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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Brett Favre
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:58:52 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

I noticed that the Packers won again. Even had a 100 yard rusher (Edgar
Bennet).  I'd like to know how Brett Favre did in this game (I have his
stats but would like an insiders opinion).   This guy becoming a real
favorite of mine and really feel he's gonna be someone BIG real soon.

satish nair
go giants
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Buffalo at Miami
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxtG4o.4uJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-
	CHRIST) writes...

>One thing I forgot to mention, which Bills fans can clear up, is according to
>the Buffalo paper the Bills defense will most like double, triple, and sometimes
>even have four players defending against Kieth Jackson. I would like to know
>who they plan on covering Duper, Clayton, Humphery, and Paige if two or more
>players are going to be on Jackson all night. According to the Bills, stopping
>Kieth jackson is their #1 priority tonight. For the Bills sake I hope their 
>joking cause Marino and the Marks bros. will tear them apart.

Well, it's after the fact, of course, but what we have here is a classic case
of a "psyche job."  That statement the Bills put out was BS, expected to be
read by the Dolphins, when in reality, only SS Henry Jones was expected to
watch Jackson most of the time.

(And the article said 4 or 5 *different* players were to be lined up on KJ,
at different times, not four or five at once.)

>    _____________________________________________________________________
>   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
>   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
>   |_____________________________________________________________________|

					---Chet Zeshonski
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: AFC Dominance???
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:08:01 GMT

In article <4f1uuyW00iUxQ1MUt7@andrew.cmu.edu>, Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Let's see now....
|> 
|> Kansas City beat Washington
|> Houston beat Minnesota
|> Pittsburgh beat Detroit
|> Denver beat New York
|> 
|> That's a refreshing change!
|> 
|> Todd

It was a WEIRD weekend. 

-- 
Cary W Reams | sneakers.ksh <"cary w. reams"
NT/BNR/MTXVO | TOO MANY SECRETS:> wry as a merc.   
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From: doetzl@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Joe Doetzl)
Subject: Time out strategy
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:37:48 GMT

I'm hoping that some student of football strategy can answer the
following question for me.  I've often heard announcers say something
along the lines of Team A is going to use their timeouts before the
2 minute warning so that they can use the 2 minute warning as an extra
timeout.  I don't understand this strategy.  Suppose Team A has 2
timeouts what difference does it make if they take both timeouts before
the 2 minute warning or 1 before and 1 after or both after?  They still
stop the clock 3 times. 

--Joe
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sikahema
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:21:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <009640B1.7A73D900@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>
>
> he was a plan B acquisition from Green Bay this year.
> He fumbled away a game to NY Jets last year in OT.

He also made the Pro Bowls.  I recall him returning a punt for a TD against
the GIANTS when he was with the Cardinals.

>
>		******   ******
>                     *   *
>                ******   ******
>                *             *
>                ******   ******        and counting down .

Total non-sequitor... what does you sig mean??

satish nair
go giants


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From: latone@trixie.ide.com (Joe Latone)
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Organization: Interactive Development Environments
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:05:50 GMT

Isn't there still (or at least I think there used to be) a little-known,
never-used rule that allowed the kick-off team to actually try for the
field goal when kicking it off, where missing it meant
that the opposing team would get possession of the ball at the 
point of the kickoff, i.e., the 35 yard line, today, or what used to be
the 40 yard line (as far back as I could rememebr, anyway)?

I remember the Redskins trying this years ago with Mosley when they
were down by (I forgot the exact amount, but at most) 3 points after 
they had just scored with only 1 second left on the clock -- 
I don't think there's any way to get the ball back with any time left 
on the clock, so what else can you do?

I also don't remember if they were able to use a tee or not,
but I do remember they missed and it wasn't even that close.

-- Joe
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 12:43:05 EST
From: ABHAY <IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: re: <new bet
 <1ef1u2INNa49@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>

trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Barry Trottier) says:
>
>In article <92323.144644IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> ABHAY

>> I am willing to bet that (s)aints will beat skins on monday!!!

>> Anything of the following may constitute a bet
>>
>> 1) a friendly bet
>> 2) A public apology
>> 3)  Denouncing the faith in the team
>> 4)  denouncing the faith in yourself
>> 5)  Living in Maine for whole of the winter  (I do that all the time)
>
>6)  Taking my finals for me next quarter.  (Average length of 3.5 hours and I
>will have 5 of them!)
>
>By the way, I will take it, unless the condition is #5 or #4.  I will take the
>Skins.  (I am not too much of a fan, but I figure I may as well try my luck.)
>
>Barry Trottier

  you look amiable Happy Go Lucky person, I won't make it hard you.

  " a friendly bet"then ?

Go (S)aints, make skins (f)aint!!!

Abhay Thorat
(io10928@maine.maine.edu)-- From The LandOf No Football
From: frankm@martinezjr.EBay.Sun.COM (Frank Martinez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:56:30 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: world
Reply-To: frankm@martinezjr.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: martinezjr.ebay.sun.com

Sam the Ham writes;> Here, I'll post something about the Raiders.

>This Sunday, the GLORIOUS RAIDERS will get clobbered by the Broncos - 
>something along the lines of 33-10.

>I hope you're happy now.

The broncos are nothing more than a horses ass when it come to playing in Super Bowl. 
Raiders over the Broncos by 10

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Tie Breaker: NFC playoffs
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:49:24 GMT

In article <1ee8ksINNrao@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I tried to follow a thread in here about tiebreakers and the playoffs
|> but it got too complicated. Just who leads the NFC, Dallas or the
|> 49'ers?
|> 
|> 
|>   			Won   Lost   Tie   Pct.   PF    PA
|>  Dallas (NFC E) 	8      2      0    .800   247   152	
|>  SF     (NFC W)         8      2      0    .800   292   172
|> 
SF wins tie-breaker due to better conference record. 
Their losses are split between the AFC and NFC. Both Dallas
losses are to the NFC. Worse yet (for Dallas), since one of
Dallas losses was to Philly, SF would win on a divisional
tie-breaker if it came to that. With six games to go.
Both SF and Dallas have one AFC game remaining.


|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> "There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
|>     distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
|>                       Kenneth Boulding                             
|> 
|> 					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
|> 						david@cats.ucsc.edu.

-- 
Cary W Reams | sneakers.ksh <"cary w. reams"
NT/BNR/MTXVO | TOO MANY SECRETS:> wry as a merc.   
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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles #1 Quarterback
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:17:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

[stuff deleted]

>Philly needs to use his running ability, so that opposing defenses have
>another thing to worry about. But if Kotite still believes in what he said
>in his press conference, that the offensive scheme will not change depending
>on the QB, then i think it is time for the EAGLES to think about trading their
>franchise player.
>
>-Rajeev
>
>GO CUNNINGHAM, SILENCE YOUR CRITICS ON SUNDAY.
>GO E-A-G-L-E-S...
>
Or bag the coach!
-- 

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|   Gail A. Fullman    |
|   Manager - ADMO     |
|   Ext. 83113         |
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: 'Gang Green' (Re: Eagles' wings clipped, mouths run free)
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:45:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.143734.3337@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.230725.27737@microsoft.com>, richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov18.145848.21249@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

>> I have to chuckle every time I see the Philly Defense referred to as "Gang
>> Green".  That was an apellation applied to a once formidable Green Bay
>> defence.  I salute the originality of the Philly Phans and Phront Ophphice.

>WOW!  You mean to tell me there are people on this newsgroup that are
>old enough to remember a time when Green Bay was formidable?  What is
>that Packer defense refered to now?  GANG GERITOL?

I think the Eagles found Green Bay to be sufficiently formidable
last week.  W.r.t. how old we have to be to remember Gang Green
(as opposed to Philly's nouveau Gang Green), I think the Packer
defense took that nickname in the late 70s or early 80s, quite
possibly one of the two years then that they were at the top of
the division (ok, in '78 they tied for first but lost the tie
breaker, and '82 was a strike-shortened season...).  At any rate,
the nickname was used pretty recently in Green Bay.

It is really curious that sportscasters don't point out the the
Eagles are using another team's defensive nickname, but I think we
can just chalk that up to a lack of professionalism.  

-- 
      "C'mon, what's the big hold up?!  Let's go, up there!
		  Bring on the snow!"  -- Calvin

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)
Subject: Late scores
Originator: cs902043@a03.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:33:20 GMT


I'm stuck in a computer lab- Can anyone post the Dallas at Phoenix score!

Thanks
Shawn
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: FINAL - NINERS WIN!
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov23.002004.22793@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes...
>FINAL:
>Niners 27  Rams 10  
> 
>Watters was magnificent. Watters ran and caught the ball.
>Watters has developed into great running back for the
>Niners type of offense. He can run and catch the ball.
>Watters had 26 carries 163 yards: 2 TDs.

See Spot.  
See Spot run.  
Run, Spot, run!

[Vicious, yeah, but I'm *feeling* vicious...]

>The second half ended with  Niners  10  Rams  0

>In the 2nd half, the Rams defense tightned up and the game was
>a see-saw battle.  The Niners and Rams actually played each 
>good, but the 49ers finally get the upper hand in the end.

>Young to Rice TD, 42 yards!! I still think Young is
>not hooking up enough with Rice. Rice was wide open
>several times and Young's timing was just not there.
>Oh well, can't have everthing.

Rice made that catch by himself.  The ball was underthrown (I like Steve Young,
but the truth's the truth.)

>Cofer made two FG's: 40 yd and 34 yds.
>All in all, the Rams played tough and had me worried
>until the last 10 minutes of the game. Whew! Watters
>was certainly the MAN today.

In that game, yeah.  But I kinda liked the production of that garbage runner,
the man who couldn't play anywhere else, who sits behind the best in the game--
KENNETH DAVIS.

>-- 
>        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
> 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
>	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain

"Do not adjust your TV set.  315 yards on the ground, 35-0 in 16 minutes..."

					---Chet Zeshonski
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: STEELERS VS. LIONS - WHAT HAPPENED???
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:00:01 GMT

In article <dchou.721954181@husc8> dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:

   HI...I couldn't get any highlights or anything concerning the Steelers
   Detroit contest, which was closer than I thought at least as far as
   score was concerned...anyone care to comment on some highlight, relate
   what happened, etc?  Which Barry did better?  Thanks.

I didn't see the game, but it looks like the Lions played pretty well on the
score board and in the stats.  They had 4 fumbles, and I believe two ints.
One of the fumbles was after Barry Sanders was stopped at the Pittsburgh 2
after a 40+ yard run, the next play we fumbled it away.  The other big fumble
was when Kramer was blindsided by a wicked hit (clean and nasty, just like
football is supposed to be played) from Woodson.  Fumble and pickup taken
down to the Lions 2, where Brister converted.

If I remember right, the Lions had a *slight* edge in most offensive
categories, but had a huge deficit on turnovers.  Foster out rushed Sanders,
I believe it was about 115 to about 94.  Some of the details could be wrong,
I read the summary yesterday.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
From: RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE ZANDBERGEN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Trivia
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:40:09 GMT
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)

Re: trivia question who was the last player to run, receive, pass and
return for a TD in one season.
I'm pretty sure this was Walter Payton. I remember a remark to this effect
from one game during his last season, when Perry pushed Payton into the
enzone with some force (Payton was carrying the ball at the time).
The commentators then said that in addition to the feat of this trivia
question, Payton must be the only player ever to be thrown in for a TD.

Rene Zandbergen
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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: 49ers release Green
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:20:53 GMT

The 49ers released defensive end Jacob Green yesterday, just a couple of
weeks after picking him up. He was used very little while he was here.

This move frees up a roster spot which was not immediately filled. The
most obvious choice is to activate Dexter Carter, but the 49ers are going
to wait a day or two to see how the tight end situation develops. Brent
Jones is still sore from last week's game, and if he's not available to
play then they only have Jamie Williams at tight end.

=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     think they are; they think we
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    men know a lot more than we
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   really do."
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Tim the Toolman
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From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboy Bandwagon
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:44:57 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.182845.3613@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>
>This is the same refrain uttered by every losing coach since George 
>Hallas wore knickers.  Up here in Green Bay were sick of hearing it.  
>The fact is that almost every losing team can point to a handful of 
>plays that went against them and caused them to lose some games.  

No doubt about it.  But, what the original poster, and myself, tried
to point out was that it was pretty amazing that year how many games
came down to one play, near the end of the game, and none of them
went in Dallas' favor.  Nobody is saying it's anybody fault but their
own, but just the uncanniness of missing each time on a game making
play.


Ray     GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:40:08 -0500 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills

On 17-Nov-92 in Christie saves Bills         
user lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>O.K. so maybe the Dolphins DID lose on Monday night, but at the half they were
>clearly the better team.  I agree that the Bills did win the game and I'm not
>saying that they didn't deserve to win, but if the Dolphins can avoid things
>like the 3rd quarter drought they had, they could beat anyone.  What I want to
>know is how in hell did Buffalo win?
>        Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only had
>only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  Kelly didn't have a
>good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches.  
>        As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
>TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.  Higgs kept the running game
>going!
>        As a Dolphin fan, I'd just like to say that I think the Bills got
>lucky.  Granted, they pulled it off, but not my playing well.  Hey Shula...
> 
>Good Game!!!!!
> 
>    Kurt
>        
>(LYLE5741@iscsvax.uni.edu)
> 
This loser should have taken THE BET II.  Yeah, I know I didn't, but I
should have.  I'm entering the BET III now to put to rest all the losers
who'll say I've got no balls.

The facts about the game:
1. The Dolphins won the first half.
2. The Bills won the second half.
3. The second half turned out to be more important.
Hate to say it, Kurt, but if you don't play the whole game - you ain't
gonna win.

Granted, the Bills are a weaker team without Christie.  He's an
important addition.  The Dolphins have a bunch of guys, who, if they
lost, would weaken the team.  Every team does.  Reality Check, Kurt - if
a team loses their important players, they're not gonna do as well.  If
you think the Dolphins are immune - their line didn't look so hot with
their starting center out did it?  I'm sick and fucking tired of all
sorts of whiners saying that a given team is nothing without a given
player or group of players.

Were it not for Kelly's good passing, the Bills strong defensive work,
Christie's FGs, Thomas's running for 154 yards, Bruce Smith, Daryl
Talley, Cornelius Bennett,  Andre Reed, James Lofton, Don Beebe, Keith
McKeller, Metzelaars, Kenneth Davis and maybe a couple of other players
- Buffalo would have gotten killed.  I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU STUPID BUFFALO
FANS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

Get a life and a clue, Kurt.  (they're on sale now!)  The Bills, with
their much improved defense, excellent special teams play, and the
ever-potent offense, will win the AFC.


Erik Witte
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:31:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxxFK6.F47
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


In an earlier posting somebody had mentioned that the Vikings'
magic number in the NFC-Central is 3. It is 4 for a win 
and 3 for a tie. Since Greenbay & Chicago are 4-6 and with
6 games remaining, they can at the maximum go 10-6 if they
go 6-0, the rest of the way.  I think Minnesota should be
more worried about the young Packers, who are playing some
good football currently.

That is why the next game of the Vikes with the Browns is
crucial, which will determine whether the Vikes are going
to put a strangle-hold on their division. I only hope that
the Vikes do not make their last regular season game with
the Pack at the Metrodome a game of any great significance
within their division.  But if it means that the game has
an effect on the home field placements in the playoffs, then
I welcome it. :-):-):-)

S.H
From: zaidioa@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Omar A. Zaidi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL odds question
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:50:07 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: barbara.cs.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov18.134738.1@minnie.imd.nrc.ca> kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca writes:
>I checked the paper for the odds today and found two games
>listed as follows:
>
>N.Y. Giants v Philadelphia,off
>L.A. Raiders v Denver,off
>
>What does the "off" mean? 
>
>KM
>

I think it means that the line is even.. i.e either team could win.

correct me if I'm wrong tho


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: statz@gagme.chi.il.us (Louis B. Del Boccio)
Subject: *+* STATZ Week #12 Predictions *+*
Originator: statz@gagme
Keywords: pick THE statz
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:50:41 GMT

>>Well here we are at week # 12. Last week I took a little beating.
  I was 7-7  years total= 90-40 vs the spread. This week will
  work better  I have a good feeling about this week..............

  G.B. = 24    |  S.F. = 27   |  Clev  = 21   |  Wash  = 21   |  Phil  = 26
  Chi  = 26    |  Rams = 23   |  Minn  = 28   |  N.O.  = 27   |  Giants= 24

  Dall = 26    |  Atla = 20   |  Det   = 23   |  Den   = 24   |  Hous  = 21
  Phoe = 23    |  Buff = 27   |  Cinn  = 27   |  Raider= 28   |  Mia   = 26

  Jets = 23    |  Indy = 17   |  T.B.  = 27   |  K.C.  = 26
  N.E. = 24    |  Pits = 31   |  S.D.  = 26   |  Seat  = 23

>> Well thats my picks for the week. GOOD LUCK with your own picks...

> statz