From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Guilty?
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:54:20 GMT
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In article <nyikos.719184085@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
> In <1992Oct14.165855.8916@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
> 
> >In article <nyikos.719007205@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
> >> The above takes the prize for "most irrational comment by Susan Garvin",
> 
> >Yes, it probably does.  And since it made some sense, it doesn't
> >even come close in lack of rationale to what I have seen from
> >you and other pro-lie loonies.
> 
> I've looked at your one-on-one with Bill Overpeck from time to time,
> and I wonder why he bothers spending so much time talking to you.
> If *ipse dixits* like this are your main stock in trade, I'm glad
> I've wasted little time on you so far.  

You remind me of Senator John Carroll at the Kefauver Anti-Trust
Hearings.  Casey Stengel had been going for some time with some of
the funniest, most difficult to understand, and strangely insightful
remarks ever put before a Congressional committee.  Carroll,
trying to get into the act and show off a bit, said, "What was the
need for this legislation?  I wonder if you would accept his
definition.  He said they didn't want to be subjected to the ipse
dixit of the federal government because they would throw a lot
of damage suits on the ad damnum clause.  He said, in the first place,
the Toolson case was sui generis, it was diminimus non curat lex."

You talk of wasted time.  Diminimus non curat lex is about the
best way to address your remarks.

Do you really want me to archive the stupid remarks made by
pro-life loonies?  How about Chahallney's assertion that
most Americans are in favor of rape and incest?  How about
your dear Suzanne Forgach's explanation that rain falls because
god wants it to?  Or her tale of exorcising an abortion clinic?
I recall her saying something about how the workers then ran
into the streets shrieking.  How about your dear pal, Tire Iron
Ted KKKaldis, quoted this day by Elizabeth Barkley to the effect
that female intelligence is an oxymoron?

> >> although it has some serious competitors.
> 
> >Yes, that is true.  In fact, it is way behind much of what you
> >write in terms of irrationality.
> 
> When I wrote my comment, Susan Garvin's irrationality was there
> for all to see.  Do you seriously think what little you have shown
> of my words supports your assertions about me?

You remind me of the song "I like 'Em Big and Stupid."  There's
a line in there something like "I was with a guy the other day
who was so stupid/Do you know what he said?/I can't remember because
it was so stupid."  Since I haven't wasted my time on archiving
your postings for stupidity, and since they don't allow
me that enormous an amount of disk space anyway, I'll take it
back as regards you personally.  You're more boring than you
are stupid.  And more wrong than you are stupid.  Will you settle
for that old darling?  You're not stupid, just boring and wrong.

Feel better?
> >> Susan apparently wants to
> >> get on Don Beaver's killfile, not just mine.  But, as I told her in a
> >> private message, I have some evidence that she is capable of better
> >> things, so I am not about to put her in mine.
> 
> >And aren't you just the most magnanimous little set-theory
> >expert with the hot SAT scores?  What a condescending twerp
> >you are, Peter.
> 
> Look who's talking about condescension.

Maybe you are stupid.  Big difference between condescension
and sarcasm, Peter.  Look 'em up the next time you're hunting for
a Latin phrase.
> 
> >There's been some discussion of misogyny lately.  I don't think
> >Peter is a misogynist.  I think he's a condescending little
> >twerp towards everyone.
> 
> I am only condescending towards people who deserve it.  When
> dealing with rational people, like Elizabeth Bartley, I am
> quite respectful.

I think you pretty much condescend to appear respectful.
> 
> >> I hope Will is listening.  He told me he still has some residual
> >> respect for Susan.  A month or so he said he had a great deal of
> >> respect for her.  At this rate...
> 
> >And I am sure Susan is laying awake at night trying to think of
> >ways to regain the respect of the guy who said he'd have killed
> >his girlfriend if she hadn't shown him the proper respect.
> 
> Thanks for letting me know where you stand on this issue.

My pleasure.  I found his remarks appalling.  I haven't
entered into the subsequent discussion because I was hoping
his explanation was an honest one and he really isn't inclined to
such violence.

See, Peter, my reaction to you isn't a sort of knee-jerk
reaction.  I got it from your snotty, superior attitude and
the way you are so consistently wrong and boring.

> How much did Bill Overpeck have to kowtow to you to gain your
> respect, Dean?

Now that is funny.  I kind of like Bill.  We definitely disagree
on abortion, but I think he's got a sense of humor and is down
to earth about things.  And what I really like is that he tries
to be fair.  I don't think that the anti-abortion forces are wicked
evil woman-hating sources of all evil to a person.  I think there
are a sufficient number like that to taint that whole side of
the issue.  I've noticed that Bill is at pains to make it clear
he doesn't feel the pro-choice supporters are just plain all
evil either.  I haven't noticed a lot of people like that around
here.  I haven't seen any evidence of that attitude from you and
your closest net.friends.  I kind of miss Jammin' Jimmy Miller
because he seemed pretty reasonable also.

By the way, you ought to apologize to Bill Overpeck for that
remark.  He hasn't kowtowedto anyone that I've noticed.  If
he did he'd catch less heat.

You could take a lot of lessons from Bill Overpeck, Peter.

Excuse me.  I have to go catch up on my factorization theory of
meromorphic functions.

Dean Kaflowitz

'Ipse dixit.' 'Ipse' autem erat Pythagoras.
-Marcus Tullius Cicero