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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: A (long!) reply ( was Re: Fork in the Road)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:25:11 GMT

In article <BvzBno.6Gr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
(Elizabeth Kupfer) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>No.  I don't recall reading any finger-able accounts.  I had fingered
>>you at another account at uiuc, but the message bounced back with
>>"host unreachable".  I had given up until, one day, I see a lone post
>>with a non-fictitious name on it; it emanated from another uiuc
>>account (i.e. mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu) which I had not fingered.
>   Oh?? So i'll assume you don't know how to reconstruct e-mail addresses
> from the information i gave you, then.  Funny, but a fellow in Texas could
> do it....

I don't understand the last statement.

What is the relevance of Texas?

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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Memes (was Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux)
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:58:23 GMT

In article <Bvz5tJ.47t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Saint Joan of Arc) writes:
>dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
>
>>Please forgive my regrettable lack of an adequate liberal arts education, but 
>>what the hell is "meme theory"?

>   You read a tad testy,here.  Meme theory is a fringe-idea that is often
>seen in magazines like "Omni", and not likely to be found in the curricula of
>the humanities (or for that matter, an engineering class) any time soon. It 
>treats ideas like they were discrete objects...sorta like viruses.  In the
>interest of shortening this long post, i'll defer further explaination to
>e-mail (if you care to hear it, write me).

There's a good introduction in the last chapter of the 1982 edition
(second edition) of _The Selfish Gene_ by Dawkins.  He makes memes out
to be the next stage in evolution.

-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:35:21 GMT

In article <Bvz5tJ.47t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
(Elizabeth Kupfer) writes:
>... If you don't have
>a *culturally* accepted reason for doing so.  Perhaps our resident Nihon-phile
>Gai-jin would like to elaborate on this and how matters stand in present day
>Japan (my own knowledge is largely limited to historical matters).

Elizabeth-chan, nihongo ga hanaseru n desu ka.

I'm not sure about whom 'Liz is referencing with her Nihon-phile remark.
By the way, "Gai-jin" is a rude form of the polite word "Gaikokujin".
"Gai-jin" means, literally, "The Outsider".

In any event, I will elaborate a little about the Japanese mentality.  In
today's Japan, most people are atheists.  Their attendance at Buddhist and
Shinto related events is only done for reasons of tradition and appearance.
(Religiously, Japan has changed a lot since the days of emperor worship.)

But there is one thing in which many Japanese seem to believe.  It is
the idea of "shooganai"; it is the recognition and acceptance that many
things in life cannot be changed and must be accepted.

I agree with this observation of life.

One should also note that the rate of alcohol consumption and suicide
in Japan is much higher than in the USA.  Is there a connection between
these activities and the philosophy of "shooganai"?

Elizabeth-chan, o genki.  Watakushi to hanasu no ga suki desu ka.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 23:19:52 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Columbus Day: Start? Winter Depression Season
 <9228810.20170@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>

In article <9228810.20170@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, guild@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke_Thomas
WILLIAMS) says:

>        What about us poor bastards in the southern hemisphere - constantly
>out
>of sync with all the rest of you - surely I'm not the only one who's
>just leaving winter with the prospect of a long,glorious summer ahead

I'd say you misspoke!  I'd say you are *lucky* bastards.

Say--How *was* winter?  Were you depressed?  What do we have to look
forward to?   As the earth tips. . . .

>                HA!!!!

Unfair!  ;))))

Brady

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=Brady Woodward ~=~ U56503@UICVM=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:39:50 GMT

Indeed!  Not so long ago i was diagnosed as clinically depressed, and for
awhile there the councelor kept suggesting that maybe i ought to accept
"hospitalization" for the condition for awhile.  Seeing as i was doing a
reasonable job of taking care of myself physically (not anorexic or anything
similar) i suppose the suggestion was prompted by my admitting suicide was
looking pretty good.  I declined the offer.  I suppose the matter was not
forced as i had no record of previous attempts, though i did compromise with
them by having an acquaintence keep custody of my hunting knife for several
weeks.  Oh, and by the by, did you know that clinically depressed folk who
suicide are more likely to off themselves by 'violent' means than other
methods?  That's what the councelor said. 'Course, aside from poisoning and
plastic bags tied over the head, it seems to me they're all violent (anything
i'm overlooking?  There's hanging,shooting, slashing in various forms, and
arranging to be smashed by massive objects, whether by falling on them from
high distances or jumping into their path (e.g. freight trains).  Oh, i
suppose we could exempt drowning and death by exposure from the violent
cata-gory.  Anything i'm missing?
 
euclid
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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:16:08 GMT

In article <92280.163927TXN102@psuvm.psu.edu>, Phaedrus <TXN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>well, here's a thought.  what is more precious than life?  nothing,
>right?  to hold it entirely in one's hands must be the most satisfying
>thing in the world.  it seems to be that suicide is one of the highest
>achievements one could aspire to, and perhaps this is what connibear
>felt, as well.  his plans set, of course he was in a good mood!
>
>gist:  why must suicide be the bottom of everything?  why not the top?

I have to disagree with you here.

Suicide is not all that difficult.  If it was really the top, everybody
would do it.  In some situations, it is better to escape from life.  I live
my life so as to maximize my desire to stay in it.  If I want to kill
myself, I have failed.  Conibear may have been happy about his impending
escape, but I don't envy him.  He just took the easy way out, which (I hope)
was better for him than to continue.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: A (long!) reply ( was Re: Fork in the Road)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:10:05 GMT

In article <BvzBno.6Gr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
(Saint Joan of Arc) writes:
>  I knew how a long time ago.  What i tried to point out to you by e-mail,
>without the theatrics, is that i could have given you a "real" sounding
>name, and you would have been none the wiser.

I'm a cynic, but I assume that someone is telling the truth unless she
indicates otherwise.

>...
>WHICH IS WHY I TOLD YOU TO LOOK ON THE MRCNEXT ACCOUNT!!!

I don't know what's gotten into you, but your USENET personality seems
to have changed after that post with the huge smiley face by you.
You seem to be a lot more emotional now and maybe a lot of fun to meet.

>...
>Now, notice how this thread has little to do with A.S.H. per se now?
>I've kept my promise; i've not e-mailed you.

I don't really care whether you use a fake name to post to a.s.h.
However, it's my policy that if you chat with me by e-mail, you must
(on your honor) use your real name.  Many people feel this way.

Also, if you have so little conviction in what you say that you
must use a fake name to post it, then why should anyone spare the
time to read what you write?

> You've kept what amounts to
>a vow: to not talk with me until you knew my "real" name.  Should you
>deign to follow this up, for the sake of our fellow a.s.h.-ers i suggest
>e-mail (unless you folks would like to hear this?  Folks? What say?).
>Bear in mind, Underdog, that you do not have definitive proof that
>"Elizabeth Kupfer" is printed on my officialdom I.D. card.  And i'm in no
>hurry to confirm it, either.

I'm sure that Elizabeth Kupfer is the real name.  Just do a 
"finger kupfer@uiuc.edu".

Actually, the full name is Elizabeth C. Kupfer.  So, how's it going?

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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:43:58 GMT

In article <16879B225.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.064806.21224@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
>>Why is it that I never meet ladies--in real life outside of this newsgroup--
>>that are as open minded and intelligent as the ladies on this newsgroup?
>    Mebbe you scare them away.

>  But seriously, think about it.  Sue is in Colorado, Psycho Kitten is on the
>East Coast, Our Lady of the Ruby Claw is in Hawaii...the list goes on...and
>*you* are at Stanford.

Try the alt.sex.bondage BurgerMunch every week in Palo Alto. They are
*very* open minded and intelligent... :-)

Email me for directions...


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: incarceration
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:28:49 GMT
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

>
>-/\/\/\/-
In article <10641@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Bunweasel) writes:
>> The surgeon found
>>two other bullets in the frontal lobe if his brain where he'd tried
>>and failed previously. So just remember, don't put the gun near the
>>front of your head, it doesn't work!
>
>I read about some guys in London in the 60s who decided that it was
>a hassle having to keep dropping acid and got into trepanning
>as a way of living in a permanently trippy state of mind. They would
>cut a big hole in the front of the skull (with an electric drill) to
>expose the brain and having removed the disk of bone just let it heal
>over. They claim it worked very nicely, and they went on to live active
>lives in a pleasantly relaxed (but not lobotomised) variation on reality.
>I could probably dredge up the reference if anyone's interested.
Thatz nice but itz not what acvid does.  it might do something else though.
  Acid is a serotonin inhibitor.  Serotonon is stuff that keeps your neorons 
from connecting in all but selected circumstances--a sort of reality filter
maybe.  when it is inhibited, your mind makes all sorts of neural connections
which it usually does not.  Perhaps it makes your brain simply 
receive its reality unfiltered, which is a bit much--or perhaps
what you are getting just random connections which screw up any idea
of what reality might be.  I thgink it is interesting that the new
generation of anti-depressants--ie Prozac et al--
are mostly serotonin reuptake inhibitors.  this means that they think
depressed people are either not profducing enough serotonin to properly
filter their reality/make sense of the world or their system is soaking it 
back up before it can be used.  Either way, jit keeps more of whatever 
amount of serotonin a person produces in her/his system to do that 
filter thang so we can all construct nice safe realities which make sense.
	by the w.  a recent study on depressed people in death camps in 
hernia-muscovites has found that sitting cross legged with a plugged in 
lava lamp on top of one's had while 
outside naked during winter while its raining temporarily
relieves depression.  only for the spectators, though, not the sitter.
quick, somebody get me something to stop this bounty towel in my brain f
rom
connecting randomly
eek its unfiltered reality--im drowning ive fallen and i cant get up p s
df
 money p
--rich, the absolute relativist
Ob suicide: is homocide simply a sick twisted externalizarion of the perfectly
natural tendency toward suicide? is homocide suicide done to someone else? or 
is suicide homicide on one's self? or for the serotonin deprived,
all of the above at once while simultaneously having nothing to do with
either at the same time as being an absolutely true lie.  If I told you I 
always lied, would you believe me?
From: paladin@parker.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Names and identities
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:09:18 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: parker.wpi.edu

In article <1basssINN11u@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.011005.18204@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>I don't really care whether you use a fake name to post to a.s.h.
>>However, it's my policy that if you chat with me by e-mail, you must
>>(on your honor) use your real name.  Many people feel this way.
>
>On my honor I would use megazone. I post with it, mail with it, sign my works 
>with it, my friends all use it, my employees, and some of my Profs.Some of the
>campus cops call me megazone. I'll be giving campus tours tommorrow morning,
>guess how I'll introduce myself. 

	[Bunch o stuff on the name megazone deleted]

	i'd just like to add my bit to the conversation here...

   a name is like a suit of clothes... you wear different ones for different
 occasions... basically any name that you will answer to in a conversation is
 a real name... i have at least 5 that i will answer too... there have at times
 been more and less that i have answered too...

	at homehome (my parent's house) i answer to my middle name... at with
 my profs and a lot of friends i answer to my first name... i also answer to 
 two different nicknames (one of which is my login id) when speaking with my 
 friends... at home some of my friends switch between two or more of these 
 names... this does cause confusion with one friend (so she calls me two or 
 three at once)...  8)

	these are all names that i wear.. they are well broken in and i feel
  comfortable with them... 

	each one is my name... for the simple reason that they all mean me...

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)

human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......
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From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Old fogeys
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:03:53 GMT

In article <1atco8INN7pr@bigboote.WPI.EDU> xine@wpi.WPI.EDU (a poor excuse for a red m+m) writes:
>	"Suicide in Borderline and Other Adolescents." Michael Stone, 
>	University of Chicago, 1989.  
>	BPD (this is in laymen's terms, of course) makes someone unhappy, 
>	and they are only content when sharing (read: pushing off on) 
>	their misery with someone else.

   Thanks for the reference and the definition.  Hmm, I wonder if this 
means that those in here who are insisting that cynicism = realism
are 50 times more likely.


-- 
Dave                          | Truth is the most valuable thing we have.
alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com | Let us economize it. - Mark Twain
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From: jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (I like redheads.)
Subject: stress....
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:07:03 GMT

I am really stressing out.  You know, lab due, big calculus test, my car 
engine blown up, my SO's car reclaimed by her parents, along with her bank
account (so she can't take the bus to see me), both of our phone bills are
over the limit and cut off, etc. etc.                      

I just went outside and screamed at the top of my lungs.  I felt stupid,
even though almost no one could see me, but I feel much better now.
And the looks I got when I came back in the building... 

So I suggest, from personal and recent expierence, go outside and scream
when stressing out.

Any other suggestions?
 
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From: G.I.West@bradford.ac.uk (Graham West)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:33:52 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91670332@ccw124
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

ccw124-> finger -l conibear@sol.carleton.ca.
[sol.math.carleton.ca] 
Login name: dqc                         In real life: David Q. Conibear
Directory: /files/home/local/dconibear  Shell: /usr/bin/csh
Last login Tue Mar 24, 1992 on ttyp0 from starmaster
Unread mail since Wed Sep 30 10:52:34 1992
No Plan.

Login name: conibear                    In real life: Dave Conibear
Directory: /home/conibear               Shell: /usr/local/bin/tcsh
Last login Thu Oct  8 09:49 on ttyp0 from starmaster.carle
Mail last read Thu Oct  8 11:24:21 1992
Plan:
Thought for the day:  If I were you... who would you be?
ccw124-> 

Says quite a lot really, doesn't it...

		Graham

-- 
Graham West, University Of Bradford, UK   ....   g.i.west@bradford.ac.uk
"Red, crimson red, am I the invisible boy?" W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Here we go...
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:49:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.101601.21269@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
 
>
>In article <16879B225.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Elizabeth Kupfer) writes:
    *******Congratulations, Underdog.  You finally found it.  What took you
            so bloody long!!!???*******
 
 (no, wait. don't tell me...i think i know.  You realize it was deliberate on
  my part?)                      0000000          0000000
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>>THREE POUNDS OF FLAX!  KWAATCH!!
>
>What does "FLAX" and "KWAATCH" mean?
   It's a Zen sort of thing.  Literally, flax is a plant fiber used to make
linen (don't believe me? Then look it up in a dictionary).  As to the latter
word, it's something one of the masters used to mutter/shout.
 
Tschuess, now, Underdog.
 
You made my day. Thanky, mister.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (I like redheads.)
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:52:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.202516.19187@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>
> (stuff deleted)
>	
>				Psycho Kitten
>				stuck at the University of Dela-Where...
>				where there are no intelligent people that
>				I can converse with...
>				(why does everyone on the net have to live
>				so far away???)
>
>
Because if they were close, 
life might just improve,
and you would not have so much to post about...

-- 
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  "When I'm bad, I sit in a tree,            
   and spit on people who walk under me."       
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From: jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:24:10 GMT
Organization: Russel Street UN*X and Caffeine

euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Saint Joan of Arc) writes:
>dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
>>Please forgive my regrettable lack of an adequate liberal arts education, but 
>>what the hell is "meme theory"?
>   You read a tad testy,here.  Meme theory is a fringe-idea that is often
>seen in magazines like "Omni", and not likely to be found in the curricula of
>the humanities (or for that matter, an engineering class) any time soon. It 
>treats ideas like they were discrete objects...sorta like viruses.  
a - not as fringe as ya think
b - meme comes to us the same path as gene; memetics does not merely treat them
 as discrete objects, more like sets of interacting and _competing_ objects.
 contrasting with viruses is a very limited domain.

...just had to say it...
Obash: I'm catching up and will post more relevant stuff or eat this keyboard
      and die.

joe

-- 
Disclaimer: "I'm the only one foolish enough to claim these opinions as mine."
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    Russell Street UN*X Consultations and Development     (NIC handle: JZP)
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