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From: e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson)
Subject: Graphix on the A4000...
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:46:43 GMT

Let me just se if I'v got this right....
There STILL are some flickering modes on the A4000, but according 
to some people on the net, you cannot use a "flicker-fixer" on the
A4000, that means that the higher resolutions will still flicker...
My question, what's the use of a resolution you cannot use ?????

/stefan

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  I hold in my hands the CBM 1992 Anual Report....
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:39:03 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <92284.171317DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.061752.12644@coplex.com>, dannie@coplex.com (Dannie
>Gregoire) says:
>
>>Perhaps microsoft dribble like yourself might also like to know that
>>the Amiga is quite capable of running PC software (including windows
>
>Hold on here. .advocacy wasn't created so that morons (whether pro-Amiga
>or anti-Amiga) could launch personal attacks. The person you responded to
>posted some interesting information; your post was useless. ("dribble"
>to use your terminology)

And if he read this group regularly, he would know that he was flaming the
owner of an A3000.

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From: dannie@coplex.com (Dannie Gregoire)
Subject: Re: I hold in my hands the CBM 1992 Anual Report....
Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:17:52 GMT

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>P.S. Get the Anual report. It's a barrel of laughs... Oh, the official
>number of Amigas sold now is up to 3.7 Million (page 2).

This is all coming from a company that wants every household appliance
of the future to run windows as an interface...please.  Windows is
useless enough when running on a PC let alone my refrigerator.  I 
have not seen the afore mentioned pictures, but if true, I wonder
why they would feature a Graphica Looser Interface such as windows
(Windows is NOT an operating system).

Perhaps microsoft dribble like yourself might also like to know that
the Amiga is quite capable of running PC software (including windows
and or word, unfortunately) at the SAME time as other Amiga software.
This is of course a feat hoplessly impossible under windows, such is 
life.

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From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I found it! An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:17:37 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Oct16.065612.11477@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Wow, I did not think it could be done - but I have found an
>advantage in the Amiga over PCs!  :-)
>
>It is this: PCs have a history of using 5.25" floppies.  When things
>that require booting (like OSes for my PC), it MUST boot on the 'A:' drive.
>So what if your A: drive is 5.25", and the boot software is 3.5"?
>Basically, PC users have to either do ROM tricks or get a dual purpose
>cable and switch the designations manually.  Ick.

	Well, I *COULD* just go change the BIOS settings so that my computer
tried to boot off the B: drive instead of the A: drive bofore the Hard disk,
but that would probably ruin your theory.

	Toodlepip!
	Marc 'em.


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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <etxansk.718382232@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
 >
 > Could somebody please reveal who's actually buying the ageing
 >C64 computer? I know the STe never made it to the top, but as far
 >as I can see there's no reason why we should even mention C64 sales
 >any longer. Commodore UK's C64 Game System, a pathetic NES wanna-be,
 >flopped out of sight.

Well, that C64 game cartridge system is already past for 2 or 3 years.
But the full C64 is still prospering. It's bought by people who have
really little money, i.e. people from eastern Europe (eastern Germany
included). Just note that the C64 is *still* cheaper than any
cheap-ass PClone.

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From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Flickering mania!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:49:59 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group (aka. SilverBox Development Group)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Oct10.125027.1378@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:

> since there seems to be general confusion on the net about the flicker/
> non-flicker of the 4000, would someone who REALLY knows please post
> a TABLE that tells what flickers and what doesn't.....i.e.
>
> Mode                         Flicker w/ Normal NTSC driver     w/DblNTSC
>
> 320x200                                   N                        N
> 320x400                                   Y                        N

  Monitor                          Flicker or show scanline?

  NTSC:, all resolutions             YES (including SuperHires)
  PAL:, all resolutions              YES (including SuperHires)
  MULTISCAN:Productivity             NO  (there's NO overscan in MULTISCAN:)
  MULTISCAN:Productivity Laced       YES (that's 640x960 of course)
  SUPER72:, all resolutions          YES (including the 800x600 mode)
  DblNTSC:, all resolutions          NO
  DblPAL:, all resolutions           NO
  EURO36:, all resolutions           YES

   Hope this clear up some minds...

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From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Subject: Re: Tomato is a fruit
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:18:40 GMT

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

>danaf@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct9.002833.1616@netcom.com>, jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas) writes:
>>
>>|> As compared to my dealings with some compiler folks on -other- platforms
>>|> [red], this was a [fruit] dream come true.  [;)]
>>
>>WOW!!! You've used the little-known Tandy Tomato????
>>
>>8)
>>

>Well, a tomato is biologically a fruit, but legally a vegetable.  It had
>something to do with import tariffs or something, and they couldn't tax
>fruits, but they could tax vegetables, so they legally had the status of a
>tomato changed.  Don't ask me who "they" are, i'm sure it was a florida tomato
>grower or something.. 
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You are correct. The tomato is a fruit. It is a member of the berry
family.

Not many people know that bananas are vegetables.

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From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Followups-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:37:31 GMT


In <1992Oct13.091715.3997@tamsun.tamu.edu> sfuller@tamsun.tamu.edu (Steve Fuller) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.064506.14933@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>
>>	What was that thing that Apple released, called the System 7
>>Tune Up? Wasn't that the program to upgrade the original Quadras to the
>>latest version?
>No. 
>The Quadras shipped with 7.0.1, the latest version (until next week).
>The 68040 cache-compatability problem was created by people writing
>self-modifing code, something that Apple had warned could cause problems in
>future Macs.
>System 7 Tune-up has nothing to do with the Quadras specifically.

could this thread be confined to the .advocacy newsgroups, please?

many thanks.

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From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Subject: Re: bye
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:15:54 GMT


So long, Colin. Good luck. I hope we hear from you soon.

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:49:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.163558.15653@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

[ ]
>
>Philip, you've been reading and posting to this group long enough to expect
>these sort of posts now and then.  I don't know whether or not Mr. Seifert
>is serious or not, but I'd like to think that he was just joking.  

I have come to expect wierd posts at various intervals here! I do think there
comes a point when people have to accept certain responsibilities for what
they say. A message here goes all over the world, and of course the poster
can sit in comfort while others feel terrible. Whether or not he was joking
is not the issue. Of course, it's even more discouraging if he were not.
>
>I've read a number of posts in which the writer made insulting references to
>persons from rural areas, calling them hicks, rednecks, bubbas, hillbillys,
>and that sort of thing.  As a native of the Deep South, I would most likely
>qualify as a redneck or one of the other seemingly derogatory labels.  But
>I take whatever is posted here with the proverbial grain of salt and find
>this group to be great fun to read.

Yes this is an interesting group, and I'm not trying to dampen its free
spirit. I do think people should try to avoid insulting generalizations.
>
>If Mr. Seifert were French-Canadian, would it be proper for him to post what
>he did in jest?  The reason I ask is that certain people in this country seem
>to think that only members of a group should be allowed to poke fun at others
>in the group.  For example, it is okay for a homosexual to tell fag jokes, but
>it is improper for someone like Andrew Dice Clay to tell the exact same joke.
>The persons who subscribe to these restrictions would have everyone limit 
>their humor to their respective ethnic, social, and economic groups.  It is
>my opinion that this attitude is absolutely silly and does nothing to promote
>harmony between differing groups.  Thankfully, this "Politically Correct"
>mentality is a passing fad and has no hope of taking hold in this country.

To answer the question, I do not think the origin of Mr. Seifert is at issue.
I would object to his uncalled for statements even if he were french canadian.
Same goes with the other examples you mention. I do not think that being
from a certain group entitles you to be any less reasonable than others.

[ ]

Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: WPK@cup.portal.com (WPK - micromedia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM "Suggestion Box"
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:01:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Can anyone please tell me what is the email address of the Commodore
>"Suggestion Box"?   thanx...

suggestions@commodore.com
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Graphix on the A4000...
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:06:17 GMT

In <amuser.719121902@marsh> amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith) writes:
>72 Hz is absolutely *rock steady*. A flicker fixer only does 50Hz, and I
>can see it flicker slightly. Workstations use ~72Hz.

Not all Workstations don't use 72Hz. In fact, lots of them use 60Hz or 66Hz.

Regards,
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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: The A4000 little-review
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:43:41 GMT

8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:

>In article <Bw47y4.73M@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>
>>> [Will the A4000 ROMs work in A3000?]
>>
>>  The ROM will most certainly not work in an A3000. Mostly because the A4000
>>ROM lacks the SCSI stuff. As for running AmigaDOS Release 3 on A3000's it's
>>very possible and I'm doing it now. But then I'm a developer... The ECS
>>KS 3 is still in Beta as far as I know (no public release available yet).
>>
>	It works great on an A500 with a GVP series II HD and five megs of ram.

  If you're not a developer you're not supposed to be running it. There are
a few bugs in some releases that you probably don't want to discover ... Wait
for CBM to release the ROM version.

>If they will come out with a scssi card for the A4000 do you expect that they
>will have a rom update. 

  Not necessary. The SCSI driver code will be contained on the SCSI card as
with all other HD controllers. The missing SCSI code I mentioned above is 
the controller code for the A3000 SCSI-controller on the motherboard (which
has to be in the KickStart ROM).

>Also to add to that the beta machine were not A4000
>so the WB3.0 that was softkicked into ram was for current models.

>	George
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From: djkordsm@flauta.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Are you looking for Amiga pirate ftp sites?  Read this!
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:24:32 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:06:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>: You DO get waitstates while accessing the bus, don't you? (YESSS!)
>: Your RAMs may not be the fastest in the world, your motherboard maybe isn't
>: the best, either. After all, it's ONLY the CPU running at twice the speed, no
>: big deal!
>: 

>No big deal.  Tell that to SGI, who runs its R4000 machines at 50MHz external,
>100MHz internal.

	That's deceptive to say considering how big the R4000's
primary and secondary caches are compared to the 486's.  Also,
the caching algorithm is a bit smarter.

--Andre

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From: micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen)
Subject: Re: Amiga Blitter 40% slower than Atari Blitter (???)
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:36:33 GMT


Some magic is going on in this news group - look :

BOTH A500 and ST520 have a "chipram" of around 512K - 4Mb, both systems
have a transferrate from this memory of around 8 Mb/sec.

Both systems use around half of this to update on the screen. Leaving 4Mb/s

If the CPU and the Blitters want memory on the same bus one have to wait.
- There are no magic in computers, and the 68000 uses the full 4Mb/s bandwidth.

Both blitters take a long time to set up, compared to small blits, like
normal sprites. (or BLOBS).
This is the reason that the blitters aren't used by people who have figured out
how to do 68000 blits of preshifted mask and data.

The Amiga blitter can do cookie-cut directly 
        (screen and mask or data) -> screen
but the setup time is enormous.

The polygon fill in the Amiga blitter is useless because it is so slow, and the
line drawing really can't be used as a general drawing primitive. (because it 
lack features like adjustable thickness and patterns). (but for wireframe 3D
games it might be good?)


>In article <u894776.718249257@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>>wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:

>>Anyway if you are really after speed... then you split it up into three
>>blits no?

>Sure, but we were talking hardware. If you are multitasking and you are doing
>split blits, I suspect it might not look so good, when task switches hit
>you between blits.

Again : for small blits the setup time is enourmous! And splitting a blit
into 3 don't help a bit.


-Klaus
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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Dave Haynie!
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:46:01 GMT

>and interrupt control merged in.  You could easily (relatively speaking) dump the
>chips on a plug-in board, but the software would  be clueless as to how to make
>it work unless the board had all the system I/O wired through it.  Such connections
>are not present on any of the A3000 expansion connectors.


	Then how about this. A replacement motherboard ? Just like the
phenix board for the Amiga 1000. I mean if they could get a board less the chips
(because C= would not allow it) that would allow Hard Drives, ECS, WB2.04
1 meg (or even 2 meg) chip  then why can't the A3000. What are the chances of a
desoldered 68030 and 68882 chip still working ? Then buy all the AGA chips as
replacement parts. Just like now you can buy the 2.04 roms as a replacement part rather than the whole pakage. Keep the common ones. Keep the onboard SCSI 1
keep the deinterlacer do that you can use Hires non interlaced on a 31khz
monitor for the games that open those screens. I mean how is a game to
know what kind of screen to startup in if it boots straight into the game.
I guess they will make them start from the WB ie make them HD instalable also ?
	Considering there was a market for a phenix board that would cost more 
the A1000 rather than buy an A500 or now an A600 with a HD then why isn't it 
possible for the A3000 ? David Haynie actualy explained how to replace the
15Mhz 68030 with the 25Mhz one. The majour problem I can see is getting
the 68030 to work after desoldering and soldering. I am willing to take the 
risk. The demo machines given to developers were after all converted A3000s
	Pleeeeeeese C= help us out.
		George
PS: Could someone from C= conferm or reject the fact that the demo AGA machines
to developers were actualy converted A3000s ?



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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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David Connors (dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au) wrote:
: 
: >  Why would a 486sx make any difference?  The only thing its missing is
: >the math coprocessor.  Windows doesnt use it anyway.
: 
: SX makes a *HELL* of a difference. An SX machine has a 16-bit data bus 
: with a 32-bit CPU. Sort of cuts bandwidth down as bit, as I'm sure you can 
: imagine.
: 

You are mistaken.  The 486sx has 32-bit address and data buses.  The only
thing that makes it different from a 486dx is that it's missing the on-board
FPU.

The 386sx (which has a 16-bit data bus and a 24-bit address bus) is typically
30% slower than a 386dx running at the same clock speed.

: 
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