From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Andre Kian-An Tan)
Subject: Re: Proposal for Bot Owners (V1.00).
Keywords: BOT IRCII PROGRAMMING LAME POINTLESS ANNOYING
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:20:59 EST

In article <1992Dec9.074224.12092@cc.umontreal.ca> hachec@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Greg Patterson) writes:
>[This proposal has already been email'ed to several (>20) bot owners that I
>could find within a short period of time (namely looking on #hotsex and on
>#hottub).  From the number of positive responses, it looks like some 
>progress might be made from this effort]  
>
>Hello,
>
>As some of you are aware.  The number of MODE +o's when people join some of
>the more popular channels (eg. #hotsex, #hottub) is steadily increasing.  This
>is a serious load on ALL IRC servers around the world.  Every MODE +o that a
>user sends gets sent to >200 servers simultaneously.  This can often result
>in netsplits or server screw ups (read: *** Notice Hack: messages).

["Helpful" hints to make a "better" bot in IRCII deleted]

Here's another idea...  Short of removing all bots from IRC, how about
NOT HAVING BOTS PERFORM MODE CHANGES???  Instead of requesting chop from
a bot, how about ASKING THE OWNER???  Yes... Aren't I clever, I thought of
that all by myself.  I know it's really difficult to take that couple of
seconds or so to actually TYPE a command, but perhaps people can manage.
Actually, typing commands is quite versatile.  It allows any type of 
mode change, kicking, and even clever little phrases that might be relevant
to the situation at hand...  Yes... you... a human can type adorable
"bot"esque actions like:

 <luser> luser gives luser2 a BIG hug! *Hugggies*

or, for the more sophisticated user...

 /me gives luser2 a BIG hug!!!

 *** Action: luser gives luser2 a BIG hug!!!

Yes, all this power can is your's for the taking, and is accessible for even
the most technically illiterate..

>auto-ops would be assigned at one-minute intervals.  The code I have written
>is only valid for ircIIpre7 and greater..  ircIIpre8 will have an easier
                        ^2.2                     ^2.2
>method requiring only a few lines of code (TIMER 3 + rand(10) /MODE $C +o $0).

Do seriously believe that half of the IRCII script bot owners out there have
enough of half-a-clue to be able to compile a client successfully?  Sorry
to poop on your parade but, I think not.

>If you have any problems with making these adjustments, I will be more than
>happy to give you some help (either online or thru EMail). 
> 
>Thank-you for your time.
>
>Wizard.

I respect what you are trying to do, but unfortunately I'm not sure if I
agree with it.  It still troubles me when I try to comprehend why lusers
insist on spitting out vanity bots which truly have no redeeming value
at all.  I even go as far as to say that "adding atmosphere and ambiance"
is stretching it...

<luser> gimme a beer luserbot
*** Action: luserbot throws luser an ice cold beer!
<luserbot> There you go luser!

or... (this bot is real)
<luser> This lag fucking sucks!
<FUCKbot> Fuck!  For Use of Carnal Knowledge!
<luser> heheh.. That's FUCKING neat...
<FUCKbot> Fuck!  For Use of Carnal Knowledge!
<luser> heheheh... That's so funny that I think I'll go pump my willie for
+a while!

I'm sorry, but virtual beverages and asinine comments does not make my
"IRC experience" more enjoyable.  Ah well.. I digress... Anyways, 
Greg/Wizard, valiant effort to solve the problem, but wrong approach in
opinion. 

- Andre

Just say NO to unattended morons. 
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