HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: GAZETTE: THE WORLD 'REMARKS' OUR FRENCH-INFLUENCED ENGLISH
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Aug18.140842.29371@spxtech.qc.ca>
	<1992Aug19.154402.6855@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <17e2haINNlu2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:38:16 GMT

In article <17e2haINNlu2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven) writes:

   In article <1992Aug19.154402.6855@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
   >What about the French equivalent for the English phrase
   >
   >               "Write an exam?"

   This is amusing.  Canadian usage of "write an exam" was one of the
   most noticeable things about Canadian English when I first was at UBC.
   We don't use "write an exam" here in California.  To write an
   exam here would be to create it (what the professor would do).
   Students take exams.

After American students take exams, I hope they complete them and give
them back.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
From: cchen@cs1.uct.ac.za (CM CHEN)
Subject: Re: Canadian pro-union magazine "Our Times"
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:28:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.141957.15160@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
>Subject: Canadian pro-union magazine "Our Times"
>Date: 23 Aug 92 14:19:57 GMT
>I thought this message from Our Times magazine might be of interest to
>people reading this newsgroup.
> 
>(begin forwarded message)
>
>Interested in reading about life from a pro-union perspective? Then you
>should SUBSCRIBE to Canada's independent labour magazine, OUR TIMES. Since
>we're independent of any one union, OUR TIMES can criticize both what
>unions and big business are doing when it affects the lives of workers.
> 
>Read about corruption in the Teamsters, Women confronting RCMP
>strikebreakers in the Northwest Territories, democracy (or lack of it) in
>unions, and the life-threatening conditions of construction workers in the
>September issue.
> 
>Send $3 for a sample copy to OUR TIMES magazine, Circulation
>Department/Usenet, 390 Dufferin Street, Toronto, Ontario M6K 2A3, Canada.
>Annual subscriptions (8 issues) are $20 for individuals, $32 for
>institutions. Call Mike at (416) 531-5762 to order or fax (416) 533-2397.
>
>
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Subject: Places to stay in Vancouver, BC, Canada 
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: ca 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:01:49 GMT

I don't know if this question applies to this group, but I'll ask it anyway.

Does any Vancouverites out there know of any cheap places to stay in 
downtown Vancouver?  Say around $30-40 a night.
A friend of mine will be travelling there and staying for two nights.

Please reply by e-mail, as I don't read this news group often.

Thanks in advance.

--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Cyrus Shafai                        <cshafai@ee.umanitoba.ca>
The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory  -  STM/AFM Lab
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada   ph. (204) 474-6007
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6255 can.politics:6399
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: RE: Oui ou Non (was Re: Election sun rising
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:07:05 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Sep3.100653@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
>In article <BtzA2p.3FI.1@cs.cmu.edu>, clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
>|> (*) I think it is neat the we federalists get to [be] on the OUI side this
>|>     time.
>
>Popular folklore in Switzerland has it that people find it easier
>to vote "no" to a referendum no matter what the question.  Therefore,
>the question should be "Do you not want to accept the new constitution?"

I agree with Stewart that it's good, from the federalist point of view,
to be on the "yes" side.

In 1980 the majority of Qubecers did not vote in favor of anything.
They only voted against giving the provincial government a mandate
to negotiate sovereignty-association.  Voters could have been in favor
of the status quo, renewed federalism, independence "pur et dur", or
none of the above.  If a Quebec referendum were held this year on
sovereignty (as envisioned by Bill 150) and the majority voted "no", it
would still not be a clear vote in favor of any given constitutional
structure.

If Quebecers and other Canadians vote in favor of the constitutional
deal now being proposed, it will give a great deal of legitimacy to
this deal.  I think it's reasonable to assert that a constitution
is not something to be changed on a too-frequent basis.  If a majority
in all regions of the country agree to a basic structure for the
country, it will seem unreasonable to demand radical changes to that
structure (independence, sovereignty-association, a supranational
common market, etc.) in the near future.

Lucien Bouchard said several months ago that the Bloc Quebecois would
lose its raison d'etre and ought to disband if the current negotiations
were concluded successfully.  (I wouldn't bet on him sticking to this)
No doubt there will remain many committed
independantistes in Quebec.  They will still have the right to
promote their cause, but I think their movement will lose a lot of
force if the current proposals are approved.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Re: Speed and Driving
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:37:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.115027.7296@ac.dal.ca>, jshimeld@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> 
|> I, for one, enjoy living in an environment where crossing the road is not
|> generally a life threatening experience.  I cite Halifax, where drivers
|> actually stop at crosswalks for pedestrians.  Having lived a good portion
|> of my life in Ontario, I find the drivers in Nova Scotia infinitely more
|> courteous and safety conscious than their Ontarian counterparts (not to 
|> say that there aren't bad drivers in N.S. either though).
|> 
	Ah, citing Halifax may not be the best case here.  I think in
	1988 or 1989 the Halifax had to crack down on cars NOT stopping
	for pedestrians after 2 or 3 people were KILLED at crosswalks
	in one summer.  One of the killed was a child after a parade. Sad.

	I was AMAZED and SHOCKED in Montreal at how the cars stopped
	for me to cross the street downtown.  Much bigger than Halifax.

|> 
|> Besides providing a factor of safety for the public, speed limits also
|> serve an important legal function; they allow the distinction between
|> an accident, in the true sense of the word, and reckless driving.  
	
	Well, since I drive a motorcycle, properly and with respect to
	others, I can say speed limits do NOT weed out the BAD drivers, they
	weed out the fast drivers.  Make sense?  Most people haven't
	got a clue on the road.  They buy a new car for more than $15,000
	and they don't even use SIGNAL LIGHTS.  If the car didn't have them,
	they would probably complain about it.  

|>Since
|> most accident victims seem to need compensation for their suffering, this
|> is not a trivial point.  Speed limits are the most practical method of 
|> judging a driver's innocence or responsibility in an accident. 

	I beg to differ in MANY cases.  Only in extreme cases will this work.


|> I'm
|> not saying speed limits are the "be all and end all"; they are simply
|> the most practical method of dealing with a complex problem.
|> 

	Maybe, but driver EDUCATION is the BEST way to deal with the 
	shitheads out there.  Once you learn to handle a motorcycle, and
	realize how defensive you have to be, it all becomes MUCH more
	clear.

	(I was born and grew up in Halifax, left in 1989, I know what the
	 drivers are like)
-- 
  
    Craig Hamm, Memorial University, | I don't think the letters which appear
    Newfoundland                     | on your letters page are genuine. I 
    DoD #1500,                       | think you just make them all up.  In
    81 Maxim 650                     | fact you probably made this one up
    ------------                     | too.  -J. Clark, Rotherham (Viz comics)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Canadian Mail Codes online?
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:20:07 GMT

This may be the wrong newsgroup for this question, but it was the only
one I could find with the name "canada" in it.

Does anyone know where I can obtain a list of Canadian MailCodes and their
corresponding City, Province? Anon FTP would be preferable.

Thanks in Advance!


-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Questionnaire/Survey
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:29:18 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal


					Montreal, Summer 1992.

To whom it may concern,

In order to complete a Ph.D. dissertation in the field of political science 
I must verify a certain number of propositions. To do so, I must gather data.
To gather data I must ask people to fill a questionnaire.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
If yourself or your parents were born in a country other than Canada you| 
qualify as a respondent. You must also be a resident of the province 
of Quebec.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you wish to receive a copy of the questionnaire or further details, please 
send me a message or provide me with a postal address. You should expect the
questionnaire to arrive via Canada Post within the week. 

P.S. Thank you to those who have already accepted to participate in the
study.

Regards.

David H. Irwin

Please note: this posting should appear only in the Quebec distribution
area. If you can read this posting outside the province of Quebec, please
disregard it. The survey is limited to Quebec residents. Thanx!

######################################################################
David H. Irwin				E-mail: irwin@ere.umontreal.ca
University of Montreal
			<<Have a Nice Day>>
#####################################################################
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Denis - Please post
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:51:42 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Aug28.081447.3657@darwin.ntu.edu.au> (Lisa Nixon) writes:
>Denis:
>
>Sorry for the personal plea, but would you please post the names of the
>other victim at Concordia?  I am assuming Prof Zhiogas died and I know Mike
>Hogben was one other.  I can't get any news here in Darwin and I'm
>concerned about friends/ex colleagues at Concordia.  Thank you.
>
>Lisa Nixon

Strange, but the group where most discussion occured is the one
where the first messages from Dr Fabrikant were sent :
sci.research.career
You can probably get now the names in reading that group (instead of can.*).
Anyway, when back at home tonight, I will take the names in the
local newspaper and post it to you.

Cheers.

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Computer Society in Canada
From: <WBWQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 23:29:16 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Unusual coincidence. Today I had the same thought and looked up the
information in our college library.

Canadian Association for Information Science
Univ. of Toronto
140 St. George St.
Toronto, ON, Canada M5S 1A1
(416) 978-8876

International Society of Mini- and Micro Computers
P.O. Box 25, Sta. G
Calgary, AB, Canada T3A 2G1
(403) 288-1195

Canadian Information Industry Association
P.O. Box 9211
Ottawa, ON, Canada K1G 3T9
(613) 741-5274

The SIGSMALL/PC of IEEE(?) was also listed. I'll have to look it up
later. Hope that helps.
I'm also interested. Please post or email if you find more information
about any of them( dues, employment services, career fairs, etc.)
                             William from Queens College, NY.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6244 can.general:4258 can.politics:6391
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:13:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BtzA2p.3FI.1
	<1992Sep2.010009.12978@csi.uottawa.ca>
	<1992Sep2.025956.3731@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
	<1992Sep02.045731.8357@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
	<1992Sep2.200213.26540@pandora.matrox.com>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Sep2.200213.26540@pandora.matrox.com> thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:

   myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:

   >My prediction: Liberal and NDP coalition government, Chretian as PM,
   >Conservatives win 3/4 of Quebec seats, NDP vastly increase their seats
   >in central and mid-western Canada (except in B.C.), Liberals grab most
   >of Atlantic Canada (but too few seats to matter), Lucien Bouchard
   >rejoins Conservative party prior to election.
   >Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada

   My wild guess: Conservative and Reform coalition government.
   Mulroney as P.M.  Conservatives win all of Quebec seats.  Liberals
   win 1/2 of Ontario seats, the rest Reform and Conservative.
   Liberal Atlantic. Reform and N.D.P big in the west, in that order.
   Lucien Bouchard becomes head of P.Q. after referendum and
   Parizeau's resignation.

I am not sure about Reform's popularity in Ontario, but I do concur
that Parizeau, who returned to the PQ specifically to work for
independence, would most probably resign in the aftermath of a OUI(*)
referendum result.


(*) I think it is neat the we federalists get to on the OUI side this
    time. 

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: Short list of American & Canadian English words
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:13:28 GMT

WBWQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
: From the Doubleday Dictionary, mostly from Pgs.xxvi & xxvii,
:  Some english vocabulary differences:
:  religious (schools)        separate (schools)
:  council chairman           reeve
:  county council chairman    sheriff
:  (the train) left           (the train) departed
:  can                        tin

I have a feeling that these are probably older Canadian vocabulary,
probably British in usage.  

Now the following vocabulary differences will ALWAYS cause problems:
  American                      Canadian
  --------                      --------
  hamburger                     nip
  french fries                  chips
  goose                         fudgie
  directions                    intercourse
  the                           spanking

: By the way, is Gordon Lightfoot touring this year or next?

Didn't he die in a car accident a few years ago?

-- 
Brian Ross                         "At the end of the day, all money gets you
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca     is a better place to watch television."
                                    -- Dana Carvey
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Repost the Fabrikant files ?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:27:23 GMT


I got a message from a person who suggested that some people on 
the Canadian groups may have been unable to read the Fabrikant 
files over the sci.research & sci.research.careers newsgroups. I would
hate to duplicate the postings unnecessarily, but if there are 
enough people who want me to do it I will repost on the Canadian groups. 
Please send me a message if you are interested.

By the way, the Fabrikant mail can be picked up for anonymous FTP
from 
    davros.acs.ohio-state.edu   directory: pub/fabrikant.txt


Dov


bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu





Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6273 soc.culture.usa:7110
From: amunn@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Munn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: About Canadian Permanent Resident Alien
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:13:10 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <1992Sep2.044254.12369@ultb.isc.rit.edu> txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ) writes:
>Hi, Dear Netters,
>
>    Is anybody who is familiar with U.S. Immigration Laws able to tell
>me whether Canadian Permanent Resident Alien can work in U.S. or not and
>where(INS) I can confirm with that?  Any comments will be highly
>appreciated.

Your immigration status is solely determined by your citizenship, not
your residency status any particular country unless I'm very much
mistaken.  The fact that Canada allows you to be a resident is
irrelevant to the US if you come from a country they don't like.  For
instance, you don't qualify for the free trade visas which are only
for US or Canadian citizens.  The only way Canadian citizens can work
in the US is to have a TC (free trade visa), an H visa or resident
alien status.  Non-citizens have one less option.

Alan

>Timothy Cheng
>--------------
>txc6266@ultb.ics.rit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Concordia Deaths 
From: (Lisa Nixon)
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:35:46 +0900
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Distribution: world
Organization: NTU

Has the name of the second victim of the shootings at Concordia been
released yet?  I knew Mike Hogben through work and cannot express my sorrow
at what has happened at my alma mater.  

Thank you for any further information.

Lisa Nixon
NTU
Darwin NT Australia
From: s312@brems.ii.uib.no (Permjit Bhamra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Tragedy at concordia and a net-proposal
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:45:04 GMT

Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:53:37 GMT

Could somebody PLEASE mail me the original story! (What happened ?)

THANX!
 
__________________________________________________________________________
                Permjit Bhamra, Dept. of Computer Science 
                      University of Bergen, NORWAY
                         E-Mail  s312@ii.uib.no         
__________________________________________________________________________
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6092 can.general:4157
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
Subject: Re: Tragedy at concordia and a net-proposal to prevent furthur incidents
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:34:32 GMT
	<1992Aug25.140839.23145@csi.on.ca>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Aug25.140839.23145@csi.on.ca> richard@csi.on.ca (Richard Martin) writes:

   Um, from what I've been given to understand, the situation at
   Concordia was quite different from the incident at la Polytechnique.
   Apparently the gunman in this case was frustrated by the refusal of
   his tenure, and had had disagreements with other professors.  So he
   went and shot them.

I'm not sure who he intended to shoot, but the people he shot were not
the people he attacked in this email.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Denis - Please post
From: (Lisa Nixon)
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:14:46 +0900
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Distribution: world
Organization: NTU

Denis:

Sorry for the personal plea, but would you please post the names of the
other victim at Concordia?  I am assuming Prof Zhiogas died and I know Mike
Hogben was one other.  I can't get any news here in Darwin and I'm
concerned about friends/ex colleagues at Concordia.  Thank you.

Lisa Nixon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Short list of American & Canadian English words
From: <WBWQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 00:16:05 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

From the Doubleday Dictionary, mostly from Pgs.xxvi & xxvii,
 Some english spelling differences:
 AMERICAN                   CANADIAN
 traveler                   traveller
 jeweler                    jeweller
 ...                        ...
 honor                      honour
 flavor                     flavour
 labor                      labour
 ...                        ...
 Some english vocabulary differences:
 religious (schools)        separate (schools)
 council chairman           reeve
 county council chairman    sheriff
 provincial viceroy         lieutenant governor
 conservative (party)       (parti) bleu (for Quebec)
 liberal (party)            (parti) rouge (for Quebec)
 (the train) left           (the train) departed
 carry or carrying place    portage
 can                        tin

Languages & Canada, two of my favorite subjects.
William from Queens College, NY.
By the way, is Gordon Lightfoot touring this year or next?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: Speed and Driving
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:15:06 GMT

jshimeld@ac.dal.ca writes:

>In article <yoXiqB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>I, for one, enjoy living in an environment where crossing the road is not
>generally a life threatening experience.  I cite Halifax, where drivers
>actually stop at crosswalks for pedestrians.  Having lived a good portion
>of my life in Ontario, I find the drivers in Nova Scotia infinitely more
>courteous and safety conscious than their Ontarian counterparts (not to 
>say that there aren't bad drivers in N.S. either though).

Yep, I would agree that the "average" driver in Nova Scotia seems to be
much better than others across the country (except BC and Alberta since
I haven't driven in those two provinces).


--
=================================
skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca
St. John's, NF, CANADA
"Have a touton or do without'n !"