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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Runoff elections (Re: Endorsement)
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Distribution: usa
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:58:22 CDT


lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

> 	Runoff elections. The two top vote-getters would enter a
> second election. If one's candidate loses the first time around, one
> still has a choice of the lesser of two evils :-)

I can't help but think of the LA Gov race.  They ended up with
a choice between Duke and Edwards.  (I'd call it a choice of two evils :-)

Say there was a presidential runoff (instead of the party/primaries).
Imagine Jerry Brown holding on to the Far Left, with the more moderate
Dems split between Tsongas, Clinton, Harkin, Kerrey, etc while
Pat Buchanan holds on to the Far Right, with Bush, Kemp, Grahmm, Dole
splitting the more moderate Repubs.

The result is Jerry Brown vs Pat Buchanan.  Which is the "lesser" of
the two evils?

The current system (with all it's problems) did better than that.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:07:05 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: National Health Care
 <1992Aug25.225246.6226@brownfield.glv.com>

In article <1992Aug25.225246.6226@brownfield.glv.com>, brownfield!jbrow (Jim
Brownfield) says:
>
>In article <1992Aug24.112847.26346@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
>writes:
>> The reform of health care in this country shouldn't be limited to the
>> ways of paying for the care which doctors and hospitals provide. A
>> more democratic, lower cost way of providing for decent care could be
>> achieved by opening up the process of providing care to permit more
>> care givers. Nurse practitioners, for example.
>>
>
>I couldn't agree more.  Breaking up the established medical monopoly that the
>AMA (and the federal government -- without which no monopoly could exist) has
>over us would go a LONG way toward solving the problem of high medical costs.

Nonsense.  The monopoly influence that physicians have arises from the fact
that quality medical care is encouraged by long-term relationships.  That
makes patients very price-insensitive and quite unwilling to switch to a new
provider.  While increased alternatives for primary care will make demand
curves more elastic, it's unlikely to have "go a LONG way" towards solving
the cost problems.  Note that the number of physicians has grown enormously
in the last two decades, as have the number of physician extenders and the
responsibilities associated with those extenders.  Despite this influence,
costs have been rising faster, not slower.

In fact, some economic research suggests that this would happen (i.e. increased
competition would exacerbate cost increases).  This can happen if the
physician acts as an imperfect agent for the patient or if competition raises
the information costs of searching for a physician, resulting in less elastic
demand for each physician's services.

Because of the numerous complications in health care markets, the simple rules
of economics (competition results in lower prices) do not always hold.
Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:43542 alt.politics.clinton:3935 alt.politics.bush:3967
From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The politics of Andrew
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:02:36 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

>In article <19959@drutx.ATT.COM> dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>>Bill Clinton is planning a trip there this week, too.  Would someone please
>>explain *one* good reason why the residents of that area need him there?
>---

Maybe to try to learn a few lessons on what not to do in the future. There
seem to have been screw-ups up and down the entire chain on this one. Maybe
a re-vamp of the entire system is in order. Being part of the big quake here
in '89(7.1)I have seen first hand how bad for some even a small delay of aid
can be.


Stan Knight
|"To always be prepared."|
|  --Boy Scout motto--   |
From: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: A rose is a rose is a....carnation?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:14:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Originator: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org


Notice that the demos aren't "spending", they are "investing"?

Same money from the same place going to the same hole for the same reason.


-- 
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Short term vs. Long term (Was Re: why progressive tax rates (was Re: Clinton's Economic plan attacked))
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:00:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug19.140423.18845@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>Keywords: 

>In article <1992Aug18.213218.5943@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>]It's unclear that there's a useful distinction, especially wrt one
>]of the most common investments, namely stock.  Suppose Allan and
>]I both buy 100 shares of Disney but I sell mine to my sister
>]at some point in time.  Why does it make sense to tax me and
>]my sister differently than Allan?  Our investment really isn't
>]any different.

>It depends on your expectations at the time you make the two investment
>decisions (buy and sell). If you purchased expecting short term gain,
>you are encouraging companies to go for the short term. If you purchase
>for long term gain, you are encouraging companies to adopt strategies
>that may depress earnings in the short term but increase them in the
>long term. 

This seems rather illogical.  After all, if I am investing for the
short term that means that I need someone else to be willing to buy in
the short term.  But if the company has not been putting funds into
R&D then why would that second investor buy?  He doesn't want a bum
stock.

If you were correct, then you could make a killing looking for
companies which were investing for the long term and whose stock was
therefore undervalued.  Since you aren't quietly chortling to yourself
while counting your millions I am inclined to disregard your opinions.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one else.
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Is George running for First Lady?
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:34:20 GMT
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93


In article <ART.92Aug27120835@world.std.com>, 
art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) said:

> This argument is a stock Republican line currently.  How does one
> governor change the entire standing of a state?  Can the governor of
> Connecticut take personal credit for his state's high income level?
> [Chris Brewster]
> 
> Perhaps you should ask Michael Dukakis since this is exactly what he
> claimed to have done with the once and future(?) Massacusetts
> Miracle.

While it might be interesting to see what a former Governor and
sometime poly sci professor at Northeastern has to say about this,
it probably wouldn't be very relevant to the current presidential
campaign.  Dukakis is not the Democrats' 1992 candidate, after all.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
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From: harvey@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Harvey Chen)
Subject: Re: The politics of Andrew
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:38:53 GMT

In article <8asJqB1w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>harvey@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Harvey Chen) writes:
>
>>
>> Sure, Clinton can TALK about the issues, but what has he done to show that
>> he can or will deliver on what he "promises"?  Any candidate can just say wha
>> the "majority" of people want to hear, but that doesn't mean he/she will act
>> on it.  I'm just tired of politicians saying one thing and doing another.
>>
>> Harvey
>>
>>
>>
>
>We can look at Clinton's Arkansas record and extrapolate it, for one thing.  Of
>course, if we look at what GHWB has promised and what he's delivered, a truly
>sickening portrait of lies and cynicism unfolds.  Makes for a very easy choice.
>
>
>
>|Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
>|Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
>|3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
>|Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|



Well, I'd like to hear from people who live in Arkansas.  What has Clinton
done for you?  Is Arkansas better, worse, or the same as before Clinton took
office?

Harvey


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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: My Purpose In Getting NAMBLA Shunned
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:43 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <11846@optilink.UUCP> manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley) writes:
>In it I find only a few individuals (one is Ray
>Radow, a self admitted member of NAMBLA) ...

*ROY* Radow is a member of NAMBLA.  *RAY* Radow is a sports reporter.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: My Purpose In Getting NAMBLA Shunned
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:35:25 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <11949@optilink.UUCP>, manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley) writes:
> We then have to examine the issues of advocacy and activity.  It is
> clear that one can be an advocate but not be a practitioner. However,
> I imagine that some advocates for, let's pick transvestism, are in
> fact transvestites.  I can then boldly proceed to state that some
> NAMBLA members not only advocate 'consensual' sex with pre-pubescent
> children but actively participate in such practices.  As another
> example, I do not doubt that some, maybe even many, of the supporters
> of NORML use marijuana.

Which, unfortunately, is the reasn that many people who support
decriminalization won't join NORML -- they aren't interested in
being associated with a bunch of potheads.  (Three-piece suit
conservatives instead join the Drug Policy Foundation, where it
is possible to engage in constructive public dialog on decriminalization,
without having some pothead ask if you have some joints to contribute
to the cause.)

> dave "why, oh why, did I ever respond to this thread?"
> manley@optilink.com


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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From: inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU (Ashish Parikh)
Subject: Re: The politics of Andrew
Reply-To: inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:45:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.085725.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <550HqB3w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>, elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>> 
>>> In article <19959@drutx.ATT.COM> dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>>> >Bill Clinton is planning a trip there this week, too.  Would someone please
>>> >explain *one* good reason why the residents of that area need him there?
>>>
>>> Maybe as next President of the United States, he owes it to the residents to
>>> see the damage directly himself? Just a thought.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
>> 
>> According to AP, he (Clinton) was invited by Chiles.  Maybe Chiles figured that
>> if Bush got his photo-op, Clinton was entitled to his.  Clinton remarked last
>> week that he felt it was better for him to stay away.  I guess that, given how
>> useless Bush is, at least Clinton can go down there and help build somethng
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> like he did in Atlanta for that project of Carter's.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> |Edward J. Branley                         elendil@mintir.New-Orleans.LA.US|
>> |Seashell Software                                UUCP:  rex!mintir!elendil|
>> |3508 North Woodlawn Avenue                          Compu$erve: 71237,2227|
>> |Metairie, LA   70006       voice: +1-504-455-5087     bbs: +1-504-455-8665|
>
>     It was funny watching the video-bite of Clinton "helping" to build
>the house.  Did anyone else notice that Clinton was hammering away, but
>hitting the head of the nail only about 50% of the time?  More importantly,
>does this indicate what kind of President he would be (he can't hit the
>nail on the head with the issues either...)?
>
You are missing a point, we will have a president who can atleast
hit the nail on the head with the issues 50% of the time than a president
who can even try hitting a nail on any issues.

-Ashish.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: Pushkin Dueling Libertarians
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:11:42 GMT

In article <17ro3fINNrvm@news.aero.org>,
foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:
>The other aspect of Pushkin raises a question for the libertarians.
>He was a libertine. However he objected to anyone paying too much
>attention to his wife. As a result he died of a dueling wound. My
>question is would libertarians allow dueling? If not why not?

Well, I can't say it's a subject I've invested a lot of time
thinking about, but on the surface since all parties agree to
participate in a duel of their own free will I see no reason that
libertarians would forbid such activity as long as it was
conducted in a way which prevented innocent third parties from
being endangered by the combatants.

/June
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: Eric_Gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric gorr)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: WELFARE:  AN IDEA
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:29:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

Everyone says that they want to reconstruct the welfare system.  Also,
everyone complains about all there is to do and no one seems to be doing
it.  Well, I have an idea.

Being a student in college, I am very familiar with all types of financial
aid.  One type of financial aid is call a Work Study Grant.  Basically the
way it works is that I find a work-study eligable job and the Goverent then
pays a very significant percentage of my pay check.  I get a great job (the
only real good jobs (unless you get lucky) are work-study ones) and my
employer gets a cheap employee.  It's a win-win situation.

Now, my idea for the welfare system would be very similiar to the way work
study works.

If you're on welfare and can work, you must work in order to receive your
welfare check.  I would suggest that only non-profit businesses (maybe?) or
volunteer organizations be allowing to hire people on welfare.  There is
typically no limit to the number of people these types of organizations can
use to do what ever they do, also, they are better able to work with
bizaare schedules, children, etc...  The welfare check would basically
serve as that persons paycheck.

What do you think?  I am not sure how well I explained it
here...
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: Endorsement
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:51:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.142132.15122@tc.cornell.edu>,
shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.004122.19187@morrow.stanford.edu>, GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>> Sorry James, but there are a lot more than two of us running for
>> the the U.S.  Senate this year.  We have at least 4 in California
>> alone (2 Dems, 1 Lib, 1 P&F) I also know of two more from Illinois
>> and PA ans I'm sure I've missed some others.
>
>And we have two in NY State.

Actually if you're only counting the ballot qualified parties there
you have even more, because I realized I forgot to count Norma
Segal, the Libertarian party candidate.  I suspect that some other
other LP Senate candidates around the country are also women but I
don't have a complete list LP people running for Federal office
(does anyone else?)

/June
From: rwojcik@atc.boeing.com (Richard Wojcik,snake)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger? (was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:52:05 GMT
Reply-To: rwojcik@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Research & Technology

In article 24472@anasazi.com, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
>What it means is that he intentionally
>defrauded the government (ie, all of us) to save his neck.  If he had
>been simply motivated by anti-war motives, he could have been a CO
>or gone to prison. If he simply wanted to save his neck, he should
>have tried something that didn't involve fraud.

If Clinton had declared himself a conscientious objector, he would have 
been defrauding the government.  You did not qualify for that status,
which was not a draft deferment, BTW, unless you conscientiously opposed
participation in all war, not just the Vietnam War.  By attempting to 
join ROTC, he declared his willingness to participate in war.  All he
did was exercise his legal rights under the law.  There were few 
options back then for someone who opposed that particular war.  "Chicken
hawks" like Dan Quayle and Pat Buchanan were far less admirable in their
conduct.  They refused to put their lives on the line, but they had no
compunctions about putting other people's lives in jeopardy for a
wrongheaded foreign policy.

-----
Disclaimer:  Opinions expressed above are not those of my employer.

    Rick Wojcik   (rwojcik@atc.boeing.com)   Seattle, WA
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Selectivity vs Objectivity in the Media
Keywords: Bronze Age, anal sex, press cover up
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:54:34 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <12130@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <95202@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

># Remeber "Otze"? The 5,500 old Bronze-Age hiker who froze to death during
># a snowstorm in the Tirolean Alps in Italy, and was found almost completely
># preserved last year? [...] researchers found human semen "Otze's" rectum.
># The frozen sperm was dated at the same age as the man's body.

># The world's first known "bottom".

>Or the world's first known homosexual rape victim?

Oh, brother...
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Political Parties in the U.S. (was Re: Is this a socialist
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:13:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) once wrote: 
>MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>> Now, property rights were, and are, considered to be primary in
>> this philosophy, uninformed speculation to the contrary. You can't
>> have a right to privacy without having private property.
>
> This is just silly.  Whenever I go into a bathroom, in Western
> society, I have a right to privacy for a limited amount of time.
> But it is not true that the bathroom is my private property, unless
> you are willing to accept transfers of ownership that occur very
> frequently, depending on who is where.  You might as well say that
> if I loan my toothbrush to someone, they *own* it for the duration
> of their use; or I own the space I take up in the metro going to
> work.

In the U.S., you can be asked to leave the bathroom if you don't own
it. The conductor can ask you to leave the train. And you can request
the return of your toothbrush at any time. However, nobody can tell
you to leave your own bathroom without the due process of the law,
meaning a court. And nobody can search your property or person with
due process, and nobody can take your property without due process (in
theory today, though).

Larry
--
Larry Weeks        | "That government is best which governs least."
dev@ecn.purdue.edu |   -- Thomas Jefferson
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 meaning little bloodsucking insects."
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