From: guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: My! This seems a bit Unilateral!
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:12:02 GMT

Well, as a subscriber to a couple BBSes in the area, here is
my two bits worth.  (Inflation!)

First, I think all this squabbling is a rediculous exchange
to be going on amongst people who probably think of
themselves as adults.

In article <1992Sep14.190343.17644@fnx.uucp> del@fnx.uucp (Dag Erik Lindberg) writes:
>In <1992Sep14.004105.29786@ssc.wa.com> markz@ssc.wa.com (Mark Zenier) writes:
>
>>news@fnx.uucp (News Administrator) writes:
>>: ignored.  I have seen few if any complaint regarding a sysadmin taking it
>>: upon themselves to arbitrarily create a group with NO DISCUSSION, never
>>: mind no vote.
>
>>We (news adminstrators) VOTE with "our" systems active and sys files.
>>If a newsgroup is worthwhile, It gets added locally, and if
>>it's really worthless, can be obliviated and/or not forwarded.
>
>>That veto power makes a poll a courtesy, but nothing more.
>
>I hope you are kidding Mark.  I have this picture in my mind of what the
>net would be like if the whole net were to adopt this attitude, world
>wide, in the comp, rec, news, talk, and soc groups.  The 'alt' hierarchy
>would become a cancer that would overwhelm the net.      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
              ^^^^^^^^
As if it isn't already?

>No, I have to disagree with you.  Discussion and polls in new group
>creation are critical in maintaining some semblance of order outside
>of the alt hierarchy.  Since there is no central authority in Usenet,
>the only tool we have to maintain this order is peer pressure.
>
>I personally think Kimbro.com is way out of line.  I resent having the
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>seattle.forsale newsgroup created, as there is now another newsgroup I
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why?  Because he didn't ask _you_?  From what I have seen posted, 
a lot of people who were asked about this, or other subjects, 
didn't even bother to respond!  Did you?

>have to scan.  Seattle.general is so low traffic that after my kill 

Huh?  It must take all of 5 secs. to scan less than a screen of
text and hit "cy" if there is nothing there that interests you!

>file is done processing there is usually only one screen full of subject
>headings to select from.  *personally* I don't think it is worth it, and
>haven't subscribed to the new group.  Anything I have for sale will get
>posted to seattle.general.  Had there been a discussion on this, I might

That is OK with me.  I already kill anything that says "sale" or "wanted"

>have been swayed by general opinion.  Since the attitude seems to be
>"Well, anybody can do anything they want, and we will vote with our
>sys files", then I will vote with my sys file to not propagate seattle.forsale
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Does this mean that if I am using a BBS downstream from you I won't 
be able to see seattle.forsale?  If so, Thanks A LOT!!

>Likewise, there is no reason to have a separate seattle.admin group, so
>I will crosspost anything I put in seattle.admin over to seattle.general.
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Thanks alot, again!  More petty bickering and squabbling among the
sysops to look forward to!  (Q?  Can I kill by poster id? Anybody?)

>-- 
>del AKA Erik Lindberg                             uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
>                          Who is John Galt?
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Who cares?
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