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From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas (fastest team in the NFL?)
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:55:02 GMT
Distribution: na,usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Bv5766.6IK@news.orst.edu> curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.023731.2147@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>
>  rest.  Even some of the really great WRs who were considered slow, like
>  Largent, were very fast for a human, I heard Largent a couple of weeks 
>  ago claiming that he only ran a 4.5 40.  

Which is by no means slow! 
>
>  By the way, while I have Largent out in the open.  All of his career 
>  records may indeed fall this year, but it will be quite some time before
>  any single player breaks all of them.  IMHO it is a testiment to his
>  greatness that it will take 3 excellent players to break his records.

Actually, it'll only take one... Jerry Rice will have all of those records 
before he's done if he is not injured. Monk may destroy them all as well but 
even if he does, he's only keeping the record warm for Rice. 


-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


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From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NINERS WIN!!! YESSS!
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:19:42 GMT
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <holly.231@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
|>In article <1992Sep28.030935.25311@PacBell.COM>
jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
|>
|>
|>
|>>Cofer has redeemed himself....3 FG's!.......YES.
|>
|>Yes, but can he do it for the next 12 games?  I sure hope so.  I was 
|>absolutely amazed every time he kicked.  Considering the Saints kicker is 
|>considered one of (if not THE) best kickers in the NFL, it had to boost 
|>Cofer's confidence level.  Hopefully, his confidence level will remain up 
                                                            
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
|>for all the future games.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Yeah but what about you fairy-whiner faithful, will your confidence
   level remain up for all future games???    Do you really have to 
   post an article every time your FG kicker scores or fails to boot the
   ball through.   FYI  we non-fairy-whiner-faithful do not care..............
   
  
|>Needs confidence.
|>-----
|>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
              
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From: baskins@csd475a.erim.org (Bob Baskins)
Subject: Re: Question for Lion's experts
In-reply-to: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA's message of Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:19:44 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:41:17


>   Why don't the Lions use Mel Gray in the offense and not just the
> special teams?  He seems like such a dangerous open field runner that

The Detroit News mentioned this in yesterday's paper.  According to
the story, the knock on Mel Gray is that he has trouble remembering
the plays.

I agree with you, though.  Put him in there, dump a screen pass to him,
and let him improvise from there.




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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The FISH EAT BUFFALFO MEAT!
Keywords: FISH SQUISH THE CHIPS
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:53:34 GMT
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <1992Oct4.201453.2655@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P.
Gloria) writes:
> KELLY throws his 1st INT, intercepted by Lewis Oliver...
> Bills FANS, won't forget his name. :-)
> Keith Jackson wastes no time and scores his first TD with
> a remarkable catch.  YES! Okay, where are the K.Jackson detractors
> now?

  Apparently the pass wasn't even intended for him, but
  still a great play/result. Instant impact - YES.
> 
.......................
> 
> KELLY throws his 3rd INT Oliver in the endzone. Oliver runs
> out and cuts down the left side, look at him GO, CAN
> HEEE GO...ALL  THE    WAYYYY....YES, 103 yards TD.
> 
  Apparently that pass was intended for Oliver. :-)
  YES, indeed - Excellent return did you see little jimbo
  huffin and puffin trying to run Oliver down. I bet the
  Buffalo "faithful" turned on Kelly after that.
  I bet (hope) the TEGGER choked on his hot dog during
  the run back.  :-)
> 
.....................
> 
> Miami   37 Buffalo  10  * FINAL the FISH gobble the Buffalo Bills
> 
> Chicago  20 Minnesota  21  * FINAL How about this for a comeback!
  DITKA WAS PISSED AT HARBAUGH, maybe he should look at the
  defense after all they were still up by 20-7 at that point.

Finally why dont the Miami fans start a thread on how the
Dolphins might go 16-0.  (Of course they won't - but this
would add insult to injury to the buffalo jerks who were
going on about the bills going 16-0.)

Richard Turner
DOLFAN STILL WAITING FOR A LOSS.
BTW - WAY TO GO CANES.  (At least Kelly had something to
                          smile about this weekend)
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From: fredg@ariel.yorku.ca (Fredrick Gonsalves)
Subject: Re: Can Bills go 16-0?
Originator: fredg@t01.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:45:18 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.032105.28347@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma) writes:
>> In article <gemV9EG00WDK41mpBW@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> >Well, I'm going to bet they won't even make 5-0! I think the Dolphins are gonna
>> >beat them this week......
>> 
>> I won't say that, but I think that there is a reason that there hasn't
>> been an undefeated team since 1972.   The Bills have 12 games to play.
>> Not 1, not 3, 12 games.  Upsets happen every week.  
>> 
>> Let me make the ungrounded assumption that the probability of the Bills
>> winning any given game is 95%.  To define this a little better, consider
>> a team that goes 15-1 on a season.  Their statistcal probability of 
>> winning would be 94% +/- a small error.  (Note:  Who was the last 15-1
>> team anyway?)  Let me proceed...
>> 
>> If the probability of the Bills wining one game is .95.  The probability
>> of the Bills winning the next 12 is .95^12.  That's 54%.  Given this
>> logic, I will assert that the probabilty of the Bills winning a given
>> game is less than 90%, which means that there is only a 28% chance of
>> the 16-0 season.
>> 
>> 	They "probably" won't do it.  :-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Eric Sybesma
>> University of Michigan
>> sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
>> sybesma@maize.engin.umich.edu

Who Cares I still say they will be 16-0 !!!!!!!!

FredG
YorkU, Canada
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Franchise Player???
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:51:00 GMT

In <1992Sep30.095148.29435@walter.cray.com> jwest@wisc (Jeff West) writes:

>xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>: In <Bv3HxM.B6w@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>: Not to downplay any of these fine players but the choice of Marino just
>: underlines the fact that you can't win by offense alone. [...]

>I think the idea here is to find out who people would take first if they had
>to start their own team today.  Obviously no one [OR TWO] players can make a
>great team alone.

Right.  I was just questioning the whole idea of a "franchise" player. 
And if you're actually trying to build a team[*], D might actually be
the best place to start.  I think that a team with great D and mediocre
O is more likely to succeed than a team with great O and mediocre D. 
(Which is too bad, since I think that my team has great O and mediocre
D.) 

[*]rather than simply concocting a fantasy team, since D is mostly
ignored in fantasy leagues.

>You mention Montana and forget the likes of Craig, Rice etc.  And true Reggie
>White would be a force on Any team but put him and Randall on the Patriots

I was just trying to come up with some quick examples of the kind of
people who might be called "franchise players".  People on both sides of
the ball.  Sure Singletary had help in Chicago's SB victory.  I still
think that he could have been called, at least at one time, a franchise
player.  My examples were off-the-top, but I'm sure you all get the
idea, and you might even be able to come up with better examples.

Basically, the original question was "what franchise player would you
pick," and then everybody started naming QB's.  I'm not quite sure who
I'd pick, but it would probably be a defensive player.

>For final proof I remember a team that had both the offensive AND defensive
>player of the year on the same team and in the same year and yet only won 1
>game!  Sayer's and Butkus.

Even worse.  Obviously, having a "franchise player" is not enough to
guarantee anything.  But if I could have a team that consisted of all
average players, except for one outstanding player, I'd rather have that
outstanding player playing for the defense.

Maybe I should just suggest someone that I think I'd pick as my
franchise player.  I'll give it some thought....
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!
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From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Wanted: Addresses for NFL teams
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:14:33 GMT


Does anyone out there have a list of addresses for the various NFL
franchises?  I'd greatly appreciate it.

Back to worshipping Mora.


-John "Offsides is a free play! Wake up Bobby!" Nolin-

GEAUX SAINTS!!
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Power Ratings after week 4
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  1 OCT 92 15:27:02    

In article <1OCT199214471115@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, bdsuba@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (PANDAMAN) writes...

>In article <1992Oct1.140053.3975@sarah.albany.edu>, pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L) writes...
>>In article <1992Sep30.220011.24726@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>>In article <16872C065.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes...
>>>
>>>>          OK, netters, after watching some of the power ratings here,
>>>>my associate Jon Acker and I have devised our own.  I am in the process
>>>>of writing a simple c program to automate this a bit. I hate the pen
>>>>and paper method.  All statistics are from todays USA Today.  Today,
>>>>the AFC, tommorrow the NFC and overall.
>>>
>>>Anybody can come up with power ratings.  How's your predictability?  
>>>My program is 38-14 for the year.
>> 
>>That's a pretty good record. Maybe you would like to share some
>>of your predictions with us?
> 
>It is a good record IF it is versus the pointspread; it is nothing special 
>at all if it is merely picking the winner of the game.  Check the 
>cumulative results of the usenet pool.  There are probably a couple of 
>hundred people who are 38-14 or better.

HA!  I'd like to see you write a program that does better.

JGH
From: ben@auspex.com (Ben PeBenito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers Schedule
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:33:55 GMT
Reply-To: ben@auspex.com
Organization: Auspex Systems Inc.In article 230@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com, holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:


 >I don't think the Dolphins or Saints is an easy win.  Also, those Buccaneers 
 >have come along way.  I haven't kept up with the Eagles this year, so don't 
 >know about them.  It does seem like they might make the playoffs this year.  
 >However, even though I think Young is a great quarterback.  He's never been 
 >great in the 4th quarter.  He freezes under pressure.  Whereas Bono has 
 >Montana's style (not experience) under pressure.  I wish Seifert would put 
 >Young in the first 3 quarters and Bono in in the fourth.  That way I think 
 >we might win all games. 
 >-----
 >holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com

I hate to say it but this sounds like another QB controversy my personal opinion
is that it's running great the way it is why even bother changing it.

Just my 2 cents.
Ben
From: v069qqqc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike C.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GET READY FOR A LOSS DOLPHANS!
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct2.095840.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
>> For Dolli-phans, Life is a swirling eddy of dispair and then they die.
>> Bye for now!
>
> [...]
> 
>Do people still use the sears catalog for toilet paper up there? 

Actually I prefer JC Penneys... much better texture.

> 
>                        -doug THE dolfan-

Mike
From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Should Marv Levy Be Fired? (was Re: Dolphins Eat the Bills for Lunch)
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:59:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

In article <1992Oct6.155740.29230@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:
 
>
>In article <1687794C6.TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann) writes:
>>     No , I'm not a Perot supporter.  That has nothing to do with football,
>>therefore has no significance whatsoever. Now lets discuss the real
>>issue facing Bills fans.  In super bowl XXV, the bills played an
>>inferior Giants team.  They were outcoached, and lost, albeit by a
> ???????
>>slim margin.  ....
>
>Thats a joke, right Tom ?
>I know this is not your main point, but, In no way was the GIANTS of 89
>"inferior" to the Bills. And they prove that 2 out of the 3 times they met
>that year. Just because they did not score 40 points per game like the
>Bills did does'nt make "inferior".
>I basically remember  the GIANTS driving the Bills
>Def. Linemen down field and spiking them in the End Zone 8{D.
 
    First off, I dont recall seeing the Giants in the 89 Super Bowl. Did
I miss something?  Second, a team that holds the ball for 40 minutes should
really win by more than one point.  I stand by my statment that the Bills
were the superior team that year and it is a tribute to Bill Parcells
(and a BIG knock on Levy) that the Giants took it home that year.  The Bills
beat the Giants in the regular season, and I think that  they had a better
% record against common opponents. Someone check me on this. I guess the
point is moot, but it is part of the argument against Levy.
 
Tom Steegmann
From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Central
Date: 28 Sep 1992 03:53:06 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <kelbJ5y00VB1Q7r0MJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What the heck is going on in the NFC Central?  The division is upside
>down.  Minnesota and Tampa Bay are both 3-1 under new coaches, Green Bay
>is under a new coach and at 2-2 along with Chicago, and last year's big
>surprise team, Detroit, is in the cellar at 1-3.  This should be an
>interesting year.
	
	Yeap, Vikings finish in first, Packers in second, and Bucs in
	third and Lions and Bears fight for last.

>
>The Vikings looked very impressive today, whipping the Cincinnati
>Bengals, 42-7.  Gannon threw amazingly well, and Carter had a heck of a
>day at WR, and they even put up a running threat, something they
>couldn't do even with Herschel Walker.
>
	Cool. Terry Allen runs awesome again, scoring 3 TD's.


>Detroit, however, I can't understand.  They lose to teams much worse
>than them and even Sanders isn't running well (not by his standards,
>anyway).  Rodney Peete has been throwing too poorly for a run-and-shoot
>offense to allow, and their defense just hasn't been holding people well
>enough to allow for an unproductive offense.
>
>Any other comments?

	Sure, I understand the Lions. they played way above their heads
	last year, and now they come back to reality. Ill bet 8-8 for
	Lions, maybe 9-7 if they get real lucky.

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS

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From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Tough trivia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep28.081224.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.151645.2661@wkuvx1.bitnet>, spearkr@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>> In article <1992Sep24.130252.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>> 
>>>   In all of NFL history there has been only one undefeated untied team
>>> (the 72 dolphins) and there has only been one team to lose every game
>>> it played (It was either the 77 Bucs or the 78 Bucs). Name the only
>>> player to be a member of both of these teams.
>>> 
>>>              doug "I wish I knew the answer to this one" the dolfan
>>> 
>> 
>>      Larry Ball, a linebacker from Louisville, was on the 1972
>> Dolphins(17-0) and also the 1976 Buccaneers(0-14).
>> 
>>                                      Kevin Spear "Videophile!"
>>                                      Western Kentucky University
>> 
>                    I think you're right. Give this man a cigar.
> 
>                                     -doug the dolfan

                        Shit, give this man a hog leg.  And anyone who
         needs to ask what I'm talking about dosen't need to know.

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
From: brian@sdg.dra.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Crowd noise rule
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:34:03 CDT
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

I believe the crowd noise rule works this way:  If the crowd is so loud that
the offense cannot run a play,  the officials first warn them.  If the crowed
remains too loud, the defensive team is penalized a timeout, and this continues
until the crowd shuts up.  When they run out of timeouts, the defense starts
getting penalized yardage.

I've seen this enforced in preseason two years ago.  The poor Saints lost 2
timeouts.  Luckily it happened in the first half.

I agree that this is a piece of shit rule.  What do they think this is? A
croquet match?  
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From: 890554h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andrew Hoogerwerf)
Subject: Ferrell Edmunds
Summary: What about Edmunds? What a TE.
Keywords: What about Edmunds? What a TE!
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:58:32 GMT

Edmunds rules and always will
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Bring Back Instant Replay
Keywords: 49ers-Saints,Bad Calls, Suggestion
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:59:18 GMT

	I'm glad the 49ers won the game against the Saints so I could post
this without anyone accusing me of whining, but that game was a perfect
example of why the NFL should bring back instant replay.  I agree it's not
perfect and that it can really slow a game down, so I would suggest the
following:

	Allow each team to challenge a referees call once each half for
crucial situations such as TDs or change of possessions.  A team can
challenge more than once, but loses a time-out for each challenge beyond
the first per half.  This would prevent replay officials from stopping
play every other down, but keep teams from over-using a replay to turn
over a call.  

	What do you think?  Relevant comments are welcome.

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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.014308.2289@netcom.com>,
mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>Granted, the Niners didn't appear to be inspired, but I'll take this game
>as yet another example that their DL is poorly suited for pash rushing.
>As good as Fagan, Holt, Brown, Washington, Carter et al are against the
>run, none of them are great pass rushers, and only Holt is even above
>average.  And adding Tim Harris to the picture is an incomplete solution;
>when your best pash rusher is a linebacker, even a specialty linebacker,
>you've got a problem.

Do you mean like the problem they had with Dean, and Haley?

>
>I'm not sure exactly what I'd do to remedy this.  I'd hate to replace
>any of the starters, as good as they are against the run.  Perhaps

Patience.  The D line will be fine as long as they stay healthy.
Every Niner fan recognizes that their team is better at the end of
the season and in the playoffs when it REALLY counts.  Why is that,
do you think it some sort of divine blessing.  No, a lot has to do
with their defensive scheme, platooning, keeping guys fresh in the
early season, especially the D line.  They play run first.  They
don't really T off on QB until they get a good lead.

Also, give credit to Rams.  Yes they have had a couple awful years,
Everett has had little confidence, but it was nearly this same line
that broke Everett in the first place.

They'll be there.

Mike

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Niners Beat Aints, Refs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:46:38 GMT

In article <BvCqq9.47I@news.orst.edu> curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta) writes:

>In article <z5_p5vj.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>Especially if the officiating is as choice for that game as it was
>>for last night's.  Even the best teams can't consistently come up
>>through *that*.

> I won't argue that the Rice Fumble was a bad call.  It should have been ruled
> down by contact with the spot of the ball on the 1/2 yard line, since that
> is where the ball was when his knees were down.  But other than that one
> call the Refs did all right.

Equally wrong was the fumble called on Ricky Watters.  As one of the
announcers said, "his whole body was down."

> If I was a 49'er fan (and that's a big IF) I would be more concerned about
> the offensive line play than the Refs.  The Saints were putting a lot of

I wasn't concerned about the refs, just ticked off.  And I see little
reason for concern with the Niners' OL play -- they faced one of the
better defenses in the league and they couldn't play "sharp" because
of the fan noise.  They had a sure TD taken away, another possession
wrongly ended and still scored four times.  Not a problem.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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From: xia@utdallas.edu (Chunliang Xia)
Subject: hayes
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:39:38 GMT


does anybody out there know the status about Altanta Falcon's wide receiver
Haynes? it seems to me that his absence has a great impact on his team.
I saw him in the pre-season games, i am wondering what happen to him, is
he injured, if so, how long will he be back.
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