From: 3040_3744@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: A little fact I want you to know (Son of Woman)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:37:42 EST

In article <text.7197@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca>, Wessiah (Son of Woman) writes:
> hbr6165@zeus.tamu.edu (harish) writes:
> 
>>	I have been reading the latest round of discussion (or flame
>>war as JM would like to call it..). I was also there the previous time
>>and was poking my nose once in a while but largely a silent reader..
>>	What I really don't understand is that the victory JM claims..
>>As far as I can see, I never had the opportunity to see a single
>>(specific..) posting by JM which could convincingly answer all Mr. Noor's
>>questions.. I do remember a guy (a learned scholar..) from MIT
>>(I forget his name.. I don't know why he is silent now..!) who
>>was pretty much replying to Noor and was backing up to what all he
>>said.. 
>>	Another intersting thing I happened to observe is that.. 
>>Noor had a long (rather long..)
>>article on Khatam (spelling..??) to which neither JM nor anybody 
>>replied it convincingly (or satisfactorily..) Inspite of that JM 
>>repeatedly claims victory and also claims to have won completely 
>>over Noor on that subject..
> 
>    In fact, JM challenged Noor to give reference to support his
> interpretation of the word. Noor just listed a whole lot of quotes of using
> the word and wrote HIS interpretation of the word after them. I replied to
> him and showed that his interpretation is not realistic as no one of those
> guys was the best among his pears. JM quoted the meaning of the word from
> dictionaries, Noor did not. I quoted the comment of a Companion of that
> verse, Noor did not answer. I quoted an authentic Hadith of the Prophet that
> there would be no prophet after him,

You are quoting things out of context that's all and delebrately trying to
deceive people on the net work. But it is not fair game. If you are honest and
fair thatn why you are hiding those Ahadiths and the verses of the Holy Quran
which clearly tells that there would be a prophet in the later days from the
Muslim Ummah. Read the first few verses of Surah Juma and the Hadith which give
the interprtation of "Akhareen-a-Minhum". It will make your mind very clear if
you are honest are truth seeker.

If you still have any problem let me know.   
 

> that there can't be any prophet after Muhammad. This Hadith is more 
> authentic than Hadiths about Mahdi which QDs refer to!

How do you know which Hadith is more authentic than the other. Only that fits
your interpretation is more authentic and others which goes against your views
are less authentic. Its shameful to disregard some Ahadiths just to suite your
needs. You should be very careful in saying those things.

 I believe that my replies to the QD arguments are complete, the
> only thing I am ready to do is to quote from my past articles replies to
> what they claim to be not answered while after refuting the grounds of
> Ghulam being a prophet, you do not need to keep refuting every stupid
> statement he had ever made. I also showed how their differences from Islam
> contradict faith.
> 
>>	There is no victory or defeat here..! It's just a discussion
>>and a way of finding the truth.. (Now I can see lot of people on 
>>both side of the fence pouncing on me asking me "What do you know..?
>>You better keep quiet..!)
> 
>    You are right some how. But when the truth is on your side, aren't you
> victorious?
The truth is not on your side its simple deception and you are dishonest with
your own self as well.

Munawar
 
> --Wes>