From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Clean And Unclean Un / Maccoby Book
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:42:01 GMT
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         -=> Quoting Robert A. Levene <=-
 RAL> From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
 RAL> Message-ID: <9208261639.AA24205@aplpy.jhuapl.edu>
 RAL> ... "religious confusion" is the bread and butter of folks
 RAL> like Harvey Smith who post statements such as "we believe that
 RAL> Biblical Judaism is in fact New Covenant, which is called
 RAL> Christianity" 
     But if there are several Rabbinic writers who agree that Messianic
     1st Century Judaism was not out of harmony with Biblical Torah
     Judaism, why do you have such a problem?!  Only a few such quotes:
Intermountain Jewish News Pages
31-32  Sec.A August 12, 1988..."WE  WONDER  WHETHER  AMERICAN  ORTHODOX
JEWISH  LEADERSHIP,  ONE OF  WHO'S SPOKESMEN  RABBI GREENBERG CLAIMS TO
BE..." "LEADING ORTHODOX RABBI  IN THE  UNITED  STATES" says...[quoting
from the article]...   "A  Jewish leader today, Rabbi Irving Greenberg,
has written (in The Relationship of Judaism  and  Christianity: Towards
a New Organic Model, " a 19 page  essay published in  Quarterly Review,
then distributed by CLAL)):"   "...I  believe the early Christians were
faithful Jews  when they recognized Jesus.   Like good,  faithful Jews,
they were looking for the  Messiah, particulary in a different century.
Lo and behold!  They recognized his arrival.   That  is a very faithful
response of a Jew - to recognize that the Messiah  has arrived,  and to
respond" (p.5; pagination of CLAL reprint)" ...& etc..., in same vein.
   "Jesus is a genuine Jewish personality, all his struggles and works,
his speech and silence,  bear the stamp of a Jewish style,  the mark of
Jewish idealism,  of the best that was and is in Judaism.  He was a Jew
among Jews...."  Rabbi Leo Black/for many years the religious leader of
German Jewry;{Quoted by Shalom Ben-Chorin in"The Image of Jesus{Yeshua}
in Modern Judaism,"  Journal  of  Ecumenical  Studies 11, no. 3 (summer
1974), 408. Used by permission.}
     "It is a peculiar manifestation of  our  exile  psychology that we
permitted, and even aided in, the deletion of New Testament Messianism,
that meaningful offshoot of our spiritual history.   It was in a Jewish
land,  that this spiritual revolution was kindled;  and Jews were those
who  had  spread  it  all  over  the  land....."We  must  overcome  the
superstitious  fear  which  we  harbor  about the Messianic movement of
Jesus{Yeshua}, and we must place the movement where it belongs, namely,
in the spiritual history of Judaism...." Martin Buber/author and former
professor  at  Hebrew  University,  Jerusalem;  {From  "Three  Talks on
Judaism,"translated by Paul Levertoff in "Jewish Opinions About Jesus,"
Der Weg 7 no.1 (January-February, 1933),8.}
   "Neither Christian protest nor Jewish lamentation can annul the fact
that  Jesus  was  a  Jew,  an  Hebrew of the Hebrews.  Surely it is not
wholly  unfit  that Jesus be reclaimed by those who have never unitedly
nor  organizedly  denied  him, though oft denied by his followers; that
Jesus should not be so much appropriated by us as assigned to the place
in  Jewish  life and Jewish history which is rightfully his own.  Jesus
was not only a Jew but he was the Jew,  the Jew of Jews....In  that day
when  history  shall  be written in  the  light of truth, the people of
Israel  will not be known as the Christ-killers, but as Christ-bearers;
not  as  G*d-slayers,  but as the  G*d-bringers  to  the  world." Rabbi
Stephen S. Wise/Zionist  leader  and founder of the Jewish Institute of
Religion;  {Taken from an article written by Stephen S. Wise, "The Life
and Teaching of Jesus the Jew," in The Outlook, June 7, 1913.)
   "Jesus was a Jew and a Jew he remained till his last breath. His one
idea was to implant  within  his  nation  the idea of the coming of the
Messiah and,  by repentance  and good works, hasten the 'end'...'In all
this, Jesus is the most Jewish of Jews...more Jewish that Hillel...From
the  standpoint of  general  humanity,  he is,  indeed, 'a light to the
gentiles'."  Joseph Klausner/Professor  at Hebrew University, Jerusalem
and author;  {Joseph Klausner,  Jesus of Nazareth (New York: Macmillan,
1925), 363, 368, 374, 413.}
... 012 Think not that I am come to annul the Torah or the Prophets: 210  
--  
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