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From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Weapons
Summary: barbell poles
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:42:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23343
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <1992Jul28.132934.25308@cbnews.cb.att.com>, yy@cbnews.cb.att.com (alan.j.lapenn) writes:
	In article <1992Jul27.172345.10586@unixg.ubc.ca>, sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger) writes:

    > Most of those monks only carried a staff into that battle.  Of course
    > the staffs they carried were iron and weighed more than 30 pounds
    > apiece.  (You might want to build yourself up for that one. :))]
    
    Actually I have trained at home with an iron pipe as a staff off and on in
    order to build up strength ( upper body, arms and hands), this has worked out
    well for me. It also makes it easier to use some of the long weapons that I 
    use during training.

This is a great way to work on staff forms.  I have used hollow pipes
and barbell bars.  They are great for building strength, but you still
need "normal" weight ones to develop snap and focus techniques.


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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Starting back...
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:13:12 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <24101@castle.ed.ac.uk> jamesh@castle.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton) writes:
>Due to my hip problem, my back is quite sensitive(the muscles are
>Also I am thinking of taking up either Ju Jitsu or Aikido as well. Would
>this be a good idea? Are throws liable to do my back in? 

	I don't think you should study anything that involves lots of 
falling if you have a bad back.  The most common injury I've seen in 
falling practice is a hurt back.  The second is a shoulder separation
from a sloppy roll.
From: Sydney_Bauman@Brown.edu (Syd Bauman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Any Judo Near Portland, Maine?
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:06:21 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Reply-To: Sydney_Bauman@Brown.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
Summary: Wanted: info on Judo near Portland, ME
Keywords: Judo, Portland
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

Does anyone know of any judo clubs / classes / teams in the vicinity
of Portland, Maine?  I've already tried the yellow pages and asking
a local karate sensei.
                       Thanks.
Syd Bauman
Sydney_Bauman@Brown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: groome@oxmyx.lab (J. Andy Groome)
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Reply-To: groome@oxmyx.lab
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:26:41 GMT


In article 711850388@sfu.ca, seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah) writes:
>I don't think I'm cut out to do martial arts.  I would hesistate to hurt
>even a big nasty dog attacking me.  Some compassion thing, I guess.
>At most, I would probably stand about
>and do non-dangerous defensive actions, or just DODGE LIKE CRAZY.

until what?  until one of you gets tired and goes home?  
I thought you didn't study martial arts, this sounds like a skilled aikidoka :)

>Does martial arts reduce one's conscience, or do dogs from hell that
>try to eat innocent people walking to school  not deserve any
>consideration.

I love animals, and I love people, but I would have no more compassion for a 
"dog from hell" trying to kill me than a 'person from hell' trying to kill me or
someone else (wife, kids ... [endless hypothetical situations cut]  ).

IMHO a principal to strive for is to resolve confict.  I picture the perfect martial
artist studing years to learn how *not* to hurt people (dogs too, ok) in every 
situation, but at the same time knowing he could be as lethal as necessary.  
I think this would fill a person with a compassion for life.  I will have a better
answer in about 50 years :)

>^- not a flame, just curious.
>
>Simon
>


Just my $.02,
Andy

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From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: <None>
Summary: re: women, training, & violence
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:31:40 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I have been reading these posts with interest, being a female MA.  I seem to be
an unusual case.  I started taking MA for the discipline, not to mention the
ability of kicking some guy's butt was a definate plus.  I thought it looked
cool, and the "violence" didn't bother me at all.  Gee, I thought it was
training.:)  

Best experience I had as a higher belt was being teamed with a guy in the back
row to do basic one-kick, one-kick moves (we were working with the white belts
at the time, and they were being groomed to start sparring.)  This guy looked
at me with that look "Oh, a girl."  So, when we started I went at him!  He
grinned with pleasure and we pretty much beat the crap out of each other.  

Maybe women have to prove themselves to be treated like one of the guys in
sparring.  I always had the understanding that in order to do something "they"
did I was going to be hit as hard and hit hard back, not to mention train as
hard.  I don't want anyone making it easy for me as for anyone else.  

As for other female members in the class.  Alot of the white belts were
sorority types who didn't take the class seriously, didn't want to be hit, and
giggled alot.  Higher belt female members numbered about three and myself.  One
of them continued only because her dance training made her excellent at forms. 
Sparred OK.  

I think that the reason alot of women date/have relationships within the school
are because they both enjoy MA and both hopefully have a passion for them--not
to mention an instant sparring partner to practice with.  MA, in my experience,
also attracts men who like what they do, comfortable with themselves, and
respect others who practice the art.  Already, we respect each other.  As for
men who are not MA and are discouraging female practitioners.  Drop 'em.  It
won't stop at MA, it seems they won't respect anything you do.  

jaa ne,  Akane
 
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From: rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski)
Subject: Some comments from an aikidoka (was Re: Pros and cons of judo.)
Keywords: judo, self-defense
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:47:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.164530.7875@ms.uky.edu>, satadd00@nx27.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken) writes:
[Various comments about other sports deleted]
> 
> I've seen a few demonstrations of aikido, and I was,
> unfortunately, unimpressed.  Probably because it was a demo, the
> fallers took a dive at the sleightest touch of the thrower.
I, like I'm sure you and other people, have given demo's to general
crouds at some meeting, convention, etc..  Of course these demo's are
usually to impress the uninformed/slightly informed observer.  Some
moves don't even have anything to do with the style.  I don't expect a
demo to show anything more than the intended crowd can understand or be
amazed at.  But I still like to watch them and learn/analyze/whatever.

> Also, they used a lot of wrist-locks and arm-locks, which, in my
> experience, are almost impossible to get on an alert, STANDING
> opponent.  I will (and you should) give them the benefit of the
> doubt, however, and presume that the fallers are not so
> accomodating when anxious eyes aren't watching.
I hope this doesn't start another meaningless thread of what
works/doesn't work, but in my limited experience working part-time as a
police officer and other situations on the street, I have found wrist
locks with an occasional follow-through of an arm/head lock have always
worked.  Now before anyone else jumps in here, these cases are limited
to approaching someone, usually from the front, but includes some side
and rear approaches (no snide remarks here :-) ) and are no more
aggressive than a haphazard punch/charge by the person I'm approaching. 
In all cases (~12-15 that I think I remember) I was prepared for
aggression and started my defense or attempt at control with some type
of wrist control.  None appeared to be immediately life-theatening.  The
drunk with a holstered gun, I did have to turn around first, but in that
case I wouldn't have depended on pain to control him but rather pushing
through him to get him to move where I wanted him. These actions are
based on what I felt comfortable doing with my level of experience.

> In the end, I think you should visit the clubs you are
> interested in, and decide if you think you would practice there
> continuously for a year or more.  If so, join.
Good advise Scott.  I would add that don't misunderstand the intentions
of an enthusiastic student you might first meet when you walk into a
small club.  They may appear to be TOO eager to pull in new members and
might steer you away from a really good club.
-- 
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:19:07 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <H!S-hWA@engin.umich.edu> ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.173404.1232@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>|In article <Brsont.Bnu@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher) writes:
>|>Hmmm...
>|>
>|>The Quantum Mechanics of board breaking?  I'm not too sure if that's the way
>|
>|OK, OK, OK...let's get a board, some cyanide, a karate-ka in a cat suit, and
>|a BIG airtight box...
>|
>|This is, of course, the famous Schrodinger's Tameshiwari thought experiment.
>|
>|The cat suit is *not* optional.
>
>Ah, but what if you have, say, a demon -- very small (this ties in
>with the Demonic Breathing thread from a while ago).  And he's
>operating this window.  If a punch is coming in fast enough he opens
>the window, and if it isn't he shuts it.  Thus, the punches on one
>of the window will be faster than those on the other.

Of course, if you look at them they go somewhere else...

Steve
From: mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl (Valk v/d M)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: C'hi Kung Training
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:43:57 GMT

thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:

>In article <EeQlA1W00iU4Q5CVwe@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>>	Recently, I've read some material which seems to indicate that
>>the qi gong danger was overblown, and that the PRC government had
>>political motives for the clamp down.

>I happened to have caught the last 15 minutes of a PRC propaganda movie
>on how some elite army types are training in hard chi kung..  complete
>with the required demos of people getting concrete slabs busted on
>top of their heads, poking holes in bricks and getting run over by trucks.

>The paranoid conspiritorial side of me (  :-)  )  wonders if the PRC
>govt would want to limit who gets such powers (i.e. the military),
>just like some gun-prohibitionists here want to steer us towards
>a police state  :-)

Nonsense! Anybody in the PRC can learn qigong! These 'powers' are in no way
limited to some elite corps! A friend of mine who has studied medicine in the
PRC and recently came of to the Netherlands, has told me that qigong is very
popular among the average Chinese, just like taiqichuan.


--
Martijn van der Valk				e-mail: <mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl>
Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
De Boelelaan 1081A, 1081 HV  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo/re:Garth
Date: 30 Jul 1992 20:11:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dojo.west.sun.com

In article 293@ccsvax.sfasu.edu, z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu () writes:
>I am a Judo player from Texas, currently working on my black belt.  I've been 
>in Judo for 3 and 1/2 yrs.  I am new to the net.  Other Judoka,feel free to let
> me know you're out there.
>
>In response to Garth,
>Contrary to popular belief Judo is a very practical art.  Every technique in
>Judo has practical applications.  I don't know how much you know about Judo,
>but if you throw someone who doesn't know how to fall or if you throw someone
>in throws that are modified for the street, chances are they won't be getting
>up; depending on the amount of control you use.  It doesn't matter what art you
>choose as long as you choose one... You won't regret it.

Think you got the names mixed up...this is sort-of what I said in reply to
someone elses post asking about Judo (and other MA).

	-Garth




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From: westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: SDS JKD SEMINAR MONTERY CA
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:35:20 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA
Originator: westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil


	Gary Dill is one of the students who attended Bruce Lee's Oakland Jeet
Kune Do school. He is now head of Self Defense Systems and the Jeet Kune Do
Association. He has been active in the martial arts for over 30 years and holds
Black Belts/Sashes in Kempo, Karate, Ju-jitsu, Aiki-jitsu and Gung Fu, as well
as Jeet Kune Do..

	Gary Dill has consented to give a seminar in SDS Jeet Kune Do in 
Monterey, CA on either Saturday, November 7th or Saturday, November 14th. We
will schedule this seminar when we get five more people who are willing to
make a firm commitment to attending this seminar. This is so that we will be 
assured of getting enough money to cover Sifu Dill's airfare (from Oklahoma),
food and lodging. The fee for those who pre-register will be $50 for the entire
day.

	If interested, email me at westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil, or call (408)
372-1821.

-Eric
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Who are these guys?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:55:42 GMT

In article <14o458INN6hm@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:
>
>So, can you folks tell me who these people are, and whether it's 
>worth $15 to see them in some cheesy demo?
>
>           Moses Powell
>           Wally Jay
>           Bill Owens
>           Luther Secrease
>           Jim Larkin
>           Anton S.A. Muhammad
>           Mestre Beicola
>           William Lewis
>           Phillip Wong
>           Troy Dunnwood
>           Victor Tella
>           Mike Esmailzadeh
>           Reginald Burford
>           Mark Miller

Let's see, it's not April 1, so I don't THINK this is a joke posting.
My God man!  Run out and get a ticket!  $15 to watch the likes of
Wally Jay alone is worth it!  I don't know what shape Moses Powell is
in these days, but his name is legend.  I imagine a lot of the other
people are younger masters, but if they are associated with Powell &
Jay, this ought to be a great demo!

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM (Garth)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: women, training, && violence
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:49:47 GMT
Reply-To: garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: dojo.west.sun.com

In article 5104@walter.cray.com, radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>In article <3342@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>>	So, my questions are "What can be done to help people, and female
>>people in particular, get over this mental block of hypertrophied pacifism
>>so that they can benefit from learning to deal with violence,
>
>..... change all of western society and its socialization of the sexes.

Well, if that's all, let's get to it. ;-)
>
>>and is my
>>perception that women are more subject to this...confining...point of
>>view accurate or colored by my personal experience, and does anyone agree 
>>that the first step to taking back the night might be to stop having to be
>>afraid of every half-assed punk with a gleam in his eye" ?
>
>You don't really think your "Sweet Magnolia" is just afraid, do you?
>
>Let's not forget the "weak and helpless and dependent = feminine" and
>"feminine is a good thing for females" attitudes that are dominant in this
>society (not to mention the raft of complementary cliches for males).

Esp. for a woman that is larger...Big women often tend to feel un-feminine,
and have to try twice as hard to make-up.

I have always been attracted to butch women myslef.  My current SO
takes MA with me (she is even more of a "Natural" than I am!), even if
she doesn't train as much.  I have gone out with women that were stronger
than me, and were prob. better fighters to boot.  I have never understood
why men like simpy women, but I guess many men feel threatened by the whole
thing and try to keep women down.  Women get enough of this all their life
in subtle and not so subtle ways, it's not to hard to understand why they
don't try to enter "manly" sports.  

>
>I suspect if you referred to your "Sweet Magnolia" as your "Kick-Ass Carnation"
>very few people would think this to be either normal or complimentary? (I don't 
>think "Sweet Magnolia" is either, but I am assuming you are being facetious).
>

Hey can I use this, my SO would love it!

>
>C'mon, "Wharf Rat", you're not really so oblivious to the socialization
>of the sexes from even *before* birth in this country, are you?
>
>You're just trying to stir up a hornet's nest over here in quiet, gentle,
>peaceful, respectful, humanity-loving rec.ma, right ? 

Sounds like you hit the nail on the head...

-Garth




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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:51:44 GMT

In article osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>I broke the top off of a Gerber MarkII. And it wasn't very difficult. 
>
>	Well shoot, it's only a 420 alloy and using it to pry the concrete
>	top off your septic tank isn't exactly what the knife was designed
>	for.  Sheesh.

Yeah, what *were* you trying to do with that poor knife?

>>As for pocket type blades, I have a Benchmade folder that is relatively
>>decent. It was only 40$, has a lame stainless blade, but its easy to
>>open one-handed, and has a pretty big belly for a 3.5" blade.
>
>	Can't beat a Clipit.  Granted they are a bit expensive, but IMNSHO
>	are well worth the $$.  But they have proven hard to keep a hold of.
>	So far I've lost 2 Workers and a Delica.  I guard my new Co-Pilot
>	with my life... stay away!  BACK!

I agree.  I carry a Clipit Endura.  Love that funky Spyderco
edge.  And, at a price of less than $40, you can afford to walk
away from it if you have to.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: maarrrk@ruapehu.Caltech.Edu ( Mark Alan Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:58:08 GMT
Reply-To: maarrrk@ruapehu.ece.ucsb.edu ( Mark Alan Erickson)

>	-Andy the rabid

Andy!  do you have an e-mail address?

--maarrrk (maarrrk@ruapehu.ece.ucsb.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hot water
From: Jan Paul Barends <V50ZJP@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 11:33:18 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <1992Jul22.095347.16@antioc.antioch.edu>, mbaya@antioc.antioch.edu
says:
>and is it also true that Hot/boiling water will freeze faster than
>cold water? I know I heard this somewhere a long time ago. Why does it
>do this?
Boiled water having lost its dissolved gasses will freeze at
a higher temperature then water that hasn't been boiled.
It doesn't have to be true that you can speed up making ice by
first heating the water to remove the gasses and cool it down then
cool it directly to a slightly lower freezing point. Then again,
putting hot water in the freezer might stimulate the thermostat
more.
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AIX V50ZJP@HASARA61 or @diamond.sara.nl         Department of Physiology
Phone: (work) 020-548 2017; Fax:6613569         Free University (Amsterdam)
vd Boechorststr. 7, kr. A101; 1081 BT Amsterdam The Netherlands
From: dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Knives, pressure points, and Kadena de mano
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:42:35 GMT
Organization: 3Com Corporation

In article <1992Jul24.103402.2716@mtroyal.ab.ca> sboland@mtroyal.ab.ca (Steve Boland) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.155958.7860@pony.Ingres.COM>, simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis) writes:
>> I attended a seminar/workout last Sunday in the Filipino art of
>> Kadena de Mano. If ever you want to learn about knife fighting,
>>..... 
>> Suro* Mike Inay also taught us several unarmed techniques which were
>>..... 
>> * "suro" - "sensei" equivalent, "master" or "teacher"
>     ^^^^
>I think this should be Guro.

 Suro is the Ilocano, a Philippine dailect, term for teacher. John Simutis
 used the correct term.    

 /Danny
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman)
Subject: Abominable Abdominals
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 09:14:23 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Several months ago there was a thread on this newsgroup concerning a
book about situps, leglifts, and other means to strong stomach muscles.
The book was called something like _Abominable Abdominals_ and was
highly recommended.  If anyone knows what I'm talking about and has a
copy handy, could you please give me some information -- ISBN, title --
stuff like that?

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Weapons in Aikido
Organization: just me
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:27:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Keywords: Easy

In article <59139@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul17.213428.23549@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
>>>In article <9832@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
>>>(David Poore) writes:
>>>> Sounds like a weiner to me.
>>>This always brings out the wurst in you, eh?  ;-)
>>
>>ouch!
>>
>>I guess you dogged me with that one.
>>
>>(This could get ugly folks)
>
>     I guess that as a vegetarian, I'll have to abstain from this round. 
>
>     Ah well. Hummous longer could it go on, anyway?
>
Let's have a little peas here, okay?  Some of us have to earn a celery,
and can't sit around mincing words.  Okhray?

		David Pipes
robear@digex.com
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taijiquan
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:12:32 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

It sounds like t'ai chi chuan is exactly what you're looking for.  Others
may have different suggestions, of course.

Al