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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: the Road Warriors contract
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:21:54 GMT

There has been some question as to how much the Road Warriors left behind when 
they left their contracts with NWA/WCW. I got this from the Wrestling Observer 
Newsletter, from the september batch which I just recieved. I got the 
information on how to subscribe from a helpful Gary Will (This was after Sean 
Ryan said he couldn't be bothered because he was busy campaigning for loser 
canditates who later pulled out of the race. Interestingly enough he found the 
time just recently to write me a very nasty letter about my editing habits. 
Thanks for all the help sean :(  )

The Observer Reports:
"Nobody used the leverage more than the Road Warriors, who in late 1987, signed
a three-year contract for $500,000 per year APIECE [emphesis mine]. But as it 
turned out, even with that most cherry of all deals, they didn't even last the 
three years. Midway through year three, they were offered a new contract by 
Herd -- for $156,000 apiece when their current one ran out. They were so 
insulted by the proposed cut in pay they didn't even wait to collect their last
six months. They wanted out. In truth, Herd wanted out from that contract even 
worse, a release was granted, and all that money they were given, not because 
of their ability to draw, but in order to keep them from jumping, was out the 
window. The situation was similer with Ric Flair about a year later."

This was part of a larger article called "Dollars, Sense, and Reality: The true
state of WCW" which I will give you more of in digest form if anyone is 
interested.

                                                   David Kempster
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From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: tag champs
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Posted-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18: 35:20 -0500
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:35:20 GMT
Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18: 34:39 CDT


While I'm no fan of Duh-stin (though I'd be a lot more impressed if
his dad weren't still booking--let him get pushed on his own
merits), I can think of a few tag champs that i've liked less.

Sorry, but I liked Bloom and Enos as champs... too bad they never got
to complete the angle where one guy would always cut the other
guy off in interviews.

The WCW Patriots were worse choices than Dustin and  Barry.  The
Young Pisser were worse choices.  Valentine and <anyone> is an awful
choice.

		--Otto "Hack-Man" Heuer
From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW screw up
Keywords: WCW tag belts
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:44:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Oct5.164443.15891
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <YKqMr*8h0@birdland.UUCP> uunet!tension!birdland!andy writes:
>WCW screwed things up a little tonight. In the advertisement for Halloween
>Havoc, Jim Ross talked about Windham/Rhodes being the new WCW tag champs
>defending the belts against the Steiners.
>
>Buuuuut.... the match for the tag belts hasn't aired yet. Oops.
>

I missed that. On Power Hour and World wide this week, they aired the control 
center with Gordy Williams vs. Steiners for the titles. On Sunday they aired 
the control center identical except Windham and Rhodes were in place of Gordy 
and Williams. I take it that on Saturday they ran the wrong one? oops.

Speaking of these HH line up reports - They announced Simmons vs. Barbarian, 
Rude vs. Chono, Sting vs. Jake  origionally. Then they added Williams and Gordy
vs. Steiners AFTER the t.v. taping where Gordy and Williams lost the belts. 
Those marks at the t.v. taping may wonder why they signed this match after 
Gordy and Williams lost the belt.
This week they change it by the end of the weekend to Dustin and Barry vs. the 
Stieners and Ricky Steamboat to defend his title against an opponent to be 
named next week. But this aired AFTER the sept. 29th T.V. taping where Scott 
Stiener took the title from Ricky Steamboat, and where they also must have 
known that Rick Steiner was hurt.

So they keep telling us things are going to happen at H.H. that we know cannot 
happen after we know they can't happen (at least those of us with access to 
reports from the t.v. tapings. So are they doing this more or less on purpose 
( I assume that they had some advanced warning of Gordy and Williams droping 
the straps, even if Steiner beating Steamboat may have been last minute change.

If they are not doing this on purpose they are being lazy. It wouldn't be that 
hard to edit the control center to avoid changing the card every week.

If they are doing it on purpose (which is my guess) I assume this is all 
designed to give us more of that anything can happen feel. You can annouce 
your supercard line ups ahead of time, but since those house matches etc.are 
occuring you never know who will be the title holders when you get there. They 
must have mentioned every time they have shown either Simmons or the Barbarian,
that since Simmons is set to meet Rude at upcoming matches in Your area. I 
think that these other "last minute" changes are most likely designed to get 
you to go ahead and go to that house show and see Rude vs. Simmons because even
though Simmons is supposed to be the champ at H.H. - you never know. Of course 
Simmmons will still be champion at H.H.
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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:45:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.225448.13221@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding) writes:
>
>Ric Flair:
>7 NWA World titles (defeated, in order, Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Kerry Von
>Erich, Rhodes again, Ron Garvin, Rick Steamboat, and Sting.)
>2 WWF World titles (defeated, in order, Sid Justice and Randy Savage.)
>3 NWA U.S. titles (don't ask... before my time.)
>2 NWA World tag titles, both with Greg Valentine (and there may be more... I'm
>not sure.  In the era that he and Greg won these titles, NWA records are, at
>best, sketchy.)
>And, of course, too many regional titles to count.
>

Make that 4 US titles, and 2 or 3 NWA tag titles.
He held the tag once with Valentine, and once with Blackjack Mulligan.
It's iffy whether or not he and Valentine held them second time.

-- 
Dominic Macika

"Lenny Bruce is not afraid"
(Time I had some time alone)
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Subject: Re: Espata Isn't Comet Kid, Unfortunately
From: west@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:29:46 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: west

In article <schmata.717888681@camelot>, schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein) writes:
> In <1992Sep30.111523.1@uncavx.unca.edu> west@uncavx.unca.edu writes:
> 
>>BTW, did anybody see the wookie doll angle in the La Briosa match on
>>AAA this sunday?  I thought I was gonna faint when the doll hopped up
>>and did the Shooting Star off the top ropes.  The match was dull, but
>>I laughed about the Wookie for hours...
> 
> I'd like to say I did, but I haven't seen a single AAA match since I returned toschool in an area, Peoria IL, that hasn't enough Hispanics to warrant UA Cable  picking up Galavision. Where's Dave Fields when ya need him? Or better yet, why don't YOU pick up AAA updates where Dave left off?
> 
> Pretty please?
> 
> With sugar on top?
> --
> tv's wisecracking peter
> "!Un foul! !Un foul!"-AAA announcer whenever someone gets it in the   
>     family jewels
>
Geez, I could post outcomes and a few comments, but, since I don't speak
Spanish, some of the angles (like the interminable Blue Panther feuds) 
are incomprehensible to me.  

I'm getting to where all I feel like watching are AAA and SMW, though; WWF
is too stoopid, WCW is being gutted by Bill "Take Omnitrition or Die" Watts;
NAWA / IWCCW / SAPW /GWF have gone (or never got out of) to hell.  A prediction
that will probably bring out the flame guns, but I think will come to pass --
within two years WCW will look like today's GWF.  National promotions (Vince
included) are doomed; pray to the gods you live in a place where a regional
group will spring up.

Incidentally, I heard a rumor that Vince was gonna stop pushing that ICOPRO
crud.  I wonder if it'll end up like Four Horsemen Vitamins; I understand
the Crocketts have a warehouse full of outdated vitamins in Charlotte
somewhere...

Mark West   WEST@UNCA.EDU  "It's Vader Time!"
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Subject: MVC, and the N. American tag talent pool.
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding)
Date: 27 Sep 92 12:59:41 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

It doesn't make sense...

Considering that I read a few nights ago that MVC had just dropped the tag
titles to the Nepotist Kid and Barry Windham, the very last thing anyone here
on the net would have expected was an announcement on a WCW show about a tag
title match at HH'92, right?

Wrong.

Last night on WCW Saturday Night, and probably on every other syndie, the
Control Centre announced an MVC-Steiners title match for HH'92.  Why?  We've
seen this match plenty of times already, nobody really likes the Steiners
anyway, and, even more importantly, neither team has the titles anymore.

What does this indicate?  Rhodes and Windham drop the titles BACK to MVC?  Very
probably.  Rhodes and/or Windham does a heel turn.  Probably not.  My guess is
is that at the next taping at Centre Stage, MVC will regain the titles in a
"rematch".  That, or Watts will find SOME reason to overturn the victory, and
give the belts back to MVC.  Frequent title changes are commonplace in WCW, so
whatever happens will come as no great surprise.

As for the North American tag title situation... I agree with Eric, to a
point.  Yes, the North American tag pool is indeed shrinking.  WWF barely has
half a dozen tag teams to its name, and WCW doesn't even have THAT many
established teams.  Most of the recent tag champions of WCW have been two
singles wrestlers with nothing better to do, just going out and winning the
titles.  However, two singles wrestlers do not a tag team make.  The North
American tag pool DOES need a resurgence... but it probably won't get one.  The
big problem is is that the majority of North American fans don't care about tag
team wrestling.  What people want to see is two guys, not four, get into the
ring and bash each other senseless.  Hence, wrestlers won't want to be in a
team, because no one will really care about them.

I think letting MVC keep the titles would have been a wise move by Watts. 
Since WCW is now trying to make solider connections with Japanese wrestling,
what better way to strengthen ties than by letting two established stars in
Japan become tag champions for an extended length of time?  Given, this could
be even BETTER served by giving the titles to Sasake and Muto, but Watts also
needs someone who the American fans can identify with... a role which Williams
and Gordy fit all too well.

Remember, a lot of this is just IMHO, and I'm a *HUGE* MVC fan, so keep the
flames down, please.

Dan Fielding, who gets more in one night than Ric Flair does in a month.

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From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: News from GEnie
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:25:53 -0300
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <Andy.00rj@birdland.UUCP>, Andy@birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio) writes:
> News of the GEnie Wrestling RoundTable:
> 
> * Lou Albano may appear for SummerSlam.

Come again? In 1993 you mean? I doubt Vince "plan as you go" McMahon
would be making plans THAT far in advance :-)
 
Is this Survivor Series perhaps? I didn't think the Captain had any great
love for the WWF left. Seems kinda pointless unless they're hiring him
back as a manager. Most marks wouldn't remember him.


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From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
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Subject: Wrestlers are smart
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:25:10 -0600

Subj: Wrestlers are smart            Conf: (46) Rec.Sport.
___------------------------------------------------------------------------
GC>  In a nationaly syndicated column by L.M. Boyd, he states that
GC>  if you measured the intellegence of all participants in pro
GC>  sports wrestlers would be at the top!!!!!!

Is this Fact, or Opinion???

Actually, since Wrestling is a Sham (see definition of sham
in another message), it probably Doesn't Matter One Whit!

:-)  Fido

 * OLX 2.2 * I only have @memory@k left!

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Subject: Espata Isn't Comet Kid, Unfortunately
From: west@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:15:23 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: hotchkiss

In article <1148@tdat.teradata.COM>, vpo@tos50.teradata.com writes:
> 
> The WWF's Comet Kid is none other than Carlos Santiago Espata from
> the Lucha Libre! This is the gospel as revealed to me by Dave Fields.> > 
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I hate to disagree, but it isn't; Espata ("Konnan") is still with AAA.
Comet Kid is Paul Diamond ("Kato;") I suspect Vince chose him to take
Konnan's place because they're the same size (but not the same skill
level.

BTW, did anybody see the wookie doll angle in the La Briosa match on
AAA this sunday?  I thought I was gonna faint when the doll hopped up
and did the Shooting Star off the top ropes.  The match was dull, but
I laughed about the Wookie for hours...

Mark West   WEST@UNCA.EDU   "It's Vader Time!!" 

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From: 910427m@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON MATTHEW MCDONALD)
Subject: Re: Ulimate Warrior's Offensive Moves
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:39:40 GMT

>
>Umm, I'll take a stab....
>
> 1.  Running into the ring.
> 2.  Jumping on the second rope in all four corners so the marks can cheer.
> 3.  Grabbing the rope in an up-and-down motion (If Stromer is still here,
>     hush!)  :-)
> 4.  Raising his arms up and down like he's lifting something.
> 5.  Beating his chest.
> 6.  Staring at his opponent for an eternity.
> 7.  Breathing real heavy at said opponent (he's winded from all the pre-match
>     crap)
> 8.  Lockup (by now, 5 minutes have passed)
> 9.  Shoulderblock
>10.  Clothesline
>11.  Gorilla press
>12.  Splash
>13.  Pin
>14.  Screaming unintelligibly
>15.  Pointing to the sky about 100 times
>16.  (only if he has one)  Hugging the belt like a lover.
>
>Hey, what do ya know?  I did it!  ;-)
>
>						PSYCHO
>
>11MWARNER@gallua.gallaudet.edu


Bravo, you impressed me, and McMahon I don't impress easily.( as I type in 
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From: schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Espata Isn't Comet Kid, Unfortunately
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:31:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.schmata.717888681
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Sep30.111523.1@uncavx.unca.edu> west@uncavx.unca.edu writes:

>BTW, did anybody see the wookie doll angle in the La Briosa match on
>AAA this sunday?  I thought I was gonna faint when the doll hopped up
>and did the Shooting Star off the top ropes.  The match was dull, but
>I laughed about the Wookie for hours...

I'd like to say I did, but I haven't seen a single AAA match since I returned toschool in an area, Peoria IL, that hasn't enough Hispanics to warrant UA Cable  picking up Galavision. Where's Dave Fields when ya need him? Or better yet, why don't YOU pick up AAA updates where Dave left off?

Pretty please?

With sugar on top?
--
tv's wisecracking peter
"!Un foul! !Un foul!"-AAA announcer whenever someone gets it in the   
    family jewels
From: wrdj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Comet Kid = Carlos Santiago Espata
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:49:59 EDT
Distribution: world,rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1148@tdat.teradata.COM>,
vpo@tos50.teradata.com writes: 
> 
> The WWF's Comet Kid is none other than Carlos Santiago Espata from
> the Lucha Libre! This is the gospel as revealed to me by Dave Fields...
 
Any background on this guy [other than the fact that he is Mexican]?
Where's he been, what's he do, how is he, etc etc etc?

Frank "FauxNewbie" Orzechowicz
no one got diverticulitis, did they?

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From: ad749@yfn.ysu.edu (Rob Bakos)
Subject: Re: WRESTLING IS A SHAM  !!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: ad749@yfn.ysu.edu (Rob Bakos)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:31:38 GMT


In a previous article, THe Man who knows () says:

>I hope you all know that :-)
>

Well no shit!
Thanks for clearing that up for all of us...

No need to continue this waste of bandwidth...

-- 
"In order to win, you must cheat. If you lose; hell, start a fight!"
                                      -- Dan Cortez MTV Sports
From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WRESTLING IS A SHAM !!!!!!!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:48:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

In article <BvBoqs.ILq@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
> >And I *thought* that was John Tenta I saw winning the Superstars
> >competition on ABC last year... 8')
> > 
> >-- Larry
> 
> 
> Keiji Muto is a far better athlete than William Perry, and
> Deion Sanders is a better athlete than Typoon.  So what?  The point is
> totally without meaning and I just said it because it seemed to serve my
> point better than the same old arguments always used to defend the legitimacy
> of wrestling to boneheads like the guy who started this "sham" thread.  Sorry
> if I offended anybody by actually insinuating that some wrestlers might be
> good athletes.
> 

  Don't you mean insinuating that ALL wrestlers are good atheletes.  I think
most people agree that SOME wrestlers are good atheletes.  Scott Steiner was
an All-American at 167 lbs. a few years back.  I need not repeat the previous
sports accomplishments of Ron Simmons and all the other football stars.  In
a recent story about amatuer wrestling, I believe it was Bill Sheer who 
actually named Mike Rotundo as one of the few pros who actually was quite
good on the amateur wrestling mat.  Quite a few of the Japanese wrestlers look
to have the potential to be good atheletes (wasn't Hiro Hase a fairly good 
amateur wrestler?)

  Yes, the likes of Typhoon, Earthquake, Andre, and <insert your least favorite
non-worker> here, stretch the limit of what an athelete, or rather a good
athelete is.  But for the most part, any decent worker in the ring has to
have some atheletic ability (if you doubt it, go to a mat with a friend and
try to stage a match.  See how long before you're sweaty and tired).  In the
ranks of pro-wrestling there is a range from the bad wrestlers/atheletes, namely
JYD & Andre, the bad wresters/good atheltes, namely Bill Kazmier & El Gigante
(alright, I'm stretching it but he was on the Olympic Basketball team for his
country), to the good wrestlers/bad atheletes - Ric Flair (can't imagine what
he could play now, perhaps a few years ago) and the good wrestlers/good 
atheltes - Simmons, Steiner, Pillman, etc.

  If you want to show a friend how "tough" wrestling is, show them the good
wrestlers and atheletes and keep them away from the Andre's of the wrestling 
world. 
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From: cadesjar@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Curtis Desjardins)
Subject: Re: WWF Prime Time Wrestling - 28/9/92
Keywords: 2 hours of WWF in 4 pages or less
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:42:09 GMT

In article <97150@bu.edu> dauria@csa.bu.edu (David DAuria) writes:
>Well I think we already know that McMahon ups the heights and weights.
>Don't forget that once Buster Douglas was a ref in a match between Hogan
>and Savage.  The thing that I noticed was the the 6'4" Douglas was noticably
>taller than Savage and just slightly shorter than Hogan.(Shouldn't Hogan be
>noticably taller at 6'8"?  and isn't Savage supposed to be 6'1"?  
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
When I met Savage at the Newark Airport, I noticed he wasn't that
big of a person. I'm 5'8" and he wasn't all that much taller than me.
Savage isn't very big at all, either height-wise or very muscular.
He's gotten pretty small over the past few years and seeing him up
close just convinced me.

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