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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatlefest blows it!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:39:31 GMT
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In article <1h7qctINNj65@transfer.stratus.com> bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
>
>I wanted to pass on an experience that a friend of mine had with the
>Beatlefest people.  

[story deleted]

>Well, here it is, Dec 22, and NO books.  He called Beatlefest this 
>morning, and they said "One book is out of stock and the other book was
>never sent.  There wasn't any note about it being a rush. Sorry."
>
>I'm embarrased because I recommended them in the first place.  

[Bruce's call deleted]

That is certainly very odd.   Usually when placing an order they can check
what is and is not in stock immediately.  (I know, when placing a credit
card order, I've been told "X item is not in stock, would you like to be
placed on the waiting list?")  However, they hire a *lot* of temporaries,
and is the case with temporaries, they are very likely to screw up.  (And
unfortunately, had you gotten through to the Lapidos's, all they could've
told you is that they were *very* sorry, and possibly offered your friend 
some free credit -- or the head of the operator, if you/he were the mean and
vindictive type)

>Anyway, if you do any Christmas shopping from Beatlefest, I recommend you
>be careful, because they really don't run their business in a very 
>business-like way.

The problem does not lie with the Beatlefest folks, instead it lies with
trying to order *anything* through the mail at Christmastime -- a frustrating
quest with the best of companies...

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: slchb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: *RE: Wow! A decent Stereo mix?
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:49:25 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

I made a big boo-boo in my previous posting about listening to Revolver and
Rubber Soul [Wow! A decent Stereo mix].  I left out that I was listening to
the CD versions of the Albums, it was the CD stereo mix that I was thoroughly
disgusted with.  My point was that by using the "simulated" stereo mode of
my Pioneer A/V receiver that mix became much more "natural."  Instead of
the voices being exclusively on one channel and the music on the other, the
simulated mode balanced the music on both channels and put the voices towards
the center.  This makes the CD's much more listenable.
    For those interested in articles concerning the mixing of the CD's I have
a number of journal citations which cover the controversy surrounding the
mixing of the CD's.  Just E-mail me.  Cheers!  G. W.    IN%"slchb@usu.edu"
From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John Sinclair
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:09:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel U. Holbrook) writes:

>I was just listening to a tape of some tunes off of a friend's John
>Lennon CD, somne box set/big hits deal, and there is a song about
>freeing some guy named, I believe, John Sinclair.  Can anyone tell me
>who he was and what the deal was?  Thanks

The song is from John's _Some Time In New York City_ album (not to be
confused with _Live in New York_).

It is protesting "Sinclair's imprisonment for ten years for possesion
of a very small amount of marijuana" according to "Working Class Heroes"
by Stannard & Tobler.

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
From: slchb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Wow! Beatles w/ a decent stereo mix?
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:22:01 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Was listening to my Revolver and Rubber Soul the other day and again was 
thoroughly disgusted by the Stereo mix.  However,  I was fooling around with
my Pioneer A/V reciever and switched to the "Simulated Stereo" mode.  I had
the headphones and Wow! What a difference.  It created a far more "natural"
stereo mix.  I went through song after song and they almost all sounded
a thousand percent better.  Cheers!
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From: lukoff@hardy.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff)
Subject: Re: fantasy:Digital 8 track release.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:24:50 GMT

In article <BzqIIx.1K8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris) writes:
>Have you heard the entire 11-minute or so version?  I've never seen that out.
>Where is it available?  The longest I've seen is just over 8 minutes, available
>on Ultra Rare Trax 5 & 6.  At any rate, I didn't know this was Yoko screaming
>- I thought it was Paul's young daughter, wasn't it?
>How much unreleased stuff is ruined because of Yoko?  Are you really just
>talking about "What's the New Mary Jane"?  Nothing else comes to my mind that
>has Yoko in it.  What else is there?
>
>- Jeff ("All you gotta do is ask for it, nicely.  Say pretty please,..you're
>         gonna get it, all right, you're gonna GET it!" - John)
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Harrison/McCartney
Keywords: Paul, George
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:00:03 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (jeffrey brent morris) writes:

>Of course, there is one known McCartney-Harrison tune in existance:
>"In Spite of All Danger", the B-side to their very first record,
>"That'll Be the Day".  I've never heard this, nor heard of it being
>heard by anyone!  But I do remember some band at one of the Liverpool
>conventions was going to play it one time - how did they know it?
>Has anyone ever heard "In Spite of All Danger"?  Also, as far as I
>know, only just over a minute of "That'll Be the Day" has really been
>heard.

Yeah, the lyrics are:

In spite of all the danger- I told you big bad bulldog
In spite of all the danger- You've got less trouble than meeeeee
In spite of all the danger- Leaving you astray on the road to Mandalay
In spite of all the danger- Friends know that your love is all you got
In spite of all the danger, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I'm doing nothing but aging.  

     Or, I may have it confused with some other bootlegs ..... :-)


>I did hear that Paul had this original 78 digitally remastered and
>distributed 50 copies to friends as Christmas presents a couple of
>years back.  I don't know if this was both sides, or just the A.
>Anyone know?
>Why are we being denied these recordings?  Well, many others, too,
>for that matter.  Let me post elsewhere on that...


In Macca's documentary about Buddy Holly (HIGHLY recommended), he
plays the first part of "That'll Be The Day" on a record player.
It sounds very scratchy- very poor technical quality, which is
not surprising, since it was basically a "make a record of your
voice" type record like you see at amusement parks.  I would imagine
that there are all kinds of legal problems to getting the record
released, and that Macca is not interested in releasing it due
to its poor quality.  Also, early Lennon-McCartney compositions
are pretty cruddy if you ask me.  (Hello Little Girl, Like
Dreamers Do, etc.)  Macca says in his Lewisohn interview that
George did not write the song- he was given composer's credit
because of his guitar solo.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Xmas
Summary: Happy Xmas!
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:36:43 GMT


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Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 11:15:40 MST
From: <AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatlefest blows it!
Distribution: world

In article <1h7ue3INNqra@menudo.uh.edu>, edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s.
chen) says:
>
>The problem does not lie with the Beatlefest folks, instead it lies with
>trying to order *anything* through the mail at Christmastime -- a frustrating
>quest with the best of companies...
>
I am sorry to have to disagree, but the problem and blame does indeed lie
with the company. Blaming it on the Xmas season, is no excuse. It appears
that several mistakes were made:

1) They said an item was in stock and it wasn't (or they gave it to someone
   else).
2) They didn't immediately notify the customer of their mistake.
3) They didn't ship the other item either.
4) They did not think the incident was important enough to offer an apology
   and compensation.

My impression is that this is not some gigantic corporation, so if they
can't keep track of their limited inventory, they are simply not doing
a good job. In addition, service-oriented firms will do their best to
correct their mistakes and keep them from happening again.

I have not dealt with Beatlefest, so I don't know their "track record,"
but this incident, and their reaction to it, is disturbing to me. I
try to avoid stores that treat customers so cavalierly. Allen
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 15:05:57 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: unheard Beatles alternates

In article <randall.724551344@seashore> you write:
>I always wondered where the bootleg material comes from.  The
>various alternate takes on the Yellow Dog CDs sound like they
>came from the master tapes.  Did someone at EMI leak the tapes?
>If so, why didn't they leak all of them, including the various
>ones discussed in the previous article?

According to articles on bootlegging published this year in the UK press,
the security used to be very lax, and the tapes used to be "borrowed" at
night, and returned the next morning. One magazine claimed that the
nightwatchman (note singular) at one studio (possibly EMI) was very easily
bribed (the magazine described how, I won't :-) ). Also, they said that 
"house hippies" associated with recording companies were involved in 
"liberating" unreleased sound recordings and artwork.

I'm starting to think I should hunt this article up and type it in. This
is at least the second time I've described it here.

Cheers,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Smothers Brothers
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:58:53 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
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In article <1992Dec22.174852.26803@netcom.com> bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz) writes:

>I just read that the cable channel E! is going to start braodcasting
>the old Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour reruns starting Jan. 4.
>In the article, it mentions that the Beatles were guests on one show!
>I never heard of this performance; anyone know what they did.

The "Hey Jude" and "Revolution" promo films premiered in the US on the
Smothers Brothers show.  Clips of the "Hey Jude" film were used in the
SB 20th anniversary special aired a few years back (and repeated recently
on E!).

ObLennonQuote: (well, not really obligatory)  "I never really liked all
the Smothers Brothers reunions.   It reminded me too much of the 'Bring
Back the Sixties', and 'reunite the Beatles' crap."

[John, on the infamous Troubadour experience with Harry Nillson]

<ESC>
-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: buddy holly & the beatles
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:45:10 GMT

Didn't the Beatles do Words of Love (which Holly did)? I think they also
did another Holly song on their very first album.
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From: jbmorris@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Morris)
Subject: other strange things
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:25:09 GMT

Speaking of strange things in Beatles records, what about the 15KHz tone
at the end of _Pepper_?  I keep hearing that it's supposed to be above
the range of human hearing, and was put there for only dogs to hear.
Well, last I checked, human hearing range is generally accepted to be
20Hz-20KHz, so 15KHz IS in that range.  I hear the tone myself, both on
the CD and the original LP.  Do most people hear it, or am I the only one?
Why do they keep saying it can't be heard by humans?

- Jeff ("I never go see any other one." - Los Beatles)
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: george, ringo, john, and ... buddy?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:16:56 GMT
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In article <1992Dec30.063247.28572@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:

>the question is, what might have happened is buddy holly hadn't died in
>feb 1959?  my friend suggested that we would be talking about 'the
>american invasion' of british music, and the beatles would be 'just
>another local skiffle band with a local following.'  buddy holly,
>at the rate he was writing songs, would now have enough money to
>buy the elvis presley catalog, and spend the change on houston, texas.
>
>any opinions?  
>

The answer is "probably not".

Despite the popular myth, the pre-1964 music scene in the U.S. was not
only the Bobby Rydell's and the Fabian's, but also Motown, the California
bands, and the beginning's of the folksy "protest" music.  In short, there
was some good music being made on this side of the pond.

As far as Buddy is concerned, he may have reached a peak by the time he left 
the Crickets in late 1958.  Because he was killed so quickly thereafter, we can
not really say what might have happened.  

Holly's (and Presley's, and Berry's, and Perkins') influence had already been
felt across the pond.  No matter how good any subsequent music might or might
not have been made by these men, the "American Invasion" was over and done
with by 1957.

So, what does all this mean in answer to your question?

Namely, that had Buddy Holly lived, he probably would've continued writing
and performing.   However, there are no guarantees that he could've kept up
his pace, particularly considering the fact he was suffering from financial
troubles at the time of his death.  But, even if he had continued to produce
high quality music, he probably would've been only another voice (albeit,
probably a very popular one) in the pre-Beatlemania landscape of American
music.

As far as the Beatles were concerned, nothing really would've been changed by
Holly continuing to live.  Everything would've been exactly the same through
their release of "I Want to Hold Your Hand".  It is really pointless to 
speculate whether Beatlemania would've taken hold in the US (or at least to
the extent it eventually did) -- but I say it would have.  Why?  What the 
Beatles presented to the world in 1963/4 was American rock 'n roll (from the 
*fifties*) filtered through their uniquely British (Liverpudlian) 
personalities and sensibilities.  Again, this would not have changed.  Perhaps
the biggest change in this alternate universe is that Holly would've pioneered
the era of singer/songwriter/producer -- making it much easier for the 
"British Invasion bands" to later take that same mantle.

<ESC>


-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles video list
Date: 1 Jan 1993 18:33:11 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
NNTP-Posting-Host: evolution.bchs.uh.edu

As promised late last year, what follows is a list of Beatles and
solo videos.   The list is not meant to be definitive, and the opinions
are mine, and mine alone.   However,  it is fairly comprehensive, and
covers pretty much anything you'd run across for sale or rent at your
local video hut.

The last part of the article is a "wish list" of projects known to
exist, that would make excellent video releases.  This list includes
my list of the Beatles promo films, some unreleased material, and some
television specials.

...and away we go!

<ESC>


-- 
Something in the way she moves, attracts me like a pomegranate.
                                     -- George Harrison
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatlefest blows it!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:30:37 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
Distribution: world
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I wanted to pass on an experience that a friend of mine had with the
Beatlefest people.  

He called up two weeks ago to order two books for Christmas gifts.  He
offered to pay for next day shipping, because he really wanted to make
sure they would arrive on time.  The woman on the phone kept saying 
that it wasn't necessary to do that.  My friend said repeatedly that the
cost wasn't an issue, he just wanted to be sure.  She joked that if
they don't arrive on time, she'll personally drive them up to Massachusetts.

Well, here it is, Dec 22, and NO books.  He called Beatlefest this 
morning, and they said "One book is out of stock and the other book was
never sent.  There wasn't any note about it being a rush. Sorry."

I'm embarrased because I recommended them in the first place.  

I called them up to tell them this myself, and they said, "Well all we can
do is say 'sorry'".  I asked to speak to Mark or Carol, who were not in.
Surprising, considering they must be pretty busy right now.....

They had phone numbers (an 800 number at that) for my friend, and could 
have easily called, but they just didn't do it.

Anyway, if you do any Christmas shopping from Beatlefest, I recommend you
be careful, because they really don't run their business in a very 
business-like way.

Bruce


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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: unheard Beatles alternates
Keywords: studio, alternates
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:15:44 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I always wondered where the bootleg material comes from.  The
various alternate takes on the Yellow Dog CDs sound like they
came from the master tapes.  Did someone at EMI leak the tapes?
If so, why didn't they leak all of them, including the various
ones discussed in the previous article?

I know that the bootleg "Get Back" stuff comes from acetate
and from the unused film soundtrack.  But the other stuff sounds
too good to be from any other source than the master tape.


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From: faciane@huey.met.fsu.edu (Dave Faciane)
Subject: Re: unheard Beatles alternates
Organization: Department of Meteorology
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 12:42:14 GMT

In article <8756.9212241505@csparc12.scs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk writes:
>In article <randall.724551344@seashore> you write:
>>I always wondered where the bootleg material comes from.  The
>>various alternate takes on the Yellow Dog CDs sound like they
>>came from the master tapes.  Did someone at EMI leak the tapes?
>
>According to articles on bootlegging published this year in the UK press,
>the security used to be very lax, and the tapes used to be "borrowed" at
>night, and returned the next morning. One magazine claimed that the
>nightwatchman (note singular) at one studio (possibly EMI) was very easily
>bribed (the magazine described how, I won't :-) ). Also, they said that 
>"house hippies" associated with recording companies were involved in 
>"liberating" unreleased sound recordings and artwork.
>
>I'm starting to think I should hunt this article up and type it in. This
>is at least the second time I've described it here.
>
	Please do, if you get the chance!



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From: Taxman@f99.n121.z1.fidonet.org (Taxman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Smothers Brothers
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:06:42 GMT


 BL> I just read that the cable channel E! is going to start braodcasting
 BL> the old Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour reruns starting Jan. 4.
 BL> In the article, it mentions that the Beatles were guests on one show!
 BL> I never heard of this performance; anyone know what they did.

As I recall, the film version of Hey Jude was played.

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
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From: dave@galaxia.network23.com (David H. Brierley)
Subject: Beatles info archive site?
Organization: Dave's Very Own Personal System
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:28:34 GMT

At one point I seem to recall that someone had a whole bunch of Beatles
info files available either for ftp or some archive server.  I don't
seem to have saved a copy of the message and I don't know if it's even
still valid.  Would anyone who knows of such a site please let me know
where the site is and how I access it?  In particular, I am looking for
a discography listing all Beatles/John/Paul/George/Ringo albums along
with their original release dates.

Thanks in advance for any help.  You can either email me directly or post
to the newsgroup if you think others are interested.  I will make sure I
keep up with my newsreading for the next couple weeks.
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