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Subject: Re: Billy says...with text this time\
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:14:57 EDT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

>Since Wile E Coyote (super genius...patron cartoon
> character of all scientests) is my hero,I don't think violence should
> dictate whether or not these episodes should be shown.Would someone be
> so kind as to send me the address for Nick so I can get a few letters
> demanding the episodes.Long live real cartoons.

I have a gripe.  Why are they banning things from R&S when they show much
more violent and gross things on Looney Tunes on Sunday night at 8pm?!

Certainly they realize that Wile E. Coyote is alot more violent than R&S!

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From: med2062@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.E. Donnaruma)
Subject: Re: Nick nixes Kricfalusi
Originator: med2062@ultb
Keywords: Nickelodeon Kricfalusi fired
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:30:18 GMT

In article <19rnbiINNba4@agate.berkeley.edu> labc-1fh@e260-3g.berkeley.edu (Eric van Bezooijen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.033223.23624@lclark.edu> matta@lclark.edu (Matt Alexander) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.012051.14539@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>>>YEARGH!
>>>     Okay, everybody go out and buy the postcard set, then mail the "You 
>>>Bloated Sack Of Protoplasm" card to the Nick execs.
>>
>>Yeah! Does anyone know addresses? E-mail boxes? Shelling coordinates?
>
>I talked about something like this two months ago, and I was ridiculed for
>being paranoid.  I hope this was a joke post, and I am really paranoid.
>
>If this is not a joke, I have the following to say:
>
>Get a life, Nick!  You can't *schedule* creativity, and R&S is as close to
>pure creativity that I have seen on TV in a loooooong time.  Artistic 
   Very true. One thing I want to know is what the hell Nick was
thinking when it decided to put that 8:30 show on TV at all! If that's
Nick's idea of creativity then Ren & Stimpy will become another Gummy
Bears or Care Bears or Smurfs or worse, Rugrats. 
  
>geniuses like those at Spumco deserve respect, not beauracratic crap.  I
>think if execs at Nick would realize that R&S has a huge, very patient group
>of fanatic followers who don't mind waiting two months for a new episode, as
>long as it is of the same high quality as previous material, they could make
>saner decisions.  I mean, we can all watch the same garbage day in and day 
>out if we really wanted to at some other channel & time, but R&S is ... R&S!
>
>So, we need the following:
>	1] 100 % proof that that past article is 100 % correct.
>	2] if #1 is true, addresses of Nickolodeon and a major mail drive.
>
   I want the Nickelodeon address, and mail a nice big mail-bomb to
each of their execs. 

   <fade in: Stimpy in military uniform, and an M16 in a hand. Tounge
lolling out in a stupid grin. walks into Nickelodeon HQ>
   "Happy Happy, Keeel Keeel!!"

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down with sigs!
From: beelewm@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Read only out of pitty, not discussion
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:22:11 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I'll keep this one short so as not to interupt your very important
descussion.  The question is.....When is the new FAQ coming out? 
well, back to the discussion.

Catch 22 ---------------- Beelewm@wkuvx1.bitnet ----------------MARC

P.S.  I just got a pair of R&S boxers, damn I feel special
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From: Buck Godot <bgodot@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: 9/19 episodes (Fire Dogs/Littlest Giant)
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:26:54 GMT

> 
> Add to that assorted violence and mayhem (a place crash, a crashed truck, a
> dead kitten, the Pope nearly impaled on an iceberg, a dead mudskipper, etc.),
> as well as the line "Cling tenaciously to my buttocks!", and you have an
> episode so far beyond the "G" rating that I'm forced to wonder how John K.
> got it past Nick's censors in the first place.  (Thank goodness he did,
> though!)
> -- 
> Greg Wooledge          /..\			Wizard in training.
> wooledge@ces.cwru.edu  \--/ Have a day.

 
 I don't suppose you have it on tape, and could send me a copy??? :)
From: donnell@mantaray.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Red and Stumpy
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:42:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct2.164019.16127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>I suppose I was unclear.  Red & Stumpy is a comic book.
>     Dave Van Domelen, got a brown fabric marker so he could color Ren in on 
>his T-shirt

Ah. Then I just won't bother in the first place.

					--Judex--
From: edwardp@cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Organized letter writing campaign
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:13:55 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

In article <Bv76yK.91t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>mikec@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Michael Chow) writes:
>
>>I got it! What if Ren & Stimpy moved from Nick to Public Television?! I mean, if they can get all those British comedies there, why not R&S?
>
>Actually, Fox seems like the most appropriate choice to pick up R&S.  They'd
>probably do it in a minute if they could.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Fox Broadcasting picked up Ren & Stimpy.
It would certainly compliment The Simpsons.  Rupert Murdoch:  take note!



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From: bcampbel@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Bob Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Keywords: spam Dickelodeon
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:36:39 GMT

> 
> so to live up to his responsibility to a money grubbing network,  
John K. 
> should just crank out garbage? And not care about the fans? 
> Please, he signed a contract, and when that situation changed they  
canned him,
> rather than renegotiate. That is solely the responsibility of Nick.  
They
> say that his completed episodes were offensive, but we only have  
their word.
> They have yet to provide any documentation of any thing  
inappropriate.
> John K. tried to do something really special, a style of animation  
that
> had not been done for years. And he ended up being a good example  
of what
> happens when you place quality over quantity in the Television  
market.
> Philistines!
> 
> 					--Judex--

Yes, well! That's just the sort of blinkard, philistine,  
pig-ignorance I've come to expect from those non-creative TV Exec.  
garbage!

Bob "Throat Sack" Campbell


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From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Organized letter writing campaign
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:37:40 GMT
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us

In <66608@cup.portal.com> patrik@cup.portal.com (Patrick M Crumhorn) writes:
>   Seems to me that botcotting Nick's sponsors is not necessarily the way
>to go. After all, there are a LOT of sponsors, and it's not the sponsors fault
>that Nick has peabrains in charge.

No, what you want to do is write to the sponsors and tell them that you will
not be watching Ren and Stimpy once Kricfalusi leaves, and that you will be
encouraging your friends to give it a miss.  If it looks to them like the
show's popularity will head down the toilet, they'll cancel their ads and
Nick's revenues will plummet.  And be sure to tell Nickelodeon that you have
written to them -- make sure they know that shows without John K. are not
saleable product.

Should you write, remember to sound polite, don't rave, and check your spelling.
Try to look more like the parent of a fourth-grader than like a fourth-grader...
[Sorry to have to say this, but I fear that a mini-deluge of standard USENET
articles would enable them to write it off as a letter campaign organized by
a few dedicated geeks who don't buy their products anyway...]
From: bcampbel@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Bob Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Why is Nick showing R&S in the first place?!
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:34:00 GMT

> 
> so to live up to his responsibility to a money grubbing network,  
John K. 
> should just crank out garbage? And not care about the fans? 
> Please, he signed a contract, and when that situation changed they  
canned him,
> rather than renegotiate. That is solely the responsibility of Nick.  
They
> say that his completed episodes were offensive, but we only have  
their word.
> They have yet to provide any documentation of any thing  
inappropriate.
> John K. tried to do something really special, a style of animation  
that
> had not been done for years. And he ended up being a good example  
of what
> happens when you place quality over quantity in the Television  
market.
> Philistines!
> 
> 					--Judex--

Yes, well! That's just the sort of blinkard, philistine,  
pig-ignorance I've come to expect from those non-creative TV Exec.  
garbage!

Bob "Throat Sack" Campbell


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From: donnell@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: R&S in FILM THREAT!!
Keywords: Ren Stimpy Film Threat
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.094140.14975@wam.umd.edu> mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:
>What in the hell is Film Threat??  Never heard of it!  Can it be gotten
>at say Crown or B. Dalton???  Where do I get it man?!?!?!
>

Film Threat is a bitchy anti-hollywood film magazine. That said, let me add
add that it is one of my favorites. I normally buy it at a local bookstore,
but I should think you can find it at Waldens or B. Daltons, especially
since it is now distributed/funded by the Larry Flynt empire. It's a 
great mag, nicely printed and all that. Lots of fun, with the snottiest
film criticism I have ever read, outside of my own...heh

					--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Friday Notes About R&S
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 25 Sep 92 10:39:05 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

I watched the The Simpsons last night and noticed that they copied some things
from "Space Madness."  The particular scene in question is where Lisa gets a
B+.  Lisa's voice and eyes reminds me of Ren, and the teacher's "You're hurting
me, Lisa" sounded like Ren's "I'm hurting."  I think we'll see more R&S
reflections on the Simpsons.

BTW, according to Jason Portwood (jcportwood@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu), John K.
has been kicked off of Nick!  My friend Jason found this out from 97X, a local
radio station.  Is this true?  I hope its wrong because this would be very bad
for our best buds.  :(

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     / / \/ \  \  / Happy! Happy! \      
    /__|O||O|__ \ \   Joy! Joy!   / 
   |/_ \_/\_/ _\ | \  ___________/      
   | | (____) | ||  |/                       
   \/\___/\__/  // _/
   (_/         ||   
    |          ||\   Norman Sippel
     \        //_/   alias Norman "Muddy" Stimpy
      \______//      
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Camp
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:58:38 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rmc@davidge.com (Robert Cianchette) writes:

>In article <#=_pk0=.eamon@netcom.com> eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes:
>>Interesting ... so Camp is taking over.
>>
>>But I can't help but think that he wrote and directed the lamest of the
>>new episodes so far -- "In the Army"
>>
>>We shall see ...

>But, I believe he also wrote and directed "Stimpy's Invention", one of
>my favorite episodes.  In any case, If John K. doesn't stay on as Ren,
>it will never be the same.

I'm not 100% sure who wrote "Stimpy's Invention," but I am sure that John
K. directed.

And I agree: regardless of how well BIlly West can do Ren's voice, it won't
be the same.


                                         --Steve Stelter
                                           sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: charles@sunshine.kodak.com (Joseph Charles)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: What about Ren's voice!?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:13:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company

Okay, assuming that John K. is kaput with R&S... Who will replace him as Ren's
voice?  I mean, I'm willing to see what becomes of them under the hands of Bob
Camp, but how can they get anyone to replace John K. as Ren?  He *IS* Ren! 
Hmm...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy,alt.fan.ren-and-stimpy
From: richichi@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mike Richichi)
Subject: What to do with John K.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:22:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Since it seems a given that Nick has fired John K. as producer/director
of the episodes and is making Bob Camp take over, and that Nick still 
wants John K. involved at least as the voice of Ren, maybe they can work
a compromise.

John stays on and does Ren (and Mr. Horse and incidental characters),
and also writes and compses storyboards for the new episodes.  Final
decisions will be left up to Camp or whoever can get the episodes out
in a timely manner, but John K. still has some creative input into 
the procedure.

Yeah, I think the quality of some of the episodes might not be as good,
but there are already a few episodes in progress that were greatly
influenced by John K. anyway, and I think this is better than him having
no creative input at all.  Of course, he might not like not having total 
control over his characters and stories, so this might be for moot, but
it might be the only way to prevent Ren & Stimpy from sliding off into
creative oblivion.

I hope that John K. and Nick can work a compromise that still allows the
show to keep most of its edge and that will mesh with a reasonable
production schedule.


------------
Mike Richichi, Dept. of Physics, Colorado State Univ.
richichi@lamar.colostate.edu  mrichich@drunivac.bitnet 
"Aw, the stretching beam, ya blurred me!" --MST3K
From: jeff@quake.sylmar.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Screamin' Lederhosen
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:11:12 GMT
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092

Well, I'm bummed - but I can't say I'm surprised at the recent events.
J.K. got caught between a pretty bad rock and hard place, and I get
the feeling from articles I've read that he's not really into being
apologetic and compliant with corporate types... Yes, Nick owns
R&S, but without J.K. and his Spumco staff, it's going to fade pretty
quickly... maybe he'll then be able to re-acquire it for a song and
do it for fun and profit... not for Nick.  J.K. will come out on
top, I'm pretty sure - and we'll have eight or nine episodes we can
treasure (and maybe the banned episodes and uncut versions will appear
somewhere...)

Anyway, the *real* reason for my post is that in the same issue of the 
(Los Angeles) Daily News where I learned of this unhappy event, (I haven't
read the group in a few days, figures...) is a short blurb about an 
local show in "On The Town" by Fred Shuster:

Tuesday (9/29)
Screamin' Lederhosen:  This jazz-funk trio write and perform the music for
TV's "The Ren & Stimpy Show."  Vine St. Bar & Grill, 1610 No. Vine St.,
Hollywood.

Those of you within reasonable driving distance of Hollywood - 
Sounds like a great place to go and nurse our wounds...  

-Jeff
From: edwardp@cs.umb.edu (Edward P. Piecewicz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: References To R&S (HHJJ Is Spreading!)
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:37:10 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

How long as the Ren & Stimpy newsgroup been "alive"?

 - Ed


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Member and Activist:  The Boston Computer Society
From: johnsonchris@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:06:41 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

> 
> Funny that they don't grasp the fact that John K. is pretty much the main
> reason that they have a large audience for the show. but I am not suprised.
> Bob Camp's episodes got a few complaints here, and I think that the show
> is headed downhill. I wonder how John K. feels about this. they just stole
> his creation, shut down his company and gave his characters and his job
> to his partner Bob Camp. <Perhaps stole is too strong a word, since they did
> pay him for it>. Would this constitute a betrayal by a former partner?
> 
  Perhaps there are some good signs by this, though.  First off, the show 
is not going to someone who did not work on it before;  it is moving from 
the hands of John K. to Bob Camp.  I welcome this sign;  I had feared a 
whole new group coming in and taking over the show.
 
Secondly, maybe it's simply a shake-up of authority.  Perhaps the company 
is putting Bob Camp in charge to get the episodes moving faster, yet 
keeping John K. on?  Perhaps they are just changing jobs, with Bob Camp 
heading the design and John K. an advisor.  From what has been posted on 
here before, it seems John K. is worn-out from creating Ren and Stimpy.  
Maybe this is welcome relief to him (we can't understand what HE feels 
about it unless one of us knew him)
 
Or maybe it's the end of Ren and Stimpy.  It's really open at this point 
until we know more.
 
--CLJ
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: PLEASE send a letter to Nickelodeon!  (like this one, perha
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:48:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <66631@cup.portal.com> sjthomas@cup.portal.com (Stephen J Thomas) writes:
>  
>I think it could be important that protest letters be directed to an
>appropriate individual at Nick, rather than just a Dear Sir or Madam letter
>to the "Programming Dept", or whatever.
>  

Perhaps letters should be addressed to Vanessa Coffey. She's the last
person listed in the credits as a Nickelodeon producer, or something like
that.  She may not be in charge of hiring/firing John K., but she's a
contact between R&S and Nick.

Also, don't be abusive in the letter. This should go without saying,
but I think it's important to emphasize this.  Make your case for
re-hiring John K., how much you enjoy R&S, and that without his
creative input the show will lose it's popularity and cult status.
Nick thinks profits.  If they think firing John K. will, in the 
long run, lose ratings for R&S; they might reconsider.



-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: wooledge@ces.cwru.edu (Greg Wooledge)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Re: Ren & Stimpy to appear on Krusty The Klown Show?
Keywords: not quite right in the head
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:02:58 GMT
Organization: Crusaders for Truth
NNTP-Posting-Host: john.ces.cwru.edu

bates@spica.ucsb.edu (Bates) writes:

>A month ago, everyone on
>this group was saying, "Come on!  You fat bloated eediots at Nick!  WHere
>are all the new episodes!!?!!??"

No, a vocal minority on this group was screaming for new episodes.  There
were quite a few of us who said nothing at all.

Be *very* careful with words like "everyone".
-- 
Greg Wooledge          /..\			Wizard in training.
wooledge@ces.cwru.edu  \--/ Have a day.
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From: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Subject: Re: Bob Camp to Take Over R&S Production
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:56:37 GMT

Sorry, kids...Bob Camp just ain't got it...  
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