From: marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc Milanini)
Subject: Re: Guns, and the necessity to trust our governement.
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:03:31 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: guns and fascism

In article <1992Aug22.130145.15014@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>Marc Milanini:
>>The fascists usually say something like "Rely on yourself, not on the
>>collectivity". This is exactly the same meaning as your arguments.
>
>Surely you are mistaken: the very etymology of the word `fascism' implies
>collectivity.  Explicit exhaltation of collective unity and collective
>goals is central to all forms of fascistic ideologies, including, but not
>limited to the Italian and the German variety.  This may include
>glorification of national history, with its attendant expansionist and
>revanchist ambitions, reliance on racial mythology of "blood and soil",
>populist appeals to the lower middle classes, and so on.

Fascism advocates the interests of the nation, the collectivity,
the supreme race upon other countries, cultures, etc... However,
if you look at how Fascism proceeds, you will see that the point
is to glorify the individual qualities of each citizen by implicating
them in organizations that, although they are using team spirit and
discipline, are based on the potential of each member. By joining the
S.A., the S.S. or wearing a black shirt, the individual takes in his hands
the future of his nation, and thus his own future, since the nation is 
equated with the individual ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer !").

Somehow the message is "Take your destiny and the destiny of your nation
in your own hands".

It is a bit different from communism, even though the final results
and appearances are similar. In communist countries, you are supposed
to do your job, and plenty of organizations will take care of the
rest for you. Those organizations are directly controlled by the state
or the community. In Fascist countries, you are yourself part of
those organizations, that makes a difference, not much I agree.

Let me back my claims by a few quotes:

"A majority can never replace the man. Just as a hundred fools do not 
make one wise man, an heroic decision is not likely to come from a 
hundred cowards."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf.

"There is only one right in the world and that right is one's own strength."

Adolf Hitler.

>Well, all this brouhaha started after I politely inquired about the permit
>requirements.  As for paramilitary semiautomatic rifles, I have seen them
>advertised in French arms magazines, the sole difference being their
>chambering in a non-military caliber, like .243 Winchester or .300 Savage.

Whereas in the USA, you can buy M16s by reading ads in the newspapers.
We agree that European countries have less criminality than the USA.
As a matter of fact, thay also have harscher control on guns...

>cordially,
>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."

Funny how we jumped from an innocent question to arguments about fascism.
It must be the French fighting spirit...

Cordially,

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