HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: The Astrological Explanation (Was Re: Nicotine Addicts Unite!)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:19:32 GMT
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook

In article <1992Aug18.231053.17906@news.acns.nwu.edu> tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall--- actually eagle) writes:
>                       eagle
>
>HANG IN THERE JERRY!  MERCURY IS IN RETROGRADE BUT ONLY FOR
>ANOTHER WEEK- THEN THINGS SHOULD GET BACK TO ABNORMAL!!!!!!

 I checked on this with an astronomer friend, and she says that Mercury's
 retrograde loop started about July 20th, and ended about the 13th. She
 also pointed out that the 13th/14th was a full moon, and we thus 
 suffered from an astrological double-whammy! Being a good scientist,
 she of course does not believe in things astrological. 

 But last week was such a hell-week that I'm *almost* ready to 
 believe any explanation.. for those of you watching out, my informed 
 source says that Mercury begins another retrograde loop around
 November 10th, so look for more cosmic ripples (that's the ODC :-) 
 around then.

 Get well soon, Jer, the retrograde is over for now....

 Jeff A.
-- 
--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re:   The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:52:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.163035.7801@reed.edu> pha@reed.edu (Paul Anderson) writes:
>
>Someone (OK, I lost track) proposed that The Other One was in some
>key besides Mixolydian, and Someone Else denied it.
>
>My experience is that, while the chords are in the Mixolydian (most
>of it in an E major triad), the solo is played with a flattened
>third - a G natural. DESPITE the E major chord "beneath" it. Far as
>I know, this is normal practice in the six-note "blues" scale. 
>So the actual scale you play would have the same notes as a
>D major: E F# G A B C# D E.
>
>Anyone know what this is called? E Phrygian? Aeolian? Lesbian?

  Minoxidylian? :-)

-- 
--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Brian J. Rupert" <0004903167@mcimail.com>
Subject: New rec.music.gdead.MACHOMAN Net!
Reply-To: 0004903167@mcimail.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:08:10 GMT

  > Re:  smokin' at shows
  > <Personal Attacks Omitted>

Might I suggest a rec.music.gdead.machoman Net for all of 
you people out there who like to discuss family members, fist
fights, squirt guns, & sexual positions all in one posting!

A topic such as smoking butts at a Dead show should be talked
about -- without having to be concerned about a) being physically
threatened; or b) someone posting a moronic flame about one of
my relatives.

Give it a rest! IMHO personal attacks on people should have
no place on this net. This is a *Grateful Dead* Music Net --
*Not* a Grateful Dead MachoMan Net.

BJR
E-Mail: 490-3167@mcimail.com

"A peaceful place or so it looks from space..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jkiparsk@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Kiparsky)
Subject: Re:   The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:14:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.163035.7801@reed.edu> pha@reed.edu (Paul Anderson) writes:
>My experience is that, while the chords are in the Mixolydian (most
>of it in an E major triad), the solo is played with a flattened
>third - a G natural. DESPITE the E major chord "beneath" it. Far as
>I know, this is normal practice in the six-note "blues" scale. 
>So the actual scale you play would have the same notes as a
>D major: E F# G A B C# D E.
>
>Anyone know what this is called? E Phrygian? Aeolian? Lesbian?

Dorian. The minor third sounds pretty cool under the major chord, I think. It's
also much cooler than your ordinary minor for minor chords. I use it for 
Birdsong, too. (even though the melody line is a sharp C)

I use dorian mode on a lot of things- anything bluesy, Althea(Bm, A scale),
Down by the River, Saint Stephen(well, I use both dorian and mixolydian- you
have to use your ear), sometimes in Fire, when I'm feeling lazy, and so on. It
fits in a lot of places.
-jon
segue of the week- Fire on the Mountain->Smoke on the Water
From: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com (Jeff Lester)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re:  The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet

The Other One writes:

|The things Curtis talked about where not that complicated.
|Let's get on to the discussions of tensions!  No, not flames,
|added 9th's and 13th's and stuff like that.

Yeah! Then somebody can explain the chord structures in Victim :-)

-Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mac@sequent.com (Cormac Burke)
Subject: Re: smokin' at shows
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.045015.29125@seas.smu.edu> quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia) writes:
>
>Here is a really effective strategy for discourageing smoking at
>shows. I've done this before though I haven't gone to many shows
>in the last few years. Just bring a good solid water pistol with
>decent range and accuracy, and put peoples ciggarettes out for
>them. Not only does it work, but it's ALOT of fun too! If people
>started a movement like this there would be alot less smoke and
>just alot of soggy ciggarettes at shows. Try it and bring an 
>extra water pistol or two for your friends!

Are you for real? You've actually *done* this? And haven't gotten
your lights knocked out???? I'm not a smoker, and am not particularly
fond of second hand tobacco smoke, but I'd find this kind of reaction
appalling and fairly confrontational. I'd strongly suggest a more
tactful way to do this (e.g. Would you mind not smoking around here,
the smoke bothers me?)! 
Cormac


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J)
Subject: Re: It's official: Fall tour CANCELLED
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:29:05 GMT

In article <BszrIz.8Cv@well.sf.ca.us> tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans) writes:
>
> 
> This just in by fax from GDP:
> 
> to cancel the fall East Coast tour.  Jerry is in the care of a physician at
> home and is on the mend, but it will take time.
> 
> 
> As Grateful Dead bassist Phil Lesh commented, "I talked to Elvis this
> morning myself and he said they already have too many guitarists up there,
> and he also doesn't need any competition in the postage stamp market."  More
> seriously, Lesh added, "We expect to be performing with Jerry before the
> end of the year even though right now he's dead tired."
> 
> Thank you for your love and prayers.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Grateful Dead
>
>-- 
>
>	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
>			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf


	Thanx for the confirmed report from the wizard's mouth, David :^)

	Man, Phil is a wacko! Zany!  Madcap!

	GET WELL JERRY!!

	Yangety Ed



Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Jay King <satco!jay@kira.emba.uvm.edu>
Subject: Refund Postage
Reply-To: satco!jay@kira.emba.uvm.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:53:29 GMT

So, I go down to the post office with my 10 Boston Garden
tickets....Series I and II both arrive on Saturday, mere hours
after hearing about the cancellation, and get the envelopes
all set.  I place 10 in an envelope with my SASE and a 3x5
thanking GDTS and other stuff, and put the envelope on the 
scale.  Mr. PostalClerk tells me .29 will be enough, so I
get .29 for my SASE.  Same weight coming back as going out.
I trust that I won't have any problems with the mail coming
back (i.e. .29 1-8 .52 9-12).  Insured the envelope and photocopied
my tickets for safekeeping.  

Going to see the ABB at the Stowe Mountain Performing Arts Center
on Friday... :-)  Hope Aidan, my son, has as much fun as he did 
at Santana/Phish.  To the folks who posted a query about the SMPAC
location., it is on the Mountain Road heading out of Stowe going
up towards the Mount Mansfield Ski Resort area.

Jay

p.s. I had scored some quality seats for BG toboot.......18th row, 28th row
lower levels all other nights.....GET WELL JERRY!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:56:09 GMT

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: John Schulien   <U21187@uicvm.bitnet>
Subject: Malt
Reply-To: U21187@uicvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:19:37 GMT

reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
|                                      ... It seems that no matter how I
| beg and  plead  for them  to mix   in  extra  malt  they never  put in
| enough...

Well, reb, you could always BRING YOUR OWN MALT!
From: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Fall tour cancelled
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay)
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

Mike Metzler <METZ@vtvm2.bitnet> writes:

MM>A good source told me last night that the GD hotline would have a
MM>new message soon (maybe already), that the fall tour will be
MM>cancelled, due to uncertainty about Jerry's health.  I am not trying to
MM>spread bad rumors, only passing along what I know so netters can be on
MM>the alert for 'offical' word and make the necessary de-arrangements
MM>for travel and lodging.  I have no word about what happens with
MM>tickets.

A dead family "insider" who posts regularly on the RIME echo-net has
been dropping rather dire hints about Jerry's health and mental state
recently.  It doesn't look real good.

M.
---
 . SLMR 2.1 . Landlord dialysis...kaleidoscope rehabilitation...
                                           
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Barry S. Nichols" <BSNICH01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>
Subject: JEFF BURCHELL PERSONAL
Reply-To: BSNICH01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:43:30 GMT

7004 Ethan Allen Way, Louisville, KY  40272
Phone: 502-583-5835 (machine)
Jeff Burchell: My mail to you keeps bouncing. Please Email me.

GROUCHO (Quale): Say, where'd I see your face before?
CHICO (Joe): Right where it is now.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: St. Stephen music structure (was Re: Questions for  musicologists)
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:46:32 GMT


I listened to St.Stephen again and Curtis, you're absolutely right about
them chords. Mixolydian modes, <alot of jazzers just call 'em 7th scales>
are all over the place in jazz, along with the other chord scales which
are essentially modes and modes that are altered. But we never use
'em as a tonality- like "I'm in E mixolydian" you're almost always in
one key or another or probably in the middle of a "turnaround" headed to
a key that is either major or minor. 
 Well, actually there are "modal jazz" tunes where this actually makes
 sense too.
  But listening to the Dead after reading this discussion, I absolutely
  agree that hearing the Mixolydian mode as the "key" of the tune makes
  sense- I'll admit it was a pretty foreign concept until I tried to hear
  it that way. About IV/IV, that's IS a bit abstruse and I'd have to say
  I don't like the idea of calling something a "secondary-subdominant":
  bVII (read: flat seven or sub-tonic seventh) is easier for me to live with,
  it's straight-forward and doesn't imply any tenuous abstractions.


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: lorange@spot.Colorado.EDU (LORANGE HANS P)
Subject: Re: Does Garcia have an obligation?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:48:02 GMT

pfein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Fein) writes:



>Does Jerry have an obigation to stay healthy and keep the band
>going strong especially since they keep those tours coming.

>This is just my thought.  I would like to hear some constructive
>crtisism on this.  But if you feel you must flame me do it civily.


I understand where you are coming from but I think the focus needs to shift.
I think the only responsibility (or maybe primary responsibility) Jerry has is
to himself.   That obligation to stay healthy puts Jerry first and he needs to
take care of himself for himself, not for us.  The rest of us are just along
for the ride.



Hans
From: bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Steve-TOO, are you out there?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:52:54 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

sjeck@isi.com (Steve -- The Other One) writes:

>if i am in a facility that has NO ordinance against smoking,
>then i have every legal right to smoke.  in most cases i am
>paying for the privilege of being in the facility as is anyone
>else who is there.  you entered into the facility with the
>understanding that it would allow smoking: YOU CONSENTED TO 
>BREATHING SMOKE!

You would be hard pressed to find a venue that the Dead still play in
that actually allows smoking inside.  They might have a smoking area
outside or on the lawn if it's an amphitheatre but the good old fire
marshal made the laws against smoking inside where the concert is
actually taking place.  They don't want some itiot dropping there
cigarette on a seat and burning the place down with everyone inside.

Brad

-- 
   Brad Speierman (410)684-3569 Internet Email - bsspeie@sed.csc.com
                                Alternate Email - bsspeie@analytics.com

             "If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind"
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Quayles Council Stops Smoking Bans!
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:45:17 GMT



COMPLAINT ABOUT QUAYLE'S COUNCIL
3 health groups say it could undermine needed rules

AP-Washington

Three major US health organizations say a council headed
by Vice President Dan Quayle is using its powers to 
"reshape, re-write, or eliminate" federal regulations
on behalf of special interests that want to circumvnet
open governmental processes.

The American Heart Association, the American Cancer
Society, and the American Lung Association charged in
a July 31 letter to President Bush that Quayle's
Competitiveness Council "wields tremendous political
and regulatory powers" and does so completely out of
the public eye.

The council reviews regulations on air pollution, food
labeling, access for the disabled and other issues,
ordering changes if it finds that the regulations
would unnecessarily burden individuals and small
businesses.

The groups expressed concern that the council would
undermine attempts to improve nutrition labeling,
enforce the Clean Air Act and curtail the use of 
tabacco, long linked to cancer and lung and heart
disease.  


-----------------------------

Yet another example of duplicity by the non-smoking
Republicans :-)
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: No east coast
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug18.165239.14010@news.Hawaii.Edu> belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli) writes:
>>>I have to travel 2500 miles to see a California show and I'm glad to do it
>>I'm not. 
>?????????????How close have the dead gotten to Austin recently Wharfy???

	I'd like to see a show and not have to travel for three days or
spend $500 on plane fare.  It's especially hard since I became a couple...
My time is limited, and every day spent in an airport or on a highway is
one more day out of my meagre non-work life that while "wasted" is too strong
a word is certainly being used in a less-than-optimal fashion.

	We're both sayin' the same thing, friend.  At least JGB plays
Hawaii once a century...
								W.rat
From: rcbi105@muvms3.bitnet (Matt Leary)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION: GARCIA'S HEALTH
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:35:26 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Aug20.171147.28675@fid.morgan.com>, sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
> 
>>My big thing is that I don't want people coming up to me at a future show and
>>giving me hell because I'm smoking a cig.  I hate it when people do that to me
>>because if I wanted to hear it I would have asked, and I don't ask.  I respect
>>people who don't like smoking in their car or house, but I don't want a lecture
>>from someone at a show about it.  I go to see the Dead to enjoy myself and one
>>why I do that is smoking.  Like I said, I understand everyone's concern about
>this and I respect what you are doing, I just don't want to be told by 1000
>>people to stop smoking the next time I light up at a show.  
>  
> Of course, if your attitude is "I'll do whatever maximizes my
> enjoyment and I don't care if I cause someone else problems by doing
> it" then you have to accept that I have the same attitude and will
> maximize my enjoyment by getting you thrown out of the show.
> 
> Seth

My idea is not to bend the rules nor is it to "maximizes my enjoyment and I
don't care if I cause someone else problems by doing it."  I can't understand
how you would want someone thrown out of a show for smoking.  Believe it or
not, smokers will not smoke or will move away from you if you ask them in a
kind way.  If you come up to me and say "Put that out or I call the security
people over here", then I will say fuck you.  It is not what you say but how
you say it.  Don't get someone kickout for smoking, ask them to move or put it
out kindly and smokers will be happy to help you,  Trust me, smokers are nice
people just as long as your nice to them.

*Matt Leary - RCBI105@MARSHALL.WVNET.EDU - The Internet
*1434 5th Ave. Huntington, WV 25701  (304) 522-4456
*You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool
*all the people all the time - Bob Marley
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: MSG drivel
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:43:50 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <8Z16oB4w164w@c-cat.UUCP> david@c-cat.UUCP (dave) writes:
>basically, from a friend of mine who lives in NY city.
>don't be conspicuous, overly loud, visibly tripping/intoxicated.

	(were you for real with this post, or did I miss the joke?)

	The only times I ever had trouble in NYC is when I was quietly
minding my own business.  When the Dead are in town the area immediately
surrounding the show usually seems much safer than anyplace else.  After
all, it's full of cops and packed with happy people...  I always feel bad
about the homeless and buy a big bag of fruit at one of the Korean grocer's
shops to hand out.  i mean, here I am for a festival and they don't even
have a bed...

>I dont' suggest wearing a tye dye. 

	Oh, really.  As if anyone would notice either way...
From: bgittel@pica.army.mil (AED-EWD)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Northeast Social Calendar
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:59:38 GMT
Reply-To: bgittel@pica.army.mil
Organization: The Internet

A couple people have inquired, so here it goes:
Now til Sunday,(mostly Sat Aug15), annual gathering at Woodstock site,
Bethel NY. Various (small time) bands. Sometimes a parking fee of
about $10. Sometimes the magic hat.

Sunday Aug 16:Spin Doctors at Brookdale Park, Bloomfield NJ.1:00PM.Free.
Sunday Aug 16:Allman Bros. Garden State Arts Center Holmdel NJ. Night.
(Maybe you can get here a day early, Jeff)

Sat. Aug 22:Jimmy Cliff, Burning Spear, Mashek Fashek, Tribulation.
Loon Mountain, Lincoln NH.
Sun Aug 23:Jimmy Cliff, Burning Spear, Mashek Fashek, Bankie Banx.
Woodbury Ski Area, Woodbury Ct.11-6PM. Expensive (25) but a beautiful
place. 203-263-2203/2213.

The Allman's dates I heard are slightly different than those previously
posted on the net.
18 Jones Beach
19 Grate Woods
21 Stowe
22 Mann, Philly
23 Veterans Memorial _?_,New Haven
so call ahead to confirm
others later to include Merriweather & Walnut Creek
From: dwdennin@myfeet.Corp.Sun.COM (Doug Dennin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: :Please ID this show!!
Date: 12 Aug 1992 23:10:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dwdennin@myfeet.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: myfeet.corp.sun.com
Keywords: One More Time

Could someone please tell me the exact date of this Egypt show
from 78....
Set II I believe....

Music Never Stopped

Fire On the Mountain

Iko-Iko

Truckin

Black Peter

Sunshine Daydream


Much thanks in advance!!


DuG

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: NAYE@mcl.saic.com
Subject: Re:   smokin' at shows
Reply-To: NAYE@mcl.saic.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:16:45 GMT

101 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Smoke/Drink/Trip/Sparkle/Dance/Wear Scents/Fart/
Light Lighters, Etc. At Shows (or speed on roads):

                	FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jko@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
Subject: West Coast BBS numbers??
Reply-To: jko@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:56:46 GMT


Besides the WELL...does anyone know any dead related
BBS systems on the West Coast???  I only have the number for
Terrapin Station on the East Coast (203-656-0134)

"One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills..."

GET WELL SOON JER!  We need a West Coast CASEY JONES soon!

:-) Have a GRATEFUL DAY!

JKO@BONNIE.ICS.UCI.EDU

Hi Steph and Raffi!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead