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From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Petrenko as Pro
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:08:43 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa

In article <1992Apr6.114458.17189@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:
>Those who were following the sidebar stories from the Worlds may recall that 
>Viktor Petrenko was going straight to pro skating after his (winning)
>performance.  Well, his first competition was this weekend, and he came in 
>second behind Scott Hamilton.  And for those of us who were wondering about 
>that infamous long program - it was judged 6th (of 8 competitors).
>
>CBS will be showing highlights this Saturday at 1:30 p.m. EDT - right up 
>against NBC's coverage of the exhibitions from the Worlds.  Ought to be 
>interesting...

Wow - according to CBC, the competition was going to be against Boitano,
Orser, and a couple of others as well as Hamilton.  Were they all
present?  Scottie beat them all?

Helena, thanks for the info about the TV coverage.  I try to watch the
weekend Sports anthologies (is there a name for Wide World of Sports,
etc?) when they cover skating, but often miss it because we're busy with
our weekend errands.  I caught most of the exhibitions on CBC Sunday,
but I'll be sure to set up the vcr for the pro competition.

As an aside, I don't know if NBC will show this, but since Browning only
placed second, he did not have an encore planned.  The cheers from the
crowd (high Canadian content?) "forced" him back on the ice, so he went
back out, did a couple of jumps, then exited with a backflip.  However,
he fell on the backflip and landed flat on his back; quick thinking, he
did a backstroke right off the ice!  It tied in really well with his
great ex. program, which was sports in Canada, and might have looked
planned, except the camera stayed on him.  He covered his face in
obvious embarrassment; when he moved his hands, you could see he was
beet red, and he said "I meant to do that" (with an implied NOT).

Barbara Underhill remarked that his back must be all better, since he
showed no pain at all when leaving the area.

I still admire his composure; Brian Williams' word is dignity.  He could
teach Lloyd Eisler a thing or two in the personality department.
-- 
Diane MacMartin       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd     Ottawa, Canada
mdm@bnr.ca            Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR.
=========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========
From: ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:07:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.skate

A number of responses to this post have mentioned the need to warn folks
up ahead that I'm heading their way.  I agree this is both the polite and
safe thing to do, and I try to do this while bicycling and inlining
(I normally use the 'on your left' call, although, as others have noted,
distance and wind noise sometimes make this pretty futile).

However, I've always wondered what do about the large number of individuals
that jump like startled rabbits when I do this.  Some people jump right off
the path (I've actually had a couple people leap INTO my path).  I almost
feel like they would prefer that I'd have kept quiet and just gone by.

Anyone figured out a good way of warning without startling, or is this just
an inevitable effect of sharing the road with people who have no clue as to
the use of the practice?  (I'd love to be able to call out `skater on your
left, but you've already left plenty of room, just be warned that I'll be
going by you and don't make any sudden moves to the left', but somehow I
don't think this would be practical :-) ).

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Roces Skates
Summary: A new high-quality inline hits the marketplace
Reply-To: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:04:32 GMT

Roces, the Italian company that has been manufacturing Rollerblade's stuff for
the last 10 years, can now legally make their own skates. They are; the
current issue of Rocky Mountain Sports and Fitness has a full-page ad of the
LAX model. It's a lace-up with a cuff buckle.

The boot looks extremely well-ventilated -- far beter than the Aeroblade. The
cut is a bit lower than the women's TRS skate (I like that height). The
runners appear to be quite lightweight -- they may be flimsy or they may be OK
(can't tell from just a picture).

The skate definitely looks hot.

I have no word on distributors....the ad mentions Exel Marketing as the US
importer. I know that Stevie Snyder is going to be the local rep for these
skates, but I have no idea what shops will be selling them.

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Subject: Re: Petrenko as Pro
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:20:20 GMT
Summary: Now for additional comments/observations

In article <1992Apr7.181532.14258@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.120843.19759@bcrka451.bnr.ca> mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin) writes (in part):
>>In article <1992Apr6.114458.17189@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:
>>>Those who were following the sidebar stories from the Worlds may recall that 
>>>Viktor Petrenko was going straight to pro skating after his (winning)
>>>performance.  Well, his first competition was this weekend, and he came in 
>>>second behind Scott Hamilton.  And for those of us who were wondering about 
>>>that infamous long program - it was judged 6th (of 8 competitors).
>>
>>Wow - according to CBC, the competition was going to be against Boitano,
>>Orser, and a couple of others as well as Hamilton.  Were they all
>>present?  Scottie beat them all?

OK, now that I've watched the weekend's coverage...

- Scott Hamilton skated a brilliant, intense artistic program (after stumbling 
  a bit in the technical) which deserved to win.  Petrenko made a big mistake 
  using his Olympic long program for the artistic - he would've blown everyone 
  away had he used his Elvis exhibition program (which he and his coach had 
  considered).  As for the others, Brian Orser had his share of problems (as 
  he's had during most pro events I've seen this year), Robin Cousins seemed 
  lackluster, and Gary Beacom and Robert Wagehoffer seem underrated (only 
  Beacom's artistic and Wagenhoffer's technical programs were shown).

- Anybody else wonder about Katarina Witt's victory in light of her Diet Coke 
  commercials and the fact that Coke sponsored this event?  Though her 
  technical program was the best I've seen from her in a long time and her 
  artistic was better than in her show, I can't help but think Debi Thomas got 
  robbed.

That's enough...
Helena Robinson
AT&T
Basking Ridge, NJ
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: B's Knees (Bowman's "injury")
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:53:55 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <996@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> hack@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr2.164917.3123@wdl.loral.com> zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com
> >
> >Thanks for all of the letters responding to my idea of an ice skating
> >newsgroup.  It sounds like there is some interest out there, but
> >the traffic would probably be low, and from what I am told, setting
> >up a new newsgroup would take a couple of hundred hours of time.
> >(Which I would rather spend on the ice!)  So I guess I'll leave well
> >enough alone.
...
> Personally I think it would be great to have a newsgroup just for ice
> skating.  We don't have a kill option at our site and I get tired of \
> wading through articles about in-line skating.  No offense, but it's
> just not what I am interested in.  I often skip reading this newsgroup 
> altogether because all I ever see are those kinds of articles.  From 
> what I understand, setting up a new newsgroup does not take that long
> (certainly not 200+ hours).  Unfortunately, we have intense restrictions
> at our site which would prevent me from such an undertaking, but I 
> would do it if I could!!!

Well, nobody's going to go out of their way to stop you.  The group as
it exists today was created because all kinds of skaters wanted a place
to talk about skating.  We probably could have gone for rec.in-line and
gotten that through, but that would have left conventional roller skaters
(like me) and ice skaters (like you) out in the cold.

Tolerance please.  You have no idea how tedious all the olympic ice and
other competitive skating stuff is!  [down Albert]  Still, I like to
read about other aspects of ice skating and even in-line stuff.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: adchen@roof.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:55:12 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr10.162434.28244@arris.com> rec@arris.com (Roger Critchlow) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.153915.8894@netwise.com> pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>>
>>First off, continue to improve your braking. Really good stoppers can spill
>>about a MPH/foot; you had at least twice that distance to stop.
>>
>Third, adopt some means of alerting the inattentive to your approach.
>Unless you've got really sloppy bearings, you won't be making all that

I've found that a good way to insure both speed-control and pedestrian 
awareness is to use the brake-pad as squeaky as you can  OR  do one
of the wheel drags to create noise.  So while you slow down, the
frictionally-challenged people (ObPC_Term 8-) also know that you're 
approaching.


Side note:  thanks to Phil for the freebie copy of Inline Magazine (Dec 91).

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Subject: Re: Rollerblade vs California Pro
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:49:50 GMT

Although California Pro isn't usually discussed as one of the "top" brands,
I bought a pair anyway and LOVE them.  I think they are as good if not 
better than many of the higher priced brands.  I am VERY happy with the
quality of the skates and feel I've gotten a real BARGAIN.

Barbara Kane					              (916) 928-6380 
Unify Corporation				          Fax (916) 928-6410
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From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Subject: Petrenko as Pro
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:44:58 GMT
Keywords: pro figure skating

Those who were following the sidebar stories from the Worlds may recall that 
Viktor Petrenko was going straight to pro skating after his (winning)
performance.  Well, his first competition was this weekend, and he came in 
second behind Scott Hamilton.  And for those of us who were wondering about 
that infamous long program - it was judged 6th (of 8 competitors).

CBS will be showing highlights this Saturday at 1:30 p.m. EDT - right up 
against NBC's coverage of the exhibitions from the Worlds.  Ought to be 
interesting...

Helena Robinson
AT&T
Baskig Ridge, NJ
attmail!hrobinson
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: alternative brakes [Re: Rollerblading]
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:49:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.17APR199210490197
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ABOULANG.92Apr16170206@kariba.bbn.com>, aboulanger@bbn.com writes...
>In article <1992Apr16.184338.14487@netwise.com> pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
> 
>   A similar program of education and possible penalties for out-of-control
>   skaters should be instituted.
> 
>I think (personally) that it will take a combination of equipment evolution
>and education.

I can't think of any activity in which equipment stops evolving ... but
we *have* a design that works, and is effective, for those who take the
time to learn it. Most people wouldn't consider taking to skis without
some lessons, and only the truly irresponsible would take a car on the
road without first learning to control it. Why should that be any different
on skates? The main issue is to create a social context in which a new
skater is strongly encouraged to get appropriate instruction.

>   I see no advantage to a skate's having both a front and a rear brake
>   simultaneously (whether or not the rear brake is loose :-). Too much clearance
> 
>The advantage I claim is mostly for beginners.

This somewhat defeats the ability to learn to use the brake effectively.
Learning a motion that isn't the same as the one that will ultimately
be used isn't going to help anyone learn the other motion. For a complete
novice, I suspect neither the front nor the rear brake is particularly
easy; why not start a beginner out directly with the rear brake that
lots of us *do* find to be an effective way to stop? 


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: In-Line Skates and Dog Excercise
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:57:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.123880001
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> I would also recomend a SHORT leash. this lets the dog know you're there & in
> control. besides it's fun to be able to pet your dog & urge him on while he's
> flying you down the street.

I disagree. A long leash gives you more time to avoid the dog when he/she
decide to stop and cut you off for some reason or another :-)

My dogs like to pull this trick on me: They run fairly fast then stop 
dead in their tracks to do their business in the street. (plastic bags are
a good way to keep a friendly relation with the neighbours in this case...)

bruno.
From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Mikori Ito
Summary: It's true
Keywords: Quitting
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:55:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr13.142847.25366@gould.encore.com> tflynn@infocenter.encore.com (Tonya Flynn) writes:
>Pardon me if this is old news or if it has already been discussed.
>
>Yesterday's local newspaper had a brief, one paragraph, annnouncement
>that Midro Ito has quit skating.  Although I don't have the newspaper
>handy for accurate reference, I think the article indicated this was 
>an announcement by her employer, some hotel outfit in Tokyo.
>I got the impression she was dropping skating totally--not turning pro,
>not a temporary thing, etc.

Alas, it's true.  The NY Times had a  single paragraph about this in 
yesterday's paper, from an Associated Press article.  USA Today had a one-liner 
in the front page of the Sports section.  Apparently, at 22, Midori wants to do 
something else with her life, the reports say.  There had been rumors to this 
effect around the time of the Olympics, so I for one can't say I'm surprised.

Helena Robinson
AT&T
Basking Ridge, NJ
attmail!hrobinson
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From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: US source for Rollerblades sought
Keywords: Rollerlade Mail Order
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:46:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: netwise.1992Apr13.194640.6492
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO

In article <alves.7@vaxld.ameslab.gov> alves@vaxld.ameslab.gov (Luis Alves) writes:
>	I haven't tried a pair of buckles that fit my foot so far. I am 
>looking at laces now.

In article <alves.6@vaxld.ameslab.gov> alves@vaxld.ameslab.gov (Luis Alves) writes:
>	I would also like to know if there's a mail order where I can get
>a rollerblade cheaper. Thanks in advance !

Juxtaposing these separate postings, it appears if you're saying that you're
going into local shops, looking for a skate that fits, and then want to buy
that skate via mail-order, saving money in the process.

If this is indeed what's happening, I request that you buy your skates locally
instead. It costs money to stock those skates that you're fitting. When you do
find one that fits, you should reward the local vendor for his efforts. With
his support, he has added value to the skates you're buying (i.e., They fit!).

It may be useful to have service available locally in the future -- you may
want instruction, spare parts, maintenance advice, etc. Part of the price of
the skate goes to this after-purchase support.

My rule is that if I know exactly what I need (in skates, accessories, etc.),
then it's all right to order via mail-order. If I need any advice from a local
shop, I will buy my gear from them. Good advice is valuable; it's appropriate
to reward shops for providing me that service.

>Luis (alves@iastate.edu)

I don't know if Rollerblade skates are available via mail order. Shops
probably discourage Rollerblade from doing it; there's some percentage of the
population who will put their priority on getting the absolute lowest price.
Shops do not like sizing boots for people to turn around and buy them elsewhere.

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Adult Figure  Skating (Ice) Concerns - update 4/15/92
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:30:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr17.013025.6537
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Joe, 

I heard about the same thing about the Alaska set-up relating to the 
vote on figure competitions. I think it sucks.  I guess that means that
we are going to have change our name to the United States Free Skating
Association and the next thing you know figures will be a thing of the 
past.  Soon after, all of our skaters will be skating with the skill 
and finesse of a certain little French acrobat who wears skates.  If
I am wrong, I stand corrected, but DON'T take away the figure competi-
tions.

Jack Wallace

--
From: jdc5@quads.uchicago.edu (jonathan cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.food.drink
Subject: cats meow
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:12:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr7.211209.23815
Reply-To: jdc5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

this was a helpful posting, and one that i will use.
however, it might have been wiser to post it at an ftp site so readers could download the thing, rather than concatenating the huge mess.
Newsgroups: rec.food.drink
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Good (made from scratch) Bloody Mary 2nd try
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 20:04:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.215315.17326@hubcap.clemson.edu> dowling@hubcap.clemson.edu (william a dowling) writes:
>
>	It seems that the first post got screwed so here I am agian.  Does 
>anybody have a good Blood Mary recipe? I've tried a few 'store bought' mixes
>and was not impressed at all. Email or post here would be fine.  Better
>yet everyone send me a recipe and I'll try them all and rank them.

first - avoid 'store bought' - there's too much vinegar, etc in them

second, the amounts have to be adjusted to your own likes/dislikes, so
the following are more 'to taste' than actual measurements

take a tall glass (12oz) & rinse the top portion with water (enough to
get the edge wet); then while holding the glass by the base, angle it
slightly and while moving the glass in a circular motion, apply salt to
the top rim (I prefer this to a salter (like Margarita salter)
add ice cubes to glass
pour in vodka (to taste)
pour in tomato juice almost to the top (you can also use V8, Clamato juice)
shake in the following (to taste):
  worchestershire sauce (start w/ 1/4 tsp)
  tobasco sauce (or Louisiana hot sauce) (start w/few drops)
  garlic powder  (start w/ 1/8 tsp)
  celery powder  (start w/ 1/8 tsp)
stir well
shake black pepper over top
add stalk celery (or pickled green bean)


  the following on top:
  garlic powde
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From: tahani@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tahani Sticpewich)
Newsgroups: rec.food.drink
Subject: Anyone have a good PUNCH recipe?
Date: 6 Apr 1992 16:37:39 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: tahani@diva.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu


I'm looking for a recipe for a delicious, refreshing, not-too-sweet,
non-alcoholic punch to serve at our wedding reception as a real
(i.e. not just for the kids) alternative to the wine and beer.  Anyone
have any suggestions?

Please send email ( tahani@diva.Berkeley.EDU ).  Thanks in advance
for your help.

	Tahani
From: macmillan@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.drink
Subject: <None>
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:18:00 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

You may want to think about the style of the champagne that you like.  In a
recient champagne tasting I noted that the french champagnes have aaa much more
yeasty taste than the american sparkling wines (the french claim that champagne
in only made in champagne while all others are sparkling wines).  If you like
yeasty wines the french are good.  Most people I know prefer the less yeasty
wines from california (e.g. S. Anderson of California, Krug etc.).

Jim Macmillan
MACMILLAN@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.food.drink
From: ape@polari.com
Subject: Re: cats meow
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:45:50 GMT

aem@paris.cs.miami.edu (a.e.mossberg) writes:


>Re Jonathon Cohen's message:

>It is, and has been available at an archive site, accessible both via
>mail and ftp -- mthvax.cs.miami.edu   The original announcements for
>both Cat's Meow 1 and 2 clearly showed methods of retrieval. Many people
>seem just too stupid to use netlib or ftp though.

Excuse me while I call you an idiot but Jonathons' message was not about
"Why didn't you UUCP the file" but was an attack of why we didn't FTP the
message instead.  I have no problem with UUCP and in fact you it on a daily
basis within my local area.  However I don't like being told that I should
use FTP thu the Internet when I don't have Internet access.  In fact, every
response that I have heard has been about 'NOT HAVEING INTERNET ACCESS' and
has NOTHING to do with the arguement that we can't UUCP it.  Get your facts
straight before you start flaming us.

Newsgroups: rec.food.drink
From: yen@stsci.edu (Felix Yen)
Subject: Champagne: Laurent-Perrier
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:02:14 GMT

I have enjoyed and recommended their NV brut for years and had the
misfortune of recently discovering that it has become an inferior
wine.  Several bottles were purchased at a large Chicago store
(~$17/bottle) and sampled that evening at an art gallery opening.
The wine was too sweet and, more importantly, harsh.  Beware.


Felix
yen@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.drink