From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: response to ed
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:38:10 GMT

Teresa Kline (aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:

: >Nope, not at all.  Your name was drawn merely as an example.  Anyone would've
: >done as an example.  Tell you what ... replace "Teresa" with "Person A".  
: 
: Since this is your usual way of formatting examples, by *not* using it, you 
: made it personal.

It is?  Hmmm...thanks for bring it to my attention.  No, I didn't make it
personal - you took it personally.

: >No one asked you to love or respect *anyone*.  In my readings, I have, from 
: >time to time, come across psychological reports that talk about perps.  In 
: >the ones that I have seen, the lack of self-love is, in the author's 
: >professional opinion, a motivating factor in the abuse.
: 
: And *I* believe that lack of self-love is *caused* by the abuse.

Oops.  I didn't make myself clear.  The lack of self-love on the part of the
perp, is what I meant.  A survivor's lack of self-love can be caused by the
abuse, I agree.

: >But I *do* know you, and, to somedegree, how and why you think as you do.
: 
: No, you *think* you know me, how I think and why I think as I do.

Well, I stand corrected.  I never knew you could dance so well on the head of
a pin.  <sigh>

: And it was based on that past association that I resented the personalization
: of your post.  It is because of the "personal history" that seeing my name in
: your post made it personal. 

It was a not-so-random personalization.  Perhaps I should've turned it around,
perhaps I should've mentioned someone else.  But why are you so upset?  What's
the big deal?  I think by now everyone on asar is aware that I was using an
example.  Why are you still so offened by it?  Why are you trying to hurt and
insult me by trying to rub my nose in the opinion that I made a poor choice in
examples?

: >Who told you I wasn't a survivor?  You and I have had many long-distance
: >phone conversations about both my abuse and your abuse.
: 
: Allow me to be more clear.  The newsgroup is alt.SEXUAL.ABUSE.recovery.  I made 
: the worst engineering error, I ASSUMED that people would realize that by using
: the generic "survivors", I was talking about survivors of SEXUAL abuse.  In our
: conversations, you never mentioned *any* sexual abuse.

I'm not aware that this newsgroup is limited to survivors of sexual abuse only.
It certainly isn't mentioned in the FAQ.  And, yes, I believe I *did* mention
my own sexual abuse history, because I clearly remembered mentioning the "ex-
pulling the gun" incident to you.

: >I'm always interested in what you have to say, Teresa.  You are a very bright
: >and intelligent, logically-minded engineer.  I value your opinions.
: 
: Yeah, I noticed. [sarcasm intended]

I wasn't being sarcastic.

: >I hardly know *everything* there is to know - 
: 
: But your posts have the tenor of this omniscient.  This has been pointed out
: to you before, by me and others, in posts and e-mail.  And you have not 
: responded.  It should be clear to you by now that the *way*, the *tone*

I believe I have.  And how do you know what email I have gotten, and what
email I haven't, and how I have answered it?  For your information, I *do*
answer *all* email I get, insulting or not.  Why don't you stop trying to
build this thing up into a "us-vs-Ed" mob mentality thing?  I'd advise you
to let it go, Teresa.  All that hate and anger's gonna eat you up, to paraphrase
a movie...

At least take it to email, instead of cluttering up asar with your own personal
vendetta...

: if someone questions one of my posts, and I refuse to answer their question,
: I've just slammed a door in their face.  I wouldn't be surprised if they 
: don't knock on it again. 

Whose questions have I refused to answer?

: Why did you answer something with the name "Ed" in it???

Oh - that's easy!  I read everything posted here, and I noticed something I
wrote to someone else pulled out of context, and the attempt was made by the
author to slam me personally for the post.  That's why.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise