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From: coleman@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Kevin Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Phillies beat Cubs! 4/8/92 Boxscore
Keywords: Go Phils!
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:28:02 GMT
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science



Here's the boxscore for the 4/8/92 Philadelphia-Chicago game:

CHICAGO         ab  r  h  bi  lo  bb  so   avg
Dunston, ss      4  1  1   0   0   1   1  .333
Sosa, cf         4  1  2   0   1   1   1  .333
Sandberg, 2b     5  1  3   3   1   0   1  .500
Dawson, rf       4  0  1   0   3   0   3  .333
 Walker, lf-rf   1  0  0   0   1   0   1  .000
Grace, 1b        4  0  0   0   1   0   0  .143
Wilkins, c       3  0  1   0   1   0   1  .333
 Girardi, ph-c   1  0  1   0   0   0   0 1.000
Dw.Smith, lf-rf  2  0  0   0   0   1   0  .000
 Salazar, ph-lf  1  0  1   0   0   0   0  .500
Scott, 3b        4  0  0   0   4   0   2  .143
Jackson, p       2  0  0   0   0   0   2  .000
 Scanlan, p      0  0  0   0   0   0   0   ---
 Dascenzo, ph    1  0  0   0   0   0   0  .000
 Patterson, p    0  0  0   0   0   0   0   ---
 Da.Smith, p     0  0  0   0   0   0   0   ---
 Villanueva, ph  1  0  0   0   2   0   0  .000
 Assenmacher, p  0  0  0   0   0   0   0   ---
TOTALS:         37  3 10   3  14   3  12

PHILADELPHIA    ab  r  h  bi  lo  bb  so   avg
Amaro, cf-rf     4  3  3   3   0   0   0  .600
Duncan, 2b       4  1  0   0   4   1   0  .125
Hollins, 3b      3  2  1   3   0   1   0  .333
Kruk, 1b         5  0  3   0   0   0   1  .556
Murphy, rf       4  0  0   1   3   0   1  .000
 Peguero, cf     1  0  0   0   0   0   1  .000
Sveum, ss        2  2  1   1   2   1   0  .333
Chamberlain, lf  4  2  2   1   1   0   1  .250
Daulton, c       3  1  1   2   0   1   1  .143
Greene, p        3  0  0   0   1   0   2  .000
 Backman, ph     1  0  1   0   0   0   0 1.000
 Ritchie, p      0  0  0   0   0   0   0   ---
 Schilling, p    0  0  0   0   0   0   0   ---
TOTALS:         34 11 12  11  11   4   7

2Bs: Sandberg (1, off Greene)
     Amaro (2, off Jackson)
     Daulton (1, off Jackson)
HRs: Sandberg (1, 1st inning off Greene, 2 on, 0 out)
     Amaro (1, 6th inning off Patterson, 0 on, 2 out)
     Hollins (1, 6th inning off Patterson, 1 on, 2 out)
     Chamberlain (1, 6th inning off Patterson, 0 on, 0 out)
SBs: Dunston 2 (2, 2nd base off Greene/Daulton; 2nd base off Greene/Daulton)
     Hollins (1, 2nd base off Jackson/Wilkins)
CS:  Kruk (2, 2nd base by Scanlan/Wilkins)
E:   Greene (1, throw)

PITCHING       ip  h  r  er  bb  so   era
CHICAGO
Jackson L, 0-1  4  7  6   6   1   3 13.50
Scanlan         1  0  0   0   0   1  0.00
Patterson      .6  4  4   4   1   1 54.00
Da.Smith      1.3  1  1   1   2   0  6.75
Assenmacher     1  0  0   0   0   2  0.00
PHILADELPHIA
Greene W, 1-0   7  7  3   3   3   8  3.86
Ritchie         1  2  0   0   0   1  0.00
Schilling       1  1  0   0   0   3  0.00

HBP: Amaro by Jackson
     Hollins by Jackson

TIME: 2:58
A:    16,328
WIND: 16 mph, in from left


--Kevin

P.S. All information taken from the 04/09/92 issue of USA TODAY
From: jeffyg@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey Wayne Geist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: brett vs gossage
Date: 9 Apr 1992 12:10:07 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Summary: How many times have we seen that before?
Keywords: brett vs gossage

George did it again.  Has the Goose ever gotten him out?  The only meetings I
remember, Brett hit it out.  1980 with the playoffs and 1985 with the Pine
Tar game and now last nite.  Will it ever end.  I love it.  However, if I
were Larussa, I still would have thought twice about having Gossage pitch to
Brett.  Oh well.... too bad the Royals didnt win.
From: hildebranb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rose Mgr-1b (was Sabo out)
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:43:48 EST
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr14.214435.26263@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.221040.29507@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>
>>Rose certainly played every day.  He killed the team, being the worst
>>first baseman in the league, but he played.  Of course, when you're the
>>manager, you get to make awful decisions like that.
>>
> 	When are you refering too? When he was player-manager? I hope it
> wasn't any time before that because that would be totally ridiculous.
> 	As I recall, when Rose was managing, there were really no great
> firstbaseman sitting on the bench. Rose brings more than his ability to
> the feild, however. And I highly doubt he was the worst first-baseman in
> the league. 

Well, he did say when you're the manager...Maybe not great, but Nick Esasky was
far better than Rose as a player.  It was ridiculous that Pete played himself
ahead of Esasky during those years.  Esasky amply illustrated what he could do
if playing full-time after he was traded to the RedSox (and when not afraid of
heights).  I don't know about the worst, either, but from a different approach
what everyday first baseman was he better than?  Greg Brock, maybe?

Bret Hildebran
hildebranb@astro.pc.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Re: *** THE JAYS ARE KICKIN' ***
Organization: /dev/elvis
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:32:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.193601.1635@odin.corp.sgi.com>, dickh@cleveland.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness "Monster") overreacts:
|> In article <1992Apr7.155645.29665@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>, chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING "Hsing") spews:
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |>  As the entire North American continent saw on television, the Toronto
|> |> Blue Jays - behind the awesome pitching of Jack Morris - stymed the Detriot
|> |> Tigers.  .  Let all who
|> |> oppose Toronto's supremacy eat our dust!
|> After reading one too many articles (actually, one was one too many) on the  |> Jays winning one game, Mr. Chuong is now part of my "author kill" file...I
|> hope others join me.

Sure, Chuong Han Hsing is an overzealous Blue Jays fan, whose off the scale of rationality (scale goes from 1..Rising where Kirsch is somewhere in between - it's a complicated formula...) but if *I* were to put him in my KILL file, I would miss potentially dynamic quotes that I can use in my .sig file.

We don't want all of that to go to waste, now, do we?

Not even a lunatic like myself who picks the Red Sox to win the east every year (a spring tradition) can match this zeal.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond)
Subject: Re: **** Blue Jays sweeps the Tigers ****
Keywords: Jays
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:27:15 GMT

mwplau@trillium.waterloo.edu (Michael Lau) writes:



>   How about the Blue Jays!! They pull off another win by superb pitching
> staffs. They won 3-1 today against the Detroit Tigers and took the serie.
> Juan Guzman pitches 7 innings, gave up 3 hits, 1 run and strike out 10.
> Tom Henke pitches the eighth, Duane Ward pitches the ninth and got his
> second saves. 

>   The Jays are 3-0 now and getting a good start. Sorry 'Sox' fan, just
> have to rub it in.

> ....now back to the normal 'Sox' commercials....
>   


		Hey, I don't mind that the Blue Jays are 3-0, I like Toronto.
In fact, I look forward to seeing the White Sox beat them in the playoffs.  :)


						White Sox in '92,

						Matt
From: hiegel@milton.u.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Harold Reynolds
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

What could the M's get for Harold Reynolds if they put him on the block
today?  I'm not necessarily in favor of such a move, but I'd like to see
what people think.
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Tyler Brown)
Subject: Re: Phillys injuries
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:07:28 GMT

seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:

>They're paying Murph too much to sit him. He's gonna have to get real bad
>before they bench him. I was just talking about this very problem with
>Jeff Hildebrand earlier today. Remember that Jordan will also be back soon
>and the original plan was to have Kruk play a little RF to get Jordan in
>the lineup. So you're going to have Chamberlain, Dykstra, Amaro Jr.,
>Murphy and Jordan through Kruk all vying for three spots in the lineup
>and all too good to sit. Barring further injury the Phillies are going to
>be forced into a trade by June, IMHO. The problem will be what to trade
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>for...but by June they should know what fine tuning they need. I think
 ^^^          ^^^^                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Dale Murphy will not be wearing a Phillies uniform at season's end...
>

Fine tuning? June? Last time I checked, offense is, what, maybe half the game?

It seems to me that two or three more decent pitchers might be kind of nice.
Right now it's Greene, Mulholland and pray for a power outage... Loss of
DeJesus (maybe permanently), Mike Hartley, and the continued absence of
Ken Howell bodes ill for the Phils. Coupled with key offensive injuries it
looks like more-of-the-same for the hapless Phils. (And it looked SO GOOD
just a few weeks ago...).

				frisbee
From: psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:26:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr7.165256.16575@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>career hr's were hit in either Busch or Wrigley" is patently false and
>absurd; the majority of Bonilla's career home runs were hit in Three Rivers
>Stadium (61 of them, to be exact).  Bonilla has hit somewhat better on the
>road than at home over his career, though, and the move to Shea will likely
>make that effect more pronounced. 

GEE Sherri, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was speaking of hitting
on the road and not claiming  he hit more in Busch or Wrigley than at 
Three Rivers

>
>This silly Bonilla-bashing is ridiculous.  I'll never understand why people
>get so offended when a ballplayer chooses to leave their city.  That
>Bonilla is now a Met does not lessen my appreciation of him as a ballplayer
>one whit; I can hope the Mets lose without having to hate the players on
>the team, or make up stuff to put them down.

You might ask people why they do that but in my case I always disliked the guy.
Neal Traven and Mike Contento (occassional posters her) will tell you that I
prayed daily, for most of the years he was here, that the Pirates would trade
that bum.  I think he's a hot dog, a slacker, a phoney, one dimensional player
and I was glad to see him go and I'll cheer every time he flops in New York.

Any team foolish enough to pay him the kind of money the Mets are deserve the
fourth place finish they're going to get!

PSG
From: jbrown@milton.u.washington.edu (Jeffery Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Duck and cover!  Duck and cover!
Summary: AAAAAAAACCCCCKKKKK!!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:08:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr16.160826.4664
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Put on your helmets, AL fans!  Perk up, Acker-o-phobes!  Because...
he's B-ACK!

The Mariners recalled Jim Acker from Calgary (sending down Clay Parker),
so all you Whiplash Forecasters can haul out your tape measures to watch
the carnage.  There is now the distinct possibility of having the Ack-man
relieve DeLiner DeLucia in a game, especially tonight (Thurs., 4/16);
DeLucia is starting as Randy Johnson is missing a start due to a sore 
shoulder.  Bring your cervical collars.

In a move that has *nothing* to do with Dialing 8, the M's recalled
IF Rich Amaral as well (since Vizquel is on the DL), though Schaefer
may get most of the starts as SS now.

Also, thanks to everyone who responded to my request for information
about catchers at Toronto and Oakland, Glenn Davis, and Cleveland's
bullpen.  
---
Jeff Brown         Big Enchilada of the Brown Bag Lunches
Astronomy Dept.    jbrown@u.washington.edu
U. of Washington   jbrown@phast.phys.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:44:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.131353.6246@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>needs to hit for power? Grace is one of the games best pure hitters, he's
>capable of leading the league in batting average, so why doesn't everyone just
>leave him alone and let him hit .330 with 10 to 15 homeruns?

Well, if he'd ever done that, they just might.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: hennesse@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Kenneth M Hennessey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Televised Jays Games
Summary: Blue Jays games on Television no CTV
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:09:03 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

Whats the scoop on Television coverage of the Jays this year.
I understand CTV will not be covering the games, except for 
a handfull of CBS games on Saturday.  Did the any deal get arranged for
regional coverage.  On opening day ATV (CTV atlantic affil.) covered the
ONT. game.  I don't know how permanent this is.  

ken
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: More obscure DIR/ALL HR trivia (was Re: HR trivia epilogue)
From: guilford@otago.ac.nz
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:30:06 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

> In article <6APR199202325467@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE) writes:

>>    OK...here is the top 10 list of players with the most career homeruns
>>  who never hit 30 or more in any season:     (* = active)
>> 
>> Al Kaline         399
>> Brooks Robinson   268
>> Joe Morgan        268
>> George Hendrick   267
>> Brian Downing     265*
>> Vada Pinson       256
>> Ted Simmons       248
>> Roberto Clemente  240
>> Robin Yount       235*
>> Gary Matthews     234

A similar ranking would be the top players with the most career
homers in seasons of 29 or less.  Kaline would still lead, but Fisk,
Yastrzemski and Nettles, I believe all have over 300.

Another ranking can be done by counting only the first 30 home runs
every year and throwing out the ones above that.  Hank Aaron leads
this list with 611, followed by Mays with 530 and Jackson with 514.  
I don't have the rest of this list, but I do have its inverse (home 
runs over 30):

1. Ruth       222
2. Aaron      144
3. Killebrew  134
4. Mays       130
5. Foxx       124
6. Gerhig     100
   Schmidt
8. Kiner       96
9. Mantle      85
10. Banks      79
11. Mathews    77
12. Greenberg  72
13. McCovey    60
14. Snider     58
15. Robinson   56
16. Colavito   54
17. Howard     53
18. Kluszewski 51
19. Jackson    49
20. Kingman    48

Among active players, we have:

1. Murphy      41
2. Canseco     37
3. Fielder     35
4. McGwire     33
5. Strawberry  25
6. Dawson      22
   Mitchell  
8. Johnson     20
9. Bell        18
10. McGriff    16

(I also have HR>20, HR<20, and HR>40 if anyone cares....)

Bill Guilford
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Organization: Jays Fans Pleased With The 6-0 Start (but it's still early), Ltd.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:16:24 GMT

In article <204766@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>An even worse example if Alfredo Griffin, who played 140 games at shortstop
>in 1984 for a team that had Tony Fernandez.  Fernandez was only 21, but he
>couldn't have been any worse than Alfredo, and in fact hit .270/.320/.356
>in 233 at bats that year, to Griffin's .250/.290/.348 (and bad defense).  And
>it's not as if Fernandez was an unknown; he'd played 15 games in the majors
>the previous year.

...with a broken thumb, no less!  The injury wasn't diagnosed until
after the season; he wasn't able to open the 1984 season with the team.

In retrospect, I think the Jays played Griffin for 3 reasons:

-- Griffin was, by all accounts, a really nice guy (I'm not saying that
this is a *good* reason).
-- The Jays got off to a great start in 1984.  If I remember correctly,
they were 28-12 after 40 games.  (No one remembers this, because the
Tigers were 35-5 (*sigh*).)  I think that Bobby Cox may have been
reluctant to tamper with the lineup when the team was doing well.
-- In the 1984 off-season, the Jays were able to trade Griffin and Dave
Collins for Bill Caudill.  Had the Jays benched Griffin, they would not
have gotten as much for him in a trade.

I'm not sure that these are good enough reasons to keep a young Tony Fernandez
on the bench, but at least there was *some* method to their madness...
-- 
--Dave Till, Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems, Sietec Open Systems Division,
2235 Sheppard Ave. E. #1800, Willowdale, Ont. (dave@sni.CA or dave@snitor.uucp)
"Whatever you do, Jerry Lee Lewis has already done it.  Probably better, too."
  --Jimmy Guterman and Owen O'Donnell
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mwdwhite@watnow.waterloo.edu (Martin White)
Subject: Re: Subjective trivia question
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:00:33 GMT

>dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
> 
>>
>>Here's a cute alternative to arguing about Frank vs. Cecil or the value of
>>errors in evaluating defensive value.
>>
>>Who would be your pick as the best offensive player to never lead the league
>>in any major offensive category?  (Major off. cats. are BA, OBP, SLG, H, R,
>>RBI, 2B, 3B, HR, BB, SB).  I have somebody in mind, but I'll wait to see who
>>else gets nominated.
>>
How about Yogi Berra?
From: srobson@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Seth I Robson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Will Clark as a Triple Crowner?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:39:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.33024
Organization: Deconstructionists-a-GoGo


In article <204967@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.144857.8805@wam.umd.edu> cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn) writes:
>
>[David Tate wrote:]
>
>>> Griffey is the only active player with a reasonable chance to be the 
>>> best of all time at his position.  Yes, that would involve being better
>>> than Mantle and Mays and Speaker.  No, it's not probable; it's not 
>>> improbable, either.
>
>>I'd say Cal Ripken, given another few years (and the credit he deserves),  
>>could be another!
>
>I thought of Ripken.  I honestly believe that Ripken has no chance to be
>anywhere near as good as Honus Wagner.  Wagner would probably have won at
>least 5 MVP awards, had they had them back then.  Wagner is the only player
>in history with a reasonable claim to be as great a ballplayer, overall, as
>Babe Ruth.  (Except Ruth himself, of course.)

I'd strongly consider Honus Wagner as the third most valuable overall player
of all time, behind Ruth and Ted Williams.

calling it the "best offensive year _ever_ for a shortstop."  Some of the
same claims were bantied about for Cal Ripkin Jr.'s year last season.  Of
course, these claims were probably made by people who never even offered
a cursory glance at Total Baseball.  As for most valuable shortstops _since_
Wagner (since I wouldn't argue that he's the best and Ripkin can't quite
approach him), I'd add Lou Boudreau for consideration.  I don't recall his
defense off the top of my head, but his best offensive year saw him, in
560 or so AB, hit .355 with 18 HR, about 90 walks, and 9 strikeouts.  Not
too shabby.  Luke Appling wasn't too bad, either.

If Barry Larkin makes some outstanding leaps in development at the plate
(hitting at least .300 with 20+ HR a year), then he can enter this elite
company, as well.

--
Seth I. Robson; srobson@ucscb.ucsc.edu  [ humm-baby! ]
University of California, Santa Cruz
"There's something kind of EUUUUUUUGH about a kid that doesn't like
 to play baseball..."  -- Foghorn Leghorn.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: bharriso@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bob Harrison)
Subject: Jays vs Sox
Keywords: Pennant
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 21:04:35 GMT

I think the winner of the AL East will be the Jays, but they need to get 
ahead of Boston fast. 
Over the last few seasons, both Toronto and Boston have had a mid season, or
late season slump and this usually happens when they are in first place.
My guess is that with all the media hype about how good they are, they get
complacent (sp?) when they have a lead. This allows the 2nd place team to 
turn it on and make the season interesting. Jays did it to Baltimore, Jays almost did it to Boston, Detroit did it to the Jays ....all this over the last few years

Lets hope its an exciting season again, for the Jays and Sox.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: clare@bissun.kodak.com (Bill Clare)
Subject: Recommendation for a periodical containing COMPLETE stats
Originator: clare@bissun
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:47:04 GMT


I am looking for a recommendation for a periodical (preferably a cheap one) 
which contains COMPLETE statistics including HRs, RBIs, SBs, wins, and 
saves for a pool I am in.  I need to know the whole league, not just
top <n> players (e.g. my fiancee has Carlton Fisk, and sure as hell he
is not going to be in any reasonable sized <n> for top <n> stolen bases).

I appologize for breaking any rules of this group, or asking a stupid
question (e.g. perhaps something like this is on the FAQ list, or perhaps
stats are posted regularly for both leagues right in r.s.baseball), 
for I don't read this group.  If you feel inclined to respond, please
email at clare@bissun.kodak.com.

Thanks in advance.

billc
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rjs@home.merit.edu (Robert J. Skrobola)
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Organization: Merit Network, Inc.  Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:21:31 GMT

>91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ( ) writes:
>{i'll let other people point out why alfredo griffin is so bad}
>
On the subject of LVP (career), I nominate Tom Brookens, long of the
Tigers and short (and last) of the Indians. A more useless 3000 major
league at bats were rarely spent. Especially by somebody that played
a non shortstop/catcher defensive position, and played it...slightly 
better than Darnell Coles...

		Rob

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