HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: taka@fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (Takahiro Kanbe)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: One more problem INN 1.0 with MMAP.
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:17:28 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Fuji Xerox Information Systems Co., Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
NNTP-Posting-Host: litra.nwt.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp

I found a problem of INN 1.0 when compiled with;

ACT_STYLE		MMAP

Yes, using MMAP to access active.

In line 170 of innd/ng.c:

    active = ICDreadactive();
    for (p = active, i = 0; (p = strchr(p, '\n')) != NULL; p++, i++)
	continue;
    nGroups = i;

First open and read entire active file in ICDreadactive(), and count
newline for getting number of groups.

This for-loop assumes return value of ICDreadactive() is a large C's
string which end with NUL('\0') character.  This means that the size
of memory area returned from ICDreadactive() is the size of active
file plus 1 byte for NULL character.  This is true when compiled
without MMAP.

When compiled with MMAP, ICDreadactive() MMAPs active file.  In this
case, the size of memory area returned from ICDreadactive() is the
same as the size of active file.  And there is no guarantee this
return value is end with NUL character.

So, the for-loop may access invalid memory area (and innd core dumps).

And this is my ad hoc fix, there may be better solution. :-)

--
Takahiro Kanbe <taka@fxis.fujixerox.co.jp>	FXIS / Network Team.

diff -c innd/icd.c.~3~ innd/icd.c
*** icd.c.~3~	Thu Aug 20 22:20:26 1992
--- icd.c	Mon Aug 31 22:54:04 1992
***************
*** 364,366 ****
--- 364,372 ----
      }
  #endif	/* defined(ACT_MMAP) */
  }
+ 
+ int
+ ICDsizeactive()
+ {
+   return ICDactsize;
+ }
diff -c innd/ng.c.~1~ innd/ng.c
*** ng.c.~1~	Wed Aug  5 04:13:42 1992
--- ng.c	Mon Aug 31 22:54:20 1992
***************
*** 168,175 ****
  
      /* Get active file and space for group entries. */
      active = ICDreadactive();
!     for (p = active, i = 0; (p = strchr(p, '\n')) != NULL; p++, i++)
  	continue;
      nGroups = i;
      Groups = NEW(NEWSGROUP, nGroups);
      GroupPointers = NEW(NEWSGROUP*, nGroups);
--- 168,181 ----
  
      /* Get active file and space for group entries. */
      active = ICDreadactive();
!     {
!       int n;
! 
!       n = ICDsizeactive();
!       for (p = active, i = 0; i < n && (p = strchr(p, '\n')) != NULL; p++, i++)
  	continue;
+     }
+ 
      nGroups = i;
      Groups = NEW(NEWSGROUP, nGroups);
      GroupPointers = NEW(NEWSGROUP*, nGroups);
From: simpsong@dns0.bham.ac.uk (Glyn Simpson)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Injecting articles through NNTP Inews with C-news
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:32:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

David Law (davidl@Newbridge.COM) wrote:
> We're running c-news with NNTP V1.5.11. I've been trying to set up a mail alias to inject articles through the
> nntp inews but with no success. When we were running b-news without nntp the following would suffice:
> 
> somealiase:"| inews -h -n newsgroup" (note full paths were used)
> 
> When I tried this with our current setup, my mailer complained "...unknown mailer error...".
> 
> This is running on a Sparc server running SunOS 4.1.1 (sendmail 5.65).
>
Can give help myslef, as I've got the same problem. I'm trying to use the
nntpmail stuff in the contrib directory. getting stuff from a group to a 
maillist is easy, the other way is the problem.

Whilst i am at it, are there any places where i could, for example, mail
a group via mail, eg:  mail  misc.test@somesite ?? a legitamate gateway	
would be nice..

--
Glyn Simpson, Systems Officer,  //  Voice: +44 (0) 21 414 6575
University of Birmingham        //  Fax:   +44 (0) 21 414 3952
Email: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk     //  NIC Handle: GS56
Xref: sparky news.software.nntp:1073 news.software.b:2849
From: n8743196@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Jeff Wandling)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: status of NNTP 1.6 server-code
Summary: What is the latest?
Keywords: nntp 1.6 server
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:47:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep3.054720.10628
Distribution: news
Organization: Howling Dog

News expires quick here.  If this was discussed shortly before, excuse me.

Have the folks working on NNTP 1.6 completed the server code?  Are there
any <insert-greek-letter>-releases available?

Thanks very much,

-- 
	Jeff Wandling <jdw@geol.wwu.edu>
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: aistmain@vntic.msk.su (Dispatcher of AIST-EuroAIST-RELCOM Boris I. Tarakanov)
Subject: NEW CIPHER-SYSTEM
Summary: NEW CIPHER-SYSTEM
Keywords: NEW CIPHER-SYSTEM
Reply-To: aistmain@vntic.msk.su
Organization: AIST-VNTIC INFORMATION NETWORK
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:23:02 +0300

              New cipher-system

 1. When the original information is euciphered every bit is
    treaded and redundancy of this information is absent
 2. The amount of variants of eucipher may be so much great,
    for example n=10**91
 3. The quantity of encipher operations for 1 bit are <=22,
    but decipher operations are <= 9 for case n=10**91
 4. Ecodered file is deciphered in turn bit from the end  of
    the text.

    This new cipher-system may be  used  for  protection  of
    information  from   unauthorized  access  and  for  data
    communications by communication chanels.

    Relation by electronic mail.



Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: pascoe@rocky.gte.com (Dave Pascoe)
Subject: INN performance on SPARC-2?
Organization: GTE/SCSD - Needham Heights, MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:05:44 GMT

Now that INN has hit the street and people have had a little time to play with
it I'd like to get a few opinions on its performance.

I have tentative plans to set it up on a Sun SPARC-2 which will have 64MB of
memory (currently has only 16 MB).  The feed is via NNTP (over a T-1 link)
and will be passing a full news feed.

There is typically one user running X11 during the day and 3 or 4 fairly 
inactive users.  I'm curious whether there will be much performance 
degradation to the X11 user.

--
Dave Pascoe			|  Amateur Radio:  KM3T
Internet: pascoe@rocky.gte.com	|  Packet Radio: km3t @ w2xo.pa
GTE/SCSD - Needham Heights, MA	|  (617) 455-5704
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mike Hoffmann)
Subject: [generic] INN performance [not just] on SPARC-2?
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG, AP 712
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:58:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.020544.29933@europa.asd.contel.com> pascoe@rocky.gte.com (Dave Pascoe) writes:
>There is typically one user running X11 during the day and 3 or 4 fairly 
>inactive users.  I'm curious whether there will be much performance 
>degradation to the X11 user.

Please post any performance results and recommendations. We will be facing
a similar situation soon. Only our machine will be a 32MB SGI Crimson w/
1.4GB Disk. It will also be a central mail-server. Number of users is
several hundred with a few dozen connected via NNTP remote news-readers at
any time.

The machine will receive a full feed via NNTP, will run mthreads for trn
(XTHREADS extension) and (as mentioned) run IDA/sendmail with address-
rewriting etc.

Software development by on or two users will also take place, though not on too
heavy a scale.

Hints welcome!
Mike
-- 
Mike Hoffmann, Siemens-Nixdorf AG, SNI AP 712  
INTERNET: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de
"Bosnia has no oil [as opposed to Kuwait]." (unknown citizen of Sarajevo)
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: INN errors: setsockopt on non socket
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:02:11 GMT
Reply-To: rsalz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: INN support

In <180fciINNoo3@ustores.ustores.missouri.edu> usbill@ustores.ustores.missouri.edu (Bill Canning) writes:
>INN seems to be working fine, except that my log files are being filled with
>lines such as:
>Sep  1 00:03:03 ustores unix: Sep  1 00:03:03 innd: localhost:15 cant setsockopt(SNDBUF) Protocol error
innd is trying to set big send/receive buffers on the TCP socket for
incoming NNTP connections.  It's doing the following:
    i = 24 * 1024;
    if (setsockopt(fd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_SNDBUF, (char *)&i, sizeof i) < 0)
	syslog(L_ERROR, "%s cant setsockopt(SNDBUF) %m", CHANname(cp));
Perhaps your system pretends to support something that it really doesn't?
You will have to rummage through your manpages.  At any rate, the error
is benign.

>Sep  1 00:05:05 ustores unix: Sep  1 00:05:05 innd: ME cant nonblock 15 Socket operation on non-socket
Look through your syslog to see where innd opens descriptor 15.

>Does anyone have any ideas?!
Do you have the right fcntl, etc., parameters set?  The LOCK_xxx config param.

PS:  Your article had "Distribution: world".  That is wrong, so I removed it.
To get "Distribution: world" do not put a Distribution header in your article.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Subject: Use channel of file for inn??
Organization: COMSAT Labs
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:30:37 GMT

I am a new news site.  I have 1 feed using nntp.  I am using inn-1.1.
What should I use for newsfeeds?  Should I use file/nntpsend?  inn-1.1
talks about channel type, but never really explains it.  The only
example refers to "/usr/lib/news/bin/xmit-nic.near.net"  Is this a
fictitious program?

I am using file/nntpsend right now, to send batches to my upstream
feed.  This is working OK, but should I be using channel to keep an
open connection all the time?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Date line in C-News May 2 Perf Release
From: cctr127@cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:56:31 GMT
Reply-To: j.haar@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
: 
: >And if that is a Bad Thing, could someone please give me the gory
: >details why???
: 
: Alphabetic time zone names don't work (the US military ones are specified
: incorrectly in RFC 822 and the rest are ill-defined and there is
: competition for the names) and news systems (notably C News) are getting
: less tolerant of non-GMT Date: headers.  One variant that we will
: probably continue to support is a signed numeric time zone.

That's precisely what I want to do here. The other NEWS server I am running 
uses +1200 as its timezone - that means more to people than NZDT :-) 

For sure, I personally think that UT and GMT are the _only_ valid alphabetic
timezones available...

Cheers

Jason Haar
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: Date line in C-News May 2 Perf Release
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:56:08 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <Btxr6z.JqJ@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> j.haar@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>Now from reading RFC1036, it suggests that it is best to transfer newsitems
>amongst sites with the Date line in GMT, but that they should be converted
>into local timezone format for local reading. As far as I can tell, Cnews is 
>just doing the GMT bit :-(

You are misinterpreting that passage of RFC-1036.  From my reading of
it, I understand it to mean that transport software (i.e., C News)
should always keep dates in GMT.  Newsreader software (i.e., trn, rn,
tin, nn, etc.) should then do an internal conversion from GMT to local
time when displaying the article.  Nothing says that the newsreader
can't display the information from the headers in whatever format it
wants when showing the article; however, there are very strong
sentiments against news transport agents munging with headers.

If you've used trn, you may have notices that trn can be configured to
do this.  By turning the "magic header" flag on for the Date: header,
dates are automatically converted to and displayed in local time.

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
From: jerry@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Jerry Aguirre)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: INN vs. C-News expire
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:16:00 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug27.172818.11646@osf.org> rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz) writes:
>INN's expire has an option to just write the names of articles to
>an external file so you can do this:
>	expire -z /safe/place/remove-me
>	sort </safe/place/remove-me | ( cd /usr/spool/news ; exec xargs rm )
>which is probably about as fast as you can get.\

The first big improvement in expire was to stop opening and parsing
each article on each expire run to see if it had an expires date.  That
happened about the same time that the dates got converted to numeric
form in the history file and the expires date was ~include in the
history file.  That was probably an order of magnitude improvement.

The second improvement was switching to DBZ.  Rebuilding a DBM file
from scratch was not fast.  Again that was nearly an order of magnitude
improvement.  Using DBZ maintained "incore" also helps.

The remaining overhead is copying the history file and unlinking the
files.  Given the overhead of an unlink there is little that can be
done about that until the OS improves.  Writing to a file and sorting
it helps.  I have measured about a 30% reduction by sorting the files
to be unlinked.  I use it mainly becaue my spool/news is NFS mounted.
Expire runs on the news server but the sort and unlink runs on the NFS
server.  Unlinking is particularly slow across NFS so running it on the
server is more efficient.  I wrote a little program that accepts a list
of files from stdin and unlinks them; more efficient than "xargs /bin/rm".

The remaining overhead, to copy, parse, and rewrite the history file
could probably be reduced but only by changing the structure news uses.
One could keep the history in multiple files such that one would only
need to read the ones to be deleted.  But only by giving up the ability
to expire different groups at different ages.

My expire takes about 20 min. for a history file of 28 Meg.  And that
is read/writing the history file across NFS/ethernet.  That much time
is not such a big deal that I worry about improving it.

				Jerry
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: C-news Performance Release
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:50:38 GMT


What does the "Performance Release" of C-news get you over the previous
releases?  Obviously, it sounds like better performance, but what parts
have been improved?


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
Office of Academic Computing         uucp:        ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias
Distributed Computing Support        phone:       (714) 856-6926
From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Date line in C-News May 2 Perf Release
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:56:44 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <Btyy87.5Aq@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>Alphabetic time zone names don't work (the US military ones are specified
>incorrectly in RFC 822 and the rest are ill-defined and there is
>competition for the names) and news systems (notably C News) are getting
>less tolerant of non-GMT Date: headers.  One variant that we will
>probably continue to support is a signed numeric time zone.

A nice variation that is being adopted by some mail agents is to
specify the timezone as a signed numeric timezone with the
alphabetic zone name given as a comment (ie in parens) afterwards. 
Here's an example of that:-
	Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 08:51:43 +0100 (BST)

Maybe something similar could be done for news - it gives the
"comfort" of a symbolic timezone (which many people can recognise),
and a machine readable unambiguous timezone offset.

	Nigel.

-- 
#    Nigel Metheringham  -- (NeXT) EMail: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk    #
#    System Administrator, Electronics Dept, University of York    #
#    York YO1 5DD. Phone: +44 904 432374, Fax: +44 904 432335      #
Xref: sparky news.software.nntp:1051 news.software.readers:1714
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.software.readers
Subject: NNTP connection refused - other sites ?
From: lawson@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:40:31 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas - Space Station Division, Huntington Beach CA
Nntp-Posting-User: lawson

The 2 U.S. NNTP server sites listed in the Internet Services List appear to be
no longer accepting NNTP connections (uwm.edu and sol.ctr.columbia.edu). :-(

Are there any alternative sites ?

Thanks,

-- 
Jim Lawson	                //-n-\\	    Lawson%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com
		        _____---=======---_____	        Lawson@mdcbbs.com 
These are my  	    ====____\   /.. ..\   /____====     Jimbo@qed.cts.com
opinons, not	  //         ---\__O__/---         \\
my companys !	  \_\                             /_/
From: davidl@Newbridge.COM (David Law)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Injecting articles through NNTP Inews with C-news
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:23:16 GMT
Organization: Newbridge Networks Corporation

We're running c-news with NNTP V1.5.11. I've been trying to set up a mail alias to inject articles through the
nntp inews but with no success. When we were running b-news without nntp the following would suffice:

somealiase:"| inews -h -n newsgroup" (note full paths were used)

When I tried this with our current setup, my mailer complained "...unknown mailer error...".

This is running on a Sparc server running SunOS 4.1.1 (sendmail 5.65).

Can someone help me out? Its probably something silly.

Thanks

-- 
David Law - Systems Administration      Internet: davidl@Newbridge.COM
Newbridge Networks Corp.                          postmaster@Newbridge.COM
PO Box 13600 600 March Road,            Tel: (613) 591-3600
Kanata Ontario, Canada K2K 2E6          Fax: (613) 591-3680
From: ronk@cascade.ens.tek.com (Ron Kirkpatrick;627-6707;50-454;LP=A;)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Another small (???) problem with INN 1.0
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:40:38 GMT
Reply-To: Ron.C.Kirkpatrick@tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Beaverton, OR


I haven't had a chance to look further yet and I realize that the "-n" flag
is available on the expire command. I am just reporting how INN behaves as it
comes 'out of the box'.

I have run across a problem with the expire utility. My current test
environment has a small news partition and filled up on Friday. When I came
in this morning (Monday) I found that expire had NOT been able to do it's
job:

> Server throttled No space (spool) [innwatch:32] 9742 lt 10000 -- pressing on

> Renumbering active file.
> Must be running

> Already throttled
> Wrong reason
> Expire messages:
> expire begin Sun Aug 30 02:30:36 PDT 1992: (-v1)
>     Can't reserve server
>     Article lines processed        0
>     Articles retained              0
>     Entries expired                0
>     Files unlinked                 0
>     Old entries dropped            0
>     Old entries retained           0
> expire end Sun Aug 30 02:30:36 PDT 1992
> ---------

-- 
Ron Kirkpatrick
Tektronix, Inc
News Administrator
503-627-6707
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: Date line in C-News May 2 Perf Release
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:57:42 GMT

Jason Haar:
>Now from reading RFC1036, it suggests that it is best to transfer newsitems
>amongst sites with the Date line in GMT, but that they should be converted
>into local timezone format for local reading. As far as I can tell, Cnews is 
>just doing the GMT bit :-(

That's because what 1036 means is that news *readers* should convert into
local time for reading.

>how can I get C-News to leave the Date line alone, and to create
>local timezone dates for postings?

You'll have to modify pnews to invode canonhdr without -d.

>And if that is a Bad Thing, could someone please give me the gory
>details why???

Alphabetic time zone names don't work (the US military ones are specified
incorrectly in RFC 822 and the rest are ill-defined and there is
competition for the names) and news systems (notably C News) are getting
less tolerant of non-GMT Date: headers.  One variant that we will
probably continue to support is a signed numeric time zone.
-- 
Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff

``Leave the evil grasping to us.'' - A. L. Arms, UNIX licensing, WECo.
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: INN vs. C-News expire
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<55901@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:13:46 GMT

Jerry> == Jerry Aguirre <jerry@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com> 

 Jerry> The remaining overhead is copying the history file and unlinking
 Jerry> the files.  Given the overhead of an unlink there is little that
 Jerry> can be done about that until the OS improves.

Well, in the "every problem can be solved by throwing sufficient
hardware at it" department, I've noticed that rm -rf is quite a bit
faster on the machine *with* a PrestoServe board than on the other
machines (on similar-speed local disks).  Apparently the unlink()s can
be very easily cached in the PrestoServe RAM...

I bet this would speed up expire runs.  Is it worth it?  Well, if you're
an absolute speed-freak weenie, and have the money, feel free to try it...
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
            ``Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ti Kwan Leep.
            Approach me that you might see.'' -- The Master
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Subject: 340 Ok
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:47:26 GMT

What does it mean, the error return "340 OK"
from an NNTP server?

The nntp software calls it a `CONT_CODE', but it
obviously doesn't continue to do anything.

				--Blair
				  "Or not so obviously..."
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Date line in C-News May 2 Perf Release
From: cctr127@cantsc.canterbury.ac.nz (Jason Haar)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:28:11 GMT
Reply-To: j.haar@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Hi,

I'm trialing C-News on our Sun with the thought of moving over from our 
current setup of running ANU-NEWS under VMS (no flames please!).

Anyway, the one thing that stood out as been different is the way C-News 
handles the "Date:" header - it automatically converts it into GMT format. 

Now from reading RFC1036, it suggests that it is best to transfer newsitems
amongst sites with the Date line in GMT, but that they should be converted
into local timezone format for local reading. As far as I can tell, Cnews is 
just doing the GMT bit :-(

I for one really like seeing "+1200" at the end of the Date line as it tells
people just where we stand in time in relation to them. Converting everything
to GMT means you loose that information.

Annnnyway, all the above is (hopefully) an explanation of my following 
question: how can I get C-News to leave the Date line alone, and to create
local timezone dates for postings? And if that is a Bad Thing, could someone
please give me the gory details why???

Cheers

Jason Haar, Network Consultant
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Another small (???) problem with INN 1.0
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:42:23 GMT
Reply-To: rsalz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: INN maintenance

In <36943@zephyr.ens.tek.com> Ron.C.Kirkpatrick@tek.com writes:
>It didn't take as long to find the problem as I thought it would. The reason
>being passed by innwatch.ctl/innwatch is not the same reason that news.daily
>is looking for. The differences for news.daily are:
Nope.  This "fix" isn't right.  It will mostly work for now.

Please install the first patch once I post it (in a day or two).
	/r$