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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Subject: Re: Need Help Installing Powerpoint
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:53:16 GMT

In <1993Jan6.092658.7819@cam-orl.co.uk> thg@cam-orl.co.uk (Tim Glauert) writes:
>I can't seem to install PowerPoint 3.0 on NT because the installation program
>crashes. Since I have an NT-only machine, I can't install it from Windows 3.1.
>Is there is work-around for this? If not, how do I install DOS and Windows on
>a machine that is already configured for NT?

I have just another solution for your problem. Install Powerpoint on another
machine, that runs DOS & Win 3.1, then ZIP the installation on an multivolume
ZIP-Archive with the brandnew PKZIP 2.04c to several diskettes and unZIP
it on your NT machine.

I am using Powerpoint 3.0 from a network drive, that was once installed
under WIN 3.1. I had no problems using it so far. After the first
execution of Powerpoint, it even creates the correct entries in the
registry to use OLE, which other products like Winword don't.

Christoph
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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Subject: Re: ATI VGA Wonder+ Driver for Windows NT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:29:06 GMT

In <1993Jan4.212227.13593@funlwb.enet.dec.com> wales@ringss.enet.dec.com (David Wales) writes:
>
>       Although I have not seen the Ultra I believe that it's port is somewhat
>more Microsoft compatible.  I think you can plug a standard Microsoft PS/2
>style
>mouse into the socket if you want but you can't do that with the VGA Wonder+
>as it uses a slightly different connector.

No, you can't plug in a PS/2 style mouse in an ATI Ultra. The connector is
different. I havn't seen a ATI VGA Wonder+, but I believe it uses the same
connector as the ATI Ultra. Although the ATI Ultra is not plug compatible,
it is port compatible with a Microsoft Inport mouse (newer MS bus mouses).

>Anyway, the simple fact of the
>matter is that even though Windows 3.1 will happily use the VGA Wonder+ port
>as a Microsoft bus mouse Windows NT refuses to do so.

Have you tried IRQ2? At lease this works on my ATI Ultra, whereas IRQ5 did
not work.


Christoph
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From: tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: NDIS 3.0 Spec
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:55:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1j00a6INNt3n
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer.wrq.com

In article <1993Jan12.210605.8400@osf.org> brezak@apollo.com writes:
> Where can one get a copy of the NDIS 3.0 spec ? Ftp'able version is
> prefered. Thanx.

It's on the Windows NT DDK CDROM available from Microsoft's Developer
Services number (800) 227-4679.  CDROM only is $69, with printed docs
$399.

You could also try Microsoft's vendor section on ftp.uu.net ...
~/vendor/Microsoft/i-forget-the-rest.

-- Tad
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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Subject: Re: How to start up TCI/IP at boot time?
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:59:00 GMT

In <1993Jan8.144909.24196@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de> hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter) writes:
>Don't use ControlSet001, but CurrentControlSet. The attribute you need
>to change is the START attribute. Set it to 0x1 to start at boot time.

Sorry for quoting myself, but I made a mistake in my previous post. Tad
Marshall (tad@wrq.com) fortunately found it (Thanks Tad).

Set the start attribute to 0x2, not 0x1. In case of 0x1, NT tries to
start the service, immediately after loading NTOSKRNL.EXE. This will
surely fail.

Christoph
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From: tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: OS2 Sub-system, does it work ?
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:39:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1j02srINN2fd
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer.wrq.com

In article <DiukVB1w165w@gnct.com> garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Has anyone been able to run OS2 1.x text based system under NT ? No matter
>what program I run(OS2 apps. I mean), I get immediatedly back to the prompt
>with no error message and no visible actions.

The OS/2 1.x version of Epsilon works for me under NT.

-- Tad
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jdickins@cs.umr.edu (James Dickinson)
Subject: One Small Problem
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:39:04 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: jdickins@mcs213i.cs.umr.edu

Hello All,

I have installed both NT (Oct.) and OS/2 (2.1 Beta) installed on the same
hard drive ( using the Boot Manager to switch between them ). NT is on the
C: (FAT) and OS/2 is on the D: (HPFS). Both systems run fine when booted (
thanks to the trick of zeroing out the BM id). The problem is that NT, after
booting does not recognize the d:, Disk Manager says unknown file system.
And if I try to go to the d: at a prompt I get a message that d: does not
exist. The funny thing is that while booting, as NT goes through its various
messages looks at the d: and says "File type is HPFS" and "Volume is clean".
Under OS/2 the c: is totally visible.

Is this a problem with my system or is this a side effect of trying to run
NT and OS/2 on the same drive? I would appreciate it if anyone could give me
some insight into this problem.
Thanks,
Jim
From: tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: How to start up TCP/IP at boot time?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:50:11 GMT
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer.wrq.com

In article <KEVIN.93Jan7090506@calamityjane.edscom.demon.co.uk> kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey) writes:
>
>I know this can be done, but I've forgotten the magical incantation...
>
>Using the Registry Editor you can modify an attribute in
>
>    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/ControlSet001/Services/TcpipSvc
>
>that starts up TCPIP at boot time, just as if you'd typed
>
>    net start tcpipsvc
>
>What is the attribute and what is its value?

Start = REG_DWORD 0x2

-- Tad
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.programmer
From: jmbeesle@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES MICHAEL BEESLEY)
Subject: Re:  os/2 2.0 and windows nt on single pc
Originator: jmbeesle@c00360-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmbeesle@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES MICHAEL BEESLEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:47:17 GMT


There is a problem with the NT install when it sees the Boot manager
partition id, to get around this it needs to be changed from 0x0a to 
0x00.  This can be done using something like Norton Disk Edit.
The procedure is (for me), 1) Set up 1 primary and 1 Extended
partition and 1 boot manager partition using OS/2 2.x.  
2) Install OS/2 on the extended partition and DOS on the primary.
3) Run something that lets you look at Sector 0, track 0 and 
   change the 0a (I forget what offset) to 00
   (I think it is offset 0x1c2,0x1d2,0x1e2, or 0x1f2....)
   (could easily be wrong)
4) Install NT.
5) Re-install boot manager using os/2 diskettes since NT has
   now wiped out you boot manager.
6) change the partition id to 0x00 instead of 0x0a again.
and viola! what could be simpler ?
(there might be a way to do it so you don't have to keep
 repeating the steps, but this works...)
                               -Jim.
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 16:14:16 MEZ
From: Thomas Heller <HELLER@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Windows NT October Beta

I'm interrested in testting the windowsNT beta release.

Where can I get it in germany ?

Where can II get the hardware compatibility list? Is it available
on the internet?
(I have to buy a new computer anyway...)

Thomas Heller
University of Muenster, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: gary@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Gary Ritchie)
Subject: Re: NT not multiuser, then Unix is not a competing OS
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:00:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.144135.5176@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de> > 
> NT is a Multi-User OS. Each process has his own security context. The  
only
> restriction is, that after you have logged off, you loose the ownership  
of
> the screen-device. But this is the same on UNIX workstations (e.g.
> SPARCstations), when you log off all windows close.
> 
So, when you walk up to a NT machine, do you log on?  Can you log on from  
remote machines while someone else is logged on to the console?  Does NT  
have a "command line"?  Does the filesystem have user ownership / execute  
/ read / write permissions?  I'm just wondering; I haven't seen NT yet.

Gary Ritchie
From: lmebold@csghsg5a.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Soundblaster-CDROM and WindowsNT?
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:47:53 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

Hi

Once WinNT is installed, can a Soundblaster CD-ROM drive be accessed (running
WindowsNT)? 
If not, I wonder whether/when drivers could be expected.

Thanks

Luke
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jeremy@cheetah.inmos.co.uk (Jeremy Thorp)
Subject: socket support in Win3.1? (was: Re: 16-bit Windows Sockets for Oct '92 Win32 SDK for Windows NT
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:52:06 GMT

What is the position of socket support on 'normal' Windows 3.1? What's available (from
Microsoft or not)? How much does it/they cost?

Thanks, Jeremy

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From: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb)
Subject: Re: Can't share directories/printers in NT
Originator: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:13:35 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Dec24.230709.6881@ttinews.tti.com>, terence@tanru.tti.com ( Terry) writes:
|> I tried setting up two of our NT machines in a little network.
|> I got the TCP/IP stuff to work, I can ping both machines from each other, and
|> the share printer/disk options on the file/spool manager appear to function
|> right but the shared resources don't appear on the other machine.
|>
|> Our setup;
|>   October Beta
|>   EISA 486 66 MHz clone
|>   32 MB RAM
|>   3Com Etherlink II/16
|>
|> Any hints?
|>

If you are using netbuei, the two machines must be on the same network
segment and cannot depend on routers.  With NBT (netbios over tcpip),
they do not need to be but then you need an lmhosts files.

|> On a related note, I'm a little confused as to what networking is actually
|> included with this beta.  Is is just these client things (print/file
|> sharing) or can you really ftp and telnet or otherwise remote login between
|> two NT machines?

NO.  Only the client software is included.  Their is no ftp or telnet
server daemons.  The print/file sharing is seperate from tcpip appls.
Lan Manager can use tcpip as a transport but there are other no tcpip
server utilities.


|>
|>
|> Thanks,
|>
|> Terry (terence@soldev.tti.com)
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From: rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Reading the NT cd-rom on Sun Sparc???
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 00:03:07 GMT
Organization: RJK Enterprises

alistair@microsoft.com writes in article <1993Jan05.101626.24644@microsoft.com>:
> 
> In article <1992Dec30.213315.9783@newsgate.sps.mot.com> jas@wdc.sps.mot.com writes:
> >
> >   Does any one know if it is possible to use the Sun cd-rom players
> >to read the beta NT cd-rom??
> >   Or put another way, is the NT cd-rom format the HSFS or ISO-9660??
> 
> Yes, the win32 sdk cd-roms are iso 9660 format -- Alistair
> 

I've even done it on our Sparcstation at work.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: robertre@microsoft.com (Robert Reichel ms2)
Subject: Re: convert documentation
Date: 04 Jan 93 23:14:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Dec29.084028.1801@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c263-ah@cs.berkeley.edu (Class Account) writes:
>How do I convert a FAT filesystem to an NT filesystem?  I know this thread
>came up before but I seem to have misplaced my saved copy or missed saving it.
>Better yet, is there some place where I can find documentation on the
>convert command?  I ordered the $399 printed doc set, but that didn't include
>the enduser documentation (did anyone get this?) and the files on the
>CDROM in doc/enduser did not give the parameters for convert.

convert d: /fs:ntfs

If it can't lock the drive for exclusive access (like, if you're paging
to it) convert will offer to do its stuff for you on your next boot.

Notes:
1) You have to be logged on as Administrator for this to work.

2) This is a one way trip.  We haven't seen a convert failure in a long
time, but backup everything.

3) The disk has to have at least 20% or so free space.  Convert builds
all the necessary on disk NTFS structures in the free space before
it throws the big switch.

4) Don't convert your boot partition if you are running a Mips system.
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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Oct. beta and DTC3290 SCSI host ?!?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:35:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1993Jan6.013622.22678@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ctne_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Newbold) writes:
>The subject just about says it: Is there any way to run the NT
>beta with a DTC3290 scsi host? From my experience, the board is
>pretty darn near 100% Adaptec 1542 compatible: DOS, OS/2 and Linux all
>recognize it as such and have never complained.
>
>I can boot the NT setup disk, but it hangs while scanning for
>SCSI host adapters.
>
>Has anybody had success? Could any one tell me if there are
>drivers for this beast on Compu$erv or "in the works"?

We've had a similar problem with our DTC 3290.  Occasionally setup
will hang while scanning for the controller, but usually on my system
it does identify the controller as an Adaptec 154x, and the install
continues normally.  The problem is, when the NT kernel tries to boot,
I get a fatal error 0x69.  Several people on the net have informed me
that this error indicates that NT can't communicate with the
controller properly (i.e. it's an incompatible/unsupported
controller).

I've been trying to reach DTC all week to ask about this, but haven't
been able to get through yet.  If anyone has any luck, please let me
know.  The tech support number is (408) 262-7700.

As for compatibility, I've also had problems with 386BSD v0.1, which
is supposed to support the Adaptec 1542, so I wouldn't say it was 100%
compatible.

On the bright side, DTC seems to be pretty much on top of things when
it comes to driver support (they are working on OS/2 2.0 drivers, for
example), so hopefully we will see some drivers soon.  Also, isn't NT
supposed to be designed to make SCSI drivers easier to write?

Paul

-- 
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pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
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From: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Subject: Re: windbg
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:12:20 GMT

In <C0CMuB.L3x@ngc.com> alexism@ngc.com (Alexis Mermet) writes:
>I have a C++ program made of a main .CPP part and a .LIB library.
>The library is built with the lib utility with option -debugtype:both and
>program is compiled with the full debug options -Od -Zi.
>
>When I run this program under WINDBG, I can only see in the Locals window
>the variables whose class is defined/implemented in the main part of the
>program ( the one that got linked as an .OBJ )
>
>Any object defined/implemented in the .LIB cannot be displayed by WINDBG.
>I get the message: Error, invalid type OMF information ... or something
>like that.
>
>Anyone has ever seen this before, Any ideas ?

Seen before? Yes! Any ideas? No! It seems, that the debug
information is imbedded incorrectly in the .EXE file. My only solution
I have so far is not to use libs, but link lots of seperate .OBJ files.
Ok, my .EXEs contain lots of unneeded stuff, but for debugging it's ok
for me. When building NON-Debug verions, I use libs.

Christoph
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Internet: hochstae@allfiwib1.wiwi.uni-marburg.de       | D-W-3550 Marburg
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From: tomwii@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Tomas Wiiand)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Windows NT October Beta
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:28:17 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

dwightm@microsoft.com (Dwight Matheny) writes:

>Upgrades are sent automatically to everyone who has
>bought the SDK. No need to do anything.

>-Dwight (MS)
>Win32 SDK prod mgr

Wow! I'm still waiting for my copy!! MS in Sweden are not TOO interested in the developers. I'v phoned them three times last year, and everytime they just
answered that I would get my October release in 2 weeks! Well, right now I have
been waiting about 10 weeks!

Why dosen't the developers in Sweden get their copy?
From: rommel@jonas.gold.sub.org (Kai Uwe Rommel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Supported tape drives
Keywords: Tape DAT
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:55:08 GMT
Organization: Private

In article <1ikkdeINNt8e@shelley.u.washington.edu> tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall) writes:
>In <1993Jan6.162216.8458@dbased.nuo.dec.com> coffler@dbased.enet.dec.com (Jeff Coffler) writes:
>>I note that the supported hardware list only shows one tape drive (a DAT
>>drive) for SCSI tape backup.
>
>The latest hardware compatibility list (1292hw.txt, 1292hw.doc) lists three:
>  Archive Python DAT (Maynstream 1300DAT)
>  Hewlett-Packard JetStor 2000 (HP 35470A)
>  Hewlett-Packard JetStor 5000 (HP 35480A)

Why does every tape drive need to be supported? Why doesn't the tape
support - for example - work with any SCSI-2 device?

For OS/2 2.0 I have one single SCSI tape base device driver which
works with any kind of SCSI or SCSI-2 tape drive. Then I use GNU tar
to access the SCSI tape drive and can thus even exchange tapes with
Unix workstations. Further more, this driver is independent of the
used SCSI host adapter as it works on top of the controller's base
device driver.

Not being able to access my tape drive (which works not only with OS/2
2.0 but also with any current Unix system) is one of the main reasons
why I don't try working with NT.

Kai Uwe Rommel

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handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams
From: mquinn@auzodt3.mel.cocam.oz.au (Michael Quinn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Installation adveNTures with NT
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:33:19 GMT
Organization: Co-Cam Computer Group, Oz

PLEASEEEE!!!
Are there any BETA drivers for Windows NT for the following:
	HP Ethertwist (16 bit) Network adapters

Many thanks

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From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Windows NT October Beta
Date: 06 Jan 93 06:01:19 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.175601.18444@pony.Ingres.COM> rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy - RADS 1001/2) writes:
>
>Was the Oct. 1992 release *REALLY*  a beta release?

How do you define beta? (No, I don't want your answer!) We had three
major beta pre-releases for Windows 3.1, and we'll clearly have more
than one beta release for Windows NT 3.1 - the first pre-release did
not have even close to complete functionality, the next "beta" release
had near complete functinality, and the next beta should be more
complete, faster, smaller and more compatible - hopefully the retail
release will improve upon the final beta -and subsequent versions
of Windows NT should improve upon the first! (3.1)

-- Alistair
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