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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: S.O.S.: Rascals (2)
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:13:40 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Nov9.031432.24729@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
>Just had to be different, didn't ya Mike? :-)

Sorry, I've been storing grades on a 0.000-to-1.000 scale in my own rating
database for months now, and I'm kind of loathe to change at this point.
Especially since the ratings can be easily converted. :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Not a model man, not a savior or a saint.
Imperfect in a word, make no mistake.
But I give you everything I have.  Take me as I am...
					- King Crimson, "Model Man"
From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: taken too quickly
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:13:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

Yep. The ship was taken too quickly. Ricker was apparently out of it.

In TOS "Errand of Mercy", the E was being fired at by many klingon ships...
a FLEET of them were involved in the struggle. Sulu followed his orders, and
after returning fire, he WARPED out of ORBIT!!!  

SULU did not have his ship taken. RIKER did. I think it's time to suspend
his holodeck privledges for a while...


-- 
Joseph P. Wetstein                  __|__          "I may be Captain by
jpw@coe.drexel.edu              ---o-(_)-o---       rank, but I never wanted
                                                    to be anything else but 
KA3VJY						    an engineer" - Scotty
From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STVII: Kill Kirk !
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:13:00 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
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In article <BxK5Ju.2x2@cosy.sbg.ac.at> bjelli@cosy.sbg.ac.at (B. Jellinek) writes:
>the subject says it all:
>
>i feel that kirk character has failed to grow old with dignity. since
>STIII i can only pity him. just think of the beginning of STV, where
>he tries to climb that rock. it's really just sad.
>
>so my proposal is: kill him off. Let him die like a hero.
>make it better than Ripley in Alien 3. better than T2. better than Kahn.
>Then let Spock speak at the burial. 

Actually, I'd like to see this, tho for different reason.  Have him die
(in some heroic scene, to satisfy all those acolytes-of-Kirk out there),
but he has to be "alone".  I.e., Spock, McCoy, Scotty, are nowhere to
help or hear.

Then the foreshadowing of ST5 -- "I've always known I'd die alone" --
can be fulfilled.

(What?  Continuity?)
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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Subject: "Rascals" *SPOILERS* AAAIIIIEEEEEEEGGGGHHHH!!!!
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:14:22 GMT


Spoilers for "Rascals:"

Hey, I have as much ability to suspend disbelief as the next person, but
c'mon!  Will somebody please teach Paramount some basic biology!?

1)  Okay, so these double-talk genetic fragments disappear.  Why does this mean
that 50% (+/-) of their cells suddenly disappear?  (An adult has more cells 
than a child.)  Why did the existing structures of cells change?  As far as I 
know, the transporter does *not* work by rebuilding people from zygotes...

(And which cells disappeared?  Furthermore, most of the cells they had as
children were long since dead anyway, so it's not a simple matter of "all
the cells they gained after 12 vanished.")

2)  Removing or altering DNA, RNA, or *whatever* from cells will not suddenly 
alter a person's appearance.  Period.  The person may die, get weird tumors 
when their cells divide, or some other gradual effects, but structures which 
are in place stay in place.  (i.e. if you removed all genetic code involving 
my liver from every cell in my body, I would still have a liver.  It wouldn't 
just disappear.  It might rot away, but this would most certainly not be 
instantaneous.)  (My girlfriend, Glenda, is a microbiologist and was just
cracking up at all the biological idiocy in this episode.)

*sigh*  I really *do* like TNG, but I wish they'd get some good episodes
for a change this season.  If I cut three fingers off one of my hands, I could 
still count all of this season's good episodes on that one hand.  No more
transporter accidents!  No more holodeck malfunctions!  No more plots where
our highly trained crew flounders around like they are Pakleds!  Sheesh...
-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
From: rryan@panix.com (Rob Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard/Data are they going going gone?
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:43:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1deqthINNns0@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> bylsma@unixg.ubc.ca (Dieder A. Bylsma) writes:

>Okay, I'm new on this newsgroup thing and came across a number of
>allusions/comments that implied that Picard/Data are going to be leaving
>the show. Is this or isn't this true?
>...

I don't know about Brent Spiner, but I've heard that Patrick Stewart (sp?)
is going to be taking a few episodes off.  Possibly so that he can work on
"A Christmas Carol" on stage, but I'm not sure.  Anyone else have ideas?

-- Rob
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From: jseboldt@pnet51.orb.mn.org (John Seboldt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: 1st Annual Data's Poetry Contest
Date: 4 Nov 92 03:08:54 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger) writes:
>We could have several "divisions", one for each type of poem Data was
>supposed to have delivered, and judge them on lack of emotion, rabid
>attention to meter and rhyme, and general awfulness.
>  
>Anyone game?

We could at least have a contest in transcribing them accurately from the tube
-- that can be an art in itself, as I found out with the cat poem in
"Schisms"...

:John Seboldt...Mpls, MN...As a ham, K0JD...as a human...well,...   :
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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals: Have a heart?
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:46:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Nov10.094604.12376
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <92314.135012CH8305A@auvm.american.edu> CH8305A@auvm.american.edu (Charles Hessenius) writes:
>
>
>One problem I had was how easily they talked past the ability
>each had to live their lives over.  Considering that the ability to
>be young with the knowledge of adulthood is a universal fantasy, more
>than just a little lipservice should have been given to it.  I'm not
>sure even the noblest among us would not at least consider the possiblity
>of getting about 40 new years of life.

Perhaps, but most of us would not want to spend those extra years as a
child.

Also, if the crew accepted Wesley as a quasi- and then full member
>of the Enterprise crew at his age (voice barely changed) then what's
>the problem accepting Picard?  Is there age discrimination in the 24th
>century?

I don't think so, but there certainly is some in the 20th century.

Marg

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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: Holodeck etiquette (or lack of it!)
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:32:30 GMT

|Here's a point to ponder...
|What if the holodeck simulated a small planet.. Riker and Picard start
|moving in opposite directions, Riker to the left/Picard to the right.
|So, eventually they should meet each other on the other side of the planet
|and be facing each other.  How would the holodeck get them turned around
|and facing each other on the other side of the planet?
|
	The "floor" is a force-field treadmill.  If it has to turn you around
to make the simulation work, it will.


Dennis F. Heffernan  dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com e4461005@apollo.montclair.edu
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From: cfmcgarr@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER F MCGARRAH)
Subject: Guinan
Originator: cfmcgarr@c00470-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cfmcgarr@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER F MCGARRAH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:14:51 GMT


Just a curiosity.  Is it possible that Guinan is a Time Lord from the
Dr. Who series?
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From: Leigh_MacKay@mindlink.bc.ca (Leigh MacKay)
Subject: Re: STTNG is really weak
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:11:18 GMT

Henry! Lighten up!  It's a TV show!

Should they slap the show together as unentertaining video fodder for a
minority?

The Enterprise is a plastic model on a stand in a sound studio.  How could
any episode be real.  Realistic--maybe--but real.

Henry, get real!


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---------------------------------------- Leigh_MacKay@mindlink.bc.ca
-------------------------- New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What is an Okudagram?
Keywords: Okudagram
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:14:36 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Nov6.061820.2340@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>In article <1dcqoqINNbap@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, bylsma@unixg (Dieder A. Bylsma) writes:
>>Could someone tell me what an Okudagram is?
>
>Mike Okuda is one of the people who work on TNG.  If you watched the 25th
>anniversary special, you would've seen that one of his jobs is to come
>up with the computer displays we see in various shots.
>
>By common usage, these graphic displays are called Okudagrams.
>

Okudagrams are legendary.  Much of the text is unreadably small on TV, but
real text needs to be there for it to "look right".  Mr. Okuda, who is
reportedly a fan of Anime, drops frequent references to Anime characters
and locales and other bits of whimsy into the filler text.  See the ST:TNG
Companion just published; I think there is also mention of this in the
Tech Manual.



-- 
det@phlan.sw.stratus.com   |  "Laddie, you'll be needin' something to wash
                           |  that doon with."
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From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Subject: Re: Rascals.....my favorite line & spoilers
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:57:30 GMT

























Not only the roommate line, but what about the hug for Daddy? That was 
really rofling time!


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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *S*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:22:36 GMT

mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
:)I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir


(synopsis removed)

:)Finally! Continuity! (RED ALERT)  The introduction of the flute, Spot,
:)'Ode to Spot'....Many of us have been dying to see this.  Spot had a good
:)part in this episode too..

I especially liked Spot's part since I was working on chemistry homework
before the episode and my cat, Lorandra, was doing the EXACT same thing. :)

:)This was a cute episode.  There were a lot of laughable scenes, and not
:)too many bad ones.  Lets say its not necessarily a BoBW or YE, but it
:)definitely qualifies better that CoL. :)

So would my cat's litter box.  :)

:)And Alex....well lets just say he wasnt there for THAT much of the 
:)episode.

Let's be fair... he's gotten a LOT better these past two episodes. No
whining, and he actually was kind of funny "No no no! That's too easy!"
Personally, I found it funny the little kid telling the big Klingon his
enemy was too easy.  :)

:)At least the holodeck was necessarily a crutch in this one....it was 
:)used well.

Used VERY well. Probably one of the best holodeck usages there's been.

:)The techno part of this made the most sense of any TNG episode this season!
:)Basically, some of data's mems switched with the ship's library.  Big
:)wooph.

Made sense, was plausable, and easy to explain to the audience.

:)Rating: 8.5 out of 10    Still not enough SF for my tastes....also
:)the cheesy ending brought it down....'Riding off into the sunset' was 
:)definitely not needed.

Ack... I forgot about that when writing my review. I also now remember
hearing the western-style guitar in the background of the closing music.
That I could have dealt with, but you're right about the sunset bit.

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From: pjb@cci632.cci.com (Phil Busardo)
Subject: Re: Religion and Star Trek
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:48:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.012425.13371@polari> thespis@polari.online.com writes:
>
>In the episode "Who Watches the Watchers" (title corrections 
>grudgingly welcome) in which the primitive people think that our
>favorite CO is The Picard, a deity, didn't Picard vehemently make the
>point that religion was just a nasty superstition which these nice
>people could well do without?
>
I remember an episode where Bev is says, "Oh Wesley, thank God!"
Anyone remember which episode?
From: liz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (PostMistress General)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals opinion (I liked it!)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 05:52:57 GMT
Organization: WPI - land of the warlorded .sigs!
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


Spoiler protection here...



OK, OK, so sue me...I liked it!



I thought this was a really funny episode.  Yeah, the plotline has been
used before.  So what?  The child actors were excellent, and made this
episode worthwile.  They had the mannerisms of their adult characters down
pat.  I loved it when Picard threw a temper tantrum...it was so Picard-like
to straighten out his jacket in the middle of it.  *grin*  It was even
better when Riker and Picard hugged at the end of their talk, both
with the dumbest of smiles on.  I died laughing.

A lot of people were upset because the Enterprise got defeated rather
easily by the Ferengi-manned Klingon vessels.  They were *surprised*, 
folks!  They were not expecting to find two Klingon vessels, and
they certainly weren't expecting to be fired upon.  And yes, Worf
got off one shot, and then got blown away.  He always gets blown away!
Why is everyone so surprised by it this time?

Technically, the show was a bit lame...I will admit that.  But, if you
ignore that aspect, the show is rather likeable.  Granted, I would
prefer that ths show be likeable *and* technically accurate, but you
can't have everything.  

Is anybody else besides me *not* looking forward to the Wild West episode?

				Just my two cents,
					--Liz

--
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From: 6500njk@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Nicholas Kibre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST communist? (was religion)
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:43:47 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current

Though such a society need not be inherently nonreligious, I tend to
suspect that religion has fairly well withered in Star Trek since
it is clear that they are living in a Marxist utopia.

We have often heard that deprivation of the necessities of life has
become a thing of the past.  (Consider the episode; I can't remember
the name; where the Enterprise crew discover a ship containing
a few 20th century Americans, and have to explain to them how
things have changed.)

One thing which I do wonder about, and which ST does waffle a bit on,
is whether money still exists, and if so in what contexts it is used.

Anyway, there is no reason why this has to exclude religion from ST, 
but its profound humanism would seem to run counter to it.  Still,
I'm sure not everyone in the federation thinks alike, and I suspect
its diversity leaves room for a church here and there.  And it is
certainly possible that the Klingons, Romulans, or other alien groups
might retain some of their old customs.



The proposition that ST is communist may offend some netusers.
If you are one of them, please respond!

Nick

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From: follick@jemez.eece.unm.edu (Jeremy Follick)
Subject: Re: Romper Room Trek Review
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:03:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



Warning: Trying to rationalize treknology may be harmful to your mental

Continuity.



         health.
--
*Jeremy Follick                                   follick@chama.eece.unm.edu
*
* All opinions expressed above are my own and should in no way be considered
* the opinions or policies of the Federation Council or Starfleet Command.
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Star Fleet; is it military
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:15:41 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: alamo.intel.com
Originator: smintz@alamo


I have been informed that star fleet isn't a military orginization, I always
thought it was, they address each other in military ranks, and can be court
marshaled.....
any thoughts?
Stephen
From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (An Erik Estrada hate monger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: K_I_RK
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:37:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx7wF9.7J1
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:

>Obviously, the "u" and the "i" are adjacent on a qwerty keyboard.  I can't 
>type, and I don't care! 

>Greg
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ED-Beta: Simply Bob.
(A transmogrification stolen from Duke and Bobby Hurley)

Are we ripping on the non-typists again?  Didn't that finally get put into
the official nettiquette posting?  Sheesh, can we grow up a bit 'round here?

If you're gonna rip on somebody, rip on the  for liking Beta, if they are so
inclined and if that isn't just a clever sarcastic .sig.

-- 
Jason A. Lindquist		University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana				"You could return to the Academy, take another degree,	  linky@uiuc.edu	 brush up on your Latin,"
			"And be Wesley Crusher's roommate."
			  --Deanna Troi, Young Jean-Luc Picard, "Rascals",
			    Season Six
From: andra@franklin.bchs.uh.edu (andra barrow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: recurring TNG plots
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:06:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Nov9.190619.27684
Organization: University of Houston

>  
> It seems to me there are certain plots which get re-cycled over and
> over again in TNG.  For example:
[list deleted}
> In my insufficiently humble opinion, the best episodes are those which
> do not fit into these formulas.

In case you hadn't noticed, there is _nothing_ new under the sun. Everything is  
a recycled version of something else. The delight in watching TNG is the  
cleverness with which said recycling is done.:)

Andra Barrow
andra@transposon.bchs.uh.edu

~minimalist sig.
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: Rawdon's musings on virginity
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:29:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.144816.25573@ll.mit.edu> eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J.  
Austin) writes:
> 
> In article <rawdon.721285018@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu  
(Michael Rawdon) writes:
> |> I was wondering whether Keiko, Ro and Guinan had become virgins again  
(well,
> |> at least in Keiko's case it would have been "again" :-)  Since Picard's
> |> hair returned, it doesn't seem far-fetched.
> |> 
> |> -- 
> |> Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
> |> University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI
> |> 
> An interesting question, not so much for the question itself but for
> what it says about the asker. Picard's hair status is an easily observable
> thing. Exactly what physically observable thing would you expect to  
indicate
> the virginity of Ro and Guinan. No, I am not asking anyone for a lecture
> on anatomy. I know perfectly well what you are thinking of, but you are
> very mistaken if you think this is a true indicator of virginity. Why not
> ask the same question about Picard, the question is about as meaningful
> about him as about them.
> 
> Keiko is, of course, a different case. There are clear physical changes
> that occur after a woman has given birth. Forensic medicine uses these
> indicators to determine whether a woman had any children by looking at
> her skeleton. I imagine that the 12 year old Keiko would not have had 
> these indicators.
Ahem, Guinan has children too. She has mentioned them several times in the  
series.