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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Thoughts
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <79058@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes...
#Including the Fiesta Bowl loss to Penn State, Miami has gone 1-3
#in non-home bowl games relevant to the MNC, scoring an average
#of just 16 points per game.  All hail the bowl coalition, for forcing 
#Miami to venture outside the Orange Bowl this year.

What's interesting, Mark, and what you fail to mention, is that in the
three other times that Miami appeared in MNC-relevant bowl games, two would
have been setup by the bowl coalition if it had been in place ('83 and '87), 
and the third would have been allowed under the BC's escape clause to take
a higher payout ('91).  Thus, your comment that the BC ``forc[ed] Miami to
venture outside the Orange Bowl this year'' is misleading:  past evidence
shows that Miami has played more MNC-related games outside the OB than it
has in it.  Had the BC not been in place, in all likelihood, the same matchups
would have been made.

#The silence from the net.blowhards is nearly deafening.

Another interesting comment, this one.  Did it not occur to you that many
net.cane.fans were at the game?  It doesn't seem too far-fetched that given
the choice between having a drink on Bourbon Street and conversing with the
net.boneheads that insist on proving how every school in this country has
stupider fans than one previously thought possible, one might choose the
former.  Personally, I was not silent (as the Pitt fans in the north bleachers
of Fitzgerald Field House last night can attest), I just had no net.access.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:39:02 GMT

In article <79188@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
|> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) wrote:
|> } 
|> }Bull, Gene Stallings saids that Legion in Birmingham is neutral field.
|> }In the SEC champingship, Gene said both teams had to stay in a hotel,
|> }and Bama even had to dress in the visitors locker rooms.  Gene must be
|> }a statistician just like you.
|> 
|> Gene is welcome to say what he likes, but Alabama gets a huge advantage
|> by playing the SEC championship at home.

    I'd have to agree that Legion Field was more like Alabama's "home" field in
the championship.  I'd like to see all their home games played on the grass in
Tuscaloosa myself.  One thing not mentioned here is that Alabama is not assured
of an apperance in the championship game.  We played there this year and, yes,
we had whatever "home field advantage" there was but it would have been neutral
if another team had made it instead.  I didn't feel too sorry for Spurrier
though because of his deep, abiding, and (for me) unexplained absolute hatred for
Alabama.  I haven't been able to figure out why he has such an intense dislike
for Bama unless it was something to do with is time as quarterback at Florida.

|> So there was a minor advantage for 'Bama, since they are used to
|> playing on turf and the 'Canes were one hour off by time zone.

    While I don't have the stats to back it up, I'd think that Miami plays as
many games on turf as Alabama does.  Whatever you think of Legion Field, our
real home field is good ol' Prescription Athletic Turf (see your doctor about it).
Alabama played three of six regular-season "home" games at Legion Field.  Any 
other turf exposure came at other fields.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
		  "All I need is a pint a day"
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Home field advantage (was Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:55:57 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>However, those who have studied the effects of the home field advantage
>consider it a function of (1) turf, (2) time, and (3) temperature.
>Teams tend to play worse on non-home turf, outside their home time
>zone, and in temperatures to which they are not accustomed.  The 
>crowd factor is nearly negligible.  
Is this really true?  RFK is considered a tough place for opposing teams to
play, and I don't think the above three reasons are the main reasons.  I find
it hard to believe that a home crowd is a negligible advantage, especially if
the visiting team is an audibling team playing in a dome.  If you have the
report you alluded to, that would be interesting to see.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
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From: "Sid Kitchel" <kitchel@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Worst Announcer
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:18:56 -0500

mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.135409.16699@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, rnjx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>>Worst announcer in football?  It can't be Keith Jackson---he's harmless.

>>Musberger is just annoying. 

>> Todd Christensen, on the other hand, is
>>offensive.  Anyone who watched the Fiesta Bowl had the (dis)pleasure of

>My vote for the worst is actually related to pro ball but what
>the heck it's Joe Theisman. He is absolutly terrible in my opinion.

	Well, my vote goes to Bob Trumpy. He is annoying and ignorant.
I couldn't stand his comments on the husker play in the OB where the
QB attempted a lateral that was muffed by the halfback. Trumpy spent
five minutes showing how little he knew about college rules by trying
to recall the rules about fumbles. Of course, the play he was trying
to "explain" didn't have a fumble at all!!! For that play I would have
rather listened to Theisman babbling on about how bad the QB must have
felt, instead of Trumpy wasting time proving his ignorance again!

					soONEr born!!!,
						--Sid
-- 
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Data Parallel Systems, Inc.  ============||  DPSI  ||===============
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From: weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK)
Subject: Re: Bama, FSU... :) (A&M & Oilers)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Date:  4 Jan 1993 07:40 CST  

In article <JCHO.93Jan4024401@dante.nmsu.EDU>, jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes...
>played about as well as Houston Oilers did against Buffalo in
>the 2nd Half....        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, my holiday football games were not very pleasing to say the least.  I 
would like to congratulate ND on soundly kicking our butts, good thing 
there's a next year.  We did have a great season however and hopefully the 
team will mature and get even better.

As for the Oilers, well... I'm just glad I'm not as fanatical about them as 
I am the Aggies.  Just being a fan was, and always has been, hard enough.

GIG'EM  AGS!!!

Mark Weyland
Texas A&M University - Class of '88
From: ddo@wsun2.larc.nasa.gov (Dale D. Ohmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:43:11 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan4.132630.13234@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> So, let's see.  How did the conferences do in bowl games?  Something like
|> 
|> 
|> SEC    5 out of 6
|> ACC    3 out of 4
|> PAC10  2 out of 6
|> 
|> 
|> Not sure about the rest, but no other conference had more than 2 wins.  It
|> is obvious that the SEC was really the strongest, but the ACC held its own.

Let's point out that the only ACC bowl loss was at the hands of the SEC:
Florida (Gators) beat NC State.

That's all, folks.
Dale
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From: hoequist@brtph642.BNR.CA (Charles Hoequist P250)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Reply-To: hoequist@brtph642.BNR.CA (Charles Hoequist P250)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:47:40 GMT

No, Florida does not import its football talent. The only article
I've ever seen on football demographics made the point that FL and CA
were the two major exporters of football players to the rest of the 
country. With California, one could account for it by saying they
have the largest pool of potential players, but it leaves Florida's
standing mysterious.

-ceh
  
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 1993 08:32:00 -0500 
From: "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Worst Announcer
Distribution: rec

>Worst announcer in football?  It can't be Keith Jackson---he's harmless.
>Musberger is just annoying.  Todd Christensen, on the other hand, is
>offensive.  Anyone who watched the Fiesta Bowl had the (dis)pleasure of
>hearing his ``color'' commentary.  That color must be black.  He has the
>most soporific, deadpan delivery, seems to feel no excitement at all
>with what he's doing, and constantly denigrates the players' achievements
>on the field.  The way he analyzes plays, you get the impression that no one
>ever does anything well; good things happen to one team only when the other
>team commits some egregious error.  Get a life, buddy.  Maybe he can wander
>off to broadcasters' purgatory to play gin with Joe Namath...
>-- 
>##############################################################
>#                                                            #
>#  RNJX@vax5.cit.cornell.edu                                 #             
>#  Jeff Wilson                                               #
>#  Cornell University                                        #

I second this nomination.  I thought Walsh was bad, but Christensen
takes the cake.  We actually debated turning off the sound and listening
to the game on the radio.  Then we had to listen to him during on of the
pro games, talk about to much Christensen in one weekend!  Get him off
the air!

Susan Wagner
CU Buffalo fan in Pittsburgh, PA
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:17:25 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <^t#@byu.edu> zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
>
>There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
>doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
>graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
>don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.
>
>Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
>not educate.

Yeah and education alone does not feed the wife and kids. 

What's the point? If a kid is ready to play in the NFL as a junior then that
is his right. The biggest problem I have with all this junior jumping is that
many of these kids simply are NOT ready. Robert Smith is a good example. I 
don't think his body has fully matured to the point where he can play in the
NFL and he will not be a 1st round pick this year. He will sit on somebody's 
bench or get cut and maybe wind up out of football. Ditto for some of the other
guys jumping now. It makes me sad because everybody knows the agents have filled
these kids's heads with the idea that they will all get big money contracts and
are can't miss propositions to make a pro team. In short... they are being 
exploited... 
>
>There, just my 25 cents worth.
>
mine too! 
-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
Whenever the fates hear someone say, "It can't get any worse than this..." 
They just laugh and double your misery! 


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv10.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:41:03 GMT

In article <12JAN199308570503@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>In article <CNg=8lA@engin.umich.edu>, hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel) writes...
>>In article <C0pDFx.A6F@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>>What?  Hasn't any of you heard that the DMN published another story about
>>>Greg Hill?  He supposedly worked the week that A&M was preparing for 
>>>Florida State in last years Cotton Bowl...  Not only that, but he 
>>>supposedly worked 2 different jobs!!!  Of course this was front page
>>>news for the DMN, not so in many other local papers.  It seems that 
>>>some of the other papers in the state are kinda taking what the DMN
>>>says with a grain of salt.  The article in the Houston Chronicle this
>>>weekend had a kind of guarded wording.  I have heard that one of the
>>>San Antonio papers was the same.  Anyone else see anything about the 
>>>DMN article in any of the other Texas papers.
>>>
>>>Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!
>>>
>> 
>>Shoot the messenger??
>
>Only whenst thou messenger speaketh before knowing the truth.
>
>His point is the dmn sometimes prints things as facts which are based on 
>rumors or a single source (eg. the Aggie bonfire is built by contractors).  
>This was actually printed.  Much like the Star or Natl. Enquirer etc.


isn't it?    ;-)

cmuck (should I file suit on the University for my back injury?)

>
>GIG'EM  AGS!!!
>
>Mark Weyland
>Texas A&M University - Class of '88
>
>> 
>>John Hajel  
>> 


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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:02:26 GMT

In article <79113@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
|> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) wrote:
|> }
|> }That concludes todays meeting of BA.  Refreshments consisting of iced
|> }tea, craw-dads, and sugar-Cane stew are available at the back of the
|> }room.  Ya'll come back, now! :-)
|> 
|> Would that be sweetened or unsweetened iced tea?

    "No Sugar tonight in my coffee, no Sugar tonight in my tea!"
						--Whatshisname

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
     ** Pour me full o' Guinness and I'll never more complain! **
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Football - No fun, no future to it's players and recrui
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:37:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.060753.11216@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer) writes:
>[ long copying of earlier posts deleted ]
>
>Other than pointing out the terrible grammar, poor spelling, and possibly
>even a 'hunt and peck' style of typing, what's your point?  Are you
>discrediting everything stated merely because the grammar and spelling
>were so hideous?  I don't necessarily agree with the views of the person
>who made all the errors, but I simply read the message and forgot about the
>poor command of the English language.
>
>allen

Remember that thought the next time you look at a resume...  :-)
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From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:42:58 GMT

In article <^t#@byu.edu> zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
>
>There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
>doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
>graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
>don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.
>
>Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
>not educate.
>
>There, just my 25 cents worth.
>
>Steve

Is there anyone playing in the NFL that didn't play college football
and is not a kicker?  Why not let a kid feel out his market value (be drafted)
before giving up his eligability - provided he takes no payments if he returns.

John L
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From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: PAC-10 Overrated!!!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 19:08:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
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Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1993Jan03.230432.55937@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
Pac-10 was the best in the middle of the season. When USC beat Arizona, would 
anybody expect them to collapse afterwards? I'll agree that in the end the SEC
is the best, but Pac-10 is not as what somebody described (that bad).

  ??    ??        ??????
  ??    ??       ??    ??
  ??    ??       ??               T. J. FAN, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
  ??    ?? ????? ??
  ??    ????   ????    ??         - A Trojan Fan (Used to be)
   ?????? ????    ??????          - and the ND hater (Probably no more)
             ????
          ??   ??
           ?????
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From: tech@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Miami's Humiliation (or How not to Play Football)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:49:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.204254.26119@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
>Even though Nebraska lost in the Orange Bowl :-(, I would make a guess that
>Tommy Frazier, a true Freshman, would have outplayed Gino What's-his-name
>from Miami.
>
>I didn't catch much of the Sugar Bowl, but from what I saw was a bunch of
>high school players attempting to play on the college level (OK, I'll give
>Miami a break - Division 3).
>
>The "We Backs" would have made mincemeat of the Hurricane defense also.

Oh this is rich. nebraska couldn't beat their meat let alone the
Hurricanes. They are by far the worst damn bowl team I've ever seen.
Any team in the nation would breath a sigh of relief upon learning that
nebahoma will be their opponent in a bowl game. FSU's domination of
your so called team was nearly as complete as Alabama's domination of the
Canes. You diminish the bama victory with your fantasy.

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: rcaswell@eng.auburn.edu (Robin V. Caswell)
Subject: You people just don't get it, do you?
Reply-To: rcaswell@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:03:50 GMT

Man,
 I am reading this group in utter amazement at all the people who STILL don't,
or maybe CAN'T accept the hard, cold fact that ALABAMA is THE UNDISPUTED 
NATIONAL CHAMPION of college football in 1992! I am, BY NO stretch of the
imagination, an Alabama fan...in fact, if you glance at my .sig you will
understand where I am coming from; BUT, don't all you ignorant, arrogant,
trash-talking (if the shoe fits, then wear it!) posters understand what an
ass-whipping (yes, I said an "ASS-WHIPPING) party that the University of
Miami received from Alabama on New Years day signified?
 Jeez, are you really THAT ignorant, or are you just pretending? Oh, I get 
it...it must be self-denial...ALABAMA is the National Champion, and if Miami
wants it back, they're going to have to play better than they did on New Years
day to even think about getting it back. 
 Talk about dominance......Well, you probably watched at least PART of the 
game, so I'll spare you the agony of remembrance. It's best to let "sleeping
dogs lie" and get own with life. Miami had their chance, and there "ain't 
nothing they can do to change things now!"

 Gene S. and the Alabama team have my regards and congrats for a job well
done. Being an Auburn fan, though, I can't help but wonder how `ole Gene's
gonna fare next year, given the fact that all of Curry's boys should have 
used up all their eligibility this year....Hmmmm....interesting thought...

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Final AP Poll
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:50:48 GMT

The final Top 25, with first-place votes in parentheses, records through
93/01/02, and total points (based on 25 for a first-place vote through
one for 25th).  Source: USA Today, 93/01/04 edition.  Any mistakes are
probably my fault.

	Rank   School              Record   Points
	------------------------------------------
	   1   Alabama (62)        13-0-0    1,550
	   2   Florida State       11-1-0    1,470
	   3   Miami               11-1-0    1,410
	   4   Notre Dame          10-1-1    1,375
	   5   Michigan             9-0-3    1,266
	   6   Syracuse            10-2-0    1,209
	   7   Texas A&M           12-1-0    1,167
	   8   Georgia             10-2-0    1,159
	   9   Stanford            10-3-0    1,058
	  10   Florida              9-4-0      931
	  11   Washington           9-3-0      892
	  12   Tennessee            9-3-0      819
	  13   Colorado             9-2-1      818
	  14   Nebraska             9-3-0      771
	  15   Washington State     9-3-0      618
	  16   Mississippi          9-3-0      583
	  17   N. Carolina State    9-3-1      582
	  18   Ohio State           8-3-1      493
	  19   North Carolina       9-3-0      491
	  20   Hawaii              11-2-0      354
	  21   Boston College       8-3-1      314
	  22   Kansas               8-4-0      183
	  23   Mississippi State    7-5-0      167
	  24   Fresno State         9-4-0      124
	  25   Wake Forest          8-4-0      107

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