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From: mccloske@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane McCloskey)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: ?Hage?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:00:35 GMT
Reply-To: mccloske@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane McCloskey)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I'm very new at all this horse stuff(just bought my first horse 3 mo's
ago) and just started reading rec.equestrian 3 days ago.  And really
what is hage?  ugly woman?
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 09:37:18 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Achal-Teke breed

Being much nearer to Russia here in Germany than you over there in the US :-)
(apart from the Alaska people), I have in fact seen several of them.

The breed is the third variety of the Thoroughbred, not at all
linked to the Arabian or Anglo-Arabian TB.
They are bred on the steppes of inner Asia (Kazakhstan, I believe)
and their most prominent feature is the metallic gleam of their coat.

Four years ago a group of them made an endurance ride from Moscow (Russia)
to Essen in Germany to participate at the bi-yearly horse fair ("Equitana").

Also, in a village near Darmstadt (where I am posting from) there is a
horse importer who imports Russian horses. His main breeds are
Karbadine, Russian Trakehner and Latvian horses, but now and then
an Achal-Teke is among the batch.

They look very slim and fast and, as far as I have heard, become very attached
to their owners as they are bred in close connection to humans.

Regards, Lutz
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen)
Subject: Re: which magazines?
Keywords: good horse magazine
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:50:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.162358.13639@cas.org> mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:

>Chronicle of the Horse (for Thoroughbred information)
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 The Chronicle is a horse sport magazine covering dressage,
breeding, eventing, hunting, jumping, steeplechasing and
driving. It's not particularly Thoroughbred oriented...

geri


From: twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:12:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: western saddles
Organization: the Lodi Home for the Bald
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>/ hpcss01:rec.equestrian / cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand) /  8:19 am  Jan 25, 1993 /
>In article <1jugaqINNd9c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ct697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sharon Carnes) writes:
>>
>>Hello,
>>I am looking for info on a good all around western saddles.  I owned a
....
>>Sharon Carnes
>
>Sharon,
>
>I know very little about western saddles in general, but I have ridden in
>two that really impressed me.  One was a Carroll (sp?) and the other was
>a Falis (sp? word sounds like Phallus).  Both are built for a balanced
>seat and so ride like dressage saddles. 
>
>The man who owns these saddles has worked on a ranch for 35+ years and
>spends 6+ hours a day on a horse working stock and riding trails. 
>
>I'd be interested to know if anyone else has heard of these saddles and
>what they think of them.
>
>-Carol

I have 2 Fallis saddles that I bought new about 12 or so years ago.
They have a flat seat and the stirrups are hung more forward than on
conventional western saddles.  Where a conventional western saddle
drives you back into the cantle, the flat seat of the Fallis promotes a
sound forward seat.  Hence the name 'Balanced Ride'.  The rigging is a
really neat 3 point setup that prevents building up many layers of
latigo under your leg.  Once you get used to these saddles, a
conventional western saddle with a built-up seat feels like something
from hell.  The saddle was originally designed by Monte Foreman,
legendary western horseman, trainer, and teacher.

If I were in the market for a western saddle, it would be a Fallis or
nothing.  I have never, as in EVER, seen a used Fallis for sale.  They
are essentially custom made and they aren't cheap.  Nothing worthwhile
is.  You order a saddle by picking the fork, horn, cantle, skirt, and
seat styles, seat size, tooling, and a lot of other stuff.  The saddle
is then build to your specifications.  Neat.

When I bought the 2 that I have, Fallis was located in Elbert Colorado.
I think the business moved to Oregon and then back to Colorado.  I
think.  It's worth your while to track them down.  Compared to their
saddles all other western saddles are wanting.  Most of the others seem
to have been made by someone who once saw a picture of a horse.

Terry
From: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Emergency Dismount (was:  What to do about fear)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: watserv2.C1GxGv.H29
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <C1Fx2x.9H5@inews.Intel.COM> jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder ) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.020027.17705@netcom.com> wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins) 
>writes:
>>I'd like to add a fwe comments to the emergency dismount discussion.
>  [deletions]
>
>If I could manage a controlled emergency dismount as Ruth Vale described,
>I might try to hold onto the reins.  Usually, though, I've been "jumped

Whether or not you hang on to the reins depends on how far you are from
home and just how the horse reacts to a sudden pull in the mouth.  Mine
is awfully sensitive and will stop and spin rather than pull the reins
out of my hands.  My usual tendency is to hang on lightly and if she stops
then so be it, but I'm not going to risk pulled back muscles to avoid
the walk home.  If she rips the reins out of my hands, then she gets to
step on them all the way home :-\.

Something I forgot to mention on that dismount - the standing/running
landing is okay in good footing or if you're not moving too fast.  If 
you twist an ankle in rutted ground, you're going to go down anyway
and then you don't want to be dragged by the reins.  Better to control
the landing with a forward shoulder roll (tuck in the shoulder, head
arms and all other parts at risk and follow the momentum).

If the horse has gotten into racing mode, you'll probably be going too
fast to stay on your feet.  In this case, land as I described but 
tuck the left shoulder/head under and do a shoulder roll so that the roll
absorbs the forward motion.  You likely won't want to hang on to the reins
in this case, since they'll wrap around your arm.  I assumed throughout
that you'd ditched the stirrups at the first sign of trouble because
they can be recovered when the situation is back under control.  If you're
getting off, you don't need them.

>I am definitely interested in some discussion on this.  Tips on training
>for that perfect response to the verbal WHOA would be most welcome!

I don't recommend this as a training technique, but as long as Spring
was headshy and afraid of the bit, a strong "WHOA" would stop her in
her tracks most of the time.  Now that she's not afraid of the bit
anymore, I'm going to have to think of something else :-).  "STAND" works
better now, except when she's been inside too much and would really
like to go for a run (which Mom won't let her do because Mom's afraid
she's going to do in that bowed tendon again).

Ruth
(who is itching to be back in Spring's saddle after a winter on
the equine's Disabled list).


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From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ?Hage?
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:39:12 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <30193@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mccloske@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane McCloskey) writes:
>I'm very new at all this horse stuff(just bought my first horse 3 mo's
>ago) and just started reading rec.equestrian 3 days ago.  And really
>what is hage?  ugly woman?

Umm, not quite!  It is a *fermented* hay, though not silage.  The hay is cured
as normal, except it is taken up while it still has a higher moisture content,
and bagged into hermetically-sealed bags with yeast culture.  It looks like peat
moss and smells like beer.  The higher moisture content has the effect of it
being more like grass than hay, so consequently there are fewer incidences of
impaction and sand colics.  And it is VERY good for horses with respiratory
problems, as the dust and mold associated with hay are not found.  The yeast
supplies lots of B-vitamins, and good gut bugs.  There was an article in Equus
magazine a couple of years ago on it, which gives a very good explanation and
report on this feed.  Any more questions, email me, as I feed it to my 2 guys
and I like this feed a lot!

					Teresa
					Leo the QH
					Arrusito *el caballo espanol*
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: cicarell@spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Subject: Cold-weather riding
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:42:50 GMT

Hello everyone,

I apologise in advance if you've seen this, or if another version comes out
later, but I'm having major problems with our system.

I am wondering what you do to stay warm in cold weather.  I was riding in 
<10F a couple of weeks ago, and it was DANG cold.  I'm looking for some 
good ideas (other than stay inside, I got bit by the horse bug and staying
inside worsens the symptoms.)

This year I got a pair of Miller's "Warmtoes" boots.  They are lined with
Thinsulate (what ever that is, It's good stuff) and have kept my feet warm
all winter.  I have the tall ones, they also come in a short lace up version.
They are thicker than regular boots, and slide around a little bit on my
leg, but warm toes are worth it to me.  I ordered a pair of gloves with
the same lining, but we got a heat wave and I haven't used them yet.  I have
no connection to Miller's, just wanted to share a good product.

I ride english HJ, and just got the good (make that GRRREAT!) news that I
can show one of my trainer's horses next summer.  Of course, I think she's
the best horse in the barn.  If this gets posted I will add to the Bio thread.

Anyway, happy riding/driving/grooming/etc.  

Colleen Cicarelli
Hewlett-Packard
Spokane, Washington, USA
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Openings.
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:00:06 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <QfM7grL0Bwx2QsxH02@transarc.com> Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
>	We have 2 different viewpoints on the matter:
>
>	1) No matter how good the martial artist is, there are _always_
>openings which can be exploited by their opponent(s).
>
>	2) The _best_ martial artists do not give their opponents _any_
>openings to exploit. Either by timing, or positioning, the openings
>only occur when and where their opponent(s) cannot take advantage of them.

I don't see how this is a disagreement.

By definition, the _best_ martial artists are better than their opponents.
Should it be at all surprising, then, if their opponents are unable to exploit
whatever openings may arise?



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From: dtnguyen@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Take Life One)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A sparring ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:21:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan14.225229.12476@wdl.loral.com> tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan) writes:
>I have a question to ask about TKD sparring:
>very quick and accurate  with spinning kicks, sweeping and knee kicks are
>not allowed?
>

Well, I haven't taken TKD but from my days training with kenpo and
kempo, i usually gave a quick kick to the opponents butt as he
turned. This throws him/her off balance enough for you to close and
do whatever. I did this with my lead foot. A short front kick works
best although a side kick also works. Assuming this is legal of
course. :)

Dzu
From: Terrance.Robinson@p7.f775.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Terrance Robinson)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kung Fu (the TV show)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:20:38 -0800

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From: krause@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mike Krause)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kung Fu Next Generation
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:51:58 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

/ hpindda:rec.martial-arts / Guest Account <guest26+@andrew.cmu.edu> /  2:30 am  Jan 20, 1993 /
>Anyone remember the one hour failed pilot (the series never took off) of
>"Kung Fu, the next generation?"  It saw it at least five years ago.
>
>The basic plot was about the same at "...the legend continues."
>Specifically, it was about a father and son team who get involved in
>taking out baddies in some modern day city.  The father (not played by
>Carradine) was supposed to be the great grandson of Cain.  David
>Carradine starred briefly as his own ghost (a blurry image, it might not
>have been him) at the end of the show.  After it was over, there was a
>pay per call number for people wanting to vote for or against it.
>
While the story line wasn't that bad, at least the students demonstrated
the animal forms with some proficiency.  In addition, Brandon Lee played
the "lost" son.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: joshg@athena.mit.edu (Josh Gagliardi)
Subject: Re: Atemi waza in judo
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:11:22 GMT


If by atemi-waza you mean the strike exercise Sei ryoku zenyo kokomin taiku,
(featuring wax on/wax off, the Anvil salesman, and other hits) yes.  I was 
introduced to it about the same time I started learning nage-no-kata.

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Subject: Re: What/Where is Sinawali?
Reply-To: mcp4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Marco Claro Pineda)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:05:56 GMT

BTW, I just remember that the Brazilian MA with a lot of spin moves is called
capoiera.  I think there is a travelling band of capoieristas who give shows
in a kind of cultural demonstration review (along with carnevale dancers and
other stuff Brazilian)  Perhaps they'll be coming to a theatre near you.  And
the style does look great.
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From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Wing Chun Trapping & Boxing & Do's & Jutsu's
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:20:24 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Wing Chun Trapping & Boxing:

What I was trying to say is that the most immediate threat has to be weighed
against the seriousness of the threat.  A good example the classic "big 
brother gambit" which goes like this:  Person A spits in your face.  Person A 
is a wimp (sorry for the terminology folks-this is common American English), 
and the big brother of A is (choose 1:- around the corner, in the next town, 
halfway around the world).  So A is the most immediate threat, and B is the 
serious threat.

Do's and Jutsu's:

With the importation of these arts to America, and the subsequent influence
American practitioners have had on these arts as they are practiced here, I
don't see how this makes any sense at all.  Could you counter this please ?
From: rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re: Puzzled - History of Korean MAs
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:05:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

>>The martial arts tradition in Korea is traced back some 2000 years to 
>>the Hwa-Rang-Do, a sort of Knights of the Round Table outfit during the 
>>wars of the three kingdoms.  The traditions have been fairly well 
>>continous since then, although they have had different names and specific 
>>styles have come and gone (Secret Palace Gaurd Kickass-Do, Aristocratic
>>Nobleman Headcrack-Dool, Peasant Weapon Plough Techniques, etc).
>
>Ok, where's your proof?  Name your sources.  I've looked this stuff up
>and I can't find anything.
>
>Dakin

Dakin...

Just wondering...  For your research are you planning to write to HwaRangDo's
Dr. Lee to see if he might be able to provide credible references?  I can
probably get you an address, if you'd like.

Ray
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:07:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.001411.10451@ac.dal.ca> hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Is chi (ki) real? I know the theory, but I'm wondering what people think
>about it. 

Well, what do you mean by "real"? Chi is, essentially, about how 
your mind and body interact. It can easily be "all in your mind"
and still be very real. As a physical concept, I don't think
it is real (there is no measurable energy, in the physical sense
associated with it, for example.) However, I've found from experience
that as a psychological concept, it is very real. 

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:11:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <C1FLD2.EoJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Basically, the only animal that we (humans) would most likely be
>attacked by is a large dog.  And from experience, they sometimes like to
>run and then leap at you.  Umm, how should I phrase this?  Are there any
>books, or any info... or even an ART that teach how to defend against
>animals?

'How to fight dogs' is an ancient and venerable thread that comes
up on rec.martial-arts every so often. Usually there are a bunch
of tentative ideas about how to defeat dogs, a little discussion
from people who have some experience dealing with them, and it
winds down. My feeling is that the way to think of a dog in a
fight is as a small, fast, armored chopping machine with some
vulnerabilities that are all on the other side of the armored
chopping engine. (If it isn't obvious, my advice about fighting
dogs is: don't).

As for other animals, I know a few stories about people fighting
them, ranging from the sublimely unbelievable legend to the
absurd anecdote. One of my favorites in the former category is
the story of Wu Sung, a martial hero monk of China, who is said
to have been caught sleeping by a hungry tiger. If you have
ever seen a figurine of a Chinese fellow smacking a tiger
in the head with his fist in a Chinatown shop, this is Wu Sung
Da Hu, "Wu Sung Kills the Tiger," the outcome of the legend.

In the latter category, there is the wonderful story about
Sin The, who started Shao Lin training at age seven. He says
he was a bit of a hothead in his teens. The story is that
he was kicked by a horse and, angry about it, kicked the horse
back, knocking it into a ditch. 

>I remember a long time ago, our neighbors had dobermans, and I
>would deliberately talk a different, longer route just to avoid them.
>Once, I rode my bike by quickly, hoping I'd escape, but one of them ran
>at me and pulled me off my bike (I was about 10 years old).  So, any
>info?  Just curious, as I think defense against dogs could prove to be
>useful at some point.  Thanks!

Be nice to the dogs. Avoid threatening movements. Carry a gun and, if
you are forced to defend yourself against them, shoot them a lot of
times. I love dogs; I love raising them and training them. I even
know a few of their weaknesses. But I don't want to fight them.
From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Dojos(angs) - home away from home (was Re: $.02 - Confidence)
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:08:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.C1G3Lr.M8p
Organization: Vallen Software

In article <1k2ffj$gc9@agate.berkeley.edu>, actize@garnet.berkeley.edu () says most sayishly:
>One important part of MA training has been overlooked by you commentators.
>In an effort to curb juvenile delinquency some inner cities have started a 
>basketball at midnight program.  In a kind of extreme case it allows kids to 
>play basketball instead of being exposed to other more dangerous endevours.  
>IMHO, the previously described incidents will happen in aracades no matter if 
>you are a newbie or the founder of this-that-and-the-other.  In an aracade 
>this type of randori or sparring occurs all the time.  If you have a dojo or 
>dojang to go to instead, then there's no problem.  That's my personal point 
>of view.  I would rather exist in one place and not the other. 

Speaking of a dojang to go to... WAAAH! :)  Our "dojang" is NICE.  Red
floor mat, nicely padded.  Warm room, plenty of space.  So the catch?
It's in the phys'ed building and LOCKED while classes are not in
session!  So I don't have that "home away from home."  Kinda sucks. :(

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From: ian@csc.liv.ac.uk (Ian Finch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:47:04 GMT
Organization: Knee Deep in Sky High
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Sam Hulick (shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
>
> While we're on the topic, I know blackbelts aren't invincible or
> anything, but I think it's a confidence thing.  I know that, personally,
> after I had gone through years of training and had become a blackbelt,
> I'd feel pretty good about myself and sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to
> talk back to someone who was giving me a hard time.
>
That feeling should wear off sometime around green belt! :-)

>                                                       Now I'm just a
> white belt, and when someone starts hassling me, I remain unobtrusive
> and just take it, which I don't really like doing.  This doesn't mean
> that when I'm a blackbelt, and someone bugs me, I'd throw them across
> the room.  As our instructor said, avoid a fight at all costs, but if
> you have to fight, do what you must.  I don't think I'd be egging him
> on, but if someone started making rude comments about my best friend,
> I'm not going to sit there and not say anything (as I do now. me wimp!
>
I would think that sitting there and not saying anything comes under the
heading of `avoiding a fight at all costs'.

> :).  Any one else feel this way?
>
I feel exactly the opposite.  There are situations where I would consider
that I `have to fight', but someone making rude comments is not such a
situation.  Let someone hassle you, it's not doing you any harm because you
are a better person than they are.  If they decide to hit you, then you
should defend yourself!  There are obviously border cases (``I'm going to
hit you now'' being one), but consider the scenario:

Thug: [says something threatening]
You:  [hit thug to defend yourself (or your pride or whatever)]

[At your trial]
Witness: The victim said something to the defendent who then beat him up using
         his deadly martial arts training.

Cheers,
          Ian
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