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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Intel HW
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:51:12 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>
>>Okay.  If you are comparing graphics performance, then you would have to use
>>an Amiga equivalent to the ET4000 SVGA card.  The DMI Resolver should do it.
>>
>
>Hmmm...  How much does the resolver cost?  The ET4000 SVGA is about $100.

We were comparing performance.  Price is another issue.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: 040 and 486_ (bunch O' Kaka anyway)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:11:16 GMT

jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>
>    Other than that, some folks prefer to set things up optimally
>    for themselves. Like removing Windows from a PClone because it slows
>    things down - stuff like that.
>

So you're telling me that the people at UNIX Review took the time to
optimize all the machines tested except the Amiga?  Is this another
conspiracy theory?

>
>*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>
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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Screens vs. Windows, Graphics Modes
Date: 3 Apr 92 06:19:49 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Mar31.152959.21152@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
|> >    Nor would you. VLT can open a custom screen. The "unobscured" thing
|> >    is a red herring. Only takes C=-M to cycle the screens, and I do it
|> >    all the time (VLT, editor, newsreader, music player, etc).

|> How typical, John.  Someone names something the Amiga can't do very well;
|> 5 Amiga buffs come right back with, "Well, who needs that anyway?".
|> 
	Who said the Amiga doesn't do windowing very well? You can have
	multiple windows on multiple screens at multiple resolutions
	under either AmigaDOS or AmigaUNIX. This is a moot issue. Under
	UNIX one task can control/span multiple screens, the mono
	X11R5 server does this for controlling multiple X screens
	running under one X server, of dubious use but what the hell,
	this IS c.s.a.a! I'm sure the same thing could be done under
	AmigaDOS if somebody WANTED to do so.

		-Rob
From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announcements (And PC Clone Users)
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:40:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Mike_Whalen.0bre
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Sat 11 Apr 92 04:28, Costin@cs.mcgill.ca (costin Rizan)
wrote:

 CR> If most MS-DOS users can run their software on mediocre 286 computers
 CR> how
 CR> do you explain the 600+ page Computer Shopper published every month?
 CR> If someone is ready to pay 10,000$+ for a full page add, I would
 CR> think that someone must be buying those 386 & 486 systems advertized.

  $ 10,000 for a full page. Wow! With those kind of prices they could
starting helping to pay off the National Debt. Don't you think that's a
little exaggerated?


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:47:56 GMT

har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--) writes:
>
>Untrue. An '040 is three to five times faster in floating point. The
>25 Mhz 040 is only slightly faster than a 33 Mhz 486 in *integer*.
>

Wrong, Peter.  Read the benchmarks that appeared here a while ago.  The
25MHz 486 is slightly *faster* than the 25MHz 68040 in integer performance,
but significantly slower in FP, although not 3-5 times.  Please look it
up; maybe it'll make you stop posting bullsh*t with such arrogant conviction.

>
>Peter Seebach, using my fiancee's acount. (Please use "SEEBS" in the subject
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: costin@cs.mcgill.ca (Costin RIZAN)
Subject: Re: Jerry "knows" 486's faster than 68040.
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:09:31 GMT

In article <sctconno.702903007@kraken> sctconno@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Dave Connors) writes:
>25@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
>Date: 10 Apr 92 10:50:07 GMT
>Lines: 21
>
>nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>
>>it is interesting how whenver Amiga owners are faced with evidence proving
>>slower performance, they say, well it depends on the OS and the compiler
>>and blah blah blah.
>
>>All this proves is that compilers on Amigas suck, which means their
>>applications will suck. And the OS sucks, so do not say anything more about
>>how great your OS is, because you just claimed that it sucks.
>
>Everything you say wreaks of fallacies. Why is it SO hard to just say
>something productive. I assure you that 99% of the readers in csa.advocacy
>DO NOT find your false conclusions at all entertaining, regardless of how
>interesting you *think* (in your disillusion IBM owner mind - rotted away
>from over exposure to Intel chips) they are.
>

	Gee, I don't agree. In fact, after the mindless 'Pee-Cee' bashing
and insulting you guys put us through in the previous messages (on of those
messages being yours, I believe), I find it refreshing that someone
bashes the Amiga for a change. 

	So I'll just seat here, comfortably, and continue to enjoy this
'exciting' debate over which computer user is the biggest geek, and
other thoughtful information for which this uninformative, but fun,
group is well known.
From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon (wasn't: Amiga Falcon)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:51:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.#dpjqnn
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <ajaffe.21sl@amiganet.chi.il.us> ajaffe@amiganet.chi.il.us (Adi Jaffe) writes:
>In article <KENTD.92Apr1111249@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com>,
>kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>>>>>>> On 27 Mar 92 22:18:23 GMT, jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) said:
>>
>>
>>Gerald> In article <1992Mar27.140353.25236@wam.umd.edu> cmedley@wam.umd.edu (EN
>>iGMA Software) writes:
>>>In article <mykes.1675@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwar
>>tz) writes:
>>>the SNES are superior to a stock A500 hands down, mainly because of the
>>>superior 3D-scaling and rotation capabilities.  On top of that, the 8 bit
>>>video simply beats the 32 or 64 color displays on the A500.
>>>
>>>(not to say the A500 isn't good for games, but just that I think that a
>>>SNES is just a better game machine... now if only it had a keyboard)
>>
>>Gerald> Yeah, if it had a keyboard you might be able to get some good
>>Gerald> laughs out of that, what is it, a 65816?  Whooopeee....Long live
>>Gerald> the 6502.  NOT!
>>
>>Every review I've read of the SNES has panned it for that very reason.
>>They can all be summarized as: "The built in hardware scaling graphics
>>capabilities of the SNES are extremely cool, but in practice, the system
>>is inferior to the Genesis because of the exceedingly lame CPU (which is
>>both weaker than the 68K and running at *half* the speed of Genesis's
>>68K)." 
>>
>
>
>Aaaaah, normally id say you Ft. Collins people are just a bunch of atomic
>clockheads.... But, even I agree.. Nintendo's SNES sucks plainly because its
>processor and resolution.. I read a while back in some greasy gamer mag stat
>comparrisons between the Genesis' 320 X 200 display and the SNES weird
>resolution like 192X200 ... The resolution of a basic NES was like 4 or 5
>pixels lower than an SNES.. I suppose just enough so they could say "The SNES
>has a higher resolution than the old NES" ...heheheh..
>
>Pretty lame..

That can't be right. that sounds like the resolution of a 
gameboy. I'd re-check your specs. By the way, a game boy is 
runned on a Z80 processor (isn't that a XT chip clone??)

I'm not a Nitendo fan but the graphics on their 
new machine are pretty fantastic for a game machine. 
I'm not sure that an Amiga would be capable of some of the 
graphics tricks used in the games. 

>
>
>The 65816? Boy--im erect. Isnt that the same one as in the Apple IIGS? And
>cantcha see how successful THAT platform is for software development!
>
>WOW..

Yes. I looked in an old INFO magazine and found a C64 accelerator 
with the same chip in it. I just about luaghed my head off. 
Look what I would have had the chance to upgrade to if I 
had of stayed with my C64 (that was an actual concern, but 
I can't believe it now). 

I have the chance of either upgrading to a 68040 or getting a 
PC, maybe I should get UNIX running on a nitendo ;-P.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jhawes@everest.srd.bt.co.uk (Jason Hawes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C64 vs IBM486
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:50:55 GMT
Reply-To: jhawes@everest.srd.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

From article  by cs455138@ucs.usl.edu (Seidel Daniel F):
> 
>     64 Good reasons that the Commodore 64 surpasses the IBM 
> (or any clone) 486 machine.

[64 rather pushy but humorous reasons]

> 42.  64C has GUI.

Yes this is 1992

One thing I dont like about MS-DOS machines is that there is
no GUI. Most of what you do with any computer can be done in
much less time using a GUI then in DOS.

This is why I find the other OS's I use regularly {Amiga 
Workbench, Mac Finder, Open Windows} much more productive.

Whenever I sit down at my friends PC to copy ten unrellated
files on to a floppy it takes ages (compared to 10secs with
a GUI), and I find myself saying "Why do I have to do this,
it's 1992 for God's sake !

MS-DOS is an outdated OS, designed in 1970's, with a _very_
short life expectancy. That's why IBM have joined Apple to
make pink right ? An OO OS that can easily be updated.

Can you really imagine people using MS-DOS in the year 2000 ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom"
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:36:04 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>Word is totally inadequate for long technical documents. 

  By itself... Once you add WordRef, it becomes slightly more useable.
The IEEE 1594 standard, for example, is composed in Word and uses
WordRef to handle cross-referencing.  The document was around 500-600
pages last time I looked at it.
  The new version of WordRef (which is integrated into Word 5.0 via
Word 5.0's external hooks feature) should be much nicer to use than the
current version too.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: C= policy (Re: Apple problems "Home computer")
Organization: James Cook University, North Queensland
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 10:33:57 GMT

In article <3416@tronsbox.UUCP> tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:
>In article <30036@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>Of course, on the down side, only the people with no idea
>>what's going on post their predictions of what's going to happen next :-)
>
>	You know, I have been thinking about this a lot lately (what's
>that smoke ?) and have decided that C='s non announce policy is
>hurting more than it is helping.
>

I agree.  Microsoft, IBM and Apple all use vapourware announcements
to great effect.  Windows NT, PowerPC, Taligent, the list goes
on.  The Windows NT vapourware is enough to keep a lot of people
from going to OS/2 2.0.  Maybe some Amiga vapourware would keep
people from moving to clones.  The performance gap seems to keep
getting bigger, especially in the last few weeks here with the
arrival of 50 MHz 486 clones priced about the same as the Amiga 3000.

>|             Ken Jamieson: uunet!tronsbox.xei.com!tron1             |Virus

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From: hauer@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Corey Hauer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: What will C= sell you for $999 in '92?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:43:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I read a few days ago on one of the bundles Apple is planning to release this
summer or fall and I have to say I was quite impressed.  Apple is planning
a Classic II, 4 megs RAM, 7.0 and Claris Works in ROM, bundled with a 
Stylewriter for $999.

I think that this is a hell of a system for under 1k.  Clarisworks is such a
great program that it could sell this bundle by itself.

C= needs a flicker-free, '030 machine bundled with some great productivity 
software, SCSI, and SIMM memory.

There are some _serious_ holes in Commodore's line.  And I don't see any signs
of this changing soon.  Maybe C= should sell the A600 to Nintento or Sega and
be done with it.

While I think the A600 (if it ever hits the US shore) is a great idea, I think
C= needs to have a higher powered machine to hit the $999 price point.

-Corey
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: *** ULTIMATE BASHING for PeeCee Users
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:56:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <1992Apr7.000614.24219@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls) writes:
>A few years ago Apple wanted people to call SCSI "sexy" instead of "scuzzy".
>I have even heard new computer users talk about their S-C-S-I drives.
>
>We should all start talking about rigby, deema, and so on instead of RGB, DMA,
>and other boring names.  :-)
>

Rumor has it that BLAZEMONGER, INC. is working on SLEAZY disk drive technology.
Something to do with square disks in a round disk drive...


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From: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:25:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: orbit.7454
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

costin@cs.mcgill.ca (Costin RIZAN) writes:
>>I did this a few years back, Manx C 3.6 (I think) vs MicroSoft C 5.0.  I ran
>>the Manx on an A2000, MSC on a 386 Zenith.  The A2000 had 2 floppies and
>>3MB RAM, the PC had 80MB HD, 5MB RAM, and was 16 MHZ.  I compiled Tony
>>Richardson's PLPlot library on both.  Guess which one was faster?  The
>>Amiga!!  I think the main reason was on the Amiga, you could make the
>>compiler resident using ARes or some such.  On DOS, I have never seen
>>a mainstream compiler that could be used as a TSR, so you have to 
>>load the compiler for each file you are compiling. 
>
>	Actualy I believe that you could have the compiler reside
>on a ramdisk. Never actualy tried it but I don't see why that
>wouldn't work. 
>
>>What a joke!
>
>	Ha,Ha?!?!?


Actually, that's very wasteful.  What happens is that you have more than one
copy of the compiler in memory then.  The compiler sits in the Ram disk as if
it were on a real disk, then when loaded into memory, it places a copy in
memory to execute.  very wasteful.

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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM is a game machine company
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:12:34 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <46465@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
 >In article <mykes.2549@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
 >>Isn't the A3000T just a repackaged A3000?  What's it got besides more
 >>slots and a bigger power supply and a nicer case?
 >
 >	Actually, it has the same number of slots as the A3000.  

Huh?
A3000 : 4 slots, 2 IBM slots, 1 video slot in row with a Zorro slot
A3000T: 5 slots, 4 IBM slots, 1 video slot 

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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: EISA vs. ZorroIII
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA  90041
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:45:15 GMT


What difference does the mhz of the bus make?

MCA does 28/mbps, EISA 33/mbps and Zorro III potentially 100/mbps...
but in reality none of them reach anything approaching the maximum.

T.
From: pe@cam-orl.co.uk (Philip Elwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Gail-chip and its uses
Keywords: chip, piracy, AFD, Gail
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:23:40 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1203@lysator.liu.se>, grubba@lysator.liu.se (Henrik Grubbstr|m) writes:
|> One use of the Gail-chip I have not heared someone on the net mention yet, is
|> that it incorperates the AFD-technique.
[stuff about wacky copy protection deleted ]
|> Henrik Grubbstrom					grubba@lysator.liu.se
|> Lysator Computer Club,
|> Linkoping University, Sweden

AFD = April Fool's Day?

Phil
From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What will it take to turn CBM around???
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:06:40 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Could I be nieve enough to propose a single drafted letter expressing the
>major concerns of the majority of Amiga users that would be sent by each
>and every Amiga owner/user/enthusiast to DELUGE CBM with our concerns, sort
>of like that "Kid dying of cancer--send a postcard" idea???

The "Don't cancel Star Trek" method?  This works better on Television
Networks than it does computer manufacturers.

Frankly, if C= marketing has any brains at all (not that I'm implying
they do), they won't bother spending too much of their time on us. They
make their money by selling computers. WE ALREADY BOUGHT THEIR COMPUTER.
Therefore, we (the installed user base) do not represent much in the way
of new profits.

Where they need to focus their attention is on new buyers.  That's where
the $$$ are.  (And lets not forget that $$$ for them means R&D for us.)

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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: APPLE SUIT TOSSED OUT BY JUDGE'S DECISION
Keywords: Who's smiling now?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:56:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


     In case you haven't heard the news by now, and I know I'm 
posting this one day late, but the judge threw out Apple's
claims of a "look and feel" copyright infringement on Wednesday
the 15th. It made front page news here in the Valley. In an
oral decision, the judge chucked every aspect of Apple's case 
with one exception. That of Apple's trashcan vs. HP's wastebasket.
A written decision is forthcoming. A spokesman from Apple said
they were trying to remain optimistic in light of the decision.

(HAHA, you have to love it 8^))

A note to Corey Hauer: How much were they going to win?

I now return you to your regularly scheduled flame-fest. BTW, 
most of you need to chill and learn what sarcasm is. Just my
observations, but then again, I can't help but be biased. I 
still would rather use an Amiga over an IBM/Apple product any
day of the week.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: justin@graphlab.cc.uky.edu  (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re:   Mac OS just sucks -- "ease of use" = "lack of freedom" ?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:56:34 GMT
X-Bytes: 

Rick Kelly writes
> Apple literature describes A/UX as being SVR2 in it's literature.  Are you
> saying that they lie about it?.  And posters on comp.unix.aux talk about
> things that are missing that were included in SVR3.  POSIX has been around
> for at least four years.  VMS is very close to being POSIX compliant.

A/UX 3.0 is *SVR4*.
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