HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Demise of honor programs in public high schools
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:09:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <Btv7Kn.67D@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.031807.13245@jlc.mv.com> john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie) writes:
>>In article <BtGtF1.60B@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu 
>>(Herman Rubin) writes:
>>>
>>>This has been stated repeatedly on this group, but there are always new
>>>readers.  I claim that we will never have even a fair educational system
>>>as long as our children are prevented from learning because others cannot
>>>do what they can.  

			...........................

>But, to be devil's advocate, when there's one teacher and thirty
>first-graders, I can see why conformity is the only goal the
>teacher can be certain of achieving, and is essential to her
>sanity.

			........................

But why does that mean that all the children must be taught in the same
way, or even kept in the same classroom?  Even if the class size were 
reduced, it would still give a problem.

And in response to the quite relevant remarks of Ms. Perry, I would like
to modify my "cannot" above to "cannot or will not."
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
From: eirvine@metz.une.edu.au (Edward Irvine, , ,(Oz) 067 73 2039)
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Wiz-bang graphics.
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:35:31 GMT
Reply-To: eirvine@metz.une.edu.au
Originator: eirvine@metz.une.edu.au

Hello out there.  I am preparing some computer education lessons
on simulation and graphics.

Does anyone know some files of NASA voyager or magellan pictures - the ones
that have been rendered by computer?

Can anyone recommend files of Landsat pictures.  I have a gif viewer and
ftp access.

Thanks in advance.


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But what if the whole thing is conscious ?           eirvine@metz.une.edu.au
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Newsgroups: cu.general,boulder.general,co.general
From: harrisoc@spot.Colorado.EDU (HARRISON CHET EARL)
Subject: The Naildrivers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:32:50 GMT

                      PPND Productions Presents

                           The Naildrivers
                                with
                            China My Eyes

                     At the Marquee Club, Boulder
                            Wednesday Sept 2


Xref: sparky boulder.general:830 co.general:1205
From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.general
Subject: Re: A followup.
Date: 22 Aug 92 07:41:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: scicom.26181
Followup-To: boulder.general
Distribution: co
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com ( John Salmi ) makes a convincing 
argument against Ammendment 2  by posting an opinion letter from the
Boulder Daily Camera.  He then astounds with:

>The intention of the posting was NOT to supply fuel for a flame war.  It was
>also not the intention of the posting to offend.  It was merely to inform. 

If you've spent more than five minutes reading any newsgroup, you know that
this statement is utterly preposterous.  I think you posted it for exactly that
reason - to start a flame war.

However, flames never sputter here for longer than a few days.  I refer you
to talk.politics.misc to hone the art of digital violence.  The stuff you
deposited in co.general is strictly Bush league.

>If the posting did indeed offend, I apologize.  If the article promotes open
>discussion of issues, great.

Baloney, you are not sorry, unless of course you have the sensitivity of
a brick.  Even if I believed that the letter raised issues worthy of 
discussion (which I don't), you can't honestly expect "open discussion of
issues" after posting such a hostile piece of tripe.

Thanks to the recent RNC, there is yet another divisive issue on the table
which threatens to tear the country apart.  As a former Republican, it
saddens me to see the polarization taking place in this country.  The L.A.
riots may just have been a harbinger of awful things to come.  Buchanan's
speech was certainly not encouraging.  Take the cities back, indeed!









-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                      rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com]
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Subject:  FOR SALE: Trek 7000 Mountain Bike
Reply-To: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:36:08 GMT


16.5" trek 7000 (Aluminum) mountain bike for sale. 
Shimano LX components
Scott bars
Good condition
 
$440 obo

492 0958
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: jcook@mumble.cs.Colorado.EDU (Jonathan Cook)
Subject: Room for rent
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:37:34 GMT

Room for rent in a 2 BR apt (house basement). Looking for
male, non-smoking, not-too-loud-most-of-the-time, preferably
senior to grad student type. $250/mo incl utils (~phone).
On 23rd near Folsom + Valmont. Call Hector or Jon (me)
at 444-5167.


Xref: sparky boulder.general:829 co.general:1202
From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.general
Subject: Re: Promise Keepers
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:58:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: eklektix.1992Aug22.055826
Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado

judd@wilkinson.cs.colorado.edu (Stephen Judd) writes:
[cheap shot on anybody-in-Boulder-is-flaming-hellbound-liberal]
>>	An abomination!!  Who said that?  Who put the ink to paper? 
>
>Let us consider this for one minute.  My version, the King James Version, says:

Yes, by all means let us consider that 300-year-old mistranslation, bent by
the political climate of the times, and further perverted by the changed
meanings of words over 15 generations.  Mediocre scholarship, compounded by
biases of an ancient patriarchal monarchy, then rotted into anachronism over
several hundred years...yep, that sure must be God's one chosen annointed
holy word, fer shure dude!

>Paul writes as well, soon thereafter:
>"It is good for a man not to touch a woman...

Let's revel in taking things out of context--as I've just done, but barely
more than the quoted article, for effect.  Hey, cool, but I'm glad men
touch women (and vice-versa and lots more) or we be gone from here.

>I am speechless.

We wish several more folks were.
-- 
Dick Dunn    rcd@raven.eklektix.com   -or-   raven!rcd    Boulder, Colorado
				Cats!
Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.general
From: weverka@csn.org (Robert T. Weverka)
Subject: Re: Promise Keepers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:36:36 GMT

In <1992Aug27.074243@eklektix.com> rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn) writes:
>But I'd like to
>find a good mechanic and an excellent carpenter.  (I know where to get the
>best burger/fries, and an excellent beer; that's close enough to salvation
>for me as long as I can make my own huevos rancheros.)
>
Try "Olivers" Cabinetry & Fine Furniture -Ben Oliver 447-2306
1918 Pine Street, Boulder CO

I have seen excellent work of his at the Vail woodworking show.

-Ted


Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.general
From: grunwald@mumble.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald)
Subject: Re: Promise Keepers
Reply-To: grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
	<1992Aug26.164440.26728@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<1992Aug27.074243@eklektix.com>
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:39:17


>>>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:42:43 GMT, rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn) said:
	...
DD> I'm just here for a while; don't need no lord nor saviour.  But I'd like to
DD> find a good mechanic and an excellent carpenter.  (I know where to get the
--

Hey, speaking of, anyone know of a good contracter to sink fence posts
and to build a stairway down a steep hillside?  Walking on water not
necessary.
Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.general,misc.forsale.computers
From: kenw@teal.csn.org (Ken Waletzki)
Subject: FOR SALE: XT speed Laptop in Great Shape.
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:46:45 GMT



    o   Toshiba T-1000, 8088 laptop with LCD (CGA) screen.  one 720K floppy, 
        640K memory, DOS, external Floppy connector, extrernal monitor CGA
        monitor connector, power supply, internal battery (4-6 hours use).

        $200 obo.

If you are interested, please call me at 303-494-8953.   You can see it in 
person, and I'll demonstrate it working for you.  If you are not it the Boulder
area, I will only ship with a prepayment with a money order or cashiers check, 
sorry.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Ken Waletzki Consulting, 2525 Arapahoe #E4-107, Boulder, Colorado  80302
303-494-8953, email kenw@csn.org
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Submitted-By: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:45:05 GMT

	Could someone send one of those Infodisks up here for me to
take a look at?  I'm curious as to what is on it.  "National" also
disks that we were giving out at ONE BBSCon (DD, zipped IBM, sea Mac).

	"If you show me yours, I'll show you mine."


Rita

PS.  I have on my desk right now the prototype membership card.  It
looks dynamite.  You should all have yours in a couple weeks.

-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | 
155 Second Street                | "Stop me before I post again."
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | 


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: CuD #4.39
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Submitted-By: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:22:42 GMT

Does the CuD really need to be re-posted here?  I already post it
once in comp.society.cu-digest and it's already available via
mailing list (contact tk0jut2@mvs.cso.niu.edu) if you can't get
it via Usenet.

-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | The secret to a long life is
Unicom Systems Development   | knowing when it's time to go.
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   |  - Michelle Shocked


[The moderator responds:  Good point.  This forum doesn't need to
receive a lot of redundant traffic which is available elsewhere.  I'd
like to hear what some more of you think, preferably by private e-mail
to riddle@tic.com.  If the sentiment isn't strongly in favor of
austin.eff/eff-austin being a redistribution point for material like
CuD, I will stop approving future issues.  -- Prentiss Riddle,
riddle@tic.com]

Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: riddle@tic.com (Prentiss Riddle)
Subject: Administrivia: we don't all speak for TIC
Organization: Radio Free Szegerely
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:32:09 GMT

Due to a small mixup in the moderating software, the first few posts
to the newly combined austin.eff newsgroup and eff-austin mailing list
showed up with "Organization: Texas Internet Consultants" lines.  Don't
believe it: TIC is just the organization which kindly loans EFF-Austin
a few guest accounts and some disk space for purposes like this.  I
believe the only person who's posted to austin.eff so far and who
really represents TIC is John Quarterman.

-- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@tic.com
-- Moderator of austin.eff / Another happy guest at Three Initial Corp.
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: van@eff.org (Gerard Van der Leun)
Subject: Re: computers and scanners (was Re: 'Hacking' the friendly skies)
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:15:18 GMT

> >As William S. Burroughs has so wonderfully stated:
> > 
> >    "Language is a virus."
> > 
> >Once introduced into the blood stream of discourse, it will replicate
> >itself endlessly, no matter the truth or falsity.

I think the whole quote is "Language is a virus from outer space."


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Subject: Re: What's a "phreak"?
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:59:24 GMT

>From the jargon file (published as the Hacker's Dictionary):

phreaking: [from `phone phreak'] n. 1. The art and science of
   cracking the phone network (so as, for example, to make free
   long-distance calls).  2. By extension, security-cracking in any
   other context (especially, but not exclusively, on communications
   networks).

   At one time phreaking was a semi-respectable activity among
   hackers; there was a gentleman's agreement that phreaking as an
   intellectual game and a form of exploration was OK, but serious
   theft of services was taboo.  There was significant crossover
   between the hacker community and the hard-core phone phreaks who
   ran semi-underground networks of their own through such media as
   the legendary `TAP Newsletter'.  This ethos began to break
   down in the mid-1980s as wider dissemination of the techniques put
   them in the hands of less responsible phreaks.  Around the same
   time, changes in the phone network made old-style technical
   ingenuity less effective as a way of hacking it, so phreaking came
   to depend more on overtly criminal acts such as stealing phone-card
   numbers.  The crimes and punishments of gangs like the `414 group'
   turned that game very ugly.  A few old-time hackers still phreak
   casually just to keep their hand in, but most these days have
   hardly even heard of `blue boxes' or any of the other
   paraphernalia of the great phreaks of yore.



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: max@underg.uucp (Max Cray)
Subject: What's a "phreak"?
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation
Submitted-By: max@underg.uucp (Max Cray)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:11:53 GMT

bohrer@mcc.com (Bill Bohrer) writes:

> Oh yeah, and what's a "phreak"?  I correspond with some guys in CO who
> label themselves such, and I saw that word again on this group
> distinguishing "phreaks" from "hackers", the latter I'm familiar with.

Phreaks are phone system hackers. This activity was popular well before
the advent of Personal Computers, of which the most famous persona is
the legendary "Captain Crunch' named after he discovered a whistle found
in Captain Crunch cereal made an excellent phreaking tool (giving off
a perfect tone at 2600 Hz). Many early phreakers moved on to become hackers
when personal computers became wide spread. Infact the personal computer
made an excellent phreaking tool. Phreakers are still wide spread although
it is considered quite a bit more dangerous these days than it used to be
(the phone company not standing still...). As an example of the bond between
hackers and phreakers, the Hacker Quarterly is called 2600 (after the bell
tone). Oh yes, obviously its called Phreak, instead of Freak, because it has
to do with the Phone system. Phun huh?


                                          -= Max =-


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Subject: Re: questions about EFF
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Submitted-By: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.144807.19526@tic.com> max@underg.uucp (Max Cray) writes:
>Hi Sheila. Thanks for your interest in the EFF.
>
>I am not sure but I think all you get from National is the newsletter
>that they send out, and from the local EFF chapter you get nothing.

You just got a Cyberdawg....  You get another one every other month.
Months in between, you get a meeting with a speaker.

Stay tuned for what else EFF-Austin will be doing.
Also, please keep providing suggestions.

>If these issues sound at all interesting, and important to you, then I
>encourage you to participate. I did not see anyone checking membership cards
>at the cyberdawg, so I do not think it is a big problem if you do not pay.

Cyberdawgs are traditionally open to anyone who walks in.  We're still
working out exactly what the membership fee does pay for.

Thanks,
John
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Moderator!:  Delete most of these lines (end).
Submitted-By: bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.132207.7807@tic.com> sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson) wri
tes:
>I might suggest that v2.0 and later be self-extracting, but that we keep
>v1.x in print for those who can't handle the "bigger" one, at least for the
>next few years.

<gulp>

years?

When Ed and I discussed the idea of an EFF-Austin InfoDisk, we considered the
disks to be constantly updated with new material.  Probably when each batch
of 100 disks sells out, we will look at the included files, mixing in new
ones and swapping out the old.  I don't think we ever considered selling a
particular version of an InfoDisk for more than six months or so, much less
sell backstock.

A second question I have is with the self-extracting file compression system.
 While I haven't looked specifically, I'm sure that the standard licensing
agreements will *not* let us use their product for commercial redistribution.
(wait, let me make it official: I don't know....does anyone?)

So we would have to check to make sure we're not violating any license
agreements before making self-extracting versions of InfoDisks, is all I'm
saying.

--david
-- 
| Cyberspace: The Narcotic of Choice for the 90's | this space left
| bladex@wixer.cactus.org                         | unintentionally
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Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky)
Subject: Re:  Thanks
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:29:25 GMT

> I make the motion that we have a cyberdawg on a weekend at least
> once every two months. Any comment...?

I think the plan is to have the cyberdawgs every other month, so I guess
the question is whether they should be on weekends. I'd say yes.


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Subject: I'm back and alive
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:34:00 GMT

Heck of a two weeks. Japan is wonderful. GenCon wasn't bad either.
Looks like the directors' meeting and the Cyberdawg were both great.
Thank you, everyone.
	Tomorrow I will call the movie people and get more information on
that Sneakers screening. 
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: questions about EFF
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Submitted-By: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:27:59 GMT

jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman) writes:

>Cyberdawgs are traditionally open to anyone who walks in.  We're still
>working out exactly what the membership fee does pay for.

esp. since barlow & kapor have plenty of money to throw at their pet
projects.

-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:57:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.131134.14697@tic.com> bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith) writes:

>agreements will *not* let us use their product for commercial redistribution.

EFF-Austin is a nonprofit Texas Corporation.  We don't do commercial
distribution.

John


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:51:44 GMT

 > Is the Infodisk straight ASCII, or is it a self-extracting archive?
 > If it's not yet a self-extractor, there's lots of space available
 > on that disk . . . :-)

 
 
Well, the disk is straight ASCII for now, but a self-extractor is 
a possibility.  The theory behind not including one was base on the 
idea that we needed to shoot for the lowest common denominator, 
which might have included machines with no Hard Drive.  They would 
have no place to self-extract to.  
 
The LCD theory is also why we picked 720K instead of 1.44K IBM disks.
 
By the way, now that the topic has been brought up, I'd be 
interested in hearing suggestions, comments, etc. on the Infodisk.
 
Ed


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Local membership cards
Summary: Was re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Submitted-By: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:59:39 GMT

> PS.  I have on my desk right now the prototype membership card.  It
> looks dynamite.  You should all have yours in a couple weeks.

is this an EFF-National only card?  should we expect local chapter cards?
ok, so I"m not a member yet, but I like status symbols as much as the
next status seeker.
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: questions about EFF Austin
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Submitted-By: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:48:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.155727.20814@tic.com> polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos) writes:
>David's explanation is a good one.  Another, more obvious, 
>distinction is that EFF National is generally concerned with issues 
>which are national in scope. While we at EFF-Austin are mindful 
>of these things too, we also want to keep the more local (Austin 
>and state) developments in mind.

Ed and David have pinpointed the difference between the national and
Austin organizations, but I wanted to post to let you know that we're
also interested in hearing about your doings in Austin. I've added
this newsgroup to my .newsrc.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
Newsgroups: austin.eff