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From: C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk (C.L. Gannon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: what is 'straight edge'?
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:33:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1993Jan21.214228.29685@gallant.apple.com>, jens_alfke@gateway.qm.apple.com (Jens Alfke) writes:
>In article <16B5C13EF7.S942912@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> ,
>S942912@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU writes:
>>...can anyone please explain to me what 'straight edge' is?
>>..i'll appreciate that....
>
>Clean-living punk rock: no drugs, no drinking, no smoking. Minor Threat
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   ^^^^^^^   ^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^
>(and their heirs Fugazi) were I think the major band of this scene.
>
>--Jens Alfke


         bit of a disappointment really. and can you really have 
         "clean living punk rock"?

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From: sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: TORI does Nirvana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:41:57 GMT

jis@panix.com (Linus Van Pelt) writes:
>In <1993Jan24.200147.10531@ac.dal.ca> drolrevo@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>	My roommate heard on the radio a Tori Amos cover of
>>Nirvana's Smells like Teen Spirit. Where can I find this song 
>>and on what medium (i.e. single, ep, disc etc.)? 
>The import CD for _Winter_

Any version of the Crucify EP.

>>	And if you've heard it, tell me, does she do the song justi
>>ce? 
>More like dis-justice.  Just another Kate Bush wanna-be who looks cute.  

That's probably the most irrelevant-to-truth evaluation you could have
come up with.

She does the song very differently, with only piano and vocals.  I happen
to like it a lot.

-- 
Kevin Martin
sigma@ipl.rpi.edu
"I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you BELIEVE me?!"
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From: ddebry@itchy.dsd.es.com (Dave DeBry)
Subject: Barenaked Ladies
Battle-Cry: Spoon!
Reply-To: Dave DeBry <ddebry@dsd.es.com> 
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Aka: (Zorkian) Grue 
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:35:30 GMT

	A few of Barenaked Ladies questions...

	1] What was the name of their cassette that they released
prior to "Gordon"?  (It was onbly released in Canada, right?)

	2] Do they ever tour?  Into the US?

	3] Is there a mailing list for fans?  If there isn't, are
there enough interested people for me to start one?

	Thanks!


--
Dave  ddebry@ debry@   \ "She didn't have the kind of dough to buy new
DeBry dsd.    peruvian. | earrings, so she used shower curtain rings.
      es.     cs.utah.  | Somewhere, a bathroom was flooding."
      com     edu      /                                - Tommy Sledge
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (Pete French)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Zodiac Mindwarp...
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:41:03 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

From article <C1Dxon.A65@news2.cis.umn.edu>, by kill0012@student.tc.umn.edu:
> Would anyone care to lay odds as to the likelihood that I will find
> recordings this long after the fact by Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love
> Reaction?  I really thought they were great (hilarious and muchly rockin').

What's with all the "were" stuff ? They've got a new record out and just
finished a UK tour - supported on northern dates by the Scum Pups. Can't
remember what the new record is called but the stuff they played was
pretty good when they came to York. Getting hold of stuff should be as easy
as walking into town and grabbing a copy off the racks...

-bat.
-- 
-Pete French. (the -bat. )    -+ 	Are you in the militia ?
Adaptive Systems Engineering   |
                               +- Tuktusiuriagatigitqingnapinngitkyptinnga!
From: heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Minor Threat
Date: 29 Jan 93 00:32:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Ian was also in Skewbald (very Minor Threat sounding), Egghunt and Embrace.
Check 'em out...fresh!
From: Cannam@sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: misc
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:50:05
Organization: Konrad Zuse Zentrum fuer Informationstechnik Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: borodin.zib-berlin.de
In-reply-to: mjr@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk's message of 27 Jan 93 11:21:33 GMT


In article <1993Jan27.112133.12194@cs.nott.ac.uk>
mjr@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Marcus Roberts) writes:

   In article <C1Gw6o.1K1@newcastle.ac.uk>, C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk
   (C.L. Gannon) writes:
   > 
   >          only me (again) i just wanted to know if anyone has 
   >          any idea as  to where i could get some stuff by
   >          Skinny Puppy as they sound quite interesting. for those
   >          that don't notice where articles come from i want places 
   >          in england ( preferably newcastle or london).

   Skinny Puppy is available *everywhere* in the UK - nearly all HMV
   and Our Price shops will have a selection, but you will need to
   visit a few shops to get the entire range.

Where the hell do you shop?  Is Nottingham a Mecca for industrial
music or something? I've never seen SP in either HMV or Our Price,
anywhere.

--
           on sighting mathematicians it should unhook the algebra from their
             minds and replace it with poetry;  on sighting poets it should
               unhook poetry from their minds and replace it with algebra
From: H5FK@UNB.CA (H5FK)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: i love eric's trip!
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:31:31 GMT
Organization: The University of New Brunswick


 i can't help it i do!
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: izumi@epas.utoronto.ca (Noriko Izumi)
Subject: Peter Astor
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:40:57 GMT
Keywords: Petor Astor / Telescopes

Hi!
	Has anyone ever heard the 3rd album from Peter Astor?  I am thinking
about getting this one, but haven't decided yet. If anyone have a
review of this album, would you e-mail me?

	I also want to get some information about the Telescopes.
Although no one on the Net picked up -Telescopes- as the best of '92
(as far as I remember), I really like it (especially -you set my soul-!!!).
I only have this album and one EP called 'flying'.
Does anyone know how their other stuff sound like?
How did they sound like before they moved to Creation?

Thanks in advance.

izumi@epas.utoronto.ca
From: catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Cocteau Twins Box Set
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:38:46 GMT
Organization: Night People


My apologies if I missed this a few months ago...

I have been toying with the idea of getting the Cocteau Twins 10 CD5
Box Set, but before I do I would like to get a track listing to know
whether or not it is worth spending $50-70.  I have tried in vain to
find out so far, so I am hoping someone here can supply me with this
information.

Thanks...

-- 
Paul W. Francisco        	    In the shadow an angel cries...
catcher@netcom.com                      - Front Line Assembly
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:48:25 -0500 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: BIG BLACK
	<1993Jan19.193612.555@wam.umd.edu>

On 19-Jan-93 in Re: BIG BLACK                
user Michael@wam.umd.edu writes:
>     yeah, get "songs about fucking," it's pretty good...you might also
>wanna give a listen to Rapeman, another Steve Albini band. Big Black did
>a few years ago what Ministry is just getting around to now, only better!
>Most Minstry songs sound like Big Black riff rip-offs...
> 
>Mike
> 
>In fact, most Ministry songs sound like Big Black riffs that are looped.

I hear this regularly.  Personally, I don't hear it, and I own the
entire Big Black catalog except for compilation appearances, as well as
most Ministry (all the stuff worth having).  Albini tended to do the
tinkle-tinkle stuff on guitar, and although Durango added a little
crunch, there isn't anything on the crunch level of, say, "Hero" or
"Theives".  I just don't see the comparison, aside from both bands using
a drum machine and being mostly guitar based.  Oh yeah, the bass is far
more important in BB songs, because the guitars tend to leave the low
registers open for Riley to churn away.

A band that sounds far more like Big Black that is recording these days
is Therapy?.  Check out what I wrote in my last message.  They sound far
more like what BB did, but do you hear people complaining about them
being unoriginal?  Ministry is just a popular poseur target.  I found it
entertaining that on the review card for Big Black's _Atomizer_ at our
college station, somebody wrote "Play some Chrome instead!"...just like
people say "listen to Big Black instead" about Ministry today.  Just
listen to good music.  It doesn't matter if it has been done
before...most things have.

Joshua Buergel - allroy@cmu.edu - jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu
"Anybody who thinks we overstepped the playground perimeter of lyrical
decency (or that the public has any right to demand 'social
responsibility' from a goddamn punk rock band) is a pure natural dolt,
and should step forward and put his tongue up my ass." - Steve Albini
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From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: Re: Tori does Nirvana
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:09:48 GMT

straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin) writes:

>In article <1jvi6t$skd@agate.berkeley.edu> robg@fossil.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Guralnick) writes:
>>I think you can find it on her new albulm.  I would give you the name of that
>>albulm, but I have conveniently forgotten...
>
>   Not exactly "new," or even an album per se.  "Smells Like Teen
>Spirit" is a B-side on the U.S. "Crucify" EP and is not on _Little
>Earthquakes_.  See the discography I posted recently for further
>details.
>
>>As for justice... hmm...
>>If you _REALLY_ like the song, you will probably really dislike Tori's
>>version... she makes it into a weepy, Elton John type dealy. If you marginally
>>like the song, then you will probably think it brilliant... If I remember
>>rightly (unlikely), she leaves out verses in the original.  
>
>   I'd have to agree with this.  Tori's version was meant as a
>tribute, and Nirvana say they like it, but it's definitely nothing
>like the original.  I might say "ominous" rather than "weepy."  I
>might also say "wonderful."

	Tori's version is interesting, but nearly as good as the original.
I just personally prefer a more aggressive interpretation of this
particular song.

>>Personally I love her version because it is captures some of the
>>same sentiment as the original while simultaneously being a completely
>>different style... also, her version introduces another level of irony
>>to the already ironic little single. Her other covers a good too, one
>>of Led Zepplin and one of the Stones (or maybe that was Shonen Knife)?
>>Whatever...

	True. But the irony she adds is a play off the original performance.
You would totally miss it if you had not heard the original. It's not a bad
interpretation, but I still think the original is the better of the two.

>   I get those two mixed up all the time myself.  :-)  Those covers
>are "Thank You" and "Angie," btw.

	These two covers, on the other hand, are *stunning*. I particularly
like her cover of "Thank You". The vocal style she uses is more appropriate
for these songs, as well. (IMO, of course.) I don't really like the studio
tracks off this EP, but the covers are well worth the price.

						-Cal
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From: rfhughes@crchh444.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bob Hughes)
Subject: Re: Offer: Lollapalooza II set for trade
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:07:42 GMT
Organization: BNR, Inc.

I have a copy of this set and it is not a soundboard recording.
You can clearly hear people around the microphone talking.
The quality of the set is average at best.  The Ministry and RHCP
material came out the best.  I'd rate the CD's C+ on the boot scale.
The Pearl Jam and Soundgarden CD's are below some others currently
available.  The Porno for Pyro's set is fairly muddy and generally
poor.  You must not much experience with boots to think that this
is a soundboard boot Thomas.  I have some soundboards boots that
blow this stuff away.

Bob

"Flying not yet quite the notion" - AIC

These opinions do not necessarily reflect those of NT/BNR 
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From: hk@caesar.rice.edu (Hyonchol Kahng)
Subject: Re: I can't go on
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:26:41 GMT

In article <mtl2001-210193153214@m248-106.bgsu.edu> mtl2001@andy.bgsu.edu (MAtt) writes:
>Why is everyone still posting?  Haven't you heard of the tragedy yet???
>THE PIXIES HAVE BROKEN UP!!! What's Clinton going to do about this?  I will
>never understand this cruel, cruel world.

Well, figure it this way: they broke up before they could suck (although that
might be debatable, considering the fanbase split between _Trompe le Monde_
and _Bossanova_), and I'm figuring we're getting _two_ bands out of one -
the amazing Breeders and the potentially amazing Frank Black.

>AND I NEVER EVEN GOT TO SEE THEM LIVE!

Hmmm, and I never got to see John Coltrane live, either....


hk
"...life's a piece of shit, when you look at it..."

--
hk kahng	     | Tremolo Appreciation Society | Neat things this round:
hk@owlnet.rice.edu   | 3402 Garrott		    | Dyn@mutt @ Willy's Pub
8AM-5PM 713-827-5168 | Apartment #13		    | Underground Lovers CD
5PM-8AM 713-529-5887 | Houston, Texas 77006	    | Tracy's Silvertone guitar
From: dshire@dimaggio.ucr.edu (Dag Burnit)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: techno
Keywords: techno
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:55:19 GMT
Organization: Waiting List, Brain Transplant Recipient

>In article <25248@galaxy.ucr.edu>, dshire@mercury.ucr.edu (David Shire) writes:
>> 
>> Hey folks,
>> 
>> 	Anyone out there interested in techno?
>> Would ya be interested in starting a new group? 
>> With the little news we get about the new techno
>> stuff out here (in the U.S. - at least in Southern
>> Calif.) it would be nice to get the lastest and
>> greatest warez out there. (Esp. after the death
>> of MARS-FM in southern california. R.I.P)
>> 
>> 	So folks, if you're interested, then
>> mail me at sshah@watserv.ucr.edu
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> 			-Steve
>
>

hey folks. 

i let a friend (steve) use an account of mine to read news and post this
but he didn't set up the "reply-to" or whatever properly and so I'M getting
mail that's supposed to be going to him. what i'm getting at is, if you
want to reply to his post, either post it here or send it to him 
(sshah@watserv.ucr.edu). it's no problem for me to forward it to him but
i'm sorta getting tired of being excited about receiving email (heh heh) only
to find out that it's not for me. *sigh*

thanks

david

-- 
d a v i d s h i r e d a v i d s h i r e d a v i d s h i r e d a v i d s
a Another fine posting by me!		a "body of a feeb, mind of an h
v dshire@cs.ucr.edu      		v infant so don't you call me i 
i And there was much rejoicing...	i an idiot"                   r
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: HOODOO GURUS
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:59:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Maybe some of the confusion about the order of the Hoodoos' albums
comes from the fact that there were two releases of Stoneage Romeos,
import and US, I believe.  They had the same songs, but in a different
order; I don't know why.  So maybe the US release was after the release
of the 2nd album.  Regardless, Stoneage Romeos was their first.

Ben
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From: cauchbri@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Buffalo Bruce)
Subject: Re: The Cure
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:24:45 GMT

i


Of course I know.  I'm not stupid.  But when it is heard on the radio, one
starts to wonder.
From: hilde902@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (HILDEBRAND TIMOTHY LOUIS)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Help - Indigo Girls??
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:23:01 GMT
Organization: University Of Idaho.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Polar Bear (pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: Samir Jain (samjain@accord.ece.cmu.edu) wrote:
: : 
: : |>
: : |>OK, so maybe this is not quite 'alternative' but I'd appreciate any info
: : |>on the Indigo Girls - I recently got their CD 'Rites of Passage' from the
: : |>library and I'm very impressed, even though it's not the type of thing I 
: : |>usually like.  I had only heard of them through their various R.E.M. 
: : |>connections, and that was what prompted me to get the CD in the first place.
: : |>
: : |>I know that this is their 4th album - how do the others compare with it and
: : |>which ones should I buy??
: : |>
: : |>Also have they ever toured the UK or are they going to?  I remember seeing
: : |>them on Jools Holland's TV show on BBC2 a few months back - did they play
: : |>any dates then?
: : |>
: : I found out about them a while back when the "Wonder Years" soundtrack came out.  They remade the classic "Get Together".  I thought their harmony was beautiful and took a chance on their first album, "Strange Fire".  I was very impressed and bought their second, self-titled album.  Although I haven't heard "Rites of Passage", my guess is that if you liked it, you should try some of the other ones.  They are, of course, from Atlanta (like REM) and Michael Stipe sung backup on one of their first two
: : 
: : 
: : 
: : 
: : (I forgot which one).
: : 
: : I got a chance to see them once in concert at a college campus, but got delayed and only the end of the show.  But even the end was really good.  The crowd was varied but my guess is that most of the true fans were the "flower childs" that were trading grass and helium balloons.
: : 
: : Sam

: The song Michael Stipe did backup for was "Kid Fears" and his entry into the 
: song still sends chills down my spine. Self-titled is definitely my favorite,
: since the songs on it seem to be the simplest and purest... but I haven't heard
: ROP yet. 

: --
: Polar Bear                          i won't be a monkey in anyone's zoo
: pjmorse@amherst.edu                 and i won't get fazed, whatever you do
: pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu            "hit him again, he's crazy"
:                                                    -ride
From: reynhout@cs.uri.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Single Gun Theory
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of Rhode Island, Computer Science Dept.

sjames@adam.adelaide.edu.au (S James) writes:
>>accapadi@mathew.austin.ibm.com (Matt Accapadi) writes:
>>> mark@earthview.cms.udel.edu (Mark Pulaski) writes:
>>> >The other day I heard a song on our college alternative radio show that
>>> >sounded alot like Single Gun Theory, and I haven't heard it before.
>>> >Is there new stuff out, or is this an older song that I've never heard
>>> >before?  

>>it that I really liked...and I can't remember the name of that either.
>>It went like...

> The CD you all seem to be talking about is called The Stars in my Hands
>published on the Volition Label Catalogue number VoltCd 37
>The CD is readily available here in Australia, when I bought it
>(only a few weeks ago) it came with a free video of two of the tracks

   For the rest of the world, that's _Like_Stars_in_My_Hands_, and it's
on Nettwerk in most places, with the usual odd distribution in the USA.
Either way, it's easy to find, and I highly recommend it to anyone who
likes that sort of dancy-but-not-overdone fem vox eclecticism.
Excellent stuff!

-- 
   Andrew <reynhout@cs.uri.edu>    "Which is Zen -- The head in the stars,
                                    or the body in a chair?"  - Kristin Hersh
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: fIREHOSE acoustic live show on KUCI  Friday Feb 26th at 9pm!!!
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:59:08 GMT

       Well I finally fucking managed it!  I just got a hold of Mike today
  and we set up a live gig to happen here at KUCI in Irvine.  This will
  happen in about a month. By then we will have increased our wattage and
  broadcasting sound quality so most of those behind the Orange Curtain
  here in Orange county can listen.

    They will do pretty much what they did on KXLU last December 7th.
  A live run through of the new album _Mr_Machinery_operator_ (which I
  have listened to and think is their best to date.  I'll post a FULL
  REVIEW of the album in a couple of days.).  The difference of course
  will be that this is the first show they'll like this AFTER the album
   has come out.

    They are also playing a Free noontime show here on the UCI campus
   Feb 3rd and yet ANOTHER interview on KUCI which a very good friend and
  I will be conducting.  I'll post the interview soon after as well.

  (BTW, I still can mail copies of the interview(s) I did last March with
   Mike so if anyone is interested, press "r" for you rn folks or e-mail
  me anytime.)

   Strangely enough, this gives me time to plug my new musical concept/project
  called UnPC.  Whenever I get the chance, I plan to put three songs out as
  a 7".  UnPC is basically hip/hop sampling from a source of indierock and
  free-form jazz.  Here's the planned EP:

    1."Social Commentary From Mr. Rock and Roll"
    2."Poem found in a bathroom"
    3."Accident on Jamboree (Trees in the center divider)"

   Track #1 samples "Down with the bass" by you guessed it along with other
  noise by Sonic Youth, Wire, Beastie Boys, A.R. Kane,Tom Vu, and many others.

   Track #2 is simple spoken word piece.

   Track #3 is a phenomenal (IMHO) mixture of Royal Trux, Boredoms,MC 900
             foot Jesus, and renegade soundwave.

   I just have to do a final mix and recording and it's ready.
  (Any label reps out there?   (juz kiddin) :)   )

  Any questions about ANY of the above?  e-mail me

  bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

                                                                K!z!K



Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: nejedly@athena.cs.uga.edu (Brian Nejedly)
Subject: Re: FLAT DUO JETS
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:22:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.170415.5252@wkuvx1.bitnet> danieds@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I haven't seen them in over a year and haven't had a dose of
>Dexterbilly in a long time.  Can anybody tell me what the Flat Duo
>Jets are up to?  Any new albums on the way? They must really hate
>Nashvegas because they never play up here.  HOpefully somebody out of
>NOrth Carolina or Georgia knows what Dex and Crow are up to.
>
>Thanks,
>Doug
>danieds@wkuvx1.bitnet

I can't tell you EXACTLY what they're up to, but I can tell you that they
have played here in Athens, GA a couple of times within the past couple of
months and at a new  club called Hoyt St. North which I thought was unusual
because they used to play the 40 Watt alot.
					Brian