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From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:28:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
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In article <Carole-290992124532@cis_staff-kntx57.cis.brown.edu>,
Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) wrote:
> 
> Mars is quite prominent now with the approach to it's retrograde period
> which begins at the station in November at 27 deg. Cancer.  The declination
> of the planet is off the ecliptic also.  Would anyone care to start a
> discussion about the symbolism?  Does being off the ecliptic give Mars a
> 'wild' card effect?
> 
> I found the next paragraph on Sci.Astro and found it interesting - I
> haven't kept up with the launches since they sent the Hubble up on a
> Mercury retro.   Looks like this Mars launch went up with Mercury trining
> Saturn.  Good show!
> 
>   MARS OBSERVER STATUS REPORT
>                        September 27, 1992
> 
>           All systems are operating normally on the Mars Observer
> spacecraft on the second day following launch.
> 
>           Mars Observer was launched at 1:05 p.m. Eastern
> Daylight Time (10:05 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time) on Friday,
> September 25, from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida.
> 

I ran a chart for the launch and found many encouraging aspects, one being
the Merc. trine to Saturn.  There is a Mars trine Venus and the rising is
18:13 Sag.  The Sun, Jupiter MC are conjunct in Libra and the Jupiter is
conjunct the Moon in Virgo.  The Jup/Moon are in the 9th.

Mercury in 10th is the base of a Tsquare to Mars opposite Uranus. 
Hopefully this will be a driving force for information.  Mercury is also
square to Neptune, with Nep in the 2nd of finances


As there are no replies to the invitation to discuss Mars going off the
ecliptic, perhaps I should discontinue these postings.  Please comment. 
Thanks, Carol

Mars will be sitting at 27^ Cancer for weeks; look to your charts my
friends!
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: PAYER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (PAYER ANDREAS)
Subject: astrology-software for PC/MAC???
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:40:11 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hello!

I'm am looking for astrology software for PC or MAC.
I know an former version of astrolog 2.3, but as an 
unexperienced user  I am specially  looking  for an
programm with an detailed grafik output.

Any suggestions or hints?
Please respond to my e-mail address, if possible:
                                       payer@dulruu51.bitnet
                                       payer@rz.rzmain.uni-ulm.de

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,   Andreas
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From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: How astrology works
Keywords: Divine Logos
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:15:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.


Walter,

Thank you for posting that wonderful excerpt. Since reading the
marvellous little book "Flatlanders" I have felt that the key
to understanding how astrology works must lie in the ability to 
visualise the solar system in four dimensions -- not an easy trick! 
I will ponder what you posted for some time...

And yes, the planets are within us, not "out there."

Maggie
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: astrolog PC 2.3 bug notes
Summary: Report of a minor bug associated with the PC version of astrolog
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:27:04 GMT

Users of the PC version of astrolog 2.3:

  When using astrolog -w the day of the week displayed in the center
of the wheel is incorrect. I have checked the source code and this
does not affect any other information displayed in any way whatsoever.
  I have fixed the code, confirmed that the fix works without breaking
anything else, and notified Walter D. Pullen of the fix. Even so, I
have decided that this bug is so minor that no new release will be
made available until either a major bug is reported or the next Unix
release of astrolog (2.4?) becomes available.
  Rest assured that future versions will display the proper day of the
week and that the current version itself is free of any known bugs
other than this minor one.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Ted Kennedy
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:01:11 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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Here's my contribution for today.

Ted is in the news once again so I looked up his chart this morning and
quickly took some notes to post for anyone who might be interested in why
(astrologically speaking) there is more MC activity once again.

The MC denotes the most public side of an individual and Ted's is at 6:50
Scorpio.  Transiting Pluto would have crossed it about 1986-1987 time frame
- does anyone remember what was happening then?  Today, the magic and power
of solar arc movements moves his natal Neptune at 6:44 Virgo on the MC
(within a few minutes) and the natal Moon at 6:25 Virgo will follow in a
few more weeks to the MC. (the technique is the move planets, symbolically,
at one degree a year, around the birthchart).  Ted is 60 years old so any
sextiles he may have, especially exact one, would now be conjunctions and
are to be read as such.  His natal Moon Neptune conjunction in the 8th, to
me is very descriptive of his need for intense romantic love, amongst other
connotations and the exposure of these planets traveling to the MC by solar
arc indicates the exposure of the past.  This also would represent his
recent marriage and the possibility of a change (Moon) in how the public
perceives him. The past is on display now (true or not - Neptune can be
strong rumor/inuendo) and Ted could just drift or disappear from Public
office.

Ted's birthdata (taken from March/McEvers data) is 2/22/32, at 3:58am EST
in Dorchester, MA, 71w04, 42n18. Rising is 10:49 Capricorn.  
(Numerologists would find all those twos in the birthdate interesting).

Transit Neptune is square to Uranus currently and transit Uranus is not far
behind.  A very upsetting time to say the least. 

To Maggie,

You truly are a good example of giving in the gentlest sense. That was a
very generous post, counteracting the very jagged/harsh post of Gallagers.

I chose long ago not to interpret the ghosts's chart even though he is very
needy.  With the harsh interpretation, however, he did get what he paid
for. 

However, your sense of caring and kindness points out to me where I am
lacking and I am humbled by your generosity.  I hope our paths will cross
one day.

No time to read your metals post just yet - am studying intensely for the
NCGR certification.  

Regards, Carol 
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Re: 1992 QB1, Beyond Pluto
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:21:41 GMT


I made an ommission in the email address for Dr. Jewitt.  The complete 
address is:

jewitt@uhifa.ifa.hawaii.edu


dB
From: guyot@palatino.greco-prog.fr (GUYOT Jean-Luc)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: astrolog 2.30 for PC is available
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:20:11 GMT
Organization: ENSERB computer science, University of Bordeaux, France

Sorry, but there's no file astrolog230.zip.
Is the file astrolog.zip the 2.30 version ?
From: SXM123@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: astrology club
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:24:41 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     Hi!  I'm an astrologer of State College, PA, and I'm trying to set up an a
strology club at Penn State University.  Are there any students of astrology in
 this area?  In addition, I would like to know if anyone has any incite concern
ing the presidential election.  I looked at Bush, Clinton and Perot's natal cha
rts, progressions, and transits, and found that Clinton seems to be favored.  I
 also found that G. Bush's North Nodes are going to be squaring transiting Plut
o at 25 degrees Scorpio later this year and periodically throughout l993 and l9
94.  I wonder if this transit to his 3rd house could mean that the press will u
nearth some 12th House coverups and scandals.  His node is conjunct Neptune in
the 12th as well.  Chiron will be conjunct Clinton's 25 degree Leo Sun also as
Pluto squares it.  I've found in my experiences that Pluto squares often indica
te great powers that seem to be out of one's own hands.  I think this could be
an indication of Clinton's presidency because in the next few years his self- e
xpression will be challenged by these forces (perhaps Congress, other countries
, etc.)  Whether or not he is elected, he going to have a hell of a time in the
 neXt several years.
From: tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Full Moon
Date: 5 Oct 1992 19:52:27 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct5.183814.16261@u.washington.edu> mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:
>cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette) writes:
>
>>Sorry but I have to disagree. I've worked in hospitals for 10
>>years, have talked to police and fireman and others, to have reached
>>the conclusion that the full moon does exert a strange pull on
>>we mere mortals.
>
>>Take a ride around the city the night before and the night of a full
>>moon. You will see many more patrol cars and more than usual fire
>>engines and ambulances at work. And this is month after month.
>>Regular as clock work.
>
>>Linda
>
>There could be another factor involved also:  more light during a full
>moon for people to see by.
>
>Mark

	I have a theory about this. In the same way as the moon causes
tides, the gravitational effect also causes the gas and liquid factors
in the human body to "rise up" and thus exert pressure on the brain from
the inside. Now depending on how one's physical structure reacts to this
"pressure", one may either be a little bit euphoric or depressed or
"de-stabilized" for as long as the full moon's effect is strong.

	In fact, in some religious cults, notably in India, the prescribe
taking less food on Full Moon (called Purnima) and Dark Moon (called
Amavasya) - some even go as far as to prescribe fasting on these days
to avoid the "de-stabilzing" effect of the Moon's gravitational
pull and, of course, also fasting is performed sometimes in sympathy for
the millions of human beings on the planet who have nothing to eat.

	Man, I've not written on this net for ages. Toooo much work....



tito
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: zodiac constellation
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 5 Oct 1992 13:42:14 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <1anmp7INNnar@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Tony Alicea) wrote:

> >
> A small but powerful & knowledgeable: COSMOBIOLOGY. I've been with it
> far a *long* time. I am convinced that 'planetary pictures' and
> midpoints convey as much if not *more* insight into an interpretation
> of a chart... Ah, yes, I forgot Houses... Not needed in COSMOBIOLOGY.
> 
Thanks for posting.  Hopefully, I will begin a course in Uranian Astrology
which is a (derivation?) of Cosmobiology with Gary Christan of Astrolabe
later this month.  He has studied with the great German teacher (his name
escapes me at the moment) and I think Gary is the expert in the U.S.  If
the course takes place, I think what will result is a much deeper
understanding of Astrology  than I had ever considered.  These past few
years in my life has been more than interesting - Noel Tyl glanced at my
chart and saw the transit of Pluto to my Moon/MC and solar arc Sun on an
approach to conjunct natal Pluto on the 7th house cusp and commented on how
profound life would be.

BTW, the course will be held in Randolph, MA, about 1/2 hr from Boston; 45
minutes from Providence.  Will be on Tuesday evenings 7:30.  More details
if area people  are interested.

Would you please tell us more about Cosmobiology and how you know it works
for you.  Thanks very much.

Regards, Carol Egan
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: grand cross
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:18:17 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

A grand cross is forming in the signs of Aries, Libra etc.  The planets
involved are Mars, Moon, Sun, Neptune and Uranus.  All five planets will
be angular at the same time twice in the day.  Once when Aries rises, the
other when Libra rises.

Any comments/ideas?

Xavier.
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Mr Cern
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:32:14 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <1992Sep29.075050.21287@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>>
>>Gee I hope you were really giving what you knew to be diametrically opposite to
>>the correct interpretation in the hopes I'd contradict you.  Otherwise you'd
>>better go back to the drawing board.
>>
>>Thanks for trying though.  Now using what I've revealed here, everyone else can
>>go back and say "oh yeah, that makes sense, look at this aspect here..."
>>
>>
>>Dave
>>
>
>Xave, with all due respect, that sounds like a too-heavily researched chart
>analysis. I would never predict a scar ('cause I don't pay attention to that,
>and I wouldn't know how.) Sounds too much like the way they used to do it -
>forgive my heresy. Don't know who does charts like that, no astrologer I've
>run into ever provided an analysis like that for me. Sooner or later I'll
>look up our lovable Mr. Cern (looks like you've been coined, Dave - I did it,
>I'm sorry.)
>
>I can make broad guesses about the parents, but I don't assume anything.
>Sun square Moon - they didn't get along near the time of birth, Sun trine
>Moon, they did. Without Sun/Moon I also look at Venus, Mars and Saturn.
>I've had to give up on "fatalistic" astrology. C.E.O.Carter could do it
>because that was his bag in the astrological world of the time. Death &
>assassination - too - work in retrospect, but not to predict, so I don't
>do that.
>If the parents agree/disagree, I can offer a characterization of their
>relationship at times. Of course, if his dad died/split, you have to look
>at another male-archetypal figure in his life - even his mother!
>
>If Dave takes up astrology and brushes up on his French, he might return to
>the U.S. with a nice, hot woman so he can get Jupiter/7's ya-yas out.
>What sign was it in? Not Virgo, I hope. French women deserve better than
>that . . . [ :) ] ^ 100
>
>-ecsd
>
>p.s., Dave - I wonder, you're at the reactor/research facility - what do you
>do there? It probably was not easy to get in there; how long are you there
>for? And - well, *are* you learning French? This is near Geneve, yes?
>
>-thanx

Thanks for your observations.  It was heavily researched and followed
traditional methods.  I was trying to pinpoint specific material things
that could be tested.

The mother and father bits were judged without looking at aspects, mearly
analysed according to dignity and chart position.  As an aside it seems clear 
to me that the 8th house all but negated the exaltation of the moons position.
I was the moon in Taurus that made me think the mother was well liked and
that there were lots of sisters.

The father figure was heavily damaged in being 
1.in the same degree as the moons node and 
2. in the 12th house.

Heck,I'm repeating myself.
bye.
Xave
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: ASPECT INTERPRETATION AND INTERCEPTIONS
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:03:02 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <BvLnMn.13I@chinet.chi.il.us> tjc@chinet.chi.il.us ( Tom Chapin ) writes:

>In the US, it has been traditional to make the houses appear equal
>while letting the sign size float, but in Europe they tend to use
>a system which would appear more normal to you and me which keeps
>the signs stable and lets the house size float.

There is a third possibility, popular in Britain, which is to use
houses of equal size, i.e., regularly spaced in the zodiac, with a
separate interpretation sometimes given to the medium coeli, rather
than using it as house cusp.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
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From: dnibby@asylum.UUCP (Dana Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology,alt.oobe,alt.psychoactives,alt.zines
Subject: WTBWAW for sale
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:32:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Epilogue Technology Corp.

I have about 10 copies of the book "Would the Buddha Wear
a Walkman?" by Hooper and Teresi for sale. This book is a good
introduction to mind machines, brain toys, and consciousness
alteration in general. I'm selling it for $11 in the U.S.
(list price is $16.95) If you'd like a copy, send e-mail to

    d_nibby@unhh.unh.edu
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Mercury is not retro
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:27:18 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx57.cis.brown.edu

But it might as well be.  What spectacular energy over the weekend. 
Mercury was square to Uranus and Neptune turned stationary direct on
Sunday.  
I attended a wedding on Sunday and was asked by the mother of the bride (a
very dear friend) to take snapshots of the events during the day (Neptune).
 
When we arrived, we found out the groom had left the wedding license at his
home so there was a 1/2 delay to start the ceremony. (Mercury square)  We
all waited patiently in the room (not a church) for the ceremony to start
and when it did, the minister was proceeding nicely until he asked if
"Michael" would take Debra....then the groom interupted - uh, my name is
Manny,,,Manuel...and the minister still didn't quite hear him, so this went
on over the mike.  Well, the whole of the 150 invited guests just broke
into laughter.  The rest of the day 
seemed to go very smoothly after that.  Very strong Neptune with the
misnomer!
I did a chart for the time of the 'I do" and the Moon is at 23 Libra,
exactly conjunct the MC.

Today, Mercury is square to Neptune and there have been more instances of a
similar quality to Merc. retro than I care to recount.  This whole day has
just drifted from one crisis to another; a very lost quality to it.  The
news
this evening will be very interesting to watch.  Hope there are no oil
spills.

Regards, Carol  
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: xkramer@dante.nmsu.edu (KRAMER)
Subject: 0Tau02? (Newbie question re:cusps and such)
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Summary: Does 2' of arc `really' count?
Keywords: cusp astrolog local mean time
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:30:50 GMT


Yes, I'm a real newbie when it comes to astrology--so I've
really been enjoying this newsgroup and my newly-complied
copy of astrolog a lot.

Like most people who were on a day when the sun changes
sign I've wondered for years whether I was really an Aries
or a Taurus (or whatever). In my case, most people cite
my stubbornness as evidence that I _must_ be a Taurus--
but then there are the folks who think I'm so egocentric
I have to be an Aries. :)

So I decided to gather up the appropriate data [ 8:00 am, 20 April 1965,
Oxford, UK (1.15W 51.46N); so now you know all about me ;) ],
crank it through astrolog, and find out for sure once and for all.

So according to astrolog, my Sun is at 0Tau02.  I assume this
means my Sun is at Taurus 0 degrees 2 minutes.  Somewhere
in the mass of printout I got from astrolog is the note:

4/20/1965 7:04 am -  Sun(Ari) --> Taurus

Well, I'm sure my time of birth isn't off by a whole 56 minutes--
maybe 5. What puzzles me is this: according to Marc Edmund Jones,
0 degrees of Taurus is no Taurus influence at all and should
be recorded as 30 degrees Aries instead.  He *does* say to always
round minutes *up* to the next whole degree (so my Sun would
be at 1 degree Taurus), but 2' is only 1/30 of a degree; so
this seems really weird--shouldn't you round *down*?
Then again, according to Linda Goodman (in Sun Signs), you
shouldn't worry about the cusp at all--if your Sun's in a Sign,
then it's in that Sign, period.  Could some more experienced
person please enlighten me?

Oh, one final question:  I notice astrolog asks for time zones.
Should one use local mean time here or not?

Xenia Kramer
xkramer@nmsu.edu


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: 1992 QB1, Beyond Pluto
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:13:05 GMT

In article <15789@umd5.umd.edu>, mpound@astro.umd.edu (Marc Pound) writes:
> In article <BvCsDr.E47@csn.org> lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
>>
>>Douglas Kyle Pierce informs me that astronomers, like western astrologers,
>>use the tropical zodiac, but they express positions in terms of time along
>>the ecliptic. 
> 
> 
> Incorrect. 
Right ascension is 
>    the arc distance measure eastward along the celestial equator 
>    (NOT the ecliptic!) to the hour circle of the object from a 
>    reference point on the celestial equator. It is measured in hours 
>    (0 to 24) and the reference point is the vernal equinox. 
>    Declination is the arc distance of the object along an hour 
>    circle north or south of the celestial equator. It is measure
>    in degrees (-90 to +90) with 0 degrees being on the celestial
>    equator.
> 
>    The vernal equinox is the one of the points on the celestial
>    sphere where the celestial equator and the ecliptic intersect.

> 
>>The position given in the posting was 0h 00.09 +0d 01'.7
>>(2000.0).
>>Maggie
> 
> That position is not the discovery position. 1992 QB1 was discovered
> on Aug 30 at position (RA,DEC)[2000.0] = (0h01m12.79s,+0d08m50.7s), neither
> the position of the vernal equinox nor 0 Aries. 
Marc Pound

But very nearly. I am told the conversion from Right Ascension to Tropical
zodiacal position is as follows, in case allyou astrologers want to do it
yourselves:

Right Ascension = 24 hours per 360 degrees
Convert to seconds in 24 hours

360 degrees divided by 24 x 60 x 60 = .0041666

n x 60 + 12.79 = .3032868  which is the degrees from the

Vernal Equinox or 0 Aries. 

So the discovery position of 1992 QB1 was 0:30 Aries, and it is
retrograding back toward Pisces at 3" per hour.  As Brian Marsden's
circular 5611 showed, it passed over the celestial equator between
Sept 15 and 25.

Call me a dreamer, but I find this discovery very exciting. Regardless
of whether it is determined to be a comet, a planet, or whatever, it's
location so near the VErnal Equinox is ideationally significant.

Regards, Lou

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