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From: ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: GMs plan: New Credit Card (MC, then possibly VISA)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:11:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

The plastic to steel: 
GM is to announce its new MasterCard: 
	(if the news is precise)
		No Annual Fee
		10.6% interest rate
	and
		credit on GM new cars (forget the percentage).

It should be in the news somewhere today.

Sq
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ward@math.psu.edu (Brian Ward)
Subject: Honda-related mpg/whatever... (79-82 prelude)
Organization: The Bill and Ted Society of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:28:00 GMT

while noting the current topic (and ignoring the flames) of the MPG ratings
of Honda Automobiles, I thought that I would set forth on a venture for
answers of a series of a few questions. sigh. I shall begin:

My 1981 Civic 1500, which I love dearly, has recently developed quite a bit
of rust on the underside due to the salt on the roads in the wintertime in
State College, PA. Sigh; this means that unless I put quite a bit of money
into it, it will not have a hope of passing inspection. (They really put a
lot of salt on the roads up here - It took only 1 winter to mangle my car)

Anyway, I'm probably going to buy another car, rather than fix up the Civic.
I've decided that a replacement of a Prelude would be in order. Not just any
year/model, though. The 1979-1982 models have a certain appeal to me - they
are small "death-trap" (I wouldn't have it any other way) models with a clear
lack of a real back seat. Anyway, I won't go on about the appeal of the car
to me, because that's not what I'm trying to get at.

So, I'm interested in hearing from owners of these cars. the things I
want to know about are basically MPG averages, the wear of the interior, the
parts prices, and all about the 5-speed transmission. (Obviously, the latter
does not apply to owners of automatics. I don't drive automatics.) or...
basically anything. I don't think I'll be able to buy the car in my present
geographic location, as the cars are rather, uh, hard to find here.

or even if you happen to see in your paper an ad that has one of these beasts
for sale, I'm always open to getting email on prices. of course, that's too
too much to ask. 

 -brian
Organization: Ege University - Computing Center
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 14:41:59 TUR
From: Cengiz OZDEN <ITNAD@TREARN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Automotive Electronic Mailing Lists

Hi,

I would like to announce a new discussion list for automobile
enthusiasts, AUTOS-L AT TRITU.

The list is intended as a medium for automobile fans to tell about
their best-loved cars, and for announcing international motoring
events.

If you are interested in joining this new list, send the following
line of message to LISTSERV AT TRITU:
    SUB AUTOS-L Your Name

See you soon|

Ahmet
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: THE DOOR HORROR
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:27:43 GMT


In article <780227@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> wesf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>If I park next to someone whom I believe may key my car or ding it, I
>write down their license plate number when I park.  That way, even if they
>take off I can still report it...

Alas, this isn't likely to do you much good. The first question the cops
are going to ask you is "did you SEE him key your car?" Without
eyewitnesses, all you have is circumstantial evidence and a license
plate number. :-(
From: jmmst53+@pitt.edu (Jason M. Mccloskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: DeLorean Motor Cars
Keywords: DeLorean classic investment
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:25:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


DeLoreans are certainly unusual cars, but are not worth the trouble.
In order to get them clean and shiny, you need to use windex on them.  Think 
about it!  No, I'm really not kidding...  Additionally, these cars had
a host of problems, including, but not limited to:
a mishmash of engines, leaky, ill-fitting gull wing doors,
funky external styling, poor performance, and high-tech looks,
low tech performance.  I, too realized the appeal of these
autos when I was younger.  For reference I have a road test of
one of these cars in an old issue of Car & Driver.  Like myself,
they came away less than impressed.  Save your money and heatbreak.
Test drive one of these boats before you lay down your cash.
test drive one of these boats before you lay down your cash.
test drive o
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:01:08 GMT


I test drove a car with a seat belt arrangement I thought was a
reasonable compromise.  The new pontiac grand prix.  It had a setbelt
arrangement whereby it could be operated as a passive belt system.  Or
if you preferred, it had a buckle and you could operate it as the manual
belt system.  This way it appealed to both preferences.  Personally I
found it more difficult to enter the car in the passive mode because the
belt was in my way at my particular hight so I would prefer the manual
myself.  i don't know if this was an optional arrangement or the
standard seat belt arrangement.

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Spaces at an angle...
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:22:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.231929.11166@colorado.edu> curtiss@burn.colorado.edu (Brian Curtiss) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.190721.6841@pictel.com> 
>harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>>
>>[stuff deleted]
>>
>>is that the triangles at each end of the spaces cannot be used.  Space
>>would be used more efficiently if they were painted as follows (rotated
>>45 degrees for ASCII purposes),
>>
>>		--------------------|
>>			    |       |
>>			    |       |
>>			    |       | 
>>	--------------------|       |
>>		    |       |       |
>>		    |       |       |
>>		    |       |       | 
>>------------------|       |
>>		    |       |
>>		    |       |
>>		    |
>>		    |
>>		    |
>>
>>so that the hoods meet front-to-side, instead of corner-to-corner
>>
>Oh wouldn't this be fun when someone pulls in just a little too far ---
>  does anyone make a car with 5 MPH fender panels?

The heck with fender panels--let's talk about *bumpers*!  5 MPH bumbers
have given way to 3 or 2 1/2 MPH bumpers.  Is there even a minimum
anymore?  At 2 1/2 MPH, does it even matter?  5 MPH is itself
laughable.


>I think that it is "back to parking engineering school" time for Dan.

So, use curbstones, or pillars at the end of each space.  That'll keep
them apart.  As far as I'm concerned, the main obstacle to this problem
is that the actual painting becomes much more complicated.  5 MPH
bumper indeed.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: removing bumper stickers
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 17:42:21 GMT

Thanks to all who sent me mail and posted suggestions on this topic.

I got the bumper stickers off the other night using a combo of Aqua
Net hair spray (the suggestion sounded so hilarious I had to try it)
and WD-40. Most of the stickers came off easily in about 15 minutes
time, and for the most part left no adhesive on the car. One older
sticker took alot of work, as every time I started to peel it it would
crack and break. This one took about 45 miniutes of constant peeling.

The small amount of adhesive left by a couple stickers came off easily
after a few scrubbings with "Mr Clean" using a sponge.

Several people suggested using heat to remove the stickers, but since
I did not have a 100 yard extension cord, and couldn't move my car any
closer to my apartment, using a hair dryer to generate the heat was
out of the question. I did not use this method.

Thanks again to all of you for your suggestions and ideas. The car
looks like new again!
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Manifold Wrap to <turbo lag
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 07:10:35 GMT

In article <2400042@hpsad.sad.hp.com> ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund) writes:
>...sounds bogus to me.  The turbo is there to increase the pressure at the 
>intake.  Intercoolers are used to reduce the heat & allow a denser charge 
>at the intake.

actually, the shielding was for the exhaust.
that sounds ok to me.  reduces the heat radiated to other parts of
the engine compartment.  so you'd get less heat on the intake side.

-teddy
From: chan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Vi Chi Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Fuel Quality - How to tell from performance?
Summary: How to compare the fuel quality by performance of the car
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:02:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Hi there,

I have a question concerning the performance of different grade of gas.
Hope that someone here can kindly give me an answer...

I was using the Premium grade (octane #93) from Amoco.
recently I changed to the Silver grade (#89, I believe?) trying to compare the 
difference it made in performance and cost.

However, after using the Silver for a month, I can't notice any difference in
the performance of my car (power, mpg etc.) I began to wonder if the different
it made may not be justified for the high price of Premium gas!
Or, will it give difference only in long term use or any kind of differences 
internally which I can't notice?

Also, Which bland of gas is the best...Shell? Amoco?

I appreciate any advice and idea. Thanks in advance!

Billy. 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: paul@.worldbank.org (Paul Buehler)
Subject: An Engine Treatment that actually works! 
Keywords: QX
Reply-To: paul@.worldbank.org (Paul Buehler)
Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:49:58 GMT

	A company by the name of Black Moly Gold is selling oil/fuel
	additives that use Molybdenum and something called QX (Vacclaisocryptine)
	which have done amazing things for my 84 Jeep Cherokee. With 170,000
	miles on it I could not put in 10W40 and have oil pressure.(no joke!) I
	put in the BMG additive and presto my pressure was back and the
	lifters were silent for the first time in 2 years. This product
	has been used by the Gov't for years secretly in Ships and planes
	to protect the life of the equipment. Unlike S50, the BMG products
	advertise the the Molybdenum bonds with the metal sufaces and protects
	them from wear. I dumped this stuff into my 81 Citation when it would
	not pass emissions and bingo, I was registered for another year! 

____________________
"purged but not forgotten"
From: davechao@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (David Bowser-Chao)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: What's TTL 'round these parts?
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:46:52 GMT
Reply-To: davechao@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (David Bowser-Chao)
Distribution: tx,ok,nm
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: davechao@bongo.cc.utexas.edu

We're looking at buying a new car and possibly combining
the purchase with vacation visiting friends or relatives
in Texas, Oklahoma, or New Mexico. What I'd like to know is 
what the tax, title, and license fees run in each of these states.

Thanks,
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso)
Subject: Re: Ka Wideband - too many false alarms
Keywords: radar detectors wideband
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.131057.27216@ncar.ucar.edu>, cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep8.152108.19067@walter.bellcore.com>
|> ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso) writes:
|> >The radar was going off on the Ka band alert 9 out of 10 times
|> >I was passing a truck.  I found this annoying so I decided to call
|> >However, it should not be affected by CB radios which I thought was the
|> >cause of interference from trucks.  Do truck drivers use radar detectors ?
|> 
|> Definitely!  If yours is going off because of CB's, I'd suggest getting a
|> different detector (I've got an Escort).
|> 
|> Cris 

Has anybody had any "real highway driving" experiences with
Ka Wideband radar detectors other than the Uniden RD5000W ?
I'd like to know if other radars are more selective.


-- 
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(PHONE) (908) 699-5021  
(INTERNET) ramiro@ctt.bellcore.com
(UUCP)  ...!bellcore!ctt!ramiro
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: insurance claiming made e
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 16:08:06 GMT

>I've often heard that this will guarantee a raise in insurance rates.

Probably depends on the particular insurance co

>Also 
>heard that the only time they check your driving record is when you apply, 
>or when you make a claim, so as long as you don't make a claim or change 
>agents before the ticket goes off your record, you'll stay with the 
>same rates.. 

This is how my agent (State Farm) told me they do it.

Mike
-- 
mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Xref: sparky rec.autos:21930 rec.autos.driving:5374
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Valentine One - WAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:57:37 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <BuFABM.8Ct@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
>Based on the glowing rave review posted here, as well as the high praise
>bestowed upo it by the editorial staff at Car & Driver in its October
>issue, I called Valentine Research this morning to order my very own
>Valentine One.
>
>Apparently a great many people had the same idea that I did, for I was
>told that the V-1 is BACK ORDERED UNTIL JANUARY(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
>
>		     WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! ;-)

	I liked the sound of this one too. Is there anywhere else to get a
	Valentine, like electronics stores etc., or is he just marketing it
	himself?
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: payman@milton.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Subject: **Seattle Area**: 1982 Oldsmobile for Sale
Reply-To: payman@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:36:07 GMT



           1982 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale For Sale
           ----------------------------------------

* Very Clean and in Excellent condition inside and out, runs great.

* New Carburetor/ New Brakes/ New Transmission/ New Starter,
  all with warranty. Very powerful gas (not Deisel) engine in top shape.

* Loaded: Automatic Transmission/ Power Steering/ Power Brakes/
  AM FM Radio/ Air Conditioner/ Rear Window De-froster/ Power
  Doors and Windows.

* 4 Door Sedan, holds 7 passengers: 3 front, 4 back. Large trunk.
  Very smooth and comfortable ride.

* Asking Price: $2490 or best offer

If interested contact by phone: (206) 367-5908.


-Payman
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: removing bumper stickers
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:45:10 GMT

|> To remove these bumper stickers, a friend of mine has suggested
|> repeated scrubbings with Dawn dishwashing liquid. Does anyone else
|> have any experience in this department? Care to share your methods and
|> results? Thanks for any suggestions...

I removed the side strips from my VW GTi which are similar tothe vinyl bumper stickers.
They were two long strips about 3" in width.  This method sounds scarey, but it worked fine.

First I used a propane torch and passed it over the sticker at about 5-6 inches, just enough
to heat the vinyl and soften it.  Then you can take a paint scrapper and lightly peel up an
edge and then pull off the softened sticker.  In some cases (depends on how low it's been
there) the glue will come the sticker.  If not wipe the remaining glue with paint thinner
to soften it and use the paint scraper to slowly and smoothly squeegee off the glue.  

If done properly, this method will not harm the paint such that a polishing compound cannot 
get out the scratches.  I actually got better results when I honed down the paint scraper to
have a razor like edge.  The technique takes some skill.  I would advise trying it on a
small area where a mistake will not be readily noticed.

Have fun :-)

Mark  (mark@wdc.sps.mot.com)      Tempe, AZ 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.225644.5049@spdc.ti.com> orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep8.185145.20384@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>>>
>>>II. the lap belts usually must be manually fastened; even long time,
>>>habitual seat belt wears find themselves forgetting to fasten the lap
>>>belts.
>
>     I've been driving an Eclipse with motorized belts @ 2 1/2 years now. I 
>always put the lap belt on. I cannot recall ever forgetting. I also inform 
>my passengers to put thiers on also.. Not that I like the belts or anything,
>I just think it's odd people would forget the other belt if they know it's 
>there and what it's for. I've sort-of gotten used to mine,

I have a '92 Saturn SL2, and always remember to fasten the lap belt.  In
the beginning, it was from paranoia because I'd heard horror stories of
decapitation and the like.  Now, I don't feel "right" without the lap
belt on.  I don't even feel like I have a seatbelt on at all without the
lap belt.

>but they are a hassle entering and exiting the car- especially for 
>passengers who are not used to them. I wish I had the option of which 
>type restraints were in my car.


Agreed, absolutely!  *I* don't have a problem, because the seatbelt goes
forward when I take the key out of the steering column, but it's
difficult for passengers to grasp that they need to open the door while
the seatbelt is still in place.  Feels really weird.  I can almost see
them thinking "Why am I bothering to open the door?  I can't go anywhere
until I take off the seatbelt."


>
>
>     "86 Ninja 600R"                               K.O.
>  "DOD #306 AMA #615088"                       T.I. Dallas Tx.
>    "Eclipse GS Turbo"                      Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
From: dlou@KRUSHER.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:00:55 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <24790@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
|> In rec.autos, lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) writes:
|> 
|> in drums. (I have never experienced fade in disc brakes, but I also
|> haven't raced them on a track. Then again, I never raced drums around
|> a track either. :)  I've worked on both also, and I can't stand drum
|> brakes.

Try doing a first generation Honda Accord (76-81)!

The pads are hidden behind a large frame so you have to remove the wheel
in order to inspect them.  There is also no wear sensor (i.e. metal tab).

If you have to replace the rotors, you have to remove the entire hub
assembly from the lower suspension arm and the strut in order to take it
to a machine shop to have them press the hub out.  When you get your
rotors back from grinding or new ones, you bolt them back to the hub
and you have to take the hub back to the shop in order to press them back
into the bearings.

Last time I did it, I knew the rotors were shot so I bought new ones
and used a sledge to knock the hub out of its bearings.  After I bolted
the new ones to the hub, I cranked down on the axle nut extra tight in
order to press them back into the bearings.

After that traumatic experience, I vowed I was only going to keep the car
until I graduate, then buy a new one.  It is now two years later and
40,000 miles later, I decide to continue on to grad school which starts
next week.  My pad backing just decided to grind itself into the rotor again.

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Oh yeah, these are with "lifetime guaranteed" brake pads, too!  Oh wow, 
free $15 brake pads.  Who's going to pay the $70 for new rotors and who
knows how much to get the hubs out?

Doing the drums on the back seem like child's play compared to replacing
front rotors.

The moral of the story: it isn't always easier servicing disk brakes.


-- 
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:48:33 EDT
From: <KAA110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: COLORMATCH paints

I've seen this garbage in the local supermarket for $5 a bottle!  I think that
if you do see the $29 on your charge, you should be ashamed of yourself.  Just
kidding.

        Kev  (kaa110@psuvm.psu.edu)
From: rtoth@aramis.rutgers.edu (Robert Toth)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ka Wideband - too much false alarms
Keywords: radar detectors wideband
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:42:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Take a look at the latest issue of Car and Driver.  They did a test on
six popular Ka wide band radar dectors.  Check it out.  I didn't read
the whole article yet but it looks interesting.

...rob
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ashwin@gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram)
Subject: Minivan prices - Toyota Previa
Reply-To: ashwin@cc.gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, College of Computing
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:16:55 GMT

The local Pace Membership Warehouse has a deal with a nearby Toyota dealer.
Members can buy a Toyota Previa at 6% over dealer invoice, "no hidden costs".
For a $20,000 minivan (approximately), that works out to a $1,200 markup (but
still much below sticker price).  I know $1,200 is too much of a markup for many
cars, but I don't know the minivan market.

Is that a good price for a Previa?  How much are they selling for?  Anyone
bought one recently?

Also, assuming that the 6% deal carries over into the next year, would it be
worth waiting for a 1993?

Thanks,
Ashwin.
From: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:36:21 GMT
Subject: Re: MPG (was: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA