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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 14:43:22 EDT
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Freud Bashing

  `Tis the season to bash Freud for one of his biggest mistakes, made more
serious by his immense influence on psychology and Western Civilization.
  There is no doubt that Freud did not understand the situation concerning
the abuse people have endured and its sequalae. The first Freud Bash issue
is his reason, for which many have gained pleasure in assuming and attempting
to prove was for his own gain or some neurotic weakness within him. It is
easier to get mad at him if we find some evil in that. It's a debatable issue
but quoting Jeffrey Masson doesn't stand one on firm ground.
   One theoretical point which Freud made was that, whether stories of abuse
were true or not, for the purposes of psychoanalysis, it did not matter
whether the tale was memory or fantasy. Each requires the same working-through
process, that is the affective experience of its ramifications. Freud was not
writing as an epidemiologist but as a psychoanalyst.
   Another point is that Freud was so good at understanding his analysis
patients that he did indeed uncover many of the terrible scars of abuse. BUT,
to believe they were all the product of memory would be to believe prevalance
rates of abuse which no one has thought possible until the last few years.
What we assume about rates of abuse today would have seemed ridiculous just
20 years ago.  In fact, the definition of abuse has changed considerably
just in the past few years.
    Sigmund definitely had his ego problems, in fact his demand that his
theory explain absolutely everything led him to put some patches on the
old model that look pretty silly.  But let's not forget that he also took
some very unpopular stands such as saying homosexuality should not be a
crime, women should be analysts, analysts don't have to be doctors and that
psycho-analysis should be expressed in terms that everyone can understand
rather than just the elite. We take that for granted today.
   If you want more sophisticated revision of Freud's ideas on abuse, you
might also look at John Bowlby's later work and Alice Miller,
a Swiss analyst who's written extensivley on child abuse.
Tim
From: HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET (Mike Babyak)
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Subject: Re: MPD and insanity
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The idea that what we call pathology is actually adaptive is not a new
one by any means.  Perhaps the most obvious example of someone who
championed this idea is R D Laing in his work on schizophrenia.
Both Laing and Thomas Szasz have long maintained that mental *disorder*
is really just part of the normal continuum of behaviors that help
get people through life.  Labeling such behavior as pathology is how
the people in the center of the distribution get through THEIR day.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
HOPE@UKANVM
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From:         Craig Rooney U of MO-Columbia <C503108@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      multiculturalism

Hello, I'm new to the list but I've been following some discussions for some ti
me.  I was wondering if anyone out there new of any good sources on urban issue
s and counseling or counseling and religious diversity.  Thanks!
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So someone finally asked the question here I have been meaning to ask...

Hi, I've been "listening" for about a month.  I'm at Claremont Grad School
in Social Psych, and I wanted to know what Matthew seems to want to know...
that is, what do you say when people ask the infuriating question after
you tell them you're a psychologist :  "So you're probably analyzing me
right now?"
	I have a response that gives interesting results... I say "No."
with deadpan seriousness, ;) and stare them directly in the eye.
	They usually laugh nervously and walk away, thinking I'm nuts.
Which may not be far from the truth ;) but at least they usually leave
me alone.

	Anyone else have suggestions of what to say?

(By the way, Matthew, yours were great, I'll let you know how they work
for me!!)

Tracy
moncriet@cgsvax.claremont.edu
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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: behaviorism and clinical psychology

Tim, I like your description of the difference between incremental
and structural processes very much.  These same distinctions are alwyas
spoken of when we think of the human organism as emergent, rather than
a static mechanism -- meaning that the interaction of the constructive
mind and the environment is constantly reorganizing the system, and
is hence unpredictable in the traditional sense.  there is now a
society for the study of chaos in psychology, though I do not
have the details at hand.
One possible ramification of this approach may be that parsimony in the
traditional sense may be neither possible nor desirable when it comes to
making sense of human experience.  This is why some psychologists, especially
clinicians and some branches of cognitive       have begun to approach
psychology via life narratives, hermeneutic analysis, and other interpretation
focused techniques.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:40:10 EDT
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From:         "(Dawn Hughes)" <dhughes@NOVAVAX.NOVA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MPD
              Fiero" at Sep 29, 92 10:10 am

>
>         I skimmed the discussion on MPD (I don't have time to
> actually READ Psych-grad digest anymore) and I thought those of
> you interested in MPD might enjoy a film I saw.  I don't have the
> exact reference but it is a tape of the TV show 20/20 on the
> Hillside Strangler.  In a nutshell, the tape documents the case
> of Ken Bianchi who was accused of strangling women in the early
> 1970's.  He pleaded the defense of "I didn't do it, my alter
> personality did."  Many psychologists worked on the case and
> disagreed about the veracity of his claim.  I don't want to spoil
> the ending, but it is a SUPER flick.  I'll see if I can get the
> exact reference, I think it was made in the 1980's.
>
> Patty Fiero
> plf2e@virginia.edu.Bitnet
>

To Whomever:

I also viewed that flick in undergraduate abnormal psych class.  I always
wondered where it originated from.  Thanks for the info.  I also
reccommend it to all pych folks - very interesting.  Patty, please
let me know if you do find the exact cite.  Thanks.

Dawn

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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:12:00 PST
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From:         "Philip Richins, Continuing Education, CWU,
              (509) 963-1504" <RICHINSP@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ok, I can't resist

or the variant---
two Behaviorist meet on campus--
A: You look good, how am I?
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Subject:      comp-mania

The season for comps has passed, or so it sounds.  I just took my
specialization comprehensives last Thursday.  I'll find out in 1-2 weeks as
well.  So many hoops to jump and so little time.

Michael Schwerin   (gr3894@siucvmb)
Southern Illinois at Carbondale
GO BREWERS !!!!! 2 and 1/2 games out of first place !!!!!
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From:         "Sala, Linda" <KMSA@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: clinical and experimental psychology

Actually my favorite line is......"Listen, can you give me some
advice on...."
Know what I mean?
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From:         GALLOGLY@CWU.BITNET
Subject: Re: clinical and experimental psychology

Someone posted recently that they didn't like people assuming they were a
shrink or clinical sort when they said they studied psychology.  I would like
to say that I understand completely, I think we all have that problem.  An old
advisor of mine said she tells people she's a mathematical psychologist, and
they usually say "Oh, I'm really afraid of math.  Maybe you could...."  I have,
occasionally, told people I was studying cognitive science.  But then I only
end up explaining to them what that is and they still don't usually get it.
Normally, when someone says something like "Oh I'll bet you're analyzing me
right now" I just smile and nod.  Especially if I'm not likely to meet them
again.

Once, I was checking a bunch of books on eye movements and psychological
processes out of the library.  The librarian saw the unusual titles and said,
"So you're going to learn how to figure out what people are thinking?"  I
answered "yes".  I don't really think there is anything we can do about it,
except try to explain to people that we study all kinds of things besides
neurosis.  But it does get very tiring.

Don Gallogly
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From:         Denise Lajoie <DLAJOIE@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: e-mail and teaching

Dear Betty,
      Thank you for the helpful suggestions on how teaching and e-mail are
compatible.  One thing I'd like to add is that it saved me lots of time on
office hours.  I fielded most questions from home and seldom had a student
need to see me privately in person.
       I'm making up a list of the advantages and will post to the list.  If
anyone has anyother ideas, please join in.

       Thanks again, Denise @ Hawaii [dlajoie@uhunix.bitnet]
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From:         "O.S.Cronin" <O.S.Cronin@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>
Subject:      new subscriber

Hello all! Yet another banal note clogging up your mailboxes!  I'm a first year
phd student at the University of Southampton, UK.  I'm going to be working on
family photographs - and no, I can't be any more specific than that just yet!
If anyone is aware of anyone researching in this area, or has read anything
scintillating (or otherwise) on the subject of family albums, or has  invented
a funky new methodology, or is a guru in an old one, or just wants to have a
chat (sorry, read "intellectual discussion") about photos in general, please
get in touch!
Orla Cronin
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:26:54 EDT
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From:         SMULHOLLAN%M%WCU@ISN.WCUPA.EDU

To All:

I am currently involved in a project to set up a bulletin board of this type
for use by undergraduate students of Psychology. If there is any interest in
this among students that you have or may know of, please contact me on
Psycgrad or have the students contact me by mail at my home address:

                                Steve Mulhollan
                                1066 King Rd.
                                Frazer, PA 19355

                              Thank you,


                                      Steve
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 00:52:19 EDT
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From:         Rodney Timbrook <RTIMBROO@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Just curious...
              25 Sep 1992 10:02:52 -0400 from <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>

Hi,

Is anyone else receiving MULTIPLE copies of every post made?

I started receiving up to 9 copies of each post!


Help me if you can......


Rodney
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:54:30 EDT
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From:         "(Dawn Hughes)" <dhughes@NOVAVAX.NOVA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: MPD
              Sep 29, 92 10:33 am

Hi.

I have been reading along and finally decided to post in response to MPD.
I work in the field of trauma (formerly with sexual abuse survivors,
battered woman) and currently with veterans.  Obviously, all of the
above often present with some sx of PTSD.  With my wotk with the
survivors, MPD is not all that uncommon.  My frustration has been
with professors who were adamant that MPD did NOT exist.  Unfortunately,
they are not the only ones voicing that opinion.  The problem is
that when an MPD alter feels suicidal, and a contract between the
remaining parts cannot agree, hospitalization is warranted.  So now
the client enters the hospital for self-protection, only to be told
that MPD is a farce, thereby further invalidating her reality (as if
this hasn't already proved to be a pattern response in her life).
Well, this pisses me off.   Anyone who has ever worked with an MPD or
had a close colleaque work with one knows that they exist, they are
real and they are in a great deal of pain.  They need an alliance,
a confidant, someone that they can trust so that they finally
can come to terms inliving with their different parts.

I am now the research coordinator for our Sexual Abuse Survivors
Clinic and we have been collecting data on all of our clients.
I am interested if anyone has any experience with the Dissociative
Experiences Scale - the DES. The clinic is new, the data is new, but
I have a good handful of DES's and I'm wondering about norms (if that's
even possible) or in general , other's experiences with the scale.

Thanks------DAWN :-)

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From:         BART KOUWENBERG <ERROBBART@ER.ELE.TUE.NL>
Subject:      address wanted

Hello Michel,

Looking for some one who could help me I found your address in a BBoard.

My university work relates to a report published by the University of
Windsor, Ontario, Dept Electrical Engineering. I would like to have
an E-mail address to one of the persons there, Dr Ahmadi.

Would you be so kind to look in your national list of contacts if there is
any addresss into that direction? Could send me this?

Thanks for your effort,

 Bart Kouwenberg,
senior lecturer,
EINDHOVEN, University of Technology,
Netherlands
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From:         Ramie Borgnis <RBORGNIS@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Subject:      MPD/Ken Bianchi ref

Here is the reference for the "Hillside Strangler" MPD case:

   "Mind of a Murderer" parts 1 and 2, Frontline, PBS, 1984

I got both parts from the audio/visual department of my university.
This is an EXCELLENT film. It documents, with rare footage and interviews,
how Ken Bianchi posed as a multiple personality and tricked several
psychiatrists and the courts. Finally, another psychiatrist called his
bluff and he confessed to faking MPD. Another post mentioned that it
still wasn't clear whether Bianchi was faking.  Not according to this
film!! He was sentenced to jail rather than to a mental hospital because
he actually did confess.
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Curious as to how you go about subscribing to the list...
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From:         "Kathryn Irene Snyder" <IRENES@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Querie -- Taxing Stipends

I worked with Mr. Price on his campaign last time he was up for
election. He's not a particularly nice person, actually he struck me
as being rather a jerk. On the other hand, look at his opponent. I
guess I'll have to vote forhim.
Irene
irenes@unc.bitnet
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:38:00 CDT
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From:         Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freud Bashing

Really no need to  apologize for calling Freud a sexist jerk, because
by today's standard he was one.  The only point I
was trying to make was that the evaluation of historical figures
can change considerably depending on what paradigm you are using.
The more paradigms you use, the better I think we are able to understand
such figures.
The trick is to understand as well as possible how those paradigms
shape the evaluation and to incorporate this fact into the evaluation.

MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS         *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
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From:         Mark Haydon <MRHAYD00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Multiple personalities...

Mike, I think your observations regarding the etiology of MPD are quite astute.
I feel that the huge increase in reported cases of this disorder is directly
due to therapists increasing their desire to view people in this way. Another
fad has roled off the press and many of us are far too willing to go out and pr
ove it,s existence. I feel that caution should be exercised in allowing a
client to view themselves as MPD without challenge as I fear this can lead to
increased pathology. I certainly feel that there are cases that warrant this
diagnosis and I deeply sympathize with their suffering. I wonder what the
impact of such a diagnosis has on the individual's life after recovery. Do
insurance companies view these persons as increased risks for future claims?
Thanks for your message. Let's challenge the opposition to prove their case. I
feel the burden of proof is in their court. Mark
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