From: tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:14:48 GMT

knyal@ils.nwu.edu (Jarrett Knyal) writes:
>As far as I'm concerned he could've said "next week" until the end of time,
>that's his perogative.  Don't try to tell me everything you've ever done took
>exactly as long as you thought it would.

I am very sorry I have a double standard, I am very procrastinative myself.
May be I should not have critized Jim Drew and his UU. I mean you are right,
how can I. We are all human. Again, I apologize to Jim Drew, and anybody
whom I critized as being not sticking to their words. I don't care if anybody
on here, including UU, is doing whatever, and I should remain a little more
quiet on this group from this point on.
>>
>I totally agree with this point; this is the whole basis for my being upset
>about this matter.  It would be like walking into a store and going up to the
>counter to buy something  and the clerk says, "O.K., you have to pay for this
>in full right now, but you can't take it now,  You have to wait until I decide
>to send it to you.
>I was, BTW, one of those whose card was billed way early. 

[I said]
>>Even we have not paid real money, but if the net has spent so much bandwidth
>>on this topic, which we are all getting excited (or were) because of its
>>claimed outstanding features being an everything emulator. A lot of people
>>have to pay (or their institution providing the netnews) to read and post
>>news. The customers were willing to pay because they were told it was going
>>to be shipped 'very soon'.

[Jarrett said]
>Oh, c'mon!  How can you demand someone stick to their word because you are
>"getting excited".  Nobody is twisting your arm to read this Emplant thread. 
>What a dumb thing to say.  It just sounds so childish.

I am sorry that I am actually childish, and thus said dumb things all the time.
Thanks for pointing that out, I'll never do this again. I guess I did not make
my point clear, I was responding to the poster who said we should not bombard
Jim Drew about all these, like bitch and whine etc. But he also said those
who have paid, can do so ,because he can symphasize with them, since they
have paid. (if you think I am not paraphrazing him correctly, read his post
again). I was trying to say, why the difference? Why we on this group should
not acted on UU and Jim Drew, but only those who paid for Emplant should?
Then I mentioned, the reason the rest of us have a right to bitch and whine
because it concerns us too, obvious it is an all time high topic here, and
if this is not such a big topic, why all these reactions again? I did not
demand someone stick to 'their' word because I am "getting excited", I
stated many times I have never said anything here, while many others were
complaining about its delivery date (including those who have not paid).

Again, my whole point was that I disagreed with the earlier poster who
said he did not want all these bombardment on Jim Drew/UU, but he understands
those who paid, then complained. I said we should have the rights to complain
too, even we haven't paid for Emplant. That's it. Why I sounded dumb and
childish,etc, because I was in front of the computer too long, and cannot
get it right. Ok?
>>
>>Yes, you are absolutely right, I'd not recommand this buying practice too.
>>But if I emphasized this a couple months ago, some would say I should be
>>more patient and have faith/trust etc.

>I wouldn't recommend it to anyone now either.  I did trust that the product
>would come along and perform as promised.  Basically, I trusted them.

As another poster just corrected me, besides the track record of Emplant and
Sybil, there is Super-Ami-Card, the ultimate copier. No, not me complaining,
look at others. I just think I must be more skeptical than some other people.
(like you said , you trusted them, even after all these suspicions and
poor track record; and I am not saying you are stupid or anything (I mean
NOT implying either), just human beings have different levels in trust, that's
all.
>>
>Plus. it costs money and time to send something back.  It's a pain in the ass,
>and one that shouldn't be neccessary.

I agreed it is no fun, even if it's local, I had experience in this.

Ok, folks, I am not going to sound 'childish' or 'dumb' anymore.

Bye,
David