HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Low Oxygen Rates?new
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:41:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.224657.8075@ac.dal.ca>, whare@ac.dal.ca writes:

>	I just thought of a really cool idea to simulate running
>at high altitude. Take about four or five straws and stick'm in 
>your mouth and try running like that. When a big race comes up 
>just run normally and you'll feel like you're getting TONS more
>oxygen! Questions on whether it's harzadous towards your health?

 no dice, but you'd probably get strong lungs. one way of simulating
high altitude training is carying a tank of "high altitude air" on
your back and breath from it, which was done by a Swedish forward
in our soccer team some years back...




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From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Achey knee
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:31:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

In article <1992Oct12.223642.19469@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) writes:
>There never seems to be an end to sore knee questions here, but I have to ask
>
>Enough babbling.  When should one ice a knee and when should a person apply
>heat to it?  I usually assume ice is for swelling, but it feels so good(my knee
>isn't swollen).

  I always ice up afater a run.  I got into the habit when I was having 
  problems with soreness.

  Ice up every time when you're done running.

  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu
From: ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Orthotic Correction of Running Problems
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: ali@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

i too would like some info on orthotics.  i gave up running a few years ago after my 
first set of orthotics were stolen (go figure!!).  i've been hemming and hawing over the idea of spending $175-300 (yikes!!) for a while and have decided to look into it 
more fully so i know what i'm spending my $$ on.

thanks for any information.....

alan macaluso
From: rdsand@bb1t.monsanto.com (reality does what it wants...)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Exercise "Bike" and CrossTraining
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:52:06 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

My wife and I have "inherited" (read "someone in the family didn't want it 
and we are too wimpy to say no") an exercise bike recently.  I've never done 
any crosstraining on one of these things and I'm looking for advice. 
(I currently crosstrain by swimming and doing a little bit of weightlifting..)

This "bike" (if that's what they're called) is one of those that sits on 
the floor kind of like a rowing machine so that the seat is actually almost 
right on the floor and your feet go out in front of you to reach the 
pedals.  If possible, my goal would be to get a little extra leg work 
in (especially in the winter) without the additional pounding on the roads...

A few questions:

(1) Are these kinds of bikes safe for the knees, etc.?

(2) If they're safe, what kind of workout would be recommended, say, 
    twice a week or so?   (The bike has a tension knob on it, but 
    it doesn't work very well...)

THANKS!!!

-- 
Rodney Sanders
rdsand@ccmail.monsanto.com
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Galloway's shedules - structure of "form" workouts
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:44:15 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <19702.2ad558cd@ul.ie>, mullanej@ul.ie writes:

|> I have recently obtained a copy of "Galloways Book on Running"
|> (not easy to get on this side of the world) and I like his ideas on
|> lower mileage training. However, I am not clear on the structure he 
|> intends for "form" workouts. For instance in his 38 minute 10k schedule
|> these sessions occur on Tuesdays and Thursdays and the numbers 8-10 are
|> indicated. I assume that these refer to the number of repeats of the 
|> form accelerations and not to total miles run, but if so what should the
|> total mileage be on those days? Does it matter? In the text of the book
|> Galloway merely says that these accelerations can be incorporated into
|> your normal run.
|> 
|> Any advice or opinions would be appreciated.

My running coach is a big believer in Galloway and Daniels.  He has
me do 8 to 10 200s @ 32-35 second pace with a 200 jog in between.
These occur after every track workout, whether it's a VO2 Max, speed
or AT focused session.

The 200s remind my muscles how to run efficiently at speed.  When I
get tired towards the end of a long track session my form can become
sloppy.  The 200s are at medium-fast speed with the emphasis on form (or
"feel") to correct for the sloppiness.

Good luck!

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ahenden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arne A Henden)
Subject: Columbus Marathon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:29:54 GMT

The Columbus Marathon was held under nearly ideal conditions
Sunday Oct. 11.  Weather was in the low 50's during the race,
with little wind, partly sunny, some light rain for about 40 minutes
mid-race.  Approximately 4500 runners participated.
  The lead pack contained Hudson, Bennion, Hage, Huff, Tuttle
and Coates.  Bennion made a move at 10 miles, and at mile 17 the
pursuit pack had dwindled to Hudson, Hage, Coates and Tuttle.
At 19 miles, Hudson and Hage pulled away; Tuttle then faded,
leaving Coates to claim 4th place.  Bennion was leading by up
to 50 seconds at the mid part of the race, but tied up around
23 miles.  Hudson passed and ended up with a 30 second win.
  Joan Benoit-Samuleson was a late entry into the race and
had an easy win.  She looked strong, but had a little gait
problem early on that bothered her.  Second place Bussa had
a personal best by 12 minutes.
  The wheel chair race was highly competitive, with Rice and
Wagner duking it out until Wagner backed off at the finish to
avoid running over some pylons.

Times:

Men overall
1  Brad Hudson          2:13:51
2  Chad Bennion         2:14:26
3  Jim Hage             2:15:52
4  Budd Coates          2:17:00
5  Mark Stickley        2:18:02
6  John Tuttle          2:18:22
7  Jeff Evans           2:19:17
8  Gary Gargasz         2:19:32
9  Ivan Huff            2:20:22
10 Jeff Rawlins         2:24:45

Women Overall
1  Joan Samuelson       2:32:20
2  Diana Bussa          2:35:36
3  Rosa Gutierrez       2:36:38
4  Tammy Slusser        2:38:02
5  Lorraine Hochella    2:38:41
6  Debbi Kilpatrick     2:39:35
7  Lynn Deninno         2:44:45
8  Nancy Beiger         2:47:55
9  Alicia Kelly         2:50:52
10 Susan Hickey         2:58:51

Men's Wheelchair
1  Junior Rice          1:49:28
2  Rich Wagner          1:49:29
3  Robert Fitch         1:52:11
4  Greg McMahon         2:05:10
5  Keith Cable          2:06:09

Women's Wheelchair
1  Ann Walters          1:56:05
2  Diana McClure        2:22:07
3  Debbie Laplante      2:32:45
4  Mary Thompson        2:44:37

No Master's rankings were listed.  Total prize money = $90,000 with
first place worth $17K for both men and women.
From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Plantar fasciitis once more
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:27:55 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Okay, fellow heel pain sufferers, I've got another article for
anyone who wants it.  It's technical & contains a good many
references.  But the upshot seems to be that inflexibility
and muscular imbalance and deficit play a big role in
predisposing runners & other athletes to plantar fasciitis.

Makes sense to me.  I over-pronate and always have, but had
never come down with heel pain before.  But before the onset
I had greatly increased steepness & distance of runs & hikes,
and had been letting my legs get too tight.  

The article doesn't, unfortunately, specify what kind of regime
of strength-training and stretching might help during
rehabilitation.  If anyone has ideas please post them.

If you want a copy of the article just reply to this via
e-mail.

-- 
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  "Grammarians without any
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us upon that of Homer."
  (On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)     |     --Diogenes the Cynic
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jwlx_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeff Wilcox)
Subject: Re: I hate orthotics!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:43:21 GMT

In <9210022003.AA25395@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> LKim%StrEng%SwRI06@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU writes:


>	I need emotional support.  My orthotics are failing me.  Since 1990, 
>when orthotics were first prescribed for me, I've been through two 
>podiatrists, one physical therapist and three orthotics.  All without relief. 
> I still feel like I'm running on boards.

>	Does anyone here run with othotics?  I'd appreciate some advice and 
>tips on getting acclimated to these darn things.  Thanks.

I have them, and they don't bother me a bit.  They took about two weeks to
get used to.  They were a brand called 'Sporthotics'.  I don't know if this
matters but....

			Jeff Wilcox


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Cooper Test
Keywords: Cooper
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:58:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: unocal.1992Oct8.235802.6284
Organization: Unocal Corporation

In article <1992Oct08.170648.2716@CS.ORST.EDU> reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:
>
>  Cooper, the exercise guru from Texas by way of the Air Force assigns
>  fitness ratings and programs based on how far people can run in 12
>  minutes.
>
>  If you can go about 1.5 miles (you convert it to meters) you're in what
>  he calles "excellent" condition.  You can accept that if you want to, but
>  he also says that anyone running more than about three miles per day (or
>  earning more than, I think, 30 points per week) is doing it for reasons
>  other than training.
>
>  All physics and physilolgical arguments aside, the ability to run 10 miles
>  in 90 minutes seems to me to indicate a higher fitness achievement than
>  being able to run 1.5 miles in 12 minutes.

A study of Harvard alumni at their 25th reunion collarborates Cooper's results.
Defining fitness as minimal medical problems- the alumni who got 2000 kilocalories
of aerobic exercise a week did better than people on both sides.  More excercise
probably increases problems from injury.  A 150 lb person consumes 2000 kCs in
16 miles of running or walking.

I define fitness as being able to perform desired activities with minimal
strain.  I like climbing tall mountains and 5000 kCs a week keeps me in that
shape.  Other people are "fit" for other activities, e.g. biking, dancing,
soccer, etc.
From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Sore Knees
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:04:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

In article <1992Oct10.034116.15881@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhaines@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jennifer Haines) writes:
>I was diagnosed as having patellar tendonitis suring my spring
>track season.  I took three months off over the summer, and then

  Jennifer, I'll bet you a nickle your quads are not the same size.  This
  causes a posture imbalance which causes you to favor one leg over the other
  which causes knee pain which causes you to favor one leg which causes an
  imbalance in your quads which causes.....

  This happened to me, and I got on the stair master for about four months,
  and glory, glory hallaluya I can walk again... a miricle :-)

  In fact, I was so crippled with knee pain and chondromalacia and shin
  splints that I literally couldn't walk.  I finally broke down and went
  to a sports guy who was used to treating healt{hy patients and he did
  a bunch of measurements and all sorts of othe stuff and sent me off to
  the physical therapist. He also gave be a prescription to Motrin which
  helped the pain.

  Anyway.... give it a try.

  Good luck
  Jay Reidy
  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu
  .
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cdis76@email.mot.com (Deena Snell)
Subject: achilles heel
Organization: Motorola
Distribution: rec.running
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:59:52 GMT

My training partner and I have been preparing for the Chicago Marathon which 
is 2 weeks from Sunday.  His achilles heel on one foot suddenly started 
hurting.  It only hurts when he runs.  He has been staying off of it for over
a week now.  What is the best thing to do for an achilles heel -- ice or 
heat, etc.?  He would like to clear the problem up before the marathon
on the 25th.
From: lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Orthotic Correction of Running Problems
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:21:41 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1992Oct13.185130.5663@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> maveety@bcarh1e6.bnr.ca (Steve Maveety) writes:

>
>Orthotics can be expensive, how much of a black art is diagnosis?
>(Can a good specialist usually provide the necessary correction
> the first time or is it trial and error for most people?)
>-
It is a black art and definetly empirical.  Still, I think they're useful 
for those with biomechanical problems that keep them from running the 
mileage they'd wish to.  Go to a local runner's store and find the name of a 
good podiatrist. 
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From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Training of kids?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 08:37:45 GMT
Organization: VTT / Lab. of Structural Engineering
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rat.vtt.fi

Hi,

Has anybody been training young children (10-14 years) to run? As a coach
of several such kids (in orienteering though) I would be interested in your
comments and suggestions about the following:

The children are known to have a much lesser ability to tolerate the lactic
acid than the adults. In orienteering this causes troubles because the stuff
makes the efficient concentration into orienteering impossible. The courses
of kids of that age consist mainly of paths and trails. That's where they'll
easily develope the lactic acid in them just by running too hard. Later when
they have to concentrate on finding the next control point (no matter how
easy spot) they cannot do it without a delay any more because of the overdose
of lactic acid. We say that the stuff went into their heads then!

As for a cure for this I am looking for ways of how to increase their ability
to tolerate the lactic acid. It means that their VO2max should be increased
some way. I suppose everybody knows that anaerobic training is not good for
kids of that age. And also, too hard training may cause the kids to choose
another sport! So this should be done "in secret" and preferably all together.

I also want to add that the kids in question are not newcomers but in fact
very able runners. For example my son (only 12 years old) is one of them and
a while ago he run 3750 m in 13,5 minutes (cross country) which 90% of the
adults cannot do.

-- 
Tapio Leino               email: Tapio.Leino@vtt.fi
VTT / Laboratory of Structural Engineering
PL 26, SF-02151 ESPOO, Finland
tel. -358-0-456 6683  telefax  -456 7003
From: ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Columbus Marathon
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:36:46 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <1992Oct12.132954.5202@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ahenden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arne A Henden) wrote:

> Women's Wheelchair
> 1  Ann Walters          1:56:05
> 2  Diana McClure        2:22:07
> 3  Debbie Laplante      2:32:45

This isn't by any chance the Debbie LaPlante who competed in the hurdles
for Canada in the 70s and 80s.  Does anyone know?

Larry Ehmer
ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu
From: mullanej@ul.ie
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Galloway's shedules - structure of "form" workouts
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:59:29 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <7099@transfer.stratus.com>, halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
> In article <19702.2ad558cd@ul.ie>, mullanej@ul.ie writes:
>> ... However, I am not clear on the structure he 
>> intends for "form" workouts. For instance in his 38 minute 10k schedule
>> these sessions occur on Tuesdays and Thursdays and the numbers 8-10 are
>> indicated. I assume that these refer to the number of repeats of the 
>> form accelerations and not to total miles run, but if so what should the
>> total mileage be on those days?
 
 
> 	I have the Galloway book here in front of me. I interpert those numbers
> (8-10) to be miles runs, not the number of 'form pick-ups'. On page 56, he
> describes form work as 4-to-8 pickups of 100-200 yards incorporated into the
> daily run twice a week.
> 
> 	You'll notice in his schedules, when the numbers mean something other
> than miles he puts the units into parenthesis. For example, in the Hill
> Training section on Tuesdays the workout is "8-10(Hills)". Also note, he
> still has those days listed as "form" days.


Now I *am* confused! I received four E-mail replies to my posting, only one
of which agrees with your interpretation. The others assume that only 8-10
acceleration repeats are required, plus warm up and down, on Tuesday and
Thursday. My reason for assuming that these figures did not refer to miles
was that Galloway suggests increasing the longer runs on Sundays by "1 mile
per week up to 12". This did not seem to me to be compatible with running
two ten milers from the first week of base training. Indeed his 35 minute 10k
schedule (well beyond my ability) has the numbers 10-12 in the "form" days.
What would be the point in gradually increasing the longer runs (my emphasis)
                                                    ***********
to 12 miles if that distance is already being run twice every week?

Also does your last paragraph mean that the "hills" workouts must include
both accelerations and hill repetitions? Whatever happened to low-mileage
training? :-)
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai)
Subject: phosphates, nutrition
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:00:56 GMT


	I was reading one of those body-building magazines the
other day.  Included was a long editorial by some guy saying that
phosphates are important in increasing strength and especially
endurance.  There seems to be a lot of controversy about that
idea in their community.  It seems drinking lots of sodium
phosphate, as is found in Phos-Fuel (tm) for example is supposed
to reduce the burn from lactate build up in tired muscles.

	Does anybody here who does long distance running have
experience or references about increased use of this nutrient.
It sounds like a bunch of marketing hype for this stuff.

Nutritionally yours,
J.P. Papai
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mmcintos@monashee.sfu.ca (Michael McIntosh)
Subject: Seattle runs
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:24:07 GMT

Does anyone have suggestions on some good 10-15k runs in and around
Seattle? Routes near public showers that show off the city and its landscape
are preferable.  I will be visiting in November, and hope to work in a
run or two.  Thanks in advance,
                 Mike.

                 mmcintos@sfu.ca
From: dme@cs.bu.edu (David Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Need ride: Cambridge to Derry NH, 17 Oct
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:16:34 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: dme@cs

I'm running in the Mack's Run for the Apples 10 Mi race this Saturday
and would appreciate a ride if anyone is going there from the Boston
or Cambridge area. I am meeting a friend there and may not need a
ride back.

Thanks. Dave Evans dme@cs.bu.edu
home: 617-661-3644  work 617-492-8860 x751
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From: klinich@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.bicycles,rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Need: heart rate monitor book
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:16:28 EDT

I need the name of the recommended book for training with a heart rate monitor.
Its something like "Training Lactate .....".  Author's name and publisher would
help me too, for ordering it from my local book store.  Thanks in advance.
             
                                              George
From: gthome@dss1.austin.ibm.com (Gerry Thome         (8-2256))
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Weights and Running?
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:36:18 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Oct4.122721.7942@ac.dal.ca> whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>	Why does it seem that runners past the 400 meter mark
>have really weak upper bodies? I know there is that weight to 
>power type ratio but I've read so many articles on world class
>runners who don't weight train. One guy even said the only way 
>to run faster is to run more. Peeves me a lot.

sig deleted

In my opinion it may seem that all distance runners are wimpy.  Most elite
runner do some type of strengthening work -- it does not have to be 
weights.  Circuit training is very good for middle-distance.long distance
runners.  Lots of pushups, situps (hundreds upon hundreds), lunges are
great for ANY runner (or athlete for that matter).

If anyone wants to try circuit training here's a cycle one could do 
daily -

A circuit is a set of stations.  At each station you do a specific exercise.
I generally go around a cicrcuit three times per workout.

Station 1.  30 pushups
Station 2.  75 crunches
Station 3.  8 lunges with each leg
Station 4.  Do squats for 30 seconds, no weight

Make a 50-100 meter jog between stations, no resting !!!
When doing crunches vary every 20 or so.  Keep your left foot on the ground,
then your right foot, then both, -- you get the picture.

If you've never done lunges be prepared to be SORE.  It's very important
for any runner (sprinter to marathoner) to have a strong trunk.  That is 
why so many situps/lunges/squats are necessary.

Also, if you have a friend and a 10 pound medicine ball add a Station 5. 
35 tosses of the medicine ball straight out from your chest, never drop
your arms.  Each person throws the ball 35 times.

I've coached many runners and this helps everyone.  If you've got the time
and are serious about getting better, this will help.

Gerry Thome     
TAC Certified Track and Field Coach (Level 1)
>
>	P.S. Just a note, Carl Lewis does NO weight
>	training!!-- 
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