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From: camille@sco.COM (Camille Balkwill)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Sugarbush and surrounding area
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:38:08 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.


I am going down to Sugarbush on December 26th with a large group.
None of us have ever been before and we are interested in
suggestions on what we should do in our time off the hill.

I understand there is a lot in the area but we would also
be interested in side trips. Is it worth going to Stowe, Burlington?

Also any info on the skiing in the area would be greatly appreciated.
The group has a whole spectrum of skiers from novice to advanced,
would we all be happy at Mad River or is it more geared to 
advanced skiers. What about Sugarbush, is North better than 
South? Which one makes the best snow? Can you ski both North and South
in the same day?

How about rentals for the beginners, are there any good stores we should
go to, or should we just rent at the hill?

As you can see I don't know much about Sugarbush other than thats where
we are going. Any and all info will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help. 
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From: ocean!rosario (Rosario Perry)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb
Keywords: Blackcomb & Noise
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:21:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.152501.379@nntpserver.chevron.com>  
bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) writes:
> Has anyone stayed at the Blackcomb lodge?  What's it like?  Is night  
time noise
> a problem in that part of the Village?  We have 2 young (5 and 8) skiers  
who
> need their rest!
> 
> Beverly M. Zalan
> bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com

Blackcomb lodge is perfect for your children. Stay no where else. It's the  
best lodge aroung that area, and lift walkable. 
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From: pascoe@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Dave Pascoe)
Subject: New England ski condition numbers?
Organization: GTE/MSED - Needham Heights, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:40:25 GMT

Does anyone know of any good Boston or other New England area
telephone numbers for ski condition reports?
--
Dave Pascoe
pascoe@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com
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From: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Subject: Park City
Reply-To: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:53:41 GMT

I'll be heading out to Park City January 11-19, and was wondering about
any restaurants, night spots, and other resorts I should check out while
I'm there. We're almost definitely going to Alta and Snowbird. Any info
via e-mail would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Mike Halabuda
halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
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From: jsalmi@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Devner
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:41:45 GMT

In article <BzMvso.3A1@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
>Let's join some of the cities who are boycotting Colorado,
>in protest to their newly passwd, discriminatory law against
>gays.
>
>                                                            \===========&===


ok.  boycott colorado.  it'll leave more first tracks for me.  ski alta.

-- 
John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

    US West takes no responsibility for anything that I might say.  Ever.
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:22:51 GMT

I was one of the guys asking this question at the start of this thread,
as i had been using 170's and trying 180's for one morning did nothing 
more for me than help me fall _faster_ 8-). 

I received *resounding* advice from all you net.instructors to give the 180's
time, maybe try a different ski of that length.

I am tickled pink to say that the last three days in Snowshoe with a pair
of Dynastar 180's were neat, great, fantastic, wonderful - and now i can't 
wait to try 185's!!!!

Cupp Run - NO FEAR! QUIT SNIVELIN'!!

jim p.

-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:06:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec27.160036.4701@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <Bzrsy3.G8n@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>dork [east???] factor can be quite high. I put it on my skis last year
>after a semi-unhappy trip to Roundtop. Brand new skis,
>first time out on them EVER and a dork clips my tail,
>sending both of us spinning, but also leaving me with a
>nice slice on my brand new K2s to commemorate the event.

NNNNaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Actually, that is exactly the
reason I started to use it.  I can't speak for the west...but... YES!!!!!
[unfortunately] we have a high dork factor especially in the lift line. 

Mark [The boy from the east]
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From: birnbaum@cor5.pica.army.mil (Richard C. Birnbaum (GC-ACCURATE) <birnbaum>)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.games.pinball
Subject: Pinball in Vail
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:41:58 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Armament Research Dev. & Eng. Ctr, Dover NJ

Any suggestions on where to play pinball in Vail?
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From: mowbray@rod.mitre.org (Tom Mowbray)
Subject: alpine touring
Followup-To: mowbray@mitre.org
Keywords: alpine touring XC
Organization: self
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:32:51 GMT

Does anybody have any opinions about
"alpine touring" boots/bindings versus telemark boots/bindings?

Alpine touring uses general mountaineering style boots
  i.e. suitable for crampons/ice climbing, 
  and either Ramer bindings (loose heel)
  or lock-down bindings similar to alpine bindings.

I've heard that alpine touring is very popular in Europe,
and I used this equipment once in a ski mountaineering course.

Are they any U.S. suppliers for alpine touring equipment?
From: dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RECOMMENDATION FOR QUAD CHAIR INNOVATION Re: trip report from Taos, NM
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:33:16 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dwarren@couloir.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: couloir


In article <1992Dec21.221319.25593@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>>OK, I'm back from pre X-mas skiing in Taos, NM. Here's a short report:
...
>>The new quad is too short, it doesn't reach up into the steeps of the west
>>basin and therefore only serves blues and greens.

>Good!  Quads are the scourge of powder skiing.  No single invention
>has ruined more good ski slopes.

OK, But let's say we add some challenge to quad chair skiing so that
only the truly deserving get to ski the great powder....

	Set-up a quad chair that begins in a tranquil flat like say
	bottom of Brekenridge that wisks you on up the 10%
	slope at a low elevation.  Then the liftee looks up ahead 
	to the spot that appeared to be the lift termination
	which is in fact a warming hut passing below. At this point 
	the quad towers raise to 100'+ and continues up towards sheer 
	granite cliffs with small patches of snow clinging to the rock.

	As the quad victim.. er ah.. occupant peers over the summit
	he is *not* greeted with a long smooth perfectly groomed run-out
	with the lift gracefully comming to a near stop for easy
	de-chairing. But rather the velocity of the lift doubles.
	The skier (no longer a liftee as the as the seat bottom 
	pivots to 90% and dumps the occupant) now faces an array of 
	corni (is this plural for cornice?), chutes and cliffs 
	depending on wind other weather related factors. 

	From here the process of natural selection help to fairly
	determine who enjoys the beautiful powder tracked only
	by several rolling sitzmarks.


Doug 

All opinions, and typos expressed here are my own.

	






 	 
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From: prevelig@eastman1.mit.edu (Peter Prevelige)
Subject: Lake Louise, Lodging
Organization: Mass. Inst. of Tech., Dept. of Chemistry
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:56:52 GMT

I was wondering if anyone could make suggestions for condo type
lodging at Lake Louise in March.

Peter

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From: ede@porter.osf.org (Ted Ede)
Subject: Re: White Face
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:46:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.210446.10471@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> rpd@accolade.base.b>The bobsled run was great.  There's a fee to get on...just can't remember
>how much.  I went two years ago around February and at that time they had
>the freestyle tour (Moguls and aerials were the best to watch)

The price is kinda steep, but well worth it.  $3 gets you into the park to
watch.  climb the to the 1/2 mile point on the bobsled run and pay $25.
You get a pin though :-)  On a cold, clean track you can hit 50-55 mph.
I went a coupla days before Xmas.  it was snowing and we only hit about 
40pmh.  It was still a blast.

You supposedly hit about the same speed on the luge, which you ride alone.
I didn't have time to try it :-(


FYI:    Whiteface: 518 946 2223(main)  946 7171(recording)
        Mt Van Hovenburg: 518 523 4436 (bob)   2811(xc)  $3 admission
                        bob: tues-sun 1-3PM $25 
                        luge: tues-sun 1-3PM $10 
                        xc: $7 full day, $6 after 1p.m.

  Ted Ede -- ted@world.std.com -- on contract at the Open Software Foundation
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Asolo Snowdrifts
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 1 Jan 1993 18:38:42 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I am looking for a new pair of backcountry touring/telemarking boots.
They will be used primarily for touring, with some lift served skiing,
on a pair of old Elan REs. I am looking for a boot a bit stiffer than the
one I now use, and the Snowdrift felt good in the shop, but it seemed to
be too stiff in the sole, ie I'm not convinced I could get a good kick
from it. The sales geek said it would soften up, but quite frankly,
I don't trust him.

Can anyone confirm (or deny) the suitability of this boot for what I want to
do?

Thanks.
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From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:42:43 GMT

|> I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with here.  In the universe
|> where I live, an object on an inclined plane will undergo acceleration
|> that depends on the angle of the plane with respect to gravity.  If
|> the opposing forces are equal, the greater acceleration experienced on
|> a steeper slope will result in higher velocity.
|> 
|> The key words in my earlier statement are "as easily."  If you try to
|> ski a very steep slope at very low speeds, you must expend energy to
|> apply more frictional force to reduce the acceleration.  This is not
|> "as easy" as expending no energy to fight the acceleration, and simply
|> going the natural speed of the slope.

I was very practical about the issue : everyone seems to go slower on steep
slopes , admittedly expending greater energy.   In fact, in Killington my 
wife usually makes it quicker to the bottom  by  the 
roundabout Wildfire  and has a pleasure of watching me negotiate
the remaining chunk of much more direct Outer Limits :-). Makes me 
wonder ...

|> You're right.  Even if you slide down the slope on your back with your
|> skis in the air, I should not dare to say that you are skiing
|> improperly.  After, all skiing is an evolving art.
|> 
|> I (perhaps mistakenly) thought that we were interested in making
|> smooth, balanced, cleanly carved turns, rather than scraping down the
|> hill sideways.  I also assumed that efficiency was an admirable goal.
|> Even with these assumptions in place, I'll admit that there is still
|> plenty of room for stylistic variation.

Interestingly, a good friend of mine who has been skiing for over 20 years
now and never learned to ski properly , refuses  to carve or do any
accepted thing for that matter  for one reason : it TIRES him a lot. 
He goes down the hill -ANY hill- in  style that I can only describe as
crab-like, but  confidently, fast and safe ,in arrogant  defiance of any 
accepted ski dogma and my advice. He doesn't get tired much. However, each 
time he attempts to follow me through graceful arcs (I am a form freak, for 
those interested), his legs ache, his back aches, he is out of breath and 
falling ...  Observing him in Killington  a lot, I established that his ski 
style is absolutely adequate and legitimate on ice, hardpack, moguls, 
groomed.  I expect it to fall apart in powder, although  he says he had no 
trouble in CO ...

Sergei
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From: scotte@atlastele.com (Scott Elam)
Subject: Re: Volki P10
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:34:37 GMT

In article <BzMo9n.3En@csn.org> limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim) writes:
>In article <BzMJ2o.121@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
>>I was reading the FAQs about the Slalom and GS and
>>extreme skis. Does anyone know what Volki P10's 
>>category is?
>>
>Volkl's have a great deal of mystique surrounding them.  They're
>often thought of as the skis to compare all others against.
>They're very expensive (even on "pro-form" for those employed
>in the ski industry).  I skied them and they are nice skis, but
>I never thought they were the vaunted ski their reputation might
>suggest.  Just good, solid performers.  Ice grip as good as
>any and ran the gates in a very predictable, neutral manner.
>(To be fair, I've only extensively skied the P9's - the p10's
>predecessor, but I don't expect the basic "Volkl" character
>to have changed too drastically.)
>

I have a pair of P9 SL's and a pair of P10RS (as-well-as K2 Extreme
and Salomon 9000 Exp's).

The "mystique" is that they are formed from a block of very high
quality wood that _has the camber of the ski carved into it_.  Other
skiis are made by _pressing the wood into the desired camber_.  I
think this makes the ski very lively - they literally explode from
turns - and precise.  They also last and hold their camber much longer
than other skiis.

The VP19 Vario was retailing for about $750 and was $550 on the pro
form this year - bummer!
-- 
Dec 23 - Dec 26 @ Schweitzer		Scott Elam
Dec 31 - Jan  3 @ Mt Shasta		scotte@atlastele.com
Jan  4 - Jan 10 @ Mt Bachelor		HA! - Reports to follow...
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From: majidh@atlastele.com (Majid Hajari)
Subject: Need "MORE" info on skiing in Italy (Milan) 
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:50:58 GMT

In article <725182712snx@speedy.demon.co.uk> speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec23.183514.11192@atlastele.com> majidh@atlastele.com writes:
>
>>
>>I am going to Milan (Italy) in January for 3 weeks so I was wondering
>>if there are any good ski resort near by (couple hrs of driving or train).
>>
>>Any suggestions or recommendation will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>PS: I am an advance skier so I am looking for some challaging runs.
>>
>>
>>Majid
>>
>>
>>

	First, I like to thank everyone for their reponse.
	Second, I like some more recommendations on the following:
	1. What does the lift ticket cost?
	2. What is the best way to go to any of these ski resorts?
	3. I was planing to take my boots however I was not sure
	   if I really want to take the skies, specialy since
	   this is a business trip and I be skiing only 3 or 4 days.
	   So can I rent some "DEMO" skies and how much does it cost?
	4. I be staying in "Mini Hotel", has anyone heard of this hotel?
	   It sounds pretty fishy?


	Thanx again


	Majid

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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: backwards
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:30:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec24.004539.8347@sco.com> kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond) writes:
>
>Right on!  I *love* to ski backwards (is that why my friends call me
>a backwards kind of guy?).  You're on your way to learning "How the
>Bozos Ski", as outlined in the instant-classic by Wayne Trzyna.
>Skiing backwards is part of the natural progression towards attaining
>the propeller-like motion of your skis.

Yes, great idea: a chapter devoted to backwards skiing.

>In article <MERLYN.92Dec18100227@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>>
>>someone told me that backwards
>>skiing really wasn't that hard.  So I gave it a whirl.  And he was right!
>
>"gave it a whirl" - Jeez, Randal, you're a *natural* - you've even using
>the lingo! ;-)

When your whirl is followed by a THUD, you've mastered the technique.


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: lbrodsky@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Lloyd Brodsky)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Short-notice discounted ski trips by email
Keywords: skiing discount west
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:36:41 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

On the ski cost front, I've been dealing with a new company in 
Colorado called Rock Solid Fax Attractions that does short-notice
high discount deals. They say they've struck deals with several ski areas
to resell packages that aren't going to sell out, then sell or email out
a weekly list. The best deal I've seen so far was for 4 nights at
Crested Butte with lift tickets and air fare for $499. (They also do biggies
like Vail and Aspen for more money).

You can reach them at 303-770-2447 or 5488201@mcimail.com if you're 
interested.

-- 
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*  Univ CO Business School; Campus Box 165   Bitnet:  lbrodsky@cudenver *
*  P.O. Box 173364        Voice: 303-628-1265  Fax: 303-628-1299        *
*  Denver, Colorado 80217-3364, USA                                     *
From: jtyl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BJ)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Possible honeymoon suggestions...
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <28DEC199215000143@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, psburns@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS) writes...
>If we decide to get married, our ideal honeymoon would be a week or two of 
>skiing.  But where can one go in August, September, October?  Any 
>suggestions?  Europe?  Canada? 

Chile!

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From: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Cable binding modification for dual tension 
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
	<LAUNCE.92Dec17113932@medusa.med.utah.edu>
	<1992Dec18.220801.6599@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:32:47

In article <1992Dec18.220801.6599@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead) writes:
   I have a similar binding from Rottefella.  I have experimented with
   the cable, but have not noticed any improvement in downhill
   control, so I never use it.  Do you really notice the difference
   the cable makes?

Yes. Definitely.  The whole setup is torsionally stiffer than my
Rivas, and I can wrestle my K2's through bumps with a fair amount of
control.

Besides, it saves wear on the pin-holes of the boots. 

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From: trdavis@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Tracy R. Davis)
Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATION FOR QUAD CHAIR INNOVATION Re: trip report from Taos, NM
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:10:47 GMT


>In article <1992Dec21.221319.25593@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller) writes:
>>>OK, I'm back from pre X-mas skiing in Taos, NM. Here's a short report:
>...
>>>The new quad is too short, it doesn't reach up into the steeps of the west
>>>basin and therefore only serves blues and greens.

>>Good!  Quads are the scourge of powder skiing.  No single invention
>>has ruined more good ski slopes.

It looks to me like they put the new chair in the right place. I have heard manypeople mention the traffic problem on white feather trail. This lift should eliminate the traffic problem and decrease the lines on lifts 5 and 1. As if there
has ever been a long line at Taos compared to Vail, Copper, et al.  





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