From: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (jim mcnicholas)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.dads-right
Subject: Re: The EVIL Conspiracy behind this "Men's Choice" thing...
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 08:44:47 CST
Reply-To: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (jim mcnicholas)
Organization: Prime Time Productions Aurora, Illinois

rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston) writes:

> In article <1992Dec27.183413.8950@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.g
> >peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
> >>gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
> >>>Now, "what about the child"?  Well, since the woman in this scenario has
> >>>opted to keep the fetus and have children against the man's wishes she
> >>>should be completely responble for all financial needs.
> >
> >>Why?
> >
> >Why...because the decision to keep the baby was HERS, and HERS ALONE.  This
> >comes in large part thanks to this "Women's Choice thing," and we are only
> >calling for men to have a similar freedom of choice during pregnancy.
> >
> >Indeed, if he had already expressed the desire not to be a parent, then
> >there is *no* reason why he should be bound by a decision that is HERS AND
> >HERS ALONE.  If she still decides to have the child, in spite of knowing
> >full well that he doesn't wish to be involved in his/her life, then why
> >should he be held liable for a decision in which he had no part?
> >
> >---
> >Will Steeves, goid@zooid.guild.org                      "Neil Hull is GOiD"
> >ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids            "GOiDS Rule"
> >(416) 322-7876
> >
> >"Gravity: It's more than just a fragrance.  It's the LAW!"
> >   - Will Steeves, President, GOiDS "R" We, Inc.
> >
> > * SLMR 2.1a * If your mind goes blank, remember to turn off the sound.
> 
> First of all, the man DID have a choice. He could have not had sex.
> He could have properly used a condom and spermacide. Key word here is  
> PROPERLY. This would reduce the chances of pregnancy to about once
> in a couple of hundred years.
 
I shall respond in a non-flammable way!! First you are correct the man 
and woman BOTH had a choice before the conception, she could have used
norplants or taken her pill, or have insisted upon spermicide and condoms.
Proper use is only assured by both parties being vigilant during use!!
After conception both parties should have the choice to give up the child!
This is a choice that is as hard for a man as it is for a woman! I can't
imagine the trauma of giving up a child that is mine, but I should have 
the choice!!  Equality means equal choices, before during and after 
conception

> Secondly, the mans payments are quite proportionate to the level of 
> his choice involved. Let us suppose that the mother spends 40 hours a 
> week raising her child. Let us suppose she deserves a decent salary for 
> such work,20 dollars an hour. She will spend several thousand dollars
> a year on material items for the child. All told, perhaps $40,000 worth
> of goods and labor each year go into raising the child. At a few hundred
> a month, the fathers burden can hardly be called disproportionate.

I don't know where you got the idea of a few hundred a month, perhaps that
would be your contribution, some are much higher! My ex-%$#@! lives on what
I give in child support and sponges off the system for all of the other 
things the system can give her, this really sucks!
She has 3 kids and she doesn't let me see them except when I give her extra
money!  I have called attorneys and they've told me much the same thing 
they'll be glad to help me out for $$$$. If I had money I'd pay to see 
my kids, (I PAY REGULAR SUPPORT, SHE WANTS MORE)!!

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