HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: DCLAYTON@URIACC.URI.EDU (David Clayton)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l
Subject: RE: Calendar Search
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:23:41 GMT
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A week or so ago I requested info on calendar and/or rolodex programs
for AIX Windows.  As promised, here's what I've got so far along
with editorial comments:

xcalendar      -  export.lcs.mit.edu     (makes w/ slight mods & works well)
calentool2.2X  -  export.lcs.mit.edu     (I had a Sunview version of this
                                          and liked it; this version is
                                          for XView and X11R4 or R5.)

xrolodex       -  export.lcs.mit.edu     (makes as shipped; works well)

Sorry, this is all I've gotten so far.  If anybody knows of others, please
post to me or this list.

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David Clayton; Academic Computing           I like the idea of a paperless
U. of Rhode Island; Kingston, RI 02881      office--as long as I can have a
Internet: dclayton@uriacc.uri.edu           printed backup.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l
Subject: Re: help
From: graeme@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz ( Graeme Moffat)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:57:07 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

"Peter C. Vernam" <pcv1584@MVS.DRAPER.COM> writes:

>yelling at you -- I was clarifying the situation for those that might
>have misinterpreted the numbers (including Mike McGlone, who, by his own
>admission, is new to AIX, the RS/6000, and UNIX; how do you expect him
>to infer the inherent differences between a High Performance Graphics
>Adapter and PEX protocol?).  If you had given the whole story I wouldn't
>have had to respond.

That's actually called the GTO adapter, it costs about as much as a
configured 320H, minus monitor. It's available as an external hi performance
graphics unit for any model RS6000, the 730 was the original, wide bodied
530 with an internal GTO.  

-- 
Graeme Moffat                g.moffat@aukuni.ac.nz \ Time wastes us all, 
Computer Aided Design Centre,  Fax: +64-9-366-0702 /  our bodies & our wits
School of Engineering,    Ph: +64-9-737-999 x8384 /  But we waste time,
University of Auckland, Private Bag, Auckland, NZ \   so time & we are quits
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:48:00 EST
From:         "Peter C. Vernam" <pcv1584@MVS.DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: help

Marcel Wijkstra AIO <wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl> whines:

>Hey, I know that! But I was asked to do this comparison by my superiors
>(although I knew I was comparing apples with pears (as we say in the
>Netherlands)), so I did it. And didn't Mike ask for this info??? It's on
>him what to do with this info.
>
>...
>...
>
>P.S. This group is called 'bit.listserv.aix-l', not 'bit.listserv.aix-l.flame'.
>I do not like the way you talk about me. Just because you are safe behind
>your screen, doesn't mean you can yell at anyone you don't know!

Look, sensitive one, if you knew that the comparison wasn't exactly fair
you should have at least mentioned it so everyone else would know too
(not everyone who reads this list knows enough of the details figure
that out for themselves).

I wasn't talking about you -- only about what you said.  And I wasn't
yelling at you -- I was clarifying the situation for those that might
have misinterpreted the numbers (including Mike McGlone, who, by his own
admission, is new to AIX, the RS/6000, and UNIX; how do you expect him
to infer the inherent differences between a High Performance Graphics
Adapter and PEX protocol?).  If you had given the whole story I wouldn't
have had to respond.


Peter Vernam                              Email: vernam@draper.com
Draper Laboratory, Inc.                   Voice: 617-258-2735
555 Technology Square                     Fax:   617-258-2705
Cambridge, MA 02139
From: brett@WG.WAII.COM (Marc Brett)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l
Subject: Remove ghazi@uhura.wg.waii.com
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:30:42 GMT
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Please remove  ghazi@uhura.wg.waii.com  (or ghazi@wg.waii.com)
from the AIX-L mailing list.

-- Marc Brett, WGC
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Organization: Universite de Bourgogne, Centre de Calcul, France
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:10:32 EST
From:         Jean Christophe Basaille <BASAILLE@FRCCUB11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Non-root shutdown
              21 Sep 1992 08:47:22 PST from <DCR@OAK.HIS.UCSF.EDU>

On Mon, 21 Sep 1992 08:47:22 PST David Ramil said:
>
>You can also try "sudo" which allows persons in a list defined by you,
>perform root commands, you can specify a single command or all commands.
>They use there own password for verification, and this also keeps a log
>of what command was used and the user.  Syntax: sudo cmd
>
>Available at this node, login in as anonymous, in /pub/sudo_dir
>
>See ya

Well, I tried to ftp oak.his.ucsf.edu, but login anonymous is rejected
(I tried my email address for the password, and used bitnet-ftp gateway
at Princeton since I'm not yet on internet).

So please, where can one get sudo from anonymous ftp ?
Thanks

Jean Christophe BASAILLE
Universite de Bourgogne, France
Centre de Calcul
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c370-l
Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:12:00 PDT
From:         "Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 (310)" <CSP1DWD@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Had any success Pre-initializing C/370?

I am using the so-called "System Exit" option to program things like
ISPF's EDIF/BRIF exit routines... the sample below sketches the READ
exit. Upon entry to 'brifrd' a C/370 execution environment is started.
By default this environement includes the C/370 library, this may be
eliminated by coding the 'nolib' parm in the #pragma environment stmt.

-- Denis

---------------------------------------------------------------------

#pragma environment(brifrd,nolib)

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <spc.h>

#define READ_PARMS struct _rdparms
READ_PARMS
   {
   char **dataptr;
   int  *lenptr;
   int  *recnoptr;
   void *dialog_data_ptr;
   };

/*
 * BRIF `read' RTN
 */
int brifrd()
{
 READ_PARMS *pp;
 char **display;

 /* Parameter list in R1 */
 pp = (READ_PARMS *)edcxregs(1);

 /* Table passed from TST pgm */
 display = *(char ***)pp->dialog_data_ptr;

 . . .

}
From: mgb@csn.org (Michael Barton)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c370-l
Subject: Had any success Pre-initializing C/370?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:39:43 GMT
Followup-To: bit.listserv.c370-l
Organization: csn.org

I am trying to control the initialization and termination of the 
C/370 execution environment.

I have followed the instructions in the programming guide, but the
diagrams and the sample code don't jive.  I have coded up both forms
and both result in abends.

Had any luck?

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From: LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET (Leonard D Woren)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c370-l
Subject: Re: obtaining userid (8 bytes)
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:12:00 GMT
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On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:55:26 GMT,
   "(Kurt Carlson)" <sxkac@ORCA.ALASKA.EDU> said:
> We use 8 byte userids in batch (ACF2).

Because of the ASXBUSER limitation that you discovered, this is
probably not a good idea.

> SMF writes the full 8 bytes using the JCTUSEID field

That's technically not the userid, rather it is an 8 character field
for installation use.  ACF2, with some option set, puts the logonid in
that field.

>   What field should be used to obtain the userid?

ASXBUSER!  But in your case, you'll have to get it from ACEEUSRI.  See
SYS1.MACLIB(IHAACEE).  Current releases of ACF2, at least with SAF
enabled, build an ACEE.

/Leonard
From: mgb@teal.csn.org (Michael G. Barton)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c370-l
Subject: Re: Had any success Pre-initializing C/370?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:17:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

Bill,

Your experience with FORTRAN<->C/370<->X parallels mine.  What I am looking
for, however, is a way to programatically control the initialization and
termination of C, rather than using the 'C call from the FORTRAN main'
method.

The reason is that our fortran main program dynamically loads one of a 
number of blocks of code, depending on what our output device is (using
the OS LOAD macro).  In this scenario, there are really 'two' C/370
contexts - the one surrounding the fortran main, and the one surrounding
the LOADed code.  Initializing the C/370 environment in one context 
does nothing for the other.

C/370 handles termination by modifying the savearea chain during
initialization, so that upon return to the caller's caller, some C/370
code gets invoked which takes-down the C/370 environment.  This is why
calling a dummy C routine from the FORTRAN main works when everything is 
linked together - one C/370 environment is created once, and taken-down
when your fortran main exits.

This mechanism still works, even if you don't call a dummy C routine
from the fortran main, it's just that as your program works it's way
up and down the subroutine hierarchy (with C/370 routines at the bottom)
you are constantly creating and destroying the C/370 environment - 
a severe performance problem.

The real problem is that if the C/370 routines are in turn calling
X. X doesn't appreciate the C/370 environment being re-initialized
everytime he is called - resulting in abends.

So, I need to create a C/370 environment once at my command, and terminate
it without the fortran main being involved in the process. I know C/370
has some provision for 'Pre-initializing' the C/370 environment from
assembler, but I can't get it to work - it ABENDS.  I need some help
getting that piece to work.

Michael Barton
From: CSYSMAS@UCLAMVS.BITNET (Michael Stein)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c370-l
Subject: Had any success Pre-initializing C/370?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:26:00 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

> I am trying to control the initialization and termination of the
> C/370 execution environment.
>
> I have followed the instructions in the programming guide, but the
> diagrams and the sample code don't jive.  I have coded up both forms
> and both result in abends.
>
> Had any luck?

The C/370 manuals say when to use things but not what they
actually do so it's impossible to figure out WHY...

This also makes combinations of the options produce unknown
results too.

They also throw around terms like "system exit routine".  Is that
like SMF exit IEFU84 which isn't entered in TASK mode?  Ha!

Anyway, I've had some luck, well, not luck, I asked IBM.

I'm currently using the C compiler NOSTART option along
with the EDCXSTRX initialization path (and linking with SEDCSPC).

I'd be interested in what you tried and what happened (and what
you are trying to do...)

Here's an overview of what I tried to start with:

#  I'm trying to do some MVS systems programming using C/370.
#  Eventually I want the C code to run in MVS SRB mode, probably
#  holding MVS locks etc.
#
#  I have an assembly program which switches to supervisor mode,
#  changes key to key 4 (a system key) and then tries to call a C
#  "main" function.  In this state (key 4, supervisor) a "normal"
#  getmain call from subpool zero will result in an 0C4 due to the
#  key mismatch (storage is in key 0, pgm is key 4).  Also (E)SPIE
#  macros result in abend S46D-18.  These are a good (initial)
#  tests of the possibility of running in SRB mode (*NO* SVC's may
#  be issued then).
#
#  I've read the "systems programming enviroment" section and tried
#  the following:
#
#   #pragma environment(main,nolib)
#   #pragma runopts(nospie)
#
#   EDCXSTRX - I supplied a parm list of (my parm R1 value,
#              @ ISA area, @ heap area, 0)
#              I found that C does one getmain, so I supplied a
#              EDCXGET/@@XGET routine which got the storage from SP 230
#              (caller key thus key 4 storage).  Why is this getmain
#              being issued?
#
#     EDCXSTRL - abended S46D-18 (ESPIE in invalid mode) even though
#                I have #pragma runopts(nospie) specified.
#
#     EDCXSTRT - seems to work, I see TWO calls to EDCXGET/@@XGET.
#                However, now EDCXREGS doesn't seem to work
#                (EDCXREGS worked for my orig EDCXSTRX version).
#                EDCXREGS is returning someone elses R1 value,
#                not the one I passed to EDCXSTRT.  I looked at
#                area pointed to by TCA+4 and it appears that the
#                R14 slot points to EDCXSTRT+12A6, R15 slot to
#                EDCXSTRT+106A.  Any ideas?

What I got from IBM was to remove the #pragma environment,
somehow it conflicts with the use of EDCXSTRX.  They also
recommended using the NOSTART compiler option.  The problems with
EDCXREGS don't really exist, EDCXREGS uses the registers of
EDCXSTRX's caller (ie: yours)!
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
Subject: Re: Butt Plugs
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:29:15 GMT
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Comments: To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
              14 Oct 1992 17:59:59 -0600 from <harwell@BANDW.PANAM.EDU>

On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:59:59 -0600 Bandwidth Pig said:
>John bet me that Dan Lester would be the first to respond to my query. I
>counter-bet that it would be anyone from the node *.netcom.com. Dan
>technically got a reply in first, but Karsten was the first to use the word
>"buttplug" in his post, whereupon John ceded the wager to me.
>
   Well, shit....that's what i get for being 300 msgs behind on mail.
i always sort it by sender, so wordsl stuff comes at the end...and i
always pick off the private stuff, especially if its from an id
like gaill or ap290, which sort at the VERY beginning of the list...

so, ruth gewts private mail....and so does gail....and i get to list mail
when i can.

of course sometimes, like now, i sort by subject line and pick off a
whole thread that is interesting, like this one.

And, NO, have not ever used one, either actively or passively, though
have seen many in porno shops, catalogs, etc.
And, YES, if I had used one I wouldn't be ashamed or anything to say so....

dan
From: TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Blue eyes cryin' in the rain)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
Subject: Re: Let's pretend
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:38:00 GMT
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>>  Take the rest of your birthday off.  Ice down a case of Iron City
>>(longnecks of course).  Start playing through the complete works of
>>Bob Dylan, turning up your favorites to raising-the-dead volume.  (Let
>>me hear "Quinn the Eskimo" all the way down here!)  Plan the rest of
>>your tax year.  Run the figures once with all clambake expenses
>>deducted as a professional-development outlay.

>This is a smart man.  In fact, this idea is so smart that I'm tempted
>to drive over to Newark Airport, get on the first UselessAir flight
>to Pittsburgh, and ask you to ice down TWO cases....

>Ken

	C'mon down, Ken.  You too, Brad.  Give me the word and I'm *there*.
	I'd even 'Pump an Arn' or six for this one...

	If you thought 'Quinn the Eskimo' (on the Basement Tapes, right?) was
	loud, wait till I crank up 'Like a Rolling Stone,' 'Ballad of a Thin
	Man,' 'Queen Jane Approximately,' 'It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a
	Train to Cry,' and the rest of 'Highway 61 Revisited.'  Oh, and
	'Maggie's Farm' too.

	Almost makes me want to call up the cable company to see if they're
	carrying the Dylan tribute.  Johnny Cash sang a Dylan song, wonderfully
	of course, on Letterman last night.

[Thanks for the greetings, folks.  It looks marginally less bleak.]
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                    "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:03:00 EDT
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: The <Award>
Comments: To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

> On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:30:54 EDT Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
> >So, Rashmi, Natalie... Yours got red velvet also?
> >
> Will all of you hotshot special eastern females please let us lame
> western males know what the hell these damn things are?  Doubt that we
> would get into any coveting, but.....
                    ^^^^^^^^^^
> curious.....
>
> dan

Yeah, well you just wait and see if you start coveting like you
never coveted your neighbor's wife.  These are *major* prizes....
they are definitely to be <coveted> in a very biblical way.
--ggs (*selector* of FF Awards...)
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:33:21 EDT
From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Missed the boat (was Webster's on line)
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Have I paid my debt

Yes indeed, thank you
Marilyn
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:13:49 EDT
From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Good News from Adam
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
              Wasteland" at Oct 10, 92 6:02 pm

Yeaah!!  Adam, you got that job.  This is wonderful news!!  Congratulations.
Hope to see you on words-l real soon.

rashmi
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:20:32 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Human Communications Research (and Debate)
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

> That is, they can be Words-L.  What this means is that one *can* learn
> social skills on the net, much as one does FTF.  The implication is, of
> course, that, as anyone who was at the clambake knows, net relationships
> are real ones.

Thanks for the explanation, Karen.  Needless to say, I agree with what
the article showed.  No way will anybody ever convince me that net
relationships are not real.

On a different subject, why do I keep picture Mousketeer ears on Perot's
head?  I'm watching the debate right now.  Btw, I trust that you all
realize that double modals are standard in Southern U.S. English.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:49:04 BST
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Psychiatric abuse
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

Thought you might be interested in this.  You may remember me telling
you some time ago how most satanic abuse (& UFO abduction victim) stories
were actually planted in insecure people by 'psychiatrists' with an axe
to grind (ie loony fundamentalist xtians)...  well, here's an absolutely
classic example of it from another group I follow...

---
Article 7703 of sci.psychology:
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,talk.religion.misc
From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Presidential politics
Organization: Karsten's Bit Bucket
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:18:32 GMT

harwell@BANDW.PANAM.EDU (Bandwidth Pig) writes:
> I flunked out of Hamburger University.

Couldn't handle the gut courses?

--karsten

(All of the professors spoke like the Hamburglar?)
From: EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
Subject: Re: Presidential politics
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:25:11 GMT
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Posted on 13 Oct 1992 at 14:23:34 by Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)
>George Bush had plenty of encounters with other civilizations
>courtesy of Uncle Sam during the middle 1940s, didn't he?  If
>memory serves, a distinguished member of another civilization
>shot his plane down.

Was he there on his own for a significant length of time?  I think not.

Karen
who agrees w/ Neal's assessment of computer-appreciation by the candidates.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:31:26 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Respite from the Kiddies
Comments: To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>
              07 Oct 92 05:20:34 -0400. <9210070922.AA21212@sics.se>

  >_Jailed_, Torkel?
  >*Whatever* for?
  >-Causing riots on e-lists with your .gif?

  Haha. I am beginning to detest that .gif. No, but you may be able to
guess what I was jailed for if I tell you that I did three short separate
stints, amounting to 5 months in all.

 >-*NOT* taking me to Spain?

  You're welcome to take my place in the group! There are 22 people, and
not a girl among them. We won't be going to Barcelona, but those
interested will check out the World Expo, on its very last day.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:27:33 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Double modals
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

Last night during the debate, Natalie reminded us that double modals are
standard in Southern U.S. English.  What is a double modal?  A construction
like "we might ought to" or "we may should have"?  Which candidate used
them?

brad
From: tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
Subject: Re: "Grow" the economy?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:32:04 GMT
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>Clinton just spent a few minutes talking about 'growing' the economy.
>Does this sound weird only to me?

Is it true that Clinton talked about "transmuting good values" when
talking about The Family (in the first debate)? Is it just me who heard
it like that, or is this old hat by now?

He's going to lose a vote if he talks like that. On top of calling
southern accents funny, that too ...

tushar
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From: MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Michael E. Macmillan)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
Subject: Re: "Grow" the economy?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:18:00 GMT
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>>Clinton just spent a few minutes talking about 'growing' the
>>economy. Does this sound weird only to me?

>It is a strange way to use the verb, one that has also been
>spreading through the computer networking world. But how about Bush
>saying "you can't *grow down* the deficit by raising taxes" ? That's
>really weird.
>
>-abh

This reminds me of another nonsensical expression that was current
in Washington when there was much discussion of, I think, arms
reductions: "build down."

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
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