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From: v054mdvg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall J Jasmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: User-defined popups in FoxBase
Keywords: POPUP MENUS
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi.

I noticed that, unlike it's DOS counterpart,  FoxBase+/MAC does not
permit the user to place .dbf file field entries into a user-defined
popup.

Is anyone out there familiar with a work-around to accomplish this?
Any suggestions would be gladly appreciated.  Thank you in advance.

Randall Jasmin
The State University of New York at Buffalo
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Can 4D 2.0 run under system 7
Keywords: 4D, system 7
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:37:55 GMT

garza@CS.ColoState.EDU (david garza) writes:


>I want to know if 4D 2.0 runs OK under system 7.

4d runs fine under system 7.0. in fact, i'm not even sure if it is
supported under system 6 anymore.

>Do I really *need* to buy the upgrade to 4D (2.2.2)?

you really *need* 4d 2.2.3, but i don't think that you have to buy it.
you can get it from anyone who has it already provided you use your
own serial number from your original purchase of 2.0.

>I really don't want to spend money now if 4D 2.0 will work as it's been
>working so far under system 6.0.8. May be later if I decide to take 
>advantage of some of the system 7 features I'll buy the upgrade.

i can't believe that your application even works at all under 4d 2.0.
that release was incredibly buggy; you will be *much* happier with
2.2.3. 

--mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: t35058d@kaira.hut.fi (Sami Markus Kuisma)
Subject: Automatic buttons in 4th Dimension
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:29:51 GMT

Hi there!

I have a serious problem with 4D's automatic buttons. Some of them are quite 
useful, like Add and Delete Included but designer doesn't have any control 
over those. The normal Enable/Disable Button commands don't have any effect 
on automatic buttons. So is there any other way to enable/disable them?
 
My main problem at the moment is Add To Included button. I have related many 
file in included layout. After the user has added certain amount of related 
records I want to disable the Add To Included button. How Can I do that?
 
Also does somebody know if it's possible to get amount of 4D's free memory 
without using external procedures? If not maybe it's time to buy that External 
Kit...
 
Hopefully waiting for solutions
 
Sami Kuisma
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: charlesa@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Charles Albrecht)
Subject: 4D: Error.  This seems to be an infinite loop.
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: world, usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:27:21 GMT

Error.  This seems to be an infinite loop.

Has anyone else encountered this error dialog?  It occurs sporadically when
I leave a 4D database open in the background in the User environment.
I've tried to catch it with ON ERR CALL, but to no avail, so at least it's
_probably_ not in my code.  Any idea why this occurs or how it can be
prevented...

I'm using 4D 2.2.2 with System 7.0.


Charles


--
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NCAR - Scientific Computing Division * P.O. Box 3000 * Boulder, Colorado  80307

The opinions you are about to have read are ficticious...
        ...any similarity to opinions living or dead is purely coincidental.
From: garza@CS.ColoState.EDU (david garza)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Can 4D 2.0 run under system 7
Keywords: 4D, system 7
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:22:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I'm posting this for a friend  of mine who doesn't have access to the internet:

You can send your answers to this news group or the the address shown
at the end of this message.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have 4D 2.0 and a Mac CLassic with system 6.0.7 

The Mac is just being used for running *one* 4D application and 
some basic word processing (Word 4.0) I would say that 95 % of the
time it is being used in the 4D application.

There are no actual plans to run or develop any other applications at least 
for a while.

I'm about to sell my Classic and buy a Mac Classic II.

I want to know if 4D 2.0 runs OK under system 7.

Do I really *need* to buy the upgrade to 4D (2.2.2)?

I really don't want to spend money now if 4D 2.0 will work as it's been
working so far under system 6.0.8. May be later if I decide to take 
advantage of some of the system 7 features I'll buy the upgrade.

I'm still going to be using the Mac most of the time for running that 
application that I've been using so far.

Thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

David Garza
garza@cs.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: breck@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu ()
Subject: 4th Dimension version 3.0 !!!
Originator: breck@kirk.ecs.umass.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:53:33 GMT

I just talked to a fellow who is using the beta version of 4D 3.0.  He
loves it.  I told him about the 4D app I'm going to be developing and
he told me to WAIT to start writing the user interface part of it 'til
the release because I will want to use its multiple windows and
time-slicing features.  It's that close.  Definitely August.
-- 
Liam Breck     breck@zonker.ecs.umass.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: wolfmc@rtsg.mot.com (Michael Wolf)
Subject: Clipper Database exist for Macs?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:03:19 GMT

I have heard of a databse called Clipper for the PC's.  
Does it exist for the Mac?

TIA

Michael

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Subject: Re: Omnis 7
Reply-To: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:50:43 GMT


In a previous article, Fred.Puhan@p4219.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Fred Puhan) says:

>On 7/22/92, Jerry Sy said to All: 
>
>
>
>    Version 1.1 (due any day now) does away with the 15-character limit, now
>    allowing file and field names up to 255 characters in length...
>

That is still yet another annoyance with blyth.  they announced release
on july 21.  now its july 24 and they are still not yet shipping.  knowing
blyth, I wouldn't pin my hopes too much on "due any day now" thingies they
are saying.

In fact, becuase I program for a Fortune 500 company, blyth promised that
they will ship by overnight express several days ago an advanced copy
to us, baloney!  unless they have their own definition of overnight.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Subject: Re: Omnis 7
Reply-To: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:51:00 GMT


In a previous article, Fred.Puhan@p4219.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Fred Puhan) says:

>
>   I heard today that the ship date has been pushed back until August 4.
>
I wouldn't count on that until I have the package in my hands.

>   To be fair, however, Blythe has promised biannual upgrades, and they've held
>   to this commitment a lot more closely than other developers; I've been a 
>   beta tester for 1.1, and have found it so stable that I trashed version 1.03
>   from my hard disk...
>

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Subject: Re: Clipper Database exist for Macs?
From: ejw1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:08:39 GMT
Reply-To: ejw1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Academic and Public Computing

In article <1992Jul22.170319.1740@rtsg.mot.com> wolfmc@rtsg.mot.com (Michael Wolf) writes:
>I have heard of a databse called Clipper for the PC's.  
>Does it exist for the Mac?

Nope.  The closest you can get is FoxBASE+/Mac.  You might also look at NuBASE.
Both use the xBASE command syntax, which is what Clipper uses.

>TIA
>
>Michael

Eric

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               Eric Weidl    e-weidl@uchicago.edu
      University of Chicago -- Academic and Public Computing
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From: dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Fox/Mac DOUBLE-CLICK BROWSE FIX!
Summary: It's here!
Keywords: FoxBase/Mac  Browse double-click
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:25:44 GMT
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia


If you've ever sworn at the lack of double-clicking to edit a record
in the FoxBase/Mac browse then your troubles are over!  
 
On request, a shareware XFCN will be mailed to you that enables you
to trap double-clicks, return, tab and/or enter keystrokes and generate
a command-keystroke of your choice.
(Anyone who wants to upload it to any ftp sites is welcome).
 
A separate XFCN for true scrolling list dialogs, with fast-loading arrays
not limited by Fox memory space is due out in August.
 
These are the result of frustration in waiting for FoxPro/mac to be 
released RSN (for the last two years, dammit!).
 
If there's enough demand for any other ideas (eg: graphing) then they will
be considered - I've spent enough midnights over the last two weeks programming
this stuff I think I could do anything (but that's probably just the adrenalin/
fatigue toxins talking).                    

Andy Dent (A.D. Software - Mac & VAX programming)
94 Bermuda Dve, BALLAJURA  Western Australia  6066
Phone/Fax: 09 249 2719 (local)  +619 249 2719 (International)
       Internet: dent@DIALix.oz.au    Compuserve: 100033,3241
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: johnrobi@aludra.usc.edu (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Memory allocation in 4D code resources
Date: 24 Jul 1992 17:19:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: Memory, 4D

Hello:

I'm writing a code resource for a 4th Dimension external, and have
had some problems allocating memory in the resource.  The code
works OK as a standalone app.  Does anyone have a list of 
do's and don'ts  for externals?

PS - i'm writing in "C".

jr



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: ytsai@darwin.helios.nd.edu (yijean tsai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: filters in 4D
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:28:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul28.142858.22140
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


  
I have a student ID field of 10 characters long. The student ID is normally a
social security number except for the foreign student there is a "Z" appened 
to a 9-digit number. I set the filter as "!#&9###-##-####~"z;Z"#". 

The problem is that when I enter a social security number for this field, it
will automatically append the "#" (or whichever placeholder I use) to the end. 
How could I get rid of the "#" such that I can get the correct selection when I
use the social security number to search for data.
From: hiroaki@cv3150.hs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: PictureLink
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:12:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul21.202057.1725
Reply-To: hiroaki@cv3150.hs.washington.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locke Computer Center, CAC, University of Washington

Hello,

I'd like to build a 4D database for hundreds of captured images. Images
are all 8-bit grey scale and some measurements were overlayed on it.
I have heard PictureLink or something do this kind of work but not sure.
Does anyone know the best way to do this? Any information/recommendation
will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.


Hiroaki Hosokawa
Univ. of Washington 
Dept. of Cardiology
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: Too much memory required by FileMaker Pro
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:57:35 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <11tA02.h1bbn01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> mzk20@spa.amdahl.com (Makoto Kobayashi) writes:

>I purchased FileMaker Pro to build a database for the literature of my interest
>in computer science.  Each record consists of authors, title, source, and key words.
>I intend to create about 3000 records currently.  It will grow to 10,000 records
>eventually.  However, after I created some 300 records and saved it on a diskett,
>I noticed that each record takes about 1K bytes of memory!  Why does it take so much
>memory?  Is there a way to reduce it?  Should I use another more efficient database?

You can always save a compressed copy of the database with the "Save A
Copy As..." command in the File menu but the file will ballon up again.
When our databases reach 2,000+ record we can usually expect 1/2 KB per
record if there is a reasonable number of fields and layout, but your
mileage may vary.

>Any comments will be wellcome.

Set your news editor to UNDER 80 columns!

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business

                     "My heros don't appear on no stamps."
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From: siva@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.databases
Subject: WANTED: Hypercard/DAL XCMD/XFCN set
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:26:56 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System


Hi,

I'm looking for a system 7 savvy Hypercard XCMD/XFCN set to interface to DAL.
Before I roll my own, does anyone know of one ?  I'd prefer PD or Shareware, 
but would like to know about any commerical products also.

The set I am currently working with is from Digitals Pathworks 1.0 release,
which has some problems.  We will be getting the 1.2 upgrade, but not for a
couple of weeks.

I also know of the set of DAM interfaces on the developer CD-Rom. 
Unfortunately, though, we don't subscribe. :(  

Please mail your responses to SIVA@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU, since I don't have much time
to read news nowadays. 

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: ST25370@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: 4th Dimension version 3.0 !!!
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 07:24:15 CST

In article <1992Jul29.235333.26338@risky.ecs.umass.edu>
breck@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu () writes:
 
>
>I just talked to a fellow who is using the beta version of 4D 3.0.  He
>loves it.  I told him about the 4D app I'm going to be developing and
>he told me to WAIT to start writing the user interface part of it 'til
>the release because I will want to use its multiple windows and
>time-slicing features.  It's that close.  Definitely August.
>--
 
MacWeek this week (cover article) says 4D 3.0 and assorted other upgraded
offerings from Acius will be shown in Boston at MacWorld Expo in the middle
of August.  Shipping isn't supposed to begin until sometime in September.
$195 upgrade from 4D 2.2.x to 3.0.  4D Calc or Write (one, I forget which)
is also going to be released in September.  The dataserver also should ship
in Sept, but pricing has not been set yet.  The article does not state one
way or the other if re-writing will be required for 2.2.x dbases to run under
the dataserver.  4D 3.0 dbases are supposed to run under the dataserver with
no problem.  Run-time lisencing was not mentioned.
Oops!  The compiler 2.0 is alos supposed to be released in Sept.  List
continues at $1000.  4D 3.0 will list for $895, according to MacWeek.
4D 3.0 sounds really nifty, but a $195 a shot, plus an undetermined amount
likely to be a couple grand, I don't forsee our site upgrading anytime
real soon.  Particularly if the upgrade will require extensive re-writes of
existing code.  We've got several years worth of new products in the pipe
already, and re-writes would push those back a couple more years.  Job
security is great, but I do like to see the end of the tunnel every now and
then...  And some of these bugger took a couple years to finaly get right,
and I'm not ready to tackle them again.
 
 
 
-
>Liam Breck     breck@zonker.ecs.umass.edu
>
 
 
Bill Jamison
rwj@engr.latech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: marykuca@ra.UVic.CA (Brent Marykuca)
Subject: Need Help Choosing Mac Database App
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:44:57 GMT

Hello,

I am reasonably new to the world of Macintosh databases, and I have 
encountered a situation that I can't handle...I'd appreciate any help
the net can offer.

One of our clients hopes to use a Macintosh database to catalogue
elements of a west coast native language. Part of this task requires 
that the database allow a mixture of fonts (possibly custom ones) and 
styles within a text field. As well, fairly sophisticated text-
searching functions are required (something based on regular 
expressions would be nice). Finally, the data is already sitting in 
some kind of file on an IBM mainframe which contains the font 
information embedded within it. He would like to be able to import
this data into the database in some way which will preserve the font 
and style information.

Here's what I know:

1. FileMaker Pro won't do, because its text-search functions are
   limited, and because it doesn't provide the kind of importing
   options he needs, although it will allow varied, styled text
   within fields.

2. FoxBASE+/Mac won't do, because while it will do the kind of
   searching he needs, font tricks apparently aren't part of its
   repertoire.

3. HyperCard can probably do everything that he wants, but he seems
   hesitant to use it for some reason.

I have heard good things about 4th Dimension, but have never used it.
Will this program do the kinds of things he needs, or does it suffer
from similar limitations?

Are there any other kinds of database applications around which could
tackle this job? (Especially: is anyone out there building a linguistic
database on the Macintosh?)

Any tips, pointers or advice will be gratefully accepted. E-mail or
post replies, and I will summarize if there is interest.

Cheers!

___________________________________________________________________________
Brent Marykuca::Computing User Services::University of Victoria, BC, Canada
(marykuca@sol.UVic.CA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Memory allocation in 4D code resources
Keywords: Memory, 4D
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:07:19 GMT

johnrobi@aludra.usc.edu (John Robinson) writes:

>I'm writing a code resource for a 4th Dimension external, and have
>had some problems allocating memory in the resource.  The code
>works OK as a standalone app.  Does anyone have a list of 
>do's and don'ts  for externals?

if you are having trouble getting memory (easy to run out if you are
working with pictures), you might try increasing the partition size
for 4d in the "get info" box.

--mike
From: breck@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu ()
Subject: 4D and the Disk Cache
Originator: breck@spock.ecs.umass.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:48:07 GMT

I've just gotten 4D's demo package, and the sheet that tells you how
to install it says the Mac's disk cache in RAM must be turned off.
Why?!  I have my LCII performing beautifully with a fairly large
cache, I'm not willing to sacrifice the speed improvement it provides.
Must I do this with the full 4D package, too?  What the *@#%!!!
-- 
Liam Breck     breck@zonker.ecs.umass.edu
From: ST25370@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: Re: 4D and the Disk Cache
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:34:58 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY


 
> As I understand it, 4D gets no use out of the cache
> because it does its own caching and would benefit
> from the extra memory that the cache takes up.
 
 
Correct.
 
 
.
> ...I have 8M RAM in
> my 'puter.  Is 4D really capable of using all that?  Only, I imagine,
> if I have a db that's that size, which I won't.  Why doesn't Acius
> give some more detail about that in their install info?  Oh, well.
--
 
 
ACIUS does give more info about that in the 4D Customizer dox.  4D is
capable of using a very large partition of your RAM.  It can use is for
..well... caching.  4D will cache data and code/layouts, which can be
very, very useful fer instance when you have a nice little 7 page layout,
and you're working from a structure file copy that's on a file server you
are connected to by LocalTalk.  4D, with enough RAM, will hold that layout
in memory until it's close, rather thatn having to load pages across the
network as you flip from one to the other.  Given the small size of the
standard lowend mac monitor, I would expect something like this to be a
not-too-uncommon situation (multi-page layouts, that is).  After 3 years
of both development and end-use of 4D databases, we have finally gotten
out asministration to agree that 4Mb is a minimum RAM configuration for any
new machine.  We have not been able to get them to standardise on an
'030 machine, however, so we still are buying lowend machines for dbase
work, and have the small monitor/slow CPU problem.  We are also encountering
great resistance to ethernet migration...  They LIKE it slow and painful.
Acius's Customiser has been a big help, because we have been able to allow
4D to make the best use of what memory is available.  4D Customiser allows
us to configure each databases memory useage for any of several different
end-user possibilities (2/4/8 Mb RAM and various partitions thereof), so
we can help 4D best use waht cache it has, based on the dbase's needs.
 
 
.
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From: pricec@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (price carl wayne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
Subject: 4D--Printing upside down/sideways
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:22:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Jul26.012210.15060
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to print fields in my
layouts both upside down and sideways.  

Thanks in advance.

A summary of e-mail responses will be posted.

--Carl

-- 
Carl W. Price		 	*      * Technological progress is like an   * 
Computer Engineering Student	*      * axe in the hands of a pathological  *
Oregon State University		*      * criminal.                           *
pricec@prism.cs.orst.edu	*      *       ---Albert Einstein            *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.databases
From: mbcamps@hubcap.clemson.edu (Matt Campbell)
Subject: Re: Omnis 7
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:10:37 GMT

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