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From: jcm2w@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (John Clarke Mccanless)
Subject: Re: Flight of the Humblebee
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:27:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.105948.14719@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> andreas@appel012.hydromech.uni-hannover.de (Andreas A. W. Dunker) writes:
>Hei all,
>
>There are several version of "the Flight of the Humblebee". The best
						 ^^^^^^^^^
Back state-side we say "Bumblebee." =-)

>I know is that from Bobby McFerrin and Yo-Yo Ma. And there
>exists a version with a brass ensemble. Does anyone know about
>further variations?
>
>Andreas

Christian Lindberg, pehaps the finest solo trombonist alive, recorded
an IMPRESSIVE version (yes, on slide trombone!) with Roland Pontinen
on piano, on "The Virtuoso Trombone" on BIS.

Wynton Marsalis has a real fast (for a brass player) version on his
"Carnaval" disc on former CBS records.  Maurice Andre has an impress-
ively cheesy (i.e. almost disco!) version on "La Meilleur de Moi-Meme."

Of the three, I've never tired of listening to Lindberg's (after all,
it only takes a minute!).


-- 
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From: "alexander inglis" <alexander.inglis@canrem.com>
Subject: harnoncourt and svedja
Reply-To: "alexander inglis" <alexander.inglis@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:11:13 EST

  >    Subject: Harnoncourt and Svedja

MH>  I have noticed that many people express some interest in Harnoncourt and
  >his Beethoven symphonies.  I have only heard a few of his interpretations,
  >mainly from "The Record Shelf."  As you probably know, Jim Svedja regards
  >NH as "an incompotent bozo," and from some disgusting Baroque recordings I
  >heard, I would have to agree - I heard some Handel on period instruments tha
  >was just comical...  So I am very curious how this guy does Beethoven.
  >  This also brings up the question of what to think of JS.  In general, I te
  >to agree with his recommendations, but there are exceptions.  For example, h
  >says of Karajan's Parsifal : "I wouldn't wish it on a dog,"  while I think
  >it is one of the finest recordings I own.  So if I am suspicious of NH, it i
  >not because JS does not like him, but simply because I have heard only rotte
  >music come from him.  What do you think?

Just to clear things up for peanut gallery ... is Jim Svedja that fellow
with about an hour weekly record reviews who plays 30 seconds of
something and then begins a voiceover "discussion" of it? And while I
can respect strongly held views, I'd be greatly suspicious of anyone
calling a musician of Harnoncourt's stature "an incompetent bozo". Let
me hasten to add that SJ may have backed up his abrupt sounding opinion
with detailed arguments. Nonetheless ...

Politeness still counts for something.

As for the NH Beethoven symphonies, I have heard extended excerpts under
less than ideal conditions -- in record stores. Didn't do much for me
and I am wondering what the fuss is all about. Harnoncourt, OTOH, has
made many recordings I have found outstanding. Nor have I heard
Karajan's Parsifal but I have heard his sterile Ring cycle. And while
I'm on it, I will never know what the critics find so overwhelmingly
uplifting about HvK's live Mahler Ninth. A big disappointment for me.

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From: acid+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Colby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: 78s and quick tempos
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:32:22 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

As my CD library grows, I am becoming more and more insterested in
historical performances.  Recently, I bought some CD remasterings of 78s,
most notably the 10-disc Rachmaninov box set (RCA) and the Schnabel
Beethoven sonata cycle (EMI).  I remember reading somewhere that since 78s
couldn't hold very much music on a side, recorded performances tended
toward the fast side.  Is this true?  Was that really a factor?  I have
noticed that older performances are often faster, but I thought that was
just the convention of the day (or the particular conductor at hand).

-chris

P.S.: The Schnabel cycle is wonderful.
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From: jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: The BEST finale!
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Dec17.055240.28207@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
	<1992Dec17.203233.25237@walter.bellcore.com>
	<2B31FAEE.6591@news.service.uci.edu>
	<1992Dec18.170128.24867@walter.bellcore.com>
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:08:57

In article <1992Dec18.170128.24867@walter.bellcore.com> broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough) writes:

>|> >
>|> >Bruckner ????? 
>|> >
>|> >Can any good thing come from him ?
>|> >
>|> 
>|> Quite a lot already has, m'laddie.
>|> 

>Name something that has !!!!!!

  If you don't like Bruckner's music, keep your mouth shut! You
  don't have to like it, but other people (including me) like it.
  His music is *grand* and I've always thought that one can
  judge people upon the music they like or don't like...

  Otherwise one is tempted to think that you forgot your smileys
  after the statement.
--
!
!	Jyrki Wahlstedt
!		Jyrki.Wahlstedt@hut.fi
!
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From: torenvl@ecf.toronto.edu (TORENVLIET GERARD LAWRENS)
Subject: Christmas (not Xmas) CD
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:17:09 GMT

I was just listening to Off the Record on CBC today and heard a really good     of Christmas music.  It is by the Katherine Wilson Trio, and is called    
Christmas Tidings, on the Reflections label.  It features many popular 
Christmas carols done by, get this, a string quartet.  Sounded really nice.
I can't say that I highly recommend it, because I've only heard about three    
pieces from it, but I did think it was very good.

Merry Christmas, 
Gerard

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From: rons@quads.uchicago.edu (Josh Ronsen)
Subject: Russolo's Noise Machines
Reply-To: rons@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:58:52 GMT

        Does anybody have any information on the Noise Machines of the
Futurist Russolo outside of his book "The Art of Noises"? Info leading
to recordings, schematics, diagrams, et cetera would be greatly
appreciated.

        Thanks,

        Josh Ronsen
        rons@midway.uchicago.edu

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From: dpotts@sw.stratus.com (David Potts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,ne.general,ne.forsale
Subject: REPOST: Concert Announcement - Worcester, Mass
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:24:52 GMT
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Distribution: ne
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            A HOLIDAY TRADITION RETURNS!

     Celebrate the Christmas Season with The Master Singers
     of Worcester.  For 15 years, The Master Singers have
     delighted local area audiences during their traditional
     Christmas Concert/Party.  In the intimate ambiance of
     cabaret-style seating, enjoy holiday favorites such as
     "Sleigh Ride", "O Holy Night", Handel's "Hallelujah"
     chorus, and "White Christmas", along with a festive
     carol sing-a-long.  Also featured will be seasonal
     works of Palestrina, Victoria, Thompson, and P.D.Q.
     Bach.

     A second performance has been added this year, designed
     especially for seniors and students.  Performances will
     be held at 1 and 7:30 p.m.  on Saturday, December 19,
     at Wesley Methodist Church, 114 Main St., Worcester.
     Ticket prices, which include a cornucopia of seasonal
     refreshments, are $15 ($10 for seniors and students).
     For further information, please contact David Potts via
     e-mail, or call (508) 874-5830.
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From: tony@cns.nyu.edu (Tony Movshon)
Subject: Re: The BEST finale!
Reply-To: tony@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:31:08 GMT

In article 279@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl, vosse@ruls41.LeidenUniv.nl (Theo Vosse) writes:
> BTW, is there any finale that simply stops, i.e. does not die away
> and does not reach a climax as well, but which is still worthwhile?

Sibelius 5th?

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From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Why no amplified solos?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:35:11 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <BzDoqu.Jv8@mach1.wlu.ca>, mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) writes:
>
>With that said, here is my question:
>
>"Why do you never hear concerts of symphonic works performed on 'electric'
>instruments?"
>
[...]
>
>Phil "if it ain't Jimi, it ain't shit!" Martin 8^)
>Wilfrid Laurier University
>mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca
>

Well, Phil, it depends just what you mean by "electronic instruments"...
"Electronic music" in the "classical" sense is maybe outside what you want, but
of course there are probably 100s of recordings of such works. Try the
"Pioneers of American Electronic Music" on the CRI label, and "Electroacoustic
Music: Classics" on the Neuema (sp?) label. for starters. Good stores like
Tower will carry these labels. 

However, you may like to try the following, all of which I believe(??) are
currently-available recordings: 

* Mantra by Karlheinz Stockhausen (2 pianos with electronic sound 
modification by "ring modulators"). An epic work, maybe the definitive
"conventional"/electronic combination.

* Gruppen by Karlheinz Stockhausen (electric guitar and "conventional"
instruments). Also lots of works by KS for "conventional" instruments and 
electronic instruments combined -- Mixtur, Kurzwellen, etc., etc.

* 6th Symphony by Hans Werner Henze (voila with "contact microphone" --
really wild!!)

* 2nd Violin Concerto by Hans Werner Henze (solo violon with electronic
amplification, and the soloist also recites an electronically-modified
poem during the performance. Backup included all sorts of percussion,
prepared pianos, etc.  A classic!)

* Turangulila Symphony by Olivier Messiaen (sp?) Several recordings 
available, all of which feature the "Ondes Martinot" -- an amazing and
unique sound (IMHO). 

These will get you started -- there are plenty of others out there. Does 
anybody else have any favorites I've missed?

Happy listening,
Bill


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From: dhm@cs.hw.ac.uk (David H Marwick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: NEWS: Pavarotti booed out of the SCALA
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:56:04 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <w0PqVB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes) writes:
>...In EUROPE they want things right and if you don't do
>so you get booed!...remember MOST of the audience knows the opera,aria,etc
>just as well as the performer. They are mostly frustrated singers and are just
>waiting for the performer to make a mistake. 

>  In europe if you don't show your distain, it is considered that you accept
>the performance whether you clap or not.
>
Amazing as it may seem, Europe is composed of several countries (and of
different regions within these countries - or even, as in the UK,
different nations within countries! but that's another problem).

So EUROPE is far from being a homogeneous mass. We all
act differently in different places. La Scala is in Italy; at La Scala it
is traditional to boo. It is very rare to hear any performance boo-ed in
Edinburgh - but then again, it is very rare to see a standing ovation.

The Scots are very reserved; the Italians are not.

<Sorry folks, but we've just had a large European summit here in Edinburgh
 and Patti's posting didn't ring too true.
 End of social anthropology/geography lesson>

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From: gustavo@dent.uchicago.edu (Gustavo Comezana)
Subject: Re: Greatest living conductors
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, U. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:38:48 GMT

In article <FGNVBTPS@cc.swarthmore.edu> rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Rob Brooks) writes:
>
>
>Hmm, what about von Dohnanyi?  I saw him in Boston with the Cleveland
>orchestra a couple of years ago and they gave one of the most exciting
>performances of Beethoven 7 I've heard yet.
>
>Rob (rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu)
>
>
>

Well, speaking of CvD live, I heard him conduct Bruckner's #9, and it
was quite horrible. No sense of structure whatever; it sounded almost
like a suite consisting of many short pieces. I attended the concert
with some friends who had never heard the work and hated it, but
unfortuantely thought it was all the composer's fault. Needless to
say, it was enough for me to play the recordings by Jochum and Karajan
to them to change their minds. 'Nuff said.

I realize that this is too weak an indictment, and I can also give
some examples of CvD's very successful readings, but I have heard enough
aimless meandering coming from his baton to stop me from putting him
anywhere near my nominees for the top tier of conductors.

                                              G.
From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: A Room With a View Music
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:02:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.012031.6263@seas.smu.edu> pedersen@seas.smu.edu (Ted Pedersen) writes:
>I was wondering if someone could tell me what opera is featured so
>prominently in the music of the film "A Room With a View"? 
>

I know of two operas floating around "A Room ..."
"LaRodine" and "Gianni Schichi"  -- both by Puccini, neither his best
            
John D. 


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From: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Subject: Re: Lulu (new one)
Reply-To: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:22:13 GMT

In article <18447@mindlink.bc.ca>, Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:
|>At my favorite CD shop the other day, I noticed there is a new 
|>version of Lulu on EMI, presumably all 3 acts. Has anyone heard 
|>this yet? If so, please post a review!

It is on my wish-list.  I have seen a bootleg video of Patricia Wise
doing the role and she was right on the money for the entire opera.
I could not believe I had never heard of such an amazing voice.  If
the video is any indicator, she should be great in the role.  With
Brigitte Fassbaender as Geschwitz, it looks REALLY promising.

Gene
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From: rsm13@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Ravi S Moorthy)
Subject: The worst composer in a millenium
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:53:35 GMT

I had the misfortune of buying Oliver Messiaen's "Turangalila Symphony"
conducted by Rattle.  To give credit where it is due, it is the worst
music I have ever heard.  Pardon me Messiaen lovers, but I cannot make
any sense of his mumbling mystecism or the interminable bird calls.

Ravi
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From: apter@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter)
Subject: Re: Carl Schuricht
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:20:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.140215.24482@bristol.ac.uk> plcdib@bristol.ac.uk (C D I Bertram) writes:
>I've been reading Paul Bernhard's novel Wittgenstein's nephew. In
>it the narrator mentions that his favourite conductor is Schuricht.
>What is known about him? A recording of Mozart's Haffner symphony (no. 35)
>is mentioned - is this a good recording? Is it available? 


Quite a few Carl Schuricht recordings are available.  The EMI 
Beethoven symphony box is easy to recommend.  And there is a fine 
Missa Solemnis included in the DG Vienna Philharmonic commemoration 
set.  Some live Bruckner recordings exist on CD, but I haven't heard 
any of these yet.



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From: "alexander inglis" <alexander.inglis@canrem.com>
Subject: works of karol szymanowsk
Reply-To: "alexander inglis" <alexander.inglis@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 13 Dec 92 13:41:15 EST

TMM>In article <1992Dec12.170148.17749@news.columbia.edu> Ravi S Moorthy writes
   >>I have never heard any of Szymanowski's orchestral works.  Can
   >>somebody suggest me some.

TMM>The Violin Concertos.  There is a disc of both on the Marco Polo label.

TMM>T. M. McComb

The BBC publishes a useful monograph on Szymanowski by Christopher
Palmer in its BBC Music Guides series. A good place to look for ideas.

The great David Oistrakh, with Kurt Sanderling, recorded the First
Violin Concerto in 1959 ,.. it's on Chant du Monde at the moment.

There's a Pantheon CD with Polish performers doing the two violin
concertos and the 4th Symphony (also known as Symphonie Concertante).
Konstanty Kulka is the violinist; Jerzy Maksymiuk conducts.

Carol Rosenberger has an engaging recital of solo piano works on a Delos
CD which includes the famous Masques and some Etudes and Mazurkas.

Don't miss the string quartets (there are two of them)! Olympia put out
a CD of both coupled with a work each by Lutoslawski and Penderecki.
This 1982 recording of the Varsovia String Quartet is a favourite of
mine. The Szymanowski is clearly the memorable music here.

The 3 Myths for violin and piano are often cited as Szymanowski
highlights and they've been recorded surprisingly often. DGG has a
recital which includes them featuring Danczowska and Zimmerman.

The other three symphonies have had a decent airing over the years as
well: Dorati recorded No 2 and No 3 which is currently available.

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From: smitra@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Sami Mitra)
Subject: Re: Brahms Symphonies
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:20:06 GMT

In article <CB.92Dec11125323@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>Jan Chomicki writes:

[He wants info about Brahms symphonies' recordings]

>As usual with the Big Works, Klemperer is at the top of my list.  Also
>in that position is Szell, who delivers strength through economy, if you
>follow.  For me, "Brahms symphonies" means 3 and 4.  1 and 2 are big
>deals of course, but they've never been in a class with the last two for
>me.
>
I would recommend the Szell recordings too. I haven't heard the new CD
reissues, but as performances Szell's no nonsense approach and the
technical prowess of the orchestral playing are exemplary. I have just
bought his Beethoven cycle, the performances are just as wonderful as I
remembered them to be, but the transfer is slightly edgy.

I don't agree with your statement regarding the class of the first two
versus the last two symphonies. But this week, as I sat through a
performance of the 2nd symphony by the IU Philharmonic, I couldn't help
feeling that all the memorable music in this symphony seems to be in the
first movement. Does it seem as top-heavy to some others too?

						Sami Mitra
>Chris Brewster
>cb@cray.com
>


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From: broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough)
Subject: Re: The BEST finale!
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:01:28 GMT

In article <2B31FAEE.6591@news.service.uci.edu>, jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec17.203233.25237@walter.bellcore.com> broken@venison.bae.bellcore.com (Tony Brokenborough) writes:
|> >
|> >Bruckner ????? 
|> >
|> >Can any good thing come from him ?
|> >
|> 
|> Quite a lot already has, m'laddie.
|> 
|> John D.
|> 
|> 


Name something that has !!!!!!
From: hsmoliar+@cs.cmu.edu (Harold Smoliar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: summer music camps
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:26:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <CB.92Dec11105743@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>
>My sister attended Interlochen Academy for two years but never attended
>the music camp there.  However, I visited the place during a vacation
>and found the atmosphere vibrantly alive.  It seemed to be a place where
>young people would have great formative experiences; but on the other
>hand, the fun could be ruined by the competitive pressure of a music
>school.  I'd be interested to see comments from people who attended the
>Interlochen summer music camp.
>
I was at the National Music Camp at Interlochen in the summers of 1971 and
1972.  Although there were definite good points, I found the experience
overall to be a negative one.  The competition was fierce and it got me
into some terrible practise habits--cramming[as if for a test]the night
before challenges in the hopes of retaining my principal oboe chair, and then
not practising enough or correctly the rest of the week.

Harold Smoliar
English horn, Pittsburgh Symphony
Piano, Symphony Jazz Quartet
hsmoliar@db1.speech.cs.cmu.edu
From: mgn@csd.uu.se (Magnus Nordin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical
Subject: Mahler novice
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:14:25 GMT
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Distribution: rec
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I'm curious about Mahler and have decided to start listening to his
symphonies. My question is: which symphonies to buy and which
conductor(s)?

Should I buy a complete cycle or some "basic" subset of the
symphonies?  

In the cycle case: Which cycle? I've read good things about the
Kubelik cycle on DG. This box packs all the symphonies into only 10
CDs (I think Karajan's is 15 CDs) which is an economical plus. 

The subset case: Which symphonies to begin with? Is there a typical or
"a must" set? Which recordings? Simon Rattle (no complete cycle yet, I
believe) has done very well with what he's recorded so far according
to the press I've seen. 

All recommendations gratefully welcomed.

Magnus Nordin (mgn@csd.uu.se)
Dept. of Computing Science
Uppsala University
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