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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:49:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.083652.11599@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>
>And as a return..  a couple of annoyances about windows along the same lines..
>Can you open up a shell on the Windows screen? Or do you have to use the
>MS-Dos shell (which essentially opens up its own screen ;)? And why would you
>want to launch MS-DOS editor from Windows? Surely there's a Windows editor
>that comes with Windows that can do everything the MS-DOS editor can... If
>so, why even have an icon for launching MS-DOS Editor!?

Note that I mostly use OS/2...
But yes, there are some DOS-type shells for Windows, PD or Shareware, I think.
Or you could open up a 'real' DOS windows, full screen, then go *back* 
to Windows, see its icon, change a setting for 'windowed', relaunch it,
and you've got a real DOS window.  Only on 386s or better, though.  People
might want to lauchs the MS Edit program because they like it.. i dunno why 
you don't even get mouse support in it like you do with Edit in a DOS window
under OS/2.  Notepad is a simple editor that comes with Windows - it is fine
for 'light things'.  OS/2 comes with a simple editor like this, and another
mega-editor.

>Francis
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:07:50 GMT

papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>In fact, if anyone was borrowed from it was the Mac, that was real
>competition for IBM machines.  Nobody at IBM has ever, or will ever,
>even notice the Amiga exists as far as competition or innovation goes.

True.  They just cover up the Amiga name with a convenient sticker...
something like 'NewTek'.

-- Gerald
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Help me not to change computers!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:37:35 GMT

In article <1gm0kqINNrng@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>Star Trek 25th Anniversary
>'>   The original IBM version suffered enormously from the fact that it came on
>'>20 or so disks.  
>
>	Does it really matter how many floppies the PC version came on?  It
>   was a HD only game anyways, so you only had to load them in once.

   Yes.  First, it takes up valuable hard drive space.  Second, a CD-ROM disc 
costs a lot less than 20 floppy disks.  The CD-ROM version will be superior
for these reasons and more.  Even with 20 disks, there were many features that
the developers wish they could have included but weren't able to include.  The
CD-ROM version will include all of these extra features.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:22:57 GMT
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David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
:
: However, when you compare a 486 PC
: running SVR4 to, say, a SPARCstation running SunOS, the SPARC feels faster.
: It seems more comfortable - more within its self.  That's despite the fact
: that, in terms of raw CPU (integer) speed, a fast 486 is as fast as a 
: SPARCstation 2.  The difference is system architecture.  There's more to
: system speed than CPU alone, and ISA PCs suffer by comparison.
:

Interesting story.  Then again, there are lots of stories.  For example,
at the company where my friend works, they've been evaluating 486 ISA clones
and lower-end Sparcstations for UNIX software development.  They've decided
to use 486 clones.  Why?  They were found to be cheaper *and* faster, and
they run essentially the same UNIX (SVR4).

:
: That's one of the reasons I stick with Amigas - they're a more complete
: system design.
:

What do you do with your machine, sit around and meditate upon its design?
Sure it's a nice design, but an ISA PC really isn't that bad!  The software
and cost advantages, IMHO, far outweigh any architectural deficiencies.

:
: If you have both video and disk sitting on that ISA-bus in a 32-bit system,
: they are crippled.  Definitely.
:

Why?  "Crippled" implies that it has difficulty performing everyday tasks,
or that there are things that it can't do.  What can't my 386/ISA do?  Please
explain what you mean.  I'd really like to know.

:
: No one ever said that a crippled ISA machine is inadequate for you.  They
: do most people just fine, sure.  I could get by with one myself, but I'd
: prefer something better.  Like an A4000.
:

If you define "crippled" as "incapable of transferring 150MB/sec across its
bus", then sure, my ISA machine is crippled.  However, if I define "crippled"
as "incapable of displaying 1024x768 non-interlaced 8-bit graphics", then
the A4000 is crippled.  Get it?  It all depends on what you need to do with
the machine.

:
: David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
:
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From: ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:36:39
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 01:13:49 GMT


>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 01:13:49 GMT, cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury) said:

cfury> freire2a@serss0 (Angel Freire) writes:

>anyways...among the things he CONFIRMED were that the scsiII card
>will be available at the beginning of 93, the dsp will be out
>sometime a little later in the year, AND he positively told me that
>there were amigas in the research labs with DEC ALPHAS running
>AmigaDos. i was quite surprised. im no hardware guy, but wouldn't the
>OS have to be recompiled to run on the Alpha? isn't it an either or
>kind of thing?

cfury> No, the risc chips can be built to handle MC68000 series
cfury> instructions, as well as it's native set...  This is a common
cfury> thing on some risc systems, I understand...  According to my
cfury> roomie, the MC68040 is a risc chip that is microcoded to
cfury> understand 68000 speak....

Whoa there.  That term RISC has be stretched far and wide lately but
this is getting out of hand.  Reduced Instruction Set Computer (RISC)
has an instruction set architecture (ie the way instructions are
encoded ) that is simpler than CISC.  Basically the goal is to get all
instructions the same length, and have as few as possible instruction
formats.  This allows easier decoding and pipelining of instructions.
(by doing things such as always having the registers encoded in the
same bits, and supporting fewer addressing modes.)  Try Hennesey &
Patterson some good explanation (RISC tilted since they are the
"fathers" of the MIPS and SPARC architectures).

In any case just what risc system commonly handles another processors
instructions?  As for the 68040 it is a CISC.  But it is possible for
a RISC chip and a CISC chip to have very similar execution units as
far as the implementation of a integer core goes.



cfury> Christopher B. Fury        | "...reality was once a primative method of crowd  
cfury> cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu    |  control that got out of hand" - Jane Wagner

-- Andrew Hansford








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From: jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:03:34 GMT

In <1992Dec16.070932.2530@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:

>jasonb@cs.uwa.oz.au (Jason S Birch) writes:

[...]

>>I was just wondering - would it be possible for something like a word
>>processor to use datatypes? People often complain about how Amiga word
>>processors don't support Word or Word Perfect documents. Would it be
>>possible to make supporting them as simple as adding their datatypes to
>>your system? If it were possible, and if it didn't violate any
>>copyrights, I doubt it would take long for a whole range of datatypes to
>>be placed in the public domain... 

>By my understanding that is perfectly possible.  Yet you will need a
>word processor that can handle the datatypes.library and then the word
>processor will not be completely compatible with lower os's.
>Ie the functions of word support and etc.  So they aren't likely to do this.
>Decides Wordworth 2 does all that other documents now without datatypes.

Well... It could be a "feature" that only works under WB3.0 and above, which 
would further encourage people to upgrade to AGA machines. Besides, what's 
the point of not using a feature of a new release of the OS just because older 
releases don't support it? There are already apps out there that support AGA...

While it's good that Wordworth 2 supports other document types, using datatypes 
would be a "nicer" solution, IMHO. You could then easily allow Wordworth to 
work with a new document type that the programmers didn't cater for. Of course, 
all this is assuming datatypes will allow this :). If they do, then they are a 
truly brilliant idea. Today, FID (Format Independent Documents :). Tomorrow, 
RTG!!! (Well, you get the picture ;).

>Martin
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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Hey, Skip!
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:19:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

I've just been downloading some of the desktop gifs from usl.edu and,
Skip, you _need_ some new icons!

Try downloading the woofwb gifs from usl.edu.  I want a desktop which
looks like that!

Somebody e-mail those icons to Commodore, please!  I would love to see 
these icons included with WB 3.1/4.0.  And while they are at it perhaps
they could proportion the scrollbars and gadgets for a 640x480 mode...

	Mark

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: UChess.lha Avail via ftp
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:06:25 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec17.041024.28695@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

>WHAT THE HELL IS IT DOING THAT REQUIRES 10 MEG?  to be blunt.

Oh that. They digitized Bobby Fischer's brain. There were a lot
of twisty passages all alike in there, and so it took quite
a bit of RAM.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:54:43 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.

<SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.083238.5639@utstat.toronto.edu>, philip@utstat.toronto.edu
>(Philip McDunnough) says:
>>I'd like to make one thing clear and be very  blunt about it. Word on either
>>the PC, Windows PC, Mac, or WordPerfect (with its equation editor) are
>>virtuallyuseless for technical typing. I mean useless. You won't find one
>>serious
>>science department on earth that uses them.

>Hmmm....  Tell that to the chem department here that has put out over 200
>papers using Word.  Far from me to defend Bill SATAN LIVES Gates, but frankly,
>you're full of it...			   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh I love it, I haven't used a sig yet but that definitely calls for one.

Martin

-- 
I will never buy anything that Bill SATAN LIVES Gates' presently owns.
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:32:57 GMT
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Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:

: >BTW, an Amiga 1000 with WB1.3? That computer is from 1985, I will
: >gladly try a PC from 1985 and compare it with my Amiga 3000.
: 
: and I am going to try it out some, and I don't give a hoot how old
: it is.

Ok. Sorry, if I sounded a bit rude...

But anyway I will compare a PC from 1985 with my Amiga, and I don't
give a hoot how old it is. ;-)   <- smiley.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:14:16 GMT
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Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
:
: The sad thing is that Intel
: finally introduced a decent CPU with the 386 and 486 only to have the Clone
: makers cripple it with such a horrible bus.
:

Yeah, you're right, Skip.  I've got OS/2 and UNIX here, X-Windows, GNU
compilers, editors, and utilities, sound, applications that you can only
dream about, multitasking, virtual memory, memory protection, device
independence, etc.  I *really* feel crippled :-)

:
: Again, you are making a ridiculous statement only because you are trying to
: prove that you really are a total idiot.  How many machines do you really
: think use the EISA bus?  Pick up a Computer Shopper or visit your local
: Bozo Clone Emporium and see how many 386 and 486 machines actually have an
: EISA bus.  The machines being sold today are equivalent to a 1970's style
: family automobile with a late 1980's high-performance engine, new tires,
: a paint job, and a CD player.  The car looks okay, goes fast, sounds good,
: and even seems to handle better, but it still drives like crap.
:

Great speech, Skip.  Except that you're completely out of touch with the
PC world.

Eccchhh, I'm not really in the mood to dispute the rest of your BS-ridden
article.  Later.

:
: Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
:
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:20:11 GMT

In article <l9k2wvd@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>|> I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. For most things, public screens
>|> are generally preferable to private screens, especially when juggling
>|> between multiple applications. Do you prefer the operation of something
>|> like Pro Page as opposed to Pagestream?

>ProPage!?!??
>My ProPage is running right on the WorkBench, where it belongs...

Does it now use a public screen and allow you to superimpose other
applications? This is what I was getting at, and something that has always
irked me about products from Gold Disk (aside from the Windows wannabee UI).

>|> Since 2.0 was released, my impression of Workbench has changed entirely.
>For the good or the bad?

Definitely for the better. I absolutely despise 1.3.
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:33:54 GMT

In article <BzFHqD.45B@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>"Multitasking VDM"? Oh, you're running them in a DOS emulator, then. They're
>>not written for OS/2. Ah, that explains it.
>>
>>Eventually you will start getting some games written for OS/2, then maybe
>>you'll be able to do all this nice stuff we've been doing on our Amigas since
>>late 1985.
>
>#1.Most Amiga games CANNOT multitask, with, say a download (which is
>what we were discussing.
>
>#2.At least a DOS program under OS/2 cannot grab hold of the whole
>machine, an Amiga program can.
>
>#3.If I decide to cancel my terminal communication and run the DOS
>game alone, it will probably end up being a better game then an Amiga
>user's wet dream!

#4 You Amigans cannot run MSDOS at all, and threfore cannot run
such incredible games such as Ultima Underworld and Falcon 3.0.  So there.

>I can't wait to see the next one...seventh guest.  2 CDs of three
>dimensional raytracing in ONE game.  

I wish I had a CD ROM!


-- 
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Re:The "how to get rid of Irving Gould" Top Ten List
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:06:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec17.150706.9671@ac.dal.ca>

>    ALL this is funny but who is Irving Gould?????  And why should we kill..er
>get rid of him???

Well, I can answer the first, but not the second.

Irving Gould is one of the most famous American composers. He wrote such
timeless classics as "White Christmas", and his songs are sung and loved
by Americans everywhere.

I can't imagine getting rid of him. He's such an icon.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:25:51 EST
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
 <1992Dec14.200017.634@ludd.luth.se> <BzAAHC.K9@news.iastate.edu>

In article <BzAAHC.K9@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
says:

>   Fewer "announcements" and more results.  Atari has proven over and over and
>over again that anyone can make announcements.

If you have examples of product announcements from Commodore that haven't
been fulfilled, let's hear about it. Are you complaining that the VP of
engineering has announced the direction of R&D?? Well, that would be very
typical of you Marc. After all, we've heard you loudly complain that
while (for example) Apple announces future directions, Commodore remains
silent. So it is only natural for you to completely reverse your position
so as to bash Commodore regardless. Do you wonder why nobody takes you
seriously?
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:13:52 GMT

In article <BzFKn3.C2@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>- 24-bit palette [most PCs bought for the home have 18-bit VGA/SVGA  
>>palettes],
>
>What video card has an 18 bit palette?  By palette, I'm assuming you
>mean the number of possible colour choices, not the number at one
>time.

   I'd have to name almost every VGA and SVGA cards that exists.  The vast
majority have a palette of 262,144 colors, which is an 18-bit palette.

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From: jbjones@crash.cts.com (John Jones)
Subject: Has anyone see something like the c-shell for DOS?
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:17:11 PST

I'm looking for something like the c-shell for DOS; not just history
or aliases, but something that allows nested processing. You know,
like this:
If (awk -f this.awk testfile) = "Tomorrow afternoon" { do stuff}

The program I'm looking for would evaluate what's in the parentheses
first and use the output for the "If" test.  I've seen some shell
wannabees, but none that would do this.  When it came to variable
names and nested processing they bombed out.  Has anyone seen
something like this?  I'd appreciate the help.

john jbjones@crash.cts.com
From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:15:42 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Maybe, except that OS/2 games won't be able to take over and monopolize the
>machine like Amiga games do.

This may change all very soon....

Listen to the winds of change....

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>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
>| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
>|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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