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From: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU (C Nagappa - behind the scenes)
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Reply-To: nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:45:36 GMT

In article <26JUL199217032359@rosie.uh.edu>, eleea48@rosie.uh.edu (Thomas, Thomas) writes:
>It was a great shock to me to hear the NBC commentator describe India
>during the opening ceremonies as a "poor nation, without synthetic playing
>surfaces".
>I know for a fact that in at least two places(Bangalore and Delhi),there
>are synthetic playing surfaces.
>If commentators of national networks make such obnoxious comments, where
>does this leave us?
>As  the Olympics Opening Ceremonies, is one of the most widely watched
>events,this will surely leave a pathetic image of India in the eyes
>of millions of American viewers. It also goes to show that people still
>regard India as a poor underdeveloped nation.
>I wonder when this will change ?


The West or the rest of the world will not make the change for us. It is we
who have to make the change - become international competitors in various 
fields, including sports. We cannot expect anyone to have a good view of
us if we have not proven ourselves in the world. 

In order to prove ourselves we must first have belief that we can make it. We
must become restless and hardworking and always be on the go. Then maybe in 
1996 they will have something better to say about us!

Chetan Nagappa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: The complete desi eating experience
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:18:28 GMT
Keywords: Food Fight Indian Ishtyle


Be it special oothappam at Paru's (while she was still alive) on
sunset in LA, or the parsi specialities at raga near r'feller center
(or even the hindi speaking thai waiter in portland) deshi eating can
be a culinary experience. allow me (said the Crumpet) to relate a
capital dining experience.

Towards end of February 1991 i was in an Indian restaurant in deecee -
a generically named (Taj?) one near dupont circle. couple of american
friends (R & posslq) were with me - they had made reservations. we
walk in, clamber up the stairs and are seated in the main section.
i look around - assorted junior diplo/attache types - discussing politics.

khana shuru hua. i translate some dishes for the benefit of my
friends.  waiterperson who brings water smiles at me. minor domo takes
order and directs a lady to bring papad and heads kitchenwards. we get
down to brass tacks. soon my friends are reaching for water and
mopping the collective beaded brows.

suddenly..

	"SAAAAALA MA...."
	"$#&%^$#"

i look up. the minor domo's face had puffed up in a major way. he was
screaming obscenities at another waiterperon who was replying in kind.
papad lady was behind w'person trying to restrain him and
water-waiter-person was behind MD pakdaofying a la perry.

	"@#&^$%@&^ $%#*&$#% *#^$# #$%"
	"arey #&$^ #$ #$ #$^#$"

the diplo attaches had folded (their napkins) and leaning back. other
tables paused eating murgi and watched MD and AWP talking turkey.

R pokes me in the r : "what are they saying?"

i look around. other than MD AWP WWP and PL i was the only desi.
so i begin to translate.

	"#$ #$ #$#$^ (*#$ #$ @#% @#"

R and friend blanch. "But that is not possible" R's friend says.
I mention that anatomical impossibilities are not being given due
considerations presently by MD and AWP. 

	"#$^ )@!(#)@#&@#$&  #$#$#$ #$$ # &*#$ #$"

this went on for a few kilobytes.  soon, like in most desi fights they
ran out of phrases. i had mutated to a UN translator and paused only
when R said "but he already said that".  R's friend who has paying
close attention said "no no the first time was in reference to his
sister".

chaku laden maharaj came out and dragged AWP up the side stairs. The
PL tried to drag major domo but MD insisted on inserting a PS 
	"abhey #*$ & #$^& #$ #"

The attaches unfolded napkins, diplos reached to sip lassis and i 
dug further into the bhurtha. 

i asked the WWP 'kya ho raha hai'
WWP said in hindi "you what asking - this daily happens"

R wanted to know if we should tip more - what with entertainment etc.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.korean
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy [part 2]
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:24:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.002814.4533@ecl.psu.edu> l1z@ecl.psu.edu writes:
>
>on food. But does it matter as long as they like? Someone may choose not
>having lunch, but then what? Why should we buy an insurance of high cost
>and of coverages that we do not need?
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^

How do you say that? Do you have enough money in the bank to cover
the cost of any emergency treatment which no doubt would be administered
to you if the situation arises?

>  The fact is that PennState's insurance is excessively high.

Didn't appear so from the figures you posted earlier. Have you compared
it with other insurances and health plans at other schools which indicates
Penn. States plan is excessive?

-h
From: csv25@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Manu C)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info. required
Date: 21 Jul 1992 09:16:12 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:13:57 WET DST


Fellow desis:
	
	Can some very kind person please email me the addresses and 
phone numbers to the following places;

	1. Bajaj Institute of Management
	2. NMIMS
	3. Bombay University
	4. JN University (Delhi)
	5. Univ. of Poona

	Thank you in advance.




******************************************************************************
	Manu Chopra			 Do not say, "It is morning," and
	Barnes, University of Keele     dismiss it with a name of yesterday.
	Staffs.     ST5 5BJ		 See it for the first time as a new
	United Kingdom			born child that has no name.
   email: csv25@seq1.keele.ac.uk                   - Rabindranath Tagore -
******************************************************************************




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Coming soon: American West (was: Olympics Opening Ceremony)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:42:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.231053.979@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>In article <l78kk4INNs6v@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>>
>>
>>"Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom" - excellent choice for mentally depraved
>>punks wanting to know a little more about India. 
>>
>>Samit
>>
>>
>In that regard I suppose that the opinion that most of the netters have about
>the American West is formed by "Sholay," or does that represent the 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>gunslinging days of yore in India?
>
>Ed

Time to educate the natives again!
Hoping and praying for further education on this subject.
(Smithsonian is quite useless, I understand.)
All Indians are ordered to shut their traps.
Hear the master speak.

Sthan.

Damn, where did I put all that Sudden stuff..
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From: narsimha@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Narsimha Polkampally)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Response to NEWS posting
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:48:52 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <1992Jul21.213257.3752@news.uiowa.edu> abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
>|> 
>|>UPI reports:
>
>|I think that everybody on this net has the ability to read the newsgroups and
>|UPI reports without you sending their relays here. I am not quite sure what
>
>        NOT!!!  

	I second that. I too do not have access to UPI newsfeed. Could 
someone tell me how to access UPI newsfeed?


>        Dear Mr. Fazil, I don't have access to UPI news! 
>        And I appreciate Mr. Shankar's effort in posting the news
>        items and I hope he would continue to do so.
>        So don't be so hasty in generalizing, o.k.! 

	I second that too, along with the rest of AD's comments.

Cheers
-P
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: desi@someuniv.edu
Subject: Testing how the poster can be untraceable!
Reply-To: desi@someuniv.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:18:04 GMT

  
 No flames, please. Is it possible now to find the poster?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: swarna@solomon.technet.sg (Swarna Ashok)
Subject: I am a BITSIAN
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:49:46 GMT




	Hi there,
	
	I am Swarna,
	I was in BITS from 1977 to 1982. I did my MSc(Tech) in Comp.Sc.
	I am at Singapore now .
	
	Swarna.
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:23:32 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

In article <1992Jul27.231053.979@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:

>In that regard I suppose that the opinion that most of the netters have about
>the American West is formed by "Sholay," or does that represent the 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>gunslinging days of yore in India?
>

"Sholay" didn't have any american characters. It didn't even have any
westernized Indian characters. It just used some hollywood stunt men to get
better stunt sequences especially of falling horses. Since then, falling
horses have been seen in many Indian movies.

Bandits and Bandit movies have been around in India for a long time. "Mujhe
Jeene Do" was a good one in the 60's. "Mera Gaon Mera Desh" was another
notable one from the early 70's.

Some parts of India still have bandits (or "dacoits"). There is no concept of
ranches or cowboys, though.

Sumitro
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Degrading social and political life.
Keywords: Florence Nightingale without the lamp. (She has to buy one !)
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:44:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Jul23.224405.2257
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <23JUL199217301118@vax2.concordia.ca> debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
> Really !!!! I am amazed to see a Lady Without the Lamp amongst her raped
> gender (women) ! I have proposed the solution as DE-STABILIZING the CPI(M)
> government RIGHT NOW. I see no other alternative !!!! I feel that Cong(I)
> did not rape women on duty (Bantala, May 27 1990) and then burn them to death.

Just De-stabilizing the CPI(M) may be only 
a very small part of the solution. Any other party that 
comes in will probably not change anything. I mean just think, if the 
congress were to be suddenly installed, would they on their own volition
demand an inquiry into the rape. I don't think so. Not until the people 
themselves demand it. I think the rot is setting into the masses and not 
just the govt. If the people were forceful enough in their protests, I am
sure even the CPI(M) could be forced into taking action. The same kind of 
forceful prtoests would be required with any other party that CPI would be 
replaced with. 

regards,
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From: murthy@solomon.technet.sg (K.R.S. Murthy)
Subject: Hello
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:39:37 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana)
Subject: Deb Chatterjee Phenomenon
Organization: ORA Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:34:58 GMT


I have been following a considerable number of postings from
Deb Chatterjee. In the last six years of my unconcerned perusal
of sci postings, I see that Deb Chatterjee's posts in no way
different from many similar ones. In its life time sci has swung 
its drivel from extremist propaganda of the terroristic kin (alias 
naxalites) to some right-wing drivel, interpersed in between with 
the usual liberal drivel.

There is a segment of sci which firmly believes that sci is a forum
for propaganda---more importantly of disinformation. The load on
Justice Bains is the prime example, where in stead of informing
whether justice Bains indeed made a speech (which he has not denied)
and making public the precise contents of his speech, the disinformation 
agents pursue a line of informing selectively and, more importantly,
using his individual case---the case may or may not have merit---
to attack the instruments with which the nation-state protects the
law abiding citizens in the discharge of its constitutional 
responsibility. The attack on the instruments of the state which seeks
to protect the law abiding citizens from the Terrorists is actually
a promotion of terrorism---they may call it the right to conscience
which actually is the the right to conscienceless killing.   

Deb Chatterjee atleast does not cloud his writings with that panache
and carefully archestrated disinformation. Nevertheless the De Chatterjee
phenomenon is discomforting to say the least.

(Note: Whether justice Bains committed the alleged sedition or not
is for the courts to decide. His is but an individual case, as
are cases involving violation of rights of prisoners. Each case
needs to be addressed on the factual grounds of that case and
in pursuit of rendering justice to that individual.)

...kt
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 30 Jul 1992 01:43:39 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <l7e3shINNfm5@alhena.usc.edu>, sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal) writes:
|> >
|> I must have missed the comments about China. The general trend,
|> however, with the media is that it is much less derogatory 
|> towards China than India. 

Really? Anytime a reference is made to India, almost always the emphasis
is first on the fact that India is the world's largest democracy. The stuff
about poor, poverty etc. normally takes a backstage. Of course, that is when
there is a reference to India, which is rare. China, on the other hand, is
always presented as a country in the shadow of Tiananmen Square. Less derogatory?
I think not [of course, China deserves most of its criticism].

|> The point was that we are getting hung up on facts and bean counting
|> when the whole issue is one of rhetoric. The entire thing could have be 
|> said as "It is much more economical for India to use natural turf...."
|> instead of "... India is such a poor country..." The offensive part
|> is that commentator siezed the opportunity (backed by some facts and
|> some half-truths) and made India look extremely bad. He did the same

If we looked bad as a result of someone revealing the truth, it is
probably because that's how the situation is --extremely bad.

You wanted the truth through rosy filters so that these Westerners wouldn't
know that we ARE a poor country. Why? Are we ashamed of admitting that?

|> with several other countries. What Mr. Sunder is talking about is
|> a legal defense for the commentator. What I am talking about is
|> decency and respect on the air waves. 

I detected a lack of neither in the comments made. I fail to see how saying
that India cannot afford enough astro-turf surfaces for our players when that
is indeed the truth shows a lack of respect or decency. He could have passed
comments on the fact that we normally also send in huge contingents of "officials"
to have fun and that the money spent there could be better invested at home.
That might have been a breach of protocol, but not what he did say.
 
|>                                           SSSadhal

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
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From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Do we really have any solution?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:07:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92210.191714RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, 
RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes...
>....... (stuff deleted) ....

 Aside yours and others comments, there is the killer CPI(M) party who have
 been ruling the province with a `red-sword' in their hand.

 I think that you are one of the day-dreamers thinking of Golpark - a place not
 too far from the rape the CPI(M) committed a 1 and 1/2 months ago.

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 15:02:37 MST
From: <AZSSK@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: testing....


Justa test...please ignore....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kasinadhuni@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Information reg.M.S.programme-
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:16:10 GMT

Hai Netters!!!                                                         
                                                                       
        I am curious whether there is any M.S.programme in Satellite 
Communications.If so, could you pl.let me know by sending e-mail to 
me.                                                                    
     Thanks.                                                           
                                                                       
   - Satish.     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri Pavate)
Subject: Re: Amnesty Report on Left Front Govt. in Bengal
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:53:10 GMT

<SXK125@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:


>      The headlines "Amnesty Report on Left Front Govt. in Bengal" was
>in The Times of India; I have just reproduced it.
>      Total number of deaths in police custody is the highest in West
>Bengal in India.
>S. Kumar


	Not true.  Here is a look at the distribution of the 415 
deaths in custody in the AI report by state:

State			No. of deaths

Uttar Pradesh		    61
Bihar			    49
W. Bengal		    43
New Delhi		    37
Andhra Pradesh		    31
Punjab			    28
Jammu and Kashmir	    27
Assam			    22
Maharashtra		    21
Madhya Pradesh		    20
Tamil Nadu/Pondicherry	    20
Manipur			    19
Kerala			    12
Orissa			     6
Rajasthan		     6
Karnataka		     6
Haryana	       		     4
Sikkim			     1

	I counted these figures from the appendix in the AI report
which provides a summary of all the 415 deaths.  However, the above
numbers total to 413.  I'm not sure why the appendix misses 
out two cases.

					Gauri.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: murthy@solomon.technet.sg (K.R.S. Murthy)
Subject: I want to join the net 
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:37:01 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ambati@acsu.buffalo.edu (Balamural K. Ambati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: 13 year old earns degree
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:02:24 GMT
Organization: UB


Pravin Devineni Ratnam writes:

>I can't believe you took my remark so seriously. I did not mean to
>diminish his achievements. I don't think I would be able to do it.  In
>fact, I was impressed wqith the way he did it unlike the other Indian
>version of Doogie Howser in NYC who is reported to have an immature
>attitude at Medical School(he cries when he is unable to finish a lab,
>has no social life at least according to a newspaper).

gopal@tamsun.tamu.edu responds:

>Are you talking about Balamurali Ambati here( ref to NYC medical school).I 
>think he is doing fairly well and I have an occasional article by him on this
>newsgroup.

Assuming that he is talking about me ...

It just goes to prove that you can't believe everything you read in a 
newspaper, even stuff that appears on the New York Times front page.  
For example, Alessandra Stanley, the reporter who interviewed me, misspelled
my name as Balamurati K. Ambati, an error that was propagated throughout
virtually every media outlet that carried the story, despite my corrections.
As for her, shall we say, imaginative quotes about my being "anti-social"
the individuals whom she spoke to profusely apologized to me, insisting
that they said no such things.  For some strange reason, Ms. Stanley did
not include some of my social activities such as writing a book on AIDS,
donating some of the proceeds to flood relief, etc. in Tamilnadu & A.P.,
starting the "Educational Excellence Program" at the Temple in Flushing,
etc.

As a letter to NYT on May 25, 1990 (I think) from 2 professors at Brown
pointed out, many people, including reporters, have preconceived ideas
about "prodigies", and try to mold them into "nerds", "geeks", etc.  Those
of you interested in studies on the lives on "gifted" students can find
a lot of interesting data in the works of Terman, Stanley, Benbow, and others.
Among other observations, the overwhelming majority of these persons go
on to have successful and stable lives.  As a final point, let me mention
that the suicide-rate in this group is far less than that of the general
population, the isolated anecdotes of William Sidis, and a few others,
notwithstanding.

Balamurali K. Ambati
ambati@ubunix.buffalo.edu
From: bhanu@hotwheel.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Repost: PARAM: India's Supercomputer
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:22:59 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Jul25.201248.9638@cbfsb.cb.att.com> gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy) writes:
>
>* I received several requests for this article, hence re-posting.
>No flames please.
>
>Narotham
>
>--------
>
>Does India need supercomputers? Yes, says the government of India. Then

	Lots of good stuff about PARAM deleted.

>They should be more worried about its commercial acceptability in
>India.				Ebrahim Mathew in Bangalore
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just a little correction its Abraham Mathew (Ab is a good ol' friend of mine).

Bhanu G.

Std., Disclaimers apply.
From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: 13-year-old earns degree
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:39:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.seOu=t_00WBMQ8D3FH
	<1992Jul15.190351.1858@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK>
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'd be more impressed if the guy had sex at the age of 7.
From: bala@toasties.ai.mit.edu (Bala Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Restaurants
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:12:38 GMT

Folks,

I have personally experienced and have heard many others (Indians and 
non-Indians alike) remark that food in your average Indian restuarant
is generally floating in a bath of oil. (Does not apply to places in
SF-Bay, New York-NJ or Chicago which are usually much better off.)

Since this excess of oil does not suit my constitution or taste nor 
come close to any definition of healthy food, I have often wondered
why they make it so. 

Recently, one of my friends suggested that the excess oil may be added
as a preservative i.e they "pickle" the food so that it can last a week
or two. Does that work? I mean, can you make baigan-barta or okra curry
last longer by adding tons of oil. Are'nt there "better" (at least less
conspicuous) preservatives? Could someone knowledgeable shed light on the
issue?

	Just curious - Bala