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From: cayabyab@apache.enet.dec.com (Willie Cayabyab)
Subject: Kambing kumakain ng palay
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:24:17 GMT



    To those who tried to answer the pala-isipan I'd like to remind you
that kambing eats palay. As of now, all the answers that were posted here
are wrong. Jose Albert mailed me the correct solution. Tuloy ang isip...

   Willie


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 Sa tuwing hahagkan ko ang iyung mga labi ay ......ah iwan
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From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino-Chinese Kidnappings
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:41:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

lewc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Lew Chua-Eoan) writes:

  [ stuff deleted ]
>First of all, I believe a distinction should be made between military 
>abuse in areas hostile to military presence like negros, etc... versus 
>the extortion, murder, and rape of a minority due to ethinic background.
>Yes, all are citizens of the nation, and they should be accorded their rights.
>But in the case of the minority the crimes have the taint of racism.  
                                                              ^^^^^^

   Were the kidnap victims from the Filipino-Chinese community kidnapped
because of their Chinese ancestry or because of the perception, right or wrong,
that they have the money to pay the ransom?  I believe it is the latter.
My impression is that the kidnappers believe that the scions of 
Filipino-Chinese families are more profitable targets because their families 
will pay up and will not talk to the police.  They are not being kidnapped 
because they are Fil-Chinese but because the kidnappers think that they
can get a higher take than if they were to kidnap someone else.


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* bombim cadiz             | Theorem:   The early bird gets the worm. *
* cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu | Corollary: The early worm gets eaten.    *  
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From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Imelda Offers to Waive Claim to $356 Million
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:49:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Imelda Marcos has offered to end a
dispute with the government over $356 million in allegedly ill-gotten
wealth by putting the money into a joint foundation, her lawyer said
Friday.
	Antonio Coronel said that under the proposal, both sides would
nominate trustees to oversee the foundation, which would fund ``worthy''
projects.
	``We want to do this as soon as possible,'' Coronel told United Press
International, adding that Mrs. Marcos wanted to use much of the money
to build power plants that would help ease the country's chronic energy
shortage.
	Philippines Solicitor-General Raul Goco reacted favorably to the
plan. ``It's a good idea, and I think the government would be amenable
to that,'' he said.
	However, the plane would require the government to drop the 36 court
cases against the widow of ousted dictator Ferdinand Marcos that are
tied to the money.
	Evidence for the six criminal and 30 civil cases is considered
central to several of the nearly 50 other charges Mrs. Marcos faces for
her alleged role in the suspected looting of billions of dollars during
her husband's 20-year rule.
	Officials at the Presidential Commission on Good Government, which is
tasked to recover the Marcos fortune, were skeptical of the offer. ``We
are taking a wait-and-see attitude on this one,'' a spokesperson said.
	Lawyers for the former first lady and for the government said earlier
this week they would ask the 10 Swiss banks holding the $356 million to
transfer the cash to the Philippines.
	The money was to have been held in escrow at the Philippine Central
Bank until the courts decided who was the legal owner.
	Although Manila alleged the Marcoses stashed billions of dollars in
Swiss banks during their rule, it has only been able to allegedly link
the $356 million to the family.
	The Marcoses were driven into exile in Hawaii in 1986. Ferdinand
Marcos died there in 1989. His widow returned to the Philippines late
last year.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: pisay92@athena.mit.edu (Marlon R. Abayan)
Subject: Re: "noli trivia"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:47:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.210450.10250@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, albert@mathlab.sunysb.edu (Jose Ramon Albert) writes:
|> while we're on pala-isipan (thanks to willie), let's see if we can 
|> answer the following "noli me tangere" trivia:
|> 
|>  1. in the first (?) chapter, a party was held at a certain boat.  
|>     name that boat !! 

tabo

|> 
|>  2. what is the actual family name of crisostomo?

ibarra

|> 
|>  3. who was the lady who had a very ugly face, smoked tabako and
|>     refused to acknowledge her heritage? 
|> 
dona victorina

|>  4. what was the name of (3)'s husband ?
|> 

(i forget - but he was a spanish loser)

|>  5. who was (3)'s nemesis ?
|> 

padre damaso, as far as i can tell

|>  6. who was maria clara's real father ?  
|> 

padre damaso? 

|>  7. what is the entire name of maria clara's "foster" father?
|> 

that guy who was addicted to opium

|>  8. what were the names of sisa's children ?
|> 

crispin...basilio...

|>  9. who saved crisostomo from the authorities ?
|> 

elias - he died.

|> 10. what was the name of (9)'s girl?
|> 
|> bonus :  what is the full name of our national hero? 
|> 

julie?  daughter of kabesang tales.

|> -------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Jose Ramon "Toots" Albert                     "por la educacion
|> albert@ams.sunysb.edu                          recibe lustre
|> Department of Applied Math and Statistics      la patria" - rizal 
|> State University of New York at Stony Brook    
|> Stony Brook, NY 11794-3600
|> (516) 632-2192
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------


gosh, i can't believe i remember all this stuff.

Marlon
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: know any filipino stereotypes?
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:56:14 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <BxHGDz.282@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ajpg1322@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Angelo J. Paguia) writes:

>Well, what about generous, loving, fun to be with, irresistible,
>considerate, well-informed, even-keeled, physically fit, and just
>darn attractive ?

Yeah, that's right. We also characterize all the napaka's and pinaka's in the 
positive sense, di ba ?  :-) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Local Brown
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:26:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.014731.8051@odin.corp.sgi.com>, aimee@wpd.sgi.com
(Aimee Manosa) wrote:
> 
> Wierdest thing!  My cousin's part of the band.  I saw him on the 
> Filipino TV show yesterday.  I knew he was working with a band, but
> not as a singer/guitar player.  I just thought he wrote the songs.
> Hmmm...
> 

From your internet address, I don't think you're in the Philippines.  So,
how were you able to watch a Filipino TV show?  Is there such a show in
your area?

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: albert@mathlab.sunysb.edu (Jose Ramon Albert)
Subject: FC Kidnappings
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:14:33 GMT

lewc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Lew Chua-Eoan) writes:

  [ stuff deleted ]
>But in the case of the minority the crimes have the taint of racism.  
                                                              ^^^^^^
I have the tendency to agree more with bombim cadiz and francis 
felizardo that the FC kidnappings can hardly be attributed to racism.  Racism 
does exist in every corner of the world, including the Philippines.  Filipinos
make fun of Chinese -- i remember the phrase "intsik beho, tulo laway", for one
thing -- because there is apparently a big impression that they refuse to
assimilate.  Filipinos make fun also of Indians (especially 
the Sadaj -- the Indians w/ the turbans) when we scare our children --
"'wag kang magulo, ipamimigay kita sa bumbay."   then again, we make fun
of our own people -- tagalogs for instance make jokes about the warays, 
the ilocanos, the bisayas (especially with their punto). so, in a sense, 
racism and on a more local level, regionalist attiudes do exist in the phil.  

however, lew may be over-analyzing the facts.  Any form of organized 
crime (which the FC kidnapping syndicate is certainly a part of) operates 
on the basis of optimal policy -- maximum profit at minimum risk.  
Rich FC families are the most lucrative targets for kidnappings in 
the Philippines -- because of the impression that they pay up and they 
do not file police reports.  Their ethnicity (and the consequent
stereotype of paying up without cooperating with the police) 
is merely incidental to the crimes. 

Second point.  In democractic societies, politicians do not want to be 
construed as vindictive.  Assuming that Ramos has indeed a gripe with FCs
(which I find very, very hard to believe), he is not idiotic enough to 
let this problem go way out of control (otherwise history will not be too 
kind to him).   He has a lot more problems to handle than to be petty enough to 
be part of a conspiracy.  

One last observation I would like to make about the posts on this matter is that 
except for bombim's post and lew's subsequent response, 
they have been unpleasingly long.  I was reading all the posts with extreme
interest, but let me be honest to point out that my interest is depleting 
at an exponential rate.  Let us learn from the faults of the Bush 
campaign -- a litany of issues thrown at one's opponent
is not the most effective way of winning in a debate.

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albert@ams.sunysb.edu                          pinanggalingan, di
Department of Applied Math and Statistics      makararating sa
State University of New York at Stony Brook    patutungohan" 
Stony Brook, NY 11794-3600
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: lopez@athena.cs.uga.edu (Felix Sherwin Lopez)
Subject: PHILIPPINES e-mail address desperately needed
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:20:51 GMT

Kumusta mga kababayan!

     I am looking for an e-mail address in the Philippines especially
in UP Los Banos.  Does anybody know anyone at UPLB or even IRRI?  Your
help will be greatly appreciated.  Maraming salamat po.

Sherwin Lopez
Univ of Georgia
lopez@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: know any filipino stereotypes?
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:18:13 GMT
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) says:

>In article <1992Nov12.024040.137@odin.corp.sgi.com> aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa) writes:
>>
>>Hey...what about 'filipino time'?  I'm sure *everybody* here knows 
>>about pinoy time!  You ask folks to come to a party an 7, and what time
>>will Filipinos come in?  ;-)
>>
>>So, the above examples are a tad derogatory (well, sort of), but it
>>is true, isn't it?
>>
>
>Filipino Time and Derogatory: Well, it is only derogatory when we start
>taking in Western concepts of time.  Once we start making punctuality 
>to the second as the normal way of doing things, then certainly, those who
>aren't punctual to the second are considered to be slackers.  However, for
>those who haven't been exposed too much to the Western value in punctuality 
>to the second, Filipino time is normal.  Sometimes, being on time can be
>seen as rude.  


Gee, I don't know about that.  I find it extremely difficult to imagine any
cultural perspective from which punctuality is undesirable.

I think it's just plain good sense for everyone to try arriving at 7 o'clock 
if seven is the agreed upon time.  Logic, pure and simple.  Anything else
is simply irrational.  Surely you've all been in situations wherein precious
hours were wasted because of some habitual latecomer. 

>The value we put in time is cultural.  Some cultures like preciseness, some
>don't value preciseness.  

Preciseness is one thing.  Arriving an hour late is another.

-- 
    Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., CWRU grad student & roboticist wannabee

   "Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"    |    My boss is a 
   "Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all."  |  Jewish carpenter.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 6 Nov 1992 14:25:29 CST
From: <U52892@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Filipino rhymes or songs

Since someone started posting Filipino rhymes, I can't help
but be a little nostalgic.....

Do you guys remember Bahay kubo? What about leron, leron sinta? Or my
personal favorite.. tok, tok, tok, tok
                    palatok kikok (Am I right?)
                    alimango sa dagat
                    malaki at masarap
                    mahirap hulihin
                    sapagka't nangangagat

                          or
                    amy, susie and tessie
                    romeo, juancho and jose marie
                    I want singko
                    pambili ng puto
                    sa mga tindero ng bitcho-bitcho
                    tinga-ling-a-ling
                    statue!!!!

                          or the classic?
                    where is pinky?
                    where is pinky?
                    here I am, here I am
                    how are you today, sir
                    very well I thank you
                    run away, run away*
     * We used to sing this in kindergarten.... when you sing with
both of your hands at your back and pretending every finger is a
person greeting each other

       Do you guys remember this?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: know any filipino stereotypes?
Originator: tjehl@sedona
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:42:27 GMT


In article <BxHGDz.282@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ajpg1322@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Angelo J. Paguia) writes:
> abner@wente.llnl.gov (Abner F. Bello) writes:
> 
> >Well, Filipinos are known to be witty, intelligent,
> >good-looking and charming.  These are just stereotypes, but I
> >generally find these to be true of Filipinos.  Anyone care to
> >disagree?
> 
> Well, what about generous, loving, fun to be with, irresistible,
> considerate, well-informed, even-keeled, physically fit, and just
> darn attractive ?
> 
   I didn't see either of you guys mention modest.  My wife assures
me that this is a well documented trait of Filipinos.

Tim
-- 

"It really only matters to the people who care."
From: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Bato Bato Sa Langit......
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:32:42 GMT
Reply-To: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

First of all I would like to say to all "Bato bato sa langit,
ang tamaan huag magagalit. Someone got SICK when i posted the 
Adventure of KIKO...I wonder if he went and checked with his
"Gick" after getting SICK...once again "Bato bato sa langit ang
tamaan ay huag magagalit" Life is to short to have "aburidos".

Sagot sa palaisipan tungkol sa Kambing , manok at palay...

Suamkay sa banka kasama si kambing at si palay
Pag katawid iwanan si Palay bumalik kasama ulit si Kambing..
Pagkabalik sunduin si Manok at isabay na rin si Kambing....

At pag hinde pa umigi ang sulusyon na ito .....

Sumakay sa banka isama si manok iwanan si Kambing 
Pag dating sa kabila ng ilog IHAWIN si MANOK....yari siya
Pag hinde pa rin nabusog balikan si Kambing at Kalderetahen..


Boung pangalan ni Jose Rizal ? Jose Protacio Mercado Rizal you
can alsa add DIMASALANG and Tanay , Tanawan, San Mateo, Marikina
Taguig, Pasig, Pateros etc.,etc....

Once again BATO BATO SA LANGIT TAMAAN HUAG MAGAGALIT.........
Walang pikunan....pareho parehong mga PINOY......

ang inyong lingkod
jose carlos cruz
From: b35@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Ilag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Network Update
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:22:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University


	About 9 months ago, we initiated the creation of an informal
directory of Filipinos, majority of whom have email addresses.  The objective 
then was to link with each other in an effort to stimulate cooperation among
ourselves to help one another and our country.  The list now includes 59
people scattered all over the globe. The list includes undergrads, grad
students, postdocs, professors and professionals. THe field of work or area
of interest of the members of the list are diverse.  We even have one who
has returned to the Philippines.BTW even people without email access are
still encouraged to join.

	I noticed that there are a lot of new readers of the net and since
a new school year has started there must be a lot more new faces out there
who haven't had their voices heard.  The past week I've had several friends
looking for jobs as well as friends from the Philippines inquiring about
grad studies in the States. I realized that it's this time of the year
when graduating students begin to do their job searches or practical
training and when prospective graduate students start applying for grad school.
It then occured to me that this might be a good use of the list. There might
be someone in the list who might be in a particular school, state or city
whom you might ask for help for you or any friend who's moving for a new job
or attending a new school. 

	If interested in joining the list please furnish the information below
and send it to me. I will then include your name and send you
the list. For those who are already in the list, I'll send an updated
one in a couple of weeks. If you have any ideas how we could make the most
out of it feel free to voice out your suggestions.
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Name:
Position/Affiliation:
Area of Expertise/Research interest:
Other areas of interest:
e-mail:
Mailing Address:
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mail to b35@mace.cc.purdue.edu

THanks.
leod/vic
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From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Imelda Breaks Off Talks on Swiss Account
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:52:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Former first lady Imelda Marcos has
called off talks with the government over $356 million in Swiss accounts
after she was barred from visiting the tomb of her parents last All
Saints Day, her lawyer said Saturday.
	Antonio Coronel said the widow of ousted dictator Ferdinand Marcos
felt ``humiliated'' after soldiers prevented her from entering the
family's ancestral home in the central province of Leyte Nov. 1.
	Mrs. Marcos' latest move has stalled the proposed transfer of the
money, which Manila claims to be part of the Marcoses' alleged ill-
gotten wealth, to a local foundation that would finance public welfare
projects.
	The former first lady had earlier offered to waive her rights to the
amount and instructed Coronel to work out a compromise with Philippine
Attorney General Raul Goco.
	Mrs. Marcos faces dozens of criminal and civil suits tied to her
alleged role in the plunder of billions of dollars from the country
during her husband's 20-year rule.
	``Mrs. Marcos instructed me to hold off the discussions with Mr. Goco
until the government first shows its sincerity in the talks,'' Coronel
told UPI by telephone.
	``She went home to Leyte to clean the tomb of her parents and pay
them her respects on All Saints Day, but agents (guarding the compound)
told her she needed a clearance from Manila,'' Coronel said.
	``She was deeply hurt and humiliated in the presence of so many
people.''
	He added even if Mrs. Marcos was able to obtain a clearance, she
would have been allowed to enter only as an ``ordinary'' tourist.
	``What will she do there as a tourist,'' he said. ``She wanted to
visit, pray and clean the premises.''
	The sprawling compound in Leyte containing the graves was sequestered
by the government on suspicion it was part of the alleged stolen wealth.
	Soldiers have guarded the property after the Presidential Commission
on Good Government, tasked to recover the fortune, began digging the
area in search for treasures of gold believed hidden by the former
president.
	No gold has been found after more than a year of digging. Mrs. Marcos
claimed the excavations desecrated the graves. The government has
already agreed to return the property to the Marcoses, Coronel said.
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Someone to Talk with
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:22:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I am looking for someone to talk to from any one out of the United States

I am filipino 26 5'6 142 pounds

Are there any nice women that wants to meet me


I was raised and born is the US

I live in Union City, Ca

Or do you just want to be pen pals 

Please someone contact me just to talk

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: Filipino Club Networking, Bay Area
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:53:43 GMT

Did anyone ever think of networking with other clubs/organizations around
the Bay Area?  Well here's a chance for all of us to start talking!

I have access to the Berkeley clubs, please feel to email.

How about some sort of a joint event   (sporting contest often is a good
way of bringing some of us together) in the future?
From: francis@mpl.ucsd.edu (Francis C Felizardo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Noli Me Tangere
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:19:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: mpl.francis.85.0
Organization: Scripps Institution of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: kiko.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Nov12.161021.24648@schbbs.mot.com> CMIS27@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Roda Farrell) writes:

>Does anyone know if Noli is available in English?  I came to the US when
>I was 9 and have lost the ability to read Tagalog other than the basics.
>If anyone knows of any other Pilipino classics translated into English,
>please post or e-mail.

>Maraming salamat po.

There are several translations. The question is whether you'll find any 
here. My favorite english translation is Nick Joaquin's.

ORIGINAL TITLE          TRANSLATION TITLE

Noli Me Tangere         The Social Cancer
El Filibusterismo       Reign of Greed

   - Francis
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Francis C Felizardo                             francis@mpl.ucsd.edu
Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 0213	      (619) 534 1085
La Jolla, CA 92093-0213
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