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From: kwilliam@mott.seas.ucla.edu (William Kuan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Dracula preview
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:50:45 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


	I jrecently saw Innocent Blood (a beryvery bad movie IMHO) and saw the
preview of Dracula. along with other hijack movies. It's the first time I've
seen th this preview which contains a lgood amouunt of scenes from the movie, asopposed to the previous one I saw which just had blood running down a wall.
To anyone who has seen this preview and read the book by Stoker, doeesn'tit seemthat the more one sees and hears about this movie, the more it diverges away
from the feel of the book? For example, there was a scene where something that
looks like a gargoyle seemsappears. I assume this is onne of the many transformations that Dracula takes, but the book doesn't have Dracula transforming into
a giant gargoyle. It also seems that there is a great amount of makeup that
was applied to Gary Oldman's Dracula. It just doesn't feel as if this movie
captures the atmosphere of Stoker's novel. Even the sparse dialogue I heard
didn't seem right.
	Maybe I am overreacting, after all it was only a preview. And I am
not saying that it should exactly follow Stoker's novel. Don't get me wrong,
but I did like the preview. It wass, shall we say, different from what I
expected. All this preview served to do was to reemphasize what I have been
thinking all along, that it is not a true adaptation of the novel, but onee
of many imitations. IMHO, they shouldn't have called the movie STOKER'S
DRACULA but COPPOLA'S DRACULA. But I may be wrong. We'll find out in Thanks-
giving I guess.
From: nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Howards End casting question
Keywords: Samuel West
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:53:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCy1J.DJx
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I was reading an article today mentioning that Prunella Scales' (Aunt Juley
in Howards End) son, Samuel West, was also in Howards End.  Can anyone tell
me which character he played?  thanks.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:07:54 GMT

In article <BD.92Sep26090551@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>
>>How could someone be responsible for killing lots of other replicants
>>and keep it a secret?  Sounds reasonable to me that lots of replicants
>>have heard about him.
>
>Sure, like all the little replicants on the outer worlds get
>together and talk about the newest rumors from earth.
>

Why not?  Some of them are extremely intelligent, e. g. Roy.  
They apparently have set up some kind of semi-family unit or
at least live together.  It's certainly not inconceivable
that this particular unit has communitcated with others.  
There are apparently lots of them out there.  They aren't in prison
or kept incommunicado.  Some jobs require communication.  It's
no secret which of them are replicants.  They apparently have
affection and loyalty for one another.  They had to make some
kind of preparations to get to Earth, and they may very well
have been aided by others with the same aspirations.  It's
less probable that they have no knowledge of Earth and what
awaits them there.  And if they have nascent human emotions,
I'd consider it much less probable that they could resist
hearing about Earth and what goes on there.  For instance,
it didn't take Zhora long to figure out Deckard was a phony.
She didn't seem naive at all.  Don't know what else there
is to say.

GMS



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Subject: Re: the absolute worst movie of all time, so bad it's bad
From: system@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:02:31 NZDST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10-155, Auckland, New Zealand

> 
> If you DO decide to see this one, please keep all sharp objects well out of 
> reach. You may do something you'll regret.
> 
> Kevin.
Or worse, do something that you don't regret.

Cheers,

Wayne McDougall
From: jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Re: robert vaughn blackballed?
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:57:46 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

hypes@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes:

# Could it be he was blackballed for being a mediocre actor? His biggest
# claim to fame -- apart from "The Man from Uncle" -- which, seen now,
# looks REALLY awful -- is that he had bit parts in several otherwise
# excellent movies (Magnificent Seven, Bullitt...) I have a tough time
# coming up with a single "Robert Vaughn" movie, i.e., one in which he was
# the leading/central character (apart from TMFU compilations).

Try "Teenage Caveman."

John
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From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: BRAZIL on Laserdisc: 'European' vs. 'U.S.' releases
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:01:56 GMT



I don't recall the names...

Recall the scene where the special police group goes throught the
floor to the apartment and arrest the man at the beginning of the
film.

Just before that there's a woman taking bath.

When I saw this movie first time, I recall I did see how
polices prepares to go through the floor -- they set their
equipments, etc. (Viewwed in upper apartment) -- and after
that we see how they comes throught the floor. (Viewed from
the lower apartment.)

In the version I saw in the TV, there's only woman in the bath
and right after that the group goes throught the floor.
(Viewed from the lower apartment.)

In the TV version, it is not explaned what happened to the woman
taking bath (it was only seen how she try listen to sounds
when the police breaks her apartment door; she doesn't see the polices
at that time).

(Oh, if this scene was listed in previous articles I think I have
read them too quickly. :)


Juhana Kouhia
From: oneill@almach.caltech.edu (TOM O)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 4 Oct 1992 21:23 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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Hi,

I thought you all might like to know what Ridley Scott INTENDEDED
us to think about whether or not Deckard was a replicant.  The
following quote is from the 9/13/92 issue of the Los Angeles Times
(Magazine section):

   Scott had...decided he wanted to leave the viewer with a hint
   that Deckard himself was a replicant.  So he had Deckard notice
   a small origami unicorn on the floor, a unicorn that would hark
   back to a unicorn dream that he had earlier in the film, making
   him realize that his very thoughts were programmed...

   "Is he or isn't he a replicant?  You can't cheat an audience
   that way.  It's anoter confusing moment," Yorkin [one of the
   executives involved with the film] says.  And so the unicorn
   dream was never used, and a new, more positive ending line--
   revealing that Rachal was a replicant without a termination
   date--was written.

The first version released was contrary to Scott's intent.  This
is demonstrated by Deckard's reaction when Rachal asks if he's
seen her termination date--IMHO, his reaction shows that he
clearly has and doesn't want to tell her because it's so soon.

Also, in the LA Times Calender section of 10/4/92, Scott says
he'd like to make a sequel to Blade Runner:

  "I'd really like to do that, I think 'Blade Runner' makes some
  very interesting suggestions to the origins of Harison Ford's
  character, addressing the idea of immortality."

You can see that LA is so movie-oriented that the behind the
scenes stuff is treated as news :).  I also think we can
probably assume that the above spellings are correct.

Admittedly the movie's evidence for thinking Deckard is a
replicant is pretty slim, but Scott's interpretation is that
he just might be.

Tom O'Neill
Caltech Grad Student
oneill@almach.caltech.edu
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From: braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER)
Subject: Re: My Own Private Idaho
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:36:14 GMT

ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
>I couldn't even finish this movie, and I was suprised Neil could, either
>(hope you don't mind me saying so, Neil!).  It's one thing to retell
>Henry IV, but Van Sant lifted some of the lines right out of the play,
>which, when combined with today's vernacular, really disrupted continuity
>for me.  He could have gotten away with the parallels (perhaps) if
>he had either written the whole thing in a take-off of Shakepeare's
>lofty (for us) english, or if he had written it in whatever it is
>you would say that prostitutes and street people speak these days.
>The film shifted gears on me when Bob (?) showed up, and it made for
>some really ridiculous, pointless verbage.  And then Van Sant shifted
>gears again when they go off in search of Mike's mother, and I was
>left wondering how many movies was he trying to make anyway?

I thought that using the shakespearian style gave a certain innocence, or
naivity to the streetkids, who were anything but.  In a fashion it made 
their plight seem more cruel.  Perhaps I am just giving in to my 
emotions.


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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies,rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:09:31 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <DUKE.92Sep28125616@portal.paperboy.osf.org>, by duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Robert Robillard):
> I bet the real Deckard was assigned to stake out the Tyrell Corp
> when the replicants tried to break in, and one got fried in an
> electric fence.  I can see Bryant and Tyrell now.
 
> Bryant:  Jeez, what a mess.  F*ing skinjobs are walking tanks....
> Tyrell:  Captain Bryant?  A word with you.

This must have been what the first script looked like, the one that
Dick hated so much.
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From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Subject: Forbidden Zone (was Re: Danny Elfman
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:05:28 GMT

In article <Bv3IoE.Fp6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin) writes:
>
>>Hello all you movie gurus;
>
>>Other than Darkman, Dick Tracy, Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice,
>>and the two Batmans, are there any more movies with Elfman's soundtrack that
>>I missed? 
>
>As a matter of fact, there are. :)
>
>Danny Elfman also did the music to Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.  As the lead
>singer for Oingo Boingo, he did some songs for Summer School and Back to
>School as well.

Danny Elfman and "The Mystic Knights of the Oingo-Boingo" (that's exactly
how they're credited) were responsible for the original music in one
of the all-time weirdest films ever made: _Forbidden Zone_.

Directed by his brother Richard Elfman, this film stars Susan Tyrrell,
Marie-Pascale Elfman (it was a "family" film, I'm sure the Republicans
would approve) and......Herve Villechaize as The King! Also starred 
Toshiro Baloney, Viva and The Kipper Kids.

"Frenchy Hercules is flung headlong into the world of the sixth
dimension. This kingdom is ruled by the horny midget King Fausto
(Herve) and inhabited by dancing frogs, maidens in bikinis, robot-
like boxers (The Kipper Kids) and degraded beings of all kinds.

"Will the robust Queen Doris destroy the King in a fit of jealousy?
Will Frenchy suffer the same fate as the other imprisoned damsels?
Will Flash and Gramps reach Frency in time to rescue her from the
depths of the FORBIDDEN ZONE?"

If that sounds strange, believe me, it's 1000 times *more* strange
than it sounds!! I first saw it years ago (it was released in 1984)
when some friends forced me to watch it while I was on an (shhh) 
acid trip. They're still friends, though I still haven't quite 
forgiven them :-). The acid must have been good, because I didn't
see the movie again for a few years and when I did, I was *shocked* 
to find out that it's in black and white! I swear, I remembered it
being in color!!

Being the weirdness fan in general, and Danny Elfman fan in particular,
that I am, I actually bought the video and have sprung it on friends
when they least expected it. (I don't know if any of them have 
forgiven me yet...)

The soundtrack is *great*!! Besides the original music, you'll hear all
kinds of suprising things, from Cab Calloway to Josephine Baker. I do
have the LP, but I've never seen it on CD.

I forgot to mention that Danny Elfman plays the best role of all...
The Devil! He even sings a theme based on "Minnie the Moocher."

If you see it in a video store, grab it, and be prepared for one of
the (if not *the*) strangest experiences of your life!

Vickie

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From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: My (NSH) opinions on the changes in Blade Runner
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:13:05 GMT


In article <1992Sep21.183144.4214@cs.sfu.ca> jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie
Andrews) writes:
>
>   THE (spoiler rules ok) IS LIFTED FROM THE MOVIE
>   THAT RIDLEY SCOTT MADE AFTER _BLADE RUNNER_, _LEGEND_.

When the Legend was made? (Also when it was released?)

Juhana Kouhia
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From: awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh)
Subject: THX vs Digital
Reply-To: awalsh@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:51:30 GMT

OK, what's the dif? And is there a list of Digital movie houses 
kicking around somewhere?
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From: krajnatg@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna)
Subject: Re: movies with labelled chapters
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:22:18 GMT

dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell) writes:
>In article <Bv9K7w.JHJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>>rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>>
>>>Let's make a list of movies with "chapters" in them. That is, the film
>>>is broken into segments, each with its own title, but this does not
>>>include films of entirely different stories, like New York Stories.
>>>What I can think of is:
>>
>>>2001
>>>If....
>>>Stranger Than Paradise
>>>Mystery Train
>>Monty Python's Meaning of Life
>>My Blue Heaven
>Mishima:  A Life in Four Parts.

Phase IV

--Tom K.
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From: colinm@prince.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen)
Subject: Re: Your favorite obscure actors!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:36:51 GMT

Bill Paxton - Usually winds up dead!!!


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From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I have a cunning plan...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: A room with a view
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BvnzJ1.BHH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, mec@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marie E. Copertino) writes...
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
> 
> 
>|aroud.  See Daniel Day-Lewis before he pumped up and put on buckskin
>|for _The Last of the Mohicans_!)
> 
> 
>	WHO the heck did DD Lewis play in "A Room With a View" ....
> 
>		NOT Cecil????


YES Cecil!!

hard to believe, isn't it?:-)

I thought he was very good in the part, especially in the scene where
Lucy dumps him. Excellent performance there.


>
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Deckard as 6th Replicant doesn't hold water
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:45:23 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <yZXTRB1w165w@comtch.spk.wa.us>, by mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes):
>   Well, Rachel wasn't physically superior, either, and she has no
> "expiration date".

>   My suggestion is that Deckard may have been given the memories of the
> blade runner who was shot by Leon... 
 
These two do not mix anyway.  In the Director's cut Deckard dreams of
the unicorn, but there is no indication that Rachel will survive her
four years.  In the original edition Rachel may survive, but there is
no indication at all that Deckard is a replicant. 
 
>   Or not.  It could also be that Deck is just human.  And when you get  
> right down to it, that's the simplest explanation.
 
Yes.


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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: next ah-nold film
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:27:21 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

GRD>production called 'The Last Action Hero'. Supposedly, the plot revolves
GRD>around a kid who is watching one of Arnold's movies (an all-too common
GRD>occurrence, IMHO), and then *jumps through the screen* into the movie.
GRD>Can Hollywood and Schwarzenegger really afford to risk 60 million dollars
GRD>on a parody of itself/himself?

     At this time, Ah-nold can do just about anything he pleases.

     By the way, if you ever get the chance to see a 1924 Buster Keaton
     movie called "Sherlock Jr.," then by all means do so!  It's the story
     of a young movie projectionist who sees a movie and walks through the
     screen, entering the film.  Sound familiar?

     "Sherlock Jr." may be one of the most original, funniest, most
     entertaining movies of all time - and that's no exaggeration.  It has
     influenced many of directors over the years, including Woody Allen,
     Jacques Rivette, Bunuel, and even Blake Edwards.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: The Barrymores
Keywords: Barrymore
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.182949.26945@access.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.150847.390@cs.mun.ca> craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Betsy Brett) writes:
>>I know I have read this before, but I cannot remember all the details, and
>>thought someone here may enlighten me.  I know the entire Barrymore family
>>has a history of various abuses.  I have seen a few of John's movies lately
>>and I have seen alot of Lionel over the years, but I don't remember just what
>>it was with these as well as the other Barrymores.  Just what were the vices
>>and what was the cause of their deaths?  I know about Drew, but did these
>>problems exist with the generations in between as well?  
>
>John's talent was matched by his alcoholism, which, of course, eventually
>destroyed him.  His last performances were embarrassments.  His daughter
>Diana became an actress and, like her father, an alcoholic, but she
>finally selected a faster form of suicide.

I believe John Drew Barrymore was also John Barrymore's child, but I
wouldn't swear to it.  If not, he was the son of one of the other well-
known Barrymore's of John and Lionel's generation.  From what I've seen
of his work in the fifties, and what I've heard, he lacked his forebears'
talent, and wasn't as handsome as John Barrymore, either.  I believe he
also had serious alcohol problems, and possibly other drug problems.  I
have a vague recollection of hearing someone tell me that he's still alive,
and a semi-vagrant who wanders around Los Angeles, but I can't place a
source, so I could be entirely wrong about that.

Lionel Barrymore lived to a pretty ripe old age, remaining actively
crotchety for many years.  He couldn't walk very well in later
life, due to some sort of health problem.  I have no idea if that problem
related to substance abuse.

I haven't heard anything about Ethel Barrymore having serious personal
problems, but that may be merely that I know so much less about her.
She was much more interested in the stage than the screen, and I know
relatively little about Broadway in the twenties and thirties.

--
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From: d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang)
Subject: Re: Your Favorite Cameo Appearance in a Film
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:45:37 GMT

Howard Cosell in "Bananas" (though it helps to be old enough to
remember him on Wide World of Sports).

And in the "not as themselves" category:

Frank Oz as a cop in "Trading Places" and a test proctor in "Top Secret".

And Charlotte Zucker, Catherine Scorsese, and Rob Reiner's mom have
gotten good lines and scenes in their sons' movies.  I especially enjoyed
Mrs. Scorsese as Joe Pesci's mom in "Goodfellas", though as my sister
pointed out, she does look at the camera a couple times in the scene
where Pesci comes back for some tools for a burial.

David
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