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From: turkel@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Turkel)
Subject: Sony _Bookman_
Originator: turkel@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:58:54 GMT


Can anybody send me information (via e-mail) on the Sony _Bookman_?
I am hoping to find out approx US price, availability, title availability,
price range per title and any other relevant information you might have.
Testimonials welcome.

Thanks,
Bill
turkel@unixg.ubc.ca
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:56:41 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep12.164318.20609@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
=>In article <1992Sep11.172314.1317@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
=>
=>>Jeremy, the Law is a Ass. Leave legal matters to the assinine.
=>
=>Quite right. Similarly, one should leave geological matters to the oily.

And seismology to the Earth-shakers?



-- 
=======Jeremy Henderson========egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk===============
Q: How many user support people does it take to change a light bulb?
A: We have an exact copy of the light bulb here and it seems to be
   working fine.  Can you tell me what kind of system you have?  
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:15688 rec.arts.poems:8683
From: tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: Poetry Suggestion
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:33:26 GMT
Organization: University of Utah, CompSci Dept

>|> I will soon read a poem to my Toastmasters club (a club for people
>|> interested in improving public speaking skills).   I am looking for a
>|> particular sort of poem to read--I want an inspirational poem, a rousing
>|> tribute to the power and spirit of the human race.  I want a poem that
>|> brings a lump to your throat and makes you proud to be a human being.  I am
>|> particularly interested in something that celebrates the the noble or
>|> courageous individual.  I also need it to be from a reasonably well known
>|> poet, one that I would be able to find in a public or college library.
>|> 
>

Get that poem "Rage against the dying of the light", by,.... I forget.
It is advice to a person, telling them not to give in to old age, it is
cool and I love it.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Pleasant Afternoon's Reading
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:25:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <6257@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> kishore@simius.as.nps.navy.mil (Kishore Sengupta) writes:
>Having found refuge once from a fierce storm, I couldn't agree more about the harbor
>in Freetown. By the way, Lauren, I've been to Sierra Leone twice, and haven't seen
>a single leper anywhere.
>

You're kidding!  Well, that could be great news.  When I lived there about
12 years ago, there were loads of them.  I didn't realize what they were
for a long time, just thought they were beggars without digits.  I know
there's been a big push in the country to get the disease under control,
and it sounds like they may be successful.  I hope that's the case, and not
just that you and I saw different sides of the place.



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

I believe we are on the irreversible trend toward more freedom and
democracy -- but that could change.   -- J. Danforth Quayle  
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Editors other than Bowdler...
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:32:10 GMT

Mark Taranto writes:

	Those who visit New York and take a trip to the display room 
	at the main branch of the library (42nd St & 5th Ave) will 
	discover the original version of THE WASTELAND with Pound's 
	comments, and slashes through complete stanzas.  

No need, Thank God, to visit new York. The whole schmier is in a BOOK
published by Harcourt, Brace Jovanovich, Inc. 

		  	 T. S. ELIOT 

			THE WASTE LAND

		A facsimile and transcript of the
		  original drafts including the 
		    annotations of Ezra Pound

		Edited and with an Introduction by

			Valerie Eliot

ISBN 0-15-194760-0

								Fido
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From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Subject: Re:  Books on Disc!
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:44:38 GMT

In article <liam.06vi@durie.amigans.gen.nz>, liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) wrote:
>In article <1992Sep10.133552.24757@spider.co.uk> ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens) writes:
>>It's much more difficult to understand screen-based text.  The advantage
>    A matter of opinion. I find no difference.

Try curling up in bed with one.
-- 
Mike Rogers,Box 6,Regent Hse,##EveryoneHasTheRightToFreedomOfOpinionAndExpressio
TCD,EIRE. <mike@maths.tcd.ie>##nThisRightIncludesFreedomToHoldOpinionsWithoutInt
###############################erferenceAndToSeekReceiveAndImpartInformationAndI
deasThroughAnyMediaAndRegardlessOfFrontiers...#10 UN Declaration of Human Rights
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Bertrand Russell's Letters
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:38:39 GMT


Wandering around a bookstore, yesterday, I came across the newly published
THE LETTERS OF BERTRAND RUSSELL, Vol I.  It includes letters through 1914.
 
Does anyone know anything about it?
 
I only looked at it briefly.  It did answer one question I've had for
several years.  Some of you may remember that a few months back, I posted
excerpts from a letter (reprinted in Clark's biography of Russell) where
he describes the young T. S. Eliot, when Eliot was his student at Harvard.
It also mentions a Greek student named Demos.  I mentioned that when I
read this, I had what Joe Green would describe as an "ontic shudder" since
I had once had a very old Mathematics professor who was from Greece, was
named Demos, had gone to Harvard, and might have been there at that time.
Alas -- the book of letters gave his first name:  it was another Demos.
 
Mark
From: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: NPR & Freedom of the Press: Part I
Date: 5 Sep 1992 23:42:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: gxs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary Stonum)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock) says:

>In article <1992Sep5.161348.28313@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu 
(Francis Muir) writes:
>|> Throw your old Sons & Lovers away and read the book that Lawrence wrote;
>|> its sounds a whole lot more satisfying.
>|> 
>|> 							Fido
>Francis: You advise me to throw out my copy
>of *Sons and Lovers.* I consider this rash.
>Compare the two versions. It seems that 
>the editors (the couple, living I think
>in Provence) were too enthusiastic about 
>their edition. Of course they want everyone to rush
>out and buy the new $25 Cambridge edition.

The whole Cambridge UP enterprise in issuing a
newly edited, newly copyrighted, and very
expensive run of Lawrence's writings has not
exactly been popular in England, I understand.
I know only what I read in the papers, in this
case issues of the TLS from maybe three or four
years ago, but more than a few folks have accused
the Press of crass opportunism; it seems that at
least some of the "new" editions differ little from
the old ones.  [The Gabler edition of _Ulysses_
has been criticized for similar reasons--textual
scholarship as a form of piracy.]

I have no independent knowledge of the Lawrence
editions and have only scanned the new Joyce.  Can
someone more knowledgeable help us poor but
wary consumers?
-- 
      ||    Gary Lee Stonum                gxs11@po.cwru.edu    ||
      ||    English Department                  216-368-3342    ||
      ||    Case Western Reserve University                     ||
      ||    Cleveland, OH 44106-7117                            ||
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: A Pleasant Afternoon's Reading
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:39:37 GMT


One recent afternoon I chanced upon a novel by a relatively unknown 
Sierra Leone author Arnold Dunga and found it a thoroughly enjoyable
read. The prose evoked for me images bathed in the light of the
setting sun, hues beveiled by crisp spring rays, blue sky, water
lapping onto a beach, a yacht listing over wavelets whipped up by the
rising afternoon breeze...

Endek

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Chautauqua ? (Zen & the Art...)
    <1992Sep14.201935.18620@PacBell.COM>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:40:33 GMT
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

In article <1992Sep14.201935.18620@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>>> mike.siemon writes:
>
>>> Admittedly, "upstate New York" means anything outside the five boroughs
>>> (and probably also excludes Lon Gisland), but it should be noted that
>>> Chatauqua is a few miles south of Lake Erie, on a feeder lake named,
>>> oddly enough, Chatauqua) and equally few miles east of the westernmost
>>> border of New York.  It's about 100 miles northeast of Cleveland, and
>>> that is perhaps the best localization of its ethos.
>>
>>Is this a slur on Cleveland? I don't understand. Cleveland has a
>>rather undeserved reputation for unsavoriness, but it is -- in fact --
>>the most culturally diverse city in the country. Very European...
>
>Pshaw!  Since when did "Very European" come to mean "most
>culturally diverse"?  I have this image of fifth-generation
>Slavic Americans indulging in a General Foods International
>Coffee Moment(tm), with Julio Iglesias on the radio...
>-- 

I'm getting denser and denser. Was Cleveland insulted in the first place?
Am I being insulted here? Are Clevelanders with their fantastic
orchestra and art museums being insulted here? No kidding.
This oblique stuff has got to stop. But, in the first place, there's
nothing wrong w/ beer and metts. And there's more to Cleveland
than people w/ consonants for names. 
-- 
Coach Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> Season: 0-3 Lifetime: 0-5 
I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you all to repent from your sins.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: NPR & Freedom of the Press: Part II
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.92Sep5122053@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<JMC.92Sep5134523@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:03:49

I have figured out how to put a bit of right wing propaganda into
"Mistress" quite naturally.  However, it's specially designed for
that movie or and maybe some other movies with black characters.
I now think that that prize is winnable, because if someone else had
come up with my idea, I think I would have awarded the prize for
it.  Judging for all three prizes will be next weekend.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: The art of the blurb
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:42:24 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep13.231320.14916@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes:
>
	[Philip Roth letter to NYR]

	Mr. Roth is the General Editor of the Penguin 
	"Writers from the Other Europe" series.
	I finished _The Book of Laughter and Forgetting_ a couple
	of weeks ago, and the afterword, "A Talk with the Author,"
	between Roth and Kundera was one of the best parts of
	this really enjoyable work.

>Earl
>

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Looking for bookstore in Pennsylvania
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:55:58 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: scp1524@hertz.njit.edu (scott c pearson cis stnt)

In article <1992Sep11.151230.7514@njitgw.njit.edu>, scp1524@hertz (scott c pearson cis stnt) writes:
>I recall seeing an advertisement for a science and technical bookstore
>in Willow Grove, PA.  However, I can't recall its name and telephone
>directory assistance was unable to help me locate it.  Does anyone
>know the name of this bookstore (it claims to be the largest of its
>type on the East coast)?

It's the "Business and Computer Bookstore".  Don't take their claim too
literally--when you're in the Philadelphia area, you as might as well
also check out Quantum, Borders, U Penn, Drexel U bookstores, and Lame
Duck for used science books.  If `technical' includes architecture,
there's furthermore a specialty store for just that in Center City.
(I've never been to the Temple U bookstore, so I can't comment on it.)

And don't sell your own state short--there's the Princeton and Rutgers
bookstores.  There's also a used bookstore in Princeton, about a block
from the University store, with a good supply of science books.

Check out the FAQ for NYC bookstores.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:16025 misc.int-property:955
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: moral right and copyright
Keywords: Paternity, divulgation, integrity
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:58:15 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.181453.20022@samba.oit.unc.edu> Herman.Woltring@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Herman Woltring) writes:
>In article <7501@skye.ed.ac.uk> jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton) writes:
>>I now see thinks like
>>
>>  The author asserts his [her] moral right to be acknowledged as the
>>  author ...
>>
>The term "moral right" derives from the Berne Copyright (or, more
>appropriately) Author's Rights Convention ratified by the USA some
>years ago.  Under the old, Universal Copyright Convention regimen,
>moral rights didn't count.  Under Berne, the (true or legal?) author
>has moral rights as opposed to economic rights including the right
>to be mentioned as the author, the right to decide upon first pub-
>lication, and the right to oppose modification of the work *even*
>after the (economic) copyrights have been transferred to someone else.

This is fascinating (at least to one who believes that he has
produced some impressive intellectual property, which is doubtless
"owned" by his employer).

I'd like to start putting these notices on my own word. Is there
a particular form of words to use? 

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: ken@dakota (Kenny Chaffin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Natalie Goldberg & teaching writing
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:40:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <1992Sep14.212311.25121@nas.nasa.gov> wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
>
>At the rab fest a conversation came up about books for wannabe
>writers.  Janine was interested in some I had read.  
>
>I have two of Natalie Goldberg's, one I've read and one on my too read
>stack after I follow all the advice in the first one.  "Writing Down
>the Bones" is the first, and "Wild Mind", subtitled "Living the Writer's
>Life" is the second.
>

Both highly recommended based on my experience with them. What follows is
my review of "Bones" as it appeared in _Writer's Open Forum_ (Subscription
$10/yr(5issues) from WOF P.O. Box 516 Tracyton, WA 98393)


Review of: 

WRITING DOWN THE BONES by Natalie Goldberg

by

Kenny A. Chaffin






 Would you like some inspiration? Perhaps a little something to get you pumped
up? Writing Down the Bones by Natalie Goldberg will do both for you. This book
doesn't teach technique, style, or grammar, but it does free you to write. 
It encourages you to write what is important to you. 
 Goldberg's key is subtraction. She reduces the writing process to it's 
minimum--the writer, the pen, and the paper. The writing practice technique she
introduces in Writing Down the Bones parallels that of zen meditation. The idea
is to remove any outside influences or restrictions and allow you to focus your
writing on what is in your mind and soul. 
 Most writing instruction adds to the things you must do as a writer. They teach
grammar, spelling, dialog, plot, and on and on. Goldberg's lesson is to remove
these restrictions and let the writing flow. She strips the writing process 
naked to let you reach into your soul to record your deep dreams, your darkest 
feelings of terror, and your greatest ecstasy. These feelings are the things of
power and produce powerful writing. 
 Her writing practice has six parts: Keep your pen moving, don't cross out, 
ignore spelling and grammar, lose control, don't think, and go with the energy 
of your deep thoughts. 
 Writing Down the Bones exhibits what it teaches. It is written in short, yet 
perfectly formed chapters that are a pleasure to read. Each chapter pulls you
to the next one. You sit down to read the first chapter and some time later find
yourself at the end of the book. Reading it quickly is okay the first time, but
go back and read it again slowly. Savor the lessons it presents. They are 
inspiring lessons from Goldberg's writer's soul and worth reading many times.
  Writing Down the Bones is from Shambhala Publications, $8.95.




KAC


Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,comp.lang.postscript
From: dockhorn@fzi.de (Patrick Dockhorn)
Subject: REQ: PostScript drawing of H.G.Wells' TimeMachine ?
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: PostScript Wells TimeMachine
Reply-To: fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:51:38 GMT

Is the drawing of the Time Machine that appeared in H.G. Wells
book of the same name available on the internet ?
If so, could someone please point me to a site where I could
fetch it from.

Thanks,
Patsch
 
--
Patrick Dockhorn	       Forschungszentrum Informatik, Karlsruhe/Germany.
INTERNET: dockhorn@fzi.de      There are two rules for success in life:
BITNET  : ukew@dkauni2.bitnet  Rule 1:  Don't tell people everything you know.
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Crawford Kill[sic]ian
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:48:16 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

David Fiander apologizes for misspelling my name...no need. It's the curse of
the Kilians. The pretentious Irish Killians need an extra el, while we simple
German peasant Kilians make do with one. We're convinced, however, that the
original St. Kilian (an Irish missionary to the Germans, killed for his
trouble) spelled his name our way. I guess if we hadn't martyred him, we
wouldn't be under the curse. (But if we hadn't martyred him, we wouldn't have
adopted his name in a burst of belated guilt... :))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE)
Subject: Re:  Books on Disc!
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:46:02 GMT

In article <l4xnm7b@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:

>	Hogwash.  Children curl up with their Nintendos all the
>	time nowadays.  Also, consider:  An increasingly large
>	proportion of the population finds it difficult to read
>	small print texts.  With a good paper white LCD display,
>	the user could choose any size font in any typeface she
>	desired, with zero eye strain.  There is no need to
>	limit ourselves to plain jane ascii on a green screen.
>
>	Also hypertext facilities could provide instant
>	access to maps, drawings, notes, that can become very
>	tedious in a large printed volume with two or three bookmarks
>	keeping your place in the text, your place in the endnotes,
>	and the place in the map section.  There are certainly
>	good reasons why printed volumes will always be around
>	(cheap, simple), but there are also good reasons for
>	electronic books.

The man is absolutely correct. The first step is to kill all the computer
scientists who gave us these unreadable screen fonts in the first place,
set up a committee composed of readers, publishers, and English graduate
students, and find a font and screen that people can read easily. I curl
up with my laptop while reading these messages. You can't stand as a 
barrier to these new developments; that's for the great unconnected to do.
Embrace the future, because it will come. Already we find professors
asking their students to turn in papers on disk rather than on paper. 
It is easier to add comments to a paper, and to fix grammar, punctuation,
etc. on a word processor than with a red pen. I am toying with the idea
of doing this myself. It doesn't mean I will give up books, but a con-
siderable amount of what I read (journal articles, mostly) would be better
as etext, since it needs to be searched for relevant information, typed
into the computer, and referenced. All of these can be done more easily
with etext than with print. I embrace the future, since it has made me
the person I am today. Without its help in writing, my ideas would stay
in my head. Why the computer can't cause a revolution in reading as well
is something I don't understand.

Michael Wise
O Captain! My Captain!
UNLV English Department
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Art Flambeau (was: books to avoid
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:57:35 GMT
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

Francis Muir writes:

>I'd like to make the further point that I believe that while we may
>flame in public as much as we care to, it is a gross breech of good manners
>to carry on a flame in private.
>

A clever irony, but I don't see much practical advantage regarding some of the 
more ruinous exchanges that have populated r.a.b at times. Unless one wants
to posit that it's better to type an insult into a terminal than it is
to slap your dog. If that's the case, I guess I'd have to ask the dog.

-- 
Coach Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
Season: 0-1 Lifetime: 0-3 
I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you all to repent from your sins.
From: akao@.com (Adam Kao)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: A Reply to Professor McCarthy's query on films
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:19:31 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <191ebeINN5il@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:

> (84 lines elided)

For someone who knows the value of words you sure do waste a lot of them.

Adam
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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Bernard Berenson
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 07:56:54 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>
>>Ms Zimmerman might help us explore this most expert of all art experts.
>>In a sense he created the world of Italian art as we know it today. His
>>personal collection was the most exquisite ever put together, not excepting
>>that of the Romanovs.
>

	Hmmm.  This name strikes a chord.  Didn't I run across it
	in _What's Bred in the Bone_?  Also, the art restorer
	Saraceni in the novel has a large eclectic collection.
	Could he have been modeled after this Berenson?
	Just wondering. . .

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu