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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Stuff
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:24:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.113414.10539@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>In article <copes.716017389@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>
>>BTW: The whole discussion on OS's is pretty irrelevant.  DOS was the
>>OS of the 80's, Unix will be the OS of the 90's.  The only thing
>>holding it back right now is recession.  I haven't met anyone here at
>>cs or over in engineering who doesn't like Unix.
> ^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I think you've just summed up nicely why UNIX *won't* be the desktop
>OS of the 90's :)

I really only see UNIX being around until a portable OS/2 or NT is
easily available.  The remote access part is different, tho'.

I see the OSs i nthe 1990s being between the 'older' OS/2 versions
with the 'larger' base and the higher-end and Microsoft Windows NT.

Keep in mind just HOW much PCs will inprove in  1-8 more years....

>Paul Secinaro
>pss1@kepler.unh.edu
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From: jdutka@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 11 Sep 1992 23:49:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Sep11.033424.17056@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Yes, the Alpha machines will be fast...I hope DEC doesn't try to turn
>Alpha machines into some kind of super propriety VAX-type like with
>VMS - hopefully UNIX and Windows NT on the Alpha will prevent that.  Oh,
>and isn't the Alpha to be sold?  So much more propreitary :-) opps.

I hope so - WPI just got an Alpha to test for about a month,
and I have a rather computationallty intensive CFD program I'd
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:54:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

dleslie@koh-sun1.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

>>Just curious, no offense...

>>would you mind clarifying what exactly do you mean by important countries?

>>I really want to know.

>>Yours Sincerely,
>>Kelvin

>	How about 'important' is a having an impact on the world? Or
>making a difference in the history of mankind?

making what kind of history? (again, no offense).  If this means interfering
other countries' politics and internal affairs while we have no clue what
is going on, than no thanks.  

If you mean developing atomic bombs and nuclear weapons just so we can
keep the world peaceful, than again, no thanks.

However, if you consider combating aids as a national concern, sure, I wouldn't
denounce that...


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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Amazing computing ad on A3000T
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:41:50 GMT

	
	There is an ad on the A3000T in septembet Amazing computing.
It's priced at $5990, or an upgrade for $1998.
	Now the impressive thing is that the 040 amiga might have
an 030 as well, quite stupid. One way or another they should have renamed
the machine to A3500T or A3040T. But given the old A3000T can be upgraded
to the 040 for $2000, that might not seem unreasnable but the question is
So that's the way we will get the AA chip set ? (Hmmm that's if that A3000T
does have the AA chip set or the card upgrade is not only a 040 upgrade)

	George
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Toaster gets 3rd place
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:23:13 GMT

I found this while looking for some reading material one dark and stormy 
night while waiting for a job to print from our ancient computer system.
This could be interpreted as old news, but I don't recall having seen it
on the net then...

This appears in the February 15 issue of DATAMATION magazine, described as
"for corporate computing professionals worldwide."
In the annual Datamation awards for products of the year, the New Tek
Video Toaster, described as a "video production system for the Commodore
International Ltd. Amiga," got third place in the Peripherals award,
behind two versions of the HP Laserjet Series III. Not bad! This is a
magazine that big fat cats are likely to see, and it sure doesn't hurt
the Amiga at all. In fact, it seems to be the only multimedia package that
made the awards at all.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh)
Subject: Re: Robinson Follow Up Article
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 04:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.164637.23190@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>
>>Robinson's original articles in 1984 stimulated many to the Amiga.  I'm
>>sure he is as frustrated as the rest of us who've been proselytizing the
>>Amiga for over 7 years now.
>
>I'm sure many people may sympathize with his elements of constructive
>criticism in the areas of hardware upgrades, marketing etc., but what
>I found particularly offensive was the effort he took to belittle
>the mentality of existing users. Most of us are equally knowlegeable
>about alternative architectures and software bases. But the
>'mushroom in the dark' condescension was entirely abrasive.
>
>Mark
>

The people on .advocacy tend to be more aware of the world around them.
If you look at local amiga bbs' or fidonet you'll see a much more
rabid, much less eclectic group.

You should stop by our local user group meetings sometime.  There are
people there who've made their living working with intel-based stuff
all their lives, and they absolutely refuse to believe that the amiga
isn't the best possible choice for every computing job.  It's almost
like a religion.  I'm guessing that those are the folks Mr. Robinson's
been in touch with over the years...

bill
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate <- (ha!)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:06:02 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <tony.716171724@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>>>
>>>Can the hardware provide the facilities for instantaneous
>>>screen swapping though?
>>>
>
>>Yes.  A typical 1MB VGA can store 6 screens of 640x480x4 graphics.  Switching
>>is instantaneous, via a "display start address" register.
>
>Do the graphics get updated on the screens that aren't displayed?
>

If I understand correctly, you are asking whether it's possible to draw to
the screens that aren't displayed.  Yes, it is.  If I misunderstood your
question, I apologize.

>
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From: kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:02:51 GMT
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy

Well, here is another first hand report. At the AmigaDOS 2.1/3.0 seminar 
given by Peter Cherna, Workbench in 256 color mode appeared to me to be  
about as fast as (maybe slightly slower) than sixteen color mode on my 
A3000 but certainly usable. I would be careful about any speed comments 
based on using the A4000's on display. A couple of times when I was 
playing with them I found programs running in the background. Anyway, 
except for some specialized situations I don't know why anyone would want 
to run an 256 color workbench anyway. 


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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:04:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep14.150422.13398
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep14.110621.19888@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>
>COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
[Repeated about, oh, several times.]

 
Jeff Young speaks about the Amiga 3000 and AGA incompatabilities:
WHAT mean yo DODOHEADS that AMAZING 3000 CANT BE IN 3000 PUT! EVEN MIGHTY ATARI
put new ZGA CHIPS into 2600! COMMODEDOOR not even fit MYTHICAL AGA into C64!
COMPANY HEADS should be SHOT for TREASON! They BETRAY USERS! ATARI WILL RULE
UNIVERSE! I am LOQUTUS! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! BOHOHOHO! CRY BABIES! BLATHER...
BLATHER! BLATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attention all clueless csaa users (can't be that many): <Grin>
   The above was a JOKE. It was a HUMOROUS LIE. Jeff Young NEVER said it. He
was NOT HERE. Now I start sound like JEFF YOUNG!!! WHO ARE DODOHEADS NOW!!!!
COMMODORE BLATHER BLATHER BLATHER BLATHER BLATHER...

(Disclaimer: I am not Jeff Young. I just find it funny that he vanished all
 of a sudden that he discovers the A4000 and AA/AGA are real. Poor guy. Maybe
 he went out and got a life. Nah, maybe not. <Grin>) Flame on, dudes.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: New machines from Gateway (more flame bait....)
Keywords: Aighhh
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:28:05 GMT

>>  impressive also, at least from the specs being posted on some of the IBM.PC
>>  groups.  Plus, by adding 4 more meg of ram ($120), and OS2 2.0 (79.95) the
>>  OS becomes much better.
>
>Your opinion about the OS is pretty subjective.

	Isn't everything talked about in c.s.a.advocacy subjective??  I guess
   I should have put an IMHO at the end.

							G.Greene

>
>Regards,
>-- 
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From: danaf@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Questions for people attending WOC
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

|> In article <13764.2ab0ec2b@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
|> >In article <2AB110B1.21230@news.service.uci.edu>, rcaslis@anansi.acs.uci.edu (Russell Caslis) writes:
|> >
|> >I append my request:
|> >
|> >  5) Any new about CDTV mark 2 (or whatever could be the name) ?
|> >     Is it real or rumour ? Any info about CDTV much appreciated because
|> >     it's too long I wish I had it but I'm delaying to buy it waiting for
|> >     the rumoured upgrade.
|> >
|> >
|> >Thanks !  
|> >  
|> >  Stefano Tine'
|> 
|> At Jim Dionne's talk on Friday (something you will probably be hearing
|> a lot about) he made the following quote :
|> 
|> The "new CDTV answers every wish list you could ever want on a CDTV, we
|> just don't have a release date".
|> 
|> Combine this with further quotes :
|> 
|> "[Commodore] is committed to providing full motion video on all products"
|> 
|> and...
|> 
|> the statement he made regarding work with the MPEG chipset internally
|> and one's imagination can really take off...

Yeah, well, watch out for that ol' imagination. I let my imagination run away
on the A4000. I imagined new, PC-killer resolutions, the DIG standard we've been
begging for for so long, and improved 16-bit sound. I was let down.

BTW: While I'm on the topic, I'm sick of hearing about how great the A4000 and/
or the Amiga line will be in "6 months"  or "two years" or "someday". Live in
the present, guys. The IDE interface in the A4000 is NOT excused by the fact that
a SCSI board will be ready "soon". The inclusion of the old Paula chip is NOT
excused by the fact (?) that we will have a DSP card "in 6 months". If the
A4000 was not READY, it shouldn't have been RELEASED! Commodore pulled the same
crap with the A3000 - you got a beta version (for all intents and purposes...) 
of the O/S, and missed out on a lot of improvements. 

So, if the A4000 isn't FINISHED yet, why didn't Commodore wait 9 months, get it
__DONE__, and release it at the WOC New York next summer? 

**SH_T**

|> mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:18:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.071832.16158@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.010011.9732@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>When in 256 color mode, the machine really crawled.  Just moving this 
>>icon around was horrible.  The reason for this, I believe is that the 
>>AA Chipset, although 32 bit, is still only 7MHz or something (to keep 
>>in sync with NTSC).  The performance was worse than a Mac with a 68030 
>>in 256 color mode.  At least in the workbench (using 3.0).  Maybe there 
>>are still some bugs, but it was alot slower than expected.
>
>In a way, the AA chipset is going to become the great equalizer, in favor 
>of systems like the Mac and IBM systems which have had 256-color hi-res 
>modes for a long time.  Ever since the Mac II and IBM SVGA systems first 
>started coming out, people have been complaining about their slowness while 
stating (falsely) that the Amiga was faster.  The real problem all along has 
>been that 640x480x8 is a hell of a lot of data to move around, and the Amiga 
>did not have any modes to use as a comparison against these systems.  Sure, 
>the Amiga seemed faster, but only because it's inferior display meant that 
>it was not burdoned with moving lots of data around.

Marc, have you seen actually used an A4000?  Why must you start your whining
and bitching before you've even seen one of the machines?  Since it is now
obvious that no one at C= took any of your numerous complaints seriously,
maybe you'll take everyone's advice and go away.  Hah!  Fat chance!  I bet
you'll still be here next year trying out for the asshole of the year award!

BTW folks, guess who gave Sunga Rettaf the A3400 article?

Pissed off now Marc?  I certainly hope so.

>But along comes the AA chipset, and we finally get to see how an Amiga 
>performs with 8 bitplanes at 640x480, and we see that it **CRAWLS**.  In 
>fact, we find that the Workbench is **UNUSABLE** in 256-color mode because 
>it is so slow, even though the Mac and IBM systems -- which have been 
>available for much longer -- are pokish but still very usable with 256 colors.

And now we finally get to see how big an **ASSHOLE** Marc Barrett is and
what a **WHINER** he can be.  

>The odd thing about the AA chipset, then, is that it could easily move
>die-hard Amigaoids to viewing Mac and IBM systems with a little more respect.

The odd thing about your bitching about the AA chipset, then, is that it
will easily move everyone to view you with even less respect, should that
somehow be possible.

>>keith

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Have a miserable life you little worm.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Amazing Prediction
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:13:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.040730.2885@tronsbox.xei.com> tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:

[ ]
>
>	The fact is that he is right. The A400 and the AA chipset are
>just not good enough to capture a signifigant slice of the PC market.

The markets are different. The machine's capabilities are different. PC's
have become the standard business computer in NA. That isn't about to change.
That doesn't mean there's no room for others. Word processing, spreadsheets
and databases are not everything.
 
The fact is, noone is going to dislodge the 486/P8, etc...from its market.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: How many Amiga dealerships (was Re: More AmigaWorld Lies)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:27:38 GMT

barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

> You have been on USENET for more than 4 years.

Has it been that long? It seems more like centuries. Well, maybe he'll
graduate soon, and get a job where he doesn't have net access. (I can
dream, can't I? :-)
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From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:26:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep11.015414.23703@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>dleslie@koh-sun1.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

>>>would you mind clarifying what exactly do you mean by important countries?
>>>I really want to know.

>>	How about 'important' is a having an impact on the world? Or
>>making a difference in the history of mankind?

>making what kind of history? (again, no offense).  If this means interfering
>other countries' politics and internal affairs while we have no clue what
>is going on, than no thanks.  

How about World War II? Or do you consider that an internal 'European' affair?
Or how about supporting rebels in Afghanistan? There is more to the world than
computer labs. Do you say 'no thanks' to the UN? Would you like to take this
opportunity to condemn the UN for getting involved in: a) Korean War  b) Iraq
c) current situation in yugoslavia? 

>If you mean developing atomic bombs and nuclear weapons just so we can
>keep the world peaceful, than again, no thanks.

So, are you against peace, or bombs? I suppose you would prefer a war
without nuclear bombs, to peace with nuclear bombs? Exactly how many
cities have been destryed since the end of WWII by nuclear bombs? Zero.
at the same time they have prevented the US and the USSR from destroying
each other and Europe. Not a bad trade off. Can you say 'Pershing II'?
Can you say 'bankrupt USSR'? So not only did nukes prevent WW III, they
brought communisim to an early, bankrupt demise. We should say thanks
to Dr. Edward Teller before we go to bed, for the lives his invention 
has saved.

>However, if you consider combating aids as a national concern,sure, I wouldn't
>denounce that...

Okay fine, how much money does the US spend on AIDS? enough? and for
everyones benefit.

>Yours Sincerely,
>Kelvin

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