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From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Subject: Re: NARCISSUS!
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:01:24 GMT

In article <106203@bu.edu>, dauria@csa.bu.edu (David DAuria) writes:
|> 
|> Well he could wear a hockey goalie mask to protect those good looks:-).
|> (Do you really think some one whose in love with himself will risk
|> take greater that necessary risk with his face?  Also a good excuse for
|> a mask)

Didn't Luger do all that Body-Building stuff with McMahon? If he did, it
would be hard(er) to put him over as "The Big Narc" if you could see his
face, now if he did wear a mask, it might be easier to sell.

My simple opinion,
Alan Whitton
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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Ass. Lab Supervisor))
Subject: Re: Tapes for sale?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:20:30 GMT

I dunno if my two cents means anything here, but the $25 dollar price
on Dave's tape turned me off, mainly because I had some of the stuff
already, and what I didn't have, wasn't worth that price (IMHO).

Herb's tape was definitely worth the $25.

-- 
Dominic Macika

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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Ass. Lab Supervisor))
Subject: Re: McMahon stealing titles... Was: Re: Women's Wrestling
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:47:24 GMT

> (i really miss MiltAvruskin, and George Cannon). 

I remember reading somewhere over the summer (in Arezzi's sheet or here
perhaps?) that Cannon was attempting to get together another promotion
in the Detroit area.  Anyone know if anything ever came of this?  
It'd be nice to have a local promotion in the area.  Motor City Wrestling
seems to be a misnomer (sp?) because I don't think they've ever put
on a show within 100 miles of Detroit.

>
>BTW, is Headshrinker SAMU the same guy who was the Great Samu in
>International?, He was the guy who replaced Dino when he was sick
>for a while, then was working for both part time.
>

Yuppers, one in the same.  I was impressed with him back then.  They
did a good job of pushing him as a singles star in Montreal.  He really
has talent.  Didn't he hold the Canadian International title for a while?

-- 
Dominic Macika

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From: cg@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (charles.gavinelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: House Shows in Dallas?
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:41:22 GMT
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Organization: AT&T


I'll be in Dallas Texas from 01/16/93-01/20/93
and again from 02/08/93-02/11/93.

Are there any house shows scheduled in the area at those times?

Is "the world famous" :-) Global Dome in Dallas? When does
the GWF tape?

On what channels and at what times are the non-cable wrestling
shows seen?

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					Charlie
From: jkwst5+@pitt.edu (Joseph   K Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Civic Arena card, Pittsburgh, PA 1/8/93
Summary: Help if you have info
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:48:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I am going to a WWF card at the Pittsburgh Civic Arena, one of the largest 
venues the WWF regularly stops at.  I will post a review either late tonight 
or sometime tomorrow.  In the meantime, if anyone knows what any of the
matches will be, please mail me or preferably post it before 6:45 EST.
The only two matches that I have heard announced are Curt Hennig vs.
Razor Ramon, and Big Bubba Boss Man vs. Kokinazuma, it's going to be fun
watching the BBM job as I'm pretty sure he will.  Unfortunately, 
Pittsburgh is a markish wrestling town, probably back to the days of
Bruno; its so bad that a few years ago, my ten-year old (at the time)
brother got a knee to the groin from some 143year-old slut across the 
aisle for cheering for heels. But I digress.  Please help with matches
announced for Pittsburgh, or that have recently been booked with the two I
previously mentioned.  If my review doesn't appear until late tomorrow,
it will be because I'm watching the Steelers destroy the Bills.

Joe Wright
University of Pittsburgh

"I'm cool, I'm cocky, I'm bad"- The Honky Tonk Man, first wrestler to
                                appear on a U.S. stamp
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From: moyj@rs6220.ecs.rpi.edu (Jayson Moy)
Subject: Re: WWF Mania - 9/1/93
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:41:10 GMT

In article <24827@galaxy.ucr.edu> kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu (christopher zimmerman) writes:
>It's WWF Mania!  It's WWF Mania!  What cool credits!  It's WWF Mania!
>
>WWF Mania, shown on the USA Network 9.1.93
>
>Your host is Todd Pettengill.  I've never heard of him.  Todd Pettengill:
>a) used to be a disc jockey
>b) thinks hosting is like being a disc jockey
>c) always wanted to be a disc jockey
>d) isn't sure about this wrestling business
>e) was hired for his stunning good looks
>f) any or all of the above
>

Todd Pettengill is currently part of the morning team on WPLJ-FM 95.5
in New York City along with Scott Shannon.

Before that he was Program Director at a station in Conneticut (Hartford I
believe). Before that, he was the morning show host for WFLY-FM 92.3 here
in Albany, NY

Before that, don't know what else he did, but he is a relatively young guy (late 20's) so I think his career began in Albany.

Jayson Moy
moyj@rpi.edu
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Flair WCW 2/15/93
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:29:48 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan11.084557.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, naults@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
> Boston Herald for Sunday 1/10/93-Wrestling Column stated
> that Ric Flair's last day with WWF will be February 10th and that
> he's slated to begin working for Watts/WCW Feb. 15th.

What I can't quite understand is McMahon letting Flair out of his contract
half a year early. He had lots of potential with the Perfect-Flair thing
after Hart-Flair had run its course. If Hogan could've been persuaded
to wrestle a Wrestlemania or Summerslam match against "The Man", then
wrestling fans would finally have the definitive match they've been seeking
between the two legends of wrestling in the '80's. Hogan would've won,
naturally, but it's still one of those things that will remain a
dream match.

One thing that comes to mind with McMahon's decision is maybe he has some
shread of respect for the (sport) and wants to give some fuel to the
competition in the hopes that more people will turn out to the arenas
in the long run. I have a hard time imagining McMahon doing that, but
it remains a possibility.

WCW needs Flair and has needed him for a long time. It'll be interesting
to see how they use him and if they can drum up some quality competition
for him. 

As far as the WWF goes now, looks like Doink is going to fill in for
awhile as a "monster heel" (and I use that term lightly). With Flair's
departure, the WWF really needs some believable heels. Ramon's going to
take a drop after he (likely) submits to the sharpshooter. Yokozuma is
climbing up there for what looks like his title shot at WM9, but I
don't see the big guy walking out with any gold (big guys traditionally
aren't champs). 

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From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: NARCISSUS!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:54:15 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan5.200124.12879@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> awhitton@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <106203@bu.edu>, dauria@csa.bu.edu (David DAuria) writes:
>|> 
>|> Well he could wear a hockey goalie mask to protect those good looks:-).
>|> (Do you really think some one whose in love with himself will risk
>|> take greater that necessary risk with his face?  Also a good excuse for
>|> a mask)
>
>Didn't Luger do all that Body-Building stuff with McMahon? If he did, it
>would be hard(er) to put him over as "The Big Narc" if you could see his
>face, now if he did wear a mask, it might be easier to sell.
>
	Actually, I've been thinking this: Anyone who watched WM8 knows who
Lex is, and as the Steiners are proving, WWF fans, even marks, are aware of the
pasts of the higher-profile WCW transfers. For this reason I doubt Luger will
be called "Narcissus" for long. I'm thinking this whole Narcissus thing is
merely to create suspense, instead of Bobby just saying, "Lex Luger will be at
Royal Rumble, Perfect." At RR, Narcissus will be "unveiled" and McMahon or
Monsoon will say, "Hey, that's Lex Luger!" and from that point he will be
referred to as Lex. However, there was no doubt in my mind from hearing what
The Brain had to say about him that he was talking about Luger. I would admit,
however, that there's about a 1 percent chance that it's Garvin and 0 percent
that it's El G. He's just not pretty enough to be a vain type.

	As for Yokozuna winning RR, it's possible, but whoever has been
posting "inside info" that it will indeed be him should keep in mind that Vince
has been known to change his mind at the last minute. Therefore I don't think
anyone can say he KNOWS who will win at any PPV. (Unless it's Hogan vs. Heel at
a WrestleMania) It could be 'zuna but I don't think he has gained enough heat
yet to be able to carry a WM main event. I was hoping for Perfect-Flair to be
for the title at WM, but with Ric seemingly on the way out, I can only hope for
Hart-Perfect. That one has potential to be the greatest WM match ever. 

			Steve "Don't mean to start a thread on that one" Sousa

>My simple opinion,
>Alan Whitton
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From: dave.scherer@darkside.gwinnett.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling Challenge D
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:13:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer@darkside.gwinnett.com (Dave Scherer) 

Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>   writes:

  >> He is?  That's news to me.  I always thought he was a buffoon.

DB>Well, compared to McMahon, Aiello, Mooney, Hayes, and Slick, Monsoon is
  >great. Compared to Heenan, Hennig, and even Savage and Lawler on their best
  >days, he sucks.

My favorite announcer is Akira Fukuzawa of All Japan, and I don't
understand a word he says.  Then again, maybe that is why he is my
favorite.  Seriously, he reminds me, in his love of wrestling, of Jim
Ross back when he, and Watts, were on top of their game in the old UWF.
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From: cmarble@hmcvax.claremont.edu (Chris Marble)
Subject: Sting and Steiner
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:35:43 PST

> I only ever remember Steiner wearing the headgear.  He was always
> treated as the bastard stepchild by the group, which of course, mean
> that he turn face.
Actually I really liked Rick Steiner when he was a tag team with Sting.
Rick then was the most muscular wrestler around but he and Sting were a
heel tag team and couldn't beat anything above the mid-card faces.
So just when was this and what turned Sting face?
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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Rose & Quake
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 21:48:12 EST

In article <Steve_Hooper.05dd@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca>
Steve_Hooper@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
 
>Yes, Rose and Quake are both VERY overweight, but you might be
>surprised.  Rose has a great work rate when he wants to, and so
>does Quake.
 
I haven't seen Buddy Rose in awhile and so can't speak to his
present workrate.  But he used to remind me of Adrian Adonis--
a guy with a tremendous amount of talent who, for whatever
reason, usually didn't work up to his ability.  Here's how Dave
Meltzer described Rose in the "Who's Who":  "A good natural athlete
who never worked out a day in his life."
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
Posted-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:17:07 CST
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From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling (wres)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:17:07 CST
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Hisaharu Tanabe writes:

> <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
> 
> >  I was just wondering why women's wrestling never made it in
> >the U.S. as opposed to Japan.  I personally haven't figured out
> >a reason, so I throw it out to rspw.  Any ideas?

> I assume that you've never seen women's wrestling from Japan, or you wouldn't
> ask this question(of course there's nothing wrong with that).

I think JW83HISW was talking about "womens" wrestling in the US, not the
"ladies" wrestling that is usually thought about when you hear about
females wrestling in the US, such as "GLOW", "POWW", etc.

JW83HISW (I think) was wondring why North Americans never appreciated the
women's wrestling product as much as the Japanese people appreciate the
women's wrestling.

> As for women's wrestling, the
> girls of All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling work even harder than most of the
> male wrestlers in the world(and ALL of the female wrestlers in the US 
> I've ever seen).

About a year or two ago, one of the old AWA guys (Wally or Verne) was head
of some women's wrestling federation that kinda resembled Japanese women's
wrestling.  They even had a PPV out of Rochester, Minnesota.  Anyone that
wanted to see ti live could get in free (I wasn't able to make it) and I
think the PPV was only like $9.00 or so, but I don't think it did all that
well.  If I remember correctly, it had quite a few of the Japanese stars,
as well as some of the up-and-coming American women (with real workrates,
not like the "Glow" T&A cartoon).

I saw some clips of a few of the matches, and it was more impressive than
any womens wrestling I've seen before, and more impressive (wrestling-wise)
than 90% of the North American men's PPVs that I have seen.  The reason
I don't think it went over that well was that there weren't any real angles.
No one knew WHY wrestler A was fighting wrestler B.  But then that's a
complaint I have with most non-American wrestling.  :-/

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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:07:47 EST

In article <C0Jont.I8q@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
 
[Re:  The Fabulous Moolah]
 
>"Kept herself on top"?  Are you saying  Moolah had a Dusty Rhodes-type
>of a deal, so she could decide whether or not anyone would beat her?
 
Yes.  Moolah ran women's wrestling in this country.  I'm sure
someone with a better memory for details than I can fill in the
details.
 
I have a vague recollection of Ed Garea writing something on Moolah
for the Wrestling Forum, and I'll look for it.  But that rarely
means I'll find it.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Date: 9 Jan 93 14:10:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

MA>I think a women's wrestling federation along the lines of the
  >Japanese feds could be successful in this country.  But it would
  >require an imaginative promoter willing to take a big risk.

Also, keep in mind that only now is Women's wrestling in Japan getting
respect from the hardcore fans.  Years ago, when they were successful,
it was because of teenage girls.  Now, their are hardcores too.
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: 1/4 Tokyo Egg Dome Show
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:18:36 GMT

eccd552@ut-emx.uucp (Katsuhiko Kawai) writes:

>Japanese can't pronounce "R". Eg. I like fried lice :-(

You like fried lice?  But I didn't like the presidential erection.

>IMHO, most of the U.S. audience except the hardcores can't appreciate
>Japanese style wrestling(Puroresu) - I mean Japanese style, not
>the wrestling by Japanese. 
>Did you see the NWA final, Rude vs. Chono? I would give it
>****1/2. The match was excellent as well as the atmosphere in
>the Sumo arena(Ryogoku Kokugikan). The title match should be
>like that. 

Well, Chono hasn't been what he is recently, at least in the US.

>Tatsumi Fujinami. I suppose that very few wrestling fans remember
>he is the first Japanese that received the standing ovation at MSG.
>Tiger Mask(Satoru Sayama) is the second. In those days, there
>existed "wrestling" in this country, too. I hope Dave put his
>debut match at MSG in his next tape. You can see his original
>Dragon Suplex(full nelson suplex). BTW, Tatsu means Dragon
>in Japanese. That's why his original maneuver is called "Dragon
>...".

Talkin' 'bout the good old days we,the Japanese fans, miss...
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From: robertk@bnr.ca (Robert Kaczynski P765)
Subject: Re: WWF Life Awaits Bills' "Pit Bull"
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Info Systems
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:47:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.144914.22877@spectrum.xerox.com>, hollenbe@spot.wrc.xerox.com (scott hollenbeck 2505) writes:
|> The Washington (D.C.) Post has an interesting article in today's edition about
|> the Buffalo Bills' backup guard/center Mitch Frerotte.  It turns out his real
|> career goal is to become a WWF wrestler!
|> 
|> Some quotes from the article:
|> 
|> "And he still sees the National Football League as a stepping stone to his real
|> goal: the World Wrestling Federation.  He plans to call himself Pit Bull."
|> 
|> According to Frerotte (through the Post):
|> 
|> "Actually, my wrestling career is pretty much on the way now.  I have contacts
|> because of the promotional work I'm doing with the WWF.  Whenever I'm out of
|> football, I'll be going right into it."
|> 
|> My comments: I knew of Mitch when he played football at Penn State, my
|> undergraduate alma mater.  He has the size (6 feet 3 inches, 285 pounds)
|> and the flaky attitude to do it.  Unfortunately, the Post doesn't say
|> anything about heel/face leanings.
|> 
|> -Scott
|> "Trust Allah, but tie up your camel."

Vince mentioned it on RAW last night and I just thought he was BSing
especially since they also said Mike Tyson was watching from his 
prison cell.
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Suplex list
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:07:45 GMT

In <1993Jan7.204755.9975@ac.dal.ca> jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:

>I assume you meant the superplex. :-) I intentionally left it off because
>it's nothing more than a vertical suplex from a turnbuckle. Most every
>suplex on the list could be executed from the 2nd or top turnbuckle
>(or even the apron to the floor for that matter) and the list would
>just get much longer than necessary.

If I may humbly interject myself into this thread...

I would argue that a superplex should be included in such a list.
While it may be true that most other suplexes *could* be done off the
turnbuckles, most of them are not, in fact, done off the turnbuckles.

The superplex is unique in that aspect in that it is a regular
finisher for certain wrestlers (Barry Windham used to use it, still
may, Dynamite Kid used it a lot, Bob Orton ditto...)

So this is my point: other "super" type suplexes are hypothetical, and
need not be included. The superplex is a legitimate and effective
version of a suplex, so should be included.

Michael
Posted-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 10:44:45 CST
Received-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 10:43:33 CST
From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: Wrestling drinking game
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling (wres)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 10:44:45 CST
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