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From: jlecher@pbs.org
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:55:34 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <715752466.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>, David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
> Frankly, I don't know how all the people who insist upon taking their own cars
> into work can afford it.  Sure there are people such as couriers and sales reps
> that need to move about alot during the day, but this is Washington DC - the
> capital of the United States.  The largest employers here are the Federal
> Government, and the various consulting firms that support it, not Fuller Brush.
> 
Gee, I would love the chance to carpool! Unfortunately, I am one of the poor
unfortunates who are forced to work odd hours. I travel from McLean to 
Alexandria on Mon and Tues afternoons, then from McLean to Reston early
Wed and Thurs morning, then back to Alexandria in the afternoon, and to
McLean later that evening. Then, on Friday and Saturday NIGHTS, I drive
(alone) from McLean to Reston, and back in the morning, and back again on
Sunday AFTERNOON, going home in the late night.
ANyone want to carpool?> Who else works these hours? I don't have much
of a choice. I work ALONE, so I can't even double up with a co-worker!

What about us? Should we be penalized because computers have to be watched
all night? I haven't had a 'day' job in 14 years!
Give me a break.


Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollution
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:05:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.134142.10645@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>>The lengths to which some people will go to avoid contact with other
>>people, in a carpool, are amazing!  And such blatant disregard for
>>the law, hence disrespect for society.  Very sad.
>
>I have found that people will make all sorts of excuses not to
>carpool/mass transit/other alternative form of commute. I know I used
>to too. I have found that I actually enjoy taking the bus to work and
>biking to work. Regrettably since I live in Sterling and work in
>Tysons, I find it difficult to take a bus to work (The 5Z runs down
>Drainsville Rd. to West Falls Chuch and then I would take a 3C to
>work, or the Sterling Bus system which would take me to the Pentagon
>(why no stop in Tysons?)). Why no bike lockers at the Park and Rides?
>I know there are some valid reasons not to carpool, but I can't
>imagine everyone in that backup on the Toll Road has them.
>

Let's assume, for a minute, that you're right and 95% of the
people driving down the Toll Road are imagining some reason not to
carpool.  Does this imagined reasoning go away after sitting in
traffic for a while?  Or does the commuter end up on Route 7
clogging up more an already clogged up road?  If carpooling does
not increase to the point where it makes up for the extra pollution
generated on the Toll Road due to cars idling, etc.  then it makes
*no* difference.  It is at best a bad idea with noble intentions
which should be canned. 

>Thank You,
>
>Daniel W. Woycke             |"I went out drinking with Thomas 

You're welcome.
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: daniel@clsi.COM (Daniel Barclay)
Subject: Re: Council for Excellence in Government Criticizes Bush Proposal
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Distribution: dc
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:10:19

>> i wonder if the proposed 5% cut would include bush? anyone know?

>> -ming

I heard (on TV news, I think) that Bush is not included.  The president's 
salary (of $200K/yr?) is set by Congress

Daniel Barclay
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Quentin Robert DeNameland)
Subject: Re: Missing the point (was Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollution)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.165834.6721@hfsi.uucp>, ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes...
>Dan, I might only point out that what might be irresponsible to
>you might be a necessity to other people. And your alternatives
>which suit your lifestyle might not be an alternative for someone
>else.

This is true, but to how many other people is it a necessity? If they work
odd hours and can't find a carpool, won't they be traveling when the road is
less crowded? Why does everybody have to live many miles from work and drive in
by themselves? I agree with the other poster who said it should be a two
person limit, and I also agree motorcycles should be permitted. The government
should be building better bikepaths and public transpo too. But as to the
(majority?) of the people whose 'lifestyle' makes it a necessity to live
way the hell away from work and drive in alone each day during rush hour,
well, my first reaction is they ain't exactly part of the solution...


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: robert@monster.saic.com (Robert W Mangum II)
Subject: Re: HOV and why it should be!
Reply-To: robert@monster.saic.com (Robert W Mangum II)
Organization: SAIC, McLean, VA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:37:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.195012.10751@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>Well, personally I think the people who are complaining about traffic
>on the toll road should think about the reasons for that traffic. 

>You folks who piss and moan about it taking forever to get to work should
>think about the cause of congestion, its all them darn cars.

Northern Virginia is not the only area of the country with a lot
of "darn cars."  However, these other places have come up with a
way to reduce congestion and get traffic moving freely.  They build
roads.  They build roads with enough lanes to support the traffic.
Now you would think that 10 lanes on a road would be plenty for
everyone.  But when 40% of the lanes are reserved for non-residents,
and 20% are reserved for people whose work schedules are not
unpredictable, it is not enough.  Maybe we should have a couple of
lanes that can only be used by American made cars to encourage
people to buy American.
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From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Director's cut of Bladerunner: When?
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 22:11:10 -0500

  PK> For you Info:
  PK> 
  PK> Blade Runner Director's Cut is playing at the Mann Theatre in
  PK> Westwood.  Rumor has it it will open at the Rialto in South Pasadena
  PK> (a much better theatre for BR, IMHO).
  PK> 
  PK> - Pieter
  PK> 
  PK> -- Pieter Kallemeyn                     |   phk@aristotle.jpl.nasa.gov
  PK> Jet Propulsion Laboratory            |          - or - California
  PK> Institute of Technology   |   phk@charybdis.jpl.nasa.gov

All very interesting, but somehow I doubt many people in the Washington, DC area
will be venturing out to either Westwood or South Pasadena CA to see Blade
Runner, Director's Cut or otherwise.

Just one person's thoughts...
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:00:09 GMT

David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:

>All true.  No one suggested you use mass transit to get from Reston to Silver
>Spring.  The question here is car pooling.  Are you suggesting you are the only
>person in Reston that goes to Silver Spring to work?

No but I was on the VA car pool list for my entire time at the company
without anyone ever calling - the only restriction I gave was that it had
to before rush hour (get to work by 7:30 PM, leave by 4:00) -
I saw no sense driving rush hour for an hour and half when I could drive
35 minutes non-rush.

CAr Pooling is not generally practical inter-suburb unless you
work at a large company which encourages car pooling.

Working in DC is a last resort.
-- 

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************* my views represent no one - not even myself. ****************
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag)
Subject: Re: Director's cut of Bladerunner
Followup-To: freytag@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: dc
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:18:07 GMT

I saw BR at the ODEON last night (friday) at the first show.  I usually never
see films when they just open.  This is a film worth making an exception for.
The crowd was so devoted to the film that NOBODY disturbed the atmosphere by
talking, rattling food containers, etc..  If you like BR then see it early
rather than later.  The 9:45 show had a line down the block and around the 
corner 1/2 hour before the show.  

The film is a little different but the plot remains the same, no narration
to explain things for the uninitiated, a few more minutes of special effects.

I personally preferred the ambiance of the first film.

--Richard Freytag
From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Kalaka...
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 20:43:11 -0500

  DW is woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke)

  DW> And that wonderful "Kalaka" comercial from years ago didn't do it..

I seem to have missed this commercial...
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From: dej@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones)
Newsgroups: dc.general,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: U.S. Naval Observatory and AtomClock
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:05:09 EST
Organization: Dejital Software

In article <8574@hq.hq.af.mil> snolan@marge.hq.af.mil (Scott D Nolan) writes:
>There was an application named "AtomClock" that would
>use you modem to dial a number in DC that once belonged
>to the US Naval Observatory in NW DC.  Their number

>If so what number do we have to ring?
>I have lost the application that did this little wonder.

I use a program called NRC that connects to the atomic clock at
the National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada.

The phone number is 613-952-7729.

The time of day is output as a 300 bps bitstream.  This is perhaps
the only thing stopping me from buying a ZyXEL modem (I hear that
there's no room in the ROM for 300 baud support).

--
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From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:15:47 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In dc.general, ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO) writes:
> I also think that trying HOV-2 is a workable
>solution judging by the current number of cars with 2 passengers.

Then you need at least 1 out of 5 cars HOV to be at the break
even point, as opposed to only 1 out of 9 with the HOV-3
(see calculation in dc.driving).  I must agree with Dane.
This discussion belongs in dc.driving, just as apartments
for rent belong in dc.housing and cars for sale belong in
its proper newsgroup.
From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: HOV - I vote Yea.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 22:41:29 -0500

  GH is ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host)
  DG is David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky
 
  DG> The largest employers here are the Federal Government, and the various
  DG> consulting firms that support it, not Fuller Brush.

  GH> Largest yes but not the most people - Surveys including those taken by
  GH> VDOT have shown that the majority of of commuters are inter-suburb
  GH> commuters (Rockville to Silver Spring to Tysons Corner to ...)

Whoa!  The Federal Government and all their assorted support companies do *NOT*
employ more people locally than any other group?  I personally find this
difficult to believe.

The Federal Government has branches outside of Washington DC per se.  The
Department of Defense (for example) is located all over the place.  Certainly
the Beltway Bandits I alluded to (companies such as PRC, BDM, and SAIC to name
some of the big ones) are located in rim cities such as Tyson's Corner,
Bethesda, Rockville, and Silver Spring.  None of this detracts from my points
 
  GH> $1.50 for tolls - $.75 each way.

Only if you go from some intermediate point on the Toll Road to the Beltway,
123, or I-66.  If you get off beforehand (as I did to go into Tyson's Corner),
the cost is less, hence my calculation of only $1.00 for tolls.

  GH> But it is this type of calculation which got us in the current mess
  GH> Unless you work downtown you usually don't have to pay parking (I
  GH> never did) Most people don't work downtown and work at small companies
  GH> for which the only alternate is mass-transportation and every offical
  GH> figured that the traffic would be between the suburbs and DC.

I stated that each day I would have to spend $1.00 for tolls and $1.50 for
gasoline.  That's $2.50 each day.  There are 52 weeks in a year, less two weeks
for holidays and let's say another two weeks for vacations, which leaves 48
weeks, times 5 days per week which is a total of 240 days.  240 days times $2.50
a day is $600, which I rounded down to $550 per year as the cost to me for the
privilege of having my car bake in the sun in the parking lot of my office while
I worked.  If I traveled further than Tyson's Corner, or had to pay for parking,
my annual expenditure for commuting obviously increases.

  GH> I attempted to take the bus/train between a job in Silver Spring and
  GH> Reston. ... Total time: 2 hrs each way (if you got lucky in transfers) 
  GH> Total Cost:  approx. $7 per day (rates changed several times)
  GH> 
  GH> It does not cost anywhere near that much to commute by auto and travel
  GH> time is 1/3.

All true.  No one suggested you use mass transit to get from Reston to Silver
Spring.  The question here is car pooling.  Are you suggesting you are the only
person in Reston that goes to Silver Spring to work?
Newsgroups: dc.general,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.unix.admin
From: bheil@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Brian Heil)
Subject: Re: U.S. Naval Observatory and AtomClock
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:29:46 GMT

From article <65627@cup.portal.com>, by Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser):
>>There was an application named "AtomClock" that would
>>use you modem to dial a number in DC that once belonged
>>to the US Naval Observatory in NW DC.  Their number
>>would answer the phone with a 1200 or 2400 baud modem
>>transmitting the exact time according to the Earth Clock.
>>Scott Nolan
>>snolan@marge.hq.af.mil
> 
> 
> I'm using a version of AtomClock written by Art Steinmetz andthe
> docs for it are dated 5/30/89. The phone number the program dials
> is 1-202-653-0351. In fact I just used it a couple weeks ago and
> the phone number for the US Naval Observatory in DC still answers
> at that number (1200 baud) and sends the signals that AtomClock
> cues on to reset your Amiga's system clock. 
>
> Harv

Has anybody tried this on a 2.04 3000 or 3000T?  I tried and it rebooted my
machine.  Not the desired result!  It didn't even set the clock right!

Can someone fill us in on exactly what gets transmitted by the USNO?  I'd like
to take a crack at writing a new version.
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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)
Subject: Confirm a rumor of a computer faire?
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:56:46 GMT


I've heard a rumor of a computer faire that's to be held this Sunday,
September 13th, at some hotel in Tyson's corner.  Can someone confirm
this, and hopefully offer more details?  Thanks
-- 
Richard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: psw@vibes.mitre.org (Phil Wherry)
Subject: Apartment room available: Dunn Loring/Vienna
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Distribution: dc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:28:17 GMT


ROOM FOR RENT (FEMALE NONSMOKER)

A friend of mine has a room available in a 3-bedroom apartment
in the Dunn Loring/Vienna area. The apartment a 5 minute walk
to the Dunn Loring Metro stop (on the Orange Line); it's about 5
minutes to the Beltway and 10 minutes to Tyson's Corner.

The apartment has central air conditioning, gas heat, and
cable TV.

The other residents of the apartment are both nonsmoking
females in their mid-twenties; they would like to rent the room
to someone who sits this profile as well.

Rent is under $300 per month plus 1/3 of utilities (plan on
$40 plus whatever you spend in long-distance telephone calls).

If you're interested (or know someone who is), please leave a
message in my voice mail box (703-795-3748) and I'll pass
your message along to the residents of the apartment right away.

Phil

--
Phillip Wherry
Member of the Technical Staff
The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
psw@mitre.org
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: curt@kcwc.com
Subject: Job Offer - Windows Programmer - Crystal City
Reply-To: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch)
Organization: KCW Consulting, Oakton VA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:26:54 GMT

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MIS in a Window environment utilizing object-oriented programming
techniques and graphical user interface tools in conjunction with
Corporate Information System (LIGHTSHIP) software packages.

QUALIFICATIONS:

  o   B.S. degree in Computer Science or equivalent

  o   Two to three years of professional experience as
      programmer minimum.

  o   Extensive knowledge of the Windows programming environment
      including: EXCEL, LOTUS 123, Q&E, DBASE III/IV required.

  o   GUI and object-oriented programming experience required.

  o   Specific experience with LIGHTSHIP software highly desired.

OTHER DATA:

Position is Full-Time, On-Site at the Naval Supply Systems
Command in Crystal City, VA.

Salary Range: $30 - $35 K

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	   Danny A. Lubin
           Trandes Corp.
	   (703) 979-5566
	   2111 Crystal Drive
	   Arlington, VA 22202

(You can send me (curt@kcwc.com) e-mail, but I will just forward
 the information to Trandes.  It will be better if you contact Danny
 directly.)
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:46:50 GMT

In article <715752466.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
>Frankly, I don't know how all the people who insist upon taking their own cars
>into work can afford it.  Sure there are people such as couriers and sales reps
>that need to move about alot during the day, but this is Washington DC - the
>capital of the United States.  The largest employers here are the Federal
>Government, and the various consulting firms that support it, not Fuller Brush.
>
>If I had used my car to go to and from the office daily, I would spend about
>$1.50 each day for gasoline, and another $1.00 for tolls.  Over the year, I
>would then spend roughly $550 for the privilege of having my car sit idle in the
>parking lot while I worked.  By commuting into work with two others, I can save
>around $400.  I have better uses for $400, plus the extra money I would spend in
>insurance cost, repair costs (due to extra wear and tear on the car) than
>padding the coffers of the oil companies, the insurace companies, and the state
>and county governments, not to mention the intangible damage to the atmosphere
>from dumping hydrocarbons into it.


That's nice.  You're saying that car-pooling makes economic
sense.  But what does this have to do with the desirablility of an
HOV lane on the Toll Road?

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From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollution
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:20:20 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1685678CB.M02449@mwvm.mitre.org>, M02449@mwvm.mitre.org (Joe Gems) writes:
> Question: With 3 unrestricted lanes, traffic on the Toll Road moved freely.
> With HOV, traffic in the left lane moves even more freely (as in maybe 3 or 4
> cars per mile of road), and traffic in the other two lanes moves far less
> freely. Which situation causes less pollution?
>  
>    Joe

I have no idea,  I'm neither a physicist, chemist, nor a highway engineer.
I was merely trying to present the rationale from the states' perspective
on why they would utilize an HOV lane on the Dulles Toll road.

Let's apply Occams razor and find the simple answer, in this case the far more
popular (and possibly more revenue generating*) approach would be to leave
all 3 lanes unrestricted.  The fact that they have not implies some other
external pressure, ie the federal government.

* I assume more revenue with 3 unrestricted lanes, because the traffic 
congestion due to HOV on the toll road will now cause some drivers 
to bail out and take 66, 7, or the back roads

Terry

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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: HOV - I vote Yea.
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:20:37 GMT

In article <716108512.F00009@blkcat.UUCP> David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky) writes:
>  JA is ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
> 
>  JA> The question should be: Does reserving 1/3 lanes as an HOV-3 lane on
>  JA> the Dulles Toll Road have the desired effect of substantially raising
>  JA> the number of people who carpool in groups of 3?  If not, the HOV lane
>  JA> has nothing to do with the advantages of car pooling.  I have not seen
>  JA> any evidence to answer yes to the above question
>
>Okay, let's look at this differently.  Other than reserving sections of highways
>for HOV use, what else do you suggest that Federal, State, and Local governments
>do to further encourage carpooling?

They could reduce fares (or even eliminate them) for car poolers.
This would have the advantage of encouraging car pooling without
ending up with the rediculous mess on the toll road (and Route 7
by overspill).  I also think that trying HOV-2 is a workable
solution judging by the current number of cars with 2 passengers.

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