HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nn
Subject: Re: PROBLEM posting to moderated AND unmoderated groups in one command
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:31:49 GMT
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <2B4DD0C3.9137@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:

>As a moderator, I can tell you that when an article includes a
>moderated and unmoderated group in the Newsgroup: line, the article is
>intercepted and sent only to the moderator.  Many moderated groups
>have a policy against crossposting and/or have automated reposting
>software that strips groups other than the moderated group out.  I
>generally try to let the submittor of such an article know what
>happens in this case, but often I don't see that it's crossposted and
>my software strips extra groups out because we have a policy against
>crossposting in any case.

>Sounds like normal behavior to me.  You might contact the particular
>moderator in your question about the policy on crossposting s/he has.

I think I need to clarify here.  Such an article *can* be crossposted,
if the moderator leaves the Newsgroup: line intact.  The point is
that often the moderator will strip it, or have software that does.

--Cindy
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From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura)
Subject: Re: C News: active file question
Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:10:40 GMT

In <C0oqC1.ErL@liverpool.ac.uk> qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) writes:

>I have the 3rd field of my active file set to 0000000001 when a group is
>created. Should this be 00001 or does it matter?

Having it set to 0000000001 is fine.

> I ask because C News
>(perf release) does not appear to be updating this field.
>SunOS 4.1.2

C News hasn't been updating that field for a long time. You can
accomplish that with $NEWSBIN/expire/upact or with the updatemin
program (which resides on my system in $NEWSBIN/maint).
-- 
				Christoph Badura  ---  bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org

Personally, I don't care whether someone is cool enough to quote Doug
Gwyn--I only care whether Doug Gwyn is cool enough to quote. -- Larry Wall
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:55:38 GMT

gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes:

>In article <C0nrwC.LKI@news2.cis.umn.edu> molenda@msi-i9.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:
>  [ about restricting access to specific newsgroups ]
>|Dave, I think you missed his point.  Why not have everything in spool/news
>|owned by 'news' and then have different groups (i.e. in /etc/group) for
>|each newsgroup or hierarchy that you want to control?  like a altsex
>|group, for instance.  The directory permissions on spool/news/alt/sex
>|would be rwxr-x---, owner `news', group `altsex'.  Then put the users
>|who you want to have access to the group in /etc/group and be done with
>|it.

>This might work on a small site, but with more than a couple of dozen
>users, it'd become unwieldy *real* fast. Also, current news software
>wants both owner *and* group set to "news", so it would involve considerable
>work there, not to mention the rewrite of the newsreaders.

Right.

>From an admin point of view, I think most of us a) don't have time, and 
>b) don't want to bog down /etc/groups with 3,000 new (and large) entries.

Right again. However, if there was only one hierarchy of newsgroups,
it might be a good solution.

Dave

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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Feeding internal sites
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:10:21 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <C0CFB4.65E@geovision.gvc.com> pt@compass.gvc.com writes:
>I'm a Cnews (performance release) site, not on the internet and I haven't
>got nntp set up.
>
>I've got an internal site here (electra), which is on a different subnet, but
>they want a newsfeed.  I cannot do an rsh to them, or use NFS.
>
>What is the best way to get news to them?  Currently, I'm feeding them using
>[viamail and recenews]...
>
>Is there a better way of doing this?

Not an obvious one.  You've got to ship them the stuff *somehow*.  The
usual way of doing it over TCP/IP is with NNTP, with a minority using
UUCP over TCP.  If you're not willing to put either of those up, the
obvious transmission channel is mail.  It's a bit inelegant, but it works.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: C News: active file question
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:26:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I have the 3rd field of my active file set to 0000000001 when a group is
created. Should this be 00001 or does it matter? I ask because C News
(perf release) does not appear to be updating this field.
SunOS 4.1.2

Thanks.
-- 
Alan Thew
alan.thew@liverpool.ac.uk   ...!uknet!liv!alan.thew   +44 51 794 3735
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM posting to moderated AND unmoderated groups in one command
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nn
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:50:18 GMT

In <1993Jan11.231902.10422@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) writes:

>>  it is not sufficient for the moderator to do the
>>  crossposting because it is possible that the moderator does not have
>>  access to newsgroups that the poster does,

>Doesn't matter. As long as they're mentioned in the "Newgroups:" header,
>they'll get there.

Not true, not at my site.  If I have a group that nn here doesn't know
about, it barfs and puts the message in a dead.article file.  Can't do
it...

--Cindy

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From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM posting to moderated AND unmoderated groups in one command
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nn
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:06:43 GMT

In <1993Jan8.115210.25522@cv.ruu.nl> bartm@cv.ruu.nl (Bart Muyzer) writes:

>Hello,

>A quick question: If I post an article using
>	nnpost mod unmod

>where "mod" is an moderated newsgroup and "unmod" is (surprise) an unmoderated
>newsgroup, the message only shows up in the moderated newsgroup (it's mailed
>to the moderator). I see NO entries in either /usr/local/lib/news/log or in
>the file in the /usr/spool/news/out.going-directory??

>Using "nnpost unmod mod" doesn't make any difference.

>Is this normal behaviour? If yes, why?
>If not, what am I doing wrong??

As a moderator, I can tell you that when an article includes a
moderated and unmoderated group in the Newsgroup: line, the article is
intercepted and sent only to the moderator.  Many moderated groups
have a policy against crossposting and/or have automated reposting
software that strips groups other than the moderated group out.  I
generally try to let the submittor of such an article know what
happens in this case, but often I don't see that it's crossposted and
my software strips extra groups out because we have a policy against
crossposting in any case.

Sounds like normal behavior to me.  You might contact the particular
moderator in your question about the policy on crossposting s/he has.

--Cindy

--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu       | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet
UUCP:     ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski)
Subject: Re: Sudden slowdown of Cnews processing
Organization: Lost in NYC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:17:08 GMT

In article <C0Cwpx.D0p@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>Looks like you're using the old version of the dbz package, which had
>extremely bad behavior when its hash table overflowed... as you've just
>discovered.  You could enlarge the table some (by recompiling) and
>cross your fingers, but a much better approach would be to upgrade
>to a modern version; the modern dbz handles the situation far more
>gracefully.

Thanks for the response, Henry.  I'm relieved that it's at least a
known problem.  When you say I should upgrade to a modern version, are
you referring to C news, or dbz?  If dbz alone, then where can I
obtain it.  Is it still bundled with C news?

	- Steve -
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: INN config.data files for common systems to be included w/distribution?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:47:55 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1993Jan8.064622.22598@nwnexus.WA.COM> markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:
>This would get us back to the Good Old Days before the horrors of C News
>installation:
>
>	cp config.mysys config.data
>	make world install
>
>And happy InterNetNewsing forever after.

Ah yes, just like in all the fairy tales.

You've forgotten all those fun aspects of the Bad Old Days like:
"Help, please send me a config that *works* under SlugOS 4.1.3.7.5!
The one supplied appears to be for 4.1.3.7.2 -- I can't tell for
sure, it's not labelled -- and when I tried it on my 4.1.3.7.5, it
deleted all the configuration files, mailed a 5MB core dump to my
boss, and mangled my /usr filesystem."

The horrors of C News installation arose for a reason.  We've
consistently balked at suggestions that we maintain a repository
of pre-cooked configurations for popular machines, because we
have no way to *test* them when operating systems change (or to
update them when our software changes, for that matter).  And a
handy pre-cooked configuration that's *wrong* is worse than
none at all.
-- 
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       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: In-coming mail to news question
Keywords: mail news
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:03:05 GMT

>Is there any way to cause in-coming e-mail to be posted as news articles?   

I'm using a package called "newsgate" that seems to work well.  You can find
it on a variety of machines, eg., ftp.uu.net in
usenet/comp.sources.unix/volume24.  Al-Bob says check it out.
-- 

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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins)
Subject: Got an INN config.data file for SVR4 386 (Intel/ISC)?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:14:38 GMT

Thanks in advance for sharing. :-)
-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura)
Subject: Re: c-news with taylor uucp
Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:11:30 GMT

In <1993Jan10.213610.34219@r-node.pci.on.ca> marc@r-node.pci.on.ca (Marc G Fournier) writes:
>	I think all I need to change is where it checks how many
>batches are already created...that is in sendbatches?

It's not sendbatches but $NEWSBIN/queuelen.

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				Christoph Badura  ---  bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org

Personally, I don't care whether someone is cool enough to quote Doug
Gwyn--I only care whether Doug Gwyn is cool enough to quote. -- Larry Wall
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Sudden slowdown of Cnews processing
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:13:07 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1993Jan4.211910.14359@bony1.bony.com> stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski) writes:
>	-rw-rw-r--  1 news      6096380 Dec 29 17:12 /var/news/history
>	-rw-rw-r--  1 news            0 Dec 28 20:00 /var/news/history.dir
>	-rw-rw-r--  1 news       399964 Dec 29 17:14 /var/news/history.pag
>
>And now they're:
>	-rw-rw-r--  1 news      3836657 Jan  4 16:09 /var/news/history
>	-rw-rw-r--  1 news            0 Jan  3 20:00 /var/news/history.dir
>	-rw-rw-r--  1 news       399964 Jan  4 16:09 /var/news/history.pag
>
>Why has this happened?  Is this a known problem?  Was it fixed in a
>later version of Cnews?  Should I bother updating to the latest?

Looks like you're using the old version of the dbz package, which had
extremely bad behavior when its hash table overflowed... as you've just
discovered.  You could enlarge the table some (by recompiling) and
cross your fingers, but a much better approach would be to upgrade
to a modern version; the modern dbz handles the situation far more
gracefully.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:53:41 GMT

brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

>Note that it is not sufficient to change permissions this way if your
>nntp server runs as "news."   NNTP clients will be able to read all
>the restricted groups.
>
>This is true no matter what scheme you use.  Thus the solution is that
>the nntp server should not run as news, but some dummy user you create
>such as "nntp."

Right. 

>That's a good idea anyway, since it's a potential security hole to have
>it run as news.
>The downside of course is that you then can restrict reading to nntp users,
>they must all be locked out of restricted groups, unless the nntp protocol
>is changed.

So far the conclusion I've come to is that the newsreader(s) will
have to pass the uid to the nntp server, and the server will have to
check some file like /etc/group.news to make sure the uid is
permitted access to the newsgroup being accessed. I'm not sure how
much work that will be, but probably more than I'd bargained for.

Can anybody think of an easier way?

Dave

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Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nn
Subject: Controlling access to newsgroups
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:16:14 GMT
Followup-To: news.software.b

I'm would like to control access to some of the newsgroups according
to a file of uids in /etc/xxxxx

As far as I know, this isn't possible with Bnews, readnews, rn, nn.
Is that right? Or did I miss something? 

How about Cnews can it handle this? 

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me,

Dave

--
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Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: INN config.data files for common systems to be included w/distribution?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:29:32 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

>	cp config.mysys config.data
>	make world install
Nice idea, but it unfortunately doesn't address the simple issues:
	"I want to use gcc -O2, not cc -g"
	"I use usenet as the news admin, not news"
	"I use /news/lib and /news/spool not /usr/lib/news /usr/spool/news"
To say nothing of the hard issues that Henry has mentioned.

There is no silver bullet.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: PROBLEM posting to moderated AND unmoderated groups in one command
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:11:25 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <9301111543.AA09132@sap-ag.de> Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> writes:
>> The only way an article can be posted *once* to *both* a moderated group
>> *and* an unmoderated group is via the moderated group's moderator.
>
>  is it your belief that a user should know whether a group is
>  moderated or not?  i don't think a user should.  therefore, the
>  software should post the article immediately to those newsgroups
>  that are not moderated and forward it to the moderators of the
>  moderated groups...

If the user wants the article posted once, ONCE, 00001 times, the current
technique is the only way to do it.  Duplicate postings are a bad idea.

The only thing the user needs to know is that if one or more of the
groups should happen to be moderated, there will be a delay before he
sees his posting appear.  This does not seem difficult to grasp.

> it is not sufficient for the moderator to do the
>  crossposting because it is possible that the moderator does not have
>  access to newsgroups that the poster does, or the moderator might
>  digestify the postings.

If the poster is following up to existing traffic, that is a non-issue.
If he's posting from scratch, is it too much to ask that he be familiar
with the newsgroups he's posting to?
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:39:55 GMT

I can't think of anything except a kerebized nntp/newsreader pair
that's gonna do the job reading across NNTP.
-- 
	"You can't get here from here."
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: jstine@logiconultra.com (Jim Stine)
Subject: In-coming mail to news question
Keywords: mail news
Organization: Logicon_Ultrasystems
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:51:57 GMT

Is there any way to cause in-coming e-mail to be posted as news articles?   
I would like to post any e-mail coming to a particular address to a a  
particular news-group.  Optimally, I would like to have the e-mail subject  
transferred to the news article subject as well.

Is this possible?

Is there a script or program or something that somebody has written that  
will do it for me?

Thanks for any and all help - I will post the results.

Please e-mail any help to:

Jim Stine

jstine@logiconultra.com

no disclaimers...
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Sudden slowdown of Cnews processing
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:23:05 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1993Jan6.181708.10404@bony1.bony.com> stevef@bony1.bony.com (Steve Faiwiszewski) writes:
>... When you say I should upgrade to a modern version, are
>you referring to C news, or dbz?  If dbz alone, then where can I
>obtain it.  Is it still bundled with C news?

I was thinking of C News, although just the dbz upgrade ought to suffice.
I don't *think* there are any dependencies that would foul this up.  Mind
you, if you're recompiling everything anyway...

I don't know, offhand, of any source for the modern dbz except C News.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Posting of UseNet articles.
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:25:10 GMT


Hi, I'm writing a Usenet newsreader for a BBS Package, and I already have the
system take the article (header+body) and have it batched into an rnews spool.
This is just normally done by a Usenet message and the #! rnews <bytes>
delimeter. I know I can unbatch it and post it using inews -p, but it doesn't
seem to post to the net.  It just posts to my local Unix site.  What I want
is something that will unbatch and POST worldwide.  inews -p only posts
locally, or so it seems.

Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: C News: active file question
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:06:32 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <C0oqC1.ErL@liverpool.ac.uk> qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) writes:
>I have the 3rd field of my active file set to 0000000001 when a group is
>created. Should this be 00001 or does it matter? I ask because C News
>(perf release) does not appear to be updating this field.

The upact or updatemin program will do the update, but you have to arrange
to run it -- it's not something that gets done automatically.  We run
updatemin once a week.

The number of leading zeros in the third field doesn't matter, since it
(unlike the second field) is not updated in place.  Upact/updatemin will
widen it if need be.
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: innxmit times out talking to Cnews site
Date: 6 Jan 1993 03:52:46 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Laboratory for Elementary Particle Science

I am running INN 1.2 on a DECstation 5000/240 running Ultrix 4.3.  Lately,
I've been seeing errors like this in nntpsend.log:

No reply after sending "rec/radio/amateur/misc/30836", Connection timed out
Rewriting batch file and exiting.

This only happens when talking to one particular site.  The site in question
is running C-news (I don't know what version).  I get the error on the same
file a couple of times, and then it goes through successfully.  Then after
a while it will hang on a different file.  The other side gets an error that
says "EOF received before final period".

I realize that this information isn't really enough to diagnose the problem.
I was just wondering if anyone has seen a problem like this before, or has
any idea whether it's a problem with my end or his end.

--Ken
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: molenda@msi-i9.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: Controlling access to newsgroups
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:02:35 GMT

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

>>Bear in mind that the news articles are stored in ordinary files that
>>are normally readable to anyone.  People can read news using "cat" if
>>they must.  You're going to have to change the permissions on the files
>>(or, more practically, the directories they're in).  C News, and I'm

>I want to deny all access to the ~/spool/news and only have the news
>software be able to read/write the directories and files.

Dave, I think you missed his point.  Why not have everything in spool/news
owned by 'news' and then have different groups (i.e. in /etc/group) for
each newsgroup or hierarchy that you want to control?  like a altsex
group, for instance.  The directory permissions on spool/news/alt/sex
would be rwxr-x---, owner `news', group `altsex'.  Then put the users
who you want to have access to the group in /etc/group and be done with
it.
-- 
$@%8%'%$%=%s!&%b%l%s$@(J     Jason Molenda     molenda@msi.umn.edu
$@%_%M%=%?Bg3X%9!<%Q!<%3%s%T%e!<%?8&5f=j(J  Sun/SGI $@%7%9%F%`4IM}<T(J