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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Dave Hayes may be right (was Re: To keep the r.m.s rename...)
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:38:53 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Nov16.041319.16490@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>
>Are you going to blame a 5 year old kid for crossing the street and
>getting hit when the crossing was done on a red light?

No. I'd blame his parents for letting him out on the street unescorted.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in Khafiristan?


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Newsgroups: uk.net,news.groups
From: gm1116@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Call for "Straw" Votes: Rec.games.frp.campaign
Reply-To: gm1116@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:32:02 GMT

Here we have one guy who says "Hey wouldn't this be a great idea?
Why don't we take a vote" and  on the other hand we have a lot of
idiots who jump on him saying "No, its a bad idea.  Lets not vote,
since its such a bad idea and unneccary and no one will vote for it!"

If no one will vote for it, then why are you afraid to have an official
vote????????  Also, the straw poll, as I read it, said if your
interested tell me.  If I get enough people who are interested then
I'll continue, otherwise I'll drop it.  Now, in this scenario, there is
no reason to count "NO" votes because its an informal poll that he wishes
to take for his own knowledge and has no affect on the actual creation
of the .campaign board, it is just to see if there's any signifigant 
interest.  

It seems to me, in my ignorant little mind, that it would be LESS time
consuming to just hold an official vote.  Hold it for one week, and
if at the end of that time it passes create it or if it doesn't than
don't create it.  All this arguing seems to be ridiculous, you've got
something like diehard catholics and diehard moslems trying to convert
each other.  If the other side is sure of themselves, why bother trying
to convert them??  Your just spinning your wheels!

And, for those who think this issue is really important,
I am a newbie!(how dare I open my mouth and speak!  the nerve! ;-) )
I am a WASP
I am MALE
and
I eate quiche
so there!!!

-badger
Xref: sparky news.groups:22164 alt.flame:14845
From: horde@reed.edu (Mr. Heiji Horde)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:56:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov15.185607.1228
Organization: Twisted Genius Rehabilitation Center, a Division of MHE

In article <1992Nov13.191719.20300@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> adc@tardis.msu.edu writes:
>This is a good point. I don't have an all consumming desire to be THE
>moderator. I just want it moderated. If you want to be moderator be my guest.

Alan, part of making a group moderated is finding someone that people can
  agree on as being the moderator. I for one have no desire to see a group
  on netrek programming to be moderated. Well, to tell you the truth, I have
  no desire to see any kind of reorg right now.

>>  * No-one seems to want a split of the newsgroup except Alan and one
>>    overseas player who objected to the intra-USA INL flame wars (for
>>    whom we could all start being nice and using Distribution: lines)

Hey Alan, you didn't make any comments about this one... :-)

	-Heiji

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.fantasy
Keywords: fantasy RFD arts
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:48:44 GMT

In article <Bxty6p.40F@uunet.uu.net> pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden) writes:
Nooooooooooo!!!!!!

The problem with this group is that it is not possible to define fantasy well
enough to separate it from science fiction, in such a way as to do what you
want.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:28:32 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1992Nov15.123659.11746@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
 >jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr) writes:
 >>Dave, why not just stop replying to people's posts?  You're not going to
 >>change their minds, and they're not going to change yours.
 > 
 >Your first civil post! I'm impressed! (I *knew* you could do it...)
 >
 >You know, you're right about that. I don't know why not...maybe because
 >I'm having too much fun. :-)

Gee Dave. Smiley or not this is the kind of remark I'd expect from John
De Armond, not from someone who is trying to do something for the
betterment of the net. 



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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Dave Hayes will not quit
Summary: Try this on for size
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:05:33 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <141191@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, gary_preckshot@lccmail.ocf.llnl.gov (gary preckshot) writes:
> A way to discover whether Mr. Hayes really "speaks for the People" is to redo
> the vote, with attention this time to ensuring that participants in
> rec.music.synth are well and truly notified of all of the issues to be
> decided about the group.  Sophomoric comments like the one above by Mr. Nelson
> don't reflect on anybody but Mr. Nelson.

          A way to discover whether Mr.  Clinton really
          "speaks for the People" is to redo the vote, with
          attention this time to ensuring that participants
          in the United States are well and truly notified
          of all of the issues to be decided about the
          Presidency. 

Yup, sounds ridiculous that way as well. 

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: verity@jack.sns.com (Steve Verity)
Subject: Re: A question, a comment
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:16:02 GMT


In article <BxM0wA.5p9@cdsmn.mn.org>, plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes:
>> As a matter of fact, someone (I can't remember who) DID post a message that
>> said (to paraphrase): `There's a discussion going on in news.groups about
>> changing the name of this group.  Look there if you care.'I saw the message
>> and that's why I went to news.groups and joined the discussion.  Maybe the
>> person who posted that helpful pointer could come forward.

>I think we'd ALL like to see that piece of mail. If it truly exists it
>would deflate Daves last argument. Of course he'll probably argue that
>the subject line of THAT message wasn't clear enough either. 

Yes, I saw this post myself. In fact, I think there were TWO posts like 
this, about a week or two apart.  I also went over to news.groups to monitor
the discussion.

>> Now I feel rather foolish that I've joined this discussion.

>Don't feel foolish. That position os reserved for Dave.

I voted against the name change, but it's over now. Let's get on with
synths and forget the news.weenies


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From: bg@dymaxion.ns.ca
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.lang.basic
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:12:45 GMT
Organization: Dymaxion Research Limited, NS, Canada

In article <1eb88dINNjk3@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua Randall) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.222148.68@dymaxion.ns.ca> bg@dymaxion.ns.ca writes:
> 
> [deletion]
> 
>>[...]  I haven't seen much on "alt.basic" and hope that legitimizing the
>>group by giving it a place in the "comp." hierarchy will encourage its use.
> 
> I hate to tell you this, but there is no evidence to indicate that
> forming a group will cause it to be used.  If there are oodles of
> people discussing BASIC on the "wrong" group, then they (may) warrent
> a new group.  But just starting comp.lang.basic and hoping some people
> show up is a Bad Idea.

Excuse me if I didn't state myself clearly the first time, but I believe the
comp. groups are carried by more sites than alt. groups.  I was assuming that
because the basic group was in the alt. hierarchy that many people didn't know
of its existence.  This assumption may be incorrect, of course, but that was
what I was thinking of, not that the group's very creation would cause traffic.

Ben.
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: rafiq@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (RAFIQ ANWAR)
Subject: Re: DAVID LAWRENCE: Reveil the truth: S.R.I.A (CFV)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:31:06 GMT

alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:

>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:01:53 GMT, rafiq@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (RAFIQ ANWAR) said:

>RA> While the CFV by Mr. Jafry has been cancelled, but still
>RA> he insists on collecting votes. That is also endorsed by
>RA> the S.R.I. moderator Balasat Ali Raja.

>What a shameless charge you're making. Mr. Raja is not endorsing
>anybody. He authorized Mr. Jafri's article after being authorized by
>Mr. Lawrence on news.announce.newgroups and sent to s.r.i. Then he
>posted Mr. Rana's CFV and an article of mine urging people not to send
>votes to Mr. Jafri. He also tried to cancel Mr. Jafri's article but
>couldn't since it seems it can only be canceled by Mr. Jafri. Will you
>please stop throwing neurotic allegations left and right without
>thinknig about what you're saying?

>I have still to hear from Mr. Lawrence about this whole mess caused by
>him officially authorizing Mr. Jafri's CFV on news.announce.newgroups.
>I have not received anything from him nor have I seen an explanation
>or a comment on a possible remedy in public.

>--
>/M. Saggaf
> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu

Mr. Saggaf, this is the endorsment I was refering to:

"
[Note from Balasat Ali Raja: The following CFV was posted
 by David Lawrence and then cancelled by him.  I authorized
 it to appear in soc.religion.islam and also suggested it 
 in s.c.bangladesh and s.c.indian.  I feel that the vote
 should go on and am hence reposting it; it is possible
 that this may only be a straw vote as some people seem to
 feel that it should not appear in this format. It is
 up to everyone to vote as they feel appropriate]
		{..CFV deleted..}

							"

When it was cancelled by Mr. Lawrence, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups, then what authority did Mr. Raja
have to suggest that the voting should go on?? As a 
moderator of Soc.religion.islam, it was a very shameful
act on his behalf, and he clearly wanted to confuse the
situation! I wonder what his intentions were?


Regards;
ANWAR RAFIQ
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: David Hayes ... who else? :-) (mild flame)
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:37:23 GMT

jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>At least I made the Usenet Olympics...
>No, Scott Forbes made the Usenet Olympics.

Get a sense of humor. I "made" them in the sense of being a character in them.
I "made" the team. (Hopefully NOT the "news.groups" team)

> You merely provided him with lots
>and lots and lots and lots and lots and a veritable shitwad of material.

So did you, Mr. Fundamentalist Dogma. :-)
-- 
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dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

   History is not usually what has happened.
            History is what some people have thought to be significant.
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.policy
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Usenet Culture (Was: Re: CFV? What's a CFV??)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:30:04 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen):
>In article <2B091782.8A24@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>> Imminent death of Usenet predicted.
>
>A cute catch-phrase to completely disregard a point.

You got that right.

>The question is: "Will what could likely occur be desirable"?

That's only half the question.  The other half is, "Is the proposed
cure worse than the disease?"
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
Newsgroups: news.groups,talk.philosophy.misc,talk.philosophy.meta,sci.philosophy.tech,alt.individualism,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.marrou
From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
Subject: Re: RF more D: talk.philosophy.objectivism
Keywords: Objectivism moderate
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.094302.8873@wuecl.wustl.edu> amc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Adam Costello) writes:
>I recently propsed the newsgroup
>
>    talk.philosophy.objectivism
>    unmoderated
>    For the discussion of all topics related to Objectivism.
>
I though Stubblefield formed a private mailing list about this stuff when
he was booed and hissed off sci.philosophy.tech a couple years ago. Isn't
it still up and running? It may satisfy your needs more fully.


-- 
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Psychology Department               cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto
Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A1
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It)
Subject: Re: Dave Hayes may be right (was Re: To keep the r.m.s rename...)
Organization: Ignorant Idiots of America
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:14:57 GMT

	Because I feel we are making progress on fixing "the problem",
and that Dave is posting and making us really angry at him for his own
amusement, This will be the last time I followup one of his articles.
However, may I suggest two new groups for Dave? alt.fan.dave-hayes
(Due to his Alok like behavior) and, over to happynet,
megabozo.flame.dave-hayes.

[rec.music.makers.synth taken out of the subject. This is just another
one of Dave's ploys to get his way, alienate everyone. Interesting
ploy, I think it will backfire]

dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
|cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It) writes:
|>	Yes, that is true. However, that would rarely happen. And it
|>did not happen in this case. In this case, the name changed, nothing
|>else.

|But "rarely" is not "never"...and "anytime" is a bad idea. 

	True enough Dave. However, if it does happen, whose to blame?
I would say the people who didn't read the appropriate material which
was given to them.

|>|Pure democracies are dangerous enough.  When the franchise is extended from
|>|citizens to any random passerby...
|>	Everyone is a citizen on Usenet. There are no passerbys.

|Not according to the people who say "IF you are ignorant, you lose out". 
|You are by definition not a citizen for the issue you don't vote upon. 

	Wrong. EVERYONE is a citizen. EVERYONE has voting powers. IF
they refuse to use it (for whatever reason), it does NOT make them any
less of a citizen. You happen to be a non-voter, however.

|>	ANYONE could have voted. ANYONE. 

|But EVERYONE didn't. Just because ANYONE could have doesn't mean ANYONE
|did...especially those in the news group. 

	Never said otherwise Dave. However, the opportunity was there.

|>been different. Since they didn't, their voices were not heard. It was
|>not arbitrary, since everyone had the opportunity to vote.

|How can you say that? Only a certain amount of the population was informed!

	Vwey simply. Anyone who wanted to be informed could have been
by reading the appropriate newsgroup. Whether or not they did does not
matter to me, because they could have been. Simple enough.

 Cousin It                                          cuz@cs.brandeis.edu
"I can't believe I find a way, to make it thru this hell everyday, slip,
   slipping my reality slips away, sleep, sleeping seems the only way"
		       -Mordred  "Falling Away"-
From: rakesh@cs.pitt.edu (Rakesh Kumar Aggarwal)
Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Intereseted in sharing the cost for Trip to Nuwark (New Jersey)
					     ---------------------------
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:29:44 GMT
Distribution: pgh.general
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


Hi:

I am interested in going to Nuwark (New Jersey) during thanksgiving. [Maybe
going from Pittsburgh on 25th and coming back to pittsburgh on 29 th November].

If anybody is interested in sharing the cost of the trip, it would be great.
We can rent a car. (and I do NOT have a licence, so u would have to drive the
car).


If U are interested, send email to rakesh@cs.pitt.edu 
or phone to (412)-624-8446.

thanx,

Rakesh Aggarwal

Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,pgh.general,misc.jobs.misc
From: ear@sei.cmu.edu (Eugene Rindels)
Subject: Career opportunity with 90 yr old company
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:23:02 GMT


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work a few extra hours a week to earn a PERMANENT residual income?  

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If you would like to generate a second income with a TOTAL GROUND FLOOR
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P.S. 

If you are a fund raising organization, fraternity, sorority, or non-profit
organization you will be much more profitable than selling candy, strip
tickets, and coupon books.  Sell products you need and use everyday.
From: ph+@cs.cmu.edu (Paul Heckbert)
Newsgroups: cmu.comp.sys.mac,pgh.general
Subject: anybody got a 3.5" OPTICAL DISK DRIVE?
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:48:38 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I received some 3.5" optical disks whose contents I would like to
transfer onto my SCSI external (magnetic) disk drive for my Macintosh.
Does someone have an optical drive that I could chain my SCSI drive to,
and use for 30 minutes or so?
I understand that such drives are commonplace in Silicon Valley.

Many thanks.

email: ph@cs.cmu.edu
phone: 268-7899
Newsgroups: fl.general
From: lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook)
Subject: Ride needed to Pensacola
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Distribution: fl
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:32:50 GMT

I am still in need of a ride to the Pensacola
area for Thanksgiving....those going to
Pensacola, Mobile AL - please respond.  Will
share gas expenses.

Lenore Cook
Newsgroups: fl.general
From: stp@controls.ccd.harris.com (Stephen T. Pierce)
Subject: HELP: Newspaper articles with subject NUDITY
Originator: stp@rs2
Keywords: Newspaper,request,help
Reply-To: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us
Organization: Space Coast Naturists
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:11:44 GMT


I am looking for recent newspaper articles, editorials, etc. on the subject of
nudity.  Anything related to the subject of nude beaches, anti-nudity 
ordinances, arrests, court cases, etc.

I can't really afford a clipping service, so I am asking those of you around the
state of Florida to help.  If you see relevant articles in your newspapers,
please let me know so I may track down a copy of said paper.  It would be
extremely helpful if you could send me a copy of the article :-).

If others are interested in this, a trading "service" could be arranged. 
Please e-mail to the above address if interested in helping.

Yours naturally,
  Steve Pierce 
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From: rk@bigbroth.UUCP (rohan kelley)
Newsgroups: fl.general
Subject: email connection sought
Keywords: email
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:09:04 GMT
Organization: UNIleX Systems, Inc., Fort Lauderdale, FL

I'm trying to locate an email connection in St. Petersburg for a NeXT
station for a Stetson law student.  Equipped with TB2500.  Mail is current
priority, later may wish to implement news feed if ability exists. Very
low volume.  Want local phone call to St. Pete.

Reply by email to:

novavax!bigbroth!rk
or
rk@estatelaw.com

Thanx
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: test
Newsgroups: fl.test
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:50:15 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.



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From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: test
Newsgroups: fl.test
Date: 22 Nov 92 05:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.



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Newsgroups: fl.jobs