Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
From: sbrack@jupiter (Steven S. Brack)
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:18:53 EST
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kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
: feit@ERA.COM (Mark Feit) writes:
: 
: [...]
: 
: > True, plenty of other stuff (reading news, etc.) goes on and the
: >rule isn't enforced when the outside activities don't interfere with
: >those who are using their accounts to the end for which they were
: >issued.

	"We'll hold this club over your head, but as long as you don't
	 upset us, we won't use it."  Selective enforcement of the rules
	 has never been good policy, because it is too open to abuse.
	 The same rule must be applied to everyone, everytime, the same
	 way.  Anything else engenders special privelege. 
: 
: >  But you're still using the university's resources.  If you
: >keep doing something you've been asked to stop because it eats
: >resources others need to use, then as far as I'm concerned they've got
: >all the right in the world to pull the rug out from under you and
: >start due process.  I don't see why due process can't start _after_
: >the rug pulling, since the perpetrator likely to keep pulling the same
: >stunts if the account remains in place.
: [...]
	The same reason that persons accused of crimes should be released
	on reasonable bail whenever possible.  The denial of computing
	resources is a punishment, whether intended that way or not. 
: [...]
: >As for having the right to express yourself, you've got it.  But as
: >was pointed out in another thread on another newsgroup, just because
: >you've got the right to express yourself doesn't mean that others have
: >to provide the soap box.
: [...]
: 
: Actually, at a university to some degree they do. For example, most
: universities guarantee students and faculty the right to use
: classrooms for meetings and to hear invited speakers.
: 
	But many public universities still have codes restricting these
	speakers, & restricting the character of the meetings.  e.g.:
	1) Communist Party meetings, or
	2) Gay student organizations' meetings.

	These have most often been prohibited on the grounds that their purpose
	is the discussion of illegal acts. 

: ANNOTATED REFERENCES
: 
: (All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)
: 
: =================
: faq/media.control
: =================
: q: Since freedom of the press belongs to those who own presses, a
: public university can do anything it wants with the media that it
: owns, right?
: 
: =================
: academic/student.freedoms.aaup
: =================
: Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students -- This is the main
: U.S. statement on student academic freedom.
: 
: =================
: =================
: 
: These document(s) are available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
: method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
: to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):
: 
:   pub/academic/faq/media.control
:   pub/academic/academic/student.freedoms.aaup
: 
: To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
: Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
: name):
: 
: send acad-freedom/faq media.control
: send acad-freedom/academic student.freedoms.aaup
: --
: Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

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