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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: Sports prototype races televised ?
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 13:35:35 GMT


Does anyone know of ESPN covers the FIA World Sports car championship
races ?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers)
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1
Organization: Cimtek
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.165912.5214@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>
>I think that F1 could well learn from the IndyCar scene and introduce
>full course yellows.  F1 usually has a lot of cranes to clear cars and
>

The problem with full-course yellows is that they are used to make races
artificially "close".  The safety record in F1 (and in SCCA and IMSA, for 
that matter) suggests that local yellows are sufficient for safe racing, 
so the only thing to be gained from a full-course yellow is this artificial
"close" race.  In fact, when cars are bunched together (as they would
be under a full-course yellow), I would argue that it makes racing LESS safe, 
not more so.  ("Awright, let's hear it for blood and gore!" :-) )

There are lots of reasons I could give for enjoying F1 just as it is, but
suffice it to say that there are many of us who do.  I say, leave it
alone and if people want to watch full-course yellows, they can watch a
different brand of racing.  Fortunately, it sounds as if the full-course
yellow has virtually no support in the F1 community, so we F1 fans should
have little to worry about.

(DISCLAIMER: I have not yet had my first cup of coffee this morning.)

-- 

Mark Rogers  (rogersmf@eplrx7.es.dupont.com)

"Glider pilots keep it up longer with fewer props."
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: CART: Valvoline 200 (and other IndyCar stuff)
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:03:29 GMT
Organization: NCSU Project Eos

In article <5APR199217192180@utarlg.uta.edu> b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu 
(George M. Smiley) writes:
>Also, what about Paul
>Tracy's ride? [...]
>Oh well, I will still enjoy watching
>next week's Long Beach GP, even though he won't be driving.

Paul Tracy was scheduled for surgery at Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis
after the Phoenix race.  He's having some sort of medical appliance(s) removed
from his leg (it was put in after his crash at Michigan last year).  He'll
be recovering for two weeks.  Now, whether he's having the surgery because he
won't be at Long Beach or vice versa, I don't know.

IROC test drivers took to the track at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway this
past Monday.  I didn't hear what their impressions were.

And one more thing I've forgotten to mention:  the Marlboro Challenge will be 
during the Nazareth race weekend this year rather than at Laguna Seca.  
Previously it had been "TBA", but it was on the IndyCar schedule poster 
inserted in AutoWeek a few weeks back (next to the coverage of the Australia
race).  BTW, I thought Marlboro's schedule poster inserted in Automobile and
possibly other magazines was even cooler, with its use of track diagrams, etc.

--
Jay C. Smith
Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu  uucp: ...!mcnc!ncsuvx!eos!jcsmith
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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: WoO schedule
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:58:01 CDT




The last I heard on Doug Wolfgang is that he is still in serious condition
at a hospital in Kansas City. Wolfie crashed during practice at New Lakeside,
Kansas and his car burst into flames. I understand he has burns on thirty percent
of his body and he damaged his lungs from inhaling smoke/fire.

Best wishes to Doug Wolfgang, and here's to a speedy recovery.

-Dean

	1992 World of Outlaws Skoal/Copenhagen Shootout schedule

DATE		SITE			WINNER		PTS. LEADER
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/7,8		Suncoast Dome, FL	S. Swindell
2/10,11		Charlotte Co, FL	D. Blaney
2/22,23		Autopista Juarez, Mex	S. Kinser	S. Kinser
2/29		Bakersfield, CA		???
3/4		Kings, CA		S. Smith
3/6,7		San Jose, CA		S. Smith
3/11		Placerville, CA		J. Haudenschild	
3/13,14		Silver Dollar, CA 	S. Kinser	S. Kinser (+123)
3/18		Big H, TX		D. Wolfgang
3/20,21		N. Texas, TX		**cancelled**
3/21		Devil's Bowl, TX	S. Smith	S. Kinser (+121)
3/22		State Fair, OK		**ppd to 3/28**
3/28		State Fair, OK		S. Kinser
4/4,5		New Lakeside, KS	S. Swindell
4/11,12		Eldora, OH		S. Swindell
4/17		Bloomington, IN
4/18		I-55, MO
4/24,25		Knoxville, IA
5/1		I-30, AR
5/2		Tulsa, OK
5/3		Hutchinson, KS
5/6		Tri-City, IL
5/8		State Fair, IN
5/10		Tri-State, IN
5/15,16		WV Motor, WV
5/20		Lernerville, PA
5/21,22		Williams Grove, PA
5/23,24		Hagerstown, MD
5/25		Lincoln, PA
5/29		Williams Grove, PA
5/31		Orange Co, NY
6/1		Lebanon Valley, NY
6/2		Rolling Wheels, NY
6/3		Canandaigua, NY
6/5,6		Eldora, OH
6/10		Big H, TX
6/12,13		N. Texas, TX		**cancelled**
6/13		Devil's Bowl, TX
6/14		State Fair, OK
6/15		81, KS
6/17		Hales Corner, WI
6/19,20		Knoxville, IA
6/26,27		Eagle, NE
7/1		Rocky Mtn, CO
7/4		Black Hills, SD
7/8		Huset's, SD
7/10,11		Red River, ND
7/13		Cedar Lake, WI
7/15		Kokomo, IN
7/21		Farley, IA
7/22		Knoxville, IA
7/23,24		Sante Fe, IL
7/25		Tri-City, IL
7/26		Tri-State, IN
7/28		Lernerville, PA
7/30,31		Williams Grove, PA
8/1		Hagerstown, MD
8/3		WV Motor, WV
8/7		Attica, OH
8/8		Fremont, OH
8/10		Tri-City, IL
8/12-15		Knoxville, IA
8/19		Hales Corner, WI
8/21,22		Huset's, SD
8/24		Eagle, NE
8/26		Las Vegas, NV
8/28,29		Santa Maria, CA
9/2		Kings, CA
9/5,6		Calistoga, CA
9/11,12		San Jose Fair, CA
9/17-19		Silver Dollar, CA
9/25,26		Knoxville, IA
9/30		Lernerville, PA
10/2,3		Williams Grove, PA
10/9,10		State Fair, NY
10/10		Rolling Wheels, NY
10/16-18	State Fair, IN
10/22		Big H, TX
10/23,24	N. Texas, TX		**cancelled**
10/31,11/1	New Lakeside, KS
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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: CART: Valvoline 200 (spoiler)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 22:19:00 GMT

 Just got finished watching the race on ABC, the coverage was adequate, the
race was excellent. Some of Paul Page's comments made for interesting viewing.
For instance, is this Rahal's year ? Seems to me Paul nailed this one, Rahal
is control of his own team and that has got to be either a boost to his
confidence or a draw on his energies (running an Indy Car team and driving
at the same time has got to be a load). Rahal's titles came when he was
driving for the one car TrueSports team, a situation he finds himself back
in. Also, Rahal has the proven motor & chassis setup. The new Fords had, in
general, a poor outing and the new Chevy motor seemed no better than the old
one - or perhaps Rahal just had one of those days. Also, what about Paul
Tracy's ride ? Good to see him competetive after last years wreck. Anybody
who watched his domination of ARS a couple of years back knows this young
Canadian can drive, couple this with the Penske organization and he could
win a race within a couple of years, but, why does he have only limited rides
for this season ? Is it financial ? Seems to me that, Penske should let him
run on both oval and street courses. Oh well, I will still enjoy watching
next weeks Long Beach GP, eventhough he won't be driving.

George.

P.S. Has anybody at College Station gone to see the Indy Car teams test
     at Texas World Speedway ? Are these test open to the public ?
From: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR WC schedule
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:59:11 GMT
Reply-To: stoffel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Stoffel)
Organization: CDNSWC, Annapolis Detachment (x-DTRC)

In rec.autos.sport, ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer) writes:

(in part)
>>4/26   Martinsville, VA        ESPN-TD
>
>Concerning the coverage of the race at Martinsville:
>
>I thought I heared and saw on ESPN that they will broadcast the race
>tape-delayed on MONDAY the 27th in the evening sometime.
>Can anybody confirm this?

Yes. It's currently scheduled for the 8:00-11:00PM EDT slot on ESPN
(on 4/27).

It is also scheduled for rebroadcast at 3:30-5:30AM EDT on 4/29.

(I think this info. was in my last issue of Televised Events btw)
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Long Beach - Mario
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: One of the best
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Apr 1992 10:25 EST  


In article <1992Apr17.122938.25344@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, 
garr@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (guido.a.rijo) writes...

>Are there any of his contemporaries that is faster than him at the moment?.
>Accident happen, or do you think Mario wanted to take Eddie and himself out
>of the race at the beginning of the race. Don't you remember that Al Jr,
>took Mario out the LB race a couple of years ago. Should Al Jr. have 
>retired because of that, NO WAY, I've enjoyed watching him drive since
>then. 

If I recall correctly, Lil' Al admitted he was at least partially at fault 
and apologized.  The difference with Mario is that no matter what happens, 
he contends that he is entirely without fault and the blame goes elsewhere. 
The fear is that someone is going to get seriously injured or worse one of 
these days, Mario included.

>Just think of all the glory an recognition that Mario has brought to 
>the sport and the country over the years. Maybe if he had been born
>here and had a better accent we would treat him different.

Mario has had an illustrious racing career.  He is the only driver in 
history to win a Formula 1 World Championship, Indianapolis 500, and 
Daytona 500.  But that was then and this is now.  I respect his past
accomplishments, but I can not respect his current performances coupled 
with his attitude.

You last sentence is one of the biggest lines of bullshit that I have ever 
read.  Emmo and Arie were not born in the United States, yet they are 
treated different than Mario - mainly because they don't pull the same crap 
that Mario does.  And certain U.S. drivers aren't treated all that well by 
the fans and other drivers due to past incidents (Cogan, to a degree, is 
still looked down upon due to the first lap wreck at Indy several years ago 
and wasn't there a driver referred to in this newsgroup last year as a 
"Rolling Speedbump"?)

What a driver did in the past may get him respect and fans, but his 
performance on Sunday is what keeps or loses them.

Jim Dorcey
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 12:31:28 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Brazil Pick6 ramblings

I do not know if anyone else noticed this, but ESPN showed Mr. Prost
finishing in 4th place. What was he driving? Was it a Ferrari, McLaren or
perhaps a Ligier.

Jonathan Swaby
From: skod@trenco.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Griffith, Sun Lumpyware)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell at Silverstone 1988 was Re: Senna bashing
Summary: Can anyone comment on this?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:32:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: trenco

In article <1992Apr9.134402.3281@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:

> After a season of saying that there was absolutely 
> no way to go back to a conventional suspension, Williams popped down the A34,
> knocked up some coil springs and had them fitted overnight.  I can't believe 
> that they didn't have them prepared a bit in advance, but it makes a better 
> story this way. 

Perhaps someone in the UK, or with better technical references than I
have, can comment on this. Here in the US, it was reported that the
springs fitted initally weren't springs at all (due to the need to
replace the hydraulic cylinders, which took up very little space), but
rather a suitably sized stack of Belleville washers! Later, as time
allowed, the suspension pickups were modified to allow a normal
coilover arrangement.

For those who aren't familiar with them, Belleville washers are
somewhat akin to flat washers that have been deformed into a shallow
cone and heat treated so that they do provide springing action as they
are compressed.

Now, this struck me as being very brave (or desperate), since the
choice of rates for a given size of Belleville washer is, shall we
say, _way_ limited. Still, it makes a good story as well, and gave me
a warm feeling to think that there's still a place in the world for
the well-intentioned kluge.

Does anybody actually know whether the car was actually raced with
this arrangement? I remember having read this, in "On Track"
I think, but my memory is notoriously poor...

-skod

--
Scott Griffith, Sun Microsystems Lumpyware
SCCA Flagging/Communications worker
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From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Villeneuve crash
Date: 23 Mar 92 17:55:56 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Mar19.181942.14337@watserv1.waterloo.edu> dp54@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Rob Silcher) writes:
>In article <mferrare.700964481@adelphi> mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto) writes:
>>Last night i was watching a video called "Turbo Time".  It was generally boring
>>but it did show Gilles Villeneuve's crash.  The problem was that the camera
>
>If I can remember correctly, Villeneuve came up behind Joachim Moss (sp?) at 
>at about 2-3 times the speed Moss was driving at. Villeneuve's front tire hit 
>Moss's rear tire which catapulted Villeneuve's car.
>
>At first people blamed Moss since it looked like he cut in front of Gilles
>however Gilles, for some reason unexplained, drove into the turn way too
>fast. Therefore I don't think Moss was really blamed.

I think  it  was Mass, not Moss.  Also, my recollection was that Gilles was on
a hot qualifying lap, using the "gumball" qualifying  tires that were only good
for one  serious lap.  Backing off meant wasting the set of tires, and they
were only allowed two sets per session.  Mass saw him coming, and moved to let
him by.  Gilles had already "gone for it" and picked the same side of the road
Mass picked, believing Gilles would  want the other side.

A very similar event a few races later terminated Didier Pironi's F1 career,
and that time it was Prost(!) in the way.  The consensus was that the super
stick, short-lived qualifying tires were to blame, as the forced drivers into
situations where they just could not afford to back off.

An additional factor in Gilles death was the events at the previous race,
where Pironi passed him near the end of the race  for the win, when Gilles
had backed off believing Pironi would honor their agreement (or was it
team orders?) that in such a situation they would slow down and be sure
of a team 1-2 rather than risk failures or accidents racing each other to
the bitter end.  Gilles' anger and determination to beat Pironi for the
pole was an additional reason why he didn't back off and wait another
corner to make the pass.  Jochen Mass (sp?) was a good guy, and not to
blame.

Dave Wilson
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: HELP! Need detailed Montreal GP info
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 17:13:10 GMT

>> I need SPECIFIC info on what tickets are good (I hear the pit, and the
>> first corner are good).  If you know the section #, that would be very
>> helpful.  The only info I got from the track was the prices of the Gold
>> ($215 Canadian), Silver ($190), and Bronze ($135).   
>> Also, where is a good place to stay?

This will be my 7th pilgrimage to Montreal, the North American shrine for
those of the Grand Prix faith.  :)

Anyway, I have seen the race from the final hairpin, from the Golds across
from the pits, and from the first-corner grandstands.  If you want to see
the race, the best place IMHO is that first corner; you see the cars coming
though the chicane at the end of the start/finish straight, braking for a
left sweeper, going around a right-hand hairpin, and then accelerating up
the hill and out of sight.  The hairpin isn't bad either, but you'll see
the backs of the cars more than the fronts.  Sitting across the pits, sure
you'll see the pit action, byt the cars drive by you so fast you'll barely
be able to turn your head to keep up!  General Admission has been
terrible ever since Molson's took over the organization in '88...

Anyway, what you want is Silver 11 (the second grandstand at the first
corner), or maybe Silver 12.  At C$190 these aren't cheap, but I think they
are the best seats in the house.  At the same price, you could also be at
the hairpin Silver grandstands: these are 24 and 15, I think.

On Friday and Saturday, if you use your wits and legs a little bit, you'll
be able to sit pretty well where you want.  We usually watch one practise
session from the hairpin, another from the Golds, a third from Silver 21
(I think) at the S-bend on the back straight, and one more wherever we
happen to be.  :)

Golds cost C$215, Bronze C$135 and general admission C$50.  All prices will
be higher at the track...

Oh, and we usually stay at Journey's End downtown: clean rooms, good service,
low prices.  They may be booked up by now, but you might be able to get a
room in their Dorval or Boucherville locations.

Good luck!

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: v058l789@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 - water injection.
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr6.201933.18849@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes...
>v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ethan A Bowerman) writes:
> 
>>	Water is not used in the form of steam to drive the piston.  The energy
>>to turn the water to steam has to come from somewhere- in this case from
>>the work done on the intake charge during compression.  If this were so, the 
>>compression stroke would create a higher drag on the engine and actually
>>hurting it's preformance rather than helping. 
> 
>>	But you can bet that the F1 teams ( that spend millions on R & D) have
>>got it set up just right. :)
> 
>Hmmm... take a crack at this.  Back in the days of the early turbojet
>airliners, the old 707s and DC-8s used to use water injection at
>takeoff.  My flying friends tell me that this increased effective
>thrust by increasing the mass (and hence the momentum) of the exhaust.
>I've always wondered about this, because it seems to me that this
>would just lower the temperature of the exhaust and inhibit expansion.
>Doesn't seem to gain anything.
> 
>Then again, I'm not the expert.  What was the zeroeth law of
>thermodynamics again?

	Your friends are mostly right.  The air is cooled by the
water injection, thus making it more danse and able to carry more water per unit
of volume.  So as the denser intake charge goes in, it draws (or can draw or 
burn) more fuel per unit of volume of air that comes in.  Thus you get more fuel
burned and more exhaust discharge per unit of time.  Make sense??

	0th law of thermodynamics (Bowerman's interpretation)


		Nothing ever works according to the 1st and 2nd laws...

				8:P
From: SASTZH@vm.sas.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR WC schedule
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:56:12 GMT
 <1992Apr14.225509.13407@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.



>Concerning the coverage of the race at Martinsville:
>
>I thought I heared and saw on ESPN that they will broadcast the race
>tape-delayed on MONDAY the 27th in the evening sometime.
>Can anybody confirm this?
>

I believe you are correct. I believe I heard it either on ESPN following the

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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Please Mario, its time!
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.16APR199209345343
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr15.190740.7763@apollo.hp.com>, johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes...
>In article <181082@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>>
>>Get a clue Mario, retire now, don't try to wait until the end of '93!
>>
>>Dan Jones
> 
>While I agree with Dan that Mario is becoming more and more dangerous to
>be near as time goes by, there is one thing that makes me not want him to
>retire before 1993, and that reason is:  Michael Andretti.
>With any luck this year Michael will win the one thing that has eluded
>him so far - the Indianapolis 500.  If he does that then I expect him to
>go to Formula 1 in 1993 (probably with Ferrari, assuming they get their
>act together this year). I would not like to see Michael exposed to the
>F1 media circus (which itself encourages primadonna driver attitudes) with
>Mario by his side.  Get him away from Mario and he stands a much better
>chance of turning into a reasonable human being - he's already started!

Just for clarity, what you are suggesting is that Michael goes to F1 next 
year, while daddy stays home and runs IndyCar.

Food for thought - picture Michael going to Benetton and a Michael A. & 
Michael S. team.

JD
From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:01:02 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <1992Apr10.161720.23258@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes:
>I heard a rumor today from a normally reliable source that Honda
>has decided to pull out of F1 in '94.  Has anybody heard anything 
>about this?  Possibility is that the >

I read in one of the major auto magazines recently that Honda has taken delivery of a Lola Indy Car for "examination". And it rumored they might go Indy as soon as '93, possibly with, get this, Scott Pruett & Truesports. I find this hard to believe, as well as it being '93.