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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: Questions Preparing for a Garter Snake
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:56:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.021740.9419@parc.xerox.com> putz@parc.xerox.com (Steve Putz) writes:
> (Much deleted)
>
>Also, the thermometer we have indicates 70, 75, 80, 82, 84, 86, 88, 90,
>95, 100, 105 degrees.  Is is better to have something more precise in the
>75-80 range?

This thermometer sounds fine to me.  Gartersnake daytime activity temperature
is around 85-87 F (see Henry Fitch's article, "The ecology of the redsided
gartersnake, _Thamnophis sirtalis_, in Kansas," in the Misc. Publications of 
the Univ. of Kansas Museum of Natural History).  I'd run my garters up into
the mid 80s during the day and turn of the heat at night so they dropped into
the high 60s or low 70s at night.  This is similar to their natural day/night
temperature cycle, at least from what I have read.  And my garters did fine
on this cycle.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
From: cam@milton.u.washington.edu (Cameron Ritchie)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Bunny update
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:46:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu
Summary: Peanut survived her spaying
Keywords: successful spay

Well, for any bunny owners who are interested, Peanut the used-to-be-female
holland lop is now an "it".  We procrastinated in getting it done, so she was
a little less than two when the surgery occurred.  The vet said other than 
having a lot of fat around her ovaries, the surgery went fine.  She wouldn't eat
for the first day, so the vet tried to force feed her applesauce (which was 
a disaster - there was applesauce everywhere).  I guess there was much
growling and lunging, and the vet said she was "feisty" when we came to pick
her up.  The vet gave us a collar, but Peanut seems to pretty much be ignoring
the incision, so we are leaving the collar off and watching her closely.

According to the house rabbit handbook, she is supposed to be confined to
her cage for five (??? is that right) days, so we will try to do that, but
she will be a very angry bunny about being left in her cage that long.

Some questions:
1) How do we decide if we should use the collar?  She has sniffed around 
down there a few times, and maybe even licked (it is hard to tell), but
I would guess that is normal.  Should we only strap on the collar if she
spends more than, what, five? minutes with her head down there?

2)  Do we really need to keep her in the cage for five days?  How secure are 
the sutures (or glue or whatever they use), and when will it be OK for her
to jump around and be a regular little hell-raiser?

3) When is she "out of the woods"?  When can we stop worrying that she is
going to keel over any second?

4) Our other rabbit, Spanky, has a runny eye - we just noticed it last night.
The fur in the corner of his eye is wet, but not pussy or anything, and the
eye looks fine.  His nose isn't runny, he isn't listless, and he is eating
and pooping up a storm.  Anything to worry about?  We think maybe he scratched
his eye when he was scratching his hear...

OK, that is it.  Sorry about being so verbose. Thanks in advance for any advice.

Cam
From: ann@plx.com (Ann Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: anyone know about Racoons as pets?
Keywords: n
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:33:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

My experience with raccoons was as a volunteer at Como Zoo in St. Paul.  Some of the volunteers took in "orphaned" wild animals, and raised them, hopefully to
be released in the wild.  Baby raccoons are adorable and playfull.  However,
in my experience adult raccoons are nasty and territorial.  One of the 
volunteers kept her "babies" to long before releasing them, and was badly
clawed and bitten.  Her injuries needed plastic surgery.

One way to look at this is to read about or study the animal you are interested
in.  Raccoons are loners, and adult raccoons do not tolerate each other well. 
If you want an animal that gets on with people, consider an animal that is 
communal.

But most of all, don't try to domesticate wild animals.  In most places it is 
illegal to own them without a special liscense.  They are not like domestic
animals and require special care and understanding.  Before you consider trying
to keep a wild critter as a pet, try volunteering at a zoo or rescue 
organization where you can come in contact with wild animals and the experts who care for them.
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: dxc@netcom.com (Dixie Chan)
Subject: Free 1yr old, black lab-retriever
Summary: Free 1yr old black lab-retriever
Keywords: labrador retriever dog free
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:53:24 GMT

			'MAX', a 1 year old black
	male, labrador-retriever needs a loving family and home...

	MAX is neutered, has had shots (rabies, dystemper, etc.)
	looks more lab than retriever, is very good with children, is
	healthy, house trained, and has had basic obedience training
	(he responds to sit, come, lie down).

	MAX is FREE to a family who has the time to spend with him.
	
	Phone:  Anna Bell or Bundy eves.
		(415) 964-9046 (s. Bay Area)
	
	(please don't reply to this account)

Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
From: jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke)
Subject: Re: A vet's responsibilities (WAS save this dog)
Followup-To: rec.pets,rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
Organization: Washington State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:09:06 GMT

Kristin J. Thommes (kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano) writes:

> >I feel the need to express an opinion... A vet's first responsibility is
> >to the patient, not the owner.  A vet is not there to serve people who
> >amuse themselves with living toys.  A pet owner takes on a tremendous
> >responsibility by having pets; and if they at any time refuse to live up
> >to it, then the animal, vet, etc have no responsibility to the _former_
> >owner.

>...
> A veterinarian's relationship with the patient (an animal) and the client (the
> owner of said animal), is not unlike that of a pediatrition to his patient
> and his patient's parents.  A pediatrition may =want= to follow a procedure
> for a child, because he/she knows that this particular procedure would be for
> the benefit of the child.  For instance, vaccinating the child againt tetanus.
> However, the pediatrition cannot perform this procedure without the parent's
> consent.
>...
> I guesss the bottom line is that if veterinarians were allowed to decide who
> a "good" owner is, then how much longer would it be before somebody would be
> given the authority to decide who a "good" parent is?  Yes, I am well aware
> of child welfare places where they =do= take children away from obviously
> negligent parents, and that is GOOD.  The SPCA can do the same for animals.

> >Anyways, I've never _heard_ of a vet doing "experiments" with
> >animals.
> This happens every day, at universities and private labs.  This is how
> we find out what sort of side effects there are on certain drugs, and this is
> how new vaccines are created.  Please note that this research benefits the
> =animals= and not just people.  If it wasn't for these experiments, we would
> not be able to do hip replacement for dysplastic dogs.  The rabies vaccine
> would have never been invented.  AND, we would not know how to treat 
> different forms of cancer....what types and amounts of drugs to use, how long 
> to use them, etc.
>.....

I just want to add, Well Said Kristin!

It is unfortunate that vets don't even have the options of guarenteeing proper
health care that the pediatrician has.  Vets certainly cannot intervene on
the part of animals whose owners are misinformed, ignorant, malicious or
otherwise unable to provide proper care.  Nor would I argue strongly that
we should in this society.  We should do our best to inform people of their
options, to educate people about the proper care and ownership of animals.
To convince them that our services are essential in providing an important
part of that stewardship.

-Jeff (another future vet)

--
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
From: mehrl4986@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Guinea Pigs..odor or not odor?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:19:05 -0600
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Guinea Pigs Stink???

My niece wants a guinea pig and her mom will let her have one if they don't
stink.  Are guinea pigs hard to keep clean and healthy?  Is there any tips to
keep animal smells down?  Would appreciate advice from people who own guinea
pigs. 

 Also is there alot of cost involved in raising a guinea pig?  This is
not a rich family.  That means no more than $15 a month on the critter will be
spent.
                                        Signed "Enquiring Minds Want To Know!"

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: malcom@wilbur.coyote.trw.com (Michael Malcom)
Subject: Size of tropical fish market
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:45:56 GMT

A friend of mine is interested in finding out the size of the
domestic (USA) tropical fish market, especially as pertains to
angel fish.
So if anyone knows, please send me the information.
Thanks.
From: gt6441c@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Edwards )
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: FREE Chinchilla
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:17:01 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I have been given a 4 year old male chinchilla.  Although I like him
and he seems somewhat tame, I'm not really in a position to keep him.
IF you have good chinchilla experience and would like a free male 
with food, dust, treats, etc (sorry, not the cage), drop me a line and 
and let me know (include a bit out your experience).   

Jon

-- 
Jonathan R. Edwards                     "I have become comfortably numb..."    
gt6441c@prism.gatech.edu                                       (Pink Floyd) 
Georgia Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Attention Nancy Hartman***
From: <KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:49:43 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I realize this is unorthodox, and I don't mean to take up anyone's time, but I
need to get in contact with Nancy Hartman of the Delaware Valley Ferret Club.
If anyone has her e-mail address, or if you, Nancy, read this, Please e-mail me
directly: KAB137.psuvm.psu.edu.  Nothing urgent, I just need some help getting
info concerning ferrets! Thanks!
-=Kymberlie=-
From: mazzeo@pythagoras.math.washington.edu (Rafe Mazzeo)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Second rabbit
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:18:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k1lg0INN58h
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: pythagoras.math.washington.edu

I have two rabbits now: Riley, a two year old mini-lop, and Max,
a non-lop, just under 1 year. Before I got Max, Riley had always been 
fairly well behaved, non-aggressive, eventually very well box-trained, 
and rarely chewed on anything he wasn't supposed to. Riley has also 
always had free run of my apartment. I kept Max mostly in a cage, unless I
was there to supervise, until he was several months old. One
reason for this was that he's always been quite obsessed with
chewing on the carpet, as well as books, etc., not to mention
being rather less than well box-trained. Also, Riley was fairly
aggressive to him, chasing him about and generally harassing
him.  Riley was not neutered at that point, but when Max was
about six months old I had them both neutered. Also, Max has been
allowed to run around freely since about a month or two after
that.  Since then, they have treated each other much better, and in fact 
have become very close friends. Frequently I find them cuddling
together and grooming each other when I come home. When, for
some reason, they have to be separated I can detect a notable
difference (for the worse) in their moods.  Also, as Max
has matured, he has gotten much better about being house-trained,
and is somewhat better about chewing books. I must admit, though,
that Max taught Riley some of his bad habits, and now both of
them are fairly indiscriminate about chewing things and leaving 
their droppings around. However, they both urinate exclusively
in their litter box. I have two litter boxes around, and they
share both of them. They're great pets, and I can't
imagine life without them.  

At any rate, it definitely can work, having two rabbits, although
much depends on their individual personalities. But rabbits are
social animals, and it's clear that they enjoy each other's company.

I also want to comment on an earlier post about chewing on carpet.
Rabbits do seem to like to do this, and I think it has to do both
with nesting impulses (even with male rabbits, since both of mine
will build nests out of ripped cardboard, etc.) and out of their
need to whittle their teeth. Besides being quite expensive to
fix, it should also be highly discouraged for their own health:
carpet fibre is essentially impossible to digest, and if a piece
somehow gets caught, and doesn't pass through a bunny's
digestive system, it can cause a blockage which can quickly
become serious and even fatal. I found this out the hard
way, when Riley turned out to have a hairball, with a certain
amount of carpet fibre in it, that I was very lucky to catch
in time (the vets were able to dissolve enough of it with
papaya enzyme, but they almost had to do something surgical).

Anyway, good luck with the second rabbit!

Rafe
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Salt Spool, what is this for?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:06:33 GMT

 (L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET) wrote:

: The other day I went to pet store, and they had a boxful of something
: labeled 'salt spool--for hamsters, mices, and other rodents'.  I bought
: one because it was cheap(25c).  I have a hamster and what should I do with
: this salt spool?  Just give to him?

Hang it on the side of the cage.  If he needs any salt, he'll lick it off the
spool.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"It is your resistance to 'what is' that causes your suffering."   -- Buddha
From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Richard Blakey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Rat tricks
Keywords: Training, tricks, any info??
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:39:32 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

Anyone had any luck teachin rats any tricks??   Mine does "sit-up-and-beg" real
well, but has anyone had any luck with other tricks?

Any info appreciated.
Jason


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    Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca          "That's me!" - The Frantics 
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: PA109188@utkvm1.utk.edu (John Rich)
Subject: Spring Exotic Bird Fair
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:43:08 GMT

             The Tennessee Valley Exotic Bird Club

                  Invites YOU To Attend It's
                     Fifth Annual Spring

                      EXOTIC BIRD FAIR

                      April 3 & 4, 1993
                    (Saturday and Sunday)

               9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. both days

                  Knoxville Convention Center
                      World's Fair Park
                    Knoxville, Tennessee

There will be Birds, Cages and Supplies for Sale; Demonstrations; Exhibitors;
Educational Displays; and Several Auctions throughout both days.  There
will also be an activity table for children.

For More Information or For a Table Reservation Packet:

      e-mail:   pa109188@utkvm1.utk.edu
     US mail:   T.V.E.B.C., P.O.Box 51425, Knoxville, TN 37950-1425
   Telephone:   (615) 694-7793

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Something New:  By popular demand...  the TVEBC will sponsor a second
Bird Fair in 1993, on August 21 & 22...  Same location.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
         T.V.E.B.C. is HOST CLUB for the NATIONAL CONVENTION OF
               THE AMERICAN FEDERATION OF AVICULTURE
                          AUGUST 1994
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: bcs33424@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bryan Siegfried)
Subject: What do you call hamster babies
Reply-To: zig@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:56:56 GMT

	Like the subject says, I was wondering what I should call
a hamster baby.  


-- 
Bryan Siegfried							zig@uiuc.edu
Solvet saeclum in favilla
From: milligan@netcom.com (Michael Milligan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Chinchilla for sale.
Keywords: Chinchilla
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:33:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


 I have a 6 month old gray male chinchilla for sale.  I hate to part with
him, but feel that he doesn't receive the attention he needs, and I live
in an apartment which doesn't permit pets.  He's in perfect health, 
very tame and beautiful breeding quality.  I bought him from a breeder 
in San Fransisco, so he's not one of those traumatized pet store types.
I would like to get $100.00 for him, his cage, care book, a supply of 
food, raisins etc.  If you're interested or know someone who might be,
please email me at the email address below or call me at
(408)261-0757. I live in Santa Clara, so local SF Bay inquiries only.

-Erik Seilnacht		<eriks@apple.com>

P.S. - THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FOR A FRIEND.  PLESE DO NOT REPLY DIRECTLY
       TO THIS MESSAGE.  SEND MAIL TO eriks@apple.com.
From: swallace@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Steven Wallace)
Subject: IEEE floating point
Newsgroups: ieee.general
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:37:06 GMT
Distribution: usa

Could someone direct me to an anonymous ftp site, path where I can get
public domain C source code that implements IEEE floating point operations
using fixed point operations?

Thanks
From: gcarter@infoserv.com ()
Newsgroups: ieee.general
Subject: Re: joining
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:52:01 -0800
Reply-To: gcarter@infoserv.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: SFBAC
X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64)

In <C1FGIt.1wF@world.std.com> modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall) writes:
>hi...

>	i was just wondering how one goes about joining IEEE?
>i belong to the boston chapter of the ACM, but i was curious about
>joining IEEE... if someone could email me some details, i would appreciate
>it...

>	thanks

>-mark

Send email to info.membership@ieee.org
Newsgroups: ieee.general
From: modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall)
Subject: joining
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:49:40 GMT

hi...

	i was just wondering how one goes about joining IEEE?
i belong to the boston chapter of the ACM, but i was curious about
joining IEEE... if someone could email me some details, i would appreciate
it...

	thanks

-mark

Newsgroups: ieee.general
From: mckeogh@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (MCKEOGH LAWRENCE FRA)
Subject: Information on optical (UPC) readers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:46:57 GMT


I was given the opportunity do perform an independent lab project.  I am 
interested in designing and building an optical bar code reader. (Like the kind
in the supermarkets)  If anyone can give me advice such as where to look for
some information on this topic (theory or examples) it would be appreciated.

Thanks Larry McKeogh\
mckeogh@rintintin.Colorado.EDU
From: St..Mary's@f111.n285.z1.fidonet.org (St. Mary's)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Physics Bridge ninfo
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:50:46 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:285/111 - Wayne State College, Wayne NE

Hi,
    I teach mathematics grades 9-12 at St. Mary's High School in 
O'Neill 
Nebraska. Today, Lon DuBois, the physics teacher asked me to 
inquire from 
the internet people, any ideas about bridge building using balsa 
wood or 
popscicle sticks. This is to be a classroom project, designed to 
have 
students build the strongest bridge possible using only the 
materials 
provided them. This would be a competitive project.
    If you have an outline of this kind of project, or 
suggestions, 
recommendations, or any ideas, would you please send e-mail to 
me and I 
will pass the information to Lon. 
thank you
sbahrij@nde.unl.edu


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From: Orville.Grasdock@f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Orville Grasdock)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: menet
Date: 20 Jan 93 06:03:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Hi Betsy,
    I am a retired school teacher.  I write to some local grade school students on Metnet every day and they reply back.  I do this at my home.  I enjoy doing it and the students really appreciate getting the Email.  Just think how some students can spoil it for other by misuse of the net, how sad.  I support you 100% by making it a read only net for a couple of weeks.  I would be willing to spend some time helping you any way I can in order to keep this very worth while  thing operating.  Best of luck.
                            Orville Grasdock

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From: Ryan.Harrington@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Ryan Harrington)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: HOMOSEXUALITY
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 12:53:26 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

To Rebekah Lawrence:
 
I read your article on homosexuality.   I am getting back to you
because I agree with your views on homosexuality.  I also feel that
it is a choice that people make to become gay or straight.  I do
not feel in any way that the desire to be gay is something you are
born with.  I feel that there are rare cases in which a person's
chromosomal make-up is messed up, but as I said, these cases, I
feel, are extremely rare.  I also have another strong opinion about
what causes a person to choose a homosexual lifestyle.  I feel in
most cases, if not all, that homosexual tendencies stem from a
sexually abusive background.  In every case that I have heard of,
this has been the case.  I am not saying that every sexually abused
person turns to a gay lifestyle, but isn't it possible that a
sexually abused person could be more susceptible to be confused
with their own sexual identity?  I believe so.  I feel that
homosexuality is in every case immoral.  Instead of being accepted
it should be treated!  Homosexuality is a mental disorder (as far
as I believe).
I would appreciate more of your input, Rebekah.  Please get back to
me.  And to anyone else that would care to involve themselves in
this debate--I encourage your input as well.
 
Jessie Bailey 


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From: Jeanne.Lindgren@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (Jeanne Lindgren)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.science
Subject: Equator flush
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:26:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

Iain-
So may we assume that just to be sure, you went home and flushed your toilet? And does your Aussie john confirm that Southern Hemisphere cubicles drain clockwise? I've been told that toilet bowl design can direct the flow of water, so to be sure.... could you fill up a sink and let the water drain? Your response is much appreciated, and Patrick et al will be thrilled to know we have aroused your interest. Happy flushing- Jeanne Lindgren Taipei



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