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From: cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:27:58 GMT

In article <Bz8JFL.838@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>>When Burgess dies a couple of years later, how come we
>>didn't see Death? Hmm???
>
>>Ray Cornwall
>>University of Delawhere
>
>
>Maybe because Neil hadn't thought of her yet, and so the character design
>hadn't been done yet?
>
>Just speculation.  No tengo puta idea, yo.
>
Darn...see, I was hoping for some neato-skeato answer...cause it seems
like an awfully big hole...I mean, if Death had to collect Burgess,
she would have seen Dream there, and who knows what would have
happened?
Just an idea...
Ray Cornwall
University of Delawhere

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From: slp43173@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Spencer Lee Pasero)
Subject: Sandman:  Distant Mirros
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:48:12 GMT

Does anyone know if the "Distant Mirrors" run will be included in the upcoming
"A Game of You" TPB?  Just wondering if I have to go hunting for back issues.
Thanks in advance.

Feeling your pain,

Spence


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Brotherman (was: Black artists condemn DC)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:41:04 GMT


I'll third the Brotherman reccomendations.  If you start from #1, keep
in mind than IMO, it's really improved by issue #3.  He's catching his
stride. 
-- 
Alcohol can impair one's judgment and spelllling.
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:02:08 GMT

cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>When Burgess dies a couple of years later, how come we
>didn't see Death? Hmm???

>Ray Cornwall
>University of Delawhere


Maybe because Neil hadn't thought of her yet, and so the character design
hadn't been done yet?

Just speculation.  No tengo puta idea, yo.


LJC
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Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
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From: mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner)
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:20:07 GMT

jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
: In article <1992Dec11.211146.3161@dorsai.com> mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner) writes:
: >: >If you want truly Africn American comics, heed the slogan of ANIA.
: >: >
: >: >"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
: >: >Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"
: >: 
: >And if any company had a slogan like that, but substituting "white" for
: >"black", it would be deemed racist and sued out of existence... Neat
: >double standard, no?
: >
: 
: What double standard?
: 
The double standard that the slogan is acceptable (apparently) with "Black"
but not with "White" of course. 

: Hello?  Hello?  Any oppressed caucasians out there?  No?  Didn't think so.

Non sequitur: totally irrelevant to the existence of the double standard.
And your not thinking so doesn't affect the reality of it.

Statements of the form "I can't be racist because my race doesn't have
power" or "Reverse discrimination is not really discrimination" are
utter bullshit.

*****************************************************************************
* Keith Kushner      * Silent enim leges inter arma. - Cicero               *
* mycroft@dorsai.com * Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. - Franklin *
*****************************************************************************
 
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu ("Glenns Lf7z Roses")
Subject: Re: ANIA Statement in CBG (was Black artists condemn DC)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.230712.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

>     ANIA wonders about the latest move by DC/Time Warner into the black comic 
>book market. ANIA wonders if it is an attempt to trivialize black comic books. 
>To merely do a Superman inBlack face that draws kids away from the mission of
>ANIA. When you look at the talent Milestone Media has chosen, Denys Cowan for 
>example in his Dewar's Profile stressed the Greek Gods as the "Original
>Super heroes". Anyone with even a droplet of exposure knows the Greek Gods
>were interpreted from the "Gods of Egypt". Human religion and civilization did
>not originalte from Greece.
>
>[ PERSONAL note. I must be really dumb. I didn't "know" about that stuff about
>the Egyptian Gods. And as for Egypt being the mother civilization......]

No, not dumb, just rational.  Having spent the last seven years
studying Ancient Egypt coming from a strong Classics background, I can
tell you with confidence that 7/8 of Bernal is horseshit; no
Egyptologist takes this stuff seriously, especially not black ones,
they're even more embarassed by it.  Since my dissertation is on
Nubia, I had to wade through this stuff.  Sad really, because he makes
a lot of valid cultural points (compare the last two sentences of the
quoted paragraph -- the first couldn't be more wrong, the last
couldn't be more correct, it obscures the very real contributions of
African civilization).  A sore point with me, because at every general
public lecture I give, someone inevitably brings up this crap, and I
have to waste time explaining that the problems of the modern world
have little if anything to do with the ancient world.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Reality is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes"
"You know darn well that they're just manipulating you, and that's all that
        they're doing" 
    --- My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
**************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:50:16 EST
From: Steve Murray <SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman questions
Distribution: na
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 <1992Dec10.050757.2713@news2.cis.umn.edu>
 <1992Dec14.111453.17639@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

In article <1992Dec14.111453.17639@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Killans - First And Last And Always) says:
>
>This links in with something I've been wondering ever since I read issue 8
>(The Sound of Her Wings). In that issue, Dream wonders aloud why people are
>more afraid of dyinng than dreaming, when Dream's lands are more terrible
>than Death's lands.

No, the quote is that Dream is "much more terrible" than Death.  As in -
Dream realizes that he's not a pleasant looking fellow for the most part
(tall, pale, black eyes - kinda intimidating), and Death looks like this
really cool goth chick that I would *love* to f-.... *ahem* excuse me,
got carried away for a moment there.

>Any thoughts? Was Dream being dim? Or am I missing something?

No, just misquoting - the lands themselves are never mentioned, just
the anthropomorphic personifications themselves.
--
Steve Murray  |  SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu  |  murr@dev-null.phys.psu.edu
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
                                                 -- Oscar Wilde
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Sandman: Distant Mirros
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:25:59 GMT

slp43173@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Spencer Lee Pasero) writes:

>Does anyone know if the "Distant Mirrors" run will be included in the upcoming
>"A Game of You" TPB?  Just wondering if I have to go hunting for back issues.

Last I heard, after the "A Game of You" collection, DC would be releasing
a book of shorts collecting both Distant Mirrors and Convergences, tentatively
to be titled _Accounts_&_Reflections_.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"People only accept the truth of nonfiction if it corresponds to the truth
 they have been trained to accept in fiction. Even if that truth is false."
		-- from Journey
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Speaking of cameos in Sandman.....
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:37:28 GMT
Reply-To: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: cwagner@mickey.cc.utexas.edu

Someone has most likely pointed this out before; but I just found it, and it's
not immediatly obvious.....

In Season of Mists, Part 6, first panel of page 20, we see Morpheus storing 
the jar containing Azazel in a trunk full of random stuff. 

Does anyone recognize the skull? }:>

I've read my SOM TPB half-a-dozen times before, and this was the first time
I noticed. I love little things like that......

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Fibber McGlenn and Molly)
Subject: Re: Newbies
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:43:27 GMT

In article <Mf_pZz600iUxE1Ccp9@andrew.cmu.edu> aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson) writes:
>Anatole Wilson writes:
>
>Some messages I received actually suggested that I refrain from using
>any Usenet bboard until I had thoroughly read news.announce.newusers and
>a couple of other boards that I've overlooked (not hard, considering my
>machine lists access to over 5800 bboards.)

Well, that's standard netiquette, that's what the newusers posts say
to do.  Not that very many people actually do this, but reading these
posts should be among the very first things you do on Usenet.  This is
supposed to be common knowledge :^).

>While I will make an effort to look at these bboards from time to time,
>I don't think they should be a prerequisite for joining in a discussion
>for this or any other bboard. IMHO (see, I'm learning), the only
>prerequisite for this bboard should be a love or at least interest in
>comics. 

Of course, (well this is a newsgroup, not a bulletin board), but it's
not a flame to send people to the newusers post, unless it's done in
an inflammatory manner.  I read these the first time I ever logged on,
because I didn't know what a Usenet was, and because it was what I was
told to do.  But not everybody gets told, even though everyone needs
to read them.  Every FAQ I've ever read has some reference to reading
up on standard netiquette.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"It felt, Artemis said, like he was having an origin ..."
   --- Astoria
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
From: gjr@st-andrews.ac.uk (Graham James Reilly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Books of Magic (poss MR E spoilers
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:49:12 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.


Note on the Mr E miniseries: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES READ THIS.  It is the
most unmitigated piece of shit I have ever read that pretends to be a follow-up.
It ruins the end of the Books of Magic, continues the story in the worst possible
way ( Mr E's father apparently molested him - that's why he is so weird - not the
most startlingly original plot twist ) and is badly written and drawn.
Does anybody know whether or not this was an official Gaiman-sanctioned work or
not?

Sorry to be so abrupt, but it is DIRE.



Dylan
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:9509 alt.superman.dead:4 alt.death-of-superman:5
From: drayer-rebecca@yale.edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.superman.dead,alt.death-of-superman
Subject: Bibbowski and Sooperman
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:21:51 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

OK, I've got a question for all you long-time Superman fans.  I just
recently started reading comics by DC (usually I stick to Marvel and some
independent titles), and I keep seeing this guy Bibbowski saying that
Superman is his "fav'rit".  Is there a reason for this that was stated in
a previous issue?
-- 
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Neurobiology major                  |    Computing Assistant
                                    |    Silliman College, Yale University
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From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: Valiant: Rai#0
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:18:18 GMT



I would like to start an open discussion on the Valiant interview in
Wizard #17 and the new Valiant stars expected out in 92 and 93.

Throughout the interview, the valiant people kept saying "I think
everyone should re-read Rai #0.  Well I did that, very carefully.
I found that in the panel that tells of shadowmans death, that there
are new heros of the world in the group.  They are not new harbingers,
because they don't have the uniform.  Also, since Peters son defeats
Harada, who was his mother since it can't be Kris?
    
When Solar finally lets Gail die, he splits in two in the year 4001.
Does that mean he reappears in Magnus with the alter ego as a vilian?

When Aric dies and lets the X-O go, does it get recovered in Magnus's 
time period and therefore becomes a weapon against the malevolent robots?

Also, many heros die in Rai #0.  The valiant interview stated that something
may disrupt the time continuum later on.  Does this mean shadowman may not
die in 1999, or some heros may actually survive.  Also, when Peters ancestor
defeats Harada, he takes his being and places it inside of Harada.  Does this
mean the two consciences of Peters ancestor and Harada co-exist, or did Harada
die?

Just a start.  Rai #0 opens alot of doors but leaves alot unanswered.  Maybe
we can discuss this on the net.

cliff
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:02:11 GMT

cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>>
>Darn...see, I was hoping for some neato-skeato answer...cause it seems
>like an awfully big hole...I mean, if Death had to collect Burgess,
>she would have seen Dream there, and who knows what would have
>happened?

I got the idea that Death DID know.  She wasn't going to intefere unless Dream
asked for her help.

LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
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Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sphinges and Second Thoughts
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:16:39 EST

In article <RSHOLMES.92Dec15174423@rodan.syr.EDU>
rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:
 
>
>In article <lsmith.724314765@deci> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>
>>While trying to get the FAO Schwartz jingle (Welcome to our world of
>>toys and all that) out of my head, I looked through Michael Page's
>
>I support the death penalty for anyone who mentions irritatingly
>obnoxious and impossible-to-forget jingles and songs on the Internet.
>
 
    Irritatingly obnoxious and impossible-to-forget jingles.... Hmmm...
I wonder what crime Lance is going to commit...
    (apologies to Alfred Bester)
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:28:08 GMT

Okay, I have just read through much of the "everybody's favorite artists" 
thread. Therefore, I'd like to propose another question: 

Who are your favorite and least favorite writers?



Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely... 
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Stan Lee
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:36:59 GMT

In article <92350.130615AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>influence, and whatever he says goes.  But another person who's a Marvel
>shareholder stated that Stan Lee owns a 5-15% (I think) share of Marvel.
>Is he the biggest holder? Because if he is, wouldn't that make him the
>'owner' of Marvel as you said?  Having the title of *owner* means
>having the biggest share, doesn't it?

	No.

	A beneficial owner of a publically owned company owns AT LEAST
5% of the stock. THere can be more than one owner.





-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:36:59 GMT

In article <143560029@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>Still, taking harsh criticism is not an easy thing to do, and 

	This is FAR too kind for much of the stuff that passess for critiques
on the nets. There are many fair minded people here, but it isn't the moderate
ones that stick in your minds, it's the fringies.....

	And, of course, Tim Maroney's charges of sucking up just may have
some kernels of truth to it....


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:28:06 GMT

In article <BzBr8p.Fyo@news.udel.edu> krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:
>>>We already know how Gruenwald feels about the need to clean up danglers 
>>>from old Marvel continuity (he's like a one-man Crisis) - he's even 
>>>brought back the Black Fleet from the Questprobe tie-in comics for God's 
>>>sake.
>I think that only applies to loose ends that he himself wrote and was forced
>to abandon.  He was the original writer on QUESTPROBE before it was cancelled
>(at issue #3, no less).

For a non-Gruenwald loose end, how about the reappearance of Dragonfly as
a captive of the Stranger after having last been seen escaping in X-Men around
ten years back?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
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From: phaedrus@halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus)
Subject: Re: Phone # for DC, Marvel, Etc.
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:39:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.142302.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11sgerlis@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>In article <1g9bi6INN9kt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:

>> How did I get the phone number?  I called information and asked.  So, if
>> area code 212 is Manhattan, you call "1-212-555-1212" (which is
>> information), and you ask them for the number for DC Comics. 

>Ohhhhhhh Pleasssee....  I am from N.Y.C.... There's no such a phone number
>called 1-212-555-1212 because  the three digits are 555 are pretty stupid, it
>was used among in movie, television shows....

>Get real! *grinnning*

     Gee, New York doesn't have 555-1212?  It must be awfully inconvenient,
being the only area code in the nation that doesn't have a number to call for
information...
     Before you make a post claiming that someone else has made an error, try
going back and actually _reading_ what it is that they posted.  The original
poster never said that 555-1212 was the number for DC; he said it's the number
for information.  I just picked up my telephone and dialed 1-212-555-1212, and
sure enough, that's the number for information.  Just because the phone
company doesn't assign any customers to the 555 prefix doesn't mean they can't
use it for themselves; 555-1212 is always the number for directory assistance
in a given area code, and 555-2368 often gives a recording of some sort 
(because when you're in an AT&T Phone Center store and you're trying out
phones, "555-2368" is almost always the sample number the displays tell you to
try calling).
     So yes, you can get the number for DC Comics from calling this number.
(Just don't ask me for it; I have no desire to talk to anyone at DC Comics,
so I didn't bother to write it down. :) )
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: DC AIDS PSAs
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:14:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.062836.24192@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba):
>>I also hope that DC won't get in any trouble with "morality groups"
>>for aiming such information at kids...
> 
> It's just a banana...

Just saw the AIDS thing today. And it took me back a good 15 years. Yes,
this AIDS piece reminded me of all of those Twinkies adds. Spiderman
foils a robbery by strategically placing Twinkies in the vicinity of the
theft. Police take the baddies away and Spidey happily munches on a
Twinkie. Real fun 

(now here's a thread. find ALL of the different DC/Marvel Twinkie adds
 and present them here......  ) 

Neil's stuff is just a little different. He takes DC characters - Death and
Constantine - and has them become mouthpieces for all of the things people
can read in a standard AIDS prevention pamphlet. And the man has a sense
of humor (the banana sequence) with Constantine and having D-E-A-T-H
talking about AIDS prevention. hohohohohoho.....

1977 - Twinkies
1992 - AIDS prevention

just a different set of characters promoting a different product.
(good message, though in the latter)

-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


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