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From: gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar)
Subject: Re: Andy departs... (was Re: System 6 Launcher!)
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:09:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.171702.6709@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bb252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James L. Brookes) writes:

>I'm surprised noone has responded to this yet...
> 
>shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:
> 
>>In article <PFuyiB4w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc
>>Sira)
>>writes:
> 
>>>Good idea...next Finder, perhaps? Andy?
> 
>>While I keep close tabs on what Dave's doing to the Finder now, I no longer
>>work for IIGS System Software.  I work for Ron Lichty with the Macintosh
>>Finder Team.  I -do- contribute every now and then (like trying to get the
>>Keyboard Navigation INIT written in one night at Dave's), but I'm no longer
>>directly responsible for the Apple IIGS Finder.
> 
>Well, I suppose it was inevitable.  No less depressing / frusterating /
>saddening, but inevitable.
> 
>So, I guess the question should be - do you still plan to work on your
>non-Apple projects for the // and GS? (namely GSHK and p8 Shrinkits).
> 
>What this means, I suppose, is more work for Dave (how much can one guy, no
>matter how talanted, handle?)  Anyways, I think I speak for all GSers out
>there, thanking you for some very nice software over the years.
> 
>(geeze, just after the Achivement Awards ... this is just like "Coach of the
>Year in the NBA!! ;-)
> 
>>andy
> 
>>--
>>Andy Nicholas                   GEnie & America-Online: shrinkit
>>Apple Computer, Inc.                          InterNET: shrinkit@apple.com
> 
>Hm, looking over this post, it seems a bit disjointed.
> 
>Oh well.
>-- 
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>|           James Brookes           | Oggnet:  House of Games, User #209      |
>|``What, me worry?'' - A. E. Neuman | Usenet:  bb252@cleveland.freenet.edu    |
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SOmething I ment to add in my ealier message.  I do thank Andy for his work
for the II <although I'm not sure of his true motavations, I don't think
they were purely to help the II but for for his career>.  Also I thank him for
his honesty!!!  I bet he knew flames would come from it.  From me so far
anyway.  I don't liek Apple and some of the people there in.  <some I think
are sluting themselves for a job rather then saying they are there to help the
II>.  Can you help the II working on a Mac, I doubt it.

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From: max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler)
Subject: Re: Remapping problems (I think)
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:42:29 GMT

frank@terapin.com (Chun Li) writes:

>C.V. Technologies's address is :

>C. V. Technologies
>1800 E. Whipp Rd. suite 200
>Kettering, Oh. 45440
> 
>Their phone number is :
>call (513) 435-5743

More importantly, their FAX number is (513) 435-9554 for when you only
get the recorded message...
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From: dave@cheka.grc.calpoly.edu (David G. Hom)
Subject: PC Transporter forsale
Followup-To: dave@cheka.grc.calpoly.edu
Summary: PCT, IIgs installation kit, Intel 8087-2 forsale
Keywords: Apple II, DOS, PC, PCT, Buy me
Organization: Industrial Engineering, Cal Poly, SLO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:32:50 GMT

I have a PC Transporter with 768K, a IIgs Installation kit, and Intel 8087-2
math coprocessor forsale.  

The PCT allows you to run DOS programs from your Apple II+, IIe, or IIgs.  
The equipment is in excellent working condition and I have all the original 
boxes, documention, and software.  

Asking $195 obo for the package.
Reply via email or call Dave at 805-546-9505

dave
dave@cheka.grc.calpoly.edu

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From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Subject: Re: Copyrights.  Part3
Organization: Simulacron I
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:45:37 GMT

Thanks.  My being upset though is mainly because I don't want someone
else to get messed around like some friends of mine have.  They did
the various things like putting the (c), the copyright notice, and
even mailing a sealed envelope back to themselves.  Then they sent
their program to a company and, as far as we can tell the company stole
the idea.  A nice "Thank you but no thank you" letter was also returned.
Talking it over with a lawyer produced the "Sorry, but you don't have
an actual copyright."  This is only one of the things I've seen done
to people simply because they didn't protect themselves properly.

If you want a different type of case involving contested copyrights,
then you should check out TSR vs M.A.Barker (Commonly called MA Barker).
The old TSR (under Gygax) said they would publish Mr. Barker's book
called:The Empire of the Petal Throne.  They did - but without his
copyright notice.  This went unnoticed by Mr. Barker who, consequently,
lost his right to his own work - it went into the public domain arena.
TSR then changed a few words, re-copyrighted it, and refused to pay
Mr. Barker.  After a long, drawn-out court fight, the court found in
favor of TSR.  The story has a happy ending though.  No one would buy
EPT from TSR.  They, therefore, sold the rights to a Mr. Lou Zacci (sp?)
who was a very good friend of Mr. Barker.  Mr. Zacci sold Mr. Barker
back his book with the stipulation only that Mr. Barker repay Mr. Zacci
for the money he'd spent.  The money was to be paid from all profits
made.

So you see, getting and keeping a copyright is really important.  And that's
why I get so upset when I read these things.  I just don't want to see
anyone else be as messed around as these people were.
From: lhaider@pro-beagle.cts.com (Laer Haider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Stylewriter
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-beag.d561791
Organization: ProLine [pro-beagle]

>There is no way on a ROM 1 machine to intercept serial output
>that goes through ROM?  I wanted to make an init that would
>make a DeskJet think it was an ImageWriter II.  For those
>rare pieces of software that don't use the print manager.  Oh
>well...

The DeskJet is more flexible than the StyleWriter in handling textual
information.  I don't see why you couldn't do what you're talking about.
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From: tmplee@TIS.COM (Theodore Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GS Power Supplies
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:59:24 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Does anyone make a heavy duty GS power supply other than Applied
Engineering?  I'm on my second one in about two years and it is
showing the same symptoms as the previous one did before it died.
(Audible whine when turned on, horizontal interference bars on the
screen that increase in frequency and disappear as it warms up,
intermittent problems with booting -- sometimes hangs about under
the "l" of the "welcome", sometimes asks for the 3.5 driver.  not
all symptoms present all the time, frequently seems quite normal.)

I'd appreciate a quick answer, since I'm probably going to order
a new one today or tomorrow, since I can't wait for the warranty
repair (I never thought I'd have to budget power supplies as a 
consumable item.)

TMPLee@TIS.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: schwarts@cps3xx.cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Subject: Re: GS Moria Source Code...
Originator: schwarts@cps3xx.cps.msu.edu
Reply-To: schwarts@cps3xx.cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:04:35 GMT


Please post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: markj@xcluud.sccsi.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: Weird Problem under system 6
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:41:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.165508.1972@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.193423.16896@yang.earlham.edu> deviant@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>>
>>I've been having really weird problems recently while running System 6.
>>Every time I use Big Edit Thing (1.03b I think is the version) and close 
>>it after opening a file, my GS becomes one of the slowest machines on 
>>earth, the main menu bar becomes unusable, and command-Q does not work for 
>>shutting down.  Severly slow is the key term here.
>
>[More on BET crashing the system at times]
>
>BET will not work properly on my system. Use EgoEd. It's just as good, if
>not better and works. There are also problems with Transprog. Why not use
>IR2.0 which you can get on the Apple ftp site and QuickLaunch. These are
>Finder Extensiosns.
>
>philip
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
>
Has anyone contacted Applied Engineering about a update to the Sonic Balster
program, which nolonger records under system 6.  The cards seems to be 
digitizing but the software will not caputre it.  I can't call AE my phone has
900 blocking and they hangup on me on the 214 mac line.


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From: benson@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Paul BaJa Benson)
Subject: Window Bug Fixed?
Organization: Vanderbilt Univ., Engineering (SERG), Nashvegas, TN
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:46:12 GMT

 I was wondering if the bug for opening windows in 5.0.x has been fixed in
 6.0.  It had something to do with the color tables and if you didn't assign
 one, some window pointer would end up pointing to Brigadoon.  I know the
 code to fix the problem, but is it necessary anymore if writing a Sys6
 specific program?
-- 
  Paul 'BaJa' Benson
  Vanderbilt University - Space Electronics Research Group
  GEnie: P.Benson1     Net: benson@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
From: steve@pro-hindugods.cts.com (Steve Fenwick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 6.0 and reset key?
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:00:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr07.040028.18304
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <d561787@pro-beagle.cts.com>
lhaider@pro-beagle.cts.com (Laer Haider) writes:

>> Hmm.. Often, when System 6 locks up on me, I hit
>>control-open-apple reset and nothing happens at all. I hit it
>>15 million times - nothing. I actually have to flip ON AND OFF
>>THE COMPUTER TO GET IT WORKING AGAIN. Now, I think my power
>>supply is going to hell and that may be a part of this - but
>>this does not happen any other time than when some program
>>running under system 6 crashes. DAVE!! HELP!!! 
>
>Same thing happens to me...  I thought everyone was asking for better crash
>recovery, not a total lack of it (as far as I can tell anyway).
>                                                                      /

Yeah... tell me about it.  I thought it was one of my inits, but i guess it
happens to everyone.  This must be hell on my hard drive and all the chips,
turning it on and off like that.  I was thinking of hooking up a switch to
the reset pin on the processor, but that sounds too simple.  Anyone have any
ideas?

Steve


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From: aclark@VAXSRV1.ROYALROADS.CA ("Al Clark")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: BinSCII
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:19:55 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	Does anyone know where I could get a listing of the protocol/format of 
a BinSCII attachment?

A
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Request for User Groups and Internet Access Sites
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:33:18 GMT
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University


	I'm trying to compile a list of user groups.  For those of you
in Apple User Groups, would you please send me the following
information:

	Name of the organization
	Address
	Contact (if any)

The list will be used to promote Apple IIGS products.


	I'm also compiling a list of Internet Access sites.  I would
like to get a good distribution of sites from across the U.S.  I'll be
distributing the list to people who don't have Inet access, but would
like it.  Please send the following information:

	Name of site
	Sysop's name
	City and State
	Area code and phone number


Thanks in advanced.

Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
America On_Line:  DWS Steve
Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!
From: Benjamin.Doherty@f152.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Benjamin Doherty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Reply to Re: ShrinkIt 1.0.5 and .Z
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:40:47 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:363/152

Andy McFadden@1:363/42 writes:

AM>
AM> There are programs floating around which do this (you can probably write
AM> one in Orca/C with fopen/fread/fwrite; I think the stdio lib will do the
AM> conversion as a side-effect).  Your best bet however is to convert them
AM> at the UNIX side with "tr".
AM>

Wouldn't it be even EASIER to load the file into the ProTERM editor, and
replace every ^J with a ^M?


===
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From: gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle H. Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Sys6 and AWGS
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:52:47 GMT
Reply-To: gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle H. Gray)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1oH5iB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> slhood@bluemoon.rn.com (Stephen L. Hood) writes:
>sjordan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Jordan) writes:
>
>> I'm having the same problem.  Does anyone know WHY Appleworks cannot load
>> modules?
>
>        I have often noticed this error (under AWGS v1.1) with module 
>loading.  After playing around with the software, I am pretty much certain 
>that the problem -- at least in my case -- is a memory shortage.  These 
>problems have ceased since I updated to 4.25 Megs.
>

Ah, well, looks like another good reason not to bother getting AWGS, since I
wouldn't have enough memory to run it.  ;-)

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 20:27:05 EDT
From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Bournoulli Box on a GS?

Has anyone had any experience with hooking a Bournoulli (sp?) Box to a IIgs?
I'm not very familiar with the BB, but we have one that will connect to an
IBM or Mac simply by using different cables, and I know it isn't SCSI, so I
figure it's serial -- this make since?  Anyways -- It's a 44meg BB that I
wish to connect -- any suggestions appreciated...

 - John... (NeXT mail fine at:  jgoggan@opus.csv.cmich.edu )
           (or just use:        34II5MT@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu)
From: chang@ee.ualberta.ca (Wuichong Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Help! GS <-> IBM connection
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:04:17 GMT
Reply-To: chang@ee.ualberta.ca (Wuichong Chang)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering

Greeting Apple Gurus,
 
This is a question I guess is not in FAQ. Here it goes:
 
Q: How does one connect an GS to an IBM via the serial port? My main
   purpose is to do file transfer at 19200 baud or higher. The only
   requirement for the cable is it should be around 40 ft long and
   only require both machine to run any telecommunication software
   to do file transfer (i.e. no fancy software necessary.) Is that 
   possible?

 
Here is my current solution.
 
Connect GND from both machines
Connect RXD from IBM to GS's Transmit data (pin 3)
Connect TXD from IBM to GS's Receive data (pin 5)
 
Use XON/XOFF flow control and ignore all carrier (possible???)
 
If you have any solution, I would be happy to hear from you.

Richard Chang
Chang@ee.ualberta.ca
From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <m94siB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson) writes:
>shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:
>
>> [stuff deleted]
>
>Okay, let me explain MY position on this whole "System 6 doesn't work, so 
>I'm going to throw a fit" deal:
>
>Basicaly, I find it a little unusal to have a major upgrade of an 
>operating system (note the major) and have my system puke on it. As longas 
>I stay within GSOS and don't try to go out of it, everything works fine (I 
>fully expected some programs to break and/or act weird, since I know those 
>programs had problems before).
>
>What I have a problem with is that the upgrade should NOT have the 
>problems that it does have. In my eyes, an upgrade should fully support 
>the previous hardward and software that was in use before.

I disagree. Although it would be nice, I don't see that Apple has an
obligation to support hardware/software that breaks Apple's rules (if
they are clearly documented).
Not that RamFAST does this.

>Case in 
>point: the new controls. Yes, we have have "old" control formats, and 
>things like the Termometer control, BUT, the older software will work just 
>fine.

Old format controls were supported by Apple.

>
>Now, I understand that not everyone at Apple doesn't have a RamFast (why, 
>I don't know - I would guess pride, but I'm pessimitic), but it's just 
>very ODD that with the HiSpeed SCSI card in, it works fine (goes in and 
>out of P8 okay), but with the RamFast in, it doesn't. (no, I'm not going 
>back to the HSSCSI).
>
>Unless I'm overlooking something that isn't documented in the ERS files 
>(doubtful - I've ripped out all the desk accs, cdevs, inits, fonts, and 
>sounds), there's a flaw in the design of the generic smartport interface 
>for System 6.
>
>I -do- know that if I put in the Ramfast.Driver into System 6, it dies 
>before it gets off the ground. So obvously, that went. As did the 
>SCSI.Manager and etc - they aren't used, and System 6 DOES work as long as 
>I'm within GSOS (no problems execept as mentioned before).
>
>

My drivers folder has both the SCSI.MANAGER and the RAMFAST.DRIVER, and
everything works fine (I have RamFAST rev. C). There are others on the
net that also say everything works (insofar as RamFAST is concerned,
anyway). You're not assuming they're lying?

Btw, I don't think you're lying, either, but it bugs me that you seem to
be saying "it doesn't work with me, therefore it doesn't work with
anybody, and Apple screwed up (maybe intentionally)". This may not be
what you mean, but that's the feeling I get.



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From: paintmaster@pro-columns.cts.com (Paul Dambrauskas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Strange System Errors...
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:03:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-columns] Arlington, VA  703.237.4915

I have encountered the same error but in a totally different area. 
Recently, and for what reason I do not know, I get the same error when
trying to run a specific program.  I have no idea what's causing it or what
the error is to begin with.  If you find out, I would greatly appreciate it
if you could inform me.  Thank you.
 
                                Paul Dambrauskas
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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:34:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65146
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <00958D01.376A8820.24739@hg.uleth.ca> vokey@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>I've had numerous problems installing system 6 on both a ROM 3.0 and
>ROM 1.0 machines.  Queer problems such as a fatal system error after the finder
>was launched (on the ROM 3), and an inability to boot into the finder
>(on the ROM 1), despite setting setstart to the finder -- it always boots to
>prodos 8/basic.system, and I have to invoke the finder manually from there
>(note, it doesn't boot prodos 8, it just launches it instead of the finder).

What did the fatal error message -say-??  The message and error number
would be very helpful in diagnosing your problem.

Something sounds fishy about your START configuration--did you already
have a START program before you installed?  If it was something the
Installer did not recognize (in Easy Update, anyway), it would leave
it alone.  Since SetStart works with a special START program, that
would leave SetStart non-functional.


>[...]  The second problem I have
>yet solve, but all the problems appear to be related to the installer
>program not deleting files it should, and often failing to install other files
>that allegedly it should be installing.

WHICH FILES?


>Further, completely deleting the
>system folder before installing increased the rate of booting at least three-
>fold -- before, it would take upwards of 5 minutes to boot and launch
>the finder.

5 minutes??  What was in your System folder before?  Hundred of inits and desk
accessories?  Or maybe an AppleShare.Prep file that was trying to connect to
non-existent network disks?

>Last, as an experiment, I have installed the system numerous
>times over itself using the default "easy install".  It's never the same
>twice...

In what way is it different every time?
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