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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: System 7 & Adobe Illustrator 3.0
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 03:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.152817.2273@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> fitzpajp@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>I am having problems running Adobe Illustrator 3.0 on system 7.  I can not get
>text to be viewed or printed.  I also can not get any other fonts to load
>except the basic system fonts.  If anyone knows a solution to my problem,
>please post a message or send e-mail.  Thanks in advance.

Okay, before anybody flames this guy for being "so stupid" as to try to
run Illustrator 3.0 under System 7 (when he "has" to upgrade to v. 3.2) I
happen to be running Illustrator 3.0 under System 7.1 on a Mac SE with
4MB/20MB HD. How's _that_ for eclectic?

My questions are:
Do you have a copy of ATM 2.0 or higher? ATM 2.0 with a compatible version
of Suitcase will allow you to have Postscript fonts in any folder that has
an open suitcase. (I created a "PostScript Fonts" folder, and keep the
printer file and their respective bitmaps in it.) ATM 2.0 will not only
allow you to use the printer files in lieu of bitmaps, but you can also
use ATM to "capture" the outlines, so you can edit them or have text in a
file without having to worry about having the font when you finally print
it out. If you are using System 7.1, I'd suggest getting a copy of ATM
3.0; it's cheap, and you don't have to worry about locating the fonts in
the Extensions Folder or the Fonts Folder; ATM 3.0 looks in both places.

I have learned that, on my computer anyway, you can locate all of your
fonts in the Fonts Folder in System 7.1 and Illustrator can find them. So
I can assume that you could get away with having them in the Extensions
Folder of 7.0.x without any snags.

Hope this helps!
Jay (=
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From: mjk@suned1.nswses.navy.mil (Michael J Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: HP DeskJet hookup to Mac IIci
Keywords: DeskJet,Mac IIci
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:46:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: US Navy (NSWSES)

Just spoke to an HP rep and he told me of several products
that may do the trick.  I'd like to know if anyone has
recommendations for or against any of these.

	MacPrint from Insight Development

	PowerPrint from GDT Softworks

	Grappler from Orange Micro

E-mail preferred.

Michael
mjk@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: wiseb@fomalhaut.cs.rpi.edu (Bowden Wise)
Subject: Intermitten Disk Error
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:04:02 GMT

I have a MAC SE with two 800K internal floppies and an exteran Emac
40MB hard drive.  I am using Sytem 7 and have applied the TuneUp disk.

I keep getting the following error message when I try to run the
VersaTerm PRO application:

  Application quit due to unexpected disk error 15

I keep clicking on the icon for VersaTerm until it eventually
launches.  Sometimes I must do this 15-20 times.  Does anyone have any
idea what is wrong here?

If possible reply by email, as I am not reading this group regularly.
Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: WoldScript 1 Extension, Does it live?
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:56:03 GMT

Craig Richmond - division (craig@ec.uwa.oz.au) wrote:
: 
: Best reasoning here I have is that they have problems with how to market
: the products.  To do it properly, you have to create english documentation
: for each language module for sale in english speaking countries.  Then you
: have to create Japanese documenation for all Language modules for sale in
: Japanese speaking countries, etc, etc.  I have been told by an Apple Rep
: that Kanji and French should be available early in the new year as
: Worldscript modules unlike Kanjitalk 7 which is apparently a localised
: version of 7.X and is not in fact a proper worldscript 7.1 system.

Why? Can't they just suppose that people who want the Japanese script know
how to read Japanese? If I don't know Arabic, why would I want to use the
Arabic script system?

I hope Apple will fix whatever is required to start distributing the script
systems. I've been playing with some of the script systems from the 7.1 beta
CD, and it really looks neat!

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus software
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:11:42 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


Leon> There are various anti-virus packages available.
Leon> Can anyone recommend one. I have access to ....

Eric> Get SAM.  Symantec gives good support although you pay a lot


	you lost me, Eric.  Why recommend the MOST EXPENSIVE solution?!?

	I recommend that you use Disinfectant, Leon, and add GateKeeper
	if you feeled inclined to take a little extra trouble to be part
	of the "early warning system" of (power-) users who are likely
	to be the ones to discover, catch, and warn about new viruses...

	if you can afford to spend some money, consider paying Jeff the
	shareware fee for VD, if you got lots of money (for updates also)
	get SAM in addition to all of the above!
-- 
  werner@cs.utexas.edu |  ..!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!werner | werner@UTXVM.bitnet

              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
From: wrowe@reed.edu ( )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: A/ROSE
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:45:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec13.014516.20431
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

Can anyone tell me what the A/ROSE extension does? It came bundled with my
system software direct from the factory, and the documentation that came with
my new IIvx is anything but helpful.

And why don't they include a list of system errors? Is it really just to make
you fork over some more $$$ for additional documentation? I remember a few Sys6
programs that revealed what the system number errors were...is there an 
equivalent for Sys7?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: drew@netcom.com (drew)
Subject: Re: Problem with Jasmine disk under system 7.0.1 on plus and SE
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:31:11 GMT

silverlining works for me in same situation.
-drew@netcom.com

In article <Bz7FvL.7J8@acsu.buffalo.edu> zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:
>In a previous message, David_Martyn@mindlink.bc.ca (David Martyn) says:
>
>>The problem you are having is with the Jasmine Driveware which never got
>>updated to work with System 7.  Since Jasmine is out of business you will
>>have to try your luck with a third party driver - I am using Drive 7 on a
>>very old Jasmine MegaDrive 20 and it works except I have to manually eject
>>the disk.
>
>Actually, Jasmine DriveWare *was* updated -- version 2.0 is available
>and is compatible with System 7.  It's marketed by Seagull Software;
>I don't know the number offhand, but it was listed in MacUser a few
>issues ago.  Perhaps someone else knows the contact number?
>
>  -- Dave
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: PB 160/ Sys 7.1
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 15:13:25 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Keywords: cumulative system size

In article <1992Dec13.140741.21911@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wbecktel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wayne J Becktel) writes:
>
>ACTION             SYS SIZE        APP SIZE        TOTAL      DIFF
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>start              1239              0             1239          0
>open desk top      1244              0             1244          5
>close desk top     1244              0             1244          5
>open teach text    1265            192             1457        218
>close              1246              0             1246          7
>open               1269            192             1461        222
>close              1251              0             1251         12
>sleep/restart      1269              0             1269         30
>open teach text    1293            192             1485        246
>close              1269              0             1269         30
>open resedit       1308            500             1808        569
>close              1290              0             1290         51
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>     Now, I am not a computer scientist, I am a biochemist.  Having written
>that, I would be very much interested in an explanation of why one would design
>an operating system to do what is reproduced above.  I haven't been able to
>reproduce this using my Mac IIcx with Sys 6.0.7.  Off the cuff, it doesn't seem
>particularly desirable in limited memory systems to have an operating system
>which erodes usable memory with each action.

I don't think you WOULD _DESIGN_ one this way.  Perhaps it is a bug
(of a nasty, hard to find variety known as a 'memory leak').
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
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From: grobbins@Apple.COM (Grobbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Snap-shots of pup-up menus? (help)
Summary: stillDown does it for free
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:24:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.75815
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: None.

In article <BzJAu9.Ftt@eis.calstate.edu> tnakada@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Nakada) writes:
>yuri@sanken.osaka-u.JUNET (Yuri A. Tijerino) writes:
>> Does anyone know how to take snap-shots of the screen under system 7
>> when a pop-up menu or a regular menu is active?  
>Try the shareware FlashIt! at sumex-aim.standford.edu
>Or you can go commercial and try Capture or Exposure Pro for more money.

Or for no-frills freeware, here is a tiny extension, "stillDown", which
simply makes FKEYs work while menus are open.  With this installed,
Command-Shift-3 can be used to capture menus.

Grobbins              grobbins@apple.com

Usual disclaimers apply.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: steve@intellection.com (Steve Martin)
Subject: Re: Initial look: Norton Essentials for PowerBook (was GUM)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
	<jdurham-151292075357@148.171.33.144>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:15:30 GMT


I also favor NEP over CPU.  The time remaining estimate seems more
accurate.  I like the "by application" settings, so the processor
doesn't rest when I'm using Hypercard but does when I switch to Word.
It stupidly tries to put the Docked Duo to sleep which results in a a
dialog box from the system saying you can't sleep the machine.  This
is a pain because I would like it to sleep when powered and not docked
but I have to leave the A/C setting to sleep never to prevent the
stupid dialog tying up my machine.

The Instant Access feature is OK.  My problem is that when I get ready
to print something, I turn on the printer.  It then takes some time (5
minutes?)  for NEP to figure out that I am on a network unless I tell
it to scan by typing the hot key.  This is fine for me but my wife
doesn't care to remember junk like that.  The result will be "please
turn on appletalk" warnings from PrintMonitor I'm sure.  I would be
happy with appletalk on when powered, off when on battery.

Other stupidity.  The fact that someone actually wrote an airport
module and documented it without mentioning the fact that you can just
hold down the shift key to start up the mac quickly is stupifying.
Its not like their module is faster than holding down the shift key,
or easier to remember, its completely redundant and useless.

Also, Instant Access makes all these claims about how having Appletalk
turned off saves 200K of memory and since they turn it off when you
are not connected to the network you will save that memory is suspect
to me.  I've looked in About Macintosh when IA has turned AT on and
again when it turned it off and I didn't see any significant memory
changes.




-- 
Steve Martin
From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: MacRecorder Driver 1.0.2
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:05:49 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: SDSU - LARC
NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu

I put MR driver 1.0.2 in my extensions folder but when i go to the Sound
control panel, no macrecorder.
What gives?
Jeff.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dcbii@rob.raleigh.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Macintalk
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:19:01 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina


h8925528@d26.wu-wien.ac.at (Michael Fritscher) writes:

>I tried a program which can read out what you've typed into your Mac, but it
>doesn't work because it requires a driver called "Macintalk". I'd be happy if
>someone knew if "Macintalk" works with System 7 and wether it is available as
>shareware or freeware or how I can get it.

I don't know if this is available from a shareware or freeware source.  One
place it is definitely available is from Baseline in their "Talking Moose"
product.  No matter what you think of the moose (I rather like him, myself),
if you want Macintalk, it is worth getting this package.  The Macintalk that
they include is indeed System 7 compatible, and I've tried it with various
programs that use Macintalk (i.e. MacTrek) and it works great.  I am using
it with System 7.1 on a IIcx.  I don't use virtual memory or 32-bit
addressing, so I don't know if it works in those circumstances.

If you can't find Talking Moose locally, you can certainly get it from
Mac[Connection,Warehouse] and probably other such dealers.

Hope this helps,

Dave Barnhart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center)
Subject: Floppy Disk Icons?
Summary: System 7 won't display the color icon
Keywords: floppy disk icons
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:14:30 GMT

I thought I'd start my posting career (I'm rather new here) with a little 
problem that's been bugging me since System 7 first came out.
 
Why is it that a generic floppy disk (ie one without a custom icon)k
displays the plain vanilla B&W floppy disk ICON, when an inspection of the
icon resource in the Finder (either that or the System, I forget which now)
shows all the different color (read grey shaded) icons for the disk just like 
the trash Icon and other????????
 
Please tell me that there is a fix... I can't stand it anymore... 
It offends my color monitor... it plays tricks with my eyes...
 
and it down right silly.....
 
 
TED
From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Using "FIND" for backup in System 7?
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:55:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Dec17.045521.5664
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

Someone suggested using the Finder's "Find" for making backups.  I can
set it to "All at Once" and "file created after xxx".  Then all those
files are highlighted -- but so are the folder names containing them.
Anyone know a way to only select the files and not the folders?
Otherwise the backups are too gross...

.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi)
Subject: Re: HELP: IIsi with SLOW hard drive
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:11:15 GMT

news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:

>From article <1992Dec5.175811.6881@sol.UVic.CA>, by pdemers@sol.UVic.CA (Patrick Demers):
>> 	The stock 80 Meg hard disk on my IIsi has gone down in performance 
>> since I bought my machine 13 months ago.  It now performs painfully slowly 
>> (index of 0.57 according to Speedometer 3.1).  I recently got a disk 
>> defragmenter (DiskExpress II), but that didn't seem to do anything 
>> (Speedometer still at 0.57).
>> 

I have the similar experience.
If I turn off auto-doubler then I get the original performance.
If I turn on auto-doubler then I get about 0.57.
(I can not remember the exact number.)

Do anybody have similar experience?

Choi
choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu
From: hise@iastate.edu (Allan R Hise)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Question - Pers LW LS v7.1
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:07:34 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <1992Dec15.131952.7020@mail.cornell.edu> las1@Cornell.EDU (Larry Slack) writes:

>Is there any difference between the new Personal Laserwriter LS driver
>(v7.1) and the old (v7.0) ?   The "Prep" file seem to be exactly the same
>(v1.0, exact same number of bytes).

>I tried it under system 7.0.1 with tune-up 1.1.1, and didn't notice a big
>difference.

Yes, there is a slight difference.  The new 7.1 driver will print a
bit faster.  Maybe some other things too.
Also, you don't need the "prep" file under system 7

>Comments?  Thanks.

>Larry Slack




Allan
hise@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Problem with Jasmine disk under system 7.0.1 on plus and SE machines
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:38:07 GMT

rmz@ifi.uio.no (Bj|rn Remseth) writes:
: 
: I have an old Jasmine DirectDrive 100 that causes Mac plus  and and SE
: machines to freeze up during system startup.  The symptoms are:
: 
:    1) The machine boots from another disk running system seven
:    2) The startup sequence seems to be going normally until it should
:       look up the jasmine drive and place its icon on the desktop.
:    3) At that time the drive light on the jasmine turns red, 
:       stays red, and the machine freezes up.  It isn't even possible
:       to move the cursor with the mouse.
: 
: I tried this on two  different Mac SE machines, and  one Mac Plus, and
: the  behaviour is the   same on all  machines.   An  SE-30  will  boot
: normally, the jasmine disk comes up as usual and nothing freezes.
: 
: If the bug is in  the disk drive itself,  it  must be a rather  subtle
: one, as the disk seems to be working all right on  all of the machines
: above when they are running system six or lower.
: 
: This is a problem as my home box is an old  plus, don't plan  to buy a
: new machine anytime soon, but would like to run system 7 very soon.
: 
: My   theory is that  there  is   some kind of   bug   or  at least  an
: incompatibilty in the  SCSI driver code in 7.0.1.  that will only bite
: older machines. Does  anyone know if a  newer version of the system or
: some of the tuneup kits will fix this problem?
: 
Close... not a bug, but the driver for the Jasmine drive is not System 7
compatible.  Try to get a copy of Silverlining or one of the other 3rd
party disk formatters if you can.

BTW, System 7 on a Plus is not going to leave you much memory for applications
to run in.  Unless there is something you gotta have from 7.x why not just
stick with 6.0.5?

Remember, the above free advice is worth what you paid for it.

Greg.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Re: HP DeskJet hookup to Mac IIci
Organization: Grumman Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:13:58 GMT

Try PowerPrint from GDT, list is about $100, has a variety of drivers,
background print spooler, and comes with a cable which provides parallel to
MAC-serial conversion.  I use it with a DeskJet Portable on my PB.
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From: JohnM._Stafford@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Printing Japanese fonts
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:29:37 GMT
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.

ATM would be the best solution unless you can find Japanese True Type fonts.
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC