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From: menon@boulder.colorado.edu (Ravi Menon)
Subject: two 9 month olds, two totally different behaviour ?s
Reply-To: menon@boulder.colorado.edu (Ravi Menon)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:13:37 GMT

My friend Julie and I each have a 9 month old boy...Julies Josh is
2 weeks older than my Ezra.  Both kids are fairly happy and gentle
babies, but we have one problem for each of them that is driving us buggy.  
Josh first...he's a robust fellow who has been raised by his mother and
father only.  He has not been left with a babysitter very often, but when
he is, it is pure hell for both little Josh and his unlucky babysitter.  I
took care of him for 3 hours this morning, and he cried straight through the
time...paused for a fitfull sobbing nap in my arms but criedotherwise 
weather he was held or not.  The minute his father came to pick him up, the
fellow stopped crying went home and slept for 2.5 hours.  According to
Julie, this happens wherever he goes...he also isn't too taken with being
held by other folks.  Before you respond with a tangent about him not being
left with babysitters, Ezra is also kept with Mom and Dad except for 2
occasions when he has been left with an older friend of mine and with my
sister-in-law,  he does not cry in this situation and is not bothered when
I leave him with a friend at work for a few minutes...althpugh he'll reach for
me the minute I get back.

Ok, for my problem.  Ezra throws mega temper tantrums when he doesn't get his
way.  Not a big deal for a 9 month old, except he will throw his head and
body back and smack his head inadvertently causing even more crying and pain.
This happens several times during the day when he doesn't get his way.  He
has hurt himself a couple of times because of this behaviour.  So, what to
do.  He is such a tiny fellow, I don't know how to go about discipling him...
please no suggestions from Alan Yasutovich...everybody else, I am listening!


Deantha
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth Announcement
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:41:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)




	Name: 	Emily Edith Perry
	Born:	August 12, 1992
	Time:	5:31pm PDT
	Weight:	7lbs 12.1 oz
	length:	19.5"
	Apgars: oops, never found that out

Emily is a beautiful, perfect, healthy, little girl. She
already has her mummy and pappa wrapped around her finger.

After a bad bout of toxemia she was induced. Active labor
lasted only 4 hours.

If anyone is interested in the birth story, please let me
know and I'll send it out.

On a side note, for a labor and delivery that was filled with
all sorts of medical intervention (pitocin, monitors, epideral,
catheter etc.) it was a really positive experience and, under
the circumstances of the toxemia I consider myself more than
lucky that it all went so well.

-Ali, proud mummy to Emily, 3 days old.
(soon to be posting as a first time, nervous parent)
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cradle cap (summary)
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:21:20 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego

Thank you for everyone who sent me information on how to clear
Christine's cradle cap.

Here is a brief summay:

- Use baby oil and let it set in for a while.  Use a fine-tooth
  comb or rub it out well (with lots of shampoo).  

- Several shampoo seems to help.  They are Head & Shoulders,
  Paul Mitchell baby shampoo and Sebulex.  Be careful not to
  get these shampoo in the eyes.

I'll send a long version of the summary upon request.

Thanks again,
Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 8 mo
wang@optigfx.com
  

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Funny card
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:25:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.184152.6215@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>We figure by the time the kid's 13, she'll figure out what we've been
>doing and will be too embarrassed to say anything.

I have some friends who have a son and a dauughter, then 12 and 11.  One
day they were in the bedroom having a little fun together when they heard:

   "Wow, I wonder what *they* are doing in there ..."  (in a very loud voice)

Followed by lots of giggles. ... The kids were hardly embarrassed, but the
parents' fun was interrupted for a bit while they regained their composure.

-- Misty
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: carseat at bad reclining angle
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:44:46 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

ck@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Kiessling) writes:
>
>I just discovered a problem with the infant car seat I have and hope
>someone else has solved this already.
>
>I have an EvenFlo Joy Ride, the kind that uses the leave-in-the-car-base,
>but can also be used without the base.  I also have a Ford Explorer.
>
>The problem is that the back seat of the car is slanted up in front and
>down in back.  When I put the infant car seat in facing the rear (like
>I'm suppose to), the baby ends up leaning forward, not reclining slightly.
>
>The seat position is fixed; I can not adjust it.
>
>I thought of putting something under the infant carseat to prop up the
>front of it so the baby will recline slightly, but I wasn't sure how
>safe that would be.

Yeah, that's the thing to do.  I have one like that (Century maybe?)
and the manual says to just roll up towels or something and wedge it
into the corner where the seat meets the back.  Mine even has a level
with a little ball that rolls to tell you if it's at the right tilt!
It's not a big problem since you never unbuckle the base.  I had an old
piece of foam I use.  Good luck!

		--  maggie

PS  For you expecting people, these infant carseats with the base you
leave in the car are great!  I didn't have one the first two times,
and I love it!
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 15 Aug 1992 15:57:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: please take it somewhere else!


A few other folks have requested (to no avail) that this discussion,
which has drifted entirely away from the subject of children and
childrearing, be taken to a more appropriate newsgroup or to e-mail.  
The excuse that anything in this world relates to our children and
is thus fair game for this newsgroup is silly.  There was a very
short thread on driving tips which was unrelated to the safety of
children and that died very quickly, as the participants in that
thread either took the discussion to rec.auto.driving or to e-mail.
Does that mean that people interested in cars understand the
rationale behind newsgroups better than people who are religious?
:-)

And, to anticipate any other argument, the onus should not be on
individual news readers to put threads in their "kill" files.
Responsible posting (i.e. relevance to newsgroup) is the key to 
proper net.etiquette.  Thank you in advance for taking this out of
misc.kids.
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 20 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: jeannee@novell.com (Jeanne Eige)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Monitor recommendations
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:52:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

My .02...
We have the Radio Shack baby monitor because our neighbors on both sides of us have the Fisher Price and are using both channels - you might want to check with
your neighbors on all sides to see what monitors and channels they are using to avoid hearing each other before you buy!
About the Radio Shack model - we have been using it ALOT for almost 17 months with mo problems so far!

Jeanne

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Jeanne(e)                          |  You can't always get what you want, but
Jeanne Eige                        |  if you try sometimes you just might get
jeannee@novell.com                 |  what you need....             Mick Jagger
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Subject: PS2 286 memory request
Newsgroups: ca.wanted
Organization: Novell, San Jose CA.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Drugs used in labor
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:31:21 GMT

A little while ago I asked about resources for finding out
what my options are regarding drugs used in labor. I just
wanted to say thanks to those who replied and also give a
little summary in case anyone else would like to know.

The books that were recommended were the "What to Expect..."
books, Methods of Childbirth by Constance Bean, books by
Sheila Kitzingers and books by Janet Balaskas. Another
interesting option brought up by nola@cats.UCSC.EDU (name?)
was hypnotherapy for childbirth preparation. I haven't
checked into this yet but plan to ask my doc about it at
my next appt.

I had also shown an interest in trying to go drug-free
and the response to this was very supportive! I think nearly
everyone let me know that it is very possible and gave me
ideas for being prepared for this.

Thanks again! (To give credit where credit is due, these ideas
came from Eve Monique Kiefer, Carol E. Collins, Sharon Badian,
nola@cats.UCSC.EDU (don't know the name) and one other person
who, sorry, I lost the name of!)

-Jen (Due November 14)
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: microwaving breast milk
Date: 21 Aug 1992 12:48:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:07:46 -0400 (EDT)

>Of course, as other posters have mentioned, with powdered formula you can heat
>the water and then mix in the formula.  This isn't a great idea at 3:00 am,
>but would work at other times.

3:00am is one of the times when I loved this method!  I put 8oz of water
in a measuring cup, 30 seconds (approx.) at HIGH, pour into bottle of
powdered formula, and off I went, shaking bottle as I walked up the
stairs.  Sure is faster than 60 seconds of microwave time.

And it can be reversed.  Fill bottle up with water before bedtime.  Heat
bottle for 30 secs., ass formula and you're off.

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wyatt@othello (Wyatt Sutherland)
Subject: Need ideas for storing, transporting...
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:28:46 GMT

Dear Readers,

My wife is wondering if anyone has any great ideas on storing,  
transporting and cooling breast milk between work and home.  She is about  
to return to work, with much regret, and we need some advice. 

Also is there a better way of freezing breast milk then in the disposable  
plastic bottle bags, from Johnson & Johnson, with scotch tape holding the  
top down.

Thanks a bunch.
wyatt@fnbc.com

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From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Talk talk TALK talk
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:46:58 GMT

In article <bandor.714180812@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au> bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor) writes:


>Snap. Meaghan was born talking. She has two states, talking and
>asleep.  If theres no one to talk to she dosn't care, she just talks
>to her toys, or the wall. If she has nothing to say she just talks
>anyway, the words don't make any sence but who cares, she just talks.

>The real problem is that to hold a conversation you have to stop
>talking and start listening. She can't. 

DITTO.  My soon to be 9 year olds the same way.  She doesn't care to what 
she talks either.  She can't stop talking long enough to listen either.  It'
s so nice to know there are so many others out there with the same problem.  
Only thing is I'D LOVE A SOLUTION.  Does it ever stop?
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hair washing tricks
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:55:31 GMT
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC

In article 3827@alw.nih.gov, paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) writes:
>It's been a while since there's been a discussion of washing the hair of
>an unwilling toddler but I wanted to say it looks like we, at least for
>now, have the situation in hand.  And thank you Laura Floom for your
>idea of towel around the washer's waist and washee's face in the towel.
>I'd tried all sorts of things and then a couple weeks ago tried that.
>It's been wonderful not having tears when it comes time for getting my
>daughter's hair wet.  My 2 year old now puts her face into the towel and
>when I really need her to look up to get soap out of around her face, we've
>been looking for unusual things on the ceiling - purple grasshoppers,
>elephants, whatever I can think of ("Do you think there's an elephant on
>the ceiling? Let's look")  I try to come up with things she'll think are
>silly.  But the best was the other night when her hair was done and she
>could go back to playing, she looked at me and said "Not too bad".

A game that David and I played for a long time (since he was 4 a year
or so ago) was to pretend that the soaping part of the hair washing was
me mixing up something yummy and then the rinsing off part was the
topping or sauce.  So as I was soaping I would say things like "yummmm,
chocolate cupcakes" or "now I'm making strawberry ice cream" and then
during rinsing I would say "here's the frosting with all the sprinkles"
or "here's the gooey icky chocolate sauce".  He would contribute by
making eating sounds into the towel over his face or saying "they're
all mine" (depending on if he liked the particulary yummy).  Most often
he would dictate the mix and sauce to his liking. And we would *very*
often come up with the strangest concoctions.  But it did change a
grumbly time into a very fun time for both.


---
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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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From: rodi@linus.mitre.org (Linda Rodi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:58:05 GMT
	<1992Aug13.050248.27968@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA


In article <1992Aug13.050248.27968@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> leeba@mot.com
(Leeba Salzman) writes:

>   Children (unless they are overweight, which your son is not) should have
>   whole milk until age 2.  


Our pediatrician stressed that our daughter (then aged 12 months)
should have whole milk, even though she is overweight.  

I understand from another pediatrician that whole milk contains a
certain protein (I don't have the name available) that is essential
for young children and I've also read that children need the fat in
milk to develop nerve insulation.  However, I don't know if the milk
protein and the milk fat are really the same thing and serve the same
purpose, but whole milk contains more of this protein/fat than does
lowfat milk.  In any case, it seems that the thinking is that nervous
system development is a bigger concern that the weight of the child.
From: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: IUGR/Hostile environment
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: kls@whq2-top.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Kurt Staiger)
Organization: Corporate Customer Services  NCR Dayton WHQ-4E

In article <Bt5u33.Bxs@world.std.com> mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin) writes:
>
>The weight difference is becoming striking between the two babies.  The 
>presenting baby (boy) is 6 lbs, and the top baby (supposed girl) is
>4 lbs 8 oz.  Her weight has not changed in 3 weeks.  I can literally see
>the difference is size on the ultrasound.  Both babies get 8/8 on the 
>biophysical profiles.

>My question is:  has this happened to anyone else, and what exactly happened
>to the babies once they were born.  This doctor seemed to think that she

>Has anyone had a baby that small at 37 weeks?  One that was breathing and
>was basically healthy if not very small?  What was this like?  

I can tell you that our girls were induced at 37 - 38 weeks and delivered
vaginally.  They weighed 5 lb 3 oz and 4 lb 10 oz.  They didn't use the term
IUGR which I suspect depends as much to the mother's uterus size as the smaller 
child's health.  Hospitals do routinely deal with children as small as this
(at least those with a neonatal ward) with few complications.  In our case,
they were kept for an additional two days of observation to make sure they were
eating and for light therapy to decrease their bilirubin levels.  But at the
end of the observation period they came home without any further complications
(at least not related to their birth experience :)).

Let us know how it goes!

Kurt Staiger  

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's family values
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:10:05 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1992Aug19.184127.2064@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry):
>
>>It doesn't matter what you believe, or what opinions you give.  But to tell 
>>me that everyone should follow your beliefs is the crux of this problem.
>
>Freedom to preach is part of religious freedom too.  You don't have to
>listen and you can preach your own brand of religion or
>morality.

In the US, perhaps.  On the other hand, one is not free to make a
public nuisance of oneself and not suffer the consequences.


Actually, some public good can come of this.  In a city not too
far from here, there was recently enacted a moderately reasonable
noise ordinance.  This in more or less direct response to
complaints about certain fundamentalist street preachers.




-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:55:43 GMT

kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:


>We don't care whether they're right or wrong, insofar as we can
>define those concepts.  We want them to be not arrogant.

You should care.  If Christians are right (that you are in danger)
then it's not arrogant for them to tell you. If they are wrong then
they are simply misguided. It's arrogant so say "Don't tell me what
you think, I know you're wrong"

>I think the members of this newsgroup ought to go home and read
>some vintage Dr. Suess.  In particular, "The Sneetches" (which is
>followed, in one edition, by "The Zax".  Which is also somehow
>appropriate)

Are you one of the ones with a star that doesn't want it or one without
a star that does want it? The Bible teaches people "Not to think of
themselves more highly than they or, but rather with sober judgement"
and "to be content whatever the circumstances". That seems to be the
message of "The Sneetches". I can't see that it says anything about
not telling people (or your children) what you believe to be right.

Tony
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Department of Robotics and Digital Technology, Monash University
PO Box 197, Caulfield East, Vic 3145, Australia  
Phone: +61 3 5732014  Fax: +61 3 5732345
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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things They Say [4]
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:53:48 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

rice@cray.com (Jonathan Rice) writes:

>I was making candy on Saturday afternoon (in my abundant free time :o) -- see
>"Second Baby Thoughts" thread) and Anna was helping.
>
>Anna: That's the tiniest spoon I've ever seen.
>
>Me: This was my baby spoon.  Grandma Rice sent it to us when you were born.
>
>Anna: That was your baby spoon?  Daddy, it must be a hundred years old!

Yeah, it was my husband's birthday the other day, and my almost-five-
year-old Alan asked how old he was going to be.  I told him 30.  Alan
said, "No way.  If he was that old he would be dead."  So I asked him
how old he thought dada was.  "Ninety."

Then there was the other day in our "new" car.  Alan was driving his
electric window up and down and wishing he had a panel like the
driver does that controls all the windows.  "Well, maybe when my
parents die, I can sit in front and do all the windows!" he said cheerily.
"Hey, I'm your parent!" I said, thinking he didn't understand.  "Yeah,
I know."  Didn't seem to bother him.  I told him maybe when he was
sixteen he could drive even if his parents didn't die.

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Questions re: left handedness
Keywords: lefthanded child, righthanded parents
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.231216.24181@news.mentorg.com> brenda_cripps@mentorg.com writes:
>
>I was the only lefty in our family.  The one thing that I really had
>trouble with was writing.  The teacher had everyone slant their papers
>to the left to write (like righties do).  I learned to write with the
>paper slanted the wrong direction because I didn't know any better.
>That's probably why a lot of lefties write weird.

I am also the only lefty in the family (also, everyone else is A+ blood type
and I am O+). And when I started school back in the very early 60's they never
pushed me to write right-handed, but they made my life miserable because they
wouldn't let us use ball-point pens. We HAD to write with regular ink pens
(whatever the technical name is). So my smudging was out of this world ... until
I learned, all by myself, to write without slanting the page and with my wrist
parallel to the edge of the table ... then they finally let us use ball-point
pens.

I'm right-handed to handle silverware, batting and golf. Everything else,
including tennis, sneezing and peeing, I do left-handed.

Martin
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