HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: C3PO was: Re: Wedge Theory
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:28:01 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article d91s02bN1bCB01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com, beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.082023.16562@zoo.bt.co.uk> ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk writes:
>>
>>3P0 translates "He says the restraining bolt has short circuited his
>>recording system. He suggests that if you remove the bolt, he might be
>>able to play back the entire recording"
>>
>>
>
>I always thought this was just a case of Threepio's naivete. ANH always
>made Threepio out as neurotic, and Artoo more sensible, IMHO.

I agree that 3P0 was being naive (as was Luke), but I included this quote
to prove that droids (R2-D2 in this case) can decieve if they want to.

Whilst C-3P0 is very literally minded, I still think he lied to Luke
about his story telling abilities and his involvement with the rebels
because he did not want to pass on any secrets about the rebellion.

---
Ian Coleman (ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk)  | "Eat healthily, exercise regularly,
BTL, Martlesham Heath, England  |  you may not live longer, but it'll 
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:02:29 GMT

mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
: Here's another question: When the rebels are evacuating from Hoth, why can Luke
: manage to fly away to Degobah unmolested?  The rest of the rebels had to
: deal with the Imperial Star Destroyers.  Maybe it's just because he's in
: a single X-wing and could slip away unnoticed...but then why did the Falcon
: receive so much attention?  Just wondering out loud.

Well, the Falcon leaves first. It has at least 3 star destroyers
after it, and there were only 5 or so with the fleet going to Hoth.
Most of them persued the Falcon on into the asteriod belt.

So, that left a *big* hole in planetary defenses -- you could probably
have driven an ore miner through it, certainly an X wing.

Plus, Vader & Co. thought Luke was on the Falcon...

Scott

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From: julie@skatter.usask.ca
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:01:21 GMT

From article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, by PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU:
> If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
> when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
> oxygen to support combustion.
> Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.
> 
> Peter

	Well, when my husband brings this up, I say (in my "don't spoil the 
movie for me" voice (tm)), "Maybe they have oxygen in outer space in the Star
Wars universe."  It's not scientifically sound, but it would explain a lot of
things...


It's not that I like the Empire.  
I hate it, but there's nothing 				Jules
I can do about it right now! 
	- Luke Skywalker.
From: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: stupid
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:24:52 GMT
Reply-To: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

Regarding the trash compacter, hey, they are big on recycleing!!

re monster in trash compacter:  Have you ever seen pond scum in a pool?
  this monster is 'Trash Compacter' scum.  They need a good dose of Clorox
  to make this guy float to the top.
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From: jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman)
Subject: Re: Stupid things
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:11:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.195806.24807@wpi.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:
>
>	Second, as shown by Obi Wan in ANH and Yoda in ROTJ when good Jedi
>die, their remains disappear and they are then able to appear to Luke
>in their "high pro glow" form.  Yet, in Jedi when  Anakin Skywalker/Darth
>Vader dies, his body doesn't disappear, however, he appears in the glow form 
>w/Yoda and Ben at the end--any explanations.

Easy...remember, Obi Wan said that most of Vader was machinery.  It would
seem that he lost even more parts than Luke in the course of his career!
If Luke evaporates, don't you think he would leave his mechanical hand 
behind?
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: When does book 3 of Zahn's "Heir..." trilogy come out?
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:32:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul26.213213.11
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Jul25.194217.25870@ncsu.edu>
happy@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Rusty Soots) writes:

>
>   I've read both "Heir to the Empire" and "Dark Force Rising" by Zahn
>and thought they were excellent.  Does anyone know when the third and
>final book will hit the book stores?  Thanks for the info!!
>
>
>*******************************************************************************
>RUSSELL J. SOOTS - NCSU - Science Education/Microbiology/Genetics....Grad. 5/93
>happy@catt.ncsu.edu______________________________North Carolina Teaching Fellow
>*******************************************************************************


Last thing I heard was that Mr. Zahn was busy on the third novel now, and
that wa in May, so I would except not before June 1993....*SIGH*

Dave
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:37:09 GMT



To summarize the discussion so far:

Did the Falcon limp to Bespin on a "spare tire hyperdrive"?

Yes, because the RPG says the ship should have one, no because
if Han had one, being chased by the Empire was the time to use it.



My thoughts:

I think that it probably had one.  Why?  For the same reason that
a plane flying over the Atlantic ocean carries more fuel that it
could possibly need:  it has the capability to really get itself
into trouble.
\

Remember how far apart your average star systems are.  Without
hyperdrive, you can't GET far enough to really get into much
trouble.  With it, however, you can find yourself literally in
the middle of nowhere.  Lets say you use it to get yourself to
a place where the nearest inhabited system is 5 light years 
away.  Then it breaks.  (Nice techie term, huh?)

With only sub-light engines, you're in trouble.  Even if you
could travel at .75c on them (unlikely, but this is SF after all)
it would take you 3.75 years to get there.  Do you carry that
much food in your car?  Not to mention oxygen.

So you would need SOME sort of backup.

Unless, of course, it was of the same status of the early explorers:
if you screw up, put your head between your legs and kiss your ...
well, you know the rest.

Now.  Why didn't Han use it?  I can think of any number of reasons:

1)  To use the spare tire analogy, if you were, say, a bank robber
running from the police and you got a flat, would you pull over,
get out, and change it?

2)  Installation time could have been prohibitive at that moment,
but after the Imperials left, they had time to deal with it.


3)  (My favorite.)  He had one, but it didn't generally work any
better than the main unit.  Why should it?  They way he worked
that baby it's a wonder ANY of the thing still worked.


4)  He ran out of money one day and sold it for fuel.

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
      Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction and Fantasy SIG  (GO SCIFI)
----------------   "If you want something done right,  ----------------- 
       kill Baldric before you start."  --  Edmund Blackadder III
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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Stupid/Cool
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date: 24 JUL 92 20:31:57    

In article <1992Jul24.195711.21344@leland.Stanford.EDU>, mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes...
>One of the things that I really love about the trilogy are the little things--
>for example, the scene in ANH where Han, Luke and Chewie are in the elevator
>going down to the detention level.  They're all standing there, waiting for
>the door to open, and the one behind them opens.  I thought it was hilarious.

One of my favorites is right at the beginning of ANH, where the two droids 
are on the blockade runner and cross a corridor, as if nothing was out of 
the ordinary, as laser blasts fly by around them in all directions.  A 
friend of mine used to say "All clear" in his 3PO voice just before they 
started across.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
From: sl6wv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:27:39 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul20.161336.4255@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>>
>>>It has already been shown in ST:TNG that
>>>the Enterprise cannot handle large amounts of ion radiation
>>
>>Ion radiation? There's no such thing.
> 
> Really? Ever heard of alpha radiation? I guess you could call alpha particles
> helium cations.
> 
> Mike
	Do a little science first before you leap.  Alpha particles, although
genuinely considered atomic radiation made of ionized particles, have so little
energy that an ordinary piece of notebook paper can stop most of them...hardly
a problem for the Enterprise.

			Woodchip
From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: snub fighter thought..
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:25:41 GMT


I was just thinking, when all the wings report in and the dramatic cry is
made:
	"lock s-foils in attack positions!"
what do the A- wing pilots do?

gee, they must feel pretty left out.


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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re:  Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 12:18:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <qykLoB3w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>sas@TIS.COM ("Steven A. Sturges") writes:
>
>Were toy version of the A and B wing fighters ever released?  I know I 
>had the models, but I don't recall any neato toys with flashing lights 
>and odd sound effects. :-)

Yep they were. The B-wing had a cockpit that always stayed upright no matter
which direction the ship was in. It also had a landing leg that was never
on the model.
	The A-wing was released in the DROIDS toy series. It had a lever
that opened the cockpit, landing gear, looked really good. IMHO the best
ship toy.
	Both had sounds (a gear grinding away at a plastic strip *ANNOYING*)
but no lights.

-joshuali@usc.edu
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Droid Numbers
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:58:59 GMT

R2-D2
R5-D4
C-3PO
IG-88
FX-7
21B (where does the '-' go? :))

What do these designations mean? Are they model numbers like a
386-SX, or actual serial numbers to identify *specific* droids?

Are all 'barrel' driods like R2 and R5 astromech types, or do
they get more specific? (Like: R2 is only for X wings, etc.)

How cheap & common are droids, anyway? If Owen on Tatooine can
get 2 from the Jawas, they must not be incredibly expensive,
but as isolated as Tatooine is, I imagine they're a lot more 
expensive there than on a well developed planet. Owen may have 
a really big concern with his moisture farms, though, and have the
capital to plunk over for 2 top-of-the-line droids. It didn't 
*look* like that, with only Beru, Owen & Luke.

Well, while I'm speculating randomly:

* what did the 'Death Star Droid' do? Was he an interpreter?
* is the 'power droid' a battery re-charger on 2 legs?

Scott
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Themes and things (was: Just how much of SW did Lucas make up as he)
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:20:24 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Jul30.185055.17129@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> gene@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gene E. Johannsen) writes:
>  Why is Luke's father dead?  If Luke already were a hero, the movie would
>lack much.  The under-dog appeal.  The self discovery angle.  Things like
>that.  If Luke's father were alive, the first sign of talent and he would
>be in training, and would already be a great pilot.

	Luke already WAS a great pilot, they just didn't show any of it.  They
did make references to it when Luke said they used to bullseye (Hmm, I haven't
seen the original in over 2 months, so I'm not sure if this is what they
bullseyed, but) Wamprats....He had no time to train to be a pilot before
the Death Star incident, yet he outlived the veteren Rebellion pilots.

>  1) Luke's father is dead.  As in door nail.
>  2) Darth killed Luke's father.

	Besides the fact that Lucas has said that he had this part planned
from the start, there is one other reason I believe it's true....As someone
posted on this group a while ago, Darth Vader was meant to sound like
'Dark Father', taken alone this isn't absolute proof but imagine if you 
substitued the German word for Father

Darth Vader <- What we were given in the film
Dark  Vater <- An incredibly close couple of words...Coincidence? I personally
	       doubt it, but I'm not trying to pass it off as absolute truth
	       either.
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From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Subject: Re:  Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:35:57 GMT

In article <l78bqdINNotg@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>What is everyone's most and least favorite cantina and/or Jabba's palace
>creature?
>
>I hated that Devil guy  from the cantina.
>
Perhaps that was a Lucas reference to Childhood's End.

This isn't my personal fav, but I know a lot of people who like Hammerhead the
best.  Usually because that's one of the only figures they remember owning.

				Richard M. Bennema

--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
Richard M. Bennema		"The brain can be seen as a complex machine,
Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
Wheaton College 			-Robert C. Solomon
From: kruegek@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Kirby Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:50:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Jul23.001815.17851@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.211804.18304@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>No, he's not, because he PAID the author for the right to publish it.
>>
>>So, if I steal someone's jewelry and leave $100.00 I am not stealing?
>
>Invalid analogy.  The analogy is this: if I borrow someone's jewelry, put it
>in a matter replicator, create a copy, and give them back the original, and
>keep the copy, did I steal anything?

If you borrow someone's disks, copy all the software, and put the originals
back, is it stealing?  You better believe it is.  You are not stealing
from the owner, you are stealing from the manufacturer and creators of
whatever you copied.  What if you got into the pentagon computers, and
downloaded the plans for a new military jet?  They didn't lose anything,
so it's not stealing, right?  And it's okay if I post the plans to the
net then, right?  Now, I'm not advocating censorship, but, contrary
to what some people might think, it should be the author or creator that
decides if and when his ideas are made public.  The point has been made
that without exchanging ideas, society would stagnate.  This is true.
However, this doesn't really apply as well to works of fiction as to
scientific discoveries, such as fire or nuclear fusion.  I would be 
most displeased if I were trying to sell a work of mine to a publisher,
and a friend who I asked for an opinion posted it to the net, and it
was suddenly on every bbs in the country.  Perhaps I exagerrate a bit,
but the point is, if it isn't yours, and you don't have permission from
the author, DON'T POST IT.  Excerpts are alright, summaries are fine, but
please, have courtesy to authors.  
-- 
kruegek@atlantis.cs.orst.edu   | "I am not in space, friends."
			       |       -Dylan Bragg
                               | "He's not just an idle rambler."
			       |   -Alan Taylor, on Dylan Bragg
From: tkogoma@triton.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: snub fighter thought..
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:03:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <1521@grivel.une.edu.au> scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh) writes:
>I was just thinking, when all the wings report in and the dramatic cry is
>made:
>	"lock s-foils in attack positions!"
>what do the A- wing pilots do?
>
>gee, they must feel pretty left out.

They probably join the Y-wing pilots in thanking the Force that they
don't have silly S-foil actuators which might malfunction. ;-)

>Steven Cavanagh                 |        So many women-
>scavanag@neumann.une.oz.au      |

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  tkogoma@triton.unm.edu
  I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                           what I have now...
From: gt7219a@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Michael Lawyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:11:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul23.035036.12825@leela.cs.orst.edu> kruegek@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Kirby Krueger) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.001815.17851@uwm.edu> markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) writes:
>>
>>Invalid analogy.  The analogy is this: if I borrow someone's jewelry, put it
>>in a matter replicator, create a copy, and give them back the original, and
>>keep the copy, did I steal anything?

[lots of good examples of how stealing ideas is illegal]
>
>but the point is, if it isn't yours, and you don't have permission from
>the author, DON'T POST IT.  Excerpts are alright, summaries are fine, but
>please, have courtesy to authors.  
>-- 
>kruegek@atlantis.cs.orst.edu   | "I am not in space, friends."

Amen.  Notice the (wise) lack of morality in the argument.  This
is because (IMHO) there are no right answers in a moral argument.
You simply cannot prove that anything is morally wrong.  Using 
"moral relativism" you can show that Hitler was as good and wholesome
as a boyscout.  BUT, if moral relativism were used universally
everything would tend towards anarchy.  Anarchy is fine when the
population is low, but there are 5,000,000,000 people on the planet.
So something has to give.  Rules must be made so that everyone
dosen't kill everyone else.  AND in the United States of America
one of these rules is that ideas *can* be copyrighted, trademarked,
patented....etc.  This is to encourage people to be creative and
go out and do things which have never been done before.  For
example:  Do you think that George Lucas would have ever made the
movie STAR WARS if he thought that it would not make money because
of pirating?  No way.  And then we wouldn't have the movie series 
that we all know and love.  

To sum up.  Posting copyrighted material in its entirity is clearly
illegal according to US law.  Perhaps this does not conform to
what you believe in, but it is the law.  If you don't like that
write to your congressman.  Register to vote.  Participate in changing
the system from within.  It is much less violent this way.  And 
legality aside, if everyone  did it there would be no profit for
anyone to *create* anything.  So don't post it if it isn't yours.

the manatee
From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 'Prune Face', real edits, and other bogosity
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <l7ed3aINNt31@aludra.usc.edu>, joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes...
>In article <1992Jul29.234444.4494@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>1) Where is 'Prune Face' in RotJ? I *swear* I've never ever seen him.
>>   Is he with Jabba, or with the Rebels? I have the backing card
>>   for that figure, but can't place the background.
> 
>I think he's with the rebels. Check out the hooded guys sitting around the 
>Death Star hologram.

Some source from Kenner (the coin, perhaps?) states that Prune Face was 
with the Rebellion.  I'd never seen him in the movie either; I'll have to 
watch that scene more closely.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.203644.14755@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>
>As it is, I think that the Federation, who HAS no small craft could
>not penetrate OPERATIVE shielding and other defenses.
>
The Federation has no MANNED small craft.  Photon torpedoes are miniature
starships with FTL capability, and they are very maneuverable.  The only
time have not succesfully scored hit after hit after hit, was in severe
sensor conditions that prevented theri guidance packages from functioning
(ST II, the battle of the Mutaran Nebula).


>[regretting that I made this thread one message longer...]
>
There have yet to be any flames, so people must still be having fun.  I keep
posting on this thread for the intellectual challenge of coming up with
plausible pseudo-science that works in both galaxies.
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Date: 30 Jul 1992 13:59:59 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <jk2xd3h@rpi.edu> caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura) writes:

>Figure that Luke would have to
>be a bleedin' ninny (not gettin' into this one) *not* to know who 'that guy
>in black' was.....

You never know, maybe he didn't. Luke's reaction to Ben,"....A young Jedi
named Dath Vader, was a pupil of mine til he turned to evil..." doesn't
say to me that he was familiar with the name.
You have to remember that Vader wasn't of very high command in ANH.
Of course, all the above is my HO.

-joshuali@usc.edu