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From: lowen@lorc.eskimo.com (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 08:06:26 -0500
Organization: LORC Enterprises

In <1992Dec17.182450.1515@gallant.apple.com> cheryl@gallant.apple.com (Cheryl Lins) writes:
>In article <9212162327.54@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>When the Mac ships with a real command line shell, then maybe some people
>>will look on it more favorably.

>Ha-ha-ha!!! You make a funny, no?

>Only those brought up on dinosaur derived systems and mentalities. And i'm so
>very certain that Mom and Pop want to be programmers (even in the very limited
>form of writing shell commands). But that's a discussion best suited for the
>'famous flame wars' thread (GUI vs command line). And I have better things to
>do than spend time trying to convince you otherwise or start a new flame war.

I hate that mentality.  My (admittedly limited) intelligence is insulted by not
having a CLI *available*.  Note that Rick said *some people*, obviously referring
to people who *do* want to program on the beast.

Note that I am using a GUI here at lorc to read news, but a CLI to get real work
done.  Yes, lorc is a Windows machine.  Big deal.

I would rather type commands any day to do certain work I do.  Then again, for
doing graphical work, and certain other operations, a GUI is fine.  But, my point
is this: I like the *availability* of a CLI inside my GUI.  It's the Mac's 
insistence on GUI-all-the-way-with-absolutely-never-ever-any-CLI mentality that
stinks.  I like Pro-Choice computing!



>-- 
>Cheryl Lins    Oberon Paladin and Princess-in-training   lins@apple.com
>"We are the guardians of Freedom!" -- Ministry

-- 

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant          | If there were a tax on syn,
GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC | we'd all be broke.
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My opinions are not those of GE and do not reflect GE policy in any way.
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Pgm to calculate pi (56 secs on 486/33 46 secs on Amiga 4000)
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:49:18 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

For non-amiga systems, just replace all the AllocMem and FreeMem calls
with malloc/free's and make sure you zero out the mem blocks allocated.
forget about the #ifdef XXX stuff, and the amiga specific includes.
You can replace the __inline with whatever your compiler uses for inlining
functions, usually inline.

It is NOT amiga optimized, I just used some Amiga mem alloc/mem free calls.

-Roger
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From: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
Subject: Famous Flame Wars Archive?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 04:53:17 GMT

Have the earlier discussions on famous flame wars been archived
anywhere or can someone make the files available to me? I have
been doing some research on the history of the Arpanet and Usenet
News and sadly missed the earlier discussion. I would like to be
able to see the earlier discussion that took place.

	Thanks,
	-Michael


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From: samuel@front.se
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: PI
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:01:40 GMT
Organization: Samuel Gustaf Siren

In article <1hof98INNalp@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, john@gu.uwa.edu.au (John West) 
writes:

> The decimal expansion of the number SUM(10^-(n!)) is infinite, non-repeating,
> and all that. The number isn't the square root of any rational (as far as I
> know. If it is, I'm sure someone can find some other number that isn't), or 
> anything like that. In other words, its a lot like PI.
> I know I haven't done very much statistics, but I'm pretty sure you're not
> going to find even 3 consecutive 7s in it.

Neat, very neat. But I have one major objection :

    The decimals appear in a highly systematic and predictable fashion, which
    is not the case with PI !

But I must admit that it is a very nice example !!!
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From: allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.math
Subject: Re: Alephs (Was Re: Number of numbers)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 07:51:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: torment.ugcs.caltech.edu

samuel@front.se writes:

>As I understand what Magnus is writing, one can actually construct a set 
>theory where Aleph-0 < Aleph-1 < C.
Yes.
>(Sorry if I'm sloppy with the terminology again !).
No, that's fine, except I'd recommend Aleph_0 rather than Aleph-0.

> 1. Is it possible to constuct set theories where 
>     A. Aleph-0 < Aleph-1 < Aleph-2 < Aleph-3 < ... < Aleph-oo < C    ?
>     B. Aleph-0 < Aleph-1 < Aleph-2 < Aleph-3 < ... < Aleph-oo = C    ?
>     C. Aleph-0 < Aleph-1 < Aleph-2 < Aleph-3 < ... < Aleph-K  = C    ?

If by oo you mean the ordinal omega (the order-type of the naturals),
then 1A is true but 1B is false! In fact, you can get 2^{Aleph_0} to be
any uncountable cardinal you like _other_ than Aleph_omega. (It has bad
"cofinality" which I don't remember enough about to explain.)

>    Maybe this is a totally irrelevant question (Can 'cardinalities' be used
>    as indices ?)

Use ordinals, not cardinals. I like P.T.Johnstone's "Notes on Logic and
Set Theory", myself.						Allen K.
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From: dogo@pcuf.fi (Mikko Rantanen)
Subject: HP 250
Organization: The PC-users of Finland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:43:57 GMT

Since all the wisdom seems to lie here, and no reasonable HP-group seems
to available to me, I have decided to dare to ask here one or two
questions.
 
 First, has anybody experience in HP's model 250/30, especially it's
operating system (presumably) called OS B.09 (or .08 or .07 or..).
 
 If so, I'd be very grateful if somebody would point me out where 
to get this forementioned operating system from, since few months
ago I managed to acquire one of these machines and now I'm stuck 
with it since the local HP branch says that the machine is too obsolete;
they don't have anything for it. Quite strange, on my opinion, especially
when you remember that this machine is not more than 8 years old.
 
In case somebody bothers to reply, I can reached at
dogo@purkki.apu.fi
 
Sig? What is it?
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From: kogoma@vesta.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:37:39 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Dec16.235540.13683@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:
>In article <Bz871J.9Au@NeoSoft.com>, peter@NeoSoft (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.200339.24848@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>>> In article <Bz3zJI.B0o@sci.kun.nl> hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:
>>> >It started much earlier, as a flame war, but in 300 B.C. someone pulled the
>>> >plug on the Usenet link between Greece and Turkey, hoping that that would
>>> >stop the flames coming in.  It didn't work out quite the way he expected.
>>
>>> Who was in tthe Backbone Cabal then?
>>
>>Well, the main backbone was between olympus.org (the sysop was a hothead named
>>Haephestus, but Zeus pulled all the strings) and athens.gov, with a sandalnet
>>connection to sparta.mil. The connection to troy.gov was handled by bulk mail.
>>The big flame war got started when paris@athens.gov was running the vote for
>>the golden.apple group, but the real argument got started when Meneleus
>>accused achilles@troy.gov of stealing the vote, or the winner, or something...
>>the details are kind of muddy. We don't even know if one of the main players
>>was helen@troy.gov or helen@athens.gov, but we do know she could handle 1000
>>MIPS.
>
>That's paris@troy.gov, menelaus@sparta.mil, achilles@tiryns.gov (I think),
>agamemnon@mycenae.gov, and helen@sparta.mil/@troy.gov.
>
>Side argument was between Achilles and Agamemnon, caused by apollo@olympus.org.

So where does T. Usenet Oracle fit into this? ;-)

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  kogoma@vesta.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: IBM 3270PC (Was: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 01:14:10 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97

azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine) writes:

> Can someone explain to me the IBM PC model number 3270? Ive only seen

> about all it seemed to me was either a PC or an XT, with all the 
> standard options...

the 3270 came with a not-quite-standard video interface, a off-the-wall
mainframe-compatible keyboard, and a dos-compatible environment/operating
system (I'm not fuzzy on the definitions, I'm just not sure what it really
was - you'd boot up in dos and then reboot under this software) that
allowed you to run a dos session at the same time as a whole slew of
mainframe sessions (where I used to work, they were usually set up as
two VM/MVS/TSO, and a few notepads, and something else)

the first thing users complained about when they moved to a 286 box was
that they couldn't keep printing when they hot-keyed over to the resident
mainframe software, so I'm pretty sure it was a multitasking job.  and
I'm being generous when I claim it was `dos-compatible'.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
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Subject: Re: Old Disney Films, was Re: Apple II Games
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:24:48 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <Bznvu8.61@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com writes:
>souva@aibn58.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Ignatios Souvatzis) writes:
>>   In article <ByJJ0s.MKH@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com
>>   (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>>   >money on before they had video games.  (And even after - I never found a
>>   >video game I liked as much as a good Williams pinball machine.)
>>Hm... you don't happen to know the pinball game program running on
>>TRS-80 Model 1, loaded from the cassette player? One of the best
>
>No - but I used to play "Raster Blaster" on the Apple II when I ran out of
>quarters.  Definitely inspired by Williams pinball machines - fast, light
>action on the flippers.  Too bad you couldn't knudge it, though.


Raster Blaster was good, but the best Apple II pinball game was Midnight
Mission from Sublogic, creators of Flight Simulator.  You could use the
space bar to give it a "nudge".  And it had a built in editor that allowed
editing all the game parameters.
-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	merk!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Is 4004 the first microprocessor ?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.110943.610@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mohan@tulip.cse.utoledo.edu (Mohan Pakkurti) writes:
> Is the Intel 4004 the first microprocessor ?

"Unfortunately, the size and cost of even the smallest minicomputer has
 limited its use to relatively large and costly systems.  This has
 resulted in many smaller systems being implemented with complicated
 random logic.  INTEL NOW OFFERS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. . . THE MCS-4
 MICRO COMPUTER SET"

	- MCS-4 MICROCOMPUTER SET USERS MANUAL
	  March 74
	  Revision 5

	  INTEL CORPORATION
	  3065 Bowers Avenue
	  Santa Clara, California 95051
	  (408) 246-7501

Order yours today. :->
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:54:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.134957.15696@spatula.rent.com> azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine) writes:

>Can someone explain to me the IBM PC model number 3270? Ive only seen
>gutted cases with this designation on it, at a used computer store I
>used to work at (sad story, but they used to take hammers to such 
>wonders as PDP-8s, because they had no 'value'...). Anyways, this is
>stupid to me, as we all know that the 3270 was (or is), their most
>successful terminal.
>
>about all it seemed to me was either a PC or an XT, with all the 
>standard options...

It was essentially an original PC with two additions in hardware and
some software.  The hardware was a keyboard which was a bit ahead of
its time.  Esentially a 3270 keyboard of the newer variety with 24 function
keys across the top in two rows.  All of the 3270 terminals after the 3278
and 3279 used essentially the same keyboard,  and the PC/3270 had it
also.  The other hardware item was a 3278 card which coax attached to
an IBM controller (3274, 3174 etc).  The software was IBM's 3270 emulator
which used the 3278 card.  It was one of the few 3270-on-a-PC setups
which had the complete 3270 character set both on the keyboard and 
on the display.  The not sign for example.

A friend of mine has one on her desk in everyday use.
-- 
Rich Greenberg      Work: rmg50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com   310-417-8999
N6LRT               Play: richg@hatch.socal.com       310-649-0238
What?   Me speak for Amdahl?  Surely you jest....
From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Date: 22 Dec 92 10:28:29 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <9212162327.54@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>When the Mac ships with a real command line shell, then maybe some people
>will look on it more favorably.

	Macintoshes are shipping with TWO command line shells; one
with Unix (A/UX) and the other with MPW (Macintosh Programmer's Workshop).
Neither command line shell has had any effect on 'some people',
that I can perceive.

	And most Macintosh users don't see any great merit in the
command line idea, anyway.  Why should they?

	John Whitmore
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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Library of Congress as a size metric
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:19:06 GMT

In article <C07q2w.D59@chinet.chi.il.us> koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz) writes:
>While trying to keep the brain cells humming on such a lovely day off, I
>was contemplating really really large amounts of data, the whole mega/giga/
>tera/peta/exa progression from TNHD springing to mind.  

>At times, I've seen various groups use the amount of data in the Library
>of Congress as a measure of how much data can be stored in a medium
>(i.e. x CD-ROMS can store the Library of Congress).  Encyclopedia Britannica
>also comes to mind as a metric.  

>Question: What is the accepted figure for the size of the L of C?  Are we
>talking terabytes?  Magnitudes greater?  Who actually computed it and why?
>Same for the EB...  any ideas?  I'm just being curious here...

I read an article recently - and I do NOT remember where or when - that
was discussing such things as data transfer rates and capacity.

It compared local libraries, university libraries, and the library of
congress - and computed the data transfer times, and storage capacity
of each.

Rates went from low speed modem to T4 and the quantity of CD-ROMS
needed to archive this material

At fastest rates the smaller libraries could be transfered in fractions
of a second and stored on a few CD-ROMS.  The library of congres figure
was something like 18,000 CD-ROMS.  That figures out to 9000 terabytes
or 9 petabytes.

Anyone else remember reading the article - it was in the past 8 weeks
or so in some computer related magazine - and I get about 15/month!

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill@bilver.uucp
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued Dec 1992
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:00:10 GMT

In article <19184@mindlink.bc.ca> Daryl_Spitzer@mindlink.bc.ca (Daryl Spitzer) writes:

>It sounds like Apple has done something right.  Making a computer easy enough
>to be used by the average layman isn't wimpy, it should be the goal of all of
>us.

I totally disagree that this is the purpose of a computer or a goal of *any*
of us.  Applications some dipstick can use is one thing, but making *our*
task of using the computer for the *process of creating* the means for the
dipsticks of this world to use their applications is a totally different
matter.  I profoundly wish that various groups would stop "helping" me in
the creative process.

cj "probably more productive as a programmer with a card punch than with a
GUI" l (but prefer a CLI and an editor!)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: IBMs true monsters?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 17:35:51 GMT
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Kingston, NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson) writes:
: In article <1992Dec29.030842.31639@watson.ibm.com> mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
: >tspencer@pilot.njin.net (Thomas Spencer IV) writes:
: >:    It is VM that creates the Virtual Machines.  You can then run
: >: another OS in each of the virtual machines, either another VM, or a
: >: CMS session, or even AIX/370 (Non-native Unix for 360 and 370 arch. 
: >Naaah, AIX/370 is obsolete. We now have AIX/ESA, which is OSF/1 based and
: >runs either native or under VM.
: 
: I was given a short demo of AIX/ESA by some people from one of the
: Swedish supercomputer centres, who were down in Lund to sell their
: services. I must say I was impressed by the transparency of it all;
: this guy logged in on a local Sun running X windows, telnetted to a
: 3090 in the other end of the country, and proceeded to start a remote
: X session. (Now, why anybody would want to run X on a 3090 is beyond
: me, but it worked). Nowhere did the peculiarities of the IBM
: architecture show up, but the 3090 behaved just as any other Unix
: system, with a normal Unix filesystem and everything.

Glad you liked it. :-) Why not run X clients on a 3090? Admittedly, the idea
of running an X *server* on a 3090 seems a bit odd, but it sounds like your
demo was using the Sun as the server, no? I'm logged into our AIX/ESA system
here using a PS/2 (running AIX), running xterms from the 3090 to the PS/2
server. 
AIX/ESA is basically an OSF/1 system. POSIX, BSD file system, sockets,
TCP/IP, all the usual good stuff. I've been very pleased at how easy it's
been to port software from the net to it. The stuff we have running here
includes rn, tin, xrn, xmille, emacs, and less. All of it has been at most a
matter of figuring out what flags to specify.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is
the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal,
and execution is carried out automatically and without mercy.
	- Lazarus Long
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From: god@cmcoa.uucp (0000-Admin(0000))
Subject: Re: using /bin/ed (Was Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?)
Organization: Chillicothe Metal Co., Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:37:46 GMT

In article <BzKEIz.GJD@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

[...]

>So what do they do when the system is sufficiently hosed that VI and EMACS
>won't work? (like, no /etc/termcap and emacs startup files because they've
>lost parts of /etc...) 'ed' works so long as you have '/bin/ed'. I'm used
>to having "vi" in /bin, and still having to use it in "ex" mode.

I'm probably being ignorant, but if my system was that hosed, I'd
probably be reaching for 'cpio', not 'ed'.

>Not to mention that most systems I've used haven't had enough disk space in
>root to hold Emacs.

Hmm.  The Emacs binary is only 583K on my i386-svr4, and it runs just
fine on its own.  Comparatively crippled, but still a fine editor
(IMHO).


Patrick Cofield, System-administrating Martinet and Code Grinder,
Nowhere Interesting, Inc., located in the heart of beautiful downtown
Boondocks, Illinois                              uunet!cmcoa!god
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: CLI/GUI wars (was Re: Apple IIGS being discontinued...)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 10:14:38 GMT

> Christopher A. Wolf writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1993Jan1.230350.22504@mail.cornell.edu>
> Posted: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:03:50
>
> Org.  : none
>
> > Amiga
> >
> > CLI: Looked pretty DOS-like to me.  AREXX helps.
>
> If you considered the Amiga CLI DOS-like I don't think you could have
> spent too much time using it.  (not a flame - just an observation)
> Also, I assume we are talking about the AmigaDOS Shell not the CLI
> per se.  IMO, its much more Unix-like than DOS-like - has support for
> IO redirection, pipes, editable command lines and command history,
> 32 character mixed case filenames, ability to launch/control background
> processes, etc.  none of which (to my knowledge) MS-DOS can claim.


DOS supports IO redirection, pipes and in DOS 5 you can even install a pretty
kludgy command-history utility.  The great shareware command interpreter
replacement, 4DOS, adds command-line editing and much more. (Funny how almost
all of DOS really needs to be replaced before it can offer much
functionality. And Microsoft makes wads of money from this???)

For 32-char mixed case filenames and launching background processes you need
OS/2.  It *IS* nice to have these and other conveniences that Mac and Amiga
owners have enjoyed for years in an OS that supports the largest software
library (DOS+Windows+OS/2) in the world.

One other point about GUI's--- one of the neatest features I have found in
OS/2 is present in the Amiga GUI, most Unix GUIs, NeXT and (I believe) even
the Atari ST but surprisingly not the Mac or Windoze.  This is the small but
incredibly useful feature of a SLIDING SCROLL BAR.  This allows you to see at
a glance how long a document is and how much of that document is visible in
the window.  Why Mac and Windoze don't support it is one of the great
mysteries of nature.




--
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mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
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