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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Christmas
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:05:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec23.213854.5032@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mlkerns@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael L Kerns) writes:
> 
> So, what exactly do Satanists do at Christmas?

We sacrifice preborn chickens and drink their lifeblood to celebrate the
wanton destruction of thousands of trees.

In other words, we drink eggnog and unwrap presents under the Christmas
tree :)

Actually, it depends on who you talk to. Different people do different
thinks. In my case, I'm going to spend it with family, wishing I were 
somewhere else (a common activity this time of year).

> Is it a pretty depressing time of year? 

Supposedly it is a very depressing time of year, particularly for those
who get involved in the celebrations and suffer a letdown afterwards. I
suspect that the *truly* depressing time of year for most people is a
few months down the line, when the bills start rolling in.

I doubt that Satanists particularly find Christmas depressing, unless
they are distressed over the millions being duped into wasting their
time in a slave religion. Most Satanists I have talked to seem pretty
level-headed regarding such things.

> What are the "holy" satanic days?

Those who are in sympathy with the teachings of Anton LaVey and the
Church of Satan consider the most holy days to be one's own birthday,
since one is one's own god and the "highest" being there is. Following
in importance are Walpurgisnacht (April 30) and Halloween. Actually,
I bet all Satanists practice these, especially the first one.

Other days of significance to Satanists, and to occult matters in
general, are the solstices and the equinoxes, February 2 (called
Roodmas or Candlemas) and...one in August sometime (the 1st?) called
Lammas. These days, along with the two listed above, are traditionally
associated with witches, and trace back to pagan holidays of great
antiquity. Note the number of Christian holidays during these times:
Christmas for the winter solstice
All Saints Day for Halloween
Groundhog's Day for Candlemas
 
> Curious

Yes, you certainly are.

This is it for me, I'm signing off. See you when I find another
e-mail address.

May you all have a happy celebration of capitalistic greed and a
joyous end of another taxation period!

--Semhaza (The Antichrist)
From: jokers@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Douglas Eugene Fund)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: really
Date: 25 Dec 1992 01:38:26 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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Summary: really
Keywords: test

In case your curious God wins in the End!!!!!



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From: Sirbyte'@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Sirbyte')
Sender: tghost@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Who/What is Akrab?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 17:13:14 -0500

 KD> From: delong@NCoast.ORG (Keith DeLong)
 KD> Newsgroups: alt.satanism
 KD> Subject: Who/What is Akrab?

 KD> I have encountered the name Akrab in 
 KD> some reading, can anyone tell me 
 KD> more about this being?

 KD> Thanks...

Cummon, Akrab is a small crustacien that dwells on the bottom of many bodies of
water.  It is primarly a scavenger and ......  Ya..Ya.. anyways euff with the
jokes I apologize for the humour but it keeps me sane.  I have come across Ah
Crabd in my journeys simply it is he that distributes the right amount of
knowledge, if you have the wisdom to use it.  But mt travels are not down the
Satanic pathes.
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Evil cartoons for sale
Date: 24 Dec 1992 10:44:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

Get your kicks out of sadistic graphics?  Scope out the disturbed world of
Japanese comics, with English subtitles, for ONE DOLLAR.  Written by 
Maruo Suehiro, the man has some of the most violent/evil pictures to offer
on the planet.  I am selling off copies of his out-of-print works.
If interested, send $1 w/ a self-addressed, stamped envelope to:

Henry Robertson
2206 Durant Ave. #5
Berkeley, CA 94704
USA

And you won't regret it.  If you would like to see a complete catalog, feel
free to contact me by e-mail; I'm selling for 10 cents/page domestic.

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Black Flame (review)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:36:11 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec21.033928.8326@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher) writes:
> Just returned from the Abyss bookstore. Since there has been some interest in
> Satanic magazines, I picked up[ a copy of "The Black Flame"
> First off, it is only 50 pages or so long and it cost me $6! Minus points
> there.

When I heard that it was a whole 50 pages long, I was impressed. $6 sounded 
cheap to me. I guess it is a matter of perspective--most of the mags I buy
cost more than that w/less content. Of course, they don't carry much in the
way of ads, but I'm sure they have larger distribution to counterbalance their
budget.

> Second, it appears to be an organ of the Church of Satan.

Now that *is* a minus. But is it an "organ" or does it simply reflect the
attitudes of the dominant Satanic organizations of the moment?

Thanks for the review! I will be sure to check it out.

--Semhaza (The Antichrist)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Oh so worried.
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:42:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.184119.16666@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky) writes:
>
>Besides, I'm sure we have people here who practice astrology,
>numerology, magick, wicca, hinduism, automatic writing, and yoga, have
>read the Necronomicon, use Tarot cards and ouija boards, play role
>playing games, go to non-xian churches, listen to heavy metal, etc,
>etc.  Hasn't anybody gotten possessed?
>
>Wayne, Das Anxious Hundchen.
>

How can we tell? Maybe we are all "possessed" or "attached", and never noticed.
How could we, if it were in fact what it is said to be? 

Just a thought!
Happy/Merry <insert Holiday of choice here> to All!
Pax
					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: delong@NCoast.ORG (Keith DeLong)
Subject: Who/What is Akrab?
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:37:09 GMT

I have encountered the name Akrab in some reading, can anyone tell me 
more about this being?

Thanks...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:25:41 EST
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

Space reserved for ritual denials of altruistic impulses.







Lighten up, everyone: even vampire bats have been known to give a free
blood snack to family members who have had an unsuccessful night looking
for involuntary donors.  You have a friend in Transylvania.  So have
yourself a merry little potlatch, and if you get coal in your stockings
keep in mind that coal is an American energy source, and using it keeps
us that much more independent of the Arabs.*

The above sponsored by Beltrami Strip Mining Inc., Hazleton

Anyhow, I'm off for 2 weeks: I'll dig up good demon-indwelt-Xn quotes when
I return.
.
Bill Ellis (wce2 @ psuvm.psu.edu)                 Editor, FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton Campus                       Voice: 717-450-3026
Hazleton, PA 18201-1291                           Fax: 717-450-3182
     "He who affirms the devil, creates the Devil." --Eliphas Levi
From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Alt.satanism FAQ
Date: 1 Jan 1993 09:25:43 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <KK.92Dec31124758@nic.funet.fi> kk@nic.funet.fi (Kimmo Koistinen) writes:
>
>  Does anyone have info about occult/satanist/new age/paranormal-related
>networks that use Fidonet standard? If so, please mail me addresses (if
>any Internet, Fidonet also do) and other info. I am interested.

 There is the Pagan/Occult Distribution Network (PodNet) on which I run a
BBS. My fido address is 1:343/56 and my BBS phone number is (206)634-1980.
You can download or file request PODNET.Z60 for the current nodelist. I
have a pretty wide set of echoes on my BBS as well. Podnet uses Zone 93.

Wassail,
Grendel Grettisson, sysop of The Sacred Grove

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Merry Christmas
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:52:30 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Space for Rent )
Subject: Re: Oh so worried.
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:55:16 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec22.055548.17602@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky) writes:
>drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) writes:
>>>> Maybe some of you would like to come up with a definition of what
>>>> exactly Satanism *is*...

>> So the things that you have experienced are real, the things you have
>> not aren't?  Rather myopic, it seems.  Magic is a branch of psychology,
>> not physics.  "There are more things in heaven and earth..."
>
>Actually the underlying assumption I've been making all this time, and one
>which everyone seems to have missed, is that there =is= an objective reality
>(of which "demonic spirits" either are, or are not a part of).  I guess we
>don't have many experts in quantum physics on alt.satanism.  A quantum
>physicist would have recognized this assumption!

Actually, I did not get an "A" in my QM course, only an "A/B" but I learned
enough to be able to tell you that the statement "objective reality" is a
ridiculous contradiction in terms according to "quantuum physics". I (tho not
a "quantuum physicist") did realize this assumption & tried to point out its
silliness...

>As for the statement "the things that you have experienced are real", there
>are various optical illusions that dispel that notion.  Here's an example;
>I don't know if this will work with text drawings but:
>
>       \                        /         /              \
>        \                      /         /                \
>         \                    /         /                  \
>          XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX          XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>         /                    \         \                  /
>        /                      \         \                /
>       /                        \         \              /
>
>The idea is that one of the lines of X's looks longer than the other
>(they're actually the same length -- count the characters).  Stand back and
>look at them from a distance, that seems to improve the effect for me.
>
>It's worth pointing out, however, that, even though you misinterpret what
>you see, you're still seeing something "real" -- that is, the ascii figures
>are "real".  The conclusion, perhaps, is that while "the things that you
>have experienced are real" they may also be misunderstood.

But to your nervous system, the information recorded therin is "real". If you
ftp up a file, and you get errors in transmission, though they are errors
they are equally "real" to your computer. Try running a C program with
transmission errors in it sometime...

under the elder sign...
-Scott
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: BUEBL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Buebl Felix)
Subject: your articles in a mud
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:25:32 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I just want to inform you that I coded a "Guide" like thingy for a "mud" -
a Multi-User-Dungeon.

The players there can read all the (semi)fictional articles from The Guide.

Felix aka Xilef
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob/Eddie Froman depending on th'moon)
Subject: Re: The Guide
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:38:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.132224.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> vjs4@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:

>First, one of the nice features of the Guide! is that it can keep track of 
>future references to the same subject an cross refference them together.
>(Check me on this Steve. I believe it can do that.)

Egg-zactly; TG!'ll be happy to hang on to cross-references to articles
which do not yet exist... then, if/when they *do* arrive, TG! will
cheerfully attach the cross-reference, and *voila* instant x-ref!

(NOTE that this is in direct conflict with Paul's concepts of what the
cross-references should be... he feels that the xref's should only point
to articles which already exist; that's cool, cos it's up to the editors
to decide what xref's to allow in official articles anyway...)

(Furthermore, TG! will automagically double-link any and all xref's so
that if article B has a cross-reference to article A, then the system
will automagically add a cross-reference from A back to B.  Cool, huh?)

>Second, I'll have an actual article on Hell ready sometime after saturday
>when my finals are done, so everyone can relax already on this Hell buisness.

Cool.

Steve
--
******************************************************************************
  you have just    |"For those who look for meaning, and form as they do fact,
 been bothered by  | we might tell you one thing, but we'd only take it back.
 Texas Bob and/or  | Not back like in a box, back; not back like in a race;
   Eddie Froman    | not back so we can keep it; but back in Time and Space!"
(based on th'moon) |                                             -- HEAD, 1968
---> swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu <------------------------ "End of Line." ---
From: satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Mephistopheles)
Newsgroups: wpi.students.vox,alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: WATERS
Date: 2 Jan 1993 19:50:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu





Preacher or poet who was it wrote
Give any one species too much rope
And they'll fuck it up


- From Amused To Death, Roger Waters

-- 
*******************************************************************************
* satan@wpi *
*           * my lips may promise, but my heart is a whore - nin
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Marie Watson)
Subject: Request...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:58:51 GMT

	Does anyone happen to have copies of my old posts???

	I can't seem to find mine... I'd like copies of all of them
(if anyone has any of them...).  

	Also... I know I'm _way_ behind on my email from my other account...
the problem is that I can't access it now (system is still down) and I
have _no_ idea how much unread mail is there...  If you mailed me and I
didn't reply, you could always try again at this address. I don't know
when I'll be able to get in my account at pecan... I don't have time to
go down to the lab itself so I'll just have to wait till I can access it
from here...

			Psycho Kitten
			(only 250 pgs. left...)
From: justin@hp750.ccs.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Christmas comes but once a year
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:17:07 GMT
    <1992Dec26.065829.9839@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <1992Dec26.72839.4949@ms.uky.edu> 
    <1hqatbINNhc0@life.ai.mit.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst) writes:

>...but the problem is, people delude themselves [and allow themselves to be
>continually duped] into thinking that a dream is just a dream, a thought is
>just a thought.

  You kind of have to.. We're all trapped in this situation. The irony of
our society is tragic: If you're depressed (realistic) you're 'sick.' If you
walk around pretending like everything is rosy, they'll lock you away for
being out of touch with reality. =P 
  There's truth to what you say.. A dream IS just a dream. I see dreams as a  
source of inspiration, not an end unto themselves. Now, that fellow that
mentioned that fear is the strongest emotion? Well, yeah.. Kinda. 
  Most people don't live out their dreams (I do not consider wanting to be
doctor a 'dream,' either) because they're afraid of two things: Society
and Security. By that, I mean that if something feels good, society probably 
has a rule against it, in which case you'll probably regret ever having
DREAMED of having a really good time (good CLEAN fun is the best, 
incidentally). 
  And by security, well.. If you really let yourself go, it would probably
be a very unfamiliar experience, resulting in a confused individual who is
again wedged between a rigid society and a desire to break away.. I think
everyone goes through this. It's a shame society gets the upper hand. 
  
>So changing the consensual reality this way is hopeless -- you'd have to kill
>off most of the population [...or induce suicide...hmmm...]... Me, I prefer my
>own realities; I construct and discard more in the first five minutes of
>consciousness a day than most dream of in their life time.

  That's interesting.. So do I. I don't do shit all day long, but every so
often, I make a breakthrough.. :) The way I see it is this: For every
potentially happy person (no one is really happy, I'm afraid), there is at
least one person that is, was and probably will be MISERABLE jerk. The happy
person can go have a good time, but the miserable jerk will make damn sure
it doesn't happen again! He'll run for office! :) <hehehe> Seriously though..
So far as I can tell, that's more or less how it works. I know *I* didn't
make the rules..

>...but it still doesn'y make the world a better place, take away hurt for those
>who can't/won't do it themselves, or make suicide any less attractive...

  Suicide is a very attractive alternative. It was then, it is now, and it 
always will be. My 'perfect world' consists of people who meet death on
THEIR terms.. No one grows old and decrepit, mainly because no one chooses
to do so. Life is good, but all good things must come to an end, and 
something will be along to take its place. 
  
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: Re: helplessness and powerlessness
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:26:30 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <85927@ut-emx.uucp> llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

[Deletia]
>on the other hand, something in me rebels against saying, "i'm the
>victim of the things that happen in my life and i have no control over
>how i feel about them and how i react to them and i'm just doomed to
>be the way i am until i die, which i should make happen as soon as
>possible." that doesn't work any better than "i'll just decide to be
>happy" does. if i'm that much at the mercy of the world, then what's
>the point for *anyone*? why bother to be an individual if you have no
>way to control anything in your life?

>so the reality must lie somewhere in between these two extremes. (gee,

Why does this follow?  Just because "that doesn't work any better
than..." doesn't mean it isn't true.  

>it works out that way a lot.) there may be some things in my life i'm
>powerless over. i can't control what other people do, i can't make
>people love me if they don't want to, i can't do a lot about all sorts
>of things in the world at large. but there are a lot of things i can
>control. i can decide how i feel about things, i can decide how (or
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

I just don't understand this.  If I could just decide that I'm not in
love with W----, I would be at least a bit happier (well, less
depressed maybe).  If I could "decide" I really like working for
minimum wage I _could_ be ecstatic for the rest of my life.  I don't
know about anyone else (me?  sure of something?  never happen) but I
cannnot accomplish anything remotely resembling this kind of control
over my emotions.  

Gakk.


-- 
 Richard Powers    / Disclaimer: My keyboard is \   Computer=Amiga
rpowers@panix.com <  screwy.   Missing  letters  >  Music=Industrial
   Hail Eris!      \ should     be    expected. /   Food=Vegetarian
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: justin@hp750.ccs.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Christmas comes but once a year
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 05:58:04 GMT

fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:

>Well, its christmas eve.  I'm about to go and be happy with some people.
>I think most of my life has been spent trying to make people think I'm
>happy, not much point really, especially when it all breaks down like it
>did the other day and I had to spend the afternoon in a pub just so I
>could get the speech for my brothers wedding done.  Then I had to go to
>dinner with my brother's fiancee's family, and just before we went in I
>told my family just how fucked everything is, which is not a nice thing
>to hear just before your son gets married.  But that was OK, because I
>was happy again by the time I got in, but I think I overdid because then
>I had an incredibly pissed lady next to me attempting to feel me up.
>Sigh.  But why the hell am I telling you this?

I dunno.. Do you have a "Feel Sorry for Me" sign on you? People take a certain
degree of pleasure in discussing (and laughing about) unpleasant things. *I*
take a certain degree of pleasure in not feeling sorry for anyone, and not
applying any special significance to hypocritical holidays. Christmas?
What's it mean? It means you had better not get the urge to go anywhere, 
because everything is closed (except for the video stores and arcades, it
seems).

Most people live their lives trying to fool everyone (including themselves)
into believing they're happy. You remind me of a friend of mine who
always tries to make a nice point, but has to buy a third shoe because he has
one in his mouth so much. Your brother and his friends/family may not ever
invite you to another one of their reindeer games.. The temptation to tell
people how pointless everything is can become quite strong, but I always
find myself apologizing about it sooner or later. The irony is that
everyone will get a puzzled look on their face when they find you in a pool
of your own blood.. You just TOLD them how miserable you were (in so many
words), but they'll all ask: "Why would he do something like that?" 
Duh..
From: justin@hp750.ccs.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Christmas comes but once a year
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:12:25 GMT

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>I intend to conduct an experiment in which I will be drunk out of my
>mind and will be reading the article again.  Maybe, I can get some insight
>(possibly from God, if he exists) as to why life is as crappy and unfair
>as it is.

It's remarkable what you can see sometimes.. I'm always walking around
somewhere, thinking about nothing and particular, when all of a sudden
it strikes me. "AH HAH!" I think it's sad that it requires a chemical
catalyst for some people, though.. :( It's a little more realistic than
talking to a wall, though..

Religious types always tell you how miserable they were until they 
'found Jesus.' (they get offended if you make wise-cracks about where he
might have been hiding :) They tell you how Jesus keeps them going.. That's
pathetic. I dislike people who require chemical assistance just to get out of
bed every day, but I really have no hope for people who delude themselves
about 'Jesus' all the time. <sigh> Enough about that.. 

Life is not crappy and unfair. <surprise!> People are. More to the point,
UNHAPPY people are. Life is beautiful.. Society isn't. We build cities
that aren't fit to live in, work and play around things that aren't
good for us, and deal with laws that only help to make us unhappier still.

(I was walking the dog when that hit me..)