HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 5983AC@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Subject: RE: (6602) Can I use other CDC goodies?
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6639
Organization: unspecified
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:05:00 EST

Hello,

I am with the CDC National AIDS Clearinghouse, the originator of the
AIDS Daily Summary.  Basically, any information produced and 
distributed by CDC (or the Federal government for that matter) is
considered "in the public domain" and is not bound by copyright or
other such restriction from duplication.  Information from the
dataset can be reproduced just as you would the AIDS Daily Summary,
the MMWRs, or the Surveillance Report.

Anne Wilson
Systems Coordinator
CDC National AIDS Clearinghouse

Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
From: Grace Huerta <AZGCH%ASUACAD.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: (6632) ATN #164
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6637
Organization: unspecified
Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:40:03 MST

Greetings Sci.Med. AIDS Newsgroup. This is day two of my being a member of this
list and I am already overwhelmed, amazed and grateful for the WEALTH of info
being shared. Thank you.

Here's my background and problem: I am a second-year doctoral student in the
Dept. of Educational Policy at Arizona State Univ. The subject of my disserta-
tion will consist of an ethnography exploring the implementation of Arizona's
AIDS education mandate in grades K-12. Mostly I want to focus on the inter-
actions between teachers and Latino students. During the course of my studies
thus far, I have had to discuss my project in a number of my classes at the
university. One of my peers approached me after class this semester and showed
me a letter dated, March 1990. It was a notification from a Los Angeles chpt.
of the Red Cross stating that his blood tests were indeterminate, with the
likelihood that he was positive for HIV 2.

At that, I recommended a county office for further testing. Following Thanks-
giving he received the same results. He has been advised to consult an intern-
ist for further testing of t-cells count/deficits etc. We are presently complet
ing finals and he wants to pursue care in L.A. He has no insurance, and is a
homophobic male (but appears to be working on it...he has no choice, eh?) So I
put out to this list, what is HIV 2, what kind of help should my colleague pur-
sue and how can I help without being presumptive or intrusive? Thanks for
reading....

***************************************
Grace C. Huerta
Arizona State University,College of Ed.
Div.of Ed.Leadership & Policy Studies
Tempe, AZ 85287-2411
602-965-6357
***************************************
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
From: Billi Goldberg <bigoldberg@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Another Interesting Book
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6619
Organization: unspecified
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:01:16 PST

I am reading another interesting book about AIDS titled "AIDS INC." 
Scandal of the Century by Jon Rappoport. It was published in 1988 by 
Human Energy Press, Suite D, 370 West San Bruno Avenue, San Bruno, 
California 94066.

It provides another focus of AIDS contrary to the establishment. Drug 
usage, antibiotics, chemicals and Kaposi's Sarcoma are covered in 
detail. This interests me very much as I am beginning to believe that KS 
is nothing more severe immunosuppression. As stated before, many 
transplants recipients, treated with immunosuppressive drugs so as not 
to reject the transplants, get KS. When the drug usage stops, the KS 
goes away.

It is hard for me to fathom how using drugs for the treatment of HIV 
that are immunosuppressive can help an already suppressed immune system.

Billi Goldberg
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
From: infmx!hartman@uunet.UU.NET (Robert Hartman)
Subject: New malaria vaccine: kills infected cells
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6652
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:41:17 GMT

I just heard a BBC science broadcast in which they described a new
vaccine for the Malaria parasite.  Briefly, this vaccine works by
stimulating a human lymphocyte antigen (HLA) response within an
infected cell.  The HLA attaches to a fragment of the parasite and
presents it at the cell membrane for recognition by killer T cells.  T
cells that recognize the fragment then destroy the infected cell.

According to the article, there is no guarantee that this approach will
destroy all infected cells.  However, it does contain and eliminate or
reduce symptoms in persons with natural immunity to Malaria.  Where
HIV is concerned, that might be good enough.

Does anyone know if this approach is being used in any of the proposed
vaccines against AIDS?

-r
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Seroconversion?
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Archive-Number: 6626
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:55:04 GMT

Can someone tell me what it is?

Thanks,

Steven
Newsgroups: sci.med.aids
From: rpetsche@mrg.tmc.edu (Rolfe G. Petschek)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Transmission
Note: Copyright 1992, Dan R. Greening. Non-commercial reproduction allowed.
Reply-To: rpetsche@mrg.PHYS.CWRU.Edu (Rolfe G. Petschek)
Archive-Number: 6623
Organization: CWRU Physics Department
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.170814.22295@cs.ucla.edu> bhjelle%carina.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu () writes:

>This reflects on something I have wondered about for some time...
>how often are cases of heterosexually-transmitted HIV wrongly
>ascribed to IV drug usage? Just imagine if one of the 52
>seropositive women had a past history of drug usage- that
>would have then been the "risk category" for that person.
>
>I do wish there was a way to look into that.

This is, in principle possible:
Interview many women determining if they have had heterosexual sex,
if they are IV drug abusers and if they are HIV positive.  If they have
had heterosexual sex and/or are IV drug abusers, if possible (to check)
determine if they have had sex with HIV+ men and/or if they have used
risky IV drug proceedures.  List all the resultant likelihoods e.g.
the probabilty that a woman is HIV+ given that she is an IV drug abuser
whether or not she has had heterosexual sex (p), the probability that 
she is HIV+ given she has had heterosexual sex whether or not she is an
IV drug abuser, etc. etc.  Statistical analysis of this data in
principle will give an idea as to the rates at which persons with
multiple risk factors are `incorrectly' ascribed to a `wrong' risk
factor.  Such a study would be easier in males were the rates are
higher.

Personally it would be my expectation that persons who have sex have
probability p of being HIV- and persons who are IV drug abusers have 
probability q of being HIV- then the probability r that persons who both
have sex and are IV drug abusers are HIV- is less than pq. To say x% of 
the cases are due to sex, y% to IV drug abuse you really need pq=r.
This expectation follows from a variety of feelings including the fact
that risky sex / prostitution is correlated with IV drug abuse and that
sex with a person who is HIV+ (e.g. contracted by IV drug abuse) is
more likely if you yourself are an IV drug abuser.  I also believe that
the fraction of women who are IV drug abusers who are HIV+ is very
significantly larger than the fraction of women who have heterosexual
sex (even promiscuous heterosexual sex) and are HIV+.  This likely means
that virtually all cases in IV drug abusing women are ascribed to the IV
drug abuse and that this, while incorrect, does not *seriously* overstate
the risks of IV drug abuse or *seriously* understate the risks of
heterosexual sex.

--
Rolfe G. Petschek			Petschek@cwru.bitnet
Associate Professor of Physics		rgp@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University		(216)368-4035 
Cleveland Oh 44106-7079
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:52:12 EST
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
 <92351.153826DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> <BzDIG5.DKv@acsu.buffalo.edu>

In article <BzDIG5.DKv@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy
Brown) says:
>
>In article <92351.153826DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>, DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>>In article <BzBHyG.4vJ@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu     y
>(Pegg
>>Brown) says:
>>>
>>>In article <gdavis.724433998@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
>>>writes...
>>>>
>>
>>What do you mean by socialized medicine?  Do you have any evidence
>>that physicians in Germany, Canada, France, Britain, etc. are mediocre?
>>
>
>Nope, but I've seen plenty of civil service workers.  In these
>systems everyone gets the same increases/benefits whether they
>perform an adequate job or an exceptional job.
>
>So after being in a system like this for awhile, the top
>performers figure out that its stupid to knock themselves silly
>to do a good job when they get paid as much to do an adequate
>job.
>
>I think this kind of system encourages mediocrity.

I hope you don't mind if I await further proof (other than your beliefs)
that Canadian (or German or French) doctors are of poorer quality. :)

Canadian (and Franch and German) doctors have a wide income variation and
earn more compared to other workers within their countries.  I see no
evidence that they don't "knock themselves silly" for their patients (or
for that matter, that American physicians' higher incomes results from them
"knocking themselves silly" for their patients).  Incomes may be higher for
a number of reasons, only one of which is better quality. Higher incomes may
not necessarily attract better quality medical students, though it will
certainly attract those who are more interested in money.

Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Asbestoes levels
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:32:15 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <ByrIM8.1q2@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

>
>The building I work in had asbestos removal done this past July.  
>One of the removal sites was in a hallway directly outside my 
>office.  They built us a temporary door further down the hall and 
>there was plastic hung all over.  They also took up the floor 
>tiles and washed the area with a chemical that stunk to high 
>heaven.  I worked from home for 3 days.  We have no windows and 
>very poor ventilation in our office.  One office full of 
>people insisted on being relocated to another location for a few 
>weeks due to the smell.
>
>Anyway, I was wondering what my chances of having breathed in 
>asbestos are?  I work in a New York State building (in a medical 
>school), so I expect everything was strictly regulated, but who 
>knows.
>

This is exactly why it is foolish to go ripping the stuff out of
all the old buildings.  They did the same at the VA hospital here.
It isn't possible to say if you breathed in too much asbestos.
Probably not, it is the construction workers who take most of the
risk, but possible.

>Turns out I became pregnant about this time too.  I like to think 
>that it couldn't harm the baby because I'm breathing for him, but 
>I know little about asbestos removal.

Any harm done will probably be to you.  I don't think asbestos can
cross the placental barrier.




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Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: azithromycin?
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:29:16 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 20

I thought that the most interesting thing about azithromycin was its 5-day,
rather than 10-day dosing reg.  However, I recently saw a "thing" on Lifetime
Medical TV (which, at first, I thought was an "infomercial" for Zithromax, but
apparently not...) which seemed to indicate that azithromycin was fundamentally
different from its predecessors (in the erythromycin family) because ... (I
wasn't sure I understood this part...) it accumulates between, rather than just
inside of, tissue cells, & therefore keeps being absorbed by the cells for some
time after discontinuation of the drug. (???) (Don't know if thats right.)

My ignorance in cell biology is now on full display (sorry), but I'm
curious to know whether this is a real breakthrough in delivery of the drug, or
in knowledge of bioavailability, or cell metabolism, or is it just new w.r.t.
this particular family of drugs, or is this just a bunch of hype being spewed
out by the salescritters who are trying to make a modest new drug sound much
more interesting than it actually is?  Sorry if this is such an elementary
question that I should have learned it in Freshman bio class.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: habersch@husc10.harvard.edu (Oren Haber-Schaim)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Chapped lips and Vaseline
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:03:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.habersch.724309435
Distribution: na

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

 (Alice Sanders) writes:
 >>Yikes!

>It is sounds bogus, there's a good chance it IS bogus.
>I wouldn't worry about it.
>Steve Dyer

A kneejerk reaction no better thought out than the syntax used
to state it.

In a conventional list of recognized occupational cancer hazards, the
category "petroleum, petroleum coke, 
WAX, creosote, shale,and 
MINERAL oils" appears (emphasis mine).  The corresponding "organs affected"
are "nasal cavity; larynx; lung; SKIN; scrotum" (emphasis mine).  

Although one might assume that petrolatum is a relatively mass-uniform
mix of intermediate molecular-weight hydrocarbons, 
_wax_ and _mineral oils_ (both the heavier and lighter hydrocarbon fractions)
can be mixed to get an intermediate consistency.

Once these substances are applied, their presence can be measured months, 
if not years, after one ceases exposure.
 
And given other information, such as that mice have shown susceptibility
to cancer when painted with petroleum mixtures such as petrolatum, my humble 
conclusion is that it is prudent to seek alternatives if using the stuff on a
chronic daily basis.  In particular, to do so if it is used long term on
extensive areas of skin, or on small areas which have particularly permeable
skin or are cancer prone.  

The sky is not falling.  If you love it, use it to your heart's content.


Oren Haber-Schaim
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:04:27 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <BzB0IB.89F@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
 (Gary Merrill) writes:
>Yeah.  Naturally when you take a child to the pediatrician and the child
>presents with classic symptoms of scarlet fever the pediatrician
>cultures the skin.  Who are you trying to kid?  It is these kinds of
>misdirected and specious responses that weaken your own position.

Gee, as I recall, I gave that example because you were claiming that
scarlet fever (unlike schizophrenia) could be proven by some culture
or test.  Now, when I point out that there is no simple test that
makes the distinction, you say basically that it's a clinical
diagnosis (I'm assuming that line about culturing the skin was
sarcastic, though on re-reading, I'm not sure.  If you were being
serious about culturing the skin, I think you might go read up
on scarlet fever after completing your study of schizophrenia.)

>|> |> The reason you have been getting the responses you've gotten is
>|> |> that you are truly posting out of ignorance.  Why don't you see if
>|> |> you can get a tour of your local state psychiatric institute and
>|> |> try to find people who you think are being held against their
>|> |> will just because they don't fit some psychiatrist's view of
>|> |> "normal".

>Not at all.  Your above suggestion states quite clearly that I should
>*try* to find people who are being held against their will.

I think you should re-read the above.  I didn't suggest that it is
hard to find people held against their will (that's why there are
locked state psychiatric facilities.)  Rather that you might
change your understanding of why they are being held against their
will if you actually met some such people.


-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
Newsgroups: sci.med.physics
Subject: Re: Meassuring magnetic fields around power lines?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:26:53 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
NNTP-Posting-Host: moulder.radbio.mcw.edu

 > A friend who is researching different environmental effects
> on the human embryo . . . 
> 
> (1) Which different kinds of (electro-)magnetic fields can be 
> expected around powerlines?

Electrical field (50/60 Hz):
Edge of distribution right-of-way (ROW): 0.5-5 V/m
Edge of transmission ROW: 200-1000 V/m
Within transmission ROW: 2000-5000 V/m
Within homes: 2-500 V/m

Magnetic field (50/60 Hz):
Edge of distribution ROW: 5-10 mGauss
Edge of transmission ROW: 10-100 mGauss
Within transmission ROW: 200-2000 mGauss
Within homes: 0.5-500 mGauss

> (2) What kind of meassuring equipment is required to determine 
> the properties of these fields?

Measuring magnetic fields can be done with portable meters.  The 
E-field is a little harder, but not too bad.  

But measuring ambient fields is not the real problem; yhe big 
problems are:
1)  Assessing the actual current densities that are induced.
2)  Designing an experimental exposure system in which known, 
uniform and reproducible fields can be produced without 
artifacts (noise, heating, viabration).

See:  

LE Anderson. ELF:  exposure levels, bioeffects, and 
epidemiology. Health Phys 61:41-46, 1991.

A Leonard et al. Electric and magnetic fields:  Measurements and 
possible effects on human health from appliances, power lines, 
and other common sources. The Health Physics Society's 
Newsletter 19:13-17, 1991.

MA Stuchly et al. Cancer promotion in a mouse-skin model by a 60-
Hz magnetic field:  I.  Experimental design and exposure system. 
Bioelectromagnetics 12:261-271, 1991.

I would read the literature very carefully before venturing into 
this field of research.  Two papaers to start with:

L Dlugosz et al. Congenital defects and electric bed heating in 
New York State:  A register-based case-control study. Amer J 
Epidem 135:1000-1011, 1992.

TS Tenforde,  WT Kaune. Interaction of extremely low frequency 
electric and magnetic fields with humans. Health Phys 53:585-
606, 1987.

John Moulder (jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu)      414-266-4672
Radiation Biology Group
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisc     
Newsgroups: sci.med.physics
From: cerjak@fwi.uva.nl (Rolf Peter Cerjak (I87))
Subject: Meassuring magnetic fields around power lines?
Summary: Request for info about meassuring magnetic fields around high voltage
Keywords: medical physics
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:01:11 GMT


Dear All,

A friend who is researching different environmental effects on the human
embryo, came to me with the following questions. He intends to find out
the effect of (electro-) magnetic fields, induced by high voltage 
powerlines. To get things started, he needs two questions to be answered.

(1) Which different kinds of (electro-)magnetic fields can be expected
    around powerlines?

(2) What kind of meassuring equipment is required to determine the properties
    of these fields? (Does it take some small gadget or a whole mobile lab?)

As I could not come up with any precise answers, expert information
is deeply appreciated. Please be so kind to mail to me (in Amsterdam) and/or
to Aemil himself (in Gainesville), any answers you came up with.

Rolf Peter Cerjak
Department of computer science, University of Amsterdam.
cerjak@gene.fwi.uva.nl

Aemil Peters
Gyneacology, University of Florida
apeters.obgyn@mhs1.sth.ufl.edu

Newsgroups: sci.med.physics
From: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
Newsgroups: sci.med.physics
Subject: Cancer Risks at Hanford (Q)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:36:16 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin
Reply-To: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
NNTP-Posting-Host: moulder.radbio.mcw.edu
Keywords: Hanford, radiation, cancer, Stewart

Recently there has been considerable press coverage in the US of a report by 
Alice Stewart and George Kneale of "excess" cancer in workers at Hanford.  

Does anyone know anything more about this study than what was in the press??

John Moulder (jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu)      414-266-4672
Radiation Biology Group
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisc
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Getting off Xanax
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:08:39 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote:
> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
>> Mark, I haven't seen a single withdrawal-from-hell story about Valium
>> here on sci.med, and I've seen loads of them about Xanax.  Not to suggest
>> anything silly like Valium lacks addictive potential.  I'm just saying
>> Xanax is specifically worse.  Much worse.
> Um, has it occurred to you that Xanax is still heavily promoted and
> widely used, while Valium had its heyday in the late 60's and the 70's??
> Listen, Bob, you're betraying your young age or your innocence or both.
> Horror stories about Valium were a dime a dozen back then.

I think you've got your chronology wrong.  I met someone going through
diazepam withdrawal around 1973 and had never heard of it from anywhere
else before then; it had completely replaced barbiturates for minor
tranquillization years before that.  The first horror story about
benzodiazepine addiction I read was in an Australian anarchist paper in
1974 (the drug in question being chlordiazepoxide, though the writer
thought thioridazine had fucked his life up even more); no mass-circulation
paper would then have touched such a theme.  It was only in the early 80s
that the first reports of real addiction resulting from ordinary
prescribing for minor anxiety got into the mass media - a delay of well
over ten years from the drug's rise to popularity.  "I'm Dancing as Fast As
I Can", the first airport paperback to give it the Hollywood seal of
approval, dates from 1983 or so.

Now maybe we just get paranoid about these things faster nowadays.  But
the history of the concern about these two drugs *has* been different.

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