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From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: The Decline of America: The Way Out (1): National Women's Agenda '92
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:00:10 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

The Decline of America: The Way Out (1): National Women's Agenda '92 

(note the email address for Womens International News Gathering 
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WOMEN RADIO LISTENER ALERT!     PLEASE POST IN NEWSLETTERS AND BBSes  
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   "The National Women's Agenda: What Women Want and How They Plan  
to Win It" is a program being released to public and community radio  
stations via satellite on September 10 (at 2 p.m. Eastern Time).  
Please write or call your local stations and ask them to carry  
this program and when it will air. The show is sponsored by  
national women's organizations and features organizers and  
Congresswomen reviewing women's major legislation and how to  
make it central to the election.  

   Cassetttes will still be available after the release date from  
WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service, PO Box  
5307, Kansas City MO 64131. (816)361-7161  
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Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:03:18 -0400 
From: "Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz" <ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities


Excerpts from netnews.alt.sex: 25-Sep-92 Re: rights and responsibili..
by Michael Polen@suntory.mt 
> I am only trying to expand the horizons of the term "unwanted pregnancy." 
> We have rape, incest, birth contol failure, rythm method failure
> (oxymoron?), unprepared sex, and, now, surreptitious fetal implantation. 
> The pro-life position is very cofusing to me. I just want to know
> when abortion is OK, and when it is not.

Two points. The rhythm method when followed strictly, just like most
other birth control methods works quite well. When the participants
ignore the method is when failure most likely occurs, just like in 
other birth control methods.

Two.
You just want to know when abortion is o.k. What were you raised to
believe? That is your best indicator.

Now if you ask me what I believe, then that's a different question.
For me, right now, without ever having had the experience of a
pregnancy or a false pregnancy, I would say that I wouldn't abort
any child because I don't believe in killing a human life no matter
what the sins of the parent(s).

I think many people in this country believe that abortion should
be for rape/incest/life threatening to mother and that's it. And
then there is the opposite side who keep on saying it's the woman's
choice, whatever that's supposed to mean.

(Now before all you pro-choicer's get your ears in an uproar, read
what I wrote. I (me and only me) simply don't understand your logic
behind the statement, "it's the woman's choice". Don't take something
as a put-down when none was meant.)

So, when is abortion o.k.? There is no right answer for everybody.
It depends on your upbringing and beliefs as to what will be right
for you. If you pick abortion, I won't agree that you're doing the
right thing. But then that's the way I feel and believe.

ag

[I don't read this group because of lack of time. I took this off
of alt.sex (which I also have no time for. 8->) If you want me to
read your response, please send e-mail. My thanks to those who 
did that with my previous re-directed posting.]
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Hit 'em again, hit 'em again!  Harder!  Harder!
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:49:37 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.


	Bush's latest commercials (tax raises via Clinton) are quite effective. 
One wonders why Bush hasn't used something similar much earlier.  That issue
helped destroy Mondale in '84.

Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: If you don't want Perot:  Bend over to the Republocrats.
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:01:10 GMT

In article <VNCRBD9C@cc.swarthmore.edu> mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie Wertz) writes:
>> 
>Add to this list the fact that Perot is
>
>
>- a person who favors the erosion of privacy rights.  (When asked if his
>stance on such issues was in violation of the constitution, he replied, "We
>can fix the dang constitution!"  Scary...)
>
>- a businessman who utterly crushes his labor force, including enforcing a
>rule that any employee who quits must pay his company $2,000.  (Only
>challeneged in two states, surprisingly enough.)
>

	Just to set the record straight...

	The quote is "we can ammend this dang Constitution". By the way,
the last time we did ammend the "dang" constitution was earlier this year.

	The employee who quits before a certain time period was forced to
reimburse EDS $9K for the training costs. It was challanged after Perot
sold EDS to GM and backed out of GM. Perot Systems has no such policy.

	The first charge that he crushes his adverseries was too vague
to callenge or clarify.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Another Dehumanizer Steps Forward....
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:45:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <mlbruce.717999180@husc8> mlbruce@husc8.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce) writes:
>believe I heard once that brain waves and/or similar signs of life appear
>within hours of conception.

Er, no.  Within hours of conception you're not even a little ball of cells 
yet.

>favor of allowing abortion, it's disappointing to see someone resort to an
>implausible one, that of denying the salient differences between a fertilized
>egg and a seperate egg and sperm.

It can be argued that the egss and sperms are as much individual humans
as we are.  Ever heard of jellyfish?

>Which REMINDS me... as far as I know, I have yet to kill off any of my sperm
>intentionally.

Never Whacked off?  Had sex with someone while using birth control?  I'm
impressed.

>(If you're thinking up an appropriate response, refer back to
>high school biology and kindly DON'T. This isn't "alt.sex")

Actually, yes it is.  (Look at the newsgroups line)  Both drieux and I
are comming (and writing too) offa alt.sex.

>As far as I know,
>nobody on the face of the Earth has ever killed off or even found a way to
>"murder" a sperm or an egg.

.38 semiauto works pretty good. So do vasectomies and tubal ligations.

Big Al.  Who prefers bludgeoning his sperms to death.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Hill & Knowlton: Hired PR for Genocide White Wash
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:33:29 GMT

lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
>I'm not the mesage...just the messanger....
>
>*******************************************************************************
>    Hill and Knowlton is one of the world's biggest multinational p.r.
>    firms, with offices in Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary, Vancouver, Washington,
>    and about 60 other locations around the world. It is owned by a massive
>    British-based parent company, WPP, which also owns Decima Research, 
>    pollsters for the Tories in the 1988 election, and the lobbying firm 
>    Public Affairs International, along with two major ad agencies. . . .

Decima Research, founded by Allen Gregg who made quite a pretty penny
selling his outfit to WPP and retaining a position with his firm, also
provides the 97% figure on Canadian rejecting any move to a privatized
health insurance system like the U.S. (2+% undecided, of the remaining
3%), from the Macleans newsmagazine's annual profile survey of Canada.
This figure has been quoted by Activ-L without attribution or context
(which is even more powerful ...).

gld

PS: Gregg is cool; he's always been a Tory, but dresses like an MTV
host.  Some old hardline Tories can't stand him for that, but he's
helped to keep Mulroney in power so ...
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: That Legal right over Gambit...
From: mlbruce@husc8.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce)
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:44:56 GMT

drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

>mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>]
>] The inconsistency I find even better is the Republican attack on Hillary
>] Clinton for advocating that children should have legal rights over their
>] parents.  This is in exact opposition to giving fetuses legal rights over
>] the person carrying them.

>Ah, lets start with trying to put your assertion into context:

>1. the Unborn are not the Born - a useful distinction.

>2. There are certain obligations, under law, that parents owe children.
>{this has been borne out in the recent case wherein a child sought
>to 'divorce' his parents and seek assignment of said obligations
>to the persons who were acting en loco parenti.}

>Please NOTE that this is a matter of Dealling with BORN PERSONS.

>IF hillery clinton is in FACT advocating something other than
>the maintenance and continuation of the obligations that parents
>have for their CHILDREN, then it is worth addressing. And THEN
>it is a matter of being analogous to the AntiAbortionists position
>of Enfranchising the UnBorn to have NEW POWERS over the BORN.
>Otherwise it is merely the 'politics of dancing' and a bit of
>confussion on the part of the GOP Snipers with regards to
>which 'Family Values' clearly need to be defended.

>So the initial debating point was simply amusing to begin with.
>But Can we also note that Dear Old George, on a Rush Limbaugh
>talk show was willing to address clinton's position on the
>draft and the vietnam war without Addressing his own VP's
>DraftDodge....

>And lets not flower up what Dandy Dan did with a bunch of
>Bullshit - the PUKE was a Draft Dodger with Nice Pull...


>ciao
>drieux


>-- 
>Modern Day Problems

>Does that 'answer' your question,
>or should I be a little more vague.
	Do you truly see no difference between joining a National Guard unit
in which positions were open (contrary to dominant-media-culture
misinformation, the Indiana Guard was not at 100% capacity when Quayle joined)
, and using obsequious letters, relatives' clout and illegal activity to avoid
military service entirely, EVEN THOUGH ONE ALREADY WAS TO BE SERVED A DRAFT
NOTICE? What Quayle did may not have been Patriotic enough for you, but what
Bill Clinton did was illegal and flat out WRONG. There is but one Draft Dodger
in this Presidential race, and who it is should be manifestly clear.

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:48273 alt.rush-limbaugh:6045 alt.politics.bush:6957 alt.politics.clinton:7536 alt.politics.elections:14466 talk.abortion:38945 alt.sex:31088
From: exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:55:57 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Sep24.140350.17545@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
>Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
>Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
>Date: 24 Sep 92 14:03:50 GMT

>varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:

>>> But you made a very obvious faux pas: some forms of contraception have to
>>> be deployed after the underwear comes off.  I pointed that out in a part that
>>> you deleted.  And, you implied that the couple consents to pregnancy when
>>> they consent to sex.  

>> A couple DOES consent to the possibility of pregnancy when they
>> consent to sex.

>If a couple is using contraception, that indicates that they are explicitly NOT
>consenting to pregnancy.

>>> Anyway, contraception fails more often than we care to admit, and abortion can
>>> be a responsible way of dealing with that circumstance.

>> No - it is an irresponsible and cowardly acy. Killing a defenseless
>> child for convenience's sake is deplorable.

>Someone's killing children for convenience?  Quick, call the police!

>You know, I am curious about that word 'convenience.'  Do you regard pregnancy to
>be a mere 'inconvenience?'

>Seriously, I am wondering how women who have had abortions would respond
>to your charge that they were cowardly and irresponsible.

>-- 
>Chris Lyman  /  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  /  #include <std.disclaimers.h>
>           "Remember! Arguments should be FUN!" -- Jessica McGeary

The statement is not "consent to pregnancy" but consent "to the possibility
of pregnancy".  In other words, they consent to take the risk.
//////////////////////////////////////
/* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */
//////////////////////////////////////
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: Dial 1-800-HITLER2? 
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:02:47 GMT

B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (STEPHEN TICE) writes:

>A tally is being made of the calls that come in.

>So if you want Ross to declare his candidacy 
>call 1-800-925-1300. 

My roommate suggested that this number be changed to
1-800-HITLER2. 

He doesn't necesarily think that Perot is similiar
in his motives but rather in some other ways (please read the whole
thing before you flame).

I wonder what percentage of people ACTUALLY know what he believes.

When Hitler took power, Germany was economically in trouble. He offered
economic solutions and, most of all, a scapegoat. Hitler's scapegoats was
Jews. Germans, looking for a better way of life, follow him blindly. He
does deliver on his economic promise; Hitler effected the most quick
and substantial economic turnaround ever. They went from shambles in 1933
to a world power in 1938.		
 
Now, the United States is in economic trouble. The people were looking
for solutions and there don't seem to be any scapegoats. We are looking
for a better way of life and highger standard of living. We are looking
for someone who can improve us economically.

H Ross Perot can help us get out of trouble. He can offer solutions
and a better way of life. he's even found us a scapegoat in the current
political system: politicians and the two-party system. He told us exactly
what we wanted us to hear. He's making us feel like WE ar choosing the
path of his political career (even though he didn't consult us when
he dropped out in the first place). He's doing us such a wonderful service
by offering himslef for presidency even though he said he REALLY doesn't
want to be our learder. And to top it all off, he is ALLOWING us to follow
him blindly like sheep to a slaughter. Do you see any parallels between
H Ross Perot and a certain Germna leader from 1933-45?

We are not implying that Perot would send politicians to gas chambers or
wahtever. What we are saying is that Americans shouldn't follow ANYONE
blindly. Most of the Perot supporters I've talked to (except a few on
tpm) know CHILLINGLY little about him except that he's not a politician.
"I don't know much about him but I trust him to use his judgement."
said a friend of mine who supports Perot. That seems to sum up the
perceived attitude of too many Perot supporters.

As we don our flame-retardant suits,
responses to both:

farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
truemf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
============================================================================
BRI FARENELL				"If you don't vote, you don't count!"
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU	"Eligible non-voters are hypocrites."
CLARKSON '95
A politically incorrect, pro-life, liberal, card-carrying member of the ACLU.
===========================================================================
"It is better to have clean hearts and dirty hands than 
 dirty hearts and clean hands."   ---Rev Jesse Jackson			
	











































Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR ROSS PEROT!
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:51:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.205940.6129@cbnews.cb.att.com>, nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N.
|>From article <1992Sep30.192607.20868@dscomsf.desy.de>, by
|>hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker):
|>> 
|>> I'm not American, I object to Perots demand for Europe and Asia to pay $200
|>> billion a year tribute to pay for US overspending.
|>
|>You can always send the troops home and take care of it yourselves.  

Please do. What makes you think we wanted them in the first place?

To quote a contemporary aphorism 
	Overpaid,
	Over sexed and
	Over here.

What makes you think that anyone would want to pay for the services of an ally
that in the Gulf war managed to kill more of our troops than the Iraquis?

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:49020 ca.politics:8352 ba.politics:5785
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: No on 9
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:01:45 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <adams.717861952@spssig>, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #And even that makes homosexuals look good compared to soc.motss postings.
# #The major news and entertainment media in this country go out of their
# #way to present homosexuals in a positive light -- reading soc.motss
# #made me realize how different real homosexuals are from the image
# #presented on TV.
# 
# Examine real life and you will realize how different real life is from the
# image presented on TV.
# 
#    Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558

Soc.motss is TV?

Or did I miss something here?


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.environment,talk.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Subsidies for Roads and Cars in the USA
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Oct5.051653.14318@s1.gov> <JMC.92Oct5193532@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Oct6.174123.24496@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:49:04

Paul Barton-Davis writes:

     Personally, its not clear to me how the combination of
     bicycle, bus, train, plane and occasional car rental can be
     described as "cramped".

When I left my house this morning around nine, I was undecided where
I would have breakfast and look over my notes for my 11 am
class.  The place I chose was about 3 miles from my home and about
the same distance from my office.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:29:59 -0400 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
	<1992Sep28.133908.1374@Warren.MENTORG.COM>

Comments on a number of recent postings:

Tom Limoncelli wrote:
> In article <4eld68a00YV704lVt2@andrew.cmu.edu> Erik Karl Witte 
> <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >Recently posted by Rini Clarkberg:
> >> I stand up for life too.   That's why when I look at the picture 
> >> on page 310 of The New Our Bodies, Ourselves and see the picture with 
> >> the caption:  "Woman dead on motel room floor.  Her death was due to
> >> an air embolism suffered during an illegal abortion," I want to cry.
> >
> >This is sort of like a murder - suicide.  The woman had no right to take
> >away her baby's life and died while trying.
> 
> Remember folks, it's always important to BLAME THE VICTIM!
She is only the victim of her own choice to irresponsibly have sex when
she was not willing to bear the potential consequences.  If she really
didn't want a pregnancy, she shouldn't have risked getting it. 
> It wouldn't be Usenet without splashes of BTV all over.
It wouldn't be Usenet without splashes of people denying responsibility
for their own actions all over.

Elf Sternberg wrote:
> 	And, as a man you have a right to make that decision for her
> beforehand and pass judgement on her afterwards?
I have no problem with condemning something that is wrong.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Jack S Defends MLKing Slur (Was: ARF DEFENDS HIS HONOR)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:34:25 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL

In article <1992Oct2.144145.5202@netnews.alf.dec.com> harry@netnews.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.232325.22775@panther.mot.com>,
>
>	We know you [Jack Schmidling aka ARF] think the KKK,White
>	Aryans,White Supremists and Neo-nazis are really an enlighten
>	bunch of guys, who are way ahead of their time.  But most of
>	us find them revolting. 
>
>In article <bdm.718010822@cs.anu.edu.au>,
>Brendan McKay (bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) agrees:
>
>

>
>	The activities and beliefs that they promote are either
>	ILLEGAL or unconstitutional (or both).  

>
There are only two point worth noting here.  I reject the allegation
that you cliam I thin the above are enlightened and you change the
subject rather admit you made it up.

Secondly, you charged David Duke with illegal and unconstitutonal
activities and I challenged you to prove it and you changed the subject
again.

js