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From: gdm7238@summa.tamu.edu (MCBRIDE, GARY DEAN)
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:07:00 GMT

In article <5OCT199222253637@summa.tamu.edu>, gdm7238@summa.tamu.edu (MCBRIDE, GARY DEAN) writes...
>In article <BvHwos.I12@casper.cs.uct.ac.za>, ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett) writes...

[deleted]
				
>Gary McBride

This second note was accidental...  I thought that the machine had eaten my
first post, but it seemed to post it even thought the terminal locked up.
*sigh*  Here's to repetition.

Gary McBride again...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5452@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Ephedra/ma-huang
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5452@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:19:25 GMT



My excellent book: "Drugs and the Brain" by Solomon H Snyder (a fellow tripper)
contains the following factoids about Ephedrine

Ephedrine was discovered by K. K. Chen, who was looking for a substitute for 
Adrenalin as an antiathsmatic (sp?).  Chen was curious about chinese herbal
medicine, in particular ma huang.  He and other Lilly chemists quickly isolated
ephedrine, and verified that it widened bronchial passages.  Since Adrenalin
couldn't be taken orally, and had a hell of a side-effect :-)  ephedrine
seemed vastly preferable.  The rarity of ma huang quickly sent chemists 
scrambling for a synthetic ephedrine, and sometime in the 30's, one of them
stumbled on Amphetamine.

Amphetamine was also a bronchiodilator, and could be inhaled directly, 
delivering the relief within seconds.  It was marketed under the name 
Benzedrine and quickly became a legal, over the counter, recreational drug.

..from a 1937 Journal of the American Medical Association
"Benzedrine Tablets were used at the department for Psychology at the 
University of Minnesota to study ... effects on human thought.  It was
found that the substance increased alertness...  Apparently, the effect
iveness of the drug in delaying the onset of sleep has induced many 
University of Minnesota students so seek the drug in local Pharmacies."

Anyhoo.  Ephedrine is structurally similar to the family of Amphetamines,
so it's concievable that it could serve as a precursor.  this is probably
reason enough for the Feds to clamp down on it....Stock up now.


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From: axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman)
Subject: Re: caffeine (concentrations)
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:10:38 GMT


I've frequently seen and heard stats such as those posted for the concentrations
of caffeine in various liquids, but some of it seems counterintuitive.
In particular, I usually drink "auto-drip" coffee and am very "aware" of the 
caffeine affects on my body.  Depending on what I've eaten recently, I can 
feel the envelope of the caffeine as it's effects "come-on" and then "taper-off
and after years of drinking the stuff, I feel like I recognize it's character.
Now, a few times/week, I will drink hot tea (normal varieties; Lipton, etc..) 
and the envelope of the caffeine effects "seem" different.  In particular, 
although the tea contains much less caffeine, the ultimate effect seems 
greater than with coffee, but for shorter duration.  I often literally get a
case of the "shakes" (teeth grinding, etc...) when I drink a cup of tea, 
but coffee rarely ever does this to me.

Are there valid reasons why this should occur, such as other ingredients 
in regular tea, or a difference in "how" the caffeine is made available to 
the human body?  Is it just me?

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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

I tried some this week and found it extremely bitter.  I understand that the
prefered method of drinking absinthe in France was to pour it over a sugar
cube.  Has anyone else found absinthe to be so bitter and know of a solution?

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.atheism,talk.politics.drugs
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: We'll all burn in hell!
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:17:25 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.125314.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, 
civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz said:

> ----------------From the Christchurch "Press" 10 Oct 1992 -----
>
> Hell still exists and its flames await those guilty of "grave
> sins" -- a term that now replaces the older "mortal sins"...
>
> "Grave sins" are many and varied, from "exploiting natural,
> mineral, and animal resources" to "influencing public opinions
> against moral values",            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow.  Sinead O'Connor was right on _Saturday Night Live_ after all...

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
From: Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: permanent acid tracers....explain
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:32:47 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

A FOAF has done acid about 40 times and now complains about seeing
'tracers' all the time.  It is more noticable when seeing a light object
moving against a dark background, or vice versa.
He really wants to know why this could be happening...Anyone know?

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From: ap.5810@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] SASAFRASS OIL REVEALED
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5810@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:10:23 GMT


True sasafrass oil is very hard to find.  Most of the time, the
safrole has been distilled out, and you get what's left.  This is
a fact- I spent a week trying to track some down last year.

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From: axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:42:16 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Oct14.025004.8993@news.eng.convex.com>, gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.003252.3952@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>>>You act as if these things weren't already going on, despite
>>>government attempts to curtail them.  One can only imagine how bad
>>>it would be if the practices mentioned were not currently 
>>>proscribed.  
>>This is the exact argument used by Drug Warriors:  Drug related
>>problems are so bad now, if they were legal who knows how bad they would get?
>	BZZZT.  Wrong answer.  But thank you for playing stump the Libertarian.
>	Nice try, but discrimination isn't a commodity and doesn't have a 
>	price structure that benefits from the contraband effect like drugs.
>	So it isn't exacerbated by prohibition.  Drug problems are bad 
>	BECAUSE of prohibition.  Discrimination, if anything is decreased
>	by its prohibition.  
>
>

Not that I believe my own drivel here, but it's important to point out that
if "reverse discrimination" is a natural outgrowth of "prohibiting discrimination", (as with the US model of discrimination prohibition) then
discrimination is NOT necessarily decreased by it's prohibition.
At the very least, it's not a cut-n-dried issue.  It seems as if the whole 
concept of prohibition is like sand paper to the human machine.  Tell me I 
can't do something for some reason, and you'll find lot's of people doing it
who might not of before.  Am I crazy, or does this seem true most times?

>						smg
>
>
>

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From: cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Think drinks: DMAE -- what is it and what are its effects?
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:25:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson) writes:

>Last night I attended a rave where they were selling "smart drinks"
>that contained DMAE.  Can someone tell me what this compound is?
>Chemical structure and physiological effects would be appreciated.

>Also, lately a club opened up in Salt Lake City called the Vortex --
>they sell "think drinks" that contain L-phenylalanine, acetylcholine
>and "guaranin"(sp? -- some kind of Amazonian plant extract).  Some of
>the drinks also contain some portion of caffeine; they really got me
>up and jumping on the dance floor, but I don't know wether to
>attribute the buzz to the caffeine or the other ingredients.

>The really interesting thing is that after I had been dancing for a
>while, I went and got a beer (the only one I'd had for several hours)
>and then went back on the dance floor.  The effects of alcohol had
>never been more prominent!  I was missing the beat and stumbling a bit
>to music I had just been in complete syncrhonization with about 20
>minutes earlier!!

>						    -- Rich
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>	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
>Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
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attribute the buzz to the caffeine. if smart drugs like DMAE work at all,
they do only after at least a few weeks of regular use. As far as smart drugs
and alcohol, i seem to remember hearing that smart drugs would clear your
head up and give you less of a dopey buzz from alcohol or pot. I'm not sure
where i heard that point, or if im remembering it correctly...so maybe I
oughta get some smart drugs.


-- 
Chuck Falzone
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From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Nobel Winner
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 02:11:17 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

Just thought I'd mention something heard on CBS's Good Morning America 
two days ago...

A University of Chicago professor was given the Nobel Prize in economics 
for applying economic moodels to social systems.

The talking head, after annoucing this, went on to say that same 
professor was studying the economics of the illegal drug market, and was 
promoting the legalisation of marijuana by the government as an effective 
economic strategy for the future, citing especially the reduction in 
prison and court costs if the plant were legalized. (She did seem to be 
suggesting that said professor believed the government should tax and 
control the drug.)

An interesting tidbit to hear on the morning news. Not a peep of it 
anywhere else, so far....

Later, Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Reply-To: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:28:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.040927.1615@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.212213.5062@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>In article <92277.205934IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> T. Peter Leone <IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>> Could you elaborate on the physiology of LSD please
>>
>Drink lots of O.J. while tripping and then light smokes in a dark room and
>trace figures in the mist... ok?

Playing with smokes in a drak room is cool, but there is something better
that we do.  Get some glow in the dark paint (water based) and paint 
yourself or things.  It is the best!
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:35:21 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>
>Ok - lets carry it a step further. What if these drugs were no longer
>illegal. What if there was honest information out there about the lack
>of effectiveness of drug testing? Do you think the companies would still
>use the tests?

     Probably yes, although not as frequently. Polygraph tests are
still used by some companies in states that permit them, in spite of
their inaccuracies.

>Blockbuster Video, and other such places is losing a fair amount of business
>by their testing policy. True, it is not hurting them much - not enough for
>them to really notice. However, that could change if attitudes about drugs
>and privacy change. Blockbuster is a "me too" organization. Because the tests
>are required for some government contractors, Blockbuster wants to pretend
>that they are just as important - so they impose testing also.

     Interesting hypothesis. I've also heard that the CEO of Blockbuster
is on the board of directors of the company that does the testing. And
they're one of the few companies that does hair tests. Coincidence? Ha!

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From: jones@tweety.cis.udel.edu (Mark Jones)
Subject: Re: Presidential debate Oct 24, 1992.
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:46:46 GMT

In article <1barstINNt5i@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert D West) writes:
About the relegalization question in the Sunday Sept 11 debate...
>
>But doesn't the fact that such a question could get asked at all
>in a nationally televised debate give the idea some credibility
>and indicate that, however strong the WOD is, our side is having
>some success?

Yes, I have to agree it's a good sign.    
I thought "YES! it's thinkable, speakable!"

I was embarrased for all three of them as the touted the national intolorance.

It would have been great if Andre was there to say:
"There is a word for his drug policy.  Its called Insanity"

-Mark (jones@udel.edu)

         Never let anyone persuade you to smoke even one marijuana cigarette.
         It is pure poison.  -- "Living Death", Bureau of Narcotics, 1965
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin (effects...)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:53:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Washington University

fineman@milton.u.washington.edu (Cheesy Hatin' it) writes:
>	observant of the Seattle psychedelic scene, it would
>	seem that Heroin is not widely available.
>There are psychedelics aplenty (MDA, MDMA, LSD, psylocibin (sp?), hash, MJ,
>				even coke & crack, crystal meth, etc...)
>	but heroin doesn't seem to be on the exchange.
>		I get the impression that it's not in the category
>		of "consciousness expanders" that many of the mentioned
>		substances fall into.  Any FOAF stories?  It's not mentioned
>		but once in a blue moon on alt.drugs.....

	That's because they don't let you post from prison.   WalaWala
inmates might be able to tell you more about it.  It's out there, 
especialy in Seattle there are thousands of people who use it, but
heroin is the most "socialy unacceptable" drug there is.  Not polite
to talk about in mixed company (junkies and non) apparently.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.1060@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Vit K
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.1060@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:41:44 GMT


	Hi! Just thought I'd impart my experience with said substance.
First, a prepared solution seems to be safe for im injection. We were
concerned about salinity and ph, but though they were not right, no
adverse effects were noticed. Second, we were told that subcutaneous
would have similar distribution as im but would be even safer. No
problems here either. Third, we kept the stuff frozen on solid CO2
but the one dose that sat out for 120 minutes was inactive. In other
words, the material seems to decompose over a matter of HOURS. Fourth,
we at first took only small doses so as to become familiar with the
administration and experience, and thereby limit the probability of
killing oneself. No deaths noticed, but, low doses of this substance
are pretty useless as a psychoactive tool. The experience was comparable
to dizziness/disorientation that lasts 45-90 min. Unfortunately, the 
larger doses were the doses that were left out so died. 
	Sooooo, low doses are obnoxious more than useful, so I recommend
not even going through the effort unless you are prepared to partake of
a full dosage. But I guess I'd say that about many substances.
	While I'm on that subject, let me comment for followups, my
observation that many naturally derived substances have only minor effects
so I do not favor them as much as the more potent comercially occuring
variations. But then I realize, Hey, if I tried to extract LSD, I'd 
probably be pretty disappointed in the results, too. So now I try to be
a little more open-minded and forgiving when snarfing a mug of bile-tasting
bark, root, or grub extract makes me more queezy than enlightened.

Clinton/Gore 92! 
Impeach Clinton/Gore 93!

				-deadwolfkeiner

			no-longer-at UIUC

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From: ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Keywords: heroin china white gummy bears?
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:11:49 GMT

Sure, I've had some small experience with heroin. My best friend
gave me some for my 25th birthday. My experience was that snorting
it was somewhat similar to cocaine, only I didn't want to get up
and run around...just sit back and enjoy. The high lasted a couple 
of hours and I never experienced the nausia commonly associated
with first (few time) use.

I can see how it could become quite addictive over a period of use.
However, anyone who has any brains and recognizes this is quite
unlikely (IMHO) to become addicted.  I mean, it's not THAT good...
meaning, they'll stop way before this could happen.

Of course, anyone who sticks a needle in their arm is a major fool.
The nose, at least, is somewhat of a filter.  Going directly to a vein
could be fatal pretty easily. My friend warned me as follows before
he let me try it:

"Don't ever inject anything or let anyone inject you." (Unfortunately,
he didn't follow his own advice and had quite a habit in the next few
years.)

"Don't sniff heroin first if it's your first experience with a new
batch. Get the other guy to do it first, and know something about
his level of use. There is such a thing as tolerance. The reason is
that even if you are familiar with sniffing coke, there is no comparison
in line length to strength and you could OD on a relatively small line."

Eventually, my friend kicked his habit. In later years he traveled to India
where he died from unknown causes.

I hope this has been some small help.  And, I would not recommend anyone doing
it these days. I have heard that there are quite a number of impurites in
the street drug these days.

Jonathan
 
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Street Pharmacologist
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:56:53 GMT

marsthom@qed.cts.com (Mark Thompson) writes:
> 
>                SP Lab Results     Summer 1988
>ALLEGED CONTENT ACTUAL CONTENT    DESCRIPTION        ORIGIN
>--------------- ----------------- ------------------ ------------------
>methaqualone    methaqualone      white powder       North Virginia
>methaqualone    diazepam          white tablet       Monmouth, NJ
>Quaalude        methaqualone      white powder       North Virginia
>cocaine/heroin  napthalenol       white powder       Hialeah, FL
>marijuana w/PCP marijuana         plant material     unknown
>LSD             LSD               paper square       North Bay, CA
>MDMA            MDMA, MDA         white powder       San Francisco, CA
>PCP             LSD               white powder       New York, NY
>unknown         no drugs detected white powder       Gainesville, FL
>unknown         acetaminophen     blue tablet        North Bay, CA
>unknown         steroid           blue tablet        Pilot Mount, NC
		 ^^^^^^^

	This answer is useless.  It could be anything with such a vauge 
answer, from an anti-inflamatory like prednisone to something used to
treat stuffy noses.
	Is this all they tell you?   Not only should they say specificly
what the active ingredients are, they should give amounts.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Marijuana Myths (repost)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:09:43 GMT

j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.013018.13346@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
>mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) wrote:
>> 3. Marijuana is a "gateway" drug -- it leads to hard drugs
>> 
>> 	This is one of the more persistent myths.  

>This is a myth only where Ganja is decriminalized. As long as pot is
>illegal, it is most definitely a gate-way drug because it introduces
>one to the illegal underground. 

Your point being...?

If you say that mj is a gateway drug by reason of its legal status, rather
than its physiological effect, does it not follow that the way to stop mj
being a gateway drug is to legalise it?

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bigstar@hardy.u.washington.edu (J Paschel)
Subject: Re: Recently.. (bong hits)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:31:03 GMT

mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:

>The bong uses ice sprinkled with salt - which we call dry-ice... sorry about
>this error on my part.  "real" dry ice would cool the smoke a little TOO much
>for most anyone.  Ill post the plan for the bong (it is crude, but might help)
>if anyone is interested.  just post so.

YES !!! Please post your plans !!!
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