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From: jmiller@brew.asteroids (Jeff J. Miller)
Subject: Re: Old car info needed
Reply-To: jmiller@network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:08:41 GMT

In article 920928173722@lab17.eng.auburn.edu, droland@eng.auburn.edu (David A. Roland) writes:
>While looking around on some land my Dad just bought I
>discovered some old cars, a 1941 Chevy Special Deluxe,
>a ~39 Chevy Convertible, ~42 Station Wagon, and ~35 
>School Bus, and 40-50 International Combine.  
>
>These cars are pretty rough, it looks like they have
>been here for probably 30 or 40 years and the engines are
>gone out of most of them, and the floorboards and frames
>are rusted out, but the bodies are solid enough to walk
>around on with no major body damage, all the chrome parts
>are on them and the hoods, doors, bumpers and fenders are
>fine.  Is any of this stuff worth anything?  I can go
>pull the good parts off or get the whole vehicles if they
>are but if I  decide they are not the timber people are
>going to plow over them.  So I need some help deciding.

Please... please... please don't plow over them.

Since they are so rough, the value of the cars probably isn't
worth a whole lot but the trim probably is.  If the hassle of
getting them out of there is too much, I would at least take
the trim and piece it out.  Something thats amazing to me is
that you can find forgotten items like this for less the $500
but if you wanted to buy just a fender, the fender itself could
go for that much.   go figure.


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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: Help!  Need Camshaft Specs
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 18:53:25 GMT

In article <BvIq3F.GD2@inews.Intel.COM>, bwelch@sedona.intel.com (Brian Welch) writes:
|> 
|> I am currently rebuilding the engine in my 1984 HURST/OLDS  (High 0utput
|> 307 Olds, V.I.N code 9).  The camshaft must be replaced but the original
|> is no longer in production and Oldsmobile cannot locate an NOS part.  I
|> need the specs so that I can match an aftermarket camshaft as closely
|> as possible to the original.  Location of a NOS camshaft would be ideal
|> but I have tried for two months already with no luck.
|> 
|> 
|> P.S.   I realize that this vehicle in no way can be classified as an
|> antique, but it is a rare car and I know that readers of this newsgroup
|> are good at locating parts and tracing part numbers for rare vehicles.

If the engine is factory why dont you degree the old cam? 


$0.02
Ericy
From: pc@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (pc)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: 61 FORD
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:06:53 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology
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In article <10292270.51578.5594@kcbbs.gen.nz> Steve_Baldwin@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Baldwin) writes:
>I have had really good service from Kanter Auto Supplies. I phoned them 
>up and ordered on the credit card and they were able to tell what the 
>shipping costs to New Zealand would be right there and then.
>
>I got a front end rebuild kit for a '62 Fairlane but found that I should 
>have ordered the deluxe kit as that includes a replacement top arm pivot. 
>If the '61 uses the same suspension configuration as the '62 then that 
>part is most likely to need replacing.
>
>I've spoken to others who regularly order from the US and they have 
>commented that Kanter were one of the better to deal with.

You might also want to check out Obsolete Ford Parts.  I have never ordered
anything from them, but I have a catalog of 1960-1972 parts and they
seem to have a good selection of stuff.  Their phone number is
(405) 631-3933.

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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: smiller@cwis.unomaha.edu (steven m. mlynarek)
Subject: Re: 1948 Willys Pickup
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:49:04 GMT
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: BEST way to clean rusted antique spark plugs
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:52:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Try naval jelly, if you can find any... I don't have any idea how
it will work on your spark plugs, but it used to work great on the
old body...so...choose one of your least prized ones for a test, or 
just find a useless one like out of your lawnmower and let it rust
and try it on that.....i don't know how well it will work, but it 
might....

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From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Selling '53 Plymouth - need realism on asking price
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:49:28 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <JBC.92Oct5155807@beowulf.linus.mitre.org> jbc@linus.mitre.org (John B. Campbell) writes:
>I have a '53 Plymouth 2-door in my carport that I once though I'd
>restore
>but now believe it's time to sell.
>
>It is not running, is rusty, has bad interior.  I think I can
>invest the time to get the engine alive and make it able to
>at least move down the street.  I am not under any illusions
>or emotional attachment, although I did buy the car new.
>
>My question is: Just for the satisfaction, I'd like to sell
>it for what I paid new :  something like $1,824 (have the
>invoice at home.)
>
>Is that realistic?  If not, what is?  Zero?  Should I
>try Hemmings or do their readers scorn such vehicles?
>  

I realize prices vary with location, but..... A '53 is about as undesireable
as they get, and I'm a Mopar fan. In the condition you describe, I'd say 
you'd be lucky to get $800 running.

Jeff Achenbach
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: fec@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (f.e.carey)
Subject: 57 Ford street rod
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:40:16 GMT



  >anyone think an old ford (57-58) truck would make a good street rod?

You could probably have lots of fun re-doing a 57-58 Ford pickup.
Trucks larger that a half-ton pickup would present problems which
I suspect you'd rather not deal with - ride, parts availability,...

Main stream street rodders have taken the rather narrow view that
a street rod MUST be of 1948 or earlier manufacture and many
street rod events are limited to cars of that era.  You would thus
be excluded from these events.  This may not be a problem in your
area.  The growing interest in lead sleds and fifties cars has
created several rather large events for cars of this era and trucks
of the fifties are most welcome as are all street rods.
Some of the street rod magazines provide coverage of fifties era
cars as well as the more traditional stuff.  Start reading the mags.

Frank Carey at Bell Labs                     37 Ford  400/350



Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: overland@lonestar.utsa.edu (Michael A. Overland)
Subject: Re: on that 68 continental, no manual, but that 460...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:08:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.104454.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asdch@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>	Is that '68 Continental a two door, or is it the suicide door version
>(four doors)?  I don't know about repair manuals, but I think it does matter
>that the car has the 460 4-v.  The car would not be the same without it.
>I know someone with the same car (460 4-v, 2 door), and it can do a burnout
>for miles.  This is a heavy  car and it needs that stump pulling grunt motor.
>							Dave

This is the suicide version (4 door).  The owner was most glad when he saw
the address and phone number of a place that had the shop manuals.  Hopfully
he will be able to fix this car up so it won't fall anymore than it has.  I 
really hope that he does something about the paint.  The pea green paint that
is on it now has to go (not that it is that bad, it is just ugly to look at).
If there are anymore places that might have parts for this car (such as a 
flame proof starter) please let me know.
Michael Overland
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman)
Subject: Nash hard to start when hot
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:21:13 GMT

Another one for the collected wisdom of the net:

My '37 Nash, after getting up to operating temperature (temp gauge
showing 180) and driving around for a while, is hard to start if
turned off and left for a bit, until it cools all the way back down. 
If I stop the motor and crank it again right away, it starts, but if
I let it sit for say five minutes, I've got to give it starter fluid
to get it to start again, or wait until it cools down. What could be
the problem? Once cool, it seems to start fine. 

Yours,
Richard Chapman

Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Willys Jeep problems (Take 2)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.162031.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pgheit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
"My brother is having problems with his '44 Willys Jeep.
[]
"                                        This engine starts, idles, and runs
"fine, and you can rev the engine in neutral.  When you go to take off, the
"engine backfires through the carb (ie, when there is a load on the engine).
[]
"a.) any ideas on what is going wrong?  

are you sure the plug wires are in the right order?  i recall an old
anti-theft trick on these motors was to swap two plug wires (don't
remember which two); the motor would idle, but die under any load.

"Seems that most of the stuff we run into is for the civilian type jeep with one
"windshield.  

the cj2 still had a split windshield; the cj3a didn't (the only
difference?); the cj3b had a raised hood to clear the f-head engine
which replaced the older l-head.

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Siganture files of myself in previous articles..
Date: 28 Sep 1992 21:20:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


nuff said...


(read the new one..)
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So my last quote was way off...i screwed it up.. i'll come up with 
a new one sometime soon....
From: abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: 1969 Mercedes Benz questions
Date: 6 Oct 1992 10:50:49 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct1.113431.1485@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay) writes:

|> you'll find that the carbs are 2BBL solexes with primary, secondary,

Shouldn't that be Stromberg carbs?

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From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Looking for OPEL manuals and info
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:36:01 GMT
Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged


I am looking for information on post war OPEL 4 cylinder
engines from 1945-1960.

I am interested in finding out if the OPEL Olympia 
engine was manufactured after the war, and if the parts
are interchangeable.  I recently found a 1953 fuel pump
at a swap meet that fit my 1940 engine perfectly. Now
I'm wondering what else will fit.

I'm looking for shop manuals, parts diagrams, and
specs for this engine.

Hemmings rarely has any listings, and there are too few
of these engines around for anybody to specialize in them.




                                         Larry Mayo
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Environmentalists versus old cars (long)
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:40:06 GMT


In article <1992Sep24.205740.5171@photon.com>, jbn@photon.photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
|>      I am a car person.  I drive a 1966 Pontiac Tempest and a 1972
|> Buick Estate Wagon.  Both have eight cylinders, were built before
|> the use of unleaded gas, and barely clear 10 miles per gallon.  I
|> enjoy driving them both.
|> 
|>      The environmentalists claim that the selfishness of car owners
|> is contributing to the demise of the environment.  Not true.

well, it's one of the reasons. There is absolutely no way you can deny this, 
even the latest cat-equipped microcar pollutes , and especially gas-guzzlers
like yours.  

|>The  Tempest is great for car shows, cruising, and entertaining
|> visitors.  The station wagon is wonderful for transporting bulky
|> cargo or multiple passengers.  I plan to keep those cars as long as
|> I can.  And for that reason, I want to reduce wear and tear on
|> cars.

Fine. I think that if this is what you really use them for, nobody
would call them a threat to the environment.

|>      When I drive, it's 26 miles to work each way.  That's 260
|> miles a week I put on my cars from commuting.

Plus all the other things, shopping, taking kids/family to school
etc etc etc. It's not just a simple case of your a-b commuting
distance - it's the annual mileage,  and with your cars and
their fuel consumption (and pollution)  it seems that you are
exactly the type of owner the legislation would be directed at,
if you wish to use your car as an everyday car.


|>      Once the environmentalists have defeated the automobile,
|> they'll go after population control.

Err, aren't we digressing a little. I consider myself an environmentalist
and I also a car lover, I don't see that the two are mutually exclusive, but
to drag in other subjects such as poulation control is just cheap political
scare tactics which we can well do without here!


|>      The Christians,

What on earth have they got to do with pollution control?? Again, it's
just cheap political crap, stick to the subject else you'll give
us all a complex, but that was your intention wasn't it?


|>      I am not suggesting that driver's rights be tied in with
|> nuclear power

Oh no, another subject close to our hearts :-) :-) :-).

|>      In fact, the strongest defense against a California law
|> limiting family size is the threat of Christians commuting from
|> Arizona and Nevada.

?

If this is the stand that old car enthusiasts are taking in the US 
(which I seriously doubt) then they'll just be treated with the contempt 
that they deserve! Such politics will just alienate you from your (possible)
supporters.

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: A0RY000 <A0RY@UNB.CA>
Subject: test..................
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:42:25 GMT

SORRY THIS IS ONLY A TEST. IF THIS WAS A REAL EMERGENCY, YOU WOULD
HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Old Car Emissions (Update)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:44:37 GMT

In article <2927074721@ARTEMIS.cam.nist.gov> miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller) writes:
[]
"> |> > 1)  Alternate fuels: diesel, propane, natural gas, methanol....
"> |> > 2)  Conversion of old cars to new engines (factory or otherwise)...
"> |> We're not allowed to talk about these; check the charter :>
"> Would someone please send me the charter.  
"
"Ok, that's my sarcasm again. I dont know if it's against the current
"charter, but the proposed charter for rec.autos.antique is pretty strict
"about NO modifications.

he wasn't talking about _modifications_, he said _conversions_! ;^> ;^>
(sorry; don't have my dictionary handy)

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From: droland@eng.auburn.edu (David A. Roland)
Subject: Old car info needed
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:37:23 GMT

While looking around on some land my Dad just bought I
discovered some old cars, a 1941 Chevy Special Deluxe,
a ~39 Chevy Convertible, ~42 Station Wagon, and ~35 
School Bus, and 40-50 International Combine.  

These cars are pretty rough, it looks like they have
been here for probably 30 or 40 years and the engines are
gone out of most of them, and the floorboards and frames
are rusted out, but the bodies are solid enough to walk
around on with no major body damage, all the chrome parts
are on them and the hoods, doors, bumpers and fenders are
fine.  Is any of this stuff worth anything?  I can go
pull the good parts off or get the whole vehicles if they
are but if I  decide they are not the timber people are
going to plow over them.  So I need some help deciding.

Thanks for any information,
-Al
From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Selling '53 Plymouth - need realism on asking price
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:35:55 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC

In article <JBC.92Oct5155807@beowulf.linus.mitre.org> jbc@linus.mitre.org (John B. Campbell) writes:
>I have a '53 Plymouth 2-door in my carport that I once though I'd
>restore
>but now believe it's time to sell.
>
>It is not running, is rusty, has bad interior.  I think I can
>invest the time to get the engine alive and make it able to
>at least move down the street.  I am not under any illusions
>or emotional attachment, although I did buy the car new.
>
>My question is: Just for the satisfaction, I'd like to sell
>it for what I paid new :  something like $1,824 (have the
>invoice at home.)
>
>Is that realistic?  If not, what is?  Zero?  Should I
>try Hemmings or do their readers scorn such vehicles?
>  
Getting $1824 for this car will be tough to do. I recently read an article
in Old Cars Weekly about the '49-'52 Plymouths being one of the few old cars
that are readily available, simple, dependable, yet have minimal demand 
in the market.(This era Plymouths were the last ones to still have the 
bolt-on rear fenders.) I don't know the '53 Plymouth market very well, but
a rusty car that won't run won't fetch much money (unless it's a red '57
Chevy fuel injected convertible, then the seller still wants your life
savings for a pile of junk :-(   )

My suggestion is to drop by a good newsstand and pick up a copy of the Old
Cars Price Guide. Such a car is probably considered a #5 - a restorable car.
If you're sure you want to sell it, Hemmings is probably your best bet. It's
also a good way to scope out what other people are asking for '53 Plymouths.

Of course, I'd make sure you don't hav any sentimental attachment to it since
you bought it new, and would really rather restore it. The low prices on 
these cars will work to your advantage if you start scrounging parts to
restore it.

 
Ted Brooks
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From: vancleef@netcom.com (Henry van Cleef)
Subject: Re: Chrysler Town & Country question
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 05:15:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom--posted from Andover, Mass.

In article <92269.150353WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Hello,
>I was wondering if any Chrysler buffs would know if the Town & Country
> model (besides the current mini-van) was ever available without the wood
> paneling??  Thanks!!


You are asking about a name that Chrysler has used for a variety of
models for over fifty years!

41-48 "Town and Country" were all "woodies."  "46-48 included a woodie
sedan as well as the wagon.  '49 T&C was a low-production New Yorker
convertible with wood trim.  T&C wagons through the fifties and sixties
were steel, some with decal and plastic "wood" trim like the Ford
Country squire.  I recall driving a '54 New Yorker T&C for some
time---it was a wagon on the 51-52 shell without the wood trim, but with
Powerflite full automatic, 4bbl carb, dual exhaust, and Chrysler coax
power steering unit.  As I recall, most of the other 50's Mopar wagons
did not have wood trim or decals.  Dunno if there was a Chrysler woodie
wagon in 49-50 line---recall seeing a '49 Desoto woodie which had a
roll-down rear window, and my father had a 50 Dodge woodie with the same
feature.  

On the subject of little-known and plushie woodies are also the Buick
woodie wagons.  I know of '40-53, when they were offered in the "Super"
and "Roadmonster" (sic) series.   
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