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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:34:30 BST
From:         Gerry Callaghan <eeigcn@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject: Re: Death Penalty
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Hello Everyone,

The death penalty, murder by the state in the name of you and me, is an
obscenity beyond all obscenity. It applies, almost without exception
to the outcasts in a society, the poor, minorities and above all to
the mentally ill. These people, the people who kill others, are as much victims
 as those who were killed.

As a deterent it does not work. It converts the justice system in a
country to a revenge mechanism where only crimes that attract public
interest can lead to execution. Above all it gives official support
and sanction to the tiny minority who can stand outside a prison
and chant " Fry, Fry ".

It drives wedges between groups within a society, leading to increased
distrust and hatred. Even if the execution is "just" by the standards of  the
 ruling class concerned it is seen as an act of oppression by the
minority.
Irish folk song from the last century has numerous examples of people
who comitted gruesome crimes being converted to political heros after
they were hanged.

The death penalty has nothing to do with justice and everything to do
with revenge. It should have no place in any society that tries to become
 civilised.

" Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is
 wrong? "

Gerry Callaghan
eeigcn@eeiuc.ericsson.se
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:07:35 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject: Re: Death Penalty

Gerry!

Agree with you all the way.....

zahir

ps. get ready for Phil...
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:50:26 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
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Hi Detriz:

Nice to meet you!

I am currently stdying Spanish and soon, Anthropology.

Hope to hear more from you on this list.

Yor new friend,
Emmy
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:52:13 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: National Health Care

Patrick and Deborah,

I hope you watch the program tonight on this issue...Walter Kronkite on
Canadian and American Health care systems...

Its interesting that none of those countries with National Health Care
Systems want to copy the U.S. and abolish health insurance by Gov't.

zahir
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:07:44 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Who's rich and how did they get that way

 Zahir,

 I have to persue some of the assertions you've made on how one acquires and
 retains wealth.  Some of the blanket statements I just have to challenge.

 You imply that rich men get rich on the backs of the poor.  In some cases, I
 will concede that you are correct, but I don't accept that as a blanket
 statement.

 Who did Ray Kroc (McDonalds) oppress?  I'll grant you that the food is'nt that
 good for ones health, but it's not people are forced to eat there.

 Who did Bill Gates (Microsoft) oppress?  All the man did was meet a need, and
 he's become one of the richest men in the world.  He employs people, and
 creates secondary jobs when his employees spend their wages.

 Who did Tom Monahan sp (Dominos Pizza, Detroit Tigers) oppress?  Granted that
 I've eaten beter pizza, but people are not forced to purchase from him.

 What about the late Sam Walton (Wal-Mart), whom did he oppress?  All his
 company does is provide a variety of good to the public cheaper.

 I'll grant you your Lee Iacocca example.  If I were on the Chrysler Board of
 Directors, I'd want the man gone (and he's going).  He did preside in raising
 Chrysler up, but he was also there during the fall.  I don't believe that
 corporate CEO's deserve the millions while their corporation fails, but it is a
 private concern.  As long as they are not breaking the law, it's their
 business.  A job is not a social program, it's a loose contract to provide
 services.  I feel for those laid off, (it has happened to me once), but if they
 aren't needed at a specific business, then that's it.  It would be crazy to
 carry them, the Japanese are finding that out now.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:57:24 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Death Penalty

hello emmy..

I think death penalty should exist for big crimes like murder or rape...
When a person is given death penalty in public it sets an example for other
who are planning to do the same crime......putting them in jail is not enough..


Dilshad Ahmed
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: voting and laws in the US0fA
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 04:33:24 GMT


In a previous article, CHAVES@CCVAX.UNICAMP.BR (EDUARDO CHAVES -- UNICAMP) says:

>
>I am from Campinas, SP, Brazil, and sort of an old timer
>on this list, even though I have been quite silent lately.
I figured out that you are in Brazil from the address tag, but Campinas isn't
a familiar name.  Is the SP short for Sao Paulo?  I'm curious, and trying
to put a location to the name.[This is what comes of being atlas-addicted:) ]
I've been silent myself lately; no one seemed to be listening, so the keys
stopped clicking....

>Thank you for agreeing publicly with what is a rather un-
>pnpular view on this list.
Just for the record, I agreed with it too.  It's one reason I hate the current
set-up of the US Income Tax, and the local state income tax.  It uses 
something called "tax brackets" to determine one's rate of taxation.  A person
who earns US$30,000 a year pays one percentage, while someone who earns
US$31,000 pays a higher precentage.  In the end, the person who earns a 
thousand dollars less actually gets to keep more of the earned income.  Those
numbers may not be accurate [not having tax forms to check] but the
phenomenon called "bracket creep" certainly is.
What it amounts to is a disincentive to earn more income - say a raise or
performance bonus.  The system actually penalizes those who attempt to do
well at their jobs.  As long as the raise is outstripped by the tax <ahem>
"rape" there is a disincentive to excell.  It's illogical, but it's true, 
and it happens all the time.  And in some countries, things are worse than
they are here.<sigh>

>Eduardo
Ruth H.

>
-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:20:00 PDT
From:         Thomas_Guenther@3MAIL.3COM.COM
Subject:      How do you say Happy Birthday?

Tagalog - Maligayang kaarawan!

German  - Frohlichen geburtstag
    or  - Alles gute zum geburtstag (more common)
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:15:45 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

Yes Death penalty in public is a solution to all murders committed
anywhere....I think if we implement death penalty in public.....it will
reduce the crimes by 90%.....



Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:42:02 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?

Zahir...

I am from Pakistan, Karachi so I have learned some Urdu there....by the way
where and what are you studying...I am at western michigan university...

Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:02:00 PDT
From:         "Sam Edelman, Ph.D." <SEDELMAN@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?
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My transliteration is not great but happy birthday in Hebrew is Yom Ha ledit
Somaya'ch.
Sam Edelman
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:25:35 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

Emmy,

I relate to your thoughts on crime and being somewhat fed up with it...

I think that until we stop legislating morality we will continue to have
problems.... we should have learn't from prohibition that it just
does not work....There will always be alcoholics and drug addicts but we
could do a lot to remove the pushers and the street corner sales by
legalizing and teaching "how to" to those interested in using recreational
drugs...

Most of the crimes are related to the  selling and obtaining of drugs and
not from the actual using of drugs....

zahir
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:52:43 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

Eduardo,

First Chrysler stockholders and their Board is stacked.... second, they
do not care for the workers that work for them...If their stock earnings
can improve by closing a plant in the U.S. of A. and opening one in
Mexico (you can pollute far more over there and pay far lower) they will
or if they can buy one more car part overseas, they will.

The problem is that in a corporate democracy...and this is where Iaccoca and
others excel....the government can be manipulated.  You get tax breaks (here
in Ohio, the threat of closing a plant got huge breakthroughs in taxes as Ohio
agreed to lower it to nothing to keep them here)  and you get Gov't to
pressure other countries to keep imports down...  You pressure the government to
    delay fuel efficiency
requirements and so on.....

As for taxes on the rich.....compare these to Germany or Japan...we are lower
and in the end the working man gets fewer services (health care and so on).

zahir
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:12:16 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Who's rich and how did they get that way

 >> Good examples....of people who became rich and perhaps earned it honestly.

    Thank you.

 >> My problem still is that many, like Chrysler (you say it is a private
 >> concern) and other corporations do elect our gov't (thru PACS and other
 >> ways of lobbying) and do effect our laws and do get bailed out by the
 >> government when they screw up.....

    Many, Many PACS, I agree.  As I understand it (and I could be wrong) the
    most feared is the AARP (American Association of Retired Persons) of whom
    my father is a member (that's my source of the information).  I've seen
    their magazine, and they basically push for their people, so does the lobby
    for Jewish people, for Doctor's, for Lawyer's, for stockbroker's, for Real
    Estate, Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Pro-Gun, Anti-Gun ....     You get the idea.

    I agree the PAC's have a huge influence.  I disagree that they are all
    pro corporation.

    As long as they aren't breaking the law, I have no problem with prosperous
    corporations.  Jobs and prosperity are created in the private sector.  The
    government doesn't produce anything (besides headaches).  There are
    corporations that have huge philanthropic concerns (McDonalds - the Ronald
    McDonald House, as an example).

 >> It is a Corporate dictatorship disguised as a democracy...this U.S. of A.

    I would contend that it is a huge number of PAC's fighting for influence,
    but isn't a number of opinions trying to win specific issues part of
    Democracy.  Maybe my proximity to Chicago has left me a bit jaded, but I
    don't think we'll ever been without political "sin", as it were.
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Date: 28 Aug 92 13:23:02 GMT
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Greetings Emmy,
 My I(22) agree with you all the way!!
About a year ago, I visited Gaulajara Mexico and met a female(26) that spoke
very little English. I, on the other hand spoke enough Spanish to relate to her
. The corelation to the issue is that Verbal communication and non-verbal
communication can be a henderance to such type of relationship.

 By the way, I speak English, French, and continuing Spanish. My dad is Canadian
French and mom is Afro-American.

Keep in touch,

new friends &)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:09:57 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: National Health Care.

Phil,

You are right, once this gov't starts something, it never goes away...
Though the groundwork for what they decide is laid by corporation
lobbyists and PAC's and NOT the people of this country.....The Gov't
pressured by news releases decided to make the Soviets a monster (they
never had a chance to really threaten the U.S.) and so we spend
Billions in Space Research, Weapons development and arms...Once the monster
was created, the defense industries to this day have effected our gov't.  We
hire people in the Pentagon and the State Dep't who lobby for more
money for the defense firms they go to work with upon retirement!

And I do agree with you that we need less government...starting with the
dismantling of the CIA, reduction of our militiary machine and defense
industries, removing of our interference through Farm subsidies in
Agriculture and so on...  I think we cannot compete with Japan and Europe
as long as our best scientists and Engineers are doing research and
engineering producing weapons we do not use and space technologies that
may or may not be useful in the future while our competitors are using
their best to produce usable goods of today...

zahir
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:47:42 EST
From:         LUKH@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Re: voting and laws in the US0fA

>As I say, everyone is entitled to their view - to agree or disagree.
>Nice hearing from you, but you didn't leave a name with regards to
>disagreeing with me and Eduardo.
>
>/Emmy

Sorry that I was not aware earlier that not all systems would show
the sender's name in the header.  My name is Luke Luk.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:02:00 GMT-0200
From:         EDUARDO CHAVES -- UNICAMP <CHAVES@CCVAX.UNICAMP.BR>
Subject:      Re: More Thoughts

/Emmy:

The counterpart to the first quote is:

Success is not a matter of sheer luck: ask any successful
person.

Eduardo
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:20:27 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Death Penalty

Hello Emmy...

Nice to hear from you....But I have to say that isn't that gross that innocent
victim being raped daily in New York..Or those who are being murdered ...Who
will do justice with them......Take example of a country where proper death
penalty is applied..and you will see the differnce in the crime rate..for
example Saudi Arabia although they have not implemented the proper throughout
system but the crime rate is almost nil.....One example is enough usually
enough for the whole society...That is the way God has prescribed in his laws
for us...and HE knows what is best for us.......


Yours Truly
Dilshad Ahmed
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:26:44 EST
From:         Deborah Economidis <DMARTIN@WCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Medical

 Zahir,

 You said:
 >Have you also heard about the costs of aspirin or even a swab that is
 >included in a patients bill at a hospital...

 TRUE, TRUE, TRUE!!!  My ex worked at a nursing home for a while and he
 said they had to record every little thing that they used for their
 clients; even each individual swab or tongue depressor and the costs were
 outrageous.  Since my ex was from Scotland I was embarassed that he was
 exposed to this in the U.S.  No wonder there are those who call Americans
 "Capitalists pigs".

 Deborah
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From:         Gerry Callaghan <eeigcn@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject: Re: How do you say Happy Birthday?
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Helo Emmy,
How about an obscure one?
In Irish and Scottish Gaelic its
 La Beirthe Sona Duit
Pronounced
' laa beirthe soona duuit ' as ASCII does not have the accent marks required.

Slan is Beannacht,     ( Health and Blessings )
Gerry

eeigcn@eeiuc.ericsson.se
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:58:25 BST
From:         Gerry Callaghan <eeigcn@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      RE: Death Penalty
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Emmy writes

> Does anyone know what "TO SWAG OFF" means? I've never heard of this
> expression.

SWAG is the Australian slang expression for the bedroll you carry
when travelling through the bush.

I've never seen it used it the expression " to swag off" but it would
consistent with the general meaning.

Its mentioned in the Australian National Anthem (!) Waltzing Matilda
"Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong
  Under the shade of a Kooliba tree ... "

All the best,
Gerry
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Date: 28 Aug 92 14:14:37 GMT
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Hello again,
 Emmy, do you have a bitnet address as username@nodename (i.e. Wynn004@TSU)
???
try, at your system prompt, send wynn004@tsu       then hit enter      then
type a message......then hit enter.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:07:21 EDT
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Thank you Sam./EMmy
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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Subject: Re: More Thoughts
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Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 04:06:44 GMT


In a previous article, Solomon.Yusim@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU () says:

>> RE: Counterpart of quote
>> That is also true. / Emmy
>
>And you may very well be absolutely right.  The question, though, is, "What
>is _that_?"   8-)

"That" is either a demonstrative adjective or a demonstrative pronoun, 
depending on usage.:-)

		Ruth

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:25:12 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Who's rich, and how did they get that way

 >>I do not think PAC's fighting over who to elect is democracy....
   True, PAC's don't elect politicians, people do.

 >>In the end they are fighting over their own needs.....
   Absolutely, that is a PAC's function.

 >>....So which PAC represents the homeless or the environment and can they
 >>afford to compete???
   I'm sure they exist though I can't give you names.  Can they afford to
   compete?  I don't know, I haven't seen their books.

 >>Watching the U.S. elections is like watching the Superbowl...can be
 >>fascinating...maybe even encourage us to go see it and participate...but
 >>in the end, it makes little difference in our lives...
   I'm not sure I agree.  It seems to me that if you're for more liberalism and
   more socialism, you vote Democrat.  If you are for individual rights over the
   State, the closest available choices to match that end are Libertarian or
   Republican.  Now, before someone jumps down my throat on the "Choice"
   argument, please note that I said " the closest available choices".  I did
   NOT say the best choice nor did I say the exact choice.

 >>Its PAC"S and corporations fighting for a peice of our treasury ...Few PAC"S
 >>lose much anyway, because they fund both candidates and lobby both...
   I know about PAC's working to curry favor with both sides.  It makes sense
   from the point of view of the PACs.  Please elaborate on PAC's and
   corporations fighting for their piece of the treasury.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:09:39 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Who's rich and how did they get that way

Good examples....of people who became rich and perhaps earned it honestly.

My problem still is that many, like Chrysler (you say it is a private
concern) and other corporations do elect our gov't (thru PACS and other
ways of lobbying) and do effect our laws and do get bailed out by the
government when they screw up.....

It is a Corporate dictatorship disguised as a democracy...this U.S. of A.

In theory thiere is supposed to be a trickle down effect....let the rich get
richer, give the corporations a break (taxes) and they will hire and improve
the U.S. economy.... They, the rich and the corporations get their breaks and
are improving the economy of Mexico and Canada and elsewhere where there is
less environmental concerns and cheaper labor.....

Unfortunately, changing presidents is not the answer either.....

zahir
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