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From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Innovation (was: The Beatles Live)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:13:05 GMT
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In-reply-to: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu's message of 31 Aug 92 15:19:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.151958.17938@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:

   I'm glad you mentioned "rock" in the sentence, Richard. 

Right, I deliberately didn't want to get into the jazz realm. I
couldn't see any way to connect that subject back to The Beatles...


   When it comes to white blues guitar players, Clapton belongs in the
   highest echelon, with very few white individual in his class when it comes
   to sheer blues playing, IMHO....
   Admittedly, I'm leaning towards soloists here, but I'd include McGuinn
   for his *sound* rather then virtuosic abilities


Virtuosity and innovation are quite different things, and innovation
can be further bifurcated into technical and stylistic subcategories.
A handful of players have made their marks in all three areas:
virtuosity, technical innovation and stylistic innovation. Fred Frith
might be an example here. But most prominent rock players hit one or
two, at most. George, for instance, could never be described as a
virtuoso or a technical innovator, but he did make some stylistic
innovations. Maybe Eric Clapton is a virtuoso, maybe he isn't; but he
could never be described as any sort of innovator. Jim McGuinn
actually was something of a virtuoso, at least compared to George
(listen to the solo on Eighth Miles High) and he was a significant
stylistic innovator (ditto). True, his style wasn't very influential,
even though that jangly sound certainly was (and is). But influence is
yet another distinct category. It's not unusual for idiosyncratic
innovators to have little influence.


   Finally, Richard, there is one very important player you omitted:
   Chuck Berry. 

Influential, possibly, but not really innovative. His playing was
pretty derivative of the r&b style of rhythm guitar. It was as a
songwriter and performer that Chuck Berry was important, not as a
guitar player.  Bo Diddley, on the other hand, was certainly an
innovator. But the really significant guitarists in early rock came
from the other side of the fence, the rockabilly side.  George owes
lots more to Carl Perkins than he does to Chuck Berry.
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From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca> n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:
>This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
>Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
>snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
>in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
>fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
>days now. Thanks.
>

THe song you are thinking of is "For You Blue" from the Let it Be album.

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:26:21 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug30.092351.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8906822@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:

>Me and a friend of mine were talking the other night, and we got on to the
>subject about various Beatle songs and album covers and the so-called hidden 
>messages or cryptic clues regarding the famous "Paul is dead" story. In
>particlar we were discussing the "Abbey Road" cover. Now, I know about the
>number plate on the VW showing "28IF" referring to the fact that Macca would
>have been 28 years old at the time of "Abbey Road" IF he wasn't dead already.
>The thing we were trying to work out was the actual symbolic meaning of each 
>Beatle. We came to the uncertain conclusion that George, wearing his denim 
>jeans and what looks like denim shirt was representing the grave digger in his
>work clothes, Paul being the corpse, Ringo in his black suit being the
>undertaker, and John in his all white suit we weren't sure about. Anyway, if
>anybody has read or heard or has an opinion, let's "hear" it.


My understanding has always been:

Paul	= corpse
George	= gravedigger
Ringo	= priest/undertaker
John	= angel of death (or some such)

BTW, did you know that the VW plates were actually incorrect? Paul would have
been 27 (if I remember correctly), but avid Paul-is-dead-mongers apparently
overlooked a fact here and there. I-)

					James Willer
{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
>David.
From: kp@cc.uow.edu.au (Karen Pepper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John acting being shot (was Re: Yoko Background Vocals)
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:38:34 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:


>Finally, I have just finished reading (long after it first appeared) the
>Fred Seaman kiss-n-tell. I had `boycotted' it for a while, because the
>Preface pays tribute to G**man and his so-called biography. But in the
>end I couldnt resist it, as it has some really neat photos in it. Anyway,
>having read the whole thing, and taking into account the fact that he
>obviously has a score to settle with Yoko, I found the book frankly very
>plausible: it seems John was leading a really lonely and pathetic life up
>until he went (was sent) to bermuda and started writing again. What does
>anyone else think of the Seaman book?

Sheerest twaddle. Remember, this guy was one of the _main_ sources
for "The Lives of This Person I Know Oh Alright Me Actually". He
provided such stories as the tale that Yoko informed on Paul and
caused his arrest in Japan for drug possession - a claim which
has been emphatically denied by the alleged victim. 

I had a look at this book in the shop - (he won't be getting any
of _my_ money) - and the general impression was that he is
chiefly interested in bagging Yoko. You know - that evil bitch
who had the _temerity_ to have our Freddy arrested for burgling
her house. Of course he is completely innocent of this
apparent crime, as he explains so touchingly at the end of his
book. Of corse he didn't steal those diaries with the intention of
writing a book - how on earth did anyone get that idea !?  ;-)

-- 
* Karen Pepper                  *                                     *
* Moth Wrangler and Stylist     *  " Fingite me mortuum esse. Dicite  *
*                               *    aliquid belli. "                 *
* kp@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au       *                        - Petronius  *
Organization: Junior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 10:55:42 -0400 
From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Asides in Fab songs (was Elmore James & George)
	<1992Sep1.042710.8934@news.columbia.edu>

OK, several months ago, it was pointed out that in Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da,
after Paul sings, "Desmond lets the children lend a hand," the others
called out Arm! Leg! The second time that (slightly adjusted) line is
sung, I think I here something else in the background; any ideas?

By the way, the end of Hey, Bulldog is my favorite bit, esp. when it's
gone very raucous and John (I assume) shouts "Quiet!" several times; it
just sounds cool. If that wasn't a fun session, none ever was.

JMR
HSK
From: kr11615@yugoslavia (Kent Roessler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: New McCartney Album?
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:25:34 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.

Just wondering if anybody has info about a new McCartney album or what
he's up to these days.

Thanks in advance,

KENT

kr11615@medtronic.com
From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Revolution 9
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:54:38 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Aug4.225340.17941@midway.uchicago.edu> rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Robert James Mohammed Monk) writes:


>As I recall the story (maybe from THE BOOK) they didn't actually play their 
>instruments on that show.  They brought along a tape of the backing track of 
>single version and mimed along.  They did actually sing it, though.  I like the
>"Shooby-Doo-Wah"s too.  I think some bizarre legal issue forced the into this
>semi-synched situation, yielding (for us) a nice combination of Revolution and
>Revolution 1.

I think at about that time the Musicians' Union in Britain had banned
miming (that's BritSpeak for "lip-synching") on TV programmes such as Top
of the Pops, and so on; so it was common for bands to do the vocals live
but mime to the music -  seems to me to have been paying lip service (!)
to the union's desires.

On exception (to the 'sing live mime the backing' rule) I remember at the 
time was Don McLean performing Starry Night (his follow-up to American Pie) 
on telly and messing it up half way through.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: demes@chopin.udel.edu (James A Demes)
Subject: Re: Beatlefest? Did anybody attend???
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:09:27 GMT

There were between 5000 and 6000 people at the Chicago Beatlefest.
It's really amazing that 30 years after the Beatles got together in England,
they can be putting on sucessful conventions over here!

Their next conventions are:
Los Angeles Airport Marriot - October 24-25
NJ Meadowlands Hilton       - March 12-14, 1993
Chicago Hyatt O'Hare        - August 21-22, 1993

For more info, call 1-800-BEATLES

--
Jim Demes  (demes@brahms.udel.edu or demes@freezer.cns.udel.edu)
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From: galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska)
Subject: Re: "All This and World War II"?
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:27:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.233555.968@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>"All This and World War II" was the soundtrack to a movie of the same
>name.  Someone (I don't recall who) had the brilliant idea of taking
>footage from WWII and putting it to covers of Beatle tunes.

>I think this film got much less exposure than "Sgt. Pepper" (produced
>by Robert Stigwood, who had just done "Saturday Night Fever", the biggest
>selling soundtrack album of all time) and the double LP soundtrack was
>rereleased under another name. 

Actually, it had the same name (at least when first released)....

ALL THIS AND WORLD WAR II (1976)
--------------------------------
Ambrosia                Magical Mystery Tour   
Elton John              Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
Bee Gees                Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight
Leo Sayer               I Am the Walrus        
Bryan Ferry             She's Leaving Home     
Roy Wood                Lovely Rita            
Keith Moon              When I'm 64            
Rod Stewart             Get Back               
Leo Sayer               Let It Be              
David Essex             Yesterday              
Jeff Lynne              With A Little Help From My Friends/Nowhere Man
Lynsey DePaul           Because                
Bee Gees                She Came In Through The Bathroom Window
Richard Cocciante       Michelle               
Four Seasons            We Can Work It Out
Helen Reddy             The Fool On The Hill
Frankie Laine           Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Brothers Johnson        Hey Jude
Roy Wood                Polythene Pam
Bee Gees                Sun King
Status Quo              Getting Better
Leo Sayer               The Long & Winding Road
Henry Gross             Help!
Peter Gabriel           Strawberry Fields Forever
Frankie Valli           A Day In The Life
Tina Turner             Come Together
Wil Malone/Lou Reizner  You Never Give Me You Money
London Symphony Orchestra       The End

The album has its moments (Elton with "Lucy", Stewy with "Get Back", Gabriel
with "SFF"), but isn't a particularly good collection of covers....

-- 
Scott Galuska
Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
Univ of Delaware
galuska@asel.udel.edu
From: deryl@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: re:John vs. religion
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:19:22 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Ahh, Saki, that was wonderful.
Thankyou.

Deryl
From: greg@irl.ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John acting being shot (was Re: Yoko Background Vocals)
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: greg@ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear)
Organization: Industrial Research Lab - Univ. of Florida

There is also that section in Revolution 9 where all the gunfire and cannons
go off, with John making weird shuddering noises; kind of sounds like
backward laughter, but it sounds the same backwards.  (What?  Play parts of
The White Album backwards? :-)
--
Greg O'Rear
Industrial and Systems Engineering, University of Florida
orear@ise.ufl.edu
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Sound bytes for Let It Be
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 06:26:36 GMT

James Willer (jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
: Recently someone asserted that the talking during "For You
: Blue" was not recorded during the song, but mixed in later
: by Phil Specter.
: 
: It was my impression (and I could be wrong) that the dialog
: mixing Phil did was limited to the bits in between songs
: ("Queen says no to pot-smoking FBI members.." "I'd just like
: to say thank-you on behalf of the group and ourselves..."
: "that was 'Can you dig it' by Georgie Wood and now we'd like
: to do...").

I don't think Phil Specter is good enough to get the timing & rythym(SP!)
as good as it is for these comments.  It would be EXTREMELY
difficult.  The snippets between the songs, no problem.  Comments
during the songs, however, I don't think were added, but were there
originally.

On a bootleg (I think it's Kum Back, snarfed from the Get Back acetate
I believe) you can hear what is obviously someone's drink being consumed,
the sound of ice in a glass is unmistakable!  George starts the song a
few times, screwing up and enjoying it.

Another great blooper is from Paul, doing Blackbird.  He's going along
pretty well, then misses by a fret doing some of the shifting up & down
the neck.  (it was on 'take these sunken EYES').  He hit it flat, so then
proceded to sing that line in a minor key a few times, before deciding to
try over.  Oh, it's an easy fret to miss, I've found.

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Badfinger (was Re: Apple? Badfinger? Straight Up?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:32:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug26.154930.27588@cbfsb.cb.att.com> yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons) writes:
>In article <9910001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
>>Anyone know when Badfinger's album "Straight Up" is due out on CD?
>>I always thought it was their best.
>>
>>Michael Bishop
>>Hewlett-Packard Company
>>Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
>
>There is a radio station in Chicago (97.9 WLUP) that has a CD info hotline. I
>called them a month ago for the same info and they told me October was the
>release date of Straight Up. No Dice is out on CD now (their first album).
>Anybody bought this yet, I was wondering if it contained Can't Live which 
>was a number one hit for Harry Nielsen
>
>
>    Don Coons
>    dwc@wnb3b2.att.com

Yes ... "Without You" (the proper title) is on there in its original
version.

-- 
David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu
677 Cary Quadrangle
West Lafayette, IN  47906-4243
(317) 495-2843
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: burke@seachg.uucp (Michael Burke)
Subject: Re: Fixing a Hole guitar break
Reply-To: burke@seachg.UUCP (Michael Burke)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 14:40:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.153100.15678@osf.org> rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.054038.691@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>>I've been playing it in my mind here, (don't have the CD with me, just 
>>my memory), but it sounds to me like a fuzz fed through a flanger, possibly
>                                        ^^^^               ^^^^^^^
>>with an envelope follower or wah effect towards the end of the solo.
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^
>
>Three out of four of which didn't exist at the time it was recorded...

Which three do you mean? Fuzz certainly existed, and while a "box" to
create the flanger effect may not have existed, the actual effect that such
a box is designed to recreate certainly did - ie flanging manually...

-- 
---
Michael Burke

Sea Change Corporation
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Tel: 416-542-9484  Fax: 416-542-9479
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From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:21:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug30.232621.702@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>Paul	= corpse
>George	= gravedigger
>Ringo	= priest/undertaker
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>John	= angel of death (or some such)

Sorry, I forgot one. Please make that:
Ringo	= priest/undertaker/mourner

>					James Willer
>{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
> anyone at all.}
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From: howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells)
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:36:25 GMT

rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:

<Once sometime in the early 70s some "hip" tv show (maybe Johnny Cash's
<show?) had Clapton and Perkins on at the same time. Carl played
<*rings* around poor Eric, made him look utterly ridiculous even though
<Eric played about 20 times as many notes. It was a pitiful sight.
<I've never seen "Carl Perkins: A Rockabilly Special", but I would hope
<George came off better than Eric did in the earlier encounter...

That was the Johnny Cash Show, alright. I remember that it was from
around the time of Layla. I don't remember Clapton being shut down that
badly, though. Clapton's best period was, IMO, Bluesbreakers and (live)
Cream, where Clapton's playing was truly breathtaking. 

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov 
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: greatest hits on cd?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:56:59 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep2.132121.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>Hi,
>	I've been looking, not very systematically for the two, two volume 
>sets of the beatles greatest hits. I think one is called 1964 - 1968 and
>the other takes up where the first left off.  Anway, I've been trying to 
>find these on CD. I wonder if the stores are just always out of stock or 
>whether they exist?  If not, any ideas when they'll come out on CD?

>skip
>rlwilliams@gallua.bitnet

I believe you are looking for "The Beatles 1963-66" (red border) and
"The Beatles 1967-70" (blue border).
Those two double LP (or cass. or 8-track) collections were printed by
Apple in 1973 in response to a bootleg greatest hits collection of epic
proportions.  (6 LPs, if I remember correctly, but I was only 9 at the
time...)

They have not been released on CD yet. (Unless you've seen boootlegs I-)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: Val.Thomas@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Val Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: First Ringo Album
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:47:10 GMT

First, the Ringo album is question was titled "Sentimental Journey" and had the following song selections - Sentimental Journey; Night and Day; Whispering Grass; Bye Bye Blackbird; I'm a Fool To Care; Star Dust; Blue Turning Grey Over You; Love Is a Many Splendored Thing; Dream; You Always Hurt The One You Love; Have I Told You Lately That I Love You; Let The Rest Of The World Go By.

Second, Peter Brown was the Personal Assistant to the Beatles from 1967 until Allen Klein fired him in 1970.  He was working with the Robert Stigwood Organization.

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Inane question re: _Yellow Submarine_
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:53:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep3.235745.13192@pellns.alleg.edu> mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs) writes:

>It's been years since last I saw the movie "Yellow Submarine," so I need  
>help remembering something.  There's one character -- the one with all the  
>knowledge -- who says something like "...quid pro quo / So little time, so  
>much to know..."

>1) What was this actual quote in its entirety?

I think there was more to it, but the last verse was
"Ad hoc, ad loc, quid pro quo,
So little time, So much to know"

There was also the line about his new book:
"... and while I'm writing it, I'm also reviewing it ..."
What's the rest of that one? (help!)

>2) What in the world was the characters' name?

Jeremy
Hilary
Boob
Ph.d

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell)
Subject: Re: Byrds
Organization: Mark-one Communications
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:36:07 GMT


In article <oeajYzi00awI84pl0T@andrew.cmu.edu>, jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:
> Hey-ho, all. Back from the summer (yay.), over which I heard Roger
> McGuinn on Pete Fornatell's Spirit of the 60s (or whatever it's called
> now) on K-Rock in NYC. Pete asked about the whole Beatles/Byrds
> influence ?, and Roger said that he picked up the 12 string from George
> (!).  Now, I recall a discussion on this topic quite awhile ago, but not
> the final verdict; I know at least a few felt it was the other way
> around, but here it is from the horse's mouth (I was surprised 'cos I
> had thought the other opinion had "won").

According to the documentary "It was 20 years ago today" on British TV
in 1987... There was an interview with Paul and he said that they'd
picked up that jangly guitar song *from* the Byrds.

> Anyway, talk to you later....
> 
> JMR
> HSK
-- 
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