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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:30:33 PDT
From:         David Duis <duis@BENT.WPD.SGI.COM>
Subject:      Liveaboard to Saba, N.A., for experienced divers only

Hello!  If you're an intermediate to experienced diver, you may be
interested in the following trip.

**** There are only two spots left, so please drop me a note soon if you'd
**** like more information.


I've chartered the top-quality liveaboard M/V Caribbean Explorer to
visit the tiny island of Saba, July 4th-11th.  If you're a good diver
and want to visit an island that has truly rewarding diving, come to
Saba.  DON'T waste another vacation with a cattle-boat trip to Cozumel
or Grand Cayman, come to Saba and experience the untouched pinnacles
of her sheer volcanic scenery.

To give you an idea how pristine the diving is, I spent over 20 hours
underwater there and saw only four pieces of damaged coral.  Saba's
marine park was one of the first in the Caribbean.  As a result, the
area is truly untouched, and the fish are wonderfully curious.  The
landscape is amazing: the island is so steep that there are no
beaches.  This kind of amazing topography continues in the awesome
offshore pinnacles rising up from 3000 feet.

Definitely among the top 3 dive spots in the Caribbean, with pinnacles
to blow your mind.

The final price is $2085 ($1295 boat + $790 air) including: R/T
airfare from San Francisco (separable), 8 days & 7 nights on this
top-of-the-line custom liveaboard, unlimited diving for 6 days, food,
drinks, air, and more air....

Again, no novices allowed!  Won't that be a nice change from your last
dive trip?  This will make the diving run much more smoothly, get us
to the best dive sites, and ensure that everyone has a full repertoire
of fish stories to tell.

This will be the trip to top all other Caribbean trips.  Don't miss it!

Any questions?  Want more information?  Drop me an e-mail note.


Talk to you soon,

Dave Duis                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
duis@bent.wpd.sgi.com		  Better diving through computers.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:17:00 EST
From:         "BEVERLY MITZEL - 'Ass't. Director,
              Media Services'" <MITZEL@CTSTATEU.BITNET>
Subject:      NERVOUS NOVICE

Well, after "listening in" to your discussions for the past 6 months, I finally
did it...I signed up for a PADI course here in Connecticut.  I have done a lot
of warm water snorkeling over the years, and took a resort course in SCUBA in
Maui last July...I was hooked (so to say).
I go to my first pool session tomorrow and we do our OW dives the first weekend
in May.  I have a few questions that most of you have probably heard a thousand
times, but if you don't mind, could I ask some more novice questions?
We were to ld that we will need to purchase our own mask, snorkel, fins and
boots...question 1: which snorkel???To purge or not to purge...? Can you suck in

water through that seal? Am I better off with the "traditional" type?
Question 2: I wear contact lenses, and I have folled the discussion that was on
the list concerning lenses...mine are gas perm, so for the moment, I should be
fine...Does $60 for the mask and $70+ to install prescriptions seem about right?
Question 3: BOOTS...I can get REALLY cold...so I am concerned about keeping as
warm as possible at all times...Do the newer boots that have the tennis shoe
type bottoms keep you warmer and dryer...or just make walking on rocks a little
easier?
One more question:  Our OW dive will be in Jamestown, RI.  Water temp. isexpecte

to be about 50 degrees.  To make myself a HAPPY camper, should I invest in a
hood and gloves?

I intend to become serious at this...and am interested in becomming an UW
photographer/videographer since I already do that for a living...I don't want to

"skimp" on materials or equipment since I expect to advance in my diving
education...Can anyone here lend a hand?

Thanks,
Beverly :)
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:21:07 EDT
From:         Doug Wright <DWWX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: nervous novice

In response to Beverly Mitzel's novice questions:  I like having a purge
on my snorkel, makes clearing a whole lot easier.  They won't leak until
the purge gets old and unpliable, but that took ten years on mine, so
you're pretty safe until then.  Even then the replacement only cost a
dollar.

In addition to the other comments on boots, you might want to get boots
without zippers, most people say they are warmer, i.e. keep out the water
better, but they are harder to get off and on.  If you do get zippered
boots, you might try to find the ones with a neoprene flap behind the
zipper that is suppose to keep out water.

As to hood and gloves, DEFINATELY buy, rent, steal, etc. otherwise your
head will feel like it is going to explode in that temperature water.
If you really get cold you might want three fingered mitts instead of
regular gloves, or get gloves that come way up your arm and may/may not
have a tightening strap that helps keep out water.

I agree with the others that you shouldn't skimp on regs, bc and wetsuit,
you'll be much happier with high quality equipment and safer.

Have fun with your class!!

Doug Wright, PADI diver
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:33:23 EDT
From:         kthorne@ADMIN.CABOT.NF.CA
Subject:      Second Hand Diving Equipment

Does anybody out there know any vendors of used diving gear.

I have been searching throughout this country (Canada) for same and as yet
have  been able to locate just one shop that deals in second hand
equipment.

If there are others (here or in the U.S.) please let me know. Include full
mailing address, phone, and fax if possible.

Many thanks...

KThorne@admin.cabot.nf.ca
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:01:49 PST
From:         Peter Brueggeman <brueggep%sandnet.UCSD.EDU@SDSC.BITNET>
Subject:      No Subject Given

          Kelly, regarding endorphins and diving journal articles, you
          found me out.  I haven't viewed the actual articles
          themselves so I cannot speak for their contents.  I am the
          reference librarian at Scripps Institution of Oceanography,
          stumbled over those references while searching for other
          information, and thought SCUBA-L might be interested.  I
          sometimes disclaim myself by stating th.at I actually don't
          know anything but DO know how to.look anything up.  So, you
          have to get the journal a.ticles to find out more
          information!

          Pe.er Brueggeman, pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu

>>pb>Here are some inter.sting references from the medical
>>pb>literature examining wh. we feel so good after a
>>pb>dive.......Peter Brueggeman, Scr.pps Institution of
>>pb>Oceanography Library, pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu

>I am unfamiliar with medical journals.  Are the data se.s reported in
>the articles?
>Randomly,         ____
>Kelly /unningham (_/\_)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:18:57 ADT
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From:         E4LJ000 <E4LJ@UNB.CA>
Subject:      Newfoundland Diving

     I have the possibility of spending a week of my summer in
Newfoundland this year.  I was wondering if anyone on this net
lives in Nfld?

     I am on the mailing list for The Drivers Free Press and the last
article on the four cargo ships that were sunk during WWII in Conception
Bay has really peaked my interest in Nfld diving.

     Thanks for any info....


Jacques Albert
E4LJ@UNB.CA
University of New Brunswick
Fredericton, New Brunswick
Canada

     ps. Just as an add-on, today we are getting a presentation
         from Roberta Bondar, Canada's first female astronaut.
         I know that most astronauts list diving as there first
         hobby that inspired them for space.  I wonder if space
         is identical to water, in its feel I mean.....
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:43:09 CDT
From:         John=Hirvela%EMC=Srvc%Eng=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      re: diving and endorphins

Regarding Peter Brueggeman <brueggep%sandnet.UCSD.EDU%SDSC.BITNET@brownvm post
on endorphins:

There was a recent Science News article on the effect of submersion of the
face in water.  The effects were along the lines of reduced blood pressure,
lowered stress, etc..  Not being a biology type [medical type?], I don't know
endorphins from aspirin, but wonder if the abstracts and the article are
related.  As I recall it was facial contact with the water alone that
produced the effects.

Rgds,

John=Hirvela%EMC=Srvc%Eng=Hou@bangate.compaq.com
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:49:45 EDT
From:         Doug Wright <DWWX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject: RE: PADI video scuba courses

In regards to the recent discussion on video scuba courses, my original
instructors sent me a newsletter saying that they are introducing "PADI's
new Open Water Video Scuba Course".  The way it sounds, instead of having
to go to their store for classes, the students instead will take home
videos that cover everything taught in class.  Then when they do go to
the store, the instructors do a review, give the module quizzes and then
proceed to the pool to apply what they have learned.  Supposedly, new
divers can be certified in as little as two weekends, instead of the five
weeks that I remember.
   To me this sounds like a really good idea, since most of the class work
was spent watching slides and trying to stay awake :-).  It would also
be useful for people whose schedules never coincide with the scuba class.
Are any of you PADI instructors on the list doing the same video classes
or don't you like the idea of video replacing the classroom work?
  Comments, remarks, etc. would be appreciated.

Doug Wright, PADI diver

P.S.  These videos are also suggested as a valuable review source for
      certified divers.
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From: reed@surf.eng.yale.edu
Subject: Looking for dive buddy Fla Keys
Organization: Yale University, Dept. of EE
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:18:22 EST

Looking for dive buddy, Florida Keys, early June. No novices. 
Also interested in info on best sites. 
Reply reed%surf@venus.ycc.yale.edu

m. reed PADI AOW 
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:37:00 EDT
From:         Doug Wright <DWWX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Weather in Belize AND Ohio

In response to BKING question on "where is Belize":  It is on the eastern
side of the Yucatan peninsula bordering on Guatamala and Mexico.

In regards to his other question on diving in Ohio, it all depends on
where in Ohio you plan on diving.  A shallow lake could be relatively
warm, while Lake Erie would still be pretty cold.  A 1/4" wetsuit would
probably be required for either situation.  Water temperature could be
anywhere from 40-60 F depending on location.  Don't forget hood and gloves
just to be on the safe side.

Doug Wright, PADI diver
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:19:10 PDT
From:         Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Well, I am PADI now

I just go back from The Hood Cannal in Washington state. The vis was
good at about 40-60 feet. At any other depth it was blind man's bluff.
A good way to have a open water cert dive, no?
   Anyway, I took my own Harvy's wet suit and I was very warm where
others were having problems with cold feet. I had hood, boots and
cold water mits. Everything went well, but we did have one woman
start to panic when she was trying to do a secondary regulator
test and she grabed the regulator and failed to get it out of the
holder. She started to gulp air and went into throws. The instructor
hit her mouth with his reg by the grace of god. He calmed down in a few
seconds and we went along with the dive. That was about the strangest thing
that had ever happend to my instructor, so he said. Moor later...
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:01:49 PST
From:         Peter Brueggeman <brueggep%sandnet.UCSD.EDU@SDSC.BITNET>
Subject:      spare air

          An interesting product review on Spare Air appeared in the
          February/March 1992 issue of SPORTDIVING IN AUSTRALIA AND
          THE SOUTH PACIFIC (p24).  Interesting in that the review
          appears to be an honest evaluation noting Spare Air's
          limits.  The review reads much like past discussion on
          SCUBA-L about expected breathing times with Spare Air from
          various depths.

          The reviewer, John Lippmann, believes that the 3 cu.ft.
          Spare Air model is useful for dives shallower than 27 meters
          and goes on to note that "....it may not always supply the
          respiratory demands of a diver panicking at depth...... will
          necessitate a faster than recommended ascent from a deeper
          dive....divers planning deep or penetration dives require a
          much larger emergency air supply".
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:28:00 EDT
From:         "Tony.Kuhlman" <ADP64@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      diving and endorphins

John=Hirvela%EMC=Srvc%Eng=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM posts:

>Regarding Peter Brueggeman <brueggep%sandnet.UCSD.EDU%SDSC.BITNET@brownvm
>on endorphins:
>
>There was a recent Science News article on the effect of submersion of the
>face in water.  The effects were along the lines of reduced blood pressure,
>lowered stress, etc..  Not being a biology type [medical type?], I don't know
>endorphins from aspirin, but wonder if the abstracts and the article are
>related.  As I recall it was facial contact with the water alone that
>produced the effects.

I also have heard of the physiological effects caused by submerging the face
in the water.  I heard it in context with the Mammalian Diving Reflex, the
name given to a collection of effects found in mammals, especially those who
spend a lot of time in the water.  Amoung other things, it's supposed to cause
reduced blood flow to the extremities and non-vital organs.  Reduced blood
flow conserves body heat in the trunk.  In extreme cases I'm told that only
the brain, heart, and lungs will get blood supplied to them.  I guess you
don't have many organs much more vital than those three.

  MDR has been linked to some of the cold water near-drownings you may have
heard about.  In extreme cases, people have been underwater and away from ANY
air source for something like 30 minutes, and been revived without major
injury or damage.  I believe there was a case like this a year or two ago on
the waterfront in Chicago - a young boy, about 9 years old, slipped and fell
into icy water in winter.  He disappeared under the water and was found 20 or
30 minutes later, not breathing, as I remember.  Can anyone in the Chicago
corroberate this?

Tony Kuhlman
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:46:00 EST
From:         "BEVERLY MITZEL - 'Ass't. Director,
              Media Services'" <MITZEL@CTSTATEU.BITNET>
Subject:      THANKS FOR NOVICE TIPS

WOW...
I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD GET SUCH A BIG RESPONSE FROM ALL OF YOU!  I REALLY
FEEL LIKE I'M NETWORKED.  I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE POOL SESSION TONIGHT.
I FELT LIKE I WAS KIND OF RUSHED INTO BUYING MY GEAR, AND WISHED THAT I HAD TIME

TO THINK IT ALL OVER...BUT IT WAS ONE CLASSROOM SESSION AND BOOM...IN THE WATER
FOR THE SECOND SESSION 2 DAYS LATER...I HOPE THAT I HAVE MADE SOME GOOD CHOICES,

THANKS TO ALL OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS.

WISH ME LUCK TONIGHT...I'LL REMEMBER NOT TO HOLD MY BREATH...:)

I KNOW THIS IS DEFINATELY PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE...BUT I'M SURE THAT
I WILL CONTINUE DIVING AND LEARNING ONCE I GET MY C CARD AND GET
COMFORTABLE...WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY ULTIMATE GOAL...UNDERWATER VIDEO AND
PHOTOGRAPHY...

I AM A PROFESSIONAL VIDEOGRAPHER BY DAY...HAVE BEEN FOR 14 YEARS, SO I
ULTIMATELY WANT TO GET ONE OF MY CAMERAS IN THE WATER...THE OTHER QUESTION IS:
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME ABOUT THE PADI SPECIAL COURSE IN PHOTOGRAPHY?  DOES IT
INCLUDE VIDEO?  HAS ANYONE GONE THROUGH IT?

AFTER I GET MY C CARD, AND SPEND THE SUMMER EXPLORING AND GAINING CONFIDENCE,
HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT TO PERSUE THIS GOAL?

ANY SUGGESTIONS ON UNDERWATER HOUSINGS FOR HI 8 CAMERAS?  I'VE SEEN THE SONY,
BUT IT SEEMS THAT IT IS ONLY A POINT AND SHOOT MECHANISM...SINCE I HAVE A LOT OF

EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, AND A FULL PRODUCTION FACILITY, I'M INTERESTED IN A
LITTLE MORE CONTROL...A LITTLE MORE "PROFESSIONAL".  IS THIS OUT OF THE
QUESTION?

THANKS  AGAIN!

BEVERLY MITZEL
BITNET: MITZEL@CTSTATEU
NEW BRITAIN, CT.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:10:30 EDT
Reply-To:     Nick Simicich <njs@watson.ibm.com>
From:         "Nicholas J. Simicich" <njs@WATSON.IBM.COM>
Subject:      NAUI AI Swim requirements
              "RWU%MATTEC.INTEL.COM@brownvm.brown.edu"

I think that Ron was right, and I was wrong.

Nick Simicich (NJS at WATSON, njs@watson.ibm.com) -SSI AOWI #3958, HSA #318,
NAUI #14065 - "We're working to turn 'to bush' into a verb."
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:06:58 EDT
From:         "Nicholas J. Simicich" <scifi!njs%castle@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Beer rules

In article <9203301627.AA07582@relay1.UU.NET> Steve Weingart writes:
>In  <9203262124.AA05109@cpunk.watson.ibm.com> "Nicholas J. Simicich"
><njs@WATSON.IBM.COM> writes:
>> I apply soda rule (for next class, so that there will be soda for
>> everyone on the break) to mask on forehead (you can lose your mask
>> when boat diving), tank standing, weight belt left on thing other than
>> ground, not holding mask on entry (except controlled seated).  I bring
>> the soda for the first class, never have to for any subsequent class.
>>
>> I don't apply it to not blowing bubbles.  Generally, I feel uneasy
>> about trivializing that by making it a beverage rule violation.
>> Generally, I sort of think that things that are likely to cause you to
>> lose equipment are soda items.  Someone once commented in a class I
>> was teaching that if they did a certain thing and had to be rescued,
>> it would cost them a case of soda.  Kind of made me think, and I
>> decided to strictly limit what woujld be a beverage offense.
>
>Sorry Nick, there is some inconsistancy in your line of thought.
>Leaving a tank unattended is *very* dangerous, just as not blowing bubbles
>is dangerous.  Either act can lead to someone's sudden injury or death.
>If the valve were to hit a dock or rock as a tank falls,.....you know
>this stuff....

I've thought about this issue for a few weeks, and I have to admit
that I'm wrong.  I'm still not sure that you are right.  It may be
that I just won't do 'soda rules' anymore.

--
Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:16:00 EST
From:         MSDGAB@HOFSTRA.BITNET
Subject:      Bahamas Diving

   I'm planning a trip to Grand Bahama towards the end of August.  I'd
appreciate any info on dive sites/operations, and conditions at that
time of year (vis, etc.).  We are planning the shark dive and maybe
the dolphins with UNEXSO.  Any comments/suggestions ??

                                          THX in advance,

                                               --  GAB --
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:03:47 EDT
From:         Doug Wright <DWWX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Looking for Laura Jacobs

Hate to waste bandwidth, but if Laura Jacobs of the University of Washington
is still on the list, could you send me your address, all my mail to you
keeps getting bounced.

Thanks,

Doug Wright   DWWX@CORNELLA.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:05:00 CDT
From:         Deb Cullison <A20DLC1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Diving & Endorphins

Tony writes:

> MDR has been linked to some of the cold water near-drownings you may have
>heard about.  In extreme cases, people have been underwater and away from ANY
>air source for something like 30 minutes, and been revived without major
>injury or damage.  I believe there was a case like this a year or two ago on
>the waterfront in Chicago - a young boy, about 9 years old, slipped and fell
>into icy water in winter.  He disappeared under the water and was found 20 or
>30 minutes later, not breathing, as I remember.  Can anyone in the Chicago
>corroberate this?


Yes, I can corroberate this....it actually happened about about 4 years ago
now and I can't remember the actual submersion time but I know it was
close to the "1 hour golden window" limit that the MDR gives us.  The little
boy's name is Jimmy Tontalwits (can't remember the spelling).  About a year
ago there was a special aired in the Chicago area detailing what had gone
on and at the end of the show they interviewed Jimmy and his family.  Today
he is completely recovered with no ill-effects.

Deb Cullison
Dive Rescue Specialist
PADI Divemaster (in training)
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:05:27 CST
From:         Douglas Eder <C900@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      re: diving and endorphins

John--

The face-in-the-water link to lowered blood pressure is almost
certainly the well known "diving bradycardia" reflex that occurs
in marine mammals. Such animals as seals and whales greatly reduce
blood flow to the extremeties during diving and, as a result,
the heart slows down (= bradycardia). Human babies during birth
demonstrate the same reflex to a remarkable degree. Human adults
display similar, albeit weakened, responses to facial stimuli,
especially immersion in cool water. Presumably, diving bradycardia
allows diving mammals to survive breathholding much longer than
would otherwise be the case. This phenomenon was studied extensively
in the 40's-60's by Scholander, Irwin, and others.

Whether the reflex is mediated by the endogenous opioids has not,
to my knowledge, been determined.
                             ----Doug
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:32:42 -0400
From:         "Chaiken, Joe" <jchaiken@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>
Subject:      subscribe

hello.  is this the right address?  i would like to have my name added to
scuba-l.
thank you.
Martin Villarica
rmavilla@mailbox.syr.edu
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:33:09 GMT
From:         Mr Bill Louw <blouw@ZIMBIX.UZ.ZW>
Subject:      May I join
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Dear List Owner.

I would very much like to SUBSCRIBE SLART-L BILL LOUW

Please let me know if this will be possible?

Regards,

BillLouw
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