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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: NMS Convention
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:11:08 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep14.022629.28746@terminator.cc.umich.edu> jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu (Jason Larke) writes:

>Come on, now. All these references to Lakeside Park, and suggestions
>for spring and summer dates, and not one true fan has suggested the
>24th of May. It seems to be that we really *must* have it close to this
>date.


It was just too easy!


Gregg


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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:14:02 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> 	   But students DO know how to pile into a car and road-trip it!
>    That's perhaps why a central location might be ideal.  Chicago??
> 
> Thomas, your knowledge of geography blows me away. I might get far with
> the ignorance of yours. Could you please give me the shortest car route
> from Helsinki to Chicago? And I don't even have a car...
> 
> 
> --
> Tero Valkonen
> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi

	Sorry about that.  My assumption was that overseas travel was out
of the question (on both sides of the oceans), so that we were only talking 
about U.S./Canada continental travel.  I shouldn't have assumed that such 
travel is not a possibility, though is it not unlikely? I'd like to see AS 
MANY people at a RUSH convention as possible, though!

Thomas Beaudoin
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: non-elevation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:54:51 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:

> >> I don't have to explain why, do I?
> >Ah, so that's it.  I only listened to it once, and I didn't see
> >how escavate actually fit in.
> >
>   For one, escavate is not a word. And if you mean excavate...

That's all right; neither is EVELATE.   ;-)


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From: rob@eebbs.isis.org (Rob Mayer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:59:53 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

> 
> "Because he was human,
> 	Because he had goodness,
> Because he was moral
> 	They called him insane."  --Neil Peart 1977

I hate to dissapoint you but those lyrics were written by
Geddy Lee and not Neil. 

Rob
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson)
Subject: Re: Rush & Terry Brown
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:07:46 GMT

In article <8ky9PB3w165w@eebbs.isis.org> ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin) writes:
>> Oh, please!  They were certainly NOT the greatest.  Good, very innovative, bu
>> mostly behind the times.  I mean, come on, a rap on an album, 10 years AFTER 
>> rap came up from the underground.
>
>
>> Yes, their recent work has been rather lame.  But believe me, their older 
>> works were simply copies of Led Zeppelin.  Rush simply has not been able to 
>> keep up in these recent years with more progressive bands.
  OK, pal. Now let's hear your favorite bands, eh. Some of that good
progressive "music" you like so much (freely substitute music with
noise). No doubt you like Cannibal Corpse and Cadaver. If not, you
are definitely not progressive enough!
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From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:39:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.105107.1@vax1.umkc.edu>  writes:
> 	I agree. Even though i live in the midwest, i am probably 
> willing to trek to Toronto for the sheer "pilgrimage of it all."
> 	Imagine -- hundreds of RUSH fans at our own Harmonic Convergence!!

Toronto is the only city to make sense. International traffic going to  
either LAX or NYC is bullshit. In case no one has noticed, you can get  
from most metropolitan cities in the U.S. nonstop to Europe or Asia.

Cities in the U.S. could make sense geographically, but the whole thought  
of doing a RUSH thing should preclude notions of any city other than  
Toronto. If there is going to be a convention, do it right. Toronto. 
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From: jhughes@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason C. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Neil Peart Tama promo banner/1982
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:28:27 GMT

In case there are ten or so laying around, I'd like to get one too... As do any
avid fans...

The Panther!
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From: burnett@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Andy Burnett)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RUSH CD INTERVIEW?????????
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:34:51 GMT
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers - Construction Eng Research Lab

In article <92254.205119IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>In the rack was a cd that seemed to be an Interview.  It was
>not released by Atlantic records, and stated that it was not
>new music.  Has anyone else seen this disc, has anyone Heard it?
>if so is it worth the 13 bucks or should I ignore it??  Drop me a line
>and let me know if you do..........


  It is called "The Story of Kings."  It has 2 tracks, both being interviews
with the band.  I picked it up at a record show today for $10.  It is on
Tabak records, cat #CBAK 4055.

		&y
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From: pickwick@sw.stratus.com (Michael Pickwick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Great Moments / Emotive Music
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:55:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep2.082916.5471@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead) writes:
> My favorite "emotional" moment in a song:
> 
> On the ASoH video where Geddy's waiting to sing "And the meek shall..." He's
> all ready to spit it out... but wait! Where's Alex?! Geddy goes through a
> whole concert hall-ful of emotions in this short 5 seconds; confusion, fear,
> wonderment, startlation (yeah, I made that one up), elation, and funny-isn't-
> it,-we're-normal-people-too. Oh, and jest. Pretty much in that order.
> A classic, almost improvisational moment.

I love that part, especially how, once Alex does pick up, Geddy sort of motions
towards Alex with his head as if to say 'Not my fault'. Another funny part is when
Neil stops and scratches his head before finishing up the finale in Big Money (?).

As for a non-live moment, how about the big upbeat shift of tempo in Natural 
Science.  I love how they just kick it into overdrive right after Geddy sings
"...swimming in the pools they soon forget about the seas".

mike

ORQ:	"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
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From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Subject: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:02:34 GMT

   I am always seeing Presto near the bottom of these poll results, and that it
   is not as good as Roll The Bones.

   I think Presto is an excellent album with a lot of great songs.  I enjoy it
   more than RTB 'cause it seems to have more energy.  I really enjoy Alex's
   guitar work, especially on Show Don't Tell, Chain Lightning, War Paint, Hand
   Over Fist, and Presto.

   The Pass is one of their best songs (especially in concert).  Hearing that
   song and seeing the light show just blows me away at the concert.  I was
   really disappointed they didn't play it on the third leg of the tour

   The rejuvenation Rush always talks about happening after HYF really shows up
   in Presto.  The music is more high spirited and just more entertaining to 
   listen to than HYF.  Don't get me wrong; I think HYF and RTB are excellent
   albums, but to me doesn't have the energy of Presto.

   Please give some feedback on what you read.  I would like to know what other
   people think.  That's the reason for this post, to get some conversations.



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From: root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 03:54:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Keywords: Presto

I completely agree with Philip Roth's sentiments about Presto...there
are a lot good music and lyrics happening in the songs, but the
production lets it down in my opinion...a bit cold, and sterile perhaps.
RTB rectified this I think, and is a much better album. Perhaps the boyz
are starting to get used to Rupert Hine and vice versa...Personally i
think that he is not quite right for them, but we shall see what the
next album brings (Terry Brown was the best but I understand why they
had to part company)

My fave songs on the album are..Show Don't Tell Presto Superconductor

As for the live versions, I couldn't comment 'cause I have never been to
one of their shows *sigh*

bye for now....

Adam Soudure
University of Western Australia
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: mmarx@csli.stanford.edu (Matthew Marx)
Subject: 2112 -- the wh0000le thang!
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:41:19 GMT

Did anyone else hear 98.5 KOME play the *entire* album cut of "2112"
last Saturday night @9:30 pm? I was impressed. They didn't even
interrupt during the quiet parts of "Discovery". Wow. KOME just became
my fave-o-rite station. 
-- 
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No mail for mmarx (is worse)

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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Neil Peart Tama promo banner/1982
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:49:21 GMT

...and in case someone out there is hording them, I'd like one too. :)

Muff
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: NMS Convention
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:09:26 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <0495qB1w165w@eebbs.isis.org> rob@eebbs.isis.org (Rob Mayer) writes:

>> I think this is likely not a problem except in Que'bec. The best of the
>> proposed alternatives, IMHO...

>May I ask why this would be a problem for our neighbours in Quebec? 
>Bastille Day happened in France. To the best of my knowledge it is
>not declared a provincial holiday and is not greatly celebrated like 
>St. Jean Baptist day or New Years or Christmas.

I should have said, more precisely, `I know that this will not be
a problem, except perhaps in Que'bec.' I thought those with a 
fondness for the old country might have a holiday. 

>My vote is for Toronto, in or around Lakeside Park. Time and date.....
>....unknown. As long as it does not interfere with exams. 

Mon aussi.


Gregg


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From: sihd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Toronto
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:41:35 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I live a couple hours from Toronto. I was wondering if there are some places
of interest for Rush fans that I shouldn't miss the next time I drive out there.
i.e. are there certain music stores and whatnot that I should visit there?
  I also (obviously) agree that the convention should be there. MAil any 
replies directly to me if possible.
Thanks.
  Dan.
From: goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Primus and Rush/NMS Convention
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:16:36 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:

>	While everyone is entitled to their own musical tastes, stupid comments
>like the one above are a total waste of bandwidth. It is people like that who
>give many Rush fans a bad name on the Net. Kent, if you don't like Primus, why
>don't you actually say why - - was it the type of music, the lyrics, the 
>musicianship of one of the members, or what? 

Up yours!  :-)

I was trying to /avoid/ detailing why I don't like them.  I just wanted to
finally express an opinion on the subject, since I had never heard them.
The main point of my message was to suggest a possible activity for the
convention, which makes your response to an off-hand remark in my post the
/real/ "total waste of bandwidth."

But, since you seem to want to hear me put Primus down so badly, I guess I
absolutely MUST list my reasons for disliking them...
	1. I don't like "non-music," which is their "type of music."
	2. I can't comment on the lyrics, because I couldn't understand
	   any of them.  Typical of live shows, though...
	3. None of them showed any talent.  A decent musician could have
	   played any of the parts of their songs with 2 fingers.
	4. Songs were boring and repetitive.
	5. Movement on stage was boring and repetitive.
	6. I was waiting to see U2!

No need to reply, as you obviously don't agree with any of those points...

goo
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: NMS Convention
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 23:13:58 EDT

In article <1992Sep14.022629.28746@terminator.cc.umich.edu>
jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu (Jason Larke) writes:
 
>
>Come on, now. All these references to Lakeside Park, and suggestions
>for spring and summer dates, and not one true fan has suggested the
>24th of May. It seems to be that we really *must* have it close to this
>date.
>
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I don't know about that. A lot of schools are ending around that
time--graduations, etc. Considering the large number of college students who
are involved in this, I think the 24th of May is not as good as something
earlier or something later.
 
Just my 2% of a buck.
 
--Ethan
 
    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: proth@sparc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Philip Roth)
Subject: Re: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Summary: Because it lacks *life*!
Keywords: Presto
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:30:16 GMT


Presto IS a decent album, and is a welcome
departure from the HYF disc.  ( For me, HYF
was rock bottom. )  But there may be
several reasons why it hovers near the bottom
of the polls.

Presto is like a big power transformer: there's
a lot of energy there, humming and buzzing, but
no life.  Lots of steel and cables, but no
organic material; not much to grow attached to.

One of the exceptions, for me, is "Available Light."
Besides having some decent guitar work ( predecessor
to "Ghost of a Chance"? ), it also uses an 
instrument not often prevalent in Rush songs - the
piano.  ( The only other time I remember really
hearing a piano used is at the end of "Spirit of Radio." )
Still, "Available Light" has a cold, sterile quality to
it as well.

Some may argue that "The Pass" has this organic quality,
and that it is a "good" song.  It has a decent message,
well written lyrics, but the lifelessness of the album
takes away the sense of the band members *caring* about
their listeners' thoughts about suicide.  Not to say they
don't - I don't think they would put such a song on this
album if they didn't want to put that message across -
but the song doesn't convey it in terms deeper than the
words.

Now, why is the album lifeless?  Is it the lyrics?  music?
My vote is for production.  Many people mention that the
songs from Presto sound much better live.  Perhaps the
producer ( wasn't it Rupert Hine? ) wasn't able to capture
all the life-energy that Rush exhibits in their shows.

Presto is perhaps technically brilliant, but technique is
only half - it's the emotion, the feeling, the *life* that
is lacking.  To me, its no wonder that Presto ranks among
the last in the polls.

Phil



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From: siona@acca.nmsu.edu (Siona)
Subject: Re: Rush convention... serious plans                                     CC: 
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 09:01:36 GMT

Hi all,

Well, if anybody going to this Rush convention--whenever it may or may not
take place--will be coming through Fargo, ND<don't let the email address
fool you> on their way there, please stop and pick me up.

tnx--

Siona


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From: ddavis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Donald Davis)
Subject: Re: The First Annual RUSH (or NMS?) Convention.
Organization: The YYZ Concern
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:42:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.204153.1@vax1.umkc.edu> tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>> 	   So, alt.music.rush'ers, when is our first Rush Convention
>>    going to be .. and WHERE?  (Toronto?)
>> 
>> Any day will do. In Helsinki. Or anywhere, supposing that someone is
>> willing to pay the flight ticket. Students have no money. 
>> 
>> Tero Valkonen
>> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
>
>	But students DO know how to pile into a car and road-trip it!
>That's perhaps why a central location might be ideal.  Chicago??
>
>	Thomas Beaudoin
>	TBEAUDOIN@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
>
	Chicago?? Excellent idea! You can all stay at my house, and when the
thing is over, I'll drive you home again!!

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From: jholtgra@afit.af.mil (Jeremy C. Holtgrave)
Subject: Re: Why does Presto usually get a bad rap?
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:09:42 GMT

All this talk about "The Pass", "Available Light" , "Superconductor",
etc.  But what about "Red Tide"?  Am I the only fan who thinks it's the
best song in the current Rush "chapter"?  (that is, between
P and RTB).  And I do mean, the best, no exageration.  All IMHO, of
course!

=====================jholtgra@scgraph.afit.af.mil==============================
Jeremy Holtgrave                         "Deadline approaches for the
Air Force Institute of Technology         weary man"  
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio                         - Red Tide, Presto
===============================================================================
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From: md2946@csc.albany.edu (Alex Lifeson)
Subject: Rush Convention..
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:04:05 GMT
X-Posted-From: thor.albany.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

IMOHO the convention should be in either N.Y or toronto.  There is also the 
idea of having regional ones which is also good.   Toronto would be 
awesome, but lets face it for most of you it is very far awaqy....

On another note I was discussing last night the merits of 2112 live with a
fellow rush fan.  I think it is much better live not only because of Alex's
guitar work, but also the passion Geddy conveys...


Opinions?  Comments?
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588 Madison Ave.                          we are merely players, performers 
Albany, N.Y 12208                         and portrayers, each another's 
                                          audience outside the gilded cage.."
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From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Primus and Rush/NMS Convention
Organization: The rational midnight star
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:39:24

In article <goo.716426196@cwis> goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:

   But, since you seem to want to hear me put Primus down so badly, I guess I
   absolutely MUST list my reasons for disliking them...
	   1. I don't like "non-music," which is their "type of music."

Could you please define the term "non-music"? Don't say that it's something
that Primus play, instead, point out the factors that make something "non-
music". 

	   3. None of them showed any talent.  A decent musician could have
	      played any of the parts of their songs with 2 fingers.

I take it that you are absolutely no musician at all. Or, if you are,
you are an extremely dumb person, or perhaps only deaf (which I doubt,
since you attended a concert after all - well, Bono's quite cute, so
that might explain it). This claim is simply ridiculous and it proves
that you just slammed them, and didn't even bother to listen. 

	   4. Songs were boring and repetitive.
	   5. Movement on stage was boring and repetitive.
	   6. I was waiting to see U2!

Your opinions are yours. Btw, do you like NKOTB by any chance? Their
movement on stage is rather nice. And Michael Jackson is a good dancer.


--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Location of convocation
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:30:34 EDT

I think the idea of a Rush convention of sorts is great, and I'd love to meet
the people whom I know over the net. I also see the advantages of holding it
in New York--tons of Rush stuff, easy (relatively) to get to for international
people, Camera Eye reference, etc.
 
But logistically (the part of this whole thing very difficult to address),
where would it be? Sure, there's a great boot shop in the Village, but where
would anyone sleep? The Marriott in Times Square? On the ground at Grant's
Square Park? If it happened in the summer, I suppose it would be possible to
rnet NYU dorms, but it would still be out of the price range of most of us
students.
 
I think Toronto is better. The pilgrimage facto, relative cost and ease of a
place to stay, number of Rush fanatics, etc. But who will organize it?
 
--Ethan
 
  "The sign of Eth is rising in the air."
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