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From: kreuille@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kristina marie reuille)
Subject: Re: Lyrics request -- "Margaritaville"
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:46:52 GMT

In article <77888@ut-emx.uucp> pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee) writes:
>
>
>	I hate admitting this, esp. considering how much I've loved
>	hearing this song over the years, but I just can't seem to
>	make out one line of the lyrics.
>
>		Strummin' my six string
>		On my front porch swing
>		????? (next line?) ????

Could be "smell those shrimp just beginin to boil" but im not sure that that is the right verse....

kristi
>		Wastin' away again in Margaritaville...
>
>	Anyone feel like helping me out here? :-)
>
>- Vince
>
>-- 
>                Vince Rhee | But there's booze in the blender
>  pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | And soon it will render
>         Department of ECE | That frozen concoction that helps me hang on...
>       University of Texas |                                 - Jimmy Buffett


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From: RCPSBRL@HDETUD2.TUDELFT.NL (Hans van der Laan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: I spy Celia
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:36:00 GMT
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Henry Purcell wrote a duet "I spy Celia". I don't know
anything on the backgrounds, so I have a few questions.
1) Who is Celia? Just a name, or is she a mythological
   character?
2) Who are the two singers? They sing parts that look
   the same but are different in details.
3) What is going on here?
 
Hans van der Laan     (VanderLaan@RC.TUDelft.NL)
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From: meyer@uuisis.isis.org (Katherine Meyer)
Subject: re: FAX # for Breitkopf...
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 11:34:29 GMT

I got the Information.  Thanks.  Katherine
Meyer@UUISIS.ISISIS.ORG
From: jrussell@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU (john russell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE: 415 joint for Aulos Baroque flute
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:44:49 GMT
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>         I recently started taking some baroque flute lessions and the
> majority of the group is to play at a=415.  I have an Aulos Grenser Matted
> black finish (plastic) baroque flute that is in a=440.  I was woundering if
> anyone out in net land knows of a joint for this baroque flute that can
> make it play at a=415 or any sort of way to make it able to play at a=415
> and still beable to play it at a=440.  Someone said that soneone makes a
> joint for it at 415.  Others say that someone has to re bore the
> instrument.  I'm currious to hear what anyone has to sayabout this.  Any
> help is appreciated via usenet news or E-mail (no preference).
>
> Will
> Young
 
The publication _Early_Music_ has a lot of listings for manufacturers
of baroque instruments and whatnot. If your flute disassembles into
three pieces, there should be no problem with getting a different
joint.
 
jr
From: MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester)
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Subject: Spanish/Colonial Curtals
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:45:32 GMT
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I am passing on the request of a friend of a friend, who, with his wife, is
writing a book on curtals.  They are looking for any information on the use of
curtals in those parts of the US that at one time were part of the Spanish
Empire, ie, the southwest, Louisiana, Florida, California, etc.  (The Spanish
for curtal is apparently "bajon" or "baxon" with accents I can't reproduce on
this keyboard.)  I suspect they would be happiest with references to written
material, but anecdotal stuff would probably be welcome, too.  You can respond
to me privately or to the list, as you prefer, and I will send it on.  I will
also pass on their virtual thanks for your assistance!
 
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From: mvalinis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael J Valinis)
Subject: Studio der Fruhen Musik
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:22:52 GMT

If the following info duplicates any that has already been posted, please 
pardon me -- I flipped through and deleted a lot of the earlier postings.  The 
Musical Heritage Society released a 4 cassette set entitled Music of the Middle
Ages : Troubadours, Trouveres, Minnesingers, and Minstrels.  The set number is 
MHC 249442T; I don't know if it is also available on CD.  Besides The Studio 
der Fruhen Musik, conducted by Thomas Binkley, the performers also include 
members of the Walther von der Vogelweide Chamber Choirs, directed by Othmar 
Costa.  I've had this set for a few years now, so I don't know if is still 
available....
-- 
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From: bgarfink@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (beth diane garfinkel)
Subject: Re: I spy Celia
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:50:16 GMT

In <"92-08-27-15:36:37.84*RCPSBRL"@HDETUD2.TUDELFT.NL> RCPSBRL@HDETUD2.TUDELFT.NL (Hans van der Laan) writes:

>Henry Purcell wrote a duet "I spy Celia". I don't know
>anything on the backgrounds, so I have a few questions.
>1) Who is Celia? Just a name, or is she a mythological
>   character?

It's just one of a bunch of generic names for female characters in
song. 

>2) Who are the two singers? They sing parts that look
>   the same but are different in details.

As in most 17th-century duets outside of dramatic music, both singers
represent the same person.

>3) What is going on here?
> 
What do YOU think is going on? ;)

By the way, there is a very nice recording of this song among others on
the Hilliard Ensemble recording, "The Merry Fellows."  I have it on LP;
I don't know if it's available now or who publishes it, alas.

								Beth
-- 
"Hold stick near center of its length.  Moisten pointed end in mouth.
Insert in tooth space, blunt end next to gum. Use gentle in-out motion."
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From: wills@ms.uky.edu (Will Young)
Subject: 415 joint for Aulos Baroque flute
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:42:29 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hello,

	I recently started taking some baroque flute lessions and the
majority of the group is to play at a=415.  I have an Aulos Grenser Matted
black finish (plastic) baroque flute that is in a=440.  I was woundering if
anyone out in net land knows of a joint for this baroque flute that can
make it play at a=415 or any sort of way to make it able to play at a=415
and still beable to play it at a=440.  Someone said that soneone makes a
joint for it at 415.  Others say that someone has to re bore the
instrument.  I'm currious to hear what anyone has to sayabout this.  Any
help is appreciated via usenet news or E-mail (no preference).


Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,

Will
Young

-- 
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wills@mik.uky.edu    | The now ever willing baroque flute, boehm flute and
wsyoun00@ukpr.uky.edu| Recorder Player and mad kayaker extrodinare!
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From: mvalinis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael J Valinis)
Subject: 415/440 flute
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:50:55 GMT

Try contacting:

The Early Music Shop of New England
59-65 Boylston Street
Brookline, MA 02146
ph: (617) 277-8690

If they can't help you, they should be able to point you in the direction of 
someone who can.  Good luck!
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From: ams@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: Re: Singing Early Music
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:26:19 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <kiran.715081102@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
> jane@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Jane Lean) writes:
>>Do you mean Roy Goodman in the 1964(?) recording.  I have that, and love it.
>>There is another KCC recording of the Allegri with another boy soprano... I've
>>not heard it (and can't remember the name of the soloist).
> 
> Is this the same Roy Goodman who is now with the Parley of Instruments
> and the Hanover Band?
> 
Violinist chappie. That's the one. I don't think his top C's are quite what they
were once, but he's definitely quite a useful violin player.


>>The Allegri is definitely something I prefer with a boy soprano rather than
>>a female soloist?  Anyone agree?  (Mind you, the Tallis Scholars recording
>>_is_ fantastic!).
> 
> There was a very nice recording of the Allegri on EMI Reflexe "Music
> of the Sistene Chapel" with (I think) Andrew Parrot & the Taverner
> Choir.  If it's still in print, it is well worth hearing.

It's certainly a very interesting performance, and quite fun in places. I
played it to a few friends after performing the piece (in a more traditional
style) earlier this term; their reactions were somewhat mixed. My own opinion
is that the devotional quality of the work gets a bit lost in the scramble for
historical reconstruction (not to mention the vocal pyrotechnics). But it has
value as a curiosity.


Michael.
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From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Singing Early Music
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:38:22 GMT

jane@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Jane Lean) writes:
>Do you mean Roy Goodman in the 1964(?) recording.  I have that, and love it.
>There is another KCC recording of the Allegri with another boy soprano... I've
>not heard it (and can't remember the name of the soloist).

Is this the same Roy Goodman who is now with the Parley of Instruments
and the Hanover Band?

>The Allegri is definitely something I prefer with a boy soprano rather than
>a female soloist?  Anyone agree?  (Mind you, the Tallis Scholars recording
>_is_ fantastic!).

There was a very nice recording of the Allegri on EMI Reflexe "Music
of the Sistene Chapel" with (I think) Andrew Parrot & the Taverner
Choir.  If it's still in print, it is well worth hearing.
-- 
Kiran Wagle     <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>     (812) 335-0420
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From: bgarfink@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (beth diane garfinkel)
Subject: Re: Luthiers, Eastern U.S.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:48:14 GMT

In <Bu0HJ2.85C@apollo.hp.com> tracy@apollo.HP.COM (Tracy Hoover) writes:

>You could try Joel van Lennep, who lives in New Hampshire someplace.  I'm
>not really sure what his status as an instrument make is.  Maybe someone
>else on this list does?

Joel van Lennep makes quite nice instruments.  The problem with him is
that he is very SLOW about it.  Here at IU we had a virginal that he
built that needed some work, so we sent it back to him; granted, it's a
keyboard instrument instead of a lute, but that was a year and a half
ago, and he STILL has it (and we are rather frustrated with this state
of affairs).

If you're willing to consider someone away from the east coast, there is
a man in Utah named Brad Holt who builds nice instruments for reasonable
prices.  I don't have his address on me, but I could probably dig it up
somewhere or other.
							Beth 
-- 
"Hold stick near center of its length.  Moisten pointed end in mouth.
Insert in tooth space, blunt end next to gum. Use gentle in-out motion."
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From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Subject: Re: madrigal (?) source
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:03:55 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.170545.549@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu>, Robert Braham suggests
that:

|> >Tant que je vive, mon cueur ne changera
|> >Pour nulle vivante, tant soit elle bonne ou saige
|> >Forte et puissante, riche de haulte lignaige
|> >Mon chois est fait, aultre ne se fera.
|> >

is

|> Sermisy?  (Tant que vivray?)--

Sorry, I can't help with the above, but "Tant que vivray" has different meter
and words.

Rich



   "Please keep in mind that the ultimate goal [of hi-fi] is the
   reproduction of art, and that the invocation of science, while a neat
   parlour trick, is often unnecessary, flawed, and unreasonable."
   --  name mercifully withheld...                            rsd@sei.cmu.edu
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From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Studio der Fruhen Musik
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:49:17 GMT

mvalinis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael J Valinis) writes:

>Musical Heritage Society released a 4 cassette set entitled Music of
>the Middle Ages : Troubadours, Trouveres, Minnesingers, and Minstrels.
>The set number is MHC 249442T; [...] Besides The Studio   
>der Fruhen Musik, conducted by Thomas Binkley, the performers also include 
>members of the Walther von der Vogelweide Chamber Choirs, directed by Othmar 
>Costa. 

This is a wonderful set, but be warned if you purchase it that you are
geting only seven sides (of the original eight) of Tom Binkley's
group, and one side (of two) of Othmar Costa's group.  IMO the Costa
is mediocre,  and I am looking for the original Telefunken LP release of
Minnesanger.  (It is the third disk, I think, that has the missing
sides.  I wish record companies didn't do this.)

The first two disks, Troubaours and Trouveres, were on Teldec CD
8.35519, which I think is now out of print.

Lovely stuff, well worth tracking down, as are all of the ensemble's
recordings. 



-- 
Kiran Wagle     <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>     (812) 335-0420
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: 11th-13th century music
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:08:16 GMT
Organization: Organization???

Sorry if this is a faq; I've been following this group intemittently for 
a couple of years, but since it's near the bottom of my .newsrc ....
 
I'd like to develop a fairly systematic collection of CDs of music
from the 11th through 13th centuries.  I am interested in both 
secular and sacred music (though in that order) from both Western 
and Eastern Europe, and from the Near East and North Africa, during
this period.  (I know that there are few, if any, survivals that 
fit some of these categories; but I suspect there are several 
readers of this list who are more knowledgable about that than I.)
 
If people want to e-mail me their, say, "Top ten of the 11th - 13th 
centuries" I'll post a summary.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Carl Alexander
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
From: rsdean@CRDEC8.APGEA.ARMY.MIL (Robert S. Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE:  Luthiers, Eastern U.S.
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:34:09 GMT
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In your letter dated Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:18:54 -0400, you wrote:
>
> I don't know if this fellow is still active,
> but he use to make fine instruments
 
> James Cox, Luthier, Ltd.
> Stringed Instruments for Early Music
> 429 Fawcett Street
> Baltimore, MD 21211
> (301) 235-0344
>
> Hope this helps.  Good luck.
 
Regrettably, Mr. Cox (who built my viol) is not active at the moment.  At last
report he was still doing occasioanl instrument repar work out of a Baltimore
shop called Farrell's, but not much in new construction.
 
Rob Dean
From: B5R@NIHCU.BITNET
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Subject: Luthiers, Eastern U.S.
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:03:08 GMT
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  Just joined the list and, after reviewing numerous 'logs' of
past postings, thought maybe the following question wouldn't be
too out of order.
 
  Does anyone have information on East-coast luthiers involved in
making lutes and/or guitars of fine repute? I say East-coast since
I'd prefer a personal visit and my resourses are *not* unlimited!
 
  Any info appreciated; hopefully I will be able to reciprocate in
some way (although my specialty is the modern guitar and its
literature; we need a guitar list!).
 
                              BITNET:  B5R@NIHCU
        (and, since someone inevitably asks, I am *not* with NIH,
         I just use their mainframe)
From: tracy@apollo.HP.COM (Tracy Hoover)
Newsgroups: rec.music.early
Subject: RE:  Luthiers, Eastern U.S.
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:52:14 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

You could try Joel van Lennep, who lives in New Hampshire someplace.  I'm
not really sure what his status as an instrument make is.  Maybe someone
else on this list does?
-- 
========
Being called a poetess brings out the terroristress in me. --Audre Lorde
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From: jwalpe@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (Court Walpe)
Subject: Re: I spy Celia
Reply-To: jwalpe@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (Court Walpe)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:49:28 GMT

I am not familiar with the piece at all, so I am probably way off here, but does the name "Celia" have any reference to Saint Cecilia, the patron saint of musicians?  Just a thought.

                                           Court

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From: gonter@WU-WIEN.AC.AT (Gerhard Gonter)
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Subject: AEARN moving hosts
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From: jrussell@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU (john russell)
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Subject: RE: Luthiers, Eastern U.S.
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>
>   Just joined the list and, after reviewing numerous 'logs' of
> past postings, thought maybe the following question wouldn't be
> too out of order.
>
>   Does anyone have information on East-coast luthiers involved in
> making lutes and/or guitars of fine repute? I say East-coast since
> I'd prefer a personal visit and my resourses are *not* unlimited!
>
>   Any info appreciated; hopefully I will be able to reciprocate in
> some way (although my specialty is the modern guitar and its
> literature; we need a guitar list!).
>
>                               BITNET:  B5R@NIHCU
>         (and, since someone inevitably asks, I am *not* with NIH,
>          I just use their mainframe)
 
Argh. There is a guy who usually shows up at the PA Renaissance
Festival in Mt. Hope (at the vineyards) and I have completely
forgotten his name. The festival usually continues up to Columbus
Day.
 
jr
 
(boy...some help _I_ am... :-) )
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From: meyer@uuisis.isis.org (Katherine Meyer)
Subject: *NEW* Fax # for Breitkopf und Haertel, WIESBADEN needed
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 00:23:00 GMT


Hi.

Does any one have the *CURRENT* fax number for Breitkopf und Haertel in
   *WIESBADEN*??

I have a fax number for them, 611-4903-59 but it does not seem
to be valid anymore (I get the German Address).  I am prefixing the fax #
with the proper dialing codes.  I spoke to the German Operator and they have
a new Phone number but their new fax number is not listed with them.  The
fax number that I am trying to use is in published books up to 1992 so they
must have changed the number pretty recently.

So if anyone has the new fax number I really need it...

Please e-mail to me directly.

Thanks, for your help

Katherine

MEYER@UUISIS.ISIS.ORG
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Subject: RE:  Luthiers, Eastern U.S.
From: Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Date: 04 Sep 1992 00:18:44 -0400
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Joel van Lennep currently lives and works in West Rindge, New Hampshire.
I know that he makes lutes, but I am not sure about guitars.
 
Here is the needed info:
 
    Joel van Lennep
    Blakeville Road
    West Rindge, N. H. 03461
    (603)-899-5036
 
--- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
From: TUK@IAEA1.BITNET (Peter Tuff)
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Subject: Breitkopf und Haertel's New Fax Number
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:28:00 GMT
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OK, Katherine -- here it is:   611-45008-59
(Clue:  As you can see, the fax's extension (durchwahl) hasn't changed -
only the main number into the store....)
 
Hope this works.
 
Peter Tuff
IAEA, Vienna
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