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From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: More about India
Keywords: India, US, Women, Eve-teasing, Harassment.
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:13:56 GMT

Well, the "pro-US" and the  "pro-Indian" camps in this
"war" have sort of come to a stalemate, as it happens in 
the case of many such controversial topics. 

From what the "pro-US" camp people said (and I received at least
one email which explicitly said so) I could sense one thing :
they all seem to be _somehow_ feeling that the men in US are
more respectful towards women and more concerned about
women's rights, and that the average US woman is better off
etc. etc.

I think this feeling of theirs is really baseless. The "pro-US"ers
seem to have come to such a sweeping conclusion from  the
considerably lower incidence of sexual harassment in public places
in USA, without ever bothering to find the reason _why_ it is so.

I feel the real reason for the difference in the levels of
sexual harassment in India and the US stems from the way the
two societies have viewed man-woman relationships outside the
framework of marriage. In the US, it is normal for males and 
females to interact freely, in the form of dating or whatever. 
This has the effect of demystifying the opposite sex. There are 
also ample opportunities to indulge in pre-marital/extra-marital 
affairs. This  makes it unnecessary for the men to engage in 
eve-teasing and other such activities on such a large scale as in
India. In India, men generally do not have the opportunities that 
their American counterparts here have. That is the _only_ difference 
between the two scenarios. _Everything_ else is essentially the same. 

However, the "pro-US"ers seem to be getting too enthusiastic
with this little piece of "evidence" and are going overboard in 
their praise of the American society, even going to the extent 
of calling it "highly evolved", and are talking of India needing
to "catch up" with the US and so on.

It is understandable if the "pro-US"ers, particularly the ladies, feel 
the difference between the Indian and the American scenarios because 
there _is_ a difference. However, it has to be always borne in  
mind that unfortunately, everywhere in the world, men have no respect 
for women, and that _given the opportunity_, would _not_ hesitate to 
harass the women. Why else do you think the universities in the 
US of A have escort services for their women students ? 

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sens@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Shantanu Sen)
Subject: Sending money to India
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:36:07 GMT

I have a question regarding the convertibility of the dollar at the market 
rate. I believe that currently 40% of the amount sent is convertible at the
market rate. I sent a postal order to India some time back. It was deposited
to an account at SBI. But my parents have been told that the entire sum will be
converted at the standard rate. If that is the case then how can we avail the
advantage of 40% convertibility?

I shall be grateful if someone could throw some light in this regard.

Thanks,

Shantanu Sen
From: mkaria@HP-UX (Mihir Karia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sending money to India
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:56:11 GMT

sens@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Shantanu Sen) writes:
: I have a question regarding the convertibility of the dollar at the market 
: rate. I believe that currently 40% of the amount sent is convertible at the
:                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: market rate. 
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Shantanu Sen

I think 60 % of the amount is converted at the market rate. Pl. correct me if 
I am wrong.

- Mihir.
From: ramamurt@monteverdi.cs.unc.edu (Srikanth Ramamurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Islam and Science
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:54:36 GMT
	<1992Oct5.120014.30550@davidsys.com>
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC-Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
In-reply-to: merchant@davidsys.com's message of 5 Oct 92 20:00:13 GMT

RM : Rukshana Merchant
SR : Srikanth Ramamurthy

RM> Ruks>   The Holy Quran is for *all* of mankind and for all of time.
RM>                               ^^^^^

SR>    It is one thing to claim that a particular religion is for it's
SR>    beleivers and another to claim that it is for all of mankind. 

RM>   The question asked was why was the Qur'an given to a man who may
RM>   not be able to understand the physics, etc... The answer is that
RM>   the Holy Qur'an is not just given for one man but for all of mankind.

   I hope you realize that 'Alice in Wonderland' is meant for all of 
   mankind too, you just have to really believe in it and understand
   the  wonderful things it has to say.
   (I am leaving out  hundreds of other books which fall into the same 
   category). I hope you've read all of them and understood the things 
   that you wanted to gain from it. 

RM>   I invite you to read the Holy Qur'an for yourself and learn what it
RM>   is you would like to gain from it, for yourself.

   And maybe it is time people stopped being so patronizing.


RM> Asking such a question as why was Prophet Muhammed (SAW) given the 
RM> Holy Qur'an is the same as saying why is it a bueatiful day today.
RM>   It just is.  (Because of the blessings of ALLAH(swt) if you believe,
RM>   or Not, if you don't believe.)

   Allow me to tell you my belief. Zaphod Beeblebrox is the Ruler of
   the universe and everything else, big and small. Asking a question
   such as "How can you tell that ZB is indeed the ruler of the universe?"
   is similar to asking "Why is it a beautiful day today?". 
   IT JUST IS

-Srikanth R.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:33994 rec.music.indian.classical:1784
From: subra@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.classical
Subject: TWO FREE SPIC-MACAY CONCERTS
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:42:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14251.2add9f77


	

		****************************************

		       SPIC - MACAY   ( O.S.U. )
			    
		              presents		
	 
		        TWO    FREE   CONCERTS
		
		*****************************************


	The O.S.U. chapter of SPIC-MACAY ( Society for Promotion of Indian 
        Classical Music and Culture Amongst Youth)  presents TWO FREE 
	concerts in Columbus, Ohio.

	The venue for BOTH the concerts is 

	Battelle Memorial Auditorium
	505 King Avenue
	Columbus, Ohio

	-------------------------------------------------------------

	CONCERT # 1:

	DATE: Thursday, 22nd October , 1992 at 7.30 pm

	Indian Classical "BHARATANATYAM DANCE RECITAL" 
 	
				     BY

			     CHITRA VISWESWARAN
 		
	There will be an orchestra accompanying the artiste.

	-------------------------------------------------------------

	CONCERT # 2:

	DATE: Saturday, 24th October , 1992 at 7.30 pm

	Indian Classical "FLUTE RECITAL and LECTURE DEMONSTRATION" 
 	
				     BY

			      "T. VISHWANATHAN"  

	The artist will be accompanied by

	SRIRAM PARASURAM (violin) 
	RMANAD V RAGHAVAN (mridangam)
			 
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	--------------------------------------------------------------


	FREE PASSES for the above recital may be obtained IN ADVANCE from

	* Royal India Grocery Store - 784-1234
	* Office of Asian American Student Affairs located at the Ohio
	  Union of OSU  - 292-0625
	
	* Kapila Ratnam - 464-4560
 	* M G Sriram    - 486-7627
	* Sunil Thadani - 291-8236
	* Suresh or Deepa Subramanian - 469-8736

	If you are unable to collect the passes prior to the concerts
	you may request that they be reserved for you and collect them
	at the gate on the day of the concert.
    	
	Audience are requested to be seated by 7.15 p.m.	
	
	Inquiries may be directed to any one of the LAST 4 names
	listed above.
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: best success
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:48:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) said:
:- In article no. <sdjfhjds> skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu said:
:- >In article <1992Oct14.151018.25507@ugle.unit.no>, Thayanantha  writes:
:- >> only very tight baby hard rock low way broke
:- >> 
:- >> please do no p,.
:- >> 
:- >> Synhovedoppgave.
:- >> 
:- >> risk U' silence.
:- >> 
:- >> give me the ransom p,.
:- >> 
:- >> emeritus emirate.
:- >> 
:- >> Thayanantha 
:- >> 
:- >> 22 2.
:- >> 
:- >> apple!!!
:- >> 
:- >> milk!!
:- >> 
:- >> water!
:- >> 
:- >> smily town.
:- >> 
:- >> white snow.
:- >> 
:- >> 
:- >> i mean ever use
:- >> thayanantha be more
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ankush@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Ankush Jain)
Subject: Visa Question ( Canadian Immigrants)
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:29:21 GMT

This is for a freind, who is currently a Candian Immigrant (& an Indian citizen)
He is planning to apply for his H1 in U.S. His concerns are :

- What will happen to his Candian Immigrant status, would the Canadian 
  autorities take his immigration status back ? 

- How easily can he travel to Canada, once he gets his H1 i.e. will the 
  Canadian authorities object to his working in U.S. at that point; assuming
  they do not say anything intially ?
 ( since his wife plans to be in Canada for a while )

IF anybody out there has gone through this process; please reply directly :

ankush@sdl.scs.com


thanks

- ankush


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: manish@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Manish Chhatralia)
Subject: RE: CHAI
Originator: manish@rook
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:32:19 GMT
Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit


Hi,
    somebody requested on how to make "CHAI".  Well here goes:

    1. Add water in a pan.
    2. Add sugar, tea leaves and spices.
    3. Bring to boil and simmer for a minute or so.
    4. Add milk.
    5. Bring to boil and simmer for 3-5 minutes.
    6. Strain in a teapot/cup.

    To make chai for one person one needs:

    1 cup of water - see 1. above.
    1 teaspoon of sugar, tea leaves and 1/4 teaspoon of spices - see 2. above.
      (depending on how sweet, strong and spicy)
    1/4 cup of milk - see 4. above.
      (depending on how strong)

    NOTE: Here I have used water as a main base to make chai, equally one
          could replace water by milk to have milky chai.

    Spices generally are proportioned as follows:

    A. 1.5 inch cinnamon stick.
    B. 3-4 cardamons (with shells).
    C. 2-3 peppercorn.
    D. 2-3 cloves.
    E. 1/2 teaspoon of ginger powder.

    Grind into powder the items A-D and add E.

    In winter fresh ginger chai is very good, add 1cm2 of chopped ginger
    with the spices.  Can also add pepper at the same time to give a
    warm feeling.

    There are about 8-10 different spices grouped together to make
    masala for chai.


Good luck,
Manish.
From: ngopalas@ha02.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More about India
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:02:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama

In article <1avkvnINNr4u@overload.lbl.gov>, prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.182506.12815@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> gayathri@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy) writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct05.202736.122673@ua1ix.ua.edu>, ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
|> >Ever wondered why so many "heroes" of Indian movies start courting their 
|> >heroines by teasing them in public, running after them stupidly and giving
|> >them as much trouble as possible ? I really wonder why this is considered
|> >such a "macho" act....and why many such movies become box-office hits. Is
|> >this really part of "Indian culture", then ?
|> 
|> 	Agree with you there. This trend has been getting stronger now.
|> 	It probably started as harmless fun, such as DevAnand in JewelThief,
|> 	and then people started running out of other ideas, hence........
|> 
|> 	IMO, this kinda behaviour by the "(z)heroes" in new hindi movies
|> 	just adds to the problem. Also, the majority of the "sinayma"
|> 	watching public doesn't seem educated enough to recognize this as 
|> 	inappropriate behaviour in real life.
|> 								 
|> >Gayathri.
|> ====    prem@prem.lbl.gov   ====   Sticks and stones may break my bones,    ====

Visualize this scene, in a typical Hindi movie a "heroine" is walking down
the street, the "hero" is hanging out with some of his equally dumb cronies,
they start talking and passing comments. Heroine not amused, walks off in a 
huff, next day hero starts stalking her, she has to be "tamed", teases her,
hustles and jostles her and acts like a chimapnzee denied his banana, meetings
are held in the evenings with fellow gorillas and it is agreed that everyone
will help in taming the heroine. Whew! After this exhausting effort a "hit"
is planned the next day. Hero becomes morose when "hit" fails to work, but
evolution is at work, he grows into a baby. Armed with this infusion of 
intelligence, he sobs and cries and kicks his feet in the air, no luck, so 
"suicide ploy" is brought up, hero jumps infront of bus, train, car [replace
with your favorite vehicle here], or from 10 storeyed building [insert your
favorite number here >5] and miraculously escapes [Its those baby bones, they
don't come any better] Heroine probably decides to take in baby rather than
baby try those "suicide ploys" on her, and happy endings for everyone around,
baby gorillas see the movie, identify completely with hero and hit the streets
armed with this amazing new knowledge ready to terrorize the female population.

I am sorry I insulted the gorilla population, maybe I should skip zoos from
any of my travel plans, but then they were the closest analogies I could think
of. :-)

Nath.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:39:54 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <14872@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>In article <81047@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>>Ditto.  The idea of "cultural relativism" is peculiar to the West.  I
>>can't think of any non-Western culture which advocates this idea.
>  So what do non-Western cultures advocate? That they are superior? That
>they are inferior?

  Ack! Pht! I wondered why my replies never showed up, and so I discover that
they had gone to soc.culture.indian (which I didn't read then) only and not
to both s.c.i and soc.history:( :(

>-bertil-

-bertil-
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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 12:53:04 EDT
From: <H36LG@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: SEARCH FOR EMAIL ADDRESES

I AM IN THE PROCESS OF COLLECTING ALL THE EMAIL ADDRESSES OF NEPALESE PEOPLE LI
ING IN THIS PLANET SO PLEASE TRY TO RESPOND ME.
                      HAPPY DASHAIN
From: ASRPA@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Bus accident in Nepal
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:38:18 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University


                          Bus Accident
                          ____________

     The death toll has reached 16 in a bus accident that took
place in western  Nepal on Saturday. Seven of the people died on
the spot and eight others died while being brought to Bharatpur
hospital and  another one died in the treatment at the hospital.
The bus carrying about 100  passengers, overturned and fell down
100 feet below the mountain road.  Now 48 injured people, including
eight serious cases, are undergoing treatment at  Bharatpur
hospital while the remaining 32 injured are treated at Pokhara
hospital.  According to the national news agency rss, the bus was
carrying the passengers from Gorkha to Bhairahawa when the accident
happened.  The bus driver has been taken into custody.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: nish@whje.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha Illangasekare aka Teenage Mutant Ninja)
Subject: Re: GREETINGS!
Organization: nishantha.test
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 06:19:32 GMT

In article <92279.225823433CRQA@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 433CRQA@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Wenod Naywoar) writes:
>HAPPY VIJAYA 1992!
>              Wen
>>>>
	Oops
From: H36LG@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: LISTING OF EMAIL ADDRESSE
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:36:15 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I AM IN THE PROCESS OF COLLECTING ALL THE EMAIL ADDRESSES OF NEPALESE PEOPLE
LIVING IN THIS PLANET.
         HAPPY TIHAR
From: nish@whje.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha Illangasekare aka Teenage Mutant Ninja)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Re: GREETINGS!
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:56:30 GMT
Organization: nishantha.test

In article <Bvy1KK.G93@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> nish@whje.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha Illangasekare aka Teenage Mutant Ninja) writes:
>>>>>
>	Oops
>
	Sorry about my previous post folks.Obviously I was in the wrong
group.Once again my sincere apologies.
		Nishantha
From: H36LG@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Re: SEARCH FOR EMAIL ADDRESES
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:33:03 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

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From: wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:54:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


 I'm tring to understand present day Celtica.  I would think Sinead O'Connor's
actions would have been applauded by some.  After all, Catholics stole our re-
ligion, destroyed our way of life, and exicuted tens of thousands in order to 
spread their way.  Why let them continue taking our morals from us?
	Sorry all, just wanted to give an artist support and give one wiccan's
opinion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Speech by Martin Finucane
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:43:46 GMT

> long speech deleted

Please forgive my ignorance, but who is Martin Finucane?
,
Eamon

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: My Ugly American post for the year....
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:42:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <23462@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary
L. Newell) writes:
> Let's see, first it was
> that the British are beyond flag-waiving, nationalism (but the Falklands
> proved that premise to be a load of crap) ...
> 			gln

I think Matthew overstated the position on nationalism a little,
way back in the roots of this thread, but he did identify a genuine
difference between American and European cultures, and one which
does make Europeans (perhaps only superficially) uneasy. 

I think his mistake was to talk about nationalism, patriotism,
pride in one's country _per se_, rather than the *expression*
thereof. Plenty of Europeans are fully proud of their nationality,
fully appreciative of the uniqueness of their cultures, and so on,
but the way we talk about it is different. 

An American can say, "America is God's own country", without it
being anything but an innocuous, if naive, statement. If we
translate this statement to Britain, however, the hearer's first
reaction would be to wonder "is he in the BNP or the NF?". An
English person with the same level of pride in country as this
heuristic American is more likely to be heard enthusing about real
ale, or fine English cheeses, or complaining about Brussels banning
prawn-cocktail flavour crisps. 

The primary difference is in the type of language accepted. This
*may*, of course, have a secondary effect in modifying what people
actually think, to some extent, but that is, I would guess, very
much a secondary effect.

Brendan

Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: lynch@prl.philips.nl (B. Lynch 42262)
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:39:18 GMT

In article <23464@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> I just want to know "What is her point?" What the hell is she supposedly
>standing for? Anything? Why is the pope "the real enemy"? Does she have
>any grand view which explains any of her behavior or is she simply a
>twit trying to behave as if she has important things to say? 
>
>			gln
>
>
Could someone please put those of us who haven't had the chance to see this
programme out of our misery and tell us what she actually did ?

Brian Lynch


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett)
Subject: Re: Going to Ireland
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:55:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.210957.20408@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:

>Hi posters! I am going to Ireland for my honeymoon in June, and I would like
>to know if there are any special places to get a room, travel, see, etc. Oh,
>and what is it like eating out over there? I've travelled to England a few years
>back and ate inpubs. Is that what most of Ireland is like? The food, I mean?
>I plan on going out to the West and down through Cork as well.

>Any information on renting a car, getting a temporary driver's licence (I know
>that can be accomplished, I believe), etc. Anything you send will be appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Thanx

>Chris Dunlea
>crdunlea@rodan.syr.edu

Great places to eat in Kinsale (the gourmet capital of Ireland).  If you're 
travelling north on the N25, plan a stop at the Farm Gate in Midleton.  The 
food is excellent, and not too pricey--though everything is expensive at 
this time.
Suzanne
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