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From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Subject: Re: Urban Speed Limits
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:37:17 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

In article <ajpbart.714726551@adam.adelaide.edu.au>  
ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Barter) writes:
> Can anyone help me by telling me the speed limits which apply to
> various urban and suburban environments around the world. The reason I ask
> is that here in Adelaide, South Australia there is currently a debate
> going on about speed limits.
> 
> Now the blanket limit for both arterial roads and suburban residential  
streets
> is 60 km/h. One council area (Unley) is trialling a speed limit of 40 km/h
> for its residential streets. Meanwhile the limit on some arterials is being
> raised to 70 km/h (these are not freeways).
> 
> Some people here have been horrified that the limit may drop to 40. Some have
> said modern cars CAN'T go a 40 km/h comfortably! I have heard that many
> US cities have suburban limits of 25 miles/hr and that in Northern Europe
> the usual limits are 50 km/h and recently 30 km/h in residential areas.
> 
> Please post replies or email me.

It depends.

In Las Cruces, excluding major arterial streets with few cross streets or curb  
cuts, the speed limit is 25 MPH on local streets, 35 on arterial streets.   
There is a strictly enforced 15 MPH speed limit around schools at the start and  
the end of the school day.

Amherst, New York has speed limits ranging from 15 to 45 on most roads.  The  
lower speed limits tend to be on roads with more single family residential uses  
or on streets lacking medians.

ObPlanningJoke 

Q- What do traffic engineers consider the ideal street tree?
A- Dead.

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From: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger)
Subject: Re: planning for people
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:46:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.020231.25114@athena.mit.edu> sramming@athena.mit.edu (Scott '~ibo' Ramming) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.194334.20492@mercury.cair.du.edu> 
>  elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug30.014338.7310@micor.ocunix.on.ca> 
>  ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage) writes:
>
>>>Have you read City by William Whyte?
>>
>>As far as I know this is required reading for EVERY planning major. I
>>remember that in higher classes profs always talked about this book
>>like it was the "master plan".
>
>What? You have to be a planning major to read/post to this group?
>A civil engineer with a minor in econ and an interest in urban
>(passenger) transportation, who hasn't read City (yet) isn't good enough


I wouldn't worry about not being a planning ajor. I'm majoring in 
architecture/Interior design and have been enjoying this newsgroup
. Please post any though/ideas that you have
chris
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: alt.planning.urban
Subject: Transit villages
Date: 3 Sep 1992 19:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Hi.  The Oakland local paper recently had an article on transit
villages -- transit-centered high-density development.  Are there any
good books or articles on this subject?  The card catalog doesn't seem
to want to give me specific articles (I ask for "city planning
transit" and get zillions of specific plans for transit in local
cities).

Thanks.

 =Aaron=
-- 
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  Bring in the workers, and bring up the rails;
  We're gonna lay down the tracks, and tear up the trails. 
  Open her heart, let the life-blood flow,
  Gotta get on our way 'cause we're movin' too slow.
    -- Gordon Lightfoot, "Canadian Railroad Trilogy"
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: planning for people
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:57:42 GMT

sramming@athena.mit.edu (Scott '~ibo' Ramming) writes:

> What? You have to be a planning major to read/post to this group?
> A civil engineer with a minor in econ and an interest in urban
> (passenger) transportation, who hasn't read City (yet) isn't good enough?

From the 1990 APA New Mexico Conference, as someone imitates Johnny Carson's  
character Carnac ...

(holds envelope to head) "Dead"
(Tears open envelope, removes and reads paper) "A traffic engineer's ideal  
street tree."

Transportation planners are a different breed than other planning specialists.   
Instead of being concerned about aesthetic, land use and social concerns,  
transportation planners have one goal in mind - to get as many people from one  
end of the city to the other in as little time as possible.  Often times, that  
philosophy runs contrary to many planning concepts such as neotraditionalism.

I'm not knocking transportation planners ... a TP is a must in any good  
planning department.  However, they just see things differently than other  
planning professionals.  The TP in my department and I have running  
mini-battles over certain planning issues ... I say control new roadbuilding to  
keep development close in, and curb urban sprawl.  He says build more roads,  
get traffic across the city faster, and increase your carrying capacity.  He  
feels that zoning can effectively be used as the only tool to control sprawl.   
Yeah, right, let's see how long that land abutting the new six lane parkway can  
stay zoned agricultural :)

I'd like to hear more from the transpo/engineering point of view concerning  
planning issues, though.

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   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
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From: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sean M O Donnell)
Subject: Re: planning for people
Originator: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:49:54 GMT

From article <1992Aug30.014338.7310@micor.ocunix.on.ca>, by ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage):
>>knows of resources which might help me with my BFA, please let me know.
> 
> Have you read City by William Whyte?
> 
> Alayne McGregor


Or, The Death and Life of Great American Cities by Jane Jacobs?  It's
a classic.

Sean

> alayne@ve3pak.ocunix.on.ca
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: an701@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John C. Heinnickel)
Subject: Appologies
Reply-To: an701@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John C. Heinnickel)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:36:45 GMT


To those who requested copies of my wolf.gif series, I am running into HD space
trouble now, but, I have finally got my hands on a UUencoder and so they will 
be forthcoming.
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From: an701@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John C. Heinnickel)
Subject: Re: Another newcomer
Reply-To: an701@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John C. Heinnickel)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:36:02 GMT


In a previous article, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu () says:

>Hey, I'm new to this group too (I think our feed picked it up over the summer)
>but I am very interested in the topic. Can anyone recommend a book on wolves?
>
>--Semhaza
>


Here are a couple:
"Way of the Wolf" "Arctic Wolf: Living with the Pack" and "The Wolf" by L. D.
 Mech
"Wolf and Man" by Barry Lopez
"Acrtic Wild" and "Captive Wild" by Lois Crisler

Those should keep you busy for now.  :)
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Another newcomer
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:53:23 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Hey, I'm new to this group too (I think our feed picked it up over the summer)
but I am very interested in the topic. Can anyone recommend a book on wolves?

--Semhaza
From: goldsman@denver.gatech.edu (Michael G. Goldsman)
Subject: NY Times letter to the editor about Wolves
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:34:24 GMT
X-Posted-From: denver.cc.gatech.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Does anyone have more information about the Alaska wolf management plan?
Actually, I remember now htat I have a report that I can
get from my home and look at. I will post a summary.

this letter seems a bit confused about the facts.

Wolves were not reintroduced to Montana... they migrated down from
Canada on their own accord.

there is however, a plan to reintroduce them to Yellowstone and Idaho.



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From the NY Times Editorials/Letter page (A10)  August 31, 1992


WHY DO WE BOTH SAVE AND KILL WOLVES?

To the Editor:
   Having been a wildlife conservationist for some 20 years, I was very
happy to see your Aug. 10 front-page report on returning the Rocky Mountain
gray wolf to Montana.  It was wonderful to see this beautiful, useful
animal restored to its rightful place.
   While wolves are reintroduced to Montana, however, the wolves of Alaska
are being killed at an increasing rate -- in the name of "wolf control." 
In that state -- our last great wilderness -- "wolf management" has been 
in effect for years. The Alaskan Board of Game adopted a management plan
for southeast Alaska last October. It delineates seven management zones and,
for example, outlines ho many wolves will be targeted to be killed om zones
5 through 7 and by what methods.
   Land and shoot practices -- from airplanes -- have been usual. Last 
March, the game board passed draft plans for south central and interior 
Alaska, to promote more wolf control.
   What is the sense in all this? To kill wolves -- in the name of sport --
in their present habitat (where there are no ranchers and cattle to pose 
problems) -- and reintroduce them in their former habitat where conflicts 
with ranchers exist? Wolves are, like humans, part of creation. They deserve 
to live -- and need all the help they can get.
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From: stiemsma@caen.engin.umich.edu (John David Stiemsma )
Subject: Newcomer
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:25:46 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

Hi, I'm new to this group.  There doesn't seem to be
much excitement.
What do you people talk about wolves anyway?

From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:55:52 GMT
Subject: Blue Wolves in WA?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.wolves

Several years ago (actually more like 10-15) I read an article in
the Reader's Digest about this dude who was taking care of *Blue
Wolves* in his private semi-wild zoo up in Washington State. He
allowed visitors so as to help with the expenses of caring for
them. I don't think they were actually *blue* wolves, but more
a tint of gray that resembled a light blue color. Been too long
now for my memory cells to retain much information.

Does anyone have more knowledge on this?
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Newsgroups: alt.wolves
Subject: Re: gophers (Inducing learned aversion)
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:14:14 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

I was just putting forward an idea; I did not mean to upset anyone.

You do not need to capture animals to teach them about learned
aversions; just scatter baits from a plane--say in the winter near
sleeping areas.  Even if you miss a few animals, you still reduce
sheep kills from what it was before and put more pressure on gophers.
And the parents will teach their cubs that gophers are good eating.

You can rebait at yearly intervals to mop up any new cubs and any
that might have reverted.

I still think it is better than shooting them.

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From: jlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long)
Subject: Re: getting close
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:40:12 GMT

In article <199224.696.4@channel1> "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>  
writes:
> Does anyone else with a love for wolves, and for domestic canines
> as well, feel the same hankering I do to raise a husky or a
> malamute to be as near a wolflike creature as practicable? I
> know, I know all about the differences, but aesthetically, they
> attract me because of the similarities. Have long since decided
> that raising a wolf hybrid is not for me, but I find the northern
> breeds of domestic dogs very appealing.

You are not alone.  I had similar feelings and chose a Siberian Husky (after  
much reading) and I am quite happy.  She is as close as I think is resonable to  
having a wolf in my "backyard" - (she actually spends most of her time indoors  
with the "pack")  I would be happy to discuss this further if your interested -  
just do your homework - Nordic breeds do have some unique requirements - mostly  
in the form of attention and exercise.

Happy Husky Hankering! :)

James
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Newsgroups: alt.wolves
From: jeanette@hpmcaa (Jeanette Skelton)
Subject: Re: Blue Wolves in WA?
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 16:25:56 GMT

Graeme Harrison (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) wrote:
> Several years ago (actually more like 10-15) I read an article in
> the Reader's Digest about this dude who was taking care of *Blue
> Wolves* in his private semi-wild zoo up in Washington State. He
> allowed visitors so as to help with the expenses of caring for
> them. I don't think they were actually *blue* wolves, but more
> a tint of gray that resembled a light blue color. Been too long
> now for my memory cells to retain much information.
> 
> Does anyone have more knowledge on this?

The "semi-wild zoo" sounds a lot like Wolfhaven in Tenio (or was it
Denio?) Washington. I visited there a year ago. They take in wolves
that have been raised as pets or used in circuses, so they can't 
survive in the wild.

As I recall, they have a few coyotes, and several wolves. I don't
remember any "blue" wolves. On second thought, I'm not sure that
Wolfhaven has been around for 10 or 15 years.

Jeanette
From: engberg@raven.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (daVe)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: What was Bush's (actually Gorbachev's) New World Order
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.182559.9512@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
|>    The New World Order is just a simple idea: a world with unity at the top
|> of sufficient strength as to be able to stop any nation from ever starting a
|> war again, or to be able to put a quick stop to it.

hmmm... i'm curious as to your definition of 'the top' of the world.  i assume
by this that you mean the United States and its allies ... with their God- (or
Monroe-) given position as global ideology enforcers.  Certainly you can't
mean the 90% of the world that DOESN'T live in US or Western Europe.  The
decisions of third world nations to respond to 'violations of laws' (such as
Hussein's decision to invade Kuwait over purported treaty violations on drilling
oil pricing, etc.) are obviously not as valid as Herr. Bush's decision to invade
smaller countries for violation of U.S. drug laws.

It's obvious that when the countries at 'the top' of the world decide to kill
hundreds of thousands of civilians, they are just 'stopping' war.  Or as
Bush says: "Winning the Peace."  Those deaths don't really count on the
scorecard.

Your definition of the New World Order seems remarkably close to the Mafia
moving into a city and declaring that any small-time hoods would be killed
if they don't work for the Mob bosses.


|>    It's not a vision.  It's a precedent of international law.  If the UN
|> decides to use its newfound precedent to belatedly muscle its way in to resolve
|> the Serbian and Somalian wars, then it's from following up on this precedent.

'International Law' is not a writ from God.  The U.S. government has always
had a remarkable talent for ignoring every decision of the U.N. and World
Court that goes against it, while declaring that every decision it can
bribe or muscle its way through security counsels to be the mandate of all
corners of the world.

daVe "ANYONE but bush in '92" engberg
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Subject: What was Bush's (actually Gorbachev's) New World Order
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:25:59 GMT

   Partly on the basis of knowing Bush's past, and partly from seeing the
opportinuty myself I was anticipating Bush's response the minute Hussein
stepped into Kuwait.  So I could tell you why both beforehand and after the
fact he said what he said.

   The New World Order is just a simple idea: a world with unity at the top
of sufficient strength as to be able to stop any nation from ever starting a
war again, or to be able to put a quick stop to it.

   So I guess I just don't see where anyone had trouble understanding what he
meant by New World Order.

   It's not a vision.  It's a precedent of international law.  If the UN
decides to use its newfound precedent to belatedly muscle its way in to resolve
the Serbian and Somalian wars, then it's from following up on this precedent.

   Also, Gorbachev is the one who came up with the idea originally, not Bush.
In his early presidency, if you recall, Bush was trying to take away some of
the show from Gorbachev, who before that time was dazzling the world with his
statesmanship and stealing the show from him and Reagan with his visions of a
new world order.
From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Re: What was Bush's (actually Gorbachev's) New World Order
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:32:03 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug29.182559.9512@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
>From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
>Subject: What was Bush's (actually Gorbachev's) New World Order
>Date: 29 Aug 92 18:25:59 GMT


>   Partly on the basis of knowing Bush's past, and partly from seeing the
>opportinuty myself I was anticipating Bush's response the minute Hussein
>stepped into Kuwait.  So I could tell you why both beforehand and after the
>fact he said what he said.

>   The New World Order is just a simple idea: a world with unity at the top
>of sufficient strength as to be able to stop any nation from ever starting a
>war again, or to be able to put a quick stop to it.

>   So I guess I just don't see where anyone had trouble understanding what he
>meant by New World Order.

>   It's not a vision.  It's a precedent of international law.  If the UN
>decides to use its newfound precedent to belatedly muscle its way in to resolve
>the Serbian and Somalian wars, then it's from following up on this precedent.

>   Also, Gorbachev is the one who came up with the idea originally, not Bush.
>In his early presidency, if you recall, Bush was trying to take away some of
>the show from Gorbachev, who before that time was dazzling the world with his
>statesmanship and stealing the show from him and Reagan with his visions of a
>new world order.

Oh, Gorbachev's idea, eh!  Well, I feel much better now, thanks.  Isn't he 
the same one who declared in Peristrioka that the NWO was to be "a world of 
Communism"?   
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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Open Borders For All!
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:07:13 GMT

In article <Bt73sI.MsM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> cdwilde@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Wilde) writes:
> And tell me, what is wrong with giving preference to persons with skills
> and training (which is the real  reason people from the "North" cross
> borders)?  Nobody is interested in allowing immigrants that would simply
> end up on the welfare system.

In article <FS_FUCHS.92Aug28142237@rcsw66.rcvie.at> fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs) writes:
>How do you know that they simply would end up on the welfare system?

They won't.  It's racist rhetoric.  More than likewly what will happen is that
they will work their asses off to make ends meet, constantly subject to blatant
bigotry such as that above, and eventually be able to bootstrap themselves into
their own business.  And so the economy becomes enahnced with the addition of
a new small business and new jobs, all while many of the natives wallow in
self-pity looking for someone else to blame because their spoiled way of life
is finally being called up.

Those are the facts.
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