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From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A.A.U.E
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:30:36 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <C0Lp26.4zD@ecf.toronto.edu> alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR) writes:
>Anybody know if anything is wrong with the server at atari.archive.umich.edu?

Use the wuarchive.wustl.edu mirror instead of ftping directly to a.a:

	wuarchive.wustl.edu: mirrors/archive.umich.edu/atari/...

It's updated daily.

Dave Baggett
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From: dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Tracker Music within GFA/STOS, how?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:40:29 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

Happy new 1993 everyone!

As my namesake (no relation I think!) wrote about STOS Tracker players yesterday
I'll mention a program I've developed called TrakBase for the STE which installs
routines for using Tracker .MOD files in memory at bootup and then points to them
with a cookie.

I use it all the time with GFABasic 3.5 and I suspect it could work with C as
well. I'll be writing docs for it soon (uni work permitting) and then if anyone
wants a copy then mail me at dxo@uk.ac.bham.cs.

You can start, stop, pause music as well as reading/changing many parameters
(position, channels playing etc) at any time. I'll also be releasing DeskTracker
a desktop front-end (which is very cool indeed, even though I say so myself!)


David Oakley

ASTRAsoft.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Editor???
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:50:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.211440.6408@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>In article 20499@fwi.uva.nl, storm@fwi.uva.nl (Richard G.C. Storm
(I89)) writes:
>For a commercial editor, I still like Tempus.  There are good PD
>ones, as well, but I'll let someone else comment on those.

Well, I'm somewhat biased towards a commercial editor called Sudden
View.  I've only played with Tempus (there's a demo on atari.archive);
I think that SV is faster.  It FEELS faster.

For PD stuff, there's lots of stuff out there:

Emacs clones
vi clones
origami (a "folding" editor - before I got Sudden View, I used
          Origami.  It is pretty nice.)
Alice - a German editor, very similar to STeno (the GEM Desk
          Accessory).  I probably should upload a copy...

Check on atari.archive.umich.edu, in /atari/Editors.  There's got to
be something there that you'll like.

-- 
Christopher Browne                |     PGP 2.0 key available
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca           |======================================
University of Ottawa              | Genius may have its limitations, but
Master of System Science Program  | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: yonder@netcom.com (Christopher Russell)
Subject: STalker vs Uniterm?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:18:38 GMT

Does anybody have any opinions here?  I have been thinking about
plunking down a few bucks for STalker, since I spend most of my time
on my computer logged on.  Currently I use Uniterm.  Uniterm does
everything I need pretty much, but it has one or two bugs that bother
me.  Once in a great while Uniterm will bomb if some certain cursor
positioning happens.  For example, when I try to run Pine with
Uniterm, I get bombs as soon as Pine tries to draw the "compose"
screen.  Uniterm is no longer being updated, so no chance of this
getting fixed.  I have to switch on my Spectre and load up Zterm if I
want to use Pine at home.

One thing that I would like to know about Stalker is if it will allow
me to have a 49 line screen like I use in Uniterm... this is essential
for me (not I have a mono monitor).


-- 
Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy)  Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA
yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@sim.mfg.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jsa@rcinet (JEFF S. ANDREWS)
Subject: HP550C Printer Drivers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  HP, Printer, DeskJet, Driver, 550C, HP550C, Color
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:51:00 GMT

OK, I broke down and bought the new HP550C color/black ink-jet printer.
This is an excellent printer for the price.  So far, I have been trying
print utilities, searching for the one that I won't be able to live 
without.  The most impressive seems to be Greg Wageman's PRINTALL utility,
but that was only written with drivers for the HP500/HP500C.  What I'm
trying to get at is the difference in the abilities of the 500C and the
550C.  The 550C can print from the black ink cartridge and the color ink
cartridge at the same time.  (The 500C could only use one cartridge at a
time).  Thus, the 550C color printouts need not have the pseudo-black
patches where real black ought to be.  Also, better dark shades could be
made by mixing a real black and Red/Blue/Yellow, as needed.  In the clone
world, drivers are already available to do this.  Is someone out there
knowledgable enough to come up with such a driver for atari users?  Short
of that, does anyone know Greg Wageman that might see if he could be
persuaded to indulge in such a project?  I think I saw where he had done
something for Oki printers, so he may not have done the 500C stuff just
because it was what he personally was using.  Who knows...   Since I am
probably not the only person with an atari and a 550C, it would be nice
to see postings here about any 550C specific atari drivers that come into
existence (or already exist).  Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,news.groups
From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: What to do with comp.binaries.atari.st/comp.sources.atari.st?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:48:59 GMT

The problem is FTP. It's easier to FTP something to the nearest archive
site than to post to the sources group. Best work on fixing that.
-- 
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Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012 USA
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:32:42 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:

>There's no Atari CLI;
>they're all third party products.  In other words, there is no
>equivalent to DOS in the Atari world -- as far as ATARI is concerned
>there IS no CLI.

Oh, and as far as IBM are concerned, there is no **OS** for PC's, because
DOS is written by Microsoft, which, when I last looked was NOT a subsidiary
of IBM.

Dave, you're clutching at very thin, straw-like weapons now.

Atari is in the business of making COMPUTER.  Not software.  That's YOUR
job.

--
Warwick
ps. Who wrote "COMMAND.COM", the "CLI" for MS-DOS?
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From: peter@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Peter Korsten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A1200 Compatability (was Re: I am NOT making this up, OK?)
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:25:36 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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Greg Granger (ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
: mackie@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
: 
:- What do you think of the A1200?  I am a games player (I won't apologize for
:- it - in fact in some sort of weird way I'm proud of it) and I think the IBM
:- clone sucks as a games machine.  If none ever get written for the Falcon, the
:- it too, will suck.  Is the A1200 the answer to my needs?
: 
: Stay away from the A1200 like the plague!!!!!  Preliminary reports from 
: Europe say that a lot of the software written for the A500 is trashed on 
: the A1200.  There are lots of compatability problems with the A1200, so 
: it is not a viable machine to buy.  If you don't believe me, check out 
: COMP.SYS.AMIGA.* for yourself.

Hmm. When the A1000 came out, some games used the Kickstart RAM as an
additional 256K. They didn't work with the A500 and A2000, of course.

Then C= came with 1.3. Many games didn't work, because they jumped
right into the Kicktstart ROM.

When they came with the ECS, some games wouldn't work because they used
reserved bits and memory locations.

Hardly any game worked on turbo boards or the A3000.

This has been ever since. Every time something new comes out, some bogus
games crash on it. But the new games *will* work.

For instance, Dynablaster works on the A1200. You'd even want to buy an
Amiga for this game only (I don't know if it's on any other system and
if so, whether you can play with 5 players).

Since the A1200 is going to be a big hit, the newer games will work on
it. And you can still do some serious work on a 68EC020...

					Peter.
-- 
Peter Korsten, on the  ~ There's no chance for us - It's all decided for us
 Net better known as:  ~ This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us
peter@stack.urc.tue.nl ~ Who want to live forever? Who dares to love forever?
<Amigas and Frisbees>  ~ When love must die   -- Queen, from "A kind of Magic"
From: stigvi@Lise.Unit.NO (Stig Vidar Hovland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: NEW ATARI SUPPORT Part 2
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:02:29 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1iljgsINNl6l@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
 > <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 > 
 > >The question arises:  why the *#:&#: does Atari have this attitude?  I agree,
 > >it's like they ENJOY shooting themselves in the foot after making a really
 > >neat new gizmo...  I'd love to buy a Falcon, I really would...  But
 > 
 > Why does Atari have this attitude?  Because it's owned and operated by
 > some really STOOOOOPID fucks.  I say we should start a postcard campaign,
 > resulting in mailbags full of the cards arriving daily, on which each one
 > is written:  "Please Msrs Tramiel, won't you all please climb into one of
 > your BMWs and drive off a steep cliff BEFORE you kill the company off
 > completely?"
 > 

Why do you think somebody at Atari will ever listen to you when you write like you do.
With postcards like this, Mr. Tramiel would belive all Atari owners are kids with an age not
more than 7.

Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Question : ___ M-ROS ___
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:01:01 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1ioc45INN79q@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <743@vercors.frec.bull.fr>, heritier@delta4.frec.bull.fr (Franck HERITIER) writes:
>>Does someone know what is M-ROS for Atari ST ? What is the editor
>>of this multitask system ? Can you evaluate it ?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Frank.
>
>
>M-ROS!?  Maybe you mean M-TOS!?  (Correct me if I'm wrong).
>

No, he means M-ROS. It allows multiple music programs to stay
resident and share data. It is put out by Dr. T I think.

Mike

healy@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Subject: Re: VIPGEM 1.0 to anything else
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:48:23 GMT

In article <ALBERTO.93Jan9175228@jacksun.cs.umd.edu>, alberto@cs.umd.edu (Jose Alberto Fernandez R) writes:
>Hi, I was the one who posted a message about how to get data files out
>of the spreadsheet program VIPGEM and into some PC.

You might want to contact ISD, the company which now owns the rights to the VIP
spreadsheet program.  I believe that the last version update included the
ability to save the spreadsheet as a Lotus .WKS file.  This should be readable
by any IBM PC spreadsheet program.  I don't have an address on hand for you
though.

-- DPZ
From: psteffn@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Paul Steffen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The compatibility story (Falcon & A1200)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:10:09 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan11.120754@cs.bham.ac.uk> dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley) writes:
>Re my statement and 24/100...
>
>There is a boot up option on the A1200 which disables the extra chips (eg AA etc)
>and so this apparently increases compatibility dramatically. One of the Amiga
>magazines got a 40% compatability with old games and 90% for games < 1yr old.
>
>I'll still get a Falcon, but we need to get correct info on the opposition if we
>want to beat them!
 
There is no way to disable the new AA [AGA] functions in the 1200.  Software
that changes the wrong bit in the bitplane control registers can still cause
problems.  It's ironic, though, that Commodore threatens never to release
another hardware manual, though.  They want people to program "cleanly" but
this be counterproductive.  

The Falcon is a nice machine and I intend to get one, whether or not Atari
is around at the time.  I know a considerable amount about the standard
ST and standard Amiga hardware and if the 1200 is 2 steps forward for the
Amiga 500, then the Falcon is 10 steps for the Atari 520ST.  There is a 
clear advantage that the Falcon has the DSP as standard hardware in that
the DSP is a fully programmable processor in itself, fully capable of
running it's own software like the 68030, but being able to do many things
much faster than the 68030 ever could.  It is hard to say at this point,
but I would assume that one could find several applications in which the
Falcon would perform 3 or 4 times faster than the A1200.
 
Paul Steffen
aka.  STratoHAK/TPPi [intending to get both machines!]

>
>David.
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From: dc@presto.ruhr.de (David Channing)
Subject: Ethernet for TT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,de.comp.sys.st
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:45:20 GMT

I would like to connect a PC and a TT via Ethernet. Is there any hardware and
software (preferably Novell-compatible) available for the TT which would make
this possible?
--
dc@presto.ruhr.de
dc@presto.ruhr.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 14:57:50 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:

> In article <H.ea.o3KuEmskWp2@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> cherborth@semprin
> >I'd like to hear some arguments convincing me to stay with a sinking
> >ship, Atari.
> Why doncha buy a nice Mac and **** off ? If you need convincing the Atari
> is wrong for you.
> 
> Nat!
> -- 
 
 Well said Nat !


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From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ICD Host Adapter
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:17:33 GMT
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany

In article <1993Jan4.171904.17555@news2.cis.umn.edu> davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:
>>Yet another example how US mfgrs ***** their European customers.
>
>Er, you forget the fact that CompuServe and GEnie require on-line charges in
>order to download software as well.  We're not exactly getting the ICD software
>for 'free' here either.  Some companies, like ICD, offer on-line access to
>their software as a service to those people lucky enough to subscribe to that
>service.  There is nothing illegal, immoral or attening in such offerings.

No, of course not, I merely wanted to point out that ICD offers a service to
their US customers while not offering a similar service to overseas customers.
If I appear to be bashing ICD here, I'm sorry.  It's just that I observe this
behavior from US companies *all* the time.  If you want examples, send email.

>  Not
>everyone in the US is connected to CompuServe or GEnie either, and, for those
>who are not, it costs money to obtain updates from ICD.

Indeed.  The *real* problem is that ICD is a little paranoid about people
tinkering with their software.  I had a discussion with Tom Harker on CeBIT 
about this *ages* ago, and we agreed to disagree :-(

>On the other hand, there are plenty of European manufacturers from whom we
>cannot even GET an update electronically.  Should we then use this as an
>example of how "[European] mgfrs ***** their [US] customers"?   I don't think
>so.

If they offer electronic updates for Europeans but not for US customers, you 
should at least let them know that you're unhappy.  I am unhappy with ICD, 
and precicely because their s/w is *good* and I can't get an update the way
US customers can.

>Complain about something that matters.

Right you are.  Should I cc Darek M. and Bob R. ?? :-)

-- Volker
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From: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:37:40 GMT
Reply-To: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

I've been away for a few weeks, so this is my first chance to respond to all
this....

I run Spectre GCR 3.0 on a TT with TOS 3.05.

The 3.0 manual states that it works on a high-rez _Atari_ monitor, but I've
never seen it done.

Spectre does not recognize the internal or external SCSI port on the TT.
This is stated somewhere in a manual or in one of the README files.  I
have my internal hard drive hooked up to the external ASCI port using an
ICD Mico host adapter, with the ribbon cable running through the case (I'm
sure I'm violating all kinds of FCC rules--my TV goes nuts whenever my hard
drive is accessed).  I got the connections from the ribbon cable to the D-
connector from ICD.  I generally have no problems with the setup, and I'm
using the disk for both Atari and Mac files.

I can read/write 800K Mac disks just fine.  But in order to do this I have
to have a floppy in the drive when I turn the computer on, then remove it
before launching Spectre.  Otherwise it eats floppies for breakfast.  And
light-off programs won't work.  I can format/read/write on either Spectre
or a real Mac, though formats on real Macs tend to be somewhat more reliable.

I use the Transverter program that came with Spectre to move file Atari<-->
Mac all the time, with either floppy or hard drive.  The only thing is that
the Mac disk/partition must be in MHF (or whatever--the older one) format.

I hope this helps.
---

-Paul Harris                       @ @ 
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu      \___/
From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: First Word + To Word Perfect?
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:06:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A50711
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

l>I need as soon as possible a conversion program to convert
l>First Word Plus files to Word Perfect files.

The WordPerfect package for the Atari ST contains a utility program that does
the job.
From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon - Future
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 09 Jan 93 10:02:34 GMT

Original to: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
In a message of <24 Dec 1992 03:53:4>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
(3:713/602) writes:

 BB> The point that michael.smith seems to be trying to avoid is that
 BB> PC based computers CAN be upgraded, no matter what the "little"
 BB> hassles may be, while ANY Atari computer CANNOT be upgraded without
 BB> doing a lot of "hacking and slashing"...

I'm not 'avoiding' anything, Bob, that's one of your favorite tactics...

I'd say the level of 'hassles' involved would generally be about the same
for adding things : mew drives are easy - overscan costs less in time than a
video board does in money, and soforth.

 BB> If you need to take an hour to install a '386 board into a '286
 BB> computer, then maybe the girls in the Terminals department could
 BB> help.. they do it all the time.  Upgrading computers is one of the EASY
 BB> things to do, IF the computer is designed for it..

Hmm. You rely too much on your terminal girls Bobby - let me introduce you
to the fact that only _some_ PC's are well-designed for upgrading.

You remember those popular PC-XT cases? You remember how you have to take
all of the interface cards out, then the whole front off, to get the drive
frame free? and even then, it's impossible to support the inner side of one
pair of drives? great stuff...

Or the Baby-AT cases where you have to remove the power supply, then hold
your heart in your mouth as you unscrew the drive frame from the bottom of
the case with the unit upside down and 2 inches of air between the frame and
the bench?

Not to mention the fact that you're _real_ lucky if all the screws go back
in where they came from.

 BB> So what's your point..?
 BB> 
 BB> Are you trying to say that "all PCs suck and we all know it" and
 BB> Atari rulez..?

No : I am simply putting the lie to you saying 'upgrading a PC is easy'.

It's not.  Small things, yeah sure, but doing anything major to a PC is just
as bad as any other system : atari, mac, amiga, sun, cray, you name it.

 BB> Sure there are compatibility problems in a platform that allows
 BB> expansion.. but are you trying to say that the ST platform doesn't
 BB> have compatibility problems BECAUSE IT IS NOT EXPANDABLE..?

No, however I'm a bit subscriber to the LCD argument - having a functional
LCD makes life much easier from a programmer's point of view.

 BB> Sounds pretty silly, Michael...

Just gotta learn to read what I write, not what you want to see.

 BB> BobR

\`miff`                                                       /|\

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