HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler))
Subject: Re: Dr. Demento?
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:24:18 GMT

darrin@engin.umich.edu (Darrin P Cardani) writes:

>In article <1gtbh1INNkd1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) says:
>>
>>>In article <1992Dec18.033846.16676@netcom.com> fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon  
>>>(David Fiedler)) writes:
>>>> jay@ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> >Does anyone have a mailing address for Dr. Demento? 
>>>> Oh! You *wanted* it. OK: PO Box 884, Culver City, CA 90232.
>>Sorry, folks, but that's his old address from when he was syndicated by Westwood
>>One. I don't have his new one, but there's a demented group on the net
>The group is rec.music.dementia. They (we) will be more than happy to help you.

OK, so I was just over there, and they're giving the same address I did.

>						Darrin Cardani
>(If you don't get it there, drop me a line and I'll e-mail the info to you.)
>darrin@engin.umich.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
	<1992Dec21.160055.10641@microware.com> <Bznp8B.Iu6@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
	<5931@maserati.qsp.UUCP>
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:39:06

   From: danb@zx.qsp.UUCP (Daniel Benbenisty)
   Date: 23 Dec 92 20:38:27 GMT
   Organization: Quality Software Products, LA, CA

   David Morning writes:
   >
   >It'll overload with some pick-ups anyway. 30dB gain is far too much for a
   >puny 9 volt battery. I've got a 26dB first stage gain in my home made amp
   >running off 30 volts(!) and that clips occasionally with a Telcaster. 
   >A Telecaster's pick-ups aren't exactly in the megavolts category.
   >With 9 volts, it would positively *FUZZ*

Dave is correct.  A guitar preamp powered by a nine-volt battery needs zero
to just a little bit of voltage gain, unless distortion is a goal.

   1. the spec "30dB gain" has no implicit power requirements.  It just means 
   that you're multiplying the signal by 10^3 (1000) times.  

30dB (assuming it's a voltage gain spec) is a voltage gain of 32.

							     Now, the signal 
   from any pickup is pretty damn weak (anybody have any numbers?). Maybe I'm 
   wrong, but I wouldn't imagine that 1000 times this power would be beyond a 
   9V battery.

Sorry, you're wrong; a Strat typically puts out up to a couple volts peak
to peak on hard strums.

   2. The aforementioned home-made circuit is running off of 30V, but how 
   many amps does it draw?  Neglecting a battery's internal resistance, 
   you can still draw the same (or more) amps from a 9V source as from a 
   30V source.

The current drawn by the device is irrelevant to the discussion.
 
   >The input stage to an amp is generally resistive, so it's relatively 
   >trivial to make an op-amp do this, however the passive tone and volume
   >controls interact with the pick-up. I noticed he was a replacement pot 
   >would be supplied which suggests he hasn't taken this into account.
   >
   >I'm pretty certain this product WILL change your tone  :-)

   Hmmm, well, anyone on the net have a frenquency spectrum analyser? Is the 
   inventor of this device willing to have it subjected to scientific 
   scrutiny?

Good grief, none of that is necessary, this is just a wild claim and basic
electronics.  Some information about the device likely got garbled on the
way to that posting.

  -- Don


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From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Opinions of Cakewalk for Windows?
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:56:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgspd.gvg.tek.com

In article <1i12sgINNe6@athena.sdsu.edu>
                              larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:

>I don't think the capability exists to have individual tracks looping
>within themselves for user-defined intervals, e.g. you can't record
>a simple one measure drum track and just have it repeat over and over
>while the other tracks don't repeat.

I don't know about the Windows version, but Cakewalk 3.0 allows on to loop
specified measures of specified tracks a specified number of times (well,
up to 9998 times, anyway!).  I can't beleive that they removed this capability
from the Windows and Pro versions.

>Yes [global editing] capability exists.  It isn't trivial to do it though.
>But it's not that hard either.

I presume that you're refering to the Interpolation edit function?  Yes, it's
a bit tricky at first, but once one understands how it works, it's not very
difficult to use.  It can make one appreciate the Undo function!

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    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:56:27 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgspd.gvg.tek.com

In article <1992Dec29.143622.3538@erenj.com> srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott
Ferguson) writes about his failed attempts to implement a guitar preamp using
standard op amps, such as LM324s, and subsequent success using an LM386 power
amp, concluding that power delivery is a primary issue in such designs.

>Anyone wanna comment, and enlighten me if I misunderstand this?

Well, seeing as how he asked:  ;-)

I think that his initial efforts with the "standard" op amps were likely
flawed in design and/or implementation, and, when he changed to the simpler
to connect LM386, he succeeded in implementing a circuit that worked properly.
I find that his conclusion that "power delivery is more important than a
huge gain" is flawed.  His initial complaint was a low signal level from the
guitar and, by his own account, the LM386 delivered a voltage gain of 20.
(If you paid attention yesterday, you now know how to compute that this is
26 dB of voltage gain. ;-)  Concerning power delivery, the fact is that when
the input impedance of the device receiving this signal is high, such as is
the case for guitar amplifiers and mixer "line" inputs, power delivery is
simply not important.  Consider the following circuit, that models the
situation:

              o-/\/\/\-------------------+----> to subsequent circuits
signal source     Ro                     |
              o                          \
              |                          / Ri
            -----                        \
             ---                         /
              -                          |
                                       -----
                                        ---
                                         -

The "signal source" is a "raw" pickup or the output of a preamp or whatever,
Ro is the output impedance of the signal source, and Ri is the input
impedance of the next device.  Typically, Ri is quite large, tens or hundreds
of thousands of ohms to millions of ohms, resulting in low current flow,
which means that the power that must be delivered by the signal source is
low, too.  If it's capable of delivering a significant amount of power,
that's OK, but the fact is that, because it is "looking into" a relatively
high impedance load, it simply doesn't deliver that power, and the relatively
expensive components from which it was built are not used to their full
potential.

-- 
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Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: bonobo@Ingres.COM (David Victor)
Subject: Opinions of Cakewalk for Windows?
Keywords: cakewalk,sequencers
Reply-To: bonobo@Ingres.COM (David Victor)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:39:57 GMT

Anybody out there using Cakewalk for Windows?  At $159 (or something like
that) it seems pretty reasonably-priced.  I currently have regular vanilla
DOS Cakewalk, and I've found it to cover about 90% of the things I need to
do.

Some specific questions: 

1) Is there any provision yet for "loop" recording (a la any drum
machine ever made!! ;-)

2) Can you globally edit events (volume, pitch, etc.)

Thanks for any info!

-David Victor
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: andrews@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (John Andrews)
Subject: Re: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 19:33:38 GMT

till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman) writes:

>   From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson)
>   Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering Co.
>   Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:05:08 GMT

>   OK, so what is a good choice of low-noise op amp for typical guitar preamps
>   with single-source 9V? 

>Damn near anything.  :-) 

>Try a TL07x series, OP-27, NE5532, whatever; y'know anything actually
>designed for audio work.  

>Personally, I don't like the sound of op-amp circuits because of all the
>usual high feedback and clipping issues (motto: "op-amps are for weenies"),
>so I use a low distortion discrete FET circuit instead.

>  --  Don

The op amps you mentioned are for dual supplies, aren't they?  There are few
op amps designed for a single supply.  Are you assuming that someone can
create an artificial ground with a 9V battery and use +/- 4.5 volt "supplies"?
How well would this work?

--
John Andrews (andrews@csrd.uiuc.edu) "He who dies with the shortest .sig, wins"
Graduate Research Assistant, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.marketplace
From: elil@sco.COM (Eli Liang)
Subject: Microphone comparisons
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:12:52 GMT


My wife is in the market for a new mic.  She has looked at a few
and feels the Beyer M-88 "road" model is nice and she has used it
before so it is familiar.  She can get a new one for $325-340.
However a musician friend has offered her a 5 month-old AKG C1000S
for $175.  She doesn't know anything about the C1000S except from
her friend's comments.  He lives in another state so going to
see the mic is not practical.  Could anyone tell us how these two
compare?  My wife sings a lot of R&B-style music.

Thanks,

Eli Liang

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
	<1992Dec30.150508.19815@erenj.com>
	<TILL.92Dec30110737@acid-rain.lucid.com>
	<1992Dec30.193338.17203@csrd.uiuc.edu>
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:45:58

   From: andrews@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (John Andrews)
   Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
   Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 19:33:38 GMT

   till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman) writes:

   >   From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson)
   >   Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:05:08 GMT

   >   OK, so what is a good choice of low-noise op amp for typical 
   >   guitar preamps with single-source 9V? 

   >Damn near anything.  :-) 

   >Try a TL07x series, OP-27, NE5532, whatever; y'know anything actually
   >designed for audio work.  

   >Personally, I don't like the sound of op-amp circuits because of all the
   >usual high feedback and clipping issues (motto: "op-amps are for 
   >weenies"), so I use a low distortion discrete FET circuit instead.

   The op amps you mentioned are for dual supplies, aren't they?  

Yep, I believe so.
								  There are
   few op amps designed for a single supply.  

Right.
					      Are you assuming that someone 
   can create an artificial ground with a 9V battery and use +/- 4.5 volt
   "supplies"?   How well would this work?

Yep, for this application the single supply is not a big deal.  It's far
more important that you have an amp with low noise, low distortion, and
is stable.  

  -- Don
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
	<5931@maserati.qsp.UUCP> <1hoflbINNjj8@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com>
	<1992Dec29.143622.3538@erenj.com>
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:29:34

   From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson)
   Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering Co.
   Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:36:22 GMT

   I was building a 9-volt preamp for my accoustic-electric, which was
   putting out REALLY low signal. It was so low that I couldn't use it.

   I tried using some standard op amps I had laying around, like the LM324
   quad, and had no luck. I tried all kinds of gains, up into the
   thousands, with no luck.

Most acoustic guitar pickups, the piezoelectric bridge jobs anyway, put out
roughly 0.5 to 1.0 volt peak-to-peak for a hard strum.  By itself this is
usually plenty of voltage to drive any guitar amp or mixer (it's roughly the
same output level as a Rickenbacker guitar with toaster-top pickups) except
that the impedance is very high, and so the sound quality is greatly
improved with a preamp.  Only a little gain is needed though; 12dB at the
most.

Though you've told us nothing specific about your experimental preamp, I'll
venture a guess that either the design of your preamp was incorrect or there
was a construction error that kept it from working.  Or the LM324 was dead.

Also, the LM324 is a pretty horrible opamp to use for audio or musical
applications for all the typical noise, high frequency, and distortion
reasons. 

   Then I tried the simplest thing of all, an LM386 1/2-watt audio power
   amp and two coupling capacitors. I used the default voltage gain of 20,
   and lo and behold I've got great signal coming from my guitar. I suppose
   that means that the op amp has to be capable of delivering current, and
   the 324 just wasn't suited for it. 

No, it means that there was a mistake in the 324 circuit.  The input
impedance of most guitar amplifiers is around 1M ohm -- the LM324 would have
little difficulty driving hundreds of these loads simultaneously.
				      
				      So, power delivery is more important
   than a huge gain.  

Nope, power delivery is completely irrelevant and gain should be minimal.

  -- Don
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: birkelan@atelm.sps.mot.com (Joel Birkeland)
Subject: Schematics for effects
Keywords: schematics
Reply-To: birkelan@atelm.sps.mot.com (Joel Birkeland)
Organization: Motorola SPS
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:07:55 GMT

I would like to know if there are schematics around for electronic
effects such as reverb, chorus, tube pre-amps for distortion, etc....
If anyone knows of a good book or publication, I would appreciate it.

I don't see any reason I couldn't make stuff as good as what is
commercially available.

Thanks.

Joel Birkeland
birkelan@atelm.sps.mot.com
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: ==> +30db GAIN Circuit for Your Guitar: $25 <==
Date: 22 Dec 92 10:31:23 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

alexs@microware.com (Alex Stagg) writes:

>In article <9212182117.AA01210@floyd.cca.cr.rockwell.com>, barothwe@floyd.cca.cr.rockwell.com writes:
>|> 
>|> I wanted to make anyone who is interested aware...
>|> 
>|> 	A local service tech has come up with a really slick circuit
>|> that will add 30 db of gain to your signal!
>|> 
>|> 		o  +30db og PURE GAIN
>|> 		o  DOES NOT change your tone
>|> 
>How can this claim be made if the tone is dependent on the impedance
>interaction of the pickups with the amp input stages? Won't inserting
>the device change the loading, and thereby the tone?

>Which way is it folks?

It'll overload with some pick-ups anyway. 30dB gain is far too much for a
puny 9 volt battery. I've got a 26dB first stage gain in my home made amp
running off 30 volts(!) and that clips occasionally with a Telcaster. 
A Telecaster's pick-ups aren't exactly in the megavolts category.
With 9 volts, it would positively *FUZZ*

The input stage to an amp is generally resistive, so it's relatively trivial
to make an op-amp do this, however the passive tone and volume controls
interact with the pick-up. I noticed he was a replacement pot would be supplied
which suggests he hasn't taken this into account.

I'm pretty certain this product WILL change your tone  :-)

Dave

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: M02449@mwvm.mitre.org (Joe Gems)
Subject: Re: Music writing s/w
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:05:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.192808.12007@nntp.nta.no>
styri@hal.nta.no (Haakon Styri) writes:
 
>
>This may be a FAQ (and the Followup-To header is set accordingly), but I
>need some advice on buying a soundcard and software for writing music.
>
>My home computer is an ol' 16MHz 386SX with a plain color VGA monitor.
>I'm using Windows 3.0, but I don't need to use it for this application.
>That will probably rule out some of the more fancy systems. Anyway, I
>don't need anything really fancy - I just want to write, play back and
>print out music when arranging for a choir. The system must handle 8
>voices, and I want to be able to select any combination of the voices
>for playing back. I want to write the lyric lines and other stuff around
>the lines using the same system. And, I want to be able to write any
>language with proper characters. Printing should at least be postscript.
>
>One problem I've noticed with music editors is that they really write
>music for keyboard playing. I want to be able to control the notation.
>
>Usually input will be mouse and the PC keyboard, but I do like the
>idea of feeding the system from a synth using midi. I may want to use
>a separate midi-controller for that, so it's not a must that the
>sound board is equipped for this. I really don't need to control
>the sound-board from midi.
>
>Other `musts' are editor transpose, and sound-board pitch-control
>from editor mode. Anyway, what I need is something not too expensive,
>but still something that works for real.
>
>---
>Haakon Styri
 
Two packages I'm familiar with that you might find suitable:
 
   Music Prose (by Coda) - this is a scaled-down version of Finale, with all
   the vital stuff retained. lists for $249 ... can definitely do all that
   you want, but requires Windows (possibly even 3.1!), and would probably
   run like a snail on your 386SX.
 
   SongWright 5.1 - this is a DOS package, available for around $100, that
   may be able to fill your needs (but in some ways is oh soooo naive).
 
Hope this helps -- Joe
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: guy@harlqn.co.uk (Guy Snape)
Subject: Urgent! Lyrics request...
Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:24:43 GMT

Sorry, I know this probably isn't the right place for this, but I need
the lyrics for the old Elvis song "You were always on my mind" soon!
(ie today or tomorrow if possible!)  PLEASE could someone mail them to
me.

I tried on alt.guitar.tab to no avail. 

First time I read this group... liked the stuff about singing.

Cheers,

-------------------------	           Guy Snape
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From: purelght@deeptht.armory.com (Eric Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.makers.bass,rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: FOR SALE -> OTARI/SOUNDCRAFT
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:59:51 GMT
Reply-To: purelght@armory.com
Organization: Eric Braun Associates/PureLight Inc.

FOR SALE:
---------

*** OTARI MX5050 8-track reel-to-reel
excellent condition
includes rack and alignment tapes

$2500 - negotiable

*** SOUNDCRAFT 200 DELTA Mixing Console
Brand New
  8 channels IN
  4 channels OUT
  6 aux busses

sells for $3000 new
$2500 - negotiable

CALL 718-544-6069 for information - ask for George
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+-------------------------------------+
| Eric Braun	purelght@armory.com   |
+-------------------------------------+
From: ada@zip.larc.nasa.gov (Anthony Arviola)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Windows sequencing software wanted
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:10:46
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: zip.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: jjh@col.hp.com's message of 23 Dec 1992 19:26:45 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 39fd51fbdf6216711563272a52cffd72

   stefan@sinus.stgt.sub.org (Stefan Bechtold) writes:
   > 
   > I'm interested in some Sequenzing software for Ms-Windows. Which
   > program would you recommand ?

   Cakewalk Professional for Windows

This is a very powerful software.  I just got it my self.  My only complaint
so far is that it does not allow me to globally adjust velocities.  Instead, 
I have to draw a velocity curve on a graphic interface.  But over all, it is
great.  If you are familiar with windows, than most of the features are
intuitive, and the graphical features make life easy.  In one case, I wanted
to increase the tempo in a song.  It was as easy as drawing a tempo curve with
a mouse.  I especially like their sysex support.  You can define your own 
sysex messages for synths not included in their set (like old synths like my
Elka EM44).  This is great software if you can afford it.  See if you can get
a demo at a local store.

Happy New Year,
Tony
Newsgroups: wstd.music,rec.music.makers
From: LindaMc@world.std.com (Linda M McInnis)
Subject: 1 hr. FREE Music Management in Cambridge
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:23:31 GMT


If you're a musician (any kind) and you want some help
evaluating where you're going from a business point of
view, I'll give you an hour of business consulting free
in exchange for lunch.

I've booked people into all the major clubs in the
Massachusetts/New Hampshire.Vermont continuum and I
have successfully marketed and run my own 
consulting business for 10 years (resume available
upon request!!). I currently manage three bands and
two solo acts.

I'm doing this at the suggestion of a net-person that
responded to one of my postings and I think it's a
great idea-I get to meet some talented musicians,
have a great lunch and give back a little of what
I've gotten.

Happy Holidays!

Linda McInnis
noBULL Management