HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu (Jeremy Bloxham)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: How windy?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:13:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug20.161352.15721
Reply-To: bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu
Organization: Dept. of Earth & Planetary Sciences, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug19.145017.20963@das.harvard.edu> bloxham@geophysics.harvard.edu (Jeremy Bloxham) writes:
>
>Then, on the run we set our 3/4 oz, and were able to maintain speeds around
>7knots with frequent 8's and the occasional 9. Not the kind of
>numbers we see downwind in 14 TWS. Our target downwind in 14knots true
>is 6.40knots. 
>
>In article <1992Aug20.120304.14234@eng.umd.edu> crouse@eng.umd.edu (Gil Crouse) writes:
>
>
>>I would guess that the psychological effect of the rain is more
>>significant than its physical effects.  I imagine heavy wind + rain is
>>more intimidating than heavy wind alone.  
>

So now I know, next time we're having trouble reaching our target boatspeed,
we just imagine it's a wet, cold, rainy day and suddenly we'll be exceeding
our target boatspeed by 2 knots :-). Certainly hope it works!

Jeremy
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: anybody need a deckhand?
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:19:05 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

I've known a few guys who got a hitch outta Marina del Ray and the other
Marinas in the LA area by frequenting the local sailor bars in the area. These
guys all had references and what not and I suspect that the success rate is
iffy at best. Nonetheless I've known people who've gotten as far as Japan that
way.

smittie
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: another word question
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:39:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec

In article <1992Aug15.1438.5484@execnet> "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com> writes:
>Several years ago I perused an old(circa 1960) cruising guide to
>the Eastern Caribbean. The author made reference to an 18th century
>set of Sailing directions for the same area which recommended that
>when sailing to the leeward of the high islands (Dominica would be
>an example.) you should either sail at least 21 miles off or within
>"two pistol shots" of the shore in order to avoid being becalmed.
>
>
>Can a precise distance be attributed to a "pistol shot" ?

It's half a "look."
 
Greg
 
PS A 'look' is a measure of terrestrial distance. If you
   look down the road casually, that's one 'look.' Thus
   if where you're going is 'two looks down the road,'
   it's twice the distance you typically look down the
   road in front of you.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller)
Subject: Porta Potti and Canada, 2nd Try...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:10:26 GMT

	Hi, I am planning to cruise in Canada in the western end of
Lake Erie -- islands region. I would like to know what the regulations
and the *realities* are concerning porta potties. I have one on board
that is emptyied by carrying the lower tank off board and dumping.
My understanding is that Canada has a problem with these because certain
people dump the contents into the lake. I will refit next year, if
necessary, but would like to know what the risk is by entering Canada
with my PP is now.

				Thanks,

				John Miller
From: hall@satie.psu.edu (PeggyHall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Overcharging Mercury O.B.
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:52:03 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I have a 1985 Mercury 200 O.B. and it is charging at 16 volts.
I have been told that a bad voltage regulator could be the problem
  but I thought that Mercury O.B. had a (stator) type of charging
  system. 
Does this O.B. have an automotive type voltage regulator and if so,
  can I use this type Re: Not a quicksilver part.

Please send email to this acct, or post the reply...
Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: macheske@aero.org (Richard M. Macheske)
Subject: What is a '85 30ft Catalina worth?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:24:58 GMT


The subject states the question.  A friend of mine is trying to
sell his sailboat.  Since I'm looking for one, I'm considering 
it.  I need to know what it's worth.  Here are the stats:

year: 1985
Maker: Catalina
engine: the biggest inboard available
hours: about 100
shape: needs some scrubbing and maintenance
size: 30ft

He's selling it since he hasen't used it in the last three years.
If you know what they are approximately worth, send me email.
Thanks,
Rick  (LA area)
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From: tomb@atp.serum.kodak.com (Tom "USA" Bullinger (x37419))
Subject: Re: Harken Hardware
Summary: Where to find it...
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:53:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.181629.2763@ccu.umanitoba.ca> albert@beer.umeeng writes:
>Does anyone know of a place in the San Jose or Santa Clara area that sells Harken Hardware?
>
>I will be in the area on business towards the end of the month, and would like to buy some new blocks for my lightning.
>
>Also does one know where I can get West Systems Epoxy,  It seems I have to do some fiberglass repairs in the fall.
>
>Thanks
>
>
I've gotten most of my stuff from West Marine. They live in Watsonville CA,
wherever that is, and can be reached at 1-800-538-0775. They have tons of
Harken Hardware, and carry all the West System products. They will also
match other's prices. Give 'em a try! (I have no relation whatsover with
West Marine, I'm just a very satisifed customer!)

tomb..

tomb@serum.kodak.com

Laser #15878
Bristol Corsair #270  /Between Sheets/
From: iseman@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Early)
Subject: Re: Hydrofoil Stabilizers Re: Doelfin
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:15:12 GMT

In article <!!$vHkjm!8@atlantis.psu.edu> hall@satie.psu.edu (PeggyHall) writes:
>I have recently purchased a hydrofoil for my 17 Ranger bass boat with a
>  45 horse motor. This product dramatically improved hole shot and gave
>  a better and more stable ride in rough seas. I was so impressed with
>  this product that I installed one on my 20 foot Robalo center console
>  which showed similar improvements. In fact, this deep vee hulled boat
>  could now run through the  inlet on plane. 
>I strongly reccomend this product to all fishermen regaurdless of boat
>  size.                              
>
>Good fishing mate!!!
>
Attwood makes the same product only it's wings are on about a 30 degree angle
and thus most of the fin is out of the water when the boat is on plane.  The
result is increased speed, less drag, and better econmy.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid)
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:51:51 GMT

: >Stuart Walker talks about a boat on the port tack layline (situation:
: >coming into a weather mark with starboard rounding) slowing down to force
: >a starboard tacker to cross and then tack slightly past the layline with the
: >original port boat inside. Presumably coming in at full speed would require a
: >duck below the layline by the port tack boat with the stbd. effectively 'slam
: >dunking' right at the layline. Then he says a defense against this for the
: >stbd boat is also slow down while maintaining course. I have to say that at
: >first thought this seems pretty borderline, but then again I don't remember,
: >what do the rules say about maintaining speed as well as course?
: 
: Rule 35: Limitations on altering course
: 
:          When one yacht is required to keep clear of another, the row
:          yacht shall not alter course so as tp prevent the other yacht
:          from keeping clear, or so as to obstruct her while she is
:          keeping clear
: 

You left off a bit of the rule which makes a difference for the case above:

The full rule is:

          When one yacht is required to keep clear of another, the r-o-w
          yacht shall not alter course so as to prevent the other yacht
          from keeping clear, or so as to obstruct her while she is
          keeping clear, except:

	  (a) To the extent permitted by rule 38.1, Luffing Rights, and

	  (b) when assuming a proper course:
	      either

	      (i)	to start, unless subject to rule 40, Same Tack, Luffing
			before Clearing the Starting Line, or to the second 
			part of rule 44.1(b), Returning to Start,

	      or

	      (ii)	when rounding a mark.


I read this (b)(ii) as allowing the starboard tack boat to tack in front
of the port tack boat to round the mark.

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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:00:16 GMT

In article <26100020@hpcvra.cv.hp.com>
ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth) writes:
 
>
>>	What does one do with old, outdated, flares?  Is there a safe way
>> to dispose of them?
>
>One waits until the 4th of July and considers them expensive fireworks
>:-).  Not the safest, but the most common answer in my experience.
>
>---
>
>Ben
>
And if you are worried about the local sheriff harassing you for "illegal
fireworks," do what a friend of mine claims to have done...take a rowboat
out to the middle of a small privately owned lake (with permission of the
owner) in the middle of nowhere.  Conveniently, forget to have replaced the
drain plug (or, simply slop a few pailfuls of water into the hull) and fire
away.  Sure enough the sheriff showed up.  My friend kindly thanked him
for being rescued...apparently this put the sheriff so off guard that no one
asked "why did a 10' rowboat even carry flares."
 
My question: can outdated flares be unstable or some other way dangerous to
fire?
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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Harken Hardware
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:31:26 GMT

In article <l8ivvuINNmf5@cronkite> billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 3470@ccu.umanitoba.ca, albert@beer.umeeng (heller) writes:
>>Does anyone know where I can purchase Harken Hardware in the San Jose or Santa Clara area. ...
>
>[Sorry for the post, but the mail bounced.]
>
>
>West Marine in Palo Alto is probably the best bet for both
>Harken and WEST stuff.

The largest selection of boating hardware that I've seen in the 
Bay Area is at Svendsen's in Alameda. They have the reputation
of being higher-priced than West Marine, but I haven't spent
enough money there to know for sure.

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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:35:16 GMT

So I was wondering the following: if the pilot took the vessel over ground that
is charted as 38 feet deep, and the vessel hits a 32 foot spot, is the pilot
responsible?  In places with shifting shoals, it's probably the pilot's duty
to know what's where (viz. entrance to Moorhead City, NC, where I'll be the
sands shift a good deal more often than the charts are updated). But what about
Vineyard Sound, whose bottom is rocky and pretty constant? 

I was just wondering, because there have to be a lot of people feeling a little
uneasy just now: the pilot, the captain, and the folks at NOAA who made those
charts. After all, they take something like 10 soundings for each one that
appears on the chart. Perhaps Louie was a little tired that day, and didn't
notice the recorded sounding of 31 feet in the midst of all those "37"s, and
so he put down "37" for that area. 

So suppose that NOAA *did* make a mistake, and their original data shows 31 
feet. Are *they* responsible? 

I guess we'll get the answers to these and other questions during the meeting
of the Board of Enquiry this week. 

-John

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: marc@watson.ibm.com (Marc Auslander)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:35:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Aug12.162125.12849@phri.nyu.edu> <2285@unet.UUCP>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, Hawthorne, New York

You might try the local Coast Guard Auxilliary.  I believe they
sometimes have use for old flares.
--


Marc Auslander       (IBM)<marc@marc.watson.ibm.com>      914 784-6699
                     (Internet)<marc@watson.ibm.com>
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:46:52 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu writes:
> Say it's before the start and lets say it's light air. A boat is close
> reaching on stbd. but going slowly. Another boat comes up from behind and
> gets a slight leeward overlap. This boat can then take the first boat up
> to close hauled (slowly). But the windward boat can't come up! If she
> does her stern will swing down and foul the leeward boat.

	I had exactly this situation a few weeks ago.  We were reaching
along the start line in light air going faster than the boat in front of
me.  I dove down under him and took him up slowly.  Eventually we touched,
I protested, and won the protest.

	Here's what I got out of the protest hearing.  First off, the other
guy basically burried himself; he misquoted rules repeatedly to the
committee (kept talking about how I couldn't take him up until I got mast
abeam, and other nonsense that clearly indicated he didn't understand the
rules).  But, more to the point, he made the argument that I didn't give
him room and opportunity since I was so close that if he responded to my
luff, he just would have swung his stern into me.

	My counter-argument was that I took him up slowly (hailing up, up,
and all that good stuff), came back down, and then slowly took him up
again.  He agreed with me that we did indeed go up, come back down, and
then go up again.  My argument was that when I came back down, that was the
room he needed to get fully clear of me.  By choosing to follow me back
down, he took the room he needed away from himself.  The rules only say
leeward has to INITIALLY give room and opportunity.  Perhaps windward
doesn't have to anticipate the first luff, but once you come down a bit to
avoid touching them, it seems to me that windward certainly has to
anticipate that as soon as the immediate danger of collision is past,
leeward is going to come right back at them.
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: hall@satie.psu.edu (PeggyHall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Mercury 200 Spark Plug Fouling
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:57:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlantis.+#$vHtam!8
Organization: Penn State University

I have a 1985 Mercury 200 that after 10 or 15 hours of trolling the
  spark plugs foul.
Is this common?
I am currently running Champion L76V plugs, could there be a spark plug
  that would aleviate this problem?
Also, I have heard that OMC offers a fuel additive called carbonguard
  that the local mechanic reccomended. Has anybody used this product,
  please let me know the results.

Send email to this acct, or post the reply..
Thanks...
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man...)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: protests or using the rules
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:24:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug21.161859.19010@cs.brown.edu>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes...
>Ok, having jumped in on one sid eof the fray, let me get into the other. 
>There's a problem with racing handicapped, too, of course, and it has to do
>with the rules. Not the *racing* rules, but the *rating* rules. The people
>who want to race the rules in Handicap Racing have to do it by buying a new
>rule-beater boat. Those who want to do it in one-design racing may have to
>buy themselves or someone else a new boat after a collision. Whatever
>rule you race under, there'll always be a rule-stretcher somewhere who
>considers winning more important than fair play. And Handicap racing has, over
>the years, led to some of the most hideously ugly boats ever built. I won't
>even get into seaworthiness...

Oversimplification. This may be somewhat or even largely true of IOR and now 
IMS, but it isn't true of PHRF. PHRF works pretty well for production boats
for which a lot of statistical data is available. The vintage of these boats
isn't important, the ratings can take this into account. 

You still have a problem for one-offs (these are often custom boats no longer
competitive in their measurement rule), these boats get assigned an empirical
rating by the handicappers, which may be based on the rating under the
measurement rule. If it is later determined to be way off, the handicappers
will adjust it, but there is no way to not end up handicapping the crew. 
Fortunately for us in the B fleet, most of these cases occur in the larger
boats (the A fleet). There is also considerable politics involved in the
handicapping process.

I think they could improve PHRF by having more than one number, like portsmith
and IMS, based on the wind velocity, and ideally, the type of course. Many of
the big, important races on the bay are government mark distance races
involving reach, reach, reach... Some of those big older boats with similar
ratings will just waterline you to death!


>Still---I think that I've seen Airwaves (isn't that the boat you're on,
>Stepen?) and she's quite snazzy. So I am not implying that *all* boats
>bult for handicap racing are ugly. I wouldn't make a statement like that
>without an asbestos suit. 

If it is a big dark blue boat with big bendy rig and red logo, it's probably
the one that races around here. Not the same one.


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
From: Rich.Wacker@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Rich Wacker)
Sender: UUCP@ship.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: name that sailboat contes
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:00:00 -0800

HU>Name the boat contest!

HU>OK, here's the story.  A friend of mine has a 37' Hunter Sailboat.

HU>The boat owner is, of course, in the computer business, .....

        C Hunter, or a variant.
        Cray Fish
        Itty Bitty Maru
        Orion Too

 * SLMR 2.1a * Rich Wacker: "Everything is a lot like something else."
From: dousson@laas.fr (Christophe Dousson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:40:38 GMT
	<1992Aug10.171808.7382@phri.nyu.edu> <Bst7tv.9xs@hatch.socal.com>
	<YORK.92Aug11121004@oakland-hills.lucid.com>
	<l8ggd2INNa45@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: LAAS-CNRS France
In-reply-to: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM's message of 11 Aug 92 22:39:30 GMT


>   >	As a semi-related question, I often see draft markings on large
>   >ships which are two-digit numbers without punctuation.  The numbers are
>   >too big to be feet (i.e. 40s, 50s, 60s).  The best I can figure out is that
>   >they are meters and tenths (i.e. when it reads 50, the ship is drawing 5.0
>   >meters).  Is that reasonable?
>
>   No, it isn't reasonable.  The markings are feet.  A large tanker/freighter
>   can easily draw 50-90 feet when fully loaded.
>

Yes, it's reasonnable. Sometimes, two-digit numbers are actually
meters and tenths.

For example: Gib'Sea 77 draws 7.70 meters (and not 77 feet !!)

Of course, ocean racers can easily draw 50-90 feet (and usually, classes in
races are given in feet -Europe 1-Star (ex O-Star)-).

xophe
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:08:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

In rec.boats, larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift) writes:


    I have a related question that I've wondered about for
    years.  Given that Skyblazers are cheaper and are
    advertised as reaching 500 ft, and the guns only 200',
    why buy the guns?  The only reason I've heard is that
    since they are legal (always?) to have aboard, they
    could be used for protection as well.

I seem to remember Tristan Jones used one to dispose of a polar bear
that was trying to tear apart the crunchy outside of his (Jones') boat
to get at the soft chewy centre (Jones).

More from B.S!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gregs@meaddata.com (Greg Smith)
Subject: Re: Using degreaser on a boat
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:51:07 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug18.150527.3474@meaddata.com>, gregs@meaddata.com (Greg Smith) writes:
|> I'd like to know if anyone has any ideas on the ill effects of using a
|> degreaser in the bilge of a boat.  I have purchased some GUNK brand
|> automotive engine degreaser.  On the label is warns that is can damage
|> paint and melt petrolem products.  I hesitate to use on on my fiberglass
|> runabout.  I have a 17' Winner open bow with a Mercruiser 140HP I/O.  The
|> problem I have is that water in the bilge gets greasy.  Then it runs toward
|> the bow, through the drains, into the ski locker.  This tends to get my
|> skis greasy.  I'd like to degrease the ski locker and bottom of the engine
|> bilge.  Does anyone know if there might be any ill effects from doing this?

Most people have strongly recommended that I not use GUNK for this application.

|> I certainly don't want to melt my fiberglass or any seals.  If someone can
|> reccomend another product that is designed for boats, or otherwise safe to

Grease cutting dish soap has been highly recommended as well as product called
Simple Green and Clear Magic.  (No clues as to where the last 2 products might
be found).

|> use, I'd be most appreciative.  Alternately, if anyone could calm my fears
|> of GUNK degreaser, I'd likewise appreciate it.

Thanks to everyone that responded.


|> 
|> If you could send me email, that would be better, as I have a hard time
|> keeping up with all the newgroups AND getting work done.
|> 
|> Thanks much,
|> 
|> -- 
|> Greg Smith
|> 
|> DISCLAIMER:  My ideas are entirely my own unless MDC decides to patent them.
|> I am not empowered to speak for Mead Data Central or Mead Corporation.

-- 
Greg Smith

DISCLAIMER:  My ideas are entirely my own unless MDC decides to patent them.
I am not empowered to speak for Mead Data Central or Mead Corporation.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: albert@beer.umeeng (heller)
Subject: Re: Harken Hardware
Reply-To: albert@beer.umeeng
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:16:29 GMT

Does anyone know of a place in the San Jose or Santa Clara area that sells Harken Hardware?

I will be in the area on business towards the end of the month, and would like to buy some new blocks for my lightning.

Also does one know where I can get West Systems Epoxy,  It seems I have to do some fiberglass repairs in the fall.

Thanks


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