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From: jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries)
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Prayer in Public Schools
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:03:36 GMT

In <1992Nov4.173322.2104@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:



>                       HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer

>               Bush, Reagan, and a LOT of SELF-RIGHTEOUS fundamentalist 
>          "Christians" want to RE-IMPOSE prayer into the public 
>          schools, as well as in certain government ceremonies, etc.. 

I haven't been keeping up on this topic, but the impression I have about 
school prayer (as it's being tossed around now) is that it would be voluntary,
and not required of anyone.  In other words, an atheist, for example, would
not be required to pray.  

>               But what did Jesus Christ HIMSELF say about people who 
>          pray in public?  In Matthew 6:5 he called them HYPOCRITES!  
>          
I would like to say that He really say this.  It was because the people He was 
talking about were doing their prayer and fasting so that * everybody * would 
know about it.  They were showing off about how " religious " they were, and 
they weren't really doing whatever they were doing to worship God.  

>               He said in the next verse that people should pray 
>          SILENTLY IN THEIR CLOSETS, in other words, IN PRIVATE.  (Or 
>          if in public, they should do it IN THEIR HEADS, withOUT the 
>          SHOWY bowed head and folded hands.) 

See above.

>               Parents who want their kids to openly and verbally pray 
>          in school can send them to PAROCHIAL schools, as well as to 
>          Sunday school, withOUT forcing it on others. 

Well, if I had kids (and I don't), I would seriously consider sending them to 
1) a private school, or 2) a public school that does not require the services 
of a police liason (excuse the spelling, I am at work and I don't have a 
dictionary handy), given my experience in a large, public school that did 
need the aforementioned services.  BTW, I went to school in Waterloo, Iowa, 
a city of about 60,000 people.  The year after I left (I think), the police 
department began supplying a permanent police liason to the high school I had 
attended.

I can see a valid point here...at public ceremonies there would be a potential
problem with prayer being offered.  There have been numerous solutions to this
problem, but the one that (sadly, IMHO) seems to work the best is to offer no
prayers at all...whether they are Christian, Islamic, Jewish, etc.

>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 

I have left all of the material from the original post intact.  

>                                   Robert E. McElwaine
-- 
Anthony Glen Jeffries N0NRO  ><>   Amazing Grace, How Sweet The Sound!   ><>
Journalism and Mass Communication student  Iowa State University  Ames, IA
"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to 
save the world through Him." John 3:17 (NIV)
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From: dhall@trentu.ca (Derek Hall)
Subject: Re: INFO - Trilateral Commission Members (Prodigy Repost)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.035603.19209@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes...
> 
>What exactly is the Trilateral Commission??
> 
>Both President Bush and President-elect Bill Clinton appear on the member
>list.

You might want to check out a book by Stephen Gill, _American Hegemony and 
the Trilateral Commission_ -- it's an excellent work and a good 
introduction to the Commission.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Summary: Old Soviet joke
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:39:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.195912.18668@bnr.ca>, samscott@bnr.ca (Sam Scott) writes:
> In article <83330@ut-emx.uucp>, wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester) writes:
> |> You plan to kill the President and you broadcast it to the net?!
> |> 
> |> You had better be joking, friend. Else, you won't have a hope of success.
> |> 
> |> Either way, you've probably been put on the Secret Service's list of 
> |> potential threats and allready have a file on you started by now. You
> |> probably would be low priority so you don't have to worry about bugs and
> |> survelliance, etc. Small comfort.
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 
> 
> Of course he's joking, you idiot.  Ever heard of Alexander Swift?
> 

Of course he is, and in a paraphrase of an old Soviet joke -
"... and Swift has already confessed."

marc colten

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From: Norman.Miller@launchpad.unc.edu (Norman Miller)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:54:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.085727.24784@mic.ucla.edu> rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush ) writes:

>Next, he'll appoint Rodney King to replace Kemp as Secretary of Housing
>and Urban Development.
>
>I wonder what job he has waiting for Willie Horton.  Drug Czar?
>
>Then, he'll make a new position to head "The Department of Liberal
>American Values to Force into Everyone's Home" and give that position
>to Madonna.
>
>He'll appoint Magic (uh, my shoe size is larger than my IQ) Johnson to
>head the AIDS committe that he wimped out of earlier before even trying
>to do anything there.
>
>I'll give you one guess as to the next Attorney General.  Her initials 
>are H.C.
>
>These are going to be a very entertaining four years.

Yes indeed, 4 wonderful years of Brian Rush and assorted meatheads
making fools of themselves.

Norman Miller
nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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From: bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger)
Subject: Re: Predictions after a Clinton victory
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 23:37:19 GMT

In article <farenebt.720895158@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy")) writes:
>I still
>think we should dump the electoral college. It puts too much
>emphasis on a few large states. California, NY and Texas matter,
>RI, Hawaii and Montana do not. All someone has to worry about is a
>small win in the big states and not worry about the small states
>at all. National popularity doesn't matter, it's having popularity
>in the right places.

Aaargh, this is *COMPLETELY WRONG!!!!!  In fact, the small states have *more*
weight with the electoral college as it is set up, because they get electors
based on the number of both senators *and* representatives.  The greater the
population of a state, the less important the two electors based on the 
senators becomes.  If we went with strict popular vote, RI, Hawaii, and 
Montanta would propably end up getting *less* attention.

-Bob
From: aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: 50 WOMEN U.S. SENATORS !
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:08:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu says:

>                          50 WOMEN U.S. SENATORS !
>               In a philosophy class here at UW-EC last fall (1991),
>          Dr. Bruce Jannusch suggested the idea of a Constitutional
>          Amendment REQUIRING one male AND ONE FEMALE U.S. Senator
>          from each State.
>               WHY DON'T YOU WOMEN GO FOR IT?!
>                                   Robert E. McElwaine
>          P.S.: Pass this on.

Oh this is a great idea, but may I suggest we go one step further. Let's have
one BLACK heterosexual male, one BLACK heterosexual handicapped male,
one BLACK homosexual male, one BLACK homosexual handicapped male,
one HISPANIC heterosexual male, one HISPANIC heterosexual handicapped male,
one HISPANIC homosexual male, one HISPANIC homosexual handicapped male,
one ASIAN heterosexual male, one ASIAN heterosexual handicapped male,
one ASIAN homosexual male, one ASIAN homosexual handicapped male,
ne BLACK heterosexual female, one BLACK heterosexual handicapped female,
one BLACK homosexual female, one BLACK homosexual handicapped female,
one HISPANIC heterosexual female, one HISPANIC heterosexual handicapped female,
one HISPANIC homosexual female, one HISPANIC homosexual handicapped female,
one ASIAN heterosexual female, one ASIAN heterosexual handicapped female,
one ASIAN homosexual female, one ASIAN homosexual handicapped female,
[A[A
..oh yeah, let's have a rabbi and a white guy too.

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger)
Subject: Re: Predictions after a Clinton victory
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 23:49:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.202341.23359@cbfsb.cb.att.com> colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:
>
>I agree completely - if you get the most votes you win.  The idea
>that you win the "states" is an anachronism. 
>
Why?  The electoral college ends up making both popular vote and wide
geographic support important to win.  Otherwise, the winner will be
determined basically by the cities.  I think it's a nice compromise.

I also think it is about time they divide up some of the bigger states 
into a number of smaller ones.

-Bob


Xref: sparky alt.activism:18586 talk.politics.drugs:7428
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:31:21 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1dojhnINN8nj@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
...
>>will seem to have been strong by comparison.  I just hope he doesn't
>>so damage the country that it takes another 12 years to undo it.
> 
> In case nobody has noticed, this is NOT 1976, it's 1932!
> 
> Whoops.  Did I say 1932 again?  I mean 1992.
> 
> Darn I don't know what's come over me.  I get this weird eerie feeling of
> deja vu, like we've been through all this stuff of the past decade and a half
> 60 years before.

	The same confusion must be the reason you voted for Clinton, then. 
1992 is a lot like 1976, only the economy is in better shape.

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: INFO - Trilateral Commission Members (Prodigy Repost)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:32:47 GMT

In article <1di9tkINN1ak@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.035603.19209@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>
>>What exactly is the Trilateral Commission??
>>
>>Both President Bush and President-elect Bill Clinton appear on the member
>>list.
>
>It's a Rockefeller-founded thinktank for policy issues.  All the scumbags
>who have been our presidents in the last few years (with a couple
>exceptions, I think) have been members.
>
I was wondering about this because references to the Trilateral Commission
are made in many of the conspiracy stories posted on the net.

Simon
From: guy@coos.dartmouth.edu (Guy Schiavone)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Environmentalism is not Anti-Individualism
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:53:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:

>In article <3914@eastman.UUCP> tilley@kodak.com (Dave Tilley) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct28.024211.2058@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>>|> In article <2082@sousa.ltn.dec.com> gentile@bcse.enet.dec.com (My name is Sam Gentile) writes:
>>|> >The above person has already pointed out that the truth about this but
>>|> >we humans are not the only ones here and we have NOT been given 
>>|> >the right to be over all that is. We are all connected. It is all one web
>>|> >of life.
>>|> 
>>|> #ifdef SARCASM
>>|> I maintain that there are actually two webs of life.  Prove me wrong.
>>|> #endif
>>|> 
>>|> The above is a religious position, and as such, should not be used as a basis
>>|> for any sort of policy.  Just because the religion is not of Middle-Eastern
>>|> descent doesn't make that suddenly right--it's still on the same level as
>>|> banning abortions or mandating creationism for religious reasons.
>>|> -- 
>>|> Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
>>|>      INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
>>
>>True enough. It's religion. And as a religion, I like it a bit better than most.
>>
>>However, the idea that there is interrelation between things in this world
>>has some basis in truth I think.
>>
>>If I tear down the houses where you live and burn it all for heat in
>>my house, it effects you.
>>
>>Dave	
>	Yes, but if you tear down YOUR house and burn it all for heat that is
>YOUR business.

Unless the smoke from your burning house hurts my eyes and chokes my children.
Unless the sparks from your burning house cause my house to burn down, too.
Then it is also MY business.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d
From: mjsst@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (mark.j.schiff)
Subject: SmokeFree Air - Fall 1992
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:12:03 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: tobacoo smokefree

Taken from:

SmokeFree Educational Services, Inc.
375 South End Ave., Suite 32F
New York, N.Y. 10280-1085
1-212-912-0960

Statement from Governor Bill Clinton to SmokeFree Educational Services

As Governor of Arkansas, I have played an active role in tobacco-related
issues.  I signed legislation making it illegal to place tobacco vending
machines in public places accessible to people under 18.  I vetoed a
"smokers' rights" bill which I believe is inappropriate.  Smoking is an
acquired behavior and given the overwhelming evidence of the toll it
takes every year in disease and death, it should not be accorded legal
protection like those who have been wrongly discriminateded against
because of race, sex, age or physcial handicap.

In Arkansas, we have raised the tax on tobacco on maoe than one occasion
and used the revenue to help finance education.

As President, I would be willing to talk with other nations about
banning smoking on international commercial passenger airline fights.
A Clinton Administration would consider any new scientific evidence
about tobacco addiction that would merit strengthening existing warn-
ing labels or placing new warning labels on packaging and advertisements

I personally am not and have never been a smoker.

SmokeFree Air Fall 1992

**************************************************************
Mark Schiff
floyd!mjs
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.save.the.earth
From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Subject: TRADE NEWS:MAQUILADORAS DON'T FOLLOW REGULATIONS 
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:13:24 GMT


    MAQUILADORAS DON'T FOLLOW REGULATIONS  
    Of six majority U.S. - owned maquiladoras surveyed by the U.S.  
    General Accounting Office (GAO),  none had done Environmental  
    Impact Assessments (EIA's).  EAI's are required by  Mexican  
    law.  Some plants had  also been allowed to start operating  
    before it was issued an operating permit. 

[....]


TRADE NEWS BULLETIN 
Monday, November 2, 1992 

[....]
[....]

[posted to misc.activism.progressive]
From: aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: AF/ATS: LA rioter sentenced to 19 years!!!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:23:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


19 years for tossing a molotov cocktail into a 7-11 store...
that's pretty lenient... I wonder what you'd think if your
daughter was in that store shopping?
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (Autonome Forum)
Subject: AF/ATS: LA rioter sentenced to 19 years!!!
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:41:03 GMT

subject: LA rioter sentenced to 19 years!!
posted by: AF/ATS
--

Donald Coleman was recently sentenced to 19 years and 8 months (!) in
prison for tossing a molotov cocktail into a 7-Eleven store on April
30, the second night of rioting in Los Angeles. Coleman was sentenced
by Superior Judge Nancy Brown who is obviously a racist, sadistic,
piece of shit fascist. (Sorry for the anger, but this is simply
ridiculous!!)

Coleman was the first of nearly 8,000 people arrested during the LA riots
to be sentenced.

--
                     Autonome Forum: aforum@moose.uvm.edu
                          "Solidarity is a Weapon!"
--

Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.195912.18668@bnr.ca> samscott@bnr.ca (Sam Scott) writes:
>
>Of course he's joking, you idiot.  Ever heard of Alexander Swift?
>

Is he related to Jonathan Swift, author of _A Modest Propsal_?

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Summary: 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.231148.6170@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>, kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)            writes...
>markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:
> 
>>In case nobody has noticed, this is NOT 1976, it's 1932!
> 
>Really, were you alive back in 1932? 
>If not, how would you know what it was like in 1932?
>My grandparents seem to think that things are a whole lot better today then
>they were in 1932, Clinton propaganda nonwithstanding.
> 
I've posted this before and got laughed at, but I'll post it again with
my flame suit on.
 Before my grandmother died two years ago I asked her what it was like
in the Depression. And she told me, in all seriousness, that it is worse
now then it was then. She went on to explain that some of the reasons it
is worse are different, but she would rather live through the Depression
again rather than what it is like now. (BTW, my grandmother was flat broke
during the Depression.)

>MD
>--  Michael P. Deignan                    
Newsgroups: alt.activism,misc.activism.progressive,alt.drugs.usenet
From: norml@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Robert G Halvorson)
Subject: Hello from WWU/NORML
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Summary: Drug Policy Reform Organizations connectiveness
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:15:14 GMT

Hello World!

I would like to take this opportunity to find out if there are any members
of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, the Cannabis
Action Network, the Business Alliance for Commerce in Hemp or any other
organizations involved in developing the industrial usage of hemp in the US,
and/or making use of the technology in other countries.

Here in America, it's use was outlawed by a gang of "good ole boys" that
were afraid of losing their profits.  Heading up this group was DuPont, who
was looking forward to all the tonnage _his_ trains would lose if hemp were
processed for paper, since it doesn't require near as many chemicals as
are required for pulp.  (see The Emperor Wears No Clothes, by Jack Herer,
page 22)

I would like to be able to put this medium to work for our efforts.  If you
would be so kind as to respond to this message with a little info about your
group, such as where you are and how you are using this medium in your
efforts, I would appreciate it.  I think I would almost prefer e-mail to
norml@henson.cc.wwu.edu, but posting to this newsgroup would work also. 

(I guess it is time for me to create a .signature file.) :-)

Thank you for your time.

Wayne Smith for WWU/NORML
From: dobrien@sybase.com (Dave O'Brien)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent"
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:09:48 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

I just saw "Manufacturing Consent", the documentary on Noam Chomsky and
his view of the media.
Anyone else see this? What did you think? I'd like to hear some opinions
on it.

My two cents worth:
- excellent overview of Chomsky's brand of activism
- lots of good interview footage (esp. when he squares off against
Buckley on Firing Line)
- good use of TVs (showing Chomsky talking about sports while displayed
on a stadium TV, etc.)
- honest inclusion of the neo-Nazi controversy that Chomsky got tangled
up in
- a bit too much lionizing of the man himself (which they tried to play
down at the end)
- manipulative use of background music (swelling soundtrack at critical
emotional moments, etc.)
  - better to do a documentary without any mood-altering music, IMHO.

Good stuff on balance. Anyone else see it?
From: weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Environmentalism is not Anti-Individualism
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:12:17 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <3914@eastman.UUCP> tilley@kodak.com (Dave Tilley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct28.024211.2058@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>|> In article <2082@sousa.ltn.dec.com> gentile@bcse.enet.dec.com (My name is Sam Gentile) writes:
>|> >The above person has already pointed out that the truth about this but
>|> >we humans are not the only ones here and we have NOT been given 
>|> >the right to be over all that is. We are all connected. It is all one web
>|> >of life.
>|> 
>|> #ifdef SARCASM
>|> I maintain that there are actually two webs of life.  Prove me wrong.
>|> #endif
>|> 
>|> The above is a religious position, and as such, should not be used as a basis
>|> for any sort of policy.  Just because the religion is not of Middle-Eastern
>|> descent doesn't make that suddenly right--it's still on the same level as
>|> banning abortions or mandating creationism for religious reasons.
>|> -- 
>|> Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
>|>      INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
>
>True enough. It's religion. And as a religion, I like it a bit better than most.
>
>However, the idea that there is interrelation between things in this world
>has some basis in truth I think.
>
>If I tear down the houses where you live and burn it all for heat in
>my house, it effects you.
>
>Dave	
	Yes, but if you tear down YOUR house and burn it all for heat that is
YOUR business.

William Everett
Newsgroups: alt.activism