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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?y
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:24:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> 
> >And to spoil their fun further, analysis of the moon crater Tycho's strata
> >(lines of ejected lunar material) shows its estimated impact date to
> coincide
> >with the monk's sighting.  This was described in _Cosmos_, which BTW also
> >contains a pretty good argument about the lack of good proof of actual alien
> >visitations.  You'd think just ONE of these zillions of "crashed spaceships"
> >might have produced one, ONE, just ONE inexplicable artifact or fragment.
> So
> >far, nada.
> Has  A COVERUP BY GOV'T EVER OCCURED TO YOU?????????
> 
> I don't mean to be rude, but the gov't has been known to clear up all signs
> of anything they don't want known. So lack of evidence is not a totally sound
> argume
> nt because the possibility of cover-up is still there.


Oh of course.  When there is a lack of evidence there must be a cover-up.  I
guess the reason that nobody believes in fairies and elves and gnomes anymore
is because governments covered them up so well.

Governments come and go.  It's called democracy.  Now how could all these
governments, who disagree violently with one another, all miraculously be in
100% agreement ALL THE TIME and cover everything up with 100% efficiency?  I
tell you, if it weren't for these aliens there would be no harmony in this
world.

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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug17.210129.14637@acd4.acd.com>, gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
|> In article <BsvL27.1AJ@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
|> >
|> >   Also remember that some "abduction victims" claim that it is a
|> >   repeated or regular occurence or that it's still happening to
|> >   them.  It would not be that hard to rig up their house to record
|> >   events in it.  Turn on a videotape loop every night before going
|> >   to bed.  Maybe prepare the ground outside to mark footprints.
|> >   Set up automatic video or camera equipment around the house 
|> >   to record people (beings, whatever) going in and out.  Et cetera.
|> >   Use a little imagination.
|> >
|> >
|> >---peter
|> >                                                                 
|> >   
|> > 
|> 
|> This is what gets me about this whole abduction thingy. I will restate the 
|> fact that I am middle ground on this. I believe that the abduction are
|> happening but don't know what is causing them. It just kills me though in
|> some of the non-hypnotically induced recollections of Kathy Davis
|> (the central figure in Budd Hopkins' book INTRUDERS) she was called every
|> wednesday by something, somebody or someone that would "gab" for quite some
|> time in some strange "tounge" and then hang up. This happened the entire
|> time she was carrying her first child, >27 times.
|> (Forgot to mention, the call would be made at 3:00 in the afternoon each time) 
|> A couple times she wasn't home and her mother would answer and hear it. 
|> One ofher friends heard it. This happened in the middle of a bunch of 
|> other claimed abduction incidents.
|> 
|> Now, pardon me, but if somebody calls me every week for 9 months on the same
|> day at the same time, the third of fourth time is gonna go on tape! Just 
|> drives me crazy to read that part of the book. I figure there are a couple
|> explanations for the lack of a recording:
|> 
|> 1) Kathy just never really thought of it. Some people live life without
|>    a reaction to anything or anybody. 
|> 
|> 2) Its a possibility "the aliens" programmed her not to record the stuff.
|>    According to INTRUDERS abductees are pretty much controlled by the 
|>    abductors.
|> 
|> 3) It could all be a sham and never happened. Thats why recordings were never
|>    mentioned.
|> 
|> 
|>  One common thing I see is the "wet noodle" approach these abductees tend to
|>  have toward life and living. Could be the "aliens", if they exist, choose 
|>  these type of people so it is easier to control them. Sorry, I can't live
|>  like that. Could be too that all this abduction stuff is fake and the 
|>  "wet noodle" approach is an easy way to avoid substantiating the claim.
|> 
|> Gregg.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:36:24 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Gary: Another person that people like to call me is Mutlu (a person
who has a lot to say about politics of the Armenians and Turks. Gary in
my opinion you should have them make a movie of all of this. I can't say
that I believe it all. It may be true and it may be just what you imagine
but I think it would sell about like Friday the 13th.
John Winston.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:31:29 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug9.022331.9288@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>
>Who said anything about flying around the world?
>
Let us rephrase...  How do you explain the crop circles in the US, Canada,
Mexico, and Australia?  And others, as far as I know...

Other humans?  Prove they were all made by humans.  Don't just assume.

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.po
From: ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Ted Powell)
Subject: Re: guns and criminals
Followup-To: poster
Summary: "Followup-To" advocacy
Organization: Entropy Limited, Vancouver Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:40:58 GMT

In article <5RiePB4w164w@incam.new-orleans.la.us> rj@incam.new-orleans.la.us (Ray Jones) writes:
>[...]
>When you reply to this message, how about NOT CROSS-POSTING to the
>"alt.alien.visitors" newsgroup?  I am sure many of you have different
>software, but I am sure [...etc, etc...]

I note that you have posted more than one article in this vein.

How about doing _your_ part by adding a Followup-To: line, specifying the
newsgroups you consider appropriate, to your article headers? All that
should be required of your software is the ability to add an arbitrary line
to the header before you post your article. (My software includes such a
line automatically, and you'll note that I have specified _no_ newsgroups,
inasmuch as any responses to this article are unlikely to have much to do
with anything on the Newsgroups: line.)
    Inclusion of a proper Followup-To: line means that responses go where
you suggest _by default_, without requiring special action on the part of
the responder. I commend it to your attention.

-- 
ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca   {ubc-cs,uunet}!van-bc!eslvcr!ted   (Ted Powell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:27:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Dear Ra,
Since you persist in reading this group, and are starting to ask 
questions in a fairly sincere sort of manner, I will lay a few sources
of esoteric information on you. 

Crystal Skull - The Excaliber Briefings,  
Thomas E. Bearden

Venusians - Stranger at the Pentagon - Dr. Frank stranges
            I come from Venus, - Wendle Stevens, Col.(ret.)

These are the best sources for this info I have found to date.

Col. Stenvens has written books about many different aspects of 
the UFO phenomena (>20) and corresponds with hundreds of 
contactees all across the world in such places as Peru, Chile, Brazil,
Germany, Switzerland, China, Russia, Yugoslavia, UK, S. Africa, etc.

jeff-


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: foxd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (daniel fox)
Subject: Re: K-2 Radio Transmission
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:49:28 GMT

Today I got the copy of the K-2 transmission and listened very carefully to
it.  It is definitely the work of new age musicians.  The sounds recorded have
an echo effect used all through the tape.  The same sound effects are used
at periodic intervals for long stretches of the tape.  There is little to 
indicate a high information content, but a lot to indicate music.  Maybe it's
alien new age musicians.

                                             Daniel B. Fox
                                             KF9ET
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Re: Centrifugal force (was Re: Ley Lines)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:34:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug12.150912.1836@HQ.Ileaf.COM> hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh) writes:
>Centrifugal force is quite real to the person in the centrifuge.  
>It's only the
>fellow standing on the outside who keeps saying that it's really only inertia,
>and not a force at all.  It all depends on your frame of reference.
>
I hate to take the chance of getting into a discussion of noninertial
reference frames (because I despise them) but:

No it doesn't,  the person in the centrifuge interprets his interia trying
to make him go in a straight line as a force pushing down on him.  The 
_ONLY_ force in operation here is the centripetal force pushing you in the
direction of the center of the centrifuge.  You might as well say
that the reason we feel our weight increase when an elevator starts up is
because of the Pleidians shining a graviton beam down the elevator shaft.

BTW, Thad, centripetal forces don't cause tides either. ;-)

>What planet do YOU live on?
>
That's my secret!  But I'll tell you straight away that it isn't one
of the semimolten ones that may be orbiting one of the members of
the _very_ young Pleides star cluster. 

Ithlial

My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash 
is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash 
stuff, then, when some comes up, act like they just woke up and go, 
"What, was THAT?!"
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:39:01 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <64247@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
[...]
>          3.   Dr. Frank Stranges ( he works with  Valiant Thor
>               from Venus).

'Valiant Thor from Venus'?  C'mon John - this is just plain silly.

>          5.   Joan Parks with Max the  crystal skull.  

'Max the crystal skull' - I'm guessing this is the infamous Million-Year-Old 
Crystal Skull or however old it's supposed to be.  I'm sure I remember an 
article in SI about this - pointers to it, anyone?  And perhaps a summary?

	RA
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From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:50:11 GMT
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	<1992Aug6.143155.25460@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
	<1992Aug6.192350.27305@clpd.kodak.com>
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company

In article <1992Aug6.192350.27305@clpd.kodak.com> fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613)) writes:
   In article <1992Aug6.143155.25460@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
   >In article <8B91oB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> garys@bluemoon.rn.com (Gary Stollman) writes:
   [gun comments from Gary's clone]
   >In waht way are Canadians Germans UKers and Frenchman less "free"
   >than americans.

   To start with, they are not free to carry guns.

Nor are we free to drive down the freeway in the wrong direction.
It's all the matter of what is percieved as too dangerous to be allowed.

I've never felt the need to carry a gun (even though I've been in some pretty
tight spots), and I'm glad I live in a society where I don't have to.

The fact that yearly much more people in the United States get killed by
guns than in Europe of course has nothing to do with gun control, right ?
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Korresponding with Klass
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 22:31:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BtBvpA.1rC@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>
>Just out of curiosity, is Philip Klass the paranormal investigator the same
>Philip Klass who (as William Tenn) wrote some of the best science
>fiction of the fifties and sixties?  ("Child's Play", for instance.  I
>remember reading it around age eleven...)

     No.

>


-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.politics.kibo
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: Gary Stollman For President...
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 07:23:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

>[alt.alien.visitors]
>In article <92225.045414ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>
>>Gee, maybe the government or the greys took his modem away.

>Gary, if you'd like to help take back control from the government, I'm
>running for president (see alt.politics.kibo.)  Would you like to be my
>running mate?  (I asked Mike Jittlov, but he seems to be busy.  You're
>every bit as energetic, and I see energy as the prime quality necessary
>to properly confuse the media.)

>							-- Kibo

Thanks, but I am NOT sure people would have a very positive view of me...In
fact, we might need to run on an "Insanity" Platform, that is, the other guys
are MORE insane than WE are...If you feel this is ok, let me know before I
bring the present government to its knees...

	Gary

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From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: Disinformation Agents at Work?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:09:14 GMT
Keywords: UFO disinformation

In article <rb1mwy=.sheaffer@netcom.com>, sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
> In article <h7zm9v.vere@netcom.com> vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere) writes:
> >
> >readers will note the similarity in tone and content of this reply by
> >Lawrence Foard with the earlier reply by Kevin Quinn to my original post.
> 
> No, if anybody is CIA here, it *must* be me. 

No, *I'm* CIA, er MIB. No, I'm Ollie North!
Where's Gary Stollman when you need him.

*
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?y
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:30:25 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <qtgym2j@rpi.edu> morale@vccsouth19.its.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales)
writes:  

>Has A COVERUP BY GOV'T EVER OCCURED TO YOU?????????  
>I don't mean to be rude, but the gov't has been known to clear up all signs
>of anything they don't want known. So lack of evidence is not a totally
>sound argument because the possibility of cover-up is still there.  

It's curious that a government that can be so successful at hiding the
existance of aliens was totally incapable of hiding the the events
surrounding Watergate - a much simpler thing to hide. 

[Of course when you wear your paranoid glasses this paradox is simple to
explain:  You only put your full effort in hiding the REALLY important
secrets. In any case Nixon was expendable because he wouldn't approve the
export of raw human flesh for sale in the alien's version of a deli!] 



-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
From: Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:12:57 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Aug13.163641.20572@engage.pko.dec.com>
stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:

> In article <1992Aug12.112650.25645@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes...
> > 
> >>Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange formation that will get 
> >people suspicious when you could easily land in some other place that would 
> >leave no such "evidence."
> 
> Because you want to leave evidence... that's the whole point.
>                   /\
I didn't write this ||. I believe they don't care what evidence is left
as long as it does not make for bad karma by being intentional,
nonuseful destruction. 
                    
                 ||
I did write this \/.
> > 
> >If you had work to do in a place where no one could overpower or
> >influence you would you really care what kind of impression you made,
> >on the planet surface or on the inhabitants lives?
> 
> Yes... I would.

I expect that if you really do care about your affects on everything
alive as much as you imply that you have been through a lot of
different jobs and spent a lot of time out of work.If given the job to
go to carry something to the boat dock that is accross a large lawn
towards the lake  do you contemplate what you are stepping on every
step of the way? Maybe frogs, moles, earthworms, insects, plants and
who knows what else. I believe when we are at work we pay little
attention to anything outside of our work or the work does not get done
right. You say you would care about the affects of your actions but
when was the last time you said no to your boss or got so involved with
things other than the job you were given that it interfered with the
job getting done? If I am wrong let me know how to do what you do.

BTW how long have you been a vegetarian?

Rick S.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 06:14:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <63914@cup.portal.com> <625mcsm@lynx.unm.edu> <q96mjnp.jeffp@netcom.com>

Dear Thinkers: I came across a TV show last night (friday) that was 
very factual. Maybe you can catch it at a later date. It was on CBS
at 700 PM. In the TV listings from the paper it was called Doorways to 
the UnKnown and on the actual show they called it Visitors From the 
Unknown. It talked about three subjects; Crop Circles, Life after Death,
and The Real UFO story.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: K-2 Radio Transmission
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:09:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug17.213856.14830@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
>True, true, all true. However, the K-2 stuff says they used RDF to find
>the source and found in was being produced by a secret alien base. Personally
>I think it was produced with a very expensive sythesizer. Want a copy? I 
>can't find any copyright infor on the tape or memo they sent me so I 
>think I can legally send you a copy. Hmmmm...Maybe I should check with
>the Greys first. :> Contact me via e-mail if you want to hear it. 

Do they say *how* they did their supposed RDF? Do they describe the
process? 

The reason I ask is that doing direction-finding on the HF (shortwave)
band is not NEARLY as straightforward as people seem to think it
is. (Two reasons: you cannot "null out" a wave reflected off the
ionosphere in the same way you can a "direct" ground wave, AND the
signal may come from almost anywhere on the earth, which IS a sphere.
"Due east" on your flat map is NOT "due east" on the spherical earth.)
Some years ago I followed the efforts of some amateurs to DF certain
"numbers stations" (at least some of which are instructions from spy
HQs to agents "in the field"), and it was hilarious how many different
mistakes they made, and then were "sure" that they had identified the
source! (For you hams out there, the ARRL antenna book has a *few*
paragraphs describing the proper HF-RDF procedure, but since it is
so seldom done, they don't go into much detail at all.)

Assuming they didn't just make up the whole story about their supposed
DF efforts, my guess is that Phoenix' efforts were another "comedy
of errors", and that they're fooling themselves into thinking that
they know where these signals come from.



-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:17:58 GMT
Organization: Boeing

Rick (Slater):

I'm still waiting for your proof that humans created all the 
crop circles with 2x4s...

In fact, could you prove that humans created ANY of them?  Now guys,
let's have him figure out this one by himself...

Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.

Rick

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kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?y
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:38:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64094@cup.portal.com> <18AUG199213425077@apsicc.aps.edu>

Dear Moon Watchers: Another source of material about the moon is NASA
photographs. When they are looked at one can see large carters that
are being made even as the pictures are taken as the orbiter goes around
and takes each picture. What is normally seen is a large rock and dirt
moving device some one and one half miles long. These devices look like
a large stove pipe that is bent over the side of the crater and the rock
and dirt is placed outside the crater.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors