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From: charlie@snowflake.az.stratus.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Step/Unstep mast?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:30:10 GMT
Reply-To: charlie@snowflake.az.stratus.com

In article <1992Oct2.121623.493@clpd.kodak.com>  
tomb@atp.serum.kodak.com (Tom "USA" Bullinger (x37419)) writes:
> 
> Well, I just received my contract for winter storage for this  
year. The price
> for stepping and unstepping the mast has more than doubled.  
Now I don't know
> about the rest of you, but I really can't afford $120 for  
something that
> appears this trivial. Does anyone have any thoughts on how I  
could
> accomplish this task myself? I remember seeing an older couple  
unstepping
> their mast before a trip up the canal. They seemed to use a  
'V' shaped 
> thing with the base straddling the mast base, but out at the  
rail, and the
> halyard was attached to the tip of the V. It then appeared as  
if they
> just lowered the whole mast by winch. Has anyone ever seen  
this done? Care
> to fill in some details? Could I make or purchase a setup like  
this for less
> than $120? It seems to me that a 24' boat with a ~30' mast  
outta be managable.
> Thanks for your help and excellent advice!
> 	tomb..
> 
> 
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we do this to trailer the Olson 30 that we race on. it's a royal
pain in the neck, and takes about 3 people 3 hours to completely
setup or takedown the mast. it's basically 2 long pipes that are
bolted together about 1/4th the way down from the top. we fasten
3 cables to it. one goes to the forestay connection on the bow.  
2 go to the rail where running backstays would go. a snatch
block is connected to the pole pivot point. we run a line
through the block to the spreaders. taking off all mast-boat
connections, we just winch it up until the maststep clears the
cabintop. we then just walk the mast base forward and lower the
line with the winch until the mast is horizontal. 

raising the mast is just the reverse. 

the cost was minimal. about 70 feet of 1.5" metal pipe, a few
small shackles, a snatch block (which you probably already
have), a few long eye bolts, and about 120' of the thin cable.  
we use the spin sheets for this. 
--
Charles Spitzer
charlie@snowflake.az.stratus.com
Telecom Customer Assistance Center
Stratus Computer, Inc.
Phoenix, AZ  85018
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: timf@polari.online.com
Subject: A question which *should* be answered in the FAQ
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 06:26:04 GMT

Moreover, a question to which I have had a terrible time trying to find
an answer:

How does one reach US Sailing (formerly USYRU)?  How come lots of
articles in sailing mags make reference to US Sailing, but none
ever gives an address or phone number?  [ok, so this second question
is more or less irrelevant]

Anyway, in addition to answering this question for my benefit, I
hereby suggest that this information be included in the FAQ.

Tim (on the verge of his first boat purchase) Flanagan
-- 
Timothy R. Flanagan		timf@polari.online.com
				tim@reed.edu
I'm the ACLU, the NRA, the EFF, Pro-Choice -- and I vote.
Unfortunately, I can't find a candidate to vote for.
From: lastra@betelguese.cs.unc.edu (Anselmo Lastra)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cold-Molded hulls
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:03:32 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


The Gourgeon Brother's book on boatbuilding has good info about
cold-moulding. You can get a copy from them, Mystic Seaport bookstore,
or WoodenBoat magazine.
From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: GPS
Keywords: Happy
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 02:46:58 EDT
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: world
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078
Content-Type: Text

I just purchased a new GPS 100 by Garmin and I think its got to be
the best device since slice bread, I would like to hear from others
who have a GPS not only from boaters, but also from pilots.

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Terry Gerritsen         |  G.T.M. Incorporated              (613) 384 0162
terry@gtm-inc.com       |  Kingston, Ontario           Fax: (613) 389 4594
                      "Transportation is our business"
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From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:09:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Wind - the movie
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Someone said (Iforget who, and in which notes group) that the film
also featured a gratuitous Puccini aria.  Anybody know which one?
Might be worth going just for that!

B.S!
From: erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: winterizing: Outboard
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:40:27 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

Apropos fogging oil,
in article <1aepgmINNa8c@gilligan.East.Sun.COM>,
mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:

|> The engine will slow considerably when you do this,
|> and it generates a lot of smoke.
                      ^^^

Take this seriously!  The first time I tried it, I did it at the front
of my house, and a huge dense smokescreen of white smoke immediately
filled the street, across its whole width and to the height of the
houses.  It wasn't very windy, so it took a few minutes for the stuff to
disperse.  Any car that drove into it would have been blinded, and could
well have hit something.  Fortunately it was a quiet time, and nobody
drove past - but I was worried for a while.  To my astonishment, none of
the neighbours remarked on the phenomenon or took any notice.  Anywhere
else but Edinburgh, you may not be so lucky!
    John Wexler
    Edinburgh
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: waterfront property
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:06:09 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com
Keywords: Advantages/Drawbacks

I'm looking at lake property, and I'd like to hear from people
out there that have waterfront property, and those with away
from the lake, but with access.

Specifically, I'd like to know about:

1) How much actual advantage is there in waterfront versus
   away/lake access (I know what it means, I just want to
   know from somebody who has waterfront property how much
   real tangible advantage there is being next to the water).
   Any disadvantages?

2) How much better is the resale (on average)? Is it easier
   to sell waterfront, or back lot (When you have to move on)?
   How much average assessment value does waterfront add (based
   on a 1 acre plat)? (I know this may vary... I'm looking for
   "You can expect to pay XXX percent more in property taxes
   on waterfront property.").

3) What about bulkheads? Are they pretty high-maintenance items?
   What kinds do you have experience with? Which would you re-
   commend? Any tips that will help ease maintenance?

4) Have you installed a launch ramp? What type of difficulty
   and expense does this present? Again, what are the mainten-
   ance issues/tips to lessen problems?

5) What type of pier or dock do you use? Is it best to use the
   community-provided one, or build one of your own?

6) What about security of the home while you are away? Is vac-
   ation home robbery pretty typical? What have you seen or done
   to combat this problem?

As you can see, I'm pretty much a virgin with this vacation place
thing, and I'd like to make intelligent choices, if possible.

Thanks -- Mike
From: ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:50:27 GMT
 <1992Sep28.193911.23016@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
 <1992Sep28.214051.20865@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
 <1992Sep29.175229.9374@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Organization: Arizona State University

My first experience sailing on salt water was in San Diego. The
final thing that we did after a fantastic four day basic cruising
class was to sail into the slip. We had the engine running and
one crew person ready to give us power (forward or reverse) if we
needed it, and we thoroughly discussed the entire operation long
before we arrived at the slip. It was the perfect landing that we
had been trying for for the previous three days. Being under sail
power alone really made us pay attention.
Since that time, I've sailed into the slip many times, with the
engine running and ready if possible, although several times I
*had* to sail in. I am glad that I know how.
One thing that we always do when heading out for the day is to look
around the marina to notice empty slips. When returning, should we
need to sail in for any reason, it is important to know where to find
an upwind slip should ours be downwind at the time. I have sailed into
a downwind slip with jib alone so that the air could be spilled, but
I would never do it if I didn't *have* to or have the engine ready to
go in reverse.
One other thing. We never motor anywhere without halyards hooked up and
sails ready to be hoisted at a moments notice, should we loose our
engine power.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: winterizing: hull and bilge cleanup 
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:22:52 MDT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

A couple of questions related to getting ship shape for winter storage:

1. What do I use to get mineral deposites off of a glass hull?  Outdrive?

2. Due to incredible stupidity I put a half pint of oil in the bilge while
   changing the filter.  What should have been an easy rinse job has become
   a serious mess.  What can I use that is not overly hostile to the
   environment to clean up the mess?  The boat is on the driveway so I can
   put a bucket under the drain to catch the glop.  Disposal could be a 
   problem.  I did wipe the bilge out a well as possible.
--
Hal Lynch

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Boating stores on East Coast
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:40:59 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Sep26.025227.2491@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> dbyrne@ldgo.columbia.edu (deidre byrne) writes:
>Try E&B Marine, with 4 stores in NJ, 3 in NY, 4 in CT.
>They are probably the most similar to West Marine.
>Their toll-free # is (800) 533-5007
>Personally, I much prefer West Marine's selection and service.
>
>There's also Goldberg Marine in NJ, (800) 262-8464
>
>One of the BEST is Defender Industries, in New Rochelle, NY.
>Sorry, call info for their number.  I never call them, I just go there.
>
>There are many, many individual stores which will mail-order gladly if
>you can be specific enough about what you want.  Look in the Yellow pages
>or ask at your local club. 
>
>                          -- Deirdre
>

	I have had very good service from M&E Marine 800-541-6501
	the catalog is good and the prices and sales and delivery
	have been right on.Service is as good as West. 
	Give them a try.
From: milt@sdd.hp.com (Milt Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cruising Boats (was Re: Book "Maiden Voyage")
Date: 28 Sep 1992 11:27:21 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Sep25.163901.18114@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> wes@ian.stx.com (John S.) writes:
>If I ever have the fortune of having Webb Chiles invite me to go
>sailing with him, I believe I'll have to politely decline. 

I met Webb Chiles about 3 years ago in Beaufort, NC.  He kindly helped us
unload an Atomic 4 from a van when we had to repower at the Beaufort docks
during a trip up the Intercoastal Waterway.  Resurgam (the boat that he
recently lost) was anchored in the Beaufort anchorage.  He didn't invite us
to go sailing with him :-(, nor did he offer to help us install the new
engine. :-( He did stop by for a drink though.



-- 

Milt Fisher - Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
milt@sdd.hp.com
From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: 1927 Issue of _Yachting_ Sought
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:09:55 GMT
Organization: SCTC

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

[My  request for pages 75-76 of Aug 1927 _Yachting_ deleted.]

>Earl-
>   Satisfy oour curiosity. Just *why* do you need these two pages? 

Sorry. I am collecting vintage (1850 - 1950) model yacht designs with
the idea of eventually putting together a book.  The pages in question
were the "Model Yachting" column for that month.  I surmise (since the
pages are missing) that a set of lines were published and somebody
cut them out.

Earl
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Feet...!? You had FEET?)
Subject: Re: So much for Danielle
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:17:00 GMT

In article <guido.717685173@sparc-3>, guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci) writes...
>It was actually SUNNY for most of the afternoon on Saturday with
>10-12 knots of breeze.  We were able to trapeze all weekend
>with a few good spinnaker trapezing reaches.

My partners (not the kind on the deck at the mast) went down to west river.
They had seven boats in the 470 fleet. They said on saturday the wind was
somewhat light, noone trapezing. They were also able to get five races in over
the weekend. I had a pretty boring weekend with no sailing whatsoever.


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: how common is overhea
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:43:39 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <RRUSK.92Oct6111312@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com writes:
>
>And, as I mentioned earlier in the post, many larger, late-model outboards
>come with a trouble-prone overheat sensor connected to an alarm.
>

Yamaha supplies them on every outboard, from V4 up. I've never
had any problems with them (I've never overheated, either). The
one Yamaha uses is a combination injection oil/temperature buzzer
that, when set off governs the engine down to 2500 RPM max. for
low oil. I don't know if it shuts the engine off on overheat, or
just governs it back.

I had the oil stuff go off when my boat was originally launched,
and it turned out to be that they had routed the oil feed line
under the reservior, but not in the channel provided for it. The
result was a pinched oil feed line, and frazzled nerves for me,
with a loud buzzer going off in my brand-new baby. I re-routed the
line, and never had a problem again (Except the time I forgot to
add oil... :-7). Luckily, it just cut back to 2500 RPM, and we
limped on over to the marina.

I know from a friend of mine that OMC's heat sensor works. He
overheated his one time, and it went off on him. He had had just
gotten a jackplate, and was running the engine too high out of
the water, and starving the pickups.

He's the only guy I ever knew who overheated his engine, but
he's not a really good sample case. He abuses the hell out of
his boat, and never does any maintenance on it, until it breaks.

-- Mike

---------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions - not my employer's
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: baxter@ ()
Subject: Info request on a sailboat
Originator: baxter@ultracat
Keywords: sailboat trailerable camping
Reply-To: green.wbst129@xerox.com (Dan Green)
Organization: Xerox
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:22:47 GMT

Hi folks,
  I tried to send this out a few weeks ago but apparently our network machine
was uncooperative so here goes again.

  A friend of mine is interested in recommendations for sailboats with the
following features:

1) trailerable - He currently has a Jeep Commanche for hauling the thing.
2) suitable for weekend excursions - Preferable with a small cabin for 
sleeping aboard with two people but able to carry camping gear for more
people.
3) comfortable to sail - He is basically looking for a comfortable, 
stable boat.
4) initial investment and continuing costs.

  He currently sails a Hobie 16 on Lake Ontario and on the Finger Lakes of 
Western New York.  He hopes to use this new boat in the same places and 
for weekend excursion to the Thousand Islands region of New York.  

  A possible suggestion he has heard is a cat boat, does anyone have 
comments pro or con about this boat or any others.

  If you have any suggestions or need more information contact him @

green.wbst129@xerox.com

		Thanks,
		Eric

	baxter.wbst129@xerox.com

std disclaimers etc., etc.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mike@erix.ericsson.se (Mike Williams)
Subject: Re: Step/Unstep mast?
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:01:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.151520.9949@spss.com>, bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley) writes:
|> Ready? Secure the main halyard, and tigten up the line going to the
|> winch. Unpin the shrouds and backstay. Begin lowering the mast by
|> easing the line on the winch. Initially the guys up forward won't have
|> much to support, but as the mast gets past 45 degrees, the halyard
|> will become less effective, and the people forward will be supporting
|> it completely. 

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

Unless you have a very light/short mast don't try this sort of thing
if you value your head, legs, arms......

I have seen a person break his shoulder bones in an accident when a
proper crane was used. With a 30ft mast you are begging for trouble
and possible severe injury if things go wrong. 

I take my mast off myself using the same crane and I don't really like
doing so...

If you can't just "borrow" the proper crane for ten minutes pay the money!

---Mike
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: sail-handling question
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:46:23 GMT

I went out sailing with my friend Jim today, and made a slightly bad decision.
It was blowing about 10-12 knots, and we decided, as a lark, to hoist the
spinnaker. Jim's decent on a boat, but he's not done much spinnaker work. I
did the foredeck setup, and then we switched places for the hoist---he did the
halyard work and I steered and handled the sheet/guy. 

So here's my question: suppose you have only two people, and want to handle 
a spinnaker. How do you do it? I've got self-tailing winches in easy reach of
the helmsperson, so the person at the helm can perhaps handle the sheet or the
guy, but handling both is a bit much. 
   Specifics: 
(1) Would you recommend rigging the jibe preventer on the main? 
(2) Who should handle the sheet and who should handle the guy? 
(3) During hoisting, the helmsperson can only really deal with one of the two
controls. Which is more important to get right first, sheet or guy?
(4) My pole has a bridle for the pole-lift, but no bridle for a foreguy or
any attachment on deck for it. Any suggestions about where I might rig the
attachment point? 

As you see, I'm not at all certain about spinnaker technique. With four people
aboard, we've done fine with the 'chute in the past (I jury-rigged a foreguy),
but with two and rapidly freshening winds, it was a bit too much. By the way,
nothing went wrong. We just sailed with it for a few minutes, decided we were
nearly out of control, and did a nice, fairly smoothly-executed drop. We
had checked, before starting, that there was no one in the area (there were
about 5 boats on all of Buzzard's Bay!), so we knew we had time to work slowly
and carefully. But we both felt uncomfortable about the experience, and *I*
certainly learned something about when not to push limits. "The right time to
reef is the first time you think of it," as someone said. And the right time
not to hoist a 'chute is the time when you think you might have troubles
controlling it. 

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Cold-Molded hulls
From: carvalho@tribiet.maintech.com (joe carvalho)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 23:43:25 PDT
Organization: Tribiet: A city much like hell.

Any info? Pros/Cons.
ThanX...

ThanX.

Joe Carvalho
Beacher Tool & Die...A Hughe Jorgen Company
1106 2nd Street, Suite 316
Encinitas, CA. 92024
From: zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:13:05 GMT

Right of Way Problem...

  When comming out of the C&D cannal into the C.B. there is a ferry
terminal.  With a total of four slips for the big ferries I was sailing a 28
foot sailboat through the same area, rather heavy waves and questionable
draft all around.  I tried to raise him (Ch. 13 & 16) and got no response,
from the look of his course he was heading to the northmost slip, at the
last minute he makes an abrupt course change right at me into the southmost
slip and starts yelling at me from the bridge.  I originally tried to go
around him on the other side and avoid the problem but as I would try to go
to port he would change course to block.  In the end I had the feeling that
he was deliberatly going out of his way to make a pain of himself.  

  Thus always follow the rule: An 800 pound gorilla can go where ever he
wants to...  Sad but true...


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:12:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.164350.13191@news.eng.convex.com> henry@convex.com (Lee Henry) writes:

>By the way how do you slow down when you have to sail down wind into
>your slip and you have a pretty good breeze pushing you along?  My slip
>is just about even with the end of the gas dock so I don't think I could
>use my anchor to back myself into the slip due to the traffic.

Someone else suggested doing a quick 360, which is a nifty idea. I've gotta
try that (in open water) sometime to see how well it works...

You *might* be able to secure a line to the fuel dock and just ease yourself
back on the line; once you're in your slip, then walk around to the fuel dock
and cast off the line and recover it aboard. You could also try swamping
your dinghy....but that would probably alter your boat's steerability a good
deal :(.

-John



From: cgr@otter.hpl.hp.com (Chris Romans)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:25:38 GMT
Subject: Paul Elvstrom Book
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Does anybody know anything about a book by Paul Elvstrom, published in
the 60's called 'Expert Dinghy Racing'?

Any ideas on where I can get hold of a copy?

Chris Romans
Newsgroups: rec.boats