HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: greene@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tom Greene)
Subject: hawaii tattoos
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:55:33 GMT

well, i swore i was going to wait a while before my next tattoo, but i 
broke down last week and went to China Sea in Honolulu.  I was looking for
Kandi Everett actually, who works there on tuesdays.  Anyway, she did a
great hawaiian design on my upper arm, a series of triangles expanding into
a chevron pattern, and filled with "kapa" designs (geometric patterns used
on hawaiian bark cloth).  I had very little idea of what exactly i wanted,
and she was really helpful with suggestions and sketches.  the work is 
excellent, very detailed straight fine lines.  

if you're in honolulu, avoid the waikiki tourist hell and check out china 
sea - sleazy neighborhood, nice people!
deb

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From: dexter@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Donald Dexter 4-6489 ~BHOSVWZ#090)
Subject: Re: Pierces, Metal, and NMR?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:30:24 GMT

From article <OSIRIS.92Sep25134513@bettylou.mit.edu>, by osiris@athena.mit.edu (Marcel Bruchez Jr.):
> Hmmm, 
> 
> Well, I was wondering if anyone out there that reads with huge chunks of metal
> in their body works on a regular basis with NMR?  I am wondering if High Field
> machines cause any problem with pulling, etc.  I have heard stories about them
> pulling hammers out of belts, etc, but don't know if any of these are true.
> Thoughts?  anyone?
> 

depends on the mass of the metal involved and its ferrous content.
don't go into a bore w/ a plate in your head, shrapnel in your eye,
or a pacemaker in your chest.  pins in your knee arn't too bad, but
not recommended.

don't try to hold on to a mop bucket near the bore.  don't try to
catch a screwdriver flying toward the bore.  

metal that is completely non-ferrous isn't affected.  that would
include brass and stainless steel.  note though, that cold-worked
stainless is polarized and therefore is pulled.  this pull is 
much weaker than a hunk of iron, but increases w/ the amount of
cold-working the material was subjected to.

i don't know how jewlery is made, but a stainless (non-conductive)
ring that wasn't cold-worked shouldn't be a problem (though it
may affect imaging in that area).  also note that most med-tech
types have been trained (and rightly so) to make no exceptions and
probably won't let you into the scan room.

final note: don't ever wear a ring (or any coil) made from a conductor
into the bore, you'll likely get a nasty burn.

> -marcel

-don.

never one for disclaimers, but i guess this post warrents one:

the above represents my views only, the post is in no way connected
with the opinions of General Electric Medical Systems and 
should not be taken as official advice.  only scan room personel 
have the authority to decide what can and can't enter the bore.

wow.  my first disclaimer.
From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: EYEBROW
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:11:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lorelei

In article ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Sokhyon Pak)  writes:
>    I'm thinking about getting my Eyebrow pierced, but I'm not sure about
> it.  I had the guy who would pierce it explain it to me, but I don't
> know how painful it is, during and after the piercing.  Will anyone who
> knows please send me some E-mail?  Thanks


I got my eyebrow pierced at the guantlet near the beginning of this
year.  Right eyebrow, towards the outer edge.  To answer the person who
asked about eyebrow piercings in general, its done by taking a pinch of
skin in the eyebrow and piercing it.  The ring can either stick out
from your face or lie flat; it depends on how the piercer positions the
entry and exit points.

Mine wasn't that painful at all.  The most painful part of it was the
clamp, which started out as uncomfortable and got worse and worse as
time went on.  By the time Karen got the needle ready, positioned it,
and asked me if I was ready, I was gritting my teeth from the pain of
the clamp.  I didn't even *feel* the needle until the clamp was pulled
off.

It healed up reasonably quickly, more quickly than any other piercing
I've had except my QC, or rather *appeared* to heal....then it got
very, very infected and took nearly six weeks all told before it
stopped oozing.  I've heard fromother people that thier eyebrows
just healed in two weeks with no problems; your mileage may vary.

My biggest hint for healing -- if you have hair that falls over your
face, keep it off your face.  If you must wear it down keep it
scrupulouly clean and don't use any styling products.  I think I can
pretty much blame the problems I had with my eyebrow on my hair.

Sleeping on that side of your face is difficult while its healing, but no
more so than a cartilage piercing in your ear.  I got used to sleeping
with my hand cupped over my eye.

If you requested the piercer position it so it lies flat, don't be
alarmed that it doesn't while its healing; it does that.  Mine took
a few months before it lay flat.

Finally, will it grow out.  Possibly.  Perhaps.  Mine migrated a little
bit in the first few months after I got it, but seems to have settled
down in the position its in now.  I've heard from other people that 
it grew out almost immediately, and others where it took a year to grow
out.  I suppose the only way to find out is to pierce it an see.
--
**********************************************************
Laura Lemay		      lemay@sun.com (until friday)
        I can be reached at lemay@netcom.com after that...
**********************************************************
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: I've moved, if anyone cares....
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 20:26:23 EDT
Organization: ACME products - artillery division

batman@sgi.com (The Reverend Doctor Karl Elvis MacRae) writes:

> >> 	to set up for me; you can reach me here for the next couple 
> >> 	of weeks; after that, I'll be reachable at Cisco Systems....
> >
> >Cool. Maybe you can tell me why my goddam MGS-3 can't filter on a
> >byte offset on anything except Token Ring!
> 
> 	Ok, but first I'll have to figure out what the fuck that 
> 	means.

It means I have to find yet another work-around for some of my networks.
:)

> >>       *Whew*.... Finally out of Sun. It's time to party; It's time
> >> 	to get tattooed.
> >
> >How 'bout the Sun setting over San Fran-Cisco?
> 
> 	Ick.....

Hey, I tried, ok?

--
"A leopard never changes his stripes" 
           -- Al Gore, candidate for vice-president
From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: forearm tattoo
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvpH8z.BpL
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

Well, I'm just about psyched for my first tattoo, think I've got the
pattern I want picked out.

I have grandiose schemes for compilcated, polychromatic extravaganzas on
my upper arms, but decided getting something simple and small would be
a good first step.  I may decide I hate the whole process, after all.
Anyway, I wanted to get a simple but interesting geometrical pattern
on the inside of my lower left arm, just above the wrist.  Part fun, part
meditation focus.  probably monochromatic.

A friend suggested that this may be a bad place to start, because of the
sensitivity of the area.  Any comments.  I want something I could 
casually look at and focus on during the course of the day.

Joe,
wondering what the folks will think...
From: braunste@fjord.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (lance the braunstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Bodyart in comic books?
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:29:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

there was some piercing as i recall in "skinheads in love" published by  
Eros Comics.

steam
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:41:04 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates) writes:

>Along the same line, the Hopi artist Charles Loloma would often put as 
>much work decorating the *inside* of a ring or bracelet as he did the 
>outside.  He offered the same philosophy.  The owner had a private world 
>(work of art) that was hidden from the view of others.  You can take the 
>metaphor further, but the knowledge of a hidden beauty is something I have 
>always found appealing.

Why?  There is so little beauty in the world, it should be shared if found.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
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From: clements@beam.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements)
Subject: Re: Pierces, Metal, and NMR?
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:52:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.093817.12487@mr.med.ge.com> bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
>
>The comparison of a small magnet to a MRI magnet possibly up to 1.5 tesla
>is no real compairason.  I commonly can feel the nails that hold the heels
>on my shoes.  An additional thought is that circular shape of rings that
>act an antenea attracting all those RF waves, possibly heatting up as in a 
>microwave oven.  No I would recommend removal of all rings unless they are
>made of non-metalic substances, including the plating that makes them shine.
>You don't want to make a guinee pig of yourself, or do you?

Well, I guess this goes without saying, but I _did_ make a guinea pig of
myself (foolish, perhaps) but I emerge unscathed to report that a 14
gauge stainless steel ring in the lip caused no winding, tearing,
burning, spindling, or mutilation during an MRI head scan.  (Now the 12
penny nails I pounded into my skull, on the other hand... :) .) 

john clements
21, intact


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From: lambda@cis.umassd.edu (David G. Beals)
Subject: Bodyart in comic books?
Summary: An interesting drawing...
Keywords: bodyart comics swamp thing 25th anniversary
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:01:23 GMT

I'm both a comic book collector and an aficionado of piercing (I've only
got a Prince Albert so far, but more are planned for the future), which is
why I was very surprised and pleased to see piercing work its way into one of
the comic books I read! In the current issue of "Swamp Thing," (the 25th
anniversary issue), a demon named Gorefleck, who has numerous piercings, makes
an appearance. The most noteworthy piercings I saw on him were two nipple rings
and a guiche. The three piercings were all connected by a wonderful set of
Y-shaped chains.

Too bad the demon had the body of a baboon.... :-)

                                                          -Dave Beals

ps.- Speaking of piercings in comics, Neil Gaiman showed the hard way to do
     a nipple piercing in an issue of "The Season of Mists." It was done with
     a large, two-tined meat fork. To add insult to injury, they didn't even
     have the sense to put in the jewelry afterwards. ;-)
From: john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercing in oregon/portland/seattle
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:25:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: n7kbt.4738
Organization: Two strange people in Forest Grove, OR

Attitudes, in Portland, has a very good reputation.  The woman who owns the
shop (I forget her name) is supposed to be one of the top piercers in the
country.

-- 
John Opalko

john@n7kbt.rain.com  -or-  wi.5327@n7kbt.rain.com
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Subject: labia piercings and shaving
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:34:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> do you shave around it?  move the ring back and forth to shave?  wait
-> til it;s healed?

 Do any of those permanent hair removal schemes really work?  If so, why
go through the hassle of shaving?  Just have the hair removed.
                                                                                                                    
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From: ae740@yfn.ysu.edu (Matthew Coda)
Subject: Request for info.
Reply-To: ae740@yfn.ysu.edu (Matthew Coda)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:02:42 GMT



I'm looking into getting my first tat. and have had a place reccomended to me.
I'm living in Philly at the moment and don't want to have to go too far to get
one.  The place reccomended to me is:

 
        Wizard & Co.
        Ridge Road
        Claymont, Delaware
 
        Phone (302) 798-5513

If anyone has any information on this place or can reccomend any other places
in the general Philly area please drop me a line.  Thanks.

My address is in ae740@yfn.ysu.edu


 
-- 
Virtual Matt, in his virtual office, doing virtually........

Matt Coda ae740@yfn.ysu.edu
U-grad, Materials Engineering, Drexel University
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:51:44 GMT
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <1992Oct1.010628.14748@odin.corp.sgi.com> batman@lenny.corp.sgi.com writes:
>	
>> Plus the pain thing kinda bothers me...
>
>	Tattoos hurt. No question about it. You're getting poked
>	with a needle; it hurts. Anyone who tells you it doesn't is
>	either being macho or has no pain threshold.
>
>	But the thing with pain is that it's not so much pain that's
>	the issue, but FEAR of pain; once you overcome that, it's just
>	a sensation; an unpleasant one (Or a pleasant one, depending
>	on your mindset and pain threshold), but not a big deal. The
>	trick is to remember that it's your *fear* that must be
>	overcome.

Everyone who knows anything about tattooing has commented on how much
my tattoo must have hurt.  I was in the Seattle Tattoo Emporioum the
other day and that's the first thing the artist mentioned when he
saw the amulet on my sternum, just below the collar bones.  We talked
about the work for a few minutes and he made mention that I must
be 'more into pain than others.  Some people are into pain.

Well, I'm not into pain (not like he was implying), but I understand it.
Like Karl says about fear.  We only fear what we do not understand.  
I understood what was happening so the fear thing was not a factor.  
Yes, it did hurt.  I guess as much as everyone said it would, but 
it was something to accept and not fear.

>	It's not an intense pain, apart from certain very tender spots
>	(Inside of the elbow, sides, etc); it's more like a major
>	irritation than big time pain. 

The outlining was harder and the shading was almost a relief.

>		The bottom line is, don't be afraid, and it won't 
>	be that bad.

Good advice -- listen to this man.




     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.
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Subject: Re: The tattoo
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> Along the same line, the Hopi artist Charles Loloma would often put
-> as much work decorating the *inside* of a ring or bracelet as he did
-> the outside.  He offered the same philosophy.  The owner had a
-> private world (work of art) that was hidden from the view of others.
-> You can take the metaphor further, but the knowledge of a hidden
-> beauty is something I have always found appealing.

        in the elder days of Art
        craftsmen wrought with greatest care
        each minute and unseen part
        for the gods see everywhere

                                                -anonymous
 
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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Pierces, Metal, and NMR?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:38:17 GMT

Guy Grundwell (gac@mace.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: In article <OSIRIS.92Sep25134513@bettylou.mit.edu> osiris@athena.mit.edu (Marcel Bruchez Jr.) writes:
: >Hmmm, 
: >
: >Well, I was wondering if anyone out there that reads with huge chunks of metal
: >in their body works on a regular basis with NMR?  I am wondering if High Field
: >machines cause any problem with pulling, etc.  I have heard stories about them
: >pulling hammers out of belts, etc, but don't know if any of these are true.
: >Thoughts?  anyone?
: >
: >-marcel
: 
: Well, I start solid state NMR training next Tuesday (10/6?) but luckily,
: I don't think it would have any effect.  I've already sat at home and waived
: my piercings in front of a magnet and haven't experienced any hint              of magnetism  (haven't done it with the niobium yet..
: but I expect the same result).  I've also been next to some gnarly FTMS
: (Fourier Transform Mass Specs) and there's been no effects (except for
: credit cards getting wiped out...).                                             So I don't think it would be a big deal and any stories
: of such are probably on alt.bodyart.NMR.folklore. 


The comparison of a small magnet to a MRI magnet possibly up to 1.5 tesla
is no real compairason.  I commonly can feel the nails that hold the heels
on my shoes.  An additional thought is that circular shape of rings that
act an antenea attracting all those RF waves, possibly heatting up as in a 
microwave oven.  No I would recommend removal of all rings unless they are
made of non-metalic substances, including the plating that makes them shine.
You don't want to make a guinee pig of yourself, or do you?

: 
: 
: Bis Spater,
: gac@mace.cc.purdue.edu

--
------------------------------------
| Excuse me while I kiss the sky!  | 
|                            J.H.  |
____________________________________

The usual disclaimer of self and employer applies to all above comments.
#
From: gac@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Guy Grundwell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Pierces, Metal, and NMR?
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:34:24 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Purdue University

In article <OSIRIS.92Sep25134513@bettylou.mit.edu> osiris@athena.mit.edu (Marcel Bruchez Jr.) writes:
>Hmmm, 
>
>Well, I was wondering if anyone out there that reads with huge chunks of metal
>in their body works on a regular basis with NMR?  I am wondering if High Field
>machines cause any problem with pulling, etc.  I have heard stories about them
>pulling hammers out of belts, etc, but don't know if any of these are true.
>Thoughts?  anyone?
>
>-marcel

Well, I start solid state NMR training next Tuesday (10/6?) but luckily,
I don't think it would have any effect.  I've already sat at home and waived
my piercings in front of a magnet and haven't experienced any hint              of magnetism  (haven't done it with the niobium yet..
but I expect the same result).  I've also been next to some gnarly FTMS
(Fourier Transform Mass Specs) and there's been no effects (except for
credit cards getting wiped out...).                                             So I don't think it would be a big deal and any stories
of such are probably on alt.bodyart.NMR.folklore. 


Bis Spater,
gac@mace.cc.purdue.edu
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From: batman@sgi.com (The Reverend Doctor Karl Elvis MacRae)
Subject: Re: The first tattoo
Reply-To: batman@lenny.corp.sgi.com
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:06:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.004350.12111@tc.cornell.edu> mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
>Yow! Sounds painful. I'm thinking about making the leap and getting
>a smallish fish tattoo on my forearm, about an inch and a half below
>the inside of the elbow. What I'm interested in is what kinds of things
>I should look out for when trying to find an artist.

	That's an easy one; look for talent. You want someone who 
	can do a decent line, understands shading, etc. Best thing
	to do is to look at photos of her/his work (Most have photos
	in the shop), and better yet, see if you can find someone 
	with some of the artist's ink so you can see how it ages,
	plus ask them how happy they are with the artist's work.

	Also, if you don't have some artwork ready, you need someone
	with some artistic talent; there are people out there who
	are fucking great tattooists who are not that great as artists
	(Look at Ed Hardy's work).

	You want someone who understands about disease. Watch them
	work; are they careful about what they touch? Is *everything*
	that contacts blood sterilized by autoclave? Etc...

	Finally, you want someone you can work with. If you can't 
	talk to them comfortably, the chances of getting just what you
	want go way down...
	
> Plus the pain thing kinda bothers me...

	Tattoos hurt. No question about it. You're getting poked
	with a needle; it hurts. Anyone who tells you it doesn't is
	either being macho or has no pain threshold.

	But the thing with pain is that it's not so much pain that's
	the issue, but FEAR of pain; once you overcome that, it's just
	a sensation; an unpleasant one (Or a pleasant one, depending
	on your mindset and pain threshold), but not a big deal. The
	trick is to remember that it's your *fear* that must be
	overcome.

> maybe someone could explain just exactly what
>goes into getting a tattoo...

	It's simple; they slap they stencil on you, dip the 
	needle in ink, and ZZZZZZZZZZZZ, away you go. There's
	really not much more to it. 

	It's not an intense pain, apart from certain very tender spots
	(Inside of the elbow, sides, etc); it's more like a major
	irritation than big time pain. 

		
		The bottom line is, don't be afraid, and it won't 
	be that bad.



			-Karl




--
		No Sig.		No Job.		No Worries.
From: bmr@sgi.com (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: The tattoo
Keywords: My own art piece
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:02:00 GMT
Organization: Saint Sebastian's School for Wicked Girls

In article <1992Sep28.220047.23474@serval.net.wsu.edu> swanv@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
>
> 
>I had it done at Artistic Impressions in Hillyard, Washington (a suburb
>of Spokane) by Duffy, the shop owner. It took him a little over 2 hours
>from start to finish at his custom rate of $75/hour. There's a *lot* of
>fine-line, shading, and color blending in the piece, so I consider it
>very reasonable. 

Indeed. I shelled out $180.00 this morning for an hour and 10 minutes
of Eddie Deutsche's time... *ouch*... 'course, it looks great, but
still...

-Barb
From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercing in oregon/portland/seattle
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:48:44 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

SWT10@CCCVM.CCC.AMDAHL.COM (Scott Tyree) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.192943.28242@bradley.bradley.edu>
>gremlin@buhub.bradley.edu (Stephanie Udry) writes:
> 
>>
>>posting for a friend--
>>
>>they are looking for a good place for piercing in/near oregon/portland/seattle/
>>bay area...they are from oregon...


Ahna Edwards of Attitudes in Portland is a quite a good piercer. She comes  
to Seattle and pierces at Fantasies Unlimited periodically as well as at her
studio (Attitudes) in Portland. I don't have her card with me but she's
listed (as is Fantasies).

Tsilke, who got her clit hood done at the Gauntlet and reccomends them (as well
as Raelyn) also.
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