HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pierce@radius.com (Pierce T. Wetter III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Radius Pivot/Pivot LE
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:01:38 GMT
Organization: Skylab Team
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <14374@mindlink.bc.ca> Scott Macrae,
Scott_Macrae@mindlink.bc.ca writes:
>Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the Radius Color Pivot
and
>the Color Pivot LE?

   The Color Pivot works with onboard video, so you don't need a video
card.
   The Color Pivot also has two operating modes: WYSIWYG (72 dpi) and
standard
   Apple Full Page mode (82 dpi).
   
   Summary:
       Color Pivot: 640x870, 564x760   (standard and WYSIWYG) (no video
card on 
	          IIci, Quadra, IIsi)
	   Color Pivot LE: 832x624 (slightly less resolution) requires video
card all macs.
	   
	   
  For your case (SE/30) you need a video card. Your decision is whether
or not you want
    WYSIWYG mode.
	
  The Color Pivot is a little higher quality monitor (tougher specs).
  
  
  (Oh and lest I forget, the Pivot LE is cheaper).
  
  
> Is either model upgradeable to 24-bit at a later date?

  24 bit pivoting is only available on the Quadras with onboard video.
Which of course
  means that you can only get 24 bit pivoting with the regular pivot on a
Quadra.
  
  Otherwise, you can buy our Precision Color 24xp card ($599) you just
won't be able to
   Pivot. Except you have an SE/30 and the Color pivot card is the only
color card we 
   make for the SE/30. So you can't get 24 bit.
   
  If you're not Pivoting, the regular pivot is a Full Page display in
normal operation
    while the LE Pivot is a standard wider-then-it-is-tall display.


> Are the cards the same for each model; if not, what are the difference
in
>features and hardware?

   Cards are the same.
   
> Where are the best prices likely to be found?

  Mail order.
  
>What sort of speed degradation would occur on an SE-30? Is there any
kind of
>onboard acceleration?

   None. The card does the pivoting in hardware. The onboard video
operation
   uses memory & cpu time on your motherboard.
   
> Finally, any pertinent observations -- pro or con -- from pivot users
would be
>appreciated.

    Full page displays are really nice to have. Its very nice having the
monitor
	be the size of the page.
	
	My personal opinion is that a Pivot gives you 75% of the functionality
of a
	2 page displays at 1/4 the price.
	
Pierce
From: irwin@sealy.uchicago.edu (Mark Irwin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac II differences
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:14:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Chicago

In article <1992Aug20.055642.18752@morrow.stanford.edu> HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) writes:
>In article <ha#nk0a.bskendig@netcom.com>,
>bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>>
>>                CPU     Speed   Coproc-         Int
>>Machine         68xxx   (MHz)   essor?  Slots   mike?
>>
>>II              020     16      yes     6       no
>>IIx             030     16      yes     6       no
>>IIvi            030     16      no      3       yes
>>IIcx            030     20      yes     3       no
>>IIsi            030     20      no      1       yes
>>IIci            030     25      yes     3       no
>>IIvx            030     32      yes     3       yes
>>IIfx            030     33      yes     6       no
>>
>>Now where did I go wrong?  ;)
>>
>IIcx             030     16 (not 20)
>IIfx             030     40 (not 33)
>
>Not bad for from memory, though.
>
>Mark Rogowsky
>rogo@forsythe.stanford.edu

One more minor correction.  The math coprocessor on the IIsi is an
available option (comes with the Nubus or PDS30 adaptor).

Mark


Mark Irwin     Dept of Statistics, Univ of Chicago
irwin@galton.uchicago.edu
irw1@midway.uchicago.edu
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From: weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:16:35 GMT
	<1992Aug14.143023.16072@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
	<2A8DE726.2151@orion.oac.uci.edu>
	<1992Aug17.132220.21305@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Reply-To: weigert@mcs.anl.gov
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba-shi, Japan


>Keep one more thing in mind, the IIsi and the IIci can run System 6.x
>(the si can only run 6.07 and later) while the new machine will only be
>able to run system 7 and later.  This may be a disadvantage for some
>people.

BVH>     While I agree that this could be useful information to keep in mind,
BVH> how in the world could this be "a disadvantage for some people"?

How about wanting to run software or hardware that does not work under
system 7; for example, the TI MicroExplorer Lisp board, or Apple's A/UX
version 2.0.1, in case you do not want to take the significant financial
(and performance) hit of upgrading to 3.0.

Cheers, Thomas.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi)
Subject: SUPER FAST/CHEAP PCMIA (?) cards?
Reply-To: ttak@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:55:18 GMT


Let me start this post off by asking if flash chips and PCMIA (or PCIMA,
don't remember it right) are synonymous.

OK, I've been reading short clips about this new storage technology
in MacWeek.  What I know is that it might be $20 per card, which,
I think can hold about a gig?  And it will be fast enough to act
as RAM, as well as disk storage.  Is this true?  When will it be out?
About how much would the special drive for this be?

If I remember these details correctly, its going to pretty much
change computing as we know it, to a certain point!

Kenji Takeuchi (please answer direct to ttak@midway.uchicago.edu)
From: svsolanalos@pro-freedom.cts.com (Sheldon Nalos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug17.213500.1162
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

>Keep one more thing in mind, the IIsi and the IIci can run System 6.x
>(the si can only run 6.07 and later) while the new machine will only be
>able to run system 7 and later.  This may be a disadvantage for some
>people.

The reason it could be a disadvantage is that some mega speed freaks who
have no use for System 7's GREAT features use System 6.x since it is
faster.

Sheldon Nalos

While the above opinions are my own, I have only recently been informed of
them.

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From: hmayor@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Heather Mayor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Powerbook 100 modem
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:13:10 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

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From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: MacinPlay Digest
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:34:29 GMT
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


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subscription information, or suggestions, comments or requests. We're
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and lets amke the project work!

Travis Grundke- Contributing Editor
-- 
 "When I was young we got our first color TV set and our neighbor kids got
jealous 'cause their parents wouldn't buy one. So the parents put red green 
and blue celophane on it and called it color...now they have Windows 3.1"
    Travis Grundke --- an780@Cleveland.Freenet.edu --- Cleveland, Ohio
From: wstomv@wsinpa01.win.tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: How do I (dis)mount internal floppy drive in SE/30 ?
Keywords: Internal floppy drive, SE/30, mounting instructions, dust protection
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:40:52 GMT
Reply-To: wstomv@win.tue.nl
Organization: Eindhoven Univ. of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <3967@svin02.info.win.tue.nl> wstomv@win.tue.nl writes:
>I recently obtained a dust cover for the interal floppy drive of my SE/30.
>This is to prevent the fan from sucking in dust through the floppy drive.
>Now I need to install it.  Therefor one needs to dismount the internal
>floppy drive, slide it into the cover, and remount it.
>
>How do I (dis)mount the internal floppy drive in the SE/30 ?
>In what order should I unscrew what parts ?
>It seems like a tight jungle out there !

I got only two responses, but they helped.  Here is the gist:

   From hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu Sat Aug 15 03:14:02 1992

   Open the case, remove the PCB on the neck of the CRT, so you won't break
   it. Remomove logic board.  Now from below you can remove the 4 screws
   that keeps the floppy/harddisk unit in place. Then carefully mangle it
   out. Remove 2 screws on each side of the floppy drive bracket. Take the
   drive out. Put it in the cover. Slide it back, and reverse above steps.
   -- 
   Povl H. Pedersen             hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu

To remove the logic board you need to unplug THREE connectors
(one molex for power, one narrow flat cable to floppy drive, and one
wide flat cable to hard disk).  The molex connector (in my machine) has
a catch that needs to be unlocked by pushing it towards the connector.
There is also a two wire connector (to speaker or so), but you can leave
that connected, unless you want to separate the logic board all the way.
The logic board comes out with a "clever" slide-rotate-slide move
(look at the rail in which it slides).

WARNING:  Note that the tube may still be charged to a high voltage
after the power is switched off.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Help.12" monitor flicker/shimmy problem
From: garks@otago.ac.nz
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:20:15 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Can anybody explain why my 12" RGB monitor (LC) has started to flicker/shimmer
noticably over the last couple of days?
I have just shifted into another room, could it be that the external (window)
light is hitting the screen at a different angle to what I was previously used
to, and now I notice an 'inherent' shimmer.
It's not really the same as the frequency refresh flicker that monitors have,
but more of a slight and subtle 'shimmy' to it.  Sorry if this description is a
little clumsy but it's really the only way to describe the effect.
The monitor was new when I bought it 1 1/2 years ago.
Help please before I chunder on the keyboard!
Alistair Hay
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: lasleyse@wam.umd.edu (Scott E. Lasley)
Subject: SCSI Id assignment
Keywords: SCSI ID
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: um
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:09:41 GMT

We recently had problems with a MacIIcx not recognizing 
a new Quantum 240 hard disk attached to it.  The company
we bought the drive from claims that they connected it to
an IBM and it works fine.  They think that our setup was
incorrect.  We set the SCSI ID to 2, and they are telling 
us that it should have been set to 1.

1) Do the IDs have to be sequential?  i.e.  The internal HD
is device 0. Does the next hard drive attached have to have
ID=1, or can I assign an arbitrary number between 0 and 7?

2) A friend of mine told me that device IDs 0, 1, and 2 are
reserved for hard disks and that numbers above 2 are reserved
for removeable media and other devices.  Is this correct?

Thanks,

Scott Lasley    lasleyse@wam.umd.edu
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From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Problem:  SE formats HD floppy as DD, but LC rejects it...why?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:30:15 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco

In article <1992Aug17.200351.2274@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> darylb@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>I know that the behavior described is indeed the way the Mac
>does things, but it seems kind of silly.  DOS machines routinely
>"adapt" to the format of the floppy inserted into the drive,
>provided the drive is capable of writing the format the disk is
>using.  My 1.4 MB drive has no problem at all recognizing and properly
>using 720K diskettes without being told which it is.

Huh?  I use a PS/2 tower machine, and no matter what kind of disk I
put in the drive, when I enter the 'format' command, it _always_ tries
to format the disk as high density.  Then I always have to go fishing
for the DOS manual so I can remember the command-line option to make
the machine format the disk at the correct density.

I don't understand what you mean by Macs 'not adapting' to different
capacities.  If you put a disk in a Mac, it will always read, write,
and format it at the correct density, no matter if you're using
double-density or high-density.  (The only Macs that can't cope with
high density disks were discontinued four years ago.)

As for the LC II question: you shouldn't be using an HD disk in a Plus
anyway!  Unless you accept the fact that your data may become
unreadable at any moment, that is.  I won't go into the details here,
because they've been rehashed umpteen times in this newsgroup already,
but suffice it to say that you shouldn't ever format HD disk as DD, or
vice-versa.

Maybe the LC II ought to notice that the HD disk is formatted as DD,
and tell you the problem, and offer to reformat the disk and copy the
data back onto it for you, but it doesn't, so this is just another
case where the user has to be careful not to misformat disks.

     << Brian >>

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Subject: Re: Video Toaster Comments
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 01:18:19 GMT


 If I'm not mistaken, NewTek makers of the famed Video Toaster will soon
be releasing a version of the Toaster on NUBUS for the Macintosh.
-- 
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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PB HD Warning
Date: 13 Aug 1992 13:11:03 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu



> is "sleep" good enough before moving a PB?

	the manual states to shut it down (but it does not enumerate or
	warn about the exact concerns and dangers);

	I suspect that "sleeping" would be ok sometimes, EXCEPT that
	as the machine is still on, the battery gets drained (faster)
	and that motion and pressures might cause the drive to wake/spin
	up, and that would be BAD NEWS indeed....

	my car manual also states to turn off the engine, remove the
	keys and set the parking breaks, without going into any great
	details as to the relative/comparitive risks (which depend on
	the situation, crossing the English Channel on a ferry in a
	storm is certainly a different concern from the corner shopping
	center parking lot ... ;-)
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From: dskeeler@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dennis S. Keeler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Techworks Ethernet IIsi & A/UX 3.0 problems
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:10:58 GMT
Organization: Miami University


	Has anyone had any luck using Techworks Ethernet IIsi with A/UX 3.0?
	I got their A/UX 3.0 drivers and installed off the SE/30 diskette. I
then had to edit /etc/install.d/master.d/ae6 for newconfig to recognize the
card. (The SE/30 card has an id of 852, the IIsi of 1104). Verbose newconfig
says I have something else (id 40, slot 14) which it can't find a driver for.
Is this related?
	Anyway, when the newconfig is all over, I get the message that no
Ethernet cards are found. So when I do a newconfig bnet, I am never asked for
an IP address, hostname, etc.
	Also, I can't get Ethertalk in A/UX to work over this card. I had to
hack the installer script just to install the Ethertalk IIsi driver. (I just
got rid of the routine where the Installer checks for installed boards. It was
crashing the program. I did a Custom install.)
	Thanks for any help you can give.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: gilmore@venice.sedd.trw.com (Larry Gilmore)
Subject: Re: Problem:  SE formats HD floppy as DD, but LC rejects it...why?
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:22:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.133253.27492@rtsg.mot.com> wolfmc@rtsg.mot.com (Michael Wolf) writes:
>What I have done is take a HD floppy and format it on an SE, which
>formats it as an 800k floppy.  I then take it to my LCII and it
>wants to initialize the floppy since it thinks it has been
>incorrectly format.
>
>If I then place tape over the HD indicator hole on the floppy,
>the LCII reads the floppy correctly.
>
>Should the LCII be smart enough to realize the floppy is formatted
>as 800k, even though it is a HD floppy?
>
>Is there something I missed because I never payed attention to
>what disks I had used before between the two machines, and now that
>I triwed a HD one, it doesn't want to work okay?
>
>Thanks.
>
>MJW
>

The only way the LC knows what size floppy you insert is by mechanically
sensing the "extra" hole.  Hole == HD floppy.  You'd get the same results
trying it in one of the later SEs with the HD floppy drive.

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From: andyp@treehouse.UUCP (Andy Peterman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Maxtor 213
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:36:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: treehous.1422
Organization: The Treehouse

In article <1583@sousa.ltn.dec.com> long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) 
writes
:
>
> In my quest for a second drive, the APS Maxtor 213 ($569, external) has 
> come up. Anyone got it? What do you think for noise, speed?

I've had one in my Quadra for about 6 months and I LIKE it.  It is the 
quietest drive I've ever encountered.  Not only is it virtually silent 
while running, it barely makes any noise while accessing.  When I replace 
another external I have, I plan on getting another Maxtor like it.

From a speed standpoint, I think it's a bit slower than a Quantum.  I think
that, at least in my Quadra, other drives might be faster.  I'm not sure 
the difference would be noticeable, however.
-- 
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From: jeff@svl.cdc.com (Jeff Needham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: stock MAC-II accel. Q?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:22:42 GMT


I have a stock MAC-II motherboard where the CPU is not
socketed.  I don't reallly need a Rocket-type solution, but 
would like a 25 or 33 68030.  What options do I have 
providing I can make the existing CPU socketed?  


thanks
  jeff



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From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Anyone know about the Style Writer????
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:05:44 EDT

scole@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Scott Cole) writes:
>Anyone have any advice about the Style Writer for the mac?
>Wether it's good or not.

It works.  It's slower than a LaserWriter, but if you have the latest
and greatest System 7, I find its speed acceptable (on a IIci).  The ink
is water soluble, so keep the printouts dry.  If you use the right paper,
the image quality is fantastic.

>Compatibility problems, etc.

It will not print as close to the edges of the paper as a LaserWriter will,
so documents which are set up to use most of a LaserWriter or ImageWriter page
get re-flowed to fit.  Occasionally this is annoying.

I do not know enough about the HP DeskWriter to make any comparisons with it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:01:02 GMT

In article <amfahr-190892202809@ditka.taligent.com> amfahr@taligent.com (Jeff Amfahr) writes:
>The real important piece of information is that the person who said 7.0 is
>faster is using a ci. The ci had a horrible bug in the memory manager which
>caused frequent memory allocation to be VERY slow. This bugs was fixed in
>7.0.

Nonononononononono.  The Memory Manager bug of which you speak affected one
or two applications that allocated lots and lots of non-relocatable memory
blocks.  It had nothing to do with "frequent memory allocation" in general.

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