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Subject:      CD-ROM World Optical Disc Product of the Year

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CD-ROM WORLD OPTICAL DISC PRODUCT OF THE YEAR
Call for Nominations
CD-ROM World, published by Meckler Corporation, is naming an
optical disc product of the year for the second time. Last year's
winner was Ethnic Newswatch. For this year's award, any consumer-
oriented optical disc product which was newly released or
substantially revised between March 1992 and March 1993 is eligible
for consideration.
The award will be based on exemplification of the following
qualities.
Innovation and unique features, especially those which go beyond
print capabilities
Success at satisfying the target audience
Value for cost
Orientation toward consumers
Uniqueness and value of data
The award will be presented at Computers in Libraries 1993, which
takes place in Washington DC on March 1-3. The award will also be
featured prominently in a future issue of CD-ROM World.
The deadline for nominations is February 8, 1993. Nomination forms
are available from award judge Pat Ensor, author of CD-ROM Research
Collections. The other judge will be noted CD-ROM authority Paul
Nicholls of the University of Western Ontario. Publishers who wish
to nominate a product should send a copy of the product to Pat
Ensor as soon as possible, if they will not be displaying the
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From: steve@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Steve E. Goldsmith)
Subject: UREP 3.5 BSC driver under SunOS 4.1.3?
Organization: University of Maine Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:01:02 GMT

Does anyone have the BSC drive working under SunOS4.1.3 for UREP 3.5?

I had some compile errors and hacked a bit of it to work real quick,
and well, it bombs the kernel now.

Just curious if anyone else has been down this road before.

thanks
/steve
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From:         John Vannoy <VANNOY@PEPVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Sending binary files via netcopy?

> Can someone tell me how to send a binary file (so it arrives in the
> same format it left in) via netcopy, under UREP 3.5?
> ...
> Malcolm L. Carlock                      Internet:  malc@unr.edu

Try "class=n" with netcopy.  At least that works when sending to
another user on the same node.  I seem to remember that a long
time ago (UREP 2.x ?) you'd get an extra byte stuck on the front
of the file when sending to another node.  I don't know if this
has been fixed.

And of course there's always uuencode/uudecode.

    John Vannoy
    Pepperdine University
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From:         William C Fenner <fenner@CS.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UREP 3.5 BSC driver under SunOS 4.1.3?
              07 Jan 93 11:01:02 EST."
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On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:01:02 -0500  "Steve E. Goldsmith" wrote:
> Does anyone have the BSC drive working under SunOS4.1.3 for UREP 3.5?

The UREP 4.0 bisync driver is supported under SunOS 4.1.x .  I have never
tested it under 4.1.3 (we don't have any machines running 4.1.3), but it
should work fine on any 4.1.x system.

Upgrade information was posted to the list in November, or send me email and
I will summarize.

  Bill Fenner
  UREP Support
  fenner@cs.psu.edu
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From:         JA Potter <J.A.Potter@LUT.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Definitions of rhetoric

It is interesting to see Garfinkel and ethnomethodology invoked
as part of this discussion of rhetoric.  A couple of comments on
this.

First, the so called fake therapist experiment worked by having
participants record their reactions to what they thought was a
trainee therapist giving yes/no responses to questions posed on
an intercom.  The point was to illustrate a number of methodical
ways in which people made sense of these (actually randomised)
responses.  For example, people constantly used their interpretations
of earlier responses to make sense of latter ones, and their
interpretations of latter responses to reconstruct the sense of
earlier ones.  The participants were constantly remaking what went on.

I think it is perhaps misleading to consider this to be about dealing
with error.  Rather than see error as being a simple or neutral fact
that people have to fashion some way of dealing with, Garfinkely I am
sure (almost sure!) would consider error itself to be a method that
people use: the error is not simply there it is done.

A good example of work illustrating this is Michael Lynch's book
Art and Artifact in Laboratory Science (Routledge, 1985).  The
point is that there is no way outside of the participants' interaction
to say what is error what not, so rather than look at situations of
error and see how people deal with it, you look at error accounting as
a phenomena in its own right.

For more rhetorical themes in ethnomethodology, one of the places to
look is Weider's Language and Social Reality (Mouton, 2nd ed in late
80s).  This looks at the use of the 'convict code' in a half way hostel.
Of particular interest are the ways that the convicts use the code to
effect courses of action.  For example, by specifying some action as
against the code a convict can accountably not do it: "I can't organize
a pool tournament, that would be kissing ass".

A number of people at Loughborough have recently found it very
interesting to combine ethnomethodological and rhetorical perspectives
(in a selective way).  See Billig's Arguing and Thinking (1987, CUP),
Edwards et al Ideological Dilemmas (1988, Sage), Edwards and Potter
Discursive Psychology (1992, Sage).

Jonathan Potter
Discourse and Rhetoric Group
Department of Social Sciences
Loughborough University
Loughborough
Leicestershire, LE11 3TU
UK
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From:         Richard B Freeman <jeanbob@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Definitions of rhetoric

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993, JA Potter wrote:

> First, the so called fake therapist experiment worked by having
> participants record their reactions to what they thought was a
> trainee therapist giving yes/no responses to questions posed on
> an intercom.  The point was to illustrate a number of methodical
> ways in which people made sense of these (actually randomised)
> responses.  For example, people constantly used their interpretations
> of earlier responses to make sense of latter ones, and their
> interpretations of latter responses to reconstruct the sense of
> earlier ones.  The participants were constantly remaking what went on.
>
> I think it is perhaps misleading to consider this to be about dealing
> with error.  Rather than see error as being a simple or neutral fact
> that people have to fashion some way of dealing with, Garfinkely I am
> sure (almost sure!) would consider error itself to be a method that
> people use: the error is not simply there it is done.

Jonathon, while I agree that the H.G. article was not strictly "about" how
people work with error, I think it can inform our concept of error. After
all, what is error?  I believe that an important aspect of error is
that a message or scenario...or even "dramaturgy"... does not make sense
to a competent member of the community. (Defending some "objective"
sociological definition of "error" isn't my point, but rather
"getting at" or unpacking "error" is what I'm after here.) This lack of
knowing...of making sense... is what took place in the
H.G. experiment. Subjects went on to try to make sense of the situation.
In this way, error was a method...and certainly "error is not simply there
it is done."  I think that characterizes social production.

RE the reading list, thanks for the suggestions.
RE the following:

> A number of people at Loughborough have recently found it very
> interesting to combine ethnomethodological and rhetorical perspectives
> (in a selective way).

What do you mean by "in a selective way"?  (H.G.'s concept of reflexivity
and his critique on scientific assumptions haunts this type of discourse.)

Thank you for the interesting conversation.

Rick Freeman
P.O. Box 2421
Missoula, MT   59806
jeanbob@selway.umt.edu
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:39:30 -0700
From:         Richard B Freeman <jeanbob@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Definitions of rhetoric

On Sunday (Jan.10) or thenabouts, Jonathon Potter listed some works
relevant to ethnomethodology and rhetoric, which I filed and subsequently
deleted.
;.
Jonathon, will you please resend the message to me?  I am interested in
looking at and reading some of the works you mentioned.


Rick Freeman
P.O. Box 2421
Missoula, MT   59806
jeanbob@selway.umt.edu
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:02:52 -0600
From:         Harold Annen <hannen@UMAXC.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Definitions of rhetoric

Richard,

I'm kind of curious about how Garfinkel makes sense out of new things that
happen in a discourse community?  Also, does he do anything with the
possibility of "error" in interpretation by receivers?  Certainly there
are certain kinds of "messages" which are unlikely to be interpreted in an
odd way ("Take out the trash") but others ("We need all Americans to protect
the peace") might have far wider range of responses.  Does Garfinkel do
anything with this possibility?

The reason I bring this up is because its seems to me that different kinds
of rhetorics demand different degrees of precision in sending and
receiving.  The level of redundancy (repetition, rearticulation) in an
advertisement (but perhaps not an advertising campaign) and a presidential
address would seem to be different.  Perhaps we need to think about the
relation of agreement to rhetorical practices on the basis of what is
trying to be achieved.  Is it a vague feeling of association/sympathy or a
request/demand for very strong and knowlegable support for an important
policy?  What are your thoughts?

It's also interesting that you should bring up the question of how diverse
communities respond to television news.  I wonder if we could understand
at least part of what broadcast news "communicates" to most of us is that
most of what happened to _us_ today _isn't_ "news"?
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From:         steve forman <C223468@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: S87 Memory Fault
              10 Jan 1993 07:18:00 GMT from <0005075968@MCIMAIL.COM>

try loadfix <progname> at dos prompt.
From: leovacd@topaz.ucq.edu.au
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Subject: Re: spatial data in Clipper
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:13:18 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

>Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:06:00 LCL
>From:         PaussaVC@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
>Subject:      spatial data in Clipper
>>> My problem is how to improve the performance of point data
retrieval
>>> Expected ratio points/total points is i.e. 5/100000.
>>> in a test dbf of 10E5 records.
>>> D.Leovac@ucq.edu.au

>>Gino,  For a database of 100,000 records, you should be using Oracle
>>instead of dBase files.  Purchase Oracle, SQL*Net and ClipDbBridge
>>301-330-9621 (There is another Clip-Ora package out of England - Call
>>Nantucket)
>>On a network, you can use Oracle/os2 or Oracle/Unix depending on how
>>much power you need. On a network, you can then split the workload
>>between the client doing user interface and calculations and the
>>server doing record retrieval.
>>-Chuck

>You should actually be using FoxPro.  Oracle requires too high an
>overhead in hardware, time and $.  FoxPro runs on '286s and up and
>incorporates a strong subset of SQL with the XBase language that you
>are already familiar with.  No, it doesn't yet support client/server,
>but neither does
>Clipper (I think).

Dear colleagues,

Thank you very much for your response. The information which I received
are very useful, but my main problem was not the tool itself - it's the
efficient way of retrieving the spatial data. So it's better to explain
it a little bit more.

10E5 records contain 2D coordinates of point data <p_id; x; y>. The aim
is to retrieve small subset of data contained in a desired recatngular
area.
Example:
- coordinates are defined as relative numbers in area 1 x 1, so typical
  record is like this: < Point 1, 0.43211843, 0.73919484 >,
- there is an area ( described by 2 sets of point coordinates [( x1,y1)
  and ( x2,y2)] ) which contains some of the points in a database. The
  area is very small comparing to the total area.

How to get points from that area when using XBase?

I have used index file < key: str(x)+str(y)> and softseek, but the
results are pore - to much time is needed. For desired area of 1/25000
and 5 points in it, it took approx. 30 sec on 486 machine.

Slightly better results are achieved when the point data are clustered
into the 'cells'. Computing time is reduced due to testing whole
cluster of data represented by cell coordintes rather than inspecting
every particular point coordinate.

i.e. index key is [ substr(x,3,3) + substr(y,3,3) + str(x) + str(y)]
so the key value for this point < Point 1, 0.43211843, 0.73919484 > is
{ 432 739 0.43211843 0.73919484} what means that this point belongs to
the cell (432,739).

Anybody has a similar problem?

Gino
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Subject:      procedure not found

I have a somewhat disturbing problem with a UDF (function)I have defined in
a procedure file that when called I receive either a file not found or
procedure not found error.  I have used SET PROCEDURE TO procedur-file-name.
I have also appended all of the procedure file into the calling program but
get the same error.  If I change the function to a procedure, the program
will then find it.  I must be overlooking something simple here?

Thank You
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From:         DON SMITH <DSMITH@INDYVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: dataease error

I'm sorry I don't have anything helpful to suggest, but in my experience,
DataEase on a network is just TROUBLE, TROUBLE, TROUBLE.  What I especially
like are the times you delete one line or character from a procedure, attempt
to save it, only to be told that you are "out of memory," after which the
program dumps you out to DOS.  This stuff happens to me ALL the time.

Don Smith
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From:         "John Boyd;LAHDI;" <johnboyd@OCDIS01.TINKER.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Help Preserve Deleted Records

In your message of 12 Jan 1993 at 0337 CST, you write:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a Cheese of a time trying to preserve deleted records
> when appending from one file to another. The conversion program
> I've written modifies a .DBF file slightly (the odd field is added,
> or subtracted). Therefore I append into my new structure. But if
> I do it with Set Deleted off, the deleted records pass over, but
> lose their deleted status. If I do it with Set Deleted On, I lose
> the deleted records altogether. How do I preserve deleted status
> when appending ?
>
One solution that I used once was to add another field 'MARK' @ the
beginning of the database structure and put a character in mark if
the record was deleted.  Then I recalled all the records, did whatever
manipulation I had to do, then marked for deletion those records that had
MARK set, then cleared the MARK field.  All you've really done is to 'move'
the delete flag to a place that doesn't interfere with your commands. HTH..

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From:         BURNFIELD%SHIRE@UTHSCSA.EDU
Subject:      Re: procedure not found

I'm not sure what dBase dialect you're using, but, I've occasionally had this
problem with FoxBase+/Mac and it's usually because I've done one of the
following:

1. The interpreter (Fox, dBase, etc.) is looking in a different directory for
the procedure file than the current directory. This can usually be fixed with a
SET DEFAULT TO command.

2. FoxBase+/Mac doesn't like a procedure in a file that is the same name as the
file. For example if a have a file called, say, PROC.PRG and then I have a
procedure inside the file named PROC, then I get an error very similar to what
you're describing.

I've never used dBase and haven't as yet written any big foxpro programs so I
don't know how they will handle the above situations.

Hope this helps.

Dean Burnfield
The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
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From:         "A. Kaniss" <dashiell@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: difference between clippper and foxplus

One difference is that with clipper it's possible to
compile for speech friendly programming.
This is the kind of programming you do when someone who might be
using a speech synthesizer is going to use the end product.
As far as I've been able to figure out,
fox plus can't do this.  Therefore, it's not in compliance with the
a.d.a. since if there's a totally blind computer user who has to use your
program effectively to keep their job depending on the version of speech
synthesizer in use this may not be possible.
If you want to compile for clipper so programs come up talking on
speech synthesizers, remember in the linking to link pcbios.obj
in along with everything else and the software will talk with no
problems.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
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From:         I.Bowes%uk.ac.southampton@SOTON.AC.UK
Subject:      Help Preserve Deleted Records

Hi all,

Im having a Cheese of a time trying to preserve deleted records
when appending from one file to another. The conversion program
Ive written modifies a DBF file slighlty (the odd field is added,
or subtracted). Therefore I append into my new structure. But if
I do it with Set Deleted off, the deleted records pass over, but
lose their deleted status. If I do it with Set Deleted On, I lose
the deleted records altogether. How do I preserve deleted status
when appending ?

Any thoughts ?

Cheers

Ian Bowes
I.Bowes@southampton.ac.uk
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From:         Tom Scott <Tom_Scott@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help Preserve Deleted Re

     RE>Help Preserve Deleted Recor
>Im having a Cheese of a time trying to preserve deleted records
>when appending from one file to another. The conversion program
>Ive written modifies a DBF file slighlty (the odd field is added,
>or subtracted). Therefore I append into my new structure. But if
>I do it with Set Deleted off, the deleted records pass over, but
>lose their deleted status. If I do it with Set Deleted On, I lose
>the deleted records altogether. How do I preserve deleted status
>when appending ?
>
>Any thoughts ?

One is by using a 1-character flag field in your DBF.  Then use
the folowing in your conversion program:

SET DELETED OFF
REPLACE ALL FLAG WITH "X" FOR DELETED()
 .
 .
 .  && YOUR APPEND ROUTINE
 .
 .

Then in your new DBF:

DELETE FOR FLAG="X"

Just a thought.............!   :-)


Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853
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From:         DON SMITH <DSMITH@INDYVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Question on LOOP

How to get an inner loop to break out to an outer loop:
DO WHILE .T.
   DO WHILE .T.
      Here's where I want to get ALL the way out, so I set a flag...
      nomore = .T.
      EXIT
   ENDDO
   IF nomore
      EXIT
   ENDIF
ENDDO

I hope this is close enough to your needs so that you can adapt it.

Don Smith
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