From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Mormons are not Christians
Summary: works, rewards, guilt, etc.
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:02:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <ld6uc7INNht8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, farkas@qual.Eng.Sun.COM (Frank Farkas) writes:

[concerning my response on faith and works]

> Barry, it looks like that you know diddly about LDS believes, yet you 
> want to look like an expert, who knows more about what we believe in
> then we know our own self.

Standard response- tape recorded message:-)

> 
> #1- You should know that we believe that only the sons of perditions
>     will be denied to go to heaven. We know that we won't go to hell,
>     and I personally know that you won't (you know too little).

How can you know(big K)all this? Do you really mean you speculate:-)?

> 
> #2- Works has to do with rewards, not with salvation.

Depends on who one is talking to at the time. Even so, when do
you understand or where is the cut-off line when you have done
enough works, or don't you know?

> 
> I Corint 3:13-15
> ****************
> "Every man's work shall be made manifast: for the day shall declare it, because
> it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what
> sort it is."
> 
> "If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive
> a reward."

Are these "works" something one does spontaneously from the heart,
or works which are forced out of duty to receive reward(brownie points)?
Etra credit: Have you ever found yourself wondering if you have done
enough, or not enough and should do more?

> 
> "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer a loss: but he himself 
> shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

This sounds much like "vain" works in hopes of receiving brownie points.
These works are too thin(superficial)to survive a blast.

> 
> 3#- You got it all backwards. Since I became a member of the LDS church I never 
>     heard a fire and brimstone sermon. We don't scare our members and we don't
>     keep them in line with the threat that they will go to hell if they don't
>     behave. You are confused us with some other churches.

What does this have to do with my original response on works? Are you
saying you have never had anyone lay a guilt trip on you for not
doing enough work for the kingdom?ow about your own mind, does your
own mind tell you more work is needed? Does your own mind lay guilt
on you?
Extra credit: Do you speak for All LDS on this matter?

> 
> By the way Barry, I just read your response regarding Re: MIND-CONTROL By ORTHODOX
> Religions, dated 7 Oct 92 02:34:35 GMT which dealt with the same subject. It

The article was about "works"?

> seams like that other denomination who are having the problem. Is it possible that
> you got the LDS confused with the Missouri Synod Lutheran and the Wisconsin 
> Evangelical Lutheran Synod???? -:) 

Oh? Are you going to say with a "brotherly love" straight face that
Mormon children are not fed Mormonism day and night from birth to
infinity? Oops, I might have fallen into a technical foul here. We
Mormons give our kids a break on (insert generic day:-))
Also, I want to let you in on a little secret:-)The standard WELS
teaching on "works" holds that one doesn't even need to attend
church*, Gasp! True, Grace without dutifull works Is the standard.
Can you honestly say the LDS church teaches that?
> 
> 
> With brotherly love,

Yeah sure, standard .sig


* Where attending church would be considered with "works". That is
how dedicaded to "grace only" they are.

barry--
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