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From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: A SERIOUS new newsgroup suggestion...
Date: 3 Oct 92 11:22:44 GMT
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

In article <1992Oct2.045038.12669@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <38855@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator) writes:
>>>rec.arts.animation  (Charter includes all, but convention is western)
>>>rec.arts.animation.anime (Charter and convention is anime)
>>>Would vote for:
>>>rec.arts.animation.western (Charter and convention is western)
>>>rec.arts.animation.anime (Charter and convention is anime)

>Of course, we would immediately get requests for rec.arts.books.comics....

For the record, you've got your attributions mixed up.

I would *not* vote for any of the above (except the first  :-).
I explained why in an earlier post, but it's mostly based on group history.

I would vote for rec.arts.japan.anime and rec.arts.japan.manga.

Agitator
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Subject: Streamline delays
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 00:11:02 GMT



Streamline publicity type person Fred Patten has said that Streamline is
working getting all their titles done, (ie have bitten off more than they can
chew in terms of production schedule)

so the previously scheduled 
3x3 Eyes and Robotech tapes would be coming out in November instead of
October.  No mention was made about the Affiar of Nolandia.

Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
Conversation related to me by friend type person, it was not my conversation
with Mr PAtten.
From: as413@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric William Paslick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: MS Gundam Film #1
Date: 29 Sep 1992 04:25:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: as413@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric William Paslick)
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In a previous article, tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim) says:

>Huh? Most Gundam fans/otakus I know LOVE GP03 and designs from
>Gundam Sentinel. 
>

Most Gundam fans I know HATE the designs from Gundam Sentinals, although
they do love the GP03S.  The Gundam Sentinals are grossly overdone, and
look like they could barely move.  In their own way, they appear almost
as inarticulate as the original Gundam designs.

					Eric
From: jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Gundam 0083
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:22:19 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <38975@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim) writes:

>>I'm not sure anyone but Jion Daikun and Char ever truely believed in
>>that goal.

>Most Jion soldiers did (according to novels and EBs), although that
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>can't be said for people like Giren Zabi, Killing, etc. :(

History is almost always distorted.  I am sure that can be applied to
fictional history as well.    :-)
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:17:48 EDT
From: <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Subtitling Groups

Hunh. Has anyone ever tried to start a comprehensive list of the Fan Subtitling
Groups and thier output? Occasionally Artic Animation and the Ranma Project
put out lists of available and discontinued work, but there are scads of medium
size groups like Operation X, obscure ones like Technodigitronic(somethingoroth
er)[bah, the ones that claim to be a division of Nocturnal Aviation], and
completely unattributed subs. Maybe it could be a FAQ? Dunno, Steve Pearl seems
a little swamped, maybe just on a ftp site or two.

Before you say it, yes, I'm aware that some groups would like to *not* be too
conspicuous, on the off chance that someone starts prosecuting International
copyright laws. I don't know, but there is obviously a lot of overlap from one
show to the next, and it would cut down on redundant work by new fansubbers.

Ne?

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: psalp@acad2.alaska.edu (Albert L. Perrien II)
Subject: Stupid Clucomp Commands
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:10:55 GMT

[SC]
:)
Taking a cue from the other list, a friend and I kludged together a rather 
simple terminal emulation of a HDS 3100 for a Mac Quintra 9000000. It's not 
that good tho... When we ran Kup through it, he came out in 25,600,000 scale 
vga...

Since we were rather bored, we patched together a list of files to be cluless'
ed that should make things rather interesting no matter where you are and
put them in a batch file for VMS...
 
type disaster.com

@cc [anime.outlanders]*yoma*.*;*
@cc [anime.3x3]pai*triclops*.*scripts*;* pai*triclops*.*gif*;*
@cc [anime.newstuff]vpmiyu*.*script*;*
@cc [anime.Dominion]buaku*.*gif*;* buaku*.*scripts*;*
@cc [anime.fanfic.dp]nagshrth.*;*
@cc [anime.appleseed]*gaia*.*;* -i

We think that this covers all the basics, but we'd me interested if anyone else
has any ideas...

	Technical Question: would nonliving objects such as demons need to be 
compiled with or without the -i flag? 

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From: pearl@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: New Newsgroups
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:38:09 GMT
Organization: the Worlds Welfare Work Association, Rutgers Anime division

In article <38883@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> egamboa@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Emmanuel Gamboa) writes:

> seawasp@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu writes:
> 
> |         I have no trouble reading this, especially if I hit that
> | lovely little "k" button every time a non-interesting subject 
> | comes up.
> 
> The problem is, the "k" command doesn't work with fan fic, which 
> usually have chapter numbers in the Subject: line.  Maybe the 
> fan fic authors can just put the chapter numbers somewhere at the
> beginning of each post.  That way, fan fic readers can identify
> the chapter, while non-ff readers can just hit "k" and skip over
> all the posts.
> 
> Noel Gamboa (egamboa@ucsd.edu)

Well, over on rec.games.video, we include the system name in brackets
like [tg16] for the turbografx 16.  

Perhaps we can do the same here:

subject: [fanfic] The Dirty Pair and Me Chapter 5

If people think this is a good idea, I can add it to the posting
guideline section of the FAQ.  (Does anyone actually read the FAQ)

Steve
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From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Predecrement David)
Subject: Re: Feeling insulted
Organization: Tomobiki-cho
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:13:05 GMT

chadwick@world.std.com (Chadwick Ngan) writes:
>
>	Have you ever been insulted by the way people watch anime?
>[...]I felt an unknown anger rising inside me, not because my efforts at
>providing an explanation was interrupted over and again, but rather on behalf
>of the artists.  That such a good piece of work was mistreated in this way
>infuriates me to no end.  While they were laughing at the crying Al and making
>snide remarks I was tempted to deny access of my tapes in the future.
>	Obviously my roomate and his friend just wanted to see some mindless
>actions.  They are not interested in the story, nor the reality of war it was
>trying to reflect.  While I disagree with their tastes I have nothing against
>that, normally.  But in the process they twisted 0080 into the very thing it
>was trying to protest against, that I felt is an affront.
>	After all it is a very rude way to treat someone's creation.

I can sympathize with that feeling completely.

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From: daemon@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Mr Background)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: r.a.a's Official Mascot
 Original sender was "(Doug Cha)"
 <jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!a2i!flex!dcha@rutgers.edu>
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:02:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech (VPI & SU)


 >> What about having Ten from URUSEI YATSURA as a mascot for the newsgroup?
 >> 1) He's cute.
 >> 2) He's anime-related.
 >> 3) He can flame like nobody's business.  :-/
 >>
 >> How about it?

 > Since the majority of users on r.a.a. are guys (1/2 are Hentai-sukebe
 > guys)
 > maybe we should have a more appropriate (female) mascot.

Why not please the best of both worlds: Ranma!  Just kidding :)

My vote goes for -> yea, either of the Puma sisters sounds more like it :)

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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Gundam 0083
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:31:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <2ACE2042.1706@news.service.uci.edu> dmou@orion.oac.uci.edu (David Mou) writes:
>
>My friend (yeah, that Rick guy) went to Japan to check out the 0083 movie, and
>he brought back some program books with him.  The book has the time-line from
>1990AD - to U.C. 0123 (if some San Diegan is willing to translate, it could
>save you some trouble tracking down that Gundam fanzine. :)  According to this
>timeline, Kou Uraki manages to do something few other MS poilets can, survive.
>The guy gets court-martialed and sentenced for a year, but 3 months later 
>(and for the sake of Gundam continuity) all the relevant records gets erased.
>.... and then it's a happy happy joy joy ending where Kou and Nina head off
>to Jupiter and starts a pre-school (okay, j/k).  Appears Sunrise will try to
>squeeze in another TV series between U.C. 0084/3/10 and 0087/3/02, so Kou may
>have a chance to die, afterall.
>
>p.s. When did Gato die?  Let's see.... U.C. 0083/11/13 01:19.  Now go impress
>someone else in the bar.

Dave, you should have put a spoiler warning! :) Oh well, I've already
got spoiled a while ago. :( 

So Dave, how can I get that program book from Rick? :) I gotta
translate it and put it on our fanzine UC Herald. :)


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From: vray@cs2.cs.oki.co.jp (Miho NISHIDA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Akira and American Producer (Director?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:06:22 GMT
Return-Path: <vray@cs2.cs.oki.co.jp>
To: anime-l@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU


Yesterday on EX tv (a late night showbiz show) they had interview with
an American director who did Die Hard and Lethal Weapon3.  When asked
if he watched any japanese films and if he did, which ones did he like,
he answered yes, and Akira.

Bravo, you would say, perhaps, but unfortunately, he calls it "cartoon".
Big minus.  Regardless, it seems anime is making itself known.

Miho aka Griff

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From: vvallopp@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Vinod V Valloppillil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Looking for the TV show _StarBlazers_
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:00:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	I'm looking for the TV show StarBlazers.  It was on the air
about 10 years ago and I used to be addicted to it when I was a kid.
	It's about a Starship whose mission is to find another 
inhabitable planet in order to save the Human race from over-population
and resource-depletion on Planet Earth.  The lead character was named
Dereck and other characters included an incredible captain (he was
like an old, scruffy, and bearded version of Captain Picard of STTNG),
Dereck's girlfriend, Nova, Dereck's brother, and many other people
on this massive ship.  Occasionally, the ship would have to do battle
with a particular alien race which I don't quite remember.  Additionally,
in one episode, the Captain dies and I think Dereck is given command.
	The show is animated using Japanese animation style and if
I remember correctly, it was probably produced there as well.
	I've always had bits and pieces of the show in my mind (such as
part of the title song, little bits of dialog, some images) and 
recently I found out that a couple of my friends here at college also
watched the show and loved it. We put together all of our memories
to get the above series description.
	I'd be very greatful if anyone could point me in a direction
so that I could find maybe a video tape of an episode so I could see
it again.  I'm dying to see another episode since so much of the
show has come back to me.  Any other information would be greatly
appreciated.  If anyone else remembers the show, I'd love to hear
from you and if you email me I'll send whatever I find out to you.
	
Please respond via email:  vvallopp@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

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From: smah@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Steve Mah)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Touch/Madara stuff for sale
Keywords: LD/poster
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:44:49 GMT


Ok, my recent trip back to the Bay Area has left my wallet a little
on the empty side, so if anyone's interested, I have the first
"Touch" movie on LD for sale; the yen price is Y9249 which would
mean about $92 US at most US stores (if they carried it) but I'm
asking $80 for it.  But go ahead and make offers anyway- I'll think
about 'em.  The disc has only been played maybe a couple of times,
is letterboxed, 2-sided, and is in Dolby Surround.  You would be
covering the postage, and should tell me if you want it sent UPS or
US 1st class or whatever 8-)  Also, thanks to Hitoshi, a script is
availible which I can send if you cannot find it at any FTP's.

I also have a Madara poster I'd like to sell for $6 + postage if
anyone's interested.  E-mail if interested.

Please e-mail if you have any questions...

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From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Predecrement David)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: A SERIOUS new newsgroup suggestion...
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:56:51 GMT
Organization: Tomobiki-cho

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>- Someone here will get on his/her high horse and claim that anime is much
>  superior to Western cartoons, and should not be placed "under it".  Of
>  course, this claim does not make ANY sense if you take five minutes
>  to look at the way newsgroup names are supposed to work, but they'll stick
>  to it anyway.

Egads, Conty.  That is a little provoking.  You're better than that.
There *are* unreasonable people on both sides of the argument, but please
don't pick one the ones in this group.  The consensus is not that anime
is *superior* but that it is unique.  You *know* that, Enrique.

Hell, I would vote for soc.culture.japan.pop.animation.translations as well as
rec.arts.animation.[anime|japan].translations.  

Everyone knows that there's supposed to be a logical ordering of the group
names from the general to the specific, as well as from the common to the
obscure. (So you won't feel the need to reiterate it.)

However, practiced convention makes the placing of the anime group within
the animation group unintuitive to some people.  (Not all.)  The anime group
is more popular. (Not a logical argument, a conventional argument.  And worth
noting on that point alone.)  And anime is considered unique from western 
animation.  (Again, convention.  Western animation is discussed in 
r.a.animation, and most would look for it's peer on the same tier.)

Do you understand the argument?  It's not a matter of boastfulness.

I bet most who would balk at:

rec.arts.animation  (Charter includes all, but convention is western)
rec.arts.animation.anime (Charter and convention is anime)

Would vote for:

rec.arts.animation.western (Charter and convention is western)
rec.arts.animation.anime (Charter and convention is anime)

Before you follow up, Enrique.  Remember the aim of my post was to try to
explain a feeling here that I think you misinterpreted.  I am *not*
defending it.  I would vote for rec.arts.entertainment.pop.japan.animation
if it would bring me and my friends with the same interests together...

--David
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: chadwick@world.std.com (Chadwick Ngan)
Subject: Re: Feeling insulted
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:38:18 GMT


In atticle <19920ct3.200539.9387@cs.rochester.edu> steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:
>I'm not sure what his
>friends were doing was SO bad.  so they skip
>the dialogue.  Big deal


	What a worthless comment!  I've never seen such tasteless peson
before!

*	*	*	*	*	*	*	*	*	*

	Here, I've just taken Gavin's word totally out of context, completely
twisted his meaning (and intent), and gave him a little flame.  That was
exactly what my friends did to 0080 when they skipped all the dialogues and
watched the fighting scenes only.
	They turned a reflection of war's reality into a propaganda of its
glory.  And when they made their judgements on the serier without an attempt
to understand it, they were insulting someone's creation.
	(I'm sorry for what I've just doen to Gavin.  But I think it is best
if I provide an example.  I hope you don't mind too much.  I also hope that
you can understand my feelings now.  To be fair, I've included your original
article below.)


In article <1992Oct3.200539.9387@cs.rochester.edu> steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:
>Although I sympathize with the original poster, I'm not sure what his
>friends were doing was SO bad.  They don't know any Japanese, so they skip
>the dialogue.  Big deal--it wouldn't mean all that much to them anyway.
>
>  Personally, I think it's kind of silly to watch a movie that you
>have no idea what's going on in, but different strokes and all that.

	The thing is, they skipped the dialogue while I was attempting to
provide a translation.  Yes, it wouldn't mean all that much to them, because
they choose so.  They have no interest in learning the story.  All they were
looking for was mindless fighting, because it's Gundam.


					Chadwick
					Sheeta "the Elf"
From: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Animag
Date: 29 Sep 1992 04:29:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone)
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In a previous article, rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Everett Brunskill) says:

>Hey people,
>    I saw a few mentions of recent Animag articles that I know I have
>not seen, and I have a subscrtiption.  I realise Pacific Rim is a little
>slow when doing the subscription mailing (and I am on the east coast),
>but looking at the issues that have been in my local store it seems that
>at least two issues might have passed me by.  No, my subscription has
>not expired.  I think my last issue was "Yotoden" with the guy's head on
>the front cover, and it had the second article about Votoms (I think)
>and was in their old issue-numbering system.  It's the issue after
>Macross, Orguss, and Megazone 23 (I think).
>
>Thanks
>Rob Brunskill
>
Good Question!  I haven't even gotten the one with BotP review! (whichever
that one was)

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