HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley)
Subject: Re: Orajel
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:37:57 GMT


>|> I thought is was interesting that when my husband talked to our pediatrian
>|> about teething he said that we shouldn't use Orajel or other "medicines" but
>|> we should wipe some scotch on his gums.  So the "guys" sit down together and
>|> have a scotch!

I have to add from personal experience:  I have been having orthodenture work
performed on my mouth (Ouch!) and there was one occassion when a metal wire was
"giving me grief".  Since I was going back to the 'dentist the next day,
I had to somehow grin-and-bear-it.

The scotch didn't help.  (It didn't hurt, but that's another story! :-)

In my pain I spied the tube of Orajel sitting in the medicine closet.

"Hmmm" I thought to myself.  "Why not?"  So I tried it, and LO AND BEHOLD!
It Worked!  No More Pain!

On the other hand, I will no longer urge my kids to use it for their
own teething pain (baby teeth falling out etc.):  It tastes AWFUL!
Forget this ".. in a pleasant tasting gel.." garbage.  Yeuch!

THere's always the scotch to fall back on...
-- 
[  Gordon D. Berkley    INTERNET: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com   POST: cgb001   ]
[  PHONE: +972 (3) 565-8727      FAX: +972 (3) 565-8754      (UTC-2)         ]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sunita@research.nj.nec.com (Sunita Hingorani)
Subject: Transferring Objects
Originator: sunita@vision
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:09:18 GMT


My son turned 7mo. today and he still doesn't transfer objects from one
hand to another.  The pediatrician says he should be doing that now.
Can anybody suggest what I can do to encourage him to do that. Is 
it easier for them to transfer certain objects like a cube or any object 
would do.


    Also he was late rolling over (5.5mo.).  He still doesn't sit rather
he doesn't want to sit.  He arches his back when I put him in the
sitting position.  He is happiest when he is lying down on his back.
When I try to pull him up with his hands in a sitting position, he
immediately tries to get on his feet.  On the sofa too he would push
himself into a horizontal position.  I thought of putting him in the 
bath ring(Fisher Price), but that seems too small for him.  So, how do I
teach him to sit?  Any suggestions.


Thanks.

sunita
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mckenney@cims.nyu.edu
Subject: Source needed for cotton maternity slips
Followup-To: misc.kids
Originator: mckenney@gauss.cims.nyu.edu
Keywords: maternity clothing, mail order
Organization: Courant Institute, NYU, NY, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:20:41 GMT

    For reasons I won't go into, we are looking for a source
for a 100% cotton maternity (full) slip.  My wife has looked, but
has only with great difficulty found a 100% cotton non-maternity
slip (from an outfit called "Deva", in Maryland.) More generally,
a source of cotton and/or natural-fiber maternity clothes would
be good.  A place that takes telephone orders would be
preferred.

    Please E-mail responses.  If enough people express
an interest (by E-mail, please), I will post a summary
as a follow-up.

-- 
Alan McKenney        E-mail:  mckenney@cims.nyu.edu         (INTERNET)
Courant Institute,NYU,USA     ...!cmcl2!cims.nyu.edu!mckenney   (UUCP)
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:16:41 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <869.9212161848@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com 
(Dena Rollo) writes:
 
|> A recent post contained the statememt: "My
|> wife and I are pregnant..." There's no point
|> in naming the poster, as this is something I
|> read/hear quite often. 

[explanation omitted]

|> So, isn't there another way to express your feeling of
|> being part of the team?

How about 'expecting'? Both parents are certainly expecting.

My husband was always content to say "my wife is pregnant..."
rather than "my wife and I...". (I guess he figured he didn't 
need to specify who else had been involved in the matter :-)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: Change in Eating Habits
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:05:14 GMT


My son is 14 months old.  Lately, about the last month or so, he has 
basically gone off his food.  He won't eat any of the things he used to
like (e.g. fruits, stews, vegetables, etc.).  All he will eat right now
is frenchtoast/waffles, crackers, or Cheerios.  I prepare meals for
his daycare provider (my sister) and he won't eat for her either.  The
food usually gets sent back home to me.  Any thing new I try he gets
very suspicious he will push it around with his fingers and not even
try it.  Or if I try to feed him, he pushes my hand away, half the time
the food ends up on the floor or on me.  

He did get 2 new teeth, he now
has 4 on top front, and 2 in bottom, I can see no sign of molars.  He
still drinks his milk, about 15 oz./day.  Is this just a phase that is
common around this age?  Any advice?

My next problem is bathtime.  He hates getting his hair washed.  I used to
be able to lay him back in the tub and rinse his hair that way.  Lately he
has become hysterical when I try to lay him down, he also gets hysterical
if I just dump the water on his head sitting up.  He doesn't know enough to
tilt his head back.  Any suggestions there?

Thanks for any advice.

Catharine
crobshaw@rd.hy.on.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: When To Turn Car Seat?
Keywords: When To Turn Car Seat?
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:46:07 GMT

>>>> >I probably should know this from my first son...but, when are you
>>>> >supposed to turn a backward facing infant seat forwards?  
>>>> 
>>>> When the child is 3 year or when the childs head reaches the to edge
>>>> of the seat.
>>>
>>>3 YEARS ??!!!
>>
>>YES. 36 month. Thats what the car security board in Sweden recommend.
>
>Does anyone know of a brand (available in the US) of car seat which would
>allow the weight of a three-year-old in the rear facing position, though?

Oh yeah,

P.S.  I wouldn't recommend that the original poster, or anyone else, leave
a child in the rear-facing position past the recommended weight limit,
without at least checking with the manufacturer of their seat...

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:09:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.235439.23455@chiton.ucsd.edu> martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:
>
>If you are about to be a parent and have doubts about circumcision (i.e., you 
>can easily go either way), I'd suggest you try to witness the performance of 
>one. It may help you decide.
> 
This is what did it for me.  We saw one being done on our hospital tour (up
until then I had been undecided).  My husband was shocked and was adamant 
about not having it done to our son as were all the couples in our class.

>Martin
>-- 
>------

Denise
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: Orajel
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:13:16 GMT

In article <28042@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore) writes:
>
>|> I thought is was interesting that when my husband talked to our pediatrian
>|> about teething he said that we shouldn't use Orajel or other "medicines" but
>|> we should wipe some scotch on his gums.  So the "guys" sit down together and
>|> have a scotch!
>
>Even if my pediatrician suggested that, I wouldn't do it.  I don't
>like the idea of giving an infant alcohol like that--especially as
>concentrated of alcohol as Scotch or vodka!

When I was younger I definitely remember my mother putting scotch
or whiskey on my teeth when they hurt coming in (my "adult" teeth
around 5-7 YO).  I hated that taste so much that I stopped complaining
when my teeth hurt!!!!!

---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)     (do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
[] Bell Communications Research / Piscataway NJ
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: slow talker
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:07:29 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <1992Dec16.214249.24028@Princeton.EDU>,
lisas@pucc.princeton.edu (Lisa S. Lewis) writes:
> No, I'm NOT wrong in general.  I may be wrong in the particular case of
> your uncle, but in GENERAL children who have no language past the age of
> three are suffering from a developmental delay, if not disability.
> 
> I wish I had a quarter for every time I've heard that "Einstein didn't
> talk till he was four" or  "my uncle/brother/grandfather/insert relative
> of your choice/ didn't talk until he was five...."

     If you've heard it that often, it isn't that uncommon.  I've
heard it quite a bit also.  My uncle is the only one I personally
know, so that's who I stuck with.
 
> I know many, many, many children with all kinds of developmental delays
> and disabilities.  While it may be true that an occasional child is
> perfectly normal but "just doesn't talk" until a late age, I firmly
> believe that it usually isn't.  Most children are DRIVEN to communicate. 
  ^^^^^^^
     Do you have any evidence to back up this belief?  Or is it an
IMO?  I firmly believe that children cannot be easily lumped together
into convenient categories.

> I get very angry when I hear (read) people discouraging parents from
> getting evaluations.  They are wasting valuable time, denying that there
> is a problem.  And they will feel guilty and regretful later.

     I tend to receive overreaction badly, along with sweeping
generalties designed to stimulate fear or guilt.

> It's true that a VERY rare child doesn't fall within the usual
> developmental timetable, and still "turns out all right." But the
> majority don't.  Don't discourage people from seeking information and
> help because of a single (odd) datapoint.

     But it's not a "single (odd) datapoint" by your own admission. 
You claim to have heard it often enough to want an insignificant amount
of money per instance, presumably because it would add up to something
significant rather quickly.  I've heard it often enough myself, about
different people, to think that it may not be uncommon.

     Again, I'm not saying you're entirely wrong.  But your original
post did not attempt to take unusual (not extraordinary) cases into
account.  Someone has to inhabit the far side of the bell curve.
-- 
Patrick S. Clark | "O come let us adore them.
Email is life!   |  We've quit our day jobs for them."
Usual disclaimer | from "O Come All Ye Grateful Deadheads"
This .sig brought to you in part by the Bob Rivers Comedy Corp.
From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:33:12 GMT
Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physio-Control

In article 25561@ncsu.edu, acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette) writes:
>
>
>In any event,  If you are about to have a malechild,  please ask around about the
>and cons of having this done or not done.  If you chose to circumsize,  please
>ask that they use a local anesthetic.  That seems to be at least the minimally
>humane thing to do.
>

An OBTW.  A few years ago, I saw the results of a study published
somewhere (no, I do NOT recall the source) which purported to show a
higher incidence of cervical cancer among women with circumcised
partners, so if nothing else, think of the welfare of your future
daughter-in-law :-)

As I was personally present when my son was delivered, I made CERTAIN
that the doctors involved knew that a circumcision was NOT to be
performed.  None of the doctors involved questioned our decision with
even so much as a raised eyebrow.  Had they even waved a scalpel in his
dirction, believe me when I say that I have no trouble being
assertive.

Humane? Humane??? YEEEEEEOUCH! (but I understand this feeling to be
purely a male thing. |-o

Flames will be ignored.

harryb@phred

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brittanius (shocked):  Caesar, this is not proper.
Theodotus (outraged):  How?
Caesar (recovering his self possession):  Pardon him, Theodotus:  He is
a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and islands are
the laws of nature.

		--Caesar and Cleopatra, Act II, George Bernard Shaw
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@core.rose.hp.com (Judy Smith)
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement and Story
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:30:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]


Your experience with a long, hard labor then a C-section sounds much like
my sister-in-laws (except the epidural did not work and she had to have a
general so could not see the baby being born).  If you are thinking of a 
second child, and are really worried about the pain, knowing her
experience might help you.  She decided after much contemplation about
VBAC to go ahead and schedule the C-section the second time around.
Things could not have gone better for her !  The epidural worked, and
she saw her son being born.  She did not have to worry about going through
a long, painful, unproductive labor, and she had an incredibly quick recovery 
from the second C-section (her doctor said she could not talk to any of his
other patients, because they would all want C-sections! ;-})

Congratulations !  

Regards,

Judy Smith
Erik's (age 20 months) mommy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tommy@hilbert.att.com (Tom Reingold)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say (3.9)
Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:37:33 GMT

sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:

$ [...]

$ We have forced hot water radiators through the house, except for one hot
$ air blower in our bathroom.  When I was getting ready for work this morning,
$ Laura came up from the den and sat right in front of the blower in the
$ bathroom.

$ Laura: "I came upstairs to get nice and warm."
$        "When I was downstairs, I got nice and cold."

$ Not exactly how I would phrase getting too cold...

Last winter, we visited the park where wild ducks and geese hang out.
Madeleine was three years old.  The birds were standing on the frozen
river.  Madeleine asked, "Why do they stand on the ice, to keep their
feet nice and cold?"
-- 
Tom Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:48:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Well, I seem to have stepped on a lot of (both
male and female) toes with my recent diatribe
about men using the phrase "my wife and I are
pregnant". I have a habit of thinking that strong
reactions to something on my part necessitate
strongly stated opinions - and that they be
stated as immediately as possible (i.e., without
calming down first)!

So, I apologize - I accept that different things
resonate differently for different people.

*I* still feel as I do - that such usage is trivializing
of my experience. But if you and your partner
feel differently - go ahead. I certainly didn't
advocate *prohibiting* anyone from using the
phrase - just suggested (strongly :) that they
think about alternative ways of expressing
their partnership.

-Dena
From: majch@kodak.com (Kelly Majchrzak)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: REQUEST:  Don Gato
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: majch@kodak.com (Kelly Majchrzak)
Organization: Image Processing Algorithms Laboratory, Eastman Kodak Co.

Hi everyone!  I caught a follow-up article about this song - I guess that
the article with the lyrics expired.  Could someone please send me the
lyrics - I can remember the first two versus, but not the rest.

thanx in advance!
kelly
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce)
Subject: Nursing chair recommendation
Reply-To: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
Organization: Hitachi America Ltd
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:08:07 GMT

I have a La-Z-Boy rocker/recliner that I use as a nursing chair.  I like it much
better than a normal rocking chair for the following reasons:  very comfortable,
low arms which don't get in the way of holding baby, but still give a little height 
to rest elbows on, built in foot-elevation, we will continue to make use of the chair  after the baby is weaned.  The disadvantages:  harder to rock than a normal rocking
chair, takes up more space, more expensive.

I have been using it for 7 1/2 months and strongly recommend it to others.

Jill Boyce
jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
 

From: kellee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kellee Noonan)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:58:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Febrile Convulsions
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My son had several febrile seizures when he was young. My doctor said if the
first one was before the age of two, that he would most likely outgrow
them by the time he was five. Actually, after he was four, he didn't have
another one, but I was TOTALLY paranoid anytime he was flushed or had
a mild fever! That is part of parenting I think, worrying about
your kids :-}

The main thing I tried was to be cautious about fevers. Like the other
poster mentioned with the book excerpt, know how to keep the temp down.
My son's temp would shoot from 99 --> 103 quickly, and as the other
poster mentioned, not much warning.

When they are sick, keep the clothing light (my son spent his third birthday
in a diaper only, but it didn't stop him from digging into his cake with both
hands! 

The only thing I disagree with in the excerpt is the effectiveness of
the lukewarm sponging. For me it worked well to put him in a tepid bath 
and sponge him off and pour water on him. He didn't like it when he was really
hot, because it felt cold to him, but it kept the fever down. Be sure the
water is TEPID, NOT COLD. It should feel neutral to your wrist.

Also, when he had his first seizure, it was at the doctor's office, and
they wrapped him in a wet sheet to cool him off. After the second seizure,
at the ER, they put him in a tepid water bath to cool him off.

So, take heart, there is most likely an end to it all, my son is now 11 and
is fine with fevers. Talk with your doctor if you are scared, and let the
medical people help you learn how to deal with this. Remember, with your
kids you are not as rational sometimes. (As an aside, my sister who was
in nursing school when my son had his seizures, came TOTALLY UNGLUED by
them, because it was her nephew, not just a patient. so don't be 
embarrassed by being worried or scared, just learn what to do, and 
keep in mind your child is relying on you so you need to be calm
when it happens. - easier said than done, I know from experience.)

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, I'll try to answer them,  
email me at noonan@hpcea.ce.hp.com 

kellee
 
Xref: sparky misc.kids:30559 alt.child-support:3977 soc.men:21211 soc.women:21504 sci.psychology:4813
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:58:57 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:

> Could someone tell me (without emotion) that why is it better to return
> a child to to its bio-parents if the parents can not be helped (ex: on
> drugs) or will not accept help (ex: "We have done nothing wrong", "no one
> is going to tell us how")
> 
> Why do these experts feel that this is better that a subsitute family
> that cares ? Is the bio-attachment more important in a child then his
> or her family environment.

I don't know for sure if you're asking the right question, Pete. What I
see is an almost bizarre conflict of interests at play, and not the one
you're asking about.

The only agencies which CAN take a child from it's parents are those of
the government. If I were to stab at the answer, it would be that the
agencies have two constraints. One legal/constitutional, and the other
fiscal.

I won't try to enumerate any constitutional argument here, because the 
law has some twists and turns to it that make it kind of difficult to 
describe. Between state and federal forces, things can get pretty weird.

Moneywise, it's cheaper to return the child "when possible." Even if
the parents have to be monitored, that's still cheaper than the costs
of a combination of agencies providing services.


--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cookie making worries
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:31:41 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <TIGGER.92Dec12223305@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
|> I had a question - someone mentioned using frozen egg preparations?
|> 
|> Does freezing the egg kill the salmonella (spelling?). If so, why not
|> scramble the eggs and then freeze them beforehand?

Unfortunately not. The reason why the frozen packaged egg preparations 
were mentioned had to do with their being pasteurized before they were 
frozen. Cooking is what kills the bugs. It is possible to pasteurize 
liquid eggs without solidifying them--if we knew how, we could just do 
that before letting the kids have at them. (What?! *Another* pot to 
wash?!)

I always used to store my E. coli and Salmonella typhimurium cells in the 
freezer. They usually survived, even when we used the frost-free freezers 
in the refrigerator/freezer units, which aren't as cold. We *did* add 
glycerine to help them out, but I certainly wouldn't guarantee that they'd 
die without it.

One thing that *does* die in the freezer is the organism that causes 
trichinosis. Store your pork in the freezer for two weeks or more, and 
you can serve it as rare as you like without fear of infecting your 
guests. (I wish my mother had known this when she was over-cooking our 
pork chops when I was a kid. I was so surprised when I grew up to find 
that pork chops taste good.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:49:48 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I only know of one case where this was nerely 100% accurate.

(cute story follows)

A friend of mine was preganant almost 2 years ago now.  She didn't suffer
from morning sickness or any other "symptoms" of being pregnant (with the
possible exception of craving a specific brand of chocolate chocolate
chip ice cream :) ).  Her husband, on the other hand, suffered from
morning sickness and every other awful "symptom" of pregnancy that
she didn't have......He really seemed to be the pregnant one......


Beth


-- 
"We are not free; it was never intended we should be.  A book of rules
is placed in our cradles, and we never get rid of it until we reach
our graves."--E.W. Howe, 1924  
bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu              bets@ksuvm.ksu.edu