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From: jaya@src.umd.edu ()
Subject: More on Spinning
Originator: jaya@newra.src.umd.edu
Organization: Systems Research Center, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:34:18 GMT


To the skater who began the spinning discussion - I tried e-mail but
it bounced! 
Please think long and hard about filing the bottom pick of your
blades! If you were using the blades for figures, this would be a good
idea, but not for freestyle. Have patience - spinning is not as easy
as it looks, and although you were able to spin well as a kid, you
may just need some time to remind your body what spinning is all about.

Many people try to spin too soon. Specifically, it is common to try to force
the spin before your entrance edge has spiraled to the natural hook - the
point at which your edge can get no smaller and you can begin to spin.

I had to struggle to learn this as well, and the best advice I received
was to learn to lean correctly throughout the spin entrance, and "let" the
spin happen, i.e. once you take the edge, lean properly, and position your
body correctly, you must simply wait until your edge decreases to a point.
It is at this point that you hit your bottom toe pick and subsequently use
it to center and balance the spin. Unfortunately it is most difficult to
explain this with words. Hopefully you are taking lessons and your
instructor can better phrase and/or demonstrate the art of entering
a spin properly. Otherwise, check any video of a (good) skater to
observe closely his/her spin entrances.

Many freestylers use blades such as the Vantage or Pattern 99, both of
which have huge bottom toe picks. The pick won't prevent you from spinning
properly - it takes time to learn to spin. Many skaters travel tremendously
for months before learning to center their spins.

Good luck!
-Jaya Kanal        
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: washing Rollerblade liners?
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:32:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


I wash my boot liners three times per year. I wash my elbow, knee, and
wrist pads twice per month. Everything is done in a washing machine
with regular Tide detergent.
From: mldickens@bbn.com (Michael L. Dickens)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Mens TRS, Lightning Forsale
Date: 5 Oct 1992 13:40:42 GMT
Organization: BBN Systems and Technologies
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mldickens@bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: flounder.bbn.com
Keywords: For, Sale, TRS, Lightning

--------
I have 2 (two :0) sets of RollerBlade skates forsale.

(1) Mens size 11 Lightning (NOT TRS). About 1.5 years old. Original
wheels but newer bearings & break. Comes with Power Straps & new laces.

(2) Mens size 10.5 TRS Lightning. Under 1 month old. Like new - new
wheels & bearings & brake. Hardly used.

Best Reasonable Offer on both sets. If you're interested & have
questions, please don't hesitate to write. Or give me a call at
(617) 873-2314.

	MLD
Newsgroups: rec.skate,news.answers
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Originator: wex@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Keywords: Ice
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:27:38 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.190037.9649@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat) writes:
|> 
|> Sorry if I was overly ironic, I was just hoping for a few smiles
|> by playing dumb about Paul and Nancy (She got the Bronze BTW).
|> The pairs program was the same as the one they did during the
|> exhibition program in Albertville.  Since they both trained at this
|> rink under the same coach, it seems natural that they developed
|> an exhibition together.
|> 
|> One of the other skaters I mentioned (Amy D'Entremont) was from Stoneham,
|> as is Nancy; must be something in the water  :->
|> 
|> In response to anothe couple of messages I received directly, I don't
|> know what their current stati (plural of status??) is, I have been told
|> that Paul is in Law school

I have since received our local weekly that does have some more info
(I don't have the article here, though).

Paul and Nancy:
a) Are now training somewhere on the Cape  (Cape Cod).
	(Has their coach relocated??)
b) Are planning on the next winter Olympics
	(Will Pro's be eligible this time?)

Paul has been accepted in Law School (several, including Harvaad) but the
	article doesn't say he's attending

Paul is about to go on tour with some show or another

Not much on Nancy's immediate plans.

The article also gave more info on all the participating skaters, I'll post
an update on those I specifically mentioned in the original posting.


-- 
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

	...Wex
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: hess@convex.com (Mark Hess)
Subject: replacing wheels
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:28:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


i have Rollerblade CoolBlades and have (in less than two months) burned up
the original wheels.  i have bought replacement wheels and now i am stuck.
how do i get the bearings out of the old wheels to put them in the new ones?
i have rotated the wheels 4 times so i know how to remove the wheels.  it is 
just when i get try to pop the bearings out by pushing on them, they don't
seem to budge.  what is the trick here?

markus 
-- 
hess@convex.com
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is.  If you don't, it's its.  Then too, it's hers.  It isn't her's.  It
isn't our's either.  It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: scase@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Scott Case)
Subject: Hairpin turns on in-lines
Keywords: turn, crossstep
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:31:59 GMT

Got a question for some of the more experienced skaters/racers on the net.
I've got a race coming up here on campus in a week and a half and the turn
around point is a hairpin turn that comes off of a hill.  So I'll be
accelerating as I come off the hill when I hit the turn.  I wonder if there
is a "best" way of tackling this turn.  Is it better to just lean through
the turn and when I'm almost clear, crossstep and accelerate, or should I
try and cross-step it all the way through?

Responses are appreciated.  Also wondering if there's a preferred method to
train for this.  It's about 2.5 or 3 miles, flat out sprint.  A friend
recommended interval training (sprint for 15 seconds, normal pace for 45
and repeat for 10 or 15 minutes).  Any other suggestions?

===============================================================================
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scase@casbah.acns.nwu.edu | "If you do a good deed, save your receipts.  Just
                          |  in case Heaven is like the IRS" --Gallagher 
                          | "If life were a class, Jesus Christ is the type to
			  |  only show up for the midterm and final."
                          |  --karl@casbah 
			  | "They'll take my inlines when they pry them off
			  |  my cold, dead feet."
			  |  --Thomas Darling@cellar.org
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From: Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Date: 6 Oct 1992 14:40:58 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I've seen some mention here about about doing figures on roller skates.  This
may be a dumb question, but could someone explain to me how this works?  Like
do you tie a magic marker to your skate, or maybe dip your wheels in ink before
starting?  On ice, figures are judged by the tracing left by the blade.  I
don't see how you can get the same effect on a floor.

			- Michel

denber.wbst147@xerox.com
From: dvolansk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Volansky)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:44:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Skating Uphill?
Organization: ISST - HP Corporate Offices
Newsgroups: rec.skate

I've found that, as a strong bicyclist, my skate climbing is improved by 
bending more at the knee.  I'm not sure why this works, but I thing that I
get forward movement not only in the stroke, but also in the extending of my
bent legs on each kick.
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:06:29 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

larrya@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Anderson) writes:

> When inlines are banned, only outlaws will skate.  8-)

They'll take my inlines when they pry them off my cold, dead feet.

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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:13:37 GMT

Guy Sitler writes

> 	Hi, My place of employment has recently banned In-Line
> skating on site.  They do allow walking, running and bicycling.
> What are the policies at other companies?

That's *sick*.

Makes me wanna go out and begin selling 'Blading is not a crime'
bumper stickers.

Things out here have gone the _other_ way, with Shoreline park now
allowing skating.  Surely your employer has better things to do
than to *stop* you from getting physically fit?

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From: stl@nic.cerf.net (Silicon Tech Labs)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: abrupt stopping of inlines
Keywords: abrupt quick sure stop stopping inline inlines
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:08:59 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

Hi netters,
I can't seem to find an FAQ in this group.  I'm just learning to skate,
and I have trouble stopping quickly.  How do I stop quickly without
using the brakes?  I hope this is not too basic a question to ask.
Thank you.
--Jimmy Chan  stl@cerf.net
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:02:42 GMT
Subject: Track info wanted
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

Does anyone in the S. SF Bay area know some good tracks to get good workouts
at?  I live in Sunnyvale and figure a 0.25 mile paved Highschool track might be
my best bet, but not in competition with the Highschool athletes.  I'd like
to skate hard for an hour before dark this winter several times a week.

thanks
Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: igman@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Igor Prahin)
Subject: AeroBlades Prices USA
Summary: AeroBlades Prices USA
Keywords: AeroBlades Prices USA
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:41:45 GMT

Hi there fellow RollerBladers,

	A friend of mine is visiting the United States (East Coast) on Sunday
and seeing that I am in need of a new pair of blades to replace my
Lightenings, I thought it would be a good opportunity to get some cheap
skates.
	The price of AeroBlades in Australia is A$490. Could someone
please mail me by Saturday, the price of this model in the US.
I would really appreciate it.

My address is <igman@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>


Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Ice Skating mailing list?
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:09:00 GMT

In <19uujdINN2lg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace) writes:


>Yes! Yes!  I was beginning to feel lost in a world of wheels lately.
>I don't begrudge the roller blaiders a place to chat, but I would
>like to see a board more directly related to Ice Skaters and their
>interests Joe K., what do you think about it?

>Jack Wallace
>Mentor Figure Skating Club
>-- 
While I am basically an artisitic ice skater I have learned a  lot from all the
postings in this group.  I've personally been inspired  to learn a lot about	
artistic and dance roller skaking from this group, even going so far as regularly
taking dance and freestyle lessons on quads with some top coaches.   I also
love inline  skating and am learning some artistic moves on them.

The question of having a separate newsgroup on ice skating, which I assume	
would be artistic ice skating as opposed to hockey and speed, is a tough one.
If ice skaters are inhibited by the variety  of postings than that needs to
be looked at and maybe a separate newsgroup is needed. It means someone
has to start it, maintain it and whatever else is necessary.

As for me, I like one newsgroup because everything here helps my skating,
but I could always read the other groups. New skaters, however, might not
be so inclinded to read 2 or 3 newsgroups on skating. Certainly there are times
when ice skating has dominated the news. I think whatever most ice skaters want
to do and what is best in meeting their goals in reading the newsgroup should
be the determining factor. These are not necesarily the same. A separate 
newsgroup would miss some of the exchanges between the quad, inline, and
ice skaters. 


-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
From: yoshizu@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Charlene Yoshizu.00004007)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:51:37 GMT
Subject: Night Blading in CA, South Bay Area
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skate



It's getting tougher and tougher to do my blading after work nowadays.
Can anyone tell me if there are any decently LIT places, parking lots, to 
blade in AT NIGHT in the south bay between Palo Alto and San Jose?

david_edrich@ptltd.com 
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: nazgul7@athena.mit.edu (Michael J Seidel)
Subject: Re: Inline wheel question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:25:36 GMT

In article <Cohena-011092080009@l30346.mdc.com>, Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen) writes:
   [majority deleted]
|> On a different note......
|> Anybody ever try playing frisbee on skates????

no, not yet, but I have tried Lacross on skates...
after all, Lacross is a lot like hockey =)

we've been playing 'no contact', but then ive been practicing with womens lacross
players and womens lacross is non-contact...

anybody else out there?
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kanarick@media.mit.edu (Craig M. Kanarick)
Subject: Re: Hairpin turns on in-lines
Keywords: turn, crossstep
Organization: The Visible Language Workshop
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:25:04 GMT


>Responses are appreciated.  Also wondering if there's a preferred method to
>train for this.  It's about 2.5 or 3 miles, flat out sprint.  A friend
>recommended interval training (sprint for 15 seconds, normal pace for 45
>and repeat for 10 or 15 minutes).  Any other suggestions?
>

Well, interval training is good, but I wouldn't bother just sprinting
for 15 seconds.  If you want to do a speed workout, you'd be better off
sprinting for 60 to 90 seconds and then normal pace for a minute.  
The harder you push yourself, the more you'll get out of it.

-- cmk
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From: mldickens@bbn.com (Michael Dickens)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: NY Skating?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:44:36 GMT
Organization: BBN Systems and Technologies
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mldickens@bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: flounder.bbn.com

--------

I'm finally getting a chance to visit New York, specifically, Manhatten
(I think). I'm wondering about a few things:

(1) Will it be warm enough to skate?

(2) If (1), where does one go to skate? Are there any special rules that
one must look out for?
--------
On a different note, but relating to (2):

I've heard that, starting next year, the MDP (the Police who rule over
the Charles River path) are going to set a SPEED LIMIT on the path!!!
The person I heard from remembered a cop saying the limit would be
something like 5 or 10 MPH (not that most of us know exactly how fast
we're going). But what really got me is that this ISN'T supposed to
apply to bikers or runners or any other form of non-motorized
transportation. :(

This is all hearsay right now. I'm wondering if it really IS going to
become real (like the speed limit for motorized boats on the Charles
being 5 MPH)???

	MLD
From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Anyone Know Anything @ Bauer Rollerblades?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:46:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com


Well, I've finally talked my husband into rollerblading!!!!  Now, the search is on.
We have both tried the Rollerblade Zetra and the Bauer X3.  The Bauer is
alot lighter but, we weren't realy comfortable with the lack of ankle support.
The salesperson said we would get alot more speed out of the Bauer (we
are not concerned with this aspect as we will only be using for fun, not
racing).  Bauer obviously knows something about making a boot but, what
about rollerblades?  He said the Bauer was alot better deal.  Any comments or
suggestions?


Thank you --


Tammy
From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Stretching
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:36:25 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs


I recently had the pleasure of watching a well-known skater zoom around our
local rink.  What amazed me (aside from the triple axels and heart-stopping
death drops, of course :-) was the fact that he spent a good 25 minutes
stretching before getting onto the ice.  Never having spent more than 5
minutes stretching myself, I tried stretching for 25 minutes the next time
I skated.  It made such a difference that I've decided to do it every
time I skate.  My muscles were warmed up, I didn't have to take my usual
10 to 15 "practice laps", and I just generally felt much more in control
of my skating.

Here are some of the warm-up exercises I saw:

  1. Sit on the floor with your legs as far apart as possible, and lean
     forward to stretch the hamstrings.

  2. Sit on something high enough so that the feet don't touch the floor,
     and rotate the ankles 30 or 40 times in both directions.

  3. Standing in a clear area, let yourself fall forward, breaking your fall
     at the last possible moment by putting one of your feet in front of you.
     I saw him do at least 20 on each foot.

  4. Sprint across the off-ice area.  Walk back to your starting point,
     and repeat at least 7 or 8 times.

Anyone have other stretches that work well?

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From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: abrupt stopping of inlines
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:31:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

| I can't seem to find an FAQ in this group.  I'm just learning to skate,
| and I have trouble stopping quickly.  How do I stop quickly without
| using the brakes?  I hope this is not too basic a question to ask.

Just keep an eye on this group.  The FAQs get posted on a regular basis.

Stopping in a hurry depends a lot on your current skill level, what 
protection you are wearing, and how fast you are going. "quickly" is
a relative term.

Staying in the realm of practical (as opposed to stylish or fancy),
a well practiced 'spin stop' is proably the quickest stop for slow to 
moderate speeds. 

If you positively, absolutely MUST stop (or roll out into fast traffic)
then just fall down, and let your protection do the work.  It's much better
to be seen picking yourself up from the ground than riding on the hood of 
someone's car.

Er...by 'fall down' I mean use your knees, elbows, and wrist guards when you 
reach the ground. 
Newsgroups: rec.skate,news.answers
From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
	<1992Oct1.210228.1555@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:57:00 GMT

kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:

   I saw Paul Wylie perform in the Olympic champion tour several
   months ago.  He was definetly one of the best perfomers in the
   show.  After seeing how great he really is in that exhibition, I
   wonder why he never did better than second or third in an Olympics
   (he's been around awhile: I think he's almost 30).

Paul's had a whole series of problems in competitions -- I've seen
several of his performances where he's just seemed to have gotten too
tight or lost concentration going into a big jump and he ended up
making a big splat on the ice instead.  Some times he skates
brilliantly and other times he seems to have problems just standing
up.  He's rarely had a competition where he's skated well in all
phases of the competition.  He came very close to winning the national
championship in 1990 but Todd Eldredge beat him out by virtue of a
better finish in the figures competition, for example.  I think that
part of the problem was that he wasn't training as seriously as he
needed to while he was a student at Harvard.

But I agree, when he skates well he's terrific to watch.  He has a very
nice musical sense that seems to be totally lacking in most of the
younger skaters.

-Sandra
From: ford@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew P Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Formula for street-poles??
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:54:15 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Quick question:

Anyone got any suggestions for making up poles to use while slaloming down
the street??  What kind of poles?  What to use on the ends? etc?  Any info.
or comments would be appriciated.


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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Eddy Matzger wins Athens to Atlanta in rain
Organization: HoloNet Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:49:53 GMT

Eddy Matzger of Berkeley, CA won the 11th anual Athens to Atlanta Race in
5 five hours one minute, narrowly edging out John Lowden of Boulder.

Why so slow, you ask?  Well, its because we ran the whole damn thing in the
rain!  I have never seen anything like this before.  My bearings are frozen
solid.

I'll post something more substantial when I have more time.

Kimon Pahahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net