HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Homecoming (Was: I'm very disappointed in Chinese)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:11:13 GMT

william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo) writes:

>>I would also like to give you my suggestion. Go back to Hong Kong and
>>contribute what you know. You said you are from HK, right? Go back with
>>me! I'm leaving US this month. It will be wonderful to accept the 
>>unprecedented challenge of HK.

>	** I think I'll be joining you, too - sooner or later. I really
>	   want to devote myself to our home although that mightn't
>	   sound siginificant at all. But I think it's still one of the
>	   greatest things to do - to me - it's always been. 
>	   A hope I've always cherished.  

As a matter of fact, I'm going to HongKong end of the year, and I will
be setting up Unix for communication between ShenZhen and HongKong.

How's that for computerizing China, and improving HKG/SZ economy?

:-)

See you there!  Call me!!!

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: What about Tibet?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.151857.13120@wuecl.wustl.edu>, yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu) writes...
>In article <1992Sep2.083303.16636@alf.uib.no> NGFZH@livid.uib.no writes:
>>>>In article <1992Aug26.053313.10212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 
>But we have to addmit that Christians or people who claim themselves
>as Christians killed more innocent people than all other religions
>in the world. The fact is that "ChristianalitY" is the most aggressive
>religon in the world. I think it is better to deal with Dalai.
>It once again prove that Eastern religon is better.
> 
> 
> 


I agree with your comment that Christians killed a lot of innocent people.
I do not know whether Christianity is the MOST aggressive religion.
But I need to point out that Dalai did not killed people for religious
believe, at least, not only for religious believe. I am not suggesting
which one is better than the other. But if killing
can be justified by some token, say American killed Iraqis during
the Gulf War, then at least those people who buy the token would feel
better. 

Sorry if it sounds too lousy. What I am saying is that if you
believe Christianity, then the killing Christians did hundreds years
ago would be justified. Just like if you belive Mao, then you would
feel justified for his killing of Liu.

However, most of Dalai's killing would not be justified by any religious
or political faith.

c.q.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Subject: Jokes 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
   As long as I'm not going to do anything this afternoon, I might as well
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:46:51 GMT

Joke 1 (from 'Naked Gun'?):
Man: How about dinner tonight, you like Chinese?
Woman: Yes.
Man: Ok, then you prepare the dinner, and I'll invite Wang over.

Joke 2 (from 'Head of the Class'):

Female Teacher:  What did you do last night (Christmas Eve) ?
Male Teacher:  I went to Chinatown, it made me feel like home.
Female Teacher: How, are you Chinese?
Male Teacher: No, but it makes me think about the Chinatown in London.

Joke 3:
 A man was newly assinged the head of Chinese Department in CIA, when he broke
the news to his wife, the wife was very suprised.  Here is their conversation:

Wife:  How could they make you the head of Chinese Department, you donot speak
Chinese, you donot read Chinese, come to think of it, you know nothing about
China?

Husband: If I know everything, why they need CIA for?

Joke 4:
 A Chinese student asked an American girl out.  They had a very nice time, so
they feel much relaxed about each other.  The girl was able to ask some more
personal questions.

Girl: I heard that Chinese men are not really good at bed, is that a truth?

Chinese man:  That's simply nonsense, how do you think 1 billion Chinese
people come from?

Joke 5:
  A woman went into a grocery store.

Woman:  Hi, I'm looking for some China.
Clerk:  Sorry, the only thing we have left are Turkeys.

Joke 6:
  A self-proclaimed Chinese freedom fighter recently got his greencard, the
Cuban officemate congratulate him but was somehow puzzled.

Cuban:  I thought you are a freedom fighter just like I used to be, how
come you decided to stay at America?

Chinese:  I said I was a freedom fighter, did I mention anything about
fighting in China?

Cuban: Huh?



Brian.

No intention to insult anyone, just for some Tuesday afternoon fun.
From: eshen@.stern.nyu.edu (Eileen Shen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Help! Burning!(Re: Protection Bill)
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:56:47 GMT
Organization: New York University

Dear Chang-ning Qu:

I always try to post as professionally as possible. But if someone
insults you unprovokedly, (In this case invoking "* running dog". I
didn't top that if check the _Top 10 List_.) you kind of lose some
control and want to shut the guy up once and for all. I apologize for
going too far and will heed to your advice. Thank you very much.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:49:38 GMT

>"Vote" is NOT the most important thing and should never be. The
>important thing is the respect for individual's rights. Individuals,
>even if they are ethnic, religious or political minorities who don't 
>have much chance to win in a voting process, need to have their 
>rights respected and protected.
>

To be able to vote will eventually make people respect individual's rights.
In most of the democratic elections, the winning party may win by a small 
margin. So, even a few percentages of minoritis will make difference 
between win and lose. It is 'voting' that will make people respect other 
people's right as long as a political party  want to win in an election.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Subject: Re: What Would Lu Xun Say?
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:20:00 GMT

/* acf3:soc.culture.china / rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) /  3:40 pm  Aug 26, 1992 */

I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu Xun, 
one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even 
fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you 
think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?

Robert Sanders
/* ---------- */
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 12
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:44:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 12)

Between 700 AD and 709 AD, The first printed reference to "ball arithmetic",
which may have been an early form of the abacus, appears in Chinese texts;
it implies that the abacus goes back to the 2nd century AD.

In 748 AD, the first printed newspaper appears in Beijing, China.

Between 790 AD and 809 AD, the ancestor of paper money is in use in
China,  especially as bank drafts on money deposited; it can be
exchanged for hard cash at a later date or at a different bank;
Chinese mathematicians use the method of finite differences to solve
equations.

In 812 AD, the Chinese government takes over the issuing of paper bank
drafts, the ancestor of paper money.

Between 830 AD and 839 AD, the Utrecht psalter provides the oldest
evidence of a crank handle for turning wheels in the West, nearly a
thousand years after the Chinese use of such handles.

Between 840 AD and 849 AD, Suleiman travels to China; the account of his
trip is the first reporting about China in the Arab world.

Between 850 AD and 859 AD, in China, Classified essentials of the
mysterious Tao of the true origin of things, attributed to Cheng Yin,
describes a primitive form of gunpowder; it warns against mixing it
because of the danger of burning both the experimenter and the house in
which the experiment is taking place.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: fight over water
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:57:33 GMT

In article <715515015.17965@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Chinese farmers fight over water right
>
>According to Today's British newpaper, farmers of Hubei and Hunan
>fighted for the right of water. As a result, the Red Flag Cannal
>was blown up. The stormy water destroys houses and farms.

Wait a second. I remember the Red Flag Cannal is in HeNan province.
Anybody confirms this?

Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:25:05 GMT

|> he mention taxing the rich 2%?  I have heard of a figure $50,000.  Well, if so, an
							^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

the number is $200,000. 


|> average senior engineer in Silicon Valley is going to be taxed as rich!
|> 
|> 	>In the long run, I believe if Clinton wins, he'll be such a bad President
|> 	>that he will give the final blow to the now-dying Democratic party.  Since
|> 	>the main party philosophy is basically dead, the Party has become an uneasy
|> 	>get-together of non-mainstream people with very different philosophies
|> 	>who had to nominate Clinton, whose philosophy could easily have been mistaken
|> 	>for a Republican one just several years ago, in order to get any chance at
|> 	>the White House.  I think the break-up and the weakening of the party is
|> 	>coming, and Clinton will make it earlier if he wins.
|> 
|> -cw-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep2.150744.9759@acuson.com>
	<92Sep2.152455edt.119@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>
	<JMC.92Sep2171613@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<92Sep3.100424edt.136@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:24:28

In article <92Sep3.100424edt.136@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:

   In article <JMC.92Sep2171613@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
   >The claim that Cuba was virtually a U.S. colony and that this was the
   >reason for Castro's success is axiomatic in leftist circles, i.e. it
   >doesn't require any supporting arguments.  Not everyone who subscribes
   >to that view accepts such axioms.  Could it be refuted by the existence
   >of a diplomatic note from the Secretary of State to Batista asking him
   >to allow more democracy and Batista ignoring it?  Or is it a higher
   >truth immune to any kind of evidence?
   >
   I don't suppose uncle Sam said to Batista that "no carrots to you
   bad boy" if he doesn't allow more democracy?  Can Batista government
   function for half a day without US support?   

   >Anyway, precisely what is a "virtual colony"?

   It normally identified as a banana republic, where the CIA decides
   who to be el presidente/top monkey, the agency, does allow however,
   military coups once a while, where the country is mainly owned
   by foreigners, also there usually large US naval/air bases present,
   lands leased for 99 years in a fair bilateral treaty, 
   and the red light districts which goes with it.  

   >--
   >John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
   >*
   >He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.


Now prove that any banana republics ever existed according to your
definition.  Justify or modify the "half a day".
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (dp)
Subject: The used one (Re: Olympic Swimming Gold...)
Organization: RHIC: (Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
Distribution: soc
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:01:16


Subject: The used one (Re: Olympic Swimming Gold...)

DP:

The machine at ucb keeps bouncing my post these two days. Please forward
for me. -- Lix

You wrote:
>>>>> In article <BtJvzA.AyK@acsu.buffalo.edu>
<(Xiaofei's deleted)
That's tons of bull. When you bought a new car, it's likely the car was
already test driven many times. Was it a used one or new?  BTW, you have to
put down the mileage to seal the deal.;-)
<(Xiaofei's deleted)
"New" is relatively new to the beholder. For example, you dumped your
boyfriend a few weeks ago, you find a boyfriend this week. Let's see how you
introduce him to your family following your reasoning line: hi, this is my
new boyfriend, never be-friended with any one before. I may or may not have a
boyfriend before, that doesn't matter. This is a new one, never used. ;-)
>>>>> (End of quote)

I believe you have misunderstood Xiaofei. His point is to modify Bo Xiong's
original so that his point can be compred to mine as the following:

:As for what does "new husband" really/truely mean/imply, ask
:Xiaofei WANG (the used one)
:or Lix (the old one :-) on SCC :-)
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Future of China
Date: 28 Aug 1992 16:09:55 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu

In article <1992Aug27.071118.2918@sinix.UUCP>, shu@sinix.UUCP (Leif Schumacher) writes:
|> For all out there who are interested in China I would like to start a new 
|> discussion on Chinas future. 
|> 
|> First I propose a few points of discussion:
|> 
|> 
|> THe CCP regime will not last forever. It will be followed (sooner or later) 
|> 	by some form of government which is open and democratic.
|> 	This will hapen either peacefully or through a revolution.
|> 
|> China does not have a democratic tradition.
|> 
|> 
|> The result of these points lead to the questions:
|> 
|> 	1) How could this transition happen ?
|> 	2) What type of government will follow ?
|> 	3) How long and when will this transition occur ? 
|> 
|>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
|>  Leif Schumacher				shu.muc@sni-usa.com
|>  SNI AG - STO XS 322				
|>  Otto-Hahn-Ring 6				Tel: (0049) 89-636-43290
|>  W-8000 Muenchen 83				FAX: (0049) 89-636-42833
|>  Germany
|>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
   

     China probably will not look like Germany or U.S.A. when it is more open
and democratic in the future. It will more look like Singapore, Taiwan or South
Korean. The transition is happening now and helped by CCP itself. In 50 years,
China will be an economic superpower as well as a millitary superpower. The lion
will wake up!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,chi.general
From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
Subject: Re: Attention!!! All Readers in Chicago Area
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:15:42 GMT

In article <92239.125642U35152@uicvm.uic.edu> <U35152@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Hi! Everybody!
>I am organizing a trip to Washington D.C. from Chicago, I would love each of
>you to participate.
>We will leave on December 18, 1992 (Friday) in Chicago, back on December 21,
>1992 (Monday).

It is understandable that people in Chicago want to get away from the lakefront
in December. But I doubt they want to escape wind and snow just in order to 
embrace another chilly place.

Besides, no free commercial ad in this group.
___
From: PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:25:06 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.China.
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Aug26.225946.28343@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) says:
>      Can anybody tell me what French people feel if some foreigners offend
>Napoleon? Or even What a German feels if some foreigner attack Hitler rudely?
>      Maybe I made wrong comparison, but I do believe Mao has some kind
>link with recent culture of China whatever you like or not.

Are you from outerspace or what?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: CCP's new leniency.
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:04:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.123816.1@max.u.washington.edu> shiping@max.u.washington.edu writes:

>[...]
>
>From this piece of CCP's record, I do not think that I still trust CCP.  
>What is your opinion about CCP?

  Full of opportunists/hypocrites.

-ping
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:28:55 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Aug25.170101.3480@Princeton.EDU> muyu@burn.Princeton.EDU (Muyu Guo) writes:
>From article <1992Aug25.143807.12175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha):
>> 
>> 
>> Do you buy the Lei Feng story, too? Or just the Dalai Lama story?
>> 
>
>Bias is worse than ignorance, as the old saying goes. I would also
>say, knowing little about China with preoccupied thoughts is worse
>than knowing nothing about China.  The Lei Feng thing and the
>Dalai Lama are completely irrelevent matters, with very very
>different context and implication.  The author of above post seems
>have little or no idea about how huge and complex China really is.
>China is a world by itself. You must see and live there to know
>what it really is. Simple minded stereotyping is the easiest and
>most misleading thing for an outsider to do, unfortunately.


Your logic and argumentation are rather pathetic, I'm afraid. Having lived
in China does not make you an authority on China. My having not lived there
(although I actually have) does not automatically make me totally ignorant 
of all that happens there. 

Many Chinese know a whole lot more about American history than I do, but
when discussing it, I don't just dismiss their arguments out of hand 
because they weren't born here.

And the Lei Feng and Dalai Lama issues *are* relevant to one another,
in exactly they way I presented them. Both are *possibly* (and possibly
not) CCP propaganda.

"You can't ever understand XXX" is the emptiest argument I can think of.
At least do me the service of *explaining* to me how it is that I 
demonstrate my ignorance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: SCC wins the contest: use of Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:48:33 GMT

    In article zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
    >  Top ten most fashionable words:
    >  10.  you jerk    9.  you idiot    8.  you hypercrotic    7.  dogshit
    >   6.  bullshit    5.  what-so-ever shit 4.ass 3.asshole   2.  f**k
    >   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:
    >   you communist running dog!  

OK.  I did some quite scanning just for fun.  Here is the list of words
I used for fgrep'ing from all articles in my netnews machine. 
    jerk
    idiot
    hell	[filtered out shell, hello, hellenic, mitchell] 
    shit	[cover also dogshit, bullshit. Filtered out Matsushita, Kinoshita, etc]
    assh	[ass would pull in a lot posting from U.Mass]
    fuck
    f*k
    communist running dog

Here is the result:  SCC wins hands down!  No other group comes even close!
                     
If you take a look at the newgroup which has > 100 articles, asean, british,
japan, jewish, nordic, usa has less than 10 articles or mentions of these
words.	I am especially impressed with the groups jewish and japan: over 200 
articles with only 5 or 6 mentions [even some of the mentions are innocuous
use of the word hell].
 -cw-


                     # of articles containing the word
       total # article        total # of lines containing the word 
---------------------------------------
afghanistan	20	0	0
african		62	2	2
arabic		45	2	2
asean		164	5	7
asian		1	0	0
asian.american  227	23	28	
australian	52	4	4
bangladesh	20	0	0
brazil		47	1	2
british		150	1	1
bulgaria	34	2	2
canada		92	2	2
caribbean	13	2	2
celtic		79	5	6
china		383	44	67	***** 
cis		0	0	0
esperanto	8	0	0
europe		220	17	19
filipino	60	1	1
french		164	13	15
german		183	9	17
greek		237	20	26
hongkong	132	10	15	
indian		378	9	10
iranian		159	12	13
italian		13	0	0
japan		203	6	6
jewish		249	5	5
korean		201	13	17
latin-america	31	0	0
lebanon		25	0	0
magyar		2	0	0
mexican		74	1	1
misc		2	0	0
nepal		11	0	0
netherlands	34	1	1
new-zealand	26	2	2
nordic		103	1	1
pakistan	182	10	13
polish		75	10	17
portuguese	21	0	0
romanian	21	0	0
soviet		47	2	2
spain		20	0	0
sri-lanka	9	1	1
taiwan		194	14	15	
thai		72	2	3
turkish		203	15	15
usa		136	2	2
vietnamese	353	15	17
yugoslavia	71	4	4

PS: This is a simple-minded fgrep.  One have to take the
result with grain of salts.  Simply mentioning the word
does not necessarily reflect the style of the author or
the 'pollution level' of the group as some appearence
merely include some other posting.  The word 'hell' in
particular, is used very often in an innocuous way.

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