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From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: Night vision
Keywords: Where is that lane??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:40:01 GMT

mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:

>I had a very unpleasant experience while driving home last night:
>
>  [Scary story about idiot night driver deleted]
>
>What it left me thinking was that it seems the DMV does not really
>test night vision at all. You peer down a backlit viewer, and read
>some numbers, but you never really have to do anything like find
>a badly worn road marker on a rainy night. This should be easy
>enough to simulate, and then restrict people with uncorrectable
>night vision to daylight hours. Seems like just asking someone
>to read some poorly lit eye charts might suffice for testing this.
>
>Do y'all think it's reasonable to test for nighttime vision? What
>about restricting bad night vision folks to daylight driving?

Here, in Ohio, whenever you renew your driver's license (every four
years) you must pass this lame vision test.  Somehow, they also
determine whether or not you can drive at night and they'll actually
put a restriction on your license if you fail this part of the test.
(The test involves putting your face against this doohickey that
enables you to only be able to see ahead of you into this darkened
chamber.  Lights flash on either side of you to see if you have peripheral
vision and you have to read letters and numbers, etc.)

Well, this test is not all that complete, but it is _something_ at least.
Once, tho, while waiting in line at the license bureau to change some tags
on my car, this really old lady was ahead of me and she was getting her
license renewed.  She took the test and everything, but I overheard the
lady behind the counter tell her that she *no longer* had the nighttime
driving restriction.  The lady had to tell her everything three times,
loudly, and the old woman moved like a snail.  No offense intended,
really, my grandmother is exactly this way and I sympathize, but these
people should *hardly* be on the road.  Driving requires split decisions
and quick reactions, these people unfortunately no longer have these
abilities.  And there are plenty out there now who are much younger
and don't have them either.  Driver beware.

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: ++WHISTLER 680/780/880++Which???!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:00:51 GMT

I am looking to upgrade my current radar and saw the following very appealing
choices (All WHISTLER):

     680=> Tri-Band
     780=> Tri-Band
     880=> Tri-Band

Now, I used to have a WHISTLER 2SE and LOVED it.  Can someone give me the run-
down on these three Radars.  Obviously, the 680 is the least $ and the 880 is 
the most!
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Braking distances.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:29:06 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1ds2lbINNg2r@armory.centerline.com>
	<1992Nov13.070620.19475@nntp.hut.fi>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Nov13.070620.19475@nntp.hut.fi> jaa@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Jari Alasuvanto) writes:
 > Sorry, in a message I posted earlier I stated that the coefficient for 
 > friction is around 0.3 for dry road and good tires.

It seems to me that friction between tires and road is the wrong thing
to be looking at here, in trying to determine the deceleration during
effective braking.  For that to be a factor, we're assuming the wheels
are locked and the car is sliding along the surface.  Effective
braking would instead have the tires rolling along the surface and the
brake pads sliding along the disk or drum, right?  So isn't the
friction we're concerned with the friction encountered by the brake
pad?  (Of course, to determine the deceleration caused by that
friction, we need to know how hard we can brake without causing the
tires to lose their traction, and that *is* related to the friction
between the tires and the road surface.  But assuming we're just
teetering below that threshold, braking distance is determined by the
deceleration caused by friction experienced by the brakes themselves,
not the tires.)
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: I-84 Patrols (Conn.)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 23:31:59 EST
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:

> I don't think they use the plane anymore.  Most municipalities gave up
> on air enforcement because it cost too much (in NH it was a
> half-million a year, most of it a deficit, while a cop with a cheap
> radar gun pays for himself hundreds of times over and is a net
> profit).

I think I saw somewhere where some police forces are experimenting
with using ultra-light aircraft for traffic enforcement. Apparently
the cost per operating hour are only a fraction of a conventional
aircraft.

(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: ++WHISTLER 680/780/880++Which???!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:14:38 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Nov12.160051.18768@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
|> I am looking to upgrade my current radar and saw the following very appealing
|> choices (All WHISTLER):
|> 
|>      680=> Tri-Band
|>      780=> Tri-Band
|>      880=> Tri-Band
|> 
|> Now, I used to have a WHISTLER 2SE and LOVED it.  Can someone give
|> me the rundown on these three Radars.  Obviously, the 680 is the
|> least $ and the 880 is  the most!

 The WHISTLERs finished dead last in the recent C&D Radar Detector 
 test.  Based on that, I wouldn't get either.  Get a Valentine 1, 
 if you can wait 6-8 MONTHS!  If not, get a Bell 966 or Passport 3200.

 BTW, the WHISTLERs "pollute" so much, they set other radar detectors
 off at distances up to 4800 feet.  On the other hand, that might be a
 "pain-in-the-ass" reason why to buy one.  ;)


 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: eric@homebase.vistachrome.com (Eric Brunson)
Subject: Re: ***Police intimidation ???
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:42:22 GMT

edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.024246.20735@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>,
>hasch@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Veljko Roskar) writes:

>I'm not a lawyer, but I'll try to give you some logical advice.  First,
>you might talk this over with a lawyer.  Even if you can't afford to
>hire a lawyer for a court appearance, a laywer might be able to give you
>good advice.

Since your account is .edu you might see if there is a Student Legal Services
at your school, there is here at FSU.

[ Lots of rational, logical advice deleted ]
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From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: OK to drive 5 miles without coolant?
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:51:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Thanks to all who responded, both here and by mail.
Thus consensus seems to be:

1.	Driving a Hyundai micro-engine without coolant will
	a)	warp the head, and/or
	b)	seize the engine, and/or
	c)	damage the unlubricated water pump

2.	The solution (obvious now that everyone has said it) is:
	a)	connect the 2 engine-to-firewall coolant hoses together, or
	b)	loop 1 hose back to the other's port on the engine

I will definitely give this a try.

	Thanks again,
		Andrew Shaw
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Night vision
Keywords: Where is that lane??
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:06:02 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <62022@mimsy.umd.edu> hagger@cs.umd.edu (Paul Hagger) writes:
>Does anybody know if the US ever attempted to improve the visibilty of
>road markings in any way?  And if not, why not?

Just fixing the potholes drains enough resources that we have no money
left for cat's eyes (traffic markers). 

Spiros

(wondering why the Indiana dept. of highways took 5 months to repave 
8 miles of two-lane road)... 




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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: mf@dancer.uucp (24227-fusco)
Subject: Re: I-84 Patrols (Conn.)
Organization: On the Road
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 20:17:18 GMT

In article <BxAq6F.G6t@ulowell.ulowell.edu> skrauss@cs.ulowell.edu (Susanne Krauss) writes:
>	
>	There were regular state trooper cars and also
>	some red Mustangs ready to catch anyone who didn't pull

	They still use the 5.0 red/maroon Mustangs...I love those
cars since I too own one and when an alert CT driver sees me approaching 
in the rear view, they usually give way....(-:
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw)
Subject: OK to drive 5 miles without coolant?
Keywords: hyundai excel radiator leak
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:56:40 GMT

This is a (technical) driving question, so I'll ask it here.  Sorry if
it annoys, but I don't read the other.

My wife's 4-cyl Hyundai Excel (no more jokes, please) developed a
coolant leak in the passenger compartment.  The seal around the
piston that goes up and down to control the coolant flow behind
the dash (heater valve?) presumably no longer seals.  To keep this
from flooding the interior, I drained the radiator.  Now I want
to take it to be fixed.  Can I drive ~5 miles to the shop without
coolant (ambient temp about 45F), or do I have to refill the radiator,
drive it with a pan to catch the drips, and then drain it again?
Alternatively, can I disconnect the hoses into the interior, or will
all the coolant boil out of the hose ends if I do so?

Thanks in advance.

	Andrew Shaw
From: Kirk.Smith@launchpad.unc.edu (Kirk Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: ABS vs RADAR
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:31:14 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

Does anyone have the exact frequencies that the various radar (ie: K, X,
and Ka) bands operate in?

I'm noticing false signals from STLs (radio studio-to-transmitter links)
pr{tty regularly.

-ks
From: dan@seismo.pnl.gov (Dan Hagedorn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Night vision
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:23:32 GMT
Reply-To: dan@seismo.pnl.gov
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 1du6n9INNlta@gilligan.East.Sun.COM, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>I had a very unpleasant experience while driving home last night:
>

(Stuff deleted)

>
>What it left me thinking was that it seems the DMV does not really
>test night vision at all. You peer down a backlit viewer, and read
>some numbers, but you never really have to do anything like find
>a badly worn road marker on a rainy night. This should be easy
>enough to simulate, and then restrict people with uncorrectable
>night vision to daylight hours. Seems like just asking someone
>to read some poorly lit eye charts might suffice for testing this.
>
>Do y'all think it's reasonable to test for nighttime vision? What
>about restricting bad night vision folks to daylight driving?
>

An excellent suggestion.  While we're at it, how about requiring an
annual driving certification for those over 65?  I have too many
close calls caused by elderly drivers who either are not paying
attention to their driving, are incapable of reacting within a
reasonable time to changing situations, or are physically impaired
enough to be a true hazard to themselves and others on the road.

I am not slandering people over 65.  Many are fully capable of handling
an auto as well (or better) than younger folks, but really, many are
not as attentive to where they are driving (in their lane, mine, or
on the shoulder of the road).  The fact that reaction times increase 
with age, and the physical senses decrease in sensitivity (eyesight,
hearing) implies that this group of drivers should have an annual
assessment of their capability to drive and react to emergency situations.

I do not think that this situation is particular to the locality where I 
live, but I am sure that those of you reading this post will correct me 
if you believe I am wrong.

No flames - just honest discussion PLEASE.

Dan Hagedorn.
From: rhoades@ll.mit.edu (Captain Chaos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Flashing Headlights
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:26:41 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

When I was in Germany this summer I observed cars using the left-turn
signal to pass and I like the idea a lot.  However, folks around here
don't seem to get it so I just look like a fool with my blinker on
(I've given up trying now).  I asked my aunt and uncle, who lived in
Germany, what the accepted behavior was for asking to pass.  The reply
was that both the headlight flashing and turn signal approach are
illegal, but the turn signal is more tolerated.  The headlight flashing
is considered rather rude and generally isn't done.  Any Germans who
can corroborate?

Andrew
rhoades@ll.mit.edu
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: I-84 Patrols (Conn.)
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:03:20 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

mf@dancer.uucp (24227-fusco) writes:
>In article <BxAq6F.G6t@ulowell.ulowell.edu> skrauss@cs.ulowell.edu (Susanne Krauss) writes:
>>	
>>	There were regular state trooper cars and also
>>	some red Mustangs ready to catch anyone who didn't pull

>	They still use the 5.0 red/maroon Mustangs...

I don't think they use the plane anymore.  Most municipalities gave up
on air enforcement because it cost too much (in NH it was a
half-million a year, most of it a deficit, while a cop with a cheap
radar gun pays for himself hundreds of times over and is a net
profit).

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: ham@wam.umd.edu (Scott Richard Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Flashing Headlights
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:14:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.185800.4046@miki.pictel.com> harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.221800.7883@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Dragos Maciuca) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.202829.12266@ncsu.edu> bcrulifs@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>>>
>Around here, I have found that momentarily dropping (i.e., turning off)
>the headlights generally gets a less hostile response than flashing
>high-beams.  It *could* be interpreted as a "slow down" warning to the
>traffic in the other direction, but folks doing that kind of signal
>usually repeat it several times, while I only do it once from a
>distance, and again if necessary once I have closed with the other
>car.
>
>I find high-beams to be very annoying (especially if they hit you with
>the side mirror), and I suspect that is why folks make all sorts of
>rude gestures and do stupid things like slow down and box you in when
>you signal to pass with them around here.

One problem.  A post to the net several weeks (or months) ago stated that 
he/she got a ticket for momentarily turning OFF the lights to let someone 
pass.  This ticket was given by a nearby cop, and was for driving without
lights at night.  This is VERY ILLEGAL, and I used to do the same thing
until I read this post and realized that the law states that lights must
be on after dark.  While not a nice thing to do, use of high beams is, at
least, within the limits of the law. 


 
Ideally, nobody should EVER get flicked to get over, because you should 
check your mirrors on a regular basis to see how your local environment is
changing.  Of course, most people drive within a vacuum...

Not an insult to anyone on the net - just keep your EYES and EARS open.

Scott 

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From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: OK to drive 5 miles without coolant?
Keywords: hyundai excel radiator leak
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:11:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov9.175640.17551@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ashaw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (andrew.shaw) writes:

> This is a (technical) driving question, so I'll ask it here.  Sorry if
> it annoys, but I don't read the other.
> 
> My wife's 4-cyl Hyundai Excel (no more jokes, please) developed a
> coolant leak in the passenger compartment.  The seal around the
> piston that goes up and down to control the coolant flow behind
> the dash (heater valve?) presumably no longer seals.  To keep this
> from flooding the interior, I drained the radiator.  Now I want
> to take it to be fixed.  Can I drive ~5 miles to the shop without
> coolant (ambient temp about 45F), or do I have to refill the radiator,
> drive it with a pan to catch the drips, and then drain it again?
> Alternatively, can I disconnect the hoses into the interior, or will
> all the coolant boil out of the hose ends if I do so?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 	Andrew Shaw

Sounds like a heater core leak. If so, you should be able to bypass
the heater by looping the 2 heater hoses (one flows in, and one flows
out of the core) together, such that the anti-freeze does not go to
the heater core, but just flows back into the radiator. I did this
when my iroc's heater core leaked about a month before the lease was
up ($250 for a new heater core, which I didn't want to pay).  Do not
drive your car with no coolant of some sort in the radiator. I doubt
that you could drive your car 5 miles with no coolant at all in your
radiator, without siezing your engine. 




Mark
From: hovnania@iftccu.boeing.com (Paul Hovnanian)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: RFI:Halogen brake light conversion source
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:24:47 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group

> Where can I get one of those halogen brake light conversion kits?

I don't know about a kit, but I have seen bayonet-based halogen 12V bulbs (same
base as my brake-light bulbs) at hardware stores for low-voltage lighting. Has
anyone had any experience with them as far as vibration resistance, etc?




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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Flashing Headlights
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:58:00 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <1992Nov6.221800.7883@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> maciuca@vehicle.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Dragos Maciuca) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.202829.12266@ncsu.edu> bcrulifs@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>>
>>	I've been wondering for a while the correct and universally understood
>>headlight flashing signals.  My understanding:
>>   1--When you're behind someone in the left lane who is slower than you--give
>>      two quick flicks of the high beams.
>
>	In order not to be considered "rude" and therefore get to opposite
>reaction, I put my left turning signal on.  Even though this is a European
>practice, most drivers in the States seem to understand the meaning.  If they
>don't want to move, they are not going to do it even if you flash the high beam.

Around here, I have found that momentarily dropping (i.e., turning off)
the headlights generally gets a less hostile response than flashing
high-beams.  It *could* be interpreted as a "slow down" warning to the
traffic in the other direction, but folks doing that kind of signal
usually repeat it several times, while I only do it once from a
distance, and again if necessary once I have closed with the other
car.

I find high-beams to be very annoying (especially if they hit you with
the side mirror), and I suspect that is why folks make all sorts of
rude gestures and do stupid things like slow down and box you in when
you signal to pass with them around here.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Police bike/cruiser safety (was: Perot's proposed gas tax)
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Date: 9 Nov 1992 09:47 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>no way! Ponch and John were always leading the chase for the bad guys
>when I watched them on TV!!! :)

Sadly, the greatest advantage of police bikes in urban California 
appears to be their ability to do 10-15 mph through traffic that is 
doing 0-5, usually because of the accident to which the bike is going. 

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: rob@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Rob Knauerhase)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Paying a Reasonable Price for Gas
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:06:33 GMT
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs

In <1992Nov11.211812.16727@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>No..the Japeneese guy wasn't right about the USA...he is a damn 
>LOOSER. If you do some research into that asshole who said Americans
>are lazy...you'll see he had his job handed down to him becuase he did

People, please!

There's only one thing worse than lame European/Canadian posts about how much
better another country is than the US -- lame American posts about how much
better the US is.

Why is it that we tend to meet foreign smugness and arrogance with
misspellings and profanity?  Yes, they're wrong, but cursing and calling
names will only reinforce their positions.

OBflamebait:  Let's just say "America is pathetic, but it's the least
pathetic" and be done with it. :)

At any rate, take it OUT of rec.autos.driving, please.

Rob
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