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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:36:22 -0500
From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Deafness CURE!

Rain sounds different--depends on how hard it is raining and where you are.
Rain on pavement sounds different than rain on a lawn or under a tree or
on dry, fallen leaves.  Or if it is being blown against a window.  etc. etc.

And when snow has a crust on it, it does make a sharp crunch.  Depends on
how thick the crust is.  It is silent only when first fallen or falling.
Melting snow may make the sound of running water if it's melting quickly.
Otherwise, I don't think you can hear it.

This thread has really set me off.  I feel so nostalgic for some of these
sounds this morning.  I can hear some of them still if I have hearing aids
on, but they're different through hearing aids.  Of course, I'm living in
the south now (grew up in Chicago [Hi, Lew] and lived in Massachusetts,
Minnesota, and Colorado earlier in my life} so we don't have much snow.

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:57:52 EDT
From:         elaine <EGALE@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hey Egale! What is your point?

Steve-


Seems as if you are shouting. :O   Sorry if I did not make myself clear the
first time around.   Let me try again.

MOB = Mask of benevolence.

When I first got the book and read the jacket cover, I found the phase

"speaks ASL" strange.  Vicki pointed out that it is the same as writing

"Elaine says..."  when I really signed.  You do not really say "Elaine

signed..."   Am I making myself clear to you this time?  Hope so.

I guess I was dissapointed when I met Harlan Lane and saw that his signing

skills could use some improvements, then I see "speaks ASL" and think "gee,

his signing is ok but to speak it ...  HI YI YI"  I think Harlan's books are

wonderful and I really shouldn't criticize his signing skills.  Adam mentioned

that I should give Harlan credit for all the hard work he has put into his

research and I do.  In fact, I admire Harlan for radiating his vibrant energy

towards the Deaf community.

Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused any other Deaf-L readers.


Have a nice Thanksgiving Break,

Elaine


BTY:  How can you copy messages you receive then respond underneth it so
      the readers know what you are referring to?
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:15:52 EST
From:         "Dave Windley, Data Comm Specialist X799" <AADW@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: phone answering machine

> I live in Massachusetts and am aware of the answering service.  However, when
> I asked if they would also answer TDD calls with this service, I got answers
> from "no" to "we will look into it".  There is technology out there to accept
> both TDD and Voice calls on a voice mail system for large companies....Dirad
> for one.
>
> My business needs both voice and TDD calls accepted.  Currently I am using a
> modified GTE answering machine which accepts both kinds of calls...it is sold
> by Heidco.
>
> Brenda


Brenda:

No special machine is needed for that purpose.  In fact, the simplest
machine will work best for you.  TTY tones lie in the middle of the
frequency range of the human voice, therefore there is no problem with
the machine being capable of recording it.

The problem with newer machines arises when they detect the TTY tones
as that produced by Ma Bell and think they are the off hook warning
alarm.  The new machines will not record that annoying noise.  Instead
they will hang up and reset.

Newest digital machines will save digital recording space by suspending
the recording process whenever a pause in speech is detected.  Since
even a modest typist can keep the TTY tones flowing, machines will
usually reach the record limit quickly because there are no pauses.

For about a year I have used an old Radio Shack answering machine for
recording my TTY messages.  It does not have voice sensing or any fancy
features, but records the messages without a hitch.  The machine was a
throwaway from my boss at work.  To record the outgoing greeting or
retrieve messages, I simply place the machine close beside the TTY and
the tones travel through the air from machine to machine just fine.
Of course, the background noise must be minimal to avoid errors, but
that is a very small inconvenience compared to the pricey modified
machines like you speak of.
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   Dave Windley,                       Catonsville Community College
      Data Communications Specialist          800 South Rolling Road
      Sign Interpreter                     CATONSVILLE MD 21228-9987
      ALL Inc Co-Founder                       Voice: (410) 455-4799
      ITR Club Vice President                             AADW@CATCC
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:52:24 EST
From:         "Stephen J. Kotchen" <CASK@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      What is going on here??

   Hey what is going on with DEAF-L/ I have not received any DEAF-L
since November 10th. I don't know if I am only one not received any
DEAF-L.  Would someone pls explain to me.

--Thank you
Stephen Kotchen
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:15:45 -0700
From:         "Bryce Carey, CNS,
              Admin. Sys. Group" <CAREY_B@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Adler..

Laura writes:

>Hi Allison- My account name at Ithaca College is PS308LEC. I am not sure
>what people exactly have to write in order to send me mail but if you just
>type in       reply        at the prompt, it should work. Hope it does!
>-Laura

Try putting .bitnet on the end as in

PS308LEC.BITNET

That works at this site.

-Bryce                 internet:  carey_b@cubldr.colorado.edu
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:38:26 EST
From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: ZYKLON-B Deaf Culture's Holocaust?
              21 Nov 92 06:04:32 -0500. <9211211105.AA08123@Athena.MIT.EDU>

>>    Marvin Miller says:
>>    [The Nazis] made up the majority of the population, and the
>>    leaders decided that the Jewish people didn't fit into their grand
>>    vision of a master race. The medical technology was not as advanced at
>>    that time as it's going to be in near future, so the idea of
>>    "converting" all Jewish people to a nation of blonde, blue eyes,
>>    fair-skinned Ayran race wasn't feasible by any long shot. What was
>>    their next best solution? Exterminate them.


>>Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.


>>The Nazis did not want to exerminate Jewish religion.  They did not
>>want to exterminate Jewish culture.  They did not want to exterminate
>>Jewish facial features.

>>They wanted to exterminate *Jews*.

I even wonder if the Nazi's were a majority. One of Hitler's tactics was to
scare people into following him. I wonder how many people claimed to be
nazis only because they were afraid of incrimination?

Anyway, I believe Seth was right. Nazi's were thinging genocide, not
religicide, culturecide, facialcide...etc..

Adam Skwersky
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:04:32 -0500
From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      ZYKLON-B Deaf Culture's Holocaust?
              19 Nov 1992 13:46:48 EST <9211191901.AA03968@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

I sent excerpts of that article to Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.com>, author
of the legendary "Godwin's Law", which I paraphrase thus:

"As any Usenet debate grows longer, the probability that the Nazis
will be mentioned grows closer to 100%."

    Marvin Miller says:
    [The Nazis] made up the majority of the population, and the
    leaders decided that the Jewish people didn't fit into their grand
    vision of a master race. The medical technology was not as advanced at
    that time as it's going to be in near future, so the idea of
    "converting" all Jewish people to a nation of blonde, blue eyes,
    fair-skinned Ayran race wasn't feasible by any long shot. What was
    their next best solution? Exterminate them.

Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.

The Nazis did not want to exerminate Jewish religion.  They did not
want to exterminate Jewish culture.  They did not want to exterminate
Jewish facial features.

They wanted to exterminate *Jews*.

The Nazis believed that persons of Jewish ancestry were a corrupting
and dangerous force in European society, like an infestation of rats
or lice.  Jews who had assimilated into German society (and many
German Jews of the 1930s *were* well-assimilated) were considered even
more dangerous, because of their alleged contaminating influence.

Observe: Alexander Graham Bell encouraged deaf people to intermarry
with hearing people.  The Nazis forbade Jews from marrying "Aryans",
and made racial difference acceptable grounds for divorce.
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience
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From:         DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 60 Minutes, Angels and Outcasts, etc.

Esther A. Paris <esther@DEMAND.ED.RAY.COM>:
     One should not be 7 years and think of oneself as defective.
     Do you agree?

Esther, as one who has been there I can say that when I was 7
years old I didn't just think of myself as defective, I knew for
a fact that I was. It was extremely obvious that my ears did not
work and that this is a very serious defect indeed.

The last thing I needed, emotionally and otherwise, was for
adults to pretend that I was somehow "normal". I was not normal,
I was deaf, and this presented immense problems which could not
be wished or pretended away. Loving me as I was required my
parents to help me deal with these problems, not pretend that
they didn't exist or that there was some never-never-land where I
would be normal. My feelings of being "loved 100%" were
consequently reinforced, not diminished, by constantly trekking
to the doctors, and the audiologists and the speech pathologists.

I was David and my parents loved me. I was deaf and they were
doing something about it because they loved me.

--David James
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DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:57:06 -0500
From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Cochlear Implant Musings.

If no hearing was the norm and hearing was a defect, I daresay some of the
dominant deaf would recommend 'popping' the cochlears of those poor souls
who could hear.  And maybe the:y'd be right.  Though ear-stoppers of some
kind would probably be very effective and easier/cheaper to use.  (That
sould be 'cochleas' not 'cochlears' above, of course.)

It would still be up to the parents to decide, with information/consultation
with appropriate professionals, what was best for a particular individual.
And, and here is the problem, some mechanism would be needed to deal with
those relatively few parents who where incapable or incompetent or unwilling
to take proper care of their child.  And how do you decide which parents
those are and what the limits should be?  And who decides?  Certainly, I
hope, not some 20 year old far away who has no knowledge of the particular
circumstance of the particular person and no background of general knowledge
about the the problem.  Deciding these issues on what ones own personal
experience has been is not sound.

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:38:35 -0600
From:         /PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM
Subject: Re: phone answering machine

 <"BGJC-5517-1073/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>

About voice/TDD answering machines, Dave Windley has it right and I, too,
once used a Radio Shack answering machine in the same way he described.  The
key is to find a NON-voice-activated answering machine because otherwise it
will shut off before your callers on TDD have left their full message.
Or you'll have to instruct them to make it quick!
Judy Tingley
Teletec International
Milton Keynes, Great Britain
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:15:49 -0600
From:         /PN=MARVIN.MILLER/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM
Subject:      RE: deaf wish

 <"IGJC-5525-5418/36"*/PN=MARVIN.MILLER/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com
 >


I agree that the Deaf community shouldn't try so hard or do anything
to puis  sh those who are actually a part fo  of the Deaf community. I mentioned
this because I read in somewherre... was it Deaf Heritage? that
a deaf club tried to conceal a hearing person of deaf parents' identity
as    by labeling him hard of hearing so he could play for AAAD tournament.

AAAD ended this by demanding him to be tested for his loss, and the club
gently al pologized to the guy... and told him he couldn't play.

Granted this is a reverse pre   discrimination, and it hurts everyone on all
sides but... the Deaf community somehow feels that they has to make
an effort to keep the hearing people (the oppressors) at the bay becuz
they can play in ANY league while the Deaf people are usually limited
to the Deaf leagues due to the communication factor.

I wish something vcan be done about this problem, biu  ut in order to make
an  meaningful process    gress, one has to learn and understand why one's
 a being
oppressed and why on' e's being an oppressor. This can be done thru
Deaf studies in many of s our schools today, but most of them don't even
have anything like this right now.

What i      To be sure, I      what I mean by Deaf Studies is that all Deaf
 students, even
hearing m students at mainstreaming programs, should learn about Deaf history
and heritage, language and all that.

I don't know o if an  my ramblings above has clarified anything up ...

*sigg*  h* Its hard to think when u'  you're o constipated (grin).

MArvin Miller
CIS - 71302,473
TTY - 313-539-0768
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Subject: gallaudet students
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:35:45 GMT
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hi!  I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get email address from gallaudet
students.  I mean if there is anyway that I can contact Gally students through
email. Can someone give me that info? thanks!

Michelle Muth  IN%"Colorado.edu.Muth_m"
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:01:07 EST
From:         askwersk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students
              19 Nov 92 13:55:03 -0400. <9211191858.AA23371@Athena.MIT.EDU>

 I know a user at this location...

        @gallux.gallaudet.edu

Try your 'finger' at that location for gallaudet.

Adam Skwersky
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:44:00 EST
From:         ALOOES1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 60 mins story

Jill,
      I'm not deaf, or hard of hearing, but if I were and I had the chance to
hear anything at all, I think I would jump at the chance. If, like you say, a
person was given the chance to hear I'm sure it wouldn't just filter in
"annoying sounds" I would think all sounds of the appropriate frequency would
be heard, which may or may not include the birds singing or rain falling on a
metal roof, you know, the things we all seem to take for granted.
    But I'm just one person, with one opinion and I do respect yours, just
thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth.

-Andrea
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:11:33 -0500
From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Remarks from the teacher
              7 Nov 1992 14:48:02 EST <9211090629.AA05514@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

    Cat{hy says:
    O{.k{.  I agree, my viewpoints ARE rubbing off{ on these kids.  But,
    even my co{-teacher who voted Clinton said I did an excellent job at
    being unb{iased in my presentation of that unit and lessons{!  {

Is it so bad{ for teachers {to revea{l their political {inclinations?
At least the ki{ds{ know you have a life outside t{he class{room, that
you {don't sit in the school basement like a{ mushroom all night.

{P.S.: Yo{ur po{sting contained what appear to be {spurious characters.
Be carefu{l.  This may be the sign of{ a dan{gerous computer virus.  :-}
--
se{th gordon ... <sethg@sil{ver.lcs.mit{.edu>   ... .sig un{der construction;
mit bs {'91  ... learning ctr 4{ deaf chi{ldren ... pardon the inconv{enience
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From: pepper@shell.portal.com (Angelique N Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re:      Re: My bio...
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:36:28 GMT

In article <01GR97ILRAIG9OD0Y5@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> CXLNVD@RITVAX.BITNET writes:
>Hehehe, Angeli!  I love what you said "what would I do when I become a SEEIE!"
>Is that a term used by the blindies?  Er, is that a politically correct term?
>Just as we call ourselves deafies, and *them* hearies? ;)

Actually, I made up the term "seeie" on the spot because I couldn't think
of any better term. :-) I really don't know what blind people call themselves
since I'm not involved with blind people at all, though.

Speaking of "politically incorrect terms"...if we call ourselves "deafies"
and them "hearies", what do we call interpreters? A friend of mine from
the college days used to refer them as "terpies" (not demeaning to the
interpreters at all -- "terpie" just was much shorter than "sign language
interpreter", though. :-)


--
                    Angeli "Ms. Pepper" Wahlstedt
 
Portal: ms-pepper@shell.portal.com       Compuserve: 70206,321

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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:38:43 EDT
From:         elaine <EGALE@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: gallaudet students
              18 Nov 1992 11:35:45 -0700 from <MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>

Michelle -

Gallaudet's address node is Gallua.gallaudet.edu.

Just send like this  "(person's e-mail name)@gallua.gallaudet.edu."

Note: Gally's system for e-mail names usally begins with 11 for students.

For eample:

11EGALE@GALLUA.GALLAUDET.EDU.

Hope this helps.

Elaine
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:27:49 -0600
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Subject:      RE: this and that from the teacher

 <"GGJC-5524-5026/36"*/PN=BRENDA.L.MONENE/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.c
 om>

Cathy...Did you get my message this week re: NYSD? Please reply.

Thanks..

Brenda
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Subject: Re: tdd to pc comm?
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:35:54 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.1920.928@channel1>, "richard wyble" <richard.wyble@channel1.com> writes:
> Is there an easy way for an 'off-the-shelf' TDD to communicate with a PC
> modem? What software would be required?
> 
> I would appreciate any suggestions, including referrals to more knowledgable
> sources. My motive? Desire to communicate more easily with my non-hearing
> brother who lives in another state. Thank you!
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Richard J. Wyble, Worcester, MA       Internet: richard.wyble@channel1.com
>                       Written Sun, 11-15-92, at 8:43pm
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>  ~ DeLuxe} 1.25 #12515 ~ 
> --
> Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
>
 I don't know much about TDD machines, however, I would think that it would 
 be easier to get your brother some sort of a el-cheapo computer and modem. 
 Then all you need is some sort of bbs software that you can download from 
 the net.  All bbs software that I've seen has been able to chat. In fact, 
 to do this all your brother really needs is a dumb terminal and modem.  He
 can then use the terminal to dial-up your home computer and "talk" to you.

 Used terminals can usually be found for around $20-$30 and 2400 baud modems
 are pretty cheap nowdays.  You might check out the misc.forsale.computers 
 list.

 Just a suggestion.  I really don't know what it's like to be deaf, but if 
 your brother doesn't have any sort of a computer at his house he might enjoy
 being able to dial other bbs' in his area and maybe make some electronic
 friends.

Jill Johnson 
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Subject:      Re: gallaudet students

Elaine-

I tried with the first name with the last name and it didn't work!  I would
really appreciate it if you could look the address up for me. The person's name
that I wanted to contact is Patty Guidera.  I dont know if it helps to say that
she lives in Krug Hall, I hope you can find it for me! Thanks a whole bunch!!

Michelle Muth     IN%"MUTH_M@Cubldr.colorado.edu"
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From: mheney@access.digex.com (Michael K. Heney)
Subject: Bridge, anyone?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:53:59 GMT

My wife and I are always looking for folks to play bridge with.  We'll
be happy to teach if needed - our skill level is moderately low, so
bridge is more of a social event at our place.
 
Anyone in the DC area interested is welcome to contact us, either
by e-mail or by phone at (301) 933-0809.  We're both hearies; my wife
is an interpreter in the area, and I just bang on my computer for a living.
We live in Kensington, MD, off Connecticut Ave just north of the Beltway.







-- 
Mike Heney                |   Senior Systems Analyst and     |  Reach for the
mheney@access.digex.com   |  Space Activist / Entrepreneur   |  Stars, eh?
Kensington, MD (near DC)  |     * Will Work for Money *      |
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:28:33 EST
From:         Marvin Miller <71302.473@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Deaf-L

I'm testing to see if you got my message... If so, please send all Deaf-L
messages to my address at CompuServe...

Use this:

        IN%"71302.473@compuserve.com"

As soon as I get the list, I'll want to stop the list for my DEAF.MICHIGANDER
address at DeafTek.USA.

        Thanks,
        Marvin
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