HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:43:06 CET
From:         Hans-Ulrich Giese <U001212@HEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      new output of my regular 'new/del' mail
Comments: To: NODMGT-L@HEARN.BITNET

friends,

i was asked to provide in addition to my normal posting on new and deleted
nodes the list of nodes which have a
     :newnode. :oldnode.
tag specified.

below i resend my already posted mail with this addition. you may expect
this mail as usual around the distribution-time of the NODUPD / BITEARN
NODES file(s).

-ulrich-

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this is the list of new and deleted nodes for this month.

new nodes:
ANAHUAC  0323 MX BITNET
ARIZBPA  0418 US BITNET
BPAVMS   0505 US BITNET
CMIVMS   0522 US BITNET
ECC      0574 US BITNET
JSU      0944 US BITNET
MISVMS   1127 US BITNET
SPCVXX   1244 US BITNET
SPRING   1315 US BITNET
TCU      1463 US BITNET
UMIAMI1  1769 US BITNET
UMIAMI2  1870 US BITNET
VMNMIMC  1884 US BITNET
JPNIUJ00 0610 JP CAREN
JPNKEK   0613 JP CAREN
ICTUNIV  0108 IT EARN
UCARTCOL 1723 CO RUNCOL

deleted nodes:
AWITUW01 BIBLIO31  BLEKUL13  CENCOL    CNEDCU51  CSBSJU    FRCIRP62
HASEOC   HTIKHT5   ICEP      IRMITSE   ISSCORI1  ISUCARD   ITORIPTO
JPNUTKOM NTIVAX    NTIVAXA   NTIVAXB   NTIVAXC   NTUVAX    PLWAUW12
PLWMEN21 SFAUSTIN  SPC11E    SUFFOLK   TAMCBA    TAMVXOCN

oldnode, newnode tags found :
:node.DM0MPI11 :newnode.DMUMPIWH
:node.DM0MPI12 :newnode.DMUMPINT
:node.DM0MPI53 :newnode.DMUMPIMV
:node.RICE     :newnode.RICEVM1
:node.RICELIBR :newnode.RICEVM1
:node.VMNMDSC  :newnode.VMNMIMC
:node.VUCTRVX2 :newnode.VUCTRVAX

:node.BRUFMG   :oldnode.BRUFMGEE
:node.DMUMPIMV :oldnode.DM0MPI53
:node.DMUMPINT :oldnode.DM0MPI12
:node.DMUMPIWH :oldnode.DM0MPI11
:node.RICEVM1  :oldnode.RICE RICELIBR
:node.VMNMIMC  :oldnode.VMNMDSC
:node.VUCTRVAX :oldnode.VUCTRVX2
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:12:25 EST
From:         Abdel Gharzita <TECHMAN@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Office Vision VM and Mailer ?

    We are considering obtaining the IBM product OfficeVision/VM
 for the OVMAIL (Mail/Note processor) component.  We are currently
 using the Rice Mail/Mailbook product.  I was wondering if there are
 any sites on this list using OfficeVision and whether it works with
 the Mailer product?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.
  AG
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:24:13 +0100
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Handling of Blind Carbon Copy
              11 Nov 1992 16:05:29 GMT from The Crosswell Mailer List
              <XMAILER@FINHUTC>

On   Wed,   11  Nov   1992   16:05:29   GMT  "(Richard   Alan   Schafer)"
<schafer@IS.RICE.EDU> said:

>However, I  was convinced  a while  back that  the present  situation is
>actually correct, using the paper memo analogy: if you were blind copied
>on paper  memo to someone, what  that probably means is  that the sender
>took the  memo to  the copier  and made you  a copy  of the  memo before
>mailing it. Your name never appears on the memo.

True, but there is one difference (at  least over here this is the way we
do it): you get a post-it (tm) on the copy with something scribbled on it
and a hieroglyph purporting to be a signature :-)

  Eric
From: TBEAVERS@CFRVM.BITNET (Terry L. Beavers)
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Subject: Office Vision VM and Mailer ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:44:03 GMT
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Comments:     Converted from OfficeVision to RFC822 by PUMP V2.2X

We use them together quite well here with PUMP as the imtermediary for
routing email to MAILER. I highly recommend you look into using PUMP`
if you would like to use MAILER. It makes sure incoming/outgoing email
is appropriately formatted for OV/VM or RFC822 as necessary.

You can write to the PUMP folks at PUMP-L@UVVM.
We are satisfied with OV/VM but you will find a large number of sites
that will wonder why you would switch from MAIL.
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:16:48 CET
From:         Hans-Ulrich Giese <U001212@HEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      9212 new/del nodes
Comments: To: NODMGT-L@HEARN.BITNET
Comments: cc: Nadine Grange <grange@frors12.BITNET>

this is the list of new and deleted nodes for this month.

new nodes:
ANAHUAC  0323 MX BITNET
ARIZBPA  0418 US BITNET
BPAVMS   0505 US BITNET
CMIVMS   0522 US BITNET
ECC      0574 US BITNET
JSU      0944 US BITNET
MISVMS   1127 US BITNET
SPCVXX   1244 US BITNET
SPRING   1315 US BITNET
TCU      1463 US BITNET
UMIAMI1  1769 US BITNET
UMIAMI2  1870 US BITNET
VMNMIMC  1884 US BITNET
JPNIUJ00 0610 JP CAREN
JPNKEK   0613 JP CAREN
ICTUNIV  0108 IT EARN
UCARTCOL 1723 CO RUNCOL

deleted nodes:
AWITUW01 BIBLIO31  BLEKUL13  CENCOL    CNEDCU51  CSBSJU    FRCIRP62
HASEOC   HTIKHT5   ICEP      IRMITSE   ISSCORI1  ISUCARD   ITORIPTO
JPNUTKOM NTIVAX    NTIVAXA   NTIVAXB   NTIVAXC   NTUVAX    PLWAUW12
PLWMEN21 SFAUSTIN  SPC11E    SUFFOLK   TAMCBA    TAMVXOCN
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:30:29 CST
From:         Bill Harvey <HARVEY@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ListServe Problems

Opps.  I should have sent this here, instead of LSTSRV-L.
Sorry.
Bill
----- Forwarded Mail Follows -----
Date:         Wed, 04 Nov 92 12:03:49 CST
From:         Bill Harvey <HARVEY@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
Subject:      Re: ListServe Problems

On Tue, 3 Nov 1992 15:59:58 EST, "Duane D. Weaver" <WEAVER@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
said:
>In response to Jason's request for people to stop using
>relay.cs.net, I am wondering what else is no longer needed,
>or should be done differently.       /Duane
>
>Below is taken from OHSTVMA's MTPLATE file for MAILER.
[lots of MAILER source routes deleted]

If I remember right, these were recommended back in the days when FAL (and,
hence, most INTERBITs) couldn't handle MX records.  Now that (I'm fairly
sure) all INTERBITs *can* handle MX records, I can't think of a single
reason why we should force the routing through some specific host.

I suppose if a particular mailer uses a particular private gateway,
then there might be some circumstance where that type of routing would
be useful.  But as a "Network Policy" I would say that all of those
routes should be deleted.

Bill
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:15:18 EST
From:         Richard Varenas <VARENAS@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Handling of Blind Carbon Copy

Should Mailer include the "Bcc:" header for the recipient of this option?

We run  Ricemail 92 and Mailer 2.08 and recipients of "Bcc:" mail usually
get confused, wondering why they received such mail.

Is this a function of the MUA (mail user agent) or MTA (mail transfer agent)?

I think mail destined for the Bcc recipient should include the "Bcc:" header.

-Rich
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:41:27 PST
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From:         Joe Sparrow <JSPARROW@UVVM.UVIC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Office Vision VM and Mailer ?

"Terry L. Beavers" TBEAVERS@CFRVM.BITNET> says (in part): I highly
>recommend you look into using PUMP if you would like to use MAILER.

As the author of PUMP, I STRONGLY recommend that you use RiceMail. Many
sites do run PUMP and seem happy with it but . . .

>You can write to the PUMP folks at PUMP-L@UVVM.

For more info on PUMP, send the following commands to LISTSERV@UVVM (aka
LISTSERV@UVVM.UVic.CA):
     GET PUMP LISTING
 and GET PUMPOVVM LISTING    (the OV/VM extensions)
From: schafer@is.rice.edu (Richard Alan Schafer)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xmailer
Subject: Re:      Handling of Blind Carbon Copy
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:05:29 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <XMAILER%92111016281549@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>,         Richard Varenas
<VARENAS@DUVM.BITNET> writes:
|> Should Mailer include the "Bcc:" header for the recipient of this option?
|> 
|> We run  Ricemail 92 and Mailer 2.08 and recipients of "Bcc:" mail usually
|> get confused, wondering why they received such mail.
|> 
|> Is this a function of the MUA (mail user agent) or MTA (mail transfer
|> agent)?
|> 
|> I think mail destined for the Bcc recipient should include the "Bcc:"
|> header.

If you send Mailer a file with RFC822 Bcc: headers, it will deliver the
mail to those recipients.  However, it will also deliver the mail to all
other recipients with the Bcc headers still included, thus obviously 
defeating the purpose of Bcc.  There are arguments that this is correct or
incorrect behavior, depending on your particular point of view.  I used to
believe that Mailer should strip out the Bcc headers, which would certainly
make my job easier.  However, I was convinced a while back that the present
situation is actually correct, using the paper memo analogy: if you were
blind copied on paper memo to someone, what that probably means is that
the sender took the memo to the copier and made you a copy of the memo before
mailing it.   Your name never appears on the memo.

Right now what RiceMail does is build the message with Bcc headers (so you
can manipulate them), then build the BSMTP envelope based on all the headers,
stripping out the RFC822 Bcc headers before sending the message.
-- 
Richard
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:19:09 EST
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From:         PSUVANACHAI@CATHAR.JCU.EDU.AU
Subject:      ES for Arc/Info

    Dear everyone,

    I am developing a mangrove resource information system (MRIS)
    which allows the users such as mangrove resource managers,
    ecologists, or conservationists to interrogate the relevant
    information stored in an unique database.

    However, most of the users are non-gis people. Could anyone
    provide me the avalability and cost of any expert system shell
    for Arc\Info, or other possible ways for me to achieve that goal.

    Thanks in advance

    Phutchapol Suvanachai
    Geography Department
    James Cook University of North Queensland

    E-mail: psuvanachai@cathar.jcu.edu.au
From: CAMPBELLH@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
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Subject: DLG Location Assistance
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:48:00 GMT
              List" <UIGIS-L@UBVM.BITNET>
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Dear UIGIS-L GROUP MEMBERS
We are attempting to add to our collection of Digital Line
Graph oriented maps of U.S. cities so that our students
have a much broader exposure to the benefits of GIS and
strategic planning and analysis. The product we are using
is MapInfo 5.0 and MapInfo for windows which will accept
DLG in an AutoCad (DXF) format or the standard Map Interchange
File Format.

Does anyone have any suggestions on where to look for this
type of DLG data on FTP sites or other Internet locations?

Warmest Regards

Hal Campbell, Ph.D.
Computer Information Systems Dept.
Cal-State University-Humboldt
CAMPBELLH@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
From: meisner@DLRTCS.DA.OP.DLR.DE ((Robert Meisner FE))
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Subject: DEM of Iceland
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:57:57 GMT
              List" <UIGIS-L@UBVM.BITNET>
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We are desperately looking for a good (!) Digital Elevation Model
of Iceland.

1. Is this the right list to ask ?
   if (answer == 'No') then
      please send other mailing -l list address
     else
      please send DEM
   endif
2. If someone knows someone who knows someone etc.
   Please contact me.

Thanks for the help

Robert

===============================================================================
/^^^^^\    Robert Meisner
|     |    System Manager ISIS
| @---0    German Aerospace Research Center (DLR)
|      >   Remote Sensing Applications     Tel    : 0049-8153-28-1314
|     <    8031 Wessling                   Fax    : 0049-8153-28-1445
|    _/    Germany                         e-mail : meisner@dlrtcs.da.op.dlr.de
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Via: uk.ac.edinburgh.geovax; Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:46:05 +0000
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:05:00 GMT
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From:         NCC@GEOVAX.EDINBURGH.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: DEM of Iceland

The forthcoming Bartholomew 1:1 000 000 European database includes iceland.
While it is not a DEM, one of the data layers does contain contours. How
detailed a dataset are you looking for (contour interval, etc)?

Tim Rideout,
Data Sales Support,
Bartholomew,
12 Duncan Street,
Edinburgh, EH9 1TA,
Scotland, Europe

e-mail TWR@uk.ac.ed.geovax (or reverse)
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:01:07 EST
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      loading personal.spl -- SOLVED
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From: Allan Needell

Mohan, et. al.,

I found the problem. It was my own fault. It seems all user dictionaries MUST
begin with a proper ID. It is: ;SP;

I must have inadvertently erased it while editing my personal.spl file
directly. Because my home machine is fast (40 mHz) I never saw the error
prompt that indicated the file was missing the proper ID.

Only by examining the legal.spl and business.spl files did the requirement for
an initial ;SP; appear to me. Inserting it in personal.spl solved the
problem.

Thanks to all.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 92 23:58:43 EST
From:         dave reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Is this a fug or a beature?
Comments: To: NOTABENE List <notabene@taunivm.tau.ac.il>
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              7,92 10:02 pm

Jerry Walsh reports the following excitement:
>
> I have heard the knowledgeable speak of Ctrl-Alt-Esc as if it performed some
> wonderful (undocumented?) function in NB3.x.  Quite honestly, I didn't pay
> much attention since it sounded a bit too arcane for me.  But this evening,
> in Lingua, aiming for an ayin, I hit Esc by accident.  My, oh, my!  My
> colors turned to bright lavender on black, with chartreuse fn call nos, neon
> blue underlining and bright red orange italics.  Where are my sunglasses??
>
Not wanting to miss out on this fun (and noting that one could get
back to "normality" from this mess!), I gave this a try. Hoochee wawa!
I got black background with light red foreground for NM, but my Lingua
characters were chartreuse fg and mauve bg! Other modes were equally,
umm, creative! CTL + ESC did indeed land me back in my mundane normal
set-up. Very curious!

I don't know what that irritating cursor business is about. I will
have to have Bob Kelly give me a demonstration! Is this a pain that
afflicts only those who like to work with pg-line mode (SHF-F10)? I'm
a SHF-F9 type myself.

Oh and one more thing!! Is anyone having trouble saving a default
symbol set? I have the ATI Basic Chutney card in my home machine, and
so I get a wider range of choices than at work (in F1 -> Edit ->
Characters [or Alphabets? I can never remember!] -> choice of sets). I
want to have ATI set A as my default (Roman+/Heb/Grk/Math+) as this is
the one that seems to give the nice "smart quotes". Each time it says
it has saved it to the NBCUSTOM.SET, but THIS IS A LIE!! I had a look
at that file, but there are way too many mnemonics in it for me. So,
any suggestions? (It could be that some message flashes past on the
screen between depressing F10 to make my choice and seeing the "Done"
message come up, but of this I am not sure.)

It's pretty dark and pretty cold as the witching hour approaches in
Waterloo. Now, should I figure that the creative juices have dried up
for the night? or get in a few more hours of "work"? Hmmmm....

David.
--
David J. Reimer, Religion & Culture                  Fax: (519) 886-9351
Wilfrid Laurier University                   Phone: (519) 884-1970 x2680
Waterloo, ON, Canada N2L 3C5             Internet: dreimer4@mach1.wlu.ca
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 92 14:58:00 CST
From:         LAVENDA@MSUS1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Cellular Table Bug?
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Tom,

Please check p. 3 in the Changes and New Features Guide, which points out
that Home and End now move you from column to column.

Robert Lavenda              lavenda@msus1
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:44:16 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lingua brackets and footnotes
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Re: footnotes in Linga /Hebrew

Unfortunately, you must add LA4 in each single footnote
to force it to print as Hebrew. This is of course a
regression after 3.0 (Shapirit) and 3.1.

On the whole, NB 4.0 is almost fully debugged; Lingua,
however, still needs large-scale debugging AND restitution
of older useful features. When this is done, no software
can compete with NB. At the moment, Lingua users, esp.
the Hebrew chapter, must devise ad-hoc solutions for
various problems.

Itamar E-Z
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Al,
   I think the book you are looking for is published by McGraw Hill.
It is by Seven S. Ross and is titled "Data Exchange PC/MSDOS".  My
copy is copyrighted 1990.  There may be a more recent edition.
The ISBN is 0-07-053923-5.  McGraw-Hill maintains a tool-free number
for their materials, it is 1-800-2-MCGRAW.

   This book details most of the major file types on the market today
and provides source code for basic translation.

Regards,
Brian W. Harriger
BHARRIGE@SNYESCVA
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:26:20 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Silly Problem?

>Since installing Windows, and the NEC to use with Ami etc, I find I get bad
> printout with NB!
>
>Is this just some kind of silly coincidence?
>
>Judy Evans
>jae2@uk.ac.york

No, it means that Windows and NB are BOTH performing character
substitutions to tell your printer how to print when its "ASCII" codes
don't correspond completely to the IBM "ASCII" codes (a common
situation for above-127).

After installing Windows, I found that a simple u" (u-umlaut), which
used to print nicely, came out on my Toshiba 321SL as a box-graphic
corner character, the exactly right character for the code number NB
was sending instead of ASCII 129, the IBM numbering for the u".
Windows (the right hand) doesn't know what NB (the left hand) is
doing...

The obvious solution is to go into the printer table for your printer
and disable the substitution (SU:) sections by putting a semicolon at the
beginning of each line. If you then get problems with selected
characters, you can go back in and remove the semicolon.

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 92 11:39:28 -0600
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject:      dot matrix Printers
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

I'm going to have to retire the 7 pin panasonic 1080 I currently have
connected to my home computer, now that I've got Lingua and have seen
the laser output (with the _non-spooling_ help of DMP).  All I can
probably afford is another dot matrix (one of the 24 pin jobs, I assume).
Can any of you give advice and experence with lingua output from any
dot printer?  Any I should avoid?  Any going on sale soon? (or should
I hold out until I can afford the HPIII that ought to be "dirt cheap"
now that they've released the HPIV?)  Any and all help would be most
appreciated.

--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 92 22:11:11 EST
From:         Joel Lidov <JBLQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      DIR, Help, vanishing
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.notabene

Thanks to Tony Woozley for guiding me to the line in .hlp that set NW=0
and causes directory listings to disappear as soon as you use them.  Setting
it to 1 fixed the problem.

Looking around while there I found what makes ESC cause a file to vanish as
well.  The keyboard function  OV with the parameter wt sets the ESC key to
do an ABandon w/out warning.  (You can try it by calling a file,
then:    F9 func OV F10    and press the two letters  wt   (you won't see
them).  Do whatever you want to alter the file, press ESC, and it's gone.)
From what I can tell with minimal experimenting, it only happens once with
each invocation, but they do stack.  If you press F1 with a directory on
screen, you somehow stack 2, so that if you press ESC to get rid of the menu,
one is left.  The function seems to be important for clearing Help windows.

Joel Lidov
Queens College CUNY
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 92 20:06:38 -0500
From:         "Sarah L. Higley" <slhi@TROI.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CTRL-= and CUSTOMIZATION
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In response to my query about how to describe the command for deleting a line,
Ken wrote: "p. 33, QRG, Shift, Alt, Del" etc.  Ken, thank you, this is
helpful if I want to know how to do it as NB4 has set it up, but all I
want to do is recustomize my keyboard.  I need to know how that
command is described.  I can go in and find it for the shift alt delete
table, but what I really want to know is if ##=rl will do the trick.  RL
is an old 2.0 description; I haven't yet found it in the new keyboard files.

New question about /x:  In evoking these switches, I notice that the "/x"
part is erased and I get "ca nbkbd" for an instant before the file is
called instead of "ca /x nbkbd."  Is this normal?  Is the switch in effect?

And one more question before I try this explosive experiment again: am I
required to change ALL the redundant math key settings in the alternate
language sections of nblingua if I change it in the default keyboard?
i.e., go in and change it for Slavic, Greek, Hebrew?  Or will the settings
tolerate a contradiction--as long as its in a separate keyboard?

Sarah
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