From: nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: [SOC] Protest of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen.
Summary: Clarification of intention.
Keywords: [SOC] Protest of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen.
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:38:31 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver, Colorado

Dear Netters,

I want to appologize to all netters for this lengthy mail. In this post,
I tried to make the information related to this response avaliable for a
number of netters who are interested in this subject. Please hit the delete
key if you are not interested in this topic. Thank you for your patience and
understanding.

Sincerely Yours,

Chris Chu - nguyen@drutx.att.com
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Dear Kelvin,

Thank you for clarifying your intention regarding the beating death of
Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen. This Satuday, I will post my followup letter for
all interested netters to review before I send it. I think that we have
some misunderstanding here and I am so glad that you have helped to make
our intention for this protest to be clearer.

Before this misunderstanding is getting out of hand, I would like to post
you private mail to me so netters will understand our communication better.
Also, I would like to repost my protest letter again for interested netters to
review what I wrote in my first letter. I would be more than happy to include
your mail along with the follow-up that I plan to send to US officials next
week since I really think that what you said is valuable for people to 
consider.

I personally have never believed in personal revenge; I thought we should
respect the law and order to be a respectful society member. I also thought
that fatal brutality was more more serious than racism; and I requested
justice to be served for all people by the court system where each of us in
the US has been a part in building it.

Again, thank you for your sincere sharing of your clarification. I sincerely
respect your firm stance and approach to the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan
Nguyen.

Respectfully Yours,

Chris
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| Article from Mr. Kelvin Leung to which I am responding.                    |
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| From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)                               |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.taiwan,so |
| c.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.vietnamese               |
| Subject: Re: [SOC] Protest of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen.  |
| Keywords: [SOC] Protest of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen.     |
| Message-ID: <1992Sep8.154807.18146@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>                  |
| Date: 8 Sep 92 15:48:07 GMT                                                |
| References: <20089@drutx.ATT.COM>                                          |
|                                                                            |
| Dear Christopher,                                                          |
|                                                                            |
| Before you include my name in the list of protesters, I would like         |
| to once again clarify my position.  In response to your first posting of   |
| the beating, I expressed my sympathy.  I, however, cannot and will not     |
| consider this incident as a result of mere racial hatred.  I agree that    |
| the gang has to be punished.  Their punishment not only serves the purpose |
| of educating them, but also to demonstrate that such beatings will not be  |
| tolerated.  Nonetheless, I don't agree with the tone of voice of the       |
| letter you just wrote.  Frankly, I believe in letting live.  I believe in  |
| giving them chances.  I believe in education.                              |
|                                                                            |
| I refuse to blame it solely on racism, as I believe it would happen        |
| to anyone.  If any of my beliefs contradict with yours, and differ from    |
| the purpose of the letter, please take my name out of your list.  However, |
| if you decide to leave my name on the list, please include my response to  |
| your posting in the letter.                                                |
|                                                                            |
| For those who disagree with me, and see the needs to argue, please         |
| do so via e-mail.  I stand firm on my beliefs, and I don't believe in      |
| revenge. Thanks for listening.                                             |
|                                                                            |
| Yours Sincerely,                                                           |
| Kelvin                                                                     |
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| Private mail from Mr. Kelvin Leung to me before the previous post.         |
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| From att!coos.dartmouth.edu!abs0 Thu Sep  3 23:46:16 0400 1992             |
| Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:46:16 -0400                                         |
| From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)                               |
| Message-Id: <9209040346.AA23809@coos.dartmouth.edu>                        |
| To: nguyen@drutx.att.com                                                   |
| Subject: Re: [SOC] Group beating death of a young college student because  |
| of racial difference                                                       |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.taiwan,so |
| c.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.vietnamese References:   |
| <20012@drutx.ATT.COM>                                                      |
|                                                                            |
| Dear Chris,                                                                |
|                                                                            |
| Just want to tell you that I got your message.  Thanks for                 |
| forwarding it to soc.culture.hongkong.  It certainly gives a lot           |
| for us to think about.  Though I am upset by the incident, I try not       |
| to blame the murders.  I hope people can use love and understanding to     |
| conquer hatred.                                                            |
|                                                                            |
| Yours Sincerely,                                                           |
| Kelvin                                                                     |
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| About my protest letter as an individual American citizen to US officials. |
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| From: nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu)                               |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.taiwan,so |
| c.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.vietnamese               |
| Subject: [SOC] Protest of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen.      |
| Keywords: [SOC] Protest of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen.     |
| Message-ID: <20089@drutx.ATT.COM> Date: 7 Sep 92 06:57:28 GMT              |
| Distribution: soc                                                          |
|                                                                            |
| Dear Netters,                                                              |
|                                                                            |
| I want to thank you the following netters for their contribution to the    |
| discussion of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen, especially to    |
| kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio) who explicitly asked me     |
| to include his name in my protest letter to 28 U.S. officials who may      |
| have the power to strongly influence the justice decision of this          |
| incident. The names, titles and addresses of these officials are listed at |
| the end of this article for your reference.                                |
|                                                                            |
| +--------------------------------------------------------+                 |
| | abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)                 |                 |
| | cnn@mebsuta.Prime.COM (Can Nguyen)                     |                 |
| | emy@cs.concordia.ca                                    |                 |
| | kpham@cs.concordia.ca                                  |                 |
| | kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio)         |                 |
| | nguyen@enbp.fsu.edu (Lucy Nguyen)                      |                 |
| | onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew)                        |                 |
| | sterrett@manta.nosc.mil (Anthony E. Sterrett)          |                 |
| | tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Nhan Tran)                    |                 |
| | v-nguyen@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu (Viet-Anh V Nguyen) |                 |
| +--------------------------------------------------------+                 |
|                                                                            |
| I sent the letter that I forwarded below to the above 28 U.S. officials,   |
| under my name as an individual US citizen to protest and called for their  |
| attention to this justice matter the last Saturday afternoon, September 5, |
| 1992.                                                                      |
|                                                                            |
| I plan to follow up the forwarded letter below next week on Saturday,      |
| September 12, 1992, with a list of names of netters and friends who would  |
| also like to make their objection to this barbaric killing known to the    |
| listed officials.                                                          |
|                                                                            |
| I would like to ask the above netters and others who are interested        |
| for permission to include their name in a list of supporting petitioners   |
| that will be sent along with the above follow-up letter. I will only       |
| include your name in the list if you explicitly tell me so with a private  |
| email to my email address shown in the signature block below.              |
|                                                                            |
| Again, I want to sincerely thank the netters above for sharing their       |
| thought and concern about this justice matter. I also want to thank all    |
| netters for providing me with the opportunity to share mine.               |
|                                                                            |
| Respectfully Yours,                                                        |
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| Christopher Chu                     Voice: (303)538-3714                   |
| AT&T Bell Laboratories              Fax:   (303)538-3564                   |
| 11900N Pecos Street                 Email: nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Internet) |
| Denver, Colorado 80234                     att!drutx!nguyen     (UUCP)     |
|                                                                            |
| Disclaimer: the above opinions, comments, advices, suggestions, or ideas   |
| are my own. In this mail, I am NOT representing or speaking on behalf of   |
| AT&T or the Bell Laboratories.                                             |
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| +------------------- Begin Forwarded Letter -------------------+           |
| | RE: Protest of the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan Nguyen.   |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I have learned about  the  beating  death  of  a  Vietnamese |           |
| | college  student,  Mr.  Luyen  Phan  Nguyen,  by  a group of |           |
| | college party-goers in Coral Springs, South  Florida  during |           |
| | the last two weeks. I obtained this information from several |           |
| | articles  written  in  various  newspapers  and  the  USENET |           |
| | computer  network  news. The reference page attached to this |           |
| | letter lists six related news articles for your reference. I |           |
| | am  writing  this  letter  to  express  my concern about the |           |
| | recorded violence and to call for  your  attention  to  this |           |
| | justice matter.                                              |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I have not found any reason to justify the beating death  of |           |
| | a  human-being  due  to  racial  hatred  that emerged from a |           |
| | college party; I thought that college parties  are  supposed |           |
| | to  be joyous. I hardly can find appropriate and brief words |           |
| | to express my fright about the brutality exposed by a  group |           |
| | of  college  party-goers  that  beat  and killed an innocent |           |
| | student.  I wonder if I will ever regret, at some  point  in |           |
| | my life, for allowing my young and loved ones to continue to |           |
| | go to their favorite college parties.                        |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I  think  the  beating  death  of  Mr.  Luyen  Phan   Nguyen |           |
| | fundamentally  exceeds  the  violence demonstrated in Rodney |           |
| | King's beating. It is also beyond the  crimes  committed  by |           |
| | drug  addicts  or  serial killers. It is clearly more than a |           |
| | simple crime since its essence is about the brutal nature of |           |
| | normal  and  young  individuals  who  could  kill completely |           |
| | innocent people due to nothing but racial hatred.            |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I believe that allowing any individual among these dangerous |           |
| | people  to  be  free  on  the  our street would be a serious |           |
| | mistake. Such forgiveness would  encourage  further  serious |           |
| | threats of racism to all American people. If the individuals |           |
| | who have participated in the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan |           |
| | Nguyen  are  not  seriously  identified  and punished by our |           |
| | court, I am certain that more public killing  and  brutality |           |
| | will continue to harm and disintegrate our people.           |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I heard some people argue that the racial  violence  I  have |           |
| | described  is  not  new  and  thus,  we  should  not bother. |           |
| | Contrary to these people's belief, I would like to emphasize |           |
| | again  that  this  beating  death  of an innocent Vietnamese |           |
| | student by mostly white  young  men  is  more  serious  than |           |
| | racism;  perhaps,  the term "racism" might have been used to |           |
| | alleviate the sickness of fatal brutality. If a normal young |           |
| | individual  could have killed an innocent student in a party |           |
| | because of racial arguments, then he or she can do the  same |           |
| | thing  to  anyone  else  on our street. And if an individual |           |
| | could have killed innocent  people  because  of  hatred,  it |           |
| | would be likely that he or she would commit similar criminal |           |
| | acts again for any other reason.                             |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I want to tell all by-standers that I strongly believe  that |           |
| | the  beating  death  of  Mr.  Luyen Phan Nguyen is worth the |           |
| | serious attention of each  and  everyone  of  us.  For  this |           |
| | justice  matter  to  come  to  light, it cost the life of an |           |
| | intellectually honorable  and  innocent  Vietnamese-American |           |
| | college  student. I have no doubt in my mind that this brave |           |
| | young man would still have a lot to offer America if he were |           |
| | given an opportunity to live.  If this priceless lesson that |           |
| | taught us about the danger of  racism  and  fatal  brutality |           |
| | that  still  exist  in  our  society  today is not worth our |           |
| | attention, then, please tell me, what would?                 |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I sincerely request that you use all the power that you have |           |
| | to  fight  for  the  justice of this matter. I hope that our |           |
| | justice system will function at its  best  to  identify  the |           |
| | dangerous individuals in the beating death of Mr. Luyen Phan |           |
| | Nguyen. I respectfully request indictments that charge these |           |
| | young  but  dangerous  individuals  with  murder  for  their |           |
| | killing of our intellectually honorable and innocent society |           |
| | member.                                                      |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | I thank you in advance for your time  and  consideration.  I |           |
| | sincerely  hope  that  you  will  put  your energy into this |           |
| | matter to assure that justice is served and social order  is |           |
| | respectedly  maintained by and for all people.  I trust that |           |
| | the American votes in the past and  your  efforts  today  in |           |
| | this  justice  matter are the representative but fundamental |           |
| | constituents of the intrinsic value of our justice system.   |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | Sincerely Yours,                                             |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | Christopher Chu                                              |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | REFERENCES                                                   |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | 1.  "VICTIM WAS 'NICE GUY': LUYEN PHAN  NGUYEN  BEATEN  TO   |           |
| | DEATH  IN  CORAL  SPRINGS,"  Larry  Kahn, Forum Staff,       |           |
| | Forum, Coral  Springs-Parkland,  Vol  23,  No.34,  Sun       |           |
| | Sentinel, Florida, August 20, 1992.                          |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | 2.  "6TH SUSPECTED ARRESTED IN BEATING DEATH," Patti  Roth   |           |
| | and Ray Lynch, news source missing, August 21, 1992.         |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | 3.  "SLAIN STUDENT'S FRIENDS, RELATIVES  SAY  FAREWELL  IN   |           |
| | BUDDHIST  CEREMONY"  by  Sallie  James,  Staff Writer,       |           |
| | Coral Springs, Sun Sentinel, Florida, August 21,1992.        |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | 4.  "BAIL DENIED  TO  SUSPECT  IN  SLAYING  OF  VIETNAMESE   |           |
| | STUDENT," Fort Lauderdale (AP), August 29, 1992.             |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | 5.  "ASIAN COMMUNITY RIPS VIOLENCE,"  Kim  Margolis,  news   |           |
| | source missing, August 29, 1992.                             |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| | 6.  "TEEN'S  DEATH  SHOCKS   ASIAN   COMMUNITY,"   Marilyn   |           |
| | Garateix  and  Naftali  Bendavid,  Staff Writer, Miami       |           |
| | Herald, Florida, August 30, 1992.                            |           |
| |                                                              |           |
| +-------------------- End Forwarded Letter --------------------+           |
|                                                                            |
| +- List of Official Names ---------------+                                 |
| | Governor Lawton Chiles                 |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | The Honorable Bob Graham               |                                 |
| | U.S. Senate                            |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | The Honorable Connie Mack              |                                 |
| | U.S. Senate                            |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | Lt. Governor Buddy MacKay              |                                 |
| | Office of the Lt. Governor             |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | Mr. Robert A. Butterworth              |                                 |
| | Attorney General                       |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | Mr. Jim Smith,                         |                                 |
| | Secretary of State                     |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | Mr. T.K. Wetherell                     |                                 |
| | Speaker of the House                   |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | Ms. Gwen Margolis                      |                                 |
| | President of the Senate                |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | Mr. Robert Early                       |                                 |
| | Special Assistant to the Governor for  |                                 |
| | Minority Affairs                       |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | List of related U.S. Representatives:  |                                 |
| |                                        |                                 |
| | The Honorable Earl Huto                |                                 |
| | The Honorable Douglas (Pete) Peterson  |                                 |
| | The Honorable Charles Bennett          |                                 |
| | The Honorable Craig T. James           |                                 |
| | The Honorable Bill McCullum            |                                 |
| | The Honorable Cliff Sterns             |                                 |
| | The Honorable Sam M. Gibbons           |                                 |
| | The Honorable C.W. Bill Young          |                                 |
| | The Honorable Michael Bilirakis        |                                 |
| | The Honorable Andy Ireland             |                                 |
| | The Honorable Jim Bacchus              |                                 |
| | The Honorable Tom Lewis                |                                 |
| | The Honorable Porter Goss              |                                 |
| | The Honorable Harry Johnston           |                                 |
| | The Honorable E. Clay Shaw, Jr.        |                                 |
| | The Honorable Lawrence J. Smith        |                                 |
| | The Honorable William Lehman           |                                 |
| | The Honorable Ileana RosLehtinen       |                                 |
| | The Honorable Dante B. Rascell         |                                 |
| +----------------------------------------+                                 |
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From: zld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Zemen Lebne-Dengel)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:32:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Hijackers of Ethiopian airliner surrender in Rome
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA