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From: S112397@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Re: You Could Win Big Money...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:57:03 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

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>From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
>Subject: Re: You Could Win Big Money...
>Date: 13 Dec 1992 00:47:31 +0100
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>In <1992Dec11.181837.7834@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutch

>>Basically, the 520 has 512K RAM and the 1040 has 1Mb RAM.  Other differences
>>can abound, however, depending on how old the system is.  Some 1040's did
>>not have an RF modulator (therefore no hook up to a TV), early 520's did
>>not have a built in floppy drive, etc.  Just look before you leap.

>Huh? I never came across a 520 with a  floppy  built  in.  Always
>thought all 1040's had one and all 520 don't.
>In general, I think one can tell from the  complete  system  name
>whether  a  floppy  or  an  RF  modulator  are  built in from the
>lowercase letters after the  "ST".  An  "f"  indicates  a  floppy
>drive, and an "m" stands of an RF modulator, e.g. a 520 STm has a
>modulator but no disk drive, and a 1040 STf has a  drive  but  no
>modulator etc. Both models do exist.
>However, the correlation between the number in  the  system  name
>and  the amount of RAM does not seem to work 100% -- I once heard
>there was a 520  ST+  with  1  MB  of  RAM,  no  disk  drive,  no
>modulator.

Additionally there is the 520STfm with bothdrive and modulator(I have one)
^^
>Greetinx, Jan


 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
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From: dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: accelerators
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:43:07 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <qNJLVB1w165w@cyberden.uucp>, kronos@cyberden.uucp writes:
> I'm checking out accelerator boards for my ST. I've heard of one in the 
> Atari Explorer for $120 or so. Does anyone know of it or where it can be
> found. Else, what accelerators are suggested.
> 
> __________________________________________________________________________
>    |       /         |\
>    | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ kronos@cyberden.uucp ]



  Oersinally, I would suggest ADSPEED for your system.  It is a 16MHz
accelerator and works beutifully.  It is by ICD.  There is also a company
called Fast Tech.  They make accelerators as well.  BUt I have not had agood
experience with them and can not recommend them.  BUpport once purchased is
nonexistant.

Mark Santora
From: bbaird@cs.strath.ac.uk (Brian A Baird CS92)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon: Nothing yet...
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:20:52 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1g6ub4INNjg1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> anamr@cats.ucsc.edu (Ana M Rodriguez) writes:
>
>Acording to Atari Corp head office in Sunnyvale, CA:  The Falcon is not
>shipping yet!!!!
>
>They say that the machines may ship as early as Dec. 21st!  Don't count on it.
>Most likely the shipping will be delayed till after the Holiday Break.  Look
>for the Falcon in early January.  
> 
>Atari is said to be reworking the RF shielding on the first units...
>
>More delays, argh!!!
>
>When we get the word, you will see it here.
>
>Chow.

In the U.K. the latest news is that suppliers are hoping for an initial batch
in late January,but are expecting it to come at the end of February.Some places
are even saying March at the earliest.
Not bad for a machine which was supposed to be first to Britain in October.

I personally think that Atari,once more, have missed the boat with the Falcon 
just because of the delay in shipping,poor case and general hassles.

But I will still be buying mine when they are shipped.

	Brian.
  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ens@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Re: Best Llamatron Score
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:13:14 GMT

In <1992Dec17.085331.4393@cs.utwente.nl> baumer@cs.utwente.nl (Han Baumer) writes:

>christof@wowbagger.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Christoph Koerner) writes:
>> My high scores : 2.56 mil - with droid (lev 179 I think)
>>                  1.63 mil - without droid (lev 94)
>> 
>> Cheers, Christoph

>I think these scores are quite impossible. How can anyone possibly be 
>fast enough to beat the two tanks and a laser in level 70 ore so! I
>think it is impossible. 

It's an age thing I think.  It certainly is impossible if you are over
35. But my 5 year-old can reach level 90 with the droid. He takes
great delight in knocking 'DAD' off the top 10 list whenever I
struggle to get it up there.... last time was a year ago.

Werner

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jsa@rcinet (JEFF S. ANDREWS)
Subject: HP DeskJet 500C Color Printer compatability
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: HP, HP500C, DeskJet, Color Printer
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:53:00 GMT

Since HP has their newest line of DeskJet printers out now - the 550 and the
550C (mono & color, respectively), the price on the 500C has fallen
dramatically (almost $200 less).  So, I am seriously considering getting a
500C for my Mega4STe/1040ST computers.  Has anyone ever used HP DeskJet
printers with ST's?  Are there incompatibilities?  Are there any special
drivers, etc., that I will need to get?  Any info will be appreciated, so
please reply with whatever you insight you may have.  I don't have much time
before I have to decide.  Thanks in advance.     8^> 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro)
Subject: Re: I am NOT making this up, OK?  (was Re: Closed ... <ho hum>)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:09:05 GMT

In article <1gnve3INNhd9@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David  
Baggett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.193731.1968@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:
>>I, on the other hand, wondered just what the hell David was doing  
talking to
>>folks at Atari who had obviously never programmed on an ST in the first  
place.
>>LYNX programmers ... for crying out loud.
>
>It's just *amazing* to me how you can twist everything around so that
>it's not Atari's fault.  We met with the group that was the Falcon
>games development group.  Many of them happened to have been Lynx
>programmers.  Any cluelessness on their part with respect to the Atari
>computers was certainly beyond our control.
>
>Dave Baggett

Dave,
  I think you missed his point.  He was not criticizing you, but rather  
Atari for picking an inappropriate audience for you presentation.  Atari  
should have had experienced _ST_ game programmers, who could better  
understand and judge the value of your GW system.

--
William Magro                                       NeXTMail welcome
wmagro@uiuc.edu
From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Comparisons between two fi
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:38:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A45838
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

j> WHAT??? NO EXTERNAL FLOPPY????

Why not connect a Floptical to the SCSI-2 port? Try this on the Amiga 1200...
From: stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:24:09 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: katmandu.solbourne.com

ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith) writes:

 Re: MiNT
>
>It's not only the de facto standard for multitasking, it's also
>the de jure standard (i.e. the official one). Or perhaps more
>accurately I should say it's "going to be" the official standard,
>since MultiTOS when it is released will use the MiNT kernel to
>provide multitasking. (MultiTOS will also provide a much enhanced
>AES and desktop which will have extensions to support multitasking).

  I'm sure this is FAQ but is Multi-TOS going to be available 
to all ST owners (At least those with enough RAM) or will it just be 
on the Falcon?



Steve Matson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cop18@lehre23.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Kompilerpraktikum Gruppe18)
Subject: Disk-Magazine D6B (on ftp.uni-de.de)
Organization: Universitaet Bremen
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:27:13 GMT


Hi there,

A few weeks ago there was a potsing on ftp.uni-de.de (folder demos) of a
disk-magazine, which was done very well. Somewhere in this issue was mentioned,
that it would be possible to get back-issues and that they have a big demo
library. My question is : Is it possible to get parts of the library via ftp ??


Thanks in advance !!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Keywords: Theft
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:08:42 GMT

>  Do you know what I  would  tell  you  and  your  son  in  such  a
>  situation?  That  you  could  probably have just as many pairs of
>  shoes had you recognized that this situation  you  describe  does
>  indeed  most  strongly  encourage  to  switch  from  charging for
>  copyrights to charging for  support.  If  the  number  of  people
>  calling  for  support is already three times the number of people
>  who bought that software, imagine how many more must  already  be
>  out  there,  illegally  using  it and not daring to call you. And
>  then, imagine how that number could yet be increased by  actually
>  allowing  people  to  freely  copy  that  stuff,  i.e.  making it
>  copylefted. Now, an increased percentage of people from  an  user
>  base  of  increased size call your hotline, and the wires of your
>  phone will glow so brightly you even can  spare  light  bulbs  in
>  your  house  :-).  Charging for calling the hotline will probably
>  turn out to be a real gold mine, and would  certainly  help  your
>  son  and  you  much  more than reasoning how well you would do if
>  there were no software pirates.

Copying someone's software for your personal use is WRONG! No IFs ANDs 
or BUTs. You can justify it to yourself all you want but it is WRONG.
Additionally it is also ILLEGAL. 

Yes software piracy exists on all platforms. Do you think there would
be as many MSDOS machines sold if people did not have access to a lot
of very good and very expensive software they can steal from work. I know
of a group of ten people that got together and bought a single update
to WORD PERFECT for WINDOWS because where we work is not going to
get it and they wanted it. They were very happy when we got WORD
PERFECT and they spent a lot of time at the copy machines making copies 
of the manual. I'm pretty sure that the copyright notice that came with 
that upgrade specified that it was to be used on only one computer.

As I have stated before, software piracy happens at about the same
rate on all computers. The real problem is if there is not a large
enough user base the developer will not be able to support him/herself.
Then the problem of lack of sales, not just piracy will cause developer 
to drop platforms as not cost effective. However if those pirated
copies were purchased copies things could be different.

The only way you will get the creatans that steal software, and expect
to get full support, to pay for that support is to install 900 numnbers.
And guess who will be the first to complain about those 900 numbers?

Charging for support is not the answer, the answer is paying for what
you use. Try not paying that electric or telephone bill, then tell those
companies they should give away their product and only charge for support.
See how long your phone stays connected and your lights stay on.

Brian, WS1S
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Email... Internet > GEnie .. how?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:32:41 GMT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article onpssXASjgg@yonder.equinox.gen.nz, craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
>A while back an address was posted to mail to GEnie users
> from Internet, did anyone make a note of it???

Craig, the Internet-GEnie link only works if the GEnie subscriber has signed up
for the option to receive mail from Internet (it's an extra cost goodie, payable
by the Kb of traffic received).

To send mail from the Internet to a GEnie subscriber, you must know his or her
GEnie mail address and then tack geis.com on the end of it.  For example, to
send mail to GEnie address J.SMITH24, you would use

	j.smith24.geis.com

That's the way it is supposed to work but to be honest, I've experienced 
troubles with the link as have others.  Maybe it's sunspots, I dunno.  :)

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Mailer Software - Where can I get them from?
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:14:36 GMT


I'm looking for mailer software like Binkleyterm, I know Binkley is on
atari.archive, but I'd like to check some others out as well, I've
heard that there is something called "The Box" too. So is there some
ftp site which is specialized in mailers?

Thanks in advance!

--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Rasmus Paetau (paetau@mits.mdata.fi) | I still believe in Falcon030 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I am NOT making this up, OK?  (was Re: Closed ... <ho hum>)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:15:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec14.143451.19724@digi.lonestar.org>
  <1992Dec14.193731.1968@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1gnve3INNhd9@life.ai.mit.edu>

>It's just *amazing* to me how you can twist everything around so that
>it's not Atari's fault.
 
You're right...  this guy ought to be in politics..!
 

Sam Tramiel could pull a gun in a crowded room, shoot someone
down in cold blood, and we'd hear "it was the victim's own fault
for getting in the way of the bullet"...

                                          :)     <-- I think..
 
BobR
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: SCSI Floppy Drives
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:46:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bz6I6J.9M4@unix.amherst.edu> <Bz6vFJ.18v@ucunix.san.uc.edu>  
  <1992Dec13.162843.7658@solace.hsh.se>  
  <1992Dec13.175737.26832@u.washington.edu> <71624@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Dec15.010847.11677@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

Ah yes... I'd forgotten about the Floptical drives..!

True, that would fill most of the functions of an external floppy drive,
and as Dan mentioned, it comes with a free 21 Meg removable media
"semi hard" drive..
 
It's most glaring drawback though is $300 for a "second floppy drive"..

It feels hard to justify that when you can get 100-120 Megs of "real"
hard drive for about that much, or a 44Meg SyQuest.. (then again, I paid
a lot more than that for my first Atari 810 disk drive..!)

BobR
From: Roger.Mier@f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Roger Mier)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Hello, Gw! (Was Re: Good
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:24:00 -0600

In message #6006, ROB MCMULLEN writes:
 
> ps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!ewal235
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
> <1g8ugqINNnt7@life.ai.mit.edu>
>  
> In article <1g8ugqINNnt7@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Bagg
> writes:
> >In article <greg.724017522@duke> greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss)
> writes:
                [Stuff Deleted]
>  
> My question is:  Why do we do this to ourselves? :-)  We must be eternal

        Well, I for myself do it because I like the Atari, and what I can
do with it.  But, not only that but, what's the fun of being part of the
majority?  It doesn't make you strive to be better, you already think you
ARE better.  I for one LOVE to say to all my friends wit PCs and Macs etc.
when they start getting on bandwagons against my "lowly" ST, "Oh, an
Off-Line Reader?  Sure, I got one.  DTP?  Sure, I can do that.  And when
they say, "Yah, but mine's better and can do more!"  I take him/her to my
place and show them up!
        When one gets too big an ego, I can't help but smash it into
little bitty pieces!  Heh.

> optimists, or delight in writing all of our own software.  The Atari net
> community does make up (somewhat) for the lack of commercial software.
> Of course, I'd like to play new things like Ultima Underworld.  At least
> we got Lemmings!
>  
> (Wait for GW!  It will be _the_ programmer's delight.)
> -- 
> Rob McMullen               ewal235@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu
> "In Gods We Trust.  All Others Pay Cash." -- Steven Brust
>  
> ---
>  * Origin: Dark Knight's Table - Usenet Gate: tdkt.kksys.com (1:282/31.0)
>                                                                          
          Roger Mier                 |||          Yo!
      Resident of nowhere            |||      We be cool!
   Representative of Noplace        / | \     You be not!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: kruel@phys-chemie.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Thomas-Martin Kruel)
Subject: Re: UW and terminal emulation....
Keywords: adm31 vt100
Organization: Institut fuer Physikalische Chemie / Uni Wuerzburg
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:08:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.075253.23556@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch) writes:
>I have uw running again, and would like to know if there is gonna be a
>newer release for the atari the supports vt100.  I like uw alot, and would
>also like to see maybe zmodem file support..  Anybody out there working on
>uw for the atari anymore??
>
John,

 I was in exactly the same position as you are now. Unfortunately, I hate
to tell you that UW on the ST is a dead end. 2 years ago or so I
succeeded to contact H.Mosner, who did the Atari port and asked him 
about VT100, and he told me that he dropped the stuff since he changed 
to a commercial job :-(

There might be two possibilities: 
1. write your own VT100 emulation
2. look at the MAC-Version if it's already done, if so, you could try
   to do the port 

If you just want to download files at the same time you're working,
get ConNect in conjunction with an accessory called GSZRZ.ACC by
M. Ziegler. Both together will cost you 80.- DM ~ $55 +S&H.

Could we get Wolfgang Wander to implement the UW protocol? It would be
a great job!

Thomas. 
-- 

Th.-M. Kruel   Institut fuer Physikalische Chemie der Universitaet Wuerzburg
               Marcusstr. 9-11,  D-8700 Wuerzburg (Germany)
               Phone: +49 931 31579
From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030 vs. Amiga 1200
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:40:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A45839
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

p>>MEMORY & EXPANSION
p>>ram(base model)          1 MB of 16bit       2 MB of 32bit

Falcon RAM is 32 bit wide.

p>>palette(colors)          65,536              16.8 million
p>>maximum displayed        65,536(640x400)     256,000(all res)

palette is 262.144 colors for 2,4,16,256 color modes; 32768 and 65536 color
modes have no palette.
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Comparisons between two fine machines...
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:19:24 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier) writes:

Hey!  A fair comparison at last.  After reading some of the 'information'
in the UK magazines I had all but given up hope.  Thamks for posting it.

I do have one thing to add, and a question.
though.

[...]

>MEMORY & EXPANSION
>ram(base model)          1 MB of 16bit       2 MB of 32bit
>max ram                  14 MB               10 MB
>type                     proprietary board   proprietary & PCMCIA 2.0
>rom                      512K                512K to 2MB

The memory in the Falcon is in fact 32 bit.  The 68030 has 16 bit
access, but the Video system has 32 bit access, as I believe do other
parts of the Falcons hardware.

>SOFTWARE(included)
>                         MultiTOS 4.0        AmigaDOS 3.0
>                         D2D-Hard disk       CrossDOS-MSDOS utility
>                          recording          misc utilities
>                         Audio Fun Machine-
>                          FX processor
>                         misc utilities &
>                          games

Is the D2D hard disk system actually going to be bundled with the Falcon?
According to one of the (notoriously unreliable) UK ST magazines, it was
going to be sold seperatley.  Anybody know for sure?

>Once again, those of you who havn't mentally reached the age of 16, don't
>feud, we don't wish to hear you. This was brought to you strictly to
>inform you of the comparisons between two fine machines.

And thanks again.

	Mark

-- 
"A little nonsense now and then,                \ Mark Steyn :          \
 Is relished by the wisest men"                  \ marks@castle.ed.ac.uk \
          Willy Wonka                             \ mpjs@dcs.ed.ac.uk     \
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Christmas Wish List (<$100 US)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:58:36 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BzBD57.67J@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Regarding a memory upgrade for a Mega 2ST..

Kenneth, if your Mega 2 is one of the early ones, before Atari
"redesigned" the motherboard, upgrading the memory is a relatively
straightforward process, although one that requires some 
technical expertise.

Essentially Atari used the same motherboard for both them Mega 2 and 4,
simply leaving out half the RAM chips for the Mega 2.  There are holes
where the second half of the RAM can be installed.. the only problem is
that they are all soldered shut during the manufacturing process.

The upgrade consists of unsoldering the holes, installing sockets and
bypass capacitors (and one Mega2 that I saw already had the extra
capacitors installed), and plugging in the RAM chips.  Then three
resistors have to be added, and you'll have a Mega 4.

The costs involved are the RAM chips themselves and the time needed.
Depending on who you get to do the job, it should cost considerably
less than $100.

Also, since the chips are mounted directly to the motherboard, you're
likely to find it to be more reliable than any "solderless" upgrade.

If there's anyone near you who can perform the technical work, this
would be an ideal thing to do for your Mega..

(You'll probably have enough of your $100 left to get Warp-9 too..!)
 
BobR
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