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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Wisconsin's offense finally shows...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:45:33 GMT
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The UW offense, which has been the team's downfall most of the year, finally
exploded in a 34-6 win over Minnesota Saturday. Darrell Bevell finally played
a mistake-free game completing 11 of 15 passes for 112 yards, while the
Badgers ran over, around and through the Gopher defense to the tune of 268
yards in 56 carries. Brent Moss continued to be the workhorse, getting 137     
yards on 23 carries. UW has dearly missed Terrell Fletcher's breakaway speed
as he got 85 yards on only nine carries Saturday.

This game was all Wisconsin. The Gophers trailed only 7-6 after a quarter,
but UW dominated the rest of the way. Moss and Fletcher ran up the middle all
day and Bevell finally hit his open receivers. UM had only 52 yards rushing on
31 attempts. 

All in all, a good showing for the Badgers, but probably too little, too late.
There's talk of a possible bowl bid (Freedom, Peach, Copper or Independence),
but only if UW can get by Northwestern. This is a game UW should win, but on
the road anything can happen. Northwestern is much-improved and if they stack
the line, can probably slow down the UW running game. If the 'Cats make 
Bevell win it, the game could be close. The real battle should be between a
good Northwestern offense and a tough UW defense. I doubt if the 'Cats will be
able to run the ball, but smart QBs can pick apart the Badger D, at little
chunks at a time, all day. Should at least be an interesting game.

Only 48,754 came to Camp Randall, a sign of shitty weather and a somewhat
discouraged following. I still believe that this team, other than Michigan,
is on a talent level equal to or beyond any other team in the Big 10. It's
just a matter of growing up, and seeing a little bit more imaginative play-
calling. Unfortunately, (or maybe fortunately) just about all of the Big 10
coaches suffer from the same disease. "Three yards and a cloud of dust-itis."

At least UW hockey finished 1-0-1 in a weekend series with the archrival
Gophers!

--salty

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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: no respect in the AP
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:53:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.030330.10204@walter.bellcore.com> lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>1970, Nebraska won the AP MNC with a 11-0-1 record while Toledo
>finished 12th with a 12-0 mark.

somebody help my faulty memory here...wasn't this the year that
toledo played in the tangerine bowl and got crushed 49-0 by
a stronger opponent (i.e., non-MAC) but then got awarded the
victory due to recruiting violations by their opponent?  seems
like my "MAC history" has some sort of story in there...

>1973, Miami(OH) finished #15 despite having a 12-0 record (better than
>AP MNC Notre Dame's 11-0 mark but hey, they're Notre Dame!)
>
and didn't Miami (the other is Miami(FL), btw...) beat then #7-ranked
LSU during the mid-80s, and hardly get a "jump" in the AP???

>So take heart Aggies, we'll always remember the '92 Texas A&M team with the
>MAC powerhouses Toledo and Miami of the early 70's and the '75 indians
>
it seems like somebody had a posting of undefeated non-MNCs they
posted a couple of years ago.  i should have saved it.  as i recall,
TOSU was on the list a couple of times. .
>
drew 
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Prediction Answers
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:45:47 GMT

ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com wrote:
: I feel you can not ignore variables such as jersey color and homecoming
: in the college football environment.

If this is *really* how you pick games, my offer from last week still
stands...   Tell me which games you want to bet, and how much...
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Iowa-Minesota score, anyone?
Keywords: Cougar bowl hopes 
Organization: Washington State University
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 02:41:30 GMT

In article <26896@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>Did Iowa win this game (no scores on CNN headnline news..)?
>Us Pac10 bigots (esp. from mid-level Pac10 teams) are hoping
>that Iowa (now 5-6) does not win and become eligible for
>the Copper Bowl, so 8-3 WSU or some 7-4 Pac10 team isn't
>passed up for them....

Well, I don't want to get all of our hopes up to soon, but I think  
Jim Livengood heard something good tonight.  In addition to what was
reported on KXLY (Spokane) earlier, KHQ (Spokane) just now all but 
said that the Cougars *will* be going to:

1) the Copper Bowl, if USC beats UCLA (yes, I said USC and UCLA)

or 

2) the Freedom Bowl, if UCLA upsets USC

They made it sound like almost a sure thing that we are going somewhere.
I'm still worried.

Jim
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Official PAC-10 Ruling: UW
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:56:09 GMT

As expected, the PAC-10 president *officially* accepted the 
recommendations of the PAC-10 investigation committee,
announcing today that UW will not forfeit any games as 
a result of the Hobert loan.

Jim

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Torretta vs. Graves
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:18:41 GMT

In article <17615@borg.cs.unc.edu> melo@gluck.cs.unc.edu (Roberto Melo) writes:
> Comments about the Syracuse vs. Miami game this saturday.....
> 
> Go Oragemen nail those 'Canes in the Dome.
     ^^^^^^^^ 

You heard it second from ...unc.edu.  First from Mr. Brent hyping the
game during the end of the BC/Syracuse game (hmm, also an ABC telecast).   

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:18:26 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov20.235744.11609@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>
>>>Bottom line, the only explanation I can see for this is margin of victory.
>>>Miami has schedule strength, they have Won/lost/tie total, they have defense,
>>> etc...  Does anyone out there realize that Iowa, Arizona, FSU, PSU, TCU, 
>							     ^^^
>>>and Temple all had their WORST offensive point totals against Miami???
>		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>
>>FSU got 16 points against Miami, but only 13 against Virginia.
>>
>>
>>D. Head
>>FSU `91
>
>Ok, and we already know that Miami didn't hold TCU to their lowest score,
>either.  Meeks, is any of this correct?
>
>GT

My fault... my paper had incorrect results in it..  The true list is...
Iowa, Arizona (though that isn't true after this week), PSU, Temple, 
and now Syracuse..  (Oh yeah, throw Florida A&M in there as well).
It is funny, the Boston Globe STILL has the score of the Miami/TCU game as
45-0 under the Miami list, but 10-45 under the TCU list??  Go figure...  


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From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Va Tech loses to UVa (again)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:57:32 GMT
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In article <1eqpveINNqt5@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
|> In article <1eqp9vINNq6v@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >The last touchdown of the game was definitely the 
|> >best.  There was very little time left, and a very
|> >long bomb is caught putting us inside the ten.
|> 
|> Unfortunatly, that touchdown should have never happened. UVa 
|> intercepted a DeShazo pass and when the player was down, a Tech
|> receiver wrestled the ball away. I saw the replay on the Virginia
|> football Show yesterday and it clearly should have been an 
|> interception. Instead, the officials gave the ball to Tech. Welsh,
|> the TV commentator on the Coaches show and both of the radio 
|> announcers calling the game were adament that it should have been
|> ruled an interception. The next play was the TD pass. 
|> 

I'm not going to argue that point.  From my vantage point, I was
unable to see that completion of the play.  So I'll accept that
play went our way.  Give us 2 or 3 more like it and we'll call it 
even.  Bad calls are part of the game.  By my count UVa got away
with 3 *blatant* pass interferences during the course of the game.
Obviously I see through maroon glasses, but I think it is safe
to say that UVa got more breaks from the officials than they lost.
But I'm not complaining - thats all part of the game.

If George & Co. are bitching about the last TD, then lessons in
good sportsmanship and being a gracious winner are in order.
UVa won, as they should have, and I feel that final score was 
indicative of game played last Saturday.

BTW, if your source said 5 INTs is a *new* record, it is mistaken.
It ties a record of Will Furrer throwing 5 INTs in last years
0-7 NC State defeat.
 
Michael Nelson

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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: OU over OSU woof
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:51:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.111657@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov15.190338.28639@a.cs.okstate.edu>, chen@a.cs.okstate.edu (SMITH LISA MIN-YI) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov13.213733.22015@spdc.ti.com> dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>> >Useless, if you're not an OU or OSU fan, I guess.  I was just trying to get
>> >a response from a poke fan.  But those are few and far between.  
>> >I suppose you're right, it was useless.
>> 
>> Why respond to a 'useless' article?
>> 
>> Whatcha think about OU going for the tie instead of the win?  Kinda lowering
>> your standards, huh?
>> 
>> - lisa
>> 
>
>Gee, what to do you think OU was doing for the 40 seconds before the field goal?
>Going for the win.  That's what.  

So whats your point?  That OU should have just kicked the field goal on
first down, instead?  OF COURSE they were trying to get into the endzone
on downs 1-3, what are they supposed to do?  Lisa is asking if it was
Gibbs wimping out by not TRYING to win the game on 4th down.  

I think Gibbs knows his career is totally over if he loses to OSU, but
at least a tie will keep his paycheck coming in till the end of the season.

One point that the OSU qb made was:  that OU tied OSU, not the other
way around.  It was OU that had to kick the field goal in a game that
they never lead.  

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 is ACC of College Football
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:53:58 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

fIn article <1992Nov23.041811.24421@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n8443916@henson.cc.wwu.ed
u (John Gossman) writes:
>
>       The 8 bowl eligible teams in the Pac-10 are 19-4-1 against
>all non-conference foes, with two of the losses being to #1 Miami
>and #3 Texas A&M (and each of those could have easily gone the
>other way).  But as a result of pummeling each other, only UW
>will be going to a major Bowl (well Stanford may get into the
>Blockbuster, but that has more to do with Penn St. being weak and
>Bill Walsh than respect for the Pac-10).
>       I wish we had a 64-team tourney like in basketball.  Then
>we could hear the pollsters (especially the damned coaches, UW #13
>get that s***  out of here) say "Wow, 6 Pac-10 teams in the Sweet
>Sixteen, they must have been tougher than we thought" every year,
>just like they underestimate the ACC in Basketball every year.
>       Of course, that would add 5 more weeks to College Football
>season (hmmmm, maybe not so bad after all).
>
>       -JG
>
 You know, I've often wished for the same thing so the ACC could get the due
 it deserves as a conference in terms of football.  Ga. Tech, Clemson, NC
 State, Virginia, Wake and FSU are always contenders for the top 20, and even the
 top spot, while Maryland is proving that they can expect to compete with in
 the next two seasons, while continuing to churn out pro quarterbacks at an
 alarming rate.  Just another woof for the ACC to tide me over untill tobacco
 road basketball heats up.
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From: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re:  Greatest of the Eighties (BOWL BOUND)
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:13:13 GMT
Reply-To: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Nov18.144105.10080@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>Actually the FSU kicking game was not a weakness with Derek Schmidt.  It has
>only been since he left that FSU has had problems getting the ball through the
>uprights.  I seem to recall that Derek left FSU as the leading all-time scorer
>in FSU history.

Yes and no. If I remember correctly, in that particular game ('87) that
was replayed in the computer cimulation, Derek missed two FGs and two
extra points. 8 points blown in a 1 point loss.

But, yes, he was at one point (not sure if he still is) the all-time
NCAA scoring leader. I would assume that he still is for FSU.

David Poore
poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
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Subject: thanks minnesota!
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:05:31 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
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Thank you, University of Minnesota!!!

  Your season ending thumping of Iowa has done a great service for
college football. Had the now 5-7 Hawkeyes won, they would have 
played in a bowl, possibly taking a spot away from more deserving
squads like Washington State(8-3).

Washington State is 8-3 with victories over Washington(9-2), UCLA(6-5),
Arizona(6-4-1), and Fresno State(6-4). They were not mentioned in
any of the projected bowl matchups before  their Nov 21 victory over
Washington. Then 5-6 Iowa had only to beat 1-9 Minnesota to lock up
a bowl bid.
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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: Great Big 8 QBs
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:38:31 GMT
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In article <1992Nov19.102845@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree) writes:
>
>     Steve Owens - OU    ???
>
>There must be some more Nebraska quarterbacks here.  Help us out!


I forgot about Steve Owens, isn't he in broadcasting?  I believe he used to do
the Barry Switzer Show in Oklahoma.  A couple of Nebraska QBS

	Dave Humm - NU Alum - NFL Oakland Raiders, Backed up Jim Plunkett for many
					years, currently a broadcaster for UNLV.(1)

	Steve Taylor - NU Alum - Played in Canada for a while.

(1) Hard to believe that NU used to be a passing team with Vinnie Ferragamo and
David Humm at the controls, isn't it?
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Michigan
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:35:17 GMT

In article <BxtEoM.G9x@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg ) writes:
>Actually, what we don't deserve is assholes like Michigan's coach who wouldn't
>even shake the hand of Northwestern's coach.  Not only can't he count, but
>he's a jerk as well.
>
>
>*******************************************************************************
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>

Not the handshake thing again.  NW's coach was making some pretty rude 
comments the week prior to the game and I guess Moeller wasn't too 
pleased about it.  Why shake the hand of another coach who basically 
calls you "a cheater"?  Notice that Mo did shake Tepper's hand after 
the tie and congratulated him on a good game (the ABC mikes picked 
up the audio).  After being knocked out of any chance he might 
have had at the MNC, I'd hardly call his reaction that of an "asshole".  
Think what you will.  Personally, I've questioned his coaching moves 
but still think Mo's a decent man.
---
Steve
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Subject: slanted schedule stat
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:12:31 EST
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NC State (8-2-1) ends their regular season at home Nov 21 against
Wake Forest (7-3, 6 straight wins).

If Wake Forest makes the Top 25 this week, it will mark the 7th time
this season that the Wolfpack has squared off against an opponent
that was ranked at gametime. A bowl game will probably make 8 such
showdowns for NC State.


Stanford (8-3) has possibly played seven games against opponents that
were ranked at gametime. I count 6 + 1 possible. (Arizona was 2-2-1 when
Stanford played them so I tend to think they were not yet in the Top 25.)


Georgia Tech may also face their 7th opponent ranked at gametime when
they play Georgia. Georgia will definately be ranked, but I'm not sure
if Baylor, or North Carolina were in the Top 25 when they played
the Yellow Jackets err Rambling Wreck.


It is conceivable that Texas A&M could win the national championship
while only playing two games against opposition ranked at gametime.
(Stanford + Cotton Bowl opponent) . I don't think Baylor was ranked
when they played A&M in that controversial contest, and Texas will
have to win at Baylor Nov 21 to have any chance of being ranked when
they play A&M on Thanksgiving.
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From: Jim Pinkelman <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu>
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.194506.19045@mlb.semi.harris.com> David Head, 
dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:

>year.  But, I have heard that we lose Tulane for Notre Dame next year. 
If

>to have to win (even if Notre Dame is in Tallahassee instead).  Can
anyone
>confirm?

Florida State at Notre Dame, Nov 13  
		(It snowed in South Bend on Nov 13 this year)
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:16:27 GMT

John R. Boisseau (Jay) (boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Well, Scott is probably an Aggie ;-) but he's also got a good point. Of

Jay, who told you!!!  But isn't it contrary to all that is orange(ish) to
admit that an Aggie had a good point?

:^)
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