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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Gelcoat scratches
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 6140058@hplsla.hp.com, davek@hplsla.hp.com (Dave Kelley) writes:
> Hello Boatheads,
> 
> I've got a couple of superficial scratches in the gelcoat of my boat.  What's
> the best way to get 'em out?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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If they are really superficial, I would let them alone.  You could certainly buff 
them out by using fine sandpaper followed by polishing compound, followed by
toothpaste, followed by wax.  However, in doing this, you will be removing more
gelcoat (which is not very thick) and risking polishing right through it.  If
the scratches are serious enough to be a problem, a better solution is to get
some gelcoat (the exact color, from the manufacturer, works best, but even that
does not always match exactly) and fill the crack.  Since gelcoat is very thin,
you will not fill much of a crack with it.  Some people add micro balloons to the
gelcoat to thicken it.  I have had better success with filling the crack with
Marine Tex (an epoxy filler), sanding it and the surrounding area down a bit
(some masking tape around the area helps to contain where you sand), and then
putting a couple of coasts of gelcoat over the area.  I like to use saran wrap
over the gelcoat to make it smooth and help it cure.

If you are going to go the route of patching the crack, I suggest you find a 
book or article on the subject because I have not given you all of the detailed
instructions and tips here.

Jeff Huntington
From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Insurance Company Survey
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:17:02 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA




       I used to have State Farm coverage for my boat. But their prices
began to rise, and when I examined the policy a little more closely, I
discovered the coverage was not very complete.   
  I now have a Unigard Springline policy. The price is good, and the coverage
is very comprehensive.  I have no claims, so I can't tell how they perform.  
  Seattle Area.

                    Thatch Harvey
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Olympics Sailing News/Results
Date: 30 Jul 1992 23:09:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In spite of what the Subject line says, the subject is really Race Committees.  I
want to say a few words to support Don (not that he needs any support - he addresses
the subject very well himself).

When I was racing, I did my share of race committee duty, although there were
those who did not.  I believed if sailboat racing were my thing, I owed it to 
the sport to do my share of race committee work.  In addition, I learned a few
things about how sailboat racing by being on the RC.  It is an unique perspective 
on what goes on out there on the course.

When I got to the point where I had enjoyed all of the racing I could, and wanted to 
spend more time cruising, many of my associates saw in me a ready made race committee
member.  I don't think that some of them even now understand that if one is interested
in racing, one should take their trick at RC.  If one is not interested in sailboat
racing, then they might not be interested in being on the race committee.

The point I want to make is this.  Those of you who are racing have an obligation 
to the sport to spend your fair share of time on a race committee.  

Jeff Huntington

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dgp@atlas.wustl.edu (Don Porter)
Subject: Sailing near St. Louis, MO ?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: mo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:41:02 GMT

I'm looking for some place nearby where I could do some sailing.
I would need to be able to rent everything.  Also, it's been
~5 years since I've been, so the less challenging the better for
now.  Can anyone reading this direct me to a good place?  Please
send email, since I do not read this newsgroup regularly.

Thanks a bunch,
Don

|   Don Porter | dgp@saturn.wustl.edu | Washington University in St Louis   |
|  "The effect of liberty to individuals is, that they may do what they     |
|   please; we ought to see what it will please them to do, before we       |
|___risk congratulations." -- Edmund Burke._________________________________|
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: It's done
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:01:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.63km-y.greg
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Well, it's done. I no longer own a boat. Instead, I have a cashier's
check and about $400/month more ready cash.
 
Well, it's not that bad; I still have windsurfers and an inflatable
sport boat. So I'm not totally deprived. But still after six years,
I'll miss the old girl.
 
Greg
From: davek@hplsla.hp.com (Dave Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Gelcoat scratches
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:27:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.6140058
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

Hello Boatheads,

I've got a couple of superficial scratches in the gelcoat of my boat.  What's
the best way to get 'em out?

Thanks,

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Recursion Racing Report 7/18,7/19
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:18:27 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Well, this probably belongs cross posted to comp.risks and 
rec.after.drinking.racers.don't.check.numbers. It turns out that
the Larchmont Yacht Club had their computer setup wrong on Saturday
and calculated results on time-on-distance instead of time-on-time.
(There was no visual cue for this on the results sheet, that's the comp.risks
part) We had thought that given time-on-time, we had gotten Bumble Bee, but
nobody did the math. (That's the rec.after.drinking.racers.don't.check.numbers
part :) We got amended results today. Here's the shuffle:

	time-on-distance		time-on-time

	Voidoid V			Voidoid V
	Bumble Bee			Recursion
	Recursion			Instigator
	Instigator			Bumble Bee

That shuffles the two day results, so we're now tied. (Totally tied, beyond
their tie-break scheme) with Instigator for first, at five points a piece,
with Voidoid .75 behind, tied with X-cite at 5.75. 

Well, that makes next weekend's racing all the more interesting. (Or
should that
be less X-Citing?) Ain't handicapping fun?

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
From: billa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Arnold)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 19:42:03 GMT
Subject: Re: bareboating
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, rsc8905@blazer.sbi.com (Rich Syracuse) writes:
> i am planning a barebaoting "expedition" in april and was wonrering 
> about fellow netters experiences
> ( good or bad ) while bareboating in the bvi. any comments, 
> recommendations, etc. would be appreciated.
> especially who you chartered through, how the service/provisioning 
> was, and where you chartered out of
> 						thnx,
> 							rich

I've chartered with "The Moorings" in the BVI on four occasions.
Very satisfied with them, their boats, and their service.  Awesome
experience.

You can provision locally in Tortola.  The mini supermarkets have
everything you need from pure junk food to salty everything to organic
food.

As for bareboating, you need to do something to convince the chartering
company you can sail.  This is no big deal if you are qualified, and they
check you out on the boat on the first morning of your charter.  If
you are not qualified, you can start with a Captain and take a course
of sorts.  When you are ready, the Captain lets you go bareboating.

Bill Arnold
billa@hpfcma.fc.hp.com
"No guarantees."

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dmb@eddore.network.com (Duane M. Butler)
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Props
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:26:08 GMT


Another advantage of SS props are that they last longer.  Aluminum props tend
to get banged up easily.  On the other hand, when you do ding an SS prop, its
more expensive to fix.  I run mostly on the Mississippi River where there tends
to be alot of junk floating around, but even so, I've had good luck with SS.

Duane.
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What is your marina like?
Keywords: oops
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:50:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

My boat is in the Tomahawk Bay Moorage, on Hayden Island
in Portland, Or.  Its a great marina.  Cost for a 27' slip
is presently $91.00/mo  (~3.37/foot).

Nice stable concrete piers. Excellent, clean showers/bathrooms.
Congenial management.   Its a greate place.

The marina opens into a very wide section of Columbia River.
Excellent for river sailing.  The pacific Ocean is 120 miles
down river.

-rickf
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: iseman@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Early)
Subject: Re: What's a good pitch?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:16:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul9.103004.6418@ac.dal.ca> rharrie@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I have a question for all of you powerboaters.....I have a 75hp Johnson on
>my 14'6" Bowrider.  I currently have a 17" pitch prop.  This is a great prop 
>for hole shot and is good for waterskiing, but my RPM's climb a little high 
>when I am out alone (ie. I can easily push it past 5600 RPM, and have more 
>left).  The full throttle operating range for this motor is 5000-5500 RPM, 
>and the redline is 5500 RPM.  I tried a friends 19" pitch SS prop and this
>increased my top speed from 42MPH to 46MPH and dropped my RPM back to 5400.
>I am now in the market for a second prop and am trying to decide what to 
>buy.  I will be buying an aluminum prop but I want the best top end 
>performance that I can get.  There are no 'try before you buy' shops in my 
>area, so I want to make the right decision.  I was thinking about a 21" pitch
>or possibly a 23" pitch.  Any comments or recommendations would be much 
>appreciated 
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Robert Harrie
>RHARRIE@AC.DAL.CA

It is the prop that should govern your rpm's so your friends 19" sounds like
the one to buy.  However props can be cupped or not cupped.  Always add 2"
when going from a prop that is not cupped to a prop that is cupped.  You 
should also consider that the boats trim will effect rpm's and hole shot.  Most
boats are not trimmed correctly.  Trim your boat out as far as possible while
avoiding ventalation.  Then check your rpm's and decide on what prop to buy.
I also highly recommend a dole fin if you don't already have one.
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Looking for (not expensive) Wrist-Watch for Sailing
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:56:40 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid) writes:
>: Since I end up breaking the band of my Seiko every few months, I
>: thought it would be a good idea to buy a cheap watch so I don't loose
>: my better watch sailing.
>
>I use a $30.00 Casio and love it.

Ditto.

>It has two time zones, alarm, countdown timer (with switchable auto repeat),
>and a stop watch.  It is the only digital watch I have been able to pick up and
>use without reading the manual.

Agree completely.  Mine also rated to 200 meters.  Never tried that depth,
but it's been diving several times in the Virgins with nary a problem.
And the elastomeric case housing seems to survive anything: scratches,
shock and all encountered paints and solvents.

--- Bob

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Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mike@ravel.udel.edu (Michael James Porter)
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Props
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:46:56 GMT

In article <wwalker-290792092317@129.46.192.52> wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
>In article <154f9vINNp3n@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, cmac@anthrax.EBay.Sun.COM
>(Chris MacDonald) wrote:
>> 
>> Are SS props really that much better that aluminum?  What features justify
>> triple the price of aluminum?
>> 
>> Are they really that much more rigid than aluminum; enough so that you REALLY
>> notice the difference, for instance during the hole shot while waterskiing?
>My hole shot improved dramatically on my old 17' Dorsett when I switched to
>a SS prop, BUT I also dropped an inch in pitch and a half-inch in diameter.
> Oddly, my WOT RPM has actually gone _down_ (presumably due to replacing a
>1967 aluminum prop with a modern, cupped prop).  It looks like I could have


From what I've been told, normally you drop in pitch when going to SS
because the aluminum props have a tendancy to flatten out at high speed
due to lack of stiffness in the material.  With a small block V-8,
I've heard that normally a drop of between 2 - 3" is good if you want
to maintain the same max RPM.  The degree that this occurs is related
to the power your engine puts out.  I too would love to know how it
'feels', but since the boat is already plenty fast, I'm having
trouble convincing my wife that is worth it!
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Car topping small boats?
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:58:05 GMT

Having windsurfed for some years, I am now thinking of getting a small
sailboat.  For example, todays is 80 degrees, little puffy white clouds, but
only 5 to 10 mph winds...AND I have a three year old to watch; windsurfing is
out, its too warm to row (in a 2x, rigged as a single, with plenty of room
for a little passenger) any real distance, but it would be nice to get out.
 
Ideally, I would like something small enough to car top on a mini-van.  (I have
no idea where I could park a trailer.)  I think that with the help of a
simple ramp, I can handle anything that the roof can; based on my experience
hauling around stacks of sailboards, or a couple of (heavyish, recreational)
rowing shells, I would set the limit at about 140 pounds.  Any comments?
 
Several folks sail Banshee's (sp?), and we have tried one...and they seem to
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
be available used locally.  I have also looked at a Barnett(?) Max (11'), and
a Hobie 9; they are a good bit lighter, but seem to lack the performance.
Any reactions?
From: cmac@anthrax.EBay.Sun.COM (Chris MacDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Stainless Steel Props
Date: 28 Jul 1992 21:47:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax.ebay.sun.com

Are SS props really that much better that aluminum?  What features justify
triple the price of aluminum?

Are they really that much more rigid than aluminum; enough so that you REALLY
notice the difference, for instance during the hole shot while waterskiing?

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: lubenow@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: reefing headsails, why not roller furling?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:31:32 GMT

   Why not roller furling?  The answer is all of the above.  I'm used to 
hanked-on headsails.  Several of my friends have roller furling, and they 
seem to have not-so-good light air performance, as their sail is only a 130
or so, and no heavy air performance (too big, so they roll it up and start
the engine.)  Indeed, that was the first question the sail maker asked, too.
He said HIS new sail could be reefed up to 30 percent and still hold a decent 
shape.  Padded luff and all that.  If I went for a 150 for the light air this
region is so infamous for, 70 percent of that is still a lot of sail, and 130 
percent of the heavy weather sail I wanted would be useless in light air.
Spica has a big ol' Atomic 4 which I don't hesitate to use when I'm tired of
sailing, but when I'm sailing, I want to SAIL!
   I have all my halyards rigged back to the cockpit, and I have a jib downhawl
(a piece of 1/8 nylon string attatched to the halyard shackle, lead aft through
a little block at the tack) to get the sail down and hold it down.  Thus 
I too can raise or furl the headsail from the cockpit, which is the only 
advantage of roller furling.  Hanking on a sail is no big deal, once you've 
done it a couple times, and I have snap shackles at all three corners.  (The 
downhaul eliminates problems with flapping clew fittings.) Once down, I flake 
the sail by pulling gently on the leach, that folds it up accordion-like then 
I roll it up toward the luff, unhank it and bag it.  The new sail comes out of 
the bag just like that, rolled up with all the hanks right there, it goes on 
quick, snap on the sheets (a permanent part of the boat, like the main sheet) 
and it's ready to hoist.  All the while the main (and the autopilot) keeps the 
boat stable making slow headway.  With some practice, the whole operation takes 
5 minutes or so.  
   This rig allows me to set any sail, from drifters to genuine storm canvas, 
with complete control of the shape.  And when roller furling goes wrong, it
goes wildly wrong, something I almost certainly would NOT be able to deal with
single-handed.  The mechanisms are too complicated to fix either under way or 
(probably) even back at the dock.
From: tim@reed.edu (Timothy R. Flanagan)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Want info on C-15 and JY-15
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:28:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul30.022835.23039
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I am considering the purchase of a small one-design day-sailer. 
I am currently considering two designs in particular:  The Coronado 15
(or C-15), and the newer JY-15.  I am seeking recommendations from 
sailors with experience on either boat.

I am almost positive that I would enjoy owning the Rod Johnstone-designed 
JY-15 more than the C-15, but it will also cost me almost twice as much.  A 
new C-15 runs around $2500, while the JY runs around $4500.  Added to this 
is the fact that there are plenty of used C-15s around, while the JY-15 was
only introduced in 1989.  The upshot of this is that I can save lots of 
money by buying a used C-15, but this option does not exist for the JY-15.

Another factor in the C-15's favor is the well-established class here 
in the Seattle area.  There are lots of boats, and they race regularly
during the summer.  I have never even seen a JY-15 in person, which is
not to say the fleet does not exist here, nor that it won't catch on
rapidly, but I'm not aware of it at the present time.

My basic question is this:  Given all the factors favoring the C-15, is
there a compelling reason to continue considering the JY-15?  What usually
happens to folks who decide to gamble on a new class?  Do they race around
against the one other boat in the area until it (hopefully) catches on?
What sort of "failure rate" is typical of new designs?  Does the fact that
Johnstone's other "J-series" boats have done quite well give the JY-15 a
better chance of surviving?  

Also, I'm curious as to whether the twenty or so years separating the 
introductions of the C-15 and the JY-15 will make a significant difference
in the way the two boats sail.  They are strikingly similar in basic
configuration, but innovations in sailboat design may make the JY-15
worth every penny of added expense.  I simply do not have the experience
to draw this conclusion, and I'm hoping to hear from netters who do.

Thanks in advance,

Timothy R. Flanagan
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:29:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for (not expensive) Wrist-Watch for Sailing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:

    Since I end up breaking the band of my Seiko every few months, I
    thought it would be a good idea to buy a cheap watch so I don't loose
    my better watch sailing.

I won't try to advise you on what watch to buy because I'm too much
out of touch now.  However, I suggest that when you do buy one, if it
has a two-part band, replace the band with a single one.

After losing a relatively expensive watch that caught on the rigging,
I went to K-Mart and bought a <$20 Casio.  I also bought a single band
and had the assistant swop the bands for me.  Next I tried to buy some
of the pins (don't know their official name) that attach the strap to
the watch.  The assistant wouldn't sell me any but she gave me a dozen
which I keep in a box on my boat.

Twice in the last season I have caught my watch on the rigging and had
one of the pins tear out.  Instead of watching the thing go over the
side, I still have it held to the single strap by the other pin.
Replace the lost pin and carry on.

The single strap does not look as fancy as the original two-part
strap, but so what?

B.S! (he of the lugger...)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mbr@bellcore.com (Mark Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Looking for (not expensive) Wrist-Watch for Sailing
Reply-To: mbr@bellcore.com (Mark Rosenstein)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Jul 92 07:13:56

In article <5011@transfer.stratus.com> kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
Path: walter!uunet!gatech!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!samsung!transfer!questor.sw.stratus.com!kvk
   From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
   Newsgroups: rec.boats
   Date: 21 Jul 92 20:16:34 GMT

   might be useful or at least amusing.  I'm looking for something under
   $100 like Casio or equivelent brand (no ROLEXes, TAGs, 1992 Olympic
   Seikos, America's Cup Citizens, etc).  Of course it should be water
   resistant, preferably to 100m.
Casio has an 800 number (which I don't know off hand but
1-800-555-1212 will) and I obtained their catalog of watches which is
a truly fun read. They have a gazillion different types of watches. My
only problem is that the more featureful watches don't have lights,
which I'd really like.

Mark.
-----
Disclaimer: I am just a satisfied casio watch customer.

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