From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Living In An Alternate Universe, 'Brian?' Myth And Reality.
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:27:00 GMT


<brian.702858372@coombs>
brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian)

>	Turkey, a "democracy"?  

Are you living in an alternate universe? The Republic of Turkey is 
a democratic, secular and social State governed by the rule of law; 
bearing in mind the concepts of public peace, national solidarity and 
justice; respecting human rights; loyal to the nationalism of Ataturk, 
and based on the fundamental tenets set forth in the Preamble of the 
Constitution.

>I wonder, do you know exactly how much
>democracy the Kurds have been allowed to have in Turkey for the last 60 years?

That is the result of watching CNN too much. And if you as a 
'spiritual humanist' abound with so much ignorance, what about 
lesser mortals? As a human, you should be more concerned with the 
death toll of innocent Turkish and Kurdish women and children than 
those who used unprovoked aggression to rape and pillage a neighbor.

When the borders of the new Turkish state were drawn up at the
start of the Turkish Independence War (1919-1923) the Kurds
were asked whether they considered themselves part of the 
ultimate Turkish homeland. At a time when the victors of the
First World War were planning to give a large part of Eastern
Anatolia to a Kurdish state, just for the heck of breaking
up Ottoman lands, the Kurds did not want to form their own
state, but made common cause with the Turks with whom they
have been living together for centuries. After almost 70
years many of them have been fully integrated in the Turkish 
society and political life. The Foreign Minister of the new
government is one of them. 

The people of Turkiye want every citizen of the Turkish Republic 
to enjoy the benefits provided to them by the Constitution. That 
means everyone is a first class Turkish citizen, irrespective of 
their ethnic background. The fact that Septioglu and Zana are at 
the helm of the Parliament today proves that this system is functioning 
properly. Turkiye's citizens of Kurdish origin, along with other 
citizens who are living in Turkiye's southeastern regions, have been 
harassed by separatists for the past seven years. The people who were 
already being terrorized by the KGB's puppets were also subjected to 
repression of all kinds and thus were trapped between the state 
forces and the terrorists. 

No ethnic or religious group was given minority status in Lausanne 
Agreement except non-Muslims in Turkiye and Muslims in Greece, given 
the status on the basis of reciprocity. Also recognized were special 
rights which could be described as privileges. That was how the Greek 
and Jewish communities gained a 'minority' status. It seems that you 
have not had time to study the Lausanne Agreement. 

Read the Lausanne Agreement and the Turkish Constitution before
you drivel. What is clear is that when democracy works properly
and all Turks are treated like first class citizens, then the 
outcome can only make one proud.

>	I think if you actually went and did a little research you'd realise
>that armed insurrection is about the only avenue left to them WRT to being
>able to express their democratic desires for an independent Kurdistan.

Omy. Your above posting is littered with historically incorrect
statements, lies, exaggerations, and ill-formed conclusions. They
have all been discussed before on sct. Need I go on?

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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