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From: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Subject: died during 14-miler
Reply-To: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:13:26 GMT


>I've been running the local warm up races for a late January marathon.  Three warm
>up races, a 20K, 25K, and 30K.  I ran the 20K in what was, for me, a pretty
>good pace.  Felt good.  The 25K went even better.  One of the best races I'd
>ever run.  Went out pretty fast and maintained til the end.  But the 30K...
>I went out conservatively, but absolutely died at about mile 14!  I got
>stomach cramps, wanted to throw up, and my legs just siezed up.  My suspicion/
>hope:  I just had a bad day.  If you have a different idea, offer your
>own opinions on why I choked, and, more importantly, on how I make sure I don't
>do this again when the marathon rolls around.
>
>Salient info:  Yes, I'd run 18+ miles befor the 30K.  No, I didn't change my
>eating habits or just return from Mexico the day before.  30K ourse surface:
>100% concrete, flat as a pancake.  Weather was fine.
>
>Happy running,
>-Tom-

   As many of us know, running is not an exact science.
   We try to make it scientific, but is it ??
   Sometimes you can do everything right, by the book in preparation for
   a race and still 'bomb' on race day.

   Conversely, you can do everything 'wrong' or against the book
   and have a great day- it's sometimes real hard to figure out...

   My guess is you were probably a little overtrained- and or over
   distanced when you ran badly. 

Brian.



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From: ramsey@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Brenda Ramsey)
Subject: LA Marathon - Entry Form
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:11:14 GMT

Hi everyone:

Being the Asst.Registrar for the Los Angeles Marathon, I may be
able to clear up some of the questions that have recently been
brought up regarding the entry form.  

Yes, while it does ask that all the areas be filled out,your
social security # is optional (on the forms that have it printed).
The reason for asking for it is, as someone said, IF you are a 
money contender.  Otherwise it is of no use to us.

The areas that MUST be completed, to avoid holding up your entry
form and the mailing of your bib, are:

Last name
First name
one phone number
address
city
state 
zip
Date of birth - mandatory
age
citizenship
Sex - mandatory
Expected finishing time.  Please note that if no finishing time is
	entered, you will default to the LAST corral, regardless of
	what your actual running time is.  So fill it out initialy
	and be done with it.

The Marathon is big on demographics which is why all the other questions.
It helps convince sponsors that we have x number of doctors, lawyers,
etc. in the race and hopefully will result in their contribution.

At the expo, we forget all the demographic info and use only the
categories as stated above.

If anybody has any other questions, please feel free to email me.
I am also the "start line coordinator" so if anyone has any suggestions,
concerns, etc. I am open to suggestion.

Brenda

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From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: pain in my knee
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:39:21 GMT


 hello!

this monday I went down to the track, did 4 laps warmup, stretched
myself, and did a 100m race, fine, then I stretched, and started
on a 200m race, and wham(!), my the backside of my knee hurt me.
Nothing bad, so I run another 200m and it's okay, not much pain.
Now, I fly up 50 of 17inch steps and wham(!), and this time it
really hurts, but it passes after some stretching, so I do another
flight, and it's okay. I'm a bit sore in the evening, but in the
morning I can hardly move my leg.
I took a 4 lap warmup, and it was okay, I stretched and I felt good,
so I put myself in the blocks for a 200m sprint, tried to fly out off
there, but it hurt me very much. When I lift my right knee it's okay,
but when I stop it, to kick down it hurts right on the back of the
knee, in the "fold", the kick off and the rest is okay.
I've had this kind of pain before, but not this bad, just a slight
soreness that would pass over night. I figured I'd ask net-land
before I go see the doc, since I've had the same symptoms before,
and it passed by then.
It hurts when I try to straighten the knee, but to lift some weights
in a hamstring machine is no problems, so I figured it's not a ripped
hamstring (like the lower hold.) Any ideas???

thanks!
- Todinho

Oh, I just increased the intensity of my schedule this week...

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From: barnett.Wbst129@xerox.com (Simon Barnett)
Subject: Races Near Princeton NJ?
Originator: barnett@triton
Organization: Xerox Corporation
Distribution: USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:15:32 GMT


I'm going to be in Princeton NJ over Christmas vacation, and
I'd like to race (5k - 10k).  Does anyone know of any races
or running clubs in the area?

Thanks in advance!
Simon

Return Address: Barnett.wbst129@Xerox.com

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From: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Subject: 220 speed for half-mile
Reply-To: brianw@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Brian Williams)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:07:37 GMT

>just a random correlation, but when I ran with the guys at Oregon, the guys
>who could run sub-1:50 had no problem running 22.5 200's and 53-second 400's
>as their repeat times in workouts.  

>Wait.  As captain of my high school track team, my best 200 was a 22.5, while 
>my best 400 was a 50 flat.  

Sorry, I forget to (>) previous line before:

--- Are we comparing repeat 22.5's in workouts (usually done with a
    RUNNING start) to a 22.5 run out of blocks in competition ? 
    Is this an apples-apples or apples-oranges comparison ? 
    Someone capable of several 22.5 repeats, in the right situation and
    in the right conditions could probably go sub 22 seconds out
    of blocks (if he or she pointed for it).

Brian
From: dmf@acs.bu.edu (David Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Fun with a truck
Keywords: yee_haw!, go_for_height
Date: 10 Dec 92 18:37:12 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Ken says:
>I was out running just before sunset, on the sidewalk, with traffic, on a
>4 lane road (2 each way).  I had a bright white t-shirt on.  I wasn't...
  
> ...  I kept running, after landing.  The driver rolled down
>the window (about 2 inches), and said something unintelligible.  I yelled
>that I had the right of way; he responded that I didn't.  I saw no point
>in stopping and arguing.

Ken, it's great news that you weren't hurt by that event!  You definitely had
the right of way.  Pedestrians always have the right of way in crosswalks and
sidewalks.  (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)

But keep in mind that you never know who you're dealing with in a situation 
like yours.  You never know if the driver will chase you in the vehicle, draw
a weapon, or ...  I had a similar experience near Dayton, OH.  It was about 30
minutes before sunset and I was on a hard training run for the Columbus 
Marathon.  I was doing about 5:45 miles, on a sidewalk that went along a four-
lane road.  Now when I'm doing an easy run I will wave a vehicle on and slow
down so they can proceed in front of me.  But not when I'm running hard.  
Anyway, some guy in a pickup truck was approaching from ahead of me and wanted
to turn left into a parking lot on my right side of the road.  He nearly hit
me, coming to a screeching halt and blocking oncoming traffic because he was
halfway out in the road.  He yelled something like "What's your problem you
jerk?!!".  Without looking back I gave him the finger.  (Mistake #1)  Then
he said "Fuck you!".  I gave him both the right and left finger.  (Mistake #2)
I should have left him pissed at me, but I was too pissed at him for 
considering me a non-person because I was a pedestrian.  I didn't even see
him pass me on the road.  As I approached another parking lot three blocks
away, I saw the truck and he got out of it.  Fortunately, he just stood there
and didn't come towards me.  Also fortunately I had some energy to put in a
little surge and I had the sense not to say anything to this guy.  As I ran by
in a sub-5:45 pace he said, "I got a woman and child in here you asshole!"
I guess he meant that they were offended by my giving the finger but not by
the words 'fuck' and 'asshole'.  By the time he finished the sentence I was
long gone.  

Happy trails,
Dave

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From: milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Eating on long runs
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:22:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47313
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

In article <BzBEsJ.1G2q@austin.ibm.com> spit@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer) writes:
>
>I, as others are in this newsgroup, am training for the Houston marathon in January.
>My training's been going fine so far:  speed work on schedule, long runs more or less
>on schedule.  Problem is, that my long runs get me so hungry, that I can't concentrate
>on finishing.  I usually run in the morning and don't eat anything before, fearing
>stomach cramps if I did.  After 2-3 hours of fairly strenuous activity, I'm famished.
>Do most of y'all eat during your long runs?  If so, what?  I'd think that you'd want
>to eat something with the highest amount of calories possible, no?  Well, not highest,
>maybe...  I can't imagine eating anything with too much fat.  How about those PowerBars
>and things?  Do they seem to process (digest) pretty quickly?  Any comments appreciated!
>
>Thanks in advance!

As a ultramarathoner and trail runner I carry food all the time.  For
shorter runs (less than 3 hours) I carry something with lots of sugar.
Longer runs need more substantial food.  For instance I currently
carry hard mints (they keep a stomach happy ;) ), and packages of
fruit snacks.  The latter hold up well in a fanny pack or in the
bottom of my water bottle holder, and they are 100 cal. per pack.
You can also get used to running after you eat.  I typically eat
breakfast and am out the door within 30 minutes - and I have
never had stomach cramps.

Hope this helps

milts scholl
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rick Marshall)
Subject: shock absorption technology
Summary: any serious studies
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:40:51 GMT


Since my earlier post about Saucony vs. Asics drew no response, I'll
phrase the question a little more generally.  Is anyone aware of any
studies that have been done comparing the various shock absorption
technologies (GRID vs. Gel vs. ARC vs. Air) to determine their relative
effectiveness, possibly from an engineering standpoint?  How much is
hype and how much is based in fact?

Does anyone have personal experience switching to one of these types
of shoes and noticing a significant improvement in shock absorption,
particularly with longer (>20-mile) runs?

====
Rick
From: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running with Knapsack
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:22:40 GMT
Reply-To: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Organization: BT Labs


Hi,

I have a KIMM sac - Karrimor International Mountain Marathon Sac.
They're well designed for running - they have to be for the two 
day 70km/4000m climb (elite class) `Karrimor'. 

If you're having trouble with yours I'd try one - but they're not
cheap. Saying that, the current state of exchange rates, those of
you in America can probably buy the lot of us at the moment!! :-)

KIMM sacs are available from Karrimor International, Accrington,
Lancashire, England (somewhere or other I have the international 
stockists details - prod me if you're interested)

Cheers!

John

jpope@axion.bt.co.uk 	Software Technology, Requirements, G24 SSTF
UK +44 473 646651	BT Labs,Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH IP5 7RE, UK
From: sykora4530@iscsvax.uni.edu (Dawn Sykora)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Reasons needed for running
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:30:06 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello any runners
This is a call for help. Let me explain my problem.  I use to have a running
fanatic husband. Which was fine. Unfortunately right before the Minneapolis
marathon he got the flu and couldn't compete. Then he read an article that 
gave a list of do's about running.  One of which is get a good nights sleep
which with our schedule is almost impossible. He works nights, I go to school
days. So now he has given up running and turned to food.Anybody got any quotes
from reliable sources that I can quote. Which might convince him to start
running again. Thanks much. If this is a FAQ Sorry I usually don't read this
newsgroup.-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Happiness is an attitude, which no one can change but you!
                    Dawn Sykora   in%"sykora4530@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: Ankle pain...
From: bindi@ewd.dsto.gov.au (Bindi Harding)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:46:57 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation, Salisbury, South Australia

After I sprained my ankle about a year ago, I never had proper physio treatment
on it, so it took longer than normal to heal.  Now that I'm back into training, 
(middle distance running), I find that I still have pain around my ankle.

The pain is not in the ankle itself, or in the ligament that was sprained, but rather at the back of my heel below the base of the achilles tendon.  The pain is in the from of a 'pinch' when I bend my foot backwards, and can sometimes be quite painful, although I've learned to put up with it.

Some people have suggested it may be scar tissue getting caught between bones in the joint.  I've had some treatment for this, but it hasn't seemed to make any difference.  Does anybody have any ideas???

Bindi  :-)
From: rmcgover@phakt.usc.edu (Rob McGovern)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Fun with a truck
Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:57:39 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Keywords: yee_haw!, go_for_height

In article <1992Dec8.160124.22587@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:

...Incident with truck removed...
>
>My instinctual response must have been to get as high as possible, perhaps
>thinking that I'd survive better on his hood than in his grille.
>No adrenalin rush after the event, either.
>
>Did I have the right of way?

I don't know about the right of way - You did do the same thing
Armadillos do instinctively - and look at how many of them end up
flattened on the road.  
But seriously - I once did a similar move with a truck that hit me 
whlie i was riding my bicycle.  I rolled up on top of his hood and 
nearly scared him to death as he saw my face up in his windshield.  
An observer told me that I actually jumped off the bicycle (which
was incidentally trashed) and rolled on the hood.  I don't remember 
anything excpet thinking "Oh !@#$ I'm going to be hit."  At the time,
I was crossing an intersectionn, with the light, in the crosswalk
and he still hit me.  


Not a good way to start training for a cross country season though...

Rob McGovern            rmcgover@phakt.usc.edu
From: RWG@buc.edu.au (Rod Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Things to do whilst you're injured
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:27:55 GMT
Organization: Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.8.8

I would like some help to do a program for a female runner who can't run. 
She has a knee problem that is not severe but is giving her enough trouble 
to stop her doing any serious running. She is an elite 10km female with a PB 
of 34min. I have her doing some bike riding, swimming and walking is there 
anything people can suggest?
Your help would be appreciated.
Rod Griffin                                "I hate Illinois Nazis"
Finance Section                             - Blues Brothers
Ballarat University College
Gear Ave
Mt Helen
Victoria 
Australia 3350

Newsgroups:  rec.running,comps.society.privacy
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re:  Los Angeles Marathon and SSN
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:33:05 GMT

I have an application for the LA marathon sitting in front of me.  It does
not ask for ss#.  I know that there are lots of versions of the LA marathon
sign up form and I have heard the data entry people who process them grumble.
I think the people who organise their registration database and the people
who put out their flyers and magazine adds have never talked.
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: Pain in hamsting
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:07:07 GMT

In article <sf_Ik8C00WBKI6TXZC@andrew.cmu.edu>, Richard Darrell Hayes
<rh2u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>
|>       I have pain in my hamstring, from this area, about midpoint and
|>towards the inside, everything below it to the knee is tight and hurts
|>when I'm running.  The pain I have is a buring sensation and muscles
|>(hamstring and calf) that get tight and spasm.  I also have the pain in
|>my hamsting when i sit for extended periods of time.  I've tried heating
|>pads, ultrasound, diathermy, and even rest, but nothing seems to help. 
|>Any ideas?  I would like to get running again as soon as possible as not
|>to miss much of the indoor season.
|>
|>
|>Thanks,
|>Rich Hayes

 It seems like every year I injure a hamstring (one of my own that
 is :-) ).  It's usually because of improper stretching and/or an
 awkward running style brought on by tricky conditions (e.g., ice!).
 In any case, once I get one of these "deep muscle" injuries, the only
 thing that heals is time; usually a couple of months.

 Of course, I try not to aggrivate it too much during that time, i.e.,
 I make sure I'm good and warmed up before I push it at all.

 Chris
             
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From: mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon)
Subject: Re: Pain near the knee. Bad advice
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:27:15 GMT

jrahr@vitro.com (Jeff Rahr) writes:

>In article <1992Dec07.161945.35318@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes: 
>>     I'd try some ITB-stretching exercises, warming up slowly, and
>> alternating sides of the road.

>Well, 2 out of 3 isn't bad.  By alternating sides of the road you are at some
>points running with your back facing traffic.  This may help to get rid of the
>pains in your knee, but may lead to a general overall pain from being struck by
>a car.

Earlier this year, two friends of mine who are doctors ran a half-marathon
at the Gold Coast.  After running 21kms on the same side of the road, they
both had the same injury (which they described to me in great detail, but
it was a while ago, so I don't remember a lot of the jargon) which was
basically an inflammation of the lateral ligament in the downside knee.
Neither of them could run for about 4 months after this.

I agree with Jeff that running with your back to the traffic is dangerous.
However, running on the same side of the road all the time is going to do
you no good whatsoever.  Try to put in as many km's as possible on the
pavement, grass, or quiet roads where you feel fairly safe with your back
to the traffic.

Just my $0.05 ( the exchange rate still sucks :-(  My U.S. holiday in
January is looking a bit tight)

matt

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Re: Reasons needed for running
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:11:14 PST

In article <15890051@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jgr@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Rohrbaugh) writes:
>
>Ken Cooper said something to the effect of, "If you are running more than
>3 miles 3-4 times a week, you are doing it for reasons other than your
>health". 
That is absolutely false.  The health benefits from running are greater
the more you run, even up to 10 or more miles a day (if you know what
you
are doing and don't hurt yourself and take care of yourself
otherwise).  People always say that you only need to run for about 30
minutes 3-4 times a week because that is about the level past which
the marginal returns on you running investment decrease most
drastically, BUT THEY STILL EXIST!
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: races around Seattle/Vancouver region late July 1993
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:11:40 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center



>It looks like I will be on the other side of the pond in
>late July for a friend's wedding in Port Townsend on July 24.
>
>Just to keep me on the slightly curved and not too broad, does
>anyone out there know of any races 800m up to 10km in those
>areas around that time.
>
>jpope@axion.bt.co.uk 	Software Technology, Requirements, G24 SSTF

This is about the time of the U.S. Corporate Athletics Assn. National
Championships. I don't recall exactly which weekend, but it will be in
Seattle. If BT Labs has an American subsidiery you could run with a team
in a wide range of T&F events 200m through 10Km (mostly relays). As a
single you could probably only enter the 5k/10k road races.
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