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Subject: January Hunt Results PT. II (fwd)

              JANUARY HUNT RESULTS PT. II


Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:14:03 PST
From: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.EDU (Rick Gates)
Subject: January Hunt Results


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6. (2) What is the primary religion in Somalia?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: almost entirely Sunni Muslim.

   Search Strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   7.  The Researcher/
   4.  Social Sciences/
   4.  CIA World Factbook <?>
   index word: somalia
   3.  Somalia

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (simona): gopher scilibx.ucsc.edu 70
   choice 6, Library
   choice 6, Electronic Reference Books
   choice 2, CIA World Factbook 1991
   choice 2, Search CIA World Factbook 1991
   choice 2, Somalia
             Under the heading of Religion: Sunni Muslim

   COMMENT (clay): I used the Panix gopher!

Other Answers
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   1. telnet quake.think.com
   2. login: wais
   3. goto 351:   [ cmns-moon.think.com]  world-factbook
   4. search for somalia

   The answer is

   Religion: almost entirely Sunni Muslim

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   ! Used the Univ. of Minnesota Gopher.
   ! Selected Electronic Books and performed a keyword search
   ! on SOMALIA
   ! Presented me with World Facts Book entry for Somalia.

   ! Full Gopher technical entry listed below
   Name=Somalia   /Gutenberg/factbook/S/
   Type=0
   Port=70
   Path=R0-8684-/Gutenberg/factbook/S/Somalia
   Host=joeboy.micro.umn.edu

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7. (4)  I understand that the Net is being put to use
distributing information and pictures of missing children.
Where can I find out more, and where can I find the pictures?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: missing child GIFs are available through FidoNet.
   On the Internet, they can be ftp'd from halcynom.com.  More
   information can be obtained from Marv Cotton, the Heidi
   Search Center, 2402 Pat Booker Rd., Universal City, TX
   78148-3210, email: marv.cotton@fquest.fidonet.org.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   2.  Other Internet Systems and Databases/
   8.  Search FTP Sites (Archie)/
   1.  Exact search of Archive sites on the Internet <?>
   index word: alt.missing-kids
   2.  cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (des): The news-group "alt.missing-kids" is the place
   to look.  The "official" site for the gifs (they have
   hundreds) is "halcyon.com".  The gifs (and related files)
   are in "pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs".

           anonymous ftp to halcyon.com
           cd pub/alt.missing-kids.gif

Other Answers
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   On the French EMBnet gopher there is a directory for all
   newsgroups.  I found a group called alt/missing-kids. Using
   this as a keyword for archie I got this menu:

      Internet Gopher Information Client v1.1

      cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids/

      -->  1.  missing-child-gifs.

   This file contains the following:
     I would like to remind everyone that the Missing Child GIFs
     are available through the FIDO Filebone, also distribution
     can be made by Freqing and returning the REQUEST.ZIP form
     from 387/622, 2612/107, 384/3 or 343/34.

   INTERNET: The GIFs are available for FTP from Halcyon.COM
   or Fquest.

   RIME:  The GIFs are available through Russell Coombs.

   GT or other Nets please get in touch with me to ensure the
   GIFs are
   available to you.

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   [Rick: The following didn't get full points, but it seems
   like valuable information for those interested in pursuing
   this topic.]

   ! Used Veronica to keyword search on Children and
   ! Found a listing and Missing Children, this is all that
   ! I located pertaining to a database being planned.

   This item moved over AppleLink 6-Feb-92, 23:20PST.

   SCHENECTADY, NY - Computer Users for Social
   Responsibility, Inc.

   CUSR is also negotiating with a major online service to
   host a Child Find Forum online which will act as an
   educational and distribution center on the issue of missing
   children. More than 75 million Americans own a personal
   computer and 25% of those have access to a modem which
   allows them to engage in online communcations, Rittner said.

   To contact Don Rittner from the INTERNET:
   drittner@uacs1.albany.edu
   OR
   UG0194@AppleLink.Apple.COM

   OR home 518 374-1088
   snail mail is 1726 Lenox Rd., Schenectady, NY 12308"

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8. (4) Where can I find tables listing the nutritive values of
different foods?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: the tables are in the USDA Nutrient Data BAse for
   Standard Reference, Release 10--Nutrient Data from
   Agricultural Handbook No.  8.  There are more than 20 files
   of data.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   9.  The World/
   1.  Other Internet Gopher Servers/
   8.  Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/
   2.  Search many (300) Internet gopher servers by Single
   keyword <?> index word: nutrition
   1.  Nutrition Information/
   1.  Nutrient Data/
   2.  Data/
   2.  SR10/

Team Winner's Answer
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   ANSWER (tovah, mintak): anonymous ftp to info.umd.edu
           cd info/Goverment/US/NutrientData/Data/SR10

   The files that exist here are the raw data in computer format.

           cd info/Government/US/NutrientData/Bulletins

   datalist    --  contains ordering information of database information
   datadesc    --  contains file format of data
   filedesc    --  contains file descriptions of the files.

   Note:  The data in the SR10 is split up among many files. You have to
          read filedesc to figure which file goes with what.

Other Answers
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   Telnet University of Minnesota gopher:
   consultant.micro.umn.edu.  Select 9 (other), 2 (search
   Veronica) and search "nutrition".  Select 1 (nutrition
   information), 1 (nutrient data), 2 (data), 1 (other), 4
   (hg72.doc), 3 (hg72.dat).  It was necessary to look at the
   Readme files in the final selection options before making
   the correct choice.

   [Rick: I checked, and the data in all of these files is stored
   in ascii comma delimited format, a format readable by most
   database managers and spreadsheets.)

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9. (3) What is the text of the 1st Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: Congress shall make no law respecting an
   establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
   thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the
   press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
   to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

   Search strategy:
   telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher)
   6.  The Library/
   3.  Electronic Books and Other Texts/
   15.  Historical Documents/
   1.  Amendments

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (simona): anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org
           cd /pub/academic/civics
           file is called constitution.us

   COMMENT (reynolds): ftp to either ftp.uu.net (in docs I
   think), or one of the ftp sites at utoronto.edu

   [Rick: 1 point off for not giving me the text.]

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10. (5) You know, I've gotten a lot of good network information by
FTPing files from nnsc.nsf.net.  What kind of computer and operating
system is nnsc.nsf.net?

   Individual Winner's Answer
   --------------------------
   Answer: SUN-3/280 running UNIX.

   Search strategy:
   telnet nic.ddn.mil
   @ whois
   whois: host nnsc.nsf.net

Team Winner's Answer
--------------------
   ANSWER (des):
       % whois nnsc.nsf.net
       NSFNet (CIC2)
          Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
          10 Moulton Street
          Cambridge, MA  02138

          Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
          Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
          Address: 128.89.1.178
   >>>>>  System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX

          Coordinator:
             Mills, Cynthia G.  (CGM6)  cmills@BBN.COM
             (617) 873-4143

          domain server
          NSFNET End-User Support

          Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.


   To see this host record with registered users, repeat the
   command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to
   show JUST the registered users.

       %

   HINT (reynolds): The hosts file at nic.ddn.mil might have
   this information.

   (nina): nslookup will do this, but I don't have the syntax
   handy right now.

Other Answers
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   [Rick: I think the following is the best answer]

   Answer: SUN-3/280 running SunOS release 4.1.1

         First TELNET NIC.DDN.MIL or 192.112.36.5
         @WHOIS
         Whois: NNSC.NSF.NET

   ! Lets see what the official NIC entry about NNSC.NSF.NET
   ! says.  Extra info provided such as who to contact with
   ! questions.

         NSFNet (CIC2)
           Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
           10 Moulton Street
           Cambridge, MA  02138

           Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET
           Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET
           Address: 128.89.1.178

   ! Next line is simple blurb about computer system and
   ! operating system

           System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX

           Coordinator:
              Mills, Cynthia G.  (CGM6)  cmills@BBN.COM
              (617) 873-4143

           domain server
           NSFNET End-User Support

           Record last updated on 26-Mar-92.

   ! Last update 26-Mar-92?  Let us check to see if we got all
   ! the info, let's connect through TELNET and check a few more
   ! details.

         Telnet NNSC.NSF.NET or 128.89.1.178 and you get:
         SunOS UNIX (nnsc.nsf.net)

   ! Those familiar with unix may know that there is often a
   ! standard login entry called sync which will show detailed
   ! info, below is revealed the exact version of the operation
   ! system.

   login: sync
   SunOS Release 4.1.1 (NNSC) #2: Fri Oct 16 17:21:31 EDT 1992

-----
   Telnet to the Knowbot white pages (Telnet 134.82.11.4 185).
   Enter "nnsc.nsf.net" yields results:
   > nnsc.nsf.net

   Name:         NSFNet
   Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
   Address:      10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA  02138,
   Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET,
   Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET, Address: 128.89.1.178,
   System: SUN-3/280 running UNI X,
   [etc...]

   [Rick: Many players noted that during the process of connecting
   to this host you get a message that this is a Sun running
   Unix.  The information above is more specific, and thus
   received more points.]
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Extra Credit. (1)  Where can I find the exact time?

Individual Winner's Answer
--------------------------
   Answer: the National Bureau of Standards Time Service gives
   you the current time as read from the National Bureau of
   Standards reference clock in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

   Search strategy:
   telnet nessie.cc.wwu.edu (username: LIBS)
   4.  Databases and Information Services
   7.  Weather/Time/Earthquakes
   3.  National Bureau of Standards Time Service

Team Winner's Answer
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   HINT (reynolds): Look in comp.protocols.time.ntp. A good
   site probably is the United States Naval Observatory.

   (rpowers): From the doc file for a PD program call AtomClock:

   AtomClock will dial the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington
   D.C., read the 1200 BAUD time signal their atomic clock puts
   out and set the Amiga system clock accordingly.

   The phone # is 1-202-653-0351.  I don't know if there is
   internet access to this.

   (des): The above is not really an "Internet" answer to the
   question, as it bypasses the Internet.

   I could not find an Internet-site specifically for this, but
   the site "louie.udel.edu" is the net-repository for ntp
   (Network Time Protocol) software and is itself an ntp server
   synchronized to the "exact time" of the atomic-clock:

       louie.udel.edu (128.175.1.3)
       Location: University of Delaware, Newark, DE
   >>> Synchronization: NTP secondary (stratum 2), Vax-11/780/Unix
       Service area: NSFNET, SURA region
       Access policy: open access
       Contact: Dave Mills (mills@udel.edu)

   Thus that site certainly should have the correct time. Doing
   an anonymous ftp to this site, yields the correct time in
   the introductory message:

   % ftp louie.udel.edu
   Connected to louie.udel.edu.
   220-Welcome to the University of Delaware EE/CIS ftp server!
   220-
   220-Anonymous users:
   220-
   220-    Please do not upload any image files.
   220-
   220-    Please avoid our busy times, 10:00 - 17:00 weekdays.
   220-    We are on the east coast of the United States.
   220-    Local time is Thu Jan  7 18:45:59 1993.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   (jhawk):
   [sun!jhawk] ~> telnet louie.udel.edu daytime
   Trying 128.175.1.3 ...
   Connected to louie.udel.edu.
   Escape character is '^]'.
   Thu Jan  7 19:27:41 1993
   Connection closed by foreign host.

Rick's Answer
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   telnet a2i.rahul.net
   login: guest
   choose t
   and you get a running readout..

   >> Current time
   Hit ^C to abort...
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:40 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:41 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:42 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:43 1993
   Thu Jan 21 13:23:44 1993

      etc...

   choose f for Interesting features and you will find the
   following explanation:

   The a2i system clock is indirectly traceable to NIST via the Network
   Time Protocol.  It is usually accurate to within 0.3 seconds.  (Select
   "t" from the menu to get a second-by-second count.)

Other Answers
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   The "exact" time is relative. You can find the time that any
   computer on the Internet has by

   telnet hostname daytime.

   The host india.colorado.edu is supposedly connected to the
   NBS reference clock in Colorado Springs. This should be as
   "exact" as you need. For example,

   telnet india.colorado.edu daytime

   gives:

   Trying 128.138.140.44 ...
   Connected to india.colorado.edu.
   Escape character is '^]'.
   Sun Jan 10 11:25:22 1993
   Connection closed by foreign host.

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     Also found with the help of Veronica:
     Name=Current Date and Time (Pacific)
     Type=0
     Port=70
     Path=0/computing/ian-testing/give-date
     Host=whistler.sfu.ca
   or
     if you are on a UNIX system use the Network Time Protokol
     (NTP) with the appropriate software to have your system time
     updated via the net.

-----
   Use a time-serving host, e.g. tutimea.tuwien.ac.at, for reference.

   [Rick: Another tricky extra credit.  I knew the service at
   tycho.usno.navy.mil was not working as advertised.  The Network
   Time Protocol keeps the system clocks up-to-date on most Unix
   hosts on the Net. For many folks, the time on their own local
   host is as accurate as they could want.  I believe the service
   mentioned above for the Amiga also has a parallel for Macs over
   the network.  If I find more info, I'll post it later.]

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Mystery Question
----------------
Howdy,   I just saw your latest internet hunt questions, and I
am thinking that you are the right person to ask this question.
I have been trying to locate an online source of the billboard
top 100, or top forty for country,soul or r&b. I know that
billboard magazine is indexed in asap2 which is offered by
Dialog, and I have tried searching it, but no luck, any
suggestions thanks dan mahoney dmahone@hal.unm.edu

Answers
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   Here is an update on the Billboard charts for the week
   ending 12/12/92: Copyright Billboard Magazine (1992)
   To see this file try "finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu".

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   ANSWER (nina): anonymous ftp to cs.uwp.edu
            look in the directory pub/music/lists/billboard.

           (ss): finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu

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   Mystery Question: According to "archie billboard", host
   cs.uwp.edu is supposed to have a /pub/music/billboard
   directory.  Upon FTPing there, I discovered that they no
   longer have it.  What they do have in /pub/music/info are
   the weekly Record & Radio industry top 20's.

-----
   [Rick: This can also be found with a simple veronica search on
   the term "billboard".  It yields:

      -->  1.  (dir) Billboard Charts/
      -->  9.  jan23.1993/
      -->  1.  CHART: US Top10 (1/23)
   ]


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