From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: STRAW POLL RESULTS:  The Legion of...well, you know.
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:58:19 GMT


Here are the results of the straw poll concerning the LNH:

In favour of removing LNH postings from r.a.c.misc:

mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu
jzlj+@andrew.cmu.edu
jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA
manley@ecn.purdue.edu
sbourgeo@encore.com
chinm@rpi.edu
frambs@acpy01
cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
LUTHER@ucsvax.ucs.umass.edu
sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu
lsmith@cs.umn.edu
rwalls@twg.com
cornwall@bach.udel.edu
rmartin@nyx.cs.du.edu
sherman@math.ucla.edu
rmaddy@eos.ncsu.edu
jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu
alan@nabeth.cxo.dec.com
twhite@dvorak.amd.com
heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu
j157+@andrew.cmu.edu
TAP1040@VENUS.TAMU.EDU
dpeterso@sol.UVic.CA
c1879@hela.INS.CWRU.Edu
jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU
dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu
hachiman@u.washington.edu
lazlo@triton.unm.edu
lflz@midway.uchicago.edu
BALBES@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
afarrell@maths.tcd.ie
shjonhso@plains.NoDak.edu
mlb@rayssd.ssd.ray.com
rdippold@qualcomm.com
SEWON@LIMS01.LERC.NASA.GOV
johnfa@i88.isc.com
fnord@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
bbrooks@twinpeaks.prc.com
murphy@npri6.npri.com
psraah@uta.fi
shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov

For a total of 41 votes.
(according to my tally sheet it was 46, so I've lost 5 votes somewhere)

Select quotes (in no particular order):

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Yea, get rid of 'em! A waste of time and space.
Thanks for bringing this up,

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I too want to get rid of the LNH posts.
Hopefully enough people feel the same way so we could convince
those posting the LNH stuff to stay in their own group.

Your effort in trying to get rid of them is appriciated.

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Hear hear!!! I'm also pretty sick of seeing these guys masturbate in public.

I vote to condemn!

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I agree -- I find the LNH posts annoying to plow through.  There is a group
for that purpose- why not use it??

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I agree with you completely...I don't mind people having fun, but not at the
expense of other people's resources.

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LNH should be limited to alt.comics.lnh.  I think the problem is that many
people do not get a.c.lnh yet.

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Add my vote against LNH.  My kill file handles LNH (with many variations) so
well that your article was junked, but I list subject lines before they are
junked so your article caught my eye.  Thanks.

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I totally agree with you.  Let's get these people out of here.  It seems they 
do nothing constructive and waste everyones time.

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I vote agin 'em, they're impossible to kill and they have their own group.

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Please tally my vote *against* the LNH goofballs.  If they want to swamp
something, let them create a mailing list.

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please do add my vote against the LNH, i do so hate reading all of
those useless postings multiple times.

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...I think it's stupid, boring, self-congratulatory, and has nothing to do 
with comics...if people want to play little LNH games, that's fine, but they
really should find their own space to do it in.

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I agree.  They have no business in a group dedicated to
the sequential art--besides they have their own group in the alt.
heirarchy.

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YES!!!!!!!  Death to the LNH!!!!!!!!!

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Nuke 'em from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure....

Seriously, these people are truly annoying, and I have the same
killfile problems as you do.

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I don't care either way if the children want to play with their
drivel and mindrot, but I DO wish (and have told a few of them) that
they'd use a damn "LNH" header so I CAN killfile all that dreck.
So, count me in.

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Nuke 'em.

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I agree.  They have their own group, and should stay there.

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Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!

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ME!

And I was <deleted>, back when it was mildly entertaining to flame them 
while pretending to play along...I ignore them now, and hope to high heaven
that they've left me out of it.

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YES! PLEEEEEEASE KEEP THE LNH IN A.C.LNH WHERE THEY BELONG! 
They were amusing LAST YEAR but the joke has grown very, very, very tired.
Please keep the 900 line "epics" of redundancy in a.c.lnh WHICH WAS
DESIGNED FOR THE EXPLICIT PURPOSE of keeping the LNH OUT of r.a.c.*

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I agree.  Too much bandwidth, and too hard to ignore.

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YES!!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!

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I was waiting for somebody (anybody) else to complain.
I agree - dump the whole lot of the LNH posts.

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Yes, the LNH must die, go away, cease to function, become inopperative,
whatever....but they should go away!  I don't care about it, it's garbage,
rubbish, junk and a waste of bandwidth I might add.

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I agree wholeheartedly that the LNH is annoying as anything...

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You'd better believe it, Jim.  They have their own group; I say they keep
it in there.  They have ceased to be a spoof of comics and become an
annoyance.

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I, for one, am totaly fed up with this LNH garbage!...I never said anything
before since I felt that most people didn't mind.  Maybe not.  Thank you
again.

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my preferences, in order from most preferred to least preferred

0. LNH falls into a screaming void, never to be heard from again
1. LNH leaves racm forever, for some mailing list that I don't read
2. LNH leaves racm forever, for some newsgroup that I don't read
3. LNH posters start including "LNH" at the beginning of their subject:
lines to make them easier to kill
4. LNH learns to limit crossposting to < 3 newsgroups at a time
5. LNH posters wear T-shirts with the letters "LNH" making _them_ easier
to kill (joke! joke!)
6. I give in disgust and stop reading racm

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Votes to keep the LNH in r.a.c.misc.:

dani@netcom.com
REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
lawrence@ctron.com
jl24jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au
jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
mdp2842@ultb.isc.rit.edu
kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
maguire@zappa.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
MORROW@FNAL.FNAL.GOV
lucke@plains.NoDak.edu
barnejd@WKUVX1.BITNET
krupski@ravel.udel.edu
sample3d@everclear.berkeley.edu
mre@kepler.unh.edu
003695s@ace.acadiau.ca
ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU
JLMILLER@hamp.hampshire.edu
ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu

For a total of 21 votes
(My tally showed 22 votes, so I've lost one somewhere)

Select quotes (in no particular order):

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Count this as a vote for keeping the LNH on r.a.c.misc, with two qualifiers:

1)  We consider moving LNH  after a bboard for LNH has been established
and is accessible to all.  a.c.lnh does not fit this criterion.
2)  Anything concerning LNH that is posted or crossposted to r.a.c.m.
should have the prefix "LNH:" in the subject line.  This way, people who
do not wish to read LNH items have the option to killfile/easily skip
said items.

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I abhor censorship, and all you have to do is type "dir" and
use the little arrow keys.  It's easy.  I do it to skip all the Marvel/LSH crap.

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I don't see that they have any less right to be here than I do.

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Well I like the LNH since I can't get alt.comics.lnh at my site!
Put me down for a vote for keeping it on.

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I SAY LET THEM STAY.

God bless Democracy.

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Off topic?  Heh.  No.

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Quite frankly, no I would not.  My site doesn't carry alt.comics.lnh and I for
one quite LIKE the LNH.  Some of their posts are hilarious, and I think
rec.arts.comics.misc is a funner place for them.

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It doesn't waste bandwidth it only helps test the boundaries...

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My own thought is that you can't ban a topic from the closest-to-appropriate
official group on the grounds that an alt group exists.  Not that it isn't
tempting, in this case.

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Thank you all for participating.

As a result of this poll, and the controversy started (and the flamewar
initiated by the pro-LNH side) I've noticed that now, all LNH postings are
being prefixed.  So I'm happy for now.

However, if it goes back to the old situation, I would back a change to the
r.a.c.misc charter to ban the LNH.

Sorry if your vote went missing (it was only a straw poll after all).  I also
tried to include all the public reaction I could, but as my newsfeed was
down so often over the last week, this wasn't always possible (for example,
I only saw wReam's post when quoted by someone else).

Final results:

For banning LNH:  41-46
Against it:       21-22

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Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria
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