HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmethot@vicorp.com (John Methot)
Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
Organization: ACME Consulting, Inc., Northampton, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:35:29 GMT

In article <1e1au9INNbg0@gap.caltech.edu> heathh@cco.caltech.edu (Heath Ian Hunnicutt) writes:
>Mike Berman <MSB101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>Along related lines (I know this one is true), it is cheaper to make certain
>>computer chips with math coprocessors than to make them without (since it costs
>> extra money to sever the line to the coprocessor).  But the ones with the
>>coprocessor cost more.  Of course in this case, you're paying for technology...
>
>	Unless I miss my guess, you must be refferring to the Intel 486
>and 486sx.  While it is true that the 486sx is merely a 486 with a "severed
>line", there was a good reason to sever that line and charge less for
>the chip.  Namely, most 486sxs are 486 chips that _failed_ the quality
>check for the floating point unit.  That is, the main processor was
>working, but there was some trouble during the fabrication that screwed
>up only the "math coprocessor" portion of the chip.  Well, there was no
>reason for Intel to throw away a perfectly fine half-working chip, so
>they "officially" removed the floating point unit and called it the SX.

This would be a great explanation except for the existence of one other
major difference between the SX and DX intel processors.  The DX procs
have 32 bit wide access to the motherboard's data bus, while the data
path on SX's is only 16 bits wide.  Both have 32 bit *internal* data busses.
The SX were actually made *on purpose* to be plug compatible with older
(16 bit data bus) motherboards.

The "half defective" explanation above *does* apply to processors of
varying speed.  A 20MHz x86 is the same as a 25 or 33MHz except for the
existence of some manufacturing defect that prevents it from passing
functional tests at the higher speed.

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From: nwc1@ellis.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: What is it about Batman Returns...
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:01:05 GMT
Reply-To: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.

Here's what someone told me: that the Batman Returns story is really
about Jewishness and Anti-Semitism. Note the similarity of the Penguin
to Moses in the basket. Also the fact that the Penguin hates Christmas.
Things like that. Is this a crackpot idea? "I was just wondering..."

Also, is Bram Stoker's Dracula (just released) about AIDS? A friend of
mine read (oh those fateful words) that this was so.

In case you haven't seen the movie, be sure to watch for the tribute
to Monty Python's Holy Grail. (when Keanu Reeves knocks on the convent
door, it made me think of ... Zoot (a spanking! a spanking!)

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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
Subject: Re: Calvin/Hobbes diagnosed as clinical schizophrenic
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:19:43 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <Bxq5Gs.C58@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> dooley@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Kevin Dooley) writes:
>
>No, there is no doubt that Hobbes simply is real.  He is every bit as real 
>as the transmogrifier and the time machine.  He does the things which are
>ascribed to him.  The fact that Calvin also is known to have an active
>imagination is a seperate, and healthy, issue.  I think that y'all have
>forgotten what it was to be a child and the way that a child's mind works,
>and I am very sad for you.
>
>Kevin

Does anyone else out there think that "Puff the Magic Dragon" is a very
sad song, especially the lines "Dragons live forever, but not so little
boys"?

Paul (who isn't even all that fond of kids...)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Snuff film UL broken?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:42:13 GMT

mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>A local DJ here in Ottawa was arrested for peddling obscene videos out
>of his house. 
>According to one report I read, police siezed a number of tapes,
>"including at least one snuff film."
>Hmmm....

Remember, these are the police we're talking about here.  Just because
it looks like a snuff film doesn't mean it's a snuff film.  In other
words, did someone actually buy it, or was it just special effects?
They've done such a poor job with the "satanism" garbage that it's
hard to accord them much in the way of judgement.
-- 
Diplomats are just as essential to starting a war as soldiers are for finishing
it... You take diplomacy out of war, and the thing would fall flat in a week.
   -- Will Rogers
From: phil@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Waltzing Matilda (was: Re: kfsla;jfdkla;iuaeut)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:40:22 GMT
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
Reply-To: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au


In article <9211010406.AA08899@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>, FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furrfu Furr) writes:

> Of course, all of this was brought about by the de-establishment of "Waltzing
> Matilda" as an Australian national anthem.  I can't think of too many witty
> national anthems that were written by committee, as the current Australian one
> apparently was, but "Waltzing Matilda" always struck me as a real kick-ass
> national anthem.  I read in National Geographic that they play both "Waltzing
> Matilda" and "Advance Australia Fair" at the beginning of games, and the
> crowds always sit there drinking beer quietly during "Advance Australia Fair"
> but stand up and sing when they go on to play "Waltzing Matilda."

But do you know the reason the "Waltzing Matilda" never became the national
anthem?

1.  The music is an old Irish folk balad.
2.  The rights to the above-mentioned tune are owned by an American, and the
    Australian govenernment did not want to pay royalties to the US every
    time we played the national anthem.

FURRFU!


Phil.

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From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:31:50 GMT
Organization: The Jet Retro Laser Star Computer Bodies (and dog)
NNTP-Posting-Host: positive

jay@deepthot.cary.nc.us
> Close, it was Kansas City.  My cousin's ex-pseudo-spouse got rich out
> of it [collapsing hotel walkway].
> She was at the 'tea dance' (not christmas, it was in the fall)
> with two of her friends.  She went to the bar to buy the next round of
> drinks and her two friends got smashed.

Well they should drink less, then they wouldn't get smashed.
[n.b. for the UK-challenged, "smashed"==drunk]

Why did your cousin's ex-spouse (pseudo or otherwise) "get" anything
at all out of this disaster, since she clearly wasn't injured by it?

      Trelford

--
   "Call me Ishmael"  Again and again I left a pleading message on the Captain's
   answering machine.  But he never did return my call, so I gave up whaling
   and became a computer programmer.   [Vol 1, "Moby Frob"]
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:53:21 GMT

In article <By0tsJ.Bw@world.std.com> dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa) writes:
>>The previous poster muddled up the relevant point.
>>
>>Intel has confused what the notion of appending "SX" to the end of a
>>prevailing design actually means.  It appeared that the poster fell into
>>that trap as a result.
>>
>>In the 386 world, SX means 16-bit smaller version.
>>
>>In the 486 world, SX means co-processor braind-dead or missing.
>>
>>But there is this 16-bit 486 chip (non-Intel) that therefore can't be
>>easily expressed in this notation.  486SX is what I'd like to call it, but
>>that isn't quite right, so it's a 16-bit version of a 486SX is the best
>>we can do.
>>
>
>I think they call it SLC or some such - and that chip is refered to as
>a 486, because it has the on-chip cache, it really is the 386sx. This
>is allowing them to re-cycle the 386sx motherboards with a more
>marketing acceptable 486 part number.

Not true; the chip actually is a 486, and existent software will recognize
it as such.  There are a small few instructions/modes that a 486 has that
are missing on all 386's.  I have heard rumor of some forthcoming program
that will reject running on 386's for valid reasons, but clearly this
is in the minority.  Yet, this CPU chip will allow that (vaporware at this
point) program to run on it (if 16 Megs is enough!) while the 386SX will be
rejected.

cjl
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Dragon (was Re: Calvin and Hobbes)
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:20:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov21.153618.20577@yang.earlham.edu>, jeffj@yang.earlham.edu (ChaOs) writes:
>
>Oh, yes, and little Jackie Paper doesn't die - he grows up.

Oh, sure, and then what happens? Fifty, sixty years down the road,
he's dead, right?

But, of course, according to the _second_ cartoon version, some
other kid shows up . . . 

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
-- 
All just the opinions of pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Dragon (was Calvin/Hobbes...) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:50:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Nov20.143233.6225@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael P Urban) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.132821.27352@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov18.210411.29484@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> >>wentzell@ace.acadiau.ca (LEEANN WENTZELL) writes:
> 
> >>: >Dragons last forever, but not so little boys.
> >            live
> 
> When PP&M now perform this song, the line is
> 
>    Dragons live forever, but not little girls and boys.

Almost.  ``A dragon lives forever, but not so girls and boys''.

Also, when they sing the final chorus, someone shouts out ``Present tense!'':

	``Puff the magic dragon, *lives* by the sea''.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: New Source of ULs Located! AFU Rejoices! Death of Net Predicted!
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:37:33 GMT

In article <2293@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida) writes:
>
>
>"I'd *never* carry a Donor Card because Doctors(tm) would rather use
>your organs to save one of *their* patients than bother attempting to
>save *your* life.  I don't know; some of these Doctors(tm) are a bit
>knife-happy.  It's true- they'll let you die on purpose; and they can,
>because you have a Donor Card and they want your organs and nobody will
>know."
>
>End of UL
>
>Nothing- I repeat *nothing*- would pursuade her that this contention was
>a load of unsubtantiated rubbish.  She was rather upset by our doubting
>the voracity of her story (nothing though compared to the effect of
>my merely questioning her *other* story about the FOAA (friend of an
>aunt) who woke up to find himself in the morgue).  The good (?) thing
>is, there's more- lots more- where this came from.  Frightening. 

I have it from friends who are med students (fwams) that for certain fields,
this is somewhat true, i.e., that certain procedures might/might not be used
with consideration for the consequences of organ donation, etc.

cjl
From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The hell with Lemurs,
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:33:36 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

pobermarck@intellicorp.com writes:

[I wrote]

>>Travis shooting Yeller in the corncrib because the dog had "hydrophobia"...
>                        ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~~
>
>Ouch!  I got kicked in the "corncrib" once, and it hurt like the Dickens!
>
>  Philip "Or did it hurt like the Disraeli?" Obermarck         

Furrfu!  Figures, one badly phrased clause and the world collapses...I gotta
start watching my grammar more closer...or something like that...

It probably hurt like ... well ... an extended snuff discussion...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dick "sprechen zie Aenglish?" Joltes			joltes@husc.harvard.edu
Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services 	joltes@husc.bitnet 
Harvard University Science Center

"Mind you, not as bad as the night Archie Pettigrew ate some
sheep's testicles for a bet...God, that bloody sheep kicked him..."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
From: mdiffin@crc.ac.uk (Dr. M.C. Diffin)
Subject: Re: Calvin/Hobbes diagnosed as clinical schizophrenic
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Please be serious
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:22:59 GMT

I have waded through a number of postings on this subject, and am not
impressed (apologies to Auden).  While some are not without merit, are
they entirely appropriate to this newsgroup?  I should have thought that
the inclusion of trivia is more likely to deter medical (and other
interested) readers and contributers than to attract; plenty of other newsgroups exist.  If you
see allegorical significance in the cartoons, why not pose the medical
question(s) arising directly?

Having vented my wrath, I am obliged to offer some apology to the
originator and contributors of the Calvin/Hobbes discussion.  IMHO this
exchange is by no means the worst I have seen on sci.med, but is
indicative of a trend.  I have benefitted greatly from information in
this forum, and should like to continue doing so, but I get annoyed when
I have to scan through lots of rubbish (or flames :-)).

This posting is perhaps in itself superfluous.  My apologies to all who
think so.

Michael.



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: What's lefse? (was Re: What's lutfisk?)
Organization: a2i network
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:34:57 GMT

In article <H.ea.pqaDiEJRXnA@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>what can you tell me about "sill"? my swedish and danish-derived husband
>says it's something like lutefisk, only edible.

Sill, or sild, is just good old-fashioned pickled herring:  fish cured in
seasoned brine without any lutefisky fermentation.  I love the stuff.

Phil

-- 
Phil Gustafson <phil@rahul.net>
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:37:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

  +>Where can I get this ["The Strecker Memorandum"] video?
  +
  +Yeah, sounds like a hoot.  We could all go round to someones place, have
  +a few beers and a highly amusing time.  
  +
  +Derek "Well it beats Jeopardy" Tearne

No way.  Jeopardy totally redeemed itself when Cheech Marin came on
and won the championship.

Terry "Say, isn't Jeopardy in the constitution?" Chan
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Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:47:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking wind (Was Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban

In alt.folklore.urban, u8802356@cs.uow.edu.au (Stephen Lance Rogan) writes:

> Thats silly.
> Where would your average soldier get hold of cattle, just to cross a bridge ?
> 
> Besides, aren't soldiers supposed to knock things down, or is that only
> th pioneers ?

So you're saying that the military invented cow tipping, to keep bridges
from collapsing?  Well, what if an entire company of soldiers tipped their
cows all at once?  The combined shock would be ... left as an exercise for
the interested student.


Regards
Ray Depew
Integrated Circuits Business Division
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
"London Bridge is falling down, and the cow jumped over the moon" 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
From: mdiffin@crc.ac.uk (Dr. M.C. Diffin)
Subject: Re: Smoke cigarettes -- leave early!
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:16:09 GMT

 >>I heard N = 5 minutes.  So 288 cigarettes takes a day out of your life, and
>
>Who cares how long or how fast their suicide is?  MYOB.
>
>How many minutes does second-hand smoke take off my life?

I am not aware of any convincing evidence relating passive smoking to
serious illness.  Perhaps someone would enlighten me.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.nude,alt.religion.kibology
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Driving without shoes
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:35:37 GMT

In article <1efl8lINNpj7@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>(3) This thread has *nothing* to do with rec.nude.  *PLEASE* delete rec.nude
>from the newsgroups line before replying to this thread.
>
>(4) That's (partly) what emergency/parking brakes are for.

Emergency/parking brakes are for rec.nude????  Wait!  I'm confused!

Ted "can't you impale yourself on those?" Frank
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Water Tower Suicide.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:00:59 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Nov18.154531.7851@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.044441.13854@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>>ObServation: Have you ever followed a stream in the middle of nowhere and 
>>thought to yourself "That looks tempting - it must be fresh and safe to 
>>drink".  Why is it that no matter when you decide to take that drink - a 
>>hundred metres upstream - just out of sight - there is a dead sheep in 
>>the water!   
>
>Because you're in New Zealand, and there are dead sheep everywhere, so
>there's always good odds that there'll be a dead sheep 100 m upstream.

Yes they're everywhere.  Seldom can one walk from one end of Queen street
(Downtown Auckland) to another with out tripping over a dead sheep.  
Most of the shops in Queen street will sell you a dead sheep if you 
wish (or alternatively a sheepskin kiwi or a plastic Tiki).

There are special sheep nets around the reservoirs to stop them from 
falling in the water.

All cars are fitted with compulsory sheep whistles.
 
>Ted "Monty Hall brings a dead goat, himself" Frank

Didn't Monty Hall once host a three sided game show?

Derek "Sheeps, We don' need no steenking sheeps" Tearne


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Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: rhamilt@husc10.harvard.edu (Rowan Hamilton)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Oh Shit (was Re: Nonsparking tools)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:39:22 GMT
 <17684@bcars664.bnr.ca><13NOV199209534100@csa3.lbl.gov><1992Nov16.162628.18692
 @geovision.gvc.com> <H.ea.fMoYu5rLtC_@harvee.billerica.ma.us>

scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) writes:

>In <1992Nov16.162628.18692@geovision.gvc.com>, Paul Tomblin writes:
>>jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>>
>>>Joe "Please inform the widow that his last words were, 'Oh, s***!'" Chew
>>
>>I read somewhere - I think it was Aviation Week and Space Technology - that
>>something like 90% of all crashes, the last words of the pilot on the black
>>box are "Oh, Shit!"

 	In the other 10% the last words are, "Looks like we screwed the 
pooch."


-- 
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hamilton@huhepl.harvard.edu                   hella shit."
hamilton@fnald.fnal.gov                   - casey@wackenhut.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa)
Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:31:30 GMT

>The previous poster muddled up the relevant point.
>
>Intel has confused what the notion of appending "SX" to the end of a
>prevailing design actually means.  It appeared that the poster fell into
>that trap as a result.
>
>In the 386 world, SX means 16-bit smaller version.
>
>In the 486 world, SX means co-processor braind-dead or missing.
>
>But there is this 16-bit 486 chip (non-Intel) that therefore can't be
>easily expressed in this notation.  486SX is what I'd like to call it, but
>that isn't quite right, so it's a 16-bit version of a 486SX is the best
>we can do.
>

I think they call it SLC or some such - and that chip is refered to as
a 486, because it has the on-chip cache, it really is the 386sx. This
is allowing them to re-cycle the 386sx motherboards with a more
marketing acceptable 486 part number.

<dp>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.151820.29036@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.175629.8155@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Who did you have in mind?
>
>Gore.  

I see no reason to believe that Gore would have been a noticeably
better campaigner in the 1992 primaries than the 1988 primaries.  He
*might* have been able to beat Bush (though he was barely able to handle
Quayle in a debate), but he surely wouldn't have gotten the chance.
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