From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Muffy Does Not Champion Email Abuse (Was: What's the purpose here?)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:31:53
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In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug31173456@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
><In article <MUFFY.92Aug29123017@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
><>In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug29124118@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
><>><In article <MUFFY.92Aug27185934@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>Based on past experience, both personal and 
>other people's, yes. I chose to send email to
>a person who then posted it WITH the permission
>of the moderators...but without my permission.

>Oddly, Muffy seems to find nothing wrong with	
>this.....

Actually, I do find something wrong with this; I think it is a wrong
thing to do.  However, ataylor has never *asked* (until now, sort of) if
I think it is wrong or not, just *assserted* that I do not.

>I see. You reject flames, yet some are posted. 

Exactly.  I reject what I see as flames.  Cindy rejects what she sees as
flames.  Miriam (when around) rejects what she sees as flames.  Now, I
might see something that Cindy or Miriam approves as a flame, but I
don't know that until after it is posted.

><Now, since
><there is no absolute definition of what a flame is, *you* might well see
><flames where I do not, or vice-versa.  
>Uh uh.

I'm glad that you finally agree with me.

><I would have to see the post in
><question (indeed, perhaps if you have it, you would send it to me, or
><post it here for everyon?) to determine if I would have rejected
><it. 
>Oh, you would allow my email to be posted without
>my permission so long as it was "flame free"?

>Thank you for that "policy clarification" so much.

Actually, no.  If I *knew* that it was your private email, I would
reject it.  However, it seems quite likely to me that what happened was
that the moderator in question did not KNOW (not being omniscient, as
I'm sure you'd agree) that it was your private email.

>Posting of email without permission is NOT a personal
>judgment, is it?

No, but it is certainly something that a moderator may not have any
personal knowledge of.

><If all you were doing was protesting the posting, as opposed to
><discussing feminism, then that is not appropriate for soc.feminism, it
><is appropriate for feminism-request, which is the alias for the
><moderators to discuss such problems.

>Ah, so posting of email is appropriate but *protesting* that
>email is 'inappropriate'. Thank you for that clarification.

No.  POSTING the protesting is not appropriate.  Protesting is fine.

>While you're at it, justify the posting of my email
>without my permission....if you can.

I have no intention of doing so.  I don't think it is appropriate.  Of
course, you will now tell me that I *do* think it is appropriate, so
what's the use...*laugh*...it doesn't matter what I say, you never
listen anyway.

><Read the
><informational postings sometime...discussions of how the moderation is
><done are *not* appropriate for postings.  How hard is it to understand
><that?  It seems pretty simple to me.

>Read the net.guidelines. Posting of email is inappropriate.

>How hard is it to understand that? It seems pretty simple
>to me...but then, I'm not a "feminist".

I understand that perfectly, and have never done anything of the sort.
(And yes, it is clear that you are not a feminist.  I don't think you
need to be afraid of anyone taking you for one.)  You, on the other hand,
*have* attempted to post comments *about* soc.feminism to soc.feminism,
rather than directing them to the moderators.

Muffy
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