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From: tfpayn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Air Traffic Controller Sims
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:57:24 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

--I yanked a prog called ATF from wuarchive once....It's Air Traffic
Controller...with 20 levels of difficulty..FANTASTIC!

What I'm wanting to know, is this TRACON a similar thing?  I remember there
being an air traffic controller game out a long time ago, though I haven't seen
it since...are these two synonomous??

HELP!!!! 


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From: 2559johnsonr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
Subject: Shuttle
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:37:18 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2559johnsonr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

Anybody know if there are extra mission disks in the works for shuttle?
I have gone through all the missions, and would like to do more.

Thanks in advance,
Rob Johnson
2559johnsonr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: masten@beta.lanl.gov (David A. Masten)
Subject: Re: Yeager's Combat Sim.
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:07:15 GMT

In article <102578@bu.edu> banzaii@acs.bu.edu (Adam Shelly) writes:
>
>
> You are talking about Birds of Prey.  It has 40 aircraft, about 12 are 
>Soviet.  There are 12 mission types, from combat to recon to supply drop.
>It is a fun game, but I have two problems with it:
>
>The planes all seem to behave the same.  The only real difference in 
>the flight models seems to be top speed.
 
I don't agree.  Certainly the big planes (747, B2, B52...) have slower
roll rates and lower G capabilities.  Also the fuel consumption on each
planes is different and matches what is in the manual.  Swing wings
clearly affect both lift and drag.  I think I've found planes like the
Mig29 and F16 more maneuverable than other fighters.  this is actually a
big problem as the game has VERY sensitive joystick response.  So I
usually overstress the nimble fighters and black out (very annoyingly
implemented as you get no real warning).  The harrier has VSTOL
capability.  I've heard that the Tornado bleeds energy more quickly in
hi-G turns.  Acceleration is palne dependent.

For the most part, I think the flight models are pretty good and varied.
Problems are:
(1) the aforementioned joystick response, and
(2) it's moot as dogfighting ACM is nil, you just use standoff missiles!

Dave Masten
>Also, my version locks up in the middle of missions.  I think it has 
>to do with using external views, but it is really annoying.  

I have the same problem.

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators,comp.sys.sgi
From: marc@mercutio.ultra.com (Marc Kwiatkowski {Host Software-AIX})
Subject: SGI's Flight Simulator
Followup-To: rec.aviation.simulators
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:02:08 GMT


I have been monitoring this group (rec.aviation.simulators) for several
months and have seen no discussion of SGI's flight simulator.  I would
like to discuss it if there is interest.  For those that have 
had experience with it, I'd like to hear your replies to the following:

How does it compare with other popular flight simulators (please
specify which version you are comparing) both for graphics and
for flight simulation?

How does it compare with real flight?  The most common comment I have
heard is that it is much easier to land a real plane than to land
the simulator, however, I imagine that is true of the vast majority
of low-end simulators.  Specifically, in what ways is it better/worse
at approximating real flight than other simulators?

For any readers who are familiar with the flight simulator internals
is there any good documentation for the CLOVER2 plane and scenery models?

Note follow-up.

Thanks






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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.simulators
From: hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER))
Subject: Yeagers' Air Combat
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:15 EST  

I've got Air Combat and find it to be a very good game.  The screen
update rate makes for very smooth action, I'm using a 33mhz 386 machine.
The ability to design your own mission is great.  Flying mig 15's against
WW2  aircraft is quite entertaining for a while.  I've got both this
and the Aces of The Pacific, in my opinion Air Combat is a superior
simulation.

Casey Hanlon 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: kmcnabb@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Keith McNabb)
Subject: Handheld Scanner Wanted
Organization: A. C. Nielsen Co., Bannockburn, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:35:03 GMT

I'm in the market for an handheld aviation band scanner.  I'll probably
order one through Sporty's, but I'd consider a used one in very good
condition.

Keith McNabb
kmcnabb@nis.naitc.com
From: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: STOLEN PLANE: N2FN
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS
Reply-To: guy.byars@feguy.infoserv.com (Guy Byars) 


  Sometime around November 12-15 a Cessna 172RG was stolen from
Blue Ash Airport near Cincinnati OH.  The aircraft was blue/white
with the N number: N2FN.  It belongs to the Flying Neutrons flying
club (hence the FN "N" number.)  If you have any info on this aircraft,
please contact the authorities (the FBI is involved I think).  A 2nd
aircraft, I believe also a 172, is also missing believed stolen, from
Blue Ash at the same time.

  I would be nice to have an electronic listing available of aircraft
which have been reported stolen.  Maybe some day...

                                Guy Byars
From: edward.march@bville.gts.org (Edward March) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: RE: WEATHERMATION INFO
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:36:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Baudeville BBS - Toronto, Canada 416-283-0114 2200+ conferences
Reply-To: edward.march@bville.gts.org (Edward March) 

-> Available via X.25, costs $0.70 per minute (roughly).  I wish we had
-> a freebie program like the US.

Oh well....

Thanks for the information.
                                                                                                            
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Handheld Scanner Wanted
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 00:05:24 GMT

al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) writes:

>$145 seems fair for the whole setup.

You'll be lucky to get $50 for it... don't mean to be rude, but I can
get a BC 200XLT for about $200, and a 100 XLT for about $175 (why even sell
the 100 XLT?)
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From: kamikaze@wargamer.EBay.Sun.COM (Ron Plunk)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Civil Air Patrol/CAP thoughts
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:08:20 GMT
Reply-To: kamikaze@wargamer.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wargamer.ebay.sun.com




In article 1edd3pINNkgh@freedom.genrad.com, dls@freedom.genrad.com (Diana L. Carlson) writes:
>
>CAP is aligned closely with the USAF.  Most of the funding is direct from the
>USAF, and CAP is in fact an auxiliary of the USAF.  However, there is no 
>requirement to wear the USAF uniform.  There are a few other acceptable
>uniforms for those who cannot or don't want to wear the USAF style uniform.
>In general, even when wearing the USAF style uniform, there are no 
>"inspections" but you ARE expected to maintain proper wearing of the uniform,
>IF YOU WEAR IT.  That means no hair below the collar for women (put your hair
>up), no hair below the top of the collar for men (see above), be within the
>weight requirements for the uniform (the weight requirements are NOT as strict
>as USAF weight requirements, but they are absolute), wear the uniform in neat
>and appropriate manner, with all patches and rank and ribbons in their proper
>place, shoes polished (but not spit polished like in USAF), etc.  If you don't
>want to conform to these expectations, DON'T WEAR the USAF style uniform,
>wear a different CAP uniform.
>


Since it wasn't mentioned, are there any restrictions for (now let's be PC) male facial hair?



Ron Plunk

Customer Training Instructor
Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
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From: mpaton@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Michael J Paton)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Public perception of general aviation
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:36:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Nov5.183610.9813
Reply-To: mpaton@tempest.UUCP (Michael J Paton)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

In article <JKF.92Nov4183643@frisky.Franz.COM> jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro) writes:
> I think that the most effective way to popularize GA would be to have
>characters in a popular television show make use of GA. (i.e. Bring back 
>Sky King.)  It would be hard for television to provide an accurate picture
>of GA but if it could, then this would be the easiest way to educate 
>millions and millions of people.

Sounds like a good idea. I have seen reruns of Sky King in recent years.
I'd also like to see reruns of Whirlybirds. I think that was its name.
First time I ever saw helicopters or baseball caps.

Anyone else remember this one?

Michael Paton
mpaton@tempest.sps.mot.com
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Departing AVX
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:52:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

If I go to AVX it is usually to take some friends to lunch - and on the 
way out they usually want to see the town of Avalon anyway.  Heading
south to Avalon and then heading back home from there usually gives me
an opportunity to gain a few more minutes of gliding time.
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Winter Pasture Care
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:46:48 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov17.220836.5144@synapse.bms.com>, detoro@synapse.bms.com (Dave Detoro) writes:
> Last spring we planted about two acres of pasture for our horse and pony.  
> It came in pretty well but it didnt seem to get real thick.  By the end 
> of the summer we had to supplement their feeding with hay.  Just about 
> 2 weeks ago we took them off of the pasture.  I assumed we would keep 
> them off until the spring figuring this would help the pasture come in 
> better next year.  However someone just told me we might as well let 
> them stay on it all winter that it wont make any difference.  If this 

From my experience and what I have been told this is unequivicably (sp-is that
even a word?) wrong.  However, if this is the only pasture you have, you may
want to leave them on there anyway.  Snow won't matter as much as wet weather
which will turn the pasture into a mudball.

> is true we would rather since it will give them more room to romp and 
> at least some grass to nibble on.  

I wouldn't think there would be any grass by spring with 1 horse/acre, but I
WAS wrong once :-).  Two acres is awful small to do this, but you might think
about splitting it up and moving them back and forth.  Again, two acres may not
be enough land, but it may help.  The pasture needs the manure from the horses
for fertilizer, but it also needs time to recover without grazing.

Alan
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:36:30 -0500 
From: Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pigeon Toed Sweetness

I was just wondering if anyone else had a horse that had been pigeon toed.
We knew she was when we got her and she vet checked fine and the vet also
said this would not cause her to lame up or have problems with her legs.
Thanks.

Jean, Missi (daughter), and Strawberry Pai (our sweetness horse)
From: letom@quesadilla.engr.ucdavis.edu (Tom)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: to shoe ot not to shoe
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:11:36 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis


	Hi!  Have only just discovered rec.equestrian in the past week so I 
apologize in advance for any sloppiness that may be noted.  I wanted to respond
to this article as it struck a chord with me.

>we ride on concrete or asphalt to get between the areas above.  My friend who
>owns the horse doesn't shoe her horses unless she starts to see problems or
>anticipates problems.

	If you are working your horse at all it is a good idea to shoe your
horse.  Horses left to pasture do all right w/o shoes unless they have had a
history of continous shoeing throughout their life, then problems may arise
as the feet are "conditioned" to having shoes.  I cringe at the thought of 
waiting to "see problems" before shoeing - best not to let a problem develop
in the first place.  With horses it is a good idea to cover all the bases as
they are magnets for injury.


>your feet have toughened up and you can walk normally.  Is this true for
>horses?

	To this I would say yes and no.  There are too many factors involved -
feeding, terrain, weather, use, and genetics to name a few.

>What are the guidelines for shoeing (when do you need them)?

	About every 6-7 weeks is a good guideline.  Again this is dependant
upon the particular individual horse.  Make sure you use a farrier whose work
you have seen and who comes highly recommended if at all possible, sometimes
they can cause as many problems as they solve.

=)

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Kit Struthers (letom@fajita.ucdavis.edu)

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale)
Subject: Re: White Spots from Injurys?
Summary: Or black?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:29:24 GMT

In article <lg7tncINN51r@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard) writes:
>
>My cousin used to have a chestnut American Saddlebred mare named
>Bumblebee.  The reason: this mare got into a bee's nest of some sort
>when she was very young.  The hair over the bee stings came back
>white - sort of like a leopard appaloosa in reverse.  Yes, the hair
>over an injury can come back white, if the injury is bad enough,
>and if the horse is predisposed to such.  My cousing had this mare
>for several years, and the white spots didn't go away.
>
>-Michelle
>-Maggie (chestnut ASB, no spots)
>-Cassie (her daughter *begin brag* who might just go to
>shows next year in both English *and* Western,
>because she is so smart *end brag*)
>
The spots can also be black :-) - Spring is white except for a
smattering of roan spots in the summer - she has a black patch
on her leg which grew over a wound caused by a kick leaving a deep scrape.

Ruth
.


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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TEMPLIN GERI ELLEN)
Subject: Re: Horse breakdown potential
Keywords: Fiat
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:16:45 GMT


      Ok, ok, I couldn't help but bite on this one... I have a 74 Fiat
      and neither my Fiat nor my horse has been as much trouble as 
      advertised. The trick with both is to have a fair amount of info
      before you get involved so you know what to expect. Sure they
      both take some fiddling but the satisfaction is WELL worth any
      sort of hassles.

      But seriously, Tony - you probably won't find anyone here
      saying not to get horses because they're alot of work. Just do
      your homework first. They're alot more of a commitment than a
      dog or Turbo the cat, but **I** certainly think they're worth
      it. 

	geri and Belle - light of my life
        (and - the mighty Fiat 150,000 miles and still cookin')
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington)
Subject: Re: Anyone Know This Song?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Tennessee stud
Organization: 1st Kentucky Cavalry Co. C
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:56 EST  

In article <1992Nov23.173252.22330@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy) writes...
> 
> 
>An old song popped into my head this morning, and again I
>was frustrated that I have forgotten the words.  Then I 
>thought, maybe rec.equestrian can help me out!
> 
>The song is a Country and Western type and includes some
>great guitar picking.  The name is "Tennessee Stud".  Does
>anyone know all the words to this song and can you direct me
>to an album that includes the song?
> 
>I do remember the verse went like this:
>   
>   The Tennessee stud was long and lean,
>   Color of the sun and his eyes were green.
>   He had nerve and he had blood,
>   And there's never been a horse like the Tennessee stud.
> 
>Great song!
> 
>Thanks,
> 
>Janet Levy
>jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM

Hank Williams. Jr. did this song on an album called High Pressure or Under 
Pressure or maybe The Pressure is On or something like that.  Its a 
favorite tune of mine.

E. Allen Arrington  
        Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
        Mounted Memorial Unit                 
and Mason (sid eyed QH)
From: betty@mothra.rose.hp.com (Betty Harker)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:46:31 GMT
Subject: Re: A Question...
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Megan,  

I used to have a horse that listened to the announcer.  I want my horse to
listen to me not the announcer.  This can cause you problems when you get a 
judge who asks for gaits "out of order" (walk, lope, jog) or asks for 
additional gaits (extended walk or trot).  The announcer may be calling for the
next class not a gait change.  It can get really complicated when there are 
several arenas going at the same time.  

To break this habit, I would go to some schooling shows and make your horse 
wait for your cue.  Make sure that you don't interfere with someone who is
trying to show for a prize.  I usually pull to the inside to stay out of 
the way.  I may even walk an entire class if my horse is getting upset about
about not being able to go with the announcer (heck - sometimes I'll walk
several classes).   My first show horse was really bad about listening to the
announcer.  It took me quite a few schooling shows to break her of it.  Then 
I usually had to go to a few "refresher" shows.  I eventually broke her of it
completely.  

When I show, I RARELY go right with the announcer.  I count to 10 and then ask
for the transition.  The only time that I don't do this is if I am in a bad 
position and need to make my transition earlier or if I know a judge will 
penalize me severely for not changing gait immediately.  I've found that 
most of the time, I can wait.  I have not had any problems with my current
horse listening to the announcer.  

Good luck,

Betty Harker
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TEMPLIN GERI ELLEN)
Subject: Re: XC Schooling Safety Question
Keywords: xc schooling
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:40:36 GMT


    Cross country fences are supposed to be SOLID. I don't know about the
    pro's and con's of teaching a horse to jump solid things when they can
    be knocked down but two things pop to mind immediately:

    1) It's VERY DANGEROUS to have fences coming apart when a horse is
       travelling at a good clip

    2) Knocking the thing down a few times didn't seem to teach her horse
       anything so her answer to you that the fence was solid was kind of
       foolish.

    sounds like she needs a trainer.

    just my 2

    geri
From: ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Need some advice
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:03:55 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Strawberry, who will be 5 in May, makes it virtually impossible for
us to try to clean her when she gets a cut.  This is her second one and
it looks as if it was a sharp branch that got her on the flank.  Even 
with five of us trying to hold her and calm her, she will plow right 
through us.  We have been using a lip chain and she does stand still
with this on.  Isn't there any other options?  Do you think she might
outgrow this?  She is usually such a sweetheart.  Also, she has these
white dry skin bumps all over her.  You can peel them off and the hair
is still there.  Does anyone know what causes this.  I think she has
the same things in her ears, though we're slowly working our way to
this other unfavored spot.  She hates her ears to be touched.  Sometimes
she can just make us so crazy.  Thanks for any help.

Jean and Missi