From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Subject: Jesus & God vs Mormonism vs Christianity
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:33:19 GMT

 
I post this to let others know there are limits of decency that
should be adhered to when debating/discussing any item.  This is
in response to John Muehlhausens distasteful posting on
Christianity vs Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
 
John:
 
Let me introduce myself.  I'm Roger Holfeltz, and I'm non-Christian
and non-Mormon.
 
I'm ashamed of your posting.
 
  1.  From the tenor of your note, you are not justified in
      posting what you did--your whole post indicated
      YOU DO HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND.
      Your own scriptural justification is for darks secrets
      within your own congregation.  Hell John, you don't
      even know your own scriptures.
 
  2.  As neither M or C, I know more about both than you do.
      Don't get in a flame war,  THERE IS ENOUGH MATERIAL available
      to TOTALLY DESTROY modern CHRISTIANITY and it's concept
      of Jesus and God.
 
  3.  Obviously, YOU DO NOT LIVE YOUR RELIGION, or you wouldn't
      have posted what you did.
 
  4.  The Sackets, yes the Sackets, followers of Ed Decker!  What
      authorities you choose!  Their listed credentials are meaningless.
 
  5.  Point:  the Holy Ghost.
      Mormons are given that at the time of baptism, not in the temple!
      This is exactly the same as with the early church, what's the
      problem with yours?  Don't pick nits, Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit
      are the same thing.  The Sackets apparently don't know too much,
      or they would have made that plain--you missed it.  Point one
      on the axe to grind.  Should I go on?
 
  6.  From your post, it appears your just going over the same old
      re-hash and accusations of 50-100 years ago.  Try something new--
      go bash the Masons and their secret degrees above #33, or
      didn't you know?
 
  7.  If you want to talk religious doctrine, try the proper way,
      asking questions that leads to knowledge with a purpose,
      NEVER NEVER TEAR SOMETHING DOWN WITHOUT SOMETHING BETTER TO
      REPLACE IT WITH.
 
  8.  Given the choice of a Mormon God and yours?  Lets look,
 
       Mormon                      Yours
       ------------------------    -------------
       can see                     invisible
       called father               just it
       has body                    has no parts
       has passions                none
       can touch                   incorporal
       uses natural laws           fiat laws
       wants us to be like him     jealous, nobody else
       rules himself by same       can do anything anytime, can be
         laws as children            like shifting sands -- trustworthy?
             .                            .
             .                            .
             .                            .
       ========================    ===================================
       SOMETHING                   NOTHING
 
      Hmmm,  now we have the Mormon God made of something, albeit
      better than us; or your God of inmaterial matter.  Sounds like nothing
      to me.  With your education, even you can deduce, ONLY NOTHING COMES
      FROM NOTHING.
 
  9.  Yes, this is vendictive, I claim no special immunity,  Now go back and
      re-read the early fathers works, then the middle fathers--you tell me
      how you god and religion change from the original, from a real tangible
      God to a philosophical (imaginary) god of everything and nothing.
      Come back after you learn your own religion!
 
 10.  Be happy, your god loves you--to death.
 
A poor Wayfaring Stranger in a strange land,
 
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