HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Revive the Lokheed 1649 Starliner?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:08:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul24.012242.8528@news.eng.convex.com>

I travelled from Rio to Sao Paolo 5 years ago. Three airlines run
a joint shuttle on Lockheet Electras. The flight was very pleasant,
the crew were friendly, and free drinks were served. The plane
also had lots of elbow and leg room. 

For short flights the bulk of time is consumed by take off and landing.
Prop. planes would be cost effective and just as fast.

Hassan
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: 094370@adpdp2.lanl.gov (Dan Comstock)
Subject: Re: FEAR & BOEING 767
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:51:00 GMT

In article <92204.175127ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>, ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET (Bliss B. Siman) writes...
>Can anyone help me. I am a fearful flyer and just discovered I am flying to
>Barcelona on Friday on a 767 which has only two engines. I didn't realize it is
>smaller than the 747 either. Isn't it unsafe to fly only two engines across the
>Atlantic. I thought these had been banned. Any help would be appreciated.


Your chance of even getting a scratch on this flight is about sixty sextillion
to one.  Your chance of getting your pocket picked or purse stolen in Barcelona
is about one in one.  *That* is what you should be worrying about.

Dan

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:13:05 GMT

In article <17145@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.200950.10447@alw.nih.gov> pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) writes:
>>Well, thus far this thread didn't bring as much flames as expected. So some
>>people think it's a time to say something more harsh.
>>
>>E.g., in article <1992Jul20.235321.27814@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>>
>>>children who aren't old enough to behave in public places shouldn't
>>>travel.  
>>>
>>Would you be so kind to define it? What does it really mean - to behave
>>properly?
>
>
>No crying, screaming, shouting, running up and down the aisles or
>"visiting" people who don't want to be visited. Playing peek-a-boo
>with a perky toddler in the seat in front of me is fun. Listening
>to a kid scream its lungs out because the waitre....er..stewardess
>does not have Hershey kisses or some other special treat is enough
>to make me look for Valium or a parachute.

Agreed... you seem to be just a *normal* person (using kinda common-sence
approach). I *beleive* that many authors of some earlier articles weren't
so *patient* :(
>
>>Once a couple sitting next to us made a hell of noise. They demanded my
>>kids to sit in their chairs without any motion. "You parents better wrap
>>your boys with a good rope for all 13 hours of the flight" 
>
>Did they really say that? That's pretty rude.

Not really, I was just feeling so. Anyway, they preferred to ask the
stewardess, not me. And to complain to each other :) ... in a style quite
similar to that of something posted in this thread

Since we were ready to change our places ( and not to see/hear them anymore),
and since there weren't many unoccupied seats around, the crew offered us
to go to a better class cabin after intermediate landing in SNN. :) and so we
did.



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From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: Looking for an AT&T customer who wants to pickup some AIR MILES
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.034741.7796@cc.gatech.edu> pas@cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:
>Not so easy.  Yes, SFO-OAK is 11 miles one-way, so 25 miles would be enough
>for a roundtrip with 3 miles to spare.  But no cigar here.  With AIR MILES you
>have to redeem a minimum of 500 miles for a roundtrip.

How many miles do you get per dollar paid to AT&T with this program?  I cannot
imagine that they are doing 5 miles per $1, or even 1 mile per $1.  Anybody
know?  Previous postings stated that the Air Miles operators dont have
a clue about the program specifics.

--Ken
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Revive the Lokheed 1649 Starliner?
Date: 26 Jul 92 06:05:01 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


Not me.  I don't fly much, but my annual vacation includes a 3-1/2
hour leg from San Jose to Dallas, and I don't want to spend more than
7 hours in the air doing it.  Even if the ticket were a lot cheaper.
Nor do I want to fly around or through the weather enroute rather
than over the top of it.  The trip also includes a 1-hour leg in a
little turboprop.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:34:58 GMT

pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) writes:

>In other words, he did meant that _international_ flights of Aerflot lack
>classes. It might be right for domestic flights, I dunno.

Sorry for causing such confusion! I was indeed wrong to include the
"one class only" comment in the "international" section of my post. It
belonged in "domestic" section.

We all make mistakes...

Kevin

--
Kevin Kells <kells@iis.ethz.ch>         telephone: +41-1-256-5746
Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH-Zentrum, CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:3613 rec.travel:10823 misc.forsale:22266
From: guerra@tsc.cs.unc.edu (Carlos Guerra)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel,misc.forsale
Subject: oneway ticket for sale
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:02:56 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Oneway ticket for sale on Delta:

  from: RDU (North Carolina)
  to: Indianapolis (IN)
  departure date: August 4th at 9:45 am
  asking $50


e-mail: guerra@cs.unc.edu
Phone # until July 31st: (919)932-1779
Phone # starting August 1st: (919)914-6851
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Taxy fares from JFK to Manhattan
Keywords: taxy, bus, rail, tube
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:43:36 GMT
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY

In article <1992Jul24.221732.16959@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> @ee.surrey.ac.uk (null) writes:
> My lady girlfriend and I will fly to New York (JFK) next October.
> We would like to know the available means of transport to Manhattan 
> from JFK Airport and respective costs.

Can the people who write the FAQ lists produce one for transportation
around major airports?  This question has come up several times already.

JFK to Manhattan: Best deal is the Cary bus.  The Cary Transportation
Company runs busses from both airports (JFK and LGA) to each other and
Manhattan.  You can find the Cary bus at the busstop in front of each
terminal at both airports.  The Manhattan bus (the last I looked) was
$10.50 between the airport and Grand Central Terminal or The Port
Authority Bus Terminal.  They charge $12.50 to certain hotels (I know
the NY Hilton on 6th Ave is one of those hotels).

Taxis: A taxi ride can cost around $25 (including tolls) between JFK and
midtwon Manhattan.

Sometimes, you can find a number of gypsy cabs and limos cruising the
airport that will pack up a car for $15 per person for a trip into
Manhattan.  I usually stay away from these people.

If you are real adventurous, take the bus marked for Long Term parking
to the Howard Beach subway station.  Take the subway (A or C) into
Manhattan.  The subway is $1.25 per person.  Some of the "best"
entertainment for a buck-and-a-quarter!  :-)

Have fun!
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: TWA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:33:59 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <22JUL199210520053@ucis.vill.edu> 185422285@ucis.vill.edu writes:
> A question for anybody following the saga of airlines. What condition
> is TWA in, and will they be flying in Aug. I have a trip which I
> will be using my father's ff miles. Also, for a trip from Philadelphia
> to Paris thru New York on the NY-Paris stretch what plane will
> most likely be used.

TWA flies a 747 on the NY-Paris run.  The seating is 3-4-3 in coach.  It's
probably too late to change, but could you have used the miles for a ticket
on a different international airline instead?

Meanwhile, I am flying TWA JFK-ATL next month as well, so I hope they stick
around, too.

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
From: davida@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: Consolidator tix on AA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:53:52 GMT



I don't know if anyone noticed the little insert in AA's FF magazine
that said that as of November, unpublished fares will no longer be
able to get FF miles!

Do other airlines have this policy?

(and yes, I "three" pay the $50 to accumulate miles.....if it's chargeable
  it's charged!)

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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: WANTED: CHICAGO ===> DENVER for mid-August
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:12:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.221826.28951@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> pike@spot.Colorado.EDU (PIKE GREGORY F) writes:
>I need an airline ticket from Chicago to Denver sometime in mid-August.
>Please respond via e-mail to stoltz@spot.colorado.edu.

Why  not call a  travel  agent, or look  in the travel section of your
local paper?  Why the constant flood of these kinds of 'wanted' posts.
The 'one way ticket available' ones are bad enough, but at least I can
understand them.  Someone is trying to unload  something.  But why the
'wanted' posts? Are there *that* many clueless people out there?

			Spare us,
					reb

ps: Yea, sure someone may happen to have an extra... so do I ... right
    here in my back pocket...
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Two roundtrip airline tickets forsale
Keywords: Newark -> San Francisco -> Newark
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:27:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.155755.26526@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.123551.23338@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rravi@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ramesh.ravi) writes:
>>I have two roundtrip tickets from Newark to San Francisco that I want to sell
>>since I won't be able to use it because of the change of my vacation plans.  
>>Each roundtrip ticket is 200 dollars.
>Hold on.  Isn't it true that the dates of these tickets can be changed
>*only* if the airline has seats available in the same fare class on
>the dates you want to change to?  If so, saying (like so many of these
>postings do) "dates can be changed" is misleading, if not deceptive.
>And the real value of the tickets is considerably less than face value.

Fortunately for the original purchaser, he can get all but  $25 of the
fare he paid credited to a future ticket on the same airline.  So, for him
the ticket is still worth about face value.

reb
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: Results: Poll of Best International Air Carrier
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:04:04 GMT


In article <1992Jul21.023801.5503@polari> pacific@polari.online.com writes:
>     The results of the poll concerning the best international air
>carrier are in and here are the findings:
>
>
>                        Singapore Airlines       3
>                        British Airways          2
>                        Thai                     2
>                        Lan Chile                1
>                        Lufthansa                1
>                        KLM                      1
>                        Quantas                  1
>
>	thanks to all 3
>               
>
>      ** I would definitely include Air New Zealand on the above
>         list as the best airline in terms of ride, service, food,
          entertainment, and on-time arrivals/departures (after 
          having flown on them many different times).  Although I
          do agree that Singapore Airlines would run a very close
          second place.  (Sorry I missed the original posting for
          this poll otherwise I would have cast my vote previously!)
          ** Kris **
--
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Southwest in Columbus?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:26:56 GMT

In <23JUL199208061744@adpdp2.lanl.gov> 094370@adpdp2.lanl.gov (Dan Comstock) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.004009.12709@cis.ohio-state.edu>, romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill) writes...
>Sorry, still no food.  Southwest has no nonstops from CMH to LAX.  I am
>assuming you will have several stops.  On each one of these short flights
>you'll be lucky if they give you more than one bag of peanuts.
[...]
>Just pray that Southwest doesn't monopolize service at CMH the way it has at
>ABQ.  Southwest is a nice change when you have a choice.  When it becomes the
>only choice (WN has the only nonstop service to the west coast from ABQ) it's
>not so pleasant anymore.

On a similar note, does anyone know if Southwest has decided to make Columbus
a hub, or if that decision is still pending?  I had heard that both they and
America West were interested last year, and I do know that America West is
now billing them (rather heavily, it seems) as a hub.

The titans of Columbus government delayed adding gates long enough that they
missed out on the first round of hub-allocation.  I know they are adding gates
fo America West; I hope they are farsighted enough to recruit Southwest
as well (better two second-stringers than no first-stringers...).

Rob
--
Rob Knauerhase           University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
knauer@knauer.intel.com  Intel Multimedia Software Technology Group (summer)
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu       Dept. of Computer Science, Gigabit Study Group
"There's no place like $FC58!"
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Badmouthing the Airbus
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:22:26 GMT

On Monday, 27 Jul 1992 13:44:24 CET, <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET> said:
> Before badmouthing the Airbus 320 - or any other airplane - I'd suggest
> netters obtain copies of the investigation panels report into crashes.
> There is no 'component that enables the Airbus to fly into trees at the
> end of the runway' or permits an incorrect rate of descent to be entered.
> Just badly trained aircrew.

While I personally do not have an aversion to flying on the Airbus 320,
I don't think it is accurate to reduce the Airbus' problems to "badly
trained aircrew."  From what I have seen of the crash reports and
ensuing discussion, there are some real user interface problems with
the A320.

A plane can be mechanically sound but still be difficult to fly safely,
in which case the user interface shouldn't have been designed the way
it was designed.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: For Sale:  One Way ITHACA(NY) => PHILLY => SFO  $140 (OBO)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:44:19 GMT


One way ticket.  I bought it during the fare
wars early June.  Departure date is Mon Aug 17, but can be 
changed for a fee of $25.  

Send me email at usman@leland.stanford.edu
or Call
607 277 2563 (Ithaca, NY)

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From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Little Planes
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<64506@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:34:44 GMT

I wrote:
>> The smaller the aircraft, the more prone it is to
>>turbulence.  It doesn't take much turbulence to get an 8 passenger
>>plane a-rockin'.  (Anyone who has ever ridden in a 2 or 4 seater cessna
>>or pipercub can tell you that most days it is constant turbulence).
>>The propellers are very loud--earplugs are a good idea!

On 28 Jul 92 15:16:03 GMT, gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) said:
> Don't know where this fellow got his info, but with improvements in
> soundproofing technology and the advent of the turbofan engine (and
> its increased noise), a turboprop aircraft is not appreciably noisier
> than a modern jet...
> Turbulence will be more of a factor, but the previous poster is out
> of line in saying turbulence is constant.... for one thing, commuter-class
> aircraft don't fly high enough to encounter the jet stream, where 
> turbulence can be *worse* than at the lower altitudes.  

Based on personal experience I can assure you that what I wrote is 
correct.  Last week, I flew on a 15 passenger Northwest Airlink flight,
and in the last five years, I've flown most of the other express carriers
(United Express, USAir Express, etc.) as well as several privately owned 
cessnas and piper cubs.  All of these planes are much louder than a
DC9, which is the noisiest jet aircraft that is still widely used.

In a 4 seater cessna, on a hot, clear, sunny day, turbulence is pretty
much constant.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Info needed IMMEDIATLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:48:39 GMT

In article <4eQ1PR200iUyQ2O0Z1@andrew.cmu.edu> Karin Berger <kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Please help!
>
>Does anybody know if there is a possibility to use the return flight of
>a round trip ticket when the first flight is unused.
>
>(I want to fly SF to Pittsburgh also I did not fly Pittsburgh SF)
>Any ideas on that would be greatly appreciated and I need to know this
>RIGHT NOW.

Well, you could always *lie* ... pull the coupon for the first part of
the flight that you didn't take, and when you  go to check in and they
give you a hard  time  because  your  reservation has  been cancelled,
insist that there  is something wrong  with their reservation  system.
Sure, the reservations cancel if  you fail to  use the  first part  of
their ticket.  Obviously, they must   have somehow lost the fact  that
you used the first half of the ticket!

If you've got an advanced boarding pass, it's even easier.   Just give
them the ticket at the jetway and get on the airplane.  You don't have
to  wait  in  *any* lines with  advanced  boarding  passes.  If you're
checking luggage and doing this, give  the luggage it to the skycap...
As long as the plane is not oversold you should have no problem.

				reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wb@rigel.uucp (Bill Beblo)
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Reply-To: wb@rigel.UUCP (Bill Beblo)
Organization: Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:00:59 GMT


I've just received the latest issue of the Conde Nast Traveler magazine
which has an article concerning the author's experience in flying
Aeroflot.  It explains what happened to Aeroflot as a result of the recent
dissolution of the Soviet Union.  It also describes flights in which
flight attendants had to step over dogs in aisles, passengers disregarding
"no smoking" sections, and passengers standing during take-off!

It also contains some incredibly high statistics on death and injury
aboard Aeroflot flights.

Good Luck!!!

Bill Beblo
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From: cheeky@athena.mit.edu (Cheekiang Lim)
Subject: South West Phone number
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:17:59 GMT

Sorry about the mis-information on my part. My travel agent told me that they are
going bankrupt and I actually believed them ! It's one of those agents who
probably does not gain any commission from SW.

So could someone tell me Southwest 800 number and I'll call them myself ?

cheeky@athena.mit.edu
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Aero Flot Travel
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:22:26 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) wrote: 
->henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
->>kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells) wrote: 
->>->2. Seating was first-come, first-served even though I had a seat assignment.
->>->There was only one "class" on all the flights (relic of the communist era?). 
->>
->>the brochures
->>claimed that a first class (which had some gimmick name--bourgeois
->>class :>) was available out of new york.
->
->I'd expect the above duscussion to go to rec.humour.polit or whatever else.

absolutely.  that's what the ;> means.

->If you're posting a guess instead of information, please point out that it
->was a guess!

i described what i found in aeroflot brochures.  

->Sure, there're classes in Aeroflot, and they allways existed. They are 3:
->1st, business and economy. Sure again, seats are assigned, though they may
->have some bumping mess.

the gentleman from switzerland just said there was only one class on
the aeroflot flights he took.  are you calling him a liar?

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: guerra@stravinsky.cs.unc.edu (Carlos Guerra)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel,misc.forsale
Subject: One-way ticket for sale
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:58:34 GMT
Followup-To: poster

One-way ticket on Delta:

  from: Raleigh/Durham (NC)
  to: Indianapolis (IN)
  asking: $50

reply to:

guerra@cs.unc.edu
919-932-1779 (until July 31)
919-914-6851 (starting August 1)
From: wscc90r@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Wilson Chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Vancouver -> Calgary
Summary: Vancouver -> Calgary
Keywords: Vancouver -> Calgary
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:10:26 GMT

Hi there,

I am travelling to Canada from London later on this month. I am trying
to get to Calgary but my flight from London will only get me to
Vancouver. Ccan anyone give any advice on how to get a connect flight
from Vancouver to Calgary? Or is there a better to travel once I am in
Canada? I would appreciate any advie on this. Cheers,

Wils

wscc90r@uk.ac.aoton.ecs
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