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From: casey@bradley.bradley.edu (Chris Langston)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Grage Sale
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:12:32 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug15.030822.25774@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.153716.11454@bradley.bradley.edu> casey@bradley.bradley.edu (Chris Langston) writes:
>>In <11AUG199223494141@venus.tamu.edu> f0l8973@venus.tamu.edu writes:
>>
>>>I swear that I can see tear in Cindy's eyes.  When we open the car door, Ben 
>>>looked back, "These Americans!  They never know how to do business."  This 
>>>time he shook his head.  "How can they sell things if they are not willing 
>>>to reduce the price?!"
>>
>>No I think Ben dosen't know how to do business. I have been in the "Game"
>>of buying and selling for 20 years now. An I can tell you what went wrong
>>with the above story. (Deleted for space reasons).
>>
>(A lot of valuable experience deleted)

>Well, what if the blonde has a little sister who just showed up desperately
>looking for an extra ten bucks for a pretty dress at J.C.Penny? Who knows
>that Ben wouldn't be lucky next garage sale?

>Fan

 Well that could be true...I have seen stranger things happen :)

(although I have never been that lucky....hehehehe)

Chris

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: czw@mte.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:55:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.171420.10187@cs.brown.edu> ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan
Shen) writes:
>In article <Bt8LJF.MI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(xiao-lin li) writes:
>|> In article <1992Aug19.033115.19230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>|> >
>|> >        As ROP national conference opening at Houston, the competition
>|> >war for new presidency between Bush and Clinton is getting fiercer.
>|> >Economy is hottest topic in the States. But the rest of world may concern
>|> >more what change of US foreign policy than the recovery of US regression. 
>|> 
>|> I think I like Clinton much better than Bush. This feeling was initiated
>|> in 1989 when Chinese government killed hundreds, perhaps thousands of
>|> people in Beijing. My feeling is that the Democratic Party has a heart 
>|> of people (not only American people, but people in general), while the
>|> Republican represents the privileged (not only those in American, but
>|> those in general). I well remember Senator Al Gore (spell) was the leader
>|> of a group people from Capitol Hill who sent the protest to the Chinese
>|> Embassy in DC to protest the Massacre that day. What Bush did was to
>|> call Deng Xiaoping. Bush is a person who lacks sense of justice.
>|> 
>|> As a member of people, I like the one who can speak for the people.
>|> 
>|> No matter how rich and capitalistic China will be, no matter how
>|> glorious China has been in Olympics, the blood and death of the Tiananmen
>|> Square Massacre will never be forgotten.
>|> 
>|> Xiao Li
>|> 
>
>Historically, GOP is a pragmatic party on forigen issues. Those big
Corperations 
>have donated tons of money into GOP compaign. When their damn interests are 
>threatened by the contry like Iraq, you bet see Bush starts to talk about 
>justice or human rights and other sorts of craps. But there is no doult that
big 
>oil companies urged him to commite US troops into the combat.  Considering 
>the amount of investment in China and huge market share, Bush has to listen to

>those special interet groups headed by Henry Kisinger. 
>
>GOP overall consists of a bounch of super-richs and hard-core religious group
>so called conservatives like biased Pat Buchanan. They are quite out of touch 
>with ordinary peoples (income less than six digits). One of the most powerful 
>group in GOP is AMA (American Medical Association) who has been trying damn
hard 
>to oppose the health care reform to maintain their superior income level. 
>
>Under the GOP, there is no hope to see the US policy towards China will spur
the
>democracy in China. 
>
>I wish this time the democratic party can kick Bush's ass out of the White
House. 
>they are having a pretty good chance this round.  
>
Very good comment, I totally agree. I hope Bush be kick out WH this time.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Australia's satellite lunched by China
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:29:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <16gc2pINNg95@early-bird.think.com> lu@snips.tmc.edu (Xing-Qi Lu) writes:
>At 7:00 Am, Aug. 14, the launch for the Australia's communication satilite
>was carried out successfully. It was broadcasted lively in China's national
>TV network. Congradulations to the Chinese Scientists and Engineers ! 

I only want to change the subject line which the original author forget
to edit.  Otherwise, a great news.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xxxxx@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:58:15 GMT

In article <903@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>In article <17AUG199211495637@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch
(IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>      Germany and the rest of Europe have laid the past to rest because
>   Germany has satisfied the requirements of providing true education to
>   its people and compensation to other nations (including the state of
>   Israel).
>
>I'm afraid this is simply not the case. Fears are expressed here in the
>UK all the time about German domination of Europe ("They tried it
>before, they'll try it again", "Remember the death-camps", "They may
>claim to have changed but you know the Germans  -- they're all Nazi's
>at heart"). No apology will ever stop this. What has happened is that
>politicians generally don't voice these fears in public.
>
>The situation is exactly the same with regard to Japan and her
>neighbours. We have seen plenty of hysterical rants over the past few
>days from Chinese and Koreans. They display a deep-seated
>anti-Japanese feeling. No apology will destroy this racism. Japanese
>war crimes are just an excuse for racism.
>
>Japan must aplogise for the crimes her people committed during the
>Second World War.  What difference will it make? None. Chinese and
>Koreans will still hate the Japanese; though maybe they won't be able
>to fill various newsgroups with racist diatribes.
>
>Malcolm Smith
>
Malcolm,

if your mom or your sister be raped, I wonder what you would say.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Darkest age of China (Re: Golden age of China?)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:49:40 GMT

In article <sHc-3g@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)  
writes:
> In article <92Aug14.132341edt.113@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>  
liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
> >
> >the Yuan Dynasty was the darkest period of Chinese History.  Even
> >the Cultural Revolution and Five Dynasties/Ten Kingdoms are no match
> >for that.  Warring States was too ancient to compare with, Qin
> >dynasty was not the worst dynasty.  The Chinese overthrew the
> >mighty mongolian empire in less a century after its conquest for
> >a reason.  
> >
> >Y. Liu 
> >
> >
> 
> I agree. When Yuan dynasty defeated Song dynasty and occupied Lin An,
> (Hang Zhou now), the captical of Song, all women, including empresses,
> are raped in the streets by Mongolian soldiers. It was much worse than
> The Rape of Nanjing which are done by Japanese.
> 
> In many cities which fights with Mongolian, all of men are killed and 
> women are raped and taken as slave. This is the infamous Tu Cheng policy
> (Kill all men in a city) of Mongolia Empire.
> 
> After Mongolian occupied China, it classified people in four classes,
> Mongolian is the top class, and Nan Ren(Southerner, i.e., Chinese),
> is the bottom class. None of Chinese was allowed to take any position
> in government.
> 
> In China, there are very few books talk about the sad part of Chinese
> history. When I read this part of Chinese history in the Oriental Library
> of Oxford University, I could not control my tear.
> 
> Today, there are some netters attacks the nationism. But after you learn
> the sad stories of our country, after you learn your brothers are killed 
> by foreign invaders, after you learn your sisters are raped foreign invaders, 
> will you still attack the nationism?
> 
> 
> J Chen
> Department of Chemistry
> University of Michigan

If nationism goes too far, it will send its troop to other country and kill men  
and rape women of other countries. Remember Nazi Germany, Germeny was defeated  
in the WWI and its people suffered a lot. Then nationism rose up and Hitler  
used German people's anger to do terrible things.

So, after reading your comment, I would oppose nationism even more.

Carl
From: KPS1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Una of St.John's univ, NewYork
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:11:35 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Hi,
    If anyone has the E.Mail address of Una of St.John's univ, NewYork, could y
ou please mail it to me. She's in the business management dept. Thanks.

                                                                Sandeep
From: fang@controls.ccd.harris.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: sale: AIRLINE TICKET from coast to coast
Keywords: AIRLINE TICKET
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:09:30 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: fang@rs2


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From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protest :-) (Re: Parents)
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:49:39 GMT

James wrote:
>To avoid confusion, here are the four words of the last verse:
 
I assume every one here knows what is four words. :-)
>(deleted)
<So, "Hao4 Tian1 Wang3 Ji2" means "(Like) the vast sky which has no end".
<
<So, what is the right "mood" for translating this verse? :-)
 
This time you are right. But at the last time -- your translation:
->Ai1 Ai1 Fu4 Mu3, (Oh, how sad, our parents,)
->Sheng1 Wo3 Qyu2 Lao2, (they endure the hardship to raise us.)
->Yu4 Bao4 Zhi1 De2, (I would like to pay back the love I owe me,)
->Hao4 Tian1 Wang3 Ji2. (but the debt is like the vast sky which has no end.)

See, you add "but the debt" into and have twisted its mood. In fact, this
is a poem of a son not able to go home. He wants to FanBu his parents but
can't.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Clarify, San Jose
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.211822.5261@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>The Chinese never tried to invade Japan; the Mongolians did.  Mongolia is not
>China.  (Although I suppose some people might agree with that latter sentence.
>:-))
>

Recalling my Chinese history class, China has never been succeeded in 
invading Japan. There were several attempt to do so though but most 
often they were stopped by typhoons during their way. Furthermore,
China has never been strong in their navy at all. 


-Raymond Choy-
From: quanyi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese language editor
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:22:00 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Hi!
Does anyone know that if there is a chinese language software that can print
those scandinavian special letters({,},|)?
Thank you very much for four help!
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Questions on chinese stock market
Date: 14 Aug 1992 11:39:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <77685@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <92225.001035XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>3. What kind of role does chinese government play?
>
>There is not yet a unified securities law for Mainland China, and both 
>SHSE and SZSE operate according to local rules and regulations.  Overall
>responsiblity for the SHSE and SZSE belongs to the People's Bank of China
>and the State Commission for Restructuring the Economic System.  
>
>A unified securities law is currently being drafted, and securities
>laws have been drafted by Xiamen, Guangdong, Beijing, Shenyang,
>Tianjin, Shanghai, and Shenzhen.

  I have one question on the China's Accounting report. My impression is that
China does not have independent Certified Public Accountant, like here in USA,
to provide objective accurate financial information of a company, and to audit
the financial reports of a company. It will make the stock market exetremely
risky, since many Company may cheat investor to buy the company's stock. The
stock holder may end up losing all his money.

  It takes US decades to improve
its security regulations. If a company in US wants to issue stock in PUBLIC
stock exchange market, it has to provide SEC(Security Exchange Commission)
 with past three years's financial reports which should be audited by CPA 
and should show the company's profit, earnings per share assets and liability,
 etc. After
approval, the company can sell it's stock in market. The company has to
provide financial report every fiscal year or more frequently. Every investor
can look at the company's fiancial report to decide what to do with the 
stock.

 I guess the Chinese government is playing the role of CPA and SEC
for the moment. But the government will be overwhelmed very soon. Since
the working load is huge, plus the company may cheat on them and computer
information system is not widely available. The government simply can't
handle it.  That is why there is so little stock available out there in
the market.

 It is good to hear the government is making regulations. But China needs
to improve it's financial reporting system to guard the stock holder's
interests. There will be more chaos in China's stock market.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Who knows the CPU time difference?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:42:29 GMT

In article <92228.043728XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>********************************************************************
>
>From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
>Subject: Who knows the CPU time difference?
>Date: 14 Aug 92 18:36:28 GMT
>
>Is there any computer guru who knows in detail the difference
>between Pascal and Fortran regarding the CPU time?
>Is this true that the code in Fortran runs faster than the one
>in Pascal? How times fast?
>
>I need the infomation desperately.
>
>Thanks for your knowledge.
>Zhiming
>********************************************************************
>
>   It's hard to answer the questions. It  depends, such as
>   system structures,software system, effeciency of application
>   program ,  the type of jobs involved, and algorithms as well.
>
>   However  Pascal is much faster than Fortran generally.
>
I think that Fortran is faster than Pascal as the latter need to load or
download subroutines into memory when ever the subroutines are called or
returned. This is one of the reasons I can remember now. But in this way
the Fortran can not do recursive jobs.

>   How much faster? ---- depends.
>
>   You can evaluate the two by yourself on your working system.
>
>   Fortran and BASIC languages are the slowest I've ever used,
>    certainly English as well.
>
>   X Xu

Tingli Pan
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Is berkeley machine working?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:35:00 GMT


          I just want to point out the fact that the Berkeley machine
          has tan1 wu1 habits.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:04:18 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <199208180116.AA10849@thames.bu.edu>, lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
|> Lin Can wrote:
|> >It seems that you can only say for a village, would there be enough people
|> <to represents 0.001% of Chinese population? The fact is cannibalism could and
|> <did occur in many occasions when man were starved. I would not say that
|> 
|> Yeah, it could and did when people were hopeless and mad, as Mark Twain
|> described. Chinese people have been very tolerable. They suffered a lot
|> in that famine, but even did not try to rebel.
|> 
|> <cannibalism during the big famine is definitely a lie, it might be
|> 
|> No, I only said the original is a lie. Please read it again.
|> 
|> <more difficult to believe that no cannibalism at all during such most
|> <adverse conditions.
|> 
|> Could you answer me why they did not rebel? To open government's gain barns
|> was much easier thing to do. "The story of criminal Li TongZhong" was a
|> truthful story by my own judgement.
|> 
|> I am really surprised by that so many young people think it is natural to
|> cannibal if one is hungry :-(  But maybe it is good for our young generation
|> to learn some aggressive, adventural characters. 

Your point is that if people did not rebel, then they would not commit
cannibalism either. I don't think there is a strong logical consequence
between rebellion and cannibalism.

As to why the peasants not rebelling, there is a psychological behaviour
called fear, and such fear for terror would not make people rebel and also
due to selfishness implanted in human character. Why did the Jews in the
concentration camps did not rebel, they definitely had more people than
the Nazis, if everyone rebelled then the Nazis couldn't even put them in
the gas chambers at all. You see, psychology of fear and terror does not
work the same way as you think. By the way, who is going to be the first to
do it, everyone is waiting for others to act and that was how they control
them. This is precisely the way how CCP can control so many Chinese.

NO, people here (so far from what I read) do not condone cannabalism, but
there are well-documented cases about cannabalism in cases of disaster,
air crash, ship wreck etc. It is a fact that human being can do such thing
in case of hunger, I am not saying that it is right, but who knows what
human would act under extreme circumstances.

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dyang@diana.carleton.ca (Dong Yang)
Subject: Re: No longer Silent China
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:37:29 GMT

In <1992Aug9.211910.6745@news.nd.edu> jll@loki.cc.nd.edu (Junlei Li) writes:

>Lu Xun had written an essay called "Silent China".
>I have been deeply moved by what he said in that article. But now, after 
>reading all the responses from the Chinese Netters towards the NBC coverage
>and the Ingar Holst Debate, though I could not agree with some of the remarks,
>I felt very happy that there was no longer a Silent China. Everyone is now
>brave enough to speak up for whatever he believes in, and they know how to speakup. I suppose that's partially what "6.4" is for and I am glad for those who hadfought for this and were not able to see this happen.

Really?  I think to the netters who do not read SCC, China is still
'Silent China'.  If they complained NBC they should post articles to
soc.culture.america or news groups on Olympic.  This SCC is another
'China Town' among Chinese students.

D. Yang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD:  related to green-card lobby stuff
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:07:28 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu's message of 13 Aug 92 01:13:38 GMT



As I recalled, in 60-70's in China, anti-Chairman-Mao means anti-revolutionary;
In 80-now, anti-four-basic-principles-of-CCP is anti-CCP and anti-socialism. 
Since China has been said not to be a democratic country, things become more
understandable.

Now, here is U.S., a country so-called symbol of democracy and freedom and 
liberaty. But it seems to some Chinese that anti-green-card-bill is "CCP 
running dog". It means to me that someone learnt much from the Great Cultural
Revolution".

The more on her list, the easier she can get BLOOD-CARD. Why doesn't she post
a mail for poll who oppose the bill or who support the bill? So that maybe
make her a complete list.

Good luck to whome it conerns.
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A wonderful place for Tester and Newuser!
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:42:59 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug22.201418.15916@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
>How do you know that your "real bullets" are not from "junk"?
>Just a little bit curious. Give us more on what you've learnt.
>
>Z. Liu

    Well, if a junk, don't pick it up. Make a sense?

cqu
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:31:17 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

muyu@tan.Princeton.EDU (Muyu Guo) writes:


>The national weather forecast center has its predication only 40%
>agreed with reality, while an old peasant has HIS predication 60%
>agreed with reality.  Being asked how this is so, the old peasant
>answered, 'it's very easy, whatever the official forecast says, I
>just say exactly the opposite.'

Very easy to improve. If some one from the center is now reading:
Next time add a 40% to the prediction, like "40% chance of rain".

>-- 
>--
>Muyu Guo

BTW: if you use the story as a fact, be careful about your diploma.
From: lixj@terra.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:54:40 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>Yes, it's unfair, but crying for apology won't solve any problem.

>Carl

OK, let's cry for apology and ask for material compensation. I don't
think it is a good idea, but according to you, that we should also build
up military muscle in case we face another invasion, or we want to
*enter* another country, right?

xj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xx@iree.mit.edu()
Subject: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:51:00 GMT

This is a test.