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From: oneal@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Spaceman Spiff O'Neal)
Subject: Re: Happy the Man info wanted
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:09:46 GMT

In article <6BHauB3w165w@bluemoon.use.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
>  I missed out on the first part of this discussion, but I would be very 
>interested in getting a general description of Happy The Man's music.  
>What style does it fit into, and are there any bands to which they could 
>be easily compared?  Thanks.
>
>     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
>     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa


Happy the Man is sort of a cross between Gentle Giant and Camel, IMHO
-mike

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: THE CURE
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:22:31 GMT

In article <92324.035042MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Slainte mhath is a Gaelic toast meaning "to your health"

Didn't Denny's or Big Boy or some other American fast-"food" dump have
a Spaghetti and Gaelic toast special going a little while back?

All you can eat gaelic toast it said, if I recall. I could be
wrong about all of this though.

If you ask me, it's horrible that they switched from real, home-baked
gaelic bread to this toast nonsense.

BTW, any Grobschnitt fans out there? 

AP
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Best Gentle Giant album?
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:08:31 EST

    I'm interested in buying a Gentle Giant CD, and I'd be curious to hear 
opinions of which album would be the best to begin with.  In particular, 
I'd like to know about the quality of "Three Friends" and "Octopus," as 
those are the easiest GG albums to find.  Thanks for any response.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Crimson: 10 periods, Fripp x USA
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:51:49 EST
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <2603@irit.irit.fr> stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE) writes:

>Probably Fripp's perfectionism was not only not compatible with live
>presentations but also with a group cohesion. Probably when
>he noticed that the Brufford-Wetton formation was going out of his strict control,
>he decided to extinguish the group, coincidently after their tour in
>USA. The result of their tour was "USA", probably one of the best albums of them, but not
>perhaps to Fripp. In this sense I think the Fripp's influence over K.C. was not
>so healthy as I've said before. I do think that the Brufford-Wetton
>formation should have continued, since Brufford and Wetton were wanting
>it, and since the best albums are with them.

I am not sure about best albums, since my personal favourites
are Lizard and Islands, but the point about Fripp disbanding KC
due to the lack of control is quite valid. I remember reading
that he disbanded KC after Earthbound tour, when he
was totally unable to control the group. BTW, this chaos
appeared as well on the record (Earthbound) which sounds like
Cabaret Voltaire or some other structureless postpunk
group rather than like KC.

Misha.
From: ramst11+@pitt.edu (Richard A Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Camel cd questions
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:49:11 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

According to my cd of Mirage, the album Camel was first released in 1973.
The cd of Camel verifies this. Then how is it that the live in 1972 disc
has material from Mirage which wasn't released until 1974! I can't see
Camel just deciding to sit on material like Lady Fantasy and The White Rider.

Later,

Rick

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From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: New Crimso Box Out!!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:05:02 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

I just picked up the new Crimso Box Today, to make you all Jealous...

It is concentrated entirely on the 73-74 years, and is all live.
the recording qulaity is excellent, compared to the slipshod
recordings of the bootlegs of that era. I won't go into a track
listing, but I'll give the essential details..

Disc 1: Palace Theater, Providence, Rhode Island, 6/30/74

Disc 2: Providence Continued, Glasgow Apollo, 10/23/73, 
        Penn State, 6/29/74

Disc 3: Stanley Warner Theater, Pittsburgh, PA 4/29/74
        Penn State Continued

Disc 4: Massey Hall, Toronto, 6/24/74, Zurich Volkhaus 10/15/73

Buy It! The performances are excellent, Fripp throws in another
great book, this time with reviews of "The essential..." in it, and
more recollections. The artwork in the book, on the box, on the CDs
is all first rate. Plus, it concentrates on my fave era of Crimso..
My only complaint is the abrupt ending of some of the masters, mostly
at the end of shows during applause, and at the beginnings of shows. Some 
track times are slightly off, and sometimes some unexpected silence gets 
thrown into the discs (probably just running out of tape), but otherwise
well worth the sixty clams that I paid for it...
-- 
Jason Bilsky   fuzzbox@world.std.com 
"Got enough guilt to start my own religion."
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: DAVID CROSS: MEMOS FROM PURGATORY
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:01:08 GMT

In article <Bxxn3r.37D@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ihodge@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Ian Hodge) writes:

>> "Memos From Purgatory". This is a killing disc in my opinion, I

> By 'killing disc', do you mean really good or really bad?
  
Unfortunately, by "killing disc", I really do mean KILLING DISC. It's
a tragic tale of doom and gloom really, with the ultimate demise
of three people and a shaven yak. Details are still sketchy at the
moment, but I'll have a full report soon. It does involve diapers
stapled above a fireplace and rubber boots filled with cole slaw.

Depending on how you feel about such tragic turns, here "killing disc"
could be construed as really good, or really bad. Uh oh, I forgot
about the ferrets that arrived D.O.A. at the veterinary hospital,
so add 11 more casualties to the list.

Now, please excuse me while I head to the pet shop.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

P.S. Anyone else order a Ginsu 2000 with the patented "stay-sharp"
blade from that infomercial offer? I received mine yesterday, and...
well sir... can't say I liked it! (and neither did the ferrets)
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Prog Christmassongs (Was: Re: ELP's Father Christmas)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:33:40 GMT
	<Nov09.181345.31747@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex

In article <1992Nov05.185241.4160@bmerh85.bnr.ca>,
shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:

   |> I see we have got to that time when all the radio stations and
   |> malls start playing Christmas music. There are not very many
   |> Christmas rock songs, so I'm kind of surprised no one seems
   |> to play ELP's Father Christmas (off of Works Vol. II). BTW is this
   |> off Emerson's Christmas album that was available through Keyboard ?
   |> Anyone know of other good songs that could be played at Christmas ?

Here's the track listing from a tape I made last year.  I quickly ran
out of Christmas songs proper, so I added any songs that had to do
with snow, ice, winter, etc.  don't flame me (i know there is non-prog
in there).

Side 1:  A Progressive Christmas

Prokofiev:  Troika
Squire & White:  Run With The Fox
Pendragon:  Alaska: ii) Snowfall
ELP:  I Believe In Father Christmas
Spy:  Christmas Moon
Aragon:  Solstice
Geoff Downes:  Polar
IQ:  For Christ's Sake (God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen/HYaMerry Little Christmas)
Genesis: Snowbound
Eddie Jobson:  Ice Dance
Kate Bush:  Under Ice
Geoff Downes:  Ice Dance
Paul McCartney:  Wonderful Christmastime
Paul McCartney:  Rudolph the Red-Nodes Reggae
Squire & White:  Return Of The Fox

Side 2:  Christmas Tull

A Christmas Song (version 2 from the Dressing Room Tapes)
Another Christmas Song
God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
Ring Out, Solstice Bells
Jack Frost & The Hooded Crow
March The Mad Scientist ("What do you want for Christmas?  A new polarity?")
Looking For Eden (wise men, oxford st shopping, Christmas in the rain, etc)
Dogs In The Midwinter
Tundra
A Christmas Song (original version)
Another Christmas Song (BBC acoustic version)
McCartney:  Winter Rose/Love Awake ("winter rose"/"snow falls in the winter")
Halloween:  Yule Horror (!)
Emerson:  Silent Night


I realize now I could have included UK's "Alaska"!


Of course, Jon Anderson and Keith emerson have great Christmas albums!

Any more suggestions?

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Happy the Man info wanted
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:14:10 GMT

In article <6BHauB3w165w@bluemoon.use.com>, buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
|>   I missed out on the first part of this discussion, but I would be very 
|> interested in getting a general description of Happy The Man's music.  
|> What style does it fit into, and are there any bands to which they could 
|> be easily compared?  Thanks.
|> 
|>      Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
|>      Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa

One of the few American prog bands. Excellent musicianship, lots of
different time signatures, these guys could play ! Kit Watkins (keyboards)
was with Camel briefly and you can see why, HTM sounds a bit like Camel.
I'm not crazy about the vocals but these are mostly few and far in between.
Get the HTM _Retrospective_ CD - well worth it !
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis)
Subject: Giles Giles and Fripp
Keywords: Cheerful insanity
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:12:08 GMT

Resently I read something in an old issue of Record Collector about "The 
Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp being released on CD. Has anyone 
seen it?

Reinder D.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jepp@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Petersen)
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:33:26


In article <2604@irit.irit.fr> stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE) writes:

> If you find any sense in the "Incantations" and "Hergest Ridge"
> titles, please tell me. You know it's very common this kind of stuff
> in progressive rock. I    can remember other groups' titles like
> "Ummagumma" (Pink F.), "Tarkus" (ELP) and so on, where there is no
> sense either...   

You should be able to find the word Incantation in an english
dictionary. It's common english and is the words accompanying a spell.

Hergest Ridge is what Mike Oldfield was able to see outside the studio
where HR was recorded. It's a ridge and it's called Hergest Ridge.

later,

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: The Great Deceiver - Comments
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:04:00 GMT

OK - so today I got luckier. I've been going to my favorite record shops  
hunting for the new King Crimson live box set. Having just bought some more  
Crimson boots a few weeks ago, and having heard all the great stuff about the  
set, I hust *had* to have it. I finally walked into a store I was *certain*  
would have it. Not in the bins or on the walls.

Dejectedly I picked up the Eno 'Ali Click' CD single (as if I need to buy MORE  
Eno, having picked up 'Nerve Net' and 'The Shotov Assembly' in the last month -  
well I had to buy SOMETHING) and proceeded to the register. "Have you happened  
to hear of this new Crimson box?", I sheepishly asked. "Why yes - it just came  
in today" the clerk said as he unpacked it from a big cardboard box...

What can I say - this is one awesome package here. The packaging is stunning.  
The book is so entertaining that I read the whole thing (68 pages) prior to  
putting the first CD of the set into the player. Fripp's journal entries make  
for great reading. Putting every known review or article ever printed about  
'Frame By Frame' (including the review Fripp did *himself* for Musician  
magazine, and the resulting letters to the editor) in was a nice touch. It's  
surpising how personal some of the material is - especially the letter from  
David Cross. There's even more notes in the jewel box inserts. 

I don't know when I've seen a CD compilation that so thoroughly relives a  
period of history in music, photos and personal terms (OK - a group I actually  
*care* about). It's in the same league as the 'Let It Be' movie for examining  
the decay and demise of a band. It also reminds me of the Roxy Music history  
video in that after all these years it's thrilling to have all this material  
sitting in your hands, with high quality as well.

The sound quality is incredible and the performances are easily as powerful as  
you might imagine. Words can't describe it - just the way a Crimson performance  
should be. There are of course errors in both recording and performance, but  
that is as it should be. David Cross gets pitched into the weeds a few times  
(like at 9:00 into 'Fracture' on disc one...). It's all here...

Buy it. Do whatever it takes to find it. The packaging and book are worth $54,  
let alone having almost FIVE hours of intense, well-recorded, vintage Crimson  
to drown in. You may not come out of your listening room for days though...

Track list follows in a separate post.

Now if only I could get 5 hours of live 72-73 ELP in this format...

Gordon


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From: dlivings@cs.strath.ac.uk (Daniel J Livingstone IE90)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: yes solo stuff
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:10:03 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.


  hmmm... not sure if my .sig will be included at the end but, what the
  hell...


  I was wondering if anyone has any idea how much a couple of albums
  should cost... I'm currently in the situation, through necessity,
  of having to lose a lot of my material possessions. (I'm very short
  of money... VERY)

  Anyway, I have on record the following, both original releases,
  with gatefold covers...

  Chris Squire - Fish Out Of Water (with poster)
  and
  Alan White - Ramshackled (with nice colourful lyric sheet)

  further, if anyone actually wants to buy either (or both) then mail
  me, or If you have any idea how much these would sell for (if anything!)
  then still mail me.

  btw the cost of safely mailing the above outside of uk would probably
  push the price something stupid...

		daniel

  (BTW I dont want to appear like some demonic, money obsessive type...
   cos Im not really)
-- 
dlivings@cs.strath.ac.uk
Daniel, aka MBKidd
- Reality is what you make it
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From: itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser)
Subject: Dead Fly Boy
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:32:41 GMT


In Search of the Eternal Buzzz
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Crimson: 10 periods, Fripp x USA
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:42:55 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <2603@irit.irit.fr> stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE) writes:
>We  can  see  that  King  Crimson  was  a  Fripp's  personal instrument to
>develop  his  own  image  using  very good musicians.

Oh come on! King Crimson *was* a vehicle for Fripp, but it was used to
develop his *music*, not his *image*.

Please don't let your "anti-Fripp as a person" bias slip out so
obviously again.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk
From: aesba1ii@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:44:07 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

re: the beach boys as a progressive force

  surely to be progressive is to be something different; toy have your own
sound?
   the beach boys certainly had that...now when you hear a song filled with
harmony you say...it's like the beach boys....

  but apart from their early songs...from 1966 when brian wilson created the
pet sounds album, he was using instruments not associated with popular music at
all...what he was doing was more akin to classical...using piccolo,
harpsichord, flute, bass harmonica, full orchestrarions and even upturned empty
water bottles to get percussion effects...the songs were 'too wierd' for their
day which finally resulted in the 'smile' album being scrapped for that very
reason....

  to say brian wilson is NOT progressive is a contradiction in terms of what he
was doing circa 1966 onwards and what progressive music is all about

  ian irwin
   scotland
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From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Beginner
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 NOV 92 09:44:15    


In article <1992Nov14.205143.17450@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes...
>	BTW, Starless and Red are also live!
> 

This is a bit misleading.  Both have a lot of live material, but there are
studio overdubs on top of live rhythm tracks and some all-studio stuff on these
as well.  Similar to the approach Frank Zappa has taken towards recording over
the last fifteen years.


					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

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From: v134pfzd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (dan(n))
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re:New King Crimson live set?
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2602@irit.irit.fr>, stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE) writes...
>>>Could anybody say when the new King Crimson live box (or double album,
>>>or whatever it is) is coming out in the UK?
>>>
>>>Graham Nelson (Oxford)
> 
>  Excuse me. Are you talking about the box with 4 CDs called "The Essence of..."
>???? Because this one is sold in UK for months. There is only ONE CD of the four
>that is live. It costs 54 pounds in London.
> 
>Nilo.

The NEW king crimson box set -4 cd's all live - is now out.  It's called "The
Great Deceiver" and was selling at the local chain record store for $65!

Looks like it's mostly Larks tongues - red period crimson.

-dan
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:24:35 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <clopez.02m5@weird.miami.fl.us> clopez@weird.miami.fl.us (Carlos Lopez) writes:
>When I hear old Genesis on classic rock radio
>stations and then the new stuff on top 40 radio or VH-1, I always think the
>same thing...what the hell happened to them.

Gabriel left. Unfortunately neither Gabriel or Genesis has been as good since.
(Though at least Gabriel shows promise).




-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk
From: borella@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: PFM - where is the live CD?
Keywords: PFM - Premiata Forneria Marconi
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:59:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <2588@irit.irit.fr> stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE) writes:
>Hi everybody!
>
>  Does anybody in Europe know one place where the live CD of PFM is being sold? 
>I've been in London 2 months ago but I couldn't find it. Someone has told me that
>there were 6 months that this CD was not being delivered. Does anybody know the situation right now??
>  It is really hard to find CDs from them. I have just one: "Chocolate Kings", that I've bought in Germany (there was another one that I didn't know it), in which there is this song called "Arlecrin" (?) that has an instrumental part with violin very, very good. 

Yeah, and their CD's used to be everywhere.  There's the live album
"Cook", which has made in to CD, and also another one (I'm pretty sure
its different) recorded live in Italy, which was released on CD.

The best way to find their stuff now is via mail order.

-Mike
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