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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:24:48 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec26.204505.14332@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):
> John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:

> :     Under Unix if you can't get at the other programs in memory, you
> :     just nail their files.

> You can't do that on a properly-maintained Unix system (one with proper file
> permissions).

    Unless you're the one who maintains permissions. What is it that
    people say about the biggest computer crimes being those committed
    by the people who are in positions of trust?

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Monitors for the A4000???
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:08:14 GMT

m92mli@tdb.uu.se (Mikael Lindgren) writes:


>Hi...   Merry X-max and a happy new year to everyone who reads this during the holiday..

>I`m planning to by an A4000 but I don`t know what monitor to buy.
>The preformance of the CBM1960 didn`t satisfy me at all, it can`t handle all the resolutions! (from what I have seen it can`t display Productivity (800x600))

>I would like to have suggestions for other monitors that CAN display all resolutions, so if anyone of you out there have any ideas, please let me know.

the a1960 can too display all the resolutions, yet you are right on the 
performance of it stinking, having vertical lines every .5 cm, and having the
screen warped shaped, where the top of the monitor displays pixels wider
than the bottom.   By the way what is this productivity 800x600?  on the 4000
all you have is 800x600 interlaced in 72hz.  Albeit a pain to have to adjust
your a1960 every time you go to that screen mode.  I know of 3 others,
first there is the nec 3d[ hard to find not made anymore ], sony 1302 
[ easier to find, yet I haven't seen how good it is ], and a 17" idek monitor
that cost about $1000, but handles all screen modes.  Oh then there is the
AOC monitor which the a1960 was oem'ed from, but that doesn't count.

And then there will be some quad synched monitors that C= will have introduced,
in the future.

Martin

-- 
Bill SATAN LIVES Gates is the biggest enemy to personal computers ever.
From: sjchmura@kimbark.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1hta0hINNcct@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>Seriously, the guys at Safe Harbor are great--most of them have been
>there for a long time.  Yes, they're an authorized dealer.  To be more
>(from stdplug.h)

If Safe Harbor is an authorized dealer, then if one purchases a A1200
trhrough them (via mail-order) will C= still honor the warentee?

>
>
>
>--
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________________________________________________________________________________Steven Chmura				University of Chicago Medical School(M1)
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	inevitable.."  -George Wald, "On the Origins of Life"
From: monster@mbear.apana.org.au (Martin Ozolins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
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Date: 1 Jan 93 08:27:25 PST
Organization: Bears Incorporated

In article <1992Dec29.175309.5917@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Martin Ozolins (monster@mbear.apana.org.au) wrote:
> :
> : Pls do not start this again Jerry, the last time you did you went away 
> : for a few weeks after you were proved incorrect about what an OS is
> :
> 
> Or maybe I went away because my company moved and our new router was
> blocking out the NNTP port?
> 

Nah, I like my version better :-)

-- 

Martin Ozolins :Internet monster@mbear.apana.org.au
Victoria       :FIDO 3:633/359.6 AMIGANET 41:300/359.6 TRINET 42:8699/8.6
Australia      :Amiga Programmer, UniSYS 1100/2200 Systems Programmer 
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32256 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19127 rec.games.chess:12035
From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc,rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: UChess205.lha Uploaded to anon ftp sites
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:15:35 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Dec27.010408.27029@crash> uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes:

>I uploaded UChess205.lha to valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu in the directory

[...]

Is it just me, or does v2.x of UChess have *worse* looking graphics in 
the ECS modes than v1.0 had?

Barry.
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <BznCB9.FKJ@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <38103@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>In article <BzMEAy.Esu@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>only posted a message to comp.sys.amiga.applications complaining about the
>total lack of tax preparation software for the Amiga.  They replied, AGREEING
>that the Amiga user base in the U.S. could not support even one good tax
>preparation program.
>
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------


So, I looked up the letter, as I said I would.  The letter included
the following phrase:

:        DataTAX for Canada is no more. I had tried to find someone to
:take it over over but it was not to be.  Datatax users will receive a
:letter and a special upgrade offer to Quick Returns by Ontek, which is
:unfortunately a PC DOS product.  dataTAX/USA will be available in
:January from OXXI, who will be sending letters to US customers in
:early January.

Now, you usually post from the USA, so I'm going to assume that
the USA information pertains to you.  (And you never mentioned looking for
a Canadian tax prep software program in your initial posting)

The phrase 'dataTAX/USA will be available in January from OXXI'
implies that:

1) The dataTAX software for the USA will be available in 1993
2) OXXI has taken over the dataTAX/USA software
3) If you believe that dataTAX is a good piece of tax preparation
   software, then there is a good piece of tax preparation software
   available for the Amiga.


So, if your goal was to find good tax preparation software for the
Amiga...no problem;  you can buy it from Oxxi.  In fact, if you actually
do put your money where your mouth is, and buy the software,
and enough others buy it so the product makes money, then the product
will be a success, and others might enter the market.

Of course, if your intention was merely to flame, and you had
no intention of every purchasing the program;  well, having Oxxi
distribute dataTAX/USA probably should interfere with that.


The other issues you want to drag in (whether the dataTAX people 
want to continue in the Amiga market) are side issues to the main
question you asserted you were asking, which was "Is there a tax prep
program available for the Amiga".


			andy
-- 
andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com

"Unix is the Operating System of the future, and always will be."

Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32013 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18982
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:55:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec21.175003.22727@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
  <1992Dec21.225649.18706@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>

>There's nothing in reality which is 8-bit,16-bit or 32-bit software.

...he wrote as he then turned to figuring out how to allocate 2M
of ram on his PC-XT....
<g>

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 26 Dec 92 11:49:12 PST
 <jbickers.0lzw@templar.actrix.gen.nz> <1992Dec24.014141.22436@usl.edu>
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec24.014141.22436@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> new OSes or 'fixing' HD problems.  Long gone are the days that PC relied 
> on floppy drives to operate, verily: in those days of old, they too
> had two same-size floppy drives.

    We have some XTs around the office, connected to a network. They
    only have one 5.25" drive each.

    The machines that we do have with dual drives have one 3.5" and
    one 5.25", and not because it's convenient but because it's
    _required_ to convert from one disk format to another. Which is a
    pain, but that's PCs for you. It is also complicated by the fact
    that both size drives have different size formats, 360KB vs 720KB
    vs 1.4MB vs 2.xMB, so one can't just use old drives.

> Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32530 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19346
From: zerkle@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Crossposting between .advocacy and .misc is bad!
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:21:23 GMT
Reply-To: zerkle@cs.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

Well, it looks like a few threads have started up that are
cross-posted between comp.sys.amiga.misc and comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.
This results in a lot of noisy .advocacy posts being placed in .misc,
and is generally very annoying to .misc readers who are looking for
the more informational posts.  The whole purpose of .advocacy is to
remove those posts from other groups, not to promote them.

So, if you can help it, don't cross-post between comp.sys.amiga.misc
and comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.  If you follow up to a cross-posted
message, your message will also be cross-posted, so make sure you
check the header and remove extra groups from the Newsgroups: line.

If you really _must_ cross-post, specify a single group to follow up
to.  To do this, put the following line in your header:

Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy

This way, when people follow up to you, they'll do it to just that one
group.

Late last Summer, this problem cropped up.  I managed to stop it by
sending a note to every single person who cross-posted.  I'm willing
to do this again, but I would like a volunteer to take over for me.
After all, I did it last time.  It took about three weeks.

If you would like to help out, just send me e-mail.  I'll give you the
note, and you can send it out instead of me.

--
Dan Zerkle  zerkle@cs.ucdavis.edu  (916) 756-5170
From: steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade)
Subject: Re: Jan'93 AmigaWorld
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
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Date: 20 Dec 92 09:24:16 PST
Organization: Not even Close

Gerald G. Washington (gerald@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:

: I decided to pick up the latest AmigaWorld because of my interest in the
: A1200--even though AW's review of the A4000 was lame.  I wish they would
: at least show some internal shots of the new systems.

Look inside th Jan issue of amazing computeing.  It's a little better and does
show the insides of the 12000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:19:13 GMT

In <1992Dec21.233651.1681@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>: People refer to iAPX286 protected mode programs as 16-bit software
>: and to iAPX386 protected mode programs as 32-bit software. The
>: '8-bit' name is an extension to that scheme and refers to 8088/8086
>: real mode (or virtual mode) programs.
>:
>Incorrect, as far as I know.  There are four modes of operation, Real Mode,
>16-bit Protected Mode, 32-bit Protected Mode, and Virtual86 Mode.  Real Mode
>has nothing to do with word size or register access; a program running in
>Real Mode is free to use the full 32-bit registers and data bus.  Lots of
>current programs take advantage of 32-bit CPUs even though they run in Real
>Mode.

In my experience there's hardly _any_ software running in real-mode that
uses '32bit' instructions because this software works even on lowly XTs
or at least ATs. The major use of '32bit' instructions is to access memory
above 1Meg. There's also a penalty in using '32bit' instructions in real mode
(or 16bit instructions in 32bit mode, etc...).

>:
>: These programs aren't optimized
>: for 16bit or even 32bit memory cycles (by aligning code and data
>: accordingly) so that the name '8-bit' has some justification.
>:

>How can you say that all Real Mode (DOS) software is unomptimized?
>Word alignment has been a compiler option from the very beginning!

However, this option wasn't largely used because you have to anticipate
32bit memory (few people did) when you write the programs and your program
often gets larger.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:41:38 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.164538.21385@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> Come on, Peter -- that's a bit cynical.  I can show you several OS books
> which consider DOS an OS.

    And this is really naive. I can show you several magic books which
    consider magic to be real.

> : As for the RAM requirements, my A1000 with a 7 MHz 68000 and 512K is a
> : hell of a lot more useful than a PC with 2M: To run OS/2, you need at
> : least 4M; NT will require 6M. AmigaOS runs useful applications in 512K.

    BTW, a recent article in an OS/2 Fidonet echo by some folks who
    are beta-testing NT said that with 8MB, it is unusable. With 20MB,
    it is nicer.

> My Atari 800 ran useful applications in 16K.  Not exactly a miracle of
> modern technology.

    So you're saying your Atari 800 is better than a PC?

> : The Amiga 500/600 can hold up to 10M of RAM directly addressible from
> : any well-behaved program written since the Amiga came out. To use more
> : than 640K on a PC you need to install an operating system, use it as
> : a RAM-DISK, or use it as swap space. And buy new software, of course.

> This is completely bogus, Peter, and I suspect that you yourself know better.
> What I don't understand is why you'd want to spread these lies.  Windows,

    What I don't understand is why you post this misinterpretations,
    that are too stupid to be unintentional.

    If you install Windows, you are installing what some folks like to
    think is an OS. If you use Windows applications then lo, you are
    buying new software. If an application uses the extra RAM for its
    own purposes, that's not "you" the user, that's the application.

> requires 2MB.  And I'm not even talking about UNIX or OS/2, both of which
> utilize a flat 32-bit memory model.

    And lo, UNIX and OS/2 are operating systems!

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:05:13 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
: > Yet they would not and do not run on Peter's $199 512K Amiga with no HD,
:
:     As several people have already posted, text editors, comms
:     programs, games, demos, MOD players, paint programs, word
:     processors, the applications most used on Amigas, WILL run on a
:     512KB machine.
:

All these things (except MOD players, of course) also ran on a 16KB Atari
800.  See my point yet?


:
: > which is what we were talking about.  This discussion would have been moot
: > several articles ago if you hadn't twisted it around.
:
:     Ha ha! Funny, I thought it was you who introduced some irrelevant
:     crap about the Atari 800 into this thread.
:

Irrelevant?!  Peter's argument was that the Amiga is superior because it can
run useful applications in 512K, and the PC can't.  My Atari 800 example was
meant to show that it was a stupid argument.  You seem to be the only one
who didn't get it.

:
: *** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
:
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:00:10 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>>	True, but in a few days Origin will be releasing Ultima Underworld II.
'>>   So Dan's stick is going to become a super turbo stick. :)  Anyways, I saw
'>
'>Did you say "Origin"?  The company which is reported to be porting everything
'>they've ever (I exaggerate) written to the Amiga?

	Really, its news to me.  Richard Garriott said in a couple interviews
   a while ago that Ultima 7 would never be ported to any other platform.  I
   guess he could have changed his mind though.  I know that Wing Commander
   is being ported (it may be out already), and supposedly Ultima Underworld
   is being ported (rumors say due out summer 93). I think WC will be the test.
   If it sells well, Origin will continue to support the Amiga, if not, they
   will drop Amiga support like a hot potato.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


'>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
'>Jake Rose               :: Two men look out through the same bars.
'>jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ::        One sees mud, and one the stars.
'>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Distribution: world
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:55:31 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <C022Fn.Azx@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.221215.9229@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>In <C01GsK.L4C@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>>   I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
>>>productivity software available for the Amiga.
>>
>>A CD-ROM is 'available' where you can buy generic SCSI CD-ROMs.
>
>   You are the second person to claim that a CD-ROM drive is a piece of
>software.  Doesn't anybody know the difference between hardware and software?

Sure, but your posting was written in English and therefore is open to 
interpretation.  You wrote it intending to mean there is no CD-ROM software nor
good productivity software available, but an equally plausible interpretation
is there is no CD-ROM available nor good productivity software available.  These
people were disputing the second interpretation as both premises are incorrect.
There is some software available for the Amiga on CD-ROM, but it's limited and
some is known to only work on AmigaDOS 1.3 versions of CDTV.  This too may change
with the availability of the A570/A670, and the inclusion of CDROM on future
Amigas.
--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:28:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Dec31.012831.29318
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Dec27.201849.28679@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
>:
>: > :     What worthwhile PC OS has programs with consistent user
>: > :     interfaces?
>:
>: > Windows and OS/2.
>:
>:     Windows isn't a worthwhile PC OS,

I have come to the conclusion that the Amiga, while having a nice OS,
often does NOT have a consistant interface.  They often seem little better
than a MSDOS-written GUI-on-the-fly.

But since it is the GUI we are talking about, what about the Windows *GUI* 
isn't so consistant.  Do you expect Word Processors and Art Programs
to have identical pull-down menus?

PC OSes are basically DOS+Windows, OS/2, and UNIX+X.  Windows and OS/2
*do* have generally good user interface.  OS/2 is better, of course.
8)

>: > I always found the GUI performance of my 386+VGA to be as good as or better
>: > than that of a stock A3000.
>:
>:     Perhaps because you don't switch between screens at all, or
>:     because you are referring to just text mode apps, or because you
>:     are used to funny window updates, or because you doze off when
>:     updates happen. The bottom line is that the A3000 will be "fast
>:     enough" in all cases, and will burn less CPU time being that fast.
>
>Before Windows 3.1, my 386 PC was a bit slower in window updates.  With 3.1,
>however, it became noticeably faster.  No, I'm not talking about screens, just
>windows.

OS/2 has pretty fast windowing, too.  

>: *** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
>|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
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