HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sl55050@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SauWai )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Alan Tam's age
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:34:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

gho@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grace Ho) writes:


>Hi, I was just wondering how old Alan Tam really is.
>My Aunt said that he was in his 40's but he
>looks so young!  Thanks!

Alan Tam always has been saying he is 25 since I think about 5 years ago..
Well, of course I don't mean he is 30 now..my guess is he is probably in
his early 40's. Well, I think alot of ppl look younger than their actual age
and esp Alan has a kinda "baby face". I think that has to do a lot with it.
 
 Sauwai
 UIUC
From: gho@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grace Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Andy Lau's Concert
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:44:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: netnews.73125
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



I was wondering if anyone knew if Andy's going to come out
w/ a CD of his concert.  I saw his concert in Atlantic City
and he sang a Korean song that i really liked. Does anyone
have any idea what the name of this song is?  Thanks....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Cellular's in HK
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:02:07 GMT

    In article <gcmmiB4w164w@student.business.uwo.ca> j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng) writes:
    >Mr. Cheong:
    >        Yes, cellular phones function perfectly in the colony.  In fact, 
    >a lot of people have been purchasing the phones in North America, only to 
    >resell it at a profit in the HK used phone market (which, incidentally, 
    >is thriving due to tremendous demand).  An average Motorola foldable 
    >(light grey) resells at approx. 70% above its retail price in Canada.  I 
    >guess there's some room for the enterprising individual here.  Hope this 
    >information helps.
    >
    >j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
    >Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

Yes, the retail price of cellular phones in HK is artificially  high.
Yes, there is substantial difference in the retail prices between  HK
and Canada/US, and the difference sometimes could amount to a round-trip
tickets.  So why is not everybody doing it?  Some good reasons are:

1. Unlike buying a CD player, you cannot simply plug in the cellular
   phone and expect it to work.  You need to get a ID from Hutchison,
   the operator of cellular network.  If you buy the phone from overseas,
   it could take 3 to 6 months for your application  to be approved.  
   (If you buy the phone locally, you probably can get it in days.)

2. One application per person.  You have to show your passport that 
   you were abroad when you buy it, and you indeed buy the phone from 
   abroad.  This rule effectively kills off any substantial grey market
   since no single person can bring in more than a couple of cellular 
   phones each year.

3. Hutchison does not honor the waranty of the phones if you bought it
   elsewhere.  The repair costs are probably steep. (I have no idea
   how reliable the phones are).

4. Then you need to know the market: which brand/model is popular, which
   one has the biggest price differential.  Then you have to find
   a buyer!

These are not insurmontable problems, but they are such a hassles that
you have to think twice before you really get into it.  I have a friend
who has bought a OKI phone from US.  The HK dealer of OKI told him
that he need to a special chip before he could use the phone in HK.
Of course the chip ain't cheap (a few hundred US dollars)!  I have
not heard of similar rip-off story on Motorola's phone.

If you have success story, please let me know :-)  

-cw-


_____________________________________________________________________________
C.W.Chung       Objectivity Inc.      Object-Oriented DBMS  Tel: 415/688-8023
                800 El Camino Real,   Menlo Park CA 94025   Fax: 415/325-0939
                                      email: cw@objy.com    or  uunet!objy!cw
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Another good place to visit in HK: bookstores for US textbooks
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:07:39 GMT
	<1992Apr3.144433.13311@bradford.ac.uk>
	<LAUB.92Apr4204725@laub.Software.Mitel.COM>
	<1992Apr5.233926.5691@bradford.ac.uk>
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: K.K.Soo@bradford.ac.uk's message of 5 Apr 92 23:39:26 GMT

>>>>> On 5 Apr 92 23:39:26 GMT, K.K.Soo@bradford.ac.uk (KK SOO) said:
KK> laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:

KK> >I do not think the word US is redundant. When I was in Hong Kong last
KK> >December, US books were at the bottom of my book priority list.  I did
KK> >visit the Hong Kong U. book store to see what text books were used for
KK> >Computer Science and Business. It was a complete disappointment - the
KK> >book store was filled with elementary books, at least on Computer
KK> >Science and Business.

KK> Did you visit Chinese U or HK poly bookstore as well?
KK> You would be disappointed again anyway :)

I did not visit any one of them - had I stay longer in Hong Kong, I
would have visited them as well (I typically spent hours in a good
bookstore. In the case of Cosmos, I returned there several times.
Thus, it was a time consuming event to visit a bookstore.)

BTW, anyone cares to speculate why the university/poly. bookstores in
Hong Kong are so poorly stocked?

Here in Ottawa, the bookstores of the two universities are really well
stocked with good quality books.

[...]

KK> >picked up 80+ books. About 8 of them below HK$20. BTW, those 8 were
KK> >not comics or some no brainers.

KK> Did you buy some political magazines, like 'HK '97' or '90 Century' ?
KK> They're below HK$20 too :)

I did buy political magazines - but they were not counted as books.
Most of the low price, ie. below HK$20, books that I bought were
published in the mainland China.

--
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp.  				    
350 Legget Drive, Kanata
Ontario, Canada, K2K 1X3
From: fcc1@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Fat-Chi Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Breathing Sound of Yo-Yo Ma (was Re: HK singers)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:08:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Apr15.160816.994
Organization: University of Rochester Computing Center


I am not trying to destroy our netters' joy in listening to Ma's performance.
 
But, if you don't notice Ma's breathing sound, try listening to
some of his recordings for Cello Sonata or for pieces with solo cello. 
(It might not easy to identify the sound for Cello Concerto which involves
many kinds of instruments.) 
Use headphone and CD player.
Play attention to the time about 0.5 to 1 second before his cello 
enters. suiii.......... suiiiiiiii........ :-)
 
If you still don't get it, try to watch some video for Ma's concert.
Finally, you might try to get a front seat in his concert.
Ma is currently recording with CBS.

Hope this won't help.:-) 'cause you might not enjoy his performance
after recognize this.

Fat-Chi
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: rk7151@csc.albany.edu (KWOK RAYMOND Y)
Subject: Info needed on Chinese-English translator program
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:04:11

Hi,
I posted this message for my friend. She is looking for information
of Chinese-English translator or English-Chinese translator program.
It can be program on any machine - IBM, VAX, UNIX, C, or Mac.
She wanted to know:
	The product name
	The company
	and brief description about the product.
Any reply can send to me through email or post in the newsgroup.
Thanks in advance!

My email address is:
	rk7151@csc.albany.edu

Ray
-- 
  Raymond Kwok Yin Lung	kwok@cs.albany.edu
Freezing rain, mixed with snow, plus wind chilling, make me stay at home. What 
can I do then? Study?? :-p  Sleep?? NO, cause I have slept too much already. 
Study Geomancy?? Great!!
From: sun@torolab3.VNET.IBM.COM (Frankie K. Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Subscription
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:53:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9204141456.AA19223
Reply-To: sun@torolab3.VNET.IBM.COM (Frankie K. Sun)
Organization: IBM Canada Laboratory

Hi, all.  I do not have local USENET access.  Can I subscribe to this
newsgroup?

Thanks.
************************************************************************
The opinions expressed are my own and are NOT those of IBM.

Frankie K. Sun                      SUN@TOROLAB3.VNET.IBM.COM
IBM Canada Laboratory               (416) 448-2493
71/240/895/TOR
North York, Ontario
CANADA M3C 1W3
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: henry@next12csc.wam.umd.edu (Pakwai Henry Wu)
Subject: testing   :)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:34:20 GMT

test?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: thau@engws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Tsan F Hau)
Subject: test
Originator: thau@engws2.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:47:44 GMT

	This is just a test!!!!

					-Sam-
From: onward@fsg.com (Onward Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Population of HK
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:46:15 GMT
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, New York City

chao@euclid.uoregon.edu (Kung M. Chao) writes:
>
>Something interesting. We only got 5.9M people in HK, 1991.
>
That is according to Census. My gut feeling is more like 6.2M.

>Capital city of HK is Victoria--I never heard of this.
>
Well, now you have.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs4gp6ag@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Chan        KS)
Subject: Re: HK driver licence
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:38:44 GMT

In article <PL4262.92Apr15083433@eve.albany.edu> pl4262@csc.albany.edu (Peter Lau) writes:
>In article <ALAW.92Apr14225047@leland.Stanford.EDU> alaw@portia.Stanford.EDU (Alvin Law) writes:
>
>>   You are allowed to use Int'l license in HK even if you are a resident
>>   of Hong Kong.  The police might ask you a few questions but as long as
>>   you can show your driver license from say the US you are fine.
>
>Really? I have a friend some years ago (I think it's 6 years ago)
>got into some minor accident. He is a resident of HK and he was
>using the International driver license as well as the UK license...
>He was charge "driving without a proper license" and the court
>said HK resident always require a license from HK.
>
>pete


  As long as you can show the citizenship of country other than HK, you can
use Int'l D. L. in HK without any problem, otherwise, you might be charged
with Driving without a proper licence.  If you don't have any other
citizenship other than HK, and you have a foreign D. L., you can simply
go to Dept. of Transportation and apply for a valid D.L..  Of course, you
have to pay for it, and re-new every three years!
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Breathing Sound - an anecdote
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:36:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: dsg.1992Apr14.203651.6246
Organization: Tandem Computers

In my last posting, I said that breathing sound has become 
an important part of pop music singing. Actually, when I
thought about it, it had started surprisingly early: it all
starts with Baa(white) Shuet(snow) Cin(fairy). Remember her
famous Princess Flower and Purple Hair-pin Story? They are
full of her unique breathing sounds.

And here is a story associated with Cin Jeh and ... her breathing
sound.

I lived with an American from New York in the dorm during my
freshman year. One day I was listening to Cin Jeh's Princess
Flower and he and my other HK friend came in. After talking a
while, my HK friend and I became curious about how our Cantonese
opera sound like in this barbaric's ear. So, we asked what he
thought the piece was all about. I don't know whether it is
because the way we approached him or something else, he got
blushed, (he is a very shy person,) then with a mystery look
in his face and stammered softly, "It is ... about ... loving
making, right?" My friend and I laughed to our tears out!

"I don't make this up!"

Steven
------
... This all sounds complicated, but it mostly does exactly
what you expect. It's just hard for us to explain what you
expect ...
				  - From "Programming Perl"
From: K.K.Soo@bradford.ac.uk (KK SOO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Hotels in Toronto
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:51:25 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91862372@muser

In article <1992Apr10.043837.7260@latcs1.lat.oz.au> liu@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Nga Kwok Liu) writes:
>In article <9204092252.AA10343@.euclid.uoregon.edu.> chao@EUCLID.UOREGON.EDU (Kung M. Chao) writes:
>>US$70/nite. You are rich. 8-*  I never pay more than $50 for a
>>room in hotel.  :-)
>
>It would cost much cheaper if you stay in those places like YMCA, or
>youth hostels. 

Also those places like guest houses, Bed and Breakfast, or even champing :)

Fred
-- 
k.k.soo@bradford.ac.uk
Computer Science, University of Bradford, UK.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:5442 soc.culture.asean:2586
From: ab0kfc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (K F Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asean,culture.asian.american
Subject: BMS survey
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:33:22 GMT
Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK

If you are an undergradate of engineering you may like to
do a questionnaire through email, on the subject "Building
Management Systems". This questionnaire is being done by 
your counterparts at USA, CAN, & UK. Comparison will be 
made between you and them.

If you know nothing about BMS but you know some others may 
do, please pass on the message.

Come and Join the party !!

-------------------------------------------------------------
K.F CHOW                      email : ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.sl1
School of Architecture &              ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Building Engineering,
Bath University, UK
-------------------------------------------------------------
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:43:33 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>
>sorry, Qing Ming is one of the day fixed by the movement of the sun, so it
>is fixed at 4th or 5th of April in sonar calendar. In lunar, it is
>different every year.

	It could be on April 6, too.

====================================>.sig <====================================
  Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)	   Internet:  hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
 *Columbia University Amateur Radio Club (CUARC-<>-W2AEE)  *Founded, 1913*
 *The American Radio Relay League:  Amateur Radio >>---> A National Resource
 *New York Road Runners Club  -&-  Columbia University Road Runners Club 
 :::::::"Go run.  Nothing else can make you feel as good as making love."  --ME
====================================> end <====================================
From: yeung@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Augustus W Yeung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: I N S T A N T N O O D L E S
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:45:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

The worst method to cook InstantNoodles is to let your girlfriend
to cook IN in microwave. First, girls dont have any sense of
measurement so they either put a lot or too little water (for
my girlfriend, A LOT OF WATER). Second, girls dont have a good sense
of how to operate electrical applicances so they spend quite some
time to figure how to use the microwave. Finally, you end up with
a bowl of STUFF in a lot of cold water.

So you argue with your girlfriend and you end up eating the bowl
of STUFF in a lot of cold water plus you need to cook for her
another bowl of instant noodle because she says she will not 
talk to you again until you cook her a real instant noodle.

Woman may be a good cook but girl is a lousy instant noodle cook.

I perfer dorm food than IN cooked by my girlfriend :->
gus
From: hbonney@TYMNET.COM (Hugh Bonney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: US INS complaints
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:21:11 GMT


  A US citizen was complaining about the complications and rudeness of
  the US INS in the process of bringing in his foreign wife when he 
  appeared to disregard the usual procedures. So I posted the following:
  
  Re: Immigration Procedures
    One thing missing in this discussion is that the U.S. INS is under-
    funded for the immigration numbers and basically can only pay attention
    to you crossing the border or filling out a form. Otherwise it just
    doesn't exist. The movie "Green Card" is only a fantasy.

    It's also the bad stories that make it harder for people with ordinary
    stories. Mine is that I married a woman May 31,'91 in China that I met
    and knew in Hong Kong. Ren Shuying (Kate Ren) was a manager with the Yue
    Jiao trading company (PRC) in H.K., H.K. I.D., and a PRC citizen. She
    came to the US Dec 19,'91 sponsored as my wife but acted as though on a
    business trip and never unpacked. Jan 14,'92 she disappeared when I was 
    at work. I was supposed to think it an immigration scheme, but it turned 
    into a cheap novel. She had also met a rich Englishman and decided that
    was a better deal. Divorces in H.K. take a long time and require grounds. 
    So the only way to get it done and get out of China at the same time was 
    to come here as my wife and go to Reno for a quickie divorce. March 10,'92
    she and her UK citizen went to the British Consulate in Los Angeles and 
    applied for a Fiance Visa, which is pending the divorce. As I had expected 
    a hopefully happy marriage and family of this, I have really been stunned
    by this cold and ignoble scheme. A puzzle is why the British citizen 
    couldn't get her out of China.

    She will very soon have a Nevada divorce - six weeks "residence", for
    incompatibility, no signature from me. Originally a local British lawyer
    told me that the Reno divorces were not valid in the U.K. or H.K. However,
    I've also been told recently that they are perfectly all right. It also
    seems that Fiance Visas are theoretically very easy to get from the U.K.
    So Reno, Nevada/LA is an easy back door for a UK/EC or HK Visa. No doubt
    easier than in Hong Kong. Further, Reno is doing enough business with
    non-US citizens that all the INS rules about the 2 year conditional visas
    don't really mean much of anything. There are all sorts of schemes. In
    other cases a US citizen has served as a railroad to import a person who
    is a criminal, or whatever. I knew nothing of all this a few months ago.

    Anyway, an immigration law firm can inexpensively handle the paperwork
    for an uncomplicated case and paralegals get to stand in the INS lines.
    If you have found such a good person to marry, be grateful for your good
    fortune. Don't worry about small things. Good luck and happiness to you.
	     ------------------------------
----415-961-6286----408-922-6198--work--------------Hugh Bonney---------
    hbonney@spiff.tymnet.com           or dialcom   31000:hughb
From: fcc1@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Fat-Chi Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: HK "Representatives" in People's Congress(Mainland) (was Re: Lisa...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:55:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester Computing Center

In article <whxj51f.wongi@netcom.com>, wongi@netcom.com (Isaac Wong) writes:
> In article <stevew.703188412@helios> stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu) writes:
> >5.  Apointed to be a representative of HK district in People Congress.
>      ^^^^^^^^	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> that's really a joke. appointed representative! it's almost oxymoronic.

I am curious about Lisa's vote on the Three-Gorges Project(San Xia).
Any informations(inside/outside)? Gossip? Rumor?
How about other HK "representatives" like Herny Fok, ....?

I have no opinion on this project because 
(1) have not played attention,
(2) have no reliable information and details.

F.C. Cheng
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (James Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Two questions on bookstores carrying textbooks or reference books
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:13:56 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (James Lam)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <RK7151.92Apr7160845@eve.albany.edu>, rk7151@csc.albany.edu (KWOK RAYMOND Y) writes:
|> In article <2209@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (James Lam) writes:
|> 
|> >   |> 1. If you have time to go to only one bookstore (since I plan only a 
|> >   |>    short visit), which would you go for more advanced books on
|> >   |> 
|> >   |> 	computer science
|> >   |> 	mathematics and physics
|> >   |> 	mechanical engineering
|> >
|> >   Go to:
|> >
|> >   (1) Cave Bookstore at YauMaTei ("Do Shuen" Street) off Jordan Road Pier.
|> 	Chinese name is Dun Wong. It has a lot of computer and mathematics
|> 	book. Some of them are printed in Singapore - like Computer Networks
|> 	by A. Taneubum, which use good quality paper.
|> 
|> >   (2) Hon Wing Bookstore at MongKok (drop at Mongkok MTR station)
|> 	Not too much college books there, but worth a try.
|> 

It does have a lot of engineering books published by Prentice-Hall, Wiley,
and McGraw-Hill.

|> >   (3) Man Yuen Bookstore near Jordan MTR station.
|> 	Science major would like this bookstore, many physics, biology and
|> 	medical books.
|> 
|> Ray
|> -- 

Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yap40294@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gotta go to class ;P)
Subject: Re: Lai Ming
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:28:25 GMT

john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:

>>>If you were put in the same situation, I think you will feel very
>>>discouraging. 
>>>So stop complaining and be CONSIDERATE!

>Be CONSIDERATE?????  Professional singers get paid for their 
>performance, their voice, their talent and some packaging, of course.
>When Lai Ming announces to the world that he is a Pro, he better 
>lives up to the minimun standard of a professional - do it well
>and do it good - this is what professionalism is all about.  
>I doubt if he or his record company will be considerate when I 
>purchase his CD, so why should I be considerate if he can't even 
>get the tone right.

>-- 
>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA (john@jho.com)             - No news is bad news.


I agree with you.  A professional singer should have his/her professional
before s/he is worth respected as a professional.  In the case of Lai Ming
though, I do not feel he is a professional singer. He is more like a 
professional entertainer ( in the category of idols).  This means the
audience should have different expectations watching him from when watching
a professional singer.  As an idol, I think he is very successful.  Thus in 
that sense, he deserves to to call a pro.  As far as singing goes, if he thinks
he is a pro singer, then he is being presumptuous.  Certainly, a lot of singersimprove their skills over time, and I would not deny the possibility Lai
Ming will improve to the rank of pro singer some day.  However, for right now
at least, he is an incompetent singer.  We should not deprive his fans of his
performances.  After all he is a successful idol.  On the other hand, in my 
opinion, he can probably stick to recording right now.  He will have several
chances to get all the notes right.  As for live performances, especially 
those with other singers, he should consider avoiding them until he is
confident enough to sing the high notes, and competent enough to sing the
right notes.

Anastasia Poon