From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: *SUMMARY: Please help me! _What_ was that? PLEASE READ!
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:54:50 GMT

In a field fraut with misinformation and less-than-legal govt.
activities, I find this fraudulent post of yours
reprehensible.

You could either be telling the truth OR you ar a
misinformation agent who is telling the truth or you are lying
or an agent and lying.

No matter....I will ...

	1) Ignore all your postings whether information or
	   request

	2) I will place you in my kill file so I will never have
	to waste time with you again

	3) I adjure all other readers to consider the above
	actions against your posting.

This is a free country...yu have the right to BS...and I have
the obligation to delete your material unread.


Len
	 
In article <ulrich03190921015145311@galki.toppoint.de> ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall) writes:
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>Dear a.a.v readers,
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>first of all, I would like to apologize to everyone who read my original
>posting about the Russian UFO.
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>THE WHOLE STORY IS A LIE. I have never been in Russia in all my life.
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>I posted this to find out how people react and whether people would believe
>a story like this. I DID NOT DO THIS TO MAKE FUN OF ANYONE. I do believe
>that it is very well possible that we have had contact with aliens.
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>I realize that many of you are not really impressed to say the least.
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>My main concern is that, after now reading that it was all fake, all those
>people who offered to help me won't believe the next guy who posts a story
>which is true. So please, KEEP ON BELIEVING THOSE PEOPLE SERIOUSLY POSTING
>TO THIS GROUP.
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>I was very impressed by the help so many people offered, and I really felt
>bad about them offering their help to someone who lied to them. I thank
>all of you who did answer to my posting.
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>I got a total of 5 replies, the two follow-ups and a phone call from a guy
>from Germany.
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>Here is what they told me:
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>1) One guy guessed it was a Russian classified vertical takeoff aircraft.
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>2) Two of them wanted to know more about the "sample", where it was now etc.
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>> ... you might describe these more fully.  What do they weigh?  What
>> size?  What shape?  Greyish, as in dark or light grey?  Dull or
>> bright?  Weathered, machined?
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>[I was actually describing a chunk of Silicon I took from an aluminum plant.
>It is really strange stuff - very hard, but still metal-like. I was going to
>give some more hints after reading some of the followups (like "it's got a
>resistance of 500 Ohms from one end to the other"), but I didn't want to lie
>to you any further.
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>3) One concern also mentiuoned was about preserving what I found. This is of
>course very important, and I would recommend everyone hiding A PART of
>something alien they found right away and not even tell anyone about it until
>the time has come.
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>4) Two people mentioned that in Russia, UFOlogy has been taken much more
>seriously than in the West.
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>5) One advice I got that makes sense was TO TAKE SOME SOIL OF AN ENCOUNTER
>SIGHT to check for radiation and bacteria.
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>6) A Special thanks to Garrett for this offer (A follow-up, I hope you don't mind
>me reposting your adress.):
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>> Send a sample of that rock to me, and we will to some FTICR/MS, Xray
>> fluoresence and other tests on it and see what it is made of:
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>>      		Dr. Garrett Van Cleef
>>      		Laser Spectroscopy Facility
>>      		Department of Chemistry
>>      		Box 234
>>      		The Ohio State University
>>                 Columbus, OH 43210
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>7) The guy who called me recommended a german book about all this and gave
>me the adress of a german UFO organization. A special thanks to you.
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>Generally, I was surprised that everyone believed me. Please keep this up! I
>am confident that anyone who experinced something like this can post and
>people will help him.
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>Of course, almost everyone wanted more info. For your amusement, here is what
>I was planning on telling them:
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>The clouds looked like this:-(____)-(____)-(____)-. The sound was 1-2Hz.
>Of course this was supposed to match the "Pulser" aircraft mentioned in the
>FAQ.
>The sample was Silicon (see above).
>The picture disappeared when I had them developed (MIBs?)
>I picked Russia because it makes it harder to check if it really happened.
>
>Again, sorry about all of this,
>       hoping that some of what I found was interesting for you,
>
>                Ulrich
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>Ulrich B. Gall, Seebrooksberg 2, W-2300 Klausdorf, Germany
>Tel.: +49-431-790292, EMail: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de


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