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From: d89-rbi@dront.nada.kth.se (Ron Birk)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: WOW !! Spaceball
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:25:26 GMT
	<1993Jan8.114057.10898@fwi.uva.nl>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1993Jan8.114057.10898@fwi.uva.nl> bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman) writes:

>   >Yes it is. I'd like to note that there is now a updated version of this
>   >disk as nic.funet.fi:pub/amiga/demos/Demo_Competition/Spaceballs.Demo.DMS
>   >and it works also on these one meg CHIP memory machines.
>
>   Altho this followup does work, I must say I have NO respect whatsoever
>   for the people of Skid Row, who cracked it. They may have solved
>   the incompatibility problems, but adding their name to the endpart
>   saying 'the trackloader sucked and the code was awful' is really low.
>   All these demos were probably made with a lot of time pressure, and
>   you cant expect it to be 100% They won , cause it was simply the best
>   demo on the party. Maybe Skid Row should pay more attention to
>   their own 'productions' cause more then half the time, their own
>   releases arent what I'd call bugfree.

You are quite right. A better solution would be to only write a short note
in the beginning that they fixed some bugs. Thats all. To write those silly
messages is only to write bad about themselves in other words.

And, yes, I could imagine they didn't have too much time to put it all
together and test it on all machines. BUT! when will they learn some common
programming rules to get future projects to work? How often doesn't a track
loader fail because they use a short DBF loop when stepping the header???
On a 68030 with cache this loop will be far too short!

So all you guys who happen to know someone who wrote one of these demos (or
know someone who know someone etc). Please! tell them to update their work
(before SkidRow) and release a version that work!! We like their work and if
not for other reasons, programs that only work on one machine is very bad
publicity!
--
 Ron Birk         CS&CE at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden.
 Krogarvagen 11   Projects: PlaySID (Amiga), FanGog (Mac), MonkeyBase (Unix)
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From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: "Good" demos and "Bad" demos!
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:32:45 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <C0Lyn3.4y5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
> In article <1993Jan9.135557.62579@cc.usu.edu>, slhmz@cc.usu.edu says most sayishly:
>>For ME, the programming is MUCH better in the spaceballs demo because
> it works.
> 
> Spaceballs screwed up on programming, too.  It was Skid Row who fixed
> it, thank them.

  Oh... Well, thank you Skid Row.
  Why not "fix" the Anarchy demo while you're at it?

--
Faith Gibson
 
> -- 
>     // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)
>    // 68030 25 MHz /__/\ \ My opinions wear combat boots.  Or whatever.
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>  \/                     / taxi."  --George Bernard Shaw
From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: "bad" demos, and the machine they don't run on.
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:51:29 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I have been unable to execute the following demos on an Amiga 3000 under
any configuration selectable by degrader, under 1.3 and 2.x

Note that these are from "The Party '92"

1.  trsi.dms
2.  spaceb.dms

Just a warning about the above so you don't try to download them at 1200 BAUD
for a couple of hours...

I did get addict.dms to go... cool tunes, weird effects... way weird effects.

--
Faith Gibson
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From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble)
Subject: Re: Spaceballs on nic.funet.fi corrupt?
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd
Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:36:42

leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll) wrote:

> It seems that the Spaceballs.demo.DMS file on nic.funet.fi is corrupt. The DMS
> havent got some blocks.

The original version was replaced with the Skid Row version.

> (and where is the PCM alpha&ohmega partII disk1????)

As stated in "CORRUPT", it is (believe it or not) corrupt.

> -Morten Leikvoll / leikvoll@hsr.no (Is it short enough?)

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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Spaceballs (the demo)
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:57:56 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <C0n95r.9Br@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
:In article <1ip00tINNn59@girtab.usc.edu>, wdao@girtab.usc.edu (Walter Dao) says most sayishly:
:>
:>Ok I spend a few (!!) hours downlading these demos... a few crash miserably
:>on my amiga set up . A few work on my machine. a few boots, a little looksy,
:>hmmmm Hardwired was better. Until Spaceballs.... 
:>It is a must have !!! less of Programmer's Ego and more of Consistency !!!
:>Of course the Sh*t Heads of Skid row had to spoil the show ....

:How about some fucking respect?  If it weren't for them, that demo
:wouldn't even work on your machine!  Most people can ignore the comment
:at the end of the demo.  At least it works, so be thankful.  Sheesh.

Could somebody save me a possible waste of download time and tell me if
this demo works on an A2000 w/4.5 Meg Fast, 512K chip (I know, I know -
I got it used at a great price and haven't had the time/money to get the
1 Meg Aggie) under WB 1.3 (or 2.1)?  

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos,de.comp.sys.amiga.misc,swnet.sys.amiga,sfnet.atk.amiga
From: hazen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re:  The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:54:43 GMT

In article <marc.01kk@aargh.adsp.sub.org> marc@aargh.adsp.sub.org (Marc Heuler) writes:

>>Actually, how do I run the Spaceballs demo? When I boot it I get a
>>vector gfx hand for a second or so then it guru's. I have a vanilla 500
>>with 1 meg.
>
>I had the same problem, and after a few minutes I found out the demo
>doesn't work with Kickstart 2.04, but does with 1.3. If you don't have a


That's funny, it works FINE for me under 2.04. It may be memory
related; mayhaps you have a memory card that reconfigs your memory
differently under 2.04 and 1.3? Who knows.

But hey, it worked fine for me.
-- 
A signature is just two lines to irritate everyone.  -hazen@athena.cs.uga.edu
Mark Hazen			 	    	     -Reverb of Megawatts
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From: s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Pumpkin Power)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Mahoney and Kaktus
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:56:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Keywords: interview amiga MOD module

tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier) writes:

>Hey guys... I know you are out there. (Mahoney at least)

>I've got to write a paper on an important/prominent figure in history,
>and I figured that it would be much easier to write if the important
>person(s) was(were) alive today.

>One big question... did you think that when you made the noisetracker
>that it would have had as big an impact on the computing world as it
>does? People today now use the amiga playing modules as kind of a
>benchmark of sorts...

Why not interview Karsten Obarski then?  Or talk with Unknown of D.O.C?
Noisetracker certainly was a huge improvement on their versions, but
I wouldn't exactly class them as the originators of the MOD format.

Pumpkin Power  :  s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
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From: umpistun@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Pistun)
Subject: Party II demos
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:32:07 GMT

   I recently d/loaded most of the Party II demos and have been having
a hell of a time getting them running on my A600.  I've been running
the degrader and setting it into PAL and trying different memory settings
but most of them still won't go..  I'm having troubles with the Paradise,
Profecy, Fairlight, Triangle, Dominators, TRSI and several other demos.
I've gotten the Spaceballs, Balance, Trash, Anarchy and Digital demos
to work..  (Most of the demos load in a few tracks and then I meet teh
guru)...  Anyone have any solutions or am I shit out of luck?  


-- 
Brent E. Pistun                                       Computer Engineering
umpistun@CCU.UManitoba.CA                           University of Manitoba
From: jawil@hpx13.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: How could SpaceBalls win?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo

In article <C0qwv7.G3G@lysator.liu.se>, marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:

|> TRSI's demo isn't very impressive. There are few new ideas in that
|> one. 
At least you're totally right about this. This demo is almost as boring as
PMC's Alpha and Omega II. *shrug*


| >But Triangle's demo is great! The title says it all: No vectors!
|> It takes me back to the years before the vector demos, but it has new
|> ideas and effects with bitplane graphics! OK, the music is not better
|> than demo standard, and it could fit on one disk, but it still is
|> great. 
The title says it all? WHAT? The demo is FILLED(!) with vectors. The most
embarrasing part of it is when the actually write: No More Vectors in BIG a
BIG vector scroll. Utterly hopless.

OK.. So the demo has got some new ways of doing old things, but not any great
new ideas. And the music is, as you point out, terrible.

|> Far better than State of the Art. How can a demo with just one
|> simple effect win a big demo competition? The coding isn't advanced,
|> it just displays vectorized graphics in different ways (easy to code),
|> there are no bitmap graphics (except for the dragon in the beginning,
|> which I admit looks good) and the music sucks. And this takes a whole
|> disk and demands 1 meg of memory (and the memory should be at $c00000
|> in the original version, before Skid Row were kind enough to fix it).
|> The only thing that takes a bit of work on that demo is the creation
|> of the animations, which I guess were made in some animation program.
The demo won because nobody had ever seen something like it before. The scene
is tired of things bouncing around in demos, and want something new. And with
the HUGE screen and pretty good sound equipment at the party it just made a
sudden impact. After seeing it I was SURE it would win. It got the loudest
applouse by far.
The animiations was not made in an animation, something I'm sure you could
notice if you looked at the demo once more. They are first digitzed in one
bitplane a girl dancing, and then they have run a vectortracingprogram on it
afterwards.

|> I'm not saying that State of the Art is worthless. It would be a good
|> file intro, but as a trackmo, it just isn't state of the art.
Intro?? Do you know how much vector data this trackmo contains? And do you
think the music would fit into an intro of about 50K? Agh..

-- 
                               Jan Roger Wilkens
                     Student at Agder Engeeniering School
                               Computer Technics

                              EMail: jawil@aid.no
From: psteffn@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Paul Steffen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Fast line drawing routines?
Date: 9 Jan 93 07:03:23 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan9.001026.16726@doug.cae.wisc.edu> pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon) writes:
>     I also may need a faster routine to copy the memory.  Someone had
>mentioned using movem.l ???  Can anyone send me a routine which uses this?
>I have been using move.l with a dbf loop.
>

Try the move16 instruction.  Movem.l is register-to-memory or memory-to-
register.  The move16 instruction is memory-to-memory.  For instance;
 
move16 (a0)+,(a1)+
 
Moves 16-bytes of memory and post-incrementsboth address registers.  
I remember reading something about using the 68040's data cache as directly 
accessible high-speed memory but in my scanning through the 68040 manuals,
I could not find this mode.  I didn't look too hard.
 
STratoHAK
From: Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Curious..hmmm
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:20:00 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

  I was wondering about afew things. I noticed some theparty2 invitation
thingy. I think it was called bodil.exe. Oh well I noticed MELON looks
down upon KEFRENS? They even had a cute little picture that p*sses on
a anhk sign. Not only that they call them lame. Geesh what is going on?
What did Kefrens do to deserve this?
 
  I personal respect them to some extent. In the past, they sure did some
decent stuff. Way back in 89-90 they did good. I saw that Guardian Dragon 2
demo, and thought it was decent. However like alot of these demos they will
not work on my friends Amiga 2000, who has no memory at $c00000.
 
 I'm not sure, but I think alot of those europeans use ASM1 or MSEKA. I
strongly suggest not using it. Devpac 2 is good enough for Mc68000 stuff. 
 
  Is it true some of these demos do not work, cause they SECTION off there
code to fixed memory locations? Geez thats weird. Even in Seka they have
load (certain memory location) and I seen alot of source use 'ORG'. If I
know better when coding on the Amiga stick away from that. 
 
  The point is all demos should work atleast on an A600..1meg CHIP and
wb2.04!
It sure upsets me to hear so many duds lately from party2. Oh well just
thought to add afew words. ttul!
  
 -Alex
 
 ps: New demo standard?   1 meg chip, 512k fast  'PAL' or 'NTSC-overscan'
                         gfx & sfx      code
 
 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: jbrown@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Justin William Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:16:38 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: alt
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In article <KIMMO.KETOLAINEN.93Jan7231725@polaris.utu.fi> Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble) writes:
>
>I don't think there's much mind storing demos on floppies in DMS
>format.  Just extract them to floppies  to the original form and
>when the time comes, read them back to DMS format.

I agree :).  But my problem was that there was NO earthly way for me to
download a 900K+ dms archive because nothing I had was big enough to store
it even temporarily.  The best I could do was download the archive until the
disk was full and then extract all but the last few tracks to disk and
hope the someone would be nice enough to at least uploa the last few
tracks :).  (Speaking of which, you have another dms archive that's too
large for a disk in the misc demos dir... Darkness Megademo 2 or something
like that...)

>How do you plan to store this file? :)
> 9400205 Jan 05 1993 pub/amiga/graphics/animations/EsaKuru/Napoleon.anim.lha

Forget it :).

-Maruku of (\/)ega(/\)atts
jbrown@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Marc Brown
From: chrisr@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Ringe)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Compatability Problems with MOST Party II demos.  (Yuk!)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 18:44:43 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I was disturbed to find that only 9 Party II demos worked on the A600.  
Seeing as the A600 is the replacement for the A500, I would assume that a 
greater number (or all) would work on this base machine.
 
I feel that a greater number will work in the future, however there is NO 
reason why they can't function the first time around.
 
I realize that the most popular configuration is a A500 w/512K chip, No 
Fast. (At least across the big blue puddle).
 
I was also at little dissapointed that 10% of the demos 
(demos_competition directory) where bad DMS files.

Chris Ringe       (VE6MCP)
St. Albert, Alberta, CANADA
MAIL: chrisr@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
PHONE: (403) 460-PLAY/7529
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: TESTED PARTY II DEMOS ON 68030!
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:49:02 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

All this whining about democoders really makes me wonder.
If you dont like it that a demo doesnt work for you..code your own
demo. Demo coders dont do this for money..you dont have to pay a thing.
So..if it doesnt work..tough luck. Be glad they even take the time
to change things after bugreports.

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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Organization: Enea Data AB
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:40:59 GMT

marc@aargh.adsp.sub.org (Marc Heuler) writes:
: In article <LUNDMAN.93Jan3200127@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz> lundman@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (L Lundman) writes:
: >Actually, how do I run the Spaceballs demo? When I boot it I get a
: >vector gfx hand for a second or so then it guru's. I have a vanilla 500
: >with 1 meg.
: 
: I had the same problem, and after a few minutes I found out the demo
: doesn't work with Kickstart 2.04, but does with 1.3. If you don't have a
: ROM-Switch I advise you to have a look at SKick by Pavel Troller. You then
: can soft-kick 1.3 on your 2.0 machine.

Where do one get that? Does it work on an A3000 with 2.04 in ROM?

-- 
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From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble)
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd
	<KIMMO.KETOLAINEN.93Jan7115206@polaris.utu.fi>
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Distribution: alt
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:17:25

jbrown@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Justin William Brown) wrote:

> >Do you mean you store these files on floppies?
> Yep.  Actually, I had at first thought that MOST Amiga-owners in the workld
> didn't have a HD... but maybe I'm just the minority? :)

I don't think there's much mind storing demos on floppies in DMS
format.  Just extract them to floppies  to the original form and
when the time comes, read them back to DMS format.

How do you plan to store this file? :)

 9400205 Jan 05 1993 pub/amiga/graphics/animations/EsaKuru/Napoleon.anim.lha

> Marc Brown

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From: jralph@cix.compulink.co.uk (Jolyon Ralph)
Subject: Mass Demo Swaps...
Cc: jralph@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: jralph@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:35:00 +0000

Anyone out there interested in mass demo swapping? On DC6150/6250
or 4MM DAT Tapestreamer cartridge? Quarterback 5/Ami-Back or TAR
format?...

Mail me if interested.

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Jolyon Ralph, Technical Director, Almathera Systems Ltd.        |
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|  jralph@cix.compulink.co.uk   or    jolyon@althera.demon.co.uk   |
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From: leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll)
Subject: Re: Spaceballs on nic.funet.fi corrupt?
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:32:33 GMT

It seems like the file is updated the 5th. I got before. It was 663132 bytes long.
Now it is 675479 bytes! check yours!
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Spaceballs (the demo)
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:52:59 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

>In article <1ip00tINNn59@girtab.usc.edu>, wdao@girtab.usc.edu (Walter Dao) says most sayishly:
>>
>>Ok I spend a few (!!) hours downlading these demos... a few crash miserably
>>on my amiga set up . A few work on my machine. a few boots, a little looksy,
>>hmmmm Hardwired was better. Until Spaceballs.... 
>>It is a must have !!! less of Programmer's Ego and more of Consistency !!!
>>Of course the Sh*t Heads of Skid row had to spoil the show ....

>How about some fucking respect?  If it weren't for them, that demo
>wouldn't even work on your machine!  Most people can ignore the comment
>at the end of the demo.  At least it works, so be thankful.  Sheesh.

RESPECT?!?! gawd...maybe if they had the decency not to fuck up the end
screen and make it look as if they were so much better then the coders
of the demo..just cause they removed some bugs. If Skid Row themselves
start showing respect for others..i will think of respecting them.
Skid row should pay more attention to their own releases...they suck.

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From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimble)
Subject: Re: The Party II demos available at the FUNET Archive
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd
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Distribution: alt
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:52:06

jbrown@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Justin William Brown) wrote:

> Please, if and before you delete something from nic, let us know and give
> us a good long warning.

I will. Is a week beforehand enough?

> BTW, a MILLION thanks for uploading JesusOn-Es-2.DMS in TWO parts.  It
> is only now that I can finally see the demo (the blithering moron who
> originally upped it gave us an archive that was larger than a DISK could
> hold).

Do you mean you store these files on floppies?

> Marc Brown

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