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From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Please educate this man
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:39:52 GMT

In article <Bu6nyM.9rJ@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca 
(Jim W "GrimJim" Lai) writes:

>In article <24539@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil 
>(Lawrence Mulvihill) quotes from a newspaper:
>>If Judy Mann had called me, I would have suggested that
>>multiculturalism is explicitly wrong, because it denies
>>the superiority of Western values as a way of life for
>>humans (in effect, setting up situational
>>ethics relativism for cultures).
>>
>>-- Newt Gingrich
>>   Republican Whip
>>   U.S. Representative (R-Ga.)
>>
>>   From a letter to the Washington Post Sept 2, 1992

>This, of course, ignores the fact that the West has never been of a single
>culture.  In this context, "Western values" no doubt meant "proper American
>values".

Right on, Jim !!!  

Sometimes, modern American neo-isolationism and cultural chauvinism (not 
to mention historical ignorance) makes me want to throw up !

Somebody loan Gengrich a buck so he can buy a clue !  

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: The purpose of a country. (Was: F-16's fear?)
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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	<1992Sep8.232114.10501@cs.yale.edu>
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:20:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.232114.10501@cs.yale.edu> yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU 
(J. Allan Yang) writes:

>After seeing the continuing bickering over the history and
>independence of Taiwan that digressed from the thread of the recent
>F-16 sale to Taiwan, I would like to ask you to ponder upon what is
>the purpose of a country for a short while. It will shed some lights
>on why Taiwan (or Tibet, or Inner Mongolia) should or should not
>stay as part of China.

>Lincoln said it well: a country should be for the people, by the
>people, and of the people. Ideally, a country should serve to
>protect and promote the wellbeing of her people and thereby gain the
>support of her people and justify her own existence. Otherwise, a
>country has no adhesive to stay intact without resorting to
>oppressive measures. If people have choice, most will join the
>country that gives them the greatest prosperity and security. That's
>why almost all Chinese and, until recently, many Taiwanese in US
>seek for PR or US citizenship. As you may have observed, more and
>more Taiwanese in the US are going back to Taiwan because now they
>feel they have better opportunities in Taiwan.

>If you are against the forced return of Chinese in the US back to
>China against their will, then you should understand how the
>Taiwanese feel about a forced unification. Taiwan strives for
>up-to-date defensive weaponry as a measure against the dire
>possibility. It's just like many Chinese students in the US actively
>seek congressional support for their indefinite stay in the US.

>There will no problem for Taiwan to unite with China someday when
>Chinese in the US are as willing as the Taiwanese to go back to
>their homeland. After all, we are of the same race and speak the
>same language. No Taiwanese is going to fight against uniting with a
>truly democratic China that takes good care of her own people.

>Regards.

>- Allan

                !!!!! THERE IS A GOD !!!!!  

:-)  

This is the first post I have seen on the F-16 issue which makes sense 
to me.  

Given a _democratic_ China, I suspect the Taiwanese will STAMPEDE towards 
re-unification with the mainland.  It will be impossible to hold them 
back.  

But the way things are now .. well, who likes to look down the muzzle 
of a tank's main gun, just for speaking one's mind about the government ???  

Surely, not the folks on Taiwan.  

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:20:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.165553.9078@wuecl.wustl.edu> yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.194111.25930@csl.sri.com> dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:
>>1) Your suggestions are not realistic.(refering the railway etc.)
>>   We Chinese all want China to be a good and strong country, deep in our
>>   soul. But, be realistic. Where is the money? How much money do you get
>>   from a population that is 80% illiterate. 
>
>Where is your suggestion, I never saw it. How much  money or  effort you
>,as the 20%  of  those  are rich and  educated , contributed  to China.
>
>>   Nationalism is usually the cause of war.
>
>You  must talking about TI or US expansionlism.
>
>>When people feel pride saying things like "We Chinese invent the paper,...compass
>>...explosives". I will say "Shut up, go back to China and enjoy your life there."
>>I like the Chinese culture. But there's nothing for me to be proud of China
>>today.
>
>I see! Power is what you are  proud of.
>
>>one morning and say "I didn't really like what I've done. Let's go ten years
>>backward." The bottom line is: China needs democracy. Are you dare to protest
>>in Tineman Square again?
>
>If "A Word from Chinese" can not convience you to do somthing for your
>own motherland, I would used  the word from "AMERICAN".
>"DON'T ASK WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT  YOU CAN DO
>FOR YOUR COUNTRY" Just to  give you  a  lesson of "nationlism".
>
>>|> "Drink Water, Think Source"
>>The source is pretty bad now and I am now drinking other country's water.
>
>While  most  chinese do  better than black, A-indians in  the US, the 
>source of black and A-indians is the  worst in  the   world.
There aren't any country in the hand of American indians. Their
suitation is worse than Black who controll Africa but poor and have
much less power. Do you understand "what Source" you are selling
in the US!!!
>
dO you  still think you are drinking your "US source" now!
>
>You are really a ugly chinese!
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: US Ironclads (Was: Re: US colonializing )
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:46:27 GMT

cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:


>The first important iron ship was, I believe, the Dreadnought (I could
>have the name wrong).  It was an English ship of about 1870.  

HMS Dreadnought was launched in 1905. There were plenty of important 
iron or iron-clad ships before then (Warrior, Monitor, ..) but the 
Dreadnought began a revolution in naval architecture.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: WHAT REAL TIBETANS THINK?
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:41:01 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <0003@tia.lhasa.tb> Real_Tibetans@tia.lhasa.tb writes:
>In article 86481 from zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu):
> 
>>|> Do you think the UPI report is nonsense?  It comes from a recent issue of 
>>|> China News Digest.
>>
>>1st. UPI does/did make false report. VOA is another big liar.
> 
>Can you prove that UPI "did make false report"?  Or, is it that you 
>don't want to believe it?  
> 
> 
>Tibetans want independence!   China out!
> 
> 
>A committee of real Tibetans.

 
    I just read your several postings. 
You claim "A committee of real Tibetans" and
this means a group people to work with something.  
But so far I got picture is there is only one
person sitting there posting and responsing.
So questions coming: this committee is one person
altogether? or maybe you are hoping and waiting
somebody join? If you can't clear yourself, how
could you expect others to believe you and 
respect you. Don't try to fool the people here.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: U.S. sell F-15 to Iraq("No permanent friends, No permanent foe, Only permanent interests")
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:20:48 GMT

From ulowell!news.bbn.com!olivea!sgigate!odin!mips!suntory.mips.com!mpolen Sun Sep  6 14:18:37 EDT 1992
Article: 90066 of talk.politics.misc
Xref: ulowell alt.politics.elections:12469 talk.politics.misc:90066
From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush Announces Sale of F-15E's to Iraq
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:20:25 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mips.com

Phil G. Fraering) writes:
|> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >In a previous article, jwest@ramona.com (Jim Western) wrote:
|> >>Los Angeles (UPI) - This morning, in a speech to Southern California
|> >>aircraft workers, President George Bush announced the sale of 50
|> >>ultra-tech F-15E fighter planes to Iraq. The fleet will replace Iraq's
|> >>air force which was stolen by Iran during the Gulf War. Each plane
|> >>will be delivered with a complimentary, specially-tooled version of
|> >>The Club anti-theft device. "I want to be the Jobs President," said Bush
|> >>to the cheering throng.
|> >>
|> >Each plane will display a yellow Gulf War ribbon, hand-painted by Dan Quayle.
|> 
|> >I saw part of Bush's speech to a similar crowd about sales of fighter 
|> >planes to Taiwan (I think). 
|> 
|> >As we know, nobody in this election has a monopoly on pandering...
|> 
|> >-
|> 
|> Yah, god forbid we should sell fighters to a country which will
|> use them to maintain their national security and identity separate
|> from such a paragon of virtue like Communist China.
|> 
|> Let's not forget that this is the first time Bush has risked
|> pissing off the Communist Chinese. And what happens but all
|> the retarded liberals start attacking him for it...
|> 
Let's not forget that Texas airplane building employees vote.  Let's
not forget that Bush promised not to do this.  Let's not forget...
_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dog's, never my employer's.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: yjj@ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Is Zhu Rongji a conservative
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:14:37 GMT


When Li Peng called for a modest economic growth,
he was called a "conservative" and a bad guy.

When the "reformer" Deng Xiaoping called for speedy development,
everyone including dissidents applauded.

Now the "good guy" "reformer" Zhu Rongji calls for a slow down.
Is he still a reformer?  How about Wang Bingqian.

A deeper issue I've been trying to address: is Deng's
campaign (typical CCP movement) style in developing
economy really good for China?
>              * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *
2. Vice-premier Zhu Rongji Warning on "Runaway" Economy .................45
3. Former Finance Minister Wang Bingqian Urges Economic Slowdown ........45
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: Change in spelling of Chinese names
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Lin) writes:
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:36:58 GMT

Let's get one fact straight here.  Pinyin was never designed for the benefit of
non-Chinese.  It was designed by trained Chinese linguists as a means of 
teaching other Chinese standard Mandarin pronunciation.  I completely agree 
that it doesn't do much good at getting Americans pronounce Chinese names 
properly.  (I whince every time an American newscaster or sports announcer 
attempts to pronounce a Chinese name!)  The point is, however, that pinyin was 
never intended to teach non-Chinese anything.

Robert Sanders
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:57:52 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep5.035350.18711@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>F. Wang
>
>Well, probably not too much. But it is only the beginning, isn't it ?
>The total cost of 150 F-16s is about $4 billions, it is not a big deal based on
>Taiwan's trade surplus, its about $90 billions now.
>
>Yi-Chieh

   If I were you, I would suggestion the Taiwan government to
buy the land in USA. Even though you take the whole arsenal of
USA to Taiwan, you cann't guarattee the Taiwan's safty. BTW,
where are you going to live? Sleep on the bombs or the missiles?
Have a land in US, may use for emergency.
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:29:17 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <14SEP199223090827@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>  
s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.154244.933@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes...
> >In article <79611@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> >> In article <1992Sep11.225319.9934@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
> >(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> Carl, 
> It seems that you realy believe election. I guess you remember
> that Hitler was elected too, Right? 
> Any comments about that?
> But I am not saying elections are bad, either.
> c.q.

Well, Don't forget the senior Chinese officials and representatives in the  
parliament ( Ren2 Min2 Dai4 Biao3) are also elected. Do you really believe that  
they are elected?

Carl
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: F16s, mainland chauvinistic pigs, etc.
Date: 15 Sep 1992 19:52:04 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Sep15.045040.3955@cs.yale.edu>, yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang) writes:
|>  > Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
|>  > From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
|>  > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:25:01 GMT
|>  > 
|>  > The level of bickering had reached a new level with the
|>  > recent (potential) sales of F-16.  Here is my two cents of worth.
|>  > 
|>  > [..very insightful opinioins...]
|>  > 
|>  > 3. About the F16's purchase...
|>  > 
|>  >    [....]
|>  >
|>  >    Personally, if I am a policy maker of USA, I will laugh to the bank: 
|>  >    not only USA'll get a big fat order, they also have upset the status quo.
|>  >    So much so that the economic co-operation between mainland and Taiwan might
|>  >    be slowed down or impaired.  Music to the ears to have a weaken China!
|> 
|> What an insightful article, especially this last paragraph. The U.S.
|> may set a new record on the number of birds she kills with one stone:
|>   
|> Bird 1: To get votes for George Bush.
|> Bird 2: To help her own faltering economy with the infusion of $4 billions. 
|> Bird 3: To help her own shrinking military industry stay alive.
|> Bird 4: Given that: a) Taiwan has no choice but to buy.
|> 	            b) China has no choice but to be aggravated, and
|> 		       possibly to retaliate. 
|>         To curtail the heavy Taiwanese investments in China and to
|> 	induce new tensions between the Straight.
|> Bird 5: Given that China may be provoked to wage a trade war with the U.S.
|>         To slow down the booming Chinese economy.
|> Bird 6: If Bird 4 and Bird 5 are killed successfully...
|>         To delay or eliminate the emerging of a new super power.
|> 	
|> What a smart move on the part of the U.S. to promote her own
|> interest. Any thoughts on how do Chinese on both sides promote ours?
|> 
|> - Allan

    Very good analysis, although Bush may or may not have had so many birds
in his mind. I think the major reason that he decided to sell F-16's now
is that the cold war is over, the so-called "China card" is no longer important
to the U.S.. The PRC has realized this right after the USSR was gone. Before,
PRC tried to follow the path of Japan, Taiwan and South Korean by exporting
mainly to U.S., now the government is sending the delegations all over the 
world and thus depends less on U.S.. In the near future, when the North-American
free trade package is approaved and the Europe becomes united, we will see
more regional trade protectionism (instead of national trade protectionism).
Therefore, for economic reasons along, the mainlander and Taiwanese should
have closer relationship and eventually are united to build a real superpower
that the Chinese all over the world are proud of.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:25550 soc.culture.taiwan:13364
From: hlu@poly2.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: I do not think so
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:04:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep14.210426.24287
Organization: Washington State University

In article <lb9klsINN9ji@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep12.042640.14524@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
|> >In article <BuFGy2.C4B@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>  (xiao-lin li) writes:
|> >>
|> >>There is no evidence that Taiwan government cares about mainland's
|> >>human right. When mainland Chinese people need their voice, they were
|> 
|> People from Taiwan donated millions to TAM incident, people donated millions
|> of cash and million tons of rice to last year flooding, some organization evn
|> built thousands of family unit house to help flooding victims. Do you call
|> that no care what so ever?
|> 
|> >>If they still love China and the Chinese culture, the mainland is open
|> >>to them. We have Yellow River, Yangtz River, Taishang Mountain, Great
|> >>
|> You guys openly support CCP so much. Don't you think it is self-confliction?
|> 
|> I don't see Yellow River, Yantze River has anything to do with CCP. Both
|> rivers indicate an evidence of failure management. Yantze River now is a 
|> river of pollution collector. What can you be proud of?
|> 

You didn't see? I have seen/heard plenty of them. But most of them are not
very good. CCP just have no idea how to build a modern country. BTW, they are
very good at destroying things, good and bad. They are catching up, but very
slow. Sometimes, they move forward one step and jump backward three steps.

|> >>We Chinese don't like current government either, but things will change.
|> >>We still love our culture, our mountains and rivers, our stories about
|> >>
|> Bearing hope on CCP is a dead hope. If it can be changed, it would have
|> changed long time ago. A bandit nature of ruler will not lead China to
|> modern society. Don't even think of human right! You guys are dead of
|> human right!
|> 
|> 

I have to put hope on CCP and Chinese people. There is no alternative for now.
I hope someday CCP will be taken over by a new, very different generation. It
will be nothing like CCP you see today. And other real parties will be allowed
to exist. I once tried to join CCP to change it. But they didn't let me in. I
was just allowed to follow the great leadership of our beloved CCP.

BTW, why do I always see Chinese people treat themselves as the slaves
of their government, which is supposed to be their servant?


H.J. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zg11@ellis.uchicago.edu (zening  ge)
Subject: For those using Poorman's Chinese TeX
Reply-To: zg11@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:31:40 GMT

I have generated two sets of Chinese font used with Poorman's Chinese
TeX implementation. The only available fonts from the original author
are at 300dpi which is good for 10 point type setting, but too small. 
The two sets I created are 360dpi and 100dpi respectively for 12 point
type setting (when you say "\magnification=\magstep 1" in TeX) and 
IBMVGA or Sun screen DVI previewers (if your DVI previewer uses 96 dpi
fonts, you probably need to change its setting to use 100 dpi fonts).

To install:
1) anonymous ftp to "wuarchive.wustl.edu" under pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS 
   subdirectory to get "wccs360dpi.tar.Z" and "wccs100dpi.tar.Z";

2) uncompress them
   Make sure you have enough disk space to put them which declare about 
   4 MB;

3) tar cvf  them;

4) Put them in a appropriate place so your DVI utilities can find them;

5) To install on a PC, you also have to download them to your PC, but do not
   try this thorugh a 2400 modem at home, which will take some hours.-)


Zening Ge
zg11@midway.uchicago.edu

Sept., 07, 1992
From: phsjjc@unix.cc.emory.edu (James J. Cen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: THIS IS A TEST
Date: 12 Sep 1992 19:01:21 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

THIS IS A TEST ONLY.
From: bub@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: looking for Wang wenming 
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:31:10 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Looking for Wang wenming from Wuhan (Wuhan Cehui Keji Daxue)

Who knows Mr. Wang? Please tell me his address and email.

Lu

Return message to e.bub@qut.edu.au


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:19:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.222759.2607@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.220452.3215@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>
>>There was an evaluation a while ago by the Taiwanese premier calling
>>people in Taiwan only small rich(Xiao Fu) but a poor big society. 
>>40 % of Taiwan's GNP depends on trade versus only 20 % of Japan vs
>>1% of mainland China. You can see why Taiwan is so dependent on a
>>big foreign power.
>
>Not necessarily.  I believe the Netherlands also have a high GNP percentage
>from trade, but it is hardly dependent on a big foreign power.  Same for
>Switzerland.
But they belong to EC which is a de factor country of several states. Their
economic powers are on the same scale. Trading is mostly amongst themselves
with extremely low restrictions. Taiwan, on the other hand, depends on
US as its biggest, Japan, second trading partners, both of which have
considerably more stronger economies than Taiwan's. They can afford to
have a trade war with Taiwan but Taiwan can not. US and Japan can not
afford to wage trade war against each other because both would suffer
dearly.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu)
Subject: HXWZ past issues wanted
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:04:53 GMT

It seems that the ahkcus archives only isuues of HXWZ
on and after Nov. 1991.  Can anybody out there tell
me how can I get ALL the past issues of HXWZ since it
was created?

Thanks,

-- 
Fred Liu, Performance Technologies Incorporated		mliu@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620		uupsi!ptsys1!mliu