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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: Raggin' on the Flyers (Re: FLYERS notes 4/1)
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:11:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.153958.4098@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <ARBOGASTW.79@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>, ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr13.134219.12085@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

>You said, something to the effect of worrying about the Flyers
>making a go of it in a league where 16 of 22 teams make the playoffs.
>I told you they made a go of it in the past and am now telling you
>they are on the right path to make a go of it in the future.  And as
>you said, you agree with me.  If you want to discuss things, try to
>follow along.

>> >Funny, I thought the regular season was the main goal of the Caps
>> >organization.  I mean, they have done so well in the regular season the
>> >past few years, yet have nothing to show for it 
>> 
>> You just got through saying the Flyers have improved, have a dynamic young 
>> hockey team, and should be in contention for a playoff spot in hockey's 
>> toughest division for years to come.  Now you say the Caps have ALREADY done 
>> just that, and it means nothing?  "Congatulations to the Flyers on all their 
>> hard work and patience, Joe believes it means nothing."

>Do you have any idea what you said in previous postings?  Is there
>more than one person posting from your account?  It was you that said
>the regular season means nothing.  It was a desperate attempt to cover
>your butt over the fact that the Flyers won the regular season series
>from the Caps.  So, if the regular season means nothing, what do the
>Caps have to show for their existence?

Where did I say anything other than what I said in my original post about 
the regular season meaning little?  I simply pointed out the irony of you 
saying the Flyers are on course to make a go of it and be a playoff team for 
years to come and then bashing the Caps for already accomplishing what you 
envision for the Flyers.

What do the Caps have to show for their existence?  Nothing.  And I never 
said otherwise.  I did not try to cover up anything.  

When I originally posted the bait about the Flyers beating the Caps in the 
regular season and it meaning nothing, I simply wanted to show you how easy 
it is to get in a senseless argument and waste space, for which you called 
me an idiot.  Several days later, and much "wasted" space later, I have you 
in a silly argument that is starting to take up some real space.

Yes, I can follow my argument from Post to Post.  If you go back and look at 
it, I simply was pointing out that you predict success for the Flyers by 
their doing what the Caps have done already.  

I'm out.

Warren
From: mwm@hera.aps.anl.gov (Michael W. McDowell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL Season is over.
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:32:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois

>In article <17443.29e41d91@ecs.umass.edu> lyddy@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Hey, I dislocated my finger a few weeks ago playing street hockey.
>Does that make me the current top expert on the net?
>
>(My brother separated his shoulder in December after being checked into the
> boards... maybe I better defer to him....)
>
>:-)
>-- 
  I blew a knee out last session, let me know if I can help

  mike
From: obaidr@bullet.ecf (OBAID ARIF)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Penguins retain cup ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:14:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Originator: obaidr@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu

Now that the playoff's have been cancelled, does this mean that the Pens
keep the Cup ?
Or is it that the Cup will be placed in a neutral place since no one is the
Champ this year ?

Boy, is this confusing......

Arif [ scratching my head.... ]  Obaid
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Strike and Other Thoughts
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:14:23 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <Ydsmq1i00Uh7Q4uFp0@andrew.cmu.edu> jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski) writes:
>
>
>My gut feeling is that at 2:59 tomorrow afternoon, the players will say that
>they'll call off the strike and go back to work under no agreement, with a
>new agreement beeing worked on in the next few months.  A lot of the players
>are already itching to get back and are disgusted with the whole thing.
>

Yeh,I like your humor dude. The owners are itching too to get back 
...at the players. The season is over. That's the bottom line.

First, there are these still unplayed regular season games which
must determine the final playoff pairings. The players may not
care, the owners  do. It means more or less home playoffs games to
some teams which means more or less playoff money(uh,love that word).

Second, the playoffs,if they by any wild chance settle this mess
tomorrow(very unlikely), won't get underway until the early part of next week.
That presents so many problems with booking the arenas with the
NBA playoff schedule in Boston,Chicago,NY,LA,and NJ and other already
booked arena events such as concerts,shows,wrestling,and
so on.

Third, TV and radio adverisers for NHL games are taking their business
somewhere else(NBA,golf,boxing,etc) because they can't wait for
this thing to settle forever. May is the sweeps month for TV and cable
networks.

The season is over. And you know what the worst part about it is?. Nobody
in the media(US only) is covering the strike anymore. It's forgetten.
Like it never took place. Get the picture?!

-Mark.
From: helwig@niktow.canisius.edu (Bevvy Helwig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Another Trivia Quiz...
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:57:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208



The question asked what PROFESSIONAL goalie, not what NHL goalie. If it's 
professional goalies the first was Micheal Plasse {sp?} before he went to
the Washington Capitals. This was before the Caps were even in the NHL.
   I can't remember what year. I remember reading it on the back of his Topps
Hockey card the year the Cap's were added to the NHL.

-- Bevvy
BITNET: HELWIG@CANISIUS
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: BRUINS: Another winning season...
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:57:33 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <17490.29ea03c3@ecs.umass.edu> lyddy@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>I noticed with last night's tie, the Bruins have 81 points,
>making 1991-92 a guaranteed .500-plus season.  Someone in the
>know please tell me (1) how many consecutive winning seasons this
>makes for the Bruins, and (2) whether any other hockey team (or
>any other pro sports team) can match the Bruins' consecutive 
>winning season record.

First, let me throw out the disclaimer that we're talking regular season here.
So for the flame throwers out there, save your "...but how many cups..."
crap.

Since I collected all this stuff, I might as well post it. Winning seasons
are marked with *.

24-25:  6-24- 0
25-26: 17-15- 4 *
26-27: 21-20- 3 *
27-28: 20-13-11 *
28-29: 26-13- 5 *
29-30: 38- 5- 1 *
30-31: 28-10- 6 *  ...from first
31-32: 15-21-12    ...to last (in div)
32-33: 25-15- 8 *  ...to first again
33-34: 18-25- 5    ...to last again (in div)
34-35: 26-16- 6 *  ...to first again (in div)
35-36: 22-20- 6 *
36-37: 23-18- 7 *
37-38: 30-11- 1 *
38-39: 36-10- 2 *
39-40: 31-12- 5 *
40-41: 27- 8-13 *
41-42: 25-17- 6 *
42-43: 24-17- 9 *
43-44: 19-26- 5
44-45: 16-30- 4
45-46: 24-18- 8 *
46-47: 26-23-11 *
47-48: 23-24-13
48-49: 29-23- 8 *
49-50: 22-32-16
50-51: 22-30-18
51-52: 25-29-16
52-53: 28-29-13
53-54: 32-28-10 *
54-55: 23-26-21
55-56: 23-34-13
56-57: 34-24-12 *
57-58: 27-28-15
58-59: 32-29- 9 *
59-60: 28-34- 8
60-61: 15-42-13   rebuilding officially begins here, in preparation for
61-62: 15-47- 8     the streak.... 8-)
62-63: 14-39-17
63-64: 18-40-12
64-65: 21-43- 6
65-66: 21-43- 6
66-67: 17-43-10
67-68: 37-27-10 *  expansion
68-69: 42-18-16 *
69-70: 40-17-19 *
70-71: 57-14- 7 *
71-72: 54-13-11 *
72-73: 51-22- 5 *

Unfortunately, that is where the book ended (that's how old it was). I'm 99%
sure that they've had a winning season ever since, which would make the total
at 25 consecutive seasons. I'm 90% sure that no other NHL team can match that.
I'm 70% sure that no pro team (out of NBA, NFL, and MLB) can match that.

This "award" may be the only one the Bruins earn this year.

Tom
From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Wirtz on a rampage?
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:09:46 GMT
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Well, we all knew that Bill Wirtz came out a loser in the struggle between
the moderate owners and the hard-line owners.  But, I didn't know that Wirtz
would take it this far.  I mean, being mad is one thing, but removing his
finger from the dyke that kept the Chicago River from flooding Loop businesses
is another thing......    8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

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    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
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From: horvath@cs.wisc.edu (Jeff Horvath)
Subject: Peter Ciavaglia
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:26:58 GMT

Anybody think he'll be able to crack the Sabres' lineup next fall?

Do the Sabres need/want three high-scoring centers?  Would he replace Ruuttu
or whoever on the third or fourth line?  Might he get moved to wing on the
Hawerchuk/Audette line?

This is all assuming there will BE a next fall as far as the NHL goes...


-- 
===============================================================================
Jeff Horvath					UW-Madison
horvath@cs.wisc.edu				Dept. of Computer Science

	"It's a great day for hockey." - Badger Bob
===============================================================================
From: cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:44:49 GMT
Subject: NHL Standard Contract
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey


In case you are interested,  here is the clause in the standard NHL
contract which makes the owners believe that the profits from hockey
cards are theirs.


	"The player irrevocably grants to the club... the exclusive
	 right to permit or authorize (anyone) to take and make use
	 of any still photograph... and agrees all rights in such
	 pictures... shall belong to the club exclusively and may be
	 used, reproduced distributed... in any manner it desires"

I found this in the April 3 edition of the San Jose Mercury News.  They
also reported that despite of the contract clause the owners have for
the past 21 years split the profits with the players (last year $11
million was given to the NHLPA and the owners kept $5 million).


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From: parker@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Jim Parker)
Subject: Re: STRIKE OVER!!!?
Organization: U. of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 05:06:41 GMT


Recent local news has indicated that the players have agreed to a 1 year
deal, which would allow hockey to continue!!

The owners agree, the players' association is recommending acceptance,
and games could begin as early as Sunday - the claim is that the Jets
and the Flames will play in the Saddledome Sunday at 6:00 PM MDT.

J Parker
(Calgary Flames net contact Pro Tem)
From: v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Awesome Nordique PP
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:12:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr15.151738.6812@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes...

>BTW, did anyone see that idiot who jumped into the Sabres bench?
>I'm sure he'll never do it again, after the pounding he took
>from Rob Ray.  The announcer says, "I'm being conservative here;
>I think that fan took 47 punches from Ray"

That wasn't even the entertaining part of it... if you watch the tape closely,
you can see John Muckler pick up a stick and start beating the guy with it as
well.  I'm not sure exactly what it means, but the entire bench was laughing
their collective heads off after the incident. 

Pat Burns was quoted as saying about Gord Donnelly after Sunday's game,
"If I was on the ice I would have sticked him in the face." Apparently Muckler
has no reservations about doing it from the bench!  It's the sort of thing
that gives the Sabre fan hope of avoiding another first-round embarrassment...
well, maybe not.

ESPN loves that footage, BTW...

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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:50:23 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:

> >So as to get a 2/elbowing, and not a 5/fighting like Ulf.  It worked, if I
> >recall.
> 
> True, but even you will admit that to do so is rarely strategy in this
> league.

Well, it was clearly his strategy this time.  Acton is certainly not afraid
of Ulf Samuelsson, not the way Ulf's been playing this season.

>  Rather, it is done to keep one from getting the shit kicked out
> of him.   Even though it "worked", you don't see players doing it every
> day, and somehow I doubt that Rick Tocchet will resort to your "turtling
> strategy" any time soon.

MY "turtling strategy"?  You haven't seen this before?

I don't know what to say, Rick.  Watch some hockey games.

> >That "other verbiage" you chose to ignore, rather than respond to, was a
> >series of clear and irrefutable examples demonstrating why your "All Flyers
> >fans have no right to complain about violence" theory is about as 
> >intelligent and logical as locking up all blacks because Willie Horton 
> >committed a crime.
> 
> Gee whiz, if you say so.  And here I thought I was sparing you the
> embarrassment of having me whittle it apart.

If you could have done so, you would have.  This is clear to everyone who
followed this thread.  Your utter failure to justify your remark serves
nicely as admission that you were completely wrong.

Apology, please.

> >What you should do, Rick, is apologize for bad-mouthing Flyers fans with
> >your misguided generalization.  You screwed up.  Admit it, and move on.
> 
> Well, I will stop far short of that.  [petty cheap-shots deleted]

Rude remarks will not conceal your misguided insult of all Flyers fans, nor
accomplish anything else other than make you look juvenile and obnoxious 
before the whole net.  You're frantically trying to flee from the
consequences of your poor judgement, which won't work.

Apology, please.

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From: jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Strike and Other Thoughts
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:29:37 GMT
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


On 08-Apr-92 in Re: Strike and Other Thoughts
user Anna Matyas@andrew.cmu.e writes:
>I keep hearing conflicting reports about who-said-what concerning
>The Strike.  One thing I heard on the car radio this morning was
>that Penguin Prez Baldwin said if The Strike continues into next
>season he will definitely bring in replacement players.

As I heard it, Baldwin has no intention of bringing in replacement players.
He just said it with a touch of sarcasm and frustration.  Baldwin and Norm
Green have been the opposite of Bill Wirtz in this whole process, and they
have wanted a reasonable settlement all along.

My gut feeling is that at 2:59 tomorrow afternoon, the players will say that
they'll call off the strike and go back to work under no agreement, with a
new agreement beeing worked on in the next few months.  A lot of the players
are already itching to get back and are disgusted with the whole thing.

====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
    Sr. Data Base Analyst               (412) 268-2650  [office]
    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
    Carnegie Mellon University          jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu
    4910 Forbes Avenue                  Office: UCC 155
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From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Shoes! It had to be...
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:52:55 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



>In article <POPOVICH.92Apr5172050@morningside.cs.columbia.edu>
popovich@cs.colu
>mbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
>>A while back, Anna Matyas made a post about a new line of "Kevin Stevens
>>athletic shoes".  The idea was that when you put them on, you lost your
>>ability to speak English, just like Kevin in nearly every interview to
>>date.  Well, since there's nothing better to do with my time hockey-wise
>>right now, I'd like to resurrect that thread with some new lines we
>>thought up while Anna was in New York a little while back.

Hey, thanks for resurrecting the Shoe Humor, Steve!  Even in the depths
of despair I'm always up for snickering, as you well know.  But you
forgot the Tom Barrasso shoe:  Put them on and you can't keep your feet
together.

And we must have a Dino Ciccarelli shoe: put them on and your pants
fall down.

Don Koharski shoes: wear them and you crave donuts.  (Sorry, that one was
just too easy...)

And in honor of The Strike, the John Ziegler shoe: wear them during
the playoffs (what playoffs?!) and you mysteriously disappear.

Seriously (tough, I know!), they announced at the last game I attended
(which was the last game played here) that Kevin's shoes are not yet
available for purchase.  Someone in this group actually ASKED me about
that -- guess he wants to buy 'em.  Kevin's probably off somewhere
renegotiating his percentage of the sales, if he can read the contract.

Nelson, I liked yours, too.
From: fflav@chopin.udel.edu (Stephen J Kramarck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Perfect record??
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

This is not related to the topic but could someone please post the
two late games from the final evening?  A whole rotisserie league lies in the 
balance.  

Thanks in advance                     
Steve
From: IO20149@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: maine.hockey-l,rec.sport.hockey
Subject: HOBEY WINNER IS...
Date: 3 Apr 92 21:37:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System


It was just announced on a local Bangor, ME t.v. station that Scott
Pellerin is the Hobey Baker winner for 1992. His award is the biggest
award won by a U-Maine athlete, according to the local NBC affiliate
in Bangor.


-Go Black Bears, Bruins!
-WPH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:40:33 GMT


>But I'm still living in my house, and Canadians are still watching
>hockey. And they will be for a long time to come. 

Atleast until the next strike of mostly Canadian-born players who are 
envious of salaries made by baseball and basketball and football players, 
whose sports are funded in large part by American TV dollars.
Warren
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Re: Student Hockey Player Needs Help!
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 22:23:23 GMT


In a previous article, bn328@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian P. Blume) says:

>	My name is Brian Blume, currently I am a Senior at Rocky 
>     River High School, in Cleveland, Ohio.  I've been playing hockey
>     for the past 12 years and am only 17 now.  This past year my 
>     family and I moved to a city where hockey was a high school
>     sport.  Fortunately for me I was blessed with three terrific
>     coaches, Dave Janik, Joe Bechtal, and Bob Bailey (Jr.).  This
>     91-92 school year my team finished with an overall record of
>     19-6-1 winning our division title and the city championship
>     (Baron Cup).  My premier in high school hockey went well for me
>     scoring 20 goals and 15 assists in the 26 games we played.  In the

Ahh, the Rocky River Pirates.  I live in Shaker, and I am the resident
hockey (self-rpoclaimed, mind you) maven for Cleveland Hockey.  Where
did you live before?  [Did you guys beat Cleveland HEights in the Barons
cup?]

>     latter part of the season I was named male athlete of the week
>     at school, and received a special award.  I'm writing this
>     summary of myself in hopes that a Junior A or B coach might 
>     see this, or even hear about it and offer me a tryout.  I worked
>     very hard this year and feel I can be a great help to any team.
>     I'm 5'10 and weigh only 150 but am on a weight gaining program
>     and I come highly recommended with my 'lightning quick speed.'
>     If there is a scout out there or a head coach could someone please
>     contact by telephone at (216) 892-9393, or please feel free to
>     use my E-MAIL box and leave me a phone number, I'd be more than
>     happy to return a phone call.  All I'm asking for is a tryout,
>     and a shot at my dream.  Thank you very much.

Hmm, why not try out for the Cleveland Junior Barons?  They usually play
their games out in Parma Heights Greenbriar.  I know they are recruiting
players for next year.  If you leave me email I can get you some #'s
that you might want to call.

Do you know Keith Bilczo?  He lives in Rocky River, and played for the
Jr. Barons last year.  He was the leading scorer for Rocky River 3 years
in a row.
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Fat Lady Sang ... NHL over?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:57:29 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Stueven) writes:
>In article 23495@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>furthermore, Ziegler warned that that's it, totally, for the NHL
>>(implying that it will just close up shop and fold)

>And if this happens, whose fault will it be?

>I'll give you one guess...

The players, obviously.

If Ziegler told me today was Thursday, I'd go find a calendar.

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no evil, for I know that the author can't kill me off for at least another
150 pages, no matter how stupid or trite I become, or he ruins the book.