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From: ehs@jyu.fi (Eero H. Sarkkinen)
Subject: Re: American Psycho?
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:50:52 GMT

In article <1dd0eoINN4es@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch730@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Quill) writes:
>
>After reading this book, I was wondering if there are any other books along a similiar vein?  This is one of the grossest books I've ever read.  I want to read more.  :)  I've read some standard horror type books, but none quite like this. 

Well, the closest I can think  of, you could try the writings of the
Marquis de Sade, such as "Justine," "Juliette" and 120 Days Of Sodom". 
Apart from the lack of designer clothes in his time, the gross-out factor 
remains pretty high. Plus, you get lots of philosophising to boot.

-ehs-
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From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Algernon Blackwood Book
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:33:00 GMT

Roger Squires writes...
>David Librik writes:
>>Oh yes this.  This isn't as bad as most people seem to think it is.  It's
>>not remarkable, but Blackwood is so good at atmospheric scenery that the
>>actual silliness of the plot is overcome.  ("The Willows" and "The Wendigo",
>	Hmmm.  The Wendigo (Wendy) is a monster in a fairly recent
>	_Wolverine_ comic book, where it's pictured as being basically
>	a large white ape; wonder how this accords with the story.
>Roger Squires

+------------------------------------------SubG-------------------------------+
As much fun as reference hunting goes, I believe that you'll find that the
wendigo reference goes back past even the most canonical comics.  Or even
Stephen King.  Or Algernon Blackwood.  Even.

In addition to taking mammoth doses of peyote (or perhaps because of it), early
American (before they knew they were Americans, even, poor heathen savage
brutes) Indians (before they knew they were Indians, even, misguided pagan
primitive tribesmen) envisioned the wendigo, a sort of conglomerate animal-
spirit usually associated with cold and/or the north, and usually represented
as a big, shaggy thing with nasty, big, pointy teeth.  And claws.  Sorta the
Native American karma police, animal relations division.  As there aren't
many apes, white or otherwise, native to America, and although I hate to 
question the quality of research put into them there comic books, candor
insists that I speculate out loud (as it were) that someone's probably got
their facts wrong.  Probably the injuns (sad undereducated uncivilized
misanthropes).











Yours etc.,



SubGenius

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From: colin.buckley@rose.com (colin buckley)
Subject: Friday The 13th (TV E
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:59:46 GMT
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Date Entered: 11-13-92 04:51
TB<>The old man, Louis Vondrede(R.G. Armstrong) is not going to be in the new
   >Friday The 13th movie, its going to be Ryan(John D. LeMay).

I didn't mean Uncle Louis, I meant the old guy, but it doesn't matter as
I was wrong...

  >Which episode did Miki(Robey) die in? I don't think I saw that one.

If you are indeed refering to my message, it was Ryan who was replaced,
Mikki remained...
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From: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Subject: Re: American Psycho?
Reply-To: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:59:54 GMT

Because of the horror list on Bitnet I bought this book. What a horrible 
mistake. The book isn't horrible because of what happens in it. It's      
horrible because it is an extremely boring book. It was very badly
written.  I was only able to get through about half of it before I
just gave up.  


On the other hand, I just finished the new vampire book and found it to
be great.  It started out rather slow, but it turned out to be almost
as good as The Vampire Lestat.


Jeff Frazier (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)
From: evan@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Evan Whitney)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 15:42:42 GMT
Subject: Re: The Omen (was Re: Best Horror Scenes?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: alt.horror

Best Horror Scene: _The Haunting_ where everyone is gathered in a room
and "It" is pressing in against the doors from the outside. My hair is
standing on end now just thinking about it. Definitely one of the best
horror movies of all time. No blood, no guts, and utterly terrifying.

Evan
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From: harsh@owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani)
Subject: S. P. Somtow 
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:42:05 GMT


I read a book recently called _Vampire Junction_ by S. P. Somtow that I thought
was pretty good. Has anyone read anything else by this author, or have opinions
on this book?

Also, if someone has read the sequel, which I think is called _Valentine_, is it
worth reading?

-- 
Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
	but we don't pay God taxes.

					The King of Fools

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From: GECKO <gecko@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Clive Barker...
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:03:29 GMT

        A friend o' mine wants to know if there are 
        Clive Barker fan clubs out there, and how 
        he could get in touch with 'em. 
 
        Any info much appreciated... 
 
                    - GECKO 
 
 
 
 
gecko@zooid.guild.org 
 
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From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Ravenscar Nights shared fictional writing world
Summary: info
Keywords: writers and readers wanted
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:21:10 GMT



There is a mailing list set up as an offshoot of the Vampyres mailing
list.  It is a shared world where many writers write stories based on
the city of Ravenscar.

The stories, character sketches, and place sketches are available via
FTP, and when I have a nice informative passage about that, I will.

You can write to me at logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au for details.  Some
stories have progressed as far as part 10 or 11.  I am slack, and am
only up to part 6 :).  Types of characters include vampires, mages,
morphs, human vampire hunters, and an inter-dimensional alien invasion
is on the way.  There is also a super-powered vigilante running around,
and plenty of not-so ordinary humans.

You don't have to write anything to be put on the mailing list, all
readers are welcome.  (Although you may be called a lurker from time to
time).  There are quite a lot of these, so do not let that worry you.

The more people there are, the better, and I will post more details in
the future, after the FTP site is fully documented.


Hoping to hear from you!!

Richard  (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au)

  
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: _Susperia_
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:45:41 GMT
Organization: none

In article <92314.123008RXK110@psuvm.psu.edu> <RXK110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>SUSPIRIA comes in three videotape versions: R-rated Pan & Scan, Unrated Dir.
>cut Pan & Scan, and Director's Cut Letterboxed "Collectors Edition".
>I have the Collectors Ed. on tape and have also seen the expurgated version
>in the theater a few years back in Pittsburgh and can highly recommend any
>version of the film that you can get your hands on (although the LBX is best,
>you can still argue that seeing it on the Big Screen in any form is better).
>Highly recommended, especially for the SURROUND-SOUND GOBLIN score which can
>be picked up on CD imported from Japan (also check out their score for DEEP
>RED (Profondo Rosso) which is even better IMHO)
>
>CHAINSAW (wwwwwhhhhiiiittttcccchhhhh)

Who put out the Letterboxed "Collectors Edition"?

I waited years to finally see this in a theatre. Not only was the attitude
of the theatre <who had ballyhooed the hell out of it in the local press>
extrememly condescending < showing it with "The Stepfather"? Get real!>
but I swear that they must have looked long and hard to find a copy
of the film that looked as bad as the one I saw. I almost cried at the
multiple edits, even in scenes that they had hyped the film with, and
the very poor image quality. <Blotches of red dancing all over the screen.
This would fade by the end of a reel, but the next reel would have them 
again. very bad> Not to mention the fact that it was nowhere near loud
enough, and they kept turning it down. This was by a "serious" film
appreciation society, "Film In The Cities", and I refuse to take them
seriously anymore. Thank god I got to see "Opera" at the Walker Art
Center, with an appreciative audience. I would have skipped it at
"Film In The Cities".
Call any theatre showing "Suspiria" and ask them about the length, 
and how they are going to treat it, particularly in regards to that
amazing soundtrack, before forking out any cash.
I wanted to kill after I saw what they did to this one. Especially
when the manager who had been turning the sound down walked out in
the lobby and started making truly tasteless jokes about how
'worthless" the film was. And then lauding the extremely stupid
"Stepfather" as superior. 
AARRGGHH! Be careful about seeing this in theatres, because there are
some really bad prints. But a theatre showing of a good print, with
good volume on the sound, is truly somethng to cherish!

					--Judex--
From: stuam@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr O A Machado)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: _Susperia_
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:52:58 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov9.225201.1370@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>Goblin did the music for these films, among others:
>Dawn Of The Dead <not really featured except in the italian cut. Argento 
>                 helped out on it. This what you meant by "Day Of The Dawn"?>
>Deep Red <great soundtrack for this too>
>Night of The Zombies <the itallian one, not the one from New York>
>Unsane/Tenebre
>Phenomena/Creepers
>Demons
>Demons 2
>The Church


Also:
 
Contamination (aka Alien Contamination)
Directed by Lewis Coates (aka Luigi Cossi sp?), an Italian film about a load 
of alien eggs that make people explode...

Buried Alive (aka Blue Holocaust etc)
Joe D'Amato sicko - a classic.



Orlando
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From: colin.buckley@rose.com (colin buckley)
Subject: Friday The 13th (TV E
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:59:50 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 11-13-92 04:51
  >they always picked on Ryan's character he saved everyones but more than once
  > look where it got him...

Really, eh?  Mikki was the one who wanted to run off and get married...

What was the tie in with the old man (Not Uncle Louis) who teamed
up with Ryan and Mikki?  Was he working at the store when Louis was alive and
just remained?
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From: brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney)
Subject: Re: Hellraiser III
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:16:27 GMT

pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
> RE: the quality of Hellraiser III
> 
> I don't intent to spoil anything, but here are the problems I had with 
>the flick:
> 
> (1) It trivialized Pinhead. The beautiful thing about the character, as 
>Barker created him, was that he DIDN'T obey the usual horror baddie 
>conventions. He didn't cackle madly. He did get physical. He wasn't out 
>for personal gain. He was distant, aloof, and just doing his job. 
>Hellraiser III's Pinhead broke EACH and EVERY one of those "laws".

   I agree.  Pinhead didn't seem even remotely like the character of the
first two films.  The enigmatic prose was there, but the conviction was
lost.  His seemingly constant, insipid, laughter was also irritating.
I'll mourn the loss of Hell's Pope.  (One of the few images in the film
I liked.)

>(2) Barker's worldview expressed in Hellraiser and followed through in 
>Hellraiser II is that "evil" (ie - Hell) is an elemental power that has 
>NO "good" opposite. There are no angels in THIS universe; it's us poor 
>humans vs. the Powers of Evil. NOT a fair or comforting arrangement. By 
>providing the main character of Hellraiser III with a magical ally, the 
>nihilistic universal order is simply toppled.

   I hadn't thought of it that way before, but there's probably some
truth to it.  I'm not sure it is a case of "good" not existing.  Rather
"good" doesn't get involved.  It's up to us to make our way down the path.
We must succeed or fail on our own merits.  Elliot's presence does change
things, but I'd hardly say the order was "toppled."  He seemed rather
ineffective, and only served as a distraction. 

>(3) The glorious thing about Clive Barker's writing is that he can be 
>utterly perverse without apparent effort. How many people die in 
>Hellraiser? A handful...BUT, each death is twisted and staggeringly 
>nasty. It's economical and effective. Hell on Earth, on the other hand, 
>tried to duplicate this without really understanding WHY it worked -- 
>instead of a few awful deaths, we're given HUNDREDS of bodies killed in 
>very banal kind of ways. Just doesn't cut it.

   Hellraiser was made rather cheaply, and I think there is a lesson to
learned there by many in the film business.  Throwing more money at a
project probably won't make it any more terrifying.  (Well, maybe the
producers will be!  ;-))  Nearly all of my favorite horror films were
made without the benefit of huge budgets, Stan Winston, Rob Botin, or
any other effects guru you'd care to mention.  Barker did it once will
Hellraiser, Sam Raimi did it with Evil Dead(1&2).  Horror can be cheap!

   - larry

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From: srb@athena.mit.edu (Steve Balzac)
Subject: Re: Tsathoggua
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:08:11 GMT


Isn't Tsathoggua the black star toad with a million young who drives
its victims insane by holding them down and showing them pictures of
the young until the happless victim's brains boil out of his ears?

-Steve
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From: sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Subject: Necronomicon GIFs
Keywords: shoggoth, rabbit, wascally
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:57:42 GMT


Does anyone have a binary of that famous picture in the Necronomicon?
You know, the picture of a shoggoth that looks like a crazily grinning
rabbit when viewed from a certain angle?

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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: denneker and Hali
Keywords: bierce
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:57:30 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <BxBLnI.K2L@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>>In article <Bx8Hov.Hpn@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
>>>In article <Bx7vGC.7tG@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>>>>Marion Zimmer Bradley has a Darkover series of SF novels.  One of the major
>>>>dieties is named H****r (whom I'd rather not name on this newsgroup).
>>>
>>>Why not?
>>>
>Well, if you want, you can try explaining to an enraged Chthulu Cycle Deity
>that you weren't talking about him but about someone else of the same name.
>I'd rather do something less dangerous, like playing Russian Roulette with 5
>out of the 6 chambers loaded..
  What makes you think that he'd be mad. >I< don't think that he'd be mad.
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From: ADELEKTA@kentvm.kent.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Tsathoggua
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:37:07 GMT
Organization: Kent State Univ.

In article <BxKDFK.BJv@willamette.edu>
ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey) writes:
 
>   Actually, Tsathoggua is a toad God that Lovecraft didn't create.  It
>was someone else who created it, but Lovecraft used it in some of his
>revisions....
 
 Does anyone if that's the "Saint Toad" mentioned in the Illuminatus trilogy? I
seem to remember someone running into, er, "him."
 
-anne
 
(If any hardcore Lovecraft fans haven't read the Illuminatus trilogy by Robert
Anton Wilson and Robert Shea, I would suggest it. There are references to stuff
of Lovecraft's everywhere - and besides, it's a great book.)
From: melchar@shakala.com (Barbara Haddad)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Is there anything there
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:06:16 GMT
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin) writes:

> In article <1992Nov6.203245.21246@npal.rn.com> cstewart@npal.rn.com writes:
> >Is there anything there?!
> 
> "You fool! Warren is dead!"
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       One of my absolute _favorite_ lines from ANY short story!  I think 
Randolph Carter was my favorite Lovecraftian 'hero'.  HPL certainly got a 
lot of use out of him.

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From: jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen)
Subject: hungh thunghru!
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:30:28 GMT


hungh thunghru,
u thunghught u wuthuld tru tu pust sumuthunghng 
usung u sumplu putturn substutututhun, whunghch 
cunnut bu purfuctlu ducudud, und whunghch cruthutus
tuxt whunghch luthuks u but luku sumuthunghng frum 
u luvucruft nuvul. thunghs tuxt luthuks luku 
sumuthunghng wruttun un thungh lunguthugu uf 
cthunghlhungh.

juff...


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From: ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey)
Subject: Re: denneker and Hali
Keywords: bierce
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:40:41 GMT

In article <01aq_j@lynx.unm.edu> jcjordan@pioneer.unm.edu (Jaime Jordan) writes:
>In article <BxGuCy.3Cp@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>>In article <BxD67u.Cop@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
>>>In article <BxBLnI.K2L@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>>>>>In article <Bx8Hov.Hpn@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
>>>>>>In article <Bx7vGC.7tG@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>>>>>>>Marion Zimmer Bradley has a Darkover series of SF novels.  One of the major
>>>>>>>dieties is named H****r (whom I'd rather not name on this newsgroup).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>Well, if you want, you can try explaining to an enraged Chthulu Cycle Deity
>>>>that you weren't talking about him but about someone else of the same name.
>>>>I'd rather do something less dangerous, like playing Russian Roulette with 5
>>>>out of the 6 chambers loaded..
>>>  What makes you think that he'd be mad. >I< don't think that he'd be mad.
>>
>>Hmm.  Defeated in battle, mutilated, imprisoned for eons, with a face that
>>can drive a human insane, and with a "Do Not Disturb" sign out.  IMHO, a
>>human being in this sort of situation would be filled with unfocused hostility
>>liable to be vented on anything that annoyed him.  I may be falling into the
>>old anthropomorphicising fallacy though.  Visualize your average Chthulu Cycle
>>Deity oozing sweetness and light and the milk of human kindness instead of
>>rancid ichor.  Can you do that?
>
>He he - this came up as article #666 on my newsreader.  I guess that's an
>auspicious number for this newsgroup - the forces of evil, chaos, and apathy
>being equal and all...  
>
>And, since I'm here, thanks to all of you who set me straight on my question
>about the Plateau of Leng appearing elsewhere.  Actually, it got me to finally
>read Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath!  Fun, fun, fun, fun ...
>
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>I am He who howls in the night          -  My car is the car of death 
>I am He who moans in the snow           -  My wings are the wings of dread 
>I am He who hath never seen light       -  My breath is the North Wind's breath
>I am He who mounts from below.          -  My prey are the cold and the dead.
>		H O W A R D   P H I L L I P S   L O V E C R A F T 
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>Jaime C Jordan	      	University of New Mexico 	jcjordan@lacerta.unm.edu
>________________________________________________________________________________


  I just wanted to see how many different quotes from previous users we could
get into the same message.

-Ethan

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