (Its the former that you get on the OJC cd).
From: cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Another master is gone....
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:34:03 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1993Jan6.202109.14188@hubcap.clemson.edu>, dwillar@hubcap.clemson.edu writes:
> Another master is gone, a wonderful voice silenced...
> 
> Farewell Diz!

-sigh-

Saw him at Monterey this year (not playing, just there), and he
was in pretty bad shape.  I guess he never quite recovered from his
surgery earlier in the year.

Well, I've got a jam session tonight; we'll definitely be busting
up some Diz tunes to bid him a farewell.

	-Doug

Doug Cook  	(cook@sgi.com)		| 
Software Engineer, ISD Digital Media    |    "Exuberance is Beauty."
Silicon Graphics, Inc.			|		-Wm. Blake
From: mctkew@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: RE:Attention, Earthlings!
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:01:20 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

you're not Sun Ra by any chance are you

Are you 48,500 (or whatever) years old ??

Ken Whelan
MCTKEW@UK.AC.DCT
"and his wife's gonna bring up some chicken soup !" (probably a misquote from
FZ)
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Subject: Re: Solo Cecil (was Re: akisakila, by c.t.)
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:16:13 PST
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu
Distribution: world

Dale Smoak:
> 
> It looks like you're suggesting, aside from your different take on *The
> Eighth*, that a newcomer to Cecil find a more conservative album.  I've
> long wondered whether people actually work up from, hmmm, what would we
> call it? Easier to harder music?

[many good points deleted]

Generally, before I make recommendations, I ask for a list of "favorite
records". In this case, I suggested the smaller ensembles because the
poster originally asked for solo and smallgroup Cecil (I think).

The first Cecil record that really turned me on was 3 Phasis. And it
was another year before I began to appreciate Monk...

Bill
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From: marvo@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ronald.f.roberts)
Subject: Re: Penguin Guide -- source
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:28:56 GMT

In article <1irskqINN3ld@specialist.genrad.com> gwl@specialist.genrad.com (Glenn W. Lea) writes:
>
>I found a source for the Penguin Guide -- 
>
>Music Book Store
>(416) 588-9415
>
>$33.00 CAN total (includes S&H).
>
>They're also sending a list of jazz books, which I'll "review" when I
>get it.  The jazz guy was very helpful on the phone.
>

Thanks for sharing the info Glenn 

Since Bill Hery reported to rmb several weeks ago that he had seen this
book in London, I was not able to even confirm its domestic existence according
to Tower (Bway & 4th, NYC) and several other book stores.
-- 

Ron Roberts
AT&T Bell Laboratories, P.O. Box 900, Princeton, New Jersey 08542-0900
rfr@pruxp.att.com, phone: 609-639-2242, fax: 609-639-3121