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From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: repression of women
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:31:22 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <assist.716189098@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>>I just want to add to what Farzin wrote.
> 
> You writing indeed show the same mentality of (an in fact
> complementary to those of) Farzin.
> 
>>If one looks at the dress worn by nuns, he/she finds very little difference 
>>between this dress and that worn by a Muslim women.  Are nuns forced to
>>wear this dress because priests are untrustworthy or because of some other
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, nuns are not *forced* per se,
> but choose to wear their dress. If a women wishes to cover
> herself, that is her choice.

Can a women become a nun if she displays her body?


> 
>>reason?  Ofcourse, the logic behind this dress is that a woman will get
>>closer to GOD if she covers her body properly.  The difference between a 
> 
> So if a woman covers herself completely, she is closest to 
> God regardless of whom she sleeps with or whose blood she
> sucks.  That is Khomeinism logic.

A Muslim is only a Muslim in real sense if he/she observes all of the
obligations of islam.  That is the real islam and that is 
Khomeinism.  The opression on islam and Muslims in the todays world
is direct result of policies made by those so-called Muslims who practise a tiny
fraction of Islam. 

 
>>Muslim and christian is that Muslim want all of their women to get closer 
>>to their God, While christians considers same only for nuns.     
> 
> Keep that kind of closeness to God to yourself; let the Iranian
> women choose for themselves how close they want to be to God.

Iranian women has already decided what is good for them by overwhelmingly
voting in favour the present islamic constitution of Iran.  I would
like every democratic-minded person to respect their will.


>>Btw, a recent survey published in the Irish independant showed 
>>involvement of priests in child abuse cases to a large extent.  Also, there
>>was a news that child abuse by priests in Canada increased to such a great
>>level that the highest body of the catholic church had to consider this matter
>>in a meeting specially covened for this purpose.
> 
> The above statments very much contradict your nonsense about
> covering a women to make her closer to God. It is the
> personality that must be pure and honest not the dress that
> he/she wears or the position he/she holds.


Sir, may be you did not follow the whole thread of discussion.  The author of
the original article had argued that chador was imposed on women in Iran to
hide her from Iranian men who are very sexually aggressive towards women. 
I was just citing an example to make it clear that although many priests have 
been found involved in sex-related scandals but it does not imply that nuns 
cover their body because of that reason.  Similarly it is nonsense to say that
nature of men in Iran has some thing to do with veiling. 

regards,

asad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.rights.human
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:39:07 GMT


Reply to anonymous posting:

>An official newpaper of the ruling tyrants in Iran reported last
>year that 800 women were arrested and prosecuted for improper
>veiling in just two days in Tehran.
>
>Several weeks ago, the NYT reported that some 600 women were arrested
>in Iran in few days for the same "crime": lack of what the regime
>considers proper veil (i.e., the women should follow the regime's
>reactionary, repressive policy of covering themselves in chadors, not
>using perfume or makeups, not wearing colorful cloths, etc.)

This is incorrect.   Four hundred women were stopped 
on the streets due to their immodest dress; they were asked to
promiss that they would not repeat the offense again, and they were
let go.  They weren't arrested.  Only 20 people were actually arrested.

>A glance at the above figures implies that perhaps on average, at
>least 300 (this is a pretty conservative figure) women are arrested
>each day in Iran.

False.   The stopping of the above-mentioned people came only
after mounting pressure and anti-government criticism from the public 
and the media.  People critcized the government for allowing immodesty
and indecent dress.  Every now and then, the government is forced to
crack down (temporarily) on people with indecent dress to abate such
criticism.  That's why the government boasted that it stopped 400 people
(and arrested 20 others) within two days.

Fabrications such as the one in this anonymous article are not 
uncommon.  Here are a few other examples:

1.  A netter recently claimed that 400 women were arrested AND
    LASHED in a space of 2 days!

2.  Last summer, Western media falsely misquoted a top Iranian
    judicial as having said that the punishment for indecent
    clothing is execution!!!   The official vehemently denied
    this fabrication.  Needless to say, the Western media completely
    ignored his denial.

3.  Diane Sawyer of 60 minutes falsely claimed that Iranian women
    don't have property rights!!!!  She also falsely misquoted 
    Pres. Rafsanjani as having said that women have smaller brains
    and smaller hearts than men and so men should rule over women.  
    I referred to the original text of his speech and, of course,
    there was no such thing in it.

4.  Mr. Mohatashemi was falsely misquoted by the Western media
    as having said that all political prisoners were executed!
    Of course, all international human rights organizations deny
    this.  Once again, Mr. Mohtashemi's vehement denials of this
    fabrication and slander against him were completely ignored
    in the Western media.
From: 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Persian Music
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:05:01 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Salam Doostan

I saw a while back a number of people were discussing buy or selling
treditional Iranian musical instruments such as KAMANCHEH, SETAR etc. and also
a number of postings were concerned with the nature of PEARSIAN music as
compared to western music etc.

So as I know there are a number of people with great expereince in music in
this group I would like to ask a few questions related to PERSIAN music:

1) I do not have any knowledge of music at all. I would like to know if it is
possible for me to learn the KAMANCHEH, How difficult is it etc.

2) Is there texts available for this ?

3) Is there texts available for PERSIAN MUSIC ?

4) Is it possible to obtain the instrument itself outside IRAN ?

I would be greatfull if some one could assist me with these questions.

Please contact me at  the following e-mail address:

		8809787L@LV.LEVELS.UNISA.EDU.AU

I leave in Adelaide South Australia.

Yours Faithfully
Peyam Pourbeik
 
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From: vforo@ecst.csuchico.edu (ROMIN)
Subject: It's just a joke 
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 07:23:54 GMT



Salaam be Hame
	please don't get mad, after all it's just a joke.

They asked a Turk, name three birds. He replied, "Kaftar, BolBol, AolAgh"
They asked him why "AolAgh." 

he said, "Balam jan Oon khar ast, ye rozy didi parvaz kard." 

ROMIN
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From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Repression of women has been escalated in Iran
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:10:40 GMT

bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>Whew!  Our anonymous friend seems to be a chronic liar.
>After the fabricated "statistics" he/she posted about
>women in Iran, he/she has continued to write many 
>lies, including the following:

>>	* raping virgin girls before execution as a system of justice

Actually, the above is a common knowledge in Iran.

>There is not a single human rights organization in the whole world that

You know, it is difficult to ask an executed girl if she
was raped before her execution. However, many former
political prisoners have cited numerous cases of rape-
before execution of virgin girls. In affition, a former
intellgient officer of the Pasdaran Corp, Sarmast Akhlaq-
Tabandeh, has written about the cases that had witnessed.

Furthermore, is it not a belief in the regime's idealogy
that if a virgin girl is executed she goes to heaven?

>has substantiated this claim.  This claim can be found mainly in 
>propaganda publications of political organizations, such as your own
>favorite MKO/NLA.

>Background info. for readers:

>The MKO & NLA is a terrorist group which is based in Iraq and supported
>by Saddam Hussain.  It also participated in the slaughter of Iraq's
>Kurds after Persian Gulf War.  This has been attested not only by 
>Iraq's Kurdish groups, but also by former members of the organization 
>who fled the MKO jails and escaped to Israel (as well as Jordan, and 
>Iran).  They were had been imprisoned due to their refusal to massacre Kurds.  
>They also reported that they were tortured and mistreated in MKO prisons.

What is a few more lies? BTW, those who fled to the Israel were
refugees who had escaped the akhound's terrors. Nowhere in their
interviews or testimonies did they mentioned that they were
affiliated with the Mojahedin. You knoe, the terror and hardship
under the Khomeini regime has been so intolrable that poor
Iranians have had to fled to countries like Turkey, Pakistan,
Iraq, all over Europe, and even to Israel. That's another "medal"
for the akhounds: Iranian intellectuals and educated are offering
their services to the west; other young Iranians with great
potentials are saddly being rotten and invlved with drugs in
Pakistan and Turkey.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: rsl30@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Looking for MEHDI MANSOURI
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:02:31 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


I am looking for a friend of mine, Mehdi Mansouri, originally
from Shiraz.  Last I have heard from him was about four years
ago.  He was living in Long Beech, CA back then, and got
married about the same time.  

Please if you know of his where-abouts, send me an e-mail.

Thanks.
Mehrzad

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Writing question
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:01:04 GMT


With respect to the recent post about writing (esp. cuneiform "khat meekhee"):

What was Iran's writing form *just* before it became Arabic?  I know that it
was once cuneiform, but that was ages before the Arab invasion.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( )
Subject: Re: Munafeghin
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:58:12 GMT

abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>In article <assist.716412243@unocss>, assist@unocss.unomaha.edu ( ) writes:
>> <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>Munafeghin-a zed-a khalqh are known to everybody entirely for their
>>>participation in anti-revolutionary activities against the khalqh-a
>>>IRAN. They are weak and can not propose themeselves socially or
>>>politically to the people of Iran. They are defeated politically,
>>>socially, and more obvious one militarily. They are so weak inside
>>>and outside that are forced to get united to some politically and
>>>socially bankrupt khak-bar-sari such as Saddam Hossein of Iraq.
>>>Marg bar munafegh. Marg bar zed-a Khalqh. Zend-a bad rah-h-a hagh.
>> 
>> I take the above as your explanation for Khamenei's
>> disgusting show of collecting money from women while
>> allowing them to kiss his hands or feet. After all,
>> he is the "leader" and must mimic his mentor's role.
>> That explains your slogans above and in particular 
>> the "Zend-a bad rah-h-a hagh" call.

>Do you know anything except hurling abuses ??

There is no hurling of abuses; I had asked the Khomeini
apologist to explain Khamenei's ludicrous display of luring
people and Mr U60001 of UIC came up with his brilliant
article. I simply took it as his explanation.

>Your reply clearly
>indicates the kind of "democracy" your party will enforce if you come in 
>power.                 ^^^^^^^^^

I am at lost here!

Could you Mr. Asad cover-women-to-make-them-close-to-god Abbas explain
how my response above "clearly indicates" my kind of "democracy"?

>May Allah protect the islamic revolution.

Do you mean the Khomeini regime? Well, if you had slightest idea
of how the Iranians inside and outside Iran are and have been
suffering because of backward policies and absolute repression
of the Khomeini regime, you would think twice before making such
wishes.

>God help you,

>Asad.


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From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Represion of women has been escalated in Iran 
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:39:26 GMT

  In article: <1992Sep7.232649.8111@seas.gwu.edu> marshall@seas.gwu.edu (Christopher Marshall) writes:

    ( stuff deleted )

>Do you all think there is any hope for Iran in the near (~10 years)
>future?  What would it take to free Iran?
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     An American Marshall, like yourself, with 400,000 soldiers and
+500 airfighters and +120,000 sorties of heavy bombardments with B-52's
and missiles. Exactly like when US made Iraqi people free.

>Chris Marshall

Mohammad
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From: uk05650@nx30.mik.uky.edu (Adnan Al-Alharmoodi)
Subject: Response to everyone
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:48:24 GMT

Salam bar doostan:

	I have only been using the E-Mail for the past two weeks and I  
really like what I see so far(to some extend).  However, I have a problem  
with a lot of responses that I am seeing about the jokes that Ramin shares  
with us.
	To tell you the truth I really like his jokes and I would like to  
see some more of them.  I don't understand why we Iranians have to make  
everything so hard for ourselves.  We occupy our minds with such  
ridiculous thoughts that we forget to think about more beneficient  
subjects.  Our country has been steadily falling behind and we worry about  
why someone is telling few jokes.
	In addition, a lot of us like the jokes especially some of my Arab  
friends and they have no problem with them.

	I hope I haven't insulted anyone.  By the way I am orginally from  
a part of Iran Where the people of the Iranians tell plenty jokes about.

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From: payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Subject: Re: Rafsanjani holds talks with Turkish interior minister in Tehran
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:24:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.162935.27259@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:

>	The Istanbul newspaper Hurriyet said Sezgin was accompanied by a team
>of intelligence and security experts, with photographs, maps and other
>material to prove PKK rebels entered Turkey from Iran to carry out
>recent attacks near the border.
>	During the weekend, Tehran radio quoted Iranian officials as saying
>in talks with Sezgin the Islamic Republic would be ready to cooperate on
>security affairs if Ankara stopped the activities of Iranian dissident
>groups in Turkey.

... In a related development, Iranian fighter jets last week forced
down two Turkish warplanes which had crossed into Iranian airspace.
The planes and their pilots are being held in an air base in western
Iran, waiting for the issue to be resolved.

Source: New York Times, Wednesday Sept. 9, 1992.

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From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: Shajarian in Chicago?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:03:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Hello :

Someone told me that Shajarian will be in Chicago very soon.  Can anyone
kindly confirm that?



Farid Hamjavar
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From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Arabs put Gulf War costs at $620 billion
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:06:13 GMT


	ABU DHABI, United Arab Republics (UPI) -- The Persian Gulf War cost
Arab economies $620 billion in direct losses, most of which consisted of
the massive physical damages done to Iraq and Kuwait, Arab central bank
governors said in a report.
	The $620 billion in losses was headed by $190 billion in damages to
the infrastructure of Iraq and $160 billion in damages to the
infrastructure of Kuwait, the central bank governors said in a draft
summary report Saturday.
	The losses also included an estimated $185 billion drop in economic
development in various Arab countries, primarily Kuwait and Iraq, and a
$84 billion increase in government spending in a number of Arab
countries, the report said.
	The report also said Arab countries paid $51 billion to outside
countries as a result of the crisis, but said it did not calculate it as
a loss because the money was considered to be still yielding a return.
	The report was prepared jointly by the Arab League, the Arab Monetary
Fund, the Arab Fund for Economic and Social Development and the
Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries.
	The report also blamed the crisis for a host of other economic
setbacks in Arab countries, including a drop in overall growth rates.
	Inflation in Arab countries reached 20 percent during the two years
of the crisis, matching its levels of the 1970s, the report said.
	Arab oil production fell by 2.2 percent in 1991 as compared to the
previous year, and oil revenues fell to $96 billion from $101 billion in
1990, the report said.
	Arab oil represented 38 percent of the world oil production in 1991.
	Arab government budget deficits had fallen to 6 percent in 1990,
reaching their lowest level since 1982, but rose to 10 percent in 1991,
the report said.
	The report also said Arab external debts fell by 3.3 percent in 1990
to reach $153 billion, and Arab states gave $6.3 billion in development
aid in 1990.
	Arab states provided $100 billion in development aid since 1970, of
which the Gulf states gave 93 percent. The Saudi contribution covered 64
percent, followed by Kuwait at 16 percent and the United Arab Emirates
at 10 percent.
	Kuwait's development aid represented 12.3 percent of its gross
national product, Saudi Arabia's aid was 4 percent of GNP and the UAE's
contribution was 3 percent.
	In 1991 Saudi Arabia gave $2 billion in aid, of which $1.5 billion
was non-refundable. Saudi Arabia also canceled loans worth $6 billion to
a number of Arab and African states.
	About 60 percent of the Arab development aid was given to fellow Arab
states and the rest was given to developing countries in Africa, Asia,
and Latin America, the report said.


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From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iranian demonstrate in Tehran in support of Bosnian Muslims
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:34:31 GMT


	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Thousands of Iranians marched through the
streets of Tehran Friday in a state-sponsored demonstration to express
support for the Muslims of Bosnia-Hercegovina, Tehran radio said.
	The crowds, carrying placards and chanting slogans, ``condemned the
genocide of the Muslim people of Bosnia-Hercegovina,'' who are ``being
killed for the crime of being Muslims,'' an Iranian state radio
broadcast monitored in Athens said.
	The demonstrators converged on Tehran University for Friday prayers,
where they listened to a sermon on Bosnia-Hercegovina by Ayatollah Ahmed
Jannati, the chief of Iran's Islamic Propagation Organization.
	Iran has sent planeloads of relief aid to Bosnia-Hercegovina, but
last week President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said his country did not
have the financial means to send military assistance to the Bosnians
against the Serbs.
	Iran has called on Muslim countries around the world to set up an
Islamic army to help the Bosnian Muslims, but there has been no word
from Tehran, or from other member-states of the Islamic Conference
Organization, on whether concrete steps have been taken.
	The demonstrators Friday accused the United States and the West of 
``supporting Serbian savagery'' in Bosnia-Hercegovina by standing by
while thousands of Muslims were being massacred or forced to flee their
homes.
	In a sermon loaded with sarcasm, Jannati said if it was Serbs who
were being killed, the Western powers would have found reason to 
``defend their human rights...and stop the bloodshed. But because it is
Muslims who are being killed... well, it doesn't matter.''
	Last month, Jannati flew to Bosnia-Hercegovina in an aircraft
carrying Iranian emergency relief and spent one week in the country
before returning to report on conditions there to the ruling clerics in
the Islamic Republic.


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