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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:50:10 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Nov19.221357.8767@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
><2951@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>><Ef2hDli00iUzM72Y1Q@andrew.cmu.edu> kt25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenon Warren Tutein) writes:
>>Aikman just hasn't had very many oppotunities over his four year career
>>to show his come-from-behind ability.
>
>Beg your pardon??  I don't believe Aikman's career record is a winning 
>one yet.  And I do remember a 1-15 season in which he played at least half
>the games.  What do you mean he "hasn't had many opportunities"??

I mean that the Cowboys haven't been in very many games where they are
trailing by a few points late in the game.  During the 1-15 season, they
were almost always getting beat badly.  Last year and this year, they
have usually been on the top side of things -- in fact, last week was the
first time they were trailing late in the game this year, with a reasonable
chance at a comeback.  And as I said, they almost did pull it out.  I still
say it wasn't Aikman's fault, it was Martin's.

Besides, he can't do it alone.  When the team was 1-15, no quarterback could
have pulled out the games.  Not Elway, not Montana, not Young.  The overall
team just wasn't good enough to win.

I'll take Aikman over any other QB in the league.  True, he is no Elway --
then again, Elway is no Aikman, either.

Daniel Welch
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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: Detroit Starter Question
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:04:09 GMT

This is an FFL question.  I need to know who is starting for the Detroit
Lions this week.

   Kramer
   Peete
   Ware

- Dman -

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From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA 
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:44:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.143802.26756@bnr.ca>, lowery@bnr.ca (Gary Lowery) writes:
|>In article <97782@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nor
Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:
|>>YES!!!!  What a game??  Cant believe that I stayed until the game's
over just
|>>watch the Cowgirls LOSE!!! Just made my day brighter after the eagles game.
|>>Did the Giants lose too??  If they did, that means that all NFC east teams 
|>>lost this week. 
|>>
|>>GO EAGLES!!!
|>>
|>>Azli.
|>>
|>>
|>Hey, it made my day.  What made it even sweeter was that now the 49ers 
|>control their own destiny with home field advantage in the play-offs.
|>Got to love it.  Settle down boy fans.
|>
   All I have to say is that "on any given Sunday any NFL team can
   lose to another NFL team"  that includes your niners.    By the
   way, since the niners control their own destiny I hope SI puts them 
   on the cover for the rest of the season......................
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Darrell and his BOLD Predictions for WEEK 12!
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:57:48 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00057-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu




  So far, 2 wrong out of 12..waiting for KC/Seattle and Wash/N.O....
  Well, the 49ers and the Cowboys screwed up my perfect 1:00 game
  record.. ugh.. Anyway, next time I think I'll not post any lines.
  I got busted by the Raiders line (Elway not in!! AARGH!!), the
  Vikings line (Browns surprise!!!), and the Miami line (Good game.. :) )
  
-- 
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What's happening in NYG-Phil game?!
Date: 22 Nov 1992 13:25:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

What the hell is going on in the Giants-Eagles game? It's not on the air here
but looking at the scores:

2nd quarter: 20 - 6 Giants

<-- what the hell happened between here?? -->

3rd quarter: 40 - 20 Eagles(34 unanswered points!!)

4th quarter: 47 - 27 Eagles (with still 7:00 left to go??!)

If someone is watching this game, please post a summary when it's over! I'm
dying to find out what happened!

-Teh Kao

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: They might be faking it... 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:31:21 GMT


>In article <722036491snx@smok.demon.co.uk>, richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne) writes:

>|> Why does the defensive team NEVER turn down the delay of game (which is an
>|> optional penalty) if the offense deliberatly go for it?

Sometimes they do.  I think the Niners did this once this year to keep
-- 
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:47:35 GMT

In article <BxxCqn.5yt@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes:
>If the 49'ers were the best in 1990 how come they lost to the Giants.
The 49ers were the best in 1990, they just didn't prove it in the
NFC championship game.

>The Bills were the best team of 1990, they just didn't prove it in
>the Super Bowl.
If the Bills were the best in 1990 how come they lost to the Giants.

These are your own logic. Take you pick.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE PACKERS FANS ARE PARTYING TONIGHT, BOY!
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:27:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Must be a small party.  HA!!!!



Couldn't resist!

Nathan
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From: kvk@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Kevin)
Subject: Need McKellar stats for Bills-Dolphins
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:39:43 GMT
Keywords: stats

The box scores I've seen for last Monday's Bills-Dolphins game appear to
be incorrect, Kelly is shown with 19 completions, but there are only
17 Bills receptions credited.

I have McKeller in my fantasy league, I'm losing by one point, and I swear
the radio play-by-play had McKellar catching one pass. Could anyone clear
up whether McKellar had any receiving yardage Monday night, and/or where
the two Buffalo receptions missing from the box score went to? Thanks.

				Kevin Kinder
				kvk@iexist.att.com

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From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (THE Wademeister)
Subject: HELP someone in pitt.
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:18:21 GMT

Help I have Wide reciver Dwight Stone on my fantasy Team.
What is the word for next week
BTW Steelers are on there way.........about time.
                              -wade-
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"If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure"..V.P Dan Quayle....... 
 Let me say I am some say anyway a vary poor speller, I know what you are..... 
thinking,gee I hardly noticed but its true....|\\w//|.........................
.............OWNER..GRAVE DIGGERS.............................................
From: felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:23:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov16.005333.19335@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.201403.356@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> q2dt@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Turner) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.190835.18444@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>>>>`86 Giants, 
>>>I'm pretty sure the NFC championship was less of a smear than the SB.
>
>>Are you serious?  The Giants beat the 49ers 49-3 in that game, knocking
>>Montana out of the game.  The Super Bowl was 39-20. 
>
>I've gotta stop posting so early in the day.  For some reason, I was
>fixed on the '85 season that the Bears won.  Apologies.

Ahem.  Don't apologize for this one.  You were right.  The score in the NFC
Championship that year was, (if I recall correctly):

NY Giants 17	Washington Redskins 0

The Giants' annihilation of the Niners occurred in the previous round.

Felix Ling
--
   Pulaski walked to the Turboshaft doors, stepped in, and plummeted down
ninety-nine floors, yelling, "Dammit, Jean-Luc!  I'm a doctor, not a
skydiver!"  She landed with a resounding thump and croaked, "I've fallen,
and I can't get up!"
   "She's dead, Jean-Luc," announced Dr. Beverly Crusher.
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject:   MNF announcers still suck
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:21:17 GMT

I only watched a few plays of the game between the Dolphins and Bills,
and on nearly every one of them the MNF guys were saying that Miami was
doing something illegal.  Once Dierdork wanted a late hit out of bounds
(seemed like an okay hit to me), another time Marino was drawing the
Bills offsides by moving his upper body (replay did NOT clearly show this
at all), and on yet another they wanted a pick on some wide receiver
(replay showed this was possible).  Then when the Bills had the ball
they did nothing but gush about how great they were.  It seemed like
bias or bandwagon jumping to me.  Keep in mind that I'm not making a
statement about either team (I don't care that much), but just making
an observation about the announcers everyone loves to hate.  Did anyone
else notice this?



-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Have you posted stuff to Wuarchive /pub/nfl  ???
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:26:38 GMT

If you have posted any information to wuarchive in the
/pub/nfl directories I would like to get in touch with
you.

I am trying to start an archive of nfl info on wuarchive.
The one in /pub/nfl is nice, but it is only being left on
the machine by the grace of Chris Myers.  

There is an administered directory in /doc/misc/sports/nfl
which Chris does not have to review and decide to leave it
or delete it.  There are some cool files that we need to have
moved over to the /doc/misc/sports/nfl directory, but I don't
know who posted them and who was updating them.

Somebody posted the season records since back into the sixties.
Somebody posted the afl-afc, nfl-nfc championship game info.
Somebody posted the qb rating formula.

Please get in touch with me, if you posted this info or want
to post other info.

Bryan Cooper
cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu

ps. peace
From: carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:13:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxxy6C.IAu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UB

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>around, but it was a mirage, a fallacy. The Da Bills will fold again, 
>they have no backbone, besides having hard-ons, but that doesn't count
>unless you're a woman or queer.

John, do you get a "backbone" when you write these asinine posts?

Mike
From: amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: ]e: Week of upsets or what?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:56:10 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92320.215526U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>, U58582@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>The fans of the winning clubs may not accept but this does look
>like a week of upsets.
>
>
>Rams over C'boys
>Pack over Eagles
>Bucs over Bears
>Pats over Colts (Who else can lose to NE?)
>
>Of course other games that the fans of losing teams would consider upsets
>
>Oilers over Vikes
>Chiefs over Skins
>
>Well the season looks more interesting now.
>
>Wonder what would be considered an upset in tomorrows game?
>


TOO BAD YOU PICKED ALL THESE GAMES AFTER THEY HAPPENED 3:50 GMT ON 11/16
WE ARE NOT THAT STUPID!
 
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:34:03 GMT

curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>To show the absurdity of this whole argument, I hereby 
>advance the "Human Mascot Theory."  Teams with Human-like Mascots
>(49ers/Redskins/Giants) have beaten teams with non Human-like
>Mascots (Bengals/Broncos/Bills) 

Here's a less absurd theory: Teams from larger cities have beaten
teams from smaller cities in every superbowl since 1981.  And this way
you can also account for the L.A. Raiders beating the D.C. Skins.

(The only question mark is Chicago vs New England, but Chicago is
bigger than Boston).


--Gidi
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Boomer Benched
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:20:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hi,

Apparently Dave Shula has had enough!  After throwing 2 INTS and recording
a season low yardage on offense, Boomer Esiason will be benched for the rest
of the season and Dave Klingler (their first round draft pick from the Houston
Cougars) will start.  Boomer says he'd be willing to mentor Klingler (as if he
had a choice) if he could get traded next year.

Esiaon started in the NFL as one of the great passer of the game and took the
Bengals to the Super Bowl wherein they came within 34 seconds and a crucial
dropped interception to losing to the Niners 20-16.  After he had elbow
surgery in 1990, his numbers had been getting progrssively worst. He hasn't
thrown for more than 200 yards all season.

satish nair
go giants
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Darrell and his BOLD Predictions for WEEK 12!
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:10:54 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Nov19.200307.27661@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>Cleveland at Minnesota: Minnesota by 28. They will romp.

I don't know about this, Minnesota has not beaten a winning team yet. And
has lost 2 of the three it has played outside its division. Basically, it
seems Minnesota beats up on the weak sisters of its division and has trouble
elsewhere.

>San Fran at L.A. Rams: Rams by 6. San Fransisco will fall to the upstart Rams.
>Washington at N.O.: Washington by 3. N.O. will defend, but can't score!!    

Interesting ideas.


Tom Wolf
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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: NFC Central Stadings
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:29:27 CST

However, Green Bay isn't going to lose.  Tampa's coming to the winter
wonderland of Milwaukee.       

Packers 27        Tampa Bay 10
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes/Browns comments
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:24:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.By5G4n.G6z
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


In his articleMark D. Larimer writes,

And to the purple bleeder who touts his two favorite teams as the
Vikes and the Browns: you have nothing to be proud of today.
.............

       I never said that I am proud of what the Vikes have
been recently upto and I still hold that this kind of
anemic O by the Vikes will eliminate them in game-1 of the
playoffs.  

As for the Browns, they are still biulding and they will
be a force to reckon with down the raod.

S.H
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Cowboys lose to RAMS???
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:39:58 GMT

I think that the Rams win over the Cowboys shows two things...

The Rams played one hell of a football game on Saturday, not because of the
fact that they beat the Cowboys, but just becaue that was probably the one   
best performance that they have put in all season.  The Rams looked really 
good on offense, and their defense looked superb as well...Maybe not a lot 
of sacks, but a lot of pressures on Aikman.  I also commend their offensive
line.  The only sack that the Cowboys got all day was the one that they got 
when Everett tripped over his own two feet.

Secondly, the Cowboys once again showed their lack of concentration.  They had
emotional wins over Detroit last week, and Philly the week before, and just 
didn't seem to show up for this game mentally.  Irvin showed many times that 
his lack of concentraion can be suspect.  He dropped three+ passes that he
should have caught during critical points in three different Cowboys drives.
I will chalk this one up to inexperience, and a great game plan by the Rams
 and their coaching staff.  

Any other thoughts from any others, Pokes fan, Rams fans, etc...

Sean
 
 
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From: dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd)
Subject: Ernest Givins
Reply-To: dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:48:14 GMT


Ernest Givins went down with an ankle injury in Sunday's game against
"the Fish".  If you have any info regarding the status of his injury
I'd appreciate hearing about it.


Thanks!

-Don Todd
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92322.192615U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>, U58582@uicvm.uic.edu writes...
>Even I like Bills, but your logic beats me a bit...
>SO what if Bills beat 49ers the last time?
>DOes it mean they will beat 49ers in the SB?
>(they still might, but that's a different issue)
>Wonder why the divison teams play with each other then?
> 
>This starts an interesting question.
>Can anyone list the teams which in the SB beat teams they lost to in the
>regular season, if any?

It seems like every year in the playoffs and the Super Bowl that if Team A
had lost to team B in the regular season that come playoffs and Super Bowl
that team A would beat team B.

The following are instances that come to mind:

1991

regular season: San fran beat the Giants
playoffs      : Giants beat San fran

regular season: Buffalo beat the Giants
super Bowl    : Giants beat Buffalo

1984

regular season: Miami beat San fran
Super Bowl    : San fran beat Miami

I know that there exist many more instances, but off the top of my head I can't
remember any more. Feel free to add on.
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Predictions
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:48:03 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


What!!!!,
The Minnesota Vikings losing its 5th Super Bowl.......
Boy, I wish it never happens after all those losses to the
Chiefs, Dolphins, Raiders & the Steelers in the Super-Bowls
in the 70s.

Painful memories......

Super Bowl IV: Jan. 1970, Kansas City 23, Minnesota 7.
Super Bowl VIII: Jan. 1974, Miami 24, Minnesota 7.
Super Bowl IX: Jan. 1975, Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6.
Super Bowl XI: Jan. 1977, Oakland 32, Minnesota 14.

It is better to lose in the play-offs, than lose in the SB
again.....and Vikes' fan like me can't take these 
heart breaks anymore. We've had enough.

Atleast we are now tied with the Broncos for the maximum
number of futilities in the Super-Bowl....4 times....
and we do not want to break this record and wouldn't
mind the Broncos breaking it..:-):-)

S.H
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White)
Subject: Bills
Reply-To: d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:20:41 GMT

After reading several articles about the Dolphins-Bills game, I am happy
that I was not the only one going ape shit over the referees in the games.
They were very poor in officiating, and I'm sure that after the MNF
announcing crew blasted them publically on the air, the NFL will
consider being a little more selective on those officials they do
choose to do national games.

About the game however, it was up to billing.  But, although I've read
that the officials blew the game for Miami, that Buffalo was better
during this particular game.  The adjustments, out of character for
the bills, were effective after the first quarter.  The offense moved
the ball better than it has since its loss to miami, and the defense,
which is much approved against the run since last year, regrouped.
Also, I've heard some people infer that if Offerdahl was playing, that
the Miami defense would have been better and that might have been the
difference.  However, the inside linebackers for the bills were also
injured for this game, with Bennet playing the middle, he took time to
warm up in his unfamiliar position, as seen in Miami's first drive,
when they ran the ball at will.  It seems as if Buffalo, if they can
come up big against Atlanta, will have proven themselves to once again
be a power, not the team that struggled through miami, l.a., and the
jets.  If the D can get back to full strength, and kelley can keep his
elbow healthy, not even dolphin fans will be able to doubt the 2 time
AFC champions.

About the intentional grounding call...do please remember that
although not as obvious, Marino did throw a ball that was further away
from the reciever than kelley's, and the MNF wondercrew jumped all
over that one too.  They cancelled each other out, maybe that is why
the ref didn't call it, who knows.

Bills, 1993 Superbowl Champions, 21-20, over the Dallas Cowboys.

						-DW-