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From: bbs.zio@tsoft.sf-bay.org (James Elkinton)
Subject: Re: I DID give up on the Amiga!
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:01:42 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

> In article <torrie.711624470@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan
> [ ]
> 
> >  CD-ROM readers have to be tougher than the ordinary audio CD player.
> >I don't know how much that extra ruggedness adds to the cost though, 
> >or how much is just due to lack of market demand.
> 
> This is the standard line and it has been disputed by enough people that I
> don't believe it. I do realize that a CD-ROM reader is not exactly an audio
> one, but they basically work the same way. There's no reason why CD-ROM's
> shouldn't cost around $200 except for that fact that few computers use them.
> When the SNES, Sega CD-ROM's come out at that price we shall see how the
> computer industry justifies $800 readers. And by the way, NEC has a $150
> CD-ROM reader for their game system, and it does have to do a fair amount of
> accessing.
>  
> Philip McDunnough
> philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Actually, a rep from Sony was on KGO 810AM (an all news station in the 
San Francisco area) saying precisely that, during talk of a Data CD 
Player that uses 3" CDs and comes w/Grolier's Encyclopaedia and a novel.  
He stated that minor glitches are rarely noticeable in Audio until they 
are numerous, but with data, no errors can truly be tolerated.  So more 
exacting standards exist for Data CDs.  Sounds more than logical.
 

--
James Elkinton (bbs.zio@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: NeXt used a MAGNETO-OPTIC drive, not CD-ROM....
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:14:37 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Mike Schwartz:  NeXt originally came with a magneto-optical
drive from I think it was Canon installed -- a slow, and non-standard
implementation at that, compared to Sony's, Maxtor's, etc.  It was there
instead of a hard drive... the next go around of NeXt machines went to hard
drives instead....  

CD-ROM are NOT the same thing; they have even creepier access times and
much slower throughput than read/write optical drives.... they're based on
the Philips-Sony compact disc-digital audio drives, which were designed for
playing back 44.1 kilosample per second 16 bit digital audio data of 72
minutes' druation.  They were NOT designed for speedy read/write access of
32 bit wide data feeding 50 MHz microprocessors, or for handling digital
video data of 24 bit planes of images of at least 640 X 480 running at 30
or 60 frames per second..... 

Translation: would people PLEASE pay attention to the difference between
different types of storage media and drives?! [another difference --
standard CD-ROM drives do NOT have write heads, they are READ-ONLY
devicecs, as in, CD-ROM = Compact Disc- READ ONLY MEMORY........


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Subject: AMIGA vs. IBM AUDIO???
From: avogel@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:03:16 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I have a question.
I know of someone that is buying a 16 bit audio board
for his IBM 386.  It is PAS (power audio systems or something like that)
Anyway he is getting it mail order for about $219.
Now this is a 16 bit audio board.  For the AMIGA 16 bit just came out
like Sunrize Industry's Studio 16.  I am an AMIGA user and I always thought 
that the AMIGA had the edge in this area - what is the whole story here?
Can this IBM board sample?  How do they compare?
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: let commodore speak
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:39:41 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

robert.buonincontro@canrem.com (robert buonincontro) writes:

>-> That was sad... Real sad...  Sorry but Mr. Robinson is right... That
>-> is just by the posting of this letter.... sigh... I agree with Mr.
>-> Robinson.
>->
>-> Just my $0.02

> And that's all it's worth!

> While I do agree with some of what Mr. Robinson said Commodore deserves
>the right to have their say. They also deserve the right to have a fair
>review. Mr. Robinsons article was destructive. Not just to Commodore but
>to the many Retailers and Consumers who handle Amiga products.

I agree.  I understand why Mr. Robinson would write such an article.  
Nevertheless, he could have toned down a little.  He could have said 
the Amiga is dying slowly.  If Commodore doesn't act quick enough,
the Amiga will die off in a couple of years.  

But instead, he said "The Amiga is dead... If you have an Amiga, don't
fret about [Newtek's VideoToaster].  You've adapted to living in the dark..."

The fact is: the Amiga isn't dead *yet*  Therefore, I don't think Mr.
Robinson's comment is correct.

Now, if he gave the former comment (as in C= needs to do something now), 
I would have agreed with him completely.


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Just my Humble Opinion.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Ethan Solomita (was Re: LEAVE MARC BARRET ALONE!)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:13:28 GMT

es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>>
>	It is good to see that some things never change. 8-)
>	-- Ethan

Sure do miss you around here, Ethan!   No one to argue with about CD-I ;-)

Now, if you know where Mike Farren is these days, we'll all be happy!

regards - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:36:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 cus.sat.tx.us>< <62536@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Jul22.065748.3027@desire.wright.edu>
  <parris.711821356@fig.cs.scarolina.edu>
  <torrie.711914413@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>

Before you throw rocks at Dell, keep in mind they spend about
3% on This from an interview with Michael Dell in a 
recent Upside magazine.

I thought I'd read CBM spends 2.2% on R&D.

Its definitely volume that keeps the price of these things low.

And... never mind. I could write a book on the whole thing...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?y
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:26:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.073751.3061@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1100@se.alcbel.be>, magu@se.alcbel.be (Mike Aguilar) writes:
>> 
>> > 
>> One of the reason for the PCs dominance was the proliferation of its 
>> compatibles. Why can't the Amiga have a compatible?  Who says it can't,
>> Commodore?  I'm sure most of you will agree that Amiga is not just Commodore.
>> 
>	Hey, Think about this: IBM the original "clone" maker is out of
>	the clone market.  They have there own architecture (MCA).  Their
>	own OS (OS/2). Why? They weren't making money in the face of the 
>	clown market.
>
>	The companies that are "running" the clone market are Intel and
>	Microsoft.  The clone makers all follow their guidlines and maybe
>	add a little twist to distinguish their machine from the rest of the 
>	pack.
>
>	How do you think Commodore would make money and stay in business
>	by letting the Amiga architecture be cloned?  BTW I think 
>	Commodores' pricing is a bit too high, but not as bad as most
>	people in this group generally say.  I don't expect Commodore
>	to sell as cheap as a clone maker who has much less R&D
>	expenditures than Commodore (does anybody know Gateways R&D
>	spending?) Also the Amiga market is relatively small.  I still
>	like the machine in spite of it and Commodores' problems.

   Since Commodore has to rely mostly on technologies developed within the
company, it is not realistic to compare Commodore to a company like Gateway,
which can rely on technologies developed by other companies.  It would be
far better to compare Commodore to Apple Computer, Sun MicroSystems, or other
companies that develop most of the technologies for the systems in-house.
BTW, Apple Computer averages 8% spending on R&D, and Sun averages 12% 
spending on R&D (both as a % of total sales).

>Fred Heitkamp	     *** No Sig ***  (Is it now a sig by default?)

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From: addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 25 Jul 1992 17:23:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In <1992Jul25.163731.22221@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   The S&Ls destroyed themselves.  The fault was not that our government
>destroyed them, but that they tried too hard to save them.  S&Ls are agencies
>that lend money so that people can purchase homes.  With the real estate 
>market booming in the 70s, the S&Ls overinvested in the market.  Then when the
>real estate market crashed, it took most of the S&Ls with it.  Our government
>stepped in to save them, allowing them more freedoms in how S&Ls could invest
>their money, which lead to corruption and outright fraud with funds that the
>S&Ls knew were federally guaranteed to depositors.  When the real estate
>market crashed (something that was not preventable), our government should
>have let the S&Ls die and just payed off the depositors then and there; it
>would then have cost the taxpayers $30 Billion instead of $300 Billion.  

>   BTW, this is a perfect argument for getting socialism the hell out of our
>government.  Bailouts of any kind -- whether they are for individuals or
>firms -- are socialist policies.  If our government had just let the free
>market takes its toll, it would have saved $270 Billion in the long run.  

If you are saying that there should be no bailouts of any kind, why do _you_
come up with the $270 billion savings.  According to your argument, the
savings would be $300 billion.

But that is irrelevant.

Are you aware of the runs on the banks some sixty years ago?  People would
get panicked when they heard _rumors_ that a bank was failing.  They would
rush over a attempt to withdraw all their deposits.  Now since a bank only
keeps a percentage of their deposits on reserve for cash withdrawals, they
could not fulfill the depositors' requests.

The FDIC was created in order to assuage the panic of the depositors.  If
depositors knew that there deposit was guaranteed, they wouldn't have to
attempt to withdraw all of it when a bank became insolvent.

Unfortunately, the FSLIC was abused.  You even say that the government
allowed S&Ls more latitude in how they could invest their money.  [But,
as someone who espouses less government interference, wouldn't this be
something with which you would agree?]

--Richard
From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: PeeCees are kludge after kludge after kludge. What total shit.
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:01:40 GMT

hawk@pnet01.cts.com (John Anderson) writes:


>>OK John, then maybe this'll do.  I'm an Amiga user, so in your view, I'm in 
>>"my" group, right?  OK, so shut the hell up.  You're getting as annoyning as
>>Marc Barrett, and starting to remind me of Thomas Hill (ala ST basher).     
>                                                                             
>>Tony Poole                                                                  
>                                                                             
>Oh! Dan Stephenson's gonna eat this one up!                                  
>                                                                             
>btw, I don't recall asking for your opinion                                  

BFD, I gave it to you.  Who asked for your opinion or voice on ANYTHING?

Why don't you just give it a rest???  Please?

I put you in my kill file, but I still end up reading your crap through
follow-ups.  What do you think you are proving by playing Mr. Broken Record?

-- 

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Traverse City, MI USA          tony@cherry1.trv.mi.us * tony@cherry1.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: catapcnl@Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: TOS - Did they ever fix it
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:43:28 GMT


Did they ever fix that crap in Atari's TOS about those Line A and Line F  
op-codes (for the unininitiated - Atari uses (used?) illegal (on the 68000)  
instructions (that triggered software exceptions) to call many system routines.   
Anyways, this wasn't a *great* idea - TOS bombed on the advanced processors  
that used these instructions, and therefore killed off much development with  
advanced processors)?  Or are they still there, ready to crucify the Falcon?
--
Chris Lawrence
Pretender to the Throne; Destroyer of the Faith
-----------------------------------------------
"Giving money and power to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to  
teenage boys."
     - P. J. O'Rourke, "Parliament of Whores"
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Niven and Pournelle (was Re: PC World's John C. Dvorak Speaks Out...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:01:21 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC) writes:

>Apparently, the Niven-Pournelle collaborations are _true_ collaborations, in
>that they really and truly did _both_ write them.  Successful enterprises of
>this sort are _VERY_ rare, especially ones of consistent high quality.

  There's got to be more to it than meets the eye or is offered by way of
explanation by the authors.  All you have to do to see this for yourself is
to read works done by themselves, Larry Niven on his own is a joy to read
while Jerry is not.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: PeeCees?!? AAAAAAAAAAAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:43:32 GMT

chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>>Or if you say compares to 286, why not go into a 286 mb for $50.00
>>
>>Wow!  286 megs for only $50!  Kidding...
>
>mb stands for MotherBoard (mb).

Yes, that is why I was kidding (i.e., joking).

-- Gerald
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:41:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Jul30.144130.28768
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>OK, looks like you mentioned 4 or 5 "must have" games for the PC.  Can anyone
>name one for the Amiga?

DarkCastle!  ;) ;) ;) ;)
haven't you heard of Dark Castle before, Mike??? ;) ;)

Actually, I have never seen Amiga's Dark Castle.  Dark Castle is very 
famous among Mac people though.  I saw my friend playing it.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

>--
>Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
>Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:08:33 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <9424@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <33324@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> >
> >In fact, if you look at IBM's
> >XGA, Intel's DVI, or any number of new graphics-related architectures, you'll
> >see quite a bit of the same ideas that have comprised the Amiga architecture
> >since "ancient times".  
>
>Yeah, last I read they are catching up. XGA is even said to have one (1!)
>sprite!!! They call it the "cursor" :-)))

   How many sprites are available in Productivity or SuperHiRes with four 
colors?  Answer: one.

>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
>				   or  peterk@public.sub.org

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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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"If you like Congress, you'll **LOVE** Bill Clinton."
                                --new campaign slogan
From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OH MY GOD...I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:27:33 GMT
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Mon 27 Jul 92 17:56, Jbgoldsm@cats.ucsc.edu (joshua B Go
wrote:

 JBG> I saw it too, and that was here on the opposite side of the US way
 JBG> out
 JBG> in California.  Amazing, I wish I recorded it...  That is the first
 JBG> TV
 JBG> advertisement that I have EVER seen for an Amiga.  It wasn't a bad
 JBG> commercial
 JBG> either though it could have given more details about the CDTV
 JBG> itself...

  I have seen two ads.. before the CDTV. One was the "Oh Stevie" slew and
the other was "I am the Commodore Amiga 500.." I have seen the CDTV
commercial.

They are all neat.. still wouldn't want to BUY a CDTV though.

Mike.. 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

UUCP.. yeah? So what?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:49:39 GMT

troy@bluemoon.rn.com (Troy Fridley) writes:
: The problem here is that most MS-DOSers,OS/2ers, ect. Have NEVER seen 
: Performance! Point-n-FACT!

Where is your proof.

:                 troy
: 
:   Does one actually need a brain to think?  Obviously Not!

You are living proof.

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:56:41 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul23.211316.24019@infonode.ingr.com> lovealld@infonode.ingr.com (David Loveall) writes:
> In <mykes.09pk@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
> >I pitched an Amiga project to a very big software publisher in the US.
> >They said NO, we don't expect the Amiga to be around next year.
>
> Isn't it a little galling that, should that prophesy come true, that
> their decision would have played a good part in it?  I'm sure they
> wouldn't see it that way, though.
>
> Its funny, though for how long the Amiga's imminent demise has been
> predicted.  Four or five years?
>

Such predictions come from PC people who write magazine articles.  US
companies have supported the Amiga (albeit not with the strongest of
software) fairly consistently.  Check out how many LucasFilm, EA,
Accolade, SSI, etc., Amiga titles you will see in the store.  The
scary thing is when those who supported the Amiga stop!

> ... and the Windows lemmings continue to march on, sigh.
>
> >--
> >Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
> >Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
> >Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
> >1124 Fremont Ave.
> >Los Altos, CA 94024
>
> --
> David Loveall                      | "Invent a new Mexican Junk
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--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024