From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:26:05 GMT
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In article <93027.183851TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>, <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.094311.999@nntp.hut.fi>, m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis)
>says:
>>
>>Yeah! I totally agree with you! (With the exception of Skid Row being
>>commercialized generic crap. Perhaps they're not very original, but they
>>surely got some musical talent and passion. There are still countless
>>others in the same category with Bon Jovi.) And I have few additions
>>on the "respected" list: old Jethro Tull and Uriah Heep, The Who,
>>Jimi Hendrix, Neil Young, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Blackfoot, old Fleetwood Mac
>>and Aerosimth.
>
>What do any of these bands have to do with Metal!  They are either sell-out
>pop shit or they are hard rock.  Hard rock is not something this newsgroup
>is designed to discuss.  So get you ball-reeming-catholic-mother-fucking-
>poser-ass out of this newsgroup!
>
>>These are all bands who have been at their best in between a time period
>>from late sixties to early eighties, when hard rock and metal were born.
>>There are also many bands I respect who have dominated earlier than that,
>>but who are not really even hard rock, so I left them out.
>
>Just because a band was around during the time metal was born does not
>make that band a metal band!
>
>>I've also noticed that there are people who consider themselves as true
>>headbangers, who only listen to headbanging music. Even if it's absolute
>>crap, but it's heavy and loud, they seem to be liking it. And they ignore
>>all non-metal music (even those "respected" bands) only because it
>>simply is not metal.
>
>It doesn't matter what else you like...this newsgroup is for the discussion
>of metal and only metal...period!!!  And if someone like a band only cause
>they were "respected" then they are nothing but lowlife-hairspraying-
>mind-controlled-ass-whipped-posers!!!
>
>>Of course this is only a matter of opinion, you should listen to
>>anything you like. But I don't see very much difference between these
>>headbangers and those disco-poppers who listen to top-20 crap, only because
>>everybody else seems to be listening to it.
>
>All this from a reject of the disco age!!!  The large majority of these
>psuedo-headbangers has spawned from eMpTyV.  Most of these people don't
>even know what real metal is.  Ask any of the recent eMpTyV drones if
>they heard of any band, not played once an hour on that TV channel!!!
>
>>The above is of course all IMHO, so try avoid flaming, but feel free to
>>comment.
>>
>>.
>>
>>Matti K. Varis, m38853v@saha.hut.fi, Helsinki University Of Technology,
>>Finland
>>
>>Frozen world outside, Made by Foolish pride
>>(Armored Saint/Aftermath)
>
>--sitting here bathed in the moonshade underneath the willow tree
>Suaron
I know I really shouldn't grace you with a comment, but once again, pal,
you are way out of line.  I don't think anybody plans on discussing these
old bands on a regular basis, but it was simply a point made against those
who knock headbangers for having no imagination or appreciation for diversity.
Also, people who like things like Thin Lizzy, Steppenwolf, etc. can hardly
be accused of being brainwashed by MTV; only a serious fan of hard rock/metal
would know much about these bands.  Also, if you paid any attention to the
groups
we praised (Cathedral, Trouble, etc.) I think you'd see if you have any
objectivity at all that I and the people who responded to my comments
about "respected" bands are not jump-on-the-bandwagon types.  Additionally,
we never said we liked these classic bands because they were "respected";
we said they were respected BY Us, even though they might not be well known
by many others--the point is, these bands are worthy of respected whether
they receive their just due of respect or not.  Unfortunately, every time
you post you sound more and more like one of those DMers who is incapable
of learning to appreciate emotion in music wherever it can be found, and
it is that essential ingredient that separates good metal from the
commercialized stuff both you and people like me criticize.  In short,
you're stabbing some potential allies in the back; fortunately, most people
I've known who are hard-core DMers can learn to appreciate older stuff
that speaks to people (even if it is only hard rock); they may never
learn to like it, but they will (in my experience, at least) back off from
comments they used to make that "it sucks" simply because it isn't gut-
wrenching, adrenaline-flowing metal.  Also, I think the fellow whose letter
you're knocking is right in saying that those who become fans of
DM simply because it's all the rage at the time are just as conformist,
and therefore poser-like, as those who listen to the glam bands. ..
They don't really absorb the spirit of the music, but just sort of revel
in the image of belonging to that scene. . .  So you tell me, who are
the ones that are brainwashed as to what music they like?  In fact,
you strike me as being a conformist in that you unimaginatively apply
the term "poser," "lame-ass," etc. to everything that isn't super-heavy.
There is definitely poser music out there, but once again it's poserishness 
is not connected with the mellowness of that music, but with the tendency to
play what everybody else is playing or listening to what everybody else
is listewning to simply because it allows you to identify with a certain
image.      Eric M.
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