From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: OSE: A troskyist fringe group
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:49:31 GMT

In article <BvApKE.ErF@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
>> 
>>          I wonder if Andy would change his position if he finds out (if he
>> didn't know already) that the OSE gives unconditional critical support
>
>What is 'unconditional critical support' - sounds like a bit of a
>contradiction in terms to me, but then this could be a subtle aspect of
>Greek philosophy I've missed (BUT WAIT! to indulge in that would be
>national chauvinism on OSE's part and hence against their
>internationalist creed, so I suppose it must be  straightforward
>incoherence after all)
>
>> to the
>> IRA and advocates armed overthrow of the Greek, Irish and British governments
>> by the organised working class
> 
>> 
>>                                   Tony Hartin
>>                                   International Socialist Organisation
>>                                   Australia
>
>
>No, if I did I'd make a citizen's arrest of the Socialist Workers
>papersellers in Hanley. I suppose technically they could be prosecuted
>under the Sedition Act, this has never happened of course. These people are harmless eccentrics and like
>most of my race I cherish eccentricity. It's much more fun to watch
>these self-styled champions of the working class persistently ignored by
>them, in England they get even fewer votes than the National Front which
>is saying something - than locking them up. This latter strategy of
>course, quite apart from being anti-democratic, only gives them ideas of
>importance above their station and free publicity. There's more than one
>reason to insist on free speech. 
>
>However if someone could show that OSE regularly shot policemen, blew up buildings etc, I would agree that the
	You forgot to answer (or ignored) the point I made about the fact that
the British Leagal system jailed a number of Irsih citisens (Berminham seven 
you mentioned) while they new they were inocent. Your reply was in the form 
that IRA should be prosecuted and braking the law a bit to protect society is 
accepted. Although you avoided to directly connect it with the Berminham seven.
That offcourse is my interpritation of a vage answer. My question would be
that you can see social injustice in a case of the OSE five were the
court has not decided on there fate and you don't have all the info needed
but you don't have anything to say about the jailing of seven inocent
Irish people that was done to cover the incompedence of the police to deliver
blood for the bloody war of the IRA terrorists ?


>Greek government would have every right to lock them up, indeed execute
>the murderers among them.

	Greece has no capital punishment so it seems that they are less
strict than you wish they were.

> I'm no friend of terrorism under whatever
>initials it hides. On the other hand the printing of a pamphlet
>(particularly this one) seems a harmless enough thing and moreover pamphlets and slogans are about as far as OSE's revolution

	The sectret in this argument is the word you put "seems". What I am
trying to say is that it's your judgment that it "seems" harmless enough
If it was only a question of panflets then they will surely be freed. I doubt
that though. If there is someone on the street trying to start up a looting
is he just expressing an Idea or should we wait for the results ?
	Was it LA ?
Oh and another missinformation passed on to the net by the OSE member ..
He mentioned that strikers were walking down major Athenean streets holding
banners in the front asking to free the OSE five. I doubt if anybody has
any knowledge of the OSE five. And those people were holding banners to free
jailed strikers (Please jump on this one because you don't know why they were 
also jailed)

>will ever get. Everyone is allowed to dream - even Trotskyites and in my
>case Thatcherites.

	"H glwssa kokala den exei ma kokkala spaei"

	The Tounge does not have bones but it can brake bones"

In other words, words can be more dangerous than action. People should not be 
allowed to advocate violence. If somebody that seems harmless enough is on the
streets asking for members to form a new group that will create violence
he should be jailed.




>
>Andy

	George