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From: v128fm4v@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott W Parks)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Painted Aluminum Boat Cleaners??
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxtII5.69y
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Anyone have a good non-abrasive cleaner for my Alumacraft boat bottom???

Scott Parks
Grand Island, NY
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: andy@hendrix.ece.uiuc.edu (Andy Bereson)
Subject: Re: A social problem
Reply-To: bereson@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:49:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.234953.15068@pony.Ingres.COM>, www@Ingres.COM (Bill White) writes:
|> In article <BxzK4u.41y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bereson@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
|> >In article <2670163@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:
|> >|> In rec.boats, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|>     Any suggestions? Any ideas *why* these people cannot imagine a healthy woman
|> >|>     in her 30's rowing a boat?
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> If you make an issue of it by making some smart answer that is
|> >|> intended to teach them a lesson, you will not have achieved nothing,
|> >|> you will have achieved a negative affect.  If they are leather necks,
|> >|> nothing you say will make them change their minds; if they are not,
|> >|> you will spoil their day and they will wonder why.
|> >|> 
|> >
|> >This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is a
|> >fine example of the sexist attitudes that the original post was trying
|> >to do his share to eliminate.  It is the same attitude that leads to
|> >debacles such as the hill-thomas affair.  
|> >
|> [rest of tirade deleted]
|> >--
|> >Andy Bereson           bereson@cs.uiuc.edu          (217)244-3617
|> >
|> 
|> Andy, I think you're way off base here.  This poster wasn't suggesting it's
|> ok to make sexist remarks, s/he was just pointing out that a dumb remark
|> made innocently and with the intent to simply be friendly shouldn't be 
|> treated in the same way as one made with malice.  Read the last paragraph
|> again.  You don't change behavior by being vicious toward people who are
|> just trying to be friendly.  Punishment isn't the only way to teach.
|> 
|> --Bill

An offensive comment is offensive whether it is intended as friendly or
not.  If the reply one makes to an offensive/friendly comment spoils
the other person's day and makes them wonder why (as suggested above)
then it does not accomplish nothing, as suggested above.  

The sort of sexism I refer to above is the sort of sexism by default.
The poster I was responding to suggested ignoring the problem.  It is
ignoring the problem which will, at best, accomplish nothing.


-- 
Andy Bereson           bereson@cs.uiuc.edu          (217)244-3617

  "Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions have a pathetic
but praiseworthy tendency to die before reproducing their kind" -Quine
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:46:39 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
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In article <1992Nov16.085627.17074@alcatel.no> Lars Vatne,
vatne@alcatel.no writes:
>As a passing reference, I recently saw a TV program about the
Carribean where
>grog was said to be the acronym for 'Good Rum Of Grenada'. Anybody
know if
>this is true? I.e. when did the Royal Navy start to use the term
'grog'?
>Sir Francis Drake was sailing around the Carribean around 1550 - 1575
>(If I remember correctly) - did Grenada have its present name then? Is
>the word 'grog older than this?

I vaguely remember that the drink was named after a particularly
penny-pinching skipper who insisted on watering his men's rum.  Name
was probably "Groggins" or something.  I can check with my
square-rigger friends if people are really interested. (One or more of
them will at least be able to make convincing case that he "knows.")
___________________________________
William E. Williams, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Divison of Natural Sciences and Mathematics
St. Mary's College of Maryland
St. Mary's City, MD 20686
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Looking for name to go with sailboat...
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:27:24 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Nov13.162026.24484@progress.com> gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
>nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall) writes:
>>    I am looking for a boat with the following attributes:
>
>>	(1)  Anywhere from 20 to 25 foot, although this is ballpark.
>>	(2)  A variable keel (probably a centerboard, but there may be
>>         other options - I dunno)
>>	(3)  A large cockpit, with cabin space which is small but adequate
>>         for overnite for a couple (comparable to camping).
>>    (4)  Fiberglass hull (of course).  
>>	(5)  An outboard.  Used boat. Full complement of sails.  And I
>>		 would hope to pay no more than about $6,000 for a used boat,
>>         which would probably be 10 to 15 years old.
>
>>     What I would *really* hope for is a reply which says something
>>along the lines of: "You're looking the xxxxx model, made by yyyyy".
>>Armed with that, I can then scan the out-of-town papers from Miami and
>>Tampa, and also call brokers and ask if they have one listed.

First boat that comes to my mind is a Cape Dory Typhoon. Does
everything you want except for keel, which is a modified full
keel. It's a sloop with pretty overhangs, big cockpit, takes
an outboard, and decent room below. There were at least two
versions made, one called a 'weekender' and the other I don't
know what it was called. I believe the difference between the
two was one had more spartan accomodations. Today, one or
the other is in higher demand, and if you look into it that'll
be clear pretty quick.

This is a very traditional boat in most every way. You see them
for sale from 3-6K.

There are also a bunch of other boats which would meet your needs.

Bob Parkinson
bobp@sandr.com

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:29:14 GMT
Summary: some info on EPIRBs

In article <1992Nov17.193819.28872@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard) writes:
>
> The New York Times article from Sunday 11/15 said that the EPIRB had NOT been
>registered at all. Apparently in the rush to get the boat ready this was a
>detail that was overlooked. I don't know if the EPIRB is required or not. I
>agree with you that boats doing this type of sailing should have ARGOS
>transponders, but they apparently are also not required. My understanding of
>EPIRBs is that the signals are supposed to be picked up by aircraft, which
>report the signal (to the Coast Guard? I don't know to whom). The longer the
>aircraft can hold the signal and/or the more planes pick it up, the better the
>chances of a good fix on location. Anybody else out there know more about the
>details of EPIRBs?

   Yes, I can flesh this out a little. The old style 121 MHz Class A EPIRBs
were intended to be picked either by aircraft or satellites. But either way,
someone had to be listening as the satellites were not capable of storing
the distress call and transmitting it at a later time. Although the old 
EPIRBs had to be licensed, they were not "registered" per se as there was
nothing in their signals to distinguish onr transmitter from the next.
   The new 406 MHz EPIRBs transmit a signal with an identification number
so that, when registered, the authorities know who is transmitting, and
what sort of a boat to go looking for. In addition, the birds that listen
to the 406 MHz signal are capable of holding the distress calls when they 
are out of touch, and transmitting them at a later time when they hook
up to their ground stations.
   I believe either system is capable of position fixing, but the new units
are much better at this due to the more sophisticated nature of the signals
and the satellites that recieve them.
   On the subject of ARGOS, someone mentioned that it is a requirement for
the race, and was to be installed by the race committee prior to the start
of the Globe Challenge. 

   One note of irony here. In the last BOC, Plant had similar electrical
troubles on DURACELL. Seems that either he is electrically jinxed, or he
should find someone better equipped to install his electrical systems.

Wayne (bummed out but still hoping) Simpson



Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Question about zinc...
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:10:43 GMT


My boat has a Westerbeke 4-107 diesel. This is connected to the seawater
by the prop shaft, but there's a rubber doughnut between the two halves of the
prop coupler, which effectively insulates the shaft from the engine. I put a
zinc on the prop shaft this past year (a "doughnut zinc"---about 1"
fore-and-aft, and about 3" OD, with a 7/8" hole in the middle for the shaft
to pass through. The result: after 5.5 months in the water, the zinc is about
25% gone. Is this about normal?

Also, on the engine itself, there's a heat exchanger. It seems to be copper or
cupro-nickel. It has, on the seaater side of the system, a zinc pencil,
mounted in a brass thinghy that screws into a socket on the exchanger. The
pencil is about 1/4" diameter, and about 2/5" long. Each year, as I go to 
winterize the engine, I have to drain the FW system and remiz the antifreeze
and re-fill it. I've tended to drain the whole system, take out the heat
exchanger completely (takes only 10 minutes---I've gotten good at it :-( ),
and replace the zinc; but I usually flush the exchanger before I replace the
zinc. The result: usually the zinc is almost completely gone; the pencil has
broken off somewhere in the middle, and the "stub" is lying around on the
bottom of the exchanger, along with sundry other bits of broken zinc. 

So. When during the summer does this happen? I'm not sure. Maybe the thing
craps out within the first week. I'm not at all certain. The question is, 
how normal is this? How long does one of these pencils tend to last in typical
service? And just what is that pencil protecting in this situation? It's
certinaly electrically connected to the rest of the engine, but this copper or
cupro-nickel exchanger is the only part of the engine (aside from the seawater
pump) that's in contact with the seawater. Any comments or suggestions would be
welcome. 

-John

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk
Subject: British Steel Challenge
Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (OBSchou)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:21:11 GMT


"Latest" British Steel Challenge data - I am sorry it is taking a
little time to do, I canna seem to get the scanner to get reasonable
dtat in.

Maps are very poor.  I can get some sort of maps to some willing FTP
site, if they will let me know...

Bertil.




Report: 9

Compiled at: 09:09 GMT 16th November 1992
Race Leg: 2 - Rio de Janeiro to Hobart

Latest Yacht Data

Yacht Name	      Time of fix  Latitude  Longitude  CMG  SMG   DTF	VMG 
(Listed in order of ETA or ATA)	(GMT)
01: Hofbrau Lager     16 NOV 09:00 25 32.04S 44 26.12W  181  08.3  7452	10.0
02: Interspray	      16 NOV 09:00 25 31.68S 44 25.86W  181  08.3  7452	10.0
03: Commercial Union  16 NOV 09:00 25 31.55S 44 25.50W  182  08.2  7453	09.9
04: Rhone Poulenc     16 NOV 09:00 25 30.18S 44 26.20W  183  08.3  7454	09.8
05: British Steel II  16 NOV 09:00 25 40.13S 43 52.54W  175  08.3  7456	09.7
06: Pride of Teesside 16 NOV 09:00 25 37.85S 43 55.79W  185  07.9  7457	09.7
07: Coopers & Lybrand 16 NOV 09:00 25 37.36S 43 55.45W  186  07.7  7457	09.7
08: Heath Insured     16 NOV 09:00 25 35.22S 44 00.17W  184  08.0  7458	09.6
09: Group 4	      16 NOV 09:00 25 33.39S 44 03.73W  199  07.6  7458	09.6
10: Nuclear Electric  16 NOV 09:00 25 38.52S 43 49.44W  181  07.5  7458	09.6
Key:

CMG	       Course Made Good: course between last two known positions.
SMG	       Speed Made Good: speed between last two known positions 
               in Knots
DTF	       Distance to Finish; great circle distance via way points 
               to end of leg in Nautical Miles.
VMG	       Velocity Made Good: average veloc4ty towards leg finish in 
               Knots.
ETA	       Estimated Time of Arrival.
ATA	       Actual Time of Arrival.

Race	Management System developed by BT in 
association with the Whithread Round The World Race



Acknowledgement
BT Race Resuits System Data
Copyright British Telecommunications plc 1992
Any part of this document may be reproduced for information purposes in any form, provided the reproduction is 
accompanied by the above notice.



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From: dbyrne@ldgo.columbia.edu (deirdre byrne)
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Keywords: Mike Plant
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:31:57 GMT

This from the NY Times today (courtesy of Will Howard):

"Four days of intensive searching have failed to turn up
any signs of Mike Plant."

A summary of the basic facts:

|His departure was from New York on Oct 16.
|
|On Oct 27, the Canadian Coast Guard received a weak transmission
|from his EPIRB.
|
|It was not until November 12 that the signal was linked
|to Coyote.
|
|The search is being conducted in the area northeast of
|Bermuda, with two USCG C-130 prop planes covering roughly 15000 
|square miles in the process.
|
|The US Navy is also expected to get involved in the search effort.


This doesn't sound good to me.


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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Season's over WAHHH!)
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:46:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.215451.3441@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes...
>In <guido.722012392@sparc-3> guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci) writes:
>>We were probably completely without headsail for only 15-20 seconds.
> 
>As I said, if you compare badly executed hank sail change to a well executed
>foil change there is a real difference. Because people interested in winning
>races invest more in practice as well as equipment Mr. Scot might be under
>the false impression that there is a really big difference between the
>two procedures, when the real difference was between the crews. :-).
>Maybe I am not that stupid after all. ;-).
> 
>- Lauri Tarkkonen

15-20 seconds is really excellent for a 35 footer, 3-5 minutes is really bad.
However on a boat like an S2 you will immediately drop to 2 kts without a
headsail (going upwind). Then it takes a little while to get back up to speed.
That's probably 5-6 EXTRA boatlengths (best possible hank change vs. just ok
foil change). In a distance race this might not be significant and in a shorter
race there are many mistakes that could conceivably cost you more. But with a
foil you lose so little in the change, it's great.

Many boats also go much better with just a main. There is a pearson 30 in our
Glenmar fleet who usually does pretty good changes with hanks. His crew would
like to have a foil for sail changes. He will probably win PHRF high point for
the whole bay, all fleets. The pearson 30 is a very forgiving boat (with a nice
rating too) and he is a good sailor.


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: weber@jedi.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Weber)
Subject: Re: Mike Plant: any news?
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Lockheed Missles & Space Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.034454.12920@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>,
legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) wrote:
> 
> 
>    The subject line pretty much says it all. I have heard and read
> no news about the missing American solo sailor or his boat. Have any
> of you people out there heard anything?


I thought I heard over the weekend that his boat was seen capsized off the
Azores and Mike was not with the boat.  However, I did not see any articles
in the paper.

kevin
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Solar Still
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:25:41 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1er8tuINNmdm@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Margot Peter) writes:

>Wanted: Solar still or information on where we can get one. It's the watermaker
>used by Steven Callahan in the book "Adrift" I believe it's made in the UK.
>Distributor in the US was Halcyon, Inc. in Annapolis, but they no longer seem
>to exist. West Marine doesn't have them, even though it's listed in the
>catalogue. Any ideas?
>Margot

There is a British mail order shop called Quayside that has in their
catalog a thing they called Solar Water Maker. The pirce is 39.95 pounds.
Claims to produce about a ping of water on a average British February day.
Contact: Phone: 081-541 5915  FAX: 081 - 541 5916
Post: Quayside
      59 Hawks Road
      Kingston upon Thames
      Surrey KT1 3DS

They acknowledge Visa, Amex, Acces, Switch cards.

How I know?  I have been considering one of those as well.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Coyote spotted, no sign of Mike Plant
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:15:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

A couple of additional notes.  It seems that the bulb 
is missing from the keel fin. Observers said they could 
see sails as the upside down hull heaved in 8 foot waves; 
meaning perhaps that the rig is intact.   

Hoping that Plant is alive inside,

BILL COURINGTON
From: dre@ember.Eng.Sun.COM (David R. Emberson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Breaking Waves at Santa Cruz Harbor
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:39:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: ember
Summary: Don't lose boatspeed!


95% of the time you will be entering Santa Cruz Harbor on a reach, so you
should be fairly maneuverable.  The main trick is to come in under a full
head of steam and ride the waves.

There is a large kelp bed off the harber to the East.  You want to avoid
that, then make a kind of S turn and approach the harbor entrance from
the right side.

Another hint:  Dredging in the winter is pretty ad hoc.  The harbor patrol
does not mark the shoals in the winter--so stay in the middle of the channel.




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						The dreaded kelp bed.
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From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:59:02 GMT
Summary: some thoughts about Mike Plant and Coyote

In article <1992Nov17.032111.21359@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> watson@racerx.bal.mmc.com (Dave Watson) writes:
>A brief report in the Washington Post this past Sunday noted that Mike Plant
>and his boat Coyote were missing in the North Atlantic.  He was in transit from
>New York to Les Sables d'Olonne France in preparation for the start of the
>Vendee Globe Challenge race.  Does anyone have any more information on this?
>

   This is pretty awful news. I met Mike Plant last year at the Newport
sailboat show (before they decided to combine sail and power). Although
we only spoke for a few minutes, I found myself liking him a lot both for
his achievments and his friendly, "common man" personality. I'd hate to
think he's been lost at sea.
   Shouldn't Coyote have an Argos transponder? I would think that this
would have given search crews a good place to start looking. If Coyote
had gone down, the Argos would have stopped transmitting, and the life
raft with 406 MHz Epirb should have automatically deployed. I doubt
that the weak, unregistered signal described could have been from
Coyote. I would think that a registered, functioning Epirb was required
by the race rules, and Plant or his team would have seen to it.
   I'd prefer to think that Coyote was dismasted or knocked down and 
Plant is alive and well and still with her, either erecting a jury rig
or awaiting rescue. I hope this is true...

   A few words about Coyote. I, too, saw her at the Annapolis show. I
didn't go aboard because the lines were too long, but a good look at 
the boat from outside told me pretty much all I needed to know. She
resembled, more than anything else, a 60 foot "M" Scow, but beamier.
   I view the current generation of BOC boats to be patently unsafe
vessels. Their range of positive stability is too small. In the Globe
Challenge of 4 years ago, one of the French boats was knocked down 
to 90 degrees and stayed there for 28 hours. Emptying the water ballast
tanks had no effect and it was only after part of the rig was cut away
that the boat righted.
   I asked Olin Stephens at a design symposium what he thought of the 
BOC and the current crop of BOC boats. He said something like "any man
who would deprive himself like that for months at a time is crazy, and
those boats are unsafe". More than ever, I tend to agree.

   I'm glad I'm not Rodger Martin right now. He designed Duracell much
more conservatively because he too, felt the extreme beam boats weren't
safe. This time, he and Plant were taking a "win at any cost" approach.
I wonder what he thinks of the cost of winning now? I would hate to
ever be put in the position of sending a friend off to do battle with
the sea in a boat I knew was dangerous.

Wayne Simpson, IC27A Technical Editor
               sometime yacht design student
               sometime researcher at Bell Labs
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Season's over WAHHH!)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Summary: some thoughts about Mike Plant and Coyote
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:53:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.145902.27644@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes...
>the boat from outside told me pretty much all I needed to know. She
>resembled, more than anything else, a 60 foot "M" Scow, but beamier.
>   I view the current generation of BOC boats to be patently unsafe

I saw a picture of it in some sailing magazine recently and immediately
thought of a scow. I don't know how anyone could even think of going offshore
(much less alone) in such a craft. I would think a boat like that would be
under every other wave. The deck would have to be reinforced to take all the
green water. I truly hope he is ok but from the looks of it it doesn't seem
real promising.



Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
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