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From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: Down to Business (OU/NU)
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.145226.7287@sparky.imd.sterling.com> marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.112252@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>>
>>
>What class are Steve Collins and Cale Gundy in (Fr, So, etc.)?  Also, Whatever
>happened to some of the great OU QB's, Jamelle Hollieway for instance?  Who was
>the QB in the seventies who wore the bandana under his helmet (kind of his
>trademark).  I read or heard somewhere that Charles Thompson was playing for a
>JUCO team somewhere.  The OU QB's were always memorable because they were just
>so damned good.  I can remember many games where they would spring a long one
>and, seemingly, would be in the grasp of the defensive back, only to pitch to
>the trailing halfback who would pop for more yards and usually a score.

Steve Collins is a senior.  Cale Gundy is a junior.
Jamelle Holieway didn't have a chance at an NFL career after he blew out
his knee in '87 (his jr. season).  I heard he was getting involved in 
coaching. ?
The bandana was worn by Thomas Lott.  I think he played pro ball for
a while, maybe the Cardinals?  His successor at OU was J.C. Watts, whom
you might have heard addressing the Republican National Convention in
August.  He is a political office holder in Oklahoma.  And a preacher.

Charle Thompson is playing for an NAIA school as a tailback. He was good.
But never as good as Jamelle, who was arguably the best wishbone qb ever
at OU. 

OU's made the right decision to go to a more passing game.  But I sure
do miss the 'bone days.  That was *it*.  That was college football for
me.

>Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko

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From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: What happened to OU?
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:29:59 GMT

In article <1dueagINNnku@agate.berkeley.edu>, bruce@max.cchem.berkeley.edu
(Bruce Spath) writes:
> >> Scott,
> >>   I'm sorry, but, I have to say you are correct. It saddens me when
> >> my clueless OU friends don't understand this. These are people that
> >> are losers in everyday life and the only thing that is positive is
> >> OU Football, and when they aren't winning, they get upset.
> >> -- 
> >> Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
> >
> >Mike,
> >
> >I'm sorry, but, I have to say that you are a complete idiot.  Your
> accusation
> >in reference to Oklahomans is without basis and devoid of any
> intelligence
> >whatsoever.  Clearly, you are a dolt.  Have a nice day.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The football statement is clearly a reference to OU fans, not to
> Oklahomans.
> As such it is definitely applicable as OU has some of the most obnoxious
> fans in the country.  Note:  they're so arrogant that they assume that a
> > reference to OU applies to all Oklahomans.  Clearly, the responder to
> Mike is
> an OU fan.  Please don't confuse the issue by expanding the population of
> OU to 
> that of the entire state. 
> 
> 
> 					Bruce Spath

Yes....You can go to the four corners of the earth and you will NOT find
a bigger OU fan than me. OU Football is my second religion so-to-speak.
I, for one, grew up in Oklahoma, attented OU. My father played for OU, and
so did my cousin. I follow this all year around. Hell, being an OU fan is
what got me started being a recruiting buff. Bruce was correct, this was
NOT at Oklahomans, but to "wagon jumpers". You know, the people that say
"If we are not winning, its the coaches fault." 

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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:08:02 GMT

>In article <jac1.721881957@Isis.MsState.Edu>, jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox) writes:
>
>|> If Bama has really played up to the #2 ranking it has it would have
>|> beat State's pants off.  The fact that MSU came within 9 says that
>|> Bama isn't as good as they think.  I mean hell...we did get beat
>|> by LSU and South Carolina.
>|> 
>
>  You did beat Florida and Texas on the road...
>
>  Being #2 in the country does not mean you have to beat the pants off the #16
>(or whatever) team in the country.  Being able to come back and win (especially on
>the road) the way Bama did against a fine Mississippi State team certainly
>says something about the team and further justifies their #2 ranking.  This was
>the game which was supposed to decide the SEC West in all the preseason hype, it
>lived up to it.  Coach Sherrill did an outstanding job at halftime getting his 
>team prepared for the 2nd half.
>  "The Tide found a way to win when they had gotten down and State was on a roll;
>that's what it takes to win a National Championship"  Watson Brown
>
>
>
>

Maybe you had better show Watson about the recent trends in the polls
to move ppl up by pasting patsies....

cmuck

ps- I really don't want to see A&M run it up on TCU, but if that is
    what the AP wants....
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From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES 
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:30:10 GMT

From article <1992Nov16.225832.8543@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day):
> 
> No 6-6 team deserves a bowl bid.  I wouldn't be
> suprised if Iowa would decline if possible.
> 
	Iowa will accept any bowl bid it gets, inthe words of
Hayden Fry, "I'd accept a bid to the toilet bowl"
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From: stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Huskers loss to Iowa St.
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:33:25 GMT
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Organization: General Dynamics Corp.

Argggh.  For once I wished I lived out of radio reception distance
from the Californians for Nebraska broadcast of the games from
Glendale. (870 am).  For those Huskers who live around the country,
I listened in disbelief as we went 3 and out, 3 and out, while the
Cyclones kept running on our defense, stalling out around the 30,
and kicking the fieldgoals.  Those drives where the Huskers 
actually moved got stalled around the 35-40, too far for a field
goal try.  After our touchdown I thought, 'good, we'll get them
now', but we didn't do a darn thing all game.  Credit the Cyclones
for playing an inspired game.
On the bright side, had we blown them away, we'd march into Norman
and be on the short end of a blowout.  Now, I'm sure the team has
gotten enough motivation to not let down on the Sooners, which is
NEVER an easy game no matter what the records are.

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From: $garyf@SASB.BYU.EDU (Gary B. Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: BYU-UTAH HYPE
Organization: Brigham Young University
Distribution: world

In article <ac#@byu.edu> cheopr@bones.et.byu.edu (Chem. E. Operator) writes:
>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:04:42 MST
>From: cheopr@bones.et.byu.edu (Chem. E. Operator)
>Subject: Re: BYU-UTAH HYPE
>
>In article <1992Nov15.191612.1@cc.uvcc.edu>, maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>>Big game....
>>Big rivalry...
>>
>>After a disappointing start (1-2 in the WAC, and 1-3 overall) 
>>BYU has a lot to play for this weekend in Salt Lake against Utah.
>>
>>With a BYU win comes their 4th straight WAC champianship!!!
>
>I don't think that a BYU win over Utah will give BYU the WAC championship.  There would need to be about another 3 if's for this to happen.

Not the outright title, but a tie for the championship.  Another team will 
go to the holiday bowl, but BYU still gets the recognition.

Gary
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:07:06 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL


>>Bottom line, the only explanation I can see for this is margin of victory.
>>Miami has schedule strength, they have Won/lost/tie total, they have defense,
>> etc...  Does anyone out there realize that Iowa, Arizona, FSU, PSU, TCU, 
							     ^^^
>>and Temple all had their WORST offensive point totals against Miami???
		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


FSU got 16 points against Miami, but only 13 against Virginia.


D. Head
FSU `91
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:21:42 CST

This most of the posts in this thread have nothing to do with "Best looking
cheerleaders".  If you are going to change the topic of the thread, please
take the time to change the subject line as well.  Some of the horny guys
in a never-ending quest for the best-looking cheerleaders have been
disheartened to see that this thread has turned into a band discussion.
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re:  Greatest of the Eighties (BOWL BOUND)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:41:05 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

>The biggest surprise of this game in the opinion of several analysts
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>was the FSU kicking game, but as Keith Jackson pointed out during the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>telecast, neither kick was a potential game-winner at the end of the
>game, and hence there was no pressure.  The Miami run defense was
>outstanding, as expected, and so were the FSU special teams.  "Neon"
>Deion had an average game, but McManus really came alive in the
>second half.  In the first half he was only 6-14-39, 1TD 1INT.


Actually the FSU kicking game was not a weakness with Derek Schmidt.  It has
only been since he left that FSU has had problems getting the ball through the
uprights.  I seem to recall that Derek left FSU as the leading all-time scorer
in FSU history.
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UCLA bowl hopes !!
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:28:17 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov20.092751.7401@leland.Stanford.EDU> thedm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus M. Trevino) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.210541.19730@mic.ucla.edu> bryan@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Bryan LittleField ) writes:
>> If they can beat USC this saturday they will be 6-5 ...
>> They should be going somewhere !!!!

I think that this is an extremely big if.

>They are!! They are going to watch the Freedom Bowl. ;)

Actually, UCLA has a huge,loyal alumni base, and thus woul be attractive
to some bowls (Copper!?).  That is assuming that the alumni wouln't
be ashamed to attend a bowl after going 2-5 in the Pac10 and
when Pac10 teams that hammered them this year didn't go.

NAAA---they're UCLA, they deserve it, right?  :=}  :={

[Note the bias of a WSU fan who is always tired of having the
big Pac10 schools try to put the financial screws on WSU.
It was delightful to see USC last year and UCLA this year
finish #8 or worse in the Pac10---kinda destroys their
invincible mistique with the huge SCal recruiting base.]

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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Holiday Bowl (Illinois or MSU)
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:45:56 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <Bxx1z2.GCJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
> 	The Holiday Bowl has announced that the winner of the Illinois v.
> Michigan State game in Champaign will go to the Holiday Bowl, regardless
> of what Iowa does.  Iowa will go to the Copper Bowl if they should win.
> So there will be three or four Big 10 teams in bowls, not including Penn
> State.

	Maybe I should do this predicting stuff for a living :).

Brett
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: Non-Conf records
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:54:44 GMT

In article <By1Dxs.Gyo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.205754.23615@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> peavy@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (R. Marshall Peavy) writes:
>>Does anyone out there have overall Non-Conf records for the PAC-10 and the
>>BIG-10?  
>>
>>I have a feeling that this stat would really show how bad the Big-10 is and
>>how tough the PAC-10 is.  Might also explain why my Cougs have every right
>>to be in a bowl (aside $$$) and why Iowa should be at home for the holidays.
>
>	The Big Ten was 13-17-1.  The only decent teams beaten among the
>	13 were Cal, by Purdue (at the time, of course), Syracuse, by
>	Ohio State (handily), and Michigan's tie with Notre Dame, if you
>	want to call that a success.  Other teams beaten were Bowling Green
>	(twice), Northern Illinois (twice), Iowa State, Missouri (twice),
>	Miami (O), Louisville, Oklahoma State, and Houston.  A sorry lot,
>	to be sure...
>
>	The losses include Colorado (twice), Miami (F), NC State, San Jose
>	State, Washington, Notre Dame (thrice), Boston College (twice),
>	Rutgers, Central Michigan, Toledo, Houston, Kentucky, and Pitt.
>	Some very good, some not good at all...
>

I agree that the BIG10 is in a sorry state this year, but I wonder which
conferences have had tougher out-of-conference schedules? I know the SEC
has a pretty easy out-of-confence this year. The PAC10 has played Notre Dame
Oklahoma, Miami, Nebraska, ??? Has anyone compiled a list of 
out-of-confernece schedule strength? Maybe by taking an average ranking from
the computer polls...

-bob
a Michigan fan

>
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From: crespo@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:56:12 GMT
	<RHOUSTON.92Nov18123907@peoa.glacier.sim.es.com>
Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA


>I can stand to watch BYU or SDSU or some other dinky WAC school beat
>up on them... 

If I remember correctly, last year in the Holiday Bowl Iowa was LUCKY
to come out with a tie agaist a "dinky" BYU team...

i.
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From: rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:43 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Nov18.152425.12729@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>In article <Bxx2Er.Gn0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>>jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>
>>>rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>
>>>>They almost lost to Purdue and they played a pathetic game
>>>>against Illinois and went for a last second tie ... giving
>>>>up any chance to win the MNC.
>>
>>>>ND, on the other hand, beat BYU, Boston College, and
>>>>Penn State.  If they keep the string alive and beat  
>>>>USC then I don't see why they should be ranked behind
>>>>the Wolverines.  ANy other opinions ...
>>
>>>>		- rob
>>
>>>Can you give me any justification why the header has :
>>>     Michigan, ND, Miami etc .. 
>>
>>>Oh about the other question, rob - maybe it's because ND has a loss !!!
>>
>>Buzz, wrong, try again.
>>
>>This doesn't wash.  fsu has a loss, but their ahead of A&M.
>>
>>Todd
>>
>
>
>Probably because they tied at South Bend - If the teams are even then
>slight edge to Michigan for the tie at the other team's home.
>
>
>John L
>

Sorry bud,

but Michigan tied the Illini at Ann Arbor ... these excuses
don't hold up.
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:06:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.035732.580@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>They almost lost to Purdue and they played a pathetic game
>against Illinois and went for a last second tie ... giving
>up any chance to win the MNC.
>
>ND, on the other hand, beat BYU, Boston College, and
>Penn State.  If they keep the string alive and beat  
>USC then I don't see why they should be ranked behind
>the Wolverines.  ANy other opinions ...
>
>		- rob
>

I also kinda thought, and hoped, that Michigan would drop below ND.
Especially considering all the crap that we hear whenever someone
"plays for a tie," I thought that would be Michigan's "punishment."
Despite all the talk about schedule strengths, however, it seems
clear that the won-loss record is almost always more important, and
on that basis it's hard to convince anyone that ND should be ranked
ahead of Michigan.  It'll probably be moot when USC finally ends
their 9 years of frustration against the Irish in a couple of weeks.



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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Syracuse vs. Miami
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:53:44 GMT

So many people are already talking about #1 - #2 showdowns
on New Year's Day that I thought I would stir up some talk
about the games that are still left.  This week's match-up
of (1) Miami and (9) Syracuse should be a big one.

Okay, so who has an opinion (am I opening up a Pandora's Box
here or what?).  I'll say the Canes by 10, though I think the
game will be brutal. 

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:04:28 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) wrote:
}
}                    ND usually gets a very ugly reception down south, which
}has soured many ND alums from ever wanting to play there again.  

Can you elaborate on this?  Did Notre Dame get a "very ugly reception"
in Birmingham, AL or Clemson, SC or Baton Rouge, LA or Jackson, MS or
at any other place they have played "down south" in recent memory?
Or are you really just talking about Miami, which is hardly representative
of the south?

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From: v003nnc3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Syracuse vs. Miami
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.185344.5644@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes...
>So many people are already talking about #1 - #2 showdowns
>on New Year's Day that I thought I would stir up some talk
>about the games that are still left.  This week's match-up
>of (1) Miami and (9) Syracuse should be a big one.
> 
>Okay, so who has an opinion (am I opening up a Pandora's Box
>here or what?).  I'll say the Canes by 10, though I think the
>game will be brutal. 
> 
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I say Syracuse by 3 pts.  

Mr. Bungle
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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Illinois all the way, Bay-bee!! (was, Bowl Game for MSU?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:31:35 GMT

ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>dames@cs.uiuc.edu (Raymond Dames) writes:
>>>how come people always overlook Illinois?  Sure, they may have lost to some
>>>perennial powerhouses like Northwestern, Minnesota, and Houston, but c'mon,
>>>Minnesota and Houston were road losses.  At 5-4, 3-3 in the BIG 10, they are
>>>ready to hop into the driver's seat for 2nd place, a very prestigious spot in
>>>this year's BIG 10.  
>Illinois is not a good team this year.  They have not done well in a conference
>that is in a down year.  After Michigan, there is a big dropoff in quality
>teams.

What do you have to say about this after we tied the mighty Michigan???

>>>I mean, all it would take is a _minor_ upset this Saturday over Michigan and
>If Illinois beats Michigan, it would be the biggest upset this year.

Hmmm...


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