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From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: SPIC-MACAY:L. Subramaniam (Violin): Sep. 23 :FREE
Date: 2 Sep 1992 09:18:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

			      Violin Virtuoso


                             Dr. L. SUBRAMANIAM


				accompanied
			    on the MRIDANGAM by
				  GANESH

                        Wednesday Sept. 23, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
   		     Crystal Cove Auditorium, Student Center
			   University of California
				   Irvine


		**ALSO AT:
		 US International Univ., SAN DIEGO. Sept. 24th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
		**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:

                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 745-2917 (Kartik)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: narayan@ics.uci.edu (sanjiv)
			   anantk@usc.edu (anant)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. 
Dr. Subramaniam will present the Violin as a Carnatic music instrument
and explain the subtleties of Indian music.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------

 405 south or 5 South
 exit Jamboree go right
 left at campus
 right at bridge (2nd light)
 left at Pereira (1st light) 
 enter parking garage on the left.
 Crystal Cove is in the Student Center opp from the garage,

 PARKING: $ 2 per car.
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Brahmin bashing
Keywords: brahmin
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:50:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Aug26.175021.9312
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <91U703Un6aZK00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> murali@uts.amdahl.com (K. Muralidharan) writes:
>I was very happy when our site finally started getting soc.culture.tamil
>but when I started reading some news articles I lost my interest to
>pursue reading further.
>Is this newsgroup really to discuss tamil, tamil culture etc.,?
>I see a lot of brahmin bashing by a lot of netters including one Mr. Vishnu?
>In fact I don't see anything else other than brahmin bashing from this fellow.
>You guys should have named this news group soc.brahmin.bashing.

It is true that Mr. Vishnu writes so many articles with the theme of bashing
brahmanism and brahmins. But that's it. How many others do the same ? May be
one or two ? And how many post to the newsgroup ? So how do you conclude
that soc.culture.tamil is only for brahmin bashing. And I strongly resent your
"You guys" comment[remember Ross Perot ?] -- Just kidding.

>
>Even if our forefathers have done something wrong is it going to help
>anyone now to keep hitting the brahmins now?
>
>We do a lot for tamil in the bay area to promote tamil.  We have started a
>Tamil radio station and we arrange for cultural programs to collect money
>to create a tamil chair at the University of California, Berkeley.  
>There is going to be one big cultural program by the end of this year
>performed by tamils and other language people to collect money for
>the Berkeley Tamil chair.

That's commendable.

>We are doing a lot in a united way for a common cause but, here in 
>soc.culture.tamil and alt.culture.tamil I only see people trying to
>alienate other people.  What a pity?

True. But dont' jump into the band wagon of hate mongers.

>                  K. Muralidharan
>                  1235 Wildwood Avenue #84
>                  Sunnyvale, CA 94089


Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:1928 soc.culture.indian:30306
From: IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T.C.A.Venkatesan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:13:13 GMT
 <92246.095106IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <1992Sep3.220304.6936@wuecl.wustl.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Sep3.220304.6936@wuecl.wustl.edu>, sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara
Pandian) says:
>      As I pointed out in one of my earlier articles, aswamedha yaga
> ( horse sacrifice ) is reported twice in Valmiki Ramayana, one by
> Dasaradha and the other by Rama. ..................  Do you think
> that horses were sacrificed for feeding people ?
>

      Please - There seems to be a misunderstanding with what I said
first. I am not supporting the sacrifice of animals in temples. I was
only objecting to terms such as 'killing innocent animals', 'inhuman'
etc., as long as the meat is being eaten.

      And, yes, it is indeed wrong to kill horses etc. if the meat is
thrown away. See my first article!

>        Meat-eating is not irrational. Not all are vegetarians.
>  But, it is irrational to seek favours from `god' [ if there is one ]
> by killing animals in a yajna. .............
>

     You are opening a hornets nest here. It's not so 'rational' to eat
meat. As you yourself point out later in your article, it is difficult
to say what's 'right' and what's not. So, what you think is rational is not
so for another. For example, I do not belive in God; but I don't think I
can declare that all theists are irrational. This is not a very good
illustration to compare with animal sacrifices. But I am hoping it explains
things a little.


    I definitely agree that stuff like molten lead poured in ears etc.
are completely absurd and have to be disregarded.


>> From what
>>I have seen, the vedas and in fact hinduism, have lot of contradictory
>>messages.
>
>    What contradictions you found ? Like to share them with us ?
>

   I am sorry - I do not keep notes of what I read. I have found
such stuff in the past and if I come across any later I'll post it
or email you. Meanwhile, I am sure if you sit down and read some
you'll find them.

   I did not blame anyone for saying that the Vedas should be ignored.
But I have noted such tendencies in some articles. I don't think that
the vedas should be added to the banned books list. It should be read
at least to get a glimpse into how people thought, so long ago. (looks
like some of those thinking processes have'nt changed much :-) )

   Honestly, how many people do you think read the vedas and fashion their
lives accordingly - even, amongst the brahmins?

Cheers
Venky
From: partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kerala, eezham and Tamils, Was: Kerala -Excerpted Notes--Icarus.
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:52:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42360
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

In article <kat.715534238@sarek> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <Bu08yL.4E7@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug29.001036.21574@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>>>   excerpted from a book: Marriage and Family in Kerala. [Puthenkulam 
>>>   Joseph, 1977]
>>>
>>>For centuries Kerala enjoyed an isolation guaranteed by nature. Situated in
>
>>K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
>
>
>keraLaa and ceylon. This epic is a very good refernce 
>    There is truth about noninvasion of chera naadu. Also, greater
>tamizh naadu upto vEngkadam-tirupathi escaped the mughal invasions.
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>The kings ruling these areas were strong.[ There is mention of
>senkuttuvan defeating the aryas with the help of king
>of magaadha on the banks of ganges.] Srirangam in tiruchi was
>almost destroyed by the mughal invaders, I heard. But the mughals
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>were weakened a lot by the time they came down south. Hyder Ali
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
>of hyderaabad-andhra planned to invade TN. He was defeated by
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the british army-madras regiment(first army unit started by
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>english consisting of Indians). This will go in history as blessing in a sense 
>that our southern temples were saved. But the british hegemony started
>thereafter.
>
>regards,
>
>Kathiravan
> 

A few corrections are needed here. By the time the Mughals came (16th century
AD), Senkuttuvan and Ilango were no more, having lived a few centuries
earlier. I guess you are referring to the invasion of Malik Kafoor, the
eunach lieutinant of emperor Allauddin Khilji. His force was not weakned
at all. He left a devastating effect on almost all over the southern
region, even upto Madurai where a Muslim kingdom was established. If you
go to big temples in TN, you will find tunnels which were built to
smuggle away the deity and jewels to safer places during that time.

Hyder Ali ruled from Mysore and not Hyderabad. Hyderabad was established
by one Quli who was a Mughal general in the Deccan area. As the Mughal
empire collapsed, Hyderabad became a soveriegn state and remained
so until the middle of this century.

Southern temples are now dying out of ignorance and Kazhagams. There was
on RM Veerappan in the AIADMK ministry, who is rumored to have swindled
lots of ancient jewels and money from a number of temples in TN. It is
absolutley disgusting to see people having absolutely no discipline or
courtesy in our temples. It reminds me of flocks of cattle on a migration.
People habe no appreciation for the beauty and the countless sculptures in 
so many temples! 

Partha sarathy
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: What is Literature?
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


	There was so much talked about 'literature' in SCT. If anyone came
	across a better and more precise definition of 'literature' than
	the following, please post.

	"vaazhkkai, vaazhvu enRu iraNdu padhangaL uNdu. indha iraNdukkum
	uLLa cambandhaththaiyO alladhu cambandhaminmaiyaiyO colvadhu thaan
	ilakkyam"

	                             - Pudhumaippiththan

	Note: vaazhkkai   - thanimanidha vaazhkkai 
	      vaazhvu     - ulaga vaazhvu

	ie., the interaction between the individual life and world.

	BTW, how much of our 'literature' discussion falls under this 
	definition?.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
sundar@esv1.hsis.uci.edu
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: ...... QWERTY keyboard designed by a tamilian ... ?
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:19:13 GMT

In <1992Sep4.020918.4642@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> achanta@oats.ecn.purdue.edu (Achanta ) writes:

>In article <1992Sep3.230459.28314@cs.wayne.edu> uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.220304.6936@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>> ( horse sacrifice ) is reported twice in Valmiki Ramayana, one by
>>> Dasaradha and the other by Rama. Graphic details are given in the
>>> same epic. Bhagavatham reports Prthu magaraja performing an aswamedha
>>					^^^
>>
>>I wonder if the standard keyboard that everyone uses (called the 
>>QWERTY keyboard) was designed by tamilians -- because the G and H
>>are next to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
>>
>>To the members of SCT ---- ;-);-);-);-);-);-);-);-)

>Our Seetam.... seems to have a problem with Tamilians. He never misses a chance
>to take-off on them. Can anyone enlighten me on the source of the problem ?
>Srini


   Intolerance, lack of knowledge and perspective, sinking
deep in the well of dogmatic hatred caused by inferiority
complex etc.

Kathiravan

.
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A threat from ...
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:13:10 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <ck.714834287@rosemary>, ck@rosemary.reading.ac.uk (Chandrasekhar Kambhampati) writes...
> 
> 
>The spokesperson for the tigers, the arch-propagandist, anti-everything,
>the terrorist, 
> 
>mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
> 
>Regards
>chandrasekhar 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Deport all terrorists and their SYmpathisers and funders back to where
>they came from - we have had enough!
>They will now cry for a Canadian Elam, a German Elam, an Elam in India
>given half a chance - the likes of Mr M. [terrorist] Vishnu are
>preparing the grounds for it........
>Deport these guys back to Sri-lanka before it is too late!
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

This is a good-one.

I thought about Canadian Elam only. Thanks chandrasekhar for remainding me
about other 'Elam's.

RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sundar@cis.ohio-state.edu (N Sundar)
Subject: nAnghAm tamizh; Comp. Science
Originator: sundar@golf.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:05:17 GMT



	Algorithm				padimuRai
			(step-by-step method)
	program					neeLpadimuRai
			(detailed algorithm)
	Computer				padimuRaikkaruvi
			(algorithmic device. a more accurate term)

	input					uLLAkkam
	output					veLiAkkam

	data					vivaram
	data structure				vivara amaippu
	information				vivarap poruL
			( content of data.ceithi is not quite appropriate here)
	design					uruva amaippu (design process)
						uruvagam  (structure)


Note: Somebody had suggested the word kaNNani or something like that for
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Newsgroup vs. e-mail
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:41:35 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

In my opinion, (and that of most others),

a newsgroup is for discussing topics, subjects.
an e-mail is for personal messages, both complimentary and un complimentary.

So I request people not to post personal messages (unless it bounces etc.)
I am sure all those who wanted this group to be formed will respect that.
Others, who were against this group will try to degrade this group.

Please do not fall into the trap.

K. Srinivasan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: nasokan@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Asokan)
Subject: Re: R.Thiagarajan Vs Niroshan Perera
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:53:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.174910.14328@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
[...]
>You accused Tamils for the email you received.
>It is Niroshan Perera, Mr.Thyagarajan.
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What are you going to do?
[...]

To be fair, I bring your attention to a later posting by
Karl Reuss, a sysadmin for wam.umd.edu, where he says:

1. Yes the posting was faked from wam.umd.edu
2. He had done a thorough analysis and is convinced that niro@wam.umd.edu
   account was broken into and the intruder was responsible for
   the faked posting.

Regards,

- Asokan
From: ravi@math.ksu.edu (Kuppusamy Ravindran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Literary Awards in Tamil (was Re: What is Literature)
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:03:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: hilbert.17tfscINNbt3
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu

sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:


>	The only 'Gyanpith Award' winner in Tamil was the 'idealist' writer
>	Akilan for his 'multi-cornered' love story 'chiththirappaavai'.
>	(This was made into a TV serial and the cassettes are available in US).
>	This was disputed by many Tamil critics. If 'chiththirappaavai'
>	deserves the highest literary honor of India, there were more than 
>	100 better novels written in Tamil by then.

        As a foot note, he also got the Sahitya Academy award for his
        `historical novel': Vengaiyin Mindan.

        Ravi

>	
>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>sundar@esv1.hsis.uci.edu
-- 
Kuppusamy Ravindran                                  ravi@hilbert.math.ksu.edu
Department of Mathematics                            ravi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu  
Kansas State University                              ravi@ksuvm.ksu.edu 
Manhattan, KS 66506                                  (913) 532-6750
From: sundar@golf.cis.ohio-state.edu (N Sundar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Which kuRal is right?
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:14:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science


I have a question about a kuRaL. Sometime ago, I read in this newsgroup:

	epporuL ethhthanmaiththu Ayinum apporuL
	meipporuL kAnbadhu aRivu.

However, I remember this as:
	epporuL yAr yAr vAi kaetpinum apporuL	
	meipporuL kAnbadhu aRivu.

Which is right? I don't think the difference is trivial. The second version
places stress on acquiring information through conversation/dailogue 
rather than from books, etc. It, IMHO, goes well with the kuRaL:

	celvaththuL  celvam cevich chelvam achchelvam
	celvathuL ellAm thalai.

I'd appreciate an answer by email. corkuRRam iruppin mannikkavum.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
N. S. Sundar          |    I am ardently against all awkward, affected
GTA, CIS, OSU         |    and artificial alliteration.
Off. ph: 292-4029     |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: elee6eg@rosie.uh.edu (S.SANJAY GOPAL)
Subject: visa lottery
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  us visa, lottery, greencard
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:42:00 GMT

	vannakkam anbargale,
		does anyone have some information about the
	so called visa lottery. unmaiyagave ethavathu lottery
	unda? 
	nanri
	gopal
From: nas_ng@jsc.nasa.gov. (Naga Ganesan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tiruppati - Azhvaar Paasuram
Date: 28 Aug 1992 15:25:39 GMT
Reply-To: nas_ng@jsc.nasa.gov.
Organization: G.E. Government Services





                  -------------------------------
                   Tiruppati - AzhvAr pAcuram
                  -----------------------------


       peruku matavEzham mAppiTikku munninRu
       irukaNiLa mUngkil vAngki - angkirunta
       tEnkalantu nITTum tiruvEngka TamkaNTiir
       vAnkalanta vaNNan varai


Continuing on the discussions about Tiruppati, here is an exquisite 
and ancient poem on the place and its surroundings. It tells
a love story. A young elephant whose temples are overflowing 
with `musth', takes young shoots from a dense bamboo grove 
and dips them into a honey-comb in a nearby tree. Standing before 
a girl-elephant, he makes the honey-soaked gift hoping to 
befriend her.

If anyone has 'nAlAyirat tivviyap pirapantam', please let me know
who the AzlvAr is ? He is emphatic that Tiruppati belongs to Vishnu.

N. Ganesan
nas_ng@gese03.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Subject: Re: KaaLamEgam's silEdai ( was Re: SILADI )
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:31:12 GMT

In article <9209010413.AA25808@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>R.Parthasarathy ( partha@mse.ogi.edu ) writes :


>
>  kaththu_kadal choozh naagaich chaththiraththil
>  aththamikkum pOdhil arisi_varum kuththi
>  ulaiyilida oor adangum oru_pidi aNNam
>  ilaiyilida veLLi ezhum 
>


Let me try to give a meaning of my own. Let us imagine a group
of travellers, lot of them, having travelled  the whole day,
are coming to the nAgai chaththiram. Note that it is a chathiram,
i.e. it serves mainly travellers. starved and exhausted, they are
about to faint. When their lids are about to close, (aththamikkum 
podhu) rice is brought into the chathiram. 

When the rice boils in the kitchen, hearing the sound, the travellers,
(oor used for travellers here, so that an emphasis is made on
the number of travellers) in the main hall, hold their breath
expectantly ( adangum). (Thus making no noise at all). 

Now, the moment a lump of rice is served, ( Here again, note the number of
waiters. There is oru pidi annam on everyone's plate. So,
conclude that the guests have a waiter each.) oh, the smile on the
travellers faces envies the brightness of the morning star.
( velli is used as a symbolic reference to the smile).

Bye,
Babu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: Re: Si-Lay-Dai (Note: NOT See-Dai)
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:20:58 GMT


	my favourit metaphors

	nadavai avizhthu, pavadai-yai thiranthu paar, ...
	or something to that effect.
		DMK 's karunanidhi in the state assembly, answering a query by a congress I M.L.A. (a female).

	Mang-kanigal   thottilile thuunguthadi ange
	mannavin pasi ahreh, maalaiyilae parimara...
		song from a tamil film.

	padukaiyil paambu neliyuthu...
	thalaianai noolu kizhiyuthu..
		song from a tamil film 


though, they mean things different, I think they are pretty cool.
From: kumanan@ug.cs.dal.ca (poovai  kumanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A threat from...
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:32:30 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Originator: root@ug.cs.dal.ca


Mr. Vishnu has not posted anything on SCT to indicate that he is
a terrorist. If you cannot present a meaningful debate, then refrain
from calling names and posting tasteless articles such as the one
chandrasekhar posted.
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:31:30 GMT

In article <Btwxtv.Byt@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
>A recent news report in Deccan Herald says, "The traditional annual
>goat sacrifice was performed in Sri Rangam. Hundreds of goats were
>killed and the blood dripped on the Rajagopuram."
>
>2. The temple, in its desperation to find funds, permit any ritual, which
>gets money. The 'prasadham' of the 'yaagam' must have fetched very high
>prices at the Tiruchchi meat market.

details of theertHam needed.  Clearly, for once the theertHam reached
the devotees without the necessity of the purohit's distribution.



Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil