From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.birthright
Subject: Re: One sure way to prevent a teen abortion? (was Re: Governor Casey for '96 President?
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:11:50 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <1992Jul27.183819.12607@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>> Some parents have VERY strong feelings about their daughters not
>> having abortions. 
>> Some parents resort to illegal means by issuing threats.
>
>Like, "If I ever find out that you're pregnant, I'll kill you?"
>A kinder, gentler enforcement of wholesome traditional family
>values, wouldn't you say? 

That's illegal. And it would prompt her to kill the baby by abortion. 

The part that's aimed at preventing killing is, "I will help you
enormously if you become pregnant, to carry the child to term." 

The part that's aimed at preventing killing by a little more force,
is, "..but if you decide to kill that unborn child, your ass is out of
the house. Permanently." 

A huge number of daughters would shrink way back from killing their
unborn child, then. 

>> But what if they resorted to legal means to circumvent the pro-choice
>> movement's undying quest to nullify parental authority? 
>
>> Why, a parent could, upon being told that their daughter is pregnant,
>> threaten to drop her off at a home for unwanted children if she has an
>> abortion.
>
>Some parents threaten their teenage children with foster homes for all
>kinds of transgressions, some of them extremely trivial.  Actually,
>don't you think those kinds of threats are self-defeating?

Nope. It worked on my brother. 

>> That's no slight inconvenience for anyone; the daughter would be
>> devastated, and she would have no legal action against her parents.
>> She'd just be out of a home.
>
>And the parents end up looking like idiots.

How? They got their way. When you get the job done, you can't look
like an idiot. 

>> And where would the NARAL & Planned Parenthood be, then? They won't
>> house her. She'll be just an insignificant casualty in this war. Or,
>> as they say, "Another one bites the dust."
>
>Blaming the NARAL & Planned Parenthood for the actions of a few stupid
>parents makes about as much sense as blaming the National Football League
>for the increase in cheap shots in hockey games.  But when has making
>sense ever been your strong suit?

My point is, PP, NARAL & NOW won't, after all their yelling &
screaming, be there when that daughter faces the sheer might of her
parents, when directed towards a legal means of removing her if she
crosses them over this issue. 

The parents, once again, don't have to strike a single blow: the blow
they strike is with the pen, signing her into an unwanted children's
home. 

>> But the parents would strike the last and final blow in the issue, and
>> the next daughter would more likely either not get pregnant or not
>> even consider abortion.
>
>You'd be surprised at the lessons drawn from such parental behavior.

If it could convince my hard-headed brother, it could convince
anyone. It was another 10 years before he acted up again, and then he
lost the family inheritance which now has grown to 2 houses and a
condo being purchased in Tahoe, NV. 

>> Sure, the tactics are heavy handed, but anything is fair in war,
>
>What war, Mr. Chaney?

You have no common sense, do you? 

Abortion goes way beyond a debate when it divides families and
friends. 

That has all the qualities of a war in the brewing. 

>> and as the pro-choicers like to say, IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL TO DO IT.
>
>Actually, I _think_ that the daughter has _some_ legal recourse in many
>states; that's something that might be interesting to research.

What? Force her way back into the house? I think not. 

Better yet, I wonder what it'd be like if a parent put a daughter out
upon discovering she was pro-choice? 

That wouldn't be any worse than women who threaten to divorce their
husbands over spousal consent laws. 


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