From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: The Definitive Free Will Thread.
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:56:33 GMT

In article <adams.717461270@spssig> 
adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:

Hey, how come this original hartigan post hasn't shown up on my feed
yet? Oh, I know, it's the CIA-FBI-MAFIA-CUBAN-NAZI connection at it
again.

>>We're going to have this out once and for all, comrades. Fasten your seat 
>>belts and lock up your daughters! 

Is that you Che, back from Bolivia? Que viva la raza! Oye como va, homes?

>>Let's start at the start. If you believe in free will.....

OK, I do, ... with limitations, like time and space.

>>1. Define "will."

Choice, meaning desire and of course fear. You can get with this or you
can get with that. I think you'll get with that, 'cause this is where
it's at. (And it is all that and much phat!)

>>2. Define "free."

Not enslaved. I am a free man. I will not be pushed, stamped, filed,
briefed, debriefed, or indexed. Something like that anyway. Be seeing
you. I I I I I I I I I I I ...

>>3. Define "free will."

Means you are walking the freedom walk and talking the freedom talk. All
across this country, we hear the news, that man must be free, get ready.
We are going to ride that freedom train. Free will means that you
decide, it is the way of no slave master required. It is a big goal of
the human being, to realize that the human being does have free will.
Free will means you decide, you are the one who must do the right thing.
Free will means there is no slave master to blame for your fortunes and
mistakes. Realization or actualization of free will is a step towards
enlightenment.

>>4. What conditions would make a "free" will unfree?

Realization or actualization of a slave master, some thing in control.
Clinging to the broken shackles is metaphoric of desire (and fear) of
the lack of free will, desire (and fear) of a slave master.

>>5. And vice versa?

Realization or actualization of TRUE FREEDOM. All it takes is walking
the freedom walk and talking the freedom talk, and perhaps some time.
The Lord has delivered our kind FROM slavery, any clinging to the broken
shackles is of your own design. But walking that walk and talking that
talk is no free gift, it is a challenge as you shall find. It is not
easy being an authentic individual leading an authentic life in a land
of wonder bread eaters, a land of tigers who think they are sheep, a
wasteland of authentic individuals leading in-authentic lives.

But you see what'sup, right homes? Que pasa? If you say you have no free
will, that your life is controlled by a slave master, The Man, or the
puppetmaster, then you have no free will. If you say that you have free
will, then you are walking the walk and talking the talk. This is all
knowledge gained from eating the forbiden fruit, from years of true and
blue, perched on the front stoop. Free will is a STATE of MIND homes.
Free will means to chose the path less travelled, or not travelled at
all. If you have the ganas (desire and fear), then you can realize and
actualize your own free will, which was there all along, waiting for you
to see it, just like those car keys you keep loosing. Kimo (Qui mo)
Sabe. That's pidgeon Spanglish for the One who knows me. Sabe, Kimo
Sabe?