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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:50:49 GMT
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> From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
> Subject: Re: Road Racer
> 
> probable want to try and widen the power band at the expense of peak
> hp. 

	Yea, I kind of knew what I was getting myself into power wise when
	I was researching the porting geometry I would give it. I wanted
	heaps of top end...but I hadn't counted on such a violent hit when
	it came on....my god, who would ever imagine a 500 that explodes
	like this in the mid range...I'll see how it goes on the track and
	at least I can change the pipe and muffler (this pipe is a bit
	radical...)...
> 
> about the CR's, but my KDX is twitchy as all hell at speed, and I sure

	Hey, how old is your KDX? It might just need some spacers in the
	forks to give it a bit more preload. They are usually quite
	stable...The CR on the other hand is sort of ok stock..Not as bad
	as the current 250's with steep and quick steering...(see other
	posting)

> bump at speed.  You'll also want to buy about 17 steering dampers and
> mount them all :-)

	...and about 6 beers before I dare throw a leg over it.... ;-)

	Cheers.
	George Couyant
From: freddie@roost.Columbia.NCR.COM (Freddie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: New Bikes
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:43:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Originator: freddie@roost

Does anybody out there have any access to the inner circle of
those people who decide what models get updated? I mean like,
the KX500. This is the 4th year that the 500 has basically
the same frame and motor. Don't get me wrong, the bike is 
a damn good bike, but sometimes I need a little more justifi-
cation than, oh, it's airbox is bigger or the graphics are
different to buy a new bike. I ridden KX500's since '89
and always have had good luck with them. Wonderfull bikes,
but I want either a new frame or something to change to make
me buy a new KX500.  I have rode a 92 Honda CR500 and I was
impressed, but the local dealer likes dirt about as much as
I like to be stung by a yellow jacket. So I just don't know
what to do. Besides, 4000 big ones is lot to pay for a different
airbox, timing, and jetting and a different valving in the forks.



-- 
Freddie A. Smith                                NCR Corp.  E&M Columbia, SC
Voice: 803-791-6888                             3000 Unit Development 
CSnet: freddie.smith@roost.Columbia.NCR.COM     Enduro Riders Do It
..!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!sauron!roost!freddie       In The Woods!
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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:47:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.055933.18809@convex.com> couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.000339.8352@spdc.ti.com> baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter) writes:
>	Yea, I toyed with the idea, but it just seemed too hard at the time
>	for this "let's test the water" project. The front wheel is a 3 spoke
>	mag I borrowed from a mate. I turned down some spacers to make it all
>	fit.
>
>	The fins on the caliper sounds good. Too late to try it now though.
>	Wouldn't the heat warp the caliper piston bore?

	I don't know if the heat would damage anything or not.  As for your
	suspension, depending on how well you fair this weekend you could get
	from a wasted 250cc sportbike.  I'm sure that you have not put way to
	much money in the bike in case this venture do not pan out.  But if 
	does, and I hope it does, you could actually spend tons of time and 
	money making the CR500RR better.  

>
>	About the street legal CR500?....well, my KX250, KX500 and TT600 are
>	street legal  8-)  ......not that I'd jump on one to get milk and
>	bread from the corner store....It makes it easy riding wherever I
>	want though...

	Must be nice!  

>
>	Thanks Mike and spare a thought for me as you sit down to your 
>	evening meal on Saturday. I'll be out there on the other side of 
>	the world shitting my pants and hopefuly, not crashing..
>
>	Cheers
>	George C.


	How can I not think of how much fun you will be having, while I'm 
	sweating in Texas heat, fixing flats, greasing bearings/linkages,
	drinking beer and praying that the compression adjuster to one of
	my forks can be un-frozen.     


_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
_______________________________________|_____________________________________

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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:03:39 GMT

George,
	Do you have any plans on putting on a front wheel with dual 
disk.  (BTW, what kind of wheels do you have on it now?)  If not, you 
can weld some fins onto the caliper to help disipate some heat.  What I 
wouldn't give to be able to have a street legal CR500.  

					May your headshake be minimal,
_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
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From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:51:24 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

> 
> 	Well, this is where we have a lot of contention...I reckon that
> 	something that weighs 100kg with 60+hp has got to be competitive
> 	as long as it can brake and go around a corner. I've chosen a

        They said something similar about the F104. "You can make anything
        fly if you put a big enough engine in it."

> 	track that will suit this bike. It's tight with short straights.
> 
> 	Let me tell you that there are a few beers being wagered on how
> 	quick this thing will be. Only problem is that it'll be me riding
> 	it. Nobody I know that's competent on the road is game to throw a
> 	leg over it.
>> 

        Something about what you are discussing here sounds awful 
	recallectable.  I know I've heard of a club around Dallas
	that has a thing with dirtbikes on a road track, but I can't
	remember what the track location was.

	I also think maybe Devil's Bowl Speedway has or used to have
 	a "Knobby Night" on the oval.

	I'm sure you'll live thru this.  Good luck anyway.
_____________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton (RM)             |  "Friends don't let friends ride S****i."
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |  "Life is short, ride hard."
                               |  "Born and Bred to Rip and Shred."

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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: It was a long week today.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:22:58 GMT
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> From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
> Subject: It was a long week today.
> 
>   What I've been writing in my .sig really is true.  "We don't stop riding
>   because we get old, we get old because we stop riding."  One of the guys
>   on this ride was 68 years young.  Riding an XR200, he wasn't the fastest

	What, you mean there's still hope?

>   Revelation #2:  chainsaws are *very* handy riding tools.  We cleared a 

	You guys are crazy! I love it! Wait 'til I tell my brother...He
	hates logs.

>   Revelation  #3:  establish  trail rules for a group  ride.  Rule #1, #2,

	The only rule we have is that the first rider to reach an
	intersection is to wait and wave everyone through. Only after
	everyone is through does he take off again. He can then ride as
	hard or as easily as he wants to.

	This way, everyone keeps more together and the fast guys end up
	racing through the pack but never geting too far ahead because
	they end up in the lead again.

	It works great!

	Oh yea, if someone breaks the rule, we hold him down and piss on 
	his boots....Nobody breaks rules...
> 
>   Don't ride  anywhere near a mud puddle with old farts from Oregon.  They
>   don't fight fair :-/

	Puddle dumped ya did he?
> 
>   integral part of the left engine sidecover.  Anyone got a hot tip on how
>   easy it is to find someone able to weld magnesium?  I broke mine 5 miles

	I've always taken mag. alloy bits to a reputable engineering shop.
	Never had the guts to try to weld it because these parts are
	usually sooo expensive..

	Lotsa luck
	George C.

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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: wife now knows why!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:09:27 GMT
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> From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
> Subject: wife now knows why!
> 
	You've made a good move in one respect but a bad one in another...

	My wife started riding dirt bikes about 8 years ago and gave up 4
	years ago after our second child.

	Now it's fun having her along on when trail riding and you get to
	go out more often because she's involved and not left at home
	twiddling her thumbs. But....ya can't go fast because she's left
	behind and you always have to help her get up (or down) that nasty 
	hill, or help her start it because she's exhausted. Worst of all
	is the way she can say "I've had enough. I want to go home" just
	as you're begining to enjoy the ride.

	Then again, it's great sharing the wonderful experiences of riding
	dirt bikes with her.

	Just for the record, my wife became quite competitive and at times
	was quicker than some of the guys we rode with. She raced a few
	events and really values the finisher's medals and trophies she
	won. We have some great photos of lovely places we rode through
	and look back fondly on them. Now that our kids are a little
	older, she's toying with the idea of getting back into it properly.
	She was looking longingly at a TT350 at the bike shop recently...

	Our kids are getting into dirt bikes and our 3 year old son is a
	real demon on his PW50. This little guy's got no fear and thinks
	nothing of jumping his PeeWee over jumps as big as him. I'm just
	busting for him to get a bit bigger so that we can go off trail 
	riding together.

	The bikes always come with us when we go camping and I'll usually
	take one of the CR's or KX's for my wife to ride if she feels
	inclined (she hates riding the 2 strokes though). You wouldn't believe
	the looks we get on the highway or when stopped at a fuel station
	with a TT600 for me on one side of the trailer, KX500 for wife on
	the other and the PW50 in the middle.....

	Look out Australia when the whole Couyant clan hits the tracks....

	Cheers
	George Couyant

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From: garyb@pdx015 (Gary Brown)
Subject: Re: Honda Win's (again)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.150919.6461@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
>
>Anybody know how he did in France at the roadraces?
 
 I was only half listening but I think I heard them say on MotoWorld last 
 thursday that JMB was 24th (?) or so and was dead last or close to it.

 Sounds like he could use some pointers from George!  Great going!

 I was ticked off at the show because they promised Observed Trials 
 highlights for 2 weeks in a row and then never showed them.  :-(

 Speaking of Honda winning again, I keep hearing rumours now of Damon 
 Bradshaw considering Honda for next year.  I wasn't so hot on him but
 I'd like to see anyone but Honda win #1 for a change in the 250s.  Yamaha
 was close this year and I think it would be a bite to have Damon join
 Honda next year and then win the whole thing for them.

 Gary Brown
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From: pjgarcia@zeus.calpoly.edu (Paul J Garcia)
Subject: Re: Bike Suggestions?
Keywords: unemployment, free time
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:56:07 GMT

In article <0eRW6Iq00WB9Ehi_Z7@andrew.cmu.edu> Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Howdy,
>
>couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>> > From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
>
>> > I am going to be out of school ( and thus no longer POOR!!! :) )
>> > in the next...
>> 
>>         What, you mean there are still jobs waiting for those straight out
>>         of school?.....actually, that isn't funny...
>
>Nope, that isn't funny :-(  My advice to David is to wait until you
>have your first paycheck, before you even *start thinking* about the
>new dirt bike/racing/whatever.  Trust me on this one...
>
>Mark (who now has this neat KDX, with plenty of time to ride, and no
>money for gas.  F**king life smacks me again).

I have the same situation, no job=$0.00=old bike.  I guess I'll just have
to continue to ride my old '83 CR480 and '81 XL 500, assuming I can find
someone to ride/share expenses with.  I just have to be careful not to
break anything expensive.  Still, I can't wait to get my new bike when
I get a job.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Paul J. Garcia                             Internet: pjgarcia@iris.calpoly.edu
AMA#306423
 
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From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:45:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: RUBICON TRAIL (4 wheels ? )
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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In rec.motorcycles.dirt, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:

> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
> 
> >While I was flopping around on the ground, one of the old biddies in the
> >back seat of   the jeep whipped out her Instamatic, leaned out the back,
> >and started taking pictures of me.  Excuse me, but I'm sometimes bitter.
> 
> Of course, one would never dream of roosting said rolling roadblocks in
> a gravel streambed, or soaking them in a water crossing, would one?

Nah, we only do that to "friends". :-)  You might win in the short term,
but long term would certainly be a loss.  I'm as polite as possible.  I
thank and wave to the ones that let me by.  To the ones that are complete
jerkwads, I'm indifferent at the most.  Roost by when safe and keep on
going.  

Of course, there was the time a friend of mine with a CR250 roosted a
grapefruit sized rock across the hood of a new Bronco on Scofield pass...

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:40:56 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Road Racer
	<1992Jul22.041419.6381@convex.com>

Howdy,

couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
> I'm still worried about the steering geometry because it's still a bit
> quick and nervous. It's had a couple of "jaunts" around some nice twisty
> country roads near my place and it's quite frightening. It hits quite hard
> and will break loose around a bend (that's if I can keep the front down)
> and is by far the strongest motor I've ever felt in a bike.

First off, if the power hits so that you have trouble with the rear
sliding out (ie, it's really hard to have it NOT slide out) then you
probable want to try and widen the power band at the expense of peak
hp.  It sounds like you have one hell of a better idea of how to do
this than I do.

Secondly, with regard to the steering geometry, you might try dropping
the fork tubes in the triple clamps to make it steer slower.  I dunno
about the CR's, but my KDX is twitchy as all hell at speed, and I sure
as heck wouldn't want to be leaned way over exiting a corner and hit a
bump at speed.  You'll also want to buy about 17 steering dampers and
mount them all :-)

Other than that, it sounds like you've got a hell of a bike.  Keep us
posted about how you do.

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: Needed '85 KX500 manuals
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:02:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Jul28.170234.14232
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: oconnor@coffee.eng.umd.edu


    yysiggy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOSEPH SIGMON) writes:

>I'm new to the net

Welcome aboard!  Another rooster out there; naver can have enuf.

>I'm in desperate need of manuals for my '85 KX500.

Manuals for all but the late models can be tricky.
I had a dirt shop order a CLYMER'S manual for my
early model ('81 and '84) CR's.  It ain't a factory
book, but it provides much (if not all) info you
may be looking for.  Ask your local dirt shop to 
put your order in.  The bonus is: it's about .30
cents on the factory manual dollar.

*Mark OConnor      Aerospace Engineering      University of Maryland*
*'90 CR250R        AMA District 7 Vet #90     MB Racing Group       *
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:47:12 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
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> From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
> Subject: Re: Road Racer
> 
> couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
> >> From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
> 
> You've picked the right kind of track. At last year's Steamboat,
> Colorado races, one of the races was an odd mixed class. Memorable
> entries included two liter-sized BMW twins, a mid/early '80s CB900F, a
> Rotax single in a flyweight racing frame, a YZ490 engine in a similar
> frame, and an antique AJS single.
> 
	This sounds similar to the race I've entered. We call it run "what
	you brung" and I'll be mixing it with all the other novices...

	I'm not sure though if you guys have many tracks like this in the
	US. It's like a small version of the 500cc GP tracks.

	Oh boy Oh boy Oh boy...
	George Couyant.

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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: Four strokesd in Moto Cross
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 03:57:07 GMT

In article <10950@cis.rand.org> Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson) writes:
>
>   P.S.   As long as I keep beating all the snotty nosed punks out there
>I'll always feel 18 
>
>
>        Fair Dinkum mate   Ken Ferguson CAMPIONE RACING


Being only 22 years of age I feel good about beating both the snotty nosed
punks and the seasoned vets. ;-)  Then again, I respect them when they beat
me.    

_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
_______________________________________|_____________________________________

From: mcclend@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mike McClendon)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:25:53 GMT
Subject: Re: It was a long week today.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
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XR600 clutch bracket:  Easy to find a shop for magnesium welding, since
just about any shop that TIG welds aluminum can do magnesium.  I brought
mine to a shop that mostly fixes aluminum fishing boats, and they charged
me their minimum shop fee of $15 for the job.  I had them weld on a thick,
solid chunk of metal, which I drilled out for the cable -- just drilled a
hole, but didn't file thru trying to match the original design so I have to
thread the cable thru the hole rather than slipping it in from the side.

The repair is *much* stronger than the original, but I'm a little concerned
about what might break now if the cable hangs really hard again.  Next time,
I might just make a simple bracket that is held by a bolt on the cover, but
isn't part of the cover.

-- Mike

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From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:55:29 GMT

    Holy shit, now he's road racing dirt bikes!  Is there anything you
    don't do George... skydiving, basketweaving, work for a living  :-) ??

    Mixing it up with G00F2s and the like?  What kind of track are we
    talking about?  Seems like you could be competitive, but wouldn't
    the streeters have a healthy advantage?

    Seems like a full set of leathers would be advised...

    jed
From: france@lsil.com (France account)
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Subject: Re: Honda Win's (again)
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:43:52 GMT
Reply-To: france@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Ken Ferguson writes :
" Little did Bayle suspect that Stanton would come back the next year
 and show the Euros Just who the best in the world really is. 
 This obviously came as a shock to Jean. "
      ^^^^^^^^^

I didn't see the LA race but what is "obviously" is that the best this year 
was Bradshaw not Stanton, and Stanton should at least thanks his team mate to 
finish in front of Bradshaw in this last race ...

Francois Ducaroir
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:29:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Honda Win's (again)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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>  Bayle thought he would come to the U.S. kick our butts and go home to
> France a national hero. This however did not happen. When he first
> arrived he had the likes of Rick Johnson, Ron Lechien, Johnnie O'Mara
> Jeff Ward and Guy Cooper to contend with.

Regardless of what happened and how you feel about it, the record book
still shows that Bayle won last year Supercross title.
Bayle was a national hero in France long before coming to the state
and kicking butts.

bruno.

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