HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN)
Newsgroups: apc.reg.safrica,soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: CRAP FROM UNIV. CAPE TOWN
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:02:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: giraffe.bakc.99.714225749
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

>From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
>Subject: Re: CRAP FROM UNIV. CAPE TOWN
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:45:30 GMT

Oufemi G Anthony writes:

>All unbiased and unbigoted readers of this net should have realized by now
>that Gavan and his cohorts are a subgroup within this newsgroup. They
>have "redneck" conversations between themselves and it is best to leave
>them in their world of fantasy where white domination will continue
>forever. They are in fact, members of the same "broederbond"; to use the
>language of the oppressor. It is an unfortunate fact that this medium of
>communication, i.e. over the net allows even rednecks to express their
>views, much to the distaste of the majority of enlightened users of this
>newsgroup. It is best to leave these throwbacks and advocates of a racist
>ideaology that caused misery to millions of S.Africans to themselves. 
>Just ignore their postings...

>Femi.


>P.S. Just when will you join the AWB, Gavan, or are you already a member?
>     Maybe you can take over from Terre Blanche, he was "caught with his
>     pants down !!"
>     
>     "Viva Afrikans, Viva le broederbond" - Just so you can masturbate and
>     salivate on it, my dear Gavan.


I wonder what constructive contributions.......

1.
Tasteless language,

           and
2.
Vulgar personal remarks

           make to 

3.
Any intelligent debate  

           or

4.
The credibility of the poster???

(Rhetorical question, naturally)

Cheers,
Keith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP 
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:20:27 GMT

Thus spake hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za:

> Uh...I think Linda was a little confused here and meant "individual right" when
> she said "majority right".

No she wasn't. She said what she meant to say and she doesn't need you
to tell her what she meant.

Linda
 
       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Subject: Re: new leaf
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:17:48 GMT
Keywords: idiot

> In article <g90s9316.713629183@alpha.ru.ac.za> g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za (Wayne Humphries) writes:

> >I am utterly amazed. Only TWO people e-mailed me
> >about my naughty bad-boy behaviour. 

I didn't see the rest of the original post. My response to this bit is
that the posts were so senseless it seemed even more senseless to try
and talk to you.

Linda
 
       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell)
Subject: Re: IPS:SOUTHERN AFRICA: CASSAVA COULD REDU
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:04:04 GMT

Another advantage of cassava is that the young
leaves make an excellent vegetable - called
kisamvu in Tanzania.
Cassava can be intercropped with beans or even
sweet potatoes, so that in a normal growing
season the land is better utilised.
Cassava, like maize or bananas, can be
ravaged by monkeys and wild pigs.
Some farmers would protect their field by
planting a poisonous variety round the
periphery to discourage the marauders.
Of course, at harvest time, it becomes 
necessary to distinguish between the
varieties!
Young cassava roots make a pleasant
snack when eaten raw.
It can also be dried and milled, with the
flour later being used for meal.
I don't recall any potent brews from
cassava, though.
All in all, a really versatile plant.
Henry Sewell   my opinion, not my employer's

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Please continue IPS.
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:39:34 GMT

Please keep one of my (and many other SA people outside the country) only
news sources alive!

Thanks to IPS.
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From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Followup "Intimidation, looting and arson"
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:47:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <18 Aug 1992 20:39> David De Trolio (5:7104/2) said to All :

 DDT>I think you have put Mandela on too high of a pedestal, and are
 DDT>under estimating President De Klerk.  The worst mistake which can be
 DDT>made at this point is to under estimate the far right.  I feel it is
 DDT>safe to say there are some similarities, but not many.

Maybe you put Yeltsin on too high a pedestal. I think that perhaps de Klerk's 
biggest mistake so far has been to over-estimate the far right. Why else has 
he failed to control the police and the army? Or does he seriously think they 
will topple him?

What the "new" South Africa desperately needs is a new police force, with a 
new police culture. Maybe it will need to be trained entirely separately from 
the old police force, by people from other countries. The police force has 
been misused for so long to protect a political ideology that it is not able 
to switch to fighting crime.





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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:40 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA:US delays aid again!
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700076:cdp:1471700078:000:1035
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 20 05:40:00 1992


There was no mention on the radio of whether the French relief flight
scheduled for yesterday had been delayed because of looting.

Let me again call attention to the fact that 500 airlifts a week are
going into Yugoslavia, that 11 UN peacekeeping personnel have been *killed*
in Yugoslavia, stepping on mines, etc., and that trucks carrying food aid
go over mined roads in Yugoslavia.  The news stories about this concentrate
on the "hungry faces streaming with tears of gratitude."  I don't
begrudge the hungry Yugoslavians a single bite.

What we need is an equal resolve to get food to Somalians.

I'm going to be calling all the media possible today, local and national.

I believe communication with Boutros-Ghali is in order too.  It may
be necessary just to completely forget the US and hope other countries
will solve this problem.

But Clinton should be called, and we should urge him to denounce this
foreign policy disaster carried on by the Bush administration.

that number again for the Clinton Campaign 1-800-995-2388.
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: CRAP FROM UNIV. CAPE TOWN
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:50:59 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

henk@fudd.frcs.alt.za (Henk Coetzee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.010938.6050@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> hardy@ucthpx.uct.ac.za writes:
>
>  > [Entire article quoted]
>
>And this from Hardy who squeals every time anybody calls him a racist.

COME ON PEOPLE!  Some of us only see crap like this when other posters
quote it!  (Nothing personal, Henk, a number of people have been doing 
this and I'm tired of it.)

Certain posters seem to need to affirm their existence by posting
offensive rubbish and getting a reaction from other posters.  It
happens on alt.sex all the time.  If you ignore them, they go away.
Really.

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From: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Protest! Protest! Protest!
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:37:28 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

    The international students at PennState will be holding a protest against
the university's health insurance policy. The protest is dated August 17th,
Monday, in front of the HUB(hertzel Union Building) and the Old Main.
    PennState requires all international students came after fall,1990 to
buy insurance for themself and their dependents. The insurance should be the
MEGA plan provided by this school or other insurance that meet the waiver
standards. The waiver standards were set very strict so that international
students have no choice but to buy MEGA because any insurance that meet all
the waiver standards will be much more expensive than MEGA. The MEGA cost
about $500 a year for the student but $1778 for the student spouse and $800
for a child. If the  international student has assistantship, the school pays
%80 of the insurance for the student, but not for spouses and children.
MEGA doesn't provide good coverage for illnesses though it's so expensive.
    American students are not required to buy insurance for their dependents,
but they can choose to buy MEGA for their dependents if they want. So when
their wifes are going to have a baby. they may spend a few hundred dollars
to buy MEGA for their wifes for only one semester, and enjoy the maternity
coverage. The cost, certainly, will be imposed on international students who
are forced to buy MEGA even there's a lot of unwanted coverages like the
maternity coverages for their husbands and children!
From: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: uganda net
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:56:05 EST
Reply-To: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

   Would anyone be aware of a usenet feed (and address) into Kampala,
Uganda?
   Thanx.

Col
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From: scott@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Freedom of Expression
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:59:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: concave.scott.714329999
Organization: CS Dept, University of the Witwatersrand

In <1992Aug20.141822.20762@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>Naturally. Actually, they aren't simply voicing opinions,
>to which I have no objection, but they're trying to place
>people under pressure by having tours cancelled, 

So what's wrong with that.  

>Thats the crucial difference. Freedom only extends as
>far as it does not interfere with the equal freedom of others.

>One must note that the principal threat the ANC has in this regard
>is "mass action" - which it is threatening to use. 

This is of course the difference between the spectators and the ANC.
The spectators all have the vote -- most of whom voted for the 
National Party who terrorised the country for almost fifty years.

>This includes
>all sorts of things, including the threat of violence, and disruption
>which is NOT freedom of expression. This is what touring teams would be
>scared of. 

You're very sceptical of rugby players. I would think they are
amenable to reason.

>It's like claiming freedom of speech when arranging a murder, because
>that involves speech, when inciting others to violence, because
>that involves speech, etc etc. That is where freedom of speech stops.
>Speech that ACTIVELY attempts to remove the freedom of speech of
>others, when that is a clear and present danger, is not free. A well-known
>legal principle. Try Justice Learned Hand.
> 
>Nothing wrong with ideas, unless of course they're ideas
>that attempt to suppress other ideas AND THERE IS A CLEAR
>AND PRESENT DANGER THAT THEY WILL ACTIVELY DO SO - where the other ideas
>do not themselves.

I must remember these lines for future debates.

>Gavan Tredoux
>UCT
>"Uit die blou van onse hemel"

Uit die diepte van ons see
Kruip die sluuste kommuniste
Met hul subverse literatuur
Maar dont you worry about your pure minds
Dit is nog die wit mans nag
Ons het nog die SA Weermag and die SA Polisiekrag
Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem
Ons sal moer di rooi gevaar!
Ons sal donder did alternatiew pers
Vir a wit Suid-Afrika!

Apologies for any errors, Was that the song you were thinking of?

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From: hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP 
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:59:31 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Aug12.212027.5999@frcs.Alt.ZA>, linda@frcs.Alt.ZA 
(Linda Jacobson) writes:
> Thus spake hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za:
> 
>> Uh...I think Linda was a little confused here and meant "individual right" 
>> when she said "majority right".
> 
> No she wasn't. She said what she meant to say and she doesn't need you
> to tell her what she meant.

Well then Linda, maybe you could tell us all what "majority rights" are since
you invented the term.

Hardy
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:49 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA:US delays aid again!
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700076:cdp:1471700081:000:463
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 21 20:49:00 1992


Thanks for this information.

I have seen an email address for Clinton as follows:  Clinton@ai.mit.edu

I haven't tried it--how would I know if it succeeded?


A remark about "subtle racism."  This phrase was also used by Sanford
Ungar to explain why Yugoslavia is favored with media attention and airlifts
in a ration of 500/1 or 500 to zero.

A friend of mine at work said, "Subtle!  If this is subtle racism, Jeffrey
Dahmer is a guy with an eating disorder."
From: cscoging@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Chris Scogings)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Continue IPS
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:46:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: unpcs1.cscoging.67
Organization: University of Natal (Pietermaritzburg)

I read the IPS postings and really appreciate the information.
Please continue them.
Chris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Russian Police Beat African Students
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:01:53 GMT

>
>News Story from _The Philadelphia Inquirer_, Aug. 13 1992
>--
>RUSSIAN POLICE BEAT AFRICAN STUDENTS by Elizabeth Shogren (Los Angeles Times)
>--
>Moscow-- African students at Russia's Patrice Lumumba University of Friendship
>of Peoples were severely beaten by riot police yesterday during a demonstration
>protesting the slaying of a student from Zimbabwe by a Russian policeman. The
>killing of the 25-year-old history student and the attack on peaceful
>demonstrators by baton-waving helmeted police was proof, the students say, of
>the systematic abuse they face in Moscow because of their color.
>--

Geez! With friends like these Ruskies, who needs Kommandante de Klerk???

J.K.
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From: kaseko@venus.its.uci.edu (Mohamed Kaseko)
Subject: Re: IPS will continue if you answer this post
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Reply-To: kaseko@venus.its.uci.edu (Mohamed Kaseko)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:07:02 GMT

In article <9v6mhrl.barnhart@netcom.com>, barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart) writes:
|> I happen to have a Peacenet account and can continue the IPS
|> African news transmissions so faithfully maintained for us
|> by Winslow Sargeant.  But I need your help.
|> 

You bet! Winslow Sargeant has been doing a great service to this newsgroups.
As far as I am concerned, I probably would not be subscribing to the group
if it weren't for those freqeunt news clips.
So please if you can carry on the good work, I would greatly appreciate.
For me, I would like to get any news related to Africa or Africans.

I think I speak for a few other subscribers as well!

Thanks Aaron and thanks W.S. We hope to hear from again soon.

Kaseko
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: sewell@tsingtao.bnr.ca (Henry Sewell)
Subject: Re: Experiences from Kenya and Tanzania
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Distribution: soc.culture.african
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:53:13 GMT

Back in 1980, I too arrived at Lobo Lodge to find it
shut. It was late in the evening and we'd had a
gruelling drive from Mwanza. We went to the staff
village nearby. Without hesitation, they opened
up the hotel for the two of us and provided full service.
At that time, the border with Kenya was closed
and few travellers went near the place.
Seronera that week was occupied by an American film
producer (?Perkins?). The noise pollution from him
and his entourage detracted from the idyllic setting.
Henry Sewell        my opinion, not my employer's
From: henk@fudd.frcs.alt.za (Henk Coetzee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS will continue if you answer this post
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:33:03 GMT
Organization: FRCS mail/news uucp point

Keep up the IPS posts. I read them and find many of the press
releases really useful.

Henk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: hay@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Angus Hay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: SA anthem and flags (again)
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:00:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: shannon.hay.714510008
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand

I know everyone has an opinion on the flying of the national flag,
and the singing of the anthem at the Springbok-All Blacks test last
week, but I'm going to give mine anyway:

Since the test, I haven't found a white South African (well, not quite),
who hasn't said: "Wasn't it amazing?" or "That'll show the ANC that
we've had enough of their nonsense" or "It's about time that we were
_allowed_ to sing _our_ anthem, and raise _our_ flag. Just look at the
Olympics." All of which I find quite sad, and yet horribly
predictable.  It seems that there is only a small number of people
around who agree with me.

Firstly, I find the insensitivity of white rugby supporters terrible,
but not surprising. We all know that there are all sorts of political
agendas at work here, but the removal of the anthem, and the minute's
silence were measures worked out by the new sports bodies, who are
trying not to provoke the anger of all the sportspeople they represent,
and to encourage reconciliation.

Secondly, having thought about it, I think that we should let everyone
sing the anthem he wants to, and fly the flag he wants to, at least
until there is some agreement on "new" symbols.  After all, it's not as
if this is Serbia etc. The country that everyone is getting excited
about is the SAME ONE. It's only a few loonies on the left and right
who aren't. Above all, we should learn a few lessons from Eastern
Europe about trying to suppress spontaneous nationalism.

If it was my choice, I would only really get excited about something
representing the New South Africa. I would probably stand for both "Die
Stem" and "Nkosi Sikilel'iAfrika". I certainly wouldn't sing during
ANYONE'S minute of silence.

BTW Today's match at Newlands finally confirmed my suspicions that
Capetonians have a great deal more culture. Of course, there were
sales of SA flags at the ground etc, but at least there was no
official anthem, and the minute's silence was properly observed.

If you really want to tell me something, mail it to me (and post if
you like), because our news expires a bit quickly at the moment.

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From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: The ANC and the SACP
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:25:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <18 Aug 1992 20:34> Gavan Tredoux (5:7104/2) said to All :

 GT>The ANC certainly didn't start out as a grass-roots party, having
 GT>an exceptionally elitist beginning, but that's beside the point.
 GT>It's a well-known feature of ethnically divided societies that ostensibly
 GT>neutral parties, say ones with class-based ideologies, simply get
 GT>captured by asn ethnic segment. The parties become ethnic by association,
 GT>by support, by leadership and by organization. They pursue willy-nilly
 GT>ethnic goals with ethnic support, regardless of their "formal"  
ideological
 GT>program. The communist party here has been captured in this manner,
 GT>a long time ago. They're now overwhelmingly black, despite 

I'm trying to work out how that "well-known feature" relates to the only party 
I ever belonged to - the Liberal Party.

It only lasted 15 years, and disbanded because it refused to become 
ethinically based when a law was passed that would have compelled it to do so 
or go underground. 

I was a member in Natal, and though its membership was strongest in certain 
geographical areas, and there were some areas with practically no members, it 
didn't seem to be dominated by any one ethnic group. Of course the communists 
always said it was a bourgeouis party, and so one might find some classes 
more strongly represented than others. I think if one looks at it that way 
the dominant group was that known to historians as the "kholwa" - blacks 
descended from those who had become Christians in the mid-nineteenth century, 
who were responsible for a great deal of the economic development of Natal 
between 1860 and 1890. After 1890, when white farmers gained political 
control, the kholwa were supressed and impoverished, and the process was 
hastened after Union, with the passage of the Natives Land Act in 1913, which 
was designed, among other things, to cripple the more efficient black farmers 
and to prevent them from competing with whites. In the 1950s and 1960s the 
remnants of this group were threatened with blackspot removals, and many 
joined the Liberal Party, which actively opposed the blackspot removal 
program. This led to several of its members being banned & detained. 

Class based, possibly, but ethnically based, no, I don't think so. Most of 
the black members were what the Chinese communists would call rich and middle 
peasants. 

= Steve



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From: andym@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Language help needed for Botswana
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:09:15 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Hello, 

I am a new user to the "news world" and I need a little help....

I need to know how to say "welcome" in language of Botswana (I know that 
might not be the appropriate term, but....).  

If anyone in s.c.a. can be of assistance, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks,

Lynn 
Internet: Lynnh@bvc.edu