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From: Daniel.Murphy@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: voice computers or wh
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:18:42 GMT
Reply-To: Daniel.Murphy@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA

Index Number: 20917

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Actually, since I know next to nothing about the Amiga computer, I
can't say anything about it's speech capabilities.  I know the
Mackintosh has a speech synthisizer in it as well, but from what I
can gather, these are mainely for games, and other less important
things.  Probably your manuscripts didn't sound so hot because the
synthisizer isn't designed to read text well.  It can probably
handle a sentence or two, but really, I don't know.  Most speech
synthisizers except for maybe Dectalk, don't sound quite like real
human speech.  If you are working on a computer, and youare trying
to get something done, you usually aren't too picky about the
quality, just as long as the pronounciation is reasonable.  You can
also make the system spell a word or words if necessary.

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From: Jim.Jones@f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Jones)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Phantom pain research
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:18:45 GMT
Reply-To: Jim.Jones@f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX

Index Number: 21095

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

>i don't understand where you are coming from in your condemnation
>of the SA article, that's all. [grin]

Chris,
      I don't understand where you are coming from in your support
of the SA article.
      When you entered your original message about the SA article, you
said it offered new research. I am sorry but to me, an amputee, it offers
nothing that I have not read before. As for research, the author did not
do any research, he only gave his opinions. Not once in the article does
he offer even a list, supporting sources. The only thing he offers to support
the findings of this article is other articles that he himself has written.
      My condemnation of the article is based on the fact that he offers
no support for his article. Anyone who holds a Ph.D. should be knowledgable
of research techniques. I doubt very seriously if this paper would be
acceptable in an undergraduate research class, certainly it would not
pass a graduate research class.
      I am not condeming Dr. Melzack, his article is interesting, but the
research is not there.
      As for my ideas on phantom pain: Every amputee that I know describes
his or her phantom pain differently. It would be most difficult to discuss
the effects, causes, and cures of phantom pain; even if you did case studies
on 10 or 12 amputees. To you and others it is  neurological and
psychological. To me and others it is environmental and physical.
      Because this echo ranks last in "stirring up Echo Wars", I will call
the truce. I have my opinions, you have yours, and Dr. Melzack has his.
Thanks for the interesting conversation.

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From: John.Sanfilippo@p0.f102.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (John Sanfilippo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: embosser sought
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: John.Sanfilippo@p0.f102.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/102.0 - The Event Horizon, Bay Ridge NY

Index Number: 20997

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Is there a braille embosser that can do interpoint and 80
collumn landscape?

... Does anyone REALLY read these stupid taglines?

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From: gt3006a@prism.gatech.edu (Christopher J. Whaley)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Accessibility of Professional Meetings
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:56:08 GMT
Reply-To: gt3006a@prism.gatech.edu (Christopher J. Whaley)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Index Number: 21009

I am a member of the local chapter of the Human Factors Society.
Our local chapter is hosting the annual meeting in Atlanta this
coming October.  At a recent meeting we discussed how we can make
our meeting a better experience for those with hearing, visual, mobility
or other impairments.

If anyone has had experiences with attending professional meetings that
were held in large hotels, I would love to hear how the meetings could
have been improved.  We will be providing people to sign, improved
audio, and any other features necessary to facilitate access to the
meeting.  We can't address what we don't know about...so let me know
if you have any suggestions by writing to the email address below or
posting to this newsgroup.

Thanks,

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From: Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: doggie conversation
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: Carla.Campbell@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 20959

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 BK> Thanks for letting me know a little more of the logic behind
 BK> the rule. I can and will be more likely to keep with the
 BK> guidelines if I can know a little more about why this needs to
 BK> be so.

Absolutely.  Almost all of us find it easier to do if we understand the
logic of what we're doing.

I've never figured out why more of that logic is not taught or explained
during training in a number of the schools-- perhaps all. I couldn't
decide if the students are thought to be smart enough to figure it out
on our own (sometimes true, but it's much tougher on people who're not
familiar with dogs when they arrive at the schools) or too stupid to
understand the guidelines if they're explained in detail, or if there
just plain isn't enough time to go into that kind of detail.  But it
would certainly help a lot of folks, I think-- you're not the only one!

Working with a dog guide is almost always a surprising, fascinating and
almost magical experience at times (and tsometimes it's a royal pain in
the rump-- count on it!) but it shouldn't have to be mysterious.

If there's anything in particular, by way of the 'guidelines' or things
you've heard about dog guides that you can't puzzle the logic out of,
just ask.  Your trainer at the dog school will probably be happy to tell
you.  If not-- or if you have to know before you go or don't think of
the question until after you're back-- I'm sure there'll be *someone* on
this echo with an explanation of what the reasoning might be.  Jus'
holler!

                                                 --Carla

... Read what I mean, not what I write!

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From: John.Linko@p0.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (John Linko)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Mainstreaming, BEA & ASL
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:47:48 GMT
Reply-To: John.Linko@p0.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26.0 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 21231

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

I think you need to realize that there are significant exceptions to
your general statements about whether or not ASL is used in the home,
how language is learned in the home, and the capabilities of teachers.

My wife (unfortunately, my only real frame of reference) was fitted for
a hearing aid at the age of two, when she was a member of the first
class of students at the Kansas University Nursery School for the Deaf.

Fortunately for her, she was the beneficiary of early diagnosis and
intervention, and was in the right place at the right time to
participate in a pilot program in oral education. While your general
statements in your final paragraph may apply to many, they most
certainly do not apply to all, and I wish you would try harder to make
that more evident in your posts. JL

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From: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Bauer)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: braille magazine shippin
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:291/7 - Union Station, Wichita KS

Index Number: 21177

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Has anyone heard anything about Popular Communication Magazine in
braille.    They were supposed to have the April issue out.  I called
Clovernook Thursday, left a message and my call was not returned.
Kinda interested in getting this mag.

Steve KC0HF

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From: Christopher.Baker@f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Phantom pain research
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:48:51 GMT
Reply-To: Christopher.Baker@f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:374/14 - Rights On!, Titusville FL

Index Number: 21214

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

> said it offered new research. I am sorry but to me, an amputee, it offers
> nothing that I have not read before. As for research, the

i'd not heard it before. no one i've ever asked has ever alluded to it before.

> on 10 or 12 amputees. To you and others it is  neurological and
> psychological. To me and others it is environmental and physical.

all are factors. i was merely asserting that the basis for all pain
is the brain since it is the interpreter and the source of
analysis. i was being literal. i don't discount the physical
factors but they are not the end of the story. [grin]

> the truce. I have my opinions, you have yours, and Dr. Melzack has his.
> Thanks for the interesting conversation.

okay.

TTFN.
Chris

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From: Miki.Mesiab@p32.f116.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Miki Mesiab)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Handicapped Equip 4 Sale
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:04:26 GMT
Reply-To: Miki.Mesiab@p32.f116.n138.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/116.32 - Group Medical BBS, Tacoma WA

Index Number: 20871

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

  For Sale Handicapped Equiptment

  1. E. & J. Electric Reclining Wheelchair
     w/Falcon Reclining Unit. 24 Volt System.
     2 Speed, Adjustable Arms & Legs.
     5 Years Old. In good shape. Includes Charger.
     Chair Sold New For $7,000.00
     Due to death in family, must sell.
     $1,200 obo.

  2. Invocare-Hydrolic Transfer Lift
     Model #9901. Weight Cap. 350lbs.
     Like New. Retail Price $925
     Must Sell. $450 obo.

  I am located in the High Desert (Victorville) area
  of Sothern Calif. You may either leave me a message
  here or on my BBS-Tumble Weed Gardens BBS at (619)241-8851
  or you may call me voice at (619)241-0999 anytime.

  Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1
  The Chatter Box,,,Hesperia, Ca...(619)948-6319 (CNET)

   CircuitNET 3.10: Node: 619000 Phone 619-948-6319
  The chatter Box Hesperia, Ca
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   MegaMail 2.10 #0:Chicken: An egg's way of producing more eggs.

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From: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Bauer)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: To tell, or not to tell...
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:30:04 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:291/7 - Union Station, Wichita KS

Index Number: 21161

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

My personal policy when meeting with someone for the first time is to
tell them that I am blind.  I usually do this after the appointment
i scheduled and some dialogue by telephone has occured.

I would not say anything about being blind until you have the
training scheduled.  Then let them know.

Also, I would think that a portion of your business would come
through referrals.  Then they would already probably know you were
blind.    If youlook good, do a good job and impress them, you are on
the way to success.

Steve

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From: Jim.Jones@f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Jones)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Phantom pain research
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: Jim.Jones@f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX

Index Number: 21215

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

> but they are not the end of the story. [grin]

Chris,
   I think you and I probably agree more than we might think we do. I truly
appreciate the conversation. Next time you see an interesting article, be
sure to let me know.
   You said in one of your messages that you have been an amputee for many
years. I lost my left leg, BK, almost 4 years ago. I don't think that my
phantom pains are as severe as many other amputees. The North Texas Amputee
Support Group, here in Dallas has truly helped me. We discuss phantom pain
in some of our meetings, and I know from just listening to others, the degree
of phantom pain, and the way an amputee handles the pain, is extremely varied.
   As you stated in an earlier message, we need more research. I would just
like to see research that involves those of us who truly know what its like
to experience phantom pain.

            Jim,

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> * Origin: Rights_On!-That's why I skate in circles!-Titusville_FL
> (1:374/14)

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From: John.Sanfilippo@p0.f102.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (John Sanfilippo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Exception dictionaries
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:27:53 GMT
Reply-To: John.Sanfilippo@p0.f102.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/102.0 - The Event Horizon, Bay Ridge NY

Index Number: 21150

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 EB> If your screen reader supports an exception dictionary (or if your
 EB> synthesizer has a utility to support one), how are you using it?

Hi eric, I use Soundingboard with Vocal Eyes and do use the
textfile speech.dic that is used with soundingboard.

 EB> how many words do you typically define?

Right now i have only 12 words and generally tollerate other
mispronunciations.

 Do you prefer to define
 EB> exceptions interactively, or to use a word processor to create a file
 EB> of exceptions?

 I love using a straight text editor to put the word on one line
 and the pronunciation spelling on another. But i'd sure like to
 be able to call up this same editor interactively thru some
 action in the review screen of the speech software. I'd also
 love to be able to set up the speech parms via a textfile and
 not have to necessarily depend on the speech program to drag me
 thru the process its way.

I'd like to be able to say stuff like this:

on keys caf7 speak line 14, columns 15-27

On the pressing of the key combination control alt f7, speak the
portion of the screen defined. This will evaporate the usual
limit of 10 windows and alow one to pick out what one wishes.

 What do you or don't you like about the way your
 EB> system works?  If you could specify the ideal exception dictionary
 EB> system, what would it be?

All i can think of now is the addition of wild cards so that i
could somehow insist that all versions of "tax": taxed, taxing
taxes, are pronounced properly, instead of having to enter each
individual word  variation and its misspelling. I'd also like to
be provided with a guide to sounds (Phonemes?) which would list,
for example   "the sound of i as in 'mike', us this symbol 'i':
or whatever would be necessary.

Hope i didn't wander too much.

... Ride The Wave!

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From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: ADA
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:03:55 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE

Index Number: 20870

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

 To: 34AEJ7D%CMUVM.BITNET@VM1.nodak.edu (Bill Gorman)

 BG> far, far too many  cases expected to "stay out of the way" in
 BG> return for some insignificant "special" status,e.g., parking near
 BG> the door, or whatever?

I think we ought to fight for every access that we can use.  I want
wheelchair bathrooms on jet airliners and I want to be able to fly
as a passenger on a prop plane.  I think that every workplace
should be readily accessible.

I think we as members of the disable community must also be
realistic in our demands.  I don't think we should be patrol
officers on a police force, but I think some of us could perform as
dispatchers and investigators.  I think we should have thr right to
pilot our own private plane, but don't think we should be airline
pilots.  I think we can be successful elementary school teachers,
but I think we need backup when supervising playground activities.

I think that all apartments constructed since the signing of the
ADA should have accessible features built in.  I believe that we
have a long way to go and that firm demanding of our rights to an
equal life is in order.  However, I don't approve of disruptive
demonstrations.

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From: Doug.Geoffray@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Geoffray)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: vocal-eyes with vert plus
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: Doug.Geoffray@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/8 - The Catwalk BBS, Davie FL

Index Number: 21151

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 TC> Does anyone know if Vocal-eyes works with the speech card for
 TC> the Vert plus? I'm asking because the Boston Public Library has
 TC> a system that contains Vert plus along with Vocal-eyes. I know
 TC> that Vocal-eyes works with the Prose speech board, but I don't
 TC> know if it works with Vert.

Tim,
  Vocal-Eyes will work with the Prose board and the ASP board.  If you are
  referring the to ASP board, the one using the SSI-263 speech chip, you
  can the the VEASP.COM driver supplied with Vocal-Eyes.  I am not aware
  of any other synthesizer besides these two from TSI.

Regards,
  Doug

... GW Micro -- Fort Wayne, IN -- (219) 483-3625

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From: Alan.Hess@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Alan Hess)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Birmingham Pain Clinic Visit #4
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: Alan.Hess@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:261/1000 - Nerve Center, Pikesville MD

Index Number: 20850

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

In a missive of <Mar 30 20:53> Arthur Saus (1:376/72.160)
writes to Alan Hess:
 AS>
 AS> No it's not "bullcaca"!!!!  The problem of addiction to narcotics in
 AS> people with chronic pain is very real.  The studies you are
 AS> referencing deal with ACUTE PAIN, not chronic pain; this is the basis

I am not disputing that narcotics are addictive.  However, several
physicians with which I have dealt have told me that it is better
to be addicted to a narcotic and be able to function than to not
take narcotics and suffer.  The studies they mentioned show that
chronic pain patients will only take enough medication to allow
them to function, since that is all they want.  It is absolute
foolishness to deny effective pain-control treatment to people just
because their condition isn't terminal, due to fear of addiction.
Any drug that the body develops a tolerance to can be called
addicitve, since the person must be weaned off and can't stop cold
turkey without withdrawal problems.  I just spent over a month
weaning off baclofen.  Would you deny baclofen to a person who
needs it, because tolerance develops?  Then why deny narcotics to
folks who need them?  Addictions can be handled just as any other
tolerance can be.  *adh*

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From: vlb@apple.com (Vicki Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Novels on tape
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:14:34 GMT
Reply-To: vlb@apple.com (Vicki Brown)
Organization: Apple Computer A/UX Engineering
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 21206

If you listen to books on tape, you may be interested in this.

My recent catalog from DAK (technical products for the home)
contains information on an XLP (Extra Long Playing) casette tape
player.  The player has two modes - regular and quarter speed.  In
quarter speed it will pay special casette tapes up to 12 hours
long.  DAK calls this a "Tale Spinner" because it is designed to
play specially recorded, unabridged novels on tape.

Apparently, most books on tape are abridged versions.  They're also
expensive.  I've seen rental costs of $7 - $9 each, purchase cost
is more.  These tapes are unabridged, much longer, and lower cost
per tape.

DAK is also selling the the tapes; they offer 12 collections of 5
novels each.  Mostly classics of different sorts: Science Fiction,
Sherlock Holmes, Adventure, children's Classics.  The tapes only
work with an XLP player.

I can't give a personal review (my order hasn't arrived yet), but
I've usually had good luck with DAK products.  Their write-ups tend
to be honest, and they have a 30-day satisfaction-guaranteed or
money-back policy.

The player retails for $56.00 including postage/handling.  The tape
sets are $34.00 each for a collection of 5 novels (including
postage).  DAK can be reached for information at 1-800-888-7808.

   Vicki Brown   A/UX Development Group		Apple Computer, Inc.
   Internet: vlb@apple.com			MS 35RJ, 20525 Mariani Ave.
   UUCP: {sun,amdahl,decwrl}!apple!vlb		Cupertino, CA  95014 USA
              Ooit'n Normaal Mens Ontmoet?  En..., Beviel't?
        (Have you ever met a normal person?  So..., did you like it?)
From: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:29:54 GMT
Reply-To: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA

Index Number: 21160

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

very interesting message carla and guess we're on the same
wavelength <grin

i just wanted to make a point to some of the new or perspective
guide dog users that self-teaching or dropping fundamentals is very
dangerous unless as you most accurately point out, you know the
reason behind why the particular command or procedure dosn't work
or is counter productive.  cause and effect must be most in mind
when deciding what to use and what not to use with these dogs.

i know drummer already gets bored with obedience and he's very good
at it, especially with stay & planned distractions so therefore,
because he's so good at it, i don't force him to go through
procedure every day but when theres something he's rough on, I work
more with him but using common sense, i don't work him to the point
that the workout becomes a tedious negative experience. i mainly
mention this to new folks and not to you.

the thing that's really disturbing is the faction of people who
would like to see blind consumers being able to train their own
dogs.  a couple of folks here in california, you probably have
heard of this couple, advocate this and man oh man, like to see
what kind of a dog guide they come out with!!!

anyway, now that we've solved all these worldly problems, i guess i
better take that drummer boy outside or he'll go to his union and
call a strike!!!  dan

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