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From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Bring Back the Sting Ray
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:49:55 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

When I heard Schwinn filed for chapter 11, I couldn't help thinking about my
63 crusier, paper route bike.  Schwinns biggist mistake was to try and compete
with the current market.  What they should have done was to stick with what
made the company the powerhouse in the 60's and early 70's, pre-oriental
copies, somewhat like Harley Davidson.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big
fan of Harleys, but I have to give them credit for sticking to their guns.
It's probably too late now, but I think Schwinn should bring back their
Basic, Varsity 10-speed, with the purple paint job and the white Schwinn
decals.  Bring back the Sting-Ray, the coolest bike of the 60's with the
banana seat, and sissy bar...and of course thier pride and joy, the Black
Panthom. I'll never sell my "Red 63' Typhoon" it brings back alot of memories.
From: aq619@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Dokler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: 25.0 mm seatposts wanted
Date: 14 Oct 1992 13:10:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I need two 25.0 mm diameter seatposts.  Any collecting
dust in a basement or garage out there?  Please E-mail
or 216/333-8079.  Thanks.

John
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Performance mail-order bikes - opinions?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:02:21 GMT

IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Jon Carr) writes:
>For around $600, you could get yourself a RockHopper Comp from
>Specialized, or a TREK 950 (made in the US!).  Both of these bikes
>are LX/DX blends.  They both use nice alloy wheels and hubs,
>stainless spokes, etc.  Plus, the service you will get from your
>local dealer is well worth the $15-20 you might spend on a brand
>name.
Buy a Bridgestone MB-5 for $500 and get better handling and lighter weight
than the above bikes.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Re: Elevated road stems
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:51:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1687FCE89.M16302@mwvm.mitre.org> M16302@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>Does anyone know a source for elevated road stems.  Like a mountain stem but
>allows for the curvature of the road stem when inserting.  Seems there were
>some in the 1992 Specialized catalog but not in the 1992 one.  Would prefer one
>for Cinelli but will settle for TTT size.

COGGS FRAMEWORKS in Calgary, Alberta will custom make you a stem.
They will make the elevation what ever you want, but the price is
a little steep $125 Canadian (about $100 US).  Their phone number
is (403) 291-4996.

Shane Esau

From: chism@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Wayne Chism)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:11:39 GMT
Subject: Re: More tandem purchase advice needed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

As the proud owners of a Burley Bossa-Nova I'll throw in my
two cents worth regarding tandems.  If you want a road bike,
don't get a mountain bike (or vice versa!) - they're different
beasts.  So, the Rock and Roll would be a poor substitute for
the Santana Arriva.  

As to the relative merits between Santana and Burley.  I've
heard that for a given $$$, Santana puts a bit more into the
frame, and that Burley gives slightly nicer components.  I've
been very pleased with the Burley, but like you, we use the
bike for rec riding / touring - no racing.  We probably 
wouldn't know the subtle differences on one verses the other.

So decide road vs mountain style, decide how much you want to
spend, and buy the best you can!

Happy Tandeming!

Wayne
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal)
Subject: Re: yet another lighting system
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.184430.28037@col.hp.com>, arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
writes: 

> Sorry, for the typo, Mike is correct. The NiCads want to be charged from a
> constant current source and, for best results and long life, charging
> should be terminated once the cell voltage reaches a maximum and then
> starts to fall. This is known as the -dv/dt method . A new company,
> called Benchmarq , is producing a NiCad battery charger chip which will
> perform all the functions necessary to build a NiCad battery charger with
> minimal external support circuitry. 

I wonder whether such a method also works when I try to recharge the battery 
from the generator on the bike. It yields 0.5A so preventing overcharging is a 
wise thing to do. Of course I'd like to switch on the generator only on the 
downhill parts. In some terrain that will result in an irregular cycle of 
loading (downhill) and not loading (uphill). Does the -dv/dt method still work 
under such conditions?

Regards, <kees>
From: gareth@bcsaic.boeing.com (Gareth Beale)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:23:35 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <1992Oct5.015319.22430@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au> sml@yarra-glen.aaii.oz.au (Steven Law) writes:
>thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de (Thomas Driemeyer) writes:
>
>>In article <9210020537.AA07573@mcs.drexel.edu> upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu (Paul Siu) writes:
...
stuff deleted
...
>
>>If you don't mind the extra weight, use Mr. Tuffy's, and use a size or
>>two above the recommended width. Thorns never seem to enter exactly in
>>the center of the tire. Don't worry about the Kevlar edges chafing on the
>>tube.
>
>I have had great mileage from Kevlar belted tyres. Two of us rode across
>North America in 9 months with 1 flat between us (from a nail).
>They might not stop your cat but they will help stop glass and small thorns.
>On the other hand, I only tried Mr Tuffy's for a very short time before
>getting cuts from the edges. Kevlar tyres - don't leave home without them :-)
>
>Steve Law

I can agree with the comment about Mr Tuffy's.  The edge formed at the 
overlap is sharp enough to cut through the inner tube.  I tried to file
down the edge, and in the end melted it with a bic lighter to take the 
edge off.  They have prevented punctures, but my last one was caused 
by the liner itself, and whats more I had to throw the tube away because
it was not patchable.  When my present tyres wear out, I'm going to try
kevlars and ditch the Mr Tuffy's.

Gareth Beale (206)865-5375  #
Mail Stop 7A-35             #  e-mail:
Boeing Computer Services    #  gfb@sdc.boeing.com
P.O. Box 24346              #  or:
Seattle, Wa. 98124-0346     #  gfb%sdc@atc.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Schwinn Chapter 11
From: royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics)
Date: 10 Oct 92 10:04:47 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: royce

Schwinn has a broad range of products.  Schwinn competes with Trek, Cannondale,
Specialized, etc; AND they competed with Huffy and Murray.  Well, they
attempted to compete with everyone.

According to the LA Times, 2/3 of the bikes sold are the department store
variety, but they only account for _40%_ of the revenue.  The $$ are in the
high-end bikes, and thriving US bike makers are those that can make high-end
products efficiently, or low end products very efficiently.

Schwinn does not appear to make bikes very well.  That's why they failed.

-- 
Royce Myers			EDS Unigraphics
royce@mdcbbs.com 		"Work is the curse of the drinking class"
					-- W. C. Fields
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jk@fc.hp.com
 (John Kessenich)
Subject: Re: More tandem purchase advice needed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Workstation Kernel, Ft. Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:49:26 GMT

Brian Minsk (gt9045a@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
: Well, me and my wife did some looking around Atlanta and we also found a
: used 1991 Burley Rock and Roll.  The asking price is $1200 and it appears as
: if it has barely been used - the guy selling it says that it doesn't have over
: 100 miles on it.  It has a disc brake and has water bottle cages, racks, cycle 
: computer etc. while the Santana, since it is new, comes bare bones.  

We bought a 1991(?)  Burley Rock and Roll last summer.  Put 1400 miles on it
this summer including a 6-day trip in the rockies.  We think it works great.

: ... The main problem is that the Burley is a mountain tandem 
: while we would prefer a road tandem.

I thought it could be configured either way.  You might check out how
much it would cost to put narrow (or at least smooth) tires and touring
handle bars.

Ours has 1.5 inch smooth 85 lb/sq.in.  tires and I added extra handles to
provide more hand positions for touring and the ability to crouch down in
stronger head winds.  I think it is only a little less efficient than a
straight touring configuration, and it's a good trade-off:  The tires make
the bumps a little less painful (something the stoker will appreciate when
the captain misses a call) the configuration is more comfortable/convenient
for commuting around town, and I've unexpectedly hit into sand/gravel with
falling a couple times that I don't think I would have pulled out of with
narrow tires (these risks are tougher on a tandem since you're also
responsible for a stoker).

: We don't plan to use our tandem for racing - just touring.

When we tour, we might be going a little slower than on a straight touring
configuration, but the bike feels good and is fun to ride, so we don't feel
like we're going slow.

: So, again, I'd like to ask if this is a good buy.

Sounds like an OK buy, if it really only has 100 miles on it.  We got a
similar set up brand new right from a local dealer for around $150-200 over
the $1200 you mentioned, so it certainly isn't a great bargain.

: Is there much difference 
: using a mountain tandem on the road vs. a road tandem (our impression from
: our short rides on each is that there is a significant difference)? 

Yes.  It has a long wheel base with a low tube between the wheels.  This
means you can't go over big obstacles without landing on that tube.  It's
also harder to climb steep hills.  On the other hand, that long wheel base
has advantages in stability and braking.  The rear disc brake can stop you
pretty fast, and there is no problem applying lots of front break with it,
as the bike's length prevents it from flipping over the front wheel.  Also,
it feels much more stable to me going 50 MPH down a steep hill than a single
bike.

--------------
John Kessenich
From: jbrandt@hplred.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:54:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

Sure Kevlar tires work but are they any better than ones without a
Kevlar belt or for that matter a Kevlar casing.  There is no doubt
that Kevlar strands are more difficult to cut than Rayon or Nylon but
most tires use only a mixed weave of this "super" material because it
causes high rolling resistance.  As has been pointed out, thorns and
pointed objects do not need to break chords to penetrate the tire.
They go between fibers with Kevlar as they do with other materials.

My main dislike of this material is that it adds a layer to the part
of the tire that flexes the most (the tread zone) and it does nothing
for the strength of the tire.  It is in most tires just another "Mr.
Tuffy" idly going along for the ride while dragging its feet.  To make
up for that it weighs more and costs a large chunk more.

I don't see the need for Kevlar for my riding because most of my flats
are from causes for which a Kevlar layer gives no protection.  I most
often get snake bites or a thorn that got kicked out onto the street by
a jogger who runs up the side of the road where these things grow.

Kevlar also has a limited life in that it becomes brittle with
exposure to moisture.  This is why police departments replace their BP
vests after a time whether used or not.  I am sure there are many
applications where you will not find Kevlar although it is touted to
do exactly what is required.  Its other negative features are what
keep it where it is.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: SAILER@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DONALD R SAILER)
Subject: Re: bolts that stay on.
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:38:56 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Oct12.181720.10946@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> millere@frith.msu.edu writes:

> I have a problem that it quite vexing. When I mount hardware on
> my bike it seems impossible to keep the nut and bolt combinations
> from jiggling loose, no matter how tight. Lock nuts don's seem to
> help either. Does anyone have a solution that can last between 
> Michigan's harsh season changes?


I've used Locktite pretty effectively. It is a liquid you put on the bolt 
before you put the nut on. It works well.


Randy Sailer
University of Massachusetts
Randy.Sailer@OCIS.UMass.edu
From: danmacd@terapin.com (Daniel Macdougall)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB Stem Info Needed
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:20:03 PST
Organization: BBS

I bought a Univega Team Alpina (basically their racing MTB) about two weeks
ago. It came with a good ritchey stem, but the problem is that the stem is
130mm long. I'm looking for a 100mm, or at the MOST a 110mm stem, with a
25-degree rise. I've considered the Girvin Flex-Stem, the Control Tech, the
Richey Pro Comp, and the Answer A-Tac (though they seem to have nothing shorter
than 120mm -- does anyone know if they make a shorter one?). 

Any opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc, would be a great help!

--
Daniel MacDougall
danmacd@terapin.com
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Schwinn Chapter 11
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:56:29 GMT

dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>I've heard media "analysts" say that Schwinn failed to keep up with trends, but
>I have to question that.  Schwinn has offered a full range of bikes, from
>cheap 12-spds, to true Cruisers, to 3-spd uprights, to 5-spd Cruisers, to folders
>(the Montagues), to mixte-framed atb's, to cross-bikes (bargains!), all 
>ranges of mountain, touring, and race bikes.  In fact, I don't know anyone that
>offers a broader range of models than Schwinn.  And you may not equate the
>Schwinn line with newer makes, but they were not Huffys or Murrays, either.
Schwinn was very slow to adjust to the market in the 80's.  They were still
selling heavy bikes when Trek etc. was making aluminum.  It took them too
long to get the technical ball rolling.  Idon;t know if this is why they went
under though, we're prejudiced in favor of higher end bikes but I suspect
the bulk of their money came from lower end stuff.  On the other hand I think
their name hurt them in the higher end market because many people don't think
of Schwinn as a high-end bike company.  It's like people not buying bar-end
shifters because they remind them of touring bikes.  In fact the new breed
of bar-ends are great and it looks like the newer Schwinns are too.
-Terry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: Avocet Cyclometer
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:52:59 GMT

thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de (Thomas Driemeyer) writes:

>Anyway, still the best bicycle computer I ever had. I especially like the
>coil sensor (as opposed to reed switches), and to be able to reset
>everything separately. Lots of little details done The Right Way, like
>the increment/decrement arrow for numerical setups. Except - no 24-hour
>clock in "metric" mode. Confusing.

I really like my Avocet 50 as well. I haven't had the problems of the 
battery falling out since I have never dropped it (perhaps you move
it between bikes?). The only annoyance I have observed in 3000 miles
of use is that I often have to cycle through displays to get to what
I want to see. I would love to see a model with a bigger display that
showed "primary" data simultaneously. I'm sure deciding on which
function is primary would be a separate debate. But I would like to
see velocity, altitude, trip distance and trip time on one face. 
I don't mind cycling through screens to get total climb, average speed,
max speed or time of day. Someone who bought the cadence option would
want that on the primary screen and sometimes I would prefer time of
day to trip time. So where is that Avocet 60 with the big screen that
is fully programable and costs more than a low-end hybrid? 

Jim Moore
Colorado Springs
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From: mattc@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Matt Courtois)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Super light stuff
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:00:01 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <BvpEE9.AJI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

>>I know in my lifetime Klein will be replacing my frame again.
>How long did it take Klein to repai and/or replaces your frame?
>-Terry

  1.) Crack at seat post slot in seat tube.  Frame was repaired and
      repainted.  Bike was sent to Klein around first week in Sept
      and because of InterBike (sp?) show they said it would take
      a little longer.  I got the frame back in 4 1/2 weeks.

  2.) Same crack at seat post slot and cracked Mission Control.  
      Frame was repaired.  Frame and fork repainted, new Mission 
      Control.  Got the frame back in 3 weeks.

  3.) Same crack at seat post slot and crack at head/down tube weld.
      Frame replaced.  Got it back in 3 weeks

  Matt.
From: ervolina@pkmfgvm2.VNET.IBM.COM (Tom Ervolina)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:36:15 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB'ing in southern central PA
Organization: IBM Poughkeepsie, NY
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

Some friends and I are planning a long weekend of camping and Mountain
Biking somewhere in southern central PA.  In particular, we're considering
either Tuscarora State Forest (about 30 miles west of Harrisburg) or
Michaux State Forest (30 miles southwest of Harrisburg).  Can anyone provide
some info on either of these places?  (ie, where are the good trails, is it
legal to ride, etc).  Please respond by e-mail -- I'll summarize if there's
interest.  Thanks.

Tom Ervolina               IBM, Poughkeepsie, NY
ervolina@pkmfgvm2.vnet.ibm.com
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: custom lighting systems
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:17:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <Bw2DEy.AzD@fc.hp.com> koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:
>Hmm, maybe somebody should collect some of these custom lighting system
>posts and put them in a FAQ.  There has been mine, a good one by Joshua
>Putnam, and a few others around.  It sounds useful to build a small
>collection of designs so that new people can get them from one place...

Arnie Berger pointed this out to me.  There's already one file on lights
in the ftp archives, so I'm going to collect a few of the recent posts and
put them in there too.  There's too much stuff for the FAQ.


Mike
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jweiss@paintbrush.cgd.ucar.edu (Jeffrey Weiss)
Subject: Re: Krytonite cable locks
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.164121.21313@cis.ohio-state.edu> grichard@swimming.cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard III) writes:
>
>Anyone have any experience with Kryptonite's cable locks?   Is there
>something inside that sleek black case besides your run-of-the-mill
>steel cable?   How's the lock itself?

I use this lock because it is more convenient than my U-lock, but only
for short periods of time in crowded locations during the day: grocery
store, etc.  And I probably wouldn't even do that if I lived in a city
much bigger than Boulder.  I have a friend who used this lock outdoors
overnight at Woods Hole and ended up without a bike.  The cable was
cut clean through.
--
Jeff
jweiss@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: gavind@physiol.su.OZ.AU (Gavin Dixon)
Subject: TRAVEL CASES
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:49:13 GMT

What range of hard travel cases are available in the US for the transport of
a road cycle? The only thing available in Australia is produced by Adura, 
consists of two plastic shell halves hinged together and secured by four
parachute straps...and retails for $700 (ie US$ 530). Seems unreasonable to 
me. Please email some prices.

Thanks in advance

gavin

From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:58:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Ways to alleviate wind-in-ear noise?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

In rec.bicycles.misc, boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone) writes:

> In article <102420012@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
> says:
> 
> >In article <1992Oct6.123524.20342@IDA.ORG> boone@IDA.ORG (John Boone)
> >is scary:
> 
> >>   ...  There are probably enough cyclists who use headphones to
> >>   warrant a posting on the subject. 
> 
> >Good heavens, I hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >Headphones with noise coming through them is dangerous to the using
> >cyclist and all those around them.  Auditory signals from the
> >environment are absolutely essential to safe cycling.  Focusing
> >noise into your ear--even at a "safe" ~70db--is dangerous in the
> >extreme. 
> 
> I agree with this 100%, but I still see a lot of people doing it.

I'll admit it in public, I often use walkmans when cycling alone.  
It is more dangerous, but when cycling on rural roads east of Ft. Collins
I only see maybe 1 car every 5 minutes, so I'm not too concerned about it.
If you want to hear the cars behind you, use Sony earbuds (they insert
into the ear, which also keeps your ears warm!), and only insert the
right earbud - that way you can hear cars coming up on your left.
A rear view mirror is also a very good idea if you want to use a walkman
while cycling.

On a tangient, for those who find headphones categorically unacceptable
for cycling:  Should deaf persons be allowed to bicycle (or drive) on 
the road?

Keith "gotta keep them tunes goin'" Erskine