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From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: Big twelve in Europe
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:38:15 GMT


Hi there !

In the newest Kicker-mag they printed a table of the all-time greatest
teams in the European cups. It sorted the teams only for the points
they achieved totally. I added a coeffecient (points div games) and
a position for that and the conclusion is:
FC Liverpool is the best club in Europe of all times - at least the best
of the twelve teams that were in the Kicker. I would like to have the
records of all the other clubs too, so that I can make a regular table.
I would like to have all records for clubs that had at least 50 European
cup appearances (especially for teams like Nottingham Forest, Manchester U.,
AC Torino, Borussia Dortmund to tell you some that are supposed to have a
good record).


Pos  Club                  Games        Goals       Points    Pos   Coeff

1.  Real Madrid             246        529:261     319:173     5    1.297
2.  FC Barcelona            245        481:265     314:176     6    1.282
3.  Juventus Turin          209        374:178     282:136     3    1.349
4.  Bayern Muenchen         182        378:182     246:118     2    1.352
5.  Benfica Lisboa          192        349:185     233:151    10    1.214
6.  RSC Anderlecht          189        355:239     230:148     9    1.217
7.  Inter Milano            180        284:163     216:144    11    1.2
8.  Red Star Belgrad        177        343:235     206:148    12    1.164
9.  FC Liverpool            149        300:115     204:94      1    1.369
10. 1.FC Koeln              159        310:183     197:121     8    1.239
11. Ajax Amsterdam          148        285:140     193:103     4    1.304
12. AC Milan                152        272:147     191:113     7    1.257

Points: all points ever won in any EC (2 for a win, 1 for a draw)

I know that this kind of table does not reflect every aspect of success in
ECs, but IMHO it's near to be perfectly fair.

Bye
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From: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu (Jay M Khodadadi)
Subject: Asia Cup
Reply-To: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:06:09 GMT

Does anyone know the date, place and teams participating in the 10(??)th Asia Cup?

I recall a posting a while back giving a date of late October 1992.


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From: gmcdermo@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (graham.p.mcdermott)
Subject: Re: Rangers//Leeds
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:34:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.020916.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>
......
Much the same kind of nonsense as Neil Orr wrote in another article
see Subject: Rangers vs Leeds/Stuttgart (or something close to that)
......
also see my reply for more biased comment, except biased slightly differently
ie. I'm right, evryone else isnt 8-)
......
>
>Leeds fans please take note that the pubs are open till midnight (allday/
>everyday), don't serve those pishy beers, sell 1/4 gills, kebab shops/
>4-in-1's/boiled hamburger and salmonella  stalls are all open very late 
>and finally, the polis don't take too kindly to neds......Have a nice
>day, anyway. Care to elaborate Dan ?  You are a bit of a tourist information
>specialist.

sob, sniff <gasp>, STOPPIT STOPPIT STOPPIT
your making me homesick........

>
>-- 
>Sandy Mackinnon
>University of Strathclyde               "Just where is Leeds ?"

			It's that place just south of Gretna, and
			just north of Calais somewhere........
>Glasgow
>cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk

Graham McD.
Just south of Gretna and north of Calais.
Definitely NOT north of watford.

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From: cixc0000@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Karyn Nelson)
Subject: Re: Actual team names
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:50:02 GMT

jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez) writes:
: In <9209301102.AA23515@pippin.cs.umu.se> dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
: >Why they are ambigious?
: >Because they have always been called Glasgow Rangers, in many countries.
: >Though, in France they are called Rangers Glasgow :-)
: 
: Actually in France they *are* called Glasgow Rangers.  It is Celtic that is
: called Celtic Glasgow.
: 
: I agree with Scott, though, because all different countries write different
: things for Marseille, like Marseilles, Marsiglia, Marsella, etc.  Too much!
: 
: >Kent
: 
: 
: John
: 
OK once and for all here is the picture:
Rangers were formed in 1873 as Rangers Football Club (RFC).
The word Glasgow does not appear in the name, although Rangers
do play in the Govan district of Glasgow.  Sometimes, as a clarification,
in European competition the club name is given as: Rangers (Glasgow) or
Rangers (Scotland).  I prefer Rangers (Scotland).

Likewise, over at the piggery, Celtic were formed in 1888 as Celtic
Football and Athletic Coy.  The word Glasgow does not appear in their
name either, although you can clarify it by writing Celtic (Glasgow)
or Celtic (Scotland).

Glasgow Rangers makes as much sense as "London Arsenal" or "Roma Lazio"

Please don't do it - it pisses off the fans of these clubs.

McEwan's Lager - serve cold.
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From: Akash Sehgal <as14@cornell.edu>
Subject: Please repost where I can FTP those games from!!
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13: 13:45 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:08:49 GMT

A few days back, someone posted the location of a couple
of soccer simulations
for IBM-compatibles.

I think it was at WUARCHIVE.WUSTL.EDU, but I guess I'm
wrong because I couldn't
find them there.  Could someone please repost (or mail me)
where I can find those
games.

Your help is much appreciated.

Akash
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From: jarp@sabrina.inesc.pt (Jorge Alexandre Ribeiro Pinto)
Subject: Portuguese results
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:29:51 GMT


                        
              PORTUGUESE NEWS

      
  
    RESULTS:


 FARENSE      0     SPORTING     0

 SP. ESPINHO  0     BENFICA      3
                    Ze' Carlos,
                    Joao Pinto,
                    Vitor Paneira

 FAMALICAO    0     F.C. PORTO   3
                    Semedo, 
                    Bino 2

 TIRSENSE     2     GUIMARAES    0
 Rui Manuel,
 Vinicius

 BELENENSES   1     MARITIMO     0
 Luis Gustavo

 ESTORIL      0     G. VICENTE   0

 P. FERREIRA  4     BEIRA-MAR    0
 Jussie' 2
 Rudez
 Monteiro

 SALGUEIROS   1     CHAVES       1
 Pedro Miguel       Karoglan

 SP. BRAGA    2     BOAVISTA     1
 Forbs,             Tavares
 Secreta'rio      

                     

               TABLE :

         Team                  Pts

      F.C. PORTO................9
      Belenenses................8
      Benfica...................7 (-1)
      Maritimo..................7
      Boavista..................7
      Sporting..................7
      Farense...................6
      Tirsense..................6
      Sp. Espinho...............6
      Guimaraes.................6
      Sp. Braga.................6
      Estoril...................6
      Salgueiros................6
      Gil Vicente...............5
      P. Ferreira...............4 (-1)
      Famalicao.................4
      Chaves....................3
      Beira-Mar.................3


         NEXT ROUND :

              Estoril - Belenenses
              Maritimo - P. Ferreira
              Beira-Mar - Tirsense
              Guimaraes - Salgueiros
              Chaves - Famalicao
              Porto - Sp. Braga
              Boavista - Espinho
              Benfica - Farense
              Gil Vicente - Sporting




      
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Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 15:25:46 CET
From: <SHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    Souness The Great Saten Vol 2

So the Liverpool board gave Graham Sourface a vote of confidence,that sounds
like Graham Soonoff will be getting the sack in the next two weeks.Ha Ha Graham
Somemess better find your next team who of course will be"The biggest club in
Britain".So sad for the "man with the pinned back lugs".
So Graham Penis prepare yourself for an occurance that you are all to familiar
with its RED CARD time!
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From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re: MY BELOVED *STILL* REIGNS
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 09:41:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.142710.13040@phillip.edu.au>, t8914229@phillip.edu.au
writes:
> all the bloody fuss about MY BELOVED LIVERPOOL drawing with chesterfield.
> what about everton losing to rotherham???????  what about united only
> managing a draw against brighton?????  what about arsenal only managing
> a draw against milwall???????
> 
> sack george graham, ferguson and colin harvey.
> 

I think it might be a bit late to sack Colin Harvey. However badly Everton
have played since the return of Howard Kendall (choose any from average,
pathetic, Liverpool-like), at least he's not had the vision and forsight to
turn a great team into a shadow of it's former self :-)

Anyway do you really expect us to start making a lot of noise when we lose?

Regards,


Chris
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From: pakuin@cs.vu.nl (Kuin PA)
Subject: Drawing dutch teams in EC
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:18:11 GMT

EC 1:
A.E.K.Athens		-P.S.V.

EC 2:
Luzern			-Feyenoord

EC 3:
Vitesse			-KV Mechelen
Vitoria Guimaraes	-Ajax

Peter Kuin.


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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Soccer Videos
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:50:12 GMT

In article <BvD1Ds.Bxy@scd.hp.com> dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino) writes:
>
>I have purchased the Mexico '70, '86; Brazil 58-62-70; Germany '74; and
>the Italia '90 highlight tapes.  Of these the best is Italia '90 as far
>as entertainment and quality (surprising because the tournament itself
>IMHO was not that great) probably due to editing :-).  I also enjoyed the
>Brazil tape, mostly from an historical persepective.  The Mexico '70 tape
>is weak in presentation (they follow a small child's perspective of the 
>action) but the games and goals are as you know spectacular. Germany '74 and
>Mexico '86 are weak IMHO.  I have heard that a tape of the Spain '82 tourny
>is available under the name of Gole'.  Any one else have info on this?  I
>don't believe Trace has the rights to this as I have never seen it in their
>catalog.  I have never seen any info on an Argentina '78 tape.
>
The '82 tape is indeed called "Gole'". Amusingly, it's got a PG
(Parental Guidance) label in the U.S., presumably because the
producers included about 5-seconds worth of topless sunbathers on the
video...

Apparently, an official tape of '78 was never released due to a contractual
dispute between several parties over its ownership. 

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

Wait! Come back! There's part of my face you haven't stepped on yet....
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From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Organization: ISA GmbH, W-7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:08:51 GMT

CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes:
>I am afraid that
>the US press *has* to have *ONE* star that they can identify as a hero

I'm afraid so, too.

>in order to even think about covering a sport. As you well know, football
>is not a sport in which one person can carry a team as in basketball.

Well, even here next to nobody talked about anybody else than Maradona
during and after the 86 WC.  Then again, only Newsweek then actually
put him on the title.

>If that happens, I am guessing the candidates will be
>John Harkes (Sheffield Wednesday), Tab Ramos (Real Betis), Roy
>Wegerle (Blackburn Rovers), Thomas Dooley (Kaiserslautern) or Eric
>Wynalda (FC Saarbru"cken).

Wynalda had another goal yesterday against Koeln, BTW.  His tally for
the season is now at six.  Even if some paper in the US could convey
the importance of a player who scores six in thirteen (?) games, I
still don't think that they could turn him into a "star" like Joe
Montana or Michael Jordan.  I'm rather afraid that the 94 cup will
pass rather unnoticed.  Although I'd be happy of course to be proven
wrong in the event.

Christian

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How many hairs does it take to lick an elephant?  Two - one to bore the
strawberry, and one to skate.
From: paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Re:Souness Gets Vote
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:06:20 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <00961660.A7ACF580.26348@matai.vuw.ac.nz>, mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:
> 
> Maybe as an outsider Mark Lawrenson although his foray into the management side
> of things wasn't too successful if I recall (but Brian Horton did well after
> taking over).
> 

Mark Lawrenson resigned as manager at Oxford on a matter of principle - on
being told by his Chairman (son of Maxwell) that he was selling Deano to Derby
(Chairman - the big man himself).  Horton, Lawrenson's assistant, did not let
principles worry him (but then again he had a family to support).

Horton 'did well' - now there's a laugh. Who calls hanging on to a place in the
second division in the last game of the season 'doing well'. Liverpool could
bring a lot of pleasure to the people of Oxford by appointing Horton.

I still suspect that the enormous compensation they'd have to fork out to get
rid of Souness will keep him there longer than he should be allowed to remain.
After all, it cost them a fair bit by way of compensation to Rangers when he
joined them if I remember rightly.

Paul
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From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: Argentine results - week 8
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:49:35 GMT


Ferro  0           Boca  0        (saturday)
Estudiantes  0     Talleres  2    (saturday)
Argentinos  1      San Lorenzo  1
Huracan  0         River  2
Velez  2           NOB  0
Belgrano  2        Gimnasia  0
San Mertin  1      Racing  0
Espan~ol  0        Platense  0
Independiente  1   Mandiyu  1
Rosario  2         Lanus  0

Points
Boca Juniors	12
River Plate	11
Huracan		 9
etc...

  Santiago Newbery  <<<<>>>>  newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu
	NCAR / Atmospheric Technology Div. / SSSF
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From: gmcdermo@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (graham.p.mcdermott)
Subject: Re: Rangers v Leeds/Stuttgart
Keywords: Ibrox cauldron
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.193635.13018@cbfsb.cb.att.com> norr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil.orr) writes:
>
>
>The English media have so far shown surprising restraint in
>anticipating the visit of Leeds United to Ibrox Stadium in
>Glasgow in the next round of the European Cup.

Yes I thought that was rather surprising too.......

>
>If Leeds do manage to slide past the challenge of the German 
>champions, it isn't difficult to predict that the media will
>revert to old habits and talk the Yorkshire club into the 
>next round before a ball has been kicked against Rangers.
>
>They would be rather foolish to do this but with their ostrich-
>like view of football north of Hadrian's Wall, Jimmy Hill et al
>will overlook the fact that man for man, Rangers have a better
>team.

A rather dangerous comment, Neil, possibly a little ostrich-like yourself there?
I also think that the thin blue veil over your head does you no good either,
no matter how fetching it looks. 8-)

>
>It will be interesting to see how much change Chapman gets out
>of Richard Gough and how will Chris White cope with the aerial 
>power of Mark Hateley ? In midfield, Ian Durrant, Alexei
>Michailichenko (sp ?) and Trevor Steven against the plodding 
>David Batty and the creaking Gordon Strachan.

Creaking Gordon Strachan??????
I take it you did not see him on television during the Home leg of
the Euro Cup last week? Outstanding was one word I would use.
He has also, I hear, been putting in some good performances during the
League matches he has been in. Granted, he is fairly old, but
don't judge a book and all that....
You also seem to forget McAllister and Speed, both players who played well
on the day. If Leeds play even remotely like they did against Stuttgart
at home, then Rangers will have a very tough match indeed.


>
>The only prospect that is remotely worrying is that of Dave
>"The Giraffe" McPherson man-to-man marking the volatile Eric 
>Cantona.


I wouldn't worry about it, he won't cope and thats that. Simple
and straightforward.

>
>Most football supporters in England will have trouble naming
>more than 3 or 4 Rangers players but that won't stop them
>writing off Rangers, will it ? 

Weren't they that team managed by Souness? 8-)

>
>I'm praying not just for a Rangers victory but a Leeds humiliation.

I think a prayer would be required for that.........
In fact a full blown miracle would be in order.

>
>Neil Orr
>
>(if the game is televised live on BBC I sincerely hope that Barry
>Davies is not commentating - I hate his patronising style).


Graham McD.

ps. Stop posting articles like this, it doesn't half get my loyalties mixed-up
a- You mention Rangers
b- You talk about a Scottish team Vs an English one.

Excuse me, but I'm off to gnaw my right leg off, in a feeble attempt to resolve 
this conflict..........
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Subject: Re: Any Israeli results?
From: ioffe@chen.bgu.ac.il (Alex Ioffe)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:04:07 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

ds7n+@andrew.cmu.edu ("David D. Schwartz") writes:
:
: Does have any results of games played by Israeli clubs?
:
: Also, has the Israeli national team played yet . . . against any of
: their European counterparts in their group?
:
: -Dave
:

Nope. Israeli national team still hasn't played in the group.

Championship position:(After 4 rounds)

1. Beitar(Jerusalem)   11pts
2. Maccabi(Tel-Aviv)   10pts
3. Maccabi(Petakh-Tikva) 9pts
4. Bnei Iheda(tel-Aviv)  9 pts
Sorry, but don't remember others.:(
Nick.
From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
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Subject: Re: Leeds & Stuttgart
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:30:15
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   Leeds fielded 4 players from foreign countries. But with the new ruling
   in Europe allowing "assimilated" players, one of these players being 
   Gary Speed does not count as a "foreigner". Therefore Leeds actually only
   fielded 3 "foreigners".

   It is also my belief that it does not matter that Stuttgart actually put
   4 foreigners onto the pitch. I think you'll find that it is against the rules
   to have more than 3 foreigners in the squad, never mind on the pitch.

   This being the case Stuttgart were breaking the rules from the first minute
   never mind the 80th.

   Tom.



What means 'assimilated' in that respect. BTW Stuttgart's Adrian Knup
comes from Switzerland and they partly speak german .... :-).
Maybe because it happened in the last minutes of the match without the
intention to cheat and due to the fact that Stuttgart's manager Dieter
Hoeness made the 'problem' public to UEFA on thursday morning, the
decision will be a third match in a neutral country. Decision
tomorrow.

Chris

 





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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Palo Alto soccer
Date: 29 Sep 1992 17:14:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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To any of the South Bay r.s.s.ers:
My brother lives in Palo Alto and is looking for an over-30
mens' team.  If anyone knows of any teams looking for players
or league contacts, please let me know. 

Thanks a ton,

Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu

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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Belgian teams in European competitions
Originator: collins@snake
Organization: Philips Research Labs (Nat.Lab), Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:46:43 GMT

I have received a few requests via e-mail for the draws of the Belgian teams
in Europe so here they are:

Club Brugge   -- Austria Wien
Admira Wacker -- Antwerp
Vitesse       -- KV Mechelen
Anderlecht    -- Dinamo Kiev
Hearts        -- Standard Luik

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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Actual team names
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:13:16 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

michaelt@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Michael Tipping) writes:


>Hmmm, until this recent discussion I thought that "Rangers" real name
>was "The Forces of Darkness". That's what most people I met called them
>anyway..............amongst other things.

what, ilke 'the huns' ?
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