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From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Vysotsky flame: loop #5 (Nikolayev)
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:37:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <NIKOLAY.92Nov9204326@husc10.harvard.edu>, nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:
>
>Hey, you still haven't told us what the fuck Lehigh University is!
>
This is of no import to thee, mortal: Lehigh University is a place 
for no wimps.

>Respectfully,
>Phil

Best regards...


-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Some private news from Moscow
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:19:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14655.2b039d3a

In article <Bxnx3q.2wA@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
> In article <01GQZQFNN9EO8ZDW9U@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>>Today I got an e-mail letter from one my friend. He came
>>back to Moscow (Space Research Institute) from Harvard
>>recently. I think the audience would be interested to
>>read an exempts. Could someone translate the Russian
>>part ?  The original, as you can see below is a mix of
>>English and Russian.
>>
>>-------
>>
>>Here, in fact, all is not so bad, as you may have imagined reading Novoe
>>russkoe slovo. $ is just passed 400 rub today (403 rub/$). Prices
>>are still on the level of approx 100 times of doperestroechnykh, so you
>>can calculate that the real rate is about 30-50 rub/$ . ...
> 
>     If the rouble is so undervalued, one could make a fortune by
>     exchanging dollars for roubles. Shall we assume that the friend of 
>     yours has already put his dollars where his mouth is?  Or, is he 
>     waiting till the rouble hits new lows against the dollar (current 
>     forecast is 500r/$ in December)?
> 

  Well, though this question should be re-directed to the author
of the letter, nevertheless I would venture to guess the answer.
  First, there are indeed folks who are making money by currency
speculations in Russia.
  Second, the rate 400R/$ reflects the deficit of cash bucks on
the market, and not in any way the buying power of roubles. Otherwise
one should assume that people could live on $10/month, which is
unrealistic.
S.V.
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Expert vs. Authority Re: Leave Vysotsky alone! (was Re: A blasphemy...)
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:27:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov9.192737.17270
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:

[ otherwise sound and agreeable article deleted? ]

>Side remark: Misha, what may you know about Cthulhu?
>Necronomicon isn't a toy - so, please, be responsible too.

Why ask? I read H. P. Lovercraft.
Necromicon is a fictious book invented by latter
(and Cthulhu is a fictious monster ----"-----)

Keep smiling! There are no monsters around yet :)

"In the house of R'lyegh dead Cthulhu lies waiting"

P. S. I have read on news the long article explaining
(quite explicitly) why Jesus Christ and Cthulhu are
the same person. Reposting on demand.

Misha.
           "Don't do as I do - do as I say!" - Fad Gadget
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: joke
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 20:15:43 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14l by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <BxGIMC.6t1@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
>In article <LJawTB1w165w@bwalk.dm.com> mlv@bwalk.dm.com (Marina Vulis) writes:
>>How does a Soviet emigre commit suicide?
>>Lowers his head & sniffs his armpit.
>>---
>
>    Dmitry, is it you again?

I would venture a guess that this is Dimitry's grandmother.
How does DLV commit suicide ?  Sniffs his socks, gets an
orgasm and a heart-attack.
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Vysotsky flame: loop #4 (Verbitsky)
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:39:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

This is another ugly flame message. Don't read if you care
for your time and sanity, because it includes citations from
one of the most odious Harvard screwballs, namely someone
Misha Verbitsky.





















In article <1992Nov6.171749.17175@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>All of this for a comment that I rate Vysotsky no more than Rozenbaum!
>Nu ty i koziol, PIDOR VOROBIOFF. Tol'ko zasoryaesh' KILL-file.

Your cursing is most unimaginative. After muttering such pitiful
swearings, a true warrior would ask permission to die to cover
the shame.

I do not want your blood on my blade. More than this - I do not want
your brains on my bootsoles. I'll let you live - and this will be
the cruelest thing I can do. 



-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: reply to S. Borodin
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:36:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov5.193138.28842@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> @ee.surrey.ac.uk (null)
 writes:

 A lot of stuff which has nothing to do with my posting and, as customized
 here, accusses me in a sort of a membership in "Pamyat'" and other Neo-
 Nazi organizations.

 Dear Mr. Null,
 You defenetly missunderstood my posting. And I would appreciate if you
 will read BEFORE start typing an answer. It will also be benefitial if
 you will read the WHOLE article and not pick up a sentence you don't
 like. After all, 79 characters per line will also make your reply more 
 readable, however I understand that you might express your disrespect
 to me in this way.

>A.S.

 S.B.
From: mlv@bwalk.dm.com (Marina Vulis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: joke
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 19:43:44 EST
Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.

How does a Soviet emigre commit suicide?
Lowers his head & sniffs his armpit.
---
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:9776 rec.arts.books:19757
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Venedikt Erofejev: Moskva - Petushki
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:21:42 EST

In article <1dm5p6INNd15@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> Has anyone else noticed that when one Mihail calls another Mihail "Misha", 
> that he probably means "Scumbag"?
> 
> 						Fido
Just to be pedantic, Frantseshku, addressing someone named Mikhail 
as Misha is isomorphic to addressing them in the familiar "ty" 
instead of the formal "vy".  [How to transliterate myaky znak, anyway?]
One has to work up a head of steam to go from this slightly 
garrulous familiarity to an open insult.
							-Luke
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: NUKE HARVARD TO HELL!
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Nov5231737
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard
In-reply-to: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu's message of 4 Nov 92 21:41:32 GMT

pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes:

> See subject.

> -- 
> Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.

That's OK, but what the fuck is Lehigh University?

Phil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: reply to s. borodin (was:
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:24:21 EST

    Sorry for butting in, but....

Re: "Don't you think that the resurrection of anti-semitims after WWII
in Germany... was caused by Jews who kept reminding...etc. & ...nobody
forgot anything...."

Vadim, I understand you argument in general about the repressive nature
of the former Soviet regime, but the last paragraph is one of the
gravest misconceptions I've ever read.

First, it's really stupid (forgive the strong expression) to think that
a social phenomenon such as anti-semitism is caused by this "constant
dwelling on the past". It's a complex ideology of hatred, supplied by
several social a ideological factors. Besides, if you think that
changing the attitude of the people in CIS within two-three years is
impossible (which I agree with), why do you think that the Germans
switched their way of thinking after WWII immediately, & the only reason
of strengthening (or reviving) anti-semitism is the Jews?
     In this respect, your argument strongly reminds me to those who
keep insisting that the Jews should've behaved more "humbly", they
should've been more "polite", & than the Holocaust wouldn't have
happened...

     As to who remembers what, I gather you don't read the news too
often, do you? The notion of denying that the Holocaust ever happened is
at its all time high point. I could mention the obvious (Irwing, & his
kind, who have quite a few followers in Canada & in the USA, not to
mention Brittain & the rest of Europe), but if you'd read the diaries or
seen some documentaries about Germany in the '50's, you'd know that,
e.g. in West Germany, in the shools the history classes entirely
neglected to mention the very Exsistence of the Holocaust; about Hitler
there was merely taught more than that he built railway roads, highways,
a strong industry, & he got into a war with the SU.
     Please, note that I'M NOT EXAGGERATING OR KIDDING; what I've just
stated comes from interviews conducted with Germans (either on TV, or
personally).  So, before you say something, please check out your facts
first.
                        Robert
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
From: shteingd@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (Semion D. Shteingold)
Subject: Re: State Antisemitism in Russia (was re: reply to S. Borodin)
Reply-To: shteingd@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (Semion D. Shteingold)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:30:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.034149.29449@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
khaikin@neptune.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <96053@netnews.upenn.edu> 
|> >sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
|> >
|> >  As for myth about state supported antisemitism - never happened.
|> >

|> <stuff deleted>

|> This posting would be huge if I were to tell you just one humdredth part
|> of what my parents had to go through and I was there and saw it all.
|> The saying that Soviet (or whatever they renamed themselves to be now) state
|> does not support antisemitism probably means that you are not jewish. It
|> would really surprise me if you were. My family has suffered so mush
|> because of that that the only feeling I get reading such thing is anger.  

|> <stuff deleted>

|>    khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio, USA)


As a current sitizen of the USSR (I am ready to show my passport to anybody.
I've got it in this June), I confirm that "the dragon is still alive"
(E. Schwarts 'The Dragon', I don't know whether the book is translated
into English).

The 'state supported antisemitism'. If You don't want to belive-it's
your freedom.
A plenty of evidence sais that it did exist, the latest I know is 1987 (I mean 
only obviously STATE actions). 
Antisemitic propaganda was part of our life in USSR.
Only one example: in the russian translation of the book "Ubit' peresmeshnika"
by Harper Lie (Sorry, I don't know the english name: "to kill <name of a
spieces
of birds>"). There is a place in the book, where a teacher tells her class
about Nazi persecutions of Jews. The soviets added a footnote: "Now Jews are
doing the same with Arabs". Note: the book is for children.
No comments are needed.
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Jewish Autonomous Oblast
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:17:42 EST

In article <rabjab.238.721272969@golem.ucsd.edu>, rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
> I'm looking here at a National Geographic map of the Soviet Union (1990).
> 
> Way over in the east (bounded by China, Amur and Khabarovsk) is the small
> region labeled "Jewish A.O. (Autonomous Oblast)".  I would appreciate it
> if anyway could enlighten me on the history and current status of this
> small area of the Soviet Union.

  Birobidzhan is the only place on Earth, where one
could find _real_ Jews. A little bit frosen, but otherwise
well-preserved ones.
:-)

Serega & Co

> 
> Thank!
> Jeff Bytof
> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Originator: igor@krishna.cs.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:47:18 GMT


In article <1dergmINN6bm@rodan.UU.NET>, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
> In article <kosinov.721066584@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:

> 
> > Now, a disclaimer:
> >   this post was solely intended for decent people on this network, and is not
> >   in any way intended to dissuade Antonov and his ilk from joining Pamyat.
> 
> Esli pod "dostoi'nymi" ponimat' lyudei kotorye prikidyvayutsya
> "politicheskimi bezhentsami" uehavshi za belymi bulkami, to my
> imeem sovershenno raznye ponyatia o tom chto takoe "dostoi'nyi".
> Dostoinyh lyudei vysylali. A vy -- tak, govno.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nu teb'ya-to ne vyslali... I ne pizdi pro chto sam ne znaesh. Esli ty s'uda
"za belymi bulkami" sam priyehal, (t.k. ne vyslali zhe teb'ya, verno?) to eto ne 
znachit chto vse takie. Napominayet mne Rozenbaumovskii otvet na vopros o 
Galiche, kogda on v nashei shkole vystupal: "Ya ne mogu horosho otnosit's'ya 
k l'udyam kotorye pokinuli svoyu rodinu. Vot vysozkogo presledovali ne men'she,
chem Galicha, a on ne uehal" - doslovno.

> 
> >   First of all, nothing can accomplish such a Herculean
> >   task, and secondly, Pamyat is were they belong.
> 
> Net, pochemu zhe. Dostatochno perestat' vrat'. Vy ne zasluzhili dazhe
> togo chtoby vas kto-nibud' presledoval.

But Pam'yat' is still where you belong, judging by your posts, regardless of 
whether you want to join them formally or not. And I agree: Jews didn't deserve
to be prosecuted, and that's why the policy of their persecution is called 
"anti-semitism" - persecution solely on the basis of the national origin.
Did you deserve to be Russian?

> 
> --vadim

--Igor P
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: reply to S. Borodin
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:02:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov5.193138.28842@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> @ee.surrey.ac.uk (null) writes:
>
>Urm, brr, this stinks real bad. Does Mr Borodin think that more gifted children should not be
>admitted first? Perhaps racially-advantaged unadulteratedly-Slavic children should be given
>preference for the sake of "fairness"! 
>

Dear null,

You are certanly the most gifted child I ever heard of. From your letter
it is obvious that you learned  how to write without learning how to
read.

Seriouly, Borodin writes not about Jews and Rusiians but about Moscovites
and people from province. It is none of the secret that education in provinces
is not as good as in Moscow (no flames, please, not everywere in provinces
and not everywere in Moscow.). So of two kids showning same results on the 
exam, kid from province is, probably smarter. Preference to provincial
kids were official policy (not always enforced, due to housing problems).
It is in a sence similar to affirmative action here, but to me looks more
fair.

Yury
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Text (lyrics) wanted
Keywords: Former Soviet National Anthem
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:54:16 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <4373.720883268@ohrid> sjaak@cca.vu.nl (Jacques Schuurman) writes:
>Hello out there,

>I have always wanted to have the text (lyrics) of the national
>anthem of the former Soviet Union.  Is there some kind soul
>who can provide me with that, together with some facts such
>as title and composer?

>Thank you very much in advance.

Nobody cares for a chef-doevre - that's a pity!

Lyrics by Sergei Mikhalkov, music by Aleksandrov, outline and
corrections by Uncle Joe

	Gimn Sovetskogo Soyuza
	 (in somewhat perverted version)

Soyuz nerushimyi Respublik svobodnykh
Splotila naveki velikaya Rus' (pam-pam)
Da zdravstvuyet sozdannyi volei narodov
Edinyi moguchii Savets-kii Sa-yu-u-u-uz

(LOUDER) SLAV'SYA OTECHESTVO (U-U-U)
	 (U-U-U) NASHE SVOBODNOIE-E-E-E
	 (A-A-A) DRUZHBY NARO-ODOV NADIOZHNYI OPLO-O-OT!
	 PARTI-I-I-YA LENINA-A-A-A
	 (A-A-A) SI-I-I-I-ILA NARODNAYA-A-A-A
	 NAS K TORZHESTVU KOM-MU-NIZ MA! VE! DIOT!

I tak dalee (and so forth). If you care to learn more,
just ask. EVERYBODY on this newsgroup LOVES it!

Translation: I have no idea how to translate this.
The text is as genuine as something written by the men 
can get (and more: almost as Torah) and untranslable as 
well. Enjoy the original version, chummer. 

Misha.
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Reply to S. Borodin (was: Antisemitism and Verbitsky)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:07:15 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <1d6p99INN4b9@rodan.UU.NET>, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
> 
> [...]
> Apparently that's why aside of four all-union olympiades diplomas
> (physics, 2 in chemistry, programming) and a pile of regional and zonal
> stuff i got the Prize of Council of Ministries of USSR when i was.
> (Yep, right after finishing the Moscow U -- my then-boss had a lot
> of pleasure when he went and showed the newspaper to Sushko and Potapov --
> i guess everybody from VMK knows those assholes). 

Dear Vadim,

I knew Sushko personally (and not only him, but also his son, who was one of my
best friends), and I'm totally disagree with your position toward him.  He is
one of those, who drastically differed from other representatives of VMiK (like
Kostomarov, Tikhonov etc.) (BTW, my girl friend was Kostomarov's secretary and
I knew a lot of things about all this company from her).

I recall the situation, when Sushko had to leave his position of "zam.Tikhonov"
because of his problems with other "zam's".


> --vadim

Respectfully,

Michael.

P.S. I enjoyed your solution for the problem.  It's really something...
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: More blasphemy /Re: A blasphemy /Re: An end to Culture.SOVIET! [Fwd]
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:54:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov6.175401.17176
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <100777@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.220240.17111@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>>I would be glad if Peter and Sergei could
>>understood that the taste is a personall matter and
>>even if all scs worship Vysotsky, Timur and me have
>>a right on our own opinion.

>I do not worship Vysotsky (since I am not a big fan of poetry in general), I
>simply acknowledge his place in Russian cultural history.

>As for Rosenbaum, I dislike him (note: using a very mild expression here :-)
>because of two things:

>1. In 1987 he was asked something like "What's your opinion on emigration?"
>His reply was "I can have only one attitude towards betraying your country".

>2. His utterly disgusting songs about Afghanistan (plus appearances on TV with
>Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan).

The following was written as a private letter to Sergei, but upon
writing I decided to post it regardless.

----------------------------

Dear Sergei:

You are basically right about Rozen being quite Pamyat'-like,
but in his defense I should add that he is a Jew popular in 
mostly antisemitic circles, like Yulian Semionov. Being
that, he feels a standard antisemitic pressure a lot more than you
and me. He is trying to cope with it, and sometimes gives
up. Anyway, that there is a Jew who is loved by this sort
of people (who are not that bad, just dumb and misguided),
that's great. By demonstrating that Jew can come on terms with Pamyat'
he destroys antisemitic complexes in people's minds. Overall,
while his, and Rutskoi's, likes are supported by nationalist
we (Jews who want to live in Russia) have some hope to live
it out. On the other hand, Vysotsky's conflict with the
Powers was not as big as other's (Galich etc) and for me
his activity stinks of hypocrisy. Especially taken in respect his
reputation of a fighter with regime together with low-key role 
as semi-official singer. And some songs (Zaryadka, Skalolazochka)
were written for official use (TV) and stank as a pit.

Anyway, I would not categorically defend Roz as well as 
denounce Vysotsky. For me, their qualities are relatively
same (Okudzhava, in some regards, too): near-zero level of 
creativity and stinky aura of semi-dissident.

I would like to apologize also for some outbursts 
against you during the gebrils discussion. Sure there were people 
more deserving. You just happened to post in response,
and to post something with typically xSovietic wit.

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: "sergei ilyushin" <sergei.ilyushin@canrem.com>
Subject: gosr
Reply-To: "sergei ilyushin" <sergei.ilyushin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:36:34 EST

Gospoda evrei and ne-evrei. Please drop your borring arguments for a
moment and selebrate your beloved Velikaya Oktyabr'skaya
Socialisticheskaya Revolutsia.
Mr. Moshe Zeleny, it's your holiday more than ours.
Respectfully,
Sergei, The Reader.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: galatin@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Peter Galatin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: <none>
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:45:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov9.114530.17248
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I am a sophomore at (poorly-respected-on-this-net) Harvard U.  I'm a student
in the biochemistry department looking to student/work in the former Soviet
Union next summer or next fall.  Could anyone here tell me the names of
institutes in Russia that deal with biochemistry/computational biology?

Thanks in advance,
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Peter Galatin

Internet: galatin@husc.harvard.edu (during school year)
          galatin-peter@mcastl.fidonet.org (during summer)


Tip of the day: If you don't like the food, marinate the hell out of it!

Robert Plant, FEMINIST: "The soul of a woman was created BELOW....."
__________________________________________________________________________
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Russian Names
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:02:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING ARE JUST THE RANTINGS OF A FRUSTRATED RUSSIAN
MAJOR.

How much does it bother all of you on the net when people mispronounce
Russian names?

I was watching a Boston Bruins hockey game this evening when the
announcers were talking about a player named Dmitri Kvartal'nov.  The
one announcer said this name was difficult for Bostonians to pronounce
and told the other announcer, "You pronouce it well because you can
really roll your 'r' in that European way!"

ARRGH!!!!!  And after all my Russian profs went through to be able to
get me to 'flap' my Russian 'r'!  (And if I hear 'Bawris Yeltsin' one
more time I'm going to scream!)

I bet none of these announcers would EVER try to rhyme souffle with
"COW-full".  Why can't they get Russian right if they can learn French
words?

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."