HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:01:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

emcmanus@kaa.gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>before to the after.  Though I am much too pure and innocent ever to
>have slept with a man, I have definitely preferred not sleeping with
>an hairy man than with a smooth, other things being equal, which they
>never are.

While I can't say which I like more - a nice fuzz, or a natural 
smoothie (I *much* prefer nibbling, biting, and, well... uh, and...
well, you *know* 'and'... on a smoothie, but I prefer rolling around
with a fuzzie) - I *can* say that a FAKE smoothie is a really 
grating experience, if you know what I mean.  Stuble is *not* a
pleasant thing to go rolling tender body parts across, if you
know what I mean.  Uh-huh.  I *knew* you did.

Melmothra, ACC
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From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Civil War in Oregon
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:03:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncselxsi.1992Sep30.180337.7629
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131

In article <1992Sep29.191921.24661@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>I wasn't threatening anyone's employment, nor was I engaged
>>in any argument.  I was merely pointing out that other gay
>>employees at Apple believe that Melmon is atypical.  They
>>resent Melmon's occasional bringing up his employer in his
>>postings.
>
>This is a little different level of detail than appeared in
>your earlier posting, I believe.  There is also the
>possibility of error in how I read your earlier remarks,
>which to my ear suggested that Melmac's contractor status
>made him as it were a guest of Apple, presumably more
>vulnerable to sanctions than regular employees, should
>complaints from outside about "tarnishing Apple's image in
>the community" (your phrase) lead to action by Apple.

Yes, I was probably too terse in my original posting which led a number
of people to feel that I was advocating censorship.  That was not my
purpose, it was merely to rebuke Mr. Melmon's claim that his name does
not come up in conversations among motss readers here in the South
Bay.  The contractor status was mentioned by an Apple employee probably
to disassociate Mr. Melmon from the "regular" employees.  Sort of in
the vein of "he ain't one us."

Chuck
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:41619 ca.politics:8389
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Extent of Antigay Discrimination in CA Was (Re: UPI: Wilson signs gay e
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 23:27:47 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
> In article <9209282239.AA21552@client.its.rpi.edu>, buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
> > "Copyright 1992 by UPI.
> > Reposted with permission from the ClariNet Electronic Newspaper newsgroup
> > clari.news.group.gays.  For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or
> > phone 1-800-USE-NETS."
> > 
> > 	When Wilson vetoed AB101 last year, he argued that homosexuals were
> > already protected from job discrimination under a broad interpretation
> > of the state's labor code. Wilson ordered his labor commissioner,
> > Victoria Bradshaw, to accept discrimination complaints against
> > homosexuals several weeks later after a state appeal court upheld that
> > interpretation of the law.
> > 	Since then, 87 gays and lesbians have filed discrimination complaints
> > with Bradshaw's office. The parties have settled in 10 of the cases, and
> > 38 are under investigation, spokesman John Duncan said.
> > 	Four complaints by homosexuals were found valid, and 17 were
> > adjudicated in favor of the employer, Duncan said.
> 
> > vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
> 
> This certainly gives us an idea how many homophobic employers there
> are in California.
> 
> In one year, in a state with 30 million people, a total of 87 complaints
> have been filed -- based on the 4:17 win/loss ratio, we can assume
> that of the 56 complaints outstanding, there will be a total of 17
> cases of antigay discrimination in one whole year.
> 
> This tells me that the homosexual fascist lobby's delusions of how
> homophobes run all the companies, all the apartment buildings, etc.,
> is just delusion.

This tells me that the enormous burden such a law would impose on
honest businessman is just fantasy.

> This is really about suppressing free speech.

Yeah - ours.  Not yours.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor <> Long Beach, California
[] mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us <or> mikebat@qdeck.com
From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:31:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncselxsi.1992Oct6.173142.15700
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131

In article <1992Oct6.043305.28049@unlinfo.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>I fail to see where the posting was clearly *my* contention.  What was
>intended was mirroring the general attitude of many, especially those 
>addicted to the properly waxed look or current fashion.  *That* is the
>gay universe I have most often been exposed to in more locales than I 
>would care to enumerate.  However, your gorge apparently rises quickly 
>and you react in ad hominem vituperation, viz.:

This may be the "gay universe" to which you are exposed, but it
certainly is not the one that I have experienced.  David Preston's
observations are quite similar to what I have experienced while
travelling around the country.

So please tell us about the "more locales than [you] care to enumerate"
and for how many years.

David Preston wrote:
>>As far as geographic differences go: big cities have bear bars and
>>parties, girth & mirth clubs, etc. Smaller cities and towns tend
>>to have only a few gay bars, which tend to cater to people like you.

and colburn Eigen responded:
>Again, your foolish and untoward assumptions only further illuminate 
>your inability to read in other than your biases.  Not that I need 
>explain myself to a simpleton, but if I am in a bar more than twice a 
>year it is a miracle.

David Preston is factually correct as my own travels have born out.
When you say that you only visit bars twice a year indicates that you
have limited experience to comment on them.

>Repetition: at best, a hallmark of the unimaginative; at worst, the 
>casting of an atrophied brain.
>
>The question of a sig. file, as well as your opinion, is of little 
>import to me.  I would, however, urge you to follow your own advice in
>the question of a proper personal attribution; for you, I'd suggest "fool."

And speaking of "ad hominem vituperation", you certainly seem to do
your share.

Chuck
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From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: speculative fiction w/non straight folks
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:18:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <BLDRBLPS@cc.swarthmore.edu>, nparkhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Nao
Parkhurst) wrote:

[stuff deleted]

> _Ethan of Athos_

Written by Lois McMaster Bujold.


> Somebody mentioned Diane Duane's _So You Want to be a Wizard..._ young
> adult fantasy trilogy. I personally think that there is one gay couple in
> there -- the two male wizards who live together and are mentors for the
> three kids. It's never explicitly stated that they are more than roomies,
> but I"ve always liked to make the assumption.

I understand from someone who saw her speak at a science fiction convention
that this was intentional; they are lovers.

> Especially since she's
> written a fantasy series, two of whose main characters are gay, and one of
> whom is bi/lesbian (can't remember off the top of my head which.) The books
> whose titles I remember are _Door into Fire_ and (I *think*) _Door into
> Stone_.

Freelorn and Herewiss are the two male protagonists; the woman is Segnbora.
Everyone in these books is assumed to be bisexual. The books in the series
so far are:
_The Door Into Fire_
_The Door Into Shadow_
_The Door Into Sunset_ (in print in Britain; some U.S. bookstores will
                        special-order it. It's not due out in the U.S.
                        for about another 6 months, and will be in
                        hardback at that time.)
_The Door Into Starlight_ (forthcoming)

By the way, there's a thread about Diane Duane's books over on
rec.arts.sf.written going on even as we speak...

> Or Jane Yolen's _White Jenna_ books (I *like* these a lot).

Hmmm, I hadn't seen those mentioned in this context yet; I'll have to check
them out.


> Nao Parkhurst (the Bi-Naomi-al. I had to make that pun at LEAST once!  :)
> nparkhu1@cc.swarthmore.edu


TDO
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Harry Foster <foster@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: "Marines go to war over sexy AIDS ad"
Originator: foster@magnum.convex.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:09:04 GMT
Reply-To: foster@convex.COM (Harry Foster)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>
>Wouldn't decades of Marines getting their beefy shoulders tatooed
>with the emblem of the Corps and then going out and getting 
>photographed by Herb Ritts be the same thing?
>
Mmmmm yes! I'm having an orgasm just thinking about it.  Maybe that's
why they have the motto: "The Marines are looking for a few good men."  
Ohhhh . . . but aren't we all!  <Well okay Sue, some of us anyway>
-- 
Harry Foster                                        foster@convex.com 

    "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass!"
				-Republican Senator Barry Goldwater
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:35:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

To the original query:

   As far as c-punk goes... the only "cyberpunk" novel that I recall 
having had a non-straight type person in the foreground is *Hardwired*, by 
Walter Jon Williams, in a scene notable for its screamingly homophobic 
subtext.  It really begs for psychoanalysis.  William Gibson dots his 
landscape with all kinds of minor characters who have nonstandard sexual 
identities, if you look closely, which I think gives an additional 
credibility to his vision.  None of them are rendered any moral 
judgements, positive or negative, that I can recall-- unless maybe Marly, 
the #2 protagonist of *Count Zero*, was bi... hmm, gotta go back and look 
for textual evidence now :-)
   Outside of that, check out Samuel R. Delany and Joanna Russ in 
particular.  And hell, if what you're looking for isn't out there, *write* it.


   --Jesse.
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Phyllis Schaffly's son John . . . COMES OUT NATIONALLY!
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:25:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark) writes:

[how EVIL! <whine> <whine> REPUGNANT! <whine> IGNORANT! <whine>]

And then:

>	<Further stuff deleted because it was not only
>	whiny but homophobic.>

You piss, for far too many paragraphs, about how the government and
corporate America are out to get you, and then complain that *I* am
the one who is whining?

Is the rest of your body as flaccid as your mind?

Melmothra
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Faggots
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:35:35 GMT


In article
<1992Sep26.134425.12513@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W.  Smith) writes:

>Actually, I can't remember flaming Melon, or even alluding
>to him obliquely.

Gene *Spafford* was the reference (don't even ask; it was
*too* bizarre).

>If I were to do such I thing I suppose I could start with
>an infantile bit of word-play on his name or something.

Won't work: he *likes* that (much better than being ignored,
dontcha know).

>But these days I only do consensual flames for people who
>enjoy them.

If ever there was a sign how much Usenet has changed, that
would be a good one, eh, Gene?

>gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de

Just curious, but have you left Concordia and are in
Heidelberg for good, or what?

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Madonna bashing
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 00:23:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep29.142345.19757@osf.org> <66860@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Sep30.170910.29939@netcom.com>

Stephen Arrants writes:
>>Of course, I can be notably more forward from behind my keyboard
>>than in person....
>
>Now George -- That WAS you on the patio at the Lone Star after the
>Folsom Street Fair, wasn't it?  I mean, how much more forward
>can you get?!?!

Firstly, I'm disappointed that you didn't come over and say hi.
;-)

Secondly, that wasn't being forward.  All the people I was...
ahem... "involved" with were people I already knew, and had
been involved in similar activities with on earlier occasions.

There is a large difference between playing about with a friend
one has done so with before (even if this new instance is in as
public a place as the Lone Star's patio), and proposing a round
of BearBoinking to someone one has just met -- particularly in
the case we're talking about, where the person has a partner, and
there is no information available as to whether either or both
are available to outside parties.
 
() It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care
() who gets the credit.
()      -- Harry S. Truman
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 22:52:29 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct1.222124.15670@gordian.com> <BvIEyr.IHo@unix.amherst.edu>
  <1992Oct2.212321.4290@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer misses the point:
>There are some people who really get into this, and it's a hobby much
>like anything else.  It can be fun to see what's at the leading edge
>and participate in that with your own aesthetic.  I feel comfortable
>viewing that with amused detachment; it's not my interest, but why can't
>someone else enjoy it?  You don't have to be a dandy or a fashion plate
>to refuse to condemn it.

This isn't what BBC (and myself, for that matter) are condemning;
in fact, he specifically said he saw nothing wrong with this.

Try reading for content.
 
() Vanilla Ice is a few cubes short of a full tray.
()      -- Evan Leibovitch (evan@telly.on.ca)
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From: terryh@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Terry Heatlie - Sun U.K.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: Get Out The Vote
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:02:13 GMT
Reply-To: terry.heatlie@uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: virgil.uk.sun.com

In article <1992Sep25.151221.16235@panix.com>, ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
|> In article <66408@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
|> >> two candidates as we are led to believe.  (and anyone who was too
|> >> stupid to inhale...)
|> >
|> >Doesn't Clinton have asthma?  Inhaling would be kind of stupid, wouldn't
|> >it?
|> Then why hold the joint and put it to your lips and pretend?  Why sit in the
|> smoke filled room at all?
|> 

Anyway, isn't MJ smoke meant to be *good* for asthma - bronchiodilatory 
effect or some such...

|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> 		r l reid	ro@panix.com

UrbanLegends'R'Us,
Terry.
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: No on 9 rally, Portland, OR
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:37:17 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) wrote:
>ObMottsP^2: Our police commissioner made the front page of the NY Times
>today (so they said).

And the Miami Herald, too.  They also editorialized against 9.  As far
away as I am, this whole ordeal is causing me a lot of anxiety as well.

It occurred to me talking to friends that many wanted to help, but didn't
know how.  I gave them the addresses of the organizations which need money
in both Colorado and Oregon.  I'm also faxing the list to twn, Florida's
GLB newspaper.  This might be a good idea for people in other locales as
well.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WILSON SIGNS BILL: Calif. gets gay rights law
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:59:56 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Sep28.161557.29927@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM
(Rod Williams) writes:
>A famous gay bar,
>The Black Cat, had its liquor license suspended under some
>law that prohibited knowingly serving liquor to sexual
>perverts (or something like that).  The owner took the case
>to the CA Supreme Court and won, claiming that said perverts
>had a constitutional right of equal access to a cocktail (:-))

	The owner was Jose Sarria, who also has the distinction
	of being the first openly gay candidate for SF supervisor
	-- back in the late 60s or early 70s.  He is still
	among us.  I haven't met him, but several friends have,
	and all who have, say he's delightful.

	I had, however, forgotten about the Black Cat lawsuit.
	Thanks for reminding us.

	-R


--
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that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:06:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.172552.6899@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
     ric@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Graffiti 404-972-4999) writes:

>Has anyone read _Chrome_ by George Nader? "In the future, there will be
>one one taboo: to love a robot." Only the robots here are just genetically
>engineered humans. I was a bit disappointed. :)  Nah, it's a fun read, if
>a bit juvenile. Nice imagery and pacing.

>I'm still hunting for the gay equivalent of a rough-tough-shoot-em-up space
>warrior novel where the hero gets not the girl, but the guy!

   Well, I dunno about _novel_, but there's a (IMHO) _terrible_
collection of Gay erotic science fiction called "This Universe Of Men,"
by Greg Logan.  Predictably, it was published by FirstHand (gryn).
Eight short stories of predictable gay-male porn with a science-fiction
background, but some of them are cute.  One story, the setting of which
was stolen straight from watching _Outland_ while drunk, may as well
have featured construction workers.  Then again, the same was true of
Outland.

   Not unsurprisingly, it was stuff like this that made me write the
Journal Entries.  Which you can FTP at

      128.2.209.227:~/pub/stories/journal_entries

and which to date is the largest single body of erotica on the 'net.
That it's science-fiction, deals with gay/les/bi themes and sometimes
handles leather reasonably well is just cicing on the cake... :-)

         Elf !!!
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:16:51 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1451@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:

>Smaller cities and towns tend
>to have only a few gay bars, which tend to cater to people like you.

Your ire carries you a bit over the top, I think.

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From: nigelw@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Reclaiming the group - Part 1
Date: 24 Sep 92 10:32:35 GMT
Reply-To: nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <1992Sep23.180357.21912@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>
>(Case in point: where
>***ARE*** the Smurfs?  If soc.motss ever needed a bluing it
>sure is NOW!)

I can't remember too many times when I've agreed with what you said. But yes.
The whole message strikes a chord; I simply don't have the stamina to
keep up with soc.motss at the moment, and almost every time I venture
in I see things that make me too uncomfortable.

Perhaps I'd better go home and find the bobble hat and blue paint that
I keep in my bedroom....

Nigel.

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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:59:43 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 373cfec7afd7a02d794c3c3e25eb4a72

In article <43206@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>
>What is 'age' within the limited scope and confines of USENET?  Is age
>chronological (e.g. I am 22, 34, or 45 years-old) or is it something
>else?  How is it measured, or, more accurately, how is it reflected
>within the medium?
	:
>Usenet.age is useful only in so far as it allows us to use familiar labels
>in a meaningful fashion to the ongoing expression of ideas, thoughts,
>words and deeds.
>
>Is this a useful measurement?
>
>[of course, the usenet.young will like it and the usenet.old will hate
>it, but then, we already knew that, didn't we?]

	Interesting thought.  Not entirely unrelated to the concepts of
physiological time vs. apparent time when dealing with travels at
relativistic velocities.  Also akin (perhaps) the the "mental age" of
the Sanford-Binet IQ test?

	How does this relate to the number of years that the poster has
been posting to Usenet?

				Wolfe
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From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:04:15 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

For more a radical feminist point of view, but still an interesting book,
try Joanna Russ, "The Female Man".

Peggy