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From: raob@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (richard oxbrow)
Subject: Re: SPARC Classic edu pricing
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:46:10 GMT

In article <peterj.722160609@infs1> peterj@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Peter E. Jones) writes:
>Has anyone got any joy out of Sun on how they have arrived at their
>Australian discounted (sic) price for the Classic?  In the US
>the list price for the Classic is U$4,295 and edu at U$3,356.
>The Oz price of A$8,500 hardly makes it competitive with other choices.
>

Something like this i guess..

	4295/0.70 = 6135.71

	@33 1/3%  ~ 2045.00 (profit etc..)

	Total =  $8180

	I guess the difference is shipping.. etc.. 

Sun like all companies needs to make a profit too..(that inclues Sun Australia)

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From: kang@mel.dbce.csiro.au (Kang Ho)
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
Subject: Re: Sparcstation LX and Classic
Keywords: LX Classic and Solaris 2.1
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:39:11 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO, Div. Building Constr. and Eng'ing, Melb., Australia

In article <1992Nov16.082720.1355@fulcrum.oz.au> paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham) writes:

>Solaris 2.1 will ship Dec. 7 with the LX and Classic. Please don't confuse
>this with shipments to end users directly [Large orders get filled first, in
>my experience]. Solaris 2.2 will ship with SPARCcenter 2000 in April.

Is the release date of Dec 7 also for Solaris for x86 variant? While I'm
at it, has anyone got the RRP for Solaris for x86? Is there a catalogue
of shrink-wrapped software for this Intel platform? Thanks,

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Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: Sparcstation LX and Classic
Keywords: LX Classic and Solaris 2.1
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:27:20 GMT

kirk@cc.uow.edu.au (Kirk) writes:

>* The Sun bod mentioned the Solaris2.1 release but never gave us any details.
>I have since heard almost from the horses mouth that Solaris2.1 will not be
>available in Oz until April '93. What happens with the LX and classic which
>are supposedly shipped with Solaris2.1 pre-install I'm not sure.
> Anyone have any idea why the late release of Solaris2.1 in Oz when the 2.1
>release has been announced in the US as available "by the end of the year" ????

Solaris 2.1 will ship Dec. 7 with the LX and Classic. Please don't confuse
this with shipments to end users directly [Large orders get filled first, in
my experience]. Solaris 2.2 will ship with SPARCcenter 2000 in April.

Solaris 2.1 is also the first push release of Solaris 2, i.e. it will be
shipped to customers with software support contracts. All other customers
will have to buy upgrades.

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Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
From: alistair@dnd.icp.nec.com.au (Alistair Borley)
Subject: Re: Sparcstation LX and Classic
Keywords: LX Classic and Solaris 2.1
Organization: I.C.P. Design & Development, NEC Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:05:36 GMT

kirk@cc.uow.edu.au (Kirk) writes:


>At the Sun product release in Sydney yesterday the Sun Sales bods
>were saying the LX would sell for between $9500 and $10000 Australian
>($9995 I imagine) but didn't quote a price for the Classic. I imagine
>that the Classic will come in below the IPC as that is where Sun have
>placed it in their product range. I think this will also push the price 
>of an ELC down as well. I supppose we will here more about this soon.

>Some other interesting things that came out of the Sun product release
>yesterday were:

>* Sun have release the SPARCcenter2000 in the US with a base configuration
>of 2 SuperSPARC chips but here in OZ they are only offering a base 
>config with 4 SuperSPARC chips - Too bad if you only want 2 but then I suppose
>you would probably look at the 670 or 690 then.

>* The Sun bod mentioned the Solaris2.1 release but never gave us any details.
>I have since heard almost from the horses mouth that Solaris2.1 will not be
>available in Oz until April '93. What happens with the LX and classic which
>are supposedly shipped with Solaris2.1 pre-install I'm not sure.
> Anyone have any idea why the late release of Solaris2.1 in Oz when the 2.1
>release has been announced in the US as available "by the end of the year" ????


>Kirk Barrett


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I recently attended the Melbourne release of the above products. I believe
the Sparce Classic is going to be about 10K and the LX is going to be about 17K.

According to the presentation they are positioning the Classic between
the IPC and ELC and the LX between the IPX and Sparc2.
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ICP Group, NEC Australia
649 Springvale Rd, Mulgrave 3170, Australia
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
From: alistair@dnd.icp.nec.com.au (Alistair Borley)
Subject: Why buy an LX over a Classic ?
Keywords: SparcLX & Sparc Classic
Organization: I.C.P. Design & Development, NEC Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:07:46 GMT

Note: Also posted in comp.sys.sun.hardware.

The new series of products has just been officially released in Australia.
The machines that we are interested in are the lower end SparcStation LX
and Sparc Classic. It seems that both are claimed to run at 59.1 MIPS. The
main differences are:

	o ISDN support
	o CD quality audio (single channel?)
	o Graphics accelerator
	o Classic is about half the price of the LX

If we're not doing graphics work and already have a file server, why would we
consider buying an LX over a Classic (given that the claimed MIPs rating is
the same)?

The Sparc2 is rated at 28 MIPs according to the Sun propaganda sheets we have.
This being the case, why would anyone buy a Sparc2 now instead of an LX?

Alistair
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Senior Software Engineer
ICP Group, NEC Australia
649 Springvale Rd, Mulgrave 3170, Australia
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
From: winter@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Derek Winter)
Subject: SPARCstation 10 Graphics Options
Organization: CenSIS at University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:16:48 GMT

Hello All,

					Investigating the options available for the SPARC 10 series, there are 4
different Graphics Accelerator chips which can be used. In the advertising
these are outlined as shown below, BUT this does not mean a great deal to me.
Could some one please explain what the asterisked (*) terms mean, and what
practical significance they have? i.e. what real benefits are there from moving
from GX -> GXPlus -> GS -> GT?

					Thanks for your help.
 
Here are the options... 

                GX      8bit 2D/3D wireframe(*)
                        1152x900 resolution
                
																GXPlus  8bit 2D/3D wireframe
                        1280x1024 resolution
                        hardware double buffering(*)

                GS      24bit 3D solids(*)
                        1152x900 resolution
                        double buffering
                        Z-buffer(*)
                        Gouraud shading(*)
                        Depth cueing(*)

                GT      24bit 3D solids
                        1280x1024 resolution
                        double buffering
                        Z-buffer
                        Gouraud shading
                        Depth cueing
                        Transparency(*)
                        Anti-aliasing(*)
                        Overlays(*)

												Thanks for your help.

													Regards,
																Derek.
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
From: gnb@baby.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Subject: Re: SPARC Classic edu pricing
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:20:23 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:46:10 GMT, raob@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (richard oxbrow) said:
>> Something like this i guess..
>> 	4295/0.70 = 6135.71
>> 	@33 1/3%  ~ 2045.00 (profit etc..)
>> 	Total =  $8180

The fallacy here is that you are taking the US retail (which already
includes profit margin etc) and adding yet another another 1/3 gross
margin.

A better bet would be to assume local margin is about comparable to
the US:

	4295 / .68 (Aussie dollars!) ~= 6329
	Shipping (*): 			 500 
	Aust theoretical RRP (ex tax)	6999
	Actual rrp		       ~9500 ex, or ~11,400 tax paid.

(* this is for airfreight; I bet it would be less than that by the
containerload)

Now the most expensive 486DX66 I have seen in the Green Guide is
around $5k tax paid, or well under half the cost of the Classic.  How
can they possibly claim these things are price competitive?  Add
Solaris (for < $1k) and you are running the _same_ software, and still
about half the price!

All of which indicates that the local prices on these units are
probably dicsountable, unlike the U.S.

As an aside, I was very, very impressed with the architecture of the
SS2000.  Comes with 256Mb of RAM, minimum! Not cheap, but.

Greg.
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From: kang@mel.dbce.csiro.au (Kang Ho)
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
Subject: Re: SPARC Classic edu pricing
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:12:43 GMT
Organization: CSIRO, Div. Building Constr. and Eng'ing, Melb., Australia

In article <peterj.722160609@infs1> peterj@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Peter E. Jones) writes:
>Has anyone got any joy out of Sun on how they have arrived at their
>Australian discounted (sic) price for the Classic?  In the US
>the list price for the Classic is U$4,295 and edu at U$3,356.
>The Oz price of A$8,500 hardly makes it competitive with other choices.

Gee, I'm surprised at the difference in price. Even accounting for the higher
cost of doing business here in Oz, lower Aussie dollar and sales tax, it still
doesn't add up. What more, I believe the C Compiler doesn't come with it. You
have to buy it additionally. It is sad, but I think Sun has gone the way of
the _big_ computer companies and forgotten its early days and grass-root
support :-(


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Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
From: peterj@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Peter E. Jones)
Subject: SPARC Classic edu pricing
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:10:09 GMT

Has anyone got any joy out of Sun on how they have arrived at their
Australian discounted (sic) price for the Classic?  In the US
the list price for the Classic is U$4,295 and edu at U$3,356.
The Oz price of A$8,500 hardly makes it competitive with other choices.

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From: robert@gollum.cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Ruge)
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
Subject: Re: SPARC Classic edu pricing
Date: 20 Nov 1992 02:01:44 GMT
Organization: Department of Comp/Maths - Deakin University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gollum.cm.deakin.oz.au

In article <peterj.722160609@infs1>, peterj@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Peter E. Jones) writes:
|> Has anyone got any joy out of Sun on how they have arrived at their
|> Australian discounted (sic) price for the Classic?  In the US
|> the list price for the Classic is U$4,295 and edu at U$3,356.
|> The Oz price of A$8,500 hardly makes it competitive with other choices.
|> 
|> --
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|> Electrical & Electronic Eng            /     \  Fax:   +61 9 380 1065
|> University of Western Australia --->>  P_.-._/
|> NEDLANDS, Western Australia 6009            o   E-mail: peterj@swanee.uwa.oz.au

Agreed. This is supposed to be the extra low cost colour system but in
fact we have been able to purchase a colour IPC for a lower cost for at
least the last six months. I know that our dollar is down to .78US but
a 250% markup is ridiculous. One point is that the US$3,356 is for the 15"
colour system which SUN OZ does not seem to be supporting so that would
add $1,000 to the cost.

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Department of Computing & Mathematics	PHONE:  +61 52 271319
Deakin University
Victoria, 3217
Newsgroups: aus.sun-works
From: paulr@fulcrum.oz.au (Paul Rosham)
Subject: Re: SPARC Classic edu pricing
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:01:26 GMT

robert@gollum.cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Ruge) writes:

>Agreed. This is supposed to be the extra low cost colour system but in
>fact we have been able to purchase a colour IPC for a lower cost for at
>least the last six months. I know that our dollar is down to .78US but
>a 250% markup is ridiculous. One point is that the US$3,356 is for the 15"
>colour system which SUN OZ does not seem to be supporting so that would
>add $1,000 to the cost.

Kel Jones (Sun Aus. Marketing) told me at the Melbourne launch last week that
the 1024x768 monitor was not being sold in Australia as they could not get a
Southern hemisphere version. This may change later. This is not a straight
VGA monitor, however, as it has a DB13W3 connector, so as to supply ID
information to the system.

Given that the signals are otherwise similar, it may be possible to hardwire
a DB13W3 to SVGA adapter.

F  U  L  C  R  U  M                                                     ()
__________________________________________________________________________
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                        Senior Consultant                             ""
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North Fitzroy VIC 3068, Australia                      Fax: +61-3-482-4161
Newsgroups: news.future
From: sfw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Syed F. Waseem)
Subject: INQUIRY
Summary: information
Keywords: PASS
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:20:46 GMT

     Dear Readers,

        Does anybody know whether there is any group for stamp collectors.
 If there is, please send e-mail at my address.

      sfw1@ra.msstate.edu


    Thanks

Newsgroups: news.software.b,alt.fan.warlord
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: Test postings & Long Silence 
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:06:03 GMT

rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk (Roger Whitehead) writes:
[3 lines of quoted text deleted]
>Can we construe this message as an apology for messing us about and for
>wasting our line time?
>
>Roger
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>Roger Whitehead,
>Director,
>Office Futures,
>14 Amy Road,
>Oxted,
>Surrey    RH8 0PX
>England
>
>Telephone:  +44 883 713074
>Fax:  +44 883 716793
>Email:  rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk

Speaking of wasted ``line time'', are you going to apologize for that
hideously excessive signature?  Do you think the rest of the world really
cares about your mailing address, telephone, fax and stupid ascii border?
Do you think the rest of the world is unable to read the header to find out
your email address?

Do the words Pot, Kettle, and Black evoke any memories?

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I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk (Roger Whitehead)
Subject: Test postings & Long Silence            
Cc: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:41:00 +0000

> People, please stop flaming me for test messages.  I have spent the
> last hour responding to wild flaming, and I don't have time to respond . .

Can we construe this message as an apology for messing us about and for
wasting our line time?

Roger

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Fax:  +44 883 716793
Email:  rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Xref: sparky news.software.b:3386 news.software.nntp:1552
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp
Subject: INN: Why does rmgroup/changegroup run only in run mode
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:48:53 GMT
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com


I was doing a general cleanup of the active file tonight and had
about 55 changegroups and rmgroups to do.  I know I could have
edited the active file directly, but I decided to try them via
inn's ctlinnd.

First I tried to do it on line and noticed via the logs that
it closed and reopened all feeds.  I thought that was a waste
of time, so I throttled things and tried again.

For all the rmgroups and changegroups I got a 'must be running'
message.  If it can handle a newgroup while throttled, why not
those two?

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========================================================================
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From: news@uni-paderborn.de (News Uni-Paderborn)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: After INN instalation: problems to post
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:17:31 +0100
Organization: Uni Paderborn FB 17 Informatik GERMANY
NNTP-Posting-Host: uni-paderborn.de

After i have installed INN, some Newsreaders have problems to post.
The errormessage is:

can't get list of newsgroup.Permission dinied
Article not posted.

leini  (leini@uni-paderborn.de)
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Two-hop UUCP feed with C-news
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:48:51 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Nov22.214026.14662@tigger.jvnc.net> aggarwal@tigger.jvnc.net (Vikas Aggarwal) writes:
>Does anyone have a 'viaftp' sender ? I know that its easy to write,
>but I guess handling of failed FTP's would require some thought,
>and if someone's already done it, it would help.

>There are a fair number of 'leaf' sites directly on the Internet that
>would benefit a lot by using a uucp style transfer (using 'ftp') 
>instead of NNTP (even with the expected NNTP-2).

Why bother?  Geoff's rsh script is one very simple way of doing it
provided that the destination userid is somehow secure and restricted.
Another way is to simply set up UUCP to run over TCP.  The nice
thing about this is that queueing is taken care of for you.  Why futz
around with FTP?
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From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: short numbers in active?
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:45:34 GMT
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario

I know this one comes up fairly frequently, but I don't remember the answer.
My problem can be summarized by the following from the errlog file:

relaynews: article number (100000) too big for group `junk' active field of 5 digits
relaynews: can't file in junk group; is it absent from active?

How do I increase the length of the numbers in active?  (For now, I'm just
going to lock news, then manually increase the entry for junk, but there
_must_ be a better way.)

BTW - I haven't ugraded to the performance release yet.  Are all the bugs
out yet?

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I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Two-hop UUCP feed with C-news
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:14:31 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov22.214026.14662@tigger.jvnc.net> aggarwal@tigger.jvnc.net (Vikas Aggarwal) writes:
>Does anyone have a 'viaftp' sender ? I know that its easy to write,
>but I guess handling of failed FTP's would require some thought,
>and if someone's already done it, it would help.

No viaftp I'm afraid...
but I've done a similar thing with "some other unnamed file transfer mechanism"
and it worked well.  I've also heard of some people using rdist too.
If you want to do this, look into bftp since it will handle retries etc.

Cheers,
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@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
Newsgroups: news.software.b,comp.sys.3b1
From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura)
Subject: Re: HELP!!! extremely weird problem with relaynews. (performance release)
Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:58:44 GMT
Keywords: cnews 3b1 unixpc relaynews

In <By54s3.2It@hico2.westmark.com> afc@shibaya.lonestar.org writes:
>Then I started seeing 
>	relaynews: unknown sysflag `j' given
>in the mail cnews sends.

Your sys file is probably messed up look for a line like this:

system:groups/distributions:j:

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				Christoph Badura  ---  bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org

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					IBM Rep at GUUG Symposium '92
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