HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Electronic Town Hall and Drug Searches (was Perot for President)
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:42:46 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

tdawson@wheaton.edu (Anthony Palmer Dawson) writes:
>The obvious response to these arguments of "privacy invasion/property 
>destruction" is couched in my original post.  How many Americans do you think 
>would vote for the kind of searches you propose?  Not many.

Certainly they would.  For instance, it's not going to happen where I
live, a nice middle class residential area, it's going to happen in SE
San Diego, were most of that activity takes place.  If I thought drugs
were evil and Government was My Friend, I could vote for it without
any consequences for me whatsoever.

-- 
The weather at home improves as soon as you go away.  -- Gomme
From: sheneman@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Jerry Sheneman)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:32:10 GMT
Subject: Iran Hostage Rescue / Perot
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc

Does anyone know the title of the movie that was made about the
hostage rescue mission to Iran that was organized by Perot?
Was a book also written about this or just a movie?

Thanks,
Jerry S.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: bjmccall@cco.caltech.edu (Benjamin John McCall)
Subject: PEROT mailing list!!!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:45:10 GMT

Announcing the availability of a mailing list for issues pertaining to
the candidacy of H. Ross Perot for President.

Views in support of and in opposition to Perot are encouraged, as is any
information about Perot (transcripts, etc.).

To subscribe, send mail to bjmccall@ugcs.caltech.edu with the word
SUBSCRIBE in the Subject: line.  To post, send mail to the same address
with the word POST in the Subject: line.

In addition, an ftp site now contains files pertinent to Perot.  The host
is cco.caltech.edu in directory /pub/bjmccall/Perot.  For help on how
to use ftp, finger ftp@ooo.caltech.edu.  If you do not have ftp access,
send mail to bjmccall@ugcs.caltech.edu with the words FILE REQUEST in the
Subject: line.

If you have any questions, feel free to mail me - I only ask that you
put the word QUESTION in your Subject: line.

Ben McCall
bjmccall@ugcs.caltech.edu
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From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Airline Deregulation
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:47:03 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.hac.com (George Tucker)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Apr14.022555.6871@Princeton.EDU> jmo@courant.princeton.edu (Mike Orszag) writes:
>One comment that I would make is that in the interests of
>promoting competition, all frequent flyer programs should be
>outlawed. This sort of re-regulation is justifiable in that
>frequent flyer programs represent a large barrier to entry.

I totally agree.  And for the same reason discounts from cover price
for yearly subscriptions to magazines should be prohibited.  And 
a large package of potato chips should cost the same per pound as a
small package.  And bundling of add-ons and software in computer 
systems should be prohibited even though IBM is no longer a monopoly.
Government, hallowed be thy name, protect us from discounts.
  
>One additional point worth emphasizing is that the hub
>system gives carriers virtual monopoly powers on direct flights
>around their hubs, so that some degree of limited re-regulation
>on a local level on flights originating from hubs might be
>justified to make sure the market works properly; alternatively,
>landing slot rights could be made temporary or limited to a
>maximum per carrier under the antitrust laws.

Yes, it is just outrageous that fares are so low.  Bad for
competition.  Let's regulate so they can be brought back to their
proper level.  It is essential that we destroy the market in order
to save it.  Of course this reregulation could be made temporary.

(If it ain't broke, don't fix it.)


	George Tucker        tucker@kali.hac.com
		Just say NO to incumbents.
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Actors for Presidents unlimited (was Re: Acting!!! "Government ...")
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:03:21 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Apr12.152220.30984@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>>   "Reagan Was Right: Government Is the Problem"
>>>   by Charlton Heston
>>
>>	Great another actor who thinks he knows how to fix the gov't! Who's
>>next? Tom Sellack?!?
>
>Has Ahnold Schwarzenegger expressed any political ambitions?
>He is a Kennedy, and is on the Bush Council of Exercise,
>or somesuch.

I think I read an article describing him as some sort of an
acquintance to Bush and doing campaign support for Bush (or was it
Reagan?  this was probably at the last elections or something).  The
article noted that Arnold can't become a president, because he's not
born-in-USA.  Already when seeing the headline I was thinking that he
would be a natural president to continue the line after Reagan,
probably would be better as at least he has managed it better than
Reagan on the silver screen.

What does "a Kennedy" mean, btw?

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: What keeps me from being Lib.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:25:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.171218.21678@cs.ucla.edu>,
frazier@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Frazier) writes:
>Seriously, libertarians and Libertarians do apply huge amounts of
>logic and reasoning in creating their model society, and I agree
>with many of their points.  My major problems are how they propose
>to get from here to there and how far down that path they want to
>go.

Greg,

When you get right down to it it doesn't really matter at this point
how we'd like to get from here to there or how far we'd like to go.
Before any of that is relevant we have to ask what's going to set
us on the road in that direction.  If Libertarians could elect a
majority in some legislative body you concerns would certainly be
relevant, but at this point we're just talking about getting *some*
Libertarians elected.  Under those circumstance what Libertarians
will be able to accomplish will be to nibble away at those thing
they oppose any place they can build a coalition to do that.  The
most major advantage is that an elected Libertarian has a much
better platform to explain the ideas and attempt to win over others
than someone limited to running for office.

Remember that the goal of Libertarians is not to get elected but to
live in a libertarian society.  Ultimately that can happen only if
the vast majority of people become convinced of the validity of
Libertarian principles.  By it's very nature libertarianism is *not*
something that can be imposed, even democratically imposed.  To
work, people must believe that it works as well.

>Greg Frazier    frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU     !{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier

/June

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From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:23:42 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Mar23.221647.901@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lje@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (lisa.j.elser) writes:
>In article <w265HB9w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

[dribble]

>For that matter, I can leave chili
>on the counter and create life--albeit not HUMAN life :-)

I'll wager that if your bowl of chili gets net access, it's
articles will have a one up on djk.



     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.
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From: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,misc.taxes,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: What keeps me from being Lib. (was Re: FW: news release:
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:46:46 GMT
    <1992Apr9.225400.17519@vexcel.com>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 2791

In article <1992Apr9.225400.17519@vexcel.com>, dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:
|In article <1992Apr9.201416.2566@unx.sas.com> sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden) writes:
|>This is a repost.  Something munged the subject line of my last attempt
|>
|>In article <1992Apr9.030711.8953@athena.mit.edu>, solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
|>|In article <1992Apr8.233514.28115@cs.ucla.edu>, frazier@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Frazier) writes:
|>|
|>                          * * *
|>
|>Notice the difference between my questions and Dean's: Dean is
|>concerned with establishing cause and effect, so as to prove that a
|>single large polluter with a smoking chimney has injured some number
|>of people.  I'm postulating the proof of cause and effect, and asking
|>instead what happens when the polluters are obvious, and everywhere,
|>but each individual's contribution to the pollution is relatively small.
|>
|>                          * * *
|>
|>--
|>--Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
|>        Hellenic poet of the same name.  |
|
|Laws can only be used to enforce behavior that is widely accepted among
|those to whom the laws apply.  That is why prohibition laws don't work
|and murder laws do (though this is becoming less true in some areas).
|I think it would be great if those who choose not to live a polluting
|lifestyle could sue those who do but it won't work until people widely
|and generally accept pollution as harm.  Our society is in transition
|to this belief since major polluters that destroy groundwater and such
|can be not only sued, but charged with a criminal violation.  There is
|a big difference between civil suits and criminal actions.  When all
|pollution violations are subject to criminal law and cost benefit
|analyses of pollution are seen as making as much sense as cost benefit
|analyses for burglars, then the important step towards a clean economy
|will have been made.  But it can't start with the laws, it has to start
|with the people.  This is a fundamental of the radical Greens (as
|opposed to everyone and their brother who claims to be "green").
|
|Just as some of the Libs here have trouble explaining the difference between
|short and long term goals to new readers, Greens have the same problem
|in explaining these differences.  We are about as close to charging a
|wasteful car driver with a crime as we are to abolishing taxes.
|--
|
|               dingo in boulder        (dean@vexcel.com)

True.  In the meantime, however, do you have a problem with telling
manufacturers they can't manufacture, and importers they can't import,
cars that pollute above a certain level?
-- 
--Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
        Hellenic poet of the same name.  |
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: Libertarian 'rights' (Re: Ross Perot)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:27:08 GMT

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From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,misc.taxes,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: What keeps me from being Lib. (was Re: FW: news release: abolish IRS)
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:33:27 GMT
	<RJC.92Apr11014111@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk>
	<DRG.92Apr13133043@bubba.ma30.bull.com>
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <DRG.92Apr13133043@bubba.ma30.bull.com>, Daniel R Guilderson (drg) writes:

drg> I am not aware of any laws which require citizens to breath.

There are however laws which ensure that a parent allows their
children to breath.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
					 |<
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From: davidch@ZIMMER.CSUFRESNO.EDU (David Choweller)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Jesus_in_Islam( was RE: After life)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:48:10 GMT

Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Jesus_in_Islam( was RE: After life)
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Organization: California State University, Fresno
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In article <1992Apr10.213403.14297@news.iastate.edu> tnap1@isuevax.iastate.edu writes:
|
|The following are quotes from the Qur`an and then a short explaination about
|the true nature of Jesus Christ. I have taken these quotes from the Yusef
|Ali translation of the Qur`an.
|
| ******	The Jews call `Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the
|Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) They but imitate what
|the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|deluded away from the Truth.
|	They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in
|derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; Yet
|they were commanded to worship but One God: There is no god but He. Praise and
|glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with him).
|	Fain would they extinguish God's Light with their mouths, but God will
|not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers
|may detest (it).

[rest deleted]

It amuses me when theists start quibbling about little details in the
fairy-tales they believe in.  I mean, what does it matter whether someone
is the son of God, or not, or whether one worships one God, a trinity,
or an idol?  If they believe that piddly little details like this 
determine whether one gets sent to heaven or not, this just shows how
silly these religions are.  
--
                                                 davidch@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU
Far away across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells.
                -- "Time," Pink Floyd
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From: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com (Hal Berenson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,misc.taxes,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Employee vs. Employer rights (was Re: What keeps me from being Lib.)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:46:20 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1725@nic.cerf.net>, wirthc@portnoy.sdsc.edu (Colleen Wirth) writes...

>Also, a company which chooses to employ only white anglo-saxon protestant
>heterosexual non-smoking non-drinking males, is going to turn off a lot of 
>people--including those who meet the criteria. Would you want to work for a 
>company like that?

Just wanted to point out that you have perfectly described H. Ross
Perot's EDS :-)

.............................................................................

Hal Berenson	

Home: 71640.3535@compuserve.com
Work: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com

-- Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are my own, not my employer's! If
I happen to communicate with you from work rather than home, its just
for convenience (just like asking for a "daytime phone number") and should
not be construed as representing the views of my employer or its
employees, officers, directors, or stockholders. --
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,misc.taxes,alt.society.civil-liberty
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: What keeps me from being Lib. (was Re: FW: news release: abolish IRS)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:07:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.233514.28115@cs.ucla.edu>, frazier@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Frazier) writes:

|> WRONG!  Wrong, wrong, wrong.  At lease, IMHO - I have as little data
|> as you on this point, but people don't have the attention span to
|> adequately punish a polluting company.  I mean, let's say the
|> NYT does a piece on a clothing manufacturer that is polluting.  It

NO! NO! NO! It's not just a matter of boycotting. You sue. If a clothing
manufacturer has dumped chemicals into a body of water, the people who have
propert bordering that water can sue for the devaluation of that property, the
people who work around that river can sue for being made uncomfortable by the
pollution, and hundreds of others sue. When a company pollutes, they effect so
many people, that a single suit could bankrupt them. Without limitation of
corporate liability, this means that all of the owners are going to lose all of
their belongings, their homes, and be put out on the street if they can't cover
the damages. THIS DETERS PEOPLE.

|> You show that they're damaging your property by going to court.
|> That's suing.  You go, *prove* that they're damaging your
|> property and *prove* that you are owed such-and-such damages.
|> That's how it is now - and it's tough to do, when you (an
|> individual) are facing a high-powered corporate law team.
|> Good luck.

Individual? With millions or more often billions of dollars at stake, and lawyers
who get 20-30% of damages, lawyers in polluted areas will be BEGGING the
residents to let them file a suit for them. How many lawyers do YOU know that
would pass up that kind of money.
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From: jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Airline Deregulation
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:18:39 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Moore Capital Management, Inc. NYC

Ted Frank <thf2@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:

	The degree to which the current airlines show profits seem to
	indicate that there's very little extraction of monopoly rents
	going on.

In fact, it (hub/spoke) probably helps improve service.  Service to
certain cities might go away without help from the hub.  More
destinations are served by regular air service today than 10 years
ago.

/jordan
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From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:17:10 GMT
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:

> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
> 
> > mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
> > > And there's nothing you can do about it.  Neener neener.
> > > 
> > 
> > Sure there is. Plant a flower for each hunted looking little
> > child I see being drug around like a prize puppy dog by some
> > swaggering snorting 'queer lady'.
> 
> A bare garden, indeed, since you have never seen any such thing, and
> never will.

Yes I have. Several times. Kid was being treated like a g-d damn
puppy dog and the 'husband' (a big fat ugly thing with a screwed
up face who acted macho and antagonistic towards males) was
the best argument for 'homophobia' I've ever seen.

> > To inflict that life on someone who has no choice is a crime
> > against humanity.
> 
> Boo hoo.  I find it increasingly difficult to take you seriously, D.K.
> (hint, hint)
> 

I could care less. I have never taken you seriously. :-)

-djk


--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns,alt.individualism
From: pciszek@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Get Back on Welfare Where You Belong!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 05:57:27 GMT

Not to defend lawyers or regulation or anything, but other "mainstream"
beauty parlors do mess with piercing and toxic chemicals, so I can see
why the department of health, not to mention the EPA, might want to keep
tabs on them.

This just in... Tammy Baker's hair has just been designated a Superfund
cleanup site...

--
Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | Saddam Hussein still has a job; do you?
From: mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Is voting anonymous?
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:31:51 GMT
Reply-To: mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University - Univ. Computing Services

Rinat Kedem writes
>
>Is voting supposed to be anonymous? 

I don't believe there's a requirement that it be anonymous. There was a case  
some time back in which a judge compelled a couple voters to reveal how they  
voted in a close and disputed election.

Anonymity is a habit in most places rather than a legal requirement.

--
Don McGregor             | California danger signs: you own more pairs of 
mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu| shorts than you do long pants.
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: FAQ - Child Molesting
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:05:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <Apr.8.01.31.14.1992.2123@turbo.bio.net>, shibumi@turbo.bio.net (Kenton A. Hoover) writes:
> From Groth, A. N. "Men who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender", Plenum Press,
> 1979
> 
> (these stats are created from a study of 148 convicted paedophiles at the
> Connecticut Correctional Institution)
> 
> Of those who were attracted to both adults and
> children, most were heterosexual, the remainder being bisexual.  Child molesters
> are more likely to be heterosexual than homosexual.

> | Kenton A. Hoover                                 |                          |

This is hardly surprising, since heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals
by 10:1 or 50:1, depending on whose numbers you believe for the
number of homosexuals in the population.

What percentage of those 148 convicted pedophiles were heterosexuals?
If it's less than 90%, there are some serious questions to be asked
why homosexuals are overrepresented.  (I will agree that this may
reflect disproportionate prosecution or imprisonment).
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a
favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace
of God." -- Thomas Jefferson