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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 09:03:03 CST
From: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Reply-To: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM - Austin
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

In <1992Apr9.133124.11278@cs.cornell.edu> Rolando Vinluan writes:
>In article <iyyXiB8w164w@underg.UUCP> max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray) writes:
>>brooke@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson) writes:
>>
>>> Remember, we get news faster than most other people on the planet -- we
>>> know some things before even some IBM employees find out.  Don't be
>>> too discouraged -- if IBM is spending $40 million on advertising, you
>>> will eventually see a marketing blitz.
>>
>>This is true. The IBM Marketdroid was very concerned when I told him I had
>>been running the OS/2 2.0 beta for months. I had to explain to him how
>>anybody could get a copy from the Atlanta support bbs. It is amazing how
>>little they know about what is going on? What do they do all day?
>>
>
>   What do IBMer's do all day? Most of the time, read and reply to
>their PROFS messages. PROFS is their universe. There, in PROFS, they can
>play their office games: suck up to whoever manager they want to, get this
>order out, etc. There, they get new *IBM-only* information, which if they read it,
>they end up forgetting most of anyway.
>Sometimes, they go to their manager's office or a meeting, where they always say
>"Everything's all right." (and most managers are too ignorant
>to even begin doubting them). Sometimes, they might even do something productive,
>like install or demo this or that for a customer, or for people at a computer show.
>But most of them are not like you: They don't read PC Week or Infoworld, let
>alone PC Magazine or (heavens!) Byte. IBM gives them so much *IBM-only*
>manuals and brochures and stuff to read that even if they *wanted* to, they
>couldn't read anything else.
>
>   Of course, this mostly goes for SE's. Marketing Reps are too busy
>calling up or having lunch with customers at some expensive restaurant,
>and don't care about anything else other than making their quota.
>
>
>
This I know is sarcasm.  I personally think PROFS is the devil incarnate.

What to I do all day ?  I spend AT LEAST 2 hours a day keeping up with
this newsgroup and work I take upon myself to solve issues brought up here.

I go to 2 meetings a week (at the most).  One of these meetings has no
management in it.  It is simply a bunch of programmer talking about problems
and how to get around them.  The other is a weekly department meeting that
our manager holds to keep us abreast on our benefits and other crap that
none of us like to think about.

The rest of my time is devoted to C code, and lots of it.  I don't know
what goes at other IBM sites, but that's how it is in my little world.

(Oh yeah, I squeeze in a computer game over lunch break)

Gerry Thome
IBM - Austin
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: x27@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (T. Voelkering)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and 386SX?  How fast?
Organization: University of Heidelberg (Germany)
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 11:41:16 GMT

Yesterday I installed it on one of those great half computers (Mod 70, 4 MB,
20MHz, 160 ESDI)
The building of WPS after first boot took 15 minutes (only one or so on 
my noname 486/33/16).
It's performing really great :-)

Thomas
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 17:43:53 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Pause before you consider OS/2 (was Re: Win 3.1 not THAT great.)
 <DEMILLO.92Apr10140113@egeus.juliet.ll.mit.edu>
 <10APR199216033656@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
 <1992Apr10.212512.21047@midway.uchicago.edu>

Given the inaccurate, false and misleading information from magazines like
PC Mag or Infoworld, all of them sending out the message "in reality do not
buy OS/2" I was wondering sitting here in Europe whether end-users could
take legal actions against magazines giving intentionally wrong information.

I do not know how you feel, but I think it is too much now. All those
magazine writers got the opportunity to take serious looks to Win 3.1 and
32bit OS/2. If they claim simply untrue facts in order to push Microsoft
into the market and IBM out of the market (read Win 3.1 resp. 32bit OS/2)
to the disadvantage of unbiased readers who therefore cannot tap the power
of their 32bit machines, cannot take advantage of the excellent multitasking
features for their present DOS- and Windows-Programs and will not be able
to win with true 32bit OS/2-apps, then the situation is not only unethical
but deserves corrective actions, if not possible else, by legal steps.

I wonder how fast they would give their readers the true and hard facts if
taken responsible for what they write.

---rony
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: Manuals with OS/2 V.2 as shipped.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:00:31 GMT

>YES.  I would at least like the option of paying extra for a good
>set of manuals, even if it cost me $40.  Or how about making the
>manuals available in electronic format for $5 and let the enduser
>print it out?  

To follow up my own article, I got a good look at one of the red books
for OS/2 2.0.  It was Doc. #GG24-3731-00, and detailed the DOS and
Windows environments under OS/2.  It dealt with how to configure and
optimize MDOS, real DOS, Windows, DOS/Win applications, and had what
looked like a good index.  The IBM rep who showed me the doc said that
it had not been completed (the doc was a beta version :) but that it
should be available soon.  One of the things it dealt with was the
DOS settings for DOS sessions; this section looked pretty good and
went well beyond the explanations that are given to you in the small
window in the DOS settings menu in GA.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: quan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Quan)
Subject: Re: All GUIs are not alike
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:41:30 GMT

In article <CB.92Apr9134843@tamarack12.timbuk> cb@tamarack12.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
>
>My wife has been using MS Windows at work and recently added a Mac to her
>work environment (it's a fragmented environment where she needs both).  She
>was amazed at how much better the Mac interface is than Windows--more
>instinctive, more direct, fewer steps, etc.  (I have limited experience
>with either, so I have no opinion.)  So I'm wondering: how does the new
>OS/2 interface compare with these?  Is the interface closer in quality to
>Windows or to the Mac?
>

The OS/2 WorkPlace Shell is much more Mac-like than Windows. (Now that
IBM and Apple are partners, I guess we won't see Apple suing IBM
for look and feel)  If you'd like to get some idea of what it looks
like, buy the latest issue of PC Magazine (the one with both OS/2 and
Windows on the cover)

--Tony
quan@cs.stanford.edu
From: pebly@VNET.IBM.COM (Bob Pebly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: same partition for os/2 and windoze?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:18:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: mammoth.9204081226.AA22622
Reply-To: pebly@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Industrial Sector Division, Boca Raton, FL

In <JKF.92Apr7172720@frisky.Franz.COM> Sean Foderaro writes:
>  I've got Windows 3.1 installed on my hard disk.  Can I install os/2 2.0
>in the same partition of the disk and select either windows or os/2 at
>bootup time?   [I realize that I won't be using os/2's superior filesystem but
>it will make it easier to try os/2 out].
>
>-sean
>

Without re-partitioning or formatting, you can use the OS/2 Dual Boot
feature to have both OS/2 and DOS/Windows bootable from the same
partition.  Note that you don't choose which boots at IPL time using
Dual Boot, but you boot one O/S and then can tell it to boot the other
from the command line.

If you're willing to re-partition, you can install OS/2's Boot Manager
which allows you to select which partition boots on each IPL.  You can
then install DOS/Windows on your primary C: partition and put OS/2 2.0
on an extended logical partition (D: or E: for example).  In this
configuration, regardless of which O/S you boot, you can still access
both partitions.  Boot Manager requires a 1MB partition.

A configuration if you want to keep DOS, Windows, OS/2 1.3 & OS/2 2.0
on the same system is to partition the disk as follows:
  - Boot Manager partition
  - Primary partition for DOS/Windows & OS/2 1.3 (C:)
    (Dual boot used to switch between DOS/Windows & OS/2 1.3)
  - Extended logical partition for OS/2 2.0 (D:)
  - Extended logical partition for OS/2 & Windows swapper file (for
    performance)
  - Extended logical partition for data & applications

You can also have other primary partitions managed by Boot Manager that
contain other operating systems, but only 1 primary partition is
accessible at a time.

Bob Pebly

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's view, not those of IBM.
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: GA and ATM
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:45:09 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Apr17.030959.24652@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> nagel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Nagel) writes:
>	Since ATM is now an integral part of GA can it be disabled?  I have
>a few Windows Apps (Super Project, Turbo Tax, etc) that are incompatible
>with ATM (For some unknown reason).  Also a few apps that benifit greatly
>from ATM (AmiPro).  Will tehe incompatible programs work under GA or will
>I need to upgrade to OS/2 specific versions (If they will exists :>)

ATM for Win-OS/2 is just like the ATM for Windows.  So, yes, it can be
disabled.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kadorken@sabre.Thinkage.On.CA (Keith Dorken)
Subject: Re: os/2 2.0 for canadian
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:23:24 GMT

Thanks to Gord's message, I too was able to contact IBM. After 1/2 hour of busy
signals, I got through to a person (again, very polite) who informed me that the
Windows upgrade was available through authorized dealers as well as IBM. If I had
any problem with getting it from a dealer, then I could get it from IBM directly.

I now have the local Microage dealer tracking down (he wasn't yet aware of this)
the competetive upgrade details. 
--
Keith Dorken
Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Internet: kadorken@Thinkage.On.CA
-- 
Keith Dorken
Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Internet: kadorken@Thinkage.On.CA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Verdict on 2.0 ?
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:18:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

>

Guilty as charged.

Of course :-)  :-)  :-)



Luc


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Subject: Re: Manuals with OS/2 V.2 as shipped.
Originator: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:36:24 GMT

From article <52959@mimsy.umd.edu>, by pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus Rodriguez):
> I have been reading alot about the on-line manuals and bound manuals for OS/2.
> Does OS/2 come with BOUND MANUALS?  It seems that all it comes with is online
> docs.

Yes, OS/2 does come with a few booklets, most importantly a Guide to
Installation (since you can't put that online)...I posted a listing of
the included manuals yesterday...
From: jstewart@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: trident 8800c drivers
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:20:02 GMT
Organization: Wright State University


	Does anyone know if trident plans to develope 8800c drivers.  I looked
at the big trident chip on my card, and that's what it said.

						John Stewart
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: brooke@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Big problems with OS/2 2.0 GA
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:44:41 GMT

Jason:  Problems 1 and 3 sound like you have something set incorrectly
for your system.  I've heard of people using very fast communications
under OS/2 from the BACKGROUND even -- rates much faster than 9600 bps.
Also, Os/2 should be quite snappy with 8 MB of RAM.  Unfortunately,
I can't offer suggestions on what might be wrong (just reporting what
people with v2.0 have said -- I don't have it yet).

As for problem 2, well, DOS backup programs aren't all going to work.
Try not using any proprietary formatting on the floppies.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Subject: Re: Help! OS/2 in Denver
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:29:42 GMT

Jyri.Virkki@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jyri Virkki) writes:
     I guess the PC crowd has become brain damaged by being exposed
     too long to MsDos (and thinking it is an example of a real
     OS).

Well, I'm a brain damaged part of the PC crowd then.  Look you need
to explain what additional *functionality* you get for 30 MB.  If
it is enough (multi-tasking/threading, no 640k ram barrier) then
it is worth it.  Users don't *care* what the operating system is,
they want to work with their applications.  If better applications
can be written in OS/2 than in DOS (better from a users perspective
not a programmers perspective) then they will want to use them (as
long as they don't have to sacrifice their $1,000-5,000 software
investment).

Frank Fujita
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: gjm@cray.com (Gordon Miller)
Subject: Re: CAD under GA...?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:35:25 CDT

In article <1992Apr14.033953.15409@cco.caltech.edu> hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) writes:
>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
>
>
>>>Will Autocad work under OS/2 or do I have to dual-boot to dos?
>
>>Releases 10 and 12 will work (the former is available for OS/2, the
>>latter is in beta).  Release 11 currently will not because it uses a
>>VCPI DOS extender.
>
>There is a newer version of autoCAD 386 (R11c2) that includes
>a revised version of the PharLap DOS extender that is designed
>to work with EMS extended memory.  I thought (hoped) this one 
>would work under OS/2.  Am I wrong?  I won't be able to 
>test this until I get my copy of OS/2 2.0 but I would like to
>know if anyone has tried this newer version under OS/2.
>
>By the way, the original AutoCAD R11 DOS extender can be easily
>upgraded for EMS compatibility using a utility supplied by AutoDESK.  
>I think its available for free from them.  (not sure though)
>
>-- 
>Jon Hacker
>Caltech, Pasadena CA
>hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu


The DPMI extender shipped with R11 WILL NOT work under OS/2.  It will not
run as a client.  The R12 extender was reported to work under OS/2.

Gordon Miller
From: peter@pgeck.sub.org (Peter Gahbler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: What proof of license is *exactly* needed?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:39:21 GMT
Organization: Private site

Hi,
I think I will find a way to upgrade by the help of some friendly 
people. But I need to know what is *exactly* needed as proof of 
licence. Some mentioned the cover page of the manual, others the 
licence agreement. With my windows package the licence agreement 
was separated from the manual... So what will I need?
One more question: Will IBM USA update a German package (of course 
an American could own a German package as a German could own an 
American package, couldn't he?)? Perhaps some kind soul could 
simply ask IBM... I can't reach 1-800-xxx :-((.

Bye
  Peter
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Customizing the WPS
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:11:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

No, you cannot do what you (and I) want.  You must click on a window to
give it the focus and tops it.  The "focus follows pointer" mode
is not available.  This is mandated by CUA with no option.  I spoke
with a CUA person at the OS2 & Windows conference that was on our side
but she told me basically "good luck".

It's not even technically difficult, they just don't want to. Or didn't.
I sincerely hope that is changing.  I frequently want to interact with
a window that is not the topmost.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Organization: European Academic Research Network
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 15:21:40 GMT
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 on 386SX 16MHz?

I am writing this on a such machine - this is a Model 55SX with 4MB,
and 16 miserable megahurts (!). I have two DOS windows open now, one
OS/2 window is my VM-to-IP postscript-printer-deamon which sits
and wakes up every minute to check for things to get printed, and
everything runs great. With 4MB, expect a swap file of about 6MB on
a lightly loaded machine.  -turgut
From: olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: PC Magazine coverage
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:29:47 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <13640002@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder) writes:

 
   A couple of years in the cassette revolution, Sony (and I think, JVC)
   introduced what I believe was called the Elcaset (sp??).  This beast
   was much bigger, better designed, used tape that was 1/4 inch vs. the
   1/8 inch cassette, ran at twice the speed, etc.  The Elcaset (sp??)
   was technically superior.

   But, you probably never heard of this beast.  It didn't take off even
   though it was the superior product.

   ----

   Today, the same situation probably exists between Windows and OS2.  Most
   of my friends and acquaintences -- the folks who buy most computers
   today -- are just users.  And users see no visible difference between
   Windows and OS2.  But their friends have Windows, they see ads for 
   Windows, magazines have tons of stories on Windows, ...

Your analogy is not good. One problem with another cassette format is
that you have to change hard-ware, and the lack of backward
compatibility. If you want to compare to the HI-FI business, I think
the new digital cassette format by Phillips (not DAT) is more
interesting: You use the same cassette format as the well established
compact cassettes, and the new players will be able to play all your
old analog cassettes AND digital cassettes. I think that will be a
success (it is a bit to early to say, just as with OS/2 2.0).

   ----

   I'll say it again: From a user view, multithreading and protected
   mode mean nothing.  Look and feel means everything.  And installing
   from 14 (or 18 or whatever) OS2 floppies is frightening.

If multithreading means faster and more user-friendly applications,
then it will mean a lot for the customers. Multithreading and real
multi-tasking will give a better look and feel. And protection means
that you will not get the look and feel of a crashed system.

Olav Torvund
Oslo, Norway
Olavt@jus.uio.no
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Borland C++ for OS/2 v.2.0
Organization: Borland International
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:53:26 GMT

scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
>In article <54263@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt8080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Henry 'Hank' Harlan Roark III) writes...
>>I know Borland is working on a C++ complier for OS/2 v.2.0.  What I want to
>>know is will BC++ allow me to, after some porting from one to the other, compile
>>code for MS Windoze and OS/2 v.2.0?  I know, I know, Windoze is slooooow, but
>>there is a large installed base and if at all possible I would like to
>>write my apps for the operating system (OS/2) and the environment (Windoze :).
>> 
>>If not, what do I need in order to write apps for both?
>
>As an add-on to this question, will there be an upgrade path (from BC++ 3.0) 
>to BC++ for OS/2? (Then the obvious - how much?)

None of these details have been announced, and in fact I don't know
how much if any of these things have been firmly decided yet. It is
the case that Borland has always had liberal upgrade policies and
special deals for existing customers.

I am making sure that management is aware that people on the net are
asking for things like cross-platform development options. One thing I
wonder is, is there any reason to have a PM IDE that generates Windows
executables if you can instead have a Windows or DOS compiler that
runs in a VDM and can use the same project or make files as the PM
version? I'm not hinting at any plans, I'm simply asking for
clarification about what people who say they want cross-platform tools
really want to do with them.

 -- sidney <sidney@borland.com>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 10:19:43 CDT
From: Darius Vaskelis <U54345@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: A question about PROGMAN.EXE and ATM

>Just out of curiosity, if you run PROGMAN.EXE (the Windows Program
>Manager) as a seamless window, can you then install applications like
>Ami Pro or Page Maker which like to find PROGMAN running?  Also, can you
>launch windows apps from within this seamless PROGMAN session and are
>they then seamless apps?  Ohhhh, how Zen...

Yes.

(I love simple answers.)

>Oh, I still haven't heard, do the seamless windows apps use the OS/2 ATM
>or not?  I assume they do, but I'd like a definate answer...

No.

(Another simple one!)

OS/2 2.0 comes bundled with a special version of ATM called ATM for
WIN-OS/2.  When OS/2 is installed, it automatically installs ATM for
WIN-OS/2, but does not install any of the fonts.  Run run ATM Control
Panel and add the fonts, which can be found on Printer Diskette 5.

- Darius
--
Darius Vaskelis (IBM Marketing/Technical Support)
University of Illinois Account Team
One IBM Plaza  15-KC9                    Telephone: (312) 245-3532
Chicago, IL 60611                         Internet: U54345@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Trident Drivers
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:59:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

An infallible way is to look at the big chip on the card.  It says 8900
or 9000 on it.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: peter@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Wu)
Subject: Re: All GUIs are not alike
Reply-To: peter@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Wu)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:05:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.220306.16787@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
>I'd put OS/2 & Motif very near each other somewhere in the
>middle.  OS/2 has drag-and-drop for setting things, a better
>overall look than Motif, and is more user friendly if all I was
>was a user and not a developer.  But OS/2's command shell is weak
>(REXX is nice, but it isn't quite csh/ksh/sed/awk/grep/find yet...). 

Ah .. But .... you can get 4OS2 or Hamilton Cshell.  Sed, awk, grep,
find are all available for the pc's and I'm sure also for OS/2.

PQ?
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