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From: sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date:  7 Apr 92 01:49:24 GMT

gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:

>sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors) writes:
>>A 68040 does 3.5 MIPS as opposed to the 1.7 of an intel 80486. I think
>>you'll find the 68040 based platform beating the 80486 ased one in serious
>>applications.

>Are these speed figures accurate.  I had heard values like 15 and 20 MIPS
>for the 486 and 040.

Yes Gerald, I was so infurated by that absolute crap that Full-a-shit Patel
or whatever his name is that I typed MIPS instead of MFLOPS. That's
'040's 3.5 MFlops as opposed to the '486's 1.7 MFlops.

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From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Amigas Announced!!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:09:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Mike_Whalen.0bwi
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Mon 13 Apr 92 19:44, Alex@bilver.uucp (alex Matulich)
wrote:

>  Wait.. you actually LIKE Panther Urine (read: American Beer). What about
>Guiness Extra Stout?

 AM> Wait.. you actually LIKE road tar??

  Hold it.. you actually LIKE Nose Juice?

>  Jeez.

 AM> Ditto.

  GOLLY!


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From: har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What to do about CBM
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:16:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr8.031611.18778
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <mykes.2407@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
[suggestion that we boycott C=]

Might I suggest a slightly different approach?

Only buy top-of-the-line systems, and only when they are on sale.

This avoids "the amiga isn't making any money any more, let's ditch
it" but gets some clues.

And folks, *buy* amiga unix. It's an incredibly incredibly good deal.

And it's out - I took one home last Friday.

>Author of Amiga GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle,
>and Genesis Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024

-s
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From: har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:49:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr9.224927.15625
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr9.192658.11627@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>murphy@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (William J. Murphy) writes:
>>On DOS, I have never seen
>>a mainstream compiler that could be used as a TSR, so you have to 
>>load the compiler for each file you are compiling.  What a joke!

>Well, I guess UNIX is a joke because "make" usually loads the compiler
>for each file in the project.

No, it doesn't. Not on a well-designed system.

Make asks for the compiler. The chances are, the compiler hasn't yet been
dumped from memory, so mmap() or whatever just uses the existing copy.

On my "wimpy" amiga, I've compiled about a megabyte of source code with
*no* disk access, 'cuz the compiler, the assembler, and the source were
all in the pseudo-disk-cache. Thus, I could compile the *whole* thing with
one disk access - that of make reading its makefile.

Let's see your DOS clone do *that*.

>As for DOS, *please* try not to post derogatory remarks about things of
>which you have no knowledge.  Take a look at any Borland compiler and 
>tell me it can't be made resident.

Oh, well, hate to disappoint you, but us grunts don't get to *choose* a
compiler. We're handed one and told we *must* use it. Period... And here
I sit, stuck working with MS C.

>>Bill Murphy

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Jerre, *PLEASE* trim your .signature. Some sites have a 4-line maximum,
enforced by inews - this is why. Sheesh! Us old folks who work on greenscreens
because we can't afford a brand new 486 box to use as a terminal are stuck
with a third of our screen taken up by one bleeding signature!

-s
ps: Drummers do it too quickly and very repetitively. :)
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I use an amiga because it works better than all the other machines I tried.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:43:41 GMT

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>Curious.  How do you know his A1000 does not have these features?  There are
>>many upgrade paths for the A1000, including replacing its motherboard with
>>an A2000-type board.
>
>He didn't say he had upgraded.  He said his 1000 was from 85/86.  Although a
>late 86 1000 would have extra half brite, one from 85 would not.  If he had
>upgraded his motherboard, then the machine would not be from 85/86, it would
>be a 1000 CASE with a 91 motherboard.  Also, the same argument would hold true
>in the reverse if you were to replace an 1982 PC with a 1992 486DX
>motherboard.  IF he had upgraded, his argument would be moot, because the
>whole point of the statement was trying to say that his 1985 1000 could do
>everything that new amigas can today.  Which it obviously cannot.

I doubt he was playing these word games.  If he purchased the A1000 in 1985
or 1986, then he probably calls it an 85/86 machine whether he upgraded or
not.  This seems reasonable to me.  (Where did the guy run off to, anyway!)
If he did upgrade, this in no way invalidates his point.  What other computer
can be upgraded so that its first machine runs all current software?

-- Gerald
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From: gt2862c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeff Tham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:35:23 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <sctconno.702516586@kraken> sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors) writes:
>nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>
>>And Holland said his brother told him the 486 is just a 386 with a cache. Obviously, his brother does not work much with a 486. The 486 does have RISC architecture on it, it has a built in FPU, a better MMU, and something the 040 does
>>not, multiprocessor ability. 
>
>Isn't it nice to see someone so unbiased *NOT!!*. YOu are implying that the
>'040 doesn't have a built in FPU or MMU, when in actualy fact it does. It's
>also nice to note that the '040's FPU is more that double the speed of the
>80486's one (80486's 1.7MIPS vs 68040's 3.5). And I'm *VERY* sorry to 
>disappoint you, but the 68030, and 68040 have support for multiprocessing
>built in.
>

He was comparing the 486 to a 386, not a 040. Relax a little. BTW, since
when did Commodore has a 040 Amiga out? And don't tell me accelators.
I'll like to buy a A3000 now, but not for the $2000+ Commodore wants for it.
If Commodore really wants to stay around for the next few years, they need
to seriously revamp their marketing and pricing policies. Don't get me wrong,
I think the Amiga is a very nice machine, but too expensive for what it is and
how much support it has. Later...

Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls)
Subject: Re: Intel HW
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:33:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.043635.11118@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>Well, if the Intel-based machine cannot even hope to compete, then why does
>>*my* 386 clone consistently perform better than a comparably equipped A3000?
>
>How are they suitably equipped (i.e., what hardware does each system have)?
>Curious.

               A3000                          PC386

cpu            68030-25                       80386-25
fpu            68882-25                       80387-25
RAM            6M                             8M
Bus            Zorro III                      ISA
HD             52M Quantum SCSI               80M ??? IDE
Video          Native Amiga                   SVGA
Audio          4 Voice, 8 bit                 1 beep
Ethernet       16 bit                         16 bit 
floppy         3.5" 880k                      3.5" 1.44M, 5.25" 1.2M
OS             AmigaOS 2.04                   MS-DOS 5.0
mouse          Amiga                          Logitech

>-- Gerald

Skip Sauls                     //    Graduate Student & Instructor
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu    \X/     CS Department, University of Mississippi
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom"
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:12:59 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>justin@graphlab.cc.uky.edu  (Justin Sullivan) writes:
>>They aren't "postage stamp sized," but they aren't full screen.
>>This is true. And we're decompressing JPEG.. 
>
>Say, do you have any file-size/playback comparisons for animations
>compressed under QuickTime with this JPEG, vs ANIM OPT 5, or Autodesk's
>.FLI or .FLC?
 
Hmm, I wonder if all his anims are JPEG.  QT has several compression modes:
JPEG for natural photos, an Autocad/Amiga RLE style for computer anims,
a video compression mode for digitized movies, and more types to come.

Comparisons aren't always directly possible.  They depend on your purpose,
what your hardware can do, and what your OS and apps support.  Do you need 
full-screen?  Double-buff'd?  To tape?  To overlapping resized window?  Etc.

Re: FLI to QT.  There's a company who makes a QT movie converter, so that
you can play them back on lowend Macs, Windows PCs, and SparcStations.
It's something like $200.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: johnsd2@rs6212.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: AppleEvents, how to they work?
Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu
Organization: Information Technology Services, Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.215609.3111@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, markb@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Brezina) writes:
|> In article <56869@cup.portal.com> Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes:
[deletia- example of how Apple Events do not work]
|> >*IF* this is the case, then as a user I prefer the AREXX method.
|> >An application's AREXX interface should provide the same
|> >functionality as the GUI, but is specifically tailored for a
|> >command line/script environment.  e.g. To get App A to tell
|> >app B to open a file, one does:
|> >
|> >   open "filename"
|> >
|> 	You obviously have never programmed Apple Events.  It is quite common
|> to send an open document command from one application to another.  The actual
|> message consists of a few message identifiers and attached buffers.  One app
|> does tell the other to bring up the Open dialog, insert the file name, click
|> OK etc.  It simply tells it to open the file.
|>

You mean does *NOT* right? Hope so. And don't be too hard on the poor
boy, he was just listening to my rotten explaination and got confused.
 
|> 	The difference between Arexx and AppleEvents is that with Rexx you 
|> create an external script file to control the application.  With AE's you 
|> must embed the messages within an application, you can't execute an arbitrary
|> script file.  AppleEvents are NOT a language, it is a protocol.  (an in my
|> opinion a hack). 

Correct. However, from my understanding, w/ ARexx u (or some programmer)
must imbed the messages inside of the programs in exactly the same way
as you must w/ Apple Event [right? right?]

Apple Events is not a scripting language. One *IS* commercially availiable
(Frontier), and with THAT you can write scritps and so on. And who knows,
Apple might get off its duff and release AppleScript.

But why is Apple Events a hack? Barring that its not a scripting language,
which IMHO is beside the point.

[deletia- repetetive stuff, not worth worring about]
|> 
|> 	Rexx is much more powerful and flexible than Apple Events.
|> 

I can't imaging why you'd say this as they are not the same sort of thing.

From what I have heard (such as it is) Apple Events are a stronger core
technology for this sort of thing that the ports that Rexx uses, but
does Rexx provide this technology? If not, they you are comparing Apples
and Amigas no, no wait that's Oranges...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 040 and 486 and nap42487 knows nothing about CPUs.
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:43:30 GMT

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[Intel is a kludge]
>
>When you ever have programmed
>Intel and Motorola (or MOS) processors both in assembler and don't get
>this strong impression, then you must come from another planet.
>			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow.  For a man of your education, a PhD, your attitude sure is arrogant.

>
>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:55:29 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>	You want me to spend $200 more on a system that has 4 times less ram,
>  4 times less HD space, slower CPU, and no 8 bit graphics.  Plus has a lot less
>  software available for it. 
>

Curious.  Who wants you to buy an Amiga?  The Amiga, like anything else, is
for people who can afford it.

-- Gerald
From: bret@technix.mn.org (Bret Indrelee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 040 and 486
Keywords: 68040,80486,486,040,benchmarks
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:38:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: technix.1992Apr12.183814.27932
Organization: Technix Inc., St. Paul, MN, USA

In article <1992Apr11.195629.9933@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>The following are a series of benchmarks performed on a 25 MHz 040 with
>128K external cache and a 25 MHz 486 with 128K external cache.
>
[ Numbers deleted, text saying numbers about same for integer deleted ]

Would you mind posting what machine these were run on.  Machine architechure
(or in some cases architorture) can have a large effect on performance.

Also, all of these numbers were close enough where a difference in compilers
(or even compiler switches) would change the results.  Do you know what
compilers were used?

-Bret

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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:22:01 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.131648.7075@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>: In article <314@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>: 
>: [CDTV's use of nonstandard PCMIA...]
>: That's what management is paid to do. If they can't forsee the trends with
>: fair probability then they shouldn't be there. What else do they do?
>
>I may not love the fact that it DID happen, but that's overdoing it a
>
>Peoples' memories are so short.  Better spend some of those paperclips
>Mike Mellinger talks about and buy another 4mb.  ;)

	The IMPORTANT question is whether, now that we know what the
spec is like are they gonna USE it on the new CDTV's ? It is time to
cut the losses on this mistake and get with the mainstream.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:50:53 GMT

gfm@ccs.northeastern.edu (george f mcbay) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>Perhaps.  My comment about the Toaster was an aside.  The point, quite
>>simply, is that an A2000/040 is much cheaper than an A3000/040 combo.
>
>	Maybe so but that statement isn't as clear as it seems.  First
>getting an A2000 means you dont get the fully-32 bit bus, which means
>operations will be slower with comparable chips, especially if the new
>ECS that commodore is supposedly working on is 32-bit or will at least
>take advantage of higher speeds.  Second, anyone with an 040 is almost
>definatly going to want a Hard Drive, an A3000 has the SCSI controller 
>build in, and some form of a hard drive (40/50/100/200 megs, I think 
>depending upon exact configuration).  Third, the A3000 has the full curent
>ECS built in, including the 2 meg Agnus, and you can put more memory right
>on the motherboard than a 2000 can handle without some sort of hardware hack.
>Add to this the A3000's built in display enhancer too...

Yes, this is all true, but it is beside the point.  No one is saying that
an A2000 has all the features of an A3000.  The A2000 is cheaper, and the
upgrades may easily be added later.  Many of them, such as the ECS and 2meg
Agnus, are not needed by any current software.  How much does an 040 board
for the A3000 cost?  I will have to check...

-- Gerald
From: dano@usl.edu (Dan Stephenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:49:18 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana

sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors) writes:

>aissmith@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Doug Smith) writes:

>>kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:

>>>Most Amiga owners here are mature, intelligent people... and can give
>>>decent arguments without bashing someone.  Try it, you might like it.

>>I used to do that often - quite often - too often in fact.  To be brutally
>>honest, there is a stark difference between Amiga and IBM owners.  Amiga
>>owners tend to look into things and don't follow blindly (thats probably
>>why they own Amigas over IBMs) whilst IBM owners tend to be geeky people
>>who just follow the croud.  I have *NEVER* seen an IBM owner offer
>>truthful facts in an argument against Amigas.  Its either lies (stretched
>>truths mostly) or plain insults.  They just don't listen to anything
>>rational/sensible you have to say.  There are many people I know who have
>>also derived this same conclusion independantly.  They'll back me up.
>>Anyway, I'm so used to their behaviour that when I see something *SO*
>>rediculious and off-the-mark as that, I lash out - and it usually works. ;-)

>If any PC owners tries to spin their "PC's rule because they're the only
>serious machine" CRAP on me - then watch out! I don't stop until they
>either shut up or capitulate.

>>>It's all up to you as to how you wish to be viewed.

>>As I said - I gave up on rational debate long ago - I now handle the abuse 
>>department.  It almost works.

>*ha!* As for how you want to be viewed, if you want to be a sheep with no
>brains - get a PC. 

You sure are not fitting Kevin Darling's model of an Amiga user.
You sound like a hypocrite.

-Dan
.

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