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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Kopfschmerzen
Followup-To: soc.culture.german
Keywords: Big Pain
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Distribution: public, world
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:54:04 GMT

This just in off the Rocking Pig Wire Service...
'WEST GERMANS FEEL A BIG PAIN: Unification with the east has turned
out to be a big headache for West Germans, literally.  A study done by
the respected Allensbach Institute shows that the percentage of
western Germans suffering from headaches or migraines rose from 25
percent in 1989 to 33 percent in 1992.  In the east, meanwhile, people
report fewer headaches, with the percentage suffering them falling
from 33 percent in 1990 to 28 percent this year, says a report in the
Economist magazine.  Similar patterns were noted for sleep troubles,
tiredness, nervousness and indigestion.
	'What this shows, exactly, has yet to be scientifically
determined and probably never will be...'
(Rest of article deleted in the interest of public safety)

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From: jbronstad@UMASSD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Contacts in Karlsruhe.
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:14:37 GMT
Reply-To: jbronstad@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.

try Mr. Achim Niessen
    Akademisches Auslandsamt
    Universitaet Karlsruhe
    Karlstr. 42-44
    D-7000 Karlsruhe
    Germany

    Tel.  (0721) 6 08 49 16

Mr.  Niessen's position is to help international studenents going to the University and in sending their students abroad.  here at
the uni. of Massachusetts of Dartmouth we are receiving 5 univ. students from U. Karls.  

I do not have his E-mail address.  I don't think he reads this newletter.In article <10702172.35.714717548@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10702172@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRIS JUREWICZ) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I am looking for a friendly person who could feed me with some usefull info 
>on KARLSRUHE and Universitaet Fredericiana zu Karlsruhe.
>
>I will be staying/working there at the end of the year. 
>
>I've heard that there are some problems with getting an accomodation in 
>there at the moment. Does anybody know what they are and how to overcome 
>them?
>
>Is sharing of accomodation with other students common in Germany? It sure is 
>down here.
>
>So I'am waiting for someone to answer this. Mail me in person, or to this 
>newsgroup. I'll appreciate that a lot. Thanx!
>
> ___________________________________
>|Chris Jurewicz                     |
>|Dept. of  Civil Engineering        |
>|Monash University                  |
>|                                   |
>|10702172@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au    |
>|chris.jurewicz@eng.monash.edu.au   |
>|___________________________________|
>
From: marco@CompSci.Bristol.AC.UK (M. Lawrenz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Mehr rechtsextreme Gewalt
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:42:16 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, University of Bristol, UK.

carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) writes:
: PB>Das Infas-Institut hat in Deutschland von Maerz bis August
: PB>einen dramatischen Rechtsruck festgestellt. Im Westen stieg
: PB>die Bereitschaft, rechts von der Union zu waehlen, von 8
: PB>auf 12, im Osten sogar von 12 auf 19 Prozent.
: 
: Ach du Scheisse!
: 

Completely agreed, wenn das so weitergeht dann koennen wir bald wieder in einer
Reihe marschieren und den Arm heben. Auch wenn Birne noch so ein vollgefressener
dekadenter Fettsack ist : Besser als "Heil Scho"nhuber"...

marco
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: common Polish-German action (was: Nazi Cam
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:15:51 GMT

ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:

>>Any numbers?

>If one has no numbers, it's not true??

No. But is it true? If you start blabbing and wish to be taken
seriously, you'd better be prepared to back up your statements with
some evidence, instead of asking others to provide proof that you're
just spouting crap. Up to now, you're making unsubstantiated
accusations, and daring others to prove you wrong. This ain't the way
to go.

>Neo-nazis also claim that the extermination of Jews, Poles, etc., was
>not organized and certainly not SUBSTANTIAL.>

So what? There is plenty of well documented evidence proving that at
least a few million Jews and Poles were exterminated in a systematic
and organised fashion by the Nazis during WWII. I call a few million
dead SUBSTANTIAL, don't you? (Look up Holocaust in any encyclopaedia
in a library near you, eg Brittanica, and take it from there. This is
just so you don't say that I didn't substantiate my claims by failing
to provide references.)

MB
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Mehr rechtsextreme Gewalt
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

PB>Das Infas-Institut hat in Deutschland von Maerz bis August
PB>einen dramatischen Rechtsruck festgestellt. Im Westen stieg
PB>die Bereitschaft, rechts von der Union zu waehlen, von 8
PB>auf 12, im Osten sogar von 12 auf 19 Prozent.

Ach du Scheisse!

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
                                                                          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: pmiragli@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pierluigi Miraglia)
Subject: Re: Shopping Hours, etc.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:49:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.104804.27989@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE> k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hambu
rg.DE (ce) writes:
>   expect to hear only local or regional news. The network news which
>   follows is usually *much* higher in international content. Anyway,
>   there's an election on right now which tends to pull the coverage
>   more towards the domestic. As for news in Europe I have two sources;
>   German TV and British Forces Network. I find both to be suprisingly
>   parochial and distinctly *non*-international in content. About as
>   far afield as either service goes is Yugoslavia which seems to have
>   totally obsessed news-shows here. They occasionally report on what's
>   happening in the rest of the world but I think that the international
>   content is *far* lower than the US. During a stay in Japan I found
>   the news to be even more xenophobic. News shows within a country tend
>   to only report international news which has a direct effect upon that
>   country. The best source for international news here is CNN International
>   which is available through cable.

I think the original poster (the one you're replying to) was making a
slightly different point. It's true that parochialism isn't an
exclusively American trait, but in my experience there is a considerable
difference between its consequences in Europe and in USA. For example,
I notice that many Italian newspapers make detailed reports on the
campaign here: people know where Clinton stands on issue x and that
Bush waves the flag of "family values". Do you think that many
*educated* Americans could name at least the 3 major parties in, say,
Germany or Italy?
As another instance: an American friend of mine spent several weeks in
Europe and especially Germany a few years ago. He found out that most
people there hated then pres. Reagan. He was not so much surprised by
their hatred, but by how much they knew about him.
Ciao
PL.
-- 
Pierluigi Miraglia       Miraglia.1@osu.edu
Dept. of Philosophy, The Ohio State University
Logic before Frege: "Metalanguage? It's like when you talk about
football in French" (Intro. to Symbolic Logic anonymous)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier)
Subject: Re: Krawalle in Rostock
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:08:54 GMT

In article <H.WDNSSmGdlo6@rossi.han.de> ros@rossi.han.de writes:

>In <1992Aug30.202925.13655@dscomsf.desy.de>, Till Poser writes:
[ueber die Diskussion des Asylrechts]
>>Zum einen instrumentalisiert es den Krawall zum Durchsetzung eigener 
>>politischer Ziele, d.h. sie froehnen hemmungslos dem Populismus.

>Aha, wenn Politiker einmal das tun, was das Volk will, ist es schlecht ?
>Seltsame Vorstellung von Demokratie.
Wieso soll ein Politiker immer das machen muessen, was das Volk will? Ok,
es hat ihn gewaehlt, aber wenn es mit ihm nicht zufrieden ist, kann es
ja das naechste Mal einen anderen waehlen.
Ich finde es sogar hoechst bedenklich, wenn ein Politiker immer seine Nase in
den Wind haengt. Man sollte doch annehmen, dass jeder Mensch gewisse Ueber-
zeugungen hat, zu denen er steht. Die Politiker der SPD und der FDP, die
gestern noch gegen eine Aenderung des Art. 16 GG waren, oft mit der richtigen
Einsicht, dass dies keine Loesung der Asylprobleme bringt, zeigen mit ihrem
Umfall, dass es ihnen an Rueckgrat mangelt. Die Wiederwahl ist ihnen wichti-
ger als ihre Ueberzeugung.

>-- 
>        Alexander Rossner                      ros@rossi.han.de   
>

Tschuess,
		Joern

-- 
Joern Baier     (baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de) 
Jesuitengasse 9 	   __o
D-W8390 Passau 		 _ \<,_
Tel +49/851/35239 	(_)/ (_)
From: os22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Oliver Schulte)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Dual Citizenship
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:15:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AebFisO00VpLAWE1Av
	<ADNAN.92Aug26123317@redstart.icd.ab.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Adnan,

your comment seems somewhat inconsistent to me.
If I remember Karen's case correctly, she was born in the U.S. by a
German mother. The Americans give U.S. citizenship to everyone who was
born there, thus "she couldn't help it". I'm in the same boat: Born in
Canada to German parents, the Germans have no problem giving me a second
citizenship (in fact, rather forced it on me making me eligible for
military service). 

This problem seems to come up peridocially in this group; we had some
discussion a couple of months ago.

I suggest to contact the German embassy for info on the German laws, and
the American authorities for the American regulations - these are by far
the best sources, and you're talking to the people who will decide the
matter.

Good luck to Karen,
Oliver
From: kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Fussball-Bundesliga, 3.Spieltag
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:34:33 GMT
Distribution: world               
Organization: World Violation, Inc.

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3. Spieltag

1.FC K'Lautern      - Wattenscheid 09     4-1 (2-0)
Bayer Uerdingen     - Borussia Dortmund   0-2 (0-1)
Schalke 04          - Borussia M'Gladbach 1-2 (0-1)
Vfl Bochum          - 1.FC Saarbruecken   4-0 (1-0)
Karlsruher SC       - Werder Bremen       5-2 (2-2)
Bayer Leverkusen    - VfB Stuttgart       4-0 (2-0)
Dynamo Dresden      - 1.FC Koeln          3-0 (2-0)
Hamburger SV        - 1.FC Nuernberg      0-1 (0-0)
Eintracht Frankfurt - Bayern Muenchen     verlegt auf 27.10.


Tabelle

Platz  Mannschaft           Spiele  Tore  Punkte

 1.    Bayern Muenchen        2      4-0    4-0
 2.    Vfl Bochum             3      7-3    4-2
 3.    Bayer Leverkusen       3      6-2    4-2
 4.    Karlsruher SC          3      9-6    4-2
 5.    Dynamo Dresden         3      5-2    4-2
 6.    1.FC Kaiserslautern    3      5-2    4-2
 7.    Eintracht Frankfurt    2      2-1    3-1
 8.    Borussia Dortmund      3      4-4    3-3
 9.    Borussia M'Gladbach    3      5-6    3-3
10.    VfB Stuttgart          3      4-5    3-3
11.    Wattenscheid 09        3      6-8    3-3
12.    1.FC Saarbruecken      3      3-5    3-3
13.    1.FC Nuernberg         3      1-3    3-3
14.    Schalke 04             3      6-6    2-4
15.    Hamburger SV           3      2-3    2-4
16.    Werder Bremen          3      3-6    2-4
17.    Bayer Uerdingen        3      1-6    1-5
18.    1.FC Koeln             3      0-5    0-6

---
Kai Voigt         !  Roses are red,
Werftstrasse 2    !  Violets are blue,
2300 Kiel 14      !  You think this will rhyme
Germany           !  But it ain't gonna.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,talk.bizarre
From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:04:50 GMT

In article <BtJIM9.EnK@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>In article <24AUG199216380614@maximillion.mcc.com> ilotemp@maximillion.mcc.com (ILO Temp) writes:
>>Just a little reality check here Roger...apparantly you haven't 
>>had a great deal of experience with European women lately, or 
>>women at all for that matter.  I just returned from a two year 
>>stay in Germany with frequent visits to adjacent countries, and I 
>>am happy to announce that european women are shaving both PITS 
>>and LEGS.  There are exceptions, but then go to a Greatful Dead 
>>show and you'll find that in your own little pristine US of A 
>>women are not always using the blade.
>
>Could someone explain to me please why anyone would want to shave their
>legs and armpits?  It seems like a lot of work for a rather unpleasant
>and stubbly final result.
>--scott

Thanks Scott, you've got it!           

Beatrice
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mstede@cs.toronto.edu (Manfred Stede)
Subject: Re: Rostock-Krawalle
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:06:16 GMT

dennis@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:

>In <92Aug25.121733edt.47888@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mstede@cs.toronto.edu (Manfred Stede) writes:

>>Nichtsdestotrotz, wenn ich die Aeusserungen deutscher Politiker und
>>von "Volkes Stimme" lese, die in den postings hier wiedergegeben
>>wurden, wird mir recht uebel.  Da scheint sich bereits ein Gewoeh-
>>nungseffekt einzustellen:  es gab soviele Krawalle und Uebergriffe,
>>dass es den Leuten schon gar nicht mehr in den Sinn kommt, die Gewalt
>>als solche zu verurteilen und mal ueber die Opfer nachzudenken;
>>stattdessen wird vom konkreten Ereignis abstrahiert und ueber die
>>"generelle Problemloesung" nachgedacht, sprich: Asylrechtsverschaer-
>>fung, was freilich nur eine Schein-Loesung sein wird.

>Also ist doch wirklich seltsam: Was die Politiker auch machen, sie machen
>es falsch. Wenn sie lange rumjammern und nichts tun (Jugoslavien) wird
>von Tatenlosigkeit gesprochen, wenn sie mal aktiv eingreifen wollen,
>wird auch gleich auf ihnen rumgehackt...

Oh, wenn die Politiker tatsaechlich 'aktiv eingreifen' wuerden, waere
ich der letzte, der auf ihnen herumhacken taete.  Mein Punkt ist, dass
die Gewaltakte von rechts halbwegs tatenlos hingenommen werden, waehrend 
man aus rein politischen Gruenden die Situation, die die Schlaegertruppen 
zum Anlass fuer ihre Ausbrueche nehmen, anprangert und schlussendlich die
Opfer der Gewalt auch noch diskreditiert.

Davon abgesehen habe ich mich ja nicht ausschliesslich auf die Politiker,
sondern ebenso auf 'Volkes Stimme' bezogen -- das natuerlich mit dem
Vorbehalt, dass ich weit weg bin und meine Meinung anhand der hiesigen
Presse und der Nachrichten auf diesem Netz bilde.

m. 

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From: kai@depeche.toppoint.de (Kai Voigt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Fussball-Bundesliga, 5.Spieltag
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 09:04:54 GMT
Distribution: world               
Organization: World Violation, Inc.

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*  *  *  * ** * *   * *    *         *    * *    *  *
****  *  * * ** *   * ***  **** **** *    * * ** ****
*   * *  * *  * *   * *       *      *    * *  * *  *
****  **** *  * ****  **** ****      **** * **** *  *

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5. Spieltag

Eintracht Frankfurt - Borussia Dortmund   4-1
1.FC K'Lautern      - Borussia M'Gladbach 0-0
Schalke 04          - Werder Bremen       0-0
Karlsruher SC       - 1.FC Nuernberg      1-1
Dynamo Dresden      - Wattenscheid 09     2-1
Bayer Uerdingen     - 1.FC Saarbruecken   1-1
VfL Bochum          - VfB Stuttgart       0-0
1.FC Koeln          - Bayern Muenchen     1-3
Hamburger SV        - Bayer Leverkusen    0-0


Tabelle

Platz  Mannschaft           Spiele  Tore  Punkte

 1.    Bayern Muenchen        4     10-2    8-0
 2.    Eintracht Frankfurt    4      8-3    7-1
 3.    Bayer Leverkusen       5      7-2    7-3
 4.    Dynamo Dresden         5      8-6    6-4
 5.    VfB Stuttgart          5      6-6    6-4
 6.    Karlsruher SC          5     11-9    5-5
 7.    Schalke 04             5      9-7    5-5
 8.    VfL Bochum             5      8-6    5-5
 9.    1.FC K'Lautern         5      5-3    5-5
10.    Werder Bremen          5      6-7    5-5
11.    Borussia Dortmund      5      6-8    5-5
12.    Bayer Uerdingen        5      6-7    4-6
13.    Hamburger SV           5      4-5    4-6
14.    1.FC Nuernberg         5      2-5    4-6
15.    1.FC Saarbruecken      5      5-9    4-6
16.    Borussia M'Gladbach    5      5-10   4-6
17.    Wattenscheid 09        5      8-12   3-7
18.    1.FC Koeln             5      3-10   1-9



---
Kai Voigt         !  Roses are red,
Werftstrasse 2    !  Violets are blue,
2300 Kiel 14      !  You think this will rhyme
Germany           !  But it ain't gonna.
From: markk@sagredo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Kampe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Help me learn "regular" German ...
Date: 28 Aug 1992 15:51:06 GMT
Organization: SunSoft South
NNTP-Posting-Host: sagredo.west.sun.com

Wenn du Deutch lernen willst, sollst du Deutsch benutzen.  Kannst du deine
Frage auf Deutsch stellen?  Kannst du dieses Brief lesen?  Kannst du die 
andere Deutsche Eroerterungen auf dieser Gruppe lesen?

Warum fragst du ob du Deutsch ueben darfst?   

Komm doch!  Schreiben!  Lesen! Lernen!


(fuer die echte Deutsche ... sagt mann "auf dieser Gruppe", "in dieser Gruppe",
 order "die mann hier findet", "die hier stehen", ???)
From: tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:15:30 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <ALTI.92Aug21144204@tanera.dcs.ed.ac.uk> alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.140732.17353@sinix.UUCP> tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell) writes:
>
>   Shopping in Germany sucks bigtime.  Don't ask me about Banks, the Post
>   Office, the Telephone Dictatorship...
>
>I don't know about banks in the states but compared to German Banks
>the British banks are real crap

Perhaps it is a matter of what you are used to, I have the opposite opinion.

> You don't get an overdraft very
>easily, they charge you a helluvalotofdough if you go over the limit &
>let the cheque bounce,

My bank has a scheme which allows me to be up to 2000 pounds overdrawn, and
charges me interest at an ok rate.  The service costs 8 pounds a quarter
*only when I use it* (NatWest, biggest bank in England)

 they are lots of different cards which only
>work on certain autotellers (nothing like EC cards in G.)

Hmm.. There are four main banks, you can find at least one of each bank
in *any* towns high street 90% have ATM machines available 24h/day.  The
banks are twinned, so with a random ATM card I can use 50% of any machines
I can find.  In Munich alone there are about 8 or 10 different banks.  Maybe
30% have ATM machines available 24h/day.  If I use an ATM from a competing
bank I pay DM3- ($2) for any transaction.  In England it is free.  Oh, and
all the ATM machines I have seen here will only give you money, they will
not give you an account balance or post you a new chequebook or statement.

 and direct
>debit is almost unheard of, i.e. it is completely normal that you run
>around with cheques to pay your rent, etc.

Except that I pay all of the bills on my flat in England by Direct Debit,
and have been able to for years.  My ATM card also works as an electronic
cheque, debiting directly from my account.  Almost every non mom-n-pop
store, and all petrol stations accept this payment method.  I haven't seen
it in Germany yet.

Tim.

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From: tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Bathroom standards (was Re: shopping hours)
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:17:15 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <SPACE.92Aug22182145@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org> space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau) writes:
>>>>>> On 21 Aug 92 13:42:04 GMT, alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch) said:
>
>> I don't know about banks in the states but compared to German Banks
>> the British banks are real crap:
>[...]
>> they are lots of different cards which only
>> work on certain autotellers (nothing like EC cards in G.)
>
>Huh? I went to London in March, and I never had any problem to find an
>autoteller accepting EC cards. Maybe that's restricted to the capital, though.

Nope, any big four bank ATM will take EC cards; they just don't advertise it;-)

>course, the ever present twin taps, one for hot and one for cold. You have the
>choice between boiling hot and freezing cold.

>Surely other countries must be able to build satisfactory bathrooms. So,
>what's the deal? Don't Britons or Americans care? Don't they know better?

The hot/cold water tap deal is paranoid criminally insane water companies
that are worried that if you mix water from your (potentially dead goat
containing) hot water tank, with cold water from the mains in the tap, you
may with defective equipment squirt lots of nasties into the mains supply
and give your neighbours cholera.  Don't ask me how or why, it is probably
legislation left over from the 1850s when we were the *only* nation with
proper plumbing 8-P

Tim.
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From: dhg@sinix.UUCP (David Griffith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:25:14 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <oli.714385854@ernie> oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:
>tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell) writes:
>
>>b) a law that allows competitive shops (i.e. shops selling the same
>>   stuff as you) to *sue* you if you open outside normal trading hours.
>
>Certainly. There is a law prohibiting "unfair competition" (unlauterer Wett-
>bewerb). It is certainly unfair competition if you gain an advantage over
>your law-abiding competitor by ignoring valid regulations. If it weren't
>possible to sue the offender, the competitior would have to break the law,
>too. And that's not what regulations are supposed to achieve, is it.
>

This is a Catch-22!

If you remove the law, the problem of unfair competition by ignoring
the law goes away.

Dave Griffiths