HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Arab/Isreali Wars
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:51:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.022358.8172@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
>Last week Ilyess Bdira indicated that Isreal's army is a myth and cannot 
>fight a long
>war. This has generated some discussions about the definition of long wars 
>and whether
>Isreal could win that way.
>
>I suppose if Clinton wins the election and the peace talks come to an end 
>now that
>Isreal has the $10 B guarantee and unlimited support from a democratic 
>adminstration,

Aside from the uniformly too-long lines, you gotta love the paranoia
evident in Mr. Faris's statement.  "Unlimited Support?"  Hardly.  I
wasn't around last week, and so missed Ilyess Bdira's comment (alluded
to above) that Israel's army is a myth, but I'd like to ask one question
of Ilyess in that case - where have you been since 1948?  

>may be the Arabs should ask Isreal to fight a war using swords, sloagans, 
>and sling
>shots. This way the Arabs will be guranteed a long war so they could win one.

Sir, no sane man likes war.  I don't.  Israeli generals also don't.  But
it's a hostile world, and sometimes you do have to fight for what you
believe.  One of the first principles in war strategy is that you should
fight *your* war, the war you fight best and have the best chance of
winning.  Under no circumstances should you adopt methods you don't do
as well in.

>It appears that a large number of people are unaware that those wars were 
>excersises so
>that the superpowers could vent some steam and test their weapons on the 
>Isrealis' and
>Arabs with no clear victor in sight.

Ugh.  This is true paranoia.  'Nuff said.


-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: The 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' 'kucukucus' Would Like 'Tamamidis,' I Think.
Date: 12 Aug 92 03:52:04 GMT





<1992Aug13.031756.12296@ddsw1.mcs.com>
karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)

>>If you as a 'spiritual wieneramus,' abound with so much ignorance,
>>what about lesser 'palikaryas?'

>Now c'mon Hasan, lets be honest here.

Why not?

>Can you discredit the posting from ibm.com recently which detailed some
>sendmail logs showing that Cosar had forged a posting to appear as if it
>came from you via Anadolu.Michigan.Com?

I already did. Are you claiming that 'anadolu.michigan.com' is not a 
legitimate address for 'mutlu?' I am responsible for every single
article posted from 'anadolu.michigan.com' or 'ddsw1.mcs.com.'

>While logs can be forged just like anything else, this evidence certainly 
>looked like quite a smoking gun to me...

This is utter assertion, without even a hint of factual data to 
confirm it, Karl.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: 'Zap* The Criminal' Of IBM Stole It, Distributed It With No Permission.
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:08:59 GMT





<9208130010.AA18547@zoro.cis.temple.edu>
zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU (Zaphiris Christidis)

>It is going to be too late for you on Monday morning.

Well, well, well, 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM is back. Did you think 
you could get away with your criminal act of stealing material from
'mutlu' and the 'IEEE' and distributing it with no permission? Well, 
I've got great news for you. Just wait for my lawyers.



Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: mikie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Michael C. Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Forty Days Of Musa Dagh
Date: 13 Aug 1992 20:16:04 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Support your local Amnesty International

I just finished reading the historical book: "The Forty Days
Of Musa Dagh".  I am so taken by its realism that I am
wondering if any plans for a Motion Picture of the book have
been made.

Ictenlikle sizin,

A Human Being
From: hrcoord@igc.apc.org (Human Rights Coordinator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: UNITED NATIONS: Cyprus adversaries
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:39:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1475100152:000:2631
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 16 11:39:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: UNITED NATIONS: Cyprus adversaries 

/* Written 12:03 am  Aug 16, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: UNITED NATIONS: Cyprus adversaries in direct talks


new york, aug 12 (ips) -- the first face-to-face formal talks in
two years between cypriot president george vassiliou and the
turkish cypriot leader, rauf denktash, got off to a promising
start here wednesday.

the talks, conducted through the offices of u.n. secretary-
general boutros boutros-ghali and his special representative oscar
camillon, will continue tomorrow.

today's talks did not have a specific agenda. however, the
greek cypriots made it clear that they want the turkish side to
accept territorial concessions proposed by the secretary-general.

considerable pressure has been put on the turkish leader by the
five permanent members of the security council, who are closely
monitoring the talks.

since turkey's 1974 invasion of cyprus, turkish cypriots have
controlled about 37 percent of the island. during ''proximity
talks'' between the two cypriot camps that began july 15, boutros-
ghali put forward a map apportioning 28.2 percent of the territory
to the turkish community.

his proposal had the implicit backing of president vassiliou. but
denktash threatened to walk out of the talks over the territorial
concessions issue.

according to sources, denktash was willing to accept 29.9 percent
of cypriot territory for the turkish community and ''not an inch
less.'' he refused to agree boutros-ghali's map, claiming it would
force his side to give up a an agriculturally rich area in the
western part of cyprus.

the territorial concessions issue, on which the current talks
hinge, has not yet been resolved. but the mere fact that direct
talks are being held is seen as a good sign. in a report to the
security council in june, the secretary-general indicated a joint
meeting would be in order ''if the two leaders were within
agreement range''.

''it is high time we resolve this problem. we owe it to our
people in cyprus, both greek and turkish'', president vassiliou
said before the talks started.

the session began with a brief hiccup. denktash was seen leaving
u.n. headquarters shortly after the talks began this evening and
most reporters interpeted it as a ''walkout''.

but he soon returned and explained that he had only asked for a
brief recess to enable him to talk to turkish president turgut
ozal.(end/ips/ip/am/wr/92)
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From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Re: 'More Stories Of Armenians Murdering Turks' And 'Khachikian'.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:48:26 GMT

In article <9208120059.A8047sU@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
><1992Aug12.005859.28030@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
>
>>	Thank you, Lance, add the Greeks, the Kurds and a couple of
>>others - and you have answered the question which Mutlu absolutely
>>refused to answer - the national/territorial content of the Ottoman Empire.
>
>Now a different view of this scene. Here is 'Dro the Butcher.'


	Mutlu, I think you are sick. This is not an insult, 
this is a diagnosis.
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From: zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU (Zaphiris Christidis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Illegal activities of alatolia.mn.org and Ahmet Cosar (III)
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:12:46 GMT
Organization: Temple University, CIS Dept.

In article <1992Aug12.191612.13922@news2.cis.umn.edu>, cosar@micro.cs.umn.edu
(Ahmet Cosar the Forger) is trying to write:
>
> >investigation. I demand a public apology from Cosar, for using my
> >user ID and node name illegally. If he does not do this, I seek advise from
>
> Look who is talking about "illegally?" You wanted to play games with
> ftp/Usenet and ended up with a bleeding nose. Now you are crying "faul"

Care to elaborate who gave me a bleeding nose?  You seem to be afraid to
admit that you forged my domain and user id, and you are trying to come
on the top, like an oil slick. Well, I guess by now you must have a bleeding
ulcer, and if you don't take the right medicine, you will be sorry.

> all over Usenet and asking for "apology", where is your "honesty" and
> "responsibility?"

Yes, a public apology is the least you can do to save your skin. As far
as honesty and responsibility, when you happen to get some for your
self, then we can re-examine the issue.

> On the other hand I strongly urge you to delete the directories you
> have created on zoro.cis.temple.edu and hope that Armenian terrorists

I cannot delete anything, as I do not have the right to do it.

> don't have access to FTP. After that you can come forward like a decent
> person and apologize from Mutlu for your tricks.

You make me laugh, really.  You sound more and more like his mouthpiece
Cosar, which explains your interest in his face. I did not expect any
logic and decency on your part, anyway. You seem to forget that you have
committed a forgery and you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar.
Try to find what is illegal, and what is not, by hiring a lawyer.

> You shouldn't blame people for the results of a situation you have
> brought upon yourself Zaphiris, which you did quite willingly and even
> cheerfully.

Is this  your apology? Very well then, we will see. You have until Friday
to issue a public apology. It will be too late for you on Monday morning.

--
Zaphiris Christidis

PS. Cengiz Azcun, had nothing to do with the forgeries of Cosar and Mutlu.
    If it appeared as such, in my last message, I apologize and say that I
    have nothing that proves Cengiz is involved.

    Digital Biometrics of Minnesota, has no connection with the domains
    kksys.com or kksys.mn.org. The entry in the netfind database, is
    obviously wrong and ought to be corrected.
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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: ...A Significant Collaboration Between Armenians And The Nazis.
Date: 12 Aug 92 01:52:37 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <visser.713454265@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	If your really intrested in stopping him, write a letter to the
>turkish embassy telling them that Multu's behavior is damaging the "image"
>of turks and turkey in the west.  

I doubt pressurizing embassies can have any effect in restricting 
freedom of speech. The Armenian terrorists have been killing ambassadors
and attacking embassies since mid 1970s, killing tens of diplomats,
civilians Turkish, American, French, or Swiss and they did not achieve
a  single thing. 

Kutluk
From: verbit@birkhoff.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Standing Trial (was re: a question)
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:43:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.


A humorless jerk Cosar makes fool of himself complaining to
my system administration. This is not the first time he
is complaining to sysadmins. Cosar is known for his recent
forgery of articles by Hasan B-) Mutlu and Zaphiris Christidis:
he forged a posting in alt.sex.pictures.binaries through
wizvax gateway which looked like a posting from Zaphiris.
Only wizvax logs were able to prove forgery. I did
not see him apologizing, but my system administration 
got the following letter instead:

------------ Letter ------------------


Dear Sir,

I would like you to inform Mr Verbitsky that I don't see any humor in his
insults, which were posted on Usenet as a public article(quoted below).
I demand that such insults and harrassment directed at my person by
Mr Verbitsky be stopped immediately.

Your concern will be appreciated, thanks

Ahmet Cosar
Computer Science Department
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis

-----------------------------------------

This is my article (irrelevant parts deleted)

In article <1992Aug18.173653.14864@husc3.harvard.edu> you write:
>In article <1992Aug18.002658.14845@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>		Timur Ruben wrote:
>>>Murder is always a murder.  
>>>Nobody gave us the right to take away human's life.

>	What a gutless attitude! Some jerks should be killed
>	at any rate. For instance, mutlu. Or Russian
>	Emperor with his family. If ASALA/ARF/ASAP
>	indeed exist (I doubt) they deserve our respect.
>

>>>A criminal against humanity have to be tried  in court in front of everybody,
>>>not just assasinated.
>
>	He he, mutlu and cosar are criminals against
>	humanity, in particular bandwidth. Who will
>	try them in the court? If the goverment is incapable
>	to defend people, they should do this themselves.
>	Like Charles Manson did.


>>>>"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."

>>>Best regards,
>>>Timur Ruban
>>>"Ad mortius nihil veritas"

>>Say what?

>>cordially,
>>mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
>>"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."

>Say what?

>diarretically,
>mikhail verbit<sky>math.harvard.edu,
>"Morgen, Morgen, nur nicht Heute, sagen alle faulen Leute."

--------------- END OF ARTICLE --------


The mention of Charles Manson as well as signature
were supposed to be enough for humor impaired, but 
Cosar appears to defy this. Worse for him, his
life is bad enough. I hope he will soon lose his account 
for a lawless activity.

Misha.
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From: LISTSERV@VM.USC.EDU (Revised List Processor, 1.7c)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Your removal from the TRKNWS-L list
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:22:48 GMT

Dear subscriber,

  As of  Wednesday, August  the 12th of  1992, you have  been removed  from the
TRKNWS-L    distribution   list    (Turkish   Cultural    Program   List)    by
Guven.Guzeldere@STANFORD.

Virtually,

   The LISTSERV management
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.soviet
From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar)
Subject: More forgeries by  ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:58:09 GMT

In article <9208130012.AA18576@zoro.cis.temple.edu> zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU (Zaphiris Christidis) writes:
[....]
>--
>Zaphiris Christidis
>

and the path is still:

>Path: news.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!paperboy.micro.umn.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!ucbvax!ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU!zaphiri                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I believe it is time someone mail a copy of these forgeries to
zaphiri@watson.ibm.com and make him aware.


--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Where Does 'Tam*'s Ignorance Stem From? Greek Anti-Semitism.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:03:23 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><Bss6DL.LL3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>Tuesday 23rd June, 1992, is a good ilustation about the current
>>>situation in Greece. 

>> Again the same crap? (One posting is enough, we don't have to read it again)
>> What is this, a new kind of mutlu?
>> You have been taking lessons from mutlu, haven't you?

>But can you provide any examples of lying by the Jewish scholars in the
>past?

 Yo, jerks. Got offended when I wrote that Turks don't work hard in the
 summer?  Afraid that next months paycheck from Turkey won't arrive?

 Come on creeps. Still have many mails unanswered.  Move your asses
 and work harder.

>Hasan B-) Mutlu

---> Panos Tamamidis
^^^^^---------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^ Attention !!!!!!!  Be aware of the following new viruses:            ^
^ Konecni     virus: Similar symptoms with Mutlu virus                 ^
^ Shopov      virus: Repeats himself, and at the end says "No Regards" ^
^ Sommarskong virus: Doesn't do anything, but you can't get rid of it  ^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: isin kotu Ilhan !
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:31:26 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Isin kotu Ilhan, isin kotu....
now it is time for you to cry this agit:

"Gecti isyan ile omrum, ney halin varacak.
"Beni zebaniler elinden, simdi kim kurtaracak.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit)
Subject: Re: Invisible connections [Re: The Mutlu Singularity]
Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project
	<OZ.92Aug10152550@ursa.sis.yorku.ca> <l8fseeINN8kv@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:53:59 GMT

Victor Eijkhout writes:

   |> Hm. I hear that in early may 1991, Mutlu's account at AT&T was
   |> disabled for further usenet posting. Just use your imagination,
   |> or wait for Davidian to come up with a new "freak" coincidence
   |> that will no doubt include members of the AT&T management, and
   |> some mysterious "order" from the Turkish Foreign Ministry, the
   |> dimensions of the Turkish flag, and the number 666.

   Why so difficult? How about Mutlu only claiming that his account
   was disabled, whereas in fact ...

Since I am not in the habit of posting without getting my facts
straight, I have already verified this with AT&T, but feel free
to ignore this; I do not hold any hope in circles where idiotic
claims of connections between the Foreign Ministry of a country
and some individual on usenet are taken seriously, irregardless
of the probabilities involved.

oz
---
It is hard to ridicule reality when | electric: oz@sis.yorku.ca
reality itself is so ridiculous.    | ph: [416] 736 2100 x33976

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From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.italian
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:49:32 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug10.200736.5950@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno) writes:
>
>England tried to do exactly the same thing in Northern Ireland. Send in the
>army to stop the "bloodshed" (at least this was the official motivation). It
>did not work, and now there are even various reports about a "shoot-to-kill"
>policy being unofficially applied by the army itself...

Usual complaint about Britain being not just England...., sigh !!

Shoot to kill policy. A unofficial and non-sanctioned by the Government.
If members of the forces do things by them selves, stop trying to blame
the UK as a whole. Do the LAPD have an unofficial  'kick the shit out of
blacks' policy, or was Rodney King just unlucky with the police who arrested
him. Same argument !!

>Indeed. The "allies" should feel rightly ashamed for not trying to stop the
>Nazi death camps, after knowing about their existence from air photos and
>intelligence reports. 
>Actually the reason why the constantly refused to intervene, to stop the trains
>carrying the prisoners, to bomb the camp themselves, or to deviate an army unit
>to free a camp rather than concentrating on retrating German units, has always
>been a mistery to me.

Allies including UK, US, Canada ..... Not just the UK.

>P.s. my main purpose in this, like in other postings, is NOT to bash Ms.
>Thatcher (or the UK, or anybody else), but to try to put her seemingly merciful
>words into the right perspective. So that when it comes to try to stop the
>bloodshed we do not start on an even worse course of action.
>Remember the "war to end all wars" !

Either that, or the fact she may just be RIGHT ?!

Neil
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: BAKU AWAITS ARMENIAN MOVE
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:21:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: Sunburn.9208210025.AA18799
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

BAKU AWAITS ARMENIAN MOVE

Baku  (AFP)  - Armenian  forces  will  launch a  heavy  offensive
against  Azerbaijan today,  the Azeri  government said,  claiming
that  troop movements  had been  observed  in a  number of  Azeri
regions.

Azerbaijan,  quoting "reliable  information",  said the  Armenian
offensive would  signal a  large-scale conflict  with Azerbaijan.
Azerbaijani forces have  recently won several battles against the
Armenians both  in Nagorny  Karabakh and  in the  northern region
along their joint border.

THE INDEPENDENT, 19 August 1992
            _
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