From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: ALL ARGUMENTS FOR PRO-CHOICE REFUTED HERE!!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:01:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Oct5.201329.11680@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes:

>I require a reference for this statistic.
>
># Proponents of abortion, such as Planned Parenthood, misrepresent the number of
># deaths from "back-alley clinics" prior to legalization by using estimates of
># 5,000 to 10,000 deaths annually, [...]
>
>I require a reference for this, and support for the allegation that
>this is a misrepresentation.

Coming from another source, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL
(National Abortion Rights Action League) admits his group lied about the
number of women who died from illegal abortion when testifying before the
U.S. Supreme Court in 1972: "We spoke of 5,000 - 10,000 deaths a year ...
I confess that I knew the figures were totally false ... it was a useful
figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with 
honest statistics?

>
># 4.  To prevent child abuse.
># 
># Abortion is itself the ultimate form of child abuse and dehumanization, and
># contrary to what many Americans assume, children from unplanned pregnancies
># represent only 10% or fewer of abuse cases annually in America.  Following
># Roe vs. Wade in 1973, the cases of child abuse in America rose 500% by 1982.
>
>I require a reference for this statistic.
>

Also, from another view/source:
Date		Total Number		% Increase
1973		167,000	
1979		711,142			325%
1986		1,000,000		500%

U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, National Center of
Child Abuse and Neglect

>
># The evidence tells a different story.  In her research article, "The Myth:
># Unplanned Pregnancies Lead to Child Abuse," Dr. Wanda Franz wrote:  "In every
># major child-abuse center, the data collected on families who have been
># identified as abusers indicate that the vast majority `wanted' their children
># before they were born.  The percentages of `wantedness' ranged from 91 percent
># to 96 percent, depending on the study."
>
>Where and when was this published?
>

Another possible useful source might come from Dr. Philip Ney, chief of
psychiatry at a major teaching hospital.  Some quotes
   "... elective abortion is an important cause of child abuse."
   "Recent evidence indicates that many women harbor strong guilt feelings
    long after their abortions.  Guilt is one important cause of child
    battering an infanticide.  Abortion also lowers women's self-esteem
    and there are studies reporting a major loss of self-esteem in 
    battering parents..."
   "Abortion might also weaken a social taboo against harming those who
    are defenseless."

P. Ney, "Relationship between Abortion & Child Abuse: Canada Jour.nal
Psychiatry, vol. 24, 1979, pp. 610-620
   

>[...]
># Emphasizing that acceptance to violence inside the womb has weakened parents'
># resistance to violence outside the womb, Dr. Ney has further noted:  (1)
># Abortion decreases a parent's instinctual restraint against occasional rage
># felt toward a child.  (2) Permissive abortion diminishes restraint against
># aggressing the defenseless.  (3) Abortion increases hostility between
># generations.  (4) Abortion has devalued life.  (5) Abortion increases guilt
># and self-hatred, which the parent releases against the child.  (6) Abortion
># increases hostile frustration between sexes, for which the child is the
># scapegoat.
>
>I require a reference for this.
>
The above might also help.  Note that these two are two different
people.

># After legalizing abortion on demand in 1973, America saw a 500% increase in
># child abuse by 1982, from 167,000 cases to 929,000.
>
>I require a reference for this.
>
As mentioned earlier, try the U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services as
well as the National Center of Child Abuse & Neglect.
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