From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Public Celebration of Ignorance
Organization: Campaign to Support PCI
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:50:20 GMT

***** Note:  This is a long article.  My advance apologies. - HFN

In article <sehari.718740349@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>In <1992Oct10.102407.13212@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct8.181240.11239@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> ali@utrcv1 
>>(ALI BABA) writes:
>
>>>Dear Behzad;
>
>>>By the way, after two hours of meeting with Amoo and Sogoly last night at
>>>ghahvah khaneh, Amoo agreed to let Mahin  who left Iran at a young age
>>>and never got to have a good taste of Iranian men and their (gooshty logic)
>>>to come and entertain at the ghahveh khaneh on Saturday and Sunday nights,
>>>unfortunately not on  Friday night because according to Sogholi's belief
>>>and the old legend Iranian men's (ghooshti logic) gets more aggresive and
>>>dangerous on (shabeh joomeh) and that's not going to be a pleasant for
>>>Mahin's first Iranian close encounter.
>>>After another meeting with Agha javad, he agreed to let us use his sign.
>>>we will be hanging a red computerized sign on (drabe shomaly ghahvah
>>>khoneh)
>>>saying "Khanoom rashti reseed" oops! sorry guys, "Brenje rashti reseed"
>>>So join us this saturday and sunday night at Amoo's Ghahvah Khaneheh where
>>>Mahin will try to tame Mashe ghafoor's 12" ghooshti logic using Einstein's
>>>law. We are all sure she will have a happy life and won't feel like (torshi
>>>baademjoon) after her first Iranian close encounter.
>>>P.S.
>>>Due to aid disease, bring your own (baadkoonek) for protection and
>>>Use the back-door as an emergency door in case of police raids or
>>>Sogholi's arrival.
>
>>Ali Baba:

[my report about the findings of scientists deleted for brevity - HFN]
Then I proceed to say:

>>Shame on your education and the school of thought that raised you to 
>>conceive the above-included article.  If some day I become somebody, the
>>first thing I will do is to close down all those schools and thought
>>institutions that produce defective lobatedly-excised-cerebral-nerve-tracts
>>humans who unconsciously expose their opinions in expressions such as the
>>one cited above.

Babak replies:

>That's why every Iranian who cares about his or her freedom should do
>his or her best to make sure you never get to power.  Closing down schools
>just because you do not agree with their idealogy?!  Who the hell you think
>you are to tell people what to think, what to teach their children, and
>how to express their opinion?

Hi Babak khAn:

Thanks for your kind attention to this "apparently' extereme example of
violation of freedom of expression that you cited per my above statement.

The key word in your paragraph was "ideology."  Unfortunately you failed
to define the word here.  Until then, I took the liberty of looking it up
in the dictionary, and I am going to share it with you and the rest of sci:

According to the American Heritage Dictionary:

Ideology - The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of
           individual, group, class, or culture.

Babak, if you notice the word clearly encompasses thought collections such
as "class" and "culture" by the above definition.  It further demands that 
the body of those ideas ought to reflect the "social needs and aspirations"
of the very same individual, group, class, or culture.  From these subsets
one could choose "culture" as the most applicable attribute at sci.

Now, if you tell me that a '12 inch gooshti logic' qualifies the definition
of ideology, which would suggest that such expression reflects the needs and
aspirations of the "culture" at hand - that is soc.culture.iranian - then
that's a new revelation to me.  :-)

As for my advocation to 'tell people what to think, what to teach their
children, and how to express their opinions,' it only suffices to say that
I do not recall per my statement (the one that preceded yours above) to have
said that.  I do understand that my objective is to close down all those
schools of thought that have made it their mandate to force their '12 inch
gooshti logic' to innocent net readers.  This is my choice and I did not ask
for support, although even if I asked for support I wouldn't have inherently
violated the charter of the freedom of expression.  This is as acceptable as
your decison NOT to support what I was proposing.

Perhaps you took my paragraph very literally and ASSUMED that my way of
implementing this goal was by way of authoritarianship.  I understand that
we Iranians have not had a long period of democracy in our contemporary
history (say in the past 80 years), and that it has been our experience that
once somebody makes a statement to accomplish a task, we unconsciously 
feel that there is a new dictatorship at work.  In that context, I can fully
understand your objection.  You have a valid point.

But, I was very clear that the approach was a LEGAL one.  In other words, if
we could make a LAW out of it, then we would not have attacked the ideal of
the 'freedom of the expression.'  This is what I was referring to.  I even
thought that I had briefed all as how I was going to go about researching
the subject in the last part of my note.

The weapon is the LAW, the battlefield is the COURT, and the victim is the 
INTERNET READERSHIP.  You wouldn't object to internet organization if it
ruled that from now on '12 inch gooshti logic' was not permitted to be 
submitted to the net, would you?

>Even though, I should criticize ALI BABA for his commands about rashtii's.
>I have relative from all corners of Iran, including Rasht, Azarbijan
>, east, west, north, south, and being from Tehran, I make it my own business
>to bring to tears anyone who make fun of any of my people, from now
>on.  I am not advocating censorship here, rather I utilize my freedom of
>speech for this purpose.-:)

Very well taken, sir.  That's what I want to do too.  The difference is that
I won't take the matter into my own hands!  Once you make a LAW out of it,
you don't have to sit tight every time to make it "your own business to bring
to tears" people who abused you.  In this era of human civilization we refer
to this old mentality the "LAW OF JUNGLE." 

[No insult was intended to you or any person by saying so - HFN]


>                       With highest regards,
>                            Babak   Sehari.

As whether we can obtain support for Ali Baba's idea from schools of thought,
please read my next article.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Baraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056