From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Time to put in my 2cents worth
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:04:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.054320.9132@gagme.chi.il.us> phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen) writes:
>	I have a friend that is an Illinois State Police officer, he teaches
>womens self defense an preaches that the women FIGHT AND FIGHT HARD, kick, 
>bite, scratch, YELL!!!!, and NEVER NEVER EVER use mace.

Note that said officer doesn't follow his advice - he carries a gun for
self-defense.

Physical methods are nice, but bad guys train too.  They're also
faster and stronger.

>	His thoughts about mace are due to the fact that at one time he 
>accidently sprayed himself with the police issue mace ( strongest you can get
>other than the military and has a marker die in it; for IL that is. ).

Marker die?  You mean the stuff that tells the criminal "You've been
marked, but the only person who knows what that mark MEANS is standing
right in front of you."  Note the "marker" that police use...

>	They are usually places in a purse, or under the jacket and not in
>the hands for the most part.

Yes, one can carry a weapon stupidly, as police do, but one doesn't
have to.  Moreover, even a weapon carried stupidly can be made
available in many circumstances.  (It is common for the victim to
become aware of an imminent attack, yet not have any useful options,
such as preparing a weapon, during the time between the warning and
the actual attack.)

>attacks seem to come from behid or from people you know.  THUS rendering
>such concealed weapons useless.

I know several violent people.  While they might be the most likely
people to attack me, our acquaintance doesn't mean that they'll catch
me unaware.  In fact, our acquaintance puts me on guard BECAUSE I know
about them.

>( IF I AM WRONG TELL ME WHERE I CAN READ ABOUT THE CORRECT STATS. )

You don't need stats, you need to be able to think about what you
"know".

>	Then to carry a concealed wepon you need a special permit.

Which suggests that concealed weapons permit systems are a waste of
time.  They affect the wrong people....

>	Chimeron (sp) is something I have heard of and seen some basic 
>demonstrations but I would almost be willing to say that IF I were to
>attack some one after they had one full session with Chimeron, they would
>not fair to well. ( I am a martial artist so it is un-fair )

The thugs I know happen to be martial artists too, so it is realistic.

>I worked out with her and probably helped bring her skills up because she 
>could kick or punch me full power or close to full power in the Abdomen (sp)
>and I would laugh it off for the most part BUT at least she was getting the 
>idea of how to use her Kicks and Punches.

She also learned how worthless her kicks and punches and were.  Great
form and no effect.  What a deal....

>	MARTIAL ARTS is a way of life not just a few classes and it is all

So, people who have other things to do with their lives can just go
hang, right?

-andy
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