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From: cwalker@canopus.tmc.edu (carleton walker `93)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Fusion sugesstions
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:56:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.1340
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Apr10.184306.19107@clpd.kodak.com> benham@anion.serum.kodak.com (Todd Benham (x37354)) writes:
>Would any of you make suggestions on artist/albums of good fusion?
>I like Jeff Beck's Fusion stuff like Blow by blow and Al DiMeola's stuff.
>What else is out there?

	Since you mentioned Al Dimeola, I'd recommend checking out
Return to Forvever. Romantic Warrior is a good summary of RTF. Al is
only 19 on the album, yet is great.

>
>What about great guitar albums like Steve Vai's Passion and Warefare?
>There must be alot.  Appreciate any help. Email please (will summarize
>if much response).  Thanks.

	The problem I have with this album (or a Satriani-ish album)
is that, while there is some fantastic technical work, the music is
centered on chops. Vai (or Satriani) will take a riff and make it a
melody, see the Attitude Song or Ice Nine or Satch Boogie (but I'll
confess that I like Always with Me).
	What I like most about wild fusion bands like RTf or old
Weather Report or Mahavishnu is that they take music in unexplored
directions. Not only do they wildly experiment with new sounds, but
they experiment with the fundamental structure of songs. The songs
have more of a non-repetative linear feel (versus
verse-chorus-bridge).
	In short, I don't reaaly consider Vai-ish guitar albums
fusion, because they aren't fusion in the true definition of the word;
they are derived soley from rock and not at all from jazz.

Carl Walker

--
Carl Walker				"Hectic days ahead of us,
Bucknell University			 Rotten ones behind,
Lewisburg, PA				 Keeping plastics in our pockets,
					 Children never mind." - K, S, & W
From: mitch@banana.fedex.com (mitch wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Percussion Q's
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:58:21 GMT
Organization: Federal Express Corp.

ti_hunt@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>How many drummers out there with recording experience prefer to use a click
>track vs. not at all?
I dont use click tracks to record by.. I do use them for practicing tempo. 

>How many drummers feel that sampled drum sounds and drum machines gives us less
>jobs in the industry today?
If jobs are being lost, then those people need to gain the new skills to keep 
them. Sampled sounds have nothing to do with a drummer losing a job, but if 
a drummer comes in with some sampled sounds and electronic drumpads and the
knowledge to use them, then he will probably get the job *and* better pay.

Just my $.02 

BTW I am an electronic percussionist.

Mitch
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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:5720 alt.guitar:2524 rec.music.synth:8147
From: kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Fender Pro Reverb Amp
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:13:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttidca.34614
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1992Apr14.201434.25478@intelhf.hf.intel.com> dcovell@intelhf.hf.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
>barnhill@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
 [---]
%
%>How can you joke?  We know that sand, especially pre-CBS sand, has a quality
%>which is almost impossible to find these days; there was a mellowing to it
%>which can't be reproduced, even if you sample the sand, and then filter the
%>hell out of it.  I mean, I've tried everything, even including some kitty
%
%Well, this is true; however, some of the pre-CBS sand remained and was used
%in some designs through the early '70s. It's simply not true that quality
%tone can only be obtained from black-face sand. Many devices using silver-
%face sand sound just as good at half the price.
%Design engineers, being tweak-happy folks, couldn't resist the temptation to
%meddle with the sand after CBS bought out Fender. The new sand just didn't
%sound the same. Good thing there was still some pre -CBS sand around...
%We at Intel have access to huge stockpiles of pre-CBS sand with which we
%make our silicon. I've offered to "divert" some of it for music apllications
%but noone's taken me up on it. I suppose they're afraid they'll get burned
%because they can't verify the actual date of manufacture (where are those
%I therefore repeat my offer, and can vouch for the true pre-CBS origin of
%the sand. Using this sand, some enterprising folks could rekindle the Great
%Age of Analog!!!

 I personally think that (pre)CBS sand has nothing to do with the sound, but 
 rather the origing of the silicon.
 I think everyone would agree with me that NOTHING beats the distortion 
 effects caused by the "dirty" sand found on California beaches. 

 It's pretty well documented that the sand Intel uses for their MOSFET 
 transistors causes an overly "clean" sound. This is undoubtebly caused by 
 using sand from Arizona, as opposed to California.

 Just my .02 dollars worth :)

--
Kevin Carothers   {psivax,philabs,retix,quad1}!ttidca!kevin
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: bill@verdix.com (William Spencer)
Subject: Re: "Digital Is A Huge Rip-Off" (Neil Young)
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:06:05 GMT

bae@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kyung Nam Bae) writes:

>I think he is right.  This is just my opinion.  Try this, get a CD and an
>the same on album.  Play them both (of course you need a quality turntable)
>next to each other.  You can tell a big difference (at least I can). 

I can too, but am more amazed how close they are. Anyone who says either is
far better is lying. Both Neil and Sony.

Interesting comment about "thereaupuetic value"[sp?] though.

bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,rec.music.synth
From: jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker)
Subject: Re: Fender Pro Reverb Amp
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.163312.27357@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, enorwood@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Earl Norwood) writes:
|> >
|> >If it's a Pre-CBS blackface Pro Reverb (black face with white
|> >lettering under the knobs and a silver grillcloth -- no blue in it),
|> >it goes for $250 to $300 used, in good condition, in the NYC area,
|> >though collectors are trying to bring the price up.  In general, the
|> >price of all of the old blackfaced are going up for no good reason
|> >other than collectability.  The silverfaced amps go for a bit less.
|> >
|> >Len Moskowitz
|> >moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com
|> >
|> Yeah I saw a black face Fender Bandmaster with a sold sign over the
|> price tag. So I looked under the 'sold' sign and just about had a
|> cow man!!!! $700.00 No lie!! The thing was real clean and looked 
|> almost new, but $700 is a bit steep for my back pocket. I remember
|> bying one ot these things in the late 60's (showing my age here)
|> for $125.00 and that seem like a lot at the time.
|> 
|> And a a flame about collectability of these things. Well they are not
|> fine art, it is just a 'fair' guitar amp. I don't understand the craze
|> these days that everything is a colectable item. From baseball cards
|> to airplanes it drives me carzy. I meen I saw a Gibson Melody Maker
|> ($100 guitar in 1975) on sale in a store in San Jose for $600.00!!! CRAZY!

I agree. I hear about vintage synths. I guess the sand for the silicon
was better quality years ago... :-)

-Jaz
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Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:5617 alt.guitar:2300
From: sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu (Mark J. Sarisky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Pro Reverb and  the Vintage SCAM
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:52:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr13.200949.9738@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew) writes:
>> And a a flame about collectability of these things. Well they are not
>> fine art, it is just a 'fair' guitar amp. I don't understand the craze
>> these days that everything is a colectable item. From baseball cards
>> to airplanes it drives me carzy. I meen I saw a Gibson Melody Maker
>> ($100 guitar in 1975) on sale in a store in San Jose for $600.00!!! CRAZY!
>> 
>> FLAME OFF:
>> 
>> See ya'
>> Earl Norwood
>> 
>> 
>
>This whole vintage thing is a scam! The vintage guitars are no better than
>new, matter of fact most are just worn out pieces of shit. The real problem
>is " If I get a Jimi guitar and a Van Halen amp-- Shit man Ill be the next
>JIMI VAN HALEN! Well it dont work that way. These old guitars are just wood
>with wire stretched over the top. And most vintage amps need a couple hundred
>bucks worth of work within a month after you buy them. 
 -->stuff deleted<--

Ok.  Now this what I like to hear!  Just remember, in spite of the Blue Books
that would like you to think differently, a item is only worth what someone
will PAY for it.  My 1959 Champ is worth whatever I can sell it for.  Period.
Now, if everyone would pay $500 for a 1959 Champ, then I could tell you it was
woth that much.  But since many of you would only give me $50, how can I get
off telling you it's worth 10 times that?  

The point is, if people keep paying outrageous prices for vintage gear, people
will keep asking outrageous prices when they try and sell said gear.  Shoot, 
pretty soon a '75 three bolt Strat is going to cost more than $500, in spite
of the fact that the damn neck isn't set strong enough to withstand any kind of
energetic playing.

Please, forgive me.  Go down to your local 'vintage' store and tell them that
you won't stand for this outrageous price trend.  Offer them $50 for a '62
Strat and laugh your way home with the look of the salesman in your minds eye!

Mark
sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu
 


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Subject: Re: Pro Reverb and  the Vintage SCAM
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Keywords:
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Benny the Bump)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Analog/Digital Associates Flanger
Keywords: Huh?
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:01:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

Its a weird stomp box, and I have no idea what vintage.  I saw one at a
used music store the other day, and it turned an otherwise normal Les Paul
into a prison for tortured cats.  Needless to say I have to have one.  
Unfortunately, there was only one in the store, and the guy who was playing
it was buying it.  Make no mistake, this is no ordinary flanger, but something
that makes completely unique sounds that are unavailable from other boxes.

What is it:  Ananlog/Digital Associates Voltage Controlled Flanger.
	The company used to be in Berkeley California, but they are
	probably long gone.

How much:  I'm willing to pay a fair price for one of these.  The one 
	I saw was going for $45.  If you have one I'm willing to pay at
	least that much.

If you have one, or any information about either the company or the product,
drop me a line, e-mail archer@sgi.com

Fangs bunches,

Archer Sully <archer@sgi.com>           "Remember, we can't have utopia 
                                        until we've destroyed all poodles!"
                                                -- Vigilante Rocker
From: lmp@eb5ts3.EBay.Sun.COM (John Connelly)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: BASS EQUIPMENT FOR SALE
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:26:31 GMT
Reply-To: lmp@eb5ts3.EBay.Sun.COM (John Connelly)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts3.ebay.sun.com


 
FENDER Fretless Jazz Bass Special cherry red  $250

GALLIEN-KRUEGER 400RB Bass Amp (200W) $350

BULLFROG Bass Cabinet w/ 18" EV driver $150

or take all three plus cords, straps, hardshell case for $650

email john.connelly@EBay.Sun.COM
or phone (408) 926-9264 after 5pm
or page (408)994-5581 anytime
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:5450 alt.guitar:1867
From: ibanez@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: alt.bass is here!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:13:06 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr1.222439.24311@col.hp.com>, friedman@col.hp.com (John Friedman) writes:
>>> alt.bass is now a newsgroup!  It was started 3/31/91, so it may take some
>>> time to get to your site, so be patient.
> 
> brance@music.Kodak.COM (Michael Branciforte) writes:
>> I'm glad, but where is here?
> 
> USENE.  It got started at my site.  It depends on your site's policy as
> to when and if you will get it.  Some people have reported that their
> sites are getting it.  Ask you local sys admin, if you don't see it in a
> few days.  Do you get other alt.* groups?  Many sites do not...  :-(
> 
> John Friedman
> friedman@col.hp.com


Glad to hear it! One question - what does the alt. stand for? Alternative?
Does that mean we have to discuss Les Claypool but not jaco? Just kiddin.

Anyway, this is a great addition to the Bottom Line digest. NEWS is alot
faster for getting info. I'll check it out today.

Jamie - SLAP THAT BASS - DON"T LET A GOOD THUMB GO TO WASTE!
From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Pro Reverb and  the Vintage SCAM
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:09:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Apr13.200949.9738
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Subject: Re: Fender Pro Reverb Amp
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Distribution: usa
Summary: Vintage scam!

In article <1992Apr13.163312.27357@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, enorwood@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Earl Norwood) writes:
> 
> And a a flame about collectability of these things. Well they are not
> fine art, it is just a 'fair' guitar amp. I don't understand the craze
> these days that everything is a colectable item. From baseball cards
> to airplanes it drives me carzy. I meen I saw a Gibson Melody Maker
> ($100 guitar in 1975) on sale in a store in San Jose for $600.00!!! CRAZY!
> 
> FLAME OFF:
> 
> See ya'
> Earl Norwood
> 
> 

This whole vintage thing is a scam! The vintage guitars are no better than
new, matter of fact most are just worn out pieces of shit. The real problem
is " If I get a Jimi guitar and a Van Halen amp-- Shit man Ill be the next
JIMI VAN HALEN! Well it dont work that way. These old guitars are just wood
with wire stretched over the top. And most vintage amps need a couple hundred
bucks worth of work within a month after you buy them. Usually new tubes, new
electrolytic caps, new resistor that have turned to dust from 30 years of heat.
The speakers are, or about to blow. The first thing we do is turn the volume
to 11 to see if we can sound like Clapton from Disrealli Gears.

The thing that pisses me off is that very few musician can afford these guitars
 or these amps. Just because a "gentleman" from Japan wants to hang this guitar
that he was told belong to Buddy Holly next to his grandfathers Samari sword.

I was looking for a older 335. To get a nice one it would cost more than a new
one. The biggest Kick in the ASS was this music shop were I have spent ALOT
of money. Told me they have some older guitars and amps, but I would have to
make an a appointment with their "vintage representitive" in order to view them!

Hey this thread is bad for my bloodpressure

Steve 
Doin That Blues ThAng- with a new ES335
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,su.market,ba.market.misc
From: meehan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steven Meehan)
Subject: FOR SALE: Ibanez RP200 "Rock 'n' Play"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:45:11 GMT

FOR SALE:

Ibanez "Rock 'n' Play" RP200 (for guitar)
	- excellent condition
	- hardly used
	- slow cassetes to half speed for learning licks
	- $70 (plus shipping)




Call or Email Steve at home (415)941-2019
                    or work (408)522-2857
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: georg@sgl (Georg Feil)
Subject: Re: ... MUSENET '92 update ...
Organization: Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:40:22 GMT

latta@con.Berkeley.EDU (Craig R. Latta) writes:
>	Five minutes maximum from each submitter, no other requirement.

I don't like this at all. I know it's in the interest of fairness, but
the thought of listening to 3 CDs worth of under-5-minute snippets 
gives me hives. I think maybe a goal of 5 minutes on *average* from each
submitter is more realistic. That way you can vary the lengths of the
pieces in the compilation.

Besides, the piece I want to submit is about 8 minutes long :-(

Seriously, I think that sooner or later the person in charge of the compilation
has to assume the duties of an editor. Rejecting music just because it
exceeds an arbitrary time limit, just so everyone who sends something in
can get on the tape, will decrease quality. I'd much rather send in my music
and have it not get on the tape because somebody (anybody) thought there were
40 selections better that it.

Georg.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: dcovell@hfglobe.intel.com (David Covell)
Subject: MIDI merging
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:44:26 GMT


I need to merge my EPS' MIDI Out and Thru and would like to know what my
options are. I know Anatek has a Pocket Merge that I assume can be had for
<$100, but are there other choices in this price range? It would be nice to
be able to merge more than 2 lines, but that would probably require a CPU
or lots of glue logic (more $ ).
Is the Anatek reliable, and how often are there data errors? Its low price
and lack of external power indicate a relative lack of logic inside, and I
would thus expect some occasional contention. I can live with that as long
as it's not too frequent.
If this device is reliable, where can I get the best price on it?

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INTEL FOLSOM (California)              |Midi guitars, basses, synths, CAD tools
DESIGN ENGINEERING, EPG GROUP          |and assorted other techno-beasties
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: mills+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Mills)
Subject: portland guitar shops (again)?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 07:35:57 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


i'm really sorry to have missed the recent postings about this...

i'm going to be in portland (oregon) next week and i wanted to check out
used/old/vintage shops; please don't waste bandwidth reposting all that
stuff, but if any kind soul kept all/some of the replies would you mail 
them to me?  much obliged...
							thanks,
								mdm

-- 
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 dept.of.computer.science       stevie ray vaughan: they're wood.
carnegie.mellon.university
   pittsburgh.pa.15213
From: nigelc@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Nigel Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Soprano Sax Recommendation Needed
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:18:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpwin052.100710017
Organization: HP Response Centre, Berkshire, England.


Hi,

I'm looking to buy a Soprano Sax and would like some recommendations.
What I'm looking for is a model that offers good value for money.
I'm not looking for a the best, just a "quality" first instrument that plays
well.


Thanks in Advance,

Nigel. 



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From: gwatts@hpcvia.CV.HP.COM (gary_watts)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 14:48:02 PST
Subject: Klipsch PA Cabinets For Sale!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers


Klipsch KP-301 front end cabs.  I owned a retail music store
for the last 3 years and since returned to the womb of Hewlett-
Packard.  These cabs are one of the last remaining pieces of
merchandise I have left.  If you haven't looked at Klipsch lately
they're amazing.  Their cabinets are NOT horn loaded on the bottom 
end any more!  These are their largest self-contained cabinets.
From these you move up to the KP-600 flying system.  

	*9 ply birch plywood cabinet with Texture-lac finish.
	*250W continuous power handling
	*built in passive crossover
	*Neutric locking connectors.
	*35-19K +/-3db
	*resonsible size and weight(I don't have those
		numbers right in front of me)
	*Front loaded with Port for the bottom end
	*3 way design with 15" cast frame driver,horn mid and 
	 horn highs.

	*Full metal grills with heavy cloth cover     

	*Retail is $1600.00 /pr
	 Your price $795.00 /pr.  

	These are new speakers with a full factory warranty.
	The sound is very good particularily when compared
	to similiar models in EV and JBL.  You have to get to
	the Concert JBL's to exceed these in terms of punch
	and smoothness. The horn mid is easily as smooth
	as a standard cone driver for vocals. These sound great!

Please E-mail or call (503)750-3130 if interested.  

Gary Watts
Hewlett-Packard
Corvallis, OR 


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: Leslie speaker construction
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton OR & Milpitas CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:57:54 GMT

In article <4302@gold.gvg.tek.com> chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen) writes:
>
>Leslie story: 
>
>I also did a show with Stephen Stills and the keyboard player,  I think it 
>was Mike Finnigan, had a "hot rodded" Leslie tone cabinet.  The thing
>had a 200 watt amp for the low end and I don't know what for the high
>end.  It had JBL drivers for low and high end.....
>

	Yeah; native Leslies are poor in high-volume situations.  The
	amp in a 145/147 is a 40-watt tube job.  The standard practice
	was to mike them real hot and re-amplify the sound through Fender
	Twin Reverbs or Showmans.  Had to mike them only with one mike
	for the high rotor and one for the low rotor or you'd lose the
	effect...
	
	The alternative technique was to preamplify the signal going
	into the Leslie with a Bandmaster or Bassman head.  Gave you
	some tone control, too.

	The Sons of Champlin used to tour with four Leslies for the
	organ, a stack of two at each side of the stage.  Fucking
	great sound.
-- 

    Larry Huntley / Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton  OR
    Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and/Fire and Chains and...
                      [Stop Continental Drift!]
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