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From: gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Barrasso/Pens news
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:11:41 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Tom Barrasso signed a 5 year $6.5 million contract.  The contract will
reportedly make Barrasso the thrid highest paid goalie behind Patrick
Roy and Grant Fuhr.  The pens also announced the signing of free agent
Dave Tippett (terms were not disclosed.)  Finally, the Pens will annouce
Eddie Johnson as their new coach after the Pens and Whalers agree on
what part of the contract Hartford must pay (E.J. still has three years
left on his contract with the Whalers.)  Craig Patrick said in a
post-press conference interview that assistant coaches will run training
camp until a coach is named and that his deadline for hiring a coach is
opening day and not the first day of training camp.
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From: markp@ziff.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: The state of the Adams address
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:42:21 EDT
Organization: Ziff-Davis, Medford MA

As a Bruins fan, I have a couple of observations with all the recent
dealings by the Adams division:

Montreal:  A couple of great deals getting Damphousse and Bellows.  They
           gained a ton of offense, but lost some toughness.  Still great
           moves for them, though.  With all the cheapshot crybabys gone
           (Corson, Claude Lemieux, Richer, Svoboda, and Chelios), I may
           start to like this team..........nah, Roy is still there.
           Still a frontline defenseman away.  Desjardins or Schneider
           will have to really step up.

Buffalo:   Good move getting Hasek, basically for free, Ruutu was gone
           one way or another anyway.  Goaltending was their biggest
           problem, and it ain't no more.  As long as Hawerchuk and
           LaFontaine stay healthy, they'll be very tough.  Svoboda's
           numbers will improve noticably.  If they're all healthy in
           the playoffs (Hawerchuk, LaFontaine, Andreychuk, Mogilny,
           Audette) they could make a legitimate run at the cup.

Hartford:  Burke will help, and so will having Ottowa as a standings
           cushion.  Cullen is coming off surgery, and he and Verbeek
           could use some help up front.  Not a good team, but they
           really get pumped against the B's.  This team shouldn't
           see the playoffs for a while...

Quebec:    This is my new pet team.  I always find myself rooting for teams
           that have had problems and are finally on the verge of something
           good.  They just took a step up the Adams ladder ahead of Hartford
           with the Lindros deal.  This could be a GREAT team in 2 or 3 years.

Ottowa:    Don't know much about them other that Steve Weeks, but I'm glad
           we play them and Hartford 7 times each.

The actual point of this is to show that all the contending and pretending
teams have made some moves to better themselves in their weakest areas.  The
Bruins always seem to try and do it the cheap way, swapping players, signing
aged veterans, ect.  I've always heard that you need 5 world class players
to win the cup.  Moog, Bourque, Neely, and Oates are just that.  Ruzicka
could be that, and Juneau may become that.  Sinden has to pull off something
to give the B's a realistic shot at winning, instead of just contending
every year.  Contending is good, but let's give Bourque a championship before
its too late.  In my opinion, no one in the NHL deserves one more than he
does.

If Harry only had an Internet address.....

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: chrisq@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Quaranta)
Subject: Buffalo/New Jersey Trade Rumors
Summary: Andreychuk for Burke??
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:19:19 GMT

	Todays Boston Herald, (8-26), has a report on a trade rumor b/t Buffalo
and New Jersey.  It says that the two teams are close to trading Dave 
Andreychuk for Sean Burke.  Anyone have any comments, suggestions, or opinions?
I'm leaning toward New Jersey getting the better end of the deal, but my 
opinion usually doesn't mean much so let's hear it.....

-chris          




















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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: New Rules (A Sad Day for Hockey)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:06:47 GMT

mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:

>1) It's not clear to me that an obvious instigator will get only the
>instigator penalty.  I'll bet refs will throw in an extra 2 lots of times.

From what I've read and heard in the papers (as opposed to what I've
seen here on the net), the new instigating rule states that the instigator
will receive a game misconduct, in addition to the minor penalty.

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: david@eng.umd.edu (David Chi-Chung Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:18:46 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug27.160731.25176@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com writes:
>In article 714923824@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>>MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>
>>>-In WASHINGTON, the Bullets have had difficulty drawing fans during the last
>>>few seasons. Meanwhile, the Capitals have been contenders (if inconsistent)
>>>since the mid-1980s and have done well at the gate. Racism again? WASHINGTON
>>>POST once claimed that the Caps are the team for Washington's white population,
>>>they even urge their fans to wear white when attending their home games! All
>>>this in a city that's predominantly black (70%). Hockey takes this one.
>>
>>Racism, yeah, right. A) Hockey has a Canadian heritage and they are much
>>fewer blacks north of the border than here in the States. B) The "wear
>>white" thing might have something to do with one of the teams colors. Teams
>>in Vancouver and Winnipeg and other cities have white-clad fans who aren't
>>called racist. Besides, how many blacks play hockey anyways (esp. vs the NBA)
>
>Keep in mind that the Bullets are really refugees from Baltimore and that
>the DC area still hasn't taken them quite to heart as they do the Caps.

Doesn't explain the Orioles' success with DC fans.

>Bullets management, plus their talent pool during the 80s, had
>a lot to do with their lack of success.

Nononono.  Y'all are missing the REAL reason why people don't see
Bullets games.  It's not racism.  It's not management.  (Abe Pollin
owns both teams.)  It's because the Bullets have SUCKED for 
>>15 YEARS.<< 

Dave Lu
From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: LA Kings TV schedule
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:23:01 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Distribution: na
Organization: none

1992-93 Los Angeles Kings Schedule

TV:
---
80 of 84 regular season and 2 preseason games scheduled on TV.

 (PT)= Prime Ticket cable
 (5) = KTLA Channel 5

Radio:
------
All regular and preseason games broadcast on the Kings radio network, led
by the flagship station XTRA - 690am.

Preseason:
----------
September:
18 @ Vancouver
20   Pittsburgh @ Portland (PT)
23   Pittsburgh @ Tacoma
24   NY Rangers @ San Diego (PT)
26   NY Rangers @ Phoenix
27   San Jose @ Sacramento
30   Vancouver

October:
03   San Jose

Regular Season:
---------------
October:
06 @ Calgary (PT)
08   Detroit (PT)
10   Winnipeg (PT)
13   San Jose (PT)
15   Calgary (PT)
17   Boston (PT)
20 @ Calgary (5)
23 @ Winnipeg (PT)
24 @ Minnesota (5)
27 @ NY Islanders (PT)
29 @ Boston (PT)
31 @ Hartford (5)

November:
05   New Jersey (PT)
07   Buffalo (PT)
08 @ San Jose (no tv)
09 @ Winnipeg (PT)
12   Vancouver (PT)
14   Edmonton (PT)
16 @ Vancouver (PT)
17 @ San Jose (PT)
19   Chicago (PT)
21   Toronto (PT)
25 @ Edmonton (no tv)
27 @ Detroit (PT)
28 @ Toronto (PT)

December:
01 @ Chicago at Milwaulkee (no tv)
03   Pittsburgh (PT)
05   Hartford (PT)
08   Montreal at Phoenix (no tv)
10   Quebec (PT)
12   St Louis (PT)
15   Tampa Bay (PT)
18 @ Edmonton (5)
19 @ Calgary (PT)
22   Vancouver (PT)
26 @ San Jose (5)
29   Philadelphia (PT)
31 @ Vancouver (PT)

January:
02   Montreal (PT)
06   Tampa Bay (PT)
08 @ Winnipeg (5)
10 @ Chicago (5)
12 @ Ottawa (PT)
14 @ New Jersey (PT)
16   Winnipeg (PT)
19 @ Edmonton (PT)
21   Vancouver (PT)
23   NY Rangers (PT)
26   San Jose (PT)
28   Calgary (PT)
30   Chicago (PT)

February:
02 @ Quebec (PT)
03 @ Montreal (PT)
09   Edmonton (PT)
11   Detroit (PT)
13   Washington (PT)
15   Vancouver (PT)
17 @ Minnesota (PT)
18 @ Chicago (PT)
20 @ Washington (PT)
22 @ Tampa Bay (PT)
25 @ St Louis (PT)
27   Toronto (PT)

March:
02   Calgary (PT)
04   Ottawa (PT)
06   Edmonton (PT)
09 @ NY Rangers (PT)
11 @ Pittsburgh (PT)
13 @ Philadelphia (PT)
14 @ Buffalo (PT)
16   Winnipeg (PT)
18   NY Islanders (PT)
20   St Louis (PT)
24 @ Vancouver (5)
26 @ Edmonton (5)
28 @ Winnipeg (5)
29 @ Detroit (PT)
31 @ Toronto (PT)

April:
03   Minnesota (PT)
06   Calgary (PT)
08   San Jose (PT)
10 @ San Jose (PT)
13 @ Vancouver (PT)
15   Vancouver (PT)

Stan Willis
net contact: L.A. Kings

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From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: Them were the days
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:22:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Well, since it is cold today, I am kind of in the hockey mood.  I
have recently been buying single packs of Parkhurst cards
whenever I'm in a 7-11.  I noticed that the Redwings have a lot
of young good talent.  I remember the days when the Flames used
to be top dog (not too many years ago).  As much as I hope they
do well this year, I see a trend that really scares me.  Although
I think they will do better this year, the future does not look
all that great.  This thought hit me looking at all the new
talent on the Wings.  Really think they have a future....look out
for them...if not this year, soon enough.
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Eddie JOhnson-bulit Pens
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:57:31 GMT

In article <QecuxIW00WBMQ4Mega@andrew.cmu.edu> Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Eddie Johnson will make a great coach for the Pens.
>If anyone doubts Eddie JOhnson, consider:
>
>1. He Built the Pens.
>      He dratfted Lemieux (despite some unbelievable offers at the time)

Took a brilliant hockey mind to do that!  NOT!

>                  Recchi, Zalapski
>                  Cullen, Paek (an underrated defensemen)

Cullen and Zalapski really contributed to Pittsburgh Cup wins...
what they did do was get EJ fired in Hartford.

>      He traded for Kevin Stevens by giving up Anders Hakerson
>      He traded for Tom Barasso by giving up SImpson and Shannon

It was Bodger and Shannon, and it was Esposito that made this trade.
Johnston got fired for attempting to trade for Moog.

>      He traded for Paul Coffey by giving up virtually nothing

Craig Simpson is nothing?  Chris Joseph is still only 22 or 23.

>        
>2.  He took the PEns fairly far into the playoffs in 1980 and 1981
>despite having some terrible teams.  (before the good drafts)

A 3rd and 4th place finish and one playoff series win doesn't
exactly count as far.

Craig Patrick brought in Bob Johnson and Scotty Bowman, Ron Francis,
Ulf Samuelsson, Joey Mullen, Brian Trottier, Larry Murphy, Jaromir
Jagr, Gordie Roberts, and Rick Tocchet...methinks he deserves
most of the credit.  He brought in 2 good coaches and overhauled
a third of the team...

...but the price of winning is that he now has money troubles trying
to keep everyone happy.

Gerald
From: CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hockey Pool Info
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:23:22 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Hockey pool Nuts!

Time fast approching for preseason hockey camps and exibition
season, to hockey pool nuts like myself and others the most valuable
info are the stats and injury reports in preseason hockey. Here in
Montreal (am not habs fan) they only show montreal and Quebec games
in paper during preseason. This info helps in knowing who's playing
with who & who's on the power play. I'm looking to trade info such
as Habs & Nords stats or anyone else we find out about in aiding each
other in his or her hockey pool. If interested or just helpful plse
send me info and your mailing address, we can do this directly, or
as a group, my aim is to get 1 person from each NHL city and cover
all the teams this way hoping to get some idea as to who may make team.

The BIG "D"

(DENNIS)   Pray for the Wings to pick up Manson and the cup will come.


P.S.    Looking for a lot of help    THANKS!!
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Mo' money, mo' money
Keywords: Barrasso's contract
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:09:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.160221.18370@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <Bu09Ey.1Ix.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>>
>>According to a report on KDKA-TV, WPXI-TV and a published report in USA Today,
>>Barrasso has signed a 3 year deal worth 5.2 million.
>>

>For the record, Barrasso isn't worth that much money...

As much as I like Barrasso, I have to agree with this.  He has proven he can
play in the playoffs, but his regular season play is very inconsistent.

I'm suprised he was given this much.  When negotiations started, it was 
believed that he had asked for 3.9 million, and was willing to lower his 
price.  The initial reports had him signing the multi-year contract at 1.3
per year.  Which would be in line with his original demands.  The 3 year,
5.2 mil contract news just broke last night, and is definitely news to me.

Lori
From: matthew@wavefront.wti.com (Matthew Coohill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 3 New rules was 2 New Rules ???
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:06:24 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.


	I don't get it.

	Penalties for diving?  Why?  I know that it may not be the MANLY
  thing to do, but a penalty?  It just seems to me that you should not call
  anything if the dive was faked, unless the person diving obstructs play in
  some way by tripping someone, etc.  The real solution to diving seems to
  be through better officiating (whatever that may be).  It seems to me that
  the point of diving is to get the ref to pay attention to you.  If the ref
  isn't paying attention to you, you dive on the ice and hope that the ref
  says "okay, that's too much... penalty"(against the non-diver).  If refs
  aren't paying (can't pay) enough attention to the play then it doesn't matter
  what they can call since they have too much to handle as it is.  They're
  just going to make bad calls.  "Hmmm... is this getting to rough?"  DIVE
  "Guess so..."  PENALTY(non-diver)... is just as bad as "Hmmm... is this
  getting to rough?"  DIVE  "Hmmm... was he diving or not?  Heads or tails?"
  PENALTY(diver/non-diver).  It seems to me that either way the ref is just
  calling anything and missing everything that he can't see.

	Is there a cure?  Can we automate hockey with android refs?  Should
  the refs on ice be soley concerned with interfernce calls and have the rest
  of the judging (off-sides, etc.) occur via camera crew.  Or should you hire
  12 refs to man a camera on each player and make calls only on that player
  (that would be real fun if two players started fighting and each players'
  ref thought that the other player started the whole thing)?

	Huh?  Who cares?

	Not me... I guess.

	Why ask why?

  matt
From: markp@ziff.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Anyone got the NHL schedule in text??
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:48:36 EDT
Organization: Ziff-Davis, Medford MA

Hello,

Does anyone have a complete NHL schedule for the coming year in text
form?  Someone e-mailed me one version, but some dates are wrong and
its incomplete.  Anyone?????

Thanks in advance,

Mark			markp@zis.ziff.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey,rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Which Team is More Popular:NBA or NHL?!
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:22:45 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

In Chicago, doesn't the "I want to be like Mike" ad mean Mike Keenan?

Matt
"Da Hawks"?
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From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: Re: Random thoughts on the new rules
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:11:05 GMT

In article <oebYOcq00aPC9co1VF@cs.cmu.edu>, Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>> Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 27-Aug-92 Random thoughts on the
>> new .. Randy Coulman@cs.Usask.C (2137)
>
...
>
>> Helmets optional rule:
>
>Fine with me.  Play at your own risk.  Personally, I think you'd be crazy
>to not wear a helmet, but hey, it's your head.
>

Saw a good quote on this in the local paper today:

"If a player is dumb enough to play without a helmet, he probably doesn't
need one."

>
>--Tom

-- 
Randy A. Coulman                |       ARIES Laboratory
                                |       Department of Computational Science
coulman@cs.Usask.ca             |       University of Saskatchewan
                                |       Saskatoon, SK   S7N 0W0
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: ULFIE, an unappreciated artisan.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:23:12 GMT

am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:

>Give the Probert/Coffey thing a rest.  I've heard it all before.  Your
>machismo is showing.

>Mom.

Anna...just a thought, but maybe people will give the "Probert/Coffey
thing" a rest when you cease making inane comments about the Red Wing
All-Star. :-)

Your bias is showing!

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Tony 0 again (was Re: Eddie JOhnson-bulit Pens)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:33:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <QecuxIW00WBMQ4Mega@andrew.cmu.edu> Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>      He dratfted Lemieux (despite some unbelievable offers at the time)
>                  Recchi, Zalapski

Tony Esposito drafted Mark Recchi.

Lori
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: It's the refs...not the rules !
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:50:28 GMT

mcp@usday32.Dayton.NCR.COM (Mike Perkins) writes:


>	Does anyone out there actually beleive that the new rules
>	will actually make a difference, especially when the 
>	ones enforcing the rules are named Koharski, Stewart,
>	VanHellemond, et all...

The high-stick and especially the instigating penalty probably won't
be called very much although VanHellemond is the best ref in the game
(you're right about Koharski and Stewart though).

>	Of course they won't.  Look at the new high sticking rule.
>	Now a high stick is classified as above the waste instead
>	of above the shoulders..  They won't call that either unless
>	your Mario Lemieux.  

>	In theory, the changes are good for the game.  However,
>	I must admit that i do love to see a good fight now and
>	then, but in reality.....Until the referees change, the 
>	calls won't change either !

'Now and then' is the key. MOST fights are just clutching matches. There
are very few punches to non=padded areas in most fights. Although his 
last sentence remains infinitely correct.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:18:10 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ULFIE, an unappreciated artisan.


Richard Miyara writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.212730.11384@tamsun.tamu.edu>
>mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         ) writes:
> 
>> I don't know what you mean.  No one sees Ulf for what he really is -- 
>> a craftsmen of the ice.  I think it is only logical that a brilliant
>> ice-smith such as Ulf would use armour to protect himself from thugs like
>> Neely, et al, predators of the rink.  I consider the unsolicited and
>> undeserved cheap style of play Neely et al persecute him with eminently
>> comparable to the Vandals and Visigoths sacking the artwork of Rome. 
>> 
>> In fact, I would hope that the next coach is a better advocate for Ulf,
>> and arranges to find an enforcer to protect Ulf, much like Mario has
>> protection.  
> 
>I believe this belong in REC.HUMOR

  I thought it belonged in REC.SARCASM.  I can never resist jumping in
on a discussion about Ulf.   In all fairness to Ulf (NOT one of
my favorite players by any means) he played very well in the playoffs. 
He learned to stay out of the penalty box and concentrate on relatively
clean defense.  Perhaps if Bob Probert watched the games he will have
learned something and maybe his team will advance further next year. 
Discipline
often goes a long way. (Guess I can't resist ragging on Probert either.
It's one of my favorite pastimes.)

Mom.
From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: ESPN Followup
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:00:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Some details:

--25 regular season games (mostly on Fridays)
--up to 37 playoff games
--Full Stanley Cup Finals
--$80 million over 5 years (comprable to $50/3 year with Sports Channel
   parts of America)
--Provisions for future network TV coverage
--First game will be Oct. 6 (Tue.) - Phila. vs. Pitt. (Lindros vs. Lemieux)

Enjoy



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*  Mike Burger                    *  Television is not a priority of          *
*  mmb@lamar.colostate.edu        *  the National Hockey League.              *
*  University of Michigan - 1990  *  --Ex-NHL President John Ziegler          *
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