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From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:51:01 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Wed  2 Sep 92  3:27, paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
wrote:

 PK>   What do you think us PD programmers release source code FOR, if not
 PK> for other people to make use of it?

Thats fine and dandy as long as YOU don't mind having something YOU worked
hard on and gave out FREELY to be SOLD by someone else and not receive even
a stupid THANK YOU in the docs.

Most authors of PD example code released it expecting it to be used perhaps
in personal or otherwise PD programs. Or to be used as a guide on how to do
a certain thing. Most require that the person who wishes to use it as part
of a commercial package contact the author of the code for permission and
even THEN they ask for credit where it is due. Ken has done neither of
those things and, quite personally, if I had the talent to write a bit of
code others would like to use and released it to the PD only to have Ken
cut and paste it into his commercial software, I'd be quite P.O.ed about
it.


 -- AEd V1.37/Eval

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:24:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.183743.25326@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>
>   Is Eric Drewery still alive? Does he ever answer Email or US mail?

Possibly.  Rarely.  Hardly ever.

Eric is probably the biggest selling point for XenoLink and DLG :-/

Last time I called his system (to arrange transfer of ownership of my own
Paragon/Starnet), he had his voice number posted.  You might want to give
that a try.  But does he answer the phone himself?

Probably not.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: Stephen Cooper <stephen@csd.uu.se>
Subject: Zmodem uploads @ 19200
X-Xxdate: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:16:14 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:15:34 GMT

Hello,
  I'm trying to get my old A1000 to work on our local serial network here
at the university.  I'm running it at 19200 baud, and everything works
fine, except uploading.  Downloading (using Zmodem) works great, but
uploading by X/Y/Zmodem won't work.

  When uploading, the zmodem will send several packets, comming up to
approx 4096 bytes.  Then it repositions to 0, and stalls.  Running at
2400 & under works great.  What's wrong?

  Here's my set-up:  
A1000, 2 meg memory, 1 floppy drive (internal).  Up/Downloading from/to
RAD:  (880 k)

Serial prefs:  Baud rate:  19200, buffer size 16000, read bits 8, Write
bits 8, stop bits 1, parity none, handshaking none.

I'm running a registered version of JR-Comm (1.02a).  I am connected
directly to the serial network.  
My Serial settings are: 
  Baud rade 19.2k,           Data bits 8, 
  Stop bits 1,                  Parity none, 
  Duplex full,                  Break len. 250000.  
  No Xon/Xoff
Terminal settings: 
  Workbench screen,       VT-100 emulation, 
  Strip high bit, 
  and more
General settings: 
  I've tried priorties from 0-5.
Transfer parameters:
  Protocol zmodem, 
  zmodem send modes newer/longer, 
  zmodem options resume transfer, auto download, auto d/l challenge, 32
bit CRC, 
Misc:
  Binary mode

On the unix side, we run SunOS.  I have the following stty settings:
speed 19200 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns
-parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb -hupcl cread clocal -crtscts
-ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc
ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel
isig iextn icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop
echoctl -echoprt echoke
opsot -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel -tabs
erase  kill  werease  rprnt  flush  lnext  susp  intr  quit  stop  eof
^?     ^U    ^W       ^R     ^O     ^V     ^Z/^Y ^C    ^\    ^S/^Q ^D

Thank you for any assistance,
  Stephen Cooper
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Stephen Cooper  	       	       	+46-(0)18-18 10 73 (voice)
Computing Science Dept  	       	+46-(0)18-52 12 70 (fax) 
Uppsala University, Sweden      	stephen@csd.uu.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell)
Subject: Re: Public domain (was Re: C-NET)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:19:05 GMT

In article <mkoch.04ax@amisys.UUCP> mkoch@amisys.UUCP (Mike Koch) writes:
>It's not going in circles, but I *do* think some people are confused.  Some
>authors label their code as both public domain *and* claim a copyright.  This
>is not possible.  If they want to claim a copyright, it is not public domain.
>If they wish it to be public domain, they cannot claim a copyright.  Now, I've
>never seen Steve Drew's code, but if there's a copyright notice in there, then
>it is definitely NOT public domain, and anyone who uses that code without
>Steve's permission is doing so illegally, and is leaving themselves open to a
>potential lawsuit.  But only if Steve decides to enforce his copyright.
     Another problem to add to this dilemma is that some author's add
a copyright notice, even though the code *has* no copyright.  It's 
often difficult to tell who's lying and who is not.
--
--Eugene O'Dell                      |    Various Addresses:
"I'm very scared for this world...   |   EAO430S@VMA.SMSU.EDU
 I'm very scared for me." - R.E.M.   |   eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Baud Bandit 2.01 upgrade from PP&S
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 16:03:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

To all, and everyone...
Baud Bandit (the terminal program) has been upgraded to version 2.01. A number
of people upgraded recently, and received version 2.00. Version 2.00 still has
a couple problems and should not have been released. (The Fast--Slow ASCII
text throttle slider in the config window for example does absolutely
nothing). 

If you were upgraded by Progressive to Bandit 2.00, send your 2.00 disk back
to them and include a note asking for version 2.01. It's free if you already
have version 2.00. This is the information I got this morning from PP's tech
support guy "Jim" on the phone. Perhaps 20 people were upgraded to version
2.00 but on the chance that any of them read this, just send the disk back to
swap it for version 2.01. 

For those of you using the older Bandit 1.0 or 1.5 versions, if you wish to
upgrade to 2.01, send your original labelled disk to PP&S in Denver (yes they
had a fire... mail is being forwarded to their new place) along with a payment
of US$15.00 and a request to upgrade you to version 2.01. 

Regards, Harv

[not a PP&S employee or agent.. just a friend of Greg Cunningham, and a Beta
tester of his program, Baud Bandit (the terminal program, not the ".device"
:-) ]
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:00:17 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner) writes:

>>  Check into that further, almost positive that the 24.4k figure is based
>>on
>>V.42 and is not raw V.fast.
>>

>>  V.fast is scaled from 2400bps in 2400bps increments up to 28.8k, 24.4k is
>>not a valid step within that range, the closest are 24k and 26.4k.
>>

>>  Current testing on V.fast has been able to push it to 21.6k on average
>>copper, higher on short distance, digital PBX networks.

>I did my homework, and now its time for you to do yours.  

>I'll help you out, Motorola Codex's tech number is 1-800-334-9074.

>They claim 115kbps with V.42bis compression.. 24kbps is the raw data rate..

  Check your history, you posted 24.4kbps before, 24kbps here, which is
it?  I will call though, 10:1 that 24k is not on the phone system.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Question about terminology
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:08:36 GMT

Cem Turgay <PROHVK38@TREARN.BITNET> publicly declared:
>Hi, Could I learn the meaning of V32, V42 and bis abbreviations?

No, absolutely not!  If we told just ANYONE the secrets, we wouldn't be
known as the gurus anymore.

Oh, well, all right.  Consider it "Guru Largesse"...  :-) This is a
summary I put together based on the "What You Need To Know About
Modems" guide written by Patrick Chen.  The entire guide is longer than
I'm willing to post (2200 lines, about 100K) but I'll mail it to anyone
who sends me email asking for it.  No, I can't put it up for ftp since
I don't have ftp access.  


MODEM Quick Info
----------------
CCITT V.22      1200 bps Modulation protocol
CCITT V.22bis   2400 bps Modulation protocol
CCITT V.32      9600 bps Modulation protocol (1984, also 4800 bps)
CCITT V.32bis  14400 bps Modulation protocol (1991, includes V.32)
CCITT V.42      Error Correction protocol
CCITT V.42bis   Data Compression protocol (4:1, used with V.42)
      MNP-4     Error Correction protocol
      MNP-5     Data Compression protocol (2:1, used with MNP-4)

Notes
-----
V.42 and MNP-4 may also increase thru-put by approx 15% due to
stripping start & stop bits from data.

V.42bis and MNP-5 may not speed up transfer of compressed files.
MNP-5 may actually slow down transfer of a compressed file.

Dual Standard: U.S. Robotics, Telebit, Hayes, CompuCom etc, make modems
that support V.32 and their own proprietary protocols for 9600 bps.

A modem that supports only a proprietary protocol for 9600 bps can
transfer data at 9600 bps only to another modem that supports the same
propietary protocol (example: an HST modem only to another HST modem).

Any brand V.32 modem can transfer data at 9600 bps to any brand V.32 modem.

Any V.32bis modem can transfer data at 14400 bps to any other V.32bis modem.

A V.32bis modem can fall back from 14400 bps to 12000/9600/7200/4800 bps.


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                                                       |   Motorola Cellular
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From: MLO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (LORETI, Maurizio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: VLT/Kermit to Unix upload help needed...
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:59:34 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

What kermit are you using on the Unix side?
On my system we have C-Kermit version 5A179; all I have to do
is to type "kermit" and then "send filename"...
(if this is the case, a set file type binary too :-).
C-Kermit is ftp-able from grind.isca.uiowa.edu, directory
/unix/ckermit (? not sure... ?).

From Italy,       ciao         maurizio

- Only my opinions ... --------- (programmer since 1968) --------- aka I3NOO. -
 Maurizio Loreti - University of Padova - Department of Physics - Padova, Italy
 Padova:   LORETI@PADOVA.INFN.IT         +-------------------------------------
 Stanford: MLO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU  | I'm not bad; I'm just drawn that way
 FermiLab: LORETI@FNALD.FNAL.GOV         |           (Jessica Rabbit)
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: StarNet (Paragon)
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:37:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Aug29.183743.25326
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange


   Is Eric Drewery still alive? Does he ever answer Email or US mail?
   I've owned Paragon since 1990 or so, and have been a patient owner, but this
guy is starting to really get on my nerves. Is something happening in his real
life that's preventing him from responding to registered owner problems, or is
he just being snooty? 
   Flames >hell:, please. This is a legitimate Q, so I'd appreciate only
legitimate answers.

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From: rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:29:27 GMT
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.95f

>  Check into that further, almost positive that the 24.4k figure is based
>on
>V.42 and is not raw V.fast.
>

>  V.fast is scaled from 2400bps in 2400bps increments up to 28.8k, 24.4k is
>not a valid step within that range, the closest are 24k and 26.4k.
>

>  Current testing on V.fast has been able to push it to 21.6k on average
>copper, higher on short distance, digital PBX networks.

I did my homework, and now its time for you to do yours.  

I'll help you out, Motorola Codex's tech number is 1-800-334-9074.

They claim 115kbps with V.42bis compression.. 24kbps is the raw data rate..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell)
Subject: Re: C-NET
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 02:24:50 GMT

In article <jvasher.03pz@cquest.mi.org> jvasher@cquest.mi.org (Joe Vasher) writes:
>        This to was done, and ken admited using some PD code. in earlier 
>versions. However you can justfy using stolen code or supporting someone that 
>does such is up to you. But Personally I feel Steve Drew Should have at least 
>gotten mention from Ken for his work to help cnet...

Why're you complaining that Ken used PD code?  It's in the public
domain for a reason, and the reason is that so people can benefit from
it.

As for Steve Drew's code, I *do* think Ken should have mentioned that
he used it...  Even so, I still support C-Net.
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Internet Address: EAO430S@VMA.SMSU.EDU "I would give my life to find it,
                  eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu   I would give it all...
  Bitnet Address: EAO430S@SMSMVMA         Catch me if I fall." -  R.E.M.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: jts@krk.fi (Janne Siren)
Subject: EXCELSIOR! Where can I get it?
Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:57:49 GMT

I would like to buy EXCELSIOR! BBS software but all I've heard is the price -
99 US dollars, but I don't even know if this is the correct price. So, I would
like to get information about buying EXCELSIOR! and demo version if available.
Thanks in advance.


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From: thly@pe.chalmers.se (Thomas Lydhig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: AmigaNOS and SLIP
Keywords: AmigaNOS, SLIP
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:53:29 GMT
Reply-To: thly@pe.chalmers.se
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

How to getting started? I have read all I could get about AmigaNOS but I can't find any description who tells me how to start it!!!

I have got an TCPIP address, I have a Modem (SupraFAXv32bis)!

I have tried to call with Term2.3 to my Annex modem server, logged in and printed "slip" to establish the connection. The server reply with it's IP-num and my IP-num.
I exits Term2.3 (modem hangs on due to my confiuration) and i write "SLIP" in a amiga shell. AmigaNOS will then start and then I don't know that to do?

What changes should I made on the files which is delivered with the AmigaNOS package?
And how to make the real connetion to modem server from AmigaNOS?

Sorry about my english, I hope someone understand what I have written and has some answers to me!!!

			Thanx a lot for reading!



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: willw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Waring)
Subject: Supra Questions from downunder
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:56:24 GMT

	Hi there all you people out there in datacomm land I've got some 
questions about (Yep you guessed it) Supra's 14.4K Modems..

	1.. I remember seeing this some where, but whats the story with
there ROM Upgrades? DO I have to pay for the new one or are they being
nice and giving them away (*I've only got 1.00c)

	2.. Got a friend who Just got a new one with the 1.20 ROMS and
there are a few undocumented Commands (Hmmm). I'm not going to list them all
cause I'm sure Some one already has. Can some one forward me any replys??

	Generally I'd like any important Info that we've missed down here
in OZ about the new ROMS and stuff.. (Sorry U would have read it myself,
but My University Hates there Students Have Fun.. :(

	Hope Some one can Help.....

cheers

--
William Waring
willw@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
9107957@chico.cs.su.oz.au
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From: Bill.Hirt@mtask.omahug.org (Bill Hirt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Duplicate message generation
Date: 03 Sep 92 19:23:40 CST
Reply-To: bill.hirt@mtask.omahug.org
Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm

My apologies to all for a automated posting program on this systrem which
generated several duplicate posts in this newsgroup. The program has been
terminated and will not be making any more postings until it is fixed so it
doesn't dupe. My apologies to adding to net traffic.
From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Distribution: world
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:44:39 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Thu  3 Sep 92  8:55, markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark
Montminy) wrote:

 MM> He's not bluffing, he does have another programming job that's taking
 MM> all of his time right now.  I believe he'll be done by the end of
Sept,
 MM> beginning of Oct (I'd have to check the calendar).  I happen to know
 MM> first hand since I hired him for the job. --

Well, if he does about the same quality of work for you that he has done
for all of his current and former BBS software owners then you may be in
for a disappointment. His almost total lack of support or even public or
private messages about his BBS software is what got me to switch to DLG PRO
as well. I couldn't go to work and not come home to a crashed system. At
least with DLG I've got lots of stability.



 -- AEd V1.37/Eval

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: willw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Waring)
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:41:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.131325.15594@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
>In <1992Sep2.105840.25191@fwi.uva.nl> welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter) writes:
>>>I downloaded it from a BBS last night and the program is
>>>for sure SUPER!. Some real nice features, but it seems to
>>>have lots of bugs. Who has made this program?
>
>>It's terrible, it crashed twice just trying to configure it, so
>>I immediately got rid of it.
>>It was 'made' by some Australians I think. Actually it looked
>>suspiciously like Term (one of the older versions), it looked so
>>much like it that I suspect they used a lot of the Term source.
>>So don't bother with it, just get Term2.3.
>
>Yes, it looks very like Term. I usually use Term, but since XComm
>had some more features, I'll stick to it for a while. Or at least until
>I see how the next version will work.
>
>The phonebook was *much* better in Xterm and I also had a feeling that it
>was much faster online. Better ANSI-routines.

I'm glad you approve. I put alot of effort into making the phonebook nice to use. The new version has an extremly powerful phonebook editor which looks the same but does quite a bit more. I cannot STAND term's phonebook. It is totally unusable. (Sorry Olaf). As for ANSI routines, X-Comm doesn't process the incoming data, it only outputs it and stores it for the review buffer, capture/printer etc.

Anyway, Version will be very much different to the old beta. We are currently upto V0.96, about to go to V0.97. I hope that it will be out after I go to england for my school holidays (I'm only 16 you know :-)).

Regards,
	Edward



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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:5995 comp.sys.amiga.misc:13296
From: mcgowen@cse.ucsc.edu (Richard McGowen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The cause for Term problems? (Now: A problem FOUND!)
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:54:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

I have also noticed that term doesn't free all of the memory it grabbed
upon exit.  I often have to reboot in order to get back the memory.  
(avail flush does not work.)
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re:  JRComm Palate
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:56:33 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development

But what I want to know is, how does JRComm taste?

Glenn Doiron
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