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From: jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu (James J. Szinger)
Subject: Re: College Marching Bands (Was: greetings all)
Organization: Yale University, Intelligent Sensors Lab, Elect. Eng.
	<1992Dec8.232543.27114@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1992Dec9.214851.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>
	<1992Dec10.151245.1359@tessi.com> <jgladu-111292081836@128.249.27.63>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:29:23 GMT

In article <jgladu-111292081836@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu
(grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:

>What's a bowl trip? :(

It's a poor substitute for THE GAME.

Ciao,
Jim
--
James Szinger                        jim@fuji.eng.yale.edu

"He was born with a gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad."
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Anecdotes (Was Re: greetings all)
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:33:41 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1g78ehINNn1t@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu writes:
> jstripli@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Jeff R. Stripling) writes:
> 
> This wasn't necessarily insane, but it was kinda cute...
> During the '91 season, in our game against Colorado, a referee stopped
> play and warned the band against playing while the ball was in play...
> it's a Big 8 rule that's seldom enforced.  Also, the ball wasn't even
> in motion: the teams were huddled.
> 
> So, for the next home game, for halftime, we line up and march onto the
> field 5 yards to the right of where we're SUPPOSED to be. Just after 
> we're called to attention, Willie the Wildcat runs onto the field wearing
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I remember a very cruel thing that we did to Willie a couple of years ago at
Folsom Field.  He had showed up in the stands, right in front of us, dancing
with this life-sized doll he had.  Then he threw it into the colorguard who
were sitting right in front of him.  Anyways, they didn't want it, so they
started passing it up the seats and through the band.  When it got to the last
row of our band, it didn't stop.  The fans behind us kept passing the doll all
the way up to the last row, where it then got thrown out of the stadium. 
Willie just stood in there the whole time just absolutely stunned over what had
just taken place.  I think he got it back later.

							Charles Holt
							C.U. Drumline
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From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Subject: Re: WGI: POST HERE!!!
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:14:00 GMT


No, I absolutely disagree with moving color guard discussions over to
rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.  The situation on that newsgroup is just as bad
as on the misc group, in the sense that color guard discussions would be
sandwiched between discussions about each corps' 1993 repertoire.

Out of 54 articles on the misc group today, 3 were about guards, and one of
those was CPUTNAM's article suggesting that we move the guard discussions.
The two new groups that now exist were created as a direct result of the
traffic we previosuly saw on the alt groups.

No one foresaw the college band traffic that we're seeing.  Clearly, if this
level of college band traffic holds up, someone should create:
rec.arts.marching.college

There is very little guard related traffic, and we're just about into the
season.  The drumcorps group does not want the guard discussions over there,
and I don't want to read through articles that shoot down the HS band activity.

Let's give it a few weeks and then talk about creating a college band group.
The odds of getting enough votes to create a color guard group are small,
but there seems to be a lot of college band interest.

See you in Dayton,
Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM


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From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("seilF eht fo droL, bubezleeB")
Subject: Re: U of Maryland Band
Organization: University of Vagina
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:58:30 GMT

	Let us play at your school next year.

	It was 14 years ago, the man WAS a crook.  I was five
years old.  Corrupt
politician in prison stripes is a political satire STAPLE

	PLUS -We got a standing ovation.
	
	Two other guys and I are writing the shows next year.
We'll be gentle.  Or maybe we won't.  


	The level of anal rot in our country has reached
a disturbing plateau.  Cease your school's contribution.


	Love and wet willies,
		Mick Stone


	
	
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From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: more U$C (was Re: Cal (UC Berkeley) Band)
Reply-To: aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:01:35 GMT

swain@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain) writes: Oh, and you guys are any
: better.  Whenever we visit your stadium, we always get pelted with
: some food object.  

Don't blame the band for that -- we don't like that type of thing any
more than you do.  Besides -- I didn't see anything thrown from the
Stanford section at the USC band.  Was this referring to Stanford,
by the way?

: Let's face it, neither school's like each other
: very much, and the bands, even less.  So don't expext us to make
: like we're friends when we're out there on the field.  Only when
: (not gonna happen) both schools respect each other (yeah, right)
: will our supposed arrogance disappear.

We get along just fine with all sorts of other bands and schools.  We
even get along well with the Cal Band.  The reason we hate U$C is that
you seem to have exactly the attitude you say above -- you don't like
us, you think we don't like you, so you're not even going to try to be
friends.  If you want to be assholes, fine.  Just don't protest when
the rest of the world calls you on it.

:  You might be interested to
: know that we consider you people as arrogant as you probably
: consider ourselves.  

That's really funny, since everybody else seems to consider you far
more arrogant than us.  Or do you mean everybody else?  If the latter,
I suggest you think about that for a little bit and realize how little
sense it makes.

: BTW, calling the marching band arrogant is a
: compliment to us so, Thank you! :-)
: 

So I guess you mean it as a compliment to us, too?  Thanks!  Really,
though, I think if you stopped being so arrogant and stopped hating
other schools just because you play against them in sports or
whatever, you'd find that other schools don't tend to do that for the
most part (except in Texas).

: Ronnie Swain
: swain@scf.usc.edu
: Trojans Rule!

Get a grip.
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From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: WGI, guard posts, continued
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:30:15 GMT
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY


I will continue to read alt.colorguard, but I'm pretty sure that my posts
to that newsgroup don't make it to most sites, so I need to use ram.misc.
My posting problems seem to have something to do with a nearby site that may
not be propagating all alt traffic.  My ram.misc posts are being propagated.

Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
From: edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: UCLA Rumor
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:40:11 GMT
Reply-To: edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith)
Distribution: usa
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <FAIGIN.92Dec16200705@solarium.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On 17 Dec 92 00:22:40 GMT, edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith) said:
>>
>> As an aside, when Kelly James became the UCLA director (back in the 60's if
>> I recall correctly), he brought the "Sons" tune with him from Cal, and made
>> it the main fight song, replacing "By the Old Pacific".
>
>The late Kelly James wrote "Sons of California" as a graduate student at Cal,
>but did not copyright it. When he moved to UCLA, he re-wrote it as "Sons of
>Westwood" and copyrighted it, thereby really annoying the Cal people!!! and
>since it is copyrighted by UCLA the Cal people are SOL!!

Actually, Kelly James did *not* write "Sons of California";  the words and
music were written by Clinton R. Morse, Cal class of 1896.  What Kelly did 
do, however, was to get together with Jerry Livingston and Bill Hansen and
rearrange Cal's traditional fight song "Big C".  Together, they wrote new
lyrics and copyrighted it as "Sons of Westwood" in 1963.  "Big C", incidently,
was written by N. S. McLaren (words) and H. P. Williams (music), both 
graduates of Cal in 1914.

The UC Davis band also plays the same song, but uses the Cal arrangement by
special permission of the Chancellor.  UCLA does not have Cal's permission
to use the tune, but since their arrangement in copywritten, no permission
is needed.

On a separate topic, UCLA has 7-countem-7 fight songs (plus an Alma Mater) 
in current use.  Here's a list: 

           Sons of Westwood:  Discussed above
              Mighty Bruins:  Written by Bill "Rocky" Conti in the 1980's
         By the Old Pacific:  Traditional?  Anybody else play this?
         Strike up the Band:  Written for UCLA by George & Ira Gershwin
                  Sing UCLA:  No clues
         Team Hear Our Song:  The trio of Fillmore's Crosley March
   Fight on Men of Westwood:  Was "Fight on Pennsylvania"

Do other schools have this many fight songs?

>--- Mindy Shaffer
>    Alto Saxophone (yes, a WOODWIND player!!!)
>    UCLA '78

Ah, but you did *marry* a tuba player!  ;-)

Edson Smith                                            Tuba                     
edson@rand.org                                         UCLA Band 78-83
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From: rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: UCLA Rumor
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:46:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.191347.20619@leland.Stanford.EDU>, lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band) writes:
|> I'm beginning to get interested in this thread.  Just to set the record
|> straight (for us non UC people), which one goes:
|> 
|> da da Da Da DA DA Da Da da da, da Da DA Da da ("Bork bork bork woooo")?
|> (This is the same one with "U! C! L! A! UCLA Eat my shorts!" (the Stanford
|> words to it, no matter WHO is playing it).

This is "Sons of Westwood", although I'd say it really goes like:
da da Da Da DA DA Da da, da Da DA Da da ("fight fight fight"),

In contrast, "Big C" has the same tune but goes more like:
Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Daaaaaaaaa. ("")

In addition, UCLA sticks an 8-clap between the verses ("U! C! L! A! UCLA,
Fight! Fight! Fight!"), where Cal has: "Grrrr-ah!  Grrrr-ah!  Grrrr-rrrr-rrrr-ah!"

|> And yes, UCLA did play it way too much last time we were down there.  And
|> the security people were too uptight to let the two bands get together
|> and play our big jam session that we often used to do after games.  Oh
|> well.  The game is up here next year - time to revive the big post-game
|> jam (and the night before's drinking extravaganza in the Shak).

...And the wonderful parties in Hickey's Riot House.
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: greetings all
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 09:42:18 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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In article <1g1savINN75f@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> (rec.arts.marching.misc), lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu writes:
>I (finally) made it a point to pledge with Kappa Kappa Psi this season,
>and SHOULD be an active by the end of January.

Hey, good point.  Any other brothers/sisters of KKPsi/Tau Beta Sigma
out there?  

Niel

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From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: band buildings
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:02:51 GMT
Organization: Systems Support Center, BCM
Distribution: usa
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In article <Bz9urv.I4r@rice.edu>, dooley@owlnet.rice.edu (Bradley Scott
Dooley) wrote:
> 
> |>    As another thread-starter -- what kinds of housing does your _Band_
> |>    have, as far as instrument storage, administration, rehearsal space,
> |>    etc.?  We have the lovely (condemned) Stanford Band Shak, a former
> 
> Here at Rice the MOB gets to live in this really small pseudo-bandhall...

The bandhall is 52 feet square and all of the outside corners are offices. 
The original design for the Rice Memorial Center (that houses the bandhall)
didn't include space for the band, but, the architect, having been the drum
major back in the '20s threw in a cost-effective bandhall tacked on to the
basement plan.
It was more than sufficient until the scatter/comedy format caught on and
the band's membership ballooned.  We have packed 300+ in there at times.

Yes, we're moving next year *sniff :( *.  We're going to occupy the
*basement* of the Central Kitchen building in the space formerly occupied
by Army ROTC.

We once had 3'-10" of flood water in the bandhall (6/15/76), but I heard
that the space that we're moving to was completely inundated. Have you ever
had an upright piano and a string bass follow you (unaided) around a room. 
They don't float well, but they do float.

The current favorite rumor for the future use of our soon-to-be-previous
bandhall is as an on-campus convenience store.

bcnu - grungy (John Gladu)
Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine
INTERNET: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu  | VOICE: (713)798-7370
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From: cep@sage.cc.purdue.edu (CRAIG PFEIFER)
Subject: Re: Arrogance vs. niceness
Summary: nicest band
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:19:53 GMT

In article <14806@cis.rand.org> Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler) writes:
>The thread about the USC band was pretty amusing.
>
>FWIW, my vote for nicest band goes to Notre Dame.  They always treated
>us really well when we would go back to South Bend every other year.
>I hope that hasn't changed.
>

    When the Purdue All-American Marching Band traveled to U. of Illinois,
I found that the marching Illini have a lot of class. Granted I've only met
people from 2 other bands (Indiana U, Minnesota U.), the Illini were the 
most friendly and hospitable. The people from Minnesota were courteous and kind,but I identified with the Illini more. And IU just had a chip on their shoulder,
I guess I might too if we lost the biggest game of the year. I wish CAL had
brought their band when they showed up in September! 

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From: kab33254@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hard Harry )
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:12:48 GMT
Keywords: (remember distribution usa)

At Illinois we get one hour credit and a grade.
It is certainly the most time consuming A
I have!
kevin
MI SAXES

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From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: SWC antics
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:53:54 GMT
Organization: Systems Support Center, BCM
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec11.222630.19845@nntpserver.chevron.com>,
hbawl@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (Wilber L. Baker) wrote:
> 					For TAMU vs. RICE
>      games played at RICE Stadium,  drills are charted and
>      taught for  NO WHISTLES except for the  opening step-off.
> 
>      This tradition will probably continue forever ... even if
>      it's no longer necessary. 
> -Wilber L. Baker              hbawl@[usmi02.]midland.chevron.com
>     UNIX/VAX                Chevron Petroleum Technology Company
>      Admin.                Midland, TX   79705    (915) 687-7241

When the MOB plays the Aggies, we do the entire week without whistles as
well!


bcnu - grungy (John Gladu) MOBster
Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine
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From: jmoulton@mothra.syr.EDU (Ana Ng)
Subject: Re: Quick band-ish question....
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:16:56 EST

In article <jgladu-111292091144@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.073927.5653@newstand.syr.edu>,
>jmoulton@mothra.syr.EDU (Ana Ng) wrote:
>...
>> How many people have chapters of KKPsi and/or TBS at their schools?
>...
>The MOB doesn't.  There are *no* "greeks" (frats/sororities) at Rice. 
				  ^^^^^^^^
One thing. KKPsi and TBS are the national honorary service fraternity
and sorority for bands. *Not* just another bunch of "greeks". If we were
just a bunch of band geeks who wanted to hang out together and call it
a fraternity/sorority, I wouldn't be in it.
Sorry, I just hate being classified in the same genre as social greek
organizations. I just think our purpose is different, which is why we're
'honorary'. 

Just wanted to clarify.
-Jen
From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Ocean of Soul marching band
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:39 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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Being in Houston, I have heard a lot of the recent incidents concerning
the Texas Southern University, Ocean of Soul marching band.

What have other people heard and how do you feel?

As a previous member of the Ocean I welcome questions.  I am currently
trying to contact the Assistant Director Samuel Jackson.  (The phone
is busy...can you imagine that 8-).....:(

I really need to know what other's impressions are and how they feel.  I'm
too close to the situation to be neutral.

Thanks

Tammy Stark Blandino
Flute
Ocean of Soul, 1982
Cougar Band, 1985, 1986

The only white crab in 1982 and proud of it!
From: gocek@Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek 76260 - UI Systems)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: WGI tickets bought now will be mailed on Feb. 1
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:17:59 GMT
Reply-To: gocek@Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY


I was worried about my tickets, so I called WGI yesterday.  Championship
tickets will be mailed on Feb. 1, but you can order them now.

Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
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From: elmanad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Band Provided Housing
Reply-To: aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:01:58 GMT

timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:
: 
: I was curious as to how many college bands out there
: have living quarters reserved specifically for folks
: in their band.
: 
: We here at Cal have an old frat house which houses about
: 30-40 male members of the Band (Male only since it only
: has communal showers).  The house is actually owned
: by a Board of Directors made up of Band alums who handle
: the rent and upkeep of the house.
: 
: I'm positive that this is not unique to Cal.  What other
: bands out there provide similar living situations?
: 
: --Tim
: Cal Band '86-'90
: 

Wow -- we certainly don't have anything like that...  However, certain
members of the LSJUMB have at times been forced to stay in the Shak
for extended periods of time for lack of other housing.

As another thread-starter -- what kinds of housing does your _Band_
have, as far as instrument storage, administration, rehearsal space,
etc.?  We have the lovely (condemned) Stanford Band Shak, a former
steam plant and ROTC headquarters.  Our rehearsal space has probably
the worst acoustics in marching band history, but at least we can do
whatever we want to the building. :-)  The Shak also has the only
urinal/beer tap and toilet/punch bowl I know of, not to mention an
entirely black bathroom (complete with black-lights) and the best
collection of borrowed street signs from around the world I've ever
seen. :-)

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
LSJUMB BONZ ROOLZ
From: larrya@natinst.com (Larry Anglin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: School Songs
Date: 18 Dec 1992 08:30:54 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: world
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In article <jgladu-181292073447@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:
>
>I hope other people from the SWC will add to this - I'd like to hear how
>the SWC members came up with these famous school songs: "I've Been Workin'
>on the Railroad", "She'll Be Comin' 'Round the Mountain" and "In the Gool
>Old Summertime".
>
In the case of "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad" a.k.a. "The Eyes of Texas",
the school song of UT, it was first performed in the 1910's (I think, could have
been the 20's) in a musical review on the UT campus as a parady for the president.  The school president at the time used to close all of his speaches with
his favorite phrase "The eyes of Texas are upon you."  The students created the
words, used the tune from "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad" and the tradition
stuck.  The official UT fight song, "Texas Fight" is actually the military
tune "Taps" played much quicker and embellished some.  I forget exactly where
it originated.  Taps is played after every tuchdown, extra point, and mose
kickoffs.  If the team is way ahead, the first verse will be played in one, 
waltz style.  It really confuses the cheerleaders. 

The other fight songs include "Victory", "March of the Longhorns", and 
"Grandioso".  For the University centenial in 1983, there was a special
version of "Eyes" created using several different meters.  The Calypso
version has stuck and is an unofficial fight song.


>bcnu - grungy (John Gladu)
>Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine
>INTERNET: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu  | VOICE: (713)798-7370
> US MAIL:  One Baylor Plaza, Houston, Texas  77030

Larry Anglin
National Instruments
larrya@natinst.com

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