HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Welcome
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 12:26:51 GMT

Michal Szleper (michals@fuw.edu.pl) wrote:
: Saki writes:
: > - Are you new to the newsgroup? *Before you post*, ask for one or both
: > (------------------ another lot of stuff deleted -------------------)
: 
: Now, what did you exactly mean by your posting?
: That it is banned to post in This Noble Group for simlpe-minded
: people? That everyone must pass some special courses before you
: kindly allow him/her to post here?
: Are you maybe planning to organize some beatle-maturity exams
: before admiting anybody to This Noble Group?
: If so, then goodbye.
: 
: Waiting for your answer before I unsubscribe from r.m.b.

Saki is presenting this information as a guide, to reduce the possibility
of you getting flamed.  It is not intended to irritate (I believe, not
trying to speak for Saki), but to inform.  

Lighten up.

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: George interviews
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:57:15 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep01.130820.15821@jpradley.jpr.com> grumpy@jpradley.jpr.com (Jeff Markel) writes:

>> Just a quick note:
>> 
>> 2) George was on Rockline on 8/24.  Nice interview, and he made it through
>>    the whole thing completely sober ;-).  [ The last time George was on 
>>    _Rockline_, he was nervous, and drank a few too many Dostekeys before the
>>    show ]  More on this later, after I've gotten to listen to it a few hundred
>>    more times.
>> 

>What on earth is a Dostekeys? A Dostoyevsky? a Dos Equis? What?

Yes, I believe it was "Dos Equis", but he was too drunk to say it. I-)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@franklin.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Fixing a Hole guitar break
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:05:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.134539.13317@news.media.mit.edu> ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.062330.7573@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>>Andrew Rogers (rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org) wrote:
>>: In article <1992Aug26.054038.691@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:

>George Martin) pioneered effects in rock music but take a listen to the 
>father of Electric Guitar and Effects -Les Paul- to see how he turned
>the world around to effecting recorded sound with tape recorders.

...and what an effect it had on the world of rock and roll.  My favorite bit
from The Carl Perkins special of a few years back (with George, Ringo, Clapton,
and others, btw) is where he and George are talking about Les Paul, and the
*sound* of his guitar playing.  Perkins then tells a story about how he wanted
to replicate the sound of double tracked guitars, but didn't know how to at the
time, so he learned to *play* and make it sound double tracked.  Perkins then
proceeds to demonstrate this technique.  No electronics, just the man and his
guitar.  Absolutely amazing...

<ESC>



-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki)
Subject: Re: Revolution 9, woman says?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:01:45 GMT

Does anybody out there know what the woman says after "Take this brother
may it serve you well." She speaks for awhile and ends it with "you
become naked." Anyway, thanks in advance.
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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Guitar: Demo version of SFF
Summary: Lyrics translation
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:51:03 GMT

In article <randall.714262032@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane) writes:
>
>>I mean I think I know, ah yes, but it's all wrong
>
>Here is where I wonder what the lyrics really are.
>My songbook (the official Northern Songs piano score)
>says:
>
>	 I think a know of thee, ah yes but it's all wrong
>
>But in earlier takes of the song, as well as somewhat on
>the released version, I hear this:
>
>	 I think I know I'm mean, ah yes
>
>	 or perhaps:
>
>	 I think I know I'm me, ah yes
>
>	 or even:
>
>	 I think I know, ah me, ah yes

The beauty of this song---or one of the multitude of beauties---is
the way the lyrics, at this point, imitate the rambling, backtracking
mental state of the singer. No wonder different sources (and different
ears) hear a plethora of pronouncements.

Campbell & Murphy's "Things We Said Today" (1980...perhaps not
the only definitive source but one of few trustworthy lyrics
compendia) transcribes this sentence as "I think I know, I mean,
er, yes/But it's all wrong/That is, I think I disagree...."

John wrote down a number of lyrics in his own hand, some of which
now reside in an archive in the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor,
and some of which are reproduced in the abovementioned tome. But
"SFF" was not among them. I can't recall off the top of my head
whether "SFF" is part of the Hunter Davies collection on display
in the Manuscript Room at the British Museum (and though I'd love
to check it out personally, it's a bit of a commute for me at the
moment). Or perhaps "SFF" lyrics are among those about to be
auctioned off in England from the estate of the late Mal Evans.
That would, perhaps, settle the controversy.

--
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From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Second Ringo Album
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:21:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug30.020106.26364@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:


>Beaucoups of Blues: Apple SMAS-3368; September 28, 1970
>-- Ringo's second solo album was an abrupt switch to country and western.  
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Recorded in Nashville, with some of country's top session men, it really is
>quite good.  However, a country album by a rock artist was not well received
>by the public, and it only reached #65 On the Billboard Charts.

Well, I don't think I would call it abrupt. Ringo seemed to have a country
inclination for quite some time. (Act Naturally, Don't Pass Me By, What Goes
On, etc.)  I found it more surprising that he had done an album of 'standards'
first.

					James Willer
{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Abbey Road
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:49:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.035749.8120@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN, SINAN) writes:
>
>	On the back of the Abbey Road album there is a picture
>	of a wall with The Beatles written on top and Abbey Road 
>	written below it which has an N following it. I presumed 
>	that the N is the beginning of a new word. Could somebody
>	please tell me what that word is or what the N stands for.


N should be the first letter of the postal zone of Abbey Road. In
London, zip codes have the first 2/3 characters indicating the compass
direction and the relative distance from center. Abbey Road should be
NW1 , if I recall it correctly.
 
BTW, when I had been in London I did say an "Abbey Road" street 
indicator. Is it the right one, or just a fake???
 ciao! .mau.
From: williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Looking for Harrison rarities info
Keywords: harrison
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:27:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep3.172725.6517
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


I was wondering if anyone could give me info on some Harrison rarities and  
B-sides. By rarities, I am referring to official released material  
released on a non-Harrison album(e.g. soundtrack).

The b-sides that I know of are:
  Miss O' Dell (B-side to Give Me Love...)
  Deep Blue(B-side to BanglaDesh)
  I Don't Care Anymore(B-side to Dark Horse??)
  Zig-Zag(B-side to When We Was Fab)
  Lay His Head(B-side to Got My Mind...)
Soundtracks and other compilations featuring Harrison on lead vocals of a  
song or more.
  Nuns on the Run (Blow Away)
  Lethal Weapon 2 (Cheer Down)
  Nobody's Child (Homeward Bound w/Paul Simon)
  GreenPeace???
  Water???
If anyone can add to this list feel free to e-mail me or post if you can  
create a (much) more complete rarities listing. Please include only songs  
where Harrison is the key performer(lead vocalist on all but  
instrumentals). I am not interested in bootleg info at this time, so  
please stick to the officially released stuff.

More specifically i would like to know anything about the B-sides...Is  
Zig-Zag an instrumental??? and do any of the a-sides differ substantially  
from the album releases???

Thanks in advance.

Fell free to use e-mail,
Steven R Williams

williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
------------------------------------------------------
"Take my smile and my heart they were yours from the start"
From: lehe@lulea.trab.se (Lennart Hedenstr|m)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: George, Live 1991 question
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:14:05 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
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I have seen the following ad for a live rare recording on tape:

"George Harrison-London, England 5-26-92 (many special guests) 2
tapes EX+ (Gary Moore, Joe Walsh).................................$16"

As you can see in my .Sig-file I am interested in Moore stuff. So,
I wonder if anyone of you people out there have heard it or have any
information about it, or even attended the concert. What songs did
Harrison together with Moore and Walsh ? What's the quality of the
recording ? Does anyone know if it is available on disc (CD or LP)
too ?

--
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 	Lennart Hedenstrom : lehe@lulea.trab.se (SWEDEN)
 Collector of records and live tapes with Gary Moore & Thin Lizzy. 
 I'm willing to trade. Interested? --> e-mail right away !!!
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From: afcanav@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: More on silly books
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 31 Aug 1992 12:23 EST  

> 
>.... or can she ? As I understand it, it is very hard for someone
>who can be classified as a "public figure" to sue for defamation
>in the US, which is where the largest single market for such
>a book would be (..."free speech" and all that). You'll notice
>that no-one has sued Kitty Kelly, despite the fact that her
>subjects are alive and her claims are often as dubious (Nancy
>Reagan having an affair with Frank Sinatra, etc.)
> 

Maybe its TRUE!!!, and she won't sue to save further damage!!!  :)
From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Innovation (was: The Beatles Live)
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:45:55 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

+R. Shapiro writes:
+But the really significant guitarists in early rock came
+from the other side of the fence, the rockabilly side.  George owes
+lots more to Carl Perkins than he does to Chuck Berry.

----------
and i respond:

Yes, Carl Perkins, AND Buddy Holly but let's not forget Ravi Shankar
who moved George in mysterious ways -stylisticly speaking.
It's funny how one's style might be influenced by a player, but not
emulated. Look at Keith Richard and how he stole every r and b riff in the
book(or on record :|) for the Stones. Talk about owing Chuck Berry!

One need not be influenced, though, by a same instrument player..imitation
is flattery, interpretation is style..George's playing reflects his 
ear and his thinking..he's not the lazy guy he purports himself to be!

benj
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From: cstracha@cs1.uct.ac.za (CD STRACHAN)
Subject: Re: While My Guitar GW  (chords)
Keywords: Harrison George chords
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:27:22 GMT

In article <randall.714760189@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
>Subject: Re: While My Guitar GW  (chords)
>Keywords: Harrison George chords
>Date: 25 Aug 92 16:29:49 GMT
>dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs) writes:
>
>>Is there an FTP site available that list's the chords for Beatle songs?
>>If not, can someone post the chords to "While My Guitar Gently Weeps".
>
>Acoustic version: Capo up 5 frets
>White Album version: Capo up 7 frets
>
>    Dm       ?1      ?2       ?3            <=== I don't know the names
>  ======   ======   ======   ======              of these chords
>  .....X   .....X   ....X.   .X..X.
>  ...X..   ...X..   .X....   ......
>  ....X.   .X..X.   ......   ......
>  ......   ......   ......   ......
>  ......   ......   ......   ......
>
>
>
>  Dm            ?1          ?2                ?3
>  I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping
>
>  Dm          C            G      A
>  While my guitar gently weeps
>
>  Dm            ?1          ?2              ?3
>  I look at the floor and I see it needs sweeping       
>
>  Dm          C           F      A 
>  Still my guitar gently weeps
>
>  D            F#m         Bm     F#m
>  I don't know why y  y    Nobody told you
>
>  Em                   A
>  How to unfold your love
>
>  D            F#m         Bm      F#m
>  I don't know how w  w    Someone controlled you
>
>  Em                   A
>  They bought and sold you
>
>	
>ADDITIONAL VERSE (Acoustic version only):
>
>
>  Dm            ?1             ?2          ?3
>  I look from the wings at the play you are staging     
>
>  Dm          C            G      A
>  While my guitar gently weeps
>
>  Dm             ?1          ?2        ?3
>  As I'm sitting here doing nothing by aging         
>
>  Dm          C           F      A 
>  Still my guitar gently weeps
>
>
>  Dm    ?1   ?2   ?3    Dm   C    Dm
>  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeps
>
>-- 
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
>Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall

 From: Craig Strachan                  DPS: are you in ?
       UCT, South Africa
       strachan@bilbo.cs.uct.ac.za 
       cstracha@cs1.uct.ac.za
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From: Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand)
Subject: Re: Beatles Stuff in London ?
Organization: Telia Research, Malmo, Sweden
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.111837.9704@ruc.dk> hegudm@ruc.dk (Hans Erik Gudmundsson) writes:
>Hi.
>
>I'll be going to London soon on vacation.  Could anybody recommend
>some stores for picking up rare books/videos/bootlegs on 
>the fab four ?
>
Yeah!
Check out "Vinylmania", very near Oxford Circus, north of Oxford Street.
Look it up in the phonebook.
There is another Vinylmania store somewhere in London.
I have never been there though.

BTW, til lykke med fotbolls-EM!

Christer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Welcome - final
Summary: Let's finish this point
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:09:44 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

Chuck Anderson writes:
>An apology (if that) given in such a condescending tone says a lot
>about your basic nature.

This was not my intension. I wanted to present my point of view.

>I've always found it a good idea, when first subscribing to a newsgroup, to 
>hold off posting for a week or two or however long it takes to get a feel
>for the nature of the group.  You appear to have just barged in and 
>expected this newsgroup to conform to your way of thinking.

You sure do false conclusions. I've been reading this newsgroup
for three months now, but my first posting here dates about a month
ago. I've never had any criticism - until just now.

>You couldn't be more wrong in your appraisal of this group and, in particular,
>of saki's postings.

OK then, I was wrong. But please don't give me reasons to be
wrong again.

>This is a large, established, open minded, and basically polite group that is 
>open to anyone's questions, speculations, or information.

I couldn't be happier.

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Michal~ Szleper                          "All you need is love, love,
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                      Love is all you need..."
From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: George's solo work (was Re: Elmore James & George)
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:55:21 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Sep3.233049.10422@en.ecn.purdue.edu> prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.183152.16488@ddsw1.mcs.com> jailbird@ddsw1.mcs.com (Ron D. Harvey, Professional Bachelor) writes:
>
>[much deleted by many about solo on "Drive My Car"]
>
>>  _All 
>>Things Must Pass_ is still, in my opinion, the best Beatles solo album.
>
>Hey!  I'm not the only one, then! 

>
>-- 
>David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu

No, You're not. I,too, think this album is wonderful..and I even like the jams
and the HUGE room sound. I am a big fan of this specific period of music
and these musicians - it is a distinct departure from Beatle-esque sound
and incorporates the sound and or efforts of Derek and the Dominoes, Dylan,
and the Allman Brothers. Interestingly enough, Dave Mason is on this album
and Phil Collins claims he played a kit briefly on it as well(though
uncredited). I would love to see a "Jams" and "Alternate Takes" cd of
this session(in the way the Layla 3-cd recollection was produced).

-benj
From: clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Guitar: Demo version of SFF
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:30:10 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: classic.bbn.com

In article <1992Aug23.185103.24152@math.ucla.edu>  saki sez:
>John wrote down a number of lyrics in his own hand, some of which
>now reside in an archive in the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor,
>and some of which are reproduced in the abovementioned tome. But
>"SFF" was not among them. I can't recall off the top of my head
>whether "SFF" is part of the Hunter Davies collection on display
>in the Manuscript Room at the British Museum (and though I'd love
>to check it out personally, it's a bit of a commute for me at the
>moment).


Hmmm.  I'm annoyed at myself...  I looked at that display a few weeks
ago and wrote down what was there.  I just went looking for my notes
and can't find them.  Since I wrote them on the back of a ticket stub
or some such thing, I may have thrown them away.  Nuts.

Anyway, I don't recall SFF as being among the items on display.
There are a few Paul manuscripts and a few John manuscripts and
two handwritten letters from John.  One letter is to Stu and one
is to Hunter.  The lyric manuscripts are not all the original
working documents, but some are.  Paul's handwritten "Yesterday"
lyrics are obviously after the fact.  I won't try to recall the
list of other songs that are there, as I'm sure I'd get them wrong,
but I'm reasonably sure Help and Ticket to Ride are among them.


That is an amazing room, by the way.  There are original manuscripts
by Bach, Mozart, Verdi, and Stravinsky as well as MacLen.  Two of
the surviving copies of the Magna Carta are there,  Letters by
Queen Victoria, Churchill, TSEliot... And that's in just a few of
the display cases in ONE room.  The Gutenberg Bible is in the next
room, and across the foyer is the Rosetta Stone (which I actually
touched! :-)

Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Fixing a Hole guitar break
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:40:38 GMT

Stuart Troutman (stuart@apollo.hp.com) wrote:
: 
: 
: The terrific little guitar break in McCartney's "Fixing a Hole" (it 
: comes in after the 3rd verse, after McC sings: "...heh-heh hey..."). 
: I don't remember from Lewisohn's notes if this was played by Harrison 
: or by McCartney himself (sounds more like Harrison to me), but I'm 
: actually less interested in what's being played than I am in the actual
: recorded SOUND of that guitar. What an amazing sound. Does anyone know 
: how that audial texture was achieved? Is it a detuned guitar, a slowed-

I've been playing it in my mind here, (don't have the CD with me, just 
my memory), but it sounds to me like a fuzz fed through a flanger, possibly
with an envelope follower or wah effect towards the end of the solo.

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com


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