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From: davidv@davidv.sco.COM (David Vangerov)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner (*Spoilers*)
Organization: Apathetic Surf Club (we don't surf and we don't care)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:21:19 GMT

In article <YegbtCq00WCZ4Mwlt0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Stephen Andrew Rahe <sr3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 	I haven't seen the Director's Cut of Blade Runner yet, but I do have
|> one complaint already... the unicorn scene (what else?). The movie loses
|> all of it's meaning by "proving" that Deckard is a replicant.  Deckard's
|> "humanity" is supposed to be as vague as the new ending is.

the movie never comes out and hits you over the head with the proof that
Deckard is a replicant. it's still ambiguous. only now we have a bit more
info than we did before. the debate continues to rage. and ya know, i bet
we'll never find out for sure...

-- 
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From: cg2u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher W. Graefe)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Rocky Horror...Where?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:07:29 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Dear Sluts and Assholes,

     I'm writing to bitch about the fact that there is only one theatre
in the Pittsburgh vicinity (and a great one at that) that shows the
greatest cult film of all time (that's a personal opinion...Ishtar and
Princess Bride were close seconds)  It costs twice the price of the
movie just to take public transportation out of town to Dormont and a
taxi back at 2 AM.  Am I misinformed?  Is there another theater close to
the Oakland area that plays this?  If you don't live anywhere near this
area, feel free to disregard this or bitch about your own problems with
getting to a Rocky location!

                             Fan of the movie but not into tranvestitism
at all,
                                                              Graefe
p.s. Does anyone else out there think that Princess Bride would be a
great cult film?
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:04:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (I AM NOT ON DRUGS. HONEST. I WAS BORN THIS WAY.) writes:

>evan@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Evan Whitney) writes:
>> 
>> "Solaris" is a terrific piece of filmmaking. It relies on good storytelling
>> rather than action and special effects. This is probably why this movie
>> could never be made in Hollywood. The only thing it has in common with
>> 2001 is that they were filmed in the same decade.
>> 

>I read somewhere a reviewer saying that it's the sort of movie people who
>didn't like it would like better the second time around. The only problem is
>getting those people to watch it that second time.

Reminds me of my experience with Wings of Desire. The first time I watched
it, I didn't much like it. But I kept thinking about it for some reason,
and I got the urge to watch it again. The second time, I loved it -- so
much that I paid $80 for the video. (Sorry, George)

--
Stef                 In the force if Yoda's so strong, construct a 
stef@apple.com       sentence with words in the proper order then 
                     why can't he?                         /fortune
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From: hamid@west.rs.com (Hamid R. Moazed)
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked
Reply-To: hamid@west.rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:10:02 PDT

[bunch of merely bad movie's titles deleted...]

No one mentioned "Dances With Wolves"! It was tourture to watch, but
my date (last time I took her to a movie :-) wanted to stay. Damn it
was bad! Enough self-ritous sentimental crap to qualify for the
Spielberg "mushy-and-heart-warming" award. If I wanted my heart warmed,
I'da stuck a hot soldering iron in my chest.

P.S. Here's a plug for "Unforgiven", one of the *least* sentimental and
self-ritous movies I've ever seen. Totally awsome.

---
       Hamid R. Moazed | "The drill bit lodged in my skull
      Engineering Lead |    causes me no small amount of pain,
  Renaissance Software |  but as I recall life without it
         Los Altos, CA |    was really much the same..."
   email: hamid@rs.com |                        -KILLDOZER

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From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: Embarrassing films...
Summary: Jumping on the bandwagon...
Keywords: Uck!
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:02:20 GMT

G'day Cultophiles,

       Throwing in a few films that I felt REALLY EMBARRASSED to sit through..

"The Little Mermaid"
    - My girlfriend and I took out two friends of ours to see "Meet The
Feebles", and they repaid us by forcing this revoltingly cute and sickly
sweet film down our throats. Appallingly scripted, the only light relief
was pointing out the phallic bits.

"Rocky Horror Picture Show"
    - Boy am I gonna get flamed. I just didn't like it. I do like cult films
in general, but RHPS didn't do it for me.

"Wings of Desire"
    - The most pretentious film I have ever seen - and everyone else in the
cinema loved it! I nearly retched when Peter Falk (?) touched the girl on the
swing and suddenly the film was in colour.

"Toxic Avenger"
    - All the other Troma films I have seen were at least mildly amusing and
surreal ("Class of Nuke'Em High" is perhaps the best), but this one was plain
stuffed. Even the sequel was better!

"Wizards"
    - So what was the point? This is perhaps a tad unfair, the film bored me
to sleep and I missed about half-an-hour in the middle.

I think that will do. For those who are now saying "Does this Aussie twit
like anything?", here are some great films...
"Meet the Feebles"
"Tampopo"
"Icicle Theives"
"This is Spinal Tap"
"Brazil"
"Life on the Edge"
"Wacko"
"Surf II"
"Harold and Maude"
"Being There"
"Bedazzled"
"The Running Jumping Standing Still Film"

George

               \ George Heard <heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> /
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Opinions expressed above are not necessarily those of the Uni of Tasmania
From: uril@yang.earlham.edu (Uri J. Lessing)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: The Lawnmower Man
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:40:50 GMT
 <1992Sep9.141336.12759@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1992Sep9.142801.13011@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Sep9.142801.13011@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@sponge.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
> 
> And yes, despite showing up on some early posters for the video release,
> Stephen King's name does not appear anywhere in the film that I noticed.
> Too bad, because this is stil more enjoyable than most of the films that
> were legitimately based on his work. 
> <All IMHO, of course>
> 
> 					--Judex--

Actually, it still says in the credits "Based on a short story by Stephen King."
However the movie is no longer called "Stephen King's Lawnmower Man."  
Just "The Lawnmower Man."

-- 

Uri J. Lessing |  Earlham College |  Richmond, Indiana
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Aliens v Predator Movie??? (+ Alien 3)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:51:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <rabjab.107.0@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>
>>I heard from the local comic book store owner that an A v P movie was being
>>made.  Is this true?  He said it should be out by next year.  
>
>Oh YHWH, please no!
>
>It would be like a Japanese horror flick!
>
>I can barely contain my unusually acidic vomit!

 Have you read the comic? It managed to maintain the pacing of the
Predator movies, the horror of the Aliens, and a kick-ass plot.
I've said this before - if they based the flick on the Dark Horse
comic series, had someone like Cameron to direct it, and kept the
budget low (say, $20-$40 million), it would be mind-blowing. The
effects would be nothing spectacular - nothing more than 
Predator 2 and Aliens put together, has a definite plot, no plot
holes (they thought this one through), and would practically sell
itself. Even the ads would be incredible.

 I doubt the rumor though. Dark Horse has given no indications of
a film, and they have liscensing to both Aliens and Predator from
20th Century Fox. Starlog hasn't said anything. While I'd LOVE to
see it, I doubt its a rumor worth believing.

 Joshua
| Tremble only if you build false accounts and stand pridefully upon them    |
|                                       - Lord Leto II, God Emperor of Dune  |
|                                                                            |
| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |
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From: jtidwell@athena.mit.edu (Jenifer P Tidwell)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: WIZARD's "Up-Hill Biking" - the TRUTH
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:36:50 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Actually, we just used a basic first-generation VHS tape.  The VCR
is good enough to give us nice stills, though - nice enough to see
subliminals and other details, anyway.

Laser disc would be preferable, though...

					- Jenifer

p.s.  @southern{Hey cuz!  I won't tell yo' momma if you don't tell mah
momma.  And learn to spell, hon!}
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From: mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece)
Subject: Re: Wild at Heart
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
    16:57:11 CDT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:22:11 GMT
X-Bytes: 280

In article <1TiyqB3w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:


>>   By the way, has
>>   anyone else seen the Twin Peaks film? 

You should check alt.tv.twin-peaks, with hundreds of postings.

Manuel@Japan
--
pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:31:42 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 716289711@narbelek, chrisp@cs.uwa.oz.au (chris pudney) writes:
=In <1992Sep10.085135.10904@muppet.bt.co.uk> carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson) writes:
=
=>I dont know about the "whole American literary scene" but certainly the 
=>Beat movement, further recommened reading along the same lines would be
=>the excellent Allen Ginsberg biography and _Memory_Babe_ a Kerouac 
=>biography which both detail Bills' influence on them.
=
=.... and who were those two fellow author's of Bill's in the film?  My
=first guess is that they might be Ginsberg and Kerouac.

There is no question, they were definiately meant to be Ginsberg and Kerouac.
This ties in with what really happened when Bill was writing the book, ie
that the 2 of them turned up and helped him put the book together.
From: binky@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Lost In Time!)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Rocky Horror Picture Show
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 23:03:36 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

> I am a MAJOR Rockky Horror Picture Show fan
> I used to go to Uptown Theater in Minneapolis Mn every Sat to see the
> transvestites. But now I have a sad problem, I moved to Ames, Iowa to Iowa
> State University and there are 7 theaters but only 1 shows the CULT
> CLASSIC RHPS only a couple times a year :(  ...... I have the American
> 1990 release of RHPS here but no VCR and I need to see it..... 
> 
> Dammit, I knew I should have gotten that spare tire fixed....
> 
> LETS DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!
> 
> thing... its going on 8 years and still a big hit
> 
> Terry Hughes ---- Iowa State University
>  
  Well Terry, I'm not sure what year your in. Please clarify the "
going on for 8 years" bit for me. I hope you ment that you've been going 
to RHPS for 8 years. Because Rocky has been out since 1975. And I'm quite
sure that this is not 1983. Just hoping to find out about the 8 year 
thing because I was a little confused.

P.S. Hope you find out where Rocky is showing in your part of the world.


                              Sincerely (sleepy),
                                 Binky J. Esquire
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: zoetrope@netcom.com (Devan DzM MacFarlane)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner v. Alien
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:37:24 GMT
Organization: Hell's Ditch
Distribution: usa

The world paused when psc9q@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (The Beloved) said:
>I apologize if this has been discussed before, but could someone tell me why
>some of the same computer graphics sequences were used in both movies?
>
>Paul

Err ... Refresh my memory. Exactly >which< computer sequences were re-used?

The landing sequence software was, as I recall, similar in design (rectangles
in the distance coming "closer" to the viewer to illustrate flight path) but
that is the only sequence I remember as being similar.
-- 
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1455 Bellomy St, #B      | Did you see the woman with the comb in her hand
Santa Clara, CA 95050    | Wailing away on the wall on the strand
                         | As you danced to the Turkish song of the damned
zoetrope@netcom.com      -- The Pogues, Turkish Song of the Damned
From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Need address for ordering movies
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:58:07 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Im looking for some mail-order companies , that could provide me with good
quality *PAL* movies.  Main interests: Oriental movies (china,japan,hong kong
etc...), but I like watching anything as long as it`s good :)
I know this probably is a FAQ, but I`ll have to ask anyway:
Please,please,please E-mail me the addressess of just about any good movies-by-
mail companys outside of Finland. I mean it! anything! I`m starving! 

Thanks,

	Mika H{nninen.
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From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: HOLY MOUNTAIN
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:09:03 GMT

---
Recently I saw a very weird (and entertaining) film, called 
HOLY MOUNTAIN, by some ?Mexican director.

It had lots of images, calculated to shock and amaze. I particularly 
"liked" the scene with soldiers repeatedly throwing themselves 
on bayonets.

I thought the film itself lacked coherence, all the imagery was too 
much of a jumble: I don't know whether this was intentional or a result 
of a little knowledge about many things (alchemy, psychology, religion, 
philosophy, etc).

Any comments about this film from anyone?
-- 
+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: chrisp@cs.uwa.oz.au (chris pudney)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 09:21:51 GMT

In <1992Sep10.085135.10904@muppet.bt.co.uk> carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson) writes:

>I dont know about the "whole American literary scene" but certainly the 
>Beat movement, further recommened reading along the same lines would be
>the excellent Allen Ginsberg biography and _Memory_Babe_ a Kerouac 
>biography which both detail Bills' influence on them.

... and who were those two fellow author's of Bill's in the film?  My
first guess is that they might be Ginsberg and Kerouac.

Chris.
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies
From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: REALLLLLLY bad embarassing movies
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:45:38 GMT

In article <8eddrWy00awMM3PUVz@andrew.cmu.edu> cc79+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carey D. Clevenger) writes:
>NO WAY! Drowning by numbers is GREAT!
>
>I saw it about two weeks ago. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED to listen to the
>DIALOGUE, you're supposed to find the NUMBERS!
>
>See it again--this time, don't WATCH it for the PLOT--just look for the
>NUMBERS.
>

Agreed.  I gain enjoyment from Greenaway's movies by getting off on the
visuals and playing Spot That Theme.  There has to be a drinking game in
this somewhere.  The problem is: if you take a drink every time you spot
part of a recurring theme, you'd never finish watching the movie; if you
take a drink only in scenes *without* any recurring themes in them, you'd
need to watch just about *all* his movies just to get a buzz on . . .

		-- Stewart "this space intentionally left blank" Tame

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Pee-wee Herman, Bart Simpson, Tipper Gore, Murphy Brown, Maggie Thatcher,
and the Easter Bunny.
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From: nix@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Thompson)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner...Director's cut
Originator: nix@GS86.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<svedberg.716235504@msi.umn.edu>
	<1992Sep12.142445.11261@athena.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:52:03 GMT

I saw the first so-called director's cut (no narration but no unicorn
scene).  My impression was that, although there were very few new
scenes, each scene went on a bit longer than in the originally
released version.  My *suspicion* is that they forced Scott to cut the
running time down and he did it by taking a bit from each scene - this
removed a lot of the connections between scenes and made the film
harder to understand, hence the voice-overs.

The new footage in the cut I saw was accompanied by cheesy orchestral
music.  Hopefully they've got more Vangelis work instead in the new
version.

	Nick
-- 
  Nick Thompson						nix+@cs.cmu.edu

	 "The future belongs to the analog loyalists"
					-- Steve Albini
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Bladerunner & W.S.Burroughs
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:01:33 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

I was watching Bladerunner again last night, and I noticed that at the
end of the credits there is one along the lines of...

"Thanks to William Burroughs and Alan Nourse for use of the title
Bladerunner"

Being a bit of a Burroughs fan (ok, a _lot_ of one) I was curious and
looked it up in the excellent biography of him by Ted Morgan, in there
it mentions that he produced a screenplay called Bladerunner, the plot
outline of which sounded very similar to "Do Androids Dream Of Electric
Sheep." tho there was no mention of P.K.Dick.

Which raises a few questions...

1) Before the film was made, where there a number of screen plays by
	different authors being considered?  Or did Burroughs' do this
	completely seperately?

2) Who is Alan Nourse?  He isnt mentioned in the Burroughs bio.

3) Has anyone read this screenplay?

Cheers,
Carl
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From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Four Bladerunner Cuts
Summary: Description of four Bladerunner cuts
Keywords: Bladerunner
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:50:01 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the Dallas Morning News, 1992-09-11, p1C, 6C,
"The Endurance of 'Bladerunner'" by Robert Abele

"... The tally is now at four cuts of the film, and to prevent
further head-scratching, here's the rundown: 1) the widely
seen 1982 theatrical release; 2) a more violent "international"
version released on video a few years ago; 3) the cut shown
to test audiences in 1982, eliciting negative feedback that resulted
in the theatrical version, and which was unearthed a year ago
in Los Angeles at a film festival to enthusiastic response; 4)
the official "director's cut" recently completed  by Mr. Scott
when he found out quite embarrassingly that the version shown
in Los Angeles still wasn't his vision.  When he sent a telegram
to the festival's audience proclaiming joy at the return of his
treasured unicorn dream scene, it was met with a collective "Huh?"
The print the crowd saw contained no such scene."


So, what's the minimum features to differentiate all four versions?

Version          Voiceover   Unicorn  Baty's thumbs in Tyrrell's eyes

82 test          No          No       ?
82 release       Yes         No       No
violent          Yes         No       Yes
Director's Cut   No          Yes      ?

Could the running times be the ultimate differentiator?

Comments?

--Rob   spray@convex.com
From: gegabb@sdrc.sdrc.com (Rob Gabbard)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarrassing Movie
Keywords: Bill Cosby SUCKS!!!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:50:44 GMT
Reply-To: rob.gabbard@sdrc.com
Organization: SDRC, Graphics & User Interface Group


In article <1992Sep4.023607.27544@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>,
lozanoj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU |>Let's see, Ghost Dad  _and_ Leonard, Part 6:
Does Bill Cosby have
|>massive brain damage or what. Why would he involve himself in these
|>idiotic movie projects?  My guess is that he'll allow any movie to

Leonard, Part 6 would have to get my vote as one of the worst movies
I've ever seen.  I'm glad I only rented it and didn't pay to see it at a
theatre.  I will admit that I thought the scene with the frogs
"carrying" the car was a bit amusing but I was amazed that Cosby would
do something so horrible when his career was at its peak with the TV
series.

--
******************************************************************************
Rob Gabbard, SDRC                 * All statements and opinions are my own. My
Cincinnati, OH                    * employer disagrees with most of what I say
rob.gabbard@sdrc.com              * anyway.
******************************************************************************
"Life goes by pretty darn fast, if you don't stop to take a look around, you
 might miss something." - Ferris Bueller
From: eric@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Eric Tend)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:55:41 GMT
Subject: John Woo's HARD-BOILED in S.F.???
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies


I heard that John Woo's latest epic HARD-BOILED is playing up in San Francisco
Chinatown at The World Theater, 644 Broadway Street.  Can anyone confirm or
deny this?  Was there a review in any of the S.F. papers? ... I'm heading up
to the city this weekend to check it out.  The box office telephone message
(which was all in chinese) mentioned Chow Yun Fat's and Tony Leung's name
... which were a good sign.

I saw a fairly fuzzy version on video and I must admit that this film is a
MUST SEE for John Woo fans in the Bay Area (or anywhere).  I think they used
ten-zillion bullets in this one.  This film (like THE KILLER) looks like it
should be seen on the big screen to justify its artistic film-making style.

--Eric--

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