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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Susan's Devolution: Impossible, one can't devolve that far (was Re: Chaney's evolution
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:53:28 GMT

In article <3712@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:

Shut up, Adrienne.  


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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Celibate marriages? (was Re: Well, I lost that article...)
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.233429.20447@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.003313.18002@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>
>>[Me and Bill Overpeck were talking.  I said that state schools should teach
>>children that their bodies are their own, and that nobody has the right to
>>use them against their wills.]
>>
>>[Bill asked, something along the lines of, so do you think the schools should
>>teach about abstinance?]
>>
>>If they're going to teach it in terms of being the only 100% guaranteed,
>>foolproof method of avoiding pregnancy, and all STD's, yes.
>
>	And will it also be taught that the safest marriage is a
>celibate one? 
>
>	I may add that the ideal of celibate marriage was actually
>taught by the medieval Church; they called it the "Josephite marriage"
>on the ground that Joseph and Mary had supposedly never had sex with
>each other. See Ute Ranke-Heinemann's _Eunuchs for the Kingdom of
>Heaven_ for more fun info of this sort.
>
>	And if marriage is conceded safe, will "living together" also
>be conceded safe?

Loren, I'm not making any sort of comment about marriage, I'm talking about
abstinence.
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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,soc.men,soc.women
From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: Notable "Pro-life"/Anti-Choice Quotes
Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:53:00 GMT

In article <3506@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> 
csulaima@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Cynthia Renee Sulaiman) writes:

> Received this in the mail yesterday, thought someone could make use
> of it:
> [.. quotes deleted ..]

Here, you forgot one:

     "My logic is based on ... a religious perspective which says
that personhood begins at birth (actually a month after birth if
we want to be precise)..."
  -- Gloria Feldt,
     chief executive, Planned Parenthood of Central and Northern Arizona

> thanks to Planned Parenthood for providing the quotes

<snigger>


Doug Holtsinger

Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: What *is* Homophobia (formerly: SLAMMING HOMOSEXUALS...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:48:49 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Keywords: From: decay@

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.211155.13409@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>
>>People aren't monogamous.  Welcome to the real world.

>fusco is not part of the real world.  He is living in the world of
>his bible, which is about 1500 years ago.

More like 1900 for the New Testament, and as much as 3000 or more for
the Old.
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From: smccabe@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Sarah A McCabe)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: FUNNY PP
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:19:56 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul27.193735.29722@uceng.UC.EDU> vlsi06@nest.ece.uc.edu (Gregory S Clausen) writes:
>In <1992Jul27.165146.7915> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>>The third assumption meant to say "fetus", instead of the erroneous "baby".
>>Obviously, Planned Parenthood has learned.  I suggest you do the same.
>
>As to your suggestion, thanks, but no thanks.
>

Yet another pro-lifer turns his back on education and continues to wallow
in ignorance.

Sarah McCabe
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach)
Subject: Re: Did Clinton embrace the pro-life position??
Originator: forgach@gemini.tuc.noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:15:54 GMT

From article by dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger):
> 
>   "Take responsibility for your children, or we will force you to do so."
> 
>    -- Bill Clinton, speaking at the Democratic National Convention


You noticed that too, did you.  (Although he was addressing deadbeat dads.)
I guess whatever's _convenient_ to his campaign.

My mom saw the incident on the news, of the pro-lifers who approached
Bill Clinton in New York to show him the body of the dead fetus.  She 
said that such a dark cloud suddenly passed over his face, that she was
immediately struck with the question of how many abortions Jennifer
Flowers has had.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: smgarvin@nyx.cs.du.edu (susan garvin)
Subject: Re: Dreiux for Pope!  
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:42:23 GMT

In article <darkstar.712281342@milton> darkstar@milton.u.washington.edu (
lden Hackmann) writes:
>drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>
>>garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>
>>] Before I can answer any more questions I need to know whether
>>] or not you accepted the papal nomination.
>
>>such negotiations, were they to exist, would not be open
>>to public discussion given the nature of the proprietary
>>knowledge involved, and so I can neither confirm nor deny the
>>above alledged allegation, as to so do I might imply that
>>there did or did not exist some substance to the alledged allegation.
>
>>ciao
>>drieux
>
>Which is to say:  The College of Cardinals hasn't accepted our bribes ye
,
>and they're holding out for more.  I'm collecting the money, and Susan i

>negotiating with the Swiss Guards by fax.  We'll let you know whether we
>can get you in or not. 

No, no, Alden.  The phrase "alledged allegation" is code for
"they accepted our offer."

He's in.

>Imagine: Pope John Paul Drieux I  !!!
>
I thought that was Pope John Paul George Dreux I.


>Alden 
>

Susan


Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Mary Joe & Saddam (!)
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:57:58 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:

>From article <adams.711749711@spssig>, by adams@spss.com (Steve Adams):
>> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>> 
>>>You see, ck, every child has a purpose in the world, if you care to
>>>look close enough.
>> 
>> Including those who starve to death in Africa???  What purpose could they
>> possibly serve??


>Teaching _you_ a little compassion.

OK, let me get this straight.  The purpose of a child suffering from
starvation is to teach me a lesson?  Explain that one better, please.

 -Steve
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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.birthright,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.flame
From: dgp@atlas.wustl.edu (Don Porter)
Subject: Oh dear, I've pissed off Galen (Re: I'm a bit pissed...)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:54:15 GMT

<1992Jul24.011954.16225@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
> Mr. Porter (Don Porter -- if I say the name enough, will he respond?) 

Actually, if you simply wait long enough I will respond.  You've
been around t.a. as long as I have, Galen.  You know I can sometimes
take weeks to respond.  Especially when someone else has already
posted information separately confirming what I've said.

> Asserting that "abortion stops a beating heart" is rather like saying 
> that "airplane crashes kill people."  Sure, some crashes kill people, 
> others every passenger and the pilot walk away from (they are called 
> landings).

Uhhh, yeah.  You sure do have one humdinger of a dictionary there,
don't you Galen?  I suppose you would see nothing wrong with my
telling you that my parents were in six plane crashes during
their recent vacation.  Should I call up my brothers and tell
them that?  Or do you think they just might misunderstand?

> Mr. Clausen -- Mr. Porter -- have you anything to say?  Or you hoping this 
> subject will go away and die?

And I thought I was just going to scan t.a. and go home...  Looks
like I've got one more followup before I go home.  Stand by.

Oh, and BTW...

> It sure seems to me that the people who would legislate against (in this 
> case) abortion don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Do you have me confused with someone else?  When have I proposed
legislating against abortion?  

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: fusco@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Fusco)
Subject: Re: Governor Casey for '96 President?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:47:01 GMT


>>Could it be that Quayle, as a father, merely said he would never turn
>>his back on his own daughter?   Hmmmm?   Hell, I could say the same thing.

>In other words, you would support your daughter's decision to have an
>abortion, but you would not allow anyone *else's* daughter to have the
>option.

>I find this sadly lacking in moral consistency, not to mention intellectual
>integrity.

After seeing the videotape of the incident in question, it was clear that
Dan Quayle said he would support his daughter, unconditionally. He never
said that he would support her decision to have the abortion. He did say
that he would never stop loving his daughter, no matter what mistakes she
made. I don't approve of the way Quayle handled the whole incident, but he
demonstrated his love for his daughter. 
ACF
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: "Pro-Lifers"  Are Really Pro-Death
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:03:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services

orr@newton.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing}) writes ...
>I just know I believe the fetus should be protected from being aborted.
>To me its an issue of life or death.

The question that comes to mind is:

Whose life?  And whose death?

And to forestall any glib remarks from the peanut gallery, I'll add 
that any short answers are almost sure to be wrong.

-- 
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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: If Men Could Get Pregnant. . .
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:22:46 GMT
Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Jul26.053423.6189@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> 
jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes:
>
> So all you Pro-Choicers out there, vote women into office (Pro-Choice ones)

Is this the same Jonathan Sheir who wrote:

Subject: Abortion is Murder!!!

> I don't understand how you people can even debate such a clear cut issue.
> Abortion is murder and there is no way to deny it.  These supposed 
> "Pro-Choice" people are supporting the killing of little babies.  To me, the
> ironic thing is that many of the Liberal supporters of abortion are the ones
> that oppose the death penalty and believe animal rights are more important 
> than human's.  I just pray to the Lord above that those Liberal tax and 
> spenders Gore and Clinton do not get in the White House. George Bush is 
> this country's last hope before the liberals and the homosexuals take over.
> If this country is not careful, it is going to feel the wrath of God, 
> and it will not be pretty.

I think you should apologize to every pro-lifer for slandering them 
by posting this inflammatory dreck behind the guise of being a pro-lifer.
It's quite obvious that you are actually a pro-choicer. 


Doug Holtsinger
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: THE RAPE/INCEST MYTH.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:16:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services

mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes ...
>, steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> Why would a set of outdated writings, full of mistakes, translated into
>> pablum, written *2000 years* ago, and filled with unlikely fairy tales
>> be given credence by an avowed atheist?  (Or even anyone else?)  The bible
>> contains some nice philosophical points and moral guidelines, but that god
>> depicted in the Old Testament seems like one twisted cookie to me.
>> 
>> I mean, what *else* from 2,000 years ago is given credence by modern man?
>
>Ummmmmm...  how about fossils/geological/paleontological evidence etc?

Fossils make no assertions.

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THE RAPE/INCEST MYTH.
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:41:14 CST
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <lefty-240792160241@lefty.apple.com>, lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.165522.1975@brandonu.ca>, mcbeanb@brandonu.ca wrote:
>> 
>> But all humans are born sinners, dontcha know?
> 
> Really?!  In which sutra did the Buddha say that?

I was referring to the Christian mentality only, sorry my sarcasm didn't
translate to the screen for you.
 
> --
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> C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: dgp@atlas.wustl.edu (Don Porter)
Subject: Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1
Keywords: Chaney does hypocrisy
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:14:25 GMT

<3697@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> (Susan Garvin) writes:
>> I would appreciate it if you could post the article.  

<1992Jul26.221242.2680@wuecl.wustl.edu> (Don Porter) writes:
> From St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Thursday, July 23, 1992, page 4C:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> JUDGE RULES GIRLS' CONSENT NULLIFIES FLORIDA STATUTORY RAPE LAW

Following up my own article to report on some info relayed to
me through email.  Apparently this case was discussed last
Friday on CNN's "Sondra Live" program.  Guests reportedly
included one of the girls involved (now 18), a lawyer 
(possibly with the ACLU) in favor of the ruling, and a 
representative of a pregnancy counseling center against
the ruling.

This may be too late to do any good as far as watching the program, 
but most of these shows offer transcripts if this matter is of 
deep interest.

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.birthright
From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Fetal Heartbeat (Re: Supreme Court)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:09:17 GMT

Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:

>In  <BrwD8t.2vv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>  slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
>>
>> >In  <1992Jul24.034931.8710@wuecl.wustl.edu>  dgp@atlas.wustl.edu (Don Porter) w
>> >> >}<1992Jul21.004136.9063@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
>>
>> >> Obviously, I can not speak for Gregory Clausen, but when I use
>> >> "abortion" here and when I see "abortion" used here, there is
>> >> no doubt in my mind that what is being discussed is induced
>> >> abortion.
>>
>> >I can't speak for Mr. Clausen either (nor would I want to), and
>> >my idea of what "abortion" refers to is what you described, but
>> >*if* Mr. Clausen is also opposed to abortifacients (e.g., the birth
>> >control pill and the I.U.D.), then the above objections do apply.
>> >Something that prevents a fertilized egg from implanting is clearly
>> >not stopping a beating heart (no matter how liberally you wish to
>> >define "heart"), and this would (I would hazard) constitute the
>> >majority of cases.
>>
>> Look, the CDC only counts induced abortion, i.e. an abortion performed at
>> an abortion clinic or a hospital using suction curettage, D & E, etc.
>> It does *NOT* count uses of the "morning-after" pill.  The 1.6 million
>> figure that goes into the census books each year is for SURGICAL abortions.

>OK.

>> EVERY abortion (by the CDC counting definition) stops a beating heart.

>"By the CDC counting definition" implies that they *define* abortion as
>surgical abortion, which is not true.  What they're counting is abortions
>that are performed, as opposed to spontaneous abortions or fertilized
>eggs that failed to implant due to the use of abortifacients.  As I stated
>above, I believe that the number of induced abortions is small in comparison.

>Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)

Get a life, Larry. Induced abortion is the subject of this group, not
spontaneous abortion.  Your playing with words in an attempt to avoid
looking stupid.  It's too late for that, so just give up.

SK
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Ray Fischer does himself again (was Re: The world according to propeller-boy - part 1
Keywords: Ray Fischer does himself, or so I hear.
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:28:38 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <p2hm#g_.ray@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes ...
>>Your intellegence has devolved to the level of a paramecium, not to
>>mention your blatant, in-your-face lies. 
>
>>		  Pro-Choice means pro-adult/child sex! 
>
>Anyone _else_ notice any inconsistencies here?

FACT: The Florida Circuit Court said this, hence I posted it. 

FACT: the only inconsistency here is your intellegence. 

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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: More Interesting methods to gut the bible
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:12:20 GMT

In article <Bs1rox.HsF@acsu.buffalo.edu> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:

[regarding Ex. 21.22]
>	It is not if the woman died, but if the child died, that
>	there was to be payment, `life for life.'
That is at best, unclear. The traditional Jewish[And I note, that taken
by Jerome] interpretation is that this refers to the mother, but not
the child.
-Ekr




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