Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Re: 145 to be discontinued?
From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:52:37 GMT

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>My dealer confirmed to me that the 100, 140 AND 145 are to be discontinued
>totally.  Just when we all hoped to have affordable powerbooks that
>we could buy as convenience items.

>What is Apple playing at?  There must be room for cheap and expensive
>powerbooks.  The markets are separate enough for apple to continue
>selling both: cheap and less gizmo machines, or expensive and more
>advanced ones.

>Are we to return to the days of expensive Macs again?

Well, the 100 has been gone for some time now (they've just been selling
left over stock) and the 140 was replaced by the 145.  I don't think that
Apple is raising the price bracket for the Powerbooks with the new models,
but rather raising the standard.  The low end of the new series (210
Duo/160) should replace the 145 without raising the price.  However, they
will add features such as external monitor support, grayscale screens,
and, in the case of the 210, dockability.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:53 EST
From: WERTZCJ@SNYBUFVA.CS.SNYBUF.EDU (Charles J. Wertz)
Subject: [q] dead mouse - just wondering

The mouse on our 1 1/2 year old SI quit today. It seems like the little switch
that the clicker hits was the problem. (I said seems.) My wife ran off to the
nearest MAC dealer. (Drove actually.) Cost about $80.00 exchange for a new
one.
The new one actually has a much better feel. But I am wondering if that is
about par for the coarse (grin) or if there is a simple trick I should have
known to fix it. (The pointer would move but the clicker wouldn't click.) Just
wondering if anyone has any insight. Using the MAC without a mouse is really
tough so that is like an emergency.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:33:44 -0700
From: marcush@leland.stanford.edu    (Marcus Edward Hennecke)
Subject: b/w startup screens... (R)

bsmith@center.colgate.edu writes:
> anyone know where I could find
> some nice black and white startup screen?

I use gif-converter version 2.2.10 to convert GIF pictures to startup
screens. That works fine on my Classic. You can get numerous GIF pictures
on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the directory graphics/gif. There are 26
directories called a, b, c, ... ,z where the pictures are stored by name.

I think gif-converter is on sumex-aim, in art/gif, but it could also be on
wuarchive.wustl.edu.

Hope this helps,

Marcus

--
Marcus Hennecke             | voice:  (415) 497-6636
Rains Houses 12C            | fax:    (415) 723-0010
704 Campus Drive            | e-mail: marcush@leland.stanford.edu
Stanford, CA 94305          |         m.hennecke@ieee.org

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:56:13 GMT
From: micah@hardy.u.washington.edu (Micah Anderson)
Subject: Beyond Cyberpunk Hypercard stack?

I am looking for the Beyond Cyberpunk hypercard stack which is listed in
an archie search at most mac ftp sites, but is not there... does anyone
know where I can get this (or has one I can get from them)?

Tanks in advance!

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:57:13 MDT
From: Bob_Bolt@itc.educ.ualberta.ca (Bob Bolt)
Subject: Color Startup Screens

Subject:   Color Startup Screens
I have created a color startup screen with SuperPaint and installed it into
the System Folder of my IIci. When the Mac first started up, the graphic was
displayed in full color. Since then, it seems to randomly display in either
black & white or in color. It doesn't make any difference what the Monitor
settings are (I leave it set to 256 colors). Does anyone have any idea why
this is happening?

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:03 GMT
From: Simon Shum <SJS2@VAXB.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject: DeskWriter drivers 3.1 & MacDraw Pro going s l o w

I've had someone report to me that the DW 3.1 drivers are going painfully
slow (half an hour) and taking large chunks of memory (11M) to print from
MacDraw Pro.

Is this a known problem?  Has anyone else had similar experiences?
(Turning off background printing doesn't seem to do much).

Thanks,

Simon Shum

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:24:56 PDT
From: Rob MacDuff <macduff@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: EMAC 88R removable drive

Although I am very happy with this drive (an excellent way to handle
backups), I am having some problems using it with my Quadra. Interestingly
enough I can write to the drive but I cannot read from it in Quadra mode
but with the cache turned off it works very well. I talked to the EMAC tech
people and got absolutely no where. But they did recommend that I go
elsewhere for a new driver.
Question: Does anyone have a driver for a SyQuest 88 meg cartridge
mechanism that will work with a Quadra that you would be willing to share?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

reply to:
macduff@unixg.ubc.ca

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:29:48 +0100
From: Francois Felix Ingrand <felix@idefix.laas.fr>
Subject: family tree (genealogical) software

I am looking for a software (preferably freeware or shareware) to build a
genealogical tree... I am pretty sure there use to be one on Sumex... But I
cannot find it.

Please reply by e-mail.
--
			Felix

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Date: 29 Sep 1992 09:22:57 -0500 (EST)
From: ZIBERT%SIENA.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #234

Can anyone help me...How can I download one of these Info-Mac files? I am on a
Bitnet node, and I don't believe we have access to ftp. Pardon me if this is
ver
   y
basic, as I am an experienced telecommunications person, but new to the
network
scene. Any help appreciated!

Thanks,
Jack Zibert
Zibert@Siena.Bitnet

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:12:54 GMT
From: ogd@selway.umt.edu (ozymandias G desiderata)
Subject: Info wanted on Personal LaserWriter NTR and similar printers...

	I hope I'm not posting this to the entire newsgroup. You will
(hopefully) excuse me for any goofups. I'm new to posting to this list
>From a newsgroup.
	ANYWAY, I'm looking for whatever information any of you might
have on the LaserWriter NTR. How easy is it to change the toner
cartridge? How often must I do so? How much does the printer cost on
the street? etc...
	I'm aware that I might be asking a FAQ, so if any of you have
previous correspondence on this, forward it over.
	Also, are there any comparable printers (PostScript Level 2,
~4 ppm, compact design) out there? Is there anything better for
cheaper (thought I'd ask).
	Sorry my query is so fractured; it's been a long couple of
days.
	I would be grateful if replies were sent directly to me, and
not to the digest, as it is a royal pain to try to read an unburst
digest from trn (does anybody know how I could forward the file to my
mailer, so I could burst it?), so I have not been reading info-mac as
much as in the past.

Much thanks in advance,
ozymandias G desiderata
(ogd@selway.umt.edu)

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:06:20 EDT
From: "Dieder B." <UGU00266@vm.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Interrupt Sequences (again)

Seeing the newly discovered trick of the interrupt key and what to type
when you get the '>' box...I'm not sure, but correct me if this is
what you're supposed to type.

SM 0 A9F4           not SM 0 APF4 -- P/9 typo probably --

Then after that,

G 0

spaces as indicated.

or, if you're in multifinder, try
G FINDER

or get MacsBug and 'es' to the finder.

Now if Apple only got the interrupt sequence right in the HARDWARE of the IIsi
(i.e. no built-in 'interrupt' key DESPITE the manual's claims otherwise...
I have Programmer's key so that ain't no problem no more ;-) )

guess Apple's falible after all.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:40:05 -0400
From: Minh Do <do-minh@CS.YALE.EDU>
Subject: LaserWriter IIsc on appletalk

Is the IIsc capable of printing in the background?  There is a program
called stylewriter on appletalk.  Is there anything that would let me do the
same on a LW IIsc?

I just have 2 computers connected for a network.  One is a PowerBook, and the
other is a MacPlus.  The Plus is running 6.08 and the PB is running system 7

Therefore, only the PB can share its disk. (or is there a way to let the Plus
share files).  The LaserWriter is physically connected to the Plus.  I would
like to be able to print from the powerbook.

Thanks in advance.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:51:02 CDT
From: cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu (The DarkMage)
Subject: MacTCP 1.1.1

Where can we acquire the new version of MacTCP?  Without reopening
the book on licensing, if it comes free with Eudora (which we use),
where can we get the new version?  Or are we not entitled to it
by virtue of using Eudora?


--
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:34:17 GMT
From: marcus@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Subject: MIDI on Apple PowerBooks

A good friend of mine has asked me to put out feelers on the 'net about the
suitability of Apple's PowerBook for MIDI work. A friend and work colleague
of his is buying a Quadra 950 (he produces Right Said Fred so he's loaded!)
so my friend is now interested in moving up to the Macintosh.

My understanding is that MIDI is broken on all but the low end PowerBook100.
However, I wasn't sure whether this was only with programs that ignore Apple's
Midi Manager.

He is particularly interested in using Cubase as this is what he has used
previously on his Atari ST.

Any advice gratefully received.

Marcus Harvey, University of Westminster IRS
JANET: marcus@uk.ac.westminster
INTERNET: marcus%westminster.ac.uk@ukacrl

							  ...Bubble Up!

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 17:29 BST
From: bcek1@cus.cam.ac.uk (B.C.E. Khoo)
Subject: Mystery file format

Dear all,

I have recently received a file... it looks like this:

begin 644 CompressedFile%2ePKG
M``46```"``````````````````````````0````#````2@```!(````)````
M7````!`````!````;```""4````"```(D0````!#;VUP<F5S<V5D1FEL92Y0
M2T=(0E-&1T5/3````````````0$```````````````````2#```"W````,8`
M``.B5$585$=%3TP!`````````!M!8F]U="!"86-K;&EG:'0@0V]N=')O;"`Q
M+C``````IB0DOZ;)-.<```7X```$38```````0````````````$`````````
M``2#```"W````,8```.B5$585$=%3TP!`````````!M!8F]U="!"86-K;&EG
M:'0@0V]N=')O;"`Q+C``````IB0DOZ;)-.<```7X```$38``0L*,6<,FS1DT
M=$`,>>.&CIPW;$#8*2-G3AJ&(&*X@-&@@16*%C%JA`%B#)HP;LZ4F0,BC)PR
M(!BRR0."#AJ8$RM>=`/"39TV8BBV=$,&1)HQ#.>XZ/A1I\B-86:T)$.&99LW
M=>;`'%-P(`@R9>B4&4-GY]"B<]!@95/TSALY:V+R#,,F8L"!!>DT@/.63A@Q

...

end

My question is, what format is it in, and how do I decode it? I have already
tried BinHex 4.0 and 5.0 but they do not recognise it.

Please e-mail me with answers. Thanks in advance.

Bernard Khoo. Wellcome/CRC Institute, Cambridge, UK.
BCEK1@cus.cam.ac.uk or @phx.cam.ac.uk

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:45 GMT
From: STCH8002%IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: New Authorware listserv

You write:
<<To subscribe to Aware-L send the following command to
listserv at UKANVM.bitnet via mail text.

SUBSCRIBE Aware-L@UKANVM.Bitnet   Your_full_name>>
I did - and was told that there is no such beast @UKANVM. What now?
With best regards,
Fergus Lalor.
========================================================
Fergus J. Lalor, Department of Chemistry
University College, Cork, Ireland.
STCH8002@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:59:01 CDT
From: PULLMANN@TRINITY.EDU
Subject: Plus that won't wait for hard disk

I was the original poster of the question about the accelerated Plus
that starts up too fast for the external HD to keep up.

I'd like to thank Russ Arcuri (do I have your name right?) and the
person at Simon Fraser University (I'm sorry, I didn't get a name
>From your posting) for their suggestions about ways to get around
this.  Russ' idea to set the SCSI ID on the disk to 0 sounds like
it ought to do the trick. We'll change the number today and let
you know if it works in a few days.

Thanks again,
		Pat

Pat Ullmann  PULLMANN@VM1.TUCC.TRINITY.EDU or PULLMANN@TRINITY (BITNET)

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Date: 29 Sep 92 08:16:40 U
From: "Tom Scott" <tom_scott@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu>
Subject: Problems with using Updater

     Problems with using Updaters (A)
rjms@scripps.edu (Russell Mortishire-Smith) sez:

>I'm banging my head against a pile of hot floppies at the moment. I've
>been trying to install Apple Remote Access off the Installer disk. No
>joy, every time I try, I get a system crash with a Type I error, which
>usually indicates some kind of incompatibility. I'm installing with all
>extensions off on a tuned System 7. I even went back to try a customized
>install of other software from my System 7 masters, and got the same
>message.
Something is obviously wrong somewhere, but I can't spot what it >is.

>Any ideas, anyone?

My response:

Check to see if you have any old Installers on your hard drive.  I remember
reading once about problems occurring if this was the case.  I guess if you
click on an Installer script from a floppy, it goes through a normal search
pattern: looking on the boot drive first, then the drive the script is
launched
from, and then any other mounted (server) drives.

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:50:16 EDT
From: dom manno <V1723G%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: QuarkXPRess

WARNING: 100% chance of flamethrower activity in the following posting!

We run a lab here with 16 Mac Pluses on a network, using QuarkXPress
(currently
v3.0) for page layout. We have about 30 copies.
Last year, when it came time to upgrade to 3.1, we did so, only to find out
it will not run on a locked disk.
Quark now tells us that they expect users to have a local hard disk for each
user, and that each user will have full write access to the program.
This is ludicrous. It shows a stubborn unwillingness to acknowledge the
realities of life in an academic computing lab. It should be obvious why we
can
not allow each user to have full access. (The local hard disk won't be a
problem when we purchase new Macs later this academic year.)
It's also incredibly shortsighted on the part of Quark. A number of people are
being introduced to Quark through academic use, people who may later have
the power to buy such software. I know that within the next year I will be
buying a page-layout program to produce a newsletter. Because of my
experience here with Quark, that will more than likely be the program I will
buy. If our lab and others like it switch to other programs like Pagemaker,
what has Quark achieved by its decisions?
To further aggravate things, they refuse to help us work around this problem.
They also tell us that when Quark for Windows comes out, the same setup will
be required. We also have a PC lab here. Will we be buying Quark for Windows
for that lab? NO WAY!
In effect, Quark is violating our agreement with them. They have sold us a
program that we can not use in our lab.
OK, flame off.
    If anybody has any ideas on how we can circumvent this problem, we'd be
very grateful if they'd pass them on. Thanx.

Dom Manno
Journalism Graphics Lab, Temple University
<v1723g@vm.temple.edu>

DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed herein are my own and do not represent
those
of my supervisor, this lab, Temple University, or major league baseball.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92  20:34 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: QuickTime crashes

I often (once a week?) experience errors/crashes when working with
QuickTime PICTs.  Perhaps it has even happened with movies but I can't say
for sure.  What typically happens is that I get dropped into Macsbug at
a routine/place called "Jackson".  Does anybody have idea what this does and
why my machine seems to be crashing there?  Only today for instance I was
viewing a QT-PICT and I suddenly dropped into Macsbug at Jackson with an
error of type 25.
And while we're at it, does anyone know what the forthcoming QuickTime 1.5
is going to offer that 1.0 didn't have?

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:08:11 -0500
From: arc@judy.indstate.edu (Arc Wave)
Subject: SuitCase II problems

I am wanting a program to act like SuitCase II, so I do not need to purchase
this software.  All I want is the font suitcase option.  It gets anonying to
have all the fonts in RAM...I want them in a folder, and still be able to
use them.

Please respond to my EMAIL address:
arc@judy.indstate.edu
or
arcardw@indsvax1.indstate.edu

...Thanks in advance!

Paul.
Note: I am running System 7.

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Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:27:31 GMT
From: pford@bcm.tmc.edu (Patrick V. Ford)
Subject: SUMEX CDROM

When the SUMEX CDROM becomes available, will there be a volume discount
for Apple User Groups. If so, whom should I have my local librarian
contact regarding pricing information.

Thx

Patrick Ford
Baylor College of Medicine
pford@bcm.tmc.edu

[The person to ask about the CDROM is miller@defun.cs.utah.edu (Cliff
Miller).
 I think he may be away until October 10, though. -Bill]

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:15 GMT
From: Simon Shum <SJS2@VAXB.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject: System 7.1 - check out the windows...

As the sparks fly over the fact that System 7.1 is going to actually cost
something, I should like to know whether Apple have given due to consideration
to the *real* issue at stake here - are they going to correct the confused
window icons for zoom-box and size-box? - which, as enlightened users of a
well
engineered user interface, I'm sure you'll all agree are the wrong way round.

Whilst clicking on the zoom-box might change a window's size in the way the
icon
depicts, there's no way the size-box changes a window in the manner
indicated.
Basically, they depict *each others* results.  So much for user interface
graphic design... :-)

Simon Shum
Human-Computer Interaction Group, U. York, UK

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:49 EST
From: Carlo Fusco <G1400023@NICKEL.LAURENTIAN.CA>
Subject: System 7 Additions

Hello,

Being very new to system 7 (a week now) I would like to know what the
favourite software additions to the system are. I will post a list of
everyone's favorite extensions, cp's, cdev's, etc.

In the past I have ignored all items in the digest dealing with sys 7,
now that I am finally here I would like to know how to enhance it and
make it more personal.

Thanks
Carlo Fusco
g1400023@nickel.laurentian.ca

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Date: 29 Sep 1992 15:16:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ron Crans <RCRANS%COLGATEU.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: System 7 working directory (mis)behavior ...

OK ... The time has come ... I can't stand it any longer!

I once thought, "OK .. System 7 doesn't behave very well (and has departed
from
the pre-System 7 behavior) when it comes to the working directory.  But I'm
sure there must be a simple solution and, sooner or later, I'll come across
it."  NOT!!

The first get/put file dialog you get after launching an application by
clicking its document (that you have nicely isolated in an appropriate folder)
starts you out at the application folder.  For the user that doesn't pay
attention, this means they may 'Save as...' into the application folder rather
than the folder where they were working.  The same holds true for AppleMenu
items.  You end up having to traverse half your volume everytime you'ld like
to
take a quick hex peek at a file in the current folder!

I haven't seen ANY mention of this departure in behavior by either explaining
the necessity for it or by discussing guidelines for new applications to
follow
in order to regain an intuitive behavior.

Any words of wisdom? (please)

BITNET : RCRANS@COLGATEU.BITNET
INTERNET : RCRANS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU

[This idiocy occurs when applications are updated to accept high-level
 events (AppleEvents). I wish they would fix it, as it is most
 inconvenient and confusing that different applications have
 different behavior. Maybe in 7.1? -Bill]

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:29:24 CDT
From: cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu (The DarkMage)
Subject: The Macintosh "Little People"

Greetings:

     This is in response to Brian Korver's post in #232 about the fact that
most users are not cutting edge types.  In fact, scarecely does the topic of
software development for the Mac come up without someone going "Well, gee,
over 137% of Mac users are still using a Mac Plus or lower with 1 Meg of
memory and a 20MB hard drive!"  Whether or not this is true, so what?  It
may very well be true that such people don't need or want the power of
System 7.x and can't use it anyway, but that's exactly the point.  They aren't
going to get a new system whether it costs money or not.  They're not going
to upgrade to new versions of software. They're not going to generate any
revenue for anybody!

     Now before you get your nose out of joint and go "HEY!  *I'M* still
running that setup over a 300 baud modem, but I want System 8.2 for free
right now!", consider this:  the mere fact that you're reading this means
that you're light years ahead of our mysterious Mac user out there.  It's
not a problem that new versions are too memory/space/processor hungry to
support these people - they don't want it anyway and they're not going to
buy any software that needs it.  If they ARE buying such software, they
probably ought to be upgrading their hardware anyway.  I'm not saying that
Apple and its developers should only support the systems-level Macheads who
could probably WRITE Word 5 given time and who regularly dissect Motorola
assembly code.  I'm just saying that the "vast majority" of Mac Users on
their outdated equipment don't represent a large segment of the BUYING Mac
users.  Why break your neck and give up features to support people who don't
want them anyway?


--
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:25:04 PDT
From: Rob MacDuff <macduff@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Two monitors, one screen

I am doing work on my doctorate and I would like to be able to present the
same information on two different monitors. The Mac when handling two
monitors allows you to align them side-by-side or one above the other. It
does not allow overlapping.
Is it possible (using resedit) to change a few parameters in the system
software and allow overlapping to occur? Any other solutions would also be
appreciated. I already have two 13" monitors, apple's 8-24 bit card, a Mac
IIci, etc.
I would appreciate any assistance with this minor problem.
Thanks
Rob.

reply to: macduff@unixg.ubc.ca

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:19:24 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Uninteruptable Power Supply

Someone I know bought an Uninteruptable Power Supply to go with his
new IIci. The UPS is giving error messages indicating that if he still
uses the power, they will not guarantee the equipment its supposed to
protect. Apparently, the power in the building fluctuates quite a bit.
Should he go ahead and use the IIci anyway? His alternative is to let it
sit in the box unused. Cooments? Pete Tamas
Gnome@TempleVM.bitnet, Temple Univ, Philadelphia(betw New York & Wash DC)

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:37:15 BST
From: John McKinley <jdm16@phx.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: User name in print dialog - I wish (R)

About two weeks ago I wrote:

>method for doing so. On the other hand, wouldn't it be great if there was an
>editable text field in the Print ... dialog box for the name to be printed on
>the cover page? The name would default to the whatever has been specified in

Now firstly I mistakenly talked about the Machine Name rather than the Owner
Name, for which I apologise. I recieved three replies, two of which mentioned
LaserUser, which puts up a dialog box _after_ the Print ... dialog, requesting
the Owner Name. This seems to me to be quite neat. One person said that
unfortunately LaserUser was not compatible with MacDraw II 1.1, whereby
MacDraw
loses some objects temporarily while LaserUser is running. Someone offered to
post LaserUser to Info-Mac, since it's shareware, so I'll look out for it
there. This should help the third person who mailed me, too. Thanks all
three.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:30:48 PDT
From: Les Ferch <ferch@ucs.ubc.ca>
Subject: Zapping PRAM (Q)

>I have a Mac+ that has its serial port scrambled.  I seem to remember that
>zapping PRAM will cure the problem by resetting all of the computer's
>values to the default values, but I can't remember or find the key
combination
>to zap PRAM.  Would someone be so kind as to tell me what it is?

On a Mac Plus, you zap the PRAM by removing the battery (easily accessible
via a small panel on the back of the Mac). Be sure to reinstall the
battery in the proper orientation (the positive and negative ends look
pretty much the same).

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:10:08 -0400
From: news@TC.Cornell.EDU

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