HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gds@ikura.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:35:27 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes
> In article <1k1aa5INNp2f@pandora.sdsu.edu>, larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry  
Riedel) writes:
> > My experience has been that a large percentage of the people who have
> > emigrated to Canada did so because they couldn't get into the United
> > States 
> 
> Absolutely agreed.  Canada is hugely inferior to the US in all respects,
> and Canadians occupy considerable time and efort ina fruitless attempt
> to try to convince people otherwise.

Well, this immigrant Canadian is thankful that most people (according to some)  
perceive the USA as "the place to be", since that keeps them away from "messing  
up" Canada :-).

You know how it is: you discover this great place (restaurant, holiday place,  
country, whatever) and after a while you notice everyone else did too and the  
place is not the same anymore and consequently not so great anymore either.

So, yes, Canada is hugely inferior to the US, go to the US instead (but we  
Canadians, immigrant and otherwise, know better :-).
--
Riel Smit                                                 gds@cs.uct.ac.za
Computer Science                             gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com
University of Cape Town      "..and he walked his days under African skies"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross)
Subject: Re: Rae's "corruption"? (was Re: NDP "communism?")
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:14:53 GMT

labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
: In article <1993Jan23.152938.6028@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu
: (Charles M Kozierok) writes: 
: > In article <1993Jan22.172701.7579@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
: > bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross) writes: 
: > >labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
: > >: (sigh.)  Once more, it is not that we believe that the NDP is incapable
: > >: of corruption.  It is that we do not believe you have 1) demonstrated
: > >: that corruption (use of public office for private gain) has occurred. 2)
: > >: demonstrated that this corruption is on par with that practised by the
: > >: older parties.
: > >
: > >(sigh). Ah yes, the party faithful respond to the call to arms.
: > >Read Gerald's summary posted a few days ago. When I get time, I'll
: > >search for the Star article. 
: 
: (sigh) Ah yes, I'm such a member of the party faithful that I referred
: to Rae's government as "incompetents".  You'll have to work on your
: reading comprehension if you think that what I've written is
: unquestioned support for the NDP.

Being blind to corruption is pretty supportive.

: In any case, I did not receive Gerald's article at this site, nor did I
: receive Brian's reply to my article - I only saw it quoted in the above
: article by Charles.  

Selectively recall, perhaps?

: However, considering that ANOTHER Tory MP was
: convicted of fraud this week, I ask once more for descriptions of
: example of NDP corruption, which seem spurious and imaginary, as opposed
: to descriptions of Ontario NDP incompetence, which have been reported in
: the media.

Gerald, give this old NDP crony the rundown!

: For the record, Brian, I 'support' the NDP because it's marginally less
: right-wing than the other parties that have a chance of being elected,
: and I don't see the point of selling the 'Daily Worker' on street
: corners and hoping that that will bring about change.  I know that this
: logic will not make sense to those in the can.* groups who bitch about
: the political system but don't act, through parties or revolution, to
: change what they don't like.

Yawn. Yet another '60's idealist. 
If you really want to change the world, leave politics and
devote yourself to voluntary public service.

-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca
From: grinshp@cs.concordia.ca (GRINSHPAN roy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: canadian subway
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:01:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

On the subject of day passes that someone mentionned... Montreal has
introduced the Carte de Congres. Which is in effect a day pass
but I believe it is unavailable to residents of the Island of Montreal...

Cheers,

Roy Grinshpan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: Questions au sujet de l'independance du Quebec
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: can.politics, can.general
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:58:00 GMT


     Je m'appelle Eugene, j'suis etudiant a l'universite du Vermont aux Etats
Unis.  Pour des raisons educatives, j'aimerais savoir les consequences geogra-
phiques et  sur l'environnement associees a un Quebec independant. J'aimerais
egalement savoir s'il y a lieu de conflit dans l'etablissement d'une carte
geographique delimitant une republique du Quebec.
     Votre reponse sera vachement appreciee et merci d'avance.
 
                                             Eugene Tchana


Email -> operet@emba.uvm.edu
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Rae's "corruption"? (was Re: NDP "communism?")
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:41:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: spartan.1993Jan24.154128.15607
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
: In article <1993Jan22.172701.7579@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross) writes:
: 
: (Sarcasm)
: > An NDPer makes a mistake, and it's simply the result of the human
: > frailty of an innocent,  ordinary human being.
: > 
: > Whether it's NDP, PC, Grit, or what have you:
: > 
: > 	"Same trough. Different Pigs."
: 
: When in Opposition, Bob Rae developed quite a few 'squeaky 
: clean'-type policies which, when faced with the reality of 
: government, resulted in him sticking to his guns. This lead to a 
: number of "scandels" and cabinet resignations which, when 
: compared to Liberal and Conservative (and SoCred) governments of 
: our times, were quite petty.

But the issue is the corruption of his administration -- blatant
examples of abuse of office. Gerald summarised some of them the
other day. They aren't petty.  

: Bob Rae should be praised for living up to the high standards he 
: set... to compare the Ontario NDP transgressions to those of 
: Mulroney, Peterson, Vander Zalm, et al., are like comparing 
: blemished yet still palatable apples to a crate of oranges 
: flattened by a (deregulated) transport truck.

You should take off your thick partisan blinders, and accept the
reality that his government ranks with these others. Also, don't
compare the BC NDP with the Ontario version - two very different
kinds of governments. Rae should be kicked out at the next election.


-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: operet@griffin.emba.uvm.edu (Eugene Tchana)
Subject: Questions au sujet de l'independance du Quebec.
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:24:47 GMT



     Je m'appelle Eugene, j'suis etudiant a l'universite du Vermont aux Etats
Unis.  Pour des raisons educatives, j'aimerais savoir les consequences geogra-
phiques et  sur l'environnement associees a un Quebec independant. J'aimerais
egalement savoir s'il y a lieu de conflit dans l'etablissement d'une carte
geographique delimitant une republique du Quebec.
     Votre reponse sera vachement appreciee et merci d'avance.
 
                                             Eugene Tchana


Email -> operet@emba.uvm.edu

                                            

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: Robert.Biddle@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Robert Biddle)
Subject: E-Mail to Lethbridge Alberta?
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:10:31 GMT



Would someone please send me (e-mail please) how to e-mail
to someone at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta?

I tried "postmaster@ulethbridge.ca" but that failed.

Thanks
Robert

robert@comp.vuw.ac.nz
From: bridges@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Dual Citizenship
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:59:22 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

Are there any people reading this group who were U.S. citizens living
in Canada who have tried to get dual citizenship??  Is it tough?
what is the U.S. stand on dual citizenship these days??
doug bridges
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Misleading stats
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:40:13 GMT

In article <1jnvbh$s94@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
>Thus the statistic qouted in the paper is fine. Sometimes a rate is more
>appropriate, sometimes an absolute number, depending on what you are trying
>to state. From the above statement, it *would not* be appropriate to say that
>non-whites are *more likely* to beat their wives because the data that would
>allow you to compute a rate is not there. But, the paper didn't make that
>assertion, the reader did.

Unfortunately, *most* readers probably don't have enough
sophistication in statistics to have a good grasp that the paper
*isn't* making the assertion via the fairly "bald" statistic that
whites/Canadian born men are more likely to beat their wives than the
other groups.

In light of the fact that most people aren't heavily statistically
literate, statistics that are used in public should be used in such a
way that they can most easily be interpreted in a useful way.

The statistic "Percentage of assaultors that are white" is useless,
unless everybody knows what portion of the population is white.  You
can't even interpret the value without having several other numbers
available.

"Number of assaultors per 1000 population members" is a FAR more
relevant statistic, in that it does not require further information to
at least allow some cursory interpretation.

I guess that MY conclusion is that reporters tend to be nearly
illiterate with respect to statistics, and it means that most
statistics presented in the media are not very useful, and many
statistics presented in the media are absolutely misleading.

-- 
Christopher Browne                |     PGP 2.0 key available
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca           |======================================
University of Ottawa              | Genius may have its limitations, but
Master of System Science Program  | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: a2861al@cd1.LRZ-Muenchen.DE ()
Subject: Email connection to Uni of Toronto?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:02:01 GMT

Hi

Can anyone please inform me how I can contact someone at the Uni of
Toronto regarding Technical Publications of the Dept Computer Science
via email.

Thank you, M Bezold-Chatwin

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel)
Subject: Re: Crime in Canada vs U.S. Why the difference?
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:11:37 GMT

In article <TODD.93Jan25103632@ai07.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp writes:
>There are easier ways to get wealth in Canada,

Please let me in on them by email. I'll move back. :-)

I agree that inequitable distribution of wealth is a problem in the U.S.
Folks here want to believe that their system is classless and provides 
opportunity for all who want to prosper. The fact that this is clearly not 
true does not seem to temper the belief. There is a related belief that wealth
is a useful measure of worth, and that the poor are lazy and/or stupid.

There is also a strong belief here that violence is a necessary tool in the
persuit of justice. These are a fanatical people.

-- 

Mike Zintel		zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com
Motorola Mobile Data
Bothell, WA
From: knox@monster.umd.edu (Garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: dual citizenship
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:26:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland



 I have some questions about dual citizenship. I have Canadian citizenship and
I have been living in the U.S for 7 years and I am eligible to apply for
American citizenship. What are the advantages of having dual citizenship? Can
you keep two passports? What are the disadvantages? Can you vote in both
countries? Is dual citizenship frowned upon by either government?

  Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

-garry  knox@monster.umd.edu    University of Maryland at College Park
From: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Follow question on ghettos in Canada
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:03:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Ok, it seems that we have established that Canada is fortunate enough not
to have the Super-ghettos that the US has, with the possible exception of
the reservations. 

I would still like to know what areas are considered medium ghettos, or
whatever meets the standard in the Canadian context. It would be
helpful if you could name specfic neighborhoods and intersections if
possible. (thanks for your answer Michael Feld). I would like to
visit some of them this summer if possible. (Yes, that is what sociologists
do on vacation when visiting with the 'rents gets boring)


-- 
Lisa DeLorme                            
delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu           
DOD #363/ 80 KZ250, (mouse bike), 82 KZ440
                    Hey, I'm finally an acronym: DBNI  (Double bike, no income)
From: warkent@ltisun15.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Food choices
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:23:40 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: gt7627b@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 27 Jan 93 04:14:16 GMT

(gt7627b THORNE,STEPHEN PHILIP) wrote:

 > I am an American who lived for four years in Toronto (I graduated
 > from _SECONDARY_ school in Canada).  I even went so far as to work
 > in a Canadian grocery store.  And from my perspective, there is 
 > no better spectrum of quality and choice than in US supermarkets.

But does the lettuce have any taste?
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: canadian subway
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:48:07 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1993Jan22.045531.7180@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
<In refd article, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
<>
<>2.  The ability to climb and descend steeper grades.  That way, stations
<>can be built closer to the surface, while the tracks between stations
<>cand dive deep enough to go below building foundations, utilities, etc.
<>At many stations you can look into the tunnel and see the tracks drop.
<
<I can't comment on whether the grades are steeper than normal in Montreal,
<but tracks dropping away at the entrance and exit of a subway/metro
<station is normal design.

The grades ARE considerably steeper on the Montreal Metro than on any
steel-on-steel system of which I am aware.  This WAS a consideration
in the decision to use rubber wheels, as I said.  Think about 
Ile-Ste-Helene station.  On either side it has to dive very deeply
to get under the river, but the station itself is quite shallow.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: alan@ikkyu.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan Marr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Laurence Godfrey:  Cry-Baby
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:28:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: alan@ikkyu.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ikkyu

Poor little Godfrey-child is peeved.  After months of making childish
insults against Germans and Canadians in soc.culture.canada and other
newsgroups, he throws a temper tantrum when he isn't taken seriously.

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

    Re: Canadian Culture Shock?  Indeed it would be a shock if any
    [culture] were in evidence in canada.
    ...
    wait, I'm no German, I'm just posting from a German machine.  I
    lived there too - for 2 years - and I despise the Germans.
    ...
    Like all Canadians, you find it very difficult to grasp
    even the simplest of concepts, don't you.

Then godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
    wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin) writes:
	godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

	    ... on the first occasion that the US had a lottery (around
	    1987) for immigration visas for the US, the Canadian mail
	    system was absolutely swamped with Canadians rushing to
	    meet the Washington deadline, that trucks were being hired
	    to drive the applications down to Washington in time, that
	    Canadians were literally climbing over one another to get
	    out of Canada to the US.

	Don't you see the connection ?  Those people were trying to
	distance themselves from you, Lawrence.

    I don't know - you make a serious observation on thisnewsgroup and
    without fail some Canadian idiot comes back with a stupid answer!
    Does anyone have a serious answer, or shall I assume that when all
    else fails in trying to defend your horrible little country the
    best you can do is revert to childish insults?

Pity little Godfrey.  He just can't get any respect.

Alan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael)
Subject: Re: canadian subway
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:17:32 GMT

In article <C1HJqz.F5H@mach1.wlu.ca> scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U) writes:
>>introduced the Carte de Congres. Which is in effect a day pass
>>but I believe it is unavailable to residents of the Island of Montreal...
>
>How would a tourist prove he/she is a non-resident of Montreal?  Would they
>have to show ID?  How much is it?  Are there any restrictions on its use?
>Where can they be purchased?  I'm going to Montreal next month and this
>would be cool.

	I have never purchased a Carte de Congres, so take the following
opinion with the proverbial grain of salt.  The name implies that the
card is for people attending conventions, and the one time I've seen
them for sale is at a convention at the Palais de Congres, where my
father-in-law bought one while he was attending a conference.  I seem
to recall that he had to register at the conference first, then use
his registration papers to enable him to buy this card at the conference,
not at the Metro.  Has anybody here actually bought one of these cards?

Mike "Hugging my precious Metro pass" Coady
From: warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:45:45 GMT
	<1993Jan26.173844.4408@mdivax1.uucp>
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: robinson@mdivax1.uucp's message of 26 Jan 93 17:39:23 GMT

A tiresome person writes:
>>> Absolutely agreed.  Canada is hugely inferior to the US in all respects, [...]

Jim Robinson helpfully adds:
> And I would like to take this opportunity to point out to Mr Godfrey and
> others that BC is easily the most inferior province of Canada :-)

And Victoria is the most inferior city in B.C., although sometimes I think that
the Gulf Islands are quite miserable. `_'
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:10237 misc.invest:16856
From: wbarr@bma.jeslacs.wimsey.bc.ca (William Barr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Canadian dollar - effect of Quebec separation
Keywords: Canadian dollar, investing
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:57:17 PST
Organization: Barr, McCormick & Assoc.

> group think the (potential) separation of Quebec will affect the Canadian
> dollar vis-a-vis, say, the U.S. dollar?

They won't separate because the status quo is too comfy.  Besides, once
Quebecers realize that if they separate, all that money from those
juicy federal contracts will stop flowing in, anybody with real skills
will move south or west and anybody with money will move to Florida,
the idea won't look too hot.

> individual investor to forego the tax advantages of an RRSP and move money in
> U.S. mutual funds before a decline in the Can. $ occurs? Or, alternatively,
> make an exchange rate play by investing in a "global money" fund?

Put it this way.  Considering almost all mutual funds that are RRSP-eligible
earned at least half of what most US mutual funds earned, last year, I
think an RRSP is a major rip-off.

Furthermore, what's to stop the government from placing some more rules/
taxes on RRSP withdrawls, in future years, in one giant money-grab.  Wait
for it my friend, it's coming down.

As far as I am concerned, I am more than happy to pay the US IRS their
cut of the profit on my future retirement fund.  No matter how you
slice it, the US will always tax less and US mutual funds will always
earn more.

> Am I missing something? E.g., have the exchange markets _already_ adjusted fo
> the prospect of Quebec separating?

I think the market worries about much larger issues, frankly.

Cynically Yours,

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: mctaylor@mta.ca ("Michael C. Taylor")
Subject: What's the diff?
Reply-To: mctaylor@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:48:47 GMT

Where is the difference between can.politics and soc.culture.canada?
 Please note the work                                ^^^^^^^
Doesn't in my books count when talking about Bob Rae, NDP, and stats.
I came to this group looking for a place to be more informed about Canada's
mutli-cultural affairs, the diverse and in places disappering culture, and
our history of such a large nation which has been a haven for many to come
and continue their ways. 
  I joined this group to take a peek at the rest of Canada where I have not
lived and was wondering about their culture, as I will be speaking about the
Maritimes and Canada when I go to Scotland this summer. I know of some tales
of the sea, but that's not all there is to Canada. 
 (Oops I meant to say word, not work on the second line, but I have a poor
editor which I am typing in, so I can't go back and fix it)
 
 Michael Taylor
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