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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: Split/Indy faction
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:06:08 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

In <1992Apr13.185043.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalf.fnal.gov (I Elmo) writes:

>	He, like I, sees snobbery in the people who desperately yearn for a
>rac.indies because they can't stand to wade through electronics reams of
>commentary on X-trash and other adolescent male power fantasies.  These people
>are breathing ozone up on their high horse.

Whether it's snobbery or not, I tend to feel that an indy division isn't as
critical, thanks to the comix mailing list, which discusses non-mainstream
comix topics.  I read both it and r.a.comics; the mailing list has low
volume and very interesting discussions, and tends to feed my need for this
type of discussion.  I prefer in its present form -- the signal-to-noise
ratio has been excellent.

To subscribe: send e-mail to comix-request@world.std.com

                           "The public is tired of
                            serial killers?  Now,
                            where'd you get that?"
                                                     "You can read it yourself
                                                      in the focus groups,
                                                      Jim.  Serial killers are
                                                      overexposed.  Our
                                                      audience is worried
                                                      about the economy.  They
                                                      don't want any more
                                                      serial killers."

                                           -- Michael Crichton's (impressively
                                              stupid) RISING SUN
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From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:20:12 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Apr13.180035.23655@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, crew@CS.Stanford.EDU (Roger Crew) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr13.084229.17180@maths.tcd.ie> afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell) writes:
|> > 
|> > Time to Re-open trhe nominations for the Sandman cast, methinks.
|> > Anyone remember them? Brian Blessed for Destruction is the only one that 
|> > comes to mind, and we haven't even seen Destruction in ~3000 years.
|> 
|> I always hate these discussions, but what the hey...?
|> 
|>   Dream      Dustin Hoffman

A bit short don't you think. He is supposed to be very tall.

|>   Death      Geena Davis
|>   Destiny    James Earl Jones
|>   Desire     Tim Curry
Julian Clary is perfect.

|>   Despair    John Candi

|>   Delirium   Winona Ryder
Ick!

|> 
|> --
|> Roger Crew      OBEY     MARRY AND REPRODUCE      CONSUME      STAY ASLEEP
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|> Internet:  crew@CS.Stanford.EDU      

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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: VALIANT'S GAY CHARACTER
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:28:32 GMT

...the gay character Ken refers to (in a post I decided not to quote due to t
time constraints) is (and no pun intended) Ken Clarkson, who is Aric's 
"Wizard" in "X-O Manowar". Ken is definately flaming, and has voiced his
preferences towards men numerous times. Even Aric is a target for his 
affections.

Aric's response? Well, it wasn't what you'd expect from a time-displaced
Visigoth. Apparently it was common for ancient wizards to have any number
of quirks, including homosexuality. So long as it didn't interfere with their
spellcasting and wizardry tricks, who cared?

                                                        OM
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:44:01 GMT

In article <12055@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Hello,
>	Considering all the hoopla in the Supreme Court over the most
>recent attempt by pro-lifers to recall the rights of a woman to choose
>if she is to have a baby.  I was wondering if at any time in comic history
>did the topic of abortion ever come up.  I have very strong doubts that
>Marvel would have the guts to ever bring up this sensitive topic but
>maybe a more gutsy/desperate publisher may have.

X-Factor #78 (Marvel :) features an attack on a clinic by the Mutant Liberation
Front.   This clinic offers tests to find out whether a fetus is a mutant.
While abortion itself was never mentioned, the MLF did talk about "sav[ing] the
lives of countless unborn mutants".  However, X-Factor had divided opinions,
including "It's about free will.  In this case, the tough decisions have to
be the parents to make, Rahne, we can't stop science."

Probably as close as they'll ever get to the issue...  otherwise, rednecks 
will start picketing comic shops...


-- 
"...no identification of self or mission; no interference with social develop-
 ment of said planet; no references to space, to other worlds or more advanced
 civilizations."   The PRIME DIRECTIVE, by Gene Roddenberry and Gene L. Coon.
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                               Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted Faber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: ALAN MOORE KNOWS *WHAT* SCORE??
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:14:34 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In <1992Apr16.182152.10468@tigger.jvnc.net> richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH) writes:

>All right, here's something to kick things off.
>I heard a PWEI song and they kept repeating over and over
>"Alan Moore knows the score."
>Who *is* this guy?
>I heard he had something to do with comics.
>Sounds kinda weenie if you ask me.
>Just curious.

	Someone want to mail this goombah several copies of the Watchman
	Archives?  Weenie, indeed.....

"Sometimes life is like that; just a series of weather reports 
 in search of a metaphoric context." --Cathryn Yronwode

-- 
Ted Faber		Figment at Large		  faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu
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From: gls@windmill.att.com (Col. Sicherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: voices for Sandman
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:26:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation

In article <92104.230607MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu>, MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> What about an *animated* movie?
> 
>              ...and probably cutting out Mister Miracle and J'onn, but that
> seems to be a given. Whose voice for Dream?

Well, I'm willing to take a stab at it ...

	DREAM . . . . . . . Lorenzo Music
	DEATH . . . . . . . June Foray
	DESTINY . . . . . . Sterling Holloway
	DESIRE  . . . . . . Pia Zadora
	DESPAIR . . . . . . Angela Lansbury
	DELIRIUM  . . . . . Lucille Ball
	DESTRUCTION . . . . Paul Reubens

... Is there anybody I neglected to stab?

-:-
	"Hey, Rocky!  Watch me pull a UNIX program out of my
	   source directory!"
	"AGAIN?"
	"Nothin' up my sleeve ... PRESTO!"

		IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
		PROGRAM-ID.  PROCESS-DATA.
		AUTHOR-NAME.  B. J. MOOSE, FROSTBYTE DATA SYS.
		SOURCE-COMPUTER.  IBM-7044.
		OBJECT-COMPUTER.  IBM-7044.
		. . .

	"No doubt about it--I gotta get a new source directory!"
-- 
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gls@windmill.att.COM
From: aa719@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stan M. Mangrum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Powerpax
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:30:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr9.163027.4479
Reply-To: aa719@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stan M. Mangrum)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Someone mentioned earlier that they believe the storyline with
Powerpax takes place about ten years in the future. I disagree.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned or even noticed this but
here goes. Take a careful look at Sam. His hair is going grey
on the sides. This by no means gives us a definate clue to
his age seeing as to how the grey hair could be the result of 
all the tramatic experiences he's been through. But I do believe
the grey hair is meant to suggest that Sam is getting up there
in age. Therefore, its is very likely that Powerpax (Francine
Power) is the daughter of one of the Power kids. Presumably
Alex or Jack's daughter. But not necessarily.

St.
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Phoenix, Cable, and X-Conspiracy Theories
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:34:01 GMT

To diffuse the whole dark phoenix idea:

Dark Phoenix would just waste the planet, not bother with the X-Men

but more to the point---Rachel is a member of a book under Kavanaugh's control.

He hasn't shown that he try's to take over a book from the writer,  Rather
he works w/ the writer and lets the writer shine(maybe it's cuz he waz Nocenti's
assis. editor?)

------SCAVENGER

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get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
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From: stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Dark Shadows #1
Reply-To: stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.203718.27654@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, The Shadow <swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
 
* As far as Dark Shadows, the comic, goes...  will they be going past
* the point where the television series ended?  This would be quite nice
* since the series left a lot of folks hanging when it did not get
* renewed for the next season.

 
  If I remember correctly, this was how the book was originally solicited.
  I would really like to it it continued as well. I was too young to 
  remember the original series, but I thought the new one was great. Too
  bad it wasn't a syndicated show. It might have lasted longer.


  --
  Michael                      
  stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com
From: poole@cs.widener.edu (Phil Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:37:39 GMT
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: lisa.cs.widener.edu



To the person who stated the future Witness/Gambit would kill that
time lines Bishop in order to prevent the death of the X-men...I don't
agree with that...

After all in one issue....recently...I don't remember which...Gambit
said he was protecting them because he had not learned everything
about them yet...


or as near a quote as I can remember.  I don't know for sure if Gambit
would really perserve the dream should the rest of the X-men died.


-- 
Philip Poole.  	    | PEOPLE IN THE BACKSEATS OF CARS CAN CREATE ACCIDENTS
                    | 		          BUT
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:56:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <57081@cup.portal.com> <1992Apr9.231100.26857@sol.UVic.CA>

Oh, and again, just for the record:  No, I didn't do the plot for the new
origin of the JLA.  Again, that was Keith Giffen.

I've only dialogued over someone else's plot four times in my career--
the Starman and JLA issues, and two issues of Spec Spidey (105 & 106).
No, I take that back--five times.  There was an issue of Amazing that I
dialogue about half of it (Jo Duffy did the rest).  I forget which issue--
something like 286, I think.

PAD
From: novotndj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: SpiderMan Movie??????
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:40:30 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

What is going on with Spidey's movie?
I haven't heard much about it.
Lately, that is.

I know that it is being filmed in L.A.
and the James Cameron (sp) is the director and
writer.

Has any other SM fan heard anything else about it?

Well, I guess i shouldn't limit responses to just SM fans
anyone with any knowledge of this subject is welcome to respond.

   
Don 
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
Subject: Black Orchid mini-series
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:09:44 GMT



Thanks to all those who answered my earlier post requesting
information on Black Orchid.  I finally read the series, and
I'm glad I did.  It was really enjoyable.  I don't usually
notice art, except when it's bad :), but the painting throughout
BO was top-notch, and extremely enjoyable.

Has BO appeared anywhere since the mini-series?

I noticed that in the acknowledgements at the end of the final
issue, Marv Wolfman was credited for the revamped Lex Luthor
(businessman.)  

Tom
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:57:57 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <57137@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>If anyone's remotely interested in my own view of humor in my work...

And what makes you think we would be...?

>Generally, when I use humor, it's with the intent of contrasting to a serious
>situation--either a moment of levity in the middle of a difficult situation,
>or else something funny that relaxes the reader so that, when something
>bad goes down, the reader is then caught off guard.  I'm a believer in
>what Alfred Hitchcock once said in an interview--the best kind of laughter is
>the kind that sticks in your throat.  So I suppose that how effective the
>humor is in the story depends entirely on how effective the seriousness of
>the situation is to act as counterpoint.

Yeah, I can see this.  I think your self-analysis is excellent here.  I
think that the humor in "The Death Of Jeanne DeWolff" (I keep wondering if
I spelled that correctly) was successful in part because the background was
so morbid.  ("A good cop suspects everyone, even average, ordinary citizens
such as yourself." and that line of humor, which led up to "It's the
quiet, unobvious nuts you've got to watch.")  We also got to see Spider-Man
acting in a deadly-serious manner, without any of the melodrama which was
often present in the past.

I think that the humor in The Hulk works best in similar circumstances.
Especially since the Hulk's quips often seem to put the situation in a new
light of some sort.  (Who would have thought the Hulk would ever have
become a philosopher?)

On the other hand, when you took over Dreadstar, my perception was that the
book suddenly because a bizarrely surreal comedy, which just didn't work
at all for me.  The humor seemed to dominate the book, which just didn't
fit into my concept of the series (i.e., what I enjoyed most about it).

On the third (?) hand, I rather liked Blasters, which was completely off-
the-wall and not, I think, very serious at all.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:26:45 GMT


Hmm, I'd noticed that Rogue seemed to be leaving a lot of skin exposed
too, in the last issue of X-Men I was *sure* Gambit had actually managed
to touch her a few times! I must admit, I've got a few problems with Rogue
right now; as I understand it, her strength and flight and
invulnnerability powers came from Carol Danvers (Ms Marvel); her innate
mutant ability is simply to absorb other people's powers and
personalities, and she accidentally absorbed Carol's permanently. However,
in Uncanny X-Men 269 (I think) we saw that Carol Danvers and Rogue became
separated by the Siege Preposterous (despite the fact that Carol also
exists in the MU as Binary unless I've missed something), and Magneto
helped Rogue to destroy the Carol side of her psyche. So, I reckon that
Rogue should now just have the absorption powers she started with, no
flight , strength or invulnerability. However the way she's been written,
it seems to be the other way round - when was the last time she absorbed
anyone?
Now, maybe this is a plot device and at some point Carol Danvers will come
screaming back into Rogues life wielding absorption powers, but personally
I think it's more likely to be bad writing UNLESS I've missed something
somewhere.

Mike





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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: META: How to split?
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:44:04 GMT

In article <2046@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>I think the best time for the split is in the summer BECAUSE
>most of the students are gone for you generally get a lot fewer
>posted votes. 

Then, a large number of r.a.c'ers come back to school and wonder why
they weren't consulted on something important to them.

I used to live in a dorm that didn't tell me or my friends about house
meetings (where decisions about parties and money were made), because
the house president didn't like us.  This is dirty pool.  The larger the 
voting group, the more likely it is that the vote will reflect the 
opinions of those concerned.  People deserve the opportunity.

--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
"I repeat myself when I'm distressed, I repeat myself when I'm distressed,
I repeat myself when I'm distressed, I repeat myself when I'm distressed,
I repeat..."     -King Crimson, "Indiscipline"
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Powerpax
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:27:45 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

I can't understand the objections to Powerpax being the daughter of 
either Alex or Jack power. We do not know that it has been ten years from 
today in the annual, just that it had been tgen years since Mojo V was 
overthrown. The only reference to a date that we see is Banshee's death 
and saying that he dies in 1998 gives no indication how long ago that 
was. Alex, as I recall was 12 or 13 at the time of the book and it is 
possible that he maried and had a daughter who, like Franklin Richards 
(whom he may have named her after) developed her mutant powers at an 
earler than normal age. Alex knew Sam, so he trusted him with his 
daughter. She has the full group power, because while the Kymillian (sp) 
powerr was spread semi-evenly aboutthe four Power kids, Frankie (posibly 
because Alex once became a Kymillian) has the full range of powers. 
Of course this is only another one of the X-group posible futures so the 
point is moot anyway.

Dascoser


"Joe has two kids in that school"
`And if his wife finds out he's dead'
  ---- MST30000, "X Marks the Spot"
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From: liu-edward@CS.YALE.EDU (Edward Liu)
Subject: Re: Sandman Movie?!?  (and Sam & Max)
Organization: /m/edwick/.organization
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:14:03 GMT

In <1992Apr13.183333.26902@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we
go now...) writes:
>Oh my god.  TIM BURTON?  Haven't you had enough of that stupid overdone gothic
>crap yet?  All we need is Tim Burton directing, Sam Hamm (heretic) writing,
>and Danny Elfman writing that hack music.  Ugggghhh.
>
>PLEASE!  Don't let Sam Hamm write the Watchmen script...

   Hate to break it to you, but Sam Hamm actually did write a first draft of
a screenplay for the _Watchmen_ movie.  A friend showed the script to me, which
I read.  Absolutely horrible.  Granted, you can't cover all of the stuff that
happens in the comic, but the screenplay is just pure crap.  It turns
_Watchmen_ into another Superhero Comic Movie (tm), full of bad-ass one-liners,
awful awful dialogue, and a completely totally unbelievably cheezy ending
(*very* different from the comic).  In short, it takes everything that made
the comic great and removes it entirely from the movie.  With luck, this
_Watchmen_ will never see film.

   Now, if some BBC company could be talked into serializing _Watchmen_ into a
12-part, _Masterpiece Theatre_-type thing, THAT might be worth watching.
Provided, of course, that they do NOT cast Helena Bonham-Carter as the Silk
Spectre :-).
-- 
|  Edward C. Liu              "Not by wrath does one kill,        |
|  liu-edward@cs.yale.edu       but by laughter..."               |
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: DC: LSH: :SPOILERS : Disposable characters
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:37:44 GMT


In article <1961@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>> >> I think the issue after the issue where Shvaugh becomes a man.
>> >Excuse me? EXCUSE ME!!!
>> >What in God's name is there justification for this?
>> >I'm really confused.
>> It has to do with fan suspicions that Element Lad is gay.  Paul Levitz decided
>> to falsify those suspicions by giving him a girlfriend (Shvaugn), so this
>> was invented in order to fix things up and make him at least bisexual....
>No. Paul Levitz decided to correct some fans belief he was gay
>by giving Jan a girlfriend.

Gee, I just _said_ that.  This is the second article I read today responding to
my own by restating it....
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