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From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: TVP
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:34:29 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BxGHM5.C92@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul) writes:
> Does anyone in the Chicago area know of a good health food store where I can
> buy vegetarian breakfast foods?  I am interested in the TVP products.  I saw
> a cookbook with recipies using veggie sausages, bacon and something similar
> to veal??  Of course I forgot the name of the cookbook but it said I could
> find these products in most large grocery stores.  Well, not the old
> Dominicks or Cubs I can't.  Also, I saw a commercial for ADM products and
> they were advertising a veggie burger called the harvest burger.  I didn't
> catch the 800 number, I think it stands for Auther Daniels Midland Companies.
> Does anyone have any information on their food lines?

One cookbook that contains a lot of tvp recipies, for new vegetarians, 
is "Linda McCartney's Home Cooking", by Linda McCartney (with a little
help from Peter Cox...), published by MPL Communications, distributed
by Little/Brown in the US. It has a lot of dairy in it, but you can 
cut the cheese and use tofu or soy cheese, and soymilk for milk, if 
you prefer to have no dairy. 

Harvest Burgers, but Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), should be available
in the frozen food section of your local supermarket (since they've
reached the store 2 blocks from my house, I assume they've gotten
to Chicago). They will also mail order dried tvp at 1-800-8-flavor. 

Worthington Foods also makes a lot of burgers, "sausage" links, and 
so forth. Found also in the frozen food section under "Morningstar
Farms". These do contain egg whites. 

In your health food store, you should also be able to find dried 
tvp granules (you add them to sauces or chili), and also Heartline
Meatless Meats has flavored tvp chunks.     


I've been a vegetarian for a long time (about 5 years), so I don't
use these products because I crave meat. More, I use them because
they are convenient for quick meals if I've been working late. Even
the North American Indians used to make patties out of beans instead of
hunting, so I don't have any ethical problems of eating burgers made
from soybeans.  

On the radio this morning an agricultural reporter was talking about
the benefits of tvp and other soy products for providing humanitarian
relief, since these products are easily transportable and provide
quality protein. I hope this potential use can be explored further. 
For example, tvp could be shipped into Bosnia now, and would be able
to be saved until needed (around January, when the snow will cut off
the roads to Sarajevo). 



-Mary Howard








Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: coleman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michele Coleman)
Subject: Re: Freezing Tofu
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:00:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.005611.10616@sequent.com> mkay@sequent.com (Mary Kay Petersen) writes:
>                                       It works best if you remove
>the tofu from the water it is packed in then put it in a freezer
>bag.  I let the tofu thaw overnight in the refrigerator.  I press
>the tofu to remove as much water as possible by wrapping it in a
>couple of paper towels and putting it between two plates weighted 
>down with some heavy (like a canister of flour) for 1/2 hour.

Do you drain the water, freeze, thaw, then press?
Or drain & press, freeze, then thaw?

I really want to get this right, because my last attempts at freezing
tofu haven't worked out very well, but I like that frozen-tofu texture.


--Michele Coleman
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: American Celebrity Vegetarians
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:42:46 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <tara.721154127@starburst.umd.edu> tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott) writes:
>
>Elmira, Linea Quigley (of horror film fame), River Phoenix (vegan),
>Madonna (vegan I think, but can't be certain).  There are tons of
>other people.  As soon as I think of them I'll post their names.
>Elmira and Linea Q. both support the Animal Rights movement as well. 
>

Kim Bassinger is quite vocal in the AR movement. 

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Melody Paul)
Subject: Re: A Quick Breakfast
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:56:28 GMT

Does anyone in the Chicago area know of a good health food store where I can
buy vegetarian breakfast foods?  I am interested in the TVP products.  I saw
a cookbook with recipies using veggie sausages, bacon and something similar
to veal??  Of course I forgot the name of the cookbook but it said I could
find these products in most large grocery stores.  Well, not the old
Dominicks or Cubs I can't.  Also, I saw a commercial for ADM products and
they were advertising a veggie burger called the harvest burger.  I didn't
catch the 800 number, I think it stands for Auther Daniels Midland Companies.
Does anyone have any information on their food lines?
-- 
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Technical Editor		Fax:      708/534-2042
Educational Computing Network	Internet: xmpp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
University Park, IL 60466	BITNET:   xmpp@ecnuxa
From: barman@jackson.cs.unc.edu (Dilip Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Hummus recipes
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:59:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill



I want to experiment with making my own variations on hummus and want to
start off with a good recipe.  If you have a recipe, please email me a 
copy.  I imagine it's quite easy and probably involves food processing
together tahini, garlic, and sesame paste, and putting some paprika (what
is paprika, by the way?  It looks pretty but I haven't discerned any strong
flavor to it) on top.  Thanks.

-- 
  Dilip Barman
  Dept. of Computer Science:		Home:			
  University of North Carolina		5129 Oakbrook Drive
  Sitterson Hall 365, CB 3175		Durham, North Carolina 27713-8005
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Joking? (was Re: Conclusions about Ted Altar
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:46:03 GMT
 <1992Nov11.194916.20513@u.washington.edu> <1992Nov12.063839.20343@abo.fi>
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <1992Nov12.063839.20343@abo.fi>, abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.194916.20513@u.washington.edu> twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
>>
>>Abhay Bulsari informs me 
>>
>>>You don't count.
>>
>>
>>I see. 
>>
> 
> You people are really humour impaired.   You have  to  see a smiley or
> hear someone laughing before you know that it was supposed to be joke.
> I don't use  smileys and expect people to understand a joke as a joke,
> which is clearly the case here.  Who am I to decide who counts and who
> does not ?
> 
> It  takes some tenacity  to survive  on  this newsgroup  and sensitive
> people will have a hard time unless they  learn  to ignore things they
> don't like or don't understand. 
> 
> Abhay
> 
I think that I finally understand!  It's *all* a joke! When he says, 
"the single most important poster", obviously he is not the one to 
decide (see above quote), so he is joking about it.  When he says 
that Michael Traub was the single most important poster, that's a 
joke.  When he says that he is a vegetarian, he is joking.  
Everything he says is just a big joke.  He is really just pretending, 
and is actually trying to drive all the serious vegetarians *away* 
from this group by putting out irresistable flame bait.  He is really 
in the pay of those omnivores who are trying to take over this topic 
and convert all of the vegetarians here into meat eaters.

:-)

See, now you can't flame me back because I put a smiley in!

:-)
From: kbroman@tinman.Berkeley.EDU (Karl W. Broman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: What is nutritional yeast?
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.44914
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley

In article 234@bnr.ca, mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:
> I've avoided most recipes with nutritional yeast but now my 
> curiousity has gotten the best of me.  Is it a flavouring or
> more of a thickener or what?

I use it solely for its flavor.

There's nothing better than popcorn smothered
with nutritional yeast!

yum yum yum

--karl
From: rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Lactose in milk...
Date: 4 Nov 92 11:22:21 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <altar.720678106@sfu.ca>, altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
> Debra writes:
> 
>>Can anyone out there please tell me how much lactose
>>is contained in an average serve of cow milk.
> 
> I don't know precisely, but I assume that most, if not all,
> of the carbohydrate in cow's milk is in the form of milk
> sugar, namely lactose.  In fact, lactose is naturally found
> only in milk.  Lactose is composed of galactose linked by
> a beta glycosidic bond to glucose.  Now, on this assumption
> that all of the carbohydrated (carb) in milk is in the form
> of lactose, then the following answers your query.
>  
>                    water     protein    fat    carb   energy
>                      g          g        g      g      kcal
>  
> 100g of
> whole milk          87.8       3.2      3.9     4.8    66
>  
> skim milk           91.1       3.3      0.1     5.0    33
>  
>            (from McCance & Widdowson's THE COMPOSITION OF
>                 FOODS, 5th ed., 1991).


FYI on the composition of milk: (average content)

	Water  87.2%
	Fat    3.7%
	Solids - not fat   9.1%
		This includes:  Protein  3.5%
				   - Casein  2.8%
				   - Lactalbumin and lactoglobulin 0.7%
				Lactose  4.9%
				Minerals 0.7%

That's the major stuff.  But there is a a laundry list of other
things (somatotropin, IGF's, etc.) that occur at extremely low concentrations.

All of these will vary, of course, depending on stage of lactation,
overall body condition (how fat), general health, nutrition, etc.

Rick Hoffman.

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From: avi@seal.imagen.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A beginner's guide to vegetarianism
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: avi@seal.imagen.com
Organization: none

The following is not a flame, since I myself am a vegetarian, but 
I'd like to set the facts straight:

>	Why should you consider becoming a vegetarian?  For one thing,
>there are  very good health reasons.  First, the most common cause  of
>death in the  U.S.  is by heart attack.  Whereas  the average American
>man is at a 50% risk, a vegetarian male has only a 4% chance.

What kind of vegetarian are we talking about ? ovo-lacto, lacto, ovo, or vegan ?
Also, has there ever been any research done  comparing "low-fat" meat-eating-based
diet with (any) vegeterian high-fat diet, as far as health benefits and risks ?
Judging from quite a few vegetarian cookbooks recipes, many are loaded with fats,
oils, nuts, seeds, and animal-based fats (dairy products and eggs for non-vegans) 


No doubt, that cutting meat, fish and seafood out of your diet will reduce the
intake of saturated fat and dietary cholestrol, but you can stil gobble up
cheeses, ice cream, omlettes, cakes, etc. and be equally at risk. (Not to mention
that it is possible to live off junk-food and be vegetarian: tortilla chips, coke,
candy, etc.)

>Altogether,  more than 50% of current tropical rain forest destruction has been
>directly linked to raising  livestock.  

I recently saw a PBS special about the rain forest. Turns out that in spite of 
all the big environmental outcry about the destruction of the rain forest, 
more than 90% (yes, ninety percent) of the original forest still exists.
Further, the number one reason for destruction is land-development, buildings,
and industry. Where did you get the figures about raising livestock, and how
recent (and updated) are they ?

>	As animal lovers, the most important moral reason is realizing
>that eating animals is a form of animal abuse.

I have a few problems with this reasoning: while not denying that eating animals
is indeed animal abuse, there are many other forms of animal abuse. Will you kill
a cockroach in your kitchen ? this is just one example of animal abuse, commonly
being over-looked by "moral" vegetarians.

As well, what about plant-abuse ? if you think plants (veggies, fruits, trees,
etc.) are NOT alive - please read the "secret life of the plants" (hope that's
the correct title, but in anyways its close enough) to see that not only their
life but their intelligence was scientifically established. 
Eating a cucumber is killing a living, feeling organism, whether you realize it
or not.   You can even go one step further, to killing (unintentionally perhaps)
every second of thousands of germs and other micro-organisms ....

I am all for a vegetarian diet as it is much better health-wise, better chance 
to solve world-hunger, etc. But beware of Moral reasons, because then you're
stepping into uncharted territory: how far do you extend your compassion ?  
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abulsari@abo.fi (Abhay Bulsari VT)
Subject: Re: Status of vegetarianism in Australia - comments
Organization: Abo Akademi University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:13:50 GMT

In article <1dcb49INNam0@pollux.anu.edu.au> drew@cs.anu.edu.au (Drew Corrigan) writes:
>(I'm thinking of "Power of your Plate", "A Vegetarian Sourcebook", "Nutrition
>for Vegetarians", "Vegan Nutrition: Pure and Simple", "Diet for a New
>America", and books by McDougall.) In fact, I've learned *far* more from
>this newsgroup (thanks Ted, Ferrell, Abhay, etc) than any other source.

Please put Michael Traub there. It is he who did  much  of  the typing
in, from which I am posting.  He did collect  some postings which were
originally from Ferrell Wheeler.

With regards,

Abhay
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: esi001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dicky-Jim)
Subject: vege meals for two........please.
Followup-To: esi001@uk.ac.cov.cck  ( Richard Dobson )
Organization: COVENTRY UNIVERSITY , Coventry , UK.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:31:12 GMT


Hi , I'm looking for some vege meals for two people , preferably on a student
budget but also a few really nice " seduction supper " type meals would be
great. The reason.....Well the girl I love is in University 100 miles away
from me and when we do get together I want to be able to make us some nice
meals.

				Taa very much.

						Richard.


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From: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Recipe: vegetarian mincemeat
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:19:05 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.27

Denise Dankert asked for a vegetarian mincemeat recipe,
and I decided to post mine, since it may be of general interest.
It is not only vegetarian but also nonfat (until you put it
in piecrust, of course) and with no refined sugar.  It is
taken, without permission, from the book Canning and Preserving
Without Sugar, by Norma M. MacRae.

3 cups coarsely ground apple pulp (including some skins)
1/2 large lemon, coarsely ground, including peel
1 medium orange, coarsely ground, including peel
1 cup coarsely ground seedless raisins
1 cup whole seedless raisins
1 cup currants
2 teaspoons cinnamon
3/4 teaspoon nutmeg
3/4 teaspoon cloves
3/4 teaspoon allspice (optional)
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons flour or 1 tablesppon arrowroot flour
1/4 cup date sugar (optional)
1/3 cup brandy or rum or 1 1/2 teaspoons rum flavoring

Quarter and core apples, but do not peel.  Grind in old-fashioned
meat grinder (food processor makes them too fine) using
medium-coarse blade.  Remove seeds from lemon and orange, grind,
and add to apples, using medium blade.  Grind 1 cup raisins.
Mix all ingredients except brandy in large bowl, stirring in
species and flour, then date sugar if desired.  Add brandy or
rum flavoring and mix again.  Place in covered bowl or other
container with tight lide; refrigerate at least two days.  A
week's aging is not too much.  Makes 1 quart.  (The recipe says
this is enough for 2 pies, but I find it is just right for
one 9-inch pie.)

(And for Denise's mother, 1/4 cup equals 3 diabetic fruit exchanges.)

Jane Colman       JLColman@lbl.gov
From: jwhwang@eos.ncsu.edu (JOAN WU HWANG)
Subject: request: thanksgiving desserts
Originator: jwhwang@c00532-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jwhwang@eos.ncsu.edu (JOAN WU HWANG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:06:23 GMT


does anyone have any recipes for unusual desserts that
use traditional ingredients (pumpkin, squash, sweet potatoes
or cranberries)?  low fat and cholesterol recipes are a
plus, but definitely not necessary.

i'm looking for something that will impress a few people!

thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: chicken feathers in milkshakes??
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:01:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.224651.15407@athena.cs.uga.edu>, giber@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Carolyn Giberson) writes:
> 
> With respect to the question "does McDonald's put chicken feathers
> in milkshakes to thicken them?", there are so many good thickening
> agents on the market (guar gums, carageenan, etc.), that I really
> can't believe that they'd use chicken feathers.  (I'm not a 
> spokesperson for McDonald's -- it just strikes me as something
> that would be too irresponsible on their part to be true.)
> 
> Carolyn Giberson
> University of Georgia
> 

They (whoever they are) do use feathermeal as a protein source in animal
diets.  If 'feathers' are used, it's probably an extracted componant of 
some sort. Not just ground up feathers feed to an unsuspecting public.

The feathers are a byproduct of poultry production.

Rick Hoffman.


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: pattyh@sequent.com (Patricia A. Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Question about raw sugar
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:11:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov11.171101.21085
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

First, thanks to everyone who answered my question about freezing
tofu.  I haven't tried it yet, but I'm going to soon.

Now I have another question.  I saw the posting about bone charcoal
being used in sugar production and the statement that C&H didn't use
charcoal to produce "Hawaiian Raw Sugar." My question is this:  is raw
sugar the same thing as turbinado sugar?  (I think I spelled that
right!)

Thanks!

Patty
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Subject: Re: A Quick Breakfast
Reply-To: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:18:09 GMT


Um, Ted, just wondering...how does that breakfast actually taste? :-)


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Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:10261 talk.politics.animals:9523
From: linan@argon.berkeley.edu (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: AR Prisoners in need of your written support
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:43:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: argon.berkeley.edu


>You had me until you started with the NRA drivel.  While I agree
>that it is mainly <poachers> vs. <hunters>  that are responsible
>for the population losses of rare game in the last 10-20 years,
>saying that 'Take away guns and only outlaws will have guns' is 
>nonsense.  Every time you catch someone with a weapon, take it
>away and destroy it.  Viola. One less killing machine.

>Andrew McMichael


Oh this is where you are wrong Andrew.  First off there are millions
upon millions of guns in the US.  If every law abidding citizen turns
in their guns (which I will never do), only outlaws *would* have guns.
Ok, go ahead and say it, that would make me an outlaw but, the law would
be against the US Constitution and therefore I would not consider it valid.
But, back to the point.  As a matter of *fact* only outlaws would have 
guns.  There is no argument.  You might like to believe that one by one
we could destroy them but ask yourself what are the chances of keeping 
guns from entering our country from the borders.  We can't or won't stop
drugs, how in the hell are you going to stop guns.


Mike Linan



Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Subject: Re: Vegitarian Traveling
Reply-To: mwisdom@bnr.ca (Mark Wisdom)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 07:56:09 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.205123.8632@bmerh85.bnr.ca> dwalker@bnr.ca (David Walker) writes:
>
> Since we're always completely up-to-date here on the net, someone (me??)
> should probably volunteer to collect a list of all good veggie restaurants
> around the planet, based on our fellow netters' experiences.
>
> This list could be posted periodically to r.f.v and news.answers.
> It could be a real life-saver (literally!) and, best of all, would be free!!
>
> Opinions?

Well, Dave, that's a great idea.
I don't know about anyone else here on the net, but I have actually
started keeping such a list. Last week I started editing and formatting
it. Reading your article here today, I got my final boost, and I
completed this huge mega project (well, if it ain't one yet, it
probably soon will be). The following several articles contain what
I have done so far. Since you volunteered to work on this, I give
you the option of A) Helping me update it further, or B) Take it over.
As far as I'm concerned, I will soon have completed my part, which
was to get such a thing rolling.


In article <1992Nov12.225651.25380@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey) writes:>
> We had this discusion on r.f.v. at least a year ago.
> Those in favor (me included) thought that using r.f.v.
> would be ideal.  Those against thought it would use
> up too much space and that ftp would be a better method.
> (Those against won and/or those for lost interest.)
>
> I dont think that a listing would have to be any longer
> than the FAQ, especially if the info is kept to
> the basics: name, address, city, hours, price range $/$$/$$$,
> and vegan/vegetarian/vegetarian-friendly (since some macro places
> serve fish).

Well, I for one am not going to let politics stop a good idea.
Besides, I've done it already. The format is different than the one
you suggested, but hey, it seems great the way it is. I hope most
people find it acceptable.


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Disclaimer: Above opinions are my own, and not BNR's.
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