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From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: info on Wylie & Kerrigan show
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:21:18 GMT

Somebody mentioned a few days ago that Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan
are doing a tour.  I found an ad for it in the Boston Globe.  It's
called the "Fall Festival of Champions" (or something like that), and
the other skaters include Mark Mitchell, Jill Trenary, the Carruthers,
Roslyn Sumners, and several others I can't remember.  Anyway, there are
three performances in Fitchburg MA (about 50 miles west of Boston) on
Oct 30 and 31.  You can get tickets through Ticketmaster, but they
were absolutely clueless about if and when the show would be playing
in other cities.

-Sandra
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice Skating mailing list?
Date: 25 Sep 92 21:06:29 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: xxx

In article <1992Sep25.164215.16055@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
> >>painful) way of breaking in a new pair of boots?  One suggestion I've
> >>heard is to wear them around the house.  Any other ideas?
> 
> The guy at SP Teri said the same thing, except he said to wear thick socks.
> It's hard enough putting the boot on with thin socks, which brings up another
> point: How tight are the boots supposed to fit?  Mine almost feel like a 
> vacume (sp?) seal when I put them on.  There's a little bit of room for
> the toes, but otherwise it is an extremely snug fit.  Is this normal?  

This class of fit is what you've just forked over big bucks for and all
that custom fitting stuff.   Ideally, the boots fit like a glove, with
no slop to let your foot slip and slide around.  Since the leather will
become more flexible and stretch, both as it breaks in and as it becomes
moist during a skating session, you're going to start on the tight side.

Note that most peoples feet swell as the day goes on.  You might want to
put in some of the damp-sock molding time in the morning, when your feet
are on the petitie side.

You might also want to try the "double layer" socks that have been mentioned
here.  They consist of two layers of high-tech polyester fabric that both
slide against each other and against the skate, but are no more bulky than
cotton crew/sport socks.

They should be quite effective at reducing friction injuries, but can't
do much about pressure.  Any spots that are really too tight and don't
break in, you'll have to get the leather stretched.

I found the double layer socks at the local "REI" sporting goods co-op
branch.  If there is no REI local to you, you might check other stores
that carry high-tech shoes and socks.  They are expensive $7.50/pair
but seem to do what they advertise.

I bought a pair to try in my skates, and if anything, they're too darn
slippery.  I have to tighten the skate considerably more than usual to
feel secure and haven't found the ideal point between security and too
tight for confort (pressure, not friction).

The socks are manufactured by "Double Lay-R Sock Co - Mechanicsburg PA",
have labels asserting use of some good-guy DuPont fiber and seem to
be interchangably labled "Double Lay-R" or "Double Cool-R".  REI only
had pink and navy blue...
From: pierre@smos.com (Pierre Lessard)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re:  "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:42:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: smos.1992Sep30.174244.19647
Distribution: na
Organization: S-MOS, Inc

We used to play roller-hockey in the parking lot at lunch time until the
building owners sent us a very interesting memo.  It states that "...roller-
blading and street hockey is a non-intended use of their property...".
They go on saying that "...in addition to being a safety hazard to people
and vehicles, the asphalt surface is being compromised..."

Can you belive that ??


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From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Full size tracks of speed skating
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:51:43 GMT
	<1992Sep25.225425.9950@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: University of Manchester, UK
In-reply-to: rvanderb@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 25 Sep 92 22:54:25 GMT


>That's nonsense!
Oops!

>There are 400m tracks all over Europe, including France, Italy and
>maybe Spain (not sure). And your friend says it's too warm in the UK?
>I guess speed skating is just not popular in the UK.

I totally agree that speed skating (400m track) is no more popular than
any other countries in the world. I just can't find one track here. I'd
definitely have a go if there were one no matter it's in Aberdeen or
Brighton. In fact I tried the ice rink in Oxford. Thanks god I didn't
forget the seven years training I had in China, otherwise I'd got all
wet. Everyone skates on the water!!! What a rink! I just feel so frustrated
with the facility here.

It is true that it's generally warm in UK through out the winter. It rarely
gets below 0 degree. And UK won't throw money to build an indoor full size track
without seeing the prospect of the gold medals. They are currently too far behind.

Yi Qin
Manchester
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From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: Re: Inline wheel question
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:47:25 GMT

In article <Cohena-300992094407@l30346.mdc.com> Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen) writes:
>I just got a pair of Ultra-wheels a few weeks ago....  I grew up on both
>roller and ice skates so I don't see myself as a beginning skater......
>My wheels are also wearing way too fast... This is why I've been looking on
>this board to see if people rotate them from one side to the other and to
>
>I've been avoiding the use of the so-called brake and used the side
>friction to stop as I do on ice....if this wears the wheels then both sides

Rotating and flipping your wheels should extend the life of your wheels
somewhat, but if you're really concerned about prolonging wheel use,
learn to use your brake.  It's more versatile than you may think and
it's only 3 bucks a pop.  If you're on a budget, let your wallet decide 8-)


-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
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From: hess@convex.com (Mark Hess)
Subject: replacing wheels
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:15:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


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From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:42:33 GMT

>In rec.skate, guy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Guy Sitler) writes:
> 	Hi,
>            My place of employment has recently banned In-Line skating
> on site.   They do allow walking, running and bicycling.  What are
> the policies at other companies? 

Well I am at Motorola's Chicago campus.  A couple of us sometime skate
around the parking lot and play roller hokey on the BASKETBALL court.
So far we have not been hassled.  Maybe there aren't enough of us to post
any thread to those security guys.

Two seasons ago I used to skate from my building to the volleyball
courts to play in the company's volleyball leagues.  This is great cos
I got to warm up before playing.  However skating on campus
here is not very fun since there are a lot of geese drops as well as 
crazy drivers around.

-Dan

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From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: Re:  "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:49:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.174244.19647@smos.com> pierre@smos.com (Pierre Lessard) writes:
>We used to play roller-hockey in the parking lot at lunch time until the
>building owners sent us a very interesting memo.  It states that "...roller-
>blading and street hockey is a non-intended use of their property...".
>They go on saying that "...in addition to being a safety hazard to people
>and vehicles, the asphalt surface is being compromised..."
>
>Can you belive that ??

(Go skate on a university tennis court.  You'll get annoying assistant
 coaches running out yelling "verboten! verboten!" 1/2 8-)

I've been wondering about this.  Just how much wearage can lots of skating
do to parking-lots, tennis courts, etc?  I've yet to see any damage caused
by skating on parking-lots or tennis courts.  However, this doesn't mean
that long-term usage won't cause some damage.  Has anyone here come across
a surface which has obviously been damaged due to overskating?  Of course,
with hockey, there may be other factors like runner scrapes and stick banging
but what about from the wheels themselves?  Seems to me the large majority of
wearage comes at the expense of the wheels.

Just wondering...

-Tony Chen
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
From: guy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Guy Sitler)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 16:11:01 GMT
Subject: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skate

	Hi,

           My place of employment has recently banned In-Line skating

on site.   They do allow walking, running and bicycling.  What are
 
the policies at other companies? 


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From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re:  "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:14:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.004940.24812@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) writes:
>Has anyone here come across
>a surface which has obviously been damaged due to overskating?

There's a track-like loop here (about 400m total length) that the
bladers in the area love.  It is obvious that people use it for
blading because you can see all kinds of marks on the surface.
However, these marks disappear whenever it rains, so I think they
might be wheel remnants rather than asphault damange.

The bike path in Boulder is made of concrete and has these same
markings (with the same after the rain pattern).

I don't think that there is much permanant damage that is happening to
the asphault, and no damage to the concrete.  Driving a car (or lots
of them) over the surface also leaves marks....

Granted, none of these places have people playing hockey on them.  I
have never looked at a lot after a game of hockey....

Warner


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From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: Boise, Idaho 50k results
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 23:06:25 GMT

The Boise, Idaho 50K was held this Sunday Oct 4.  Skaters did 3 laps
around a 10 1/3 mile or so wonderfully smooth J-shaped course around the Boise
airport.  There was a fairly strong wind blowing down the length of the
"J", which made for a tough return leg (4 miles or so?) into the wind,
and with a climb to boot.  The finish was towards the end of the small 
arm of the J.  Race day dawned cold and overcast after overnight
showers, but fortunately the course was dry by race time.  The first several
placings for men and women are below.  (Apologies for misspellings)  I
finished well down, but it was a blast.

From what I could see and what I was told by John Svensson, the 1st lap was
taken at a fairly slow pace.  About midway through the race, before the return
leg into the wind, Ultra Wheels decided to test the strength of Riddle.
"Svens" attacked, with Riddle following him.  The 2 opened up a gap, with
the other 2 Ultra Wheel teammates hanging back within striking distance.
With 1/2 a lap remaining, at the turnaround at the far end of the 'J', 
Svens stopped to wait for his teammates and for water.  This left Riddle
to skate the return leg into the wind by himself.  The Ultra wheelers
hung some distance  behind, letting Mike expend all his energy.  Shortly before
the finish, they reeled him in.  The Ultra Wheelers had drawn straws
to see who would be led out if it came to a sprint, and it was Gary Gandee.
Thus, perhaps 1K from the finish, Svens set a furiouos pace.  After his
enormous energy expenditure, Mike couldn't quite hang on, and finished a few
seconds behind the 3 Ultra Wheels men.  Smart skating by Ultra-wheels.

This was a great race, I hope many of you go to it next year.
The course was *very* smooth and although it was open to traffic,
there was a very wide, smooth shoulder, traffic was very
sparse and the police did a super job at intersections.  Unfortunately the
race was rather sparsely attended, since Athens-Atlanta was held the same day.
Good thing so many of us decided to drive down from Seattle!
By the way, we heard the weather was truly atrocious out in Atlanta,
with gale-force winds and tons of water, and rumor had it that the race might
even have been canceled !!!  Any news?

Ricardo

Men 50K
	Gary Gandee		1:43:56	Ultra Wheels	Seattle
	Eric Matzen		1:43:57 Ultra Wheels	Seattle
	John Svensson		1:43:58 Ultra Wheels	Seattle
	Mike Riddle		1:44:01 Team Karim
	Charles Nicholas	1:46:48
	Jeremy Bone		1:59:53
	Tom Tanouye		2:02:35			Seattle
	Chris Ode		2:02:52
	Bruce Baker		2:10:??

Women 50k
	Kalinn Dishion		1:53:28
	Ginny Brandt		2:11:03
	Mary Duremberger	2:14:53
	Cathy Pierce		2:15:56
	Judy Cuccia		2:27:56
	Rachel Sahout		2:32:43

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From: travis@athena.mit.edu (Richard T Atkins)
Subject: washing roller blades
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:54:03 GMT

I wash my actuall stakes.
When they get really dirty, I take out the liners, wheels and
every thing and was the plastic boot in my washing machine.
It really cleans them up and doest hurt the washer.

travis@athena.mit.edu
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: abrupt stopping of inlines
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:53:16 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

>>Er...by 'fall down' I mean use your knees, elbows, and wrist guards when you 
>>reach the ground. 
>
>Actually, I prefer a controlled collapse onto my rear end and then sliding.
>Protection is for uncontrolled falls...
>
>--phil
----------

Do you wear jeans or leather pants?  I usually wear shorts.  I don't think
my arse will like the skid marks much.  I just try not to fall, skate in 
control, etc. but I've had to use the protection a few times and have
been glad I've had it.  Haven't tried a controlled collapse yet.  Should I?

Kirk (back to my 'blades now that the wind is shutting off) out
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: Inline wheel question
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:55:21 GMT

In article <35566@cbmvax.commodore.com>
  grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>One, toe brakes are for beginners and emulating advanced ice skating jumps
>that use the toe pick for take off or landing.  The heel brake is a serious
>utility brake, don't judge it by the toe stop.
>
>The big difference is that (after practice) you can effectively put your
>weight on the heel brake for maximum stopping action, all you can with the
>toe stop is drag it behind or (if skilled) twist as do an ass-backwards
>stop.

Hang on.  You forgot one good use for toe stops where it really does beat
heel brakes by a considerable margin.  Sharp, confined stairs.  You can
*walk* on toe stop, with about as much stability as ordinary shoes.  Can't
do that on brakes.  Climbing/descending stairs inside buildings is darned
clumsy on blades.  Personally, I have to lean on the handrail, even while
keeping my blades herring-boned.  And since there is nothing stopping you
from going forward, you tend to bump your toes (gently) on the stair in
front of you.  On quads with toestops, I just walk up/down the stairs
pretty much like normal.  On outside stairs, I could take them at speed by
running up the stairs on the stops, without breaking momentum.  (Down is
more dangerous here.  Unless I could jump down the flight in one jump, I
usually stopped and walked down them.  Sometimes I'd jump a slightly taller
set by landing on an intermediate step with a stop, but this was rare.  And
since each jump was shorter than normal, a more aggressive skater could
probably have taken the whole flight.)  But there are some flights too
narrow to traverse and too high to jump that I could take at speed, while a
blader would have to stop.

In urban situations where you want to emulate the mobility of a person with
shoes, toestops are wonderful.  I agree with you about the brake for
braking, though.  *Much* better than toe stops.  (BTW, the quads are in the
closet.  Blades are more fun!  But every once in a while, I miss the
toestops.)

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From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Keywords: xxx
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:24:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:

>I saw Paul Wylie perform in the Olympic champion tour several months ago.  He
>was definetly one of the best perfomers in the show.  After seeing how great
>he really is in that exhibition, I wonder why he never did better than second
>or third in an Olympics (he's been around awhile: I think he's almost 30).  I

Sandra already mentioned reasons that I agree with (especially the part
about him going to Harvard and not being able to spend full-time 
in practice) so I won't repeat them all.

I did want to take issue with the line "I wonder why he never did better
than second or third at the Olympics" because that's an attitude that
really bothers me. First, it's been established that he got the Silver.
No one ever expected him to medal at all, so his acomplishment is more
than anyone, even Paul himself, could have imagined. He should be
applauded, not asked why he didn't get the Gold. I've been a Paul Wylie
fan for years and I was jumping around in ecstacy I was so happy for
him. By asking why he didn't get the Gold, people are automatically
demeaning what he *did* do, and that's wrong, IMO.

We saw *far* too much of that in the Summer Olympics, and I had hoped 
that attitudes would change. Obviously not. 

Once competitors get to a certain level, say, the Top 10-15 in the world,
the expectations of other people can't have anything to do with how the
competitor finally makes out. If it does, walls can come crashing down.
I think we saw that with Browning and Ito, and even Bowman. Just *getting*
to the Olympics is hard enough (I think Bowman and Mark Mitchell would
agree) so any competitor who come in the Top 10 should be praised
enthusiastically, not burdened with a "why didn't you..." attitude.
They get enough of that from the press, and, in some cases, their family
and coaches. The fans shouldn't do it to them too.

My 2 cents...

Btw, I do agree that Paul has more style than Viktor Petrenko, but I'm
happy with the outcome. Paul is too, I'm sure.

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From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Originator: wex@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Keywords: Ice
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:27:33 GMT


My local (down the street a ways) Ice Rink had a benefit exhibition
this saturday put on by members of the club
[The Colonial Figure Skating Club, benefit dedicated to the memory of Mrs.
Saundra Weir who was very active in organizing many Figure Skating activities
(Test Chair/Percision hair, etc.]

There were three soloists who were worth specific comment; keep your eyes
on them
Jessica St. Jean (age 12 -- Westford MA) good jumps, very good spins, 
and knows what to do with her hands. May do well in Sr Ladies...

Molly Ziolkowski (age 10 -- Hudson NH) -- impressive for her age, also
quite poised...

Amy D'Entremont of Stoneham MA-- just a new Sr Lady as I remember, good
jumps terrific spins, ok footwork.

There were a couple of other club members who did a very nice Pairs
program, they jump incredibly well, but she seems a bit large for her partner,
and they didn't do any lifts.  (their throw double Axel was ok, though)
Their names were Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan, I think.  He seems to have just
graduated (cum laude) from Harvard, and she is from Stoneham MA.  (He's
originally from Denver, they said.)  Oh yes, they each did a solo thing
earlier, and they did some good stuff, but didn't seem to be trying very hard
(I mean they jumped and spun and all that, lots, but it looked so easy when
they did it that they couldn't have been trying much.)

On the other hand, they did seem to get a lot of applause, so keep an eye out
for them too, they may make it to the sectionals, or even further.


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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:48:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to blade in South Bay Area?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

Those who go to Shoreline should be aware of the concert schedule. It's
always better to go when it's quiet. For those who want to get a real
workout, here's the prescription for doing 'laps' at Shoreline. At the
end of the stretch that parallels Moffett Field, there's that series of
double gates. Skate down the incline (WHOA!), out through the cul-de-sac
and make a right on Shoreline Boulevard.
----------
Where exactly is this? Going up and down the hill near the bungi jumpers
is nice for my level (beginner+).

I've been wanting to try Stanford so I will give it a try soon also.

thanks
Kirk out
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