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From:         DOWNES@TWSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      GRACE PERIODS

At Wichita State we find that 60%-65% of our materials are returned on or
before the due date with an additional 25%-30% returned during our 5 day
"grace" period. We are interested in the return rates experienced by both
those libraries using grace periods and by those libraries not using them.
Like others reporting to the list, our fines accumulate during the "grace"
period. We generally tell patrons that although the fines are accumulating,
they will not be posted to the patron record until the fine reaches $1.50 per
item.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:11:09 EDT
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From:         Janis Bandelin <JBANDEL@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      circulation information for patrons

We are about to create our first circulation information handout for
public consumption.  There have been objections to including certain
information, the reasoning being that people may complain (like
students, about the fact that faculty have more generous borrowing
limits).  There is also a concern that patrons may take advantage of
certain published information.  For example, if they know that the
maximum fine is $5.00, they will keep an overdue item for as long as
they want once that limit has been reached.

Has your library experienced negative ramifications when certain information
was made available to the public in written form, even though the same
policies were followed before that time (though not published and available
for mass consumption)?

In our case, the information that one administrator wants to omit, is available
by asking the circulation staff.  The information in question deals with
various borrowing categories and priviledges, the grace period, and limits
on fines.

Please respond to me personally, or to the list.

Thanks.

Janis Bandelin
Head of Public Services
Mercer University Main Library
JBANDEL@UGA    912-752-2031
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From:         Sarah Jones <SAAJONES@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Grace periods

To Emily:         (Emily Batista, University of Pennsylvania)

Yes, I know our fines system here at the U of Indpls sounds
complicated.

The fine for an overdue book is $.10 per day.  This fine is collected
beginning on the 11th day overdue (making the minimum fine $1.10)--thus,
giving, in effect, a 10 day grace period.

In an attempt to cut down on long-term overdues, we've instituted a
policy where, when a book is returned one month or more after that
initial 10 days (I'll explain why this wrinkle is there in a sec.),
the total fine on the book is doubled... in effect, making it $.20
per day going back to the original due date.

No, we're not automated (yet.... we hope to be in 1 1/2-2 years...)
and that is the  source of the weird dates for the policy.
We manually send overdues notices on the 11th day overdue.  Part of
the notice informs the patron of the consequences of being lon-term
(oops... "long-term") overdue.  The most straightforward way we
could think of doing it, for both the patron and our Student
Assistants (who process the overdues) was to make the date one
month after the overdues notice gets sent.

...hmmm... I hope this is clearer....  :)

The way we put it to both patrons and our Student Assistants is
that the total fine (calculated at $.10 per day) is doubled if
the date returned on one month or more after the first overdues
notice is sent.

But, our SA's merely have to look in the patron's OD file to see
how to calculate the fine.  The other Circ. supervisor and I
monitor the overdues and make notations in the files of those
patrons whose fine is to be doubled.

Whether or not this policy can or will survive the move to
automation is up in the air.  (We don't even know which system
we'll be getting yet.)

--Sarah Jones                         Krannert Memorial Library
  SAAJONES@IUBACS.BITNET              University of Indianapolis
  SAAJONES@UCS.INDIANA.EDU            1400 E. Hanna Ave.
                                      Indianapolis, IN 46227
                                        (317) 788-3268 -- phone
                                        (317) 788-3275 -- fax
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I am interested in subscribing to this discussion list.  Can anyone tell
 me how?  Thanks in advance - Susan Schmidt zwzlb41@luccpua
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From:         June DeWeese <ELSJUNE@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: fines office
              10 Apr 1992 13:25:58 CST from
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At the University of Missouri-Columbia, the billing unit is a part of the
Circulation Department which is a part of the Access Services division.
However, monies are collected at the Cashier's Office for students and at
the Library Copy Service for faculty, staff and courtesy borrowers. The
Copy Service is a part of the Administrative Services division, not Access
Services. It requires a great deal of cooperation and communication but
works well most of the time. June DeWeese, Head of Access Services.
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      fines office
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question time again, folks.  for those of you out there who have fines offices,
are they part of circulation or part of something else?

thanks

kendall simmons
head of circulation
university of kansas
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From:         Joanne Leary <joanne_leary@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Grace periods
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                       Subject:                               Time:4:27 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Grace periods                          Date:4/6/92
At Cornell, we have a 9-day grace period.  This has always been, in my opinion,
nothing but a disaster.  As many of you have brought out, there are countless
interpretations of WHAT the grace period is and HOW it is to be applied,
especially when the library is closed for a period of time (or even when the
library is open but the university is operating on an intersession schedule,
etc.).

The grace period was devised to be a solution to the small-fine-collection
problem, but in reality we have exchanged a nuisance problem for the utter
nightmare of never-ending arguments and ill-will.  Moreover, we are not
"educating" a stable population of users; all of our blood, sweat and tears
must be expended again and again with each semester's new students and staff.

The grace period is doomed to fail because (among other reasons) it ignores
human nature.  If there is any question of interpretation of policy, the
average user simply will NOT assume an interpretation by which s/he does not
benefit.  This is simply a basic characteristic of human nature and no amount
of explaining or printed policy handouts will change that.

To address the small-fine-collection problem, I suggest that a relatively
substantial fine (such as $5.00, or whatever your minimum collectable amount
currently is) be assessed on the FIRST day overdue, and a smaller daily fine
thereafter.  No grace period, no exceptions, no interpretations!

Apart from the unpleasant nature of these interactions with patrons, I wonder
if anyone has attempted to calculate the dollar cost in staff labor spent on
this one issue.  While it may not rival the Pentagon budget, I'm sure it is
vastly more substantial than anyone realizes.

My feeling is get rid of it before it gets rid of us.

Joanne Leary
Cornell Engineering Library
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From:         Jeff Miller <jmiller@GOLDNG8.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

help,subscribe,list
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:20:24 PDT
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      news release

              RLG AND ARL TO STUDY INTERLIBRARY LOAN COSTS
        ILL traffic and costs are up; research libraries to take
              hard look at ILL economics in time of change

April 9, 1992 -- The Research Libraries Group (RLG) and the
Association of Research Libraries (ARL) have jointly launched a
project to examine the costs to research libraries of interlibrary
loan services.

Funded in part by a $10,000 grant from the Council on Library
Resources (CLR), the study will gather and analyze data from 65 North
American research libraries on typical costs of ILL transactions.
With this information, libraries will be better able to assess the
economics of their own borrowing and lending practices, to evaluate
alternative methods of providing these services, and to study the
impact of local serials cancellations.

ENORMOUS INCREASE IN ILL ACTIVITIES
The ARL-RLG study will document the cost to libraries of the enormous
increase in ILL activities that has occurred over the past few years.
ARL libraries report a 47% increase in interlibrary borrowing and a
45% rise in interlibrary lending over the past five years.  Recently
published ARL statistics document that over 5.2 million items were
loaned and borrowed by ARL libraries in 1990-91 alone.  RLG reports
that RLIN (Research Libraries Information Network) interlibrary loan
traffic has grown approximately 5% per year for the past several
years.

ARL statistics offer evidence that research libraries are moving to a
demand or access model for providing information to users.  According
to ARL statistics from the years 1985-86 to 1990-91, the number of
traditional users has increased while the information resources
available on campuses have decreased.  One consequence of this trend
has been increased ILL activity.

STUDY RESULTS AVAILABLE SUMMER 1992
The results of the joint study will be published this summer and will
be available from ARL and RLG.  (Data collected in the survey
will be reported in the aggregate only and will not be made available
for comparison on a library-by-library basis.)

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION
At RLG, please contact Marilyn Roche, phone 415/691-2284, FAX
415/964-0943, email BL.MXR@RLG.BITNET or BL.MXR@RLG.STANFORD.EDU.

At ARL, please contact Jaia Barrett, phone 202/232-2466, FAX
202/462-7849, email JBARRETT@UMDC.BITNET.


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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:54:00 CST
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From:         SANDEE@GACVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: fines/grace period

At Gustavus, we have no grace periods.  They really are not necessary, since we
don't impose a daily fine.  I can't say enough "good" about this policy -
the savings in staff time and accumulated aggravation are enormous!  We fine
for replacement when the item is overdue 1 month.  The fine is stiff and the
reaction is either fast or non-existent.  Either way, I seldom have to listen
to the old "nickle 'n dimin' me" line!

Sandee Georgacarakos, Head       (SANDEE@GACVX1) - BITNET
Circulation Department

Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Peter, MN.  56082
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:18:41 EDT
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From:         EASLMJRH@UBE.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Shelving Statistics

Here at UB law we have a small staff of student assistants who do all the shelvi
ng in the library. All materials are expected to be shelved daily during the stu
dents scheduled workshift.
        The amount of books an individual shelves depends on the individual.
I find it much more efficient to arrange books on the shelving cart according
to location within the library, before going to the shelves. I myself have
shelved about 75 books in 15 minutes after putting them in order first. Putting
them in order takes about 10, so total time is 25 minutes for shelving 75 books.
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From:         SUSANNE <SANDREWS@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Off-campus library patron cards

Our community "special borrowers" fill out an application form, and present
an ID (driver's license, learners permit, high school picture ID) that
verifies who they are.  We allow them to borrow one book after registering,
and then send them the borrower's card in the mail.  The most items they can
borrow at one time is five.  Now that we are automated, as of 1/92, this is
an easy task.  We have better control now than inprevious years when we
would let them have 4 books right away and them never hear from them.  Now
if there is a problem it's only one book.  All our patrons (ex faculty)
are not allowed to borrow if they have one overdue.  That has also helped
"control" the special borrowers.
Susanne Andrews   Sandrews@umassd.edu
UMass Dartmouth
N. Dartmouth Ma  02747
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From:         "W.C. 'Rustbelt' DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Journal Use Studies

If you are in a NOTIS environment (or comparable) you may want
to create an item record for each journal title (or records
for each subdivision you want to study...ie 1900-1965; 1966-1975; 1975-
current) and inventory it using the discharge function/browse
function/whatever.  You then can either SAS the info out, or
you can manually call up each item record.  We use this
method and it is instrumental in getting reshelving numbers as
well as use data for collection development.

Rustbelt Bill
N93774@PITTVMS
Head, Access Services
Falk Library of the Health Sciences.
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From:         paige harper <PAIHARP@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      1993 PARAPROFESSIONAL (correction)
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              circplus@idbsu.BITNET, exlibris@rutvm1.BITNET

originally sent as Announcing a Paraprofessional Conference...

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
sorry to have to send this but, inadvertently the Conference chair's
email address was given out incorrectly in one of the cross posts.  Our
system only allows multiples of 5 addresses at one time. mea culpa.

If any of you have had difficulty in sending email to Tinker Massey here
is her correct address:

TINMASS@NERVM.BITNET  or  TINMASS@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU

thank you for your time and consideration.
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From:         wilson@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG
Subject:      Re: Fines Appeals Forms

717-531-8635
Thank you Franceen Wilson  <wilson@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>
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From:         "W.C. 'Rustbelt' DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      No apologies

No apologies required, kendall...we all have done it at one time or
another.   But if you want to do it up BIG, you must do something like
the two airline pilots who had been vectored all over the sky when
approaching JFK.  They commenced a discussion as to the rather dubious
ancestry of air traffic controllers in general, and the specific
genetic deformities of the particular controller handling thier flight.
All the time unaware that their TRANSMIT button had stuck and their
discussions were heard  by every aircraft approaching JFK in that
quadrant and the majority of ATC personnel on the ground.

I think they were permitted to land only when fuel exhaustion
became a critical factor...:^)

Rustbelt
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:25:16 HST
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From:         "Susan Murata" <SMURATA@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: fines office
X-To:         "CIRCPLUS@idbsu.idbsu.edu - LIBRARY CIRCULATION ISSUES"
              <CIRCPLUS@IDBSU.BITN>

Our Business office that collects fines are a part of the Circulation
department.
Susan Murata, University of Hawaii at Manoa
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From:         MREAGAN Michael Reagan <vfoao007@VAX.CSUN.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Grace Periods for Overdue Fines

Here at CSUN we have a 15 day circulation period for regular books, but
advertise it as a 14 day loan, and date stamp the due slip for 14 days.

In addition, we have a policy about fines that allows us to avoid nickel and
diming people.  At the end of each semester, and at the end of the summer, we
run a program that wipes out all fines for each user if the total fines for
the user do not exceed $3.00.  Also, when we run fines bills we ignore totals
under $3.00.  (I know that's ambiguous, because I'm not absolutely certain
about the boundary condition: the $3.00 total.)

There is nothing hidden about this policy -- we don't collect money at the
charge desk, and we tell people not to worry about fines until they total
$3.00.  Our fine is $.15 per day, so we are in effect giving 20 days
cumulative grace per semester, in addition to the grace day built into our due
date scheme.

Peace --

+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Michael Reagan   KK6WO                  Circulation Unit Coordinator     |
|  MReagan@vax.csun.edu                    Oviatt Library /OLIB             |
|  (818) 885-2274                          California State University      |
|  fax (818) 885-2676                      Northridge CA 91328-1289         |
|  --... ...-- -.. . de gustibus non est disputandum -.- -.- -.... .-- ---  |
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From:         ALVALENT@HUSC.BITNET
Subject:      Oops Ravenloft List Adm again

I forgot to leave you with my eddress in case your mailer doesn't allow for
a reply function:


Lee Valentine
alvalent@husc.harvard.edu
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:48:24 CST
From:         Steve <ST8141@SIUCVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Wish to start a list

Dear whomever,

This is Steve Duys from Southern Illinois University.

I'm looking to start an interactive storyboard list at
some location.  Unfortunately my University has not developed
any type of policy regarding listserv management. So, I'm
forced to look elsewhere.

The storyboard would be for creative writers who are interested
in contributing to a story of a fantasy/medieval type nature.
the title: FANTAZ

I have had some success with the idea in the past, but I'm
trying to find a system with indexing capabilities
for storage.  This was my main problem, and I know that
the listservs can provide that.

Is there any listserv site out there who would have room
for a listing of this nature?

Would greatly appreciate your input.

Sincerely,
Steve Duys  ST8141@SIUCVMB
            ST8141@SIUCVMB.CDALE.SIU.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:55:59 EDT
From:         Stan Horwitz <OASIS@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Planned release date for 1.7c

On Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:20:30 +0200 Eric Thomas said:
>Barring any  major problem, 1.7c  will be released next  wednesday, april
>22nd. Note  that I will be  mostly unavailable from  the 5th of may  to a
>date as yet undetermined but quite close to the end of the month.

What will be the major, if any, new features/changes in 1.7c?

Stan Horwitz
Listserv Postmaster
Temple University
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From:         Grabbit Wileucan <MBLANK@UTCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Need a node for a list

I want to start a list for fantasy literature. My host node doesn't allow
me to do this. How can I get a place for this list. I am on bitnet only if
that matters. I can log on every day for the next month and at least once
week over summer break.

Please email me as I am not on the list.

Thanks,
Michael Blank
<MBLANK@UTCVM.BITNET>
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              9 Apr 1992 11:59:29 CST from "Forum on LISTSERV release 1.7"
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DIST1 was made  a synonym of DIST2 when the  code was removed, DISTRIBUTE
always pointed to the "current" distribution processor. Anything starting
with 'DIST' presently means DIST2.

  Eric
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Subject:      Stranded Entries in GLOBLIST

There are two entries in GLOBLIST FILE on LISTSERV@SUVM for a
LISTSERV on the former node JPNKISCI.  Will these entries go without
manual intervention or should I edit GLOBLIST FILE to remove them?


Glenn A. Malling (NETMAN@SUVM) or netman@suvm.acs.syr.edu
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