HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:51:11 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <1eb1qrINNqs5@early-bird.think.com>, fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
|> Thanks for the Crusaders info,  can you remind us what they are planning
|> on playing for 1993?
|> 
|> Just curious -- and I want it for the FAQ.
|> 

Sheherazade and Russian Easter Overture by Rimsky-Korsakov

A long way from Billy Jean by Micheal Jackson, Smooth Operator 
by Sade, and Axel-F no?  :)


==============================================================================
   David Owens                    VMID:        ODAVID at YKTVMH
   SVS Multiplatform Development  Internet:    odavid@watson.ibm.com
   IBM Research                   
   One Copley Place               Disclaimer:  I am not a spokesman for IBM.
   Boston, MA 02116

   You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely.
==============================================================================

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker)
Subject: Re: informal survey
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 05:55:22 GMT

In article <1ejs0mINN9j4@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>>    Here's an informal survey for those of you interested.  Many corps have 
>>songs associated with them, Madison and You'll Never Walk Alone, Sky Ryders - 
>>Over the Rainbow, etc, etc.
>>
Well, I will always love Spirit's 'tradesong' "Georgia On My Mind".  Spirits
fortunes may be falling, but their song will never fall...

Scott
--
              ________   ________         gt1293c@cad.gatech.edu
       |   | (___  |__)   | \  /      Box 24860 Georgia Tech Station 
       |_|_|_____) |  \___|__\/__         Atlanta, GA 30332-1001
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: 'Straw Poll'...was RE:Madison Music
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:34:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.160744.8826@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>In article <1eb6frINNp8q@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>> In article <1e9lalINNjs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>[buncha stuff 'bout Madison deleted]
>
>>>agreed... let's take a straw vote and see how many people thought SCV should
>>>have won with their Phantom of the Opera show..
>> 
>> No way!  Madison won it because they where unbelievably clean.  I'm not a
>> big Madison fan, and I'm much more of a SCV fan.
>> 
>>>I'm curious..
>>>
>>>I still SCV was gyped and they should have won in 1988 and 1989 IMO. I was
>>>blown away by Star's show in 1990 and I was pissed when they only got 3rd.
>>>just my 2 cents worth..
>> 
>> SCV's '89 show wasn't as good as '88.  Their drum line wasn't clean and they
>> still won drums.  Even guys who march SCV don't acknowledge their top drum
>> of '89.  They don't think they deserved it.
>
>
>Ok...lets look at the evidence from the past few years:
>
>     '88-'everyone' thinks SCV should have won....they won in '89 instead....
>     '90-'everyone' isn't sure who should have won in '89....so Garfield wins...
>     '91-'everyone' thinks Star should have won in '90....so they win in '91...
>     '92-'everyone' thinks that Cavies should have won in '91.....so they won
>                    in '92.
>
>['everyone' does not necessarily mean me or you.....just the general sentiment
>here.....;) ]
>
>So let's take a poll of 'who should have won in '92'! Maybe we can predict the
>world champion for '93!!
>
>I'm personally up for Garfield.
>
Even though I love to watch the Cadets, I didn't think they had a better
show than Star did.  The Cadets did have the intensity of the championship
performance on their side, But Star's control could not be beat.  I thought
the Cadets dirll was sloppy.  I know, it was a difficult Marc Sylvester
book, but it wasn't as clean as Star's was.

the cavies were clearly the best all around, and they won.  But Star got
screwed one placing.  My reactions are not based on bias for one or the other
corps, but my best judgement while sitting in the stands and watching
the tapes once I got home from Madison.

Just my 5 (maybe 6) cents worth.

Rob Dorocke
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)
>
>Anyone??
>
>
>Brooke
>Colts '89-'93
>Mellophone
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Info request on facets of the Cavies '92 show
Date: 21 Nov 1992 14:42:32 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu
Keywords: questions, geeky, composer

In article <1992Nov20.025112.3640@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:
>(since i lived on the west coast for the past 5 years, I haven't seen much of
>drum corps other than the west coast guys, excuse my 'out of touch ness'.
>also, one is a bit geeky, but I'm just curious if someone knows for sure...)
>
>1) Who is Jack Stamp? I noticed he is credited as a composer on one of the
>	pieces, and I've not ever heard of him, can't find anything on him.
>
I have a CD with Gavorkna Fanfare on it and this is what it says about
Jack Stamp:

Jack Stamp (b. 1954 in Washington D.C.) is conductor of University Bands 
at Indiana University in Pennsylvania.  Dr. Stamp studied composition with
Fisher Tull and Robert Washburn and holds degrees from IUP, East Carolina
U., and Michigan State University.  He has a number of published works to
his credit and has appeared as a guest conductor, clinician and adjudicator
throughout the country.

Gavorkna Fanfare expands the traditional brass and percussion instrumentation 
to include the full band.  It is based on two contrasting melodic ideas which
explore the rhythmic interaction of ostinato and counterpoint.  The work
was compoesd for and dedicated to Eugene Corporon and the Cincinnati
Conservatory of Music Wind Symphony on the occassion of their appearance at 
the "Golden Anniversary" convention of the College Band Directors National
Association.




-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115	*****Clinton/Gore '92*****			
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Who REALLY won in 1988?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:55:21 GMT

<MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

>Discussion of the 1988 DCI Championships and Madison's victory have been
>discussed recently in the group.  Here's who the real winners were for the
>past few years.  These are IMHOs, of course, but I can see the flames coming
>:).
> 
> 1987 SCV (even though I loved the Garfield production)
> 1988 SCV (EASILY!!!!)
> 1989 Phantom Regiment (SCV was too dirty)
> 1990 Cadets (Star was great but still had some dirt)
> 1991 Star
> 1992 Star
> 
>Mike Hughes

Here's my $0.02:

1987 Cadets (Listen to the recordings - there is at least one alto player
		out to lunch - especially at the very end)
1988 SCV (arguments accepted for BD)
1989 Phantom Regiment or Cadets (easier music than they usually play, but
		WHAT A DRILL!)
1990 Cavaliers (most musically satifying show on the field that year)
1991 Star (no contest)
1992 Cadets (had a SLIGHT edge on Star on finals night)

[BIG IMHO]

Brian J. Haag
bjh42543
nyc.sd.du.uiuc.77832

What the hell is that ??? ^
Brian J. Haag
bjh42543@uiuc.edu
bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: C_S05161@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Clay Thompson Monroe)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: madison
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:41:59 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: conrad.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

test
From: cstaddb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr A I Snowden)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: BYBC
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:13:34 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk



Keep on reading all these messages about DCI. Where are all the DCUK and BYBA
messages ??? There must be a few members out there. There must be some news.


Anyone go to the British Youth Band Championships (BYBC) at Wembly on the
8th of November ???


Congratulations to the MAYFLOWER CADETS who retained the title of UK Champions.
And to all those for their contributions on the day. It was great to see it all
happening out their.


Hope to read some uk mail in the future..
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: rumors, rumors, truth?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:46:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov17.203712.10160@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise) writes:
>--Jeff
Jeff, do you think that you can repost this?  Somehow the text was in the 
header.  I'd like to hear the rumors.
--David
-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bowl Trips
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:13:16 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov17.162217.4193@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, bellm@phlox.cps.msu.edu (Matthew J Bell) writes:
> This is my first posting so if this is all wrong, too bad.  
> 
> Who all is going to bowls?  Here at Michigan State, we're hoping for a trip to the
> Holiday Bowl in San Diego (if and only if our team wins this week against
> Illinois).  I know U-M is headed for Pasadena again (gag)  
> 
> You all heard that MSU drumline won again at BOA (I hope)  Of course they don't
> all have big heads now or anything.  Well, before I screw this up anymore...
> 
> Let everybody know who is going where!
>  
> Keywords: 

Right now, the Fiesta Bowl looks like the most likely possibility for C.U.  But
we could still go to the Orange Bowl if Nebraska loses another game.

							Charles Holt
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker)
Subject: Re: Boston Crusaders Open House & staff info
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:00:06 GMT

In article <1eggihINNmml@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>>In article <Nov.17.15.50.30.1992.12645@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>> ^^^^^^^ <--- THE State University of New Jersey.
>>
>>I think you're thinking of Russian Christmas Music, by Alfred Reed.
>
>I can't say what Ken is thinking, but Boston is not playing Russian Christmas
>Music.  They are playing Russian Easer Overture (or something like that) by
>Rimsky-Korsakov.
>
well, I meant was that I have heard Russian Christmas music by Reed
more than I have heard the Easter Overture.  By the way, I LOVED SCV's
latest performance of Russian Xmas Music.

Scott
--
              ________   ________         gt1293c@cad.gatech.edu
       |   | (___  |__)   | \  /      Box 24860 Georgia Tech Station 
       |_|_|_____) |  \___|__\/__         Atlanta, GA 30332-1001
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Re: Madison music
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
	.edu><1992Nov13.185524.10159@beaver.cs.washington.edu><1e36s1INN8tg@early-bird.think.com>,<92321.133532MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
	<1e9lalINNjs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:59:28

In article <1e9lalINNjs@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

   I still SCV was gyped and they should have won in 1988 and 1989 IMO. I was
   blown away by Star's show in 1990 and I was pissed when they only got 3rd.
   just my 2 cents worth..

   Omar Zaidi

I saw both the '88 and '89 Vanguard shows, albeit early in the season
and only once each, but from my paltry viewings, I found the '89 show
much improved.  I don't believe that the Vanguard deserved to win in
'88, although I wasn't personally impressed with any of the 1988
shows.  I'm happy for Madison, though.

I saw Santa Clara in 1988 at the Costa Mesa show.  My overall
impression of the show was that it was flat.  There was just no
"punch" to the show, perhaps because the corps wasn't executing very
well.  I remember being, dare I say it?, bored with the show (ouch!
Man alive, that's heresy).  I remember by contrast seeing the Blue
Devils at the same show, and although I don't remember being too
impressed with the overall show design, they executed the hell out of
it.  To me, they made up for a rather non-descript show with some
incredible execution (sorry, BD fans, I like the Devils, too, but I
just didn't care for that show too much).  It was extremely clear who
would win the show that evening.

The next year I saw SCV perform again.  Everything about the show
seemed a little "brighter" to me.  The show was being executed better,
the horns seemed louder (maybe "fuller" is a better word, although you
don't tend to think of post-1981 Vanguard horn lines as weak), the
percussion was happening (although they weren't my favorite Ralph
Hardimon parts, still very tasteful).  The overall impression I had
was excellent, and an obvious change from the previous year.  I don't
know what happened; maybe the writing was cleaned up (I haven't
listened to '88 and '89 back-to-back in a couple of years, so I don't
recall).  Who knows?

In any case, I think that SCV did *not* deserve to win in '88.  I
had thought the general consensus was that if anybody should've beaten
Madison, it should have been the Blue Devils.  Certainly they were
clean enough to do it; my only problem would've been show design, but
as I hinted at earlier, I didn't find any outstanding shows that year.

I do believe that SCV earned the title in '89.  That show was
gorgeous, and so much more sophisticated than the show Phantom
Regiment put on the field (are we going to go through this
conversation again?).

Those are my thoughts.

	George
--
______________________________________________________________________________
George D. Drapeau			Internet: drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu
Libraries and Information Resources
Stanford University
From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Drumline tryouts?????
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:05:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Please excuse if this message is a bit botched, I'm using an editor
theditor that sucks.  So, bear with me please.

I have a snare/bass/quad friend that will be tring out for Star
in a couple of weeks.  He doesn't gfell real confident about
his chances to make it (this is his first year) and he'd like any
and all info about tryouts for other midwestern corps.  

They don't have to be top 12, but the higher the better.  Also,
if you can give the names of any corps that use matched grip on
snare.  He's an excellent player, but can't play snare for Star
(probably) because he's played matched all his ilife.

So, anything you have as far as cost and phone numbers and addresses
would be GREAT!!!  Thanks a lot.

Chris
Star '93?????
Baritone
-- 
Please send all mail to cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu

IRC nick-BlueDevil         FurryMuck name-WolfBlitzer
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison Music
Date: 22 Nov 1992 17:33:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article 1992Nov22.034042.2055@hubcap.clemson.edu, rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu
wrote:
 
|>BTW, I have it on a very good source that the top-12 did indeed know the
|>scores going into the finals performance.
 
Oh?  One of my favorite moments in the 1988 PBS broadcast came at the very end.
The announcer was giving the semifinals scores out and the camera focused
on the Cavaliers just as he recited Cadets' and Cavaliers' scores.  It turned
out that Cavies had beaten Cadets in semis although they lost to them in
finals.  The Cavies reacted as if they said:  DAMN!  We beat them in prelims
and we let them get past us!  That is consistent with them being ignorant
of the semi-final scores, not their knowing them.  If they had known, they
would have acted that way when the *final* scores were announced!
 
Perhaps the management and staffs knew.  The kids in Cavies sure didn't!
 
Vince
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Drum Corps Alias?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:25:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <01050023.istbdb@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>>I can think of two years that Spirit's bass line was really great...
>
>I was thinking of 82-85 especially.  They used to do a medley of famous 
>themes that was out of this world.  Petticoat junction, Andy Griffith, 
>William Tell Overture, and everyone else's street beats.  That last part 
>was cool because they would go through, in quick succession, SCV, 27th,
>Suncoast, (and maybe others?) and their own.  

We used to do the same thing.  One of our bass instructors name was Matt Gore.
He marched in those years.  We used to play a lot of Phantom's melodies 
because they were easy to lift.  We also played part of SCV, Suncoast, and 
a BD street beat from early 80's (another instructor of ours marched bass
for BD then).  We were going to go to individuals and do a drum corps through
the years parady, but it never panned out.

>
>I'm forwarding this to my brother, who marched in the 83 and 85 bass
>lines.  Maybe he'll comment on it...
>
>|--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Niel M. Bornstein                              chinchilla!niel@cars.com |
>| 1352 North Morningside Drive               ...csn!sable!chinchilla!niel |
>| Atlanta, Georgia  30306                 (404) 872-6883   (404) 551-8075 |
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>| Opinions? I don't need no stinkin' opinions!                            |
>|--------------------------------------------------------------------------

--David


-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1992 CD's
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:54:34 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:



>I phoned DCI headquarters today and was told that they
>expect the CD's to be in at the very end of this month.

>Also, you can still order them now, but as soon as they
>are sold out they are out of print so the earlier the order
>the better.


I received a request via E-mail to post the phone numbers for
DCI to order the CD's, cassettes, etc.

         DCI 
         P.O. Box 413
         Lombard, IL  60148

         1 (800) 344-2772
               or
         (708) 495-9866
From: DER107@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison 93 show
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:00:49 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <Nov14.171052.51230@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) says:
>
>From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
>
>>Is anyone else just a little disappointed that Madison has decided
>>to go with a show that consists entirely of music they have played before?
>>At least one new piece would make it a bit more interesting, in my
>>opinion.
>>
>>-- Donald
>
>Some of us weren't around in 81, and are thrilled to hear this music
>for the first time.
>
>I also think that looking back is a healthy thing that the activity is
>sadly getting away from because the judges demand innovation.  But I don't
>see why playing a piece that was played before can't be innovative.
>None of the performers (and probably few of the staff or writers) were
>around in 81, and you know the visuals, drill, arrangements will be
>very different.
>
>Let me add, finally, that at the end of every season I feel sad that
>I'll never, ever, see these shows again.  Worse, people who discover
>the activity the next year will have never, ever see these shows.
>So why not reach back for some of the most thrilling moments and let
>people enjoy them -- either again, or for the first time.  Some of these
>moments might also be a thrill (and an education) to perform.
>
>Scott
>

Flashback shows and repeated music have been very successful (Cadets 90,
SCV 89, etc.), although this year's batch did poorly. If something new
can be brought to the piece, it is still exciting to watch. On the other
hand, the music itself might not be difficult enough by today's standards.
Fiddler, IMHO, was a lot of fun to watch, but musically was not in the
same league as Cuban Fire or the Perilous Skies. I felt the lower scores
received by "blast from the past" shows this year was justified by the
difficulty and execution of their competitor's products.

Scott is right that a show is gone for good after finals. But redoing the
music never recaptures exactly what was great about the original performance
One of the best things about drum corps is that after the season is over, the
shows will always be owned by their performers. There are only 128 people who
ever got to create the 1987 Cadets or the 1991 Star of Indiana or any of the
GREAT shows, and there is every reason to try to create some original
moments rather than recapturing the past.

When I was at the Cadets, some older members were critical of the 1990 show
because it used a fair amount of repeated material. They were certainly proud
of their performance, but the sentiment was that it just wasn't as exciting
to do Candide because it had already been done in '85. They enjoyed the
parts of the show that were new for the corps.

I'd be interested to hear what it's like to watch your (or another) corps
redo your show, or to march a show that is a corps tradition.

Doug Rank
1991 Cadets of Bergen County