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From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Standard for TNC/Radio cables
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:33:59 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com

Is this related, or completely a parallel to the COBRA radio interface
standards going on the the UK?  Does anyone stateside have a copy of this.
The only lead I have for getting the specification is by sending international
bank drafts to the UK which seems like more trouble than it's worth.

-Ron
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: estey@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com
Subject: How to Connect NOS to TheNet???
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:46:52 GMT


Being part of a team in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area that has just
finished putting together a network comprised of TheNet, G8BPQ, and some
ROSE nodes - and having just gotten the "bug" to explore TCP/IP, I began
to think about how neat it would be if the local TCP/IP network  could use
the newly available AX.25 resources.  

I am looking for answers to:
1.  How must the NET s/w be configured to go through the existing AX.25
    network?  
2.  Are changes requires to the TheNet, ROSE and G8BPQ nodes?

With much ROSE activity in Florida and Texas - and our shiny new ROSE link
to Dallas/Fort Worth and Tampa (with Chicago coming on-line real soon)
just sitting there, I am real anxious to learn how to tie my TCP/IP
station into those folks.  Any ideas will be appreciated.

73,
Carl
______________________________________________________________________________
Carl Estey                  |  Home Mail Address: 276 Walnut Lane
Amateur Callsign:    WA0CQG |                     Apple Valley, MN 55124
                            |  Business Address:  Honeywell Inc.
Phone: Work (612) 542-5136  |  Flight Systems & Test Operations M/S MN15-2370
       FAX  (612) 542-6003  |  1625 Zarthan Ave. S., St. Louis Park, MN 55416
       Home (612) 432-0699  |  Packet: WA0CQG @ WA0CQG.#SOMSP.MN.USA.NA   
The nonsense here is of my own making - no one else would want credit!
From: per.ytterberg@neurofys.uu.se (Per Ytterberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: KA9Q Routing
Date: 10 Nov 1992 07:51:25 GMT
Organization: University Hospital, Uppsala Sweden
NNTP-Posting-Host: per.neurofys.uu.se

In article <1992Nov9.204645.22075@wa4phy.ampr.org> sam@wa4phy.ampr.org 
  (Sam Drinkard) writes:


>>       Does anybody use ka9q NOS to route data coming in one interface to
>>a different one?  If so, would you please tell me how this is accomplished?

>>                                       Michael Carson
>>                                  c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu


We are using ka9q NOS for that purpose. This is our autoexec.net file. But 
we have one problem. There are 3 interfaces in our router. One for A PC net 
routing over netbios, one MAC net with "pure" IP. Actually it is the same 
cable. The third interface routes to the hospital network. All these are 
packet drivers from NOS' point of view. Now to the problem: We can only 
route to the "default route", not between the PC and MAC net. Which version 
of NOS is the "latest and best"?


The autoexec.net:

hostname gw.neurofys.uu.se
ip address [192.36.34.34]
#
# Specify packet driver for "raw" Ethernet packet driver.
attach packet 0x61 ec0 25 1500
ifconfig ec0 ipaddr [192.36.34.34]
#
# Specify packet driver for NetBIOS packet driver.
attach packet 0x60 nb0 25 1500
ifconfig nb0 ipaddr [192.36.34.65]
#
# Specify packet driver for "Mac" packet driver.
attach packet 0x62 ec1 25 1500
ifconfig ec1 ipaddr [192.36.34.81]
#
# Set up a default, static route to the external router.
route add default ec0 [192.36.34.33]
#
# Set up static routes to each of the machines on which
# the NetBIOS packet driver is operating.
route add [192.36.34.64]/28 nb0
# Mac net
route add [192.36.34.80]/28 ec1

ip ttl 50 

tcp mss 576

tcp window 8192

start ftp

start finger

start pop

#start telnet

#domain addserver 130.238.4.133

start smtp
smtp gateway 192.36.104.15
smtp trace 1

domain suffix neurofys.uu.se


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Per Ytterberg        email:        per.ytterberg@neurofys.uu.se

Avd. f. Klin. Neurofys.            Dep. of Clin. NeuroPhys.
Akademiska Sjukhuset               University Hospital
751 85 Uppsala                     S-751 85 Uppsala
                                   Sweden
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From: alabbe@willamette.edu (Andre Labbe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Packet program wanted
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:15:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR


	I am locking for a program to run a PK-232 
	from an Amiga.
	
	Any help will be helpfull!
	Thanks
	
	alabbe@willamette.edu
From: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM (George Haber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Wirelsess Data Comunication
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:34:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: haber

Hi Guys and Girls
=================

  I need some HELP "please"
 I intend to build (For my home) a wireless radio network for data
        - Does any one know how to build such a best cheaply  ??
        - Can I use some "portable phone" components to do it.
        - How do you detect collision in for such an Network ??
        - What is the best protocol for this ??

Any help is greatly appreciated.

George T. Haber
~
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: GRAPES 56KB RF Questions
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:38:12 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <6301.2afeafd7@hayes.com>, bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
> In article <norman.720627496@pagesat>, norman@pagesat.com (Norman Gillaspie) writes:
>> I noticed that the designer of the 56K modem is named Heatherington. Is
>> this the same Heatherington who invented the escape sequence used by Hayes?
> 
> The same.
> 
> Dale Heatherington, WA4DSY.
> 
> After he left Hayes in 1985, the 56K modem was one of many projects
> he worked on in his retirement.

To clarify something. My use of the past tense here may be misleading. I
am not suggesting that Dale isn't around any more. (As far as I know, he
is still doing well and working on tons of projects) It was more to
reflect my ignorance of what he is doing lately.

I'm sorry if someone might have misinterpreted this. 

-- 
Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958
Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QO
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcoleman
POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.
From: john@goshawk.mcc.ac.uk (John Heaton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: AmigaNOS v2.9j
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:26:02 GMT
Reply-To: john@nessie.mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

v2.9j is available from 130.88.202.27, (so is v2.9i, but no one has 
grabbed v2.9i yet!!)

John.
-- 
                 John Heaton   -   NRS Central Administrator
      MCC Network Unit, The University, Oxford Road, Manchester,  M13-9PL
            Phone: (+44) 61 275 6011   -   FAX: (+44) 61 275 6040
                   Packet: G1YYH @ G1YYH.GB7PWY.#16.GBR.EU
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From: yoda@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Mauro Furin)
Subject: Re: WNOS on a XT ?
Keywords: compiler option
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:49:31 GMT

In article <axa12.36.720852180@po.cwru.edu> axa12@po.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes:
>In article <2187@sousa.ltn.dec.com> segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com writes:
>>
>>I am trying to get several of my fellow hams up on TCP/IP using the WNOS
>>version 4A1 code.  It provides a fine end node on an AT (80286) or 80386
>>system.  However, when I try to run it on an XT (8086 ?) system it does a
>>short pause and drops me back at the DOS prompt with no error message what
>>so ever.  I have tried this on two different XT systems and both had 640kb
>>of memory.  Is there something that I am over looking?
>>
>>If I can't run WNOS on an XT can somone recommend a feature rich NOS version
>>that will run on a XT?
>
>I was also unsuccessful at getting WNOS to work on a PS/2 model 30 -- this 
>is also a 8086 based computer.  However WG7J NOS 1.04 works on this machine 
>as does PA0GRI NOS 911229 2.0m
>
>Ashok
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>                             Ashok Aiyar
>                     Department of Biochemistry
>                         CWRU Medical School
>                          axa12@po.cwru.edu
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

Time ago I wrote to Michael Chace about the same problem.
From his letter:
---------------------------
(my question) 
(...) on my Olivetti M240/At&T6300, 8086 based 640K RAM computer -
       EVERY executable doesn't work 
      (Every time it returns back to the DOS prompt!).

(answer)
	You should have told him that you had an 8086 based machine.
	WNOS4 is usually only distributed compiled for 286 and above
	since it does not work well on some (slow) 8086 machines.
---------------------------
("him" refers to the person who compiled my executables).

So there should be an option to be set before compilation.

     #   #   ###   ####  ####		"May the Force be with you"
      # #   #   #  #   #  #  #		---------------------------
       #   #    #  #    #  #   #	      Mauro Furin
      #   #     #  #     #  ######   E-mail: yoda@sabrina.dei.unipd.it
     #   #      #  #      #  #    #
    #     ######   #######    #    # Packet: IW3FWK@IW3EXH.#VI.ITA.EURO


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From: rwp@fc.hp.com (Bob Proulx)
Subject: Re: PBBS forwarding protocol..
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:01:42 GMT
Organization: Fort Collins
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Andy Warner (andyw@aspen32.cray.com) wrote:
> Does anyone have a description of the inter-BBS mail and
> bulletin forwarding protocol?

I don't yet have it but I have seen it.  A small brown booklet
published by the ARRL that describes the protocols you (and I too)
want.  Look in the published ARRL listings for this book.  It includes
state diagrams of the transmission protocol and such.

Bob Proulx, kf0uw
"Also trying to get a copy of this book."
From: mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: WNOS on a XT ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:42:34 GMT
Organization: PraXis Systems plc, Bath, Avon UK

>>>>> Regarding Re: WNOS on a XT ?; axa12@po.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) said:
Ashok> In article <2187@sousa.ltn.dec.com> segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>I am trying to get several of my fellow hams up on TCP/IP using the WNOS
>version 4A1 code.  It provides a fine end node on an AT (80286) or 80386
>system.  However, when I try to run it on an XT (8086 ?) system it does a
>short pause and drops me back at the DOS prompt with no error message what
>so ever.  I have tried this on two different XT systems and both had 640kb
>of memory.  Is there something that I am over looking?
>
>If I can't run WNOS on an XT can somone recommend a feature rich NOS version
>that will run on a XT?

Ashok> I was also unsuccessful at getting WNOS to work on a PS/2 model 30 -- this 
Ashok> is also a 8086 based computer.  However WG7J NOS 1.04 works on this machine 
Ashok> as does PA0GRI NOS 911229 2.0m

	Unfortunately WNOS and the XT seem to be incompatible. This
	in most cases is usually due to the processor being too slow.
	WNOS4 most probably won't run on an XT @ 4.77MHz but I know
	of quite a few running WNOS4 on XTs with fast processors eg
	10Mhz V20 etc.

	This subject is discussed in the WNOS4 Distribution Documentation
	and so should come as no surprise. If you got the program and not
        the full release pack, why not ?

	Just in case, did you check if the executable you had was compiled
	for 8086 mode instructions ? May sound stupid, but it happens :-)

	Cheers, Mike (G6DHU)

	UK WNOS Team
From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: AX25 protocol
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:58:34 +1100
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <21970006@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, tcline@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ted Cline) writes:

>>          AX.25 Amateur Packet-Radio Link-Layer Protocol
>>                     Version 2.0  October 1984

I thought there was a version 2.1?  Is it only documented in the
networking conference proceedings or is there other documentation
available?

Carl.

-- 
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Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services, Canberra, Australia.
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From: braun@kadsma.kodak.com (Curtis Braun)
Subject: TCP/IP Routing Help
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Telstar
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:30:55 GMT


There has been a recent question as to what to about
sunetting and routing for IP routing for ham radio.
I suggested that we subnet (on a psuedo class C subnet) our
44.69.0.0 network for upstate NY. Most of our participants
don't understand routing techniques and think that I
am all wet. There are three schools of thought.
1	 continue on, (they're assigning 44.69.0.x for all
	of upstate on a per node basis now.
2	subnet each county and preassign a network number to
	each. Therefore  Rochester would have 44.69.7.0
	(Monroe County) and Syracuse area (County it's in)
	would have 44.69.9.0, etc.
3	Assign subnets based on need. First come first serve for
	each area (switch as they call it, router to me).

Has anyone else done this? I have a subnet in my house and am
routing to the outside from any of my computers. I was
planning on subnetting also by freq. the 2 meter port may
be 44.69.5.0 and the 440 port may be 44.69.6.0. Or we
can split the 44.69.5.{1-127,128-254}.

Next item, has anyone tried to connect two 44.x.x.x networks
through thepublic internet? I'd love to connect Boston to
Rochester via the Corporate Ham clubs (this company has a few
ham clubs all over the world). 

Last item, has anyone set up a pure tcpip router (ax25 based) between
areas? Or PcRoute, does it have support for the packet drivers and
ax25? We need to get across the state, but we'd like to do it
without netrom. net1x has been discussed. Any thoughts would be
appreciated. 

Thanks very much for leting me get this off my chest...


-- 
Curtis Braun (curtis@computronics.com) (n2hkd)
Computronics, POBOX 1002 Fairport,NY 14450 
Guest@Digital Telstar,Network Operations Center Kodak 
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From: kb2glo@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (thomas.kenny)
Subject: Standard for TNC/Radio cables
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:47:55 GMT


Many many moons ago actually a little over a year ago there was
a thread in this group discussing the need and usefullness of
have standardize cable for connecting ditital devices (TNCs)
to RF devises (radios). I think it started with a simple 5 PIN
DIN connect and esculated to the following all purpose proposal.

To refresh your memory you'd have a cable for each TNC and
a cable for each radio. The end connecotrs of each cable would
mate. This way you could connect any radio to any TNC very
easily.

Since I'm looking at making up some cables I'm wondering if this
was the last work on the subject. Does anybody know of any standards
being worked on or any psuedo standards in use.

Thanks and 73, Tom Kenny KB2GLO, tek@lzusp.att.com

> From: steve@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Schallehn)
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
> Subject: Standardized packet connector
> Summary: New design for the standard packet connector.
> Message-ID: <kfmnsjINN5lq@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>
> Date: 15 Oct 91 21:37:23 GMT
> Organization: Kansas State University
> 
> Thanks for those who have made comments on my last version of the 
> standard packet connector.  Here is the next update to the idea.
> 
> Standard packet connector:
> pin 1  - 1200 baud pin (like normal radio's mike port)
> pin 2  - 1200 GND
> pin 3  - 1200 baud receiver audio (like speaker jack)
> pin 4  - 1200 baud receiver audio GND
> pin 5  - 9600 baud pin (direct to radio's mixer)
> pin 6  - 9600 GND
> pin 7  - 9600 baud receive audio
> pin 8  - 9600 baud receive audio GND
> pin 9  - FSK modem connection (+/- 5V mark/space)
> pin 10 - FSK ground
> pin 11 - FSK receive 
> pin 12 - FSK receive ground
> pin 13 - TX (ground to key radio)
> pin 14 - squelch open (+5v squelch open) 
> pin 15 - TX/squelch ground
> 
> 
> 
> Comments:
> 
>  o Shielded cables and connectors seem important.  Twisted pairs
>    between the signals and thier respective grounds would cut down
>    RFI problems.  
> 
>  o There may many grounds here.  Are all the grounds needed or
>    am I ground happy?  :-)
> 
>  o A 15 pin D connector could handle all of these connections and I have
>    seen some RFI shielded D connectors before, but they may have some
>    impedance bumps at high frequencies.  Any suggestions for a better 
>    connector?  Some more pins would be nice for future additions.
> 
>  o Electrical isolation / lightning protection has not been included.
>    This would be a valuable addition. 
> 
>  o With a combination of this connector and a standard computer control
>    connector (an extension to multi-drop KISS?), a computer controlled 
>    packet station could be just plug and play.  
> 
> 
> -Steve Schallehn  KB0AGD

-- 
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From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: GRAPES 56KB RF Questions
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:37:11 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <norman.720627496@pagesat>, norman@pagesat.com (Norman Gillaspie) writes:
> I noticed that the designer of the 56K modem is named Heatherington. Is
> this the same Heatherington who invented the escape sequence used by Hayes?

The same.

Dale Heatherington, WA4DSY.

After he left Hayes in 1985, the 56K modem was one of many projects
he worked on in his retirement.

-- 
Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958
Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QO
Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcoleman
POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.

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From: bgirard@selkirk.sfu.ca (Bruce Girard)
Subject: Book - A Passion for Radio
   
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:01:07 GMT

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From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.noncomm
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about "Wireless Cable TV"
Keywords: Cable TV Wireless Microwave Point-To-Point
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:54:38 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

root@mjbtn.jobsoft.com (Mark J. Bailey [ADMIN]) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> I have been getting a spill about some "great new investment" opportunity
> about wirless cable tv.  It sounds alot like "interactive television" which
> I have studied in more detail and forsee many technical and logistical 
> problems with it that the "engineers" of the investment package seem to
> skip over quickly (IMHO).
> 
> Anyway, this wireless cable tv makes makes sense technically on first glance,
> but being skeptical :-), I wanted to seek input from the net group too.

Why don't you give us some of the info from the investment package so
we know what we are giving you info, analysis, etc. about.

E.G. how is it wireless? Satellite relay? Pay broadcast TV with scramblers?
What are you being told that your money would be buying? Equity in the
company? A loan? Franchise?

A.Lizard

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From: ko4fv@eng.auburn.edu (Brian Wingfield)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.noncomm
Subject: record libraries
Date: 4 Nov 92 01:26:18 GMT
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

Brian Wingfield, CE
WEGL FM 91.1
Auburn University, AL
(205) 844-4057
internet: ko4fv@eng.auburn.edu
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From: cdantoni@abacus.bates.edu (Chuck D'Antonio)
Subject: Planning concerns -- new studio possible
Organization: Bates College, Lewiston, Maine
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:35:01 GMT
Summary: Looking for info on studio specs

Bates College is currently developing plans for a new student center and for
additional academic facilities.  This could provide our radio station, WRBC
with the opportunity either relocate to the new student center or to get more
space in the building that we are now in.  Becuase of this, we are forming a
mini-committee to draw up a "wish list" for the new studios.  This will
contain primarily space requirments and layouts, but also new equipment, as
the document we produce will likely be kept on file as a long range capital
planning guide.  And so I put this question to the net -- what to ask for?

Currently, WRBC operates from basement facilities in a college owned house also
occupied by the Office of Career Services.  We have five rooms, but only four
are usable.  They are the record library, the office/transmitter room, the
music directors office/production studio (office is in a corner), and the main
studio.  I can't really guess as to square footage, but things are tight.  We
will definitely have to expand.

We are looking not only at space and equipment requirements, as noted earlier,
but also at design (soundproofing, storage, etc.).  One thing that is certain,
we will improve soundproofing.  We are also planning on installing compact 
shelving for the vinyl stacks.  Advice of any sort is welcomed -- if you love 
the way your station is set up, then send details of its studios; if you don't
write up what it is that you want and send it.  All advice is helpful.

Thanks,

Chuck

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