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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:55:03 EDT
From:         EGALE@KENTVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students
              19 Nov 1992 10:09:53 -0700 from <MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>

Michelle-

I checked out my userid command in my gally account and it tells me that

Patty's userid is "11PGUIDERA@GALLUA.GALLAUDET.EDU".  She last logged in

on Nov, 18.  Ummmm, try this and hope it works.  If not, then try the finger

command Adam suggested.

Good Luck,

Elaine
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:48:20 -0400
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Subject:      Re: My bio...

Hehehe, Angeli!  I love what you said "what would I do when I become a SEEIE!"
Is that a term used by the blindies?  Er, is that a politically correct term?
Just as we call ourselves deafies, and *them* hearies? ;)
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Subject: Re: Technicolor Captions

 <"IGJC-5517-1052/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>

Correction...here in Britain, they do not close caption 'nearly everything'
- it is still highly selective and comes to about 1/5 of prime time.  The
captioning is not 'closed' in the U.S. manner but is done via the teletext
feature which is available on some models of television sets at higher cost.
Teletext is, if you're not familiar with it, a sort of video magazine with
hundreds of pages of news and information...travel, arriving flights, weather,
stock reports, sports, etc.  Of the 4 channels we have available here, two
carry news of interest to deaf people covering several pages.  Being an
American ex-patriate I've lived with both captioning systems and prefer the
British because of the colors, and all the other services that are there for
any viewer and not just those who want the captions.  It is my understanding
that in the pioneer days of captioning in America, when CBS was holding out for
something different...it is this British system they had in mind.  They were
right to consider it superior but were heavily criticized for believing so.
I would also add that the British system is able to place the captions anywhere
on the screen and I understand the new decoder chip for the U.S. comes coser
to the British features (without all of the other goodies that come with the
general video 'magazine.')
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From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Technicolor Captions
              11 Nov 1992 18:30:41 CST <9211162159.AA29406@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

    Kimberly Laird says:
    One interesting item I noticed is that they use different colored
    captions for each speaker. Just an example of how our British cousins
    are ahead of us....

The American standard TV encoding format, NTSC, has a lower resolution
than the British/European variety, PAL, because Europe chose its standard
at a later date, when TV technology was more advanced.  I don't know
how teletext is implemented in Britain, but US closed captions are
jammed into the signal in a very roundabout fashion, because the original
NTSC standard didn't have any provision for closed captions.

Anyway, the British developed their standards later than we did, so
they aren't locked into an earlier technology--so in a sense, they are
taking advantage of being *behind* us.

  :-) |~  (smiley face waving a flag ;-)

Do the proposed high-definition TV standards have provisions for
closed-captioning?  Anybody have details on that?
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:17:52 EDT
From:         Amy Dileno <6751D098@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What is going on here??

Kevin-
     Today is November 16th, and I have had several notes from the DEAF-L
list.  If you are still not receiving mail from this list, why not send a
note to the list owner?  Hope this helped you some.
                                         Amy Dileno
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Subject: re: 60 mins story

 <"JGJC-5520-1397/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>

One of our teacher training textbooks on deafness by Edna Levine describes the
4 or 5 levels of sound...I've been out of school for many years so I am fuzzy
but one of the most subtle levels, yet psychologically most valuable is that
level that makes one feel a part of the environment.  It is a level more subtle
than your noisy computer terminals and sirens.  Hope this is enough to jog
someone's memory with a more detailed reply.  Just don't dismiss the value of
those sounds!

Judy Tingley, Great Britain
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From: tspindle@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (tom spindler)
Subject: Question from a hearie...
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:42:27 GMT

How do people usually communicate with hearies when there isn't a tty or
TDD or interpreter around? Lots of pen and paper? Or doesn't it come up
that much?

(Sorry if the question is a faux pas.)

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From:         "Stephen J. Kotchen" <CASK@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      USA had one already!!

> Matt writes:
>
> >Deaf can do anything such as president of the U.S., Astronauts,
> >Computer Programmer, Salespersons, etc.. U.S. has a high quality of
> >technology that we are able to overcome the communication barrier
> >such as using P.C., Pager, TDD, Video, and much, much more.
>

  I though you already knew that Ronald Reagan is hearing impaired since
accident at movie sence in early 1960's or late 1950's.  He is afraid to
get label "DEAF".

--Stephen Kotchen

> I have seen deaf programmers (myself included), salespeople, etc. But
> I have NOT seen a deaf US president. It is POSSIBLE that a deaf person can
> become one, but until now there has not been one. I dont think you can make
> a conclusion about that.
>
> There have been Deaf university presidents, yes.
>
> Maybe you should endeavour to become the first deaf president?
>
> Adam\
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:28:49 -0500
From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      re: 60 mins story

Jill,

Environmental sounds do, of course, include the noisy things you've mentioned.
But they also include a host of 'small' sounds that are almost un-noticed
by a person with normal hearing until they are missing.  Such things as the
sound of wind or a breeze, tree leaves moving, dogs in the distance barking,
footsteps, water running or boiling, the jangle of a bunch of dog tags, and
on and on and on.  No one, I think, would suggest that jack-hammers or
printers, or some of the other loud noises are helpful.  But the ordinary
small sounds of life are really missed when you know what they were.  I saw
one note, can't remember where, from a person who had become deaf as an
adult or maybe someone did a questionaire of such people.  Anyway, they/he/she
felt disconnected from life and unable to contact their (for simplicity)
surroundings.

By the way, the lack of sounds in snow is quite different from the lack of
sounds I experience with hearing loss.  Since I've become HoH, when I don't
have my hearing aids on, I HAVE got sounds in my head--some is tinnitis, but
some just seems a relatively quiet buzz or hum.  Guess I should have said
some is annoying and clearly labelable (is there such a word?) as tinnitis.
Snow, when I could hear enough to tell the difference, is totally quiet,
muffled.  Except, sometimes, when you walk on it and it crunches under foot
with a different feel, but also with a soft crunching sound.  Again I had a
sense of disconnection from the world, which in that situation was exciting
and interesting.  However, you knew that as soon as the snow melted or you
went indoors you would connect again to the multitude of small sounds that
signalled that all was well.  With HoH (or adult or late childhood onset
deafness) that reconnection is difficult or impossible.  Serious matter
psychologically.

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:21:39 EDT
From:         Amy Dileno <6751D098@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What is going on here??

Stephen-
     The last note was meant to go to you but I put the name Kevin.  Sorry
about that.
             Amy Dileno
From: ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET (David James)
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Subject: Re: My bio...
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:23:00 GMT
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Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>:
    Some blind folks refer to themselves as 'blinks'.  I don't
    think I've seen them refer to 'seeies' but I'm not sure.

You probably haven't. The corresponding slang term for sighted
people is "winks".

--David James
ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET
DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:48:00 EST
From:         PS308LEC@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laura...

Allison- I just sent you another message with my code...but I see you already
got it????? Anyway, your welcome for the e-mail message and the joke is cute!
-Laura
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:27:08 -0700
From:         MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students

well, then don't read it!!
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:24:34 EST
From:         "Matthew Norman" <CAMN@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Death wish

> Lew Golan says:-
> >     No matter how you rationalize it, you are saying that your feelings
> >and your language are more important than the best interests of your future
> >children -- who, if they are born deaf (as you desire), will face a
> >lifetime of struggle, frustration, deprivation, discrimination, isolation,
> >underachievement and other disadvantages which they would not encounter if
> >they were born hearing.
> >     Life is tough enough without the added burden of deafness.
> >     I wouldn't wish that on anyone -- least of all my own children.
>
Hey dim wit Lew,

    I wonder if you mean DEATH WISH, instead of deaf wish.
"...Deaf person marrying Deaf wife or husband is like shooting ones
self in the foot" and now this.  Come on! Expand your limited mind.
Why don't you establish your own discussion group called "Deaf-DEATH-
WISH-l"?

-Matt Norman
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:20:46 -0500
From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      vibes
              18 Nov 1992 06:50:38 GMT <9211180855.AA17364@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

    Angeli Wahlstedt says:
    However, I can tell ya that I'm still surrounded by "environmental
    vibrations"...

If I suddenly became deaf, one of the first things I'd do is go to a
punk-rock club with very loud music, and meditate upon the experience
of *feeling* loud music without *hearing* it ... i.e., weird out my
whole sensory-processing intuitions.

A mindf--k is a terrible thing to waste.
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:33:47 -0400
From:         CXLNVD@RITVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Re:60 Minutes

Yes, it's akin to the Christian Scientists' belief that praying can cure
all medical illnesses.  Who are we to say they are wrong.  They have a
constitutional right to group, associate, and to say whatever they want
to say.  Also same goes for the Indians who want to use peyote mushrooms
as part of their religious rituals.  The Santa'mia who want to do animal
sacrifices (this case is before the Supreme Court now).  Just as
people honestly and thoroughly believe some set of beliefs, I wouldn't
go as far as saying that cochlear implants are some sort of 'religion.'
Religion involves some degree of faith, and cannot be proven or disproven
(no offense to anyone, mind you, and let me squelch this possible 'flame'
war! ;)  )

Anyway, it is my perception that parents who decide that their kids is to
have cochlear implants only do so after looking at *all* options, and that
the kid has no immeasurable benefit from hearing aids whatsoever!  What's
wrong with giving some degree of sound-perception (even though it's just
a tinkle or sound warning the child that someone is coming near and nothing
more) than no sound whatsoever at all.  I'm not sure and am not entirely
convinced that the child must have some say in this decision, because they
are incapable of giving informed consent (hence parental consent here), and
the parents, by far, are the best judges and responsible parties, to make
the decision for what *they* think is in the best interests of the child.

Grin -- if I allowed every child to have some say in a decision, they
wouldn't get their cavities filled with me! (I'm a dentist!)  So even
if it's painful and horrible on the part of the child's experience,
it's in their best interest to have those fillings.  If the parents
say "no" -- then they are told that without their kid getting fillings,
the kid could lose those teeth, lose space resulting in crooked teeth,
abscesses (pain, etc.) and so forth, but I'm not the one who decides
for the parents!  I also recommend second opinions for the parents to
go see another dentist or have my partner come in and explain that he/she
agrees with my opinion.  I'm pretty sure that these parents would take
their time to decide, especially if it takes up some time, money, and efforts!

I would defend the parents' right to choose an education for their kid if it's
sign language, total communication, etc.  So, if I see some benefits of CIs
for *some* deaf kids (if it's recommended by everyone involved), then this
does NOT mean I'm against Deaf culture, sign language, etc.

Enjoy the day.  Take time out to smell the flowers.  Don't sweat the small
stuff.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:46:26 GMT
From:         Bosco Keown <keown@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      deaf wish

Ref:  Kimberly's posting of Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:43:26 CST

>You say that a child with hearing will sail
>thru life? Not so. Everyone has problems of one kind or
>another, no matter what their physical status is, or their
>preferred religion, cultural background... whatever.
>In my note to Cathy Brandt, I mentioned precisely this...
>You can empathize with other people's problems without
>pitying them, because all of us have problems, feel isolated,
>and so forth, regardless of whether we hear or not!

Kimberly --

This is very true, but I didn't explicitly say that a child
with hearing *will* sail through life. I wrote that there's
a *good chance* that it will. A small difference in choice
of words, but a largely different interpretation perhaps?

Bosco.

Bosco Keown,
CICS/6000 Development,         | VNET     : KEOWN at WINVMC
IBM UK Laboratories, Ltd.,     | IBMIPNET : keown@harpo.hursley.ibm.com
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:51:56 EST
From:         "Dave Windley, Data Comm Specialist X799" <AADW@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Speechreading statistics

> arry Kirkland says:
>
>
>
> QUESTIONS: The only question I have is: does anyone knows research authorities
> for proving that only the best deaf lipreaders achieve 20-30% understanding of
> what someone says to them? I just need the authority author name, journal, etc
>
>
> Thanks for asking this question, I have wondered this myself.  It seems like
> a piece of folklore myself.  I know I can read about 85% of words on the lips,
> am profoundly, prelingually deaf, and when people spout that "20-30%" number
> it seems unproven a figure to me since it has gained so much currency.  Not th
>     I am knocking anyone's need for sign language, but I *do* like to have my
> facts straight and be able to quote facts knowing that I have the sources to
> back Barry and I up!
>
> Ciao!
>
> Chris Lehfeldt


Chris:

I cannot quote the source of information, but my recent Linguistics
course reinforced the point that an expert speechreader can actually
identify 40% of spoken words from a familiar mouth speaking about a
familiar subject.  Unruly beards and moustaches, mumbling speakers,
poor lighting, and other environmental factors will only reduce that
percentage of speechread words.

Bear in mind, though that a lot of speechreading is guesswork.  The
speechreader does not "need" to get every word, as they are able to
"fill in the blanks" once they know what is being talked about.

I hope this information is partially helpful.  Perhaps you should
contact the department of Linguistics at Gallaudet.  I believe they
might have some information for you.
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      Data Communications Specialist          800 South Rolling Road
      Sign Interpreter                     CATONSVILLE MD 21228-9987
      ALL Inc. Co-Founder                      Voice: (410) 455-4799
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From:         11ASONES@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Adler..

Hiya, I'm having trouble sending you electronic mail. Can you send me
your access name please?
                   Thanks, Allison
From: vlb@MAGIC.AUX.APPLE.COM (Vicki Brown)
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  Vicki Brown
  A/UX Development Group            Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA
  Internet: vlb@apple.com           AppleLink: VICKI.BROWN


>Hiya...excuse me for intruding, but I just discovered this newsgroup. What is
>DEAF-L, and is it open to anyone? (By the way, I'm deaf which is why this
>newsgroup caught my eye. :-)

Hi, and welcome.
As someone has probably already said, DEAF-L is for discussion of deafness and
related issues.  About a quarter to a third of us are interested hearies, the
others are deaf, Deaf, HoH, etc.  As you stay with DEAF-L, you'll see the
terminology wars come and go! :-)

The list is open to anyone who is interested in the topic.  We prefer polite
discussion, but as you will see, the list is not moderated, so some "less than
polite" stuff does get in on occasion.

In large part, we're a good bunch of people.  ' Hope you like it here.
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From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Subject: Cochlear Implant Musings.
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:55:18 GMT

Musings on the CI thingie:

I support wholeheartedly that parents alone should have the right to decide
what's right for their deaf child, no matter how misguided they may be. I don't
like it, but there are certain inalienable rights, and this is one. In this
sense parents with the money have the right to choose CI for their deaf child,
and support their child in their best means possible.

As for my personal opinion, I'm against CI's for they are extremely invasive,
and if implemented in early stages, the deaf child becomes patient for life.
Also, there is still rigorous training required to keep the speech and auditory
processes intact in the child, anyway. Secondly, if it ain't broken, don't fix
it! Who are those people to judge that deafness is 'broken', 'defective' or
just plain undesireable, and try to 'fix' it? Ahh, the norms of society rears
its ugly head. Suppose it was a deaf culture out there in the world which is
dominant, and a hearing born is considered a 'defect', and there are 'hearing'
institutions to take care of the special educational needs of the 'hearing'?
Would the deaf parents choose to pop the cochlear into nothingness, so their
child can fit the 'norms' of society? It just doesn't hold water.

Well, that's all for now, and best regards,

Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUA (Bitnet)
11TELLIOTT@GALLUA.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:16:07 -0500
From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      PC as TDD?

    Dave Windley reminds us:
    TDD, like "hearing-impaired", "speech-impaired", "visually-impaired",
    and "crippled" are terms that are approved terminology by our
    government, but were never discussed with the community they are
    supposed to represent.  For this reason, Deaf people typically do not
    use them.

Aside from that ... "tee-tee-why" is easier to lipread than "tee-dee-dee",
and "T-T-Y" is easier to fingerspell than "T-D-D".
--
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From: "richard wyble" <richard.wyble@channel1.com>
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Subject: tdd to pc comm?
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:47:18 EST
Reply-To: "richard wyble" <richard.wyble@channel1.com>
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Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Is there an easy way for an 'off-the-shelf' TDD to communicate with a PC
modem? What software would be required?

I would appreciate any suggestions, including referrals to more knowledgable
sources. My motive? Desire to communicate more easily with my non-hearing
brother who lives in another state. Thank you!

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