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From: ouyang@yoko.rutgers.edu (Ming Ouyang)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: (F) sick Synodontis
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:57:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Tank configuration:
55 gallon, pH = 6.8, temp. 80-82 F
filtration: Fluval 303 with ceramic tubes (bottom), foam block,
            bio-chem stars (top). AquaClear 300 with foam block and
            carbon.
plants: a couple of Amazon sword. Laterite in gravel.
fish: 2 Oscars (3 in)
      1 Elephant nose (5 in)
      1 Pl*c* (3 in)
      2 Synodontis notatus (2.5 in)
      4 Syno. eupterus (2 & 3 in)
      2 Syno. occelifer (4 in)
      1 Syno. angelicus (1.5 in)

The trouble started after I fed the oscars with feeder goldfish. That
was the first time and the last time, I swear. I put the goldfish in
another tank and fed oscars a few pieces each day and they finished
them in a few minutes. I suppose oscar's digestive system can kill the
fungus/bacteria. But after a couple of days, the angelicus had ick.
Since I already had salt in the tank, I only raised the temperature
and it cured. A few days passed and I kept using goldfish. Now one
oscar and one occelifer have ick and almost all the fish are scrubbing
against gravel/rocks (without visual symptoms). A very knowledgeable
pet shop person told me to treat the tank with Maracide, by Mardel. He
said it won't kill the bio-filtration. I'd like to solicit opinions
from the net about the usage of Maracide. Other medication? No
medication? Thanks.

-- Ming
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: patti@hosehead.intel.com (Patti Beadles)
Subject: Re: The *MONSTER* ?
Originator: patti@hosehead
Organization: Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, OR
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 15:08:31 GMT

Y'all were talking about me, and my ears weren't even burning.  I
would've missed the articles completely if a new one hadn't just come
through today ... the original and the first followups were lost in my
post-MACNA fast-skimming of news.

The Monster is still alive, although currently he's sorely neglected.
Early this year I got into a situation at work that required me to
spend ridiculous numbers of hours in the office (like I worked
sixty-three consecutive days once.)  Ergo, no time for the tank.  A
heat wave that occurred while I was out of town on business led to the
gradual demise of several of my favorite corals (including a frogspawn
that was a birthday present from daveo almost two years ago, and an
elegans that used to open up to larger than 2'x1').

Currently I'm looking for a new place to live, and will be moving the
tank lock, stock, and barrel in a few months.  (No sympathy cards
necessary, but thank you anyway. :-)  The current challenge is to find
a condo that has a floorplan that will accommodate an 8' long aquarium
and associated filtration (which I want to place in another room this
time) and won't empty my checkbook.  I had fun trying to explain to my
real estate agent that yes, I really *did* need something that was on
the ground floor.  

"Yes, Carol, it's heavier than a waterbed. ...  Carol, it's two tons 
spread out over sixteen square feet."

"Oh.  I guess you need something on the ground floor then."

Somebody mentioned the article in the September FAMA ... about a year
and a half ago, while I was in the process of setting up the Monster,
Patty Burleson published her article on _Tips to Keep the Reef Tank
Hubby Happy_.  I read it, looked at my family room, and realized that
she sure wasn't talking about *my* house.  I wrote a sarcastic
followup, and I now have evidence that FAMA will publish *anything*
they receive.  If anybody's ever had them reject an article, please
tell me about it, and I'll revise my opinion of them.
-- 
Patti Beadles  503/696-4358 | I don't speak for Intel, nor vice-versa.
   patti@hosehead.intel.com |
   75555.767@compuserve.com | Practice random kindness and
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" |                  senseless acts of beauty.
From: che358w@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: lights, current from filter, fertilizer
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:38:24 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Hi,m
  Your all going to hate me for this question.

  I have a four foot tank with the standard sort light hood with a philips
power miser in it which I guess is a white light. At the aquarium they sell
flourescent lights which the shop keeper says are aquarium lamps with more
blue and pink than white light. At another shop the man swears by grow tubes
which are lights designed for growing plants.  Is there any difference and which
one is better for growing plants in a tank ?

  Also my e-heim power filter gave up the ghost and I replaced it with a more
powerful one which sucks 600 litres per hour . This has set up an incredible
current in the tank. Will the fish mind ? Will they get all worn out swimming
against it ?

  Last question: do you think the squeezings from the power filter when I clean
it ( it has those foam inserts) will make good fertilizer for the garden or
would I run the risk of spreading disease ( my fish seem pretty healthy) or
perhaps it will do no good at all ?

Thanks in advance

Samantha Lane
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Subject: Re: piranhas -info needed
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:57:02 GMT

colorado@next.com wrote:
: In article <1992Sep25.012750.13818@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>  
: harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Harish Devarajan) writes:
: > 
: > For a relatively random reason, it just occurred to me that it  
: might
: > be rather cool to have piranhas.  Does anybody have any thoughts on
: > this ?  I would like to know if I could keep them (the piranhas) in  
: a
: > small aquarium (they're tropical characin (?) if I remember my high
: > school zoology), their dietary habits, whether I could keep just  
: one,

: I think you might want to think twice about this.  This fish is a  
: very voracious eater.  And, it doesn't die easily if well kept, which  
: means you will have this fish for a very long time. 

Another point to consider - piranhas do not stay small.
They will eventually get to be quite large (over 6") and
require a much larger tank.  You can only keep a small
number in a tank at any given point in time (in a recent
article in FAMA, the author suggested that if you have
more than two, somebody's gonna be dinner), and of course,
you can't have any other fish in the tank.  The author
also acknowledged that putting one's hands in the tank
is a definite no-no (he'd been bit).  When all is said
and done, they sound like a lot more trouble than they're
worth.

Mind you, there are some fruit-eating species of piranha,
if it isn't their voracious meat-eating that you are interested
in.

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
From: booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:41:46 GMT
Subject: Re: otocinclus (sp?) in trouble
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria

In rec.aquaria, jays@cup.hp.com (Jay Schudel) writes:

    I have a question, last night I noticed my otos trying to attach themselves to
    the side of my other fishes.  Is this standard behavior once the algae is
    mostly gone?

I think there may be two kinds of ottos - we had one group we bought that 
seemed to like fish slime coats instead of algae.  If I remember right,
they seemed to have a larger, darker tail spot than the kind we normally
see. 

What do to about "Attack Ottos"?  We removed them from the tank and 
humanely destroyed them.  We got the deep fryer out, set it to about 
450 F and dropped the little suckers in.  Voila - Otto Crisps. 

:-)
-------
George
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: bob@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bob)
Subject: Lighting
Keywords: lights
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:43:48 GMT

Hi all!

     I have a question about tank lighting. I am setting up my third
salt water tank and have aquestion about lighting. Up to know I have
just been using the light that came with my tank hood. Is this
sufficient? Right now I have damsels but, would like to put some
butterflys or angel fish in the 75 and was wondering if the stock light
will do?

Thanks
Bob Staaf
bob@hubcap.clemson.edu
 
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:7770 alt.aquaria:5180
From: bjkramer@remus.rutgers.edu (Brian Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Pleco Food Part 2
Keywords: Pleco
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:54:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Thanks for everyones suggestions about cucumber for the Pleco.  My
Pleco hasn't touched it yet.  How long should I leave it in the tank?
I seeded it...do I leave the skin on?  What about other foods?
Lettuce?
From: colorado@next.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: piranhas -info needed
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:59:32 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep25.012750.13818@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>  
harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Harish Devarajan) writes:
> 
> Hiya, all!
> 
> For a relatively random reason, it just occurred to me that it  
might
> be rather cool to have piranhas.  Does anybody have any thoughts on
> this ?  I would like to know if I could keep them (the piranhas) in  
a
> small aquarium (they're tropical characin (?) if I remember my high
> school zoology), their dietary habits, whether I could keep just  
one,
> where I might buy them (I live in the Boston area), how much the
> upkeep might cost, and anything else I might need to know about
> keeping fish that'll make for a mutually rewarding, satisfactory
> relationship (with the fish).
> 
> And yes, I AM new to this.
> 
I think you might want to think twice about this.  This fish is a  
very voracious eater.  And, it doesn't die easily if well kept, which  
means you will have this fish for a very long time.  Nothing wrong  
with this, of course, this is what we keep fish for, to give them  
happy homes where they will leave happily ever after, but, beware.  I  
know of a lot of people that have gotten tired of their piranhas, and  
then don't know what to do about them ( they are not easy to get rid  
off- you can't trade them in, etc.)  In many places, like California,  
it is illegal to have them, I don't know about Boston.  It's not like  
they are the cutest fish out there either-- you have to be VERY  
careful when you put your hands in the tank, etc.  I think an oscar  
would be a much better idea...

Good luck either way.
Delia
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff)
Subject: Mixing Swordtails and tiger barbs
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 16:48:48 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: A

I have a nice swordtail fish with delicate fins.  If I were to ad
a school of tiger barbs to the tank, should I assume that the swordtail's
fins would be torn to shreds?
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: Need Help Growing Brine Shrimp
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:14:54 GMT

: >Lots of the 'killi factory' breeders in the Bay Area do this with good
: >success and avoid more hazardous foods like tubificid worms (blackworms
: >and tubifex,) which should be used with extreme reluctance, if at all.

Can someone expand on this?

thanks.

-- 

  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  +  Christine DelPrete-Delaney                             The Rest   o  +
  +  chris@unislc.slc.unisys.com                               ____    0  +
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:7696 alt.aquaria:5142
From: cichlid@pine.circa.ufl.edu (KUTTY)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Nitrates in Tanganyikan Tank
Summary: back from vacation
Keywords: nitrate, tanganyikan, africa, plants
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: cichlid@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <olson.717703212@dirac>, olson@dirac.phys.washington.edu (Erik Olson) writes...

>  * Just before I left, I transferred a lot of Val. spiralis from a planted
>tank in "because I was just going to throw it out anyway".  It has continued
>to grow, albeit slightly stunted & warped.  It has also thrown up stalks,
>something it never did in my low-hardness CO2-diffused tank.


I've found that some Vals.  like hard water and do well in high-nitrate
tanks. They've never done well in my low-nitrate, low-hardness hi-CO2
tanks. 

If you can deal with the new types of algae in your tank, you're set. 


It's probably geographically correct to have Vals. in rift lake tanks coz
there is a Val sp. that occurs there (V. aethiopica). 



                                          Vinny Kutty

P.S.: yes, I'm still around...occasionally. Netters interested in 
growing aquatic plants are welcome to call me at (813) 980-1778
during evenings and weekends for free help/tips...yet another service
of the Aquatic Gardeners Association. Before you call, remember that
I'm in Florida and that I hit the sack pretty early these days. 



Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor)
Subject: Re: [M] Invert Questions
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 16:19:05 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <2120@grivel.une.edu.au> rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au
(Robert Bennetts.) writes:
>	Today I bought a very pretty Nudibranch. ...
>	Could anyone tell me the name of this fellow, and if so, what books
> are there about for identifying inverts and corals and other marine stuff.

There is a nice little book by Neville Coleman and Richard Wilamette(?).
The latest version is called Nudibranchs of the South-West Pacific (I think).
Unfortunately many nudibranchs have very specific diets making it impractical
to maintain them in an aquarium (and yes a store might sell you such a
nudibranch).

For identifying Australian corals I'd suggest "Corals of the Indo-Pacific"
which costs about A$80. Also, for *very* general information on inverts
try the uni. second-hand book store for a textbook by Barnes called,
I think, Invertebrate Life.

Andrew Taylor
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: New tank and fish deaths
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.175102.100554@watson.ibm.com> cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff) writes:
>I just set up a new 110 gallon tank, let the water sit for a few days,
>added some ammonia/chlorine/chloromine remover, bought 2 kissing gouramis,
>2 swordfish, and 4 beuen aires tetras, and put them in the tank.
>I also added some Cycle.

So you fill the tank with water, don't test to see if your gravel is
leaching something toxic into the water, did not allow the tank to cycle and
let the bio filtration establish, did not slowly acclimate the fish to your
water, did not isolate the fish for a few weeks to make sure they are
healthy...  And your fish started dying.

Well, it's ONE way to break in the new tank.  Let the tank break in for 6-8
weeks, then satrt adding new fish.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jengagne@next03cville.wam.umd.edu (Jenny Lynne Gagne)
Subject: Re: Art modeling
Keywords: price
Reply-To: Jurassic Park as movie
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:46:11 GMT

In article <01GPIGZKV2SY002LKI@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu>  
FORTMAPL@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU (Paul Fortman) writes:
> 
> I am interested in doing some modeling too.  A friend, who knows of my 
> naturist lifestyle, suggested that I do some modeling and gave me the 
> name of who to contact.  Appearently models for art classes are hard 
> to get in this area (SW Ohio).  I definitely need the extra income.  
> What is the going and/or fair hourly rate for models?  To repeat the 
> question of a previous poster, what is it like to model for an art 
> class?  

As far as I know, our school's art models get $7-9 per hour.  It seems  
worth it; holding some of the poses for an hour can be, well, difficult  
I'm sure.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Sexuality and Social Attitudes
Keywords: no crosspost to alt.sex!
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:10:16 GMT

middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>>I see a large connection between open sexuality and nudism.
>
>You are using nudity to forward your own agenda of open sexuality.  PLEASE,
>before you post again.  Go read something about the history of nudism and
>naturism.  Take some time and LISTEN to what the majority of people who are
>involved in nudism/naturism have to say.  If you paid attention to postings
>before you responded to them you might LEARN something.
>
>I don't object to your "open sexuality" attitude.  I DO object to you
>hanging on to the nudists coattails (symbolically speaking, of course)
>to promote your personal agenda.

I go for first causes. Nudity could not possibly flourish as it might,
in a sexually repressed society.

Maybe I'm the Original Nudist: if I could not walk down Main Street U.S.A.
in the nude, then why not? What if I wanted to? Should I accept to be writing
e-mail about having to find the few places where nudity was not persecuted?
Should I keep writing about how dangerous it can be for nudists, as opposed
to '''society at large'''? I'm in an office building RIGHT NOW. I can't strip
down because, because, because. Well, I'm tired of because.

If people aren't afraid of their sexuality, they won't be afraid of being
naked or seeing naked people. Why continue living out a marginal existence
in the thin fringe that society permits, when society does NOT THINK AT ALL,
and makes laws reinforcing its own self-reinforcement, around why the naked
body is a threat? WHY TAKE IT LYING DOWN?? WHO MAKES THE RULES??

>> WE DO <<
>> YOU AND I DO <<

There is no THEM.
Our laws reflect what WE want.

And if we don't TALK about it, we will never GET it.

So too bad, I'm endorsing a more sexually-oriented society, yes.
MEANWHILE, open acceptance of nudity will be a CONSEQUENCE of such a society.

If I only have $1 to spend, spend it where it does the most good.

-ecsd
From: hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: nude clubs on college campuses :)
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:52:20
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
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In-reply-to: philb@cats.ucsc.edu's message of 22 Sep 1992 08:59:09 GMT

In article <19mn8tINNt88@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) writes:
|hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
|>In article <19jtanINNmui@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) writes:
|>|Thanks for the mention of the spot by Oakes, though :)
|>My personal preference is for the Crown Meadow, up near/in Elfland.
|Huh! The things you miss when you don't wander off the beaten path!

Yeah... There are rarely more than a couple of people there, in my
experience.  I usually either go to the beach or to Kiva if I want to
be nude.

|With all these nice locations, and apparently highly used ones, are there
|any UCSC-specific naturist organizations?

I wish I knew!  If you hear of anything, or anyone else knows
anything, about such a group, I'd like to hear about it.
--
William R Ward                       Bay View Software
VoiceMail: +1 (408) 479-4072         Internet:  hermit@cats.ucsc.edu
SnailMail: 1803 Mission St. #339     BITNet:    hermit@cats.bitnet
           Santa Cruz CA 95060 USA
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Women enjoying nature in natural state.
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:21:01 GMT

middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>
>Yes, people are different.  I met a woman at Deep Creek a few weeks ago
>who said she had been approached on a nude beach by a man who was mastur-
>bating.  He even went so far as to ask her for a hand.  She just laughed
>it off and walked away.  The fact that one or more women like being the
>object of attention or that some women can laugh it off when approached
>by a man with no self-control does not make these things acceptable.

>..........  Certainly you have to believe that we (men) are doing something
>wrong if our sisters have to get away from us to enjoy their natural state
>of being.

>Someone on here a while back said they were tired of all the attacks on men
>and wanted to defend them.  When you look at the problems on nude beaches
>it makes me almost sorry to be a man.  It is men that roam the nude beaches
>in groups, hunting for the female prey.  It is men who stare without concern
>for how the person they are staring at feels.  It is men who take photographs
>without having enough respect to ask permission.  It is men who use the nude
>beach as an excuse for their own sexual pleasure.  From all my reading here
>and in magazines and from all my discussions with other nudists over the years
>I have NEVER heard of one single case where a womans activities have been
>responsible for diminishing a nude beach and/or keeping people away.
>
>Now folks, I guess I should apologize for the above ranting and raving.  What
>I would like to see is a discussion of solutions.  I will try to ignore those
>that respond to this by defending men or claiming no problem exists because
>they have their eyes closed and/or are in denial of some form.  I would like
>to see more people (men, women, boys, girls, families) enjoy nude beaches
>the same way they enjoy textile beaches.  If you put your own enjoyment ahead
>of this then we really don't have much to talk about.

I may be that 'defender of men'. I think I'm defending *sexuality*. No matter.
Here goes:

It might surprise you that women are sexual creatures too. No, it is *not*
appropriate to go around soliciting for sexual involvement without discretion.
But *yes* it is alright for men and women to look for each other.

You presume that *no* woman on the beach wants to "be bothered".
Sorry; we don't know this.

The solution would appear to be to have designated areas, or designated
beaches, be places where this behavior is acceptable.

Just because women have been taught to suppress their behavior doesn't mean
they *may* not have similar intentions. The masturbator was at least being
open and honest. So let's find safe places for *both* kinds of behavior,
because both kinds of behavior *are* acceptable human behaviors. Just because
society itself is in *denial* around human sexuality doesn't mean the people
who seek to openly engage in sexual behavior are >Politically Incorrect<.

Rudeness or denial on either side is not nice.

-ecsd