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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: how can you read the starl
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:03:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Edward!

[esc] >2. 15 years passed between "Space Seed" and "The Wrath of Khan".  (Kirk
>         says so.)

       Kirk and Khan have never been the most reliable of sources ;-)

Why not? Who says that where and when?

       Paramount says TWoK takes place in 2285, or 19-20 years later then

No matter, what Paramount tells: If it is really stated in one of the movies
(I don't remember it that exactly, I'm not Spock nor Data), that would be what
I'd take for "canon". Who tells me, Paramount is a more reliable source than
Kirk himself? <0.5 grin>

So that was your timeline:             and this is mine:

[esc] Space Seed:       2265              ok
      Journey to Babel: 2266              ok
      TWoK:             2285            2270
      EaF:              2364              ok
      Sarek:            2366              ok

Though you're right, the difference is minor, it doesn't disturb the main
line in any way. >8-) (At least: =So far=!)

Oyori - Sem [from nightly cool, dry Northern Germany, not taking this
             matter too seriously (no, not yet sleepy)]

PS: I wish they would have taken more care of the stardates in either series!
    Once I translated the Fasa-timeline for some friends (actually some
    fanzine) into German and found a =lot= of YATIs! Even worse with some
    novels, as far as I heard (I just dismiss this issue usually and don't
    remember any of them), where in a novel-review was stated about "Spock's
    World": "It's the most professional Trek-novel I ever read [okay for
    the author, but =I= disagree, it's unfortunately one of the most boring
    Trek(?)-novels I ever read], but for fans of the <Fasa->timeline, what
    I am, it is most disturbing ..." or something like that.
    [Of course, I translated that timeline, but not completely without some
    comments, grin.]
From: skutvik@sleepy.UUCP ( ECMS TEST)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek sounds
Summary: aaauuugh I don't get alt.*
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:29:59 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <colinm.714684269@cunews>, colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes:
>   If anyone is interested, I'll be posting several ST sounds
> from the various movies to alt.binaries.sounds.misc.  Three
...
> p.s. Don't ask for the sounds via e-mail or ftp.  Thanks.

But I don't get alt.binaries.sounds.misc, can anyone help?  thanx in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: one of the best episodes
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:38:18 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington) writes:
>cmadrid@sedona.intel.com (Corrina Madrid) writes:
>
>>Since there are so many messages regarding what episodes
>>they thought were the worse, i thought i'd write in with
>>the episode of TNG that i thought was the best.  I don't
>>remember the title of the show like most of you do, but
>>it was the episode where the enterprise blew up at the
>>beginning and it ended up being they were caught in 
>>some sort of time loop or circle.  Serious de'ja'vu.  That was an
>>awesome episode!
>
>I think this episode was "Cause and Effect", and I agree with you.

I am compelled to agree with my esteemed colleague from Kansas State
(hi, gang :-), I also liked this episode, although I don't know why.
Dramatically you could argue that it was putrid -- the same scene
repeated over and over.  The funniest part was that -- due to large
amounts of previously consumed Coke -- my roommate managed to feel the
need to use the bathroom at the same point in every replay.

I liked the sense of urgency in this episode.  Knowing that the ship
will be safe and sound for the next episode means that potentially
dangerous situations just don't carry the suspense to an exciting
level.  When you engage an alternate timeline (a la "Yesterday's
Enterprise") or this goofy causality loop, the gloves are off and you
can blow up the ship at will.  Consequently you get to see the crew
and ship react right up to the moment of imminent destruction.  Only
on rare occasions does the crew appear to be fighting for their lives.

The effects were good as well.  I like the close angle on the warp
nacelle as the other ship collided.  Normally explosion effects are
just optical -- you superimpose an explosion and fade out the ship.
Only on rare occasions do you blow up an actual model in TV
production.  I liked seeing pieces of the nacelle break off, the
plasma vents disintegrate, and basic mechanical mayhem.  Little things
like that can add a lot of realism to the show.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | <insert snappy quote here>
From: jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Worst TNG episodes (was Re: Justice)
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:54:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

I agree that there have been some BAD TNG episodes, but for the benefit of
those of us who are original series people, could you just give a few
keywords when mentioning the episode names from TNG?

I havn't seen them 87,000 times like the old ones!

Thanks
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: holodeck sex (was re:
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:37:48 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>What I can't understand is why a person engaging in these sort of things
>doesn't just program the holodeck to shut off if someone else tries to
>come in?

>Yeesh, these are the best and brightest of the future, and they can't even
>remember that.

>(Yes, yes, I know.  It's a *gasp* plot device!)

I was thinking the exact same thing when I was, um, "imagining" what I
would be like in a Holodeck.  If I were there and I were going to be
NAUGHTY (evil grin) I would program to computer to put a security alert
on the door and refuse to open on the first try.  Once the idiot at the
door tries to open it by pushing the buttons, the computer will be
warned and tell you that someone was coming in.  At that point, the
holodeck would automatically change scenes to a giant forest and you
would be conveniently surrounded by bushes just in case you had to put
your pants back on.

Either that or have it automatically change it to pitch black...  Oh a
holodeck within a holodeck...  Confuse the heck out of the guy at the
door.


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Jason Wong
Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET: bernie.wong@canrem.com

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From: ccoprfm@prism.gatech.EDU (Monte Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Planet Earth
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:02:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


 Yea, Diana Muldaur was one of the main characters in this movie.....

She played the leader (well sorta) of this radical feminist (you know the
'women are better', 'down with men', et. al. stuff) group.

  Later,


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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: how can you read the starlog date?
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:18:47 GMT

I watched the StarTrek 25th Anniversary Tape last night and on it Leonard
Nimoy said that STTNG takes place 75 years from the point of STII The Wrath
of Kahn.

Andy


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From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Stardates--from the horse's mouth
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:14:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep2.061437.2751
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep1.144724.8956@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>If the 4 in the stardates stands for 24th century, tehn what happens
>when ST:TNG gets to Season 10? (If that happens), and if not ST:TNG,
>ST:Ds9 then.
>

What then?

In the words of George Herbert Walker John Cougar Mellincamp Bush, "We are
in deep doo-doo city."

Actually, the staff writers from Paramount cut off questions about
Stardates at the seminar.  They expressly told us not to worry about the
technical stuff and to spend our time on plot and dialogue.  They seemed
quite bored by the questions even though the audience was curious.
From: nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Actors' Other Roles [1/1]
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:17:39 GMT
Reply-To: nash@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

In article <rccarm00.715440319@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)  
writes:
> 
>                        Star Trek Actors' Other Roles             Edition 1
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> John de Lancie
> -----------------
> Television:  Star Trek: The Next Generation.
> Pictures:    The Fisher King; Taking Care of Business
I saw John de Lancie on the recent 'Get Smart Returns' movie. He played an evil  
assistant to a general.
From: Roy Wells (Roy H. Wells)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: hugh no longer a borg
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:27:39 GMT
Reply-To: Roy Wells (Roy H. Wells)
Organization: Vitalink Communications Corporation

bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) asks:

>What is everyone thoughts on hugh accepting
>the HUMAN way of life, and not wanting to 
>assemilate all the humans into the borg,
>do you think it will get into the borg,
>or will they erase him before everyone in
>the collective concionce can understand 
>what he has learned.. when the two other
>borg people came they pluged into him, 
>were they erasing him then or what?
>if they accept that they will not be assemilated
>do you think they will become a part of
>the federation?? I think it is great they
>or at least one could realize the human 
>values somewhat.. please comment..

My question is "Why should the Borg accept individuality as a
concept from Hugh?  After all, whenever a race was "assimilated"
(like they planned to do with Earth) wouldn't the concept of 
individuality have been introduced?

Okay, there is a difference, in that this was one of THEM who 
discovered individuality, but the CONCEPT still was known to them.

If the Borg ceased to be a collective, could they even operate 
their technology, or would they make the recent collapse of the 
USSR look like a tea party in terms of social reorganization?

However, it seems to me that the Fed have an excellent basis for 
developing a new weapon against the Borg--create a means for 
remotely damping their communications net.  Cut them off from each 
other and you will disable them.  They would even be unable to "adapt" 
ad they could not intercommunicate to make the adaption...true?


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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha!

[pos] So, how do they explain the number of times Jamie's done it and gotten
      away with it?

First you should state, where =you= think, he actually has broken the Prime
Directive?!!

Oyori - Sem [from again sunny, but not hot, Northern Germany]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Stardates--from the horse's mouth
Summary: What they mean
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 20:29:44 GMT

I've seen a number of  questions about the meaning of stardates.  The Next
Generation Writers'/Directors' Guide, a Paramount publication for those
producing the show, contains the following explanation:

"A Stardate is a five-digit number followed by a decimal point and one more
digit.  Example:  "46254.7".  The first two digits of the Stardate are
"46."  The 4 stands for the 24th century, the 6 indicates the 6th season.
The following three digits will progress consecutively during the course of
the season from 000 to 999.  The digit following the decimal point counts
_tenths of a day_.  Stardate 45254.4, therefore, represents the noon hour
on the 254th "day" of the fifth season.  Because Stardates in the 24th
Century are based on a complex mathematical formula, a precise correlation
to Earth-based dating systems is not possible." page 7.

Hope this helps clear things up.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Worst TNG episodes (was Re: Justice)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.201100.24447@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.172731.9757@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>
>>Well, "Justice" is a particularly rancid TNG episode, but it has plenty
>>of competition even from the more recent seasons.  "Qpid", for instance, stands
>>in my mind as the most vile Star Trek story ever broadcast.  And season five
>>gave us a host of Alexander stories, all of which sucked eggs.
>
>"Qpid" the most vile?  I think you're overlooking "Imaginary Friend" (which,
>probably not coincidentally, had Alexander in it).  Truly, the absolute,
>god-awfulest ST episode EVER.  Bad plot, bad acting, bad for us!

This may sound trite as all hell, but "Cost of Living" still takes
the far and away lead as Star Trek at its worst. No plot, 
no acting. It created a whole new bottom tier for itself.

In the (now second-to) bottom tier, both "Q-Pid" and "Justice" 
shine brightly, as does "New Ground", "Home Soil" and "Royale."
"Imaginary Friend" ain't too far behind, though. What a piece of
trash (as a bit of trivia, Mark Altman of _Cinefantanstique_
rated "Imaginary Friend" the worst of the season, tying with
"Time's Arrow." -- and then gave "Cost of Living" the same grade
as "Darmok", "I, Borg" and "Inner Light." Those who think my 
ratings are strange ought to get a kick out of this issue (plus it has some 
revealing insights into the producers and the way they think.)) :-)


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Green stuff
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 06:50:00 GMT
Keywords: Vulcan, drink

In article <1992Aug28.165935.7788@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> phk@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Pieter Kallemeyn) writes:
>Perhaps you're friend is thinking of the stuff Scotty and the Andromedan (sp?)
>consumed in Scotty's quarters in 'By Any Other Name'.  If you recall, Kirk, 
>Spock, McCoy and Scotty all tried their own methods to break the will of
>the Andromedans, who had hijacked the Enterprise to take it back to 
>their home galaxy.  Scotty's idea was that of intoxication, and when he
>pulled another bottle out of his cabinet, the alien asked "What is it?"
>to which Scotty drunkenly glares at the bottle, then replies "It's green".
>
>Not a favorite episode of mine, but that particular scene is great.

Yes, definitely a great scene. There is a continuity error in it, but not one
that detracts from it.

At one point during the scene, Scotty takes a bottle (presumably empty) and
tosses it across the room toward the doorway. The bottle passes out-of-scene,
and a shattering-glass sound effect is heard. Later in that same scene, Scotty
sinks down to the floor near the door, and we can see the bottle he threw
earlier, completely intact!


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dalessio@rtsg.mot.com (Mario D'Alessio)
Subject: Re: Actors' Other Roles [1/1]
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:30:50 GMT

rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:

>                       Star Trek Actors' Other Roles             Edition 1
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Denise Crosby
>-----------------
>Pictures:    (None Known).
Pet Cemetary


>John de Lancie
>-----------------
>Television:  Star Trek: The Next Generation.
New Mission Impossible (one episode)


>James Doohan
>-----------------
>Pictures:    Bus Riley's Back in Town; Fellowship; The Satan Bug; 
Knight Rider 2000


>Jonathon Frakes
>-----------------
>Television:  Star Trek: The Next Generation.
>Pictures:    (None Known).


>Colm Meaney
>-----------------
>Pictures:    Far and Away.
Die Hard 2


>Marina Sirtis
>-----------------
>Pictures:    (None Known).
Death Wish 3


>Brent Spiner
>-----------------
>Television:  Star Trek: The Next Generation. 
Night Court


>Patrick Stewart
>-----------------
>Television:  Star Trek: The Next Generation.
>Pictures:    The Doctor and the Devils; Dune.
a Shakespear movie (can remember now :-(


>Wil Wheaton
>-----------------
>Pictures:    The Buddy System (debut, 1984); The Curse; 
>	     Hambone and Hillie; The Last Starfighter; Stand by Me.
Toy Soldiers

Mario


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From: heyer@scivax.stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: QVC ST Special 09/08/92 (De Kelley)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:43:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

Below is the preliminary list of items for the next QVC Star Trek Special.
No, I am not affiliated with the QVC Shopping Channel, I just want to let
other collectors know about this. You need to have cable to get this channel.
This is a public service announcement, your mileage may vary, etc....

A Hint: The truly interesting items are the autographed plaques, even though 
they have started to appear at some stores. If you want an item badly enough
and want to make sure you get it before it's sold out, call about an hour
before the show starts.


List of Items for the 09/08/92 QVC Star Trek Special
====================================================
hosted by DeForest Kelley at 2100 - 2400 EDT.

item-#                description                                  price  +S&H
===============================================================================
new items: (prices for these items are approximate)
----------                                                     
A-10178 black satin jacket w/TOS logo (back) & insignia (front)    $100
C-9811  poster "Face of the Future"                                $ 10
C-10659 photo of TOS crew autogr by everybody lim.2500 fram.matted $500
C-10882 TOS rubber stamp set w/wood backs                          $ 50
F-3864  NCC-1701-D cutaway poster PLUS NG Technical Manual         $ 37

old items:                                                    
----------
C-8854  disappearing mug set (2, with Kirk/Spock/McCoy)            $ 27.27+4.72
C-8891  DeForest Kelley autogr. plaque                             $117.00+5.97
C-8920  STVI laser disk plaque                                     $174.00+6.97
C-9533  Kirk/Spock autogr. plaque (lim. 1000)                      $215.00+6.77
C-10751 ST boxer shorts (cotton) M,L,XL                            $ 22.25+3.47
J-16076 25th Ann. coin necklace                                    $ 37.75+3.97

The next QVC Star Trek Special on 10/11/92 will be hosted by Marina Sirtis.
It will be at 2pm ET.  

Items:
------
C-8308  TNG crew photo plaque                                      $ 91.50+5.22

Have fun.
                                             CloudShape

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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Money in the ST universe
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:14:00 GMT
Organization: Berry Communications

ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 18) MONEY IN THE FUTURE

>      TNG "Peak Performance":  Riker is playing strategema against Kolrami.
> Worf whispers to Riker that he has bet a "sizeable amount" on Riker in the 
> ship's pool.

Didn't Worf make a similar comment about Yar in "Skin of Evil"?

>      TNG "Conspiracy":  the planet the starship captains meet on
> (Digitalis B) is said to be owned by the Digitalis Mining Corporation,

It's not "Digitalis".  The name is pronounced "dye-tal-icks".  My best
guess at the spelling is Ditalix.

> C, Pascal, Fortran, BASIC, Assembly Language, Snobol, Ada, APL, Prolog, LISP
> Unix, MS-DOS, ProDOS       .  .   .   .... .  .   .   .   .   .   . Audio/Vid
> ottoh@cfsmo.honeywell.com  :..: .:.:. :    :.' .. :`.': .:.:. :`. :   Star Tr
> hackman@pnet51.orb.mn.org  :  : :   : :... : `.   :   : :   : :  `:  Apple II

What, no OS/2?

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