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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Being At Home (POT ROASTS)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:06:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
>Message-ID: <1992Dec21.190543.28453@tessi.com>
>
>Cory Harper Jacques <cj14+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>Hi! Happy Holidays!
>>
>>I'm back at home for two weeks during the holiday break and my
>>family's eatting habits are driving me crazy. They are splirging on
>>high fat stuff all of the time. (Not to mention that they are all
>>overweight) In some regards I look at them and say that the food isn't
>>worth it, but at other times it looks so good and easy to just pop a
>>few candys in!!!
>>
>>[Cory asked for advice on how to deal with his family's not-so-great
>>eating habits]
>>
>>Any Thoughts Welcome...
>>Cory
 
Allen wrote...
>Cory,
>...
>At the time, we were living in Boston and my parents still live in
>Ohio, where eating big meals and having lots of cookies, cake, pies and
>other high-calorie food around the house is considered healthy.  As a
>growing boy, my parents always made sure there was PLENTY of food in
>the house, especially because my father enjoys making cookies and pies.
>I always loved the home cooking, the pies (especially the mincemeat,
>apple and pumpkin) and the Christmas cookies, but I could've done
>without the pot roasts, the Prime Rib, etc., in terms of the fat and
             ^^^^^^^^^^
>cholesterol content.  But honestly, that type of diet is quite
>prevalent in the Midwest:  meat and potatoes with lots of sweet
>desserts.  And I don't for a minute fault my parents whatsoever.  They
>ALWAYS had food on the table, I grew up to be healthy and they ALWAYS
>had my best interests in mind.
 
This reminds me...  Ferrell and I brought home fresh venison a few
weeks back (no flames, please) and I tried something new.  We packaged
some roasts from the meat and I cooked a ~2lb roast in the crockpot
all day with chicken boullion, 2 large potatoes cut up, 1/2 of a very
large onion cut up, and 2 cups of water, plus spices and seasonings.
(I seasoned the roast and let it sit overnight first.)  It was
fantastic!  When we sat down at the table Ferrell asked if we needed
knives -- HA!  It practically fell apart!  The meat was excellent in
both texture and flavor.  We *loved* it.  And everybody knows that
venison is practically non-fat, right?  Very, very low.  So that's my
recommendation for those of you who may be skipping the roasts.
 
>...
>So, my advice to you, Cory, is to try talking to your parents about it.
>Additionally, just say no to the high-fat foods.  Cook your own meals
>if you need to, and don't try to change your parents or others.  Just
>as you would expect respect of your wishes, respect theirs.,
 
I agree with Allen.  Cory, tell your parents what you are doing and
ask for their support.  Good luck and happy holidays!
 
>allen
 
TAMARA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Being At Home
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:11:06 GMT


Allen!!!  That's an excellent story!   I can identify with what you
said about Ohio's eating habits.  My aunts and uncles are all from
Ohio.  They are, every last one of them, obese.  And now that they
are elderly they have the whole gamut of diet related ailments from
diabetes to heart problems and colon cancer.  They know how to cook 
the tastiest, fattiest, gooiest stuff in the universe.

Fortunately my folks emigrated to California long before I was
born and my mother was into healthy eating (or what passed for it back then)
even when I was a baby.  Even with that I still managed to grow
up fat.  (Would you believe she fed me raw liver when I was a 
baby???!!!).  But getting fat didn't happen until I left home and
could rebel against all that forced healthiness.

But I think your point is excellent.  Don't try to force
your new diet on someone else.  Patiently explain what you are
doing and why.  If you try to bludgeon someone to change they'll just
cling more tenaciously to their old ways.  Do by example.

I think the original poster should maybe just take charge of
her (hope I have the gender right) own environment and put the
goodies away if they forget.  She should make her own meals
and if she can, perhaps even buy her own food.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Yogurt cheese. Now what? (Cannoli)
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:28:11 EST

In article <19921218102907SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>>From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
>>Message-ID: <1992Dec18.142851.13507@chpc.utexas.edu>
>>
>>I found the recipe booklet that came with my Dannon Yogurt Cheese Maker,
>>and herewith are the recipes:
>>[stuff deleted for the sake of space]
>>
>>SWEET YOGURT CHEESE
>>
>>Use Dannon Vanilla or Lemon Yogurt to make a rich filling for desserts.
>>
>>Mix sweet yogurt cheese with diced, candied fruit and fill cannoli
>>shells
>>(????????).
> 
>Hey Jan (and everybody else who's wondering about this).
> 
>Cannolis are a kinda sweet shell -- sort of the texture of a sugar
>cone (ice-cream cone).  They come shaped like a tube.  The dessert,
>Cannoli, is the shell stuffed with a mixture of what seems to be
>ricotta, cream cheese, and dried fruits and nuts.  I haven't actually

I haven't made 'em in a long time, but I know there's no
cream cheese in traditional cannoli.  I think you mix heavy cream with
the ricotta.  The shells are fried, though, so this is not a dessert
that we even want to *think* about on this net!

Margot


--
--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:59:21 GMT
Subject: Re: HELLO!!!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

There's hope, I think.  My family runs pretty heavy (moderate overweight on
my Mother's side, tho she has been obese herself in the past), with
obesity and just plain fat on my Father's side.

My postings are all too frequent and long, but suffice it to say that I've
been able to maintain a 200 pound weight loss, now for over a year.  It
took a fast to get to 185 pounds (lost), and about 4 months later I dieted
off the final 15.

All it's taken has been a major lifestyle change (from couch potato to
heavy exerciser) and a dietary change from high-fat, high volume to
low fat, high volume (one thing did not change...).  I maintain weight
controll very tightly (some might say obsessively, but they're not in
my size 14s) to keep between 190 and 200 pounds.  Still love to eat, but
I'm at what seems to be an ideal weight for my 6'-2.5" heavy frame, and
my heart and the rest of the CV system is pretty healthy, now.

It can be done, but it's not easy.

Pete (grumbling from a 20mile bike ride in a rainstorm this morning) Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Subject: Stationary Bikes - was 2000 Calories Exercise
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:37:35 GMT

brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:

] HMR also recommends things like stationary bikes for light-weight
] exercisers.  They are weight independent.

One thing to watch out for in bicycling of any
kind.  Be sure to work as much at getting your
leg muscles strengthened as you do at just getting
the aerobic properties.

I damaged a glutial in 1987, and was unable to
ride my bike until 1990.  Even then, I was only
able to start with VERY short rides (15 minutes
and I HURT!).  At the end of 1990, I got hit by
a car, and stopped riding.  Due to having my dad
die of cancer, and other odds and ends, I wound
up not riding at all in 1991, and gained about
25 lbs.  At the beginning of this year I started
riding again - but since the glutial was healed
(for the most part), I wasn't forceably reminded
to work on my legs, and start out with short rides,
and to not SIT on the bike.  

So - due to extra pressure and all, I now have a
recurrance of a problem of blood blisters in the
labia area.  Ugh.

So - try to do short bits on the bicycle, and 
stand as much as possible.  You'll get better
exercise, strengthen your legs, and keep from
injuring yourself...

Diana
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:39:01 EST

In article <1992Dec31.155449.8045@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>I need to lose about 10 pounds.  Fifteen would be great. Anyway, I was
>wondering if anyone out there had had any luck with appetite suppressant 
>diet pills?  In the past I have never had anny trouble dropping a few pounds
>whenever I felt I nede to, but lately (since the birth of my child 15 mo. ago)
>I stay hungry.  I feel like it relates to the fact I had gestational diabetes
>the last three months I was pregnant and was put on a strict diet.
>I was required to eat certian predetermined amounts of food at predetermined 
>times according to metabolism or something like that.  Anyway after my daughter 
>was born I found myself hungry at these times of day and to this day, I get 
>hungry at 6:00, 9:00, 12:00, 3:00, 6:00 etc.etc.
>
>Would an appetite supressant, along with a sensible diet & exercise help, or am
>I gonna just have to tough it outtill my body gets back on schedule?
>
>0, 10:00 000000000000000 --oops
> Also, anyone have any suggestions for a really good exercise video?  The
>very thought of spending an hour a day with Jane Fonda makes me want to gag,
>there is bound to be somethiing better.
>
>Thanks in advance!


I wouldn't bother with the over-the-counter pills.  I tried them 
once or twice and all they did was make me cranky!  I have tried
prescription ones (brand name Fastin) and they help a little.  They
might be beneficial over a week or two period.  In the long run, though,
you're just gonna have to use good old fashioned discipline.  I'm convinced
that the best way to lose 10-15 lbs is by slowly changing your eating
habits.  I mean, when you get hungry what do you eat?  Sweets or
snack foods?  What about fruit or non-fat frozen yogurt?  I think that
substituting lower fat/calorie foods would help you lose that weight
but it might take a few months.

As for exercise I recommend reading Covert Bailey's Fit or Fat.  You'll
realize that for many aeorbic exercises you don't have to spend an hour
to get the benefits.  I used to do 12 mins stepping up and down on
2 big books!  It really helped.  Good luck!

Margot


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"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: frozen yogurt
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:19:12 EST


Season's Greetings!  Lately I've been getting frozen yogurt
at the mall at a Freshens (I'm not sure if that's spelled right!)
stand.  They have this *great* pumpkin pie flavored yogurt.  Its
so good that I don't miss the pie!  They also make a mean eggnog
flavored yogurt, too.  I don't have the stats in front of me but
I believe its all low-fat (some is no-fat).  The low-fat has 
something like 24-33 cals per ounce, don't know the fat.  Anyway,
I highly recommend it.

Margot

--
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"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:33:17 GMT
Subject: Re: I survived the holidays
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: eswisher@AFIT.AF.MIL (Elizabeth A. Swisher)
Subject: Re: the diet workshop
Summary: thanks
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:06:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.174157.17353@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> izaragoz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Isabel Zaragoza) writes:
>From: izaragoz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Isabel Zaragoza)
>Subject: the diet workshop
>Summary: thanks
>Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:41:57 GMT

>Thanks again for responding to my posting.

>IZ

IZ, You are welcome.  I wish success in the new year with TDW.  My 
girlfriend just received her goal pin this week.  She lost 3 lbs over
Christmas for a total of 28+ lbs.  I have gained 2 lbs over Christmas
but hope to get back on track again. I think having a good motivating
instructor and a fun class helps terribly!

E.
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:59:40 GMT
Subject: Re: 2000 Calories Exercise
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

HMR also recommends things like stationary bikes for light-weight
exercisers.  They are weight independent.

In theory, swimming is also weight independent, though this can
work several ways depending on how you swim.  Treading water is a
*lot* tougher if you lose a lot of weight (I used to bob like a cork. :-)
but OTOH, you get a  lot more streamlined if you are swimming laps.

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: sjryan@iastate.edu (S. J. Ryan)
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:21:24 GMT

I personally don't think appetite suppressants work.  What they are is
antihistamines, like you might take for a cold.  

As a dietitian, I would recommend that you continue to eat at the times
you specified in your message.  The trick is, don't eat a meal.  If you
normally have cereal, toast, juice and milk for breakfast, save the toast
and juice for your 9:00 a.m. feeding.  Break up your lunch into two
meals like that, and dinner, too, if you need to.  The problem
is not how often you eat, but what is eaten at those times.  Many people
find it helpful to eat five or six times each day.  

I hope this helps.  

Sandi


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: pgn64@cas.org (Gary Nicklas)
Subject: Re: Being At Home
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:01:40 GMT


From an earlier post:


                                        "...identify with what you
said about Ohio's eating habits.  My aunts and uncles are all from
Ohio.  They are, every last one of them, obese.  And now that they
are elderly they have the whole gamut of diet related ailments from..."

-----

So *that's* my problem --- I'm from Ohio.   :)

Seriously folks, there are people in Ohio who eat a healthy diet, exercise, and
are not obese.
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Workouts with bronchitis
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:19:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec19.170646.22900@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>In article <102622@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>Anyone out there done any aerobic workouts with this ailment?  I was just
>>getting back into them and now wonder if it's wise to continue.

>Aerobics with bronchitis seems like a real bad idea to me.

For the record, walking two blocks to catch the bus when one has
bronchitis is a bad idea.  Let's say I was a wee bit over-optomistic in the
earlier stages of this extremely irritating and unpleasant illness.  When
I breathe, I now sound like a pipe organ in need of repair.  Wanna hear me
do "Silver Bells"?

  

-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: MERRY WISHES
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:16:14 GMT
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hi!  I wanted to drop in and wish everyone on the net a wonderful
holiday season.  Also, I wanted to thank everyone out there for being so
supportive, helpful and inspiring.  I will need tons more when I return
in 93!  I'll bet you can't even guess what my New Year's resolution is! 
I will give you a hint--I won't be the only one making it!  Given my
resolution, I will continue to be an avid fan of this board.  Happiest
of holidays to all of you---and may you enjoy good health, good fortune,
good friends and lots and lots of what keeps you truly happy and at
peace!   Judi Mancuso   
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From: rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary from Montreal)
Subject: Re: Here come dem sweets!
Summary: tasty chocolate 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  chocolate
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:54:00 GMT

In article <1gujguINN2d7@gw.home.vix.com>, shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes...
>In a recent missive brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) tells us:
>*/ hpcc01:alt.support.diet / howard@cs.uiuc.edu /  8:14 am  Dec 16, 1992 /
>*	(discussion of who has the best chocolate)

something i don't understand.

how come mini reese's pieces from vermont taste so much better than reese's 
pieces bought in montreal?

frequent visitors to the mtl board of trade exhibits are reps from the 
champlain development corp'n (vermont / new york trade group)  their 
candies are PHENOMENAL!  and hard to find in mtl, i may add.  when we do 
find them, they are gooey and tasteless -- and labelled MADE IN CANADA.  

this is not to diss cdn candy-makers -- i love laura secord as much as the 
next chocoholic.  but why is candy from the same company so different in 
different countries?

"'But you just want toys and stuff.'
	'Yeah, but that's not even half enough!
	What I want means more than fun.'
'What's that?'
	'Love and peace for everyone!'"
	The Jackson Five, "Up on the Housetop"

Rosemary Warren         rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
(live and in person until the 23rd, returning Jan 4th for another performance)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: endora@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Ken McCamish)
Subject: Re: a question or two.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:14:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.133902.22842@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.155449.8045@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>>I need to lose about 10 pounds.  Fifteen would be great. Anyway, I was
>>wondering if anyone out there had had any luck with appetite suppressant 
>>diet pills?  In the past I have never had anny trouble dropping a few pounds
>>whenever I felt I nede to, but lately (since the birth of my child 15 mo. ago)
>>I stay hungry.  I feel like it relates to the fact I had gestational diabetes
>>the last three months I was pregnant and was put on a strict diet.
>>Would an appetite supressant, along with a sensible diet & exercise help, or am
>>I gonna just have to tough it outtill my body gets back on schedule?
>>
>
>I wouldn't bother with the over-the-counter pills.  I tried them 
>once or twice and all they did was make me cranky!  I have tried
>prescription ones (brand name Fastin) and they help a little.  They
>might be beneficial over a week or two period.  In the long run, though,
>you're just gonna have to use good old fashioned discipline.  I'm convinced

Tammy, I'm about to finish up my degree in pharmacy at Purdue, and I can
tell you that in your case, it would be a bad idea to try diet aids.  Fastin,
the prescription mentioned, and the OTC appetite suppressants are  
"counter-indicated" in diabetes.  I know that your diabetes has probaby
subsided now that your  daughter is here, but it would still not be a good
idea to take these drugs for a while.  (The OTC (Over The Counter) medications
contain phenylpropanolamine, which is also commonly used as a decongestant.
It is known to raise blood pressure, increase heart rate, and decrease
appetite (surprise!))  These effects and most especially the constriction
of blood vessels can be more dangerous in the presence of high blood sugar,
which may occur a few weeks after pregnancy-induced diabetes.  Oh well,
enough medical stuff.  COngratulations on your daughter.  I hope all
goes well with you.  I'm glad that you are asking questions -- the right
questions.  Good luck!

-Ken
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:56:05 GMT
Subject: Re: need FAQ
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

/ hpcc01:alt.support.diet / dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) /  8:57 am  Dec 17, 1992 /
>Could some kind soul please post a copy of the FAQ or

Marian, this group isn't organized that well just yet.  I've done some
postings, but if anybody is putting a FAQ toghther, I/we haven't seen
any evidence.

Do you have any specific items on low-fat diets?  My eating is pretty
low-fat, but Ii'm not sure what you are looking for.

Pete Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: endora@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Ken McCamish)
Subject: HELLO!!!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: USA
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:20:46 GMT

Thank God this newsgroup didn't turn out to be some fad diet fan club like
I was afraid it would be.  I need help.  I have gained about 25lbs. in the last
year.  I am a student at Purdue's School of Pharmacy, so I have a very good ideawhat roles diet and exercise play in weight-loss; I just have a hard time
putting them into practice.
     I am relieved to see so many intelligent postings dealing with exercise 
since diet alone causes the body to panic and gain more weight.  Anyway, I just
wanted to say "Hello" and let everyone know that I'm here at Purdue, beginning
to cut down on fats and switch to fruits and vegetables with the necessary 
carbohydrates and fiber.  I just wish someone would come up with a way to
reset the body's "fat thermostat."  Mine is way too high, thanks to heredity.
I don't want to be very thin, because my genes are against me.  I want to be
as thin as is healthy for me.  (I'm 5'5" and 210 lbs.)  Oh well.  See ya!

-Ken, the new muffin becomes a poster
From: steveh@okam.corp.sgi.com (Steve Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Feeling beaten...Could use some support.
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:17:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <8051@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, jeffp@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey
L Powell) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I need some encouragement....
|> ...
|> I'm only 48, active and was looking forward to the next few years.
|> Now I'm not sure of anything....

My Dad had a series of heart attacks at about that age, and just
celebrated his (their) golden wedding anniversary last week.  I know
that things have changed for him in the intervening 23 years, but if he
had gone around feeling like he was going to check out any moment (as he
felt at first), I'm sure that he wouldn't be around now.

Steve

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