From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Who really suffers
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:26:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


In article <1992Oct10.022247.117@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:
>
>In article <Bvv2FF.IBC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
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>>A Turkish Cypriot === member of a community of 120,000 (before 1974 that is)
>>who suffered under the torture of a community of ~~~550,000 
>>
>It takes two for a fight, Besime. We talked a lot about this. There have been

Yeah, it takes at least 4 against 1 to suppress a smaller community. i.e. 
4 Greek Cypriots against 1 Turkish Cypriot 
( That would be the minimum ratio if you take the numbers 550,000:120,000)

+ all the forces and power of the Republic of Cyprus on the Greek Cypriot side 

>attrocities from both sides. In my oppinion it's the English who are to be
>blamed (Direct application of "Divide and Conquer"). 
>But here is how I see both sides:
>
>Turkish Cypriots : The community of 18% of the population of Cyprus, who had 
>30% of government, and 40% of the police force. They were
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which you attempted to take away later. 

If you were not going to obey the arrangement, why did your dear priest 
Makarios sign it in the first place ? 


>misleaded by Turkey and prefered to live under third world standards. As an 
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Yeah, use economics as a tool, but believe me our prides and security are
way more important than any of that.

Since 1960, you have used all the resources of the Republic of Cyprus and  
enjoyed the help of other nations while we had to stand on our feet only 
with the help of Turkey. Our situation is actually decently well considering
all the troubles the Greek Cypriot administration tried to cause to us since
1974.

and by the way, the problems in Cyprus are MUCH MORE THAN ECONOMICS AND MONEY. 

Unless there is committment from your side to go down and solve the
deeper problems between the two communities, don't expect any solution in
Cyprus.


>Italian reporter put it recently:

>
>" Passing from the Turkish sector to the Republic of Cyprus at Ledra Palace 
>hotel is like flying from Jordan to Luxembourg."

There is an implication of religion here, another reason why you enjoy more
support than we do. 

The Turkish population in North Cyprus are moslems and we have no intention
of giving up on our religion because it's a significant part of our heritage.

If that Italian reporter says that more power to him, I am proud that my
country looks more like Jordan than Luxembourg.  

In the economical sense, we will be and we are working to improve conditions,but
in the cultural sense I don't see any problem in looking like Jordan. 


>
>Greek Cypriots : The overwhelming majority of 80% of the population of Cyprus,
>who struggled for "Enosis" (Union) with Greece, but they gave them an
>Independent state instead. The people who tried to build this state (along with
>Turkish Cypriots), but Turkey torn it apart(1). The people who re-built the
>Rebublic of Cyprus, basically from nothing. The people who made Cyprus a
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with the help of many economic organizations in the world under the fake
name of "Republic of Cyprus". 

>country with one of the best standards of living in the world, so everybody
>talks about an economic miracle in Cyprus. 
>

You sure like boasting, don't you ? 
I guess it's inherent in the Greek heritage. 

>Once again Besime, I'm saying all these with good will. I know that both our
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Peh!!! Remembering all your previous articles, I don't see any good will 
in you. 

>communities can live together peacefully. The target that the current president
>of Cyprus put " make Cyprus the Swiss of the Meditteranean " can be reached.

The Turkish Cypriots will be there to cheer ONLY IF the human aspects of the
Cyprus problem are solved and we are treated equal otherwise your current
president is going to have to make the south 100-37=64% of the island the
"Swiss of the Meditteranean"

>
>Regards,
>Theodore David.
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P.S Your approach to the problem sucks,Theodore. You think by boasting "Oh!
    Cyprus is 80% Greek, we will make Cyprus the "Switzerland of the 
    Mediterranean", you will get me to say "Oh sure, you are so right,
    let's agree". As I said before there is lot more to it than that, unless
    understanding is perpetuated between the two communities, unless you start
    seeing the Turkish Cypriots an equal status community and respecting them 
    and perpetuating "Cyprus for the Cypriots" not "Cyprus is Greek", you will
    not see a real solution to the problem. Even if we are forced together, by
    outside forces, economic reasons etc., ethnic fights will escalate, 
    blood will be shed again, SO make the effort to give up this "I am Greek,
    I am rich, I am better" attitude and let's start saying "We are all 
    equal, we are all Cypriots, we are willing to work together to build a 
    better Cyprus" attitude.     
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