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From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: question about nov. pdk
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:31:11 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

DWK110@psuvm.psu.edu (darren karns) writes:

>the beta version of os2 2.x which is in the november release of the pdk, is tha
>t the beta version of os2 2.1 which is due out in feb. or march ?
> any thoughts would be appreciated. please respond by post or email

I believe the order is something like 1stbeta < PDK < "2.1"
so it is newer than the original beta, but not up to the current
level.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: anto@dutetvf.tudelft.nl (Anto Daryanto)
Subject: Installing SVGA
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:41:54 GMT

Hi, I've just bought a new Tseng T-4000 SVGA card. I want to install the
high resolution driver (I think I'll stick with 800x600). My
configuration (OS/2 2.0 GA + SP) is:
 	
	386/40 /w 8 Mb RAM, with vanilla VGA, Conner 120Mb with 2
	partitions: 30Mb FAT and 90Mb HPFS.

Because I only have vanilla VGA since I installed OS/2 2.0 I have no
idea how to install a nieuw SVGA. 

Can anybody give kind of a brief of manual how to do it? And
especially what not to do!

You can e-mail me (anto@dutetvd.et.tudelft.nl) or send to this
newsgroep.

Thanks in advance,
Anto Daryanto
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2
Subject: Radius SVGA MULTIVIEW
From: Phat M Tran <TRAN@MTUS5.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 19 Dec 1992 07:48:43 EST
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.

Has anyone have experience with the Radius SVGA MultiView video board??
I am interest in something that will allow full page view for desk-top-
publishing (PageMaker for Window under OS/2 2.0 with SP).  What
about its speed compare with other video boards??

Thanks,
Phat

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jburns@pdxgp1 (John Justin Burns Jr.)
Subject: Boot Manager: Does any one have a compatibility list?
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:24:16 GMT

I have been using the Boot Manager with a variety of OSs.  I know that it
works with DOS v4.01, DOS v5.0, MS OS/2 SE v1.3, and surprise-surprise IBM
OS/2 v2.0.  What I would like to know is what else it works with, and more
important, what it does not work with?  Were there any changes in the Boot
Manager in the SP?

Of particular interest to me is:  Novell (286 and 386 versions), DR-DOS,
iRMX, various brands of Unix, Banyan Vines, Solaris (beta), NextStep (beta?),
Windows NT (beta), Lan Manager, DOS 6.0, and earlier versions of DOS.

Some of these combination may seem weird, but I have my purposes.

All Trademarks belong to their appropriate companys.  I know not what I am
saying so do not even think that Intel is responsible for my dribble.

Thanks in advance,

John
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: autostartup - it's gone on too long!
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:56:59 GMT

Terry Turner (tnt@netcom.com) wrote:
: a friend _still_ has apps starting up that he setup to autostart under
: os/2 1.3. he does not want them to startup and neither he nor i can get
: them to stop coming up at startup. if anyone can help us stop them please
: send me a note.
: 
: background: he migrated his 1.3 desktop to 2.0 when he installed it (this
: was last spring.summer) and these apps that he formerly wanted to have
: start up were still coming up. there is no obvious way to stop them. he
: has restartobjects set to startupfoldersonly and this does nothing to fix
: this problem. 
: 
: my best guess is that the problem requires some work with an ini file
: editor. has anyone tried this route?
: 
: -- 
: terry
: 	tnt@netcom.com
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OS/2 1.3 did not have the startup folder, it used a file named \STARTUP.CMD.
OS/2 2.0 still observes this, it runs it before the stuff in the startup
folder.  I bet you have an old

C:\STARTUP.CMD

that still starts the old stuff.  Kill it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: Help with dual monitor configuration
Keywords: os2 waffle 165
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:34:37 GMT

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>In article <XywFVB3w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:

>>I have OS/2 installed with an ATI VGA card, as well as a MONO card for
>>my secondary adapter.
>>What I wish to use my MONO screen is for running Waffle so that I may
>>switch it on now and then to ensure things are running smoothly.  As
>>well, when doing development work I wish to use my debugger on it.
>>I've got it working just peachy.  When Waffle is started, it switches
>>to the MONO monitor using a 'mode mono' command.  No problem.  I also
>>set the dos settings to VIDEO_MODE_RESTRICTION (or whatever it was)
>>to 'MONO'.  The problem (which is kind of silly if you ask me) is that
>>when I am switched to the application, I can see it on the MONO screen.
>>But the very second I switch away from it the screen disappears!

>You should get ahold of the utility EchoMon, available via anonymous
>ftp from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu (search the file /pub/os2/00Index for exact
>location).  This utility enhances the dual monitor support found in
>OS/2.

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>of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]

I have not even figured out to get a monochrome driver for OS/2. Could
someone please help me out? The word I got from both IBM and Hercules was
that there were no plans to develop *any* monochrome display drivers. I
have posted on this before with no luck. Anyone?? Pleeeeeze?


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InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu
From: schaefer@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Achim Schaefer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: QMS 1700 printer driver
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:45:48 GMT
Organization: University of Passau, Germany

In article <1992Dec12.054315.15585@midway.uchicago.edu>, sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.115215.8805@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> schaefer@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Achim Schaefer) writes:
|> >I am searching for a printer driver for QMS 1700.
|> >If anyone can tell me anything about this driver please e-mail.
|> 
|> Can you provide some specifics on this printer?  (Is it a Postscript
|> device, for example?)  I'm not familiar with this model.
|> 
|> -- 
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|> of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]


Yes, it is a Postscript device. But the printer has 600 dpi.

More I don`t know about ther printer, because it is not my 
printer. It is one of the University.

I hope this help`s you.

 - Achim
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: Re: OS/2's guts are 16bit
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:17:43 GMT

victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng) writes:

>I heard from someone that some of the in OS/2 is 16-bit.  I thought he
>was talking about the GRE in GA but he's not.  What's this guy talking
>about, or is it just more BS?

IBM performed an incremental move from 16 bit os/2 to 32 bit os/2. The new
code (such as memory management, kernal etc) required to make os/2 fully
support the 386 advanced modes was implemented first. A system called "thunks"
was introduced to allow 32 bit code and 16 bit code to cross call each other.
This allowed IBM to get a full version of os/2 2.0 up in far less time than
a from-scratch rewrite of os/2 (many sections of os/2 are in assembly, so 
you cannot just recompile). Understanding that they would be accused of
putting a 32 bit face on a 16 bit system, IBM has moved quickly to get the
most time critical sections still written in 16 bit moved to 32 bit. 
For instance, the "graphics engine" was 16 bit, but the recent service pack
included a 32 bit version, that also allows 32 bit video drivers to be 
created.
My understanding (the understanding of someone not from IBM) is that most of
the code in os/2 2.0 is now 32 bit.
Note that the easy communication between 32 and 16 bits has allowed us to 
make immediate use of the 16 os/2 programs written for os/2 1/x. Contrast
that with windows 3.0 virtually dumping all the 2.x programs in the trash
(and that wasn't even a 16 to 32 bit change).

                                                  [sam]

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From: luca@dedalo.unipg.it (Luca Priorelli)
Subject: SVGA help (or PDK)?
Organization: Universita' di Perugia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:27:33 GMT

I tried to install the OS/2 contained in the November PDK on an IBM PS/VP.
This PS has a SVGA (TSENG). The installation was OK, but I have a resolution
of 640x480. I cannot get 1024x768. I think I followed the instructions found
on the FAQ. I chose VGA during the installation, then I run SVGA ON from
a DOS session and rebooted the system. At this point I expected to see
1024x768 but nothing happend.

Is there something more to do? 

Besides, is there a way to see the resolution that WPS is using.

Thanks.

Luca Priorelli
From: msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Two system folders?
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:02:40 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Well, this is pretty odd.  When I started up my system today, I had 2
"OS/2 System" folders on my desktop.  They're right next to each other
(I use the 'flowed' display).  When I open their settings, though,
they both have exactly the same physical name:
	C:\OS!2 2.0 Desktop
	OS!2 System

Any ideas on how or why I'm getting a duplicate folder?  I've tried to
follow the redbooks on how folders are annotated in WP  ROOT. SF, the
.INI files, and the EA's, but it's a little too complex for someone
who's dealing with finals right now.
:-)

					Thanks,
					Michael

OS/2 2.0 SP, 8meg, 120mb (HPFS 40, HPFS 60, FAT 20), Orchid F1280 1meg
80486/33
--
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michael@binkley.ext.tufts.edu (daily uucp)     / completely wrong.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Confused ... or am I ? (was Re: Any news on OS/2 2.1?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<dposey.724397445@well.sf.ca.us>
	<1992Dec17.022716.26433@unixland.natick.ma.us>
	<BzE8qD.CL1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <JACOBS.92Dec17072138@cells.cs.utah.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:15:22 GMT


Alright le'me see if I got this right:

A bit of his-to-ry ...

First was GA : General Availabilty. (I'm ignoring pre-GA stuff ...
it's dynosaure's stuff)

Then came the SP: service pack a.k.a CSD, the famous 14 diskettes.

[Start of confusion] PLEASE CORRECT ONLY IF SURE !

The SP= bug fixes + 32-bit BETA UNI-THREADED WP + new bugs. It is NOT
the BETA version of 2.1. The BETA version is circulating in closed
areas amongst a number of people for testing. WP although 32-bit is
slower than GA.

Somewhere down the road there will come 2.1

2.1=bug fixes + 32-bit no-beta MULTI-WP + windows 3.1 + multi-media
stuff - new bugs :). 

It is a complete replacement (you get all diskettes) for 2.0.

WP is supposed to be FASTER on two accounts: it will not be a beta
version, it will be multi-threade.

[End of Confusion]

What did I get right ? What did I get wrong ? Fill us in ...

naji.

  ... and I thought DOS would end the confusion of CP/M ...
							Anoymous



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Bernoulli drives and OS/2.
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:08:16 GMT

In <1992Dec18.002215.21333@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>I don't understand the comment that Bernoulli drives don't work with
>os/2 without drivers. I read/wrote Bernoulli drives in an MS DOS
>session for quite a while before I got the Iomega drivers for os/2 and
>was able to use the drives in os/2 sessions. 

I think the trick to this is that you have to use AFDISK to format the
Bernoullis under DOS instead of the Iomega software.  It formats them
slightly smaller (42 vice 44 MB), but on my system they seem to access
a LOT faster.  That could just be the difference in the I/O speed of
the adapter, though.

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From: djbpitt+@pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: swap file question
Keywords: trident, scrolling, os2
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:51:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I'm afraid I ignored all the "swap file full" postings, since I am
running with 16MB of RAM and only four or five programs going at a time,
which led to me think that I was unlikely to be swapping at all. I was
rudely awakened yesterday when my swap file suddenly announced that it
had grown to 20MB, gobbling up all remaining space in my C partition and
bringing various programs to a screeching halt. I closed all
applications, reset the swap location to a larger drive, deleted the old
swap file, and rebooted, so the crisis has been solved, but two
questions still linger:

1. How could a simple configuration like mine, with more memory than
could possibly be needed for the applications I am running, ever
generate a 20MB swap file? That is, where did all this swapped-out data
come from?

2. How can I prevent the swap file from growing beyond a certain size in
the future? My D drive has plenty of free space for now, but is there a
setting I can enter that will tell the swap file to start dumping
unneeded information after it grows to a certain maximum size? In other
words, is there a user setting to force garbage collection?

The relevant line in my config.sys file reads:

swappath=d:\os2\system 2048 2048

It originally was on the C partition, but I switched it to D and created
the relevant subdirectories. The swap file is set up at about 2MB and
has not grown since I reset it.

Thanks for any suggestions,

David
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From: mhunter@ho13.eng.ua.edu (Mark W. Hunter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Startup Folder
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:07:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa


I think I might have discovered a slight glitch (bug) in the way OS/2 deals withthe startup folder. Recently I moved the program DeskPic into the startup folderso it would automatically load whenever I booted OS/2. After awhile I got tired of it and decided to move it out of the startup folder. After I did this and rebooted, DeskPic reloaded even though the program object wasn't in the startup
folder. It looks like OS/2 isn't recognizing when program objects are removed 
from the folder, and subsequently not changing the programs that should be loaded on boot-up. 

Mark
From: vohwi-d@acsu.buffalo.edu (David A. Vohwinkel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Service Pack patches????
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:00:54 GMT
Organization: UB

I have the Os/2 service pack XR-6055 or what ever IBM was shipping...
Is there any patches for the buggs that this pack introduces???  And if so
what are they, and where are they???


							thanks


							Dave V
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Desktop gone after restoring system from tape
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.174623.8596@networx.com> mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere) writes:
>If you had watched your backup listing carefully, you would probably
>have seen a message about "can't backup \OS2\OS2SYS.INI -- file in use"
>and another for "\OS2\OS2.INI".  (I think those are the names, just do
>a "DIR *.INI" in \OS2.)  The WPS keeps these files open at all times,
>with exclusive access.  This means backup utilities cannot get at them.

Correction: OS/2-aware backup utilities can indeed get to them.
(Sytos Plus, for example.)

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of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de (Thomas Greve)
Subject: Re: Boot Manager: Does any one have a compatibility list?
Organization: University of Bonn, phys. Chemistry
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:34:21 GMT

In article <sal8.246.724201910@po.cwru.edu> sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) writes:
>
>The NT beta has code included that makes it absolutely refuse to install if 
>it detects the OS/2 boot manager on your hard drive. Pretty rude of MS if 
>you ask me (OS/2 does no such check for NT).
Oh, no. They just want to keep you from wasting disk space: they know
you don't *need* NT if you already have OS/2... ;-) ;-)

On the other hand i regard it as a bug, that OS/2 ignores NT. It
should silently remove it... ;-) ;-)
-- 
				- Thomas

   greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) (OS/2)
Subject: Re: "Invalid internal file indentifier" message
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:19:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.055919.3983@sbcs.sunysb.edu> altman@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman) writes:
>
>I just installed the Service Pack and then upgraded
>the video drivers to XGA Hires.  Now the machine
>won't boot OS/2 and upon booting off of a floppy
>to access the HPFS partition I get the message
>"Invalid internal file indentifier"
>
>CHKDSK /F has no effect.  It doesn't think there
>is anything wrong.

Boot from floppies and try CHKDSK C: /F:3
assuming this partition is on drive C:.

[...]

>- Jeff  | Altmania Productions     |================================|

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ekarabin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric B Karabin)
Subject: Re: Diamond OS/2 Drivers (some info)
Originator: ekarabin@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.183648.19853@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes:

>   I just got off the phone with Diamond (408-736-2000)
>   they now have specific phone menu choice for os/2 driver information,
>   which is encouraging I guess.  (choose tech support to get to it)
>   Anyway, today's message says they have not yet received the drivers from s3
>   and as soon as they do, they will post them to the bbs (hopefully they will
>   'tweak' them first as I'm sure the 'raw' drivers won't work right).
>   Anyway, there is at least official acknowledgement of drivers for OS/2...


	What are you talking about?!  That's been there as long as I can
remember.

	"Today's message"?!?!  That's been there for as long as I can
remember too!

	That's not an official acknowledgement!  That's what we call
"giving you the run around."


		Yes, I have one of those damn boards too!



						Eric...
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From: dll@ut-emx.uucp (Don Loflin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM won't accept Internet problem reports any more
Summary: How to send email to CompuServe
Keywords: IBM problem report compuserve cis
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:54:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

rbotimer@max.ct.gmr.com (R Douglas Botimer) writes:
>
>CompuServe is on Internet. Don't have the details here, but you can send mail  
>to CompuServe subscribers via Internet (without having an account yourself).   
>I'll post the detail as soon as I find them.
>
>Doug

It's pretty easy -- just take the CIS user number (e.g. 76517, 1753), stick
a period in place of the comma and space.  That's the username, then just
send to username@compuserve.com.  For example 76517.1753@compuserve.com
(that's my CIS address from the Internet,BTW).

--Don Loflin
  loflin@emx.cc.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler)
Subject: Re: CDROM and SCSI info wanted
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:39:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Atlanta GA

In article <168BDE3E2.BOB@ysub.ysu.edu>, BOB@ysub.ysu.edu (Bob Quigley) writes:
> I am thinking of installing a TRANTOR T228 SCSI adapter, a Toshiba XM3301
> CDROM drive (the CD Porta-Drive from CD Technology) and an internal SCSI
> hard disk in my IBM PS/2 Model P70 portable. What I need to know is if the
> TRANTOR T228 with the Toshiba XM3301 is supported by OS/2? I would buy the
> complete adapter-CDROM drive set from CD Technology (this came as a promotion
> with the November PDK) but the TRANTOR is a short card that won't use
> up the only full slot available in the P70.

I have the T128 card with my NEC CDR36 and it works fine. Make sure that you get
the latest Trantor drivers (after 9/15/92) and the OS2CDROM software (I don't 
know if this is required for the 3301 or not, but it is for the NEC).

simon
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc