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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: The A600 uses PCMCIA, here's why...
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 23:45:47 GMT

In article <g0q8RB4w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:

>Here in Sweden a small company called Hotline have developed a 
>fax-modem that fits in entirely in the PCMCIA. Not bad, eh?

  Intel has announced the same thing.  They are a not-so-small company
in the US. :-)

>
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Pretty good .sig for ASCII characters.  I had to stand 5 feet back from the
computer for best effect though. :-)

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Toaster for Falcon?
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 19:03:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>My roomate, an Atari user feels that the time is long overdue for New-Tek to c
r
>oss over to other platforms. I calmly told him that the Toaster is dependant o
n
> the Amiga's unique architecture, but he wouldn't shut up. Can anybody settle 
t
>his for us?

Yes. Tell him you agree not to cross onto his side of the room if he agrees
to this arangement as well.

>Although the Falcon is a pretty good computer....

I'll bet every one of the tramiels signed the inside of the case. Particularly
Sam.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rebel without a clue.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: To all Amigans!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:46:33 GMT

In article <runehy.1.717762204@dhhalden.no>, runehy@dhhalden.no (RUNE HYLDMO) writes:
> To all Amigans!!!
> 
> That was fun....
> 
> I mean the replies I got by writing the article "to all amigans, real 
> Falcon specs."
> 
> Some of you got the point and that was that I was fooling around with your 
> emotions. I guess I was pretty successful in making you angry. Great!
> 
> I must admit some of you have actually got a great sence of humor and take 
> the my articles for what they are... provokative (is that word right?). 
	No, the word is provocative.
> As for you who did not understand that I was kidding... Try to read the 
> text more carefully before you get angry. Then you will understand that 
> some of the arguments are written for fun.
> 
> Another thing....
> 
> A guy from Finland wrote that they had Santa Claus there...
> 
> Then he must have been kidnapped... He is originally from NORWAY you see.
> 
> Therefore I have called in Interpool and the Norwegian secret service on 
> the matter!!!
> 
> To all the people of Finland. We want SANTA CLAUS back before dawn or else 
> we will get NATO to nuke you off the map.
	Actually, I do NOT think NATO haas any nukes.  The nations that belong
to NATO do, but I think it violates NATO law to use nukes.  (They can't even 
fire back in self defense at what was formerly Yugoslavia.)
> Greetings from 
> 
> Rune Hyldmo
> 
> O.k so ATARI do not rule then... but hopefully they will soon.....
	I don't think anything rules the computer market more than total,
abject stupidity.  (Just count all of those IBMs.)
> Have fun using your computer and do not start bashing it because a guy 
> writes a provokative article (god I just hope I am writing that word right.
> Even though the Amiga is not good for much else....
	I am not God, or even  a minor deity of grammar.  BUT, you did mis-
spell provocative.
> See ya.... 
>
>  
-- 
	Not if I see you first :-)
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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Atari - Feast or Famine?
Keywords: On the third page of the business section...
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:36:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

Atari announced the closing of its Dallas office today. Of course,
there were the usual disclaimers about how the 40 engineers working
there would be relocated to the Silicon Valley site. They also
stated this would not affect the Falcon's rollout...

CHUCKLE CHUCKLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: a4000
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:01:35 EST


SS>I swear that I've not heard this much whining about a C= product in the
SS>nearly seven years that I've had an Amiga!  And what is really pitiful
SS>is the way that the A3000 owners are crying about the AGA chipset not
SS>fitting in their machines.  Are people really so pathetic?

SS>The folks at C= worked too hard on improving the Amiga too have so many
SS>jerks act like a bunch of whining brats.  Hell, if that is the response
SS>that C= gets when they introduce a new machine it is no wonder that new
SS>Amigas are so few and far between.

 I agree that Commodore has to upgrade the Amiga even at the cost of
compatibility. But considering the A3000 should have been released with
the new graphics chips instead of taking an extra year for the A4000 and the
design of the A3000, you would think it would be possible to replace a mother
board or something.
 
 I think Commodore will release an entirely new line of AGA Amiga machines. They
will offer trade in prices like they do every year, so Amiga users can upgrade
to an AGA machine. A3000 users will probably get a slightly better deal since
it's a more expensive model.
 
 Although I still think it would be a great Idea for Commodore to offer mother
board upgrades like Apple used to do.  

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: FACTS? (was: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS)
Date: 25 Sep 92 08:49:28 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: n

In article <1992Sep22.055118.18571@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> rittle@supra (Loren James Rittle) writes:
>In article <u894776.717116148@bruny> u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:
>>FACT: The amiga4000 is not affordable.

>How on earth is this a fact?  It may be a fact of life that some
>people can't afford an A4000, but many people I know could walk
>into a computer store sometime next week (or next month depending upon
>when the A4000's get there), plunk down a VISA and say, ``charge it''.

Really.  Of course the A4000 is affordable.  You only have to buy it once.  If
you're upgrading, you already have software for it.  You take it home, write a
magazine article or two on it, and before you know, it's paid for.  That's kind
of how I get my "not a C= freebie" toys.

What's unaffordable are CD players.  Every stinkin' time I got to Sam Goody I
wind up plunking down $100-$200 for a stack of these 4" round shiny things.
When I was heavily into photography, I was constantly spending money on new
lenses, film, the deadly CibaChrome and E-4 chemical kits (well, it was 
awhile ago), etc.  I probably spend $1000 a year in tuition, camp, asprin, and
sportscream doing Aikido.  I suppose I spend another $1000 or so doing other
sports related things (YMCA membership, bicycle repairs, new snorkling gear,
etc).  So you put up $3000 every 2-4 years for a new computer.  Greg puts up
big piles of money to keep his Gyrocopter working.  If you have a hobby other
than "vegetable", you probably have to spend some money on it (it should go
without saying, but since this is c.s.a.a. I'll say it anyway, that if you're 
a business, you get what you need and you aren't complaining about the A4000 
cost here).  When I look at the actual costs for my Amiga stuff, this looks 
like a pretty cheap hobby, really.  

>Max. 16MB of fast RAM on the motherboard seems a bit constrained to me.

I know other systems have more, but really, does anyone (ok, anyone besides
Chris Green) really use that kind of RAM in everyday work.  I have 18MB at
home, 22MB at work, and I can't remember the last time I dropped down to
less than 5-6 MBs doing anything.  And we're talking about GNU Emacs, resident
compilers, "Assign INCLUDE: RAM:INCLUDE", megadiskbuffers, multiple Pro-Pages,
Pro-Draws, and PageStreams, POST, etc.  

-- 
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conversations with my buddy.
Keywords: Amiga Windows PC
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:23:47 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep29.145447.6880@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> papo@pyuxf.uucp (25241-anaya) writes:

>* Desk Top Publishing

>This part hurted a lot when he was explaining to me how he did 
>a project about Database Integrity with Xdraw (sp?) and MS-Word. 

Nothing you couldn't have done with various DTP tools on the Amiga 
(Professional Page/Draw, PageStream, Pro-Vector, etc.).  Several Amiga 
wordprocessors will give you the same quality text and line graphics,
but I don't know any WP that can integrate vector drawings, you seem
to need DTP for that right now (it has been proposed that some vector
drawings could be reproduced in FinalCopy via an AREXX macro, but 
there's no handy import for it yet).

>The quality of the typesetting in the Laser Printer he was using 
>(VAX/VMS Laser Printer connected to a PCMA (sp?) Network, PC in network
>use VAX's services) was suberb, "booklike one".  

Sounds just like the stuff I produce, designed on an Amiga, printed ironically
enough on an DEC laser printer hooked to our local Ethernet.

>However he said that the printing quality of an Amiga DTP package was 
>"blocky" because the way the Amiga recreate the letters on the paper. 

Maybe back in 1986, but I don't know of any Amiga DTP program, or for that
matter WP program, that can't produce decent PostScript output (PostScript
output is what made the PC program's output look good).

>I have heard marvels about PageStream (I have version 1.something) specially
>that has one of the best outputs in the Amiga platform.  Can anybody
>care to comment??   

PageStream's output is certainly "book quality" on a PostScript printer.  Like
several others (Pro-Page, Final Copy), PageStream also attempts to get very
good quality output on non-PostScript printers (Dot Matrix, HP-PCL).  It seems
to succeed.

>Apple does'nt consider the Amiga as a competitor, neither the Pee Cee 
>community.  

To publicly acknowledge any competitor is to, in some ways, equate yourself
with that competitor.  If you don't want to put that notion of parity in your
customer's minds, you don't mention that competitor.  No matter how much you
may actually find them to be a competitor in reality.  


-- 
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 "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
              "I got a pocket full of kryptonite" -Spin Doctors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jamesb@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Basonge James)
Subject: Toaster for Falcon? 
Reply-To: jamesb@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:07:13 GMT

What if New-Tek developed a Toaster for the Falcon? With the economical advantage of the Falcon, could there possibly be a video studio that costs less than $3500? What would happen to the Amiga if there was a Falcon Toaster that was cheaper and faster than an Amiga Toaster?

My roomate, an Atari user feels that the time is long overdue for New-Tek to cross over to other platforms. I calmly told him that the Toaster is dependant on the Amiga's unique architecture, but he wouldn't shut up. Can anybody settle this for us?

He insists that the Falcon architcture is much too revolutionary for New-Tek to ignore, and is graphically superior than the Amiga. He thinks that he can convert me in to an Atari user. Although the Falcon is a pretty good computer....

	Peace,
	Basonge
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: Atari BLiTTER
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:36:09 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <1992Oct1.114154.7506@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>	In Finglish: you can't have different modulos for both sources
>and the destination on Atari blitter.
True, but what would be the use of that anyhow ? 

Nat!



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: toaster for falcon
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:16:35 EST

-> My roomate, an Atari user feels that the time is long overdue for
-> New-Tek to cr

 It took NewTek 4 years to develop the Video Toaster for the Amiga. They
have stated a number of times that it isn't worth porting over to the
IBM or Mac Formats and isn't nesassary since they are selling thousands
of units to IBM and Mac users with an interface. And if they were going
to spend another 4 years developing a new Video Toaster it would be for
an IBM or Mac before an Atari Falcon.
 v
 Tell that to your Atar hopeless roomate!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:41:05 GMT

In article <harry.02mz@elfuerte.fipnet.fi> harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen) writes:
> > The DSP does little to improve the Falcon. Are you saying that the NEXT is
> > a bad machine.

The NeXT hardware is nothing to write home about. They'd have done better
to use a commodity RISC chip instead of the 680[34]0 and DSP. It's the
software that makes the NeXT great.

I's funny you mention the NeXT, BTW. The NeXT software is basically AmigaOS
on steroids. Mach and the Amiga exec have a lot of design concepts in common.

> > If you do not think that is a problem, then why did the ST (not STE) sell
> > so much when the Amiga costed only $ 200 more.

It came out 6 months earlier. I ditched mine for an Amiga as soon as I could.

> > The Amiga is and was a
> > better machine than the ST so thats no excuse. WhaT we are talking about is
> > $ 2 201 more for the A4000 That WILL stop almost everbody who is not
> > filty-rich or a spoiled asshole from bying the A4000.

That's OK. They'll buy A3000s. Or save even more money and get A600s. I'd take
an A600 over a Falcon, personally. It's that software thing again.

> > Where are those developers that made the A500??

> Now, what are theirs names?  These things are hard to believe.

I think he's talking about Jay Miner, who designed the Atari 800 and Amiga 1000.

> > What is the best product CBM ever made?

Amiga 1000.
-- 
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 `-_-'   "Segodnja volka obnimal?"
  'U`
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:17:43 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
 <u894776.717825905@bruny> <92274.092758DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <35501@cbmvax.commodore.com>

In article <35501@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George
Robbins) says:

>In article <92274.092758DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> In article <u894776.717825905@bruny>, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (One Way
>> Mail) says:
>>
>> >gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>
>> >        The trouble as I see it is that the engineers that commodore/amiga
>> >had were *too* experienced with well structured, hard disk dependent
>>
>> I used an Amiga with one floppy (no hard drive) from '85-'87, so I know
>> how unusable it is. AmigaDOS is designed for hard drives, plain and simple.
>> I don't think there's any chance of that changing.

>I don't know why you would claim this.  The Amiga was around for a long time
>with *no* hard disks.  Remember the A1000?  Commodore never even sold a hard
>drive for this system though eventually we gave up on thrird party attempts
>(remember Tecmar?) and did a prototype of what eventually became the A2090
>controller.

Sure, I know that. That doesn't change the fact that AmigsDOS has always
(and will always) suck without a HD. When you boot from a floppy the system
basically treats it like a 880K hard drive -- important assigns like C:
and LIBS: stick to that disk unless laboriously changed. That's perfect
for a hard drive setup, but dismal for floppy use. 2.0 is slightly better
than earlier versions in this regard (at least a real CLI is in ROM), but
still leaves rather basic commands like DIR in C:. Note: I'm not
complaining. Anyone without an HD _today_ deserves misery.
From: peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 25 Sep 92 12:37:58 GMT
Reply-To: peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna)
Organization: Commodore-Amiga, Inc.  West Chester, PA.

In article <1992Sep21.070205.20746@ultb.isc.rit.edu> eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:
>Can we do dual playfield scrolling, bliting and 
>reuse sprites with some kind of performance?  Certainly we won't be
>stuck with the same old crappy nonexistent Double buffering support and
>hardly usable Gel system??

Some of the operations you mention have always been pretty high-performance.
Our graphics engineers, by the way, take a lot of pride in the performance
boosts they were able to achieve.  The biggest boost is probably in
ScrollVPort() (I think Chris Green told me it's faster by a factor of 20).

Double-buffering support is great under 3.0.  The most important aspect of
this is we now have double-buffering function calls in graphics and intuition
libraries, that you can use with custom viewports or custom screens
respectively.  This hides a lot of the headache from you, plus gives you
assurances of compatibility with future displays.

The calls also handle synchronization messaging, to allow highest possible
performance without glitching.  Also, you can triple or multiple buffer
just as easily, if you like.

The Intuition calls even allow you to double-buffer in a screen which
has menus or even some gadgets.  

We've clocked these calls at 2000 or 3000 or more frames per second.  Now
of course you don't need that many frames per second, but it does mean
that a single call takes only 1/2000 or 1/3000 of a second, leaving
you the balance of your frame to do your rendering for the next frame.

Blitting is faster on the A4000 due to the fact that in comparable
modes, there are many more chip bus cycles free (since video fetch uses
1/4 the cycles it used to, for a comparable mode).  The blitter helps
itself to those newly freed cycles, and you can really notice the difference.

Also, a lot of other miscellaneous functions got a lot faster, particularly
all the layering functions.  As well, you'll see speedups in a number
of the graphics rendering calls, window border redraw, and so on.

Gels are a little on the complex side, but much of that problem was due
to the lack of a good example.  The 1.3 RKM (and now the 2.0 RKM) contains
a good working example that's a lot clearer than anything of old.  Also,
BOBs are simpler than GELs, and do a lot of what you might need.

>Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and

     Peter
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"I believe it's bad luck to be superstitious."

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 but NO AUDIO
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:33:03 GMT

e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:

>In article <0ekpbzq00WBL44RlR1@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:

>>Put in 16 bit stereo on the low end and add DSP on the high end.  If
>>thats the lowest common denominator, the quality of life (and MUSIC)
>>will improve.
>>Make your machine the REAL TIME machine: R/T Video, R/T audio.  (Yes,
>>even games will improve).
>>

>Just wait until chistmas and you'll have it all...

>/Stefan
>===============================================================================


 Hi Stefan,
	   will you eat a floppy disk if we don't ?   :) :) :)


 Mubashir.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: TO TONY POOLE (Should Atari Discussions Be Allowed?)
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:11:31 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1abg93INN7ho@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
>
>   I just checked back into the group for some quick reading and just had to
[complaining REMOVED!]

Nice post.....I really didn't want to have it blip across my screen 5 times
though....

he read and replied....lay off...

Jim Martin
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