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From: andrzej.taramina@rose.com (andrzej taramina)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: JHP's In Canada??
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:47:30 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.


Date Entered: 07-30-92 00:39

Someone recently mentioned that Hollowpoints are illegal in handguns
in Canada (or at least Ontario).  Anyone out there familiar with
Canuck law that can verify or deny this statement?

Sure would like to know since I have a box of .357 JHP's that would
go great in my 686 revolver!

Many thanks for the clarification.........

#From the 'broidery 'droid........Andrzej
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From: slv4b@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Scope Mount Question
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:37:10 GMT
Organization: Utah State University


    I just purchased a a Bushnell Sportview 3x9 scope for my SKS.  The mount
completely replaces the back receiver cover, and is made by B-Square.  I've
never had to mount a scope on a rifle before and my question is this:
   Is it better to have a gunsmith do this right, or is it simple enough for me
to mount and bore sight the scope myself?  Any advice and\or suggestions would
be greatly appreciated.

Lance Robinson
Utah State University
From: larrigan@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (John Larrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rockchucker primer
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:58:08 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

edsr!kjs@uunet.UU.NET (Kevin Sedota) writes:

I'm no expert but i have used one of these things so here goes.

#1. Is the fear of the tube of primers exploding a serious one.

I've never seen this happen (or know anybody it has happened to) but I
suppose if it did it happen some serious injury could result especally
eye injuries.

#2. Assuming it is not is there a trick to using it. I can get it to work and
#   I assume it's going to take a little practice to get comfortable with it
#   but it seems to be prone to jamming. By jamming I mean when I first put
#   the loaded tube in, the first few primers seem to not want to drop into
#   the pocket on the primer cup cleanly. 

I had this problem also, but only when I accidently let the priming arm go
and the spring tension smacked it against the primer release assembly.
It took quite a bit of fudging around to get it working propberly again.
Maybe the tube is the wrong size.  

#   Also somehow several of the primers seems to have been pressed into the
#   primer pocket of the case sideways. You can't really see what is going on
#   under the shell holder so I can only assume that the primer was not seated
#   in the cup fully and it rubbed against something on the way in and tilted
#   itself on it's side. (Of course it sould be the house gremlin !@%%$ )
#3. If you are done priming cases and there are primers left in the tube how
#   do you remove the tube without sending the primers all over the place.
#   The coter pin hole is to far up the tube and anyway I don't really relish 
#   the idea of jamming it in to a tube loaded with primers.

I think the best thing to do is count the number of primers you put in the 
tube. 

I honestly think this process is a pain in the butt, but it is my uncles
reloader and he doesn't mind it.  Maybe I'll get him a hand primer for 
Christmas!!!

John L.
From: barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Olympic Shooting Results 7/30/92
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:55:42 GMT
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.

CBS Radio Reports (Morning Jul. 30):

Womens 3-Position Smallbore Rifle:

	Gold:	Launi Meill (USA)

	NOTE: I will have the scores when they come out in the paper
              tomorrow. Mabey NBC will show this since an USA team
	      member won! (I doubt it....)
			   
			  

Olympic results according to the Los Angeles Times:


Mens Free Pistol:

	Gold:	Konstantine Louachik (CIS)	658.0 -	567 + 91
	Silver:	Wang Yifu (China)		657.0 - 565 + 92
	Bronze:	Ragnar Skanaker (Sweden)	657.0 - 566 + 91

	USA: 4th Darius Young			655.0 - 566 + 89 

Mens 50-Meter Free Rifle:

	Gold:	Lee Eun Chui (S. Korea)		702.5 - 597 + 105.5
	Silver:	Harald Stenvaag (Norway)	701.4 -
	Bronze:	Stevan Pletikosic (Yugoslavia)	701.1 -

	NOTE: Breakdown of scores was not given.

	USA:18th Michael Anti			594

Womens Air Rifle:

	Gold:	Yeo Kab Soon (S. Korea)			498.2 - 
	Silver:	Vesela Nikolaeva Letcheva (Bulgaria)	495.3 -
	Bronze: Aranka Binder (Yugoslavia)		495.1 -

	NOTE: Breakdown of scores was not given.

	USA:11th Launi Meill & Debbie Sinclair		391


Mens Air Rifle:

	Gold:	Yuri Fedkin (CIS) 		695.3 - 593 + 102.3
	Silver:	Franck Badiou (France) 		691.9 - 591 + 100.9
	Bronze: Johann Riederer (Germany)	691.7 - 590 + 101.7

	USA:7th	Robert Foth			689.4 - 590 +  99.4

Mens Air Pistol:

	Gold:	Wang Yifu (China)		684.8 - 585 +  99.8
	Silver: Serguei Pyjianov (CIS)		684.1 - 584 + 100.1
	Bronze: Sorin Babii (Romania)		684.1 - 586 +  98.1

	USA:14th Ben Amonette				577


Skeet:

	Gold:	Zhang Shan (China)		223   - 200 +  23
	Silver: Juan Jorge Giha Yanur (Peru)	222   - 198 +  24
	Bronze:	Bruno Mario Rossetti (Italy)	222   - 198 +  24

	USA:6th	Matt Dryke			221   - 198 +  23

	NOTE: This event was open to both men and women. Gold medalist
	Zhang Shan is a woman and the first person ever to shoot a perfect
	200 in olympic competion. This is the last time that women will be
	allowed to compete in skeet (in '96 sheet will be an all mens
	competition). The tie between Juan Jorge Giha Yanur of Peru and
	Bruno Mario Rossetti of Italy was decided in a shoot-off.

Womens Free Pistol

	Gold:	Marina Logvinenko (CIS)			684.0
	Silver: Li Duihong (China)			680.0
	Bronze: Dorzhsureb Munkhbayar (Mongolia)	679.0

	NOTE: Breakdown of scores was not given.

	USA:24th Roxane Thompson 		572
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From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: M1 Garand/M1A history & differences?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:12:39 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <9207210938.AA02403@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu>, by raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man):
# #The Garand was also used in Nam.  As you may have observed, when
# #the Garand fires its last round it makes a distinctive "t-ting"
# #sound as it ejects the clip.  Victor Charlie observed this and ...
# 
# I have heard of the "t-ting" sound problem when the clip fallen
# on freeze ground in WWII, probably at the time of the Battle of
# the Bulge. However, I cannot imagine a VC can hear that good in
# a jungle.
#

If my memory serves, the sound is made when the clip leaves the
gun.  I think it is caused by the springiness (sp?) of the clip,
it is released and smacks the receiver (?).  
 
# The US Army were already buying M16 in the hundreds of thousands in 
# 1958 - 1961, so I guess very few VC had the good fortune to run into
# an M1.
# 
# Could that just be a rehash of the old WWII legend?

Well, Henry Schaffer (?sp - I think it was Henry) wrote me that
he had heard the story, but involving the Pacific Theater.  I
haven't heard from any Korean War Vets yet, but yes, it might be
a war legend.  The sound, as best I can remember from 3 or so
years ago is distinctive though, and I _think_ it would carry
well under many different conditions.

Didn't we give a lot of M1 Garands and carbines to the South
Vietnamese?
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Xref: sparky rec.guns:10845 talk.politics.guns:17883
From: rpalmer@Think.COM (Ralph Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Views of Bush and Clinton
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:34:18 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA

Could someone please post the views of the political candidates on
gun control issues.  In keeping with the charter of rec.guns please
keep the posts factual and non emotional.  

The Boston Globe reported today that Clinton supports gun ownership for
"hunting rifles", favors the Brady Bill and made some noise on a  magazine
limit.  Could someone please post more details. 

					Ralph Palmer
					rpalmer@think.com

[MODERATOR:  While having more light and less heat is desirable 
here in r.g., I know from experience that this sort of things 
turns from informational into very political very quickly.  I'm
posting the original request here in r.g. so folks can get hold
of Ralph off-line if they like, and also know where the thread
goes ... which is off to t.p.g.   I will offer this, however, 
if someone follows the thread over there, excerpts representative
posts, and writes a balanced summary of how things wound down,
then I'd love to insert *one* post here as a service (also with
"Followup-To" set to t.p.g....).  Thanks, all! ]
From: vapspgd@prism.gatech.edu (Edward Hefter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Airporyt Security (fwd)
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:58:09 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I've got a "me too."

I was flying back from LAX to Atlanta, and I got stopped at Airport security.
I realized that I had my Leatherman (like a Swiss Army Knife, only better!)
in my pocket and thought that had probably set it off.  The kind folks at
security wanted me to empty my pockets.  I pulled out the Leatherman, opened
it into a pair of pliers, and they had no trouble with that at all.  I must
have neglected to mention that there was a 3 1/2 inch blade in there also.  :-)

The guards, however, zeroed in on my keychain.  I have a 9mm bullet on it
(cotter pin through primer hole), and they went crazy!  The conversation went
something like this:

Me   -"Sir, it's not a real bullet."
Guard-'I know that.  But you can't bring it on board.'
"But it's not loaded, there's no powder!"
'I understand, but, hm, let me get my supervisor...'
"OK, fine."
Super-'I'm sorry sir, but you can't bring a bullet on board'
"But it isn't real!  It's a fake!  It has no powder!"
'Yes sir, but you can't bring it on.'
"But there is NO WAY for this to go off!!!  It won't even fit in a gun!! Look
at this cotter pin!"
'Fine sir, but you can't bring it on.'

By this time, I was picturing my plane taking off, so I asked what I should
do with the offending item.  They said I needed to check it.  Yes, check a
9mm keychain.  They said they had small boxes for it.

I thanked them for their "patience and understanding," left the area, took
the bullet off my keychain and stuffed it in my wallet, went through security
again, took out my wallet, my non-offending Leatherman with 3.5" knife, and 
my now bullet-less keychain, and had no trouble.

Moral:
  It's OK to bring weapons, as long as they don't *LOOK* dangerous!
-- 
                                Edward Hefter
                   Trying To Survive the Ga Tech Experience
                         vapspgd@prism.gatech.edu
From: marcel@hpindvm.cupnews0 (Marcel Burlet)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Gun List
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:37:27 GMT
Organization: HP Termio


Hi:

Does anyone out there have a source for "Gun List"?; Or for that
matter, any addresses for other "classified advertisers".  I'm in the
market for some new toys, especially an air-rifle (a walther LGR), but
Shotgun News doesn't seem to have the sort of info I need.  Email
replies if you want to save bandwidth, post away if the moderator
thinks this is of general interest.


M
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From: kkrh@troi.cc.rochester.edu (K. Karcich)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: M-98 Israeli Mausers?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:55:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <9207260222.AA00945@unix.cie.rpi.edu> vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten) writes:

#I made the mistake recently of letting a friend of mine leaf through one
#of my old copies of _Guns and Ammo_.  She found a piece where Garry James
#mentioned that there has recently been "great numbers of Israeli M-98
#Mausers... brought into The United States...."  These rifles have been
#re-chambered by FN to 7.62 NATO, and James estimates their worth/cost to
#be $85-125.  Supposedly they are in pretty good condition for surplus
#rifles.  So naturally, she wants one, since she knows that there's an
#extra walnut stock blank down down in the basement in my workshop that
#hasn't been delegated to any other project yet.  (Ugh.  Does she realize
#there are three different contours on an M-98 barrel???)
#     Well, we went down to the "candy store" (the gun show in Albany this
#afternoon) and found only *one* of these rifles in the whole darn show.
#The chap that had it wanted $175 for it, which is quite a bit out of her
#budget.  So, does anyone know a cheaper source for one of these rifles?
#I don't get SGN, but borrowed an old copy (March?) from a friend and I
#found no mention of any such rifles in it.
#     Also, how easy is it to drill and tap one of them for a scope mount?
#Can it be done in a simple home shop or are the tolerances too stringent?
#Actually, stocking a multi-contour barrelled rifle sounds scary enough
#by itself. :-)

It can be done but be careful because more good rifles have been ruined at
this point than any other. Also, you will have to deal with altering the
bolt by forging or welding and install a new trigger with side safety or 
install a buehler scope safety. Expensive if you add all this up for a 
cheap rifle unless you do it yourself.

A less costly approach is not to alter anything on the rifle and get a 
B-square mount that mounts on the rear sight.

regds,

Ken Karcich

#     As ever, any help or pointers from any of my fellow gunners are
#*greatly* appreciated.


#John

#******************************************************************************
#               John S. Van Etten     vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu
#       Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute  1000 MIPS GaAs F-RISC Project
#       --"If sand didn't irritate oysters, there would be no pearls"--
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AVOIDING GETTING MISTAKENLY SHOT
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:36:43 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory, APG, MD.


In article <1992Jul19.061249.21042@athena.mit.edu> sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman) writes:
#impersoning an officer is prohibited, but if you carried the badge
#concealed, I don't see how anyone could argue you were trying to 
#impersonate an officer.

Oh, really?  What other purpose could you have in carrying such a badge?

#... if you had to hold a perp for the police, you could clip the badge onto
#your belt and it might prevent you from being accidently shot by the first
#boys who showed up.

I don't see how -- IF (and it's a big IF) you would be shot by "the first
boys who showed up" wearing a fake badge probably wouldn't provide any
protection.

#What's worse--getting mistakenly shot by the cops, or getting a
#fine for impersonating an officer?

What are the respective odds?  I think very low for the former and very
high for the latter.  You need to take the likelihoods into account as
well as the relative values if the outcomes were to occur.  For a complete
exposition of rational mathematical decision making, see the writings of
I.J. Good.

#In other words, the badge would be unquestionably legal until you pulled
#it out and used it as a "don't shoot me" sign.

"Unquestionably" is a bit strong, but in any case the only time the badge
would be a factor would be if you DID use it.
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Shooting in Dumps (was: Disconnector Malfunctions)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:30:01 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <58989@mimsy.umd.edu>, gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar) writes:
[...]> 
# The tires, these stand about 5 feet tall, are very effective at stopping
# bullets. On diametral shots, the only bullets that will penetrate fully
# both sets of treads are Nosler Partition, of the soft points, or the
# more energetic FMJ's. The 7.62x39 and the .223 FMJ's will not do it. You
# can pick them up off the ground in the center. 
# 
# Since these are off-road construction tires, they are of a very soft 
# composition and that may account for the lack of ricochets. Come to think
# of it I don't remember seeing any bullets lying up range of the tires like
# I used to with the older back stop materials, but there are a lot of bullets
# sticking in only to their bases.
# 

Hmmmm, wouldn't the base of a bullet be a pretty good surface for a
ricochet?

Wouldn't it only be a matter of time before a bullet strikes one of those
bullets "sticking in only to their bases?"

I wouldn't want to be around at that particular time.


-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: JHP's In Canada??
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:10:09 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <m0mDagg-0001seC@rose.com> andrzej.taramina@rose.com (andrzej taramina) writes:
#
#Date Entered: 07-30-92 00:39
#
#Someone recently mentioned that Hollowpoints are illegal in handguns
#in Canada (or at least Ontario).  Anyone out there familiar with
#Canuck law that can verify or deny this statement?

I believe that posession is not illegal, however, it it illegal to load
them into a handgun (even if you're just target shooting).

The last time I went to Canada with my 1911's (and proper paperwork), the
customs agent at the airport wanted to know if I had any hollowpoint 
ammo (though he didn't look at it - just asked).



Rob Boudrie
rboudrie@chpc.org
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Ricochets
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:33:46 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA


 jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) writes:

#When Reagan visited Purdue, I had a couple of pocketknives in my
#pockets and the detector they were using that day thought I was
#its daddy.  The guy using it let me through though.  I guess he
#thought the Secret Service could gun me down before I could get
#close enough to harm the president ;-{). (Oh, it found my keys
#and pocket change as well.)

	For anybody who enjoys a good laugh on this, watch the movie
"Spinal Tap."  'Nuff said on that.  I went through the Washington DC
airport three days after the ground war had started in Operation
Desert Storm.  The metal detectors picked up the screw in my left
ankle, and there were pistols drawn until I had taken off my shoe,
the scar shown, and the rest of my body scanned by a portable unit.

	After that I was treated fairly nicely, and the guns put away.
Whoever decided a Glock might make it through was an idiot.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >
From: hope@multix.no (Andreas Hope)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Modifying choke on shotguns
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:58:11 GMT
Organization: Multix A.S


Does anybody know how you open the choke on a shotgun with without removable
chokes?

Most shotguns still around have fixed chokes, and I dearly would like 
to open up mine from full choke and 3/4 to cylinder and 1/4 choke.
This would give me a gun more suited for the ptarmigan hunting I do
as well as making the use of steel shot more safe.
(steel shot create very high pressure if run through a full choke)

My gunsmith charges approx $90 per barrel for this procedure.

As I normally do a lot of gunsmithing myself, I would like to do this
procedure as well. I believe the procedure is simply honing up the barrel
mouth from 17.4mm (full choke) to the desired (18.4mm for cylinder)

Have anybody got experience with this, or know of a company that produce
the required tool?


Andreas hope



-- 
-Andreas Hope
From: sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Ricochets
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:42:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Jul22.235146.3324
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

#    BTW, since I posted the article about the BB hit in the nasal opening, I
# neglected to say that the BB is still there. The doctor that I went to see
# also thought that surgery was also not needed. I don't have any "trouble"
# with it, but a few years ago I went to England and it set off the metal
# detector in BOTH airports. Try and explain THAT to their security! I must
# admit that the security in England were MUCH more relaxed than here. Here,
# weapons were drawn and I was carted away. Not too cool.

When Reagan visited my high school, David H. Hickman in Columbia, MO, in
1986, I walked through the detector with a full ring of keys, and it
didn't go off.  I guess the detectors used in airports are set to lower
threshold?  (I've never been on a plane.)