From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Re: AP.ADMIN IS AN ASSHOL
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:12:47 GMT

In article <14576@umd5.umd.edu>, doug@lpf.umd.edu (does not exist) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul13.115504.20412@lemuria.sai.com> darryl@lemuria.sai.com (Darryl P. Wagoner) writes:
> 
> >In article <13JUL92.05261566@umbc1.umbc.edu> williamf@umbc1.umbc.edu writes:
> >>In a previous article, sabg9174@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tolthrye) wrote:
> >>>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >
> >>>   possible basis 2: Married people already have a steady
> >>>		     relationship, while many single people
> >>>		     are still looking for one.  Darryl wants
> >>>		     to help the latter, but feels no
> >>>		     obligation to help the former, find a
> >>>		     friend or lover.
> >
> >This one hits the nail right on the head.  I could care less about
> >married people who need some one to talk to.  (Well that is entirely
> >true) But it doesn't have any place in this service.  FWIW I did plea the
> >case for married to management, because of the deceit(sp) factor, and
> >they said "no".
> >
> 
> 	what about the deceit factors in other posts, or if someone uses
> the proper headers, but says something different in their posts, or even
> the deceit in your *misleading* faq/how-to post?
> 	you also said that you would send me a copy of your software.... so
> far, nothing....*smile*
> 	how do you feel about sending me the address (and name) of your
> funding people, so that i may contact them directly?  i would like to write
> to them and complain about your service, and attitude, and generally make
> waves.  i have been encouraged by several others who also would like to have
> this information for the same reasons:  you should not be in this 'business'
> and you should not be trying to enforce your morality or standards on others,
> regardless of how highly you think your ideals are needed:  you should not
> be deceiving so many people with your posts and faq/how-to posts:  

Who the fuck died and made you net-god?  Where in the Hell do you come off
complaining about his morality, and telling him that he should not be in this
"busines" when you are doing exactly what you are (falsely) accusing him of
doing?  You hypocrical net-Nazis make me want to puke with your phoney
morality.  If anyone is engaging in deception here, it is you.  So, why the
fuck don't you shut up, asshole?

> >>   But why go out of his way to exclude them from the service?  Even to 
> >>   find a friend?  I am not married but I assume married people have problems
> >>   that they want to talk about with someone not necessarily their spouse. The
> >>   ACS has in the past featured ads with precisely that kind of request.
> >
> >A. It's not out of the way.  B. The charter of the service as defined
> >by SAI is a singles service.  It IS NOT AN ANONYMOUS POSTING SERVICE.
> >How many times to I have to say that?  It is funny, I kept stating
> >our reason for running the service the way we do, but only a very
> >few listen.  The rest don't want to be confused by facts.  They are
> 
> 	just out of curiousity, if this is such a highly moral and open
> service, that encourages honesty, *WHY IS IT ANONYMOUS*????  there is where
> most of the deceit is coming from, the refusal to stand by what one says, by
> putting one *TRUE* name to it.....  you are the most guilty of perpetrating
> the dishonesty.  you are allowing people to post anonymously, thereby hiding
> their true intent (to whatever degree) and personage behind a *LESS THAN
> SECURE* anonimity!!!!  then you have the audacity to claim high morals!  HAH!

I can't believe that you wrote such bullshit!  Why don't you just take your
solipism and sanctimony and shove them up your ass?

> >however much more guilt of imposing their morals on me, than I on
> 
> 	*NO ONE* is imposing their morality on you.  they are saying that as
> the administrator of a service of this nature, it is your duty to be at "arm's
> length" from the service.  if you cannot change your morals (no one is 
> suggesting you should,) then get out of the business.
> 	and for the ske of everyone's sanity.... don't spread your 'gospel'
> to other groups!  you have created enough headaches here!  

He isn't trying to enforce his morals upon anyone, but you certainly are
trying to force yours upon him--and you don't even have the honesty to
admit that you're doing it.  You're the one causing the headaches around
here--with your lies and hypcocritical attitude.

> 	it would seem to me that it would be obvious, *EVEN TO YOU* that there
> is a radical problem with you and your service ('you' only as with regard to,
> and in the context of the service, NOT you personally), as evidenced by the 
> fact that you have created more posts about your service (to be fair, both
> pro and con) than any other topic.  this should at least a clue!  why can't 
> you see the writing on the wall?  all the other acs services before, put
> together, have created so much controversial activity.  perhaps you should
> rethink your position.....

It should be obvious *EVEN TO YOU* there is a radical problem with your
hypocricy as evidenced by the fact that all you're doing is complaining
and lying your head off about other people's immorality.

> >them.  They are trying to force me(SAI) to submit to their moral
> 
> 	are you now saying you represent sai?  'me(sai)' sounds to me like
> you are.....  again, i ask if you will publish or send to me the address of
> the parent/funding organization.  i (and several others) would like to contact
> them directly, as you seem to be unwilling to comply, or be cooperative.
> i believe you should stop your service.  don't take it anywhere else.  give
> it up.  get out..... 

If you don't like his service, then don't use it.  I'm sick and tired of you
net-Nazis trying to tell other people what they can and can't do.  You strike
me as the kind of person who will hide under a sheet and burn a cross on someone's
yard because they have a different color skin or a different religion than you, or
tell a woman that she better not have an abortion because it offends your sense of
morality.

> >standard. It's not going to happen!
> 
> 	i suspect that this is going to be a recurring theme with you.
> 	can i have the software?    > It's not going to happen!
> 	will you modify your faq/
> 	how-to posts to reflect the
> 	facts and truth?           > It's not going to happen!
> 	will you give me the 
> 	direct address to the 
> 	funding organization?     > It's not going to happen!
> 	etc.                      > It's not going to happen!
> 	*smile*                   > It's not going to happen!

I see no reason for Darryl to give you the name and address to his organization.
It is not in his best interest, and it is not in the best interest of this
newsgroup.

You used to seem like a rational person, Doug.  What in the Hell has come over you?
Or is this the way that you really are?
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