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From: wfaust@venus.adsp.sub.org (Wolf Faust)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Panasonic printer drivers and Compugraphic output
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:57:51 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <talan.07kg@tension.UUCP> talan@tension.UUCP (Dave Bicking) writes:
>        I'm trying to get Compugraphic font output from Prowrite 3.2.2 to print
>to a Panasonic KXP-4450 (laser printer).  The problem is, I don't have any
>panasonic driver, and no-one I can find knows where to get one.

Got a letter from ZCL (major Panasonic distributor in the UK).
They are thinking about making a special driver for the Panasonic
lasers/dot  matrix  printers  and asked me to write one.  So maybe
here  is something to look at.  But don't be to optimistic....  to
often  I  get such letters without further action...  (the reason
for this is surely not the money I ask for making a driver ;-)

>Presumably, this would then dump my output to the laser printer.  I've
>tried this with the EpsonQ, X, and Xold drivers (Panasonic is supposed to be
>epson compatible) but I only get numeric garbage on the print-out.

???? I allways thought the Panasonic lasers are PCL compatibel?
According to my printer list, the KXP 4430, 4451, 4455 is Laserjet
II or III compatibel. Because of this, you should be able to use
the Laserjet driver on the Workbench disk or get the commercial
Studio printer package (wich includes a PCL3 and PCL5 driver with
lot's of features).

>        Perhaps what I'm trying to do is impossible, somebody enlighten me
>please.  If anybody has _any_ panasonic drivers, please UUencode them and Email
>it to me (I don't get to see the list often, so all replies should be email).

Impossibel. You mail address is unknown and that's why I posted
here...

>        My next querry is this:  Can somebody direct me to a GOOD (ie: working)
>font conversion utility that will convert other compugraphic formats to
>AmigaDos 2.0 format (why the proprietary difference, eh, C=? I know it must be
>a good reason).  Postscript to Compugraphic, and Compugraphic to postscript.  I
>really need fonts, and there just aren't any good Amiga-compatible
>compugraphics out there *sigh*.

No doubt: What you are looking for is FontDesigner from BSC.
Though, I haven't heard about an english version yet... but I'm
sure there will be an english version sooner or later...

>Dave

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From: manne@lysator.liu.se (Manne Landeholm)
Subject: Re: C-64 to Amiga data transfer
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:01:00 GMT

jons@tellus.unik.no (Jon von Tetzchner Stephenson ) writes:

>A friend of mine has a lot of data on C-64 cassettes. He would like to
>get the data to the Amiga. We have got a serial lead from the C-64
>user port to the serial port of the Amiga, but we do not know how to
>transfer the data. Checking the C-64 books did not help much.

>Has anybody done this? I would think that only a simple program on each
>side is needed. Has anybody written such code? Care to share it?

>Thanks!

>Jon.

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>********************************

Hello!

I have written a prg for the Amiga and the C64 for PARALLEL communication.
It uses the 8 bits PB0-7 on the Amiga (the ones connected to the parallel-port)
and the 8 data-bits of the USER PORT. A cable must connect the PB0-bit of the 
AMIGA parallel-port to the bit 0 of the C64 USER PORT and so on.

PB0 PB1 PB2 PB3 PB4 PB5 PB6 PB7 -Amiga parallel-port  
 .   .   .   .   .   .   .   . 
 |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |  -My cable
 .   .   .   .   .   .   .   .
D0  D1  D2  D3  D4  D5  D6  D7  -C64 parallel-port

The Amiga-program (called FT), should be run as a backgnd task.
Start the C64 program, choose source-computer (computer to transfer FROM),
enter the source-filename (the C64 will look for this file on unit 8, but
the Amiga can be given a full path, such as df1:fromC64/data/this_file).
Then just enter the destination file, and the transfer will start.

Ex:

Choose source-computer (A)miga or (C)64: C

Source-file: Data (This file must be located on the diskdrive unit 8)
Destination: df1:data

Transferring...

Operation succesful.

The Amiga-program FT will recieve the file 'Data' and save it as 'df1:data'.
The C64 program will tell you if the transfer was succesful. (I have never
discovered an unsuccesful transfer so far).

!You have to find out which pins are PB0-7 and which are D0-D7 on the ports.
I don't remember that right now...
!The Amiga-program is accesing the hardware directically. Be sure no printers
or other parallel equipment is attached before you start the program.

The only problem is the cable. You have to make one for yourself.
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Help!  Problems with deskjet 500.
Date: 13 Nov 1992 13:09:06 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu


I'm having problems with my Deskjet 500.  Whenever I print something I
typed on ANY wordprocessor, all the underlined text is printed out with
a comma before it.  I've narrowed it down to either my printer driver
(wich is a DJ 500 driver) or the switch settings on my printer.  Here is
what the settings are now (set according to the printer driver's
document on setting up a deskjet for the Amiga).


U  U  D  U  D  D  D  U    U  U  D  D  D  D  D  D

1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8    1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8


A 'U' signifies up, and a 'D' signifies down (if you haven't guessed
that.)

I have a paper due tuesday, so please help me!

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:39:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.204037.4507@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dmacphee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Don mac phee) writes:
>
> Speculation. It costs nothing but a bit of wait-and-see.
>
>The 2200, from what rumor and speculation has built, is a 2000 replacement
>built on an 020, AGA, and a backplane. This design MAY utilize the A4000
>casing and motherboard (Making it an A4000/020)
>
>The A4000/030 is almost a reality. Those that are getting A4000/040's 
>have reported seeing a checkbox for the 030 option. Again, all of this
>SPECULATION is to be taken with a pound of salt. (For flavor.)
>
> Weigh these things when reading these posts and making decisions:
>
> 3) GVP 530 *is* shipping now...
> 4) C= is shipping the A4000/040, A1200, A600, A2000, A2500, A3000.
> 5) The A3000 is priced NICE ($1500 US)...

  I saw that!  I'm tempted but my husband isn't.  He keeps going on
  about the 25 MHz versus the GVP's 40MHz.   Isn't there a technicality
  about 16-bit versus 32-bit RAM?  The A3000 also has 2 Mg Chip RAM,
  am I correct?  Does it have a 32-bit bus from the CPU to the Chip RAM?
  If so, then the A500, only having 16-bit bus running at 40MHz would
  only be 5 times faster than the A500 running at 7, instead of 10
  like the GVP ad claims.  They're probably only talking about stuff
  coming from the 32-bit RAM to the 68E30.

  Now he's talking about getting a $630 Hi-Q tower to make the A500
  into an A2000 so he can expand.  His premise is "I don't want to
  buy a new computer."  I figure adding the $630 + the GVP $1100
  would just about get me an A3000 with a larger HD than the default.
  If I don't need a new monitor for the A3000, i.e. I can still use
  the 1084S (for now), then I'll probably win the argument IF I
  can show that the A3000 will run as fast as the GVP 530 from chip
  ram (does the A3000 have a math coprocessor 68882 installed?).
  Then I mentioned that my son might "claim" our computer (the A500)
  so why not get the A3000, and he said, get this, we'll buy him
  an A600.  (At that time, the monitor issue will be moot, since
  we'll have to buy another monitor anyway and the 1960 monitor is
  only $100 more than the 1084S).  So which is it, guys?

  An A500 (1/2 Meg chip, 1 Meg Agnus not enabled) + GVP 530 +
   (optionally) HiQ Tower (to eventually get the PhonePak, ibm, etc)
   +A600 + 2 1084S monitors

   or

   An A3000 25MHz (at the low price of $1500) + 1960 monitor (not needed right
   away) and eventually give our 2 year old the A500 and 1084S monitor.
  (keeping the A500 game compatible, and using the A3000 for serious
  stuff).
From: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WB 3.0 and NickPrefs
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:50:29 +1300
Organization: Steves Amiga - Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Nov9.033310.20294@cbnews.cb.att.com>,
	itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:
>Has anyone noticed a problem with running NickPrefs and WB 3.0?  I'm running
>3.0 on an A4000.  I was just playing with setting different screen modes in
>prefrences and discovered that everytime Intuition tried to change the screen
>mode the machine would guru!  It would also guru when trying to reset the screen
>after changing the overscan prefs.  I started removing stuff from the startup
>sequence and narrowed down the problem to NickPrefs.  When not running NickPrefs
>all works fine.  Does anyone know about this?	Has this been fixed in a newer
>version?  Unfortunately I can't figure out what version I'm running...

NickPrefs seems to do lots of illegal things, and under 2.0, I've had it
crash many times..Just try the animated pointer under excellence! :-(
>
>WB 3.0 lets you use IFF backdrops and edit the busy pointer (although not
>animate them :-(  )  so I guess the only thing I need it for is to keep
>the floppy drive from clinking.  Does anyone want to recomend a 3.0 friendly
>drive anti-clicker?

Try killclick2, it's only about 1200 bytes long..Should be on most FTP sites..


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: I found a pirate - what shall I do?
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:15:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.201345.5803@bnr.ca> hello@bnr.ca (Ken Orford) writes:
>This is one of the most asinine responses I've seen since M.B. posted
>last!  Either you're incredibly stupid Sam or you're simply a jerk!
>Piracy is wrong no matter how you cut it - and if ya ain't one of the
>good guys then you must be a bad guy.  Get a life and stop jerking
>around people who are on the right side of the fence.

Oh, come on, now.  What a weak argument, Ken, really.  Either I'm stupid
or a jerk?  No, try I'm realistic.  And "piracy is wrong" is about as
weak and diluted as "say no to drugs."  And no, I'm not a good guy, and
no, I'm not a bad guy.  I try to be un-biased.

Let's talk about realism.  Do you realize how many pirates exist in the
world?  Yes, QUITE a few.  Astonishing amounts.  Look, I hate to say it,
but turning one in won't do a lot of good.  You could turn one in, but
maybe somewhere in the world, someone will say "I want a copy of that
game" and become a pirate.  -1, +1.  They sorta cancel out.  Now maybe
the answer to anti-piracy is stricter punishment.  Heavy copy protection
is out of the question, since the majority of the computer users despise
heavy copy protection.  I don't have the answers.  I just know that
turning in these people isn't going to solve anything.  Thus my earlier
statement: It will only hurt the pirate, and it won't help anyone.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Amiga 1200-Commodore U.S. Statement
Distribution: world
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:56:09 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov4.224452.19458@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>Quoth Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman):
>]> How can a machine without virtual memory compete on an even keel against
>]> machines that do have virtual memory? ......  
>
>Gee, which machine was that, Paula?

Well, like those Cray systems that don't have swapping.  :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: I found a pirate - what shall I do?
Keywords: piracy
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:09:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.175120.9297@ifi.unizh.ch> matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:
>No. Piracy is the result of ignorance and stupidity.

In your opinion, maybe.

>IF you cant afford programms, then where did you find the money for the 
>computer?

Maybe the computer was purcashed some time ago, & Mr.X ran out of cash
so he pirates.  Makes perfect sense.  I suppose you'd have to be a
pirate at least once to understand.

>>And no, don't try to turn me in because I don't
>>pirate anymore & I don't use the old stuff.
>
>Glad you are over this now.

Yeah, me too.  I LOVE having documentation. :)

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shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WB 3.0 and NickPrefs
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:56:41 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: matisse.uni-paderborn.de

|> WB 3.0 lets you use IFF backdrops and edit the busy pointer (although not
|> animate them :-(  )  so I guess the only thing I need it for is to keep
|> the floppy drive from clinking.  Does anyone want to recomend a 3.0 friendly
|> drive anti-clicker?
|> 
|> Rich...
"SetNoClick", I think it has been posted a long time ago.
(/amiga/system/wb20/noclick.lha on ftp.uni-paderborn.de [131.234.2.32])

-- 
Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re:  Pound sign (was Re: The A1200 is an CBM upgrade module!)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:53:10 GMT

In article <alien.00rp@acheron.amigans.gen.nz> alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
> But which keymap gives you a pound sign on Alt-Shift-3?

USA0.

> On my machine
> it's Alt-L, and I thought I was using the standard keymap.

That's USA1.

> It's a recent
> A2000 (ECS & 2.05)

I'm running 2.04, so maybe they changed the default? Look in
sys:prefs/env-archive/sys/keyboard.

I think I'll stick with USA1 now... it makes more sense...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik)
Subject: Re: I found a pirate - what shall I do?
Summary: Piracy is stupidity
Keywords: piracy
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:51:20 GMT

In article <Bx93tw.62C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@acoma.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>Listen, you can't stop piracy.  Piracy is a crime, which is a result of
>poverty, and that's no bull.  I've had to resort to piracy because of no
>cash and high needs. 

No. Piracy is the result of ignorance and stupidity.

IF you cant afford programms, then where did you find the money for the 
computer? If you need your computer so hard you will have to pay an 
ammount for the hardware _and_ another for the software you need.
IF both together are to high for you, then you have to look for alternatives.
If you just buy the computer and pretend to absolutley have to have 
this program is plain stupid. As a mather of fact you dont need the 
computer either. Letters can be written without a computer too...

>And no, don't try to turn me in because I don't
>pirate anymore & I don't use the old stuff.

Glad you are over this now.

Sorry, but I had to say it
  Matija

>Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
>shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.

Nice and meaningful .signature


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: PCMCIA products?
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 14:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.211549.8972@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dmacphee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Don mac phee) writes:
>In article <36796@cbmvax.commodore.com> jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes:
>
>>As george said, master/slave compatibility in the IDE world
>>is a can of worms, and it is or was especially bad in the early/cheap 2.5"
>>drives.
>
> Two C= Engineers, and one Zenith worker have said this in the same week.
         ^^^^^^^^^                 ^^^^^^
  Hmmm...  This can be taken several ways...  I guess it's time to 
clarify my .sig

>Is anyone willing to post a list of compatible IDE drives or 
>cross-reference table of drives that will work properly in a master/slave
>setup? 3 of C= Amigas have IDE interfaces, one of which offers the
>'supported' addition of a slave. Publishing a list of drives that are 'known'
>to work would probably be VERY welcome.

  In general if you pick drives from the same manufacturer you should be
okay (assuming that they are recent vintage, some old drives may not
work with newer drives).

  The other alternative is to wait for the ATA spec to be adopted by
all drive manufacturers.  At the rate this is happening, the A9000
may be out by then. :-)

  In any event, always get complete documentation for both drives, study
it over and over, offer up a sacrifice to the appropriate drive diety of
your choice, and hope for the best. :-)  If a certian setup refuses to
work, try swapping the drives, make the slave the master and the master
the slave and try again.

> I'm all for opening a can 'o worms. I hate fishing without bait.
>--
>Amiga /s/   Donald Mac Phee  \\\ agimA  Should the message regarding whether

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: I found a pirate - what shall I do?
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:37:24 GMT

In article <BxAHL9.B7@brunel.ac.uk> cs90rol@brunel.ac.uk (Richard O Lavey) writes:
>Obviously computer s/ware can't be copied quite as easily, but it's still possible.

Yeah, right. It takes me 1min20sec to copy a disk, and about 1hour to copy a CD.

When you get 200 DMS'd disks on a tape, it's even more convenient.

I feel sorry for people who pay for software, 95% of stuff I come across is
a load of crap! It's only a select few programs, the ones people have been
raving about, are the ones worth UnDMS'ing and looking at.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: A1000 needs new keyboard
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Reply-To: pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:29:42 GMT

A friend has my old A1000, and the keyboard is giving away (hey, it
survived hurricane Andrew...).  If I remember correctly, it's nearly
impossible to get an original A1000 keyboard.

Any recommendations for a replacement?
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From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:57:45 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.

22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:


>A3000 at 25mhz for $1400 [ Creative Computers mail order ] + $400 1960
>Total $2000, but plus you get very fast graphics.

Ooops goof $1800

Martin
From: ric@altreality.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Root)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Problem with LHA
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:19:08 EST
Organization: Alternate Reality BBS

--

I recently downloaded the dikumud source from ucbvax.berkeley.edu.
In this source there are a couple of files of ZERO length, and they
seem to cause *SEVERE* results.

I began to decompress the archive, and it was going along fine until
it hit the first zero length file.  It locked up and "guru'ed".. (I know..
2.04 doesn't GURU, but I still call it that.. same thing ya know).
So I rebooted and tried it again.  Same problem, but now my hard drive
has a CHECKSUM error.  I rebooted again.  Checksum error on reboot,
same block #.  So I cancel, and now drive DH1: was not validated!  Since
I didn't have some nice program like Quarterback Tools, I took it in
and had them fix it so I didn't have to lose anything (I lost 5 or 6 files
but nothing real important it seems).

Not wanting to cause problems with the hard drive again, I decided to
uncompress the archive in RAM.  Only this time, I viewed it first,
noted the two zero length files that were there, and created a file
( echo >filename ) for each one, THEN I decompressed the archive,
skipping over the zero length files.

No problems.

Why does LHA do this?  It really screwed my harddrive over.

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Second question on lha.  How do I preserve the entire directory structure?
I use LHA to back up my SYS: partition (It's only about 6 megs).  
Unfortunately, when I use 'lha -x ram:sysbackup.lha dh0:*', it gets
each directory, compresses everything withing each directory EXCEPT
deeper subdirectories.  So while it has no problem compressing everything
in DH0:c/ and DH0:System/, it doesn't compress dh0:AmigaUUCP/lib/, or
dh0:AmigaUUCP/mail/.

Any help on this one?

Please reply to 99root@lab.cc.wmich.edu - mail is not likely to get to
the system from which I am writing this from. :)

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