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Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 11:28:30 EDT
From: <MYNLG@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: What's the situation is like?

   Hello there,
What is  the situation is like in KTM these days? The same sh
t (strike) started again ! I also heard that people are getting stabbed everyev
re, places like in KTM, Pokhra, Biratnagar etc. What the f??kis wrong with our
country? I sometime feel that every Nepali should be shot so that it's possible
to start all over again!!

Where are you Umesh Shrestha?
Stop fucking around in Wyoming>>


<<N.Maskey>>
From: kumarv@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: FOR YAGNA !
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:09:40 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia


Sorry again, but this is in raply to Yagna R. Pant's posting.

	As my directory(allocated by the Uni in the VAX) is full
could you post something again to kumarv@topaz.ucq.edu.au.
So that I can reply to you in his REPLY mode. (He can't mail
directly he doesn't have that privelege).
			       Regards,
				Ami.
From: spandey@metz.une.oz.au (Sushil Pandey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:17:10 GMT

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   H A P P Y   N E W   Y E A R




              2 0 4 9


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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What does _cowardly_ mean?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:09:24 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.


 [ stuff deleted ]

>
>Cowardly is a term often applied to the IRA in that many of their attacks
>are on defenceless civilians who have no way of defending themselves.  

unless an accident occurs, and a bomb goes off prematurely, killing
the planter and anyone around them, I believe I am quite
accurate in saying that the IRA always notifys people that a bomb
has been placed in a certain area and to move people out - 
of course, the people receiving the call don't always pass on
the information in a "timely" manner 

>Attacks on the security forces are generally done from a distance and 
>generally have the advantage of surprise.  They would obviously be very
>foolish to try and engage the army in open combat.  
>
>I would consider civilian attacks, blowing up businesses or businessmen
>who don't pay protecxtion money and kneecapping of teenagers to be the acts of cowards.

of, again, kneecapping of teenagers, plastic bullets shot at the
head, etc by British soldiers is not considered cowardly is it???
again, much of this is not picked up and printed in the newspapers 
so people see both sides of the struggle

>It depends on your perspective I suppose.
>

I've never understood why the British soldiers, and I suppose some 
citizens, are surprised when one of their foes picks up on what
they do and does in like.... the "savage Indians" learned how to
scalp from the British... need I go on???



-- 
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\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is this good history?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:04:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


  I don't know about Joyce's approach as I have not heard about or read 
anything from that author.  But ESPECIALLY when dealing with "celtic" history
the turn of the century books tend to have a LOT of "popular" anthropology,
eg. wishful thinking and folklore given as fact.  It makes for good reading,
but may not be the best source for real data.

  Hmmm, thinking hard on this, that title rings a bell, I may have it in my
library - I'll go check...

DLC
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From: coau0061@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: T.T. Races
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:06:56 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

A friend is wondering when the T.T. Races are on the Isle of
Man.  If anyone knows could you please post the dates.
Thank you.
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Two Celtic cultures
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:26:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


  So just skip the political stuff and read the rest.  I kinda like to see
both, depending upon MY mood too, and I do get some insight, if not under-
standing about some of the Irish and Scottish difficulties that I would never
get from the local rags.

  Also, please don't use "celtic" to describe anything specific.  That's 
like saying caucasion or oriental, so broad as to be meaningless.  There are
the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Cornish, Britains, Manx, (go back more) Gauls, 
Iberians,...  Anyway, you get the point.  These cultures have a common root
in ancient history, but have diverged GREATLY through the millinia, they 
aren't the same any more.  

  My feelings are that celtic is an attitude more than a blood-line ;*()
Especially after reading dozens of anthropological works that believe that 
the celtic tribes swept in over the west and took over as the warrior class
rulers of the more local farmers.  They then proceded to argue continuously
with each other - much as the appear to do today 8*/

  Anyway, there's plenty here to read, skip, or ignore, and plenty of folk 
to answer questions (as long as they're not about Enya lyrics translations 8)
and plenty to offer up your own opinions, so long as you aren't afraid of
the NET version of the Irish Stand-down!

DLC
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From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: shoot to kill?
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:12:39 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.


  I'm afraid I don't understand the phrase 'shoot to kill' : is there a way to
shoot people without killing?  Lets face it, military training isn't designed
to leave an enemy alive.
  I think the question that should be asked is the following: does the 
situation in N.I. justify an armed force?  If it does then what should the 
make up of that force be?  Also, when is the use of force justified?


		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Fri Apr 10 11:12:37 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:3595 soc.culture.british:6534
From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: Scotland United?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:37:49 GMT
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <1992Apr15.121232.23352@rdg.dec.com>, Craig Cockburn (cc) writes:


cc> Is there any more news on how the new group Scotland United are getting
cc> on 

They lost three nil to Scotland Rangers.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
					 |<
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What does _cowardly_ mean?
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:04:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr12.220445.14341
Organization: Open Communications Forum



The bomb under Hitler's table wasn't cowardly because the men responsible were
right there in the building (maybe in the room) when it went off, and only
members of the two factions (pro and anti-Hitler) were endangered by the blast.

This is rather a different thing than setting off bombs that endanger small
children and tired commuters in train stations. 

Please try for more realistic analogies.

Suze
From: adam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Adam Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: USA go home (Was Re: Shooting)
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:57:55 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr14.202532.6159@pony.Ingres.COM> gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary) writes:
:
:There are more Irish-Americians (18 million at last count) than there are Irish.
:Every Irish-Americian learns as a child that seven of the US presidents were
:all or in part of Irish decent (Now eight with Reagan?) so we have obtained here
:a status in the world not enjoyed by Ireland itself.  We came to this country
:because of famine, having our land stolen from us, conscription, or as white
:slaves for the plantations. Because of this, the average Irish-americian
:is fairly pissed off at the UK.
:
	Most of the 18 million americans of Irish descent came to the US by
virtue of being born there.  I don't see why their ancestry gives them ANY
right to have a say in the politics of another country.  Two of my
grandparents were Polish; I don't think that gives me any extra say in
Polish politics today.  Perhaps you believe that all black Americans should
have a say in who runs Africa!  Pick a country and stick to it.
	Why is the US the only country where people routinely claim 2
countries as their own (Italian-American etc.)?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: What does _cowardly_ mean?
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:58:10 GMT

In article <kuc4bnINNns6@news.bbn.com> gsmith@bbn.com (Graeme Smith) writes:
>sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>
>
>> [ stuff deleted ]
>
>>>
>>>Cowardly is a term often applied to the IRA in that many of their attacks
>>>are on defenceless civilians who have no way of defending themselves.  
>
>>unless an accident occurs, and a bomb goes off prematurely, killing
>>the planter and anyone around them, I believe I am quite
>>accurate in saying that the IRA always notifys people that a bomb
>>has been placed in a certain area and to move people out - 
>>of course, the people receiving the call don't always pass on
>>the information in a "timely" manner 
>
>No, you are quite inaccurate
>
>Graeme

In support of Graeme I would mention the recent human-bomb attacks on
checkpoints, where a guy (unconnected with either side) is tied into a
van filled with explosives and told that if he doesn't drive it into a
checkpoint and blow it up (him, the van, and the checkpoint) the IRA
guys will waste his family.
			Ed Hartnett
From: mbrennan@swift.cs.tcd.ie (Micheal O'Braonain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: USA go home (Was Re: Shooting)
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:36:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin

In article <15332@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.161013.1570@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>> 
>> Where you stole the land from its native inhabitants, wiped
>> most of them out, and enjoyed the wealth created by black
>> slaves.
> 
>  Well, no actually - get your history straight Matthew - the English had long
> ago wiped out the majority of the native-american population and slaves who
> had been forced to this country by the English were free by the time most Irish
> came to the states - granted there were some Irish here but the injustices you
> speak of above are the result of English-Americans for the most part, not
> Irish Americans...

Thank you for your simplistic answer - "It wasn't my great-great-grandaddy
who did all those nasty things it was the great-great-grandaddy of the
boy next door".  

When you cheered at the death of those 3 people in central
london the other day, or the death of the army guy leaving his office,
or the 80 people who were injured, I suppose you know for a fact that
the great-great-grandaddy of each and every one of them played a major
part in the rape and pillage of Ireland?  

Tell me about it!
-- 
 ,   ,  ,      ,              ,       ,          ,          ,  ,      ,
Micheal O Braonain     Roinn Riomheolaiochta, Colaiste Na Trionoide, BAC 2.
Email                  mbrennan@cs.tcd.ie
"Indecision is not an ignoble condition" - Brian Friel.
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Oregon, Manifest Destiny, & President Polk (Re: 200 years of Peace and Friendship)
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:00:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22544
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Organization: N.I.C.E.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>and you still wouldn't be telling the truth.  This is why history books are
>so damn long instead of 100 lines of a post.

No, quantity is no substitute for quality, either.

I had hoped this thread would die a natural death, but it seems
unwilling to do so.  Let me remind youse of a few things that
have been either overlooked or remain undiscovered by the various
partisans:

o The land in question, in Oregon & nearby, was stolen by both sides from
somebody else.  Now who were the real owners?

o The land was claimed by four powers (Russia, Spain/Mexico,
Britain, & the US) & the claims all had on the region were
based on earlier explorations.  (The US claim pre-dates Lewis
& Clark, goes back to the discovery of the mouth of the Columbia 10-15
years earlier I think).  No one was in a good position to exploit
their claim, however, as Oregon was about as far from anywhere
as you could get back then.  The Russians had a trading post
in N California til about 1840, tho.  (If I remember rite, Sutter
of gold discovery fame bot them out.)

o  I had always been told the Oregon crisis was precipitated by
American settler incursion into Oregon about 1844.  Ie, that
it was an American land grab.  The Hudson's Bay Co hated
settlers as a matter of policy.  But see point #1.

o The Polk administration was the peak of Manifest Destiny.  During
his term the Oregon dispute was resolved, Texas was joined to
the US, the US went to war against Mexico & took over California
as well as invading the Mexican heartland & conquering Mexico City.
He probably added more territory to the US than any other president
or event.  Before him, no Pacific boundary.   After him, the Pacific
boundary of the "48" was what we have today.

"Obligatory" Celtic content:  President Polk was Scots-Irish (a trivia
question on the radio here a few weeks back).

==mwh
From: csb58666@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chad S. Beckett)
Subject: Re: Two Celtic cultures -- two newsgroups
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:29:35 GMT

May I, a neutral American of Anglo-Saxon birth, offer an alternative
pairing of newsgroups on soc.culture.celtic.  It occurs to me that if
there is any real distinction to be made, it should be between the scots
and the irish; hense I propose a soc.culture.celtic.irish and a          
soc.culture.celtic.scot.  Sound stupid?  Maybe.  But as someone who is
about to go to only one of these places, and someone with a great deal
more interest in one, as opposed to the other, I would welcome such a
distinction.  Any thoughts?

Chad Beckett
Lowly Undergaduate
csb58666@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Two Celtic cultures -- two newsgroups
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:07:49 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.


	Is someone interested in organising a Call for Votes for a
soc.culture.nireland (or soc.politics.ni or some such)?
	I frequently get so pissed off with all the uninformed blather
bouncing around here about Northern Ireland that I kill the whole news
group. I read news at 2400 baud. I can't affort the time to sort the wheat
from the chaff.
				Jo Grant

_______________________________________________________________________________
Jo Grant			| "Love is blind, or so it seems, to make me
jaymin@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie	| offer you my dreams. But after all is said and
44 Bancroft Ave., Tallaght,	| done, a blind man's dreams are not much fun."
Dublin 24, IRELAND		|		-- Horslips, "Blindman"
From: duncan@ossian.uucp (Duncan C Thomson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scotland: Independance v Devolution
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:43:15 GMT
Organization: SPD, Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland

In soc.culture.celtic, billp@pcsbst.pcs.com (Bill Potter) writes:
>
>Maybe someone in Scotland (Chris, Bob, Jim) could tell us about
>George Galloway's reaction to the results. I imagine that would
>be quite interesting.

Well, here's Duncan.

Gorgeous George was on television on Friday evening talking about civil
disobedience, mass demonstrations, etc.  There was a rally in
George Square in Glasgow on Sunday.  Apparently 5000 people attended.
An organisation called something like `United Scotland' will be pressing
for a referendum on Scotlands constitutional future.

>The sort of tactical voting that the British electoral system 
>encourages is a hit and miss affair. In this case it was a 100% miss.

It would have been far more succesful if the anti-Tory vote hadn't been
split by the recent rise of Scottish Nationalism - about half the Tory
seats were won by a very slim margin.  If even a small proportion of
the electorate in these seats had thought before voting, we would now
have a handful of Tory MPs in Scotland.

	-Duncan
	<duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk>
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Two Celtic cultures -- two newsgroups
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:28:28 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Apr13.070749.15611@maths.tcd.ie>, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta) writes:
> 	Is someone interested in organising a Call for Votes for a
> soc.culture.nireland (or soc.politics.ni or some such)?

 Boy can I call em or what? When I returned to this group I jokingly asked if
there had been an attempt to eliminate NI as a topic in s.c.c due to the rather
absurd attempts of the past (repeated every 6 months or so) but I never
expected it to actually kick into gear so soon.

> 	I frequently get so pissed off with all the uninformed blather
> bouncing around here about Northern Ireland that I kill the whole news
> group. I read news at 2400 baud. I can't affort the time to sort the wheat
> from the chaff.

OK - I'm sure everyone will become fully disgusted with my continuing responses
to articles such as these so I will try to abstract them as much as possible.

The above article is of a type we'll probably see quite a bit of - I like to 
call it the "self-righteous claim" or the "I'm too good for this" type of
article. It usually contains at least four "I"'s per paragraph and portrays 
the writer as somehow too good to be bothered by discussions that do not `interest him/her. Their time, it seems, is more important than others' and thus the 
entire group should change in order to spare them the effort of striking that 
damn "n" key all of 20 times a day as others might do for a drawn out thread
on naming children... 

 I tend not to give much merit to these articles - I find threads in this group
that I am not interested in all the time - I simply ignore them and leave
them to those folks who do have an interest in them (they of course must
exist, after all, or the thread would die - no?). I never post asking that
we remove meat-pie recipes or Irish children names or what ever out of s.c.c -
why? because I truly have no hidden agenda - now if I really hated meat-pies and
wished to rid the world of them, *then* I might try to actively remove the
topic from s.c.c, thus effectively shaping celtic culture to meet *my* 
obviously superior knowledge of what celtic culture truly is - but alas I
am intelligent enough to know that I couldn't possibly tell you exactly what
is or is not celtic culture....

			gln
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:43:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Suze / Ireland / Support for paramilitaries
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic

seanr@spock.retix.com (Sean MacRoibeaird) writes:

> dcnnnghm@unix1.tcd.ie writes:
> 
> "We, the Irish living in Ireland, wish that people such as Noraid, and
> those  that   support them, would take   a    flying  leap off a  high
> building."
> 
> Who gave  you a mandate  to  speak for  the people of Ireland. Because
> somebody is not living in Ireland for a year or two does not invalidate
> their  arguments.  It would be  a  lot better   that bad  articles are
> condemned based on their content (  or  lack thereof) rather  than the
> location of the peole who wrote the bad articles.
> 
> Bland generalisations like yours contribute nothing. If you decided to
> work abroad for a  while, would that  invalidate your opinions? If you
> disagree with somebody's support of Noraid or other such organisations
> then you should  be able to  come up with valid reasons  why - as many
> others in this group have in the past. You should  not have to rely on
> the "We the irish living in Ireland" crap.

  It would be kind of nice if someone could really explain why the NI thing
continues to this day.  I have read a lot and not posted on this issue because
I just don't understand the root of the problem.  I have to place the violence
there along side other indecipherable wars like El Salvador, Nicaragua, and
Yugoslavia.  (we fight them because we hate them, we hate them because they
are bad, they are bad because they fight us...  Or seemingly so anyway).
Can anyone really explain the source of the conflict?  Or has it been going
on for so long that the reasons are lost and only the hate remains?

> Sean Mac Roibeaird

Dennis (kindly send your flames to alt.flame if you feel you really must)
From: oconnell@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Kevin Patrick O'Connell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What goes around comes around
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:05:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Apr8.020845.7010
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr7.072444.21041@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, geraghj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Geraghty) writes...

> 
>A few weeks back I posted an article to this newsgroup entitled
>"Sick'n'tired of the "Troubles" isn't there more to Ireland?". 
> 
>Well here's hoping that not all of what I have said will fall on deaf ears
>I am willing to DISCUSS my views. I am not willing however to engage in
>bitter argument over my views..
> 
>Thanks for reading
> 
>John Geraghty
>**************************************************************************
>The views I have expressed are my own. I did not read them in any book
>instead I have lived them. They are open to discussion but not to 
>argument or deformation of meaning. 
>John Geraghty ---- I have fought in the battle of life and survived-so far 
>                    anyway 


Yer a king, John, a King, and a descendant of kings!

Kevin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: rdawson@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ron Dawson)
Subject: Re: Comments on News Program
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa Ont.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:20:15 GMT

In article <skenny.702576156@femto.engr.mun.ca> skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:
>About two weeks ago, a film crew from Irish television was in St. John's
>to cover the overfishing problem -- the reporter was Joe O'Brien I
>believe. During their stay they also interviewed Mike McGuire (in
>Gaelic) and Dennis Ryan at a local pub. I don't know if this has been
>televised yet, but I was wondering if someone has any comments to make
>on the film clip. Naturally I only saw the film takes and not the edited
>version.

  Was the Dennis Ryan interview related to the overfishing problem?
  What's Dennis Ryan up to these days?  

- Ron Dawson

rdawson@ccs.carleton.ca