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From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Re: Bob Dylan
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:31:05 GMT

ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>Okay, I'll bite.  

And you raised a welt on me.

>[much of a mostly thoughtful and reasonable article deleted]
>....
>I think he's the finest songwriter rock music has ever produced, and 
>the *only* songwriter in rock music whose lyrics can legitimately stand
>on their own as great poetry.

Have you ever heard of Bruce Cockburn?  He has all the poetic talent
of Bob Dylan and the voice and musicianship that God saw fit to
leave Bob without.


>The bane of Christian music is triviality:  tired cliches, reciting
>Bible verses instead of interpreting how those verses apply in 
>people's lives, an insistence on the upbeat and on warm, fuzzy
>feelings instead of on the cross where Jesus died and the cross
>that we are to take up daily in following him.  So yeah, it bugs
>me that the same guy who wrote "Inside the museums infinity goes
>up on trial/Voices echo this is what salvation will be like after
>a while" as a non-Christian is content to churn out "I've been
>saved by the blood of the lamb" as a Christian.  The entire "Saved"
>album is one big cliche - from the title to the cover art to every
>single song inside.  And when Dylan adds to the cliches by writing
>sexist tripe like "Covenant Woman," wherein he prays for a nice
>Christian girl to stay home and bake his bread for him, my own
>offensometer (TM - thanks, Jerry) goes off the scale and I'm tempted
>to consign the whole mess to the outer darkness of my garbage can.
>This album stinks.

I agree with your first sentence; this is what made Keith Green so
disgusting.  (Might as well spread the fire :).  But at the same
time I feel that Keith was annointed and a prophet of our time -- 
more important than Dylan who is a great poet.

But perhaps you're missing the point of "Saved".  I feel that the
album is consistent with the genre.  Perhaps you don't care for
black-gospel music.  Such music is filled with "cliches" and
"happy-go-lucky" attitudes.  You are right about the cross in your
paragraph above; but Christ came and died on that cross that we might
have life and that more abundantly.  There are times I need to be
reminded to praise God even though I feel the weight of
the task set before me.  


>			.  And if I could only take three Dylan
>albums with me, I'd still take "Bringing It All Back Home" and
>"Highway 61 Revisited" and "Blonde on Blonde."  Sorry, but "Saved"
>would not be saved.

Highway 61 Revisited?  You've got to be kidding!  The only thing Dylan
has done that was almost as bad was his not-so-recent appearance on
the Grammys -- "nananananananan baby...."

All in good fun,
--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Home For Christmas
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:23:34 GMT


Well, Amy Grant's new album, "Home For Christmas" was released October 5th.

Anybody heard it yet?  How is it?  I'm dying for a commentary....
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From: sci40027@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO CHOO LIANG)
Subject: **Someone send me a mail..**
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:14:32 GMT

Hi!  Someone send me a mail regarding some discussions on music,
and before I could read it, I lost it!! I wanted to save it first
(as it was quite a long mail), and to my horror, I got the msg
"Disk full..." ...so the mail was lost and I could not retrieve it.
I'm sorry, but could that person pleeeeease mail me again...I'd love 
to hear from you !!!

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From: asm@ee.mu.OZ.AU (andrew scott malone)
Subject: Richard Page (was: A couple of questions.)
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:50:33 GMT

In article <BINKS.92Oct13091043@luna.compsci.bristol.ac.uk> binks@luna.compsci.bristol.ac.uk (D. Binks) writes:
>The first is I know that Richard Page of Mr. Mister was involved in a song on
>one of Amy Grant's albums, which one was it ?

He appears to be some sort of 'regular guest artist'.

I know he does the BGV on:
	"Stay for Awhile" (The collection)
	"I Love You" (Unguarded), and also another one or
two from this album. (Guesses: "Sharayah" &/| "Love of Another Kind")


>The second is related, does anybody know what has happened to Mr. Mister ?

Good question. Anyone know?

Andrew
asm@ee.mu.oz.au
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: Music about heaven
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.112244.5017@eua.ericsson.se> euahbg@eua.ericsson.se (Hans Bengtsson) writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I'm having a radio program in a couple of weeks and this
>program will be about HEAVEN. About what I think of
>heaven, what others (christians as well as others) think
>and what the Bible says about heaven. Now I need some
>good music to balance my usually boring babble. I have
>already chosen to play "Heaven is a real place" by 
>Charlie Peacock and "heaven" by the Allies. But I need
>just a few more songs. Songs about how it will be there
>and songs about longing to get there. And I don't mind 
>something hard&heavy. Well, I know that the gathered
>experience among you rmc-readers will give me lots of
>good ideas. 

If it's not too mellow, how about "Heaven Is Being With You" by
Silverwind?  Also, there's a song by Barren Cross on their album
_Atomic_Arena_; I can't remember the title right now.  Ah - got it.
"Heaven Or Nothing".  (Although I think it's more of a love song.)
Try "Dream In My Life" by King's X (my favorite song - finger me
for the lyrics!).  "When I Stand With You" by Charlie Peacock is
also along those lines.  "Crystal Throne" - Michael W. Smith.
"The Now And The Not Yet" - Amy Grant.

I could probably find more if I searched my collection, but this
is about all I could come up with off the top of my head.  Hope it
helps!  God bless!

>Yours,
>Hans Bengtsson

			--Michael

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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: DA:Doppleganger on CD?
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:45:13 GMT
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urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu wrote:
: In article <1992Oct15.132434.19451@eng.umd.edu>, yag@eng.umd.edu (Eric Funk) writes:
: > 
: > Is the DA (or Daniel Amos) album "Doppleganger" available on CD? My
: > friend is interested in getting it.
: 
: According to True Tunes magazine, Yes. Say they, it is being reissued on disc.
: Call them up: 1-800 669-TRUE.

I bought it about a month ago from Long's Christian Music - email me if
you want their number (of course the local bookstores swore that it's
never been on CD and has been out of print for years).

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From: randy@uutopia.dell.com (Randy Price)
Subject: Re: Music about heaven
Organization: Dell Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:51:22 GMT

Any version of Michael English doing "I Fell to My Knees and Cried Glory" would qualify as one of the
most moving pictures of heaven.  The version on the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir Live Again is
exceptional.

Randy
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: Jonathan David Brown convicted
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:07:51 GMT

In article <drice.718497908@ponder> drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice) writes:
>Brown has produced albums for Twila Paris,
>Petra, the Gaither Trio, and Bob Bennett, and recently released an
>album of inspirational music.

Brown doesn't bother me so much (I'm coming to expect things like this) but
what does this say about the artists?  Wouldn't you think they'd know about
his feelings?  I hope they don't agree...
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From: yorrick@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Lincicome)
Subject: Re: Christmas Albums (was Re: Home For Christmas)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:30:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.201927.24353@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>                                          It's just that when you've
>heard one "Winter Wonderland" you've heard them all.

Have you ever heard Stryper's version?  :->

Take 6's Christmas album is genuinely different, and the _Evening In December_
albums have some terrific arrangements.  Mostly, though, I'll agree with you.

Who else out there had enough "Come On, Ring Those Bells" in the early 80's 
to last several lifetimes?  If you don't know the song, don't worry, you've
been spared.
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Petra's Backmasking
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:40:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi, all!  Things got pretty boring here at Georgia Tech last night, so 
a couple of us on the hall started sampling stuff into this guy's computer
and playing it backward.  Anyway, for the record, the beginning of
Petra's _Judas Kiss_ says 'Why are you looking for the Devil when you
ought to be looking for the Lord.'  It sounds pretty funny played backward.
It's Bob Hartman doing the talking, and he gives the last word the 
'televangelist' accent (Lahwuhrd!)

One Bad Pig's cover of the song says 'Why are you still been looking for
the Devil?  The Lord's been looking for you.'  It really freaked out a 
couple of people when they heard what it said :-)

Just in case anyone cares, we played the infamous section of 'Another ONe
Bites the Dust' backward, and it's a MAJOR stretch to get 'Start to smoke
marijuana' out of what comes out.  The people that did that 'Hell's Bells'
video must have done some major doctoring to clear it up.

Finally, some thrash band called Minor Threat sounds exactly the same
backward or forward :-)

JRjr
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'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Please HELP me join a Christian CD club...
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:27:10 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct14.205959.21167@news.nd.edu> mmilbock@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (mark milbocker) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I am interesting in buying some new Christian CD's, but don't
>know where to start looking for a CD club.  If you can provide me
>with any information, I would appreciate it.

Hi,

I am interested too, if someone will be so kind to put me in their
cc:, I would appreciate it.


Brandon
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chippen )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: >>>>>> 77's <<<<<<
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:07:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2t7y.72M
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT) writes:

>> > 
>> > Just listened to my Sticks and Stones CD again last
>> > week and just had to say this....
>> > 
>> > Zowie! Katowie! Bim! Bam! Skiflang!
>> > Is "The Way Love Is" the best song you've ever heard 
>> > or what!!!!
>> 
>>  YUP!!!!
>> > 
>> > Okay... I'm done. Thank you for your attention.
>> > 
>> > -- Tim
>> > 
>> The                DOK

>  I concur!  Excellent.  Why don't they do more studio stuff?  I have their
>live album called 88 and its lame.

>John.    JHIATT@GEMINI.SIM.ES.COM

The new 77's album is on it's way.  I don't know the name (it used to be  
"Pray Naked").  Look or ask for it in you local ccm store it is being shipped.
catapult this combo to teenage stardom (yea so they arn't teens).

also through stunt records a new two album set is being released containing
old da, 77's stuff (and a few other bands)

if you like vintage 77's (ping pong,etc) then you should like this.

chip

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From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Extreme "More than.." and new cd
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:49:09 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: adhara.cs.bucknell.edu

I just bought their new album myself (on the advice of this wonderful newsgroup),
and I must say that if I didn't know or hear anything about them before hearing 
this album, I'd swear they were Christian, or at least had a deep belief in God.
It also shows how much they have grown musically since Pornographitti.  I am
glad that I invested.

c y'all around

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: yag@eng.umd.edu (Eric Funk)
Subject: DA:Doppleganger on CD?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:24:34 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park


Is the DA (or Daniel Amos) album "Doppleganger" available on CD? My
friend is interested in getting it.

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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: FAREWELL TO JULIET
Summary: FTJ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:18:45 GMT
Keywords: FTJ

Hello.  I've received many letters recently regarding my band,
Farewell to Juliet.  I thought it might be nice to reproduce
my response to a typical letter, which contains info I've
told everyone who's written so far (more or less).  Thanks
again for all your correspondence.  God Bless!

******* begin **********

Thanks for your mail.  I hope that we can consider ourselves
ministers as members of FTJ, but no, I'm not ordained or
anything. ;)

Our singer IS King of Youth (i.e. Youth Director) at Windsor
Road Christian Church in Champaign.  That might count.

Our music falls somewhere in the realm of ... get ready ...
Choir King's X Police Fixx Midnight Oil Adam Again 77's
You know, THAT kind of thing.

We're pinching pennies to go and make a very professional
recording for a tape/CD.  Probably just a tape first.
When we're as big as King's X we'll be able to afford the
better format for sure.  For now, we have our 4 track demo.
It is only meant to be a demo, but it IS listenable, IMHO.
A good job for four track, but four track nonetheless.
If you'd like it, send me one blank tape of your choice
and a buck or two to cover postage; I can make a decent copy
for you from my Denon deck to Sony deck.

Adress:
Farewell to Juliet
c/o Jeff Elbel
2203-101 Hazelwood Drive
Urbana, IL  61801-6546

I am really ashamed to admit that I forget which poem  the name "Farewell to
Juliet" comes from; I'll find out this weekend by digging through the
book.

However, the name has a special meaning for US.  To wit:

"Being dedicated enough to what you believe in to leave behind
the things of the world; even those things that you love."

Thanks again for the note.  Hope to hear from you.

Jeff
********* end ***********
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From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: Christmas Albums (was Re: Home For Christmas)
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:31:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <92811@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>heard one "Winter Wonderland" you've heard them all.  And there just
>>aren't that many good original Christmas songs being written to 
>>warrant the glut of Christmas albums that flood the market every year.

Christmas music!

The tapes I play the most are Amy's Christmas Album and some tapes
done as a benefit in the pacific northwest (ie northwest corner of
continental USA) with local bands, some rather imaginitive. Great
for those of us who live where it don't snow much and hate Winter
Wonderland (Christmas in the northwest/is a gift God wrapped in green)
Heart, a local band, did a cool song last year.

for fun - can't beat Bruce Springsteen's Santa Claus Is Coming to Town

for Jesus, gee, well, I'm quirky. About Christmas time I pull out
2nd Chapter of Acts *with footnotes and Keith Green's For Him Who Has
Ears to Hear, and I listen to Easter Song.

You know...

hear the bells ringing
they're singing 
that you can be born again
hear the bells ringing
they're singing
Christ is risen from the dead

One year in school when I was working in a daycare, some kids and
I made some lovely painted bells in pastels and hung them on a 
bulletin board I'd done with ice blue and "snow" and glitter. The
caption?  Hear the bells ringing they're singing that you can be born again...

-jen
From: pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Real monikers of the (swirling) Eddies please (was Re: <None>)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:30:23 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

[da Eddies roster deleted]
> 
> Sorry, but I don't know who Prickly Disco is.

i thought Prickly Disco==Gene Eugene...right?

clueless chuck
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:11:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.214720.10372@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>> >caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>> >> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>> >> >caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>> >> >>jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) 
>> >> >>writes:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>jason "next they'll be saying there's no such thing as free 
>> >> >>>will" steiner
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Free will is largely overrated.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yeah?  Well, I think God is forcing me to ignore your opinion.  
>> >> 
>> >> Quite possibly, the question is, though, is he simply honoring 
>> >> your  desire to ignore my opinion?
>> >
>> >and if he is? it's still my desire.
>> 
>> Ah, but free will aonly lets you desire, it doesn't let you *do*. 
>> Hence, it is overrated, not non-existant.
>
>and if God is letting me do as i please i have both desire and action.
>it's all moot anyway, 'cause even if we don't have free will it
>-looks- like we do.

Nay, I say, not moot. Ity is possibly the single most significant question
facing christians today (or ever) because it is critical to the question:
why do bad things happen to good people? And why is this question critical?
Because the answer to it drives how we handle problems (or desire to handle
them, to be more accurate). It is not moot, it is only difficult.

>fairly analagous to the "This might all be a hallucination. But I might
>as well act like it's real, 'cause it could be, and if it's not, I
>can't tell the difference."

Ah, but can you tell the difference? More importantly, can you influence
"reality"? A very important topic, neither pointless nor moot. Anyone who is
interested in further discussion is invited to e-mail me (and thus take this
off the group). 

However, Jason, for one who desires so heavily to think, you seem content to
simply dismiss this rather significant cahllenge of the mind. True, or am I
reading you wrong?

> "I'd explain it to you, but your head would blow up." - S. Wright  

I doubt it.


Topher
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 16 Oct 1992 09:52:31 CDT
From: <U59919@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Tab for The Great Adventure

Does anyone out there have some guitar tab-or sheet music- for
The Great Adventure
by Stephen Curtis Chapman?
Any help would be appreciated.

Thanx in advance.
Theodore Penn
From: drees@plains.NoDak.edu (Steve Drees)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Veil Of Ashes
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:51:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.21109
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct11.163513.3616@memstvx1.memst.edu> urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.043533.4335@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, u925816@postoffice.utas.edu.au (The DOK) writes:
>>     I know I'm a bit slow, but I only got Veil Of Ashes' Pain the other 
[ bunch of deletions ]
>some of the songs (esp. "Obsexed") were too harsh lyrically. "Life is pain:
>anyone who says differently is selling something." (Name that movie!)

The Princess Bride

>						Richard Vance.
>						URMVANCE@memstvx1.memst.edu


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