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From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Professional meetings/conferences in Oregon?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:01:04 GMT

entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:

>Do any major meetings or conferences USENIX etc. take place in Oregon?
>With the recent rise in violence in Oregon, I think it would be reasonable
>to ask organizers to move the conferences to a safer state. A few conferences
>being cancelled in Oregon before the election might give people some serious
>second thoughts about the OCA and allowing Nazi's free run of there state.

Yes.  The Pacific Northwest Software Quality Conference is always in
Portland, OR sometime in October.  This year it's October 19-21.  I'm
going and am concerned about being in the middle of the ruckus (no doubt
I'll want to see some of the ~scenery~).

I would recommend waiting until after the election before organizing a boycott
of the state, however.  Polls show Proposition 9 is probably headed for
defeat.  I don't know how a boycott will do anything except reinforce the
success of violence:  "geez, if we bash them, they'll just go away."

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to our friend Rob Bernardo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Anything But (was Re: evil twins)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:29:43 GMT


In article <72956@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a
flying squirrel), grace a` St. Suze, writes:

Moi:

>>My, they *do* sound like such a yummy pair!

>And so eager to please as well.

A key ingredient in yumminess, I think, something good in
every course of fine _consummations_.

>>Hotel Tonic Des Halles where Frederic and I had our
>>love-nest and we first sipped Suze together), by far the

>I was left with the impression that your love-nest was one
>of the auto-potties (admission: FF2,00) on the street.  How
>silly of me.

I'm impressed that you could station your spies outside the
loo at Sacre Coeur to observe *those* goings-on.

>I have the bottle of Suze waiting here in Pacifica for you,
>by the way.

Well, collecting same is on my agenda, that I assure you, as
soon as ailing back and schedule permit.

>>Please sir, the winters here being rather chilly, may I have
>>them both, do you think?  As an added inducement to them, I

>No!  What I meant is that you get them *both* for the
>winter, and then send them westward for the summer.  Equal
>access to be equated with the equinox, doncha know.

The ideal cure, in my estimation, for seasonal affect
disorder, is the padding of big bare feet along the polished
hardwoods of my small but cozy abode, steps in the direction
of my large brass bed.  I have a plan for making something
of a fe^te of the exchanges (read on).

>>might point out that I am a *divine* (if immodest) cook, and
>>I know growing boys always like to eat.  The little matter
>>of their studies I'm sure we can work out -- after all, I
>>ain't in the networks group for nothin'!

>I am sure you will find a way to feed them both in many
>ways.  

Aha, slyboots, you caught my drift.

>SLIP them a bit of data (something to byte on), some
>tea (see pee?) to drink...

I do so love _paquets_, don't you?  This reminded me that
quite likely one of these worthies has not seen that city of
our dreams, and that we should at least once effect our
winter/summer or summer/winter exchange there.  This would
surely delight all concerned, not least us.

<> Too many of us blindly trust hetero educators to tell us
<> what we need to know.  Rather than join a community, most
<> homosexuals call it a 'ghetto' and hold out for the
<> private and personal privileges they can win on their
<> own.  -- Louie Crew (lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu)

Never see any of that in soc.motss, do we?  No, of course
not!

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:50:50 GMT

In article <66969@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) 
writes:
>George Reilly idioticizes:
>>Oh, wait, you mean George MADISON.  I think it must be his
>>excess of hair.  The poor chap just needs a waxing and a good
>>haircut and a shave.
>
>Go boil yourself in sulfuric acid, shithead.
>
>(Absolutely *NO* humor intended.)

Don't worry, George, no one expected any. 


-- 

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From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Los Angeles Motss Dinner
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:36:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


By Popular Demand!

The Second Sesquicentennial LA-Motss Gathering!

In hopes of repeating the inebriated triumph of last year, you
are invited to a gathering/dinner of Los Angeles motss folk.
Owing to the cost of cleaning and repairing my home last year,
I am invoking prudence by arranging for the use of a kicky
little Japanese place. So far, there are no illustrious
extra-locals to be honored, but maybe my agents can dig one
up later.

The Details:

Where: Amagi Restaurant
       6114 W. Sunset Blvd. (at Gower, across the street from
       the Sunset-Gower Studios and the local CBS affiliate,
       in the same complex as Thrifty drugstore, so you can stock
       up on motion sickness medicine). 

When: Saturday, 24 October @ 7:30 PM. 

Miscellaneous: This place has a good 'buffet', but sushi and teppan
               are also available. AND! There is KARAOKE in the bar!

SO's and interested bystanders are welcome. Please RSVP to 
foucault@netcom.com with the number in your party. 

(If you receive this invitation on more than one list, please
excuse the annoyance; I learn of at least one new motss mailing
lists in LA every week)
 
-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958

Don't "follow your bliss." If you "follow your bliss," you will either
collide with someone else's bliss or you will fall into a deep hole.

				-from 'The Anti-Campbell'
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Proposal for cmh.lesbigay
From: mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Marc Vincent Conte)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:18:26 GMT
Distribution: cmh
Organization: The Ohio State University

I recently posted a proposal for a new gay, lesbian, and bisexual
subject newsgroup on cmh.groups.  I don't think getting the group
approved will be a problem but it would help if letters of support
were posted to show some guaranteed traffic on the new group.

Thanks.

Marc
-- 
  Marc Conte at The OSU---SCARLET AND GrAY
       mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:05:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep29.080502.20622
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

well girded Robert Coren says:
>Gotta love this guy.

And Jess of the swift fingers says:
>I know at least two people who do.

(Nelson basks, glows. Comments like this make me grin all day. *This*
is the side of motss I really like (no, not just the compliments
directed at me, silly). I was editing up the motss.con posts I
collected, and it was so wonderful reliving some of that.)

In article <BvBvE2.J4n@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Oh?  Are you a multitasking beast, Nelson?  Does that mean there's
>hope after all?

I've been known to multitask, yes, even in real time. I'm not too
happy with task swapping, and context switching is *right out*. On the
other hand, I've never been truly thrashing - maybe it's fun?
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/    The look in his eyes when it hit - kid, it was tasty...
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:52:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct3.185252.21790
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct3.175134.2165@unlinfo.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>>the now aging, but never-surpassed performance
>>of Elgar's Cello Concerto by du Pre'.
>which never fails to leave me in a profoundly elegaric mood.
>Well, jeff, I suspect neither of them were in to gastropods although 
>certain Helicidae accompanied with much butter, garlic and heat were 
>very likely into them.

Sounds more like an elegarlic mood.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: More on the hate sheets and Salem murders
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:50:11 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum


I heard this one at PGMC rehearsal last Monday -- it seems a local
lesbian couple found that same OCA tripe on their doorstep that
Barry and I got.  Their reaction, however, was to call the police and
demand that the people from the OCA come and remove it from their
property.  Now, if everybody did this, they wouldn't have the time
to deliver them all...

Continuing in the same vein, another quote in this rag got the OCA in
some hot water:

   "Measure 9 got another boost on national television when Katy Kurick
    of the _Today Show_, during an interview with OCA Chairman Lon Mabon,
    announced that she had run the measure by the NBC attorneys who had
    agreed that it would pass constitutional muster."

Except that it never happened, and at the rally today Charles Hinkle
of the Oregon ACLU read a letter from NBC dated Sept. 22 that orders
the OCA to cease and desist making this claim.  Now, does that mean all
the fliers they printed up are now useless and can't be distributed?  We
certainly got ours after Sept. 22...

Someone has put out a hateful sheet "congratulating" the four Skinheads 
that have now been arrested for the Salem murders of Brian Mock and
Hattie Mae Cohens.  The sheet was printed on OCA stationary and urges
a yes vote on measure 9.  The OCA has denied responsibility and offered
a reward for info on whoever printed it.  I don't believe them for one
minute.  My God those people have no shame whatsoever and have been lying
all the way through this campaign.  Why should we believe them now?
I certainly think they're capable of something like this.

I am unable to conceive of how anyone could allow their soul to become
so twisted by hate.  Then I remember the Nazis.

Today would have been Anne Frank's 60th birthday.

-- 
Brent Capps           | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com | Know what to kiss, and when.
bcapps@atlastele.com  |
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:32:57 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


John Flanagan (johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu) wrote:
 
> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>
> > They [heterosexual men] get their clothes from their wives. 
> > Women buy most of the men's clothes in the U.S., according 
> > to every study I've ever seen.
> 
> You mean straight women _want_ their men to look like that?  I
> assumed they were just settling for what they could get.

Don't be absurd, of course that's what they want.
It's all part of the plan to keep their men from
running away with other *men*, which everyone
knows they would otherwise do at the drop of
a hat.

--jns
From: weeks@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Greg Weeks)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 19:17:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad news and good news
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: soc.motss

> In other mildly interesting QueerNews, Keanu Reeves will co-star with
> Rain Phoenix, Lily Tomlin and Uma Thurman in Gus Van Sant's version of
> _Even Cowgirls Get the Blues_.

That wretched piece of homophobic trash is going to be made into a movie by
Gus Van Sant?

Truly one of the great awful books.  The one homosexual male character
was the worst stereotype imaginable: vicious, murderous, devoted to the
abolition of "feminine odor", with clacking dentures and a self-image as
a Russian princess, and named (what else?) The Countess.  All of the many
homosexual female characters are described by Bonanza Jellybean, one of the
heroines, as "not a lesbian in the bunch".  (To the author, all good people
are heterosexual males inside -- only some of them happen to be women 
outside.)  The novel is hypocritical in its disregard of Ursula K LeGuin's
point that a good story says in words what can not be said in words.  When
the author wants to make a point, he puts it into the mouth of a wise old
man character who then goes on to say that he really shouldn't be saying all
this -- and there is a lot of it -- because it can't be said.  (The wise
old man is pot-bellied and vulgar, but of course has sex with a fabulously
attractive female hero.  Small-minded heterosexual male authors love that
sort of thing.)  And finally, the attitude of the novel is Calvinist -- the
initially good people just get better and better while the initially bad
people just get worse and worse.

A hateful experience masquerading as enlightenment.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:00:25 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

Lyndol used to call me Nannerboy (nanner <-- banana) because I was
eating large quantities of bananas to ward off night cramps (potassium
deficiency); as in "Me Lyndol, you Nannerboy."

I was slightly saddened when he dropped it; rather marked the end of
the honeymoon, the end of the giddy part of our romance.

I, on the other hand, have evolved who-knows-how-many names for him,
all of them appropriately nauseating and publicly embarrassing, of
course. I tend to favor Uncle Poopie or simply Poopoo at the moment.

Now you know my worst secrets.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:08:17 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor) writes:
>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>> Not to mention that most astrologers today still operate on zodiacal
>> cycle which has been obsolete since ancient times. Because the Earth's
>> spin axis precesses like a top with a 26,000 year period, the apparent
>> place of the sun during the year slowly changes over time. Since there
>> have traditionally been 12 zodiacal constellations, it follows that
>> the Sun moves about 1 constellation-width in a little over 2,000 years.
>> Most of the forecasts today are one full month off (one full constellation
>> off).

>Ah, but the zodiacal signs correspond to regions along the ecliptic,
>not specific stellar constellations.  When the astrological principles
>were first worked out, these regions were given names corresponding to
>the stellar constellations that happened to lie within them at the time.

	Incorrect - well the second part is correct (the zodiacal sign
constellations are on the ecliptic except for Scorpius which is mostly
below the ecliptic).

	The regions were given names like all the other ~45 ancient
constellations.  The dates of the zodiacal signs were supposed to
correspond to the period of time the Sun was in them.  Now 
because of precession things have shifted back one sign.  So 
If you're born on March 30 you're an Aries in the paper's horoscope,
but you're really a Pieces, if you go by where the Sun is.  
Given that's how these things were defined for the original astrologers,
the tendency to account for precession (not to mention the Gregorian
calendar) pretty much destroys any vestige of modern-day astrology.
The other effect of this is that the pole star is no longer Thuban,
it's Cynosura.  And in 12000 years it will be Vega.

	
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: This Ya Gotta See
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:07:01 GMT


In article <1992Sep26.174558.13236@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|> 
|> Just got this from Adolf Pinkelmann:
|> 
|> "Sometimes you make me wonder if some gays don't really
|>  deserve some bashing, so they would learn how to show some
|>  respect for those who have never been unrespectful to them."
|> 
|> Anyone surprised?

Not.  It's tied into that Latin American mentality,
a few on the side and Presidents for Life as the 
tattooed Raul puts it. 


-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:22:08 GMT

jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:


>Gene W. Smith (gsmith@euterpe.uucp) wrote:
> 
>> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> 
>> > And I think everyone who doesn't know opera should 
>> > start with Butterfly (and a lot of patience).
>> 
>> Naah.  They should start with Parsival, and even more patience. 
>> Buckets of the stuff.

>Der Ring des Nibelungen.  Fuck the patience.

Hmmmm.....do you really mean Gilbert and Sullivan, Jeff?

But I agree that Puccini should launch the novice, although I think La 
Boheme has more action and immediate identification for the newcomer. 
However, should that person have innate taste then, of course, the 
first opera should be Mozart, any Mozart ('tho Figaro well may be the 
most delectable first course).

Colburn Eigen (listening to Barenboim's rather sluggish Giovanni)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Faggots
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:21:08 GMT

In article <66497@cup.portal.com>, Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
writes:
|> Oh, Melinda, 'fess up.  You know way down deep in your heart that only
|> other men can satisfy you, you big butch guy you.

Other than whom?
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Spinach spread with Christianity (was Re: fun! more recipes!)
Keywords: butch, spinach, garlic, virgin mary
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:58:44 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>one of our faves is SPINACH MOTHER OF CHRIST...

>The Virgin Mary, Mother of Christ was very fond of spinach...

>Her recipe for preparing spinach spread with Christianity...

Well, that is IT, simply the *other* best food-posting all week, the other
being Joan's Drippings Specials via (and a la) Arne. 

I am going home RIGHT NOW to make myself some spinach spread with Christianity.
I *might* even wilt it with some sizzling hot lard. YES!

--Brent
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ours flamb'e
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:36:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <66703@cup.portal.com> <!!_p-ar.jfh@netcom.com>

Jack Hamilton, who came *this* *close* to being a Patty Melt, pants:

>In article <66703@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank Swilling)
>writes:

>>You got that right, bud.  That heat wave in San Francisco
>>yesterday was radiating out from my house.

>OK, folks, stop upsetting Frank.  It was a record-high-for-the-date 93
>degrees yesterday.  That might not seem so bad compared to, say, Phoenix,
>but the mean temperature in San Francisco in September is 64 degrees.

>Jack Hamilton

Well, at least you got a nice tan out of it.  I'm only grateful that
nothing caught fire.  Geez, I hope the Water Department doesn't get
wind of this unfortunate little episode and try to pin the drought
on *me*.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:10:52 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber):
> This marks to be read usually about one out of every 50 or so
> articles. Sure I miss important stuff, but I get those things that
> directly apply to me and where I live.

then why are you posting, moron?

-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 01:24:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct4.220604.11700@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

->and which to date is the largest single body of erotica on the 'net.
->That it's science-fiction, deals with gay/les/bi themes and sometimes
->handles leather reasonably well is just cicing on the cake... :-)

Not to mention bestiality and great storylines, BTW ...

Elf's journal was the first time I was actually aroused when reading about
two men making love.  Rather cool.

-- 
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          Aren't you glad you're bi? Don't you wish everyone else was?
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
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