From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami)
Subject: Re: NUKE IRAQ
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:18:43 GMT

In article <4732@daily-planet.concordia.ca> ilyess@davinci.concordia.ca (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>In article <oeVR2UK00WB685wEZW@andrew.cmu.edu> re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein) writes:
>>Ilyess writes:
>>Saddam couldn't care less about his people.. The U.S intentionally
>>spared him to let him crash the shiites. So the war was not about
>>Saddam and his little aggression, it is about Iraq and its resources
>>and economic and military power, which if they fall in the hands of really
>>hostile forces (to Israel that is) such as an independed  democratic
>>
>>
>>I say:
>>Why would an independent *and democratic* leadership of Irak be
>>hostile to Israel ?  When did Israel agress the Irakis and what do
>>Irkis themselves have to divide with Israel ?
>>
>
>I realize that my statement was not obvious for anbody who is
>not familiar with the Arab Israeli conflict, but I thought you
>should know.
>
>It is a fact that most (if not all) Arab dictatorships are
>not sincere about anything including the conflict with Israel. They
>always offer lip service to the Palestinians while stabbing them
>in the back and benefit from the situation to prolong their
>reign of terror just because they are "War-front states.."

Your assumption that somehow backstabbing the Paelstinians is the
other Arabs' hobby and if they only wanted they would wipe Israel to
the sea is RIDICULOUS. if they could wipe Israel they would have and
their insincerity and treacherousness will not stop them. Being sincere
is not enough - this is what Nasser claimed at Faruq and failed even
worse. 

>A democratic government will be by definition sincere (it has to be,
>since it represents the people) and it will pressure Israel into
>giving away to Palestinian demands or face a REAL WAR..
>The superiority of Israel is a myth, because they never faught a
>sincere army that is determined to win. They faught some losers who
>used the conflict to prolong their dictatorship.
>Israel can not survive a month of war, that is why all the past wars
>were so short.

 Democratic Govt. is far from sincere (human nature seems this way)
 You yourself accuse Israel,US with conniving and corrupt ploicies and
 diplomacy. This naivety almost surpasses the next idiocy about Israel
 deafeated in less than a month. Israel will lose/win in less than a 
 month. Major warfare cannot last more than a month except when
 superpowers are involved - Israel had a long wars like Lebanon and
 Yom Kippur (1973). Those were long periods of attrition and guerilla.
 if Israel will lose a war, it will not let it crawl long, she will try
 desperate actions. So don't count on Sieges etc.

>When Israel realizes that it is dealing with real people (hopefully
>before such a war would happen), they will agree to sign a real
>just peace treaty. Any agreement before that is illegitimate and immature.

What do you mean? Saddam is a decoy? Husein/Assad all puppets that
someone put there (the Mossad maybe)? 
"Every nation get what it deserves in leadership" - the people must 
elevate from his dormancy and change govt. 
Israel will be only too happy to make peace with such a new Arab nation.
[although majority of Israelis is ready to risk their security andd
sign treaties with the current Arab nation].

>
>>Rad

David.

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