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From: lracker@eos.ncsu.edu (LARRY RAY ACKER)
Subject: Re: Where will Joe go?
Originator: lracker@c00064-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: lracker@eos.ncsu.edu (LARRY RAY ACKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:19:16 GMT


In article <1993Jan1.215022.28462@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
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> From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
> Subject: Re: Where will Joe go?
> Message-ID: <1993Jan1.215022.28462@cis.ohio-state.edu>
> Sender: news@cis.ohio-state.edu (NETnews        )
> Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
> References: <1992Dec31.174730.24957@odin.corp.sgi.com> <GILFORD.92Dec31141341@lexus.vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 16:50:22 EST
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> 
> In article <GILFORD.92Dec31141341@lexus.vuse.vanderbilt.edu> gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi) writes:
> >In article <1992Dec31.174730.24957@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes) writes:
> 
> >   Where is he going to be playing next year?
> 
> >   L. A. Raiders??
> 
> Maybe.
> 
> >   My guess is:       Minnesota
> 
> Maybe.
> 
> >After the Herschel Walker fiasco I was wondering how much Minnesota
> >will be willing to give to the 49ers.  If Montana is traded how much
> >do you think he is worth?
> 
> The 49ers won't get much for Montana--he's too old and not at all
> a good thing.
> 
> My far-fetched prediction:  Green Bay (Holmgren & Wolf) picks
> Montana up for a conditional 6th round pick.  Majkowski's not
> likely to stay in GB, and Montana (regardless of whether he wants
> to start) would be a good backup for Favre for the next couple of
> years.
> 
> -- 
>       "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
> 		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin
> 
> -- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
> 
You have all got to be kidding. If Montana is playing like he was before he got 
hurt, San Francisco will not get rid of him. If they were planning on letting
him go, they would not have kept on IR for two years.  Also, I doubt that 
Joe would accept a second string position unless it was at San Francisco.
I believe he said in an interview that he wanted to stay with the 49ers and 
that if he felt he was playing as well as he used to, he would not be a backup.
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From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: Re: I HAVE EXTENDED IT ONE EXTRA WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:24:28 GMT

OK, the way it's gonna work is, I will be manning the computer from about 10am
CST, to 12pm.  If anyone would like to place a bet, then would be the best time
to do so.  OK.

Here are the odds as of 1/8/93


Team                Odds        
San Francisco       6-5
San Diego           4-1
Dallas              5-1 
Washington          9-1
Philadelphia       11-1
Buffalo            18-1
Miami              28-1
Pittsburgh         28-1


_________________________________________________________________________
The World Reknowned Jason Boskey       | Mail:  Bosk@uiuc.edu           |
Known throughout the world as the Bosk |  "Christ you know it ain't easy|
All Rights Reserved, All Lefts Enhanced|   You know how hard it can be  |
                                       |   The way things are going     |
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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kelly to play vs. M ami
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:36:50 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan12.232358.11319@ccd.harris.com> dht@controls.ccd.harris.com (Danh Tran) writes:
>Let me say this.  If Kelly is not playing this week and Reich somehow can 
>lead the Bills to a third consecutive win, then there will be a big 
>controversy of who would be the starting QB in SB.  If Reich can guide
>the Bills to SB, then obviously noone should deny him a chance to play
>one more game in SB.  He might be the one who would get them to the SB rings.
>
>However, what about Kelly?  He is always their QB, right!  In my opinion,
>I think Kelly understands the situation very well.  With Reich as a starting

Kelly understands the situation? I think not. He is an over-egotistical cry
baby who has already said that he wants to play Sunday in the championship
game. He can't stand that Reich is making him look bad, and wants to win
this game to bring attention to himself. But, in reality, an unhealthy
Kelly will just lose the game for the Bills by throwing INTs, fumbling the
ball, and calling bad plays. Keep Reich in there! He's done outstanding so
far, so why bench him? He has opened up the offense that was stagnant with
Kelly in the last few weeks. If Kelly plays Sunday, it will only hurt his
career.

>QB this week and with a win, Kelly can say good bye to the SB.  Instead, he
>will stand on the sideline and watch Reich performs.  So, it is better late
>or forever.   No matter how he feels about his arm or his knee, Kelly must
>start this week if he wants to be part of the SB (provide that they win this 
>week). 
>
>The solution is to have the Dolphins win.  Period.  Need I say more ????
>
>Danh Tran
From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins SHUT OUT Chargers!
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:47:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <56a.03QQc8wk00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>
>  The Dolphins were piling a ton of guys on the front line- 8 or more at
>times- forcing San Diego to throw a lot.  The San Diego QB had a horrible
>day with something like four or five interceptions- two by Troy Vincent,
>one by Cox, (both are rookies) and the last one by Louis Oliver to seal
>the fate.

BBBZZZZZZTTTTTTTTT!!!  Oh, I'm sorry, Doug ... that's wrong, but
thanks for playing anyway!  Bryan Cox is a second-year man and the
only Dolphin defensive player to make the pro-bowl this year!

>Miami actually scored a rushing touchdown in the second
>half by Carver(?)- and it was more than 10 yards away form the endzone.

The gentleman's name is Aaron Craver, and he's been a Dolphin for 3
years now.  He was supposed to be the third down back that would
replace Jim "Crash" Jensen when he was drafted.  He didn't play very
well two years ago and last year, he didn't see much action. This year
he didn't play because Bobby Humphrey was the third down back and
Craver was injured early in the season and placed on injured reserve.

Yesterday, Mr. Craver had 72 yards rushing on 9 carries, including the
TD run, which was a thing of beauty.  Not only did he show decent
speed to the outside, but he showed some power when he ran right over
the SD  defensive back on his way to the endzone.

>  Miami summary- defense created the turnovers, and Miami was able to
>capitalize on all of them.  Miami was also able to limit the number of
>mistakes they made at the same time.  Marino three passing touchdowns in 
>this one game alone, when in the last 5 games he was averaging 1 touchdown 
>pass a game.  He picked a fine time to peak :-)

Curt

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions

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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: Nobody Does it Better
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:01:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro

In article <1993Jan5.204638.18445@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
carol@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (alan.galinsky) wrote:
> 
> I really don't understand all this Madden bashing.
> Big John's not perfect but who does a better job?
> 
> Maybe I am in the minority but I enjoy John's insight, observations
> and humor.  I think he has the ability to point out subtleties that
> can make a dull game interesting and an interesting game a classic.
> 
> Again, who do you think does a better job than John?  Better yet,
> which team does a better job than Pat and John?  

I'm not in love with Madden these days - maybe it's familiarity breeding
contempt - but it seems like he's punching the goofy babble harder than 
he used to. That aside, he still knows what he's talking about, which
puts him in the top 3 or 4 no matter what. Pat Summerall, despite the
fact that he's an obnoxious rude vicious drunk (ask anyone who's met
him) off mike, is a quite capable and steady play-by-play man. They
may still be the best as a team.

My favorite color commentator right now, which is no surprise to 
those who regularly read my babblings, is Todd Christensen. He
knows what he's seeing, shockingly displays his intelligence, and
has a good flair for words (even when he gets too fond of the
really long ones). The others?

Beware!

Randy Cross: the "say no to steroids" poster boy. buffoon.
Joe Theismann: better in Burt Reynolds movies.

=====
Joe Sterbenc - Intelligent Vehicle Highway Systems - Motorola
All opinions are my own, but can be rented for reasonable rates
sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com
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From: jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin)
Subject: Re: Bills/Oilers: Home field edge?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:16:30 GMT

In article <sterbenc-040193103116@150.130.23.185> sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc) writes:
>To write off the 18-on-11 advantage Buffalo enjoyed during the second half
>yesterday as home field advantage is an insult to home fields everywhere.
>
>The referees gave Buffalo a BIG headstart on their historic comeback,
>[...]

I agree there exist the usual somewhat-subtle advantages the home team often
has, but the Bills-Oilers game took this to a new level (even worse than a
particular 3-point loss the Supersonics had to a certain NBA-leading team
down south a couple weeks back, but that's a whole 'nother story).  I am
neither a Bills nor an Oilers fan, and I even dislike Houston more, but the
Oilers were just plain ripped -- especially that "interception" in the OT. 
Nothing more to it...

>By the way, this game confimed my sneaking suspicion that Christensen (sp?)
>is the best announcer NBC has. He was terrific all day long, with one slip
>when he and Charlie got a bit schmaltzy before the OT started.
This hit me as well (I guess I missed their 'schmaltzy slip').  I had all
but lost hope in the networks' ability to find a decent group of
announcers until Christensen (correct sp) was hired on.  Just excellent
work, day in, day out (much akin to Bob Costas' amazing consistency in the
studio).

All IMHO, of course...

John
--
 John E. Martin    jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu      University of Puget Sound '92
    Kent, WA     (formerly martin@ups.edu)   SeinfeldSuperSonicsBC++RushDWeckl
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL STIKES AGAIN!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:10:30 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan7.132435.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>hi there it,s hamish here again, with just a few points to take up with all
>you flammers.
>Firstly i am SCOTTISH not bloody English so cut out your references to soccer
>violence.This as always been a problem in England, but even they have it under
>control know.In Scotland we have the best behaved fans in the world,at the
>last world cup we were congratulated for our impecable behaviou in italy and at


Scottish, English, whatever there all the same, why don't you write about
the Royal Family or something, Geeeze were supposed to take this seriously,
from a guy who wears a skirt...

Tell you what,
If the US wanted to field a soccer team we would do it like we did
our olympic basketball team, then go around the world and crush your
scottish (skirt wearing) Poodles....
You got that Fifi !!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.....
From: barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Relatively Few Posts from 9ers/Redskins Fans
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:49:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In <1993Jan8.152207.1236@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> jangi@ccs.northeastern.edu (Shrirang Jangi) writes:


>	How about the best cheerleaders in NFL? I'd say the Cowgirls
>	cheerleaders look mighty good in their outfits.

I went to the Rams-Niners game in Anaheim, and I'd vote for the Rams 
cheerleaders (whatever they are called).

A friend of mine is a rabid Raiders fan, went to a couple of games
down south, and swears that the Raiderettes are the sexiest cheerleaders
in the NFL.

I'm a confirmed Forty Niner fan, but the "Gold Rush" just doesn't qualify...

BAh

GO NINERS!!

(wof) (not quite a woof)


--
+ Barrey Jewall - Network  Admin.++  and yea, though I walk through the shadow 
+ barrey@novell.com	         ++ of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am
+ Novell, Inc.- San Jose, Calif. ++ the meanest sonofabitch in the valley...
From: rhoads@riches.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas on Real Grass
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:06:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads

In article <1isolrINNko5@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
 >>
 >>Can some one post the Cowboys record for this season. I'd like to get an
 >>idea of how they play on real grass. I think the field conditions are really
 >>going to favor SF this week, mainly because thay played there last week.
 >>It will be a great game and I wish both teams and their fans good luck
 >  
 > Dallas on Grass:
 > 
 > 10-25 at Raiders    1-0
 > 11-22 at Phoenix    2-0
 > 12-6  at Denver     3-0
 > 12-13 at Washington 3-1
 > 
 > And on the road too !!!!!

Of course all their grass games are on the road.  Their home field is
astroturf!

-- Glenn Rhoads
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:07:43 GMT
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys at Last!
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) / 11:23 am  Jan 11, 1993 /

>The 49ers COULD NOT run sweeps against the Redskins because of the
>field.  Almost all of Waters' runs were straight up the gut.  The

HUH?!?!?!?! This is almost the exact opposite of what happened!
Waters (as well as anyone on the 'Skins) could not run in the middle of
the field where conditions were the worst.  His best runs were to the
outside, though it is true they weren't classic "sweeps".

- Gary Rosen
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Montana ...a poor sport?
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:27:28 GMT

In article <C0I5Ev.JIn@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>I'm curious, don't y'all wonder how poorly Joe accepts his back-up role,

Joe is being Joe, one of the most competitive players in the game.  He
has had 13 different operations in his 13 year career.  He wants to
play!  How many players can you think of that have great talent but
no will to play and win?  Joe has it - and it is what made him great.
Now, people want Joe to accept his role as a backup, and wonder why
he won't - its because he is a competitor and wants to play!!!!!

>especially when compared with Young?  How long has Young been a "team
>player"?  

Young has been a team player since he joined SF back in 1987.  If you
define "team player" as putting the interest of his team in front of
his own personal football goals.  Up until last year there was no
question that Montana was better for the 49ers than Young.  Can you
imagine ANY other talented QB in the NFL being as quiet as Young?
Young WANTS to play for the 49ers.  He is NOW the best QB for the
49ers.  And the best thing for the 49er team is to play Young now.

>-- 
>
>Gary Beason    			      
>Purdue University
>bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu


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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Niners Defeat Deadskins, Selves
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:33:38 GMT

<1993Jan10.001717.14544@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) :
>The San Francisco Forty-Niners took the first postseason step toward
>the Big Dance this afternoon by defeating the Washington Redskins 20-13
>in a game that was well-played in all aspects.
>
>
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>
>
>What a piece of garbage.  This was a mostly spastic, fluky and 
>utterly ugly game by both teams.  After an impressive drive by the
>Niners on their first possession for a TD (which was mostly attained
>by passing), both teams settled in for an afternoon of "Can You Top
>This?"  Lowlights included:
[delete]

Mike, I just heard a radio report and apparently the temperature of hell
has hit 31 degrees F.  Since that occured I have to say I agree with your
assessment in just about every way.  The 9ers were looking for any way to
let the Skins win, but the Skins couldn't use any handouts - they had
Rypien and managed to lose fine on their own.

Personally, I can only think that Montana warming up on the sidelines had
Young rattled. ;-)  Seriously, he didn't look like the MVP of his own
team, let alone the league.


Gordon
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Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:09:14 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <1993Jan12.010003.10972@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes:
>In article <C0oH8t.MH@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>What is this deal with the free agency when a player can't sign with whoever
>>he wants? I heard today during the Cowboy game that a player can't sign with
>>the final four teams (i.e. the teams in the AFC/NFC Championship games). I
>>guess what they mean is that certain players can't sign with those times (i.e.
>>Reggie White to San Francisco). This is ridiculous! The NBA or MLB have no
>>such restrictions. It is not a fair rule at all. Once again it is restricted
>>free agency.
>>What is everyone else's opinion on this?
>
>I think that a team signing on players while they're in the
>playoffs would be ludicrous! Sounds like a fine rule to me.
>
Three possibilities for this post:

1)  Matt really advocates playoff teams (now almost half the league) signing
   no free agents.  Er...who won the AFC Central, Matt?  Doncha want Reggie
   White?

2)  Matt is confused, and thinks that this means to protect against the
   possibility that teams might sign free agents between the regular season
   and playoffs.  Er...no, this has nothing to do with that...

3)  Matt is making a joke.  Just in case, ROTFL.


-- 
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 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe Montana's future
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:51:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Dec31.231036.2452@oracle.us.oracle.com>, sramesh@us.oracle.com (Life is virtual) writes...

> 
>	I have been following the discussions about Joe Montana's future
>teams. Does anyone think he may end up in KC? I mean, they do need a QB and
>if Joe plays like he used to, they may be legitimate super bowl contenders
>next year. Any scoops in Kansas papers?
> 
>Kreig fans: No offense, but IMO, the Chiefs will be much better off with Joe.

Traditionally -- and I'll admit that doesn't mean much lately -- teams trade 
for a 35+ year old QB only if 1) they've been a playoff contender for 
a few years and 2) they think that all they need to put them over the 
top is a QB.

IMHO, the team that fits this the most seems to be KC.  I don't know 
anything about KC's GM.  Is Schottenheimer the GM?  I can't remember 
hearing about any other trades like this involving KC so maybe they're 
not inclined to make trades.  (The team with which I am most familiar, 
Green Bay, has a GM who likes to make trades but GB doesn't need a 
QB.)

Other possibilities ...

Raiders: But they might feel that they need more than a QB and so be 
unwilling to take a chance that if they just acquire Montana, '93 will 
be "their year".

Redskins: In the past they often were willing to give up draft 
choices for veterans.  With a draft choice meaning so much less now 
they might be even more willing.  But they might be happy to stick with 
Rypien.

Vikings: Probably a little leary of makings big trades.  I believe the 
people that made The Walker Mistake are gone though so maybe.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: toughest schedule in '92?
From: dhart@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:25:52 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

Does anyone know definitavely which team had the toughest schedule in 1992? 
After reading some recent posts, I suspect it was the Eagles.

49ers
Cowboys
Cowboys
Saints
Vikings
Chiefs
Redskins
Redskins
Packers
Raiders
Broncos
Giants
Giants
Cardinals
Cardinals
Seahawks

And keep in mind that the poor records of the Giants and Cards include 6 games
each against the Eagles, Cowboys and Redskins, 3 of the 4 best teams in the
NFC.  Still, just taking into account the total records of all opponents, does
anyone know who had the hardest schedule this season?

-Dorian
From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Giants Wooo Wannstedt ...
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:15:03 GMT
Organization: Yale University

Heard it last night on the 11:PM news.

Giants officially asked Dallas permission to talk with Wannstedt after the 
Dallas season is over.

Whew......... I was wondering what was taking them so long. :-)
:-) :-) :-)
 
I cant imagine him turning it down.  I dont know much about him except that 
he has worked wonders in Dallas, and that bodes well for the re-emergence of 
the Big Blue Wreckin Crew.  (Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!)

Can some Dallas fans give me some info on him.  I only watched a few of the 
Dallas games (the ones I watched were DAMN IMPRESSIVE though)

Can you give me some info on the changes he made to the Dallas D over the 
last few years.  How long was he with Dallas anyway?  I know JJ holds him in 
high regard also.  

Ya gotta wonder how JJ will feel if he goes to a division rival (then again 
I dont see the jints being anyones rival for next few years  :-(   ) 

Then again, a good defense can work wonders...

Adriene (WOOOOOOOOF, Giants in 93 with a new coach!!!! PSYCH!)