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From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Another Jays Trade In Works
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:39:58 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul31.142601.6481@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>>
>	Blah!  Capable setup man for Henke?  Are you talking about the same
>Eichorn that the Jays traded away because he couldn't throw?  And hasn't
>done much better since then?  

Actually, he's talking about the Eichhorn (two aitches) that Toronto traded
away and who since then has had consecutive outstanding seasons for the 
Angels.

Trading away Ward would be stupid.  He's a lot better setup man then Eichorn.

Probably.  How stupid the trade would be depends on who you get for him, I
would think.  If they trade him to the Yankees for Bernie Williams, or to the
Rangers for Dean Palmer, or some such steal, it's probably not a bad idea.

| You can find me sitting at my desk
| drinking Earl Grey tea.

Well, that explains it!  Try some Grace Rare Tea Co. Lapsang Souchong, or
their excellent Formosa Oolong...


-- 
      David M. Tate      | From my dugout sleep I fell into the Game
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | And I crouched in the circle while my insides froze
 Randall 'Chico' Jarrell | One out from death, one hit from dreamt-of glory
"Death of a Pinch Hitter"| I woke to 'Strike One!' and the nightmare sliders...
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Reasonably priced good team
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:20:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.213254.23833@leland.Stanford.EDU> bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
>In an aside to the common practice of assembling (usually) high-priced
>`Dream Teams', my friend Juan and I today went about the task of
>creating what we thought was a pretty good team of reasonably priced
>players.  We thought that we would have to be careful and exclude players
>who are almost assured of getting enormous contracts shortly (i.e. Frank
>Thomas).  Our picks for the NL
>
>OF  Cory Snyder (dirt cheap)
>OF  Felix Jose
>OF  Otis Nixon

Nixon really isn't cheap (>$2 million/year) and Snyder really isn't that
good.  You will probably be better off with some young (read: not eligible
for free agency or even arbitration) outfielders here, like Larry Walker,
Moises Alou, Bernard Gilkey, Ray Lankford, Steve Finley, et al.)  Heck, I'd
think that Barry Bonds is reasonably priced.

>1B  Mark Grace (how much does he make?)

Probably too much.  IMO, the one to take here is Jeff Bagwell, despite the
sophomore slump.

>2B  Delino DeShields
>SS  ?

Good question.  Jay Bell, perhaps?  Maybe even Barry Larkin ($4 million?)
can be considered "reasonably priced"?

>3B  Anybody except Matt Williams is OK

Dave Hollins, IMO.

>C   Mike LaValliere

Again, some youngster might be better.  Oh, this is the NL we are talking
about.  I don't think there are any really young catchers, except Darrin
Fletcher.

>P   Bill Swift
>P   Kent Hill
>P   Bob Tewksbury

Steve Avery?  Pete Harnisch?  Greg Maddux?
>
>Do these sound reasonable?  What about the AL?

This is what I think:

C:	Chris Hoiles (when healthy)
1B:	Frank Thomas (*really* cheap)
2B:	Chuck Knoblauch
SS:	Travis Fryman
3B:	Edgar Martinez
OF:	Shane Mack
OF:	Juan Gonzalez
OF:	Albert Belle

Who would be some good pitchers to pick?

===============================================================================
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Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: bohy6489@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Shoot Harry - why waste the ammo??
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:58:14 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> 	Harry hasn't gotten a name right in years.  The most embarrassing of all 
> was when Rafael Palmeiro came up with the Cubs (in '86, I think - has it been
> *that* long?) and for the entire season, and the next season, too, Harry *always*
> said "Raffy Palermo."  It was just brutal.  If a homer like Harry can't get the 
> names of the guys on his own team right, I think someone (in authority) should
> tell the man to retire.  His best (better?  I don't know if he ever had best days)
> are way behind him.
> 
> P.S.  I don't particularly like Harry either.
> 
> -- Erick
> _____________________________________________________________________
>                                                 | 
> I tell myself, hey, only fools rush in          | Erick Rudiak
> Only time will tell if we stand the test of time| erude@nwu.edu
> And all I know, you've got to run to win        |____________________
> And I'll be damned if I'm left                  | "I'm not worthy..."
>     caught up on the line                       |      \o/      \o/
>     -- Van Halen, "Why Can't This Be Love"      | O__   \\  O__  \\
> ________________________________________________|_/__|__||__/__|_||__

Seems like Harry had a heck of a time with Hector Villanueva as well.  Most of
his first few times with the Cubs he called him Hector Valenzuela.

As much as no one likes Harry, a previous poster was right.  He is an
institution in Chicago, and not one to be gone too soon.  And he may be the
only person there who likes Bud *better* than Old Style...

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Jim Bohy                                        | "I am he as you are he as you
Graduate Student - Computer Science Education   |  are me as we are all
University of Northern Iowa                     |  together..." - J. Lennon
Cedar Falls, IA  50614                          |
bohy@att1.uni.edu                               |  by the above, I am myself
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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Cub's question
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:11:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I see that Mike Harkey started for the Cubs a couple of nights
ago.  Who did the Cubs drop from the roster to make room for 
Harkey?  Thanks in advance,

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: peirick_j@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RE: ARTIFICIAL TURF: EMBARASSMENT TO THE GAME
Date: 21 JUL 92 08:54:17 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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Earlier, IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) wrote...

(...yadda yadda yadda...)

>But this thing with artificial turf has to be examined.

I couldn't agree more.

>Why do the Cardinals, the Royals, the Reds, the Pirates, and the
>Phillies (all non-dome teams) elect to have artificial turf? If a
>team is not playing in a dome, then it has no business playing on
>anything but natural grass.

Can't speak for anyone but the Cardinals, but I called them after the football
team jumped town and asked them if, in view of the fact that Busch is now
a single sport facility, they would put in some grass.  The vice president
in charge of cranky fans told me that no, they would not.  He explained that
since the Cardinals deem themselves a regional team, with fans coming from
a several hundred mile radius, they could not dissappoint any fans who ventured
to St. Louis for a game with a rainout.  Artificial turf ensures rainouts will
be minimized.  It's a bad reason, but it's their story and their sticking to it.

Quick anecdote:  Rain delay here about three years ago.  Bob Costas and Mike
Shannon killing time during the shower.  Mike Shannon observes that since
the game is taking place on artificial turf with a new drainage system, the
delay after the rain stopped would be minimal.  Bob Costas responds that
yes it's true, and it's the beginning, middle, and end of the list of good 
things about artificial turf. 
--
 Jerome Peirick		| peirick_j@wums.wustl.edu |  Baseball has the great
 Dept. of Cardiology	|			   |  advantage over cricket
 Wash. U. Med School	|			   |  of being sooner ended.
 St. Louis, MO  63110	| Phone:  314-362-8112	   |	-George Bernard Shaw
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bo Jackson (was Re: How about 'em Braves)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:19:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 1765@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu, sauder@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (EY Sauder clyde jeffr (410) 290-6000) writes:
>medical friend told me that this type of joint degeneration comes from
>only one thing -- excess intake of steroids over many years.  And
>although this has not been widely reported in the media, this is the
>exact same condition that has ended Bo Jackson's athletic career.
>
>Are there any medical experts out there that can verify this?  Is this
>what really happened to Bo?  Enquiring minds want to know.

My college roomie is an othepedic surgeon specializing in sports medicine.
He works for the team doctor for the Mets & NY Giants.  According to him,
a hard blow to the hip was what caused the injury.  The blow ruptured the
blood vessels in the bone,  causing bone loss in the joint.  


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Andy Knipp  SE                |
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Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: 6 hits in inning without scoring
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 07:17:45 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico
Distribution: rec

In article <1992Jul30.102534.3231@cs.tu-berlin.de> ak@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Andreas Kutschera) writes:
>
>National League manager Jim Leland replaces Maddux with Marlins pitcher Joe
>Hesketh who is having a sensational year, but Butch Hobson counters with pinch
>hitting Rick Sutcliffe for Frank Thomas. Hobson later said in an interview that
>'Hesketh has never faced Sutcliffe. I wanted that extra element of surprise.'
>Surprise he gets, Sutcliffe gets a bunt single which is perfectly well
>executed. Bases loaded.
>
I'm sure Sutcliffe faced Hesketh before.  Probably in 1985.  Hobson is obviously
batty.

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) - kbos@carina.unm.edu - I'm not the AntiChrist
I AM a Junior Stathead.  Flame me; it's fun!  I'm a shutmouthed, selfless idiot!
Latest Attempted Compiler of the R.S.BB FAQ - Now Accepting Submissions...(hint)
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From: dgh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Doug Huffer)
Subject: Answers to more quiz questions   
Keywords: 1951 Baseball Encyclopedia  
Reply-To: dgh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.220045.23358@midway.uchicago.edu> dgh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>1. How can a batter drive in 3 runs without hitting a fair ball? 

With the bases loaded, having a fielder throw their glove at a foul
ball.  Or sacrfice fly, and everybody scores.    

>    
>2. Trick question. Bases loaded. Batter hits ball over centerfield fence, 
>yet not a man scores.  How?

Women's game ;-)

>
>3. What are the three "appeal" plays?    

I don't think anybody got this, but they are: Batting out of order, 
leaving a base too soon to advance on a fly ball, and failure to 
touch a bag while running. 

>
>4. Another trick question: Who played most years in the majors, Rogers 
>Hornsby or Babe Ruth? 

Trick question - Neither.  Hornsby played MORE seasons than Ruth, 
but Eddie Collins (in 1951) had played MOST years, 25.  Not sure who it is
now.  

>
>5. Which players had the same last name as the city of their birth? 

John and Wrren Ogden of Ogden, PA; Elmer Love of Love, MS; 
and Estel Crabtree of Crabtree, OH.  Not sure of any others since 
then. 

--
dgh2@quads.uchicago.edu     ||  Official Baseball Rules, Chapter 1 
                       From home base, measure 90 feet towards third 
base; from second base, measure 90 feet towards third base; the inter-
section of these lines establishes third base.   
From Baseballs Official Rules, 1992 edition.  Without permission, of course.
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Buffalo (Includes Red Sox rumor!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:25:45 GMT
Organization: NSSL

In article <oePLibS00WB444_2Z4@andrew.cmu.edu> al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
>Kevin Young has his average up to .293 with 16 doubles 3 triples and 7 home
>runs in 311 at bats.  No walk data.  Again, I think he must be on a pretty
>long hot streak since I can remember his average in the .220's back in
>May.  He may be a palatable solution at third base.

As an isolated data point, Young looked very good at the plate Monday night.
He was 3-for-3 with two walks.  He showed good patience and hit hard what he 
swung at.

Victor Cole pitched well for the most part.  One bad inning-double by Keith
Miller, walk to Maurer, and the final act in a curious series of encounters
with Balboni.  Balboni was in his first game back after missing a month
with viral meningitis and his timing seemed way off.  Cole had gotten to miss
change-ups by a couple of feet in each of the first two ABs (twice on one of
them) before getting him out on fastballs--the first a 400+ foot drive to
center and the second a towering pop-up that Balboni just got under and was
clearly upset not to have hit.  First pitch to Steve in the AB in the 6th
is a change-up that he is way out in front of.  (Looks just like the first
two ABs).  Then, Cole throws that that same fastball he'd thrown in the 4th
and a millisecond later it's about 25 feet above the top of the Marlboro
Man's hat on the ad above the left field wall.  Somebody (catcher Tom 
Prince or someone on the bench) should have banned the fastball to Balboni
long before the HR, but it cost Cole the ballgame.

Additional rumor that came out of a nice article on Rob Maurer in yester-
day's _Daily Oklahoman_:  Rob says that he's constantly hearing rumors
that he's going to be traded to various places.  The current rumor he's
heard is that the Red Sox are trying to acquire him.  Anyone from the Red
Sox contingent (Val???) hear anything about this from your end?  Maurer
would probably do extremely well in Fenway--left-handed line drive hitter
with some power who walks a lot.  (Actually, he might do well a number 
of places--Worrell for Maurer?  I like it.)

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks (NSSL, Norman, OK) hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
Officially self-employed, self-speaking
Andres Galarraga (Through 21 July)  .194 BA  .286 SLG  .234 OBA
27 H away from .300  6 HBP  3 BB
From: hera.uucp!dick1@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: re:  Flakes gone
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:34:00 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

Roger McDowell was a real nut when he pitched for the Mets,
although now that he pitches out in L.A. his flakiness
doesn't seem to stand out as much.

Oil Can, too, although he ain't around any more.
Plus Andy Van Slyke and Larry Andersen have had some amusing
things to say, and let's not forget Pascual Perez.


Dick V.
From: cayley.waterloo.edu!djohnson@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RP/PA for AL and NL (More bogus RP stats)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:06:00 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo
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In article <BrspAJ.9rF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu 
(Harold_Brooks) writes:
>In article <BrrqEL.3K7@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> 
djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>[Discussion about (R+RBI)/(Team runs scored) as measure of player deleted]
>> 
>>In most lineups a player is going to be used where he can best help his
>>team score runs.  Whether this is at the start of the lineup if the play 
has
>>high on base percentage or in the middle of the order if he has some power.
>>This stat shows how effective the player was in helping the team produce
>>runs.  If you wish this may be more effective to compare leadoff hitters
>>with others leadoff hitters and cleanup hitters with other cleanup hitters
>>etc. and i never said it was the perfect stat but RBI's and Runs depend
>>too much on the players hitting around him.  If you have improvements I
>>would love to hear them but if you just want to try and explain why it
>>isn't a good stat without improving it or giving suggestions on how to 
>>improve it then just say you don't like it and leave the discussion about
>>it.
>
>You aren't going to love to hear this, but I don't understand how you can
>take two numbers that "depend too much on the players hitting around him"
>and convolve them in any way to produce something that doesn't depend
>on the players around him...

But if the players around him don't give him the opportunities to drive
in more runs and don't knock him in then the total teams runs will not
be as high as well.  Thus a player on a team who is less productive can
be compared to a player on a team which is very productive.  

>...To improve it, I wouldn't use Runs and RBIs,
>but then you wouldn't have anything left.  As it is, the no. 3 and 4 
>hitters in any (rational) batting order will probably rank high in what
>you come up with, followed by 2 and 5, and 1 and 6.  

On most teams isn't the number 3 and 4 guys good RBI men who knock in
the number 1 and 2 guys who get on base a lot.  By this theory the number
1 and 2 guys score a lot due to high on base percentage and thus increasing
his ranking while the 3 and 4 guys knock him increasing his ranking as well.
By giving guys who hit in number 1-5 slots a higher ranking a good idea
because they are better players (Either Sluggers or people who get on base
a lot) as compared to hiters in 6-9 slots.  Do you ever wonder why Pat
Borders and Manny Lee hit 8 and 9.  It is because they are not a good of
hitters as Alomar, Carter and Winfield so it is logical to give them a
lower ranking.  

>
>Harold
>-- 
>Harold Brooks (NSSL, Norman, OK) hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
>Officially self-employed, self-speaking
>Andres Galarraga (Through 21 July)  .194 BA  .286 SLG  .234 OBA
>27 H away from .300  6 HBP  3 BB

--David Johnson
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ** WIFFLEBALL **
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


I play fairly often (all you need is a ball and bat!), though it's *real* hard
on your arm. We (brother and I) don't have a set field (we play in any old yard
or just against a garage or wall), for distances we just sort of say you "pitch
from here", past some point about 10' is a single, up to about 70' is a double,
around 70'-80', is a triple, and then a homer (all very rough). We have foul lines
and any hit <10' is an out. Also, if the pitcher (we usually play 1-on-1) fields 
a moving ball cleanly, we call that an out. We pitch from 30'-40' using whatever
is available for a plate and strikes and balls are called by gentlemen's agreement
or the catcher if we have 3 people. Sometimes we'll draw a square on the wall.
You can send away to the official wiffle ball rules but they seem pretty close to
what we've played. 

A local fraternity (in Davis, CA) had a wiffle ball tourney once, but I haven't seen
any since. Any information on tournaments in the Sacramento or Bay Area would be
greatly appreciated.

What kind of pitches do you throw and how do you throw them? I have a sinking 
screwball (thrown overhand with the vents to the left on a new ball, right for an
old one. I'm right handed) and a sweeping, rising curve (normal deliver, a little
above 3/4, vents to the right side of my grip on a new ball, opposite on an old).
I've toyed with a side-arm sinker (vents down) but it usually bounces in front
of the plate or hangs in the strike zone. My brother throws a sharply breaking
curve, vents out, thrown like a conventional curve. He also throws a "riser".
Thrown side-arm, vents up. the ball skims along the ground and jumps up into 
the strike zone. We still haven't figured out how to adapt hitting for
wiffleball.

Lately though, we've been playing IncrediBall. Same rules, but an IncrediBall is
more like a real baeball.

Michael Wong.
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From: heilig@crchh120.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Timothy Heilig)
Subject: Re: ARTIFICIAL TURF: EMBARASSMENT TO THE GAME
Organization: "Bell Northern Research"
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:21:26 GMT

lets not forget the good things about turf, 
like all the defensive plays that are made 
because you get a truer hop on turf, or
because you can run faster.  I know it 
can be hell on the knees, but I think
James ran a study a few years ago on 
whether turf shortened or elongated careers
and found that they were slightly longer.

                            Tim
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher M. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A *Sure* sign of the apocalypse...
Keywords: Email Huckabay for entry-level mid fi and hi fi equipment, cheap.
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:58:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <15668@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay) writes:
>Jim Acker - Boston's new #1 starter.

Hey, If Roger goes down (KNOCK!!!!! on wood) he's just as good as anyone ELSE
we have.

C Squared
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: WHAT SHOULD THE DODGERS DO???
Date: 24 Jul 1992 01:00:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

I too am a lifetime Dodger fan.
Here is what I would do.
Keep Karros.  Trade for a quality 2nd baseman.  I don't think
Young at Albuquerque is ready.
Keep Offerman.  He IS improving as you say.
Play Hansen every day...see what he can do.  He has been hitting
much better of late but probably needs to play every day.
Sign Eric Davis to a ONE year contract.  He is a free agent but
is having a bad year.  It behooves him to have a great year
prior to free agency.  A one year contract would be good for him.
Who knows...maybe he can yet put in a great year next year.
It may be worth that gamble.
Butler has come on but I don't think I'd protect him...he
will be even another year older next year...can he keep getting
those bunt singles?
Strawberry....I'd keep him and hope for the best with his back.

As for pitching...here we have some leverage in my opinion.
The Texas Rangers desperately need not one but at least
two relief pitchers.  McDowell, Howell, Candelaria, and Gott
are not GREAT, but all are better than any the Rangers have and
they would certainly have saved some of Nolan Ryans games earlier
this year when he left with large leads only to see his win disappear.
The Rangers are still within striking distance.  Claire should
be able to maximize trade value trading with the Rangers.

I'd trade for quality AAA players and maybe even AA players....
no more aging veterans.  And I'd throw in Crews...PLEASE
take him...anyone.
As for starters...I'd quickly part with Kevin Gross and
probably Bobby Ojeda if we could get someone good in return.
The Dodgers have Niedlinger (did real well in 1990), Kip Gross
(did real well starting against Montreal during the double headers), 
Astacio, and Martinez, all of whom could finish the year with
the team even if they aren't quite ready.
Orel "claims" his problems are that his arm is too strong.
I'd take a chance that he will get better next year.
Ramon seems to have either an attitude problem or just
very poor mechanics.  I'd also send him down to AAA until
he works out his problems.  He is causing too much harm
at this point.

Well, you asked to hear from other Dodger fans...that is
what I would do....oh, and one more thing...I'd fire
Fred "rotisserie league mentality" Claire and promote
Tommy Lasorda to the GM spot.
					Dodger

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