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From: cwp@idtinc.UUCP (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Concept Package
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:10:29 GMT
Organization: Integrated Device Technology, Santa Clara

In article <1992Sep27.172512.29654@chpc.org> jimc@chpc.org (Jim Crocker) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any comments, good or bad, about the Concept
>Package from Cadence?  Our existing needs are quite simple:  We need
>a good schematic capture package that allows us to create a Verilog
>netlist for system simulations, and an Allegro netlist for PCB creation.
>
>Any comments you can offer concerning its strengths, weaknesses, etc.
>would be much appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jim Crocker
>Center for High Performance Computing of WPI, Marlborough, MA
>Internet: jimc@chpc.org  Tel: (508) 624-7400 x638

Sorry, I won't be much help. The only comment I can offer is that Cadence
is currently offering a beta test version of CBT (Computer Based
Training) of a tutorial for the Concept product. You do not need to have
the product on your system to run the tutorial. This way you could run a
quick evaluation of Concept to get a general idea about it. If you are
interested contect:

George Larsen
Cadence Design Systems
555 River Oaks Parkway
San Jose, CA 95135
MS 6A1
(408)944-7625
(408)894-0233 FAX
e-mail: larsen@cadence.com

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From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Vanguard to Allegro - Help
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:03:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: b4gdy03.mks-051092125416
Followup-To: comp.cad.cadence
Organization: Grass Valley Group

We are moving from Cadnetix to Allegro in the near future.  In
a year, we will move from Vanguard to Composer.  In the meantime,
I need a way to translate Vanguard schematics to Allegro.  The
Tallegro program appears to have some severe restraints on MNAME,
as well as some other gotcha's that make it undesireable.

Currently, we only send a netlist with SHAPE (JEDECTYPE or Land
Pattern), and reference designators to Cadnetix.  Evidently,
Allegro requires a few more parameters.  

If anyone has any ideas, it sure would be appreciated.

Mark Sanders
From: adrian@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (A Johnstone)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Xilinx and FPGAs ( second try )
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:14:11 GMT
Reply-To: adrian@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (A Johnstone)
Organization: Dept of Comp Sci, Royal Holloway & Bedford New College Uni London

Martin Colley of the University of Essex gave a talk at a recent EEUG meeting
on his home brewed symbols and models for Xylinx 3000 series devices which
he has built for Edge and Verilog. I'm hoping to get them soon and intend to
teach using them next year. I don't know how he feels about giving the stuff 
wider distribution.

                         Adrian
From: bz302@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vince Pirat)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: How do I print out waveforms from Cadence VHDL ?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 08:57:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


		Hello,

I'm currently working with CADENCE VHDL version 1.0 on a 
Sun Sparcstation II. I want to dump waveforms on the screen into 
a postscript file, using the print_waves command. But the only
thing I can get is an error message.
Here's the following sequence of instructions I use:

simulate -d work.test_inv.behv
VHDL-XL 1.0    Sep 29, 1992  09:58:34
  * Copyright Cadence Design Systems, Inc. 1990.          *
  *     All Rights Reserved.       Licensed Software.     *
  * Confidential and proprietary information which is the *
  *      property of Cadence Design Systems, Inc.         *

Elaborating ...
GRAPHICS 1.2b_beta.4
Simulating ... 
debug[1] stop_after 499 ns
debug[2] continue


simulation


Stopping at breakpoint 1 : stop_after 499 ns
debug[3] print_waves 10 ns 200 ns pic.ps
Error : Waves history for this interval not present
debug[4] 

How do I specify an interval ?? There is nothing in the manual (or
the on-line help) related to this.

o The snapshot program (in OpenWindows) doesn't work with 
the waveform window and gives a blank frame as a result.

o The 'screendump' program works fine but the conversion from the
raster file to a postscript file gives a rather weird result
on the paper.

Does anyone have any idea on this problem ?

				Sincerely yours,

					Vince.




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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: keiths@Cadence.COM (Keith Sabine)
Subject: Re: Clearing Errors in Diva
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:56:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.234026.24689@afterlife.ncsc.mil> acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:
>Simple question:
>
>Does anyone out there know of a way to clear the blinking
>error boxes in Diva?
>
>In other words, once you've finished viewing the errors,
>how do you get rid of the error boxes?
>

Just use this handy skill routine... the Diva errors
are on layer marker, so if you load and execute this 
routine it finds them and blows them away...

procedure( deleteMarkers()
  ;
  ; delete the error shapes Diva creates...
  ;
  cv = getEditRep()
  geDeselectAll()
  foreach( obj cv~>shapes
        if( obj~>layerName == "marker"
          geSelectObject(obj)
    )
  )
  geDeleteSelSet()
)

Keith.


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From: jcooley@seqp4.sequoia.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence,comp.arch
Subject: Re: Voice Input
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:49:27 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.


> From: gints@roadkill.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
> 
> You get effective isolated word, speak independent recognition for 1 MIPS.
> 
> How about a few hundred draftspersons talking on their telephones?  In
> my daily experience with speech input for wordprocessing and drawing,
> the speech input would reduce the mechanics for layout.  Another
> productivity bottleneck opened.
> 
> Most excellent.

From my very limited understanding of Voice Input systems, I would
think that maintainance and bug chasing would be quite complicated
because these systems are typically trained on one specfic person's
voice.  Is this true?

Also, to get back to the original question of whether Cadence is working
on a Voice Input to their tool set; no one has answered!

					- John Cooley
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From: markg@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM (Mark Gydesen)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: GED/Concept moving to Composer
Keywords: valid composer ged concept
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:12:16 GMT
Followup-To: article 345 and 371
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In general here are our plans for migration from ged/concept to
composer.

Since Concept is going away by the end of 1994, we will not install any
new seats of concept.

We are presently installing a few seats of composer only, to test drive
it. After 3 to 6 month evailuation we will put together a stategy to
migrate to composer on a project by project basis, including verilog.

During the test drive phase, we plan on doing schematic and library
translations and get an idea of the amount of system admin involved with
the new system. We are hoping to get the translators from Cadence to
assist in this effort. We have not yet set a schedule to begin this
project.

My personal comments... I have "grown up" with ged and now concept, I am
very partial to the user interface and easy of use. From what I have
seen of Composer, it looks to be cumbersome and has some fundemental
weekness (ie not able to move the corner of a box to resize a body for
instance). Concept is the product of a lot of user input and company
devotion, and as the bugs get worked out, it seems to be a VERY good
schematic capture tool, having a lot of inhancements over GED. On the
flip side of this though, Valid's rules checking and database has not
kept up, do in part to compatibility of previous versions. I am looking
forward to using Cadence's process manager and SKILL, the user interface
will catch up later as more GED/Concept features are added to Composer.

To answer jimc in artical 345...
You can generate verilog net list with GED/Concept using vcmp and
Concept has tight integration with Allegro (one of the best schematic to
layout in industry), but you may want to look at Composer (w/concept
user interface) which has tight integration with verilog, and workable
integration with Allegro. Cadence has been demoing the integration of
Composer and Allegro at user groups and shows, I think they call it
Systems Workbench.

Mark.
From: arindam@cs.uwindsor.ca (Arindam Das)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Repost: Graph traversal
Keywords: prolog, graph
Date: 2 Oct 1992 22:28:09 GMT

Hi again !

By mistake I have posted an article with subject: Graph traversal
which has nothing to do with this group.

Please ignore that posting.

Extremely sorry.

-arindam
From: simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu (Moderator: Paul Fishwick)
Newsgroups: comp.simulation
Subject: SIMULATION DIGEST V29 N5
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:20:06 GMT
Reply-To: simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu

Volume: 29, Issue: 5, Thu Oct  1 16:18:44 EDT 1992

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To: comp-simulation@rutgers.edu
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: DAT Royalty Tax Bill passes the House
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:28:47 EDT

In article <PHILG.92Sep30145934@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>   >The bill just passed the House under a suspension of rules whereby
>   >there was no debate and no record was kept of the vote.
>
>   Could you please explain how the rules were suspended?  I thought that
>   *every* bill gets passed by acclamation unless there is a specific motion
>   to do otherwise.
>
>   Did the House really do something out of the ordinary with this bill?
>
>Well, in the sense that they do plenty of other taxpayer-screwing
>bills this way, it wasn't out of the ordinary.  Here are some other
>things that are no longer out of the ordinary: Congressmen who are
>owned by the Diary Lobby; Congressmen who go on fancy junkets to
>tennis resorts and collect a speaking fee of $5000 for serving on a
>1/2 hour panel discussion; Congressmen who spend all of their time
>grandstanding about irrelevant issues while the country goes down the
>drain.
>
>Just because these sorts of things are now common doesn't mean that
>they aren't suboptimal.

Don't get me wrong--I'm not supporting the DAT tax.  In fact I oppose it.
Nor am I suggesting that passing bills without a vote (or debate of the full
house) is necessarily the best way to do things.

All that I am saying is, "Isn't it a standard of House parliamentary procedure
(and perhaps even of Robert's Rules of Order) *not* to debate and *not* to
call for a "Division" (a counted vote) unless there is a specific *motion*
to do so?"

In other words, I am merely questioning the suggestion that Congress somehow
broke their own rules to avoid debate and a vote on this issue.  (I'm not
questioning whether a debate/vote would have been desirable.)


-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
From: rkorczyk@sadis05.sa.aflc.af.mil (RICK KORCZYK - SCDR (AI LAB))
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: AI/ES SYMPOSIUM
Summary: Symposium
Date: 25 Sep 92 15:37:38 GMT


         ************************************************************
         *                                                          *
         *                     The Third Annual                     *
         *                                                          *
         *     Artificial Intelligence/Expert Systems Symposium     *
         *                                                          *
         ************************************************************

         What:   Third Annual AI/ES Symposium

         Where:  Kelly AFB, San Antonio  TX

         When:   6-7 October

         Details:  The Public is invited to view exhibitions in AI/ES
                   starting 6 Oct 0900 and ending 7 Oct 1200.
                   On exhibit will be products from AI vendors from all
                   over the United States as well as projects developed
                   for the Air Force.
                   Sponsored by the Communications/Computer Systems
                   Directorate and the Office of Chief Scientist
                   Engineer, the Symposium will also feature workshops
                   featuring Robotics, Neural Networks, and Intelligent
                   Tutorial Systems.
                   Both government and industry leaders will be
                   speaking on the application of this technology.


                   For more information contact:

           Phone:  Kevin Frisbie (512) 925-7611

           E-mail: kfrisbie@sadis02.sa.aflc.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: shayne@cs.swarthmore.edu (Ethan Shayne)
Subject: Gaussian randomization algorithm
Summary: where can I get more info about them?
Keywords: Gaussian randomization Gauss random
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:51:46 GMT

Can anyone tell me where I can get a simple explanation of the Gaussian
randomization algorithm? Preferably somewhere online, if possible (rather
than a book or something). Please email any responses to
eshayne@haverford.edu.
			Thanks,
				Ethan Shayne
				Haverford College
From: nsus_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Nick Susch)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Ethertalk for PC's ?
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:59:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


	We have just ethernetted some PC's here and I was wondering if there
existed a public domain or shareware Ethertalk driver for the PC. Something
that would allow the PC's to print to Apple LaserWriters connected to the
network, and maybe allow them to connect to an appletalk server. Basically,
I am looking for something like CAP (The Columbia Appletalk Package)
compiled for the PC. Does anyone know of a program like this?

--
They say there is strangeness too dangerous | /\/ick Susch - U. of Rochester
In our theatres and bookstore shelves,      | nick@blaise.cif.rochester.edu
That those who know what's best for us      |    or
Must rise and save us from ourselves.       | nsus_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
				   -RUSH   	
Xref: sparky comp.misc:3813 comp.sys.misc:738
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: What is a Data General ECLIPSE ??
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:34:57 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Cc: schommer@rhrk.uni-kl.de


>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Schommer (schommer@rhrk.uni-kl.de)

Michael> The Subject nearly says it all. The company which a friend of mine 
Michael> works for at the moment has a Data General ECLIPSE computer, and he
Michael> asked me about information about this thing. Anyone knows ??

The ECLIPSE, or MV line of computers is a proprietary architecture
minicomputer running a proprietary operating system. The ECLIPSE was
developed back when 32-bit "super"-minicomputers was the best thing
since sliced bread. ECLIPSE was DGs first 32-bit system and their
answer to the VAX. The MV-8000 (and later MV-10000) sold quite well
for a while, but DG rested on its laurels and was caught even more by
surprise than DEC by the UNIX and "killer micro" phenomenon and both
company and ECLIPSE line suffered. Like all proprietary lines, ECLIPSE
has its dedicated followers and it was quite nice for its time, but
most people has moved on.

The ECLIPSE lines most important claim to fame is its development
history. DG was founded by former DEC people who left to form their
own minicomputer company (this was the time of the minicomputer) and
pressed the DEC 16bit PDP line. DEC then introduced the VAX (a 32-bit
machine and therefore called a supermini at the time), and DG found
themselves without an answer. This led to a hectic (to say the least)
development effort to meet the challenge. A journalist, Tracy Kidder,
was allowed to follow this effort and it is documented in "The Soul of
the New Machine", probably the best portrait of the environment and
social life in and about high-tech development ever written. Every
hacker should read this book.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: ogden@mdd.comm.mot.com (Allen Ogden)
Subject: Unix Project Management Software
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:38:44 GMT

Hi. I am looking for PD source which can be compiled
on a sun3 for a reasonaby good quality project
scheduling tool. Something like Mac Project or
Microsoft Project.

Has anyone seen such a program that
I can get by anonymous FTP?

Thanks in advance!
Allen Ogden

ogden@mdd.comm.mot.com

Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: cf696@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Thomas Witkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Mac IIcx mouse problem
Date: 3 Oct 1992 16:14:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf696@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Thomas Witkowski)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


My new (used) IIcx has a strange problem.  It will, when dragging with
the mouse button down, occasionally drop the items I'm dragging.  I
would normally guess a bad mouse switch, except I heard something about
a mouse problem caused by software a few years back.  So I thought I'd
check before jumping to conclusions.  Any reasonable suggestions
appreciated.

...dtw

-- 
-----------------------------------------------
David Witkowski, through the Cleveland FreeNet
Santa Rosa, CA, USA
Internet:  cf696@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: zliao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhiming Liao)
Subject: laser printer for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:04:54 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.wanted,news.answers
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: Who invented the digital computer
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:37:15 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, n2365@cray.com correctly points out that "digital"
does not imply "binary".

Actually, the wording of the question is probably not what the initial
poster really wanted.

To avoid answers involving things like Babbage's mechanical computing
engine, the Bletchley Park Enigma code busting electronic computer in
Britain during WW II, very interesting trajectory calculators, etc.  the
real question of interest is "Who invented the _stored program_ electronic
computer".

Can't remember the details at the moment (one of the references already
posted is a good source for this material) but it's fairly universally
accepted that the first such machine was built by a German.

-- 
Ray Dunn at home  |  Beaconsfield,  Quebec,  Canada.
(514) 630 3749    |  ray@philmtl.philips.ca  or  ..uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: sih@next06epsl.wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: headers in mail and news posts
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:14:42 GMT

Is there anyway to change the header information from what it
actually will be or is?  I would like to know the same for postings
to the newsgroups.  I have seen people change the information at the top
and out of curiosity I would like to know how to do this.

Shahed
From: gramsey@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: home-based computer biz?
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:15:13 PST

hi net people

i'm posting this for a friend without net access please e-mail to my 
account and i will forward to him 

					thanx   greg


i'm interested in starting a home-based computer business, just heard about
Gerhard Reeg company.  They are offering a license that allows me to hook into 
their network of buyers and sellers and i have to culivate my own client base.
Has anyone heard of this company?  Any information and/or additional avenues 
of investigation would be appreciated.

					Thanks Kevin


Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: salomon@seas.gwu.edu (Alicia Lee Salomon)
Subject: knowbots
Keywords:  knowbots
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:29:17 GMT

I would like to obtain any information on knowbots, including who is working on
prototype projects, as well as any available references.  

Thank you.



-- 
| Machines take me by surprise with   |     A. Lee Salomon             |
| great frequency.    - Alan Turing   |     salomon@seas.gwu.edu       |

Newsgroups: comp.misc