From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:23:44 GMT

In article 14231@husc3.harvard.edu, liu10@husc8.harvard.edu (Eric Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.164759.18863@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
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>>B) The Japanese did not protest the incident at the time it occured, and
>>occording to Olympic rules it was too late afterwards.
>
>I believe the Japanese filed a protest right away. If you remember the match,
>right before the Japanese player served for the match at 14-13, there was a
>long pause because the ref first warned the American Player (Samuelson) and
>then the Japanese coach went to the ref right away!  That was why the complain
>was valid and was considered by a committee. 
>>
No, if you have a protest to make, the up ref must stop play, come over and describe
the situation to the scorekeeper, i.e. the score, the rotation of both teams, the 
situation, the reason for the protest etc.  The protest should be about clear errors in
the referee's  procedure in enforcing the rules and not about subjective calls like
a lift or double hits.  The protest did not take place at that moment, it occured 
after the match was played out.  In effect, the FIVB threw their rules on protests
out the window in granting the Japanese the match.  A case of two wrongs working
itself out and the right call being called.

>>C) Neither the United States player nor the Score keeper were informed of the
>>yellow card. This is where the actual error occured. Again, this was the refs
>>error and most likely occured because he was royally fowling up the game at the
>>time and because he knew it. I should note that as in most sports the refs are
>>less likely to give a red card to a player with a yellow than a yellow to
>>another player especially when that would end the match. The ref was un-aware of
>>this. If he had been, it is unlikely his judgement would have been the same.
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>I think the judge has in fact pulled out a yellow card, and then he took it
>back.  That's the cause for all the confusion.  

He had three clear choices:
1) Call the second yellow and granting the red and match point.
2) Change his mind and call no foul, play on.
3) Realize this wasn't something he wanted to do, chicken out by calling a 
team yellow card or a yellow card on the US bench, that way no points were lost.

Instead, he fouled the whole thing up by doing none of the above.  By my 
understanding, the official scorekeeper did not put Samuelson's number down on the
sheet because the up ref never signaled who got the yellow card.  He just waved 
it and then continued.  He should have flashed the card and then given the number of
the offending player.

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>>Jason W. Solinsky
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>Eric Liu
>liu10@husc.harvard.edu



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