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Please put me on the list to receive "Campus-Wide Information Systems"
information.

Thank you.



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From:         David Walker <DHWalker@UCI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Any X-Windows CWISes
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Roy,

We're currently building our CWIS in Wingz, so it will have an X-Windows
interface.  Sorry we don't have anything yet, though...

>Anyone give me an address of CWIS with X-Windows Interface?
>
>Roy 'Baby' Pearce
>U. Bham, UK

                                         David Walker
                                         Network Services Manager
                                         Office of Academic Computing

                             Addresses:  NTS
                                         University of California
                                         Irvine, CA 92717-5475

                                         (714) 856-7037
                                         DHWalker@uci.edu
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:31:00 EDT
From:         NOYES@HARTFORD.BITNET
Subject:      Questions on Starting a CWIS

We are in the process of setting up a CWIS, and I'd appreciate sugges-
tions in the following 3 areas:
  1)  If you include tuition/fees in your CWIS, under what menu(s) can
it be found?  At the moment, I have it with courses, but I'm not really
comfortable with that.
  2)  We have been toying with including an index, but we seem to come
up with so many problems, the idea repeatedly gets abandoned.  If you
have an index, how is it structured, is it a pain to set up, etc?

  3)  When you first made your CWIS available, did you have any market-
ing tactics that worked particularly well?

Any comments will be helpful, I'm sure.  If any one else is interested,
I'll summarize for the list.  I'll be on vacation as of 8/3 for 2 weeks,
so I wouldn't summarize until after I return.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Carol Noyes
NOYES@HARTFORD
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Must be vacation time (1)

Date:          Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:53:12 EDT
From:          BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
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I'm sending this short Digest because a few people have written in the last few
days to ask where we are.  The answer is we're here, but everybody else must be
on vacation.

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From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: communications models, again

Jim McDonald: A mechanistic system model may not be able to adequately
describe human discourse.  An attempt would be problematic.  However, the
system could be so modeled that it's not mechanistic.  I'm using the term in
its meta, general, or whole form.  As a way to perceive the whole, it is
neither mechanistic nor human.  However, as you and Allene are pointing out,
the term isn't without connotations that are mechanistic.  I'd be perfectly
happy to use other terms that are less mechanical.  However, I can't think of
a language for modeling what human beings do when they interact--a language
that is not associated with a particular communications model.  Perhaps
there's a meta-model (Plato's "one") for the diverse competing perceptions
(the "many"), a general model that's not associated with a mechanistic view
of the world?

Jim Shimabukuro
jamess@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
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From:         Joel Nydahl <NYDAHL@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Help with gender-neitral terminology

Bill:  Dickie's suggestion of "Faculty Consultant" strikes me as a good one.
And, as usual, David Schwalm's humor is insightful.  I was going to suggest
"Faculty Adjuncts."  There probably isn't THE wonderful title out there
somewhere--just some that are slightly better.
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Subject:      Stuff

Mandy--

Welcome to MBU!!  Summer is a great time to join us--you can get your sea
legs before the deluge of messages during the regular year!!  We look
forward to hearing from you in the Upper Peninsula!

Cindy

  Cynthia L. Selfe
  Humanities Department
  Michigan Technological University
  1400 Townsend Dr.
  Houghton, MI  49931

    Internet:  CYSELFE@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU
    Telephone: (906) 487-2447
    Fax:       906/487-3347
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:44:02 CDT
From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Communication Model?

Allene, why do you think your students need to memorize an all-purpose
communications model in order to write effectively?  Won't that lead to
rote-writing like that in the Famous Five freshman essay?

Bob Boston
Iowa State University
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From:         Allene Cooper <IFCAC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) universal audience (was Re: Communication Model?) (

 *** Reply to note of 07/27/92 09:04
 Now I know "a little" more about Perelman since beginning my reading in
 Realm of Rhetoric.  As I understand the Universal Audience, Perelman
 suggests it only when one is addressing an "audience of good-will and
 philosophical bent".  When would that be, I wonder?  Otherwise, he very
 much suggests getting to know the "particular" audience because he
 suggests the writer/speaker must begin with presumptions that the
 audience already "adheres".  I'm beginning to think the idea of
 universal audience has been made too much of.

 -- Allene Cooper
 Dept. of Business Administration            (602) 965-3231
 Ass't Director, Writing Across the Curriculum  (602)965-3097
 Arizona State Univ., Tempe, AZ 85287  BITNET: IFCAC@ASUACAD
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From:         Susanmarie Harrington <USERGFHF@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      help with gender-neutral terminology

Bill, how about "faculty development coordinators" or facilitators?
That doesn't really get at the status, though.  What about
Faculty Laureates? :)
Susanmarie Harrington
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:59:00 EST
From:         BECKY RICKLY <00RJRICKLY@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Moderated IRC?

First things first--Welcome Mandy!

Now--though I have been delinquent from IRC this week (Tues. night
we watched an Elvis impersonator and the 4-H cattle show at the
Madison County Fair--my priorities are in line--and Thurs. I'll
be out of town), I would like to suggest a moderated IRC session
next Tuesday, July 28, at 9:00 cdt.  I'd like to hear how folks
would respond today to Gail Hawisher and Cindy Selfe's CCC article
"The Rhetoric of Technology and the Electronic Writing Class"
#42, Feb 1991.  Are we still guilty of "uncritical enthusiasm?"
What kinds of things are people doing now that tempers our
previous blind/unbiased/enthusiastic tendencies?  Can we,
after a long, honest look at how we use computers in our
writing classes, say that they indeed do make a significant
difference?  What, exactly, allows us to say so?  Someone may
even tackle the "counterstatment" that appeared in Dec. 1991's
CCC.  SO. . .

Your assignment is to read the aforementioned article, and come
Tues. night prepared to articulate what is (or isn't) different
now, bringing your personal experience and your scholarly experience
into play.  Everyone's welcome!

Becky Rickly
00rjrickly@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Subject:      Re: Welcome Mandy!
              21 Jul 1992 18:47:02 CDT from <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>

Welcome new Megabunny, Mandy Jervis.

Don't take the "bunny" stuff personally....As someone else recently asked,
might not BEES be more appropriate?  Stinging or cute and cuddly?I guess it
depends on the situation--another case for rhetoric.

Valerie Balester
Texas A&M
Another Megabunny
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From:         Bill Condon <USERLCBK@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Welcome, Mandy!

Welcome to MBU, Mandy.  I hope your job description is less
ambiguous than your title.  Head Monitor?  I can think of some
pretty strange possibilties, especially given who you work
for!  ;-)
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From:         McDonald James C <jcm5337@USL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: communications models, again

Walter Ong wrote an article long ago about the emergence of "system" as the
dominant metaphor for conceiving knowledge--"System, Space, and Intellect in
Renaissance Symbolism" in _The Barbarian Within_ (1962).  Instead of discussing
system as mechanistic, he describes it as "visualist," succeeding the concept
of "method" that had been the dominant way of representing knowledge for Ramus
and many others, but still part of an effort that goes back to Aristotle to
conceive knowledge in visualist term.  He ends up arguing for a Hebraic rather
than a wGreek approach to conceiving knowledge, one in which "knowledge is not
contained in a system, but in discourse, in conversation."
  From this perspective, attemptsto systematize knowledge of discourse is
inherently problematic.
   Jim McDonald
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:23:14 CDT
From:         "Mary E. Hocks" <mhocks@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      IRC help

As I've never participated in an IRC, could someone please explain *in detail*
how and where to log on and what sorts of commands I'll need to use .  Thanks
much.

Mary Hocks
mhocks@uiuc.edu
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:08:00 EST
From:         BECKY RICKLY <00RJRICKLY@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Moderated IRC Session

Tuesday night's IRC session (9:00 cdt) will be centered around a topic
that affects us all:  the use of technology in the teaching of writing.
Cindy Selfe and Gail Hawisher, in their article "The Rhetoric of Tech-
nology and the Electronic Writing Class" (CCC 42, Feb. 1991), suggest
that writing instructors who use computers in their classrooms
are guilty of "uncritical enthusiasm."  Further, ". . .electronic
technology, unless considered carefully and used critically, can
and will support. . . negative pedagogical approaches. . ." (56).

The authors suggest that we start to "identify ways in which technology
can fail us" socially, politically, and educationally.

In Tuesday night's session we will discuss how, more than a year after
the article's publication, we have (or haven't) begun to think
critically about the use of technology in the writing class.

Questions to think about include:

        --Has technology shaped strategies for working with students,
        or the other way around?

        --Is the computer environment truly more egalitarian, or just
        more easily policed?

        --Does the computer pre-empt valuable ftf dialogue between
        students and teachers?

        --Is peer teaching and collaboration really more common in
        computer labs?

        --Is the kind of writing done in computer labs valuable?

        --Are computer labs really more student-centered?  How?

Looking forward to seeing you all (virtually) Tuesday night!

Becky Rickly
00rjrickly@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:07:31 -0600
From:         RONRON@USU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Moderated IRC?

David -- I'd be glad to send several cats to your ark.  Alternately,
you could send the rain here.  By the way, muchly enjoyed meeting you
in person at Breckenridge.  I hadn't thought about it, but the face
adds a significant dimension to interchange, one that I don't find m
missing when I read print, but that I do miss in E-Mail.  Ron Shook
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:34:32 CST
From:         Tim Bryant <C09615TI@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Writing pedagogy

The department I work for at Washington University is trying to set up a
writing pedagogy  program   for faculty centered on the use of computers
and multi-media in the teaching of writing, including creative, research, and
undergraduate class papers.  I am interested in gathering information about
any programs you have used  or heard of that could be of use to  professors
who wish to incorporate computers into their teaching.
Thanks.
Tim Bryant <c09615ti@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
Washington University
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From:         Allene Cooper <IFCAC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Communication Model?

 *** Reply to note of 07/21/92 16:48
 Welcome, Mandy.  I'd like to hear about your job.  How is the lab used
 to teach business writing specifically?
 Bob B.- Yes, I'm afraid, now that you mention it, that memorizing a
 model might allow for rote-writing by some students.  What I hope for
 is that students would use a model like Burke's as a heuristic.  Hmm, now-
 one might say while composing- does this sentence really contribute
 to my "purpose"?  Have I considered how my choice of "act and "agency"
 might affect my audience?  Have I really attempted to"identify"with
 my audience or help them identify with me?
 Jim- I'm really enjoying your explanations of the Belgians.  I've found
 a copy of the Realm of Rhetoric and hope to find time to read into it
 tomorrow.  But I'm almost positive based on your contributions to the
 discussion that my business students would balk at the abstractness
 of the notions you discuss.  Can you give me some specific examples
 of how I might use Perelman with my students?  Is there something
 in between your theoretical generalizations and the rote-writing
 that Bob sees a danger in an all-purpose model?

 -- Allene Cooper
 Dept. of Business Administration            (602) 965-3231
 Ass't Director, Writing Across the Curriculum  (602)965-3097
 Arizona State Univ., Tempe, AZ 85287  BITNET: IFCAC@ASUACAD
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From:         00D0HENRIKSE@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Moderated IRC?

Becky, I meant to send this to you personally, but got a little too
quick with the "reply" instead of "send".  Your IRC topic sounded really
great.   How did it go?  I'd like to hear people's opinion of using
interactive electronics in the classroom after having done so for
several semesters.  I hope to use the networked lab this semester for
the first time and have a tendency to approach it with an "I've got the
solutions to the whole world" attitude.  I'm one of those who need
tempering through others' advice.

It rains in the South too.  Is there a dry spot left in the USA?

Donna Henriksen  00d0henrikse@bsubitnet
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From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Re: RE: Any Mark Leyner fans around? (6) (4)

Date:          Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:41:34 EDT
From:          BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
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Reply-to:      BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar
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Thanks Bob Connors for the suggested reading _Time's Arrow_ by Martin Amis. I
will look for it on my next book-buying outing.  Mark Leyner's new
(forthcoming?) book is titled _Steroids Made My Friend Jorge Kill His Speech
Therapist: An ABC After School Special_.  It was rumored to be headed for my
local haunt's shelves some time last week.

I also wish to thank Martin Rosenberg for his response to my description of
Daniel Dennet's _Consciuosness Explained_ in which Martin recommended I look
for Humberto Maturana.  I've just completed _Tree of Knowledge_ (co-authored
with Francisco Varela) and found it very useful.  It made parts of the Dennet
book much easier to understand although Denet does not reference Maturana who
preceded his latest by five years.  I recommend _Tree of Knowledge_ to Allene
Cooper who's currently searching for models of communication.  Warning:
Maturana and Varela seem very at home with systems science approaches
(although to describe their ideas as mechanistic would be perverse).  The book
is something of a history of the Universe in about 200 pages culminating in a
description of the social creation of consciousness and ethics in the human
"linguistic system".

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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From:         Allene Cooper <IFCAC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Help with gender-neitral terminology

 *** Reply to note of 07/27/92 08:43
 At ASU Faculty Associates is the euphemism for parttime or adjunct teachers,
 but it might work if it doesn't have other connotations for your people.  We
 also have a category called Academic Professional which covers full time
 people with PhD doing anything other than 50%teaching/50%research.

 -- Allene Cooper
 Dept. of Business Administration            (602) 965-3231
 Ass't Director, Writing Across the Curriculum  (602)965-3097
 Arizona State Univ., Tempe, AZ 85287  BITNET: IFCAC@ASUACAD
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From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) NEWS and teaching (6)

Date:          Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:09:06 EDT
From:          BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:    <1992Jul24.070906.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
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Reply-to:      BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar
Organization:  Cratylus Educational Software

Welcome to TERRI CONONELOS <Terri.Cononelos@m.cc.utah.edu> who in
Message-id: <3CCE24186A009922@CC.UTAH.EDU> wrote of a teaching project with
NEWS.  I have just a few comments.

You're likely to get some feedback on this from the MBU readers of this Digest
material because many of them have done similar projects in the US.

You might add a bit to your history of the net to include Usenet.  I believe
all the news groups you mentioned in paragraph four are actually Usenet news
groups that "gateway" into Internet sites.

You may also be interested in the Usenet University which is now offering
"courses" via Usenet. I know the parent site for Usenet University (alt.uu.) is
in Finland, but I can't find the article describing it anywhere.  Perhaps one
of the kind souls at Andrew.CMU (Andrew system at Carnegie Melon) who
originally forwarded the alt.uu info to this Digest could fill you in.

Keep us posted on your progress.

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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From:         Cindy Selfe <cyselfe@MTU.EDU>
Subject:      Becky's suggestion

Megabuddies--

I was really intrigued by Becky's question about the tone of our current
"rhetoric of technology" and would love to see some of your discussion.
Becky,
here's a suggestion for you--why not collect the responses, editing
slightly for coherence and to eliminate redundancy, add an explanatory
introduction, and submit the discussion to Computers and Composition?  Paul
LeBlanc is including a sort of group interview/discussion in the upcoming
software issue in November (subscribe, you laggards--whoever you are!) and
a similar p[iece on our current rhetoric of technology might be really
neat?  You, of course, might want to facilitate the discussion--throwing
out salient and insightful questions evry now and again to make sure the
discussion is robust and informative!!

Cindy (whom, you might notice, has switched to the less objectionable
       "megabuddies" in light of the recent discussions linking her
discourse
       practices--god forbid--to Playboy!!!)

  Cynthia L. Selfe
  Humanities Department
  Michigan Technological University
  1400 Townsend Dr.
  Houghton, MI  49931

    Internet:  CYSELFE@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU
    Telephone: (906) 487-2447
    Fax:       906/487-3347
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Subject:      Re: Help with gender-neitral terminology
              27 Jul 1992 17:44:17 --500 from <jedlund@ATSS.CALSTATELA.EDU>

There is a program for the Mac called Speed Reader, if that is what you have in
 mind.g Center.  It tests the student's present level.  d goes
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:47:02 CDT
From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Welcome Mandy!

Hey, Megabuds, welcome Mandy Jervis as a new Megabunny.  Mandy teaches
Business Communication in our Writing Labs and has also been doing yeowaman
service as one of our two Head Monitors.

Bob Boston
Iowa State University
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