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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:17:10 BST
From:         Bosco Keown <KEOWN@WINVMC.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      one word curiosity
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Ref:  Chris H-S's posting of Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:41:15 EDT

Picky, are we Chris? :-)

Actually, as I see it (perhaps one of the on-line audiologists will
confirm or deny this), the term 'hearing loss' is used in measurements of
how much a person's hearing deviates from the norm, whether the
person was born deaf or not. Most deaf people have *some* hearing,
even if it is outside the measurable range of 120 dB.

"Hearing loss" might be used in the following context:

John Doe has a hearing loss of 95 dB.
Jane Doe's hearing loss was found to be greater than 120 dB.


Bosco K.

A virgin forest is a place where the hand of man has never set foot.
From: DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET (Miriam Clifford)
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Subject: Re: Voting
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:29:27 GMT
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I'm choosing not to vote on preferred terminology because I don't see what
will be accomplished by doing so.  I feel there is no way that whatever a
vote's outcome is, there is not way that everyone will follow it, nor do I
feel that such uniformity is either necessary or desireable.  I, personally,
will refer to myself in whatever way seems reasonable for each situation in
which I find myself, and I will try to be inoffensive to others if I am with
someone whose feelings about terminology I know.  Beyond that, I will try
to write and speak reasonably syntactic English.  More than that I can't do.

dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:38:23 EDT
From:         Esther Paris <esther@DEMAND.ED.RAY.COM>
Subject:      my hands... update...

Hi Everyone... Thanks to everyone who asks about my hands.  I don't
know whether it's sad or not, but I do NOT suffer from Capal Tunnel
Syndrome.  In a way that's wonderful because CTS is such a nasty problem
to have!  In a way what I have is worse because there is no surgery to
help me.  I have tendinitis in both wrists.  Only time and constant
vigilance (that of protecting my hands) will heal them.  So far I've
given them plenty of time (a year and a half)... the vigilance to
protect them presents me some difficulty.  <grin>  I am known to
start back to work too soon.  I'll have an acute attack, rest, let
the hands heal well enough that I can function again as the normal
Esther (as opposed to the incapacitated Esther), and then WHAMMO!
I'm back into braces.  I have yet to learn temperence and moderation.
Maybe next week when my birthday comes up I'll get the gift of temperence
and moderation?  Think anyone can sell some to my hubby so he can wrap
it up pretty and give it to me with a bow?

Speaking of birthdays... I have now been reading this list for over
a year!  (And conversely, you've been reading my long posts for over
a year!)  I have enjoyed EVERY NOTE I'VE EVER READ HERE!  Thanks to
all of you for bringing such a gift into my life.  You've all taught
me quite a bit with the refreshing and insightful conversations that
go on here.

And a special Thanks to Roy Miller for all the work he has done and
continues to do to keep this wonderful list going.

How are YOU doing, Roy?

Esther Paris, writing this note as procrastination on writing something
else that I'm supposed to be writing but having a terrible writer's block
about.  Ugh!  Raytheon Equipment Division, Marlborough, MA
esther@demand.ed.ray.com
From: 91babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik)
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Subject: Interesting conversation....
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:46:55 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I had an interesting conversation last night, with a hearing friend of 
mine.  She said there is a deaf gentleman who comes into the credit union 
every now and then.  Apparently he speaks, and she asked me what correct 
"etiquette" is for speaking with him.  I told her all the usual stuff (look 
directly at him, don't mumble, et al)....then she said something that was 
sort of weird.  She said that she didn't think he was really deaf or 
totally deaf because he could speak.

Apparently it had never occurred to her that we deafies speak!  (Yeah, 
yeah, yeah....I know....only the ones who were nabbed by oral schools or 
who became deaf later...  :-)   )

*sigh*  One person at a time...

Lisamarie

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
		When we talk to God, we are said to be praying.  
	    When God talks to us, we are said to be schizophrenic...
________Lisamarie "Rifa the Insane" Babik_________91babik@gw.wmich.edu_________
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:11:32 -0400
From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Deaf and H.O.H. vs. hearing impaired

Chris:

I am perfectly comfortable when talking (or writing) to an individual, to
use whatever terminology he/she feels comfortable with.  However, I won't
call myself deaf or Deaf--I'm not, since I have usable hearing.  Also, if I
am writing a general statement, a paper, or a report of some kind and want
to include both hard of hearing and D/deaf, I will definitely use "hearing
impaired".

What is more important?  Well, let me list just a few things.  Gaining
access for all hearing impaired people (see, I'm referring to the groups
in general) to emergancy, medical, legal, justice services.  Gaining access
to usable mental health services.  Being able to attend plays, concerts
lectures, classes and other public events with devices and interpreters
as needed.  Providing effective education at all levels for children,
and adults.  Providing effective services for parents of hearing impaired
infants (not just deaf infants! ALL hearing impaired infants) EARLY, so the
best decisions possible for the child can be made.  Providing access to all
public facilities.  Providing effective vocational training and job
placement help.  And on and on and on.
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From: famatthews@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Allen Matthews)
Subject: Re: Medical Assistance requested
Organization: Gallaudet University, Washington, D.C.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:16:54 GMT

Hi Conley Josh..

	I am trying to get hold of a old friend of mine who happen to be
a chief paramedic at Atlanta, Ga..    Good news is that he is on campus
now and will attend Gallaudet this coming fall.. So I will get him to
help you..

	I know a Gallaudet Student (Audrey Hill) who is now being trained
to be EMT with Maryland Fire Department.. I will also ask her to see if
she would help you too..

	I happen to saw a article about a total deaf female who is fully
trained EMT techican  in Arizona  (I think)..   To give drugs to patients
requires a communication from Doctor  and  she use driver/mirror to lip
read instruction from Doctor.. It works great for them..

					- Allen -
				(Future Firefighter trainee) 
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Allen Matthews - Supervisor, Computer Operation
Gallaudet University Computer Services, Washington, D.C. 

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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:47:00 MDT
From:         The Shadow <THESHADO@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Info ID
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One of the nice aspects of the net is the equal face that everyone has in
relation to everyone else.  Wee all relate through the same medium of
text, regardless of our physical conditions.  This aspect is what sets
net.communications appart from other methods of communicating -- the equal
faces that we all share on the net help to preclude prejudices, concious
or not, from altering the ways that we interpret what others have to say.
It may be interesting at times to know a person's hearing status, to know
if a person is blind, to know if a person has Cerebral Palsy, in order to
study how that person's perspectives differ from someone elses perspectives,
.  However, isn;t it more interesting to simply look at a person's
perspectives, and interpret them on their own basis, instead of seeing
a (h) beside a person's name and perhaps thinking, "Ah, but you are hearing.
You can't really understand what we are talking about."
If you really feel it is important to know the physical condition of the
people who post to this list, or to any other list you may be a member of,
perhaps you should either pay more attention to the posts, or, if your
memory isn't up to the task, maintain a little list of names & conditions.

I don't particularaly care if people know my hearing status, my visual
status, or any other status of mine, but I'm not going to beat people
over the head with it at the end of every post I make.  It simply isn't
that important.


Kirk Haines
theshado@outlaw.uwyo.edu
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:23:09 BST
From:         Bosco Keown <KEOWN@WINVMC.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Patronizing insults
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Ref:  Dave Windley's posting of Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:16:41 EDT

>      people and culture also feel insulted when Deaf people
>      continually talk about how wonderful the Hearing world is.
>
>      I am not deaf, but have been labelled Deaf by some, because of
>      my close cultural awareness.  I try to maintain an open mind to
>      all and have established a goal through my work here at the
>      college to actively encourage equality amongst all; to eliminate
>      sexism, heterosexism, and audism here and elsewhere.  I
>      apologize if anyone was insulted or felt like I was patronizing
>      through my comments here on Deaf_L.

:incredulity on.

 Do Deaf people continually talk about how wonderful the
Hearing world is? All along I've been led to believe that they
are actually proud to be Deaf, and to be within a Deaf culture.
If that's the case, I wouldn't expect them to 'continually' spout
off about how wonderful the Hearing world is.

:incredulity off.

:sarcasm on.

If you had the 'close cultural awareness' you claim to have, you
would have refrained from being patronizing (or even from *appearing*
to be patronizing) in the first place.

:sarcasm off.


Bosco Keown
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:54:23 EDT
From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@DEMAND.ED.RAY.COM>
Subject:      Cleveland, anyone?

Any of you all live in the Cleveland area?  I'm going to arrive
in Cleveland Wednesday afternoon (early) and stay there Thursday,
Friday, and Saturday.  I have an agenda for being there, of course,
but if you live in the area, I'd love to buy you a cup of coffee or
a soda!  Let me know if you are in the area.  I will be staying in
downtown Cleveland at the Sheraton, and won't have a rental car.

Esther Paris, Raytheon Equipment Division, Marlborough, MA
esther@demand.ed.ray.com
From: KEOWN@WINVMC.VNET.IBM.COM (Bosco Keown)
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Subject: Voting
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:40:34 GMT
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Ref:  Too_many_postings_to_mention

All this "terminology" is bunkum. At the end of the day, we're
all human beings. That's all that matters, innit? :-)

Bosco K.

John Bosco Keown,
IBM UK Laboratories, Ltd., Hursley Park, Winchester, England.,
Internet: keown@winvmc.vnet.ibm.com
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:39:02 EDT
From:         garland@ATT.ATT.COM
Subject:      UUCP Mail

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failed on system 'att-mh'.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:42:37 EDT
From:         Richard Hoenes <V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Voting

I've just recently joined this mailing list and missed the ballot.
Can someone send me a copy?

Richard
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:39:25 EDT
From:         Annie Senghas <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      IMHO

by the way, Dave, what were your guesses about what IMHO stands for?
I'm curious to know.

Annie :+)
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:26:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      RE: See how the d/Deaf labelled ....

        Hi Matthew,

>From: "Matthew Norman/ Deaf guy" <CAMN%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
>Subject:See how the d/Deaf labelled ....

>  See, how they called themselves.  "I am d/Deaf", "Deaf like me",
>and, "I am hard of hearing".  It's a shame that I've noticed that
>most of hearing people who are arguing about which one should we d
>used "Hearing Impaired" or "d/Deaf or Hard of Hearing".IT IS NOT FOR
>HEARING PEOPLE TO DECIDED WHICH NAME WE SHOULD CALL THOSE d/DEAF
>HEARING PEOPLE.  How would you like it if we, d/Deaf, called you
>hearing people "Sign Language Impaired".  If I ever see you guys
>use Hearing Impaired,  I'm gonna call you hearie Sign Language
>Impaired.

        OUCH!, I know my signing isn't perfect, but, gee wiz.

>           Let the d/Deaf or Hard of Hearing people make the
>decision, NOT YOU HEARIES.  I am sorry to be a bit bold, but I have
>no choice.

        You have EVERY choice. :)

>I want you to understand most of d/Deaf or Hard of Hearing's
>point.

        Agreed!...............and OH,...............

        Thanks for the educational "kick-in-the-butt"!!


                                Good weekend all,
                                Steven Conlee
                                CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
From: CONLEYJ@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU (I See U!)
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If there will be a voting booth on this sytem, I know what terms I will use.

But I wonder if anyone know of a new term that some SHHH people r taking on
to themselves.  The new term is <deaf-impaired>.  From what I understand them
to be telling me, deaf-impaired means anyone who is partly deaf, and partly
hearing.  I asked them if hard of hearing is the wrong term, and the reply I
got was: well, we dont consider ourselves to be "hardheaded" so therefore we
dont think that we r "hard" of hearing either.

(for those of u who dont have deep Deaf culture knowledge, 'deaf-impaired' was
originally to mean anyone who was not Deaf, period.  Now some SHHH people r
turning that terminology to mean something else.)

josh conley
conleyj.ucsu.colorado.edu
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:48:56 EDT
From:         "Dave Windley, Data Comm Specialist X799" <AADW@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Acronyms, Daffynishuns, et al.
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Lee Ann sez:

> IMHO, your term "straighten themselves out" is a misleading--I don't think

      Please explain to me what is the meaning of "IMHO".  I have
      several guesses, but none really fit the context of messages I
      receive with that acronym in them.  I have pondered this
      frequently and seen it often on Deaf_L only.

> one can just stop being gay.  However, I agree that it is certainly easier

      Terrific point, but I don't think that the author meant it that
      way.

> for a gay person to hide his or her homosexuality than it is for a deaf
> person to hide his or her deafness.  In that way, a gay person is more
> easily 'admitted" into the mainstream world, even if it means pretending
> or "living a lie".  It's not without it's personal costs, but it is
> certainly possible to do, whereas it's not possible to go around pretending
> to be hearing if one is deaf for any long period of time.
>
      (text deleted)

> to be happy in life.  They may teach their children to be generous, loving,
> because to be such things may give one happiness.  But I believe that
> primarily they want children to be happy (by the way, I don't have children,
> so this may be total hogwash, and I'm open to any parent's response).

      After coming out to my parents several years ago, many insulting
      comments were directed at me.  But one thing sticks in my mind
      that my father said.  He told me "as long as you are happy son,
      we just want you to be happy in life".  I think that your belief
      is not hogwash, and that this response should be typical of any
      compassionate parent when addressing the fate of their children.
>
      (text deleted)
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   Dave Windley,                       Catonsville Community College
      Data Communications Specialist          800 South Rolling Road
      Sign Interpreter                     CATONSVILLE MD 21228-9987
      GLBO Co-Founder                          Voice: (410) 455-4799
      ITR Club Vice President                             AADW@CATCC
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:12:20 -0700
From:         Jim Carnahan <ehs@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Esther Paris' Question about "Reasonable Doubts"
X-To:         deaf-l%siucvmb.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu

Hello Everyone!

Recently Esther Paris recently inquired about "Reasonable Doubts" and
whether or not there will be a display of different types of technology
in upcoming shows.

I recently attended a presentation by the man (sorry...can't remember his
name...) who plays Marlee Matlin's court interpreter (blond haired guy).
He spoke in San Francisco several months ago to a group of deaf and hearing
people about the show "Reasonable Doubts".

One of the things he explained is how he and Marlee have to explain everything
--like need for TTY, flashing lights, etc. to the script writers of the show.
He said that they have meetings where they encourage the writers to
use these to show people how the deaf use them.

He did say that they are always encouraging the writers to show new technology.
One of the ideas the writers have still not yet used is a mistake by the
court interpreter.  Those of you who watch the show will note that the
interpreter has never had to ask anyone to repeat or to explain that a
mistake was made during the interpretation process.  So watch for things
like this to happen because they do want to be realistic.

Also the man told us the biggest problem is timing.  The scenes have to be
filmed VERY FAST!  There is no time for a re-do of many scenes.  This has
--I mean -- lack of time -- has been a reason for the writers to not include
more events and not include the use of other technologies.

Jim Carnahan
San Francisco State University
ehs@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:43:00 EDT
From:         David James <ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Misunderstanding

"Dave Windley, Data Comm Specialist X799" <AADW@CATCC.BITNET>:

>     Only one facet of oralism can be directly compared to the
>     real-time captioning equipment.  That aspect is that both search
>     through text, spoken or written respectively to find the closest
>     match for the missing word.

Not at all true. You still don't get it.

Oralists understand speech exactly the way you do. They just have
more homophones.

--David James
ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET
DMJAMES@GALLUA.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 12:45:53 EDT
From:         "Matthew Norman/ Deaf guy" <CAMN%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Educational interpreters
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>
> Bryce:
>
> I must lend my thoughts to Matthew's bec the use of such term has bothered me
> as well. Unlike Matthew, and like u I think it wud only imply total impairemen
> to such people that want to believe Deaf r not capable. However I see more
> forceful reason that the term "hearing impaired" shud not be used and as
> Matthew says [we shud] spread the news abt it.
>
> I agree with u Bryce when u say:
> >...words should be used to mean what they say...
>
> and this is exactly the reason this term is no good. To prove this I will
> borrow from the logic exercise...
>
>         ::::  If a tree falls in the forest, and there is    ::::
>         ::::  no one there to hear it, does it really fall?  ::::
>
> The point is rephrase,
>
>         ::::  If there was nothing known as sound,  ::::
>         ::::  wud hearing impairment exist?         ::::
>
> Silly this may seem, true. But the point here is, fundamental to the term,
> whether used as derogatory or well meaning, is the physical state of HEARING.
> Therefore such term as hearing impaired makes use of the imaginary fence of
> hearing and says "Anything on this side [hearing people] is the way things shu
> be and anything on the other side is deficient or impaired.
>
> I wud like us to expand our views to mull over the thot, "Maybe it is hearing
> people who do not sign or sign well, who r the real impaired people." Maybe
> we have it backwards. Maybe we shud say someone who knows nothing of Deaf is
> Deaf impaired.
>
> I will leave with the question...Have u ever heard of an American Impaired
> person?
>
> Signs and words
> impart concepts
>
> ************************
> Chris Hafemeister-Salage
> CHSHC @ CUNYVM
> CHSHC @ CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> ************************

Beautiful!!!!!!!


________________________________________________________________________

  Matthew Norman,
    - Vice-President, Cardinal Club of   CATONSVILLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE
           the Deaf                      800 South Rolling Road
    - Data Communication Technican       CATONSVILLE MD 21228
    -"Deaf guy"
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