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From: mjl@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
Subject: BT credit lists?
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:03:31 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I recently tried to request of BT (on 150) that a phone be installed for
an elderly relative who has lived in his rented house for nearly 40 years
but without a phone.

They seemed to have some problems with this, and I was not getting what I would
expect to be the usual "certainly sir , pleased to have a new customer" type of
response.

Without going into too much detail, the problem seemed to centre around the
absense of his ADDRESS on their computer database. I pointed out that since he
had never had a phone then they probably dont have his address! However, they
seemed to be referring to some kind of credit listings, which apparently are
concerned with credit ratings of addresses rather than the people who live
there. 

Is this really true that credit ratings of addresses are used to determine in
advance the likely creditability of a person living there, does anyone know?

I might point out that in this case the address probably has never held credit
because he always paid up front and bought nothing he could not afford. He even
offered to pay up front at the BT shop but there is no mechanism for that! I am
concerned that we may be entering the time when if you are unusual enough NOT
to have credit cards then as you have no positive credit references you 
suffer almost as though you had a negative reference.

Martin Loach
Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: jon_sree@world.std.com (Jon Sreekanth)
Subject: Re: Answering machine that calls out
Organization: The World
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:20:20 GMT

In article <Steve.00pa@donald.demon.co.uk> Steve@donald.demon.co.uk (Steve Gilbert) writes:


   Is there such a thing as an answering machine which will call a specific
   number programmed into it when someone has left a message?

   If there is such a machine, how much do they cost ? I would like to
   get a machine which will call my bleeper at work when someone has left a
   message, so that I can ring in and retrieve it remotely.


Yes, there is. Panasonic makes such a machine. There's one listed in 
a catalog called Hello Direct, for $249. "Program this smart phone to
call you when a new message comes in", says the blurb. Another unit, 
called Answer Page, company name not mentioned, $249 also, specifically 
has beeper call-out capability : "after your caller hangs up, it 
instantly calls your beeper ... to tell you a message has arrived...
A number code you've pre-programmed will appear on your pager ... etc".
Hello Direct is at 800-444-3556 or 408-972-1990

/ Jon Sreekanth

Assabet Valley Microsystems, Inc.           |  Fax and PC products
5 Walden St #3, Cambridge, MA 02140         |  (617) 876-8019
jon_sree@world.std.com                      |

Newsgroups: uk.telecom
From: rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson)
Subject: Re: BT credit lists?
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:58:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.100331.11097@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mjl@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>Is this really true that credit ratings of addresses are used to determine in
>advance the likely creditability of a person living there, does anyone know?
>
Yes, unfortunately it is true. Credit reference agencies store information
against the address. If you have been refused credit because someone else who
used to live at the address has a bad record, you can get an amendment made.
You can get a copy of your record from an agency by paying a fee of L1.
The data protection registrar wants the agencies to stop storing info against
addresses, but this will probably take a while to change.
-- 
Richard Tomlinson, EDS Scicon Ltd, Wavendon Tower, Milton Keynes, UK MK17 8LX
rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk   Tel:  +44 908 284539          Amateur radio: G4TGJ
All opinions expressed are mine, and are not necessarily those of my employer.
Newsgroups: uk.bcs.misc
From: peter@def.bae.co.uk (Peter Salenieks)
Subject: Re: Engineers etc.
Reply-To: peter@def.bae.co.uk
Organization: British Aerospace (Defence) Ltd.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:39:11 GMT

In article 93Jan4140331@csthor.aber.ac.uk, aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby) writes:
>
>> If the BCS is just going to be for engineers, it should rename itself the
>> Institute of Information Systems Engineers or something and make it explicit.
>> If it's going to be for everyone in computing, as the current name implies,
>> it should value us all equally.
>
>On almost every bit of paperwork I receive from the BCS, there is a
>subtitle which reads "The Society of Information Systems Engineering"
>(note: not "Information Engineering" as Lindsay Marshall seems to have
>been saying) so I suppose they have come close to making it explicit.

The Royal Charter clearly states that the remit of the Society extends
beyond engineers. I don't have a quotation from the Charter to hand,
but a pie chart which appeared in some of the membership brochures
suggests that the professional membership encompasses all areas of the
profession. The percentages cited in `Introducing the British Computer
Society' (ref: ZA10/SM/10/89) may be a little out of date now, but give
an indication of the breadth of membership:

25% systems analysts and programmer
21% DP management
21% general management
13% academic
 8% consultants
 7% operations
 4% engineers
 1% other

If the student membership is taken into account, the proportion of
academic members becomes larger and it is empirically true that they
are well represented among the active membership of the Society. Note
that the definition of `engineer' used to obtain these figures may differ
from the one implied by recent articles posted to this newsgroup. If
anyone has figures keyed to the BCS Industry Structure Model, they
would give a more accurate picture.

Pete.
From: sr@mp.co.umist.ac.uk (Simon Read)
Newsgroups: uk.bcs.misc
Subject: Re: Computer Bulletin
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:42:45 GMT
Organization: UMIST Sun 630, Manchester Computing Centre, UK

In article <C0oo3H.3K4@newcastle.ac.uk> Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall) writes:

   Was anyone else as disgusted as I was with the article in the Computer
   Bulletin about grammar checkers? How can they let someone write an
   article that promotes their own product quite so shamlessly without
   marking it clearly "Advertising Feature".

   L.

I agree whole-heartedly. Other companies have to *PAY* to have 2 pages
of advertising space. How come the author of this article didn't? With
the BCS finances as they are, we should all be asking that question.

Or are the editors of Bulletin so short of material?


Simon Read
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Simon.Read@umist.ac.uk
From: amn@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Anthony Naggs)
Newsgroups: uk.bcs.misc
Subject: Re: Computer Bulletin
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:41:18 GMT
Reply-To: amn@vms.bton.ac.uk
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

In article <SR.93Jan11124245@zen.mp.co.umist.ac.uk> sr@mp.co.umist.ac.uk (Simon Read) writes:
>
>Or are the editors of Bulletin so short of material?

Probably.  Why not offer an article on your favourite subject?  As long
as -you- aren't advertising too!

Anthony Naggs
(Software/Electronics Engineer)
From: Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall)
Newsgroups: uk.bcs.misc
Subject: Computer Bulletin
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:38:05 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Was anyone else as disgusted as I was with the article in the Computer
Bulletin about grammar checkers? How can they let someone write an
article that promotes their own product quite so shamlessly without
marking it clearly "Advertising Feature".

L.

MAIL :	Lindsay.Marshall@newcastle.ac.uk
POST :	Computing Laboratory, The University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU
VOICE:	+44-91-222-8267
FAX  :	+44-91-222-8572
From: aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby)
Newsgroups: uk.bcs.misc
Subject: Re: Engineers etc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:03:31 GMT
	<ARO.92Dec18173033@csthor.aber.ac.uk> <BzLzI3.3J6@newcastle.ac.uk>
Reply-To: aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby)
Distribution: uk
Organization: CS Dept, University College of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <BzLzI3.3J6@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>
> >Building research systems, whether you make a genine contribution to
> >the field or not, is frequently (though not always) significantly
> >different to building industrial strength systems, and should be.
>
> That's certainly true. For one thing research is creative, and seems to
> be much harder work (PhDs take long hours, and you have much more
> responsibility and less help available than a junior programmer does).

Though PhD students often work inefficiently either because they just
work that way, or lack the level of support that a junior engineer
would hope to have in industry.  I think the big distinction is not in
creativity (there's lots of creativity in industry), nor in how hard
people have to work (there seems to be a wide variation) but in the
degree of collaboration with other people and the way in which various
constraints have to be met.

> If the BCS is just going to be for engineers, it should rename itself the
> Institute of Information Systems Engineers or something and make it explicit.
> If it's going to be for everyone in computing, as the current name implies,
> it should value us all equally.

On almost every bit of paperwork I receive from the BCS, there is a
subtitle which reads "The Society of Information Systems Engineering"
(note: not "Information Engineering" as Lindsay Marshall seems to have
been saying) so I suppose they have come close to making it explicit.

--
Andrew Ormsby	 AI & Robotics Research Group, Department of Computer Science,
aro@aber.ac.uk   University of Wales, Aberystwyth, SY23 3DB, UK.
From: mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm)
Newsgroups: uk.bcs.announce
Subject: IEE - "Special Needs & the Interface" - 13/1/93
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:40:17 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

From: ucjtefw@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Frank Wilson)
IEE Colloquium on "Special Needs and the Interface" 
January 13th, 10.00am, IEE, Savoy Place, London.

N "When do old people find displays difficult"
Dr Pat Rabbitt,
Age and Cognitive Performance Research Unit,
University of Manchester

N "Including Special Needs in IT Design"
Mr Frank Wilson
London HCI Centre

N "Adaptable and Configurable Computer Systems enabling Access by Disabled People"
Mr Paul Blenkhorn
UMIST

N "Multi Media Access to Graphical User Interfaces for Blind People"
Ms Helen Petrie
RNIB

N "Telecommunications Interfaces for Deaf People"
Nicholas Osman-Allu
RNID

N "Earcons, Mathematics and the Interface"
Robert Stevens
University of York

N "Enhancing Text to Synthesised Speech for Blind People"
Peter Simpson
University of Surrey

N "Human Factors Aspects of the Design of a Speech Understanding System"
Catriona McDermid
University of Surrey

N "Videotelephony in Norway"
Kari Hamnes
Norwegian Telecom

N "Learning systems for young people with mental impairement"
Jan-Ingvar Lindstrom
Infologics Inc.
Sweden

N "Computer-based Aids for People with Special Needs"
Raymond Evans
Papworth Group

For Details and Registration Information contact :
    Martin Barrett
    IEE PG C5
    Savoy Place
    London WC2R 0BL
    Tel: 071 240 1871
    Fax: 071 497 3633
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-- 
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Then I was gone, and in my place - a cat with green eyes.
    )     <-- Cheshire Smiley?
From: russin@dynas.se (Peter Rostin)
Subject: Re: finns i unix motsvarighet till vms [adam...]???
Organization: DynaSoft, Dynamic Software AB
Distribution: swnet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:02:49 GMT

>In article <1993Jan4.214204.11874@pollux.lu.se> Bo Servenius <Bo.Servenius@wblag.lu.se> writes:
>>alltsa hur kan unix handskas med hela directory strukturer 
>>utan definierat djup - tex som ovan vid renameing?

magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:
>Jag tror mig ha sett att n}got nyare skal (zsh?) har inbyggda funktioner
>f|r att hantera konstruktioner i stil med VMS' [adam...] och sedan
>skicka det vidare till ens program, men jag {r inte s{ker.

Om man kompletterar med Perl och rename-scriptet som f|ljer med (ca 10 rader
perl-kod) samt installerar zsh s} skulle ett rename-kommando f|r att byta
namn p} alla underliggande filer som heter *.foo till *.bar bli t.ex.:

rename 's/\.foo$/.bar/' **/*.foo

'**' st}r i zsh f|r n}got ungef{r som ... i VMS (antar jag efter ditt exempel).
Fr}n programmens synpunkt s} {r det bara en massa filnamn precis som med * i
vanlig shell. Detta g|r att zsh knappast {r speciellt anv{ndbart (i detta
avseende) p} annat {n maskiner som till}ter (betydligt) st|rre argv {n 4096
tecken.
rename tar ett vanligt Perl-expression som argument 1, t.ex. subsitute som
ovan. Det g}r allts} att g|ra betydligt mer {n att bara byta foo mot bar.

Om det {r bra eller d}ligt att det kr{vs separata program som Perl och zsh
f|r att l|sa s} h{r pass enkla saker p} ett praktiskt s{tt kan naturligtvis
diskuteras. Detta {r v{l dock snarast en religi|s }siktsfr}ga....

F|r er som inte redan har installerat det s} rekommenderas Perl varmt ({ven
zsh rekommenderas men i mindre grad {n perl).
-- 
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 Address: Hammarby Fabriksv 13, Box 92058             Fax: +46-8-641 92 00
 Address: S-120 06 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN
From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: swnet.svenska
Subject: Re: Alfabetet
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:06:20 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <7606@pkmab.se>, ske@pkmab.se (Kristoffer Eriksson) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.225342.23165@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
|> >Element{rt min k{re Watson. Du kan tycka att Sverige borde vara
|> >republik, men det {r inte p} m}nga s{tt du kan bryta mot regeln
|> >om monarki. M|jligen kan du v{gra resa dej f|r kungen. Men, om 
|> >jag } andra sidan anser att det borde vara till}tet att cykla mot
|> >r|tt ljus under f|ruts{ttning att jag ser mej f|r och inte hindrar
|> >n}gon, kan jag ocks} bryta mot regeln om r|dljus.
|> 
|> Jag vill bara notera att det d{r {r inte exempel p} n}gra konventioner,
|> utan exempel p} lagstiftning. Du h{vdar ju att alfabetet {r en konvention.
|> 

Slant dina fingrar eller {r det s} att man m}ste resa sig f|r kungen, 
enligt lag? I s} fall vilken? Vad kan man f} f|r straff?  :-)

______________________________________________________________________________
Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow
Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
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Newsgroups: swnet.svenska
From: ulfb@ulfb.nada.kth.se (Ulf Berggren)
Subject: Re: Norrland... (var: Re: Sk}nska och norrl{ndska)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: swnet
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:01:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.191536.11021@kullmar.se> ingvar@kullmar.se (Ingvar B{ckestrand) writes:
>Den mest omfattande kolonialiseringen av Norrland skedde under 1800-talet
>d} det marknadsf|rdes som det f|rlovade landet och tom som ett alternativ
>till Amerika f|r de som ville undkomma de allt mer t{tbefolkade s|dra
>delarna av sverige.
>
>Denna statliga kampanj kan kanske ocks} ses som ett s{tt att f} arbetskaft
>till den snabbt v{xande virkesn{ringen.
>
>S} st|rre delen av befolkningen f|re AMS-lassen borde n}gra
>generationer tillbaka vara {ttlingar till s|rl{nningar.

Visst, norrl{nningar har oftast {ven s|rl{ndska anor. Men majoriteten
av deras f|rf{der brukar vara fr}n Norrland och det {r kanske det
som r{knas av dem?
From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: swnet.svenska
Subject: Re: Svenska spr}ket, att sl} vakt om, men hur?
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:55:10 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Distribution: swnet
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

Ang. journalister och deras uttryck.
Har ni lagt m{rke till att s} fort en journalist ska skriva ett fackuttryck
(andra {n journalistiska) eller n}got annat han inte till fullo beh{rskar, 
blir det 'Den s} kallade...'?
Ex: "..Genom att skruva p} den s} kallade frekvensmodulatorn kan man
{ndra frekvens...", "..en vanligt felk{lla {r den s} kallade karburatorn.."
(Det {r ingen slump att exemlpen har en teknisk anknytning)

T{nk om de skulle g|ra p} samma s{tt om vardagliga saker:
"Han }kte i en s} kallad bil..."
"Hon tappade den s} kallade gaffeln..."

______________________________________________________________________________
Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow
Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
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Newsgroups: swnet.svenska
From: krej@electrum.kth.se (Kristian Ejvind)
Subject: "Jaa, en ny grupp!" eller "va' bidde de' d} d}?"
Organization: The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: swnet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:05:18 GMT

  N{r swnet.svenska skapades f|r ett tag sen tyckte jag att "Jaa, en ny
grupp!" och dessutom en som kan bli en riktigt intressant grupp att l{sa
med diskussioner om svenska, b{de svenskan i sig och i f|rh}llande till
andra spr}k. Jag tycker att det {r lite synd att det har blivit som det
har blivit, n{mligen en grupp d{r en begr{nsad m{ngd folk f|r brinnande
livet sl}ss om olika saker, t.ex. om man ska skriva { i st{llet f|r ae, om
w eller den eviga kampen mellan innev}nare i olika {ndar av v}rt k{ra
fosterland. Med andra ord; Signal-brusf|rh}llandet (ska man skriva det s}
p} svenska, eller?) {r lite v{l l}gt ibland.
  Nu till pudelns k{rna: [r det bara jag som tycker att diskussionerna i
den h{r gruppen {r lite utanf|r vad som staterades vid skapandet?
I s} fall; {r den ursprungliga inriktningen att f|redra eller ska vi
forts{tta i samma fotsp}r som nu?
  Jag misst{nker skarpt att jag inte beh|ver be om kommentarer s} det g|r
jag v{l inte d}.. :-)

/Kristian Ejvind
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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Re: Ortsnamn (var: Re: Vilka spr}k?)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: swnet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:34:16 GMT

f91-jba@alv.nada.kth.se (Joakim Bckstrm) writes:

>Ett skojigt ortsnamn {r Krokom som l{r heta s} f|r att Indals{lven g|r en
>"krok om" samh{llet.

Man kan ju undra varfr Njutnger heter som det heter... :)

-- 
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ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB			Voice: +46 8 727 3893
lvsj, Sweden				Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
     "I Costa Rica tl de inte att min rika rkost rkar kosta mer n rostad rkost"
Newsgroups: swnet.svenska
From: mikael@ausone.met.kth.se (Mikael Lindholm)
Subject: Re: Norrland... (var: Re: Sk}nska och norrl{ndska)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA
Distribution: swnet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:40:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.190157.22805@kth.se>, ulfb@ulfb.nada.kth.se (Ulf Berggren) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec29.191536.11021@kullmar.se> ingvar@kullmar.se (Ingvar B{ckestrand) writes:
|> >Den mest omfattande kolonialiseringen av Norrland skedde under 1800-talet
|> >d} det marknadsf|rdes som det f|rlovade landet och tom som ett alternativ
|> >till Amerika f|r de som ville undkomma de allt mer t{tbefolkade s|dra
|> >delarna av sverige.
|> >
Tveksamt. Kolonialisering - OK. Mest omfattande - NEJ.

|> >Denna statliga kampanj kan kanske ocks} ses som ett s{tt att f} arbetskaft
|> >till den snabbt v{xande virkesn{ringen.
|> >
|> >S} st|rre delen av befolkningen f|re AMS-lassen borde n}gra
|> >generationer tillbaka vara {ttlingar till s|rl{nningar.

Givetvis finns det s|rl{nningar inblandade i n|rl{nningarna, men s{kert lika
mycket tv{rtom.

|> 
|> Visst, norrl{nningar har oftast {ven s|rl{ndska anor. Men majoriteten
|> av deras f|rf{der brukar vara fr}n Norrland och det {r kanske det
|> som r{knas av dem?
|> 

Om man ska se krasst pa saken existerade inte ens s|rl{nningar och norrl{nningar
utan tex p} 500-talet kanske "svear"( kustlandet), "g|tar"( inlandet), samer och
"kv{ner" (kvarlevande matriarkat). Det finns t o m gamla germanska och romerska
skrifter d{r man har namngett {nnu flera folkslag i Scandinavien. 

Kort sagt skulle man kunna sluta diskutera i norr och s|der termer. 
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Newsgroups: swnet.svenska
From: ingvar@kullmar.se (Ingvar B{ckestrand)
Subject: Vilka spr}k? (var: Re: Norrland... (var: Re: Sk}nska och norrl{ndska))
Organization: Firma Bo Kullmar Datakonsult
Distribution: swnet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:57:14 GMT

In <1993Jan5.084039.4803@kth.se> mikael@ausone.met.kth.se (Mikael Lindholm) writes:
...
>Om man ska se krasst pa saken existerade inte ens s|rl{nningar och norrl{nningar
>utan tex p} 500-talet kanske "svear"( kustlandet), "g|tar"( inlandet), samer och
>"kv{ner" (kvarlevande matriarkat). Det finns t o m gamla germanska och romerska
>skrifter d{r man har namngett {nnu flera folkslag i Scandinavien. 

>Kort sagt skulle man kunna sluta diskutera i norr och s|der termer. 

Medh}lles, men vilka spr}k talade m{nniskorna, och famf|r allt:
Varifr}n kommer alla v}ra ortnamn?
Tex Herrljunga, V{xj|, Ystad....

-- 
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	ae	/ Why not Latin Character Set No 1 on the net? /
Newsgroups: swnet.svenska
From: mikael@ausone.met.kth.se (Mikael Lindholm)
Subject: Re: Vilka spr}k? (var: Re: Norrland... )
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA
Distribution: swnet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:41:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.145714.26201@kullmar.se>, ingvar@kullmar.se (Ingvar B{ckestrand) writes:
|> In <1993Jan5.084039.4803@kth.se> mikael@ausone.met.kth.se (Mikael Lindholm) writes:
|> ...  [...utsuddat...]

|> Medh}lles, men vilka spr}k talade m{nniskorna, och famf|r allt:
|> Varifr}n kommer alla v}ra ortnamn?
|> Tex Herrljunga, V{xj|, Ystad....
|> 
Det {r inga l{tta fr}gor...

Spr}k? Kanske man kan kalla det f|r olika germanska dialekter...

ortsnamn? H{r finns det mycket att s{ga...iallm{nhet har samh{llen f}tt namnet
efter naturen runt omkring och f|rvr{ngts under }rens lopp. Det borde kanske ses
som sj{lvklart. Men varf|r heter tex Ullevi Ullevi? VI s{gs betyda offerplats och
det finns s{kert flera teorier om vad ULLE kommer fr}n. Det kan vara ett mkt 
gammalt namn: ULs offerplats. UL {r en urgermansk gud aktuell i Sverige p} brons
och j{rn}ldern...

P} en gammal karta fr}n min hemtrakt st}r g}rdsnamnet "Gnytlistum" p} den plats
d{r samh{llet Gnesta finns idag. {r n}gon bevandrad i latin eller vet var man som
lekman kan tolka "GNYTLISTUM"?

/M
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 Mikael Lindholm			 E-mail: mikael@met.kth.se
 Department of Materials Science
 Division of Physical Metallurgy 
 The Royal Institute of Technology, KTH          Office: +46 8 7909133
 S-100 44 Stockholm                              Fax: +46 8 100411
 
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