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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:29:21 GMT

Also on the Nightwing/Starfire/Mirage thing, Why would marriage end it?
It just adds a new dimension that Mirage will need to deal with(ie. possible
interesting story line)

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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,news.groups
Subject: Re: SPLIT: Proposed charter and poll
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:23:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <lis.703425597@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>michaele@nsg.nsg.com.au (Michael Edwards) writes:
>>NOW is the time to discuss this - it makes sense to split rec.arts.comics.
>>	rec.arts.comics.manga
>>	rec.arts.comics.misc
>>	rec.arts.comics.super-heroes
>Sounds good--two changes, though...
>Make r.a.c.s into .superheroes or .superhero.  No hyphen.  I prefer
>the latter (we are discussing "superhero comics")
>
>Add rec.arts.comics.reviews.  Possibly moderated.
>What do others think of this?

	I'd add r.a.c.cards or something like that to draw off discussion of
trading cards and other merchandising....


-- 
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From: comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott)
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:58:45 GMT

> 	- It would explain Gambit/Witness's silence, as he may not wish
> 	  to point out his former girlfriend as the Judas.

I *know* I'm setting myself up for flames by asking a question that will be
1) *Stupid*
2) FAQ ?
to many people.

Please forgive me.

I seem to have missed something somewhere... Many people talk about the 
Witness as the Gambit of the future. Where/when were we told this? I can't 
remember seeing it anywhere in a comic.

*cringe*

S W C Esq.
From: bbs-vampire@jwt.UUCP (Aaron Leitch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: more on 2099
Date: 5 Apr 92 05:42:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: jwt.4PTqiB4w164w
Organization: The Matrix

Just my two cents of info that you probably already have:

In 2099, humanity has actauly progressed to the point that super heroes 
and mutants are nothing.  Even mundane.  So, the heroes of the future 
have to be about 100 times greater than the current ones.  Also, they 
will stand on their own.  Marvel is going to try and resist the urge to 
time travel.  The titels are Rampage, Punisher, Spiderman, and Doom.  
Rampage is new, and Doom is the same Doom we know and love today, he's 
still alive!  Spidey and Punisher have no relation to the origonals.


Good evening, this has been

  \    /
/\/\  /\/\
    \/ AMPIRE                "You're eating maggots, Michael.
                                How do they taste?"
                                    David in _The Lost Boys_
From: jcastle@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Bob Newhart to portray comic creator
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:42:46 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr7.170057.529@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) writes:
> According to today's Boston Globe, Bob Newhart will be doing a
> sitcom for CBS next season in which he'll portray the creator
> of a comic book hero called "Mad Dog". Look for a name change
> when Marvel's lawyers realize they have a character named Mad
> Dog, namely Patsy Walker's ex-husband most recently seen
> in SHIELD.

	I don't think they'll change the name,  DC also
has a character called Mad Dog, who was a vigilante who
went undercover and (I believe) took orders from a
couple of organizer/insiders.  He appeared in
Action Comics Weekly and got his own mini-series
(probably available at the bargin bin near you-
check your local ...) {you saw that coming?! darn)

	Is there an independent publication with a
hero (or villain) called Mad Dog?

Yours Sincerly, (correct me if I'm wrong)
	Julian Castle

DEATH TO TYPOS!
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: adamantium	-IT CAN BE BROKEN!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:41:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.160329.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>For that matter, Wolverine's bones are described as 'laced' with it (contrary
>to John Byrne's drawing of the blasted skeleton in the future, which looks
>more 'robotty'), and 'lace' it could be.  If it's unbreakable, a thin wire
>running along the bone, with maybe a cap/cup at the joint should be sufficient.
>His bones would get crushed by impacts, but then you avoid the medical problems
>of having no real bone:  no white blood cells.  Besides, he heals fast.
>
>Please take the last paragraph with a big :^P
>I don't believe any of it.
>
A favorite pet theory of mine concerning the nature of Wolverine's bones
(strangely supported by the Weapon X storyline, which I liked quite a bit)
was that the adamantium amalgam was attached to isotopes of strontium, and
fed directly into the bones.  As is the case in the "real" world, strontium
readily takes the place of calcium.  This was the point of all those tubes
running out of him, and "FEED" intoning throughout.  Because he has the 
healing factor, this is one of those times it actually HURT him.  With
a ready supply of strontium avaliable, his body quickly replaced old calcium
with new adamantium laced strontium, until he had a LOT of it in him.  
Note that the lab tech were surprised by the spped at which the reaction was
taking place, as well as the amount of adamantium-(strontium) he was consuming.
In a normal human, calcium-calcium transfer in bones is very slow, and 
would never be very "deep."  With Wolverine, almost his entire skeleton was
replaced.
	After the replacement, the resin is added, and the adamantium bonds
into the current matrix.  At that point, having the shape and structure
of a skeleton, it dislodges the strontium (adamantium no longer being reactive
with much of ANYTHING).  Clean living eventually flushes out the strontium,
and calcium fills in the gaps.  Meanwhile, his skeleton is still very much
adamantium.
	Yeah, it's pseudoscientifical, but neat, no?
-- 
Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of a Bunch of Stuff tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Why would you think a priest any more moral than the rest of us?  Heavens
 sake's child, why do you think they're called 'Father?'"
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From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Tzan Tzu -- Zen master of Origami Fighting Fish)
Subject: Re: Yes, Its Another Late Terman Reviews (Cerebus, Steed & Mrs. Peel)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 00:32:55 GMT

mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.181325.3084@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>>>Cerebus #156

>>One thing which no one has mentioned, from the letter's page -- I think Sim
>>implied that this particular storyline was going to go on until sometime in
>>November, 1994 or 1995, I forget which.  Did I read that right?

>Okay, Sim stated in an interview, that each of the following books will
>bee an allegory for the corresponding book in the first half of the total
>run. That is, this first part of Mothers and Daughters will be an allegory
>for the original Cerebus run. Which means this sucker is going to run for
>about twenty five issues or so, though Sim may be more flexible about the
>length of each segment. So 1994 seems like a reasonable endpoint.

Why don't you try reading Cerebus 156, eh?  Mothers and Daughters runs
through issue 200 and will finish up in late 1995.  This is mentioned
TWICE.  Once on the first page (inside cover) and once in the letters.


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:51:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.s=sjq4c.dani
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler):
>Anyone else got any Marvel lines that they're sick of hearing?

"There will be a small increase in the prices of some of our comics..."

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   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker
From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Scotty B at UWEC)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL:Deathlok
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:01:55 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Apr8.125008.1678@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, vanor@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
> I think whoever wrote "deathloc - ?" needs some serious help personly I am
> sick of these so called "heros" who when they are faced with a problem that 
> they can't overcome they kill it.  Then along comes Deathloc who says that "you
> must do what is right not what is easest" to me that is what makes a real hero 
> and real man, someone who will stand up for what is right no mater the cost
> (see isu 7).  I think it's about time that Marvel has brought back a hero with 
> some morals and isn't going out on a Killing spree.
> 
> Vanor - " With great power comes great responcabilty " Spider-man
I agree completely, but then why can't deathLok have his _own_ book? I mean
look at all the guest stars he's had. X-Men,Ghost Ridder,F.F.,Punisher.
Is there some problem that he can't have more than an issue to himself? I
thought that the Deathlok mini-seris was spectactular but the guest stars and
lack of charactor in the ongoing book is killing the title IMHO.

Scotty B
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics, was Re: Superman: Republican or Democrat?
Date: 3 Apr 92 16:58:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybernet.RoZNiB3w164w
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

askim@pomona.claremont.edu writes:

> In article <10946@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick 
> > In article <1992Mar31.031735.10509@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> acadams@aplcen (Arth
> >>I've always suspected that's why the
> >>major companies never show the president directly. They
> >>don't want to risk that kind of embarrassment again.
> > 
> > 	But they have shown presidents.  Reagan appeared in Legends,
> > and Booster Gold.  Bush appeared in Suicide Squad/Checkmate.
> > 	Heck Carter even appeared in an issue of X-men right before
> > Phoenix died. (he was calling the Avengers asking where the hell the
> > Avengers were with Dark Phoenix flying around the solar system)
> > 	Of course, the best appearance was by Danny Q. in the 'Madman'
> > issues of Hawk and Dove.  He got infected by the Madman virus he accidental
> > set loose.  Very funny stuff.
> Also, George "Stay the course" Bush was in X-Men 1, talking to Nick Fury
> 
> This newsreader is fucked; excuse the messiness of this post.  Anyways, Georg
> "Stay the course" Bush appears in X-Men 1, talking to Nick Fury about Asteroi
> M.
>                                                                       

Marvell has shown the president since at least the 70's (when Deathlok I 
tries to kill Carter at his inaugeration). DC often showed the president 
from the back. The first time I recall seeing a presidents face in DC was 
Batman and the Outsiders 14, where he was at the 1984 Olympics.


Dascoser
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Random thoughts on Wolverine and Bishop (Re: X-Man Traitor)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:06:34 GMT

Claremont said years ago that Wolvie was around 60 and Sabretooth was around 120
This was due to their healing-factors making them age slower. This is sorta the same idea behind Apocalypse's immortality.
 now this was back when S.tooth was Wolvie's father.  S.tooth WAS designed to be
Wolvie's father.  The changing of the storyline was essentialy a F**K you to
Chris.

As for Bishop,  It doesn't matter if he's popular w/ the fans or not
Bob "I can f**k up a book worse then Lobdell" Harris pretty much created
Bishop, so Bishop is now a major good guy (just like cable)

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to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:50:10 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Apr4.140438.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

|> 2. What else have McKean or Gaiman done? I've got Black Orchid, but that's it.
|> I heard references to something called the Books of Magic, as well as the Cages
|> series. Any opinions/facts on/about these or anything else done by these two
|> geniuses?
|> 

Gaiman and McKean first (I believe) worked together on a short story called
Violent Cases about a child who visits Al Capone's osteopath (?). I enjoyed
it. The format is about the same size as the 2000AD collections and I think
it was recently re-vamped with new cover art (at least in the UK). I don't
know who published it off hand. You probably know this but Gaiman also wrote
a novel with Terry Pratchet called `Good Omens'.

			Rob.

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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Thor update
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:06:57 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr13.050342.5295@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:

>I know that people ask for updates all the time, but this is my first and only,
>so give me a break.  If someone has a lot of extra time on their hands and would like to e-mail me an update on what's been going on with Thor, esp. what      
>happened with Loki, and what's going on with three or four Thors, I'd be most
>appreciative.  If not, c'est la vie.
>Joe 
>-- 
>Joe Zell               *  Life is a gift only God can give. 
>zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  *  Sometimes God's children should be seen and not heard.
>CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!    *                -Petra


Me too, please.
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From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr9.055522.16897@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)

Spoilers and I mean the comic being spoiled as well as the
tradional meaning of Spolier ahead

> In article <QdskzbW00VpaJ=P11y@andrew.cmu.edu> js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith) writes:
> >> I think the issue after the issue where Shvaugh becomes a man.
> >Excuse me? EXCUSE ME!!!
> >What in God's name is there justification for this?
> >I'm really confused.

> It has to do with fan suspicions that Element Lad is gay.  Paul Levitz decided
> to falsify those suspicions by giving him a girlfriend (Shvaugn), so this
> was invented in order to fix things up and make him at least bisexual....

No. Paul Levitz decided to correct some fans belief he was gay
by giving Jan a girlfriend.

Giffin and the bunch are breaking the character (if this is true)
by this stupid act.


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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: META:  Saving Grace of all this crap
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 05:12:31 GMT

I'm usually glad that the school term is ending, but I'm more happy than ever
for one simple reason:

Most of the Marvel/Liefeld/X-Whathaveyou fans will disappear for four glorious
months, and the signal:noise ratio will reduce considerably.

Don't give me the old "if you want to talk about it, write about it" salt.
There ain't nothing anyone can do about other posters except wait.

The hour hand counts down.

Direct flames to alt.go.away.little.boy.

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From: jbb9+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Michael Borlinghaus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-Men Question
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:59:57 GMT
Organization: Freshman, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I remember a way back during the X-Men's Australian stint that they gained the 
ability to avoid detection on most electronic scanning equipment
(security cameras, can't remember what else because my collection is at
home). Has there been any mention of this power recently or is another
forgotten chip of continuity.

------------ Moose
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 23:45:01 EDT
From: <ST02183@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
 <6APR199218590717@rigel.tamu.edu> <1992Apr7.185716.17967@njitgw.njit.edu>
 <1992Apr8.013506.17677@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>

I've noticed the one about the psychic knife. Not only is it annoying,
it's stupid. Why waste time explaining it, just use it.
 It could be worse. Ever read old LSH stories from the 50's and 60's
(yeah, the "classic" ones). Each character always began by saying
"I Cosmic Boy, will use my control over magnetism to stop that runaway
train" or "I Saturn Girl will use my mind-reading powers to make them
think this is good writing even though the author is only 15 years old."
(Just kidding, no flames necessary.)
Jason-st02183@auvm (Long Live the Legion!)
From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Nomad #1
Date: 4 Apr 92 00:33:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr4.003337.1163
Organization: Amherst College

bbs-vampire@jwt.UUCP (Aaron Leitch) writes:
: mwhitney@mtholyoke.edu (Merry Death) writes: [<--This is actually dethomas]
: > Bucky is the most utterly unbelieveable character I have ever seen. Nomad is
: > jumping around with many, many bullets being fired in his direction, with the
: > kid on his back in one of the stupid backpack carriers and the kid QUIETS DOW
: > when this starts? Give me a goddamn break!!!! This is the most stupid idea I
: > have seen in a long while. 
: 
: A young child wouldn't know that he was in danger from the bullets.  
: Therefore, the only thing left to make it cry would be the loud noises.  
: Why is it not possible that Bucky is already an exceptional human being?  
: Loud noises may not scare her, and all the jumping around may calm her 
: down much like driving a normal kid around in a car will calm them down.  
: Not to say that it would put the kid to sleep, but maybe the kid is just 
: so fascinated at the world turning over its head and such that it quiets 
: her down (it is a her, isn't it?).  

First, a question: have you ever had a gun fired in your vicinity? I
mean a real gun, like one of those shoutguns being used so blythely in
Nomad. Those thigs make one of the loudest noises I have ever heard, and
I refuse to believe than any small child can find the experience of
multiple loud explosions in her immeadiate vicinity as well as being
thrown around straped to someone's back calming. I've been around way
too many children to believe that. Besides, if this weren't the marvel
universe, the kid woulda gotten tagged ages ago! No one gets shot at
that many times from that close range without getting at least nicked. 
My basic point is that the comic is trying to give a grim-and-gritty(tm)
realistic feel to the book, and throwing Bucky into the deal was just
damn stupid because it blows any chance of the story being accepted as
"real," however small those chances were initially.

: Personaly, I think that we have quite 
: a superhero in the making.  Just think, this character will have had 
: heroing experience from day one, instead of being thrown dramaticaly into 
: it unexpectedly (i.e. Spiderman, Ghost Rider, etc.)

As I think somone already mentioned, this is the marvel universe.
Franklin Richards has been like 7 years old for how long???? I wouldn't
count on having a new hero anytime during our lifetimes!!! :-)

later days!
--dt

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