From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Nobel Laureates
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:45:24 GMT

larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:


>   I wish for one minute that you would apply the same litmus tests to your
>   own rhetoric as you do to the conservatives'.  What you are saying is
>   that there is no real difference between these two scenarios:

>   1.)  Clinton comes up with an economic plan, which is then endorsed by
>   some Nobel winning economists--and Clinton touts the endorsement.

>   2.)  Some Nobel winning economists devise an economic plan which sounds
>   good to Clinton and is subsequently adopted by him--and Clinton touts
>   the endorsement of *his* plan by six Nobel winning economists.  

>   Do you honestly see no difference here?  If Bush did something like
>   this, you would be on it like stink on shit.  Face it.  You have a
>   double standard.

>On the other hand, Chip has continously exemplified a completely unbiased,
>level viewpoint, free from political influences in all his posts! Bullshit.

What has this statement to do with *anything* I said above?  If you are
implying that I have the same double standard, I'm going to have to 
ask you to show me one of my posts that support it.  I go out of my way
to treat both sides fairly.  That doesn't mean I don't have my own
opinions, but a double standard is something else completely.  When one
refuses to see his own convictions in the same light he sees others'
he has a problem.

>Who is so stupid as to think that a politician has to author all his
>proposals? They seldom even write their own speeches, let alone policies. 
>And how extremely foolish NOT to enlist whatever means are available to 
>come up with some new ideas!

You just pick a tangent and run with it, don't you.  I never mentioned
any problem with a politician not authoring his own stuff.  If you'll 
look carefully at the post before this one, when I brought the subject
up, I said it was laudible if he sees value in a plan written by some
Nobel winners and adopts it.  There is a real problem, though, when you
adopt someone else's plan, call it your own, and then tout the fact 
that these Nobel winners give credit to you for coming up with it.

>I've never seen some many infantile arguments for conservative policies in
>my life. The New Right mentality seems to be about as shallow as it can
>get. I wonder what ever happened to the thoughtful, well-versed 
>presentations of conservate ideas by people like William F. Buckley? 
>WFB and hundreds of other thinking Repubs must be gritting their teeth 
>at the idea of having such people on "their side"!

You are not making a very good case for your own side, here.  This is
one of those posts that is usually not worth responding to--you do such a
good job of shooting yourself in the foot, all by yourself.  If you're 
going to debate an issue with me, at least do me the courtesy of reading it
correctly and staying on the subject.  And if you do get off the
subject, please try to keep the screaming down a bit...  

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
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