HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich in Pink Paper
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:57:08 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <6115@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> colin@man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.181255.2055@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>|> zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Next year's conference, for Britain's estimated five million
>|> >bisexuals, will be organised by the Nottingham Bisexual Group.
>|> 
>|>  *Five million*? Um... Now, I may be completely wrong here, but
>|> that sounds fairly high to me. Any ideas as to where that figure
>|> came from?
>
>Well - assuming a population of about 56 million (that was the last figure
>I heard stated with any authority) for the UK, 5 million is about 10 percent -
>which is reasonable, or not, depending on your politics...

Yes - 56 million is the last official figure, but it was the figure
from the 1981 census! It is certainly well over 60 million now.

I have heard various estimates for the UK gay/bi population, ranging
from 60% bi (probably trying to second-guess people's 'natural
inclinations' by some means), through 10%bi + 10%gay, down to 3%.
Around Cambridge, somewhere between 10% and 20% bisexual is probably
near the mark, counting people I know about - but then, Cambridge is
Cambridge... (-8

>PS Birthday hugs for next Thursday - I'll probably forget to send them
>nearer the time...

Hmm. The things you miss by being away from your X terminal. Have a
happy birthday next year, Fenthe!

--Clive.
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A nagging question
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:31:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep30.175952.24111@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
+
+The scientific method requires that we reproduce each experiment many
+times, paying rigorous attention to the methods of our discipline.
+<If you'd spread a little Brie a bit lower to the right...ahaa...>
+
+Carefully controlled double-blind tests ware needed to avoid artifacts
+in the data. <Perhaps a black silk blindfold...>

Scientific legend has it that one NSF grant went to the study of the
'Lasing Properties of Kentucky Burbon'. All you have to do is come
up with something similar to get your research funded.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnson@swings.enet.dec.com (Dennis M. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Reply-To: johnson@swings.enet.dec.com (Dennis M. Johnson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:55:46 GMT



>assessment of yourself is what everyone else thinks of you. You are what
>you do; what you think counts for very little, especially in the long run.

This is an important concept but from a little different twist. What you do is 
important for determining what you really feel. Often times what a person
thinks should be mistrusted. It's not until a person acts that one truly
knows how a person feels. Therefore, gaining acceptance from others by action 
is not the point. Gaining personal knowledge, and self esteem, from action
is the point.

Dj
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: *grin*
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:18:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.39035
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct5.130934.24932@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
+
+*Grin* *grin* *grin* *giggle* *BLUSH*.
+:-) :-) :-) :-) :-).
+
+Go ahead, ask me about last night--I dare ya!!
+*beam*

Uh, your Maid of Honor, long term friend, and devout christian called
up and said she had just been involved in a romantic relationship with
another woman.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Yay!
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:22:16 GMT
	<MUFFY.92Oct6131051@remarque.berkeley.edu> <iw.718404710@tosser>
	<1992Oct6.231440.4124@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:14:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.231440.4124@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>In article <iw.718404710@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>>gender difference in kissing.  I love stubble, but hate beards.  I love
>>the soft downy hair that most women have around their mouths.  
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Yippee!!  I was wondering if I was alone in this--I find a huge
>difference between a clean-shaven man and a downy-faced woman.
>But then, I've always been tactful.  Erm, tactile.

*sigh*...now I feel inadequately sensitive...next opportunity I get I'll
have to try to feel this...*smile*...

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Being Bi in Melbourne: the aftermath
Date: 26 Sep 1992 10:49:04 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <9226913.25217@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
|OH btw, I don't think I'm giving too much away when I say I perused a couple
|of photos Joe brought along. Heh. Good thing I don't consider you lot gods
|any more, because you sure don't look the part :)
|
|That having been said, I'll have two Coes and one Mike to go, with a side
|order of Orc :)

Hey, I resent that!! I met Mike once, and you're wrong!

-roy (yes, I know it's 3:43 ... but while the TOCOTOX is away, the royster 
      will revert back to being a geek).

(had a drink-date with a person today ... rather interesting.  We basically
discussed the possible extrapolation of BDSM power dynamics to other
situations and relationships ... quite a lot of fun to be had spending time
with some mundanes (or as mundane as one can be and still be gay) (stop it!!
I wasn't referring to that! You people are sick!).

I'm still not sure if parents Top or Bottom their children ....

hmm.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport    rsr@soda.berkeley.edu  anonymus+328@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Wow
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:39:11 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <rhialto.004m@falu.sneakernet> rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.084746.11264@news.acns.nwu.edu>,
>	Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>It's hard to get people to take seriously both the hugable cuddly side
>>and the lustful sexual side to my personality -- not that I'm especially
>>good at sorting things out -- I want to offer people what they want
>>and I don't want to deny one or the other, but it's a lot easier to
>>get people to focus on one or the other.
>>
I think there's a lot of taboo feeling towards contact (see earlier
posts by myself and others deprived of family hugs) which links it
to the sexual side -- many people can't *see* the simple, hugable
cuddly aspect.  It is something which is hard to sort out -- in
particular if you're not used to either, or if the other person is
such that either aspect might be applicable.  If the two combine, it
can get rather unpleasant emotionally )-8

>>Perhaps this is also related to a tendency to be either rather shy
>>or rather blatent...
>
>Yeah, I can be pretty blatant from time to time. Conversation fragments
>like the following are not unheard of:
>
>Setting: room of one of my friends, late at night, back from the pub(s).
>He: Time to go to bed...
>Me: The same bed, huh?
>He: (no response needed)
>
I'm so completely shy and hung up about talking to people that I would
need to be *very* trashed and with a rather good friend to try anything
like this.  In fact, I was, come to think of it....

> [ ... ]
>This shyness effect gets stronger the longer I know someone, because I'm
>afraid that any advances might result in the end of the friendship, or at
>least would make it never the same again. Rationally I know that this
>usually wouldn't be the case, but still.
>
There is certainly that fear, even more so in the case where you may be
pushing the other person's sexuality -- even if they know about you, you
can never tell how they're going to react to something more personal if
they've not considered it before.  As an opposing force, I'd be very
unwilling to try and "get involved with" someone I didn't already know
reasonably well -- but that can be put down to simple shyness around
strangers (or, indeed, people you know but aren't really friends).


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           | There's nowt |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        | so queer as  |"Here's a song to take with you:
                              | folk....     |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: alan@ninja.osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: Chicago, USA: Third Coast Gaylaxians please respond!
Originator: alan@pluto.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:06:34 GMT

[Sent to soc.bi, soc.motss, BiAct-L, Bisexu-l, BiFem-l.]
(Posted for someone who does not have email access.)

Calling Chicago!  Please help!  Contact Jed Shumsky at 215-520-0575.

If anyone belongs to or knows anyone who belongs to the Third Coast
Gaylaxians (a group for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual fans of science
fiction, fantasy, horror and related genres), please contact Jed
Shumsky at 215-520-0575.

Rodger Gonder, founder and president of that group, had volunteered to
host a gay science fiction fandom conference in Chicago next year.
His untimely death has left us without a contact person.  If you are
a member of this group or know a member of this group, please get in
touch with us.

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Other Side of the Closet (Re: Spouses of bi's: anybody out
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:51:09 GMT

In article <66747@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
>well i am sorry but my wife, who is straight but loving and understanding and
>alot more cool aobut my sexuality than I have been at times does not read this
>group. She is too busy laughing her head off at some of the other less 
>relavant, more silly news groups.:)
>
>Ben Gibson

I do hope she's reading alt.fan.dan-quayle.  That's what I read for a good
laugh.  

You know, we do need to create resources for the straight (or les-gay)
spouses of bi-folk.  I wonder how to begin.

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Date: 26 Sep 92 08:17:16 GMT
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <1992Sep26.054022.12653@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> 
 yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:
>But I've gotten away from the point I wanted to make - why should straights
>question their sexuality?  If they're happy with it, why?  You wouldn't ask
>such a question of a lesbian/gay/bi person.  And really, Elf... if you DID
>ask GLB* folk that question - what more would you hope to hear than
>"because I am" ?  Does it really need a justification?

"The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
the time I was coming out as gay/bi.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Keywords: hello...
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:39:10 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:
>Hello.....

   [blink]

   It's amazing, the people one meets in soc.bi...
 

>I hate public speaking and it was extremely difficult to type "world" a
>few moments ago, so please bear with me [grin]!

   That's right, out to the world in one fell swoop! 8->


>(I had to say "world" so a certain someone in Australia would notice that
>I posted....)  

   [blush]


>Thanks, Karina, for the surprise "talk" we had the other day...

   Heh heh...even though you thought she was me? 8->


>And, thanks, Joe, for, um.....for being you!  [smile] 

   Dear me!

   ...Lovers posting to soc.bi about me! Whatever next? 8->

   (Oh, and for the etiquette-conscious - yes, I most specifically checked
with Dawn that it's OK to out her as a partner-of-Joe... 8->).

   (...come to think of it, all the other partners-of-Joe read soc.bi too...
folks, meet another of your number 8-> 8-> 8->).

   [better stop here before I get all mushy...]

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Was socrates bisexual? (Was: Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:21:47 GMT
	<1992Sep28.194234.1193@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: savage hackers
NNTP-Posting-Host: death.corp.sun.com
In-reply-to: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU's message of 28 Sep 92 19:42:34 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.194234.1193@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
   [...]
> What a twit!  (Socrates, not Dean :-)
> The unexamined life is indeed something of a waste, but to choose to
> die just because people don't like your opinions?  That's daft!

  I don't claim to be a platonic or socratic philospher (far from it),
but I don't think that's what socrates meant.  He didn't die because he
thought that people didn't like what he said -- he died, because no one
in greece would *let* him think what he thought, and since the rest of
the world was obvious not as cultured as his homeland, it wasn't any use
to go on, since he would be continually persecuted.  As I recall, the
greeks didn't like his contributing to the deliquence of minors
(philosophically, not as in giving underage kids drinks), among other
things (general troublemaker, stirring up bad feelings, etc.)  In any
case, I think that this again goes back to bisexuality (doesn't
everything?  *grin*) -- that some people would rather die than have to
continually hide themselves from the world (maybe socrates was bi?)  In
any case, if I couldn't say what I was thinking or feeling, I don't
think I'd last too long anyway...

> OK, so I'm terribly cynical about highly-respected figures, esp.
> the likes of Greek philosophers or playwrights of good repute.
> This is probably because I'm too lazy to read them myself, so
> I need to justify my ignorance by calling them dumb ... *smirk*

  That's an odd way of functioning.  I fear that that's what people do
too often on the net -- they don't understand or read what people post,
so they assume what they will and proceed onwards, without actually
listening.  Fortunately, you admit it, and you only appear to do it with
people long dead... *laugh*... plus, I think I understand a bit more
between the literal meaning of your post... *kiss*...

 -- d
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 1 Oct 1992 04:01:06 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct01.002413.17088@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
->fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM said...
->>
->>While people-watching and window shopping on Telegraph Ave. in
->>Berkeley, I decided to by a pin.  Not your average, everyday
->>pin, but a bigpinktriangle pin.  When I pinned it on my breast pocket, 
->>I felt like I had been released almost, or liberated.  
->
->Congratulations!  Feels great, don't it?
->
->>Maybe it was just me, but I've never seen so many smiles, winks
->>and lusty women ;^)
->
->*grin*  As i was also recently people-watching and window shopping on
->Telegraph, i could very well have been one of those lusty women smiling
->at you!

You know, I should window-shop at Telegraph much more often.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport    rsr@soda.berkeley.edu  anonymus+328@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
               It's a great day to be a bisexual pervert.
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:15:03 GMT

SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
: I wonder how all this correlates to the resurgence of ABBA's popularity
: at the moment?  Wandering around record stores looking for the new Peter
: Gabriel album, I find that quietly tucked away on the shelves, and all
: the big advertising is for "ABBA Gold".  Is the GL "scene" setting the
: trend for the population in general?  

In a way, yes, I think.  The resurgence of interest is, IMHO,
being driven by Bjorn Again, the Australian mimic band, and
Erasure.  Now you can't get much more queer-positive than
erasure (ignoring 2 Nice Girls, who Mike *badly* needs fresh
copies of), and unless I am much mistook, Bjorn Again are more
than a little q +ve themselves.  They certainly seem to know
which side their bread is buttered on in terms of Euro tours - 
their crowd is queer, and they know it.

Mike, who admits a certain nostlgic thrill - the Abba movie
soundtrack was the first music I ever bought :-)  I could
probably still do an insufferable Karaoke rendition of all
the words without a lyricsheet, but in my mercy I'll spare you.
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: Weirdness
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:19:08 GMT

In article <1ae1v8INNlor@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> rlebeau@cats.ucsc.edu (Eclipse) writes:
>I don't have a bible handy but I think I remember most of it.  
>
>Adam and Eve, and their sons did not commit incest.  One of the sons
>(I don't remember which) wonders off marries a women from the people
>of Nod (I think nod translated at sometime in some language to nomad).
>Now if Adam and Eve where the first people where did this whole tribe
>of people come from????? 

The apes, of course.  What a silly question...  

Eleanor
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: What is a TOCOTOX?
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:53:00 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <27760.9209270827@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> jrk@information-systems.east-anglia.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
>I keep seeing this abbreviation here.  What does it mean?  Sounds like
>a clockwork doll, but that can't be it, can it?

It's... well, it's sort of, um.. er... it's too complicated to explain.

G (Sorry folks, but _somebody_ had to do it :-) )

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Yay!
Organization: Olaf's Own Amiga
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.8m
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.223408.10702@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
	mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
[differences in kissing men or women]
>All observations of difference are entirely subjective, of course.
>Different people deliberately (or indirectly) change their smells,
>and some people's vary over time (the menstrual cycle being
>generally quite noticable).  Still, the men I've been up close with
>have, with only a few exceptions, exuded a startlingly different
>odour.  It's not that I don't like it - it's more that it's
>an immediate reminder, like stubble, that I'm doing things I
>didn't do before, which can be mildly irksome.  Still, practice
>makes perfect :-)

Oh! That explains why I'm not perfect... not enough practice...

>Mike, who is quite into noses, in point of fact  *grin*

<Olaf puts his finger up his nose>

Aha! That explains why my nose is so stuffy lately!
One learns a new thing every day...

> ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....

    ... wear, we're, its, it's, there ...

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:35:04 GMT

orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
: In article <1992Sep28.194234.1193@leland.Stanford.EDU>
: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd, whom it's always worthwhile to
: flirt with) writes, about Socrates choosing death over censorship:

<giggle!>  [Mike makes coy expressions Orc's way]

: |What a twit!
: |The unexamined life is indeed something of a waste, but to choose to
: |die just because people don't like your opinions?  That's daft!
: 
:    Before people start leaping upon Mike(*) for making this comment
: that has a distressing parallel to the closet, note that isn't not
: completely the same.

A good point, well made.  In my defense, I'll point out that it is
precisely the _death_ part that I objected to.  I have enough
self-containment that I can live on in an environment where my
views are hated, even if I wouldn't be happy.  I guess I still
see some sacredness, some superb, colossal joke in human life,
and it's a pity to throw one away for something as petty as
*ideas* ....

OK, OK, so that's a real head-in-lion's-mouth comment (remind me not
to talk about my feelings on the limits of free speech ... :-)
I'm not really dissing the idea of passionate belief - just saying
that life is more than that.

BiContent?  Well, David brought up this closet issue, and I know
I still haven't completely reconciled myself to the idea that
people can get *killed* for coming out [Anyone see The Living
End, btw?  Great movie with much on queer-bashing and retaliation].
Still, Socrates wasn't being done away with for being gay, 
unless I'm very much mistaken (?).  There is an appropriate
time to die in opposition, but it's very rare.  I find it
hard to imagine that Socrates was really facing a 
preincarnation of Hitler.  I could be wrong, but I think such
a death is usually a waste, brought on by a vain belief
in the importance of the individual.

Waffle, waffle. I'll shut up now.
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....