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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy (Was: Re: Educational Software/CDTV)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:21:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec13.005349.25145@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> <71602@cup.portal.com>
  <BzFKvu.rn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

>You may already know this, but in case you are curious, it's an 80x86
>compatible.  I'm not sure which one.
>
>But how does the VIS look?

I knew it had to be an intel 80x86, since it runs a cut-down
version of windows known as "modular windows".

The graphics looked decent enough, the speed adequate for a
typical CD-ROM application.

It looks like a VCR. Its the least techy looking of all the machines.

If it can play Kodak photo cd's, I may take a second look, but the
clerk didn't know that either.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Anybody there ? Obviously not!
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:19:04 GMT

In article <KENTD.92Dec15134742@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>>>>>> On 8 Dec 92 06:35:07 GMT, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) said:
>
>David> 	The comp.sys.amiga groups have quite a few cbm employees, but
>David> there probably aren't any here. CBM is not a company that wants
>David> to win any new market share. Without advertising, they are
>David> doomed. Unless they start doing some more they will simply lose
>David> out in the US...and it is a pity that they are doing so well in
>David> Europe where they actually advertise.
>
>I'm not entirely convinced of this... I think it's a big

>I think it's a much more complex problem... For starters, their dealer

>A good start would probably be to get the 600 or 1200 into mass market
>channels and cut the retail prices as low as they can afford to.

>/* Kent Dalton                   * EMail: Kent.Dalton@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM */

	That is an outcome of CBM's lack of advertising. I bought my first
Amiga at an outlet store, not a dealer. Amigas used to sell in Sears,
Service Merchandise, Software ETC, and other stores. C64's used to sell
in the previous, plus KMart, some toy stores, and even Radio Shack. 

	Now They don't. And Apple sells them there instead.


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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re:  Educational Software/CDTV
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:32:11 GMT

It seems to me that it is better to have more than less. In the case of 
function keys and a keypad, for heaven's sake! How can a "Better" machine not
have them? Sure, let's all be like the Mac and have to wade through all that
real intuitive Apple X and Shift Function Y crap. What a PAIN. I wish the
Amiga had 12 function keys instead of just 10! Or even better, an add on that
had an LED display on top of the fkeys to show their changing functions! If
you don't want to use Fkeys, no problem, just don't. Ignore them. If you want
them, use them. But for heaven's sake, don't cripple the functionality and
flexibility of the machine! 


Darrell Leland
dleland@nmsu.edu
 
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From: e91petmo@odalix.ida.liu.se (Peter /\/\odin)
Subject: Re: Swedish King & Queen
Keywords: sweden, Amiga
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:35:25 GMT

mike@rahul.net (Mike Smithwick) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.084356.18712@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>>The swedish king and queen was seen at one of the big Amiga-stores
>>in Stockholm this week. They bought three Amiga-games. Wonder if it
>>was for the king (or queen) ?? The games was probably for their son
>>who is around 13 (I think).
>>

>Huh! Some royalty!! In other countries they pay people to do that sort
>of thing! ;-)
Hey, he has an Amiga, I'd call that a big plus.

>I bet Queen Elizabeth doesn't have to do her own shopping. "Excuse
>me knave, do you have Leasure Suit Larry II?"
> 
"Hellou, I am the queeeeeeeen.  You may rise. Please get meeee
'Brad Stallion and the Sex Planet'."

 

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From: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM PC Demise?
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:35:01 GMT
Reply-To: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) says:

>>By the way, isn't Intel going to drop the 80XXX line?
>
>Yeah, in about 15 years maybe!
>They just changed the name...x86 isn't copywritable, Pentium is.

Motorola should name the 68060 the 'Sextium'. It's copyrightable and will sell
for obvious reasons (take it, Neal).

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:03:29 GMT
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Peter da Silva (peter@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
:
: > I have 8 megs RAM, and OS/2 takes up about 13 megs of HD space.  
:
: Well, 8M of RAM by itself costs about as much as an Amiga that can multitask
: games while downloading. I used to play "Tracers" while downloading on my
: 512K Amiga 1000.
:

Peter, exactly when did you get your 512K Amiga 1000, with the Tracers and
your modem program?  At that time, did you pay $200 for it?  I didn't think
so.

Your price argument (that you keep rehashing) is totally ridiculous.  BTW,
today, for the same $200, I could get a barebones re-conditioned Sun 3 CPU
that can run UNIX with virtual memory and memory protection.  It doesn't take
Columbo to notice that old computer hardware is supercheap.

:
: Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
:
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Wolfenstein 3D
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:12:02 GMT

>>For $200.00 you can have 16 bit 44.? khz CD quality sound that will
>>blow an Amiga out of the water.
>
>Just think, for the price of an entry-level Amiga system, you can surpass
>it's 7-year old sound chip. Now a DSP on the other hand...

Let me repeat that...$200.00 not 200.00 pounds.  Where can you buy a
NEW Amiga for $200?  I can get a used sound card cheap, too, doesn't
mean that they ARE that cheap.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:08:05 GMT

>tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>>Unfortunately, it appears that both virtual memory and memory protection are
>>not currently ranked high on the list of objectives.

No big loss, I think.  The Amiga already has virtual memory--two versions,
I believe.  I have not had a need for memory protection.  (I have not seen
Deluxe Paint overwrite VLT, for example.)

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re:  Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:25:09 GMT

In article <root.03ah@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>>An interesting aside: after the private discussions by Lew Eggebrecht at
>>the WOC in Toronto, several of us had an opportunity to pose questions
>>and share insights with Mr. Eggebrecht. One person asked about how RISC
>>technology could be incorporated into the platform given the lack of a
>>64-bit bus. His response was that a solution was currently be worked on
>>to alleviate the problem. Zorro IV anyone? Take it for what it's worth :).

>If I wanted a 64 bit workstation, I'd buy a 64 bit workstation.

Famous last words. Not everyone needs RISC, 64-bit bus architectures or
Windows NT but some of us are content with the fact that CBM has at least
acknowledged that system enhancement is a good thing.
From: lozinski@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Lozinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Ignore Barrett
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:06:42 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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Since this guy (Marc Barrett) is so annoying and pissing everybody off,
what do you all say if we just ignore him since we can't get rid of him.

-lozinski@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
"If I wanted to listen to an ASSHOLE, I would've farted!"

^_ Marc, I think there might be a hint there. -^
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:57:43 GMT

In article <1gkuddINNlis@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>In article <Bz9Bno.GsH@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>
>>   Commodore has never proven to me, to my satisfaction, that the CDTV is
>>still alive.
>>
>>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>
>   Hey, people... there's one thing that has been overlooked that came out of
>WOC/Pasadena. If I recall correctly, a friend said his dealer said that ]
>someone who apparently works at Commodore said that they overheard a developer
>say that someone who went to the show said that a suit said:
>
>   "Finally, Commodore has decided that its number one priority for the
>    upcoming year is not only to satisfy all of our customers, but to
>    satisfy the sole person that is responsible for keeping us in
>    business today. A visionary man -er, person, and one who undoubtedly
>    has only the best interests of our thousands of shareholders at
>    heart. A person that's always been there to support us, share with
>    us his revolutionary ideas, and catch us when we fall. Ladies and
>    gentlemen, I give you none other than Marc Barrett!"
>
>   Of course, someone could have taken one or two of the sentences out of
>context, but I'm pretty sure I'm conveying this story correctly. Funny how
>nobody mentioned it recently.

   It would be far too typical for someone like that to impune me behind my
back without my ability to respond.  I would very much like to go to one of
the big shows so that I can confront certain people face-to-face about exactly
what "vision" and and "innovation" are all about, but I cannot afford such a
trip.  In the meantime, people take advantage of the situation by making fun
of me knowing that I am not there to defend myself.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Subject: Re: Screenshots: Results:
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:23:35 GMT

In article <BzExLM.vz@news.udel.edu>, don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:
> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> >

> >Another thing which, IMO, would really help out the WorkBench.  That would
> >be the ability to change the windows size by grabbing onto ANY side of the 
> >window and dragging it, like yo can do in OS/2, Windows, and X.  The WorkBench 
> >is Macintish-esque like this.
> 
>      I guess this would be useful; really haven't thought about it.  When using

There is a PD thing called 'xsize' that lets you do this.  You click-and-hold
on the size gadget, then you can push on any edge (or corner) to move that
edge (or corner).  Quite nifty for times when you would normally have to
move the window up and the resize it...


> >One think I wish there was more of is OS/2 is more active icons.  With the AMmiga,
> >I understand that when you activate the icon, it might DO something.  In
> >OS/2, all you get is a hash marking behind it to let you know it is active.
> >Like, I think I rememebr a friend showing to me on his A500 how a fish icon
> >(a really big cartoony icon) closes its mouth when you click on it.

Well, I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but amiga icons can't really
tell you what apps you have running.  I think mac icons get shadded or
something (not really sure here).  In you example above, I could double click
on the fish icon to launch some app, but when I clicked on another icon
the fish would go back to normal even though the app may be still running.



Rich...
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From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Electronic Art's new computer?
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:31:33 GMT

Well I have a few questions on this possible computer.

The few things I am pretty certain of this is it is going to have
a 32bit risc cpu and will be driven from the cdrom, and it might be around
$700 introduce price.  And it will be geared for games.

I know most people that know are on a nondisclosure agreement, but

1) does anybody know if it is for sure that it is going to be owned by
    Electronic Arts, or is it simply from a guy that worked there.

2) Is it going to be a full computer; that is, is it going to have a keyboard,
    decent OS, and savable media ( ie floppy drive )?  This is important to
    me to know if it is just going to be another cd-i, or a real computer.

3) Anyother specs of the machine, would be nice too ( ie name of cpu )

This computer might be one heck of a machine, if it is part of EA, has
a decent os, gets support by EA's competitors, and mostly important if
it is marketted well.

Martin

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Amiga Unix/A4000
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.152254.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dwrinkle@vax1.umkc.edu (--DJ Revolution--) writes:
>I was curious if the A4000 can run Amiga Unix, and if there will be an upgrade
>for the new machines??????

The current release will not run on the '040, but an update is hopefully in
the works.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jimmy@mickey.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jimmy Chan)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:42:55 GMT

In article <Bz9Bno.GsH@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1ggvp7INNank@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>>Calling someone brainless and supporting it with conjecture isn't
>>exactly good form, Marc.  I think you owe him an apology.  Then again,
>>I think you still owe the net an apology for your whole "CDTV is Dead"
>>fiasco.  The net will probably never see either.
>
>   Commodore has never proven to me, to my satisfaction, that the CDTV is
>still alive.
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

HEHEHEHEHEHEH....

C= has to bow to the Almighty MB???!?!?!?!...

More of Marc's ELITIST crappola.  Marc you have never proven to me that you
actually have an inkling of what you are talking about either.





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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Help me not to change computers!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:59:20 GMT

In article <BzFwyn.Mry@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1gm0kqINNrng@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>Star Trek 25th Anniversary
>>'>   The original IBM version suffered enormously from the fact that it came on
>>'>20 or so disks.  
>>
>>	Does it really matter how many floppies the PC version came on?  It
>>   was a HD only game anyways, so you only had to load them in once.
>
>   Yes.  First, it takes up valuable hard drive space.  Second, a CD-ROM disc 
>costs a lot less than 20 floppy disks.  The CD-ROM version will be superior
>for these reasons and more.  Even with 20 disks, there were many features that
>the developers wish they could have included but weren't able to include.  The
>CD-ROM version will include all of these extra features.

Yeah, I heard on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games that Interplay is working on
getting William Shatner and the gang to do the VOICES in the CD version!

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:16:03 EST
From: Chris "Slothman" Stoy <CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Distribution: na

I heard a rumor that Commodore was planning on doing some sort of aggressive
marketting for the A1200 when it is released in the US.  The rumor also said
that there may be a power up plan, but didn't have any details.  Hopefully this
rumor becomes more then just that...


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From: turk@tree.SAC.CA.US (Rob Turk (1-1-90))
Subject: Re:  guns
Organization: The UNIX Tree Public Access *ix  (916)349-0385 Sacramento, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:11:00 GMT

In article <BzAA8s.Ky1@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>In article <1992Dec4.173759.4912@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>> > going to make you do something.  The waiting period assumes whomever is
>> > buying the gun is going to take offensive action with it.  Now, if I get
>> > threatened, is the person doing that threat going to wait three days for me
>> > to be able to defend myself?  Are the police going to give me 36 hour
>>
>>This would be a case where having a gun would make me kill someone.
>
>Bull.  The only thing which determines whether you kill someone is you.
>
>> > two places are not easily changed.  If someone is out to kill you, it makes
>> > you an easy target.  The person attacking you makes it a decision of 
>> > whether you should have a gun or not.  If you need one and do not have it,
>> > you are too late.  A person can live a long and rewarding life without a 
>> > gun if someone does not attack them with intent to kill.  So, when you go 
>>
>>So having a gun is the only defence against a murderer?  Heard of unarmed 
>>combat?
>
>It is a mens of defense and I have the right to use it.  Period.
>
>Maybe YOU want to take on a person who has a gun or a knife unarmed...
>not me!
>
>>If you're so worried about being attacked, learn karate or something.
>
>Tell that to a 90-year old lady or a handicapped person.
>
Either he, or you, deleted the fact I AM handicapped.  I guess "or
something" applies.  There still is not a cop positioned beside me
24 hours a day.

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From: tomster@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Thomas Richard Dibble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.emulators.ibmpc.apple2,alt.sex.motss,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Emulatin' the GS s'more, mon
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:11:13
Organization: ZikZak Corporation
	<IRIE.92Dec15133100@husc11.harvard.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: irie@husc11.harvard.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 18:31:00 GMT

>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 18:31:00 GMT, irie@husc11.harvard.edu (Robert E. Irie) said:

  REI> In article <Bz9M7E.7nK@javelin.sim.es.com>
  REI> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:

  ???>Well, its damn hard to take pride in a nameless clone from Taiwan...

  PA> Instead of a named rehash from Japan?

  REI> hmmm I dont think Apple II's were designed and built in Japan..

Kinda off the subject, but it seems I heard somewhere that the
Powerbooks are manufactured by Sony, in Japan.

		---- tomster@wpi.wpi.edu


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