HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Reply-To: kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:22:27 GMT


In article <1993Jan5.162854.27806@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, 
hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
|>
|>3. They are shackled hand and foot WHILE WITH VISITORS.  This is standard
|>   practice in CA for "dangerous criminals".  Attempted murder falls into
|>   this category.  The shackles prevent full movement, but are not overly
|>   restrictive.  The way Rabbi Levin described them, the foot shackles are
|>   light weight, with about 18" of chain between them.  The hand shackles
|>   chain the hands to a chain belt with about 12" of chain.  This is enough
|>   for general movement, but not enough to put on tefilin.
|>
|>   When they are in their cells, they are not shackled.  Even though they
|>   are shackled, there is bulletproof glass between them and the visitors.
|>
|>   Rabbi Levin is the Jewish chaplain for Santa Clara County.  He has
|>   arranged for people to go to the jail on a daily basis to help the Felds
|>   put on tefilin, light chanukah candles, etc.  (Rabbi Levin needs to go
|>   for tefilin, as he is one of the few people that can be in the same room
|>   with them.)

	I don't quite get it. If they are not shackled when they are in their 
	cells, why do they need help with Tefilin ?

	I heard that they are already free on bail. Is that true?

	
-Itzhak
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:35:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.075958.1292@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

# In article <4618@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

# >(Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

# >> Where do the palestinians come from?

# >From : Egypt , Syria , Afgahnistan, Iran, Magrab ( North Africa),
# >      Turky, Bosnia , Saudi-Arabia  ....
 
# And where do the jews come from?
 
	Glad you asked.

# Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria,
# Morocco, France, Britain, USA, Argentina, South Africa, Australia, Tukey.

	This is where the Jews came THROUGH.  It was not where they
originated.  At any rate, many of those Arab countries expelled their
Jews (those they did not kill) to Israel

	Many of those countries pretty well made sure the Jews knew they
did not belong there.

# What was your point again? :-)

	His point was, and remains, that Israel is Jewish.

# I'm sure the few million palestinians born in palestine would be thrilled to
# know that they were actually born somewhere else whilst all the jewish
# immigrants are actually "from" the great state of Israel.

	Well, since there never was a "palestine?", a grand total of 0
"palestinians?" were born there.

# >For more details look at : Britanica (1910) PALESTINE , population .

# >and at the new very detailed scientific book:

# > Prof.  DAVID GROSSMAN:  RURAL PROCESS-PATERN RELATIONSHIPS
# >        Published by Praeger   March 1992.

# >The book is based on both: written old sources and an extensive
# >researches in the area , aspecially in the samaria farms where the big
# >Egyptian mass population is located.
# >There are a lot of maps tables and diagrams.
# >A must for everyone interesting in the topic.
 
# So are the records of all the jewish immigrants to Palestine. Why is palestine
# always empty so that all of these gentiles keep moving into it?

	There is no "palestine?", so your point is moot.  However, Jews
move to Israel because it is their heritage.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: fbagh@frx706.intel.com (Fares Bagh - EPG Coop)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: the funny thing about Hamas and the Shein Beit
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:47:03 GMT
Organization: Corporation


It is very funny that Israelis are complaining
about Hamas ,their own creation. Lot of the good old
shmutsniks at the  israeli establishment felt
that Hamas would be good distraction from the secular
position advocated by the PLO in the late 70 early 80.They figure
it would go well on the international propaganda scene.
So my khaverym and mu'minin go on killing each other.
It is not the first time the dog bit his owner.
As the world moves on, we will still fight over the bible,
the torah and the Koran. why do you have to drag us into
your Holy Shit.
Solution : inter racial, inter-religious sex. With massive
quantities.
Salam,Shalom

-- 
Fares
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Shin, Doled, Yod question
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:27:18 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

Good luck charm?  
Puts me in mind of the time my tae kwon do teacher (not Jewish) came
to our house and stood there pressing the mezezah for about 5 minutes,
wonderfing why we couldn't hear the doorbell ring. . .

			. . .Alexandra



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Subject: Re: deportation
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:46:19 GMT

fall266@cse.unl.edu writes:

> 
>  I am surprised to see some people defanding the action of deportation,
> how can you do that?
> What is the homeland? by any defination palastine is not the home land of jew
> of russia etc.. because niether they are born their even their ancestors were
> not born their.  Jews migrated from the opprssion of feroh they were given re
> These jews are arrogent, shamless and selfish.
> what about the eight year old girl which was killed by the I.army.  Belive me
> I dont think they are even care for the people whom they are causing trouble.
> I want to tell all jews think If moses(pbuh) would be amoung you what he 
> would have done?  He would have fight against you, As he fought against feroh
> If you belive that you are chosen people then let me tell you you are not 
> chosen for destiny.  Israel is doing every thing which feroh did or hitler di
> What is the difference btw hitler, feroh or I.goverment every body who suppor
> 
> It is shameful to occupy a land and to bring people from all over but to 
> not give the right to those people who are living in the neighbour hoods.

-----
I'd bother to remark about this post, but the silliness and total lack of 
any knowledge makes the point moot.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: the funny thing about Hamas and the Shein Beit
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:05:05 GMT

In article <C0EsyF.I7s@inews.Intel.COM> fbagh@frx706.intel.com (Fares Bagh - EPG Coop) writes:
>
>It is very funny that Israelis are complaining
>about Hamas ,their own creation. 

It is very sad that Arabs routinely blame outsiders for most of their
problems.  It is particularly sad for Israelis, who happen to be the
nearest outsiders and thus get blamed for most Arab problems.

>Lot of the good old
>shmutsniks at the  israeli establishment felt
>that Hamas would be good distraction from the secular
>position advocated by the PLO in the late 70 early 80.

Don't forget that Israel created the PLO, too, right?

>As the world moves on, we will still fight over the bible,
>the torah and the Koran. why do you have to drag us into
>your Holy Shit.

Actually, most of the rest of the civilized world wonders why you
don't keep your "Holy Shit" to yourselves and leave other people
alone. 

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:54:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.050230.24946@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.023123.15054@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>Yes, police are always disturbed when someone they arrest is acquitted.  

Especially after they chased him over a fence and caught him red-handed
with the murder weapon in his possession.

>So?  What does that prove?  

You tell me.

>The verdict *is* legal and binding.

When this happens, it is more than just the police who are disturbed
and alarmed.

>>Considering wild and ridiculous theories as "reasonable" explanations
>>that will cast doubt on clear evidence is becoming more common among
>>some juries.  The Kahane/Nosair case was quite remarkable in this
>>respect.  It took the Rosenbaum/Nelson case to wake people up to
>>recognize a trend emerging.

>But, of course, the jury didn't consider a wild and ridiculous theory as
>reasonable.  They simply found that the prosecution's theory wasn't proved
>beyond a reasonable doubt.

You keep making this claim, but unless you can reasonably explain away
the jury's remarkable discarding of plain evidence, your claim remains
entirely unsubstantiated.  

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Billy Joel
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:35:30 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <4891@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> Shaqeeqa writes:

[ANISA]  "Only the good die young"?
[ANISA] asinA

I guess that is my most of us are still on this net :-)

Tsiel

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: The NYPD situation (was: Say it ain't so)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02:07:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.182405.29546@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

>I, for one, am glad that I did NOT sit on that jury bench.  Why?  Because
>of the passions on both sides of the case 

You will note that at the time of the trial, the passions (of hatred)
were mostly on the side of the Black community.  No Blacks were
stabbed to death by Jews, no Black businesses were looted and torched
by Jewish mobs in a riot, no Black residences were targets of Jewish
mobs crying "Kill the Blacks".  Jews were on the receiving end of all
of the hate-ridden violence surrounding Yankel Rosenbaum's murder.

>and the incredible evidence which
>had to be considered.

And which was ignored.

>The jury in this case really had to look at the evidence
>presented to them and could NOT think about any evidence not formally
>allowed into presentation.  

But the mostly Black jury somehow managed to throw out ALL of the
evidence against the Black defendant.  This is an upsetting turn of
events, and a danger to the justice system, as it stands.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:46:43 GMT

In article <4862@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.231840.28683@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>Unlike the Palestineans, though, I do not run around killing Indians,
>>nor do I make the ludicrous claim that Indians on Reservations are
>>"stealing my homeland" nor that their homes on Reservations are "the
>>greatest obstacle to Peace in North America."
>
>And the best policy is always to pretend like the Indians never
>existed and had no legitimacy thereof!

Silly girl, you've misunderstood completely.

The Indians had their homes here in North America long before Paleface
arrived.  Today, they are a minority here and Paleface has set up
government here.  Their claim of ownership predates Paleface by
centuries.  However, one cannot have 2 governments over the same
land.  So the Native Americans have small amounts of land and the
majority is run by Paleface.  It's the least we could do.

Likewise, Jews had a state, Kings, taxes and laws in what is now
Israel many centuries before any Arabs arrived there.  What is now
called the West Bank, Biblical Judea and Samaria, were the centers of
this Jewish state.  Today, there are many Arabs surrounding Israel,
claiming ownership of the same land that the Jews controlled so long
ago.  So, the Jews have a tiny state and the Arabs have giant tracts
of land and vast wealth.  Allowing the Jews to set up shop in their
own homeland, where they had been established long before the name
"Palestine" was invented, is the least you could do. 

Thus, when you say: "And the best policy is always to pretend like the
Indians never existed and had no legitimacy thereof!" is parallel to
pretending that the JEWS never existed.

>On the other hand, will you now try to deny that Israel has always
>called for the destruction of any official Palestinian opposition?

Israel has long sought to deal with Arabs who are commited to
something other than just the destruction of Israel.  The PLO, masters
of international terror and murder, have violently eliminated their
opposition and claim "sole legitimate representation" for the
Palestineans.  It is the PLO, and not Israel, that perpetuates
"the destruction of any official Palestinian opposition".

>What is good occupation without resistance anyway?

Thank you for admitting your opposition to negotiation and your
support for armed struggle.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:42:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.141841.468@macc.wisc.edu> jfox@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.002211.8279@netcom.com>, horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes...
>> 
>>I remember 14 years ago, when I lived in Boro Park (Brooklyn), and
>>had the rare opportunity to work with an Orthodox man who was in
>>the (ultimately successful) process of blackmailing his wife and
>>her family for a *huge* sum of money, in order to give a Get. He
>>was a pig, but then we must be philosophical about it.
>> 
>>As Chazal teach we are a Tzibur (community) and a tzibur is composed
>>of Tziddikim, Banoniyim, and Rashayim. We need all of them, if only
>>to help us distinguish one from the other. 
 
>Did Chazal teach anything about being "philosophical" about someone
>else's misery? 

No, which is why the Beit Din has (and used!) the authority to force a
recalcitrant/rebellious man to give his wife a Get. And, in fact, this
is *exactly* what was done with the aforementioned individual -- that
is, the Beit Din `suggested' (anyone have a better word?) to certain
members of the community that they might help `persuade' this
individual to `change his mind' and to `do what his neshama (soul
*really wanted to do*'.

It took a long time and, as I mentioned previously, the wife's family
gave in to his blackmail before he gave in to `friendly persuasion'.
But this same "medicine" has been applied in many other instances, and
has been shown to provide symptomatic relief and systemic cure.

You see, "philosophy" is different than "ideology". That is,
"ideology" is for those who cannot change things, so they make do with
sitting around a coffeehouse table, and discussing what they would do
if they only could do it. On the other hand, a "philosophy" is tested
by doing, on a day-to-day basis.

So "Yes", Chazal did, in fact, teach *how* to go about being
philosophical about someone else's misery. And the philosophy is that
we do all we can to stop it.


-- 
Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
SysAdmin/SrTechWriter   | but to get in accord with them; they are 
Tel: (408) 736-3923     | legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.
Email: horen@netcom.com |                     -- Sigmund Freud
From: mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:07:52 GMT

In article <93008.215710PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>In article <1il20cINNar9@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, georg@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de
>(Georg Schwarz) says:
>>
>>In <1993Jan8.210012.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>>
>>>In my view the Germans forfeited their right to their country (a homeland, if
>>>you like) by their actions during the first and second WW's, particularly the
>>>latter.  As I have said before, it was a mistake to allow the German nation
>>>to continue after WW2 and a mistake to allow the recent reunification.  I can
>>>only hope that after the next example of the Germans' attempts to subject the
>>>rest of the world to what they see as their superiority (inevitable in my
>>>view) that the same mistake will not be made once again.
>>
>>>Laurence
>>
>>I just hope that there aren't too many people out there who not only have
>>such a way of thinking but do not even feel ashame making it public.
>>
>
>
>>I think noone should be obliged feeling guilty (nor proud, BTW) because of
>>one's mere race or nationality which one has simply inhereted.
>>No race or nation should be considered superiour or inferiour to another,
>>especially not in moral terms.
>>
>>I know that there are many people (and probably will always be) who take
>>a diffent stand on this.
>
>Yes, I wonder what our dear Laurence has to say about the thousands of
>German Jews who died fighting the allies in WWI.  The German Jews were
>accepted and considered German.  They  considered themselves fully German.
>Do these Jews therefore not deserve a homeland ??  Laurence, not all Germans
>were or are Nazis.
	
True, but the German masses bought the Nazi explanations for all the ills
that plagued Germany at that time.  They apparently felt that sacrificing
the Jews for the glories of a Greater Fatherland was acceptable.  For that
they shall never be forgiven.  It remains yet to be seem whether their 
children have learned anything from their recent history.  Judging by the
re-emergence of the Nazi youth movement, the skinheads, and the Nazi 
rockers, the answer at this time is NO!



>
>--Peter Cohen

Michael Stern	mstern@wam.umd.edu	UMCP...USDA

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From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Summary: Sweet home, Alabama.
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:27:07 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1993Jan4.194657.13384@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>They should be welcome in their own homeland on the Jordanian-Occupied
>East Bank of Palestine.  Working to overthrow the local government is
>enough to make someone person-non-grata in most any country.
>
>-- 
>Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
>American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
>My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.

Would you find it acceptable if Mario Cuomo deported you from New York to
say, Alabama?  Isn't it your 'homeland' after all?  And the 400+ deportees
were *not* 'convicted' of "Working to overthrow the local government".

Tamer Abdelgawad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Muslim women and Judaism
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:49:47 GMT

In article <1itgm0INN7r4@life.ai.mit.edu> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE) writes:
>Anisa said:
>>
>>But the question is, can a Muslim Woman be the mother of Jewish
>>Children?  :-)  :')
>
>Of course not.  Under islamic law a muslim woman is only
>allowed to marry a muslim man.  How can she raise Jewish children?
>She has to be married to a non-muslim, or she doubts the Quran;
>that automatically makes her a non-muslim.

Didn't you notice the smileys? But for the sake of completeness: I can
think of two ways, off-hand, that a Moslem woman could be the mother
of Jewish children.

1. A Jewish woman could convert to Islam. She would thus be a Moslem
   woman, but her children (according to Jewish law) would be Jewish.

2. Someone from a Moslem family could convert to Judaism. That
   person's mother would be a Moslem woman who has a Jewish child.

Note that neither situation requires the woman to doubt the Quran...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Billy Joel
Date: 9 Jan 93 08:29:59 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Someone remarked in this "Jewish Rock Stars" thread that
Billy Joel was Jewish.  I thought he was Catholic (Italian
decent) ...

What about that song, "Only the good die young"?

asinA

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)
Subject: Re: Can mohels circumcize non-Jews?
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:53:07 GMT


>A friend of mine from Washington Heights told me that "the" mohel from the 
>Breurers community Rabbi Katzenstein is frequently called on by the surgens
>at Columbia-Presberterian Hospital perform circs on high risk non-Jewish 
>babys.  They feels he's better at it.   I also heard the Queen of England
>had a mohel do her sons.  I leave that to any  Anglenders to confirm.

Was it the Royal Moyel?

>
>
>David Isaacs			If I said it, why blame anyone else?
>Ok.... So I didn't major 
>in English.
From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Abortion question (40 days)
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:17:20 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu


I learned that the rules of abortion are more lenient in the first 40
days of pregnancy.  A non-Jewish friend of mine asked me where the 
number 40 came from?  

Any ideas?  Is there any medical speculation what is significant about
the life of a fetus after the 40th day.

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
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