From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Answer to Wayne McGuire...
Date: 12 Dec 1992 15:21:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Wayn McGuire writes...

>To: Mark Ira Kaufman
>
>Mark,
>
>Let me explain something to you: I do not engage in conversations
>with folks on computer networks who engage in habitual personal
>abuse. I learned a long time ago that such conversations, and
>such persons, are a waste of time. On most computer networks with
>which I am familiar, you would have been permanently booted off a
>long time ago. Personal abusiveness is considered one of the
>gravest sins among those who are interested in making this medium
>work and thrive.
>
>After I received my third consecutive abusive message from you

    You are a liar, again!  I  have NEVER sent you a message! 
    If I have, I hearby give you FULL PUBLIC PERMISSION to go
    ahead and post it!  Proof please, or shut your misleading
    mouth!  Anything that I have EVER said to you was posted.
    You have NEVER received a single piece of e-mail from me!


>some days ago, I added you to my twit list. I have no interest in
>reading your messages, never mind engaging in a "dialogue" (i.e.,
>screaming match) with you. Your style of communication is not
>doing much to promote the cause of Israel, I suspect.

    I am not trying to promote the cause of Israel, in the manner
    that you are trying to damage it.  I am merely trying to undo
    any harm done by your fraudulent posts.


>I just scanned the full message base and noticed that your are
>still screaming so loudly that your mind can't settle down enough
>to understand what you are reading:
>
> MIK> Is this "letter" in the Blitzer book?  Did Friedman claim
> MIK> in his review that this letter by Pollard is in the Blitzer
> MIK> book?  Had Friedman heard about this letter from the
> MIK> recepient?  Did Friedman ever read the letter himself?
> MIK> WHERE IS THIS LETTER?
>
>Robert Friedman never claimed the letter was in Blitzer's book.

    This may be true.  I never read his review.  But your message
    implied that the letter WAS in Blitzer's book.  As far as any
    of us know,  Friedman was simply told of such a letter, which
    may not even exist!  But you do not make that clear.  Instead
    you endeavor to obscure.  This is why I shall keep responding
    to your misleading ramblings.
   

>Friedman has many sources of information about Pollard besides
>Blitzer, and he used these sources in evaluating Blitzer's book.
>
>This is typical of all your communications: you misread messages,
>jump to wild conclusions, project views on your "enemies" that
>they do not hold, and then wildly flail at your own
>hallucinations. 

    I DO???


>         Sorting through all this mess is more a job for a
>therapist than anyone else, and I don't propose to do it.
>
>If you send me a private message indicating that you will drop
>the abusiveness from your messages, which is completely
>unacceptable, and will make an attempt to focus your mind on
>facts, then perhaps we can resume some sort of communication.

    I have never sent you a message. And I never will.  As far as
    resuming some sort of communication, this would be impossible
    for the simple reason that we have never had any.  When I see
    some of your ramblings, I am not communicating with you.  Nor
    do I want to.  I am simply trying to set the record straight.
    I care what intelligent people think.  I do not care what you
    think.


>But in any case, for your own sake, and the sake of whatever you
>consider to be your holy cause, you should really try to get grip
>on yourself.
>
>Btw, if Robert Friedman says that letter exists, it exists. He a
>professional journalist of the highest quality. Pollard is
>clearly on the record as supporting the most repulsive forms of
>Jewish terrorism. 

     Will you PLEASE produce this record to which you continually
     refer?  Prove that Pollard is indeed on record as supporting 
     terrorism.  You have repeated this accusation without even a 
     single quote to support it!  He said that he claimed that he
     wrote that he inferred blah blah blah... Get with it, Wayne.  
     It doesn't work like that here in this group.  People who do
     what you have been doing are rapidly dimissed as biased, and
     are not regarded as credible.  There is plenty about Israeli
     politics that I do not like.  And truth is more interesting.


>                  I can understand how this fact would make you
>uncomfortable, since you've launched yourself headlong on a
>crusade to help Pollard, but those are the facts. Perhaps you
>should think more carefully about the character of the person
>whose cause you are promoting, and whether Pollard and his more
>hysterical comrades are doing any good for Israel, or are merely
>compounding the damage that Israel and his incompetent handlers
>have already done.

   You have repeatedly used pergorative or insulting descriptions
   of anyone who feels that Pollard's sentence is excessive.  The
   word hysterical in the above paragraph is a case in point.  It
   might be healthy for you to examine your own manner before you
   start criticizing others for the tone of their posts.

   You may post whatever your little corrupt heart desires.  It's
   a free country.  I am also free to respond to your misleading, 
   slanted, bigoted half-truths.  And I will.