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From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Allergies from hay
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:09:38 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

My folks in Missouri have an Appy mare and a QH gelding, both are in the 10-15
yr range.  The problem is that whenever winter comes around or they need to be
fed hay, they start wheezing (the horses, not my parents).  The vet has
determined it is some kind of allergy, probably from the hay, but possibly from
the barn.  They are allowed to run in and out of a tramp shed whenever they
want.  Season doesn't seem to make any difference.  The first time I heard the
gelding, I was really worried and couldn't figure out why they hadn't called
the vet already.  Anyway, they are getting anti-histamines now which seem to
help, but I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience with this before. 
They had the problem last year, and we changed hay fields this year, so the hay
is from a different field, but it seems that whenever they start eating hay
they get allergies.  These are small square bales, and there doesn't seem to be
any mold or anything like that on them.  We've had horses on this farm for 15+
years and never had anything like this before.

Any ideas what this could be?

Thanks,
Alan
alanmoore@mu.cc.earlham.edu
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse doesn't like to be groomed
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:11:54 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: wrat@unisql.UUCP's message of 23 Nov 92 15:48:48 GMT

In article <4252@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

	   Hi, y'all.  I'm a novice rider who pays for his lessons by
   working around the stables.  One of the things I do is groom and tack
   up.  There's this horse, Dollar, who doesn't like to be groomed.  When 
   I try to brush or curry him, he lays his ears back and tosses his head
   and his skin moves like there's flies on him.  I've tried all different
   curries and brushes, too.  I can usually get one side of him done 
   before he decides he's had enough and starts running away.

	   I'm not the only one who has trouble with this horse.  He
   apparently doesn't like to be handled at all.  I've been told just don't
   bother with Dollar and someone else will see to him, but I've decided
   to make this my Personal Challenge :-) so my question is:

	   What could I do to get this horse to trust me enough to
   groom him, or make the experience more tolerable to him?  I've tried
   bribing him with carrots...

Many horses have very sensitive skin, and simply can't tolerate the
standard brushes used in the obvious manner.  First of all, check
whether your tools and/or technique are causing a problem---use the
brushes on yourself, on a tender area of skin like your throat or the
inside of your arm, using the same motions you would use on the horse.
Now, choose brushes and motions that don't make you wince, and use those
on Dollar.  Or discard the brushes completely, and groom him slowly
and gently with just a soft rag.

It might be useful to learn some of the TTEAM "massage" techniques,
i.e. ways of manipulating a horse's hide to make him feel good, as a
way of convincing him that being touched doesn't have to hurt.  (This
is also good advice for the other poster, with the ear-shy horse.)

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: arthritis
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:52:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov15.155215.7016
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BxIqF0.DBK@inews.Intel.COM> jsnyder@cadev6.UUCP (Sallijan Snyder ) writes:
>Flex-Free this summer to slow joint deterioration, and I intend to start 
>using bute on days I work her this winter.  This mare is so willing to 
>"go" that it's easy to dismiss the more subtle signs of discomfort, and 
>her regular rider tends to miss the subtleties (or maybe I'm overly protective).

I'm curious what Flex-Free is: a drug or?  How does it work?

Also, I'm not sure using bute is a good idea.  You already say it is
easy to miss the signs of the mares discomfort.  If you give her bute,
it will lessen her discomfort, but if you work her while she is on
the drug, it will be probably impossible to tell when you are
stressing her joints too much.  If you meant giving her bute *after*
the workout to reduce any possible swelling and left-over discomfort,
I think that might work out well.

Kristin
-- 
wcollins@netcom.netcom.com  < Walt Collins / Kristin Harvey >
1011 New Hope St., #12-C  |  Norristown, PA  19401  |  (215)277-2567
From: shonette@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Shonette Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: The Black Stallion (was Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw)
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:53:26 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <92322.29954.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Speaking of Walter Farley and the Black Stallion books, has anyone else
>ever wondered how the heck they got an Arabian Stallion in the Kentucky
>Derby? ;-) Aw, artistic license. Of course, I think Walter was only 17
>when he wrote his first book in the late 30's. Great stuff though!
>
>Diane & Spring & Dancer

Ha!  Not only that he was Arabian, but also that he didn't have
any papers (they had to have been lost on the shipwreck because
I didn't see/read Alex ever having them).  Now I wonder how they
registered/raced his foals...!  :-)

Shonette Rogers
  and Miss Lady Linton

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:12:14 GMT

In article <9765@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:
>Can you tell me where in Florida these three threaters where?  Also
>someone else wrote to say that there was one in New Jersey.  Where
>is that at?  Living on the east coast (Virginia) either of these
>would make a nice "long weekend" kind of vacation.  (With three
>horses and a pony, that's the only kind of vacation we can afford!!!!)
>
>Thanks,
>Marian
>

Here is how to get to Medieval Times in NJ:
 
Take NJ turnpike to 16 W.
Take 3 West west then take 17 south to Lyndhurst exit  
Go around ramp to rirst light.
At first light turn left and then they are located straight ahead on the
right.


You should call first for reservations. Also, be on the lookout for
coupons.  I have NO idea where these coupons can be found but the
lady who took my money seemed surprised that we didn't have them :-)

Medieval Times 1 201 933 2220

Have fun!!


--
Rudy Vener uucp: att!mtqua!rudy  internet: rudy@mtqua.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: UPDATE...!  :*)
Followup-To: Question...
Summary: IT WORKED!!!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:04:58 GMT

I took Hank to a schooling show this past Saturday, and, sure
enough, after the first class, he started anticipating calls
and listening to the announcer.

I'd had enough.  I told myself months ago I always wanted shows
to be a positive experience for Hank, because he really enjoyed
going to shows and being there, getting petted and loved and oooo'd
and aaaa'd over, but this was the final straw.  So many of you out
there gave me the confidence to take a chance and really nail him.
IT WORKED!!!  He got pretty upset in the class I schooled him in,
but we did opposites of what was being asked.  He was confused for
about half of the class, but then it dawned on him what was going
on, and the next 2 classes I didn't need to get after him ONCE!  He
waited for me at every gate change, even at the reverse!!!  I can't
believe it only took the one class, and he wasn't even pissy after
wards!  He acted like I had not even gotten after him!  His attitude
was still happy and upbeat, and it's like he knew I had a good reason
to get after him, and now that I did and he understood why, life is
back to normal.  He's really matured in the last 6 months.  I'm soooo
proud of him!

And, the clincher was that the judge came up to me after the next
2 classes and said "Getting after him made all the difference in
the world, didn't it?!"  WOW!

Anyway, we only showed English and obviously we ended on a positive
note for the day!  When I put him in the trailer to go home, he
screamed...he never talks or screams in the trailer...what's wrong,
I thought...OF COURSE!!!  We show Western in the afternoon, and
he was trying to tell me our day wasn't over yet, and why did I put
him back in the trailer and why are we going home when we aren't
finished yet!!!  Silly boy!

Like I said, he really enjoys "going for a ride" and "showing off".
Our Dressage lesson (number 3 with this trainer, number 6 overall)
went very well Monday night.  I can't wait until the IBIS series
next spring when I can really see and feel the difference in our
Dressage rides and scores!  :*)

Open show on December 5th, Hunter/Jumper show sometime in the next
2 months, Dressage/Jumping/Open shows in Spanaway and Maple Valley,
Washington sometime during the spring.  I'll keep everyone posted,
as usual.  :*)  :*)

Megan, Larry her Fiance, Clyde his Black Lab, Edgar her Black Cat,
and High Action Hank, APHA, her WONDER HORSE!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kcarver@dante.nmsu.edu (Kenneth Carver)
Subject: Re: Heaves (was: Feeding Old Horses)(LONG)
Summary: hay is the biggest culprit, but oats may be involved too
Keywords: heaves, hay, oats
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:09:05 GMT

In article <15240078@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh) writes:

>Don't know much about heaves, but I'm curious. The above statements would 
>seem to imply that in many cases heaves is caused by an allergy to oats????
>I've heard that heaves is allergy related, but are oats usually the
>problem? Did Shane's allergy test come back positive for oats?

Hay is the usual causative factor, but oats and the dust that
accompanies them can aggrevate the heavey horse.  Respond is a moist
feed with no dust.  As for Shane, I can't recall the results of his
allergy test, but I don't believe he was sensitive to oats.  The test
may not have even included it.  The fact that the special feeds are
formulated without oats suggests that oats should be avoided.

--Ken Carver
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Menzuki waza - Head butting.
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:08:00 +0000



There was a very good article about head butting in John Cheetham's
Shotokan Magazine (number xx) by Steve Hyland, who has worked in
"security" for about 15 years and really knows how to use this technique.
He demonstrated it to me but butting me in the chest (one of his favourite
tricks!) and it dropped me! He uses his neck shoulders and chest at
great speed and power.


Warning - smashing your head against anything hard is a sure way to
say goodbye to a good number of brain cells! Don't do it, unless you
really have to.


(True story...)
I remember a clip on TV about 10 years ago where a girl was going to 
break a paving stone with her head! The presenter was not convinced that
it was a good idea, but asked her to go ahead anyway... She smashed her
head against the slab, it remained intact. her head stayed against the
slab, shaking slightly as she controlled the pain. Slowly she sat upright,
a huge bruise and lump appearing on her head, insisting that she was
alright and that she could still do it! The presenter tried to stop her
but she couldn't give in, not with all of those millions of people watching.
She prepared again and with an almighty thump smashed her head against
the impassive stone. Her head trembled again as the stone refused to 
budge. She sat up again clearly in a great deal of pain and now looking
somewhat like a unicorn! The presenter quickly cut to the weather man!


Moral of the story - Don't be bloody stupid!


Bill Burgar.
From: wrankin@ee.egr.duke.edu (William T. Rankin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The art of head-butting!
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:00:45 GMT
Organization: Duke University EE Dept.; Durham, NC
Originator: wrankin@ee.egr.duke.edu



Well, heavy personal opinion, but if you *really* wanna know which part
of your head to hit something/body with, talk to a decent soccer (football
for the UK contingent) player.


they'll know.  believe me.

-bill
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: What are the purposes of Forms ?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:59:44 GMT
Organization: University of Utah

In article <BxytnD.JrL@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> phd07@keele.ac.uk (H.C. Patel) writes:


   Hi!,
	    I have not been reading this group regularly. 
   So apologies if this question has been discussed before. 
	   Basically, I want to know what are the purposes of forms ?. 
   I do not see why there is so much emphasis on them. How can it help someones
   ability as a martial artist ?. Finally, how should one perform a form ?.
   That is, do you picture an oponent in front of you while performing ?.

Oh, what the heck.  I'll take a stab at it.

As I see it, kata (forms) fill three basic needs:

1. Kata act as a repository of information.  The collection of
techniques in a form represent a summary of the teachings of the
founder(s) of the style.  In a sense, kata can be thought of as a
catalog of the art.  Kata are something that can stay more or less
fixed through successive generations of teachers, thus maintaining
continuity in the style.

2. Kata teach "basic forms."  As human beings, we can only bend in
certain ways, we can only achieve good balance in certain positions,
and we can only generate speed and power from certain movements.  Kata
help us ingrain these basic types of movement into our reflexes.

3. Kata act as a self-teaching tool.  Because our opponents are
imaginary (in many empty-handed styles) we are forced to imagine the
possible applications of each technique.  This helps us understand
what we are trying to accomplish, and helps us learn to use our minds
to train our bodies.

Perhaps I should mention that there is a major difference between
Kendo kata and Karate kata: Kendo kata are done with a partner.  This
forces the Kendo student to accept one single interpretation of the
purpose of each technique, because each technique is directly applied
to a real opponent.  On the other hand, having a real partner allows
the Kendo student to explore the realm of timing more thoroughly,
since imaginary opponents tend to attack us only when we're ready.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: westreic@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Navy SEALs and Jeet Kune Do
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:15:40 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

In article <1992Nov17.233308.1@novax.llnl.gov> urbina@novax.llnl.gov writes:
>
>
>I was reading in an old issue of IKF that Paul Vunak is exclusively training
>Navy SEALs in his system of Jeet Kune Do. I was wondering if anybody else on
>this newsgroup knows what other Specforces groups train in other martial arts
>styles. When I was in the Navy I tried to start a martial arts conversation 
>with a SEAL but he said his training is classified. That was about 4 years ago
>I don't know what new training is going on now.
>
>Guy
>Urbina@novax.llnl.gov

RUMOR ON:

A group of seals regularly scheduled self-defense seminar weekend get-aways.
One weekend, they hired Paul Vunak, who turned this opportunity as Media
Event. Some of the under-cover/anti-terrorist types there weren't
too happy about having their pictures spread all over the country.
Anyway, this was a group of SEALS who hired Paul Vunak, among other
teachers, privately. This was not officially connected with the SEALS
in any way.

...at least that is the rumor that I heard.


-- 

-Eric Westreich                                       Jeet Kune Do
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil                             KC6IMI
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: The art of head-butting!
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:48:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.153513.22300@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
<
<	Actually, I used to get drunk and headbutt my buddies and other
<suitably soft objects. It's fun so long as you don't do it too hard, or the
<wrong way.

Hey, you were alot smarter than I was.  I used to get drunk and headbutt
hard wooden doors and elevator walls.  After reading Peter Boucher's
posting on the negative impact of headbutting, perhaps it's time for
a cat scan.

Another stupid thing I used to do was to try to crush beer cans by 
ramming them into my forehead.  

Wow, I was alot more stupid than I is now  :-)

daN

PS.  A collective, "Ah, I see," can be heard from the rec.ma community :-)
From: pw2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter Jason Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Iron Palm Training
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:58:32 GMT
	<1992Nov14.045039.23503@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

To train the iron palm for speed, a practiomer also shoves them into hot
ash and withdrws them quickly.  Eventually, the student moves from ash
to gravel, to stones, etc.  This speed, in addition to the hardness
generated by other exercises is lethal...
                                                   Peter Ward
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Fight Strategy in Escrima
Organization: just me
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:07:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

Welcome back, Khan!
From: ensrit@gdr.bath.ac.uk (R I Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tae Kwon Do, getting a Black Belt, etc...
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:04:20 GMT
Organization: School of Mechanical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, gbaker@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg baker) writes:
>- 
>In my school we have a black stripe between red belt and 1st dan. We 
>also have stripes between every belt, green stripe, blue stripe, 
>etc..(I've seen schools use a yellow stripe as well.) Some schools use 
>1-3 stripes depending on the marks received at the testing. 

We used to have 2 yellow tags, 2 green tags, 1 blue, 1 red, 1 black.
Silly eh?

Anyway, onto my particular `problem'.

I have been training for 5 years with a WTF club and reached 1st kup
about six months ago. I've just moved here to the University of Bath
where there is no University TKD club and `only' (no offence meant) an
ITF club in the town.

I've trained with the town club a couple of times and they seem a nice
enough crowd. The problem is that the instructor says that he isn't
allowed to recognise my grade and that if I want to start "training
properly" with them then I will have to take a white belt and drop into
the lower class (there are two groups: white to red belt and black tags
and black belts).

It's not the grade that bothers me, I don't care what colour my belt is
really, but the training I will get. I'm always willing to practice my
basics but I don't really want to `start again' for the sake of
learning a new set of patterns/forms (the only difference between me
and the rest of my current class as far as I can see).

What I'd really like to do is start my own club here at the University.
I've done a lot of teaching in the past (probably at the expense of my
own training, but that's another story) and really enjoyed it. I doubt
very much if I could pull that off without having a black-belt though...

Any suggestions?
--
   Richard
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Model Muggin article in New York Times
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:50:00 +0000

Michael D. Hirsch               mhirsch@cs.princeton.edu
>
>For those interested in reading about Model Mugging, there is fairly
>long article in the Metro section of today's (Wed, Nov. 11) New York
>Times.


Can anyone post the article? I can't get the NY Times easily here!


Bill Burgar.
From: UweKloss@lionbbs.escape.de ( Uwe Kloss )
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Organization: The Lion Town BBS, Brunswik, Germany
Subject: Re: Question: fumikomi (foot-stamping)
Reply-To: UweKloss@lionbbs.escape.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:10:20 MET

In <JON.92Nov18114303@zeus.med.utah.edu>, Jonathan Byrd writes:
>  Over time, I have polished my own fumikomi, and I think I
>finally have gained some understanding of the effect.  This has led me
>to an uncomfortable discovery: either my understanding of fumikomi is
>flawed, or most people time the stamping action improperly.
>
>  In my understanding, the stamping action is not done for its
>own end; it is simply a consequence of catching yourself from falling.
>As you launch yourself forward and shift your center of gravity, you
>immediately begin to fall at 9.8 meters per second squared.  Because
>your front foot is off the ground reaching forward, you simply free
>fall until your right foot lands with a stamping action, breaking your
>fall.

First I think the enhancement gravity can add to a blow is VERY small.
And it's coming up SLOW. Lean forward and observe how slow you begin
to fall!

And if you 'use' gravity this way to enhance your blow, you would be an
easy one to handle for everybody who manages to escape your first blow!

It's just what every aikidoka learnes to do.
Evade the blow and as long as uke is moving melt into this movement
enhance it and direct it. If at this very moment uke is not totally
in control of himself but 'controlled' by gravity, ... thank you! ;-)

Uwe

-- 
Eliminiere das Unmoegliche. Was immer uebrig bleibt, so
unwahrscheinlich es auch wirkt, muss die Wahrheit sein.
Aber was ist, wenn einmal NICHTS mehr uebrig bleibt?
   (nach: John Brunner - Mehr Dinge zwischen Himmel und Erde)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Uwe Kloss                   UUCP: UweKloss@lionbbs.escape.de
Fasanenstrasse 65           BTX:  0531336908 0001
3300 Braunschweig           FIDO: not connected
From: paananen@tuxedo.enet.dec.com (Ed Paananen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 10th Dan & Badass Karate Bullshit
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:31:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Nov18.040118.21022
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <!1D=_jB@engin.umich.edu>, ftit@dorking.engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes...
> 
>This may not qualify as old -- we're talking of a 40-50-abouts-year-
>old man -- but I have it on good authority that Ohshima Sensei, who is
>over 60, is still a stronger fighter than John Teramoto.  I'm not
>experienced enough to make any meaningful martial-artsy-type statements
>yet, but Mr. Ohshima did look pretty strong physically when he led a
>practice at another dojo a couple of months ago.
> 

Well... I can speak from personal experiance, Mr O is quite a formidable
opponent. :-) I have sustained many bruises by his hands with my full
diligence and effort to prevent him from doing so. His quiet unassuming
manner belies his strength and power. He has been for years and continues
to be a training role model, I hope that I am as good when I reach his age.

Ed Paananen	paananen@yamato.lkg.dec.com