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From: ray@eecs.nwu.edu (Jim Ray)
Subject: Re: distinctive ring router?
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:00:38 GMT

In article <syny.724043916@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> syny@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson) writes:
>As I've pondered and followed threads about how to have:
>
>	(1) incoming fax (given that remote doesn't always send tones), 
>	(2) incoming data
>    and (3) incoming voice to answering machine
>
>over the same line, it seems that the "distinctive ring" service may
>very well be the best way of getting all of these routed to the right
>device.

Sounds good to me.  How do you choose between fax and modem when you
have a fax/modem card operating on the same COM port?  Any help would
be gratefully appreciated.

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: camirkin@athena.mit.edu (Chad A Mirkin)
Subject: Intel Satisfation/400
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:40:18 GMT

Hi You All:
I am planning to buy a Intel Satisfation/400 for two reasons. One it has a
UART chip; two it seems to have received good reviews.
There is a 400/E which is an external modem without UART chip and the ability
to distinguish voice calls from fax signals
Reading this conference I hear so many people being less than satisfied 
with many fax-modems that I am having second thoughts about it.
I would appreciate hearing from anyone who owns this fax-modem. Also, is the
Intel software that comes with it, any good?
I understand there is a Canadian company marketing software where a regular
modem can receive and send faxes. Has anyone any info on this?
Thanks for any input.
-Mario Lazzarin
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: mailorder fax machines
Keywords: mail order
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:15:11 GMT
Distribution: usa

G'day,

I need a mailorder source for fax machines. Can anyone help?

One of the `problems' I'm having is that I have a single
line into the `office' and need it to handle voice,
an answer machine (4 rings then an announcement and a tone)
and incoming FAX automatically. Is there a reasonably price
machine/device that can handle this.

I've done a bit of investigation and am getting conflicting
information.

Dave Rogers
dfr@usna.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
From: ay@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Alec Yin)
Subject: Supra v.32bis hangs up the fax call...
Reply-To: ay@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Alec Yin)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:30:30 GMT

Hello,	
	This is yet another possible supra bugs.  The ROM for the modem
	in question is the J version. (With caller ID)   Recently, I 
	noticed some inconsistant behavior on my supra.   During the first
	few attempts, as soon as it connect with the remote fax machine, 
	it will retrain and of course, it just hangs there.   But does
	fax transmission allows/requires retrian?  Doing a atz reset, 
	the modem would connect just fine, but then, it just hangs up
	(the Off Hook led goes out!) in the middle of the transmission.
	playing around with different init script (at&f, at&f2) as well
	as other s register does not really help.  Maybe I am just doing
	something which is totally irrelevant, but after the few trials, 
	including switching off the modems, things start working flawlessly
	(knock on wood...)  At this point, I am quite clueless what was 
	happening because I am just unconciously poking around...  I am 
	therefore seeking help for all the superior out there...  Any 
	info/suggestion will be greatly appreciated and as usual, if there's
	any interest at all, I will summarize.  Oh, E-mail preferred since
	I might not get access to the net for next week.

	Thanks in advance.

							Alec
From: dace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Unix source for 9624 fax modem
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:44:55 GMT
Organization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: shrike.und.ac.za
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I am looking for software to drive a Phonic 9624 sr fax when I change my
platform from MS-DOS to Un*x next year.  If anyone can help that'd be great
The modem is V.22BIS, V.22, V.21, Bell 212A and 103 compatible, and uses the 
Hayes command set.

Thanks
From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Canon Bubble Jet fax have comp. intfc?
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:43:44 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Does anyone know if the Canon Bubble Jet plain paper fax is offered
with a computer interface (serial or parallel)? Please respond via
e-mail as I don't receive this group.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
Subject: Color faxing..
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: comp.dcom.fax
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:45:18 GMT

Are there any fax programs on the IBM or Macintosh that support color
faxing?

		Thanks in advance
				Richard
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: FAX-Software for OS/2 2.0
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:31:46 GMT

In article <23360@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de> lauer@mpi-sb.mpg.de writes:
> I' looking for Fax and Modem-Software which works under OS/2 2.0.
>  Can anyone help me
> 
> -thomas

You can get Bitfax for OS/2 from Bit Software in Fremont California for US$99.
 
There is also PMfax (now called FAXWorks, I think). Both of these were written
by Keller Group - though they have different functionality in some respects
(from what I can gather).
 
I have Bitfax for OS/2 and i am happy with it. It is comparable to Winfax Pro
- and better in smoe ways. It is a Presentation Manager WYSIWYG program. You
can create/edit and - via the clipboard - import and export other graphical
images for inclusion in your faxes. You print direct from applications with
the use of a "printer driver" set-up like Winfax Pro. It works best with OS/2
applications (like the DeScribe word processor - which I like). But you can
also fax from Windows programs or DOS programs as long as you chose the print
option and make the fax printer the default printer.
 
I think the company who FAXWorks is called SoftNet......I don't know hwere
they are. Ask in the OS/2 newsgroups (comp.os.os2.apps would be best).
 
There are several other fax programs for OS/2, but they are quite
expensive.....and no better than these two. There is a third one on the "mass"
market...but I can't recall it's name. Part of problem was that they all tried
to be PMfax or FAXPM or some variation....then they all renamed themselves and
now i have lost track of what they are currently called.

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey)
Subject: Re: distinctive ring router? 
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:22:21 GMT

nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.175656.7681@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us writes:

>   syny@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson) writes:

>   >So, does anyone sell an automatic A/B/C type device that will switch
>   >the call to different phone cables based on the distinctive ring?
>   >Should be a fairly simple electronic device to build, I would think.

>   Yeah, someone DID once.

>Actually, lots of people make them now.  It was very recently
>discussed on comp.dcom.telecom.

>   We have a patent for all the good it does us.

>Oh really?  Perhaps some or all of these other companies that make them
>are violating your patent?  It's worth checking out...

There are two approaches to the problem.  One is the A/B/C switch that
routes the ring to the appropriate outlet.  The other is to make a
filter that only passes the selected ring thru.  We applied for patents
on both, but the A/B/C idea was already patented by someone.  But we
did get it for the filter idea.  And that version of the patent is
supposed to cover intellegent ring detect.  So it may be that things
like Zyxel's new Distintive Ring modem are in violation, but not
the 3 way multiplexers.  Whether we ever get the money and willpower
to go after people is not known at this time.

I'm beginning to believe Don Lancaster's  ( of TTL Cookbook and Hardware
Hacker column) thesis that patents do nothing for the inovator, and that
the only way to make money is to get in first, make your money, and move
on before the clones undercut you.
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.fax:2266 comp.dcom.modems:18018
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: distinctive ring router?
From: petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu (William Petrisko)
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:07:30 MST
Reply-To: petrisko@evax2.engr.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, College of Engineering and Mines, Tucson

In article <syny.724043916@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>, syny@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson) writes:
>As I've pondered and followed threads about how to have:
>
>	(1) incoming fax (given that remote doesn't always send tones), 
>	(2) incoming data
>    and (3) incoming voice to answering machine
>
>over the same line, it seems that the "distinctive ring" service may
>very well be the best way of getting all of these routed to the right
>device.
>
>So, does anyone sell an automatic A/B/C type device that will switch
>the call to different phone cables based on the distinctive ring?
>Should be a fairly simple electronic device to build, I would think.
>
>Thanks,
>Craig Stevenson

The following should answer all your questions about distinctive ringing
and the available boxes you can buy.  It appeared in the comp.dcom.telecom
archives a few weeks ago:

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From: jalonso@sobeco.com (j.alonso)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Supra fax software
Keywords: wanted supra fax software
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:27:20 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young



Anyone have  software ported (or in src form) for a Supra fax modem
I'd be interested in anyone who's ported such to an SGI Indigo or
an SCO ODT platform.
Thanks

jalonso@internet.sobeco.com
joe@softimage.qc.ca
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: dwframe@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (David W. Frame)
Subject: FTP site for class2 spec.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: dwframe@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University Cyclotron Facility
Distribution:  world
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:59:37 GMT

I am looking for an FTP site with the specification for speaking to a class2 FAX 
modem.  I could use this to troubleshoot my problems now and write code in the 
future.  Thanx!

DWFRAME@VENUS.IUCF.INDIANA.EDU
David W. Frame Electronics Engineer
Indiana University Cyclotron Facility
From: blair@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Gary Blair)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: elementary questions/ZOOM fax/modem
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:39:33 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

Pardon the elementary questions, but I need to acquire a fax/modem fast, and
don't have lots of cash.  I'm thinking of the Zoom external fax/mode, because
I understand it has software for the PC's and Macs.  

1. Does anyone have any experience using this equipment?  Feedback, either
positive or negative?

2. Does this come with software for viewing received documents online, or
is it necessary to print them?


3. What kind of files can be sent?  Text only?  Graphics?  Any restrictions on
file formats?

4. Can I send/receive to/from ordinary fax machines, or can I only exchange
documents with other fax-equipped computers?  

Please email responses to blair@ocfmail.llnl.gov, as my primary feed to
netnews has been somewhat flaky lately.  Thanks.

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From: yenchee@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Yeng-Chee Su)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: CCITT V.17?
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:30:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


  I'm sorry if it's a dumb question.  Is CCITT V.17 a standard?  I've heard
that it's 14400bps fax protocol and Supra and ZyXEL support it.  Is it
finalizd?  By the way, has class 2 be adapted?  What's the present standard?
If the class2 has been adopted, what's be based on by the most fax modem 
manufacture?  Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: dwframe@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (David W. Frame)
Subject: Error codes generated by at+faxerr?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: dwframe@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University Cyclotron Facility
Distribution:  world
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:07:07 GMT

I have a BOCA 14400i FAX Modem and am having difficulty receiving FAXes from
other machines.  I have used WINFAX Pro v.2.0 and QuickLink2FAX (QL2FAX)
software. The error I get in WINFAX Pro is 101.	This is the same error
reported by issuing an AT+FAXERR? after the call has been stopped in QL2FAX.

Where can I get a list of these error codes and their causes?

DWFRAME@VENUS.IUCF.INDIANA.EDU
David W. Frame Electronics Engineer
Indiana University Cyclotron Facility
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
From: doleh@mcs.kent.edu (Yaser K. Doleh)
Subject: Re: distinctive ring router?
Reply-To: doleh@mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Dept. of Math and Computer Science, Kent State U.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:07:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.175656.7681@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey) writes:
|> syny@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson) writes:
|> >As I've pondered and followed threads about how to have:
|> 
|> >	(1) incoming fax (given that remote doesn't always send tones), 
|> >	(2) incoming data
|> >    and (3) incoming voice to answering machine
|> 
|> >over the same line, it seems that the "distinctive ring" service may
|> >very well be the best way of getting all of these routed to the right
|> >device.
|> 
|> >So, does anyone sell an automatic A/B/C type device that will switch
|> >the call to different phone cables based on the distinctive ring?
|> >Should be a fairly simple electronic device to build, I would think.
|> 
|> Yeah, someone DID once.  Several other engineers and myself formed a
|> company which had such a box.  I cam up with the idea back in 1988
|> or so.  The company is virtually defunct now because of several
|> reasons, one of which was our inability to explain to a prospective
|> buyer how the concept works.  Either our ads had too little info, and
|> we were written of as yet-another-fax-switch, or are ads were too
|> wordy, and hence ignored.  Major sigh.
|> 
|> We have a patent for all the good it does us.

I saw such a box in a GTE phone store. That was about a year ago.

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Department Of Mathematics & Computer Science
Kent State University
Kent - OH 44242
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: mittag@trout.megatek.com (Larry Mittag)
Subject: Group 4 compression
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:08:18 GMT


Does anyone know of where I can find a
description or, even better, code for implementation
of the Group 4 compression algorithm? Is there a standards
document online somewhere that describes it?

Thanks,
Larry Mittag
mittag@megatek.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: bcapps@atlastele.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: _Teleconnect_ sliminess
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:48:41 GMT

In article <513@audfax.audiofax.com> brian@audiofax.com (Brian Troxell) writes:
>Just a note of warning to those who are counting on _Teleconnect_
>magazine's upcoming look at "all" the players in the fax-on-demand
>system manufacturing market today: they are only featuring companies 
>who advertise with the magazine.

Yeah, _Teleconnect_ isn't exactly _Consumer Reports_.  Harry Newton has 
very cozy relationships with certain vendors and personalities in the 
industry, and there is a *lot* of logrolling that goes on behind the scenes.  
Every so often _Teleconnect_ comes out with one of those obnoxious "100 
smartest people in the industry" kind of feature, blatantly comprised of 
Harry's chums, business associates, _Teleconnect_ or _Inbound/Outbound_ 
advertisers, people who write books for Harry's _Telecom Library_ publishing
company, people who cut Harry a deal on some phone equipment for his office, 
companies who exhibit at Harry's Telecom Developers show every May, Harry's 
partner's son's orthodonist, etc.  There are times _Teleconnect_ is one step 
above the vanity press.  Hurricane Harry may be many things, but no one's ever 
accused him of *impartiality*.  

That aside, however, I would also point out that I continue to read 
_Teleconnect_ every month (shelling out my own hard-earned cash doobies 
for it, I might add) because there isn't another magazine in the industry 
that covers telecom entreprenurs like it does.  I attend Telecom Developers 
every year.  And I highly recommend his _Newton's Telecom Dictionary_ to 
anyone who wants a comprehensive and thoroughly readable reference book for 
datacom/telephony - $19.95 from the _Telecom Library_ (1-800-LIBRARY).
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From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: distinctive ring router? 
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:44:57 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <1992Dec11.175656.7681@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us writes:

   syny@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson) writes:
   >As I've pondered and followed threads about how to have:

   >       (1) incoming fax (given that remote doesn't always send tones), 
   >       (2) incoming data
   >    and (3) incoming voice to answering machine

   >over the same line, it seems that the "distinctive ring" service may
   >very well be the best way of getting all of these routed to the right
   >device.

   >So, does anyone sell an automatic A/B/C type device that will switch
   >the call to different phone cables based on the distinctive ring?
   >Should be a fairly simple electronic device to build, I would think.

   Yeah, someone DID once.

Actually, lots of people make them now.  It was very recently
discussed on comp.dcom.telecom.

   We have a patent for all the good it does us.

Oh really?  Perhaps some or all of these other companies that make them
are violating your patent?  It's worth checking out...

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: chrisp@slc.com (Chris Pinkham)
Subject: class 1 fax software
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:03:29 GMT

Does anyone have, or know of, code for driving class 1 fax modems? Any
code, on any platform, as long as it's code. Sending only is fine.

Thanks. Chris
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.fax:2265 comp.dcom.modems:18010
From: oscarh@boi.hp.com (Oscar Herrera)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: distinctive ring router?
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:27:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

R Craig Stevenson (syny@crux3.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:
: over the same line, it seems that the "distinctive ring" service may
: very well be the best way of getting all of these routed to the right
: device.
: 
: So, does anyone sell an automatic A/B/C type device that will switch
: the call to different phone cables based on the distinctive ring?
: Should be a fairly simple electronic device to build, I would think.
: 
: Thanks,
: Craig Stevenson
: 

Here is one ( I do not have an opinion on it ):
	EXTRAline
	LYNX Automation Inc
	2100 196 St. Southwest
	Suite 144
	Lynnwood, WA 98036
	(206)744-1582
Also, see PC MAGAZINE, December 11, 1990,  pages 351-399, for a review of
boxes that do what you need.

Oscar Herrera
Hewlett-Packard
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: netfax 3.2.1 flow control problem
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:39:57 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdl.warren.mentorg.com

Situation:  SunOS 4.1.2, Sun 4/3x0, have the recommended fax modem
(don't remember the model, but it is what is listed in the docs) and
Sun's multi-serial port board (/dev/ttyh3).

Every time I send a fax it doesn't make it past the first page (if
there is a lot of text) or the second page (if the first page is
sparse).

This seems to indicate a flow-control problem.

Has anyone experienced this?  I could move the fax modem to the
built-in serial port.  Do you think this would make the problem go
away?

Any advice would be appreciated!

Tom
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: dror@netcom.com (Oz Dror)
Subject: Netfax for SYSV?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:21:10 GMT


Does anyone knows of SYSV version of netfax?

If So does netfax work for the SupraFax Modem?

Thanks,

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.cell-relay