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From: cscon134@uoft02.utoledo.edu (John Heiden UNIVERSITY OF TOLEDO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Execs ON THE NET??
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:17:50 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <BxxLF5.Hy0@unix.amherst.edu>, atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin) writes:
> Could it be that the rec.arts.disney board was set up by Disney executives??
> Are they monitoring our postings?  Surreptitiously gaining insight into the
> mind of the public?  Are Jeffrey Katzenberg's two assistants reporting our
> discussions to him?  If you were an executive at Disney, would you post??
> What is @walt.disney.com?  More interesting than the JFK conspiracy theories,
> eh?
> 
> 
> 	** Ala"ddi"n **
> 
> 	"There will be riches and magical places
> 	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
> 
-- 
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I don't know about that, but I do know that at least some Disney employees
DO read this forum.  No, I don't mean part time parks employees that read
this group in their spare time.  I wouldn't be surprised that some junior
executives DO read or at least hear about what goes on here.  And perhaps
even get a good laugh out of our opinions or even the mis-information
that gets propigated.


John Heiden
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                                       Dept. of Computer Services

CSCON134@Uoft02.UTOLEDO.EDU            The University of Toledo
CSCON134@Uoft02.BITNET                 Toledo, Ohio     U.S.A.
From: billy@irvine.com (* Bouncer **)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Visiting Disneyland on Thanksgiving Day
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:17:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA

>We are taking a vacation to California next week and are planning
>to visit Disneyland on Thanksgiving Day.  Does anyone know if this
>is a very busy day or if we can look forward to short lines?
 
Very good question! Unfortunatly, I have some bad news. I've been a
Disneyland annual pass holder for 6 years now so every Thanksgiving I
go to the park for a few hours to check out the Christmas shows and,
well, every year Thankgivng day is an apsolute zoo! At least 70
thousand people are in the park and lines for the "Mountain" rides are
at least two hours long! So, if you can possibly avoid Thanksgiving
day, do so! Unfortunatly, all holiday seasons are crouded, but if you could change your visit to either the day before or the day after, I'm sure you'll have a more pleasing visit.

P.S. I don't know how long your vacation is, but if your going to be in town on the monday after Thanksgiving, by all means go then! The park is only open from 10 a.m to 6 p.m. but you can walk though all the attractions with practicly no line at all.
From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Which laserdisc version should I get?
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:40:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
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In <By1ADD.93L@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> awai@rainbow.UWaterloo.ca (Alex Wai) writes:

>I'm completely ignorant about all these different versions of the Beauty  
>and Beast Laserdisc.

>I just want a CAV version of the entire movie (in letterbox if available).

>What versions are available and what will they contain?


I'm not sure what you mean by "all these different versions" of the
laserdisk.  Perhaps you're confused by all the rumors.  Only *one*
version has been *announced*: the letterboxed, CAV, "work-in-progress"
version.  Any talk of a version with fully completed animation or a
pan&scan version is speculation.  There have been rumors here and in
rec.video.releases about these things possibly being available in the
fall of '93.  Disney's official line is the usual "no plans".  My
personal belief is that they will release a version with completed
animation (this is what I *believe* based on their past releases, I
haven't heard any official information).

The WIP version contains the entire movie, but around 30% of it is
pencil sketches and other forms of incomplete animation.  The
soundtrack is complete and there are a couple of pieces of
supplementary material (alternate version of "Be Our Guest", and
"making of..." type stuff).

So if you want to own a copy now, you have exactly one choice.  The
street date for the WIP laserdisk is sometime next week (11/24, I
think).

Curt
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: more Disney-bashing, Simpsons style
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:48:52 EST

In article <1992Nov16.055609.3914@news.unomaha.edu>
torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
 
>
>amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu  writes:
>> Ok, who skipped the election coverage Tuesday nite and saw the Simpsons?  I
>> don't know if this episode was a rerun or not, but I just loved the
>> Disney parodies in this one, in which Homer punishes Bart by not letting him
>> see "the movie of our generation", the Itchy and Scratchy Movie...
>> (spoiler protection here)
>> 
>> ...and a TV documentary on the "history" of I&S lists an early cartoon hit,
>> "Steamboat Itchy" (or is it Scratchy?), with the mouse (I think it's
>> Itchy) whistling and steering the steamboat, *exactly* like Mickey in Steamboat
>> Willie--round ears to notch!  Of course, it ends a bit more violently, as I&S
>> cartoons always do...
>>
>> ...and the theatre marquee announcing
>>
>> 		Classics in Animation!
>> 	THE ITCHY AND SCRATCHY MOVIE!!!!!!!
>>
>> 	with "Beauty and the Beast" (in very small letters)
>>
>> Gotta love it!
>
>It was an original episode.
>And please don't repeat the "Be Our Guest" flames of what's appropriate.
>It's funny.  Disney is well known.  Disney is ripe for satirization.
>
>Torsten at Omaha
>
>
   Actually, I thought it was very respectfully done.  Steamboat Ichy,
in terms of techniques, seemed dead on target.  A lot of care seemed to have
been lavished on it.
   They also (I think) spoofed Warner Brothers Looney Tunes as well.  The
WWII bit seemed right out of WB's wartime cartoons.
   Actually, my favorite bit was the Korean cartoon factory.  (Being a Korean
national...)
 
 
************************************************************************
   "INSANITY IS A VIRTUALLY IMPREGNABLE GAMBIT...
BUT YOU HAVE TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK EARLY IN THE GAME..."
 
    JUNSOK YANG (YANJUNA@YALEVM.YCC.EDU)
From: awai@rainbow.UWaterloo.ca (Alex Wai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Which laserdisc version should I get?
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:29:37 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

I'm completely ignorant about all these different versions of the Beauty  
and Beast Laserdisc.

I just want a CAV version of the entire movie (in letterbox if available).

What versions are available and what will they contain?


Thanks,

Alex
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From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:10:59 GMT

Keywords:
In article <1992Nov16.055229.3782@news.unomaha.edu> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
>I wonder, it it weren't for these inconsistencies, if BatB would have won the
>Oscar for Be(a)st Film.
>
>I also wonder, with all of the inconsistencies, how it was nominated in the 
>first place...

Inconsistencies are often irrelevant to winning an Oscar [for the Best
Picture], unless they are annoyingly noticeable.  I found goofs in B&tB
not very noticeable (Remember in Star Wars a storm trooper bumps his
head against the door?).
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: Help:  Working for Disney Writing Staff?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:29:08 GMT

menees@utkvx3.utk.edu  writes:
> 	Does anyone out there know how Disney hires their writers?  I research
> Fairy Tales and have been working on developing a scene play for a specific one
> for the last year between semesters.  Who should I write to? Do they accept
> samples of work (some won't for legal reasons)?  Any suggestions, addresses,
> ANYTHING!  I would be ever so grateful for any help you can give.
> 
> 				Thanks in advance,  Stacey Menees

If you plan to make a living at it, get an agent.  The Screenwriters Guild of
America-West publishes a list of agents.  Copyright your script throught the 
Library of Congress ($10), and also register it with the SWG.  Also, take a 
screenwriting class; it will help you with your writing.

Torsten at Omaha
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:08:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <jdd.13@oliafd.shel.isc-br.com> jdd@oliafd.shel.isc-br.com (Judy D. Daniluk) writes:
>
>The prince was 20 when he was turned into the beast.  The enchantment had 
>only lasted one year at the time Belle arrived.  Lumiere's remark about 
>'10 years we've been rusting' means that the household items were neglected
>for 9 years previous to the enchantment, and he includes himself in the
>statement out of a love of histrionics.  (I think it would be in character
>for Lumiere to exaggerate.)

Uh oh, not this again! :-)

That's an interesting thought, but what about when the narrator says
"As the *years* passed, he fell into despair and lost all hope...?"
The narrator is not a character--I seriously doubt that he'd be
exaggerating as well; he implies quite a number of years.  BTW, the
voice of Cogsworth is the narrator, but he doesn't sound like
Cogsworth here.  I still believe that this really is an honest-to-
<insert favorite deity here> inconsistency.  It sets the mood well,
and doesn't seem to detract from the film (for me, at least).


- Robert Cook
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: roger rabbit (was: is
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:17:26 GMT

"eric walker"  writes:
> CS>>CL>while not a classic Disney feature, I thought I'd mention that my nearly
> CS>>CL>three year old daughter hates the scene in Roger Rabbit where the detecti
> CS>>CL>is kidnapped to Toon Town and gets a pig's head on him (against his will)
> CS>>     That scene was never in the theatrical release of WHO FRAMED ROGER
> CS>>     RABBIT, nor was it in the official video release.  I saw the scene,
> CS>As I recall, that scene was included when the movie was shown on network TV.
>      Ah yes, that makes sense.  I haven't watched a movie on TV in ages,
>      as they are inevitably ruined by commercialitus interruptus and
>      censorship of so-called language and violence.  Thanks for the
>      reminder.
> 
	Who Framed Roger Rabbit will be shown by CBS on Saturday, November 28,
at 8 PM, CST.  I don't suppose that the dressing room scene will be shown?

Torsten at Omaha 
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From: kmc8z@Virginia.EDU ("***** Tina C *****")
Subject: goofy ties
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:58:52 GMT

a couple of years ago...under a little bit of protest...my
sister bought my day a mickey mouse tie....

now he wears it all the time when he goes to his ",mickey
mouse" meetings with the government...

have any of you ever seen a "goofy" tie...or know where I can
get a catalog which includes one?

thanks....
tina
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From: amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: Re: Belle's Character (was Re: Sanitizing
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:54:43 GMT

In article <41328@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:

>As for the time she seemed to be helpless in the cellar, I think I'd
>feel that way, too.  Time is critical, and there's no apparent way
>to escape quickly enough to save Beast.

She wasn't exactly helpless--she was trying to force the window open, and
with all the bars on it, it's pretty obvious that simply breaking it won't
make an opening big enough to get out.

>Geez, I'd prefer a bookish, fairly intelligent, basically strong-
>charactered heroine over a "battle-maiden" any day (imagine "Bad
>Belle, Beyond Thunderdome").

Now THERE's an idea for a sequel!!!  Much better than having Belle and
say Jasmine do Thelma and Louise 2.  Hope all those Disney exec-types listening
out there are reading this!
---
Amberle Ferrian		 |  Mondays are the diamond lane on the freeway
<amberle@epx.cis.umn.edu>|   of hell--another Murphy's Lay corollary

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: ALADDIN!!!!! WoW!
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:06:26 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <92323.083050ICWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>
>I also want a copy on laser disc so I can watch the "Cave of Wonders" sequences
>over and over.

If Disney holds true to form, you've got two years to wait... /SIGH

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:40:11 -0500 
From: Steve_Lammert@transarc.com
Subject: Disney 4Q Earnings

    4th Quar Sept. 30:
                       1992            1991
 Revenues        $2,075,087,000 $1,716,855,000
 Net income         223,738,000    174,054,000
 Avg shrs:          537,810,000    533,032,000
 Shr earn:
  Net income                .42            .33


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From: bd670@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell I. Dyreng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: WDW neophyte
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:00:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis) writes:

>In a previous article, akfirat@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Kenan Akfirat) 
>says:
>
>>Please advise as to which guide book is best for purchase for 
>>WDW?  

[Stuff deleted]
>We found Steve Birnbaum's guide very helpful.  However, since he 
>has died in the past few years, some material may be outdated.  
>Some of it is basic, though, and still applies.  Yoaur local 
>public library may have it.  Have a BLAST!

I too am preparing for my first trip.  I went down to the store
and bought Birnbaum's Official Guide.  There were some parts of
it that I found informative.  Later I found myself in the local
library and checked out another book on WDW (I forget the title
and author).

I found quite a difference between the two books.  The book that
I checked out from the library was much more objective and 
thorough than Birnbaum's.  Birnbaum's book, being sanctioned by
Disney pretty much speaks the party line.  The book from the I
got from the library spoke not only to the good aspects but also
mentioned attractions that could be skipped if you didn't have 
the time as well as restaurants to avoid and why.

I wish that I had gone to the library first.  
-- 
Russ
bd670@cleveland.freenet.edu
Remember-any advice that I give you may be worth exactly what
you paid for it.
From: mah@att.com (Mark Hargrove)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: new avonlee episodes?
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:27:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.disney
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Freehold, NJ

anyone know anything about new Avonlee episodes.
(beyond the two for the end of this month)

Mark
--

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AT&T Bell Labs
mah@fjtlb.att.com
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From: steve@forte.com (Steve Langley)
Subject: Haunted Mansion Mark I
Organization: Forte Software Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:01:15 GMT


I've often heard stories about how Walt saw the first (more or less
completed) version of the Haunted Mansion and said "Nope, too scary.
Start over". They left the exterior standing and gutted the interior,
resulting in the current attraction. (This was supposed to be the reason
the Haunted Mansion was opened so much later than the original estimates.)

About all I've got are pretty dim (25 year old) memories to go on.
I seem to remember that the Haunted Mansion Mark I was supposed to
be a walk-through, and that the "Doom Buggies" were added with the
redesign. I also seem to recall there was a segment on the Disney
TV show which previewed a theme restaurant that was supposed to be
integrated into the attraction (like the Blue Bayou is with Pirates).
Would've been cool, if so.

Can anybody provide *details* to expand on this story? Or refute it?
What was in the Mark I that Walt didn't like? Was it too scary, or just
not up to his standards? Is there anything left of the earlier version,
or was the Mark II a complete redesign? Some weeks ago someone posted
something about the EuroDisney version which implied that some of the
Mark I concepts have resurfaced there; is that so?

If anyone can provide more information (or tell me that this story is untrue)
I would love to get the real scoop.

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From: dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes)
Subject: Re: Disneyland Update
Summary: DL as of 11/15/92
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Castle Walkthrough
Organization: Will pay money for food.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:17 EST  

In article <1992Nov18.034012.14928@pmarlowe.uucp>, 
  russell@pmarlowe.cts.com (Russell Shanks) writes...

>   The Castle Walkthrough is CLOSED.  It's entrance canopy is gone and
>   I asked around in City Hall.  They confirmed that it's gone for good.

  Wow.  I was just there two weeks ago, and it was open with no sign to
  indicate it might be closing.

>   Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln was down, but was not listed on the
>   rehab lists at the ticket booths.

  It's there.  It's listed as "The Walt Disney Story".

 - snopes

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From: r_miller@oz.plymouth.edu (Becky ...)
Subject: Re: Is this idea worthy?
Reply-To: r_miller@oz.plymouth.edu (Becky ...)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:39:25 GMT


Well just to stick in my two cents worth...my all time favorite Disney
animated movie is Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, without a doubt!
:-)
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: Which Laserdisc should I get?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:14:43 GMT

6-5058%wwiv@tweekco.uucp  writes:
> RE: Which laserdisc version should I get?
> BY: awai#rainbow.UWaterloo.ca (Alex Wai) @511
> ...My best guess is that CLV and CAV discs of the completed film will be out
> sometime in the Spring of '93.  Usually, the discs follow the tape releases by
> about four or five months (although, come to think of it, I don't think I've
> seen 101 Dalmations out on disc yet.)  It's about time Disney put someone in
> charge of their Laserdisc releases who knows and cares about the Laserdisc
> audience.  With the sole exception of "Fantasia", their disc releases have been
> ill-timed and often problem-plagued (remember the first pressing of the CAV
> "Little Mermaid", with its jittery still-motion frames?)  I hereby volunteer my
> services, and can be reached at this electronic address.;-)
> Speaking of discs, is a letterboxed edition of "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea"
> ever going to come out here?  There's a Japanese version which looks great, but
> I don't care for the subtitles....

I prefer the CAV laserdiscs.  CAV discs store the images by frames, thus 
allowing the viewer to study the film frame by frame.  They are usually priced
$10 more than CLV discs, which is a small price to pay.  The Fantasia Limited 
Edition is CAV.

Does anyone know of a laserdisc player with a multi-LD cartridge, so that five 
discs could be loaded at once?

Torsten at Omaha
From: brett@surfpix.princeton.edu (Brett Borowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Purchased Disney Stock. Now What?
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:59:47 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster


A woman I work with just found out that her Disney Stock no longer
qualifies her for accomodation discounts.  Oh, well.  Her friend's
Magic Kingdom Card, does, however, so she'll be rebooking.  Any
confimations on this?

Brett@surfpix.princeton.edu

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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: Aladdin Music Question
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:49:17 GMT

Kevin Scharf (kgscharf@napier.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
> Just a quick query about the songs in Aladdin.  
> 
> Which songs were composed by Ashman and Menkin, and which by Menkin and Rice?  I couldn't tell the difference.  Should I have been able to?
> 

"Arabian Nights", "Friend Like Me", and "Prince Ali" were Ashman/Menken.

"One Jump Ahead" and reprise, "A Whole New World", and "Prince Ali - Reprise"
were Menken/Rice.

	--Ala"ddi"n

 
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