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From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Regional Prejudice
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:52:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.202549.29227@menudo.uh.edu> mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.233842.26140@midway.uchicago.edu>, moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct3.154700.29073@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:
>
>The key to prejudicsim is to realize it's there, but don't let it get in
>your way or blame it for your own short-commings.

Good advice.

>Maybe, i've seen it more ofter than you because I'm in the petrochemical
>engineering /construction business and have been around more "good old
>boys" and traveled to a lot of small "podunk" towns that you might have.

This could well be true.  I spend most of my time on a university
campus which is sufficiently diverse that it would be pretty
dangerous for *anyone* to be openly racist...and hopefully,
sufficiently enlightened that they wouldn't want to.  The rest of my
time is spent in downtown Chicago, where people are pretty careful not
to be racist given the large population of black americans.
~
I've never really lived in a small town...the situation could well be
much worse there.  I hear it's really bad in England...do we have
anybody here who could comment on that?

>My American friends do not understand the idea as well as I.  I also don't
>think most americans can understand the idea because their little sister
>probably never came home crying because some kid had called her a "nigger".  
>Kid maybe innocent, but they can be cruel.  It's not just parents.

I've seen racism before, just not directed against Indians.  I grew up
in a Polish Catholic neighborhood...the few black and hispanic kids
were often cruelly harassed.  I think adults don't realize just how
cruel children can be - they don't have the thin veneer of
civilization that keeps most adults from being overtly rude.

>Puneet (D-Poon)

 - Amirthi


-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Re: looking for attention?? (was Re: Are IAs close-minded ?)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:36:11 GMT

In article <samaddar.718830074@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
>
>>What are you implying?  That women would find them unattractive?
>>Maybe we should take a poll...how many women here find guys with long
>>hair attractive?  Is it a turn-on or a turn-off?

To turn the question around a little, I have found women with short 
hair attractive - but not just because their hair was short.
Asking whether women find men with long hair attractive seemed to
me to be the wrong question - it is a superficial attribute, very much 
something that can change over a few months or years...

The question of what superficial attribute is considered attractive at 
any time is very much related to what images the media chooses to project.
Some years ago male media idols - rock stars, soap opera stars and the like,
suddenly started wearing their hair long - shoulder length  or longer.
Some women were successfully convinced that this represented an attractive 
attribute - not realizing that they were really attracted to who and what 
the men were, not the length of their hair - but that was all it took for 
the idea that it was 'cool' to have long hair for a man to take hold.


--- Satyen
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From: mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: we have come! (was Re: Moving this newsgroup to ...)
Organization: Dept. of Wizardry, Univ. of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:59:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.172901.23629@ctp.com> pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap) writes:
>...and that I like saeed's suggestion for a name:
>soc.culture.desi.american
>
>The only problem i see with this name is that it seems to exclude
>"desi's" outside the U.S. as does the present name. 
>Maybe soc.culture.desi.world ?

wait, wait....i got it....soc.culture.desi.solar-system....no, wait
here's one better....soc.culture.desi.milky-way...No, NO...wait!
i got it now!  soc.culture.desi.UNIVERSE!!  yea...that's it....
THAT'S the ticket!!! :) :) :) :) :) :)
>
>-- Preeti pghol@ctp.com

sorry preeti, i just COULDN'T resist....:)

peace,
-purna

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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav)
Subject: Re: To marry (Indian) or not?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:18:56 GMT

============================
 mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota) writes:
> moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>I'll grant that refusing to deal with Indian men can be seen as
>>racism, but all I'm saying is that Indian men have given my friends
>>and I no reasons to go out of our way to date them.
>
>And what are the ``no reasons?'' Well, I know we won't be hearing any
>other than: ``they are sexist!'' I believe one should date one's
>compatibles as well as opposites. One who finds no reasons to date a
>person because of his/her race has to be a racist of sorts. Of course,
>only the honest ones can admit. But honesty is not the best policy in
>dating, as far as I know. In marriage? May be or yes.

 I don't believe that one "should" date one's compatibles as well as
 "opposites." Because, if you know that the date is incompatible/opposite
 you just waste your time. Neither you become happier, nor your date is
 happier. Yes, it is possible that your date will be happy if you just say
 YES. But then, someone else's happiness is not your responsibility. To
 make yourself responsible for someone's happiness is a certain way of creating
 misery. And vice versa. I believe the individual should live just for
 himself or herself. The virtues and the personality that follows such a life
 style automatically attracts your types. True Love takes time.

 Honesty is the best policy in dating and elsewhere. But then, it depends 
 on why you date, and what your life is all about. 

 Be honest. There are just too many singles out there.  To find the right
 one, stop playing games. The right is always a consequence of The Truth.

 Did I misunderstand you, Murthy?

T.Y.
----
tyadav@athena.mit.edu
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From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: Compelling evolutionary reasons for inter-racial marriages (Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian)
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:48:54 GMT

In article <MSANGHVI.92Oct7180912@cs.ulowell.edu> msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu writes:
>In this "younger civilization" we have Africans, Brits, Irish, Italian,
>Greek, Polish, Persian, Germans, French, Native Americans. Thats quiet more of
>a mix then the sub-continent I think.

You have to put it in the context of inter-racial marriages and then relate
it to number of generations of mixing among races. 

>Very wrong indeed. In India there has never been the kind of tolerence you
>suggest for inter-caste marriages and non-existent tolerance for
>inter-religious marriages. It is only in the last 5-10 years that things have
>started to change and some form of tolerence is exhibited. 

Since independence, i.e. 1947 (Israel also got its statehood around
that time) there has been increased tolerance for
inter-caste marriages. Prior to that there were social movements to
support inter-caste mixing. 5-10 years, huh! It doesn't even go before
the term of Rajiv Gandhi. And there were at least 5 prime ministers
who preceded him.

Murthy
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From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian (Re:To marry (Indian) or not ?
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:21:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.222747.29493@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.233842.26140@midway.uchicago.edu>, moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:

>> why...
>> should we go out of our way to date Indians when there are so few of
>> them compared to other Americans?


>1) Because they are highly educated and have a good potential for earning

Just like all the other college students I know...

2) Because they are intelligent

Please, hasn't someone exploded this myth yet?  We are not naturally
more intelligent than the rest of the world!  Encouraged to succeed by
our parents, yes, culturally education-oriented, yes, more
intelligent, no.

>3) Because they are more family oriented, will take care of the kids

Right.  And how many guys do you know who are willing to change
diapers? (This is not intended to slander Indian guys....just guys in
general :-)

>4) They know good Indian cooking !

So do I.  Now, if you can teach me how to make pierogi (polish) or
falafel (middle eastern), I might be impressed. :-)
 
>5) They are independent and have accomplishments to their credits
>(They made it to America) - you can be proud of them

Good for them, but if making it to America is what you're looking for,
there are plenty of other immigrants around.  Still no reason to
prefer Indians.

>6) They are more likely to be 'loyal'

Right.  And if they aren't, what recourse does a respectable wife
have?  Tell her mother, who tells her to endure?  (Yes, things are
changing, but this sort of situation still comes up).

>7) They are less likely to divorce, hence more stable

And who says women want stability?  And if they are less likely to
divorce, are they more likely to fight a divorce if the wife wants
one?  What if he drinks or beats the kids?
 
>8) They are not 'football' fanatics 

No, just cricket.  (Some friends of mine and I once cooked lunch for
some Indian males one of us knew....sambar, idli, etc - which take
hours to make.  They came, they ate, they left to play cricket.  Not
even a thank you.  And help washing the dishes?  Yeah, right.)

>9) They are of Indian origin - same skin, features

And...?

>10) Affirmative Action - give them a chance  :-)

Okay, I'll grant you this one.  Given no reasons to the contrary, we
might as well help out the poor souls. :-) :-) :-)

>Alok

 - Amirthi

-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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From: raghavan@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Long hair and closemindedness (Was looking for attention?)
Organization: -
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:46:16 GMT
Distribution: na

alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:

>Manish's growing hair appears to be a protest against conservatism by 
>and large. Perhaps a protest against 'Reagan-Bush-Quayle' era as well :-)

     No! His *BEING INTELLIGENT* is the real protest against 
     the R-B-Q-C-RP era. :) :) :)

Raghavan
From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Indian women in the Workplace India v/s USA
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:56:21 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

First, some of my opinion on this subject.  From what I've seen of Pakistan,
women have almost no opportunity in the Pakistani workplace.  Only those women
from very wealthy families AND who can fight and stand within a male-dominated
system seem to get anywhere.  Education is the first problem.  Female literacy
in Pakistani villages is as low as 7%.  The national literacy rate hovers near
25%.  

There are some successful female Pakistani architects (the one who designed
the World Trade Center in Karachi), lawyers (Pakistani Feminist organizations),
and doctors (medical school attendance is nearly 50% women now).  I imagine the
same is true of India, if not moreso.  Things are changing, but there's a long
way to go on issues of sexual harrassment, discriminatory hiring practices,
and most importantly equal pay.

Of course, some may say a lot of this due to Pakistan's religion, Islam. 
Islamic countries DO tend to be the most sexist in the world (regardless of
what the religion actually says).  However, Islamic countries like Iraq
(pre-war) and Turkey both offer many more opportunities to women than Pakistan
ever has.  Of course, neither are close to what we have in the West, but
still, I argue that the outright discrimination against women is as much a
result of subcontinental culture as it is of religion.  The only exceptions to
this seem to be Sri Lanka and Kerala -- both who incidentally have very high
literacy rates.  Interestingly enough, both have a mix of religions and
ethnicities.

I think one would delude oneself if one believed the opportunities for women in
the subcontinent were better than they are here.  As an aside, the most
disturbing aspect of all this is that I find a lot of the sexism inherent in
our parents attitudes inherited by their IA children, especially many of the
IA men I meet nowadays.  It's quite scary.


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--saeed jaffer        		so this is what i came here for?
saeed@watson.ibm.com  		i don't think i can play your game
saeed@athena.mit.edu  		you may not agree with what i say
				none of us are perfect in every way
						-J. Cavalluzzo	
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From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Long hair and closemindedness (Was looking for attention?)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:41:01 GMT

In article <samaddar.718902971@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>Your relishing to shock your old friends at the garba dance is probably the
>reason I found most plausible. Though the people you want to shock most is
>probably your parents and rest of family. You are waiting for some II (
>starting with your parents) to make some comments about your long hair so
>that you can promptly pronounce them conservative and always doing things
>SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE.

Actually, as I stated in my article (wasn't it complete enough? :-) ),
I have long hair mainly because I like it.  I do NOT relish entering a room
of II parents and having the whispers going around.  If they would tolerate
a little more, I could be comfortable around them.

When I cut my hair short, my parents gave me hell because it was too short.
Now it's too long.  It seems I have to fit between the acceptable range
of values: a sidha-sadha sharif bundha, a plain simple boy with a plain
simple haircut.

>So, let me modify my earlier claim that some guys wear long hair etc.
>to get -ve attention. Actually, the -ve attention they get is from their
>parents (and other II) and hence is actually +ve attention :-)

In my case, at least, it is not rebellion against my parents.  That's the
whole point I'm trying to get across: your conservatism is not just
dislike for a specific hairstyle, but intolerance for a variety of
personal appearances and, by extension, the ideas of those people.

My parents actually don't object too much at all, neither about the hair
nor about the motorcycle, and I'm much relieved.

Manish
                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
                                                \_/.  .  . . ........
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Guidelines for Newgroup Creation in the Soc Heirarchy
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:38:36 GMT


ACUA-I dudes and dudettes,

Here are the latest guidelines to create a group in the soc heirarchy

Good bedside reading :-)

It is important to follow these guidelines in letter as well as spirit, else 
they (the net.lords: System admins) knock down the group.

Alok
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From att!cs.rpi.edu!tale Sun Sep 20 00:17:48 1992
From: raghavan@fred.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Gee, do we really need subject lines (for this newsgroup)?
Organization: -
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:32:36 GMT

Arijit:

   >I'm not sure I'm ready for pasture yet, Raghavan :-)

Think of it as some sort of 'term limit'. :-)

 Talking about term-limits, I feel *all* political offices should 
have definite term-limits. This would be useful in getting rid of 
likes of the 'Obnoxious One' from North Carolina.

Regards,
Raghavan
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From: s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra)
Subject: RE: anyone outside US reading...
 
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:24:10 GMT

Yep, I do to.

As Pundarik Ranchhod, South Africa says, there are many similarities
between IA experiences and, people, I believe, outside India in general!

Or ???




__________________________________________________________________________
                Permjit Bhamra, Dept. of Computer Science 
                      University of Bergen, NORWAY
                         E-Mail  s312@ii.uib.no         
__________________________________________________________________________
From: sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Sanjay B Shah)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi and Indians (was Re: Desis on TV)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:54:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mece1xg@menudo.uh.edu (purna) writes:
>
> ...
>
>also, don't forget that in the movie Star Trek IV, we had an Indian
>CAPTAIN of a starship! (yes, i know it's the tennis player, but i forget
>his name right now).
>
> ....
>

		Vijay Amritraj was the tennis player featured in
	Star Trek IV.


			Sanjay

		sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: looking for attention?? (was Re: Are IAs close-minded ?)
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:01:14 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
Distribution: na

moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:

>What are you implying?  That women would find them unattractive?
>Maybe we should take a poll...how many women here find guys with long
>hair attractive?  Is it a turn-on or a turn-off?

While we are at it, how about extending the list from long hair to other
things "typically" associated with feminine appearance, eg; applying
lipsticks, wearing skirts/saris/(other "feminine" dresses).

>I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other...but most of the
>guys I've met with long hair have been fairly attractive.

How would you feel about guys wearing "feminine" dresses?

Sumitro
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From: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Indian women in the Workplace India v/s USA
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:54:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.172904.1700@ctp.com> pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap) writes:

>Indian women might be well represented in business colleges, but that
>does not convince me that they are equally well represented in all
>levels of the workforce and in all stages of education. 

My dad always claims that Indian women have it much better in India than
in the U.S.  Setting aside heavy industry's managerial positions for
a moment, he says there are many female judges and doctors in India.

I suspect female judges generally come from privileged families in
India.  I'm not sure about the doctors, except that maybe all the
males emigrated to the U.S. :-).  In general, when I've visited India,
I haven't gotten the impression that women are all-empowered there
(warning: understatement precedes).

Any explanations?

Manish
                                          /-\o /-()  -- -  --   -
   Manish Vij    ::    '89 EX500          \_/ \\/ )  -- -    --
   mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu                       |/_\  -- -  --   - 
                                                \_/.  .  . . ........
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Ten Best Reasons to Date Indian (Re:To marry (Indian) or not ?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:08:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct6.172151.21054@midway.uchicago.edu>, moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne) writes:
> >4) They know good Indian cooking !
> 
> So do I.  Now, if you can teach me how to make pierogi (polish) or
> falafel (middle eastern), I might be impressed. :-)
>  

Come on down ! Wanna learn how to make love too ?
Just kidding, my wife was trying to learn that last time I met her :-)

> >6) They are more likely to be 'loyal'
> 
> Right.  And if they aren't, what recourse does a respectable wife
> have?  Tell her mother, who tells her to endure?  (Yes, things are
> changing, but this sort of situation still comes up).
> 

DIVORCE !

> >7) They are less likely to divorce, hence more stable
> 
> And who says women want stability?  And if they are less likely to
> divorce, are they more likely to fight a divorce if the wife wants
> one?  What if he drinks or beats the kids?
>  

I say go ahead, divorce him !!!

> >8) They are not 'football' fanatics 
> 
> No, just cricket.  (Some friends of mine and I once cooked lunch for
> some Indian males one of us knew....sambar, idli, etc - which take
> hours to make.  They came, they ate, they left to play cricket.  Not
> even a thank you.  And help washing the dishes?  Yeah, right.)

Too bad, feel sorry for you. You should have invited me. I do everything
- cook, clean, wash dishes, even cut your lawn if you have one ...

Alas it is too late ...

> Okay, I'll grant you this one.  Given no reasons to the contrary, we
> might as well help out the poor souls. :-) :-) :-)
> 
Thank heavens, at least you believe in affirmative action ...

> And you, you are a thousand miles away,
> There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem

Fly down, it takes only 2 hours. Lunch is getting ready :-) :-) :-)

Alok
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: bhattach@tazboy.jpl.nasa.gov (Bidushi Bhattacharya)
Subject: typo in posting on lonliness in the us.....oops
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:29:36 GMT

 
In my previous posting, II should replace IA :

>  but the effort here was clearly made by us and not by the IA's
  						             ^^^^

no, this was not a freudian slip.

Peace,

Bidushi
:-)
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