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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 13:06:23 EST
Reply-To:     "Norman C. Saunders" <NYS@NIHCU.BITNET>
From:         "Norman C. Saunders" <NYS@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      F&WS Sells Out To NRA

Fish and Wildlife Service
For Release:  December 17, 1992


Patricia Fisher  202-208-5634


   U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service And The National Rifle Association
   Sign Memorandum Of Understanding To Promote Wildlife Conservation


     The interior  Department's U.S.  Fish and  Wildlife  Service  today
announced it  has joined  with the  National Rifle  Association (NRA) to
promote cooperation  in wildlife  conservation and  management  efforts.
Service Director  John Turner  and Wayne  LaPierre, NRA's Executive Vice
President, signed  a memorandum  of understanding  providing a framework
for the two organizations to plan and carry out projects and information
efforts  on  national  wildlife  refuges  and  for  other  Service  land
management activities.

     The signing  ceremony took  place in  the Service's Washington, DC,
headquarters.   "This  agreement  will  benefit  many  visitors  to  our
national wildlife refuges," said Turner.  "The Service and the NRA share
the goals  of enhancing  wildlife  habitat,  improving  access  for  the
physically  challenged,   and  ensuring   safe  and   enjoyable  hunting
experiences."

     The new  partnership affords  local NRA chapters across the country
the opportunity  to work  with nearby  Service national  wildlife refuge
personnel in  planning and  implementing mutually  beneficial  programs.
For example,  the NRA will soon be working with the Service to help make
hunting on  refuges accessible  to physically  challenged sportsmen  and
women.   In  addition,  the  Service  and  the  NRA  will  cooperate  on
information programs about wildlife.

  ====================================================================

This press  release has  been brought to you compliments of The Osprey's
Nest, a  computer bulletin  board for birders and other amateur natural-
ists in  the Washington,  DC area.   The Osprey's Nest may be reached 24
hours per day at 301-989-9036 and answers the phone at 300 to 9600 baud.

The Osprey's  Nest is not associated in any way with the U.S. Department
of the  Interior or  with the  U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.  Opinions
expressed in  these press  releases are  definitely not  those of Norman
Saunders, the  system operator of The Osprey's Nest.  This is by far the
most  appalling   look  yet  at  the  true  colors  of  our  self-styled
"conservation president."   I  am glad  he has  lost his  bird  for  re-
election and  hope that President Clinton will see fit to straighten out
the mess that has been made of the Fish and Wildlife Service.
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:37:01 EST
From:         Jeff Savit <JSAVIT@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: operator commands
              16 Dec 1992 14:24:28 MST from <A19592@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM>

Regarding an automated 'BACKUP' command, you could also have the secondary
console of the SFS filepool be a PROP machine, and have it do the BACKUP
as part of midnight processing, or in response to "log nn% full".  SFS will
start the backup process itself when it reaches the threshold limit, but I
like to do backups before then.  If your log disks are quite small, it's
possible that a process could exhaust the remaining log disk before the
backup process completes.
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:40:33 EST
From:         Thomas Kern <U8803KT@VM1.HQADMIN.DOE.GOV>
Organization: U.S. Dept. of Energy
Subject:      Re: PROFS or OV/VM & SFS

The most evident item that doesn't work for us is the EPQRUN EXEC that
brings up the ISPF menu front-end. This exec trys to make sure that the
user has enough A-disk space to run ISPF and it does not know how to
handle the QUERY DISK output for a subdirectory (ie no blocks used).
After that, the only problems I have found are at the threshold reached
boundary (like disk-full) and those I think need to be rewritten to
support a dual path (1 for real disk full, 2 for SFS threshold reached).

My feeling is that except for the EPQRUN EXEC, OfficeVision handles SFS
directories about as well as it handles minidisks: Fine until it fills
up and then each piece handles things in its own way.
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:44:00 EST
From:         Scott Brooks <SBROOKS@PSUHMC.BITNET>
Subject:      A bunch of Questions

After working with SFS for a few months now I have a number of questions which
I'd appreciate any help on.  So thanks in advance for any help on:

1.  When reading up on SFS it seemed that at a certain point response
    time will be much better for a directory controlled directory than
    for a file controlled directory.  So far we have worked with file
    control directories with small amounts of files but are now
    starting to look at setting up some new directories which would
    contain many more files (over 2000 large compiles for a start).
    Does any one out there know a what point response time would
    noticeably slow down for file control directories?  If it slows
    down on one directory would it also slow down on other directories
    as well?

2.  How does SFS search for a file in file control directories.
    Does it first look for the sub-directory and then tree
    down to the file?  If this is true, does making more sub-
    directories increase search speed?

3.  Are there any SFS Adminitration classes?

4.  When using the REVOKE command to revoke authority for a userid
    on a sub-directory, then any access that the SFS administrators
    have to that sub-directory gets broken (and they have to re-access
    before using).  Is there any way to prevent this from happening?

5.  I've seen the discussion on this but still wonder:  Is there any
    way to cause Xedit and COPYfile to look first at access rather
    than at authority?

6.  Is there a way to cause DIRList to use update locks rather than
    exclusive locks?

Scott


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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:13:13 EST
From:         Jeff Savit <JSAVIT@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: PROFS or OV/VM & SFS
              23 Dec 1992 16:40:33 EST from <U8803KT@VM1.HQADMIN.DOE.GOV>

I'll send our mods to OV code to the list server this week; these mods
provide enough support for SFS that is seems to (at least mostly) work.
The quota boundary issue Barry mentioned is outside our scope (since the
modules are OCO.  Pity), but we've changed EXECs as needed...
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:20:27 -0500
From:         "Barry Leiba,
              Watson Host Distributed Systems" <leiba@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      PROFS or OV/VM & SFS
              23 Dec 1992 20:19:58 +0100
              <9212231921.AA14870@leiba.watson.ibm.com>

Boundary conditions are the problem.  If you never get to your space
allocation limit, you'll probably be fine.  "Probably", because it's not
supported.  But the idea is that those products don't know how to handle
it when an FSWRITE succeeds and a subsequent FSCLOSE fails and causes a
rollback.

Barry Leiba
Watson Host Distributed Systems
leiba@watson.ibm.com
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:19:58 +0100
From:         "Martin J. Doyle (215) 752-2296" <MBDMD@ROHVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      PROFS or OV/VM & SFS

While neither PROFS or OV/VM are supported when an SFS directory is
used instead of a minidisk for their A-disk, someone recently posted
a comment that says it basically works with a little tweaking.  I
just moved all of my files from my 191 disk to my top level directory
and deleted my 191 disk.  I've tried a few thing in OV/VM and they all
seem to be working.

Does anyone have a list of the things that don't seem to work correctly
and what tweaking you had to do to get things to work correctly using
using an SFS directory instead of a minidisk for you A-disk under
OV/VM?

Martin J. Doyle
VM Systems Programming Contractor
Rohm and Haas Company
Philadelphia,  Pennsylvania
MBDMD@ROHVM1
(215) 592-6865 (Day)
(215) 752-2296 (Evening)
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 11:01:49 IST
From:         Hank Nussbacher <HANK@VM.BIU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: DOMAIN NAMES new tag

>Are the domain entries in DOMAIN NAMES that are pointed at
>SMTP@INTERBIT going to have the ":mformat.ND PU"  tag added?  (Sorry, is
>that what we finally decided on for the tag?  I can't remember.)

It all depends on what is contained in BITEARN NODES.  To summerize:

New tag in DOMAIN NAMES:

:mformat. - Automatically extracted from BITEARN NODES, serversN tag.
If the value is null, or PU, no mformat tag will be generated.  Any
other value, will cause an :mformat tag to be generated. The :mformat
tag will appear at the end of the :nick line, after the :served
tag, if one exists.

Examples:

:nick.JOINER.COM :mailer.MAILER@JOINER  BSMTP  3 :served.YES :mformat.ND
:nick..SE        :mailer.MAILER@SEARN   BSMTP  3  :mformat.ND PU

No manual updates will be accepted to the :mformat tag.  Users wishing
to update their :mformat tag, should update their :serversN tag
in BITEARN NODES.  DOMAIN NAMES will from now on be distributed
after BITEARN NODES is updated so as to collect the latest changes
to the :serversN tag.

>
>Should they?
>
>Mostly, just curious.  I don't think I care much one way or the other.
>Bill

Hank
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:08:19 -0500
From:         SOB@HARVNOC.BITNET
Subject:      RE: INTERBITs and NETDATA

Ok, lets see - here you have bitnet site HARVISR, you want this to be known
as harvisr.bitnet and not harvisr.harvard.edu - tell me again where this is
better.

It does not make any sense to name a computer using the transport network,
that is sort of like having phone company specific phone numbers.  The
whole point of the domain naming systems is to have a transport independent
naming procedure.

any site on bitnet which has a registered domain name should have all
accessable nodes at that site in their domain name tables.  If they must
use MX records for some sites since they can not be reached directly with
SMTP then so be it.  The idea of having some nodes addressed in a different
way just because they are serviced by a different network means that the
sender of the mail must then know your internal network structure - not a
good idea, even in the rare case where that structure is static.

any site on bitnet that does not have a registered domain name can register
a name through bitnet.  Nameservers at Berkeley and Harvard have MX records
for the domains so registered (and yes, we try and direct the traffic to
the "best" gateway)  Many sites have registered such domains, not all or
even enough, but many.  The registration does require some specific
functions for mail forwarding at the site but the functions are part of all
of the major BITNET software packages.  This same software can allow users
on bitnet connected nodes to use the DNS to address mail to other node, on
bitnet or on the Internet in a transparent way.

All sites that are bitnet-only connected should have registered domain
names but have not, mostly due to a lack of understaning on the part of the
site managers.  They don't know whay anyone "out there" would want to send
mail to their site, and they don't want to go to the bother of installing
the right software and getting their site registered.

in short, we have a naming structure (the DNS) to use anything else causes
confusion today and even more confusion tomorrow as the connectivity
changes.

Scott
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:27:00 GMT
From:         "Tansin A. Darcos & Company" <0005066432@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      RE: INTERBITs and NETDATA
Comments: To: Domains Discussion Group <DOMAIN-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Just one small question:  Is there plans to register the domain
"BITNET" or some derivitive that the Internet Assigned Number Agency
might approve of, i.e. like "BIT.NET" so that these addresses will
have {real} bitnet addresses?

Right now, for the messages I receive from listserv processors that
are not also Internet addresses, about 75% come from an address on
the order of "LIST-NAME%HOST.BITNET@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU" and about
25% come from "LIST-NAME%HOST.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU".

The fact is that there are more than enough gateways that handle
bitnet traffic (7 if I remember correctly) to allow bitnet addresses
to be accessible as "public" names, i.e. to have PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU
be MX'ed to PUCC.BITNET, or if IANA won't allow that, to something
like "PUCC.BIT.NET"  so that people don't have to *guess* how to
get something to a Bitnet address.

Anyone have any reason why BITNET addresses are still having to be
gatewayed instead of allowing them direct access?  Some places have
dual addresses anyway so it shouldn't be too much of a problem
(if having multiple "names" for a single address was a problem,
UUNET would never have gotten off the ground.  (UUNET.UU.NET has
several thousand users many having their own private domains.)

I for one would like to know as I think it is a major thorn in
the side of Bitnet.  Hosts on BITNET that do not have direct
internet access could simply do what is being done now: go through
CUNY or Princeton or any of the other gateways, but it would fix
one major problem about being reachable from the outside world.

Paul Robinson
0005066432@MCIMAIL.COM
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:05:57 EST
From:         Paul Jones <pjones@MENTO.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Out of town (January 1 - 14)

Please excuse this rather impersonal message. I will be out of the office
from January 1 - 14. Your mail will be saved and answered once I
return.

For help with SunSITE and/or WAIS sources contact:
Simon Spero <simon_spero@unc.edu>
Jonathan Magid <Jonathan_magid@unc.edu>

For questions regarding the laUNChpad, aka bbs, aka ebb:
Dykki Settle <Dykki_Settle@unc.edu>

For help with the first_last@unc.edu ids:
Sherry Graham <sherry_graham@unc.edu>

For help with DNS aka nameservers aka host registration contact:
Jim Gogan <jim_gogan@unc.edu>

For other pressing problems please contact:
Judd Knott <knott@unc.edu>

This version of the vacation program makes several attempts to see if our
message originated from a mailing list, if so it should not respond.
Further, I had sent NOMAIL or unsubscribed to all of the lists that I can
remember that I've ever subscribed to. If you subscribed to a list and get
this message I appologize. If you manage a list and get this message,
please consider making your list conform to some network standards for
lists.  No message will be sent if the initial ``From'' line includes the
string ``-REQUEST@'' or if a ``Precedence: bulk'' or ``Precedence: junk''
line is included in the header.

Thanks for your patience,
Paul Jones
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:40:42 CST
From:         Bill Harvey <HARVEY@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      INTERBITs and NETDATA

Are the domain entries in DOMAIN NAMES that are pointed at
SMTP@INTERBIT going to have the ":mformat.ND PU"  tag added?  (Sorry, is
that what we finally decided on for the tag?  I can't remember.)

Should they?

Mostly, just curious.  I don't think I care much one way or the other.
Bill
From: rrkst1+@pitt.edu (Ross R Klein)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.deaf-l
Subject: ASL software
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:07:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

A little while ago somebody posted a request for information
on ASL software.  I am interested in finding some too, DOS 
based...anyone have a suggestion on where to look?

Thanks,
Ross
 

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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:43:50 -0500
From:         "Mark J. Dessert" <11MDESSERT@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Holiday wishes!

Hello friends!
        My finals are compete and I am now packing to go home for
semester break.  (It is with mixed feelings; no one in my family
signs...**smile**)  Best wishes to you for the holidays and the coming
new year!  I will return at the end of January when the Spring semester
begins.
                                 Chaio`
                              Mark Dessert

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         With each passing day I learn the extent of my ignorance.

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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:55:00 EST
From:         David James <ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET>
Subject: Re: embellishment

From:
Joseph P. Riolo <riolo@COR4.PICA.ARMY.MIL>:
        Oh, really.  I have no idea that there are people out there
  waiting for my answer

to my question of what in Henry Kisor's book Joseph considered
embellished.

In fact, someone no longer on the list asked me to forward Joseph's
answer, if it came. Yes, Joseph, people await your answer....

Meanwhile,

      HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

--David James
ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET
DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET
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From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: Deaf and Gay Conference
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:58:18 GMT

                      Learn about being Deaf and Gay

"Deaf,Gay and Lesbian Conference," a weeklong series of activities sponsored by
the Deaprtment of Human Development, Department of Residence Life and the
Liberal Arts Support Department at the National Technical Institute for the
Deaf, one of eight colleges at the Rochester Institute of Technology will be
held January 11-16, 1993.

All presentations will be accessible to deaf and hearing audiences.

Philip Rubin, director of the Deaf Gay and Lesbian Center in San Francisco and
Mr. Deaf International Leather, will be a featured presentor.

Rubin will present, "Deaf and Gay Cultures...Supported or Oppressed?" from 7 to
9 p.m. Monday January 11 in RIT's College of Liberal Arts Building 6 Room A205,
and again from 7 to 9 p.m. on Tuesday January 12, in the Robert F. Panara
Theatre in the Lyndon Baines Johnson building at NTID.

"Gay and Lesbian Cultures: Personal Stories" a panel discussion, will be held
from 4 to 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday January 12 in the Panara Theatre at NTID.

"Why...Gay?" an NTID Deaf Culture Speaker Series presentation, will be held
from 4 to 5 p.m. on Wednesday January 13 in the Mark Ellingson Hall dormitory
first-floor lounge.

"Coming Out: Gay and Lesbian Empowerment" will be presented from 9 to 11 a.m.
on Thursday January 14 in the Skalny Room of RIT's Kilian J. and Caroline F.
Schmitt Interfaith Center.  Later the same day in the same room, Philip Rubin
will present, "Deaf Gay and Lesbians: Discrimination, Empowerment, and
Political Action" from noon to 2:00 p.m..

Rubin will also present "Sensitivity in the Workplace" from 2 to 4 p.m. on
Friday January 15 in the Lyndon Baines Johnson Building room 3635.

For more information, contact Sherlea Dony, (716) 475-6200 voice/text telephone,
electronic mail SADDHD@RITVAX.RIT.ISC.EDU, or by mail at Department of Human 
Development, National Technical Institute for the Deaf, Rochester Institute of 
Technology, One Lomb Memorial Drive, P.O. Box 9887, Rochester, New York   14623.

fakitv

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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:29:55 -0700
From:         TOM RIGGS <RIGGS_T@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Just checking out

Im just checking to see how it works
From: rrkst1+@pitt.edu (Ross R Klein)
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Subject: test
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:10:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


just a test to figure things out...
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Subject: RE: The deaf in communication
From: zevpeter@chen.bgu.ac.il (Bill Peter)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:39:23 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel
Originator: zevpeter@chen.bgu.ac.il


I suggest Thomas Alva Edison, who was both deaf and a reasonably active
engineer in his time.  Though he was wrong in championing DC power lines
over AC, his contributions are not insignificant.  Besides, deaf communication
without the invention of the light bulb would be more difficult (especially at night),
wouldn't you say?
--
Bill Peter
Physics Department
Ben-Gurion University, Beersheva, Israel.
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:20:36 +0200
From:         Omer Zak <XLACHA1@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Re: show on carl dupree's death
              23 Dec 1992 16:11:15 -0700 from <CONLEYJ@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>

The story of Carl Dupree's death is just AWFUL!!!
Shocking, terrible especially in view of location and circumstances.
I hope that the teacher was fired on the spot.  If not, she deserves
all the harassment the Deaf can give her.
I find it incredible that such an event can happen even after the Revolution
in Gallaudet.
                                            --- Omer
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:20:15 EST
From:         A249000 Mike Wilson <A249@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      christmas

hello everybody,
i hope you all have a very merry christmas and a happy new year. i've
missed the last couple of days worth of posts because the system auto-
matically unsubcribed me for the christmas break.  mike Wilson, nmu
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