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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:19:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
From:         JMFREED@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      State Census Records

A request appeared on the net within the last day or two about state
censuses, and in today's mail came the announcement of a new book on
state census records:
    Author:  Lainhart, Ann S.
    Title:  State Census Records
    Pub. Date:  1992
    pages:  116, cloth bound
    Publisher:  Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
                  1001 N. Calvert St., Baltimore, MD 21203
          Phone:  410-837-8271
ISBN 0-8063-1362-5     $17.95

It is listed as
   "The First comprehensive list of state census records ever published....
.....State by state, year by year, often county by county and district by
district, she [Ann Lainhart] shows the researcher what is available in state
census records, where it is available, and what one might expect to find in
the way of data."
NOTE:  I do not have any financial interest in Genealogical Publishing Co, but
have been an extremely satisfied customer for 10 or more years.
--Jim Freed, Delaware, Ohio--
From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: how to contact Masonic Newcomb Lodge 279
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:34:09 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <92241.224324NXD@psuvm.psu.edu> <NXD@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I have a Paul Dowlin who apppeared on a New Mexico record with a notation he
>was a member of Newcomb Lodge #279 in Carmichaels, Penna sometime before
>1860.  That town is about 50 miles south of Pittsburgh and in Greene County,
>Penna.  Can anyone tell me how to find out more about his membership.  We
>find him in NM in 1861 but don't know when he left Pennsylvania or wether he
>stopped anywhere on the way.  Please reply by email.  Thank you.

     There is no longer a Masonic lodge in Carmicheals. I suggest you call 
the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania at 215-9881900, and ask for the office of
the Grand Secretary. They may be in posession of the lodge's minute books,
or, if the lodge merged with another, be able to tell you who has them.

						Peter Trei
						editor, Masonic Digest
						ptrei@mitre.org
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From: bob@cheetah.inmos.co.uk (Bob Green)
Subject: Attention Brian Madsen
Reply-To: bob@inmos.co.uk ()
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:25:25 GMT


Sorry to post here but:

I've tried to mail Brian Madsen but my mail bounces. Brian could you
let me have a few mail addresses to try ?

Thanks

-Bob
| Bob Green          Inmos Ltd, Bristol       bob@inmos.co.uk
|                                         or  bob@inmos.com        
|The opinions above are the rantings of a madman and therefore could
|not possibly reflect Inmos policy.
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: LDS Database Acess?
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:58:38 GMT
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <1992Sep2.213037.23821@acuson.com> lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:
>   The second hand information I have heard is that there is no, and will
>   be no, electronic access from outside to the LDS genealogical data.
>   The information is considered too important to risk _any_ possiblity of
>   damage by hackers.
>
>   The answer I heard was on the topic of providing modem lines, but I
>   assume that the policy would be universal.

This is then a nonsensical policy.  The simple solution to the fear of
hackers would be to put online only a CD-ROM version of the database
(or even a hardware write-protected hard-disk copy thereof, if speed
is more important).  This online database would not be networked or
connected to the rest of the LDS computers in any way.  The online
version could be updated every major CD-ROM release.  This would
provide network connection to the released database, which is what
most people would want, and absolutely guarantee inviolability of the
master database.

The only things standing in the way of this solution is money and time.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: kattke@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (g.w.kattke)
Subject: Help - Sweden location
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:15:39 GMT
Keywords: Skarstad, Jonkoping

For many years I have been trying to trace Frans Oscar Swanson,
who (according to family) was born in Sweden on Mar 22, 1845 and
came to the US in 1866 to settle in Yankton, SD. I was recently
told (breakthrough!) that he was born in Jonkoping, so I asked
for an index to Jonkoping emigration at the local LDS branch.
I found Frans Oscar Svensson, born 1845, left Jonkoping for
North America in 1868. Close enough. It also said "Skarstad:
Strand."

Now I have the actual emigration record. The heading says: 
Summarisk redogorelse for folkmangden i Skarstad forsamling af
Wista (or maybe Vista?) Prosteri Jonkoping Lan under ar 1868.
And the actual listing says Hemvist: Strand; Namn: Svensson Frans
Oscar Drang (I think this means unmarried); Fodelse: Ar 1845
Monad Mar Dag 22.

So far so good, but now I am having trouble identifying these places.
Svensk Ort forteckning 1974 suggests that (I have a bit of Norwegian, 
but no Swedish) that Strand is a farm near Huskvarna in Jonkoping
(Skarstad). The LDS locality file, under Huskvarna, said "see 
Hakarp," so I ordered some of the Hakarp church records.

Can someone tell me if I have this right? Or set me straight?
How about a short tutorial on identifying Swedish place names?
And can someone suggest where I might buy a detailed map of
the area?

Thanks
Jerry Kattke
kattke@ihlpl.att.com
From: df@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dale Farnsworth)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Ancestral File to PAF Download?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:02:25 GMT
Reply-To: df@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dale Farnsworth)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.

f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> I'm told it's possible to download data from the Ancestral File at LDS Family
> History Centers to a disk, take it home and load it into PAF.  One person tells
> me that PAF will do some tentative links automatically from the data.  The FHC
> Director at the local center is 65 miles from me, may or may not know and it's
> a long distance call (I'm being cheap too.)  Any help with this before I drive
> up to the stake center would be gratefully received.  I assume this may be via
> a GEDCOM file.  Is that correct?
> 
> Thanks, Paul...

Yes.  If you take a floppy disk to the Family History Center, you can
select portions of the Ancestral File to be placed in GEDCOM files on
your disk.  You can later import the GEDCOM files into your PAF data.

I'm not aware of any automatic links between the new and old data, but
the merge feature of PAF is useful for eliminating duplicate individuals
that result when individuals in the Ancestral File GEDCOM file were already
in your PAF database.

(Sure beats printing info from the Ancestral File and later entering it
into PAF by hand.)

-Dale
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:45:02 -0500
Reply-To:     RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
From:         RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Surname LEISURE

This was almost certainly a deformation of a French name such as :
LESUR, LESURE, LESIEUR, which are still nowadays rather common in France.
(Note that LESIEUR is a perfect anagram of LEISURE !  Maybe someone in Ellis
Island was a bit dyslexic  :-)

Jean Paul Rigaut
rigaut@frurbb51
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:41:45 EDT
Reply-To:     radamaryb@UBE.BITNET
From:         radamaryb@UBE.BITNET
Subject:      Croom

To person who was interested in the name Croom -
There is a small town in Prince George's County, MD, near
Upper Marlboro named Croom.  _Maryland A to Z_ says it "is
in the heart of an agricultural area which was chosen for their
estates by many prominent families of earlier times."  A church
there is the Episcopal Church of St. Thomas.  The source I am
looking at does not say anything about a family by that name.

Mary Schwartz
radamaryb@ube.ub.umd.edu
From: alan@essex.ac.uk [Alan M Stanier]
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Standard Abrreviations for geographical areas
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:29:51 GMT
Reply-To: alan@essex.ac.uk
Organization: University of Essex Computing Service, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK

Also sprach tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
}> In Britain there is a standard (BS 6879:1987) for the abbreviation of
}> County names in England Scotland and Wales. 
}
}I presume that a British Standard promulgated in 1987 will only deal with
}the counties then (now) in existance. What is about those counties (such as
}Rutland) which have been subsumed into bigger ones? Are names included
}retrospectively? What about the changes in county boundaries? Are they
}included?

The 1987 Standard included not only those Counties then in existance, but
also those that existed before the reorganisation on 1974. Rutland
has the coding RUT.  The codings used for pre-1974 Counties are very
similar to the Chapman County Codes (probably because Colin Chapman
chaired the committee that produced BD 6879): the only difference is
that the coding for Leicestershire changed from LEI to LEC (because
the GPO didn't want any code ending with I or O in case of confusion
with 1 and 0)



--
  Alan M Stanier   | Alan Michael, son of Roger William, son of William Edwin,
 alan@essex.ac.uk  | son of William John, son of William, son of John, son of
tel +44 206 872153 | William ... (research still in progress)
From: walter@zarquon.Eng.Sun.COM (Walter Bays)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: PAF Text Editing
Date: 3 Sep 1992 01:25:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: zarquon

In article Cuu@news.cso.uiuc.edu, wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins) writes:
>Does anyone know of a way to export PAF notes to a file, edit them on
>something that's a little more friendly than the PAF editor, and then read
>them back into the record?

If it's a one-time update of all your notes, and someone in your local
genealogical group has a Macintosh, you could edit them with PAF on a
Mac which has the normal friendly editor.  Also I heard there's a version
of PAF coming for Windows (not real soon), so it should also have nice editing.

An opinionated aside, bound to draw attacks, but I can't help myself :-)
I went to one meeting of my local PAF users group and was surprised to
find that most of the club time went not into genealogy related topics,
but to sharing work-arounds to archaic difficult to use MS-DOS
software.  PAF/Windows has to be one of the most important projects for
amateur genealogy at LDS - whether they know it or not.

---
Walter Bays                                    walter.bays@eng.sun.com
Sun Microsystems, 2550 Garcia Ave., MTV15-404, Mountain View, CA 94043
(415) 336-3689                                      FAX (415) 968-4873
From: LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU (Sharolyn Pyeatt)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: GERMAN GENEALOGICAL DICTIONARIES
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:38:21 GMT
Reply-To: "Sharolyn Pyeatt" <LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU>
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA
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Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

A while back, I was asked to check on genealogical guidebooks & maps
related to Germany.  As a result, I came across several reference
books which may be of use to others conducting research.  Rather than
list everything together, I'm subdividing the results of my research
into appropriate categories, which I will identify in the Subject
header on these postings.  Most of this information has been taken
from the Research Libraries Information Network (RLIN), an online
bibliographic utility associated with the Research Libraries Group.

If they appear to be in print, I will include price information, etc.


1.  Walker, Ronald D.  A GENEALOGICAL HANDBOOK OF GERMAN TERMINOLOGY
      & GRAMMAR.  Sandy, UT : author, 1977-    I was unable to determine
      whether any volumes were published after the initial volume 1.

2.  GENEALOGICAL WORD LIST : GERMAN.  1st ed.  Salt Lake City, UT : Family
      History Library, c1990.  LCCN# 91-128622.  This is a 12-page pamphlet.
      It appears that similar lists are available for French, Spanish &
      Swedish.

3.  Weiss, Friedrich. ENGLISH & GERMAN MYTHOLOGICAL, GENEALOGICAL &
      HISTORICAL DICTIONARY.  Available on microfilm from Readex
      Microprint.

4.  Storrer, Norman J. A GENEALOGICAL & DEMOGRAPHIC HANDBOOK OF GERMAN
      HANDWRITING, 17TH-19TH CENTURIES.  Pleasant Grove, UT : author,
      1977-.  LCCN# 77-150685.


Sharolynn Pyeatt
___________________________________________________________________
Researching:  ANDERSON (Indiana, Garrard Co, KY, Hunterdon Co., PA)
   PYEATT  (Washington Co., ARK, KY, NC)
   RICHTER (Ohio)                 DORRISS  (OR, MO, IN, KY)
   PONTIUS (Ohio)                 BAKER  (OR, WA, Muskingum Co., OH)
   HOLOCH  (Neb., Germany)        WALDRON (Neb., Ohio)
   KEIL  (Okla., Prussia)         NEAL (Washington Co, ARK, MO, KY)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: Registered stalk book?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:26:12 GMT

LINDA@UCSFVM.BITNET (Linda Erkelens) writes:

  >" My grandfather Edwin Long had two brothers, their names were Ruben
  >and Samuel.  They brought the first merino sheep, the first thorobred
  >horses from England.   You can find their names on the regerestered
  >stalk book.  But they....
  >Does anyone know anything about a registered stalk book?

Possibly "stock" book?

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 |Don Wiggins                         |            _Researching_        |
 |306 East Franklin                   |       WIGGINS, STALEY, HALL,    |
 |Fisher, IL  61843-9440              |       BIRKHIMER, MCINTIRE,      |
 |email:  wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu |       PARK(E), CHANCE, MUNRO....|
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:47:00 MST
Reply-To:     MARLEYT@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
From:         MARLEYT@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject:      help!
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

A friend of mine gave me Family tree as a gift. The only problem is when i
 opened the
the box . there was no manual. I would appreciate any help if someone can tell
me how to merge two files. One on my A drive and the The other on my Hard Drive.



Marley Treadwell

Email Address : Marleyt@ccit.arizona.edu

RESEARCHING" McLaughlin, Kelly, Spead,Oneil, Masterson, McQuade,Waters: this is
all my side of the family.

Husbands side: Treadwell,Burgess,Bride, Scripture
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:28:56 LCL
Reply-To:     Helen Raine <hraine@EAGLE.MIT.EDU>
From:         Helen Raine <hraine@EAGLE.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      MAC genealogy software
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I have a MAC computer and would like to enter my data into a genealogy
software program.  Can you advise me what program is available for the
MAC?  Is Brother's Keeper strictly IBM?  And if not, how can I find it
on a bulletin board service?

Thanks,

Hraine@eagle.mit.edu
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Cemetery Recording Program
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:57:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA


 * Copied from 'Software' by Steve Hayes

The following file is available for f-req from 5:7101/20 at 2500 bps.

I will also be sending it to 5:7101/22, where it will be available at V32 or 
HST speeds

CEM051   LZH   195834 92-08-29 12:52 Cemetery Recording Program v 0.51

This is a test version of a program for local history societies, family 
history societies and similar organizations to record tombstone inscriptions. 

The main aim of distributing it at this stage is so that people who are 
interested will test it and submit bug reports to the authors. The program has 
been developed after extensive discussions in this echo and in GENEALOGY.EUR 
over the last couple of years. The people who are interested, and who have 
participated in the discussions, should get hold of a copy and test it. It 
should not be put to serious use yet, but should be used with test data only.

I will be sending a copy on disk to Mike Fisher of 2:440/50@Fidonet so that he 
can release it into the Genealogy Software Distribution System (GSDS) on 
Fidonet.

I will also try to send it by ftp to Simtel20, but there are no guarantees 
about that.

Steve Hayes
P O Box 7648, Pretoria
0001 South Africa


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From: LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU (Sharolyn Pyeatt)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: GERMAN GENEALOGICAL MAPS
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:04:15 GMT
Reply-To: "Sharolyn Pyeatt" <LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU>
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA
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As stated in another post, I am listing reference materials which may
be of interest to those conducting German genealogical research.  These
materials were identified through the RLIN network.

1.  Gardiner, Duncan B.  GERMAN TOWNS IN SLOVAKIA & UPPER HUNGARY :
       A GENEALOGICAL GAZETTEER.  3rd ed., completely revised & expanded.
       Lakewood, OH : Family Historian, 1991.  (Other libraries seem
       to have the 1st and/or 2nd editions)

I was unable to locate anything directly related to "Germany" itself-- but
would guess that there may be other reference tools available.

Sharolynn Pyeatt
From: KINSELLA@NOVELL1.RTC-CARLOW.IE (Austin Kinsella)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Gedcom data format
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: Austin Kinsella <KINSELLA@NOVELL1.RTC-CARLOW.IE>
Organization: Carlow RTC, Ireland
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Can someone please send me, or tell me where to get, the Gedcom data
format.
Thanks
Austin Kinsella
Lecturer, Department of Computers, Physics and Mathematics
Regional Technical College, Kilkenny Road, Carlow, Ireland.
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:27:00 GMT
Reply-To:     "G.MULVENNA" <OSG1688@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK>
From:         "G.MULVENNA" <OSG1688@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK>
Subject:      More on the Irish Genealogical Project (IGP)
Comments: To: ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU>

In response to my post on the Irish Genealogical Project,
Paul Bodurtha (Bodurthap@hartwick.edu) replied to me:
>Gerry, IGP sounds interesting and full of possibility.  *Is it real?*
>Smells fishy.  Get your dollars/pounds in by 1Aug92; we'll have more for you
>later, etc.  Is there some kind of "Better Business Bureau" one can check
>with to see if IGP is "legit"?
>- Paul

I don't actually question the legitimacy of the Irish Genealogical Project's
Interim Research service, which offers an assessment of research for a
given ancestor for a fee of 15 pounds ($28ish).  It is approved by both of
the Irish tourists boards and  is partly based at the Ulster American Folk
Park in County Tyrone, which I know to be a reputable establishment.

To find out more, I phoned the Folk Park and enquired about their research
service.  The IGP's project manager there, a Mr John Winters, explained
that the 1 August 1992 deadline previously advertised had been extended
due to the protracted postal strike in the Republic of Ireland.  The
new deadline is now "mid-September", so applications are still welcome.

He explained that the project is a coalition between all the different
Irish heritage agencies and the associations of commercial genealogists.
His role is that of a clearing agency to pass on incoming application
forms to the heritage agency in the appropriate part of the country.

The quality of the research results is closely monitored, he claims,
to ensure value for money.  A full fee of 60 pounds ($113ish) will
get you a full report on the research carried out into all available
sources.

For further details I suggest you contact Mr John Winters, IGP project
manager, Ulster Americal Folk Park, Omagh, Co. Tyrone, Ireland.  The
phone number is +44 662 243292.

In my conversation with Mr Winters, no mention was made of LDS
involvement in the project which seems odd.

Gerry Mulvenna (osg1688@v2.qub.ac.uk)
Belfast, Ireland
From: Robert.Haack@p242.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Haack)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: State Census Records
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:35:23

 Responding to Carol Botteron's (botteron@gnu.ai.mit.edu) question about
 state census records, I might suggest a new resource book available from
 Genealogical Publishing Company in Baltimore.  STATE CENSUS RECORDS by Ann
 S. Lainhart is a textual compilation of state records. The book is organized
 by state, and lists:
  * When census was taken
  * Which counties are included is not complete state
  * Where records are located, such as state archives or library
  * Which, if any, of the records are indexed or microfilmed
    and where some of the holdings may be found.
  * References to known state materials, such as territorial index or
    other resource books
  This book appears to be a thorough reference for your question!
  Robert Haack
  rdh@p242.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org
  rdh@ocitor.fidonet.org

 * Origin: Roots RELAY(ted) (1:124/4115.242)
From: basque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Basque Guy)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Surname LEISURE
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:53:23 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET writes:

>This was almost certainly a deformation of a French name such as :
>LESUR, LESURE, LESIEUR, which are still nowadays rather common in France.
>(Note that LESIEUR is a perfect anagram of LEISURE !  Maybe someone in Ellis
>Island was a bit dyslexic  :-)

>Jean Paul Rigaut
>rigaut@frurbb51

 There is another possibility.  This person could be from Quebec and
his name was Lazure. The closest spelling in English which would sound
like Lazure said in French, would be Leisure, since the "s" sound is
then pronounced as a "j", and this is quite close to the "z" sound.

 Anyway, if it's Lazure, the original spelling of the name, back in 1680,
was Hazeur and since at that time most of the people couldn't spell their
name, they were at the mercy of the priests for the correct spelling,
and variations were abundant. Just for this name, I have the list of the
different spellings with the frequency (for the period between 1680 and
1765):

SPELLING            PHONETICS       Frequency
hazeur              aseur           109  
azur                asur            42   
azure               asure           41   
hazur               asur            37   
hazure              asure           10   
asur                asur            6    
hasur               asur            5    
asure               asure           2    
auzure              osure           1    
azeur               aseur           1    
hasurd              asur            1    

 I just checked in the Montreal phone directory, and there no Hazeur at
all, but there are 93 Lazure now.  I can't prove it but I have good
reason to believe that the Lazure are the descendants of Hazeur, just by
looking at the different spellings.

--
Guy Basque  Services informatiques   \  Universite de Montreal
E-Mail:     basque@ere.umontreal.ca   \  Tel: (514) 343-5622
Finger:     basque@eole.ere.umontreal  \  FAX: (514) 343-2155