HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From:  (slugg jello)
Subject: Re: Source for USENET archives of comp.sys.next
Reply-To: slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Organization: Mouthing Flowers
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:19:06 GMT

In article <1ifff2INNilq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)  
writes:
> 
> In article <1993Jan5.225844.17212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu  
(Michael McCulloch) writes:
> >P.S. What about the NeXT community having a fund drive for the Purdue 
> >archives so they can purchase more HD space? I'd contribute...
> 
> 
> Or maybe we all have to realize that archive sites have finite resources just
[]
> I think a lot of the archives' problems are caused by users who don't think
> about what they're doing before submitting.  The archive maintainers are
> volunteers who have many other responsibilities and can't be responsible for
> filtering out all the abuses that occur.
> -- 
Funny you should post this as I was about to post something to the effect that  
we need to find a solution.  Some developers rely to greater or lesser extent  
on the archives as a distribution media.  NeXT itself is in this category.

I have been very frustrated for several weeks as I have an app that I would  
like to sell, but cannot because I can't get it onto either sonata or orst.  I  
am not abusing anybody.  I have a legitimate (and stripped! ;) app which I  
think (hope) many would like to purchase (I'll announce it when it becomes  
possible for someone to obtain it).

Is there another site to which we can move (and posthaste start filling up ;)?

I agree that its about time to truly archive some of that old stuff.  There  
must be a precendent for this sort of problem on other far older sites.


-- 
Doug Kent
slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: Reading data from serial ports
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:46:47 GMT

In article <1if20rINNfjn@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes:
>
>Is there a way to read data in from the serial ports?  We have tried  
>something to the effect of
>
>cat /dev/ttya | od -c
>
>but we are not getting any results.  We need to grab all data comming in  
>via either serial port and the data is 8-bit (binary, thus the need to  
>pipe to od).  Can anyone tell me what we are doing wrong? Which of the  
>ttys would be best to use (ttya, ttyda, ttydfa, ttydfa)?

The best way would probably be to get one of the serial port objects.
To read the data from the port you basically send a readData: message
to the object and pass it a buffer...

BenaTong has an object called SerialSolutions.  I think it's $50, and
it looks easy to use (I have only seen the API - I have not used it).
It's probably worth checking it out.


andrew
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andrew@cubetech.com      | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come,
Andrew Loewenstern       |  lest we lose our now for a phantom of our
Cube Technologies, Inc.  |  own design." - Erendis
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From: steve@donald.tamu.edu (Steve Rikli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: X11R5: how to switch to NeXTStep
Date: 5 Jan 1993 01:23:38 GMT
Organization: College of Architecture, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.tamu.edu

In article <7255@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.015800.8597@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  
>kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung) writes:
>] In article <3044@ulysse.enst.fr> laroche@wayne.enst.fr (Jean Laroche ) writes:
>
>The new R5 version of Xnext does NOT yet have the NextStep switch in it.  There  
>is currently no way to go back and forth.  I am planning to take up where Paul  
>Poh left off on this--he told me it shouldnt be difficult.

Where might I find the R5 version of Xnext?  Archie is only finding X11R4-NeXT-2.0
distributions for me.

Is Xnext-R5 NS3.0 compatible?

cheers,
sr.
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|| steve@archone.tamu.edu  |||  Texas A&M University            ||
|| 409-845-3465            |||  College Station, TX  77843-3137 ||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: death@netcom.com (David Burrowes)
Subject: What was the name of the next cd rom of educational stuff?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:54:17 GMT

If you know what the proper name of the NeXT CD-ROM they made for
educational folks, could you just pop me a quick email with the name?
I'm trying  to get a copy, and need the exact title...

Thanks!

\dvaid john Burrowes

death@kira.net.netcom.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: G&M Book (was: S&G book...OOPS sorry 'bout that folks)
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:50:36 GMT

OOPS...Got the subject field mangled.  No more coffee for this
guy :-)

NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING
STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications
Simson L. Grafinkel and Mikael K. Mahoney
ISBN: 0-387-97884-4
      3-540-97884-4
to order call the pubisher (Springer Verlag)
at 1-800-SPRINGER

--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM/EIS Applications Group
Austin, Texas
rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: karuzis@wccf.mit.edu (GLENN HOLM)
Subject: Re: Adobe Collectors edition - NeXT?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: MIT - Whitaker College
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:41:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.093654.5945@urz.unibas.ch>, frank@ifi.unibas.ch writes...
>In article <30DEC199200553275@wccf.mit.edu>  writes:
>> I don't see Adobe Collectors Edition (collections of PS fills
>They *will* work on the NeXT, but you will have to do some renaming...
> 
>--
>Robert Frank                         tel. + (061) 321 99 67                 
>Institut fuer Informatik             fax  + (061) 321 99 15                 
>University of Basel, Switzerland                                            
>Mittlere Strasse 142      rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted)  
>CH-4056 Basel          X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch

That's what I understand from Adobe- they are sold through the usual Mac 
outlets and come as Mac format Adobe Illustrator files.  (you can get 
samples from Adobe's FaxBack at 415-968-7701, doc # 1058).

to use the patterns in Virtuoso, what i did is:
open the .ai file in Virtuoso (Collector's Ed. samples are in the
Illustrator /gallery files under patterns and arrows, and Virtuoso
reads and writes Illustrator format).
rubberband around the sample pattern you want (the medium-size
example with the repeating elements and clipping box)
ungroup multiple times
select and lock the clipping box
rubberband around again to select everything else
cut it
unlock the clipping box and select it
paste inside
copy to pasteboard
paste in in the Virtuoso tile fill inspector

this is necessary because Virtuoso fills can't have elements that 
are tiled already or are already EPS.  cutting and pasting them
between Illustrator and Virtuoso crashes Virtuoso.  and you want
to have only the repeating element parts inside the bounding box
copied to your pasteboard.  the arrows and borders can just be
dragged and dropped and sized.
------------------------------------------------------------------
|Glenn Holm                         Internet:karuzis@wccf.mit.edu|
|M.I.T Dept. of Brain + Cog. Sci.   This VAX doesn't do NeXTmail |
|Cambridge, MA 02139       "Real Neuroscientists don't do gels!" |
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From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Boston Computer Society NeXT Usergroup Meeting- January 5, 1993
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:38:43 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

Announcing Boston Computer Society NeXT Usergroup Meeting
Tuesday January 5, 7 PM
MIT Room 1-190, Boston

Hot Technologies Introduces:

Component Technology for Automatic Data Collection and Identification

Robert La Ferla of Hot Technologies will present their comprehensive
product line of component software and hardware for bar coding and
serial communications.  Highlights of the presentation include the
BarCodeKit and SerialPortKit object libraries and the BarCodeBox
peripheral.

Hot Technologies develops, markets and supports component software
and hardware that allows customers to construct automated solutions
for increased productivity.

*** Win a free copy of the SerialPortKit at the meeting ***

Group discussion, Q&A, Rumor of the Month, and more!
Note: Pencom is unable to meet with us in January.

Directions: Enter MIT via main entrance on Massachusetts Avenue.
Immediately turn right following large corridor through several
buildings to building 1. 1-190 is at the very end adjacent to
Memorial Drive.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mross@antigone.com
Subject: Re: CPU hog
Organization: Antigone Press, San Francisco, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:04:21 GMT

-- 
Michael Ross
Antigone Press, San Francisco, California
e-mail: mross@antigone.com
FAX: 1-415-431-3650
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: RLE Viewer for NS3.0?
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:09:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <8334@news.duke.edu> dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu writes:

>However, when it became time to view the RLE file under RLEViewer she 
>found that it wasn't recognized by NS3.0.

I was finally able to get the old thing up and running briefly long enough
to get in contact with Vince DeMarco who came through in a pinch.  Seems that
there were some changes made that screwed up the old version.  This is from
the change log in the new source code that Vince sent me.

	* Version 2.3.1 made IT work again under 3.0 the problem was in
	the displayImage method of Image.m, the bitsPerRow value passed
	to the NXBitMapImageRep should be 0 not xsize*8. Seems like NeXT
	broke this in 3.0 as it used to work under 2.X.

>So, has anybody heard of a version of RLEViewer that will run under 3.0?

The new version works quite nicely, but I'm not sure what Vince plans to
do with the patch as of yet.  He can be contacted at vince@whatnxt.cuc.ab.ca
if anybody's interested.

Peace
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From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT announces ports to RISC environments
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:43:22 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc.

In article <93006.003117U54876@uicvm.uic.edu>, U54876@uicvm.uic.edu wrote:
> 
>   Haven't read it myself, but I was relayed the information that Jobs was
> demoing a PowerPC NeXT box this week.  Also, SGI reports having been
> negotiating with NeXT for a port for two years.
> This information comes from the January 4th issue of Open Systems Today.
> 

I'd find that hard to believe seeing as key developers were rumored to get
prototype PowerPC boards just a coupld weeks ago.  Either NeXT has it's
porting strategy down pat (and will blow us away in '93 with a zillion
ports:) or it's just hot air.


.........................................................................
Paul Marcos                                                (415) 966-0873
Kaleida Labs, Inc.                                     marcos@kaleida.com
.........................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Any reviews of Garfinkel & Mahoney's book?
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:25:54 GMT

Michael B. Johnson writes
[a great review in favor of the book]

I sh 
ould have said this before, but also hearing from people who don't already know how to program for the NeXT would be valuable.  I
appreciate Michael B. Johnson's review, however I would also like to
know if there's anything missing in the book; something whose absence
is noticed by a beginner, but for an experienced NeXTSTEP programmer
would be something assumed or just known (and therefore not thought
about).

I assume that this book is aimed at beginners only because it doesn't
make much sense, to me, to talk to experts about how to program with
NeXTSTEP.

Thanks again,
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail welcome
ginner, but for an experienced NeXTSTEP programmer
would be something assumed or just known (and therefore not thought
about).

I assume that this book is aimed at
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: how to read next mail, inquiry.  The answer.
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:53:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In my original posting, I asked for advice on how to
make NeXTmail readable again after it had been received
by a regular unix machine.

My deepest gratitude and appreciation to all those nice
people who helped me out with this problem.  I am now a
happy receiver and reader of NeXTmail items!

The solution:
1) Save the body of the message, append it to your
   /usr/spool/mail/username file.  Go into the Mail.app.

or 
2) Copy the whole thing, including header and mail it
  to yourself with non-NeXTmail.  cat file > mail username.


3) Remove the header and change the .tar.###.stuff.attach
  phrase to filename.tar.Z.  Save it.  uudecode file.
  then zcat and untar the resulting files in that order.

It's so wonderful to belong to such a knowledgable and
caring community of intelligent persons!  Thanks to everyone
in netland who helped me out.

Regards,
Lily Liou
lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
NeXTmail welcome :-)
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Chicago NeXT Users Group (ChiNUG) - January 13 meeting
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:35:28 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

The January meeting of the Chicago NeXT Users Group (ChiNUG) will be
this Wednesday, January 13, at 7pm in room A310 of Northwestern
University's Technological Institute.

This month:

PasteUp from RightBrain
Questor and Graphity from Xanthus
Steve Jobs Video

Raffles for priceless objects!

For more info, contact Joe Yoon, ChiNUG coordinator 708-332-1340,
Email: onyx@nwu.edu
From: david_spitzler@next.com (David Spitzler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: The EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:15:56 GMT
Reply-To: david_spitzler@next.com

The EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards Program is
accepting entries for the 1993 competition.  The deadline for submissions
is February 26.  To request that an entry form be sent to you, send
e-mail to awards@cristal.umd.edu, or call 301/405-7534.

There are two categories in which submissions can be made:  the Product
Division, for original software designed to enhance student learning, and
the Curriculum Innovation Division, which focuses on the use of
technology by rewarding excellence in teaching with computers.  There is
no requirement that original software be developed by the submitter to
enter an application in the Curriculum Innovation category, just that the
computer be applied in ways that meet an important instructional need.
The innovation might be the creative classroom use of existing
commercial software packages; it might be the adaptation of existing
packages for educational use; or it might be built around new software
designed by the applicant.

Entries will be reviewed in the following disciplines, all of which are at
the undergraduate level except Law:

* Natural Sciences, which can include Astronomy, Atmospheric Science,
Biology, Botany, Ecology, Forestry, Genetics, Zoology, Chemistry, Geology,
or Physics;

* Humanities, including Area Studies, Communications, English
(Literature or Composition), Journalism, Foreign Languages, or
Philosophy;

* Engineering, including Aerospace, Chemical, Civil, Computer Science,
Electrical, Mechanical, or Nuclear;

* Mathematics, which can include Algebra, Calculus, Geometry, Statistics,
or other;

* Social Sciences, including Anthropology, Archaeology, Economics,
Geography, History, Political Science, Psychology, Sociology, Statistics  
or Research Methods; and

* Law (Graduate level), which can include any area of specialization.

--
David Spitzler
Manager, Higher Education Marketing
NeXT Computer, Inc.
900 Chesapeake Drive
Redwood City, CA 94063 USA
david_spitzler@next.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten)
Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ...
Reply-To: woo@ornl.gov
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:13:09 GMT

In article <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu  
(Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
> From San Francisco Chronicle Business Section B2, Jan 9, 93.
> 
> Co-Founder Resignes Post At Next Inc.
> 
(Stuff omittem)

I was contacted about this today (for some unknown reason) by John  
Verity (sp?) of Business Week.  They are preparing an article on NeXT's  
survivability based on this resignation and other rumours, I guess.  He  
was very interested in whether I knew of plans to make large purchases  
of NeXTs soon.  I mentioned some I knew of and, of course, touted the  
platform and software a great deal.  He was very interested in whether  
any developers had any inside info on NeXT plans (I'm clue-less).

- - - - - - - - -
J. W. Wooten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: pwm@csis.dit.csiro.au (Peter Milne)
Subject: Virtuoso Demo on the Edu Software sampler CD-ROM
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:00:21 GMT

I'm almost certain that at least once in the past I successfully ran the
demo version of Virtuoso off the Educational Software Sampler CD-ROM.
Last night I tried to fire it up again with the following result; a
Virtuoso miniwindow appears at the bottom of the screen for a few moments
then disappears and that's it.  No menu appears at all.  The system is okay,
I can click on the Workspace etc.

Has anyone else experienced this behaviour?  Is the demo set up to somehow
only run once?

Peter	(milne@csis.dit.csiro.au)

PS There were no grumbles on the console either.
From: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Operator)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NEXTSTEP 3.0 Demo questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:41:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision

hi!
A couple of questions aboud the demos:

1. Under 2.1, I had a Datebook and Movie demos, which seem to have been
   wiped out when I upgraded to 3.0.  Are these supposed to be there?
   or am I supposed to get them from the ftp sites?

2. Can the CD player Demo play an Audio CD thru' the NextStation built-in
   speakers?  I got the suggestion (from the help/info/manuals) that it
   should, but I can't actually get this to happen...

Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks.

Sandeep Kochhar
Computervision, MS 5-2            email: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com
14 Crosby Drive                   tel:   (617) 275-1800 x 4618          
Bedford, MA 01730                 fax:   (617) 275-8506
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: vhs@rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Subject: Re: how to read a (ie:'tar') floppy?!?
Reply-To: vhs@rhein-main.de
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:11:15 GMT

In article <1id1irINNmr8@anthrax.solbourne.com> hanzel@solbourne.com (Karl  
Hanzel) writes:
> Ok, i give up...
> 
> What's the secret to being able to stuff (just for example) a 'tar' floppy
> into a NeXT's drive and then to read it?  The scenario is this:  i'm here
> at work, and i write off a 'tar' floppy on a machine here.  I go home and  
plug
> it in my NeXT, only to be prompted "Floppy unreadable:  initialize or  
eject?:"
> by a dialog window.  It expects that any floppy you stick in it is supposed  
to
> be a mountable file system.

Simple. Issue the tar command first, before inserting the disk. You will
be prompted to insert the disk.

--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de), NeXTmail welcome

Looks good on the outside, but -
	intel inside
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Important Information About DFax
Keywords: Supra, Fax, DFax
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:43:27 GMT

As  promised  in an earlier post, today I called Total Systems 
Software to check on the status of the long-overdue DFax software, 
which is supposed to provide Send/Receive capabilities for NeXTs using
Supra v32 and v32bis data/Fax modems (as well as support features like 
"silent answer" and eventually voicemail).  

I got the famous "emily@tss.com" on the line, and after identifying 
myself and my mission she said, "Well, don't drop dead or anything..."
("Uh oh, here it comes," I thought, "they've gone belly up") "we're 
shipping."  

"You're what?"

"We're shipping.  The discs are here and when I leave this afternoon 
I'll be dropping a load off to go out. We expect to have all of the 
original orders out in the next 3 days." 

After all this time it was more than I could handle in a single sitting.
I asked her repeatedly if she was sure and she said up, down and sideways 
that she was (I then had her recheck my address and phone # just so some-
other poltergeist can't get in the way).  So..... I'm going to be camping
by the old mailbox for the next few days.  Will post a review of the soft-
ware once it arrives, by Emily says it does everything that was promised, 
(which means it's dynamite!) and all of the testers thus far have loved it.

Can it be that sometimes things do work out?

Hope this cheers up a few people out there  ---- tom

  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner)
Subject: Re: Info in Open Systems Today ( NeXTSTEP ports!! )
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:16:48 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:48:22 GMT, sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) said:

  Lee> Let's take HP's chip, just for example.  It seems to me that
  Lee> there are two ways NeXT could go.  (1) They could port
  Lee> Mach/NeXTstep to HP hardware, or (2) they could incorporate an
  Lee> HP cpu into NeXT hardware.

  Lee> Which is more likely?

According to the lead business story in today's New York Times
("Hewlett and Next Hold Talks"), both are quite possible. The article
said that HP and NeXT are looking into letting NeXT use HP's PA-RISC
chips, letting HP use NeXTSTEP, and allowing HP to purchase a share of
NeXT. It's unclear from the article where negotiations stand, but it
did say that an announcement could come as soon as this week.

Reuven

Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:23535 comp.sys.next.advocacy:3570
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:31:17 CST
From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: NeXT announces ports to RISC environments

Hello -

  Haven't read it myself, but I was relayed the information that Jobs was
demoing a PowerPC NeXT box this week.  Also, SGI reports having been
negotiating with NeXT for a port for two years.
This information comes from the January 4th issue of Open Systems Today.

__________
Tom Nawara
ideaLabs
U54876@uicvm.uic.edu