HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Faulty chain adjustment
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 13:12:49 GMT

Brad Might (jbm@hal.com) wrote:
: (Charles Parr) said:
: > Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
: 
: > So all you 8/10 poseurs out there who'd like to believe you
: > own a sportbike, get thee to a dealer and buy a Yamaha RZ500
: > two stroke four cylinder BikeFromHell today. I promise, after
: > the first couple of weeks you'll hardly be spooging your 
: > fruit of the looms at all.
: 
: > Regards, Charles
: > DoD 0.001
: > RZ350(onlayaway, beautiful)
: > GS400ED(nonstock, forsale, needswork)
: > -- 
: 
: 
: RZ500 is a pig. Get an RG500 gamma. Weld/balance the cranks, shave the
: head, add better pipes, rejet, add steering damper, better fork brace, and
: give it a custom paint job. (I had one just like that! Its cruising around
: vancouver now).
: 
: brad
: --
: - standard disclaimers apply -
: jbm@hal.com (Brad Might)      
: HAL Computer Systems - (512)794-2855
: 8920 Business Park Drive Suite 300 Austin, Tx 78759


Hey, come on!  I thought all you Americans rode Hardly Davidsons (Charleys ?).

What's with all this European behaviour with the polluting two-stroke slick
trick machines?  Bunch of Barry Sheenes are you?


Nick (the Confused Biker)  MAG 73516   DoD 1069  Concise Webster (Like shit!).

M'Lud.
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ZX11 0-60 times (was Re: 'taint been......)
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:31:23 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
]Not to burst your bubble or anything, but:
]                  1/4 mile     0-60
]ZX-11 *(91)  Kaw  10.51@132.21 2.65
]ZX11 *(90)   Kaw  10.52@131.82 2.65
]ZX10 *(88)   Kaw  10.71@128.62 2.65

kinda amazing how all three of those bikes can have EXACTLY the same 0-60
times, especially considering the 10 has a different final drive ratio, the
spread in years and the accompanying technological differences between the
bikes. sorry, just a little too coincidental for me. I've also read (from 
one of the bike rags) that the 91 had 7% less HP than the 90 (not sure I 
believe that one though).

not to worry, no bubble burst. I think your numbers are garbage. lies, damn
lies, and statistics as it were...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
From: root@joncpc.Your.Domain.Here (0000-Admin(0000))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Manual sources
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:32:14 GMT
Organization: Your Organization Here

In article <1992Sep30.114139.5548@gw.wmich.edu>, 734keon@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Can someone please recommend a source for outdated motorcycle owners manuals
|> (specifically for a 1975 Suzuki 550GT), if such a place exists?
|> 

Try Josh Cohen at Vintage Spares (818) 760-1831. He just got me a
shop manual and parts book for my '72 XL250. 

          Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran <Mike.Corcoran@SanDiego.NCR.COM>   
		  '78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Info wanted -- Honda CM400
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:49:27 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

David Turner (turner@rastaman.llnl.gov) wrote:
: Well, every couple months I post something asking about short bikes for my 
: wife's First Bike; maybe someday we'll actually buy one.  Today's topic is
: early 1980's Honda CM400's.  According to the Official DoD Short Bike List,
: the 1980 CM400E and CM400T have seat heights of 29.5".  Not the shortest, but
: probably short enough.  They are also described as "standards".  However, it
: seems that the ones I've seen have stepped seats and pull-back bars -- the
: wimpy cruiser look.  So, help me out.  What are the differences between the
: E model and the T model?  Are they standards, or cruisers?
: 
: Bonus Points:  What are the differences between the Honda CL and CM bikes?  Is
: it just evolution?
: 
: Extra Bonus Points:  I've always liked the looks of the CB400/4 (sp?).  A 
: sporty early-mid-70's 400cc 4-cylinder Honda with beautiful headers.  I think 
: they have become somewhat collectable now.  Anyone know the seat height?
: 
: Thanks for your help...the check's in the mail...later...DT
: 
: ------------
: David Turner
: dturner@llnl.gov -OR- turner@rastaman.llnl.gov
: (510) 422-1162   
: '82 VF750S    DoD#0373
: Disclaimer:  All opinions are mine.  None are theirs.

I think you mean the CB400F, or rather the fawundredfaw as they are known over
here.  Yes, thay are beautiful and almost a collector's item.  Unfortunately,
the economic climate being what it is, collector's items don't hold much value
anymore.  I am speaking purely from a UK point of view here.  I have ridden the
fawundredfaw a few times and unfortunately it is like riding a washing machine.
Just a consequence of a low capacity multi, I suppose.  The front brake is crap
as were all Honda single caliper early disk brakes.  Lovely bike though, to
look at and for the rider who likes them.  I thought it lacked character and
power and grunt.  I liked the looks, the size and the noise it made.  I think
the CM400 is a crap US special twin, a bigger version of the CD200 Benley.  A
real wet cornflake packet of an excuse for a godforsaken Japanese piece of 
horse shit.  Not that I don't like it or anything, just a reasoned, balanced
point of view.

If your wife wants a bike, get her something with GRUNT!  Not a piece of wet 
fish suitable for commuting car-workers with pretensions of grandeur.  Give her
a throb between the legs, a real clit-tickler.  A bike, I'm talking about......


Nick (the Totally Unbiased Biker)   MAG 73516  DoD 1069   Concise Oxford.

M'Lud.
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Look at this! (was Re: Looking for a motorcycle)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:29:36 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

tavares@ctron.com writes:
>John Makel (jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: >In article <Stafford-240992134215@stafford.winona.msus.edu>
>: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>: >>
>: >>SERIOUSLY, check out two year old Sporsters.  They aren't real
>: >>Harleys, but close enough to begin with.
>: 
>: You know, I am tired of bozos' who own Harley's and put down sporster
>: owners. Of course, the mine is better than yours philosphy applies here,
>: do you really own a Harley or are you new to the field? I own four Harleys
>: presently, all since new, and have owned Harleys since 1973, where does
>: this attitude start, I could say that you own a piece of AMF CRAP, but alas
>: I own two. I worked for Harley in the 70's, and you know the guy who
>: owned the sportster was as much in the ranks as were the big twins. When
>: did you become judge, and just where does your credibility Mr. RUB come from?
>: 
>: 
>: 				john...
>: 
>: 78 FX(Kick Start only Mr. Rub)
>: 80 STURGIS(The 1st production Year Mr. RUB)
>: 90 XLH 1200(EVO Sporster Mr. RUBS not a Harley Bike)
>: 92 FLHTC(A big bike, for big boys Mr. RUB)
>: HOG#0547387(If you own a Harley you can get one of these Mr. RUB-do you
>: really own
>: one, or are you a wannabe Harley owner, or should I have stated it a
>: newbee Harley owner?)
>
>I dont get it.
>People wanted a separate newsgroup for HD. They got.
>The reason that it was requested was to get away from the brand bashing.
>Well now we have broadened our horizons and narrowed our minds, and now
>we bash WITHIN brands! Is america a great country or what!

Yeh.

And this guy calls John Stafford a RUB, to boot.

Be kind, John. Be kind.

Hint, Mr. Makel" (Stafford is sometimes referred to as oldchop. Break that
into its constituent words and see what you get. Then apply it to HD. Then
slink on outta here with your tail up your ass, where it belongs.)
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: FZ600 and Motul
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:48:53 GMT

Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew writes:
>Howdy,

Greetings,

>First, has anybody got experience with Motul 4 stroke 15W50 Synthetic?
>I think the motul # was 2100...

Good stuff.  The guy I bought my FZR400 from used it (10W40).  The
bike had 20,000 miles on it and I intended to use it for racing, so I
tore the top end down to rebuild it.  There was almost no wear; the
motor looked like it was a new.  You could still see the machine lay
all the way around the piston skirts and all the crosshatch on the
cylinders.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
            TCSI Berkeley, CA USA  (510) 649-3781
From: dbooth@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (david booth)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 18:13:08 GMT
Subject: Re: paint shop recommedations wanted
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Western Cycles on Escuella, near El Camino, has on display a couple of
tanks done by a guy who specialises in painting bikes. I don't have
his name or number but its only a two minute ride from SGI to the
store to get the details.

Regards

DB
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A different BMW question - tires
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

ssuhouns@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Paul Marshall Hounslow) writes:
]Soon junked those!  Best things I have found, on the K100's,
]are Michelin radials.  Last longest too. 3000 out of a Metzler is no joke at
]20000 a year.  The Michelins gripped the best, and lasted 5000miles.

as the weather get's cooler here in Austin (70's & 80's, brrrr!!) I've noticed
that the michelin's on my RS just aren't up to snuff. twice yesterday the
michelin's started to let go on corners that the dunlop's on the ZX-11 would
have been rock solid on. the michelin's are most definatly harder than the
sportmax's, and I used to get 4000 out of them on the ZX-11. looks like
I'll be switching to the dunlop's when I wear these michelin's out.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058))
Subject: Re: Pocket size multimeter
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:07:38 GMT

thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:

>jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:

>>DVMs are nice, I have the Radio Schlock pocket DVM, it works, 
>>it was cheap, I like it, but it sucks for measuring voltage on 
>>a running engine. The ignition and voltage regulator noise drive 
>>it crazy. 

>Placing a 1uF capacitor between the leads should solve this problem.

I'm unconvinced, I might try it, but I've looked at ignition noise
with a 'scope (points, coil and condensor - electronic ignition may 
differ) and thar's alot of energy in them spikes. A pi network might
do it but....

>Then you can get the advantages of a digital multimeter - it's more
>accurate, 

Don't need accurate. This is a bike/car we're talking about here.

>more rugged, more reliable, 

Don't buy it. My cheap analog meters have taken some serious abuse
and survived. My DVM has a LCD display that mere moisture makes 
unreadable.  It also requires batteries. I can leave a cheap analog 
meter in my tail pack/glove box for years and when I pull it out
some dark night on the side of the road I'm not going to be stopped by
dead batteries.

>smaller, easier to read, 

I'll grant you easier to read.

>cheaper.

On what planet?

>Doesn't get soggy in milk.

But tastes nasty.
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From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Sleeping Pillions, Squid Awards, and other fun
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:25:37 PDT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Sep30.181950.9429@microsoft.com>, patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.180815.576@halfdome.sf.ca.us> laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us wrote:
>> In article <1600@adpplz.UUCP>, martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
>>  
>> > Passenging* is good. Until she _insists_ on riding, when we'll have to
>> > discuss Why Yamaha Viragos are the World's Best Motorcycle.
>>  
>> now, martin.  don't be selfish.  i think this is brilliant.  carol
>> NEEDS a yamaha virago and the MSF course.  a nice new 750 virago with
>> the cushy seat and the nice smooth ride.
> 
> I think Martin's point is that if she decides to ride, Martin would prefer
> her to not fall in love with his Duc, or BMW, or RD, or ... so he can keep
> them for himself.

i didn't need you to explain what martin meant, thank you pat.  martin
was slighting a perfectly good motorcycle that sits in his garage
awaiting someone to ride it while he is out trucking around his
ducati. i was merely pointing out that carol might be very happy on a
yamaha virago. 
 
> Don't let her ride the Duc, Martin.  There's poison on them thar bars.

personally i don't know what any of you guys see in a motorcycle that
very seldom ends up being actually ridden to the place where it is
parked.  i don't believe in the myth of superiority in brand; it's just
a whole whole lot of very smart marketing.  if you like it fine.  but
don't go implying that it's because you're somehow more talented than
those who find you ridiculous.
 
-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:26:34 GMT
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1afkrkINNj7c@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick) writes:
>	pasker buys those no-shift-key keyboards from me! 
                                                        ^
                               So where does this character come from?

> i can safely claim the title of keeper of the lowercase! ;)
                                                            ^
                                                     And this one?

  (I'm just trying to emphasize the original topic of this thread)
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Gasohol vs. MTBE
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:50:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep27.145016.7004
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office

In article <dbc-260992132931@b62003.student.cwru.edu>, dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
|> In article <20731@drutx.ATT.COM>, kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD
|> #106)) wrote:
...  I only buy MTBE-enriched gas in winter 'cause the of the
|> > ethanol's propensity to absorb water and I don't want the water in my tank.
|> >
|> 
|> Ummm.  Doesn't the fact the ethanol absorbs water mean it will keep water
|> from hanging out in your tank? ...
|> (a GOOD thing)  
|> Isn't _DRYGAS_ basically alcohol?

In a word, "Yes."

Curt
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: sewing patches on 'Stitch suits
Originator: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:01:51 GMT

i realize no one's interested in a post dealing with aerostitch suits, but
since someone *did* ask (and someone else emailed with the same question):

i have dod and msf patches that i wanted to sew to my suit.  i had
intended to sew them on, then heat-tape seal the stitching from the inside.

instead, i called rider wearhouse first: they told me to sew them to a pocket,
as puncturing the suit anywhere else would compromise the integrity of the
goretex.  the pockets aren't waterproof, and the one on the right breast (can
i say that word on the net?) is expansive.  both patches now reside there,
with the dod patch having top billing.

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
|         Some don't have the intelligence (apparently) to dispute         |
|              [Holst's] views, so they hurl insults instead.              |
|                                                                          |
|    -- Jeff Achenbach, chairman, Holst Presidential Election Committee    |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Vultures landing on Ed? (was Re: Crosswinds)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:31:14 GMT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>>bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>>>>>Apply a force along -Y,

>>>>Which is down.  What happened, a vulture just land on my head?

>>>Ed, this wouldn't happen as often if you got a bike.

>>So what you're saying is, that without a bike, you might as well be
>>dead? :-)

>I wouldn't go quite that far, but what I meant was that if you're
>moving at DoD minimum speed, even a vulture would realize you were
>still alive.

Hah! A chance to tie this into that other circular topic (besides beer),
Lance Holst. If I recall correctly, The Jerk (tm) ruined a perfectly
good helmet on a vulture last year. Either the bird mistook him for a
corpse, or it didn't care for his writing style. It was a noble attempt,
but the the score was Holst 1, Bird 0.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Time for rec.moto.tech?  (was: sick and tired!!)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:10:32

"thompson" == Paul Thompson <thompson@Apple.COM> writes:

thompson> Where's Bob Ciotti when you need him?

He's rather busy these days, from what little I've seen of him in the
hallways.  That, and he commutes from halfway to Hawaii....

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
"I love the iPSC/860.
The iPSC/860 is my friend." (repeat until your code runs...)
From: jesse@eye.com (Jesse Lackey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:45:45 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1992Sep24.040416.8993@riacs.edu> dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer) writes:
>stop dead in their tracks about a foot and a half behind me and smile.
>Big, stupid, shit-eating grins on their faces. I glance at the car

It is situations like this that make me want to get a .22 to keep on my bike
somewhere.  Not that I know how to shoot, but there's nothing like a gun to
stop large assholes in their tracks...

-- 
Jesse Lackey  ---> jesse@eye.com <---   Please Note:  I DON'T speak for 3D/Eye!
3D/EYE, Inc., 2359 N. Triphammer Rd., Ithaca, NY  14850   voice: (607) 257-1381
    "She moved so easily  all I could think of was sunlight"   - Paul Simon
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: BMW K100rs & Boxer sound bite
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:30:54 GMT

In article <865@zx11.UUCP> joe@zx11.cactus.org writes:
>bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>]K75 up to about 85 horsepower with just a cam change and removal of
>]the stock airbox.  Damn waranty rules that out for now.  
>
>is this the euro spec cam? surley BMW will let you (us) put in the eruo
>spec cam stuff and not void the warranty, especially if a dealer does it...
>
The '85's had Eurospec cams. I suspect BMW wouldn't ok using the
Euro spec cams in later bikes because they'd change the motor's
emissions from the models approved by the government. A local shop
probably wouldn't care about that.

BTW: I spoke to Scott Arigot (sp?) from BMW NA today and he said the 
new boxers will be in the US dealerships in February.

-John
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From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Summary: If you're going to be picky, be right.
Keywords: brakes holes cooling
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:34:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct6.004445.1455@elektro.cmhnet.org>, root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:


] *AHGEMM*, you forgot to take into account the degree of air turbulence
] induced by the hole _edges_ cutting through the air.  As this varys with
] the square of the airspeed, the topmost holes are the ones that count most
] as they are traveling over the ground at 2*[roadspeed]. 

Yeah, if your rotor(s) is (are) the same diameter as your tire.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: passing on the right (was: Stupid BIKE
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:29:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1a7228INNhqh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>Believe me, 25 traffic school students spent an hour trying to argue
>just what you claimed.  The fact of the matter is that doing 55 in
>*any* lane, regardless of the ambiant traffic speed, is *not* illegal,
>and you *cannot* be ticketed for it.

You can be ticketed for anything the nice officer feels like ticketing you
for.  Will it hold up in court?  Maybe not, maybe so. 

>It is stupid, it is unsafe, and it is dangerous, but it is legal.

When stupid and unsafe come into play, there's that catch-all, reckless
driving. 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Neiman Marcus Sells Harley Davidson to Yuppie Scum
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:46:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: gvgspd.2058
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

In article <daved.718258886@convex.convex.com>
                                    daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:

>Shame Shame.

Enlighten me please:  Where is the shame in this?


-- 
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    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain