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From: gel212@gel.ulaval.ca (gif19268 Systemes numeriques avances)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: What's the deal about LINUX?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:01:21 GMT
Organization: Universite Laval

Has anybody read the comp.os.linux conference? This newsgroup is WILD.
Those people are very excited about this free UNIX clone. Some talk
about the possibility of LINUX being ported to the Amiga. The PC version
seems to be quite advanced and performant and not as memory-hungry as most
UNIX clones are.

Can someone mail me more info?

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:28:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Just as a possible theory, yes, you'd be right, a very large part of
the reason GigaMem _DOES_ work on the Amiga is due to the way the OS
is set up, theoretically (I obviously didn't program it).

By using a "VM" task/process and traps/exceptions, and then filling in
tc_Switch/tc_Launch to point to procedures within that "VM" task which
would set context information, one decides which programs make use of
VM, and which don't.

As a theory.  I'm pretty sure that's how it works, anyways.

Greg

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From: sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon)
Subject: Re: amiga a1200.....
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:46:21 GMT

In <1993Jan24.4477.38392@dosgate> "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
>First, Commodore has just released the A1200! Have you ever seen them dump 
>a computer so fast! It's doesn't go with their pattern. They take years to 
>release computers but they don't take months to scrap them.

 Have I ever seen Commodore dump a computer so fast?

 Yes, or don't you remember the old C-16/Plus4!

 Sheesh, these youngin's...
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Subject: Re: Slashes, dots, and quotes (was Re: Move)
From: nate@tucana.ualr.edu (Nathan Spillers)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:33:21 -0600
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy) writes:
: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:
: 
: >Heikki T. Suopanki (suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi) wrote:
: 
: >: Eh? Unix do not have separate "drives", everything is mounted under one root.
: 
: >Right, and thus, you don't have to change from drive to drive...
: 
: BZZZZT!  Unix partitions on a particular volume are mounted like that -- not
: partitions from multiple volumes.  To cross the volume boundary you still 
: need to specify its name, then you can work down it from the "/" directory.

Sorry, hadda jump in here :-)

Whaa?  What are you talking about here?  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding
you, but Unix combines all partitions or volumes into one continuous
directory hierarchy (to the user).  So when the user issues a cd
/usr/local/games, it goes to where those files are, regardless of what
volume/drive/storage device those files actually "live" on.

I've had unix systems scattered over 3-4 drives, living in various
partitions on each drive (for instance, my root was mounted as the 3rd
partition of the 1st drive, /usr/bin was mounted as the 4th partition of
the 2nd drive, and the /usr/users/ directory was mounted on the entire
3rd drive).  Plus a mounted "shared" partition on another machine that I
could transparently cd to via ethernet (cd /machines/tycho/shared) --
granted doing that isn't probably what you would consider pertaining to
what you are speaking of above, but it is *still* possible!

check out your /etc/fstab file sometime :-)

What did you mean by your post?  Was I just falling prey to a
communication problem here, or did you mean something other than what I'm
talking about?

nate 

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:29:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <C18DK3.Jx1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>In article <jprad.727648324@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>>  Goto's are *exactly* the same thing [as chainsaws].
>
>Wow!  I think I'll go into logging, I already have the tools. . . :)

You should see what a BASIC compiler can do to a Spotted Owl. Yikes!

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From: amuser@cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:22:19 GMT

jorni@edb.tih.no (Joern G. Innset,o90a) writes:

>Commodore in Norway has more or less confermed the availability of
>an Amiga 4000 with a 68EC030, 4MB ram and an 85 MB harddisk.

Great !

>The price was the biggest shock of them all: NOK 14500,- incl. tax.

>That translates to about $1900-$2000 with an exchange rate of 
>approximately 6.5-7.

What percentage is this of the A4000/040 price ? This would give us
all a general idea of the pricing.
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:02:09 GMT
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Eyvind Bernhardsen (eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan26.162343.14030@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, carl@jordan.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:


: Gee, that's GREAT!  Maybe YOU'd like to have nuclear waste dumped in YOUR back
: yard, so all us misguided morons can be freed from our cancer and radiation-
: sickness paranoias.

Oh yeah, there's such a lot of waste too....  I read somewhere (I can't 
remember the exact source, tho I just looked in Rush's book & its not in there)
that if you took all the waste from all the plants worldwide, and put them 
on a football field, it'd make a 3ft layer.  This is all the waste from the 
last 10-20 years....


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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:04:08 GMT

In article <C1FJ0n.E07@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
writes:

>   The introduction of an '030 A4000 and an A4000T would not solve the 
>problem as I stated it above.

My point was that the problems you identify would be alleviated by having
two mid-range A4000 systems. Commonality in basic hardware configurations
and expansion options is certainly more viable than releasing an
entirely new system. Given the choice between a $1500 A4000/EC030 and a
$1000 A1200 system with an EC020, no fast RAM, no internal clock,
limited expansion capabilities, attached keyboard and a low-density
drive, I think it's safe to say that most people would opt for the
A4000.

> An A4000 with a full '030 would obviously be more expensive than an
> A4000 with the EC030, and the A4000T would be more expensive still.

That's the point. There's absolutely no reason why the product line
could not be fully rounded by releasing EC030, 030, 040 and tower
versions of the A4000. The CPU module isn't the only consideration.

> If there is a hole in Commodore's product line between the A1200 and
> the A4000 with EC030, introducing full '030 and tower models obviously
> would not fill that hole.

At this point in time however, everything is purely speculative. It's
inevitable that the price of the base A4000 system will be reduced
with the introduction of any siblings.

>Commodore basically needs to introduce a new 'A1200' with '030 and
>detached keyboard, and not more A4000s, if they want to fill that gaping
>hole in their product line.

I disagree entirely. With two new graphics subsystems on the horizon,
an A4000/EC030 would make a nice LCD which would be largely 
distinguished by its processing power. Of course, this is CBM we're
talking about here, so chances are good that neither perspective
will be given any merit :).
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:28:32 GMT
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
:
: [Andy built a BridgeBoard...]
:
: Now, can you imagine (I fear not) how much know-how this takes
: and finally produces?
:

Yes, it's an impressive effort, that no doubt MANY people worked on.

:
: Why on earth do *you* sit on such a "High Horse"
: and try to tell dozens of people who obviously know what they talk about
: that they are wrong and only Jerry S is in the Ultimate Knowledge???
:

First of all, what dozens of people?  Second, I don't claim ultimate
knowledge, and I don't expect others to do so.  Nobody is an expert in
everything, Peter.  Just because Andy worked on some part of the BridgeBoard
project, doesn't mean that he is an expert on the internals of Windows or
OS/2.

:
: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP 
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:48:09 GMT

John W. Linville (linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan22.150708.26344@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> >I would ot like to see beta versions as being freely distributable -
> >they just give more problems than they solve. A friend of mine just
> >tried to install this OS/2 2.1 today - he tried everyhtinng he cound
> >and wasted several hours and finally got into point in where the OS
> >almost booted... almost because the system decided to lock up pretty
> >nicely. (and no, he is no beginner with computers, PC's or OS/2 2.x.)
> 
> Well, your friend either has a strange setup, or (s)he is just an idiot.  The
> 2.1 beta installed for me (on several machines) with no problems at all.

Of course you think that all IBM software is bullet proof, no matter
how beta they ate, right? My fiend is definately not an idiot (you
seem to be more like one as you claim him to be one w/o even knowing
him), nor is his setup strange at all.

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:01:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.180342.27475W@viper.edb.tih.no> jorni@edb.tih.no writes:

>Commodore in Norway has more or less confirmed the availability of
>an Amiga 4000 with a 68EC030, 4MB ram and an 85 MB harddisk.
>The price was the biggest shock of them all: NOK 14500,- incl. tax.
>That translates to about $1900-$2000 with an exchange rate of 
>approximately 6.5-7.

Not bad at all. Is the NOK price MSRP or retail?

>Release (in Norway): Febr. 15th.

Sounds like it's in line with CBM plans, at least according to comments
made by Lew Eggebrecht. No word on an A4000/30 or A4000T?

>And - Commodore more or less promised secure dates of delivery, something
>that CBM Norway hasn't been able to do for some time now.
>After February 15th, it'll take a max of 1 day to get the machine
>(any machine) from CBM to the dealer.

Good stuff.
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Subject: AGA or RTG?
From: CSC9241727H@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (KOUKOULAS,Steven)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:33:54 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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Here's the problem.

	I've own and A3000 for a year now and, well, i'm interested in buying
	or upgrading to AGA capabilities. I spent AUS$3890 on my system with
	multisync and xtra ram. Now, my point is, if i sell it now for an
	A4000, i'll loose less than half my money which I don't want to do.

	My point, Is there going to be an AGA board for the 3000?
	Answers i am looking foor:

		Yes, No or It's being discussed.

	So i know to keep my A3000 and wait. I CAN wait.

	My next point, what RTG stand for?, what is it for? and is it just hype?


	All sensible replies most welcome, thanx...


Steve...
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From: ronnie@lysator.liu.se (Ronnie Sahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:54:04 GMT
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University

joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.165721.25897@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Even with the S3 cards, the high performance is usually limited to Windows apps,
>not DOS, OS/2 or Unix, because the cards are designed to trap out specific
                  ^^^^
>Windows API calls.
Not true. I know of 486 machines that performs more than 120.000 Xstones with a
fast S3 card.
(under XWindows, which most certainly implies unix).
There is very few Xstations that will perform more Xstones than this, no matter
how much money you spend on the machine.
So, S3 cards are very fast even if not running Windows applications.


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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:32:22 GMT
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Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
:
: Can you fix the retard-slash in DOS with a replacement shell?
:

Yes.  PolyShell does just this.

BTW, if 15 million people use the slash and 100 million people use the
backslash, isn't the slash the one that's retarted?  [Ducking]  :-)

:
: >#ifdef SARCASM
: >Let's see now.  UNIX and AmigaOS use "/" for the directory separator, but DOS
: >uses "\", so DOS is braindead.  On the other hand, UNIX and DOS use ".." for
: >the parent directory, but AmigaOS uses "/", so AmigaOS is braindead.  On the
: >third hand, the command for renaming files is "rename" on both AmigaOS and
: >DOS, but "mv" on UNIX, so UNIX is braindead.
: >#endif
:
: But the DOS rename command is retarded, the Amiga's is not.
:

The DOS rename command is a COMMAND.COM built-in.  Install the 4DOS shareware
replacement shell, and your DOS system magically ups its IQ.

:
: Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
:
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:07:40 GMT

Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:

> For example, what are the cost and price difference between an A4000/040 and an
> A4000/EC030?  The cost difference would not be more than $150 or so (cost of

040 costs at least $300 more than EC030. Also EC030 model probably has
less memory (2+2 megs) than 040 model.

> marketing reasons: to fill the $1500 gap in the product line that I

What $1500 gap?

A1200 -		$599 or $699?
	< this is the gap you want to fill >
A4000-030EC - 	$1500-$1800?

Even 1800-599 is less than 1500...

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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:43:01 GMT

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
>: :
>: : The Amiga buffs seem to believe that their pre-emptive
>: : multitasking is more important than Windows' VM or DIG, and that's just not
>: : right.
>:
>: Isn't it?  Are you sure?
>:
>
>I'm positive.  (Anyone else see "My Cousin Vinny"?)

I don't know; isn't it the pre-emptive multitasking that allows VM to be
used under AmigaDOS?

-- Gerald
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From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: A4000 vs 486 ?
Organization: His Own Place
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:50:43 GMT

Philip McDunnough wrote:

[stuff deleted]

>People are going off the deep end in this group. I use Mac's a lot, as well
>as other computers. I don't "detest" Windows and since when have all the
>Knuth's of the world surfaced in this group to call the Mac and Windows'
>desktop metaphors "stupid".

Ok, I'll switch my glossary-file. I think Windows and the MAC GUI are
very poor compared to Intuition. And now I'm speaking as a user.

"..since when have all the.. ..to call the Mac and Windows' desktop metaphors "stupid.. "

Since the day MS released Windows and Apple started to pester the world with
their sad excuse for a GUI. You're not saying that they are smart are you ?

>Also the word "hate" is simply inappropriate.
>The only effect messages like these is  having is in  conveying
>the impression of Amiga users as a bunch of immature brats.

So what's the appropriate word, dislike ?  Feeling better now, hmm ?

If there are people out there stupid enough to judge Amiga-users
by what they think of various GUI:s then I really feel sad about THEM.

>It might be a good idea for those people who want to see the Amiga thrive in
>homes to give families a good reason for owning one. I can't think of one.

I certainly can think of one,it's useful to know the absolute basics of computing,
as computers are the most flexible of todays tools. "educational software" isn't everything.

Oh, and you really get to see what really happens when you use a MAC, eh ?

If I had got a MAC instead of an Amiga, then I'd probably know absolutely nothing about disks,
now if you have an Amiga and insert a non-AmigaDOS disk you get a funny
message saying "..checksumm error.." and various others.

Makes you wanna know what it really means, doesn't it ?

It's nothing like the MAC "Keep user safe and stupid"-policy,
"bogus disk inserted, do you want to format etc".
You could as well buy your kid a stupid console, what a sad kid that would be.


"I think therefor I Amiga"    -says it all, and the reversed is most true.

Seriously, your article says nothing.

/Mattias

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