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From: ppoblete@dcc.uchile.cl (Patricio Poblete)
Subject: Re: Alfajores
Originator: ppoblete@pincoya
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 22:02:20 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <1992Sep8.134939.1@rhodes.aero.org>, singer@rhodes.aero.org writes:
>The dulce de leche you can easily make by cooking in a boiling pot of water
> a can of
>condensed milk for about 2 hours. REMEMBER! In boiling water place a un-opened
>can of condensed milk, NOT the CAN directly on the stove!

And make sure the can is ALWAYS covered by water, by adding more water
if necessary. NEVER EVER let the pot become dry, or the can will EXPLODE
(really!).
                        __			ppoblete@dcc.uchile.CL
  _   _   _   /   / _   / _			Patricio Poblete
 /_) /_) (_) /_) / (-' / (-'			Dept. of Computer Science
/   / 						University of Chile
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: reid@penguin.ocgy.ubc.ca (Ken Reid)
Subject: CNN latin american news
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:30:20 GMT

Does anyone know if CNN has time dedicated to latin American news?
If so, when is it?
Thanks for any help.

Ken Reid
Atmospheric Sciences
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, B.C.
e-mail: reid@ocgy.ubc.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: dexter@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Michele Mauro 342258/IF)
Subject: Help needed in Chile, please quick!
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:18:23 GMT

This is kindasorta emergency call. I need to contact someone in 
Santiago del Chile or, better, Rancagua, in Chile, too. I need some kind of
contact between me and someone who lives there. If anyone can help, please
answer asap. Anyway, consider this message expired after th 25th of Sep.
Thank you very much.

Answer to: dexter@sabrina.dei.unipd.it

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Re: Do'nde esta'n las noticias de IPS?
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:18:53 GMT

 Si yo tambien estoy de acuerdo, segun parece aqui nadamas se oye de 
Nicaragua, el Salvador y Cuba, que paso con el resto de los paises de 
Latinoamerica? se los trago la tierra o nada interesante sucede alla? (lo
cual dudo, Latinoamerica es una jungla politica...)

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From: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:33:53 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Roberto Shironoshita writes:

>In article <17045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>> Associated press has just reported that the terrorist of al terrorist in
>> Peru, Abimail Guzman, leader of the genocidic Communist Party of Peru was
>> arrested in his middle class home, where he  was hiding from authorities.
>> News reports also indicate that the leaders of the Cuban sponsored MRTA
>> guerillas were also captured.  Any other  news surrounding these
>> delightful events?

>Just a couple of nitpicks:

>a. The name is Abimael, with an 'e'.

Whoops!  I must have gotten accustomed to the manner in which Peruvians break 
the hiatus and use a glide instead of an 'e'. 

>b. The said person is the leader of a terrorist organization that labels
>   itself "Partido Comunista del Peru -- Sendero Luminoso" (Communist Party
>   of Peru -- Shining Path).  That does not mean this group of people is a
>   political organization, nor does it mean they have current ties with the
>   Partido Comunista del Peru (Communist Party of Peru).

Sorry, but it seems that it is a very organized politco-military organization 
and, as we have been hearing in the Times, Gonzalo himself is a superb 
organizer who has ensured that other may continue the struggle in the event he 
is captured.

As to the communist party buisiness, that's what they call themselves and 
that's what we should call them even it there is another Communist Party which 
happens to be a cuban controlled stalinist party, and unlike Sendero, does not 
follow chairman Mao's ideas.  After all they are "marxists leninists" whith a 
few extensions which you can't find in other communist parties.  Furthermore, 
the very same words "Sendero Luminoso" come from none other that the late 19th 
century peruvian marxist and founder of the Peruvian Communist Party, J.C. 
Mariategui, who said tha marxism would serve the native population of Peru like 
a "shinning path".  So let's continue calling them what they want to be called: 
"Partido Communista del Peru" and leave their maiden names for others to figure 
out.

Edelmiro Salas
easalas@ucdavis.edu
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: psilva@dcc.uchile.cl (No sean SAPOS!!)
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Originator: psilva@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:39:54 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

In article <17045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Associated press has just reported that the terrorist of al terrorist in Peru,
>Abimail Guzman, leader of the genocidic Communist Party of Peru was arrested
>in his middle class home, where he  was hiding from authorities.  News reports
>also indicate that the leaders of the Cuban sponsored MRTA guerillas were also
>captured.  Any other  news surrounding these delightful events?
>
>Edelmiro Salas

FELICIDADES!!! Y SALUDOS A LOS HERMANOS PERUANOS por la captura de
ese terrorista!!! que tantas muertes causo' en el Peru!. 

atte psilva
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:46:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.200953.27891@spss.com> markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:
>Puede ser que a los lectores de este newsgroup les interesara un somario 
>de los mas recientes articulos por pais sobre cual se concentran.
>
>            no politicos   politicos   total
>Nicaragua         1           52        53
>Cuba              2           49        51
>Argentina         2            7         9
>El Salvador       4            3         7
>Panama            3            2         5
>Peru              1            3         4
>Guatemala         -            3         3
>Mexico            1            2         3
>Colombia          3            -         3
>Chile             2            -         2
>Brasil            -            1         1
>Haiti             -            1         1
>Costa Rica        1            -         1
>Bolivia           1            -         1
>Ecuador           1            -         1
>generales*       32           27        59
>               ------       ------   --------
>                 54          150       204
>
>* articulos de asunto continental, o tratando mas de un pais
>
>Quizas necesitamos un nuevo newsgroup-- soc.culture.south-america...


 Talvez sea porque en Nicaragua y Cuba todavia los comunistas mandan?

 Yo creo que una vez que eso se acabe, nuestros amigos del sur podran
 volver a monopolizar este foro hablando de cosas como cuanta azucar
 se le debe echar al mate (?) o si el tasajo de Uruguay es mejor que el
 de la Argentina, cuanto guano se recogio' en el Peru' el an~o pasado, etc.
 Y yo me alegraria mucho de eso ya que indicaria que nuestra America 
 latina finalmente, - como diria Martin L. King jr. es "free at last". 

 Estoy bromeando, pero si' me parece que Mark no esta' demostrando mucha
 solidaridad con estos dos paises.
 
 Si, ya se', nosotros los cubanos nos creemos que Cuba es el centro del
 universo.... :-)

 Tengan un buen fin de semana,
--
Ray I. Ravelo                 "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing.  Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                   from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: romeu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jorgeluis Romeu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Cuba Halts Nuclear Plant Construction
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:19:54 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep7.211036.28017@cs.mun.ca> lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez) writes:
>
>The Cuban government has decided to halt construction of the
>multi-million dollar nuclear energy plant it has been building, with 
>Soviet aid, since the 1970s. Although the decision was based 
>entirely on economic realities, environmentalists are looking at 
>this as just one more way in which, ironically, economic scarcity is 
>turning Cuba into a model of ecological development.

much deleted to save space;

add to this that his son fidelito was dismissed (as head of the project) for
  incompetence.  
 (i did'nt know that any castros could be incompetent)

jrb
>
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>
>-- 
>| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
>| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
>| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
>| lazaro@odie.cs.mun.ca           ||  el aire amarillo tiembla! - F.G. Lorca |
From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Cuba Halts Nuclear Plant Construction
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:53:43 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


 What everyone seems to forget is that the parts for the
construction of a nuclear power plant came from the former
Soviet Union and/or its former Eastern European colonies.

 After the collapse of comunism in these countries, none of
them will continue to sell the parts to the banana-dictator Castro.

 It isn't the USA that is responsible for the end of Cuba's
ill-conceived nuclear future (as some in this net would like us to
believe).

-- Jose L. Martinez --
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: dpunjabi@nyx.cs.du.edu (DINESH PUNJABI)
Subject: Need help with a travel agent for Panama ( PLEASE HELP ME )
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:01:29 GMT

I am planning to travel to Panama this christmas. Will someone please send
me phone numbers of RELIABLE travel agents that offer discounts and good
fares to Panama. 

Your EMAIL responses/help will be highly appreciated.

Rgds

Dinesh
--

Dinesh Punjabi 
dpunjabi@nyx.cs.du.edu                Work: (303)-595-2901
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613))
Subject: Re: Nicaragua Series -- comments and replies (3/4 ;"Silence of the Left"?)
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:51:45 GMT

In article <9209120227.AA09312@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>Nicaragua Series -- comments and replies (3/4 ; "Silence of the Left"?)
>
[...]
>
>Recall that the breaking of the rules dictated by the ideology of the
>Washington (parroted by the large corporations in the business of
>selling mass-audiences to client advertiser companies -- i.e., the
>`Free Press' -- and by both of the factions of the one party in
>Washington) causes such hysteria; for example, posting the full human
>rights reports summaries about Cuba, Guatemala, and El Salvador, these
>realities smashing the doctrinal Truth about Cuba being the human
>rights Bad Guys and hence the foundations of the lies given in support
>of Washington's aggression -- that the arenas of rational thought are
>exited and such posting consisting entirely of these human rights
>reports is clearly "being an apologists for Castro['s human rights
>violations]"

Well, now I know why Harel posts so little of his own thoughts
and writings.  Here among the coherent we use things called
sentences to break up paragraphs.

Chomsky would be proud of you Harel.

-- 
Chris Fischer (fischer@serum.clpd.KODAK.com)
They never even listen to my opinion, why would they make it policy?
"The healthy gum tissue of our liberties are being eaten away by the 
 periodontal disease of government regulation." - D.Barry
From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:16:13 GMT
 <SHIRONO.92Sep14181834@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> <17082@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <17082@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu says:
>
>In SHIRONO.92Sep14181834@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>Roberto Shironoshita writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>The question about what to do with Guzman is a thorny one.  Here are the
>>situations I envision:
>>
>>  d. Guzman is convicted and held prisoner in a maximum security prison.
>>     The restrictions necessary to insure he does not communicate with his
>>     group of criminals might be viewed in some circles as violations of
>>     his rights.
>
>Nice comments Roberto.  I'll give you my preference: I would vote for option
>"d".  First, a special prison would be ereceted just for him and a few of  his
>central committee goons, where he would serve a life-in-prison sentence in
>total isolation in a padded cell, and under medical supervision to ensure he
>does not take his life.  [the rest deleted]

 One thing the world should have learned from the middle-east
terrorists is that one does not put a terrorist in jail. If you
do, then his buddies will take hostages to force you to free their
comrade.

 No. Once you capture a terrorist, you execute him, thus reducing
the total number of these animals from the face of the earth.

-- Jose L. Martinez --
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ieegs024@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu (Cesar Amicarella)
Subject: Re: e-mail to venezuela?
Reply-To: ieegs024@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu (Cesar Amicarella)
Organization: MSU
Distribution: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:48:56 GMT

In article <JMILIKOW.92Sep8141840@csa.bu.edu>, jmilikow@csa.bu.edu
(jeremy milikow) writes:
>Does anyone know of a possible e-mail connection in venezuela?
>I have a friend who is living there for a few months and would 
>like to keep in contact throught the internet.
>If anyone can give me any advice please e-mail me.
> 		Thanks
>			Jeremy

Try sending e-mail to the following address and the people there
should be able to help you.

venezuela@athena.mit.edu


Thanks,

Cesar Amicarella
  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua (IV)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:46:39 GMT


Here we see another of the classic 'ends justifies the means' posting.

so tell us all Harel, how does this all work? Every point increase in
literacy (even if achieved by juggeling numbers) is worth how many
political prisoners? How many extrajudicial executions? How many
stories are they allowed to censor?

  Allen

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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:56:38 GMT

ISImplemente para aclarar un par de puntos.

In article <16864@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

> Asi que si el 
> atributo de comunista no le aplica a Santucho, por favor dime lo que es un 
> comunista en esta epoca posmoderna para ver cuanto ha cambiado el mundo.
>

Mi aclaracion de que Santucho no era comunista esta basada en que nunca
pertenecio a ningun partido comunista. Si era marxista-leninista.
 
> 
> Bueno, si tu crees que los Montoneros eran angelitos de la caridad y hay que 
> profundizar mas en la oposicion armada para ver si eran o no eran comunistas de 
> nombre y solo socialistas nacionalistas a lo M-19, te invito a que nos eduques. 

Yo nunca duje que los Montoneros fueran angelitos. Simplemente que no eran 
marxistas-leninistas. Los Montonertos surgieron de un grupo catolico de 
extrema derecha (Al menos Firmenich lo hizo), llamado "Tacuara".





> Es mas, tu querido Santucho fue uno de los grandes heroes 
> de este militarismo de "izquierda".  

NO entiendo a que viene el sarcasmo. Nunca dije mas que santucho no era 
comunista. Como lo convierte eso en "mi querido"???



> 
> !Ay bendito!  Te estas pareciendo a los militares.  El que difiera de Adolfo 
> Pinkas o sus teorias sobre las motivaciones de la junta es enemigo de los 
> reprimidos.  

Aca el sarcasmo esta tambien de mas. Todo lo que te sa~ale fue que tu
explicacion era muy pero muy similar a la que uso la dictadura en su informe
final.


> 
> Edelmiro

No logro entender porque queres retorcer las cosas. Nunca defendi a los 
Montoneros ni a los "Santuchistas". Simplemente se~ale errores en tus
afirmaciones.

AAp

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: EMail to U of Puerto Rico?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:13:28 GMT

Is there a way to send email between a site in the US and the University of 
Puerto Rico? I have a friend who is a student there and would like to keep
in touch.  My thanks to anyone who can help.

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

Free Advice: It is inadvisable to read Bush's lips at an official banquet.
From: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Hay solo dos paises en America Latina?
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:12:43 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Dice Lazaro Nun~ez:

>   Yo creo que la raiz del problema surgio cuando, con el triunfo de la
>revolucion, los primeros en exiliarse fueron principalmente Batista con su
>pandilla de esbirros. Mientras tanto la gran mayoria de la poblacion
>cubana apoyaba, y esperaba, una revolucion democratica; y se contaba con
>el apoyo y la solidaridad de los pueblos latinoamericanos y el resto del
>mundo. Como era de esperarse, y con toda razon, la opinion internacional
>rechazo a estos primeros exiliados. Pero del 59 al 92 han pasado muchos
>an~os. 

Si, y como dijiste en un articulo previo tan pronto como Fidel se declaro 
marxista leninista llegaron los mismos que habian perteneido al movimiento 
revulucionario y ahora habian caido en desgracia porque no querian ser 
comunistas.  Lo mismo paso en Nicaragua con la tendencia socialdemocrata del 
FSLN y con personas como el Comandante Zero, Eden Pastora, el gran heroe 
revulucionario que tuvo que exiliarse tan pronto como los Sandinsitas lo 
acusaron de traicion solo porque el no queria ser comunista.

>Los nuevos exiliados son personas como cualquier otra en este
>mundo, que huyen de una dictadura que aun quiere mantener su fachada
>humanitaria. Y es esa dictadura la que se encarga de desacreditar a todo
>aquel que no quiere seguir viviendo en opresion y abandona la isla. En
>su campan~a nos comparan con la gente de Batista y otros grupos que
>operan en Miami; y, claro esta, nos dan todo tipo de epitetos como
>`gusanos', `escoria', `antisociales' y demas. Pero lo que la dictadura
>no quiere tener en cuenta es que muchos de esos `gusanos', antes de
>abandonar el pais, eran los medicos, estudiantes destacados, obreros,
>en fin, lo que ellos llaman `los abanderados del comunismo', que debian
>esconder sus propios sentimientos por temor a represalias. Pero el
>estereotipo ya esta creado, y como dice Miguel, no sera la ultima vez
>que lo utilicen, sea intencionalmente o por costumbre.

Si, les encanta verlos a ustedes como un todo unico porque sirve a sus 
propositos de ver el conflicto en Cuba como  una lucha entre el bien y el mal 
donde, o estas con el gobeierno o eres agente de la CIA.  Este maniqueismo 
siempre ha funcionado a la perfeccion bajo dictaduras estalinistas y hasta bajo 
el mismo nazismo cuando los "gusanos" eran los judios y la "escoria" eran los 
catolicos.  Como buenos nazis se han dado a la tarea de ponerle la cruz de 
David a todo el que no visite su Comite de Defensa de la Revolucion por lo 
menos una vez por semana.  Es mas, LO UNICO QUE HA PREVENIDO QUE FIDEL MANDE A 
LA "ESCORIA" A LOS CREMATORIOS ES LA AMENAZA DEL PODERIO MILITAR 
NORTEAMERICANO, DE LO CONTRARIO LE HUBIERA SEGUIDOS LOS PASOS A STALIN Y LA 
ISLA DE PINOS SERIA MUCHO MAS QUE UN GULAG.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Camarada Gonzalo (Peru)
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:28:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Roberto Shironoshita writes:

>In article <17045@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007834@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>> Associated press has just reported that the terrorist of al terrorist in
>> Peru, Abimail Guzman, leader of the genocidic Communist Party of Peru was
>> arrested in his middle class home, where he  was hiding from authorities.
>> News reports also indicate that the leaders of the Cuban sponsored MRTA
>> guerillas were also captured.  Any other  news surrounding these
>> delightful events?

>Just a couple of nitpicks:

>a. The name is Abimael, with an 'e'.

Whoops!  I must have gotten accustomed to the manner in which Peruvians break 
the hiatus and use a glide instead of an 'e'. 

>b. The said person is the leader of a terrorist organization that labels
>   itself "Partido Comunista del Peru -- Sendero Luminoso" (Communist Party
>   of Peru -- Shining Path).  That does not mean this group of people is a
>   political organization, nor does it mean they have current ties with the
>   Partido Comunista del Peru (Communist Party of Peru).

Sorry, but it seems that it is a very organized politco-military organization 
and, as we have been hearing in the Times, Gonzalo himself is a superb 
organizer who has ensured that other may continue the struggle in the event he 
is captured.

As to the communist party buisiness, that's what they call themselves and 
that's what we should call them even it there is another Communist Party which 
happens to be a cuban controlled stalinist party, and unlike Sendero, does not 
follow chairman Mao's ideas.  After all they are "marxists leninists" whith a 
few extensions which you can't find in other communist parties.  Furthermore, 
the very same words "Sendero Luminoso" come from none other that the late 19th 
century peruvian marxist and founder of the Peruvian Communist Party, J.C. 
Mariategui, who said tha marxism would serve the native population of Peru like 
a "shinning path".  So let's continue calling them what they want to be called: 
"Partido Communista del Peru" and leave their maiden names for others to figure 
out.

Edelmiro Salas
easalas@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america