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From: thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious)
Subject: [*] Commodore 4000/1200 update.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:35:32 GMT

Once again Australians, I am posting my regular Monday article.

I contacted Commodore again, and faxed through about 25 letters
received from people in the community on AARNet. (thanks for
your support.)

If you ever want something sent to Commodore, send me the mail, 
and I'll fax it through to Commodore for you. (The Marketing Manager
there now expects to receive his fax stream :)

Once again, I've had no indication of availability of 1200's 4000's
etc, etc. 

Sygmacomm, and some Adelaide store were mentioned with regard to 
early buying of 4000's from overseas, and all I was told was
that they some people looking into it.

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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: cprem@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Ross Milward)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: James Cook University
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 04:59:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.011851.16230@bohra.cpg.oz.au> fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher) writes:
>In article <> sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov4.140357.164984@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
>> 	bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>>>So, what is an A1200 ?
>>
>> An AGA '020 based machine to replace the 500..
>
>No, actually the A600 is the machine which is replacing the 500.
>The A1200 is more likely to replace the A2000.
>
I disagree.  I think the A600 will be lowered in price so as to compete
against the game consoles.  With a price of 399 pounds the 1200 is 
definitely the replacement for the 500.  Plus this follows the various
Commodore announcements regarding the current line of Amigas. 

>-Craig
>| Craig Fisher                \ P.O. Box 686          |

Ross.

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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:16:46 GMT

In article <> rda753x@nella14.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Jones) writes:
>  I also have a friend who has bought a 4000, due in a couple of weeks, don't
> know the source though.
>
>   Apparently Commodore Australia has got its little act together.
No, unfortunately not.

>       Richard.
> ps. but then, these could be just rumours :-)
Yep!

>pps. Oh, and I still think it sucks that they _still_ haven't produced a low-
>end machine with a decent processor. The '020 was bugeer-all of an improvement
>over the 68k. And the main improvements it did have are mostly cut out in the
>EC.
You really shouldn't talk about things that you have no idea about.
The '020 was a vast improvement over the 68000, and no the main improvements
have NOT been cut out in the EC version.


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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (George Kourtesis)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Reply-To: u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:24:45 GMT

In article 22948@bohra.cpg.oz.au, fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.0735> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
>> But here are some of my views about Sigmacom and all those companies that

>> chooses to import machines from overseas. Furthermore I don't think 
>> Commodore will stop distributing to Sigmacom. 
>
>Really? Look what they did to Hard Disk Cafe!
>

What happened to Hard Disk Cafe ! I've heard rumours that they went bankrupt but I didn't believe them. I just want to know what happened.

George.
From: mclean@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Stewart McLean)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: A4000 by Xmas: Maybe.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:00:28 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au


   Well fellow Amiga owners, I have just received email from a Commodore
   software engineer in the states and he tells me that the A4000 should
   be available world wide by Xmas. Let's hope he's right. No word on
   price, however.
   
   For those living in Melbourne and surrounding areas, don't forget that
   there could be a couple of A4000s at the `Home Computer Show' starting
   this Friday (13/11/92) and running thru to Sunday.


Stew.
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:34:59 GMT

In article <rda753x.721011347@nella14.cc.monash.edu.au> rda753x@nella14.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Jones) writes:
>
>pps. Oh, and I still think it sucks that they _still_ haven't produced a low-
>end machine with a decent processor. The '020 was bugeer-all of an improvement
>over the 68k.

"Bugger-all improvement?"  The 68000 has 16-bit ALUs and a 16-bit external data
bus - it's a 16-bit chip with a 32-bit programmer's model.  The 68020 was the
first 68k-series CPU to go fully 32-bit, both internally and with full 32-bit
data and address busses externally.  In addition, for more speed, it added a
256-byte instruction cache.  Further, the instruction set was extended to
include 32-bit multiply and bit-field instructions, and some handy new
addressing modes were added.

It was a quantum leap from the 68000.  There is much less difference between a
'030 and '020 than between the '020 and 68000.  The '020 is just as fully
32-bit as the '030.  The '030 adds no new instructions or addressing modes,
just an MMU, a 256-byte data cache, and a more flexible bus interface.  It only
runs about 20% faster than the '030 at the same clock rate.

>And the main improvements it did have are mostly cut out in the
>EC.

That's completely wrong.  It's still fully 32-bit, except for the external
address bus, which was cut to 24-bit (the same as the 68000), giving a 16 MB
addressing limit.  It still has the instruction cache, so it runs just as fast
as the '020.  I'll repeat this point - there is no speed penalty in using an
EC020 instead of the "full" '020.  It even retains the full '020 instruction
set.


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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: nikola@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Nikola Vukovljak)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.011851.16230@bohra.cpg.oz.au> fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher) writes:
>In article <> sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov4.140357.164984@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
>> 	bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
>>>So, what is an A1200 ?
>>
>> An AGA '020 based machine to replace the 500..
>
>No, actually the A600 is the machine which is replacing the 500.
>The A1200 is more likely to replace the A2000.
>
I believe that the A1200 is a better candidate to replace the A500. It looks 
more like the A500 and is about as (or more) expandable. The A600 is the new
low, low end - more like the C-64 replacement. 
Now, hopefully C= will soon release a machine that can truly replace the A2000
for expandability and at the right price. Oh, and an '030 thanks!

Nik.
From: brendan@gu.uwa.edu.au (Brendan Langoulant)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A4000...we can only dream
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:22:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au

mclean@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Stewart McLean) writes:

>>	HEY, I'm Sold on the A4000, absolutely, but where and when can I go to
>>a store and buy one???? I am ready and waiting for the machine, I've even seen
>>a photo on the cover of a Euro magazine, but EVERY store I ring draws a
>>blank on the new machines............
>>
>>	At least you can buy a bloody Mac(or whatever) NOW, not next year.:(

Interesting...

>EXACTLY....I've sick to death of getting the run-around on the A4000....

Wow, a person who see exactly the same way I do...

>Gee-wiz...C= Australia doesn't even know when the A4000 will be
>released and/or how much it's going to cost, not even a forcasted price. 

>I don't mean to be rude...but all I can say is..

>      "PULL YOUR BLOODY FINGER OUT C= AUSTRALIA AND GET YOU ACT TOGETHER"

Commodore generally dont sell new machines until the old stock has
been sold... ie They will probably sell the current stock of A3000's
before the A4000 will even rate a mention...

Commodore impress me that they can still exist.. I mean, when is the
last advertisement that you have seen by C=???  Most C= advertising
comes from the retailers.

ps. The above views are simply propaganda, and are not rated on any
facts but that of observation.
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: nikola@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Nikola Vukovljak)
Subject: Re: Cheapest price on an A3000.
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:22:00 GMT

In article <1dkpueINNg0r@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au writes:
>Now that the A4000 and A1200 have been released, I imagine that the price of
>A3000s should start to drop.
>
>Could someone please tell me the best place and price to get an A3000 in
>Australia.
>
>The only Amiga dealer in SA is Phoenix Microtechnologies, and they want:
>
>    A3000/100         $3650
>    A3000/50          $3295
>
>These prices are for 25MHz and 2M RAM.  They do not include the price of a
>monitor.  The price they want for a monitor is:
>
>    A1960             $850
>
>
>If you know of somewhere that can give me a better price than this, please
>post it.
>

Well, they sure want a bit there in SA! Then again Phoenix were always expensive
You may want to check out Computer Spot shops here in Sydney, as the last time
I checked the A3000/50 cost $2700 without the monitor and the monitor was $700
to $800. Now, their prices may have risen since the demise of HD Cafe who
were their biggest competition. You really should buy ACAR as that is where all
the dealers advertise. Guys in WA may even be cheaper. Seems like you'll have
to go Mail Order anyway.
As far as C. Spot goes you may want to try the Penrith shop. Sorry don't know
the number, but look it up in your post office. They are apparentely very 
helpful and like the Amiga unlike most of their branches.

Nik.

Nik.

Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: nikola@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Nikola Vukovljak)
Subject: Re: Connecting IDE HD to A500?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.040109.35438@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au> albrecht@cs.flinders.edu.au (Tony) writes:
>I'm posting this for a friend,
>
>I've got a Miniscribe 8051A 42M IDE drive from a PC clone, and would like to 
>connect it to my A500. I would prefer not to use an AdIDE as they are 
>difficult to expand memorywise. I would like a controller that auto boots
>and has the option for memory expansion.
>What are my options? 
>Can I connect it through an A590 or can I use a controller from an A590? 
>What straight IDE controllers exist that I can purchase?

Well, IVS in the US make the Trumpcard AT - apparentely v. fast with space
for 8M of Simms. I don't know if anyone sells them here. Maybe try Color
Computer Systems. 09-345-3343. Also, I know of a German one. Golem I think
or some such. Check ACAR, maybe Kaotic Koncepts carries them.

Nik.

>
>Replies to 
>		albrecht@cs.flinders.edu.au
>
>							Thanks,
>								Tony


Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang)
Subject: Re: A1200????
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:42:57 GMT

Ross Milward (cprem@marlin.jcu.edu.au) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov11.011851.16230@bohra.cpg.oz.au> fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher) writes:
: >In article <> sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle) writes:
: >> In article <1992Nov4.140357.164984@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
: >> 	bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
: >>>So, what is an A1200 ?
: >>
: >> An AGA '020 based machine to replace the 500..
: >
: >No, actually the A600 is the machine which is replacing the 500.
: >The A1200 is more likely to replace the A2000.
: >
: I disagree.  I think the A600 will be lowered in price so as to compete
: against the game consoles.  With a price of 399 pounds the 1200 is 
: definitely the replacement for the 500.  Plus this follows the various
: Commodore announcements regarding the current line of Amigas. 
: 
: >-Craig
: >| Craig Fisher                \ P.O. Box 686          |
: 
: Ross.

Umm.. I read a posting about the Future Show..(something or other) in the UK
and they were handing out flyers about the Amiga 4000 SERIES of computers.
                                                      ^^^^^^

It had an asterix next to the process configuration in the spec sheet and
placed under the asterix something about a 68030 configuration too.
So I believe there's going to be a 68030 powered A4000.  I don't believe
the Amiga 3000 or Amiga 2000 are going to be continued as Commodore don't
really need to spend more money designing new boxes...

Regards,

William
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A1200????
Date: 4 Nov 92 14:03:56 CST
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Nov2.030213.13512@bain3.bain.oz.au>, carl@bain3.bain.oz.au (Carl Sandland) writes:
> 	I just got a good price for my A2000, and am READY for the A1200 !!

So, what is an A1200 ?

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
From: u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor)
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:35:41 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

Hey Guys,
	I was just mentioning the fact that Sigmacom can get them.. I am
not a representative or anything.. in fact I don't give a shit about who 
they are and what they do... I just responded to a posting I saw here 
complaining that the A4000 is not available yet.

But here are some of my views about Sigmacom and all those companies that
import the machines:

a) It is a very silly thing to do... Commodore will not support machines 
that have not been purchased in Australia AT LEAST!

b) I don't believe that Commodore should close a dealer simply because he/she
chooses to import machines from overseas. Furthermore I don't think 
Commodore will stop distributing to Sigmacom. 

c) The price that Sigmacom is asking for is pretty outrageous. The machines
are priced at $3800 US with a 1960 monitor (correct me if I'm wrong). Do
some quick maths and find out what the Aussie equivalent is (say 70c aus for
1 US $).

d) If you desperately wanted an A4000 why don't you just mail order it your-
self from the states. The current Amigas (correct me if I'm wrong again) 
are no longer either NTSC or PAL - they're both.. (of course you might
have a wee bit of trouble finding an adequate power supply! probably 
rip one out of a 2000/3000).

So there you go.... I wouldn't bother buying a 4000 just yet... is there
anyone out there that has already????

						Thanks for listening,
						Gerardo.


u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (N Ashford (CHUGGLES))
Subject: How much does SAS C 6.0 cost is Aus
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:00:42 GMT

Hi,
   I intend to buy SAS C 6.0 at a computer show coming up in Melbourne, and I'
   m wondering what the street price of the package is, and if there are any
   student discounts offered aswell.

Chuggles
s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au
s1180252@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au
"Amiga born a champion" Quote from KS1.2
"Now slowly dying" Popular opinion.

Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ. (hard disc cafe)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:34:37 GMT

u1061038@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (George Kourtesis) writes:

>In article 22948@bohra.cpg.oz.au, fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov11.0735> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
>>> But here are some of my views about Sigmacom and all those companies that
>>> chooses to import machines from overseas. Furthermore I don't think 
>>> Commodore will stop distributing to Sigmacom. 
>>
>>Really? Look what they did to Hard Disk Cafe!

Hard Disk Cafe and Computer Spot both played "unfair" tactitcs. (We do
have laws for fair business practise.)

Both stores advertised prices for 2nd party suppliers. Ie, they didn't
always go via C= for their goods. (if this meant bringing it in from
overseas, etc, they did.)

This had the effect that local people who were buying from Commodore 
legitametly often found them selves unable to match, or compete
with competition that they enforced.

You may say, so what? HDC and CS were doign their best to get the
cheapest prices, etc, but C= Australia was loosing out. Not to 
mention that they had no say over market forces here for their
product, etc. If you go to the effort of marketing a product
in a country, the last thing you want is for someone to get it
from somewhere else.

C= were sued sucessfully by some small businesses (Ultraphase, etc)
for unfair business tactics a while ago. (supplying goods
and stating Minimum prices that had to be adhered to, or denial
of those goods is a nono). I suppose they've been forced to play
by the rules, and it's fair that others do as well.
--
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Anything I may say that may be deemed offensive and/or damaging should NOT
be redirected to administration, as they have had nothing to do with it. 
Please direct any/all complaints/enquiries to thecure@ee.mu.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: samlor@csis.dit.csiro.au (Sam Lor)
Subject: A500 parts WANTED
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:47:19 GMT

Hi all,

If anybody doesn't need the RF520 modulator for their A500 and it has been
sitting in some forgotten corner gathering dust I have a sudden need for
one. Also, the cover of the side expansion port for the A500. I lost those
items sometime ago, I suspect it was when I moved house. I will of course
pay for postage if you can be bothered posting them to me but I don't really
want to pay for these items. I only want them if you have no use for them
yourselves. Help me out. Thanks. Although this newsgroup doesn't seem to be
over-cluttered (ie some activity woukd be good) you might like to email me
your generous offers.

-Sam
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: fisherc@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Craig Fisher)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.
Organization: Computer Power Software
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.0735> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
> But here are some of my views about Sigmacom and all those companies that
> import the machines:
>
> a) It is a very silly thing to do... Commodore will not support machines 
> that have not been purchased in Australia AT LEAST!

As a parallel to this, a number of dealers have been bringing in software
directly from the US, rather than buying it from the local distributors.
This means that they can sell it cheaper, but the buyer will not be
eligible for any support from the local distributor. Buyers beware!
Next time you buy a package from a dealer, ask whether it was sourced
from the official local distributor, or at least ask who will be providing
support for it.

> b) I don't believe that Commodore should close a dealer simply because he/she
> chooses to import machines from overseas. Furthermore I don't think 
> Commodore will stop distributing to Sigmacom. 

Really? Look what they did to Hard Disk Cafe!

-Craig
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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Subject: Re: How much does SAS C 6.0 cost is Aus
Organization: The Shell
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:13:37 GMT

s1180252@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (N Ashford (CHUGGLES)) writes:
>Hi,
>   I intend to buy SAS C 6.0 at a computer show coming up in Melbourne, and I'
>   m wondering what the street price of the package is, and if there are any
>   student discounts offered aswell.
From what I remember from the mailer, yes there are student discounts.
With discount it costs about $315 and I think the recommended retail was
about $625. Upgrading from an earlier version cost about $175 which
reminds I should send the cheque of soon.
Hope that helps.
ta-ta

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Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
Subject: Re: Desperate for July/August issue of THE ONE
From: ewasdih@state.systems.sa.gov.au (Don Healey)
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:22:10 ACST
Organization: State Systems, South Australia

I now have the required issue and no one else need reply.

Thanks to all those who offered to help.

-- 
Don Healey
Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga
From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Subject: Re: A4000 available in OZ.(Warranty length)
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:39:32 GMT

In article <thecure.721305780@munagin>, thecure@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious) writes:
|> amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith) writes:
|> >tp924353@gum.canberra.edu.au (Jason Hecker) writes:
|> >>In <1992Nov7.095311.26590@cs.uow.edu.au> u9155406@cs.uow.edu.au (Gerardo Bentancor) writes:
|> 
|> This has since changed, and now the industry standard (home computer)
|> 1 year warranty applies on all accesories.

I don't know about Melbourne, but round here nearly all the PC clone shops
are offering 2 to 3 year warranties! Since the A4000 is meant to be of better
quality than a noname PC wouldn't it have a longer warranty? Although I have
just been told that Apple only give one year.
Oh well, at least APpLe ship machines to customers, C= seem to hide them :-(

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