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From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      Tips, PC users

Hello Folks:

I have a tip for PC Pagemaker users but first a brief message:

   The latest PC Mag has a review of these new versions of
   DTP related programs for the pc:

      QUARKXPRESS for Windows, 3.1
      Fontographer for Windows, 3.5
      PhotoMagic for Windows, 1.0


Now, here is a quick tip that I got from the latest PC Magazine.
For those of you out there who do screen captures of their
Windows programs (for tutorials and the such) and realize that
the files can be quite large, here is a quick tip: Before doing
your capture, go into Setup and set the display to be VGA and
Monochrome. It turns out that there is a significant size
advantage for monochrome.  It is also true for going from SVGA
(800x600) or higher down to VGA (640x480).

      Size for 640x480, Monochrome  : 38K
      Size for 1280x1024, 24 Colors : 3840K.

Granted, I choose the far extremes -- but it demonstrates the
point. For more information regarding this, please see page 439
of the Dec. 8, 1992 edition of PC Magazine.

Geof



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Reply-To:     Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
From:         Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: TAN: Sys 7 and Fonts

System 7 is causing some funny stuff with fonts. I have spent some time sorting
out the differences between things.

The fonts that turn into extensions are the downloadable printer fonts. Other
fonts are screen fonts or TrueType fonts. You can have the fonts EITHER in a
suitcase OR in the System. That is, you cannot have identical fonts in the
suitcase AND System. Some fonts MUST be in the system...the junk the system
uses for its screen stuff (Geneva something), and the font(s) you choose to use
under Control Panels/views for your windows. All other fonts can be in
suitcases.

Most DTPers who want to control fonts are using ATM and Postscript, not
TrueType. TrueType can cause problems with Postscript as it overrides the
Postscript fonts.

Fran Holtsberry
Fran_Holtsberry@macgate.csuchico.edu

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To: Multiple recipients of list PAGEMAKR
From: Diana Osborne on Thu, Nov 19, 1992 8:58 AM
Subject: TAN: Sys 7 and Fonts

I have recently installed Sys 7.0 on a MacIIsi.  I am very
confused about what it is doing with the fonts.  At my day
job we use Suitcase and I know when we installed Sys 7 on my
IIcx at work there was something wierd about setting up the
folder for suitcase to find, but once it was set up dragging
fonts into that suitcase makes them automatically open on
startup, and avoids having to have all the fancy fonts
living in the system itself.  On the IIsi for some reason the
fonts have all become "System Extensions" rather than fonts;
they are not accessible and will not allow me to put them in
the system, saying they're not fonts, they're system extensions
and thus can't be put there.  On the other computer there (my
other job), a IIci, the fonts are set up using Suitcase, but
the folder they're in has a wierd icon, all the fonts in there
are "system extensions", and they are accessible.  Even if
there were few enough fonts to dump them in the system, it
now only recognizes them as system extensions.  Is this
something that was done with some utility program?  I need to
get the upstairs computer accessing all its fonts by next
production (of The Triangle Comic Review, if anyone's in-
terested- subscriptions are cheap!!), and I'm at a loss.
Most of the Norton and NOW utilities are installed, but
as far as I know there's nothing in there that is that
directly related to fonts, but maybe there is.  Thanks for
any info- respond directly to me if this is too tangential-
Diana Osborne, NC Rural Health Research Program
(OSBORNE@UNC.bitnet)
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From:         Gladys_We@SFU.CA
Subject:      HELP: accents

Here in Canada, we frequently need to use accents for French words.
However, the documentation that comes with software doesn't always tell us
how to do it. (Table of ASCII character codes don't help!)

So, that being the case, can anyone tell me how to do grave (`) & acute &
caret (^) & cedilla accents on PageMaker on Windows? (I do know how to do
it on the Mac; that's one area where the Mac is definitely more convenient
than the IBM!)

Thanks!
___________________________________________

Gladys We * (604) 291-5077 * Writing & Publishing Program * Simon Fraser
University
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Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Making a PC read a Mac file

Jim writes...

> In most cases you need more than just a utility program like DOS
> Mounter, Apple File Exchange, or Access PC and a Mac with a
> SuperDrive to move files between Mac and DOS machines.  Programs
> like the above simply allow your Mac to TRANSFER files to and
> from DOS 3.5" disks. If the file is in a format the Mac or DOS
> program can't read, the file needs to TRANSLATED into a format
> the receiving program can understand. Sometimes the programs
> involved have export and import filters that you can use to
> translate the file (i.e.  using the "Save As" and "Open"
> commands). If they don't, you have to use a third program such as
> an intemediate program that can import and export in formats both
> programs understand or use a specialized file translation program
> such as MacLink Plus/PC.

Fortunately this is changing as more and more applications become platform
independant.  Take for instance PageMaker, FreeHand, Illustrator these
packages can read the native file of their cross-platform counterparts with
no modification, Quark is attempting to do the same and PhotoStyler and
PhotoShop work equally well with the more common bitmap file formats.  Even
word processors have gotten into the act, Microsoft Word and Word
Perfect reads and writes with virtually no problems across DOS, Windows, Mac,
Sun, and even DEC.



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Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TAN: Aldus Freehand book wanted!

Victor,
Though I haven't read it, I've never had a bad book from Peach Pit Press. They
have one out called, Real World Freehand 3.

Hope this helps.

Bet you guys didn't know that the CFL may be coming to Portland.

Monte
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Subject: Mac ==> PC Conversion
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:06:00 GMT
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>One question about Mac to PC Conversions:
>
>Doesn't the Default Mac to MS-DOS translator in Apple File Exchange do the same
>thing -- when you turn off all the other translators? (That is, remove the data
>fork, etc., and do a direct binary translation of files rather than a Macbinary
>translation.)
>
>Monte

Yes. But you do need a Mac SuperDrive to use AFE. Since the questioner was
communicating with the IBM through a modem, I assume the Mac and IBM
machines were distant so a floppy transfer (aka Sneakernet) was
inconvenient.

Jeff Needleman  <needje@msen.com>
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From:         David Nordell <DAVID@ILNCRD.BITNET>
Subject:      Mac-ette

I am sending a UUENCODEd version of this file to the whole list. I have
not yet had an opportunity to try it, and therefore can not vouch for
its efficiency and freedom from bugs.
David Nordell
david@ilncrd.bitnet
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From:         OZB123@URIACC.URI.EDU
Subject:      Re: Mac ==> PC Conversion

i have transfered many files from the mac pagemaker to the pc pm4. the operatio
n is simple but i believe you must first transfer the file to msdos in a progra
m called works to works transporter. once it is transfered to msdos base you sh
ould be able to open it as you would a normal pm4 doc. also make sure when it i
s transfered that the ext. on the file is .pm4
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From: richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter)
Subject: Re: Mac ==> PC Conversion
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:56:41 GMT

To all who helped me to solve my problems in transferring PM4 files from 
a Mac to a PC:  I was finally able to open transferred PM4 files on the PC.   
Thanks are due to all those who offered suggestions and insights into the 
problem.  
 
For the benefit of others who may encounter the same difficulties, I 
list below what I learned:
 
1. PM4 files must be transferred from the Mac to the PC in strict binary 
   format, not in the Mac's Macbinary format.  If the file is transferred 
   in Macbinary format, PM4 on the PC will report "Cannot open file. This 
   format file cannot be opened by this application."  This is because 
   the Macbinary format preserves the Mac resource and data fork structure, 
   while the PC can only recognize the data fork.  
 
2. Early Mac communications programs, such as Red Ryder v10.4 do not 
   offer the strict binary format, only Macbinary. 
 
3. DECAP.EXE, a PC utility that supposedly removes the resource fork  
   of WP files, does not work with PM4 files.  When I tried to remove the 
   resource fork of a Macbinary file on the PC and then tried to open the 
   resulting file, PM4 reported "Cannot open file.  Internal error:
   Bad file position."
 
In conclusion....
 
To all those who insisted that opening Mac generated PM4 files is 
straight forward, it isn't, unless you knowingly or fortuituously 
transfer the file in the correct binary format. 
 
Conrad 

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Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Shareware Mac disk reader for PC

Kevin writes...

>    It might be interesting to note that a couple weeks ago on the Compuserve
> DTPForum.   A fully function shareware program called "mac-ette" will do just
> this.  It is real handy (easily splits resource/data forks, etc)  All menu
> driven and a real small .EXE file.   The best part is that it only costs $15
 or
> $20 dollars (can't remember which).  But it is cheap and reads 1.4 meg Mac
> floppies find--highly recommended.   If anyone is interested, I could probably
> steer you towards a BBS site (don't of any ftp) for the file, or even get the
> name/address of the author.

This sounds like a winner, I'd love to see it.  Can you tell us where on
CompuServe the file can be found, and of course, if you can load it to some
FTP site all the better.



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** Electronic Imaging Coordinator            AppleLink: jbone
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Reply-To:     Trer Ott <ott@PCMAIL.SCHEV.EDU>
From:         Trer Ott <ott@PCMAIL.SCHEV.EDU>
Subject:      SAS Graph => PageMaker 4.0

Sorry for the dual posting, but I was told that I might have better luck
getting a solution on this list.  (This was posted yesterday on SAS-L).

I'm running SAS 6.07.01 on an IBM RS/6000 using AIX version 3.1.

I need to write a graph to a file on the Unix system, FTP the file to the
local MS-DOS operating system, then bring the graphs into Aldus Pagemaker
4.0.

I know how to write a file and get it to DOS, but I have no idea how to get
the graph into Pagemaker.

I spoke with SAS Institute and they suggested using HP7470 or HP7475 device
drivers (HP graphics plotters), but I can't seem to tell Pagemaker how to
handle the graphics.  Pagemaker expects a .PCX, .TIF file or a few other
filetypes which SAS doesn't have drivers for.  I have zero experience with
Pagemaker and the Pagemaker manuals are not a lot of help.

I have tried encapsulated postscript, but all I got was a big grey box with
Time: and a few other things written in the corner.

If anyone out there has had experience bringing SAS graphics into a Pagemaker
document, please let me know how you did it.  I'd rather not get out the
scissors and scotch tape, if I don't have to!

I am not a member of this list so please send replies directly to me at
ott@pcmail.schev.edu.



Trer Ott
Assistant Research Coordinator
State Council of Higher Education for Virginia
(804) 225-2630
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From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: PC's can read Mac disks

Cindy writes...

> For $40 you avoid all the crap you just went thru.....  Call Dayna at (801)
> 531-0203 for info on DOS Mounter.  Cause the Mac is smarter than the PC , you
> put Dos mounter on the mac and it can then read both mac and pc disks.

I must admitt I never thought I would come down on the side of the PC, but
just to set the record straight here, Cindy.  The PC has had solutions that
could read the Mac floppy for some time now (i.e. - Central Point's Copy II
PC option board is bundled with a couple of very simple mdir and mcopy tools
that allows you to read and write Mac 800K and 1.4M floppies in the PC's High
Density drive.  This solution does require the add-in board, so I suppose
this smacks of your "dumb PC" comment).  However, Peripheral Land Inc.
introduced a cheaper, all software version a few months ago.  It's called MAC-
to-DOS (FeeCee programmers were never as "alliterate" as Mac coders), and
runs about $70 on the street.  I've used both and they work fine, provided
you're moving files from/to like applications (or text files).

Finally, for those who think PCs have no place, try running Freedom of Press
on a Quadra 950 and on a 486-66 and tell me which you prefer.  Raw horsepower
still favors the PC.  Oops, shouldn't have made that comment, now the LIST is
in response deluge trouble for the next few days.  Make sure you append that
TAN: gang! :)



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Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TAN: Aldus Freehand book wanted!

Ooops, Sorry Victor,
I meant to say that you can order the book direct from PeachPit Press. Here's
their address:

Peachpit Press
2414 Sixth St
Berkeley, CA 94710

Phone: 1-800-283-9444
FAX: 413-524-9775

Hopes this helps!

Monte
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Reply-To:     Diana Osborne <OSBORNE@UNC.BITNET>
From:         Diana Osborne <OSBORNE@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      TAN: Sys 7 and Fonts

I have recently installed Sys 7.0 on a MacIIsi.  I am very
confused about what it is doing with the fonts.  At my day
job we use Suitcase and I know when we installed Sys 7 on my
IIcx at work there was something wierd about setting up the
folder for suitcase to find, but once it was set up dragging
fonts into that suitcase makes them automatically open on
startup, and avoids having to have all the fancy fonts
living in the system itself.  On the IIsi for some reason the
fonts have all become "System Extensions" rather than fonts;
they are not accessible and will not allow me to put them in
the system, saying they're not fonts, they're system extensions
and thus can't be put there.  On the other computer there (my
other job), a IIci, the fonts are set up using Suitcase, but
the folder they're in has a wierd icon, all the fonts in there
are "system extensions", and they are accessible.  Even if
there were few enough fonts to dump them in the system, it
now only recognizes them as system extensions.  Is this
something that was done with some utility program?  I need to
get the upstairs computer accessing all its fonts by next
production (of The Triangle Comic Review, if anyone's in-
terested- subscriptions are cheap!!), and I'm at a loss.
Most of the Norton and NOW utilities are installed, but
as far as I know there's nothing in there that is that
directly related to fonts, but maybe there is.  Thanks for
any info- respond directly to me if this is too tangential-
Diana Osborne, NC Rural Health Research Program
(OSBORNE@UNC.bitnet)
From: tims@bvc.edu
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Subject: LaserJet PPD files?
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:56:41 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

We just obtained the new Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 4M for use with our Macs. 
Does anyone know of the availability of a PPD file for this printer? Any 
help would be wonderful!

Thanks tons,

TIMS
From: IO20816@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Kevin Foss)
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Subject: Re: TAN: PC's can read Mac disks
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:40:24 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921117121709.384@dopig.uab.edu>, Jeff Bone
<JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU> says:
>
>Cindy writes...
>
>> For $40 you avoid all the crap you just went thru.....  Call Dayna at (801)
>> 531-0203 for info on DOS Mounter.  Cause the Mac is smarter than the PC ,
>you
>> put Dos mounter on the mac and it can then read both mac and pc disks.
>
>I must admitt I never thought I would come down on the side of the PC, but
>this smacks of your "dumb PC" comment).  However, Peripheral Land Inc.
>introduced a cheaper, all software version a few months ago.  It's called MAC-
>to-DOS (FeeCee programmers were never as "alliterate" as Mac coders), and
>runs about $70 on the street.  I've used both and they work fine, provided
>you're moving files from/to like applications (or text files).
>
   It might be interesting to note that a couple weeks ago on the Compuserve
DTPForum.   A fully function shareware program called "mac-ette" will do just
this.  It is real handy (easily splits resource/data forks, etc)  All menu
driven and a real small .EXE file.   The best part is that it only costs $15 or
$20 dollars (can't remember which).  But it is cheap and reads 1.4 meg Mac
floppies find--highly recommended.   If anyone is interested, I could probably
steer you towards a BBS site (don't of any ftp) for the file, or even get the
name/address of the author.

Anyways this might be the most cost effective, and least work-involved method
of putting MAC Pagemaker files on a PC.  I haven't tried that specific
operation yet.

-Kevin

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Reply-To:     Laura Milera <DOCWOMAN@PACEVM.BITNET>
From:         Laura Milera <DOCWOMAN@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      TAN: DTP Events Calendar

Hi All:

The following calendar of events appeared in the current issue of DTP
Journal:

***November***
"Comdex", Nov. 16-20, Las Vegas, Nevada
"Electronic Photography & the Mac", Nov. 16-18, Rochester Inst. of Tech.,
  Rochester, NY
"The Mac Show", Nov. 19-20, Philadelphia Civic Center, Philadelphia, PA
"Quick Printers Trade Show", Nov. 20-21, Garden State Exhibit Center,
  Somerset, NJ

***December***
"GRAFIX and the Visual Communications Expo", Dec. 4-6, Jacob Javits Convention
  Center, New York, NY

***January***
"Macworld", Jan. 6-9 Moscone Hall, San Francisco, CA
"Electronic Printing Presses of the Future", Jan. 13-15, Sonesta Villa Resort,
  Orlando, FL
"Graphics of the Americas", Jan. 22-24, Miami Beach Convention Center, Miami,
  FL

***February***
"Graphics Plus '93", Feb. 19-21, Meadowlands Convention Center, Secaucus, NJ
"CONCEPTS", Feb. 24-27, Orange County Convention Center, Orlando, NJ
"Electronic Photography and the Mac", Feb. 24-26, Rochester Inst. of Tech.,
  Rochester, NY


-ALSO-

There are multiple listings in the Help Wanted section, in search of DTPers
on both a freelance and permanent basis.  Not sure of list protocol regarding
"Help Wanted" - if anyone feels its too off topic, please let me know privately
 - if I receive no such responses, I'll assume its OK, and post to the list
this afternoon.

Laura
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From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Birthday contest

Hi Renato!!

 Nope, I still haven't received the huapangos from Hector!!  I've lost his
 e-mail address, do you have it??  I wanted to let him know I haven't received
it yet.  If you want to send me a tape--that would be great!! My snail mail is:

                       Michelle May
                       1635 West Boston Blvd
                       Detroit, Michigan  48206


 Thanks!!!
 Michelle
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