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From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: The fifth tin wong
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:10:02 GMT

In article <Bw3C5t.2y1@acsu.buffalo.edu> v050qh6y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT) writes:
>>	Thanks for telling us about your age... Hey guys, please add at  
>>	least 10 to the girl's age, if you want it to be reliable! :-)

>well, william baby,
>i know that you are just joking about adding ten years to a girl's age, but 
>really, i think you have to subtract five from mine, becuase i get carded 
>for renting an r rated movie, which means that i barely look 17.  i figured 
>you wouldnt know that because you obviously never leave your computer long 
>enough to go out, even if it is to rent a video.
>
>haha just kidding

	Hahahah...hehehehehe!

	Well, don't you forget to wear 3" high heels and do some makeup next 
	time when you go renting R-rated movies... 
	 
	Guess what!! William would definitely get spanked on his hand by his   
	parents if he'd rented the thing. So, please take some care now won't
	you! (Guys, don't tell her mum this time OK) 

	BTW, there's a [Caps Lock] key right beside your [A] key...and..well,
	a [Shift] beside the [Z], please go visit them some times :-)

---Goooooo on you girl!
	The baby
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<> Baby Elvis                  ) "I don't know anything     <>
<> William W. Lo              (   about music. In my line   <> 
<> william@natimuk.acci.com.au )  you don't have to."       <>
<>^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v(                             <>
<> Welcome to William's World! )         : Elvis Presley    <>
<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>*O*<>

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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Search a way to give birth to a son?
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 00:33:11 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: method, son

In article <1bni68INNojf@roche.csl.sri.com> dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.042050.11952@usl.edu>, lhn1935@usl.edu (Ng Lap H) writes:
>|> In article <1bfiu4INN1u7@roche.csl.sri.com> dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:
>|> 
>|> ...stuff deleted.
>|> 
>|> >The chance of getting a girl is 50%.
>|> >
>|> >The chance of getting a first girl and a second girl is 50% * 50% = 25%
>|> >
>|> >The chance of getting a 1st girl and a 2nd girl and a 3rd girl is 50% * 50% *50%
>|> >= 12.5% and so on.
>|> >
>|> >However, I know of a family with 11 daughters and still trying. Good luck!
>|> >
>|> >Derek
>|> 
>|> Wrong. After you have already got 5 daughters, your chance of having a son
>|> is still 50% (if the chance of having a son is 50% originally).
>|> 
>|> That's why after being 'big' for 10 games (gambling 'big' and 'small'), the 
>|> chance of being 'big' is still high for the next game. The reason is the new
>|> game is 'independent' of the previous games after previous games have finished.
>|> 
>|> - Anson Ng.
>


I think Anson is not tackling the point here.  Yes, the probability of
getting a male baby is still 50% no matter what sex the previous borns are,
but the probability of getting 11 girls is

0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 *0.5 *0.5 * 0.5 = 0.5 ^ 11

Seems like Anson is talking about the probability of individual event while
Derek is talking about the probability of the overall outcome.

So, event independency alone cannot support Anson's argument.  It does not
make any difference because both (1) probability of getting a male or female
baby is independent of all previous cases AND (2) the probability of getting
a female or a male baby is THE SAME.

e.g. 1st Male, 2nd Female, 3rd Male : 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5
    All 3 are males                 : 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5

     which have the same probability.

- Louis
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:27:01 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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In article <10613@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> anthony@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <1992Oct10.085339.5303@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:
>
>[original question about why overseas students become Christians and 
>join fellowship groups]
>
>>1. Such religious groups are fast track to get contact with people when
>>   being alone overseas.
>>2. Alone sometime => lonely and bored.
>
>That may be true initially but if contact with people was the only
>motive then I doubt if they will last.  It is not easy being a
>Christian.  It doubly hard when your family (parents) are not.

I saw that several people that I known who went to Christian
fellowship for the purpose of meeting guys/girls and as soon
as they achieved their purpose, they quitted.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: How to translate "bone air" into English?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:34:47 GMT

How about "Kuat Hei" ? :-)
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:38:22 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
Originator: leung@bittemple


rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy) writes:

|> In article <1992Oct13.072138.23399@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> 
   ins882e@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr B.C. Tay) writes:

>(iii) One may not cope with the work load of a uni/school, and in order to get
> through this abnormal period, 
>, he/she have to depend on something that may help them(i.e. god),the reason
>why people may turn up to believe in christ not alah(islam) or buddha is
>because the christian oversea is more active, they tend to have more activities
>and know how to promote the bible...

HAHaHahaha ...

|> Do you mean that if you cannot handle your class, you are going to pray and
|> ask God to help you? (I used to do that when I was in my primary school :-))

Yap. That reminds me when I was in the school, some extremely "active"
christians (HKers) came to me and tried to recruit (sorry, don't know 
what's the right word) me into those fellowship/bible_study things. I
still remember the story the guy told me how God saves him from the
multiple choice test [you know, the N0.2 pencil he uses must have 
6 sides :-)] of a course he's about to funk out. I later on found
out that he and his group of worshipers live together, watch football
all weekend, and they don't study much at all. Although I don't have
the genes to worship, I never doubt that some people do need God to
comfort them, and that episode reinforces my conviction ever since.
(Don't accuse me stereotyping Christians, for I don't believe all
Christians are like them, but such people do indeed exist.)

|> Christian looks for everlasting happiness (before and after death). 
                                              ??????

From my understanding, what you say here of "Christian" about the
second part "after death" is true, but I'm doubtful about the part
"before." It is my understanding that the _traditional_ Protestant
value does not view life to be happy.

|> Non-Christian looks for short term happiness (during their life).

Well, non-christian is obviously a very encompassing term, and I doubt
that you can lump them together as they are looking for the same thing
during their life.
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: vchan@haas.berkeley.edu (Vincent Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK political groups
Date: 14 Oct 1992 21:43:48 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct14.153611.8299@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai) writes:
>
>To me, I support "Cooperative" (Kai Luen). I think that they
>are more realistic. Hong Kong United Democrats almost does everything
>to have a greater democracy. But I doubt that Hong Kong people
>easily adjust to this sudden democratic jump. Also, it is a 

     Kai Luen's goal is more moderate, compared with UD. But many
     people have bad impression that their members are too pro-British
     and their memberships in LEGCO are not voted by people. If they
     can participate in the election next time and win some seats,
     their image can be improved and they will be more persuasive.

>matter whether Hong Kong people really care about all political 
>stuff (for the time being). I am not saying that greater democracy 
>is not good. It is just that it should not go too fast.
>Moreover, this big democratic jump may have adverse effects (e.g.
>introducing political instability) which will do nothing but harm
>to the Hong Kong's prosperity.

     YES ! There is tradeoff between prosperity and democracy
     in Hongkong.

     So, my questions are 1) Do Hong Kong really need greater
     democracy at this time ? 2) Are the people in HK mature 
     enough to accept full democracy ?
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Future of China........
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:51:58 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <10502@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> anthony@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>There is one very important thing that you forgot, the majority of 
>the Chinese people are still illiterate. 

The majority of Chinese are not illiterate.  The CIA World Fact Book
lists the literacy rate of Mainland China as 70 to 80%.  The literacy
rate in Taiwan and Hong Kong exceeds 90%.

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From: wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the US employers
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:52:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.122506.27993@cs.umb.edu> tchow@ra.cs.umb.edu (Tony Yee Chow) writes:
>I find this article in misc.jobs.offered (article 23571) and I am very upset.
>I THOUGHT there is no racist in this country.
>What do the other chinese people think about this guy?
>
>In article <2AD62C37.13647@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>>I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
>>compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
>>cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and 
>>other US legislators.  Thank you.
>>
>>Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
>>Irvine, California
>>
>>PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate the justice raped by those 
>>    Chinese students and the US legislators.

Don't worry about it. Anybody care what a mental-disorder guy said?

My suggestion to normal people is just skip the noise, keep on your own way.

My suggestion to Shannon is: keep on shouting what you want to, so that every-
one can recognize your maddness. You even might get attention of some
psychiatrists, if you are lucky enough,they may cure your illness.
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK political groups
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:17:52 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
Originator: leung@bittemple


tlai@csri.toronto.edu (Tony Fu-Keung Lai) writes:

> Before you do something, you must learn how to do it and understand
> the consequence. Right? ...

Not necessarily. Doing is also learning. Look at the infants,
they don't "learn" how to walk before they walk. They just
walk, and of course they'll make mistakes and fall down, but
then just get up and try again. What is the big deal?

> ... As an analogue, if you don't study Architecture,
> will somebody employ you to build a house (genius is an exception,
> in this case.)?

Forget about the genius part. "As an analogue," no employer will
ask all his employees are architects or have studied architecture
in order to build a house! But that seems to be what you are getting
at: HK people are not mature enough to have this political change,
right? BTW, you haven't answer my previous question: what is your
criteria of judging "maturity" and "enough" and based on what facts
you come to your conclusion. Could you kindly elaborate?

> Think about whether we need it first, before you think of any actions
> to do that. ...

That sounds reasonable. OK, I'm thinking ...

> If we don't need that kind of democracy, there is no
> point talking about whether it violates the Basic Law or Joint
> Declaration.

Yeah. ... still thinking ... Done!
Now, after I think thrice, I realized how important that kind of
democracy is to us. So, let's go back to this point whether Patten's
plan has violated the BL/JD. Do you have any INFO.?

Steven
-- 
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: R12686@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Avent Yuen)
Subject: Re: real singers
Organization: Motorola
Date: 15 Oct 1992 08:33:04 HKT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jlee@shearson.com (Jeff Lee)
Subject: Re: real singers
Organization: Lehman Brothers, NY
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:01:29 GMT

I agree with most of your picks, but the following is my picks.

real singers
alan tam, leslie, roman, Ah Lam, lui fong(girl side)
sally, sandy, yip lai yee, pricillia chan, Shirley

bad ones are the rest.

......................................................................

I CANNOT HELP MYSELF FROM SAYING THAT
   LESLIE CHEUNG = LAU TAK WAH, KWOK FU SHING & LAI MING like,
                 = just selling "face"

I do not have any prejudice on him, but from my opinion,
he does not have a good voice really.  This post probably
will get a lot of flames, but as I said, I cannot help.  :-)
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HK High School CS syllabus
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:18:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Oct15.001830.18157
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

yeun0001@student.tc.umn.edu (Henry Yeung) writes:

>I took the class three years ago. The syllabus covered most of the stuffs
>that will be tought in C. (except pointers) Actually, BASIC is quite good
>for beginners but I think it should be replaced by Pascal or C in the near
>future.

I agree with you that Pascal, C, ADA (or Scheme for those MIT folks out there
;) would be a much better environment for someone to learn to program.
Nevertheless, I cant say bad things about BASIC... :)

>>
>>When I was studying CS in high school (in Hong Kong--which was 5 years ago), 
>>the education dept. was still using Commodore PC (an IBM XT clone) and 
>Gee.. you're better than me. I used BBC (full name??) for the class.

Mmm... that's interesting.  I remember some schools used BBC also... but the\
interesting point is that the Commodore PCs are assigned by the education
department of Hong Kong, my teachers didn't explicitly request IBM clones
from them... and my school isn't particularly rich either.  I wonder why
there are such unfairness.  

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
From: wud@acf5.NYU.EDU (David C. Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: * * M U S I C * *
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:03:18 GMT
Organization: New York University, New York

IMO, the Motion Picture Sountrack of the fabulous baker boys is a pretty
good CD to start with if anyone want to get into jazz.  The music is by 
Dave Grusin.  The tunes on the disc is not very hard core jazz.  Some of the
stuff shoud be relatively easy to swallow for people used to HK pop muisc
(yuck!).  And there are some lite jazzy ensemble pieces and also some
classic standards.  Good stuff!  That will do more good to one's brain
cells than those pop stuff.
-Dave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yeun0001@student.tc.umn.edu (Henry Yeung)
Subject: Re: real singers
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:24:33 GMT

In article <Bw1Hp6.AI6@acsu.buffalo.edu> v050qh6y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT) writes:
>
>
>real singers             bad singers who dont deserve the credit
>
>1 leslie cheung          1 leon lai
>2 roman (law man)        2 lam chi wing 
>3 jackie cheung          3 alan tam
			    ^^^^^^^^ 
			    He sings bad in the 90's, but not in the 80's.
>4 hacken lee             4 aaron kwok
>5 grasshopper            

>
>1 jenny (yun lay)        1 vivian chow she has a nice voice, but not much 
>2 anita mui                  singing ability
>3 sandy lam              2 may fung lee
   ^^^^^^^^^
   I didn't find any improvement in her last few albums (You know,  she just 
   like singing the song after a 100-meter dash.) IMO, a good singer
   should improve her/his singing skill from his/her previous experience.
   I'd say Priscilla Chan is better than her.

>4 sally yeh              3 veronica yip
>5 yip lai yee            4 too many to name


>
>once again, opinions accepted with open arms


-- 
/Henry
--------------------Henry Yeung (KB0HWV)---------------------
---------------(yeun0001@student.tc.umn.edu)-----------------
-----------University-of-Minnesota-at-Twin-Cities------------
From: garyng@gnct.com (garyng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Software Piracy in HK
Keywords: Software Privacy, CDROM, Economy
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:56:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: gnct.qoo2qB1w165w
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

s907459@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Ka Wo Anthony Liu) writes:

> By pass Jardine.  Get a copy of "Byte" magazine or "PC" magazine.
> Go to the back and try to find some mail order, get their number and
> fax a request for pricing.  If the price is right then mail order it.
> It should be much cheaper this way.
> 
> If Novell announced price is marked up by Jardine that much, why not
> try getting a copy from Novell directly.  Faxing  a request may save
> you a lot of money.
> 

I know someone who is high enough in Novell(HK) that I basically can get
what I want free. But for normal procedure, he told me if I want to 'buy'
I should ask Jardine.

> Ah, just found one.  It's called "The Programmer's Shop", details follow:
> 	FAX: 617-749-2018
> 	Phone : 800-421-8006
> 		800-446-1185
> 		800-446-3846
> 	Addr  : 90 Industrial Park Road, Hingham, MA 02043. Canada.
> 	Credit card orders proccessed only when product is shipped.
> 	Internation prices will vary. (Check with them first)
> 
> This people specialise in dealing with development software.
> Good Luck. Do tell me if it is successful.
> 
> Have fun,
> Anthony.

What I want to give is only an example on how customer are treated here. 
Bypassing local distributor does not always work. Take Microsoft for example,
No mail house will mail their product outside USA.

For my problem, I have friends in the state who can buy me anything I want.
So this is not a problem anyway. Thanks for the suggestion and help anyway.

-gary
From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Date: 16 Oct 1992 06:46:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <oyang.719214672@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au> oyang@cs.monash.edu.au (Kai Shing O'Yang) writes:
>If someone believes in a religion and prays for decades and doesn't
>get a reply from his God/god/gods, when he sees someone else's religion
>is getting 'miracles' etc, would he question about why he believes
>in his religion? Alright, it is a matter of 'faith', but people does
>have the freedom to choose. I would say it is most reasonable that
>this guy have a second thought about his religion and considering
>switching. It is not a matter of honour or what, rather it is a matter
>of bravery and wisdom.
>
>To some extent, people have to be realistic. If one finds that his
>beliefs doesn't offer what he needs, better look for another one.
>
>Kai Shing
Don't mean to be heretical or what not, but I'm sure my views are not
totally orthodox or dogma or what not  <===my disclaimer...so don't
flame me, rather let's have a discussion.  <===my 2nd disclaimer
My theory:
	First off, I got interested in church when I got up here for
2 reasons.  1st, it's kinda impressive (or so I thought at the beginning)
to be a Christian (or of any faith, but "You go to church?" girls eyes
kinda light up sometimes....(or so I thought at the beginning).
	Second, I had at that time been struggling with a few problems:
1) What is there besides the traditional HK life (ie, make lots of
	money, get a pretty wife, get a nice big house, get fancy
	cars...materials materials materials)?
2) What -is- my purpose in life?   (same as 1)
3) Where can I find companionship/friendship
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Just Babbling   <bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu>   state of confusion"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: real singers
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:22:39 GMT
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In article <Bw324L.4wG@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> godwin@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Godwin Yung) writes:
>In article <Bw1Hp6.AI6@acsu.buffalo.edu> v050qh6y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT) writes:
>>
>>
>>real singers             bad singers who dont deserve the credit
>>
>>1 leslie cheung          1 leon lai
>>2 roman (law man)        2 lam chi wing 
>> 3 jackie cheung         3 alan tam
>>4 hacken lee             4 aaron kwok
>>5 grasshopper            
>
>How come 3 out of 5 big tin wong are in the bad singer list???
>Hmmmm........... Interesting .... ;-)

Though Alan Tam is not a very good singer, he doesn't deserve
to be called a bad singer.  I would transfer grasshopper to the
bad singers list.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca (SHING-YAN EDDIE SY LING)
Subject: Re: looking friends!
Originator: cs911364@c04.ariel.yorku.ca
Keywords: hope
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:41:31 GMT


In article <1astnkINNtc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, hli@bcm.tmc.edu (Hua Li) writes:
>> I am looking friends!
>> 
>> 


Well..... what kind of friends are u looking for???? 8-)

Eddie Ling
cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca