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From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:36:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.064408.28210@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca>
mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) writes:
>  Since the CRTC has essentially regulated most aspects of the
>Canadian telephone system in the past, why not make the *local*
>telephone system a municipal responsability?

     If we do this, you are going to have to pay for your phone in one
of the following manners:

	  a) Local taxes will support the local phone system.  This
	     would be a real burden in small municipalities,
	     particularly in remote ones.
          b) You would receive a monthly bill covering your fair share
	     of the cost of the local system.  This could either be done
	     on a single fee basis or you could be assessed a fee for
	     each local phone call.  Again, this would result in unfairly
	     high bills in smaller municipalities.  (On a per capita
	     basis, their local systems cost more.  I can't see any way
	     to turn over the phone system to the municipalities that
	     gets around this fact unless you want to get into the messy
	     business of the province pushing around money.)

Are you really sure that this is what you want?
     Besides, the local/long distance dichotomy is not as clear from a
technical standpoint as it is from a billing and politics one.  Long
distance traffic has to spend some time on local lines.  (After all, it
has to get to your phone.)  I honestly don't see what's wrong with the
way our system works now.  The telephone has become a basic service.
Our system of long distance subsidies to local traffic has made that a
reality throughout the nation, rather than just in the cities.  There
are other ways to achieve the same political objective, but I can't
think of one that is as elegantly simple as this.

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general,tor.general,mi.misc
From: jfreirec@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca (Jose Freire-Canosa)
Subject: New York Traffic Violations
Organization: Ontario Hydro
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:03:53 GMT

I am posting this for a friend, sorry about the previous mess-up:

Does anyone know if there is any arrangement between the Province
of Ontario and the State of New York wrt traffic violations? 

I was stopped for speeding on Interstate 90, going 130 km/h 
(Highway 90 is a 55 mph zone). The traffic on the highway was
very light and I was in a hurry for other reasons but I am not
asking for understanding. 

At home, I followed the instructions and sent in the notice of 
violation andsigned it guilty, but included a letter of 
explaination stating among other things that this was my first
violation in six years of driving and asked them to be lenient.
The town court answered with a rough, photocopied letter, with 
a hand written message that the fine was $100 in US funds but that
I could plea bargain it with the Assistant District Attorney.

I went ahead and wrote the ADA a short letter and included my 
previous letter of explaination.  I just got the reply saying that
they will remove the charge of 6 points, because of no violations 
in the previous 3 years --but-- that I must pay the reduced charge 
of $200 + $25 surcharge!!  On top of that he wants me to send the 
conviction stub of my license with a stamped self-addressed 
envelope!! To my knowledge the only stub I could send them is the
organ donor consent or the change of address stub. 

I am thinking of just paying the original fine of $100 US funds
but I am not sure if I should or even if I would be off the hook
if I do. 

I appreciate your help, thanks in advance      ...Andrew
From: mike@nttor.uucp (Mike Hollander)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Pride in ones' Country eh?
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:17:52 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Northern Telecom CAC

In article <BxpsE9.4F1@ecf.toronto.edu> cces@ecf.toronto.edu (Congress of Can Eng Students) writes:
...
>
>On November 12th, the day after Remembrance Day, I went to Yorkdale Shopping
>Centre to purchase a suit.  I was walking out to my car infront of the mall
>(the side facing the highway) and I just happened to look up to the roof of
>the mall and to my horror...THE CANADIAN FLAG WAS FLYING AT HALF MAST UPSIDE
>DOWN!!
>
...

Since flying a flag upside down is the internationally recognized
symbol of distress, and since retail sales have been down lately
due to the recession, it is reasonable to assume that Yorkdale
is in distress and is trying to get your attention. :)

--
Mike Hollander | mike@nttor.UUCP
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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 15:15:34 EST
From: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: ont.general,tor.general
Subject: Drummer needed.

Greetings netters,

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From: Digger@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Digger)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:19:05 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

>Make all of Canada a local phone call.

 M>   Works for me.
 M>   I wish I could remember which sf author talked about the earth
 M> being turned into a local calling area on Dec. 31, 1999.

That was Clarke in 2061...

Rick.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: ont.general
From: landolt@nexus.yorku.ca (Paul Landolt)
Subject: Re: New York Traffic Violations
Organization: York University
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:08:34 GMT

jfreirec@ohgpu.hydro.on.ca (Jose Freire-Canosa) writes:

>Does anyone know if there is any arrangement between the Province
>of Ontario and the State of New York wrt traffic violations? 

To forestall anyone saying, "take it to rec.autos.driving", I know, but
this is a canadian specific thing.

All border states have treaties with Canadia, so, if you get a moving
violation there, it will show up on your Provincial driving record.

$100 fine plus 6 points, or $225 and your insurance will never know about it.
They are Blackmailing you. so, Pay the $225.  If you have a ticket on
your insurance record, the next one will jump your rates.  In Toronto, $100
is a small price to pay, since it may cost you $1000-$1500 a year in the
future.

11th Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Get Caught.  Read It. Know it. Live It.

-- 
J. Paul Landolt - Guest of:         | If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
York University - Toronto, Canaidia | ...unless you're a consultant  
+1 416 736 5257                     | ----------------------------------
InterNet: landolt@nexus.yorku.ca    | My opinions. All mine. So sue me.
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: can
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Nov16.064408.28210@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca>,
mcr@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Michael Richardson) writes:
|>Canadian telephone system in the past, why not make the *local*
|>telephone system a municipal responsability?

The B in BNR is for BELL - I am connected with them.

Remember all of those European countries where the government runs the
phone systems? UK, Italy, Germany?  Horrid service, long waits for
phones, lease your modem only from the PTT (Post, Telegraph, Telephone)?  

I think that the government-regulated private monopoly is a good way of
delivering services.  The government agency (CRTC) feels free to
criticize Bell Canada and set standards of service that are very high. 
And Bell has to deliver, or the CRTC will give it a hard time.  A
government agency (of any level) won't respond the same way to criticism
from another government agency.  In fact, government agencies generally
regard it as unfair to publically criticize other agencies.

Many of Canada's phone companies are or have been government owned by
the provinces, BTW.  Alberta Government Telephones is now privatized as
Novatel, I think.  NBTel is still government, maybe. 

The CRTC wasn't able to regulate the provincial phone companies as
effectively, due to jurisdictional issues.
                                               
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       Legislated morality is the enemy of true morality
Newsgroups: ont.sf-lovers
From: dbrown4@mach1.wlu.ca (david brown s)
Subject: Guy Gavriel Kay Reading
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Guy Kay reads at WLU
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:34:32 GMT
Keywords: Kay, fantasy

                  Guy Gavriel Kay Reading

Noted Canadian fantasy author Guy Gavriel Kay will be doing a reading
at Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo on Tuesday, December 1st,
from 12 noon to 1:30 pm in the Paul Martin Centre.
	Mr. Kay is the author of 'The Fionavar Trilogy' ('The Summer
Tree', 'The Wandering Fire', 'The Darkest Road'), 'Tigana', and
'A Song for Arbonne'. He collaborated with Christopher Tolkien on
'The Silmarillion'.
	There will be a question and answer period after the reading,
and Mr. Kay will sign his works.
	Sponsored by the Wilfrid Laurier University Bookstore and the
Wilfrid Laurier University Science Fiction Club.

Newsgroups: ont.sf-lovers
From: dbrown4@mach1.wlu.ca (david brown s)
Subject: Guy Gavriel Kay Reading
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Guy Kay reads at WLU
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:32:19 GMT
Keywords: Kay, fantasy

                  Guy Gavriel Kay Reading

Noted Canadian fantasy author Guy Gavriel Kay will be doing a reading
at Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo on Tuesday, December 1st,
from 12 noon to 1:30 pm in the Paul Martin Centre.
	Mr. Kay is the author of 'The Fionavar Trilogy' ('The Summer
Tree', 'The Wandering Fire', 'The Darkest Road'), 'Tigana', and
'A Song for Arbonne'. He collaborated with Christopher Tolkien on
'The Silmarillion'.
	There will be a question and answer period after the reading,
and Mr. Kay will sign his works.
	Sponsored by the Wilfrid Laurier University Bookstore and the
Wilfrid Laurier University Science Fiction Club

Newsgroups: ont.sf-lovers
From: dbrown4@mach1.wlu.ca (david brown s)
Subject: Guy Gavriel Kay Reading
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Guy Kay reads at WLU
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:35:26 GMT
Keywords: Kay, fantasy

                  Guy Gavriel Kay Reading

Noted Canadian fantasy author Guy Gavriel Kay will be doing a reading
at Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo on Tuesday, December 1st,
from 12 noon to 1:30 pm in the Paul Martin Centre.
	Mr. Kay is the author of 'The Fionavar Trilogy' ('The Summer
Tree', 'The Wandering Fire', 'The Darkest Road'), 'Tigana', and
'A Song for Arbonne'. He collaborated with Christopher Tolkien on
'The Silmarillion'.
	There will be a question and answer period after the reading,
and Mr. Kay will sign his works.
	Sponsored by the Wilfrid Laurier University Bookstore and the
Wilfrid Laurier University Science Fiction Club.

Newsgroups: ont.singles
From: brez8986@mach1.wlu.ca (James Brezina u)
Subject: WLU students all the same...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Still the same opiniion
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:49:21 GMT
Keywords: Excuse the heated language...

I must appologize for the slightly uncalled for language that appereared
in my last posting.  Don't get me wrong... I still hold the same
opinion but I guess I just flew off the handle a bit.  I'm just sick of 
people cutting Laurier up.  It's a good school.  Oh, and BTW why Trent?

Newsgroups: ont.singles
From: jellis@trentu.ca (John Ellis)
Subject: Re: WLU students all the same...
Summary: Whatever...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Not quite
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:19:00 GMT

In article <By4xH5.Gw1@mach1.wlu.ca>, brez8986@mach1.wlu.ca (James Brezina u) writes...
> 
>Well John, you must have had your head up your @ss while you were at
>Laurier.  If you would have taken the time to take a good look around you
>you may have noticed that there are more than Biz students there.  Some
>of us are there studying things such as computing or math, or even
>poli-sci.  And believe me, I am far from closed minded or snotty.
>(Just a little touchy when it comes to sweeping generalizations)

Actually, you're right James... Not everybody at Laurier is a Bizknob.  I 
did meet a couple of nice people in music, and a couple in science (though, 
I don't know why anybody would want to go to Laurier for science)  You are 
speaking to a bitter person.  I went to Laurier and I hated it, as you can 
probably tell.  Hell, my opinions are my own, and no matter how much you 
disagree with them, I'll stick by what I said.  I caught enough flak at 
Laurier for not subscribing to the generally mindless view which is quite 
common.  I'm sure there are exceptions, perhaps you're one of them...

> 
>To tell you the truth, I am quite offended at being referred to as
>a 'Western Wannabee' when the only thing I wannabee from Western is

Laurier biz students have a BIG chip on their shoulders when it comes to 
Western.  One of the chants we shouted during intro week there was, 
"Western Sucks!" in a feeble ego-boost attempt for having lived in 
Western's shadow for so long.  

Personally, I couldn't care less what you think about my "sweeping 
generalizations"  I said what I said because that's how I feel.  Censorship 
at Laurier is a big issue.  "Remember The Cord getting shut down for an 
article that was considered offensive?"   I don't know what happened the 
following year, but the year I was there, they tried to have the editor of 
The Cord fired for printing the article entitled "A Gay Man's Guide to 
Erotic SAFE Sex"  Hey, man, I always thought that a university newspaper 
was a forum where people could discuss issues in a mature, open-minded 
manner.  At Laurier, that is not the case.  You print something that the 
LSU doesn't like and they shut ya down.  Censorship, my friend.  

Je.


Newsgroups: ont.singles
From: coop4y44@bnr.ca (Robb Keayes)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:29:21 GMT


>From: doug.hewko@synapse.org
>
>>...Erik P. Trounce writes....
>>
>>EP.Well that was fun, see you later.  (Check out those Maclean's ratings!!)
>
>The Maclean's ratings mean nothing. Quoting the CHARLATAN;
>"  According to Ann Dowsett Johnston, editor in charge of Maclean's
>univeristy project, abstentions by certain universities ultimately
>affected their rating.
>  'They were put at the bottom of the list because it would be unfair
>to give them the average,' said Johnston.
> For each categorical omission, a university was given the lowest
>score in that category.
>  The Universite du Quebec's Montreal campus refused to answer the
>questionnaire because school administrators felt the questions were
>'inappropriate.' The university, which has campuses all over Quebec,
>returned the questionnaire, but without its biggest member
>participating.  It was ranked in last place among medium-sized
>universities."

>Professors at Carleton (now #6 out of 12 <g>) are using the survey as
>an example on how not to design a survey.  But then I guess this might
>be too advanced for people from a university named after an ABBA song..

>Now let's see this flame war really heat up! <g>

And now I put on my asbestos suit...

Well, I'm from Simon Fraser (SFU) and we were ranked #2 behind Waterloo.  I
think that if MacLean's incorporated the Sports Illustrated poll (That ranks
the overall beauty of the women (and perhaps men, in the spirit of equality) on
campus), then SFU would definitely come out ahead of those arrogant Waterloo
types.  Might teach the Engineers some humility, but likely not.

And what about Carelton?  They go up in tha rankings so the profs decide that
the methods used were not valid.  Sort of validates their ranking on the 
overall entrance requirements (and hence the intelligence) of the general
Carelton population.

Anyone care to defend their school?
Newsgroups: ont.singles
Subject: Re: HELLO??
From: pyan@ehd.hwc.ca (Just call me Ping...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:47:38 
Organization: Health and Welfare, Canada

In article <KIM.92Nov19191431@phaedrus.jts.com> kim@watnow.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>	<1992Nov08.224937.29984@mongrel.UUCP> <1992Nov14.145734.470@hpb.hwc.ca>
>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:14:31 GMT
>
>
>How about OARTS?  (say it out loud)...  :-)
>-- 
>T. Kim Nguyen                                       kim@jts.com
>Systems Design Engineer                       k.nguyen@ieee.org
>Document Imaging Systems                   uunet.ca!jts.com!kim
>JTS Computer Systems Ltd., Toronto      kim@watnow.uwaterloo.ca

It still sounds better than a (could be) similar name for Waterloo 
folks :-)


Newsgroups: ont.singles
From: stu1d46@bmerh255.bnr.ca (Erik P. Trounce)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:10:58 GMT

In article <49.2875.uupcb@synapse.org> doug.hewko@synapse.org (Doug Hewko)  writes:
>
><g> The universities not named after an ABBA song did not answer some
>questions because the questions should never have been asked in the
>first place. (I think you are right; the survey might have been too
>complicated for the universities named after an ABBA song.) For
>example, Cape Breton Univeristy did poorly because it received its
>charter in 1982 and did not yet have a reputation. That university's
>standing did not necessarily have anything to do with the quality of
>education.
>
I disagree with you completely here.  A university's reputation is an extremely
important thing when it comes to getting a job after university.  If an 
employer has heard good things about your school, and has had personal 
experience with graduates from your school, they will be much more likely to
consider an application from you.  For all I know, Cape Breton University may
have a higher quality of education than the University of Waterloo, but you
won't see world class companies (eg Microsoft Corp has hired more graduates
of Waterloo than from any other university) hiring many graduates from CBU.
So even if CBU offered a better engineering program than Waterlo, I wouldn't
want to go there because their reputation will not help me afterwards.

Reputation also help in attracting better profs, and better students, which 
hopefully will lead to a higher quality of education.

The survey was attempting to rate the universities on a wide basis and not 
simply on quality of education alone.  There are many points one has to
consider when choosing a university, and the Maclean's survey attempted to
address as many of them as possible.

Sorry, no university bashing today, I've got work to do.  I've got to impress
a possible future employer.

Erik.
Newsgroups: ont.singles
From: coop4y44@bnr.ca (Lorraine Galvin)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:16:55 GMT

In article <53.2875.uupcb@synapse.org>, doug.hewko@synapse.org (Doug Hewko)  writes:
|> From: doug.hewko@synapse.org
|
|> RK.Well, I'm from Simon Fraser (SFU) and we were ranked #2 behind Waterloo.  I
|> 
|> And I take it you are a prime example of the quality of students at 
|> SFU?  I hope not because even though my message spelled "Carleton" for 
|> you, you managed to still spell it incorrectly.  <g> 
|> 
|>                Doug

Actually, my "incorrect spelling" is due to an inability to type rather than
any spelling disability.  This deficiency is due primarily to being in 
Computing Science, which appears to have a disproportionate number of the
world's "2-finger typers" like myself.  SFU excels at many things: Archeology,
Business, Computing, Engineering, but typing is apparently not amongst them.
(The improper usage of punctuation is purely my own, and in no way reflects the
calibre of SFU in general :)

We don't hear much about Carleton out west, except for two things:
	1) They do journalism, apparently very well.
	2) The entrance requirements are amongst the lowest in Canada
We don't hear much about the results of this open-door policy and therefore have
to draw our own, perhaps unfounded, conclusions.  As a related note, SFU has
one of the highest entrance requirements in the country, but has one of the
highest drop-out rates as well.  I'm not sure what this says about the school
actually, but I'd be inclined to think it's not a good thing:  I suppose there's
pros and cons in any scheme (as I've already been made aware of :)

	-- Robb --
Newsgroups: ont.singles
From: jellis@trentu.ca (John Ellis)
Subject: Re: Hello
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:11:00 GMT

>What the heck did you take at Laurier?   I didn't sign up for any
>of those courses.

I was a 1st year BizKnob, as I assume you probably are given the general 
lack of originality in your posts.  One thing Laurier isn't is original.  
It's a university who's entire student body consists of people who are all 
exactly the same.  That is, a bunch of snotty, close-minded, Western 
Wannabees who sit around talking about new and exciting ways to make money 
at any cost.  Almost every extracurricular club you've got is centered 
around business.  

And the people... Ever seen anyone at Laurier who isn't white?  I think 
not.  And whatever you do, don't let anyone know you're gay at WLU.  You'll 
wake up the next morning (if you wake up, that is) staring at a bunch of 
idiots in white sheets and oxfords.

BTW, just a little side note:  Wilfrid Laurier University was originally 
known as Waterloo Lutheran University.  When the administration decided 
back in the 60's to change the name, they picked Wilfrid Laurier because 
they'd save hundreds of dollars on new letterhead.  WLU is the only 
university in Ontario that makes a profit.  And where does all that hard 
earned cash go?  Sure as hell not to improving the school or to starting 
new clubs for the students.  You have to wait five years at WLU before you 
can get any funding for a new club, just to give you an idea of how CHEAP 
WLU is.


>But if you mean Laurier isn't left-wing as all get out (which sounds
>like your real complaint) you're right.  And I hope it stays that
>way.

I'm sure you do.  Ignorance truly is bliss, isn't it?


John Ellis.
Trent University -- ranked higher on the Macleans poll than Laurier. 




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