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From: ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder)
Subject: Re: Why do some mother cats eat their newborns?
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:32:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.131947.1@stsci.edu> lhuffman@stsci.edu writes:
>
>In my years of experience working with rescue groups in Baltimore, I have 
>learned that a mother cat who is stressed, scared or feeling unsafe, as most
>of the alley strays do, eat their newborns because it is their decision
>that the current environment is 'not safe' for their young. Basically it's
>a protective instinct.

I've also read that a momcat can sense if something is wrong with one
of her newborn kittens and will eat it. I think I also heard this on
the TV show "Cats - Caressing the tiger".

Steve

Organization: H&SS Academic Advisory Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:20:50 -0400 
From: "Carol A. Buckner" <cb30+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bell Hating Cat

A little while ago, I bought Brandy a blue collar (to match her blue
eyes) with a bell on it.  She seemed to not mind it--until yesterday
when I removed to brush her.  She tore into it chewing and pulling at
the bell vigorously, trying to get it off the collar with all her might.
 Then she would let me put it back on her.  She seem much happier
without it--and let me know it straight up.


 
Carol Buckner
Carnegie Mellon University 
            
Trivia is so unimportant, but if we had none what would we talk about?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:05:24 GMT

In article <wepLqVS00YV781Jp54@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> the door.  I talked to the vet about my situation, she suggested that I
> come in twice because of his rabies shot being due and he is only
> turning a year.  She mentioned that there is a possibility that his
> rabies shot as a kitten wasn't effective and that to ensure he is
> protected before being exposed to other animals (my house has 2 cats and


Even if he did get the shot on time there is a period of time the immune 
system needs in order to build up the anti-bodies. In other words, animals 
are not protected (nor are we) the instant they receive the shots. The 
protection is 'ramping' up beginning when he gets the shot and reaching a 
peak a month or so later. So I don't quite understand her logic. Chances are, 
you kitten's protection has been decreasing for some time now and perhaps what
she means is that it's best to get it now and get the protection on an upward
trend before you leave.  I would also ask her if she could work some 'deal'
about the two visits, knowing what she does about the situation.

My vet says that as long as I bring mine in within a month after they're due,
it's ok.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Older cat/How long till she comes around?
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:21:16 GMT

In article <Bvuyys.4EC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> imkg2726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ilana M. Kingsley) writes:
>I've had my newly adopted cat (who is 7 yrs old) for one month, and she still
>is very anit-social.  We were told, from the humane soc., that she gets along 
>with dogs, but this is not true.  She hisses at the pooch, but that is not the 
>worst part.  She does not like affection-- does not like to be held.  She 
>refuses to enter our bedroom-- as if she is so scared that the room is 
>haunted.  She only comes out when she wants to eat and will tolerate getting
>petted at this time, otherwise she hides away wherever she can go.  We tried 
>letting her outside, but she is scared to go out.  If she doesn't shape up soon
>we may have to give her up.  I'd like to keep her though.  How long does it
>take until an older cat warms up?  I will tolerate her attitude if I knew that
>eventually she will be affectionate-- but she is disinterested in making
>friends.  What can I do to help her out??

You've had the cat for *one month* and you're getting fed up????!!!
Good grief!  You have no idea what kind of treatment the cat got before
you got her -- she may have been abused.  She may be afraid to go into
the bedroom because it brings back unpleasant memories for her.  I
adopted a Scottish Terrier over *9 months* ago, and we are still working
together.  It turns out that she was abused (physically and otherwise)
as a puppy.  It has been a long haul and has required more patience,
love and understanding than I even knew I had, but I take pleasure in
the small triumphs.

Be patient with your new cat.  Give her lots of love and attention (as
much as she will stand) and give her time to adjust.  As for getting
used to the dog, this could take many months, but it *will* eventually
happen.  Just keep showing her that you love her, and she'll come around
in the end.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Second Cat, Following Death of Mother...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:14:56 GMT

jeremy.l.radosh (jeremy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:

: 	So the dilemma: a new cat might just be so much lunch meat for
: 	Orson, or the two may live happily ever after.  On any given
: 	day I flip/flop between my fears and hopes.

One of the saddest things in the world is one cat.  Get Orson a friend! :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Anesthesia Advice Needed
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:52:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvv5Iz.7vv
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson) writes:

>We use a combination short-acting injectable to get the cat under,
>followed by gas - propofol is the injectable we currently prefer.
>Works pretty well in high-risk patients.

Is this the new, reversible injectable??  I know there is an injectable
on the market now that is reversible for patients who may be allergic
etc but I don't know the name or any places around here that carries it.
(Guess it's pretty expensive)

Also, when we have had really high-risk patients, we won't use an injectable
at all because it has to be metabolized by the kidneys.  Instead we just
mask them and use strictly gas.  It takes awhile longer for them to go
under but they wake up REAL quick and we haven't had any problems with
our older kidney patients when they have needed surgery.


-- 
Kris
peregrine@uiuc.edu
From: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Killer PJ's
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I was out last week with bronchitis and had the best time (doesn't make
sense, but I did).  My youngest, Yogi (Male Himalayan) loves to stay with
HIS mom at all times.  And he is very protective.  One morning after my
other half left for work I was trying to rest and thought his pillow
looked better then mine, only problem was his pj's were on it, so I
picked them up an threw them to the foot of the bed.  I don't know
what Yogi thought, but he jumped on them and made sure they wouldn't
ever move again.  They did, and so did he right on top of them.  This
was a lot of fun.  Had to give up on the arm under the covers tho, he
figured out the lump was somehow connected to mom's arm.  
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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: 'bye Tess
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:26:17 GMT

In article <92288.235716MAF112@psuvm.psu.edu> <MAF112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>    Anyway a few weeks ago, my fiance and I were in bed when we heard a cat pur
>ring on the bed. But there was no cat on the bed, no cat in the room for that m
>atter. We tried to reproduce the "purr", thinking it was a sound the bed made,
>but we could not. Both of us know we heard a cat purring on the bed. So we gave
> it up to things most people would rather ignore, and decided that it was my
>deceased Himalayan coming to say that he misses us too.

There's a wonderful short story by Arthur C. Clarke along these lines, about a
scientist and his beloved dog. I wish I could remember what it's called. It's
in one of his short-story collections. Very different from most of his other
stories. It left me with the same sort of feeling as Heinlein's "The Door into
Summer" (which is pretty much the only Heinlein book I liked).
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
From: dgordon@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Farting Kitten
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:30:28 GMT
Organization: BT

Bianca is the friendliest seven month old kitten anywhere (oh yes she 
is). Trouble is she has a problem that not even her best friends will
tell her about - she has *THE* most disgusting gas/wind (depending on
what side of the Atlantic you are) problem. When she farts it is as
though she has had a serious accident and the smell usually clings to
her fur for 10 - 15 minutes giving the impression of a dose of the 
runs that she's forgotten to clean up properly.  :-(

She has been fed on both dry and tinned food - to no avail. Can
anyone suggest a cure before I throw up on my nice new lounge carpet ?

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David Gordon                                    dgordon@gssec.bt.co.uk

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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Kitten with foot fetish
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:26:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.174026.5131@cs.tulane.edu> coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.184714.633@netcom.com>, wd6cmu@netcom.com (Eric Williams) writes...
>>Murphy is a 7-week old orphan longhair found in the parking lot at
>>work a week ago.  He seems happy now, but has acquired an annoying
>>and potentially dangerous obsession for my feet.  
>
>I have six kittens on my back patio who do exactly the same thing.
>At times it becomes impossible to move with six kitties on your feet,
>under your feet, clinging to your feet, biting your feet ...

I sometimes think cats (at least some cats) don't always realize that your
feet are actually part of you. They seem to think they're a separate animal.
I've noticed a stray kitten hanging around our place watches our feet moving
instead of looking up at us the way our own cats do. Of course, this could
be because someone in the past kicked him and he's watching out for that.

We won't be able to adopt him as we are moving soon into a house which already 
has 2 other cats (plus our own 2). I have a local posting out for a good home, 
but in case anyone elsewhere in NM is interested: he's an orange tabby, maybe
3-4 months old. He'll need patience at first as he is fairly wary, but he's at 
the stage now where he'll let us pick him up and enjoys being petted, and I 
think he'll wind up being a good cat given proper love and attention :-).
Please email me or call 505-835-{7282,4824} if you're looking for a kitten.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Nasty Tapeworms-
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:30:48 GMT

In article <lswan.34.0@ucsd.edu> lswan@ucsd.edu (Swan, Lyn) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.085655.1@stsci.edu> lhuffman@stsci.edu writes:
>
>>In article <1526400002@igc.apc.org>, Tracie Diamond <tracie@igc.apc.org> writes:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions about getting rid of tapeworms. 
>
>>Droncit tablets, obtained at the vet and given in two doses two weeks apart 
>>whenever tapes make their appearance, cost about $1.50 apiece and are the 
>>remedy of choice for tapes.
>
>I've been told that these pills cost about $12-$13 each from the vet.  Is 
>this just another S. California rip off?  Could someone else please comment 
>on cost in their area?

I just called the vet about treating our cats (I posted the other day about
identifying worms), and here in rural NM it's $2/tablet. The paste stuff for
roundworm (don't know the name yet until I get it) is $6.50/dose. This vet's
prices have been generally reasonable: $40 for spaying, $8-10 for vaccinations.

Remember that in S. CA, the vet's overhead (lease, living expenses, etc.) will
be higher than in most other areas of the country, which will make some
difference - though $12 each sounds exorbitant to me.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 08:40:01 -0400 
From: "Susan R. Wagner" <sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Advice/suggestions needed: 1 yr vet visit

Hello everyone,  I am in need of advice/suggestions about a timeing
problem and Jester's one yr vet visit.  Here's the situation,  Jester is
due for his rabies mid to late November.  We are planning on flying to
Denver for the holidays approx one month later.  In order to fly, Jester
needs a certificate of health signed within 10 days of the trip.  I want
to combine these visits into one since my vet charges me $22 to walk in
the door.  I talked to the vet about my situation, she suggested that I
come in twice because of his rabies shot being due and he is only
turning a year.  She mentioned that there is a possibility that his
rabies shot as a kitten wasn't effective and that to ensure he is
protected before being exposed to other animals (my house has 2 cats and
a dog) that he should have it at the time due (in November).  Now, will
one month make a difference?  He is an indoor cat with very little
chance of escaping.  I do trust my vet, but one month?  He is a health
cat.

Also another question, I am planning on asking the vet for
tranquillizers when I do go to the vet.  I have heard through various
discussions on this b.board that you should experiment with the
tranquillizers before the actual event.  I would imagine that this has
benefits for both you and the cat.  The cat gets to feel wierd at home
and you will know what to expect.  Will 10 days be enough time to
experiment?  Any suggestions about flying with kitty's would be helpful
( he is going in the cabin with me, not being checked).  

Thanks in advance.

Susan and Jester

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:34:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.201353.22629@crd.ge.com>, feldman@flash.crd.ge.com (Sandra F Feldman) writes:
> Lhuffman states that his cat got blood in the stool from science diet lite.
> Questions for you:  was this cured by switching to a different food?  What did
> you switch to?  We have a cat who has recurring blood problems, has been
> dewormed and deparasited to death, and the vet can't figure out what the problem
> is.  (We've considered taking him to the clinic at Cornell, but it is 3 hours
> away and it seems that as long as the cat is in no pain and is not ill that
> any more examination would be overly invasive.)
> 
> Thanks,
>   Sandy

Correction: HER cat. 

Yes, the problem cleared up as soon as I switched them back to Science Diet
CD which they had been eating before.  I would suggest doing this for a 
period of time  (week or two) and see if it doen't solve your problem.

Lenore
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat's eye -- verdict
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:43:55 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

smhawkin@midway.uchicago.edu wrote:
> p.s.  let me put in another word on the virtues of the plastic eyedropper
> here, just so i don't cost the net more hundreds-if-not-thousands-of-
> dollars later.  the eyedropper is perfectly carriable for all you out
> there with retrieving kitties (if not, you may be surprised what an
> eyedropper will bring out in your cat!).  it spins in a lovely, unpredictable
> way.  it bounces quietly enough that it won't disturb the people in
> the downstairs apartment.  it's cheap -- and if kitty doesn't like it,
> it may come in use around the house.  finally, it has the recommendation
> of all three of the rexes in my family.  what more could a kitty ask for?

Another one that has the same effect on Muriel: empty 120 film spools.  She
usually drops one at my feet when I come home in the evening as a subtle
hint that it's time for her mousing practice.  These bounce nicely when
bowled along a carpeted hallway.  Preferred for this over any shop toy
(though for protracted paw-to-paw combat she likes a plastic jumping
tarantula with attached airtube and rubber bulb).  I have no idea how many
of these she's adopted, as they keep turning up all over the flat.

Scrap reels of 120 film also make great pretend pythons for kittens playing
Panther In The Jungle.  (35mm film is too unwieldy for a kitten: also,
polyester-base films curl up too tight to unroll and fight back.  My kittens
have always preferred Ilford HP5).

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:54:45 EDT
From: <MAF112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Help.

Has anyone heard of an animal welfare organization named T.W.A.I.N.? I am looki
ng for a local chapter on Central or Southeastern PA. If anyone has any info, i
t would be greatly appreciated.
                                   Thanks in advance,
                                              Theresa
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jamesh@genghis.borland.com (James Hartley)
Subject: Ocicats anyone?
Originator: jamesh@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:03:56 GMT

As an owner of a pedigreed ocicat (for the uninitiated, this breed is ~35
years old and is a mix of Abbysian, Siamese, and American Shorthair -- the
result is an alley cat colorization with spots instead of stripes), I am
interested in the experience of other ocicat owners as to their temperament,
personality, loyality, spunk, and independence.  If enough interest exists,
I will post a summary of what email I receive.  BTW, I am very pleased with
mine...
-- 
jamesh@borland.com
From: gibson@dl5000.bc.edu (Rene Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: HOW LONG CAN A 9-WK. KITTEN BE ALONE?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:09:35 GMT
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College

In article <1992Oct7.041311.25528@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:

> In article <92280.224343U58100@uicvm.uic.edu> U58100@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>> I *thought* that eight weeks old was a sufficient age that a healthy kitten
>> could be left alone, but Hendrix is pretty rambunctious and unfortunately
>> i work almost 12 hours a day sometimes, though i try to come home for lunch
>> to play and feed him, which usually works out fairly well, and we play
>> for about an hour at night.  Then someone who is *apparently* knowledgable
>> about cats said that they have to be 6 months old before they're moved
>> and that *if* i am going to be away for many hours of the day that it is
>> actually *kinder* to the cat to lock it in the bathroom with plenty of
>> toys, food, et.al.  Theoretically he's supposed to feel more "in control"
>> of his domain or territory...  Intuitively this sounds a little strange to
>> me, but then, I'm just a paltry human.  Any comments?

> I'm not sure what you mean by "6 months old before they're moved".
> For short term absences such as a working day, I would think
> the operative factor would be to reduce the scope of the 
> war damage.  Certainly there's no problem with leaving a young
> cat in a bathroom under the conditions you describe.  I don't
> know that it's "kinder" to do so.

I've been packing my cats up and carting them off to my parents for a week 
or so at a time since they were 2 months old.  It doesn't seem to faze 
Sheba in the least.  Kinda can't cope with anything outside the apartment
door.  Different cats, different reactions.  I always let them roam when
they get to somewhere new (providing I've removed everything dangerous).
They have a starting point that they can run back to if they feel insecure.
Kinda needs security and doesn't wander far at first.  Sheba needs to
explore her environment (you know about curiousity and cats and all that)
and is usually found in the strangest places.

I always figured it was kinder to the cat(s) to remove harmful things and
let them roam at will.  That gives them the choice of curling up in a
corner and sleeping all day or exploring and running amok all day.  I've
been gone at least 9 hours a day since I got the cat(s).  Locking them up
for that much time seemed cruel to the poor curious fluffballs.

Rene
--
From: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: 'bye Tess
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:20:40 GMT
Reply-To: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>
>My Tess did this just about every night we left the bedroom door open ...
>I called her my lover kitty, 'cause she was soooo affectionate in the
>middle of the night.  She died this weekend during a spay operation and
>I miss her so!  I'd leave my door open every night and let her chew
>on my hair all night if I could only have her back.  Love ya, Tess.
>
>susan

Kepurr/Muffin/Tigger/Teal/Yogi send hugs.

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