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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: Electric Cars
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:16:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.170749.29334@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon) writes:

>The test model of the GM Impact will outperform a
>Porsche on the road, so this kind of performance is possible and I
>think if more people give the electric car industry some recognition
>we'll see high performers before the end of the milennium.

I sincerely doubt it, unless battery research develops a huge
breakthrough very quickly.  As a former owner of a Porsche and a
Impact enthusiast (I would buy one if GM would sell it, even at
$18,000), the Impact would be no match.  Even though it _doesn't_ meet
the DOT safety standards (the Impact does not have the safety beams in
the doors, or any kind of bumpers, and would never meet the roof
strength requirements, etc).

--
...ignoring the fact that most Alfas spend their time cruising for
chicks, most Datsuns being washed and most Porsches in parking spaces
marked "Doctor"...              -Henry N. Manney III, Road and Track
Al Bowers                                 bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: eli@spdcc.com (Steve Elias)
Subject: sentra vs. saturn vs. civic
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:42:20 GMT

a note to yall considering saturns/sentras/civics.

if your tastes run more towards: 4 door, performance,
you might wanna consider the civic EX.  it's probably about
the same price as sentra GXE, but does not come with AC standard.

no AC was a requirement for me, since i don't want to 
be stuck with a pre-1995 AC system when freon becomes illegal in 1995.
i prefer to wait for honda to start selling non-freon AC systems
that can be dropped into older (pre1995) hondas.  hopefully they
will indeed do this.

the one thing i really don't like about sentra is that it 
looks too much like a DODGE DART!  boxy & ugly, imho.
i like the civic guinea pig shape much better.

and i'd never consider saturn because my last 3 vehicles 
were all GM.  i've had enough of GM for a few years at least.

/eli
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:16:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.194459.2994@b11.b11.ingr.com> greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz) writes:
>
>I 'considered investing in the future of America' in 1985 when I bought
>my Ford (lemon) Mustang SVO.  [I'll spare you the details.]  I won't 
>give the American makes a second chance to screw me again without waiting
>for them to *prove* themselves.

This comment is pretty funny, really.  First of all, you are saying that
since you bought a Ford that sucked, you won't give any other American
auto maker the chance to sell you a car.  If you bought a lemon of a
Japanese car, would you then rule out *all* Japanese automobiles as
being unrealiable and not worth your money??

Secondly, you can hardly say that you bought the Ford before the company
had a chance to "prove themselves".  After all, how long has Ford been
in business?  Longer than I've been around, anyway.  Since you obviously
can't judge a car by the longevity of the company, why not look at what
the company has done *so far* and judge it on that.

>I hope that your Saturn turns out to be great and that you have no 
>problems with it.  GM/Ford/Chrysler are running out of people who are
>willing to give them another chance.

Saturn (i.e. GM) is far from running out of people willing to give them
another chance.  Saturn sales increased by 187% last year (yeah, I
know, they sold so few cars the first year that there was no way to go
but up).  Their in-stock inventory is approximately 1/4 of other
dealers, and they sell the cars as fast as they can get them in.  I am
seeing more and more of them everywhere I go.

Yes, the company is unproven, but *someone's* got to give them a chance.
It's kind of like denying credit to a person who is trying to establish
credit -- how can you establish yourself if no one will give you a
chance.  Well, O.K., I'll be the guinnea pig.  You sit back and wait
while everyone else takes the risks and tries to improve this country's
economy.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: GM/DELCO GUYS ARE GREAT!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:11:11 GMT

Hi: I have to say that I am glad to see GM turned (turning) around.

I was havin' a little trouble with my radio [it was fuzzy]..so I called
Pontiac and they said 'its DELCO..call them (they said it nicely)'. So
I posted a message here [just as good as callin' anyone]..and a nice
guy from delco read my letter (Mr. Niccum) and get back to me. He gave me some
ideas and mailed my a bunch of tech stuff..and he went out of his way
to ask around for people with VIN numbers sim. to mine..and asked them
questions...and got back to me on that too...

I have to admit..this last few years..GM and their buddies are really doing
a good job...not like they did when we got our Celebery in 86 <G>
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: ml@jezebel.wustl.edu (Matthew Lundberg)
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:21:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.234302.2803@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>Know why we (California) are in IOUs? becuase the CHP is
>buying fancy mustangs and probes, and gmc syclones.
>--

Do you actually believe that they buy all of their new vehicles?  I tend to
doubt it, in this country of declining individual rights and increased
police siezures.  All those new cars don't go to the school districts.


Matthew Lundberg         ml@jezebel.wustl.edu
Washington University, 
Dept of Mathematics      "You'll PAY to know what you REALLY think"
St. Louis, MO  63130                                    Dobbs, 1961
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bruce@gordian.com (Bruce Hafford)
Subject: Re: Integra pricing
Organization: Gordian
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:21:23 GMT

>Sounds like a good deal to me! A Saturn SL2 (new) with similar features
>costs $12,700. If I had the money I would definitely go for it.

Uhh, yeah, but the SL2 does have a rear seat you can really sit in.
And $12.7k for that SL2 sounds a bit high.  And don't pay real
money for a factory stereo!

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kiran@himalaya.gatech.edu (Kiran Achyutuni)
Subject: 87 Toyota Tercel cold start problem
Summary: driveability problem
Keywords: tercel cold
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:12:54 GMT

My 87 Toyota tercel seems to suffer from an 
unusual  cold start problem, namely, after 
the usual warmpup time of about a minute or two,
and after being set in motion, the car doesn't
move smooth. It moves as though it is gasping for
breath. The result is that, it seems due to an
intermittent loss of power, the car moves like 
a frog. However, after moving about 100-200 yards,
and the engine has sufficiently warmed up, it
car begins to travel real smooth and the problem
doesn't reappear again until the engine is cold
once more. 

I checked with a tune-up clinic mechanic, and in
his opinion, he thinks the fuel intake valves and
the carbeurator are clogged up with carbon. He suggested
that I get the carbon dissolved by some chemical process.

Before embarking on such a step, I would like to hear
from other owners (past or present) of 87 tercel and 
car experts 
how they handled the problem if they had one. 

You can either post your replies to this newsgroup or
e-mail me direct at kiran@cc.gatech.edu.

Thanks

Kiran 
					
					-Kiran Achyutuni (kiran@cc.gatech.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hkk38381@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Arthur Kwok)
Subject: Rebates on Toyota Paseo???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:53:42 GMT


Can someone tell me if there is a rebate on Paseo???
Also, what do you think of Paseo???

Thanks.


Art

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dcook@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Daniel B. Cook)
Subject: Explorer vs new Jeep: want opinions and facts
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: rec.autos
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:29:46 GMT


I've been planning to get a Ford Explorer for some time now (about 2
years!). However, I have inadvertently waited so long that now the
new '93 Laredo series from Jeep is out. I want to know some facts and
some peoples opinions on the two, if they have any (and I'm sure they do).

1. (as per an earlier article) any comments on the 4-wheel ABS on the
   Jeep versus the two-wheel ABS on the Explorer.

2. The Explorer has no airbag. The too-eager salesman at the Ford place
   told me that since it's a truck, it wasn't really necessary. I call
   bullshit on that. Is it prohibitively costly (or impossible) to get 
   one put on?

3. What is the base price on the NEW Laredo and the NEW Grand Cherokee?

4. Is the NEW Jeep series supposed to be any more reliable than the old? I've
   heard that it's got a whole new manufacturing line with workers of an older
   average age who really want to make a good car. Is this all true?  I've heard
   lots of scary stories about previous year models of Jeep being plagued with
   problems.

5. I plan to actually use the car for some decent back-road driving. I don't
   want to go up a hillside or anything, but some definite dirt-road, mountain-
   pass, out-of-the-way places are in order. Also, I may want to be able to
   clear about 1/4 mile of private dirt driveway in the wintertime with an 
   attachable snowplow.  Is the Explorer up to all this, or should I go with
   the more powerful Jeep?

Any replies to me should be sent via e-mail for two reasons. I don't read
the group often, and I'm leaving the company in two days. As of August 1, please
e-mail responses to: bonnier@microsoft.com and they should get forwarded to me.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bruce@gordian.com (Bruce Hafford)
Subject: any knowledge of the 93 Corolla/Prizm??
Organization: Gordian
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:48:17 GMT

Subj says it all - anyone know anything about the
engine, features, etc?  I was told ABS and airbag will be standard
for not too much $$$ - anyone know???

bruce@gordian.com

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Subject: LOJACK
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:27:18 GMT


does anyone out there have A LOJACK system????

is it worth the $$$ (how much does it cost anyway????)
any info would be great!

any ohter information about other alarm systems CLUB, ect....


what is the best system to get???
how much will it cost me????
any info??


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tom@wc.msc.edu (Tom Kroeten)
Subject: 55-57 Chevy Mailing List?
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:33:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.071332.4505@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> chu@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Eugene Chu) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me if there is a a Mustang related mailing
>>list and if so how do I get in contact?
>>
>Try sending mail to one of the following:
>
How's about one for 55-57 Chevys?  Or does one have to settle for
a "classic" mailing list?  Thanks.    -tom

Xref: sparky rec.autos:18630 misc.legal:15002
From: lane@duphy4.physics.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Really a policeman? (was Re: Unmarked COP Cars)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:00:34 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Drexel University Physics

In article <1992Jul28.035848.10644@cs.ucla.edu>, wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales) writes:
> I am cross-posting this to misc.legal as well as rec.autos, because of
> the legal issues involved.
>
> In rec.autos, Jeff Chilton described being pulled over by an out-of-
> uniform policeman in an unmarked car, and wrote:
>
>       I guess my point is, that they (COPS) are out there in all
>       kinds of dress, and all kinds of vehicles.  Just because
>       you are pulled over on the highway or wherever, it doesn't
>       mean that it's a traffic enforcement officer . . . .  My
>       advice would be to keep the motor running, and the car in
>       gear, with the window rolled down just enough to hear until
>       you are shown some pretty authentic looking ID.
>
>......................
>
> Unfortunately, another part of me concedes that if I were to follow my
> own advice, I might well end up in =bad= legal trouble (or worse!) for
> refusing to obey a policeman, assaulting a policeman, etc.
>
> Something definitely needs to be done about this kind of thing.
>

This may already have been mentioned, but a few months ago there were
newspaper reports of someone stopping lone female motorists (acting as
if they were a plainclothes cop in an unmarked car) and sexually
assaulting them.   This was on I-95 in Delaware.  Last I heard they
never caught the bozo.

If, in fact, one did land in `=bad= legal trouble', I'd think that a
few of these newspaper stories would go a long way toward convincing
a judge that some paranoia on your part was justified.

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From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Neeeded - Name of Car
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:16:18 GMT
Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil
Organization: Grumman Data Systems
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-16894]: invader.navo.navy.mil

In article <1992Jul31.160642.1712@koko.csustan.edu>, james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul31.142641.8448@cs.tulane.edu> finnegan@navo.navy.mil writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul31.124753.487@trantor.harris-atd.com>, pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com (barone philip 00309) writes:
|> >|> IAEXP000@BLURT.OSWEGO.EDU writes:
|> >|> : In a new Burger King commercial (for fish sandwiches or some such) a young
|> >|> : couple is stranded in the desert with a flat tire in a classic blue 
|> >|> : convertable.  Can someone identify for me the name and year of this car?
|> >|> : 
|> >|>     Was there a car in that commercial! I didn't even see it. That babe is
|> >|>     sooo hottt I can't believe it. I guess I just like Poka Dots. Hey that 
|> >|>     rhymes.
|> >|> 
|> >I believe the car in the commercial is a VW Karmann Ghia convertible. Hard
|> >to tell what year.  Ask in rec.autos.vw
|> 
|> No its a cadillac. I think around '60. Its got a nice paint job.

Really?  Maybe I'm thinking of the Taco Bell commercial.  

Kenneth
finnegan@navo.navy.mil

"Man, it's been a year and my ears are still ringing!"

                                          -Saddam Hussein
                                           (in a letter to Car & Driver)
From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Neeeded - Name of Car
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:26:41 GMT
Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil
Organization: Grumman Data Systems
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-6134]: invader.navo.navy.mil

In article <1992Jul31.124753.487@trantor.harris-atd.com>, pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com (barone philip 00309) writes:
|> IAEXP000@BLURT.OSWEGO.EDU writes:
|> : I'm not sure if this is the right newsgroup for this, and if it's not then
|> : please point me in the right direction.
|> :  
|> : In a new Burger King commercial (for fish sandwiches or some such) a young
|> : couple is stranded in the desert with a flat tire in a classic blue 
|> : convertable.  Can someone identify for me the name and year of this car?
|> :  
|> : 
|>     Was there a car in that commercial! I didn't even see it. That babe is
|>     sooo hottt I can't believe it. I guess I just like Poka Dots. Hey that 
|>     rhymes.
|> 

I believe the car in the commercial is a VW Karmann Ghia convertible. Hard
to tell what year.  Ask in rec.autos.vw

Kenneth
finnegan@navo.navy.mil
From: vincent@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Vincent Stemen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Is this car rare/valuable?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:15:28 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


I am posting this for a friend. 


      I have a question for you antique car buffs.
  I own a 1966 AMC Ambasador coupe 2 door that is in very good 
  condition and I have been trying to find any info I can on it
  such as value, rarity, where to get parts, etc.  Everyone I have 
  talked to thinks that it is a 4 door and says it is worth only a 
  couple hundred dollars until mention it is a 2 door coupe then 
  they say they have never heard of an Ambasador coupe before.  
  When I try to buy parts, they don't seem to list it in the books.  
  If anybody can help me in any way I would be very appreciative.
                          

                                   Thank You 
                                   David S. Baxter


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Urgent advice needed (MX-6 v/s Probe)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:59:47 GMT

>>  My two finalists are the 1993 Mazda MX-6 (base model, not LS) and the
>>  1993 Ford Probe (again, base model, not the GT).  I do know that both
> 
>>  I would appreciate any/every comment you have - and please make it soon
>>  'coz 3 days from now I might own one of these beauties.
>> 
You might want to check the August '92 issue of Car and Driver, with a
test of both the Probe and MX-6.

This coming Friday I'm finally getting an MX-6 for the next test car.
If you want to hold off your purchase, I'll be glad to pass along my
observations regarding the car.  Haven't had the Probe yet.

bob
From: rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Steam Clean Engine
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.95r
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:29:38 EST
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange

In an article, kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>There are cautions, though- try to avoid firing a high-speed stream of water
>directly onto connectors- sometimes water can seep in. 

If you try to wash an engine at a car wash with the high power water, you 
should take care to cover the distributor cap, and don't pull the handle(use 
the low pressure mode). Also take a can of WD-40, if you do get the 
distributor cap wet, you can spray it with the WD-40 and it will dry it out.

Also, I had a friend who was "stuck" at the car wash with his '92 Shadow, he 
used the high power spray and actually disconnected the distributor pickup 
coil. This is definatly something to remember...
From: bill@bain3.bain.oz.au (Bill Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: LHD v RHD
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:14:55 GMT
Organization: Bain & Company, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Sorry about the last title - I would like archives not from an archive
... flame away.

Regards

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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:39:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Honda Concerto
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, roberts@syacus.acus.oz.au (Robert Salier) writes:

|cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
|
|>I saw a Honda ad in a recent issue of The Times (of London) which featured
|>the Accord, the Concerto, and the Civic. What they called Civic was the
|>hatchback, while the Concerto seemed to be the size of the 4DR Civic
|>available in the States. It seemed different though. Any idea if the
|>Concerto is indeed equivalent to the 4DR Civic we see in the States? Are
|>the body styling differences significant?
|>--
|>Constantinos A. Caroutas
|
|If it's the same Concerto as they sell in Aust, it is a 4-door lift-back
|based on the Civic platform, but with an emphasis on luxury.  It's been
|around for a while now ('88 or '89), and will be replaced in the next year.
|Price is just above that of the Civic range.  Engine is a fuel-injected
|version of the 1.6L Civic engine.  It has not sold well here.  Road tests
|have generally labelled the Concerto competent, but boring.
|
|- Robert

The Concerto sold in Singapore (and UK) is positioned between the Civic and
the Accord.  They also masquerade as Rover 200 series cars.

The concerto comes in 1.4 (single carb) and 1.6 (twin carb or injected, 16V).
Sorry, I don't have the hp, torque numbers now.  All come in sedan or liftback
versions, altho the local market here only has the liftback in 1.4 only.

The body is a bit stiffer than the civic and so has less rattles and twisting,
the suspension is also stiffer than the civic and accord -- it appears to
be positioned as a sporty sedan (whatever that is), but the car still retains
much of the accord soggy suspension.

The 1.6TC engine is also found in some civic models (civic engine was, until
the Vtec model came out, 1.3 or 1.5 single carb, 8 or 16V resp).

Handling wise, not much better than the civic, good as a mode of transport.
Like what Robert Salier mentioned, competant.  A nice family car.

lawrence
From: koustubh@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Koustubh Jha)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mazda MX-6 Mailing List??
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:15:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucunix.1992Jul22.221531.22719
Organization: University of Cincinnati


  Could someone post the mailing list address for the Maxzda MX-6.

  Thanx. 

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: r2msm@vm1.cc.uakron.edu
Subject: Re: Seeking opinions on sentra SE-R
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:43:10 GMT

In article <Bs2AuL.J7q@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
awhg2445@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew W. Hull) writes:
 
>
>I'm looking at a 1991 Sentra SE-R tonight.
>The asking price is $11,000.  The car has
>8000 miles, comes with A/C, power sunroof,
>and Cassete (I know, never buy a car for
>its radio! 8-)  ).
>
 
One of my friends here (Ohio), got a deal on a Stanza. He had to just
pay $1400 more for a Stanza than a Sentra. You probably want to ask your
dealer that.
 
>Thanks for any input.  And feel free to answer
>any questions that I haven't asked.
   Anytime.....
>
>Andy Hull
  Cheers
    Madhav