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From: hsk@microplex.com (Harjeet Kalsi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Flintstone Movie ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:14:59 GMT
Organization: Microplex Systems Ltd.



>The last I had heard about a Flintstones project was an "animated" special, the
>title of which suggests it'll be Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm's wedding, and which
>would run on TV this season (mentioned in the TV Guide Fall Preview).

I believe this airs on ABC February 7.
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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney and CAPPS
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:43:20 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

I have a friend who is an animator on The Simpsons down in L.A. He actually
saw some of the artwork for The Thief and the Cobbler before the project
was apparently canned. All he could say was it was the most incredible
thing he ever saw. He also said it even put Aladdin/Beauty and the Beast
to shame. But then again, if I got to work on a project for 20 years, I
would expect nothing less.
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From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Subject: Re: Disney and CAPPS
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:27:59 GMT

My understanding of the CAPPS system and its antecedents is that they
were used for television production for several years before they were
used in movies.  Animation credits have never been very good,
esepcially since I believe Disney and others still credit an "ink and
paint" department, even though the actual ink and paint has been
abstracted away.  I can't imagine that cels have much of a role in tv
commercial animation, given the intended use and the plethora of
bright, day-glo colors.  

- Dan
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: BTAS: The Mechanic
Keywords: BTAS
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:15:46 GMT

Well, so-so, but it sure is nice to see a new episode every once in a while.
I give them credit for picking up some of the more interesting concepts from
the 50+ years of Batman comics, such as the fellow who fixes the Batmobile.
I'm not sure they did the best job with it, but it was OK.  (I thought it
cute that the "initial" Batmobile that Cooper sees Batman driving is from
the 30's comics.)  

Two neat items: I liked the license plate the Penguin encounters at the end
(subtitled, "The Dark Deco State" -- I'll say!); and while Paul Winfield's
voice was readily recognizable, I didn't recognize John Delancie (Q on
ST:TNG) as Falconie (or was it Eagleton? I forget.)

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                               he needs to retrieve his Frisbee."
                             July 28th
                              "In the War on Drugs, the hideout of Pablo
                               Escobar is located and surrounded by 2,000
                               Colombian troops, but the wily cocaine lord
                               manages to make his escape after shouting,
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From: jwidor@melpar (Jeff Widor)
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal: The Movie
Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:30:32 GMT

Thanks to all who responded regarding Heavy Metal.  Looks like I'm out of 
luck until the next time it is shown on HBO.

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From: goodridg@husc8.harvard.edu (Andrew Goodridge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:16:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan21.071640.19603
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1jjv25INNlr@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
>In article <C14xIs.C17@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier) writes:
>>
>>That was 'Off His Rocker' and was done completely on computers
>>I guess this proves Disney will REALLY explore Comp. Animation as a
>>serious medium....maybe. =-)
>
>A newspaper article on Aladdin (either NY or LA Times) said that
>Disney is having John Lasseter, a Pixar employee, push the
>boundaries of computer animation.  That's a paraphrase--the article
>said this--I'm just typing it here!
>
>

Oh, yeah. Mr. Lasseter is writing, directing and overseeing the first
full length computer animated movie, which will come out in a year or
two. Hey, >I'M< waiting....

They signed a deal together some time ago.
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From: parsytec@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian Upper - Invoice)
Subject: The Man Who Planted Trees
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:57:32 GMT

A few years ago, I saw the short "The Man Who Planted Trees" in one of the
annual animation compilations (Int'l Tounee, Animation Celebration, etc.).
Since then, I searched in vain for a copy of it on video.  The person I
spoke to at The Whole Toon Catalog hadn't even heard of it.

HELP!

Does anybody have a definitive answer to where I can obtain this short?
Has it been (or will it be) released?  Any information would be appreciated.
Please email your response, since I rarely get to follow this group.

Many Thanks!

Brian Upper
parsytec@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu
From: v131p9t3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ninstar Cybermage: Black Phoenix Rising)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Joker, Harley Quinn, and Poison Ivy (was Re: BTAS: Interpretations...)
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>> Another thing that i may be reading too much into on this episode:  What is 
>> Poison Ivy's sexual orientation?  From the way she was acting...was she  
>annoyed
>> at Harley for worshipping Mr J, or was she jealous?  

I got the impression that Ivy was taking a feminist's irritation stand with
Harley.  The "Everybody's Doormat" thing struck me as being fairly in line.
Harley did NOT exactly seem to be fitting into that type of existence(Her 
relationship with the Joker is very Anti-Feminist) so I thought that Ivy had
"Liberated" Harley and was angry at her backsliding.

You know, for a plant lover, Ivy eats an awful lot of them.  Of course, we
could force Ivy to starve by pointing it out to her, since she doesn't eat meat
either.  But for someone who talks to, pets(caresses) and hugs her rose to
EAT plants...I dunno.

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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:12:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <81526@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV) writes:
>> I will readily admit that he ballroom in Beauty and the Beast was
>> fantasic to look at, but it bothers my sense of reality, if you will,
>> because the sheer realism of the ballroom made the two characters dancing
>> around look excruciatingly like animated cartoons.
[note the double >'s]

Had they only adjusted the brightness contrast between the
characters and the background in the scene where Beast looks up
with a big smile, this effect would probably not have been as
visually jarring.

>I think though, that part of the reason for using the "real life"
>ballroom in that scene was to illustrate the magic of those two
>extremely different characters falling in love.  Notice that at
>the end of the movie when they are dancing in the ballroom that
>the ballroom is not the same as in the "ballroom scene."  For me,
>that level of artistic symbology was moving...

Yep, that's the point, I believe.  Notice how they "glide" into the
ballroom.  While this was probably an accident, it seemed to work.
I didn't take that ballroom as "real" for a second.  Computer
animation, IMHO, doesn't look even close to real.  Is it supposed
to?  It has its own look, and seems to blend well with traditional
characters as long as THEY WATCH THE CONTRAST! :-)  Keep the
lighting under control (which was what Disney did mostly right),
animate on every frame while the background is panning (which they
mostly didn't do), and add blended shadows and highlights to the
characters (might as well go all-out), and the result should be
fabulous, which it was.

Hmmm...to many parentheses (which can often be annoying). :-)



- Robert Cook
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From: jrjohns@eos.ncsu.edu (John R. Johns II)
Subject: Twice Upon A Time (was: Name this cartoon)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:41:51 GMT

Back when this movie was on HBO, I taped it.  Someone mentioned something
about the version currently available on video not being the same as the
one on HBO...

Well, I can believe that, because as I recall, HBO showed *two* different
versions the last time it was on!  I watched it *several* times, and
there was a scene or two different.  It was far too long ago for me to
remember exactly *what* was different, tho'.  It might be an idea, I
suppose, for me to track down the video currently available and compare
it to the version I have on tape...

Maybe I have the version released on tape, maybe I don't.  Only one
way to find out...

- John

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From: rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney,alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Toon gloves, coloring
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:38:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney,alt.fan.furry
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada

In article <1993Jan22.230720.27732@math.ucla.edu>, 
duehara@yosemite.math.ucla.edu (Dana Uehara) writes:
> In several 'toons that star anthropomorphized animals (i.e. furries), I've
> noticed that several of 'em wear white gloves (Bugs Bunny, Goofy, Max,
> PJ -- the latter three being from the "Goof Troop" series, btw).
> 
> Is this mainly to set these characters apart from non-anthropomorphized
> animals?  For example, WRT Disney characters, Mickey and Goofy both wear
> gloves, Pluto doesn't.
> 
They wear gloves as a tribute to the fact that their human creators have
to wear white cotton gloves when inking/painting or otherwise handling the
animation cels. The gloves prevent fingerprints from getting into the
shot.

Robert Corns           rcorns@husky1.stmarys.ca           Dept of Physics
Saint Mary's University           Halifax        Nova Scotia    Canada
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From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:07:17 GMT

johnc@porsche.cs.rpi.edu (John Colasante) writes:

>Everybody is always searching to find the "trick" in this stuff.
>Well, for about $20.00 you can buy a couple of non-photo blue
>pencils and a ream of animation bond paper and you would be set
>up to do exactly what Glen Keane and Mark Henn do every day
>at Disney--and that's animate. These guys don't just draw well,
>but they've mastered the ability to render motion and mass and
>expression with a pencil. The computer's still trying to catch
>up with them, and I think it's got a long way to go...

I certainly agree that nothing beats hard work and a lifetime of experience,
but don't knock computer tools. Some people think they're a panacaea, and
they're wrong, but they can be a very useful alternative to pen and paper.

I think when pen based computing finally hits its stride, and tablet display
technology catches up a bit, animation will become a hell of a lot easier.
Not better - it just means that both good and bad animators will be able 
to produce their work with less time and effort.


						Steve Taylor
						steve@fulcrum.oz.au
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why, Porky!
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:04:36 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1993Jan23.030850.10787@wam.umd.edu>, vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
> I just had an interesting flashback.  I distinctly recall seeing a piece of
> animation wherein Porky Pig, *the* Porky Pig, says:
> 
> "Oh, son of a b---son of a b---son of a b---son of a bitch!  [looks at 
> camera]  Ha.  You didn't think I was gonna say it, did you?"

The exact quote is:
[Porky is nailing something, and smacks his thumb with the hammer]
"OW!  Son of a--son of a--son of a--son of a gun!"
[Looks at camera]
"Ha!  You thought I was going to say 'son of a BITCH!', didn't you?"

I'm quite sure this was for one of the pieces WB did for the US Army back
in WWII.  You know, like the Private Snafu shorts?
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From: murakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (Brandon Murakami)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:14:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Oh, now I see the confusion.  The Goof Troop might be assisted with Amigas,
but the Goof Troop is not animated at the Disney Studios.  Goof Troop and
every other current Disney cartoon series are commissioned out to other
studios.  I can't recall which studios does which, but if this is the source
of all the Amiga fanatics' claim to being a part of Disney animation then yes,
it's true there is some use.  But at the Disney Studios, they use Macintoshes
for pencil tests.

Brandon :)
From: rgaines@engin.umich.edu (Robert A Gaines)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS: The Mechanic... YUCK! (Details in BTAS)
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:02:19 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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In article <1993Jan26.052237.19536@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.233111.3553@news.uiowa.edu>, mstailey@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael David Stailey) writes:
>> 
>> Talk about disappointments... all they did for this episode was
>> rip off the "Penguin gains control of the Batmobile" scene from
>> BATMAN RETURNS.
>[Not to mention the "Penguin gains control of the Batmobile" from
>the 60's TV series]
>
>Well, yes.  But as Elisabeth Riba pointed out, they did it *better*
>than in BATMAN RETURNS.  I'd say that taking one sequence from a
>live-action film and producing a story which is better than the
>original deserves merit by itself.  Don't you agree?
>-- 

	One of the things I liked about it was the old batmobile shown
(identical to the "actual" vehicle shown in the comics), as well as the 
old costume shown in the flashback scenes.  Is it just me, or is the 
attention to detail a lot higher in this cartoon than in most others?

- Rob
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 13:17:20 EST
From: Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal: The Movie

In article <1993Jan21.174607.12319@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, rdutt@mksol.dseg.ti.com
(richard f. dutt) says:
>
>On the other hand, Cinemax, because of it's contract with whoever
>"owns" the movie, is allowed to show it as part the movie library
>they have access to.  Cinemax shows Heavy Metal once every 4 or 6
>months only once during the entire month, always at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m.

When I watched it on 'Max and the subsequent copy a friend has, during
the last story the picture begins to move back and forth.  Was this done
to prevent it from being pirated or did this occur during the theater
runs as well?  It is annoying at first but seems to ease  off after awhile.
__

Nicholas C. Hester
ia80024@maine.bitnet
ia80024@maine.maine.edu
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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: Toon gloves, coloring
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:20:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.230720.27732@math.ucla.edu> duehara@yosemite.atmos.ucla.edu (Dana Uehara) writes:
>In several 'toons that star anthropomorphized animals (i.e. furries), I've
>noticed that several of 'em wear white gloves (Bugs Bunny, Goofy, Max,
>PJ -- the latter three being from the "Goof Troop" series, btw).
>
>Is this mainly to set these characters apart from non-anthropomorphized
>animals?  For example, WRT Disney characters, Mickey and Goofy both wear
>gloves, Pluto doesn't.

The purpose of the gloves, originally, was to give animal characters fingers.
Animals have paws, not fingers;  the gloves were sort of like prosthetics, if
you will.  Supposedly, if you took the gloves off one, originally, he would
have only short animal digits, not fingers.  (Hard to believe, isn't it?)
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From: km2011@andy.bgsu.edu (K. Errick Mebane)
Subject: Robotech Album
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:24:00 GMT

TO ANYONE WHO ENJOYS ROBOTECH, but hates MinMei!

I have a nearly impossible search on my hands!  Me and my friends love to
watch the Robotech series over and over and over again, but there's one guy
who constantly sings those stupid MinMei songs, the ones that drive you
crazy.  I would like to know if anyone knows where to get a hold of any
MinMei albums that may exist.  I know they're sold in Japan, but I don't
know if they're available in the US.  If anyone has any info, and would
like me to shut my friend up forever, send me email.  Thanks!


Ren:  You're an astouding source of ignorance, Stimpy!
Stimpy: They don't call me stupid for nothing!
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From: antonina@wam.umd.edu (KAM)
Subject: HARLEY & IVY: a question
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:40:32 GMT

How did Ivy get a phone line into her house, or electicity and water for that
matter? Because the Joker was able to trace the call we know that it was a legitline, but the authorities should have known "Pamela Ivesly" was a wanted name.
Even if she used an alias there must have/should have been and ivestigation intothere being a house on a condemned, toxic dump. For that matter, how do any of
these characters get the necessaries pumped into their secret, out of the way
hideouts? The Batcave for instance.
From: whitefox@eng.umd.edu (M.S. Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Name this cartoon...PLEASE!!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:28:47 GMT
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Originator: whitefox@tea.eng.umd.edu


In article <1k3fpdINNpk8@early-bird.think.com>,
 bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford) writes:
>>This is an animated movie I saw on HBO sometime in the early 80's.  I
>>can't remember the title, so I'll just rattle off the stuff I remember
>>from it.
>>Anyway: A little man named Dreamfinder and his Dreamfig assistants (I'm
>>not making this up, I swear!), he said something about them to the
>>effect of "Nice fellows, tapdance do they not, nor do they f*rt.", his
>>niece (a generic princess type),  (another quote:"You can't be my uncle
>>Dreamfinder, he was tall and strong and you're short and bent!"  "I am"
>>"What happened to my big, tall, strong Uncle Dreamfinder" "He became
>>short and bent"), some generic superhero type, and a lot of ink spilling
>>all over the place.  The only other thing I remember is that it wasn't
>>made with cels, it looked more like sheets of tissue paper and acetate
>>being pixillated...
>>
>The name of the the film is _Twice upon a Time_. The generic superhero
>type is Rod Rescue-man. It is available on video, but I have not seen
>it on laserdisk.
>
>Paul

It is definitely available on laserdisc, since a copy of it is sitting
on my shelf.   It's available through Warner Brothers Video, with side 1
in CLV mode and side 2 in CAV mode.  I bought my copy locally and cost me
somewhere in the region of $31-35 (memory not serving me very well today).
The VHS tape is at least $20 more than the disc, but is also available
through Warner Video.

I believe it was released to disc either in late 1991 or early 1992.  

Imho, TWICE UPON A TIME is a superb animated film.  I'm glad that there are
others who remember and enjoy this film as much as I enjoy it.

				M. Steven Pope
				univ of md
				college park
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From: ftw33616@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (.)
Subject: Re: Transformers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:46:37 GMT

eek2@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric E. Katz) writes:


>Can people try describing some of the Transformer episodes they 
>have seen or try to give the real names of the episodes.  I used
>to have a list of them in the order in which they appeared 
>(for my friends so they can set their VCRs to get a specific 
>episode (smart 8 year old, huh??)  Anyway, would like to see 
>if anyone could think of the episodes.

Man, I really loved the multi parters.  like the drag cybertron to earth one -
can't think of any offhand. 

my favorite episodes that I can think of off hand

megatron vs optimus prime, where megatron cheats and takes all the decepticon's
powers.  talk about a stomp.

really loved the transformers movie - they were blowing guys up left and 
right.

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