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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Do bike stores mark up or mark down?
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:28:27
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: praetzel@maxwell.uwaterloo.ca's message of Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:33:33 GMT

In article <C0qqvx.L7o@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> praetzel@maxwell.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:

   Of the two better bike shops in this town, neither will let you test
   ride it.

That seems cheesy to me.  When I bought a bike recently, the shop
certainly had no problem with my test riding it (I had to put a 10%
fully refundable deposit on the bike for them to build it, but that
didn't seem unreasonable).  In fact, when I asked for a suggestion of a
hilly road to try it on, they were glad to make a few suggestions (their
favorite, a very steep downhill with a sharp right curve near the
bottom, they didn't recommend that day because there was ice on the
ground).  They suggested that I try it both uphill and downhill, in
fact.
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From: george@seqvax.caltech.edu (George Komatsoulis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Profile AeroII for sale.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:06 PST
Organization: Division of Biolgy, CALTECH
Distribution: usa
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Profile AeroII bars for sale.
Medium width, adjustable length
2 months old.
$30
Send E-mail if interested

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George Komatsoulis			Division of Biolgy
george@seqvax.bio.caltech.edu		147-75
					California Institute of Technology
Have pump, will travel			Pasadena, CA 91125
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: rbc!al (Al Davis)
Subject: Klein Performance 58 cm   FOR SALE
Reply-To: davis@ee.rochester.edu
Organization: Huh?
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:53:14 GMT

For sale:

Klein Performance frame  58 cm.
Includes:  bottom bracket set for Ultegra
	braze-on clamp for front derailleur
	no headset
	Klein Steel fork

Has fender clearance and braze ons for rack
Never been crashed.

Price $375 or best offer.

Call Steve Lee 716-338-3934
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From: loucks@isrc.sandia.gov (Cliff Loucks)
Subject: looking for long cranks
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:44:34 GMT


I need another set of cranks.  I would prefer Dura Ace at 177.5 mm.
Actually, I would prefer Ultegra, but Shimano doesn't make them
longer than 175 mm.  I'll consider Campy's and 180 mm as well.  If
you've got a pair you no longer need, please let me know.
Thanks,
Cliff
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Sandia National Labs, Albuquerque, New Mexico
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From: trent@mpr.ca (Robert Trent)
Subject: Shimano or SunTour?
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:04:45 GMT


After almost 6000 miles of abuse on mountain
trails, my battered Fiori San Remo (Shimano 
Deore II grouppo) needs to be replaced.  After
MBA's positive review, I'm leaning towards the 
Mongoose Amplifier frame and am currently 
attempting to decide on an appropriate grouppo.

I like the hyperglide on my current freewheel
but could use 24, rather than 21, speeds.
I'd like to go with Shimano XTR, but simply 
can't afford the expense.  So I guess it's 
between Shimano XT and SunTour's grouppos.

I don't know too much about various grouppos 
(especially SunTour) and would appreciate some 
opinions.

What does SunTour have that is at par with
Shimano XT or XTR?

Does SunTour have the equivalent of Shimano's 
hyperglide?

Is there any way to (safely and reliably) have
an 8-speed cassette on Shimano XT?




From: Michael.Finger@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Finger)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Advice on Light Parts
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 22:16:10 -0500

Try a controltek seatpost (it's got a n internal rib down the middle, and it's
pretty light for the strength - mid-300's). Another cheap and light upgrade is
ZOOM stuff. There stem weighs 256g, cost $30, and is real strong (it's seel
too).

From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:35:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Opinions on Indoor Training w/Rollers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace

	My  vote is for  Rollers.  I have a set of Al  Kreitler  rollers
with the wind resistance units.

Advantages:

1.  Cardiovascular workout.

2.  Improves  your  form/style.  (To smooth out your stroke,  unhook one
foot from its peddle and try peddling with only one leg.)

3.  Also improves your balance.  (when you go back to road riding you
feel like your bike is on rails.)

Disadvantages:

1.  Cost of equipment.

2.  Takes up a little more space

3.  A longer learning curve.

Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Mini-pump/mini-tool results
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:51:06 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhambra.pa.dec.com

Harry Phinney writes:
|> I strongly disagree.  I definitely prefer Silca pumps, both "floor"
|> pumps and frame mounted, to any others on the market.

I didn't really like the Silca frame pump, but I agree that
their floor pump is excellent.  I have a Silca floor pump
at work and a Zefal double barrel floor pump at home.  The
Zefal pumps faster, but is much more finicky.  The Silca
takes more strokes, but easily and reliably reaches 150
psi.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: u101@norm.scs.uiuc.edu (u101)
Subject: Trainers: rear, front/rear, comments?
Organization: scs
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:22:38 GMT

Sorry if this was discussed recently, I have been away.

I am looking for a mag trainer and would be interested in anyone's experience
with either the rear only or front/rear versions; e.g. stability?  Other 
comments concerning brands Minoura, Nashbar etc are welcome.  Does the 
expensive Cateye offer a better ride or just fancier electronics.  Thanks. j.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Avocet 50 rear wheel speed/cadence system
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:15:09 GMT

kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan) writes:
>My manual says that Avocet makes a rear wheel pickup. However, I haven't
>seen this in any stores or catalogs. 

Loose Screws (address & phone in FAQ) lists a full array of Avocet 
parts.  A rear mount kit is $13, vs. $10 for a cadence mount kit.  
If you want to do it yourself, just a rear transmitter ring is $5, 
vs. $2.50 for 3 or 4 prong front transmitter rings.  There's also
a $5 transmitter for front disk wheels.  Batteries are $2 each
for the 30, 40, or 50.
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From: sc66+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean Stewart Corbin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: 4 SALE:58cm Colnago
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:49:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fIEdyK00WBKA3z2FD
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



     Once again, I'm posting an add for my Colnago road bike.  I have
only used it 4 or 5 times, and it has never been wrecked or damaged...so
it's in show-room condition.  Hell, the frame doesn't even have a
scratch on it!  The frame is white and green and is constructed with
Columbus SL tubing.  The bike is equiped w/Campagnolo Athena components.
 Here are some specs:

            Frame..................58cm  c/c
            Crank Arms.............18cm  c/c
            Front Sprocket.........53/42
            Rear Sprocket..........24/21/19/17/15/14/13
            Handle Bars............40cm  e/e
           
            
    The wheels are built with Campy Athena hubs and FIR rims. I payed
$1300.00 for the bike 7 months ago, so I'm willing to let it go for
around $1000.00.  If you're interested or would like to know more about
it, e-mail me or call me at (412) 268-4623.  If nobody's here, just
leave a message and I'll get back to you.

                                    Thanks,
                                    Sean Corbin
                                    sc66@andrew.cmu.edu
   
From: eisele@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Eisele)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:42:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Opinions on Indoor Training w/Rollers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace


I think Kreitler rollers w/ the Killer Headwind unit and Forkstand are
the way to go.  Rollers have the advantage of helping you develop your
balance and form on the bike.  In the past, rollers were criticized
because they could not provide enough resistance, but today most rollers
come with either magnet or fan resistance units.  The Kreitler fan is
big squirrel cage fan w/ a variable intake.  It provides plenty of
resistance and better mimics the effects of riding in the wind unlike
magnet units.  However, there are times when you may not want to
concentrate on balancing while riding.  The Kreitler forkstand allows
you to mount your front fork on a wide stand which sits over the roller
unit.

Kreitler equipment is expensive, but is built to last.

Jon 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Thinking about buying a Bridgestone MB-3
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:48:45 GMT

ce011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Erdman) writes:
>Hi folks,
>I'm thinking of buying a Bridgestone MB-3 (mountain bike).
>For those out there who have Bridestones, do you love or hate them?
>Would you recommend one?
>What do you think about the company overall?
>Any information about Bridgestone and their mountain bikes willk be
>greatly appreciated!!!!!

I have a Bridgestone road bike and mountain bike and love them.  Bridgestone
beleives in lightweight functional parts and frames.  That's why they've
stayed with thumbshifters and nonpainted components when just about everyone
else has gone to rapidfailure and painted LX components.  Bicycle Guide has
chosen the MB-3 as it's top mid-priced mountain bike two years in a row. If 
you want the reviews send me your address via e-mail and I will send them to
you.  You should also get a copy of Bridgestones catalog if you haven't
already.  It's very interesting reading and explains their philosophy.  I've
recommended bridgestone to alot of my friends who have bought either road or
mountain bikes and love them.  I am currently waiting for a 93 MB-3 to
arrive (metallic purple) so I've put my money where my mouth is.  Let me
know if you have any specific questions.  I would say the outstanding
attrobutes of Bridgestones are;
1.  Lightweight, they are gnerally lighter than other bikes in their price
range.
2.  Thumshifters only, they work better, are more adjustable, lighter, and
have a friction option if neccesary.  They are also much cheaper to replace
if you break one.
3.  No painted parts, most $800 bikesthis year have Deore LX painted components
which look terrible after a few serious rides. The MB-3 is one of the very
few bikes to have stayed with Chromed Deore DX this year.  They also use
Dia-Compe 986 brakes which are very light and easy to adjust.
4.  Fantastic geometry.  Rides like a road bike.  Some people don't like
this on a mountain bike so your test ride will be important to decide if
the steering is to quick.  Personally I find it easier to lean into curves but
I'm not riding serious singletrack (in Illinois?).

As always I reccomend riding the bikes and seeing if you like them.  My 
reasons for liking the MB-3 may not be important to you.
-Terry
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Duke)
Subject: Mini-pump/mini-tool results
Organization: Motorola
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:34:13 MST

The results:

  MINI-PUMP - Mt. Zefal Mini Double Shot (9)
            - Blackburn(1)

   **** Problem with Blackburn seems to be a poor valve attachment.

  MINI-TOOL - Cool Tool(5)
            - Rhode Gear Tool Pod(1)
            - Cannondale Tool(1)
            - Park Tool(1)

   **** I had a tool pod and it eventually broke in all places.
        Others had similiar experiences.

  In addition I asked about floor pumps. Seems like everyone already
knows what I do - Silca pumps aren't very good. Not much else.
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: about those clipless pedals
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:49:58 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Distribution: usa
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Keywords: n

James Gourgoutis writes:
>A while back, I posted requesting info on a set of Campy clipless
>pedals, that I said I could buy for $60.  
>[older, non-LOOK compatible]

These make really nice paper weights, but they're pretty useless otherwise.
They're some of the heaviest pedals ever made (steel body) and they don't
work very well.  To get out you have to rotate your foot and then pull back
- two motions instead of one.  It's tough to get out in a hurry.

Plus the cleat is hard to mount on many LOOK-style shoes.

(They came on a bike I bought a few years ago.)
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams
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From: jtyl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BJ)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Shimano or SunTour?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <93005.175722U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>, U3C@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>Dont forget the new "xc-expert" micro-drive group....described as a "budget
>racing group"

I've seen the new xc-expert micro-drive.  It's spec'ed on the '93
Specialized Rockhopper Expert.  Features 20-32-42 chainrings coupled
to an 8 sp rear power-flo cassette (11-28).  Shifts rather nicely.
Should give the rider some *serious* hill climbing gears!

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From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Mongoose Amplifier
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:09:47 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I don't have first-hand experience with this bike, but a guy at a local
shop was racing one and broke it three times.  As I recall, a rear
cantilever boss popped off, one of the rear pivots at the dropout broke,
and something in the BB area broke.  Otherwise, it's supposed to be
a great bike!  MBA didn't mention any problems with theirs and you may
not have any trouble with yours, but I'd make sure you get it from a
good shop (and one that's not too far).

Have you considered the GT RTS-1?  Another shop in my are just took
delivery of these; they look great and the cro-moly rear end might be
more durable.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: martin@morticia.princeton.edu (Carlos Martin)
Subject: Re: Mini-pump/mini-tool results
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: floor pumps
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:59:14 GMT

wayman@TELLABS.com (Bob Daniel-Wayman) writes:
>
>I bought Nashbar's floor pump and have been very satisfied with it. It is the
>same as some Japanese company's with trashbars name on it.
>
I bought a Nashbar floor pump several years ago.
I chose this pump over a comparably priced (i.e., cheap)
Zefal model offered at the time by Nashbar because the Nashbar pump
looked more durable.  The base and body of the Nashbar
pump are metal (steel?), and that of the Zefal pump were plastic.

The Nashbar pump has an external chamber with pressure gauge.
The connector on the end of the hose locks onto either the 
Schraeder stem or the Presta adaptor that comes with the pump.

The Nashbar pumps works well for tire pressures up 90 or 100 psi,
and the Presta adaptor works well.
It was not until I tried to pump a tire up to 120 psi this last
year that I had any dissatisfaction with the Nashbar pump.
(The tire was a 28 cm Continental Super Sport, rated for 120 psi,
used with a Presta-valve-equipped tube.)

Although it is possible to get a tire to 120 psi, it requires a great 
deal of effort.  Either some leakage occurs, or the pump is just not
capable of delivering high pressure. 

When used with a Schraeder fitting, the tire pressure will drop
when the hose is initially connected, in order to pressurize
the external chamber.  Hence, extra effort is required to get the
tire back up to pressure.

I would not recommend this pump for high pressure road tires,
but it works well for pressures up to about 100 psi.


-- 
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From: ma155fau@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Boo Radley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: In defense of Huffys
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:21:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <C0G13G.2IC@Novell.COM> karl_best@novell.com (Karl Best) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.183129.25217@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>narchamb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicholas D Archambeault) writes:
>> Granted, I often dream of a fully suspended 'Dale with all the fixins,
>> but until I graduate the Huffy will have to suffice.  Sometimes you
>> have to drive an old Volkswagen until you can afford the Porsche.
>
>I'm not sure that a Huffy maps well to a VW. Perhaps a Yugo?
>

Or a AMC Pacer.  Actually, almost any AMC car.
BTW, no matter what this fool says, Huffy's are the biggest pieces
of shit (besides Murrays).  I can't even imagine why anybody would
buy one, short of being a really cheap penny-pincher.  Therefore it
really amazes me that somebody would be silly enough to try and
defend these "bikes".
One interesting side note:  Huffy Bicycles used to own Raleigh USA.
Doesn't that just suck?  I have a Raleigh MTB and track bike.  Damn.

Jason

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From: RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Nashbar US-13 Rims (27x1)
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:07:07 GMT
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark

In article <1993Jan3.001028.23658@pegasus.com>
richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
 
>I bought one of these rims recently (about 400 miles ago) and am fairly
>pleased, I'll be ordering a couple more soon.  The hard anodized finish
>started out something like the `no-stick' on a frying pan but roughened
>up a bit after a few miles.
>
>The rims have only single eyelets so they may not be quite as strong as
>a Mavic MA-2 but they are cheaper and easier to get.  (If anyone knows
>where to buy MA-2s via mail-order please let me know.)  The US-13 is a
>bit heavier than the MA-2.  The seam on the Nashbar rim is a little
>smoother than the one on the MA-2 I have.
 
Well, I tried to order a pair of these but Nashbar is sold out and won't
be restocking.  Apparently they have some newer rims coming out some time
in the future.  So, I went in search of other rims and lo and behold, Excel
Sports has Mavic MA-40's in 27 inch for $29.50!  So, without any forethought
I ordered a pair of them instead.  Just received them and the spokes last
night.  Just waiting on Performance for the hubset now... thought you'd
be interested in the Excel price on the Mavic's as they're usually around
$50 or more and they're the only ones I found that had them in 27 inch (and
they're in stock!).  Later...
 
 
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From: o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: W: REI store in SEATTLE ?
Reply-To: o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org
Date: 06 Jan 93 18:23:00 MET
Distribution: world
Organization: Mailboxsystem LINK-NJD, FRG
X-Version: ZerUU V6.43a

Due to starting a bike-tour in Seattle I was wondering if there is a REI-
store I can stock up supply?

Oliver

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From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:11:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Graber Roof Racks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace

	If you do like I did and buy the  Graber to save  money and then
replace it with a Yakima set up because you get nervous about endagering
$3,000 of bikes on the  Graber you will  spend a lot more.  Please  note
that I bought the Graber in 1987, maybe they are better now.

	I wish I had just gone with Yakima in the first place.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:18:26 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: To person in Ottowa selling 50 Pinarello

If Rich decides he's not interested, e-mail me with the details!

                                            Thanks,
                                              Tom