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From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: OS/2 Advertisements in Dr. Dobbs Journal
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:36:17 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

IBM advertised OS/2 2.0 developer's tools in January '93 Dr. Dobbs Journal.

Strangely, in a double page ad on pp. 26-27 Workframe/2 is offered at
discount to $295.00 total cost through 9/5/93; however, in a single page
ad on pp. 55 Workframe/2 is offered at $895.00-$520.00 = $375 through
4/6/93.  It sounds like the Workframe/2 offer has been extended through
September 5, 1993 at $295.00 but either that information hasn't filtered
down through all IBM advertising agents and/or the original advertisement 
couldn't be changed because a contract was signed to run the original ad
without changes over a several month period (a common advert arrangement).

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From: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: SGI-GL in Windows NT?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

..> It's Silicon Graphics Graphics Language.  It's one of the nicest
..> graphics languages on the market (so I've heard -- I've never used it).
..> What this means is NT will have 3D graphics built-in.

You're damned right you've never used it. If you tried to run this on a
486/50 you'd understand the meaning of the word 'slow'. SGI is entirely
hardware-reliant. Today's PC's just don't have that kind of guts in them.

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From: furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod)
Subject: Re: SGI-GL in Windows NT??
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 08:30:21 GMT

In article <dlcogswe.726552612@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell) writes:
>furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod) writes:
>
>>When did 3D graphics become a necessity for a good OS ? :)
>
>With that attitude, I guess you'll be sticking with DOS. :-) :-)
>
>
>-- 
>Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"
>
>
I only use it to make money. :) The real fun comes when I get to
play with OS/2 and UNIX.

But seriously, what is the necessity of requiring a 3D graphics
language as part of an OS offering. It's a tool that has it's place
in apps, but I see no usefulness at this point in time of requiring
inadequate video hardware to support it. (Silicon Graphics, etc.
excluded, ofcourse).

I have run Renderman on my 486, (yes I have a masochistic streak),
and I have played with several 3D rendering and modeling packages,
and they make really pretty pictures, but there needs to be a
conceptual premise for requiring 3D as a more effective means of
communicating basic functionality of the machine and environment
itself. I have yet to see one instance where that is the case.

...Paul


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From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (alann lopes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: No TrueType Fonts in OS/2 2.1 ?!
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:51:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan7.193312.16367@clark.dgim.doc.ca> tennesen@mars.dgrc.doc.ca (Andy Tenne-Sens) writes:
>
>I'm disturbed, however, that a recent posting stated that IBM has decided
>not to support TrueType scalable fonts.  Does anyone out there know if

  Andy, Win 3.1 in OS2 2.1 does indeed support TrueType fonts. I've got them
  working in my Windows apps.

          alann

  
   alann lopes:        alopes@ucsd.edu       -- internet
   (619) 534-5438      ALOPES@UCSD           -- bitnet
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From: helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! :)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:20:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.054247.23899@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yiupun@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yiupun Michael Kwong) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec29.192253.13045@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
|> >
|> >Does it though?  Why arn't there any more DRAM manufacturers in the US?
|> >Why can't you buy a "Made in America" camera any more?  Why does Sony and not
|> >GE make the best CD players?  Our manufacturing base, strangled by
|> >regulations _including_ the antitrust laws, just can't compete with the giant
|> >vertically integrated companies of Japan and Korea.  The antitrust laws prevent
|> >the pooling of resources which are necessary to create the next generation of
|> >consumer electronics.
|> >
|> >And unless we arn't vigilant now, our software companies are going to go the
|> >same route as our manufacturing base.
|> 
|> Japan is no less regulated than the US.  Better regulated maybe.
|> Look at MITI.  It actively engages in setting an industrial policy, and it
|> orchestrated Japan's entrance into consumer elctronics.  Look what it has
|> done.

Agreed, Japan's government and business are in bed together in a way which
makes us look positivly laissez-faire. What Japan _doesn't_ do is bash companies 
over the head if they get "too big" or "too successful."  Instead of punishing
success, they reward it.

|> I don't necessarily believe in government intervention.  Too much of it
|> definitely will choke development.  However, to say that all govt.
|> interventions is necessary bad is as much a dogma as to say a big brother
|> type government should be implemented.  And just as unfounded.

Agreed, I'm not saying that _all_ government intervention is necessarily bad, 
just _this_ particular kind of government intervention is bad.  
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:07:07 GMT

In article <8285@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.040712.3797@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>>     Jay, this tactic of branding everyone who doesn't agree with you
>>as "trying to work for MS" is getting really tiresome.  If you can't
>>address the points made in the posts, why bother to post this kind
>>of drivel?
>
>Because I cannot fathom why someone would leap to the defense of sucvh
>obviously bad, monopolistic practices as MS engages in unless there's
>something in it for them. You're hardly an unbiased judge of the situation.
>-- 

Because we are not like cows being led to the slaughter.  Some of us own
businesses--and look at a "brother" company being harrassed without
(it appears) good cause... and we say to ourselves "hey, that could be
*us* in five or ten years."

Some of us own businesses and don't have a battery of lawyers to tell us
if a particular action is FTC-compliant or not--some of us have to rely
on our own ethics and common-sense; when we see what we perceive to be
a "legal" action being defamed, can we not rightly question "why?"

The precedent is there; in the name of "freedom of speech", some argue
that we have voted away the right.  What applies to large businesses
(such as Microsoft, IBM, and, yes, Standard Oil and AT&T) in the eyes of
the law apply to Mom and Dad's Corner Camera Repair as well.

Joe
My opinions.


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From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft the next Standard Oil?
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:54:40 GMT

In article <8322@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.225618.8531@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
>>In article <8305@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>>On the other hand, a company _can_ put another company out of business. Who
>>>needs guns?
>>That makes as much sense as saying that if few persons applied for
>>a single job, the successful candiate made the rest unemployed.
>
>I'd say the same thing if the successful candidate used unfair tactics to get
>the job.

If the successful candidate increased his/her employment probability
by becoming more marketable, went for many interviews, wrote nice 
resumes, convinced employers that he/she is valuable to them, would
you say that he/she is forcing the other candidates into unemployment ?


Dov


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From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:42:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ialibINNbl2
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

L. Mekenkamp writes:
>Ehhhm, Intel does seem to have some *undocumented* stuff though. Wasn't there
>an instruction around that wasn't documented?

The 286 introduced the LOADALL instruction, which laoded all the registers,
including the segment base and limit registers.  What was useful about this
was that it worked in real mode.

Thus, by using LOADALL to load a segment base register in real mode, real mode
code could directly access memory up to 16 Meg.  The segment base register is
added to the address in real mode -- it is just normally meaningless because
these registers normally contain zero in real mode.

Intel (followed by everyone else) used this instruction in boot code.  For
example, consider Unix boot code.  The boot code is going to run in real
mode so that it can use INT 13h to access the boot device.  Yet it wants
to load Unix in memory above a meg.   What it thus does it use INT 13h
to read sectors into the first megabyte, and then use LOADALL to get access
to where it wants to pu the data, and then copies the data there.

I believe that things like XMS/EMS memory managers for the 286 also used
this to access physical memory above a meg from real mode.

Because so much code used LOADALL, they had to include it in the subsequent
processors.

As far as NeXTStep not working on a 386, I don't think that has anything to
do with undocumented instructions.  My guess is that NeXTStep needs a lot
of CPU power to run smoothly, and NeXT wants to limit it to 486 systems
because those are more likely to have the necessary power.  They could
make it run on 386 easily (the differences are minor, and should only affect
a small number of routines in the kernel), but it would look bad on a 386,
and that might damage sales.  Note the number of people who complain about
Windows NT performance based on seeing it on underpowered systems, and the
number of people who wrote off OS/2 after seeing it thrash on 4 Meg systems.
A company might do better to have their system thought of as one that
runs well always but requires certain hardware, rather than have it thought
of as a system that sucks on a lot of machines, but doesn't require certain
hardware.

--Tim Smith
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft the next Standard Oil?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:09:05 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1993Jan4.225618.8531@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
>In article <8305@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>On the other hand, a company _can_ put another company out of business. Who
>>needs guns?
>That makes as much sense as saying that if few persons applied for
>a single job, the successful candiate made the rest unemployed.

I'd say the same thing if the successful candidate used unfair tactics to get
the job.

-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
      "Science is all in the public domain, and allows few secrets."
              -- Tom Clancy, _The Sum of all Fears_
From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Academic Marketplace -- OS/2 2.1 as "The Scholar's Workstation"
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:32:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

Would someone in contact with Dr. John A. Soyring at IBM Personal
Software Products please ask him to send me a telephone number or
fax number or some other means to respond to his query regarding
this posting?  My email to his internet address bounced a couple
of times.  It may be better to try corresponding via non-internet.

Thanks, AJ

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Principal Investigator
Neuroscience Image Analysis Network
HEDCO Neuroscience Building, Fifth Floor
University of Southern California
University Park
Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520

Telephone:  (213)740-3406
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From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: No TrueType Fonts in OS/2 2.1 ?!
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:22:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: San Jose State University, Math & CS

In article <jcmorris.726600869@mwunix> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>Path: sjsumcs!octopus!satyr!apple!voder!gatekeeper.nsc.com!psinntp!psinntp!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!jcmorris
>From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
>Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
>Subject: Re: No TrueType Fonts in OS/2 2.1 ?!
>Message-ID: <jcmorris.726600869@mwunix>
>Date: 9 Jan 93 17:34:29 GMT
>References: <1993Jan7.193312.16367@clark.dgim.doc.ca> <96122@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> <1993Jan7.221102.5932@ais.com> <1993Jan8.160458.15864@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>
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>rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes:
>
>> [ yet another TrueType - vs - PostScript discussion ]
>
>>                          MS's TT engine is slow - very slow.  So slow
>>in fact that Corel actually built their own TT rasterizer for CorelDraw
>>because their customers were complaining about how slow TT font printing
>>was.
>
>I don't have any particular inside info on this issue, but it seems more
>likely that the special requirements of Corel -- in particular, the ability
>to take a rendered glyph and allow the user to manipulate the individual
>primitive elements which are used to produce it -- would require a special
>engine for *any* font technology.
>
>Normally, if you want to use the character "A"  on a computer, your program
>needs only to manipulate the single ASCII byte 0x41.  In a WYSIWIG system,
>you also need to know the vertical and horizontal extent of the rendered
>glyph, but that's all: you send the ASCII character to the output device
>without any interest in the number or characteristics of the lines and 
>curves which are used to construct the glyph.
>
>In Corel, however, you have the ability to manipulate the rendered glyphs
>as graphic elements, so there are special requirements placed on the
>interface to any scalable fonts...and thus the need for a special driver.
>
>The same comments would apply to Adobe's TypeAlign program as it uses
>PostScript T1 fonts.

Well, TT, Adobe Type 1, and internal CorelDraw objects are all
described as Bezier curves.  In order to manipulate a character
glyph, you *MUST* convert it from TT/Type 1 to CorelDraw's internal
graphics format.  Since CorelDraw handles its own graphics elements
at printing time, it makes no difference whether the converted
element was originally TT, Type 1, or a build-your-own.  In other
words, the TT/ATM engines will never see it.  Nice try.  

>Comments?
>
>Joe Morris
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From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Re: Bill Gates:  What a weenie...
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:39:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.060918.23367@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>To summarize, I would strongly recommend that people at Microsoft and
>Gates he a touch of reality. Life isn't all about Bit and Bytes. And
>for Gates, a man who hasn't seen a woman since Sputnik, I would
>recommend to visit the Texas Ranch, since nothing else seems to work.
>
>I think I have found the answer to why Gates can not get a date. This is
>it:
>
>There was once a young sailor named Gates,
>Who did the fandango on skates.
>He fell on his cutlass,
>Which rendered him n**less,
>And practically useless on dates.
>


What an attitude. Here sits a man who built a successful company 
from scratch, and trying to explain how he did it. Rather then 
listening and trying to learn something, you are ridiculing
him because his ideas dont fit your world view. Why did you bother
viewing the interview ? Does it give you some emotional gratification
to ridicule someone else ?


Dov
From: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft steals TrueType
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:42:20 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b1205amac8.larc.nasa.gov

 In article <19360@mindlink.bc.ca> Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright) 
writes:
>> R Douglas Botimer writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Lets not spread true FUD here!  TrueType wasn't developed by Microsoft,
>it was stolen BY Microsoft from Apple.  Apple invented TrueType.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hugh Whalen    replies
"Stolen? Stolen???!!!! Oh, wait a minute .... I think I'm getting it 
now .... Microsoft craftily gave money to Apple to develop and use 
TrueType .... yeah, that's it .... when Microsoft does this it's .... 
it's theft .... yeah. How sneaky. Those crafty bastards. What *will* 
they think of next? Let's get the FTC to break up those felons before 
they strike again!"

Microsoft traded Apple thier postscript clone technology for Apple's scalable 
font technology (TrueType). Microsoft obviously has made good use of the 
trade, whereas Apple has not released a non-Adobe postript printer. Apple was 
still partially succesful, their technology is becoming more widespread and 
Adobe was forced to open up their font technology and lower prices. It would 
appear on the surface that Microsoft came out way ahead on the deal, but that 
business, not theft.

My $0.02
Wally Vaughn
The above are my opinions not NASA's not the US Governments, and they may 
even be wrong.


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From: rbotimer@max.ct.gmr.com (R Douglas Botimer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is an OS/2 newsgroup!
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:47:46 GMT

In article <1il9apINNamu@gap.caltech.edu>  writes:
:Geez, all the articles being posted have very little to do with OS/2!
:This is comp.os.os2.advocacy, not alt.flame.microsoft!  If you want to  
:bash microsoft, do it in one of the MSDOS or Windows newsgroups, there are  
:quite a few to speak of.  Here, speak of the merits of OS/2.
:
:Tej Kasturi
:kasturi@cco.caltech.edu

Depends on who you talk too.  Those that are MicroSoft in the head think this  
is alt.flame.ibm.os2.

Doug
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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: FCC will proclaim Microsoft is run by Communists! : )
Date: 08 Jan 93 02:06:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <wiegand.726331939@lido16> motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net writes:
>philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>
>>     This assumes that MS-DOS is an open system.  I don't believe
>>that it is.
>
>Oh really - is this the official Microsoft policy? My impression was
>that Microsoft has promoted MS-DOS and Windows as being open systems.
>Are you saying that Microsofts promotion of MS-DOS and Windows has
>been less than totally honest?

     Sigh.  Read my .signature.  It was on the post you replied
to, and every other post I've ever sent to this newsgroup, but
I guess you must have missed it.

			-Phil

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From: kuhnle@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Jochen Kohnle)
Subject: Syquest SQ-5110
Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, W.Germany
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:45:14 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: roland@margaret (David A. Braun)
Subject: I've got the 2.1 beta, now what do I do with it???
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:53:10 GMT

	I just received the OS/2 2.1 beta/PDK on CD-ROM today... Can someone  
tell me whether I can install this directly off the CD or if I will have to  
copy it to disks?  I have a Texel 3024 CD-ROM (This is compatable, I knoow) and  
two SCSI controllers that I can use it on... a PAS-16 and a SCSI card made by  
"Storage Plus Incorporated"... any help, pleeese...

<roland> David A. Braun
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