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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 16:13:36 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Aug18.183359.12819@midway.uchicago.edu>,
kristian@dwayne.uchicago.edu (Kristian Simsarian) says:
>
>        What are they?  Anyone used them?  They seem to be some sort
>of center pull compromise.  Are they any good?  The top-level
>touring bike from Performance is equiped with them.  Any reason to have
>these instead of cantilevers on a tourer?

They are a design (on its second go-round with Shimano written on
them (and who knows how many times before under other names)) that seems
to combine the worst of side pull and center pull design, sacrificing
only simplicity in the process. I see no reason to prefer them to good
cantilevers.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins)
Subject: Roof Rack for Subaru Legacy Sedan?????
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:09:02 GMT

This has finally prompted me to ask if anyone has found a rack that
fit the Subaru Legacy SEDAN. Subaru only sells their own rack to fit
their Wagons (salesman tells me that they are Yakima's with Subaru's
name on them). 

Please le me know if anyone has found a successful rack for the 
Legacy Sedan and where I can find one. 

Unrelated inquiry:
Recently Subaru sent me a 'coupon' to come in and test drive 
any new car and they'll give me an official Subaru/Montgomery 
cycling jersey just like the team wears. They said that I deserved
it after riding in the STP Classic (Seattle-to-Portland 200 miler).
Anyone done this yet. They claim it is a $90 jersey. I expect 
it's a good quality jersey but either way it is a great excuse 
to test drive the new SVX.

Mark Collins
markco@lmc.com
-or-
uunet!lauto!markco
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: Bike Shops near Freehold
Organization: Motorola
Date: 21 Aug 1992 12:24:12 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Jean;
As far as I know, there are no really good cycling stores IN
Freehold, but several in the area.  You might try Brielle Cyclery
in (you guessed it, Brielle).  There is also Bicycle World in
Howell (on Rt. 9).  They are NOT a real ultra-service, Campy-
saturated bike shop, but they usually sell entry level bikes at
a bit of a discount.  I have dealt with both shops with few bad
experiences.  (If you want to go as far as Red Bank, look up
Ducky at the Peddler).  He has a line of awesome Italian frames
from Daccordi....
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland Stage 1
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:08:18 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh



>   that he will be riding for Lotus-Festina next year. Of the 4 major
>   professional Dutch teams, only TVM is certain of continued sponsorship.

Was this before or after the sponsors found out that Cees Priem "forgot"
to enter the team for the Grand Prix of the Americas on time ?

--
sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk                        ...ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!sfleming
Errata: For "He shows promise as a software engineer",
   read "He is a very promising software engineer."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag)
Subject: Re: Recumbents-tell me about 'em
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:56:37 GMT

In article <16849B195.M23231@mwvm.mitre.org> M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>Can someone with experience tell me about recumbents? How do you like
>them? What do you notice most that's different about a recumbent as compared
>to a regular bike? How much do they cost, and what makes are best? Are there
>options to be aware of.

The Recumbent Cyclist is a magazine on exactly this topic.  

subscriptions are $20.0 for bulk rate mailing, $25.0 for first class mailing.
You can call the editor in the afternoons (sorry don't have number).  

The address is:

The Recumbent Cyclist
17650-B6-140th Ave SE, Suite 341
Renton, WA  98058
USA

PS.  It can be really hard to find shops that offer recumbents. Last month
I called every shop in the DC metro area asking if they carried recumbents.  
Three responded in the affirmative (you will have to find the numbers).  

They are Bike Path Bicycles (ATP-R20 (my bike), Linear?),
        College Park Bikes (ReBike, Ryan Vanguard),
        Proteus Bike & Fitness, MacArther Blvd (Ryan Vanguard, Linear).

PPS. Recumbents come in two basic flavors: Short Wheelbase and Long Wheelbase.
The Short Wheelbase recumb.s have the gear in front of the front wheel while
the Long Wheelbase recumb.s have the gear behind the front wheel attached
directly to the wheel (this really needs pictures).  

PPPS. there is a group called W.H.I.R.L. that rides recumb.s as a group in
the DC area (number is Vic Sussman 301 897 5959 or Allan Pollock 202 363 2244).

Cheers,
Richard Freytag
From: claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: VETTA 200 Wireless
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:33:14 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1992Aug13.163010.35828@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> deb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DERRICK ERNEST BOUCHER) writes:


>"tyler" writes:

>>I have found a Vetta 200 wireless computer reasonable, and am wondering
>>how well they work.  I'd like to mount the computer on the tip end of
>>my aero bars, like my Vetta C10 is.  Will the transmitter on the front
>>wheel send to the computer ok like this?  Does rain affect communications?
>>Does this computer interfere with the heart-rate monitors, like the Polar
>>units?  Any positive/negative experiences with this unit?  Thanks, tyler
>>N4TY@lexmark.com

>In my experience, the Vetta 200 wireless is very unreliable.  Mine never
>works below 40 Fahrenheit, and sometimes cuts out at warmer temperatures.
>I've replaced the batteries (receiver and transmitter) and tinkered with
>the alignment, all to no avail.

A friend of my has the Cateye and found that it was very unreliable near
any strong radio radiation.  This is a problem if you are keeping track
of average speed and stuff like that.

    2
-- C  --
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From: mrd@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Martin Dix)
Subject: Poulidor's TdF record
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:27:28 GMT

This is from the book "European Cycling" by Noel Henderson.

Poulidor competed in the Tour from 1962 to 1976. His record over this
time was
3rd, 8th, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 9th, DNF, 3rd, 7th, DNS, 3rd, DNF, 2nd, 19th, 3rd

(DNS = Did not start, DNF = Did not finish).

In summary, 2nd three times and 3rd five times (though he was known as
the eternal second). The book suggests that he could have won in 1964
and 1968 if not for some bad luck and poor tactical decisions.

He did win some signficant races: Milan San Remo in 61, Fleche Wallone and 
GP Nations in 63 and the Vuelta in 64. He also won the Super Prestige Pernod 
award for the best rider in 64.

Martin Dix
mrd@dar.csiro.au
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Subject: Re: Drillium
Summary: lighter water bottles through drilling
Keywords: drilling, water bottles, goretex
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:41:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.182551.17309@isrc.sandia.gov> loucks@isrc.sandia.gov (Cliff Loucks) writes:
>>> dick@ncs.com:
>>> >Don't drill out your water bottles.
>
>Actually, I've always wanted a bottle that was drilled with thousands of
>tiny holes so it would be pourous.  Being in the desert southwest,
>where the air is quite dry, a bottle that "sweats" would keep the
>contents cooler through evaporation.
>
>But I couln't find a small enough drill :-).

Why bother to find that small of a drill, when there is already a 
porous plastic film on the market?

Yes, it is time to bring up the Goretex thing again.

One writer suggested drilling the water bottle and then using a plastic
bag as a liner to keep the water in the bottle (presumably the liner 
weighs less than the drilled material).

Goretex would "sweat" to keep you happy, and save about a gram for the 
weight freaks.


My First Disclaimer:  No claims are expressed or implied about the 
suitability of Goretex fabric to this or any other potential use.

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bike cops
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:23:10 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

Now that all these cities are getting bike cops, are they good at
chasing bikers? Leave the motorbikes out.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: mjm@cbnews.cb.att.com (michael.j.maslowski)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Specialized M2 MTB frames
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:31:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I am inquiring about any pros/cons.  

Has anyone had any experience riding on a
M2 frame.  Just looking for any general
comments.

Thanks,
Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Reply-To: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Organization: School of Physics / UNSW
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:30:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.112506.10192@waikato.ac.nz>, jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
|> 
|> Is there anyone on the net who's keeping track of the women's Tour de France
|> that's on at the moment?   Down here I can get about three lines in
|> the paper
|> every other day,  and with a couple of Kiwis in the top ten I'd like
|> to see how
|> they're going. 
|> 
|> E-mail's fine,  it doesn't seem as though the women's side is
|> interesting the newsgroup much (stir stir).

Who cares about the women's Tour ?! (provoke provoke).

SMEE

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    single incandescent beacon of subjective reality in a netherworld of
uncircumscribed
    occidental abstraction reaching out toward a maudlin cosmos of
nothingness....

         Well, I don't understand it either ?!

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From: drobinso@mendel.une.oz.au (    ,,,)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:37:57 GMT
Reply-To: drobinso@mendel.une.oz.au
Originator: drobinso@mendel.une.oz.au

> In article <Bsu5ot.BEo@well.sf.ca.us>, marquis@well.sf.ca.us (Roger Marquis) writes:
> 
> I'd agree with you if I had the freedom to choose not to pay for the costs of
> injured, helmetless cyclists.  Those costs include direct medical costs,

I partly agree.  But if a cyclist, helmeted or not, is injured through no
fault of his own, by a car driver slamming into him, that motorist, or his
insurance should be responsible for ALL these costs.  Think of the 
implications of the alternative.

Besides, making helmets compulsory in NSW, Australia, increased helmet use
from perhaps 20% to 80% of all cyclists, but, compared with the previous
two years, the reduction in deaths and serious injuries to adults was less
than 5% (see previous posting this week).  And some, if not all of that 
reduction would be due to fewer cyclists.

The biggest inroads on costs whould come from tackling the other 95%
The difference in death rates per 100 million km cycled has been estimated as 
30.2 on rural major roads, 15.3 on urban major roads and 3.3 on urban minor
roads.  Where you cycle therefore has a bigger effect on safety, than whether
you wear a helmet, even though this may save your life 50% of the time.
Taking your argument further, perhaps those who cycle on dangerous roads 
should be liable for the costs?  

Since cycling seems to have got much more dangerous in the 18 months following 
complusory helmet legislation, I'm critically aware of this.  Depending on
traiffic conditions, I now often have to double my journey time by descending 
an extremely steep hill, following a narrow, windy bike path, giving way at all 
road crossings, and then, of course, climb back up the other side of the hill.

A better variant of your argument would be first ensure the tax on tobacco
covered the health costs associated with its use (which it sure doesn't
in many countries at the momement) and same for the costs of using cars,
for which, (figures detailed quite comprehensively by a post I read in 
rec.bicycles some months ago), the wallets of bicycle and less frequent 
car users are suffering very heavily indeed.

At least we should all be agreed on that!
Cheers,  Dorothy.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 04:04:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug17.234150.20176@mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:
>
>As long as the gas tax does not exceed previous total levels of
>taxation, why would it destroy our standard of living?  The same way
>(rightly or wrongly) that tariffs encourage local industry, a gas tax
>discourages burning petroleum.  As long as the total tax burden is
>unchanged, effects on the economy as a whole should be modest.

Excuse me Ed, but that is the great lie of the tax generation. This
government has proven itself completely incapable of limiting, let
alone intelligently planning taxation at virtually any level.

While I agree with you that changing the tax source but not the
tax burden _could_ give incentives, I suggest that that is pure
speculation and certainly not backed up with any evidence.

Tampering with present tax codes as is suggested might just as easily
produce entirely different incentives than those desired. It has 
has happened before. Remember the IRA?
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drillium
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:27:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Aug14.182705.10939
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery) writes:
: Back in the '70s drilling equipment was the fashion.  I think we did it 
: because the Europros did it (or at least we imagined they did it).
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey!  No imagination was required.  I still have many photos of Eddy
with drilled out brake levers, chainrings, and even brake calipers.  I
don't recall ever seeing him riding with a drilled out rear derailleur,
but that's actually one of the safest, most reliable pieces to hack on.

: The
: equipment broke and was almost certainly aerodynamically inferior.

The only drilled item I ever broke was a pair of handlebars which I had
drilled for finger tip shift cables.  I was definitely an agressive
driller.  To tell the truth, as I was falling when the 'bars broke on a
steep uphill, I was sure I had just ripped apart one of my massively
drilled out brake levers.  Those levers (Universals) never failed me.  I
might still use them if I could get hoods :-(, although their mechanical
advantage is poor.

Harry "State Jr. TT champ 1974" Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:24:21 CST

Fear is the biggest obstacle when it comes to decending.  To overcome it you
just have to gradually become accostumed to riding at speed.  And since you
say there are no hills to train on in your area, the only way to try to duplica
te high speed riding is to do motorpacing with a motorcycle.  This is great
training for time trials too.  But unfortunately this is illegal to do in most
if not all areas.  The only other advice I can give you is just to RELAX and
keep your eyes open.  Don't try any of those outrageous 'tucks', one unexpected
rough section, gravel, or other debri will send you scrapping down the hill.
Good luck on future descents!
Conrad--------------
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Subject: Re: Training for time trials, criteriums, etc
In-reply-to: rhealy@arrl.org's message of 13 Aug 92 20:04:02 est
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:25:40

In article <410@arrl.org> rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L) writes:
   Does anyone here know of any good books on training for bike 
   racing?

   Thanks in advance.

   --Rus
These are three classics:
Bicycle Road Racing, Edward Borysewicz, 1985, ISBN 0-941950-07-7

Greg LeMond's Complete Book of Bicycling, Greg LeMond and Kent Gordis,
1987, ISBN 0-399-13229-5

Training for Cycling, Connie Carpenter and Davis Phinney, 1992, ISBN?
My copy is in Ephraim, Utah :-(

--
Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stork+@cs.cmu.edu (David Zabowski)
Subject: Tour Request: Pittsburgh PA - Washington DC
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:48:56 GMT


Folks,

A friend and I are planning a short tour from Pittsburgh, PA to
Washington, DC over labor day weekend.  I would appreciate hearing
from anybody who has done this or is simply familiar with either
Central PA or Northern Maryland and West Virgina cycling.  Of course,
must sees and must avoids are of particular interest.  We don't have a
route or a plan or anything, just a goal.  Thanks.

Stork

-- 

David Zabowski
Research Programmer, School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh PA 15213
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: seligman@CS.Stanford.EDU (Scott Seligman)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Aug13.162441.7209@adobe.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:38:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.162441.7209@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
> Scott Seligman writes
> 
>> You should
>> avoid the front brake only when conditions are such that
>> using it would cause your front wheel to skid.
> 
> No, the front tire shouldn't skid -
> you would be over the front wheel long before that.

On a clean, dry road, quite right.  I should have said "skid or launch".
The point is the same, though, and we seem to agree now.  The front
brake is your friend.


Scott Seligman

Internet:  seligman@CS.Stanford.EDU
UUCP:      {uunet,decwrl,sun}!cs.stanford.edu!seligman
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Sweat
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:38:07 GMT

> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>
>>My problem is that I sweat more than I can replace during a long
>>run, ride, or triathlon. 

In article <33050135@hpmwgde2.sr.hp.com> budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud
Noren) responds:  

>As far as I know, the only solution is to try and drink more during your 
>rides and runs.
>
>-Bud

I don't believe you can do it.  The real key is an hydration regimen
every day, all day.  What you do related to exercise (before starting,
during, and immediate post-) is additional.  Hydration is also part
and parcel of diet and fueling on-bike.

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: PowerBars for $.99 each
Keywords: PowerBar
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:43:05 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In the spirit of the recent discussion on why PowerBars are banned in
Canada (as if I cared) I thought I'd pass on a recent discovery: the
Molly Stone's market in Redwood City (on Hwy 84 [aka Woodside Rd.] a block
or two west of El Camino) has them for $.99 each.  That's their regular
price rather than a promotional thing.

I've never been to the Redwood City Molly's, but shop at the Palo Alto one
several times a week.  Last night I asked a checker if the promotional $.99
price they had for a few weeks after first stocking PowerBars was likely to
be repeated.  He told me that the price was not promotional, but was raised
after PowerFoods hassled them because of complaints from local bike shops.
The Palo Alto store may reduce the price again in a few weeks, but for some
reason the Redwood City Store never raised it.

I called the Redwood City store this morning to confirm the price.  It's true.
When I asked the guy who answered the phone if he minded if I told a few
thousand people he replied "That's what it will take to keep the price that
low."  Happy shopping!

(BTW, would anyone care to speculate on why a grocery store has such a low
price on these things?  My best guess is that the wholesale price, when 
plugged into the typical supermarket formula for calculating retail price,
yields $.99, and that bike shops use a different formula or are more used to
using the MSRP.  If this is true then PowerFoods' decision to break out into
mainstream retail should eventually make the price everywhere more in line
with what I'd call reasonable.  Either that or their high margins will
attract the attention of a General Foods, but that's another story....)
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:33:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Harry, try this: wait for a day when the wind is blowing about
30 mph or more. Go out with your bike to a road that is
dead down wind. Come to a stop and wait to see how fast the 
wind will blow you.

I've tried it. I didn't move. Rolling resistance was minimum at this
time, not the rolling resistance of 150 mph. I tried rolling
at 15 mph and coasting. I came to a stop.

I'm sure that you could get considerable power out of a 100 mph
wind or even a 60 mph wind. But how much that is is probably still
pretty small compared to the rolling resistance at 150 mph.

Remember, even though the recirculating flow may have a fairly
large percentage of the external airstream (did the guy say 25%?)
you would still have to couple it to the bicycle and a rider isn't
exactly a perfect drag body.
From: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: recumbents - hpv
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:08:13 EST
Reply-To: "gary walsh" <gary.walsh@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

in  message: <71085#apple.Apple.COM>
anderson@Apple.COM (Clark Anderson)CA> writes:

CA>When I was commuting on my recumbent, I couldn't climb as fast as
CA>the diamond-frame bikes, but with or without a fairing I could
CA>blow them away on the downhills or flats. Having your lower back
CA>braced against a seat sure lets you pour it on...

On my underseat steering Linear, I don't feel comfortable at high speed
going downhill.  Hitting a bump at high speed has a tendancy to cause
me to bounce, threatening to cause me to lose grip on the handle bars.
It would be nice to have rear suspension.
On the flat, many people pass me, particularly if there is a headwind,
although not as many as in the spring after a sedentary winter.  When
I can afford it, I may switch to a faster recumbent, maybe a Tour Easy
or a Kingcycle.

          gary.walsh@canrem.com  |  Written in East York, Ontario.
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