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From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Xmas
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:08:21 GMT

In article <PscRVB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng) writes:
>
>        Please do not get so flustered in front of these comments.  It 
>only brings you down to his/her level if you decide to flame back.  Let 
>him/her say whatever..you can't stop that.
>        But realize...they can't stop you from proclaiming your beliefs 
>either...so please do it in a manner fitting to your beliefs.
>
>MERRY CHRISTMAS...May the Lord our God bless each and everyone of you 
>reading this message.  And may He bring you peace to your hearts wherever
>you are.
>
>j3cheng@student.business.uwo.ca (Jonathan Cheng)
>Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

Of course, one is free from believing whatever religion one chooses.  However,
I found it quite offensive and annoying when someone wishes I am 'blessed' according
to his/her own religious bias (even though I know they are of good intention).

My reasoning is that this activity is more than proclaiming one's belief.  It is
more like assumming what the others believe.  It is too much to assume they will
enjoy the 'blessing'.  If you do not enjoy the 'blessings' from Taoists, Buddhists,
Hindus ... , then don't do it to the others.

My $.02.

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From: ling@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Fung Shui for Houses
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:39:41 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Hi, netters,

A western acquaintance of mine is interested in Fung Shui (Wind Water)
aspects for domestic buildings.  I can only tell him about the "standard"
things.  Here are the current list:
- the house number must not have a 4, 5 or 0,
- never locate the stairs directly facing the front door, 
- never buy a block of land facing a street, 
- the block of land must be wider in the front,

Can you people compile a list over the Net?

Thanks in advance,

How-Hie Ling.
From: wkau+@cs.cmu.edu (Wing Keung F Au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The best HongKong can get from the current debate
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:52:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bz3z37.2yo.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Dec9.185119.808@oracle.us.oracle.com> alaw@oracle.com writes:
> ...
>I wonder how much money the big business leaders lost in the current mess
>in the stock market.  It seems like the most vocal oppositions of Patten's
>proposal are the ones who have big investments in China.
> ...

hi, alvin, haven't talked to you for a long time, ..., but, let's get
into business.

haven't any one heard of "insiders' information?"

just wondering how much stocks the chinese companies sold before
our honorable almighty chinese government made the annoucement and
hence made a huge, huge, really huge profit.  and now guess they
must be laughing at the rest of the world that they are selling

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: Lee Kwong Yiu's speech at Hong Kong
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:43:06 GMT

Hello there!
	Just like to point out that the name of the Senior Minister of
S'pore is Mr Lee Kwan Yew. Hope that this will clear any doubts about
the spelling of his name.
Have a nice day!

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bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
"It was a dark and stormy night......"	-  Snoopy
From: davidlai@unixg.ubc.ca (David TW Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: User at City Polytechnics, H.K.
Date: 13 Dec 92 07:55:00 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

To anyone reading this message:

	I have a friend at City Poly., H.K. but I couldn't `finger' her
by typing: `finger <UserID>@cphkvx.cphk.hk'.  Do anyone know the correct
way to `finger'?  For example, cphkvx is NOT the correct machine to 
`finger'?  It would be great if those who knows the method email me.
Thanks in advance!

						Regards,rads,
							David.
From: Kelvin.Leung@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:44:55 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi,

     I agree with Lin Can

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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: China not to observe Joint Declaration?
Originator: leung@bittemple
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:57:40 GMT


cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:

> Well, from what I understand, Zhu actually did not even mention the political
> reform in his speech (which is smart on his part since his mission is not on
> this topic).  Then he was prompted by the Chinese Ambassdor (I think) to UK 
> to talk a bit about the subject (perahaps because of pressure from the CG).

I also heard that story. Moreover, it is said that neither Zhu's speech draft
nor questions touch anything about HK issue. But at the end, the Ambassdor
passed a note to Zhu and Zhu had for some moment tried to put it aside but
under the (vigor) _insistence_ (Da Ngan Sik) of the ambassdor, he _read_
the content of that note. From the report of XinHua, that part of the speech
is indeed quite informal (probably not the right word), and it is suggested
that somebody higher than Zhu in ZhongNanHai has instructed Zhu (obviously
not well consulted beforehand) to deliver that part of the speech. Many people
notice the discrepancy of the XinHua report and the foreign media's interpre-
tation. There are, however, speculations that somebody in ZNH (you know who)
has tried to make Zhu "Sik Sei Mou." So much about the less and less opaque
CCP political process.

Steven
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: R10003@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Sueming Shen)
Subject: Re: The name? (Was Re: [News] Chinese Students Rank....)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:20:00 HKT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Xref: schbbs soc.culture.taiwan:19509 soc.culture.china:41035 soc.culture.hongko
From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: The name? (Was Re: [News] Chinese Students Rank....)
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:12:08 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department


In article <Bz9z5F.Jt5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) w
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>3. Chinese Students Rank Number 1 in Total in the U.S. .................. 48
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Source: The Chronicle of Higher Education, 11/25/92
>
>According to The Chronicle of Higher Education dated November 25th, Chinese
>students rank number one in the US with a total of 42,940 in the academic
>year of 92-93. The top ten  countries of foreign students are as follows:
>
>   1.    China    42,940          6.   Canada     19,190
>   2.    Japan    40,700          7.   Hong Kong  13,190
>   3.    Taiwan   35,550          8.   Malaysia   12,650
>   4.    India    32,530          9.   Indonesia  10,250
>   5.    S. Korea 25,720         10.   Pakistan    8,120
>
Since a lot of arguments on the net concerning the name of Taiwan,
let's do a little experiment:

1. What's your first impression of this subject line
   ' [News] Chinese Students Rank....'?
   In your fisrt impression, are Taiwanese students included here?

>> Yes.

2. After you continue to read that post, you see the third item is about
   Taiwan.  What name do you prefer here?  (ROC; R.O. China; Taiwan,ROC;
   Taiwan; Chinese,Taipei; or doesn't matter as long as you know what it is.)
   >> Taiwan.

3. Do you agree with this kind of category?  Do you think Taiwan's statistic
   number should be inlucded into the category 'China'?

   >> Definitely no.


The answers to the questions can reflect your opinions about these 'hot issues':
the name of Taiwan; the unification of China; the independence of Taiwan; etc.

Think your first-pop-up-mind answers.  Good Luck!

N. P. Chen 		npchen@physics.purdue.edu
12/14/92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

>soc.culture.hongkong / cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) / 11:28 pm  Dec 11, 1992 /

>1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
>   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
>   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
>   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
>   home to him, a Japanese ...

I don't know how he has such idea. As early as 19th century, there was at least
one Chinese homed there. Of course, most people living there are British.
The reason is quite simple as well. The number of house (site) are limited.
You have to buy from a current owner. If the owner prefers to sell to another
British. Well, how can you do?

And a friend told me, the peak is too wet to live.

>2. .. he was invited to join the VIP members of Jockey Club .. he was the
>   only Japanese ... the others in the VIP club that he can see are all white ..

don't know. I never been there.

-cw-
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From: garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: email at home in HongKong.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 14:59:12 HKT
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

Raju.Daryanani@p309.f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Raju Daryanani) writes:

> 
> In a msg on <Dec 10 21:11>, Aseem Ajit Rangnekar of 6:700/1.300 writes:
> 
> Samson runs a Fidonet bulletin board (Tel: 789-1267) and charges HK$2.50 per
> message (and an annual membership fee of HK$400).  He's the cheapest link I
> know of.  Compuserve costs an arm & a leg in connect charges and AT&T charges
> HK$100 per month plus $2.50 per outgoing KB.  There's also an Internet (UUCP
> currently) board that charges $80 per month flat for upto 2MB of incoming
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

They have now an alternate scheme which charges HK$ 40/month and HK$ 1 /mail.

-gary


garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
GloCom BBS - The BBS brings usenet/internet to Hong Kong Public (852)4925025
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cltong@IASTATE.EDU (Ultra Man)
Subject: Re: Xmas
Reply-To: cltong@IASTATE.EDU (Ultra Man)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:56:43 GMT


> >>>Hey!  Proud christian,
     Why are we proud ???

> >>>please show some respect for non christians,
> >>>(which would include more than 99% of all Chinese).
> >>>A less offensive greeting would be ...
> >>
> >>
> >>>Go back to your church and pray to your
> >>>white god.  Leave the rest of us alone.
    Is HE white?     

   So rude!!

   I wanna be a little offensive.  We don't press you to belive in our Lord.  We
just wanna greet you a little bit to share the joy of Chritmas.   Nothing else. 
If you want a fight, you won't get in.  
But Please respect us.  

  Moreover, what is point "99% all Chinese are non-Christians", not matter how 
many Chinese are Christians, we do have X'mas.  You have an vacation.  
What else do you want?    
   
  I found it interesting to have you posted like this.  It is hard to imagine 
a college student consider simply a greeting is offensive.  
Anyway, if you really don't like us, please talk to someone who has been a
Christian for quiet a while.  You may have many of your anger eased.
No matter how upset you are I still say:

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR
May God bless you and anyone reading this piece of news.
Hope you know better of our Lord.

Chin







Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Re: New albums release news
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:41:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.154444.5954@bmerh85.bnr.ca> whleung@bcarh466.bnr.ca (Wai-Hung Leung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.031840.4999@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> 91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk writes:
>>OK, I just heard that Andy's album will release on Friday, and Leon's too (I
>>really wonder this news about Leon's album, I think he released his album not
>>long ago...anyway
>
>Hmmm, I was told that his last album has only 2 new songs, and
>that doesn't prevent his fans to buy it.  Hey, *it* includes a
>booklet of his pictures! (Impression I get from talking with my 
>friends who are his fan is that they talk more about the pictorial 
>than the songs, funny eh?) If he has included all these new songs,
>he could not make yet another round of profit, right?

Do you mean that the two new songs would be 'The true me' and 'Pretending'?

:->
From: Frankie.Leung@p105.f121.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Frankie Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Flame
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:44:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hello All!

    I've been reading this newsgroup for a couple of weeks now but I
hesitate to write anything here. If all these flamings are how intelligent educated
chinese carry on in a _discussion_, I think we really deserve the governments
we're having now, whether it be KMT, CG, or colonial HKG.

Frankie


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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Any wishes at Christmas time?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:02:27 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong

In article <1992Dec16.011520.16228@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>Hi, Christmas time is near, and everyone is busy preparing how
>to celebrate Christmas, right? (or just preparing for the exam? :->)
>How do you celebrate your Christmas? Anywhere to go? Any wishes at
>this Christmas time?

Seriously, I have bought $100+ of *big* fireworks from Ohio and gonna play
them on the snowfields in Ann Arbor, with some wine and may be a girl-friend
(if anyone would like to take me) of course.

It gonna be real romantic if it snows like hell when I play them...  Nothing
could stop me except Michigan State Troopers or rainstorm (playing fireworks
is legal in Michigan and Ohio)

>I love Christmas holiday a lot. I don't know why, but just kinda
>like it.
>

I love it too.  X'mas is second only to Mid-Autumn Festival, even though I
am no Christian.  I just love the atmosphere.

- Louis Pang


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: China not to observe Joint Declaration?
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:50:38 GMT

In article <1ge617INNk53@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:

>|> IMHO, this is one of the biggest misunderstanding promulgated by the media.
>|> I do think the media has done a terrible job in interpreting what Zhu RonJi
>|> has said in London.

>If Zhu is a good politican at all, he would not have said such thing which is
>quite irresponsible. One shouldn't need to guess the interpretation, if 
>"so many media made the same mistake" then I am not sure who made the mistake
>first.

>Lin Can

Well, from what I understand, Zhu actually did not even mention the political
reform in his speech (which is smart on his part since his mission is not on
this topic).  Then he was prompted by the Chinese Ambassdor (I think) to UK 
to talk a bit about the subject (perahaps because of pressure from the CG).

The way he raised the issue in the form of a question is a more polite way
(less accusational, less confrontational) and works well in Chinese language
(the omission of subject).  I have no problem in understanding it once I
have read the Chinese version.  The misunderstanding could be due to
the problem in translating to English language (that a subject somehow
may have been added).

Also, there is a herd instinct in the way media think.  If you look at the
news clip from UPI/AP/Washington Post/NY Times on the news related to
China, you can't really tell the difference.  They always seem to look
at China from the same framework (e.g. you always are being reminded of
the lack of democracy and freedom and the problem of Tibet no matter
what they are talking about :-).

-cw-
From: rlei@iam.unibe.ch (Mr Raymond Lei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: TEST
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: rlei@iam.unibe.ch
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Berne, Switzerland


Sorry, just a test. Please ignore it.
From: v999r377@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (J. Salleh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Personal : To Paul A. Kwan
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi, Paul, sorry to post this in the network.  I lost your userid. 
Are you still in P.U.?

Merry Christmas

Jeff
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: wong@cs.uiuc.edu (Angeline)
Subject: from scaa
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:59:26 GMT

I read this post in soc.culture.asian.american and thought schk-ers might
have some insight.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)
 Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:48:21 GMT


Indeed!  A very good question.

From my own experiences, I can say that I never really belonged to 
any one clique, either in high school or university.  Back in my
high school days (class of 1986) there were the usual cliques,
jocks, chinese, blacks, etc.  I never really wholly belonged to 
any of them.  I did associated with various peoples who hang out
with the cliques tho.

After high school the same cliques were there, more or less.  But 
this time I see cliques of Greek students, Middle East Students, 
Hong Kong students, black students, etc.  It's also interesting to
note that the Hong Kong students seem to really keep to themselves
and not really associate a whole lot with the other students (at 
least at BU's College of Engineering I saw this).  But I got to know
people from most cliques.

BTW, can anyone explain to me the phenomenon surrounding the students
from Hong Kong?  I seem to get the impression that they all have very
wealthy parents and can afford to drive around BMW's and Porsches
(really! there are usually at least 6 BMW's parked on one block 
on campus).  My mother says that they are usually the sons of rich
HK families who come to the US to study and to find an "American"
girl to make his wife and to stay in the US.  Now I am not saying that 
I entirely believe this, but can someone shed some light on this?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: jeffzhao@sound.demon.co.uk (Jeff Zhao Jeffreys)
ReplyTo: jeffzhao@sound.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Police.....
Distribution: world
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:11:40 +0000

this is going to soc.culture.hongkong
just in case the header screws up again.

In article <1frq7iINNm65@agate.berkeley.edu> tung@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel Ka Shun Tung) writes:

>Also, in about ten year's time, there will be a "super" highway 
>connecting Hong Kong and Beijing. It will 2400 km in length and 
>will be built with the help of a Korean company.
Now this sounds very interesting. does this mean that the chinese will also have
the longest motor way in the world!!, remember that route 44 is not a motor way
for its complete length.!
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