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From: kns001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: MORE beer and lemon!
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.125933.1@neptune.kingston.ac.uk>, bs_s516@neptune.kingston.ac.uk writes:
> In article <Bz438n.11y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (S. Schuyler Stultz) writes:
>> I have no basis for this, but my freshman year here at VA Tech (yes, I was
> 
>> gullible, but wait) a friend of mine poured beer and lemonade half and half.
> 
>> When I poked fun at him he said it was commmon in England.  Well, at the 
> 
>> time the farthest I'd ever been in my life was to Atlanta, so I kind of
> 
>> believed him.  
> 
> It certainly is common here in the UK where the resulting mixture is known as
> a SHANDY.  Generally the lemonade used is of the clear, colourless type.
> You can use the more traditional cloudy variety or as an alternative you
> can use Ginger Beer {but definitely not Ginger Ale}.
> 
>> I tried it and it wasn't terrible, not good, but not terrible.
>> Then this past summer I went to France to visit a cousin studying at the 
>> Univesity of Nice.  When we went out one night one of the ladies in our
>> group had a bottled version of this "bier limonade."  Is this a "common"
>> practice in Europe?
> 
> And yes they also drink it in France.  As to how it tastes, well that depends
> of course upon the quality of the ingredients.  For the beer a good bitter will
> always taste better than a lager {something along the lines of Draught Bass}
> and lemonade from a bottle is far better than that from a tap or soda fountain.
> 
	[deleted] 
> 
> Tony Scott	-	South Bank University, London
> 			SCOTTT@vax.sbu.ac.uk

	
	When I was in Melbourne, Australia last year, an Aussie friend 
handed me a mug w/ clear red stuff in it;
	(Friend) "Try this..."
	(Me) 	"What IS it?"
	(Friend) "Just try it..."
Turned out to be beer (local draught - probably Carlton's) with 
RASPBERRY flavoring (cordial) added to it...Bleah!...She seemed to like it.

- Karissa S.
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From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: Hams 
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 02:53:53 GMT

In article <of7KOgK00iV389iWk4@andrew.cmu.edu> "Eric M. Shapiro" <es4k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I went to a Gun's and Roses concert over the summer in NYC and on the
>Long Island Rail Road.  On the train a friend of mine and myself shared
>a case of a really cheap beer called Hams beer.  I have never heard of
>this beer, but for only $4.99 a case it didn't taste that bad. It was
>really easy to drink and a buzz was still obtained.  
>
>HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF THIS LOW QUALITY BEER?  WHAT DID YOU THINK?
>

		From the Land of Sky-Blue Waters
		From the land of pines' lofty balsams
		Comes the beer refreshing
		Hamm's, the beer refreshing
		Hamm's

You must have grown up in a cave.

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From: emeeks@ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Subject: Any Geary's in the DC area?
Originator: emeeks@hamby.tx.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:09:26 GMT


Hi folks,

I buried this request in a post about Anchor's Xmas brew, so it may have
been ignored. I really would like responses so I'll ask again:

Has anyone in Washington, DC metro area (particularly Alexandria) seen
any of the Xmas brew offered by Geary's? I think it has a name like
"Special Hampshire Ale", anyway Hampshire is part of the name. 
A freind who lives in
Alexandria is coming home for the holidays and I'd like to have him pick
some up if it's available. Thanks!
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Ed Meeks (emeeks@ncsu.edu)  "Won't you please tell the man I didn't hurt
anyone, I was just tryin' to have me some fun." --John Prine
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From: murray@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Charlie Murray)
Subject: Re: Anchor Porter...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:55:00 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

In article <5RiaVB1w165w@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us>, elendil@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
|> Picked up a six pack of Anchor Porter yesterday.  I haven't had it in ages, and
|> it really hit the spot tonight.  I remember having it recommended to me as an
|> alternative to stouts, which are so strong that they put off aa lot of folks.
|> Can anyone recommend other good porters to try that are available here?
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> |Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us|
|> |Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087|

I haven't tried it yet, but I noticed that Boulder Porter won the gold medal
at this years Great American Beer Festival.

I'll have to pick some up when I head home to Colorado in a week.

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From: cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: Are you a Turtle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:23:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
From: sce4350@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Ernst_Guy)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Black&Tan
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:10:26 GMT
Reply-To: sce4350@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

I've been in the modd for a Black&Tan for a few days now.

Can one of you Guiness freaks offer any opinion on the mixing
of your most holy nectar ?  I.E. do you approve or even enjoy 
such a concoction ?
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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Midwest Beer Notes
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:34:49 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <92351.103139FGG1@psuvm.psu.edu> FGG1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Finally!  Someone else acknowledges the great Middleton WI beer!

   Actually, I take every opportunity I can to expound upon the virtues
of Garten Brau brew.  I still have the empty capped bottle I bought for
a dollar when they were raising money to start the brewery, and look
forward to my visits back to Madison so I can partake of a few darks,
specials, and Rathskellars.

>Cheers and a glass of Special will be raised to you.

   Make mine a Dark!
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
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From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Steam (tm)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:16:27 GMT

jeffw@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Jeff Weidner) writes:

>So, does anyone know the full story of the term "steam" when used to
>describe beer?  

>I think it has to do with the conditions during brewing in the early days
>of west coast beer making.  Wasn't it brewed at a much higher temperature
>than beers elsewhere?

It's fermented at a higher temperature than other lagers (between 50 and 60
deg. F, i.e. ale fermentation temps.).  Most lagers are fermented in
the 30's and 40's.

>Are these conditions still present during the manufacture of "Anchor
>Steam"?  How about other beers?  Do any other beers call themselves
>"steam"?

They still make it the same way.  "Steam" is a registered trademark,
so any other commercial beer calling itself that would find itself
in court in a big hurry.  A not very popular generic term trying to
gain acceptance is "California Common Beer."

Jon Binkley

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From: olemo@dhhalden.no (OLE-MAGNUS OLSEN)
Subject: Re: Norwegian beers
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:26:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.160352.19020@alf.uib.no> Stein Vegard <Steinvh@hdata.no> writes:
>Ringnes and Aass are both from the polluted eastern regions, and nobody
>would dispute that the taste is much better in northern (Mack) and
>western (Hansa).

Oh no?!

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From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: MORE beer and lemon!
Keywords: This article printed on 100% recycled electrons
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:11:11 GMT

In article <Bz460L.36x@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:

> I
>would find it hard to believe either Heineken or Beck's has anywhere near
>the popularity they enjoy here (unless the "home" versions, like Guinness,
>are noticeably better) as they do in their own countries.
>   But, this question would certainly be better answered by someone *in*
>Germany (and Holland).  :)  Just imposing my own opinions, as usual.  :)
>   Later.

I lived in Germany last year and have friends in the Netherlands.  Beck's is 
sold there, but does not have a reputation of being a very good beer.  It's 
considered like a German mega-brew, and Germans prefer the more carefully 
brewed local favorites (with some exceptions: Bitburger Pils, Jever and 
Warsteiner, which are brewed in rather large quantities, are very popular, 
and very good).  I like Weissbier (or Weizen, both terms are used) myself.
    As for Heineken, it does not have a very good reputation in the 
Netherlands, Grosch seems preferred.  But in the U.S. marketing sells beer.  
If you're going to spend the money, a good microbrew here is probably 
better -- it's less likely to have gone bad in transport.
  Prost!
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: MA Liquor ID
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:35:55 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <104590@bu.edu> rmorgan@acs.bu.edu (Roderick Morgan) writes:
>Just for your information...
>To my knowledge Massachusetts no longer issues the Liquor ID card, the only 
>available ID's are the plain ID card, and the drivers license.
>
>I have never really had a problem with my PA driver license in MA, although at 
>some bars they do require a backup ID for out of state licenses, or if you just
>have a plain ID card (out of state or MA)...I know that some bars can on 
>occasion take only Mass ID, but these are really few and far between (I have
>never encountered one).
>
>Rod

I've done some research on this. The ONLY positive proof of age for buying
alcohol in MA is  a driver's liscence. Figure that out. It means that if
you want an ID that the law requires storeowners to honor,  you must learn
to drive. It is true that many places will accept the non-driver ID, but
they do so at their own discresion, and if the person  using such an ID is
underage, they can be prosecuted for it; this is not the case with a
driver's license. 

Why not just put a legend on the license that says "We Support DUI"?
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these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
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From: danf@microsoft.com (Dan Fay)
Subject: Re: Hefe in the US, radler
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:55:25 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa


> 
> 	And beer with lemonade...In Bavaria especially beir is mized about
> half and half with a clear lemonade...It's like lemonade flavored mineral water
> and this is called Radler. It is very common in the summertime, and can even 
> be purchased by the liter in the Muenchen beirgartens.
> amy

Radler's are great during the summertime.  We used to have them after soccer games,
nice and refreshing... and they don't fill you up.  The only problem here in the 
US is that you can't find the clear lemonade, and sprite just doesn't cut it.  There
are actually a couple of half-n-half's, Radlers are mixed with Helles, and there is
another (name escapes me) that is mixed with Weizen beer.  Both are excellent.
dan
From: mdempsey@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Ponies and Quarter Barrels
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:03:17 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Whoops, I screwed up. As has been noted, a full barrel is 31 not 33 gallons
(just wishing for a few extra glasses I guess) as I stated earlier. However
everything else ads up a 'sixteen' is a half-barrel, an 'eight' is a quarter
barrel. Some people seem to think a quarter-barrel and a pony are the same
thing. A pony is traditionally 1/8 of a barrel or 3.875 gallons.

I cleaned a heckuvalot of kegs in my time (oh if you only knew what grew in
some of those things - you might stop drinking, but it hasn't stopped me...)
It is really too bad that party balls have taken over from quarters and ponies

Every once in a while my friends and I will get a pony from Schell's up here
in Minnesota. You usually have to plan ahead and order it and drink it all at
one sitting but a pony is right around 2 cases of beer and we can usually 
finish that off. A party ball is often too large. And heck a pony will fit 
pretty easily in a normal refridgerator.

I guess all the return shipping that is phasing out returnable bottles has
already killed the pony barrel.

We used to have 'case-day' at college, pony day has even greater possibilities.

Later 

Matt

mdempsey@mnsmc1.mnsmc.edu
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Corona and Mexican Beer
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:42:21 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Dec12.230901.1@acad.drake.edu> kns001@acad.drake.edu writes:

>In all the talk I've seen here abt. Mexican brews,
>nobody's mentioned Simpatico, which I really like - has anyone else tried it?
>(comes in a nifty black bottle...)   

>Karissa S.

What about Negra Modelo?
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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Are you a turtle
Followup-To: alt.test, misc.test, alt.flame
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:51:38 GMT

In article <Dec16.033706.38879@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU () writes:
>  				TURTLES
> ARE YOU A TURTLE?
> WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE A TURTLE?
> WHICH GAME DID YOU LEARN?
> DO YOU LIKE TO PLAY DRINKING GAMES?
> MAYBE YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A TURTLE.
> CONTACT ME IF YOU CAN ANSWER ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS.

ARE YOU A DORK?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE A DORK?
WHAT PLANET DID YOU COME FROM?
DO YOU LIKE TO POST STUPID MESSAGES?
MAYBE YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE AN IDIOT.
CONTACT THIS GROUP AGAIN WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO POST SOMETHING ABOUT BEER.
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From: schlick+@cs.cmu.edu (Steven Schlick)
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:43:32 GMT

In article <15DEC92.00655299.0059@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> V5WA000 <V5WA@UNB.CA> writes:
>Do You idiots actually get drunk off that water you call beer?
>Here in Canada, Labatts rules.  I'm not being biased
>because it's Canadian.  It's just better.  I like to know when I'm drink
>drinking and it doesn't take 10 to 12 bottles before you get
>a buzz (like all American beer)

There's more to life than getting drunk off beer.  If all you want is to get
a buzz real quick, go back to your frat house and down a 40 oz. bottle of
Schlitz Malt Liquor.  That's one American brew which is sure to please your
discriminating taste in beer.
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Corona and Mexican Beer
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:58:43 GMT

In article 9LL@nic.umass.edu, danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.230901.1@acad.drake.edu> kns001@acad.drake.edu writes:
> 
> >  In all the talk I've seen here abt. Mexican brews,
> >nobody's mentioned Simpatico, which I really like - has anyone else tried it?
> >(comes in a nifty black bottle...)   
> >
>  
>   The reason no one talks about Simpatico under the heading of Mexican beers
> has nothing to do with its quality -- it's because both the nifty black
> bottle and what's inside it come from Iowa.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> danco@philos.umass.edu
> danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
to bad the label lies and says from mexico.



---
Steve C. 

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From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: Dubuque Brewing
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:21:31 GMT

In article <1fgan5INNrfn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu writes:
>There was an interesting beer-related story in yesterday's Des Moines 
>Register. Actually, the story is reissued every couple of years, with a 
>few facts altered...
>
>The Dubuque Brewing Co is now doing business in that Norteast Iowa 
>community at the old Dubuque Star (ex Rhomburg, ex Pickett, ex Conagra, 
>ex You-Name-It) brewery. The brewery was bought by a group out of 
>Redmond, WA 
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Deletions

Hmmm... Redmond... Home of Microsoft...  They wouldn't be brewing...



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From: palou@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Ignasi Palou-Rivera)
Subject: Re: Corona and Mexican Beer
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:18:37 CST
In-reply-to: scarrobi@shearson.com's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:09:33 GMT

I remember having seen SIMPATICO brewed in Iowa, but yesterday we
bought a six-pack and it is brewed by Cerveceria Cuatemoc of
Monterrey, N.L. Mexico. Maybe they are importing the right stuff now.
The beer itself is OK, but nothing to be excited about. The bottles
are really cool, though.

Ignasi.

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From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: 5 favorite beers
Summary: What are YOUR 5 favorite beers?
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:27:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.183931.3203@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:

(most deleted)

> Have any of you ever been to Bamburg? Its beer heaven: 300 breweries in that
> region.

Are you sure that's not Bamberg?  These burgs and bergs are always 
confusing...
From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: MORE beer and lemon!
Keywords: This article printed on 100% recycled electrons
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:21:56 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <Bz438n.11y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (S. Schuyler Stultz) writes:
>Also, There's been some discussion of the fact that Heineken is praised here
>in the states and not held in such high reguard in Europe.  What about
>Becks?

   Well, I've personally never found Heineken to be anything near what it's
cracked up to be, despite its rank as [supposedly] the #1 import.  However,
I *can* tell you that Beck's (at least Beck's Dark) has gotten progressively
worse over the past few years (this used to be the one widely-available beer
(i.e., supermarkets "everywhere") that my dad liked, and now he says it
tastes terrible).  I would gather from this observation that either it is
a special "cheapened" (diluted, run-off, whatever) version packaged especially
for the states, or it is indeed a low-grade German beer.  Every other German
beer (except St. Pauli Girl) I've had has tasted much cleaner ; Beck's seems
like maybe dirty water is used (i.e., less than "pure" ingredients).  I
would find it hard to believe either Heineken or Beck's has anywhere near
the popularity they enjoy here (unless the "home" versions, like Guinness,
are noticeably better) as they do in their own countries.
   But, this question would certainly be better answered by someone *in*
Germany (and Holland).  :)  Just imposing my own opinions, as usual.  :)
   Later.

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From: cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: Are you a Turtle
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:59:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Pete's Wicked Ale
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:13:34 CST
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

As I've said before, the woman I talked to in Palo Alto said ALL Pete's was
brewed by August Schell.  Whether they change it or not, I don't know.  The
only Pete's I've had out here has been in bottles, the only Pete's I've have in
the SF area has been on tap.  I have noticed a difference, but I don't really
know what to attribute it to.  The one from the tap seemed a little hoppier.

Mike Wilson
brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us
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