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From: nac.enet.dec.com!g_waugaman@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Buffalo (Includes Red Sox rumor!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:39:00 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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In article <BrstMy.BxA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu 
(Harold_Brooks) writes...
> 
>Additional rumor that came out of a nice article on Rob Maurer in yester-
>day's _Daily Oklahoman_:  Rob says that he's constantly hearing rumors
>that he's going to be traded to various places.  The current rumor he's
>heard is that the Red Sox are trying to acquire him.  Anyone from the Red
>Sox contingent (Val???) hear anything about this from your end?  Maurer
>would probably do extremely well in Fenway--left-handed line drive hitter
>with some power who walks a lot.  (Actually, he might do well a number 
>of places--Worrell for Maurer?  I like it.)

At least a month ago a Dallas newspaper report claimed that Texas was 
interested in Joe Hesketh, and were offering both Maurer *and* Monty
Farris, but the Red Sox wanted a "more established" hitter, of the type 
that is not currently getting the job done, apparently.  It's a deal I 
would have made in a minute, but now Hesketh is struggling to make five 
innings a start.

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bucs over the weekend
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:57:56 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <AeP2=zS00WB4QcmbJc@andrew.cmu.edu> al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
>To start, I thought Danny Jackson threw the hell out of the ball on Sunday
>against the Cubs.  ESPN said he hit 95 on the gun and I heard a lot of 93,
>94 MPH fastballs even in the 7th inning.  He must be healthy and I think he
>will help the pitching staff, especially with Zane Smith having a sore

Jackson certainly threw well, but that had to be the "fast gun" ESPNhad
because they got Neagle at 89MPH and he doesn't throw hard at all.


Russ Smith
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 21:15:59 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 14

With nobody on, the batter hits a high pop-up in front of the
plate. The catcher gets into position to make the catch, but loses
sight of the ball just before it comes down and bounces off his
glove, which is over the plate. The ball squirts to the backstop.
The catcher retrieves the ball and throws it back to the pitcher.
The pitcher takes his position on the rubber, the catcher and
batter go to their boxes, and the pitcher pitches. The batter
grounds the ball back to the pitcher, and the pitcher throws the
ball to first for the out. How is this play scored?


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||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
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Subject: Re: Scoring Runs
From: buchhosd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Scott D Buchholz)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:36:57 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1431@hades.hera.Sbi.Com> page@zip.sbi.com (Terence Page) writes:
>Here is an interesting trivia question that Joe Baldino and I thought we
>would pose to you:
>
>  How many different ways can a team score a run without an RBI being
>registered?
>
>We can think of a few:
>
>  1. Error
>  2. Steal Home
>  3. Balk
>  4. Interference
>
>Any others?
>
>Terry Page

5. Wild Pitch
6. Passed Ball
7. Double Play
-- 

                                         Scott Buchholz
                                         University of Cincinnati
                                         Computer Science
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re: End of regular season?
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:15:02 GMT


In article <1992Jul28.103211.651@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner) writes:
> 
> When does the regular season end ? (Yes, I know - after last game; but the
> correct date would be very nice)

The final games of the regular season are scheduled for October 4th.

> When is the World Series this year?

Why, after the regular season and League Championship Series, of
course. :-) Sorry. I don't have dates for these.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:41:48 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: bucs roster spot

Is Wagner still with the team?  I thought he was sent down.  In that case,
who was brought up to replace him.
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Some Padre trade ideas (Expos, Toronto, A's...)
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:38:15 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

So, for whoever cares,

it's clear that the Padres are peddling Benito, and that a lot of
teams want Hurst.  Since I've been doing a lot of rotisserie dealing
over the past couple of days, I have a couple of ideas...

(1)  Santiago for Fletcher/VanderWal

I think the Expos feel in contention, and I wonder if they
would take Benito for Fletcher and VanderWal?  Or even
Fletcher and any decent OF prospect...

Santiago would probably help the team offensively, VanderWal
is a part time player right now and may not be a star, and
there's no real reason to have both Fletcher and Santiago.

For the Padres, VanderWal would be a good addition in LF,
and a Fletcher/Walters platoon would be probably better
total C package than Benito...

Of course, Montreal probably couldn't sign Benito long-term;
but do have Natal in the pipeline, plus lots of OF prospects, plus
possibly Calderon coming back for the rest of the year.  Thus
they give up players who are reasonably replaceable within
the organization for somebody who might make that 1 or 2 game
difference in chasing the Pirates.

(2)  Hurst for the package of prospects from the A's

What has been mentioned is Chitren, Armas & Neel (& maybe another prospect)

Which is pretty decent if you believe that Neel's numbers this
year are indicative of true ability (I think he's playing a bit over
his head, but is clearly a good prospect).  Chitren stinks,
but has been excellent in the past (how ever much past a kid like
him has...) and could be a closer someday.  Seems to be wild this
year; possible arm troubles?  Armas I don't know about, nor the
other prospects mentioned.

Good for Oakland this year - Hurst should be a big help to the
staff, and they don't give up current position players.  I like it;
but it might be a lot of future to give up just for Hurst.

(3)  Hurst to Toronto for Bell & Henke?

This might be a stretch...  Henke may be on the downward spiral, though.
I like Bell a lot... Hurst might not be needed in the staff.

Comments?

Dave


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From: men28794@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael E Napier)
Subject: Re: Shoot Harry
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.125606.3480@news.acns.nwu.edu> erude@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Erick Rudiak) writes:
>In article <Brt4Lu.Gvp@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>|> 
>	Harry hasn't gotten a name right in years.  The most embarrassing of all 
>was when Rafael Palmeiro came up with the Cubs (in '86, I think - has it been
>*that* long?) and for the entire season, and the next season, too, Harry *always*
>said "Raffy Palermo."  It was just brutal.  If a homer like Harry can't get the 
>names of the guys on his own team right, I think someone (in authority) should
>tell the man to retire.  His best (better?  I don't know if he ever had best days)
>are way behind him.
>

My favorite was when he called Terry Pendleton, Terry 'Pendergas'

Harry -- always good for a laugh.

>
>
>P.S.  I don't particularly like Harry either.
>
>-- Erick

P.S.S  I DO like Harry.

Mike.
Go Bucs Go!

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From: bcschu@skws02.monsanto.com (Brett Schultz)
Subject: Re: Wiffleball Equipment?
Organization: Monsanto Company
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:48:04 GMT

kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
: What type of bats and balls do most people use in wiffleball. I haven't
: played in years and this thread has got me excited to play again.
: We used to use the thin yellow bats and the balls with holes on one
: side. Curve balls were easy with those balls, even for ten year olds like
: us.

Those are the same bats and balls we still use.  One thing you might want to
try is if you want to make the bat feel heavier and more like a real baseball
bat, rap some duct tape around the end of the bat.  It works really well.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Jul27.231316.4752@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri  
Nichols) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.200202.15313@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>  
91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
> >I think we have had this dance before.  Mickey Hatcher?  
> 
> Proud possessor of a World Series ring, unlike Ted Williams.
> 
> >IF, going into an infinite series, two teams were statistically equal  
- very 
> >big IF - AND one team was to win a significantly greater amount of  
games than 
> >the other team, you would attribute the total difference to luck.  I  
would 
> >attribute some of that difference to luck and some of that difference  
to
> >the slippery essence of all human endeavors.  No, I don't know what  
that essence
> >is nor do I know how to measure it.  When people talk about character  
or
> >attitude they are trying to describe it.  I can't do much better than
> that. 
> 
> What's the difference between the "slippery essence of all human  
endeavors"
> and "luck"?  Seriously.  
> 

Luck is random. The "slippery essence ... " is superstar A giving
it 100% even when he's so tired he wants to sit down, while
superstar B, in the same situation, does not.  It is people playing
when hurt.  Or, to take an example from another sport, it is
Willis Reed, barely able to walk, coming back to play after going down 
with a nasty injury: the Lakers were dead as soon as he walked out
out on the court.

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From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney)
Subject: Re: Dawson, was: Re: GMaddux to Test Free Agency Waters
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:41:57 GMT

demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>
>While Andre has been a valuable offensive player most of his
>career, he needs to hit above .290 and get 25+ HRs to be one
>since he hardly ever draws a walk and makes lots of outs...
>He makes up for the out-eating with tons of slugging and
>hits, but when he hits .270 he is not really particularly 
>valuable.  And when he isn't hitting .300 he's usually
>around .250.
>
      1.  If you hit above .250 on the Cubs roster this year, you are
practically eligible for MVP. He is one of their top hitters (3rd only
to Grace and Sandberg).
      2.  HRs: As of Saturday night, when (so I hear, I missed the game)
Andre got a home run, he is tied with Ryno for most number of HRs on the
team (16, I think). If that isn't on his way to 25 for the season (let
alone the 400 lifetime mark), I don't know what is. Unless Lefebvre takes
Andre out of the lineup, we should see 25 HRs out of him.
      3.  I do see Andre get K'ed a lot, but I've seen Sandberg go through
similiar slumps. I have seen Andre intentionally walked twice in the same
game. I have seen him draw a couple of walks besides. (Sorry, no stats avail-
iable on this one).


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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Wed, Jul 22, 1992
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:16:57 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <1992Jul23.144205.3155@otago.ac.nz> guilford@otago.ac.nz writes:
>
>1. "Montreal to contend, NY to struggle."  But NY's only 2 games behind
>Montreal there.  I say only one of these can be right anyway.

NY can both be struggling and contending.  They were after all the
pre-season favorites of many media personalities.  So fourth place
could be considered struggling.

>3. As someone who kind of liked -- maybe still does -- the Mets chances,
>I think it looks like they've just had more bad breaks than Pit or Mon
>or Stl.

St. Louis hasn't had bad breaks?  They've had *how* many players hit
the DL this year????  They still have the longest DL in the league.
Unless that honor goes to Philadelphia.

>Saberhagen might've been healthy.  Hojo might've been Hojo.

A couple bad breaks are to be expected.

>The catchers might've been good.

Huh???  O'Brien has been around for *ages* and has *never* hit.
And it was fairly obvious that Hundley wouldn't hit.

Lets compare the OPS of the Mets players with 100 or more PA with
Bill James' predictions for fun:
		Actual		Predicted		Diff
Murray		.741		.786 (for LA)		-.045
Bonilla		.806		.832 (for 3 Rivers)	-.026
Johnson		.683		.792			-.109 (Amit???)
Magadan		.748		.783			-.035
Schofield	.576		.621 (for Anaheim)	-.045
Randolph	.658		.670 (for Milwaukee)	-.012
Hundley		.568		.649			-.081
Boston		.719		.737			-.018
Pecota		.574		.684			-.110
Coleman		.816		.669			+.147
Walker		.681		.648			+.033
O'Brien		.635		.710			-.075

Hm.  It is pretty miserable!  Given the park factors, the predictions
for Murray, Bonilla, Schofield, and Randolph aren't bad.  But HoJo is
even worse than BJ predicted (and people thought that was a
pessimistic estimate!).  And while it was fairly clear that Hundley,
O'Brien, and Pecota were not offensive forces, they weren't supposed
to be *this* bad.

>No one on NY is having a Van Slyke year or a 
>Tewksbury year or a relative-of-the-Alous year.  

Nobody on the offense at least.  But how about the pitching?
Cone's ERA is a full 100 points lower than what *I* expected.
Franco has been untouchable.  (Though he is now on the DL.)
Whitehurst wasn't supposed to be this good.
Fernandez wasn't supposed to be this healthy.  :-)
Schourek has also pitched excellently.

The pitching has been rather a lot better than I expected, even with
Saberhagen's problems.  You kind of expect one of Fernandez and
Saberhagen to be injured at any given time...

>5. In general I think the insights that Montreal had some good young
>players and the Cubs would be the Cubs were so obvious as to not be.  The
>insight that the Mets would be off is, however, turning out to be one,
>I must admit.

I guess even *I* expected the Mets to be a little better.  Figured
them as a .500 or .550 ballclub.  Guess the competition is a bit
tougher in the NL this year.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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From: starg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (tony.a.stargel)
Subject: Re: NL Stats for 7/20 
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:34:25 GMT

In article <rv8ffeo@Unify.Com> hearth@Unify.com (Don Hearth) writes:
>
>
>SAN DIEGO PADRES
>
>BATTERS        BA   SLG   OBP   G  AB   R   H  TB 2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS  E
>HOWARD,T     .333  .333  .333   5   3   1   1   1  0  0  0   0   0   0  0  0  0
>GWYNN,T      .326  .441  .389  87 347  57 113 153 16  3  6  33  38   9  3  5  4
>MCGRIFF,F    .320  .587  .429  86 300  45  96 176 16  2 20  60  58  55  6  4  8
>FERNANDEZ,T  .287  .370  .350  90 362  55 104 134 18  3  2  26  32  38 14 13  9


Just to let everybody know, Sheffield is missing in the NL stats
for San Diego.

Tony Stargel

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From: 6669030@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Twins/Bo-Sox Game-8.......7/23/92 evening game
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:30:49 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <19314@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan
>>Game-9 which promised some good pitching battle between the
>>Rocket and Erickson was washed out today and a double header
>>(games 8 & 9) will be held tomorrow.
>>
>>With great dissappointment, I switched the TV off.......
>>
>I was settling down with my wife for a nice evening of pizza and Twins.
>I've got other things I've got to do tonight, so I won't be able to
>watch.
>
>You realize that there's only one way to stop rainouts from happening....
>
>David Thornley
>"Fenway must be domed" - Cato the Elder

Dome 'em all !!!!!!!!

Wrigleydome
Tigerdome
Orioles Park at Camden Domes
Comiskeydome
Jack Murphy Dome
Candlestick Dome  (actually not a bad idea)

-------------

Billy K. "A baseball purist's nemesis"

  -Long live the dh, astroturf, domed stadiums, and anything else that
        bugs Costas and the rest of you pin-headed purists.  I can only
        that they legalize the aluminum bat!!!!!

   -Hey you purists....stick it up yer Elias!!!!!!!!

(just having fun at my own expense...)
From: cs.ucsd.edu!demers@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Wed, Jul 22, 1992
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:01:00 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego
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In article <3531@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) 
writes:
>In article <14k0maINNaf2@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu 
(Joseph Hernandez) writes:

>>         MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL STANDINGS FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 22, 1992

>>NATIONAL EAST
>>Pittsburgh Pirates    
>>Montreal Expos        
>>New York Mets         
>>St. Louis Cardinals   
>>Chicago Cubs          
>>Philadelphia Phillies 

>On Baseball Tonight a couple of days ago, John Saunders annoyed me no end by
>saying "At the beginning of the season, *nobody* could have expected the
>Montreal Expos to be doing this well, and *nobody* could have expected the
>New York Mets to be below .500 at this point in the season, not to mention
>the Chicago Cubs failing to get any offense.", or words to that effect.

>I must be nobody.  Ditto for Gary and Dave Thornley and about 5 other 
regular
>netsters who picked Montreal to contend, NY to struggle, and Chicago to
>flounder.

*grin*

my preseason picks, as sent to Gary (whatever his name is this week) 
Huckabay:

NL West  East
 Cincinnati Montreal
 San Diego Pittsburgh
 Atlanta  New York
 Dodgers  Chicago
 Houston  Philadelphia
 San Francisco St Louis

OK, so I didn't think the Cards pitching was going to be this
good, and Hill for Galarraga pi**ed me off, but they are
sinking... 

And I overreached on San Diego (maybe) and the Expos (maybe)?
and clearly underestimated the Braves, but I figured that 
the right things to do for them to win weren't going to 
happen (but Nixon/Sanders are a surprise).

The AL were worse... Cleveland fifth for one, Seattle third...

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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:12:06 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Jul24.220155.17783@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
>In <2178180@overmind.citadel> uiatma.atmos.uiuc.e!hbrooks@overmind.mind.org writes:

>>Are you saying it's impossible to tell whether Fred McGriff or Andres 
>>Galarraga is a better player?  Barry Bonds or Luis Salazar?  

>objectively yes it is impossible.  

You and John Stuart Mill. Oh, wrong philosopher.  But you
kant objectively differentiate anyway... 



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From: dswartz@redondo.sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mo Vaughn - All Star 1st Baseman
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:28:22 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering


Mo Vaughn has never impressed me at first base, but even for
his iron glove, tonight was a horror show.  He made two errors
(should have been five, but he escaped two because of rules
technicalities).  First Hesketh picks off Wally Joyner, who
was out by a mile, but Mo drops the ball, so Wally gets credit
for a stolen base.  Bwa ha ha!  Later in the inning, a ground
ball is hit to Boggs, who initiates the 5-4-3 double play.
Only problem is, Vaughn drops the relay from Reed and another
run scores.  Since you can't assume a DP, he isn't charged with
any error.  That doesn't sound right to me.  I've seen the rule
applied when one of the other fielders bobbles the ball so that
only one runner can be retired, but in this case, the 1st out
had already been made and the ball was to Vaughn in plenty of
time.   If it isn't an error, it should be.  Change the rule
if need be.  In the horror show inning, the Royals scored 6
unearned runs due to Mo.  There was another possible double
play in that inning, but Mo slipped and could only get the
man at first, another run scoring.  Hesketh must feel snakebit.

-- 

Dan S.
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