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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:27:40 GMT
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Robert Swan (roberts@g2syd.genasys.com.au) wrote:
: >
: >Robert, you must be confusing me with somebody else.  I never said that
: >"application uniqueness" is any sort of advantage.  I did talk about
: >support for modern applications, which is quite different from "application
: >uniqueness", but it might be a little too subtle for you.
:
: Ahem.... permit me to quote from a little discussion you were having
: with Gregory Block:
:
: !Once again, Greg, you fail to grasp the meaning of the words you read.
: !I'm not using applications to justify the OS.  I'm saying that Windows
: !has the functionality to support applications the likes of which you
:                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: !can't get anywhere else.  This functionality includes complete device
:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: !independence and communications protocols such as OLE.
:
: If those aren't unique applications you're talking about, we must have
: different definitions of unique.  You're trying to use these
: applications to justify the OS.  Wriggle and squirm all you like, but
: you did it.
:

Read it again, Robert -- the whole thing, not just the part you underlined.
What I'm pointing out as a Windows advantage is the functionality it has for
supporting great applications -- functionality such as device independence
and OLE, not the great applications themselves.  If you just let the brain
catch up with the "F" finger, perhaps we could have avoided this.

:
: Robert.
:
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:33:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.215446.8300@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Michael Cianflone (mike@struad.cts.com) wrote:
>:
>: [Discussion about goto's]
>:
>:   Jerry, you'll never admit you're wrong, will you? You think you can BS your
>: way through the person you're posting to. But you have to realize, it's not
>: you against one person... It's you against the whole net. (by "you" I mean you
>: in general, not specifically you). So it's one person's background and
>: education against the WHOLE net's background and education. One person posts
>: but there are hundreds/thousands of people reading that will have more
>: knowledge of 1 thing in your posts. And someone else will have more knowledge
>: of 1 other thing in your post, etc. And that person that is educated more
>: in their respective field will point out the mistake. And the other person
>: that is more educated in their respective field will point out another
>: mistake, etc.
>:   So unless you really know what you're talkig about, or only speak of that
>: which thou knowest, you will get told you're wrong by someone who has been
>: working in that field since before you were born.
>:   But no, Jerry will continue to tell *every* person that corrects him, that
>: they are wrong, thinking that he can BS each single person.
>:
>
>OK, Michael, this is beginning to piss me off.  If you're going to accuse me
>like this, provide some proof.

Awwwwww, whatsa matter?  You having a bad day?  Poor thing...

>It's getting ridiculous.  Your paranoia is causing you to read more out of my
>articles than I put in.  Throughout this whole "goto" discussion, people with
>extreme cases of selective comprehension impairment have been trying to prove
>my own statement to me, providing K&R quotes, etc., and then demanding that I
>admit to having been wrong.  What was I wrong about?!

If you're such a fucking genius, you tell us.  Why do you bother with all
of us mere mortals who in our extreme stupidity bought an Amiga instead
of a Clone penis extender?  Do us all a favor and GOTO away.

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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re:  RISC Amiga?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:30:52 GMT

 weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner) writes:
>
>And mine is not with Motorola but still the 060 is coming and its the last
>680x0 product we will be doing for the Amiga.
>

    Hmmm... does that imply that you'll be doing some non-680x0 accelerators
for the Amiga? :-)



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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:54:07 GMT

In article <93024.135209MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.101614.14124@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, zarthac@bradley.edu
>>The fact that global warming, aka the "greenhouse effect" doesn't exist/is not
>>happening notwithstanding...
>
>The fact is that it is NOT a "fact" that global warming does not exist.
>Global warming is still being debated. There is some evidence for it and
>a method by which it may be happening, but not enough evidence to really
>prove it. YET.

	There is evidence that also suggests that it may be global warming,
ad it may be a cyclic cycle natural to Earth, such as how the number of 
solar flares every year is in a cyclic steady climb.

	And if I remeber correctly the average temperature on Earth has
risen in the past year by at least .5 degrees F or 1 degree Celsius.

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From: xero@cislabs.pitt.edu (George J. Karabin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000/EC030 confirmed
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:22:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh [CIS]

I can't really agree with you on this, Marc. Sure, a pizza box that
costs less than an EC030 A4000, with a detached keyboard would be nice, but
what would it actually be? It would be an EC030 A4000, minus the video slot
and the Zorro III slots... Not much cost savings there, I don't think. So,
instead of wasting money on gearing up a new production line to build this
beastie, it would just be cheaper for C= to leave this "gap" in place.

Of course, it would be nice if C= could cut the price on the A4000 enough
so that a machine like this WOULD make a significant cost reduction. But,
as we all know, the market just isn't there for it. We can argue that this
is, of course, due to C='s incompetency, and you'd of course be right.
However, it's time to forget about the past, and worry about the C= that
we have right now. All things considered, I don't think they're doing all
that horrible of a job. This, I guess, is a matter of opinion, so let's not
get into that argument either.

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From: cmp0119@sys.uea.ac.uk (Paul Harrison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga a1200.....
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:07:29 GMT
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Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:

>In <1993Jan24.4477.38392@dosgate> "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
>>First, Commodore has just released the A1200! Have you ever seen them dump 
>>a computer so fast! It's doesn't go with their pattern. They take years to 
>>release computers but they don't take months to scrap them.

> Have I ever seen Commodore dump a computer so fast?

> Yes, or don't you remember the old C-16/Plus4!

> Sheesh, these youngin's...
>-- 

Don'd be daft! Commodore would NEVER release a new Amiga model only to dump
it a few months later,

Yours sincerely,



An Amiga 500+ owner
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:14:48 GMT
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Gregory R Block (gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
:
: You canNOT deny that there are good uses for goto.  Your experiences with
: goto are irrelevant in this, because good uses exist.  No matter _HOW_
: you feel about it.  This isn't the place to be bringing up opinions, just
: because you feel that you've had to try to decipher all to many times
: what someone was trying to do in a procedure because they used a few too
: many gotos.
:

Greg, I never said that "goto" should be abolished, just discouraged.  I
think we agree on this, no?

: Greg
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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: commodores aga uppgra
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:11:11 EST


MD>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:

MD>: Now there are more game sales on the MACINTOSH than on the Amiga!

MD>: IBM 82%, Mac 8%, Amiga 6%

I don't know  about that! Those numbers seem a little fishy to me. However
I would like to point out that if Amiga users want to see better games and
more games  released for the Amiga, they better start purchasing more games.

I purchase an average of about 12-20 games a year. If every Amiga users did 
this there would be more then enough titles to choose from. One of the reasons
the Mac has been so widely accepted compared to the Amiga is because Mac
users purchase more software.
 
 You can wonder all you want as to why Word Perfect, Microsoft ect. write
applications for the Mac and not for the Amiga. After all! The number of
Macs compared to Amigas isn't that great.
 
 What it comes down to is that Mac users purchase more programs then Amiga 
users. 
 
 There are over 5 million Amiga users. If everyone of these users purchased
1 game a month there would be an quite a few companies writing for the Amiga.
 
  Purchase 12 Games a year x 5 million Amigas
 = 60,000,000 titles sold a year
 = Bigger and Better games
 = More original Titles
 = Remakes instead of crappy IBM ports.

 
 I don't think anyone can argue with that. The same goes for productivity
software. While most people can't afford to purchase a lot of expensive
productivity software. If everyone user purchased 1 or 2 titles a year that
would be equal to over 10,000,000 titles being sold each year. 
 
 So I therefore encourage all users to invest more money into your computers.
Support your software companies. Without them your computer is nothing!

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Subject: Re: Announcing a new GUI
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:02:50 GMT
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Kevin A. Roll (kar5@po.CWRU.Edu) wrote:

: DISCLAIMER:   :) :) :) :) :) :)

: Enough of this bickering about who has the better GUI. Forget Workbench,
: Finder, and Windows. SluSoft is proud to present a revolution in
: GUI technology:

: MALCOLM X WINDOWS!

Don't you mean MALCOLM THE TENTH WINDOWS! ?

: Yes, this is the most radical thing to hit the screen since rasterized
: displays. This software will rally together the components of your
: system to create a better user interface. Any component which resists will
: be dealt with violently. 

: Sure, there are a few bugs; the executable file has a habit of frequently
: changing its name, and eventually stops working altogether. But for a while,
: your screen will light up with fireworks like you've never seen! Order
: your copy today!


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 1993 23:50:02 GMT
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In article <1993Jan28.213149.14207@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: Can somebody please tell me what is wrong with capitalism?

How much money will you give me to tell you?

Greg

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From: acmaak@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Andrew A. Kincaid)
Subject: Check book programs
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:52:44 GMT

Does anyone know of a good checkbook program for the Amiga?

I need it just to do my checkbook,  but if it has other
financial stuff, that's ok.

Oh, and, what ftp site can it be found on.

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From: eb139@cs.city.ac.uk (MAHMOOD Z)
Subject: Re: Amiga A1200.....
Organization: City University
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:00:19 GMT

In <1993Jan20.170718.18968@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>Someone definitely needs to get their head examined. What was given as
>the rationale for this decision?

I think he was just trying his sales pitch on me to buy it before commodore
cut the price ... 
ttfn
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Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
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Date: 21 Jan 93  03:32:00

> Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
> From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
> Message-ID: <1jiq3eINNt6i@uwm.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> Beginning with the 040 (and this will continue, to the best of my
> understanding), there is no support for dynamic bus-sizing on chip.
> However, I imagine that with some logic, one could probably make it
> work on a 16-bit system, and it probably would save you a few dollars,
> so yes, it is possible that Apple's Classic IV could be a crippled
> 040.

Or  maybe  they'll  use an LC040, at 20Mhz, running on a 10Mhz motherboard,
with  no burst mode access to ram, and ram access interleaved with video to
slow  things  down  even more.  :) And maybe a 16 bit bus, too.  Heck, they
just  might  get  the  performance down to about the level of an A1200 with
fast ram, for 3 times the price..

> I certainly wouldn't put it past them, in a world where marketing
> means more than architecture and design, where brute force comes
> before beauty.

Its sickening, aint it.

> Greg
>
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From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Animator Broadcast
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:22:09 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Sun 25 Jan 93 12:18, Tmc@spartan.ac.brocku.ca (tim Cicer
wrote:

>As some people might know by now we are selling a professional Amiga
software
>package called ANIMATOR BROADCAST which is running on all 24Bit SAGE-
>compatible graphics boards (as SAGE seems to evolve as a defacto standard
>even before RTG comes out!) like the VIVID24 or the Rambrandt. ANIMATOR
>BROADCAST makes Photoshop and ADPro look like slow PD orientated first
steps
>towards graphics. It can do things Photo Shop will not be able to do in a 

 TC> This comes as news to me. I would assume that AB will also support
 TC> the RTG standard once it becomes available? Please tell us more...

Can I have some address to this people, so that we can talk about $MONEY$
;-)

I'd love to get in contact with them by voice!

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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:36:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.114650.6763@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.232550.4612@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>> In article <jprad.727647604@faatcrl> jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan) writes:
>> 
>> My keyboard at work has one in just that position, but I find it to be
>> awkward to use.  The Amiga keyboard would actually be easier to use on
>> a Clone, IMHO.
>
>	Speaking of keyboards, some clones I've used have the absolutely
>	worst piece of shit keyboards.  Fortunatly, the Amiga keyboards are
>	pretty nice.  What is a decent quality keyboard for a clone?

Well, IBM's PS/2 keyboards are really nice.  Too bad IBM doesn't make a 
non-PS/2 version of them... ie,they only fit in PS/2s.

>> Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
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From: kpjeacle@maths.tcd.ie (Karl Jeacle)
Subject: Re: CU Amiga (was Re: amiga a1200.....
Organisation: Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:43:07 GMT

cpb1001@phx.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown) writes:

>I have Kindwords3 and I have a friend with Wordworth V1, and KW3 is definitley 
>scaled down version of Wordworth. If you bring up up the about requester in KW3
>it even says (C) Digita International!

Hmm, interesting. I haven't used KW3, but any reviews haven't been too
hot, and Jan 93 Amazing Amiga review says it's by Disc Company in Los
Angeles. On the other hand, I've used WW2, it's a _lot_ nicer than WW1
and all the UK reviews pronounce it as champion WP package... I wouldn't
rate the two in the same league at all.

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