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From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Looking for NON-trackers...
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:36:14 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <Paul_Trauth.0b8k@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth) writes:


>     Ok. I've been playing around with 'trackers for quite a while, and
>have slowly become sick to death of the whole 'tracker piano-roll like
>metaphor. Can anyone point me to a GOOD music routine that:
>- comes with replay routine source
>- lets you sequence each voice SEPERATELY
>- has flexibility in possible effects (for instance, it would be nice to be
>able to do things like arpeggiate and slide at the same time)
>- doesn't hog the CPU like almost all 'trackers do
>- comes with reasonable docs
>- is PD or of dubious ownership (like the 'trackers... SoundTracker was
>originally commercial, but it's been so re-written and modified by an
>endless list of hackers that it's close to PD now)
>
>Having something similar to the PLST the 'trackers use would also be nice,
>i don't want to wait for it to load the directory of an instrument disk
>from floppy!
>
Ironically, what comes closest to this is a tracker clone, MED v3.11 or higher.
It has most of the above mentioned facilities, except for doing more than
one effect at a time.
Furthermore, it supports MIDI like I haven't seen on any other program.
It has blocks of variable length (1-256 lines). Blocks can consist of max.
16 tracks (for use with MIDI). Playing speed can be set very precise.
It has a built-in sample editor and sound generator. It comes with
player routines and a medplayer.library for anyone who wants to play
songs from their own programs. It has VERY good editing facilities,
including copying and pasting parts of tracks. It has wildcard functions,
so you can change for instance the volume of a lot of notes without having
to change 3 characters for each note.
The Sample list facility keeps track of samples on disks, but it uses
real disk names, instead of things like 'ST-42:'.
I think a disk like 'drums' is much more obvious.
The distribution includes a doc-file of about 40 pages or so, which
explains to program quite well. (seperate docs for sample editor and
sound generator). It is fully multitaskable, and can be set to use as
little of CPU time as possible.

I like it a lot and have found it much more flexible to use than
any MIDI sequencer I've seen.

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From: C503719@UMCVMB.missouri.edu (Baird McIntosh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: A New Newsgroup for MODS
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:29:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: UMCVMB.920407.172941.CDT.C503719
Organization: The Synthy EuroTechnoWack Beat, Inc.

In Message-ID: <1992Apr07.200343.28812@CS.ORST.EDU>
          divineg@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Glade Diviney) said:
|  ...why don't we start a new newsgroup called comp.sys.amiga.mods and keep
|  comp.sys.amiga.audio open for discussion of topics like amiga music
|  composition, reviews, hardware and software updates, etc. like it is now?
|
|  I have no idea what it takes to get a new newsgroup started, but since
|  we really shouldn't depend on a single FTP site for the entire MOD
|  community, and some people have no FTP access anyway, wouldn't c.s.a.mods
|  be a logical choice?

MODS would have to be uuencoded to be sent thru the mail (newsgroups).  The
size of MODS ranges easily up to 300K, and there are certainly bigger ones
around.  When you uuencode 300K of binary data, you generally get a larger
file (always?).  I'm concerned with message size, bandwidth, etc...

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From: npearce@VNET.IBM.COM ("Neil Pearce             o    -")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Looking for NON-trackers...
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:27:37 GMT

Does anyone know a guy called Paul Van Der Valk? He is the person who
REALLY knows about non-trackers.  He did the music for Imploder4.0,
Hybris and Battle Squadron.

>So far I haven't seen for amiga a musiceditor that let's you determine
>the length of notes in some other way.  e.g.  C-4 1,4 ; where 1 is the
>instr# and 4 is the length of the note, like it was in some C64
>editors (this takes less mem than the usual way of having blank spaces
>where new not is not played).

All the versions of his tracker have this feature but I have only ever
seen his play-routines. Does anyone have his music editor?

Cheers,

Dave.

I am appending this for my Friend Dave. Please could you send a replys
directly to NPEARCE@VNET.IBM.COM   Thanks!!!!
From: jhsa@cc.tut.fi (Janne Salmij{rvi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Looking for NON-trackers...
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:24:26 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland


In <Paul_Trauth.0bkg@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US> Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth) writes:

>What I'd *really* like to find, but am afraid i'm probably going to have to
>code myself, is a player that'll let me do stuff like this:
>voice 0 sequence: patt 0 patt 2 patt 2 patt 7 ...
>voice 1 sequence: patt 1 patt 5 patt 6 patt 1 ...
>voice 2 sequence: patt 9 patt 9 patt 9 patt 9 ...
>voice 3 sequence: patt 8 patt A patt B patt B ...
>where each pattern is for -one voice only-.

What you want is called Future Composer or Digital Mugician or various
incarnations of SidMon or SoundMonitor (just like the one on C64 by Chris H.).
Digital Mugician is commercial and I think SidMons are too, but Future Composer
is PD at least it was when I last saw it. In all these each pattern has only
1 track (1 voice as you wanted).

There you have it. There are more than 'just-another-tracker-clone's you know..
Just dig deep enough...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: markb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Mark B.)
Subject: Re: MIDI Programs
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.121554.8414@hemlock.cray.com> dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak) writes:
>the ECE is (very) similar to the DR. T's interface (unshielded palstic case,
>unshielded ribbon cable, 6N138 opto's instead of the midi spec Sharp PC900).

Isn't the HP 6N138 functionally equivalent to the PC900 ?  (easily
fast enough for MIDI applications, and recommended in places where you
can't easily get the PC900 part - e.g. outside the US).

-Mark

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From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Looking for NON-trackers...
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:09:21 GMT
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

jhsa@cc.tut.fi (Janne Salmij{rvi) writes:

> What you want is called Future Composer or Digital Mugician or various
> incarnations of SidMon or SoundMonitor (just like the one on C64 by Chris H.)
> Digital Mugician is commercial and I think SidMons are too, but Future Compos
> is PD at least it was when I last saw it. In all these each pattern has only
> 1 track (1 voice as you wanted).
> 
> There you have it. There are more than 'just-another-tracker-clone's you know
> Just dig deep enough...
> -- 
> - You can hear the sound of two hands clapping. + Janne Salmij{rvi
> - Now how does one hand sound ? 	        + jhsa@cc.tut.fi
> --                                              + jhsa@ee.tut.fi

Future Composer for the Amiga?  If it is anything like the 64 version, I 
would certainly call it a tracker...


"Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
it's your place to challenge authority..."

                                          Rockerboy
From: mjbrown@lonestar.utsa.edu (Marc J. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: REVERB mods/meds
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:13:31 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Since the original poster (sorry, I forget such things) didn't mention it,
I thought I would...

mod.Redoubt  :  Definitely his best creation to date (that is, unless there's
                a better one he hasn't uploaded yet [and it's too late, isn't
                it?  *sniff*] ).  I'm surprised at how well he's taken to
                ProTracker, considering he's a MED-monger at heart (pardon
                the phrase :).  Get it!

Just my $1/50...

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From: hazen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mark Hazen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: MOD newsgroup debate: PLEASE READ!
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:48:44 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Apr14.133524.5517@bristol.ac.uk> ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=) writes:

>Sorry Reverb, but i just can't understand storing modules that are already
>available on the networks!!

Quite all right! Feel free to argue with me at any point in time.
Debate is how the best solutions to the worst problems evolve...

My point is was the fact that on many news servers binaries are not
kept very long. I have this problem frequently when I try to search
backwards and find a title, but the server here will say "Article
Unavailable", ergo, it's been deleted to make room for other items. So
a posted MOD is a GREAT idea to get it spread, but it may only be
accessible for a week at a time. Granted, that's PLENTY for us
addictive types to grab it, but it may provide a problem if you really
wanted to hear a certain mod, and you received a bad send of it, and
unbeknowst of the error, you delete the server copy. You'll be hard
pressed to find it again for more than a few hours, in some cases...
or am I lost again?

>U4ia of Megawatts......who else????

Ah, there could be no other... :-)

Maybe a request: Is there anyone out there willing to keep an Archive
of comp.sys.amiga.mods on their server space?

I believe Tad was keeping archives of comp.sys.amiga.sources and
binaries... but AB20 is gone gone gone. No more uploads, even...
::sigh::

There has to be a grand solution somewhere in here...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: bubblz@ecst.csuchico.edu (Boy Wonder)
Subject: MIDI file format(s)
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:01:20 GMT

Does anyone have the MIDI file format(s) lying around anywhere?
If so, could you bounce a copy to me?  I'd be gratefull.

Thank you,
-Jason
From: abraxas@wizard.GUN.de (Reinhold Prickartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: AudioMaster3&4(German-Manual)
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:35:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: wizard.cf.ANN
Organization: *private Amiga site Cologne*
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.8l

I have buy of the Amiga90 (Consumer Show in Cologne) AudioMaster_3 and on the
Amiga91 upgraded to Audiomaster_4. And I have never see a German Manual.

Give it a German Manual for Audiomaster3 or Audiomaster4????

Best Regards

Reinhold

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From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: st-xx to st-zz
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:30:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: agwbbs.Paul_Trauth.0bke
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Tue  7 Apr 92 09:27, Hpverwei@cs.ruu.nl (dick Verweij)
wrote:
 HV> Is there a FTP-site where I can find ST-XX soundsamples??
Hell, you can just make your own st-xx: sample disks. There is no
"standard" set of st-xx: disks, aside from perhaps a few that came with the
original original Soundtracker. Name a disk "st-xx:" (where xx is any two
alphanumerics-) and start tossing samples on it, either IFF or RAW. (all
trackers can handle raw samples. some can also read IFF. i know Noise and
Pro can...)

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From: C503719@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (Baird McIntosh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: SITES FOR MODS? (now that ab20 is shutting down)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:11:29 GMT
Organization: The Synthy EuroTechnoWack Beat, Inc.

In case you all haven't read, ab20.larc.nasa.gov is shutting down this month.
The exact details may be found in README.SHUTDOWN on ab20, but the main points
are:

     April 13, 1992 -- ab20 will become read-only (no new uploads)
     April 27, 1992 -- ab20 will cease to accept ftp logins.

So, where do you all post Tracker/MED Mods?  What are the other big sites for
Amiga music?  All of the Mods musicians/collectors will need a new site(s) for
distribution/source of Mods.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak)
Subject: Re: MIDI Programs
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:45:35 CDT

In article <1992Apr9.163558.10020@tc.cornell.edu> riley@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Daniel S. Riley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.121554.8414@hemlock.cray.com> dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak) writes:
>>I bought Soundscape, pretty bad.  Had some neat features tho.  I remember 
>>having DMCS and Music-Mouse patched into the patch panel.  Timing problems
>>and lack of decent editing tools killed it for me.
>
>Don't prejudge B&P on the basis of Soundscape.  I was a little leary
>of B&P due to bad experience with Soundscape, but once I actually
>tried B&P, I found I was almost completely wrong about it.  Bars &
>Pipes is a much more mature effort on Todor's part, with most of the
>good ideas from Soundscape but none of the bad design decisions.  Blue
>
Hmmm, I didn't comment on B&P in my post, just Soundscape.
>
>Ribbon Soundworks, unlike Mimetics, has put some serious effort into
>quality control and usability of the user interface, probably thanks
>to the other principle in Blue Ribbon (a musician, not a programmer),
>and have an excellent record (so far) of updating and expanding the
>program.  B&P and B&P Pro are solid programs that deserve serious
>consideration on their own merits.
>
From what I have seen,  B&P Pro looks like a very good sequencing tool.
The user interface is a bit better than  B&P (I thought the original
B&P interface kind of quirky looking, just my opinion - not a flame).
At $295 list, I feel that it is overpriced.  If they include some of the
tools packages (IMO, things that should be included in a $295 seq.) it 
would represent a very good value.  This was the same route that Mimetics
took with Soundscape, lots of tool kits that should have been integral to
the Soundscape program itself.
Soundscape was a good idea, poorly implemented.
B&P Pro is a great idea, well implemented (love the pipe architecture, not
real fond of the user interface).

I would love to see a Creator/Notator port for the Amiga.
The programmer (Gehrard Lengling) wrote a very nice sequencer/notation
program for the C64 (Scoretrack) that has a remarkable number of the
features of Creator/Notator (at least the ones I found most usefull).
>
>While I'm here, a minor historical correction: the major cause of the
>Amiga's "timing problems" reputation was errors in the original
>hardware reference manual, which seemed to indicate that *none* of the
>CIA high resolution timers were available for use by user programs.
>
Not to mention programing for a multitasking OS.  

BTW, does anyone have info one Bule Ribbons Triple Play interface.  I would
like to use it with Music-X if I can.  I need to know if it comes with a
software driver that I can tell Music-X to use?

Don
.standard disclaimers apply
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: karkan@msdrl.com (Jim Karkanias)
Subject: Digitizing Sound
Organization: Merck Sharp & Dohme Research Laboratories
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:13:58 GMT

I have the VoRecOne package and have been using it for some time to do nifty
things with voice recognition, etc.  However, it occurs to me that I could
also use the hardware it comes with to sample some sounds (albeit at a rel.
low res.).  The hardware attaches to the second mouse port; does anyone know
of a way to pull data from that location without rolling a custom routine?
Thanks.

Jim
From: ewilts@mr.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: MIDI Programs
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:29:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: mr.1992Apr12.092934.410
Distribution: world.
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Apr12.093135.8506@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, Dhomas.Trenn@f3.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Dhomas Trenn) writes:
> 
>  How about, Music-X - Version 2.0, soon to be released, is a MUST!
> 
>  How about, Music-X's - PATCH EDITOR CONSTRUCTION SET, soon to be released.
> 
>  Music-X will have a new percussion editor, soon to be released.

I just couldn't resist following up on this post.  This is a blatent case of
vapourware.  I saw MANY advertisements for the original version of Music-X.  I
phoned and phoned, and kept receiving the "soon to be released" line.  It was
about 18 months after I saw my first ad that it was finally shipping.  With the
expense that must have gone into advertising (many full-page colour ads in
Amiga and music industry magazines), I'm still surprised that the company
remained viable.

If you can't go the store today, put down your money and walk away with the
product, it's vapourware.

-- 
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EWilts@MR.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 17:28:38 GMT
Subject: Re: smus2tex (WAS: Re: RESULTS:  Survey of Commodore Amiga music notation software)
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio

grog@cup.portal.com (steven george mueller) writes:
>I've seen sporadic mention of MusicTex but I've never seen source or binaries
>Any idea which ftp site(s) might have musictex floating around? 

MusicTeX is a macro package that works on top of TeX.  You can get
a very nice freely redistributable TeX implementation for the Amiga,
PasTeX, from ab20.  Or get AmigaTeX, a commercial package that 
consistently get rave reviews, from Radical Eye Software.  TeX is
extremely portable among computers; you can get lots of good help
from comp.text.tex.  And you can get many macro and style packages
from niord.shsu.edu and ymir.claremont.edu (and others outside the US).
the niord machine also has a mail server if you don't have ftp access.
I'm 90+% sure that MusicTeX is available on niord.
From: C503719@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (Baird McIntosh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: ReadMyLie_MED.lha
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:27:31 GMT
Organization: The Synthy EuroTechnoWack Beat, Inc.

I have uploaded a new MED Module, "Read My Lie (Internet Mix)", for the
delight or repulsion of all anonymous ftp'ing Module collectors.  There is
a catch, though, because the site on which the file resides (ab20) has a
remaining life span of three weeks and a few days.  So, get it while it's
hot!

 Site: ab20.larc.nasa.gov
  Dir: incoming/amiga
Files: ReadMyLie_MED.lha       (151499 bytes)
       ReadMyLie_MED.Readme    (  2155 bytes)
NOTE!: THE SITE ON WHICH THIS MODULE RESIDES IS TO BE SHUT DOWN ON APRIL 27.

(Note that the Readme is included in the .lha file as well.)

The song features samples (and altered samples) of George Bush, Bart Simpson,
some St. Louis News Man, and various instrument samples from SOUL II SOUL and
New Order.  I tried to make the beat fairly relentless, but there are *some*
musical notes in this piece as well.  :-)  As always, please feel free to
send me some email with comments or constructive criticism.

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From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: A New Newsgroup for MODS
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:32:38 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

It should NOT be an amiga specific thang here folks...

Something more like comp.mods is in order.... MODs can be created
and played on PC's and Atari's too... 
Perhaps comp.binaries.music is more in order...
<X>

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From: randy@stagetwo.UUCP (Randy Gault)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: MED to ProTracker
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:09:14 GMT
Organization: is an illusion

Is it possible to convert MED modules into ProTracker format?
(Hopefully with some sort of program)

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\XX/  Amiga 2000        Windsor Ontario Canada
From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Yamaha PSS-680
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:16:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: fripp.1992Apr6.141622.15290
Reply-To: jh@cadre.com
Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc.

In article 29252@nntp.uoregon.edu, ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>
>   I have a Yamaha PSS-680 (hardly used), and am wondering whether or not I
>should keep it, or get something better for MIDI work? I've barely used MIDI
>before, but it's something I definitely want to get around to. I have the
>necessary interface. 
>

I find the PSS-680 to be a very servicable machine for my MIDI needs.  The keyboard
sounds are a little cheesy, and editing them to come up with new sounds is 
difficult (as followers of this thread will have noted by now :-) but it has done
a good job for me up to now, and the PCM drum sounds make this box worth keeping
around.  Of course, if you're independently wealthy, there's scads of great
synths to upgrade to!

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