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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jumping
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:50:19 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <memo.604540@cix.compulink.co.uk>, bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk 
   (Bill Burgar) writes:
> 
> 
> Ben Goodwin writes:
>>Quick question on jumping:
>>
>> [whackity whack]
>>What types of exercises should I do to increase my vertical leap?
> IMHO, you would do well to look at what your arms are doing. The
> arms play a very important part in getting your centre of gravity
> moving upward before your feet leave the floor.
> 
A little side note on the role of the arms. A few years ago I watched
some show (on PBS I vaguely recall) about how the Olympics used to be
done (as in back when the Greeks et al. were first doing them).

I distinctly recall the section on the running long jump. Seems the
old long jump pits were 50 feet long (!). The world's record at one
time then was just outside the pit a few feet or so. Guy broke both
his legs doing, the show's narrator's related.

How was such a prodigious leap accomplished? They used to use hand 
weights (poundage I don't recall). Through careful timing, they
used these weights to assist their jump, and through more careful
timing they released weights at the point at which they became a
liability.

They had a couple of guys re-creating the events. They threw their
hands (with the weights) forward for the initial assist, then threw
the weights backwards (and releasing them) for one last thrust.

(My memory may be in error, but this is what I recall.)

I often tell students that its possible to get more than one "pump"
in their jump. Pity one can't use those hand weights for a really
world class jump.

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From: rschoen@mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:48:32 GMT
Reply-To: rschoen@mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI, Germany

In article <715302097snx@ietech.demon.co.uk>,
nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
|> 
|> A few months ago during some inner city troble, I saw a police
|> officer effectively disarm a six foot two machete wielding
|> 160 lb assailent using an English Police trunction.  I belive

A six foot two machete? Sounds rather like a halberd, doesn't it?  ;-)

|> these are somewhat smaller than American Police nightsticks.
|> I had to admire the move.  I hold dan grades in a number of
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> martial arts, including some weapon arts, but there was no way
|> I would have disarmed the attacker without causing major damage.
|> As it was he had a couple of very nasty bruises and a cracked
|> shin.
|> 
|> Sorry but using a gun against a machete seems a bit of an
|> overkill.

Not to me. You hold several dan grades, i.e. you are not an average
police officer but an experienced MAist, and you admit that you admire
the skill of the constable you mentioned. You would have disarmed the
attacker causing major damage, and a cracked shinbone is NOT major
damage to you. Sounds as if you would have applied some lethal things.
And that's what the Berkeley officer in question did.

BTW, this officer had (as I recall) a gun, a nightstick, mace, maybe
a torchlight and a radio. Assuming he is not an Indian god, he had
not more than two things in his hands. When being attacked suddenly,
he used one of these two things i.e. the gun, rather than frantically
fumbling around whereever his stick was attached on his body.

Reinhard

Disclaimer: This is not only my opinion, it is also the Absolute Truth.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: T'ai Chi Info...
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:48:32 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Aug28.174117.18714@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>a while ago, thorick chow (do you still read this newsgroup?) had a video
>tape on t'ai chi, which (i think) demonstrated the "push hands" exercise. 
>does anyone know if/how i could get see that tape?

Well, I talked with Thorick a couple weeks ago, and since he's often too
busy to keep up here, I'll answer for him as best I can.

The original purpose of this video came from a discussion in which
Stephen Northcutt proposed the idea of eliminating traditional stances
in martial arts (forgive me Stephen if I'm misrepresenting--did you ever
see the video?). Thorick responded by saying that you could not do this
in Taiji, since the stance is the root of the art, in terms of
neutralizing incoming energy and issuing energy (fa jing).

IMHO, he does a good job of explaining why this is so, even if the audio
quality is such that its hard to hear him! ;^) (no offense Thorick!)

It isn't a push hands demo at all. One thing he does show, is short
punch power, and he does so well. I think he has good fa jing. (by way
of disclaimer, he's good, I'm a speck, my skill will never approach
that) He also talks a bit about the idea of sticking, and the way that a
connection with the opponent is used in Taiji to either neutralize or
issue energy.

As to getting a copy...

I might have limited resources for making a copy. If Thorick is willing,
I'd be willing to do this for you, but I'm not really set up to handle a
massive number of requests. If there is renewed interest, and Thorick is
willing, we could arrange to send a tape around. But, I'd have to wait
for approval from him first. Drop me an e-line if you have any more
specific questions.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
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From: cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:54:48 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug26.213442.17133@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article <10420@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>He *was* head o' the secret police for several years, it just may be
>>possible that he's had some meaningful empty hand training. Ya just
>>never know...
>
>	I'll STILL kick his fuckin' ass.  Lemme AT `im...
>

What about those guys wearing the suits and sunglasses?

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Fencing
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:51:05 GMT

In article <71859@apple.Apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
>
>I wonder if you would care to comment, as a student both of fencing
>and of other martial arts, on how fencing experience interacts
>with other MA training.

My fencing augmented my TKD touch block by teaching me to use my wrist
more effectively.  My TKD practice meant that even though I really
don't do that much fencing, my hand skills carried over very nicely,
especially the TKD blocks, which are quite similar to foil positions.
I've never been very good at footwork, so I tend to stand my ground
and never retreat.  I'm aggressive enough to drive an opponent off
the strip.  There was one guy who wasn't very good but used constant
fleches to fluster his opponents.  The first time he tried this on
me, I stood my ground and he ran right into me!  He was a bit confused
and tried it again, giving me an opportunity to learn how to riposte
to a fleche.  

The other thing I like about fencing is that foil work and the lines
of engagement have helped me understand Wing chun and saber work has
helped me understand Chinese and Filipino circular blocks and
redirection of attacks.  

Just for the record, fencing and TKD also use very similar lunge
attacks (except in TKD you use a kick).  The fencing lunge has
given me a fast competition punch that is good for point fighting
(the fist leads and arrives faster, but it has very little power
behind it).  

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: JuJitsu and Karate - Is there a link ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:44:10 GMT
Reply-To: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: danzan.ebay.sun.com

In article 3502@bcstec.ca.boeing.com, robh@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rob Hindman) writes:

>(1) First question:   Are the "throws" in "standard" Karate kata
>                      (Pinan II, Pinan III, Pinan IV, Pinan V) of 
>                      Jujitsu origin ?  

IMO, No. It is not improbable that people who had nothing better to do 
than practice fighting would come up with ways of throwing independent
from others. Kano's original syllabus of throws was less than 20.
(Indeed, his original system included less than 50 formal techniques.)
However, there were other Jujutsu schools which had larger syllabus and
Kano recruited these masters so that his "system" could grow.

>(2) Second question:  

>(3) Third question:   Were any throwing art forms practiced on Okinawa ?
>                      I think there MUST have been.  The books don't 
>                      give a mention to it, however.

To my knowledge, no. Throwing techniques are primarily a Japanese Art-form.
(Indians and others have throws as well, but this ventures immediately into
wrestling.)

>(4) Fourth question:  Do you believe it?  If someone told you that there
>                      was a link between Karate and JuJitsu, based on 
>                      what you have seen and experieced, would you beleive it ?

The only link is that they share some common hand forms WRT locks and traps.
However, this commonality is not apparent until someone begins looking into
the applications of Karate.

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From: groome@oxmyx.lab (J. Andy Groome)
Subject: Re: Jumping
Reply-To: groome@oxmyx.lab
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:52:54 GMT

In article 181373INNquk@agate.berkeley.edu, hugo@batsparc.Berkeley.EDU ( Hugo Calendar ) writes:

[good info on jump training removed]

>My old instructor also told me about something you can do if you want
>to become really good at jumping.  This was to run A LOT; when you've
>reached an equilibrium, you switch running surfaces to something looser,
>like sand.  You keep this up until you're running on large light pebbles
>that you really sink into.  Sound like fun?  I've never tried it, but
>that's the lore.
>

Along the same lines, a good workout is to run in shallow water. (about knee deep)
The best place is at the beach at low tide.  Usually you can find a fairly level 
spot. I guess a lake, river, kiddie pool works too . . .

Andy


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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: WANTED TO BUY: Old Magazines
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:45:14 GMT

burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:

>Well folks, I've reached an impasse as far as sources for my
>dissertation.  I'm now interested in buying up old copies of martial
>arts magazines of all kinds, but especially old collections of Black
>Belt.  My main criteria is that all the pages (or most of them) be 
>there; I'm not worried about pristine condition, etc.  If somebody
>has a collection that is really old (1920s-1940s), I'll talk to
>the archivist at the Notre Dame Sports Collection, who has expressed
>an interest in building a martial arts collection.  Of course,
>donations of all kinds are welcome!


Hi Dakin,

I have a reasonable collection of BB, Karate Illustrated, Kick (Illustrated),
Trad TKD, and g*d knows what else. Before I married her, my wife had added
gratuitous captions to many of the photographs. The articles and pages are,
none the less intact (apart from some missing cover). Mine date from about
75. Once I build a list, I wouldn't mind donating them (UTS can pay postage),
but we should check for duplications. 

I suspect many of them have gone missing...

Tomasso.
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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Upcoming Martial Arts Movies
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:20:58 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute

Well, our Macho Martial Arts Supply Catalog just arrived, along with
its own version of the Hollywood Beat. Here is a list of upcoming/in
progress martial arts films. The info related is pretty much all that
the newsletter had to offer. Additons/corrections welcome.

- "Excessive Force", starring Thomas Ian Griffith, villain from "Karate 
  Kid III"

- Chuck Norris' "Sidekick" is nearly ready for release; two other movies
  appear to be in the works: "Cold to the Touch" and "Topkick"

- "Street Fight", with Jeff Speakman

- "Black Belt", with Don Wilson; Wilson is in a 'story' (the newsletter's
  word for it) called "Out For Blood"

- "Karate Cop", with David Carradine and Ron Marchii; they defend women
  and children in a post nuclear holocaust

- Gary Daniels will be in Hong Kong to work on a Jackie Chan film

- "Nemesis", with Oliver Gruner (who was in "Angel Town")

- "Surf Samurai", with Ernie Reyes Jr.; a comedy; rumor is that Leslie
  Nielsen ("Naked Gun") will have a major role; to be filmed in Bangkok

- "Angel of Fury", "Golden Angel" , "Rage of Honor" : future Cynthia
  Rothrock projects

- "Talons of the Eagle", with Billy Blanks (said to be the coach/tutor
  for the "Raven" tv show) and Jalah Merhi; filming just completed;
  filmed in Canada; also starring Pan Qingfu (of "Iron and Silk")


Richard Travsky
Division of Information Technology     RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: help with soft arts?
Date: 29 Aug 1992 20:24:14 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <16852AC1D.R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU writes:
>       I enjoy the soft arts more than the harder styles. As a matter
>of personal opinions, which style do the readers feel is the best soft
>style?

I don't know about best, but the softest is Kow-tse Po Tae Do.


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From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:08:02 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

James Meritt writes:
> I managed to do fairly well against someone on a
>military base boxing team with kicks.  I could score on him before he
>could close within arm reach.  If he got close I knew I was dead meat, but
>there was something about a foot zipping at his face that seemed to keep
>him back.

This has generally been my experience as well.  I used to work out
in a facility that also trained boxers and we would cross train.
When I got in trouble, my right knee would raise up, automagically
and they tended to back off.  The one or two who tried charging got
stuck with a cut kick and contented themselves forever more when they
saw the knee raise to back up and cry foul.  That said, I really
feel that if they just kept coming and took the kick, that they
would be the victor.

I guess it is all what you are used to, we TKDers are kinda scared
of their hands and they are kinda scared of our feet.  The tricky
thing is when you run into someone who is really good with both.

There is a fellow down here, I have posted about before, Joe Gouveia,
who is real interested in doing some damage in the senile tourney
divisions.  He basically has quit working out at the dojang and has
moved his training to the Stafford boxing club (home of Jason Waller).
It is amazing how frustrating a TKD person with powerful hand techniques
can be :-)  I had the "honor" of sparring him both for his pre-test and
test for second dan.  At the pre test, he wasn't following the "rules"
I was wearing full headgear (joon rhee style) and good thing too cause
he got through with three nice juicy uppercuts, my jaw was grinding for
days.
===================================================================
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking?
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:55:48 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <60035@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>Or Rabbit punches you after forcing you head down. Or (Mike Tyson's
>     I've often heard this term, but never knew what it meant. What the
>sam heck is a "rabbit" punch, anyway?

I believe this is a punch to the back of the head or a punch to the back
of the neck. Often used in a clinch. There was one fight in particular
during the olympics where this one fella kept rabbit punching this guy
everytime the clinched. It never scored (apparantly only a cross to the
head scored in those matches), but eventually the other guy started
returning the favor. Its got to be a nasty one...

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu

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From: gints@roadkill.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Subject: Re: Stretching Exercises
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:57:01 GMT

In article <MARY.92Sep1160455@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM
(Mary Malmros) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep1.185344.16925@odin.corp.sgi.com>
|> gints@roadkill.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis) writes:
|> 
|>    I purchased Thomas Kurz's Flexibility Training Method, advertised
|> in
|>    Black Belt with him side-splitting on two chairs, mounted by a
|> babe. 
|>    Basically, he combines a 5 minute cardiovascular run/jump rope
|> with
|>    dynamic stretches.  After months of silly static stretching, this
|> method
|>    gives me a superior stretch in 15 minutes, including the run.  He
|> also
|>    outlines workouts for isometric stretching - stretching and
|> contracting
|>    the same muscle to increase flexibility.  
|> 
|> You need to be careful with dynamic or ballistic stretching, however.
|> |> A lotta folks believe that it's pretty easy to injure yourself
|> with 
|> this kind of stretching if you do it improperly (e.g., without
|> warming
|> up FIRST).  Static stretching has a pretty low risk of injury, but 
stuf deleted

Kurz seems to do a reasonable job distinguishing dynamic from ballistic
stretching, in that the latter uses the momentum of an appendage to
stretch beyond your limits.  The dynamic workout uses several sets of
controlled motions progressing from a short range of motion to a large
range of
motion.  

The pre stretch warmup is joint rotations followed by a run. Purpose is
to get blood to muscles.  Wakes me up.  Kurz discourages static
stretching before any workout, even his dynamic stretches.

I had never known of the isometric stuff before.  Wow.  Seems to work
"most excellently."
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From: rhuynh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Richard Huynh)
Subject: Olympic results ?
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:35:06 GMT

Does anyone know the results for Tea Kwon Do at the Olympics ?
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:05:27 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Aug26.032637.4833@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpgrb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Graeme Bennett) writes:
>In article <BtJoE6.2ns@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.135638.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> jkinnunen@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:
>>>
>>>  I remember seeing Elvis in a music document film wearing also black belt,
>>In fact,  the King received an 8th
>>Dan before his death (because of competition for his patronage between
>>Parker and Kang Rhee, from what I've heard).
>>
>I've always been under the impression that Elvis was in fact a 4th dan
>in Tae kwon do. I can't remember the exact details but I'm sure I read
>this in Black Belt magazine a few years ago. I remember that they
>elevated him to honourary 8th dan when he died (although I *hate* it
>when they do stupid things like that ).

What makes you think he's dead? ;-)

Steve
From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: kundaline & sinanju
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:10:36 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <1992Aug26.154833.16568@PA.dec.com>, stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com 
   (Todd I. Stark) writes:

> I think it is generally conceded by most martial arts historians that the 
  theory
> about true single source (e.g. Africa, India, Greece) is a fallacy.  However, 
> it certainly is not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and there is a more
> metaphorical form of 'single source' theory based on cultural evolution
> that I think has some merit.  That the concepts derive from similar
> kinds of ideas and develop slightly differently in each culture.
>

One aspect of martial arts concepts whose origins would be interesting is
that of ki/chi/qi. This is a concept that appears in one form or another
in many cultures around the world (under such names as mana, pneuma,
"virtue" in the New Testament, baraka, wankan (sp?), and so on). I once
did a paper on this topic in an Anthropology class; the researching of
the paper was most interesting. (BTW, I no longer have the paper, sorry,
so don't bother asking me to post it :(   )

What can be noticed is that such concepts became very highly developed in
India (the various flavors of yoga). Their application to martial arts,
tho, would seem more evident in Chinese styles. 

If one were to rely soley on such broad generalizations, one could at least
restrict origin theories to Asia (India and/or China in particular). But 
even that doesn't really narrow it down much...

Richard Travsky
Division of Information Technology     RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
"Sherman, set the Way Back for 590 A.D., the place, The Shaolin Temple, China"
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