HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hoyle@beaufort.sfu.ca (Michelle Hoyle)
Subject: Landed Immigrant Status
Summary:  How do you do it?
Keywords: Immgirant,Canadian,Citizen
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:51:45 GMT

Being a naturally born Canadian citizen, I've never concerned myself
with the details of how others can become Canadians.  Now, however,
I must profess to possessing curiousity on the subject.  Could
someone perhaps enlighten me?

Michelle



Xref: sparky can.general:2185 can.politics:3786 soc.culture.canada:3415
From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:52:12 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article you write:
>  Do not use such words as "created".  It was here all along.
>Canada consists of more than just the east. The french didn't influence 
>much past manitoba. The country consists of the amalgamation of many 
>colonies and settlements. Some like BC, with no french influence at all.
>Technically "canada" was an act of the british parlament.

Not so. Canada didn't start in 1867. Before, we had the Union of
Canada, and before, Upper and Lower Canada. Before that,
Nouvelle-France covered about 3/4 of North America.


>> Of course Quebec is a nation!
>Unfortunatly for you that is currently untrue. Quebec is a province of 
>canada with strong nationalist tendancies, yes. But a nation is 
>recognized as a nation by a soveriegn state other than itself. there is 
>criteria to meet which Quebec currently does not. 

As the other posting said on the net: NATION != COUNTRY. You don't
need to be a COUNTRY to be a NATION.

The Kurds are a Nation, the flemish are a nation, the palestinians are
a nation, etc.

Another example: the tcheques and the slovaques are two separate
nations in one country, Tchecoslovaquie. (I didn't how to spell these
in english).

-- 
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Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
Xref: sparky can.general:2183 can.politics:3771 soc.culture.canada:3409
From: heckman@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Gerald Heckman)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: A really nice, fuzzy love letter for Sylvain et al. ...
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:50:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: watserv1.1992Apr14.205006.19551
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Apr14.175417.16347@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:

>Maybe "la majorite silencieuse" (silent majority?) should do something
>before it's too late...

>(I'm not talking of silly "love letters")

>Sylvain Chamberland
>Dept. of Biology
>University of Waterloo
>Waterloo, Ontario

Now, now, I'm sure we all like to get love letters once in a while.
This gives me an opportunity to share one with my fellow netters. 

I was waiting for the express plane from Toronto to Quebec City.
It was close to christmas, and Pearson Intl was full of people
whose flights had been delayed by snow squalls up in the North Bay
area. I soon found myself talking to a man who was to have flown to 
North Bay, and whose flight had been delayed for several hours. As this
was in December 1990, a couple of months after the failure of the Meech
Lake accord, and as I was waiting in the lounge mainly occupied by
passengers flying to Quebec City, we soon were talking about the 
Quebec-Canada situation. This man, although he had been concerned
about the ill-defined "distinct society" clause, was worried about
the consequences of the accord's demise. He told me that "if Quebecers
and Canadians could just talk it over, instead of dealing through
their media and politicians, we'd be out of this mess a lot faster."
We spoke for quite a while longer. When it was time for me to board
my plane, we shook hands, and he said "tell your friends in Quebec City 
that we love them."

So there Sylvain. I give you the words of a seemingly honest and 
concerned Ontarian. Words of good will you can dismiss as "a silly 
love letter" if you feel like it.

It's up to you.

Gerald Heckman
Newsgroups: can.general
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: GATEWAY TO COMPUSERVE FROM INTERNET
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:04:27 GMT

In article <skenny.703176827@femto.engr.mun.ca>
                       skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:
>Can anyone tell me how to email text from my site (which uses INTERNET)
>to my friend in Calgary (which uses COMPUSERVE). 
If your friend's ID is "12345,6789",
then send E-mail to "12345.6789@CompuServe.COM".
Note how the 'comma' has been changed to a 'period' in the CS ID.
From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Canada = ?
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 03:19:56 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

s36238f@kaira.hut.fi (Tim Klemets) writes:

> 
> I'd like to thank all of you who gave me the explanation(s) for
> the name Canada (unfortunately, I still don't know which one of
> them to choose :).  It was very interesting to read, even though
> the answer obviously wasn't as clear as I thought.
> 
> Now I'll go celebrating easter, but will be back in a week.  Maybe
> I'll ask some more stupid questions about Canada when I return.
> 
> --
>    Tim.Klemets@hut.fi ** Aldrig mer en h{ftig signatur ** Fiksut signaturet 
>    kypsytt{v{t minua ** Please don't expect a cool signature ** Tolle 
>    Signaturen machen mich nerv|s ** Quoi? Non, je regrette, pas de signature
>    pour le moment; revenez demain ** Mujeres y hombres, no tengo signaturas
>    ahora - ?esta' claro? ** Nogalongo kulubumbura babullabadre

 By all means do. There is a quote I like to repeat in situations such as 
this:
  'He who asks a question is a fool for but a minute, 
   But he who never asks a question is a fool forever.'



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From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: mr. Boucher
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:42:05 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

In reply to my reply to your supposed sacastic post.
 The not-to-to-be-tolerated behaviour is the racisim and denegration of 
one person by another. I did not say that you should be censored as you 
like richler do have the right to say what you will. However I for one 
will not let such blatent and hateful remarks even is they are supposed 
to be sarcastic, to go unchallenged.  If you say something that i feel to 
be wrong I will say so. I will not however call people names.

 The remarks about racism et. al., were general descriptions of those 
types of comments that promote and incite hatred. 
 They were not aimed at any specific person.  
 When and IF I have cause to call you such things I WILL name you.

&Your sarcasms did indeed sound like racist slurs. that does not mean 
that you are. just that there is some evidence of the behaviour.

Please take the time to carefully reread my post and if you have any 
problems with it please take them up with me.  
 If i was wrong I will recant.  If I feel I wasn't wrong then I will not.

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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: A really nice, fuzzy love letter for Sylvain et al. ...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.212617.8080@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
>It was not killed because of anglo hatred of Quebec and Quebecers. It was
>killed because of exploitable technicalities. But, everything I have read
>indicates that it was killed with the blessing of the majority of people
>in anglophone Canada. However, to reiterate, the rejection of the MLA was
>*not* a rejection of Quebec. It was the rejection of what was considered
>by many to be a flawed accord.

My memory tells me that right after Harper said NO in the legislature the
next morning most newspaper editorials were full of guilt admissions that
the middle-aged white men in suits finally found an Indian to do the dirty
work for them.

I'm simply quoting what the majority of the media pundits said at the time.
That's all. Don't flame the messenger.

         Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: acadia.cs.chat,can.general,can.jobs,ont.general,ont.jobs,comp.jobs
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:09:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.012727.4670@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca (RICHARD DAVID ASPINALL) writes:
>	Are you saying that I was getting a better education there than
>I am at University (BTW I'm learning C, C++ OOP).  Did I make a mistake ?
>I don't think so, but if you would like to offer me a job I could
>reconsider my position.   :)
>	I would like to think that I am getting something of value at U.
>and that I will have sellable skills in the near future,  but I look in
>the paper and most ads are asking for COBAL, dBase and sometimes Clipper!
>The few ads I've seen for C and C++ generally ask for significant experience

	Just like to add my 2c to this whole thing:

	It would appear that, in general, universities train CS students
to learn about computer science, and not 'how to program in language X'.
This is probably the best way of going about things, as learning a 
language is really a matter of getting a book and reading it.  Thus,
universities can spend their time teaching paradigms and somewhat more
important and theoretically useful things.

	However, for the most part, this isn't what corporations want,
and most people end up having to learn COBOL and dBASE...

	Kinda sad.


-- 
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  Marc Wandschneider           Montreal, CANADA          Program run! PLEASE!
Ever wonder how Worf got to be Security Officer on the Enterprise when the 
Capt gets kidnapped from the bridge every two episodes and Troy Beats him up?
Xref: sparky can.general:2198 can.politics:3802 soc.culture.canada:3433
From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Distinct/Nation (was When do we stop being outsiders?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:16:48 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:
> No. As I said in some previous post, the word  distinctive denotes
> superiority. This word resemble quite a lot to distinct, and in my opinion
> it is the origin of the misinterpretation.
> 
>    An anglo told me so...
> 
> Ask your anglo about my explanation...
> 
> --
>   ,                          ,                           ,
> Stephane Boucher, ing. jr. | Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca        | 
> sbo@info.polymtl.ca        | (514)340-5950

I think that Mr Boucher is probably correct.

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From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: postal codes
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:15:46 EST
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Distribution: can
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I don't think Canada Post (or the old Post Office Department, to be
precise) standardized the two-letter abbreviations for provinces and
territories until well after the U.S. Post Office Department (as it then
was) introduced two-letter abbreviations for states.

wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin) observes,
 > Actually, PQ has been used for decades.   It was adopted long before
 > the practice was standardized for other provinces and territories.

Part of the reason for the old abbreviation P.Q. (normally written with
periods) was to distinguish the Province of Quebec from the city of
Quebec. The two-letter abbreviation QC or Qc does the same thing because
it always refers to the province, never the city.
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Newsgroups: acadia.cs.chat,can.general,can.jobs,ont.general,ont.jobs,comp.jobs
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:12:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.050944.737@cs.mcgill.ca> storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) writes:
>	It would appear that, in general, universities train CS students
>to learn about computer science, and not 'how to program in language X'.
>This is probably the best way of going about things, as learning a 
>language is really a matter of getting a book and reading it.  Thus,
>universities can spend their time teaching paradigms and somewhat more
>important and theoretically useful things.
>	However, for the most part, this isn't what corporations want,
>and most people end up having to learn COBOL and dBASE...
>	Kinda sad.

 A lot of what universities teach prepares the student for teaching
 and research in the subject.  Sometimes this directly conflicts
 with a student's goal of getting vocational training for a
 high-paying job, and a corporation's hope that the student will be
 turned out ready to mesh into the organization and start cranking
 out code, designs, mods or documentation equal in value to the
 salary being paid within weeks of hiring.  The "kinda sad" part is
 that the student trained to think in general and with a broad
 knowledge of a subject is going to be a lot more productive over
 the long term, after the product which needs development of
 support right now is history.  But try telling that to the manager
 whose whole life is devoted to the next quarterly report and to
 this year's production goals.
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: jcarroll@jacc.com (Jim Carroll)
Reply-To: jcarroll@jacc.com
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Opinion in .Sig file representative?
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:5:11 GMT
Organization: J.A.CARROLLCONSULTING,TORONTO,CANADA

amdunn@mongrel.uucp (Andrew M. Dunn @ A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Canada) once wrote....
>In article <41768834@bfmny0.BFM.COM> in newsgroup comp.unix.sysv386, 
>tneff@bfmny0.bfm.com (Tom Neff) writes in his .signature:
>-- 
>Annex Canada now!  We need the room,    \)      Tom Neff
>    and who's going to stop us.         (\      tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM
>
>
>Whaddya folks think?  This should spark at least a couple of comments.
>I presume from the machine-name that Mr. Neff is somewhere in NY State.
>
>Inquiring Canadians want to know!  :-)
>
>
>
>
>Andy
>-- 
>:-------------------------------------------------------------------------:
>:  Andy Dunn (amdunn@mongrel.uucp)  ({uunet...}!xenitec!mongrel!amdunn)   :
>:  "AT&T thinks Usenet is an Underground organization" - are we really?   :
>:-------------------------------------------------------------------------:

Well, if we want to get downright emotional about it, I had thought of 
adding something to my signature like:

   "Americans are WIMPS....They haven't the guts to go after Japan on
    trade issues, and instead go after Canada on lumber and autos."

Its' a sad commentary that the fallout from the political state of affairs
in the U.S. has to be doing so much damage to two of our largest industries.

jc


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From: lyndon@ampr.ab.ca (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Looking for a summer job...
Summary: Good Grief!
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:13:00 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Alberta Packet Radio Network

klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:

> IMHO, it is **NOT** appropriate to post a "commercial" for yourself to USENET.

Oh give it a rest. Why do you think we have can.jobs? (Yes, he should
have posted it there.)

> Imagine the volume of postings in this newsgroup if every EE and CS student
> at every Canadian university were to post his/her resume!  Yuk!!

Imagine the volume of postings in this newsgroup if everybody crossposted
everything from can.politics ...

--lyndon
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 13:01:09 GMT

sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:

>In article <skenny.702914304@femto.engr.mun.ca> skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:

>   sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:

>   >How do you define demand? Where do you draw the line to decide whether or
>   >not you provide a given service?

>   >So far I have asked a zillion times to the people who use "where nubmer
>   >warrants" or "where there's demand" what this means exactly. I'm still
>   >waiting for the answer.

>   Well according to the office de la langue francais it is 50% : the most
>	[...]

>What is it according to Canada?

I have no idea if there are any set definitions. However, by selectively
deleting the rest of the posting you have left out the most important
part nor did you attempt to answer my question. 
--
=================================
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St. John's, NF, CANADA
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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Distinct/Nation (was When do we stop being outsiders?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:28:21 GMT

In article <9804@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>Distinct may mean superior if you want so.
>THis in French and in English.
>
>See this example in French:
>M. X s'est distingue aux Jeux Olympiques.
>
>something like
>Mr. X was distinguished at Olympic Games. 

This is a common mistake. "distingue'" and "distinct" are two different
words, as well as "distinct" and "distinguished" are in English...

This is maybe the source of the problem here. Many people are confused
by these words "distinct" and "distinguished".

An anglo told me so...


Sylvain Chamberland
schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu
From: larochep@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Laroche Pierre)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Canada = ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:22:54 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


 By the way, the misunderstanding about the term "Kanata" meaning country(land) or village is correct, ...but it wasn't Champlain...it was Jacques Cartier In 
1534 I believe????
					Pierre Laroche
From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:59:19 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Apr9.110405.29376@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Tony Wallis) writes:
>
>Yes.  But what I find kinda sad is the extend to which many people in
>universities care about what CORPORATIONS want.
>

Why are you concerned about this? Universities exist in a society.
Why should it be sad that an institution would reflect the needs
of the society which supports it? Are univerities some sort of
contemplative order divorced from their surroundings? 
-- 
i.sinature
Newsgroups: acadia.cs.chat,can.general,can.jobs,ont.general,ont.jobs,comp.jobs
From: michels@cs.UAlberta.CA (Michael Michels)
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:24:28 GMT

Things in  edmonton are quite tight.  Calgary is mostly laying off people.
I'm staying put in my job for a bit.

Andrei Chichak
c/o the above address
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: plante@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Frederic Plante)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: A really nice, fuzzy love letter for Sylvain et al. ...
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:22:21 GMT
Reply-To: plante@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Frederic Plante)
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <29EC51DA.588D@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.052142.14128@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
>	schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>
>>If I find that most TROCians feel the same way as your man, well
>>I may change my opinion about Quebec separation.
>>
>>Still, if I keep seeing Diane Francises and other dinosaurs like Getty,
>>it won't help.
>
>For every Getty there is a Lucien Bouchard.

Well, ok.

>For every Diane Francis there is a Lise Bissonette.

What?  Do you really know Lise Bissonette?  She is a very good journalist.
She hold very balanced views.  

Have you ever read one of her editorials?

>For every APEC there is an OLF.

How can you compare the APEC, which is a racist organization, with
L'office de la langue francaise?

>For every ranting federalist there is a ranting Quebec nationalist.

Of course.

>I only wish I had a sealed room big enough in which to lock them all away.
>
>These people make careers out of calling attention to themselves. They
>are the worst possible places to guage public opinion, and the worst
>possible people to be shaping public opinion. But what they write is
>provocative (if nothing else!), and being provocative sells newspapers.
>
>You're going to have to look deeper than these icons of Canadian
>intolerance, just like people ouside Quebec have to learn to look beyond
>the icons of Quebec intolerance. It's worth the effort.

You should choose better icons.

Frederic Plante
From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Canada = ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:48:03 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

> In article <1992Apr13.145142.19269@julian.uwo.ca> s36238f@kaira.hut.fi (Tim K
> >
> >I'm curious to hear where the name Canada comes from.  What does
> >it stand for?  It doesn't sound extremely English to me, but not
> >like any indian language either.  (No, I don't know any indian
> >language).
> >
> >   Tim.Klemets@hut.fi ** Aldrig mer en h{ftig signatur ** Fiksut signaturet 
> 
> It came from the spanish Aca Nada.  Nothing there,  Y a rien la.
> 
> When the spanish came across the northern lands this side of Atlantic,
> they saw a little of forest and indians, but no civilisation.
> So, they put Aca Nada on the map and turn to southern lands that they claimed
Really? Beauregard where do you get your information?
 I had always thought that it came from the iroquois 'Kanata' and that 
champlain was responsible for the application to the region around the 
st. lawrence river. 'Kanata' is supposed to mean 'village' or 
'settlement'.  
  Also I wonder just when it was the spanish made it this far north, and 
why the spanish of all peoples would be the influence on the name of a 
french or british territory.


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