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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:08:39 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.023440.1118@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>I thought that I might take the time to point out that my previous 
>post indicating that the Korean gov't is giving preferential treatment
>to Korean-AMERICANS has been verified by this LA times article.
>I might also point out that my opinion that this behavior is RACIST
>and BIGOTTED seems to be shared by other Americans.
>
>As I said before, if the Korean gov't wants to help Americans, then
>it's fine.  However, the Korean gov't should _not_ be giving preferential
>treatment to AMERICAN citizens of Korean ancestry.
>
>If that isn't bigotted and racist, what is?

Dwight,

Your way of thinking is kinda screwed up.  You are always thinking this way:
"If you are only helping X, that means your racist because you're not helping
Y or Z".

Korea has NO financial obligation to help anyone in the US after the riots.
They decided to help Korean Americans because these Korean Americans have roots
to Korea.

Gary
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From: e199-ac@hydrus (Alexander Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:33:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <MDAY.92Jul23175028@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
>
>   judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>   If you think all Asian Americans are upper-middle class, then you need
>   to go to Oakland, SF, NY, or wherever you'll see a lot of immigrants
>   with kids in gangs and sweatshop jobs. I wouldn't completely ally
>   myself with a bunch of White people when I know there are still lots
>   of racist White people in this country.
>
>Oh, wake up and smell the coffee, already.  You act like all whites
>are upper-middle class, too.  I'll show you some of the fun
>neighborhoods round here with white gangs and sweatshops.
>
>Dividing the have-nots against each other based on race is part of how
>the haves stay in control.  And people like you play right into their
>hands.  
>
>--Mark Day
>
>mday@lcs.mit.edu

Oh, thank you Almighty God of racial politics and socio-economics for giving 
us that great peice of insight.  Where the hell would we be without
you, Mark, to check and balance us just-to-incompetent clueless individuals on 
this net.  You are obviously talking to a brick wall.

I don't think that Judy had any intention to deny the existence of poor white 
folks, nor do I think that she's trying to divide the have-nots in this country,
Especially when she was the one to approve of Af/As relationships more than
As/White relationships.  I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that all she was
merely trying to do was note the disparity of wealth in this country as it 
applies to race and to dispel of the stereo-type that all Asian Americans
in this country are upper-middle class (Sounds kinda familiar, Huh?).

Alex

P.S.  If you had read the previous post carefully Mark, you would have 
realized that I knew you were being sarcastic.  I just thought that it
was a shame for someone who claims to attack stereotypes sarcastically
know all them to it's intricate detail. 
 
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:27:45 GMT

In article 9673@tamsun.tamu.edu, achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>Since everyone seems to be missing *my* point (points, actually),
>I probably should have made them in the original post:
>
>1.  Trudeau reinforces the misperception that Asian-Americans
>    are taking over and running away with all the goodies, when
>    the fact is that National Merit Scholars are the exception
>    among Asian-Americans, not the rule.  ("Asian-Americans are
>    winning all the scholarships!  What could they possibly have
>    to complain about?")
>
>2.  I for one resent having my scholastic achievements used as
>    an object lesson for Caucasian students to study harder.
>    They were the product of Real American public schools, and
>    are an asset to Real America, not a threat.
>
>But seeing as these points were too subtle for s.c.a.a, what
>hope would I have with Trudeau?
>-- 
>Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
>achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
>                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *


I thought the point was that Trudeau was making fun of the caucasean attitudes.  I
don't think that waht Trudeau had to say was that subtle.  He was making fun
of the way the anglos think that there must be a trick to scholastic
excellence and the generally accepted notion that certain ethnics are smarter
while certain others are dumber.  Get a clue.
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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:45:35 GMT

In article <14ktknINNgtu@agate.berkeley.edu> judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.172926.23144@u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
>>In article <23276@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon) writes:

>>>It ignores the fact that
>>>most whites are in exactly the same position as asians,
>>>because of economic power issues,

>>	True. And it needs to be said and repeated.

>> rather than race issues, and
>>>that economic power is becoming the new method of discrimination
>>>in this society

>Do I hear "model minority, model minority" reverberating the the background?

	You might. I don't.

>If you think all Asian Americans are upper-middle class, then you need to
>go to Oakland, SF, NY, or wherever you'll see a lot of immigrants with kids
>in gangs and sweatshop jobs. I wouldn't completely ally myself with a bunch of
>White people when I know there are still lots of racist White people in this
>country.

	I wouldn't either.  I'd find the non-racist whites and ally with them.

-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
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From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:14:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.072717.17394@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:

	[repost from Huy Cao about Amy and Andy at UCLA deleted]

Good post Jim,

I have another story I thought I might wnat to share with you netters.

One time I was grocery shopping in a supermarket in Austin, Tx.  A
Hispanic (Mexican-looking) guy came up to me and started to speak
Spanish to me.  He seemed to be asking me something.  I did not reply so
he asked me "Habla Espanol" (sp?).  I said "Sorry I don't speak
Spanish".  The guy then keep saying "par que, par que".  What he said
sounded like "pour quoi" in Frendh which means "why" in English.  The
guy had mistaken me for being Mexican/Pueto Rican or whatever and
expected me to speak Spanish.  You see I just came back from a heavy
windsurfing trip in the Texas coast.  I got so tan that I could pass for
Mexican ( hey no ofense to any Mexican-ge out there, I am  Chinese-ge
and I just thought that it is kinda funny that I look Mexican when I get
darker ).

It is indeed hard to differentiate some Asian ethnicities.  Heck I got
mistaken for being Philipino by some Phillipinoes themself.  I therefore
usually asume that people are just curious about my ethnicity when they
ask me where I am from.  I don't hesitate telling them mine but some
time I asked them back if they are French, Dutch, Jamaican, etc.  I
think this is a good way to tell people that "WE ASIANS (*) DON'T ALWAYS
LOOK THE SAME".

(* note:  ASIAN here means Asian looking.  I dont want to get into 
arguments about A vs AA, FOB vs. ABC, etc.)


PS:  Jim, for your info, my story happened in the HEB on Riverside
	road near I35 about 3 years ago when I was working in Austin..
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:51:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)


I have had countless people ask me my ethnicity.  Many netters might
assume that mostly Caucasians ask this but 90% of the people who ask
me are ethnically Asian.  Philipinos in particular ask me if I am Philipino.
It has been the experience of mine, my mother's and my wife's that Philipinos
think everyone is a Philipino and are not afraid to ask to confirm it.

My wife and I ate at a Chinese restaurant in Dallas last year and the
Chinese-ge waitress asked me where I am from.  I answered, "California."

She said, "No, really.  Where are you from?"

I said, "I was born and raised in San Diego, California."

She said, "No, where are you from?"

I toyed with her a little more and having fun with her prejudices and
finally told her that my ancestors on my father's side came to the US
from Europe about 100 years ago and my mother's side went to Hawaii from
China about 100 years ago.

I am sure Caucasian people are just as curious as the Asians about what
my ethnicity is, especially when they know my name is Johnson, but
I think they are usually too shy to ask.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Doonesbury this week
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:38:52 GMT

Andrew, I haven't read those comics since I don't get the local paper, but
I think you may be overreacting.  From what I read of your summaries, I think
Trudeau is *spoofing* the attitudes of the white classmates, not making the
point that those attitudes are correct.

If you've read Doonesbury a lot, you'll notice that's what Trudeau does a
lot; namely, spoof the attitudes of people who don't quite "get it."  I'm
99.999% sure that's what he's doing in this case.

Please, no complaining to Trudeau on this, or else he's going to think *we*
don't "get it."

Jim
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:42:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.190839.14904@sco.com> garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
>...
>Dwight,
>
>Your way of thinking is kinda screwed up.  You are always thinking this way:
>"If you are only helping X, that means your racist because you're not helping
>Y or Z".

No, Mr. Ho's thinking is screwed.

If "X" is a private individual, a private charity, etc., then fine.
Mr. Ho's statement is acceptable.  It's not my place to be telling
them what to do with their assistance.

However, if "X" is a gov't, then it is reprehensible.  Since when are
gov'ts supposed to give preferential treatment on the basis of ethnicity?

>
>Korea has NO financial obligation to help anyone in the US after the riots.
>They decided to help Korean Americans because these Korean Americans have
>roots
>to Korea.

Roots?  To Korea?  So "roots" qualifies for special behavior?
That's news to me.

<sarcasm on>

Now, I understand.

When the American gov't was locking up the Japanese-Americans because
it thought that because of their roots they had a special warmheartedness
for the "great" Japan, making them suspect as American citizens.
Of course, the American gov't could never be sure of the Japanese-American
motives and loyalty; they might side with the Japanese soldiers over
the Americans 'coz that's where they're roots are from.

Of course, the Chinese-cu-Americans were "loyal"; they didn't have roots
to Japan.  That's why some Chinese-cu jerks in 1942 were wearing
signs saying, "I'm not a J*p.  I'm a f*cking Chinese-cu.  Don't put
me in the internment camps."

<sarcasm off>

Have a nice day.

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From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:19:26
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
Distribution: na
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In-reply-to: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov's message of 18 Jul 1992 22:55:27 GMT

In article <24678@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:

> In Chinese, cheese transliterates into che-ssz ("qi4-zi3" in
> pinyin) or "vexed to death", which would be a good description of
> how it tastes to many Chinese.

  Hmmm, but do people actually call it that in China?  If so, I could
see why they wouldn't like to eat it!  The term for "cheese" that I
learned though was "nai3 lao4".

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:10:32 GMT

In article <1127@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>
>I have had countless people ask me my ethnicity.  Many netters might
>assume that mostly Caucasians ask this but 90% of the people who ask
>me are ethnically Asian.  Philipinos in particular ask me if I am Philipino.
>It has been the experience of mine, my mother's and my wife's that Philipinos
>think everyone is a Philipino and are not afraid to ask to confirm it.

  At the risk of sounding strident, I react differently to
  how the question is asked, and by whom.  If an obviously
  lonely person of Asian descent working at a menial position
  at a restaurant asked me, then I tell them "I'm Chinese, or
  my parents are from China."  Usually they're looking for someone
  to talk to.  Especially if they're stuck in a boony-town miles
  from any other people from their country.  I see it as a way
  for them to try to start a network.  Since they're looking
  for people to talk to I answer them the way they wanted me to
  answer.

  If someone came up to me and asked, "My friend and I have a bet.
  We're wondering where you're from."  Then I do my darndest to
  not satisfy their curiosity.  If I have time to kill, I say,
  "NYNEX (or wherever I'm working at)".  Then I say, "the Bronx,
  New York, Cornell, California, Los Angeles, Wilmington, Minnesota",
  as long as I can get away from it.  Usually they brazenly go on
  to say, "I mean where are you from originally?"  "Minnesota.
  I was born there."   Most people get the point by then and
  say something about wondering my ethnicity, to which I'd say,
  "Then why didn't you say so in the first place?"  (innocent eyes
  blinking wonderingly)

  BTW, my husband has been asked by people of the following if he
  were of that nationality:  Filipino, Samoan, Egyptian, Iranian,
  East Indian, Pakistani, Afghan, Mexican, Salvadorean, Malaysian,
  Indonesian.  He says that they're usually trying to find someone
  to talk to.  I think that most of us Americans were to go abroad,
  we just might go around asking people, "Are you American?" just
  to have someone to talk to about something.
>

p.s.  on your comment about Filipinos.  Since my husband's name is
Ayala, he always gets asked if he's Filipino and related to that
rich Ayala family.  He says, "Nope, but if you think I'm in their
will, let me know."  He's a poor Ayala from Puerto Rico.  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H. Chou)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby Letter: Draft #1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:22:47 GMT

line 4:

>avoiding the question, and was offended that someone might ask him his

		      x no comma, I don't think


>We are worried that your answer reflects a feeling that Asian Americans are
>foreign, are different.  This is not the best attitude for racial harmony.
        ^
foreign--that they are different.

I guess it's a matter of personal preference, but if I were to
write it, I'd choose that way instead of the comma.
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 29 Jul 1992 06:49:20 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Dan Lam writes:
>Leon C. Hsu writes:
>>
>>Let me tell you about life in Canada (or at least Ontario).
>>Here we have a government that believes that everyone has a
>>right to basic medical care. So, everyone is insured. Call
>>it socialized medicine, call it whatever you want. The point
>>is, everyone is covered for reasonable medical expenses,
>     ^^^^^^^^
>>regardless of whether or not they are filthy rich and can
>>afford it, or are unfortunate enough that they can't.
>>just a little propoganda for your soul.
>>
>
>EVERYONE?  including foreign students or other non-Canadians?
>Just curious.

I'm also curious.  What is the income tax schedule in Canada?  Is it
like the 15% to 28% here in the U.S.?  Also, what exactly is covered
under the universal health care?  Does catastrophic care count?

I had considered at one point buying catastrophic coverage that kicks
in when regular insurance gets overextended, say at about $250,000,
but on further examination, realized that my company coverage is
actually very good.  And it also cost several hundred dollars above
what I'm already paying for coverage.

	-- Anita --


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Some recent stats in the San Jose Mercury
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.011214.21748@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>	2.  Why did the Murky News focus on *household* income, rather than
>		per capita income?  Many of the less-prosperous Asian-American
>		families that I know have many, many wage-earners to make up
>		for the lousy pay they get from the lousy jobs they can find.

From my volunteer work at the SouthEast Asia Center, this fact is also very
true in the metropolitan Chicago area.

-Dan
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: CA Senate Candidates
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:58:56 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Distribution: ca

Would anyone care to comment on California's choice of 6 year
Senate candidates?

Barbara Boxer (Democratic Party)
June Genis (Libertarian Party)
Bruce Hershensohn (Republican Party)
Jerome McCready (American Independent Party)
Genevieve Torres (Peace & Freedom Party)

With all the political talk on this newsgroup, and the election
closing in fast, it would be a shame if no one shared any opinions
on the people to vote for.

Here is what I have heard/read (only as correct as my memory)
(where "(party)" is denoted, the stand is the party stand, which
may or may not be exactly what the candidate stands for):

Government spending:
Boxer:  high
Genis:  low
Hershensohn:  high on military, low on everything else
McCready:  ???
Torres:  ???

Abortion:
Boxer:  legal
Genis:  (party) legal, no government funding
Hershensohn:  illegal
McCready:  (party) illegal
Torres:  legal (?)

Immigration:
Boxer:  managed within limits
Genis:  open, no welfare
Hershensohn:  more restrictive, would not allow automatic citizenship
	to those born here unless one parent is a citizen
McCready:  (party) more restrictive
Torres:  ???
From: annie@hardy.u.washington.edu (Annie Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Karaoke
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:50:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul22.215027.3259
Organization: University of Washington

When I was visiting Taiwan two years ago, the term I saw was:


ka-la OK, with ka-la written in Chinese characters and OK in English.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: stchang@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steven Kuk-Jin Chang)
Subject: Re: Cheese
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:26:58 GMT

About lactose... It is my understanding after taking some biology that
fermented milk products do not contain lactose or much of it.
The bacteria that turn milk into yogurt or cheese also break down the 
lactose into its subsituent carbohydrates

Could be wrong though...:)












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