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From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:46:47 GMT

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>   Another strategy is to make a joke of the sort where they have to
>   think twice about whether they've been insulted or not, and then have
>   the crowd laugh.  Some big American girl was telling me to "go back
>   where I came from" because I stood up for these other girls when she
>   cut the line.  I said, "I'm sorry there's no going back for you, wherever
>   you popped out from."  Giggles from the chorus.  Bully slinks off.

In a lot of ways this is the most intriguing part of your post.
I've hear it before from other people, usually intelligent people,
and I recall some of my friends actually using it, although they
did not seem to have any rationale.

What do you suppose is going on?  (Discursive dynamics,
interaction pattern, whatever.) It sounds a lot like the old, "If
you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t."
But how does it work?  Does it require an audience that defines
the would-be bully as silly?

I tape all the episodes of sitcoms that seem to deal with bully
victim relations.  There's an episode of _Head of the Class_ where
the Dennis character gets into a confrontation with the character
played by Rain Pryor and uses humor to make her look silly.  I
haven't used it that much but I think I'll have my patients
deconstruct that episode and see what they come up with.

>   Even though I talked about the times I fought back, I want to mention
>   that I did it in a way that ended the confrontation.  In other words,
>   none of my elbow punches or kick to the shin led to a greater escalation.
>   I would say first, "Stop that, or else."  And if they poked me again,
>   I'd say "I said stop that." and back it up with a punch.  And then
>   I'd walk away confidently.  No one (at least none of those bullies
>   with low self esteem) ever ran after me to jump me.  Sometimes you can
>   face off someone and stare them in the eye (preparing where your
>   blow will land if they don't back down).  And then act like they're
>   hysterically uncool by saying, "What's the big deal?  Chill out, man."

So you both punched (and used the magic word "stop") _and_ walked
away.  (I wonder if two wolves avoid an unwanted confrontation by
having one of them walk away confidently after the first nip.)

However, you make it clear that you were ready to back it up and
fight if you were forced to.  Could you have carried it off if you
had really believed that the other person could lick you easily
and was mean enough to want to do it, and had plenty of friends to
back h/er up both physically and emotionally?

--
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From: sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (S. Meikle)
Subject: Re: Cute kid "tricks"
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:11:17 GMT

In article <1b4k9dINNkbu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>
>     As we approach "trick or treat" season, I wondered what some of the
>funniest tricks/pranks you or your kids have pulled are.  Everyone has
>seen a tree toilet-papered, but what are some unusual ones?

Well, I have a friend who is rather electronically inclined....
The clocks in his high school were centrally controlled, and it seems
that in his senior year, they spent a lot of time running backwards, or
zooming forward at high speed.  He also has the best collection of second
hands I've ever seen (all of them except the principal's office).  At 
graduation, the line was "We'll miss (name deleted to protect the guilty)
but at least the clocks will run..."

Sian
-- 

sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca                                  Sian Meikle
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria)
Subject: Re: Object not to Barbie, but Popeye cartoons!
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:45:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.184059.20446@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>All of this argument about Barbie influencing sex stereotypes and how
>damaging this can be to children reminded me of a cartoon I watched
>this past weekend.
>
>We were grazing across the channels when we passed a cartoon.  Brian
>(who's 3) immedialtely said he wanted to watch the cartoon.  It was
>Popeye.  We stopped. Brutus and Olive Oyl were enjoying dinner togetner
>when he wanted more--he tried to kiss her.  She said no and tried to
>push away.  Brutus just grabbed her, threw her across his shoulder and
>walked away with her.  She was hitting him and yelling help.
>Now if that doesn't make you want to scream, what does?  I would
>much rather my daughter (and son) play with a Barbie who says, quite
>truthfully "Math is hard" than watch a brutal man have such disragard
>for a woman's rights.  Instead of writting Mattel, we should write
>Warner Brothers (is that right?) for making and distributing such
>obvious infrigements on women's rights.
>
>Jennifer

But every little kid who watches Popeye knows that Brutus is the bad guy.
He never gets the girl in the end.  Popeye always wins because he's the
good guy who treats Olive Oyl with respect.  I am thinking just the 
opposite of you and think Popeye is a good carton because children learn
by example.

Denise
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:23:55 GMT

Well, as long as we are really going to town on this one ...

I has a teacher in high school named Mr. Indian (no, he was not any
flavor of Indian, either).  Try calling up a restaurant -- "Hi, I'm
Mr. Indian, and I want to make a reservation ..."

Then there was Rich Brown who married Sandy Banks, so now they could 
be "Rich Brown Sandy Banks".

-- Misty
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From: traite@puccini.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.women
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:12:10 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Harvard School of Public Health, SDAC

ok,  Here's a few more:

When I was  a student at the University of Massachusetts/Amherst
in the mid/late 1970's there was a doctor at the health service
named Dr. Clapp.

I was named after my *grandfather* Shirley, 
 one of his brothers was named
Beverly.

Over the years friends and acquaintances have occasionally called me "Shirley
You Jest"  .  Several years ago someone who didn't know me well was
trying to get  a hold of me by phone.  She was unsucessful.  Apparently,
neither the phone book nor information had a listing for a "Ujest"! :)  
Needless to say she was quite embarrassed when she found out my  
"real" last name.

 And then there's "Don't call me Shirley" .... 
___

Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |I only speak for myself.
Statistical Programmer                   |
SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:47:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3750
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <23551@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>
>I told my husband about this thread, and said I still didn't feel
>grown up, when did he think I would.  He smiled and said, "Someday
>you're going to get a card in the mail," (bigger smile), "and it'll
>say, 'dear Grandma, thanks for the neat present'"...

I don't think I'll _ever_ feel grown up, but there are times when I
definitely feel OLD, i.e.:

- when I realized that my 21-year-old nanny classed me in with her mother's 
  generation
- when I'm called ma'am at the grocery store
- when I realized I'm older than everyone on the 49'er football team
- when I stopped lusting after a little red sportscar and started thinking
  about how much stuff I could put in a minivan
- when the clothes in the Talbot's catalog started looking like something
  I might actually wear
- when I started eating Oreo cookies whole 

Judy Drake
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names for Grandmother (was: Names)
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:50:24 GMT
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

<1992Oct12.135525.17596@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH
Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct12.135525.17596@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <3628@creatures.cs.vt.edu> debra@creatures.cs.vt.edu (Debra Potts)
writes:
>>Of course, none of us called her Melvin, or even great grandma.  No,
>>we called her "Bobby," which was a bastardization of "Big Mama," which
>>is apparently what a lot of deep south grannies are called!
>
>That sounds a lot like what I called my Grandma-in-Europe (as opposed
>to Grandma-in-Chicago).  In the Czech language, the term for "grandma"
>is "babi'", pronounced "bubby".  My mother, also Czech-born, is called
>that by her grandchildren including my son!!!
>
This reminds me of what I called my Polish grandmother:  Babci (pronounced
bob-shee).  I also call my Polish aunts, "ciocci," (pronounced chu-chee).


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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 23:16:22 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


Then there is the rather prominent man named Lionel Tiger.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Subject: Re: corr. between overdue/c-sec.
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:19:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.180534.9861@schbbs.mot.com> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
>
>Does my explanation make sense? How often do post-term pregnancies (meaning
>1-2 wks post due date) end up with C-sections? If (when) I get pregnant again
>is it likely for me to be overdue again?

I don't know any of the statistics, but that's what happened to me.
(cervical gel to induce, contractions start, heart rate dropped,
c-section).  Like you, I'm interested to know if this will be more
likely to occur the next time around.  Anyone else?

-Laurel
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From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement and Labour Story
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:09:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct8.220957.1356
Distribution: na
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

Don't you feel even the slightest bit uncomfortable blabbing about your
birth in this level of detail in front of 100,000 strangers?

(In case you didn't notice, your post was also sent to soc.singles.)
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Who needs Lime Jello [tm]?  We had lasagna.....
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: UUMEME Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 07:30:51 GMT

When I was going to college, we had a fellow on our dorm floor named "Reilly
Leery"... who always was called Timothy O'Leary's brother, "REALLY Leery"...

GEEZ, how he hated that... and apparently runs into the same thing wherever he goes....

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 76 "ear" thermometers
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:59:22 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

Re: "ear" thermometers

They sound great, and I'd like to get one.  In all my baby-stuff catalogs
they are always $119.95, and it seems to be the same brand.

Questions:  Is there more than one brand?  Is one kind better than
another?  Are they always $119.95 or does anyone know a cheaper source?
I haven't seen them in stores, only in catalogs, any stores offer
them (or are cheaper?).  I haven't checked medical supply stores yet,
but there's 2 by me I should check.

Thanks...

Christine
first-time-mom-2-b 1/19/93
*************************************************************************

I remember reading here some months earlier that they sell these kind of
thermometers at Macy's and at The Sharper Image.  Don't know for how much.

Does anybody know if you can use them on newborns as well?

Kelly
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:38:28 GMT
Subject: Re: CAR SEATS vs BOOSTERS
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>I have a two year old who is 30 lbs and about the height of 
>an average three year old.  Her head is at the top of a
>car seat.  Should I have her in a car seat or a booster?

My advice is to ask your doctor.  S/he would be in a good position
to assess the safety of a booster seat for your particular child.

>Also, where is it safer, in the back of the car or in front?
>The reason I ask this is because I prefer the booster for
>convenience, but I also find it very unconfortable for her
>with it in the back of the car because when she falls asleep,
>she falls to the side.  If I have her in the booster in the
>front, I can adjust the seat to recline.  Any suggestions?

If your main objection is that your child falls to the side, I would
suggest a booster seat pillow.  I ordered one from a mail order 
catalogue (I don't remember which one, but maybe Right Start?).
The pillow fits on the booster seat and the seat of your car;
the pillow cushions the child's head on both sides.  I don't think
I've described it well, but it ends up looking exactly like a car
seat without the additional restraints that a car seat provides.
My 4 year old finds the pillow very comfortable to rest on and
she never falls over to the side when sleeping.

Good luck!
Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Juggling Work and Family
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 18:26:10 GMT

In article <2622@tymix.Tymnet.COM> dhouge@quasar.Tymnet.COM (Diana Houge) writes:

I don't care to hear from those who say you shouldn't have a baby
>if you can't afford one.

If people waited to have kids until they could afford 
them, the human race would have died out a long time ago.

You have lots of company being a working mom with an infant.  I was a single 
mom with an infant (went back to work when my daughter was 6 weeks old).  
Now, however, she's 9 and I married a wonderful man when she was 2 years 
old.  However, the first 2 years were hell.  You at least have the advantage 
of a husband (if he's a helper-husband).  Guilt is normal.  I don't 
think you can be a good parent without it.  However, with good daycare, your 
child will be fine.  You also will get into a routine and the separation 
will become easier.  



-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
From: jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Juggling Work and Family -- long term effects?
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:07:11 GMT
	<3411@isgtec.isgtec.com>
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. Seller's post is way too long to repost here (plus I have quite a
bit to say too)--and I encourage people to read it because if you are
like me--a working parent with kids in day care--your mouth will drop
open a bit and want you'll to yell in Mr. Seller's face until you go
hoarse.  However, I do respect his opinions--and they are that,
opinions.  What I find most unfortunate here is that the original poster
was not looking for this type of information---she was seeking advice,
support, maybe even a little "hey you are doing just fine" but instead
she gets the exact opposite from Mr. Sellers and I feel very compelled
to say that his response was not only unfair but void of any sensitivity
towards what SHE (and many like her) was saying. 
His concern over statistics available regarding day care and his
calculations of time spent with caregivers versus time spent with
parents lacks some basic considerations---we cannot measure these things
in numbers and expect to live according to them---we are raising (YES WE
ARE "RAISING" THEM!) children and we are all human here--trying our
best, hoping our kids thrive from all the love and support and
encouragement we give them.  Our busy lives are not only busy because of
work or because we are trying to aquire material goods, no we are
running to soccer games, school plays, PTA meetings, dentist
appointments, etc.  
Mr. Sellers believes that "quality time" is a myth.  Perhaps.  I never
really bought into that--but to assume that the time we as working
parents spend with our children is lacking in quality as it compares to
the time spent between non working parents and children is not only
pompous but also completely wrong.  When I think that there are people
out there just trying to do the best they can with what they have and
are feeling confused and guilty--- then come upon the Mr. Sellers' of
the world, I cringe.  How shattering!
Raising (YES RAISING) children has no science--it is a human
function--sure we can measure success, we can spew off statstics, and
give horrifying anecdotes--but remember--we can ALL do that--in support
of our OWN opinions.  That's politics!  So, justifying child rearing in
terms of numbers just doesn't cut it, Mr. Sellers. You were correct in
ending your post with the question--"is there a solution to this dilemna
that does not harm our children?"  We are all seeking the right answers,
Mr. Sellers, but it is exhaustingly tough to do--don't make it any
tougher on those of us who are just out there asking for the support we
need.  Thanks.  Judi Mancuso, mom of Vince, 7, Toni, 15 months     
Xref: sparky misc.kids:25704 soc.singles:27417
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 21:57:29 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct9.153618.27866@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> Why you termnator! How dare you. I used to have a macho attitude like
>that. You hate women don't you. I knew it. Kirans bitter hatred for
>women and how it rules his very existence. I think we should discuss
>this in more detail. Kiran how long have you been abusing women?

The true question at hand is which one of you learned this particularily
pernicious mode of behavior from the other.

Bwaa haa haa haaaaa!!!

By they way, how was your trip to Soviet Union last month?  You Communist
subversive you.

------------------------------------------------------------

(Uncut suprise video reaction)  "Oh!  Aren't you that Candid Camera clone on
Fox TV that is about to be cancelled?  Haven't they told you yet?"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Harry Salvini)
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:42:35 GMT

In article <3039@contex.contex.com>, liz@marvin.contex.com (Elizabeth Cyr Jones) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct13.163925.13847@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
> >In article <4570271@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:
> >>>Uhmm, interesting.  Can you tell us why you don't like Barney?
> >>
> >>I agree that Barney is good entertainment for my kids; I have no
> >>objection to them watching it.  My point was that *I* hate to watch it.
> [stuff deleted here]
> >>
> >Same here ...yuck seems real phoney to me.  But my nieces LOVE it and even
> [other deletions]
> >
> >diana
> 
> 
> Thank goodness! I thought I was the only one who couldn't stand
> Barney and the kids on the show. There's something "strange"
> about them. I'd wondered about their overacting and moronic
> smiles so much so that it crossed my mind that they were from
> some bizarre cult. (No offense intended to those who believe in
> their cult of choice.) But the kids do seem to be sort of vacant
> eyed...
> 
> liz jones

Then there's my wife and myself, who sit through the shows with Jonathan, mainly because
we enjoy the quiet time of just sitting and watching in addition to racing around the
backyard, or making the BRIO train do funny turns and riding bikes (and training bikes),
and other stuff.

Jonathan (3yo) has fun pointing out various things on the set and we talk about them.

The other thing is that when they do their songs, we do too.  It's just a fun time.

Hopefully I'm not the only one who does this with the kids???

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| O O  hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com -- Kathy's Hubby & Jonathan's Daddy  O O |
|  v    BTW: LORAL doesn't have anything to do with my opinions.    v  |
| \_/              I came up with them all on my own.              \_/ |
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: yhliu@watson.ibm.com (Yew-Huey Liu)
Subject: Jet-Lag for two long LONG plain trips
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:37:14 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Hi, everyone:

I have read the FAQ list for traveling with kids. But I still have question
about how to handle Jet-Lag problem that might happen on my daughter (3 yo).
Or is it more managable in kids than in adult or the other way around.
We are planning two LONG plain trips in the end of the year. One rt between NY and
Taiwan (direct flight) and one rt between NY and Honolulu.  And there is only
two days in between the trips. For those two days back in NY, should I let her sleep 
according to the timezone of Hawaii or Taiwan (there are 11 hours different
between NY and Taiwan and 6 hours difference between NY and Hawaii (I think)).
And also how to keep her awake once we arrive Taiwan ( it will be 7:15am), or
should I just let her take a short nap and hope she will stay awake until night
time.  Or I should just forget about the immediate trip to Hawaii. I did try
to make it as one big trip, stop by Hawaii on our way back from Taiwan. 
But there is NO seat available between Taiwan and Hawaii, and my husband has
to be there for a conference meeting.

Thanks.

Yew
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