HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.warlord
Subject: Re: Mr. Potato Head talks dirty.
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:22:26 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov20.172136.14227@engage.pko.dec.com> buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
>Bill The Cat writes:
>
>>Anyone try eating cheese sticks this way? It gets a bit stringy
>
>      _    /|   
>      \'o.O'    
>      =(___)=   Aack!!!
>         U      
>
>8^)
>
>
>
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entire article included for you cheese stick lovers. yum.

free sample (air fare not included) of theakston's old peculier to the 
first newbie who can spot the tabdamage(tm). ruth, you're not excluded 
from the contest. in fact, i might not be, being such a newbie myself...

maybe i'll just buy myself a beer...
naaaah.


bah.

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	          -just give me what for,
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       naked coed internet grep-always keep your link up!
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.warlord
Subject: Re: Re :Pizza deliveries
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:39:03 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090

In article <922917172932@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, STUCS204@UK signs:
     'Well look Richard's just this guy you know'

     Send Pizzas to   stucs204@uk.ac.bham         \  aka Ricard
                 or   stucs204@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090  \

#Sir I can attactch an wisk to my groinal socket but for some reason
 no-one will eat my omlettes#
-- 
You mean he's just this _hungry_ guy.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)    If Apple owned
 NBC, they would sue Nike for comedy-interface copyright violation.
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.warlord
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Stuffing Rec
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:11:10 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov20.004531.10293@amc.com> reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes) writes:
>
>     *******MANUFACTURER'S WARNIMG*******
>
>This posting contains humor in concentrations deemed 
>dangerous by the American Sobriety Council.  Do not
>operate heavy equipment, bookends, or teethbrushes
>while reading this.  Leg-pulling may result in joint
>discomfort for some users.  Use in the third trimester
>of pregnancy may cause birth.
>
>Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
>			Redmond, WA
>			reb@amc.com


can you say...disclaimer? and what's a teethbrush?

bah.
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	          -just give me what for,
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       naked coed internet grep-always keep your link up!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.warlord
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:52:48 GMT

llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>Rachel J. Perkins (rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu) warlorded:
>: >Office of Grass Integration             Gigabit Study Group
>: >US Army Corps of Engineers (USA-CERL)   U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

>okay, someone's prolly already asked this, since my newsfeed is three
>or four days behind, but what does an office of grass integration do,
>precisely?

Much as I hate to inject some facts into this discussion, but as the only
warlorder who works for a GIS company, I feel it's my duty.

GRASS is a public domain GIS written originally by the US Army Corps of
Engineers.  Now-a-days, outside users such as universities and the like get
the source code and make improvements.  I believe what this guy _really_ does
is take the modifications made by outsiders and intergrates it into the core
GRASS product.

Sorry, I liked the other possibility better...

-- 
[*] ``bah''(tm) used under license from Rachel Perkins
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Subject: Re: Orchestral Music by FZ wanted
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:06:57 GMT

I got a mailing from FZ's company a long time ago and remember they were
selling individual parts from some of his orchestral works. I'm sure they
also sell scores or could give you info about how to rent them.

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From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Subject: Re: Remixes, reissues, re-performing!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:51:03 GMT

> Leigh Orf writes:
>
> I hear many examples of awful sounding digital recordings because of the
> fact that the person who mixed it & eq'd it didn't do a good job.
>
>

One album which is totally screwed is the Beach Boys' Sunflower. What an
atrocity the CD reissue is! The original was the epitome of "mellowness", a
superb mix with everything in the right place (one of the cuts is mixed in
the Dynaco system of quadraphony). The CD is like having a mouthful of
aluminum! Ugh!!
From: ken@claris.com (Ken Walter)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:12:43 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation, Santa Clara CA

waltersm@logica.co.uk writes:

>In article <natola.51.722034775@coos.dartmouth.edu>, natola@coos.dartmouth.edu (Mark A. Natola) writes:
>> 
>> I don't remeber if Lonely Little Girl is on Mothermania, but a lot of the 
>> songs on that LP sound different than their album counterparts.
>> 
>> Mark
>Mothermania had `unspliced' versions of Idiot Bastard Son and Mother People.

Actually it has a remixed version of "Idiot Bastard Son" and uncensored 
version of "Mother People."  There is also added dialog on "It Can't Happen
Here."  "Lonely Little Girl" is not on Mothermania, but the single version
is different than the version on We're Only in It for the Money.

Ken
ken@claris.com
From: natola@coos.dartmouth.edu (Mark A. Natola)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Studio Tan et seq
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:51:22 GMT
Organization: D.M.S. Section of Neurology

In article <1992Nov19.094342.351@logica.co.uk> waltersm@logica.co.uk writes:
>From: waltersm@logica.co.uk
>Subject: Re: Studio Tan et seq
>Date: 19 Nov 92 09:43:41 GMT

>In article <sgy1hnn@rpi.edu>, petrop@lib111.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli) writes:
>> In article <921118171837.23830615@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> FELSON_ADJ@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU writes:
>>>When is FZ going to re-release studio tan?
>>>
>>>Considering how much junk he has released on CD. why is he
>>>waiting so long to release greggory_peccary?  
>> 
>> I have had this album on CD since the summer.  It is GREAT.  I love "Let Me 
>> Take You To The Beach" as well.  What a great album....
>> 
>> Phil, the "trendmonger"
>> petrop@rpi.edu
>I was surpised that the three unsanctioned Zappa releases made it out intact -
>rather hoping that Leather was going to make an official appearance - oh well.

I was also hoping that this stuff would come out as Lather.  I have cassette 
versions of Lather from Frank's radio appearance where he said "turn on your 
tape recorders".  I always thought the mixes from his tapes sounded better 
than the LP stuff.  For anyone who may not have heard these tapes, I think 
all of the material was eventually released on vinyl, but it was spread out 
on 1) Live in New York, 2) Studio Tan, 3) Sleep Dirt, 4) Orchestral 
Favorites, 5) Sheik Yer Bouti (a lot of the dialog on this was from 
Lather).  I don't remember if the unedited version of "Titties and Beer" was 
on that set.  I think "Punky's Whips" was included.  

I remember reading an article around 1976 where Frank was discussing his 
next release, which turned out to be Zoot Allures, and he stated that it was 
going to be a two record set.  Well it wasn't.  I think he said it was going 
to be called "Martian Love Secrets".  I don't know if he was kidding or 
not.  I wish I still had the article because it had a list of songs, and 
I think some of them ended up on Studio Tan.  

Since this info is all from memory, I may be off a bit.  I'm sure someone 
will let me know if I am. :-)
From: james@astro.as.utexas.edu (James McCartney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Studio Tan
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:42:13 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <921118171837.23830615@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> FELSON_ADJ@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU writes:
>When is FZ going to re-release studio tan?
>
>Considering how much junk he has released on CD. why is he
>waiting so long to release greggory_peccary?  

   tangent -->  I wonder if there is a score available for greggary peccary
which is one of my all time favorite FZ compositions. It has some of his
neatest chromatic writing as well as parodies of many styles. This is the
piece I would point out to John Zorn fans .. FZ in my opinion does the
Zorn thing better than Zorn .. and did it before him. And anyway comical
medleys as a style are nothing new.
   --- james mccartney
From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:37:24 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Vinksu Chandrasekhar writes:
>
> I only know the CD version. I would like to know, in detail if possible,
> WHAT
> was removed from the original? What was changed? And I would like to know,
> why everyone thinks the CD version sounds bad compared to the original. It
> would be logical to think that drums & bass sound better...
>
> To be honest, the early MOI don't play too good. And the recording
> technology
> of 60's is nothing worth of conserving. Would you listen to, say,
> Beethoven's
> 5th recorded in 30's? There's nothing wrong to rerecord the music, if you
> do it
> with good taste. (In general FZ has good taste.)
>
> The sound quality is, whether we like it or not, one of the most important
> things when listening to music. That's why I like 'Jazz From Hell' so
> much...
> Everything must be as clear as possible. Everything must be close to
> perfect.
>


I am really appalled by this message. I suppose you would throw the Mona Lisa
in the garbage because the colors are faded, the paint is a bit cracked, and
a computer-enhanced version of the same thing would probably look better?
(Not that I am claiming We're Only In It... is one of the great works of
Western civilization.)

Perhaps we should throw the originals of this album in the garbage and redo
the whole thing on the Synclavier?

I like this album in its original form because that's the way I've been
listening to it for about 25 years. It's unfortunate that the bass and drum
lines got screwed up, but I don't think the decision to add modern sounding
replacements is a satisfactory solution to the problem. Surely it would be
possible to take a near-pristine copy of the album (the original) and use
today's technology to remove the distortion and surface noise. (Anyway, I
hear that it may be reissued, perhaps from a long-lost tape??)

By the way, I think the reissue of Hot Rats really sucks too. I haven't
bought the one of Ruben and the Jets, since I have 2 copies of the original,
both very scratchy (but that adds to the "feel")...
From: waltersm@logica.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:01:24 GMT

Having been rather disappointed with the majority of the remastered CDs I've
bought (Hot Rats, WOIIFTM, Weasels, Uncle Meat...) I'm curious to know what 
the remixes of the `later' albums (Jazz From Hell, Them Or Us) are like.

There's also a lot of difference between the remixing/remastering applied
to the 69-71 material on "Old Masters Box 2" and their respective CD issues:
varying degrees of reverb on Uncle Meat and the like.  Most annoying of all,
I found, is Weasels and the way that Dwarf Nebula `fades in' (as does "Gas
Mask" on the boxed edition).

However, I generally feel that the remastered CDs are more `complete' than the
boxed editions but still prefer the originals.

Meanwhile, can anyone tell me what is the exact difference between the
(original) album version of "Lonely Little Girl" and the single ?

(Does anyone actually have the single??)
From: drjim@acs.bu.edu (James Shanahan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Studio Tan
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:19:50 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <83968@ut-emx.uucp> james@astro.as.utexas.edu (James McCartney) writes:
>In article <921118171837.23830615@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> FELSON_ADJ@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU writes:
>>When is FZ going to re-release studio tan?
>>
>>Considering how much junk he has released on CD. why is he
>>waiting so long to release greggory_peccary?  
>
>   tangent -->  I wonder if there is a score available for greggary peccary
>which is one of my all time favorite FZ compositions. It has some of his
>neatest chromatic writing as well as parodies of many styles. This is the
>piece I would point out to John Zorn fans .. FZ in my opinion does the
>Zorn thing better than Zorn .. and did it before him. And anyway comical
>medleys as a style are nothing new.
>   --- james mccartney

I also would love to see such a score.  Greggary Peccary is hilarious, if
philosophically incomprehensible.  It's one of my favorite Zappa pieces, even
if he didn't want it released in that particular way.


Also, does anyone know of good ftp sites for obtaining musical scores and
lead sheets?

-Jim Shanahan
Boston University
drjim@acs.bu.edu



































Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: jayceem@pike.ee.mcgill.ca (Jean-Charles Maillet)
Subject: We're only in it
Originator: jayceem@intrepid
Organization: McGill University - VLSI Laboratory, Montreal, CANADA.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:42:14 GMT


... although there have been a few unpopular remarks made about the
rearrangements and sound quality of THAT album I MUST admit that the
addition of the bass track against the piano in the part just
before the female voice balking at pub balling is really worth approving.
I think they're maj#11's chords (?!), with the bass guitar comming in a quarter note later on each chord : IMMENSELY cool ! ... and the sound of the piano !!
I'd very much like to know how the shit got done up that way, especially
considering how dull the original track sounded. Anyone ??

       ||------------------------------------------------
       ||------------------5--8--------------------------
       ||--7--7--7--7------------7--------------454---4-- 
       ||--5--5--5--5---------------7--7-----7------7----
       ||------------------------------------------------
       ||--5--5--5--5------------------------------------
           .  .  .  .            .  .  

         pedestrianly ...  
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: redman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Redman)
Subject: Re: Remixes, reissues, re-performing!
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.221430.8932@cs.wisc.edu> orf@ssec.wisc.edu (Leigh Orf) writes:
>
>-> better to listen to. I agree that the sound quality of _Jazz From Hell_
>is very good. But the music.... bleah. Dry & relatively uninteresting (imo
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	DIE, INFIDEL!!!!!   BLASPHEMER!!!!!

Well, no, don't die, actually. Jazz from Hell is a terrific album!
And just uninteresting enough to win a Grammy, I guess. NOT!

Brian B^)
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: bkruem@ciba-geigy.ch (Michael Krueger)
Subject: Re: Studio Tan
Organization: Ciba-Geigy Ltd., Basel, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:11:55 GMT

In article <102617@bu.edu> drjim@acs.bu.edu (James Shanahan) writes:

>I also would love to see such a score.  Greggary Peccary is hilarious, if
>philosophically incomprehensible.  It's one of my favorite Zappa pieces, even
>if he didn't want it released in that particular way.

Greggary Peccary is also one of my all-time-favourites, despite the fact
that I don't get all the words... Does anybody have the lyrics, if yes,
please e-mail me a copy.

>-Jim Shanahan

Michael Krueger

Ciba-Geigy, Textile Dyestuffs, Basel, Switzerland
email:    bkruem@ciba-geigy.ch
From: toby@cs.man.ac.uk (Toby Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: RE ADRIAN BELEW
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:32:22 GMT
	<101583@bu.edu> <1992Nov12.182208.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester
In-reply-to: gvacano@eagle.wesleyan.edu's message of 12 Nov 92 23:22:08 GMT

People interested in King Crimson/Fripp/Belew etc might enjoy the
Discipline mailing list (digest format).  Mail me to sign up. Or browse the
back issues and discography in the Discipline archive on ftp.uwp.edu, in
/pub/music/lists/discipline.

Toby

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at (Franz Schoenbauer)
Subject: Re: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Reply-To: system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Computer Science, Vienna, Austria
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:10:28 GMT

I just have to add my two groschen to the remix debate.
I have all Zappa LP's and almost all CD's and i've played some LP's to 
death, so i do have a vivid image of how they sound. Many of the CD's
do sound different, but mostly just thh sound quality was enhanced
(eg. WRRF, Uncle Meat), but the flavor of the music is the same, so i
have no objection at all.

WOIFTM is another matter. While maybe not an exceptional piece of music 
(IMHO) it is very emotionally touching and has a singalong character,
and (IMHO) requires a specific mindset to be enjoyed by the listener.
The changed drums an bass, an maybe even more the changed voices 
almost completely destroy the mood this album used to radiate. 

I'm still listening to a tape copy of the LP, and haven't touched the
CD after the first few tries.

Is there any release date to the rumores re-re-issue ? (I'd gladly
shell out some money to get an ORIGINAL version on CD)



Franz Schoenbauer, Tech. Univ. Vienna,    |  system@eimoni.tuwien.ac.at
Resselg. 3/188  A-1040, Vienna, Austria   |  +43(1)58801 ext. 4126
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Studio Tan
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:55:09 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <=c31q#g@rpi.edu> petrop@vccsouth09.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli) writes:
>In article <102617@bu.edu> drjim@acs.bu.edu (James Shanahan) writes:
>
>I really love the "Greggary Peccary" story, myself...  Is it me, or does the 
>story end too abruptly when Greggary finally meets the philostofer???  Am I
>missing something subtle?  It seemes that the story could go on for the entire
>disc, and then comes to an abrupt halt.  Just wondering if anyone felt the same
>way.
>
From listening to old bootlegs, it seems that Greggary Peccary is a collection
of various older pieces that were put together, which would explain why
it ends suddenly.  On the other hand, the old, shorter pieces may have
been all FZ wanted to perform at one time.  Has anyone heard about how
the piece came together?
>
>Phil


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		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Orchestral Music by FZ wanted
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:10:13 EST

    The address for purchasing Zappa's orchestral scores is: Barfko-Swill, 
Box 5418, North Hollywood, CA 91616-5418.  I'm not an authority on what it 
would be like to conduct Zappa music, but I do know that while there 
aren't any unusual instruments, Zappa's rhythms are likely to ruin your 
day.  As for whether it's "any good"...what a question!  
/ss

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:22:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Nov16.194921.17395@news.media.mit.edu> ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
>
>Well, according to the interviews in GP's Zappa magazine, Frank has realized
>there are some folks out there who didn't like the updated versions of 
>his older albums. He alludes that (maybe, possibly) a cleaned up version
>of the original material could happen, now that he has "Sonic Solutions".
>(the processing software he uses to clean up extraneous noise) So hang in
>there. 

Frank said that the tapes for _WOIIFTM_ had been stored so poorly that the
oxide had flaked off and you could _see through the tape_ in places.  No
way is any amount of DSP going to "correct" or "interpolate" that...
NoNoise deconvolves the background crud out, but it can't _add_ anything,
as I understand it.

>I'm surprised
>that the Rhino Releases didn't employ slightly more meticulous consideration
>when it came to preparing the Boots series for release. I've used my
>own eq and compression tecniques on some of these cassettes(for listening
>purposes) and it really makes a big difference in the sound quality. 

Personally, I'd rather apply the tweezing at my end, rather than be stuck
with whatever cosmetic surgery might be done by Bob Stone or whoever.  In
a few years, you'll probably be able to do your own "NoNoising" at home
in real-time, allowing you to make the tradeoffs to suit your own taste.

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry 
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