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From: daven@notable.com (Dave Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Stuffit SpaceSaver - installation tips
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:00:07 PST
Organization: Notable Technologies, Inc.
Reply-To: daven@notable.com
X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <Aug.26.16.43.51.1992.20866@gandalf.rutgers.edu> (comp.sys.mac.apps), rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) writes:
| 
| I recently installed Stuffit SpaceSaver from my 3.0 update, and
| thought I'd share a few tips in case these haven't already been
| discussed ad nauseum on the net...

[ tips removed for brevity ]

If you're a programmer, you might also want to make certain that your include
files and source code files are not compressed either. You'll see compile
times lengthen noticeably if these files are compressed.

--Dave

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From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Where is "An Intro to MIDI 1.1"?
Keywords: midi hypercard
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:05:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I recently saw an article in MacWorld, where the author recommended
the shareware stack "An Intro to MIDI 1.1". Does anyone know where I
can download this from? I tried sumex and umich with no luck.

thanks,
Ralph
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Phone: (609) 757-6122; Internet: rgonzal@elbereth.rutgers.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: disinfectant 3.0????
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:54:13 GMT

j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes:

>In article <al196521.715456252@academ01>, al196521@academ01.mty.itesm.mx
>(Juan Carlos Guerra Escamilla) wrote:
> 
>>  does any of you know when is the version 3.0 of the popular anti-viral
>> program Disinfectant will be available for FTP.
> 
>I was planning to do an ambitious new version 3.0 of Disinfectant with all
>sorts of new features to take advantage of System 7. I even made the
>horrible mistake of describing it and promising to release it publicly.
>Unfortunately, over a year ago, when I was about half way through the
>project, I ran out of steam. Since then, I have lost interest in viruses
>and Disinfectant and moved on to other projects (mostly networking stuff).
>It appears that my attention span is limited to a maximum of 3 or 4 years
>:-)

>Note that when and if the next virus appears, Disinfectant's version number
>will increase to 3.0. Apple's version numbering scheme doesn't permit
>mutiple digits after the decimal point, so I can't go to v2.10. This will
>probably cause all sorts of confusion, since people will think that is the
>big new version with all the new features I was promising a year ago. Sigh.

You could always increase the version number to 4.0 and skip the 3's
altogether... that would avoid people expecting all the "neat" features
in 3.0 :)
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "This is supposed to be a happy occasion.
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  Let's not bicker and argue about who
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |  killed who."
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |
From: bradm@anchor.ems.cdc.com (Brad Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Looking for _Powerful_ Personal Organizer
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:42:53 GMT
	<1992Sep3.163718.11257@EE.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Empros Systems International
In-reply-to: robinson@EE.Stanford.EDU's message of 3 Sep 92 16:37:18 GMT

>>>>> On 3 Sep 92 16:37:18 GMT, robinson@EE.Stanford.EDU (Heyward G. Robinson) said:

HGR> In article <1992Sep03.012717.5456@brtph560.bnr.ca> Pete Kelly <pfkelly@bnr.ca> writes:
>In article <MERLYN.92Sep2134838@romulus.reed.edu> Randal L. Schwartz,
>merlyn@ora.com writes:
>>Yes, I have Thoughtminder.  
>
>What's Thoughtminder ?

HGR> I think that he means ThoughtPattern.  The current version of
HGR> ThoughtPattern (1.3) does not include a calendar.  The program
HGR> contains many useful information management features, however,
HGR> including notetaking, keyword indexing, file management, and alarms.
HGR> You can find a demo of it on Sumex in the demo folder.

HGR> The program is being completely overhauled and will include a calendar
HGR> and address book in version 2.0, which will be released later this
HGR> fall.  I think that version 2.0 will address many of the features that
HGR> Randal needs.  He is correct that there is currently no single program
HGR> that serves as an integrated personal information manager.  Most
HGR> vendors have opted to focus on a single need: a calendar, an address
HGR> book, a notetaker, etc.  Version 2.0 of ThoughtPattern will be the
HGR> first to integrate all these functions (and many others, including
HGR> file management) into a single program.

HGR> -Heyward Robinson

HGR> Disclaimer:  I am a consultant to Bananafish Software, publishers of
HGR> ThoughtPattern.  

One program that hasn't been mentioned so far that IMHO is very good is
_Remember?_ Version 2.3.2

I have been using this on my powerbook for a few weeks now, meanwhile I have
been checking out some of the other ones I could find in the info-mac archives

   Do-it-all
   ThoughtPattern

plus a couple others that I can't even recall the names of.

Remember is very good at managing appointments, birthdays, events,
and other notes (such as time worked for company x on a given day etc)

The Alert boxes are good, and easy to set up, and it only takes up a 20k 
partition.  I leave it up all day.

(Dave Warker:  If you are reading this, The check is in the mail. . .  Really!)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: rebecca@cco.caltech.edu (Mark L. Fussell)
Subject: Lab, Idea notebook ("Hypertext")
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:10:17 GMT


A friend asked me the following question:

--                                        ... do you have any
-- suggestions about programs for the Mac that would be good for
-- organizing my ideas about various areas of research or theory?  I guess
-- it would be something like a lab notebook, with the ability to
-- create hypertext connections.  The entry sections would have to be able
-- to hold from a few lines to several pages of text, and I would need
-- to be able to print it out easily (ideally, in different arrangements
-- of sections -e.g., by topic, date, etc.).  Do you know of something
-- that would fit the bill?

I suspect other requirements are:
    Reasonably priced (<$300)
    No programming


I know of a number of hypertext/notes managing products out there:

    The All Powerful/All Purpose:
        Hypercard, Supercard, etc.
        
    Hypertext:
        Guide
        Cybermap
        ...unsuitable high end products (like: Xerox's Notecards)
        
        
    Outliners:
        More


    Hyper-Outliners and document managers:
        Storyspace
        Thought Pattern
        ?? other ??


    Suitable Databases:
        Helix?


    ?? OTHER ??
    

I was wondering if anybody has experience and opinions on the above (or other)  
products, especially their abilities for this lab notebook.  I'm especially  
interested in information on Storyspace and Thought Pattern, which I hadn't  
heard of until reviewing my Mac magazines this weekend.  

                                      -- Mark


Mark L. Fussell
rebecca@cco.caltech.edu        

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: andrews@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (John Andrews)
Subject: Re: disinfectant 3.0????
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 02:34:37 GMT

dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek) writes:

> [comments about how Disinfectant is fine the way it is.]

>That's just my $0.02.  I expect a few other people on the net will
>have their own comments to make.

>  --dave

Nope, you summed up my feelings exactly.  Disinfectant works well, has a clean
interface, is updated for new viruses very quickly, and is free.  Can't ask
for more than that.

--
John Andrews (andrews@csrd.uiuc.edu) "He who dies with the shortest .sig, wins"
Graduate Research Assistant, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: knguyen@emr1.emr.ca (Kim Nguyen)
Subject: Maxima and 8*24 GC
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:20:41 GMT

Hi netters,
Maxima was once incompatible with 8*24 GC init. Is it compatible with the latternow ? The compatibility is not mentioned on the ads, but the Readme from
8*24 GC init 1.1 did.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Subject: SuperCard Program?
Reply-To: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Organization: Amoco Production Company
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:24:09 GMT

Hey, what's a SuperCard program?

Tom.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: Norton's Utilities 2.0's Speed Disk
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:48:16 PDT

In article <1992Sep1.023805.24219@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, on 1 Sep 92 02:38:05 GMT,
jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:

>
>Is Norton's Utilities 2.0's Speed Disk "bug free" now for use under System
>7.0?  If there are any remaining problems, what are they?  Any comments on
>the quality of optimization achieved are welcome.
>
>Jess Holle
>

I heard about the problems with Speed Disk 1.0, but I never encountered
them.  And I've had absolutely no problems with version 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: perrocho@inf.ethz.ch (Louis Perrochon)
Subject: Re: Word 5 Questions
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:05:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.055113.4858@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:

>3)  Does Word 5.0 adequately open all Word 4.0 documents???

I had no problems with letters, a 70-pages document full of styles, headings,
graphics, footers,...
And when I save it, Word4 could still read it. I'm currently using both
Versions.
Louis
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From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Word 5 Questions
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:51:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Just a couple of Word 5.0 questions that are really bothering me:

1)  Why do I get a warning about the "MT Extra" font not being available
    when I start the equation editor?  This warning also states that this
    may cause the equations to be displayed incorrectly and will not allow
    printing.  Is all of this true?  If so, how do I fix it?

2)  What is different between Word 5.0 and Word 5.0a?

3)  Does Word 5.0 adequately open all Word 4.0 documents???

I ask all of these questions because I use Word 5.0 at various labs and both
5.0 and 5.0a gave me the warning about MT Extra.  Since I did not set up the
software, I have no idea if someone forgot to install it, or if it is a 
stupid bug.


Thanks,

Jess Holle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: majnun@parrot.in-berlin.de (Albrecht Hofheinz)
Subject: mcvert 1.8.3 errors - HELP!
Summary: mcvert: hqx_to_bin_fork errors: writing xxx too many bytes. HELP!
Keywords: mcvert UNIX Mac
Organization: Parrot Public BBS
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 10:56:35 GMT

I just got the new mcvert 1.83, but unfortunately I cannot use it,
because it gives me always the followeing kind of error:

(This is an example):

Converting     Zync.sit                       type = "SITD", author =
"SIT!"
hqx_to_bin_fork: writing 62 too many bytes

last perror (may not be relevent): Error 0
/usr/local/mcvert: exiting

The previous version (1.6) worked fine for me. What's going wrong?

Thanks for any help

Albrecht Hofheinz
majnun@parrot.in-berlin.de
From: banks@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Word 5 problems
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:19:02 GMT
Organization: ISCA

I have two problems with Word 5:

1.	On my SE/30 (as on any other desktop machine) using the 'down'
arrow key on the arrow keypad takes through through composed lines to the 
bottom one.  When you press the key again, you are taken to the end of the
line (and so ready to start typing agin).  On my PowerBook 170 this
*sometimes* works and sometimes doesn't - the cursor just stays in the
middle of the bottom line and doesn't move to the end, except one
character at a time when you use the right arrow key.  Not a major
problem by any means, but irritating.

2.	In Word 4, there was a useful button in one of the Table
configuration boxes, that allowed you to set the width of a single
column, and then move on to the next column, set the width and so on
(I am no longer running Word 4, so I can't remember the exact sequence
or command name).  In Word 5 the 'Table cells' command in the 
'Format' menu, seems to do the same sort of thing, but *without* the 'set next
column width' feature.  Has this feature really disappeared or can I just not
find it - I used to use it constantly and really miss it!

Incidentally, am I the only one who thinks that the command 'Table layout'
should be the one that does this (I am altering the layout of the table),
when in fact the command is 'Table cells'?

Any help/advice gratefully received!

Marcus Banks
Oxford
BANKS@VAX.OX.UK.AC
From: csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Blackplague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Autodoubler kills *everything*
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:55:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: George Mason University-IDO

In article <1992Aug26.235828.5267@newshost.unh.edu>, K_LEPA@unhh.unh.edu
(Kristen   Lepa) wrote:
> 
> Not only do the files not know their applications and "Fat Elga" need minor
> repairs, but the icons have now lost their bundle-bits and Norton can't find
> them, so they're all generic icons.  Ugh, what a nightmare.  
> 
> What's happening?!?!
> Someone help Fat Elga!
> 
> -Kristen     :(

Are you sure the Autodoubler init is still loaded?  Is the ADExpand* Util
installed on the hard drive?  Your symptoms sound like the answer is no to
both of these.

Blackplague
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Retrospect Network Connection
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:45:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central

Craig> == Craig Williams <craigw@fnal.fnal.gov> 

 Craig> Here's another quirk for all you Retropect users out there in
 Craig> netland. It seems Retrospect defaults to backing up over
 Craig> whatever network channell you have selected in the chooser.

Right, because it uses AppleTalk protocols.

 Craig> I mean I can use ehernet for reading news while still connected
 Craig> to a file server, why not both like this, too?

Perhaps because your newsreader is using TCP/IP, not AppleTalk, and you
can separate the protocol stacks?
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
            ``Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ti Kwan Leep.
            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle)
Subject: Re: mcvert 1.8.3 errors - HELP!
Keywords: mcvert UNIX Mac
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:24:43 GMT

In article <justin.715153549@mik.uky.edu> justin@mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan) writes:
>>The previous version (1.6) worked fine for me. What's going wrong?
>
>   Are you running this on a Sequent (DYNIX) system by chance? For some peculiar
>reason, it only does this to me when I run it on a Sequent Balance (compiled
>with gcc 2.0). 
>
 ... stuff deleted...
>
>   Personally, I've run it in debug mode and all that jazz, but it doesn't 
>reveal anything useful. Hopefully, this doesn't scare off potential mcvert
>users, since 1.83 is pretty good (except for this one problem, which as I
>said only seems to occur on Sequents), and worth upgrading to (if you can).

This problem occurs on other systems as well. I have encountered it on a
MicroVax running Ultrix. Lint provides an interesting analysis indicating
quite a few call problems. I have not looked into it very far, but I wonder
if the problem is dependent on the size of variables (e.g. on a Sparc an
int is 4 bytes, but may be only 2 elsewhere). I also note that the Sparc
is a bsd machine, while Ultrix is System 5 (I think???).

If someone finds the cause of this problem, many of us would appreciate
knowing the fix!

-- 
==========================================================
Jack Brindle
ham radio: wa4fib
internet: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: How can one copy an audioCD sound ?
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:35:02 GMT

d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
: 
: However, that's by running analog lines from a CD to a special
: input on the quadra motherboard. Fake :-(
: 

Yes, I said sampling, not copying audio data.

I recently got an interesting CD for my Mac. This CD had five (I think) tracks,
one was a Mac file system partition, and the rest were music. What was 
interesting with this CD was that using the software on the disc, I could
access the data in the file system part and playing the sound of the music
tracks at the same time. This disc is a multimedia CD ROM, and it's reading
image data from the disc and playing music through the CD drive audio output.
I could also make it play the music through the built in Mac speaker, but with
less quality of course. It all looks very neat on the screen.

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
Department of medical systems                  Ph:  +46 18 187817
Sweden                                         Fax: +46 18 187825
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Annie Fetter <annie@cs.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: ATM on a Quadra?
Organization: The Geometry Forum
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:47:50 GMT

I have ATM 2.0.2, and it won't run on my Quadra.  Is there a newer
version, and does it work on a Quadra?  Is there any sort of upgrade for
ATM?

Thanks,

              -Annie
Annie Fetter
annie@cs.swarthmore.edu
The Geometry Forum
Swarthmore PA 19081
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: eugene_rick@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com (Rick M. Eugene)
Subject: TN3270-Apple Extended Keyboard
Organization: Motorola-CIG-CAD/CAE/CAM Support
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:06:22 GMT

Does anyone know how to activate the numbers on the number pad on the Apple
Extended Keyboard when using TN3270?

Rick M. Eugene
Motorola
Cellular Infrastructure Group
CAD/CAE/CAM Support Group
Computer Applications Analyst
E-Mail:  eugene_rick@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
(708) 632-7182
Views are my own, and not those of my employer! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
From: mxmora@unix.SRI.COM (Matt Mora)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: File viewer for Big Text Files?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:07:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <leec4-310892170549@design3.meche.rpi.edu> leec4@rpi.edu (CD Lee) writes:

>There is a program call "More or Less" can do what you want. MOL by
>Matthew Xavier Mora which is a unix like more program to display the data.
>Full system 7 drag-&-drop any file can be display. Even I only give 128K
>memory,
>but it run fine for 2-MB docs. You can contact author at
>mxmora@unix.sri.com.

Thanks for the plug but it should be known that this program as it stands
now is buggy and is still in beta. It requires system seven,only does line
wrapping not word wrapping and it reads the entire file into memory to 
display the file. It uses temp memory if there is not enough memory in the 
app's partition to read the file.

Its still very useful and I use it almost every day.

You're welcome to get a copy from me if you don't mind these limitations.

Matt

-- 
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SRI International           |  my unix  mxmora@unix.sri.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: sears@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bart Sears)
Subject: Re: JPEG decompressor? (Summary)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:46:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Keywords: JPEG, JFIF, Viewer


Thanks for the follow up on jpeg.  I sent some mail to Jeff Lewis
(author of Imagery) and he confirmed that the two-pass color
quantization on Imagery/JPEG v0.6 was broken.  I had not realized that
v0.6 was based on the JPEG Group release 2.  He said that color
quantization should be much better in the next release of Imagery.

Thanks for clarifying the problems in converting gif->jpeg->gif.
Since I have not done a lot of work with jpeg, I was not sure exactly
how it compressed files.  All I knew was that both "original" 24 bit
jpeg files and gif->jpeg->gif (ie 8bit source) files look bad when
viewed on a mac with the current viewers/converters.

In the meantime, I have taken the JPEG group release 3 software and
sucessfully compiled on my mac (with Think 5.0).  I finally have a mac
converter which does a decent job of converting jpeg->gif.  I am
assuming that the next version of Imagery will be out fairly soon, so
I am not planning on trying to relase this  (as noted in the
documentation, the current JPEG Group code for the mac has a fairly
primitive user interface.)

In xv, I current feel (subjective) that "best" (ppmquant) does a
slightly better job with color quantization than "slow" (which is what
I believe that JPEG group code uses).  However, as you say, this may
be due to dithering effects.  I will try some more experiments.

						Bart
From: gleeson@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Red Mountain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: disinfectant 3.0????
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:14:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

In <j-norstad-030992121141@norstad.acns.nwu.edu> j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad) writes:

>Note that when and if the next virus appears, Disinfectant's version number
>will increase to 3.0. Apple's version numbering scheme doesn't permit
>mutiple digits after the decimal point, so I can't go to v2.10. This will
>probably cause all sorts of confusion, since people will think that is the
>big new version with all the new features I was promising a year ago. Sigh.

So they can release system 7.1.1 and you can't release 2.9.1 ? Not very
nice of them really...

Marty.
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