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From: brown@cs.rochester.edu (Chris Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ranges/Clubs nr Rochester
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:10 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Department

I'm interested in info or opinions on gun clubs and/or ranges
around Rochester NY.   If it makes a difference I'm just getting
started, and shotgun is what I'm interested in.
Thanks --
Chris Brown
brown@cs.rochester.edu
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From: toddc@spot.tv.tek.com (Todd Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Address for Browning??
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:59:18 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.  Beaverton, Oregon

I recently purchased a Browning Hi-Power, but the shop didn't have
tha manual for it.  Would someone please post or email me the
address or phone number for Browning??

                                     Thanks,

                                          Todd

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From: emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: pre-1964's?  Why are they special?
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:23:25 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Dec10.204148.14404@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> tjohnson@xenon.stanford.edu (Ted C. Johnson) writes:
#What's so special about pre-1964 Winchester bolt-action rifles?
#Every now and then someone mentions (in a gun magazine) about
#how great their pre-'64 Winchester rifle is, or an advertisement will
#say that their rifle is as good as a pre-64 Winchester.
#
#If they were so great in '64, why aren't they good now?
#Did they break the mold in '64?
#Did Mrs. Winchester stop blessing the rifles in '64?
#Did they change the design of the rifle (despite the fact that the pre-64
#design is more popular)?

Yep. The pre-64 Model 70 got too expensive. It required a lot of intricate
machine work. So sales were slacking off because few people could afford
them. Actually, being cheap, most shooters were switching to Remington.
So Winchester redesigned the rifle for simpler and cheaper manufacturing.
The post-64 Model 70 actually has some real technical improvements over
the older version, but that didn't stop people lamenting for the old
ones. The bolt action *was* smoother acting than the later version, but
like with old Ruger Blackhawks, people valued nostalga and feel above
functionality.

Gary
From: kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:33:33 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <9212170559.AA02978@hpfcso.HP.COM> post@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (David Post) writes:
#If you are fearing for your life ( and you have forgotten where you put the
#keys :-) and you must fire through the windshield from inside, please
#remember to aim a few inches low ( yes, low ) on the center of mass.
#
#Four inches is about right for a violent criminal a foot or two in front of
#your hood.  

Could you please explain why aiming a few inches low? Where does the 
"four inches" come from. Thanks.

#Always fire at least twice because your groups will be terrible.  :-)  

I would fire, using C syntax, sizeof(magzine)+1 rounds. :-)

On a related question, do you guys think you would have sufficient
time to react? The car jackers, that I've heard of, often use a brick
to smash your windshield and then point a gun at you before you have
the time to react to the smash. The whole thing can occur within
two seconds after you see the car jacker; e.q., someone jumped out
a minivan in front of you, smashed your windshield, and pointed a gun
at you. So what's the solution?

David
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From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:23:41 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:

#On a related question, do you guys think you would have sufficient
#time to react? The car jackers, that I've heard of, often use a brick
#to smash your windshield and then point a gun at you before you have
#the time to react to the smash. The whole thing can occur within
#two seconds after you see the car jacker; e.q., someone jumped out
#a minivan in front of you, smashed your windshield, and pointed a gun
#at you. So what's the solution?
#David


  The same tactics that are taught to motorcyclists to avoid accidents, would
serve here to avoid becomming a victim. Mainly, one must constantly be alert.
Looking around and perceiving a threat *before* it becomes a threat.
  If you pull up to a dark corner and see a "slime-ball" eyeballing you, be
ready to do something if necessary. When pulling up to a car, leave some room 
between your car and his (to manuever around his car if need be). Avoid being
in the "wrong place at the wrong time". And of course, be armed in case you
are attacked. :)
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carbide Rifle Dies
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:22:44 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

In article <1992Dec10.124445.13007@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula) writes:

# ...The die body is normally steel, methinks, and usually has been plated
#with something (probably chrome or nickel) to prevent rusting.  I've never
#noticed appreciable rusting on any of my dies.

I own both Lee and RCBS dies; only my Lee dies have rusted, and some of
these have rusted quite severely on the outside. I suspect that the RCBS
dies are plated with some non-rusting metal, while the Lee dies are not.

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From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: "Frizzen" (Was Re: Match, Wheel, Flint Locks)
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:34:24 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Dec13.234101.25158@netcom.com> tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes:
#(Question for flintlock experts:  what do you call the steel thingie
#that the flint strikes?  I thought it was called a "frizzen", but you
#don't find this word in any English dictionary.)
# ...

  From that useful reference the "NRA Firearms Fact Book" - in the
Glossary we find:

Frizzen, upright steel plate in a flintlock which is hit by the
  flint, producing sparks that ingnite the priming.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Hungarian R61 (PPK clone)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:15:07 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I just got my Hungarian PPK clone, the R61.  The pistol is available
from Century International Arms and Southern Ohio Guns for about $129.00
plus FFL fees, etc.  

It is quite a nice little piece!  It has a blued steel slide on an alloy 
frame.  The double action trigger is a bit stiffer than the Walther PPKs
I have tried but firing single action, it has a nice light pull with a clean
break.  I haven't had a chance to give it a thorough field test yet (I wish it
would stop snowing!) but it appears mechanically sound.  It has a nice solid
feel with no rattles at all.   The only complaint I have is that the grip is 
just a little short; even with the magazine extension, my pinkie tends to 
hang off the end.  However, for its intended use as a light, defensive pocket
pistol, I think I prefer the smaller size.   All things considered, it appears
to be an excellent buy.  I will post a follow up if fails to perform in the 
field.  

Has anyone else had experiences with this weapon?  

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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:35:42 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes:
#know I would have had a chance when he let me go too).  So now I 
#own a Glock 10mm and a .357 magnum.  
...
#My question is, if one has to shoot inside a car (either at someone
#in your car, or through a windshield to get someone trying to get 
#into your car), how do you protect your ears (and those of passengers)
#from the blast noise?

#Or should one forget about the ears and just be happy to be alive
#(or pray the noise doesn't knock you out and cause you to run off
#the road and hit a tree)?

	You answered your own question.  You may become permanantly
deaf after you fire a gun inside a car, so you would only want to do 
it to save your life.

JD
From: se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Bad things to do to semiauto pistols
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:22:11 GMT

Excerpts from netnews.rec.guns: 10-Dec-92 Re: Bad things to do to sem..
by Jim Heath@fieldofdreams. 
# #       2) It is bad to pull the trigger and let the hammer strike on
# #          an empty (dry) gun.
# # 
#  
# There are a few guns which this is bad for.  .22s of course and I believe
# a few of the cheaper centerfires.  Bryco (sp?) for instance was concerned
# about sending the firing pin down the barrel if I remember correctly.
#  
# However, dry firing is often recommended a lot of places (gun mags, gun
# shops, etc.).

Although dry firing for practice is a good thing to do, it intuitively
seems that dry firing on an empty chambre CAN'T be good for the gun (and
may even be bad for it).  So the obvious solution seems to be to invest
in some spring loaded plastic dummies also known as snap-caps) and load
these when you dry-fire.  (empty brass will work too, but only for 4 or
5 shots until the primer pocket is bashed to hell)

-Seth
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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: If I was stranded on an island & could only have 1 gun
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:20:49 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <9212181709.aa29371@hobbes.sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes:
#ttc103@psuvm.psu.edu:
#   Ruger Mini-30 (7.62x39) in stainless steel and a case of Winchester
#   soft point ammo.
#
#Not a bad choice...but why bother with a semiauto gun?  Why bother with
#the increased complexity of a semi, when a bolt-action gun would be
#lighter, simpler, and probably more reliable?  
...
#Now, if *I* were stuck on an island...I'd get me a nice Gunsite Scout
#Rifle....

What is a 'Gunsite Scout'?

Me?  I'd go European and get a drilling ... Probably 12 ga, w/30-'06.
now, some drillings have three bbls ... so I'd add a third in 22 LR.

This presumes a deserted island ... In case of hostile habitation, 
make it a Vulcan and a Shipping Container of ammo ... ;-)

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: jeh@ohgua.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ruger's 'crime'
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:07 GMT

I'm curious. I've noticed several posts to rec.guns
advocating a boycott of Ruger. What did they do?

Thanks.

Jim Hurd  jeh@ohgua.att.com (402) 691-3299 

[MODERATOR:  Being reluctant to open this can of worms yet
again, I encourage that those folks who care about this issue
to send Jim the usual info off line.  Thanks ....]
From: larrya@natinst.com (Larry Anglin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:17:16 GMT
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX

I have not been stopped by a police office in over five years, but the last one
was memorable.  I had just filled up with gas and pulled on to the highway.  I 
was almost immediately pulled over for doing 61 in a 55.  Since my '83 F100 
pickup won't accelerate to 61 that quickly, I was absolutely positive that I
was not speeding and decided the officer must just be wantint to tell me
something (a broken tailight or something of that nature).  So as soon as he
pulled me over, I got out of the truck and walked back the his car to find
out what the problem was.  He started making all kinds of hand motions when
I got up to the window which I interpreted to mean that he wanted me to sit
on the passenger side.  When I went over to the passenger side, he got really
nervous and explained very explicitly that I should remain in my car until
the officer tells me to get out.  As I think back on it, I probably had a 
pretty good chance of getting shot given my current actions.  The moral is,
never assume you know what the officer wants.

On a very different occassion, I was on a country road in the middle of no 
where in my '67 Firebird travelling at a very high rate of speed when I meet
a state trooper.  It took some time for him to turn around and get to the
point where I had stopped and by the time he got there, I was out of the car,
leaning against the trunk.  We had a nice visit, but he gave me a ticket anyway.

Cheers,
Larry
From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Reloading for Rem 788
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:17:33 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

I'm considering buying a used Remington 788, which has rear locking lugs.
Does anybody know whether or not these were bad about stretching brass?
(Of _course_ I'd expect to reload for it!  :-)   Thanks!
From: hudson@ualr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:34:12 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1992Dec14.183537.4636@athena.cs.uga.edu>, boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes:
# This is probably a dumb question but here goes anyway.
# 
# When I was in college, I was basically kidnapped at gunpoint in my
# car.  (Luckily I was released unharmed).  I did not own a gun then,
# 
# My question is, if one has to shoot inside a car (either at someone
# in your car, or through a windshield to get someone trying to get 
# into your car), how do you protect your ears (and those of passengers)
# from the blast noise?
# 
# Or should one forget about the ears and just be happy to be alive
# (or pray the noise doesn't knock you out and cause you to run off
# the road and hit a tree)?
# 
# 
# Roggie Boone
# boone@athena.cs.uga.edu

A .357 fired through an open car window, partially out of the window, is a 
most unpleasant experience.  My wife and I literally could not hear for  
perhaps 5-10 minutes, and I had a ringing in both ears upon going to bed 
that night (and not just a little ringing either).  My wife was 8 1/2
 months pregnant at the time, and we still joke about the response that the 
child had in there (adrenaline rush from Mom, or the sound, or both)

The noise won't knock you out, that is for sure, but you will know about
it.  I think your last thought was correct, better to be alive and deaf 
than dead/maimed.  Those are my thoughts, also.

___________________________________________________________

Keith Hudson		hudson%eivax@ualr.edu	(best)
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From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Media for vibratory cleaner
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:35:30 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <1992Dec12.234822.16589@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> barber@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Alan V. Barber) writes:
#I recently bought a Lyman "Turbo Tumbler" case cleaner and it works just
#fine; but I'm wondering what kind of media to use.  The instruction manual
#gives no hint, nor do they even say what kind came with it.  The Lyman
#catalog sells corn cob media and rouge-bearing crushed nut shells.  They
#also sell "media reactivator" and liquid case cleaner for use in a tumbler.
#
#So what kind of media should one use?  When does it wear out?  Can it be
#reactivated?  How does one use this liquid case cleaner?  Do you recommend
#it?
#
My son gave me a Lyman Turbo 600 for Christmas last year (I _think_
it was last year), and it came with crushed nutshell with a dry,
green-gray medium already installed.  When the medium lost its
oomph, which it did quickly because I was polishing years worth of
really cruddy cases day and night, I went to my local goodies
store and found new Lyman nutshells-cum-polish for _way_ too much
money.

When I asked the sales type (no droids here) he said," everybody here
just uses corncobs without polish.  We sell the stuff for $.10/lb." 
Corncobs (ground, of course) works just fine, especially when I add
a little Brasso.  Yes, I let the ammonia evaporate, just in case it
_does_ weaken the brass.

Watch out for certain types of reactivator.  Many of the tumbler
types are too gummy to work well with a vibrator, which prefers a
dry medium.  The old Thumler's, which looks like red shoe polish,
is a disaster in a vibrator.

Hope this helps.


Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: DCM M1s and competition
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:34 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

In article 4ABCF48F4000092E@UALR.EDU, hudson@ualr.edu writes:
# In article <9212130645.aa07604@s.s.ms.uky.edu>, eric@ms.uky.edu (Eric H. Herrin II) writes:
# 
# # 2. What type of rifle do I need?  I assume a hunting rifle just won't do.
# #    Seems like the rapid-fire would kill you pretty quickly.
# #    I've seen a couple M1 Garands and M1As in the shops for pretty reasonable
# #    prices.  Is this what I want?  If so, what kind of accurizing do I need to
# #    do (most I've seen are pretty used and probably need new barrels)?  
# #    Match barrels allowed?   Regulations on what kinds of parts you can put on
# #    the rifle?
# # 
# 
# You could use you hunting rifle at most clubs matches, but your right, 
# rapid fire would be very hard.  Most hunting rifles hold only 4 rounds in 
# 

	It depends on how good you are with your hunting rifle.

	I have seen a number of people shoot these matches with a bolt
	action rifle, loading a single shot, firing, loading the next, etc.

	Mark
	mrr1@ra.msstate.edu
From: wilska@cc.lut.fi (Panu Wilska)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Para-Ordnance P14 price
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:34:45 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


What is the price for Para-Ordnance P14 .45 semiautomatic pistol
in USA? I' just thinking of buying it and I'd like to compare
local prices to U.S. prices.

Any comments on P14 are welcome.

wilska@mato.lut.fi
From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: What to do when stopped by the police
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:17:35 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

With all of this discussion about staying in your car when stopped
by the police, my experience is that they DO want yo to stay put.
They will tell you if they want you to get out of your vehicle.

On the same note however, what does the law say about this?  If
someone gets out of their car and refuses to get back in when told
to do so.  What happens when someone responds with, "I'll stand
anywhere I damn well please".  (Besides having your car searched,
your name run through every computer in the US, and making sure
that you get every possible ticket the cop can think up)  Could You be
charged with a crime? (Failure to obey a police officer? Obstruction
of a police investigation?)

I'm not recommending this approach, but am just wondering how much
authority the police really have, and how much is just them relying
on us being cooperative.  Personally, the last time I was pulled
over, (it was at night), I stayed in the car and turned on the dome
light.  I thought the dome light was important since my car at the
time had tinted windows all around. (It was a Honda wagon WITHOUT
an air-conditioner, so the tinting was for tempature reduction)

Of course if you really want to have fun, you can pretend that you
don't speak english, or that your a deaf mute :-)

                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com
				NRA, ILA,
                                Colorado Firearms Collation
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From: EY15@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (EY15)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
Subject: A little bit of freedom in the U.K.
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:20:50 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: University of Liverpool


[MODERATOR:  Hmmm, wellll ... I guess its newsworthy (and informational)
that the following can still happen in the UK.  But I prefer for any 
followup to go to t.p.g., thanks ]

Government policy here in the U.K. has, for many years, been the
disarming of its law abiding citizens.  I was therefore most pleased
(and surprised) to see the following in the autumn 1992 edition of the
Shooter's Rights Association Journal.

"Faced with the inability of the police to control armed crime, the
public are hitting back.  During May, a trial at Luton Crown Court was
told how two robbers broke into the Lytton Arms at Old Knebwoth.  They
woke and tied up the landlord and two women who were on the premises,
but didn't tie them tightly.  Landlord Stephen Nye struggled free,
untied the women and broke out a 12 bore gun from his bedroom security
cabinet, which he gave to South African born Saskia Hobson."

"Mr Nye was confronted by the robbers whilst trying th get a second gun,
at which point Saskia opened fire, blowing the ear off one man and part
of a buttock off the other.  Her action was commended by the judge, who
awarded her $100 (pounds) out of public funds"

Oh to be free!

Good shooting and a merry Christmas, rec.gunners,
                                                 Marcus Shaw.