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From: gary@igor.tamri.com (Gary Schwartz)
Subject: Restaurants in Berlin
Summary: Summary of responses, thanks!!
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:20:53 GMT

A few weeks ago I posted a request for restaurants in Berlin.  Thanks
to those who replied!  A summary of the replies is provided below.  If
your favorite Berlin restaurant isn't shown below, please let me
know!!! I don't leave for another week, so there's still time to make
the list.

gary

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From: Wayne Citrin <citrin@soglio.Colorado.EDU>

There's a good Indian restaurant near the Ku-Damm called Golden
Temple.  The Cafe Bleibtreu on Bleibtreustr. (near the Savignyplatz
S-Bahn station) is a good place to hang out and have a coffee or a
beer.

Wayne
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From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)

Top recommendation: Restaurant Dubrovnic (Jugoslavian/Croatian food)
near the Europa Center (short walk from Gedankniskirche). There is
also a chinese joint near there (forget the name) that was pretty
good. Be sure to go by the Museum am Checkpoint Charlie. If you can
catch a performance of the Berlin Philharmonic or various other groups
(e.g. Berlin Bach Orch.), do so. They are incredible.  If you stay on
the Ku'damm, try to ignore the plentiful ladies-of-the-evening along
there, although they don't charge for (brief) conversation... :-)

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From jp@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu  Tue Jul 14 13:41:59 1992

 BERLIN


SAMOVAR Luisenplatz 3 1000 Berlin 10 (an der Schlossbrucke) opposite
the Charlottenberg home. Great mushroom soup and all sorts of Russian
food.  Best place we ate at in Berlin Tel 341 41 54 
----

From regli@cs.UMD.EDU  Wed Jul 15 06:57:49 1992

Hi Gary,

I was in Berlin briefly about one year ago. My suggestion, for variety
and <$$, is check out the food court (food floor more like it) in the
largest Berlin dept. store.  Unfortunately I don't recall the name of
the store---but I can tell you that it's on the big main steet that
cuts through the center of West Berlin about 1/2-1 mile from the Zoo
Station.  Its actually really easy to find, sort of the Berlin
equivalent of Harrod's in London.

Sorry I don't have an exact address but it is definitly worth finding
for lunch or an early dinner.  They had food from everywhere, and an
amazing candy/sweets selection.

William C. Regli                          

-- 
--
Gary Schwartz					gary@igor.tamri.com
Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		
280 Utah Ave					phone:	(415) 875-3483
From: DEANRE@bscf.uga.edu (ROBIN DEAN)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: deep sea fishing in Miami
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:12:30 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, USA
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


     I am going to be vacationing in Miami beach over Christmas and
wanted to go out on a deep sea fishing trip.  Any information from
people that have been on one and/or that live in the Miami area
would be very much appreciated.

                          Thanks,
                          Rob
From: ohl@dk-vs.UUCP (Ralf Ohlhausen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Playing Golf in Austria
Keywords: austria,golf
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:38:03 GMT
Organization: Digital-Kienzle Computersyst.  7730 Villingen/Germany

Some golfers in Austria listening?

I'll go to Austria next week and like to know what is needed to play
golf there.
- Membership in an Austrian golf club?
- Membership in a golf club somewhere around the world?
- Handicap < 36?
- "Platzreife"?
- Lots of money for the green fee?

Even though I have no certificates for anything of the above :-(
at least I know how to play :-)
So, where are the courses where they don't bother about?

Thankful to any response

Ralf
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Collecting Visa stamps (was: Passport needed for visa?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:10:26 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <6840@charon.cwi.nl>, dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:

|> Upto a point.  It is part of the Schenken agreement.  Not all EEC members
|> were present, but it applies to at least the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg,
|> Germany and France.  On the other hand, passport checks between Belgium and
|> Luxemburg?  They have been abandoned at least 30 years ago.  Also between
|> Belgium and the Netherlands passport checks have been abandoned long ago.

When I rode a bicycle from Belgium to the Netherlands eight years ago,
I did not even realize I had crossed the border until I stopped at
a cafe and was told that they could not accept my Belgian francs...

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
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From: praim@connext.ucs.sfu.ca 
Subject: Re: Young homeless in Canada?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:58:05 GMT


> I'm sure you would find the same thing in big cities in the U.S. as well.
          
What?!?   No! It can't be. Not  according to George Bush. 
 
Organization: Sophomore, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:00:16 -0400 
From: "Alexander L. Hawkinson" <ah2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: The road trip

Hi!

My girlfriend and I will be road-tripping from Las Vegas back to
Minneapolis in a few weeks.  We are looking for all suggestions, from
routes to must-sees to hotels and places to eat along the way.  It would
be nice to do it cheaply, but if it is a must-do, then it is a must-do. 
We wont be in any hurry, and were thinking of swooping northward quite a
bit.  Is it worth seeing the south-west portion of Montana, or should we
head through Colorado?  Should we definetly go to YellowStone?  What
about the Black Hills in South Dakota?  Any help from you people out
there who have seen some of these places would be very appreciated. 
Thanks in advance!

    -Alexander -
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From: kells@iis.ethz.ch (Kevin Kells)
Subject: Travelling flexibly (was: Avis Europe Experience)
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:16:15 GMT

cbraun@Control.COM (Corinne Braun) writes:

>understand in advance that the attitude there is not "The
>customer is always right."  No big emphasis on customer service!

I would dare to generalize based on my own travels that the entire
world has no big emphasis on customer service.  In my experience,
consumers in the USA are really the exception in their enjoyment of the
"the customer is always right" attitude of their product-makers and
service-givers although (not a flame) they are not always aware of this.

The lesson that I would draw would be that one should not be
disappointed nor angry if the goods or services in one's travels do not
meet one's standards, even if "it isn't fair" (because sometimes it
isn't just unexpectedly low quality, it's even unjust). Sure, one can
go the usual channels for reimbursement if they offer one thing and
charge something else, but I like to put a price on the frustration and
extra work this causes and include that in my decision to follow up or not.

I guess I would summarize: travel in other countries may be much more
painful and inconvenient than what you would expect in your own
country, so don't let that get you down.  Especially if you are used to
a high level of importance as a "customer," travelling may well turn
out to be a reminder that "life isn't fair."

ObTravelExperience:
I once went through a Swiss travel agent to rent an Alamo car at
Kennedy airport in New York for a trip to Boston. The plan was to fly
to Kennedy and drive to Boston, while visiting relatives along the way
in Connecticut. When I arrived in New York (on an Air-Hitch flight, no
less) with the already-paid-for Alamo@Kennedy coupon in hand, I found
out that not only was there _no_ Alamo desk at Kennedy, but that the
nearest Alamo rental place was in New Jersey! The other rental places
had no cars available (it was a holiday in May). Even the Alamo place
in New Jersey had none. So I took a flight to Boston and rented a car
there. Upon returning, I sent a letter to the travel agent with copies
of the JFK-Boston ticket and Alamo coupon and received a prompt refund
for both. (happy ending)

Kevin

--
Kevin Kells <kells@iis.ethz.ch>         telephone: +41-1-256-5746
Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH-Zentrum, CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland
From: tls1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TRAVER L. SCHADLER)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Bermuda Time Share wanted
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:50:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

BERMUDA TIME SHARE WANTED

       Anyone have a timeshare they can't use in Bermuda? Will consider
       any month but rather like late March.


       Shad

       
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Question on Yosemite National Park...
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:16:14 GMT

|> 	Is it possible that we camp outside the Yosemite Park area at 
|> night?  (pick anywhere we want?!)  I know supposedly they don't let 
|> people set up any tents inside the National Park, except in those assigned
|> campgrounds they have.

There are some USFS campgrounds outside Yosemite Park.  These are usually
just as crowded as those in the park.  Camping within the park and outside
official campgrounds is prohibited within 4 miles of the road and this is
strictly enforced.  This includes sleeping in your vehicle.  Camping outside
the 4 mile limit requires a wilderness permit, but these are free and easy to
get at park ranger stations.  The USFS may be less strict about camping near
roads, but you'll still need the permit - check at a ranger station.

If you don't want to walk the 4 miles, there are some non-reserved,
first-come, first-serve camp sites in Yosemite.  You could try for one of
those.  Make sure you arrive very early.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randy M. Rohrer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Gettysburg, PA
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:17:59 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond


	Gettysburg is very pleasent 1.5 - 2 hour drive from
DC. (That is, pleasent once you get out of the DC area.)
From the DC beltway (495), take I270 west towards Frederick, MD.
At Frederick, take US 15 north into PA. (This is a nice drive
near the Catoctin Mtns, home of Camp David and a very nice
state and federal park for hiking, camping.) Route 15 
bypasses Gettysburg but there are numerous exits that will
get you into this little town. Business 15 goes directly 
into town through parts of the Military Park.

Gettysburg always seems to be refered to as "a sleepy little
town". It IS very pleasent. However, during the summer
expect it to be very crowded with tourists. Fall is
an excellent time to visit as the leaves turn, it is cooler,
and less crowded; early spring is also nice. There is quite a bit
of comercialization of the "civil war stuff" (i.e. wax museum,
souviner stores ). However, the military park itself is quite nice
and scenic. The park actually surrounds the entire town.
I would suggest going to the modern observation tower where
one can get a good view of the whole area. (I am not sure
of the official name but you can't miss it. It is run by the 
park service.) There are bus tours of the battlefield, 
helicopter tours, and self-guided tours that you can cruise around
the various spots in your car. I'm sure the park service prob.
has free guidebooks and handouts. I suggest you go to the tower
and then a self-guided tour although some might like the bus.

	There are lots of restarants and a number of hotels.
I would suspect the hotels might be pretty crowded (there is not a lot) .
Gettysburg would be a good day trip from DC. Civil War and history
buffs would prob. enjoy it more than others. The park is nice place
for bike-riding in the "off season" (when the tourists are gone).

	I have been there many times. I used to visit there every summer
when I was growing up in PA.

Enjoy and let us know your impressions if you go.

- Randy

-- 
Randy Rohrer		   	&&   The George Washington University
			    	     Department of EE&CS
rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil	     rohrer@seas.gwu.edu
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From: hausman@caffeine.cen.uiuc.edu (Kevin Hausman)
Subject: Young homeless in Canada?
Organization: CCSO College of Engineering Workstations
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:32:41 GMT
Keywords: Canada Toronto Montreal homeless

My girlfriend and I took a trip last week to several cities in eastern
Canada, namely, Toronto, Montreal, and Quebec City.  All in all, we had
a really good time, but there was one thing that we saw that we were
really curious about.

In both Toronto and Montreal, we were accosted by lots of young 'homeless'
people on the street asking for money.  These people, both men and women
(or should I say, boys and girls...) seemed to be about 18-21 years old.
The particular streets were Yonge (in Toronto) and St. Catherine (Montreal).

Are these people really 'homeless', or are they just kids hanging out trying
to pick up a little money from passers-by?  I don't come from a large city,
but the homeless in this town (Champaign-Urbana) tend to be quite a bit older.
My girlfriend, who comes from the Chicago area, also thought it a bit strange.

Anybody know anything about this?

Kevin

-----
Kevin Hausman
CCSO Workstation Support
hausman@caffeine.cen.uiuc.edu



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From: Zheng Zhu <zhu@blacktip.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: bringing a car to Canada for a year
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:05:16 -0500

what is Canadian's rule regarding a foreigner bringing a
car to Canada for a year. I am going to visit Vancouver B.C.
from Sept and shall be there for a year. I plan to bring
my car there but don't want to be either turned away at
the border, or charged a heavy custom duty there.

thanks for information

Zheng Zhu                                 Design Methods Group
Dept of Computer Science                  Lindley Hall 316
Indiana University                        (812)-855-9109
Bloomington IN 47405                      zhu@cs.indiana.edu
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Collecting Visa stamps (was: Passport needed for visa?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:36:10 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Jul29.195256.20184@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wb@rigel.UUCP (Bill Beblo) writes:
 > What about the EEC situation.  I am under the impression that starting this
 > year you would need to have your passport stamped by the EEC country
 > which you first enter.  Travel between EEC countries would not require
 > passport stamps, or even passport checks.  Is this true?
 > 
Upto a point.  It is part of the Schenken agreement.  Not all EEC members
were present, but it applies to at least the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg,
Germany and France.  On the other hand, passport checks between Belgium and
Luxemburg?  They have been abandoned at least 30 years ago.  Also between
Belgium and the Netherlands passport checks have been abandoned long ago.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1992 21:40:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Good restaurant/B&B in Denver, Estes Park and Boulder?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.travel

You may be looking for The Fort (19192 Highway 8, Morrison 303-697-4771)
If you are looking for exotic dishes- alligator, rattlesnake, elk, etc- and
don't mind a high price (~$50 per person) try the Flagstaff House which is
in the Foothills west of Boulder.  I have eaten there twice and enjoyed it 
very much (The Flagstaff House - Flagstaff Road, Boulder  303-442-4640)

As for B+Bs in Estes Park, call information for area code 303 and ask for
the Estes Park Chamber of Commerce, then call the CC and ask them to send 
you information.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: info wanted for whale watching in Boston area
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:12:31 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <1992Jul30.154603.20635@athena.cs.uga.edu>, DEANRE@bscf.uga.edu (ROBIN DEAN) writes:
|> I am going to be in Boston this next week and wanted to try and
|> go on a whale watching trip.  Does anyone know of any in the Boston
|> area?  Is this a good time to go?  Any information would be appreciated.

A number of organizations do whale-watching trips.  I'd give the
New England Aquarium a call--I went on their trip two years ago
and was quite satisfied.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cititravel / Travel America in Half Price
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:59:39 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <5402@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> From: meir@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Yigal Meir)

From my experience Cititraveller is not worth while unless:
    a. you are a business traveler who makes a lot of short notice trips
and b. you are very meticulious regarding receipts; Cititraveler
      always said I needed more information after the fact.

-- 
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12307 Tigers Eye Ct |
Reston, VA 22091    |
(703) 620-1141      | I will public post abusive email! Be warned!
From: yvesv@wsooti09.info.win.tue.nl (Yves v.d. Vijver)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cheap hotels in Sweden ?
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:47:12 GMT
Reply-To: yvesv@info.win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

Hello,

I am going to travel through Sweden this summer. Is there anybody out there who can give me some addresses of cheap hotels in the following swedish cities:
Stockholm
Karlstadt
Malmo
Helsingborg
Borlange

I already know the youth hostels in these cities but would like to have some alternative places to stay.
Thanks in advance ,

Yves van de Vijver
EiNdhoven University of Technology,
the Netherlands.

(reply through e-mail if possible: yvesv@info.win.tue.nl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps)
Subject: Re: England-Info on Castles/Great Houses; "cheap" lodging around London
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:11:57 GMT

mshulman@emc.com (Mike Shulman) writes:

>Hello everyone!
>  My SO and I are going to England for the first 2 weeks of September. We plan
>to spend 1 week in London and 1 week traveling around the country. We 
>would like to hear any recommendations for neat castles/palaces/great houses
>to see - where they are, where is a good place to find inexpensive lodging
>(bead & breakfast ?) near them.  Are there any castles where one can stay
>for the night? (Inexpensive is not necessarily a requirement in THIS case.)

Most of the large houses in Britain open to the public are owned either
by the National Trust (a private charity) or English Heritage (a govt.
agency).  You should be able to get info on either of these from a
British tourist office or consulate, or any tourist information office in
Britain will give you brochures. In either case, you can join for a year
and get free admission to all of these properties. There may be a
special arrangement for overseas tourists.

There are some royal palaces which are usually open to the public.
Near London, there's the Tower of London, Hampton Court and Windsor
Castle.  You'll have to pay for entry to these separately.

The tourist info centres will have lists of vacancies in B&Bs, etc.,
and will call them for you if you visit them. They're usually in the
centres of towns and are in the phone books under "Tourist ..".  I've
always found them very helpful.

You don't have to go too far out before
you save a great deal on accomodation. You can buy combined tickets
which give you a return train trip into London plus unlimited use of
London buses, trains and tubes all day, which will cost you less than
the difference in accomodation. The last trains out tend to be around
midnight, so as long as you can still get into your B&B, you can have a
night out on the town.

Most of these places are suburbs of London in effect (read - deadly
dull). You might like to try Saffron Walden - about a mile from Audley
End house, and about two miles from Audley End station. It's about
40 miles out of the centre, but has a reasonable train service.
You may be able to find accomodation in outer London itself, e.g.
Harrow, Watford etc. These are *not* tourist destinations, though, but
represent a cheap crash-pad. There shouldn't be too much of a problem
with booking, since the schools will have gone back by then.

Ian
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Ian Phillipps, Unipalm Ltd, 216 Science Park,		Phone +44 223 420002
Milton Road, Cambridge, CB4 4WA, England.		Phax  +44 223 426868
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From: meir@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Yigal Meir)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Avis Europe Experience
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:57:04 GMT
Reply-To: meir@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu.UUCP (Yigal Meir)
Organization: UCSB Physics Department

In article <92203.115223ESR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ESR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Ed Russell) writes:
>The following is posted for information for others to avoid similar pitfalls.
>It is not posted to solicit comments about what I should have done or should
>do now.
>
>                               -----------
>
>For a (mostly) business trip to Europe in June I explored car rental costs.
>Normally on one of these trips (Geneva and Lyon) I would simply use public
>transportation but in this case public transportation was a slight
>inconvenience because of my preferred travel schedule.  On previous trips I
>have used Hertz when I have needed a car.
>  etc.


Somebody else claimed that this is a manifestation of the European
 attitude. I would like to counter that with two experiences that
 I had, which clearly demonstrated, at least to me, that it is
 Avis in particular where one can expect bad service.

I am (or have been) a frequent traveller in Europe. Having flown in
 out of Europe (coming from Israel), I have always used the European
 travel plan, where one can reserve, rather inexpensively, rental
 cars in Europe. One gets a voucher which he trades in for the
 car rental charges. I've done this many time with Hertz, and never
 had any problems. By the end of the trip the rental agency would pay
 me cash for the unused portion of the voucher. One time I decided
 to use Avis (money, what else). I picked up the car in Paris, but
 30 miles out of paris a smoke started emerging from the engine.
 I had to drive into the first Avis agency that I found (which was
 closed, of course. I had  to wait a couple of hours). The guy
 eventually found out that they forgot the lid of one of the tanks, 
 I forget which. He did not have one, and refused to give me
 another car. After I insisted, he succeeded in getting the part
 from a gas station. I lost almost a full day of my trip. Then 
 when I came back to Paris, they refused to refund me for the days
 left on my voucher, being quite rude.
 Believing that this was only French-like incompetence I have recently
 rented a car in LA. I have reserved a car in a reduced rate of 98$
 a week. When I got there, the computer was down (what else). They
 could not find my name in their printed list, and claimed not
 to have a car in the size I wanted. Eventually, they "found" one,
 but they filled out a rental form with the usual rate, about 50-60%
 above the rate quoted to me. Of course, by the time I havr returned
 the car the computer was up again and I was charged the reduced 
 rate, but the whole attitude was really insulting, as if I was 
 trying to cheat them.
 Just thought you'd like to know.
-------------------------
Yigal Meir
Physics Department
University of California
Santa Barbara
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