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From: bowerman@dial.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Bowerman)
Subject: Re: Funky Blues Band coming to town.
Reply-To: bowerman@dial.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: U of Waterloo, Dept. of Systems Design
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:02:23 GMT

In article <BvpLtE.Bss@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, bowerman@dial.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Bowerman) writes:
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> School got you down? Sick of getting ready for the midterm crunch. Well
> if you want a good break from everything, c'mon down to Pop the Gator
> on Thursday night. A band called Incity Dreams is playing. The main
> emphasis of the music is funky blues and it is quite a lively and enjoyable
> set.
> 
> Why am I posting this? A couple people in the band are friends of mine
> from way back in my Ottawa days. This is their first tour of SouthWestern
> Ontario and I'm trying to help them out. 

A couple of points that I forgot to mention in my previous posting.
First of all Pop the Gator is on Queen St S. between King and Charles
in beautiful downtown Kitchener. Secondly, this is not a multilevel
marketing scam^H^H^H^Hscheme and you will not get rich by attending.
You will, however, have a good time. Hope to see you all there.

Later.

-- 
I don't care if my signature does not have zen nature, as long as
it has got sig.nature!

Bob (bowerman@dial.uwaterloo.ca)


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From: pcormier@bfield.uucp (Paul Cormier)
Newsgroups: kw.general
Subject: Women's Prison
Date: 27 Sep 92 10:10:04 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

Does anyone live near the newly proposed women prison that's going up in south
Kitchener?

I used to live across the street from the Doon Heritage Crossroads centre
(which is going to be right next door to the prison).  Across the street from
the prison is a row of houses backing onto Homer-Watson.

What do these clowns mean when they say it's not in a residential
neighbourhood?  Just because the closest houses are across a two lane road? 
Perhaps a 30 second walk?

Personally I don't think that was a very smart choice when there is land
available on the outskirts of the town with no body around it.  An even better
idea, one that should have been put forward a long time ago would be to put
them all in 1 central *ISLAND* isolated somewhere... up north!  Who cares about
their rights?  Why does the prisons have to be scattered around the country...
so that they can be closer to whatever friends/family they have?  Nah, just
doesn't cut it.

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From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Small Business Oportunity
Organization: Reptilian Research, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:19:49 GMT

before anyone flames me for the broken grammar in the last article, i plead
caffine/nicotine deficeincies.
8^)

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From: bjpocock@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Beastor the Mad)
Subject: Re: Regulations concerning Amway in Ontario (facts and comparisons)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:02:53 GMT

>pyramid sales schemes. What was Amway's research and development budget
>for the last decade?  I bet it didn't go up at the claimed 45% yearly
>increase in profits...

Actually, I think the Amway research and development budget was HUGE in
the last decade, one of the biggest in corporate America.  I'll give you
facts if you want.

Their products are still the most important thing to them.  After all, 
everyone buys the products who are in Amway.  Makes sense.

I give people sample products before I let them in, so that if they dislike
them they probably won't want to join unless they think they can recruit
people.  I haven't met anyone though who dislikes any products, except one
who dislikeed a fruit drink mix.


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From: eboritz@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Efrim Boritz)
Subject: Re: Amway (make BIG BIG money)
Keywords: MONEY
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:03:03 GMT


Here is quote 1 (emphasis mine):

> I sell to myself and my family.  You get some big discounts on stuff... from
> 18-65% off after the commission part of it.  That's why I buy from there.
> *You also don't make your money by selling.  Most of it is by Professional
> Networking.*

Here is quote 2:

> The Amway Sales and Marketing Plan contains none of the above described 
> elements.  Distributors of AMWAY products earn monies by selling products
> to their retail customers and other distributors in their sales organization,
> not from the introduction of additional persons into the business.  AMWAY
> distributors who require large initial investments in sales kits or inventory
> and do not properly emphasis retail sales of AMWAY products may invite
> scrutiny under various provincal pyramid laws.
> 
> In summary, it is mandatory that distributors of AMWAY products present the
> AMWAY sales and Marketing Plan in accordance with AMWAY literature and sales
> aids, properly emphasize retail selling, and only require purchase of the
> literature portion of the Amway Sales Kit to enter the business.  IT is 
> important to realize that simple and innocent changes made by well-meaning
> distributors could violate these laws.


End of the quote. Notice any inconsitencies? That is what really annoys
me about these type of 'opportunities' (and I have direct experience with
others). They are never about selling something even though the ONLY way
anyone makes any money is if something gets sold. Unfortunately, for every
fat cat at the top of the organization there are a bunch of poor slobs at
the bottom who sell a few products to themselves and their (sometimes
unfortunate) friends. If you don't mind making money off of someone else's
work when you do nothing for them (or someone making money off your work)
then this may be for you.

>
>>BTW, Amway has a growth rate of 45% a year for the last decade... far beyond
>>any other corporation.  This in itself should show that this is not a trend,
>>and will continue to do so for a little while.

Of course all this growth comes from people being recruited and the majority
of them basically using the products themselves. They expand by selling
people on making money, not by selling (necessarily) good products at 
reasonable prices.

Note that I am not familiar with Amway's products, but if you liked them
it is probably worth getting involved just so you can buy them at the
'distributor' wholesale prices.

Nick.

P.S. Sorry. The subject line is a cheap shot.
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From: bjpocock@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Beastor the Mad)
Subject: Re: Small Business Oportunity
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:59:30 GMT

>>practically no capital.  The business is in distribution networking, and
>>is really easy to do.  
>
>Can you say Amway? NuSkin? Network Marketing? Multi-level Marketing? 
>
>Yawn.
>
Yes, in fact it is Amway.  Why you dislike it so much is beyond me.  Then
again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people won't like
it.

If you read this article and think there is a huge MARKETING aspect to it,
your wrong.  I've never sold any products to anyone other then myself
and my family.  Yes, it's not BRAND NEW, it's been around for a while. NO,
your not going to make 1,000,000 in 6 months... though I know people (heck,
they'll probably be doing the meetings) that are making 25,000-50,000 per
year while only being in Amway for 9 months.  You don't have to quit your
job for this either.

I'm not trying to sell anyone anything... those that are interested will
reply.  Those that are not, won't.  Those that are interest will go to
a meeting for an hour or I'll come over and tell it to you personally.
Then, if they dislike it, fine. I imagine there are quite a few people that
are interested in this type of thing.

BTW, Amway has a growth rate of 45% a year for the last decade... far beyond
any other corporation.  This in itself should show that this is not a trend,
and will continue to do so for a little while.  I'm not defending Amway, if 
you don't want to do it, no problem.  Just don't let people who are close-
minded change your mind.  Remember, if you were to start up any business, many
people would think that you didn't have a chance.

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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: kw.general,uw.csc
Subject: Re: FidoNet ... how?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:48:03 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

tschille@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Thorsten Schiller) writes:

> Greetings...
> 
> I am interested in getting a FidoNet feed but am not entirely sure who to 
> contact or otherwise go about attaining a feed.

   Call City Limits BBS in Cambridge at 658-0311.

> Can anyone tell me who I should talk to?

   I don't have the number for Royce Jones (the Fido co-ordinator in the K-W 
area), so you'll have to speak to Barry Redwood, the SYSOP of City Limits, and 
he'll help you out.

> What sorts of expenses are associated with it?

   No fee to join the net, but you'll have to share the costs if you 
participate in things that cost money (such as conferences which are brought 
in through long distance calls).

> Anything else that seems important? :)

   If you wish to become a 'full' member of FidoNet (a listed system), you 
must answer the phone between 4 and 5 AM (5 and 6 during daylight saving) with 
*only* a Fido protocol capable mailer.  You have the option of marking your 
system as reachable 24 hours.

   If you don't need to be reached directly, you can become a 'point', or leaf 
node from a listed system.  There are no requirements except that you meet the 
requirements of the listed system's operator.

   Most SysOps can provide you with the software and help that you need.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
         Coincidentally, most people who fight for "fairness" would be
         significantly better off under the system they call "fair"...
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From: eboritz@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Efrim Boritz)
Subject: Re: Women's Prison
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:31:25 GMT

In article <pcormier.07cs@bfield.uucp> pcormier@bfield.uucp (Paul Cormier) writes:
>
		[stuff about 'not in my back yard' deleted]

>Personally I don't think that was a very smart choice when there is land
>available on the outskirts of the town with no body around it.  An even better
>idea, one that should have been put forward a long time ago would be to put
>them all in 1 central *ISLAND* isolated somewhere... up north!  Who cares about
>their rights?  Why does the prisons have to be scattered around the country...
>so that they can be closer to whatever friends/family they have?  Nah, just
>doesn't cut it.
>

This just begs a response (even if just to show that someone doesn't
agree with these inhumane (for lack of a better word) views).

Sure, let's go back to penal colonies (maybe even debtors prison?).
Or, since criminals should have no rights, lets sell them into slavery.
Even better, since it is a womens's prison we are talking about, let's
open a state run brothel and have them earn their keep.

Was that knee-jerk enough?

Nick.
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From: broehl@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Bernie Roehl)
Subject: Entertainment!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:34:51 GMT

If you find the news depressing...

If you wonder what the future will hold...

If you think this season's sitcoms are about as much fun as watching
dust settle...

Then come see Theatresports!

You'll be able to sit back, relax, and watch teams of experienced
improvisational comedy performers create a series of short, funny
skits based on audience suggestions.

It's all created on the spot, so anything can happen!

There's only one disadvantage: you'll have to put down your remote
control, stand up, and actually go somewhere.  Yes, we understand
that it's quite a hardship... but we think it's worth it.  Besides,
you can used the exercise.

So, where do you go?  "The Studio", 9 Princess Street in Waterloo.
(It's just the other side of King Street from the Princess Cinema).

And when do you do this?  Thursday night, at 8 pm.

See you at the show...!

-- 
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From: afleming@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Allan Fleming)
Subject: Re: Women's Prison
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:49:05 GMT

In article <BvG8MF.12B@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS) writes:
>In article <BvFyuG.AC4@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, afleming@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Allan Fleming) writes:
>> Paul Cormier (pcormier@bfield.uucp) wrote:
>> > them all in 1 central *ISLAND* isolated somewhere... up north!  Who cares about
>>                                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > their rights?  Why does the prisons have to be scattered around the country..  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Bet he cares at lot about his own rights though...
>> 
>> -- 
>> Allan Fleming - afleming@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca
>************************************************************************
>
>Why should the rights of the inmates be of paramount concern, if I felt
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I never said anything about the rights of inmates, I just pointed out
the hypocritical nature of one of the worst moral crimes this planet
has ever suffered...

>sorry for anyone being stuck "out in the wilderness", it would be the
>guards and their families.  The inmates are there for a finite period,
>usually several years or less, the guards could be there for 30+.
>Anyways I think there could be a fairly easy solution, concentrate
>prisons, ie reduce the number, place them near but not in large urban
>centres, which have the necessary transportation.
>
>jim m.
>***********************************************************************
>
>
>


-- 
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From: ttocek@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Tomas (too much) Tocek)
Subject: Re: Small Business Opportunity
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:04:11 GMT

>You forgot one mistake. You are promoting a MLM scheme against a bunch of
>people who understand computers, and are basically logical to some degree.
....and know basic Algebra.

>Most of the money at the top of these schemes usually comes from recruiting
>new people, and giving them lower comissions to start.
That's what I dislike the most about MLM schemes, that the people on the top
keep getting more and more. There should be a point where once they reach
$1 million, let's say, they'd discontinue the chain, and possibly start back
on the bottom of the pyramid.

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From: broehl@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Bernie Roehl)
Subject: Laughter and Good Times
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:22:34 GMT

If you're tired of the Referendum debate, the U.S. election, and the
exciting (yawn!) Fall television season, why not switch off the tube
for a night and go see some live entertainment?

Theatresports is improvisational comedy, performed live in front of an
audience.  Two teams of experienced performers take turns asking for ideas
from the crowd, and improvise short, entertaining comedy sketches using
those ideas.  

It's fun, it's silly, it's off-the-wall, it's on Thursday, it's at 8 pm, and
it's at The Studio (9 Princess St in Waterloo, just the other side of King
from the Princess Cinema).

And remember, this week is Hedgehog Week at Theatresports -- bring a live
hedgehog, get in free!
-- 
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From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: Re: Small Business Oportunity
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Distribution: kw
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:25:19 GMT

In article <BvCt8o.8pq@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> bjpocock@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Beastor the Mad) writes:
>Ok... here's a chance for anyone wanting to start a small business with 
>practically no capital.  The business is in distribution networking, and
>is really easy to do.  

Can you say Amway? NuSkin? Network Marketing? Multi-level Marketing? 

Yawn.

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From: afleming@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Allan Fleming)
Subject: Re: Women's Prison
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:03:52 GMT

Paul Cormier (pcormier@bfield.uucp) wrote:
> Does anyone live near the newly proposed women prison that's going up in south
> Kitchener?
> 
> Personally I don't think that was a very smart choice when there is land
> available on the outskirts of the town with no body around it.  An even better
> idea, one that should have been put forward a long time ago would be to put
> them all in 1 central *ISLAND* isolated somewhere... up north!  Who cares about
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> their rights?  Why does the prisons have to be scattered around the country..  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bet he cares at lot about his own rights though...

-- 
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From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Women's Prison
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:15:15 GMT

	It's like the garbage dump problem: no-one  wants them in *their*
backyard. 

	The prisoners were, I assume, produced in Southern Ontario, right?
Why should S. Ontario get to export its social problems to a remote location?


							James Nicoll
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From: bjpocock@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Beastor the Mad)
Subject: Re: Small Business Opportunity
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:58:11 GMT

>I lasted 3 months, sold maybe $200.00 worth of products, made .. who knows,
>finally got too embarrassed trying to talk people into coming to meetings and
>always hounding them.

Indeed, the plan I've made and am trying to follow allows for one new recruit
every three months.

The plan is a three to five year plan.

I buy close to $120 myself, for things I use around the house.  All the 
products are good, environmentally friendly, and yes, a tad bit expensive
unless you join up.

There is NO need for an inventory.  I never have any... NONE... ZIPPO!  ZERO!

Yes, if your at the bottom of the network, you don't make much money.  But
then again, consider that there is only about 1.4 million AMWAY distributors
around the world.

I don't think it's that hard to recruit one person every three months.  I also
don't think it's hard to sell some products personally.  I have a catalogue
which has prices almost exactly like Canadian Tire.  I get 15-20% off 
everything.  Not bad in fact.  I've probably saved 100 bucks on stuff recently.

The whole plan is for people who want to spend maybe 2-3 hours a week on it.
Most people are busy and are not going to quit their jobs to do it.  The plan
calls for about $35-$40 in 3-5 years.

Actually, you have to be 18 to sponsor, and 16 to join.


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From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: Re: REQUEST - List of BBS's in the K/W Area
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Distribution: kw
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 22:28:40 GMT

In article <Bvppv0.9nE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> bdcrafto@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Crafton) writes:
>I saw such a list posted here last year.  Could someone please repost
>an up to date list (if one exists).

I don't run a BBS, but if you need a cheap *personal* USENET news/mail 
feed, I'm the one. Drop me a line if you (or anyone else out there 
who's reading this) are interested.

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From: pcormier@bfield.uucp (Paul Cormier)
Newsgroups: kw.general
Subject: Re: Small Business Opportunity
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:58:25 EST
Organization: Bakers Field BBS

I was once involved in Amway when I was younger (believe it or not someone got
me when I was 16).  I was dragged to meeting after meeting with people telling
the group about how great things are.

I'm sure if you worked at it long enough you'd do well, it's the constant
pressure to find people and bring them in that turned me off.

Amways' products are actually quite expensive.. all of them are.  The catch is
most of it is concentrated and they use that as the selling feature.  (Mind you
they sell more than cleaning products and all other stuff that can be
concentrated..).

I lasted 3 months, sold maybe $200.00 worth of products, made .. who knows,
finally got too embarrassed trying to talk people into coming to meetings and
always hounding them.

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From: mvselst@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Van Selst)
Subject: Re: Women's Prison
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:15:25 GMT


Does anybody know of any literature re:support group effect on
recidivism.  The issue is whether an ``isolated'' prison would 
do more or less good to society as a whole... If the prisoners 
(and prison staff) are to receive less ``outside'' contact due
to isolation so that they are ``safer'' to society while in prison
is the cost that prisoners are more succeptible to recidivism 
once out ?
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