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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: More Infn about UW-Madison
From: hcha1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Heung Wing          Chat           )
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:26:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <1992Jul25.094652.21823@unixg.ubc.ca> wlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Wendy Lee) writes:


>     I agree with Sunford Yuen's opinion that: gossips are common among
>HK students in UW-Madison. Sometimes gossips are unavoidable even though
>you may not have done anything wrongly because people are too boring that
>'news' of others seem to be an 'interesting' topic to discuss.

    Well, it's not that terrible compare to NZ(& Canada, I think).
    At least, it won't go straight to the ears of your parents. :)
    U will be alright if U could keep out of boys & girls relationship.


>     BUT, one can get valuable friendship as HK students are so intensive
>in the small campus area. People have close relationship and most of them
>are very helpful.

    True.

    While everyone is talking about the social life in Madison, let us look at
    it in academic way. UW drop off top 25 Business School(according to the
    US news ranking) last year. SO if really want to study in a better graduate
    school. Try to apply UT-Austin, which has the most "economic" MBA. The school
    fee is much lower than Madison(about 1/2) and it rank top 10 in US.
    But it is more difficult to enter as well, of course.

BTW, people studying MBA seldom have email account and USENET access.
( I think U could notice that the (cool) guys who respond to your question
  are "used" to study in Madsion. Me?? left Madison for two years. )
So , if U want first hand info about MBA program & school life of graduate
student, try to contact HK stud ass. (sorry, I don't have the address in my hand)
They could find U a damn fine MBA student to answer all your questions!!

--------------------------------------------------------------------
    Ronald Chat
    Computer Science, U of Auckland
    hcha1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz

	   "New Zealand is not a state of OZ"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: thomasc@dragonfly.wri.com (Thomas Chin)
Subject: Re: Discovery of Woman, from the author of the Discovery
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1992 21:48:49 GMT

when we speak of sexism, are we speaking for ourselves, or are we really
speaking for women (or other human beings for that matter)  I mean, are
we speak that because we should - we should because of the morality and
equality and human rights we have been told, so that we can prove and be
recognized as a 'good' or correct individual. but are we actually that
sensitive to other people. everybody knows well enough it is merely bull
shit to 'speak' about thing, 'speak' about sexism. should we rather spend
the time criticizing other people's sexism and angry about it, into sharing
with your wife or 'woman' instead. love her, dedicated to her, do what she
want to do, all these cause a life time of effort to accomplish - by action,
not by talk. and that makes one a non-sexist.

--Tom
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9349 soc.culture.japan:6312 soc.culture.taiwan:11367
From: kokwok@ee.umanitoba.ca (julian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Learning about World War II in Japan
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:36:01 GMT
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada

In article <1992Jul29.035245.3503@news.iastate.edu>, zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
> 
> I remember the difference was more than 10, the average was between
> 100 and 110. Anyway, this was not that important.

I think the difference is only one. I will never forget what this two

assholes' cruelty.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kokwok@ee.umanitoba.ca (julian)
Subject: Re: Ooh La La
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:38:47 GMT


In article <5183@transfer.stratus.com>, cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung) writes:
> If you have X-window, run the following program.  I promise it is not
> a obscene picture.
> 
> For those don't know how to save and run a program, 
> 1) Type [s] to save.
> 2) Answer [n] to the question of ... mbox format...
> 3) After leaving news, emacs Soc.culture.hongkong in your /News directory
> 4) Delete all the lines above and including "Cut Here".
> 5) Save the file in your favorite boyfriend/girlfriend's name, ex. Amazon.
> 6) Change attribute to executable file.
> 7) Type your favorite boyfriend/girlfriend's name.
> 
> Enjoy.
> ------  Cut Here --------

[stuff deleted]

NO, I cannot get it. Would you please convert it to a uuencoded file and

try again? 

THANX
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9298 soc.culture.asian.american:7205
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Lam=Lin=Lum? Re: History of family name
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:12:53 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul27.225540.9561@CS.ORST.EDU> lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:
>
>Lam is not even close to the Cantonese or Mandarin pronounciation.  
>"Lamb" and "Lam" has the same pronunciation.  I think "Lum" is closer
>to the Cantonese pronunciation.
>
>I always wonder why my last name becomes Lam in English.

Maybe Lam is the ToiSan pronunciation in English.  A significant number of the
early Chinese immigrants in America were from ToiSan and thats how they proounce
their last names.  
Or it could be the other solution; the British mispronounce everything.  The 
Wade-Giles romanization was orginally developed for French translation of Chines
e.  If you pronounce Lam with a short A it comes out correct.


-- 
Thanks to Bush, Saddam still has his job.  Do you?
Volvo, there is no substitute.        Henryc@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: Re: ltong{01,02}.gif - Name confirmation request
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:55:03 GMT

Hi netters,

Someone suggested that the English name of TONG Ling is Maria.
Any objections or seconders? Please direct your further suggestions
to akwy@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au.

Suggestions of name confirmation request are accepted until 1 Aug.

Many thanks,
Alan of HKPGCS.
-- 
|||||||||||||| H O   O A I   ---   Another word for SPECIAL |||||||||||||||
||||||| finger & email address: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au (Alan Yim) ||||||||
|||||||||||| M a y - T h e - F o r c e - B e - W i t h - Y o u ||||||||||||
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: Lam=Lin=Lum? Re: History of family name
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:44:19 GMT

lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.182858.8492@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>>
>>I think my last name "Lam" is the same as the different spelling versions of
>> "Lin" and
>> "Lum" (I think "Lim" also).  It is the Chinese charater for "woods".
>>

>My lastname is Lin ("Lian" in Pin Yin), but it is not "woods" but "connection", as
>in "Lin Wan To" (comics).

>>-Dan Lam/Lin/Lum
>>

Perhaps it might be more accurately pronounced as "Lean" in Cantonese, or
"Leeeen" , rather than "Lin". 

The usual ones for "woods" are : Lam (which sounds like la-arm)
	  			 Lum
				 Lim
				 Lin

Regards,
YS
From: cheung@boromir.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Racial Problems?
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:05:33 GMT
Reply-To: cheung@boromir.hw.stratus.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Hardware Engineering


Article 15564 of soc.culture.hongkong:
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Racial Problem? (was: Voice to change of voter.)

>Chinese culture is different for American culture. As a matter of
>fact, it is very rare for a Chinese man to marry an American woman.
>The reputation of American woman has been the worst in the 
>world since the sex liberation. I have heard this joke from people
>in many country. American husband does not know where his wife
>will sleep tonight. It may be the racist's opinion. But it may be
>a part of American culture. 

Little thought from a little mind.

>One day on TV, I saw an American woman proudly told the public
>that she had sex with more than 4,000 man. Her daughter was standing
>with her and she could not tell who is her daughter's father.
>She also has a lot of theories about why she should have so many
>sex partners. I can not imagine this happens in China nor any
>other country in the world.

Big wonder from a frog in the well.  
Big fart from the blind man who thinks he has seen the whole elephant.

>The decay of a society is the beginning of a country's falling.
>It is the time for American to come back to Jesus. This is
>the only way for America avoid the fall.

It is time for you to take a look at yourself in the mirror.  This
is the only way for you to avoid furthur embarrassment.

All in all, full of bullshit from a braindead (racist+sexist)^100.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
From: janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: A hot market (was: History of family name)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:26:25 GMT

In article <HIEBELER.92Jul26213329@passion.think.com> hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.135458.9673@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>
>>    P.S. After the new Census in 1990, the Asian American has became a
>> 	   very hot market to marketers.  AT&T, MCI and United
>> 	   Airlines, etc. are spending big bucks to advertize in the
>> 	   Asian market.
>
>  Why is it suddenly a hot market?  Didn't anyone know how many AA's
>there were before the 1990 census?
>
>  The other day I did notice an AT&T commercial showing a couple of AA
>women talking (no AA men, of course) mixed in with the various clips.
>It did not seem to be a commercial about international rates, either
>(a few years ago, they ran some commercials showing people speaking in
>Chinese, as well as many other languages, for some international rates
>of theirs).
>--
>--
>Dave Hiebeler                  | hiebeler@think.com
>Thinking Machines Corporation  | (617) 234-4070


I don't know if anyone out there with a similar last name as mine got this
advertisement, but a few days ago, MCI (or Sprint, can't remember) sent me
an advertisement in Chinese, even though Choi is a Korean last name. Just
goes to show you the amount of research MCI emphasizes, although I DID 
recieve a Korean advertisement from AT&T. AT&T also advertises in local 
Korean and Chinese newspapers.
-- 
    .  .      +-------------------------------+
  --|--|      | Mark Yun Wook Choi            |
   /.\ |      | janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu |
  --|--|      +-------------------------------+  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: albert@INSL.McGill.CA (Albert Pang)
Subject: Re: HKSA
Keywords: Everybody
Organization: INSL, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 04:07:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.234946.20339@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-aa@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Ka-Chung Wong) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>Recently I learned from the FAQ that Hong Kong Tourist Assoc. has an account
>on internet.  I tried to send mail to them but failed.  Does anyone know 
>the accurate address of HKSA??
I think you are refering to Question 552) section l) of the FAQ of s.c.hk:

        l) HKTA Student Ambassador - mail to wkau+@ius5.ius.cs.cmu.edu
                for enrollment and to wkau=hk@ius5.ius.cs.cmu.edu for
                distribution.

The last I heard from him is in November 1990 when he send out the mailing
list.  I still have that mailing list.  However, I doubt if the list is
up to date.

>By the way, I am a 89' SA [ancient creature]. Is there any fellow student
			   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ha Ha, look at my .sig.
>Ambassadors reading?  I have lost contact with lots of you, and I need
>a contact list.  Does anyone out here have the most recent one?
>

I am sure there are more SA since 1990.  I guess if the person who
maintained the list is no longer available, I can maintain the mailing
list.

			Albert Pang. SA '85.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
Albert Pang		<albert@brahms.insl.mcgill.ca>
Information Networks & Systems Lab
McGill University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Lam=Lin=Lum? Re: History of family name
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:53:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.182858.8492@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>
>I think my last name "Lam" is the same as the different spelling versions of
> "Lin" and
> "Lum" (I think "Lim" also).  It is the Chinese charater for "woods".
>

My lastname is Lin ("Lian" in Pin Yin), but it is not "woods" but "connection", as
in "Lin Wan To" (comics).

>-Dan Lam/Lin/Lum
>
>


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| Louis Lin, Computer Graphics Lab,  | \ \/_/\ /___/\
| University of Waterloo, Canada.    |  \___\/ \___\/
From: vijay@efim.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: CFV: alt.us.visas
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:38:11 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

How about creating a group called alt.us.visas.  By the addition of this 
group we could help folks mostly interested in visa information from any 
country to get that information easily.  A FAQ will also be helpful. 
This will moderate many of the soc groups. 


**********************************************************************
               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
**********************************************************************
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: More words: Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:53:02 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: mkcman@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu's message of 29 Jul 92 16:04:20 GMT

>>>>> On 29 Jul 92 16:04:20 GMT, mkcman@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marcus Man) said:
Marcus> I agree some of your points. Since the economy structure of HK
Marcus> is still in transformation period, which is between mess
Marcus> production and automatic production, so you will feel that
Marcus> there is not enough R & D in HK. This problem is already
Marcus> existed for a long time. The government is trying to encourage
Marcus> the R and D but due to the limited resources, we cannot say if
Marcus> they will make it or not.

With the 1997 problem hanging there, it is very tough to boost R&D -
good R&D people are much easier to emigrate.

[...]
Marcus> You say "BARELY-ABOVE USER LEVEL", I don't want to make any
Marcus> big comment on this sentence. It is reasonable that U students
Marcus> can access UNIX system since the system is only exist in U and
Marcus> big firms. A general person have no chance to use or even
Marcus> practise the UNIX system.

There are packages like ISC Unix or SCO Unix which turns a DOS machine
to Unix. Thus, if a person wants to, he/she can always run Unix on his
machine. Of course, the issue is why would a person want to run Unix
when there are less appications on Unix than DOS and seldom anyone in
the immediate surrounding is using Unix.

--
Boniface Lau    (613) 592-2122 ext. 3042    Boniface_Lau@Mitel.COM
Mitel Corp.  				    
350 Legget Drive, Kanata
Ontario, Canada, K2K 1X3
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su (rewa sergey vladimirovich)
Subject: Looking for partners !
Reply-To: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su
Organization: Fact-INFO
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:09:19 +0400

             *** LOOKING FOR CONTACTS ***
  We beg the pardon for using this conference,but we didn't
find any other. We are looking for commercial/trade contacts
in countries of South-Eastern Asia (Japan,China,Korea,Hongkong,
Taiwan etc.). So,if anybody can provide us with Internet or Bitnet
adresses of interested centres/firms/companies in named regions,
we'll be extremly thankfull.
Our commercial interests are widely spread in the sphere of
consumption.
Please,answer us directly, 'cos we don't read this conference.
 - Sergey Rewa - (Fact-INFO firm,Khabarovsk,Russia)

Internet : SERG@FACTINFO.KHABAROVSK.SU



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: A hot market (was: History of family name)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:23:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Jul27.202347.5575
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <HIEBELER.92Jul27121728@custard.think.com> hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul27.024843.13015@CS.ORST.EDU> lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:
>
>>    ...I received calls from MCI representative who can speak in both
>>    Cantonese and Mandarin.  They tried to convince me to switch long
>>    distance company.
>
>  I am really curious about something.  How do these companies know
>that you speak Chinese??
>

They just picked up my name randomly somewhere because it sounds Chinese.
They would call me and the first question would be, "Do you speak Chinese?"
If I said yes, they would ask whether I speak Cantonese or Mandarin. And
then bored me with their sales pitch.

If I said I don't speak Chinese, they would say thank you and hang up.
So I guess the representatives are specially trained (or their English
are not good enough) for Asian customers.

--Ben
From: yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:02:28 GMT
Subject: Re: RE - Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

cho@enlil.premenos.sf.ca.us (Cho-Ming Tai) /  1:22 am  Jul 25, 1992 /
        I went to Hong Kong last Christmas and found the computers/machines
        sold at Golden Plaza (in Kowloon) disappointing.
        They were all PC stuff.  It's hard even to find any high-end Macs,
        not mentioning Sun, Next, DEC stuff.  Most CS magazines in Hong Kong
        copy/translate articles/ideas from foreign ones. 
        That's why only a handful prestiged U student can access UNIX
        usenet.  And the general Hong Kong (probably including CS) students
        are only at a barely-above user level.  *** No flame, please ***

With PC, you can boot it to DOS, SCO Unix, DR DOS, OS/2 DR Concurrent DOS etc.
a Mac is Mac. And you can find PC build a lot of manufacturers. Mac, from
Apple only (O.K. include OEM). Yes, Mac is well used in education and 
home computing. But work is a bit different. I look around now, our division
has over 250 workstations, another 250 PCs (I have two), sorry, no mac).
I know there was a hot debate between mac and PC users (and still not stopped
yet). I think PC is more widespread and easlier to get software.

        I've been told by my old high schoolmates that engineers are not
        respected or equally rewarded as Accountants in Hong Kong...
        Some of my high school friends who became Chartered Accountant
        could make about HK$20k-35k/month (4 years of experience)
        with strong potential of going even higher.  The other high
        schoolmates who worked as PC hardware engineers can only make
        HK$10k-20k/month (with 5 years of experience).

The people in business alway earns more, that's the rule. I chose the
wrong job. You better adjust yourself. Who know, a friend of mine went
to deal in exchange after a degree in hotal management. He earns 30K pm
without experience.

        Most programming jobs in Hong Kong are for Application Programmers
        who code around RDBMS packages (mostly Oracle on PC or Mainframe;
        Sybase was not there yet) to implement BUSINESS computer software
        systems.  A brother of my old classmate got a MSCS (specializing
        in AI) from U.K. can only find a mainframe banking programming job
        in Hong Kong.  I wonder if there is ANY SOFTWARE COMPANY in
        Hong Kong, besides financial institutions, that employs programmers.

Yes, I know NS has a few (< 10) programmers writting device drivers.

        I think Hong Kong is slow and reluctant to catch up with others in
        Hi-Tech areas.  The government does not put enough money in
        encouraging industrial R&D, post-graduate research, etc.

        If this trend continues, Hong Kong will be full of BUSINESS people
        while Japan, Taiwan and Singapore dominate the ASIAN HI-TECH AREA.
        Well, I think it's OK for a country to specialize; however, isn't
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:9243 soc.culture.asian.american:7143
From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K. Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: History of family name
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:48:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


With a last name like Wong, I don't think I will ever receive any book 
offer with White folks on the cover.   :)

I did get some mail from some female associations or ads for beauty care
products when I was using my Chinese name.  They couldn't tell an 'n' from
an 'm' so I suddenly became Kim.  

Ray
-- 
Raymond K. Wong                                 
E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
E-mail: sm/pgh/ray%sm@mcimail.com                                       
other:  70724.1416@Compuserve.com                            /2./<.vV.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: COBOL, SQL Re: Electronics/videogame stores in Hong Kong. (SUMMARY)
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:38:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:

>Please pay some respect to your fellow programmers by NOT copying software.  Programs
>are not essential to your survival, so if you can't afford them, don't use them.  

I agree with you totally.  Especially for us, CS majors, we should know
better.  We wouldn't want someone to come and take our week/month-worth of
work away without even saying "Thanks" or "please," right?   8)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin 

PS: I used to pirate a lot when I had an Apple ][+ clone at home (years ago),
    because I didn't know better.  It's true that software generally
    costs a lot of money, but if we were to choose carefully and only
    shop for the ones we need, we don't have to pirate.   

    I believe it isn't very hard to shop for legitimate software
    in Hong Kong.  One of the very good examples is Chinese software.  
    Many of these Chinese software are quite affordable.  Also, people 
    can also buy PFS-First Choice (Window Version) and many affordable
    packages in Hong Kong.
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