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From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Confusing gender names
Organization: -
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:08:56 GMT
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Flaming Alok, sensitive readers might want to skip this.
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alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

  >In article <1992Oct14.163941.23307@nas.nasa.gov>, 
  >raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
  
[...]
  
  >> You are off to your usual generalizations again.  Sujatha (that is
  >
  >You didn't have to be so impolite. You yourself wrote warning me that Sujata
  >(okay Sujatha) was a Tamil Sci_fi writer's name and this person was
  >a man. You could have simply provided the explanation which you given
  >later in this post. 

I *knew* you would jump into conclusions (All Sujata/Sujathas are female)
That's why I wrote the warning. Then you come up with the beauty that
'All Sujathas in Tamilnadu are male'. All I did was pointing out to
the fallacy in that statement. I don't think I was impolite. (Not that
I care if I am polite or impolite towards you; now I am being deliberately
impolite.)

  >> ----
  >> SCIA inside joke: 
  >> 
  >> You have left out Trina/Speedy Gonzalez. :-)
  >
  >Once again it is Speedy Gonzalez that confused me not Trina.
  >Speedy Gonzalez would most likely be a man's name, although
  >someone pointed out that it was a cartoon character. 
  >
  >Not withstanding the smiley's here,
  >I don't think I appreciate the rudeness here.

Alok,

Your tunnel vision is showing up. Again I don't think I was rude,
it is your imagination. But if Trina feels I was rude in mentioning
what happened on SCIA here, I am ready to apologize.

/begin rude

BTW, even if I was rude, what are you going to do? Reporting to 
sysadmin (like you did to many others before), or threatening with
a lawsuit (which you did to few others).

Crying 'Mommy' might get you a cup of hot chocolate.

/end rude

  >And now that Harpal Chohan is back and has started his abuse on
  >this group too, I leave this group as well.
  >
  >Have fun,
  >
  >Alok
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: unbounded tolerance - the new ideal ? (Re: Long hairs ...
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:44:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct12.204101.21240@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:

> whole point I'm trying to get across: your conservatism is not just
> dislike for a specific hairstyle, but intolerance for a variety of
> personal appearances and, by extension, the ideas of those people.

Aren't you being intolerant to his ideas too ?

> My parents actually don't object too much at all, neither about the hair
> nor about the motorcycle, and I'm much relieved.

Why did you then write a few weeks back that your parents dragged you
and your brother to get a hair cut ?

Were you dishonest then ?

Alok
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From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: MCI commercials
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:35:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.034352.22314@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>In article <1aqtsnINN6tc@agate.berkeley.edu>, mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon) writes...
>>Anybody notice:
>> 
>>1) MCI's big push into advertising in the Indian community?  India-West
>>recently (over summer) had a big ad of purported relatives in India whom
>>you could reach with their lower phone rates.  However, I recognized
>>several of the people in the photo; it turns out the photo was taken at
>>the Fremont, CA Hindu temple.  (Fremont = Indian ghetto here)
>> 
>>2) MCI's new TV ad featuring international friends/relatives:
>> 
>>- Indian guy, white girlfriend, who say he'll call "his uncle in
>>  Agra, India."  Pronounces it a-gruh, with a as in apple.
>> 
>>- Sri Lankan guy, gelled hair, earring, glasses, who'll call somebody
>>  in Sri Lanka.
>> 
>>- MCI adwoman: "Doesn't anybody have relatives in Buffalo anymore?"
>> 
>> 
>>Manish
>
>
>  Not to be picky, but what the hell :).  Your #2 is actually a Sprint
>commercial.  At least I think it was, I could have been tripping.  Anyway,
>yeah I took a double take at the Indian guy who said "Agra, India", mainly
>because he looked a white guy with a dark tan...seriously.  And the Sri Lankan
>guy, sheesh, where'd they find these guys?  At least they tried to put
>some non-stereotypical people on...I could just imagine this guy wearing 
>a turban charming a cobra saying in a thick Indian accent, "I call my 
>elephant in India." Right.
>
>-Venkat

Yeah, it could've been Sprint.

The Sri Lankan isn't stereotypical!  Earring?  Stylin' hair?

If you want to see stereotypical, watch THE PARTY (Peter Sellers) or
SHORT CIRCUIT (something Fisher).
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From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Moving this newsgroup to soc.culture hierarchy
Organization: -
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:05:30 GMT

Is there anyone outside USA, Canada reading this newsgroup?
(I remember seeing a posting from England once.)

Please post or contact by e-mail.

Raghavan
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From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Re: Last SCIA Vote
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:34:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.225816.26778@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:


>I think Satyen should post the RFD and Mehul should collect the votes
>this time. Others should help Satyen in preparing a charter and argue for 
>its creation in the soc hierarchy. Mehul who has volunteered to collect 
>the votes should remain quiet during the entire operation. Although the vote
>taker may speak up during discussion, it will be better to keep
>quiet so as to avoid any negative backlash as a consequence of previous 
>two votes.
>
>My last words for a while. I am in deep remorse.
>
>Alok

It is very touching to have so much confidence expressed in me from 
Alok, Raghavan, and several other net.friends . 

On behalf the readers of this group,  I humbly accept 
this responsibility. I have set up a small group which will initially 
draft the charter, and then we will present it here for discussion and 
possible amendment before sending out the formal RFD. If the RFD cannot 
be posted until mid November, then it might be wise to wait until 
January, because otherwise the voting period will coincide with the 
holiday season. Unless, of course, we have identified a huge number 
of people who read this group for sure and so will presumably vote for it - 
like around 500 - through Ron Hira's mock election stats. 

I will post the draft charter as soon as it's ready - Amirthi, Manish, 
Preeti, Tapesh, Mehul and I will be working closely on it. 
(All of us who read this group will have a chance to comment on it before 
it goes to news.groups and elsewhere. )


-- Satyen
From: mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: kids, rebellion, long hair, earrings, etc.
Organization: Dept. of Wizardry, Univ. of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:35:29 GMT

howdy all!

first, let me clarify something i said which, i believe, manish took
a little out of context.  my father, grandfather, etc. did NOT sport
earrings, they just had their ears pierced.  i, on the other hand,
ocassionally do wear one (yes, it's on the left ear, though i'm
getting too old to keep up with latest "trends" -- does which ear
matter anymore?). the reason?  do you REALLY care?  does it REALLY
matter?  personally, i think a guy wearing a small stud in his
ear is a LOT less tacky then some girl wearing earrings that are
the size of hoola-hoops!

also, as for "conservative" texas, yes most guys keep their hair
short.  reason?  convenience.  in texas, especially in houston
and surrounding areas, it gets hot AND humid.  also, it STAYS that way
9 to 10 months out of the year.  thus, keeping your hair short
keeps you cool.

In article <1992Oct12.181333.2632@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>Kids do rebel, usually when they are 'pushed' against their will. 
>But they don't do everything for that shock value.  I think in 
>this case, having long hair, may be just the current fashion 
>(which may be their only motive).  I remember wearing bell-bottom
>pants, which were considered to be ugly by the older generation then. 
>I don't remember doing it as a rebel act at all.
>
>Raghavan

bell-bottoms look ugly by ANY generation standards :) :)
however, your point is well made.  not all things done are
necessarily "rebellious" in nature.  take t-shirts.  my dad
doesn't think i should wear them, especially now that i'm
"older" and should dress accordingly.  hey!  i LIKE my t-shirts.
they're 100% cotton.  feel comfortable.  easy to wash
and wear.  and cost less than your average golf or button-down
shirt.  is that rebellion?  in some people's eyes it might be.

how about playing certain games?  chess and many other board
games are considered ok.  card games are reasonable.  how
about RPGs (role-playing games; like Dungeons & Dragons)?
there are several parents, indian AND non-indian, who discouraged
their kids from playing them.  and if they continued to
do so, say at their friends' houses, is that rebellious?
hmm....it may be since the parents didn't want them to
pplay it.  but, isn't doing the "rebellious" thing also
supposed to contain shock value?  does playing an RPG contain
shock value?  things to wonder about....


peace,
-purna

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From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Uh Oh, Its the Battle of the Sexes...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:32:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.144356.25180@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:

>This does not mean that there aren't individual level reasons, such as 
>not meeting the right person - but when *all* persons that you meet who 
>have a  certain ethnicity - are not 'up to your standards' - as 
>acknowledged here recently, you have to wonder what's going on.

The FAQ you posted recently from SCAA makes exactly this point: look at
the trends.  Alok V. has been posting for awhile that not ALL parents are
intolerant, not ALL II women who marry NRIs are traditional, etc.  Nobody
claims 100% conformity.  But the validity of such sociological arguments
is that SOME GENERALIZATIONS CAN BE MADE.  Preeti Gholap acknowledges
exactly this in her response to Alok.

There are reasons why people are attracted to some and repulsed by others.
There are reasons why some alliances and relationships are formed while
others are broken.  These may be incredibly complex and individual but
some thought may yield surprising results.

I am not interested in contributing to a "war between the sexes" either.
I am interested in contributing to an understanding and a reconciliation.

Now the generalization has been made that II/IA men are sexist.  My view
is biased because the IA men I know are in the college setting.  However,
this is as inflammatory to me as it would be for me to say, "IA women
are generally ugly."  Sexism is, as I'm sure you'd agree, an internal
ugliness.  So if you make this generalization, be sure you have analysis.
Otherwise acknowledge that it's been your personal experience and you're
not extrapolating ...

Manish
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From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian (Re:To marry (Indian) or not ?
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:45:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.073750.23489@ncsu.edu> hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.172151.21054@midway.uchicago.edu> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.222747.29493@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct4.233842.26140@midway.uchicago.edu>, moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:


>oh poor you. them bad desi dudes didnt like you at all, did they?

No, no, no....you miss the point.  If they didn't like me, I wouldn't
have to keep saying no. *grin* (Maybe it's the exotic, americanized
Indian syndrome :-).

>"if she wants to divorce,will he let her?" hah! <--- that decides
>whether you date a desi...man, you have some queer decision making 
>factors..IMHO.

I think it's an important indication of how much freedom and
independence a woman will have in a relationship.  In moslem cultures,
for example, a man can divorce his wife simply by walking around her
three times and saying I divorce you.  A wife has no way to divorce
her husband...the best she can do is go back to live with her family,
and unless circumstances are extraordinary, they may not accept her.

The question, however, is not so much one of divorce (no, that's not
the first thing on my mind when I date somebody :-), but rather
whether he is willing to treat me as the independent, free-thinking
person I am.  That is a crucial question in a relationship, and one
that I have found difficult to come to an agreement on with many
Indian guys.

>-harsh

-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Subject: Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian (Re:To marry (Indian) or not ?
Reply-To: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:07:05 GMT

In article <6086@dove.nist.gov>, hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.200909.27965@menudo.uh.edu>, mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S) writes:
>|> From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
>
>|> >3) Because they are more family oriented, will take care of the kids
>|> 
>|> Yeah, but have you met the beer-guzzling, top-less bar going, chivas-regal
>|> drinking guys I have.  As as general rule I might aggree with you, but
>|> again it's becoming rarer.
>
>What's wrong with the above guy? :-) I thoroughly enjoy the above with
>the prediction that I'll be family oriented. :-)
>
>Ron

Nothing really, just suggesting that what the individual who is classically
considered family oriented doesn't do those things mentioned above.  And
if he does, doesn't that also describe most of us guys in general.  I was
implying that we Indian men are not any more family oriented, because of
our race or our upbringing.  I've met a lot of Americans in our "social 
class" who are just as family oriented.  Please don't take "social class"
wrong, it is the easiest way to describe what I mean.


VCD,  Puneet (D-Poon) 
 
              {:-()  EveryOne's Entitled to your Opinion  ()-:}
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: looking for attention?? (was Re: Are IAs close-minded ?)
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:58:37 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
Distribution: na

mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna) writes:

>finally, "gimmicks like long hair?"  hmmm....maybe.  however, no
>more so than wearing contact lenses, getting plastic surgery,
>or wearing make-up!  aren't these all, in some sense, gimmicks
>to get attention (though, not in all cases)?

Ok, I concede. One gimmick is no better and no worse than other.
Still, I think "gimmicks" (or fashion) are usually to get +ve
attention. Contact Lenses, Plastic surgery, make-up, make people
attractive to others. But long hair? I know these are very subjective
things, but I have a feeling that guys with long hair/ear-rings
go for -ve attention (notoriety) maybe because some attention (even -ve)
is perhaps better to them than no attention.

Sumitro

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: Sci-Fi and Indians (was Re: Desis on TV)
Organization: Dept. of Wizardry, Univ. of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:13:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.144141.29263@news2.cis.umn.edu> shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad (Gregerson)) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.013742.25248@cs.cornell.edu> soam@cs.cornell.edu (Soam Acharya) writes:
>>
>>Dreaming of the day we'll get someone vaguely Indian looking on 
>>"Star Trek, The Next Generation".....
>
>In one of the early early early episodes (the ones in which all of the 
>characters were smiling all of the time), there was someone in engineering
>(where else?-:) called Ens. Singh or Lt. Singh or something.  I think he
>may have give up the ghost, courtesy of some alien force, as is wont to
>happen with any character not listed in the opening playbill.
>
>And don't forget Ricardo Montalban as the infamous Khan N. Singh.  I always
>forget his middle name.  They said it once on the original series and it
>sounded something like Nan.  That's it, Khan Bread Singh, or was it
>Cornbread Singh?
>
>Shiv
>

howdy!

actually, Khan was supposed to be 'Persian';  so, depending on how
far you want to take the definition of 'indian', he may or may not
be included as part of that group.

also, don't forget that in the movie Star Trek IV, we had an Indian
CAPTAIN of a starship! (yes, i know it's the tennis player, but i forget
his name right now).

on another note, has anyone ever read Gore Vidal's _Kalki_?  i remember
reading it many years ago with it leaving quite an impression on my
young psyche.  yes, it is a pseudo-science-fiction book about the
future of our planet if certain cicumstances occurred.  i picked it
up only because of the title, and found it to be quite interesting.

finally, are there any indian sf writers?  i have never heard/read
any, but i am sure there must be at least one!?  just curious....

peace,
-purna



Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: Propagation Statistics
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
	<1992Oct6.213401.29226@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:50:12 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.213401.29226@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:


   > At some stage we should be thinking about becoming a soc. group, 
   > I don't know when it will be six months since the last (renaming) 
   > vote was held, but it should be coming up pretty soon. 

   How would you like to take a lead in this endeavour ?
   Any other volunteers ? We need a group of people this time.
   I am not going to be a part of it (Fortunately or unfortunately :-)
   Venkatraman Raghavan, Purna, Mary Anne (Amirthi), Manish Vij, Tapesh etc.
   may do better ...

I am more then willing to help in this endeavour as I do have some amount of
free time due mainly to a easy course load this semester. So if you do start
the process of renaming the group let me know.

   Any stat on s.c.t. ?

forgive the ignorance but what does s.c.t. stand for????


Also there was some talk of starting a mock poll to see how people would vote
in the upcoming elections, anybody know what happened to it?? I had offered to
help in tallying the votes. if someone can inform me a couple days in advance
i can get things ready.


increase the peace

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From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Re: Compelling evolutionary reasons for inter-racial marriages (Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian)
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:09:12 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.195252.6891@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> mgundeko@ad-6.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota) writes:

[ evolutionary stuff deleted ]

   By the way, India has some of the most diverse gene bank, given its
   history full of foreign invasions. As an aficianado of evolutionary
   theory, I can dare say that the Indian subcontinent has the most
   accomodating people, compared to a younger civilization here say,
   because of the inter-racial alliances, although not everything out
   there has been perfect. 

I dont know if that is true or not. Lets see if my memory serves me correctly
then India was invaded by the Greeks, Persians, Mughals, and of course the
Brits. In this "younger civilization" we have Africans, Brits, Irish, Italian,
Greek, Polish, Persian, Germans, French, Native Americans. Thats quiet more of
a mix then the sub-continent I think.


   Contrast that with Israel where Arab-Jew marriages are shunned upon,
   and so the off-spring from such marriages tends to be politically and
   culturally victimized, which is not the case in Indian inter-caste or
   inter-religious marriages. 

Very wrong indeed. In India there has never been the kind of tolerence you
suggest for inter-caste marriages and non-existent tolerance for
inter-religious marriages. It is only in the last 5-10 years that things have
started to change and some form of tolerence is exhibited. 




increase the peace (and tolerence)
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