From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:17:29 GMT
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Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep11.200244.20662@PA.dec.com>, gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:
> In article <12213@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep9.110627@wsl.dec.com>, gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:
> >> In article <12158@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ## |# As you can see, sexual orientation is not defined by this bill.
# ## |# Rape is definitely a sexual orientation; so is child molesting.
# ## |# Disgusting, immoral, horrifying sexual orientations -- but
# ## |# nonetheless, sexual orientation.  AB 101, at least, defined
# ## |# what it meant.
# ## |# 
# ## Rape is a sexual orientation?  Hmmm.  Not according to my dictionary:
# ## 
# ## rape: n. 1) The crime of forcing a person to submit to sexual intercourse.
# ## 2) The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
# ## 
# ## Now, how can you possibly equate rape with sexual orientation?
# #
# #Because for a rapist, it IS.  Even if they don't commit rape for
# #10 years while sitting in prison, their essential orientation doesn't
# #change.  When they get out, they commit more rapes.  It is what they
# #prefer doing, and it is an expression of their screwed-up sexuality.
# #
# Good morning stupid.  Do you put something special in your coffee?
# Can I get some, it sounds great.
# 
# Rape is an act of violence.  That it involves the sexual organs
# does not make it sex.  Ask any person who has been raped.

If it didn't involve sex, the rapist would just beat the crap out
of his victim.  Rape victims I have known (and living in L.A., you
get to meet a lot) found their sexual relationships with their
boyfriends or husbands severely damaged, because they were unable
to separate out the rape from their sexual relationship, at least
for a few years.

# #So tell me, is pedophilia a sexual orientation?
# 
# Your point in this?
# 
# Whether it is or not has nothing to do with rape. Your confusion
# of the two subjects is not only insulting it's stupid.

The point is that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, and so a
day care center or school would not be able to turn down a pedophile
who sought a job there, if AB 2601 passes.

# #Groan.  They don't you much in schools these days, do they?
# #That's the DEFINITION of an established religion -- codified in
# #law.
# 
# The phrase de-facto isn't in you vocabulary is it?

It sure is.  Perhaps you would like to explain this?  I'm told
that in some parts of America, Christianity is effectively
an established religion.  I've never lived in such a part of
America, so I don't know if that's true.

I understand that Salt Lake City is close to this, but Mormon
instead of Christian.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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