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From: shimeall@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall)
Subject: Re: Keeping Females in their place (a la Anne Schaef)
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:17:16 GMT

In article <9301252229.AA05663@paxvax.EE.CORNELL.EDU> seid@paxvax.ee.cornell.EDU (Steve Seidman) writes:
>Continuing with further summary and comments about
>the book "Women's Realities" by Anne Wilson Schaef,
>we'll focus primarily on her list of coping mechanisms
>women have used in reaction to the WMS, and the ways
>the WMS operates to "keep women in their place"
>
>WMS = White Male System
>FS  = Female System.

[Much summary (171 lines) deleted]

I am amazed by the blatent racism of this thesis -- that the system is
the "White Male System" and that "white males" are as a class harder
to be nondiscriminatory than other types of males ("constantly having 
to overcome their feelings of superiority", etc.)  The racism here is clear
-- men are REALLY bad only if they are white, and no white man
can REALLY be good.  This racism is unfortunate for two reasons:
 a) much of what Schaef describes of how some men and some women
    react is important, and that import is both diminished and 
    made easier to reject by Schaef's continued racist retoric;
 b) by explicitly identifying the societal preassures against women
    as "the white male system", Schaef allows non-white oppressors
    of women to justify themselves as "see -- I'm not so bad"

The UN studies on the status of women make it quite clear
that oppression of women is NOT a White Male System -- it is pandemic 
across cultures.  Does anyone know of evidence (not theory -- evidence)
that a significant difference exists in the difficulty of training out 
sexism in white men, white women, non-white men or non-white women?
				Tim


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From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Subject: Sexual repression and pornography
Summary: I doubt the former causes the latter.
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:06:00 GMT


In article <1ji7gg$bhh@agate.berkeley.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> Please also be aware that porn is not a herald of sexual FREEDOM but a
> symptom of sexual repression.  Why else would there be such incredible
> mystery and such a huge economy surrounding something so simple?  The
> Victorians were the most sexually repressed (commonly known) bunch of
> people in the world; they had a porn industry the likes of which would
> make Larry Flint salivate. ...
>
> ...  Victorian England and the Ages of Faith in Europe are fine
> real-life examples of how sexual repression breeds an entre
> subindustry dedicated to exploitation of sex.

I would be interested in any good studies that attempt link
sexual repression and pornography across various cultures.  I
realize that there was a lot of pornography in Victorian England
compared to earlier times, but I did not think it was nearly as
much as now.  Is this increase because England has become more
sexually repressed since the Middle Ages or because printing has
become cheaper?  And if pornography is a symptom of sexual
repression, why is Saudi Arabia not now a font of pornography? 
And why did the Hellenes have so much more pornography than 
the Hebrews when the latter were so much more repressed?

I am *very* skeptical of the notion that pornography is a symptom
of sexual repression.  Sexual repression, in one guise or
another, is endemic to most cultures.  The availability of
pornography seems to have much more to do with economics and
technology and how culture affects expression.  

> People say this all the time for drugs ...

And they are wrong.  Drug use in the U.S. has increased or
declined *independently* of drug legality.  Legalizing a drug
neither engenders its increase nor guarantees its decline in the
long run. 

> ... Perhaps we should be screaming "Decriminalize sex!" in
> the streets; I'd do it.  Perhaps also, "Decriminalize the 
> female body!" ...

I'll join you!  Whether it lessens pornography or not,
it is a good cause.

Russell


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From: tittle@alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: New Moderator
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:50:28 GMT

Some of you may remember that we solicited volunteers for additional
moderators last November.  There were three volunteers, and we
selected two of them: Cindy Blank-Edelman and Paul Wallich.  Cindy
bowed out due to an increased work load, and Paul was delayed first by
a trip to Europe and then by recalcitrant software as he tried to
modify the script that Muffy and I use to approve and post
submissions.

By the way, volunteers are ALWAYS welcomed; if you wish to volunteer,
let us know at any time.  The process is that we will subsequently
notify readers of the volunteer and ask for opinions.  Unless
overwhelmingly negative, the person is then added to the moderator
list.

--Cindy, Muffy and Paul (moderators, soc.feminism)
From: sharring@cs.tamu.EDU (Steven L Harrington)
Subject: Re: thinking that numbers are God(tm)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:14:31 GMT

In article <1jmig5$ep4@agate.berkeley.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>While it is true that numbers are valuable tools, this insistence on
>some men on the net to not belive in ANYTHING unless it can be
>numerically stated is really stupid.  You all remind me of carpenters
>who have only one hammer and won't acknowledge the existence of
>anything but nails.

[deletia]
>
>Face it, guys.  Numbers are hammers.  When they don't fit the bill,
>give `em up and start using your right lobes for a change.  If I were
>to call you all cuntsucking assholes (to use a phrase) would that not
>matter?  Likely it would piss you off like all hell.  Well, express
>your piss-offedness in numbers, please.  Kindly explain to me, using
>the latest numerical technology and statistical analysis, just HOW
>you are pissed off when I say that.  You can't?  Oh, well.  Guess it
>doesn't exist, and I can just keep right on calling you all
>cuntsucking assholes until doomsday since you can't PROVE to me that
>you are REALLY bothered by it.  If you could only CONVINCE me that
>you are bothered, I'd be happy to stop!  But, you can't put it in
>numbers?  Sorry.

I don't necessarily disagree w/ the anti-numbers and anti-science
crowd completely, but I would just like to suggest that this thinking
could possibly be counterproductive if too many folks buy into it too
dogmatically. There are those among the soc.fem crowd who are labeling
science and math and numbers as "male". If you feel this way, that's
your own business, but if women are led to believe this on a large
scale I believe that it will hurt both women and the country/economy.
The future of business, industry, etc. lies in increasingly more
technical fields. Thus, we need all the bright minds we can get in
science, engineering, math, etc. However, if women are convinced that
this is "male" thinking and is somehow inherently sexist, then they
will steer away from such fields in droves. This will make them
(potentially) less employable and will have adverse effects on our
economy in my opinion.

Further, in defense of science and math, I will ask the somewhat
rhetorical question: What gave us airplanes, microwave ovens, tv's,
computers, stereos, telephones, electric lights, heart bypass surgery,
et. al. ???  Don't waste your breath calling me sexist, because _I_
don't buy into the arguments that these fields are exclusively
"male"...

--steve harrington
--texas a&m university

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From: turpin@cs.utexas.EDU (Russell Turpin)
Subject: On the quality of gay porn (was: ... Fever at Cornell)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:34:56 GMT

-*----
In article <1993Jan15.142805.16823@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> ... I rather doubt that gay-porn is the only decent porn around.

Pace Steve Seidman, it has often seemed to me that the better
porn is gay, or at least, variant.  If anyone knows of straight
porn writers on par with, say, Pat Califia, I would like to know
of them.

I have a speculation on the cause for this, getting back to
something of interest to soc.feminism.  It is thus: that the vast
majority of straight porn merely replays themes that trigger the
socially reinforced and common prurient interests, while those
who write for variant audiences have to work harder to figure out
where the erotic lies and what it means in their out-of-mainstream
context.  (Actually, this is probably less true of gay porn at
this time than it is of other variants.)

Russell

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From: ndasmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Noah Smith)
Subject: Re: Student Government Salaries/Compensation
Followup-To: soc.college
Organization: Northwestern University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:32:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.063432.20857@trentu.ca>, jschklar@TrentU.CA wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan18.194233.14884@wuecl.wustl.edu>, gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
> >  I remember several months ago someone was trying to compile a survey about
> >what types of salaries/compensation are given to officers of student governments
> >at colleges and universities around the country.
> >
> >  If someone could e-mail/post it, I'd greatly appreciate it.  Also, if you
> >did not respond to that survey and have information on what type of
> >salaries/compensation (like free room & board) officers at your school get,
> >please e-mail them to me.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >-- 
> >*******************************************************************************
> >Greg Lyon		             	         Student Union Attorney General
> >gl1@cec2.wustl.edu			Proud that I voted for Clinton/Gore '92 
> >Washington University in St. Louis - Site of the First 1992 Presidential Debate
> 
> 
> 
> Friend... I don't know of said survey, but let me tell you about "compensation"
> for student government at Trent University (a small school in Ontario Canada). 
> Our work is strictly voluntary.  We are expected to take a full time course
> load on top of this.  Needless to say there are problems especially now when
> people are more focussed on grades than dedicating their lives to certain
> causes.
> 
> Anyhow, just so you'd know...
> 
> Jay [President, Student Council, ret.]
>     [Treasurer, Student Union, ret.]

There isn't any compensation at my school, either.  If anyone even brought
up the idea, there'd be an uproar across campus.  If Greg does a survey,
he'll probably find the same is true at most North American campuses.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: smersch@eng.clemson.edu (Mr. Pump)
Subject: WANTED: survey responses
Reply-To: smersch@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:37:47 GMT



I'm not sure if this is the appropriate group for this sort of thing,
but I thought that fellow college students might be able to relate 
to the research project thing.  Anyway, if there are any 
interested parties, I'm doing boring research on the 
design of a toothpaste dispenser and I'm trying to get
some consumer opinions:

1.	What brand of toothpaste do you currently use?
2.	What do you like about the dispenser?
3.	What do you dislike?
4.	Do you like the way that it looks (geometry, height,
	diameter, aesthetics)?
5.	Do you like the way that it feels (gripability, texture)?
6.	Do you like the operation of the tube or pump (is it 
	messy, is it easy to use)?
7.	Have you considered its environmental significance
	(recyclability, packaging waste)?
From: censtad@nic.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Fraternity
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:10:49 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
Distribution: world
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: dion.gac.edu

I just wanted to say that my fraternity is very nice.  Thank you and have  
a great day.


--
Chris Enstad
Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Peter, MN 56082
From: dchong@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Dennis Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Law school in Boulder?
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:50:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences

In article <1993Jan27.143126.22486@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers) writes:
>
>(This is for a friend.)
>
>Does anyone know about the law school in Boulder, CO? 
>Is it very good? Do they have a particular area of excellence?
>What's their address or phone number? Any overall comments on the 
>school?
>
>Thanks much in advance.
>
>-Steve

I am getting this from "Barron's Guide to Law Schools"  (10th ed.,
copyright 1992). I looked at all the relevant info.  Hope it helps.


University of Colorado School of Law
Campus Box 403
Boulder, CO  80309-0403
(303) 492-7203

Full-time law: 250 men, 240 women
Part-time law: none
Women: 49%
Minorities: 19%
Student/faculty ratio: 16 to 1
Accreditation: ABA, AALS
Degrees:  JD
Calendar: traditional semester
Tuition: $3528 resident; $10,530 nonresident
Room and board: $3520
Applied: 2700
Accepted: 480
Enrolled: 165
GPA: 3.3
LSAT: 42


University of Colorado School of Law was established in 1892 and is a
public institution.  The 600-acre campus is in a small town 30 miles NW of
Denver.  The primary mission of the law school is to develop the skills,
ethics, and habits of mind to be a lawyer with a strong sense of the legal
profession's greatest traditions.  Students have access to federal, state,
county, city, and local agencies, courts, correctional facilities, law
firms, and legal aid organizations in the nearby metropolitan Boulder
area.  Facilities of special interest to law students include the law
school facility, which contrains all aspects of academic, adminstrative,
clinical, research, placement, socia, and audio-visual offerings under one
roof.  Housing for law students is primarily in apartments within 10
minutes of the law school.  Less expensive accommodation is available in
nearby towns.  About 95% of the law school facilities are accessible to
the physically disabled.

----
There's more detailed info, but I decided not to reproduce it all.  I'm
sure your Career Placement office has a copy of a book like this one; if
not, your local public library should....


...dc
From: as65+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Hasmukh Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Preventing a bad situation.
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:47:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfLaAS200WC001=1Rs
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



	I am writing from Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) in Pittsburgh, Pa.
where we recently had a suicide occur.  The week after the suicide, our
newspaper, The Tartan, published an excellent editorial about how
important it is to talk to other people when you are having problems. 
Below is a short (I was limeted to 350 words) letter-to-the-editor.   I
think what I say below is very important and I hope people think about
it.

----------------------------------------------------------
	

	I would like to congratulate the Tartan on an excellent editorial last
week about crises intervention and the availability of counseling
resources on campus.  The editorial stressed a very important point in
that students should always talk with someone when they have a problem.
	As the editorial said, "Human beings rely on one another for support
and understanding and there is nothing wrong with asking someone to
listen."  This is absolutely the best advice that one could possibly
give.  There is nothing wrong in going to others for help.  The only
problem is that in a place like CMU, the pressure to compete and be at
the top is so great, that it is often difficult to go to friends and
acquaintances for help.  
	As friends, we should always be looking out for one another.  It is
very easy for us not to notice that one of our good friends is having
problems or that he or she is acting differently.  It is even easier to
ignore these changes in our friends.  This, however, is something that
we can never do.  In a crises situation, it is unlikely that a person
will do anything more then hint at the fact that he or she has a
problem.  As friends, we should always be looking out for these small
hints even when things seem to be going perfect.  
	Unfortunately, there are many people here that have no one to talk
with.  There are many people who  get up in the morning, go to class,
come home, go to dinner, and go back home without ever having a person
to say hi to.  It is very surprising how much a simple, "Hello" or a
warm smile could mean to a person who is depressed and has nobody to
turn to.  There are just so many small things that one can do to
brighten up somebody else's life.  
	It is very difficult to write about a subject as important as this
while being so limited in space.  So in just a sentence what I am trying
to say is watch out for your friends, be there when they need you and be
friendly to as many people as you possibly can.  Even though you may not
realize it, you could be doing a world of good to somebody who
desperately needs it. 


Amit Shah
Sophomore, Math/Computer Science
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: jcl4@cec1.wustl.edu (Jeffrey C Lerman)
Subject: Rally/Vigil re: Bosnia-Hervcegovina
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:39:46 GMT

Hi.  Last semester here at Washington University, I co-founded a group called
the Washington University Coalition to End the Killing In Bosnia.  Last
semester, we held a candlelight vigil to raise awareness of the atrocities 
beigng committed in Bosnia-Hercegovina, as well as distributing factsheets
and putting together a banner/petition to (then) Pres.-Elect Clinton.  We
collected over 1500 signatures on the petition in a week, and between
500 to 600 people attended the vigil.  On an "apathetic" campus, mind you.

THis semester, we are organizing several things to educate people about the
facts and the gravity of the ongoing situation in Bosnia-Hercegovina.  One
of them is a national vigil; we would like to have rallies or vigils similar
to the one we held last semester on college and university campuses across the
country all on the same night.  We are planning on February 25.  

If *you* or someone you know would be interested in helping with or organizing
a vigil on your campus, or if there is already an organiztion on your campus
which might be interested in this, then please send me e-mail at
jcl4@cec1.wustl.edu, or call me at 314-935-2131.

Thanks very much.

--Jeff Lerman, National Vigil Chair, WU Coalition to End the Killing in Bosnia
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:44:39 EST
From: Albrecht Schnabel <SCHNABEA@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Univ. of Nevada, Reno

Is there someone out there who is a current student at UNR, or perhaps
an allumni? Does anyone know UNR's e-mail address, preferably the one
of the Department of Political Science? If there is a UNR student out there,
please call Prof. Eubank from Politics and have him send me his internet-
address. Thanks so much!! I'm an old allumni currently studying in Canada.

                            Keep rolling, Wolf Pack!!

                               Albrecht
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo)
Subject: Drink ages?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:04:53 GMT

Is the drinking age around New Orleans really 18?  Also, what (if any) states
have drinking ages under 21 these days?

Thanks for the time,
Eric

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From: cbp0464@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Drink ages?
Reply-To: cbp0464@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:48:55 GMT




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From: uns002@cent1.lancs.ac.uk (University Radio Bailrigg)
Subject: SUPPRESSION OF MEDIA FREEDOM - PLEASE READ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:19:35 +0000 (GMT)
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		IMPORTANT! Serious posting from an English college.

	Today (Thu 21 Jan) University Radio Bailrigg in Lancaster was
closed down by its own student Union.

The basic premise behind this is that the Union do not like URB making money
off its own back. For this reason they have changed the locks and stopped us
broadcasting.
	We have a highly successful deal with a local nightclub, for which
	we provide Djs and publicity. This knocks spots out of the Union-run
nightclub in the area, which offers jobs to the entire Exec, who stand to lose
if their club performs poorly... You can sense their motives now.

	With no warning given of any grievance they had with us, they simply
	stormed our station and closed it down. This occured late at night,
not during office hours, but after an Exec meeting from which independent
observers were excluded (democracy?). The mass meeting held two days
previously was not consulted.

	We need your help.

	This is a dangerous precedent. With funding from unions minimal and
	soon to disappear (union budgets are tight and the pressure on radio
	stations is ever-increasing), how else are we to operate a
	radio station?

We are therefore putting this out as a general appeal to as many
free-thinkers as possible to please, if you could spare just a few
pounds/dollars/whatever and a few minutes of your time to send a fax of
support and protest to the Students Union at Lancaster University, UK on
the following number:

		+44 524 846 732

This will help to show the union that they are not able to simply ride
roughshod over a few individuals and there are people all over the world
who feel as strongly as we do over this travesty of democracy

	Your help will be greatly appreciated. This is NOT a joke.

Thankyou in advance....

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