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From: eyal@echo.canberra.edu.au (Eyal Lebedinsky)
Subject: fly8 pcdos simulator/game (beta)
Summary: I put it on wuarchive for ftp
Keywords: program,pcdos
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date:  3 Oct 92 00:59:06 GMT

Hi

I got many requests for the program (very few answers about HUD) so I
put it up for ftp.

What is it? it is a flight simulator/game (wire frame) in an initial
state, I would call it beta since it has some bugs (will hang my machine
at least once a week) and the doco is VERY minimal. I do wire frame to
gain speed in higher resolutions, other platforms may prefer filled
polygons. It will do stereo as red/blue, stereoscopic and Sega glasses
on serial port (not fast enough unless you have a fast 486).

What machine will it run on? msdos. anything less that a 386DX will
suffer in performace (read 'quality'). If you have an ET4000 vga card
then you win big as I have a very fast driver for it. A friend had no
trouble porting it to his amiga and I believe it will post easily to
other platforms.

Where is it? wuarchive.wusts.edu: pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/fly8.arc

Important notes:
1 read the fly.ini file and adjust the parameters. The default is to run
in EGA mode 640x350. Higher modes work well only on the ET4000 because
the QuickC library will not do double buffering on higher resolution and
you will get too much flicker.
2 The networking will run on a serial line or on top of a packet driver
(it which case you can have many players).
3 run the program using fly.bat and note that a file fly.log is created.
If the program does not start then see what the log says.
4 Any problems, questions, suggestions etc. - let me know, I am
interested.
5 the program settimer in fly.bat is needed to ensure that the system
timer is in the proper mode (many programs change the mode which is OK
for dos but kills any other timer-dependent programs).

Back to my initial request regarding HUD: after you start the program,
do a Ctrl-u which will bring up the hud (now do a Ctrl-e and Ctrl-d for
a demo run). I would appreciate comments and critisizm of the HUD.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: HUTTER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Wolfgang Hutter)
Subject: FS for ATARI?
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:13:41 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi there!

I own an ATARI with 4 MBytes of RAM and would like to know if there is 
any equivalent for the FS 4 for the ATARI platform. I only know of FS 2.

Some ATARI users with experience out there?

Wolfgang Hutter <><

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: eandersn@mach1.wlu.ca (Niels Ejvind Andersen)
Subject: Re: Flight Simulator 4.0
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:12:49 GMT

James E. Jones (james@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu) wrote:
: Speaking of Flight Simulator 4.0, can anyone tell me the differences between
: that and version 3.0?

Among its many new features, version 4.0 has a glider.  I'm a power pilot,
but the glider is fun to fly.

: Is it worth getting an upgrade?

Affirmative!
--
Niels Ejvind Andersen          eandersn@mach2.wlu.ca / 70511.2302@compuserve.com
Information Systems                                  Phone: (519) 884-1970 x2760
Wilfrid Laurier University                           Fax:         (519) 886-9351
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From: brooke@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Air Warrior (WWII multiplayer combat sim)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 07:09:22 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

Howdy, folks.  Just saw this newsgroup and figured some of you might
be interested in a description of Air Warrior (hereafter called "AW").
AW is a multiplayer WWII air-combat flight sim.  People run the flight
sim on their PC's (or Macs, Amigas, or Atari ST's), and the PC's then
use GEnie (an online service like Compuserve or Prodigy) to communicate
with the other players (sending updates of planes positions and attitudes,
radio messages, etc.).

This is an awesome game.  Imagine flying around in a plane as you would
in Hellcats or FS 4.0 except that the other planes in the sky are controlled
by real people.  There are three contries, various airfields, buildings and
other ground targets (including AA emplacements) to destroy, and a host of
planes to choose from (P-51 Mustang, F4U Corsair, P-38 Lightning, Spitfire,
Me109, FW 190, Zeke, Ki-84, Yak, A-26, B-17, Mosquito, Betty, Ju88, C-47,
for troops and supplies, and even tanks and jeeps).  The fighters are
single-person, of course, but the bombers have positions for the pilot and
gunners -- so you actually load up other people before you take off.
It's an extremely fun virtual air-combat world.

The planes are supposedly very realistic in their performance with the
exception of things like spins and accelerated stalls (although rumor has
it that these will soon be added).  All of the model planes match the real
planes in roll rate, time to climb, speed, etc.

I flew at a place called "Air Combat USA" where you go up in a real plane
and have dogfights with other people, and I was surprised at how close 
AW was to the real thing.

There is a drawback, however:  the price.  AW costs $6/hour to play, and
some people end up spending A LOT of money.  However, if you are a WWII
air-combat maven -- or if you love combat flight sims -- this one can't be
beat.  No matter how good you are at box flight sims, be prepared to get
your ass shot out of the sky frequently while you are learning how much
more difficult it is to fight real, experienced opponents and while you
gain experience.  It does take time to develop situational awareness and
the skills needed for dogfights.  If you lose sight of an experienced enemy,
you will most likely die.  If you are in a Corsair and try angles fighting
(instead of energy fighting) against a Zeke, you will most likely die.

If people would like, I can upload an account or two of my participation.
It will give you a stronger feel for what the game is typically like.
I can't say enough about this game -- there is nothing else like it (except
perhaps if you are in the military).
From: morris@mksol.dseg.ti.com (jerry a morris)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Re: F.S 4.0
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:15:15 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <1992Oct5.161818.9767@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.075458.13875@nntp.hut.fi> k39617c@saha.hut.fi (Jyrki Majam{ki) writes:
|> 
|> You are stuck with what MS provides in the pacakge.  If you want more radio
|> nav-aids and such, either buy subLOGIC scenery disks, Mallard scenery disks,
|> or the A&SD and add your own.
|>    FltSim is designed as an expandable simulator, so what you buy is the 
|> "framework" upon which the expansions are added.
|> 
|> -- 
|> John Mechalas                                          "I'm not an actor, but
|> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 I play one on TV."
|> Aero Engineering, Purdue University                     #include disclaimer.h


I got a question about sublogic scenery disks.

A couple years ago i bought the disk with dallas on it. I think i loaded it 
per instrutions. But there was no scenery. I found the runways to love field
which is almost downdown dallas by lat. and longitude.

there were no roads, major interstates, and no buildings.  the runways
were where they were there but no buildings.

Is this the way it was suppose to be or did i load it wrong?

Any comments welcome and help would be even better.
thanks in advance
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: drinckes@csl.dl.nec.com (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Sun Aviator users??
Organization: TSSC New Zealand
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:16:57 GMT

Is there anyone out there with Aviator for Sun workstations?

I have subscribed to the aviator mailing list but am getting 
nothing at all.

Specifically, are there any more aircraft descriptions and
scenery available?

-- 
Doug Rinckes, Network Administrator | My companys opinions are
Telecommunications Systems Support  | like my companys cars - 
Centre New Zealand Ltd              | They don't trust me with
drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp          | either.

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Carl Pettypiece)
Subject: Re: approaches to midway, o'hare
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:08:46 GMT

In article <1OCT199217362544@comb1.comb.umd.edu> belas@comb1.comb.umd.edu (BOB AT COMB) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.185115.19677@news.acns.nwu.edu>, tracy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Phil Tracy) writes...
>>Hi,
>> 
>>A pilot friend of mine is looking for some kind of simulator with
>>approaches (relatively realistic, I guess) to Midway and/or O'Hare.
>>Can you use these kind of add-ins with MS Flight Simulator?  Where
>>can I buy such software?  thanks for your help.
>> 
>>   -Phil
>> 
>> 
>Phil-
>	If your friend has MS FS4.0 and the Aircraft and Scenery Designer
>addon, you can get a HUGH number of scenery including very detailed approaches
>to Midway and O'hare.  (That is, as detailed as an IBM PC will allow.)  Most
>of the scenery resides on Compuserve in the Flight Simulator group's library.
>If you want the Midway-O'hare scenery, let me know and I'll see what I can
>do.
>
>		"Ignorance is a
>		 voluntary misfortune."
>		  -- Nicholas Ling
>		
>		Bob (Belas@comb3.comb.umd.edu)

I'd be very interested in such detailed scenery for FS4.  Could
this be uploaded to an FTP site since I don't have access to
Compu$erve.  O'Hare/Midway or any others.  I am aware of
ulowell's site but as of now they only have one area.  Thanks to
anyone who can help.

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl Pettypiece (pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca)        Disclaimer:  Hell, I don't
Department of Computer Science                   even know if these are MY
University of Western Ontario                    opinions!
From: brian@porky.contex.com (Brian Love)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: help -- I've joined the Moonies!
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:04:32 GMT
Organization: Xyvision Design Systems

In article <BvBBtw.DA3.2@cs.cmu.edu>, dst+@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) writes:
>Things are going well, but I have a few questions to ask the more
>experienced Mooney devotees out there:
>
Having only 20 hours in my new Mooney I'm certainly not experienced, but
I am a devotee.

>1) One of the birds we're flying is a 1978 model with a Piper Arrow-style
>throttle quadrant.  I could swear I've seen newer Mooneys with push-pull
>knobs, like in the Cessna singles and, of course, like the older Mooneys.
>Was 1978 an odd year, or am I hallucinating again?
>
I can only give you one data point.  Our 1981 Mooney 201 has Cessna-style
knobs.

>2) What's the story with the gear horn?  Sometimes it sounds a continuous
>
This is not what happens in our airplane.  It does beep on and off, but
once the gear is raised the horn goes off.

>3) The 201 has a Lycoming IO-360 engine.  Do you ever lean this for taxi to
>prevent plug fouling?  Our club is a stickler for leaning prior to taxi in
>
My checklist calls for leaning 1/2" for taxi.  I cannot confirm this
information comes from the operators manual.  I do know that even with
1/2" of leaning I still have plug fouling problems on the right mag at
runup, from time to time.

>4) For touch and goes, we've been doing our best to raise the flaps to the
>take-off position after adding full throttle but before rotating.  One of
>
Here's what I was taught:  Flaps to take-off position, cowl flaps open,
then full throttle.  The flap switch is easy to find and operate without
looking at it.  I find a count of 2 works reasonably well.  If the runway
is so short that postponing the power till I'm configured for take-off is
a problem, then I shouldn't be doing a touch-and-go.

>Thanks in advance,
>
Don't mention it...please.


Brian C. Love            |  Xyvision        |  Remember, you can put it in the
PP-ASEL-IA               |  Wakefield, MA   |  hands of your attorney, but you
M20J  N1024C  "Charlie"  |  (617) 245-4100  |  can't make it stand up in court.
From: rdj@adpgate.UUCP (Richard Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: aviation.gif files
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:19:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: curly.1605
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel) writes:
: Am curious if anyone has seen any good gif files out 
: there somewhere about aviation..? Maybe some close up
: vintange aircraft. Would be nice to FTP the files down
: if given an address.

Well, some people have generously started posting sailplane art in
alt.binaries.pictures.misc, although they are sometimes hard to separate
from the noise.

I have a few good photos of aircraft (Blue Angels at HIO, some aerobatic
stuff, some limited warbird things) that I might be willing to find and
figure out a scanner for if people are truly interested in seeing them.

I don't know about any archive sites for aviation art.  Anyone else
actually know something?  (And no, I didn't see this in the FAQ fro some
reason.  -- Hint, Geoff.) :=)
-- 
Richard Johnson  (rdj%adpgate.uucp@apple.com)  (richard@agora.rain.com)
Think.  Then act.
From: q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: What did you do to the rest of your shirt?
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:37:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <1992Sep27.223425.10803@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes:
>Jun Hamano writes:
>>  Today I was wearing my favorite T-shirt, washed clean and
>> perfectly ironed, which was very unusual.  My instructor cut the
>> back of it with scissors and hanged it on a wall of the FBO,
>Could somebody clue me in on what's going on here?  Is this some  
>bizarre flying ritual?  Never heard of it before.

It is quite typical of most flight schools to subscribe to
one or another method of marking the rites of passage of
a student.  In the military (including cadets), the rite
has been to throw the student in a lake as soon as s/he lands
and exits the aircraft from his/her first solo flight.  At
airfields where a suitable body of water is not available, I
have seen or heard of: cold showers, buckets o' water thrown
from close range, and even fire-hose showers.  All of the above,
naturally, while the student is still fully clothed.  Activities
at other flying clubs I have visited ranged from cutting the
bottom 6 inches off the student's tie, cutting a swath of cloth
from the studen't T-shirt, down to polaroid photos and the
conservative handshake.  In the case of clothing pieces, the
student and instructor usually sign and date the piece of cloth
before firmly (permanently?) attaching it to the wall.
I personally got the bucket brigade and my polaroid shot of the
"shower" proudly hung on the wall-of-fame.
-- 
Chris Rasley, PPSEL(+night), glider (student), ATC(tower) student.
CYFC, New Brunswick, Canada
From: monson@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Tom Monson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: SF Bay airshow in October?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:47:40 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

Did I miss the airshow over SF Bay or is it the Oct 10-11 weekend (or other)?
Does anybody have the particulars of this show?
                                                 Thanks,    TCMonson
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: mark@europa.ssc.goc (Mark Hall)
Subject: Re: Genave avionics
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:29:53 GMT

This post was supposed to ask if anyone has any info on Genave avionics.
Specifically I have come by a Genave audio panel (model TAU-200) for my 
homebuilt and would like to know if there is anybody who can tell me if
these units are reliable, worth reapiring, etc? What's the company history?
This unit looks just like a King; are they related? Are there any wiring diagrams
in the house?

                                          Thanks in advance,
                                          (hope this one makes it)
                                           Mark (mark@europa.ssc.gov)
From: jambon@imag.fr (Francis JAMBON)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Posting crash info
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:56:11 GMT
Organization: INPG/CSI, University of Grenoble, France

For information, the FNA, french equivalent of FAA, printed almost
every week abstracts of official crash repports (with conclusions).
The FNA printed that sometimes more than six momths after the crash
in order to be able to give conclusions, that's not repports like:
plane crash... x people died, but sometimes: engine's problems,
the pilot do that, safety emergency landing.
I think this way of crash repport can improve safety. 

	Francis JAMBON.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
From: kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf)
Subject: Learning to fly in Dallas.  Advice wanted
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Distribution: dfw
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:06:42 GMT

I would like to learn to fly and get my private pilot's license.
I have read several books about flying, have flown Microsoft's
simulator on my PC, and think it's about time to take lessons in
a real airplane.  Unfortunately, I don't know any pilots in the
area.  Specific questions I have are:

1.  I live near ADS and would probably want to learn there.  Is
ADS a good place to learn?

2.  Are there any flying schools you would recommend or recommend
against?  Any particular instructors?

3.  Are there any flying clubs or organizations I should know
about?

4.  What else should I know that I am not even knowledgeable
enough to know to ask?

Please reply by email or by telephone at 386-7659.  Thank you.

--George Kimeldorf
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong)
Subject: Re: Solo Rites
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:07:35 GMT

From article <1992Sep29.104436.10024@walter.cray.com>, by osh@cray.com (O'Shaughnessy John):
> 
> 
> I had my photo taken next to the plane.  No garment abuse for me!
> 
> 
> [And what if the instructor - student pairing is such that a ripped shirt
>  would be cause for a sexual harassment suit...]

Yeah, I wonder.  I assume this kind of thing is a *must* for the
airforce guys.  So, people, what happen to female candidates? 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: cap@selway.umt.edu (Charles A. Smith)
Subject: A conversation with an FAA accident inspector
Keywords: homebuilts, RV-4
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:10:27 GMT

I went to a GPS demo, and ended up talking to an FAA accident inspector
for an hour or so.  He said a few things that might be of general interest.

1) He was really down on homebuilts.  He said something like, "most
   accidents occur in homebuilts," or "most fatalities occur in homebuilts."
   
Didn't we cover this topic on the net recently?  I can't believe that
most *anything* occurs in homebuilts.  I appeal to Bayes!  There simply
aren't enough of them, are there?  What ARE the comparative accident
stats for certificated vs. homebuilt aircraft?

2) As annecdotal evidence of the failings of homebuilts in general, he
   told me the story of a fatal accident at West Yellowstone last year.
   A father/pilot/builder of an RV-4 was taking his son for a cross
   country flight in his newly completed plane.  He hadn't yet flown
   off his restrictions, so it was an illegal flight.  Everything was OK
   after departing Yellowstone, until the plane reached altitude, at which
   point, the engine could not develop much power.  The pilot turned back
   towards the airport, but decided to make a precautionary landing 
   in a meadow next to a Lake Yellowstone.  He missed the meadow by 50 feet,
   and landed in the lake.  The son swam free, but the father was trapped 
   in the submerged plane.  The man survived for several hours in an air pocket
   while his son made several attempts to extract him.  Eventually, the 
   father died.

   The FAA inspector had the plane removed from the lake.  He said that it
   was the finest workmanship that he had ever seen, with one exception.
   Apparently, the builder had subcontracted the installation of the 
   (Continental or Lycoming) engine to an auto mechanic.  The mechanic had
   fabricated an air intake for the engine which collapsed upon itself
   under certain circumstances, which restricted the flow of air to the 
   engine, which in turn reduced power output.  Furthermore, there was an 
   AD out for this engine which mandated the use of an alternate air source.
   None was provided for this RV-4.

   So anyway, the FAA inspector feels that the home-builder died because he was
   ignorant of something that an A&P would have known about.  And since 
   most home-builders are similarly ignorant of many things, homebuilts
   are bad news.

I don't agree with the man's logic, but the story is certainly food for 
thought.  Considering that he spends most of his time looking at crashed 
airplanes, I can appreciate his viewpoint.

Cap "I'm going to build anyway" Smith
-- 
Cap Smith                 Assistant Prof. of MIS           
cap@selway.umt.edu        University of Montana            
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From: Charles.K.Scott@dartmouth.edu (Charles K. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.homebuilt
Subject: Re: Seawinds Sea Plane Kit
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:02:06 GMT
 <1992Oct5.115522.20443@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <1992Oct5.170807.12692@news.arc.nasa.gov>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Oct5.170807.12692@news.arc.nasa.gov>
doshay@ursa.arc.nasa.gov (David Doshay) writes:

> Probably two reasons:
> 1) it is very normal in single engine sea planes to put the engine high
> 	to keep the prop away from water spray
> 2) if it faces forward you can use an off-the-shelf constant speed prop

I agree with you David, but all amphibs put the engine high, and
mounting the engine on a stalk behind the cockpit but facing forward
will accomplish the same thing but with far less difficulty.  I just
wonder if the engine was stuck there to "be different"?

Corky
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: GTE CONTEL DUAT new features
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:04:06 GMT

system@gnd1.wtp.contel.com (Marty Anilane) writes:

>In the last year, there have been several new features added to GTE
>CONTEL DUAT. Many users have missed their announcement and are unaware of 
>them. Here is a synopsis of the new features:

I was told a while ago that CONTEL would have a
'flight planner'...sort of like DTC <your buddies>
has..>BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER<...

I called and asked about it a month ago...i was told it was going to be
on line as on SEPT 1...well..it is SEPT 30..and still nothing.


--
           Marshal Perlman <> Florida Institute of Technology 
                    ***** perlman@zach.fit.edu ***** 
               Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land

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