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From: pcc@kadima.s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wanted SL/SLX Frame
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: pcc@s1.gov
Organization: LLNL
Originator: pcc@kadima.s1.gov


I am looking for a 54cm Frame. I want SL or SLX tubing. If you have
something of the sort, please e-mail me with a $.

Phil

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From: junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:53:24 GMT
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA

In article <1992Apr6.205607.20972@chpc.utexas.edu> ccfa001@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu (Curt Vaughan) writes:
>It finally happened to me last week ... some @#$% QR'd the seat and
>post off of my mtb.  I often wonder where these jerks sell stuff such
>...
>
>Curt Vaughan
>

One solution is simply to replace your QR with an allen bolt. Do you really
adjust your seat height all the time??

    cheers -- John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: singer@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Raleigh Superb: Still Available?
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:36:37 EST

I have just discovered that my Raleigh Superb has been stolen from the garage.
I wonder if this bike is still being produced/exported to North American, and
if so, approximately what the price might be. I have heard that they are no
longer available.-- 
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted: Light Saddles
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:21:26 GMT

paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:

>the frame. While there are plenty of catalog listings for light saddles,
>light seatposts are rarely offered.
>...
> What are some suggested companies, weights, prices, durabilities, and places
>to purchase?

My recent mailorder catalogs (some or all of Colorado Cyclist, Excel,
Nashbar, Performan) have special sections for "Components Lite".  But
$10 for a titanium bottle cage bolt tends to discourage me a bit.

Lite components kinda remind me of my first taste of lite beer --
yeah, so give me the *manly* stuff!!!  :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Chuck Schultz)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: The Twisted Banana BBS, Ithaca NY (US)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:14:17 GMT

stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:

> In article <1992Apr5.072018.14154@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mik
> >I'm not claiming that, say, bicyclists are better about obeying traffic laws
> >than drivers.  Though I doubt it, maybe they are worse.  It's irrelevant.  T
> 
> Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
> laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
> things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
> having night lights on the vehicle.  Non-compliance of bicyclist mainly
> hurts the bicyclist.  They appear in an unexpected place and are hit.  Sad.

One of the biggest problems in city traffic is the law that says
you must stay as far to the right as possible.  This creates a
mindset in riders that they have to stay next to the curb, and
drive around parked cars and other obstructions, such as drains,
etc.  They would be much safer by asserting their right to a part
of the _traffic_ lane, and riding in a straight, predictable line. 
If traffic is slow enough, I even ride in the middle of the lane,
to make sure I don't get squeezed.  Also, I don't pass cars
stopped at a stop light.  I stay in line, rather than tick off
somebody who will soon be behind me.

Chuck Schultz (chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us)     via:  The Twisted Banana BBS
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail.  NOT!!!
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:23:10 GMT

I've been trying to overlook this thread, but can't stand it any more.

Regarding the four cyclists who were run over and killed, someone said:
>Although I didn't send the thread - the "here" referred to is 
>Santa Clara Valley - the accident happened on Hwy 152 - Pacheco Pass -
>also referred to as 'blood alley' - luckily they're (the hwy dept)
>widening that road

Wrong.  They were killed on Hecker Pass Road, which is also Route 152
but has never been called "Blood Alley" and has always had relatively
few accidents.

Colonel Panic wrote:
>Um, the stretch of road that is typically called Blood Alley in this
>area, to my knowledge, is (southern) Monterey Highway, mainly back when 
>U.S. 101 took that route (since replaced by freeway).  I remember the 
>old "22 Deaths in 24 Months" signs well...

Right, though the media have designated "Blood Alleys" in nearly every
major metropolitan area of the U.S.  Given that they always like to
have a "Blood Alley" to talk about, as soon as that dangerous stretch
of Highway 101 was replaced with freeway they redesignated Pacheco
Pass Road as "Blood Alley."  That name will likely hold until the road
is completely changed to freeway in a few years, after which the term
will doubtless find a new location, perhaps on the southern approach
to the Golden Gate Bridge, to which it was applied in earlier years.

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From: davesnyder@igc.org (Dave Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Driver's License as only acceptable
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: igc.1449700021
Nf-ID: #R:inews.intel.com:10185:cdp:1449700021:000:221
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!davesnyder    Apr  7 22:56:00 1992


For all of us who don't see the need for a car driver's license and
regularly get discriminated against, there is an organization in 
California which supports us. It's called SPARTA. Call{ (415)524-0882.

-- dave snyder
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Summary: 700C vs 26" for off-road use
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:33:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.150914.26149@news.larc.nasa.gov> Ken_Goodrich@gcdmacs.larc.nasa.gov (Ken_Goodrich) writes:
>Not to beat a dead horse if this a frequently discussed issued, but why did
>mountain bikers go back to 26" wheels if roadies have found 27/700 wheels to be
>the best compromise between fit and performance.  I can see that MB frames are

Mountain bikers never "went back" to 26" tires.  They chose 26" wheels because
early bombers/clunkers/ballooners used 26" wheels.  Besides, fat 700C tires
were pretty hard (if not impossible) to find 15 years ago.  There were some
builders who did experiment with 650B tires though.

>typically smaller than RB frames, increasing fit problems, but it also seems
>that the ability of a large wheel to roll over obstructions more easily than a
>small wheel would favor the use of large wheels on MB's, at least in larger
>frame sizes.  So what compelling arguments are there for 26" off-road wheels --
>strength?, aesthetics?-They do make the bike look like a cute little
>motorcycle.  Could a racer gain a (small) edge by using 700c wheels, assuming
>appropriate tires and frame were available.

In one of Bianchi's ads (and their catalogue), there's a "testimonial" by
an MTB racer named Joe Blanco; he says that other racers refer to his 700C
wheeled "mtb" as a "cheater bike."  They (Bianchi) list some reasons why
700C wheels are superior for off-road use (larger contact patch, shallower
angles between wheel and obstacle, etc.).

Contrary to popular opinion, 700C wheels perform as well, if not better
than 26" wheels off-road.  Take a look at a stage coach; it has enormous
wheels (in addition to suspension) for shock absorption.

As far as "appropriate tires and frames," there are some.  Specialized,
Bianchi, IRC, Continental, and Panaracer all produce 700C tires wider
than 40mm.  Unfortunately, very few frames can handle tires this wide
(due to a stupid import tariff).  Bianchi and Diamond Back both have
several 700C-wheeled "mountain bikes" in their line-ups.

After riding 700C wheels off-road for some time now, I see no reason
(for me) to go back to 26" wheels.  I'm in the process of building up
a lightweight ( < 25lbs) "mountain bike" that uses 700C wheels, and has
clearance for 45mm tires (and lots of mud room).

If anyone finds all this interesting, I'll be reviewing/testing fat tire
(700C) capable bikes by Bruce Gordon and Diamond Back in future issues
of _crosswords_.  There will also be an article on 700C tires wider than
40mm.  E-mail me for more info.

>Ken_Goodrich


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From: ewk@landshark.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:05:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr7.200536.19864
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.

In <1992Apr6.205607.20972@chpc.utexas.edu> ccfa001@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu (Curt Vaughan) writes:

>It finally happened to me last week ... some @#$% QR'd the seat and
>post off of my mtb.  I often wonder where these jerks sell stuff such
>as this, and how much they actually get for their "efforts."  The combo
>cost an arm and a leg to replace, and I hate having to carry the doggone
>seat and post around with me.  Short of replacing the QR with a regular
>bolt, has anyone come up with a method of securing a QR at least enough
>to slow the thief down?

Local bike shops carry "seat-post" locks.  They're basically short thiln
er, thin cables that you attach to your seat and frame.  They're easy to
cut, but it will slow a thief.  Personally, I always take mine with me!

-Rick
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:21:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.151436.13404@unocal.com> stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.003313.6485@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> dabowsky@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kamron) writes:
>I heard in mainland China if a driver hits a pedestrian, they sometimes go
>back and run over the person again until they are dead.  If the victim dies
>they just have to pay funeral expenses, whereas they live, they have to pay
>medical bills and compensation which is more costly.
 
That explains something I saw in Southern China a few years back (in Hanzhou)
.A father was riding a bike with his daughter (about 2) on the handlebars
(this is the way they often take the kids to school) 
and got sideswiped by a truck (A common occurance if one rides bikes in China)
. The little girl fell right in the middle of the road and the father and 
bike fell off the side of the road. All these trucks ( picture the 
type you see on MASH or Indiana Jones- covered with canvas 
and about 15 guys sat in benches on the back) were just continuing on- 
missing the kid by inches at about 30mph- barely bothering to swerve. 
The father was desperately trying to get to her, but he couldn't move as he had 
a broken leg.  There must have been about 100 people on the sidewalk who
saw the accident and they just kept on walking. I was nearly hysterical
and my Chinese friends were physically holding me back to keep me from 
running into the traffic (it was quite clear the trucks were not
going to stop just for this kid in the street) My friends were
not going to help her but finally because they saw I was so upset
they went and got her out of the street just before this huge 
truck came barreling around a corner- it would have hit her for sure!!!!  

:-(
Kristin
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 15:00:12 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject:  For Sale

Bridgestone CB-O:  50cm, like new, up-grade on brakes, rack, water bottle
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Paris-Roubaix
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:41:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.130933.23709@uni-paderborn.de> laetta@uni-paderborn.de (Udo Koerber) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.033827.2922@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
gooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carl Gooch) is news-hungry:
>|> Well, I know who won, but that's about it. ...
>
>I just saw a TV-broadcast that covered the last 15-20k of the race.
>[race narrative deleted]

>Sorry 'bout the incompleteness, ...

>        udo.

incompleteness?  That's a **whole** lot more than we've gotten
anywhere else!

Thanks for posting what you had!

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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Subject: HELP on aero bars!!!!
From: estelter@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:38:30 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


>>
>>  I'm looking to buy a set of aero bars and wanted some opinions
>>  on what type to buy.  I am mainly a recreational rider but plan 
>>  compete in some triathlons and a few shorter bike races.
>>
>> Thanks to all who reply!!
>>		S.R.
>>
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From: ramsey@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Brenda Ramsey)
Subject: Olympic Velodrome this weekend
Originator: ramsey@kona.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 21:21:06 GMT

Last weekend at the Olympic Velodrome was an exciting one and
there will be more this weekend!

Early admission (before 4 pm) is $2.50 and $5.00 after 4.
Parking is FREE all day.

Concession stand opens at 5:30, but you may bring your own
food/drink with you if you like.

There should be some good 1/2 time entertainment as well.

For more information call: 310/516-4000

Race results will be posted on Monday.
-- 
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UCLA Computer Science Department
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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycles & liability insurance
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:15:33 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr10.202652.18492@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:

>     One crash was enough for my buddy.  He quit riding and sold his
>motorcycle.

Ah, if only we could persuade car drivers to behave like this! After a
few years the roads would be so much safer!
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:17:32 GMT
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA

In article <1992Apr7.191842.25127@ee.ubc.ca> ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H) writes:
>Well, I'm fortunate enough to have suffered only 1 'big' crash.
>
>I dunno, any body got any other crash stories with clipless'?
>
>
>Isaac Leung

A friend of mine who races on our mt bike team crashed while going fast 
and trying to hop over a log during a race.  He has SPD pedals and the
orignal Shimano mtb SPD shoes and rides with his cleats much tighter
than I do. One foot released but the other cleat tore out of the
bottom of the shoe leaving a large hole in the sole.  Shimano gave
him a new pair of shoes; said it was a warranty problem.....

     cheers - John
From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Tour of Flanders and Euro Racing Scene
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:48:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stelvio

In article <16190227@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, gosch@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Gosch) writes:
> >
> >From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
> >
> >If I am a domestique and my team leader orders me to chase, then I will
> >do it, no questions asked.  However, if the leader of another team
> >asks me to chase, I am less likely to help him.  Why?  Because I receive
> >no benefit from it but, while I am helping this leader justify his huge
> >salary that may be as much as 20-30 times greater than mine.  In this
> >instance, the only way I am going to chase is if I get paid for it.
> >
>  Perhaps I'm overlooking something, but . . .
> 
>  Why would a domestique from one team do what the leader of another team
>  tells him to do in the first place?  Isn't the whole idea to do what
>  YOUR team owner/manager/leader tells you to do?
> 
>  Just curious :)

I have been asked this by several other readers so I will reply directly
to the net.

Because professional bicycle racing is such a tough and demanding sport,
making deals that affect the outcome of a race have evolved over time
and are now an integral part of the sport.  People ask me why Andy Hampsten
is having a hard time of it these days and I think it is because this
aspect of the sport really sickens him.  Guys like Greg LeMond look on
the sport with a more businesslike approach and are more accepting.
That is not to say that Andy is good and Greg is bad, it is just a
different attitude.

Anyway, not every race means the same to each rider.  With the advent of
FICP points things have gotten much more complex but, that is another
can of worms.

You can imigine the thrill of winning a big race in front of the home
town(or country) and this is were many of the deals begin.  It may
be something as simple as, "If you guys on that Belgian team help
my French team win this race in France, we will help you win that
big race in Belgium".  Or it may be something like "if you guys on team X
help our climber out in the mountains, we on team Y will help your
sprinter out on the flat stages"(this actually happened in the 1991
Tour de France).  Or it may just be something as simple as "we are near
the end of this French race and a couple of Belgians are in the lead.
Team "A" is French and has the fastest sprinter but, Team "B" which
is also French will work to reel in the Belgian to set up a French
victory to save national pride and appease the French fans."

There are much more subtle examples, but these demonstrate the point.
My original argument was that this cooperation usually went unpaid,
kind of "If you scratch my back, I will scratch yours", but now
everyone wants to get paid up front to work.

Hope this helps,

Bruce
From: rjt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ross.j.thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Summary: Clipless pedals not releasing in crash
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:39:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Apr10.173956.15008
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Apr9.204807.29322@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:
> Has
> anyone ever crashed at speed in a clipless pedal and not released?
> 
> John_Ampe@att.com

Yes, I have.  I was descending a slight grade and just about to overtake my
partner that day as we passed the leveling of the grade.  I was traveling
about 23 mph and as I approached his rear wheel I forgot to compensate for
his "typical" pedalling wander (he compensates for weak/tired legs by pulling
on the bars). When he started to crank, he moved left and nudged my wheel
(only about a 1-inch overlap) and I went down.

As I came to a stop, sliding on my right hip, I tried to get up but I was
still astride the bike and my shoes were still held fast in both clipless
pedals.  The pedals were and still are Sampsons and I haven't had fall since.

Ross Thompson
AT&T Bell Laboratories

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* won't become unbalanced with scar tissue from the road rash.  Symmetry  *
* is a thing of beauty and should be preserved.  It's OK to shave both    *
* legs but not just one.                                                  *
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From: elr@uunet.uu.net!trintex (Unix Guru-in-Training)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:08:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uunet.1992Apr8.220822.8643
Organization: Prodigy Services Co.

In article <mumble@arrgh.urgh.ahem> someone on the net reports:

>It finally happened to me last week ... some @#$% QR'd the seat and
>post off of my mtb.

>Short of replacing the QR with a regular
>bolt, has anyone come up with a method of securing a QR at least enough
>to slow the thief down?

In NYC they'll steal your seat whether or not you have a quick release
on it -- what we do here is loop some old bicycle chain between one of
the seat rails and the frame.  Now you need a chain tool or bolt cutters
if you want to take the seat off.  Cut a length of old inner tube and slide
the chain through it before riveting the loop closed -- this keeps any
gook on the old chain from getting on you and makes the installation nice
and neat.  Be sure to leave some slack for seat height adjustments.

-- 
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