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From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: Re: A treatise on 7.1
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:37:16 GMT

In article <1015364.2AD172F0@cmhgate.fidonet.org>,
Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
>fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
>
>FNJ> you just take the tsr's in and out of you autoexec.bat file
>FNJ> it's really not very hard
>
>Actually, you just _comment_ them out.  You're right, it's not very hard--as
>easy as using INITPicker--and I think it's faulty for anti-DOS folks to dwell
>on this particular point as some sort of flaw.
>
On the Macintosh, you either shut them off with a switch (like INIT
Picker, Extensions Manager, etc.) or you pull them out of the
appropriate folder. When you are ready to eradicate them because
they don't work, you just throw away the control panel/extension.

On DOS/Windows, you have to comment them out in the autoexec.bat and
oftentimes the config.sys files (See Norton Antivirus, et al.). If
you then need to remove them, you go back into autoexec and/or
config, delete the load information THEN go find them in their
various subdirectories and delete them.

These two operations are NOT comparable. Tracking down conflicts on
the Mac is a pain in the neck, on Windows its a pain in another part
of the anatomy. This is a legitimate complaint in much the same vein
as: on the Mac there's one Finder; on Windows there's Program
Manager and File Manager.

Also, back to Extensions vs. TSRs, the Mac's memory management on
this issue blows away Windows/DOS. On the Mac, if you add Extensions
under System 7, the System dynamically adds heap space. On DOS, even
with HIMEM.SYS, TSRs can and do chew up part of your precious
640K, sometimes preventing programs from working at all.

Sure, you can go out and buy QEMM for your DOS box, and then
configure it (remember, though, don't use Stealth because it's
really nasty and don't have a non-standard video or other peripheral
board cause then you might have to get the right hex addresses to
block out some memory for it). I'll take pulling the stuff out of
folders any day; I'll take Startup Items any day; I'll take Finder
any day (with all it's flaws). I'll also take Apple and System 8 for
the next revolution in user interface design over Microsoft and
Windows NT/4.0 -- and I'll give a touchdown as the point spread.

Mark Rogowsky
"I do Windows but that doesn't mean I have to like it."
"Mac 512, Plus, Powerbook 170 owner"
rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu
From: pfkelly@bnr.ca (Pete Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AppleShare 3.0 and ARA conflict
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:35:55 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research/Northern Telecom
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:42:01 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11

Subject: AppleShare 3.0 and ARA conflict
From: Michael.Breen
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:38:20 EST
In article <1992Sep30.093821.1774@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> ,
Michael.Breen@UC.EDU writes:
>I have an AppleShare 3.0 file server running on a SE/30, 5 megs, sys
7.0.1 with
>tuna-up 1.1.1 also installed. This Mac is connected to our e-net and is
also
>TCP/IP enabled (current rev.).
>
>Enough details... we have a powerbook 140 and thought that the 030 would
be a
>perfect choice to run ARA. I might even be able to TCP out from home and
save
>myself America Online charges :)   -  But after I install ARA and try to
set up
>a users and groups file ARA informs me that it cannot work the the
current
>users and groups file and that they are incompatible...

You should be using AppleShare Admin to access the users and groups. It
can't be directly opened from the Control Panel.  After ARA is installed,
the ARA setup panel is appended to the bottom of the regular user
information window and you can add individual dial-back numbers, maximum
commect times, etc.  It's really rather smoothly integrated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: getz@dvinci.USask.Ca (Robin Getz)
Subject: Powerbook troubles
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:52:35 GMT

I don't read this group very often, so if this has been posted before
- sorry.  I am just wondering if anyone has encountered the same 
problems as I have.

The firm I am doing some work for (Not the University of Saskatchewan) 
has recently purchased 25 powerbook 170's (8Meg Ram / 80 Meg HD - no 
modem).

When they recieved them 6 were DOA.  In the one week that they have had 
them - 6 more have gone bad.  I have traced the problem to the 6MB mem
chips they (a local vendor) installed.  It seems that the powerbook 6Meg
SIMMs (the brand installed were CENTURY  NEP-16T  PB170-2/4/6MB  Made in
Japan) are wedged between the keyboard (on top), the connector that the
SIMM plugs into and a chip labelled G2 on the upper motherboard (the chip
has the following numbers on it 0057  50.000  9209 ) like follows:

                        |  keyboard
                        |______________
 _____       _____    _____                   -------------
|-----|-|||-|-----|--|-----|-                 |           |
 -----  |||  -----    ------  <- connact      |           | 
        |||   ______    | G2|                 |  SIMM     |
--------|||--|------|---|---|              ---|           |
    upper motherboard                      |G2|           |
                                           |  |           |
                                           ----------------
                                              ^
                                            connact

Then the keyboard is pushed onto the SIMM (ie picking up your powerbook
to put it into their bag) , the pressure from the SIMM actually has 
broken contact (the solder) on the topmost lefthand side pin on G2.  
There are dents on the casing of the keyboard to prove my point.

Has this happened to anyone else, or am I just lucky?

The symtoms of this problem are:  turn on your powerbook, it plays the 
nice start-up sound and then leaves the screen on (about) 1" by 1/2" 
black and white rectangles, and then stops. DEAD :(

comments would be appreciated.

I will be taking the powerbooks back and complaining, I just want to
know how loud to complain.

Robin Getz
getz@dvinci.usask.ca
--
My comments and only mine.
 
this is *not* a flame against apple - I love the powerbooks when they work
From: dac@sacpms.uucp (David A. Carlton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Help: Shrunken Control Panel Window (6.0.8) PB100
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:23:07 GMT
Organization: Poly Micro Systems

The problem is your using the 'Portable' control panel from System 7.0.
I had the same thing happen, install a new system from
your master 6.0.8 disk back over and it should be OK.

DaveC
-- 
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sacpms!dac@sactoh0.sac.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber)
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:46:32 GMT

In <1992Sep27.003934.34826@bmug.org> Steve_Costa@bmug.org writes:

>What if System Software cost less than $30 for the 10 disk set and
>manuals? And you could order from a 800 number?  I'm curious. What would
>you rather have? Computers that don't cost a arm and a leg or free
>System software? 

Free system software.  I've already given them the arms and legs. Lower
prices on Macs doesn't do anything for me at this point.

Douglas Surber
Lockheed
Houston, TX

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: Sys of sys7 uses 3.4 megs w/extensions,cdevs,etc.
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:09:28 GMT

jtc1@cornell.edu (John T. Chapman) writes:
: Things to check:
: 
: What is the RAM Cache set at? This all gets dumped into 'System Memory' 
: in the 'About this Macintosh' dialog. (See Memory control panel).
: 
: How much memory is there installed total? If you have greater than 8M and 
: do NOT have 32bit addressing turned on (Memory CP again), you will not be 
: able to access memory above the 8M (well, not without some tricks); it 
: will show up as 'extra' memory taken up by the System.
: (eg. you have a 10M LC, but have 32bit addressing turned off; only 8M 
: will be accessable and an extra 2M will be tacked onto the memory used by 
: the System.)
: 
: Good luck!

I have the same problem. I have a Mac IIsi, system S1-7.0 with 
Tune-Up S1-1.1.1. Physical memory is 9 MB, and with virtual memory 
I get 18 MB. 32-bit mode turned on. RAM cache set to 256 kB. 
'About this Macintosh' says my system takes 3.8-3.9 MB. When I check 
the system file itself, it's 5.1 MB.

/Mats
-- 
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Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
From: probulf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Probul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 800k Sys7 Startup Disk?
Keywords: sys7.0
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:57:42 GMT
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Originator: probulf@hphalle3i.informatik.tu-muenchen.de


In article <2301@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu>, pjr@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Pamela J Rusciolelli) writes:
|> Is an 800k System 7.0 Startup floppy possible ?
|> 
YES!!! (I've only tested this for a Mac Plus System)

I'm the author of the Min-System-Installer
(You'll find it on Sumex:info-mac:util). If you use my installer without
installing TuneUp, then it should work. TuneUp doesn't fit on this disk,
additional 7 KBytes must be deleted. 
The final release will be out on end of october I hope.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber)
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:48:53 GMT

In <1992Sep27.210847.29118@news.Hawaii.Edu> kheth@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Kelly Roy Heth) writes:

>It's a shame that certain people base their entire purchase of a system solely
>on price alone rather than looking at other things such as the ease of use of
>software, etc.

You'll notice I have never bought on price alone, every pc I have bought has
been a Mac.  Up to this point, the Mac is the best machine for my purposes.

What I object to is Apple renigging (sp?) on a promise, after I have given
them close to $20,000 over the past 8 years. If they want to charge for
everything on the next generation machines, fine. But they made an implicit
promise to Mac users that system software was free.  That was one of the 
reasons for the premium price. I don't intend to buy any system software
for my Macs and I'll remember this when I buy my RISC machine in a couple
of years.

Douglas Surber
Lockheed
Houston, TX
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Official word on System Software
Summary: How do I get official Apple information?
Keywords: System, Apple
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.ibhan.718376692

How do I get official Apple information on System software releases?  I'm
writing an article contrasting the features, pros cons and changes for
System 6, System 7, and System 7.1, and I need Apple's official
recommendations and descriptions.  Does anyone know who I could call or ftp?
Thanks.
-- 

             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
From: wyattw@loowit.wr.tek.com (Wyatt Webb;6291592;92-835)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: MaxAppleZoom Question
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:19:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Instrument Controllers and Software
In-reply-to: owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov's message of 25 Sep 92 18:19:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.181958.22173@riacs.edu> owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov (Owen S. Nishioka) writes:

   If memory serves, MAZ doesn't work anytime there are two video card
   present.  (Quadra internal (1) + Mac II vid card (1) = 2)  :-)

   The author justified this as if you can afford two screens, you don't
   need MAZ.  The real reason may be somewhat different.


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   _|_|_|   _|    _|    owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov
   _|  _|   _|_|  _| 
   _|  _|   _|  _|_|    -These are my personal views...
   _|_|_|   _|    _|     After all, who else would want 'em!


Um, I'm using an Apple 8-bit with MAZ on my IIci (has internal video)
and it works wonderfully...

Just my 2 cents...

Later,
	-Wyatt
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:12302 comp.sys.mac.apps:15058
From: bach@brahms.udel.edu (Baskaran Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: ARA, do I need two copies to connect two Macs?
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:28:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

Hi Netters:

To connect two Macs using Appletalk Remote Access software, do I need two 
different copies of the software?  Or, can I install the same copy on both 
machines?

Thanks for the info.

Baskaran
(bach@brahms.udel.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Michael.Welch@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Welch)
Subject: Looking for>> Truetype Pinyin font..FREE?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:23:30 GMT


  Pinyin, for those of you who don't know, is the English equivalent of
Chinese. It has a bunch of little tone marks above vowels, one of which is
a reverse-carrot, the other is a long mark. Last time I looked I didn't
see any of these in the keymap, so I was wondering if my eyes were
deceiving me or someone actually wrote a font for it...?

Michael W.
E-mail please: mwelch@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
               Michael.Welch@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dauter@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Michael Dautermann)
Subject: it's on mac.archive.umich.edu Re: What is PowerOrgasm?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Summary: a fine fine ftp site
Keywords: powerbook, orgasm, ftp, ftp, ftp
Organization: We're from the government, ma'am
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:26:44 GMT
Expires: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:00:00 GMT

In article <TJFS.92Oct5004755@coffee.tadtec.uucp> tjfs@tadtec.uucp (Tim Steele) writes:
>So where on the Internet is it?

  
it's on >> mac.archive.umich.edu <<.  Here is the listing from
our main index, available in the 00help directory as the "index.txt" file...

  
>/mac/system.extensions/init/powerorgasm1.1.cpt.hqx
>24     8/17/92     BinHex4.0,Compact1.33
>
>  You know the diner scene in _When Harry Met Sally_?  This init
>  makes your PowerBook play the audio from that scene when you plug
>  in the battery charger.  Is this sexual harassment?  DON'T ask
>  on comp.sys.mac.system...

  
get on our frequent ftp'er list.... send me e-mail at 
"mac-recent-request@mac.archive.umich.edu".
  

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From: ssaj+@andrew.cmu.edu (Siddharth Suri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Screen Snapshot
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:05:06 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I have this funny problem with my mac. Whenever I take a snapshot of the
screen(shift-command-3) my mac hangs on me. Not that screen snapshots
are really important, but it's really bugging. 

I have a IIsi with 17 megs RAM, system 7 with tune up and a horde of
inits and extensions. 

Thanks.

suri.
ssaj@andrew.cmu.edu
From: larimer@zeus.cdc.com (Mark D. Larimer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: What is PowerOrgasm?
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:33:47 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
X-XXMessage-ID: <A6EF9565AB01A11B@larimer.cpg.cdc.com>
X-XXDate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.160526.9428@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> David Landis, 
landis@ltpsun.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
>
>I just found a copy of the System 7 extension PowerOrgasm. But when I
>decompressed it, there was no documentation file. Can anyone tell me
>what this thing is supposed to do?

Seen "When Harry Met Sally"?  Remember Meg Ryan and the scene in the 
cafe?  It plays a portion of that sound clip either randomly during
operation or at startup (I'm not sure which).

Mark D. Larimer
(Control Data Systems, Inc.) && (University of Minnesota)
Internet: larimer@zeus.cdc.com

Go Meanies (3-1) !!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: phupf@cse.unl.edu (phil hupf)
Subject: disk images???
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:06:04 GMT

I have just downloaded a current version of System Software from "ftp.apple.com".  I was successfull in decommpression and dehexing but I Now have disk images, what do I now do with these files??

Thanks in advance.

Phillip hupf
phupf@cse.unl.edu
phupf@nde.unl.edu

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phupf@cse
phupf@nde
From: greg@applelink.apple.com (Greg Marriott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Two Minor Problems: Network Extension & Background
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:03:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <amfahr-250992144137@ditka.taligent.com>, amfahr@taligent.com
(Jeff Amfahr) wrote:
> Zapping PRAM will turn off AppleTalk.

Not exactly.  Zapping PRAM puts AppleTalk in a state much the same as
Schoedinger's cat (see any quantum physics text book :).  Some parts of
system software check for "off-ness", and decide AppleTalk is on.  Other
parts check for "on-ness", and decide AppleTalk is off.

In any event, Jeff's advice of going to Chooser and setting AppleTalk to
its desired state is the right thing to do.

We'll probably get around to fixing this, someday.

Greg Marriott
Blue Meanie
Apple Computer, Inc.

Disclaimer: My opinions are not necessarily the same as Apple's.
            (can a company even HAVE an opinion?)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: AppleShare 3.0 and ARA conflict
From: Michael.Breen@UC.EDU
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:38:20 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Cincinnati

I have an AppleShare 3.0 file server running on a SE/30, 5 megs, sys 7.0.1 with
tuna-up 1.1.1 also installed. This Mac is connected to our e-net and is also
TCP/IP enabled (current rev.).

Enough details... we have a powerbook 140 and thought that the 030 would be a
perfect choice to run ARA. I might even be able to TCP out from home and save
myself America Online charges :)   -  But after I install ARA and try to set up
a users and groups file ARA informs me that it cannot work the the current
users and groups file and that they are incompatible...

Are there any workarounds or patches for this problem? I really can't dedicate
another mac to the task, plus I've already installed the analog line in the
room with the server. It 'seems' logical that a dedicated server
should/could/would also be a dial-in point.

Any help or directions would be appreciated...

Michael Breen
Admin. Computing
Univ. College
Univ. of Cincinnati

BTW - I have a Shiva NetModem... I just would like to do a comparison of the
two, plus the netmodem software on the remotes is difficult to manage compared
with ARA.
From: csylvern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Craig S Sylvern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System icons on Sys 7
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:35:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University


How does one access System icons in System 7 (e.g. trashcan, floppy disk, 
folder, etc.)?

In Sys 6 it was easy just use ResEdit and find what you needed in either the 
desktop, Finder, or System files.  Where are they now????

Craig >> csylvern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Steve_Costa@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:54:42 PDT
Subject: Re: What I'll do if Sys7.1 isn't free...

(Look you complete and utter BOZO!  It just won't work!  You'll never
actually get to talk to Sculley and they are just going throw your faxes
in
the bin!  Geeze, the fanatics have just lost their grip on reality!)

You should call Apple sometime and ask for John Sculley's office. You
will be connected to someone who works under him and if you are
interesting you we be passed though to Sculley if he is available.He
also reads his AppleLink e-mail........He really is more accessable than
you think......

Steve Costa
BMUG

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From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Stuart R. Harper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Fetch on a Quadra
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:59:10 GMT
Organization: Drexel U- CCD - E4 Lab


	Our lab has recently aquire a couple new Quadra 700s. Being Internet addicts,
we assumed that the faster machine would allow at least slightly faster UL/DL
times using Fetch but we seem to get MUCH slower transfer (in the 4000-600
byte/sec range) on the Quadras with 20 MB of RAM as opposed to the MacIIx s we
use with 5 MB of RAM (10000-12000 bytes/sec). We've tried used fetch and
different times with different loads on the the Quadra and IIxs and the Ixs are
ALWAYS faster. 

  What gives?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber)
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:41:35 GMT

In <BvB9FC.L75@Novell.COM> mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:

>In article <dnsurber.717367297@node_26400> Douglas N. Surber,
>dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>>I can get a 50Mh 486 with several MB of RAM 100MB disk and Super VGA
>monitor
>>for under $2000. A Performa 400 with monitor is supposed to be about the 
>>same price (according to MacLeak), but nowhere near the performance.
>Macs are
>>still expensive compared to clones.

>This seems like shoddy thinking to me. Does a (50Mhz '486 + 4MB RAM +
>100Meg disk+ SVGA) == (Performa 400 + Apple Monitor + 4MB RAM + 80Meg
>disk)? Really? Does Windows or OS/2 come with it? Does it have built-in
>file sharing/networking? Does it come with printer drivers? Does it come
>with a ClarisWorks equivalent? Is it all pre-configured right on the hard
>disk? If this is true, go with the '486.

>--Mel Walker

Exactly my point!

I would argue that the PC hardware is superior, (more powerful, faster, 
whatever) to the Performa.  The difference in cost is justified by the 
system software.  In the latest InfoWorld HP is advertizing a 33MHz 486
full up for $1400. That means that if I pay $2000 for a Performa, I have
spent $600 for system software. Still pretty steep, unless upgrades are 
free.

Douglas Surber
Lockheed
Houston, TX