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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:36:15 CDT
From:         Elizabeth Lane <ELANE3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: End of Modesty

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Michael Hart tells us that he thinks individuals are less likely to post
"negative" notes in public than they are in private. I would disagree. It
has been my experience that people are far more likely to post negative
notes publicly, probably because it has a more impersonal feel. An e-mail
message sent to one person makes the interpersonal nature of the exchange
far more obvious. I have found, when making my occasional forays into
"flame-bait" material, that the negative messages are more likely to appear
on the list, but are often outnumbered by the positive messages that
come via e-mail. Fertile ground for communication research, but hard to
observe without the observation affecting the results...

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Subject: AMIGOS Fall Conference
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:23:23 GMT
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Make Plans Now for The AMIGOS Fall 1992 Conference: November 18 -
20 in Dallas.

The AMIGOS Fall 1992 Conference is sure to be exciting as experts and
authorities from throughout the country come to Dallas to discuss current
issues facing librarians today: access and document delivery, the Internet,
and controlling the physical environment of our libraries.

Preconferences will be held November 18. The conference commences
November 19-20 at the Harvey Hotel-Addison in Dallas, Texas. For details
and information regarding registration, accommodations and rates (member,
non-member and student), please contact the AMIGOS Conference Desk:
800/843-8482 (nationwide) or 214/851-8000 (in the Dallas area). Early bird
rates are available through October 26.

AMIGOS presents semiannual conferences to provide a forum for librarians
nationwide to discuss contemporary library issues of national and regional
interest. We look forward to seeing friends and meeting new colleagues in
Dallas in November!

The Fall 1992 Conference agenda is:

Wednesday, November 18
9:00 a.m. -  5:00 p.m. Preconference:  "Untangling the Internet"
9:00 a.m. -  5:30 p.m. Preconference:  "Preservation Environments for
Libraries and Archives"

Thursday, November 19
8:30 a.m. -  Noon      Small Group Sessions
1:30 p.m. -  5:00 p.m. General Session/4th Annual Collection
Development Seminar: "Access: Buy, Borrow (or Steal?)"

Friday November 20
9:00 a.m. -  Noon      General Session/4th Annual Collection
Development Seminar (cont'd.):"Access: Buy, Borrow (or Steal?)"


AMIGOS Bibliographic Council, Inc.
12200 Park Central Drive, Suite 500
Dallas, Texas  75251
214/851-8000 or 800/843-8482
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Subject: RE: Chained Books
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:27:26 GMT
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One problem is that the people who plan for computer uses in libraries aren't
real library workers, and don't follow through. A good example is that
when an ILL comes in on OCLC, the OCLC system can't/won't find the local
call number. Thus, all requests have to be a  manually searched and located.
Something so simple seems to have been overlooked, since the people who
planned the system has never had to look up call numbers.
lee hadden
usgs li8brary
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:14:19 CDT
From:         Sanjay_Chadha@library.tmc.edu
Subject:      Wonders of InterOp..

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Those of you that live around San Fransisco or plan to be there Oct 28-
30, should plan on attending the InterOp.  Last year, InterOp exhibition
concided with the MLA meeting in Washington, and I had the good fortune
(& common sense) of attending the exhibits.  INTEROP offers very high
quality courses on networking, inter-networking etc.  The courses ARE
DEEP LEVEL STUFF, and expensive, but the exhibition is only around $10/
day, and well worth it.  Attending library based conferences, I used to
get the feeling of how far ahead we were with the technology, attending
this one made me feel how little we know about this technology!  I'll
use an illustration to make a point and encourage you guys to attend...
One of the big hits at MLA was a connection to Internet that was
provided by FAXON.  Well, I walked into Interop, and found....

    20 X-terminals and VT320's supporting connections to Inter-Net, and
    a host of other networks available for public use!  The whole show
    itself runs on a FIBRE backbone with FDDI and all the booths are
    connected to it.  The products are thus demonstrated live, with
    connectivity to hosts, other vendors's products, protocol conversion
    etc.  In short, you can actually see the products work, in a live
    AND complex environment.  They have wireless LANS, hubs, routers,
    bridges, protocol analyzers and the works.

The show is also a good example of an electronic society, your badge has
a magnetic strip, encoded with your name, company info, address etc.
Thus when you visit booths, instead of asking you for your business
cards, they simply borrow your badge, swipe it through reader, and punch
in any codes for your special requests, and you are done!  (Of course it
also gives show organizers a verry good analysis of areas of interest,
traffic through each booth and so on...).

I am in no way connected with the INTEROP.  After my trip last year, I
had decided to let PACS-L people know of the value of this show.  For
those interested, the show is on Oct 28-30, Brooks Hall & Moscone
Convention center, San Fransisco.  For more information, call 1-800-
INTEROP ext 1351.

Sanjay R. Chadha
sanjayc@library.tmc.edu
HAM-TMC Library
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Subject:      Re: Printing from the OED2nd on CD

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I am afraid that I may have misled you. I am not now running CD-ROM OED2 under
Windows, but am interested in doing so. I can, however, make mention of general
 security of Applications run from within Windows. The question, apart from the
 casual wandering co-worker's eye, of security of programs is a serious one, es
pecially in Windows 3.x. There is no foolproof way to block access to certain p
rograms within Windows, apart from either (1) blanking the screen with a passwo
rd or (2) making the app "invisible" to Windows.

I would be interested in any information you might have about these issues, as
Windows, as it exists now, provides little support for security provisions. The
 next Windows (NT), which, unfortunately for all of us, will be around (or abov
e!) $500 (compare Win 3.1 @ $130 or so), will provide a greater measure of secu
rity, but how much I don't know. It is "available" but will be mass released as
 an individual package sometime next year.
John Lewis
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:34:01 CDT
From:         "(Lee Jaffe,
              Microcomputer & Network Services)" <jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu>
Subject:      Public Librarians on the net

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I've received a few very encouraging responses to "Chained Books" message
from public librarians.  In part, I know from earlier discussions and 
personal experience, that more public librarians aren't participating
in these discussions because they don't have access to the net.  But I
just received Charles Bailey's latest list of library discussion groups
and noted that there are no lists covering public, school or children's
librarians' concerns.  This too may be a consequence of access to the
technology -- how many public libraries have a computer capable of running
a listserver?   However, I'd like to see such lists created, if for no
other reason so that I can have a handy answer the next time a public
librarian asks me why they should get on the net.  I'm guessing that
interest in such lists is building and that someone only needs to take
that first step to tap an enormous resource of expertise.  If someone
is interested in moderating such a list, I bet you can find a site to
support it.  -- Lee Jaffe, UC Santa Cruz  jaffe@scilibx.ucsc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:09:33 CDT
From:         Edward Vielmetti <emv@msen.com>
Subject:      Re: Network policy and design resources

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let's see -

for contemporary issues, the archives of the 'com-priv' mailing list, and
if you can get them also 'big-internet', 'members@farnet.org', and 'ietf'.
this is good for questions of commercialization of the internet, internet
structure and growth, and details of how design of the net has come up
against growth.

a good chronicle of the times is the "internet monthly report".

for a historical perspective, there is are several archives of primary
internet source materials, including the 'msggroup' mailing list kept at
wuarchive.wustl.edu, and the 'A News' tape as produced by the Usenet
History project.  these detail network events from ca. 1976 to 1983,
including some of the formative design elements of networks which have
grown considerably since.  If you can locate a complete set of the 'Human
Nets' once organized out of Rutgers that would be immensely helpful.

i would suggest that newcomers be given ample disk space, complete
archives of these groups, and searching tools such as grep and perhaps
full text searching systems like WAIS, from which one might get less of a
canned, preformed idea of how things are.  in particular i would suggest
that a good study of the historical record would be more enlightening that
mail messages sent out right now.

good luck, i'd be interested in seeing the syllabus you come up with.
i can give some more detailed references if that is useful.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562
From: T400153@UNIVSCVM.BITNET (carol s hardin)
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Subject: differences in cd-rom and online databases
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:28:19 GMT
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I am currently doing research comparing cd-rom network stations, locally
mounted databases, and online databases. (1) I am interested in cost
comparisons of the three options, and at what point (minutes of use)
cd-rom and locally-mounted databases become cheaper than online use.
(2) How often does updating occur in specific databases online versus cd-rom?
(3) How many cds can be housed in one network station?
(4) Are there problems with switching between cd's in a workstation?
(5) Which databases have been most popular with undergraduates in an
    academic setting?
(6) What type of database has worked best for you (cdrom, locally-mounted,
    or online)?

    Thank you so much for your help.  :)
     Carol S Hardin <T400153 at UNIVSCVM>
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:21:46 CDT
From:         maul@VASSAR.BITNET
Subject:      Microform vs. CD-ROM

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       I  have been frustrated by the poor access to large primary source
microfilm collections and wished they were in digitized CD-ROM or other
computer searchable format.  As the material itself is a rich resource I
don't want to turn my back on it, but I keep wondering how much longer
microforms will be produced and how much longer or if at all, libraries
should continue to buy them.  Also, if there were  a way to  digitize them
from the film  into a computer readable format, no doubt it would be
illegal even though they are originally public domain documents.  The film
was commercially produced.
       Does anyone have thoughts on this or know a lot I don't know?  You
may respond to me  directly unless you think this is of general and
appropriate interest.  Thank you.  Shirley Maul, Head of Readers Services
and Reference.  Vassar College, Box 404, Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 12601
maul@vassar.edu
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:32:18 CDT
From:         BURNET@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Subject:      Network policy and design resources

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Please respond to me. I will summarize for the list.

I am preparing to teach a doctoral level course on Network Policy and Design.
The course is being offered at the School of Communication, Information and
Library Studies at Rutgers University.  Part of the course will consist
extensive independent use and exploration of the Internet.
Some of the students will have had extensive experience navigating the net
already, others will be virtual first-timers, so I hope to prepare a
packet of information (to be distributed via e-mail) that will satisfy
a variety of needs.  I would like to include lists of listservs,
e-journals, newsgroups, etc. which deal with network policy and design
issues.  I would also like to prepare a list of "network experts/role
models" whom the students might "interview" (again, via e-mail) in partial
satisfaction of the course requirements.

I would appreciate any suggestions regarding these lists of resources.
If you are willing to serve as a "network expert" please let me know.
The course will be a seminar--I promise you won't be deluged with hundreds
of reguests!  If you have suggestions for "network expert/role models"
please send me their e-mail addresses.  I will contact them directly for
permission before adding them to the list.

Finally, if anyone else out there is planning on teaching a similar course
this Spring (or anytime in the future), and might be willing to cooperate
in a cross-institutional dialog, please let me know.  If there are enough
responses, I may consider setting up an appropriate venue for discussion.

Kathleen Burnett
Assistant Professor
School of Communication, Information & Library Studies
Rutgers University
burnet@zodiac.rutgers.edu
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Subject: Electronic Texts from Chadwyck
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:17:58 GMT
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From:         yunah sung at ua1vm <YUSUNG3@UA1VM>
Subject:      Re: Electronic texts from Chadwyck-Healey

I'd like to know which the 7 languages are,    the frequency of
updating the CD-ROM,and the cost of it.Would you like to tell me
the coverage of the news? Does the news mainly focus on political
issues or economics? if you have more detailed information, please
let me know.
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From:         "Kathleen E. Bethel" <KBETHEL@NUACVM>
Subject:      Re: Electronic texts from Chadwyck-Healey

Two responses to the 'computer' requests...

THE BLACK COMPUTER SURVIVAL GUIDE by Eno Essien.  Oakland, CA:  Blackk Inkk
Research Group (255 MacArthur Blvd.; Ste. 109; Oakland 94610), 1992.  This
title was mentioned in a recent issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education.  I
do not know the contents, but thought that questions may be prompted by the
material covered.

AfroLink Software (1815 Wellington Road; Los Angeles, CA  90019; 213.732.7923;
FAX 213.730.0653) produces a number of data files of interest to Black Studies,
featuring disks of Africa, African-American and Caribbean information reference
utilities for Windows and several disks of Black clipart (wonderful images).
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:37:07 CDT
From:         bkatz@cosy.uoguelph.ca
Subject:      Interactive

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While not precisely an interactive CD-ROM workstation, there have been other
interactive workstations around for some time, based on Videodiscs.  One of
the most impressive of these is the so-called Domesday System, named after the
famous Domesday Book created for William the Conqueror - an amazingly detailed
record of the estates, manors, people, animals, crops, etc. of 11thC. England.
As part of the 900th anniversary celebrations of the original Domesday, the
BBC and others undertook to create a 20thC record of the United Kingdom, 1986.

This was done using an interactivve videodisc system that is still a wonder to
behold, even 6 years afterwards!  It includes the complete Ordinance Survey
mapping of the UK, down to the largest scales (1" = 100 yds), photos (in what
we would call high resolution video), extensive text on everything (litteraly)
in the country, *all* kinds of statistical information - which can be manipu-
lated by the user to suit the particular variables desired and then mapped onto

the geographic area relevant to the query, various "walks" to show what life's
like (in a country cottage, a county flat, a city house, etc., and all sorts
of other activities including a 60 minute compilation of documentary and news
footage from the 1980's.  This all takes two 12" videodiscs.  The system has
also been used for a series of simulation "games", in order to teach ecology,
how volcanoes function, and other things.  Our copy of the system has resided
in our map section since day one, and is used regularly by those wanting quick
checks of geographical areas, information about abbeys or castles (etc.), some
stats on the percentage of women above the age of 50 who are afraid to go out
alone at night in the knightsbridge area, etc., etc.  Quite spectacular!
Bernard Katz, U of Guelph Library
              Guelph, Ontario
bkatz@cosy.uoguelph.ca
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:08:35 CDT
From:         Lee Hancock <LE07144@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Health Science Resources Update

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 An update of my BITNET/Internet Health Science Resource List
 (10-09-92) is now available via ftp from ftp.sura.net.


 This is a comprehensive list of health science resources available on
 the networks. The list includes Listserv groups, Usenet groups, Freenets,
 Data Archives, Electronic Newsletters and Health Science oriented databases.
 This update also includes anonymous ftp sites for software applications and
 several new databases, including CancerNet and FDA bbs.

 Access via ftp: ftp.sura.net            Directory: pub/nic
 File: medical.resources.10-9

For those without ftp access, send me a personal request with health
science resource as the subject and I'll gladly forward you a copy.


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Lee Hancock                            || Archie R. Dykes Library
Educational Technologist               || 3901 Rainbow Blvd.
University of Kansas Medical Center    || Kansas City, KS 66160-7181
                                       || (913) 588-7144
Bitnet   - LE07144@UKANVM              ||
Internet - LE07144@UKANVM.CC.UKANS.EDU || "Knowledge is nothing if not
                                       ||  shared"... Me
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:35:10 CDT
From:         "Roger D. Gifford" <RDG28@ALBNYVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No-charge Access to FirstSearch

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I'd be interested in hearing responses to this question too.  Thanks.

Roger D. Gifford
University at Albany Libraries
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From: KJFRONCE@KSUVM.BITNET (Kathy Fronce)
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Subject: Position Announcement
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:22:58 GMT
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This is being cross-posted in multiple listings, please excuse
duplication.


                      NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR
                      POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT


Network Administrator.  KSU Libraries seeks a network administrator
to provide microcomputer support and implement LAN-, CD ROM-, and
Unix-related projects involving both microcomputer and mainframe
environments.  Required:  BS, computer science, or closely related
major; in-depth experience with microcomputers and MS-DOS;
experience with CD-ROM and ethernet-TCP/IP; and interpersonal
skills.  Preferred:  experience with NOTIS (or other integrated
library system), Unix system and utilities, PC/Unix/mainframe
inter-networking.  This is a regular position appointment.  Salary:
mid-twenties.  Review of applications begins October 20, 1992.
Culturally diverse applicants encouraged.  To apply, send
application letter, resume, 3 work-related reference names with
addresses and telephone numbers to:  M. Jean McDonald, Farrell
Library, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506.

Kansas State University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action
Employer.  Women and minorities are encouraged to apply.
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