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From: pjml@swmis.nerc-swindon.ac.UK (Pete Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tracking the Digital Fox
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:11:09 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu



Steve Schindler (steve@vulture.ksc.nasa.gov) asks :-

>How difficult would it be to DF a packet station on 1) a clear channel with
>only the fox transmitting, and 2) on a shared channel with multiple users?

Actually, quite easy. Remember that you can make the fox transmit at
any time by simply connecting to him. Set a short timeout, and he will
respond to your idle RR's.  But make sure your DF does not depend
on manual antenna rotation... look to a doppler-type DF. Now if only
a Wullenweber array was portable......  :-}
 
1 2 2 4 4 5 5 3 3 1 1             Pete Lucas
2 1 4 2 5 4 3 5 1 3 2             G6WBJ
3 4 1 5 2 3 4 1 5 2 3             Holbrook House
4 3 5 1 3 2 1 4 2 5 4             Station Road  Swindon
5 5 3 3 1 1 2 2 4 4 5             PJML@uk.ac.nsw.swmis
From: little@nuts2u.enet.dec.com (nuts2u::little)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hamtronics receive/transmit converters?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:25:34 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Posted-Via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

Has anyone tried the Hamtronics 2 meter receive converter or 70 cm
transmit converter?  I'm also trying to find an inexpensive 70 cm
linear amp to build to go with the transmit converter.  There was a
70 cm transverter and amp design in QST in late 1991, any
experiences with those?
    
My goal is to build an OSCAR station for my parents with the least
amount of cash outlay.  I can loan (give?) them my old Kenwood R-599
receiver and an HR-2510 10 meter transceiver, so I figured
inexpensive receive/transmit converters would be the way to go.  Any
other suggestions that would let me get them up on AO-10/AO-13 for
under $300?
    
73,
Todd
N9MWB
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: brian@amd.com
Subject: Re: Protective case for HTs
Originator: brian@minotaur
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Austin, TX.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:52:11 GMT

Scott Richard Rosenfeld writes:
> I have noticed that companies no longer sell leather cases for their
> radios, just these little, junky, soft vinly cases that keep things dry for
> the radio but do nothing to protect the rig from bumping into things, like
> floors.
> 
> Since the battery packs on these rigs are of different sizes, the radio can
> drastically change size, depending on the pack used.  Anyone know of a case
> that adapts to the variable size of the radio, while still protecting the
> radio to some degree?  Leather would be nice...
> 
> Scott NF3I

Unless your doing something wrong, leather cases won't expand.  :-)

Seriously, if you want a nice leather case for an HT and can't find
one off the shelf, I'd suggest that you drop by your nearest shoe
repair shop (or saddle shop, if in a rural area) and see what they
would charge you for a custom made simple case.  I recently had a
camera case made this way for an old SLR camera.  Including leather,
total cost was under $20.  (It ain't perfect, but it's a lot better
than nothing.)

    Brian McMinn,  N5PSS
    brian@amd.com
From: forozco@nmsu.edu (OROZCO)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: illegals (was: Re: Radio Shack Business Band Radio)
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:20:30 GMT
	<1993Jan21.183435.1083@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
	<FOROZCO.93Jan22173548@dante.nmsu.edu> <lm8cvkINN9c3@news.bbn.com>
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

This is in response to Mr. "levin@bbn.com"'s posting about my original
posting on Radio Shack letting try out 2m HT's to anyone who walks
into the store:

1.  This is not by any means saying that Mr. "leving" is wrong.  If
one of the employees in the store happens to be a ham, **anyone can
operate** the HT using the employee's call, as long as he is present at
the store.

2. Just to clarify things, I'm darn sure none of the employees at the
store I went to are hams.

73's de Luis   N5UHB
--


                               	
Luis F. Orozco                 N  5  U  H  B     
forozco@dante.nmsu.edu               g  o  o  
forozco@freedom.nmsu.edu             l  m  y 
                                     y  e 
                                   
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:24:34 -0500 
From: Keith Poole <kp2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 4N5 Callsigns

I have worked several 4N5 stations lately and I am confused about just what
part of the (old) Yugoslavia they are in.  In addition, YU5XTC handles
cards for some of these stations.  He is located in Stip, which is in
Macedonia.  Given that Macedonia is not recognized by the USA or Europe
(because of objections from the Greek government), how do I address mail
to Stip?

Thanks and 73.

Keith Poole (K7MOA/3)
From: tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FTP site for radio mods
Date: 24 Jan 1993 10:31:50 -0500
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.cs.widener.edu

Does anyone know of an FTP site where mods for assorted radios can be
downloaded from? As well as any other interesting ham stuff?

73,

stuart b. tener, N3GWG (N3GWG @ K3PGB, packet)
tener@cs.widener.edu
(215)-338-6005
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: n9ljx@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Stembaugh)
Subject: Re: Real NoCodes
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:58:37 GMT

In article <1k29kdINN57i@shelley.u.washington.edu> cummings@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings) writes:
>In <C1FMon.4q4@anomaly.sbs.com> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>>cummings@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings) writes:
>
>>>	But it's also easy to see it for what it is:  A series of
>>>mean-spirited generalizations about "no-codes" disguised as humor.  It's a
>>>classic example of someone wanting to put down a whole group of people
>>>while maintaining an easy excuse for doing so.
>
>>Gee, where was your condemnation of the "Real hams...." list which was
>>posted shortly before my "Real no-codes" list? Two different standards?
>
>	You're changing the subject.  Combining this with the tactic I

Sorry, but I think that is a valid question. Some people are just too
sensitive to ignore insults that are designed to ignite emotions. Not that I
agree with Micheal, but why not just smile, say 'What A Jerk!!', and get on
with life!! IS there really any need for this flame fest!?

I think you could all stand a good dose of 'Get A Life!' 



BTW - KD1HZ, I like your .sig comment!
-- 
Scott Stembaugh - N9LJX           internet: n9ljx@ecn.purdue.edu
Operations Supervisor, ADPC       phone:    317 494 7946 
Purdue University
West Lafayette, IN 47907-1061
From: hdavies@rx.xerox.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Real hams?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:54:16 GMT
Reply-To: hdavies@rx.xerox.com
Organization: Rank Xerox Ltd.

In article 12164@bongo.tele.com, julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.141435.11243@spectrum.xerox.com> hdavies@rx.xerox.com writes:
>>In article aa06911@ingate.microsoft.COM, a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho) writes:
>>>What is with these insults. I've been licensed as G8UDP for 13 years.
>>>
>>>72/73 Kevin, N7WIM / G8UDP
>>[snip]
>>
>>Yeah, but that isn't a *real* license!	:o)
>>Regards,
>>Hugh, G0CNR.
>
>	Whaddya mean not real? Them G0,4,3 thingies cost the same per
>year as the G8 ones. When I consider my air time as G8LUK, it must
>work out at about 45 quid an hour. Cell phone air time is probably
>cheaper. Last time I was in the UK - just for 6 hours - I didn't raise
>anyone.

Next time I'd be happy to arrange a sked.

BTW, last time I was in LA, the repeaters sounded just as evil as the London
ones. Some things don't change no matter where you are, huh?

 
>
>	But, my G8 was much harder than my N6. This does not take into
>account the U.S. Morris test.

I might get around to the US exam one day, but when the reciprocal license
is free and grants Extra privileges (OK, not really, but no-one enforces the
differences), why bother?
---


Regards,

Hugh.
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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEED HELP FINDING OLD CALLSIGN
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:39:56 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In <398@radio.nusc.navy.mil> keith@radio.nusc.navy.MIL writes
|levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) said:
|>In <1993Jan22.135838.15824@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
|>  parnass@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Bob Parnass, AJ9S) said:
|>|Also, some people *incorrectly* assume that you can tell how
|>|long a ham has been licensed from the data on these servers.
|>
|>True, but you do get an upper bound!
|>
|>        /JBL
|
|Umm... maybe we're just defining terms differently here, but don't you mean
|a LOWER bound?  If you're referring to the dates, they only tell you the last
|time some action was taken on the license (upgrade, change of address, etc.)
|So the person has obviously been licensed at least since that date.

I was referring to exactly what it said in the text: "how long a ham
has been licensed" - and you do get an upper bound!

Of course I might have said it more clearly.

	/J
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  | 
pots: (617)873-3463  |                                      "I gotta go."
              N1MNF  |                                            -- I. Shoales
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Consider this about roof mounted mobile antennas...
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:01:24 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:

> jmcoving@unccsun.uncc.edu (John Covington WN4BBJ) writes:
> >...  But make sure you use an NMO mount so it will be
> >compatible!  Larson, and probably others, have mounts which are not
> >NMO-compatible; and if you use one of those mounts you will be stuck.
> 
> But the regular Larsen mount fits in a 5/8" hole, whereas the NMO goes
> into a 3/4" hole.  So if you blew it and used the regular Larsen mount,
> you can always enlarge the hole and put an NMO into it.
> 
> Of course, you'll have to buy the NMO mount, and reconnect the coax to
> it.  Better to do it right the first time.
> 
> Motorola uses a special NMO with super-low-loss Teflon/silver coax for
> their 900 MHz radios.  If you're going to be running 450 MHz in the car,
> you might well invest it one of those instead of the plain coax model
> that the typical ham store carries.  Your local two-way shop will probably
> have some in stock.  They'll even do the install for you if you like.
> 	- Brian


And, as a cursory glance at the Larsen catalog will show you, Larsen 
makes lots of antennas for either style of mount. Tough, well made, and 
Larsen stands behind 'em, in my experience.


Robert Smits  VE7EMD Ladysmith B.C. e-mail: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. King Henry VI, Part 2
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: tucker@fisher.eedsp.gatech.edu (Jeff Tucker)
Subject: ATL areas hams help with PacSat?
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: ga
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:56:29 GMT

(I attempted to limit distribution.  Sorry if it gets out.)

Are there any Atlanta area hams that would be willing to help
W4AQL, the GA Tech Radio Club, with our first packet satellite
connect attempt?  We have been on AO-13, etc. for several years,
but have never been on the PacSats.  We have all the necessary
equipment and the software, but would like some help and pointers.

Please respond here or call 404-894-8361 during the day and ask
for me.  

Thanks
Jeff N9HZQ
Vice-President GA Tech ARC
-- 
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Jeff Tucker    ()<                  N9HZQ
tucker@eedsp.gatech.edu             Graduate Student, Electrical Engineering
W4AQL Contest Domination Team       Georgia Institute of Technology
                   -PGP Key Available On Request-
From: brian@amd.com (Brian McMinn, N5PSS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Endurance
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:55:12 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Austin, TX.
Originator: brian@minotaur

>A few days ago, Joe Mastroianni, AA6YD, invited all of us here in net-land to
>partake of his short story "ENDURANCE" in the Feb issue of QST....

The story was good, but I take issue with the use of profanity in the
article (mild though it may be).  I'd like to think that hams would
ask "where are they?" rather than "where the hell are they?".  (Or
perhaps "I'm tired and hungry and I wanna go to bed, where the hell
are they?"  :-)

   Brian McMinn
   brian@amdcl2.amd.com
From: jerry@isi.com (Jerry Gardner)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Through-the-glass antennas
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:20:10 -0800
Organization: Spacely's Sprockets
NNTP-Posting-Host: bashful.isi.com



Does anyone know what affect, if any, rear window defroster wires have on
through-the-glass antennas?



-- 
Jerry Gardner (jerry@isi.com)    |	"Violence is the last refuge of
Integrated Systems, Inc.         |	the incompetant" - Isaac Asimov
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:15:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Ham Radio Causes Cancer!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
From: vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Clement Vaillancourt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Question of Fox hunting with Doppler DF Units
Keywords: fox hunting Doppler DF Units
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:11:58 GMT
Reply-To: vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec (IREQ)

Doppler DF Units

I want to go into fox hunting and I have the information to build the
Chuck Tavaris (N4FQ) doppler DF unit. It is a 4 quarter-wave antennas 
sequentially selected. The schematic is in the book: Transmitter hunting
radio direction finding simplified (by Moell, k0OV, and Curlee, WB6UZZ).

I would like to find out if somebody have a PC board for that unit for sale

and

If you can comment on similar units using 8 antennas instead; is it worthed
the trouble to build this bigger units relative to the accuracy we can
get???

Regards, Clem. VE2HQJ

VE2HQJ@VE2CSC.PQ.CAN.NA in packet
vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.ca on the internet
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   Clement Vaillancourt,             |    Institut de Recherche d'Hydro-Quebec
   Analyste,                         |    Varennes, P. Quebec, Canada, J3X 1S1
   Division Informatique scientifique| Tel:+1 514 652 8238 Fax:+1 514 652 8309
   vaillan@ireq.hydro.qc.ca          |  Radio-amateur: VE2HQJ@VE2CSC.PQ.CAN.NA
From: julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Real hams?
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:28:43 GMT
Organization: The hole in the wall. Hollywood

In article <1993Jan22.165416.20092@spectrum.xerox.com> hdavies@rx.xerox.com writes:
>In article 12164@bongo.tele.com, julian@bongo.tele.com (Julian Macassey) writes:
>>Last time I was in the UK - just for 6 hours - I didn't raise
>>anyone.
>
>Next time I'd be happy to arrange a sked.
	But where are you?  I will be thrashing about the Home
Counties and West Country in late Feb. I might take my cheesy Icom.

>BTW, last time I was in LA, the repeaters sounded just as evil as the London
>ones. Some things don't change no matter where you are, huh?

	I prefer the London repeaters. They tend to be funnier.
>
>I might get around to the US exam one day, but when the reciprocal license
>is free and grants Extra privileges (OK, not really, but no-one enforces the
>differences), why bother?

	Here are a few reasons to bother. 1. The licence is free. 2.
The test is a breeze. 3. It is good for 10 years between renewals. 4.
The morons will not think you are a bootlegger because your call does
not begin with a W, K, A or N - Yes, this happened to me. A friend,
G4JPZ, could never get a QSO on 40 until he became N6OET. 5. You will
have an exotic furrin call.

-- 
Julian Macassey at bongo. julian@bongo.tele.com Voice: (213) 653-4495
Paper Mail: 742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue, Hollywood, California 90046-7142
From: salhany@vnet.ibm.com (Wayne Salhany)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:57:24 EST
Subject: Midland 13-516 Transceiver Service Manual
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

I am looking for a Technical Service Manual for a Midland 13-516
VHF Tranceiver (or a copy of one). Up until now, I have been
unable to locate anyone who can help me.

Any help or information would be appreciated. Please respond
to the following internet id.

Wayne Salhany
salhany@vnet.ibm.com
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: DJ580T DSM question
Keywords: Alinco HT DSQ DSM
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:05:44 GMT


I believe you can use all alphabet letters, numbers, and the *, and # in the
DJ580T "message code". This gives quite a few options for codes. :)
I have already started quite a list for myself and friends. 

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wvhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne)
Subject: DSP and The Future
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:59:44 GMT

Well folks, I spent part of last Saturday playing with daddy-ham's (W8UOF)
latest toy: W9GR's DSP box (described in Sept. QST).  I'm impressed.  I found
a nice noisy SSB signal out of Canada, with enough QRN around to make it
really nasty, turned on the box, and presto!  The first words out of my mouth
were : "holy cow! sounds like FM!".  The static was gone, and the S9 hetrodyne 
that popped-up was totally notched-out without a notch cut out of the desired
signal.  I also got to play with the 70 Hz (70!) filtering (which, by the way
didn't ring at all) and acutally enjoyed listening to 20 meter CW.

Now, while I was playing with this thing I was sitting in front of a TS940,
which has a whole mass of neat-o knobs and buttons and things, and I noticed
that I didn't need any of them.  With this $150 "toy" intercepting the
audio, I had no need for notch filters, noise blankers, attenuators, PBT,
slope tuning, or any of those high-priced goodies that Kenwood put on the 940
to improve reception.

My questions for the net: 

Given the *current* state of DSP technology, why do we need all those reception
aids?  Why do we need multiple IF stages with filtering?  For that matter,
why the heck do we even need to continue to use super-het receivers at all?  
Couldn't we simply go to direct conversion with DSP processed audio?  If we
can, why are we still paying $2000-$3000 for transceivers with all that
expensive super-het stuff tacked on?  Why haven't the manufacturers started
producing cheaper receivers with DSP working on the audio?  What have I 
missed?  Am I asking too many questions?

---Bill VanHorne
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Through-the-glass antennas?
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:17:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com (kevin.jessup) writes:

>Still waiting for my license and have an antennea question...
>I have one of those "through-the-glass" cellular lookalike
>scanner antennas that I got from Radio Shack for use with my
>Uniden scanner.

I have had nothing but bad luck with through-the-glass antennas.
Whenever someone posts a question about this, there are usually
a couple of "they work fine" responses, but most hams don't
like them.  I have heard that the metal compounds in the glass
block radio signals; they sure seem to, because I have found them
to be the worst antennas I've ever used for both receiving and
transmitting.

73 DE KK6MY

-- 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
From: mallick@crd.ge.com (John Mallick)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Marge Simpson's sister is a ham!
Keywords: Simpsons, YL
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:34:03 GMT
Reply-To: mallick@crd.ge.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corp. Research And Development

I don't know how many of you caught "The Simpsons" last night, but during one scene when
Marge's cigarette-puffing, Gorgon-like sister is lamenting her lonely life and lack of a
child, she says something like "I still have my ham radio".  The picture shifts to a radio
with a zillion knobs with some foreign-sounding voice coming out of the speaker; the
translation sub-title said "I have a ham radio."

Is this ARRL-approved advertising? :-)

-- 

John A. Mallick WA1HNL
GE Corporate Research and Development
Schenectady, NY 12301
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:45:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Pres. Clinton speech via Packet?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy

In rec.radio.amateur.policy, steve@zero.com (Steve Urich) writes:

>	You mean to tell me all the other non-ham packet bulletins are 
>actually a form of illegal broadcasting and nobody is saying anything
>not even the FCC? 

If the bulletin has nothing to do with amateur radio, then I think it
is technically in violation.  I suspect that the FCC would take a
pretty liberal attitude on this, however.  I doubt they would object
to, say, FOR_SALE items like PC's, oscilloscopes, and surplus
transformers, even though these are not directly related to amateur 
radio.  They might frown upon FOR_SALE items like a Tahoe timeshare 
condo, an '89 Buick LeSabre or a telemarketing franchise.

>>     (23) Informational bulletin.  A message directed only to amateur
>>     operators consisting solely of subject matter of direct interest
>>     to the amateur service.
>What is the difference between informational bulletins directed to amateur
>if these bulletins have nothing to do with the Amateur Radio service and
>broadcasting?

I think the key phrase is "of subject matter of direct interest to the
amateur service."  If it does not have a ham-radio tie-in it shouldn't
be in a 1-way transmission (such as a packet bulletin.)

AL N1AL
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Pres. Clinton speech via Packet?
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:39:53 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

steve@zero.com (Steve Urich) writes:

> 
> 	Just wondering what the legal implications are if one would resent
> 	Pres. Clintons enaugural speech via packet? I read the speech and
> 	it looks pretty harmless, more like poetry :-). 
> 
> 	What are the latest policies on political type information if it
> 	remains distrubuted in the usa? I know there is a limitation of
> 	political qsuos with stations ``outside'' of the usa.
> 
> 	Just Curious, anyone else curious?
> 
> 	73 Steve
> 
> -- 
> |Stephen Urich|        Internet:steve@zero.com         | "Cattle mutilations 
> |NIC: SU2     |        UUCP:uunet!beyonet!steve        | are up!" --Sneakers 
> |ARS: WB3FTP  | Packet:WB3FTP@WB3FTP.#EPA.PA.USA.NOAM  | ax25<->PBBS<->IPGATE
> |Bensalem, PA |Radio:wb3ftp@wb3ftp.ampr.org[44.80.8.44]| TCP/IP-FTP-SMTP-UNIX


Hell, I don't mind if you want to send it outside the U.S. Mind you, I've 
already read it on Usenet, and it has about the same quota of platitudes 
as the rest of the stuff on here....:-)



Robert Smits  VE7EMD Ladysmith B.C. e-mail: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca 

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. King Henry VI, Part 2
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy