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From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: What do you do in first day school?
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:25:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

. finger painting
. acting
. reflecting on the week
. ???

If your meeting has some kind of first day curriculum
I'd love to hear about it...


-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX   end killing
From: ph@ganymede.galcit.caltech.edu (Paul Hardy)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: calif. jurors
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:55:57
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ganymede.galcit.caltech.edu


Does anyone know of laws pertaining to Friends serving jury duty in
Calfironia?  Private e-mail is fine, unless you think it would be of
general interest.

				--Paul
From: pnbalkans@igc.apc.org (Institute for Global Communications)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Balkans Peace Vigil London Dec 21
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:23:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1744600048:000:2396
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!pnbalkans    Dec 14 16:23:00 1992


From: Institute for Global Communications <pnbalkans>
Subject: Balkans Peace Vigil London Dec 21

/* Written  4:54 pm  Dec 14, 1992 by npc@gn.apc.org in igc:yugo.antiwar */
/* ---------- "Balkans Peace Vigil London Dec 21" ---------- */
                           Balkans Peace Vigil
 
          The Balkans Peace Vigil taking place between 2 & 8pm,
        on Dec 21st at St Martins in the Field has been organised
           by the Balkans Working Group of the National Peace
                                Council. 
                                    
          Most of us are appalled not only by TV images of the
       carnage but also by the prospect that 2.5 million innocent
                   Bosnians could starve this winter.
 
We call for:
 
    More humanitarian aid to save lives and halt
starvation.
 
    The establishment of UN protected safe havens where
war refugees can escape the horrors of war and find food
and shelter. These havens should be close by to allow
people to return home and rebuild their lives. Supporting
the right of refugees to return home is fundamental. To do
otherwise is to accept the insane logic of "ethnic cleansing" and
genocide.
 
    The British Government to allow refugees to enter
Britain. Europe is refusing to face up to the sheer scale of
the refugee crisis. Providing temporary respite in this
country is a practical and humanitarian step to ease the
suffering.
 
What you can do.
 
 
   Donate today to the Medicines for Bosnia Project.
 
   Buy a pair of Safe Haven Post Cards to lobby both the UN
and the Prime Minister. Public opinion does move politicians
and leaders.
 
   Across Europe organisations are working together to collect
signatures appealing for a pan European solution to this tragic
conflict. Ask us for the Lights for the People of Bosnia Letter.    
 
   You can send your own message to;
Together we can make a difference.
 
List of organisations participating in National Peace Council's  Balkans Working
Group.
National Peace Council, United Nations Association, Quaker Peace and Service, CND,
Conscience, European Dialogue, War Resisters International, Medical Action for
Global Security, Peace Pledge Union, Women's International League for Peace and
Freedom, Housmans, Balkans War Report, Humanitarian Appeal for the Victims of
the Yugoslav Civil War, PeaceBrigades International, Churches East-West Network.
From: warwick@oak.math.ucla.edu (Warwick Daw)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Use of peacekeeping forces
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:48:57 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

I am posting the following article for my wife. Replies sent to me will reach
her.

Warwick Daw
warwick@math.ucla.edu
_____________________________________________________________________________

I think Friends should grapple thoughtfully with the issue of peacekeeping
forces.  I was, without any hesitation, against any military action in
Grenada, Panama, Lebanon and Iraq.  Furthermore, in keeping with Friends'
testimony, I  would be happy if our armed forces ceased to exist tomorrow.

Nevertheless, I find myself supporting the use of our military for the
peacekeeping purposes in Somalia.  After much hard thought on the matter, I 
have found that it is a matter of policing, not warmaking, that has emerged 
in Somalia.  Yes, I believe that the U.S. was guilty of arming Somalia and
exploiting the country for its own strategic Cold War aims, and Friends 
must be vigilant in preventing all arms proliferation.  But Somalia is in 
virtual anarchy and is simply in need of a police force to stabilize
the situation so that relief work can be carried out.  Ultimately, the U.N.
should take over the operation.

I think that even Friends agree that police forces do serve a necessary
function, although police may be prone to abuse of power and overuse of
force.  In the Los Angeles riots, the biggest universal criticism was
that the LAPD disappeared at the moment the city was in crisis.  

Similarly, I wonder if Friends might see some value in international
peacekeeping forces to deal with crises that presently come up.  Surely,
we should work toward the day when we can eliminate arms altogether.  
But I believe we learned after Hurricane Andrew that currently the military
has impressive capacity to provide relief in an organized manner on fairly
short notice.  In the interest of providing needed relief aid, I don't
think it inappropriate to use the resources the army currently has.

The bottom line is, I think Friends should give careful consideration
to how we feel about peacekeeping forces.

Chris Nunez Daw
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
From: jax@well.sf.ca.us (Jack J. Woehr)
Subject: Re: Quietist meeting in Denver, CO
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:17:43 GMT

In <Bz9K8H.BwL.1@cs.cmu.edu> nickh+@cs.cmu.edu (Nick Haines) writes:

>We'll be in Denver this weekend, and I was wondering whether there's a
>queitist Meeting there. Anyone know?

	Boulder Meeting of Friends, 1825 Upland Ave., Boulder
	(303) 447-2168

	Mountain View Friends Meeting, 2280 S. Columbine, Denver
	(303) 777-3799
From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Re: Are troops effective care-givers
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:10:14 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1744600049@igc.apc.org> ebenami@igc.apc.org (Etan Ben-Ami)
writes:
>Dear Friends,
>    At the risk of seeming facetious (sp?) at this hour,
>wouldn't it just be cheaper and easier to bombard Somalia
>with MREs (Meals, Ready to Eat).  They're the little plastic
>food pouches that they give all the GIs.  Drop a ton of them
>over the countryside and let the troops feed themselves --
>at home.

One problem is that a severely-malnourished person isn't hardy enough
to stomach an MRE.  I don't know all the details, but my understanding
is that a starving person must be gradually reintroduced to a)
nourishment, and b) solid food.

>    I actually wonder what the logistics of a massive food
>drop would be.  Rice, cassava, etc. all in small enough
>packages so that gathering would be possible and theft
>ineffective.  Didn't we airlift food to Berlin for some
>months during the crisis there?  

One reason that this hasn't happened in Somalia was that there were no
convenient airports/bases to fly the drops from.  Now that the US
military has secured the Mogadishu airport, that may now be possible.
Doesn't mean it will happen, of course.

Once things have deteriorated to this state, sending in the military
seems the logical thing to most people.  Gen. Powell was in the media
recently, saying that the US must maintain military preparedness
because you never know when another Noriega or Saddam is going to
appear.  The danger is in assuming that such things are inevitable.
Panama, Iraq and Somalia were all the result, in one way or another,
of the US's foreign policy for years previous to the crises.  Now El
Salvador and Nicaragua have been without US ambassadors for nearly a
year, due to squabbling between Bush and the Senate. (So much for
supporting fledgling democracies.)  I fear that with Clinton
"focussing on the economy", US foreign policy is going to simply "stay
the course" set by Bush, if not worsen it (e.g., Palestinian fear of
Democratic favor toward Israel is threatening the mideast peace
negotiations).  We must challenge our leaders to pursue a foreign
policy that truly promotes peace, democracy, self-determination *and*
cooperation.  I believe we *can* prevent the next Saddam or the next
Somalia, if only we have the will.




-- 
Don't take life so serious ... it ain't *no how* permanent. -- Porkypine.
From: jsax@igc.apc.org (Joel Sax)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Clinton e-mail Address
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:16:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1744600056:000:1304
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jsax    Dec 19 18:16:00 1992


From: Joel Sax <jsax>
Subject: Clinton e-mail Address

>From @pucc.Princeton.EDU:QUAKER-P@UIUCVMD.BITNET Tue Dec 15 10:38:45 1992
From: Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      correction on Clinton e-mail address
To: Multiple recipients of list QUAKER-P <QUAKER-P@UIUCVMD.BITNET>

>From the Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 6, No. 0416. Tuesday, 15 Dec
1992.:

(1) --------------------------------------------------------------------
Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 92 09:04:23 EST
From:         "John M. Unsworth" <JMUEG@NCSUVM>
Subject:      Erroneous Clinton Address

I apologize to all who tried to mail Jack Gill at the address I gave in
my last posting: I believe the following message indicates the correct
address for Mr. Gill and the Clinton/Gore transition team.

John Unsworth
------------------------------------------------------------

Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:58:18 EST
From:         Anthea Tillyer <ABTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Erroneous 'Clinton address' -- help prevent spread

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The correct address for Clinton/Gore is:75300.3115@compuserve.com

Anthea Tillyer
City University of New York
ABTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
ABTHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Quaker Religion
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:01:42 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21
From: martin@mala.bc.ca (NAME)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Re: k-12 study groups
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:02:20 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

> I am looking into something to do with Young Friends (12+) for First Day School
> via a k-12 newsgroup or study group or simulation.  I have vaguely heard about
> these things in PC newsmags.  They include things like an Arab-Israeli 
> problem-solving game and other global village-oriented scenarios.
> 
> Can anyone direct me to anywhere on the net where this kind of thing is
> happenning?  Or maybe to the right place to ask the question?
> 
> Thanks
> Mike Stallings
> stalling@u.washington.edu

hi Mike

our meeting is just starting to address this issue of programming
for children.  I'd appreciate a copy of any information that you find.

Thanks
Helen Martin
(Martin@mala.bc.ca)
From: lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: funeral for Tim Bunch
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:54:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1744600054:000:1298
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Dec 19 17:54:00 1992


From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax>
Subject: funeral for Tim Bunch

Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:48:46 EST
From: "Howard Fullerton (Bureau of Labor Statistics)" <HNF@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Funeral and Burial of Tim Bunch

Baltimore Yearly Meeting has received a further request for Tim
Bunch from Tim Lietzke, Clerk of Quaker Lake Prep Meeting,
Charlottsvile, Va MM.

Tim Bunch is to be buried back home in Indiana.  I am not sure if
it is to be in Madison (the town) or Madison (the county).  A way
to move the body there has been found, but money for the funeral,
burial is not.  Baltimore Yearly Meeting is checking its Prison
Ministry and Social Concerns Committees to see if they have or
can find funds.  Prison Ministry has a total budget of $200,
Social Concerns of $350; the cost of the burial is estimated to
be between $1,000 and $2,000.

You can see where this is leading.  If you or your meeting would
like to make a contribution, send an earmarked check "Tim Bunch" to
Baltimore Yearly Meeting, 17100 Quaker Lane, Sandy Spring, MD 20860.
If you have further questions about the burial contact:
Tim Lietzke, 804.223.4160 .
Frank Massey, BYM, 800.962.4766

I do not know when the funeral is; if you want to attend, please
check with Tim L.

Howard Fullerton
Baltimore Yearly Meeting
From: jamal@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jamal Hannah)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Re: Are troops effective care-givers
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:56:27 GMT
Organization: MIT
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <18393@borg.cs.unc.edu> wagner@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner) writes:
>I think that Quakers serve best when they serve Truth first.  I
>am as suspicious of simple "it's all the US's fault" explanations
>for evil in the world as I am of Reagan's "evil empire" explanations
>for evil in the world.
>
>Mike
>

If you're going to ask for the Truth, you should speak the Truth yourself.
You state in your message, in quotes: "it's all the US's fault", as if
the Quakers say this.  You also suggest that they are calling the US
'evil'.. that's pretty much misquoting them altogether.  Blowing what people
say out of proportion, as well as making wide generalizations about what
they say is a pretty sleazy propaganda tactic.  A good example is
all the comments abotu how the "PC" people will alter all of our speach,
and then a set of made-up, ridiculous PC (Politically Correct) terms
are stated, as if they were actualy used.  (overwieght people are
"gravitationaly challenged", and so on.  It's an outright lie, since
the term never existed... why stoop to such levels?

No one is calling the US "evil"... but in this spacific situation there
is proof that injustice was perpetuated, and the US didnt do much of
anything to help (until now, though I dont think this makes past actions
OK.)

I also think many people Liberals disagree about your personal opinions
about what form of government Africans are/were more happy with.  Assuming
the system we have in America should be for everyone is rather naive.

-JH
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Salam/Christmas and Easter festivals
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:22:13 GMT
Organization: Carleton University
Reply-To: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

   It was a good informative article but ...

In <1frd28INNcgc@life.ai.mit.edu>, Dr. Habib Siddiqui (RBNXHS@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com) wrote:

" When Christianity was accepted as a state religion the Roman Senate voted
" to compromise with Emperor Constantine the great by redesignating the
" holiday to commemorate Christ's birthday. In Luke 2:8, it clearly shows
" that Jesus was possibly born during the summer, between April to October
" 15 when the shepherds would take their flocks in the open and keep watch
" over them by night. Jesus could not have been born during winter, not
" even on January 6, as believed by the Coptic christians in Egypt. The
" Qur'anic story about the birth of Jesus does also say that it was not
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
" during Winter, but possibly during the summer, when the dates are ripen,
" that Jesus was born.

"  H. Siddiqui.

   The story of the birth of Jesus (MPBUMAH) is a miracle in itself; the
presence of ripe dates can not hold water here because it could be another
miracle. Recall from 3:137 or 138 (I do not remember) that Mary (MPBUMAH)
used to have fruits regardless of their seasons.

**
From: khushro@niagara.eecs.umich.edu (Khushro Shahookar)
Subject: Re: Koran ftp site
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:50:24 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

OK, Let's do it again. This wouldn't happen if sri had a faq.
One site is  slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com in directory /pub/doc. This is
a plain text file in tar.Z format. There may also be PC -compatible
packages available,
I am not sure. You can find out by asking archie. In particular use the
commands
set search sub
prog quran
prog koran

The last time I posted this, a muslim brother warned me that these
translations on the net may not be authentic. I told him that the
Muslims can check them out and ask the ftp archive administrators to
remove the unauthentic ones / or supply authentic ones instead. But I
don't know what progress was made in that respect.
--------
2. The "archie" database

   "Archie" is a database of anonymous ftp sites and their contents.
   The software for it was written by the "Archie Group" at McGill
   University in Montreal, Canada, and they maintain the database as
   well.

   "Archie" keeps track of the entire contents of a very large number
   of anonymous ftp sites, and allows you to search for files on those
   sites using various different kinds of filename searches.  Archie
   also has a software description database (with contents similar to
   the output of the "whatis" command under Unix), on which you can do
   keyword searches.

   If you have Internet access, then you access archie by telnet'ing
   to the host quiche.cs.mcgill.ca (132.206.2.3 or 132.206.51.1) and
   logging in as "archie" with no password.  Type "help" at that point
   for more information.

   If you do not have Internet access, then send a mail message to
   archie@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca with "help" in the body of the message
   to find out how to access archie via mail.  Note that the mail
   interface to archie does not currently provide all of the
   functionality that the interactive interface provides; for example,
   the software description database is not accessible through the
   mail interface.

--
Copyright KHUSHRO SHAHOOKAR,   $0.02
khushro@eecs.umich.edu   Univ. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
From: Azleena Salleh <as5h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: IIS
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:33:08 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Reply-To: Azleena Salleh <as5h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

assalamualaikum,

I was wondering if any brother or sister out there has any information
about the Islamic Information Service in California that produces
television talk shows and documentaries?  I would be very grateful if
anyone could give me its address or phone number.  Thank you in advance.

wassalam,
-azleena
aurora@cmu.edu
From: Azleena Salleh <as5h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Questions about Quran
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:54:07 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Reply-To: Azleena Salleh <as5h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

On 14-Dec-92 in Questions about Quran        
user Khushro Shahookar@niagar writes:
>Then I ask where is this other "Taurat" and "Injeel" narated by Gabriel,
>which the Quran says is supposed to be "with us"? In fact, Islam quotes the
>prophesies for Muhammad in the Taurat and Injeel as proof for itself. How
>can we recognize the validity of this proof if the real Taurat and Injeel
>are lost, and no one even knows what they said?

hi there,

I would advise you to look for books on the original texts.  It's really
a long long historical issue, and very complex.  My favorite?  Appendix
II and III in Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation of the Quran.  Even in
his condensed overview, the story of the texts is very complicated. 
What I like about it though is how he substantiates everything he says
with sources, many from non-Muslim historians and scholars.  

-azleena
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Pointer: Somalia News Update, No 40
Date: 6 Dec 92 10:07:00 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Reply-To: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
NNTP-Posting-Host: wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

The latest issue of Somalia News Update (No 40) is posted in groups
soc.culture.african, alt.activism, misc.activism.progressive. Unfortunately
the moderator of this newsgroup does see it fit to censor news about SOmalia.
He may not know that SOmalia is a muslim country, too!


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From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Save Bosnian Orphans
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:58:31 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
NNTP-Posting-Host: wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Contact:

 in USA

 Murat  Kadioglu
 SMC BOX:317,
 Winooski Park,
 Colchester,
 VERMONT 05439,
 Tel: 802-655 6518
 e-mail: A_Kadioglu@smcvax.bitnet

 in UK

 Mustafa Ozbayrak
 8 Angus Drive
 Loughborough,
 LEICS., LE11 OWH
 Tel: 0509-263171 Ext. 4247 / 4248 (day time)
 e-mail: M.Ozbayrak@lut.ac.uk
             _


Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: jhardono@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (JJ....)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Hadith (Part 1)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:04:10 GMT
Organization: Indiana University
NNTP-Posting-Host: wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

	Narrated by 'Auf ibn Malik (r.a.):
	I went to the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace)
during the Ghazwa of TAbuk while he was sitting in a leather tent. He
said "Count six signs that indicate the approch of the Hour:
1) My death
2) The conquest of Jerusalem;
3)A plague that afflict you (and kill you in great numbers) as the
plague that afflicts sheep; 
4)The increase of wealth to such an extent that even if one is given
one-hundred Dinars, he will not be satisfied;
5)Then an affliction which no Arab house will escape;
6)And then a truce between you and bani Al-Asfar (i.e. Byzantine)
who will betray you and attack you under eighty flags. Under each flag
will be twelve thousand soldiers."


	Reference: Bukhari

Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam