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From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Quicksilver Shoulder zips?
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:27:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
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In article <29072@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil writes:
> I was checking out the new Quicksilver 4/3 with the twin shoulder zips
> in a shop last week. It also had some of the "Titanium?" thread stuff
> in the chest and back skins.  The idea of no zip up ,the back seems
> like a good one...but....do the zipers chafe at the neck etc.? Has anyone
> tried one o,f these yet?  It was $250(US)
> 
> Body glove has been advertising that "Titanium" lately. Is it real or
> just hype?

   I had one of their last years models, the spider 4/3. 
   It committed hari-kari at most seams by last summer.
   They gave me a brand new one with "titanium micro-flakes" fluff jersy.  
   Free, which was very cool, I have to admit.

   All the seams that used to be taped and glued are now taped and 
   stitched. I've had it since september so I can't say too much but
   nothing has gone wrong and I like it.

   It seems warm, but I doubt it's a whole lot warmer. I'm sure things
   like good seams and fit are still more important. There is a little
   note on the tag saying japanese textile authority proved it to be
   22% warmer, but then again, the japanese make the stuff, so you'd
   expect something like this.

   The marketing argument on the tag, obviously written by a
   southern californian, ;-), says something pretty ridiculous:
   (paraphrased):

   "the titanium flakes get to 98.6 then reflect excess heat
    back to you".

   right.

   The titanium jersey just looks like grey terry-cloth on the 
   backside of their smooth (textured actually) neoprene surface so
   it's only on back, chest and lower arms. 
   I expect it will get pretty raggedy by next winter.

   Ask me again in late february whether it's warm or not. :-).

>    O
>    I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833
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>   /     David Taylor Model Basin
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> 			     \\

                
john m. airey      airey@asd.sgi.com  (415) 390-5248
                   M/S 7U-550 Silicon Graphics, Advanced Graphics Division
                   2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mtn. View, CA 94039
From: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: SC Surf Report
Date: 27 Dec 1992 01:09:50 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: njtravis@lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
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Summary: placid

Saturday, Dec. 26. 
Flat and lovely at Pleasure Point.
I got a good workout chasing possible maybe shifting peaks.

The weather was in the 70's, the water 58. I didn't even get wet
except for the long part of my hair, so I was sweating when I
finished.  Less than 6 people out at once. Flat. Mellow. Warm.

Nice change from home at least. It is in the low 30's in the
North San Francisco Bay and I almost got frostbite strapping
my board down this morning. 

Rumor has it that New Year's Day will be great, since the surf
god will be amused by the licentious consumption of libations.
I think someone needs to sacrifice a board soon....Vounteers?

Nancy Jean Travis
=B-)
From: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: ho ho ho
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:50:40 GMT
Reply-To: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
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OK, Santa, I think you got it major wrong this year!
I tried pretty hard to be good all year...I tried a little bit...

So I decided to go surfing for Christmas instead of doing
the family/presents/party thing. I got up early and put my board
on the Thing and saw this festive snowy crushed glass effect on the
tail as I was strapping it down. I opened the bag and saw the whole
tail was smashed. Ho.ho.ho. It didn't look that way when I hung it up
last.

I'm too big to cry, so I glopped it full of Quick Fix and went anyway.
An hour later, I was standing on the cliffs of Pleasure Point. 
The Pacific looked like the Mediterranean sea, nice day for kayacs. 
The locals were hanging their heads for Christmas. 
Steamer Lane was even worse.
Wave Trak missed this time, forcasting a head high surf for today.
"Well," they said, "maybe the swell is late getting here." 
Merry Christmas.

My tail patch was too wet and temporary to surf anyway. Bah humbug!

Now my freshly modified Christmas-Custom Stewart HydroHull is drying in
front of the fireplace. It used to be a square tail but since the
corners were smashed its now a radical rounded square tail (soon to
be a pintail if my luck keeps up!). 

The swell is probably still on its way.
I have 10 more days off work and Santa owes me!

Nancy

P.S. I got a new surf hat for Christmas-a cowboy hat with a shark on the
front.
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: .gif's on Wave List
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:40:42 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I finally got all the .gif files off the wave-list. It is cool to put
a face with aname now. Lud & John Airey look as I expected but Nigel
looks alot more like a respectable part of mainstream society than the
beer brewin' spleef smokin' drag on the ranks of the dole as I expected.
Hey Nigel, you can take that as an insult or as flatery whichever way
you see fit...............where was that photo taken?   The quality
is great. Quality of the photo....that is! ;)

   O
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: None
Subject: New World Champion
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:26:27 -0800
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 Well, the surfing world has crowned a new world champion,
and nary a work is spoke about it on alt.surfing.  And this
is no ordinary World Champion.  This is a kid who won
the world  championship in his rookie year on the tour (ASP).
He wrapped up the championship by making it through the
3rd round in the next to last event.  He can just stand on the
beach in Hawaii and watch the Pipe Masters. Then collect his
crown when its over. I saw Slater surf last year, and he is GOOD.

  So, why is the surfing community so removed from
the professional aspect of the sport?   When Greg LaMond
won the Tour-De-France, that's all that was talked about
on rec.bicycles for weeks.  What other professional sport is so 
alienated from its amateur ranks? (wrestling not included).
 
  I understand that in Australia professional surfers are well known
and treated better than here in the states.  So maybe it's just a 
"I'm too cool" California thing.  

Danny

-- 
                    Danny Clark, PHD NSWC, Port Hueneme CA
                         danny@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
       The Navy and I share some views, but the ones above are all mine.
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surfers the movie
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:39:20 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

My wife gave me "SURFERS" the movie as a Chanukah present this weekend.
I stayed up until 1:30 watching it after we got home from my folks place.
I said "I'll just watch a little bit and be right up to bed............."
Well, the movie is very good.......lots of great camera work in the
water......old footage from the 50's-60's........wipeouts.....
She also got me "Endless Summer" we all should have that one in our
video quiver.

   O
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From: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: New Year's Surf
Date: 2 Jan 1993 01:25:33 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
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New Year's Day. Got up at 3am after 8 hrs. sleep. B-)
It was raging outside.
I called the Santa Cruz surf shop recording at 5:30:

"Victory at Sea conditions. 20-40 mile onshore winds.
No surf out there.  Don't bother."  

Very short and hostile. 

Duck used the F word.  "How does he know? If you don't want to surf, 
you can stay home and watch FOOTBALL!  
The drive was extremely hostile, with lots of washouts and spinouts on 
the freeway. I felt like a fool. 
I expected Pleasure Point to be a blown out mess.

There was SURF!!! =-0   Lots o rain, but no wind. 
It was deserted except for one guy on the far outside and
2 guys at the Hook.
Insides and the Hook were working together for long rides. 
We paddled out with 2 people we knew and had the place to ourselves til
11:30. It seemed like the surf was better when it rained. 
My first rain surf. I like it =-)
It was definitely the best surf of 1993 so far!
So, you can't always believe the surf reports...

I'm finally getting paddling speed. This means I get more waves in '93.
I used APE gloves for a bit, figured out where they made me sore
(lats) and started doing an exercise that did the same thing: 
a straight arm pulldown on a lat pulley. I even won a paddling challenge
during a lull between sets (it keeps you warm anyway!) 

I figure my surfing won't improve unless I get more waves, and
the faster I can paddle, the more waves I get and the quicker I
can get in the right place. So my New Year's resolution I guess
is more waves. The same to YOU!!!

=B-) Happy 1993
Nancy T
Lost at Sea
From: georgez@asdi.saic.com (George Zabetakis x6371)
Subject: Happy Holidays
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:46:30 PST
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Salutations and Greetings Everyone,
   It's the end of my lurking days with my first post here.  I am hoping we all
get what we want for the holidays.......SURF ( actually we probably want it 
everyday ).  Just wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to every-
one on the net.


					C-ya


					Wedgy
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Organization: Quantum Reef Project (Big Island of Hawaii)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:57:33 GMT

danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) wrote:
>I sure have enjoyed reading about all the injuries you
>stand up surfers get.  Makes me wonder why everybody
>doesn't  bodyboard.    My worst injury ever was from a
>ape head hard board surfer bailing his board in front of me
>(and that was just a bruise).  Oh yes, and I once hurt my
>leg trying to shoot Hueneme Pier. (I did it twice with no
>problem, what a rush!)
>
I always thought that the real reason you guys rode those things was
because you were either handicapped or were recovering from an injury
and were just determined to get in the water until you were healed
enough to get back up on your feet -:)

Sorry Danny, I just couldn't resist:

Every time I come home bleeding my wife says "If you would listen to me
and start bodyboarding you wouldn't keep getting hurt."

Actually I've been injured more often getting to the surf than while
surfing.  My most recent injury (while surfing) happened last Sunday. I
had just kicked out when I dropped my feet to spin around quick, cause
a set was grinding through the inside and I was about to get pounded by
four or five in a row when my left foot hit the top of a coral head. I
felt the Urchin spine go in and then it let go all of it's defender
quills (the fragile, almost transparent kind) and it was instant pain.
By the time I paddled out to a point where I could lift my foot up to
check it, my whole foot was turning blue. I pulled out the black ones
(10 or so) and tried to shine on the fifty or so others. I proceeded to
surf for another two hours with an almost numb foot. I didn't go in and
do what everyone who I've told this story to says I should have (have
your wife peece on it brah) so now It was so swollen I couldn't walk on
it. Well as anyone who has ever had this happen to will tell you can't
get them out, and if you dig, you risk the chance of infection. Soaking
in vinegar makes the skin pucker and they either fall out in a week or
so or dissolve in two-three weeks.

My worst injury (while getting to the surf) happened at Steamer Lane
when I was about ten. This was pre-Stairs days when you either jumped
off the cliff at High tide right above the blow hole or climbed down
the asbestos fire hose where the wood stairs are now. My hands were
small and I couldn't grip the hose that well and fell almost all the
way to the rocks below and landed with my leg twisted under my ass.
Needless to say I didn't surf and was out of commission for a couple
months. After I healed whenever I surfed there I always jumped off the
cliff and paddled around to Cowels to go in.


To be Continued ......

....Bud
-- 
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com

 We have met the enemy, and he is us.
 		-- Walt Kelly
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: freeman@cs.ucf.edu (Holly Freeman)
Subject: Slater (The TV Star?)
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:32:00 GMT

Was flipping channels Sunday night and saw who else
but the new world champ Kelly Slater doing a bit part
in the program "Baywatch".  The program had a little     
footage of him surfing with one nice ollie.
As far as his acting credibility,  well don't expect
him to show up at the Tony awards but not bad for a 
surfer.
From: scott@edstar.ucsb.edu (Scott L. Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: New World Champion
Date: 27 Dec 92 05:02:16 GMT
Organization: University of California at Rincon

In <9212212326.AA00924@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil> danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) writes:


> Well, the surfing world has crowned a new world champion,
>and nary a work is spoke about it on alt.surfing.  And this
>is no ordinary World Champion.  This is a kid who won
>the world  championship in his rookie year on the tour (ASP).
>He wrapped up the championship by making it through the
>3rd round in the next to last event.  He can just stand on the
>beach in Hawaii and watch the Pipe Masters. Then collect his
>crown when its over. I saw Slater surf last year, and he is GOOD.

Actually, he didn't opt to stand on the beach and watch the Pipe Masters
even though he could have.  He wound up winning not only the world title
but the Pipeline Masters also.  Now that's quite a feat!
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Report SIO(12/21)
Keywords: Lake Pacific is back
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:21:29 GMT

I'm here at work early,
the sun is just coming up over the hill,
the sea is that real cool, slate blue color,
and it is FLAT, FLAT, FLAT.

We are in the middle of the spring tides so
things could really change when the tide
goes out, but I doubt it.

All I want for christmas is a ten foot swell,
a ten foot swell is a ten foot swell...


-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Tod Critchlow(tcritchl@ucsd.edu)      |  What the Hell is a
Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   |
From: wamb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (W W Vasconcelos)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: ASP Rankings, please!
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:16:10 GMT
Reply-To: wamb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (W W Vasconcelos)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

hi,

being myself a not-so-participant reader of alt.surfing, i don't think i am
brave enough so as to come up with a new discussion theme -- i was afraid i 
could talk about taboos or infringe implicit laws/dogmas of this newsgroup.

but bearing in mind that someone (actually, two someones) raised the point,
i feel more comfortable to ask you: what's the final ranking of asp this year?
what was the result of the hawaiian triple crown? how was the pipeline contest 
this year? which company sponsored it -- marui, again?

i subscribed SURFER magazine, but nothing's arrived so far. and god knows how
i am hungry for info/waves!! 

all the best,

w
From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: New World Champion
Date: 22 Dec 1992 08:14:10 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <9212212326.AA00924@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil> danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) writes:
>  So, why is the surfing community so removed from
>the professional aspect of the sport?   When Greg LaMond
>won the Tour-De-France, that's all that was talked about
>on rec.bicycles for weeks.  What other professional sport is so 
>alienated from its amateur ranks? (wrestling not included).

I dunno.  Most of the sports I play I don't watch the pros much except
back when I was a "serious" competitor.  Sometimes it drives my boss
nuts that I can play soccer twice a week and have almost no interest
in watching the game or talking about matches he's seen. Every couple
of years I'll go to a international friendly match, or when the
Olympics were a mile from my house I couldn't resist.  And I expect
I'll be there in '94 when the World Cup swings by although I moved
further from the stadium and a lot lot closer to the water. :-)  Its
the same with surfing.  I do it and someday I'll get around to watching
it.  Maybe if I have to move to Santa Cruz in '95 I'll see some of the
comps down there, but so far I haven't noticed anyone showing up on my
beach.  A few years ago some damn good skimboarders showed up and I
watched them for a couple of hours.  I could tell they were good 'cause
of all the movie cameras set up to film them and all the multiple flips
they were pulling.  Sports I don't play I tend to watch more.  Strange,
huh.

>  I understand that in Australia professional surfers are well known
>and treated better than here in the states.  So maybe it's just a 
>"I'm too cool" California thing.  

Maybe its just that there was nobody to watch when I was growing up
bodysurfing on Long Island so I don't ever think of that as the thing to do.

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: roland@sun-3.cs.uct.ac.za (Roland Paterson-Jones)
Subject: Re: ASP Rankings, please!
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:48:34 GMT

In <1992Dec22.091610@aifh.ed.ac.uk> wamb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (W W Vasconcelos) writes:

>i subscribed SURFER magazine, but nothing's arrived so far. and god knows how
>i am hungry for info/waves!! 
Just by the by, what is the best way to go about a foreign subscription to
Surfer Mag. There is a company here called Intermag that import overseas
mags and allow subscription, but I've got a sneaking suspicion that it's
cheaper to go straight to the magasine itself. If so what's the procedure?

>all the best,
for the holiday season (no such luck here).

roland
--
Roland P-Jones			aka roland@uctcs.cs.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town		 or roland@sun-2.cs.uct.ac.za
South Africa
From: BARANSKI@veamf1.nusc.navy.mil (Jim Baranski)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Sex Roles & Control
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:14:40 GMT
Organization: Lanman Hill, Norwich CT
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In <725616049.AA00762@tdkt.kksys.com> Elise@p19.f341.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com writes:

    Oy, does this open up a whole can of sexual politics!

    'fucking' vs 'being fucked' & 'innie' vs 'outie'

    Some lesbians seem to have a deep fear that being fucked will turn them
    straight.

Many such fears are illogical & it is illogical to expect them to belogical! :-)

I've observed recently that there are some things which my partner seems to
like a great deal.  My next thought is, if it's fun for her, perhaps it would
be fun for me!  However, some things are anatomically impossible...

What would it be like to be penetrated instead of penetrating??  Would it feel
different emotionally?

I also have a strong aversion toward involving any type of control in sex.  I
don't like being either dominant or submissive in sex.  It has to be a peer
situation...

Jim.    
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Golden Rules And Me
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:31:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu


In article <C01LH4.CyG@vcd.hp.com> tonyl@vcd.hp.com (Tony Long) writes:

[ an extensive and lucid self-description deleted... ]

> Her position is "If you have an affair I don't want to know 
> about it". 

I am NOT recommending this but:

I am acquainted with a couple in an open marriage
that operates on the above basis.  When I asked why they 
chose this approach rather than one with more 
disclosure, the answer I got was that they were both
extremely prone to jealousy, therefore this worked
better for them.  They have a few other rules, relating
to where and when things are done, all with the
purpose of driving the amount of information exchanged
about possible outside relationships to zero.

Although I'm fairly sure that this kind of set up would
not work for me, nor would I desire it even if it
could work, the couple in question seem to have a healthy 
relationship.


Steve


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