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From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Subject: strange beverages
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:37:59 GMT


the following exchange occured in alt.folklore.urban during
a discussion of strange colored beverages.  Could someone
give authoritative information about Midori.  These
folks sound uninformed.
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from: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
>
> |>	That's why I drink Midori!  Midori, for this who don't know is a
> |>very tasty melon liqueur (sp?), in an astounding nuclear bright-GREEN color.
> |>I happen to like the taste of this stuff, but nothing compares to the look
> |>on people's faces when you drink this liquid that looks like antifreeze
> |>(antifreeze is green, right?).  Also good as a "Green Russian" with vodka
>
> Then there's always Blue Curacao, a liqueor that is a color that might
> be described as "Tyd-e Bowl Blue".  Used for drinks with names like
> "smurf juice" and "transmission fluid".

I suppose I will have to run through this one more time...the liqueur
called Midori (which means "violinist" in Japanese) is very similar in
color to the famed Desert Storm Cola, which you can probably find in
old Kyoto in one of those side-street vending machines.

The can is camouflage-colored, the cola is a bright green, and the
fizz....well, it's not exactly napalm, but it's strong.  It wasn't
as bad as some of the "fruit-juice" flavored stuff I had over there.
--
.......................................................................

	OK. Does anybody agree with the above.  It seems a drink
that is green should logically be called "midori", even as a pun.
My friend from Tokyo just looked iver my shoulder and said
"violinist?  All I know is that stuff tastes like S***"
Anyone care to relate some peculiar drinkable liquids.

I'll stay with bad beer from green bottles.
-Jon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: RIKIYA ASANO
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:23:28 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

As quoted from <Af_fwOi00iV184SYBj@andrew.cmu.edu> by ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano):

> Mr. Nishimura writes:
> 
> 
> >	Telling the truth, I sent Mr. Asano an e-mail asking not to use all 
> >	those offensive language a few weeks after he appeared on the net.
> >	He, to your surprise, did respond me by e-mail, saying that he would 
> >	not use them any more.  And here we still have him with his favorite
> >	language...  I just gave up responding him through the net.
> > 
> >	Well, I should not have said this here since it was personal mail
> >	between him and myself...  But I just couldn't stand any more.
> > 
> >	Any way, I believe he is actually capable of using the communication
> >	system on the net.  Why he doesn't use it correctly and properly is 
> >	beyond my thought. 
> 
> 
> You are right! When, I get excited I lose control alittle bit!   Please
> excuse me! Very sorry!

Then go put on a dry pair of panties RiKKKiko-chan....

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Telephones in Japan
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:28:51 GMT

comptec91025@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Ian Hobday) writes:

>Well, since I have received such good answers about the rest of my questions, 
>I figured I would ask another!

>What does it cost to get a phone installed in Japan (Osaka area, in case it 
>matters).  How about monthly charges?  Are all calls by the minute?  Is 
>there a difference between local/long distance?  Do apartments ever come with 
>phones installed (what is the norm?)?

The last time I got a phone it cost me 72,800 yen for the line which
they bring to the outside of the house. To have it connected to the
inside runs about 10,000 yen unless you do it yourself (I do).

Domestic calls via NTT are in units of 10 yen. For local calls you
get 180 secs and it decreases with distance. For example,
Kyoto<->Osaka you only get 21 secs/10 yen; Kyoto<->Tokyo is 4.5
secs/10 yen (days). 

My figures could be a bit out of date as I don't use NTT: I use 0070
and 0088, private companies as they are cheaper once you get hooked
up (2,500 yen). The biggest savings are to adjacent areas so I pay
45 yen/3 minutes Kyoto<->Osaka. Savings on Kyoto<->Tokyo are minimal.

When I moved into my house, there was a phone already installed so I
didn't have to get a handset right away but it was a old-style Black
Beauty which I replaced with later on. Handsets vary between an El
Cheapo from Taiwan for maybe 2-3,000 yen to a cordless for mabye
50,000 yen. 

Hope that helps,

Dave

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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.045427.5078@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>The shops in Japan do not yet have the incredible array of anti-theft
>devices with which American stores are armed.

I hear you can't see even one single pair of shoes in any shoe-shop
in the US, they always show a shoe without the pair. That's because 
if you put a shoe right beside the pair, they are bound to be stolen.
Is this true? I have never seen such a shoe-shop in Japan. And I am
proud of it if this is true.

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:38:45 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>The group would have met just such a fate, had they been Filipinos or
>Blacks.

Unfortunately, they were.  The big irony in the newspaper was that a
high Japanese administrator had just apologized for his racist remarks
against blacks.  A student at the school was upset that the actions of
a few other students were re-enforcing the stereotypes that Japan has
against blacks just as progress was being made.

-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - Luxury!  In MY day, we had to make do with 5 bytes of swap...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: dwwillia@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Williams)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:47:42 GMT

In article <BzD73w.LDu@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>Flame on.
>
>I am made exceedingly angry at the thought that a person could be
>mollified by the fact that it was only a particular race whose
>reputation was damaged by these students.
>
>Flame off.
>
>Charlie R.
>
>-- 
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>*  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
>*  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@koneko.shr.dec.com		    *
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Charles Richmond very kindly pointed out to me that the Japanese condemning
black people for the behavior of these students is racist and that it is wrong
for me to find comfort in the racism of others.  I see my error now.  So,
I am now officially mad as hell again.  Maybe a little wiser about racism too.

My purely emotional reaction to the news changed when I figured out that they
are black students.  In my effort to intelectualize the reason for the change
I decided that it must be because my reputation as a gaijin was not tarnished
to the degree I thought.  Now, I wonder if that was entirely it.  Being
a non-racist requires more than careful thought, it takes self-examination
and occasionally help from others.

However, I am not so politically correct that I can blame their behavior
entirely on the American system.  I believe that people can control
their own lives.  The best thing I learned when I was in Tokyo was what it
is like to be a minority.  For once in my life I held no prerogative.  Granted
this is just an eye opener, and not a lifetime of abuse by a hostile system,
but from it I judge each of them corrupt.  Descent people work for what they
want.  Intelligent people appreciate and respect foreign countries.  How
could 120 people be so ignorant of themselves and the country they were
visiting? 

David Williams                   Jisei to wa               Death poems 
dwwillia@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  sunawachi mayoi           are mere delusion--
death poem by Toko, died 1795    tada shinan.              death is death.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Tit-for-Tat Retaliation
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:46:36 GMT

In article <P4aTVB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:

QUOTE
   Dwight Joe recently wrote that not enough people see Japan for what it is 
   and that tit-for-tat retaliation is the only way to go.

   I'd take a longer term view.  The current trend in international trade is 
   for global regionalization.  Europe has come together under the EC, and 
   the US now seem to be getting their act together with a free trade 
   agreement with Canada, soon to be extended to Mexico with the prospects 
   of the rest of the hemisphere joining in as well.  Where does Japan fit 
   into all this?  I'm sure they'd like to get something going in Asia but I 
   get this funny feeling that their past history will prevent other Asian 
   nations from making this one a reality.  Japan will then find that 
   somehow it is not nearly as important as it used to be.

   The world is a dynamic place.  Changes will eventually put Japan in a 
   tough position as well.
END QUOTE

I read an amusing suggestion (probably tongue in cheek, but you never
know) which suggested that instead of trade retaliation with Japan,
America's State Department should just go into Tokyo with green cards
for every young single woman they see. The hypothesis was that many
women would rather escape the drudgery of their pre-ordained roles and
come to the ol' Land of Opportunity, where they would be welcomed, one
supposes, with open arms. An interesting proposition.

BTW, when you're talking about the next economic superpower, *watch
out for the PRC* if they ever get their shit together. Imagine a Hong
Kong engine with a *billion* people powering it up!

RB


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From: kerkoveericj@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Chotto!!!Sexuality?
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:19:07 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA




	When are we actualy going to get back to the subject of sexuality
among Japanese girls/women?  So far, I've read only one interesting 
message on the net, and got a fairly informative message by Email.  It
seems like no matter what the topic, it gets warped into something
completely different.  Perhaps there is some hummor in the idea of a
Japanese man being confused about the "sex" blank on a form, however,
most of us native English speakers snickered as children about the same
dang thing when the class clown said what he put in that blank!

	You guys make me feel like some perverted sex fiend for having
to keep asking you to get back to the subject at hand.  So far, I have
picked up the knowledge that Japanese women don't hold their virginity
with as much reverance as I thought, but no one seems willing to expand 
on that, (with the exception of those astounding numbers).  I would be
interested in knowing different signs of affection (Ex.  sitting close
and eating off of the koibito's plate) that was a good one, or about
how long it usualy takes for a relationship to take off.  

	Of course I realize, as I have mentioned before, each case is
different, but their must be some norm to go by, even in America some
behavior is considered "slutty" while others are "Nun-like".  Everyone
has their own oppinion, and I'd like to here them.  Anyone willing to 
bite?
	Also, to anyone who reads this, and is still learning English,
about every other word is spelled wrong, and for that "Sumi masen."
I hope I spelled that right.

					thanks a great deal,

					Eric Kerkove -fin-

Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:12382 alt.sex:39632 soc.culture.usa:9216
From: baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Baden de Bari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.
Subject: Re: D O E S   A M E R I C A   S A Y   Y E S   T O   J A P A N ?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:37:19 CST
Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS  1 204 488-1607

cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:

> harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
> > =} In this era, a well educated country may be more
> > =} powerful than a well armed world.
> >
> >   I totally agree.
> 
> We constantly hear that the "japenese" are smarter than Americans based on th
> 

 
        I know that at the high-school level, that Japanese are about one 
year ahead in their education... that is not to say that they are anymore 
intelligent than Canadians or Americans.  Another LARGE factor is the 
social structure in North America.  If you look at the way the average 
person is brought up here compared to in Japan, you will see that our 
discipline basically BITES.  They are 'programmed' to act and behave in a 
certain manner the rest of their lives, which is how it's been done for 
centuries... (ug)  But it really has to do with study time.  Most people 
in North America seem to think that they can just get by with 'ample' 
studying time, etc.  This ample time does not exist for the Japanese, so 
on, so forth...  North American's test scores can be just as high if not 
higher with the proper study habbits/time.
 
                
        >>Baden<<


baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiroki@limerick.cbs.umn.edu (Hiroki Morizono)
Subject: Re: Cheju Island!
Reply-To: hiroki@limerick.cbs.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:45:57 GMT

Michiaki Masuda (masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov) wrote:
: In article <sf=5mG600iUyI0eJhf@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
: >Friends,
: >
: >         While completing the above research, I came across some
: >discriptions and pictures of Cheju Island and the people there.
: .....
: 
:   Sounds like a nice place to visit. Would you be kind enough to tell me
: how to get there? What is "Cheju" in Kanji?
: 
:   Thanks.
: 
: --Michiaki

Michi-dude,
check who the original poster was.
"Cheju" is just wot came out when Rikki tried to spell "Treasure" :-)

Try looking somewhere around South Korea--the Hangul postings before
should have tipped you off too.  It's in the North east China sea area 
according to websters. 
Boat or plane, and a lot of pieces of eight.

Hiroki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Twilight Zone
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:35:32 GMT

In article <BzDqE6.3nB@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>
>I believe that a part of the responsibility to educate him belonged to the
>side who accepted him. 

	I had not given this much thought till now, but I must agree
	strongly here.  He was not a tourist coming for a week.  He was
	a student to reside for (I'll assume) years.  Those that sponsored
	him should have provided him with this basic knowledge.  The 
	responsibility goes both ways.

>  I'm not blaming the lack of efforts on the US side to educate him, but
>I cannot agree to the argument that Japanese should not come to the US
>unless they are "Americanized" Japanese. As I mentioned at the beginning,
>a cross-cultural interaction is often more meaningful when we are exposed to
>something more foreign. 

	Agreed, but the traveler in a foreign land should be aware of the
	most significant dangers of life in that land if they are to be
	minimally assured of a safe and healthy stay.  Regardless of what
	should or should not be, one NEEDS to be as aware and mindful as 
	possible.
>
>   Here's the worst case scenario:
>
	[snip]
>
> The cop pulls the trigger thinking that the Japanese is going to shoot him.
>
> The Japanese falls down with a wallet in his right hand...
>
> The undercover cop approaches to the body of the Japanese.
>
> Another cop in the uniform comes and finds a "criminal" with a gun approaching
>to a body. Then, .....
>
>   [FIN]
>
>  Sorry for too much imagination...
>
>--Michiaki

	Tee hee... Here you have actually hit upon a big problem in the USA.
	Cops are often SO paranoid that they shoot at the slightest hint of
	cute behavior.  This is IMNSHO almost always uncalled for and indeed
	constitutes criminal behavior of the gravest sort since the force is
	used under color of law.  The media and our judicial system have
	served only to make things much worse by their rotten portrayals of
	crime and violence, and the failure to properly deal with the violent
	crimianls that ARE out there.  America is not nearly as violent as
	the media make it out to be, but their criminally irrepsonsible
	accounts of the levels of violence in this country has misled many
	to the point that they have become gripped by paranoia.  That is
	part of the reason why some folks are quick to pull the trigger.
	This is sad.

	-Andy V.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: pankow@yoda.fsl.noaa.gov (glen pankow)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA, Boulder CO, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:56:04 GMT

In article <1gnrgqINNqr4@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.045427.5078@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.
>Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>>The reason that we in the USA are in such a state is because we have
>>so many bozos like those TSU students who are willing to steal.  I'm not
>
>The lawyers are the main problem.  Common criminals share basic animal
>fear of punishment.  Lawyers mitigate that punishment.  Or at least they
>delay, increase friction, increase costs of prosecuting someone.  On a
>lighter note, we have around 350 or 400 inmates in CA on death row; 2
>per day is all I ask! :-O
>
>>Every single damn one of those *ssh*l*s should have been locked up and
>>put on trial in a Japanese court.  Since none of them are diplomats,
>
>They each should have had their little pinky fingers amputated (without
>anaesthetic! 8-).
>
>>I want those *ssh*l*s to know that, in some parts of the world, you can't
>>sucker people as badly as you can sucker people in America.  When you 
>
>Yooo, Dwight-san, we can always sic Rikiya-san on these guys once they
>get back.  Then subject them to my caustic rendition of "SAY YES" 100
>times over! :-)
>
>Jaa, James
>=======================================================================
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Excuses by the TSU band for Shoplifting in Akihabara.
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 02:25:06 GMT

In article <hit.724465319@sol> hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:
>How can they think of more than two or three excuses?
>You know, Texas is ranked "47th" in 50 states for the educational 
>standard(seriously), and TSU is....., well, where in the hell is TSU?

TSU is "Texas Southern University".  It's student population is
predominantly African-American--close to 100%.

Among educational institutions, it is ranked close to last in academics.
On the other hand, it is also one of the poorest universities in the USA.

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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.200807.17875@pegasus.com> tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) writes:
>irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>
>>You forget also, that much of that pricing is mercantilist - so low that
>>their margins are mere slivers [though behind trade barriers in Japan,
>>they charge a WHOLE LOT MORE, getting HUGE margins to make up for the losses
>>in the US], and thereby drive all competitors out of buisiness.  When this
>>happens, they then can raise prices [no domestic competition, see?] and
>>then seek further markets to plunder.  SO goes the theory.
>
>What next stories about "Godzilla" ?  You appear to be reading some
>propaganda from Lee Iacocca and then tripling the numbers and exaggerated
>claims.

No numbers, I just observed the price differential between what goods
cost in Japan and the exact same ones in the US.  No propoganda here,
And Hypothetically, once you drive your competitors out of the market,
you raise prices, sit back and watch the profits roll in.

>
>Here's something you seem to ignore.  The world is not made up of just
>the U.S. and Japan... take a geography course since economics isn't
>sinking in.

What?  How a monopoly works?  Tom, I think its *you* that doesn't understand
basic market theory.  

At the risk of sounding NON TOPICAL, the discussion was about Japan, which
is one of the few nations whose deficit with the US is rather static, and
is the only major foreign presence in the market whose firms have been 
known to use illicit and illegal tactics to drive US and non-Jaoanese
companies out of buisiness. 

If you want a more broadbased discussion, then start another thread.

>>
>>What tax braket are *you* in?  I end up paying 30%[federal] + 7% [fica] +
>>3% [state] = 40% in taxes.
>
>Again failure to think has its inevitable affect.  You also pay for every
>corporate tax on goods and services (you do realize the price reflects
>all their expenses right ?) and you pay sales tax on the goods you buy.

So then, after adding in the sales tax and corporate tax, it is 60% like the
originator claimed?  Please, I don't believe it.  Please post numbers to
show me wrong.


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