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From: lrumsey@nyx.cs.du.edu (-Linda-)
Subject: Re: bread machine
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Keywords: bread machine
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 04:00:42 GMT

In article <C17MxM.1nqo@austin.ibm.com> tmac@austin.ibm.com (Timothy S. McNamara) writes:
>
>Are there any general rules for modifying sourdough recipies for
>use in a bread machine?
>
I would be interested in the answer to this as well... I do have several
sourdough recipes out of my bread machine cookbooks. I've made only 2 so
far, but the results have been quite nice.

Last night I started some rye starter as well as some whole wheat starter.
The rye went -crazy, but has calmed down as of tonite, yet the whole wheat
is going nuts 12 hours later. I'm experienced with the regular white
starter, but this rye/wheat stuff is an experiment. Anyone with hints/tips
before I begin would be nice.

I have recipes for sourdough rye and wheat <for the bread machine> as well 
as -many other recipes for the conventional oven. I lost my choc cake recipe
when I moved and have yet to find it in the many cookbooks I've searched.
It made an extremely -heavy cake and I'd appreciate any responses...




--
            there is an awakening...

        and -all that remains is true...
                                                       -Jim Morrison-
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
From: tmac@austin.ibm.com (Timothy S. McNamara)
Subject: bread machine
Originator: tmac@scamp.austin.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:27:22 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin
Keywords: bread machine


Are there any general rules for modifying sourdough recipies for
use in a bread machine?

Thanks,
Tim
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: Re: bread machine
Keywords: bread machine
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:37:02 GMT

tmac@austin.ibm.com (Timothy S. McNamara) writes:


>Are there any general rules for modifying sourdough recipies for
>use in a bread machine?

I haven't done this... but I've modified bread machine recipies
to include starter. I feed my starter 50/50 flour and either milk
or water. 

So when making bread, I put about a cup of starter on the bottom,
then add the ingrediants, reducing the amount of flour and liquid
(each) by slightly less than a cup.

I've only done this on timer recipies (so the ingrediants can play
together overnight) and I always use yeast, because the timed rise
cycle doesn't allow enough time for the starter to work by itself.

One thing I haven't tried, but have on my list, is to put in all the
ingrediants, including the starter, start the mix/rise cycle and let
it run until everything's mixed. Then turn it off and restart it on
a timed cycle, so the entire dough mixture can sour overnight.

Has anyone tried this variation/method yet?

>Thanks,
>Tim

You're welcome -- good luck.
Art
-- 
Art Campbell          artc@world.std.com            72227.1375@compuserve.com
   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
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     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
From: jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis)
Subject: starter wanted
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:54:58 GMT

I've just started reading this group and saw a note from someone saying
that many of you out there would be willing to share a sample of your 
starter for anyone sending you a self addressed stamped envelope.  Well,
if thats true, I'd like to take you up on it.  I've tried the starter you
buy here in the SF Bay area and frankly it didn't do much for me.  Maybe
I did something wrong, in any case I'd like to try again.  Any help would 
be appreciated.  Thanks in advance!
From: emcgrath@MtHolyoke.edu (Emily McGrath; Embo)
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
Subject: Dried Yogurt Cultures
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:42:41 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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From: ford@ece.ucdavis.edu (Gary Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
Subject: Obituary - Leo Kline
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:52:01 GMT
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Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
Originator: ford@arugula.eecs.ucdavis.edu

From the San Francisco Chronicle, Jan. 20, 1993:

Dr. Leo Kline, the Bay Area microbiologist who unlocked the secret
ingredient that gives San Francisco sourdough French bread its world
renowned taste, has died at the age of 76.

The discoverer of Lactobacillus sanfrancisco -- a microorganism found
only in local sourdough -- died January 10 after a heart attack at his
Richmond home, his son Steven, said yesterday.

Dr. Kline was chief of the cereal microbiology group at the U.S.
Department of Agriculture Western Regional Laboratory in Albany when he
embarked on his scientific study to find out why crusty San Francisco
sourdough developed its unique, tart flavor.

"He always enjoyed eating it, and he wondered why it had such a
distinctive taste," his son said.

Folklore held that San Francisco fog, the city's climate and the loving
techniques and ovens of San Francisco bakers were the mysterious
combination that made good San Francisco sourdough.

But after more than two years of research, Dr. Kline and a colleague, T.
Frank Sugihara, identified -- and named -- Lactobacillus sanfrancisco,
an organism in sourdough starter that produces lactic acids and acetic
acids in the dough and gives the bread its unforgettable flavor.

The microorganism has been handed down in the sourdough starter by
generations of San Francisco bakers from the time of the Gold Rush, when
French settlers or Basques from Spain brough their bread-baking skills
from Europe, Dr. Kline noted.  It was impossible to determine where and
how the microorganism originated, he said.

Dr. Kline retired from his government job in 1973 and continued his
bread research on his own.  In 1977, he was awarded patents for San
Francisco Sour Start, a freeze-dried natural flour culture that
contained live Lactobacillus sanfrancisco.

------
Thought the group might be interested in this note.

	Gary Ford
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: Paige K. Parsons <parsons@cambridge.apple.com>
Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED/NEW BUNNY OWNER
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> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News)
In article <1993Jan22.161047.29157@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Michael Hui,
myhui@bnr.ca writes:
> >Recently my wife purchased a black French Lop.  He is now 5 months old.
> >I was wondering if anyone out there could please tell me when their
ears 
> >will lie down.  The first ear went down about 5 weeks ago.  Will we be
stuck
> >with 1 ear up and 1 down?
> 
> I wish the ears would never lie down. Please, think about the welfare
> of the animal. Erect ears bring in far better audio quality, essential
> to a rabbit who relies on an acute hearing to defend itself. They act
> as wonderful cooling structures for the hot head. Check out the ear
> tips' temperature with the Bun in a warm room, and check again with it
> in a cool room. Also note how the ears lie down or stand up when the Bun
> is resting depending on room temperature.
> 
> My 15 lbs giant rabbit has ears that stand up six inches and swivel
> independently according to where the sound source is. I think he's
> enjoying the use of that part of his anatomy quite a lot.


Oh, please! Its not unnatural for a rabbits ears to hang down. Have you
ever raised lop eared rabbits?  I have. They still have *full*
independent control over both their ears, they swivel them forward when
alert, they go back when they are scared. They twitch forward and back
when they hear strange noises. Are you implying that if a rabbits ears
hang down they cannot hear properly?  Its just not true.

As for the original question -  will both ears go down? The answer is
probably no. Although the one thats up might droop down a bit more, your
rabbit will probably end up having a very endearing Uhelicopterj look. 
You can tell at  a very early age if a French Lops ears will fall
completely, in fact the majority do fall completely by the time they are
10 weeks old. Often, breeders sell those that dont  for pets because
they arent showable. But theyre certainly no less lovable, they just
have a bit more character.

Paige Parsons
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Algae in a FreshWater tank
Organization: None
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:09:46 GMT

I have a smallish (15 gallon) tank with a lot of algae, i.e. the water
is downright green. I have kept the light off, the feeding minimal and
the Ph is just fine. Short of emptying the tank and starting over,
is there something else I can do to kill the algae, i.e.
copper sulfate crystals, potassium permangante crystals or even a copper 
penny which is toxic to the algae but not my guppies, et al.

Help is wanted....

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Joe
joec@morgan.com
From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Tails'n'Ears WAS Flame?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:30:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article <C1J7s2.CKE@cs.mcgill.ca> you write:
|> In article <9301261343.AA13214@mesa.dcrt.nih.gov> young@alw.nih.gov writes:
|> >
|> >The breed is used for a purpose, hunting.  Hunting requires that 
|> >some breeds tails be docked.  Neutering every Brittany that has
|> >a docked tail is not a useful solution.
|> >
|> >-- 
|> >___________	
|> >	jy
|> >	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
|> 
|> 
|>  Please pardon my ignorance, but why is it that some hunting breeds, such
|> as all retrievers, setters and the exception of the pointer, are able to 
|> perform their job in identical cover as breeds with docked tails? (most     
|> spaniels, german shorthaired and wirehaired pointers, vizslas, weimaraners,
|> etc).   The advantages of a tail are obvious in the water, which explains
|> the retrievers and the american and english water spaniels, but what is the
|> liability of  a tail in any cover? And how do the jobs of setters and spaniels,
|> the pointer and shorthaired pointer differ enough to make a tail necessary for
|> one and not the other?                      
|>  
|> This is a genuine question, not a flame.
|> 
|> Lisa  
|> 
|> -- 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Daniel J. Shields                            
|> pone@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca                             
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tell you the truth I really don't know.  Partly because I've never
seen a spaniel with a long tail, or a Brittany, or a German ________
Pointer.  I don't know whether it's the size and shape of the tail,
the action of the dog, but I do know that I'm not about to experiment.

Perhaps it is tradition, the dogs you mention are mostly of German or
French breeding.  Perhaps the German's just don't like tails on their
dogs. 

The exception are the English Spaniels which do have docked tails.
Anything I say would be speculative because I don't think this is a
big enough issue to go out and research.

SPECULATION
Watch a flushing spaniel work in the field.  If you can get a clear view
of his tail end while he's working the scent of a bird you'll see his
tail or what's left of it wagging a mile a minute.  The closer and more
excited he gets, the faster his tail moves.  Now imagine the spaniel in
a brush filled area with a long tail.  He's got to get into that brush
and push that bird out.  I'd say his tail would take a beating.  

My dog wags his tail on hot spots and the like.  When he knows he's got
the bird, his tail is straight up and motionless.  Watch a good pointer
or a setter.  A pointer on a bird looks like a statue, tail is straight
up in the air, no movement.  Pointer people have a term for a dog who
wags his tail on point, it's called flagging and is considered a serious
fault in a pointing dog.
-- 
___________	
	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: How about owning 2 dogs of different ...
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:13:12 GMT


My mother-in-law has 3 dogs, different breeds and (of course) sizes.  One
is a Boston Bull (itty, bitty) named Heidi but I call her Springs (she
doesn't walk she bounces).  Second a Dal named April prettiest markings
you ever saw).  And the third, we're not sure, just showed up one day and
stayed.  Sadie is possibly Dobie/Shepard mix.  They are Mom's babies.  
All 3 get along fine.  I think that is because Mom gives them all lots 
of attention and will not put up with bad behavior (fighting with each 
other).  They are "ladies".  Sadie, btw, is rather large and a bit heavy
around 125 lbs) compared little Heidi (weights around 15 or 20 lbs).

Good luck in your decision.

Mary Ann (EMT-A)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: ala1@midway.uchicago.edu (Arnie Aronoff)
Subject: Cocker Spaniel Clubs
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:48:59 GMT

Does anyone out there know of any cocker spaniel clubs or groups in the
Chicago metropolitan area?  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Corporation, a subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:55:32 GMT

Damon Feldman writes:

> The idea that all of dogdom should be handed over to backyard
> breeders, puppy mills, and animal rights activists

is a fascinating idea.  Where did you get it?  No one here has
suggested it, or anything of the sort.  What a silly straw man!

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:13:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: need advice
Comment-To: lydia_middendorf_@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  You are probably right that Rocket would be best off in the Texas
house.  You are also facing a tough decision- did it occur to you that
your grandfather really needs Rocket at this time?  He just lost his
wife, and apparently his home, and his ability to care for himself. 
Rocket would be his only link with his old life.  Let the man keep his
dog.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: mutts vs. purebreds
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:59:08 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6216]: diana

>Is there any way to train a dog not to bark at everything? Our dog is a small
>collie mix we got at the pound. He's friendly and playful and likes to be
>outdoors in the yard. But when he's out there he'll bark at everything he
>hears. Sometimes he'll just stand out there in the middle of the yard and

>with some of our neighbors who are getting very tired of hearing it. Can

This is in part an additional reply to the recent anti-purebred post.

The pound is often wrong about these things.  Your dog is more likely a 
*sheltie* mix (shelties look just like little collies).  Shelties are
renown for taking special joy in barking.  Sheltie owners often refer to
this a "talking".  If you and your neighbors don't look at it this way
you can try a variety of electronic devices that discourage barking.

Collars are the most popular, but the dog will learn to figure out
when the collar is off or the battery is dead.

You could try a sonic barker breaker.  I emits an unpleasant noise when
the dog barks, but doesn't have to be constantly on the dog etc. to work

Good luck,
Damon-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kzuga@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karen Zuga)
Subject: Akita For Sale
Summary: Male 8 week AKC Akita for sale
Keywords: Akita,
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:44:15 GMT

I am posting for a friend, so please do not E-mail me.

Male Akita, 8 weeks old, AKC registered, has had first shots, is family raised,
has a good (quiet) temperment, has good markings for sale for $500.00. Call 
(614) 833-9138.
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:26:44 GMT
Subject: 
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: maoh@phyast.nhn.uoknor.edu (Maureen O'Halloran)
Subject: Re: Help: biting
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:01:14 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


sw@sei.cmu.edu (Shelley Woosley) writes:
>My puppy is 3 months old and while I understand that she is teething, she
>bites me constantly.  Not just chewing but drawing blood.  Even when I'm just 
>sitting on the couch, she jumps up at my face!  I've tried Bitter Apple but it
>doesn't really work.  Besides, I can't cover my body in it.  My obedience 
>trainer said to say "uh-huh" and give her a toy but the puppy is way beyond 
>"uh-huh" at this point.  I need something seriously unpleasant to do when she 
>bites.  Any suggestions?

>The puppy is a mutt: part Chow, part Lab if that matters

I think the key is to be assertive, not necessarily seriously
unpleasant.  Grab her by the muzzle (not necessarily hard, but firmly
--- the idea is to get her under control, not to hurt her) and look
her straight in the eye while you tell her "No".  Your tone of voice
should say
	"*I'M* the boss here!"  
Repeat until she stops jumping, then praise her for being a good dog.
Remember your dog will grow up to be rather large and strong, so she
must learn not to jump up on people (unless invited to).

My dog is also a part-Chow mutt and he tends to be as pushy as people
will let him be.  When I have visitors he often tries to intimidate
them by pushing and nudging, but the grabbing by the muzzle and making
firm eye contact seems to work.  I can make him go sit in the corner,
but the other person really has to do assert themselves before he
gives up and accepts them.  My Mom was able to do this right away,
but my sister's ineffectual backing off and "no , no" just seemed to
encourage him.









--

 Maureen O'Halloran
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: On Late Night TV!
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:11:41 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <C182ME.M5K@news.cso.uiuc.edu> schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu writes:

> I don't think I was dreaming! ;)  But over the weekend I was watching
> TV late at night and I saw an ad put out by AKC. The ad basically  
> <ad described>
> Anyone else seen AKC commercials lately????

Yes, I have seen that one before (not recently, though).  It is given to local
TV stations to run as a "public service announcement" at no charge to the AKC
(that's why its late at night).  Most stations wouldn't be caught dead running
a free public service announcement during prime daytime hours when they can
sell 15-second time slices for megabucks. :-)  Check out the other late-night
public service ads (like from the USAdvertising Council).  You'll never see
them on during the day either. Stations only run these to meet the FCC
requirements for community/public service programming. :-) 

However (suggestion for those with time to kill) -- many Cable Operators
provide facilities for "Public Access Programming", including studios,
equipment, and training for those members of the public who want to use them.
You -- or your local breed club, or whatever -- can produce programming on
(e.g.) responsible dog ownership; training issues; canine health; humane
society orphans awaiting adoption, etc., and show it on your local Public
Access Cable TV station.  <The same station that many of the religious groups
show their non-professionally produced programming on, or that smaller
communities sometimes televise their school board meetings, etc., on, or that
community colleges sometimes show educational classes on.>

If you really have some time & some other folks who are interested, it can be
kinda fun to learn how to operate all the videocam's, editing & splicing
machines, scripted voiceovers, music dubs, etc., and to produce your own TV
show.  It only takes a couple of hours to learn to use the equipment,
especially if the cable operator has a helpful & knowledgeable technician
helping you out.


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: New listserv group - LymeNet
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:57:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

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