HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh)
Subject: Re: Peel
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:06:37 PDT
Keywords: Distributer

In article <1992Aug20.154032.28866@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> ead@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (eric.duesing) writes:
>
>Is there a US or North American distributer of the Peel?  Are 
>the flight characteristics similar to the Flexifoil?  What are
>the differences?
>
[stuff deleted]

The U.S. distributor (possibly sole) for the Peel is What's Up in
Chagrin Falls, Ohio, (216) 247-4222. As far as I know they are a
wholesaler only, and a call to them may get you the names of some
dealers near you..


Good Winds and Tight Lines!

                           Wind Wizard

Purveyor of High Quality, High Performance Stunt Kites and Accessories
From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Kite making
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:43:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Aug13.174306.23381
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <14922@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>
>In terms of materials, get a catalog from High Fly Kite Co. at 
>30 West End Avenue, Haddonfield, NJ  08033 or Hang 'em High Fabrics at 1420
>Yale Avenue, Richmond, VA  23224.

You wouldn't have ph#'s for either of these Co's? would, you?
Or is there another recommended store?

>High Fly is probably a bit cheaper.  Hang 'em High will include a set of
>also sells a series of kite kits (a delta, a D/C, a facet, a thai cobra, and
>a 3/4 stunt kite).  All of these kits, very reasonably priced, include 
>pre-cut fabric, bridles, and hardware.  You just sew the bits and pieces 
>together following the directions.  A great way to start building your
>own kites.
>
>There are books out there that have plans for stunt kites, but it seems
>like most of the good ones aren't in English.  If you speak German, this
>may not be a problem.  In fact, once you know what you're doing, you
>could probably use the plans in a foreign language book...  

Ok, some of us do know German but haven't heard of these books.
Do you know where we could find them, or names of them, etc?

>As for winging it, well, some of us do that.

Winging it is great, it's worked for me so far!

Thanks,
-Pete
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------
Pete Ikusz	Introl Corporation	pete@introl.com
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Big Damn Kites
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:23:13 GMT

In <10158@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser) writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.145354.20370@tamsun.tamu.edu> mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         ) writes:
>>I didn't bother to read all of them, but a scan of the messages around
>>here showed that most of the discussion was on store-bought stunt
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>kites.  Has anyone built any heavy lift kites, of the style of Cody?

(text deleted)

>A reasonable observation, and sad really. It appears that few if any are
>interested in single line kites, and few if any are actually
>building kites for their own pleasure. 

The number stunt kite articles vs single liners does not
necessarily reflect the lack of interest in single liners.
As a new emerging area, the stunt kiting is not so well know
and "documented" as single liners. I know only 2 books on
stunt kites/flying.  This is definitely part of the reason
why we have so much discussions about different "products".

All my previous postings to rec.kites have been stunt kite
related, but it does not mean I wouldn't be interested in
single liners, too. - Actually Pat's acticle generated some
questions about his Rokkakus, but I'll mail my questions 
to Pat directly.

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: jimh@tcpbbs.pcn.org (UUCP SYSOP)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Kite making
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 01:06:40 EDT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

berry@ssd.kodak.com (Mike Berry) writes:

> 
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
>  Ive read a few posts that mention people making their own kites and
> that they are cheaper  that store bought.  Well, does anybody have any
> good tips on maling kites.  I'd like to give it a try (after seeing the
> price of these thing) but have got no clue as to where to get the stuff
> I need or what I need.  Are there 'plans' for making them or do
> you just kinda wing it.   Any info would be great.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> mike
> 
> berry@ssd.kodak.com

Check your local Library,  I have found quite a few books with plans there. 
I am sorry that I don't remember the names of the books.  But there are 
plans for everything from Diamonds to stunters.

###################################################################
Jim Haynes, TCP BBS in Lakewood Ohio   JimH@tcpbbs.pcn.org         
   or On the Cleveland Freenet         ac092@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
###################################################################
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: era_pul@arkimedes.ki.ericsson.se (Peter Ulfheden consultant)
Subject: Re: Stacked Flexi's.... Yum!!!
Organization: Ericsson Radio Sytems AB, Sweden
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:45:03 GMT

In article <Bsuz92.BKq@ibmpcug.co.uk> gaffer@ibmpcug.co.uk (Andrew Beattie) writes:


>   Drop me a line if you would like a copy of my recent article about how
>   to fly large numbers of flexies.
>
>   Andrew

Can you post it to all of us?

Peter

PS.
   My mail to about this you bounced

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 S-191 44 Sollentuna, SWEDEN |  Fax:   +46 8 35 04 29
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From: jmmorse@feds54.prime.com (Jeff Morse x4858)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Kite Flying Areas
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:03:50 GMT
Reply-To: jmmorse@feds54.prime.com (Jeff Morse x4858)
Distribution: ma
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

I live northeast of Boston and am looking for some good places to fly kites.

I would appreciate any information available about areas in and around Boston,
but mostly on the North shore and the Cape.

Thanks.

Jeffrey Morse
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: robind@code3.com (Robin P. Dunn)
Subject: Re: Anyone fly a Prism?
Summary: Prism
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.203608.39048@introl.introl.com> pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz) writes:

>Does anyone have any information on a kite called a "Prism"?
>I saw one in our local shop and it looked rather fancy,
>unfortunately I didn't get a chance to test fly it.
>
>Any comments, recommendations, experiences would be appreciated.

I bought a 'Prism Radian' about a month ago when I was on the Oregon Coast.  
I just absolutly love it!  

It is very smooth and has a light pull even in moderate winds, yet is quite 
fast and very responsive in turns.  The top and bottom of the bridle are 
easily and quickly adjustable to control the 'radicalness' of the turns and 
to adjust for higher winds.  The upper spreader and the battens can be 
selectivly removed to adjust for ultra-light conditions.

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From: plank@eskimo.celestial.com (David Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: W.S.I.K.F.
Keywords: kite festival
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:22:50 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-


 The Washington State International Kite Festival starts this week,
anyone planning on attending? This will the 5th year we have gone..great
event, I believe it one of the biggest in the country.

 I can honestly say, I've never met a kite flyier I didn't like. (
Well.. maybe that guy that was flying over my head and cut the line to
my spinoff...haha)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh)
Subject: Re: New American Kite
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:00:25 PDT

In article <66474@hydra.gatech.EDU> sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:
>Well, it's here. Power kiting that is. Right there on the front
>cover. Just got my issue yesterday and read the article about
>the guy up in Jersey (can't remember his name off the top
>of my head and the mag is at home). Looks like this part of
>our sport will finally be discussed and get more than just
>here say and rumor. 
>
>Good article and it's about time that it got some press. Just thought
>everyone would like to know.
>
>Latter.
>
>
>-- 
>
>The Mad Hata  
>
>"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"

It is a good article, and about time that this aspect of the sport is
openly discussed.. The guy's name is Anthony Chrisafulli, BTW..  Maybe
someone will do an article on George Baskette and his NitroFly Flexi
stacks..

Something else in the new American Kite is a letter to the editor by
Kevin Lahey (kml@sware.com) plugging the rec.kites newsgroup and the
kites mailing list!! Good going, Kevin!!

Good Winds and Tight Lines!

                             Wind Wizard

Purveyor of High Quality, High Performance Stunt Kites and Accessories
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Big Damn Kites
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:56:59 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <10158@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Pat Prosser) writes:
>to do Teddy Jumps, and occasionaly we lift children. 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Patrick

Speaking from the position a responsible kitist, this DOES NOT seem
to be a good idea! Any type of lifting of objects or people is best 
left to experienced, qualified kite fliers and to use a child as an
object to be lifted by what is at best a marginal method is very
IRRESPONSIBLE! Not only can extensive injury occur should things go
wrong, witness Dean Jordan, but in doing such an activity with a
spectator/volunteer, you open yourself up to all types of liability
and litigation.

Think it over.


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Kite Making Info Wanted
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:25:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <3705@cvbnetPrime.COM> jmmorse@feds54.prime.com (Jeff Morse x4858) writes:
(text deleted)
>
>Towards this end, I have a few questions I hope someone can answer for me:
>
>1) Is it difficult to find material and parts?

No. High Fly Kite Co., Into The Wind, etc., will all carry what you
need/want. Get a copy of American Kite or KiteLines for additional 
adds/shops. I don't have the telephone nos. handy. (Their at home -
I'm at work)

>2) Do I need special thread or a heavy-duty sewing machine?

No. A regular sewing machine will do. Personally I prefer totally
sythetic thread, but any good quality thread from a peice goods
shop will do the trick. PS: use a thin needle for most work (about
a size 10). Also, many people swear by walking feet (about $20-$30)
but I haven't had a chance to give mine a good test yet.

>3) What are the best books & magazines for tips, techniques and patterns?

Again, American Kite and Kitelines are the best magazine sources in
the US. KiteLines has a book service that is quite extensive. For a
beginner, Kites For Everyone, by Margret Greger, is a good starting
point. Pelhams book, The Penguin Book of Kites (?), is good for
diagrams, brief history and general techniques, but no specific "plans". 
Sport kite plans are tough to come by. Schimmelphennig's book, available
as English translation, has a few such plans though. 



-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Big Damn Kites
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:08:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug13.152052.18192@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> sasaki@tle.enet.dec.com writes:
>

(Lots of text deleted)

>
>Contrary to what people might think, a good flying single line kite is
>more difficult to make than a stunt kite. With a stunt kite, small
>variations in side to side symmetry can be compensated for by the
>flyer. With a single line kite, if the the kite is crooked, it will
>likely fly crooked.
>

Here, here. Thanks for bring out this point. As mainly a single line
maker, I couldn't agree more. Good fighters are a nice challenge for
single line. Of course my favorite single liner to make and have fly
well is an Eddy kite, complete with line around the outside edge. Now
some folks will tell you to leave it out, but then you dont't have a true
Eddy. The key to getting an Eddy to fly correctly is:

1) Make the sail about 5% wider than the frame
2) Bow the thing about 5% of the lenght (which is the same as the width)
3) Keep it absolutely symetrical

If you do the above things, an Eddy is a marvelously flying kite that
doesn't generate a whole bunch of pull but flies at a very high angle
with no tail. Of course a tail can be added for visual appeal, but 
correctly made, it doesn't require one to fly straight and stable.

 

-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: New American Kite
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:19:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Well, it's here. Power kiting that is. Right there on the front
cover. Just got my issue yesterday and read the article about
the guy up in Jersey (can't remember his name off the top
of my head and the mag is at home). Looks like this part of
our sport will finally be discussed and get more than just
here say and rumor. 

Good article and it's about time that it got some press. Just thought
everyone would like to know.

Latter.


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Phantom vs Phantom Shadow (was: Kite Lines Survey!?!?!)
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:46:48 GMT

In <13337@pogo.wv.tek.com> daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) writes:

>and has 2200 rod.  The Shadow has beaman rod.  The kite shop isn't sure what
>the heck a Pro is or what makes it different (BTW, they seem to be selling out
>of their Highflyers to be able to switch over to Tim Benson Phantoms). 

My local shop sells two Shadows, but they are the Shadow and the Shadow II.
The difference is simply that the Shadow II has two extra panels - the large
centre panel is split into three. This costs about fourteen pounds more.

>Of course since everyone seems to be switching over to the Tim Benson Phantom
>the debate is probably going to become moot.

If I'd known...

-- 
Andy Lewis  (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] Burning Perrier")
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: mail magazines
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:57:21 GMT
Followup-To: misc.misc
Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: kckbxr@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu's message of 19 Aug 92 21:29:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.212957.8284@wam.umd.edu> kckbxr@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood) writes:
>   No bill or nothing.  Now that I'm not interested in this magazine, how  
>   should I return it.

Throw it in the recycle bin.  It's certainly bulk-mailed, which means
that if you did get it returned to sender, the post office would return
the cover at most, and throw the rest into the trash.

>   On a similar, yet different question:  If a company sends you a  
>   subscription for a magazine/order/whatever and you didn't sign anything,  
>   are you obligated to pay them?  I'm just curious.

Absolutely not.

From:  ``A Consumer's Guide to Postal Crime Prevention'', official
United States Postal Service document:

    A cagey company sends you a _gift_ in the mail---a tie, a good luck
    charm, a key chain.  You didn't order it.  What do you do?

    If you're the kind of person they are looking for, you will feel
    guilty and pay for it.  But you don't have to.
       
    DO ONE OF THESE INSTEAD:

    * If you have not opened the package, make it ``Return to Sender.''
      The Postal Service will send it back at no charge to you.

    * If you open the package and don't like what you find, throw it
      away. 

    * If you open the package and like what you find, keep it---FREE.
      This is a rare instance when finders-keepers applies
      unconditionally. 

    Whatever you do, don't pay for it---and don;t get conned if the
    sender follows up with a phone call or visit.  By law, unsolicited
    merchandise is yours to keep.

If you want a copy of thw work cited, you can get it at your local post
office, or write to: Crime Prevention Coalition, POB 6600, Rockville MD
20850-0635.

Followups to misc.misc.
--

                And for to see, and eke for to be seye
Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu
From: kckbxr@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: mail magazines
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:29:57 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

Yesterday, I received a magazine through the mail that I'm not interested  
in.  American Family Publishers sent me a letter previously saying that  
I'm "not obligated" to purchase it and offered me "a free opportunity" to  
view the magazine for a certain number of days.  They said that if I'm not  
interested, that I could simply return the magazine and that would be all.   
No bill or nothing.  Now that I'm not interested in this magazine, how  
should I return it.  Conveniently, their is no return address on this type  
of magazine.  Should I just write "return to sender" on the stick-on  
mailing address and assume that the post office will take care of it or  
should I tape on a card (usually included within the magazine with the  
magazine office's address on it) and write "return to sender".  Along the  
terms of the offer, I want to return this magazine and cancel before they  
assume that I want to "accept a membership".  

If anybody knows what I should do, please send me a response...especially  
if you've been in the same situation before.

On a similar, yet different question:  If a company sends you a  
subscription for a magazine/order/whatever and you didn't sign anything,  
are you obligated to pay them?  I'm just curious.

Will
  
Newsgroups: rec.mag,alt.zines,chi.general,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Free Publicity for Your Newsletter or Magazine
Followup-To: rec.mag
Organization: Echo Beach
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:45:29 GMT

Free Publicity for Your Newsletter or Magazine

If you haven't already done so, you should write to each of the
following directories and ask them to add a listing for your
newsletter and/or magazine. All of them provide free listings,
and most can be consulted at major public or academic libraries.

 Editor
 Gale Directory of Publications and Broadcast Media
 Gale Research Inc.
 835 Penobscot Building
 Detroit, Michigan 48226-4094  U.S.A.
 telephone (313) 961-2242
 fax (313) 961-6815

 Editor
 Newsletters in Print
 Gale Research Inc.
 835 Penobscot Building
 Detroit, Michigan 48226-4094  U.S.A.
 telephone (313) 961-2242
 fax (313) 961-6815

 Editor
 Standard Periodical Directory
 Oxbridge Communications, Inc.
 150 Fifth Avenue, Suite 302
 New York, N.Y. 10011  U.S.A.
 telephone (212) 741-0231
 fax (212) 633-2938

 Editor
 The Serials Directory
 Ebsco Publishing
 P.O. Box 1943
 Birmingham, AL 35201  U.S.A.

 Editor
 Ulrich's Directory of Periodicals
 Serials Bibliography Department
 R.R. Bowker Co.
 121 Chanlon Road 
 New Providence, N.J. 07974 U.S.A.
 telephone (908) 665-2870
 fax (908) 665-6688

If you would like to receive an International Standard Serial Number
(ISSN) for each of your periodicals, contact:

 National Serials Data Program
 Library of Congress
 Washington, D.C. 20540 U.S.A.
 telephone (202) 707-6452
 (Publishers outside the U.S. should contact their country's national
library for more information about ISSN.)
 In Canada, write to:
  ISDS Canada
  National Library of Canada
  395 Wellington Street
  Ottawa, Ontario
  K1A 0N4

If you would like information on copyrighting your periodicals,
write to:

 Copyright Office
 Library of Congress
 Washington, D.C. 20559  U.S.A.
 telephone (202) 479-0700 for information
 telephone (202) 707-9100 to order forms and booklets
 (Publishers outside the U.S. should also contact their country's
copyright office for information on local copyright laws.)
 In Canada, contact your local office of the federal Department
 of Consumer and Corporate Affairs, or write to:
  Copyright Office
  Consumer and Corporate Affairs Canada
  Ottawa, Ontario
  K1A 0C9
 * list compiled by Nigel Allen

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Newsgroups: rec.mag,misc.consumer
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Re: mail magazines
Organization: Echo Beach
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.212957.8284@wam.umd.edu> kckbxr@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood) writes:
>Yesterday, I received a magazine through the mail that I'm not interested  
>in.  American Family Publishers sent me a letter previously saying that  
>I'm "not obligated" to purchase it and offered me "a free opportunity" to  
>view the magazine for a certain number of days.  They said that if I'm not  
>interested, that I could simply return the magazine and that would be all.   
>No bill or nothing.  Now that I'm not interested in this magazine, how  
>should I return it.  Conveniently, their is no return address on this type  
>of magazine.  Should I just write "return to sender" on the stick-on  
>mailing address and assume that the post office will take care of it or  
>should I tape on a card (usually included within the magazine with the  
>magazine office's address on it) and write "return to sender".  Along the  
>terms of the offer, I want to return this magazine and cancel before they  
>assume that I want to "accept a membership".  

Don't use the subscription order card to cancel your subscription.
Instead, on the inside of the magazine, you'll find some fine print
giving the magazine's address, and usually something like "Postmaster:
Return undeliverable copies to:" followed by an address. Send a letter
or postcard to that address, including the label from the magazine, saying
simply "Please cancel my subscription". This is faster and more reliable
than writing "return to sender" on the magazine; the post office may simply
ignore the instructions and discard the magazine (and anyway someone at
the post office would need to look up the address to return the magazine
to).

>On a similar, yet different question:  If a company sends you a  
>subscription for a magazine/order/whatever and you didn't sign anything,  
>are you obligated to pay them?  I'm just curious.

No.

However, you should make sure that you didn't order it as part of something
else. For example, if you order cable television service, the order form
may include in small print an order for a cable television listings 
magazine.

Nigel Allen           nigel.allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu


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