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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Carjacking prosecution
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:47:11 GMT


So the hell what? Are we supposed to feel "safe" now?

If you want to post "feel-good" law-and-order bulletins, you might as well
post every purse-snatching arrest as well- the FBI can no more prevent those
than they can carjackings. This FBI "we're out there for you" crap is useless
except to calm the gullible and the fearful, with no net effect.

	-Kenny
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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:11:38 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <24066@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) 
writes:
> O.K., it was my mistake in that I incorectly labeled Hardwick as the
> petitioner; he was the appellee.

Actually, he was the respondent.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Admitted to the bar in Massachusetts
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.064941.29309@u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>
>So, what's next?  California?  New York?  Clearly, the EFF attorney should
>take and pass the bar in every jurisdiction reached by the net, right? :-)
>Do any of the bar review courses give a discount if you sign up for 20
>or 30 states at once? :-)

I'm now considering the Cyberspace Bar Exam.


--Mike



-- 
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EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Hercule Perot
From: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: title insurance
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:37:37 EST
Reply-To: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information


Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28, in a message to All on 11-17-92 at 4:11pm, said:

>          the title of a drug dealer is not void ab
>          initio, it is merely forfeitable once the government takes
>          certain statutory actions.  It may take them only against the
>          criminal and *his* property, not against a subsequent BFP.
DS>|           ^^^^^^^
   |    Shouldn't this be 'the accused' rather than 'the criminal'.
   |_______________________________________________________________

          No, the title of an unconvicted accused person is not for-
          feitable.  Check your title 18, U.S.C.


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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Censoring information , Is it possible tomorrow?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:58:19 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Nov16.101653.21824@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, 
wr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (william e raftery) writes:
> Wouldn't there need to be a constituional amendment to
> change the day of voting. I don't have a copy of the Constituion handy, but
> I seem to remember that the second Tuesday in November is in there
> somewhere.

No, I think that that's merely statutory.  The Constitutional requirement 
(Article II, section 1, paragraph 4) is much broader: "The Congress may 
determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall 
give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States."

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:54:31 GMT

judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) writes:

>In my personal opinion though, I agree that states or the federal 
>government have no right to intrude on the activities of two consenting
>adults, whether hetero or homosexual.

I think you are mistaking what should be versus what is. It is 
obvious that the states and federal government do have the right
to intrude. Just look at the decision you are arguing about.
What you are really saying is that your interpretation of the
Constitution would lead to a different result. In this case
might (or 5 justices) make right.

Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org
From: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: date of separation
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:25:43 EST
Reply-To: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information


Janet Jakstys, in a message to All on 11-21-92 at 8:15pm, said:

JJ>|About 5 months ago I separated from my husband.  I will be filing for
   |divorce around the first of the new year.  My question is what date
   |is the date of separation...legally?  I left 5 months ago, but since
   |I haven't filed, am I legally separated yet?
   |_____________________________________________________________________

               No, you are not.  "Legal" separation occurs when a
               court enters an order to that effect.


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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: What's in a big law library?
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:42:09 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <1992Nov15.081016.8271@u.washington.edu>, tzs@carson.u.washington.edu sez:
>
>Most well-known schools seem to be medium (e.g., all the University of
>California schools, Stanford, Chicago, USC, a bunch of others), with a
>few in the large category (Texas, Yale, Columbia).
>
>So, what do the large libraries and Harvard have that those of us with
>medium or small libraries lack?
>
>For example, do they have the West state digests for each state and each
>region so that one doesn't have to go to the Decennial Digest/General
>Digest when looking for cases in a particular state?  Do they have more
>copies of the commonly-used things?  Do they have a lot more weird material
>that no one has looked at in fifty years?  More historical material (e.g.,
>older editions of things in addition to the current editions)?

I can only tell you what NYU has, which seems like more than enough.
(You tell me what size category it's in; I dunno.)

Yes on all state digests and parallel reporters.  Yes on multiple
copies, especially of USCA/USC/USCS, US/S Ct, and F Supp/F2d.  (Is
this proper Maroon form, Ted? :)  Issues of practically every law
review. 

Then there are extensive specialized areas, like tax (a particular NYU
forte), international materials (ranging from EC regs to those old
fart English law reports from Blackstone's day), and a substantial
microform/film collection of legislative materials.

I should probably also mention the $1.4 million main stairway.  :(

-- 
			     819 F.2d 451

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Keywords: _Skinner v. Oklahoma_, 316 U.S. 535 (1942)
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:27:11 GMT

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>>We have it from Justice William Douglas's opinion for the U. S. 
>>Supreme Court in _Skinner v. Oklahoma_, 316 U.S. 535 (1942),
>>that legislation taking away the right to procreate affects
>>"one of the basic civil rights of man," because marriage and
>>procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival
>>of the race.

>Show me "marriage" and "procreation" in the Constitution.

It's in that funny little clause that starts out,
	"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights..."

... but the print is so small you can't see the ending:

	"... Of course, this includes the obvious ones, like
	 privacy, marriage, and procreation.  Do we _really_ have
	to spell it all out?"

Dan Breslau
dan@codex.com

Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Actual lawyers on this group?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:26:38 GMT

Law is like any other business, there is good and there is bad.
Part of the good is that it can be very intellectually stimulating.
Part of the bad is that there can be quite a bit of drudge work,
especially at the first, when you are the low man on the totem pole.
Another good/bad is that often you are your own business. This means
that you spend quite a bit of time prospecting for business. This is
true even if (in the unlikely case anymore) that you join a big firm.
I think that the difference between working for a big firm and a small
firm is that early on, in the small firm/solo practioner situation, you
starve while you are building your practice. In the larger firm, you
don't starve at first, you are too busy to build your own practice,
and then you wonder why you are let go, not making partner, when
you didn't bring in the clients.

Patent law can be interesting. It depends on the practice. I think that
forty years (or even twenty) of just drafting and prosecuting patents 
would bore anyone. Instead, what you do is mix it with copyright and
trademark work, and do some litigation. Our practice seems to be about
50% litigation (IP only), and of the remainder, 25% patent, 20% trademark,
and 5% copyrights, non-competes, etc.


Bruce E. Hayden
Attorney at Law
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Anita Hill and Hearsay (was: Anita Hill to Head EEOC)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:29:22 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Nov14.205448.18785@panix.com>, eck@panix.com (Mark 
Eckenwiler) writes:
> In <28GN02Ul2bvD01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com sez:
> >I recall testimony of some of Hill's associates, to the effect that Hill 
> >had told them of the alleged harassment around the time it had happened.
> >That's 
> >clearly an out-of-court statement offered to prove the truth of the matter 
> >asserted, i.e., hearsay.  I don't have a FRE handy, but I don't think it 
> >falls into any of the exceptions.
> >
> >Two close calls, which I don't think make it:
> 
> As noted earlier, try the non-hearsay list at FRE 801(d).  Subsection
> (1)(B) in particular applies to the testimony of Carr, Hoerchner, et
> al., since it was expressly suggested by certain Senators that Hill
> had concocted the story more recently and/or that she had a new and
> improper motive for telling the story.

Looking at the Rules, rather than trusting my memory, I concede that you're 
correct.  For those of you who don't have a copy of the Federal Rules of 
Evidence, 801(d)(1)(B) reads "A statement is not hearsay if . . . [t]he 
declarant [Hill] testifies at the . . . hearing and is subject to cross-
examination concerning the statement, and the statement is . . . consistent 
with the declarant's testimony and is offered to rebut an express or implied 
charge against the declarant of recent fabrication or improper influence or 
motive . . .".


Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: SQUATS: horrible marks
Keywords: Weightlifting
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:14:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.172130.25356@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>cannon@superdist.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Cannon) writes:
>
>>When I do squats or other leg movements requiring heavy weight on
>>my traps. (upper shoulders), etc. , I get several horrible looking marks
>>all over this area on my back.  It looks as through I have been scratched
>>several times by some kind of animal.  It will usually take about 3 to 4
>>days to disappear.  Yes, I do use the pad on the bar or a towel.
>>Does anyone know of any tricks to prevent this from happening?  
>
>I rest the bar in an area just below my traps.  There seems to be a
>*groove* that the bar nestles into.  Other than that, you might try both
>the pad AND the towel together, or use a hack squat machine.
>
>allen
>

Oh, don't worry about it.  Those marks are normal and mean you're
lifting a weight heavy enough to break some surface capillaries.
Like you said, they go away pretty fast, and they don't really hurt (though
my shoulders usually are a little sore after doing heavy squats).

If I'm wearing a tanktop, I will use a towel on the bar, because the knurling
on the bar really can cut you up (esp. if its a new bar, ouch!).
Otherwise, the shirt I got on (not a tanktop) is enough protection.
I feel completely awkward squatting with a pad.  The bar never feels
secure, so I just don't use it.

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kkangas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: SQUATS: horrible marks
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:58:18 GMT

> When I do squats or other leg movements requiring heavy weight on
> my traps. (upper shoulders), etc. , I get several horrible looking marks
> all over this area on my back.  It looks as through I have been scratched
> several times by some kind of animal.  It will usually take about 3 to 4
> days to disappear.  

        I get these marks only in hack squat, and because there are those pads,
        but in normal squat I do not use any pads or something like that, and
        NO MARKS.

> Yes, I do use the pad on the bar or a towel.

        Why ?

> Does anyone know of any tricks to prevent this from happening?  
> Please email me your response and post to the net.  I am sure any solutions
> would assist others also.
 
> Thanks,
 
> Jeff
> *****************

        kari
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: marksteg@merv.detroit.sgi.com (Mark Stegbauer)
Subject: Density
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:15:10 GMT

Which is denser, fat or muscle? By how much?
How do they compare to bone or skin in density?

				Just curious

				Marksteg
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscle And Fitness
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:21:25 GMT

In article <If15Kp600iUx07=cAY@andrew.cmu.edu>, rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen) writes:

>     Ironman, however, is an excellent magazine.  The training articles
> are realistic and for the most part cater to the "hardgainer," which
> most of us are without drugs.

Yeah, "Ironman" used to be a good magazine, until they tried as hard as possible
to emulate Weider. They lost me when they started on their antisteroid rampage and
still continued publishing pictures of guys who used them, which I really find
hypocritical. I guess we're all supposed to think these guys are "natural" now,
right?

I'll stick with "MuscleMag" for now.

--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mcgregor@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov (George McGregor)
Subject: Re: Help. Can't do Incline Press.
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:18:41 GMT

In article <ratner.722133517@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Dave "Van Damme" Ratner) writes:

[original, included article deleted]

>First-off, incline press, in addition to hitting your pecs in a different
>way from flat bench, also uses your delts --- maybe you are "disappointed"
>with your incline because your delts are weak.  But secondly, I know
>of no one whose max on incline press equals their max on flat bench,
>probably because incline uses more delt than flat.  [Can anyone on
>the net?]  So don't get so disappointed so quickly.

Hmmm, my incline bench has been equal to my flat bench for some time. 
Any thoughts?  BTW, My flat bench max is not impressive (to put it VERY kindly).

[remainder of article deleted]

>Dave
>
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: marksteg@merv.detroit.sgi.com (Mark Stegbauer)
Subject: Re: JUMPING!
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.210502.8888@ac.dal.ca>, whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> 
|> 	Once again I ask. Any way to increase vertical leap?
|> 
|> Anybody?
|> 
|> AT ALL!!!!!!
|> 
|> Please, I beg of you.
|> 
|> 	Stephen, boy who looks at weak legs, Hare.


Why don't you practice leaping? I could swear one time I saw people holding a "bungy cord" in each hand (they were attached to the floor), grouching down and LEAPING over and over. The cord would pull them back down and they would leap again. I have no idea where I saw this.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: paul@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Paul Lalonde)
Subject: Re: CALLOUS ON HAND
Keywords: T
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:36:00 GMT

In <26444@megatest.UUCP> toddnguy@megatest.UUCP (toddnguy) writes:


>  Hello everyone,

> I don't know if I consider my self a body builder but I work out with
> weight in the gym five days a week and two hours a day.  I hands have
> a lot of callouses and it very hard which I don't like to have but 
> I enjoy working a lot.  Is there any medication or lotion that I 
> can use to get rid of the callouses on my hand?  Any information
> would help me a lot.  

>   Thank you in advance,

>     toddnguy 
> 

Well, speaking for myself, I'm glad the callouses' are there, because my
hands would be quite raw after working out five times a week if they weren't.

However, if the callouses bother you, the simplest thing to do I think is to
get weight gloves at your local sports shop. They totally eliminate the
bar friction and callous forming (at the expense of a loss of "feel" for the
bar).

Hope this helps.

Paul

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From: hrostami@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Workout Routine
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:47:31 GMT
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

Greetings to all

I have recently started working out with free weights and dumbells,but I 
don't really have a set routine.  Does anybody out there know of a book
or publication from which I can get the necesary information?

Thanks in advance.

Hamid Rostami
 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mlhutche@uncc.edu (Marvin L Hutchens)
Subject: Re: Cybergenics Experiences???
Reply-To: mlhutche@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:19:51 GMT

In article 2780@bvc.edu, cardanichade@bvc.edu () writes:
>Does anybody out there have any experience using Cyubergenics Phase 1 or 
>the Total Bodybuilding Kits?
>
>If so, could you please share your experiences with me by e-mailing to 
>cardanichade@bvc.edu
>
>Thanx
>
>Chad
>

Please post or forward your remarks to me at

mlhutche@mosaic.uncc.edu

Much Appreciated.
From: madkiwi@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Eade)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Kill DE FAT!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:27:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.madkiwi.721938447
Organization: Bradley University


Ok, with Holidays coming up I see this coming from ten miles away.
I wish to be prepared this year.

What is the quickest, most effective way to lose fat?  I need to get in shape 
for canoe paddling next year, and I have pounds to drop. With holidays, that's
like saying I'll swim around the sharks.

Any advice would be great.

****************************
madkiwi@camelot.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: What's an aerobic exercise? What isn't?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:31:11 GMT

pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

>Furthermore, the aerobic exercises listed above will only be aerobic if they
>are preformed non-stop for an appropriate duration. The minimum minimum you'll
>hear is 12 minutes; 20 minutes is often quoted as a minimum. Also, they must
>be performed at an appropriate intensity, usually measured by the pulse rate,
>of between 65% and 85% of the maximum heart rate.

I don't think it is necessary for aerobic exercise to be non-stop.
For example, in swimming, you can even do interval training with 
short rest intervals (i.e. 5 sec every 2 minutes)
to improve anaerobic threshold, or slightly more intense
intervals with slightly longer rest intervals for max VO2.
(according to Ernie Maglischo, "Swimming Faster")

But usually for these things longer intervals are better
(Astrand recommends 3-5 minutes for maxVO2), but it is
ok to use the shorter intervals for variety as long 
as the rest interval is short.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
From: stewart@volterra.stanford.edu (Beth Stewart)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: knee trouble tendonitisiliotibial tendonitis
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:12:51 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: volterra.stanford.edu
Keywords: knee, injury

Please-please-please-if anyone has any advice to a desperate runner about  
how to get rid of recurrent iliotibial tendonitis--let me know!! I used to  
do triathlons but about 2 years ago during a particularly hard run my  
right knee started hurting along the outside.  I kept running on it and by  
the time I was done-it has never been the same since!  I have spent a  
great deal of money on rehab and surgery (arthroscopic-they went in but  
said there really wasn't anything to fix). After the surgery it got better  
for about six months and then it just started hurting during a run and now  
its been a wreck for 5 more months..I do alternate sports but sometimes it  
even hurts walking or swimming.  I do toe in a lot with my right foot but  
I always have so I don't know if that is the problem.....any magic  
stretches anyone can offer or particularly great sports mechanics which  
don't cost so much that I have to choose between eating and treatment  
would be very much appreciated!--Beth