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From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Gene Wolfe
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:42:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: wharton.1992Apr6.164201.1
Organization: Newt World Order

In article <9204050614.AA05715@rutgers.edu>, BECKS@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL (Sara Beck) writes:
> Anyway, I think that Wolfe's  (or his characters) consistently have a weird
> attitude towards women.  Women in Wolfe's books seem to be a somewhat alien
> species.  They are assumed to have their own agenda which is completely
> hidden from men, and to be more or less dangerous to men.  "There are Doors"
> is exhibit A, of course.  Also check out the references to sexual activity in
> the Torturer books (honesty compells me to admit I only read the first 2); the
> atmosphere is like a soldier reporting on an encounter with the enemy.  Yes he

I think that Severian's misogyny (if indeed he was misogynous; he did
give up his guild for a woman whom he didn't really know, and he risked
his life to save a stranger woman from a stranger man, almost getting
himself killed in the avern duel) is a part of his character, and not
traceable to Wolfe. If you read Wolfe's short stories, or the Soldier
novels, you will find what I believe to be to be a deep understanding of
female psychology (but then, what do I know? I'm a bloke).

Severian was a character in over his head from the beginning, as is
revealed in the rest of the torturer books. That's why he was suspicious
of all the women who tried to use him (after the first one), and that's
why he was also suspicious of the men who tried to use him.

I haven't read There are Doors yet, so I can't address your rather
cryptic comment regarding that book.

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From: jack@loki.une.edu.au (Jack Claff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Does Araminta Station contain an error?
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:23:37 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers, (Lismore)


There appears to be an interesting error in Araminta Station.

When Glawen is trapped at the Monomantic Seminary, Kirdy goes
back to Cadwal and tells Bodwyn Wook that Glawen is dead.  This
is why Bodwyn never mounted a rescue mission.  But later,
Spanchetta is accused of perpetrating a "nasty little fraud"
against Glawen by not declaring Scharde Clattuck dead until after
Glawen's 21st. birthday had passed so that Glawen missed out on
Agency status and was declared a co-lateral.  Since Glawen was
presumed dead, there could be no fraud!  This is significant
because without the alleged fraud, Glawen would not have been
granted full agency status by the court.

I wonder if Jack Vance overlooked this point, or possibly he saw
it but the book was so far advanced that he left it in anyway.

Does anyone have any comments?
-- 
Jack Claff
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University of New England, Northern Rivers      Phone : 61 66 203 860
P.O. Box 157, Lismore, N.S.W., 2480 Australia   Fax   : 61 66 221 724
From: parmentier@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Jack Vance - _Throy_ (Cadwall 3?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:18:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: iowasp.1992Apr10.151854.1
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa


	I have been informed that the Dutch translation of _Throy_ is
due out in October, which prompted me to look up and find out that the
Underwood-Miller edition is due in June.  This is the signed, numbered,
slipcased, edition for $75.  Expect the Tor hardcover next spring and
the paperback summer of 1993.

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From: rknowles@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: CHILDREN OF THE ATOM--thanks to all who answered
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:49:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s07reINNpct
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr8.023510.9386@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>
>  Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about CHILDREN OF
>THE ATOM.  The book is by Wilmar Shiras; it was originally serialized
..>
>  According to cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J. Heydt), the
>author was actually a woman, Wilma Shiras, but the editor "corrected"
>the name because he "couldn't believe that a woman had written the
>thing."

I far as I know, which is from knowing some of the old Pennyfarthing people, ar
Wilmar was her real name.  Neither the book itself or any of the standard 
references says otherwise.   While I believe John Campbell had his faults,
he wasn't quite that foolish.

 
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From: rjk@iastate.edu (Russell J Kraemer)
Subject: Re: _Wizard's Bane_ riddle
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:41:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.083029.15889@kithrup.COM> sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
>In _Wizard's Bane_, by Rick Cook, there is the following riddle:
>
>	Black as night, white as snow
>	Red as blood from the death-wound flow
>	Precious as gold
>	Worthless as dross
>	Cold beyond cold
>	Gained without loss
>	Higher and deeper and wider than all
>	At fingertips always, gone beyond call
>	What am I?
>
>Any ideas?
>

Could have sworn he meant love.....
This was where he was with the girl, right?

>-- 
>Sean Eric Fagan  | "One form to rule them all, one form to find them, one
>sef@kithrup.COM  |  form to bring them all and in the darkness rewrite the
>-----------------+  hell out of them" -- sendmail ruleset 3 comment from DEC.
>Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.


-- 
rjk@iastate.edu                 

I think therefore I.......shoot, was I saying something?
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Twistor
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:09:53 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr10.051154.8248@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:

>   I'm reading John Cramer's _Twistor_ right now, and I'm loving it. The
>principle characters are experimental condensed matter physicists, as I
>am, and not a page goes by that I don't laugh and think about how
>accurately he has represented the fun and frustration of the lab. 

The thing I liked best about Twistor is that he used shadow matter.
I was saying a few years back that sf authors were missing a good
trick for validating parallel worlds stuff by ignoring it, and
now it's been done. Of course, the plot and characters were the
usual cookie-cutter clones of previous sf--the guy has a real
David Brin fixation, I noticed.
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
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From: goldm@sage4a.its.rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold)
Subject: Re: _Postman_ Movie!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
	<7txjr5.derek@netcom.com> <1992Apr14.152745.9398@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:23:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.152745.9398@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> cromwell@betelgeuse.ecn.purdue.edu (Bob Cromwell) writes:
   Actually, I heard that John Ratzenberger had the lead role....
--
I'd heard this too with the major deviation from the novel and short story
being that "The Postman" has a sidekick, played by George Wendt.
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From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Famous people
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:19:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.001950.22550
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, J_DELANO1@unhh.unh.edu (Jeff   Delano) says:

>
>	I've been wondering how many famous people Sam runs
>into these days.  Certainly less than Young Indy!  I've only seen four:
>	Stephen King
>	Rudy Valle (someone told me this one)
>	Donald Trump 
>	another I can't remember.
>	
>	Does anyone have a list?

	Buddy Holly
	Michael Jackson
	Chubby Checker

That's all I remember off the top of my head.  Any others?



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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Mann & Machine
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:27:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <73300@netnews.upenn.edu>, fishbone@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Greg Fishbone) writes...

} Yeah, and what's the deal with that theme music?  [...]
} Did they spend so much on the effects that they couldn't afford real
} musicians?

Without trying to defend the theme song itself (which *was* uninspiring,
to say the least), they certainly *did* afford "real musicians". The
music for the show -- at least the pilot -- was by Mark Mothersbaugh,
erstwhile leader of the group Devo.

Now, it could be that you don't consider Devo/Mothersbaugh to be "real
musicians", but that's a matter of taste.

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: new sf shows
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:26:08 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> "The Doors" a sci-fi adventure about a doctor and a young woman who
-> travel through "doors" to parallel universes.  From ABC for next
-> season.

 It sounds like a rip-off of Doctor Who.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-------------------------
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: "The Tomorrow People" - Information?
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     Does anyone remember this rather pooor, unintentionally funny
     sci-fi (in the best sense of that word) programme?  It had
     three series (seasons), possibly four.  Thames Productions
     produced it for the Beeb in the early to mid seventies.

     I know there are a couple of US-based fan clubs and there
     are electronic episode guides (so I've been told) floating
     around.  If anyone has information on either, or any information
     on this series at all, I would greatly appreciate the email.

     ("The Tomorrow People" had several re-runs on Nickelodeon back when
       that network was just starting out)       

     Thanks again,

     Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: Mann & Machine
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:44:04 GMT

In article <winicur.702615544@beagle> winicur@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Zev Winicur) writes:
>
>Oh, yeah.  I had no problem watching an hour of Yancy Butler.

I second that!

By the way, was it just my imagination, or was one of the scientists
who created Eve named "Dr. Deckard"?

Paul

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From: andrew1@odie.cs.mun.ca (Andrew Furlong)
Subject: Nightmare Cafe
Summary: show cancelled?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:41:08 GMT


   Does anyone out there know if NBC's "Nightmare Cafe" has been axed?
   Or was Friday night's (Fri. Apr 3, NBC Detroit) episode just a blurb
   for further adventures?  It sounded pretty final to me.

   I thought it was a pretty neat show, lotsa quirky stuff (shades of
   Twin Peaks, no less.)

   --Andrew
-- 
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(709) 722-2121                       |    -- Famous last words
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 12:34:18 EDT
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Quantum Leap / USA Today

Well, I always thought the best leap they could do would be to have Sam
leap into Lee Harvey Oswald, poised to shoot Kennedy in the Texas School
Book Depository, look through the scope, and see the president get shot
by someone else and then give the most exasperated "Oh boy!" of his
career...

Of course if he's going to leap into Hannibal Lecter methinks this may
be a joke post or article...

Scott
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Mann & Machine (and Steel Justice)
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Reply-To: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.074533.14289@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@nrao.edu writes:
:With the exception of the giant dinosaur I really liked "Steel Justice", and
:if they were to expand on the 'power' that he has and let him do things 
:other than make his son's toy dino grow big the show would have a lot of
:promise.  I guess M&M's 'vision' of the future is cheaper though so it got
:chosen to be the series.
:---


Personally, if they would drop the dino altogether and just give us the
copy and the 2000+ year old friend that would be fine with me.  I REALLY
liked the look and feel of this one... but I HATED the dino.  Especially
the way it showed up at the end.

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From: schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Blake'7
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1992Apr3.101639.24332@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au> <32263@darkstar.ucsc.edu>
	<1992Apr11.055217.8432@unlinfo.unl.edu>
Date: 12 Apr 92 12:17:49

(Lot's of stuff claiming that Blake's 7 ending was bogus deleted)

I've never heard any arguments about who's responsible for the way
the series ended, all I can say is more power to 'em.  That was the
best ending to an sf series I've seen (to the best of my recollection)
and I think it fit in well with the theme of the show.  I don't care
if it was writers or producers that did it, it was classic!  It was the
perfect way to end the series and the single best thing about it
(not to denigrate the rest of the series, I liked that too.)
Personally, it seems kinda silly to try to stretch it out after that.

Just my most humble opinion.
Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
From: sally@romana.Tymnet.COM (Sally 'Lucky Bitch' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Mann & Machine (and Steel Justice)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:26:16 GMT
Organization: None

In article <1992Apr7.023715.7927@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@nrao.edu writes:
>There's a lot that could be done with this show, but they probably won't....

Yeah, unfortunately. Gee, Eve doesn't do a thing for me. ;-) I'll probably
keep watching it, though. Any deficiencies in last night's ep were redeemed
for me by that line about "Drs. Scott, Deckard, Ford, and Hauer", though! :-)

>The movie on after M&M, "Steel Justice", did a better job conveying the
>feel of a futuristic setting, even if it did steal HEAVILY from Blade Runner

Oh, well, if you're gonna steal, steal good. I *liked* this one, but on the
other hand, I saw 'em doing some sound mixing on it last October (the
producer asked me if I wanted to come by and take a look), I am one of
the few people in the world who have a Robosaurus button, and I'm extremely
fond of the director of photography, so I can't say as I'm impartial! :-)
From what I've been able to gather from snooping around the studio, I think
they pulled the plug on it, so I doubt we'll be seeing it again. Guess
robot women are cheaper than giant robot dinosaurs.

Sally
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From: ckennedy@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (chris kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Mann & Machine: Second Episode *SPOILER*
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:20:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr13.222043.21224
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

Someone just mentioned that Eve should fall in love with Mann, I think that 
it has already happened but he is in the position that he dosen't think 
that it would be proper to act on this.  A slightly new twist on the sexual 
tension sub-plot.  

Other observations, any show that references the Mod Squad, Rocket J. Squirrel
(Rockey and Bullwinkle), and the Three Stooges (NO SHEMP!!!) can't be all 
bad.  And Eve Edison really is every man's dreams, a gorgeous woman who likes
the stooges, swoon, swoon.

I hope that they keep up with her investigation of old television.  I want to 
hear her say "Book 'em Dano" just once.  

chris
From: xrcjd@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Charles J. Divine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re:  Star Trek: The Next Generation
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:26:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: mudpuppy.9204101826.AA03065


 rfletcher@pro-smof.cts.com (Robert Fletcher) writes:

>   You may have a point about this year not being ST:TNG best year but what
> we do not know is what is driving this show. Now that Gene is gone is the
> only reason for this show is to make a buck?
>   I saw Stewart on the Hall show last night and the man had almost nothing
> to say.  Is the cast is just going through the motions then, with great
> fear, I have to say that the flame is out.

This could just be the kind of guy Stewart is.  Stewart was a noted 
Shakespearean actor before he got involved with ST:TNG.  I suspect he 
considers the part of Picard as a lucrative role with no real interest in
SF, space, science or technology.  On the plus side, he is a remarkably
fine actor and doesn't have to be a "true believer" to play the role of
Picard well.  On the minus side -- if someone offers him a better (whatever
that might be) role -- off he goes (contract provisions limiting, of course).

I've heard Jonathan Frakes, Stewart and Levar Burton all speak publicly.

Frakes gave a rousing speech at a space development conference.  How much
of it he wrote, I have no way of telling.  But it was a good speech and 
he seemed to be a supporter of space exploration and development -- at 
least somewhat.

Burton and Stewart both attended a banquet after last July's solar eclipse.
Burton gave a few off the cuff but enthusiastic remarks about the eclipse.
Stewart -- the star speaker -- gave a few stilted comments about the eclipse
and then launched into a recitation of Shakespeare's poetry!  Fortunately, I
do enjoy Shakespeare, but I did wonder -- couldn't somebody at ST:TNG have
written a better speech for the guy?  Stewart seemed like a fish totally out
of the water.

OTOH, what do we know about the original cast?  Nimoy's written a book "I am
not Spock!", Shatner's publicly mocked ST fans on Saturday Night Live...

--
Chuck Divine
From: THC8650@TNTECH.BITNET ("Troy H. Cheek  The /|\tari Cowboy")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: SFA Network News Part 1
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:19:00 GMT


Letter from Bjo Trimble (who saved STAR TREK in 1968):

March 8, 1992

Dear Folks,

The Trimbles have been hinting about new jobs and possible move from
Houston, but we've had to be very secretive about details.  Now we can tell
you exactly how thrilled we are to be a part of The Space, Fantasy &
Adventure Network (SFAN)!  It is exactly the project that every fan, at one
time or another, has dreamed about; a special televison network expecially
for the genre.

SFAN is starting out on the right foot:  no fancy promises, no grandiose
plans.  Just good, solid programming with professional production crew and
businessmen who'll see that we stay on the right track during the growing
pains.  SFAN won't have big production shows right away, but it's a
possibility, down the line, if you help SFAN become a real network.

So what do the Trimbles have to do with SFAN?  Well, I'm going to be
<ahem!> Director of Viewer Relations.  I'll get _paid_ for what I've been
doing free all these years -- helping people, talking to fans, going to
conventions, writing newsletters!  John will be Traffic Control (TV
production title for Tape Librarian) with his own bailiwick; wildlife
posters on the wall and many shelves of old SF movies to care for.

Mike Kelley is an amazing man who makes things happen.  He's the SFAN
Founder (read:  "dreamer with a goal"), a long-time fan who talks so
convincingly about his ideas that you'll believe in them, too.

Now is the time to make our own specialized network happen.  Miss this
chance and fandom may never have another; the industry will just shrug and
turn away from us once more.

We are calling on friends, fans, clubs & newsletters to help in a mail
campaign to support SFAN!  Call your friends and pass the news.  Remember
the original _Save STAR TREK_ mail campaign?  If you were in on it, here's
another chance to make history.  If you missed that one, this is an
opportunity to be able to look back, years from now, as you enjoy SFAN and
say, "I was part of making that dream come true!"

Help us make SFAN a reality!

Best,
Bjo Trimble
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From: mvp@hsv3.uucp (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Enterprise go *BOOM* (was: Re: star trek-ng)
Organization: Video 7 + G2 = Headland Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:09:35 GMT

Re: the time loop episode.

Why are their explosions so crappy these days?  The first time
they showed a starship exploding (the Yamato's demise from
catching an alien computer virus) was great -- flash, gas
shell, shock wave, identifiable parts spinning off in various
directions.  Unfortunately, every explosion since then has been
cheezy "Space 1999" black powder pyrotechnics.
-- 
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