From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott)
Subject: Re: Death of America
Summary:  Now, for the classifieds.
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Keywords:  Niche-Out  (Non-Institutional-Community)
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.154053.17594@athena.mit.edu>, 
cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes...

>In article <14DEC199200393771@utarlg.uta.edu> 
>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec14.024829.3387@athena.mit.edu>, 
>>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes...
>>
>>>In article <13DEC199219304722@utarlg.uta.edu> 
>>>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott) writes:

>i still don't know about free trade. i have seen what it has done
>to canada, but then that was going to happen anyway due to all the
>things i talked about in that thread. one of the main reasons that
>i think NAFTA has been put into place is that if we make the mexicans
>richer, they will form a bigger market for us to sell to, and they
>will stop trying to illegally immigrate.

I agree. Exactly. I'm working on my Spanish. Most mexicans won't
benefit though. Why would you as a producer give up profit margin 
to take their wages up? Simple fact, robotic manufacturing will be
cheaper to implement down there. It's an open door for the Japanese
as well, since it's still old-world bizness.

>>Even though NAFTA is such an obvious illusion. Such as the free-market
>>inside of Amerika. The one that liscenses broadcast companies, and
>>restricts cable and telephone companies, and such (food, drugs, health..
> 
>waxing rhetorical again, general? ah yes. are you sure your first name
>isn't "ragnar"?

Hey, cut that out. The General's image is protected by copyright.

>>And even if the government just hands out checks left and right 
>>(why print money, checks will do) why would "monetized" dollars
>>buy what's produced abroad? Trash is trash after all.
> 
>but you're wrong. it's *not* trash. that's what they said here
>in the 50's about japanese electronics. now look at them. they
>said that in the 60's about japanese cars. now look at them!
> 
>tsk, tsk.

Come on CK, not the products -- the money. Granted, barrel-loads
are easier to transport electronically. Let's just coin a new 
negotiable now -- the gigadollar. It'll cost 100 GD for a new vcr.

>>My new and shiny _world almanac '93_ p. 137, shows US cumulative state
>>debt as $345 B for '91. When last I went into the Dept. of Commerce
>>"Government Finances" report for '89-'90, total state *and local* debt 
>>was something like $900 billion. 
> 
>that's actually a much smaller percentage of the federal debt than
>i expected. it's also a much smaller percentage of the federal debt
>than exists in canada (of course). hey, they're on the leading edge!
>{socialist response warning}

Note the years. Recall what happened to the fed-debt during the same
period. 

>i keep a 1/10th ounce gold coin on my desk to remind me of the ideals
>that founded this country, and of the true value of excellence.
>and that it will happen again someday.

Good. I've been thinking about the non-institutional community approach
regarding a techy-village. Denizens share a common commitment to gadgets
and gizmos; light-pipes run house to house, etc. Much of our technology
is really low cost now, and it's just the local licensing that keeps it
from being implemented. I could have said, eco-village, or academics, or
health nuts regarding sufficient reasons to "niche-out." The point is
a commonality of interest recognized a beneficial to society at large
and thus worth leaving alone for the most part, while they create new
wares, ways, and wiles. 

>>In so many words CK, I believe we agree. Neither of us see any help
>>coming from the federal government which doesn't require selling 
>>your soul and your first born's, and their first born's, and...
> 
>it's already been sold. all we have to do now is wait for the holders
>of the notes to come cash 'em in... but in the meantime, let's
>sell some more! what the hell? there's still the second born and the third.

What you haven't put out a classified asserting that you've divorced
yourself from the insanity of the federal government, and that the only
debts you'll cover will be your own?? Just don't use the New York Times
or Wash. Post, please.

>(gee, i am starting to use *your* style... sure is more fun!
>and no-one is listening anyway, so might as well have some fun, right?

And it's cathartic. But someone is listening, you can be sure. By being
here you have a remote possibility of being a politico someday. What
better way to roast someone than throw their `old correspondence' back
in their face? Many tons of ink were used to repaint such youthful
indiscretion by Mr. Bill. This is why bashing the lawyers here is so
much fun -- they'll only go so far in response.

>how else am i supposed to deal with the enslavement of producers?)

     David Clark on Jacques Ellul "The Meaning of the City"

	Ellul's main concern is that people understand
	that technology can never be neutral, but is
	always conditioning humans to obedient submission
	to those elites who make the most important
	policies in technological society.

All the rules keep chaos from running rampant, doncha know.

< I started to write `nicht wahr' pero mi aleman esta mohoso. > 

-= "We who are on the road, must have a code, that we can live by..." =-

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