From: kabadkar@CS.ColoState.EDU (ashwin kabadkar)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: James Hetfield injured
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:09:10 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Aug12.214923.25610@colorado.edu> rpb@starr.colorado.edu (Robert Baptist) writes:
>In article <Aug12.164557.40481@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kabadkar@CS.ColoState.EDU (ashwin kabadkar) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.113628.9602@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>
>>
>>>	Like I said, I don't defend the rioters, but I think I can understand
>>>their frustrated state of mind.  
>> 
>> Exactly. I never said that they were right in rioting, just that they cannot
>> be blamed.
>>
>
>Ashwin:  Way to take a stand buddy... You hide behind a  
>facade by saying "...I never said they were right in rioting..." and then
>turning around in the same breath in saying "...they cannot be blamed."
>
>    Well, if you don't think they were right in rioting, then I guess
>you think they were wrong to riot.  If you don't think they should be
>blamed for it, then who should?  Should their mothers be blamed for
>not raising them to be nicer human beings?  Should Axl Rose, rock star,
>be blamed for kicking out of a show because he didn't feel like
>going on for whatever reason?  That's a backwards ass way of thinking--
>if people can't take responsibility for what they do in reaction
>to events which occur around them, then who should?  Nobody held
>a gun to these people telling them to riot... I'm sure there are
>complex sociological, psychological and societal forces which caused these
>people to destroy and vandalize parts of Olympic stadium (or maybe not--
>maybe it's just "I'm pissed off and thus I'm now violent"), but that 
>does not absolve anyone who participated from blame.  
>
>  It's logic like this that leads to so many problems today.  Nobody
>wants to take responsibility for any of the shit that they create
>around themselves.  I guess it just feels better to blame someone else,
>eh Ashwin?
 
 Let me say this again, for I have a feeling that what I say may have been
 ambiguous. I do not believe that blaming someone is as simple as "if you are
 not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." I feel (and this is
 my opinion and you do not have to agree with it) that blaming someone for a
 situation like  this is very subjective.

 My saying that "I didn't say that they were right in rioting yet I cannot lay
 the blame on them", should have been said as "... I cannot lay the blame on
 them completely". I feel that the effect that Axl's behaviour had on the crowd
 was a bad one and so if they are at fault for rioting so is he, because the
 rioting was a direct effect of Axl's behaviour. 

 I do not disagree that one should take responsibilty for one's own actions.
 That is very right. But if you are going to be very mature about it, you
 should also acknowledge that the riot was not *only* the crowd's fault, but
 also Axl's because he (in a way) made it happen.

 Hope this clears things up. 


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