HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tanbh@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (HAPPY LUNAR NEW YR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: PUB, PWD, Neon Lights
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:04:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Wilfred Ling writes:

>What is the difference ? The ban was because of safety. The Power
>station obviously has high voltage in it. Why not ban the power station?
>
>Wilfred Ling 

A power station is a restricted place where people wear
hard hats and undertake the risk to work in that environment for the
reason why you can read this news.  Senoko station was not placed in
Admiralty for aesthetic reasons only; it was placed there for safety
considerations.

There is no relevance whether a power station should be banned compared to
neon lights which are a totally different matter altogether.

		Kindly be objective in arguments. 

cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes

>About the high voltage stuff...the electricity supply nation wide
>is in PUB's hand.  The only reason PWD is involved may be
>
>(1) for those neon light within the vicinity of its road (roadside)
>(2) for drive's safety (distraction)
>
>Hong Kong is famous for its sign boards and nean lights, but I 
>don't have the accident rate to make a comparison.  But if this
>is the reason behind the ban, ammm... I will disagree.  I think that
>Singaporean drivers are too protected...until some of my friends
>who can't even cope with the traffic in Johor Bahru.

Now THIS is an objective argument !


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: am5@cec1.wustl.edu (Avik  Mukherjee)
Subject: Curious American
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:10:21 GMT

I was wondering: Is it fairly easy to live in Singapore and know English only?
Can one get along well that way? I'm curious to know.

-Vic

am5@cec1.wustl.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Singapore?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:24:20 GMT

A. Yu (yu@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
: In article <1j813jINNodj@bodie.cs.unc.edu> liu@cs.unc.edu (Alan Ve-Ming Liu)
: writes:
: >In article <1993Jan15.212722.9012@pts1.pts.mot.com> Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.
: >com (Rick Granberry) writes:
: >>For us readers of Car & Driver the 0-60 
: >>mph acceleration time ratings of the cars would be disappointing.  
: >
: >Actually, given traffic conditions on most Singapore roads, any driver who 
: >elects to go from 0 to 60 mph in 10 seconds or less may well find himself 
: >suddenly going from 60mph to 0 in 1 second or less when he hits something,
: >and given traffic congestion at peak traffic hours, a Ferrari will take 
: >approximately the same time as a beat up clunker to travel the same distance,
: >with both losing out to the subway.
: >
: >Exerggeration?  Perhaps, but it feels that way sometimes.
: 
: Well? Singapore Driver are far surperb from HITTING SOMETHING. We have the
: best testing system, and I strongly believe our drivers aren't that bad.

Best testing system?? Yeah, you mean best money eaten system. I spent
about 2-3 thousands of dollars to get a license! Those who are poor may
wish to obtain a license 2-3 years from the day of learning. I know too
many friends of mine cannot afford that much money and so they took a
long cut and never obtain any license. Opps!! Don't get me wrong, I
spent thousands of dollars because I enrol in this nice Driving Centre
which is partly own by goverment. Apparently their school fee is at
least $50 bucks per 100min (this is the old rate I believe). I got my
license within 6 months of enrolment. Read between my lines!


: However, I still believes in the 60 to 0 theory, b'cos our traffice police
: are so efficient. Another consideration is that little VIEDO CAMERA by the
: traffic lights, RADAR GUNS, etc...  hee hee hee!
: So why try 0 to 60 in 10 sec.? It's hazardous to not only your live but also
: others.
: Be good and be patient, ok?
: ta-ta
: 
: Al...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: nechee@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Nai Ern ( Arthur ) Chee)
Subject: Happy Chinese New Year
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:39:36 GMT

	Hello anyone out there.  Happy Chinese New Year to all from University
of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.  
	
	May everyone have joyfull holiday and a prosperous year ahead 8-)

								Arthur Chee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt)
Subject: Re: Joke about Singaporean
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:47:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.040736.1254@nuscc.nus.sg>, tim@iss.nus.sg (Tim Poston) writes:

> ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt) writes:
> : Just for information, there is a movie on The Alamo, starring none other
> : than the Duke himself, John Wayne.  Pretty good movie, IMHO, although the
> : ending was rather sad because the Duke was killed.
> That's sad?
> 
> "They that live by the sword, perish by the sword."
> Nice when Hollywood gets that bit of karma right...

True, but I am one of those people who like their heroes/heroines to live, and
carry set off together with their sweethearts towards the sunset.

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|  University of Strathclyde       #  Rest of the World:                       |
|  Glasgow                         #           w.h.watt@vaxa.strath.ac.uk      |
|  United Kingdom                  #                                           |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: HDB application requirements
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:48:04 GMT

Chor Guan Teo (teo@cs.sfu.ca) wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: Does anybody on the net knows about the HDB requirements for single
: person applications ??  How can a single person < 35 yrs old get a HDB
: flat from the open market ??
: 
: thanks
Are you sure that singles can qualify for HDB flats? :)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: zwang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Xin1 Nian2 Jin4 Bu4, Wan4 Shi4 Ru2 Yi4
Reply-To: zwang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:31:45 GMT

In article <81380@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd033a@prism.gatech.EDU (Dedy Tando) writes:
>
>         I would like to apologize to those of you who have misinterpreted the
>
>words " HAPPY CHINESE CHICKEN NEW YEAR " and took it as a  gesture of insult. 
>
>
>         Allow me then, to rephrase it again.
>
>
>         HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR OF THE ROOSTER TO EVERYONE
>
>
      
         Looking up the dictionary, I found that "Rooster" means male chicken,
or " GongJi". I don't know why you want to say "Jinian " to be "Gongjinian" ?
So I think chicken is more suitable.
From: sn2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shih Ngiam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Help on ISDN
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:57:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sfMnfnu00WBM83oIEk
	<1993Jan22.170040.8118@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,
I've heard that Singapore has got an ISDN network. Could anyone please
tell me more about ISDN in Singapore? I'd like to know how well ISDN is
supported, whether it is worthwhile to have an email account on the
ISDN, how much are the connection charges, what services are provided. 

I'm interested in this because I'm planning to buy a Sun machine and
bring it back to Singapore. I can't decide between the LX and the
Classic. One has an ISDN port and the other doesn't. Since the price
difference between the two models is about $3000, I'd really like to
know if the extra cost is worth it before I invest.

Thanks.

Shijun 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: ghblee@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (H B Lee)
Subject: Re: Status of soc.culture.malaysia Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Followup-To: soc.culture.singapore
Organization: GINTIC Inst of Mfg Tech, NTU
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:53:17 GMT

HakLien Chua (c9b-ap@po.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> The CFV for soc.culture.malaysia hasn't been issued yet, and even if the
> organiser for the votes were done counting the
> and s.c.m'sia did actually
> pass, we would still need about two weeks to see it come up.

> So... unless you're willing to wait a month, we'll still have to use
> this newsgroup as our flaming ground.

Somehow, I have a feeling that this stuff doesn't have any relevance
whatsoever in this newsgroup.  Kindly keep it in SCA and not cross-post
it here.  Thank you.

- h.b.-
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: Lecturing Lecturers
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:51:36 GMT



We can't really  blame some of them. I have a econc lecturer from China
who speak good Chinese language but not so good English ( but I must say
her written English is very good in terms of handwriting and grammar).
What can she do?? We poor students have to learn to crack their secret
code....

Wilfred Ling
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: Don't Read This
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:35:24 GMT

cvadrgkw@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu wrote:
: -- 
: This is a test! Told you not to read this!
: ---
: BERNARD LIM
: Email: cvadrgkw@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu
: Phone: (818)912-1874


Kindly do your testing in newsgroup main for that. One of that is the

	alt.test

Anyway, I don't blame you. I had once an assignment on Internet. The
whole of the facutly in my year was doing it at the same time. Most of
us don't know any about Internet's Newsgroup. So everyone of us posted
test articles like you all over the place. Guess what? A famous
newsgroup for testing was alt.sex or sometime to that sort. Just
imagine, 500 of us doing testing. If everyone posted 2 test articles
which is a modest amount, then there were 1000 test articles posted
everywhere!! Of course the whole many people weren't happy. But what to
do??

Wilfred Ling

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (A. Yu            )
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Singapore?
Summary: Speeding?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:08:38 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1j813jINNodj@bodie.cs.unc.edu> liu@cs.unc.edu (Alan Ve-Ming Liu)
writes:
>In article <1993Jan15.212722.9012@pts1.pts.mot.com> Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.
>com (Rick Granberry) writes:
>>For us readers of Car & Driver the 0-60 
>>mph acceleration time ratings of the cars would be disappointing.  
>
>Actually, given traffic conditions on most Singapore roads, any driver who 
>elects to go from 0 to 60 mph in 10 seconds or less may well find himself 
>suddenly going from 60mph to 0 in 1 second or less when he hits something,
>and given traffic congestion at peak traffic hours, a Ferrari will take 
>approximately the same time as a beat up clunker to travel the same distance,
>with both losing out to the subway.
>
>Exerggeration?  Perhaps, but it feels that way sometimes.

Well? Singapore Driver are far surperb from HITTING SOMETHING. We have the
best testing system, and I strongly believe our drivers aren't that bad.
However, I still believes in the 60 to 0 theory, b'cos our traffice police
are so efficient. Another consideration is that little VIEDO CAMERA by the
traffic lights, RADAR GUNS, etc...  hee hee hee!
So why try 0 to 60 in 10 sec.? It's hazardous to not only your live but also
others.
Be good and be patient, ok?
ta-ta

Al...
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   _, /|,                Name   : Albert Yu                               
   \ o.O                         -Bo Chup King-
   =(___)=               Email	: yu@plains.nodak.edu	
      U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: lenny@iti.gov.sg (Lenny Lim Kiong Peng)
Subject: Re: BAN Smoking In Public Places (and chewing gum)
Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:51:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.170227.221@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> seow@kraft.ecn.purdue.edu (Aik Siong Seow) writes:
>Hey Lenny, save the money. Want me to get you some? I'm coming home in
>summer. Hope you are having fun in NCB!

Well, the truth is the chewing gum situation is not really that bad, since
everyone coming in brings some along :-) Malaysia seems to be very eager to
sell gum to Singaporeans there...

So I don't need the gum. But on the other hand, if you can somehow get a car
in, thats another story :-) :-)

Cheers!


Kiong Peng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (A. Yu            )
Subject: Re: Hourah  ! Democracy
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:30:58 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <llcg93INN4c8@earth.cs.utexas.edu> tph@cs.utexas.edu (Pow-Hwee Tan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan14.180001.21606@uxmail.ust.hk> ee_hflo@uxmail.ust.hk (Michael Lo Ho Fung) writes:
>
>>
>>	someone say that there are serial no. on each vote. It is possible to
>>check the vote a particular person. Is it ture ?
>>
>
>False.  Fingerprint on the ticket will do a better job.  :-).
>
>ph

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!  8-)
Very Funny.
Al...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Censorship
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:33:33 GMT

scip2124@nusunix1.nus.sg (MARC PAUL JOREF VAN LOO) writes:

[...]
>  Here in Singapore, the government has her own
>  reasons for censorship. These can sometimes be
>  irritating, but they are not unreasonable or
>  undebatable.
[...]

You are lucky to live under a government that you can trust so much.
Sadly, for me, I don't feel that I can trust my government (the USA)
enough to authorized it to censor what I can say, hear, read, and
write. You suggest that the value of censorship can be debated. I note
that this is not true if such debate is censored.

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES (to several US and Canadian documents)

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library/freedom-to-read.ala
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* Freedom to Read Statement -- American Library Association 
and Association of American Publishers.

It says in part: "We trust Americans to recognize propaganda, and to
reject it.  We do not believe they need the help of censors to assist
them in this task.  We do not believe they are prepared to sacrifice
their heritage of a free press in order to be "protected" against what
others think may be bad for them.  We believe they still favor free
enterprise in ideas and expression."

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* Intellectual Freedom Statement -- American Library Assoc

An interpretation by the American Library Association of the "Library
Bill of Rights"

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library/int-freedom.can
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* Intellectual Freedom Statement -- Canadian Library Assoc

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   gopher gopher.eff.org

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to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/library/freedom-to-read.ala
  pub/academic/library/int-freedom.ala
  pub/academic/library/int-freedom.can

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Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: isc20059@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH YEN LING)
Subject: Re: Neon Lights ***
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:59:32 GMT

LING SIEW WEE (eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg) wrote:
>What is the difference ? The ban was because of safety. The Power
>station obviously has high voltage in it. Why not ban the power station?
>
>Wilfred Ling 

As far as I can recall, no mention was made of safety.  The relevant
authorities felt it was spoiling the "beautiful" Singapore skyline and a
constant eyesore.  So it was mainly for "aesthetic" (I hope this is the
right spelling) reasons.

Considering that you're now IN Singapore, I should expect a higher level
of awareness regarding local issues that those abroad.  Confusing
rooftop billboards with _all_ neon signs, and a general inability to get
the facts straight is not a good way to start.  Especially when our
fellow Singaporeans abroad depends on us for first-hand news.


Alison

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Subject: Re: Neon Lights ***
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:07:59 GMT

In article <2B60A031.19208@news.service.uci.edu> cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.202424.12449@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, seow@kraft.ecn.purdue.edu (Aik Siong Seow) writes:
>|> Hey,
>|> 	I heard that the PWD is going to remove all the neon lights in
>|> Singapore so that they can promote a better "city-scape". Is that really
>|> true? Aw.....looks like I am going to miss these relics from the past...
>|> 
>|> ** Chris Seow **
>
>BORING....lets send those guys up there to Las Vegas for a while...might
>as well forget about the C'mas light up and CNY deco.  Anothing for our
>future generation of young lions to be "Sua Ku" about.  Hope this is 
>not true.
>
>
True! What good is a city without neonlights? Neons are part of a city
that help *make* it a city.......

MCR 1/22/93

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Differences between Singaporen Cantonese and Hongkong Cantonese ?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:17:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.075700.16286@nuscc.nus.sg> elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr)) writes:
>Yes, in Mandarin.  But I've seen it called `Taiwanese' in English
>publications from R.O.C.  Perhaps there is a R.O.C. person who can clarify
>for us?

     It is also called "TAI WAN HUA" in Mandarin.  I speak Taiwanese at home.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: A plea to all you good Malaysians out there
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:08:31 GMT

c9b-ap@po.berkeley.edu (HakLien Chua) writes:

> So... unless you're willing to wait a month, we'll still have to use
> this newsgroup as our flaming ground.

Geez Chua - good of you to drag us (Singaporeans) into this flamin' ground of 
yours. Please see where you post or follow-up to. Actually the discussion on 
Malaysia's Sultanates can be very interesting for all - but once Othman bin 
Ahmad comes into the picture - the discussion will be warped beyond repair. So 
I urge you please don't follow up any of Othman's discussions onto s.c.s. 

-----------

Darn!!!! Just when I thought I will never see Othman again! 



v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber)
Subject: Re: Memory chips in Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:36:57 GMT

Yi-Shin Wu (wuys@cs.rpi.edu) wrote:

: A fellow student asked me where in Singapore is a good place to
: buy chips (not potato, but computer...specifically memory chips).

KNGSTON in Sim Lim Square has a very wide variety of memory modules,
esp. SIMMS (1 MB S$40 to 50). Try them

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr))
Subject: Meaning of `Sekali'
Keywords: Sekali Singlish English Malay
Organisation: National University of Singapore
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:13:51 GMT



                                      27th Jan. 93
Can I just get some response about a Singlish word `sekali', sometimes
spelt `scully'.  This I take to be of Malay origin, but in Malay it means
`once' (> se = satu = `one' + kali = `time').  This is obviously not the
sense in which it is used in Singapore English, e.g.

     Sekali he come in, he'll kill me.
     I smiled at her.  Sekali she thinks I'm interested in her, gone case.

Can you give an appropriate gloss to the word?  What are its origins?

                                    Peter Tan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore