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From: timk@world.std.com (Tim King)
Subject: Christian DJ in Secular Radio
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:40:39 GMT

This is an update... actually kind of a conclusion... to my prayer request
concerning my christian DJ friend who works at a secular radio station.

<mean & tired mode on>

FIrst of all, just to seperate this post from the recent "Amy Grant" post.
Since I've known her, Delilah has led something like a dozen people to
Christ.  She has high christian standards, and these were conflicting with
the ultimate wishes of her supervisors.  That's what the prayer request
was about.  I hope I don't see any comments concerning her christian life
or her ministry on this list.  Thank you.

<mean & tired mode off>

Dee has found a job at a radio station near Philadelphia. :-(  We're all
going to miss her, but she has a reputation for visiting her old friends
from time to time... so I hope I get to see her occasionally.  If anyone
wants I might be able to find out what the new station's frequency and
call letters are...

Thanks for all of your prayers for Dee, Sonny, Doug, and Lorraine.  Dee
and Sonny are moving, along with their roommate Lorraine, sometime in August.
Doug will probably move down there a little later, so he and Dee can
get married.  From my perspective, it's the best of times; it's the
worst of times.  I'm happy that God is leading her someplace else,
where I'm sure she'll have the same impact she's had here.  However, I'm
sad at the impending distance of my friends.  I wish them the best.

-Tim
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:04:46 EDT
From:         Julie Nott <STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Head of Household*Marriage, etc.

These are just a few scriptures that *may* shed a little bit of light
on those of us interested in this subject.  I've copied them from a book
called "The Bible Promise Book".

   Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of
thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy
vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou
takest under the sun.  Ecclesiastes 9:9

   Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
   Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy
thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.
   And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace
the bosom of a stranger?  Proverbs 5:18-20

Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the
wife unto the husband.  1 Corinthians 7:3

   Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
   For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of
the church: and he is the saviour of the body.  Ephesians 5:22,23

  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave
himself for it;  Ephesians 5:25

  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies.  He that loveth his
wife loveth himself.  Ephesians 5:28

  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be
joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.  Ephesians 5:31

  Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as
himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.  Ephesians 5:33

  But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own
house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.  1 Timothy 5:8

  Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
  Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.  Colossians 3:18,
19

  Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving
honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together
of the grace of life; and that your prayers be not hindered.  1 Peter 3:7

  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands,
to love their children.
  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own
husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.  Titus 2:4,5

Jules
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:08:00 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 7/27
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

"There will be more trouble than has ever happened since the beginning of the
world.  And nothing as bad as that will ever happen again" (Matthew 24:21).

"There will be a time of much trouble.  It will be the worst time since nations
have been on earth" (Daniel 12:1).

"Soon after the trouble of those days ... They will see the Son of Man coming
on clouds in the sky.  He will come with great power and glory.  He will use a
loud trumpet to send his angels all around the earth.  They will gather his
chosen people from every part of the world" (Matthew 24:29-31).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 11:09:08 EST
From:         Boon Chye Lee <boon@CC.UOW.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Small group for Bible Study
X-To:         CHRISTIA@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
              Stephenson" at Jul 25, 92 6:40 pm

>
> Hello Everyone:
>
> After carefully considering the responses to my Bible study suggestion,
> I have decided to go ahead with the plan.  Those who have already
> indicated interest will be receiving private mail, which I will send
> today (Saturday 7/25).  If you are interested and have not heard from
> me, please mail me privately as soon as possible.  I am setting
> an August 1 deadline for final entry into the group.  Thanks,
>                                                    Love INC,
>                                                        --Kerry

Hello,

I've been away and so have missed earlier postings on this.  Could you
please fill me in on the Bible study suggestion?

Thanks in advance.

Boon
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:42:00 N
From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Faith in the Word

In a message of Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:41:58 GMT
Received on Tue, 21 Jul 92 02:08 N

Tim King <timk@WORLD.STD.COM> wrote:

>First of all, "by His stripes we are healed," a quote from Isaiah 53,
>refers to spiritual healing, not physical healing.  Read the phrase
>in the context of Isaiah 53, and this will become clear.

But isn't this implied by Matthew when he says:

MAT 8:16  When the even was come, they brought unto him many that
 were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his
 word, and healed all that were sick:
MAT 8:17  That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the
 prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our
 sicknesses.

Wolfgang <><
From: spk@uk.ac.aber (Stephen Kingston)
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Subject: Christian Fiction
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:06:08 GMT
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mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) wrote:
> Besides Peretti's books (and CS Lewis of course)
> the only other thing I have read is "A Vision of Light," which may
> or may not be sold in Christian bookstores but is nonetheless Christian
> and very good.  

> Ernest Mueller

Don't forget Stephen Lawhead's books. I especially liked the Pendragon
Trilogy ("Taliesin", "Merlin" and "Arthur") which are well researched 
and well written.

Stephen.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:46:00 CST
From:         "Truth is creative,
              transforming & alive...CP..." <MUELLERPA@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: prayer request

Carol Nemec & listmembers,

  My church in Granite City, Illinois is also sending our youth to this
  gathering.  We sent 6 of our youth and 4 chaperones from Hope Lutheran
  Church.  Our pastor had a small portion of last Sunday's service that
  recognized what they were going to do and blessed/prayed for them as
  they head off to New Orleans.  Anyway, I just wanted to mention this
  and also ask that the list members pray for our youth also...

          In Christ's Love,

             Paul A. Mueller


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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:39:27 CDT
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Practical witchcraft?

I might not have read everything that goes with/before this post. In fact,
the following excerpt might even be a joke. Maybe I'm being too quick to
react. But I was wondering since we can no longer discuss the "P" word in
posts here, does that mean rebellion and witchcraft are more "practical"
than the "P" word? By that I refer to the words "covenmate" and "Witchcraft"
in the material below.

>I believe that Ms. Clinton is arguing that it is for a court to decide whether
>a given 12 (or 13 or 14 year old) is competent to make informed and reasoned
>decisions.

>As one data point, there is my student and new covenmate, Ascha.  When I was
>introduced to her by a mutual friend, she was 14.  She is now 16.  Normally, I
>would not teach one under the age of 16, but she has her head on straight and
>is capable of making informed and reasoned decisions.

>(People wondering about legality take note: I have her parents' permission and
>blessing to teach her Witchcraft.)

Maybe this doesn't bother anyone else. And if it's only a joke, well....
But if it's real, then it seems like the family values being endorsed are
the values of the sin of rebellion (is that not how witchcraft is described?).

Tom Brewer
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Subject: ATTN: Iowan Christian Writers/Artists
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:48:56 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

An associate of mine is putting together an evangelical publication called
"Streetlight" -- a collection of stories, short articles, testimonies and even
cartoons.  I'm not quite sure how it's going to be distributed, but the primary
purpose is witnessing.  If you're a Christian writer (Hey!  If you post a lot
here, you *have* to be a writer, right?  =)  ), artist, cartoonist in Iowa (or,
I suppose elsewhere), I'm sure he'd love to hear from you if you think you
might be able to contribute.  Write to:

Joe Baumhover
P.O. Box 111
Osage, IA  50461

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:22:19 EDT
From:         "Roger A. Phyall" <ROGER@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Masturbation: Gift of God or Sin from the Devil?
              30 Jul 1992 18:54:44 GMT from <mktjadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

On Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:54:44 GMT Jeff A. Dilcher said:
>I have found no places in the
>bible that actually forbid the practice, yet some people say that teachings
>on lust apply here.  Perhaps it is up to the individual to decide.

The only biblical references I can think of have to do with "better to marry
than to burn...."; and the story of the man (can't think of his name) who
'spent his seed on the ground instead of in a harlot.'
In the first case, we see evidence of both sides of your celibacy question.
Yes, it would be better if you could abstain sexually and instead dwell on
Godly things.  The other could be an example of masturbation in the Bible.
I was told of the story but have not researched or read it myself.  Back to
marrying, although one tends to satisfy their spouse as dwell on Godly things,
the family depicts Christ's church and therefore is Godly of itself.

>Some may also view masturbation as a gift from God, and an alternative to
>committing fornication or adultery.
>
In a word, Bull! This ain't nobodys gift, it's just something that mechanically
can be done with the parts of the human body.  However, you bet!  It can serve
as anyone's alternative to sexual sinning (be nice to hear from our sisters on
this as frankly as we brothers have commented).

     As to the sin aspect, I have to say "to each his own."  To him that know
it as sin, so be it for HIM ALONE!  There is nothing in the Ten Commandments or
in the teachings of Jesus or the Diciples that define this as sin.  There is,
however, leanings in the direction of abstaining being the way to go.
The phase:  "Hairy Palm...." comes to mind.

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From: ISPMOM@ASUACAD.BITNET (Madge McBurney)
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Subject: The vote
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:08:35 GMT
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Please send your vote to both listowners...nine votes are in so far!!
Steven will try to give daily updates on the vote count.

Christia list owners,
Madge McBurney    Bitnet:   ispmom@asuacad
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Steven Klepzig    Internet: sklepzi@ssb1.saff.utah.edu
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From: fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco)
Subject: Re: Family Values and Arbitration
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:55:54 GMT

AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Angela Zimmerman) writes:

>I don't think that parents have the right to force their children to
>do anything that could affect their adult lives (like whether or not
>to have an abortion).  Children are a lot smarter than some people here
>will give them credit for.  Believe it or not, but sometimes children
>know what's best for them better than the parents do.  There's also no
>way to say what age a child is able to think for themselves, as each
>individual matures differently.  I think a child should be able to take
>his parents to court pretty much at any age, as long as the judge thinks
>the child is mature enough to know what he's doing.  Issues like this are
>not clear-cut by any means and should be treated more on a case-by-case
>situation, similar to what Hilary Clinton is suggesting.

It seems to me that the crux of the argument here is at what age a child
becomes an adult with all the rights and responsibilities that come with
that status.  For many years, if not decades, we have accepted 17-21 as
the period in someone's life when adult responsibilities are granted
(driving, marriage, drinking, voting, etc.) Arrival at these ages was
not taken lightly, but much consideration as to the psychological maturity
of children and young adults was made. We all agree that children do,
in reality, mature differently, and it is quite possible that some 12
year olds could be quite capable of getting a drivers' license. We 
establish age limits on such matters, however, so that the system can run
more smoothly, without the chaos of trying to include every exception. It
has been sad many times that hard cases make bad law - giving children
rights in court would fall in that category. If we adopted the  stand
that Hillary Clinton would like, we would pit child against parent - as
equals in the eyes of the court, no less! - and would witness the
explosion of litigation as the Children's Defense Fund goes into high
gear. Besides Hillary Clintons obvious desire to increase the employment
opportunities for lawyers, she shows a blatant disregard for the
institution of the family, and arrogantly assumes a judge should be able
to "supervise" and "overrule" the decisions parents might make.

A final note: This argument in no way criticizes the legitimate interests
of the state in defending the children from abusive or otherwise lawless
parents. 

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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:59:54 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Already read Prophet
              22 Jul 1992 19:46:19 GMT from <mueller@OWLNET.RICE.EDU>

Ernest:

Yes, I've read Prophet, and I prefer it to Peretti's other work,
largely because it is more concrete, dealing with human beings and
their interactions, rather than with angels and demons and such.
The characters are very well drawn, and the action is fast-paced,
convincing, and factually-based.  While I would guess that even
non-Christians would be interested in the story, the first page
has a conversion story that might conceivably put them off.  (But
if they can get past it, the rest is well worth it.)
  The plot deals with a television reporter whose father is one of
those people that go around like John the Baptist, crying "Repent
or Perish" (which is why they call him "The Prophet").  This is,
to say the least, embarassing for the reporter.  However, when the
reporter stumbles on a story of a girl whose death by legal abortion
is being covered up, he begins to see the true nature of the medium
for which he works.  His son, who is estranged from him, is another
catalyst for his realizations, and the relationships in the story
are realistic and very intense.  I recommend it highly, and I
think it would make a terrific movie (with Mel Gibson as the reporter.)

                                          Love INC,
                                                   --Kerry
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From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <graham%drcv06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Repentance.
X-To:         christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

I'm sorry, my mail filter erased the name on this post.

Take courage!  Your standing with God has nothing whatever to do with your
performance as a Christian.  Your conversion was not a guarantee you'd
never sin again.  The process of gaining the "family likeness" of Jesus,
(Romans 8:29), is just that, a process.  You are in good company, read
Romans, chapter 7 to see that Paul had the same difficulties.

You have two natures:  The old one that will do dastardly things from time
to time, and the new one that is tied always and forever to God, and cannot
and does not sin.  Ask forgiveness and go on.  If it happens again,
remember it does not remove you from God's presence, it does not affect
your salvation one whit!  Jesus promises that you cannot be plucked from
His hand, (John 6).  You cannot pluck yourself from there, either.  All is
not lost, you are still God's child and no less so for your errors.

Don't let anyone tell you that you have sinned away God's presence or that
He is angry with you, these are lies.  If God loved you enough to make you
one of His, He most certainly will not let you go.  Praise Him and press
on.

Dan Graham
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:15:35 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Voting about Issues (US-specific, but generalisable)
              22 Jul 1992 16:53:00 MDT from <SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>

Steven,

You write, "Including getting rid of that legislation that permits
abortion on demand?  Or is that considered legislation?  After all,
it was legislation that enabled abortion on demand right?  Why not
just get rid of that legislation and not enact new legislation to
stop abortion?"

Wrong.  It was not legislation that legalized abortion on demand for
the full nine months of pregnancy.  It was a pair of Supreme Court
decisions.  The Court, in what Justice White described in his dissent
as "an exercise of raw judicial power", decreed that all laws re-
stricting abortion are unconstitutional.  And despite the screams of
outrage from pro-abortionists over the recent decision on the Penn-
sylvania laws, that is still the law.  If a woman wants an abortion
at any time during her pregnancy up to the moment of birth, no law
can forbid her from getting it or can prevent a physician from per-
forming it.

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:26:48 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Hi

Hi Saints, We had trouble with our links here at ITESO and I don't know if
the last posts (about Ruben Alonso and the anual congress of the CRHS) were
sent. Do you know ?

If they didn't, well I'm back, glad to see you all.

Shalom,
Memo.
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              92 11:03 am

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