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From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:16:19
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
	<1992Nov11.205928.7990@cs.hut.fi>
NNTP-Posting-Host: tik.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: linnan@psykoman.cs.hut.fi's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:59:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.205928.7990@cs.hut.fi> linnan@psykoman.cs.hut.fi (Matti Linnanvuori) writes:
>    There hardly is a Russian speaking minority, any more than an
>  English or German speaking one, but about 10 000 immigrants having
>  arrived in the 20th century. There is a Russian school at least in
>  Helsinki.

Yes, but the Russian school was not started for the benefit of the
Russian-speaking minority (very minute as it is), but rather in the
heydays of Finnish-Soviet "friendship". At least so I would imagine.
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Nov9.124327.8161@hellgate.utah.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:26:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.124327.8161@hellgate.utah.edu> lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.
edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette) writes:

 >Well, now, who benefitted the most from Palme's assassination?  Expressen and
 >Aftonbladet used it to maximum sensationalist effect.

  This is as good a theory as any. Even now the evening papers occasionally
try to squeeze some further mileage out of the killing, with fat headlines
suggesting that somebody recently charged with speeding "is being
questioned in connection with the Palme murder", or that the Iranians, or
the Americans, or the Iraqi, or the Israeli, or the Danes - well, maybe
not the Danes - have much to answer for.

  On the other hand, I used to think that the Stockholm evening papers
were pretty revolting until I happened to read a London evening paper
and realized that they were not really in the running.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Evil norwegian imperialist revisionist exposed! (was: Assimilationspolitik)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:56:32 GMT

jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:

>I can add that Sweden has occupied Jamtland and Harjedalen

Whaaaat? How *dare* you?!!!?!? This is certainly an anti-Swedish accusation of
truly ryyti-esque proportions, and it can *not* be left unanswered!

Fact is that it was *you norskies* who annexed independent Jamtland in the first
place, back in 960! Only difference to us is that we have been better at
keeping our loot. So there!

-- 
Anders Engwall				Email: Anders.Engwall@eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB			Voice: +46 8 727 3893
lvsj, Sweden				Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
	"Frnsett att det inte fungerar, hur tycker ni att det verkar?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: Lennart's technical document imaging presentation at UNIX EXPO
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:18:52

>>>>> ""Michael" == "Michael Willett" (WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM)

Michael> God morgon,

Michael> Here is a very brief overview of the Wang document imaging
Michael> presentation to be made by Lennart Moback of Wang Svenska AB
Michael> [...]

Didn't Wang go bust recently? Maybe their problem wasn't really
proprietary technology, but rather showing their marketing hype in the
wrong places?

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: President Clinton!
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:23:01 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <hberg.192@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:
>President Clinton
>President Clinton
>President Clinton
>
>It has such a *nice* ring to it!!

  Begone ye socialist republican(1)! We like our king and does not want to
return him for a refund!:)

  (1) Republican as in what we mean with 'republican' in Europe, naturally.

-bertil-
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From: isac@rieska.oulu.fi (Juha Iisakka)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: Oulun yliopisto
	<TORKEL.92Nov3211817@bast.sics.se> <1d7tqsINNruu@cs.tut.fi>
	<1992Nov4.082306.9475@ugle.unit.no> <1992Nov4.190950.6255@nntp.hut.fi>
	<1992Nov5.094311.29852@ugle.unit.no> <1992Nov5.200441.4605@kth.se>
	<1992Nov6.091043.18678@nntp.hut.fi>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:46:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.091043.18678@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.200441.4605@kth.se>, d89-jsp@nada (Jan Sparrendahl) writes:
> >	* 	THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST SPEAKING FINNISH IN SWEDEN	*
> 
> There were some newspaper reports some years ago about kids being
> forbidden to speak me{n kieli in Tornedahlen i daghemmet.  I have no
> detailed info and it might've been false reporting.

No. The employee of a kinderkarten was forbidden to
speak Finnish to kids.

Somebody asked why Finnish are so eager to talk
Finnish situation in Sweden. The answer is simply
every time when there is question about compulsory
Swedish in Finnish schools, "Swedish" persons demand
minority rights and humanisms etc

Why it's different when we are talking Finnish language
in Sweden and Swedish language in Finnland?

--
Juha Iisakka					isac@rieska.oulu.fi
My opinions are mine - not my employer's
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From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa)
Date: 14 Nov 92 02:54:14 GMT
	<WALVER.92Nov13084010@kielo.uta.fi>
	<1992Nov13.110723.3218@ugle.unit.no>
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland
In-reply-to: jafitv@termo.unit.no's message of 13 Nov 92 11:07:23 GMT

jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes in soc.culture.nordic:

> I think it's all rigth, too. But if you post in a language that is
> understood of only a minority, then you have to expect that only this
> minority understands your posting. And since very few people outside
> Finland understand finnish, then maybe there is no point (at least only
> a weak point) in posting it outside Finland ?

        Well, at least if the intention is to start a conversation the
        choice of the language could be something else.

> On the other hand - if Jarmo posted in finnish, he would insult less
> people .... :-)

        I don't remember his original posting so well anymore... but I
        didn't find it insulting. I don't think he said anything bad
        about Sweden/Swedes, but it was just about teaching Swedish and
        other languages in Finland - the subject we've discussed a few
        days :)

        -- Willy
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: linnan@psykoman.cs.hut.fi (Matti Linnanvuori)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:59:28 GMT

In <1992Nov10.192517.2230@cs.hut.fi> ovr@lk-hp-6.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.125604.532@ludd.luth.se> bjorn@hactar.ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller) writes:
>>unless my memory serves me wrong there are russian speaking minorities in
>>Finland. In what ways are they treated better than Finnish speaking minorities
>>in Sweden? (I know they might be, I'm just asking.)

>Russian (or romani (zigenarspr}k can't be PC), to my knowledge) isn't even
>Taught as a "hemspr}k".

  There hardly is a Russian speaking minority, any more than an
English or German speaking one, but about 10 000 immigrants having
arrived in the 20th century. There is a Russian school at least in
Helsinki. Unfortunately, there is no Finnish school in Stockholm.
  Romani is taught Gypsy children since a couple of years.


--
From: ks54079@cs.tut.fi (Saarinen Kimmo Samuli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Ethnicals ... (was Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige)
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:22:22 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi

In article <WILF.92Nov4223207@blob.hut.fi> 
wilf@niksula.hut.fi (Johan W. Wikman) writes:
>Interesting, ethnical *Finns* in *Sweden* and swedish speaking *Finns*
>in *Finland*. Is there a difference or is there not?

The purpose was to make comparison between the minorities in both 
countries, i.e. the similarity in the official position.

Read: ethnical Finn in Sweden == finnish (or alike) speaking Swede

	k@	(kcat)
-- 
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kissa@cortex.sai.vtt.fi      jos h{nt{ kest{{.        - san. lasku Jaalasta
From: d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:04:41 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Nov5.094311.29852@ugle.unit.no>, jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov4.190950.6255@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

|> or dialect. But I can't see that people being forbidden to talk finnish
|> in Sweden is a special concern for Finland if the finnish talking
|> people don't call themselves finns. It should be very much the same

	*	                                                  	*
	* 	THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST SPEAKING FINNISH IN SWEDEN	*
	*	                                                  	*

/Arthur
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Deaths among orienteers
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:09:15 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Nov12.091331.23715@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:
>From this description it seems that all elite sports people should be
>affected. Does anybody have an idea why it has been limited to orien-
>teering?

  It is possible that it was spread during a training camp. As for the followon
question of: "Why not all orienteerers then?" it is likewise possible that 
the not everybody who become infected gets it severely enough to suffer from
it.

  There have been other cases before where athletes have become severely ill
or even died as a result of relatively benign almost undetectable infections
that have attacked the heart and have become more severe because of their hard
training.

>Real Life: Michael Christian Heide Qvortrup      A Dane         ETH, Zuerich

-bertil-
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From: sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen)
Subject: Sigvart Dagsland recordings
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:02:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Hei!     

Does anyone know where I may obtain Sigvart Dagsland recordings?
An old roomate had several recordings of this gentleman and I
would like to know where I may attain a few.  I am also looking for
a source for DeLilios (sp?) recordings.  Any help is appreciated!

Please email any response.  Tusen Takk.

Hilsen Sue           email: sastoen@lamar.colostate.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman)
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:54:06 GMT

Kurt Swanson (kurt@dna.lth.se) wrote:
: There was a news-magazine show on TV2 last night.  I saw only a
: little.  They tried to show some links to the CIA, but to me they
: didn't seem very strong...  They also seemed to implicate the Swedish
: police as well...
: 
: Note that "the CIA as culprit" is not really a new idea in Sweden...
I prefer the theory that says Olof Palme arranged his own murder and that it
was his son who did it, because of a scholarship from Harvard the swedish
"IRS" made a fuzz about.
:)
--
Sven Wallman, S:t Larsg. 5, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
"I think, therefore I'm right."-Hugo Rune
From: asgeir@viking.asd.sgi.com (Asgeir Eiriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Stats on Iceland
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:07:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: viking.asd.sgi.com
Keywords: AIDS, Immigration, Emmigration

In <3978@randvax.rand.org> daniels@randvax.rand.org (Greg Daniels) writes:


>  Does anyone out there have any statistics on AIDS, Immigration, and
>Emmigration in Iceland?

Morgunbladid 15 okt. 1992 (main daily paper)

 Seven new HIV positive cases have been diagnosed in 1992,
but no new cases of AIDS. This brings the total number of people
diagnosed HIV positive to 76.

 In Iceland there have to date been 22 cases of people with AIDS, of
which 12 have died. Adjusted for population, this is an occurrence rate
of 8.5 cases pr. 100.000. 
 The ratio of HIV infected men to women is 6 to 1.


----


Hope this helps,

'Asgeir


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Finns and Swedes and soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:28:01 GMT

In article <tervio.5@katk.Helsinki.FI> tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI 
(TERVI| MARKO J) writes:

>I guess this tidal wave of bullshit and bashing in this newsgroup started 
>when someone posted a letter complaining about the treatment of ethnic Finns 
>in the autonomous province of Aland.

  Not at all. It started, as usual, with "Why do Swedes call me
'Finl(ndare'?"
From: envjfs@epb9.lbl.gov (Jan-Fredrik Stadaas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Re:WHALE burger
Date: 6 Nov 1992 23:55:27 GMT
Organization: lbl
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.98


It tastes great!

Paddy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: due@iitb.fhg.de (Bernhard Duerr)
Subject: Translation german/swedish
Organization: Institut fuer Informations- und Datenverarbeitung
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:50:15 GMT

Is anybody in this group, who is willing to translate a letter from german to
swedish for me ?

Many thanks in advance.  

Bernhard Duerr
due@iitb.fhg.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:34:54 GMT

The term home-language, hemspr}k is very disdusting term, cannot you under-
stand it. I can accept it if also swedish-speakers language in Sweden and
Finland is called by the administration adn school-bureucracy a home-language.
Otherwise using ther term  home-language of Finnish is nothing but a
derogatory purpose.
: 
: Suomeksi: "kotikieli" on siis vain byrokraattinen termi joka
: k{yteta{{n sille oppiaineelle jossa ne oppilaat joiden [IDINKIELI ei
: ole ruotsi saavat t{m{n [IDINKIELENS[ opetusta.
: --
Niin kauan kun ruotsin kielest{ ei kouluhallinnossa k{ytet{ nimityst{
kotikieli Ruotsissa ja Suomessa katson, ett{ suomen kielest{ k{ytetty
termi on loukkaava. Se, ett{ ainoastaan ruotsin kielt{ kutsutaan {idin kieleksi
Ruotsissa on minusta selv{sti "rotuhygieninen" ratkaisu, koska kaikki
muut kielet on alennettu ei-{idinkielen asemaan.
Ruotsinsuomalaiset ovat t{st{ valittaneet vuosikausia, asia ei ole minun
keksim{ni. Asiasta voi melkein jokaisessa Ruotsinsuomalaisen numerossa
lukea. Kukaan ei hurraa sille k{yt{nn|lle. Suomalaiset eiv{t ole niin
tyhmi{, ett{ eiv{t tajuaisi t{m{n byrokraattisen m{{r{yksen taustoja
Ruotsissa.

Terveisin,
Jarmo Ryyti
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: The Finns, an opressed minority in Swe
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:02:40 GMT

Tomas Eriksson writes:

> if we were to get a corresponding 
>Swede calling all danes Nazis

Well, aren't they, I mean, *really*, the half-German mother-buggerers?

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From: frisk@complex.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:27:24 GMT
Organization: Frisk Software International, Iceland

walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta) writes:

>        I'm just throughly fed up with this subject.

Right. So am I.

>        sense_. As I stated in my previous posting, I think it would be
>        a very good idea to have mandatory languages in Finnish
>        elementary/High Schools (otherwise the Finns would be totally
>        isolated from the rest of the world :-), but they should be
>        absolutely selectable.

Iceland is a bit similar to Finland in that our languages are not (easily)
understandable to Danish/Swedish/Norwegian speakers.  My problem is that I
fail to understand why there should be any opposition to learing Swedish
in Finland.  Here in Iceland we have mandatory Danish instead - after all,
we were subject to Danish rule for a long time.  It is possible to take
Swedish or Norwegian instead, but very few children do that - in general only
if they have relatives in/from Norway or Sweden.

Now, occasionally some people here might grumble about having to learn
Danish, but people here are cenerally in favour of Nordic cooperation, and
clos ties with the other Nordic nations - something which would be more
difficult if we did not speak/read/write any of the nordic languages.
Danmark may not be the most important trading partner of Iceland any more,
but we want to maintain those ties and consider us one of the nordic nations.

Is that not the case in Finland ? Widespread opposition to learning another
nordic language (of which Swedish is the natural choice in Finland's case)
would seem to indicate that it is not.

Of course, here in Iceland we have other mandatory languages as well - our
third language is English.  In college there are either one or two additional
mandatory languages - all offer French and German, but the one I wenat to
(back in '80) offered Spanish and Russian as well.

-frisk
From: hs1c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hector Salgado-Galicia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Decepcionado con soc.culture.spain
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:47:12 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> 
>En algunos articulos escritos anteriormente (meses atras) he descrito
el nivel  
>intelectual de los usuariuos de esta red como alto. Sin embargo, un hecho  
>reciente me esta haciendo reconsiderar.
> 
>Hace un par de dias mande un articulo preguntando acerca del grupo de musica  
>"No me pises que llevo chanclas" y para mi sorpresa nadie parece estar
al tanto
>  
>de ellos. Por lo cual concluyo que:
> 
>a) El nivel intelectual no es tan alto despues de todo
>b) El nivel intelectual es tan alto que es elitista (i.e., snobs)
>c) Los integrantes de este grupo estan demasiado viejos para estar
oyendo esa  
>musica
> 
>o
> 
>d) todavia no han contestado mis preguntas pero lo van ha hacer pronto
> 
>--
>Angel Puerta
>puerta@camis.stanford.edu

O alternativamente:

e) El nivel intelectual del que escribio la nota anterior es tan
adecuado que hasta se da el lujo de escribir "usuariuos" en lugar de
usuarios. 

Suena tan bien que tal vez para evitar mas decepciones se podria
generalizar su uso a otros idiomas. Propongo, por ejemplo que en ingles
se escriba "behaviour" en lugar de behavior, etc. Otras sugerencias?



Saludos

Hector Salgado
From: pjm@SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: CASTELLANO or ESPA~NOL, MEXICO or MEJICO?  Help me
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:38:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bx923p.GHx.2
Reply-To: pjm@stevens.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Nov5.090051.8412@u.washington.edu>  
birnbaum@math.washington.edu (Z.W. Birnbaum) writes:
# 
# 
# Podri'a alguien con conocimiento hacer comentario sobre
# cual es la diferencia entre CASTELLANO y ESPAN~OL? 

Hay un libro muy interesante que trata del problema de nombre del
idioma, se llama "Castellano, Espa#ol, Idioma Nacional", de Amado
Alonso, te recomiendo que lo busques y lo leas, arroja muchas luces
sobre el particular.

Saludos

--
Pedro J. Moreno			(NeXTMail yes!!)
Graduate Student
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Speech Group
pjm@stevens.speech.cs.cmu.edu 
Carnegie Mellon University
From: CCSMEL@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Melissa Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: Bable
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:05:27 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Melissa Miller <CCSMEL@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:03:31 GMT (Juan Castillo) said:
 >Tampoco el euskera unificado (o batua) es una lenguas real, pero
 >funciona. No hay que destruir la veariedad de las lenguas, pero

Tengo una pregunta, ?porque dices que el euskera no es una lengua real?
Yo pensaba que era una lengua completamente diferente que el castellano.
Que es una de las lenguas mas antiguas del mundo y que no saben de donde
ha venido.  Por favor, explicamelo.
           Gracias,
           Melissa
From: manrique@ME.UDEL.EDU (Fernando Manrique)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Una de rallies.
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:48:13 -0600
Organization: ESPANA-L - soc.culture.spain Gateway
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Fernando Manrique <manrique@ME.UDEL.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Me acaba de llegar esta informacion para quien le interese:

"Carlos Sainz acaba de ganar el Costa Brava. No se por cuanto pero seguro
que fue muy ajustado senhor McEnroe. En la 1st etapa(asfalto) Sainz
arraso: 1.47 al 2nd y Kankhunnen a 2.14. En la 2nd, Auriol, a 1.49, se va
a tomar por culo en el 1st tramo y Kankhunnen recorta hasta 1.01. En la
ultima (tierra) Sainz aguanto. La borrica del avance de Telediario no dio
mas datos."

El mundial me parece que todavia sigue muy dificil de conseguir este anho,
con Auriol destacado; pero Sainz sigue demostrando que es el mejor a pesar
de que el Celica no tira tanto como los Lancia.

De la liga de baloncesto solo se que el Madrid y el Joventut tienen una
derrota y el Estudiantes y el Barcelona dos. De los demas no se ni me importa.

Cambiando de tema, me gustaria que algun usuario de la red que viva en
Espanha me/nos informara de como esta el panorama musical por la piel de
toro. No estaria mal saber que discos se estan vendiendo (lista Rockopop?)
y que se esta escuchando ahora mismo. Sigue todo tan estancado como
siempre? o ya se empiezan a notar las pestilencias navidenhas con los
discos recopilacion y las aberraciones musicales creadas por ese enjendro
de mirada vacia y flequillo al viento llamado Luis Cobos? Solo de
recordarle me apetece meterle la batuta por donde yo me se.

Lo dicho, salud y buenos alimentos.


P.D.      Una pista para el chiste, Jose.
El camello va jodido y el de atras necesita un punto de anclaje para no
caerse.
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