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From: u9148124@cs.uow.edu.au (Adam Erik Ragland)
Subject: Re: St. George were pathetic
Keywords: none
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:57:22 GMT

u9124322@cs.uow.edu.au (Adam Peter Millard) writes:

>That effort by St. George in the NSWRL Grand final was the worst display
>from a grand final team that I have ever seen. The only St. George player
>that played any good at all was Scott Gourley.
>The Steelers should have been the ones in the Grand Final as they were the
>only team in the comp that had any chance of beating Brisbane (besides Parra,
>that is :) ). At least Illawarra wouldn't have given up after Brisbane 
>scored 2 tries!!!!

	Are we talking about the same Illawarra that got belted by Brisbane
2 times in the Month leading up to the grand final. I saw the game at
Wollongong and  the Steelers lost 15-2. Yeah i know the score was 15-8 but
first they scored of a kocked on and the the touch judges allowed a conversion
that missed by a metre. Seems all the Steelers fans were quick to jump up and
say they were ripped off when the played Saints in the final but didnt mutter
a word about when things were going good for them. Truth is Saints would've
scored 2 tries if the ref knew what he was doing. The try of the bomb that
he reckoned came of the hands of Priddle was a try. i watched it on replay at
least 10 times and it missed his hands by 20cms. And Saints had a couple of
forward passes that were just as borderline as Those couple the steeler's had.


>Also, the selectors for the world cup side must be the biggest bunch of
>dickheads ever seen!! Why was Rod Wishart left out??!!! He is a much better
>winger and player than either of Carne or Hancock, let alone Goden or Brasher.
>Although, Brasher does deserve his chance.
>Also, what the hell is Gourley doing out of the squad. He has been one of
>the best forwards on the comp this year.

The side was shit.

>---------------------------------
>+	Death to St. George	+
>---------------------------------

If your gonna say shit like that then im ashamed to go to the same uni as you
let alone do the same subjects.
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: bevans@jabaru.cec.edu.au (Brian Evans)
Subject: Re: NASCAR and AUSCAR return
Organization: Jabaru Timesharing, Melbourne Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:43:41 GMT
Keywords: NASCAR AUSCAR THUNDRDOME

dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley) writes:

>Great to see some other Thunderdome fans out there . Now that the Touring
>Car Championship and Nissan benifit is over it's time to see some real
>racing .

Here Here.

>I'm not a Ford fan but it would be good to see them do well , especially
>Terri Sawyer after she had to sit out of last season due to lack of funds .

Yes, However, see does do a bit of damage most times when out on the dome.
She did race on Sunday, and even had a spin.

>It would be also good to see someone get behind Steve Harrington , another
>great driver hamstrung by a lack of money . Despite what the advertisements
>say , he won't be there this weekend , unless he does some last minute deal
>to lease or rent a car . So if there are any prospective sponsors out there ,
>give this man a go !!

I wonder why TT-FM dropped out. (I cannot remember his other sponsor for
the moment. Was it Goodyear?) I thought that he was starting to look really
good. For a while there he was having some terrible luck.

I for one would like to see more of Marshall J. Brewer! I thought he raced well
on Sunday and deserves more 1st places!

>Actually , if Brad Jones drives off into the distance in the AUSCARS , the
>best racing could be in the NASCAR championship . There is no clear cut

All I want for Christmas is for someone to beat Brad Jones!!!!

>favourite in this series , and if Bob Jane can get Richard Petty and
>A.J. Foyt to run in the December International meeting ( as is rumoured )
>it could really bring NASCARS into the limelight in this country .

Hey, I was not aware of that rumour. That would be a REAL drawcard.

>It will be interesting to see what crowd they get on Sunday . Over the past
>two years the crowds have been approx. 20,000 for the normal meetings and
>40,000 for the December International . That shits over what they get at
>any Touring Car meeting ( apart from Bathurst ) .

Yes, it isn't hard to beat Touring Car attendances! :-)

IMHO, I thought there were a decent amount of people in attendance. However,
the infield was closed meaning everyone had to go to the stands. 
We had trouble getting out of the carpark with it being so wet underfoot.
The crowds are getting larger thou. I am a Sports Club member at the Dome and
was told that they now have over 2000 members in the club!

Brian
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
Subject: Tigers vs Wildcats
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:18:59 GMT

Could someone please post the result from wednsdays game, and if anyone has time
a summary of the game as well.
		Thanks a lots
go TIGERS
Newsgroups: aus.sport
From: bevans@jabaru.cec.edu.au (Brian Evans)
Subject: NASCAR and AUSCAR return
Organization: Jabaru Timesharing, Melbourne Australia
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 05:57:28 GMT
Keywords: NASCAR AUSCAR THUNDRDOME


Just a reminder for those readers who are interested in Motor Racing,
NASCAR, AUSCAR, SPORTSMAN and HQ action returns to the Thunderdome
Melbourne this Sunday the 11th October. This will be the opener for
the 1992/1993 season.

From what I have read in the paper, the DASH for CASH will be telecast
"live" on channel 7 sunday morning. 

Racing at the DOME starts at 10am.


Brian
From: W.Friesen@pharm.utas.edu.au (William Friesen)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:57:26 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Tasmania

In this day and age some parts of Australia are not connected to the 
outside world.

Because of a commercial television monopoly in Hobart we cannot get the
World Series which being broadcast in major mainland cities.

Pleading and writing to the arrogant program manager of TAS TV does not yield any results.

Is there anyone who is willing to video at least some of the games for me?

I will, of course pay for the tapes, postage etc. 


In article <185@anl.oz>, dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley) writes:
> 
> So , has anyone been watching the US Baseball telecasts on Channel 9 ?
> 
> I hope that the Atlanta Braves go all the way this year and complete 
> a Cinderella story by winning the World Series .
> 
> I wonder however , how the septic tanks would react to the World Series
> leaving the USA in the event of the Toronto Blue Jays winning ?
> 
> 
> 
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From: gdoan@cs.uq.oz.au (Giao Doan)
Newsgroups: aus.sport
Subject: Basketball
Summary: Brisbane Bullets Basketball
Keywords: Brisbane Bullets..........????
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:08:59 GMT
Reply-To: gdoan@cs.uq.oz.au

Has anyone out there have any thoughts about the sacking of
Brian Kerle by the Brisbane Bullets???

The Brisbane papers have printed a lot of stories on the 
Brian Kerle and Brisbane Bullets saga........

and that newspaper articles have
1) linked Adrian Branch to Geelong Supercats
2) linked Derek Rucker to rejoin Bullets
3) linked Stan Albeck, former NBA coach, to be interested in being Bullets coach
From: novan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Erwin Gunadi)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Pausing
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:16:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Keywords: pausing

When you paused your CD player, the CD will keep spinning, as it has to
keep on tracking, so when you wish to continue, the player will know
where to start. 
And usually, if you leave the player paused for a certain period of
time, the player will automatically continue the play ( at least,
that's what happens on mine).
Up to now, based on my experience, if you paused your CD player for a
certain time, won't damage your player.
And also, the laser device will keep tracking the CD on one spot, as you
know that when CD player is running, the laser device will also moving,
usually from the edge of the CD to the near centre.

Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: hunter@bacchus.esa.oz.au (James Gardiner [Hunter])
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Organization: none
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:58:32 GMT

In <1992Oct8.055250.10922@cc.uow.edu.au> jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:

>YES IT CAN DAMAGE YOUR PLAYER!!!!
>The laser has a limited life. Replacing it is often more expensive than 
>a new player. When in the <PAUSE> mode the laser is still tracking the 
>disc and the drive is still running.
>Hence, leaving on pause for very extended periods will use up some of the life 
>of your CD player. 5mins is not worth worrying about but several hours on 
>pause will certainly cause a worthwhile amount of your player's finite life!
So a laser can degenerate over time.  How much time are we talking?

I have a Yamaha cd player and its used a hell of a lot and has been left
on pause for very long periods of time. (Over night many a time).
(I'm talking 50 times up. a number of weekends too)
Personally I don't think it can hurt it.  In terms of laser life,
This is about 3-4 year old player and has been abused a hell of a lot.
The laser does not seem to have any problems. (It does have some tracking
problems but I think thats because the sliding tray does not
sit exactly right any more.)


James
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From: schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:23:04 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia


>I have left my Sony portable CD player (a D-10?) on pause for a whole
>weekend once... It still works fine. It has been left on pause on numerous
>occasions for 2 or 3 hours. Probably not a good idea but it hasn't done any
>damage to my player (which has worked flawlessly for 4 years).  

I have done similiar things on my very new cd player.ie:leave on it pause all
weekend. It still runs great, but is it that bad to do? I mean it is running
the laser, but that isnt that bad is it?

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From: francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au (Francis Vaughan)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:52:17 GMT
Reply-To: francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au
Distribution: aus
Organization: Adelaide Univerity, Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: heruka.cs.adelaide.edu.au

In article <243@aegir.adl.dmt.csiro.au>, tjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au (Thomas Fung) writes:
|> 
|> Does anybody know whether it's damaging to a CD player if you leave it
|> in the paused-play state for extended periods of say from 5mins to 1hr ?
|> 
|> I have a 3-4 year-old Pioneer PD-M500 six-CD changer and it sounds as if
|> the disc keeps spinning when I pause the player.
|> 
|> So would unnecessary wear of the drive mechanisms likely to be the only
|> problem ?
|> 
|> What about the laser tracking devices ?  It would seem likely they would
|> keep on tracking during the paused state.


Essentially there is no difference between pausing a CD and playing a CD.

The best pressings of CDs still have enough error in them that there is
in the order of half a dozen track widths worth of eccentricity when
they are played.  The tracking mechanism thus moves back and forth this
many track widths on each revolution when a CD is played just to stay
tracking.  The effort needed to skip back a track each revolution when
a CD is paused makes no difference to the work the tracking mechanism
was already doing.  (Well a little, since it must lock the track again,
but even relocking onto the track may be absorbed into the normal
operation overhead.  A single beam tracking system is always oscillating
back and forth a small fraction of a track width. Locking onto the
track will incur no extra mechanical fumbling.)

The laser is always running, in fact the data seperator is still
spitting data but it's output to the DA is muted.  

Bottom line, pausing a CD for x hours is exactly the same as playing
the CD for x hours. Perhaps if you paused a CD for some thousands of
hours there might be a risk of wearing a groove into the tracking
mechanism, but even this is unlikely.  All lasers have a feedback system
that prevents thermal runaway, so the laser won't overheat either.

						Francis Vaughan
From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:25:03 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1b0eq1INNrir@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> francis@cs.adelaide.edu.au writes:
> Essentially there is no difference between pausing a CD and playing a CD.
> 
> The best pressings of CDs still have enough error in them that there is
> in the order of half a dozen track widths worth of eccentricity when
> they are played.  The tracking mechanism thus moves back and forth this
> many track widths on each revolution when a CD is played just to stay
> tracking.  The effort needed to skip back a track each revolution when
> a CD is paused makes no difference to the work the tracking mechanism
> was already doing.  (Well a little, since it must lock the track again,
> but even relocking onto the track may be absorbed into the normal
> operation overhead.  A single beam tracking system is always oscillating
> back and forth a small fraction of a track width. Locking onto the
> track will incur no extra mechanical fumbling.)
> 						Francis Vaughan
This sounds very plausible, however: have you listened closely to the 
mechanism while the player is paused? there is an extra, periodic,
tchic,tchic sound as though the sled keeps tracking forward (outward)
but then has to be dragged back every 1/2 sec or so as the fine tracking
servo reaches its limit. This is so for both my Yamaha home player
and my sony D11 portable (when it feels like working (:-( ).
In fact the mechanism draws a burst of current as it repositions
(I found this when trying to power the D11 from my car: the current spikes
stuffed up the earthing and got into the amp, albeit at low level....
eventually fixed but with much hassle).
Whether this has any effect on the aging of the mechanism, I don't know.
Graham B
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:29:52 GMT

craigh@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Craig Hockenberry) writes:

>>YES IT CAN DAMAGE YOUR PLAYER!!!!
>>The laser has a limited life. Replacing it is often more expensive than 
>>a new player. When in the <PAUSE> mode the laser is still tracking the 
>>disc and the drive is still running.
>>Hence, leaving on pause for very extended periods will use up some of the life 
>>of your CD player. 5mins is not worth worrying about but several hours on 
>>pause will certainly cause a worthwhile amount of your player's finite life!

>Maybe.

Yes, maybe. I don't know exactly what the lifetime of the lasers in a CD
player is but I can put some outside limits on it. The lasers we use here
for research ("state of the art" -- meaning very expensive with limited
lifetime :-) have a typical operating life of 10,000 hours minimum. At the
other end of the scale, the optical communications systems used for
undersea transmission are designed for 20 year lifetimes. That means
there are lasers in there which are expected to live at least 20 years
under continuous operation!! My guess would be that lasers in commercial
CD players would be more like those in current comms systems, technology
being what it is. If that is the case, then you don't have an awful
lot to worry about...

Mark.
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Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: andrewd@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Andrew Dingley)
Subject: Re: Sony Discman D250 ** > Problem! < **
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:24:00 GMT

dorset@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Dorset) writes:

>Hiya,

>  I have heard a lot about some sony discman models having problems in terms
>  of them skipping, etc unless you put them up at an angle/upside-down...

>  I have a D250, which is refusing to play some CDs now, and skipping on others

>Can someone tell me a quick and easy way to fix this up? (If there is one).
>I really dont want to have to take it into Sony *again* to be fixed...

>thanks in advance..

Well I never, and I thought it was just my Sony D20 discman that had to be
placed on its side to play!

Andy.










Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
From: hunter@bacchus.esa.oz.au (James Gardiner [Hunter])
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Organization: none
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:10:52 GMT

In <RFROST.92Oct8220547@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au> rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost) writes:


>What about the heat build up on the CD itself?.. Thats the main issue
>in my opinion. If you have felt a CD after pausing it for long periods
>it is really quite warm. 
Leaving equipment on (especially digital) does not hurt it at all.
In some ways it gives it a better life.  Turning a cold system on
hurts it more then leaving it on for a long while.  Digital circuts
do not run at there best until they are hot/warm.  Once they are running
and as long as they don't get too hot. (Too hot is like REAL hot.
To hot to touch.)
The main problems I see is the spin motor life and this mention of
a laser life.  I would expect the laser life would be very long.
It depends on the manufacturer and how they designed it. (ie
they design it to fail in x years so you have to buy another one)

>What are the effects of heating one very small area of the CD for long periods?
The laser would not be a heat intesive laser.  Just a beam of light.
Have you not played with a laser before?

>No CD players (that I know of) time-out on lengthy pauses, whereas VCRs
>all do it (for more obvious reasons).
VCR's have a tape raped around a spinning head.  
A cd player has a spin motor and a head tracking motor.  They are the only
moving parts.

>Just my .05 cents worth B-).


James
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From: u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au (Darrin Jon Smart)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:05:06 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

tjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au (Thomas Fung) writes:


>Does anybody know whether it's damaging to a CD player if you leave it
>in the paused-play state for extended periods of say from 5mins to 1hr ?

I have left my Sony portable CD player (a D-10?) on pause for a whole
weekend once... It still works fine. It has been left on pause on numerous
occasions for 2 or 3 hours. Probably not a good idea but it hasn't done any
damage to my player (which has worked flawlessly for 4 years).

 - Darrin
   u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au
From: tjf@adl.dmt.csiro.au (Thomas Fung)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Pausing CD players
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:56:27 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Adelaide, Australia


Does anybody know whether it's damaging to a CD player if you leave it
in the paused-play state for extended periods of say from 5mins to 1hr ?

I have a 3-4 year-old Pioneer PD-M500 six-CD changer and it sounds as if
the disc keeps spinning when I pause the player.

So would unnecessary wear of the drive mechanisms likely to be the only
problem ?

What about the laser tracking devices ?  It would seem likely they would
keep on tracking during the paused state.

Thanks in advance.


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From: rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost)
Newsgroups: aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Pausing CD players
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:35:47 GMT
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Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO/Flinders Joint Research Centre in Information Technology


What about the heat build up on the CD itself?.. Thats the main issue
in my opinion. If you have felt a CD after pausing it for long periods
it is really quite warm. 

What are the effects of heating one very small area of the CD for long periods?

No CD players (that I know of) time-out on lengthy pauses, whereas VCRs
all do it (for more obvious reasons).

Just my .05 cents worth B-).



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