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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Junkies/crack addicts don't try to share the fun?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:37:01 GMT

jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
: In article <1992Nov5.205600.23802@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: >Certainly, it is plausible that some asshole may have tainted some candy.
: >It is also plausible that terrorists are sneaking thousands of H-bombs
: >into all the cities of the Western World - where they will be detonated
: >on some chosen date. Just because it is plausible does not improve the
: >likelihood of someone doing something.
: 
: Gee, if you think these are even close in their "plausibility" I can see
: why you don't trust your sense of plausibility.

I made no judgement about the relative likelihood of the two events. I was
simply making a point. Just because something is plausible does not mean
that it has occurred - regardless of how nasty some specimens of humanity
happen to be.

Bill
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: MDMA and relationships
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:17:14 GMT


I have read most everything I can find on MDMA and its use in therapy,
recreation and personal development and I know Dr. Downing, one of its
most vocal researchers personally.  It is apparent to most who have
worked with it that it is almost a magic bullet for problems within
relationships.  Not 100%, but the most effective therapy that any of
the researchers have encountered.  The people that have worked with it
do not believe that it creates an artificial state so much as that it
clears away the bullshit (best term I can think of) that our form of
society has created which normally stands between people and that it
opens the doors to what is in fact the natural state.

My question relates to its effectiveness in starting relationships.
From what I have read and what I have personally experienced I am lead
to the belief that it would be an extremely useful tool in establishing
the foundations of an enduring relationship.  I am thinking in terms of
every month or so at first once the mutual desire for a commitment was
reached as well as a *completely* mutual desire for the experiment.
Then a steadily decreasing usage, as seems intrinsic to the substance,
with perhaps yearly "boosters".  Does anyone have experience with this
that they might share or does anyone have any plain old opinion?

Bob
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it, but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and one must start all
         over again."

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From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Butyrophenones and Phenothiazines
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:04:03 GMT

dbt@cellar.org (Marquis de Freud) writes:

>Re: Eric Snyder's post about the difference between the two classes of drugs.

>Are there any *clinical* differences between Haldol-class (butyrophenone) 
>drugs and Thorazine-class (phenothiazine) drugs? I have only heard, and 
>mainly anecdotally from physicians I have worked with, that Haldol is "less 
>toxic" and has fewer of certain side-effects. 

The phenothiazine neuroleptics, particularly chlorpromazine, have a very 
broad spectrum of activities.  In fact, I remember Sol Snyder (no relation)
saying once that chloropromazine has significant binding activity at every
neurotransmitter receptor against which it has been assayed.  Remember that
promethazine, the predecessor of chlorpromazine, was originally (and still
is) used as an antihistamine.  The butyrophenone neuroleptics have a much
more specific activity against dopamine receptors.  

>I also have heard, anecdotally, that Haldol has either less OR more of a 
>propensity to bring on Parkinson-like symptoms!

Haloperidol causes greater extrapyramidal side effects, mainly because it 
has less anticholinergic activity which tends to attenuate the symptoms of 
parkinsonism.  


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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: PCP/Ketamine
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:59:07 GMT

In article <eesnyder.721369226@beagle> eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eri
 E. Snyder) writes:
>locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus) writes:
>
>>In the united states, as far as I know, Ket isn't approved for human us
.
>
>Ketamine is still available for use in humans.  The fact that is has yet

>to be scheduled is probably a result of its relative obscurity.  This
>may well change if people continue to rave about its merits.  ...and 
>as far as this "as far as I know" stuff is concerned, if you don't know,
>don't post.  
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 Ketamine is commonly used in burn units. Where other painkillers fail,
ketamine does the trick. 

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From: goddard@cae.wisc.edu (Goddard Denis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Menthol! was Re: Snow Bong! (was Bong ideas)
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:14:41 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <92314.221807IO20639@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20639@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Where on earth did you get that little gem of a fact?  since when does
>alcohol remove THC?  My FOAF tried a bong with Southern Comfort, and I can
>attest to the fact that the THC was deffinately still in the smoke. Please,
>if I am wrong, let me know!
>
>peace
>
>the bushman

 OK. The key here is that while THC _IS_ soluble in alcohol, it is not so
soluble that most of the THC gets 'stripped' out in the time that it takes
for the bubbles to rise through.
 It shouldn't be very difficult to get an approximate ballpark figure for
the amount of THC lost (given typical hieght of water, room temp, etc., 
and a few physical constants from CRC). I would probably bother to do
a little research & calculation if anyone posts some requests to encourage me
(regular schoolwork's more than enough chem. for me! ;)
 By the way, Southern Comfort is more water than alcohol (no offense, just the
facts...), and the 'purity' of the organic solvent (alcohol) influences how
well the THC (an organic solute) gets scrubbed. Same principle industry uses
to scrub nasty toxins out of smokestacks.
 Chem Engineering can be fun and useful! ;)



Denis
the Altered Engineer
   just trying to make it to GRADUATION.....
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From: Jeremy Matz <jam3@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Living with Druggies
X-Xxdate: Sat, 7 Nov 92 13: 10:41 GMT
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From: esrec@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C L Mountford)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid activities
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:59:20 -0000
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In article <1daqgsINN6p4@agate.berkeley.edu> bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.041458.364@cs.uwp.edu> itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser) writes:
>>To get your trip started off right, drink some orange juice or other
>>citric acid.  It kicks the Acid into your system.  That is unless this is
>>a old wive's tale--like my mom ever tried Acid.
>
>	It doesn't get it "into your system" any faster as far as I have
>heard, but it does help intensify a trip, by FOAF experience.  ;)  I think
>it's primarily the Vitamin C, because I know others who simply pop a few
>vitamin pills and feel uppity too.
>
>	Brian
>
	My acid using friends use Vitamin C to abort bad trips. Apparently
it brings you down prematurely, don't ask me how. Can anyone confirm or
provide definite evidence to contrary? (And no bullshit please).

	Thanx
		Col
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From: v055rylr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amy Pascale)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid activities
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov5.041458.364@cs.uwp.edu>, itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser) writes...
>This may be old hat to some, though others may find it fun.
> 
>To get your trip started off right, drink some orange juice or other
>citric acid.  It kicks the Acid into your system.  That is unless this is
>a old wive's tale--like my mom ever tried Acid.
> 
>See ya in the spinning room.
> 
>Peace
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: Ice Man Had Mushrooms
Keywords: IceMan, mushrooms, anthropology
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:01:38 GMT
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              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) writes:

> I just watched a NOVA program about the finding of the IceMan - the ancient
>hiker found in the mountains between Italy and Austria. Over two thousand years
>old, the body was found with a number of his personal effects. One of them was
>a pair of mushrooms, threaded on a thong. 

I saw this, too.


> A mushroom expert decided that they were for medicinal purposes - but the type
>of mushroom was not mentioned, even though the program implied that they had
>been identified by the mushroom expert.

I think they identified them as mushrooms which were known to have an anti-
-bacterial effect, but they didn't clarify either the effect or the mushroom,
to my sorrow.


-- richard

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From: barry@reed.edu (Barry Smith)
Subject: Pamelor
Keywords: Pamelor antidepressant
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:21:13 GMT
Summary: What does it "do"?

Well, it says here:
"Pamelor (nortriptyline HCI) is 1-Propanamine,
3-(10,11-dihydro-5H-dibenzo[{\it a,d}]cyclohepten-5-ylidene)-N-methyl-,
hydrochloride.

"The structural formula is $CH-CH_2-CH_2-NH-CH_3\ \ HCI$ 
($C_{19}H_{21}N\ {HCI}$)

"The mechanism of mood elevation by tricyclic antidepressants is at present
unknown.  Pamelor (nortriptyline HCI) is not a monoamine oxidase inhibitor.  
It inhibits the activity of such diverse agents as histamine, 
5-hydroxy-tryptamine, and acetylcholine.  It increases the pressor effect of
norepinephrine but blocks the pressor response of phenethylamine.  Studies
suggest that Pamelor interfers with the transport, release, and storage 
of catecholamines.  Operant conditioning techniques in rats and pigeons 
suggest that Pamelor has a combination of stimulant and depressant properties."

which doesn't tell me anything meaningful...

Anyone have more accessible information? 
Effects?  Side-effects? Side-side-effects?
Dosage? Similar compounds?


Barry Smith
barry@reed.edu
From: fehlers@cs.utexas.edu (Todd Ehlers)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] hbwr
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:14:18 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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Keywords: anonymous

In article <1992Nov12.001821.16106@Cadence.COM> bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct27.055239.19328@u.washington.edu> ap.5975@cupid.sai.com writes:
>>
>>Subject: hbwr
>>
>>A few months back I tried some HBWR seeds.
>>
>>I experienced nothing: no sickness, but no other interesting effects, either.  
>>
>>Overated, as far as I can tell.  Just not in the same class as
>>the other weeds/fungi/chemicals we all know and love.  (But if it was,
>

well, try again.
i posted my experience here a couple of days ago.
i've taken acid probably about 20 times in my life, all doses (except the first time)
being at least 3 hits, and most closer to 5 or 6.
the 20 hbwr seed i took were far more mind expanding than any acid i've ever taken.
well, not really expanding, it became a point of light in an infinite void.

i also have a question, do any of you chem people out there know about the soluability
of lsa (the active ingredient in hbwr seeds)?  about 3 months ago a friend of mine tried
soaking the crushed (in a coffee grinder again) seeds in rum over night, and made jello
with the rum the next day.  the hope was the lsa would be alcohol soluable, while the
pulp, which was strained off, was the cause for most of the illness.  anyway, nothing
happened in terms of sickness or tripping.

is it related to the purity of the alcohol? i.e. the rum was only 80-100 proof.
would heating it help, or mixing it in a blender for a while or something.
excuse my ingnorance, i'm a computer scientist, no a chemist.

ps: would it help to remove the stricnine that they put on the seeds if i bubbled
them up thru vitamin C enriched orange juice in my water pipe, or would i need to
get a bong? :)

-- 
-tod ehlers
 fehlers@cs.utexas.edu

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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus)
Subject: DMT plants
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:04:48 GMT
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Re: the request for DMT containing plants.
I have been collecting data on this for a few weeks now & have a sustantial
number of plants that have or may have DMT or 5-MeO DMT in them.
The easiest, if you live in North America, is probobly Desmanthus Illanoensis
(sp?!) or prairie mimosa. There are various other candidates that are fairly
common to north america, namely Phalaris species, but a solid reference for
DMT in canary grass has yet to be found.

If you are from australia, you have many DMT acacia species to choose from...
More later...

-Misquamicus
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] SO's and drugs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:22:37 GMT

ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:
: 
: I used to be anti-drugs by default -- every decent person is,
: right?

No - only the non-thinking decent people.

Bill
From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid activities
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:51:18 GMT
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In article <Bwurnw.D6G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kari@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kari) writes:
>In article <1992Oct28.165452.4924@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>>In <1992Oct28.053036.5846@news.ysu.edu> ad731@yfn.ysu.edu (David Hovanec) writes:
>>>Watching MTV's Liquid Television would help increase the experience since the
>>>people who make Liquid TV do it while on LSD.
>>
>>Yeah, right.
>
>arning...if you want 'visuals' don't watch tv tripping.  The eyes scans the
>environment at a certain rate while the brain is functioning 'normally'.  
>When the brain is tripping, according to the Surgeon General's report,  the 
>visual scan rate slows down and message transmission in the brain can become
>sightly disorganized.   When a person normally watches tv, the eye sees the
>scan rate of the tv screen (CRT scan rate) and the brain tends to gettle into
>a visual scanning rate (not terribly different from the norm) to match or 
>become more compatible with ths rather alien light source (tv).  When on acid,
>the brain will still tend to try to reset the visual scan rate to match the
>tv, not the lsd...in other words, watching tv can be counterproductive to a
>good visual (any kind actaully) trip because the brain gets 'used' to tv scan
>rates and matches them over the lsd's influence.  Get the picture?  Hope so...
>Hope this helps!
>
>Kari
>

Yeah right. Never worked that way for me, and I always watch TV when I
<or my FOAF> do this.
BTW, "2001" is great for this too. You will be amazed at the amount of 
light that pours out of your tv screen while watching the ending!

					--Judex--
From: robc@wicat (Rob Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Head Shops in Denver
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:34:30 GMT
Organization: Jostens Learning Corp

In article <BxKFHI.25B@cs.uiuc.edu> ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:

>The past two times I've been through Denver I've stopped in at 'Heads of 
> State',they were very cool...even gave me some stuff (stickers that is).  
> So if your in Denver let us midwestern folks know the low down.  

	Was that the one on North Federal near I-70?
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From: kisaacso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin "Zonker" Isaacson)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Front Range head shops
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:23:12 GMT

In article <64460001@hpsmeng1.rose.hp.com> miker@hpsmeng1.rose.hp.com (Mike Ryan) writes:
>In alt.drugs, ap.6156@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>
>
>>Are there any remaining head shops in the Boulder/Denver area.
>>Especially interesting would be those shops selling acrylic and glass
>>water pipes.  Due to Operation Pipe they all seem to have disappeared.
>
>If ya get desperate, drive up to Ft. Colins.  Just across from the university
>is one of the few shops left.  Can't remember the name, but it was still there
>just a few weeks ago.  Lots of wares.....

The shop you are referring to is Mellow Yellow.  They were once an outstanding
head shop, but I know that for at least a year or so they stopped selling
"Tobbaco Accessories" entirely.  Haven't been there since, I heard that they
started selling them again but can't verify this personally.  In Denver there
is always Trails Department Store (formerly Happy Trails).  They aren't the
shop they used to be, they seem to concentrate on t-shirts and bandanas etc.
more than they used to, but they have an adequate selection for most needs.
There also used to be a chain called Home Sweet Home with several locations
around town but I'm not sure if they are still around.  Don't know of any 
truly outstanding shops anymore, I'll be interested to hear if you find any.


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From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: Re: More misinformation????(X-stasy)
Keywords: Newspapers/crap
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:54:41 GMT

In article <1davlhINNpsf@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esuqg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Brickwood) writes:
>Hi,
>    In the past few days I have been told about a newspaper article on a girl
>who took a tab (maybe half a tab) of X-stasy while at a party. A few hours

a 'tab' of X?  never heard of X measured in 'tab's before.

>later she was admitted to hospital suffering from a really bad reaction to the
>drug. Among her symptons were :-
>
>Internal bleeding

Probably from her bones/rib cage disolving into dust -- X is known to do this.

>Bleeding from various orifices - eyes, mouth, etc. etc. etc.

Very likely -- especially if her eyes popped out or if she swallowed her
tounge during her bad trip.  Did it mention anything about excessive sunburn
or vision loss from looking directly into the sun?  This is very possible
as well. 

>Almost certain death within a few days.

Shit, I'm surprised she wasn't dead by the time the article was written.
Man, that X is a killer.  

>Now is this, as I suspect, a complete load of crap or is there some grain of
>truth in at all?
>All responses posted to the newsgroup please.....

Not at all..  I think it very accurately describes the dangers of psychoactive
drugs.

But you may consider getting the actual article (i'd be interested in it as
a reference)

tee heh

-marc anderson
andersom@spot.colorado.edu
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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Ice Man Had Mushrooms
Date: 12 Nov 1992 05:17:42 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
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Keywords: IceMan, mushrooms, anthropology

In article <1992Nov11.055943.6256@netcom.com> larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) writes:
>
> I just watched a NOVA program about the finding of the IceMan - the ancient
>hiker found in the mountains between Italy and Austria.
>
>Over two thousand years old, the body was found with a number
>of his personal effects. One of them was a pair of mushrooms,
>threaded on a thong. 

The other day, out of pure masochism I suppose, I was listening to
NPR.  National Public Radio.  Yes, folks, it's "All Things Considered."

Speaking was an op-ed commentator.  I do not remember his name,
but he was truly incredible.  Even for NPR.  He must have
broken records that night.  All around the globe, on the little
black smarm meters, needles ticking into the red.

He was using the "Ice Man" as some kind of extremely involved
political metaphor.  It took about two minutes and finished
with my speakers spouting warm saliva - I had to replace the
cones.

But it was good.  I spent those two minutes alternately cramped-
double in vicious convulsions, and coming up with metaphor
extensions for the large deposit of semen that the autopsy
found deep within the Ice Man's rectum.

Apparently he was a rather interesting bloke.

The US media, however bullish they may be on gay rights, took
great pains not to mention this detail.

c
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