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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Gracie
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:57:12 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <todd.1@deepspace.ucsb.edu> todd@deepspace.ucsb.edu (Todd Gaier) writes:
>was allowed to train along with them because few of them were able to keep up
>with me in a ne-waza (ground training).

	I've seen that happen with good wrestlers, too.  

>The bottom line is: if you fall during a street fight, nothing can help you 
>better than some knowledge of Gracie tecniques... 

	Do they use wrestling and judo moves in some unique combination or
do they have their own entire set of techniques?
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: Having to be hit three times
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:04:17 GMT

In article <C0Ftx0.4HM@wilber.rich.nt.com>, bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com
(Brad Webb) writes:
|> 
|> >ssammy@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul Sammy 4th Year iE/CES) WRITES:
|> >
|> > hmm, I was staying with a friend over the holidays, and her sister is in the
|> > British Army- I was told that someone had to be struck 3 times before
|> > retaliation could be construed as self-defence.
|> >
|> 
|>  I had heard the same thing about eleven years ago.  It was used by a judge
|> in an Illinois trial for a policeman using excessive force against an 
|> assailant.  The assailant was using a baseball bat, the officer using his 
|> fists, the officer was a black belt in an unknown martial art.  The judge 
|> said that the officer should not have hit the suspect after the suspect 
|> swung the bat the first time.  The  officer should have waited "until the
|> third time."    
|> 
|> Only heresay, from eleven years ago.

I hope it is ONLY heresay.  If true, the judge is a idiot and applying
only his opinion.  I does not take martial arts training to kill
someone with a baseball bat with one strike.  With martial arts
training, one can kill with one empty handed strike.  An
experienced street fighter might be able to kill with one strike.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: villano_d@sol.rtsg.mot.com (villano_d)
Subject: Re: Gracie
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:30:54 GMT

Does any one knows a Gracie school/instractor in Chicago area?

Thanks,

Dan.

villano_d@csg06.rtsg.mot.com
From: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Beer War
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:38:31 GMT
Reply-To: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1993Jan03.231802.14197@wisdom.bubble.org> bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
>Heh.  The mental picture of people with supersoakers full of beer was 
>inescapable.

Ohhh shit...

You had to bring up supersoakers, didn't you??

Go easy on him, Mary.

David Poore
poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 15:03:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.171923.6433@desire.wright.edu> jchristian@desire.wright.edu writes:
>abdominals.  Ida Rolf reports that in order to maintain abdominal balance, the
>rectus abdominals must be balanced with the psoas, which lie rather deep and
>are difficult to affect through voluntary exercises.

	In all the literature that I'm familiar with, the psoas are worked by
leg lifting exercises, and situps: they bend you at the hips.

>  However, some stretches
>to keep the psoas limber will minimize the imbalance.

	My personal experience is that its tough to hit the psoas with a
stretch - what stretch do you use?


--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Finishing techniques
Keywords: aikido, picky
    <1993Jan4.131042.28152@ms.uky.edu> <4459@unisql.UUCP>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:31:22 GMT

In article <4459@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.131042.28152@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>>[kotegaeshi] isn't a hold or a throw, I think; it should be a break, properly
>>performed.  
>	
>	Well, I've been taught that you only need to tighten the wrist
>enough to connect to the arm and that there shouldn't be much pressure
>on the wrist at all never mind enough to break it...   
>
>	Like, is ikkyo "at the elbow" or "at the wrist" or do you use the
>wrist to connect to the elbow to connect to the shoulder to move her center?
>
>									wr
>
[insert One Tru Way diatribe]
]

My understanding of the technique is that the wrist isn't the real target, 
but the forearm.  One wants to move the palm toward the wrist; this
seems to make for better transmission of force to the forearm.

If you set the wrist and then use some good hip snap, it seems reasonable
that you should be able to break someone's arm, although I have never
actually broken anyone's arm.  Or, if you apply it to cause pain,
uke will helpfully break his own balance in an attempt to alleviate
the pain.

Charles Yeomans

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: moore@esseye.si.com (David Moore)
Subject: Re: Aikido in Ann Arbor
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:11:29 GMT

Just for clarity, I believe that they are no longer affiliated with
Yoshinkai. I believe that Shioda sensei "excummunicated" Kushida.


In <1992Dec31.043405.12802@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gordon.Wormser@launchpad.unc.edu (Gordon Wormser) writes:
>Address:  749 Airport Blvd., Suite 4; Ann Arbor, MI 
>Phone:  (313) 662-4686
>Shihan:  Kushida Sensei, 8th Dan 
>Senseis:  Akira Kushida, Godan, Hisako Kushida, Godan 
>Contact:  Larry Peck (313) 761-3868 eve. (313) 747-0056 days 
>Affiliat:  AYANA (Aikido Yoshinkai Association of North America) headquarters
>           
>University of Michigan Aikido Club 
>Address:  Intramural Sports Building; 606 E. Hoover; Ann Arbor, MI 
>Shihan:  Kushida Sensei, 8th Dan
>Contact:  Dan Kaiser (313) 995-9592, 973-1300 
>Affiliat:  AYANA
>--
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>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Book Review desired
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:39:01 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <C0LGLy.Mxz@sju.edu>, tmoody@sju.edu (T. Moody) writes:
> 
> I have seen advertisements for a book entitled, I think, _Okinawan
> Karate_, by a man named Bishop (Michael, maybe).  Sorry about the
> vagueness, but I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this book and,
> if so, would they recommend it as an accurate, thorough, source of
> information?

I have this little gem and consider it very good. Not that I know anything
about the accuracy etc, however, the head of the American branch of my 
style also considered it very good.

Bishop spent a decade or so living in Okinawa (this, according to the 
cover notes) and has (high) dans in several styles. He talked to just
about everyone he could who was involved in the local karate scene.
Many pictures, chock full of info. Would seem to counter a myth or two.

Well worth getting. A related but not as good book is George Alexander's
"Okinawa, Isle of Karate" (not to be confused with "Okinawa, Isle of 
Mystery, Land of Enchantment" :) which I swear seems to be pretty much
a clone of Bishop's book, but good none the less.

Rich Travsky                  Division of Information Technology
University of Wyoming         rtravsky @ uwyo . edu
"Another day, another mind boggling adventure" - Spaceman Spiff
From: jbuhl@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Buhl)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Judo-gif #2 posted
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:37:20 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

I've posted another picture of a Judo-technique on the newsgroup
alt.binaries.pictures.misc, labeled tsurikomigoshi.gif, parts 1-3.

/jb
From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Subject: MA in Phoenix area?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:40:28 GMT

I may be moving out of this Winter torture zone, Michigan to Phoenix, AZ
soon and I was wondering:  can anybody suggest a good Kung Fu teacher in
the area?  I've been studying Northern Long Fist, a little Hsing-Yi,
some Praying Mantis and various weapons and would like to continue
something similar (i.e., I LIKE IT!!! :-).  Tai Chi might be
interesting, but I'd prefer something a little more hard.  A good
Hsing-Yi or Pa Kua teacher would be GREAT, but I know that's rare.

Someone in the area please email me as I have a few thousand questions
for you. :-)


-- 
Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
	<C0ILLx.M5@sju.edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:44:07 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:58:45 GMT, tmoody@sju.edu (Todd) said:

Todd> A related issue:  Some martial artists may have large waists due to
Todd> extremely developed abdomenal muscles, rather than fat.  This is an
Todd> effect that Western bodybuilders try to avoid, but one should not infer
Todd> from the absence of a small waist that a martial artist is carrying a
Todd> lot of extra abdomenal fat.

Yup.  Anyone remember Vasily Alexiev, the russian Weightlifter.  He
was HUGE including a large, bulging, muscular stomach.  His shoulderrs
were so broad he couldn't go through doors straight, but his belly was
to protuberant he couldn't go sideways, either.  I recall seeing him
do a sort of double twist:  first twist and stick the shoulders
through, then twist back as the rest of his body followed.

But I wouldn't call him fat--at least not if he were in the room!
--


Michael D. Hirsch		mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu    
Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771       
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From: cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans)
Subject: Re: Re: MOTHER PICKS UP CAR
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:29:48 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

P.N.F. stands for Proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation.  As i 
understand it, the idea is to contract the muscle you're trying to
stretch against static resistance for about 8 seconds, then relax 
into the stretch.  I do not have a clue as to why it works, but I have 
found it effective.

Charles Yeomans

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Aikido - udekimenage
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:52:34 GMT


   I would like a translation of the throw udekimenage - 
   "arm focus throw" is the best I can come up with, but I think 
   that "kime" might mean something else in this context. The 
   throw itself is identical to a tachidori (sword-taking)
   technique - nage places left arm underneath both of uke's, 
   right hand grabs sword hilt from above (twisting it clockwise),
   nage throws uke by projecting forward.  Uke's right arm can be 
   broken if the pressure is applied on the elbow.  I have only 
   seen the term used in Yamada's _New_Aikido_Complete. 
  
   Anyone know for sure?

      -- Ted --

==========================================================
  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate Kata question: tekki series
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:56:02 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.185541.14864@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
>Yes, all the tekkis (shodan, nidan, sandan) have movements to right and left but
>they are different from each other in the means of blocks, counter and block,
>internal feelings inside the body, timing and etc. 
>Tekki sandan is more difficult than the other two tekkis. I like all the 
>tekkis and tekki sandon is my favorite.
>
>How is the naihanchi kata compare to tekkis in Shotokan?.
>

I'm not sure I really know what you're asking. "Naihanchi" is the original
name for the series of kata that  Shotokan-descended Japanese karate systems
call "Tekki". There are numerous differences in the way individual styles 
perform particular kata in this series, just as different styles perform the Pinan/Heian
series differently. Most Okinawan styles perform these kata *quite* similarly 
to the  way Shotokan performs them - although the kiba-dachi (horse stance)
used by most Okinawan systems is a little bit narrower than that favored 
by most of the Shotokan stylists. Individual techniques may be performed
differently. For example, I believe that the first technique in the Shotokan
version of Tekki Shodan is a block with the back of an open hand. In the style
I practice (Matsubayashi Shorin-ryu), this is a  haito (inner knife hand, i.e.
thumb side of knife hand) block (other interpretations of this technique abound, but
let's keep this simple). I know of at least one Okinawan style that does a backfist,
instead. Some styles perform sweeping/stomping foot techniques at various places
in the kata, some do not. Some versions of Naihanchi Sandan incorporate oblique
versions of zenkutsu-dachi (forward stance) and kicks (I have heard that these
versions are in fact *older*) - most (including the version that my style practices)
do not. 

Steve
From: cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Attitide to female during sparring.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:06:42 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
Distribution: world
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X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hello all,
We sometimes have free-sparring in our karate lession, semi-contact (ie. touch
blows) between men and women.
I am interested to hear about the attitides of people, about this.

Should I as a man just treat the woman as an opponent and go in as hard as
I would as if I was against another man, or should I put on 'kid-gloves'.?

There are 2 sides to this!

	The idea is that we leave all ranks and positions outside the dojo
	when we train, and shouldn't discriminate against women. Also in a 
	real life situation an attacker might not be so discriminate.

	Women are 'mostly' not as physically strong as men, and so are at a
	disadvantage, and should be trated accordingly.

I presume that both parties, have sufficient skill in their techniques.

I am just worried, that if males treat women differently in the dojo, it might
be causes more harm than good. ie Not preparing them against a person on the
street who has no problems bashing women.

I would like both opinions from men and women.

Thanks for your suggestions..

Regards..

Vlod Kalicun.   cs_e445@kingston.ac.uk
email or post.
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From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for book on stretching!
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:25:13 GMT

...pick up a copy of Muscle&Fitness magazine.  Many books and
videos on stretching are listed...

Later,
Joe

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From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:19:23 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

 
> Any opinions on this?  Is getting rid of fat and building muscles up in
> and around the stomach area good or bad?

Men's Health reports that the abdominals are the single most important muscle
group for athletes, since they essentially control the torso movements.  Since
the abdominals are responsible for flexing the spinal column forward, and
sideways, as well as twisting motions about the spine, then proper abdominal
development is necessary in order to maximize your ability to perform those
motions efficiently.  Also, the abdominals serve to compress the abdominal
cavity and protect your innards, so that's another important function to keep
in mind.  I've also read that development of the abdominals is essential for
any sort of atheltic balance.

Not surprised that there are martial artists who work hard and are strong but
have a gut.  Reports are that the time period required for aerobic activity is
6-12 minutes (minimum) before you even begin to burn body fat.  Most martial
arts don't have that sort of intense activity planned as part of the program,
so it typically falls upon the individual practioners to take up the slack
(jogging, aerobics, swimming, whatever).

I've also read that care has to be taken not to overdevelop the rectus
abdominals.  Ida Rolf reports that in order to maintain abdominal balance, the
rectus abdominals must be balanced with the psoas, which lie rather deep and
are difficult to affect through voluntary exercises.  However, some stretches
to keep the psoas limber will minimize the imbalance.  Rolf was concerned about
overdeveloped abdominals weakening the psoas, producing postural/structural
problems later.  I'm also a big believer in regularly stretching the abdominals
as well as developing them.  Doing some yoga-type cobra stretches are pretty
good for making sure that the abdominals stay loose as well as powerful.

Personally, I do basic crunches to develop my abs, and then stretch them
afterward (I also do bridges to help with that process).  I also try to stretch
the myofacial structures running across the hip joint (typically a motion that
bends the thigh backward), since that is the point where the psoas seem most
superficial.

Jeff
From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Martial arts and the gut
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:37:18 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

 
>>  However, some stretches
>>to keep the psoas limber will minimize the imbalance.
> 
> 	My personal experience is that its tough to hit the psoas with a
> stretch - what stretch do you use?

Proper name for the position escapes me.  Basically a very deep lung, making
sure back leg is off the ground.  Put hands together and stretch them over your
head while you arch backward.  Takes a bit of balance, but it provides a strong
stretch on those hip flexors.  Hope that made sense visually.

Jeff
From: Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: home defense
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 09:53:00 -0500

CW>...I live right outside DC, have a big dog and a Glock,
CW>and am doing very well with regard to the criminal element.

Out here on the saltgrass prairie, damn near everybody hunts waterfowl.
This implies a certain familiarity with shotguns and the presence of
various types of dogs.  There's even a TKD dojang that offers firearms
as part of its self-defense classes.

Most of the criminal types stay in Houston. We leave the worring about
poor, misunderstood criminals and their motivation to the folks that get
paid for that sort of thing. If we catch 'em, shame on 'em.

Peace in our time,

Tom
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Re: Book Review desired
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:28:00 +0000

tmoody@sju.edu (T. Moody) writes:
>I have seen advertisements for a book entitled, I think, _Okinawan
>Karate_, by a man named Bishop (Michael, maybe).  Sorry about the
>vagueness, but I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this book and,
>if so, would they recommend it as an accurate, thorough, source of
>information?


I think you are referring to Okinawan Karate by Mark Bishop
(ISBN 0-7136-5666-2) I chanced upon it in a book shop about 3 weeks
ago. I found it fascinating reading. Mark Bishop has lived and trained
on Okinawa for fifteen years and I think the book is well researched
and well written. Mainly for anyone who is interested in the roots of
karate, and the main people responsible for it's development.


Bill Burgar.
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Re: Karate Kata question: tekki series
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:17:00 +0000



makund (acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU) writes:
>i have a question about shotokan tekki shodan, nidan and sandan.
>
>the movement for tekki shodan is more or less left/right. is that the
>same for tekki nidan as well as tekki sandan?
>
>(by left/right i mean if i were facing north, all my movement would be
>along east-west).
Yes.


>also, if this is any help i think that the okinawa version of the tekki
>series is called naihanchi.
Yes it is.


>thanks,
>
>mukund


I have seen a version of Naihanchi that does not use a straight line
embusen (line of performance) in  the book Scientific Karate-do. 
Anyone else know of any variances from the straight line performance.






Steve Gombosi (sog@craycos.com) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.185541.14864@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
>>Yes, all the tekkis (shodan, nidan, sandan) have movements to right and left but
>>they are different from each other in the means of blocks, counter and block,
>>internal feelings inside the body, timing and etc.
>>Tekki sandan is more difficult than the other two tekkis. I like all the
>>tekkis and tekki sandon is my favorite.
>>
>>How is the naihanchi kata compare to tekkis in Shotokan?.
>>
>
>I'm not sure I really know what you're asking. "Naihanchi" is the original
>name for the series of kata that  Shotokan-descended Japanese karate systems
>call "Tekki". There are numerous differences in the way individual styles
>perform particular kata in this series, just as different styles perform the Pinan/Heian
>series differently. Most Okinawan styles perform these kata *quite* similarly
>to the  way Shotokan performs them - although the kiba-dachi (horse stance)
>used by most Okinawan systems is a little bit narrower than that favored
>by most of the Shotokan stylists. Individual techniques may be performed
The narrower stances (according to Kanazawa's kata books) were not called
kiba dachi, but naihanchin dachi and one other (I can't remember it and I
don't have the books to hand), certainly those stances are narrower and
higher.


Bill Burgar.