HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. A&M (was Re: ATM Graduation Rates)
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:01:35 GMT

In article <BILLMS.92Aug26105552@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <10432@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>   Richard Han writes
>   + 2) Stanford's offense is multi-faceted PAC-10 and vintage 49er thanks to 
>   + Walsh. The A&M defense probably will not see anything like its complexity
>   + in its Southwest Conference schedule.  
>
>   I beg to differ. UHouston ran/runs a Run-N-Shoot style offense, which
>   is probably as complex as one can get. They also saw FSU's vaunted
>   offense in action in their *last* game.
>
>The R&S is a read-n-react offence, for the most part, with very few options.
>Simple line blocking, runs are almost strictly draws.  Its not complex.
>Thats why Andre was so great at Houston, and isn't worth a damn in Detroit.

Well, I agree and disagree. The run and shoot is more complex than Bill makes
it out to be. A pattern is called for every one of the four receivers, and they
have optional patterns that they must switch to depending on the defensive
alignments. Each receiver must make the correct read and execute the correct
pattern, while the QB must make ALL of the correct reads (for each receiver).
Thus, this offense is EXTREMELY complex for the QB. It is a difficult offense
to execute correctly, which is why no team (that I have ever seen) has looked
even decent at it in their first year of running it (this is somtimes true of
other offenses, but _always_ true of the R&S).

However, I don't think the R&S is any more complex than a "Walsh" offense.
It is just more complex _relative_ to the traditional offense. Walsh's offense
is probably (IMHO) a little less taxing to the QB (since he doesn't have to
roll out on every play, and make four correct reads simultaneously), but
it is probably a little harder for the RB, and much harder for the OL.

Jay

P.S.:
I don't think the reason Andre sucks in Detroit is that he didn't have to run
a very complex offense. I think he just looked _better_ than he was at UH
because he got a full year to learn the R&S, in which he wasn't very good
(see above), and so the SWC didn't bother to figure it out--they beat it 
anyway. When he "mastered" it, the SWC teams had not figured out to how
defense it yet, and he looked very good, as did Klingler the  next year.
(Remember than Klingler, a better physical prospect than Andre, did not
look so great last year, when the SWC teams had learned how to play against
the R&S, and had better athletes than a few years ago when the whole 
conference was down.... not that it's "up" now.)
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John R. Boisseau ("Jay")
Department of Astronomy
University of Texas at Austin
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:58:44 GMT

In article <la8t4iINN5eg@cronkite> andy@misha.central.sun.com writes:
>In article 7382@news.nd.edu, rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>
>> 	The word just came in from the NCAA concerning the 
>>status of Notre Dame's DuBose.  He was suspended for 2 games
>>(NU and MU) for accpeting a $600 dollar loan.  He was also
>>cleared of any wrongdoing concerning a $25000 car loan which
>>was also brought into question.
>
>Why was he cleared in the car loan ?  Did it not happen ?  It seemed
>pretty clear,  by the Tribune reports that this was a violation.  DId the
>NCAA give any indication why he was cleared ?  

My understanding is that the $600 loan was to be repaid in a single lump
sum in the spring.  I think the NCAA prohibits such arrangements because
they presume that it represents a de facto cash advance from an agent.
Probably the payment schedule for the larger loan was over a longer
period of time.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 03:51:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep1.003809.12848@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, CRJ14530@acuvax.acu.edu (Judd Christopher R.) writes:
|> I was just curious how many other people out there are as tired of the UT
|> attitude that is out there this year?

I've found most of them to be rather humble when talking about their football
prospects this season, even on the net.  Of course, it seems like 1/2 of the
net-posters from UT are grad students who are A&M alums :)

Now if you say tired of the "UT attitude" in general, I understand quite well.
All the UT alums I know seem to have been brainwashed that A&M is a useless
school inhabited by garden slugs pretending to be engineers and other intelligent types.  Its impossible to rationally discuss the two schools with 
a UT alum, even when keeping the subject to topics purely related to 
academics or research.  My own empirical observations are that a lot more dimwits I've met went to UT, and not A&M.  Maybe A&M doesn't offer Fashion
Market Merchandising as a major.  A&Mers, on the other hand, while also making
UT jokes, keep it as a "joke" and are still able to have a rational
conversation about the school when necessary.

I'm also sick of that "satanic" UT symbol.

BTW, what the heck does "Gig 'Em" mean?  "Hook 'em" is pretty obvious.

NOTE: the above are my own opinions, and I was not paid off by or have any
bias towards A&M.  In fact, my background makes me quite guilty of ECMB,
which shouldn't matter when comparing two schools of similar geographic
local w.r.t. the ECMB line of demarcation (whereever that is).

P.S.  Even at Rice, students are more likely to rag on A&M than UT.  Of
course, I don't which T-shirt here is more offensive, "Tuck Fexas" or 
"E aTm E".  I don't think Rice cares - they tend to lose those games anyway :)
Why does A&M get such a bad rap from other schools in this state?

ObECMB:  Go Jackets!  Go ACC!  SWC is lame!
-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Boredom is a vital problem for the moralist, since at least half the sins of
 mankind are caused by the fear of it."  - Bertrand Russell (1930)
From: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: A&M Yell Leaders (was Re: Stanford vs A&M)
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:08:24 GMT
Reply-To: ped@BNR.CA (Pedro Luna)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Aug28.175031.20775@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
dilvish@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jay Shrauner) writes:

|>
|>PS As repugnant as I find it for Stanford to now have cheerleaders, I
|>   must say I have seldom seen a cheerleading squad as inherently ridiculous
|>   as the A&M cadet corps.  How did they ever get started?
  
Hwody!  A&M does not have cheerleaders, we have yell leaders.  The
cadets you saw on screen are not our yell leaders.  The ones you saw on
the field (with the complete military outfit) are the ones who guard our
mascot Reveille.  Our yell leaders wear white uniforms and lead yells a
hell of a lot better than many of other teams' chearleading squads.  You
only need to attend either a yell practice or a game to find out just
how effective this guys are.  Or ask any of the t.u. QBs that have
played at A&M.  It takes them about 10 minutes to get their first
offensive play going...

Beat the Class of '90 hell outta LSU!

Pedro '90

Name:	  Pedro C. Luna	                      |   
E-mail:   ped@x400gate.bnr.ca                 |   
Org:      Bell-Northern Research              |

"Pico de gallo, you oughta give it a try-o
 even if you're from Ohio, it'll get you by-o.
 Don't get it in your eye-o unless you want to cry-o
 so come on, don't be shy-o, eat some pico de gallo!"

    --- Trout Fishing in America
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:53:27 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug27.210055.27258@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>On behalf of both Stanfraud and TAMU:
>
>   Bring the F*cking Bears On.
>
>-- 
>Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
>scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
>(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081


  Yeah, let the nation see how a REAL Pac-10 team can handle one of those
southern teams. :-) :-) :-)


   Doug
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From: matthew@zoot.tamu.edu (Matthew Almand)
Subject: college football pool info (wanted)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:37:44 GMT



I remember the college football pool from last season...
Has anyone seen any info about it? I'm interested in participating
in it. Thanks for the info...

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From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Re: Rocket stuff
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:49:49 GMT

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

> One thing is clear, though: without the Rocket Notre Dame would
>have been wiped that day.  

And if FSU hadn't scored all those points last year, Michigan would
have won then too!

C'mon Bill, lighten up.

Michael Nelson
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:51:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) wrote:
}
}We remember how the Ref's gave the game to ND.   I Remember a bad call, the
}re-play showed that Miami had a first down.  That gave Miami a first
}down on the one inch line.  One bad call, or Miami whould have had five NC's
}in nine years.

Okay Jason, but if you go and change the calls in that game you'll have
to revisit the 1989 Sugar Bowl and give Alabama the two missed fumble
calls.  Who wins that game then and who is left as National Champ?

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Heisman Criteria
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:32:20 GMT

Al Sorhaindo writes:

>1)  Position, must be a RB, WR, or QB.

Pare that list down (or at least write WR in smaller letters) since only twice 
has the award gone to a WR (Tim Brown and Desmond Howard.)  The only other 
non-RB/QB player to win was Leon Hart who played Tight End.

>Nothing. It should be abolished because it emphasizes individualism
>in a team sport.

Jon-a-THON!  Jon-a-THON!

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- The Ohio State University --------- a tree and I knew that I had survived ---
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OSU woofing enclosed
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:26:04 GMT
	<1992Sep1.100605.3844@desire.wright.edu>
	<BILLMS.92Sep1132307@z.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Sep2.131313.1@pa621a.inland.com>
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Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


>>  Can't remember the last time that UM had a head coach that hadn't
>>  come through OHIO STATE either.  Must have been before Bo.

Eh?  Bo was Woody's assistant at Miami of Ohio, but did he ever have
anything to with OSU (besides bringing in opposing teams?).

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
          Did you use yew boughs to make the bows to shoot the ewes?

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:33:59 GMT

>:^)
>
>: BTW, what the heck does "Gig 'Em" mean?  "Hook 'em" is pretty obvious.
>
>You know, agriculture -> aggies -> farmers -> pitch forks -> gig 'em.
>
>(Yeah, I'll admit its a reach...)

wrong path...  Horned *FROGS* -> old rivalry -> gig the frogs -> gig 'em.
the term gig'em comes from the rivalry with TCU, there is a story behind
it.  When I move my stuff down here from College Station, I will try and
locate my Enroll and post the story...

>
>: Why does A&M get such a bad rap from other schools in this state?
>
>Wannabees.
or hasbeens...   ;-)

cmuck
>


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From: brook@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Brookover))
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:01:03 GMT


>Personally, I think that A&M had better start worrying about their next
>real team on their schedule (whoever that is, taking the SWC into
>account, and perhaps find a quarterback who can hit a pass while in the
>pocket.  It's great how Granger came back in the second half and was hitting
>his passes on the run, but in order to be effective, he's got to be a more
>consistent pocket passer from what I've seen of him.

>Steve.
>(University of Michigan '92)
>
I agree that A&M needs to find a QB that can throw a football in the pocket. 
During the Pigskin Classic, I don't think Granger threw one ball with his feet
planted.  However, the main problem is that the offensive line was terrible. 
They couldn't pass block or run block.  If they don't imporve over the next
week, LSU will make them pay.

Let's not forget the old saying though...

"Offense sells tickets...Defense wins games!"

I wouldn't trade the A&M linebackers just yet.

mgb
From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OSU woofing enclosed
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:22:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Sep3.152232.26226
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <19425@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>>>  Can't remember the last time that UM had a head coach that hadn't
>>>  come through OHIO STATE either.  Must have been before Bo.
>
>Eh?  Bo was Woody's assistant at Miami of Ohio, but did he ever have
>anything to with OSU (besides bringing in opposing teams?).
>

My OSU media guide lists a "Glenn" Schembechler as an assistant between
1958 and 1962.  Is Bo = Glenn ?

david
From: nolen@gandalf2.Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Nolen [TI])
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Baylor vs LA Tech (was Re: Palmetto Football)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 01:44:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf2
Keywords: Texas (state) Football

In article <BtxI18.Mso@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
>
>(I'll volunteer to report on the Tech-Baylor game, if its any help).
>
Please, please, please do such a report. Being stuck out here on the
left coast, I don`t get any news on my beloved Baylor Bears, so any bit
of info. would be greatly appreciated.

In addition, I wonder if anyone of you Texans could do some kind of weekly
review/preview of SWC happenings, much like this "Palmetto Football" report.
I know many consider it the "So What Conference," but for those of us raised
in the great Lone Star State, it is a passion.

I don't mind all the clatter about TAMU or UT, but I would be most gratefull
for news on the conference as a whole (and Baylor in particular).

>-- 
>Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
>
> "I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
>  reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use."  - Galileo

--
Mark Nolen

Baylor `88 --> Sic `em Bears !!!
Duke `91   --> Go Blue Devils !!!
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Shameless OSU woofing enclosed
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:54:29 GMT

In article <BILLMS.92Sep1132307@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>
>   > 11/21:	 9:00am		ABC	Michigan at Ohio State
>
>	   OSU 34, That team from up north, 0.  In the rain.  Missedagain coughs it
>   up five times.                                                       
>
>Can't tell time, and can't remember the last time OSU won either. 
 
 
   Hey, that's not nice *-).  We are only lossing to you for a few years to
prove Ed Jennings, the former OSU president made a wrong move by firing Bruce.
 
   And btw, I was there in that cold day in Ann Arbor when we beat you, only 
a short five years ago *-)
 

>
>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
>	Bill Mangione-Smith
>	billms@eecs.umich.edu

 Joe
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: (Longmont, CO) Trojan News, vol. 1
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:44:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Longmont High School, Longmont CO


The real Trojans open their season this Saturday at home, hosting the
Overland Trailblazers at Montgomery Field.  Longmont is the 3-time
defending 5A state champ and will try to extend its 41-game winning
streak, 1 shy of Limon's state record.  Last year, they were widely
considered the equal of all but the top 1 or 2 6A teams in Colorado.
The Trojans, however, are currently ranked just #4 in the state's 5A
class by the Denver Post/KCNC poll.  Overland is currently ranked #7
among the state's 6A teams.

The University of Colorado has two players from Longmont on its team,
Sr. LB Greg Biekert and So. OG Clint Moore, and one player from
Overland, Fr. FL T.J. Cunningham.

Fight On!
-- 
Valdis Rodgers				valdis@longmont.edu
GO TROJANS!  BEAT THE TRAILBLAZERS!
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bama in the polls
Keywords: nn
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:42:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amoco Production

>>ouch!  the first thing that comes to mind is a really hick dude with no 
>>teeth and a shotgun saying, "bend over that log boy."  Is that what the
>>programmer looked like?
>
>I'll infer some smilies here, cmuck. If you did not intend them, I'm at
>a loss about what to do. Apparantly you're from Texas, so I cannot add
>to your pain.

Actually from the Pensacola area...  Those northern Florida, Southern
Alabama types do a good job of fitting this role...  :-)

>Bill Jones
>Huntsville, AL
>billj@beowulf.b11.ingr.com
>
>

cmuck
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From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
Subject: A heapin' helpin' of crow, or is it Hawkeye??
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:56:01 GMT

Dear Sir:

        In a recent post of yours on R.S.F.C. you had the balls to
say:


>Well, Njan, ill take it even further. Iowa is a big time program, whereas
>NCSU is an Acc upstart. When was the last time an NCSU regular season game
>was on national television? I think NCSU will be much much more freaked out
>by the situation than Iowa.

>Iowa by 27, maybe more.

>Remember when Virginia was an upstart team, bursting with optimism, and 
>playing Notre Dame in the KC? That was the most lopsided game Id ever seen.
>While I think the difference in talent between the two schools is not as
>great as it was in 1989, the situation will be similar, and Iowa will win
>handily.

>-rob


Would you like a fork or a spoon to eat these bullshit words with??!!

As we all could see, NCSU was hardly "freaked out" as you say by the situation.
Whether you know it or not, the Pack played twice last year on national TV. Onceagainst Clemson and once in the Peach Bowl.

For Iowa to be such a "big time program" as you say, NCSU sure did control the
line of scrimmage. Twice Iowa had us backed up against our goaline and we
punched it out of danger.

"Iowa by 27"???????? Seems like you were about 37 points off pal! Did you reallythink that Iowa had that much more talent and would win "handily"??

Maybe now you and the other netters will learn what we State fans have been
saying all along. While we are hardly a Miami or Fla. St., we ARE a team to be
reckoned with. Hopefully you have learned this lesson. I saved this post as soonas I read it just so I could e-mail your bullshit back to you.


Enjoy your lunch of fried crow, you have a lot to eat!!!!!

The Wolfpacker
From: jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Penn State update <more bad news>
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:10:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Sep1.215935.16731@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randy M. Rohrer) writes:
>
>>I have no such reservations.  The 2 players were arrested for
>>looting their classmates dormitories.
>
>
>	They are suspended indefinitely pending legal outcome.
>	Read "they are gone"

	According to the Washington, Pa Observer, the players did practice
after the initial arrest.  They were later suspended when the media caught
hold.

>
>	This was a minor incident during the summer
>arts festival in State College, PA. A friend who
>lives in State College has told me that this incident
>was "blown" way out of proportion. It never should have been
>reported and wouldn't have been if it was someone other than
>Joe's players. Not an excuse, just not a big deal.

	You imply, well if the press doesn't find out.. who cares?
Only in Nitwit Valley...

>
>	I believe that Joe Paterno continues to send a strong
>consistent message that such things will not be tolerated.

	The problem here, is ol' Joe gets up on his soap box (his book from
a couple years ago) and says that college football is going to hell because
of the likes of Jackie Sherrill, Barry Switzer, and Jimmy Johnson.

	Now this.  Since he's a historic landmark - leave him alone.  Sorry,
you make statements like the one above, you'd better be able to take the
heat when it comes your way.  As it will inevitably when you recruit street
brothers from Jersey and bring them to whitey haven PA.



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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Ditka 143, A&M 0 (was: Re: A&M vs. Stanford)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:51:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:

>In article <10465@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:

>4) Bill Walsh will beat Texas A&M by three touchdowns.
>   It is not clear if he meant Stanford will defeat A&M by three TDs, or
>   if Bill Walsh will do so alone.

Now, I agree that Bill Walsh could probably play A&M alone and
do like OK.   But if ya put Ditka in there, den it wouldda been
a slaughter.  


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