HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 24bit color and OS/2...
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:21:04 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep15.070008.18490@kth.se> d90-mla@nada.kth.se (Mats Lanner) writes:
>A solution would be to have a driver that would allow you to select
>screen depth (like the Monitor control panel on a Macintosh) on the
>fly, not requiering a reboot. I have been told that it is possible to
>write such drivers for *that other popular windowing os:ish*, but I
>haven't seen any. 

It's also possible for OS/2.  It'd be a function of the driver.  I
believe IBM's 8514/a driver has a setting for low or hi res mode.  I
haven't seen this, myself, but I recall seeing it in one of the white
paper pamphlets that came with OS/2.
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
From: frigo@psl.wisc.edu (Sean P. Frigo UW-Madison SRC (608)877-2332,-2001(FAX))
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Vantage related problems.
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: frigo@psl.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Physical Science Lab

In article <4403@drsrv1.hmi.de>, pfr@drsrv1.hmi.de (Fritsch_Wolfgang) writes:
>jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>
>>I have two questions about the ATI card I just purchased and would appreciate
>>any comments.
>
>>1.  When I used the accompanying diagnostic program ("test") in a DOS full
>>    screen session, it reported 3 error messages: subsystem (14203), ram
>>    (14206) and post ram examination (14216) failures.  Is this normal when
>>    the test is under OS/2?  The self-testing during system boot-up is O.K.,
>>    however.  Oh, I did run SVGA ON first before the testing.
>...................
>
>I have the same problem with my ATI Graphics Ultra, i.e. the same error
>messages. But only the first time I execute test.com! When I run this test
>again it would proceed without problems. No idea whether this is normal.
>
>I set SVGA OFF now and rebooted but the same phenomenon is there. 
>
>Wolfgang Fritsch
>pfr@psun2.hmi.de
I suggest that you boot DOS 5.0 from a floppy and try the ATI test program
again.  Since the test program works the ATI hardware at low level, it may
encounter problems (perhaps) from a DOS session under OS/2.


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From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: Problems receiving a FAX within os/2 and QL2fax
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:58:50 CDT

Everyone / Anyone:

I agree with previous posting about PM/Fax (Faxit for OS/2) published by 
Softnet and developed by the Keller Group.  IT IS AN OUTSTANDING PRODUCT.
There are areas needing improvement and enhancement but what is perfect in
this world?

Bert Moshier

Read OS/2 Monthly Magazine!  I do.
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From: dony@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Bob Dony)
Subject: Re: Unix Windows (uw)
Keywords: Unix Windows (uw)
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:53:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.212823.25994@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>It is a comm program that lets you connect to BSD UNIX or a VAX and
>run a server.  Pressing a keystroke cause MORE shells to appear.
>7 total.  Nice for ftp'ing or archie searches AND still read news.

Is there a version of the uw server for System V UNIX?

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: os/2 win3.1 support
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:09:25 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep3.152215.4149@nmt.edu> jreynold@nmt.edu (John Reynolds) writes:
>
>Well, whatever the date of the csd, does anyone know if the 3.1 support
>is going to include the TrueType fonts (no flames over Adobe fonts). I've
>got several AmiPro and Word documents (made before OS/2 was installed)
>that look aweful under win-os2 because I used the true type fonts.

I guess they would.  But does it matter?  The only TT fonts that come
shipped with Windows are Courier (Courier New), Roman (Times New
Roman), Helv (Ariel), Symbol, and WingDings.  All but the last one are
pre-installed with ATM for OS/2, so you shouldn't have much of a
problem.
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 ((|,)                          disagreeable person keep his distance."
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Subject: Re: HELP: Where OS/2 2.0 CSD?
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:48:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.170914.16107@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <1992Sep4.082048.5531@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>
>> ....
>>NEWSFLASH! Writing software costs money. Lots of money. Giving it away is a
>>sure way to go broke - and leave user with nothing: for free.
>
>NEWSFLASH!  A lot of the peple making the transition from Windows to
>OS/2 are doing so BECAUSE THEY GOT TIRED OF PAYING FOR BUG FIX
>RELEASES.  If IBM now starts playing that same game, what do you think
>is going to happen?  If IBM now says to people that they're going to
>have to pay for stuff that they REALLY expected to be updates and
>included in OS/2 2.0 when they bought it (whether IBM ever actually
>promised that or not), how do you think that is going to leave people
>who are just regaining faith in the 'New IBM' feeling?  
>
Aha! But this is how I think IBM is handling things right. We can download
patches right from ftp as they are released and don't need to buy a new
version to get the fix'ns. And for those without internet access, IBM
have setted up local BBSs all over so that you can dial a local number
and download the patches from these BBSs. And some of these BBSs has
spawned off to local user groups.... etc.  This has worked wonderfully
and I'm really impressed with IBM's effort in OS/2 to make sure all us
owners are happy campers. I just keep checking the BBSs and ftp sites
for new fixes by IBM or third party people and keep my OS/2 uptodate.
In fact, I think OS/2 is the most uptodate software I have since it gets
constantly updated with new stuff and don't cost me a cent either.

Thomas.

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2
From: kellys@holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff)
Subject: Installing OS/2
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:07:22 GMT

I recently purchased a copy of OS/2, and to be honest, it's been a PAIN to 
install.

After getting numerous errors, I finally was told that my old AMI BIOS needed
to be upgraded.  So, I got a new BIOS, MR BIOS Version V1.36.

I started up the installation process again and it froze on disk 1. The error
was that there is an internal processing error at location ##0160:fff6453f -
000d:953f

Help!  IBM's support is terrible (they told me that I should turnoff my shadow
RAM, but I don't have any!).  FYI, I have a standard 386/33.

BTW, for the memory addressing, I've always been used to four digit aaaa:bbbb
segment:offset addressing.  I was kind of surprised with the error.  Using
a 32-bit register for the offset?
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: HP DeskJet driver - Landscape graphics?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.212958.22316@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucca021@ucl.ac.uk (L C Willoughby) writes:
>I've just installed OS/2 2.0 and want to use it with a HP DeskJet 500 printer.
>(I've read the previous postings about HP / IBM disputes over dirver etc)
>The only driver for the DeskJet which comes with OS/2 is the EPSON which is
>installed as "HP DeskJet in Epson EPL 6000 mode", this seems to work OK and
>prints text and graphics in portrait and text in landscape, BUT I can't get
>it to print graphics in landscape. The DeskJet manual talks about being unable
>to print graphics in landscape - is this really true? Could this be overcome
>with a proper driver? What is the Epson EPL 6000? ( a PCL III printer?)

I would probably trust the HP DeskJet's manual.  :-)

The Epson EPL-6000 is a laser printer which is very close (in code
compatibility) to the DeskJet.

Incidently, DeskJet owners are finding that the new Epson driver (in
the file epson.zoo, available via anonymous ftp from either
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu or software.watson.ibm.com) works even better than
the stock driver in OS/2 2.0, so you might want to give that a try if
you are experiencing any problems.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills)
Subject: Re: CURE! for no desktop on bootup syndrome
    <1992Sep4.172851.28982@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:33:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

schmiher@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hermann Schmidt) writes:


>In article <186rqvINNtb@agate.berkeley.edu>, stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton) writes:

>[ stuff about startup problems deleted ]

>I've been fiddling around with this problem for a while. All three
>machines I work with were 'infected' one day or another.
>The problem appears to be related to the automatic startup of any
>kind of application thru any method (startupfolder, automatic restart).

>I can only offer a simple, maybe unacceptable for some people, advice:
>set RESTARTOBJECTS to STARTUPFOLDERSONLY in config.sys and keep your
>startupfolder empty.
>I've never had any problems anymore since having configured all three machines
>in that way.

>It would be interesting to hear from s.b. who had startup problems (or
>still has) despite using this configuration...


You know, I've been fiddling with this as well.  I start two programs from
my startup folder.  Since doing this I've had problems rebooting on occasion;
PM freezes either with a blank screen or maybe gets a few icons/windows open
first.

Well, by chance and frustration, I noticed that if I hit a mouse button a
few times (preferrably the left one, in a corner where you know nothing will
appear), PM seems to work every time.  I wait until the background screen
pops up, and the black outlines expand out to the corners, and then pull my
pointer down to a corner and hit the left button a few times.  Works every
time now.  Could be coincidence though, I'm not really sure.

Hope this gets fixed in a future release.

-- 
--Mike Mills              E-Mail:  sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam
--UK Math Sciences Dept.                  mike@ukpr.uky.edu    
--(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris)
Subject: Re: OS2 and Soundblaster
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:59:18 GMT

pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior) writes:

>Why does one need to set the IRQ to 5?  I think mine is set on 7
>which is the default (I think).  However, when playing Wing Commander
>II I have noticed that I only get the first 1/2 second or so of 
>digitized voices coming over the "radio" (i.e. "affir"  instead of
>"affirmative captain") - would changing the IRQ affect this?  If not
>is there any way to get it to work?
There is nothing special about IRQ 5... it just CAN'T be IRQ 7 if you expect to
print.  OS/2 expects LPT1 to be at IRQ7.
______________________________________________________________________________
     Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu or harris@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com
 System Administrator, Computer & Technologies Theme Program, NC State Univ.
(My opinions are my own and do not represent those of NCSU or IBM Corporation)
From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ICON for CD-ROM drive
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:09:00 GMT
Organization: Private OS/2 System

Just one question:

 Booting OS/2 with a CD-ROM inserted in a CD-ROM drive results in a
CD-ROM ICON. Booting OS/2 without a CD-ROM inserted results in a floppy
icon. Can this be changed? I use an Adaptec 1542B and a Toshiba drive.

 MF
From: z_kupkams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ATI says "NO OS/2 2.0 16bit drivers EVER!"
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:40:58 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

> 
> Then when will we get _fast_ ATI Ultra 1024X768X256 drivers? Are they
> in the works? The 8514/a is a fine driver, but I never ignore improvement :-)
> 
	I Talked to ATI on Friday, and they said that they WILL NOT be
releasing any drivers for OS/2 2.0 until IBM does the 32bit GRE! That's Right
you can probably forget having ATI support for the next 6 months.

The Tech support person say if ATI was started working on Drivers, but He did
say that they were also waiting on a Device Driver Kit from IBM. 
This sounds like a lame excuse to me. To write a Driver, all you need is
an assembler, C compiler, linker, and the 1.x libraries. There is enough info
already out there.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Boot Failures--Was<IS IBM UK STILL IN THE STONE AGE???>
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 16:11:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep08.214711.25892@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfdwe@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (David Ebdon) writes:
>Tom Wilson's remark in a previous post reminds me how I solved a boot
>failure problem when I first put OS/2 on my 486-33 clone.  Actually my 20
>year old son solved it.  We were using the dual boot procedure, and the
>system "forgot" how to come up in OS/2.  First we "sys-ed" it back to life
>and then changed MS-DOS 5.0 for the IBM version (keeping qbasic.exe from
>MS-DOS so that it and edit.com would remain functional).  We then
>reinstalled OS/2, again in the dual boot mode.  So far there have been
>no more boot failures.  Is there some problem with generic MS-DOS and
>OS/2?  Or would I have had the same good luck by simply reinstalling OS/2?
>I tend to think not since some problems with the DOS windows, experienced
>before the change in DOS, disappeared.  One of my colleagues today reported
>that some network software which had frequently failed became very reliable
>when MS-DOS was replaced by IBM-DOS 5.0--even on non-IBM (Zenith)
>hardware.  Our network software is from IBM.  Hmmm.

I don't believe that.   I installed OS/2 on a machine with MS-DOS 5.0.

I don't think there are any significant differences besides the 
name strings and Basic.

Luc B

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From: gt1959a@prism.gatech.EDU (Marcus Chandler Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: need help
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:30:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

For some reason I cannot get Word Perfect for Windows 5.1 of MathCad for
Windows to work in OS/2.  MathCad tells me that there is not enough memory
available to run....but I have all windows closed and I have 16MB Ram!
Word Perfect  says that there is a conflict error in Win-Os2 caused by
one of WP's exe files.  Does anyone have any clues?   

Also, where can I find an SVGA driver for a Tseng ET400 card??

E-mail if possible......thank you.

Marcus C. Davis                      gt1959a@prism.gatech.edu

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From: ctwilson@rock.concert.net (Charles T Wilson -- Personal Account)
Subject: Re: Boot Failures--Was<IS IBM UK STILL IN THE STONE AGE???>
Summary: better than formatting? sometimes
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:52:57 GMT

That's all well and good, (I'll remember that when I have trouble with 
one of the dual boot machines...the one I've had the most trouble with
is set up boot manager style), but you still have to reinstall OS/2,
which I consider all but unacceptable.  Why should a system forget
what it is and how boot itself for no apparent reason?

For the record, IBM tech support has offered direct assistance from 
one of its groups, something I plan to take them up on.

Tom Wilson
ctwilson@rock.concert.net
sasctw@duckhead.unx.sas.com     certainly *NOT* a SAS Institute spokesman
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From: slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos)
Subject: Re: IS IBM UK STILL IN THE STONE AGE???
Organization: UNLV Computer Science
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 23:40:42 GMT

In article <liuyu.715220479@kramden> liuyu@kramden.nyu.edu (Liuyu) writes:
>>I agree.  Herc should support OS/2.  They don't.
>
>You got it backward! OS/2 should support all standards.

Oh HELL! The 8086 is a STANDARD too! Bitch to IBM about it. If they
think they are going to lose money by not supporting Herc, then they
will add it. Do you want something done, or do you just want to pout?

What's all this talk about OS/2 2.0 running on CGA anyway? I was told
that it would run 640x480x16 and above. Are there people out there
running on CGA monitors?

TTYL - Steve


-- 
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From: azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: IRQ's in OS/2
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:52:45 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <1992Sep13.215737.144359@ua1ix.ua.edu> totake@ho19.eng.ua.edu (Thomas K. Otake) writes:
>I am trying to set the IRQ's for COM ports in OS/2 applications or the system
>in general but haven't found out how, yet.  Does anybody know how this is
>done?

In general, IRQ's are fixed in OS/2.  The exception is COM.SYS.  In your
CONFIG.SYS, you can specify parameters to COM.SYS as follows:

DEVICE=\OS2\COM.SYS (p,bbbb,i) (p,bbbb,i)
 
   where p = port number (1 for COM1, 2 for COM2, etc)
         bbbb = base port address (in hex). 03F8 for COM1, 02F8 for COM2, etc.
         i = irq for this port (4 for COM1, 3 for COM2, etc).
 
The only time you have to specify these are if they deviate from standard.
The replacement COM.SYS (available from friendly FTP sites everywhere) has
additional parameters you can set to control buffering and timeouts.  They're
described in the COM package.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Extended Services
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.215031.11561@colorado.edu> turnerk@bechtel.Colorado.EDU (K Wade Turner) writes:
>    What is so special about the extended services.  What else do you get above
>the statndard services.  How much is it and where do you get it from.  Qustions
>from a new OS/2 user.		Thanks,

Please see the OS/2 FAQ List for some details on it.  If you need more
information, call 800-3-IBM-OS2 in the U.S., and I'm sure they'll
explain everything (along with letting you order it, if you wish).

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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/faq.
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | Or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP").
of Chicago, 60637       | Family Values Means a Job
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: djl1@ra.msstate.edu (Daniel J Leduc)
Subject: Microsoft Source Profiler
Keywords: OS/2 , source profiler
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:42:48 GMT

The other day I tried to use my Microsoft Source Profiler for the first
time since installation of OS/2 2.0.  It is OS/2 compatible, but it 
complains that it wants version 1.1 of OS/2.  Is there another version 
around or is there a patch I can make that will just change the version
that it is looking for?  It is sort of interesting that OS/2 has a 
mechanism for convincing programs that you are running various versions
of DOS, but not one to indicate varaious versions of OS/2.
-Dan Leduc
djl1@ra.msstate.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Icons in the title bar (a la EPM in ring enabled mode)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:25:40 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.os2.programmer
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Sep10.211453.26198@ans.net>  db3l@ans.net (David Bolen) writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.192335.36146@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watso
>
> >   Process the WM_FORMATFRAME message by calling the frame's default
> >   windowproc, and you'll get back an array of SWP structures equivalent
> >   to the value you returned for WM_QUERYFRAMECTLCOUNT.  The last n are
> >   for the ones you added, and are there for formatting the controls you
> >   want to add.
>
> I almost posted something close to this until I realized that I didn't know
> if the last n SWP structures were definitely for me.  Just out of curiosity,
> what happens in the case where the frame window is already subclassed by
> some other set of special controls (say you're using a library that provides
> a frame with other new controls)?  Are your own SWP structures still last,
> or is there a way to definitely find those that were allocated for your use
> (check for 0 HWNDs maybe)?

The documentation says:
   Applications that subclass frame controls may find that the frame
   is already subclassed; the number of frame controls is variable.

   The WM_FORMATFRAME and WM_QUERYFRAMECTLCOUNT messages must always
   be subclassed by calling the previous window procedure and
   modifying its result.

This implies to me that if you get back a value of f from the
WM_QUERYFRAMECTLCOUNT and return f+n, then the last n of the first
f+n entries will be yours, no matter where in the chain you are.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)