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From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Breeding corals and inverts    Was: Selling Reef Continued...
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: bestsd.28JUL199210245089
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Jul28.161252.1153@news.duc.auburn.edu>, kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sulliva writes...
> 
>Now you get the chance to find out how fun a no fish reef is.
> 
>I had a Mandarin in mine for two years but he died four months ago.
>Now it's live rock, live rock, live rock, and corals.  (And a few 
>anemones.)  The best things about no fish are (1) no polution causing 
>fish food, and (2) no stupid fish harrassing your prized inverts.

Do inverts and corals generally breed in a reef tank environment?

Mike



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From: anbo@wuee1.wustl.edu (Albrecht Jander)
Subject: Re: Undergravel heating - plant tank
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:05:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.095001.7924@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccshf@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Henry Ford) writes:
>
>There are undertank heating pads - I use them for my main 4 ft tank:
>they are cheaper than heating coils to buy, and no more expensive to
>run than the usual coil-in-glass-tube  heaters. Some say that they are
>dreadful - that they leak heat all over the place, dreadfully
>inefficient, etc. Well they need a good insulation under the pad, but
>you'll be putting a piece of polystyrene or carpet there anyway - just
>put a thicker piece - and yes the tank bottom has to heat up, but
>once the system is set up and in stable equilibrium, there is no extra
>heat loss because of the greater insulation under the pad. Everything
>is out of the water (except the thermostat of course) and they are
>guaranteed for ages. A firm in Scotland makes them and, damn it, I
>can't remember the details, but they are at home.
>email me if you'd like them
>Henry F

You can do pretty much the same thing with a water-bed heating pad.  I've
done it, so I know it works.  Won't have to go to Scotland either, because
your local water-bed store should have them.

Albrecht



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From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: [M] Diet for Yellow Tang
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:49:47 EDT
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson) writes:

> In article <1992Jul28.012229.17489@vpnet.chi.il.us>, kji@vpnet.chi.il.us (Ken
> > Anyone else out there have a Yellow Tang?  If so, what do you feed it?
> > 
> > Is a Yellow Tang interested in letuce?
> 
>         I believe (from net-wisdom and reading in reference books) that
> they are a veggie eater and (supposedly) prefer Romain (sp?) lettuce.
> BUT, be careful not to get the typical stuff from average grocery
> stores.  It likely has pesticides, etc. on it.  I would suggest you
> visit an "organic" store and see what they have to offer in the
> chemical/pesticide free area.  I had a Yellow Tang that kicked off the
> day after putting in a leaf of grocery store lettuce (we washed it
> first!) and the general feeling I got from the repsonses was that it was
> a chemical poisoning....

My yellow tang used to *love* Romaine lettuce.  Basically, just wash the 
stuff under running tap water and weight it down in the tank so it doesn't 
float.  Of course, you have to be careful of pesticides, et al, but that 
wasn't a problem in my case.

You could also try spinach. (sp?)  Apparently they like that too.

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From: sfinfroc@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Scott H. Finfrock)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Undergravel heating - plant tank
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:14:25 GMT
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland

I am interested in changing my tank to mostly plants.  I've read
some about undergravel heating and was wondering how important
it was.  Can someone out there with experience give me advice?
Are there alternatives to Dupla heating cables?  Thanks.

Scott Finfrock
sfinfroc@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re:  Marine Ethics Questions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.142415.18485@cs.wayne.edu>, dan@foghorn.pass.wayne.edu (Daniel C writes...
> 
>I agree completely.  It is my feeling that we should only be able to purchase
>tank bred fish.  Allow breeders to purchase wild fish for the purpose of
>breeding.  What is more important, our need to have beautiful fish, or the
>Earth's need to maintain a variety of life.  When tank bred corals, and marine
>fish are available, I'll setup a tank of my own.  For now I'll stick with
>a nice freshwater tank.
> 

I think Daniel's and Lynsey's actions are really commendable.

I was hot and heavy to start up a reef aquarium a few years back until I 
found out that many of the fish were caught via cyanide bombs. When I did a 
bit more research into things, I also realized that most salt water fish 
were difficult or impossible to breed in home aquariums. It seems pretty 
destructive and selfish to buy fish that aren't breedable and will only 
live a few years in my aquarium - especially at the expense of reef areas.

Mike



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From: lfin@xrtll.uucp (Lynda Fincham)
Subject: Re: (F) Tiny tank update
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:01:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.185914.26496@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us> oleg@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>"Some light" can be as simple as the light from the window.  Java fern,
>in my experience, does well when the water is very clean, something not easy
>to get in a "tiny tank" with as many fish as you have, unless you do a lot
>of water changes.

I'm kinda late on this discussion, but I also find that the best light for
small tanks is natural light. I've got a 2.5gal with 5 tiger barbs, small
amazon swords, and cambomba that is growing great guns. I've also got a 2gal
with a few guppies and hygrophilia, which is taking over the tank. I haven't
done one water change on either of the tanks yet (they're several months old
now) and the water is very clear.

What I like about them most is that if you don't like them where they are,
move them. Water, fish, plants and all... :)

Lyn
From: mwerling@linus.umd.edu (Michael T. Werling)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Betta behavior
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:23:48 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <aqR-d#_@engin.umich.edu> nclennan@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu (Neil F. Clennan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.194941.21096@infonode.ingr.com> drew@drew.b17a.ingr.com  
>(Drew Mills) writes:
>> -- 
>> What's the deal with my new betta?  I was told that as long as they weren't
>> <stuff about aggressive bettas deleted> 
>
>You know, in spite of what the books say,  I've heard this same complaint
>from friends who have tried keeping bettas with other fish (I've never
>kept them myself). In one case, a betta kept pestering a much larger fish,
>which put up with it for quite a while before getting fed up. It then turned
>on the betta and killed it. Can't recall the details (like the species of
>the other fish). Looks like their behavior is not as predictable as some of
>the books would have us believe.
>
>-- Neil Clennan
>nclennan@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu

Back when I was even more ignorant about aquaria than I am now, I had a
betta and two small tiger barbs in a tank.  The betta ended up looking
like it had been shaved of all of its fins by the time the barbs were done.
The betta never even botherd them. (I isolated the betta and it got well,
eventually.  Well trimmed tho...) 

Just thought I would confuse the issue a little more.

Mike

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From: jpotter@stsci.edu (Jeffrey J. Potter)
Subject: Re: Need info on Baltimore Aquarium
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 06:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.151730.26832@srg.srg.af.mil>, dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
> >Folks, 
> >I will be in Baltimor over Labor day and would love to see the
> >aquarium there. Can you help me with some info please:
> >
> >1. Phone number of the place
> 301-576-3800
> >2. cost of admission
 $12.50/adult and worth every penny.  the large reef is great!
 i never realized that triggers and angles got so big.
> >3. I was told you can buy tickets ahead of time at a Ticketron
> >   for a certain time to get in and avoid the lines, is this true?
> For these two, just ask when you call.
> >4. Will it be open/crowded on Labor Day weekend?
> 
> Yes, and Ohmigawd yes...
> >
> >Thanks for your help.

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From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Subject: free watersprite
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling
Distribution: rec.aquaria
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:43:12 GMT


I have two tanks (10 gal and 20 gal) in which I am growing
live plants.  The watersprite I have seems to be growing well 
and I have supplied many people over the last 3 or 4 years.

I recently moved here to the flemington, new jersey area and
would be willing to give more away about wach month 2 -3 hand fulls.

Anyone interested E-mail me at:  krystek@bms.com

stan

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From: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: toronto area stores
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:57:01 EST
Reply-To: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

RF>Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

Hello Sir,
           I see from your header that you live near Toronto.  I  live in
Bramalea my self, and was just wondering where you buy your equipment
from?  I am in the process of setting up a 100g mini reef.  Looking
for some good prices on a protein skimmer and some live rock.  Is
$170 a good price for 40 pounds?

Are there any other Toronto area marine aquarium lovers out there?

Sure would like to hear from you!


Thanks for any help.


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From: russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (David M. Russell)
Subject: African Cichlid
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:36:54 GMT

   Last year I bought an African Cichlid, and have a few 
questions/remarks. It took a while but I was finally able to
identify it as a female Labetropheus Fulleborni. (What attracted
me to this fish was the orange/brown marbled color and the 
peculiar nose.)

First: Does anyone know the common name, if there is one?

Second: Since obtaining this fish I have not seen another one
        anywhere, and I have looked. I'm trying to find a male.
        I have four stores trying to find one. (Do I have the
        last one :-)

Third: What does anyone think about breeding her with a Red Zebra,
       they are closely related.

Comments and Suggestions welcome.

Note: this is my first time posting something, and I went about
it in a round about way. Could someone e-mail me the proper 
way to post.

 DMR -- russell@sun.soe.clarkson.edu

From: dant@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (dan thibadeau)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:00:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Painted Glass Fish
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria

Yep, sure are.

UGH!
From: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Cold Salt Water Aquarium
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:20:09 GMT
Reply-To: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Distribution: usa
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.

In article <2183@unet.UUCP>, ddozier@daled.unet.com (Dale Dozier) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >I would also recomend against self collecting, i.e. you going down to
|> >the beach and collecting your animals for your reef tank, California
|> >has a lot of laws concerning such things, and unless your a diver
|> >and are willing to go a couple hundred feet out to do your collection, 
|> >you not going to be able to legally collect enough to make your
|> >tank interesting.
|> 
|> 
|>   I am a diver. What are the laws about collecting off the California 
|> Coast? Seems like you may need a fishing license to collect some things
|> legally. Is there different laws for picking items up out of tide pools
|> -vs- diving and collecting offshore?
|> 
|> -Dale
|> 

	I have a friend who used to do marine research in California. She also
dives (as do I, now). Believe me when I tell you that there is no way anyone can
tell whether any given action is illegal to California Fish & Game unless you
provide the exact circumstances. Laws change based on:

	Season
	Location
	Depth
	Mean High-tide Mark (my personal fave)
	Underwater National Parks
	Type of License (research, fishing, etc.)
	etc., etc.

	Some places you must have a special "research" license to take
anything. Some places, nobody cares. Some places, a fishing license is probably
enough. You probably want to check with Fish & Game on the exact circumstances
if you want to try this.

	(Even with all the hassle - I've considered it. If only chillers didn't
cost an arm and a leg. :< )


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From: mstephens.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (mark stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: [F]Lighting for a planted aquarium.
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:53:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: nasa/gsfc

You don't need to have the top open.  Folk that do typically have the lights
hanging from the ceiling.  I'll have to re-read that article as I 
don't know why the author said that you had to have the top open.  Perhaps
to let plants grow out of the water.  They are eaiser to maintain but
the light can blind you when sitting and suspending anything from the 
ceiling can be a problem.

I have an open top tank and two closed tops.  The two which are closed have 
the glass tops you can purchase in pet stores.  Both have two 24" florescent
bulbs.  One, a 30XH, has a sword plant which is just about done taking over
the tank ("Oh, you DO have fish in there"), the other, a 20H, is only 
two weeks old and still in the "honey moon" period in which a new tank looks
great (eg, no algae!).

On one tank I went to a electrical store asked for a 24" fixture and rcved
one that exactly fits the top of the tank.  Cost was under $30, but you 
have to supply and attach the cord.  Another route is the double light strip 
which I believe Perfecto makes. 

             mark


In article <1992Jul25.060117.908@rtsg.mot.com>, ferrer@rtsg.mot.com (Arnold S. Ferrer) writes:
> 
> I need advice on the best possible way to provide lighting
> for a 30L gallon tank. In reading an article in the July
> issur of Freshwater and Marine Aquarium, the author stated
> that there should be no glass or plastic between the lighting
> and water surface.
> I have a 30L Perfecto tank and hood combo. I'd like to put a
> better hood on top, with 2 24" 20watt full spectrum fluorescent
> bulbs. How do I go about doing this, without having anything
> between the light and the water. I'd also like it to be safe, so
> that I don't get electric shock.
> I'd really like to have a nice aquarium with lots of freshwater
> plants and some fish. Any advice, would be helpful, thanks.
> 
> 
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From: biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: [F] KILL this algae!
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:20:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aquaria
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I have had dramatic success with erythromycin. I had a plague of 
bluish-greenish mat algae, growing on my plants, in a heavily
planted tank. I'm not sure if it is true blue-green algae, since
Baensh says that it requires 200ppm plus nitrates (I have 10-20 ppm).
Anyway, one tablet of e-mycin in a 55gal tank per day, for three 
days, eliminated the mat algae, and greatly reduced the green spot
algae. The mat stuff hasn't come back (two weeks later) and the 
spot is only beginning to resume its moderate level of growth.
The e-mycin also seems to have cured a mysterious disease that
had my rams acting very lethargic.
From: nick@icad.com (Nick Caruso)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Question about putting roots of plants in tank water.
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:14:05 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: ICAD Inc., Cambridge, MA


In the Aquarium Handbook (?), by Rudiger Riehl and Hans Baensch, there
is a picture of a fishtank with what appears to be a philodendron
growing out of the tank.

I was wondering, what plants are safe to place in a tank in this way,
i.e. with roots dangling in the water and foliage outside?  The book
doesn't say, but it seems to imply that it's not dangerous.

Is this a useful way of removing nitrogen from the water?  Seems like
the plant would love it.  I also have a coleus (sp?) that is well
adapted to a life in a jar of water with regular fertilizer additions;
could I put this in the fishtank without killing the fish?  Any info
would be appreciated.

(There are herbivores in the tank, including a silver dollar.)

More generally, has anyone out there ever tried running tank water
through a bed of water-tolerant (? hydroponic ?) plants as a kind of
filter?

Please, comments by email- my site doesn't get this group reliably and
I'll probably miss replies.

 thanks!

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From: sar@philabs.philips.com (Sidney A. Rosenzweig)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Trying to get Jack Dempseys to spawn
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:56:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.

I've got 6 Dempseys in a 55 gallon tank with a catfish, two pleco and two
fire-mouths. The Dempseys are at least a year old and range in size from three
to five inches.    

How do I distinguish the males from females, and how can I try to get a pair
to spawn?

Thanks,

sid
sar@philabs.philips.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson)
Subject: Re: [M] Diet for Yellow Tang
Reply-To: dyson@sunfish.Physics.UIowa.EDU
Organization: Department of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:11:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.012229.17489@vpnet.chi.il.us>, kji@vpnet.chi.il.us (Ken Isacson) writes:
> Anyone else out there have a Yellow Tang?  If so, what do you feed it?
> 
> Is a Yellow Tang interested in letuce?

        I believe (from net-wisdom and reading in reference books) that
they are a veggie eater and (supposedly) prefer Romain (sp?) lettuce.
BUT, be careful not to get the typical stuff from average grocery
stores.  It likely has pesticides, etc. on it.  I would suggest you
visit an "organic" store and see what they have to offer in the
chemical/pesticide free area.  I had a Yellow Tang that kicked off the
day after putting in a leaf of grocery store lettuce (we washed it
first!) and the general feeling I got from the repsonses was that it was
a chemical poisoning....

caveat emptor...

rick
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From: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: [m][r] moon phase?
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:09:37 EST
Reply-To: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


ST> What was the phase of the moon over your tank and was it the same phase when
ST>the coral spawned last ? How many days seperated the 2 spawns ?


Hi Steve One quick question.  I am new to the conference and just setting
up my first reef tank.

How do you simulate the phase's of the moon?
WHY?  Is it neccessary for breeding?

No need to give a long technical question I might not understand it!, Yet!



Thanks, Larry.

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From: kevins@eng.auburn.edu (Kevin Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria,sci.aquaria
Subject: Re: Selling Reef Continued...
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:12:52 GMT
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

Hey Paul, don't sell it.

Now you get the chance to find out how fun a no fish reef is.

I had a Mandarin in mine for two years but he died four months ago.
Now it's live rock, live rock, live rock, and corals.  (And a few 
anemones.)  The best things about no fish are (1) no polution causing 
fish food, and (2) no stupid fish harrassing your prized inverts.

Give it a try without fish and see how you like it.
(If you need to see a little movement, limpets are great.)

Kevin Sullivan