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From: nishio@ntttsd.ntt.jp
Subject: Re: spell and shapeshifter 
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:53:16 GMT

Thank you for your comments, Jim and Colin.
I'll suggest my player to create "living forces" version of the spell.
I'm now considering which method is the better,
"result carry over" or "effect total carry over".

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From: Telestro ip Wandrun <"scotty: :baileyt"@kirk.msoe.edu>
Subject: RE: shatterzone questions
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:08:49 GMT

Burton Choinski spake:

 > As an off note, I think that potential GM's of Shatterzone should tape and/or
 > watch all the episodes of "Space Rangers"...seems as close as I can figure. 
 > :)
 >      -- Burton

You're kidding, right?  Actually *record* Space Rangers so you can watch it 
again and again?  :)

If you want *really* cool SF, watch Deep Space 9 or wait for Babylon 5 in late 
February.

I suppose that Space Rangers would be the closest to Shatterzone, though...

-Tim Bailey
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: Random Stuff and Strangeness
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:08:47 GMT

On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 SHERIS@EARLHAM.BITNET wrote:

> I asked some of these questions to Kansas Jim, but he didn't elaborate on
> his answers, and I was wondering if anyone had differing opinions:

Wow!  You mean we gurus in training get a shot at this one?  Holy Sh*t,
Batman!

[non-combat Perserverance Checks...]

> 			taking cards, for example, is useless, because
> in noncombat, new cards are recieved as soon as ones are used/lost!  

What?  This surprises me...  Cards are replenished at the ends of scenes. 
Cards lost or spent during the scene are gone.  They do not reappear
until (and unless) the character survives the whole scene.

>									As is
> the roll again--there is nothing there to use it.  Marking for death...well,
> yeah, but it doesn't seem right...

Here again, stymies with fear, setbacks from fear, and marks of death all
last the whole scene, or until the affected character makes an individual
perserverence check.

The big question still seems to me, "Prithee, whence the Fear Points?" 
This also follows from the fact that SK Occult events trigger pers.
checks, again without an apparent source of Fear Points.  

My solution is this:  if the event is minor, such as your dead body, give
everyone a 'Stymied with Fear' condition, or take away one card.  If it is
a majorly distressing event that causes the failed check, use two fear
points -- setbacks, remove two cards, one card + stymie, or, if combat is
to take place later in the scene, Mark for Death. 

[Akashan question]

I don't know nuthin bout no steenkin space gods.  Actually, my Ravagon
knows they taste good, but that's about it.  :)

CJW

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From: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: National Near Now News Network Presents...
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:34:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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"Hey sports fans, this is the voice of Radio Free America
transmitting the top news to each and every one of you
true-believers every single hour of every single day!

Boy, have we got a heated contest for the Superbowl this
year, folks.  Of course, in light of recent... events, most of
the NFL teams were forced to disband or re-locate, but the 
competition is, as always, hot and heavy here in playoff season!

The top contenders for the Superbowl trophy this season are, of course,
the Houston Oilers (the OFFICIAL team of the Delphi Council!) and
the San Francisco 49ers, who's success story this year seems to stem
less from their incredible talent but more from catastophe on the 
parts of teams they play.

Here's Ryuchi Kanawa -- the new owner of the 49ers, speaking in an
exclusive interview with Pat Summerall about this season's events..."


So what do _you_ think is going to happen in Near-Now sports, huh?
I mean, given the Japanese presence in the West, Tharkoldu in LA, and
Delphi Council plans to keep morale up nationwide, an event THIS big
must warrant SOME attention...


I am the terror that flaps over Cairo...
	I am the first player expelled from the league on Miracle Abuse...
		_I_ am DRAMA DUCK!!!

Can you imagine Joe Montana with Increased Toughness & Inc. Dex?!?


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From: bmedley@hounix.org (Bert Medley)
Subject: GIZMO:  How does one build a Rocket Ranger Suit?
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Does anyone have an example of this?  Thanks!

-- 
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: spell and shapeshifter 
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:43:06 GMT

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 nishio@ntttsd.ntt.jp wrote:

> Thank you for your comments, Jim and Colin.

You're welcome.  :)

> I'll suggest my player to create "living forces" version of the spell.
> I'm now considering which method is the better,
> "result carry over" or "effect total carry over".

One thing; I thought effect should carry over, Jim thought that the were
should get the same absolute bonus to his mind, but KJ also mentioned that
the effect value itself has to carry over for purposes of determining
whether or not a second 'living forces' spell would cancel the mind boost.

CJW

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      | o =( [|}		--SMILE!  C'Thulhu loathes you!
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From: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: NNFL (Near Now Football League)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 05:30:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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You know, this whole thread was meant as a joke, but now it's 
getting interesting...

I realize NOBODY would let 3327 get ahold of the 49ers directly --
that was a cheap gag -- but I DO see him getting more involved with
high profit, high visibility (smoke screen) sporting events.

The Oilers gag was simply an "America's NEW Team" stunt -- with
the Delphi Council in Houston and all...  I mean, we all KNOW the
Oilers don't stand an Achmed's chance in combat in getting to
the Superbowl...

But lets hear a list of new/repostitioned teams and probable
playoff/Superbowl victories!

San Antonio Patriots vs. Colorado Bears

Tulsa Colts vs. Portland Vikings

And the surprise team of the season...

	The New Orleans Saints.

YOU figure it out.  :^)


I am the terror that flaps over Cairo...
	I am the Linebacker invoking the Law of Pain...
		_I_ am DRAMA DUCK!!!

I still think Hillary Roddam Gardner was a bad choice to
head the Delphi Council...
From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re:  Battle of Wierds...
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:12:05 GMT
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.

In article <gatemail1.0b23318921387@morticia> Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu> writes:
>Clint writes:
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Yeah, that's pretty weird.
>
>8-)
>
>Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)

 Thanks. I try.
From: wmw1503@rigel.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Greg Gordon at Warcon
Date: 24 Jan 1993 01:25 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Greg Gordon, Warcon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi there. If anyone is interested, Greg Gordon will be at Warcon at Texas A&M 
from Feb. 6-8, 1993. If you are interested in attending, call at 
(409) 845-1515, and ask for Lee Snaples, Craig Cumberland, or Dennis Koch; if
none of these people are available, ask to speak to anyone with Warcon or MSC
Nova.  

Kahuna 
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: The Miracle of California
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:27:57 GMT

Okay, I just picked up the Tharkhold supplement.  Now a quick question:

What the #&*$ is the Miracle?  Did I miss something? 
-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  Battle of Wierds...
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:17:31 GMT

Clint writes:

>
>
>

Yeah, that's pretty weird.

8-)

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: Random Stuff and Strangeness
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Colin writes:

> The big question still seems to me, "Prithee, whence the Fear Points?" 
> This also follows from the fact that SK Occult events trigger pers.
> checks, again without an apparent source of Fear Points.  

If the Occult is being used to determine something about a Horror I
use that Horror's Fear Rating.  Otherwise, I've made calls based on
what the ritual does and how large of an effect value it has.  The
more graphic and disturbing the ritual is, the higher the Fear Rating
(of course, the more disturbing it is, the easier it is for the
occultist to do, heh heh....)

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: guns, falling, and object TOU (long)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:34:51 GMT

In article <C16oAE.4G1@ibeam.intel.com> hutch@ibeam.intel.com (Steve Hutchison) writes:
>
>Clint, demonstrating that he's spent too much time in Living Land and
>completely lost his Tech axiom....  *-)

 Oh, no. Not you. Who let you on this newsgroup? It was Rick, wasn't it? Rick
told you, didn't he? DIDN'T HE?!?!?

 I can't stand it. It's a conspiracy against law abidin', Lanala lovin' tree
huggers, it is... oh, fergit it. Look, I'm just gonna watch this leaf awhile.
At least it isn't into weight/velocity ratios... yet...

-- Clint


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From: oakes@nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re: once more into the breech...
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:54:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.210959.7418@cheshire.oxy.edu> wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf) writes:
>In article <gatemail1.0b2114132619678@morticia> oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes) writes:
>>nah - all you need is a magic axiom of 0 to eliminate any random events
>>so that the plot would be obvious to anyone but an optant, and a spirit 
> Huh? (Wow, never thought of that. The Worship of Lanala brings about a TV 
>       revolution. Sitcoms are enshrined. Scooby-doo is worshipped as a 
>       virtual God!)
>
>-- Clint, "Wow! Nasty old Mr. Higgins who owns the lodge on the hill was the
>           creature?!? Lucky they found that newspaper clipping, or good old
>           Mrs. Lewis would have lost her land!"

gee, clint, didnt you know he already is a god...

BOGUS SPOILER ALERT - DANGER CLAY LUTHER DANGER!!!














(do not read this if you think 3327 is the epitome of humor...)

once the GM becomes TORG, the mystery machine will pull up, 
and with the belief of way to many people ages 20-25,
the gang will trap ol' Gaunty in a washing machine/ice cream maker trap,
and prove that he is only lord brian salisbury in a rubber mask!

and to think, he would have conquored the world
(everybody together now...)
"...if it werent for those pesky kids and their darn dog!"

(like i would have a real spoiler - get a clue!)

dave "only the power of toon can defeat the PoFear!" oakes
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: From the horse's mouth...
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Clint writes:

>  So scrap it. The only one of those commandments I'm even thinking of heeding
>is the system for Intimidation with weapons, and even that looks a bit iffy to
> me.

Since its someone's house rule and not "the word of WEG" its pretty
easy to ignore it if you don't like it (not like its going to show up
in a book or anything....)

I will at least give it a try; its a lot better than saying "no you
can't do that" or using the DV as the Intimidation value ("Gimme a
gravitic ray!  I'll never have to shoot them, I'll just scare them to
death!")  

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
Organization: Junior, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:34:38 -0500 
From: Andrew David Weiland <aw1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Players/GM's
Distribution: world

 geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink) writes,

>I don't know who it was that once did this, but it WAS a good idea...
>
>In the subject lines of your articles, I think a designation for GM
>only should apply to certain topics.  I, for one, have players that
>read this newsgroup, and I'll be running TGMR... at some point.
>I don't particularly WANT the players to read things like...
>
>"...fail a perseverence check, like when they meet the Gaunt Man..."
>
>No flames intended -- I just think there should be fair warning.

In other newsgroups they're called spoilers, and I think the same
designation applies here.  You could separate your post into non-spoiler
portions (what happens when they fail a perseverance check?) and spoiler
portions (examples from a WEG module).  I think that its better than
labeling some posts GM only; because not all GMs run modules and many
GMs are players in WEG modules.

Still, I'm not sure if the example you cited was a real spoiler.  What
secret information is revealed?  That the players may meet the Gaunt
Man?  Well, the module is named "The Gaunt Man Returns" so it seems the
players will strongly suspect that already.  They'll just have to
separate player knowledge and character knowledge; which, I think, TORG
players have already been doing for a long time.  For instance, how many
characters thought that, before Tharkold arrived, there were only five
invading realms.

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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Hey, Kansas Jim!
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Jim, I'm applying to NRAO in Virginia for a summer job.

Do you think I should put you down as a reference?  :)

Colin

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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: general question (long)
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:28:41 GMT

>
>Oh oh...my players are headed for the City of Angels too in their next
>adventure!  Maybe it's time for another set of crossovers between my
>game and Ricks....
>

 If you dudes need any background info or descriptions of places, let me know.
If you don't, make sure you get it right, or else... :)

-- Clint
From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Battle of Wierds...
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:00:30 GMT

   
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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: once more into the breech...
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:09:59 GMT

In article <gatemail1.0b2114132619678@morticia> oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes) writes:
>
>
>nah - all you need is a magic axiom of 0 to eliminate any random events
>so that the plot would be obvious to anyone but an optant, and a spirit 


 Huh? (Wow, never thought of that. The Worship of Lanala brings about a TV rev-
       olution. Sitcoms are enshrined. Scooby-doo is worshipped as a virtual
       God!)

-- Clint, "Wow! Nasty old Mr. Higgins who owns the lodge on the hill was the
           creature?!? Lucky they found that newspaper clipping, or good old
           Mrs. Lewis would have lost her land!"



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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: NNFL (Near Now Football League)
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:01:12 GMT

On 28 Jan 1993, Josh Geurink wrote:

> And the surprise team of the season...
> 
> 	The New Orleans Saints.
> 
> YOU figure it out.  :^)

A whole team full of Bloody Marys, maybe?

CJW

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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re: Random Stuff and Strangeness
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:15:32 GMT

The Pasta Knight asks about the Akashan airlift:

>when did this happen??? I must have missed that! did the Jan.
>Infiniverse come out or something???? ack!

Actually, the airlift was first mentioned months ago, like back around
the end of summer.  The problem has been that we haven't seen a realm
update since then either, so all these big events are occuring almost
invisibly, since most of them have been mentioned as if we already know
it and they're just reminding us (like the casual statement in the Dec.
Infiniverse that Mobius is busy in Greece overseeing the invasion of
that country.  Last they'd told us, which was back around the summer,
was that Mobius had invaded Crete and was making plans for the invasion
of Greece.)

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: News from WEG...
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:49:21 GMT

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993, Jim Ogle wrote:

> Erick writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:14:16 MST Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@AOC.NRAO.EDU> said:
> > > Infiniverse #31 "should" contain the first two Player Summaries, Nile
> > > Empire and Aysle.  (Don't you just love editors who are so busy they
> > > can't remember what appears where and when?)
> > 
> > Will these things be available in some legal incarnation for those of
> > us who do not subscribe to Infiniverse?
> 
> Not that I've heard.  I guess if you're lucky they'll put them in the
> 1994 Infiniverse Update but I'm pretty sure they said the only way to
> get them is going to be from the newsletter.

Yes, but you don't have to subscribe to git I-verse.  I've seen it in
hobby stores, and can't one mail off to WEG for a copy or three?

CJW

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From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: guns, falling, and object TOU (long)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:56:01 GMT
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.


       No, arg! I shall resist, I shall be strong!  

>Post?

 No, Pre-

 And no bills.

 Damn.

-- Clint
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From: nishio@ntttsd.ntt.jp
Subject: spell and shapeshifter
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:01:55 GMT

How do you think about spells cast on a shapeshifter?

Recently I created a spell that attacks target's Mind and causes
mental damage, just like Mana spells in Shadowrun.
This spell made werewolf an endengered species.
So a werewolf storm knight thought to cast Retual of Mind Preparation
spell on himself to raise his Mind value.

Assume the werewolf storm knight casts the spell on himself in human form
(before shapeshifting), and then shapeshifts into wolf form.
What will happen on his heightened Mind value ?

Recalculate new Mind value from spell's effect total and wolf's Mind value?
Or, spell will cease to work because wolf is not "folk"?
Let me know what do you think.

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