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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Bulgarian-Greek relations/minorities.
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:26:00 GMT
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Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


LB = Lyben
MP = Me
MS = Michael Scordilis

LB>remember were in the range of 60 - 80 000 Macedonian Bulgarians who
LB>remained in Greece after WWI.

MP>  95% of those were in Thrace, which was Bulgarian from 1913-1917, and was

MS>No.  These people were in western Macedonia.  The aborted Karlov-Politis

  Are you suggesting that the population exchange did not take place, or
  that it was incomplete? What would be the Greek reasons for not
  completing the population exchange? Any Slavs that remained in Western
  Macedonia did so because they chose allegiance to Greece.

  In any case, say there were 80,000 slavs somewhere in northern Greece,
  which is probably an exxageration to begin with. So what? That would be
  less than 5% of the Thrace-Macedoni population, and about 1-1.5 percent
  of the Greek population in 1940 (0.8% today). My point is that this number
  (even if true) would not justify the entrance of Bulgaria into the axis,
  the WWII invasion and the subsequent death of 400,000 Greeks.

MS>Bulgarian occupation was restricted in eastern Macedonia and part of Thrace.

   ALL of thrace (except a narrow zone in the Greek-Turk border that was held
   by the Germans) and a huge chunk of Eastern Macedonia. While Thessalonica
   was technically under German juristiction, the Bulgarian troops there
   were more numerous than the Germans or Italians.

MP>   Bulgarian gains in the first Balkan War. Salonica was never under Bulgaria
MP>   control until Hitler handed her over to them.
MS>In fact Thessaloniki has NEVER been occupied or dominated by Slavs. Not in WW

   Never dominated (in population), but occupied 1941-44

MS>History is being rewritten here!  Change "Thrace" with western Macedonia, and
MS>you will be right.  Also, the slavophones who left, were either pro-Bulgarian

  Tito also helped the Greek Communist army in W. Macedonia, but my
  statements about Thrace are correct. In fact Tito's troops (mostly
  serb communists brought in from the north) left the place early on in
  the fighting.

MS>M Scordilis

Michael
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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: THE NEW BULLY OF THE BALKANS (Makes one wonder who the OLD bully was)
Date: 30 Aug 92 00:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


  Well, everyone,

  I'll be offline for a couple of days (new motherboard, second HD, tape drive
  plus installing OS/2 2.0 on my machine).

  Before I go, a temporary farewell:

  Sasa: I'll miss ya babe. Keep fighting those windmills. If the Association
  of Pop Corn Vendors in the city or Orem, Utah recognises "M" in the next
  two days, please let the whole world know.

  Hasan: Keep that keyboard going fella. P.S. Call up Sasa and ask her for some
  help in the international affairs department. In the last 2 years they have
  gotten 4 countries to recognise them (even if 2 don't recognise that their
  nation exists), PLUS the Aboriginal government of Australia! In 18 years
  the TPseudoRNC has only managed 1 (Turkey). I'm dissapointed at you.

  Spyros: Defend my honor while I'm gone, will ya? I should be done by
  Tuesday, but this is OS/2, not peje-gelase. I've heard it takes 3 hours just
  to feed it all the floppy disks. Same goes for all you self-admitted liars
  and genocide apologists out there.

  Mr Caglan Aras: You must be installing OS/2 too, because I haven't heard
  from you guys re: the NY Times and Newsweek articles I mentioned.

  Take care.

  Michael.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,eunet.politics
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Check out this Bob. [was Re: Macedonia]
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:33:54 GMT

Serfim Efrastiadis (efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu) writes:
))This person is either grossly misinformed, or a big liar. A good
))place to start is Encyclopedia Italiana from around 1930. Under
))the article of Macedonia you find a map which delineates the modern
))geographical region of Macedonia. You will find that it includes
))virtually all of The Republic of Macedonia, and even a slice of
))present-day Kosovo. Curiously, not all of present-day Greek Macedonia
))is included. To get a understanding of that is not an occasional
))misinformation, you can check with the French "Le Grand Encyclopdie"
))from 1900, which gives no map, but a verbal description which is
))quite consistent with the Italian map. I also recommed trying
))The Times Atlas of History for the Roman province of Macedonia.
>
>The guy is dreaming. The sacred village of Dion for the Ancient Macedons
>was located at the foot of mount Olympos.

What the hell has ancient village to do with the 19th century
notion of Maceodnia? Before you write me off as a dreamer, why
don't you check the sources I gave you? Or you don't dare to
see you propaganda be grinded into small pieces?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: TSAKETO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Greek Gods
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.192221.5413@news.lrz-muenchen.de>
dranidis@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Dimitris Dranidis) writes:
 
>
>Hello,
>
>We are giving our workstations names from the 12 Greek Gods of mythology. I
>remember only 11 of them:
>
>Zeus, Hera, Athena,
>Poseidon, Aphrodite, Hephaestus,
>Ares, Apollo, Hermes,
>Demeter, Artemis
>
>Can someone remind me the 12th?
>
>Dimitris
>
 
I think it is the godess Estia.
 
                 Tony.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis)
Subject: Re: Macedonia: History and Reality
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:33:57 GMT

Can help myself guys... :-))))))))))))))))  This is too funny and
my belly hurts!!!! I am extremely amused by this! Not even rec.humor.funny
or rec.humor.absurd has material that can be that stuff!

However, after reading several books on psychology, I could not help noticing
a possible source of the problem that the poster might be suffering from.
No guys, it's not called "Skopje Propaganda Syndrome", it's not called
"Extreme Pseudo-Ethnic Fanaticism", not even "The Lost Identity Syndrome of the
Poor Skopje People"...  It's probably not even that they suffer from the "Great
Macedonia with Capital the City of Thessaloniki" idea, or the semi-obvious (?)
anti-greek mania...

Based on the following:

>...
>2. Homosexuality, of which Plato is a fine example.
>3. Lesbianism, which is named after the Island of Lesbos.
>...

I conclude that the author was severe problems with his/her sexual orientation
identity or he/she is probably a desperate transvesti that needs a good f*ck,
both ways.

Also, Sasa babe, we love ya! Give give us more of that! Hey, do not
forget to post Part 8 of 5 eight times so that we'll get it for sure!

And last, but not least, respect is due to the biggest faggot in the network.

Dear HErland S. Tribune:

Maximos Stratos sends you kisses and he asked me to tell you this and I'm
quoting: "In a j*rk contest at Sk*pia u'd probably get a medal, cos
de problema iz that the best part o' ya waz what tsor man*ushka sw*ll*wed".
(you know how Max speaks, with a real HEAVY Greek accent).

Macedonically (like Max says)

Serafim.

P.S. Now, let's see... how many years do I know Bill...? 4... 5... sompen
like that. Great guy, indeed!

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of course! :-))))))))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: md88-msa@alv.nada.kth.se (Mickael Salabasis)
Subject: Co
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:10:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.205322.29681@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>There was a big interview with Lord Carrington in Svenska
>Dagbladet Sunday 23rd, i.e. before he retired as mediator
stuff deleted 
>   A: Kosovo is the great danger. But Macedonia? My talks with Kiro
>      Gligorov are running very well. He is an excellent person, one
                                                ^^^^^^^^^  
>      of the very few. In Macedonia one seems to do quite a lot for
>      the Albanian minority and I hope is clear from what I said
>      elsewhere that Gligorov and Macedonia has been badly treated
>      by the EC.
I saw footage of the anti-Greek demonstrations in Skopje ...
Scaring ...
and they were to many to be 'just a bunch of fanatics' he is , as an elected 
leader , responsible for their actions ...

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva

Makis
From: eem@cs.yorku.ca (Evangelos Milios)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Macedonia: what is the nucleus of the dispute
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:06:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1414
Followup-To: eem@cs.yorku.ca
Distribution: world
Organization: York University, CS Dept., Toronto, Canada

In article <25814.714819501@ohrid> sjaak@cca.vu.nl (Jacques Schuurman) writes:
> What the Greek are
>trying to do is to have a say in the choice that very same other country is
>making.  Obviously, the nucleus of the dispute it all boils down to, is to
>what extend some country can exercise some kind of copyright to a name
>(that they even do not use to name their own country) some other country
>wants to use.  
				   
I disagree with Jacques Schuurman's diagnosis of the nucleus of the
dispute. THE NUCLEUS IS THAT THE SKOPJANS HAVE LINKED THE USE OF THE
NAME "MACEDONIA" WITH TERRITORIAL CLAIMS OVER GREECE.

Just look at the maps of "Greater Macedonia" circulated by the Skopjan
propaganda: the capital of "Greater Macedonia" is Thessaloniki, the
second largest city of Greece. It would be foolish for Greece to
accept this. Now we have the name dispute, 20 or 30 or 50 years later
we may have a Turko-Skopjan military alliance to split northern Greece
between them (do not forget that the maps of Greater Macedonia
circulated by Skopjans count Thrace as Turkish territory).  What it
all boils down to is that the international community would be much
more confused by such an act and would react much less vigorously
against it the Skopjan republic were called "Macedonia".

I used to dismiss all this as silliness until I saw with my very own
eyes this very official-looking very detailed 1.5mx1m "school" map of
"Greater Macedonia" on the walls of the only Community Centre of the
Skopjan immigrants right here in Toronto (and accompanied by freely
distributed copies of a similar, but less detailed map. Furthermore
the logos of the Skopjan newspapers in Toronto all related in one way
or another to the concept of "Greater Macedonia"). 

I also do not agree with the argument that the Skopjan constitution
states explicitly that they do not have territorial claims over
Greece. Their propaganda abroad, and perhaps internally, as well,
shows quite the opposite, and we know how easy it is for a
constitution to change, for example by a national referendum.

Overall, the issue of the name is not as simple as it may first
appear.

Evangelos Milios
Dept. of Computer Science
York University
Toronto, Canada





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Ross N729, Department of Computer Science, York University, 
North York, Ontario, Canada M3J 1P3
Phone: (416) 736-2100, x33979, 736-5053,  FAX: (416) 736-5872
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: md88-msa@alv.nada.kth.se (Mickael Salabasis)
Subject: Re: Common words in Greek and Turkish.
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:22:23 GMT

In article <Btus0L.M4D@newcastle.ac.uk> E.Kappos@newcastle.ac.uk (Euthymios Kappos) writes:
> >I received the following list from a Greek friend. It is
> >the Turkish loanwords in Greek.
> >Kutluk
> >1. FOOD etc.          2. FLOWERS         3a. THINGS etc.
> >yahni                 yasemin            yelek
> >yuvarlak              menekse            yaka
> >gu'vez                                   yapi
> >yalanci dolma                            baglama
> > ...
> A correction. 
stuff deleted >
> Most of the words in the list are very rare today, and sound somewhat ugly
> to most Greek ears.
>
xcept maybe the food that tastes good regardless of the origin of the name 
> Euthymios Kappos

Makis
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Wild life ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 08:10:35 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


Hello,
     Greek readers may find interesting an article that has appeared in
  the New Scientist 29-Aug-92 pp 12-13. It is entitled <<Return to the
  turtle bay.>> It is about the Mediterranean loggerhead turtle(MLT).
  Apparently 80% of the MLTs lay their eggs in selected beaches in the
  Greek island of Zakynthos. MLTs hatched from beaches in Zakynthos
  will return after (approx) 30 years to lay their eggs. But the
  sandy beaches where MLTs lay their eggs are very much in demand by
  the tourist trade. Conservationists and bussinessmen are at odds.
  Read it!

  I remeber that 2 or 3 years ago the BBC radio 4 had a similar story
  on the program "Eurofile".
Spyros. G.
From: UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: What the hell happenned to hbm@ddsw1.some.com?????
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:04:39 GMT

Gee, I wonder why mutlu-bitch-malak is not emitting from 
his old account hbm@ddsw1.com??? What the hell happenned 
to your account mutlu???

Did corass forge some fake mail from there too and made that 
one byte the dust as well???  :-) :-) :-)

Did corass like the telephone-post technique and suggested it 
to your ass as well? Did you listen to him you stupid turkaloid???
Ha ha ha... you are all a bunch of idiots, one worse from the other, 
you are just competing how is going to screw up more lately...
(and not only :-) )

Did some take a big pair of scisorrs and ..., hratchhhhh!
cut your hair in u.s. marine style??? :-) 

What the hell happenned to hbm@ddsw1.*.com??? I am anxious
to find out honey, could you please let us know??? :-) 

Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC.BITNET

P.S. Quickly, call corass and tell him to save you some Valvoline
     too, the stupid ass is abusing it!!!!   :-)
From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:53:12 GMT
	<1992Aug28.223506.261@cs.wisc.edu> <1992Aug30.110135.16578@enea.se>
	<1992Sep2.191432.4412@cs.wisc.edu>
Organization: OSF Research Institute

I agree with much of Schoinas's discussion of ethnicity.  Almost all
Greek Vlachs seem to consider themselves Greeks as well as Vlachs, and
certainly have no wish for union with Rumania.  On the other hand, the
Greek state could also be more accomodating to the Vlachs.  For
instance, civil servants in Vlachophone villages could make some
effort to learn the local language, Vlach traditions could be taught
in schools, etc.  Of course, Greece is not unique in this: French
civil servants in Brittany don't speak Breton (although Breton is now
taught in the schools); Italian civil servants in Sardinia don't speak
Sardinian; etc.

In article <1992Sep2.191432.4412@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu
(Yannis Schoinas) writes:

   The current opinion is that they come from the latin speaking roman
   garrisons that were placed along the roads of the roman empire.
   Intermarriage of the soldiers with the locals (remember that the
   roman soldiers were given pieces of land after their retirement)
   created enclaves of latin speaking people all over the balkans. It
   is said that in Thessaly the greek language survided only in the
   cities.

This is an interesting theory, but does not explain why Vlachs are
traditionally nomadic shepherds.  The theory would predict that they
would be settled farmers.  But of course such things can change over
the centuries.

   Note that there is not a single vlach dialect but a bunch of them 
   that all have as an ancestor the common latin. All of these dialects 
   have the same connection between them as french have to italian or 
   spanish.

This is not true according to any of the books on Romance philology I
have studied.  The various Vlach dialects are different among
themselves the way the various Romanian dialects in Romania are
different among themselves.

A more widely accepted theory seems to be that the Greek Vlachs are
nomadic shepherds who migrated in the Ottoman period.

   An interesting information: the dialect of the majority of the 
   Greek Vlachs (armanic) has 50% greek words and 8% slavic words
   compared to 8% and 20% respectively in the romanian language.

This is not surprising, under either theory.  Vlach has been in
contact with Greek rather than with Slavic languages for some
centuries.

	-s
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: To Erland, yours Macedonically, Max. [Re: Check out this Bob.]
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:48:01 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Aug30.140313.7004@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu writes:
 > Buzzz! Wrong again, sweetie! It's not the doc but his nurse, thank you
 > pretty much. I use his account because he is on secret mission in Skopje
 > spying for the GIA (Greek Intelligence Agency - but you knew that, right?).
 > 
 > Last time I spoke to him, he asked me to say `Hi' to ya personally he also:
 > Y O U R   D A Y S   A R E   N U M B E R E D   E R L A N D!
 > 
 > What a chap! Incredible!
 > 
Yes.  Now we have also a Greek (or Macedonian?) Mutlu.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: miscord@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Michael Scordilis)
Subject: Mental cases (was: Macedonia: History and Reality)
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:41:27 GMT


What is disturbing is that these dangerous fairytales are written to the 
network by people with university education.  God help us from the masses
with the froth dripping from their mouths (any other witnesses to their 
demonstrations and their fights at the soccer games?).

This piece of gargabe is very similar to full page advertisements they placed
in the Sunday Herald a few months ago.  Last week the chairman of the 
commission on advertising slammed the advertisment of the so-called 
Macedonians as promoting racism and racial hatred and dengerous to public 
peace.

Well-intended persons who want to give a chance to a "new nation wanting a 
place under the sun", better consider the motives, ulterior and otherwise.

M Scordilis

 
Michael Scordilis	   	|internet    miscord@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Test Re!
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:41:15 GMT


Mia kai to papari sto Berkeley ta exei paiksei (doulevei mono me Tourkikes
entoles) vrhka mallon enan allon tropo na grafw arthra mesw allou 
panepisthmiou. Ante na doume ti tha ginei. 

See ya,

Spiros
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com 
OUZO POWER                                      striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
From: yogi@cs.ubc.ca (Yossi Gil)
Subject: Greek Code Page font on Ms-DOS 3.3+ anyone?
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 15:30:19 GMT

I am looking for a greek code page font for EGA/VGA or the purpose
of including it with my EGA/VGA font collection. If you have access
to the DOS Greek national supplement for Greece please take a moment
to find the file:

	EGA.CPI

and extract the fonts from it. A program to break an EGA.CPI is
enclosed with my font utilities:

	cs.ubc.ca:/ftp/pickup/terse/fntutl12.zip	

The above file contains also the current collection of 90 various
fonts for ega/vga.

BTW- the whole process is legal. EGA/VGA fonts are so trivial
that they cannot be copyrighted.



--
Joseph (Yossi) Gil                 {alberta,uw-beaver,uunet}!ubc-cs!yogi
Dept. of Computer Science          yogi@cs.ubc.ca (cs.ubc.ca=137.82.8.5)
6356 Agricultural Road., Univ. of B.C.,             Tel: +1-604-822-8175
Vancouver, British Columbia, V6T 1Z2, Canada.       Fax: +1-604-822-5485
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: IGAWULK (International Greek Alphabet When Using Latin
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 



>From: Jimmy
>Sugestion:

>Alpha:     A
>Bita:      B

 This comes up once in a while as long as I can remember, and there is
no standard yet. Personally I use:

ABGDEZHQIKLMNJOPRSTYFXCW

Which is 90% the same as a standard Greek typewriter.

For transliteration purposes, (rendering of Greek names in English)
there is in fact an official guideline, which is used by the Greek
Gvmnt. I remember seeing it once, but I don't have a copy. It looks very
similar to your list with some improvements to render the sounds more
accuratele (for example, X=Ch, B=V).

Michael.