HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Lian Zheng <LZHENG@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: What the HK governor is doing?  Why?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:05:59 GMT

What is the HK governor doing ? and why?

The governor is not alone in this new round of conflict between British and
China over HK's affairs, the Brithsh goverment is behind him.   One cause of 
the conflict might be the following:
 
The British is near the end of the control over HK.   Onething they want to do
most is to transfer as much wealth from HK to Britain as they can.  Apparently,
CHINESE GOVERMENT IS BLOCKING THE WAY, that bothers British goverment.
   Look at the example of the new airport project,  the British wants to 
put *ALL* of HK's reserve into it ($100 Billions).  The project will be mainly
contracted to British companies.  The $100 Billions could be a really, really 
big plus for the declining British economy.   But Chinese Goverment knows it,
and is firmly against it.  Chinese goverment has repeatedly warned the 
British goverment that it will refuse to honor any contrct on which 
it has not been consulted with after 1997.  

   The people in HK are very good-hearted people, (look at their reaction 
to 6.4,  to the flood relief in China),  they desreve democracy to protect
themselves against possible troubles in the future.  But they need to
be careful to those who use the name of democracy for other purposes. 

Lian Zheng,
Indiana University at Bloomington.   


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: dating a guy from China
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:03:08 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao) writes:


>Maybe this guy just wants to have sex to satisfy his hatural desire.

>Tao
>-- 
>p

Now I made up my last decision that this Tao is a lady.
Anyone correct me? if I am wrong.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jfl@omaha.eel.ufl.edu (Yu-Fung Liu)
Subject: Re: please let Zhou Enlai rest peacefully
Reply-To: edo@ugrad.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department (Graduate Student)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.150729.18520@tamsun.tamu.edu>, hongl@cs.tamu.edu (HL) writes:
|> 3).  For those of you who think he could have stopped Mao from doing wrong
|> things, think twice.  Zhou didn't have the power or military support.  Even
|> if he did, was starting a civil war really worth it?  People had suffered 
|> enough from World Wars.  Besides, he couldn't foresee what could happen in
|> the future, being in his shoes, he avoided internal fights by compromising.
|> 4).  For those of you who think he should have stood up to Mao, then he would
|> be a hero, but would China be better off with a dead Zhou.  He put down his
|> pride, his honor, even himself, worked hard for the goals he believed would
|> be beneficial to China at that time.
|> 5).  He was found with cancer in 1973, I think.  In the final 4 years of his
|> life, he could have chosen to lay back and rest, but instead, he chose to work
|> even harder in order to compete with time, to try to get as many barriers out 
|> of way as possible, and he suffered tremendously.

You are right! I respect Mr.Zhou Enlai just like Dr.Sun.
In that sense, Dr.Sun made a much bigger mistake than Mr.Zhou Enlai.
They are both the kind of hero who scariy themself for the sake of national
unity and people's interest.

|> 6).  For those of you who think he did wrong and want to punish him,
|> just think having no children as his punishment.  Even if the rumor were true
|> that he had children, then he couldn't know his children, live with his 
|> children, must be a painful thing.

I think those people who critize him with special goals in mind should be punish.

|> 7).  For those of you who like to judge people, just step in his shoes and
|> see if you can do better.  If not, then stop judging him.  If yes, then
|> have you done anything for the people.  Even if the answer is yes, shouldn't
|> you spend more time on helping others since you have the ability than judging
|> him.  May be you would say you don't have the power, but then since you have
|> the ability, you should be able to think some way to do more constructive 
|> things.

For the sake of their own selfishness and inability, they never qualify to step
in his shoes.
I dare to challenge those people who critize Mr.Zhou in the net for following
condition:
If any of you did make more constribution to china than Mr.Zhou, I will
apologize to you for my judgement of your ability and characters publicly.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:24:40 GMT

In article <15NOV199215550076@jane.uh.edu> math1pf@jane.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
>In article <~{5K~}.92Nov15134353@bunny.bunny.rhic.bnl.gov>, ~{5K~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes...
>>>>>>> In article <lg8ac5INNbkc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
>>>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Lin <stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
>>....
>>  Steven> In 1992, we mainly celebrate the protection bill passed,
>>  Steven> in the expense of many deads at TAM at 6/4 of 1989.
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What's the meaning of  the prepositional phrase "at the expense of" ?
Study Head Quarter's "Decrees" carfully, you may find some hints on
Two_year_home_country_excemption and "protection bill" as important factors
in TAM all deal and "human rights" compaign later on. 
When truth bocomes lie, the lie bocomes truth!
(Jia3 Wei2 Zen1 Si2, Zen1 Yi2 Jia3; Wu2 Wei You3 Si2, You3 Yi3 Wu2!)
>
>To my understanding (might be wrong,comments are welcome),it means
>to do some sacrifice in order to achieve a more important goal.
>
>For instance,CG gained control over China at the expense of many deads
>in TAM on 6/4 of 1989.
>
>Neither CSS nor the U.S. goverment killed anybody to get the bill passed.
>Rather,you can say it is FOR THE SAKE OF ...
>
>So calling that the passage of the protection bill is at the expense of 
>..,is a mis-understanding of either the phrase or the fact.
>> 
>>Steve, shame on you to lick clean the blood!
>> 
>> 
>>--
>> 
>>~{5K6,F=~} 


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30655 talk.politics.china:2758
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Source of general documents
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:00:41
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: blackjack.ai.mit.edu

{Disclaimer: This article was originally posted to other news group,
 it is reposted verbatim with the hope that this news group might find it
 informative.  The view contained in this article is the author's.}

Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Declaration Of Independence - text wanted
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:48:42 GMT

=================
README
=================
Directory of general documents related to government. It includes the
U.S. Constitution and mailing addresses for U.S. Senators and
Representatives.

The archive is accessible via anonymous ftp and email. Ftp to
ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.3). It is in directory "pub/academic/civics".
For email access, send email to archive-server@eff.org. Include the
line:
      civics <filenames>
where <filenames> is a list of the files that you want. File README is
a detailed description of the items in the directory.

=================
administration.address
=================
Addresses for writing to the President, the Vice-President, and
cabinet members.

=================
congress.address
=================
A list of U.S. Senators and Representatives. The list includes
name, party, hometown, DC telephone, and committee assignments.

=================
constitution.us
=================
The Constitution of the United States

=================
dec_of_ind
=================
The Declaration of Independence

=================
fcc
=================
Address, names, and fax number for the Federal Communications Commission

=================
house-of-reps.tel-and-fax
=================
House of Representatives faxes and phones

=================
judiciary.fax
=================
The fax numbers of the members of the Senate judiciary committee.

=================
senate.label-ready
=================
Mailing labels for U.S. Senators

=================
=================
Last update
Sun Feb 16 17:21:19 EST 1992

-- 
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists ?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:16:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.124011.797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	Let me ask you a question. Imagine someone in your family, maybe
>your father or mother, goes into business in China. After some initial
>success this relative finds himself in competition with some government
>official, and is winning the competition. The government official, in 
>fear of going out of business, arrests your relative and puts him in
>jail for 10 years on some trumped up charges. For example, your relative
>is accused of being a "counterrevolutionary". 
>
>	Now, in this situation, would you support CMFN? Or rather, wouldn't
>you support *anything* that might help eliminate such injustices?

Mark, your imagination is too far away from the reality.
Were the government officials care about going out of
business,  China would be at a better shape now.
You poor argument does not strengthen, but actually weakens
the justification of CMFN.
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
    <1992Nov20.020714.10474@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> 
    <1992Nov20.125217.15915@ms.uky.edu> <By13Mv.L98@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:44:27 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>The comments I made was
>to a guy (I forgot his name) who worked for People's Daily :-).
>Even for that I was not intended to say, but he said he worked
>20 hours a day and had to send his children to grandma. I felt
>he was unfair to his kids.

Everything goes fine, but this. I remeber he said something about the news
on People's Daily are about plain hard working people ... how they work hard.
If you feel not like that paper, don't go beyound that. This logic is not hard
to follow. If you say "something is not true ..." that is one thing. But if you
know something is true and you have to win the debate, play wise.
I like to see boxing, but if you jump out of the circle and hit everyone,
it is not fun to me.
By the way, I like to read correct logic.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30882 soc.culture.hongkong:14671
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: SCHK in Shanghai!!!!!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:41:04 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw406


Congratulations!  BTW, The top 10 hot dishes in that 
newsgroup is:

Responses     Subject                                   

  33     The whole story about the commercial by KCR 
  30     cantonese songs
  21     Vivian Chow
  18     The commercial by KCR
  17     Is is right to eat dogs?
  13     One Joke A Day, No More Girls Say No Way
  12     Broadway Musical + Lam + extra(Re: LAM is a Legend!)
  12     This News Group Surprises Me!
  10     What the hell is Lam's first name?(Re: LAM is God!!)
  10     Questions on obtaining British National Citizenship

What wonderful subjects!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: qye@next3 (QIAN YE)
Subject: Re: Deng = Angel?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:57:35 GMT

In article <92322.101314PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.174846.10199@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu  
says:
> >
> >Among the leaders in CG, I like Deng Xiaoping best. It seems to me that  
he is
> >a
> >non-communist among the CCP leaders. Compare to Mao, he is an angel  
while Mao              
> >is a devil. I like him because he is practical and puts emphasis on  
economics.
> >I still remember his good economic policy in early 1970s that brought  
many
> >Chinese relatively better lives then. I hope he can live longer and 
   Live longer than Chen Yun, Bo(2) yi(1) Bo(1) these old hardline is         
enough, then Deng can go. Nothing can stop the free market and democracy  
in China. I wait for China's young leader. 
thus give
> >China a period of time of stability and economic growth. It's more  
healthy to
> >pursue democracy and freedom based on the relatively developed economy.
> >
> >Carl
> 
> He'd better find someone to blame for the 6.4 killings, or most chinese  
people
> will not forgive him, I think.
But you can't deny it is Deng who is developing the free market economics  
in China despite the opposite of most of other old CCP. Deng is respected  
by Chinese other than be worshiped like Mao. So what Wei said 10 years ago  
didn't and will not happen.
> 
>
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Somebody tell me why this is wrong
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:32:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics

In article <1992Nov23.155635.10794@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>	It seems to me that it is extremely hypocritical to be both for
>unconditional MFN and for (and protected by) the Student Protection Act.

	It is.  I am for UMFN and against the Protection Act (as if I 
were not infamous enough...).



    Eddie
From: shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Status of 3d preference
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:48:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: wam.1992Nov15.174844.7630
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Nov15.160930.25473@news.duc.auburn.edu> ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding) writes:
>In article <92318.171303JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Could anyone explain this: if a university professor applies for permanent
>>residence, does s/he belong to the 2d or the 3d preference?
>>Luo.
>
>I believe this depends on the experience of this professor. I think to qualify for 2nd you
>need to have at least 3 years of teaching and post-dog (:-) experience. Otherwise you go                                      ^^^^^^^^

	Interesting! You mean post-doc? I don't know if your usage is popular.
                              ^^^^^^^^
>straight to 3rd. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 93chen@cua.edu
Subject: Re: X Window Research and Expertise in China
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:31:50 GMT

In article <BxxEoE.9Lx@tss.com>, xin@tss.com (Xin Ye) writes:
> I am interested to know the University names
> and professor names in China that have X Window
> research and development expertise.
> 
> If you are in the U.S. on visiting scholar status,
> I am also interested to talk to you.
> 
> We are trying to start some X window projects on 
> Windows NT platform and are interested to have 
> people join us.
> 
> I would appreciated if you can provide me with 
> any information.
> 
> Xin Ye
> Teknekron Software Systems
> 530 Lytton Ave #301
> Palo Alto, CA 94013
> 415-617-2220
> 
> Email: xin@tss.com
> 
> 
> 
I know that the dept. of computer science at the beijing university of 
aeronautics and astronautics has some workstations. I don't know what
exactly they are. I saw people working on them when I was there.
xingfu 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: CFMN?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:36:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.184450.6051@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:

>It would prove that all these CMFN bills are just smoking screens for
>power joggling. The Democrats's real intention was to embarrass Mr. Bush
>and the Republicans. Now that they have successfully removed Bush from
>office. CMFN would dissapear or become secondary. It's sad people like
>Xiao-lin Li who,even though having been highly educated, 
>are being played by politicians like cards
>without even realizing this. When can you really grow up!

Even CMFN includes MFN. So the real issue is not whether to
have MFN or not, but to have MFN while having concern of
other things in mind. For example, I bet if Pelosi is once
again arrested by the Chinese police, her CMFN bill will
be passed. I don't think Clinton would veto a bill made by
the Democrats. I think the CG should have more concern on
the Congress than that of Clinton. It takes more determination
for Clinton to veto a Democrat's bill while it took one second
for Bush to veto the Democrat. Remember Clinton does not make 
the law, he either sign it or veto it.

If you really want to have Clinton on your side, lobby Republican
to initiate the CMFN :-).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:27:20 GMT


From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
>My sympathy to you. But I think it is not right to send your kids to
>your grandma. Kids need to stay with their immediate parents unless
>the parents are not qualified. You should demand for 20hr pay as well.
....
    
	Thank you for the teaching, though everyone knows it.
	The problem was not to evaluate working style, but rather, 
	whether the Chinese people who worked hard to make their country
	stronger should be respected or not.

	If someone can respect W. Clinton, (no problem on respecting to
	a person and no problem on congratulation to him as long as he
	is viewed as US president only) why can't he respect Chinese
	people?


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30676 soc.culture.taiwan:15418 soc.culture.hongkong:14527
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: FWD for Mr. H. Anonymous - Vietnam (4)
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:32:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

This is again a forwarding.

============================================================
 RE: Vietnam (IV)
 (Or RE: Learn from Geshu (XVI))

Sanyee wrote:

> ....  So what is the big deal to use "Vietnam" for
>its territory (less the Mekong Delta in the south) that had been once under
>the Chinese rule for a millennium?

First I'm not unimpressed by Sanyee's dismissal of things with "what is 
the big deal", considering that just a few days ago he was using his 
perfect though unsubstantiated "back-to-the-future" hindsight to 
"correct" my humble history notes.  Some progress, indeed.

But all the readers after reading my earlier notes on how many years
(or rather centuries) it took the Viets to reach the Mekong Delta would 
know that, even after Sanyee's newly added "less the Mekong Delta" 
qualification (in his trademark back-to-the-future fashion again, 
naturally), it would be still quite a "deal" for the Viets to achieve, 
to say the very least.  Unless, that is, Sanyee would like us to read 
his future posts, particularly when he's "correcting" others, 
as _San1Guo2Yan3Yi4_, namely something that is "Qi1Shi2 San1Xu1". 
Or maybe more correctly in Sanyee's case, "3Shi 7Xu"?  

Or another possibility to get out of this non-existent "mess" and/or
"windmill":  It is all because our Viet brothers had not asked our 
brilliant armchair military strategist Sanyee to lead their "Nam-Tien" 
efforts.  If they ever had, Sanyee would "_surely_" have led them to 
the 18th, 17th, and 16th parallels in no time, and as easily as "river 
goes out to sea", provided, of course, our older chap happened to be 
"willing" at the time.

In this spirit I would have to concur: "Yep. What's big deal?" and
"where's the mess?".  For Sanyee's is certainly well within what 
would be allowed as "artistic imagination" for Mr. Luo Guanzhong 
(hence perhaps the popularity of that novel among our Viet brothers,
in addition to it being about a period of their "Bac Thuoc/Bei Shu"
history), not to mention the much more "volatile" seasonal/perennial 
"political variation" the CCP has had (e.g. "Our dear Viet brothers"-> 
"treacherous running dogs of the Soviets" -> now "our little socialist 
brother" again).

(To be continued)
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From: yxie@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A tEsT
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:58:23 GMT

This is a test please ignore. :->




Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30543 talk.politics.china:2718 soc.culture.taiwan:15378
From: wang@apache.dtcc.edu (Wang Gang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Date: 16 Nov 1992 08:20:46 -0500
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dtcc.edu


In article <1992Nov16.111721.90604@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>The Chinese leadership in Beijing is set to liberalise its policy on
>overseas study by allowing all students to study overseas, and to permit
>all returning students to leave and enter the country when they wish.
>
>China maintained strict quotas and selection procedures on overseas
>study, and very few citizens had the right to leave and enter the
>country.  But now Li Tieying, minister in charge of the State Education
>Commission has said that China would issue passports to all students
>accepted by foreign universities.  And government would "respect their
>freedom of travel" on their return to Chine after graduation.
>




Does this mean that I spent 5000 yuan, and gave up my Fudan diploma to enter
a community college in US, is just a WASTE OF TIME ?????!!!!

If I find it true, I will NEVER go back to China.

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From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Any response from CG to Clinton's Election?
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:00:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov15.110015.15958
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <9603@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <12NOV199221284985@utkvx2.utk.edu> abc@wam.umd.edu writes:
>>AI know, CG would like to see Bush to be re-elected.  Is there any
>>response from CG to the Clinton's big victory?  I am just wondering,
>>since I have no People's Daily any, and I do not want to spend a
>>quater to buy a copy.
> 
Yes, and quite timely and positive.  People's Daily would be nolonger free
next year.  It costs $24 through the consulate (otherwise $65).  I believed
the description of Clinton on People's Daily was somewhat more "positive"
than my local newspaper who endosed Clinton.  

>There are surely respoonses from CG.  I hope your paper does keep you
>informed so that you don't have to ask using the net-resource which 
>cost much more than a quater.
>
>-- 
>//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.