From: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: A (long!) reply ( was Re: Fork in the Road)
Reply-To: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:15:30 GMT

In article <BvzBno.6Gr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Saint Joan of Arc) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>>Well, that inquiry included your real name and was just meant to be a
>>friendly jab, letting you know that I've seen your name.  That's all.
>   Uh, huh.  You coy dog, you!!
>
>>No.  I don't recall reading any finger-able accounts.  I had fingered
>>you at another account at uiuc, but the message bounced back with
>>"host unreachable".  I had given up until, one day, I see a lone post
>>with a non-fictitious name on it; it emanated from another uiuc
>>account (i.e. mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu) which I had not fingered.
>   Oh?? So i'll assume you don't know how to reconstruct e-mail addresses
> from the information i gave you, then.  Funny, but a fellow in Texas could
> do it....
>
>>I fingered it.  The names matched, so I assumed that "Elizabeth Kupfer"
>>was the real name.  (By the way, I noticed that you have figured out
>>how to forge a fake name on this account as well--mrcnext.cso....)
>  I knew how a long time ago.  What i tried to point out to you by e-mail,
>without the theatrics, is that i could have given you a "real" sounding
>name, and you would have been none the wiser.  Had i done that, THAT would
>have been an act of dishonesty on my part.  Your crap about my name Euclid
>being "dishonest" deserves abit of dunning.  By "real", you mean my "legal"
>name, the one on the birth-certificate and state I.D. card.  Knowing it
>when dealing with people over the net that you can't see, can't even hear
>the tenor of their voices, (and have no other interaction with them aside
>from the net) only makes them less 'anonymous' if you're hung up on that
>sort of thing.  I was given the name Euclid by friends when i was an
>undergrad; they call me Euclid and even snail-mail addressed to me that
>way reaches me.  I *am* Euclid.  If you can't handle that that's a quirk
>of your own.  Are you bothered because Mark Twain was "really" Samuel
>Clemens? D'you think people can only hold one "real" name at a time?
>  And really, this bit about my name change showing i know how to "forge...
>[on mrcext] as well" ,implying that i do anything of the sort on the vmd
> shows you're ignorant of the situation, though i suppose that can't be helped.
>Vmd is *not* a unix machine; it accesses Usenet through an interface developed
>here at UIUC.  That is why your finger couldn't reach vmd; it is 
>incompatible with Unix.  Even if you *did* reach it, the philosophy that
>directed the building of this machine is a tad different...the only way
>you could cull my legal moniker from the machine is if you have operator
>privileges, or the patience to wade through the entire directory manually
>WHICH IS WHY I TOLD YOU TO LOOK ON THE MRCNEXT ACCOUNT!!! If you can't be
>bothered to do that, then it can't be that important to you.
>
>>But I really am a cynic; actually, I'm a realist, euphemistically speaking.
>    And you impute dishonesty to people where there is none.  If you insist
> you're a cynic, so be it. 
>Cynicism is an attitude one has toward the world. Attitudes which suppose
>deceit where there is none are not dealing with reality.  You are not a
>
>realist (Q.E.D.).  
>
>>>>I don't discuss my personal life in public.  
>>>    Bite your tongue.  What's all that stuff you've posted this summer about
>>>Japanese boys being tormented and pushed to work very hard and given false
>>>promises about beautiful girls waiting for them at the end of the rainbow
>>>(along with a lucrative job, etc.), and your own personal dissillusionment
>>>and how you take refuge in beer......and how you're sooooooo Japanese?  Was
>>>this all lies?  Are you really some Anglo-Saxon teenager pulling a marvelous
>>>prank?  Well?
>
>>No, I have not revealed my personal life in public.  With regards to
>>"and how you're sooooooo Japanese", I did not say that I was Japanese.
>>I said, "Why do I sound so Japanese?"  This does not indicate that I
>>am Japanese.
>
>>I have been careful not to reveal my personal life in public.  It is
>>by my choice.
>   In so far as you admit to finding some shred of happiness in a beer
>bottle you say something of your personal life.  And being so careful to not
>"reveal [your] personal life" is interesting...you value your privacy,
>but deny other people the wish to retain theirs. I'll never share my thoughts on
>life and death with *you* again, unless you pick them up voyeuristically on
>a.s.h....as if that makes a difference in the "real" world. So you're either
>Japanese or a Nihon-phile Gaijin.  Since you don't really sound at all like
>any of the flesh-and-blood Japanese i've met and interacted with, i'll guess
>you're really the latter.
>
>>>>   "How does one really know if a choice among alternatives is the
>>>>    best?"
>>>             That depends on what you value.  Once that's figured out, the
>>>   rest is fairly easy.
>
>>No, it isn't.  Some parts of life are clear and discernable for some
>>people.  Other parts of life are murky, and the precise direction
>>is unclear.
>              I suggest you think harder on what i wrote.
>  Given the level of background you choose to provide, that is as concise an
>answer that is possible, short of resorting to hind-sight, which another fellow
>suggests.
>
>>By the way, I did get a chuckle out of that huge smiley face that you 
>  Good.  Glad you recognized it for what it was; a collegue here thought it
>was a boat with two sails.
>
>>a post.  I guess that I must have pushed the "right" button or something
>>because, in the next 2 or 3 posts by you gave really nutty responses.
>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^I gave you
>something i figured you could relate to. So you like it? Then i was right. 
>
>  Now, notice how this thread has little to do with A.S.H. per se now?
>I've kept my promise; i've not e-mailed you. You've kept what amounts to
>a vow: to not talk with me until you knew my "real" name.  Should you
>deign to follow this up, for the sake of our fellow a.s.h.-ers i suggest
Sounds like a personal problem to me. take it to e-mail...thanks>e-mail (unless you folks would like to hear this?  Folks? What say?).
>Bear in mind, Underdog, that you do not have definitive proof that
>"Elizabeth Kupfer" is printed on my officialdom I.D. card.  And i'm in no
>hurry to confirm it, either.
>
>Euclid
>
>--
>St. Joan of Arc ,euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
>standard disclaimers apply
>Hold fast to the center --Tao Te Ching