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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami-ND
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:34:32 GMT



In article <1992Oct2.170858.6668@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@foster.helios.nd.edu (Ro
bert Szczerba) writes:
>
>As a loyal ND fan, I'd like to comment on the above post.  I've
>definitely got a lot of respect for the FSU program.  I think they
>should've won the MNC at least once over the past few years.  They're
>definitely my favorite team from the state of Florida.
>
>... but I still want Miami to win the game this weekend.  I don't
>think there's too much more a loyal ND fan could want than to play
>an undefeated, #1 ranked Miami in the Fiesta Bowl and just beat
>the crap out of them.
>
Unfortunately, this probably won't happen.  It is obvious from the polls that 
the "wonderfully intelligent" sportswriters and such are treating the tie as an
ND loss.  The only way ND will even get close to a title match-up on New Year's
Day is if Miami wins this weekend, and Notre Dame beats an UNdefeated Penn 
State.  In other words, A LOT has to happen with other teams in order for ND to
have a shot.  It's unfortunate.  Who knows though, maybe a miracle can happen! 
:) :) :) :)

My guess is that whoever loses the game this weekend STILL won't be ranked 
below ND, even if we crush Stanford.  Media bias at its best. ;)
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Obnoxious Maryland TD Celebrations
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:00:25 GMT
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Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu


   My trip to Maryland for the Panther-Turtle fiasco went well.
Maryland's campus is lovely, it's fans loud but well-behaved, and the
football was exciting although disappointing for Pitt fans.  However, I
have one small nit to pick with the Maryland fans.

   Their post-score celebrations are damaging to one's hearing.  They
celebrate with such enthusiasm that one is led to believe that
a Marlyand score is a rare event.

   Here's what happens after Maryland scores a touchdown:

   - A very loud cannon is fired.  The first time I heard this, I jumped
about 3 feet in the air and almost spilled a drink on my cameras.  You
can feel a kick in your chest when the cannon goes off.

   - After the PAT, the cannon is again detonated.

   - An air-raid siren is piped into the PA system at ear-splitting
levels for around 30 seconds.  If you think 30 seconds is a short period
of time, have a friend call you on the phone and let it ring for 30
seconds.  You'll change your mind.

   - Finally, a boater's CO2 air horn is beeped once for each point in
Maryland's total.

   Maryland scored 47 points Saturday night.  I left the game damn near
deaf.  The next time I'm asked to photograph a game there, I'm dragging
an OSHA inspector and a decible meter along.  :-)

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
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From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami (one more opinion)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:35:55 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct1.145140.7854@cs.wm.edu>, djryan@ct.cs.wm.edu (David J. Ryan) writes:
|> 
|> Another thing Miami and FSU have in common: they both despise the
|> Chicken Littles of U-Florida and ND, the two most rabid, froth-at-
|> the-mouth collections of *wackadoos* ( :-) ) in college football.

Just out of curiousity, why does FSU care about ND?  They don't play
each other and haven't for years.  I don't think ND really cares one
way or the other about FSU, if anything ND fans root for them to beat
Miami.

|> If FSU doesn't win the NC, Miami will. Just adding my $0.02 to
|> the continuing debate about the good (FSU), the bad (Miami), and
|> the uglies (ND and UF).

Does Florida State play anyone tough this year besides Miami? (Not a
flame, I just want to know.)

|> Dave Ryan

Bob Jones
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Huskies and parties
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:35:11 GMT

In article <1aai76INNd5i@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes:
>
>I saw on the news the mention of some UW Huskie players that partied a
>bit too much this last weekend.  Did they get in trouble with the law?
>Or was is just general no-info news that I heard.

  Yes, it is true.  Some football players (I don't know which ones), probably
some peons, got in a fraternity-related fight.  From what I've heard, it
was a bar-type brawl.  An Asian girl (not involved with the Greek system) was 
hit in the face with a bottle.  It shattered and blinded one of her eyes!!  :(
I also heard that there were racial slurs towards the girls.
  I don't know the identity of the players, but I assume they weren't anyone
significant, otherwise, there would be a big stink about it.
 
  It is embarrassing to the school, students, and the fans that something
like this should happen, especially this week with the high ranking and the
attention that Washington is getting.  Depending on how much these players 
were involved, the school and the athletic department will take disciplinary 
action against the athletes.
  Don James always stresses discipline and will not cut anyone slack.  If I
was in those athletes' shoes, I would be more affraid of Don James than the
law enforcement...

>BTW Someone posted that UW, by going to the Rose Bowl three times in a
>row would break know records needs to go over thier facts again, USC
>has done it a couple times.

 I wouldn't be surprised if they already have done this.  If you get more
info about this, please post.  I am interested in knowing the years and 
all.

>And for those who hate the USC band and its "song" - don't worry, the
>band director has sold out due to all the pressure and plays "Tribute
>to Troy" only half the time - not all the time :-(

 Oh joy!!!  :)  This really helps.

>I'm looking forward to the USC/UW game.

 So are we all.

>Fight On!

 Bow Down to Washington

>Brian A. Kowal
>

-Behzad
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: who FSU has never lost to/beaten
Keywords: also assorted ramblings
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:32:06 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) wrote:
}
}                              Hmmm, here's something for you 'Noles to chew
}on: FSU is 0-7-1 lifetime against Georgia Tech. 

However, it is important to note that the 8 meetings between Tech and
Florida State occurred between 1952 and 1975, when FSU was not very
good and Tech was anywhere from average to the best team in the country.
Also, all of the games were played at Grant Field (as this year's is,
thank heavens.)

Still it's nice to have that 7 game cushion and be able to say that
Tech has a winning record against every other team in the ACC, and
probably will for some time to come.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

    "I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!"
From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: 1-AA the true no 1 team
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:51:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Sep30.185158.2350
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Too bad Troy St of Alabama isn't elgible. They may be the best team in 1-AA
this year. I believe they won a Division II National Championship a few
years back.
From: ds4@north3.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:26:00 GMT

In article <Bvo6G7.JH1@ais.org>, ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
|> Rankings don't particularly mean all that much come game day.  
|> As upsets can attest, some teams have good days and some have bad days.  
|> A team may be ranked number whatever against the run, but walk onto 
|> the field and execute poorly all day--not pick up on plays quickly 
|> enough, tackle poorly, have a key player get injured, whatever.  

My question to you is, how can you judge a team then.  They might of had 4 great
days in a row, and all their oppenents could be having bad days.  So, in theory,
Navy could be the best team in the country...the best team with a lot of bad
days :)

|> My point is that number 2 can meet number 3 and both of them play like 
|> crap.  I'm NOT saying that happened with FSU/Miami, but I think 
|> both teams could have played better.  I saw quite a few mistakes 
|> made on both sides.  
|> ----
|> Steve

I am not picking on you Steve, but alot of people have been calling the 'game'
sloppy, and filled with mistakes.  That is looking at the game from an offensive
point of view.  I love defense and loved that game.  Both defenses were
dominating the whole game, with Miami's a little stronger (allowed only 3 field
goals, one of which was set up by a return.  Had to put that one in :) ) The
defenses were overpowering and caused the offenses on both teams to do things
which resulted in 'mistakes'; such as, throwing to soon because two 270 pound
linemen are in the QB's face.  If the game turned out to be 42 - 35 offensive
war (i.e. who can out score the other...the Bills :) ), no one would be
saying how slopy the game was.  But in my opinion the game would be just as
sloppy, because the D's did not do what they were supposed to be
doing....stopping the other team.

-ds4

P.S. - Both offenses and defenses played to their abilities...it is just the
defenses had a little bit more :)
From: guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: question: rules concerning missed/blocked fieldgoals
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:29:52 GMT
Organization: Atmos. Science, Colorado State Univ.

In article <lcei8rINNn9r@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> gerke@hydra1b.cs.utk.edu (Mark 
Gerke) writes:
>In the last 2 Tennessee games there has been a blocked field goal and a missed
>fieldgoal from the 3 yard line.  
>
>What are the rules for placing the ball for the change of possession? 
>For the missed attempt from the 3 they placed it at the 20 is that because 
>the ball went out the back of the end-zone?

Yes, a field goal is just like a punt (a scrimage kick). If the ball becomes
dead in the end zone, or it goes out of bounds in the end zone, it is a touch-
back and the ball comes out to the 20 yd line. An interesting thing is that a
player on the defense (i.e. opposite the kicking team) can run the ball out of
the end zone, just like a punt!

>Where is the ball placed if the attempt is blocked?
 
Again, it is just like a punt.  If the ball is blocked, and it goes out of
bounds between the goal line and the line of scrimage, it belongs to the 
defense at the yd line where it went out of bounds. If it goes out of bounds
in the end zone, it is a touchback and goes to the 20 yd line. If the ball
goes out of bounds behind the line of scrimage, it belongs to the defense at 
that point (i.e: if it was kicked from the 3 yd line and blocked and it rolls 
out at the 18 yd line, it belongs to the defense at the 18). There are many
other situations that can happen: The kicking team can recover a blocked kick
behind the line of scrimage and advance it, but can not if it goes beyond the
line of scrimage.  For more details, see the 1992 NCAA Football Rules book. 

J. Knowles                              GO CLONES!!!
knowles@tachu.atmos.colostate.edu       1993 Final Four Hoops
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Keywords: replacement for the saint..
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:11:12 GMT


Who else would I rather have....well, a few years ago there was this guy from
the state of washington...what was his name...something like Erickson I think.
:)




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From: UCPL085@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 16:54:37 CST

In article <1992Oct4.190737.25340@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
 
>
>
>What the hell? Did "Saint Bobby" suddenly find out he is a distant relative
>of Lou Holtz? I mean, come on! A field goal?! With our kickers?! What gives
>with this nonsense? The clock was stopped with eight ticks to go. Anyone
>with at least one brain cell would call a play and try for the win. But noooo.
>Not Bobby. What a dork. Hell, even a good old fashioned "hail mary" pass would
>have been better than that sorry excuse of a call. What a waste. Poor Vanover,
>he choose FSU cause he wanted to be on the team that wins the first national
>championship at FSU. Well, I feel sorry for him...'cause with Bowden at the
>helm FSU will _NEVER_ win ans NC. Bowden has got to be the limpest dick of all
>coaches in division 1A football.
>
>
>--- end ranting ---
>
>
Did you forget about Tom Osborne??? We would gladly trade Tom for Bobby..
 
>
>
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: wuck fashington!!!
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:24:33 GMT

In article <10971@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>In article <BvFKM2.Lp6@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.005606.10267@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu
>> (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>Are you feeling insecure because Charlie Ward can't tell the difference
>>between a receiver and a safety?  I thought this thread was about 
>
>Ward has thrown 9 INTs on the season, but he has also thrown for over
>1000 yards already, and is on a pace to break many FSU single season QB
>records. (Including the INT record!) His performace has improved
>steadily over the season, and the offense has produced well in the past
>two games. The young offensive line is starting to come together, as is
>Ward's grasp of the One-back set, which FSU started running this year.
>All things considered, he's shown steady improvement from week to week.
>I was under the impression that Grbac cannot say the same. Anyone from
>UM care to post some stats? (Bill M-S is excluded due to his admirable
>defense of FSUs schedule)
>
>>Washington.  Don't they teach geography at FSU? 
>
>hyuck hyuck, durn if I know, goober. Oh, waitaminute, that's in Texas.
>Hell if I know.
>
>>I guess beating us meant a great deal to you.  
>
>Yes, it did mean a great deal to most FSU fans. Many of us who are old
>enough to remember the 'good old days' recall 0-11 seasons, and getting
>regularly pasted by lumbering behemoths like Michigan. This general
>inferiority complex has not been eliminated by a mere decade of success
>(in many fans). This, coupled with the near victory in A2 in '86(?), and
>the exciting nature of that game, made it quite satisfying. Reasonable?
>
>David Poore
>poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

Sure.  It's reasonable.  I'm still curious as to how a thread about 
Washington created a rant against the Wolverines.  

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From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble)
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Review (9/26/92)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:07:05 GMT

In article <DPASSAGE.92Sep28155805@soda.berkeley.edu> dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich) writes:
>
>   In article <1992Sep28.072037.12906@u.washington.edu>, 
>	crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>
>   >Next Week's games:  (Send your Pac Ten Pundit's Picks by Thursday!!!)
>   >
>   >Oregon State @ California
>   >California has a bye.
>
>In article <1992Sep28.170314.8478@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, 
>	godfrey@cs.washington.edu (Garr Godfrey) writes:
>
>   Then who is Oregon State playing?
>
>Isn't it clear?  Playing Oregon State counts as a bye. :)
>
>David Paschich
>GO BEARS!

David, how long have you been following Cal?  Since the Copper Bowl
year?  I thought so.

YOU JUST WOOFED US OUT OF THE DAMN GAME!

There are two rules about Cal football:

(a) Just when you are *sure* you know the outcome of the game, you are
dead wrong.

(b) Nobody, not even the 107th team of the 107 Div I-A schools, is a
sure win for Cal.  EVER.

Shit, even Fierro is trying to keep Cliff from woofing us into
oblivion, and here you rise to the bait.

Brian
  -Try Hard Bears!
  -Be Dilligent!
  -Ignore the Ink!

(PS: Cal's record v. OSU while I was an undergrad: 1-2-1.)
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Weekend wacky, wacky WACplay
Date: 27 Sep 1992 19:12:11 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>* The Hawaii-BYU game was of the most *bizarre* games I have ever
>  seen. I saw at least 5 INCREDIBLE catches made on both sides. At
>one point, Hancock was just throwing it downfield and the BYU
>receivers were catching anything in their vicinity. One thing you
>have to say about the BYU receivers, they may not be the fastest in
>the country, but they run perfect patterns, and catch everything
>thrown at them. 
It seemed as though most of the initial passes Hancock threw were into double
coverage.  Hancock, IMHO, has a stronger and more accurate arm than either
Walsh or Clements.  However, he doesn't seem to read defenses well.  Blitzes
were not picked up well.  Unlike his predecessors, he was able to involve many
receivers in the game.  I think with time, Hancock could gain the
defense-reading and leadership abilities needed to make him a really good
quarterback.

>* Did anybody catch the BYU WR yell 'F___ you' at the crowd after he
>  scored their go ahead TD?
That was Byron Rex.  He must have been out of his mind.  When he tauntingly
held out the football toward the defender at the one yard line, I almost
fainted.  I hope the coaches straighten him out.
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From: ktreole@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kathleen Treole)
Subject: Re: Ohio State fans have a lot of excuses
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:01:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.132743.3543@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.ed
u (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>This is not a flame; it is an observation.  So please, nobody take extreme
>umbrage at this.  :^)
>
>I have seen more excuses/analysis over TOSU's loss to Wisconsin than I've
>seen for about any other game.  Why?  It seems to me the TOSU fans on the
>net are very analytical when it comes to football, and they always have
>some sort of an excuse for bad play.
>
>How about this:  "Ohio State sucked last week".  Short, concise, and
>accurate...
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Might we be just a little big prejudice since you are from Wisconsin?
I think it's only natural to analzye your team and find specific
weaknesses rather that just say "they sucked"...because they do not suck..if 
they did suck, they wouldn't have won any games at all this season.  The 
Syracuse game was evidence that Ohio State does not suck...just at some times, 
as all teams can, will  get 'under the weather' so to speak.

kat
From: djryan@ct.cs.wm.edu (David J. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: FSU-Miami (one more opinion)
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:51:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct1.145140.7854
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693


With all the BS about either Miami or FSU blowing out the other,
the fact remains that you've got the two *best* teams (as usual)
going head to head in what promises to be another last-second
special. The two teams have so much in common with each other
that the pick is always a toss-up. My bet is that FSU wins where
it used to always beat Miami - IN Miami (unfortunately, FSU 
usually loses to Miami at home). Another last-second nail-biter!

Another thing Miami and FSU have in common: they both despise the
Chicken Littles of U-Florida and ND, the two most rabid, froth-at-
the-mouth collections of *wackadoos* ( :-) ) in college football.
If FSU doesn't win the NC, Miami will. Just adding my $0.02 to
the continuing debate about the good (FSU), the bad (Miami), and
the uglies (ND and UF).

Speaking of uglies, wasn't Gainesville renamed some years ago from
Hogtown (if my memory serves me correct) ? Hmmm. The more things
change, the moer things really DO ....



Dave Ryan


Gator? No, sir, them thar's just boots and purses in the makin'.
From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Miami size (was: "Re: wuck fashington!!!")
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: stassen@alc.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

Kevin Delgado writes:
> Um, for those people in Michigan (not naming names or anything) who think
> that either Florida, FSU, or Miami have *ahem* small players on defense [...]

> Miami defense: (averages of team starters)
> Defensive line (4): Height:6-3 3/4 Weight:266  40yrd dash speed: 4.84
> Linebackers (3):           6-1 2/3        227                    4.51
> Secondary (4):             6-1/4          189                    4.50

Ohio State defense: (averages of team starters)
Defensive line (3):   Height: 6-4     Weight: 270   40: 4.95 (estimated)
Linebackers (4):      Height: 6-3.5   Weight: 232   40: 4.6 (estimated)
Secondary (4):        Height: 6-2     Weight: 198   40: 4.5 (estimated)

Miami's linebackers are fast, but undersized (even Ohio State's linebackers
are a little light -- 240 would be a better average).  Miami's secondary
isn't that fast (a team like Washington would probably average 4.45 or so,
and everyone in the top 20 is probably under 4.6) and it's also undersized.
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
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From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: MNC?
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:34:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.143816.2291@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Sep25.172121.10927@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:
>>
>>I know the NC stands for National Champs, but what does the M stand for???
>>
>>Sorry if you think this is dumb but I've been wondering about this for
>>a several weeks.
>
>It stands for "Mythical National Championship", as it is decided by
>sportswriters, and not on the field.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Brian E. Saunders                       saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
 
Brian's definition is correct.  Some people would have you believe that
the coaches' poll determines the MNC.  They have been seduced by the
marketing masters of superficial news, USA Today and CNN who now run
the coaches' poll.  DO NOT BE FOOLED!
The Bowl Coalition was not fooled.  Last week they announced that
the AP sportswriter's poll would be used whenever Bowl Coalition rules
require a ranking of college football teams.
 
-- 
Jon_Schmidt@stortek.com  Storage Technology Corporation
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