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From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:49:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au

kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>In article <BuBoEK.4rI@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
>(Peggy Brown) writes:


>   > Its not the fact that the names are unusual that gets me, its
>   > the fact that they're so similar to other common names.  Devra -
>   > Debra and Geordie - George.  Your sister's name, Jael, is *not*
>   > similar to other names, so it probably wasn't too huge a problem
>   > for her - aside from how to >pronounce it.  My opinion is to

IT can be a problem.  Most people mis-hear my name as Debbie.

>One of the things we were looking for in names was something that was
>unusual (it drove me crazy to be one of four Keith's in gym class...
>especially when one of the other three was always being yelled at for
>something), but not totally weird...and I'll admit that that's part of the
>reason why I like Devra...it *is* close to Debra, and recognizable, but she
>probably won't be one of 9 million Debbies in school.

When I was at school I *hated* my name.  I always got called Zebedee - 
the name of a character on a children's TV show - or Zebra.

But as I got older, I became reconciled, and now I am very happy with it.

Mind you, I need to get cards printed that say:
	Yes, it is unusual
	No, it isn't short for anything
	It's French, a form of Zoe.
		(This last is a bit of a white lie.  We have no idea
		of its etymology, it is the name of an ancestress of
		mine who was born on French Haiti.)


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From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:08:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Math: Estimating vs Real Thing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

jsco@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (J. S. Comeaux) writes:

> My 5th grader is learning ESTIMATING , and I am p.o.'d because I think 
> the school should teach accurate mathematics  rigorously 
> until it is second nature.

  I find estimation quite useful to make sure my calculations are "in the
right ball park."  Hitting the wrong key on a calculator isn't that
difficult, nor is typing in the decimal point in the wrong place when I'm
writing a program or inputting data.  Afterwards I can check the results
to see if they look about right.

  In addition, estimation can help a child reinforce "common sense."  If
someone tells him/her that a dollar a day for a month adds up to a thousand
dollars, the child is (perhaps) more likely to be skeptical.

  Thirdly, measured numbers are only known to a certain accuracy anyway,
so there's no reason to divide 32.0 feet by 7 out to 20 or more decimal
places.
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names - nicknames
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep11.155824.7041@electro.electro.com>, carlo@electro.electro.com (Carlo Sgro) writes...
>In article <3548@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
> 
>>4) Can't be shortened to a nickname.  I've never liked having a name
>>(Judith) that's never used except for on forms.


I can relate to that!  I was named Margaret Mary-Theresa Brown, 
but my parents decided to call me Peggy even before I was born.
I've always thought this was silly.  Since they wanted to call me 
Peggy, I wish they would have just named me Peggy, even though 
there is no St. Peggy (Catholics often name kids after saints).
I never use my "real" name except for on forms and legal 
documents.

This is a pain, especially because Peggy sounds nothing like 
Margaret and many people *not* of Irish descent, do not know that 
Peggy is a nickname for Margaret.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com (Claire Cates)
Subject: Re: Impact of the absent father
Originator: cates@cherokee.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:50:30 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Sep04.154248.28380@buster.stafford.tx.us>, cliff@buster.stafford.tx.us (Cliff Tomplait) writes:
|> drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard) writes:
|> >Hear, hear. It constantly amazes me that so many take it as reasonable that
|> >the father "just naturally" must pay for the kid(s) upkeep, often seemingly
|> >with no rational basis. I fail to understand why it seems to be carved in 
|> >granite that the mother always has custody of the kid(s), ...
|> 
|> The rational basis is the court system and the manner in which fathers are
|> routinely abused.
|> 
|> Notes:  You know, I really do try to keep my voice down.  I don't often post
|> and really try to read and digest before responding.  However, there are days
|> and weeks (like this one) where I am AGAIN reminded (by my beloved former
|> spouse) just how few rights I really have and am presented with another set
|> of threats.
|> 
|> Only 11 more years.


It goes both ways folks.  I am trying to get custody and my ex2b is
using everything in the legal system to drain me financially and 
emotionally.  The real problem that everyone needs to attack is the
legal system, it can be used to abuse either parent.   The one with
the dirtier lawyers gets the furthest.

Furthermore, my lawyer has been quoting me stats that say if it goes
to court, 60% of the time the man wins.  This one confuses me since
I used to be an avid reader of alt.child-support and alt.dad-rights
(I no longer can get them, but can get misc.kids).  Everything they
always say in those newsgroups is that the women always win, so where
did the 60% come from.  Some people have said that it comes from
the fact that most men settle out of court and the ones that take the
case to court usually have valid reasons for not wanting their ex to
have custody.   If anyone has any other explainations, I would love
to hear from them.

Oh, and if anyone would want to post this to alt.child-support or
alt.dads-rights, it would be greatly appreciated.

Down and dirty here in NC.


Thanks
Claire

cates@unx.sas.com
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car Seats and Trucks
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:46:00 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep10.181329.7703@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, stevee@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Stephen Elmendorf) writes...
>no longer travel as a family in my Toyota pickup. I really like the Toyota
>extended cab, but just can't see a carseat fitting back there. I never really
>saw myself driving a full size Chevy with cab, but unless someone tells me it
>can realistically be done with a smaller truck, I may not have a choice. Any
>comments are appreciated.

We used to have a Nissan 4x4 King Cab. It had 2 bucket seats in front and 2 
sideways-facing jump seats in back. Embedded in the back wall under the 
carpet were 3 threaded inserts. The top one could be used to anchor the
Canadian style top tether strap for a toddler seat, which would be secured
with the 3-point front seatbelt as well. This leaves one adult to squeeze
into the jump seat behind the driver, which is hideously uncomfortable for a
normal sized adult for more than about 10 minutes ... though some years back
I fitted a high back wire frame lounge chair with the arms removed on top of
the jump seat, and managed a driving tour of the rockies without suffering
terminal back problems (doubtless technically illegal most places, but the
seatbelt went round everything and I felt just as safe (or unsafe) as with
the stock 1/2 height jump seat with lap-only belt). 

At some point I fitted a used lap-only seatbelt between the bottom two 
inserts and used that to secure a rear-facing infant seat. Somewhat boring 
for baby. I couldn't figure out how to fix a forward-facing toddler seat with 
tether strap to this (the Canadian vehicle reg.s specify a range of possible 
positions for a tether strap anchor, and 89 degrees down from the top of the 
seat is not one of them, and there were problems with the jump seat supports 
getting in the way). The long and short of it is that we sold the 4x4 and 
camper, bought an all-wheel-drive minivan, and (now with 2 kids) have vague
thoughts about buying a travel trailer someday...

I'm not exactly sure what Nissan intended you to do with the inserts, and the 
dealer wasn't much help - they didn't even know they were there.

Andrew, Vancouver BC
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names - nicknames
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:29:20 GMT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Sep11.221855.7003@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> 
> My best friend in high school, Vicki, always assumed that her real name was
> Victoria. She used it on all her official forms. Then in her senior year
> she needed her birth certificate for something, and discovered that her
> real name *was* Vicki. She was really surprised. She asked her parents about
> it and they were pretty surprised too. They forgot all about it, and had
> no idea why they used Vicki instead of Victoria. I guess that thoose sort
> of things happen when you have 10 kids.


Whoa--this EXACT thing happened to my husband!  He went through life thinking
his name, Terry, was short for Terence.  Finally when he tried to join the Navy
after college they frostily informed him that he had "falsified" his forms,
because his given name turned out to be: Terry!  Poor guy, once he found out
that every school record, official form, etc. was wrong he just legally changed
his name to Terence.  But everyone still calls him Terry.

Oh, BTW, his full given name was Terry Lee.  And my MIL swears she named him
for the  comic strip "Terry and the Pirates".  Related to Geordie LeVar--maybe
that name will seem kinda dated/overly cute in 20 or 30 years. I know I roll my
eyes every time my MIL relates her comic strip naming story! :)

Ann Helmers
(whose family just recycles the same name over and over--I'm the same as my
mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, and GREAT-great-grandmother)
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Help:  Looking for Info on a Triple (!!!) Stroller
Date: 14 Sep 1992 16:05:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: don't "r"eply to this message--posting for someone else
Keywords: stroller

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NOTE:  I am posting this for someone without posting privileges.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE respond to Bert via e-mail or posting here.
His e-mail address is:  hootsman@perl.hitachi.co.jp.
*************************************************************************

My wife and I are living in Yokohama, Japan.  Since we are carless, not so
unusual actually, we rely heavily on our double stroller for getting around.
But come Christmas, we'll be needing a triple stroller.  Haven't been able to
find one yet.

If anybody has any information on companies that sell triple stollers (in the
US, in Japan, or wherever) we'd certainly be very greatful.  We're particularly
hoping to find one that seats the kids behind each other, since this will
allow us to push the cart through the turn-styles of trains and subways.

Thanks very much.

Bert
hootsman@perl.hitachi.co.jp

***************************************************************************
Please remember to send responses to Bert's e-mail address and not
mine.  Thanks in advance!
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-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
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From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 08:54:17 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
> No, the people I've met with unusual name usually seem to like them.. it's
> those with more common names that don't.  In my experience, of course.
>
> Sean.
Interesting thought. It's probably because people assign traits to widely
used names, but with a unique name, people learn more about the person
with fewer pre-concieved ideas.

(Many people seem to think that "Leon" is a black name, and so look at us
twice when we named our white son that. But actually it was his paternal
grandfather's name and he was white too.)


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:47:32 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:

> (Hillel) writes:
> 
> >Consumers Report claimed that condoms are 85% effective.  In other words,
> >over one year of using condoms, there is 15% probability for an unwanted
> >pregnancy.  In 7 years, the expectation is more than 1...
> >
> 
> I'm sure this is not the place to bring this up ...but what the hell.
> So something I've always wondered about is - Why does using a condom
> constitute safe sex?  If sperm can sneak by, can't the HIV virus?
> 
> diana

I believe that is why they say, the only foolproof method of safe sex
(or birth control for that mater), is abstinance.  Since that isn't
possible for a lot of people, condems are the second best way to prevent
the spread of disease.


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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:58:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Sep6.230222.14388@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>> I'm curious, what do other people pay for daycare?
>
>Oh boy, what a timely article.  I am 20 weeks along, and although my
>mom will be watching the baby for a while after my maternity leave of
>3-6 months, I am currently looking into daycare for when the baby gets
>older (2yrs). [...]
>
>Much to my shock and upset, the main places I had tentatively wanted
>were $125 / week!  And our top choice had a non-refundable $270 fee!!
>(what the hell is that for??) and I had to apply and get on the
>waiting list now for a space over a yr into the future! 
>[...]

I feel really deprived now.  I'm 21 weeks along, and the day care
place I am hoping to get into is $5.50/hr.  If you leave your child
for 40 hrs a week, that is $220.00 per week.  You can bring your child
only for mornings, or only for afternoons, but you can't say you want
to bring your child in only on some days--like MWF (I am an academic,
so that kind of thing would be convenient for me).  I've been on the
waiting list for more than a year for this place.  Everyone who uses
the place loves it, and it seems to be fantastic for infants, but it
is expensive and hard to get into.

The thing is, how can you possibly expect to have trained and dedicated
people taking care of your children with a low child to provider ratio
if you don't pay a decent wage?  The most a caregiver could care for
in addition to my child would be 3 children.  Out of fees for 4 (or
fewer) children must come the caregivers salary, her employer social
security contribution, health insurance for her, various other state
fees, and overhead for the facilities. 

For you other Santa Cruz posters, I am talking about Good Beginnings
(and if you know of any good, less expensive alternatives, I would be
delighted to hear about it).
--
Tracy Larrabee		larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:28:15 GMT
	<1992Sep11.133901.2035@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:39:01 GMT, van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) said:

Valerie> On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
Valerie> not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a 
Valerie> "lap child", and I *had* to hold her.  (This was the 
Valerie> first week of September.)

Sounds like you didn't buy her her own seat.  "Laps" don't get to use
seats--they're called "laps" because they sit on your lap rather than
in their own seats.  For the parent, this presents a tradeoff between
money and comfort.  I don't think the safety issue is really
germane--most aircraft accidents are bad enough that a car seat won't
save the child.

Particularly when the aircraft is full, they don't like you to even
take the car seat on board, since they don't want you staking a claim
to a seat that belongs to someone else.  Some airline employees take
the attitude that you can't even use an empty seat; that you didn't
pay for it so you can't get the benefit.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:23:00 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

[Response to "what is powder used for, anyway?"]

We use it when the bottom is still wet from wiping and we're in a big hurry.
Usually, we just dry the area with a cloth diaper, air dry for awhile, and
rediaper.  We do use powder in hot, sticky weather.  The baby's neck, 
arm, leg, etc. folds get sweaty and red.  S/he can also get prickly heat
(a red heat rash).  Powder (we use cornstarch) works well to cure/prevent
this.  My mother-in-law likes to powder the whole baby after a bath - no
real reason other than she likes the feel of rubbing powder all over their
cuddly, clean little bodies.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:31:51 GMT

|> : May be silly, but I've met quite a few women who, having had only boys,
|> : say that they wished they had had a girl.  The usual complaint is that
|> : they felt that they would have been closer to a daughter and the grandchildren 
|> : that followed.  They remembered how close they had been to their own
|> : mother - cooking, going shopping together, sharing secrets ...etc and were 
|> : sad.  Their sons had either moved away, or they felt that their daughterinlaw 
|> : favored her own parents when it came to the kids spending time with their 
|> : grandparents.  
|> : 
|> : (Now, I'm probably going to get an avalanche of mail from men who spend loads 
|> :  of time with mom.... or daughterinlaws who prefer their motherinlaw over
|> :  their mother).
|> 
  
I agree with this, and on a related (I think) note, this may be why
more wives have trouble with their husband's mother than husbands have
with their wives' mother.  [Did I say that right?]  What I mean is, I
think the mother of a boy feels she's losing him to THAT GIRL and HER
family.  She's more likely to try to hang on too hard, compete too much
with the wife for her son's attention, etc.  The mother of the wife (if
she's enjoyed a good relationship with her daughter) may feel more secure
and at ease.  The couple (and then the grandchildren) probably WILL spend 
more time with HER parents (of COURSE there are exceptions), if only be-
cause boys might be a little more cautious about demanding to spend time 
with THEIR parents after marriage (might not seem grownup enough?), but 
it's perfectly proper for a girl not to want to go too long without seeing
her Mama, so her husband will humor her and let her choose.

I'm the mother of 4, 2 boys and 2 girls.  The older girl is married, so
I feel very secure now, butI'm going to try my darndest not to compete 
with my sons' wives (when they get some :-).

Jan
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:44:04 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Sep11.154014.6644@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
>Re: giving up caffeine for pregnancy
>
>I think giving up caffeine (or alcohol, or even smoking) totally for the 
>period of pregnancy is going too far. Now I don't smoke, and rarely drink
>alcohol, but I rely on cups of tea to keep going, especially when I'm tired
>or sick. These times are more frequent during pregnancy.
>
>Sure, heavy smokers have little babies, and foetal alcohol syndrome exists
>- but these relate to HEAVY HEAVY smokers and total alcoholics don't they.
>Not someone who just has to have a smoke every now and then, or has a glass
>of wine once a week when they go out to dinner (*), or even has regular
>cups of tea or coffee.

This is not true from the readings I did.  The problem wasn't the how much
as much as the when.  Anytime a pregnant woman smokes a cigarette it limits
the amount of oxygen the fetus receives in the blood stream.  I think some
nicotine may cross the placenta, but I don't recall.  Anyway, the problem
lies when critical development is taking place at the time the oxygen limitation
takes place.  So, the more cigarettes you smoke, the greater your risk.  But
a single cigarette at the wrong time can also have poor consequences.  Besides,
pregnancy is a really GOOD excuse to stop smoking.

As for alcohol, I read that the problem isn't the amount of alcohol as much
as the way the body metabolizes alcohol.  So two pregnant women can drink
exactly the same amount of alcohol and one child will have fetal alcohol
syndrome and the other will not.  In fact, some mothers can have babies with
FAS having drunk less alcohol than a mother who has a healthy baby.

As far as the cup of tea, I don't see that as a major issue.  But some things
aren't good even in moderation.

>*. We have a two year old. We don't go out to dinner once a week. I wish we
>   did.

Go NOW!  It is so much easier going out to dinner with ONE child than with
two ;-)

>*. Last time, I was constantly sick. I hated the sight of coffee. 5ml (1/6
>   oz) of wine could lay me out till 2pm the next day. I lived on tea! This
>   time I'm well, and not refusing the odd glass of wine if it comes my
>   way.

Well, I admit to not being PERFECT during pregnancy and am quite happy with
the results.  However, I also have to add that when I am most disturbed by
Erin's speech delay I wonder if that moment of weakness during pregnancy could
have some relationship.  In reality, I am certain it didn't.  I mean, I wasn't
evil, just a little more intoxicated than was wise.  However, if your brain
works like mine, and you find guilt lurking around every corner, think twice.


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake