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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:02:21 EDT
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Monty Hall Paradox (was Re: Physics-1A Question)
 <1992Oct6.135048.18308@Princeton.EDU> <1992Oct6.163641.3227@wuecl.wustl.edu>
 <1992Oct7.211840.11410@EE.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Oct7.211840.11410@EE.Stanford.EDU>, mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
says:
>
>seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>
>    [shahrokh's puzzle deleted]
>
>>Wrong! "Given that #2 is empty", #1 and #3 are again equiprobable, and this
>is
>>consistent with intuition, because your first choice (of #1) doesn't affect
>>anything. For a simple proof of this, consider x1,x2,x3 as three random
>>variables representing the state of the doors. x1=0 means no prize behind
>>door #1, x1=1 means there is a prize behind door #1, and so on. Obviously
>>x1+x2+x3=1. Now P(x1=1,x3=0 | x2=0)=P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)/P(x2=0). P(x2=0) is
>>the "apriori" probability, therefore P(x2=0)=1-P(x2=1)=2/3
>>P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)=P(x1=1) because x1+x2+x3=1, therefore it equals 1/3.
>>So the final "conditional" probability is equal to (1/3)/(2/3)=1/2, which
>>is the desired result.
>
>'What the hell' [(c) Zafar, 92] are you talking about? Why don't you
>just 'shut up' [(c) Seyyed, 92] when you have no knowlegde of
>probability.   :-)
>
>This is the well known Monty Hall Paradox. I waited a couple of
>days for some net.probability.god to shed some light on Seyyed's
>reply, but there was none. So here we go:
>
>The problem (a reworded version of Shahrokh's puzzle):
>
> => You are a participant on "Let's Make a Deal." Monty Hall shows you
> => three closed doors.  He tells you that two of the closed doors have a
> => goat behind them and that one of the doors has a new car behind it.
> => You pick one door, but before you open it, Monty opens one of the two
> => remaining doors and shows that it hides a goat.  He then offers you a
> => chance to switch doors with the remaining closed door.  Is it to your
> => advantage to do so?
>
>For a detailed solution you can refer to the solution offered by Steve
>Selvin in [American Statistician, Feb 1975, V. 29, No. 1, p. 67] under
>the title ``A Problem in Probability.''
>
>Surprisingly, he received several letters from the readers of American
>Statistician contesting the accuracy of his solution (just like Seyyed
>has done), so he responded in another article two issues later
>[American Statistician, Aug 1975, V. 29, No. 3, p. 134], part of which
>follows:



     For a more recent discussion, see The American Statistician, Volume 45,
     Number 4, November of 1991( I think). Several incorrect solutions are
     analyzed as well. However, as posted before, there is no "correct"
     solution to the problem. It all depends on the hosts strategy or the
     number of assumptions you are willing to make. It can be said that
     it pays to switch (probability is at least a half).


RezA
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Get back to your homework Shahrokh!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:58:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Oct12.205914.13682@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <ldjhgfINN9vs@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>
>Why should I waste my time trying to teach elementary probability to you? Hey,
>instead of interfering with a serious discussion that I am doing with others,
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
						       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hahahahahahahah!  what 'others'???  you seem have engaged yourself
in a discussion with yourself!  ive heard of a good Therapist who 
specializes in people who carry probability theory discussions by
themselves.  ill send you his number.

ps dont let the similarity of the words 'Therapist' and 'The rapist'
awaken any perverted sexual behaviours in you!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Khomeini's tomb exploded
Keywords: Ammeh Jooon
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:35:50 GMT

AghA Behzad writes:
|> Farhad khAn wrote:  :-)
|> >
|> >I too had a hard time believing MKO,  but I called Iran and it was
|> >confirmed.  It was not as big as MKO described.
|> >
|> >quote from:  Ammeh Jon.   :-)
|> 
|> i don't know farhad. this sounds awfuly fishy. is your ammeh joon
|> a member of mko by any chance?
|> 
|> behzad

As far as I know my Ammmeh Jooon hates their guts (MKO) and she
aint proud of IRI either! 

Hey who knows  I have not seen my Ammeh Jooon for 15 years.
This 70 years old women could be an MKO undercover agent.
I'll call her and ask her if she is an spy!!!

Now that you asked I am being suspicious, See she has been
stopped or yelled at for improper HejAb,  She likes the yelling
"Zaneekeh  khodeto bepooosh"  for a little hair comming out
of her Rooosari.

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi)
Subject: Re: What to think?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:23:45 GMT

Mr. Sehari replies to Ms Karimnamazi as such:

|> And maybe you have not discover our vast cultural variation.  We have it all
|> in our culture, the polite, the rude?!, the secular, the spiritual, the warriors
|> , the peace lovers, the optimist, the pessimist, the religious, the atheist,
|> the communists, the capitalists, the sexists, the feminists, the chovanist,
|> and most other ists that you may or may not heard it in your life!
|> 
|> Being American, you should not have any problem understanding this.  See you
|> got Jesse Jackson, and you have David Duke, you have heavy metal, you have
|> gospel songs, you have churches, you have mustang ranch, you have Alabama,
|> you have California, you have Alaska, you have Arizona, you have pro-choice,
|> you have pro-life, you have The Wall Street Journal, you have the new republic,
|> you have PHDs, you have high school drop outs, you have homeless, you have
|> people with private air plain, you have KKK, you have the gangs....
|> 
|> You define what does it mean to be "an American", then I'll tell you
|> what does it mean to be "an Iranian"!
|> 
|>                      With highest regards,
|>                           Babak   Sehari.

Mr. Sehari,
May I once again say Marhaba! to you, and this time without a
hint of sarcasm in it?
Nice answer, and not a single insult in it.

naghmeh
From: benf@next.com (Ben Fathi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Konar, Khuzistan and a quiz
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:47:59 GMT

In article <BvrKGt.5yE@encore.com> samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri) writes:
>
>Soheila (missing getting hit in the head by the stones thrown to the konar
>	 tree..) Sigh.... Sigh....

gofti va dardam rA tAzeh kardi... double sigh...

BTW, you're not supposed to throw stones at the konar tree. The following three
approaches were preferred in my days:

1. Throw "dampAyee" or "kafsh". It hurts a lot less when it hits you in the
   head.

2. Get together with your cousins (as many as possible). Convince the most
   "tokhs" cousin to climb the tree and shake the branches. Then stand under
    the tree and collect.

3. Intelligent khoozestani's have always planted konar trees near their houses.
   In these cases, you need simply to get yourself to the roof and reach over
   to the branches.

Yours in productive konar harvesting...

	ben
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: WOW... there is *still* confusion over this...
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:24:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel


its amazing, but some people (thru e-mail) have indicated that
despite their 'love' for seyed, it doesnt make any difference
if you switch or not.

here's a simple program, which simulates the puzzle with three
doors, and shows that your original choice remains a 1/3 bet:

#include <stdio.h>

int prizes[3];
int choices[3];

main()
{


  int i, prize, choice, win = 0;
   
  for (i = 0; i<10000; i++) {
        prize = random() % 3;  /* shahrokh puts a cookie behind a door randomly */
        prizes[ prize ] ++;
 	choice = random() % 3; /* seyed makes a choice randomly */
	choices[ choice ] ++;

  /* at this point, sharokh says ajee majee laa tarajee, kaatee kooti malakooti */
  /* and opens a door without a prize and offers seyed to switch.  seyed, in his */
  /* his infinite wisdom, decides that it doesnt make a difference and choses */
  /* to stay with his choice */

  /* staying with original pick 'choice' is a win if the prize happens */
  /* to be there: */

  	if (prize == choice) 
		win ++;

  }

  printf("Prizes : 1 = %d, 2 = %d, 3 = %d\n", prizes[0], prizes[1], prizes[2]);
  printf("choices: 1 = %d, 2 = %d, 3 = %d\n", choices[0], choices[1], choices[2]);
  printf("# of wins out of 10,000 if you stay with original chocie = %d\n", win);
         

#ifdef SEYED
  	printf("\nooouuuaaaaaa, ooooouuuuaaaaaa :( \n");
	printf("\ndont feel bad seyed, we all make mistakes...\n");
#endif

}


and heres the output:

[handel:94] a.out
a.out
Prizes : 1 = 3384, 2 = 3286, 3 = 3330
choices: 1 = 3348, 2 = 3366, 3 = 3286
# of wins out of 10,000 if you dont stay with original chocie = 3321
								^^^^
ooouuuaaaaaa, ooooouuuuaaaaaa :( 

dont feel bad seyed, we all make mistakes
[handel:95]
From: hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shahreh Farang
Keywords: shahr shahreh farangeh, az hameh rangeh
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:01:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:



>I know what Naghmeh means but what does Najmeh mean ?  

>Ramin


It means star in arabic.

	--ShAhin
From: KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu (Kayvon Z. Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What to think?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:51:46 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

Eventhough that I can't agree with  Babak a 100%, I would say that he has
a point; we do have a vast variety of cultures within our culture.
But, here is another point. Probably your husband is somewhere over his
thirty, and so are all your freinds. Furthermore, he has probably grown
up in his family and under a strict Iranian culture. It is a fact that
people in Iran are generally polit and rarely rude; but, take me, for
instance. I have been out of my country since 83. I have been living alone
since then. Moreover, I have lived in several different countries that
sometime even me, myself, have a hard time telling which culture do I
belong to.
Now, assuming that many people out in this group, would likely have
the same background; and considering that none of us have had a complete
cultural education, I think what you see over here is nothing extra-
ordinary. Quite honestly, with all the problems that we have had to go
through, I am surprised that people in this news group don't actually
kill each others.



k1
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KAYVON Z. SADEGHI                  K.SADEGHI@IEEE.ORG
VOICE: 202/244-0789
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eskandar@ee.ualberta.ca (Eskandar The Great)
Subject: Re: The Headquarter of Sepah Bombed
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:52:33 GMT

asghar@me.eng.ohio-state.edu writes:
> According to Mojahedin, yesterday afternoon, the headquarter
> of Sepah Pasdaran (SeTad MoShTaReK SePah) in GasReh FeeRooZeh
> was heavily damaged by a strong bomb. The operation was
> carried by a unit of resistant forces . Among the places
> destroyed was the office of the SalaShGar Pasdar Mohsen
> Rezaee the commander of the Pasdaran. All member of the unit
> returned to their base safely.
> 
> Asghar 

What is the glory in bombing a place and killing a bunch of people 
indiscreminatly. Bombing is terrorism and the only thing that is  
achieved by that is promotion of hatred and fear towards the terrorist,
in theis case the MKO. 

One thing that I am very surprised about is the advertizing followed 
by the bombing. If I was a member of MKO and I had done something 
stupid like bombing a tomb, I would try to HIDE it not to tell 
everyone in the world.

Is MKO trying to take over the government by bombing khomaine'e
tomb? What is it that MKO is trying to achieve by these bombings,
please enlighten me. If I was living in Iran I would only feel 
thretend by these bombs more that anything else.

/ME
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Mahin khAnoum roush nemisheh!
Originator: sehari@vincent2.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:47:30 GMT

In <1992Oct7.135440.12349@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.130240.15340@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>>In article <6OCT199222064473@reg.triumf.ca> mahin@reg.triumf.ca  writes:
>>
>>>My favourite mosalmoon writes:
>>    ^^^^^^^^^
>>ey bAbA, ajab ghalati kardam hA! hAlA bikhe rishe khodam gir kard!
>>
>>>And as for you Seyyed joon, well, these conventional methods don't work on
>>>me dear.  
>>
>>Look Miss Mahin, I am not your "joon" or "dear" OK? Now don't worry, I am

>^^^
>>going to find you a husband. Believe me these methods work. It's a public
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>forum and lots of people read this newsgroup. There might be a chance that
>>at least one of them hit his head to a wall or something and come forward
>>to khAstegAri you. Shahrokh fears that you might not like his zaboune
>>alkan, but don't worry inghadr zaboun berizam tA yA shahrokh yA yek ... dige
>>peydA beshe dast bAlA begire. 
>>AhAy ayyoha nAs, yek nafar mahze rezAye khodA biyAd in torshi bAdemjoun ro
>>az sare mA vAz koneh. bekhodA shohar delesh mikhAd, faghat roush nemisheh!
>>
>>Seyyed.

>if i am not mistaking, seyyed, we have a name in farsi, for people
>who perform such services, i think it is called jaa**sh. and i think
>that the sci ahaalee have not given you enough credit, for your mastery
>in this field. 

>behzad
> 

No man, "Dar Amreh Khaer, ameh byad Hamkari Konanad".  Off course, you
do not know correct farsi anyway, so what's the use.  Mr.  Shash-khor
needs a wife anyway.  He is crying out loud and kissing off anyone
who has a female name.  So, let us all together help to find a wife for
him. It is a "Vajeb-e Kafai" as you know.

                   With highest regards,
                        Babak   Sehari.

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Subject: Re: PWP - Persian Word Processor
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Distribution: soc.culture.iranian
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:46:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.164709.1535@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:

 ... stuff deleted
>
>anyway there is a freeware  farsi editor on Tehran.Stanford.EDU
>that someone gave me (I forgot his/her name) and  you can access
>it via anonymous FTP and it is located in  the pub directory
>called  aria.zip .    Extract it, put it on a PC running dos,  unzip
                                                                ^^^^^
>it run install and  VOILA  you got farsi editor.
>

I assume unzip is a software for uncompressing data which has been earlier
compressed by its inverse function (zip?).  Is this utility part of
DOS? If not, is this also free or it's commercial?

-Hossien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: derek@locus.com (Dariush Keyani-Yazdi)
Subject: Re: Purpose of life???
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:11:49 GMT

Noushin Bashir writes:

>>              What is the purpose of life?
>>
>		[ Shamloo's poetry deleted. ]
>
>
>In the moments of despair, I have asked the same question oh so many
>times. I hope you find Romain Rolland's words as delightful as I found
>them once.
>
>		[ Most of Romain Rolland's words deleted. ]
>
>- Life is otherwhere. Go, open thy gates to life. Thou insensate man,
>  to shut thyself up in thy ruined house! Quit thyself. There are other
>  mansions. 
>- O Life, O Life! I see... I sought thee in myself, in my own empty
>  shut-in soul. My soul is broken: the sweet air pours in through the
>  windows of my wounds; I breathe again. I have found thee once more, 
>  O Life! ...
>- I have found thee again... Hold thy peace, and listen.
>

Indeed.  I am sure many people read this article with delight, as I did.
It was like a fresh breath of air in SCI. Thanks Noushin.

And now how about a poem from Jalaloddin Balkhi (Mowlavi) in which
Jalaloddin presents his thoughts on the purpose of life, and the
the future of human possibility:

	Each form you see has its unseen archetype;
	if the form should pass, its essence is eternal.
	If you have known beauty in a face or wisdom in a word,
	let this counsel your heart: what perishes is not real.
	Since the springhead is timeless, its branches refresh.
	Since neither can cease, what is the cause of your sorrow?
	Think of your soul as the source and created things as springs.
	While the source exists, the springs continually flow.
	Empty your head of grief and drink from the stream.
	Don't think of it failing -- this water is endless.
	From the moment you came into the manifest world
	a ladder was given that you might escape.
	From mineral substance you were transformed to plant,
	and later to animal. How could this be hidden?
	Afterwards, as man, you developed knowledge, consciousness, faith.
	See how this body has risen from the dust like a rose?
	When you have walked on from man you will be an angel,
	and done with this earth your place will be beyound.
	Pass, then, from the angelic and enter the Sea.
	Your drop will merge with a hundred Seas of Oman.
	Leave him you called "Son," and say "One" with your life.
	Although your body has aged, your soul has become younger.

--
Dariush
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Iran Denies Nuclear Deal With Former Soviet Republic
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:24:51 GMT

---
10/14 (DJ) Iran Denies Nuclear Deal With Former Soviet Republic

    NICOSIA -AP- Iran denied a published report that it bought nuclear
weapons from the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan, the official
Islamic Republic News Agency reported today.
    The news agency said Iran's mission to the U.N. issued a statement
yesterday in New York calling reports of Iranian attempts to obtain
nuclear arms a ''sheer lie.''
    The dispatch singled out a report in the Washington Post that
alleged ''Iran has started secret talks on the purchase of nuclear
warheads from Kazakhstan and that some even claim that the deal has been
concluded.''
    ''The statement reiterated that the Islamic Republic of Iran, as a
signatory to the non-proliferation treaty on nuclear arms, did not
possess any kind of nuclear weapons or arms of mass destruction and did
not intend to obtain them,'' the slamic Republic News Agency said.
    The U.S. governmen said yesterday it had no reason to believe
Kazakhstan has sold nuclear warheads to Iran, and the Kazakhstan
president's spokesman denied there was any such deal.
    Iran's leading opposition group, the People's Mujahedeen, said
Monday that Iran had made a deal to buy four nuclear warheads from
Kazakhstan but that they had not yet been delivered.
    The Mujahedeen said the deal was finalized during a visit to
Kazakhstan in July by Iran's defense minister, and that the information
came from Mujahedeen agents in Iran.
    11:55 AM
                                 -END-
------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ENTER ANOTHER REQUEST.

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Konar, Khuzistan and a quiz
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:24:28 GMT

benf@next.com (Ben Fathi) writes:

>In article <BvrKGt.5yE@encore.com> samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri) writes:
>>
>>Soheila (missing getting hit in the head by the stones thrown to the konar
>>	 tree..) Sigh.... Sigh....

>gofti va dardam rA tAzeh kardi... double sigh...

>BTW, you're not supposed to throw stones at the konar tree. The following three
>approaches were preferred in my days:

>1. Throw "dampAyee" or "kafsh". It hurts a lot less when it hits you in the
>   head.

>Yours in productive konar harvesting...
I used a lond stick from the roof.  It always worked for me.
The konaar tree I had access was in my grandma's house
in ZAAHEDI st in Ahwaaz (There are no KONAAR for Abadaan, AFAIK)
The tree was located in the middle of the house.  My grandma
said that KOAAR trees are sacred and when she wanted to build the
house they designed it so that KONAAR is in the middle of the yard.
Once a year we had to climb this huge tree to cut the died branches
it was a hard job considering all the KHAAr's it had.  She would use all
the wood for MANGHAL.  The leaves are of course used for SEDR.


>	ben

Ala
From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:05:39 GMT
Subject: Re: hejab question
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian

abbasa@ul.ie writes:

>In article <28600033@hplred.HP.COM>, moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi) writes:
>> Dear fellow netters,
>> 
>> 
>> A while back when the hejab issue was being "discussed", a few of our
>> friends explained that a rationale for enforcing hejab is that it minimizes or
>> lowers the probability of acts of lust in society.  I then asked this forum
>> why, then are not bullet proof vests enforced to minimize or lower
>> the probability of murder in society?  No one has responded to this question,
>
>I wonder which factory used to make such bullet proof vests 1400 years ago?
>

1) true, but they did used to make JOSHAN, which was a shirt of chains to 
shield you in battle against swords.

2)We live today, not 1400 years ago.  The above excuse is saying that it is
possible that a "divine ruling" may be "perfect" for one time and place, but not
for another, and therefore needs to be updated.  Hmmmmm....

 
may your yoghurt cultures flourish,
 
Agha Javad
(kAnAdA derAye, har botree yeh tooman!)