From: v076jy2p@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Cosmo Of The Cosmos)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp
Subject: Re: SR: Stealth Suits-
Keywords: SR;ShadowRun;Shadow Run;SRun
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtFF70.MKx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, beast@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Beast of Mentor) writes...
>In article <57448@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> holmes@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Krishgan) writes:
>>Concerning Predator/Beast's comments on Stealth Suits...
>>
>>->>>>>[Hey Predator, here are a few things that occurred to me during all
>>  of this discussion.  You might like 'em...]<<<<<
>>    -Reflex
>>
>>  1.  Ultrasound Stealth, not a real possibility without spending more 
>>     money than you and -most- of your freinds have combined.  However, try
>>     an Ultrasonic Sweeper, something that is a relative to a Whitenoise
>>     Generator.  Throws off all sorts of false images and -static-.
Nah, try a sonic damper.  Its a device that generates a inverse sound wave
so that you come up as air.

>>  2.  Thermal Stealth, ok this one is easier.  The best two ideas that I
>>     have seen regard the Catalytic stuff, as its easier, and something that
>>     would vent the heat in random designs/directions (which would NOT
>>     power a Laser).
>The heat conversion (I see transducers working best) would be subject to the
>second law of thermodynamics, thus I would still be seen (though my heat trace
>would* be reduced).  However, I could combine the two (transducers on the
>inside, endo-thermic reaction on the outside), according to the guy next to me
>in the lab.
Well, in the age of nanotech and IR goggles it would be possible to make
a suit that remained at room temp on the surface.  It would have problems
adjusting quickly  (ie. when you walked in from the snow) but other than that
you should be invisible on thermo.

>>  3.  Light Stealth, ok lets call this Optic Stealth.  I don't think that
>>     technology has Adaptive Coloration just yet, but I know of two variations
>>     that are used.
>>     a.  Soft Armors that use Rheuthenium Fibers (spelling?)
>>     b.  Hard Armors that use Optic Ceraglass and an encoding system.
>>	"GEE, I can see right through him..."
>Where did you get the idea that we don't have Adaptive Coloration, or that
>R-fibers are limited to soft armor?  R-fibers are the full equivilant of
>Adaptive Coloration (the scanners scan the background, then display it on the
>appropriate surfaces).  Also, why can't you cover balistic plastic with
>lcd-like fibers?  The stuff is used for flat-screen terminals, which I assume
>is on a hard surface.  No need for home-brewed tech.  Plus you get extra
>clarity for each scanner you install, improving the stealth value.
Uh, I don't know.  The law of decreaseing returns says that at some point
your going to be spending 1,000,000 nuyen for a +1.  Its an inherant part of
the system.  Just look at the costs of cyberware and what happens when you get
a higher quality gizmo.

>Yes, I actually have this one down pat.  :).  Visually, I already have Predator
>Armor :)

>>   4.  Sonic Stealth, ok lets call this one "Auditory Stealth" and categorize
>>      it for -normal- band hearing.  This isn't too hard with the types of
>>      insulatory materials that are accessable.  If you do it though, make
>>      sure its a conic design for the sonic "padding" as that causes a far
>>      wider dispersion of the noise(s) you big ass makes.
>Or ask someone to stick a Silence spell on it, as you had suggested earlier
Or just use a sonic damper.  The only problem is, you can't talk.  This is 
gotten around by making sure that your helmet is sound proof and everybody 
has a built in radio.  Oh, as an added bonus, you don't need silencers anymore.
The only problem is making sure that the device isn't cranked up too high 'cause
you'll get resonance at about 20m.  (Unless you like making squealing sounds)

>>   5.  Magical Stealth, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....talk with someone from
>>      the Death Knights or the Lord Knights, they might have a better idea
>>      on this one than I.
>Thank you, I have been discussing this with Meastro :) (of Lord Knights)
Magically active bacteria.  I gotta dispenser that shoots the stuff in a cloud
around me for 15 minutes.  Stops those spirits from coming in astral and forces
'em to come in on the physical.  HOSE!  Of couse your party mage may not like
the fact that you've shut down his astral projection, but that's his problem!
He's got buku powers and taps the mind of god anyways, it's time he whined for 
a while.

>Would Initiate masking help?
Well, they'll think your a normal and won't see your spell locks.

>>   6.  Sensory Stealth, in this case I am referring to Radar/Sonar/EM tracking
>>      styles.  I can make something the size of a Headband that is an ECM
>>      Lvl 4 with -little- difficulty.  It costs a mint and a half, but it
>>      is -really- worth it.
>1. I don't have 1.5 mints (unless you take certs :) )
>2. I think an ECM 1 will do me, and by doubling the base price, I can reduce
>the size to less than a CF, which I imagine I can stick into a back-pack with
>ease.  All ECMs jam Radar, and it wouldn't be too hard to modify it for
>Ultrasound.  I'm not too* worried about radar and vehicle sensers, as I am a
>Troll, not a vehicle.  I intend to go up against people, not tanks (though
>tanks might want to go against me, oh well)
Just make sure that you don't disrupt your own radio wavelenght or else your
never gonna find anybody else in your party.

>-Predator, looking more like his namesake every day
Why don't you send away for the CAW Co. Fall Catolog.
As president and sole stock holder I'd be more than happy to sometime
print a few examples of our wares and maybe pick up some pointers
from any people who might own their own cottage bussiness.

(Say, there's an Idea!  The Shadownet Shadowtech Net.book)


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