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From: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith)
Subject: Re: Better File Management??
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:45:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.203146.24537@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.210300.11314@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>>In article <1992Dec31.185639.29060@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>> A suggestion for OS/2 2.1:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps a faster (PLEASE!!!) graphical interface for file manipulation
>>> is in order. It seems that the PM is very slow for that kind of stuff,
>>> even when no other tasks are active. 
>>
>>The file management in OS/2 2.1 beta has been speeded up. It is fastenough for
>>me.....I don't know if it will be for you. The Extended Attributes slw things
>>down a bit, but that is an OK trade-off in my book, for the benefits they
>>bring to the system.
>
>
>	I'd like to see a full-screen file-management program along the lines
>	of TI's little 30k utility, "LFM" (laptop file manager?).  quick,
>	efficient, flexible.  (Needs a move command, tho).  I'm sure someone
>	could write one quickly.
>
>	(In other words, I'd like to see IBM include a number of text-based
>	utilities [yes, despite slow scrolling] with OS/2 and make them
>	an option..)
>
>
>>> A final suggestion, only because it's really neat.....
>>> 
>>> Sound support for PM system activities...ie, audio greeting on bootup,
>>> etc.
>>
>>It won't be in 2.1.....but it is in the works...so I am told.
>
>
>	I hope they make *sure* that is is an option and that the
>	software to do it is optionally installed.  I consider this
>	stuff a *total* waste under Windows... 
>
>
>>Steve
>>-- 
>>Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | On Sept. 19th, 88% of NZ voters opted
>>Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
>>+64 4 478 4714                          | looks like we may get a more  
>>**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | democratic system "real soon now".
>
>
>-- 
>	Blaming society for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
>	         ---  Boycott == censorship == cowardice  ---
>	Do I even need to point out that my views do not represent
>	those of my employer, institution or relations?


Norton Commander for OS/2 is quicker and if you registerd you should get a 
special offer of $50 flyer attached to an invitation to the OS/2 technical
interchange. I have just recieved it today initial impression is it's worth
$50 but not the $150 that is list. Fer Instance it does not make consistent use
of the non-default mouse button.  If there's any interest in further details 
e-mail me.    

MArtin Smith
msmith@netcom.com
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From: bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 04:59:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu

In article <faG=022e2f2U01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> rwb00@avon.as writes:
>
>In article 15894@unlv.edu, slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.040237.14440@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
>>>In article <Bzn0EI.D2w@csulb.edu> sichermn@csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:
>>>I dont care what MS _might_ do. I do care about what they have
>>>done. By now, with the exception of IBM (with an early help from MS),
>>>nobody was able to produce as cheaply an operating system that people really 
>>>_wanted_, other then MS. Just take a look at the history and you will
>>>see how prices are becoming lower, and new applications that people 
>>>_want_, are being written as a result of MS-Windows. 
>>
>>Here's a quarter, go BUY a clue. And remember that all MS is they owe
>>to DR. Why? Because if DR hadn't f*cked with IBM, THEY would have been
>>the company IBM hired to write the opperating system for the IBM PC.
>>Bill Gates would still be in his garage fiddling with QDOS...heh.
>
>Interesting. MS developed Windows, Word, all those mac applications,
>a mouse, trackball, soundboard - all thanks to DR ! Microsoft (and Bill
>Gates) just stood there, and these products sprang forth - because of DR !

Microsoft developed the mouse?  Tell that to Doug Englebart who did
develop the mouse (1965).  He did the track ball too. 

Windows isn't a copy of X?  

Sure, MS developed Word, but a lot of folks do NOT agree that Word is
the best around.

It seems to me that MS doen't have many original ideas, but they sure
take credit for them.

>
>Maybe you should keep the quarter and buy yourself a clue ?

Maybe you need more than one clue.  They really don't cost a quarter,
try research before you speak.
--
Bruce Dubbs                   |  Oxymorons of note:
bdubbs@neuron.tamu.edu        |  Honest Politician, Political Science,
                              |  Scrupulous Lawyer
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: ftc and ms
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:04:03 GMT

discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:

>WRONG!  I can't believe that people actually post such inane ideas.  
>The agreement is like: if Joe's Clone shop ships 1000 boxes a month, Joe could
>ship 'em with 1000 copies of MS-DOS for $8, or he could choose NOT to
>abide by the agreement and purchase MS-DOS for $24 apiece. 

And Joe Clone would go out of business. With the small mark-up on PC clones
they can't just add $16 to their cost. To stay price competitive with
the other clone makers they *have to* accept the $8 offer. It sounds like
they have a choice, but the only real choice is to go out of business.

Thats the reality of the situation and Microsoft knows it. No one in
their right mind would agree to Microsoft's terms if they had any real
choice. A coice between doing it Microsoft's way or going out of business
isn't much of a choice.

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Disclamer: I didn't do it - I was somewhere else at the time.
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From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft the next Standard Oil?
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:07:08 GMT

helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
[....]
: We need fear Microsoft becomming a monopoly no more than we needed to
: fear Standard Oil.  History clearly shows that the free market was
: working to reduce Standard Oil's market share.  And if we don't use the
: FTC as a club to beat Microsoft into the ground, history will again show
: that the free market in computer software will work fine too.

Ah the great god of the free market. Tell me, does the free market
help to provide medical care for the entire population of the US? Does
the free market - so vigorously espoused by the IMF and the World Bank
- help to keep third world countries out of debt and to feed their
populations? I read this morning that the police in the Ukraine cannot
even drive to most crime scenes because under the fabulous free market
system they don't have the gas to do so.

The free market system is another attempt by mankind to regulate
affairs. It is not cast in stone, it is not holy write - and it
doesn't work.
--
Real:  Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C.
Email: (dbarker@spang.camosun.bc.ca)
Phone: +1 604 370 4452
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: Bill Gates:  What a weenie...
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:32:32 GMT

In article <dlcogswe.726111080@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>Did anybody catch Bill Gates' interview on This Week with David
>Brinkley?  It had to be the most awkward ten minutes of television
>history.  What a geek.
>
>One good point:  he admitted that he's the richest man in the U.S.
>because he was in the right place at the right time.  
>
>I especially like the bone he threw to IBM about how they were "still
>likely to play an important role in the computer industry" followed by a
>nervous grin (i.e., "I didn't really believe what I just said, but I
>sure wish they still liked me...").
>
>All in all, I'm glad I'm not buying this man's products. 
>
>-- 
>Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"
>
Well, I *am* buying this guy's products (they work just peachy-keen for
me!) and I thought it was pretty embarassing, not so much for Bill (who
really had little of value or interest to say) but for the almost
fawning attitude (at least relatively so) of his questioners (especially
George Will (Not), Mr. "I own your stock, Mr. Gates, sir, and I am
thankful for what you've done for me").  To my mind, this topic of the
"baby boomers come to power" could have been much better done (though it
was fun to see/hear Bill G. claim he wasn't one of the boomers, heck
that's what the program was about!).  Oh well, it's just televsion: now
back to the OS/2 vx. Evil Microsoft battles...

Joseph T. Malloy / WB2RBA
Associate Professor of German / Hamilton College / Clinton, New York
jmalloy@hamilton.edu
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From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: DOS 6 Beta Looks for OS/2!!!!!!!!
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 08:00:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.205950.9531@spang.Camosun.BC.CA> dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) writes:
> z_kupkams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> : 
> Well, it's an 'improvement' over DOS 5.0, which absolutely refused to
> install if there were other 'unknown' (i.e. OS/2 - or presumably
> certain flabours of UNIX) present. I had to let DOS reformat my HPFS
> partition and then reinstall OS/2. I was not amused - but then neither
> was I much surprised - my immediate thought was, "typical bloody
> Microsoft, can't get anything right."

I run DOS5 with Boot Manager on my PC at work....I don't recall having any
trouble installing it. It just went to the "C:" drive (all the rest are HPFS
and invisible).
 
Steve
-- 
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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |        Space for rent.
+64 4 478 4714                          |    -cheap rates, nice location. 
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | 
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:15:42 GMT

In <1992Dec29.235134.23000@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:

>In article <wiegand.725655487@lido16> motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net writes:
>>bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:

>>Oh please - you can't really believe Microsoft would be selling their
>>software cleaply if there was no competition. Microsoft - like any other
>>company - will charge as much as they can for their products. If you
>>eliminate their competitors their prices would go up *fast*.

>What you dont realize, of course, are all the "hidden competition". 
>That is, all those who will try to become a competition if MS raises
>its prices too high. Just take a look at what happened to Intel with
>the advent of Cyrix & AMD. 

Yeah.  They found lots of work for their corporate legal staff suing
Cyrix and AMD.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:50:06 GMT

In article <AAt38GhqK3@lvvhq.adam.kiev.ua>, lvv@lvvhq.adam.kiev.ua (Leonid Volnitsky) writes:
|> >remaining strong points of the American economy.  No matter that American
|> >programmers are trying to compete with programmers in Eastern Europe who
|> >are thrilled to work for $300 a month.
|> 
|> Ok, I'll be thrilled by $300 a month when my current summery salary from
|> two jobs as LAN admin and UNIX admin is about $30 and having 14 hours
|> work day (and night). I am not complying (average salary at my
|> country is about $8), just wanted to clear things up.

This was a sobering post.  Folks, this is not the time to be bashing our
strongest software companies.  The xUSSR's problems are not going to last
forever and these guys are soon going to give us a real run for our money.
From: sjb5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STACY JOHN BEHRENS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: ftc and ms
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:19:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec22.222017.433@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Ran
dall A Helzerman) writes:
>In article <BzoCzH.Ds0@news.iastate.edu>, TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I
Miller) writes:

(stuff deleted)

>|> >Hey, Microsoft didn't hold a gun to anybody clone maker's head and
>|> >force them to sign a contract.  Both parties voluntarily signed contracts
>|> >because they both thought it would benefit them.
>|> >
>|>
>|>      I agree, no guns were involved.  I'm against the nature of the
>|> contracts signed.
>
>Pardon me, but isn't the nature of the contracts signed the business of only
>the people who sign it?  If they both like the contract enough to sign it
>then why would you possibly be against it or even care?
>

Not when those contracts affect third parties, namely *me*.  You had better
believe I care.  If the system that I prefer is driven out of the market by
such tactics, you can bet your fanny that I will be more than a little pissed.
Those contracts involve what the company is going to sell to third parties.  I
along with several million other people am that third party.  I also have a
problem with paying for things I don't want.  Thus I am involved, whether MS
likes it or not.

-- 
Stacy John Behrens
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From: dyoung@netcom.com (David Young)
Subject: Re: NSC Bulletin Board Gone????????
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:16:43 GMT

From article <ng12s9@rpi.edu>, by hurnik@aix.rpi.edu (Kevin James Hurni):
>   Is the NSC BBS still alive?  I have been unable to connect in the
> past two days.  (I dialed 404-835-6600).  All I get is a busy signal
> and after about 2 hours I can manage to get through but the line
> just rings and rings and nobody answers.  I need to get the last two
> diskettes for the CSD pack.  Can anyone help?  If so, Please email
> hurnik@rpi.edu
> 

I just got off of the NSC BBS and it's been down due to a software problem.
It's up and running fine once more.
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From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:21:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.203801.7799@donau.et.tudelft.nl> linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) writes:

>>Wuh ? In the MS-DOS market you cannt avoid knowing a lot about
>>the internals of the system and the hardware. Ever heard about
>>writing interrupt handlers ?
>
>This is very silly. It is not at all necesarry to write an interrupt
>handler for a regular piece of software. In fact, why would anyone
               ^^^^^^^
What about not-so-regular piece of software ? Are you suggesting
that only "regular" software will be sold after the FTC ?

>want to go invent the wheel over and over again? There are
>libraries you can use to do almost anything these days. No need
>to know about the system at all, except for trivial things, like
>does it provide graphics or not, does it have a clock or not and
>such. Still these things can be solved at the high level language
>level.

Who wrote the libraries ? An application or an OS programmer ? 
Who is going to decide on it ? the courts ? the FTC ?

>Erik

Dov

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From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison)
Subject: Re: Rude behavior on this group.
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:19:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.155127.29104@apgea.army.mil> rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>) writes:
>
>
>Question: For all of you who don't want to buy windows, dos..etc.. with
>your system. Why don't you just buy a system piece by piece and put it
>together yourselves? If you don't need any type of os installed, you
>probably know enough about IBM clone anatomy (or atlest you should) to
>build it yourself. That way, you get exactly what you wanted.
>I did, I love windows, but it just wasn't making the grade on a 386-sx 16
>with 4 megs of ram. But I only had 1700 dollars to build one... so
>I got a 486 dx-33 with 16 megs. A complete system, minus cd-rom drive
>cost me about $1800. ok, it was 100 more but that wasn't too bad.
>
>Rob Merritt
>
>My opinions are my own.

In my case that is exactially what I did for home.  However, when you
work for a company, building boxes is generally considered a No-No.
As a software developer, we need to know that our software is going
to work on a Box built by "X" manufacturer, so we have to buy then.
Then the supplier loads all sorts of software that we neither want or
need, and because of his contract with m$ refuses to NOT load the
software.  That is my gripe.  The other Gripe is that when we want
to buy Windows, it costs us $100 a throw, the hardware supplier 
gets it for $15.  Of course, we could get a mis-installed windows
with the machine, but support costs add up to much more than we
might save.

--Lowell Morrison
--Uncle Wolf

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman)
Subject: Is Microsoft the next Standard Oil?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:33:30 GMT

In article <Bzn0EI.D2w@csulb.edu>, sichermn@csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:

|>   And supposedly Standard Oil (back in the late 1800's) found their oil
|> fair and square. However, the marketing practices they followed and the
|> restrictive covenants they imposed on their distributors and sellers
|> were anti-competitive and the general vertical control they exercised
|> over the whole system was deemed unhealthy for the consuming public.

OK, I really didn't want to address the Standard Oil strawman, but I'll
go into it anyways.  Here are some facts which your (probably goverment
owned and operated) school didn't tell you about Standard Oil.  
Source: "Antitrust & Monopoly: Anatomy of a Policy Failure" by Dominic 
Armentano:

Standard Oil never was a monopoly.  It reached its biggest market share in 
1890 with 88% of the petroleum product market.  Not even the great John D.
Rockafeller himself could turn Standard Oil into a monopoly.

It wasn't until 1907 that suit was brought against it for its failure to
comply with the Sherman antitrust act.

And it wasn't until 1911, 21 years later, that it was finally convicted 
of being a monopoly.

In the meantime its market share had fallen from 88% in 1890 to only
66% in 1911.  Standard Oil was never a monopoly, and in fact in the 21 years
between 1890 and 1911 it had a steadily decreasing market share.  Why?
Not because of antitrust laws--there were none.  Because of competition
from small companies like "Gulf" and "Texico".

The antitrust laws were passed under the guise of protecting consumers from
big evil rapacious business, but the true motivation was jealously on the
part of the companies who couldn't compete.

We need fear Microsoft becomming a monopoly no more than we needed to
fear Standard Oil.  History clearly shows that the free market was
working to reduce Standard Oil's market share.  And if we don't use the
FTC as a club to beat Microsoft into the ground, history will again show
that the free market in computer software will work fine too.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: More advertising
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:36:20 GMT

In article <BUHR.92Dec31131124@ccu.umanitoba.ca> buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.041533.3989@microsoft.com>
>philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>|
>|	Fred, if you can show me an MS-DOS ad that says that it
>|  runs "all DOS programs", or a Windows ad that says it "runs all
>|  Windows programs", then I'll lobby to have the company change
>|  it.  I have never seen such an ad - I don't honestly believe
>|  that one exists.
>
>Tell you what, Phil.  If you can get Microsoft to pull the "operating
>system" crap from their Windows boxes, I'll help you lobby against
>using the word "all" in OS/2 advertising.
>
>Kevin <buhr@ccu.UManitoba.CA>

Why?  It *is* an operating system.

gd&r, as they say on Compu$erve...

jmalloy@hamilton.edue

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