HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: salathe@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Eric P. Salathe)
Subject: Re: BMW (or any) Driving School????
Organization: Climate and Radiation Branch
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:33:49 GMT

In article <22546@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, lung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Terence Lung) writes:
|> Does anyone know of anyone who has participated in
|> one of these BMW Advanced Driving School Sessions?  It seems to be
|> real interesting, and I'm really tempted to try one...It's a bit
|> costly...~$300 on stand-by, but what the heck, once in a lifetime
|> should be OK.  But the practical use of going to the class is what I'm
|> looking at: accident avoidance, skid control, performance driving,
|> etc, etc.  i.e., learn, practice, and experience how to handle a car
|> in a controlled environment instead of figuring it out in an adverse
|> situation--stuff they never teach in driver's-ed class.

I'd also be interested in info on advanced driving training.  I've seen
so much banter about threshhold braking etc, but highly doubt my own
or anyones ability to apply high level techniques in stressed driving
situations without learning and practicing under real but controled
conditions.

Has anyone participated in a truly advanced course where they have
learned and applied skills not taught in normal courses such we got in
high school?  How was the course designed?  Did you practice on a track
and/or skid pad?  Where did you find out about it and how much did it cost?

Eric
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Luxury Performance Cars
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:30:54 GMT
	<1992Jul22.182646.24436@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<1992Jul22.203506.3107@cs.yale.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality


yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang) writes:

Allan> quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason G Velasco) writes:

Allan>  The DSP stereo is a gimmick and once the novelty wears off, you
Allan>  ignore it.  The Saab stereo is a 100 watt system with cassette,
Allan>  in-dash CD, _and_ graphic equalizer/spectrum analyzer with the
Allan>  option of an additional changer, controlled by the head unit...

Allan> You criticize DSP as a gimmick and you love 100 watt in a car?

Indeed -- everything Jason's spewed out are nothing but gimmicks as
well:  graphic EQ ... spectrum analyzer ... CD changer ... gosh, a
man who knows *all about* good sound ...


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I've been shot.  I need a doctor.
From: snzhang@sel.hep.upenn.edu (Shuang Zhang)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: MITRUBISHI EXPO/EAGLE SUMMIT WAGON/PLYMOUTH COLT VISTA
Keywords: Auto, MITRUBISHI EXPO, comment
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:22:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I am interested in buying a small sized minivan. My top choice right now is 
MITRUBISHI EXPO/EAGLE SUMMIT WAGON/PLYMOUTH COLT VISTA. Since it's a new
model for 1992 (I believe), I couldn't find any records and comments about
it from the Used Car Buying Guide. So I want to ask those of you who know or 
have dealt with cars of this model to share your experience with me, positive 
and negative.

I also have a couple of questions concerning this car. One question is that 
where EAGLE SUMMIT WAGON and PLYMOUTH COLT VISTA are assembled, Japan or US ? 
On my New Car Price Guide, it only said MITRUBISH's are assembled at Okazaki, 
Japan, but said nothing about the others. The specifications for all above 
are the same and the prices are almost identical. 

My second question, which is not specific about this car, is that whether it's
necessary to have anti-lock brakes if you choose the 4-WD option, or if it's
useful to have 4-WD option if you have got anti-lock brakes?

Many thanks in advance,


Shuang N Zhang
From: ying@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Touch up job high charges?
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:53:47 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.


Recently I had a company to touch up some rust spots on my Previa.  The job
was covered by rust proofing warranty.  However I was surprised to hear what
the charge would be.  They worked on the van for about 10 - 15 minutes and
they are going to charge $45 - $60.  This comes to about $300 an hour.  So
far their explanation was that they have to custom mix the paint and they
charge $45 for it.  This is the charge even though the paint might have been
mixed for other earlier jobs.  However it seems to my that they were just
using some premixed paint that comes in a small bottle.  The kind you can
buy from dealers.  Unfortunately I didn't ask to see the bottle.

I am just wondering if there is something I didn't understand or
misunderstood.  Is it normal charges?  Anyone can give me some insight
would be greatly appreciated.

Danny.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: I think SEARS AUTO. is trying to rip me off !!
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:42:21 GMT


In a previous article, jstein@tellab1.tellabs.com (Jeff Steinhauer) says:

>I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! I went to SEARS AUTOMOTIVE to have them do my
>front brakes, I had already purchased the pads and they would need 1
>new rotor and to re-mill the other. The price he gave me was ~27.00
>for the service, ~25.00 for the rotor and ~15.00 for milling the
>other.
>
>The next day they called my wife(I don't know why they called her,
>her number was only listed if they couldn't get a hold of me, oh by
>the way I have voice mail and no messages were left for me). They
>told her the car, an 84 Cutlass Cierra which I paid $500 for, needed
>both calipers replaced because they were seized and wouldn't
>work on the car if they didn't do the back brakes also. The cost....
>
>			$$$$$$$$ 500.00 $$$$$$$$
>
>I think they're trying to pull a big one on us. Needless to say I
>don't understand why they called my wife instead of me. I thought
>with all the hype about them being so deceitful I would be o.k.
>Guess not!!
>
>Just when you thought it was safe to go back to SEARS AUTOMOTIVE !!!
>

Who the hell thought it was safe?

-- 
...............................DarkMan..................................
Trying to think of something profound to put here.  Also available for
advertisements at a reasonable cost.                       DoD# 650
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: M5 vs. Sports Cars
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:09:32 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
Distribution: usa

> 
> but the best vette, the best 300ZX, and the best bimmers are all very, very
> competent cars, which renders this whole discussion tedious, childish,
> and pointless.                                       ^^^^^^   ^^^^^^^^
>     ^^^^^^^^
> cheers,
>   richard

This is the net you know. What were you hoping for ? Enlightening, spiritually
fulfilling and technically accurate ?

Lighten up . . .


Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
1992 FJ1200A
1991 Saturn SL2
Xref: sparky rec.autos:18724 misc.legal:15098
From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Really a policeman? (was Re: Unmarked COP Cars)
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:26:58 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Jul29.141058.3281@mlb.semi.harris.com>, cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.035848.10644@cs.ucla.edu> wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales) writes:
>>In rec.autos, Jeff Chilton described being pulled over by an out-of-
>>uniform policeman in an unmarked car, and wrote:
>>
>>	I guess my point is, that they (COPS) are out there in all
>>	kinds of dress, and all kinds of vehicles.  Just because
>>	you are pulled over on the highway or wherever, it doesn't
>>	mean that it's a traffic enforcement officer . . . .  My
>>	advice would be to keep the motor running, and the car in
>>	gear, with the window rolled down just enough to hear until
>>	you are shown some pretty authentic looking ID.

In Fairbanks, the State Troopers do use unmarked cars to conduct
traffic enforcement, and that includes using them to pull people over. 
However, they are still uniformed when they do this, as they should be
when doing this kind of duty.  === Al Sparks
From: kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com (kevin.jessup)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Advice needed.
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:15:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: mixcom.1992Jul23.021526.7176
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.


Through a well-informed source (he used to work there) I here that an
auto dealer of a very popular Japanese import here in Milwaukee is
about to go under.  I understand that they are on a cash-only basis
with their suppliers and are not paying overtime to any of the hourly
employees.  Sorry, but I cannot risk saying exactly who I am talking
about here.

My question is if anyone out there in net land has any opinion on buying
a new 1992 vehicle from this dealer.  Better yet, has anyone out there
dealt with a similar situation?

It seems to me that since this info has not yet been made public, the
dealer must still be making an attempt to recover from the situation.
Would he not want as much business as possible and, therfore, beat any
other dealers price?  Could I not get an excellent deal there?  Or, would
he try to screw me for as much as possible?

-- 
Kevin Jessup, bbwwbb@mixcom.mixcom.com
"You've got to know when to code 'em, know when to load 'em, know when to
emulate, know when to run.  You never count your money, when your sittin' at
the keyboard: there'll be time enough for countin', when the software's done."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bair@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (matthew.a.bair)
Subject: Yet another promo from Ford?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:36:08 GMT


Netters,

Has anyone else heard about some promo Ford is pushing.  I guess if you have
a Ford car now, Ford will give the original sticker price (when you made the
purchase) minus 15 cents a mile (based on the cars currently mileage.)  I
believe this is only good against the purchase of a 93 Ford vehicle at
sticker price.  Now, do understand this correctly.  I suppose this idea might
be advantageous depending upon your current car.

Thanx,

M Bair
bair@ihlpm.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: 86-88 T'bird: Turbo, V6 or V8?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 08:00:43 GMT

stevenh@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (steven.t.heinsius) writes:
: Don't buy a turbo.
: Since they are not water cooled they cook the oil
: 
: Steve

I drive a H2O cooled turbo myself, but I am of the understanding that if you
let the car cool down (idle) for about a minute before turning it off, the oil
flow will cool the turbo sufficiently to eliminate coking.  (Synthetic oil,
IMHO, is a MUST in turbo engines, as well).  A friend has used this method for
almost 400,000 miles in a 83 SAAB 900T, and has never rebuilt the turbo
(or engine!), so it must be working for him.


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bjernfal@olin.dsd.es.com (Jan Bjernfalk)
Subject: Connolly Hide Food
Reply-To: bjernfal@olin.dsd.es.com (Jan Bjernfalk)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:58:40 GMT


A while back I remember seeing some positive reviews of a treatment
for leather seats called "Connolly Hide Food", or something close to
that.

Does anyone know where to buy this stuff?

-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Jan Bjernfalk                           Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
bjernfal@dsd.es.com                     Salt Lake City, Utah  801-582-5847
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock)
Subject: Re: READ THIS! (wuz: IT'S YOUR FAULT!)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:33:53 GMT

In article READ THIS! (wuz: IT'S YOUR FAULT!) of 26 Jul 92 20:22:49 GMT blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:

>> This has got to be a joke!!!
>
>IT IS! IT IS! 
>
>Too bad you people don't possess a sense of humor. Or are capable of detecting
>harmless satire...I guess that sort of thing is lost when we're dealing with a
>bunch of ignorant dweebs.

No... This seems neither a case of humor impairment nor an inability of
rec.autos readers to correctly identify satire.
If you had happened to post a message that contained discernable elements 
of either, I believe you would have seen a vastly different reaction.

>Tsk tsk. 
>
>Your responses provided good entertainment...keep 'em coming. I look forward 2
>'em every day.

Glad we could help you pass the time between whoopie cushions and 
short-sheeting beds.


Kurt










Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Questions on Honda CRX (Buying)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:28:12 GMT

>>>>> On 30 Jul 92 18:28:55 GMT, geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner) said:

>I was told a couple weeks ago by a Honda Dealership (Lansing,
>Michigan), that the 1991 was the Last year for the Honda CRX's.  They
>are coming out with a new convertible kind of car in 1992.

geoffb> Really?

geoffb> I've been reading article after article on the new CRX due out
geoffb> next year.  Looks nice too, I hated the old CRX.

I saw a picture of the new car (forget what mag.) It will totally 
replace the CRX. Has a new name which I forget also. It will still 
be a small 2-seater like the CRX, but convertable. Looked cool. 
Anyone know if Honda ever made a factory CRX convertable? I saw one
on the highway a while back with the top down, and it looked awsome.
I was wondering if it was factory, or some kind of aftermarket
conversion...
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang)
Subject: Re: Luxury Performance Cars
Organization: Dept of CS, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
	<1992Jul22.182646.24436@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:34:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.182646.24436@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason G Velasco) writes:

 > Blah blah blah.  The Saab 9000T is the quickest in the Legend's class.
 > Car and Driver did a comparison test with cars in this class, and placed
 > the Legend first and the 9000T second.  Curiously, though, they said
 > "there was a wider divergence of opinion on the Legend than the 9000"...
 > What they were really saying is that the 9000 is a better car.  The only
 > [text deleted]

Don't put the words into C&D's mouth. 

They are saying what they are saying: they decided that Legend is
better than 9000, but there are others who don't agree with them.

 > [text deleted]
 >
 > I've driven the Legend and I have to say, it's pretty numb...  Typical
 > Japanese.  The Vigor is merely a slightly streched Accord.  What a
 > ripoff...  The DSP stereo is a gimmick and once the novelty wears off, you
 > ignore it.  The Saab stereo is a 100 watt system with cassette, in-dash CD,
 > _and_ graphic equalizer/spectrum analyzer with the option of an additional
 > changer, controlled by the head unit...  
 >

You criticize DSP as a gimmick and you love 100 watt in a car? Are
you deaf or what? Give me a break!

 > [text deleted]
 >
 > I don't like Hondas...
 > Jason
 > -- 
 > Jason Velasco                                      quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

It's quite apparent from your posting and it seriously damages your
credibility as well. Yeah, all hundred of thousands of Honda owners
are stupid and are brain-washed by Honda.

No, I am not a Honda lover nor do I have a Honda. Just tired of
seeing such an arrogant posting.

- Allan
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 20:23:09 EDT
From: Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL

In article <1992Jul18.192721.1414@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm) says:
>
>Don't forget that C&D was comparing apples to oranges,
>the Nissan Sentra E, nice as it is, is still a TWO DOOR coupe,
>the Saturn is a FOUR DOOR Sedan for the same money!
>
>Now if you compare the Nissan 4-door to the Saturn SL,
>or the Nissan Sentra GXE to the SL2 you might have a better
>showing.

Now, if you compare the Saturn SL2 to the Nissan Sentra SE-R, you'll
*definitely* find some amazing results :-)  Hmm, maybe I'll post the
Sentra SE-R and the Saturn SL2's tests!!!!  But, of course, I'm sure
that Saturn enthusiasts won't allow me to do that :-)

-Naz

>
>Let us pray for Balance shafts on the Saturn 1.9.....
>
>Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mlin@oracle.uucp (Michael Lin)
Subject: Advice Wanted: SAAB Turbo Convertible
Reply-To: mlin@oracle.uucp (Michael Lin)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:23:32 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I have absolutely fallen in love with the idea of having a 
SAAB Turbo Convertible and am looking for something in Black,    
preferably a 1990 vintage (let's be real, I can't afford a new one).

Before I do something rash, can anyone tell me what I am getting   
myself into?  Any experiences or words of advice would be greatly 
appreciated.  The name of a good SAAB mechanic in the SF Bay Area
would also be nice.

Thanks for you help.

Mike Lin  :-)

Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: car buying service in NJ?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:50:07 GMT

Subject says it all- anyone know of such a service
in New Jersey (northern NJ)?

Thanks,

Joe
joec@morgan.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: stiv@stat.rice.edu (david n stivers)
Subject: new VW Golf and Jetta
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:23:40 GMT

When are these going to be available here? The local dealer says 
October, but they were all over the place in Europe, and supposedly
even the Mexicans have the new version, which is where US market
Golfs and Jettas have been manufactured in the past.

-- 

david n stivers stiv@rice.edu
From: mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Replacing Pathfinder Exhaust System
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:43:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I'm looking to replace the stock exhaust system on my 1987 Nissan Pathfinder
with some sort of aftermarket system. I would like to keep it emmissions
legal, retaining the catalytic converter. However, I would also like to
get more power, if possible. I'm thinking of also replacing the exhaust
manifold.
I've heard good things about the Borla stainless steel exhausts, but I
also read that they were quite expensive. Any suggestions?

I don't have an account on the system from which I'm sending this 
message, so please post any replies to rec.autos

Thanks in advance,
Taka
From: hustler@milton.u.washington.edu (Donald Heisler)
Subject: Re: SATURN PRICE INCREASE
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:51:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.213309.16875@wpi.WPI.EDU>, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
> 
> Saturn announced a 9+% price increase for the '93 model year
> 
> any surprises>>>>>
> 

Not realy considering that air bags are now standard in all models!

So take a 10,000 dollar car and add 900 dollars to the price.  Then take off
around 650 for the air bag and whamo, wow, woo, wa, only a $250 dollar increase.
I'm no to surprised although some might not want this standard air bag.

Don (I'm changing my middle name to SL2) Heisler
From: russell@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (russell.w.keating)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passport Wideband Radar Detectors
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:24:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
>As for the Passport 3200 NOT using DSP, I beg to differ.  I got a
>brochure about the 3200, along with a brochure about CM's lidar
>detector.
>The 3200's brochure says that it *does* use digital signal processing.
>I don't know who's DSP chip they use, though.  They sure don't brag about
>it the way they did about the 24 bit Motorola MC56000 DSP.

CM told me that the 3200 did not use DSP.  There may have been a
misunderstanding when I talked to them but ... I don't think so.  Let me
explain what I think they are doing with the microprocessor in the
Passport 3200 as compared to a DSP equipped radar detector.

The brochure does not mention DSP at all.  It does mention a microprocessor
though.  Ok, here goes.

When a DSP chip is used, the incomming signal is converted to
digital data and it is manipulated in the digital domain.  With
microprocessor control, the microprocessor is getting signals (digital)
from other circuits.  These other circuits analyzed the incomming
signal in the analog domain and then send their result(s) (information)
to the microprocessor.  The microprocessor juggles all this incomming
data and proceeds to tell if the signal is radar or not,  what type it is,
how many LEDs to turn on (check to see if in dark mode) and ... ???

This is only my interpertation.  I am not that knowlegable on this
subject, but this is my best shot.

-- 
Russell Keating, N9LIL ------------> Send email to: russell1@ihlpb.ATT.COM