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From: pledge@netcom.com (Alan McLachlan)
Subject: PET
Keywords: PET,cbm,old
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:43:08 GMT


Could anyone direct me to a source to get an old PET, you know the one with
the tiny keyboard and the datasette in the keyboard?

Thanks for any help!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: rgc94@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cruz roderick)
Subject: >>games and the C64
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:40:28 GMT

Does anybody remember FORBIDDEN FOREST?  It was one of the first games I
became addicted to.  Actually, I think I'm the only one who liked games
from COSMI,  I believe Paul Norman? had a series of games that I played often.

I think the first game I ever bought was BLUE MAX.  I thought the graphics
were so incredible, considering the only graphics I had seen on my C64 was
the Hot Air Balloon Demo program in the Owner's Manual.

I guess I'm just reliving fond memories.


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From: mcmillan_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: PAL/NTSC screen display
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:43:03 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

A couple of weeks ago I posted a msg about 'American monitors' and the 
problems I had with the 80 col screen on the 128 being elongated with
certain programs. In particular Desterm, Kermit and Paperclip III.

Thanks to Jim (cloos@TC.Cornell.EDU) who provided me with detailed
information on the VDC chip, I was able (with some lucky hacking) to fix
the problem with Kermit and Desterm, but not Paperclip. (Yet!)

What was happening was, these programs were re-initialling the VDC chip back
to NTSC conditions, which mucked things up for PAL users. The critical
registers were numbers 4 (vertical total) and 7 (vertical sync).

Details of the fix are:-

KERMIT
Load Kermit (120 blocks) in 128 mode,
Enter monitor, type M 0827B 0827E
Change the byte at 827B from 20 to 26
   and the byte at 827E from 1D to 20
eXit monitor, resave KERMIT.

DESTERM
Enter monitor, type l"desterm2.00",8   (223 blocks)
Change byte at 8EAE from 20 to 26
   and byte at 8EB1 from 1E to 20
Scratch "desterm2.00" then
s"desterm2.00",8,0F00,EC33

I don't know what would happen to NTSC systems (maybe the screen would go
smaller?), anyway hope it helps some PAL user. I sure made the programs
much nicer for me to use!

Cheers - Kirk
From: gregm@planet10.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Marr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: COMPUTE
Date: 23 Nov 1992 01:41:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov23.114909.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> withers_n@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>  I have just seen a copy of COMPUTE (Sept. 1992) which contains a PC section
>and GAZETTE.
>Now, in the magazine is a Subscription card which asks you to check the edition
>that you want when ordering.
>The choices are.....# IBM/BM compatible
plain edition
>                    # Amiga
above with Amiga section
>                    # Commodore 64/128
plain with Commodore section, includes type-ins
>                    # Multi Edition
plain with Amiga AND Commodore sections.
>
>Does this mean that Gazette is published as a separate magazine again ?
no
>Or would the Multi Edition contain the same Commodore material anyway ?
yes
>
>Thanks for any information
you're welcome
>
>Nick Withers.
Greg Marr.


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Subject: COMPUTE
From: withers_n@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:49:09 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

  I have just seen a copy of COMPUTE (Sept. 1992) which contains a PC section
and GAZETTE.
Now, in the magazine is a Subscription card which asks you to check the edition
that you want when ordering.
The choices are.....# IBM/BM compatible
                    # Amiga
                    # Commodore 64/128
                    # Multi Edition

Does this mean that Gazette is published as a separate magazine again ?
Or would the Multi Edition contain the same Commodore material anyway ?

Thanks for any information

Nick Withers.
From: GHIELMET@eldi.epfl.ch (Leopoldo Ghielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: 1541 connected to an IBM
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:05:11 GMT
Organization: LGSoftware
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

In <1992Nov15.143659.16907@crash> tfinn@crash.cts.com writes:
> Do you really need to tie all the ground lines together on the PC side? Or
> just pick one that you'd like to use? I would love to make this thing!

It's the same thing, so you can chose a ground pin if you like; my choice is
pin 18.

ciao, Leopoldo

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: "p. colagiacomo" <p..colagiacomo@canrem.com>
Subject: turrican 2
Reply-To: "p. colagiacomo" <p..colagiacomo@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:02:00 EST

There was never a version of Turrican 2 that was NTSC fixed.  I know
several people in Europe that tried to fix it so it would work on NTSC
screens and people in USA tried as well but no luck.  There is only a
PAL version.  I always get games from Europe when released and theres
Elvira 2 and Greystorm to be released.  Greystorm is already released
and its supposed to be a EXCELLENT game.
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From: at847@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Hunsinger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: X1541.EXE, 1541 connected to an IBM
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:59:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Can someone FTP this to Milton or something? Getting UUdecoded
files off Usenet is a real pain from here....

Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: OS's on a 64
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
Distribution: comp.sys.cbm
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:06:22 GMT

I am wondering if there are any OS's, such as OS9 that will run on a 
C64.

Thanks
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Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
From: bob@anagld.analytics.com (Bob Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: C64 emulator for IBM???
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:22:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

tom@microsoft.com (Tom McConnell) writes:
yes, there is a 64 emulator on simtel...it works...look under
emulators directory.


>Does such a thing exist?

>-Tom


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From: wolinsky@remus.rutgers.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: For Sale: C128 POWER SUPPLY
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:12:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

best offer takes it.
Respond to: wolinsky@remus.rutgers.edu
From: mcmillan_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: C64.zip kaput?
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:12:35 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

I have downloaded a file called c64.zip from ftp site f.ms.uky.edu.
It looks like a C64 emulator for the PC... and although I can unzip it
the c64.exe file won't run on my AT.
The doc file is in German.
Has anyone else had any success in running it?
Thanks for any info...

Cheers - Kirk
__________________
Hey! The PC is just to impress the natives. My real computer is a 128.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: jay@earth (Jay Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: >>games and the C64
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Lafayette, Louisiana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:55:36 GMT

In Article: 6173 of comp.sys.cbm
dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:

>In article <BxutJI.D0s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rgc94@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cruz roderick) writes:
>>Does anybody remember FORBIDDEN FOREST?  It was one of the first games I
>>became addicted to.  Actually, I think I'm the only one who liked games
>>from COSMI,  I believe Paul Norman? had a series of games that I played often.
>I remember FF... those bloody spiders that would come from everywhere... :)
>
>
>Who remembers Vic 20 games?
>
>Such as....
>
>	Radar Rat Race?
>
>	Blue Meanies from Outer Space!
>
>	Snakman
>
>--
> Michael Dinn, CS Student  |  dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca, dinn@appliedmicro.ns.ca

Radar Rat Race? I still have that! Raid on Fort Knox, The Sky is
Falling, Pinball, I still have those and more! 4 Vic 20's too.... Those
were the days......




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From: stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: database help
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:42:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.

Well, I managed to transfer my data files from my 1541 to my 1581 by writing
a little program. (a slow one).  The database manager I have used since the
beginning of time on my c64 is one from
Microspec, Database version 1.001, 1982
2905 Ports O'call ct.
Plano, Tx. 75075.  
I tried writing a couple of years back and got a 'no one called that at
that address' on my returned envelope.  This program saves the data as random
files, i.e., no directory record of it, and dumps the data directly to the
disk sectors.  This limits the no. of records to 664 minus tracks 17, 18, and
most of 19, which it uses for file definitions, etc.  
Well, I'm running out of room for more records, and don't want to go to another disk.
When I ran the program using the 1581, the program did not recognize any
thing on track one after sector 20, in other words, the program thought it had
a 1541.  Since the program doesn't seem to decompile using any decompiler that
I have, I don't want to disect 108 blocks of code to tell the program that I
have 40 sectors/track.
My questions,
1.) anyone else ever see this program before or any updates to it?
2.) is there another database program out there that I could use on my
    1581 that would recognize the drive for what it is?
3.) anyone have a favorite database program?
I guess since I've successfully read the old data from the 1541, I could
put it in any format that another program could read.  Too many of the
programs I've seen use sequential files for data.  This seems that it could
get slow when the files are > 500 blocks long.
Thanks for any info.

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From: CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu (ChrisSlothman Stoy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: COMPUTE
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:08:02 GMT
 <1epunqINNqgj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Penn State University

I used to get a copy of the mulit edition and it had the Gazette part, but no
type in programs.  The only way to get the type in programs is by getting the
Gazette edition (64/128 edition).  I recently let my subscription run out
because I don't use my 64 much anymore. Also, the Gazette edition was getting
prety thin.  I'm sure they would appreciate some programmers out there sending
them a new program or two.  It's a great way to earn a little cash.

Just my 2x10:-2 cents.


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From: cdminter@icaen.uiowa.edu (Corey D Minter)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:08:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

cs4gp6aw@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Paul Mora) writes:

>One of the games that REALLY hooked me was one called PARADROIDS. I loved
>using my trackball to scour the spaceship, overriding different droids
>until I finally came across the command droid 999. 

>That has to be one of the best games EVER for the 64.

Yea Paradroid had great plot/graphics/action.  It was one of the best
Anyone every play Nemesis Warlock, that was a great game that I recently
dug out this weekend!
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From: cs4gp6aw@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Paul Mora)
Subject: Re: >>games and the C64
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:01:07 GMT

VIC-20 GAMES!!!

My all time favourite game for the VIC was DEMON ATTACK by Imagic. the
graphics and sound were incredible, considering it was being run with only
5 K of memory.

I also am the proud owner of RADAR RATRACE, RAID ON FORT KNOX, and NIGHT DRIVE.
I think I also have COSMIC CRUNCHER somewhere.

There is a parts store in Toronto that recently got boxes and boxes of old
VIC games, and was selling them for $1 each. I think I blew close to $30.

My first love... :-)

pm

Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: bris@chem.ualberta.ca (Tom Brisbane)
Subject: gds gif viewer mods
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:37:22 GMT

I have read recently somewhere else that there are some
mods available that patch the GDS program, that is used
for viewing gifs on the C128.  Am I correct in this? I
have the original early version from Qlink and have not
seen any comments on the net regarding patches to this
program.
   Any comments would be appreciated...

Thanks,

Tom Brisbane
bris@sunfun.chem.ualberta.ca
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: GEOS and HP Deskjet 500?
Keywords: geos. deskjet. printer drivers.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:35:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.024644.11074@cunews.carleton.ca> gfrajkor@alfred.carleton.ca (George Frajkor) writes:
>
>  You can do it two ways.  There is a laserjet driver (serial or
>parallel must be chosen) which I use, with the Epson emulation
>cartridge disengaged.  Or you can plug in the Epson cartridge and use
>an FX80 driver.  I have not found any difference in quality or speed
>although in theory the laserjet driver should be faster.  The deskjet
>uses the same HPL language as Laserjets.  
>
>

	I must have an outdated driver, then.  All I get a choice of 
when I try to print using the Laserjet driver is baud and reduction 
rates.  No mention is made of serial or parallel.
 
	Anyone willing to mail a newer driver for a few bucks? 

	Thanks,
	Mike

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Favorite Games
From: oberland@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:07:09 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Here goes:
BESSSST Game, IMO is Raid on Bungling Bay.
Cooolest chopper use and animation I have ever seen!

Defender of the Crown.  Music=wow!

Uridium
Laser-Chess(Run type-in game)
Realm of Impossibility
Beach Head II - lovvve this game.  Play against friend. says:
"Follow me, men!"
"You can't hurt me!!!"
"Uhhhhhhh..."
"They got me!"
etc. :)
WAYYYY cool.  Only my mac does better sound.

Qix- WAYYYY cool game, even if it is old.  HARD game on higher levels.

That is all I can think of in 5 min.
Those are about ALL I play.
I still love my 64 more than anything.  Easy, fast, and brute-force.
and... CHEAP!   Entire machine costs less than 100 if it blows up(to get
a used, like new cond. one)
Best W.P. programs, IMO.  Crude, but simple, fast, and effective.
(I have a RAM-drive, so yes, it DOES run fast)
:)

My Mac plus just sits there, and only is used for telecomm.
(heh)

Joe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: QWKie UUencodes:
From: mcmillan_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:19:28 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <B5g9TB3w164w@jwt.UUCP>, bbs-artmoore@jwt.UUCP (arthur moore) writes:

> You will also need CSX01, the MS-DOS style .ARC dissolver.  This is not 
> included in the QWKIE archive.  If necessary, I can encode that also, but 
> you should be able to find it locally.

Yes, please! Either a uuencode msg, or ftp site address would be
much appreciated. I did try sending you e-mail but got a SMPT 
delivery error - whatever that is! Thanks.

Cheers - Kirk
From: ac803@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael W. Kelley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: GEOS and HP Deskjet 500?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:43:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac803@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael W. Kelley)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, harding@hpavla.lf.hp.com (Ken Harding) says:

>In comp.sys.cbm, mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Michael Hall) writes:
>
>
>> ... I'd like to know if there is a printer driver for the Hewlett
>> Packard DeskJet or DeskJet 500 in Geos 2.0. 
>
>> 	Mike
>
>> -- 
>
>No there is not a printer driver for the HPDeskJet in GEOS 2.0, meaning not
>included with the program.  However, there are GEOS drivers available for the
>DeskJet.  Check some of the BBS' or ftp sites on the NET (i.e. milton).  I
>personally know of a driver that exists on Q-Link because I downloaded it for
>my DeskJet.  I don't use it regularly though, because it supports 100 dpi mode
>only and not the 300 dpi mode.  Bummer!  But if you're looking to just be able
>to use the DeskJet with GEOS for general printouts it's okay.
There are actually TWO Deskjet files on Q, and one is over 200 blocks long.
I downloaded them and will be pasing them along to Michael Hall via
Snailmail. Hopefully he can give someinput on how well they work and what
the differences are between the two.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
From: AMOUTR01@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: e: 1541 connected to an IBM
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:09:33 GMT

Can someone direct me to the specifications on the cable, I missed that part
of the thread.
 
Also, please direct me to the x1541.exe.
 
Thank you very much,
 
Mark adams
amoutr01@ysub.ysu.edu
From: msmakela@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Utilizing Commodore 64
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:57:09 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

I have programmed an utility that helps playing computer games. A C64 is
connected from its user port to another computer's Atari-style joystick port.
The joystick is connected to the C64.

First the game is played with the joystick. The program stores the movements
and echoes them to the other computer simultanously. The same movement sequence
may be repeated later by the program. So, if you want to impress your friends
with your arcade game skills, just use this program! There are also some
effects: reclining autofire, left-right rocking and up-down rocking. The
left-right rocking is a must in Decathlon, and the two rockings can be combined
to rotate the stick as required in Summer Games' cycling.

I will place the file on a proposed FTP server or to this newsgroup in
UUencoded form, if you are interested.
From: edwardp@ra.cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Confessions of a Commodore Junkie (Was: Re: SMART DRUGS2)
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:00:16 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <By5xCx.DL0@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.225129.9855@cs.umb.edu> edwardp@ra.cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz) writes:
>> I'd say it's a good thing.  The more computers being sold in Europe, and
>> the U.S., the better it will be for software developers to come out with
>> new and exciting programs for Commodore users.
>
>How will C=64's do that? Oh well, it'll help finance future Amigas.

I disagree.  Someone looking for an entry-level computer, their first computer
would probably be a C-64 over an Amiga.  I find the C-64 easier to use than an
Amiga, I couldn't make heads or tails out of the Amiga graphical user 
interface it comes with.

Ed

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From: u9148043@cs.uow.edu.au (Justin Jay Lister)
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:04:28 GMT

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

>In article <4ceVTB1w164w@jwt.UUCP>, bbs-artmoore@jwt.UUCP (arthur moore) writes:
>|>  
>|> Another great one is Space Taxi.  That was the first time I heard the 64 
>|> talk..
>|> "Pad 7, please!"

>Ohhhhh, yes! I forgot all about Space Taxi. I showed some friends a similar 
>game on the Amiga, and NOT ONE of them had ever heard of Space Taxi!!!!

>SIGH.

>First speech I ever heard, tho, was on Impossible Mission. Still ranks with
>the best talking games out... "Welcome. Stay Awhile... STAY FOREVER!!!!"

I prefer the Arrrrgggghhhhh .. (If I rember correctly it took me 1:11 to
get to the end (the first time I did) )


>|> ( ( Art Moore  | Usenet bbs-artmoore@jwt.uucp
>|>  ) )           |  -or-  bbs-artmoore@jwt.oau.org
>|> ( (            | Fidonet CBM  -  Arthur Moore
>|>  ) )__Ask me about the C64 qwk offline reader!__

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