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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Subject: Tailgaters should bugger off
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:23:49 GMT


	First, there is a neat discussion about tailgating over on
	rec.motorcycles, but beware of flames!

	Second, tailgaters are complete assholes(tm).  They might be
	nice people at home or on the beach, but they do not belong
	behind the wheel of a car.   There are several reasons for this.
	Obviously, tailgating ignores the '2 second' rule, which is
	a logical rule.  Logical because it aids in preventing rear-enders.
	For myself, a motorcyclist (not a biker), it is rather scary
	to have a two ton piece of metal sticking up my butt, especially
	if I have to make an emergency manouvre and (god forbid) hit the
	ground.  You think about it.  Maybe if more people drove motor-
	cycles for ONE DAY of their life, they would be better drivers.
	Another reason would be insurance rates.  Of course ALL these 
	*reasons* are just related to safety, but this one hits us all:
	MONEY.  More accidents => more claims => higher rates.  
	Finally, it's just plain DISCOURTEOUS.   Bumber to bumner traffic
	aside, do you really feel comfortable with somebody 1 foot (approx
	.3m) from the rear end of your 4 to 5 digit price-ranged car?
	(students excepted, in which case it is 2 digits!).  

	Next time somebody tailgates you, let them pass, follow them
	home, and then burn their house down.  : )


    -- 
  
    Craig Hamm, 
    Memorial University		   
    DoD #1500,           
    '81 Maxim 650 

    From 'Viz': Victor Pratt, the stupid twat
    Biker: "My bike's got a flat, Vic"
    Vic:   "Really? Whereabouts is it living?"
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From: 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Canadian channel for US cable subscribers?
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:08:27 GMT

Apparently, ucbvax.berkeley.edu swallowed my message from last Friday.  Here it
is again:

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) has entered a 50-50 joint venture
with a Montreal-based private broadcaster to transmit Canadian TV shows via
satellite to US cable subscribers.  A pilot project will be undertaken in the
near future.  A successful project could lead to a full commercial service, to
be called Northstar, within a year.  One potential problem cited is the lack of
channel space for US cable companies.

The private broadcaster owns a share of a few European TV and radio stations,
which could help the venture gain a foothold in Europe for Northstar.

Glenn
From: foisy@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Christian Foisy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Un bien petit monde
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:13:47 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

>Do you know one difference between Canada and Quebec ?  In Quebec,
>everybody knows everybody or someone who knows him/her.

Gee, isn't it a good feeling?

>Take me for example.

[deleted: links from Dennis to the nephew of Jacques Parizeau up to
          Mario Lemieux]

>And I am part of ordinary people.

You're sure not!  You're one of the few making me post on the net
(usually to disagree).

>Who could say something like that in CSQ?

>Actually, there is a theory that you could touch everybody on the
>earth with 5-step (i.e. A knows B who knows C etc.).  Probably that
>Canada would be a 4-step world and Quebec a 2 or 3-step world.

And your direct family is a 1-1.5-step world (how come?)

Ok, assuming that having a 2-step relationship with Jacques Parizeau
is a good thing (as implied in Dennis' post), what about the bad side? As
a genealogist you probably know why the Chicoutimi region is worldly
known for, don't you?  

For the interested reader, the Chicoutimi region has one of the 
biggest (if not the biggest) database on hereditary diseases 
like Parkinson disease, Duchesne's myopathy (degenerative musculary
disease) and a rather high incidence of familial hypercholesterolimy
(I don't know if this is the right english word).  This is in fact
an heaven for researchers in this field because 1) the extremely
low moving rate of the population 2) cross-linking with people of other 
nationality is almost none (you don't want to mess up the gene's bank! :-)
3) and of course ancestors with the "interesting" defective genes.
With those facts in mind, Chicoutimi should score very low on the
n-step world scale.

So, is being "tricotes serres" (the usual term in Quebec to describe
what Dennis told you about) necessarily a good thing? 

>  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
> /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
>J   __>  Vient de paraitre : Andre Jarret et ses Ancetres
>\_.-===  En vente par l'auteur                      Opinions ? Et pis non !

| Christian Foisy
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foisy@iro.umontreal.ca
Universite de Montreal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: lharris@upei.ca (Lora Harris)
Subject: Re: Text of a Song
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:26:40 GMT

In article <714040519.0@krypta.fidonet.org> Alexandros.Gougousoudis@f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Alexandros Gougousoudis) writes:

>Hi,

>I am searching for a text to the SOng: 'Farewell to Nova Scotia', it is
>an folk song, can anyone help me?
>Am I right, that Nova Scotia is a State of Canada?

>Greetings from Berlin


>  Alex

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My apologies Alex, I just uploaded the file and found it was with another 
song about NS (Halifax is the capital city, and Sherbrooke is a town there.)
SO here are the lyrics you did want and one that you didn't ask for.

Barrett's Privateers (Stan Rogers)

                        BARRETT'S PRIVATEERS

Oh, the year was 1778, HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NOW!
A letter of marque come from the king,
To the scummiest vessel I'd ever seen,
CHORUS:
God damn them all!
I was told we'd cruise the seas for American gold
We'd fire no guns-shed no tears
Now I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier
The last of Barrett's Privateers.

Oh, Elcid Barrett cried the town, HOW I WISH I WAS . . .
For twenty brave men all fishermen who
would make for him the Antelope's crew
(chorus)

The Antelope sloop was a sickening sight,
She'd a list to the port and and her sails in rags 
And the cook in scuppers with the staggers and the jags
(chorus)

On the King's birthday we put to sea, 
We were 91 days to Montego Bay
Pumping like madmen all the way
(chorus)

On the 96th day we sailed again,
When a bloody great Yankee hove in sight
With our cracked four pounders we made to fight
(chorus)

The Yankee lay low down with gold,
She was broad and fat and loose in the stays
But to catch her took the Antelope two whole days
(chorus)

Then at length we stood two cables away,
Our cracked four pounders made an awful din
But with one fat ball the Yank stove us in
(chorus)  

The Antelope shook and pitched on her side,
Barrett was smashed like a bowl of eggs
And the Maintruck carried off both me legs
(chorus)

So here I lay in my 23rd year,
It's been 6 years since we sailed away
And I just made Halifax yesterday
(chorus)


                    FAREWELL TO NOVA SCOTIA

The sun was setting in the west, 
the birds were singing on every tree;
All of nature seemed inclined to rest, 
but still there was no rest for me.

CHORUS: 
So farewell to Nova Scotia, your seabound coast, 
let your mountains dark and dreary be;
For when I am far away on the briny ocean tossed, 
will you ever heave a sigh or a wish for me?

I grieve to leave my native land, 
I grieve to leave my comrades all;
And my aged parents who I hold so dear, 
and the bonny, bonny lass that I do adore.
 
(chorus)
The drums do beat, the wars do alarm, 
the captain calls, we must obey;
So farewell, farewell, to Nova Scotia's charms, 
for it's early in the morning I am far, far away.

(chorus)
I have three brothers, and they are at rest, 
their arms are folded on their breast;
But a poor simple sailor just like me, 
must be tossed and driven on the deep blue sea.
(chorus)
From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: record stores in toro
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:30:39 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

JS>>Could anyone recommend some good record stores in Toronto, in addition
JS>>to Sam's/HMV/A&A on Yonge St.?
JS>>I'm interested in hard-to-find imports and out-of-print discs (CD mostly),
JS>>and posters.

JS>What you are looking for is on Queen St. West (between University Ave and
JS>Euclid Ave). Also don't forget to buy a t-shirt at the bovine sex club :-)

Also Record Peddlar on Yonge St. between Bloor and Wellesley.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Un bien petit monde
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:42:12 GMT

In article <BtD4v4.6rt@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>Do you know one difference between Canada and Quebec ?  In Quebec,
>everybody knows everybody or someone who knows him/her.
>
>Take me for example.
>
> [ examples deleted ]
>
>earth with 5-step (i.e. A knows B who knows C etc.).  Probably that
>Canada would be a 4-step world and Quebec a 2 or 3-step world.

Do you know the difference between Quebec and Kapuskasing (my home
town, in Northern Ontario)?  In Kapuskasing, everybody knows everybody
- a 1-step world.

I guess that means Kapuskasing is more "distinct" than Quebec, eh
Denis?  (Oh, BTW, Kapuskasing is officially bilingual - we even have
Arret/Stop signs at intersections!)

>And I am part of ordinary people.

You're too modest, Denis.

(Of course, there are lots of implied :-) in all the above.)

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Une demande d'un lecteur
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:06:29 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

Bonjour tout le monde!

J'ai recu la demande suivante d'un usager.  Vue la complexite de la
question et que mon temps est tres limite en ce moment precis, sans doute
l'un d'entre vous pourra-t-il lui resumer la situation.  Je pense que
Stephane avait deja envoye un article resumant la situation.

Soit dit entre nous, ceci est une demande dans la categorie FAQ (QRTT:
Question qui Revient Tout le Temps).

Veuillez repondre directement au demandeur.  Je ne suis qu'un intermediaire.


Reply-to: navid@ebs330.eb.uah.edu
Subject: A letter from an stranger!

     Chere Monsieur,

     Pouriez vous un peu m'expliquer la situation politique au quebec?
     Est ce vrais qu'il y aura un referendume dans le mois courant?
     Qu'est que vous attendez a ce referendume ?
 
     Je n'ai pas access a la soc.culture.can ou soc.culture.quebec !
     et je ne peux pas "poster" de message non plus!
     j'aim le francaise ,bien que je l'ecris  mal !

     Sentiments destinguees,                                 

                                              Navid Vahidi
                                               

From navid@ebs330.eb.uah.edu Tue Aug 11 18:21:24 1992

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  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
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\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ROD BANKS <ROD0@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Summer temp in Edmonton
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:20:44 GMT

Sometime ago I saw a climate "comfort index" for all Canadian cities.
Edmonton was one of the more benign climates in the country. I will try
to recall the scores which may be off abit but are at least relative. A
low score indicates a more pleasant climate:

Victoria 13 Calgary 37 Edmonton 43 Toronto 47 Winnipeg 55 Montreal 57
St. Johns 70+ A town in the arctic was rated at well over 100.
In article <1992Aug18.005035.23569@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> pierre@chaos.phys.ualberta.ca (Pierre Rouleau) writes:
>In article <dhalliwe.714082266@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>
>userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell) writes:
>>    The nice thing is, it also cools down at night:
>> we've had lows of 10-15 on some of these 27C days!
>> Just open the windows, and you can
>> sleep like a baby.
>
>How true that it has been nice. But, returning to the
>confusion about temperatures originating from the
>N. Y. Times, one must admit that Edmonton wheather
>is most erratic. This reminds me of a return trip from
>Montreal last September when one passenger, upon hearing
>the barely audible pilot stating that it was 30 deg C
>in Edmonton, asked:  was this plus or minus 30 ?????
>
>Record shows that he could have been right either way
>for that month !!  Still interested in Edmonton ?
>
>Pierre R.  :-)
>
>
>.
>.
From: userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Parking on a hill
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:08:28 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

little@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Littlejohn Tim) writes:


>HELP!  I am a newcomer to Quebec and about to do my practical driving 
>test on monday.  Someone posted that you could fail for
>turning the wheels the wrong way when parking on a hill.

>Well, how do you do it?  I want to know so 1) I won't fail and 2) my
>car wont slide onto a highway when it gets icy!  I have though
>about the physics of it, so I'm sure I know the answer to the
>latter but not the former. Please answer somthing like the following:

>"When parking on the right hand side of the road pointing uphill,
>turn the steering wheel counterclockwise" etc.

>Thanks!  I guess there are 4 combinations; uphill, downhill,
>right hand curb, left hand curb (e.g. on a one way street).

    Don't try to remember four combinations: just remember that the
idea is to make sure the car doesn't run away if the parking brake
fails: you want the front wheels turned so that the car will start to
roll the wheels up against the curb rather than away from it. This means
pointing the downhill end of the wheel into the curb (be that the front or
back of the wheel, with the curb either left or right). You should also
make sure that the tire is right in contact with the curb, too. If it is
too far away, the car could get rolling fast enough to ride up over the
curb.

>My test will be in Montreal, if that makes any difference...
 
    It shouldn't. Cars and hills work pretty much the same way everywhere!

>Any other tips on passing a driving test would be MOST welcome!
  
    Well, I had a driving instructor years ago that said *he* got his
licence in Montreal just by swearing on a Bible that he could drive!
I doubt that that is a useful tip today, though.


Dave Halliwell
Department of Geography
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5923 can.politics:6061
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: We are all foreigners, save the NATIVE Aboriginal Canadians!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:55:38 GMT
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

>Quebec speaks a different language than the other provincial
>governments.  Most Quebec residents already consider themselves a
>(ethnic) nation with a (political) nation.  Quebec is different
>because it considers independence an option!

>The other (political) extreme would be to have Quebec be a province no
>different than any other.

>One possible way to appease both factions is to further decentralize
>power.  Canada is already one of the most decentralized federations on
>the planet, and it is unclear what the affects further
>decentralization would have.  However, the majority of Canadians seem
>willing to allow a certain amount of increased decentralization, by
>granting Quebec certain powers that the other provinces could request
>if they wanted (thereby keeping a certain amoung of provincial
>equality).  Recent polls taken of Quebecers show them willing to make
>certain concessions to remain within Confederation.  A majority of
>Quebecers have a personal identity that includes being Canadian.

I am still waiting for someone to make a good argument against the
status quo, which (because it is almost entirely rep-by-pop)
makes Quebec one of four -- a nice balance between one-of-two and
one-of-ten.

Taking it for granted that the status quo is not an option, let us
try to look more closely at these ratios.

Alberta wants one-of-ten only so that Alberta and other "outer"
provinces will have more power to stop the next N.E.P.

Quebec wants one-of-two only to reinforce and guarantee the status
of French Canada and its principle representative, the Government
of Quebec.

Reconciling these two "wants" does not seem to be impossible, and
the tentative first-ministers agreement of August 19th is interesting.
I will follow up in the thread "The tentative agreement of August 19th."

>I have ignored the First Nations so far, frankly because I have a
>poorer idea of how Canada should be changed to more directly include
>them.
>[...]
>In my mind, a final constitutional solution to the issue of Native
>self-government is premature.
>Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu

Don't you think it should be up to the aboriginals to make some
concrete proposals?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: re: Income tax in Canada
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:28:18 GMT


>From: wing@canada.ceo.dg.com (Brian Wing)


hlin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (hua.t.lin) writes:
: 
: Hello, people:
: Someone just told me that for a Canadian making about $60,000 gross
: will pay about 54% on tax on the entire income. Is that true? In
: comparison, a person in U.S. with that income are taxed at a top
: rate of 28%, and take home about 2/3 of gross. What is the truth
: of take-home/gross pay up north? Thanks in advance,

>Well, that's not all INCOME tax.  There's marginal income tax rates,
>but I don't have them handy (by the time you get my tardy post, 

The marginal tax rates for middle-middle class are about 46%. By the
time you reach about $85,000 US, with surcharges, it reaches 50%. This
compares with combined maximum federal/state US taxes of about 35%,
depending on the state. 

Even this underestimates the dramatic difference in Canadian taxes.
There are many tax breaks that the Americans have, which Canadians do
not.  The big one, of course, is the deduction of mortgages & property
taxes. If I lived in the US, I would be getting $300 write off on my
mortgage. So there an extra $3,600 I pay in taxes which effectively
pushes up my tax rate.

I used to teach extra courses for spare change, but gave up when I
did the following calculation:

Gross Income	$3,700
minus			
Income tax	$1,600
Gas/Parking, etc$  200
CPP + UI	   150
Unions dues	   100
		-------
Net Income	$1,650 

Then, of course, when I spend the money there is 15% on most things,
more on some, less on others. 15% is a reasonable average.

Minus Sales Tax	$  248 (%.15 X $1,650)
		--------
Net		$1,402

So when all is said and done, I get to keep 38%. Even is is an
overestimate, of course, because I haven't figured in hidden business
taxes which go into everything I buy, let alone fixed taxes like my
property tax, car registration, etc.

Sort of kills your incentive to work and be more productive, doesn't
it? 

Marc Green
Trent University



Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:6024 can.general:4118 can.politics:6148 alt.activism:15293
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,can.politics,alt.activism
Subject: Canadian pro-union magazine "Our Times"
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: samba.1992Aug23.141957.15160
Organization: Echo Beach

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From: Alexandros.Gougousoudis@f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Alexandros Gougousoudis)
Sender: postmaster@p2.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Text of a Song
Date: 16 Aug 92  16:17:00 EST

Hi,

I am searching for a text to the SOng: 'Farewell to Nova Scotia', it is
an folk song, can anyone help me?
Am I right, that Nova Scotia is a State of Canada?

Greetings from Berlin


  Alex

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: cab6944@usl.edu (Brasseaux Carl A)
Subject: Is There a Maritimes  Newsgroup?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:59:57 GMT

I'm seeking a Maritimes news group and would appreciate some guidance.
Is there a Maritimes newsgroup in this system?  Thanks.
P.S. Please e-mail reply to cab6944@usl.edu.  Thanks again.
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Un bien petit monde
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:13:52 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

Do you know one difference between Canada and Quebec ?  In Quebec,
everybody knows everybody or someone who knows him/her.

Take me for example.

I developped a software few years ago when a graduate student.
My first user was the nephew of Jacques Parizeau.

As a student, I was using bus.  One day, some other students were
talking about their friend, son of Bourassa.

Previous Canada's Prime Minister was P.E. Trudeau and my grand mother
was a Trudeau.  Wilfrid Laurier was about the first or second cousin
of my great-grand father or something like that.

A great hockey player is Mario Lemieux.  His mother is the sister
of a aunt.

And I am part of ordinary people.

Who could say something like that in CSQ?

Actually, there is a theory that you could touch everybody on the
earth with 5-step (i.e. A knows B who knows C etc.).  Probably that
Canada would be a 4-step world and Quebec a 2 or 3-step world.


-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Vient de paraitre : Andre Jarret et ses Ancetres
\_.-===  En vente par l'auteur                      Opinions ? Et pis non !