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From: bob@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (robert s. richardson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The PET
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:48:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1h9n7gINNj2k
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu

In article <BzpKBq.946@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> u2d92@seq1.keele.ac.uk (MJ Gumbley) writes:
>From article <1992Dec22.131337.22119@zds-oem.zds.com>, by benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com (Adam Benjamin):
>> I vaguely remember playing some text adventure written in basic on a PET
>> at the local Community college.  I only remember falling into a pool that
>> was full of mercury... anyway,  What did (does?) PET stand for? anything?
>> is it Pretty Electronic Thing?  Programable Electronics & Transistors?
>> What what?
>  As I recall, it stood for "Personal Electronic Translator" (Could have
>been Transactor... hmmm...)

It was "Personal Electronic Transactor", thus there was the popular
programmer's magazine "Transactor" for Commodore computers (and the
subsequent, ill fated Amiga Transactor, which I will always cherish
and miss...)  I remember that adventure game--I played an updated
Commodore 64 version--To drain the pool of liquid mercury you had to
turn a faucet somewhere.  Also, does anyone remember what "Ritnew is
a charming word" means in the context of that game?  I do!  :-)

Bob Richardson
bob@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
(Embarassed at remembering lines from long-dead adventure games on 8-bit CPUs)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32315 comp.sys.amiga.games:17319 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19184 rec.games.chess:12094
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: UChess.lha Avail via ftp
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:39:59 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

I have uploaded version 2.06 of UChess to amiga.physik.unizh.ch,
hubcap.clemson.edu (/pub/amiga/incoming/games) and
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu (/pub/chess/uploads/Amiga).

It fixes the Mungwall problem, and adds a few things as far
as checking for good games before loading...

-Roger
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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga 1200 HD versus non-HD
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Dec 92 20:35:11 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Jonas S. Green jsg@css.northeastern.edu
<1992Dec24.235808.26458@random.northeastern.edu> was  suggesting gettig a
1200 HD rather than a 1200 -- C'mon Jonas, Commodore is supplying a 40 MB
hard drive in the 1200 HD.  A drive that small is just large enough to
realize it's mostly a crock.


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:01:08 GMT

In article <1hbttsINNh9d@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>In article <1992Dec24.053726.29521@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>Ok, I've REALLY LOOKED for the way to switch to 640X400, but I
>>cannot find it.  Where??  I have looked a lot in the Preference
>>program, but I didn't see it.
>
>Look for a button that says "interlace", if I remember.  Also, in 1.3,
>there's no easy way to use an overscanned WB.

   Yes there is.  Use "morerows".  Tell morerows how many added rows and 
columns of resolution you want.  You can get up to 704x480, I think.  Thus:

     morerows -rows 40 -columns 64
                    ^^---- this is "40" because morerows uses added 
                           non-interlaced scan lines, or sets of interlaced
                           scan lines. 

    Will give you a 704x240 or 704x480 Workbench, depending on whether
"interlace" is turned on in the Preferences or not.  After executing this
command, you go Preferences and immediately hit "save" without messing with
anything else.  Then just reboot.  After that, the Workbench will always come
up in 704x480 or 704x240.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 22 Dec 92  20:16:00

> Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
> From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
> Message-ID: <1992Dec22.170500.21893@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
> :
> :     Funny, I can move both my windows and my screens both horizontally
> : and vertically.
>
> Really?  You can have, for example, one screen covering up the left half
> of another?

Well,  no.  But, you knew that, didnt ya..  Obviously, windows can partialy
cover  other  windows  just  like  on  any  other computer.  And they don't
anoyingly pop to the front whenever you select one.

> :     And as far as apps talking to each other, hell when did the Mac
> : introduce it's app ports? ARexx and Rexx have been around for years, and
> : ports have always been there.
>
> The Mac has had a useful clipboard since day one.

So  has  the  Amiga.   Nobody  seems  to  want  to use it, though.  But the
clipboard has always been there.

 -Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer-Given that God is infinate-
 -AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Critter, Magnet, Major-and  that  the universe is-
 -- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! --also  infinate,  would you-
 --- Still limping along with AmigaOS 1.3  :(  ---like a toasted  tea  cake?-


--- Maximus 2.01wb
From: SML108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 'Falcon sucks' etc
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:42:13 GMT
 <1992Dec22.155118.1944@msus1.msus.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Far be it from me to praise the morons at Atari but I do believe they
managed to pull off the price tag...  Alas the only thing keeping me
from jumping ship and buying an amiga is that goshdarned DSP...

Typical, in 86 they kept me from buying an amiga by getting the ST out
fast and at half the price of an amiga.  Of course, the amiga was wee bit
better technologically but it just wasn't worth $1000 more to me as I
was a poor struggling college student and I got my ST wholesale by
snagging a Christmas vacation job at a computer store that didn't
sell amigas so I never knew their wholesale price...

So convince me why I should abandon one loser company for another... Irving
Gould or the Katzenjammer kids, what a choice...  But seriously, I WANT to
be convinced...  I'm really ambivalent towards both companies right now...

Scott
"What would be your reaction if we sued you for copyright infringement for
 HacMan II?"- Leonard Tramiel to Double Click Software during a plant visit
              to Atari headquarters
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The 'Screens' debate:
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 18:49:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec24.015546.22863@usl.edu> <72373@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Dec25.033622.2768@usl.edu>

>>The Windows MDI is similar in concept to multiple screens.
>
>What is that?

Fer Instance, when you open MS Word, it opens one "big" window which
serves as a backdrop for many smaller windows.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Portable GUI Builders and *YOU* (Call now!)
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:56:24 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Hello fellow Amiga advocates!

Two ads in the most recent Byte (which contained a fair review of the
A4000 and A3000T, by the way) from XVT Software Inc (1-800-678-7988)
and Case Design (1-800-880-1100) offer products for interface creation
which support multiple platforms, but *neither* supports the Amiga.
XVT even claims that they support "all GUIs"!  Call these people up,
and politely inform them of the market they're missing - the estimated
5 million Amigas that are just waiting for their support!  Tell them
about the new machines, the new OS, anything you know that will help
convince them to make their software port to our platform.  You might
even want to give them a CBM rep's number if you know someone at
Commodore.  I don't know how Commodore lets these people get away with
this kind of thing, but this is something you can do that's free (only
a few minutes of your time) to help out your platform of choice!

Again, the numbers to call are:
  XVT Software : 1-800-678-7988
  CASE Design  : 1-800-880-1100

Ask them to make their software work with 5 million Amiga computers, all
of which have GUIs!!
-- 
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Jake Rose               :: Every cloud has a silver lining.
jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu :: Every silver lining has a cloud inside it.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:56:22 GMT

In article <1htcc5INN221@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
writes:

>	Tim, I don't know where you are getting these exchange rates.  I live
>   in the US and the 2 places that sell Amigas near me are certainly not using
>   your exchange rate.  The A1200 + 40meg HD + 1960 is at least $1300 here.

That's because you're inferring that there should also be a price parity,
which there isn't. A comparable system in Canada retails for $1300 CDN.
Each CBM subsidiary sets its own prices, and with the devalued Canadian
dollar, the difference becomes quite substantial.

As of Thursday, $1 CDN=$.78 U.S.
  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jbw@ponder.csci.unt.edu (WEST JASON BRUCE)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 05:34:32 GMT

In article <kZP0VB3w165w@coyote.datalog.com> cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson) writes:
>> [ bandwidth-reducing deletia... ]
>> 
>> #1.Most Amiga games CANNOT multitask, with, say a download (which is
>> what we were discussing.
>
> 
>As all Amiga owners will attest, this is a bunch of defecation...I've got 
>three right here that do it with no problem:
> 
>carmen SanDiego, Tetris & World Trophy Soccer...
> 
>ANybody else want to list  software they use that'll multitask correctly?
>
>
>           _____         ______________________   _____                
>       |/    |          | cobra@datalog.com   |     |        /\        
>       |\ en |hompson   | cobra@jab.tus.az.us |     |ucson, /--\rizona 
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------

   Black Crypt
   Most good PD games
   Most pirated games
   Most games are hackable to multitasking
   TV Sports BasketBall
   Hmmm... that's about all the games I play


Ciao...

                                       - Jason
From: ecarroll@maths.tcd.ie (Eddy Carroll)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:41:38 GMT

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>VGA is 640x480x4.  SVGA is 800x600x4.  And there does seem to be a standard
>in SVGA -- Microsoft's SVGA Windows driver supports all SVGA's. 

This doesn't imply that there's a SVGA standard. if you have access to
the Windows 3.1 DDK, check the source code for the SVGA driver; it has lots
of code to determine which of 4 or 5 popular VGA chipsets is in use, and
even more code to special case all the different idiosyncracies of each
one. About the only thing they do share in common is that they produce an
800x600x4 display using a bitplane rather than chunky layout.

Eddy
-- 
Eddy Carroll      ----* Genuine MUD Wizard  | "You haven't lived until you've
Internet: ecarroll@maths.tcd.ie             |  died in MUD!" -- Richard Bartle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.143454.18410@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> You are terribly mistaken if you think an Amiga with 512K, much 
> less 512k,  can multitask useful apps.  Terribly mistaken.

I must have been hallucinating from late 1986 through mid 1991. I really
thought I was running useful apps (like, Aztec C) while dialed in to what
has now become sugar.neosoft.com. Even had all the includes in a RAMdisk.

As for Weird Pervect, and Locust 123, I somehow managed to run their ancestors
on a 56K CP/M box. It's only the fact that DOS machines *couldn't* multitask
that people considered them acceptable. An integrated *environment* beats any
number of integrated applications.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: The 'Screens' debate:
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:36:22 GMT

In article <72373@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>
>The Windows MDI is similar in concept to multiple screens.

What is that?

>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko
--
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:04:06 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec28.225314.27426@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> by ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy):

> It provides a tree structured filesystem, stream I/O and peripheral
> management services.  It provides memory management, TSR support and

    As far as peripheral management goes, from inception it appears
    that people have considered its screen and comms IO broken,
    because few programs use the OS for it.

    It has a file system because without files there are no programs
    to load. "TSR support" is an aspect of program loading.

> yes even Networking support :)

    On the machines here, this is actually external to DOS itself.

> Just because MS-DOS is an aging OS doesn't negate its contribution 
> to computing history.

    That is not the argument here...

> It was and still IS an OS...

    ...and this is a seperate claim, which in turn is slightly
    different from the claim that MS-DOS is and was a _broken_ OS, and
    now is not considered by the industry to be a worthwhile OS
    either.

> Charles C. Bundy IV
--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
From: cg18ffl@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (Spumoni...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:18:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Dec29.160521.4069@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
: > So is your claim that a 512K Amiga can run "current feature level"
: > applications.  So my analogy holds perfectly, while you're just whining.
:
:     Absurd. A 512KB Amiga can and does run such applications.
:

-Right.  You think a 512KB Amiga (with no virtual memory, of course), could
-ever run something like Word?  FrameMaker?  Quicken?  Improv?  Paradox?
-Falcon 3?  Ultima Underworld?  Think again, denizen.

I've a very personal question for you.

Do you have gas?



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---nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu






Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:59:37 GMT

In article <1h8j52INNsvf@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, torban@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Torban Bennett) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
|> 
|> >>I can't wait to see the next one...seventh guest.  2 CDs of three
|> >>dimensional raytracing in ONE game.  
|> 
|> Ahhh, now this _does_ sound good!  But lets see the final version before
|> before everyone rushes out to buy a generic mainstream computer.

Conputer Gaming World (or something like that... saw an issue) said they liked
it. They only saw it at a show, tho. I don't think the Real Thing (tm) is out
anywhere yet.

Still, does look cool. Maybe they'll make a CDTV version. If the Commodore 
people have brain one between all of them, they'll be on the 'phone to the
game designers trying to CONVINCE them to port it. Ever hear of a little 
AGGRESSIVE marketing, CBM? I don't consider ads in AmigaWorld terribly 
aggressive.

[CBM VP #1] Duhhh... Marketing? Whazzat?

[VP #2]  You know! It's that little office in the basement, where they do 
         nothing all day but try to convince people they're doing something.

[#1] I thought that was the janitor's closet?

[#2] NO, the LITTLE office! The small one next to the janitor's...

[#1] Oh... 
     I thought that was the coat closet...


|> >I wish I had a CD ROM!

Don't we all. Maybe then you'd leave us alone...

|> >-- 
|> >Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
|> >"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
|> > appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
|> > everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn
|> 
|> Oooh, ow, ouch..stop it Dan that large stick _really_ hurts ;-)
|> (and yes I have played it, its a good game , but do you have to mention it
|> in virtually every post?)
|> 
|> Torban Bennett -- torban@murdoch.edu.AU --->

-- 
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32055 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:22002
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:02:14 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
: In article <Bzoswq.4p7@news.iastate.edu>, skank@iastate.edu (George L. Hall-Skank) writes...
: >
: >	It appears that the new ALPHA runs in the 150 specmark range.  Maybe
: >as fast as 200 specmarks running code in tight loops from cache.  I'm with
: >Steve, that's not very close to 2000 but that's still *quite* impressive!
: >It might even be the fastest processor on the planet, that depends on HP.
: 
: From what I've read, HP is a long way away from even coming close to ALPHA, on
: the order of a year or two.
: 
:        __  Paul J. Olson - VAX Systems Manager & Resident Amiga Addict 

Yeah, you've read it in a Digital Magazine... They can be said to be slightly
ahead of HP, since some of the machines now are actually shipping.

More interesting with Alpha are the theoretical limits, which seems to
be higher than with the competitors current solution. It also seems easier
to come close to these limits with the Alpha design.

Note the "seems", no-one will really know for a while, yet.

-- 
=============================================================================
 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
=============================================================================
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 31 Dec 1992 15:31:06 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Dec31.020457.10390@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>If Safe Harbor is an authorized dealer, then if one purchases a A1200
>trhrough them (via mail-order) will C= still honor the warentee?

I wouldn't know.  It would all depend on whether C= allows authorized
dealers to sell via mail-order.  Last I heard, they didn't.

Greg


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:40:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.214112.20498@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>
>>    I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
>> productivity software available for the Amiga.
>
>That's true Marc, CygnusEd Professional, SAS C 6.1, Video Toaster's
>software, Real 3D 2.0, they all suck, they're lousy and all inferior
>to even most basic MicroSoft products.

   Yes, CignusEd Pro, SAS C, and Real 3-D are really good examples of 
productivity software.  All these go hand-in-hand with WordPerfect,
Adobe Illustrator, and MS Works.  NOT!

> And of course we all know how
>one definately can not hook all those CD-ROMs available via SCSI.

   Uh huh, and CD-ROM drives are really good examples of software, too.  NOT!

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:19:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec23.170059.17671@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

>You can act like an idiot, making fun of people's names all you want, but in

Some of us became pretty thick skinned about our names right about 6th grade.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko