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From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: Pix of hunters using Politically Incorrect weapons needed
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:55:31 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: semi-automatic, assault rifle, military-styled

powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:

>>gray@hawkmoon.mn.org writes:

>>I edit a newsletter for the Gun Owners' Civil Rights Alliance in
>>the People's Republic of Minnesota.

>>We need snapshots of hunters who hunt with military style semi-
>>automatics, showing them with their rifle and the game they took.

>>This year I am hunting with a party that includes an M1A and an
>>SKS.  I know another hunter who will be using his HK91.  We want
>>to publish as many accounts and pix as we can of people who hunt
>>with rifles the Politically Correct claim are never used by
>>hunters.

>>Thanks for any help.

>You'll get no help from me. I hunt and I am absolutely APPALLED
>that you and a bunch of other assholes are out there shooting
>animals with military assault weapons. And an editor of a pro-gun
>lobby newspaper to boot! The one thing hunters do NOT need is a
>photo spread in your rag proving the fact. Hunters have a hard
>enough time as it is with the public. You will only make it
>worse for all of us. 

 Bullshit.
 One of the main arguments against so called "assault rifles" is that they
have "no sporting purpose" and therefore should be banned. The truth is, 
MANY people use these rifles to hunt with. I have a friend who has a nice
picture of himself next to an 8 point buck he took with his Colt AR-15.
I'll contact him and see if I cal get a copy of it. Maybe a color-laser-copy
anyhow.



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From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Subject: Re: Shotgun Question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:24:36 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I own one SKB and several Brownings. I like the Citori lock system
because the locking bolt is tapered and as wear occurs, the taper
keeps the gun tight.

I have found the workmanship in the Browning actions (all mine were
make by Miroku) to be better than the SKB.  In particular, the
pendulum in the SKB appears to have been investment cast and then not
properly cleaned up.  In fact, my SKB will set the second trigger
without recoil, it's not suposed to.  I believe this is due to the
sear engagement notch being misformed but since it functions for both
shots, I did not want to send it in for repairs and be without it.

As for shooting them, I like them pretty much equally.  I did shoot a
20 ga. SKB before I bought mine (a 28 ga.) and found it to be slightly
barrel heavy.  I did look at a new SKB 685 combo in 12 ga. yesterday
and found it to be ballanced much better than the 20.  My 28 is again
balanced quite well.  I bought the SKB because it was the only 28ga.
with choke tubes in my price range.

I wouldn't dream of telling you what to buy but if you like the
Weatherby and are looking at the price range of guns you listed, I
would take a look at the new "85" SKB series.  I think the wood on the
685 and 885 is much better quality than on any Weatherby I've seen and
typically as good or better than a grade VI Citori.  In addition, you
get back bored barrels, long choke tubes and very nice
engraving/inlaying. On the 885, the receiver has removeable side
plates which is handy for cleaning the action (you don't have to
remove the stock).

I think you'll be happy with either the Browning or the SKB.  I
personally dislike Weatherby for sticking their name and a bigger
price on the SKB but what the heck, to each his own.

-Scot
From: am3z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Albert Peter Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Hunting NC
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:50:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov6.085017.12388
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

My father recently moved to NC and he sent me a listing of the hunting
seasons. On the list were bear and boar. What are the chances of
actually finding any? Also, is there any handgun hunting, especially for
a non-resident?

Thanks,
Al
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From: cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro)
Subject: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:57:53 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hello all. I have been quietly skulking and listening. My mule deer
season is over, I am working on a long post to share my sights and
lessons learned.  I am now chasing quail and wild pigs in So Cal. The
quail have been hunted pretty hard in some areas, and either won't fly
at all, or don't rise above the tops of the chapparel and sage.

Well, I am now looking into trading my 92 civic for a used 4x4 pickup.
Can anyone offer their advice and/or experience as to a good candidate
(or bad) in the 85 to 87 years. Domestic or foreign, doesn't matter
(sales taxes go to local and state gov't :>)

If you would rather use email, ok, but this could be an interesting
thread, since a vehicle is almost as important as a weapon.

Mark Cavallaro
cavallar@cyber.net


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From: blaraway@encore.com (Brad Laraway)
Subject: Insect repellent
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:50:43 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

         I'm going hunting in Ocala National Forest, FLA.  I got
	 some earth sented bug repellent.  My question is does it
	 work against bugs and not deer.  I would rather lose a 
	 quart of blood over the course of a week, than spook all
	 the deer for miles around me.

	 Thanks for any and all help.

	 Brad



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From: tomfal@tr6.wes.army.mil (Thomas Faller)
Subject: Re:  Pix of hunters using Politically Incorrect weapons
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:54:30 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I have no problem with hunters using military weapons as long as they
are using proper hunting ammunition for the game they are hunting.
Almost all of our present "hunting" rifles are derived from military
style rifles which offered quicker followup and more reliable actions
than their forebears. The Winchester .30-30 comes from a direct line
of military repeaters. The Mauser type bolt action used in almost all
hunting rifles today was a solution to the single-shot breech and
muzzle loaders of the 1800's, and was developed for the military, not
the sportsman. There are enough "sportsterized" military bolt-actions
around still to testify to the toughness of the military action and
its accuracy.

Semi-auto rifles will continue to be used in hunting because they
offer real advantages to the hunter, not because they allow full-auto
fire at every target. They are as accurate, and in many cases, more
reliable than bolt- action rifles in severe weather (especially the
AK-type action, which was evaluated by the Alaska State Police a
couple of years ago). The weight and gas systems can reduce recoil and
allow steadier shots. Their range is at least as great as a .30-30.
What is the problem besides looks? If the attraction of blasting away
was really the problem, we've had decades of hunters in the woods with
semi-auto Remingtons and Brownings and M-1 carbines.  Where's the
carnage? I've seen 10-round clips for the Remington, so it's not just
the smaller magazine size.

H+K used to run ads showing hunters with game taken from their model
91 rifle, typically large bear. They may be able to provide literature
and photos, as well as stories. Gun magazines have had articles about
using the Tanker Garrands as brush rifles. Good luck. Sounds like it's
still an uphill fight.

Tom Faller


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From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu ()
Subject: Re: Long Range rifle?
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:56:33 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

toby@carson.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw) writes:

   of huntable size.  Now, you'll have a lot of people tell
   you "I knocked off my (elk, deer, antelope) at 600-800 yards
   with one shot through the heart".  I've shot paper targets
   and live varmints with enough of these mouthpieces to know
   that 1) they have no idea of the actual distance, 2) they
   couldn't hit the broad side of an elephant from the inside
   at half that distance,

That's one hell of an elephant...


-Joe.


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From: scott@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Larry Scott)
Subject: Re: Pix of hunters using Politically Incorrect weapons needed
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:54:55 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: semi-automatic, assault rifle, military-styled

In article <1992Nov6.081753.3293@doug.cae.wisc.edu> powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:
>>gray@hawkmoon.mn.org writes:
>
>>We need snapshots of hunters who hunt with military style semi-
>>automatics, showing them with their rifle and the game they took.
>
>
>>Thanks for any help.
>
>You'll get no help from me. I hunt and I am absolutely APPALLED
>that you and a bunch of other assholes are out there shooting
>animals with military assault weapons. And an editor of a pro-gun
>lobby newspaper to boot! The one thing hunters do NOT need is a
>photo spread in your rag proving the fact. Hunters have a hard
>enough time as it is with the public. You will only make it
>worse for all of us. 

	Can this guy be for real??!! What a completely idiot
statement!  As long as the gun is accurate enough, the hunter handles
it correctly, and the gun is "enough" gun for the prey you're after...
What possible difference does it make what "style" of gun you use??!!
Again I say, "What an idiot statement!!"

	Larry Scott
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Pix of hunters using Politically Incorrect weapons needed
Keywords: semi-automatic, assault rifle, military-styled
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:17:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov6.081753.3293
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>gray@hawkmoon.mn.org writes:

>I edit a newsletter for the Gun Owners' Civil Rights Alliance in
>the People's Republic of Minnesota.

>We need snapshots of hunters who hunt with military style semi-
>automatics, showing them with their rifle and the game they took.

>This year I am hunting with a party that includes an M1A and an
>SKS.  I know another hunter who will be using his HK91.  We want
>to publish as many accounts and pix as we can of people who hunt
>with rifles the Politically Correct claim are never used by
>hunters.

>Thanks for any help.

You'll get no help from me. I hunt and I am absolutely APPALLED
that you and a bunch of other assholes are out there shooting
animals with military assault weapons. And an editor of a pro-gun
lobby newspaper to boot! The one thing hunters do NOT need is a
photo spread in your rag proving the fact. Hunters have a hard
enough time as it is with the public. You will only make it
worse for all of us.
From: boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:07:05 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

<Lots of different vehicle recommendations delted>

	I'm amazed that so far no one has mentioned the ultimate hunting
  vehicle - the Chevy/GMC Suburban.  I would never recommend a Suburban for
  someone who is only going to have one vehicle, since they do take their
  gasoline in gulps rather than sips, but as a hunting/camping rig, I think
  they are without equal.  Sure, I have friends with old beefed-up CJs that
  can get through tighter spots (the long turning radius is sometimes a
  disadvantage), but for doing just about everything pretty well, and holding
  an ENORMOUS amount of stuff, nothing can touch the Suburban.  I've got an
  older (1979) Chevy, that was made back before they took a lot of the steel
  out of the frame, etc., to improve the fuel milage (It was either 1981 or
  1982 that they "lightened" them).  It has been over "roads" that destroyed
  some brand-new compact import trucks, and it just keeps on going.  I've got
  the 400 ci small-block, which is plenty of power for most things, but if
  you're going to haul 4 bull elk at the same time (like a friend of mine did),
  plus hunters & gear, the 454 big block has enough power & torque to handle
  even that!  My friends in the construction business seem top be pretty evenly
  split on the FORD vs. CHEVY issue, but I have to say that I LOVE my Suburban
  and plan on keeping it indefinately...  Of course, it only gets used for
  hunting, camping, hauling BIG and/or LOTS of stuff (I've had 8 mountain bikes
  AND the 8 riders INSIDE it at one time, but that was just a tad cramped :-),
  or when it snows here (like this morning) and I don't want to commute to
  work on my motorcycle (usually less than 10 days per year).  It is hard to
  find older Suburbans that are still in decent condition, since private owners
  tend to hold on to them forever, and the ones for sale are the ones that have
  been "used up" in the oil fields or in the construction business.  I looked
  for almost 6 months back in 1985 before finding the one-owner 1979 with only
  42,000 miles that I bought - but if you're willing to look for a while, they
  can be found.  And in my not-so-humble opinion, nothing else comes close as
  the ultimate hunting rig.

  -Bob

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From: zaphod!davek@access.usask.ca (Dave Keith)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Apollo Scope Info Needed
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:51:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov6.085124.12611
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hello Rec.hunters

A friend of mine here in Saskatoon just discovered
that an Apollo scope which he bought used from a
shop in Washington (state) has a defective windage
adjustment.  Can anyone out there provide me with
the name / address / phone / fax of the distributer
or importer or repair depot for Appolo scopes ?
Apparently Appolo is a Japanese product and nobody
here can help.

Thankfully Ben has his old Bushnell which will
have to do when we go out after the giant
Saskatchewan White Tail in a couple of weeks !

Please email any info to :

    zaphod!davek@access.usask.ca

Thanks for your assistance.

Dave Keith
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: tomfal@tr6.wes.army.mil (Thomas Faller)
Subject: Re: semi-automatic, assault rifle, military-styled
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:23:02 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I agree that what the public perceives is important, but the solution
is in changing the public perception, rather than banning "assault
weapons".  Time marches on, and we aren't going back to throwing rocks
because it doesn't offend the ignorant. The problem is _entirely_
media generated - it's because TV and the movies are so poorly written
that they would attract _noone_ without their daily diet of full auto
and solving problems by pointing a wicked gun.

The problem is not the guns themselves, it is that people perceive
that any military style gun will be used in full auto mode, possibly
against them. This is so far from reality that it nearly constitutes a
national phobia, with a similarly irrational set of reactions.

_If_ we were to ban all military style firearms from outside a gun
case, do you really think the media would not find another target for
hysteria? How long would handgun hunters be safe? How many Rambo and
Deliverance clones would it take before bows were illegal? Take the
_Street Sweeper_; seen it much outside the movies? There are people
who want to ban _all_ semi-auto shotguns because of it

Banning semi-auto rifles that look like military rifles won't solve
the "problem" because there is no "problem" outside of people's heads.

It is the public that needs education. That's why I take people out to
shoot who have never shot before, and I make it a point to take at
least one semi- auto firearm to show them what it's really like. I go
to gun shows all the time and the sight of people carrying semi-auto
weapons around safely and having full-auto weapons on the tables
doesn't bother me for a minute. I've asked some cops who were there if
the sight of all that firepower makes them uneasy; they're usually
among the buyers, or they say "It makes my job easier."  The reality
is different from the TV show perception. The reality is what hunters
have to deal with, not some tv show producer's idea about what a
hunting rifle should look like or how well a gun works for game.

Tom Faller 


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From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Long Range rifle?
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:56:24 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

There was an interesting article in one of the rags on the Quigley
stuff. They took some replicas and did some 1000yrd shooting. They
did need to sight in but shoot some impressive stings. I will get the
name and issue of the mag if anyone is interested.

				mike


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From: ole!renfield!bender@uunet.UU.NET (Craig Bender)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Organization: Seattle Silicon Corporation, Bellevue, WA
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:56:43 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Unless you're interested in a 40's or 50's Dodge Power Wagon the only
real truck available is the FORD F-Series, however not all Fords are
equal.  You need to clearly define your use and look at many different
"rigs" before buying a pick-up means getting a good hunting vehicle.

  o  What percentage of your miles will really be in the back country ?
  o  Is your `back country' logging roads or real 4x4 tracks ?
  o  How much gas are you willing to buy year round to feed the super
     off-road truck your heart wants ?

On the more helpful side consider:

  o  Know the truck's history, one owner is best and don't buy anything
     owned or operated in the construction business (or other hard use field).

  o  If you like to drive and have control get a manual.

  o  If you're after 4x4 get manual hubs !!!  They don't breakdown as
     often and they're less money to fix.

  o  Consider 4x2 with limited-slip if most of your activity is on paved
     roads or forest service logging roads.  Limited-slip with tire
     chains will go and go as long as you don't need the "low range"
     gearing a 4x4 provides.

  o  Don't buy used 4x4 in the fall or winter, the prices are always
     higher.

I've owned four F-Series and only the used one was a dog so be careful.

    #1  `72 F-250  360  4sp   4x2  I NEVER should have sold it !!!
    #2  `82 F-150  300  3spOD 4x2  limited-slip, needed lower gears but never
                                   a tow truck (come-a-long, yes)
    #3  `84 F-150  302  Auto  4x2  Used DOG I traded the `82 for hoping to
                                   improve my towing ability.  I learned to
                                   hate the 302 Auto combination.
    #4  `91 F-150  300  5sp   4x4  has been in snow and mud axle deep and
                                   keeps on moving, small engine and highway
                                   axle ratios do require me to use low range
                                   more then the big V8 guys but I still get
                                   to the hunts.

As you may have noticed my trucks have been selected with the real world
use of driving to work requirements first and hunting second.


 [[ Now my brother buys his trucks for hunting and he has had Chevy, Ranger,
    and F-Series and he'll never buy anything but a Ford F-Series again
    but that's a topic for another story.]]

Craig Bender
     *just got back from my first black power hunt, what a blast*



Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Pix of hunters using Politically Incorrect weapons needed
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:55:08 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: semi-automatic, assault rifle, military-styled

powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:

>You'll get no help from me. I hunt and I am absolutely APPALLED
>that you and a bunch of other assholes are out there shooting
>animals with military assault weapons.

	Why not?  They are excellent weapons, very reliable and quite
accurrate, incredibly durable, and capable of killing game just fine.

	Check Page 27 of the November '92 issue of American Rifleman.
It's an ad for a Beretta 1201FP3 shotgun.  My first thought, "That would
be an outstanding slug gun for deer hunting?"  The September issue of
same has, on page 47, two Mini-14's.  One has a scope and standard wood
stock, the other a folding stock, 30-round magazine, and pistol grip.
Personally, I rather use the latter -- pistol grips are easier for me
to shoot accurrately for some reason.  The browning insert between page
48 and page 49 shows the evil BAR, a descendent of the Marine favorite in
World War II.  The October issue shows an ad with a man shooting at a
whitetail using a handgun.

	I'll leave the factual refutation of "military assault weapons"
to talk.politics.guns; discounting the weapon based solely on how it
looks is ludicrous when they perform so well while hunting.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >







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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: Advice needed on used 4x4 pickups
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:58:04 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

   From: Mark A Cavallaro <cavallar@cyber.net>
   [Stuff deleted]

   Well, I am now looking into trading my 92 civic for a used 4x4 pickup.
   Can anyone offer their advice and/or experience as to a good candidate
   (or bad) in the 85 to 87 years. Domestic or foreign, doesn't matter
   (sales taxes go to local and state gov't :>)

There really isn't much of a choice.  There are good trucks like Fords
and there are "others".  If you want a truck that will perform, get a
Ford.  If you like working on vehicles and don't mind staying on paved
roads, buy something else.

Oh ya, IMHO.

tim
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	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)



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