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From: belk@dxcern.cern.ch (Andy Belk)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flying with bicycle
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:46:10 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

Hiya,
      I flew around the States this Chrsitmas / New Year with a mountain
bike - using a Delta 30 day standby pass (neat if you can get one - you 
need a transatlantic ticket starting in Europe).
International flights were (are ?) no problem - the bike, provided it's 
in a box or similar, is treated as luggage. But, and it's a big but,
the airline will charge for internal flights (it was $30, may be more now).
Their argument is basically that it exceeds the $/kg insurance limit and
so counts as "special baggage". I spent a LONG TIME arguing that it fitted
the luggage size limits and if I didn't want it insured that was my problem ..
. but they were fairly insistent. However, I persisted and in the end, in
about 10 or 12 flights, I only paid once. I had asked in Geneva about 
transporting the bike and was misinformed, which meant when the Delta 
people at LaGuardia told me this, I was pretty furious ...

Might I suggest to all you regular cyclists out there, that we write a
letter of complaint concerning this issue ... ?

Cheers,
                 Andy

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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Two-letter codes
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:05:38 GMT

To my surprise (and disgust) Canada Post tells me they do have two
letter codes for each province.  the code for PEI - I'll still use
that in MY mail - however is PE, not PI.

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)          ()
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Ottawa, Ontario                         |  |
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From: brewer@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: cheap NY-Florida fares wanted
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:38:24 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology



I will be going via the USA to Europe in October, and its seems
that most cheap flights from Australia -- USA -- London have
2 stop overs each way in the USA 	(Continental Airlines) but
they won't go via Florida.

A travel agent said the cheap way to go would be to buy a
domestic ticket from New York to Miami return.  I was told this
would cost around $US300 in October. This seems a bit high to me
from what I have heard about fares in the US.

Could someone enlighten me as to what I might expect to pay,
if I have been told the truth and if there are any cheaper fares.

Also what is the difference between Continental and United Airlines
besides price eg: service, comfort, food etc.
I have a choice between the two, United is $100 more.	is it
worth the extra $$$.  Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Peter

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Peter Brewer
Queensland University of Technology
Brisbane, Australia
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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Domestic Airfare price decreases?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:16:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.171109.13897@cs.ucla.edu> tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) writes:
>I was just told by a friend that he saw a story on the news last night
>that several airlines were reducing their domestic fares by up to 40%.
>Unfortunately that was all he could tell me....he doesn't know which
>airlines, routes, when it's going to occur,  etc....  Does anyone have 
>any more info?

Initiated, as I read, by America West.  I am not sure if the rates were
lowered by 40% though.  WSJ said this week that this is pretty much it for
summer discounts on airfare domestically.  Anyway NW and a few other will
make AW's fares in the markets AW flies to.  Not much, in my opinion, to be
happy about.

--Ken
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From: davids@c3.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:56:18 GMT

In article <HROSE.92Apr16120837@rocza.eff.org>, hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
|> 
|>  Alan> == alan.j.lapenn  <yy@cbnews.cb.att.com> 
|> 
|>  Alan> In article <92106.145510ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Asher Samuels) writes:
|> 
|> > My idea is that, whenever there's a crying kid, one free alcoholic
|> > drink should be served to everyone in earshot.  I know that onTower,
|> > with all the kids, etc.  the only way I survive is to brin along a
|> > flask of Jack Daniels.
|> 
|>  Alan> Kids cry, being a parent it's our worst nightmare. There is
|>  Alan> nothing you can do about it. If it makes you feel any better we
|>  Alan> have all annoyed someone by crying sometime in our life ( I do it
|>  Alan> constantly at work :-) :-) :-) , it works great )
|> 
|> I was on a flight from Boston to Seattle with a stop in Detroit. It was
|> on Northwest Airlines on a 757. From the Boston to Detroit leg (very
|> busy, since DTW is a big NW hub) all the kids and their parents were in
|> the back cabin of the 757. I don't think there was a single child under
|> 12 in the forward cabin. It was *heaven*. :-)
|> 
|> I wish this was done more often.
|> 
|> --Helen
|> --
|> Helen Trillian Rose             	email eff@eff.org for EFF info
|> Electronic Frontier Foundation   	irc operators: operlist@eff.org
|> Systems and Networks Administration	Flames to: 
|> <hrose@eff.org, hrose@cs.bu.edu>	women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org

There is an old adage about flying:

	There are two ways to fly: First Class, and with children.
-- 


David G. Simmons
davids@lanl.gov

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*      	      that money can't make me happy		   *
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"Any resemblance to real opinions is purely coincidental"
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Is It Legal ??
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:38:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: iecc.9204171538.AA06755
Organization: I.E.C.C.

>Does the airline really check the passport along with the ticket?

Yes.  In my recent experience they've always compared the passport to
the ticket at the checking counter.

When I was flying from Amsterdam to Madrid a few weeks ago, they
looked at my passport as they collected the ticket at the door to the
plane.  They don't always do that, but it's not uncommon.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
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From: ganesh@b3331.b15.ingr.com (Ganesh Rangarajan)
Subject: Continental Discount Coupon
Reply-To: ganesh@b3331.b15.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:14:20 GMT


I have a Discount Coupon for Continental Airlines which is valid for
up to two roundtrip tickets.  The coupon is for $25.00 off all fares
between $150 - $250 and $50.00 off all fares over $251.00 (round-trip
purchases only).

Blackout dates for travel are as follows:
      Apr 16-20, May 22
Tickets need to be bought at least 7 days in advance and requires a 
Saturday night stay.
The coupon expires on June 30th, 1992.
Reservations are handled by Continental airlines or any travel agency.

Please send email if interested.
--Ganesh
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Airport Codes
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 13:57:58 GMT

In <1992Apr12.095443.28081@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

>are welcome as well.  (For now, I've filled in the empty fields [latitude
>and the like] with zeroes [an `X' in the last one], but I'd like to add the
>correct data.  Please send them if you have them or point me to a book that
>does.)

I would have put more in but the source was not at home and it snowed
20 cm in Ottawa yesterday morning, so I didn't try to track it down.

>Two problems I noticed while typing the corrections:

>1) The entry for YLJ is duplicated.  Delete one?

Looks to me like they are identical (someone will have to tell you
just where Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan is.  It doesn't appera to have
commercial air service (my source for teh codes).

>2) Minnesota and Manitoba are abbreviated the same way, as `MN'!  In new
>   entries, I'm using `MB' for Manitoba; one of these days, I'll get around
>   to correcting the old ones, probably by checking latitude and longitude.
>   (I'll have to check on the standard postal abbreviation for Manitoba.)

This is going to be a problem as Canada Post has never designated
two-letter codes for the provinces.  My guess two-letter codes for
Canadian provinces will never happen.  Which two letters from Prince
Edward Island, known to all Canadians as PEI, would you use? What do
you do about Quebec (unless you want to use PQ, which now has politcal
implications).  Manitoba is usually Man.


Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)          ()
Centre for the Study of Adult Literacy  |\/|
Carleton University                     o  o
Ottawa, Ontario                         |  |
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From: yeung@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Augustus W Yeung)
Subject: Austin --> Indys 
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 16:45:04 GMT

Anyone knows if there is a direct non-stop service from Austin to
Indy, Indiana? How much is it? Anyone knows howmuch is a round
trip ticket?

thanks
gus
From: jwlin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan W. Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Short flights
Date: 15 Apr 1992 10:19:34 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

Well, I think I'll call up the reservation agents at United and Alaska to 
ask them if they have and OAK to SFO flight when I want to feel like an
insane person. (Umm, tomorrow's good... Actually, I'm taking a flight out of
SFO on Thursday, so I'll go ask in person in order to get the pleasure of 
having people looking at me funny.)

I think airlines, though, are cutting off some of their shorter flights.
The SNA-LAX route was supposedly cancelled by United Airlines a month ago
or so. I forgot the reasons they gave, but I recall the article and calling
a reservationist to ask about the route since I wanted to also try LAX->SNA
to increase my frequent flier miles.

Hmm... Checking my old flight guide, there are a bunch of airlines that fly
from LAX->SNA. I'll also check the costs for these fun twenty minute flights
later.... Must be a pain. Ten minutes spent taxing around the runway, three
minutes to run through the safety instructions, liftout, *tick*, *tick*, 
(a minute passes), land, and taxi for another ten minutes (with there 
being so many planes jamming up the terminals.)

-----
jwlin@ocf.berkeley.edu     "Geez, I need to make a .sig file instead of 
                            always making one up as I go..."

-- 
Jonathan Lin
jwlin@ocf.berkeley.edu
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From: welch@nervous.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Subject: Re: Chicago to London/Paris to Chicago 
Originator: welch@nervous.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: OSU-LAIR
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.143540.5125@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gmcguffi@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Graeme/Guff) writes:

   My wife and I are thinking about going to Europe for a couple of
   weeks in July and August.
   Does anyone have any suggestions on the cheapest way(s) to do
   this?

During tourist season there are a number of "charter" airlines which
operate between NYC and Europe, probably other starting points too.
It's pretty much no-frills, you're not allowed to cancel your ticket,
and they tend to have very limited schedules, but dirt cheap, and you
get your tickets through a travel agent. I did this about 5-6 years
ago, when I had to fly on relatively short notice, and the round-trip
price was half that of the regular airlines. Flew in a B707, too which
certainly was nostalgic :-).

...arun
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Lisp Systems Programmer, Lab for AI Research, Ohio State University
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From: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Subject: Re: Boston <--> Seattle
Reply-To: pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:19:08 GMT

In article <HROSE.92Apr7185922@rocza.eff.org>, hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
|> Has anyone else been on this particular flight, or any other Northwest
|> "longhaul" routes on narrowbody aircraft?

No. Yes.

|> Do they show a movie?

Yes.  You have to pay $4 to hear the sound, though.

|> Do they
|> have those nifty overhead monitors?

Yes.
|> Do they serve
|> more than one meal? 

Depends on the time of time.  In general, I wouldn't count one more
than 1 MEAL.  You may get a meal and a snack.

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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post (common complaints)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:33:44 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois

In article <1992Apr14.200832.7127@odin.corp.sgi.com> autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry) writes:
>4.) Person knowingly sits in a seat not theirs in hopes that you'll swap.
>    ( ... and it wasn't open seating, honest.)

Thats why I love being a NW Preferred member...I get to board first (and
I have heard people mumble about why I, a healthy male, boards with the
parents with child and those needing extra assistance).  I do use that
privilege because I dont want to be in that swap situation.

BUT even with my privilege of boarding first, I did have one wierd experience.
I was the first person to board the plane, and there was only ONE passenger
already on board (I guess from the first part of the flight)...and lo and
behold, he was in my seat.

--Ken
From: tuc@cs.wisc.edu (Brian A. Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Good deals US -> Hong Kong round trip?
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:09:52 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

Howdy,

  Do any of you out there know of any good deals from the
US (east coast or midwest) to Hong Kong (and back again).
I'm planning to leave sometime around June 18th and come
back July 8th-ish.

  I'm about to go with the best thing I've found so far, but
it seems like there should be some better deals out there.

thanks,
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 19:18:42 EDT
From: S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Pakistani Airlines

Has anyone ever done business with Pakistani Airlines before?  What
were your experiences?  I want to go to and from France, and the best
rates I have seen were with these people.

One thing I'm a little cautious about is that my name sounds Jewish
(Wukovitz) and I look sort of eastern European--though my family is
actually Catholic and I'm not anything :-)  My parents are worried
about me travelling on Pakistani airlines with my name the way it is,
perhaps they have a point, though I don't really know.  This leaves
me with two options:

1.  Do nothing and don't worry about it

2.  Purposely misspell my name, e.g. Wucovis, Wukovits (the original
    version), Vukovic...

    Does anyone know if they check your airline ticket with your
    passport to see that the names are the same?  In other words,
    could I get away with a misspelling without getting booted
    from the flight/getting in trouble when we depart/arrive,
    etc.?  I have never ever been out of the US before...

Any help you could provide would be most welcome.  I have called several
courier services, and their prices were not as low as I'd been led to
believe (399 RT Paris for courier, 410 RT Paris for Pakistani).  I only
know the numbers for the two couriers listed in Let's Go Europe (I can't
recall the names offhand).  Therefore, if you know of more courier services,
please also send me mail!  Thank-you!

-Stephanie Wukovitz er... Vukovic or was that Wukov or hm... Wukkie or...
From: borden@m5.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: couriers
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:37:15 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

I've heard that one can get a reduced airfare by being a courier.  Does
anyone know where one goes to arrange this for oneself?

Thanks.

    - Dave Borden
      borden@m5.harvard.edu
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From: abottone@cass.ma02.bull.com (Alessandro Bottonelli)
Subject: Re: AAdvantage court case
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.
Distribution: rec.travel.air
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:38:09 GMT

moersch@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeff Moersch) writes:

>A couple weeks ago I heard a news report on the radio that said a guy
>in (I think) Wisconsin was sueing American Airlines for changing the 
>rules for their frequent flyer program after he signed up.  I would
>guess that the change involved is the switch American made from 
>non-expiring mileage accounts to a three year rolling expiration.  Does
>anybody know if that was the cause of the suit, and if so what the status
>of the case is?  I have several thousand miles with American that will 
>expire at the end of this year if I don't use them, but if it looks like
>they might be forced by this court case into returning to the non-expiring
>system, I'd rather save the miles for the future.

Well, this is an interesting case for me too, anyone having info please post ...

If I recall correctly, most airlines were sort of forced to switch to an
expiribg system, because of a change in fiscal regulations that would 
account accumulated mileage  as a "liability" (looks bad in
balance sheets ). Most business people with a lot of mileage are the
less likely to use them (don't have time to go on vacation or hate
planes since they fly all the year round ...). Therefore, if this is
correct, I would be surprised that a court would rule against AA.

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From: leduc@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Robert Leduc)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Lufthansa offer of free RT ticket?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:01:06 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

porten@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey  Porten) writes:

>A friend told me that he saw an offer of a free RT on Lufthansa with the
>purchase of an economy or business ticket in a full-page ad in the NYT.
>Subsequent searching shows no evidence of this ever existing.  Anyone have
>more info?

>Thanks in advance.
>--
>Jeff Porten, Annenberg School for Communication, UPenn
>             Graduate Group in American Civilization, UPenn

>As per usual, my opinions are my own, not Penn's, Pugwash's, or anyone else's.

I heard an advertisement for this offer on the radio here in Madison.  The
"free" ticket is good only between September and February (probably excluding
Christmas, but I'm not sure) but the payed ticket must complete travel by
the middle of this June.  If you feel like travelling to Europe twice and have
a very flexible work schedule, this is a deal.  If you were hoping to get a 
cheap ticket for your S.O., well, at least you can send each other postcards.

RL
 
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From: kms@philabs.philips.com (Kathy Strand)
Subject: Traveling to LV
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:56:12 GMT

I will be traveling to Las Vegas next week, and the people I am going with
tell me they would rather not check on any luggage just bring carry on.
I plan on bringing a duffle bag and another small carry on which I thought
would be ok, but someone told me you can only bring one carry on.  ANyone
know whether this is true or not, whenever I traveled before I always
checked most of my luggage and kept one bag to carry on.

kathy

      
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Short flights
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:49:36 GMT

I'll try for the most remote short flight:

Fort Albany, Ontario, to Kaschechewan, Ontario, one segment of Candian
Frontier's Timmins-Moosonee-Fort Albany-Kaschechewan-Attawapiskat
service.  The time is ten minutes (and there is no holding pattern).
The two airports lie on opposite sides of the Albany River where it
flows into James Bay.  Canadian Frontier is a regional carrier
associated with Canadian International (and, if today's news stories
are true, soon to be associated with American).

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)          ()
Centre for the Study of Adult Literacy  |\/|
Carleton University                     o  o
Ottawa, Ontario                         |  |
K1S 5B6                                  \/
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Polar flights
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:23:28 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

In article <46240@dime.cs.umass.edu> pedregal@cs.umass.edu writes:
>In article <jon.702677318@lindy.Stanford.EDU>, jon@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>|> 
>|>    The thread about longest air flights reminds me of another air travel
>|> question that I've never found an answer to:  Are there any regularly
>|> scheduled commercial airline flights that fly directly over the North
>|> Pole?  Or the South Pole?  If not, which ones come closest?
>|> --
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Jon Corelis               jon@lindy.stanford.edu
>|> Stanford University       BITNET:  BA.JYC@RLG.STANFORD.EDU 
>
>	Aerolineas Argentinas flies Buenos Aires (Argentina) 
>	to Auckland (New Zealand) over Antarctica (and close
>	to the South Pole I imagine).  They also fly to some
>	city in Australia (or used to at some point).
>
>-- 
>                   Cristobal Pedregal Martin
>COINS Dept. - UMass -  Amherst, MA 01003   --  pedregal@cs.umass.edu

Finnair used to fly until previous year over the Ice Sea from Helsinki
to Tokio. Not quite over the north pole. Today they fly over Sibiria
from Helsinki to Tokio. I was two months ago with such a flight.
What we were able to see was snow, snow and snow 9 hours.
jarmo ryyti
suomi
From: v086jsef@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JAKE)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Trip to London
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Can anyone offer some help for me?  I have seen the flyers around campus
here in Buffalo whihc advertise cheap student flights.  I want to go to 
London the first or second week in August '92 and resturn the last week
of the same month.  Any ideas on how a poor college student can make it
affordable?
			Thanks in advance, Jason
				v086jsef@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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