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From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:03:14 GMT

In article <Bw0t68.BE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Weimin Shen <SHEN@JUNO.PHYSICS.WISC.EDU> writes:
>From: fyang@calshp.cals.wisc.edu
>
>                        I was rubbered by China Bank
>                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>        Here is a recent incident happened in China which shows that
>        my basic human rights was raped, rather than protected by the
>        national foreign currency bank: China Bank. The truth follows:
>
>        In the middle of April, 1992, I sent a personal check of $100 to my
>family in Jining, Inner Mongolia, PR of China.  The check was cashed on May
>26, 1992 by China Bank, according to US bank (UW-Credit Union, Madison, WI).
>However, I learned from a letter I received September 29, 1992 from my family
>that only $80 cash was passed after 3 months pending.  China Bank cheated
>my family as saying: "the $20 was deducted by US bank as processing fee" while
>China Bank also charged my family 10 Yuan as a processing fee.  When I checked
>with my US bank, they told me there is never such a charge!
>
>        What a rubbery!  What a rubbery under sun-light!  I want to use words
>like greed, ridiculous, inane, illogic, illegitimate ..., but I just feel it is
>not enough to describe their behavior, because they, as a national bank, not
>only cheated me, a Chinese Citicen, but also proposterously slandered US bank
>for their steeling my money.
>
>        As you all know that under Chinese Constitution, personal property
>should be protected.  China Bank, as a national institution, should exert their
>role to protect a Chinese Citizen's interest as far as their duty concerned.
>But to the contrast, they did the opposite.  What a dismay to me!  $20 is not
>too much, but significant enough to a poor student like me.  The most
>disturbing feeling I got was, where shall I lay my trust on ???  A national
>bank behaves like this, then where is the hope of the country ???
>
>        I will appreciate very much if any one can share with me your
>        experience, suggestions, comments or any help on this incidence.

I cashed a check once before, in China. The processing fee was 20 Yuan.

After I came to the States, I must have sent more than fifteen checks back
for my debts and a lot of other things. A few months ago, I was told by 
my parents that 20 Yuan was still the processing fee, independent of the
value of a check. No incident, like what you mentioned, has ever been 
mentioned. Maybe your case is only accidental.

What I learned from a Hongkong friend is that an international check 
can't be cashed in a Honkong bank, since it must be confirmed before 
cashed. This means some more work needed to be done, unlike a money order.
China Bank should be given some credit for willing to do it.

So, let's be careful with our judgement.

Hope it won't happen again. Wish you earned $20*1/0 dollars somewhere
else. :-(


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      HQ NR-4056    Think Ahead
Reply-To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:07:31 GMT
Comments: To: ccnl@utarlvm1.uta.edu, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4056      October 9, 1992
                    THINK AHEAD
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

                    Think Ahead
                    ===========


     Upon hearing the good news this morning (Friday), IFCSS HQ
staff Qingsong Zhang and Heping Shi invited to lunch IFCSS legal
advisors Burton Wides, Laura Reiff, and John Mitchell. Another
legal advisor, Elaine Budd, was out of town. Also at the lunch were
Jinghong Li, chairman of IFCSS Council, and Haiqing Zhao, chairman
of IFCSS Student Affairs Committee.

      After warmly congratulating one another, the IFCSS officers
and the lawyers engaged themselves in a serious discussion of what
to do next. It was agreed that no matter who wins the presidential
election, there is still a great deal left to be done. One
possibility is that there will be efforts to promote the president
to certify that students are safe to return. In fact, some related
agency has already started gathering data on students who have
returned to China. Even in the case that the president does not
certify that human rights situation has significantly improved,
there will still be complications regarding the implementation of
the Act. For instance, INS may well come up with a set of
regulations which are not satisfactory from our point of view.
Based on considerations along this line, some tentative strategies
were discussed.

     First, IFCSS should monitor closely the human rights situation
in China and systematically collect data on human rights
violations, particularly those involving overseas students and
their family members. The findings shall be put in the form of a
series of reports and sent to the White House and the State
Department. Second, IFCSS should be alert to any effort that might
lead to institution of a screening process. Third, IFCSS should use
its resources to positively influence the implementation of the
Act.

     Finally, the legal advisors suggested, and all the present
IFCSS officers agreed, that letters of thanks be sent to those news
editors who have helped us with favorable commentaries and reports
in the final week and whose assistance will remain essential to our
future operation.


***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:26:48 GMT

In article <BvtHzu.54p@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>> [...]
>>  Good article.  I would like to see more of these kinds presenting other side
>>of opinions about the protection bill, especially those who are not linked to
>>it ( CSS in Japan, Canada, Australian for instances).
>> 
>It is not a matter need much sophisticated discussion. it is obivous what
>should be done. It is a matter of whether a Chinese become Wang1Jing1Wei4,
>Zhou1Gong1Bo1 or not when you have a chanece!

  Let's look modern Wang1Jing1Wei4's behave during the visit by the emperor.

-ping

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: $LPAHM0@LUCCPUA.BITNET
Subject:      Help: Group B?
Reply-To: $LPAHM0@LUCCPUA.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:37:00 GMT

Could someone tell me what is difference between Group A and Group B.
I have read 'victory' Bill, but have any ideal about these two groups.
Please give me some hints, or tell me which file I should read.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: JDW5139@TAMXRD.TAMU.EDU
Subject:      RE: Help: Group B?
Reply-To: JDW5139@TAMXRD.TAMU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:04:44 GMT
Comments: To: $LPAHM0%LUCCPUA.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

>From:	SMTP%"$LPAHM0%LUCCPUA.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu" 10-OCT-1992 08:42:57.24
>Subj:	Help: Group B?

>Could someone tell me what is difference between Group A and Group B.
>I have read 'victory' Bill, but have any ideal about these two groups.
>Please give me some hints, or tell me which file I should read.

During the period when the protection bill was being debated over the net, one
person (I do not remember who) posted a message in which the CSS coming on or
before 4/11/90 were called the "Group A" and those coming to the US after that
date were called the "Group B", purely for convenience of discussion. If I re-
membered it right, that posting pointed out that a lot of Group B people showed
valuable support to Group A on the protection bill campaign by KEEPING SILENT.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Ghost On Air <JUNJIE@BUENGA.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: China Bank
Reply-To: Ghost On Air <JUNJIE@BUENGA.BU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:15:05 GMT
Comments: cc: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

I did send checks back home(PR China) many times and never encountered
such nasty charges by whatever banks the check receivers were cashing
from. There must be something wrong for those who were "robbed" by a
service charge fee, it's better to check out where it went wrong before
lounching any serious attack.

--- Junjie Hu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: JDW5139@TAMXRD.TAMU.EDU
Subject:      A Test
Reply-To: JDW5139@TAMXRD.TAMU.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:07:38 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

This is only a test.\
From: poppy@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: A Moral Issue
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:49:04 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

President Bush indicated in the last night show that it was wrong for Clinton
to demonstrate against his own country (against U. S. policy in Viet-Nam War)
in a foreign territory though Bush did seem to more tolerate the demonstration
before the White House during Gulf War.

Cliton was against U. S. invasion when he was in England in 70's.
Those Chinese students are against the "CCP dictatorship" in U. S today.
What is the difference?

It seems to me that dirty politicians sometimes consider issues "morally" rather
than politcially.

I think it was politically right for Mr. Clinton to demonstrate against U. S.
wherever since he believed the war was wrong for americans and world peace.

If it is morally wrong, can it be politically right?

Dose Mr. Bush think it is morally wrong for Chinese students to demonstrate
against their own country (represented by the CCP goverment) ?
From: JCCE@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
Subject:      Contratulations from NAGPS
Reply-To: JCCE@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:42:00 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Congratulations!

As the sayings goes...you played Bush like a violin!  Everyone
involved in the legislative campaign deserves a standing ovation
for the way they orchestrated this victory.  Bush had absolutely no
alternative but to sign the bill given the campaign and his recent
criticism of Clinton's trip to Russia (very silly politics if you
ask me).  Nancy Pelosi on TV today defended Clinton by criticizing
Bush's China policies.  Bush would have been even more vulnerable
had he vetoed the protection bill.  However, because of the
employment implications of the bill make it difficult for Bush to
even engage in open self-congratulation for signing the bill.

I suspect that Nancy Pelosi's management of this legislative
campaign and Clinton's election campaign have positioned her for a
high-level appointment in the Clinton administration, perhaps a
Senate bid, a party leadership post, or maybe even a cabinet
appointment.

As a follow-up to this victory, all Chinese students and scholars
should be reaffirm their commitment to the human rights cause and
vigorously support both their campus CSSA's and their national
representative organizations.

Again, I offer congratulations on behalf of the National
Association of Graduate-Professional Students.

John Capece, NAGPS Services, Inc.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:26:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.145502.1617@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>In article <CHEN.92Oct8194854@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp> chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie) writes:
>>
>>CSS in the U.S.A are losing a historic chance for China as well as
>>for themselves although they maybe reap some profits in short eyes.
>>The reason is simple and obvious: historically, Chinese dislike
>>those who take advantages by harming others.
>>Unfortunately, most CSS in USA are doing so, at least from
>>CSS's eyes in Japan.
>>The following is the images given by the CSS in USA:
>>------They claimed loudly for the democracy and human rights of Chinese people,
>>but in fact what they are begging Uncle Sam to protect are themselves
>>(see Protection Bill ).
>>------They claimed loudly for the democracy and human rights of Chinese people,
>>but in fact what they are begging Uncle Sam to do brings harm to
>>those kind people inside China (see Bill lobbying for CMFC).
>>------They have not shown any action on what they should do, for example, 
>>***********to protest USA's sell of F16's to Taiwan, which is 
>>very dangerous to the Chinese people both in mainland China and in Taiwan;
>>***********to help those poor kids in China to get basic education;
>>*********** .......
>>
>>In contrast, recent years the CSS in Japan are impressive for their talent 
>>and hard working. It is reported that in the recent two years,
>>among the CSS who came back to China to serve their people,
>>the members from Japan are more than 40 percent of the total numbers,
>>and they have brought many business chances to China. 
>>
>>In conclusion, the CSS in USA are going far away from China.
>>When people inside China know what happened in this Net.
>>they maybe give a more surprising answer than I.
>>
>>--
>
>
>  Good article.  I would like to see more of these kinds presenting other side
>of opinions about the protection bill, especially those who are not linked to
>it ( CSS in Japan, Canada, Australian for instances).
> 
It is not a matter need much sophisticated discussion. it is obivous what
should be done. It is a matter of whether a Chinese become Wang1Jing1Wei4,
Zhou1Gong1Bo1 or not when you have a chanece!



Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "UCLA K.Y." <EDT2LRF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      It's our turn to help HK students being charged!
Reply-To: "UCLA K.Y." <EDT2LRF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:57:00 GMT
Comments: To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>, ccnl <ccnl@UTARLVM1.BITNET>,
              china-nt <china-nt@UGA.BITNET>

Dear netters, IFCSS leaders,

Three Hong Kong student activitsts are charged for participating the
protest demonstration in front of the New China News Agency building on
June 5 early this year. And the HK Federation of Students is urgently
asking for international support on their rescue campaign.

These students are being charged under excuse of the HK municipal "Public
Order Ordinance" which the colony government used to supress student
gathering and other activities aiming the Li Peng government and its
agent in Hong Kong. Under the pressure from Bejing, the HK regime has been
doing this for three years.

During the 1989 pro-democracy movement and the years following that bloody
midnight, Hong Kong students have been giving enormous support to their
mainland peers. Now it's time for us to give our hands when they are
calling out.

Here are something we CSS in US can do to help the 3 charged Hong Kong
student cases:

Call your local or nearest British consulate to express your demand:

   "Please convey my deep concerns for the 3 Hong Kong students being
    charged by the un-justifiable reason."  You don't have to talk about
    the whole story to the staff of the consulate.

Send a letter to the British premier and/or the new HK governor asking them:

    "Stop suppressing students pro-democratic activities and make HK
    municipal rules consistant with internationaly recongnized human rights
    criterior."

I also suggest that IFCSS (HQ and/or CCSA) study the appeal from the HK
student Federation and consider certain action promptly.

Hong Kong is a very internationalized city in economy, and heavily relies
on the China-US trade, the more voice from the world and especially U.S.,
the more caution the HK government will take before giving any harsh
sentences to the cases. International protests will definitely balance the
pressure from Li Peng.

    HK Student Federation can be contacted by fax: (852) 787-3120
    or e-mail: H8811377@HKUCC.HKU.HK.

Names of the 3 student activists are:

    "To Kwan Hang", "Tsoi Yiu Cheong", "Wong Ching Man"

They are Secretary-General of the HK student federation for 1989, 1990,
and 1991 respectively, but were NOT organizers of the June 5 NCNA
demonstration, which are the reason they are charged by the HK regime in
the surface.


Kevin
UCLA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "(George Zhu)" <zhu@RISKY.ECS.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Forwarding: Mandela Praises China's Government
Reply-To: "(George Zhu)" <zhu@RISKY.ECS.UMASS.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:09:43 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Fowarded from talk.politics.china without permission.   ---George

From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups:
 alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.rush-limbaugh
 ,talk.politics.china
Subject: Look who joined the crowd!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:26:40 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Forwarded as:
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Mandela praises China's government
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:40:16 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

I got this jewel out of the Oct. 7 issue of the Atlanta Journal and
Constitution.


Nelson Mandela drew an icy and puzzled silence at Beijing University this
week with his public praise of China as an "inspiration to democracy and
freedom of expression".

The 76-year old leader of the African National Congress has been feted by
Chinese leaders for the last three days.  His official visit is to thank
Beijing for sustaining the ANC's anti-apartheid struggle for years with
cash and goods.

Many of those watching Mr. Mandela receive the an honorary doctorate saw
their student comrades shot down or beaten at Tiananmen Square in June
1989 after demonstrating for more freedom and democracy.

--
Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com


--
Emil Thomas Chuck		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
Biomedical Engineer 1993	Never take me too seriously.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ZHOU@MSG.UCSF.EDU
Subject:      Congratulation from UCSF lobby group
Reply-To: ZHOU@MSG.UCSF.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:15:50 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Dear HQ, CCSA:
Dear Netter:

	Congratulation for the victory from UCSF lobby group.

	We'll all remember this special day.  This victory is not only
that you, I and he have the potential to get green card, it is also the victory
of Chinese as a group in the history of Chinese in American. We should proud
of ourselves, a new generation of Chinese.

	This victory is only a beginning point for our future.  If we can
stay in the States, we need unite in the future, we need our political
leaders.  Please support those having potential in the future, and God
Bless them.

	For those came after 4/90, we'll all keep eyes open for them. Who
knows what will happened in China in the next year.  The important thing is
that we should unite and care each other.  We are brothers and sisters.

	We finished six of seven steps.

	LET UNITE AND FINISH THE LAST STEP.

UCSF lobby group
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: y0z8374@rigel.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Subject: Another story Re: China Bank
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:05:00 GMT

Last year I sent a check($40) to a friend in Japan for returning what I owed 
him. But late on he sent back the check and said that Japan  bank wanted to 
charge him about $17 to cash this check. That is my story. Any comment?

YZ
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: dnmao@mich.cern.ch
Subject:      Corrections for my last mail -- Dongning Mao
Reply-To: dnmao@mich.cern.ch
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:04:14 GMT

Sorry, for this mistake. I just found it when I read the incoming mail.
all 'vectory's in my last mail should be 'victory'. I have to say, I am not
familiar with 'victory'. It rarely comes to my life.
Dongning Mao
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "(Ye)" <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: "(Ye)" <stacc0@QUANTUM.FIU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:00:38 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Whom should I send money to now that the Bill has become the law?
1) 6.4 victims. That's the sole reason for such a bill to be proposed in the
first place. But, without IFCSS, there will be no bill.
2) IFCSS. That's right, they worked very hard for that, and many actively
involved didn't need this bill anyway. But, they are not Americans, they
can not propose any bills.
3) Democrats in Congress. Now I got it right. They are good friends of us,
only they can work the American political system and get our bill passed.
But, they just want to attack the President, why should I pay for something
they did for themselves?
4) President Bush. After all he is the one puts the final seal on the bill.
But, we know how reluctant he did so. Without our pressure, he will not sign.
5) Myself. Sure, for all the anxious moments and sleepless nights, for putting
up with all the junk e-mail but still subscribing the China-Net, why not?
But, moral standard, man, moral standard! No, I shouldn't send money to me.

So, whom should I send money to now that the Bill has become the law?
6) Tong-Voo, yes, that's right, I should send money to Tong-Voo! When he
first came to US, he had no money, no friend, not even spoke the language
(still not). But through investing in real estate, now he has well over
10 million in essets, three luxury cars, and five beautiful blonds thrown
themself at him!
1 1 71 6| 1 1 71 6| ...
    .  .      .  .
'Those chinaman blues,
 just fly away,
 I want to be a part of it,
 U S, U S...'

'I want to be in the place,
 that covered with dollars...'

'If Voo can, make it here,
 I can make it, also in here,
 it's up to me,
 Tong-Voo, Tong-Vooooo!'
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