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Subject: Re: POPCORN
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:44:49 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>Here is the remainder of the flyer for those who are interested:
>
>     Enter your opinion of the order of finish (1-12) for each finalist:
>
>     A __ Star of Indiana                    J __ Velvet Knights
>     B __ Cavaliers                          K __ Freelancers
>     C __ Blue Devils                        L __ Glassmen
>     D __ Medison Scouts                     M __ Spirit of Atlanta
>     E __ Garfield Cadets                    N __ Sky Riders [sic]
>     F __ Phantom Regiment                   O __ Boston Crusaders
>     G __ Santa Clara Vanguard               P __ Troopers
>     H __ Crossmen                           Q __ Dutch Boy
>     I __ Blue Knights                       R __ Marauders
>
>     Mark the letter of the unit which impressed you most, for their
>     performance this evening in the following categories:
>
>     __ Best Musical Selections         __ Most Audience Appeal
>     __ Best Drum Major                 __ Most Exciting Performance
>     __ Best Percussion Performance     __ Best Auxilliary Groups
>     __ Best Visual Performance         __ Best Example of
>     __ Best Brass Performance             Drum Corps Tradition
>
>     Check here for a copy of the survey results [ ]
>
>The other side of the ballot was addressed to:
>
>    POPCORN
>    P.O. Box 776
>    Boston, MA 02102-0776
>
>Dare we suggest an informal Usenet Popcorn Poll?
>-- 

I'm glad that someone is trying this but annoyed at the unprofessional nature
of this survey.  Besides the multiple typos throughout, the survey forgot to
include the Bluecoats!!!!  In my opinion that basically invalidates the
statistical value of this survey.  Still, I filled mine out and sent it in,
adding the Bluecoats on my own line.

I'm curious to see the results.  I hope they try it again next year and do it
right then.

BTW, the new DCW came out today.  It didn't have the final Writer's Poll in it 
so we'll have to wait for that.  But it did have the first FIFE awards.  The
prize money was only $1000.00 and it went to ...


THE VELVET KNIGHTS

so poo paa on those of you who criticized them :-)
The fans at Camp Randall, myself included thing they are doing a fine job.

*****Last question, did the alt.drumcorps Writer's Poll come out yet?  If
so I missed it.  Can it be reposted?  Thanks.

 
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps Sandwich)
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 10:52:19 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <AeasVg_00WBL41i5oM@andrew.cmu.edu>, df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (David
James Foremsky) says:
>
>I feel that the original compositions are very important to drum corps
>and will increase in importance in coming years when corps begin to
>realize that revisiting shows like "Fiddler on the Roof" are just not
>going to cut it in top twelve competition. (not really a knock on SCV,
>but just an observation that the horn book associated with that show
>just did not cut it this year).  It is probably only a matter of time
>until corps like the Cadets and Star "run out" of music to innovate with.
>
Ummm, not too likely.  There is an almost unimaginable wealth of great music
which remains undiscovered to mainstream audiences.  In the classical vein,
composers like Balakirev, Shostakovich, Martinu, etc, etc wrote oodles of
great music.  Much of Martinu's work is only recently receiving the exposure
it deserves.  The list of composers and works goes on and on, and drum corps
has barely scratched the surface.  In fact, I wish that corps would even
expose audiences to lesser known works of more major composers.  The Cadets
are to be praised for this, but there is so much wonderful Dvorak, Mahler,
Bruckner, Nielsen, etc.... that could be exploited.  Hell, even Tchaikovsky...
Phantom, even though I love 'em, hasn't yet hit some of Tchaikovsky's better
efforts.  Yet another rehash of 1812 is not exactly expanding one's musical
horizons.  (Even Tchaikovsky hated his 1812...this is well documented).
 
>The Cavaliers' "Images Diabolique" during their 1990 and 1991 shows is
>another example of excellent music composed just for drum corps, as do
>any of the various drum solos composed every year.
>
I was under the impression that this was a published piece.  Wasn't it an
element of Maslanka's *Child's Garden of Dreams*?
 
Mike Hughes
From: C_S01798@APPSTATE.EDU (C_S1410102)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Explanation please
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:51:39 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
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In <1992Aug25.210605.11208@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa626@cleveland.Freenet.Edu write 
> 	College (King)
> 	High School (Queen)
> 	Jr. High  (Prince)
>


Drum Corps (GOD)

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From: harold@celia.UUCP (Harold Buchman)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum corps and the Media
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:56:13 GMT
Reply-To: celia!harold@usc.edu (Harold Buchman)
Distribution: world
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

I have though alot about drum corps and the media,
and why drum corps is not known to the general public.

First off, corps shows are like nuclear bomb tests, 
you hold them as far as possible from population centers and inform 
as few people as possible.
If I wasn't on a few mailing lists I would NEVER be able to
find out about up-coming shows. The promoters fail to do the
most basic advertising in college/music/arts/ publications.
But why should they when they fill their 5000 seats
with the clique crowd.
This is all particularly true for the West Coast where corps is
not part of the culture.
The situation seems to be much better in the East.

KVCR, the local cable station in Riverside does indeed broadcast their
local show, but it's hard to do a good job with the very limited
equipment that most small stations have.

In DCI Today they once mentioned that they were receiving some 
assistance from an NBC exec who was a fan, so he manages
to get them some equipment for the broadcast. This has nothing to 
do with getting the activity shown on NBC.
Drum corps is not at all suited for television. The range of scale
(from a company front to an individual dancer) and the power of the
music are lost on the small screen. You can't focus on just one performer
like a gymnast for the whole show. For me, the sound and picture seem 
detached on TV. Don't forget that having  seen shows in person, most of us
know what it's supposed to be like.  The average viewer wouldn't have a clue.

I know it's hard when you try to explain to people what corps is 
all about, and you know that they picture some god-awful high school
band raping Sousa.
I've brough a few new people to corps shows over the years, and not all
of them were that impressed. I think corps really appeals to musicians
and performers. I've really come to see that corps just doesn't do it for 
a lot of people. This may be related to the downfall of music education
which has seriously hurt drum corps and music in general.

Would drum corps really benifit from more publicity? Do you want
the World Championships to be on a par with "Gun's N Roses meets Metallica"?
Would the audience would be as nice?
Is it worth getting on TV if it means lite beer commercials between shows?
How about bigtime corporate sponsoship if the corps plays their jingle?
Would it make for better shows?
Would the performers have more fun?

The concert side of the stadium is filled already, and it seems that 
everyone who really wants to be there has a seat.


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Original Corps Compositions (was: Drumcorps Sandwich)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.013447.13553@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:

>There is one piece that I can think of.  It was in the 1987 Cavaliers
>program.  I forget what the name of it is.  I think it was written by
>one of {Maslanka, Nelson, Holsinger}.

I think that the piece you may be thinking of is the re-writing of a
David Maslanka work (can't remember the name of the original at the
moment) that was used during the middle portion of the 1989-90 shows.
After having most of the show and drill in place, the corps was dis-
pleased to find out that Mr. Maslanka did not give us permission to
use his composition. The whole piece had to be re-written so that no
portions of the original "melody" remained. It turned out to be pretty
successful, anyway. I have no idea why the composer objected to the
Cavaliers using his work. Sounds like free exposure to me.

>I felt that Prof. Cambell's little introduction to the percussion section
>in the PBS broadcast to be very informative and interesting.  I suspect that
>drum corps is fairly close to the cutting edge of percussion techniques,
>but I could be wrong (drum corps is probably not on the cutting edge when
>it comes to keyboard instruments).

This is a debatable and fairly controversial subject amoung musicians.
Drum corps has long had a reputation as a "bastard" idiom, and not worthy of
the respect of "serious" musicians. People like Jim Campbell (Cavaliers,
University of Kentucky), Fred Sanford, Tim Salzman (Cavaliers, Univ. of
Washington), John Madden (Phantom Regiment, Michigan State University), and
many others are working hard to give drum corps the reputation it deserves
as a legitimate musical idiom. There are many, though, that would disagree
with this. :-( Part of the problem is that Drum Corps percussion sections
have a unique approach and instrumentation, and cannot be compared to modern
percussion ensembles with any degree of accuracy. (IMHO)!

--Brad

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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Cadets '86 closer
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 14:27:18 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

>
>In article <1992Aug25.052334.2593@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu
>(scott radeker) writes:
>
>> I agree with your reasoning up to a point, however, you forgot to test the
>> other limiting case.  Certainly a corp which plays "Mary Had a Little Lamb"
>> while standing in a box formation won't win the DCI championships,
>> or any other contest for that matter.  A corp won't win either, if
>> they play a show that is soooo hard that they can never even hope to master
>> it.  The Cadets are a perfect example of this limiting case.  If I recall
>> the year that would have been the fourth win in a row for them, they
>> had a drill and music so hard that even at finals they looked bad.
>>
>
>The only problem with this example is that many people blame the music for
>loosing that show for the Cadets.  I can't remember the name of the tune,
>but it was the one when the guard (<20 members I believe) came out with
>those stupid raincoats and the Cadets tried to do a little jazzy routine.  It
>was simple music and they played it right, but it totally destroyed the
>feeling of the show up to that point.  All of my friends claim that I am a
>Cadets fan, but even I turn the stereo down or off when that part comes up.
>To me that loss was not due to too hard a show, but due to poor composition
>selection for the corps.  Let's face it, the Cadets are not a jazz corps.
>
 
I agree with the above assessment of the '86 Cadets....the closer totally
destroyed the program.  I wonder how many in this group remember the piece
that the Cadets originally had as a closer that year...
 
  Bernstein's "Prelude, Fugue and Riffs"  (the closer used in 1991)
 
Rumor was that the chart was so difficult that it had to be scrapped in
mid-season, hence the ugly closer (which was still Bernstein, though).
Did anyone in the group see Cadets perform PF&R in 1986 before they chucked
it?
 
Another rumor was that Cadets participated in some celebration in New York
in July 1986 (perhaps it was a Statue of Liberty celebration) and the closer
they ended up with was originally intended just to be performed at the
NY gig.
 
However, I do disagree somewhat with the argument that the Cadets are not a
jazz corps.  True, they are not in the straightforward Blue Devils type
of jazz, but noone can deny the strong jazz elements in much of Bernstein's
music, which has been the corps bread and butter for the past decade.  I
think the applicable term is that the Cadets are not a swing corps, but they
can be thought of as a jazz corps.
 
Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Reviews of performances (?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:55:05 GMT

>>Also notable absentees off the top of my head:
>>
>>     Michael Fath
>>     Bob Berry
>>     Mike Hughes
>>     Cathy Doser
>>     Doug Rank
>>     Patrick Sloan(e)?  (Is this correct, I feel like Quayle)
>>     Brad Halls
>>     Derek Cook
>>>>>> Chris Holt ???????? (Do you mean Charles Holt?)
>>     Scott Gordon Vahl
>>     
>>
>>All of vacation? 
> 
If so, then I'll just say I'm not dead, missing, infiltrating radical religious
groups (hobby of mine), or in jail.  I've just been busy with the beginning of
school.  I was at Madison for three days and might say something about the show
later if I have the time.

BTW, does anyone know how I can subscribe to these newsgroups.  I will be
graduating at the end of this semester and will be off the system I am
currently on.
					Charles Holt

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Short Memories
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:58:50 GMT

R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:

>That was in 1980, the last year SCV placed 7th. It was a ground-
>breaking drill, the first to do modern assymetrical drill (not
>just rotating the axis of symmetry--1979 27th Lancers popularized
>that by doing it in their off-the-line and again in Danny Boy,
>but 1978 Bridgemen did it in their closer "Requiem for the last
>whale" something the Crossmen should have done this year :-).
>However, the crowd and judges didn't get it.  Too bad.

Well, I was in that crowd, and I most certainly "got it."  I really
think that show was so far ahead of it's time that it's not even funny.
I still use the 1980 SCV as an example of "textbook" M&M.

Incredible.

Later,
Bob
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From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Peter Mckinney)
Subject: Re: Explanation please
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:59:47 GMT
Reply-To: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Peter Mckinney)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <1992Aug25.210605.11208@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
aa626@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Pugel) writes:
> 
> What exactly is DCI?  I know it is drum corps and bugles, but where
> does it rank in the heirarchy of marching bands?
> 
> My idea of the version of the hierarchy is:
> 
> 	College (King)
> 	High School (Queen)
> 	Jr. High  (Prince)
> 
> Where does DCI fit into the hierarchy?  Also, what are the
> requirements to join a DCI corps?   Is there age limits or what?
> Is it volunteer or do the musicinans get paid or what?
> 
> Also are there any DCI corps in the Cleveland area?
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> 	JUSTICE EVOLVES ONLY AFTER INJUSTICE IS DEFEATED


	A very good discussion of what DCI drum and bugle corps are all
about is posted as an faq to this newsgroup occasionally.  It looks like
it's time to post it again......
	To answer some of your particular questions:
	DCI does not exactly fit your heirarchy because the ambitions of corps
and marching bands are slightly different.  In general marching bands must
produce many shows (5 or 6) in a season while a drum and bugle corps will work
on only one show over the course of a year.  The quality of the *musicians* in
the top open class corps (16-21 year olds) is comparable to that of the better
college marching bands.  Indeed, they are often many of the same players.  The 
quality of the final corps *show*, however, is generally much batter than a
typical marching band because of the time they have to attempt more challenging
music and drill.
	Most corps charge members (from $300 or so to $1000) for a season of
marching to help pay for food, etc..
	The Canton Bluecoats and Toledo Glassmen are both good corps local
to your area.
	Please see the faq for any other questions.....  hope this helped!

			
					- Pete McKinney
					- pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu	
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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: Impressions--DCI Finalsdir
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:22:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.234936.6439@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>>     Also, a drum solo should be a required part of the competition.
>
>I believe drum solo IS still required, however they have become shorter and
>more integrated within a production....it is no longer a separate entity.

I WISH!

No drum solo is required. Consider all of the corps this year that
had no more than a few seconds set aside in their programs to display
the talents of their SUPERB percussion sections; GARFIELD, STAR, BLUE
KNIGHTS, VANGUARD (just to name a few). I am starting to think the
activity should be called Visual, Horn and a-little-drumming-on-the-
side-if-we-happen-to-get-some-time corps!

--Brad.


 

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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Rumors
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:07:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jgriffin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jennifer B Griffin) writes:


>	This is my first time posting, but I feel like I 
>know half the posters to this net.  I've been reading it all
>summer.  I'm ready to start adding my two cents. :)

      I bet you know me Jennifer?  WELCOME!!!!!!
Tell us, what is your association with drum corps?  A fan?
A member, ex-member? Friend of someone involved?

Ken
From: pdivine@unixg.ubc.ca (Patrick Devine)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Ginko Biloba
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:13:38 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

I remember a couple days ago some people were talking about the side
effects to Ginko Biloba.  I took it at liberty to march over to the local
health food store and get some information on the subject.  The woman at
the desk photocopied me some literature on the subject, but I am unsure of
its origin (or date).

(this is the first of two pamphlets .. neither will be printed in
entirety, I will just pick out snippets .. if anyone wants me to print out
the entire thing, drop me some mail, and if there are enough requests..)
--

   In summary, scientific studies have shown this remarkable natural
product to:
   o Improve mental function
   o Improve circulation to the brain and extremeties as well as in the
ear, nose, throat and eye areas
   o Increases the amount of oxygen and glucose to the brain
   o Helps with many of the "side effects" of aging, such as: short term
memory loss, dizziness, ringing in the ears (tinnitus), depression,
intermittent claudication, problems with equilibrium or vertigo.
   o A double blind study using EEG showed that Ginko extract increased
alpha rythm (which is the bio feedback frequency associated with mental
alertness) and decreased theta rythm (which is related to lack of
attention in elderly, and an "unfocused" state of mind) in elderly who are
showing signs of mental deterioration.

--
Does anyone know anything about alpha/theta frequencies?  This is kind of
intriguing .. what exactly does it mean..? 
--

   In what could be a step toward testing a folk remedy for modern medical
use, chemists at Harvard University have succeeded in synthesisizing the
potent substance responsible for the ancient gingko tree's enduring
reputation as the source of varied healing powers.

--
Anyone from Harvard care to elaborate on this?  The article goes on to say
that professor Elias J. Corey and his colleagues are responisble for its
synthesis.  Does Dr. Corey have an internet mailbox someone can email him at?

..

Hope this clears up some things, and creates some more questions into just
what Ginko is all about.

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of memory enhancing drugs
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 20:05:34 GMT


 I would imagine that anything that is cholinergic and can get itself
across the blood-brain barrier would enhance short-term memory. There is
of course the danger of cholinergic toxicity. This can be circumvented by
the use of methscopolamine, but then you get into tricky situations that
are really only applicable in a laboratory under controlled settings.
(Methscopolamine doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier, but vit still has
anticholinergic activity. Offsetting the cholinergic effects of the other
drug...). I have seen a study done with physostigmine where it
considerably enhanced short-term memory. Physostigmine is a poison from
the Calabar bean.

St. Anthony

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From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: OTC names for DMAE
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:12:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

s8818037@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Matthew James Leayr) writes:
: Could someone please supply the OTC names for the "smart drug" DMAE.
: Also, possible places where it might be obtained, and approximate price.
: (Australian info if possible)
: 

I believe that DMAE is the OTC name. Sorry only USA info, if nothing
else ....

Source Natural
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Scotts Valley, Ca 95066

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