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From: berger@sfc.sony.com (Bob Berger)
Subject: Re: Optifast (Liquid diets)
Keywords: liquid diet body metabolism cold sexn
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:55:10 GMT

There is now a drug that the Optifast doctors prescribe that eliminates
(or at least significantly reduces) the potential for the gall bladder
problems during the fast.

I did the optifast program myself and lost just under 40lbs. What it did for
me was get me down to a weight where I could feel good about excersizing and 
gave me a psycological boost to really move forward with a lifestyle change.

I've since been doing regular aerobic and weight excersize and keeping the
fat in my diet at less than 20% of calories in.

I wish that I had done some minimal weight work while on the diet as you
definately loose muscle as well as fat. Its very critical that some excersize
(like walking) is done every day while on the fast.

I do have to wonder though, if the diet was in the end a negative for slowing
down my metablism even more that it was before....

The real danger of these liquid diets is if you yo-yo on them as you will
replace muscle with fat each time you diet and then regain weight...




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Newsgroups: misc.fitness,sci.med
From: sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson)
Subject: Question.......
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:05:09 CDT

I just have a general question.  When I embark on a bike ride, I get really
sore within the first mile or two.  I have to back way off to recover but
when I do, I can go the rest of the day at the same pace that I had to 
recover from with non problems and only mild (if any) soreness.  After
talking to some of my friends, who all think this is rather strange, I'm
wondering if other people also go through this.  Or am I just weird?

Curiously yours,

Curt

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From: vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (student)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Frustration City
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:25:37 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <ratner.719001527@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (David Ratner) writes:


>Weight-lifting and body-building, just like everything else, has a large
>mental component.  The self-fulfilling prophecy holds --- if you think
>you can't do it, you won't.  You need to be able to push yourself, and a 
>negative self-image essentially means that your brain tells you to stop
>before you really need to stop --- "Oh, I can't do any more reps" rather than
>trying to do another. My old track coach used to speak of "kicking Joe Cortex"
>where he meant stopping your brain from tricking you into stopping before
>your BODY tells you to stop.  Granted, I'm not saying that just thinking
>you can press 450 means you will, but it can make the difference between
>doing 1 rep and doing 3 or 4.

I heartily agree.  I've been lifting weights for almost a year.  I started
with Universal and Nautilus and then realized that free weights could be
much more fun.   Not until about a month ago did I realize how much it
can help to really psych yourself up and push yourself to the edge.  I
knew that I was *supposed* to be psyched to lift, but never really knew how
to do it.

One day, I went into the gym during a period where I was facing a lot of
stress at work and in my personal life.  All of the sudden, while bench
pressing, a fountain of rage was released and I found myself doing almost
twice as many reps as normal.  Since that incident, I've been able to put 
myself into that "psyched up state" at least once or twice a week.   It
has made a big difference in the quality of my workout, the soreness of
my muscles, and the amount of weight that I can lift!

Aaron
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: A question....
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:43:17 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Oct6.194234.10347@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com (Jeff Heilner) writes:
> 
> Here's a bizarre question about an observation I had....
> 
> It seems every time I see pictures of bodybuilders, or even male models on  
> fitness magazines, they are completely void of body hair (or at least  
> chest hair).
> 
> I suppose the reason is that the lack of chest hair results in better  
> muscle definition, but is this a genetic requisite for being a  
> bodybuilder/fitness magazine model, or do they regularly shave their chest  
> hair (OUCH!) or get rid of it in some other way?

It is a requirement for bodybuilding and the up and coming fashion is guys with
little body hair.  I just spent an hour shaving my body last night for a body
building competition this week.  All I have to say, is that I am glad I am not
a female.  WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASS!!  :-)

-Rob

> 
> Just wondering.
> 
> 
> - Jeff
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Wisdom of working two muscle groups in one exercize
Originator: glex@nitro
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:20:34 CDT


In article <1992Oct9.191420.10497@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
|> (pulling it my chest, rather than the back of my neck)
|> to work my biceps and forearms (which get super pumped 
|> I've also been doing Universal seated rows to get my biceps.
|> I have discontinued other bicep stuff for now.  Can these
|> exercises (front-lat-pulldowns and rows) be sufficent to
|> _substitute_ for plain bicep exercises?   If not, why?

What's wrong with curls?  Doing pull-ups to work the bicep is similar to doing a
bench to work the front delts.  Sure they are worked, but not very efficiently.
I'd bet that the part of your bicep that is sore is right up by the inside
elbow, correct?  Pull-ups are a secondary exercise for biceps and a primary
exercise for your back, same with rows.  Your arms are the weak link, so don't
work arms before back/chest. If you're looking for variety these are fine, 
especially if performed as a burn set after your basic movements (2-3 times
per month). If you're looking to build size, stick to the basics(any type of
curl). Don't forget that the tricep is 2/3s of your upper arm.  If you want big arms concentrate on the Tri's.  Bi's are very small and don't require a lot of
sets to tear'em up.

EOT  ;-) 
^I've always wanted to do that while using talk.. just practicing I guess.. 
-- 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kimber@rigel.tamu.edu (FAIRCLOTH, KIMBERLY DIANE)
Subject: Re: love handles
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:34:00 GMT

In article <1687FD5C6.VSANNICE@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il>, VSANNICE@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Annice Grinberg) writes...
>My fat accumulates around the buttock and thigh area.  When I get below a
>certain weight, the top part of me gets scrawny and I start losing what
>little breast tissue I have.  My face gets gaunt, and my collarbone juts
>out.  I once went for some minor surgery at this stage, and had a hard
>time convincing the doctor that I wasn't in the throes of starvation.
>Every rib was visible.  I have decided that at my age (over 50) a some-         sterior is better than a haggard appearance.
>what large posterior is the price I have to pay not to look like an old
>crone.  (Anyway, my husband likes it.)
> 
>Annice

I, also, tend to carry most of my fat in the thigh and buttocks.  And about
2.5 years ago, I had dropped 60+ pounds, which made my top very scrawny and
thin (but,well toned...I had been fitness walking and carrying 3.5 lb weights),
but my face looked so drawn.  My sister says now that I looked so sickly.  The 
kicker was I still had a good 20-30 (guessing of course) pounds in the 
thighs and buttocks that I needed to lose.


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: RICK@ysub.ysu.edu (Rick Marsico)
Subject: Re: split routine question
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:57:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.083629.8487@mr.med.ge.com>
bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
 
>
>Splitting it on a day of the week basis doesn't really balance it to me.
>I always rotate from one session to another, if you work arms 3 days
>and legs one you could end up with 22" arms and 20" thighs.  If you
>want to stay balanced you need to spend an equal amount of time on
>each muscle.
>
 
I have my doubts on this one.  On average, larger muscle groups require
longer recovery periods than do smaller ones.  For example, abs and fore-
arms can be worked almost daily without the risk of overtraining.  Try
doing this with legs or back, not possible for long.
 
Rick
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Who won the Nationals?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:07:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.145507.23055@scott.skidmore.edu> kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Couples winner Craig Lickers and Celina Martins from Massachusetts were in
>the best condition, but the couple that took second deserved first for 
>there "incredible" routine.  

Just wanted to say: yay, home team!  whatever the hell that means...
(hey!  Poo always gets excited when someone from his gym does well!)

[stuff deleted]

Ron
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Frustration City
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:00:56 GMT

In article <1687FB65E.TAC@ysub.ysu.edu> TAC@ysub.ysu.edu (Troy Allen Cross) writes:
>In article <Bw2IpL.1zw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
> 
>>
>>ARRRGGGGG!!  Does anyone else out there get frustrated with their muscle
>>improvement ???
>>
>Yes.  I believe we all do.
> 
>>        Is there any hope of speeding up my progress, or is it all genetics?
>>I am thinking about giving up because I am getting tired of putting in so much
>>effort and seeing such little gains.
>>
>If I were you, I would just give up.
> 
>Because, if you are not lifting because you enjoy it, you will end up
>giving up sooner or later.  (This advice, I believe, is similar to the
>don't diet because you will just gain it back if you don't change your
>eating lifestyle argument.)
> 
>If you believe that the benefits you receive from working out are not worth
>the time you allocate to working out, you definitely need to change your
>routine.  If changing your routine (a few times at least), does not change
>your attitude towards lifting weights, maybe lifting weights is not for
>you.  Try something else.  I believe, the benefits of working out whether
>it be lifting, running, etc. is worth it.
> 
>And just maybe, this article will tick you off just enough that you will
>show us all that you can lift and make improvements.
> 
>Just remember, that everyone is different.  Try many routines and create
>the one that works for you.  I would recommend trying the routines that
>are for hardgainers, like those in IRONMAN magazine.
> 
>Troy

Dude, wake up!

10 pounds in 5 months ins not only phenomenal, it is the *most* any
beginner can expect to gain!   I say beginner, because once you start getting
more advanced, the gains come slower and harder.  At your rate,
you'll gain about 24 pounds in your first year of lifting (which is about
what I gained), so don't worry!

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Subject: Re: Press vs. Flys for Chest 
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:18:06 GMT

cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.151004.14470@spdc.ti.com> wall@spdc.ti.com (Raj Wall) writes:
> >After reading a suggestion here (I don't have the author, sorry), I
> >have been doing incline and decline press in addition to regular bench
> >press.  At the gym I was told I was wasting my time with incline and
> >decline _press_ and what I needed to do was incline and decline
> >_flys_.  I appeal to the collected wisdom of the net: Are incline and
> >decline press exercises a waste of time?  Should I only do flys?
> >Both?  Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Raj
> >wall@csc.ti.com
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Flyes are great, and I usually do them at the end of each and every
> chest workout: but tell the person who told you than flat/incline
> benches are a waste of time that he doesn't know shit.
> 
> If you were only to do 2 chest exercises for the rest of your life,
> it would be flat and incline presses.
> 

And ... you'd never gain any mass doing the same thing all the time!


> Ron
> 

Yeah, that person doesn't no shit!  Anyway, I usually do a heavy and a light
workout during the week for one bodypart (and it changes for a different 
body part every week)...but, on a heavy day you should always work the weakest
part of the pec, which is your upper chest.  On these days, incline presses
are done first and any other incline work.  Then, move on to the lower chest,
saving declines for last (altho, I don't do these.  Being a woman, my upper
chest is more important).

On light days,  I will do incline flyes and probably flat flyes too along
with presses and/or cables and flat bench work etc. - it changes all the time.
  
I always use dumbells because I feel that I can isolate better, but that's 
a matter of preference...

Good luck!
:)

Kelly.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.climbing
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Workout From Hell, anyone?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 22:00:44 GMT

I don't know if this is the workout from hell that you're looking for, but I
found this in my bit bin:
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Test. and Sun??????????
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:43:51 GMT

In article <j252116@pro-haven.cts.com> shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>In <1992Oct2.075459.416@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>
>At the expense of violating copyright laws, I'll quote some of the magazine:
>
>        "As for the anabolic effects of sunlight these occur because the
>        hormonal system is affected in two ways.  When sunlight enters the
>        eyes, it stimulates nerves in the backs of the eyes to send impulses
>        to the spinal cord.  From there the impulses are sent back into the
>        brain, to the pinal body, or gland.  The pinal body produces a
>        hormone called melatonin, which acts as a catalyst that not only
>        affects the brain, but other glands, such as the pituitary, adrenals,
>        ovaries, and testes, as well. 
>
>        When sunlight strikes the skin, it can produce sex hormones in the
>        skin itself.  When the chest or back is exposed to sunlight, the male
>        hormones may increase by as much as 120%, and when the genital area
>        is exposed, the increase can be as much as 200%.  In addition, the
>        exposure to sunlight produces adrenaline, which can not only boost
>        energy and concentration, but can also stimulate the other glands to
>        produce even more hormonal substances.
>
>        Experiments show that because sunlight stimulates the thyroid gland,
>        exposure can trigger fat loss and an increase in metabolism.  We've
>        all seen men and women who seem to live at the beach and who look to
>        be lean and vital and filled with energy.  While a portion of that
>        vitality must be attributed to lifestyle, the majority of it can be
>        credited to consistent daily exposure to the sun."
>
>(Ironman Magazine, October 1992, pp 193-194)
>
>From my own personal experience, I've found that when I combine my workouts
>with "catching some rays" about once a week, my gains seem to be a little
>more solid and permanent, and I generally tend to feel better.  My bodyfat
>seems to stay down, too.  (or that just could be that having some color in my
>skin makes me look thinner. you decice.)
>
>Let's throw this into the ring for some serious discussion, shall we?
>
>[After all, since _ALL_ life on earth stems from solar energy in one form or
>another, doesn't it stand to reason that exposure to said sun would make life
>better?]
>
>-blaine
>
>-blaine   a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
>Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
>Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
>        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."
>

well now, let's remember that if one develops skin cancer, it won't matter
what kind of gains are made at the gym.

and blaine, you have such wide lats -- only the noontime sun could get
the whole thing, yes?  :)

poo
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.climbing
From: gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier)
Subject: Re: Workout From Hell, anyone?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:12:32 GMT

In <1992Oct16.140727.14164@hellgate.utah.edu> ych@cs.utah.edu (Yuan Hsieh) writes:

>In article <Bw84In.989@cs.dal.ca> gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) writes:
>I was just reading my friend's copy of Rock and Ice this morning and
>(#41 pp. 43-45), there is this short article from John Long called 
>"Workout From Hell - Postscript".  If this is the one you want, the original 
>article was published in Rock and Ice #39, according to this article.
> 

I've tracked down a copy of WFH... but I've not heard about this postscript.
What does it say? Is there a modification to the routine or any useful
comments?

PG


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cwerner@nyx.cs.du.edu (Craig Werner)
Subject: Bruce Jenner's Stair-Climbing Machine
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:02:08 GMT

Hello, everyone.
 
Last night on late TV, my wife and I saw a half-hour promotion
for the Bruce Jenner stair-climbing machine.  It is made of hard
plastic, weighs about fourteen pounds, and costs about $150. 
Does anyone know how good this machine is?  By "good," I am
referring to reliability and overall benefit to the user.  Please
post here, or send e-mail.
 
Thank you.
 
Craig Werner <cwerner@nyx.cs.du.edu>

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Spot Reduction
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:22:43 GMT

  There are intelligent studious people who still believe in spot reduction,
believe it or not!!!!:)  I just had such a friend advise me on how to lose
weight.  He said I didnt need to do my rowing machine or stair climber since
I was already trim and muscular in those areas.  He claimed the way to
reduce an area was to do many reps of exercise for that area since the
exercise would stimulate the muscle to grow and the muscle would feed
on the fat nearest to it.  Spot Reduction.

  Maybe I've been reading on exercise topics to long, but for me dismissing
spot reduction is a cliche of the mother's milk variety.  I still feel
stunned that such a person, not inbred could believe such a thing.  Sheesh!

Steve Russell
From: Wilma_Braat@mindlink.bc.ca (Wilma Braat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:38:14 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I agree.  It is much better to work all muscles for roughly the same amount
of time.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Flat Butt
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:36:34 GMT

In article v126pt49@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert P Baccaray) writes:
>I've got flat butt.  What weight exercises or any exercises can I do to make my
>rear end look healthier?

Squats.  I used to have a flat butt too, but a few thousand squats
later, I have what my SO calls an "apple ass."  It turns out she 
*liked* my flat butt.  
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: split routine question
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:57:28 GMT

>From: karl@isgtec.com (Karl Sewlochan)
>
>Whether or not muscle groups like traps are considered a shoulder or
>a back exercise I'll leave to you (for reference I consider it
>a shoulder-type exercise).

i think technically traps are supposed to be back muscles.
i prefer to work traps *after* shoulder work, so my shoulders are
good and warmed up. for me, trap work just doesn't feel as good if
the shoulders arent really warmed up.

of course the ideal situation is to work back and shoulders on the
same day, and do trap work last! ;-)

Janice

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From: bledbett@fish.prime.com (Bruce Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Legenary Abs - Fit For Life
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:00:37 GMT
Reply-To: bledbett@fish.prime.com (Bruce Ledbetter)
Distribution: na
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA



        Over a year ago there was much talk over the "Legendary Abs"
        program from Fit For Life.  I snagged the routine of the net
        and have been using with great sucess, but I'd like to have the
        real thing from the real people.  Can someone please provide me with
        an address or phone number of Fit For Life so that I can legitimately
        order the booklet about Legendary Abs?

        Thanks in advance.
        Bruce
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: fogarty@jpljpt.jpl.nasa.gov   (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: numb hands
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:37:45 GMT

Toni M. Whited writes
> I have recently started using wrist straps to do pullups; you know,  
those
> things that secure themselves around your wrists and that you wrap  
around the
> pullup bar.  I have been experiencing a slight numb feeling in my little
> fingers since I started this.  I have no idea if there is any causation
> involved here, only correlation. So I would like to know if anybody has
> had a similar experience, and, if so, if there is any simple remedy.
> 
> Toni  

carpal tunnel syndrome

stop using the wrist straps

--
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Computer Systems Manager 
SIR-C Project, STS-59
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