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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Mutant Viola?
Keywords: identification, instrument, viola, mutant
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:22:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.013017.422@ttinews.tti.com> bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart) writes:

|The funky-looking scroll is pretty true-to-life, though: it isn't like a
|violin scroll, it's more like a guitar or mandolin: flat, not scrolled
|into a string box, and with machines instead of pegs.  Not only that,
|but there are *8* machines, despite the fact that when I bought it,
                ^
|there were only 4 strings.  There are extra grooves in the nut and extra
|holes in the tailpiece, so it looks like you're supposed to put the full
|8 strings on it...although the bridge that was on it when I bought it
|only had 4 grooves and looked like an ordinary viola bridge (it's an
|Aubert, in fact).

|WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?  The Viola from Venus?  The Fiddle from the
|Fourth Dimension?  The "lute" in lutefisk?

Methinks you are the proud owner of a Viola da Gamba (or a Viola d'Amore).

(Thats a new Lutefisk joke  9-)  )


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From: jpmakela@klaava.Helsinki.FI (J Pekka Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Spencer Bohren
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:41:32 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

cimo@cs.montana.edu (Bob Cimikowski) writes:
: 
: Has anyone heard of Spencer Bohren?  He's the opening act for Michelle Shocked
: here in Bozeman tomorrow night and I'd like to find out about him before that,
: if possible.

	I don't know if this one reaches you before that, but anyway...

	Spencer Bohren is from New Orleans and a familiar figure there,
	although he hasn't recorded as a leader before "Snap Your
	Fingers". That's a pretty fine album of blues/NO -based, mainly
	acoustic music. There's a version on "Shopping for Clothes"
	where Dr. Johns is credited for rapping (!), a couple of pretty
	traditional stuff and like. Very recommended, if you can find
	the disc (it's on Loft Records).


						-jP Makela
From: sachs@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: no 'exit': on JWJ and the Dutchman
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:25:55 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Sorry, am on a new system and I guess I haven't mastered posting.
the previous message from me was not supposed to be titled 'exit',
but 'on Josh White Jr. and The Dutchman'

Hilary
From: johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: SUMMARY:  Songwriters' "Cover"s
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:54:32 GMT
 <lab10mINNsrq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Sep3.041239.20563@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Sep3.041239.20563@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:

> propensity toward recording their own material.  Some memorable past "covers"
> include Bing Crosby and Vaughn Monroe covering an unknown named Tennessee
> Ernie Ford on "Mule Train,"  Vaughn Monroe covering The Sons of the Pioneers
> on "Ghost Riders in the Sky,"  Vaughn Monroe covering Johnny Horton on
> "Battle of New Orleans;"                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Except that Johnny Horton didn't write this song, either.  It was written 
by a highschool principal in Tennessee named Jimmy Driftwood (whose 
recordings, by the way have some of Chet Atkins' first studio guitar 
work!). 

Best,
-- John
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Josh White Jr
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:34:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug31.150033.25139@henson.cc.wwu.edu> lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert) writes:
>
>Back in the late seventies I saw Josh White Jr twice, both times as
>an opening act for Tom Paxton.  He was excellent.  I have his album
>Sing a Rainbow and an earlier one called, I think, Josh White Jr.
>
>Believe it or not, until I saw JWJ I had never heard of Josh White
>Senior (ignorant suburban that I was/am).  Now I have a bunch of
>his records too.  (JWJ sang several of his father's songs in concert...
>and one or two on SING A RAINBOW).


There was an "In Concert" or a PBS special that featured Josh White Jr.,
Tom Paxton, Odetta, and Bob Gibson a few years back. It was terrific.
 
Greg
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Diatonics (is this real?)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 10:41:53 GMT
Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Someone said they had a Hohner Corona tuned to E-A-D. I perused
my Hohner catalogs and could only find G-C-F; A-D-G & E(flat)-B
(flat)-F. I even called Hohner NA up the road in Ashland VA and
they say they don't make an E-A-D Corona. 
  Is this a custom box or what?
-- 
Ted....
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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.makers
Subject: Where do you go to? (Lyrics req)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:06:15 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Does anyone know where I can get the lyrics for Peter Sarsted's song
"Where do you go {to my lovely}"

It begins something like :

Where do you go to my lovely,
When you're asleep in you bed
.....

(The tune is straightforward, Am/C then F G )

Thanks in advance etc
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyke-Wake Dirge
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:09:21 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) wrote:
> 	Lyke-Wake Dirge

> This ae night, this ae nighte,
> Every night and a',
> Fire and sleet and candle lighte,
> And Christe receive thy saule.

> 'Sleet' is salt, btw.  I believe the melody you heard is by Benjamin
> Britain (sp?).

Britten.  From his "Serenade" for tenor, horn and strings.  I can see why
people might be tempted to do it as a folk ballad, but matching the original
with the strings screaming like the souls of the damned and the horn leading
the singer on like the Angel of Death won't be easy...

"Fire and sleet" is wrong, though a popular misreading.  The original is
"fire and fleet", a late mediaeval idiom whose exact meaning I forget -
"hearth and comfort", more or less, I think.  (The Penguin Book of Border
Ballads explains it, but I don't have that handy).

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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Whaling Songs?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:14:09 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>One people who have some very good whaling songs are the Basques;
>polyphonic pieces somewhere between Welsh and Georgian singing in effect.
>Their whaling was traditionally done in open boats rowed out into the Bay
>of Biscay; that was doing it the hard way.  I don't know where you can get
>recordings of them; I haven't heard any for about 15 years.

>There are Inuit songs about whaling as well; I haven't heard these.

>Now can we have some traditional Canadian worksongs to accompany clubbing
>baby seals to death?

will an antiwhaling song do? you can get the tune from the Dubliners
'Celebration' double. I think its by A. Barnes

My soul has been torn from me
And I am bleeding
My heart it has been rent
And I am screaming
All the beauty around me fades
And I am crying
I am the last of the great whales
And I am dying

Last night I heard the sound of my last companion
Then the roar of the harpoon gun
And then I was alone
I thought of the days gone by
When we were thousands
But I know that I soon must die
The last leviathan

This morning the sun did rise
Crimson in the North sky
The ice was the colour of blood
And the wind did cry
I rose for to take a breath
It was my last one
From a gun came the roar of death
And now I am done

Now that we are all gone
Theres no more hunting
The big fellow is no more
Its no use lamenting
What race will be next in line
All for the slaughter
The elephant or the seal,
Or your sons and daughters


My soul has been torn from me
And I am bleeding
My heart it has been rent
And I am screaming
All the beauty around me fades
And I am crying
I am the last of the great whales
And I am dying
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.australia
From: probst@fraser.sfu.ca (Scott Probst)
Subject: Re: Australian Folk?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:29:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.190030.19576@nevada.edu> jablin@nevada.edu (DOUGLAS JABLIN) writes:
>I've been interested in folk music, especially celtic, folk-rock coming
>out around the world. I've only heard snippets about bands of this vein
>coming out of Australia. There was a friend of mine who stayed there
>for about a year and couldn't track down anything. If anybody could fill
>me in on the folk music scene, the bands, description of the music,
>recommended albums I would be much obliged.
>
well, i was by no means a folkie when i was there (for 25 years), but you
might want to check out some early (the first several) Redgum records -
in the folk vein, overtly political. not celtic, i'm afraid. there is a
pub on elgin street, very near melbourne university, that i heard
celtic, folk music at once or twice, but the names of the bands escape
me. 

i really recommend some of the Redgum stuff - records such as "brown rice
and kerosene" and "if you don't fight you lose", as well as their "big"
single "i was only 19".

cheers,

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jim@teclogic.wa.com (Jim Newberry)
Subject: Re: Radio folk show hosts?
Organization: Tech*Logic, Inc. Woodinville, WA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:29:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.220602.15836@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>Are any other writers here hosting folk radio shows?
>
>I do a 4-hour folk show once a month for NH Public Radio in Concord,
>NH.  There are four folk hosts that rotate to produce a weekly show.  
>
>We used to have folk music two nights a week, but got cut to once
>a week about 6 months ago in favor of increased classical programming.
>
>I'm interested to hear about other folk shows, ideas for
>folk show features, formats, and keeping folk shows thriving in 
>the midst of station politics and budget crises.
>
>I'd also love to hear more about what listeners want from folk
>radio shows.
>
>Holly

Holly (et al),

There is a VERY interesting article in the most recent Old Time Herald
magazine (find an oldtime fiddler or banjo player for a copy) written
by Rachael Goodman about what is happening to Old Time and Folk music
programming on Public Radio.  Many stations around the country are 
following their pocketbooks and dumping folk programming in favor of
mono-format classical or jazz music since they feel that those listeners
cough up more dough at pledge time...  Cathy Fink and some others in
the D.C. area have raised a big stink over the canning of a folk D.J.
there... Her article is quite interesting (she is risking stepping
on some toes of those who syndicate her own shows, like "Southern 
Songbirds", but feels it is worth the risk) and will be publishing a
more comprehensive article in (I think) the Whole Earth Review this
fall.

I know that in Seattle, the vast majority of Folk, Old Time, Bluegrass,
Celtikie and similar music programming has shifted from NPR stations
to smaller, more responsive Community stations.

Hang in there!

>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Holly Hendricks
>Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH 03062
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Jim.


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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Cheryl Wheeler
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:59:57 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

I've seen several articles over the past few months about Cheryl Wheeler.
Since the disclaimer has been often posted that she doesn't tour much 
off the east coast I've tended to ignore those articles.  Recently, though
I've been listening to Maura O'Connells "Helpless Heart" and one of my 
favorite tunes on the album, Summerfly, was written by Cheryl Wheeler.  If
this song is indicitvie of here other material I'd be interested in hearing
more.  So, to whoever, has been raving about her in the past, here is an
opportunity to rave about her again and tell me everything about any
recorded material I might be able to find.
-- 
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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Michelle Shocked
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:29:53 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <5060@news.duke.edu> tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies) writes:
-->In article <1992Sep2.180237.2554@gvl.unisys.com> wrp@psl1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle) writes:
-->
-->[stuff directly relevant to the thread deleted]
-->
-->-->Her "Campfile Tapes" is very folky - it was recorded on a portable
-->-->tape recorded at a campfire.  Just her and 10,000 crickets :^)
-->-->Michelle doesn't like it - it was supposedly published without her
-->-->knowledge or consent.  The sound quality is very bad, and you keep
-->-->hearing crickets, trucks, etc. in the background.
-->
-->I seem to recall rading somewhere (perhaps the New Trouser Press Record
-->Guide) that the crickets were actually added in post-production!!
-->To lend it that authentic bootleg flavor, I guess!

I was right about this! The tape was still recorded live, though:
From the Fourth Edition of Trouser Press Record Guide, p. 593:
"Recorded live at a folk festival on a portable tape machine (not
exactly a field recording but close enough to seem legitimately
earthy), The Texas Campfire Tapes--complete with the post-production
soound of chirping crickets--made the Dallas-born Shocked the darling
of the British folk scene."

For those who haven't heard of it, the Trouser Press is a guide to
"alternative" rock/pop/rap type music, and a fascinating bok to
browse through.

Tristan
-- 
e-mail: tbd@neuro.duke.edu
Department of Neurobiology, Duke University Medical Center

"grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! oot piffoo blaboo..." -- Opus
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: sek@sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Subject: Re: Good sound at Philly Folk Festival
Reply-To: sek@sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Red Bank, N.J.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:57:02 GMT

In article <87668@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
|> Sure.  This was the first time that I'd heard many of the performers, and
|> several of them impressed me very much.  Darden Smith is one of the best
|> singer-songwriters I've heard in a long time, and has a wonderful gift
|> for quietly ironic phrases.  

By all means pick up his two solo recordings, "Darden Smith" and "Troble No
More" as well as his excellent, underrated collaboration with Boo Hewerdine
(of the U.K. band The Bible) "Evidence".  You also may want to look for a
promotional CD titled "Midnight Train" that features about a dozen live
tracks (many with Boo Hewerdine on background vocals and harmony)
interspersed with portions of an interview with Smith.  It's very good
and really lets Smith's songwriting shine.  

I'd like to see future collaborations between Smith and Hewerdine.  
Several years after the release of "Evidence" I still find myself playing
it often.

-- 
Spencer Kantor
Bell Communications Research

sek@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com
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From: james@owlnet.rice.edu (James Calvert Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Les Lowkey
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:48:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University


Has anyone heard of Les Lowkey... does she have any albums out???  I think she is from Sante Fe, NM...  Thanks.
-- 
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From: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Subject: St. Olaf's Gate:  Where is it?
Reply-To: jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:02:50 GMT

This song is on a Nanci Griffith album.  I have liked it for a long
time but only recently got down to figuring out what she's talking
about.  What has got me wondering are all the hints in the lyrics
as to where it takes place:

	"She came down from Bergen ..."

	"Waltzing Matilda while the bagpipes played 'Au Claire du Lune'"

I believe "a Scotsman" is mentioned, and the fiddling on this song
sounds like Cajun to me.  So I guess it's between Norway and Scotland,
with Australia and Louisiana trailing.  Of course the Cajunesque
arrangement could be something from out of Nanci's arranger's head.

Does anyone know where St. Olaf's Gate is?

John Morton					University of California
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From: mchenry@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: need TRAIN help
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:34:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: guvax.1992Sep4.123413.1297
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Recently I posted to a few other sections (rec.music.classical, 
rec.music.bluenote, and bit.listserv.allmusic) a request for songs and 
TRAINS. I want to make a compilation tape for my nephew. Now I have been 
told that this was "thrashed to death" on your group not too long ago. If 
anyone has a copy of the summary that appeared at the end of that thread, I 
would appreciate getting it. Please do not feel a need to thrash the topic 
over again. I have already 10 messages with lots of suggestions. However, I 
cannot ignore an apparent treasure trove such as the one you have 
suggested. It sounds like I might have to make a multi-volume set...

Bill McHenry

mchenry@guvax.georgetown.edu

Please reply to my e-mail as I usually do not read this group.
From: landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: SUMMARY:  Songwriters' "Cover"s
Date: 3 Sep 1992 03:18:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: morocco

I requested:
> "Songwriters' Covers" ... a well-known singer/songwriter [sings] a song
> by another songwriter ...  Anyone have other favorites?  If there's any
> interest, you're welcome to reply by e-mail and I'll summarize.

Well, aside from some scattered disagreement about the precise meaning of
the word "cover", interest is/was decidedly cool (is a week a reasonable
amount of time to wait these days?).  (The one suggested addition to my
list, from Patrick Visel, was Archie Fisher's rendition of Stan Rogers'
_Witch_of_the_Westmere_Lands_.  I also added Michele Shocked's version
of Jean Ritchie's _The_L&N_Don't_Stop_Here_Anymore_.)

Greg B. says
> >These are a couple of examples of what I call the "Songwriters' Covers"
> >phenomenon -- 
>
> I don't really see this as an apt use of the term 'cover.' To me, a
> "cover" is when a group tries to play a song in manner which is as close
> as possible to the original rendition. You know, everyone's "Stairway to
> Heaven."

This is news to me.  I do suspect you're more in touch with more musicians
than I, so I'll believe that some people do restrict the meaning of
"cover" in this way.  But this raises a question -- what word do you use
for the more general meaning, of a singer singing someone else's song?
Rendition doesn't do it, since songwriters can do "renditions" of their
own songs.
--			... you say "Morocco", and that makes me smile ...
Doug Landauer -- landauer@morocco.eng.sun.com
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From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Good sound at Philly Folk Festival
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:30:57 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <01SEP92.10832002.0025@lafibm.lafayette.edu> KR#4@lafibm.lafayette.edu (KR#4000) writes:
>I want to make note of the real improvements in sound at this year's
>Philadelphia Folk Festival. 

In general, the sound was better than last year, although I felt that
some of the mixing might have been done by someone a bit more accustomed
to handling rock and roll -- the bass and drums sometimes were a bit
too emphasized for my taste.  But the biggest problems seemed to be
associated with the on-stage monitor mix; on many occasions on Saturday
and Sunday night, performers had to request changes in the mix.  (In fact,
Saffire spent much of their set trying to get it right.)

>Any comments about the music?

Sure.  This was the first time that I'd heard many of the performers, and
several of them impressed me very much.  Darden Smith is one of the best
singer-songwriters I've heard in a long time, and has a wonderful gift
for quietly ironic phrases.  John Roberts and Tony Barrand were wonderful;
and their "Three Minute Hamlet" was uproarious.  Zulu Spear is a fascinating
group which blends African folk rhythms with rock and roll hooks to produce
some highly rhythmic and complex music.   Boukman Eksperyans is similar,
with a Haitian/West African influence, and even more emphasis on the
percussive parts.  Both groups also displayed wonderful vocal harmonies.
The Jay Ansill Quintet plays a sort of new-age folk that blends blueglass
and jazz; I s'pose you just have to hear it.  Killbilly is exhausting to
listen to (it's sorta like thrash bluegrass) but amazing to watch.

Some of the other folks that I was looking forward to were no disappointment
either; Saffire is still outrageous and a heck of a lot of fun.  Rory Block
is one of the best roots blues singers and players around; it's incredible
how she can handle Bessie Smith and Robert Johnson just as if she'd been
to the crossroads.  Bill Morrissey was wonderfully entertaining, Johnny
"Clyde" Copeland sizzled, and Beausoleil cajun-boogied through a great set.

The lineup at this year's Folk Fest seemed more diverse than last year;
perhaps it was an attempt to reflect some of the sensibilities of the
growing "world music" genre.  If so, I think the organizers did a nice
job of expanding the festival without losing touch with its roots.

---Rsk
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