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From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Ticket for running stop sign
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:42:57 GMT
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1992Oct5.155340.29843@photon.com> jbn@photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
>I got a warning a couple of years ago for a rolling stop.  ...
>Had I been ticketed, I would have challenged the law itself in court.
>Since the basis of upholding a law as consitutional is that it derives
>a public benefit, 

sez who?

>                  I would have claimed that the rolling stop law provides
>no public benefit, since failure to yield laws, etc., are already in
>effect in case someone was coming the other way (it was about 11:00 p.m.).

>I also would have pointed out the negative side of such a law - the wear
>and tear on brakes, which is a safety hazard.  

If I were the judge, this one sentence alone would encourage me to convict.

>Joe Naiman


--
Alan Denney       aland@informix.com        {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

 "Out on the highway doing 98... radio's blastin', and he's tempting fate
  He swears he saw an angel in a black Corvette
  She was blowing him kisses through her cigarette         [Was (Not Was)]
  Boy's gone crazy;  it's not just a phase, he's one step over the line..."
From: lagrangj@unvax.union.edu (Joshua C. LaGrange)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Josh LaGrange
Summary: Purple VW camper for sale
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:42:14 GMT
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY

Hey, how are you.  My 1973 VW camper is for sale.  It has 6000 miles on the rebuilt engine, a Weber carb, new alternator, new exhaust, and is in good shape all around.  It was in Georgia for the first 18 1/2 years of its' life, so the body is in good shape.  I'd like to start at $2700, but I'll dicker.  I'll also consider a trade for a Beetle or Ghia.  Thanks - Josh.
                                       beep-beep
                                           
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: chrisb@wang.com (Chris Bennet)
Subject: Re: I need advice on '82 and '84 Porsche 928's
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 21:37:35 GMT

winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.203911.29061@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com
>(Bradford Kellogg) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> There are 3 things to remember about the Porsche 928:
>> 
>> 1. The maintenance cost is astronomical
>> 2. It costs an enormous amount to maintain
>> 3. You need much disposable income to maintain it
>> 
>> If you're in a mood to spend alot of money keeping a powerful exotic,
>> you might also consider a Maserati 228 or a Jaguar XJS. They have 
>> much more fanciful interiors than the 928, which (in a perverse sort 
>> of way) might better justify the cost of owning one (if there is any
>> justification). 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> BK

>1. True, if you take it to a dealer.
>2. True, if you take it to a dealer.
>3. True, if you take it to a dealer.

>You can save a lot of money by taking a 928 to a third-party mechanic.

>Why do people participating in this group have such negative attitudes
>towards cars like Porsches?

>Scott Winders
>winders@aux.support.apple.com

I'm afraid I have to agree with "BK". My "third party mechanic" charged
$52/hr which is less than the dealer and quite reasonable for this sort
of thing.  While BMW is touting their low maintence engine, Porsche's
Carrera 2 maintenance (scheduled!) is higher than Ferrarri's.  I spent
$4000 for maintenance and a set of tires in 10 months and sold it without
doing the 60K maintenace (>$1000!).  This is _typical_ for the 944 Turbo.
[I've had two and one of my friends had one.]  My friend and I both came
to the conclusion "They're fun when they run."

Having said that, I intend to get another someday.

 Chris
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Taurus engine racing
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >Any ideas, suggested tests, etc?   This is a potentially dangerous
  >situation, since it starts doing it sometimes in the middle of traffic,
  >and unpredictably.

As long as the Taurus has the computer managed engine, you ought to try
disconnecting the battery overnight, and reconnect it in the morning.  This
will trash the computer's memory, and force it to relearn idle conditions, etc.

Probably won't help in your case, sounds like an entire ECM problem, but
it's worth a try...

- Dave Bonds 
- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
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 . KingQWK 2.00 .6 # 145 . Crime wouldn't pay if the government ran it!
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: So you want to buy a HUMMER?!
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:59:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Oct15.133350.23@mimas.arc.ab.ca> erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp) writes:

   Well I was watching Arts & Entertainment last night (Oct. 14) and saw two
   ads for the HUMMER!!! They claim they are coming to a dealer near you and
   you can get more information by calling 1-800-REAL-4WD.

What's a Hummer?  Is this another American nickname, like "Bimmer"?
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Big or Small,was FWD or RWD: Which is better?
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:23:02 GMT

In article <13410@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
|> In article <Bvuvws.36p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Khan writes:
|> 
|> >All those in favor of making a solid foundation in basic physics a
|> >prerequisite for access to the rec.autos.* hierarchy, raise their hands
|> >and say "Aye!"
|> 
|> >What you're saying is complete gibberish.
|> 
|> And so, with a devastatingly precise reference to physical laws, delivered
|> with rapier-like wit, is my argument crushed.  The law of phyics invoked in
|> so doing is the law of "No-no."  And yet, in defiance of these laws, 
|> and despite all protestations, lightweight cars do get about in the snow.
|> Perhaps these Newtonian scofflaws, driving little cars where it is impossible 
|> for them to go, should be ticketed by the Physics Police.  When the Physics
|> Police, in their heavy cars, get bogged down in snow or mud, they can shoot
|> out the tires of the Corollas receding in the distance.	

Bravo!  ( the crowd rises )
Clap! clap! clap! clap! clap! 
Encore! Encore!
Clap! clap! clap! clap! clap!
(sounds of whistling - sorry, cann't spell it)
Clap! clap! clap! clap! clap!
What a performance!
Clap! clap! clap! cl........

Now where was I?  I got caught up in the hysteria.

Mark

(sorry, it's Friday)
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: LOAN RATES
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:05:57 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


I do not know how the auto LOAN rate market has changed since
AUGUST when I bought my car but here is the scoup from my
point of view...

I had a loan with AAA pre-approoved for $0 down, $10,000 financed for 
60 months at 8.5% APR

I took that information to GMAC and after taking into account
the First Time Buyer BULLSHIT I had two choices.....


Finance $9,600 with AA at 8.5 %
or
Finance $9,200 with GMAC at 10.9%
these who loans are effectively the same thing

the 8.5% loan turns out to be 196.96 a month * 60
the 10.9 % loan turns out to  199.57 a month * 60
			     -------
				2.61*60 = 156.60

SO the total difference was 156.60 extra to go with GMAC over 5 years
I went for it because I am a college student and the AAA loan was
with mom+pop cosigning....

but the GMAC loan was with my own name...
SO I paid an extra 156.60 for my car to have it in my own hame and have
it show up on my own credit report.....


MY POINT IS THIS:

Get a pre-approoved loan from a bank (CHEMICAL BANK IS AAA's lender)
take that to the dealer and they should be able to match or come real 
close...

SOme one will make some money off your loan....
the dealer would rather it be them then some one else..........

If you have sound credit this is probably even more so....

When I got my car I was originally offered 
READY FOR THIS::

IT IS SORT OF SHOCKING:!!!!!!!!!
 19.8%
I explained I had a loan for 8.5%
they came back with 12.9%
I said simply that I had made a deal for the car..
and I do not care where I borrow the money from 
If it will cost me more to get the car financing throuh you
I will go with the other bank.. If you are cheaper then I will go
with you..
They came back with 10.9% which when you account for the First TIME
BYER BULLSHIT is equivalent to 8.85% so I went with it....


WARNING IF ANYONE IS PAYING OVER 9% for a new car loan they are
being HAD..   MANY BANKS WILL CHARGE LESS SO DEALERS SHOULD 
get their interest rates more in line with the banking world
.......
jsut my .02
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Subject: Re: This Altima/Stanza - Infiniti J30 thing ain't gonna work....
Keywords: WhyWHYWHY??!
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.172859.22454@metter.fmpmis.metter.com>
virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) writes: 
>Many of you may already know that the Altima is basically the J30 downgraded
>(or the other way around,if ya wanna have at it that way)...

Really?  Where did you read that?  I am interested in reading the
article.  I have read two articles about the Altima and I don't
remember anybody mentioning the J30.  As far as I know, the J30 is
REAR WHEEL DRIVE and the Altima FRONT WHEEL DRIVE.  The engines are
different, too, from what I recall.




--
The opinions stated above are not necessarily my employer's.
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The MITRE Corporation  Bedford, MA 01730          rll@linus.UUCP
From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: VW's EuroVan
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:16:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5399
Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University

In article <1992Oct13.225741.15051@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Chang Shin) writes:
>Does anyone have info or seen Eurovan by VW?
>
>Is that a minivan or regular size??

I've seen it on the road and at last year's Seattle auto show.  It is
bigger than the Chrysler mini-van -- pretty much the same size as the
Vanagon.  Styling inside and out is similar to the Vanagon -- very
typical volkswagen... except of course that it is front wheel drive,
front engine, 5 cyl in line....  one might ask-- what took them so
long?

I heard that it starts in the under $17,000 price range, which will
make it quite competative -- something that the Vanagon was never
accused of -- with the increase cost of the Previa, etc. 17K is middle
of the pack!
-- 
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Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp    :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
Seattle University    : Phone   : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________
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From: adair@dbs.com (Owen Adair x3690 Atlanta)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,va.general
Subject: Re: Child Safety Seats
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:29:10 GMT
Organization: D&B Software, Inc.

Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
: 
: Here is a press release from the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles.
:  Virginia Traffic Fatalities Down for 3rd Quarter; Infant/Child
: Fatalities Alarmingly Up

<<lots o stuff deleted>>

A week ago a child safety seat kept my 17 month old from becoming a statistic.
My wife, driving a Chev Lumina APV, crashed broadside into a car that ran a
stop sign at about 45mph.  The van then struck a telephone pole.  The van
is a mess, but my whole family walked away.  The other car had two children
that were not in seatbelts and spent several days in intensive care. They were
ejected from the vehicle.

Our thanks for a happy ending (for our family) go to child restraints, a well
designed van from Chevrolet, and God.

We have been nearly fanatical about safety belts, and it paid off. I suggest
you do the same.

Grateful from Atlanta,
Owen

-- 
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Owen Adair              adair@dbs.com   Bang path below is screwy, but works.
D&B Software            ...backbone!uupsi3!atldbs!adair@atldbs.UUCP  
(404) 239-3690 voice  Software is not foolproof, because fools are so ingenious.
From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mustang GT vs. Mustang LX 5.0
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:14:41 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer


|> Not all '88s have the mass air flow sensors, at least mine doesn't. I thought
|> it was introduced on the '89s. Can someone confirm this?
|> 
|> Evan
|> 

  MAF was introduced in Ca. in 1988 and the rest of the US in 1989.

-- 
+-----------------------------+	    Andrew Lynch, atl@kpc.com
|    Vote or Shut Up!	      |	Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Santa Clara, Ca.
|                             |	          (408)748-6345
+-----------------------------+	  Disclaimer: This is me, not them.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: 891078p@ace.acadiau.ca (Trevor Perkins)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.010647.3873@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) writes:

>(LOTSA more CRAP DELETED)
>
>Even better winter cars! They took longer to rust away with the salt because
>there was more car:=\ IMHO the best is to have a really heavy car on the white
>stuff. I used to drive Monte Carlos before they got small and toylike.
>
>For me, the ultimate winter beater is a '67 Cadillac Fleetwood stretch
>limo or an old hearse. Too bad you can't buy them for private use
>anymore. Another solution is to move to Vancouver Island, like I did.
>Almost no snow here, and no salt either. I saw an immaculate '66 buick
>today and talked to the original owner. "It's my car, it never broke,
>guess I'll keep it another 26 years," he said.
>

>>  |                 " Have You Driven A FORD Lately ! "                 |
>
>I've seen the new FORD LATELY advertised for a number of years. Why have't
>I seen any of them on the road?
 
That's easy !!  They make it home at night !!!  :o)

>>  |   " This is FORD country ...                                        |
>>  |               on a quiet night, you can hear a Chevy rust !! "      |
>
>As long as your ford is really far away. Found On Road Dead, Fix Or Repair
>Daily, Fired Out Road Devil, etc...

    GM -->  Get Mechanic, General Maintenance, etc...
>
>Andy.
>
>I'd still rather push a Pontiac than ride in a Mercury!! 
>
          Coincedentally(sp.) , so would I.  IMHO Mercury is a very poor 
Ford imitator.  Ford doesn't wan't to have one of it's sub-companies 
producing as-good-as, or better, cars than the parent company.

Trevor
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  |                 " Have You Driven A FORD Lately ! "                 |
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  |   C. Trevor Perkins                       891078p@ace.acadiau.ca.   |
  |         Acadia University                                           |
  |            Wolfville, Nova Scotia    CANADA                         |
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  |   " This is FORD country ...                                        |
  |               on a quiet night, you can hear a Chevy rust !! "      |
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From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why not a Taurus SHO Wagon??
Date: 8 Oct 1992 12:54:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

In article 1343@morrow.stanford.edu, ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.012318.26186@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>In article <1asf6lINNgq7@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>[SHO wagon proposal]
>>>My feeling on it is that it would hurt the overall SHO image. For the same
>>>reasons you don't take the Mustang 5.0 platform and make a wagon out of it,
>>>or put the M5 motor in the 5 series wagon, you don't want to spread the
>>>SHO name in cars whose purposes generally stray from the hi-po sedan
>>>market.
>>
>>audi 200 quattro station wagon.
>
>Not to mention the Volvo TURBO wagons...

Keep on going, I'll tell you when you've found a valid comparison. :-)


John
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Ferrari goes active with Larini
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:16:18 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

This isn't exactly new news, having read it in last week's AutoSport, but
since I haven't seen it posted yet, here goes.

Larini will replace Capelli for the final two races of the season.  Ferrari
hopes to debut their active suspension with Larini.  Alesi will continue to
be passive :-).

Dan Jones
From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: %Brakes - technology - F1
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:43:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utarlg.14OCT199217434199
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes...
> 
>--  
>Also ,to correct someone's point : carbon fibre brakes do not just provide the
>same stopping power for a lighter weight than steel ,but they dramatically
>improve stopping power for any weight ....
> 
> 
>Stephen Quigg

One more time, it is carbon-carbon which is used for the brakes, carbon
fiber would pewter out at around 300 Degrees Fahrenheit. I don't know
which publication printed the nonsense about carbon brakes offering
superior stopping power that you must be reading, but, I'm tired of
hearing this. One can build a large enough iron rotor that will offer
equivalent stopping power, but, a) the diameter is too large to fit
inside the rim and b) it weighs much more than the carbon equivalent
and hence effects suspension travel. The major factor in the decreased
braking distances of F1 cars are the tires. Why do you think FISA
decreased the tire size ? Smaller tire means greater braking distances
which means more intersting races which means F1 becomes a more
attractive product to market. 

George
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Portugal & Berger
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:35:22 +0000

To all those who basically accused me of being a dickhead for my
opinion that Berger was not entirely innocent in the Patrese
incident, let me pose a few questions.

1/. If Berger wanted to play safe, knowing where Patrese was, why
didn't he hold the inside line on the corner and slow down during the
corner and allow Patrese to get past him at the exit. Why did he hold
the full racing line right up to the time he moved across the track
and just before he braked?

2/. For those of you who saw the way Steve Soper managed to drive
right across the grass in order to T-bone John Cleland in the British
Touring car championship, who will claim that team-mates do not take
out those that threaten their partners, especially when there are
large commercial interests riding on the results?

I made a prediction that Ayrton Senna would live to rgeret his
driving tactics this season: I thought he would get pushed off the
track - probably by Schumacher. In fact he got pushed out of Williams
by Prost :-)

Don't be so ***ing naive. Drivers are employed to win, and that means
the other guy gets to lose. And like most 'sportsmen' some are
prepared to go further than others to win. I don't like it, but I am
damned sure it is happening in motor sport right now.  Which is
cheaper - build a championship winning F1 car or bribe a mechanic on
the other team?

95% of accidents are racing accidents. 95% of mechanical failure is
car abuse or bad manufacture or bad design or bad luck. But I would
say that the other 5% is more or less deliberate.


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
From: white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White)
Subject: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Originator: white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:52:32 GMT

First I would like to thank all those who responded.  I would like to ask
one more question.  My friends new argument, is that one usually gets worse
gas mileage on heavier treaded tires (snow, M & S etc.) then on summer
tires.  Thus, he argues this proves that the reason racers use slicks is for
mileage, but we use treaded for better traction...
Brad
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar stuff
Date: 10 Oct 1992 15:38:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) says:

>
>The latest AutoWeek had some interesting (disclaimer:  AutoWeek has been known 
>to be horrendously wrong) news:
>
>Their article on the Nazareth race implies to me that the Galmer Al ran was 
>not the G93, but just a different G92.  The article says Al's car was a "new" 
>Galmer chassis which was "actually a monocoque built via a different process 
>than the previous three tubs, rather than a new design."  This doesn't sound
>like the '93-spec car Galles had promised earlier.  The rationale for using it 
>rather than going with the tried-and-true was that they knew Al would probably 
>get a top-three finish with the "old" G92, but what he needed was a win if he 
>hoped to stay atop the points.  So they gambled.
>
>In their results they also have Vitolo and Prappas reversed from what I had,
>with Vitolo finishing 20th and Prappas 19th.
>
>AW says:
>
>Rahal will be using the Truesports TR-92 chassis next year, with designer Don 
>Halliday creating a modified design to take advantage of the Chevrolet-Ilmor C.
>
>While Buick is withdrawing from IndyCar racing, Jim Wright and Lee Brayton's
>Buick shop will continue to supply and service the Buick V6's.
>
>An IndyCar team [Ganassi?] has offered Ayrton Senna a deal matching Mansell's
>with Newman/Haas.  And of course there's also a rumor that an F1 team is
>trying to buy out Mansell's contract.
>
>Stefan Johansson will run with Tony Bettenhausen's AMAX team in '93, and,
>get this!, they'll have 1993 Penske chassis with Ilmor C engines.
>
>Derek Warwick, who tested with Hall/VDS and was considered a possible 
>replacement for John Andretti in '93, will race for the Footwork F1 team in
>'93.
>
>


But don't you kinda get the feeling that the person who compiles the
LRN section of autoweek reads r.a.s?  Many of the things I read here
first, will be there, sometimes almost word for word a week later.