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From: rharmon@triton.srg (Robert Harmon)
Subject: Final Curragh race of the N.American Season in N.Orleans
Organization: Arinc Research Corporation, Annapolis MD
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:18:47


This weekend.  Admittedly New Orleans is barely in North America, and is
practically in Central America but it will be plenty warm there.

The race will be somewhere on Lake Pontchartrain, I believe.  Or else on
Lake Maurepas.  With a party afterwards at this big Irish Pub somewhere.
But I know its going to be in New Orleans, it isn't that big, you can
find it.

Teams Competing:
    - Irish National Champions (origin unknown)
    - Seattle
    - Boston (2 teams)
    - Annapolis

Come on out and yell at us, while we're yelling at each other, it'll be
a blast!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Scottish Newsgroup
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:04:52 GMT

>In article <BvnE1E.8JJ@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>
>   >They have to call it "Irn Bru" because it doesn't have iron in it any more.
>   >It used to be called "Iron Brew".
>
>   All together now (in best pantomime tradition):-
>

>			OH! YES IT DOES!!!


Hmmmmm.. so whats the point? A drink for anemics? What does it taste 
like?









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From: niall@nmsu.edu (Niall Graham)
Subject: Re: Cliff Richard
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<1992Oct2.201326.10374@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
	<BvnF4o.9tw@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:07:17 GMT

Mea culpa.
I made an off-the-cuff remark about Jimmy Swaggart denigrating
Cliff Richard, when the thread had been on the subject of 
tv evangelists calling the EC a ten headed monster of the Apocalypse.
A series of responses then followed.

Now to another tangent:
Did anyone see Sinead O'Connor ripping up a picture of the pope on
Sturday Night Live?   
--

Niall Graham     "We live in an age that reads too much to be wise,
Los Alamos            and that thinks too much to be beautiful"
                                                        Oscar Wilde
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:44:35 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct14.080943.24963@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew
Huntbach) writes:

> I am sorry that Americans are so
> nationalistic that they see "American-bashing" everywhere.

> Matthew Huntbach

Good one, Matthew. :-)

Brendan.

Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
United Kingdom
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:24:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: spinoza@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
>picture of John Paul II, and commenced to ripping. Apparently, her stand
>on things Vatican is also colored a bit by her affiliation with
>Rastafarianism (in addition to her stands on abortion and Ireland), a
>belief system incorporating worship of Haile Selassie ("The Lion of
>Judah"), the former Emperor of Ethiopia.

Well, in this case her stand is definitely hypocritical, since
the Rastafarian position on women is essentially that they
should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie)
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
  
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:17:13 GMT

Andy,
	Fear not, for I am not worshiping your "devil".  That is purely a 
christian creation.  My Goddess was experienced long before jesus or any
other christian beliefs.   
	And as for Gardner, well, there were books printed prior to 1930
and I've already made that point.  I do NOT practice any Gardarian wiccan
beliefs...
        My religion is tied to mother earth and nature and has nothing..
absolutely nothing to do with anything christion.!!!!!!!!!
merry meet,  merry part,
				steve


Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:6577 soc.culture.french:7425
From: melennec@stna.dgac.fr (Ronan Melennec STNA 7C p8240 BD22)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.french
Subject: Re: Gallo?
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:09:20 GMT
Organization: STNA 95 rue Henri Rochefort 91025 Evry Cedex 33(1)60.79.80.00

Le gallo est un dialecte francais (a rattacher au groupe des
`langues d'oil' qui se parle dans la partie Est
de la Bretagne (on ne le parle pas dans le Finistere).
Comme je ne le parle pas, je ne saurais dire s'il contient ou non des
mots issus de la langue bretonne (voir ci-dessous). 

Le breton (ou langue bretonne) est une langue brittonique, proche du gallois parle au Pays de Galles, qui se parle dans la partie Ouest
de la Bretagne (incluant le Finistere). Tout comme en anglais, on y trouve un certain nombre de mots empruntes au francais. Neanmoins sa syntaxe et sa morphologie (conjugaisons, formation des pluriels, mutations) sont tout a fait distinctes de celles des langues neo-latines
comme les dialectes francais.

Il y a autant de distance entre le breton et le francais qu'entre
l'anglais et le francais.

Remarquer que le breton possede aussi ses propres dialectes...

Gallo is a French dialect, spoken in East Brittany (certainly *not*
in Finistere...). It may include a number of Breton words (I don't know
for sure, I don't speak it). It belongs, hence, to the neo-latin group
of languages, and, more precisely, to the `langue d'oil' subgroup.

Breton is a brittonic language, very close to Welsh ; it is spoken
in West Brittany (including Finistere). Just like
English, it has incorporated a number of French words
in its lexicon ; its syntax and its morphology (verb conjugations, plural forming, mutations) are, however, entirely
distinct from what is found in any French dialect.

In short there is just as much distance between Breton and French as 
there is, say, between French and English.

Also note that Breton has its own dialects...

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From: neve@nlm.nih.gov (Leif Neve)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: SNL 10/4/92- What did Sinead tear up?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:43:16 GMT
Reply-To: neve@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine

In article Hn3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, @symphony.cc.purdue.edu (null pointer) writes:
>I do not need to be told that organized religion is not
>flawless.  This is obvious to me, and to most everyone else.  

Organized religion is one thing. The Catholic Church quite another.
We know she was attacking the latter. I'm not sure about the former.

Given Catholicism's history of backwardness on social issues, and in particular
those relating to women (a matter about which Ms. O'Conner is well qualified
to have an opinion) , the attacks do not seem out of place.

Leif Neve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Scottish Newsgroup
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:53:33 GMT

In article <Bvt0Eu.9Bt@dcs.ed.ac.uk> morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay) writes:

>Why don't you order a veggie one from McSweens - some people ( me)
>prefer them!

>I often take one with me if I'm doing a spot of weekend hill-walking.
>A veggie haggis, a bit of turnip, some tatties and some butter
>cooked in a youth hostel on a cold evening after some honest excercise
>is a rare tea.

I've read some interesting things on this newsgroup but this takes the
cake   9-)

Describe one of these wonders to us. What do they use for the bag? Do
they use soy protein instead of sheep parts?


By the way.. its getting that time of the year again so can someone 
please post the Sawney Beane story again? I've gone and lost my copy 
again  8-(






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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Ugly Americans-It's not our fault
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:28:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw72z1.30K
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct14.133752.949@infotec.ch> andy@infotec.ch (Andrew Warinner) writes:

>Look on the bright side.  If there wasn't as much violence
>in the U.S., we wouldn't produce those police TV shows and
>films that you Europeans love so much.  How many cars chases
>and shoot-outs have you seen on "Inspector Morse"? :-)


Heh.. Whenever he does he ends up bashing in the door of his
red Jaguar... I think they just ran out of door panels and fen-
ders....




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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: What Inquisition????
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 03:07:59 EDT

Some of the posters who claim the Catholic Church stamped out Druidism
(I refuse to use the term Wiccan, since it is of Saxon origin) keep
pointing their literary fingers and saying "Ever heard of the Inquisition?"

Well, I have, and in fact I've studied the Inquisition at length. This is
a direct quote from "The Western Heritage" (Kagan, Ozment & Turner, New       
York, 1983) and attributed to research done by Dr. James Powell of Syracuse,
a Medieval Church historian.

"Pope Gregory IX (1227-1241) introduced the Inquisition into [France]...
This institution, a formal tribunal for the detection and punishment of
heresy, had been in use by the church since the mid-twelfth century as
a way for bishops to maintain diocesan discipline..."

So we have a gap of about 700 years between the conversion of Ireland
and the inception of the Inquisition. If that isn't enough, remember that
the Inquisition was a papal court, and that the Irish bishops did not           acknowledge the authority of the Roman Pontiff until after 1171 when Henry II
invaded Ireland. Even after that the Irish Church was nonconformist right
up until the 1530's when Henry VIII decided to establish the Protestant
Church of Ireland! The Inquisition, so busy in Spain, was never a real
entity in Ireland. 

Apart from the merits of Druid or pagan religions vs. Christianity,
please do not drag the Inquisition into this. IT DIDN'T EXIST in Ireland
(certainly not with St. Patrick or for a long time after!). This would
be like saying Rome was destroyed before it was built!

Chris Dunlea
Syracuse U.
crdunlea@rodan.syr.edu
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:09:43 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: downey@enh.nist.gov
>I didn't see any evidence of Steve displaying a smug and
>superior attitude or throwing insults.

The claim that the Celts were converted from paganism through
violence and that "Wiccanism" is a genuine descendants from
pre-Christian religious beliefs is smug, superior and
insulting.

>And, Matthew, please
>stop putting words in my mouth.  I didn't say Christians MUST
>believe, I said one could argue that point.  Maybe I should
>have made myself more clear.  Creationism is taught from the
>Bible, and the Bible is the "holy word" and the ruling
>authority for Christianity, historically.  I was attempting
>to point out a philosophical argument not a specific case.

The Bible is full of metaphor, and comes from a culture which
loved myth and metaphor. Right from the very start of
Christianity (I'm sorry I can't give quotations from the early
Church fathers, but they exist) the idea that the creation
story was literally true rather than a metaphor is discounted.
It is only those extreme Protestants who worship the Bible
rather than God who don't hold to this. Most Christians (most
Christians are not Protestants) don't see the Bible as the
"ruling authority" for Christianity. The ruling authority for
Christianity is the existence of the Church directly descending
from the Apostles.

>And must you intersperse your arguments with more American
>bashing?  Really, there are plenty of lunatic fringes in
>other countries besides the USA.  Your statement - "... the lunatic
>fringe in the USA ..." - shows your bias.

Most extreme evangelical sects are based in the USA or heavily
influenced by the USA. I am sorry that Americans are so
nationalistic that they see "American-bashing" everywhere. I
simply pointed out a fact. In no other Western country is "creationism"
treated as anything more than a joke by all but a tiny fraction
of the people.

> By the way, can you
>tell me about any RC churches that preach evolution.  Does the
>Pope now preach evolution?  Creationism was still being taught,
>last I heard; and, in many NON-lunatic denominations.

There is only one RC Church. Please give me evidence you have
that the RC Church teaches "creationism". I have never seen any
reference to it in anything from the RC Church, even from
fairly conservative theologians. I have seen it written down in
black and white that the creation story is to be taken as a
myth in books which have the official seal of approval from the
RC Church (the "Nihil Obstat").

Matthew Huntbach
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:00:36 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct9.212316.24105@spock.retix.com> jk@spock.retix.com (John Keegan) writes:

>>Well, her opinions provoked quite a many thoughts from you...

>>Who would decide what's constructive and what's not? In my opinion IT would 
>>be constructive if only a person's opinions were critiziced, not the person 
>>him/herself. Disagree with her if you want, but attacking her person doesn't 
>>make your opinions any more convincing, on the contrary.

>>Regards,
>>Timo Ahonen                        "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
>>University of Helsinki             intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
>>Finland                            universe is that none of it has tried to
>>Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI            contact us." Calvin by Bill Watterson

>I certainly don't feel, one can seperate Sineads opinions and personality on
>this issue.

But one should. In every issue. Otherwise the only way to disagree with 
someone's opinions is to get rid of the person. Permanently.

>The fact that she is in the public spotlight means her actions
>will be noted. She is trying to argue the case for abortion in Ireland and
>I think it would be a sad day for Irish Women if abortion was passed because
>of the influence of the PERSON Sinead O' Connor.

Why? If a good cause is achieved, does it matter who's been involved in the 
fight and what for? Would it be a sad day just because of a Ms O'Connor 
was involved? She's not THAT important, methinks.

Timo Ahonen                        "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
University of Helsinki             intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
Finland                            universe is that none of it has tried to
Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI            contact us." Calvin by Bill Watterson
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:15:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <23455@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

    I'm curious how Sinead's little act on the most recent Saturday Night
   Live show is being taken in Ireland and the UK. 

It's not being taken at all, because it's an American show and we don't see
it here!  Why, what happened?
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From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: David Yaa-hoo-ee!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:42:08 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Kevin Patrick O'Connell (oconnell@vms.macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
: recent posting).  The PROPER (yes that's *proper*) way to express 
: gaiety, or to convey a visual "wink of the eye" is to use the ASCII 
: smiley system, which some net.deity will be glad to send you for the 
  The proper way to express yourself in writing is through the skillful
use of language. It seems to work in most other written media.  The
ASCII smile system is a crutch available to us poor mortals who don't
have that skill :-)
  The use of *this* or THAT to emphasise can get on the nerves until 
one becomes used to them.  I'd probably use _underlining_ or -minus-
or =equals= and even +plusses+ ,  which keep the added clutter to a
minimum.


: Kevvie
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From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Kilt availability.
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:13:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Oct5.022907.8101@philmtl.philips.ca>, by ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn):
> Clearly women have every right to dress themselves up as men and play in a
> pipe band, but that doesn't mean that we should suddenly understand that
> the kilt is usual female attire.
> 
> I'd never seen a women's pipe-band until I left Scotland and came to NA,
> and the _last_ one I saw was attempting to play that well known Scottish
> air, "Yankee Doodle Dandy".
> 
> I've heard some very competant women pipers and drummers, and some extremely
> good bands with female members, but never I must admit, a good all-female
> band, although I presume there must be some.  But why must the female
> members wear men's traditional attire?

The second best pipe band I have ever heard (and far and away the best
civilian pipe band I have ever heard) was an all-woman pipe band from
New Zealand who played at the Highland Games in Santa Rosa about a
decade ago.  They were superbly rehersed and well drilled.  Next to the
ladies, the all male bands from the US and Canada were quite
enthusiastic, but very amateurish.

On the other side of the coin, their uniforms were skirt length, not kilt
length.

Chris Prael
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:27:29 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct9.012928.14989@spock.retix.com> jk@spock.retix.com (John Keegan) writes:

>My only reaction to the actions of Sinead O'Connor in the above mentioned
>incident and her recent performance on Sat. night live is -  
>Who the f*** does she think she is ?

>I still cannot understand how Albert Reynolds had the time to entertain her
>while he refused to meet with a representation of female deputies in the Dail.
>I don't wish to start a debate on the pros/cons of abortions, but I'll just say
>the circumstances of her two abortions in a relatively short time, had little
>to do with the issue of the raped 14 year old girl. As far as I'm concerned 
>she is not the right person to give constructive views 'pro' abortion. 

>I have listened to her on many talk shows in Ireland and the U.S.A and every
>time she just talks shite, she is merely a attention seeker who has let her
>musical fame go right to her bald head.

>The action of tearing up a picture of the Pope was mindless and childish
>and serves no purpose other that to further polarize the differences between 
>those who support the catholic church view on abortion rights and those who are
>tirlessly fighting in support of Roe v. Wade here in the US, or those in
>Ireland who are trying to get the abortion issue on the Constitutional
>agenda. 

>She should stick to singing and shut her mouth when she is not performing
>unless she really has something constructive and thought provoking to say.

>John

Well, her opinions provoked quite a many thoughts from you...

Who would decide what's constructive and what's not? In my opinion IT would 
be constructive if only a person's opinions were critiziced, not the person 
him/herself. Disagree with her if you want, but attacking her person doesn't 
make your opinions any more convincing, on the contrary.

Regards,
Timo Ahonen                        "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
University of Helsinki             intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
Finland                            universe is that none of it has tried to
Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI            contact us." Calvin by Bill Watterson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Samhain, how to celebrate...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:41:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.152546.15418@news.nd.edu> ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

|Dress up in a funny costume, and knock on people's doors, and if they don`t
|give you any candy or fruit let the air out of their tires, or spray their
|house with Gilette Foamy. or...

|Actually, American celebrations of Halloween have become so tame and    
|commercialized, I never hear of any tricks, apart from razor blades in candy
|bars (a good one :-) ).

|As kids we used to dip for apples, catch `em in our mouth, embed a myriad of
|different objects in Barmbracks, etc..  Has anyone ever seen a brack over
|here?

Sit around in the dark telling ghost stories (the Sawney Beane one 
should be good while eating haggis 9-) ). Rent Friday 13th. String 
marshmallows on a string and have a vertebrae eating contest. Set 
off rockets horizontally. Hang a sheet from a tree limb. Sit out in
the woods and play a musical saw. 





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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Ugly Americans-It's not our fault
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:47:03 GMT

From article <1992Oct14.190200.14161@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, by folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse):
> The sentence should have rread: "they are herding cultures, and
> herding cultures &c.... "    something to do with having to be ready to defend
> their flocks with violence at any given money.
> 

I think it was in the "Accent of Man" by Bronowski, where it was said
that it was after farming became established that disputes between
peoples became more prevelent (rather than the hunter-gatherers). I
realise that the comment is about herders, but, might it be again that
the more "settled" we are the more likely that disputes will arise? In
other words just because you have a herder culture might not necessarily imply
that that culture is more violent.

														GW