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From: daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer)
Subject: Re: High Protein meal...
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:58:49 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul28.011829.9712@iat.holonet.net>, mlabow@iat.holonet.net (Marshall Labow) writes:
|>
|> Protein is best eaten over several (say 5-6) small meals a day. Ideally, a
|> diet should be high in carbohydrates (preferably complex carbohydrates),
|> moderate in protein and low in fat. After a workout, you need to replenish
|> carbohydrates, but I'm not sure that it makes a great deal of difference when

  Could someone please list foods that fall into the above category.
  I am unsure of what foods I can eat that are high carb, medium
  protein and little to no fat to enjoy before/after a workout to:

  1) Supplement my workout appetite
  2) Increase body weight (muscle)

  Any responses would be greatly appreciated. I am getting back into
  seriously lifting and martial arts training and want to do it right!


-- 
Dave Spencer                |   "Definitely.....Dave."  
Mead Data Central           |            
9393 Springboro Pike        |    - Ford Ennals, 
Miamisburg, Oh. 45342       |      president, REEBOK Inc.
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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki
Organization: me, myself, and i
	<23JUL199209181972@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
	<14n981INNsuj@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<23JUL199223304952@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:10:27 GMT

I've got nothing against Mantak Chia, but anyone who wants to learn
how to meditate should learn it from an experienced meditator. This
goes double (or triple) for Chi Kung. If you want to learn Chi Kung,
go to a school that teaches Tai Chi and ask if they also teach Chi
Kung. Then study Tai Chi and Chi Kung at that school.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		before and after science
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:03:05 GMT
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: FINAL Re: Hot water

<U55870@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>>
>>   mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu writes:
>>   : and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
>>   : cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
>>   : do this?
>>

One wonders what this is doing in rec.m-a. However, since I know a physicist
who has investigated this, I'll stop the topic...

The thermodynamic/energetic arguments are all perfectly valid explanations
of what happens when you put a container of HOT water in your freezer, or
a container of COLD water. The quirk which MAY see the HOT one freezing 
sooner is an artifact of the freezer (it's thermostat sensor location and
heat transfer rates within the vicinity of the container and sensor).

Hot air rises, cool air descends. The HOT source, under the control of
heat flow and the sensor drives the fridge faster (ie, it is pumping for
a larger proportion of the time). Also, convection within the HOT container 
makes an initial difference to the rate of cooling of the exterior of 
the HOT container (its exterior cools slower than the cold one's) - but only 
initially.

Critical experiment: HOT and COLD containers in the freezer simultaneously!
(Thermocouples everywhere!)

Fan-driver freezers upset the explanation (and the COLD one freezes first).
--
Tom Osborn,                                   " As  simple  as  possible,
School of Computing Sciences,                       but  not  more  so  ! "
University of Technology, Sydney,        
PO Box 123 Broadway 2007,  AUSTRALIA.             
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin)
Subject: Re: rank tests
Reply-To: goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin)
Organization: Orion Scientific, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.143038.940@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> dccarr@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.c.carr) writes:
>From article <Bs62r8.Gt8@apollo.hp.com>, by stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave):
>> In article <1992Jul29.181228.10510@orionsci>, goodwin@orionsci (Ben
>> Goodwin) writes:
>> |> Which reminds me, do any of you have to take checkup exams?  Every year
>> |> we see a sign posted stating that the blackbelts must take a checkup
>> |> exam.
>> 
>> In my current school and my last school, all blackbelts had to test twice
>> a year - either a promotional test or a "refresher" test (yeah, we *all*
>> feel refreshed after these ;-))
>
>I'm curious - do you have to pay (as in $$$) for these
>"refresher/checkup" tests?

No.  As a matter of fact the black belts pay less monthly at our Dojo
than us lower belts.  Is that fair? :(

>
>
>Dave Carr
>isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
>ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
>"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
>david.c.carr@att.com


-- 

-Ben
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From: ap932@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Larry Cuy)
Subject: MA as therapy for abuse
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 06:09:27 GMT


Perhaps it is a sign of the times but it seems to me that if the
truth be know there are alot of people in martial arts that took
up this activity as a productive way to heal abuse as a child.

Whether the proportion of those that engage or seek MA that have
been abused is greater than that of the general population remains
to be seen.  

What is your impression of this gathered from people in MA that you
know well enough to make any sort of judgment?

-- 
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From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: Revised Diff. between Eastern and Western Thought
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:17:35 GMT

mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl (Valk v/d M) writes:
: A ridiculous story to prove something which is pertinent untrue. Just look at
: the ending of the 2nd WW: Japan didn't want to surrender although they had no
: more strength. The US had to use atomb bombs to make clear that Japan had no
: chance of winning.
: 
: Please, don't come up with the nonsense that a) the Japanese had already
: surrendered before the A-bombs, and the US just wanted to test their weapons or

If you had studied this particular segment of history (Japan at the end of WWII)
you would know that for months before the dropping of the bombs there were 
factions in the Japanese government that advised surrender.  You would also
know that it was a tremendous loss of face (in Oriental politics) to surrender
directly to one's enemy.  Generally one would ask another party to approach
the enemy with your surrender.  In the weeks before the dropping of the bombs
the factions that desired surrender had control of the government and were
trying to do just that (surrender).  Unfortunately they chose the USSR as the
party to approach us.  The Japanese ambassador to the USSR attempted to meet
with the Soviet equivalent of Minister of Foreign Affairs several times to 
ask them to give their surrender to the U.S.  However, the Minister chose not
to see him because of the Soviet agenda.  They wanted the war with Japan to 
last long enough for them to send troops into northern Japan and claim some
territory before the end of the war (which is exactly what they did).

So whatever point you were trying to make with point 'a' is invalid, there
were many sensible Japanese who understood they had to surrender, and this
sentiment was popular enough to put them in power directly before the end
of the war.

: b) Japan during the 2nd WW cannot be compared to the modern/ancient Japan.
: 

Agreed, the Japanese during WWII were similar to the Japanese of modern/ancient
Japan, and like Western nations were split into factions as to what was the
best course of action.


There are certain differences in the Oriental outlook, which can be seen by
comparing the differences in Oriental and Occidental literature.  Perhaps
the two stories were oversimplified to make the point, but were not that
far off the mark.

Dave S.


-- I seriously doubt these are the opinions of my employer, I doubt my
   employer even has any opinions on this subject, or any others in this 
   newsgroup.

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From: butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher)
Subject: Judo
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:32:34 GMT

Is there any one doing Judo out there?

Anyway, I have a question for Toronto area martial arts people.  Do you 
know a place where I can purchase decent Judo books for the experienced
Judoka?  The World's Biggest doesn't seem to have anything on Judo.  It
only has popular books.  

Also, what are some titles of books giving a reasonably detailed technical
treatment of throwing?
 
I hope there are some TO Judoka out there reading this!

Thanks
From: JOHNSO_FRM@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Mr. Wizard)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re-starting after a long period...
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:39:21 GMT


	I was a student of Kenpo for about 6.5 years, and I attained the rank
of brown belt.  Because I started at the "tender age" of thirteen, when I got
older, many other things started coming up, and I no longer wanted to
continue...  I took a leave of absence, and now I would like to, perhaps, start
up again.  The problem is, I am still very busy, and my free time is spent
about an hour away from my old school.  I feel a little funny about starting up
in a new style, at least before I first earn a black belt from my old
school...any comments?  Suggestions?


	Also, how many American Kenpo stylists are out there?  I would like
some more information on the history, some funny anecdotes from training,
etc...  Aikido and TKD seem overly represented on the net...  :-)
	(aside from the ever secretive Greenoch, of course...  :-)    )

	Thanks...


     {*}
     /
    /  Mr. Wizard
   /     "Rick"


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From: tino@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (allen.j.tino)
Subject: Re: gracie jujitsu
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:07:39 GMT

From article <1992Jul29.195058.14114@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu>, by uzgiris@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Jim Uzgiris):
> 
> Does anyone know if there are any video tapes available of gracie jujitsu  
> in action? Also, are there any schools or proponents of their school in  
> the Midwest?
> 

For several years a non-instructional tape called "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
in Action" has been available; a sequel is underway.  

The Gracies have just released a 5-volume set of instructional
videos called "The Basics of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu".  Just like they
say, these tapes cover the basics.  I highly recommend them.

I don't know of any Gracie folks in the Midwest, but the Gracies
do a lot of seminars across the country.  For info on everything,
call the Gracie Academy (310) 782-1309.

_______
Al Tino
tino@globe2.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: An interesting advertisement...
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:12:51 GMT


there is an advertisment on tv for _brut_ aftershave. the plugging is
done by kelly lebrock (seagals wife). in the ad she goes "...the essence
of a man...his walk...the way he smiles...etc...".

and i though to myself "how about having seagal here as well". it would 
go like this:

"the essence of a man...his walk <cut to the seagal swagger>...
the way he talks <"oh yeah? well, fook you too!">...the way he uses his
hands <*crunch* aaahhhh *thud*>...."

do i have a future in advertising, or what?

-m.a.

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com
Subject: THX for boardbreaking article list
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 1992 13:24:22 MST

Thanks to those who gave me info on boardbreaking literature.

I don't know how to send non-network E-mail from the system I use to get to
the net.

STICKS (BTW, I'm a he)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo)
Subject: Re: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:01:32 GMT

In article <osborn.712284639@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:

   >     On Entertainment Tonight , they reported where Seagal had made
   >claims of being a CIA operative during the 60's and 70's, and had been on
   >their "HIT" squad. But when the CIA was contacted about this claim they 
   >said they had never heard of Seagal until after his movie carrer....

   As with all spook things, denial == confirmation. Therefore, Seagal, who
   claimed he worked for the CIA, actually DID (as an operative so secret
   that he wasn't aware of it). The CIA probably claims (consistently) that
   they believe he is an actor...

I'm not sure about that.  Suppose he did work for the CIA.  I'm sure the
CIA would deny it.  Suppose he did not.  Then I would really expect them
to deny it.  What else would they say if he didn't?
--
Raul J. Acevedo
acevedo@MIT.EDU

Life is a mystery and it's an unsolvable one.  You simply live it through, and,
as you draw your last breath you say "What was that all about?"
		--- Marlon Brando
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: marsup@cs.dal.ca (Mario Ouellet)
Subject: Shotokan dojos in Montreal?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:28:03 GMT

Hi.

I will soon be moving to Montreal and I would like to know if any of
you people can suggest a good Shotokan dojo in the area.

I would be mostly interested in a University-type club, because of the
proximity of other sports facilities, but any and all suggestions
are welcomed.

Hoping to hear from you,

Mario Ouellet
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Pittsburgh JKD
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:14:00 GMT


Folks,

To the point: I have made friends with an excellent Jeet Kune Do instructor
named Barry Perrino.  Barry was (for awhile) a student of Bruce Lee's and then
a guy named Steve Golden, who was a long-time student of Lee's.  Before
meeting Barry, I had lost most of my faith in Lee (his having been a childhood
hero), due to his movies.  Having now worked with Barry, I have had my faith
in a childhood hero rekindled, and have found a marvelous adjunct to my
training with my long-time master, Lu Ping Zhang.  JKD has no particular
forms, so we train exclusively in fighting techniques.  Fortunately too, they
match almost to the letter the fighting training I have received under Lu
Ping.  Lu Ping emphasizes perfection of form and push hands more than anything
else, where Barry is all about distance, timing, footwork, hubak (sp? these
are infighting techniques), and kali/escrima techniques.  He also studied
under a famous master in Philippino stick fighting named Flores.  I have never
followed stick fighting, so I never heard of the guy, but perhaps you kali
people know who I am talking about.  Apparently Dan Innosanto also studied
with this master.

With all that as intro, Barry would like to build up a student group of about
8.  He wants to restrict the group to only those who are interested in steady
commitment, not the on-again/off-again variety so often encountered.  If there
are any interested participants in the Pittsburgh area, just write and I will
pass along phone information.  Thanks.


	Peter



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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Judo and Tai Chi?
Summary: Complimentary, potentially synergistic, but initially too confusing.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 31 JUL 92 13:21:21    


radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes...

>In article jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs) writes:
> 
>> I do know that Shotokan
>>Karate and Aikido do not mix.
> 
>.... please, why do you say this?

Lauren,

I don't know James' reasons, but I can vouch for the truth of his
statement from my own experience as well.  I've known a number of people
who have tried to practice both at once, and did so successfully, but the
conflict between the two approaches was obvious to instructors on both
ends.  Stances become confused, muscle tension is different, posture
is slightly different, hand positions are different, footwork is
different, optimal distancing is often different, timing of counters
is different.  And neither art, at the beginning or intermediate level
generally makes much allowance for such differences.  They treat them
as outright errors in most cases.   Schools which are uncharacteristically
forgiving about such differences in individual performance mechanics
might make a difference, but that isn't something I think you're likely to find.

These differences can certainly eventually become an advantage, since the two 
arts are somewhat *complimentary* in many ways, but I'd say that the most 
people I've known who got a lot out of the combined study did so after 
studying one or the other exclusively for a number of years, and then mixing 
them.   

I think the bottom line is that they ask you to look at the 'combat
equation' in such different ways that most novices in both are going to 
be confused past the point where they are getting value out of the
synergy of the two arts.  

Other combinations I'd think would be confusing for novices, but
complimentary and potentially synergistic for advanced people would be Chi Sao 
or Hu Bud combined with boxing slipping, and Aikido timing throws combined 
with Judo leverage and timing throws.   Different approaches to the same
basic problems.

					hope this is of value,

					todd
From: jeremy@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Scott Schimmel|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Weapons
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:28:46 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

From article <2A72145C.1551@ics.uci.edu>, by mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen):
> What are the laws concerning knives, guns, baseball bats, etc.?
> (I happen to live in southern California, but I'd like to hear about just
> about anywhere.)
> 
> What can you carry, what can you conceal, what can you have in your car,
>
    About two years ago a buddy of mine was arrested in Toledo Ohio for having
a baseball bat in the back of his car. 
	I myself did a foolish thing after aikido practice one sunny day,  
While speeding on the way home I was pulled over by one of Lansing(MI) 's 
finest .  Well I had my bokken in the front seat with me and because I had just 

gottt
gotten out of practice I didn't think anything of it.  The cop had a very differer
ent view of the whole situation. He got me out of the car,frisked me, searched the ca  
car etc.  luckily I had brought my belt with me also. Because only 
after twenty minutes of explaining he let me go.  He was going to charge me wi

with carrying a concealed wweapon.  Scared why yes, yes I was.
A note carry your bokken in your trunk WITH YOUR BELT while traveling in MI!!


Stallion 
.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ddewar@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (derek.a.dewar)
Subject: Re: When to start kumite?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:11:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.055111.15038@nuscc.nus.sg> nuscc.nus.sg writes:
>
>    Each approach in learning kumite  has its own advantages: 
>starting kumite after black belt ensures that one is experienced enough 
>to use his skills; 

But regardless is still inexperienced in kumite. There are a number of 
other factors involved in kumite, such as timing, covering ground, 
drawing out your opponents guard/techniques, throwing bluffs, combinations.
etc, etc.
The 3 K's of karate are all important Kata - Kihon - Kumite.
One should not be practised without the other, KIhon being the most 
important (in my opinion, since your level of kata and kumite come from
basic training)

>    But which one is really prefarable? 

I would say learning kumite before dan grade. After fighting many Shotokan
Dan grades, who lack control and technique in their kumite, I would 
definitely say before.

MInd you, having said that, there are a great number of great Shotokan
exponents who are excellent at both kumite and kata (Frank Brennan, KUGB)

Derek.
ddewar@ihlpb.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jhc@iris.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: Judo and Tai Chi?
Reply-To: jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.191444.7404@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati) writes:

>Tomorrow I'm taking my first Judo class, at the school where it is
>taught they also teach Tai Chi.  I want to know if there would be any
>conflict between the two styles - In other words is this a stupid idea?

Do you mean that you plan to take both at once?  I wouldn't expect
conflict, although I have never studied Judo.  I do know that Shotokan
Karate and Aikido do not mix.  Judo always sounded reasonably soft to
me: if you tighten up, then you will be thrown.

>I mean I'm looking at Tai Chi for it's overall health benefits and Judo
>as a more immediate means for conditioning and self defense (by
>immediate I mean years as opposed to Tai Chi - the 20 year exercise)
>plus I'm very interested in Tai Chi and it's something I can do when
>I'm 80.

I would not underestimate TC for either conditioning or self defense.
Of course, a lot depends on the instructor.  But, if you use low
stances, you will build muscle rapidly, and you will get a
cardio-vascular workout.  Just go as low as you can without lifting
your heels.  It takes a while to get stretched out if you are tight,
but you should be able to get down pretty far after a few months.

Things will go much better if you practice, and you should stretch when
you practice.  I need 1 1/2 hours for a reasonable workout.  Classes
are 3 hours twice a week.  Certainly no time for two arts.  Even if
your classes are shorter, you should practice every day.

>I'm 36 and was involved with TKD a few years back but kept getting
>injured but don't believe that Judo and Tai Chi would be too
>physically taxing for me (famous last words).

You can take it easy in T'ai Chi if you need to.  You can push as hard
as you want, again depending on the instructor.  If you spar, you can
get injured.  Even in self-defense practice, you can get injured, but
the art is much less stressful than many others.  In any case, you
aren't going to be surrounded by machismo raring to go.  If you do get
hurt, it is more likely to be because you slipped and landed badly or
some such than because you have been banging shin against forearm over
and over.  I think you are more likely to get hurt in a local softball
game by running and stopping as fast as you can, colliding with
opponents, etc.

--Jim
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Some general questions...
Keywords: judo, akido, shotokan
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:10:16 CDT

In article <1992Jul23.185700.27627@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> guest@jaws1.austin.ibm.com () writes:
>I have some general questions about the nature of certian martial arts, and an
>having a difficult time finding credible information.  

>	4) does the practice of shotokan tend to injure joints? Is that why 
>           practitioners of such hard styles seem to retire in their 30's and
>           early fourties?

    .... nooooo... it's because their hands are shaking so hard....

-L L L L Lauren