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From: dparanka@bpa.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Denver Bike Shops
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:34:50 GMT
Distribution: na,local

In article <1992Nov16.233503.17310@mprgate.mpr.ca>, alfano@ (Nicholas Alfano) writes:
> Could some one suggest one or two good bike stores to visit in 
> downtown Denver, CO? I am interested in road racing and time
> trialing, not mountain biking.
> 
> I'm in the market for a new frame among other things.


I'd suggest the Denver Spoke - very professional shop, although not cheap.
From: kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca (Keiji Kanazawa)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Computer for Road and ATB?
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:52:03 GMT
Organization: UBC Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.cs.ubc.ca


What is the best cyclocomputer for use with both a road bike and an
ATB?  In other words, which computer makes it easiest to switch between
tire sizes, and will keep the right mileage between switches?  Am I
better off just buying two?  The computer *must* be waterproof.

Thanks.

--

Keiji Kanazawa
kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca
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From: paulo@ii.uib.no (Paul Olav Tvete stipendiat)
Subject: Re: NEEDED:  64-66cm road bike
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.150643.12197@walter.bellcore.com>, kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
|> A (tall) friend of mine is in the market for a road bike of the
|> abovementioned size.  If anyone has one, or knows of a manufacturer
|> of bikes this big, please drop me some email (or post).  Frankie
|> thanks you...

I tried to mail you, but it bounced. I've recently bought a 65 cm Miyata 110. It
is the cheapest road bike that Miyata makes, with 400 EX components.


-- 
Paul Olav Tvete;  paulo@ii.uib.no  ---- Ein # kan'kje vara evig, veit du. ----
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Saddles
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:21:11 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Has anyone tried the San Marco Titanio saddle?  It's about the same
weight as the Flight but has "wings" that extend down to cover the rails.
It may be more durable than the Flight.

Also similar to the Titanio but with a narrower stern for off-road use
is the Bontrager saddle.  It is available with hollow steel rails for
about $50.  I'd like to try one on my MTB.  Any one tried one?

How about the Dirt Research saddle?  Some of their parts have the best
$/gram saved ratios I've seen.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 11:26:54 EST
From: Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Opinions sought: SPD-compatible shoes for large feet

SPECIALIZED currently makes two models of their popular GroundControl
off-road SPD shoe, a third the GroundControl Trail is due next spring.

I have a set of the GroundControl (sugg ret $99.95)  and have been
very happy with them.  The work well as a regular shoe as well as
an off-road shoe.  The GC sport uses the same sole, but lacks the
GC's velcro closures over the laces and around the heel, it retails
for a respectable $49.95.

For you Roadies, the Specialized ProDog is a velcro closure,
comfortable SPD/Look compatible Road shoe that sells for around
$69.95.

    -----> Jon                                   Jon Carr
    -----> IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU               36 Forest Ave
                                                 Orono, ME 04473
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From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver)
Subject: Shimano Clipless for sale.
Organization: SPS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:35:11 GMT


I have a pair of Shimano PD-1056 clipless pedals 
for sale. They are compatible with Look style 
cleated shoes. They have two selectable release 
modes, S - outward only & M - multiple direction.
These pedals don't have lateral rotational. 
(unless you have the ARC cleats)

They come off of a new bike, but I use Time, so
I want to sell them. They show a little wear, 
so they were probably out on a couple of test 
rides, but are still in fine condition. 

The major mail order shops sell them for $87-95.
I'll sell them for $50, which includes shipping 
(in the US). Reply through e-mail please.

----
Dave Weaver                   |    __o    
Motorola ASIC / Chandler, AZ  |  _`\<,_   Red Mountain   
weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com    | (*)/ (*)  Cycling Club
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 12:26:58 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Flite Saddles for sale
 <1992Nov20.232917.21878@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> <27774@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
 <1992Nov23.140607.14015@eng.umd.edu>

Well, I'll put in my 2 cents, maybe that's all the Flite is worth.
* * * * CLOGS by Bicycling Magazine, but are these test riders only going
around the block.  After 30 miles, how do you spell relief?
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Flite Saddles for sale
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:46:15 GMT
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

We have three flite saddles for sale

One white slightly used - $20
One black slightly used - $20

and one black - worn significantly -  free with the purchase of 
one of the others.


I also have a set of 
Suntour Command Shifters (used for less than 2 hours )- $25.


pamela@keps.com
-- 
Pamela Blalock                                              pamela@keps.com
KEPS, 164 Lexington Road                                    11 down, 1 to go!
Billerica, MA 01821-3984   
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From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Sakae Rings & compat. w/Hyperglide
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:31:10 GMT

I am about to replace my Bio-pace rings on my MTB and I need to know if the
Sakae Platinum rings are compatible with Hyperglide chains & systems. I went
and bent the Bio-rings when I jumped a tree doing 20 mph. I'm hoping the Sakae
ring will hold up better.

NJC
From: brent_silver.msidb@qm.sri.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Avocet 50 "Climber" Problem
Summary: Bike computer problem
Keywords: Avocet 50
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:40:29 GMT
Reply-To: Brent Silver
Organization: SRI International


 I purchased an Avocet 50 in July and have been generally pleased with it. 
However, in recent weeks the altimeter has been going crazy.  During one
relatively flat ride I got 17,000' of climbing on my Avocet 50.  This was too
high by a couple of orders of magnitude.  I called Avocet and they described my
computer as a "climber," and suggested that I return it.

I took my unit into Palo Alto Bicycles (which is located under the offices of
Avocet) and was given a new unit in exchange, with no questions asked. The chap
at Palo Alto Bicycles said he had seen this problem before, and thought it was
due to water getting into the unit.  (Thinking back on it, my problem showed up
about the time we had our first rainstrom of the season here.)  He said the
unit is supposedly sealed, but as a precaution he suggested that I put two
small pieces of black electrical tape over:
1. the battery wells (on the bottom) and 
2. the function buttons (on the top). 
(Just be careful not to cover over the little hole that leds to the sensor for
the altimeter.)

I have followed his suggestion with no problems. However, we haven't had any
rain since, so will report later if the problem reappears.

While talking with Avocet, I complained about having to go into the set-up mode
just to change the time.  I was told that there is an easy way to do this that
is not described in the manual.  To reset the time:
1. Click the function button (right-side button) until the time is displayed.
2. Hold the function button down until the stop-watch time (top line) goes
blank (takes about 3 seconds).
3. The hour number will now flash.  Change the hour number by clicking the
option button (left-side button) until the desired hour is shown.  Accept this
hour number by pressing the function button (right-side button).
4. The minutes display will now flash.  Change the minutes by clicking the
option button (left button) until the desired minutes are shown.  Accept by
pressing the function button.  The top display line will return and you are now
done.  No other numbers have been changed.

I also suggested to Avocet that they should keep track of what goes on on the
Net.  They said that their consultant, Jobst Brandt, keeps them informed on
what is said about Avocet on the Net.  So your comments (presumably even this
one) do get back to Avocet.

Brent   
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From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Computer for Road and ATB?
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:11:49 EST

Thus spoke the keyboard of kanazawa@cs.ubc.ca (Keiji Kanazawa):
>
>What is the best cyclocomputer for use with both a road bike and an
>ATB?  In other words, which computer makes it easiest to switch between
>tire sizes, and will keep the right mileage between switches?  Am I
>better off just buying two?  The computer *must* be waterproof.

I would suggest that you buy two computers, one for each bike. Why?
Because the chance that you forget to change the wheelsize when moving
the computer from one bike to another is high.

I got one computer for each bike, and I got 4 bikes. No problem with
the wheelsize. However, I got only one heart rate monitor, and
sometime I forget to change my target zone after a time trial (higher
target zone when doing time trials compared to daily training).

All my computers are made by Cateye. They do not claim that theire
computers are water proof, but sofar they have been waterproof. My
Cateye vectra (6000 or 7000, can't remember) survived a 60 degree
centigrade wash in my washing machine, exept that both buttons has
been "pressed" down during the wash, so I couldn't read the trip
distance and time (big deal!).

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
* I went back to my mother,           * Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes             *
* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim              *
* She said, "I know how it feels son, * The Norwegian Institute of Tech.     *
* 'cause it runs in the family."      * Division of Physical Electronics     *
*       - The Who, Quadrophenia       * e-mail: dahl-stamnes@delab.sintef.no *
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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From: LEEJEFA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: TRIATHALON FRAME FOR SALE
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:26:33 EST

Selling 55cm specialized transition frame, aluminum fork w/headset, pink.
Asking $250 or best offer.  The bike is brand new and has never been ridden.
 
Jeffrey Lee
(203) 436-3060
jefflee@minerva.cis.yale.edu
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From: LEEJEFA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: NUKE PROOF BAR ENDS
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:22:56 EST

O.K. in previous article for Nuke Proof ends it was stated that the ends were
titanium.  Actually they are aluminum.  Sorry about that, but they still only
weigh 113 grams.
 
Jeffrey Lee
 
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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: NEEDED:  64-66cm road bike
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:06:43 GMT

A (tall) friend of mine is in the market for a road bike of the
abovementioned size.  If anyone has one, or knows of a manufacturer
of bikes this big, please drop me some email (or post).  Frankie
thanks you...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: "Ben Wildasin" <bwildasi@whale.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Summary: wheels
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:16:05 -0500


A couple days ago, I posted a question asking what components I should use
for a light but strong set of road wheels for recreational club rides. I
weigh about 140 lbs and the roads here are steep and bumpy. So, here's what
I decided on based on net replies and other sources.

Rims: Most people suggested Mavic Open 4 Argent. Matrix apparently has
quality control problems; MA-40s are hard-anodized, a tad heavier and not
as strong.

Spokes: I'll use DT 14/15/14 rear and 15/16/15 front, which many
respondents confidently recommended as being more than adequate. Several
people suggested 15/16/15 rear but that might be a bit risky. No-one seems
to like straight 15-gauge. Nearly everyone agreed that 32 front and rear
would be plenty.  On the extremes, one person suggested 28 and another 36.

Nipples: The Colorado Cyclist catalog and most people who commented
recommended aluminum nipples for the Open 4. I have confidence in the DT
brand name as well.

Hubs: Bullseyes seem to be a favorite. I would be very interested to know
about the different brands of lightweight skewers suitable for use with
Bullseyes. One person mentioned that American Classic skewers are
unreliable but they seem to be generally well-liked.

Rim strips and tubes: Generally Velox strips and light butyl tubes seem to
be widely used and to work well.

Tires: Everyone recommended Conti 23s. I'd get SuperSport Ultras with
Kevlar bead, except these don't seem to be available through mail order.
Anyone know if the GP's CC sells are Kevlar or steel?

Thanks for all the replies and any final comments you might have on my
choice of components. Also I welcome suggestions on skewers and where to
get Continental tires.
-- 
"I know that this is vitriol                 | Ben Wildasin
 no solutions, spleen-venting                |
 but I feel better having screamed on you"   | bwildasi@cs.indiana.edu
                      --R.E.M., "Ignoreland" | bwildasi@indiana.bitnet
From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Cannondale Bikes and United Kingdom
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:11:15 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Hi there.

	I'm posting this question for a friend, so please mail any responses
to me, as I don't read this group regularly.

	My friend is considering the purchase of a Cannondale Mountain bike.
He is wondering what kind of price to expect, and which models are better
than others, feature-wise, etc.

	For those in the U.K., how much does a Cannondale bike sell for over
there, (new and used prices?).

	Thanks muchly.
	-steve


.............................................................................
   swinokur%cellar@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com -or- swinokur@cellar.uucp
                           GEnie: S.WINOKUR  -or-
                  435 Norristown Road, Horsham PA, 19044
..................... Amiga: Hey, at least it works! ........................
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 18:48:48 MST
From: SEAN P. GARRETT <IDSPG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Racing Wheels for Sale

I am posting for my roomate.

1 set of road racing wheels that are one year old, never used!!!
  Sun Mistral wheels (anodized)
  32/DT spokes
  Sachs hubs/freewheel, 12-21 7 speed (Shimano/Campy compatable)
  Continetial Sprinter 250, 22mm sew ups

This equipment is all new, rode once in the parking lot (< 1 mile).
Will accept any resonable offer, reply directly to me...
IDSPG@ASUACAD.Bitnet
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From: limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim)
Subject: Wanted: Flite Saddle
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:35:49 GMT

Anybody want to sell their titanium Flite saddle?  I'm interested.
If the price is right,  I'll pay shipping too.  Must be in 
reasonable condition (minor wear ok.)

Send eMail to limd@arraytech.com

-Davin Lim
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From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 3 Computer Questions
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:15:58 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Just got a MTB, but will mainly be commuting for now.  I am looking fora
>computer to cover both on/off-road functions.  Main thing I want for th
>commuting is cadence to get in shape during the commute.  I don't see mch
>need for the altimeter.

I just picked up a Timex (forget the name).  This probably isn't the
world's most complete computer, but it's high on gadget value.  The
computer consists of the wiring (cadence and speed) which runs into a
housing that accepts a *watch* which has bike computer functions built
in.  The main advantages of this computer are : The watch is rated for
50M submersion (deeper than *I* ride, not sure about Dave Hill), so I
doubt that even a Florida rainstorm will hurt it much.  If I forget my
watch, hey --- no problem (happened once).  It was on sale for $25 at
the Timex dealer in the local mall (mwall in NJ).  The down side is it
doesn't have average speed function... but since I ride the bike to
commute over the same course every day, the stopwatch is what matters.

Just a thought.......

Mark (on your left) Hickey
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From: mcclella@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Gary McClelland)
Subject: Re: Denver Bike Shops
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:38:57 GMT

uphhsbt@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.233503.17310@mprgate.mpr.ca>, alfano@>Could some one suggest one or two good bike stores to visit in 
>>downtown Denver, CO? I am interested in road racing and time
>>trialing, not mountain biking.

>I would check out Turin bikes and The Denver Spoke.  Both are good pro shops
>and have friendly, intelligent employees.  If you want a custom frame, try
>taking a drive to Lousiville (near Boulder about 10 miles west of Denver.  Zinn
>bikes is located here and I know of friends who have all sorts of exotic
>carbon, aluminum, and other bikes and swear by their Zinn.  He takes all the 
>measurements and then builds the bike to fit you.  Quality stuff

Unless they've moved _very_ recently, Zinn Custom Bicyles is at
4715 N. Broadway in Boulder, not Louisville.

gary mcclelland
univ of colorado
mcclella@yertle.colorado.edu

>>
>>I'm in the market for a new frame among other things.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>-- 
>>Nicholas P. Alfano (Nick)
>>Mail Station 24B, Dept. D47
>>MPR Teltech Ltd.
>>8999 Nelson Way				Phone: (604) 293 5342
>>Burnaby, BC				Fax: (604) 293 5787
>>Canada V5A 4B5				Email: alfano@mprgate.mpr.ca
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From: daveh@heart.tv.tek.com (David M. Hayes)
Subject: Re: Seeking non-anodized sew-up rims
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:56:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.092207.20711@walter.cray.com> bschwart@ferris.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz) writes:
>I'm looking for some rims for a set of track wheels. I'm finding that the
>tubular rim market is dominated by rims that are heavier, darker, and more
>expensive than I'd like. What I'm hoping to find is something comparable
>to the old Arc en Ciel, polished silver, ~360 grams, with eyelets. Dark rims
>either weigh 25% more or are extremely fragile and, as Jobst says, to make
>up for it they cost more.
>
"Extremely fragile" is, in my experience, a gross exaggeration. The common 
anodized rims are quite strong. Perhaps not quite as strong as "argent" rims,
but strong enough for most uses and users. Anodizing is, of course, a waste
on rims that will be used on the track (no braking).
>
> Does anybody know of a source for non-anodized, <400 gram tubular rims?

I recently bought some Campy "chrono" rims, advertised at 290 grams, from R&A
Cycles in, I believe, New York. They advertise in VeloNews. Unfortunately, the
rims were not inexpensive, at around $65/pair. I have laced this pair onto some
track hubs, but have used the same rim on my "Crit" wheels with excellent 
results. (The Crit wheels used to have Fiamme "Ergal" rims that may even have
been lighter). If you use these rims on the track, even if you are more than my
approx. 155 pounds, they should be very durable. I've never had trouble with
loose eyelets with these rims, as I have with GEL280s (they tend to "creak").

If you can use 36 hole rims, I have one (maybe two, I'll have to look) Fiamme
Red Label--never used--that I could probably be persuaded to part with.

Dave (wheels 'R' us) Hayes

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From: jsr@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Joe Riel 3752)
Subject: A cheap way to measure spoke tension
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:58:16 GMT

I use the following method to approximate spoke tension:

1. Mark the middle of two adjacent parallel spokes.

2. Measure the distance, Dnominal, between the two marks. 

3. Use a spring scale to squeeze the two spokes together.  I have a
   portable fish scale which can be hooked between the two spokes.
   The force should be applied at the marks on the spokes.

4. Measure the new distance, Dsqueeze, between the marks.


The tension of the spokes can be calculated from,

   Tension = (1/2) * Force * Spoke_Length / (Dnominal - Dsqueeze)

   Spoke_Length is from the nipple to the bend at the hub.

Because the difference in distances, Dnominal - Dsqueeze, is
relatively small this method isn't highly accurate, however, it is
instructive to record the tension following each round of tightening
(when building a wheel the proper procedure is to true the wheel,
tighten all the spokes, and then retrue the wheel). 

Joe Riel
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Anyone besides Sears selling NON-mountain bikes in Boston area?
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:35:33 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <GPLAN.92Nov19105245@ra.cs.umb.edu> gplan@cs.umb.edu (George Planansky) writes:
>All I find in the bicycle shops in the Boston area are mountainoid
>bikes, which is not what I am looking for at this time.  Where can I 
>get an ok touring bike, to replace my Fuji S12s?
>
>If there were such a thing and it didn't cost a fortune, something
>that looked like a touring bike (swept down handlebars, meant to
>take effective fenders, ... ) but had a more robust frame, forks & 
>wheels, and could take somewhat wider tires, would be really nice.  

Have you considered a drop-bar hybrid?  Bianchi's Volpe comes to
mind, and would fit your description.  Also, the discontinued
Bridgestone RB-T and discontinued (is there a trend here?) Miyata
Alumicross should be available (relatively) cheaply.

>George
>george@tusk.med.harvard.edu


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
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From: ehernand@athena.mit.edu (Edward Hernandez)
Subject: Re: 3 Computer Questions
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:27:17 GMT

	If you're referring to the Timex Velotrak watch/computer, I hate to tell
you this but those things are bad news.  I had a serious problem with the contacts
and was constantly sending it back to the Timex service center.  If all you need 
is a stopwatch, you're set.  But the cadence may screw up on you sooner or later.
It also doesn't react to water very well, apparently.


						Eddie Hernandez
						ehernand@athena.mit.edu
						Mass. Inst. of Tech.
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