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From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Puerto Rico:Language Struggle Conti
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:25:20 GMT
Followup-To: Re: Puerto Rico:Language Struggle Conti
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu



Kontei writes:

>I fear for the day Puerto Rico is truly independent...

And I fear for the day all Puerto Ricans think like that...

>That silly Spanish-only law was one of the reasons the PPD
lost the last election.

The law that you mention is NOT  Spanish-ONLY, don't give to it
the characteristics of the English-Only laws.

I fear the day all Puerto Ricans think that
our language --SPANISH-- can be given up in order to achieve statehood.



************

>Spanish Only one (the equivalent of the California English-Only amendment).

Edelmiro if you didn't read the 1991 Spanish language law keep your mouth shut. You know very well that this  law  is not like the California English-only bill 
and it only reaffirms something that we already know: Puerto Ricans's NATURAL language is SPANISH. Why don't you mention the different articles of the NEW LAW proposed by th pro-statehood movement??? Specifically articles number 8 and number 4.

Jose F. Otero
DonQ@acs.bu.edu
From: ez000281@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:37:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Lazaro,

I will concede that the armed forces of Germany, Belgium, and Israel are leadingthe way in terms of acepting homosexuals or "integrating" their armed forces.
In any event I am happy that our President intends to go ahead with his plans
with the support of people like Alfonse D'amato.  I would however like to
know if your country Canada is better off in this respect, since Canadians
(especially in the western provinces) tend to be very homophobic in this
sense of the word.  In any event let us be happy that our President (er, at
least mine) is very englightened in this matter.

Yours Truly,

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Sug. publica (con pregunta publica
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:43:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Ray,

>Los Castros de Cuba son doble traidores ya que beneficiaron
>a la USSR y otros paises pero se han apoderado de todo en Cuba para beneficio
>propio tambien .....

En la mente de Fidel, el pueblo cubano tienen solo una patria: Fidel. Dicen
que los miles que salen huyendo de Cuba estan practicando la infidelidad :-). Loabsurdo de todo esto de pedirle a Clinton que perdone a Castro, es que hace
apenas unos dias los mismos que piden la reconciliacion con Castro estaban
criticando a Clinton por la riversa que le metio a su politica hacia Haiti.
Decian que Clinton no cumplio una promesa de campan~a y ahora quieren que rompa
la promesa que le hizo a la comunidad cubana, en lo que respecta a estrangular
a Castro.  Son simplemente unos hipocritas.

Edelmiro
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Guatemala News 1/22 ed-lp
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:56:00 GMT
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Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!nyt    Jan 25 20:56:00 1993


Subject: Guatemala News 1/22 ed-lp
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit

From el diario/La Prensa

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Guatemalan President Proposes Ceasefire

Guatemalan President Jorge Serrano asked the UN on January 
19 to observe the demobilization of the Guatemalan National 
Revolutionary Union (UNRG), if that group accepts his peace 
proposal. "This is the greatest opening ever shown," he said in a
speech before the UN General Assembly. "It reflects the 
government's fulfillment of the Guatemalan people's hopes for 
peace." Serrano proposed that the rebels be confined to certain 
areas in the country, whose limits would be determined by the 
government during the demobilization. There was not immediate 
comment from the UNRG headquarters located in Mexico City. 

"We are asking for help from the international community in 
this conflict, the oldest in Latin America," said Serrano. On 
January 14 Serrano asked the rebels to sign a peace accord within
90 days. He said his government was willing to sign a human 
rights agreement immediately, and would cooperate with the 
repatriation of some 45,000 Guatemalan refugees. Representatives 
of human rights organizations said some 2,200 refugees would be 
returning to Guatemala from Mexico on January 20. 

In his speech of January 19 Serrano did not offer any 
concessions to the UNRG, nor did he outline the conditions for 
the ceasefire, but said his government was willing to put into 
effect a truce even if the rebels had not signed a peace accord 
within the proposed 90 days. (edlp 01/20/93 from AP)


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From: leoncioe@hemlock.ppc.ubc.ca (leoncio estevez-reyes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Request for Venezuelan mailing lists
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:31:08 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hemlock.ppc.ubc.ca
Keywords: mailing lists

Today I read a message from Phillips Dale in Sweden. I tried to send him e-mail but my mailer 
doesn't know his host. So here I go, in public:

Hi Phillip!

You said:
>we have a Venezuelan professor visiting us at this time...
>...anybody knew of any electronic newspapers, mailing lists, which he could
>subscribe to.  Please respond be e-mail....
  
Tell this fellow to send a message to venezuela-request@athena.mit.edu asking 
for inclusion in the mailing list.

Regards

Leon


P.S.: I apologize for the waste of bandwidth, but life is tough sometimes ;-)
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:41 PST
Subject: Paraguay Newsbriefs 1/25 ed-lp
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Subject: Paraguay Newsbriefs 1/25 ed-lp
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit

from el diario/La Prensa

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Paraguayan Opposition Warns Against Election Delay

Paraguayan opposition leader Domingo Laino warned on January
20 that a delay in presidential elections, scheduled for May 9,
"would be equivalent to a coup d'etat." As presidential candidate
for the Authentic Radical Liberal Party (PLRA), Laino said that
if the delay, proposed by the members of the government's
Colorado Party, were to take place, the country would have a new
de facto government. The Colorado Party was not able to name a
presidential candidate during its internal elections on December
27.

"We cannot go outside the constitutional framework, the only
one we (the opposition) will accept," said Laino. According to
some polls he has a good chance of winning the May elections.

If the government delays the elections, the PLRA will
withdraw its representatives from the parliament and will not
participate in the process. In polls in early January the PLRA
leader was even with the independent candidate, Guillermo
Caballero, a businessman with ties to the unpopular Colorado and
Liberal parties, and the minorities grouped together in small
political movements.

Laiono had proposed weeks earlier a dialogue with the
military to get the leaders to commit themselves not to interfere
in the elections. (edlp 01/21/93 from AFP)


Paraguayan President Says He'll Cede Power

Paraguayan President General Andres Rodriguez announced on
January 22 that he would turn over power to the candidate who
wins Paraguay's May 9 elections. He stated, "August 15 will be a
Sunday, and I will choose the best time to turn over power, in a
ceremony which will be broadcast on television." Rodriguez's
Colorado Party, which has been in power in Paraguay since 1947,
is the only political organization which until now has not named
a presidential candidate, since the results of internal elections
which took place on December 27 are still unknown.

The Electoral Court, in charge of overseeing the voting, was
dissolved at the beginning of this month, when its members
resigned. An Extraordinary Convention called for February 14 will
elect new members. The Colorado Party has until March 9 to
resolve its internal problems and register its candidates, or
they will not be able to participate in the May 9 elections.

Rodriguez said he has confidence that the factions
struggling within his party will resolve their problems and that
they will have a candidate in the May elections. (edlp 01/22/93
from AP)


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From: villamil6710@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: elections about P.R.
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:09:04 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I want information about elections in P.R. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Re: Letras completas del Himno Nacional de Cuba
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:24:28 GMT

In article <C1Ez0r.2Ax.1@cs.cmu.edu> valdes+@CS.CMU.EDU (Raul Valdes-Perez) writes:
>No se si esta' completo, pero mi referencia indica lo siguiente:
>
>Al combate corred, bayameses
>Que la Patria os contempla orgullosa;
>No temais una muerte gloriosa,
>Que morir por la Patria es vivir.
>
>En cadenas vivir, es vivir
>En afrenta y oprobio sumido;
>Del clarin escuchad el sonido;
>!A las armas, valientes corred!
>
El himno continua de esta manera:

Valerosos cubanos luchemos
Y retumben los gritos de guerra.
Si es preciso, la vida daremos,
Nuestra sangre por la libertad.

Ya resuena el clarin !al ataque!
Cuerpo a cuerpo valientes lidiemos
Y obteniendo gloriosa victoria
Cuba libre por siempre sera.

Claro que siempre hemos cantado solo las estrofas que Raul escribe. 
Aun me faltan algunas estrofas en las que se habla mal de los espan~oles, esa 
es la razon por la que las suprimieron cuando se instauro la republica. Yo he 
buscado por todas partes aca, pero nada he encontrado. Si alguien puede encon-
trarlas se lo agradeceria mucho.

Gracias Raul,

>-- 
>Raul E. Valdes-Perez		    valdes@cs.cmu.edu
>Carnegie Mellon University	    (412) 268-7127

-- 
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| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
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From: rodin@acs.bu.edu (luis del)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: language
Keywords: here we go again
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:36:33 GMT
Followup-To: Puerto Rico language policy
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: rodin@acs.bu.edu



>Jose F. Otero
>DonQ@acs.bu.edu
>
>PD: "El espanhol en Puerto Rico es sacrificable en orden de obtener la estadidad"
>                                         	Myriam Ramirez de Ferrer
>
>
>
>    "El deber del esclavo es aprender el idioma de su amo"
>                                                Sergip Penha Clos



Well Jose in the first instance you have taken the quote of one person, probably out of context, and twisted it to reflect the whole stathood mentality; which we know not to be true. One person's opinion does not make a political platform. Reflecting your left wing bias towards the U.S.A., you have nit-picked at every problem a particular entity, statehood, and made a negative representation of it. Has Carlos Romero Barcelo ever commented in favor of sacrificing Spanish, has "CUCUZA", has Rosello? NO. And 





neither has the 99% of statehood movement. 

As for your later statement, Jose you better heed the laws of logic, so as to not insult yourself. If it is a slave's duty to learn the language of his master, and if you Jose employ this quotation to explain the language struggle in Puerto Rico, and thus  reflecting the subserviant attitude of the statehood movement, then you Jose you are a slave, for you speak English--probably better than alot statehooders. And you as well as I do that the gubernatorial canditate for the pro "independence" movement send





s hos kids to study at an all ENGLISH high scool.


At any rate Jose, you can tell Sergip Penha Clos that by learning English I did not learn my master's language but rather learned the language that is spoken in the country in which I am a citizen. I have increased my economical oppprtunities immensly because of English. Moreover,I have grown intellectually and culturally because of English. The same can be said for Spanish. For Spanish is not only en vouge culturally, but economically Spanish is a language that is in demand in the market place. Overall be





cause of the globalizing trend, and specifically because  of the Mexico free trade agreement, which has enriched the market place. Oh by the by, to the left wing intellectual reader: a market place is a place where people exchange good and services.

Therefore this old idiom holds true today as it did yesterday: Un hombre o una mujer que habla dos idiomas vale por dos. You can tell that also to Sergip Penha Clos. If he is dead, then you can etch it in his tombstone. For just like the PHOENIX truth, reason, and prosperity shall rise from the words of un 'acomplejao'.

Luis A. del Valle


Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Letras completas del Himno Nacional de Cuba
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:22:17 GMT

Hola,

?Me podrian, por favor, enviar la letra completa del Himno Nacional Cubano?
Desearia especialmente las estrofas que se suprimieron despues de la guerra
de independencia por consideracion a Espan~a. 

Gracias,

-- 
| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
| St. John's, Terranova, Canada.  ||  sobre la isla perdida	   	     |
| lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca       ||  el aire amarillo tiembla! - F.G. Lorca |
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: English Only: un mito
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:06:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

ENGLISH ONLY... leyes vacias...

Para aquellos que creen que las leyes de English Only tienen alguna fuerza 
juridica, acabo de encontrar una ley que las anula por completo todas estas 
leyes, ya que las leyes Federales tienen primacia sobre las leyes estatales de 
English Only.  Se trata nada menos de una Ley Firmada por BUSH en 1990:  
"Public Law 101-477  Title I Native American Languages Act".  Miren lo que dice 
la ley sobre algunas lenguas que existen en estados donde hay English only:

"It is the policy of the United States to:

(1) preserve, protect and promote the Rights and Freedom of Native Americans 
to use, practice, and develop Native American Languages;...

(3) encourage and support the use of Native American languages as a medium of 
instruction in order to encourage and support-
        (A) Native American language survival,
        (B) educational opportunity
        (C) increased student success and performance,
        (D) increased student and community pride;

(4) encourage State and local education programs to wark with Native American 
parents, educaators, Indian tribes, and other Native American  governing bodies 
 in the implementation of programs to put this policy into effect;

(5) recognize the right of Indian tribes and other Native American governing 
bodies to  use the Native American Languages as a medium of instruction in all 
schools funded by the secretary of interior;...

(7) support the granting of comparible proficiency acheived throghout course 
work in Native Amreican language the same academic credit as comparable 
proficiency achieved through course work in a foreign language...'"

En vista de que la XIV enmienda a la Constitucion garantiza igual proteccion 
ante la Ley, cualquier otro miembro de otras minorias linguisticas (incluyendo 
a los hispanohablantes) puede invocar las mismas garantias de esta ley y anular 
de jure todas las enmiendas de English Only en los pocos sitios en donde la 
histeria contra el extranjero ha nublado a la razon.  ??Que te parece Jose???

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: resk@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.e.sabat)
Subject: Chile in the Wall Street Journal
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:21:42 GMT

Hi!

There is an Article about Chilean economics in the first page of yesterday's
Wall Street Journal (January 25, 1993).  I thought it might be of interest
to some people.  I imagine that most large libraries would have copies of
the WSJ.

Ricardo
From: donq@acs.bu.edu (Jose Otero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Puerto Rico:Language Struggle Conti
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:15:43 GMT
Followup-To: Re: Puerto Rico:Language Struggle Conti
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: donq@acs.bu.edu




>But Jose you have not changed, the spanish language does not have to be, and <will not be given up for statehood;

OK Luis, but do you remember Sen. Benet Johnson from LA 3 years ago??? Try to remember it was on the Antiguo Casino in San Juan during the hearings for the 
never realized plebiscite. Please try to remember the statements of congressmen 
on those hearings regarding the Spanish language and the "estadidad jibara".

Sobre lo que escribi de que "que se podia sacrificar el espanhol en orden de obtener la estadidad" te digo que solo citaba a Myrian Ramirez de Ferrer.

Jose F. Otero
DonQ@acs.bu.edu


PD: La birra me la doy cuando quieras.
From: ccadeff@sadeff.vislab.olemiss.edu (Sergio Adeff)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.latin-america llego a Buenos Aires
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:54:43 GMT

>anibal@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (Anibal Jodorcovsky) writes:

>> In article <8euqeB1w165w@satlink.org.ar> horacio@satlink.org.ar (SatLink Admi
>> >Hola a todos!
>> >
>> >Tengo el agrado de informarles que a partir de hoy, ya estamos recibiendo
>> >este newsgroup en Buenos Aires, ARGENTINA.
>> >Dentro de algunos dias vamos a empezar a distribuirlo a algunos BBSs 
>> >locales.
>> >
>> >
>> >Atentos saludos,
>> >Horacio Stolovitzky
>> 
>> Esto no significa que haya coneccion 'directa' hacia alla, no?
>> Lo que quiero decir es si hay una coneccion directa al Internet,
>> asi se podria hacer 'talk' o hasta usar IRC...
>> 
>> Si no se puede, alguien sabe cuando se va a poder????
>> 
>> Saludos...
>> 
>> -Anibal

In <iJJoXB2w165w@satlink.com.ar> horacio@satlink.com.ar (SatLink Administrator) writes:

>Si, existe una conexion directa telnet/ftp pero actualmente es de uso 
>interno del ministerio de relaciones exteriores y culto...

>Atentos saludos,
>Horacio Stolovitzky

La coneccion directa a que alude Horacio tambien es usada (a travez de una
conexion con RREE) por la RECYT (Red Electronica de Ciencia Y Tecnologia)
que depende de la Secretaria de Ciencia y Tecnologia, Subsecretaria de
Informatica y Desarrollo (CC Carlos Sassali, Subsecretario).  Varias universi-
dades estatales y centros de investigacion estan conectados a la red a travez
de la RECYT.  La jefa de la RECYT es (tengo entenddido) la CC Estela Barone, 
cuyo email es ebarone@secyt.gov.ar
Seguramente ella podra mar detalles si hubiera necesidad.
Yo creo que independientemente de quien haya comenzado primero a usar news en
Argentina, nos debemos alegrar por la novedad que trajo Horacio, especialmente
si habiendo un news server anterior (como afirmara Anibal) este luego se 
desconecto (como contestara Horacio). 
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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Esperanto en s.c.l-a
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:08:31 GMT

La duda que me agarra es: Por que siguen debatiendo sobre
las bondades o no del Esperanto en soc.culture.LATIN-AMERICA?

No es parte de la net-ettiquete el que cada foro tiene un area
de interes, y en este caso es sobre latinoamerica?

Creo que es hora que manden el debate al newsgroup correspondiente
(soc.*.esperanto tal vez?)


AAP
Organization: Doctoral student, Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: DowJones@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Old Favorite Cuba Again Becoming U.S. Tourist Hot Spot
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:26:07 -0500 

  

  American vacationers are likely to flock to some unusual spots this
year, travel agents say. Among the most surprising possibilities is one
old favorite: Cuba.  

  U.S. travel restrictions have kept Americans away from the island for
three decades. The travel ban remains in effect, but rumors of a lifting
of restrictions and growing anticipation that the Castro government may
fall have tour operators and cruise companies making plans.  

  Cruise-ship operators are studying Cuba's various ports of call, conducting
samples of sailing times, and developing three-day and four-day cruise
itineraries, says Roger Block, president of Travel Agents International,
a franchise company based in St. Petersburg, Fla. Rod McLeod, executive
vice president of sales and marketing at Royal Caribbean Cruises, Miami,
says, "Those of us who are active in the Caribbean are taking a look
at how destinations in Cuba can be included in our itineraries."  

  Cuba was also among the new destinations that showed up in a poll by
the American Society of Travel Agents in which travel professionals were
asked to forecast the top destinations for 1993. Europe, the U.S. and
the Pacific Rim were the leading picks, but "with the fall of so many
regimes around the world, people are expecting it will eventually happen
in Cuba, too," says Jim Eraso, Florida area director for the travel agents'
group.  

  Low hotel rates and exceptional beaches account for much of the interest
in Cuba. The country's infrastructure is hardly ready to handle an influx
of travelers. But "because it has been forbidden fruit, Cuba will boom
as a tourist destination when the restrictions are lifted," Block says.
 

  11 26 AM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: Los nin~os que hablan esperanto
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:10:10 GMT

Edmund Grimley-Evans (etg10@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: |> In fact, the only conference in which Esperanto is used is in 
: |> conferences dealing with...  Esperanto.
: 
: Wrong. A recent international conference of the European Greens used Esperanto
: among other languages.
Si, es verdad que muchas conferences usan esperanto hoy.
Olli Paju, Finlando
From: valdes+@CS.CMU.EDU (Raul Valdes-Perez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Letras completas del Himno Nacional de Cuba
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:31:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C1Ez0r.2Ax.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

No se si esta' completo, pero mi referencia indica lo siguiente:

Al combate corred, bayameses
Que la Patria os contempla orgullosa;
No temais una muerte gloriosa,
Que morir por la Patria es vivir.

En cadenas vivir, es vivir
En afrenta y oprobio sumido;
Del clarin escuchad el sonido;
!A las armas, valientes corred!

compuesto por Perucho Figueredo en la ciudad de Bayamo, 1868.

-- 
Raul E. Valdes-Perez		    valdes@cs.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University	    (412) 268-7127