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From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Loong list of Japanese BBSs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<1993Jan28.071259.19082@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:27:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.071259.19082@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry) writes:

   In article <RHB.93Jan27105811@world.std.com> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
   >Thanks for the list, but is this current? I ask because of all the
   >300bps modem speeds listed. The "fast" modems are 1200 and only an
   >occasional 2400 or 4800. I would have thought Japan would be current
   >with v.32bis technology everywhere.

   Guess again. When I told my 1200 bps client in Tokyo two months ago to
   get with the times and at least get 2400 bps they asked me what I was
   using. When I told them v.32bis (14.4 Kbps) they couldn't believe it.
   There is *nowhere* that I know in Japan that can do 14.4 Kbps. There
   are a handful of places that can do 9600. And I *stress* handful.
 

            Tad, I find this absolutely astounding. Perhaps the 300
            bps modems are too much of an embarrassment to make the
            "soudai gomi" pile? :-)

            RB


-- 
|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: Japanese Discriminations against foreigners?
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:11:57 GMT

In article <28132@sybase.sybase.com>
	herb@sybase.com (Herb Lison) writes:

>From reading of various threads in this newsgroup it
>seems that the Japanese are constantly discriminating against
>foreigners.

This is not true.

>In one year of living in Japan I never experienced any obvious
>discrimination, either in public or at work or any other venue.
>I was able to establish friendships (which last to this day) among
>both co-workers and people I met outside of work.
>
>	....[deleted]
>
>Perhaps Japan is a very different place today than it was in 1980.

No, it isn't. It remains the same, nice, kind and warm-hearted country.

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:21:44 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Y. MIshima
	<1jg7shINNcpu@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>

Mr. Ohtsuka writes:

.

>How un-Japanese of you to say that money doesn't matter! I am speechless.
>Lust for money is what defines Japanese culturally distinct from other
>groups.. 

It is not wise for you to say this Sir. There are many people who can
control their lust for material desire. I have eliminated my lust for
greed and to be unsatisfied. Yes! This is true. The Japanese or anyone
else can be content!

>I didn't realise that JC had to file a tax return to the authority
>of the Roman Empire Internal Revenue Service (SPQR IRS?). I got
>an impression that JC's total income was well within an exemption 
>permitted for individuals. Anyway, wasn't it his answer to someone
>who asked if it helps to be rich to get into a heaven.
>The Gospel accoding to Rikiya reveals that JC also taught us
>about the importance of a primary industry, fishing, and the
>value-adding as a name of game for earning income. 

Your education is not being used at this point. They didn't file at this time.
And, religious exemption? Ha! This is funny! Aren't you the individual
who wrote before about the kid on the bus saying, Piss off Jap, Piss
off!" 

Hey! How Ya' doing friend? Where ya' been? I thought that you took my
advise the
last time and those people from down under took you over and up! Well,
nice to hear from you. Your english is alot better! Wow! What ESL did
you go to?:))
Well back to:

No. No one asked the Christ if money will make it easier to get into
Heaven. Even, they had commonsense! The only thing that comes close is
the time when the rich young man asked The Master that if he could be a
disciple and The Mighty Amen said, "Give all that you have to the poor
and then you can(be a disciple"-paraphazed). The rich young man went
away weeping for he had alot. Then a disciple asked The Lamb of God,
"Can a rich man enter into the Kingdom of Heaven?" And, The Only
Begotten of God said, " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye
of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God!"

>The Gospel accoding to Rikiya reveals that JC also taught us
>about the importance of a primary industry, fishing, and the
>value-adding as a name of game for earning income. 
 
This is borderline insulting to me! There is no Gospel according to
Rikiya. And,
if you only got this out of what I said  then the University of Western
Austrailia is a "Ship of Fools!" I know that they can do a better job
than this.
And, I really don't appreciate this "JC" thing. But, that's between He and you!
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Where's the Beef ... From? (Was: honda: america's choice!)
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:24:57 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


=> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:
=> > [...]  By all means, buy Australian beef (for obvious selfish 
=> >reason) but go for the best price really for any of the import 
=> >beef. There is absolutely no reason to pay obscene amount of 
=> >money for paper-thin, flimsy, tasteless Japanese beef! 

I don't know...

I can't agree that Kobe, Matsusaka, or Yonezawa beef is tasteless
at all. The "cheap beef that ain't cheap" in Japan is not very
good, but the stuff that you pay "obscene" amounts for is often
very good quality... almost fork tender and very savory.

In Sukiyaki or Yakiniku you might not notice so much, but for
a Filet Mignon or sirloin steak, some of the best you'll find
is from cattle raised in Japan. My opinion, anyway.

(What's an obscene amount? Well... > Y7000 ($56) at a restaurant
or > Y800/100gr ($30/Lb.) at the supermarket.)

- Bill Lambert
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Honda: America's choice!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:02:15 GMT

I just want to add to this that the Ford F-Series truck is far and
away the best-selling *vehicle* in America. And you don't see those in
car-rental agencies.

RB

-- 
|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Speaking of Y. MIshima (Asano drops the big one)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:15:07 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <gfN3Yg600Vp808Nkdx@andrew.cmu.edu>, ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
> Mr. CMorton Writes: (in responses to me)
> 
> .
> 
>> Do you know that you may have committed the unforgivable sin? By
> 
>>>"Sin"?  What's that...?
> 
> When that fire and brimstone hits yo' Black ass you'll know what sin is
> then.  I bet you that!
> 
>> attributing to the Holy Ghost something that is evil. In this case, a
>> lie! You know that you were lying on God's Holy Word! You should
>> consider this. As for the Japanese University stuff- I have accepted
>> this fact for a long time. So, your continual
>> beagerring of this point is hopeless.
>> 
>>>As an agnostic I consider it irrelevant.  You should consider that
> your utter academic failure in Japan was a message.  I'm sure you won't
> though.
> 
> Really! Another one! What's going on here? Well, since you were in the
> rice patties of Hunguk then maybe I can talk to you more frankly. God is
> not a science. I can imagine how stoooooppidd you look when you say I 'm
> an Agnostic. I'm an Agnostic.  A religion where man's own understanding 
> is  God. No wonder you feel that if the Law doesn't catch you when you
> do wrong there is no consecquence.  There is no such thing. There is a
> life of which we all have after our time ends here. There no's , I CAN
> DO ANYTHING I WANT BECAUSE WHEN I DIED ITS ALL OVER.  It ain't over and
> ain't no fat lady gonna sing. But, there will a song and you will be the
> singer. And you'll sing ,  Lawd, Lawdy, Lawd, lawd! Plessse git mah
> Black ass out o' dis fire! I ma sorry Lawd! I ma sorry! Plessse git mah
> Black ass  o' dis fire! But,  it'll be too late! So,  you should start
> to re-eamine your ideas about this issue and be kind and considerate to
> others.  
> 
> Well,  I have to go now. But, I be back!

This was probably the most racist post I have seen from you yet.
Honestly, I will be very surprised if CMU doesn't revoke your posting
priviliges if someone sends them a copy of the above.  You should
really be ashamed of yourself.

I hope, after losing your net access, that you can find some other
way to vent your anger.  I wouldn't want you running into a McDonalds
and gunning innocents down for lack of an outlet...

RIP...that was the "big one" we've been waiting for.

Cheers,

Chris
From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Hatsu Basho (Senshuraku (last day))
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:41:25 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

It all boiled down to a very simple bout : Akebono - Takahanada. In a previous
bout Daishoyama had quickly disposed of Akinoshima, stepping aside at the
outset to send the top-maegashira down on all fours (in the process executing
a splendid full split). It was very quick : after charging with both hands
forward, Akebono grabbed Taka's throat and marched him out in seconds.
Yusho. Konishiki sent Kotonishki back to square one by winning his bout. 
He applied old favorite tactics of stability in the middle of the dohyo and
forward march and out, to deny the sekiwake a kachi-koshi majority of wins, 
and demote him to komusubi next tourney. Note that Wakashoyo was to obtain
a share of the fighting spirit prize (kanto-sho) if he won his bout. This
was rapidly done as he overpowered Kotofuji and marched him out after a
neutral outset. First prize for both Wakashoyo and Daishoyama. Wakahanada
showed he was worthy of his fourth ginosho (technique prize) by beating 
Kyokudozan, using the same efficient technique that had won him nine previous
bouts : going for the sash and keeping his hips extremely low. Note that
Musashimaru scored a very important tenth win, again displaying impressive
and overpowering sumo, grabbing Tochinowaka's throat and thrusting him out.
(Comments in a next post, with banzuke and wins).

Tochi'F(j) 9	Kiraiho	8
Ogi'H	8	Kyokugo	4
Kita	7	Kinazuma9
T'nami	10	K'W	6
Terao	6	Tatsu	2
Toyo'U	7	Mai'U	9
Ttoriki	5	Daizen	5
Wshoyo	10	KF	9
WHda	10	Kyokudo	8
Misugi	7	Tama	2
Mito	8	TomoeF	6
Nami'H	10	KuSU	7
DshoY	12	Aki'S	9
KasugaF	6	Tmisugi	4
Dshoho	4	Toki	3
Musashi	10	Tochi'W	8
KoN	10	KN	7
Akebono	13	THda	11


-- 
    __  _    
** ||_ /_| **   Fred "I'll be" Bach   (kddlab!ubspd.co.jp!tobac@uunet.uu.net)
** || /__| **   [Je suis athee, Dieu merci.]          Tel. 813-3597-1595
From: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt-Nihon Sun US Office)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: in (partial) defense of r
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:07:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempus.corp.sun.com

In article 16685@dosgate, "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com> () writes:
<=>EN> Mickey... CBC Newsworld carries a weekly review of "Japan Today" at
<=>EN> 7:00 am. Saturday..

<=>
<=>Thank you very much for the info, I'll try to tape the program.
<=>IMHO,  "Japan Today" deserves a better time slot than 7:00AM, Saturday.
<=>Those bureaucrats at CBC need to shape up.


I'd settle for 7:00 am any day of the week. Here in the San Francisco
Bay area it's shown at 2:30 am on CNBC (channel 31 on my cable). I
tape it and then play it back in the morning...


---
====================================================
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| (415) 688-9570 (Voice)    (415) 688-9025 (Fax)   |
|        "The map is not the territory"            |


Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: Re: U.S. Engineers in Japan
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:33:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.173101.26264@twg.com> hyung@twg.com (Henry Yung (The Last In Line)) writes:
> 1) Did you receive a lot of offers from companies who need
>    Japanese-speaking U.S. engineers?  I am trying to find out
>    if what the newspaper wrote is generally true or if the paper
>    was talking about just a few special cases.

I receive unprompted offers of engineering or translating jobs about once
every other month.  My history:  5 yrs studying the language, passed the
1992 Nihongo Nouryoku Ikkyuu exam, BSEE from UC Berkeley, two years
experience video coding research, one year technical translation
experience, currently pursuing an MSEE at U Tokyo.


> 2) How did you get your job working in Japan?  Did you pursue
>    the companies or did they pursue you?  Headhunters?

I find that the job offers come from people who I have worked with or
around.  I have not actively sought a job since my junior year in college.


> 3) Did you get the job because you speak Japanese?  Or
>    because of your engineering skills?  Or both?

Most cases are due to my Japanese skills, coupled with the fact that I
have studied engineering (whether I was skilled in engineering did not
matter).  Only two offers so far have been related primarily to my
capacity as an engineer.


> 	   Although I haven't actively pursued it, I am considering
> returning to Japan and work there for a few years.  What would be a good
> approach?  I know that there are headhunters who specialize in
> Japanese/U.S. recruiting but is that the right approach?  Would it be
> more fruitful to just send resumes to the major US/Japanese companies?

That depends on what kind of a company you want to work for.  The
headhunters probably specify what kinds of companies they target.  I
really don't know what to recommend, except perhaps for working your
personal network as much as you can.

I can, however, recommend what not to do:  There are some recruiting
conventions held a couple of times per year by a company called "Disco,"
exclusively for people with Japanese experience.  I have many friends who
attended these conventions, and their reports have invaribly been,
"They're only looking for Japanese who can speak english, or Nissei."  So
unless you fit into one of these two categories, your chances with Disco
are probably slim.

Dave
-----
David Wuertele, Yasuda Lab, Electronic Engineering, Institute of Industrial Science,
University of Tokyo.				dave@windsor.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: how to pay a small debt
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:56:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hello
 
I hope someone can help with these questions about paying
off a small debt.
 
A friend in Tokyo is buying a book for me.  The total cost
might be 5000 yen.  I need to find a way to get the money to
him, without a lot of conversion or service charges. 
Someone told me that I can buy a money order in dollars at a
post office in the United States, and he can turn it in at a
Japanese post office for yen.  Has anyone done this?  Are
there costs for the person in Japan?
 
Another idea is to ask my sister-in-law's family in Fukuoka
to send him a check.  But I've never seen anyone use money
except for cash and charge cards!  Do most people have
personal checking accounts, and would they pay bills this
way?  Would it cause trouble or expense for the check sender
or receiver?
 
Thanks for your help
Cathy
-- 
Cathy Atwood       Lincoln, Nebraska, U.S.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Via: uk.ac.leeds.scs; Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:16:59 +0000
Distribution: world
X-News-Gateway: NewsGateway@phaze.UUCP (NewsGateway 1.0 by Pierre Rioux)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:18:13 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk
To: usenet@phaze.cam.org
Cc: 
Subject: Yokozuna Akebono

I'm sure the news will be spreading out from Japan as I type, but the 
Guardian this morning reported that Akebono made Yokozuna.

It also reported that Konishiki had won 3 tournaments this year, but never
two in a row.

"This year"??????????? :-) Some wires crossed somewhere I think.

Ross-c
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Looking for a Japanese word processor !!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:40:12 GMT

BFLV@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BFLV) writes:

>Could anyone out there tell me the ftp addresses from which I can
>get a Japanese word processor for MS-DOS or Windows?

There's JWP for Windows at isfs.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
on ftpmail/srawgw.sra.co.jp/pub/misc.  Good luck.

BTW, I tried to reply to you through EMail, but the mail delivery system
didn't accept your address.

-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
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From: vetrima@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Shonen Knife
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:10:05 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Could anyone tell me if Shonen Knife is going to tour
the U.S. anytime soon and where. Also if someone could 
give me a list of all the albums they have made.



Thanks,


Enzo
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Recommend History Books/Authors?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:02:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

dcroz@twics.co.jp (David Crosslin) writes:

Quoting my comment on any baseball fan can applaud fine plays
and admire excellent ball players regardless whether he/she is
Japanese or not.

>     Not what I was talking about, and entirely irrelevant to the issue.

No, it is relevant. The statement shows quite clearly the constrast
in our opinion.  My position is a universalist, rosy, perhaps romantic
view that excellence in sports, or arts, science, for that matter,
sometimes help ordinary parochial people to overcome limitations.
You seem to deny any possibility of such uplifting experience for
Japanese because you believe that everything in Japan boils down to
the "our race agaist theirs" rivalry.

>     Sorry, but the *huge* body of evidence in Japanese newspapers, magazines,
>and TV (including the man-on-the-street interviews) proves conclusively that it
>is *you* who are off the mark.  I can support my remarks with hard evidence;
 
I am sure you could find amazing stories on those newspapers, magazines,
and TV programs. I would appreciate it if you could recycle some of
your huge body of evidence when you're done.

>you demand that everyone accept your word.  People will decide for themselves.
 
Sounds reasonable to me. If my logic and reasoning are sound, people
might even agree with me.

>     I suspect you didn't take in much Olympic coverage in the Japanese
>vernacular media.

I saw part of Albertsville Winter game coverage on NHK but that does
not qualify as "vernacular" media, does it? 

>                  Either that, or your remarks are intended to mislead those
>who either didn't see any or don't speak Japanese.

>     Like I said, I've got the evidence; you've got only your denials.  The
>only question is, are you deliberately prevaricating, or just out to lunch?

????
Normally people assume that the speaker/writer is telling truth
best of his or her knowledge when they engage in conversation.
(Was it Searle who defined it a cooperative principle?) When you
do not accept someone else's utterances with good faith, it must
must be a whole different world where you live.

>     [Keis-chan fouls out to the (extreme) right-field stands.]

Wait a minute, I thought we're playing baseball!!
How could I possibly "foul out" when I fouled (hit a ball beyond
a foul line) to the extreme right-field stands? Neither the catcher
nor the first base player, nor right fielder can get over a
fence and catch a ball inside the (extreme) right-field stands!
Show me the baseball rule book that says hitting a foul into
the right-field stands is OUT?!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: If Perry hadn't sailed...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:19:08 GMT

warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:

>In article <1k49ut$ps7@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) wrote:
>> [If there was no U in the US], Perry
>> would never have sailed for Japan, and Japan would continue to be the 
>> prefectural confederacy that it was in essence before the Meiji Restoration.

>If Perry had never sailed for Japan, the HMS Roastbeef or
>la Grenouille Conquerante would have done more or less the same thing.

More likely to have been the Russians. Admiral Putyatin's squadron was
already on its way when Perry arrived off Edo.

>On the other hand if Japan had somehow decided not to persue Asian
>expansion in the 1930's, would China have become Communist, 

Probably

>would Japan
>have become such a great economic power, 

Probably

>would Korea be united, etc?

Yes, but it would continued to have had a Japanese colonial status,
and quite possibly have ended up like Vietnam, Afganistan, .......


-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: ekato@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Eiko Kato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: rie miyazawa and takahana
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:07:59 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS

I saw the news today of Rie announcing officially that she was no longer
engaged to Takahanda today.  I had the notion after watching it that
Takahanada was not trying enough to make this thing work.  I'm sure that
there must have been a lot goin' on, but being a fan of Rie-chan,  I
can't help wondering why this happened. :(

Erika
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Japanese name !! 
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:08:20 GMT

In article <C18CA1.4x4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> aijuin@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ruler of the Sun) writes:
>ksbeh@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Tere K.S. BEH) writes:
>>Sorry guys and gals.  I would like to know how can I tell by 
>>his or her name if he/she is a guy or a gal . Just curious.
>>Is there any formula for it ? (hee)
>
>A safe bet that if a name ends with -ko, it's a feminine name.

"You hear that, Umihiko?"
"Sure did, Yamahiko."

# well, "-hiko" is a masculine postfix.  Masahiko, Yoshihiko, Fumihiko,...

Not about any formula, but note there are quite a few names which
can be used for either a boy or a girl.
Examples: Hiromi (as in Gou Hiromi :-), Masami, Chiaki, Chinatsu,
Chiharu, Kaoru, Misao, Hozumi,....

Some can be distinguished by the kanji, but in other cases,
they are totally ambiguous (androgynous? :-)

-YH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan