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From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:48:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.005036.24057@cshl.org>, pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
writes:
|>In article <1992Aug11.233841.25067@bnr.ca> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA
(Maurice LaBiche) writes:
|>>I'm also puzzled by this fact(and a little pissed off too).
|>>Is it really that this lack of slack time keeps our economy
|>>from heading down the tubes?  I can't believe that.  I wish
|>>this would change soon but I'm sure the big $ interests will
|>>try and keep this from happening, the old lost productivity line 
|>>again.  It's enough to make you think how civil this country 
|>>really is or isn't.  This is just another reason to re-evaluate
|>>the claim that americans live 'better' than people anywhere else!
|>
|>is this an "accounting" difference? most american companies
|>have holidays that arent considered part of the 2 weeks.
|>we also have a couple weeks of "sick" time (or more actually there).
|>and usually this goes up to 4 weeks after a couple years.
|>
|>-- 
|>-- Pat Monardo
|>-- pjm@cshl.org
                  
No this is no simple accounting difference, we americans are being
taken unfair advantage of.  These countries which give 4-6 weeks 
vacation a year are definitely compassionate enough to forsee sick
time and all have as many if not more holidays as well as vacation 
time off.  There is no comparision to the life/work style benefits
in many foreign industrialized countries(better) and the US(not as
good).  However if you also like more violent crime and less taxes
you may disagree with me.
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From: mstede@cs.toronto.edu (Manfred Stede)
Subject: Dem+Rep Convention Speech Texts?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:34:54 GMT

Does anybody know how to get hold of the major speeches made at both
conventions?  Do the parties publish them?  Do I have to xerox them from
the New York Times?  Did anybody type them in?  Are they recorded on CD?


Thanks,
manfred

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Toronto M5S 1A4, Canada
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Is there such a beast as the average USAian?
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:55:52 GMT
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory

In article <1992Aug12.220335.15120@dscomsf.desy.de> Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de writes:
>
>This is true only if You inflate the differences between the inhabitants of
>various parts of Your nation. Now, while I grant that there is a sizable 
>portion of the population which will not move very far from their place
>of birth during their lifetime, the mobility of the average US citizen is
>very high.

true. i've lived in New Orleans, Boulder, San Francisco,
and New York. being urban tends to minimize differences
but you still get "but you dont sound like you're from
the South".  life has been pretty much the same, but then i've
avoided places that i knew would "irk" me the most.
Overall, New York is still the best city in USA.

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: NBC-Olympics
Date: 3 Aug 92 17:22:37 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <77017@ut-emx.uucp>, gokhan@voyager.me.utexas.edu (Gokhan Usanmaz) writes:
> What kind of sportif coverage is that? People like me are getting fed up of
> the "soap-opera " like introductions of American athletes before every single
> event. At the beginning, I considered the olympic triple-cast as a stupid way
> of spending 100 bucks assuming NBC's 'extensive-coverage'. I guess I was wrong.

	What can you expect when one of the announcer's usual venue is
"Entertainment Tonight"?

	One thing that was pretty obvious, especially in boxing and women's
gymnastics, was the way the judges consistently under-valued the performances. 
Shannon Miller does a near perfect vault and gets 9.950, while the Eunified
women make obvious form breaks and still get 9.950.

	Ah well, as goes s.c.usa so goes the Olympics :).

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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Culture "!=" Politics (and places to visit!)
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:44:27 GMT

>Keep the abortion/conspiracy/cascades/politics/drugs etc. issues in their
>respective news groups!

Equally well one could demand people keep the Usonian politics/drugs
issues in their respective, ie. Usonian, newsgroups.  Other countries
of the world (or Usenet) are not having the same problems, so why
clutter the net with discussions on Usonian issues?

Just to say that there are many viewpoints on each issue.

//Jyrki
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: [misc.activism.progressive] Sorting Out the Iraq-Gate Scandal
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:30:54 GMT
Followup-To: misc.activism.progressive
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.202231.25239@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
> A repost from misc.activism.progressive:

	Which doesn't belong in soc.culture.usa  Please direct followups to
appropriate political newsgroups.

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From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Let's go! [was U.S.A. livin
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:23:55 GMT
Organization: Kamchatka Charlie

In article <9208182001.AA07238@cs.utexas.edu> 
>But Daniel may be onto something.  Maybe we'd better all emigrate (or not
>immigrate) before it's too late.  Where to, guys?  I've given a thought or
>two to Costa Rica, but there's not room for everybody there.  Where would
>_you_ go if you decided to emigrate?

     How about Australia?  Nice climate, wonderful people, and a history unique
in the world--better than the USonian dream version.  B+)
     Pass me the vegemite, eh mate?

Kamchatka Charlie          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
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From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Why so few Quayle kids?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:36:26 GMT

Why so few Quayle kiddies?
Either they aren't up to it, or something Un-Natural has been going
on, if you catch my drift.
Neither alternative exemplifies "family values", IMHO.

Is it because Mr. Q. permitted Mrs. Q. to become a lawyer?
-- 
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From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: How evil are the Republicans?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 11:49:05 GMT

I don't know about anyone else, but the Republican convention has
frightened me.  We hear how all our country's problems are because of
someone else and how if only President Bush could do whatever he wanted the
country would be okay.  We hear how all the good things that have happened
in the world are because of President Bush.  We hear how a return to a
narrow definition of "family" will improve our economy and help our
country.  Now, of course, the Republicans offer no reasons or evidence for
any of these statements.  But what else is new.  

However, this particular Republican convention reminds me of another time. 
A leader who claimed that if you followed him without question, even if you
disliked a couple of things he stood for, he would improve the economy and
make his country powerful again.  He would make certain that those that did
not represent his definition of "good", and who he blamed for the country's
woes, would be kept carefully in check.  He talked of forcing religion,
albeit just his view of religion, back into the lives over every citizen,
especially the captive audience of unsuspecting children.  He had the
support of many of the fundamentalist Christian religions.  Who am I
talking about?  If you haven't figured it out by now, it's Hitler.  And
while there are some differences between Bush and Hitler, the similarities
are infinitely more frightening.  The Nazis even went so far as to attack a
group which Quayle has had no end of enjoyment in attacking:  the media and
entertainment "elite."  Bush speaks out of both sides of his mouth on
abortion.  And his attitude towards the rights of gays and lesbians reeks
heavily of a fascist attempt to repress a minority; there is little
difference between Republican attacks on my sexuality than Hitler's attacks
on the "evil" of the Jews in pre-Nazi Germany.  He claims he represents the
'majority', but did that make the Nazis (who also represented the
'majority) _RIGHT_?  Fascism, unfortunately, is very seductive, and Bush
has seduced many of the moderates of the Republican party.  Let us hope
that the American people are not as easily seduced, for the world does not
need another demagogue with too much power.


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From: r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.del monaco)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: North vs. South:  An American Cultural Paradigm?
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:13:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug11.214226.6791@leland.Stanford.EDU> paulf@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Paul Flaherty) writes:
>In every state in which I've resided, there has always been a rivalry or
>series of disputes between those in the Northern Half of the state, and
>those in the South.  In most cases, it seemed to be a question of a heavily
>populated South (Minnesota, Wisconsin, California) versus a largely rural
>North (Illinois is just the opposite, and North Dakota runs populated East
>versus rural West).  Are there any states out there which have more even
>population distributions, but similar flamage?
>
>--
>-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX/5W1JX  |"Anyway, nothing can beat Good Old American
>->paulf@Stanford.EDU          | Know - How." -- Harry Canyon, _Heavy Metal_


Even a geographically small state like New Jersey is not immune from this
north/south rivalry.  The northern part of the state is largely a suburban
extension of New York.  Most of the population and industry are located
here.  The south is mainly composed of the Jersey shore and suburban
Philadelphia.  There is also a large stretch of uninhabited pine forest
in southern New Jersey.

About ten years ago, there was a strong push for splitting the state into
two.  This was primarily a move by southern New Jerseyans who wanted
more influence in a state dominated by northern politicians.  I believe
some southern counties even had a referendum on secession.  (Are there
any southerners who can supply details?).

I don't hear much talk anymore of the new state of South Jersey.  We have
other problems right now.

Here's a curiosity....I have a friend from southern New Jersey (the Jersey
shore area).  Every summer he complains about the invasion of northerners
at the beaches.  He refers to us as "Benny's."  This comes from the
initial letters of northern cities:  Bayonne, Elizabeth, Newark, New York.
Imagine being considered a tourist in one's own state?


Richard Del Monaco		rdelmonaco@attmail.att.com
Somerset, New Jersey		    r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
(which is in the north)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,misc.jobs.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: NAFTA (was Re: Bush's position on Bosnia)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:42:41 GMT


In article <1992Aug11.010011.856@tss.com> mathon@tss.com (John D. Mathon) writes:
>Lately, I have become concerned that his statements on the FTA with
>Mexico may be suspect.  He says that he is for the FTA, but, puts
>all kinds of caveats on this approval.  I am certain that the majority
>of Americans know that a FTA agreement with Mexico is good for both
>of us and that clinton is too equivical for me.  The FTA is good for
>America, but even if some Americans lost their jobs, fairness dictates
>that Americans live up to the high principle that Mexicans who make
>good products deserve a fair shot at the American market.
>
>Consider this.  The US trades some $200 billion with Canada.  Canada
>is a country of 20 million people.  Mexico is 3.5 times larger in
>population and yet only trades about $70 billion with the US per year.
>If Mexico could achieve 1/3 of the trade we have with Canada per capita
>in the next 10 years, America could export an additional $140 billion
>to Mexico alone per year.  This could boost US GNP by an additional 3%
>and create millions of jobs into the next century.  Democrats who oppose
>free trade are hate mongering economically illiterate special interests
>and should be exposed as such.
>
>I challenge the unionists who oppose the FTA to explain to me how they
>will hire hundreds of thousands of Mexicans otherwise.  The argument 
>that FTA is anti-wrker is true only if you are talking about unproductive
>workers.  Americans must compete.  We can do so sooner and have a 
>stronger economy later or we can do so later and have a weak economy now
>and in the future.  This is the best international aid the US has ever
>proposed.  This international aid is ethical, fair, productive and 
>leads everyone to long lasting wealth earned from truly competitive
>enterprises.  This will lead to a better relationship with all our 
>neighbors to the south and to much expanded opportunity for all 
>Americans.

NAFTA will be good for all parties concerned.
Interestingly, the U.S. and Mexico and *already* benefiting from
it, as companies anticipate its passage.
One thing to consider is this: Mexico imports more from the U.S.
than any other country. If we import goods from Mexico and help
build their economy, the benefit will come back in our favor,
as they improt more American goods.

--------
P.McGuinness
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Is this American custom?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:45:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.164739.27855@bnr.ca> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug20.155934.26784@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
>qcg@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Qing Guo) writes:
>|> 
>
>Stuff Deleted!
>
>|> Now this is my question: Every time when I went to their house, I
>noticed that they had opened all doors inside the house: the doors of
>his study, of their bedroom, of the two bathrooms, of guest room (where
>I stay), of kicthen, etc. Is that the American |> custom for a guest?
>Does that mean 'We trust you, so we open all doors to you'? Or is it
>just for air ventilation?
>|> 
>|> Any ideas and comments are welcome.
>
>I rarely close the doors at my house.  The only time I leave doors closed
>is when I don't want to heat/cool that part of the house or don't want
>someone to look in a room because it needs cleaning.  In general if I 
>want someone to look after my house while I'm away I feel I can trust them
>and don't mind them entering any room at my house.  However, one should 
>understand the difference between looking around the house and searching
>through someones private possessions. 

Same here.  I leave all my doors open, even when I'm gone, with
one exception.  I just don't trust my cat enough to leave the
room with the breakables in it open while I'm gone.  (She's pretty
much a pillow weight now, but she is often upredictable).

I think most Americans do leave (internal) doors open.  It does
help the air ventilation but I didn't sit down and say, "I need
more ventilation so I'll leave doors open".  It's more like
"Well, that's how we always did it".

Julie
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From: r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.del monaco)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:20:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.225503.13330@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>I agree, let's get rid of the politics and back to the culture.  I am
>certainly not going to share my favorite unspoiled vacation spots, as
>I want to keep them to myself :-) but that proposed topic brings up
>another which is near to my heart:  why is vacation so undervalued
>in the US?
>

I support the idea of keeping soc.CULTURE.usa on culturally related topics.

I think, however, the answer to your question is to be found in our
political and economic system.


Richard Del Monaco		rdelmonaco@attmail.att.com
Somerset, New Jersey		    r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,misc.jobs.misc
From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Keywords: work vacation
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:44:03 GMT

This thread is beginning to digress somewhat.  What does OSHA regulations
have to do with keeping Americans down with a, if your lucky, two week
per year vacation.  This is a status quo norm which most Americans accept
as a consequence of employment in this country.  Although it has been 
mentioned that the number of weeks of vacation may be haggled over when 
you get a job I think many workers are not in a strong enough bargaining
position to achieve such lengthy periods of vacation as is mandated by
law/convention is most European countries.  It sure would be nice if
the government pandered to voters after getting their votes instead of
pandering to business after getting your vote.

Living in America, born and raised here too,

Maurice LaBiche (Mo.L.)             labiche@bnr.ca
Bell Northern Research              
Richardson, Texas                   i'm really in Texas, USA not Canada

No opinions herin expressed have anything to do with the opinions 
of Bell Northern Research or Northern Telecom or CIA or NSA ...
These statements are mine and mine alone, well i guess my wife 
agrees with some of them?
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Kulturkampf
Date: 19 Aug 1992 21:31:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Also sprach unser Gordon Fitch:

> This proposal is clearly akin to the fascist, Communist,
> and Nazi programs of subordinating culture to political
> -- governmental -- control, and of eliminating free
> expression.  The Nazis called the program
> _Kulturkampf_.  Is there any way in which the Buchanan
> proposal differs from the _Kulturkampf_?  Or are there
> defenders of Buchanan who would like to explain his
> statement otherwise? 

Beats me.  I am about as much of a Buchanan defender (a 
confessed McLaughlin & Co. viewer) as you'll find on this 
network of iniquity.

Pat is an arch conservative who views Bush as a left-wing 
extremist.  By "we" he may mean conservative Republicans as 
opposed to the commies presently running the Party.

By restoring our culture, I'm sure Pat means a return to a 
government that supports traditional conservative values.  
(I will not offend the delicate sensibilities of some of our 
fellow netters by enumerating them.)

Don't worry, Gordon, there ain't no Nazi concentration camps 
in Buchanan's mind.  As a fiscal conservative, he wouldn't 
approve of spending the money. 8-)

I didn't hear Buchanan's speech either.  Pat is amusing in 
small doses, but I couldn't bear to listen to him (or any 
other politician) give a speech.

Politics macht frei,

Ledbetter.
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:20:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: ... (Viking Savages)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa

Yes....

-another oppressed viking savage


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From: jhull@vulcan.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (   Joseph F. Hull)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Keywords: work vacation
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:36:45 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver

|> In article <13AUG199210425981@rover.uchicago.edu>,
|> frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
|> |>
|> |>	Ten years ago I did Physics and Engineering. Today I spend more and
|> |>	more of my time dealing with various agencies. I just got off the
|> |>	phone with one bureaucrat who wanted to know everything about a
|> |>	a minor electronic mod installed on one of our Radiation Therapy
|> |>	machine, but said bureaucrat obviously didn't know electronics. ...
|> |>	It isn't so much the amount of supervision and regulation that the
|> |>	various agencies impose, but the quality and training of the "inspectors
|> |>	that makes my job such a pain. If the government doesn't realize that
|> |>	this is a major reason why the US is not competitive, then we need some-
|> |>	one on the hill with an IQ larger than their chest size.


In article <1992Aug17.093326.20823@dscomsf.desy.de>, 
hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
|> 
|> It is not his job to prove that the modification fails it is your job to
|> prove that it works. ...
|> This sort of attitude makes me glad that I am never likely to need
|> treatment at Chicago.


Phill,

If the bureaucrat is too stupid or too ignorant or inadequately trained to understand the
proof when it is provided, then where is the protection supposedly afforded by having him
there in the first place.

Are you deliberately ignoring Frank's point, or did you not understand it?

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