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From: cbx@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Christina Boeres)
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: informations about universities
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:38:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh


     My sister would like some informations about British Universities, because
she is intending to do her PhD Course.

      She did her MSc course in Brazil, in the Federal University of Rio de 
Janeiro. Her thesis was about Elastic Algorithms and graph Theory. She is
interested in studying Neural Networks, graph theory,, knowledge representation
and similar subjects.

      I would be very pleased to receive informations about Universities
to send to her.

       Thanks
          cristina
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 15:54:34 CST
From: <U51519@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Composites research at MSU

I am an undergraduate student in the materials science program here at UIC.

After my BS degree, I would like to go on to grad school to study in the
materials/mechanics area. I know that MSU has a department of MatSci/Mechanics
department, but are grad students allowed to go into both of these areas? In
essence, how much of an overlap of MatSci and Mechanics is there in the
department. Finally, how difficult is it to enter the composites program
through the MatSci/Mech. department. I am asking this because I heard that
most of the research in the composites center is conducted by people in the
ChE department. If so is it possible for a student in one department to work
with a professor in another.

I would appreciate any information from anybody in the program or familiar
with MSU.

Thanks in advance,
Ari Caliskan
Univ. of Illinois-Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
From: zedaker@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (PMW "MAP")
Subject: geography
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:22:54 GMT

Anyone studing geogaphy out there?

Pam
From: RSE32195@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Biomedical Engineering
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:44:12 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

To anyone out there paying attention:

I am a senior (undergrad) mechanical engineering student, and am planning
to attend graduate school in biomedical engineering.  I am in the process
of narrowing down the list of schools that I will be applying to, and 
would like to hear any insight that anyone has about graduate biomedical
engineering programs.  So, if you'd like to plug your school (or give me a
warning), or if you just have something to say, please do so.  I'm 
primarily interested in biomechanics, implants, and biomaterials.
I have looked at Peterson's guide, sent away for and looked at all the
nice color brochures with pretty pictures that schools send out - I'm
interested in some personal opinions and experiences that I'll never get
from Peterson's
Thanks!

Stefan Radloff
University of Tulsa
rse32195@vax1.utulsa.edu
From: 2hujsure@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Information about grad Schools
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:48:04 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hi,
   I've graduated with B.S. in Electrical Engineering, and I am planning to go
to grad school.  Can anyone give me more information about good graduate
schools, and their requirements (GPA, and GRE test scores)?
							Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.college.gradinfo
From: cwilbur@polar.bowdoin.edu (Charlton Wilbur)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Argumentum ad hominem
Date: 20 Dec 1992 22:24:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Amy,

Certainly your school may have different usages than mine. At the schools I'm
familiar with, however, the word _frat_ has definite negative connotations.
And I'm saying that if you use the word _frat_, I'll read it as
anti-fraternity. I'm not claiming to be The Charlton; I've misplaced my
original post and can't reread it, so I apologize if I sounded like I was
being authoritarian. Quite frankly, however -- and it may be a localized
phenomenon, limited to the few school with fraternities that I have contact
with -- I prefer the word _fraternity_ or the word _house_ to the word _frat._
None of my brothers and sisters in Alpha Delta Phi at Bowdoin has ever used
the word _frat_ within my hearing, and neither have the members of the various
other _houses_. And to the best of my recollection, neither has anyone from
Brown, MIT, Wesleyan, Columbia, or Stanford. 

Amy, most members I know refer to them as "fraternities" and consider the word
"frat" repulsive. We're not going to solve this by comparing how many friends
we have; I propose that since fewer people find "fraternity" offensive, we use
that. 

Perhaps it's a coed thing: Amy, just for the sake of knowing, how many of your
friends that call fraternities "frats" are in all-male houses? I ask because
almost all of my information comes from coed houses.

Charlton
-- 
Charlton Wilbur             Internet: cwilbur@polar.bowdoin.edu
Moulton Union 690A            BITnet: cwilbur@bowdoin.bitnet
Bowdoin College            Telephone: (207) 725-3962
Brunswick, ME 04011                   (207) 725-3963 
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:45:15 GMT

In article <BzAFGF.5K5@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.022145.24684@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>>
>>OK, you've convinced me - "he" is gender-neutral.  We have our desired
>>unsexist terminology, so henceforth I shall use "he" and its variants
>>always, and drop the redundant "she".
>>
>>"Is Joan here?"  "No, he's not."  "How about Bob?"  "Yes, he's over
>>there."
>>
>>Generic enough for you?
>>
>>       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
>
>"He" is generic DEPENDING UPON THE CONTEXT OF ITS USAGE!

So it's generic when you think it is, and specific when you don't?
People will always know, when you use "he", whether you mean the generic
or specific usage?

Say you tell me:  "If a student comes, give him this envelope".  Is this
generic or specific?  Even asking the question puts the "he as male"
thought in my mind - in other words, even your intended generic use
suggests the gender specific .  .  .

I suggest context will usually cause people to evoke a male when they
read "he".  I know it does for me . . .

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: QUIT IT!  (Re: sexism flames)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:50:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cs106323@umbc3.umbc.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This sexism flamewar has totally left the
 realm of soc.college.  Take it somewhere
 else, like alt.politically.correct or 
 *.sexism.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: grweiss@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Robert Weiss)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Association
Summary: Eating Clubs at Princeton vis-a-vis Frats & Sororities
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: fraternities sororities eating clubs
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:00:09 GMT

Note to all:  This is not a flame.  If you want to flame, go elsewhere!

In article <1992Dec12.192946.7635@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>One can't make too much out of a denial of cert, which has no precedential
>value, but the Court *did* refuse to review the opening of the Princeton
>eating clubs, which for all intents and purposes, I would argue are *more*
>intimate than the typical single-sex fraternity.  Frank v Ivy Club (1991).

Some historical context: Fraternities were banned from the Princeton campus
early in this century under (Princeton) President Woodrow Wilson.  
The ban essentially meant that the fraternities were denied formal recognition
by the university and all rights to using university facilities for any
purpose.  He also tried to get rid of the eating clubs and failed,
since they existed solely apart from the university as private entities and 
were not financially or physically dependent on the university.  Fraternities
(and later, sororities) have existed in very small numbers underground for
since then.  Most of the impetuous for fraternities was absorbed by the 
eating clubs (drinking, educational and social opportunities, parties, etc...)

For many years before the filing of the Frank v Ivy Club suit, most eating
clubs have been open to new members without discrimination via lottery, 
while a few others (such as Ivy Club) have been self-selecting, largely 
through an interviewing process known as bicker.  

Here's my point: As the last two self-selecting, single-sex eating clubs have 
gone co-ed in the three years I've been here, there has been a *dramatic*
rise in fraternal activity.  The number of students has risen by a factor
of 5, at least.  From what I can tell, when you reduce the opportunities
for single-sex social gatherings, the students will just go underground or
some place off-campus where the university has no control over them.

Perhaps greek organizations would improve if they went co-ed, but 
what makes you think that such activities that you object to would not
simply go elsewhere, as noted above, or to groups such as single-sex sports
teams?  I'm for the expansion of co-ed groups, but I'm pretty wary of the
frequent "unintended consequences" that arise when society or groups in
society attempt to impose their will on others.  What do think will happen
to students who wish to be in the current type of fraternity/sorority 
if fraternities and sororities go co-ed?

  --Greg
    grweiss@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 08:24:51 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM> writes:
>From the keyboard of gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener):
>:True, but "freshman" indicates that the student is in the first year of his
>:or her undergraduate tenure.  
>
>A second-year student could still be a freshman -- they (or do you 
>prefer "he, she, or it"?) might not have reached sophomore status 
>yet due to insufficient credits.

Again, over here a second-year student may have been at university 
for any number of years; but they're doing (preponderantly) second-
year-level courses.

-- 
The net is like a vast sea of lutefisk with tiny dinosaur brains embedded 
in it here and there. Any given spoonful will likely have an IQ of 1, but 
occasional spoonfuls may have an IQ more than six times that!
                                                     - James 'Kibo' Parry
From: dcg5662@hertz.njit.edu (Dave Grabowski (KxiK))
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: observations (frat)
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:45:19 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec14.032648.28935@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.023741.16916@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> DSCT@db1.cc.rochester.edu (DAVID SCOTT) writes:
>>I don't see a differance between first-year and freshman, and think that
>>arguing to change it is as good as abolishing fraternities to get
>>rid of rape. (from my point of view, not very). 
>>					-Gavin Fischer
>
>Who's been arguing that abolishing fraternities will get rid of rape?  I've
>only made the claim that reforming fraternities will reduce the rate of
>rape on campus.

  Well, then I guess if we banned the ownership of baseball bats, people
wouldn't be beaten with them. Ahh, you say, but baseball bats also serve
a useful purpose! Yes, they do. And there's no problem with them until
you beat someone with one. Well, since there's a hell of a lot of
fraternities that have never raped anyone (and probably never will), why
should WE be penalized for what others have done?

-Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.035458.26651@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.002848.29714@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:

>>>> But "freshman student at the University of Pennsylvania, class of 1995"
>>>> has a couple of dozen or so syllables.  While "first-year" has two.
>>>> Gee, comparing apples and oranges is fun!

>>>Of course, just saying 'first-year' doesn't specify which year the
>>>student will graduate.

>>Neither does "freshman"... 8-)

>True, but "freshman" indicates that the student is in the first year of his
>or her undergraduate tenure.  At a major university, a first year student
>cound be an undergrad, a law student, a medical student, etc.

Well, UVa is a major university, they tell me, yet they've called 1st-yr
undergrads first-years since the time of Mister Jefferson, and as far
as I can tell that's *before* the popularity of "freshman."  (Of course,
they also call the campus the lawn, but that's their right.)

>>>> >I refuse to waste so much energy to change
>>>> >from using a normal, widely accepted, only considered offensive by people
>>>> >who have too much time on their hands term to a twice as long one.

>>>> So you have no objections to replacing "chairman" with "chair"?

>>>Only if I can sit on the laps of people who replace the word 'chairman'
>>>with 'chair' -- isn't one supposed to sit on a chair?  :-)

>>I think Charles Dickens would have objected, unless you're really 
>>quite cuddly.  The usage is common in _Pickwick Papers_.

>"Chair" never bothers me.  I use both "chair" and "chairman" depending
>on circumstance.  If I'm talking casually, I might say, "She's chair
>of that new committee."  But if I'm announcing it at a speech, I'd
>certainly say, "Introducing the new chairman of the search committee."

Fine, but there's nothing intrinsically more formal about it.  

>I'd only introduce the new chair if it were a furniture show.

I didn't know search committees *had* their own furniture.  

>I find it funny.  Those students in the first year of their
>undergraduate education still call themselves freshmen, even at
>Barnard.  Female heads of committess still call themselves chairmen.

Some do.  Some don't.  

>This isn't a situation, as is the case with "African American," where
>a group is deciding what they wish to be called.  The "Freshman"
>business is being decided by people who obviously are getting paid
>too much and doing too little.  They should stop wasting their time
>and let the freshmen call themselves whatever they want.

I'd check out a few more campuses -- not to mention the Lawn -- before 
making a global statement like that.

Roger

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From: mix@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:10:17 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Dec14.164222.27808@news.eng.convex.com>, Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM> writes:
> From the keyboard of gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener):
> :True, but "freshman" indicates that the student is in the first year of his
> :or her undergraduate tenure.  
> 
> A second-year student could still be a freshman -- they (or do you 
						     ^^^^
> prefer "he, she, or it"?) might not have reached sophomore status 
> yet due to insufficient credits.

	Oh God, not this!  Can't everyone just accept the generic "he" 
and get on with their lives?!

-----------
Darrick Mix
Georgetown University
mix@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu

Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:15:19 GMT

In article <BzBs7x.97G@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>
>Really!  I think you are confused!  :)
>You let your prejudice that men includes men only, and not women,
>when used in this context, override your ability to make logical
>decisions.

My "prejudice" that men includes men only, and not women?  Oh my!  What
a dreadful person I must be not to realize that "men" means "women" too
(except, of course, when it means "men" only!)

In the sentence "men includes men and women", does the second "men" also
include women?  "Men includes men (and women) and women".

(Apply some set theory to THAT, Mandar!  Set A is composed of distinct
sets A and B - the corollary of course is that B is and is not a member
of A - presto, proof by contradiction!  While doing math, you would
resolve the problem by changing your notation:  Set C is composed of
distinct sets A and B.  The set "people" is made up of distinct sets
"men" and "women".)

Or, in Humpty Dumpty fashion, does a word mean just what you want it to
mean, no more and no less?  And anyone who doesn"t instantly realize
what you mean is, of course, prejudiced.

Someone is indeed confused!

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: mmmirash@banshee.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: Shaking people up with "she"? (was Re: Sexist language)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:13:05 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec17.144810.27519@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>
>What with "they" and "one", and a bit of care in constructing our
>sentences, we need never use "he" to mean "he or she".
>
OR, with a little bit of care on our behalf, in making the context,
or our assumptions clearer, we need never use "they" when "he" is
intuitively used.

>Would that last sentence had been any better if I'd written:
>
>   What with "they" and "one", and a bit of care in constructing his
>   sentences, a person need never . . .
>
>       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself

Of course!   ;)

                                                            Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Frosh (was Re: Sexist language (was...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:04:12 GMT

In article <BzDMLy.IGE@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>
>Language isn't related to the continuation of these hardships, *people*
>are.

"Guns don't shoot people, people shoot people."

But people do use guns to hurt each other, and people use language to
hurt each other.  Just as I would not approve of someone going down the
street shooting at people, I do not approve of people using language
that diminishes others - and this includes language that implies women
are subsidiary to men.

>Hmmm....I have *no* such prejudices. What I argue for are realities.

*No* prejudices, Mandar?  Why, why, you must be GOD!

Do you really *know* all of reality?  Are you really all-knowing,
infinitely wise?  Do you really consider your pronouncements Eternal
Truth?  Gee, must be nice to be perfect!

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: Sexist language 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:36:37 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <Bz6snr.o8@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater) writes:
>
>Changing words just for the sake of it is merely fiddling while Rome burns.
>
>Tim.


My sentiments exactly!!

                                                            Mandar.
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Xref: sparky soc.college:5565 alt.usage.english:9513
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:24:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <Bz9unx.6z5@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
>Quoting eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) in article <1992Dec14.170120.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>:
>>Hey, don't drag the rest of the English speaking world into this.
>
>Over here, they're "freshers".  I don't know if it's ever been otherwise...

In India, the colloquial usage is "freshies"!   :)
And *seniors* rag the "freshies".    :(


And then again, it has nothing to do with the American meaning of the
term "freshmen". It simply indicates whether a student is a "fresh 'un",
who has recently arrived for his schooling/college education. Somehow,
the word "freshman" conjures up the meaning "apprentice" when I come
across it.

                                                           Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Comments on Greek Life
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:50:27 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   

In article <1992Dec10.205121.10389@news.cs.indiana.edu>  writes:
> Opps, I'm sorry folks, that was rude, but LOOK AT THIS BS.  This is
> exactly a cause of a lot of the sexist problems we have here.  Women
> are people, just like men are.  Living with men AND women should not
> affect your living arrangement or "freedom" anymore than living with
> just men does.  Yeesh.

It shouldn't yet it does, and forcing someone to do it isn't going to help  
anything.  However if you keep on persisting with you viewpoint, then  
eventually changes may come to pass.