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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:46:52 -0500
Reply-To:     MELODIE SANDERS <MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU>
From:         MELODIE SANDERS <MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject:      Maps of townships.
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU

There is an excellent atlas of United States maps which can be found
at most of the larger U.S. libraries. This atlas is my favorite place to
go for information on townships, counties, cities, etc.  The biggest
drawback is that most libraries have the current edition only.

	Commerical atlas and marketing guide / Rand, McNally and Co.
	  (Chicago, IL : Rand, McNally, and Co., 1992. Detached: Road
	  Atlas of the United States).

The detached road atlas is the familar road atlas that most of us
use when traveling. Almost all towns and townships are indexed with
a separate entry in the index with either the 1980 or 1990 census
figures.

Two other guides to census maps are:

	Township atlas of the United States / John L. Andriot.
	  (McLean, VA : Andriot Associates, 1979).


	Map guide to the U.S. federal censuses, 1790-1920 / William
	  Thorndale and William Dollarhide.  (Baltimore, MD :
	  Genealogical Publishing Co., 1987).


	Melodie Sanders		Internet: MES@VAX2.UTULSA.EDU
	Reference Librarian/Cataloger
	McFarlin Library
	University of Tulsa
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:01:08 EDT
Reply-To:     david child <UK05482@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         david child <UK05482@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Has anyone ever come across the name Hollensbe before?  It's my maternal grandf
ather, from Indiana, b.1904 near Spiceland.  Neither I nor any of my relatives
have found any others by that name.  Any help would be appreciated.
From: pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Archival albums
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:54:31 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation

Does anyone know of a family album like the kind you see everywhere
but won't ruin photos and old letters?  By album, I don't want
photographic sleeves and acid-free paper, or little corners to
mount things.  In other words, NOT the kind of thing found in
catalogs such as "Light Impressions."

I want a peel-back clear cover over the "gummy" paper that holds
things in place--standard album stuff.  I've recently seen in a
card store an album that claims the plastic has no CVC in it--
is this what I want?

The reason I want this type of album is because it's easy to
use for the many sizes of paper of have (many of which are fortune
cookie fortune size -- can't see using sleeves or mounting corners
on these scraps of paper).

Many thanks --

Pat
-- 

	Patricia Boren
	pboren@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: larry@unislc.uucp (Lawrence Barney)
Subject: Re: Last name Brasfield
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Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:42:29 GMT

NLJ6186@VENUS.TAMU.EDU (Nicole James 203) writes:
: Dear Subscribers,
:    I need your help.  My mother's maiden name is Brasfield and I am trying
: to find some other Brasfields.  The only ones that I am aware of are those
: here in the Texas area.  The last I heard, there were supposed to be some
: Brasfields in North Carolina, Virginia, Illinois(Chicago), and Arkansas.
: The name might also be spelled Brassfield.  Also looking for information on
: Elvy James or Boyd James.
:    If you have any information, my address is:NLJ6186@tamvenus(Bitnet)or
: NLJ6186@venus.tamu.edu.
: 
: Thanks.

From the Salt Lake City, UTAH Metropolitan Phonebook I found the following:
  BRASSFIELD, Kevin & Linda
    2334 W PAULINE WAY, West Jordan, UT 84088   (801) 566-4279

That was the only one and do listing for BRASFIELD.

Hope this helps.

Larry Barney
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:14:47 CDT
Reply-To:     Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      GENEALOG: New File, cpafugf
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NoDak.EDU

get genealog cpafugf		CPAFUG Files abt Genealogy

This 44478 byte ASCII file is available now on GENEALOG.

Contains : A listing of Genealogical Files available from the CPAFUG BBS
in Washington, DC, Sysop Barbara Bennett.
This listing was captured by Cliff Manis on 26 Jul 1992, and
has some 750 files listed which are available from the CPAFUG BBS
for those wanting to download them.  This is a ASCII file


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get family index    Index of the FAMILY (Surnames) Directory

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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Searching for BEESON
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:37:38 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Jul28.195255.278@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>I'm looking for information on BEESON from Henry Co, Indiana.  Any
>help will be appreciated.  Isaac BEESON, etc.
>

Melvyl (in cooperation with the University of California) is pleased to
present you with an Isaac Beeson...

Author: Beeson, Thomas, 1835-
Title:  Beeson family genealogy. 1877.
Description:    1 v. (12 p.) ; 16 cm.

Notes:  Holograph.
On cover: Beeson, 1914, HBP.
Family genealogical records for the Isaac H.
Beeson/Rebecca Beeson family written by their son,
Thomas.

Subjects:       Beeson family.
Manuscripts.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro CS71.B4423 1877 Non Circ
Note:   Gift of James Abajian.


Title:  History of Henry County, Indiana : together
with sketches of its cities, villages and towns,
educational, religious, civil, military, and political
history, portraits of prominent persons, and
biographies of representative citizens : also a
condensed history of Indiana, embodying accounts of
pre-historic races, aborigines, Winnebago and Black
Hawk wars, and a brief review of its civil and
political history. Chicago : Inter-State Pub. Co.,
1884.
Description:    912 p., [33] leaves of plates : ill., map, ports.

Notes:  "Illustrated."
Includes indexes.
Microfilm. Tucson, Ariz. : American Unlimited, 1977. 1 microfilm
Subjects:       Henry Co., Ind -- History.
Henry Co., Ind -- Biography.

Other entries: Inter-state Publishing Company (Chicago, Ill.)

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FILM 71 Reel 15 Book 59

Title:  Biographical memoirs of Henry County, Indiana : to which is
appended a comprehensive compendium of national
biography ... Embellished with portraits of many
national characters and well known residents of Henry
County, Indiana. Logansport, Ind. : B. F. Bowen & Co.,
1902.
Description:    723 p. : ports. ;

Notes:  Microfilm. New Haven, Conn. : Research
Publications, 1973. 35 mm. (County histories of the Old
Northwest, Series III: Indiana ; reel 12, book 48)

Subjects:       Henry Co., Ind -- Biography.
United States -- History.

Other entries: B. F. Bowen & Co.
County histories of the Old Northwest, Series III:
Indiana ; reel 12, book 48.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FILM 277 Reel 12 Book 48

--------

Hope he is the right one... or part of the line...

Tom
From: LINDA@UCSFVM.BITNET (Linda Erkelens)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Also want ship information
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:53:26 GMT
Reply-To: Linda Erkelens <LINDA@UCSFVM.BITNET>
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Like Cliff I would appreciate the smallest bit of information on the
two ships.
  "Neptune" came to America in 1754 probably Philadelphia
  "Polly"   came to America in 1765 probably Philadelphia

Thanks
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: jk1@pyuxd.uucp (Kudolo)
Subject: COKER search
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:12:15 GMT

I haven't been successful reaching Sophia Brown by email, so ...

I am researching Cokers; African-American Cokers that I have traced to
Union Township, Marion County, Arkansas. I'm tring to find out how they
got there, how long they lived there, etc. Census records list hundreds
of Cokers in Arkansas. I have found my great-grandfather, George William
Coker, and his family.

Sophia, anything you have on the Cokers (ethnicity irrelevant) would be of
interest to me. Let's communicate.

Joyce Coker Kudolo
P.O. Box 1085
Piscataway, NJ 08855
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From: klf@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (karen.l.fenton)
Subject: Re: Descendants' Organizations
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:33:10 GMT

In article <ROOTS-L%92073014311917@VM1.NODAK.EDU>,         Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU> writes:
> Several postings have inquired about various descendants' organizations--
> DAR, UDC, Mayflower Society, etc. I've never been interested in such
> organizations myself, since most espouse far right politics I find
> distasteful. And I remember vividly the national DAR refusing to let
> Mariam Anderson sing in their hall because of her race, just as I
> remember my mother being asked to leave her local chapter because
> she suggested that UNICEF's efforts to innoculate Third World
> children probably wasn't a communist plot.

I believe this is no longer true. Some of these things happened
because the members at the time were typical of their period.

The Marian Anderson episode happened about 50 years ago, on the cusp
of change. Most DAR members I know feel that it was disgraceful and
the organization today is very different. I've spoken with people who 
actively research the african-american soldiers who fought
in the Revolution. I've seen minority students supported and awarded
by local chapters for their achievements.

The organization is different today because people are different.
Joe McCarthy's vendetta is as dead as he is, so your mother's
clear thinking would no longer set her so far apart from the 
organizational mainstream.
Discounting the whole organization based on dead prejudices is 
really an extension of the attitude you decry.

Please don't cut yourself off from a valuable resource because
of a false assumption.

Karen
From: lianne@beach.csulb.edu (Lianne Hoskins)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: I'll look it up for you
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:10:10 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach


  I'll be going to use the PhoneDisc this weekend, so . . .

  If you're looking for someone who might still be living
  and he/she has a slightly unique name or you know the
  state/city, I'll be happy to look it up for you.

  You've got 24 hours to think about it, I'll check my mail
  Friday evening.

  `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
    Lianne Hoskins -- lianne@beach.csulb.edu

    HOSKINS(ON)  CUTSINGER  BRENT      LAMB          SNEPP
    C/KLAUSER    HOLDORF    SIEGWARDT  SCHLOTTHAUER  QUICK
    THOMAS       AMBERG     NEIBLE     OAKS          SHAAK
    DUPREE       DRAGOO     MUDD       HILLABOLD     EVANS

  '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:36:08 -0400
Reply-To:     ab917@yfn.ysu.edu
From:         Jerry Tomko <ab917@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Subject:      Death Certificates
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I sent for my states VITAL file, and they gave me detailed information
on how to obtain birth and death certificates through the state
historical society.  I'm sure that will take some time since
several mail correspondences are required before the information is received.
This is because I do not live near a major state historical society.

I'd like to know if it is possible to get this information from the
appropriate county court directly.  I assume it is.  Has anyone tried
this?

--
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Farnham, Palmyra, New york
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:09:44 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1992Jul29.203744.1388@stortek.com> v045100@otis1.UUCP (Jennifer Farnham) writes:
>
>
>Okay, i'm a bit lazy and have not had a lot
>of time to devote to researching properly...
>
>Louis Southwick Farnham, born in Palmyra New York,
>most likely in late 1800s is the son of who?
>
>Find me the previous 3 generations of Farnhams,
>just the men's names and i'll send you a t-shirt/
>sweatshirt from Colorado or whatever.
>

Author: Farnham, Levi L. (Levi Llewellyn), b. 1851.
Title:  Genealogy of the Farnham family, 1603-1926
/ compiled and published by Levi L. Farnham.
[Elbridge, N.Y.? : L.L.
Farnham], 1926 (Syracuse, N.Y. : Lewis A. Farnham)
Description:    107, [11] p., [1] leaf of plates : port.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G2062.

Doc Numbers:    Stock No.:
CL0086000010 University Microfilms International

Notes:  Corrections and additions : p. 86.
Includes index.
Blank pages for "additional records" ([11] at end)
Microfiche. Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms
International. 1986. 2 microfiches ; 11 x 15 cm.


Here they are (in all likelihood)

Last one in is a rotten egg!

     The proof, of course, is left to the student..

 p q
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 /|\   TOM LINCOLN  lincoln@rand.org
 \|/  "Life is short, art is long, opportunity fugitive,
 /|\   experimenting dangerous, reasoning difficult."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:54:04 EDT
From: <MXP11@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Brazil & Portugal

Does anybody know if there are any sites from where I can get genealogical
information for people from Brazil and Portugal ? Thanks for any hint.

                                           M. Carvalho
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:56:15 CDT
Reply-To:     Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
From:         Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: scanners
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NODAK.EDU

>Can anyone tell me if they are currently using a scanner for the purpose
>of recording old pictures in conjunction with any kind of database programs
>for genealogy?  I have a genealogy software program which I purchased years
>ago (Family Tree) and I really don't care much for it now.  I have been
>considering PAF.  Is it easliy able to be used by adding the scanner pictures
>to it?  Also, while I am at it, is there any one scanner that is better
>for this purpose?  I would appreciate any help at all.  Thanks.
**********************************************************

Brothers Keeper (since rel 50B) has the ability to store and display
(not print) graphic images.  I am E-mailing the portion of the readme
file that covers this topic directly to Sally.  If anyone else is
interested E-mail me personally and I will send it.



Ed


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usr9223a@tso.us.edu

Researching: MERTES DREILING RAWE STUMP/STUMPS/STUMPF JACCOD GIRARD GRAF
             DEPAUL/DIPAULO REINACHER PLOESSER/PLAZIER CANTER
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From: v045100@otis1.stortek.com (Jennifer Farnham)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: FARNHAM article from Newspaper
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:27:13 GMT
Reply-To: v045100@otis1.UUCP (Jennifer Farnham)
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.


  Thank-you to the person who sent me the
article from the Newspaper regarding the Town
of Farnham. I received it yesterday in the mail.
I do not have the envelope here with me at work
so I didn't have your name directly in front of me
to say Thank-you personally.

so:

   THANK YOU!

Jennifer Farnham
Boulder , Colorado
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:54:23 -0400
Reply-To:     Robert Thomin <durango@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         Robert Thomin <durango@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      willsey research.
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.EDU

hello from hamilton,ohio
iam am lokking for information about the parents of henry willsey,jr
who was born oct.7,1777,in albany,new york.
his father was henry willsey and his mother was margaret dempsey.they
moved to ohio in about 1820,and lived in hamilton county,ohio. they are
buried in the colerain township historica cemetery,hamilton county,ohio.
also if anyone has information about margaret dempsey i sure would
appreciate it also.
the names that i am researching for more inforamtion:::
thomin-follenuis or follenuit-ziegler-slingsby-mills-zehner-bristle
humphrey-dempsey.
thanks for everyone that has sent me information especially from
france.
memories -good or bad-last forever
robert thomin
e-mail: durango@tso.uc.edu
From: margaret@nextofkin.ucs.sfu.ca (Margaret Sharon)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: WITHERSPOON family
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:11:43 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Anyone out there interested in the WITHERSPOON family?  I found this in a  
recent genealogical newsletter: 

Witherspoon Family Reunion Association

The Witherspoon Family Reunion Association is located in Grand Prairie, Texas.   
This association has been gathering genealogy information on the Witherspoon  
family for a period of almost 200 years. Originally it was begun by Robert  
Witherspoon in 1780 and continued by his son, Dr. John Ramsey Witherspoon in  
1840. The work has continued through our association and covers the period of  
1400 through 1991.

We would like to share the information with Witherspoons across the country.  
Those wishing to correspond with us can write to the address below for phone us  
at 214-264-5220 or fax 214-264-5118.

The annual reunion is held on the third Sunday in July each year in Grand  
Prairie, Texas. 

For more information contact Claude F. Witherspoon, Witherspoon Family Reunion  
Association, 402 Campo Drive, Grand Prairie, Texas 75051-4908.

[Source: Seattle Genealogical Society Bulletin, vol. 41 no. 3, Spring '92, p.  
156]

--
Margaret M. Sharon, Academic Computing Services      margaret@sfu.ca
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby BC Canada V5A 1S6   604-291-4633
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:50:35 EST
Reply-To:     Thomas Kruse <KRUSE@IPFWVM.BITNET>
From:         Thomas Kruse <KRUSE@IPFWVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Abbreviation USV as branch of military?

    This past weekend I came across a beautiful old print in an
antique shop that pictured a soldier in a navy blue uniform and
several members of his family perhaps having a "welcome home"
chat it appeared.  On the high collar of his uniform were the
letters:  USV.  Does anyone have any idea what they stand for?
    Picture was at latest WWI era and may have been a Spanish
American War or Civil War protrayal.   Thanks for your help.
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Family Records of Sole Survivor
Keywords: family geneology, last survivor
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:50:45 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Jul28.233822.25471@ms.uky.edu> paul@ms.uky.edu (Paul Eakin) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I am a new reader of this group and unfortunately don't
>know if this querry has been answered many times before.
>The question is this:
>
>An elderly friend of mine is the last survivor of her
>family. Her late husband was the last of his. Apparently
>she has extensive geneological records of both and has
>no logical place to leave them. She would like to
>contribute them to a geneological archive where they
>might be of value to others in lines that continue.
>
>I would greatly appreciate any information on the
>proper disposition of such archives which might assist her.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>				Paul Eakin
>-- 
>
>Paul M. Eakin ---- paul@ms.uky.edu, {uunet,rutgers}!ukma!paul, paul@ukma.BITNET
>---- Dept. of Math., University of Kentucky, Lexington KY 40506
>---- (606)257-6798 (office), (606)276-1048 (home)

Perhaps there are Gen. Soc. that will accept such legations.
Also, in Quebec national archives (equivalent to KY state archives),
I found such a legs.  Fonds Andre Beauregard was formed by 18 boxes
with a lot of genealogical (and some personal) objects.  Thanks to
that stuff, I was able to establish my line from 14th to 18th generation.

Maybe the best to have it in a printed form, or at least with some
books-like presentation.

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  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
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