From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Ashers!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:43:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.091548.17122@leland.Stanford.EDU>
jchien@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Crystal Fang-Chien) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.201647.21919@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>No one can try all activities, for there are too many.
>>There are a thousand and one possibilities, but that doesn't mean
>>that they all hold promise.
>
>	*amused laughter*  Sorry. I had to.  I think Dwight's
>(unintentional) misunderstanding of what I mean to impy is interesting.
>Using some common sense, one can determine which possibilities
>are probable in decreasing depression.

No, you misunderstand me.

When one is depressed, the people with bubbly cheer like you Jenny
almost always say, "But there's yet another road to explore
that will surely yield something better and make you happy."

Come on.  Just how many bloody roads are there?  And do we
have a f*cking infinite lifespan to explore all possibilities
until we get the one that makes us happy?  Sorry babe, that's
not the way it works.

For some people, there might be that needle in a haystack of 
possibilities, which produces the end result of happiness.
But finding that needle might take a lifetime of unhappiness;
in the end, you might die before you find the needle.

>	criteria could be as simple as: what activities have
>I enjoyed in the past?  what have other people suggested that
>sounds plausible?  what sources of stress in my life could i recognize
>(and therefore be aware to deal with)?

Sorry Jenny.  Life is not a minimax search algorithm supplemented
by alpha-beta pruning.

>	With Dwight's reasoning, one could imagine, that after
>I awake tomorrow morning, I could never get out of bed, because
>there are thousands of possibilites of what I could do, or how
>to get out of bed at all.  This reasoning is obviously an
>excuse to avoid thinking about any possibilites whatsoever.

Like f*ck it is.  Depressed people are depressed because they've
tried all j*cksh*t.  They are doers, not sloths.

It's just that everything they've tried winds up in a dead end.

We can't all have it as good as you babe.

>[babisms deleted]
>
>	I find this strangely curious.  Instead of answering
>seriously whether or not he has tried an approach with more positive
>aspects to it (not to say *entirely* positive-only), he simply
>avoids the question.  I find this response a self-evident,
>"No, I haven't tried it."  Or perhaps, "I don't want to talk about
>it."
>
>	If his response is "No", then I don't find that Dwight should be
>regarded as a source of accurate criticism about thinking more
>positively when he has never experienced this himself.
>
>	Speak now, or forever hold thy peace.

Is it asking too much for a babe like you to stop assuming what I
am?  I've never met you.

Nice verbal trick, by the way.  But like many people here, we don't want to
get into the details of our lives with strangers.  Don't assume anything
about me.

The only thing that I might have said is that I believe in the
Japanese philosophy of "shooganai".  But that's it.

>
>Jennifer

Later, babe.

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