HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Fergie Bags
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:06:43 GMT
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center

In article <1992Sep1.205844.1329@wuecl.wustl.edu>, 
jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky) writes:
>
>	The reason I ask is that I had some beanbags that I thought were
>Fergie bags.  They had six square panels of thin fabric.  They were round
>and about 100g.  As they were wearing thin, I called Mr. Ferguson as his
>number was in Juggler's World.  He sent me (for a price) five replacements.
>The new bags looked absolutely nothing like the old ones.  They were huge with
>thick fabric and were very "squishy" (what else can you call it?).
>	Anyways I lost his number and would love to either return the new ones
>or replace them with the ones I was looking for.
>	Any suggestions?
>
>	---	Jon Krivitzky
>..


  A few years ago this was a question that interested me as well.  These 
are indeed two different prop-makers, yet they share the same last name.
I imagined a dynasty of bag manufacturers, passing on information about the 
arcane trade from generation to generation.  Perhaps there had been some 
schism between the Maryland Fergusons and Michael Ferguson of Michigan?  
But what bitter point of controversy could have lead to this break?  Filler 
material (crushed walnut or millet), weight (approximate or exact), 
material (thick or varied)?  
  Alas, when I asked Michael Ferguson about Helaman Ferguson, he said they 
were not related.  A bizarre but meaningless coincidence, I guess...

  Anyway, Michael Ferguson's address is:

	2335 Niles Ave.
	Saint Joseph, MI  49085

or you can call him at (616)983-1117.  Better yet, just show up at the 
Purdue jugglefest this weekend -- he will be there.  He has a wide 
variety of materials and colors out of which he makes bags.  
  I don't know Helaman Ferguson (though Allen Knutson praises his bags) so 
I don't feel comfortable posting his address and phone number.  I know he 
had a classified ad in Juggler's World (the Summer 1991 issue).  He's also 
in the IJA roster.


  Just to nail this down:  Michael Ferguson makes Fergie bags which are 
tightly packed six-panel bags (the type you originally had).  Helaman 
Ferguson makes loosely packed bags (the type you just got).  


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From: nextug@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Juggling with PIN's
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:55:21 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Juggling telephone numbers, juggling digits of pi (as opposed
to juggling pieces of pie, which would qualify as a very
different activity), where will it all end?
	I pulled my American Express card out of my wallet this
morning and have been attempting 3733 016133 22019 without
success. The Visa and the Mastercard weren't any better. Then
I had a sudden inspiration. My PIN number! With satisfaction
I acn now report to the net that I am able to juggle my PIN
number from my bank card in ss notation. It is (what the hell,
I might as well tell the world. Jugglers are an honest bunch)
0003.
	Christopher Majka
	nextug@ac.dal.ca
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From: andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger)
Subject: Cigar box tricks with balls
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 18:30:22 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

Anybody out there do cigar box type tricks with 3 balls?  What 
would these type of tricks be called?  For example, juggle 3
balls, throw 1 up in the middle and catch it between the other
2 you hold in your hands.  Then throw up the right 2 balls,
claw the middle one with your right hand, bring it under the
right ball and catch the right one in the middle.  Or throw
up all three, claw the two outside ones and recatch the middle
one.  I can think of many combinations, like catching them 
vertically instead of horizontally...

I have 3 1/2 inch stage balls and these tricks are pretty easy,
but I think they look neat are are fun to do.

I have never tried cigar boxes but I think cigar boxes would
be harder.  Any opions?

Andy Arhelger
andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Current Address of Cascade Books, please
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:50:04 GMT

I am anxious to send for the book "Beyond the Cascade" as I've seen many
references to it as a worthwhile purchase.  I have a 1991 copy of
JW that shows the address as  2916 Commercial Ave - Anacortes, Washington
while the latest 'vendors' file on moocow shows Box 19297 in
Seattle.  Since moocow didn't show a phone number I tried calling 
information for both cities but there is no listing.

I don't want to send to the wrong address and waste the time of possibly
having my order returned so does anyone know for certain what the
CURRENT correct address is?

Thanks.

Yrag Seubert
"Jack of all trades - Master of several (juggling not yet being one)"
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From: jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (John Eric Sanders)
Subject: Covington Cross Juggler
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:58:53 GMT

Jugglers get no respect.
When an actor messes up a line, they shoot the scene again.
When a juggler in the background drops, everyone in America can
see him reach for his torch on the ground.

-- 
 The Jester (John E. Sanders)       jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu       
 I have finally discovered the method to my madness.  Unfortunately,    
 there is more madness to my method than method to my madness.
From: tjones@moose.cs.indiana.edu (terry jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 4 6 1 2 6 1  2 4 1
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:41:27 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Aug27.151446.29043@umr.edu> ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens) writes:
>
>Hmmm...  Interesting!  I wonder what the probability is that any 9-digit 
> phone number is a valid siteswap?  Mine is 3143647536.  So let's test it.

There's no reason why you should break between each digit...
31436 47536
is a valid site swap, also (marginally easier?)
314 364 7536
is a nice 3 ball pattern, though hard to perform indoors.

All partitions into 3 numbers of your 9 digits will be valid site swaps.

So there's no need to feel bad Ed.
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From: mark@maxim.com (Mark Schiffner)
Subject: Juggling Capitol
Organization: MAXIM Technologies Inc., Vienna VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:35:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.161657.18222@umr.edu> Ed Carstens writes:
>
>I can't say that I have ever heard of a store that deals exclusively in  
>juggling equipment.  It does sound interesting though.  Could you give out the  
>address of Capitol Juggling or is that confidential info?
>
>-Ed Carstens
>Creator of JugglePro
>
>P.S.  Do you think they'd want a zillion copies of JP?  :-)

The address for "Juggling Capitol" is 
	The Pavilion at the Old Post Office
	1100 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
	Washington, D.C. 20004
	Tel/Fax: (202)789-1799

The proprietors are Neil Stammer and David Gripp.

I tried to Reply to only Ed, but the mail can not be distributed. 
Maybe people can add their address to their signature when
requesting info that might not be of interest to everyone (even
if this is not one of those cases?)

-- 
Mark Schiffner            | C code.
Maxim Technologies, Inc.  | C code run.
mark@maxim.com            | run code run.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 18:42:28 EDT
From: <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Combining balancing with juggling?

It's a slow news day, so here goes:

I've been trying to learn to juggle while balancing
a club on my chin and I haven't been having lot of success.
(Although, I must admit that I haven't put very many hours
into it, _yet_.) Does anyone out there have some helpful tips?

Here's what I've been doing so far: First, I balance the club.
Then I try to take one club and throw it in a single from hand
to hand. After warming up, I can get this frequently. Then,
I try "the jug", an exchange with two clubs. I can get this
infrequently (on a good day).

Once I get "the jug", (in theory) the natural progression
is, of couse, three club juggling. But, is there a better way
to break it down into learnable "chunks"?

Also, when doing this trick, should I look at the top of the
balanced club and juggle with my periferal vision (from
"seeing" only the top of the pattern as each club peaks)?
                    _OR_
Should I balance the club using my periferal vision (hard!)
and WATCH the top of the pattern?
          _OR_
Neither/both of the above?

Right now I can't balance the club on my chin using only my
periferal vision.  Does that mean I should practise
JUST the balance until it is second nature?  (This
gets very boring very fast.)

Someone suggested it might help to practise juggling
three clubs with my head tilted back looking at the
ceiling - then try to combine it with the balance.
Has anyone had success with this method?

I can juggle three clubs with my eyes closed and I
can balance a club on my chin with almost no _apparent_
effort. Why is this combination trick (with my eyes open)
sooo %#?!ing difficult?

Arrrg!

  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
  Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: chrisl@spider.wri.com (Chris LaReau)
Subject: Re: Combining balancing with juggling?
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:40:26 GMT

In <92239.184228NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>I've been trying to learn to juggle while balancing
>a club on my chin and I haven't been having lot of success.
>(Although, I must admit that I haven't put very many hours
>into it, _yet_.) Does anyone out there have some helpful tips?

...Stuff deleted...

It took me a few tens of hours over a couple-month span to get it solid.
Taking four clubs down into it took me a couple years to get solid, if you
care about the next trick after you can do the balance.

I would say that whoever told you to juggle while looking at the ceiling
was right on. This helps a lot. Also, when I do the trick I look right
through the top of the handle of the club, because looking at the top
of the club leaves very little of a 3 club cascade visible at the bottom
of your field of vision. Phil's point about keeping the balance whether
the juggling is going or not is very good too; keep the balace at all
costs even if you drop. You will learn to fix mistakes and keep the
balance this way, which you will not learn if you drop the balanced club.
Doing anything while keeping a balance will help: walking around, jumping
up and down, swinging clubs, shaking your head, kneeling down and getting
up, etc. You might also try working on juggling balls with a balance. It
is easier in some ways and harder in others.

Work on it hard for a bit. In my experience it is one of those tricks that
takes a bit of preliminary work that will seem very slow, then pretty soon
everything clicks and you can do it easily.

Good luck,

Chris

-----------------------
Chris LaReau  chrisl@wri.com  (working for, not speaking for) ...
Wolfram Research Inc. 100 Trade Centre Dr. Champaign IL 61820  (217) 398-0700
"Would it save you a lot of time if I just gave up and went mad now?" - A. Dent
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger)
Subject: JP 2.3
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:27:21 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

I tried a copy of JugglePro 2.3.  When I try to run it it says

Numeric Coprocessor required.

And quits.  Is this true or am I doing something wrong?  If it
is true I guess I won't be using JugglePro 2.3...

Andy Arhelger
andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: craig@cgl.citri.edu.au (Craig McNaughton)
Subject: Re: Cigar box tricks with balls
Organization: RMIT Advanced Computer Graphics Centre, CITRI, Melbourne
Date:  4 Sep 92 00:40:04 GMT

andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Arhelger) writes:

>Anybody out there do cigar box type tricks with 3 balls?  What 
>would these type of tricks be called?  For example, juggle 3
>balls, throw 1 up in the middle and catch it between the other
>2 you hold in your hands.  Then throw up the right 2 balls,
>claw the middle one with your right hand, bring it under the
>right ball and catch the right one in the middle.  Or throw
>up all three, claw the two outside ones and recatch the middle
>one.  I can think of many combinations, like catching them 
>vertically instead of horizontally...

>I have 3 1/2 inch stage balls and these tricks are pretty easy,
>but I think they look neat are are fun to do.

>I have never tried cigar boxes but I think cigar boxes would
>be harder.  Any opions?

>Andy Arhelger
>andya@rchland.vnet.ibm.com

I do a few cigar-box style tricks with balls.  I use large
(6" I think) dube balls and it looks OK (IMHO).  You can
do a lot of the standard tricks, taking the middle ball to one
end, taking an end ball to the other end, and can tumble all 
three really nicely to get back into a cascade.  

Cigar boxes are definately easier than balls though.  You
can be a long way off centre with a box and still get it to
stay together.  With balls, although setting them spinning is
no longer a problem, if you catch them off centre then the
whole thing falls apart...

I think it's got a lot more potential than I put it to
(Oh to get the time to practise.....)

Craig
--
Craig McNaughton                  | "Paradise is exactly like where you are
craig@godzilla.cgl.citri.edu.au   | right now, only much, much better."
Advanced Computer Graphics Centre | - Laurie Anderson
RMIT, Melbourne, Australia        | 
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: list of juggling books
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:34:09 GMT
Keywords: books, library children's books

In article <1992Sep2.193110.27252@serval.net.wsu.edu>, efrie@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu writes:.|> 	I promised a list of children's juggling books to th|> 	librarian at the local public library.   
|> 
|> 	I think list of books is something that ol' moocow
|> 	could use.  If someone already has a list maybe look
|> 	into getting it posted there, or if not, I'll make a
|> 	request for help to compile my own.  Either way it
|> 	would be nice to have it available.
|> 
|> 	It would be nicer if the list would eventially
|> 	contain a bit of a summary of what the book is
|> 	about.  

An impartial review of videos would be nice also.  I know many juggling
stores (Dube, Capitol, etc.) allow you to view the videos before purchase
but, if you're doing mail order you're on your own.  The reason I specified
"an impartial review" is that an ad for a video will ALWAYS say it's a
'great buy' and a 'must have' but, as we all know, merchandising and
truth do not always go hand-in-hand.

Yrag Seubert
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: 4 6 1 2 6 1 2 4 1 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:45:12 GMT

In <1992Aug26.105703.514@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> mathiega@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Grant A. Mathieson) writes:

>It is a bit like trying to remember a 9-digit phone number, until 
>the pattern sinks in. Interesting, but not spectacular.

So...how many people can do their phone number? :-)

-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
"Get the hell out of my way!" - John Galt
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: 4 6 1 2 6 1 2 4 1
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:11:35 GMT

In article <kleber.714959168@husc10>
kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden) writes:
 
>(ie, ignore the fact that 2nd digit is very probably 0 or 1, and 5th digit
>probably isn't...), then the ball thrown from place n in the pattern is
 
Not to pick at nits 'n lice, but every area code in the US has a 0 or 1
for the second digit.  That's how the antiquated switching equipment
knows whether it's a long-distance call or not...
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: clare@aero.org (Clare Waterson)
Subject: Re: 4 6 1 2 6 1 2 4 1
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:52:44 GMT

OK, with all this talk of phone numbers as site swaps, I checked my
phone numbers, and was disappointed.  So I wondered what other numbers
would work.  I tried 5 and 9-digit zip codes that I knew, but no luck.
Of course, the number for information, 4 1 1, is a site swap, but not
really exciting.  So, thinking back on my previous post about passing
digits of pi, I wondered about pi as a site swap.  The only combination
I got to work was 3 1 4 1 6, but that's not too bad.  It's an odd
three-ball pattern.  No, I can't do it.

Damn!  I wish I had some real juggling to discuss (I've almost got 4 4
1 down, which shows you my awesome skill level) instead of these
theoretical juggling games.

-- 
    -- Clare Waterson
       Master Lucubrator

                   ``Wake up and smell the Cat Food'' -- They Might Be Giants
From: rick@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Fredrick Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Tonga
Keywords: tui-tui
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:39:58 GMT

A co-worker of mine just got back from Tonga.  I asked him if he saw
any juggling.  He said no.  The two things he remembers most about
Tonga are pigs and cemetaries.



Rick Wilson              |     @@@    |  |     @@@    |  13 tui-tui
rick@sable.pen.tek.com   |    @   @   |  |    @   @   |  nut shower
Tektronix                |    @   @   |  |    @   @   |  in stereo
Beaverton, Oregon        |   @     @  |  |    @   @   |
                         |   @     @  |  |    @   @   |
                         |   @  13 @  |  |    @ 13@   |
From: rbyrnes@alsvid.une.edu.au (Rod Byrnes)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling Shops in Australia
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:54:40 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <BtH8tI.EF4@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, by watson@sgi (Brett Watson):
> Is anybody aware of any shops selling juggling equipment in 
> Australia?  

Not very many I'm afraid, but here is what I've found so far...

The Fair-Dinkum Magic Company
145 Riverside Ave, MS. 538
Barellan Point
QUEENSLAND, 4306
(07) 294 6780

They sell JuggleBug stuff: beanbags, devil stick, American or European
clubs, and a bit of other stuff.


There is also a person in Sydney who sells a bit of stuff. The number is
(02) 799 3340 and the address is somewhere in Ashfield. That's all I know.
They usually get regular orders of clubs from the U.S. I don't know what
else they sell.


If you want to try elsewhere, I'd recommend getting the Melbourne
yellow pages and let your fingers do the walking. You'll probably find
what you want under Entertainers' Equipment & Supplies. If there isn't
a dedicated juggling shop listed, check out the magic shops. Many of them 
sell juggling stuff.


Hope this is helpful.

Later,
	Rod.
-- 
Rod Byrnes  Internet:  rbyrnes@alsvid.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 891067
    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: BIGIDUZ@apollo.davidson.edu
Subject: Juggling shops
X-Envelope-To: juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:59 EDT
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu"

In writing a Juggler's World article about the opening of the Capitol Juggling
store in Washington, D.C., I'm not sure what to say about other strictly
juggling stores in the US and/or Canada. I know that there are several retail
juggling outlets in Europe, but are there other stores that sell only or mostly
juugling items on the West Coast of the Atlantic? I don't want to write that
the Juggling Capitol is the first or only juggling store here if that's not a
fact. If you know of other juggling emporia, please let me know. Return mail to
BIGIDUZ@APOLLO.DAVIDSON.EDU. Thanks!

Bill Giduz

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Re: Juggling with PIN's
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.125522.7298@ac.dal.ca> nextug@ac.dal.ca writes:
>	I pulled my American Express card out of my wallet this
>morning and have been attempting 3733 016133 22019 without
>success. The Visa and the Mastercard weren't any better. Then
>I had a sudden inspiration. My PIN number! With satisfaction
>	Christopher Majka
>	nextug@ac.dal.ca

	Would you please also post your Visa, MasterCard and PIN numbers
for those of us who would like to test them out for telephone orders,
etc.  Have you tried Expiry Dates yet?  Perhaps you could include those
too.

                                                      
Duane Starcher             *             a               a      
Memorial University        S           n                n  
St. John's, Newfoundland   T               d                 d
Canada                     E         a               a   
                           R           _  _a           _   _a
                           E           0 /             0  /  
(duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca)  O        C_/@           C_/ @ 
                           *           |               |
                                O    _/ \_        O  _/ \_


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From: pwilson@gandalf.ca (Paul Wilson(Toronto-Sales))
Subject: Wanted: Devil sticks in Toronto
Keywords: juggling, devil sticks
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:45:15 GMT

I am looking for some devil sticks, preferably local to Toronto.  Does
anyone know where to buy / who to contact?
--
Paul Wilson 416 698 3649
pwilson@gandalf.ca
From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: JP2.3 - Numeric Coprocessor Error
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:21:33 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University


Before I get bombarded with letters, let me say that I have recompiled the  
program being sure to have the compiler option, Emulator, on.  That way those  
who do not have a math-coprocessor or have one different from the one I have  
can use the program.  It should be up and ready shortly.. stay tuned.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling shops
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:16:57 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <01GO3B2ZKVSG0003DZ@apollo.davidson.edu> BIGIDUZ@apollo.davidson.edu  
writes:
> In writing a Juggler's World article about the opening of the Capitol  
Juggling
> store in Washington, D.C., I'm not sure what to say about other strictly
> juggling stores in the US and/or Canada. I know that there are several retail
> juggling outlets in Europe, but are there other stores that sell only or  
> Bill Giduz

I can't say that I have ever heard of a store that deals exclusively in  
juggling equipment.  It does sound interesting though.  Could you give out the  
address of Capitol Juggling or is that confidential info?

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro

P.S.  Do you think they'd want a zillion copies of JP?  :-)
From: jboyce@cco.caltech.edu (Jack K. Boyce)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Phone number site swaps
Summary: Phone number site swaps
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:57:18 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

I wrote a program to discover that the fraction of valid US phone
numbers which are site swaps is about:

   0.035 %    (if you include area code)
   0.65 %     (7 digits, no area code)

I was not doing digit groupings to get really high throws.
Alas, my own phone number is not included, nor is my zip code.
Oh well.

Jack
jboyce@tybalt.caltech.edu
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