HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:33:17 GMT

grweiss@ernst.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Robert Weiss) writes:

>Why be kind? ;->  I think we should call them all freshlings.  It's PC;
>neither masculine nor feminine, but it still has that derogatory potential so 
>important when labelling freshmen. :-)
NO NO NO
freshmenchen! (from a friend who takes intro Yiddish)

Zach (no .sig tonight)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: mmmirash@banshee.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:09:34 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec17.043130.28664@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
>In article <BzDIIu.G26@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>>      Compare this argument to words which have many meanings, depending
>>upon the context. Just because one meaning is  conveyed more often than
>>others doesn't justify your attempt to attach this meaning to the word, 
>>when it used in a different context.
>
>You mean, as with "Dialect"?  You tried to do that just the other day.
>But you're right, "just because" that's true is no reason.
>
   I did NOT attempt to attach a single meaning to dialect. In fact,
I opposed the very notion. I reminded you that NOT everyone has the
same interpretation of dialect, as *you* do. Isn't it ironic that
you oppose the prevalent notions about the word "dialect", yet
acknowledge those about the word "man"?

>Of course, nobody's *given* that as a reason.  The reason given -- you
>*have* been reading the posts you're replying to, right? -- is that 
>the usage in question has the effect in the minds of many -- even most --
>users of the language of suggesting men, and not men-and-women.  To be
>sure, the speaker in question may *mean* both, but the effect of the 
>word is different.
>
So, the fault lies *not* in the word but in *how* the people who hear/see
it, learn to interpret it.

>Accordingly, some people who want their meaning to get across without
>ambiguity or unwanted associations avoid the "humans" meaning of "men"
>because it just doesn't do what they want it to.
>
>Roger

Why doesn't "human" not convey "man" any more than "mankind" does?
*And*, just *how* far do you propose to carry out this "reform"?
Please propose a solution which eliminates "man", "his", etc. and
replaces them with "truly non-sexist" words. Also, please be kind
enough to elaborate how you propose to educate people to accept
these new words. Not just that, please convince me how this 
"sexless" language will eliminate prejudices.  Should you succeed in 
such an attempt, I will gladly accept that my opinion is incorrect.

                                                    Mandar.

-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
Xref: sparky soc.college:5796 alt.usage.english:9785
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:24:44 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa

In article <BzJoI3.9vx@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@banshee.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>
>     Really? Then why do you not go around removing ALL ambiguities
>from the English language? You do not know of the matters you speak.
>If the only argument you can give me for using a different word is :
>"it removes ambiguity", then I counter that argument with "Well then,
>why stop at "man"? Why not extend this concept of resolving ambiguity?"
>Have you ever studied the ambiguities inherent in speech and writing? 
>Mind you, sometimes even replacing a word will not do much to clear
>up the ambiguity. Accept the language the way it is, and stop waging
>the "war of the sexes" on language.

This may be a strange concept to you, Mandar, but I do try to write and
speak in the least ambiguous way possible.  I do try to choose the words
that will convey my meaning most precisely, taking into account the
mental images my words will bring up in the reader's or listener's mind.
This is considered good communications.

And I believe saying "people" is more effective than saying "men
(including women)".  And less offensive to the women, since it includes
them as a matter of course, not as an afterthought.

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: varhus@lindy.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Sexist language Re: Comments on F/S (was Re: Comments on Gxxxx Life)
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:07:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <cuz.724155226@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It) writes:
>g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>
>|There is nothing wrong with being an upper middle class white male, my
>|husband was one
>
>	What is he know, a poor black woman? :)
>

You know, I really wish people would think a little before they post.  I can
understand making a dumb mistake once in a while, but this is terrible.
Usually, when people speak about someone in the past tense like the woman
above, it means that the person in question has passed away.  I hope you 
haven't really offended someone with your uncaring remark.

Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Sexist language 
Organization: Kalamazoo College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:29:49 GMT

streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
>
>Well as we know, "chairman" is a non-sexist word

Are they using the royal "we" at Stanford, now?

>("chair" being something you sit on)

OK, hold on, give me a few minutes, and I might be able to dig up a
precedent for a word, in English, which has two meanings.  Might be
tough, though...ooh, um, hold on, I'm thinking...


>Changing words just for the sake of it is merely fiddling while Rome burns.

True.

Getting all in a tizzy over removing a useless "-man" from a perfectly
nice word like "chair" is (let's see...) putting up phony "detour" signs
to misdirect the firefighters while Rome burns.


My dictionary says the verb "man" (as in, "man the telephones!") came
into use around the 15th century, 300 years after the noun "man."
Ironic, that the very people who'll fight you tooth and nail to be able
to "man" things, are the same people who'll roll their eyes and groan
when you use a noun as a verb.
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy      Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu      AppleLink: j.mccarthy
 "Apple developers will still have access to System 7.1 through the
  monthly Developer CD series, but they may use it only for testing
  and development purposes."              - AppleDirect, Nov/Dec 92
Xref: sparky soc.college:5769 alt.usage.english:9751
From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:35:52 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski):
:Given that "they" is rejected by many native speakers...

It's only rejected by hypercorrective, overeducated grammarians.  You
don't like it because you were TOLD not to like it.  It springs naturally
to the lips of the the rest of the world.  It's perfectly natural.  Just
ask anybody on the street: I'll bet they'll agree with me.

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist

BASIC: A programming language.  Related to certain social diseases in
that those who have it will not admit it in polite company.
Xref: sparky soc.college:5698 alt.usage.english:9670
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject:  Comments on F/S (was Re: Comments on Gxxxx life)
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:33:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.210133.1334@cobber.cord.edu> serhienk@cobber.cord.edu (David Serhienko) writes:
>To Ted Frank, Rosemary Waigh, and Gavin Fisher (sic?) and whoever else :
>[...]
>My personal suggestion would
>be for the major proponents of the various viewpoints (those I have named)
>to issue 'official' position statements...say of a couple hundred
>lines...preferably with full reference pages...the works.  

I am against discrimination.
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
Xref: sparky soc.college:5722 alt.usage.english:9695
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:35:29 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Dec14.190905.12958@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
> I propose the following word meaning 'any woman, studying in her first
> year at a college or university, who insists on the use of so-called
> gender-neutral language':
> 
> 'freshbitch'

So what do you call those of us who are not women, in our fifth year of study
at University who try and use gender-neutral language wherever possible?
Staledogs? 
> 
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> 
In my experience any more than one smiley indicates someone who thinks he's
being funny by being insulting.

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
Xref: sparky soc.college:5544 alt.usage.english:9497
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:02:21 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Edinburgh University

Quoting eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) in article <1992Dec14.170120.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>:
>Hey, don't drag the rest of the English speaking world into this.

Over here, they're "freshers".  I don't know if it's ever been otherwise...
  __                                _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul."  \X/
From: cm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARALAMBOS MARANGOS)
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: University of Virginia anyone?
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:33:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello,

I am in need of the email address to the Systems Engineering Dept. at the
University of Virginia at Charlottesville. I lost some bits from the address,
so my memo keeps coming back to me. Can you help me? Please?

Thanx
-- 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Charalambos Marangos               (215) 758-4044,X-4536
CY/GR/DDR/USA/FR/AU                Industrial Engineering Department
Do not forget Cyprus 7/20/1974     120 Mohler Lab,200 West Packer Ave.
cm00@lehigh.edu                    Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 07:40:25 CST
From: <U51519@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Composites research at MSU

It has come to my attention that there is some confusion as to what MSU stands
for. I am referring to Michigan State University, particularly their composite
materials program.

Sorry for the confusion.

Ari Caliskan
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
From: artemieff@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Cognitive Science programs?
Reply-To: artemieff@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Marlboro, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:40:02 GMT


Hi,

I'm looking for information on graduate programs in cognitive science.
Does anyone have any recommendations?   Also, what are the general
prerequisites?

Thanks in advance,

Suzanne
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
From: puneet@franklin.ee.umr.edu (Puneet Grover)
Subject: Need Info about USMLE Medical Exam
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: puneet@emclab.ee.umr.edu (Puneet Grover)
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: puneet@ee.umr.edu


I require information about the USMLE taken by Med Students for my brother
currently studying Medicine in India. He's planning to appear in this exam
out of India and would like to get any preparatory material available in
the market in the US. I am leaving for India within a week and can carry it
along with me. 

I would be grateful if anyone out there can provide me information about
who administers the test and how to obtain test materials - i may even buy
used materials from anyone willing to sell them.

Thanks in advance,

Puneet Grover
-- 
Puneet Grover                | Office : 310 ERL       |puneet@ee.umr.edu
Grad. Student (Comp. Engg.)  | Phone  : (314) 341-4541|puneet@emclab.ee.umr.edu
University of Missouri-Rolla | Home Ph: (314) 364-5240|lifesux@umr.everyday
From: lklee@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Univ of Colorado, Sch. of Dentistry, Admission, Resident of CO?
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:54:09 GMT
Followup-To: sender
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez001099@dale.ucdavis.edu

Does anyone know if I need to be a Colorado resident to attend dental
school at U of Colorado School of Dentistry?  I ask because the AADSAS
application instruction booklet says that I might need a verification
of Colorado residency form.  How about if I declare CO residency after
I get into the school?

Or maybe someone can at least e-mail me the telephone number of the
Admissions Office there.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Louie
lklee@ucdavis.edu

P.S.  Please e-mail me your help.  Thanks again.

Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Speedy Gonzalez)
Subject: MIS/Info Science
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:08:58 GMT


Hi,

I wrote before about MIS and since I am leaving soon
I thought I would try one more time to get some information.

Any information regarding MIS is welcome; opinions on the
subject, good schools, topics I should concentrate on, etc.
I have narrowed down to a few schools although these aren't
for sure yet: Boston U., Case, Pitt, Penn State, DePaul,
and maybe a few others.  I will be pursuing a Masters.
Any comments on these schools in general and their MIS
programs is welcome, DESPERATELY.  I MADE A FOUL DECISION
FOR COLLEGE AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT FOR MASTERS!!!!!!!!

SO ANY INFO, GOOD OR BAD, IS MUCH APPRECIATED.

Also, does anyone know the fundamental difference b/w
info science and MIS?  I know info science is more computer
oriented but anything other than that?  Or does it just
depend on the MIS program in comparison?

Thanks, again, folks, 
kudos to all,
Trina
From: john@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU (John)
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Re: rec's for GRE study material for CS test (kinda long)
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:57:25 GMT
Organization: California State University, Fresno

In article <1992Dec16.224223.12019@news.Hawaii.Edu> rbrewer@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Robert Brewer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.001217.4740@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>
>I also believe that the Arco test doesn't represent the real thing very well.
>I scored much better on the ETS practice tests than I did on the Arco ones.
>They also don't provide any idea of how to translate a raw score to a scaled
>one for their test. The Arco tests tend to emphasize weird topics that would
>require some memorized knowledge, which is less frequent on the real thing. 
>They also have some really trivial questions that non-CS people could answer
>just by careful reading of the question, which tends not to happen on the real
>thing.

I took the GRE Psych test on Dec. 12 (I'm not really a Psych person,
more Cog Sci, but grad schools seem to be set in their ways, so I'm
making the best of it...) and I noticed that at least 10-15% of the
questions could be answered from context information.  About 75% did
require memorized info, and the others could be answered by most
reasonably educated people.  Maybe they are testing your intelligence
as well as your knowledge.  
>
>Even though I have said some mean things about the Arco book, I would recommend
>it to anyone who can afford it (after you buy the ETS books, of course!). While
>it has flaws, there is good info in it. The solutions to questions are crucial
>to improving your score. ETS will show you how you will do, but it won't tell
>you how to remedy holes in your knowledge, which the Arco will in some cases.
>
My problem with practice tests in general is that I remember every
question, regardless of knowing the answer, and it slows me down when
I take the real test (it happened on the general GRE.)  


--
+----------------------------+   ||| | || |   
| -John  (The Generic John)  |   ||| | || |   
| john@csufres.csufresno.edu |   ||| | || |   
+-----------"Moo"------------+   666 1 13 0
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 10:52:50 CST
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: EE AT ARIZONA SATE

I needed to obtain some info. on the quality of EE program at the
Arizona State University.Are they good in VLSI  area. What are
their research activities in the area of VLSI  about?. I know
they offer courses in fault tolerant testing in their cs program.
I appreciate if somebody give me more info. about this. -Thanx.
From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Re: rec's for GRE study material for CS test
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:12:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec9.180417.5202@matrix.com> srm@matrix.com (Steve Morris) writes:
>
>I need to take the GRE computer science subject test.
>Do you know of any other study material (self-help books)
>besides the practice tests from ETS. (The practice tests
>contain no explanations.)
>

ARCO makes a GRE CS Subject test prep book.  So does REA, those guys who
make that series of cheesily typeset "THE [SUBJECT HERE] PROBLEM SOLVER".
ARCO has better typesetting...  haven't really studied out of either of
them, though, so I can't really compare or contrast them in a meaningful
way.  There's also the 2nd edition of the ETS practice book... it looks
like those sample questions that come before the actual sample test are
all taken from the 1st edition of the practice book.... minus the ordering
and structure.

Good luck.  Let me know if you discover anything interesting while preparing
for the test... BTW, are you re-entering academia from industry?  What are
your interests and what kind of schools are you looking at?

				Best regards,

				Jerry


>
>-- 
>Steve Morris  ||  MATRIX Corp.  ||  919-231-8000 (8001 FAX) ||  srm@matrix.com


-- 
 Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) | Wishing I were an emaciated chihuahua. 
 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
From: RSE32195@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Biomedical engineering
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:50:32 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

To anyone out there paying attention:

I am a senior (undergrad) mechanical engineering student, and am planning
to attend graduate school in biomedical engineering.  I am in the process
of narrowing down the list of schools that I will be applying to, and 
would like to hear any insight that anyone has about graduate biomedical
engineering programs.  So, if you'd like to plug your school (or give me a
warning), or if you just have something to say, please do so.  I'm 
primarily interested in biomechanics, implants, and biomaterials.
Thanks!

Stefan Radloff
University of Tulsa
rse32195@vax1.utulsa.edu

Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
From: mef@cs.washington.edu (Marc Fiuczynski)
Subject: CHARTER FOR SOC.COLLEGE.GRAD
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Posting guidelines for this newsgroup
Keywords: graduate programs, posting guidelines, group guardian
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:57:55 GMT

			       (REPOST)

The news group is restricted to the dissemination, by academic
departments, of information about graduate programs.  The group
provides a simple place for students who are looking for graduate
school information.  In addition, for many international students it
is the best way for obtaining information about universities in other
countries.

This is an unmoderated group, but with a set of "rules" that are
posted each month.  These rules are designed to keep the group as
effective as possible as an official source of information for
prospective graduate students.  As discussed below, there will be a
group guardian, who makes sure that the rules are followed.  There are
four rules:

1. Standard Subject line, listing the degree area and the university.
  e.g. Subject: Computer Science, Montana State University
2. Standard format in the body of the proposal.  Information to be
  filled in is limited to:
  (a) Name, e-address, phone, and snail-address for a contact point.
  (b) Faculty names, degrees, interests, and e-addresses.
  (c) Facilities available for graduate students.
  (d) Availability of financial support.
  (e) Degrees offered.
  (f) Specific requirements.  (e.g., GRE, TOEFL, TSE, etc.)
  (g) Deadline for applications.
  (h) Description of the university and location (200 words max.).
3. No department will be able to post more than once each month.
4. All postings must specify a followup field of soc.college
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Phone #'s: Toronto, UBC, U.Ga.?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:31:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does anyone have the telephone numbers for the Admissions Offices of the
graduate schools of business at the following institutions?

University of Georgia (Athens, GA)
University of Toronto (Toronto, ONT)
University of British Columbia (Vancouver, BC)

E-Mail is, of course, more courteous to the general readership than posting a
follow-up.

Thanks in advance for your attention.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Aloysius McVeigh |"It was a funny name. I felt sure I could remember
   jm0i@.Lehigh.edu     | anyone with a name like Aloysius. It was a good
       "N.I.N.A."       | Catholic name."            - Ernest Miller Hemingway
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
From: kollerd@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (David R Koller)
Subject: Programs in Forensic Genetics
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:25:08 GMT

   Does anyone have any information regarding graduate programs of study
in the field of Forensic Genetics?  Any info is much appreciated.

David Koller
kollerd@ecn.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo