HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Real life facts about insurance companies
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:50:17 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgspd.gvg.tek.com

In article <1993Jan17.202532.14461@adobe.com>
                           cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

>I have yet to hear anyone say that an insurance company accused them of
>fraud. Therefore, your argument that the insurance companies are simply
>protecting themselves due to fraudulent claims is moot.

This logic is flawed in several ways.

	1) Simply because nobody has reported that they have been accused
	   of fraud, does not mean it has not happened.

	2) It probably is quite rare for an insurance company representative
	   to accuse anyone of fraud outside of the context of legal
	   proceedings.  They are not stupid, and I am certain that they
	   understand the meaning of libel, as well as the value of not
	   letting on that they recognize fraudulent claims prior to those
	   proceedings.

	3) I think that most readers would be reluctant to report their own
	   attempts to submit fraudulent claims.

Do you intend to say that no fraud is ever committed on the part of the
insurance industry's customer base when submitting claims?

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    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
From: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Removing rear wheel, BMW R100
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:08:30 GMT
Reply-To: drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp
Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand

In article 23649@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.144447.25538@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> jgd@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (
>Jerome Donovan) writes:
>>
>>
>>This one may be for you "form vs function" people.
>>
>>I had a flat rear tire on my 1978 R100/7.  Inner tube
>>on an aluminum wheel.  Trying to inflate with my hand
>>pump didn't help any, so I rode it home only about
>>five miles.
>>
>>The owners manual literaly describes removing the
>>rear wheel as "childs play", which it was however,
>>getting that rear wheel out from under the bike
>>requires the removal of the rear fender, removal of
>>the fender requires removal of the rear light assembly.
>>
>>Half an hour later I can finally throw the bloody thing
>>in my trunk so I can have it repaired because I can't
>>get the tire off of the wheel.
>>
>>My question:  Is there an easier way to remove this rear
>>wheel, short of hoisting or jacking up the bike?
>
>Yes, the easiest way to remove the rear wheel is to remove the
>front wheel.  Yeah, I know that sounds hokey, but here's how you
>do it:
>
>Set the bike up on the center stand.  With a stout strap or rope,
>secure the center stand to the front forks or your crossover pipe.
>Remove the front wheel being careful to not get the spacers, washers
>and bearings in dirt.
>
>Lean the bike over like a knealing horse.  This raises the rear
>end considerably.
>
>Remove the rear axle nut and remove the axle.  Carefully slide the
>wheel out the now larger opening.
>
>This was the way our former chief wrench taught us to do it at a club
>tech session many years ago.  I had a '77 R100/7 and it worked like
>a champ when I needed to put on new tires.
>
>Arnie Skurow


I find a combination of carful manipulation of the wheel, and extreme violence
works quite well and obviates (can you say dictionary?) the need to lean the bike
over at all.  This may depend on the tire size you use.

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp   TSSC New Zealand Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60           1940 Indian 741B
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rising Insurance Charges versus decreasing Accident Rate (U.K)
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 21:02:51 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits
Keywords: insurance, accidents

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:

> 
> Last weeks U.K. Motorcycle News carried a story about how the
> number of motorcycle deaths in this country had virtually halved
> over the last five years, making motorcyclists the only group
> of road-users to have met the governments targets for reducing
> deaths on the road - only the targets were intended to be achieved
> in something like five years time.
> 
> What I want to know is this - why, when the number of deaths is dropping,
> and also presumably the accident rate, is the cost of motorcycle insurance
> going through the roof?? Are insurance companies making fortunes out
> of us?? Were we getting our insurance on the cheap before?? Is it the cost
> of all the plastic fairings on our racer-reps that we are paying for??
> Is it the increasing numbers of machines being stolen?? 
> 
> Anyone out there got any answers??


No, but i suggest you look at the average cost per claim, and see if that 
has gone up or not. 

In addition, just because the total number of accidents has decreased, it 
does not mean that the average number of accidents per rider has 
decreased, only that there are less riders (and less insurance premiums 
to cover the cost).

You may find that although you have less riders, that they are having the 
same number or more accidents, and /or the accidents they are having are 
getting increasingly more costly, due at least in part to the conditions 
you mentioned.


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | Why do Englishmen drink warm beer?
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | They all have Lucas refrigerators.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: Re: Its off to the basement we go
Organization: Starved Photo-Linux Hackers Association
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:12:06 GMT

Boy am I glad that I live in Florida.  I have never tried stairs
with my Sabre, but I have had to move it into a moving truck once.
It was a last minute thing, so I did not have any wood to make a
ramp.  It took 6 people to get it into the truck and the same 6 to
get it out again.  That really sucked.  

It probably still weighs greater than 400 pounds though.  I would
think that you should have some plan for getting it out before
bringing it in.  

What are you rebuilding on it?  Just curious.

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From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: 1983 Yamaha Virago 500 question 
Distribution: world
Organization: Not much.
Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:17:51 +0000


In article <1993Jan21.192241.2477@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dlubell@.engr.trinity.edu writes:
>I have the same bike and it now has 20k on the odometer.  The only recurring
> problem I have
>had is with warmup.  When cold and idling, one cylinder doesn't like to fire
> and so far
>has proven too be incurable nuisance but tolerable with patient warming.
> Lately the
>starter has been talking back with some rude noises.  I have been told that is
> normal
>with the Virago's, for starters to go out.  All in all, I have thought it to be
> a great
> low-mainteanance bike and strong enough for my needs.
>
>
>                                        Dan
>                                If I had a .sig, I'd been one of you.  What fun
> would that be?
>


Why don't you have enough brains to keep your lines to a sensible length.

Hasn't anybody ever told you that size isn't important?

Tony

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From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wartime Spagthorpe
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:03:35 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1993Jan26.205038.2051@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>Has anyone been keeping track of the pieces of the Spagthorpe puzzle, as they
>have appeared on the net, including the details of Spagthorpe's origins
>(both real and really in our minds)? I would be most grateful to have
>the whole story, should I ever be querried on this topic again.
>

Jody is now the proud recipient of about 25 Spagthorpe news flash bulletins!

The Spagthorpe archive has been maintained for just such an eventuality <!!>

;-)



Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
                BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6
                          Columbus, Ohio USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Flash)
Subject: Tank Bag Monopole Magnets
Summary: was: Re: Courier bag:  Do you have one?
Originator: dab@space3
Keywords: Spagthorpe
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:05:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.212815.461@pages.com> bigdog!jon (Jon Wright) writes:
>I asked somebody at MotoPort about this and they said the ceramic magnets,  
>which were more powerful than the previous metalic ones, were also polarized or
>uni-directional or something, which prevented screwing up your disks and cards. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Monopole Magnet(tm) was first pioneered by Jillian Spaghtorpe, Lord
Julian's sister.  In theory, the single pole magnet extends its magnetic
field in only one direction.  This enables the magnet to "stick" to the
tank while not erasing credit card stripes, disks, et cetera.  However,
if one removes the bag from the tank, the mag field reaches out to infinity.
If not pointed toward the center of the earth, the magnets on the bag become 
stealth degaussers, destroying hysterisis in oxide coatings for hundreds of
feet in the direction in which it is pointed.  The material used today is a
special psychoceramic, said to be invented by a crack-pot rogue inventor.
The initial project proved a failure when Jillian discovered that Julian was 
using aluminium petrol tanks.  Despondent at her wasted effort, she turned a 
water cooled experimental high power monopole on herself.  Having ridden 
slowly and taken Geritol, her blood was iron rich and her entire brain was 
degaussed.  She remains a sad but drooling shadow of her former self, whose
speech is only intelligible to Stephan Hawking.

>I guess the next obvious question is, "How do you know if they're polarized or 
>not?"

Just look for the JBS logo on the magnet itself.  Or else, turn it around and
see if it still sticks to the tank.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Nationalized Lawyers  was Re: pitch for nat'l health, was: etc
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:50:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In rec.motorcycles npet@bnr.ca (Neil Harrington) writes:
;Hey, in this (admittedly small in comparison and strange in behaviour) we have
;a wonderful postal service and a good National Health Service (I speak from
;my own experiences).
;
;So what's the problem?  Bad at organising?  Social Responsibility a little
;difficult to grasp?

No, Americans are just not nearly as good at being force-fed
fecal matter and begging for more as are Brits.

It's something about the difference between "citizens" and 
"subjects" I guess.

---
chris
oh boy, am i gonna get flamed now...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: alex@csn.org (ALEX MATTHEWS)
Subject: Re: That Rider squid survey
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:50:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.164700@tiger1.prime.com> gavin@tiger1.prime.com (Dave Gavin) writes:
> 
>Noticed that the latest issue of motorcyclist makes a reference to 
>squids in its reader report of the kawa ZX-11. did they coin the 
>phrase...did the net coin the pgrase...anyone know where the term
>squid came from?

The net didn't invent it, but we certainly refined the term.  The
term predates my riding years -- I have a 1986 Cycle XXX magazine
which makes reference to "yuppie prepoid dingdong squids."  Can
any of the *old* farts top that?

Also, I have the 1985 Cycle magazine buyer's guide.  I can send you 
a copy of whatever pages you desire.  I might have the Motorcyclist
magazine guides for '86 onward.


-- 
- Alex Matthews  (new address: alexm.csn.org)

  "A typical Grand Prix race.  High noon.  Tension mounts.  Throttles clench."
                        Patricia Zonker, _Murdercycles_
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Re; Nat'l Health Plan (Was: Re: Lance Holst is a Jerk)
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:41:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.064000.24761@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:

>>We have provincial motor vehicle insurance. I know, sounds communist to
>>you. I enshure my GSXR-1100 for $617 Canadian for the year. This gives
>>me no fault insurance with 200,000 third party liability etc., but no
>>fire or theft. Can you get this for under $500 US.  
>
>I wish I could get this kind of coverage.  I *really* wanted a 600-750 sport-
>bike but the insurance premiums were prohibitive.  The price of posing ...

     My Harleys cost $124 and $128 per year.


Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)
doh 0000005774 

'57 FL '76 XLCH  My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


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From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Subject: Topcase (trunk) ad info WANTED
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:53:20 GMT

I recently (~6 mo.) saw an ad/new product announcement in
one of the popular Moto rags for a small topcase (trunk)
that was supposed to have a locking system to attatch it to
any "standard" luggage rack with tubular bars. Being
interested in the concept, I promptly forgot to cut out and
save the ad. Any pointers? Anyone heard of such a thing?
----
Mark Bergman	'77 KZ1000  (Biker, Stagehand, (former) Unix user support grunt)
Brooklyn, NY
718-855-9148

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)
Subject: Re: Radian Oil Change
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:21:01 GMT
Organization: InForm Group Ltd.
Keywords: Radian

In article <vci06d0@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, iyer@juju.wpd.sgi.com (Mahadevan Iyer) writes:
> If you have a Radian (Yamaha 86 600 cc) and have done an oil 
> change on it please read on:
> 
> I removed the drain plug and the oil filter bolt and let the
> oil drain. I reinstalled the drain plug & the oil filter bolt
> 
> BUT I found this thin metal washer lying in the oil pan and
> am not quite sure where it goes. I think it goes inside the
> filter casing, on the filter bolt , between the spring and
> the head of the bolt.
> 
> Do you know if this is correct ??
> 
> Thanks

Almost correct. It goes on the other end of the spring, where it touches
the rubber bit in the middle of the filter. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I had some work done on my bike by a bike shop recently, and when I did my next
filter change I noticed they had lost the washer and it wasn't in there. I
left it out no worries at all. If you like, you can post me yours :-)

FYI, The Radian motor is identical to the XJ/FJ/FZ600's.

Mike

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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Toys
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:01:59 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan25.185651.13787@sdc.com> kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki) writes:
>Whilst playing with a Hot Wheels motorcycle that Santa Claus
>brought to our 21 month old son, I got to reminiscing about some
>of the motorcycle toys I played with as a youth.  I have two
>remembrances:
>    A battery powered dark blue machine with a rider permanently
>    molded in black plastic into a sitting position.  He was
>    removable from the bike but as he was in a permanent crouch,
>    it was rather pointless.  As I recall, the bike didn't track
>    straight lines very well, but I loved it anyway.
>    The infamous Evel Knievel stunt bike.  Man, that thing was
>    great.  I got it to the point where it would wheelie all the
>    way down the driveway (about 30 or 40 feet).  As I recall, I
>    also had the travel camper and used to jump Evel over it, and
>    when cooperative, the family dog too (the dog didn't like it
>    too much when Evel didn't quite make it over him).  I have
>    no idea how the bike managed to stay together after being
>    crashed as many times as it was.
>The Hot Wheels bike is kind of fun, although not nearly as fun
>as the Evel Knievel bike.  It's hot pink and strongly resembles
>a K75S.  My son loves to watch it scoot across the kitchen floor.
>Any else remember fun toys from their youth?

H.O. gauge motorcycles that ran on a H.O. gauge electric slot car track. I
was given some that were made in Germany by an aunt and uncle who live there
back in 1969. Of course being only 7 years old back then, I promptly tore them
up. Gawd, I wish I had them today, I've been told collectors will pay up to 
$100 for those old ones.
-- 
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Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: MSF Computer Challenge FAQA
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:54:11 GMT
	<1993Jan22.213409.19258@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 21:34:09 GMT

1) It runs under MS-DOS version 3.3 or greater on Intel 808[68] |
   80[1-4]86 PCs and emulators.  Maybe older versions of DOS will
   work as well but they have not been tested.  It requires that an
   ANSI driver be installed.  It is written in C with a little
   in-line assembler to deal with timer interrupts and keyboard
   i/o.  The program was designed and written by John Alesse and me
   for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation

2) It is available from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, Irvine
   CA Communications Dept. (714) 727-3227 or via anonymous FTP from
   cerritos.edu.  Retrieve the file "SKILL.ZIP" binary FTP and use
   an "unzipper" to extract the files.  PKUNZIP.EXE and other
   programs for archive extraction are available from pc program
   archives, bulletin boards, and anonymous ftp sites throughout the
   world.

3) There is no Unix version, Mac OS version, VMS version, or any other
   non-PC version at this time.  The source is not included in the
   distribution.  MSF owns the source code and may make it available
   for doing a port on a non-disclosure basis as long as the resulting
   program can be distributed for free or at cost by the MSF.  Contact
   Julie Filatoff at the MSF if you want to do a port.
--
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Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wartime Spagthorpe
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:50:38 GMT
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

Just the other day, I was walking down the street, on the ice, when a passer
by tapped me on the shoulder. I was horrified, for a moment, as I thought
the he would ask me for the time. As I do not wear a watch, this would
have been most embarassing. I was most relieved when the gentleman did ask
his question, for it was, "Excuse me, what's a Spagthorpe?"

I managed to recount several stories relating to the lengendary marque, but
I'm sure that there were many inaccuracies and that I was missing many
important points.

Has anyone been keeping track of the pieces of the Spagthorpe puzzle, as they
have appeared on the net, including the details of Spagthorpe's origins
(both real and really in our minds)? I would be most grateful to have
the whole story, should I ever be querried on this topic again.

BTW, it is drawings of Spagthorpes that should appear in the corners of the
bandanas.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: PBs reply (was Re: Fascist EC is at it again (EC bans tuning))
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:27:51 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

>>
>
>Don't worry about posting it, the yanks can handle it.! :-)
>





Okay, okay I will post it, it's nothing special:

This is PBs reply to CycleWorlds down to PB for dragging his knee
while cloaked in tartan hat, dress & bike.

"Spotted in US mag 'Cycle World' by Chris Dale of Yiewsley. 
The US is the most repressed nation on earth - everyone
is required by law to love god, own a gun, and be 
extremely fat. America would be a nice place to 
to live if it weren't for the Yanks."
















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Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.