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From: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: word cake
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:46:24 GMT
Reply-To: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

Me and my girlfriend are sitting at a table in some kind of
dance restaurant. I spot an ex girlfriend of mine, being somewhat
disturbed and saddened by seeing her. My present girlfriend is
much like my ex-, but I feel I would rather be with my ex- anyway.
What disturbs me most is seeing her with another guy.
I walk with my girlfriend towards the center of the restaurant,
suddenly facing a friend of mine and his family. I'm happy to
see them, and we start a conversation. I try to tell my friend a funny
story I read in alt.tasteless, but all the time someone interrupts
me by saying something to my friend, and when I eventually get to
the punch-line, everybody turns quiet. Nobody seems to think it was
the least amusing, and I walk away, disappointed and sad.
I sit down at a table in the restaurant, in the opposite corner
from where the first table was. My girlfriend joins me and I embrace
her. We are now sitting at a little higher level, about two feet
above the dancing floor, where several small round tables are placed.
I spot my ex- once again, leaving one of the tables and, presumably,
the restaurant. My girlfriend is sitting with her back to me, and I
have my arms around her, holding her a little tighter at that instant,
to be comforted by her body. I enjoy feeling the bare skin above her
breasts at my underarms.

Me and my girlfriend are sitting at a small round table, right next
to an identical table where my ex- and her boyfriend are sitting.
We are all looking oriental, the girls wearing some kind of kimonoes.
We are all having a conversation in Chinese, but my girlfriend wants
to tell me something in private, and shifts to another language.
My ex's boyfriend then starts to yell at my girlfriend in Japanese;
"What in the world did you have to talk 'rundi' for???"
My ex- forces him to stop yelling by serving him two slices of cake,
topped with berries in gelatine, exactly corresponding to the words
he used to yell at my girlfriend. He has to eat them before going on,
and the delay obviously calms him down. I can't help but to admire
my ex's witful act.

(The ex-g. is an actual ex-g. of mine. The story in alt.t was quite
funny and not very tasteless at all. In my dream, I translated it into
Swedish. The restaurant seemed a little 'glossy' and cheap, like the
McD's or icecream bars here in Sweden.)

--tommy 
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From: lazarus@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Amnesia dream...
Date: 2 Sep 1992 03:43:27 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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	The moment I dreamt of for months (sort of!) is here... I've finally
returned to the boards!  And I actually have something pertinent to add...
	I was talking with a friend of mine through my VM account, and he said
that he had had a very strange dream.  He dreamt that he had been called to the
hospital to visit a mutual friend of ours (via computer also) and that she for
some reason had amnesia.  It was up to him to identify her and to try to convince
her that she was who he said she was, that he knew her, etc.  
	Now, the really weird thing is, we haven't heard from her in months,
now... her accounts at her school (at least the ones we knew to contact her by)
are no longer active, and I had tried to call her once, getting a disconnect
recording.  I'm pretty sure that she's alive, safe and well, but when he told me
about the dream, it was pretty freaky.
	As for myself, I can't recall any juicy dreams of late.  But I'll TRY to
keep on dreaming!

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
A survivor of the *Prodigy "network"
The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: difficulties reading while dreaming
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:42:57 GMT
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In <1992Sep1.182619.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:

>   I've had numerous dreams where I find my self with book (usually technical)
>  in my hands or nearby.  When I atempt to read the letters start to move around.
>  They become totally unrecognizable except for about how many letters there are.

Somebody has mentioned not long ago that it is common in dreams *not*
to be able to read, not to remember what you have read, or that words
change while being read. He stated this as one of the 'reality checks'
used to induce lucid dreaming. Note that unfortunately, when reading
something in a dream, you usually think that it was really important,
but soon afterwards (and after waking up) you can't remember what it
was. My feeling on this is that it is NOT important then. (There have
recently been reports of dreams of something really important being
recalled; I think that what IS important WILL be remembered.)
MfG,
        Olaf
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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: Forcing yourself out of a dream.
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:54:53 GMT
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In <1992Aug29.160906.14674@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>  For as far back as I can remember, once in a while I would have that
>  funny dream/sensation of being awake and knowing what's going on
>  around me, but being totally unable to move a muscle. It's a state of
>  complete paralysis, and semi-conciousness and usually unpleasant.

In dream state, the muscles really are paralyzed, to inhibit motions
they would make according to the dream scenery. I remember reading of
neurologists having recently found some sort of a 'clock generator' in
the brain which gets switched off in dream state. This could explain
your situation of getting paralyzed while falling asleep (in the first
sleep styage with the consciousness not completely off) as well as
walking in your sleep (when the paralysis does not take place; usually
found in children only). The muscles of the eyes are not affected,
which is the reason for the dream state to be known as REM for rapid
eye movements.

>...
>  I've always thought it was a common thing till the other day, a cousin
>  says he has started believing in God, because he thought he (God) was
>  trying to tell him something. I was pretty amused because now he is a
>  devout Christian after experiencing for the first time what I'd always
>  taken for granted.

'Taken for granted' can also be interpreted as 'given by God or
whomever, no need to worry about'. But strange that such a thing can
cause people to take a religious belief. (What has brought me to
*abandon* religious belief has been considerably more serious but that
is stuff for alt.atheism.moderated.)

MfG,
        Olaf
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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: All forgotten...
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:12:02 GMT
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Here is a theory of mine regarding the issue of forgetting and
remembering dreams. (Has this been mentioned before?)

I think that when when waking up, you cross the different phases of
sleep backwards in short time, and the first (second?) layer has a
'mechanism' which erases certain portions of short and medium-time memory.
Therefore you forget most of your dreams immediately.

This gets supported by the experience that when asleep (dreaming or
not, at least in certain phases - I think the first two), you can
listen to e.g. news broadcasts and capture all of it, but when waking
up you have forgotten it. What remains is the memory of 'having
listened to that-or-that on the radio' but not what it exactly was.

I think this is a construction made deliberately for the purpose of
forgetting dreams.

Any comments?

MfG,
        Olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: difficulties reading while dreaming
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:26:19 GMT

 I've had numerous dreams where I find my self with book (usually technical)
in my hands or nearby.  When I atempt to read the letters start to move around.
They become totally unrecognizable except for about how many letters there are.
Any suggestions as to how stabilize text?
                                 Thanxs Kris
From: lazarus@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: difficulties reading while dreaming
Date: 2 Sep 1992 03:56:29 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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My problem isn't that the words become gibberish, it's that I'll read a passage
from my "dream book", then look back to double check, and it'll say something else
that's totally different!

Another problem I have is after I spend hours or days reading one or a series of
books (cramming fiction, SHAME on me!), and then I dream that I'm still reading
one of them.  What REALLY bites is to wake up, thinking "I wasn't finished reading
that yet," and in reality, I had finished that book days earlier!  :)

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
A survivor of the *Prodigy "network"
The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
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From: rishb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (H. Beiers)
Subject: Re: 24 August dream
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:50:19 EST

star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett) writes:

>I am in my hometown, but the streets I know so well are a mirror-
>image. My family's house is no longer on the southeast corner.
>The house is on the northwest corner and I am running as fast
>as I can (toward the east) in terror. 

I live in Australia in the southern hemisphere and when I have been on
holidays overseas in the northern hemisphere this is just what it feels
like.  Because the sun is in the wrong side of the sky I am always going
in the wrong direction; south instead of north, east instead of west.  It
is a very strange feeling.  Nothing is where it should be.

Other stuff deleted

Henric Beiers
henricb@rmit.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: questions
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:56:00 GMT

In article <BttLu2.LFL@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU> valaris@swifty.dap.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Valaris) writes:
>I have only read this newsgroup a few times, and must say that i find dreaming
>a very interesting subject. I have always been a very heavy dreamer, often
>recalling up to seven dreams (all seperate) the follwing morning. Most are very
>bizarre, so I try not to interpret them, as sometimes they leave negative    
>feelings which can last one to two days. Here is my question.
>
>"Is there a standard defining symbols in dreams - eg. horses, lakes, etc. or
>is this type of interpretation too shallow, or false. Do certain symbols        represent certain 'events' applicable to all dreamers, or are the symbols
>specific for each person ? "
>
>I ask this, because for as long as I can remember, I have had a recurring dream
>of watching aeroplanes fall out of the sky. Th dream circumstances are always
>different, as are the aeroplanes. Sometimes the fall to the ground without
>flames, sometimes with great explosions. Only rarely have I seen victims from
>the plane wreckage. I can also recall the feeling when watching the planes
>fall, somwhere between terror and euphoria (figure that one out). I have
>this dream about once a month - without fail. Any thoughts anyone ?
>
>very interested

I tend to think that dream symbols are personal because people are different
(someone here mentioned that flying over rice fields is going to have
a different meaning for a rice farmer than for a rice consumer or a 
corn farmer...)  But people from similar cultures are likely to have
similar symbols because, for example, the same rules of ettiquette apply
and things like that...  Anyway, I would like to know what this recurring
dream means for you, because I have this one alot too...  I decided to
use it as a lucid dream trigger, and then I had it less frequently, but
it still happens sometimes, and I ALWAYS fail to realize that it's a dream
(though I always consider the possibility that it might be)...  Also,
it has extended from just airplanes to include orbiting vehicles:
shuttles & man-made satellites...  Go figure.

Xref: sparky alt.dreams:2981 alt.consciousness:421
From: elascurn@daimi.aau.dk (Lars R{der Clausen)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:20:46 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

(Note crossposting!)

valaris@swifty.dap.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Valaris) writes:

>I have only read this newsgroup a few times, and must say that i find dreaming
>a very interesting subject. I have always been a very heavy dreamer, often
>recalling up to seven dreams (all seperate) the follwing morning. Most are very
>bizarre, so I try not to interpret them, as sometimes they leave negative    
>feelings which can last one to two days. Here is my question.

>"Is there a standard defining symbols in dreams - eg. horses, lakes, etc. or
>is this type of interpretation too shallow, or false. Do certain symbols
>represent certain 'events' applicable to all dreamers, or are the symbols
>specific for each person ? "

Yes and no. I wouldn't buy a Dream Catalogue listing what every single thing
I dream means. People are simply too different for this to work. But there are
some symbols that are so deep that they mean the same for many people. I
would say you should check you personal symbols first in most cases.

An interesting idea I just came up with:
Dream Catalogues are actually becoming LESS useful as humanity evolves. This
comes from the greater indiviualism which is slowly evolving (You can f.x.
see that in clothes trend - fifty years ago, most people dress the same -
try looking at a crowd now!). When Freud first began interpreting dreams,
people had less individuality, so the symbols where more common, and thus
a Dream Catalogue could be justified. Nowadays people know themselves much
more as individuals and less as members of some groups, so the dream symbols
differ more in their meaning from person to person. Where psychoanalyst
earlier could reasonably say 'This means so-and-so', now it is more like
'What does this mean for you?'
(Notice also that this theory makes the alt.dreams group somewhat less
relevant for getting your dreams interpreted)
Anyone care to discuss?

Yours, Lars Clausen

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Xref: sparky alt.dreams:2996 alt.consciousness:422
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 2 Sep 1992 16:22:18 CDT
From: BrainDead   <U22395@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.consciousness
Subject: hmmm..........

After a hard days work (like now),
 I am barely conscious.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: valaris@swifty.dap.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Valaris)
Subject: questions
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Applied Physics, Sydney
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:42:01 GMT

I have only read this newsgroup a few times, and must say that i find dreaming
a very interesting subject. I have always been a very heavy dreamer, often
recalling up to seven dreams (all seperate) the follwing morning. Most are very
bizarre, so I try not to interpret them, as sometimes they leave negative    
feelings which can last one to two days. Here is my question.

"Is there a standard defining symbols in dreams - eg. horses, lakes, etc. or
is this type of interpretation too shallow, or false. Do certain symbols        represent certain 'events' applicable to all dreamers, or are the symbols
specific for each person ? "

I ask this, because for as long as I can remember, I have had a recurring dream
of watching aeroplanes fall out of the sky. Th dream circumstances are always
different, as are the aeroplanes. Sometimes the fall to the ground without
flames, sometimes with great explosions. Only rarely have I seen victims from
the plane wreckage. I can also recall the feeling when watching the planes
fall, somwhere between terror and euphoria (figure that one out). I have
this dream about once a month - without fail. Any thoughts anyone ?

very interested
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.consciousness
From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Deja-vu (was Re:Drug-induced dreams)
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:17:31 GMT

S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
>In <robg.715423745@citr.uq.oz.au> robg@citr.uq.oz.au writes:
>>  (stuff deleted about jenny lake deja-vu)

>Are you really SURE you had dreamt this?

Absolutely positive.  This is only one example.  There have been many
others.

>>  My own theory is that this sort of thing happens all the time - for
most
>>  people, they don't remember the original dream and call it Deja-vu.

>Do you make a difference between a Deja-vu referring to a dream you
>think(!) to recall and one without such a reference?

Possibly.  I have had deja-vu *without* being able to remember a dream
in connection with it.  As has been suggested in alt.conciousness
perhaps there are other explanations for a similar effect.

>I think it's
>basically the same. We tend to forget dreams, as it is probably being
>intended by nature (I'll post more stuff about that), *and* we tend to
>'remember' things (including dreams) that have not happened, you may
>call it delusion but there seems to be more to deja-vu.

Yes, I agree.  I suspect that there are different causes for the same
effect.  No other person can ever know *exactly* what the experience I
call deja-vu is like - if I describe it, someone else may have had a
*similar* experience due to different causes.  I think all of the causes
listed in alt.conciousness are *possible* causes of deja vu - such as -

- Brain seizure affecting the processing of sensory information. ie. the
 brain generates the same data through two paths with an "echo" effect.
  "Haven't you said that before?"

- The same events occurred in a dream.  This has three aspects - the
  actual event may be similar to the true dream, but our concious
  recollection makes it seem the same.  Second, the subconcious
  remembers the *exact* dream, matches it to the actual event,
  and triggers confusion in the concious. "Hey, haven't I seen
  this before?"  Third, you get a *concious* recollection of
  the dream.

- Actual precognition.  This implies that you knew something was
  going to happen.  Deja-vu isn't really like that (you get the
  deja-vu effect during-the-fact not before-the-fact :-).

- Associative memory.  A similar event happened in the past and
  triggers association.  You don't remember the previous event
  only the feeling that it has happened before.

I'm sure there are others.

Rob

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From: elascurn@daimi.aau.dk (Lars R{der Clausen)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dreams, yeah right!]
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:04:30 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET (Who do you think?) writes:

>I agree with you.  I feel that dreams are just for fun.  That was
>the basic  point I was trying to make.
>--
>Democ (aka Steve)
> 

Well, who can argue with logic like that? :-)

-Lars Clausen
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Snakes
From: jabolliger@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:48:33 EST

In article <1992Aug31.205548.22655@exu.ericsson.se>, exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364) writes:
> I was just wondering what it means when you dream of snakes.  This last month I have
> had two dreams involving snakes.  Both were basicly the same.  
> 
> In the first dream there was a rattle snake in my older sons' (two share the room)
> room.  My oldest son came out of his room and told us there was a snake in it.  My
> SO and I went in the room and saw a rattle snake curled up under the window.  My 
> middle son came in and was going towards the snake, my husband pick up the snake.  
> He held the snake while it bit him.  I ran and got a bag to put the snake in.  We
> took the snake and my husband to the emergency room.
> 
> The second dream was in my youngest son's room and the snake was in the closet, a
> copper head.  I was home alone and was putting things away when it bit me on the leg 
> as I had stepped on it. I ran out of the room and then went in the kitchen and
> proceeded to suck the venom out.   
> Serena

	Serena   Snakes are phallic symbols.  They are also symbols of 
tempation (like in the garden of eden) and sex.

  A common thread in both
your dreams is  1) the snakes originate from your son's room and
		2) the snakes are venomous as compared to non venomous and
		3) You are the one who takes care of the injuries incurred
		   from the snakes.
Jean Ann
From: Mike Monello
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Remembering Dreams
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:34:14 GMT
Reply-To: monello@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sunny Orblando, Florida

I'm new to this group, but I find the subject fascinating.  Here's my dilemma: 
I often cannot remember my dreams when I wake up in the morning.  If I wake up
in the middle of a dream, I remember everything, but when my trusty alarm
buzzes me awake in the morning I can't recall a thing.  This may have something
to do with the fact that when I was little I suffered horrible nightmares for
several months, and I forced myself to repress my dreams.  What I'd really like
to know is what can I do to help me remember my dreams?

Thanks in advance,

Mike	        e-mail monello@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
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