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From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:16:09 GMT

In article <pyfm_jr@lynx.unm.edu> preiser@cancer.unm.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.202152.3480@leela.cs.orst.edu>, uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt) writes:
>>I am new to reading alt.dreams. I have had this dream where I am able to 
>>breath underwater. 
>>Also, if someone could tell me if it means anything specific.
>
>I have had many dreams where I can breathe underwater.  At first, I'm a bit
>apprehensive, like I can't get out of the water, and then I start breathing
>and think, gee, this is neat.  I don't know what it means, tho.

For me, being underwater (and I assume breathing :-) signifies that
the dream is coming out of my deep subconscious.

I can hear it now: don't all dreams come out of the subconscious?

Well, yes and no.  Technically, yes.  But in practice most get so scrambled
that it's hard to make much sense out of them.  But some (such as the
underwater dreams) are mythic epics and easy to interpret.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jalea@iat.holonet.net (Jackie McClure)
Subject: Dream of mountain and jungle
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:27:20 GMT

I've been having this reoccurring dream of mountains and jungle for
about the past year. I'm hiking across a flimsy rope bridge that's
suspended about 5 centimeters above a broad lake. The air is hot and
very humid. Dense green jungle surrounds the lake, thick with creepers
and the calls of birds. The lake is black, almost opaque. I stop a
moment to adjust my pack and admire the snow capped mountains that 
loom up beyond the jungle. The thought of all that snow makes me so
thirsty. I know it's a bad idea but I bend down to scoop up a handful
of brackish water to drink. There, in the water I see a severed arm
floating like a pale fish beneath the bridge. A voice says "We killed
him. We punished him for breaking his covenant with the lake." I turn
and there's a young boy next to me. He's about 6 years old and is 
dressed in ragged cutoff jeans and a tattered red tshirt. He sort of
looks like me ( I guess how my son would look if I had one). He stretchs
out his hand and says "Come on, I'll take you to my mother." And the 
dream ends. What the heck does this mean ? Why do I keep having it ?
I'm open to any ideas.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe,alt.config
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:13:16 GMT

In <1992Jul22.165415.4302@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us I write:

> Since creating the alt.oobe newsgroup earlier today, I've received a
> couple of messages saying it would have been better to have discussed
> the name of the group in alt.config.

I just got another message, which I'm posting here with Ken's permission:

| Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 11:30:06 PDT
| From: sprite.Berkeley.EDU!shirriff (Ken Shirriff)
| Message-Id: <9207221830.AA335677@sprite.Berkeley.EDU>
| To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
| Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
| Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe,alt.config
| In-Reply-To: <1992Jul22.165415.4302@gnosys.svle.ma.us>
| Organization: University of California, Berkeley
|
| I just ended up in this newsgroup by hitting the wrong button, so my opinion
| doesn't count for much :-), but alt.oobe gave me absolutely no idea what
| the newsgroup was about.  I thought it was about oboes at first glance,
| and then gave up on deciding on a meaning.  Alt.dreams.oobe would at least
| give a clue as to the context.  Alt.out-of-body seems fairly clear, but just
| begs for the creation of alt.out-of-mind.  Maybe alt.paranormal.oobe?
|
| Ken Shirriff			shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU

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    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Xref: sparky alt.dreams:2744 alt.config:4921 alt.oobe:34
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.config,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:32:24 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1992Jul28.221217.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> i strongly feel that if the group is called alt.paranormal.out-of-body, it
> will severely limit the subjects that get discussed and will be less than
> supportive.

The group alt.paranormal is for discussion of paranormal events.  The
fact that skeptics post there is not a function of the newsgroup name.
If you think that isn't true, check out alt.astrology.  The skeptics
are perfectly competent to find the group no matter where you put it
in the hierarchy.  I see no reason to create a new group, since
alt.paranormal already exists for this topic, and is getting little
traffic right now.  If the discussion on alt.paranormal is mostly
skeptical, it is because that is what people want to say about the
topic, and creating a new group won't change their minds.
-- 
USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444 
Xref: sparky alt.dreams:2691 alt.oobe:19 alt.paranormal:1929
From: ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (-8  Big Bad Bob (B3)  8-)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe,alt.paranormal
Subject: The "Dream Machine"
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:40:33 GMT
Organization: The HRC

As promised (in alt.dreams 22/7/92), the address to write to for info on
Dr.Keith Hearne's lucid-dream induction machine "The Dream Machine" is:

Dr. Lucien Morgan,
The British Lucid Dream Society,
Suite 3,
3, Seymour place,
London
W1 5HE
England.

The phone No. is +44 71 723 2430, where + is the Itnl dial code, or
071 723 2430 in the UK.

Dr. Morgan said yesterday that the machine would be out in the shops 'Very 
soon.' 

For those of you perplexed by this post, a description of the machine went 
out in alt.dreams on 21/7, or email me!

No, I'm not involved/on commission 8-)

Tim.

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                                  |   "Everything is true, even false things."
        *****     B3     *****    | "Even false things? How can that be??"
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: alt.dreams
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:42:20 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <66hmsjp@lynx.unm.edu>, preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser) writes:
> In article <kZmeoB1w164w@waffle.sns.com>, art chan <art@waffle.sns.com> writes:
>>Hello all. I wanted to know if anyone else have had the same experiences as 
>>I have had in the past couple of years. Sometimes when I lay to sleep, 
>>usually within an hour or two of sleeping, I suddenly become almost half 
>>awake, but I feel that I cannot get up, rather that I am stuck in the 
>>current position by some unexplainable force of some sort. I am almost aware 
>>of these occurences now when they happen. Its always the same...frozen in 
>>place and I hear a buzzing in my ear. Strange, huh?
>>
>>----
>>art@waffle.sns.com  (art chan)
>>Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652
> I haven't had this experience, but many experiences of this sort have appeared
> here.  You are in a dream state - hence dream paralysis (We are not able to
> move our muscles while dreaming, otherwise we might get hurt acting out our
> dreams).  Many times buzzing has been reported as a prelude to an out-of-body
> experience.  Some have reported being able to 'roll out' of their bodies at
> this time.
>    Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu          So, who's dream is this, anyway?
>    Bitnet:   preiser@unmb

yes, i agree; it could be the prelude to an out of body experience; when you
are coming out of sleep, you sometimes are conscious in the in-between state. 
if you want to roll out or float up or otherwise leave the body, try imagining
yourself moving.  in that state you are also potentially receptive to visions 
and other neat other-worldly stuff.
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:59:57 GMT
Subject: OOBE
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com



Hi Folks,

     	I'm rather new to all this, so please excuse my niavety (is that how
	you spell it ? ). I find the whole idea of OOBEs fascinating.

	Please hurry up and find a name for the group so that we can get on
	with discussing more interesting things like:
	How do I have an OOBE ?
	Are they dangerous ?
	Can you fly whilst doing it ?
and	Is it cheaper than Gliding ??


	CHEERS !


		RIK

PS    	I'm a totally new user, and I found the group. It's proberbly best
	left under dreams because people who find dreams interesting will
	proberbly also be interested in OOBEs.
    	
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: browntf@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd f)
Subject: Re: alt.dreams
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:53:32 GMT

aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar) writes:


>The more and more I read this board I get more and more interested...
>I have some questions..what would be some good books to get on Lucid Dreaming..
>the more self help how to ones...And where could I get info on the DreamLight
>and other similiar machines??


For more information, write:

THE LUCIDITY INSTITUTE
PO BOX 2364
STANFORD CA 94309
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:36:26 GMT

howardc@victoria.utah.edu (Carl W Howard) writes:
>In article <pyfm_jr@lynx.unm.edu> preiser@cancer.unm.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul21.202152.3480@leela.cs.orst.edu>, uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU
>(Laura Utt) writes:
>>>I am new to reading alt.dreams. I have had this dream where I am able to
>>>breath underwater.
>>>Also, if someone could tell me if it means anything specific.
>>
>>I have had many dreams where I can breathe underwater.  At first, I'm a bit
>>apprehensive, like I can't get out of the water, and then I start breathing
>>and think, gee, this is neat.  I don't know what it means, tho.

>I have read and noticed that breathing in dreams is _directly_ related to actual
>breathing.  For example, I recently had a dream where I was holding my breath
>because of noxious fumes, and awoke to find that I had actually been holding my
>breath.   If you dreamt that you were underwater, and could breathe, I think
>that is simply caused by the fact that in reallity (in the physical world)
>you can breathe freely while asleep, whether you were underwater in the
>dreamscape or not.

>Just my opinion.

>Carl

	This is facinating. Thanks so much for your inputs on this
	subject.... Associating breathing in dreams with physically 
	breathing makes sense to me.

	-Laura

Newsgroups: alt.dreams,sci.skeptic
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Dream/Reality
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:38:45 GMT

Alan Smith writes:

>But that's just a side issue.  I was reading one of the sci.skeptic posts
>where someone was refuting someone else's claim that it was easy to tell
>dream from reality.

  If it were easy to tell dream from reality, then we would all be having lucid
dreams every night of the week.  As it is, most of us don't realise we have
been dreaming until we wake up!
  Aside from that, there is a well known phenomena called False Awakening that
can occur after a lucid dream has concluded, in which the person believes they
have woken up and procede to go about their day, oblivious to the fact they are
still dreaming.  I know, since it has happened to me!  I got quite a shock when
I finally did wake up :-)
  So, to the person who stated that it was easy to tell dream from reality, I
have only one thing to say to them: you are making the mistake of comparing
dreams to reality WHEN YOU HAVE WOKEN UP.  There is quite a difference between
experiencing a dream and remembering a dream, although it's no different from
experiencing a waking event and remembering that event later.  So get your
terms of reference right before you make your claims :-)

  Happy dreaming,
  Philip Stephens
  Labtam Australia Pty Ltd
  philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au
From: vmf@acpub.duke.edu (Virginia Fleming)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: dreaming about certain rooms
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:59:40 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Jul22.202109.6864@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cmocmp@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>1) The significance of dreaming about certain rooms? I've often been having recurring dreams that involve me walking around a building filled with bedrooms and bathrooms. During the dream, I feel as if I'm supposed to select a certain bedroom for myself, although it seems as though I'm looking at bathrooms just for fun. This is not a habit of mine, so I immediately rule out that theory.

If you had said more about an entire dream I might be able to help more
(I firmly believe that the opening sequence of a dream gives the context
and when you don't have a good idea of the context, dream interpretation
winds up being almost hopelessly complicated by the massive number of
possible interpretations of any one symbol.

Anyway, when I look at the dream just from what you have said, I get
that it is about making choices in your personal life.  My guess is 
that it might have something to do with sexuality vs. control.  (Common
themes for bedrooms are sex, comfort, unconsciousness and sometimes
secrets; bathroom themes: control, cleansing, sterility, but sometimes
creativity (that would be if the bathrooms have obvious excrement or
similar mess in them or somehow contacting you.)

>1) The significance of being shot or attacked in a dream? I've been shot during dreams many times, and am sure I've died. It's pretty unnerving, and when I tell my friends about it, they think it's pretty morbid.

Dying in dreams is a really important message about transformation of
self.  Usually when you can clearly see what has died and what it
has been killed off by, you get a very good idea of what the most
important issue is in your deep psyche, and of what is dying in
you and often what will come in to take its place.  

For example, a friend of mine had a dream where she was standing on
 a tall cliff, and a drug lord sees her from below and shoots her
through the heart and she dies.  This was about how much she is 
up in her head, thinking and intellectualizing, but this force of
mystery and excess and danger brings her out of that.  Soon after
that she had a period where she became more sexually and sensually
open than she had ever been, and while she sometimes felt a little
crazy for a while, she wound up more balanced overall.

>Char

Virginia
vmf@acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: alt.dreams
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:38:34 GMT

In <1992Jul27.164341.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

> ...i guess the reason i use such terms as "other-worldly"
> is simply that i don't know what other terms there are to use to describe such
> experiences.  i'm glad you pointed that out though, and think it would be a
> very constructive subject.

I'll be looking forward to talking about the subject, but hope we can wait
until we get the newsgroup name thing settled.

> ...
> are obes evidence of a soul that lives on after death?
> is there such a thing as reincarnation?
> what is the significance of the physical world to the out of body self?
> is there even such a thing as an out of body self?
> if so, does it function when we are awake?
> what is the nature of spiritual development?
> what is the "higher self"?

I've been reading some books that have a lot of interesting things to say
on these subjects, and am eager to discuss them.  I'll give references and
will quote as much as my poor tired fingers can type in.

Gary
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    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
From: tpe36878@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Who are you to ask? )
Subject: flaming dog heads
Summary: what do flaming dog heads mean?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:33:31 GMT
Keywords: dreams symbols dogs heads flames

Hi again, everybody:

	Here's another wacky dream I had:

	Of course, it was a weird one because it was during a mid-day nap.
Anyway, I dreamt that I was looking out my bedroom window, except it was not the
same view--it was a view down on of the streets on campus here, between the
'six-pack' freshman residence halls and IMPE, the intramural physical education
building (maybe these have some significance?) I dreamt that I was looking
down onto the street, for my apartment is on the third floor, and it was
snowing out. (I'm sure that means something). It started to get really windy,
and as I looked out onto the street, I noticed that there were dog heads
being carried in the wind...only they were flaming at their severed necks! In
case it matters, the heads were those of dobermans and greyhounds, and I think
also there was a bulldog head in there.
	For the record, I love dogs, and perhaps this has something to do with
it. If anyone has any idea, PLEASE e-mail me or do a follow up post...I have
never had such a dali-esque dream before, and it kind of weirded me out.


		thanks for at least reading,
		thomas ehardt
		tpe36878@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:54:19 GMT
Subject: Re: OOBE
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com


	Firstly, thanks Jude, you're the first reply I've had. Exciting isn't it ?

	Now, before I go and try to have an OOBE there's a few final things that I'd
	like to clear up.

	When do I try? At night, or will there be nothing to see ?

	I get myself relaxed - OK, that's not too difficult, I've read a book on that.

	The next bit sounds hard - actually achieving separation - hmm, have to 
	experiment here I think.

	Should separation occur:
	and I go flying off into the night (or day), do I have a time limit ? 
	eg Will I be late for work the next morning if I stay out too late ?

	Do I have to make sure I can find my way back to my body ? I mean, what
	would happen if I were to get lost ?

	Thanks in advance for any help.

	RIK
From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: test
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:00:55 GMT

Summary:test			 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization:
Keywords: 

test test test. sorry.
.


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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: steer@sea11.oe.fau.edu (Barry Steer)
Subject: LUCIDLY DREAMING THAT YOUR DREAMING
Organization: Advanced Marine Systems Group
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:00:51 GMT

When I was thirteeen years old I had
a lucid dream. In this dream I dreamt
that I went to bed and hence to sleep.  
After lucidly dreaming that I was asleep, I
started to dream lucidly. In other words 
one can  lucidly dream that you are dreaming.

Anyone out there ever have this kind of
"double" lucidity?
From: heard@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Glasses dream!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:30:53 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

> John P. Doherty writes:
> 
>I have this curious dream that I have recently realised seems to have
>occured a couple of times. I wear glasses, and in my dream my glasses
>always (a) break (b) get scratched irreperably or (c) when I clean
>them with a cloth in the dream the lens sometimes rips like paper.
>This is a most interesting thing. I can't attribute anything 
>relevant from my conscious mind. The glasses incidence probably
>occurs as a small part of larger dream experience (which is unique
>each time), but I can't remember the scenario. My only hunch
>was that it was some fear that I might be going blind , but my eyesight
>is not very bad. Interested if anyone has any suggestions, but without
>any additional relevant information, I suppose it would be difficult
>to attribute any significance.

I don't like to attribute a single meaning to a symbol 
in a dream -- people look on things differently, and 
the same thing may mean different things in different 
contexts. However, glasses are aids to vision, so 
breaking or obscuring them could stand for 

* doing something which will stop you seeing things clearly
      in the metaphorical sense,
* doing something which goes against your "vision"
* "closing your eyes" to something -- that is, denying 
      something which you know is true
* a number of possible other related meanings which you 
      can work out for yourself

You should look at the events in the context of the 
rest of the dream, and look at your current life 
circumstances to see if any of the above fit. Let the 
group know how well these ideas apply.

Take care
Ronno
==================================================
For dreams and Reason, against arbitrary authority.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: hand in toilet
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:31:34 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <4074@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> c91imc@prg.ox.ac.uk (Ian Crawshaw) writes:

>In article <1992Jul20.152009.9486@waikato.ac.nz> matt@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>>had to releive myself in my dreams, and after finding a suitable place,
>>peed for a very long time indeed.  Just as I would be marvelling at the

>erm... while on the subject: why is it that whenever I do a poo in a dream, it
>is *enormous*, sometimes over a metre long!!!

>Ian.
>================================================================================
>c91imc@prg.ox.ac.uk                                   Ian.Crawshaw@prg.ox.ac.uk

>               I don't post often enough to bother with a .sig
>================================================================================

You MEASURE them?!!?!?!?!?!?!


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