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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:19:49 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: My first sermon! Tonight!! ARRGH!
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              Dilcher" at Aug 12, 92 3:22 pm

>
>I bet you did great!  Give us a praise report and tell us how good it was!
>Jeff
>
>--
>
>  Jeffrey A. Dilcher                                   Atlanta, GA, USA

Hi Jeffrey,
Well yes it did go well, I got favourable responses from all involved,
including the elders of my church whose opinion I respect.

I was VERY nervous stepping up to the pulpit, but as soon as I spoke I
was ok, then when I finished I was again very nervous while people were
giving their critiques!..

Anyway it was a very valuable learning experience..

to Carol, yes, I didnt puke!!





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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:18:43 PST
From:         FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Q: Origin of the term "mass".

> From Newton's Law:
>
>         Force = Mass x Acceleration.
>
> You've got this mass of people being spiritually moved (accelerated) under the
> Force of the Holy Spirit... "Blessed is the Kingdom..." and you're off!
>
> Sorry.
>
       Steve --

       Nothing to be sorry about.  A wonderful daffy-nition.  May I
       use it sometime?

       Frank
From: willm@garfield (Matthias Will)
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Subject: re-introducing myself after a long absence....
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:30:41 GMT
Organization: Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung, 6100 Darmstadt, Germany

Dear brothers and sisters,

i am sure some of you remember me, since I used to be on this list while studying
at Karlsruhe University (Germany). This was until last October, when I transferred
to Darmstadt Technical University. I don't know how much time I will have to
participate in the discussions here, but I will try to do my best, although I
have to admit that my time is very limited. Anyone who wants to know more 
about me, feel free to ask me. I will try to write a file which should tell
a little bit about who I am and the like, when I get the time. 

Yours sincerely,

Matt Will

P.S.: (no mail without it...!) A special hallo to James Kiefer, Michael Kline, Bob Weiss, Bernice Tennant, Lon Mendelsohn, Leo Wierczbowski (sp?), Jim Merritt, Elizabeth Stevens, Marty Helgesen, and of course, Madge McBurney (still our list mom?). Sorry folks, but I just couldn't resist - I'm really happy to be back!!!
 
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:48:05 EDT
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From:         Angela Zimmerman <AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      To Jesse

Item Retrieval Assistant, DADS
Phone: 588-6757


>I have some epistemological queries for those of the Roman Catholic genre.
>These are serious queries ... not flames.
>So, if you don't like my questions, PLEASE don't "flame" me  :->

I have some epistemological queries for those of the Christian genre.
These are serious queries ... not flames.
So, if you don't like my questions, PLEASE don't "flame me :->
(just as an aside, the smiley face looks a bit out of place since most of
of your questions have a condescending tone to them)

>How do you Catholics reconcile the idea that anyone who is not a
>Catholic is condemned to Hell for not being Catholic?

How do you Christians reconcile the idea that anyone who is not a
Christian is condemned to hell for not being a Christian?

>Lastly, the simple epistemological question : "How do you guys KNOW that
>what you guys believe on the above is NECESSARILY true from an authoritative
>source ... i.e., the Bible in exegetical context?"

Lastly, the simple epistemological question:  "How do you guys KNOW that
what you guys believe in is NECESSARILY true from an authoritative
source?

Oh wait, you have the bible, the only authoritative source there is.  I
don't believe in the bible, nor am I Christian, so I'm going to hell.
Isn't that what you're accusing the Catholics of doing?  To me, that's
being rather judgmental on both your parts, something I *thought* Jesus
was very specific about.  How about just exchanging ideas about they way
each of you worship God instead of calling out everyone who doesn't worship
the way you do as being wrong?  That's what *I* thought this discussion
group was all about.  Right now, too many people are accusing others of
being wrong when in reality none of us really know what's "right" when it
comes to God.
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From: kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie)
Subject: Re: Siege Mentality
Organization: Glassboro State College (Adios, Amigos)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:20:12 GMT


I wrote that "family values" seemed to be a buzzword, and that nobody seemed
to know what it was, who was attacking it, or how they were doing it.  Nobody
ever speaks in specifics about what they mean, or what they plan to do.


Joe Moore responded:

> How about Hollywood?  How many TV shows have 2 parent families that get
> along well?  Even on the sitcoms that do show two parent families (other
> than the Cosbys;-) every other joke has a sexual connotation.  If it's not a
> sitcom it's 60 minutes of straight violence.

> How about the media?  Last month, 23,000 men got together to listen to the
> Word of God and devote themselves to their God, their families and their
> country.  What did the news report?  A few statements out of context that
> made it look like Bill McCartney was trying to take over the world and a few
> gay protesters.

I'm not entirely comfortable with all of what's going on in his text, but I'll
let it stand.  Suppose we assume that there are people in Hollywood who are
actively working to disrupt "traditional families" through their programming;
suppose we assume that news organisation are actively involved in an effort to
ridicule religious devotion and make it appear dangerous.

If that is what the various candidates and religious figures mean when they
talk about those who are anti-family, it is clear to me why they never speak
about specifics:  they can do absolutely nothing about it.

What would you have the government do about the meeting with Bill McCartney
and how it was reported?  Say to the Associated Press (or whoever) "You have
not accurately described what happened, and you cannot publish that story."?
The last time a government officially controlled the news they had a paper
called `Truth' -- more precisely, `Pravda'.

There are some candidates who can control how the media report stories; there
are some candidates who can control whether married people on sitcoms are
happy with each other.  The only problem is that they are all running for the
Communist Party.


Given the First Amendment, nobody in government can do anything to control
what the newspapers print, or whether Rosanne likes her husband.  Candidates
may talk about being "pro-family", but if the media and entertainment
industries are the forces being fought, then the candidates are utterly
helpless.

They won't TELL you this, of course -- they'd never say that "I am pro-family
values, but I am utterly helpless to do anything about the anti-family media,
and it won't matter who you vote for." -- but helpless is exactly what they
are.


I suppose I should ask the question differently: can anybody identify an
attack on "family values" which the government can actually do something
about?


Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu
"Anyone can be simple if he has no facts to bother about." -- CS Lewis
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:54:20 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: what to do about people asking for money
              17 Aug 1992 23:32:27 -0700 from <DRAKE@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU>

Didn't someone say, "As you have freely received, freely give"?

Who was that, hmmmm?

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:22:13 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Reply to Darren on respecting Beliefs

Dear Darren ;

All I want to say at this juncture is simply that the idea of respecting
beliefs versus respecting people has become blurred and often merged in the
minds of many people.  I want to keep these two ideas mutually exclusive.

Now, as to your statements of "concern" about my references to Jesus
castigating the Pharisees : The point is that He of all humans held many
of their beliefs in disregard, told people publicy what these men REALLY
were in God's eyes as far as righteousness was concerned, BUT did not
personally treat them with contempt in an insulting manner.  That's all!





Jesse Carnes
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From: C058SJLX@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.spssx-l
Subject: Simple question about "LENGTH".
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:10:44 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo


 I am a new user of SPSS 4.0 running on a IBM PC.
 I have tried to change the number of lines per page of
 listing.  I have used the command SET LENGTH = XX, where
 XX is the number I want.  The SHOW command shows that the
 change has been done.  However, this does not seem to have
 any effect on the way the pages are organized in the listing.
  Still I have new pages and pages numbers ever few lines.
 When SCREEN has been set OFF, "hard" page brakes are inserted
 at each new page, but the number of lines per page is the
 same as with the default setting (lenght=24).
  Am I intrepreting the command correctly?.
   Any help would be greately appreciated, please respond by
  e-mail.
           Thanks
         Eleazar Puente.
         c058sjlx@ubvm
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:11:34 EDT
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Comments:     Originally-From: Mickey Waxman <MICKEY@UKANVM.CC.UKANS.EDU>
From:         DUBOSE@AKRONVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Error 4385

Thanks to ALL who replied to my cry for help.  Mickey Waxman came to my
rescue with the solution and I want to share it with everyone on the list.
Thanks a lot Mickey !!

Kathy DuBose
dubose@vm1.cc.uakron.edu
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
         .
         .
         .         Found the problem!   It's a little known fact that
>     PLSUM        under list input you need an asterisk right
>     PLSUM2       here to tell Spss that all preceding variables are
>     ISITEM17      |   to be read with default (numeric) format.
>     ISSUM     * <-|   same goes with any other (A2) alphanumeric, character
>     DITOOLID (A2)     variables that may be in this list.
>     DIITEM1
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:08:00 EST
Reply-To:     GILBERT KLAJMAN <KLAJMAN@APOLLO.MONTCLAIR.EDU>
From:         GILBERT KLAJMAN <KLAJMAN@APOLLO.MONTCLAIR.EDU>
Subject:      Is SPSS/PC CHAID a good buy7
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Dear Colleagues,

I just got an offer from SPSS to buy CHAID at a very attractive price.  I
presume that this is the version compatible with SPSS/PC+ Version 4.0.1.

My question--aside from the utility of the module--concerns whether this is
a good buy, given a likely change to Version 5 (for which we have a site
license).

Is Version 5 Base system likely to be downward compatible with the current
version of CHAID, or will I find that within a few months the investment is
rendered obsolete by an upgrade to the base system?

What do you think (perhaps you know)?

Gil Klajman, Sociology, Montclair State, Upper Montclair, NJ  07043
KLAJMAN@APOLLO.MONTCLAIR.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:59:26 EDT
Reply-To:     Thomas=Meehan%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
From:         Thomas=Meehan%NetAd%HSRD@HSRD.SOWO.UNC.EDU
Subject:      SPSS for Windows Network Pricing
Comments: To: spssx-l@uga.uga.edu

Does anyone know of pricing for a Network version of the Windows product.

I've tried the boys in Chicago, but they appear to be incommunicado.  I do
like their new product, though.  Any gotchas I should know about before I
bet the farm on it.

Tom Meehan
School of Social Work
Human Services Lab
UNC at Chapel Hill
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 17:07:14 EDT
From: Bob Burge <BURGER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: _Keywords_

Can someone use this medium to get a (free) subscription to _Keywords_ --
as opposed to actually writing to Chicago?


Bob Burge                                  Internet: burger@qucdn.queensu.ca
Opinion Research Unit - Queen's University - Kingston - ON - Canada - K7L3N6
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:31:06 CST
Reply-To:     Nancy <HILL@CMSUVMA.BITNET>
From:         Nancy <HILL@CMSUVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanks for help with LISREL question

Thanks for all the quick replies to my LISREL question.
Nancy
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:53:24 EDT
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From:         DUBOSE@AKRONVM.BITNET
Subject:      Error 4385

Thanks to all already replied to my mail.  Per a suggestion, maybe the
following would help:

I am running SPSS release 4.1 for IBM OS/MVS. And below is my SPSS
program:

SET MXWARNS=1000 MESSAGES=NONE
DATA LIST FREE FILE=BCDIN /
     ID
     CLINIC
     INTERVAL
     LENDX
     LENDXY
     LENSXY
     BETWEEN
     SES
     SES1
     EDSGRAD
     BDSEX
     BDRACE
     BDEMPLOY
     BDOCCUPA
     BD6
     BD7
     BDSCHOOL
     BDRELIG
     BDINCOME
     AGE
     MARSTAT
     RELIGION
     EDU
     OCCUPA
     INCOME
     MSIMP
     IASUM
     AQPOS
     AQNEG
     MUAMB2
     MUCOMPX2
     MUDEFIC2
     MUPRED2
     MUTOT2
     WCPFC
     WCSSS
     WCFOCPOS
     WCPASS2
     PLSUM
     PLSUM2
     ISITEM17
     ISSUM
     DITOOLID (A2)
     DIITEM1
     DIITEM2
     DIITEM3
     DIITEM4
     DIITEM5
     DIITEM6
     DIITEM7
     DIITEM8
     DIITEM9
     DIITEM10
     DIITEM11
     DIITEM12
     DIITEM13
     DISUM
     DISUM1
     DISUM2
     DISUM3
LIST VARIABLES=ALL
EXPORT OUTFILE=NEWFILE
EXECUTE

Thanks again,
Kathy DuBose
dubose@vm1.cc.uakron.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:28:09 EDT
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From:         DUBOSE@AKRONVM.BITNET
Subject:      Error 4385

Hi,

I am running an spss program to read a raw dataset and I keep getting
the following error:  Error number 4385 'more variables appeared in
the variable list than formats were specified for'.  The data is in
list format, with each variable separated by a space.  The record
length is (variable length) 478.  I can read this dataset in SAS
with no problems, but I need to create an spss export file so I need
to read the data with spss.  I would appreciate any help!

I am not on this discussion list, so please respond directly to me at:
dubose@vm1.cc.uakron.edu

Thanks a bunch,
Kathy DuBose
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:46:52 CDT
Reply-To:     Lorna Wong <wongl@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU>
From:         Lorna Wong <wongl@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU>
Subject:      Seemingly Unrelated Regression
Comments: To: spssx-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

Date sent:  19-AUG-1992 14:42:32
We have a user who wants to do some "seemingly unrelated regression"
or SURE. He thinks he has done this kind of analysis in SPSS. He is
also interested in getting some shrinkage estimation.

Does anybody know which procedure or what options in the
regression command will handle the above analyses? Thank you
for any input in advance.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lorna Wong   Academic Computing Services   Univ of Wisconsin-Whitewater
Internet:wongl@uwwvax.uww.edu               (414)472-5017
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From: ronni@cc.helsinki.fi
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Subject: Retail price of SPSS Windows in USA?
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:35:53 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

I would like to know the current retail price of SPSS Windows
in the USA. I'm visiting New York (Toronto also) next
September. Is the retail price actually 400 dollars, as SPSS
says in their advertisement in Byte? Also, what is the price
of the accessory modules which are due to come to market next
fall? 

In Finland, the retail price of SPSS Windows is 8000 Finnish
Marks, which equals about 2000 US Dollars... The reason for
this high price has remained totally obscure to me.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:36:40 EDT
From:         "JENNIFER A. HEISE" <jahb@Lehigh.EDU>
Subject:      Re: e-mail reference requests

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Lehigh uses a function called "REFNET" on their Campus-Wide Information
Server, which allows users to ask reference questions over the CWIS & receive
answers via e-mail. The service is staffed by a different reference librarian
each week, who checks it at 10:30 and 2:30 for questions (which appear as
email on our "INREF" account. We try to answer questions within 24 hours.
Faculty like to use it for citation verification,  quotes, etc. and we usually
get a rash of silly/trivial questions at the beginning of the fall semester.
Business is slow, but ok.  Users can also request online searches (a different
command & form) which are sent to INREF; some users get their search results
this way, but not many. Also, Photocopy, ILL, Recall & Order request forms are
available. The setup was described in a 1989 article in Rq (or was it Coll &
Research Libraries) by Christine Roysdon (my boss) and Laura Elliot. We have
changed operating systems & computers since then, and the templates aren't
fully operational yet, but the system works the same.
Jennifer Heise                           Net: jahb@lehigh.edu
Reference Dept.,                         Phone: (215) 758-3072
Fairchild-Martindale Libraries #8A,  Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015
****"You know I don't know so many things, but I know what's been goin' on:
****They put in a nickel, and they want a dollar song"--Melanie Kafka
My opinions are my own. No one else would HAVE them anyway.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:53:25 EDT
From:         "Joan Latta Konecky" <joank@unllib.unl.edu>
Subject:      e-mail reference requests
Comments: cc: Jeanetta Drueke <jeanetta@unllib.unl.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We are currently developing policies and procedures related to providing
library service for distance (offcampus) learners.  Are there any
reference departments using e-mail to receive or answer reference
questions from patrons, especially from distant/offcampus locations??
What problems and (hopefully) solutions did you find??
Also, has anyone developed a template or other methods to guarantee
receiving complete and relevant information with the request??

			Many thanks,  Joan

>>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<->>*<<

    Joan Latta Konecky, Coordinator	Phone: 402-472-2519
    Computer Search Services	  	Fax:   402-472-5131
    204B Love Library	  		Internet: joank@unllib.unl.edu
    University of Nebraska-Lincoln
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:56:31 EDT
From:         Debra Carver <DCARVER@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Speakers needed

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The RASD MOPSS Professional Development Committee
is Sponsoring an information session at the
Midwinter Conference on "Effective Training/Orientation
Programs for New Reference Librarians." If your library
has a program in place and you would be willing to be part
of a panel discussion, the Committee would like to hear
from you. Or, if you know of other libraries that have
effective programs in place, please let us know.
Thank you.

Deb Carver
Chair, MOPSS Professional Development Committee
dcarver@oregon
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