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From: gabe@pfbbs.uucp (Gabe Helou)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: Look, Ma!  We're subliminals!
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 23:43:04 CDT
Reply-To: gabe@angus.mi.org
Organization: The Permanent Floating BBS

ifversen@fnalo.fnal.gov (King Under the Mountain) writes:

> Howdy!
>    Wow!  A newsgroup for Jittlovian Animation!  (What'll they think of next..

And all sorts of people read it, too.  B-)

>                  ...  Mary Lynn was single-framing through the movie one day,
> and (surprise!) came across some pictures of us in some of the subliminals.
> These were taken during Mike's Houghton visit -- pictures of us with Mike,
> sitting on a split-rail fence, with Mike falling off the top of the fence.
> (These can be seen in Mike's thought balloons during the garage sale scene in
> the movie.)  Were we ever surprised!  Not only did we get into a motion
> picture (from our favorite filmmaker), but, even better, we made it into the
> *subliminals*!

I just watched WoSaT Friday night and the subject of PFRC in the subliminals
came up.  I'll have to look more closely now that I know where to look.

--
Gabe Helou (pfbbs!gabe@angus.mi.org -or- ...uunet!angus!pfbbs!gabe)
The Permanent Floating BBS [Catch us when you can] ----------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: Aramina
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:05:08 GMT

She is a primary chericter in Renagades, is mentioned is DragonDrums and 
All The Wyers of Pern and dragons arnt the only things she hears as her
telepathic abilits arstrong.

ELF-KIN
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: The red planet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:28:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep13.233058.15388@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u920065@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Dean Bailey) writes:
>What exactly is on the red planet.

Read _All_the_Weyrs_of_Pern_ for a very detailed answer.

>I seem to remember in Dragon's Dawn that one of the characters( I forget the
>name as its been a while) tries to reach the planet and states 'oh no its...'
>before her ship is destroyed.

Avril Bitra's craft (the captain's gig) is destroyed before it
makes it to the Red Planet. From later info, I suspect she
collided with the spores in orbit around the planet, which
destroyed the craft. So, she'd be screaming 'Oh no, its not the
planet, its the halo!' or something. :)

Joshua
| Tremble only if you build false accounts and stand pridefully upon them    |
|                                       - Lord Leto II, God Emperor of Dune  |
|                                                                            |
| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |
From: tsmith@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Townsend Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: inconsistencies, observations, and questions
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:53:29 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

> The other inconsitency that I have noticed is that in Dragons dawn,
> it is quite specific in that the dragons were engineered with a 
> pentadactyl foot (five-fingers) Most of the cover art has dragons with
> only four fingers. Other problems with the cover art include relative
> size, Ramoth is supposed to be the size of an L-1011 plane and yet
> the size differential betweewn queen and rider is much less on the cover.
> 

  Cover inconsistency exists in an incredible number of books.  Everything
from games to novels... I wonder if the artist ever reads the book
before drawing the picture...

Jack
-- 
tsmith@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Computer Engineering and Computer Science at Virginia Tech
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Dragon names
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:13:29 GMT

In article <Ieedxe200Vpg0YsVxm@andrew.cmu.edu> "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
   >a dragon whose name doesn't end in 'th'.  Anyone going to try and give
   >a reason for this?

   Dragons have a mental lithp.

(* gag :)

Dragons name themselves (or know their names) at hatching/impression.
They know what's right.  Up until now I think it's just an empirical
pattern, subject to disproving anytime (not that I think it's likely).
No, I don't remember any comment, but I did notice the pattern by the
second or third book.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett)
Subject: Re: dragonsfire muse
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:55:58 GMT


Someone writes (if it can be called that):
> [ specific question about an exit on DragonsFire MUSE, barely readable
    due to typos ]

People, people.  This is _not_ the place for specific questions about
something happening on a MUSE.  _Perhaps_ rec.games.mud.tiny is a slightly
better choice, but even that is a stupid place to post.  There's a
_reason_ that MU*'s have wizards and royalty/staff/aides/etc--to answer
the questions that arise online.  Whenever you log into DragonsFire,
it gives a list of very helpful wizards and guides, and it's a simple
matter to page or @mail them.  Do _not_ post to 20,000 people asking a
dumb question that most of the readers have absolutely no interest in.

It's stupid posting tricks like this that give MU*ers a bad name on this 
newsgroup.


				--Ken
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: eog@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vicki Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:48:04 GMT

In article <BuBwq7.J0s@andy.bgsu.edu>, jkiley@bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
> 	In recent events on a MUSH on which I play, a female rider character
> became pregnant, and we started to discuss (no, not *right* after she got 
> pregnant, jeez...) the effects of between on pregnant women, and specifically,
> of course, on the unborn child.
>	Observations:
>	A Healer someplace mentioned that too much betweening is bad for 
>               the unborn.
> 	Kylara, in DQ, thinks about how easy it is to abort--just a few seconds
>               extra between and poof, no baby.
> 
> 	First, can anyone else find any other references?

I thought that the reference of F'lar to Lessa about no more children after 
F'lessan was the result of ::between:: for 400 yrs.  And that Kylara's
"just a few more moments between at the right moment" referred to becoming
*sterile* not abortion.
The healer reference i can't find.
Any others?
From: ccmj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claire Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Aramina
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:02:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <ins450m.716191724@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles) writes:

> Why was a hold named after Avril Bitra - considering her actions?
> 
She was supposed to be a very beautiful woman so she would have
certainly have stuck in the colonists memories. Perhaps the
knowledge of what she actually did was not widely known and so she
became a ``romantic bad guy'' and perhaps the group that set
up Bitra hold were rebelling from the main group of colonists
and took her name as an act of defiance. 

-- 
Claire
ccmj@dcs.ed.ac.uk
(I don't know why I bother with a signature really, all the information
 in it appears (more concisely) in the header right before my eyes.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Aramina
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 02:17:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep8.210508.27833@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>She is a primary chericter in Renagades, is mentioned is DragonDrums and 
>All The Wyers of Pern and dragons arnt the only things she hears as her
>telepathic abilits arstrong.
>
>ELF-KIN

She's also detailed in "The Girl Who Heard Dragons", of which
only 199 copies were printed. Cross your fingers, and hope it'll
be reprinted in the alledged Pern Anthology. (Anyone have
details?).

I don't recall her being mentioned in Dragondrums. Given that
during that time-frame, everyone on Pern thinks she's dead, and
that I've never noticed it, I doubt very much she's in there.

As for her telepathic prowess, she claims to hear 'something sad,
so I don't try to hear it'. People have suggested the dolphins,
but they are neither telepathic, nor a singular, and probably not
very sad. I favour Aivas as a candidate. It gets 2 out of three
(sad, as it can't complete its objectives, a singular, and who
knows what Aramina can pick up).

Joshua
| Tremble only if you build false accounts and stand pridefully upon them    |
|                                       - Lord Leto II, God Emperor of Dune  |
|                                                                            |
| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |
From: asdlk@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: alt.fan.pern
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:54:23 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

> 
> Not only that, but Moreta remarks of Sh'gall that, being holdbred, he
> has no understanding of, or sympathy for, the "associations of blue and
> green riders".  It's very clearly implied throughout the series that
> many green riders are weyrmated with brown or blue riders, and therefore
> gay or bi.  Consider the brown and green pair that we meet at the
> MasterSmithHall in Dragonquest_, whose riders argue with F'nor.
> 
> 				AMBAR

For those who do not like the above statement, It is said in one of the books
that there are many people who live and work in the wyre and don't ride
Dragons.  A large number of these other people must be women.  Those riders
whose dragons were mating would get with a consenting person and engage each 
other in whatever is desired.  

When I read the above passage, I thought she was talking about how Sh'gall
was surprised that two unmarried people could have sex together and not be 
forced into marriage.  To many religions and groups, having pre-mariatal sex is
a definite no-no.

Ketcherside
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jkiley@bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Subject: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Organization: BGSU, who's gonna kick the tar outta OSU this Saturday. :)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:54:07 GMT

	In recent events on a MUSH on which I play, a female rider character
became pregnant, and we started to discuss (no, not *right* after she got 
pregnant, jeez...) the effects of between on pregnant women, and specifically,
of course, on the unborn child.
	Observations:
	A Healer someplace mentioned that too much betweening is bad for 
the unborn.
	Kylara, in DQ, thinks about how easy it is to abort--just a few seconds
extra between and poof, no baby.

	First, can anyone else find any other references?
	Secondly, do we have anyone out there in netland with any sort of 
expertise in the field?  Anyone who'd know what the effects would be of brief,
intense cold on an unborn child?
	And what about female 'fighting riders', now that we have such things?
When should they start to restrict their activities?  (No offense to all you 
queen riders out there of course... :) )

Look, something different to ponder on afp.  What's the world coming to?


Jim Kiley, Astronomer Wannabe
Mertonn, Master Tanner, SouConMUSH
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Subject: Re: Weyrwoman seniority
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:17:45 GMT

I seem to recall vaguely from Moreta that senior weyrwoman status is 
determined by the first queen to rise after the senior queen goes a full year
without rising.

Jim Kiley, Astronomer Wannabe
Mertonn@SouConMUSH
From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: brown, green, and blue riders
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:34:08 GMT
	<92Sep14.055704.25341@acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Sep14.042108.2038@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
Organization: Redheads Anonymous
In-reply-to: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu's message of 14 Sep 92 04:21:08 -0500


Oh, the freshmen have arrived and we can rehash all the grand
discussions once more... :-)

In article <1992Sep14.042108.2038@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder) writes:

   Mirrim is supposed to be the first female green rider in memory. I'm sure
   that this is brought up yearly if not more often, but what sort of 
   sexual union if any occurs between the riders during a brown-green
   or blue-green mating? (both male) In Moreta, there is a blue rider who times
   it so he can be at the bedside of a close friend who rides a green.
   The way it is written makes me think that this relationship is a very close
   one...

Not only that, but Moreta remarks of Sh'gall that, being holdbred, he
has no understanding of, or sympathy for, the "associations of blue and
green riders".  It's very clearly implied throughout the series that
many green riders are weyrmated with brown or blue riders, and therefore
gay or bi.  Consider the brown and green pair that we meet at the
MasterSmithHall in Dragonquest_, whose riders argue with F'nor.

				AMBAR
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:55:07 GMT

ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz) writes:
: In article <92Sep10.185007.23168@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
: 
:    My question is - how do you stay in /between/ for a few extra
:    seconds? It takes 7 to go anywhere on Pern, and I don't think you
:    can ask your dragon to hold you there....
: 
: Think again.  Remember, all the Thread-fighting scenes, mention is made
: of how critical it is to come out of *Between* at the proper time..
: otherwise, you risk coming out directly into a Thread clump.
: 
: 				AMBAR

This is more than a bit flippant...and misses the point entirely.

Joshua Bell has asked how to stay `between' for longer than 7 seconds, and
you are answering that the time you come out of between is important.

The answer to Joshua's question is that it takes 7 seconds to go from 
anywhere on Pern to anywhere else, but it takes considerably longer
to go from anywhen to another when. In The Dragonlover's Guide, Anne
mentions that this is why it was so dangerous for Lessa to try to
go back 400 turns, in steps or otherwise.

As far as coming out in thread clumps, _where_ is more important than
_when_, as only one dragon is claimed to be absolutely sure of _when_
he is going: Ruth. Other dragons and riders would be insane to try to 
time it in the heat of thread-fighting.

raybro

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis)
Subject: Re: Aramina
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:13:29 GMT

jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.210508.27833@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>She is a primary chericter in Renagades, is mentioned is DragonDrums and 
>>All The Wyers of Pern and dragons arnt the only things she hears as her
>>telepathic abilits arstrong.
>>
>>ELF-KIN

>As for her telepathic prowess, she claims to hear 'something sad,
>so I don't try to hear it'. People have suggested the dolphins,
>but they are neither telepathic, nor a singular, and probably not
>very sad. I favour Aivas as a candidate. It gets 2 out of three
>(sad, as it can't complete its objectives, a singular, and who
>knows what Aramina can pick up).

Who said the dolphins aren't telepathic by the time they are imported to
Pern with the colonists?  I seem to recall some mention that they had
been genetically enhanced before they were brought, and it was one
reason the dolphins wanted to come.  (I'd look this up but all my books
are still packed in storage from my last move. *sigh*)


>Joshua
>| Tremble only if you build false accounts and stand pridefully upon them    |
>|                                       - Lord Leto II, God Emperor of Dune  |
>|                                                                            |
>| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |


-- 
Joi Ellis                      msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Student Residential Programs   Western Illinois University
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:15:11 GMT

vshen@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (N. Vivienne Shen) writes:

> I always thought that the reason Lessa was unable to have any more
> children was because she was MEDICALLY unable to--remember, she's a tiny
> person, and childbirth is a very stressful event. It could be that 
> when she gave birth to Flessan, she nearly died, and was forbidden to
> have any more children after that. I somehow doubt they can do
> cesarians on Pern.

now that I think about it- that way MY impression too..
Lessa is the small 'fire-brand' type person (aLOT of person packed into a
small volitile, passionate person). and she DID have alot of problems birthing
Flessan....I seem to remember something about her sadness at NOT being able
to bear more children (it being too risky, also- she will NOT (IMHO)
abide by the 'no betweens while pregnancy' rule (a dragon has to fly...)

^L vague spoiler alert kinda.....

idea/thought- now that the weyrs are slowing down, what about the possiblity
of a late pregnancy (ie- "whooops! whats this?" (possibly if she moved south
to work more....??)
Penn
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: between
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:04:32 GMT

I have allways asumed that the dark and cold of between was caused by the 
riders inability to *sense* anything during teleportation. That it is how a 
mind incapible of teleporting translates the expereanc and that dragons see
it the same way because of there long standing interaction with humens. Fire
lizzerds dont seem to have that sort of reasoning. The humen mind has a need
to order things in an understandble way so it merly logiced out the cold
nothingness of between. Dragons/Fire lizzerds seem to requier a lot of
energy for going between and riders tend to hold there breath the wholl time
so whin lessa made her jump her problem was asfixeation whill ramoths was
hunger-dragon do get pail when they need to eat. Some one capable of 
teleporting probly would not expereance the cold nothingness that utheres do.
Kylara was probly able to cause misscariges primaraly do to an intense desier
to not have the child and a vivid beleafe that it worked. I person who
has a vivid beleafe that they are going to d tommarro probably will. The 
humen mind has that power.

ELF-KIN
From: eog@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vicki Finkenstadt)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between
Summary: Male/female physiology
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:58:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <BuDtox.HK0@andy.bgsu.edu>, jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
> Forwarded for a friend:
> Gah. The reference to Kylara was most CERTAINLY talking about 
> abortion.  Cold does not kick ones ovaries into nevermore producing. IF 
> ANYTHING, it would affect men's testes first, since in sexually active men 
> they are outside the body cavity (as opposed to very young boys) and 
> the ovaries are deep inside the body and quite well protected.  I forget 
> all my physiology details but I think the testes MUST be outside the body
> cavity *because* of the lower temperature, which is related to proper sperm
> production. So, (deleted), every male dragonrider would be
> sterile. Which, we ALL know, ain't true, considering the number of little
> weyr-brats running around on Pern.
> 
> 	Marlena @ SouCon
> 
Just arguing this point, male sperm production is an ongoing event...guys
produce new ones all their lives.  Females begin with a certain amount
of unmatured eggs in their ovaries to last their whole lives.
Therefore, the effect of ::between:: on a male might differ from the 
female.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Dragon names
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:13:29 +0000


In article <1992Sep6.002727.10537@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, mortoncp@NeXTwork.Rose--
Hulman.Edu (Christopher P Morton) writes:
>
>One minor point:  anyone else notice that ALL dragon names end in 'th' ?   
>If this has been beaten to death already, I apologize.
>Just a minor point I noticed last time I read 'Quest.
>

Now that's interesting, I hadn't noticed that before and don't recall
ever reading about it here.  But now you mention it, I can't think of
a dragon whose name doesn't end in 'th'.  Anyone going to try and give
a reason for this?

Peter


-------------------------------------------| Lord of the Hold,
 *   *    Peter Boulter                    |  your charge is sure 
  ***     ---------------------------------| In thick walls, metal doors
 *   *    starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk   |  and no verdure.
-------------------------------------------|             -- Dragonflight.

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and between--vaguely MU*-centered, be warned.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:50:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <BuDG05.GC8@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> eog@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vicki Finkenstadt) writes:
>In article <BuBwq7.J0s@andy.bgsu.edu>, jkiley@bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley) writes:
>> 	In recent events on a MUSH on which I play, a female rider character
>> became pregnant, and we started to discuss (no, not *right* after she got 
>> pregnant, jeez...) the effects of between on pregnant women,
>> and specifically, of course, on the unborn child.
>
>I thought that the reference of F'lar to Lessa about no more children after 
>F'lessan was the result of ::between:: for 400 yrs.  And that Kylara's
>"just a few more moments between at the right moment" referred to becoming
>*sterile* not abortion.

Well, given that F'lessan was conceived a few Turns after Lessa's
400 Turn jump, that blows that theory out of the water. Lessa and
F'lar just have an infertility problem.

Kylara was talking about abortion, almost certainly. Anything
that'd kill all the ova in a woman would likely kill her as well
- humans tend to be pretty tough hombres. To have your
reproductive capability ended permanently by a little cold snap
is _not_ a good evolutionary development.

My question is - how do you stay in /between/ for a few extra
seconds? It takes 7 to go anywhere on Pern, and I don't think you
can ask your dragon to hold you there.... I think the only way to
do it would be to mis-visualize, and when Between, wait a few
seconds and re-visualize. This is incredibly stupid, risky, and
any rider who'd risk their dragon doing that should be whipped.

Ie, Kylara's kind of thing.

Joshua
| Tremble only if you build false accounts and stand pridefully upon them    |
|                                       - Lord Leto II, God Emperor of Dune  |
|                                                                            |
| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |