HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: RFolweiler@gte.com (Bob Folweiler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Latest Tuneup hoses Personal File Sharing?
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:02:47 GMT
Distribution: m16547@mwunix.mitre.org (Arthur Gorski)
Organization: GTEL

In article <m16547.702316671@mwunix> m16547@mwunix.mitre.org (Arthur 
Gorski) writes:
> I just installed the latest TuneUp on a IIsi and an SE/30, both running 
7.0.1 
> and the original TuneUp.  I got a cryptic dialog, something like "File 
Sharing
> could not be enabled."  Trying to start personal file sharing via the 
Sharing
> Setup control panel repeated the dialog, and file sharing stayed off.
> 
> I eventually replaced only the File Sharing Extension with the 7.0.1 
version, 
> and everything came back to normal.
> 
> What gives?  Anyone else see this?  Is there a better fix?  Thanks in 
advance.

   Maybe that is why it got recalled.  (See Comp.sys.mac.announce today.)
I've been running Tune-Up 1.1 for this week, with no problems, file 
sharing or otherwise I yet!!  I'm running an fx, so things may be 
different.

Bob Folweiler
GTE Laboratories
Waltham, MA 02254
617-466-2262
From: wawebb@athena.mit.edu (Wyatt A Webb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: (Q) - starting Classic on ROM O/S
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:21:34 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hold Down CMD-Opt-X-O (that's the letter O not the number 0).  I don't
remember what system or if the Classic II will do this.  

It does have Appleshare installed, tho. That was the point...

	-Wyatt
--

** MIT Class of '92 (My thesis is due when?)
** MIT IS MicroComputer Consultant
From: cpastore@unity.ncsu.edu (Chris Pastore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ** Apple File Exchange HELP ME! **
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:16:40 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center

>In article <23350005@col.hp.com> chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson) writes:
>>I am trying to get a TIFF file on a DOS disk imported into FrameMaker 
>>on my Mac.  I tried using the Default Translator in Apple File Exchange
>>but the file is not recognized as TIFF when it shows up on the Mac desktop.

>You need to set the file type information so that it will be
>"recognized as TIFF".  ResEdit will work fine.  Check your FrameMaker
>manual if wants an imported TIFF file have a specfic "file extension"
>like ".TIF".  If necessary, use ResEdit and look at FrameMaker's BNDL
>resource.  It will tell you what type of files (and their signatures)
>it can write/read.  Look for "TIFF".

I am not sure of this one, but I was led to understand that there are
different TIFF formats.  For example, using Adobe Photoshop, if you save
as TIFF, it will prompt you for either Macintosh format or IBM format.

I'm not sure what the difference is, but this may be part of the
problem.


-- 
Christopher M. Pastore 	    |Life would be so pleasant
NC State University         |If we all could be
Textile Materials Science   |Helpless, homeless creatures
cpastore@nelson.tx.ncsu.edu |Marching to the sea.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cs225ex@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (A A DeGuzman)
Subject: Re: TuneUp 1.1 -- Parts remain w/ Shift boot?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:32:16 GMT

scott@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Scott Bronson) writes:

[stuff deleted about how Tune-Up 1.1 still loads even if all
 extensions are disable]

>I kinda badgered Scott Boyd about 7.0 right after it was first released
>with this concern.  Basically, I asked him if you could disable INITs,
>then how could Apple release system extensions and how could third
>party developers with drivers that are a part of extensions let the
>user use the product when the driver won't get installed because they'll
>be disabled also, right?

>Not so, he said.  He smiled and said nothing more about this, especially
>when I asked him how I could do this.  It's built into 7.0, and it's a
>seceret.  Though nothing's seceret to someone proficient with MacsBug or
>TMON.  :-)

We are running a lab of 30+ Macintoshes, which we hope to upgrade to 7.0.1
by next fall. A utility (or ResEdit hack for the System File) that would
disable the disabling of extensions would be perfect.

>	- Scott
-- 
Alan A. DeGuzman       |   "I think that the surest signs of intelligent life 
Calculus&Mathematica   |    elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
Dept of Math, UIUC     |    tried to contact us." - Hobbes to Calvin
From: eddy@pcad.uunet!pcad (Eduardo Juncosa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Tune-up 1.1 problems
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:57:17 GMT
Organization: PCAD/CADAM, Westford, MA


I downloaded the image file for System 7 Tuneup 1.1 from the listserver at
Rice, mounted it using MountImage, and triled to run the installer.  I got
the following message:

  Sorry, a system error has occured
  "Installer"
    bad F-line instruction

Any ideas?  Possibly relevant facts:

System 7 Tuneup 1.1
MountImage 1.2B1
OS 7.0.1 (no older Tuneup)
Classic II (4/80)

Thanks,
Eddy
--
Eduardo R. Juncosa	uunet!pcad!eddy

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: Switch-Launch died in System 6?
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:44:32 GMT

nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

>OK, forget that last query. I've just noticed that the 7.0.1 RAM disk
>survives Restart and can be designated as a startup device, which does
>the job. I presume this is intended for the day when the system software
>(such as the disk tools) doesn't fit on a floppy at all.

NO!  REMEMBER THAT LAST QUERY!!! *grin*

How about those of us running machines which are (oh so ancient)
pre-IIfx (or Quadra, or Classic, or whatever) and don't get the choice
to make an Apple RAM-disk?  Like me on my SE/30, for example. :)

I want my RAM disk!  

(Ok, now that my ranting & raving is out of the way... *grin*)

Has anyone written a patch to the 7.0.1 Memory CDev so that it will
think there is a RAMdisk?  Or is there actually something in the ROMs
which allow this functionality?

(But this FINALLY explains why Memory comes up as having init
resources in it on my (generic) Init manager...  I never quite got
around to checking w/ Resedit.)

	-=Alan
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Neil, would you please comment on this?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:04:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr8.150449.26805
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <43791@spt.entity.com> mdc@spt.UUCP (Marty Connor) writes:
>bill coderre:
>>I know it sounds stupid and crazy, but it keeps lots of people
>>employed, and until someone changes the laws, that's the way it's
>>going to be.
>>bill coderre
>>there is a reason for the madness
>Justifying or attempting to rationalize irrational behavior or
>ridiculous laws seems a sad pursuit.

	Hmmm.....I see you're still justifying your ignorance of
the laws again by claiming "rationality."

>But perhaps the ends justify the means, and QuickTime[tm] will fix the
>stupid and crazy behaviors of a huge multi-national corporation.
>NOT.

	You know, you COULD study some law. It's precisely because
Apple is a huge, multi-national corporation that they have to engage
in "stupid, crazy behavior."

	And you might even be in a position to suggest some improvements.
(Doubtful, since you find it more comfortable to dump on the so-called
faceless Apple corporation).



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Seiji Kaneko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: RAM viewer?
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:33:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: axiom.KANEKO.92Apr8203318
Organization: International Computer Science Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: axiom.icsi.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 23:21:39 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Apr 92 23:21:39 GMT, dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Walkowski) said:
|> white@fraser.sfu.ca (Steve White) writes:
>Does there exist such a thing as a utility that allows the user to view
>the location of everything in RAM?  It should be possible to construct such
>a thing--the Memory Manager surely knows this info, and it should be 
>possible to make the requisite inquiries.

|> Yes, it's called MacsBug, and it's available free from Apple.
|> You can ftp it from ftp.apple.com

MacsBug can do this, but need some knowledge about memory management.
If you want to know memory utilization within application, a program
called swatch may be what you want. I think it is in sumex.

--
Seiji Kaneko  kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU,kaneko@sdl.hitachi.co.jp
..................................... 76270.2466@compuserve.com
From: sietze@tardis.et.tudelft.nl (;Sietze Schukking)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: How to convince Mac+ it has 6-meg of RAM ?????????
Keywords: Mac+, RAM, 6-meg
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:06:10 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

Hello, I have a question:

What software must be patched and how to tell a Mac+ that
it has more than 4meg of RAM.
The Ram is placed for example between 6 and 8 megabytes,
the hardware is no problem, there is room and i can do that,
but to use it the software must be patched by an INIT (EX) or
program or something.

So can anybody tell me if this has been done before or
what one has to do to get this working.

Many thanks

Sietze Schukking

sietze@tardis.et.tudelft.nl
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:7134 comp.sys.mac.programmer:8192
From: strong@apple.com (Bob Strong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer,apple.general
Subject: Re: Comparing APPLs and BPPLs
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:59:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <64786@apple.Apple.COM>, spud@Apple.COM (Dave "Spud" Kalin) writes:
> 
> Someone told me that there is a file type BPPL which denotes a background
> application (such as the old Backgrounder).

Try "appe".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: changing name of hard disk.....
From: coleman@post.ntu.edu.au (James P H Coleman)
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:19:14 +0900
Distribution: world
Organization: Northern Territory University

In article <1992Apr7.161514.2971@darwin.ntu.edu.au>, coleman@post.ntu.edu.au (James P H Coleman) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Apr3.224601.8284@cs.ucla.edu>, jason@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Jason Rosenberg) writes:
> > On our Mac IIsi, we can't seem to change the name of the internal hard
> > drive.  We're getting tired of the plain "Macintosh HD".  We are running
> > system 7.0.1 with the first tune-up.  On my Mac II using the same software,
> > there is no problem.  I just click on the icon, wait a second, then the
> > text of the hard disk name becomes highlighted, and I can edit it.  I can't
> > seem to do this on the IIsi.
> 
> I have solved the problem but it is a terrible YUKKY CLUDGE.
> 
> Boot the IIsi up using a sys 6.07 startup disk and change the name there.

When I arrived at work this morning I found a couple of mail messages 
telling me how to do it properly.

SOLUTION:  Turn of Filesharing and then just use the normal method
of changing the name.

Many thanks for assistance
James Coleman
From: potts@itl.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Dead MacSE30, please help
Keywords: MacSE30 Hi,The symtom is once the Mac is turned on, nothing but the funny
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:07:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: terminat.1992Apr7.170743.1891
Organization: Instructional Technology Laboratory, University of Michigan

In article <1992Mar30.164022.3886@osf.org> kev@osf.org (Kevin Till) writes:
>video background.  Not even any noise. What could possibly wrong with it? I 
>don't know too much about Mac internal, please help!
>		Thanks!

I have to say I really don't understand the point of postings like this.
What do you want us to do, come to your house with a soldering iron and fix
it for you?  If you don't know much about the Mac internals, you wouldn't
be able to follow instructions on replacing the power supply or fixing a
video problem anyway. Take it to your dealer and say "it's broken."

-- 
Paul Potts - potts@itl.itd.umich.edu
Un damne' descendant sans lampe,/ Au bord d'un gouffre dont l'odeur
Trahit l'humide profondeur,/ D'e'ternels escaliers sans rampe... 
   -Baudelaire on DOS/Windows programming   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: b1y1m39@kato.BELL-ATL.COM (Bob Esposito)
Subject: NTP for Mac's
Organization: Bell Atlantic
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:14:26 GMT

	Does anyone know where I can get an NTP client program for
	a Mac?  There are lots of clock programs out there, but it
	would be nice to set your clock over the Internet, like the
	Unix NTP programs.


-- 
======================================================================
Bob Esposito                                  Voice:    (215) 466-6831
Bell Atlantic Corp.                             FAX:    (215) 563-3984
Philadelphia, Pa.                    E-mail: b1y1m39@kato.BELL-ATL.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes)
Subject: quickergraf CDEV ???
Reply-To: heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov (Graham Heyes)
Organization: CEBAF (Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:47:59 GMT

I was looking through the cdev section of one of the archives when 
I came across quickergraf-10.hqx which is a binhex 4.0 of a stuffit 
archive containing a CDEV and a file called quickbenchmark. It looks 
to me as though this is a cdev to speed up quickdraw in some way but 
unfortunately the stuffit archive contains no doccumentation. I tried 
dropping it into a system folder and rebooting. I see no extra icons 
during the reboot sequence and when I look on the control panel there 
is no quickergraf item. All I can guess is that this cdev is checking 
for a system version or hardware that I don't have.
		So, has anyone got any information about this CDEV. 	
If it does speed quickdraw and I can use it it would be very useful.

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From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: TuneUp 1.1
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:02:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Apr1.235446.5131@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, gyoungs@isis.cs.du.edu (Greg Youngs) writes:
> 
> 
> Tune-Up 1.1
> 
> After installing TuneUp 1.1, when I hold down the shift key,
> the bullet DOES NOT show up as it is suppose to.
> 
> Installer Cleanup Extension stays loose out in the System
> Folder along with Installer Temp folder which contains a copy
> of Chooser (from before?). 
> 
> <-----
> Even if you hold down the shift key to disable extensions,
> the fix for the disappearing files and folders problem WILL
> STILL BE INSTALLED.  This assumes, of course, that the Tuner
> extension is in the Extensions folder.
> 
> Doing an About this Macintosh still shows a bullet after the
> version number of the system if the Tune-Up is installed. 
> The only way to tell which version of the Tune-Up is
> installed is to do a Get Info on the Tuner extension itself.
> ----->
> 

With Tune Up 1.1 in the Extensions folder, but with the shift key
held down for Extensions Off you still get the preventive fix, but do
NOT get the bullet.

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Anyone know why "paste" might not work?
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:20:09 GMT


I had an interesting experience yesterday.  I reinstalled 7.0.1 + TuneUp 1.1
on my Quadra 700 yesterday, and noticed that my Map CDEV had of course been
replaced with the version off the Tidbits disk.  I wanted my color map back and
did a copy and opened Map and tried to do a paste.  I got the dialog box
warning me that it would replace the picture with the one I was pasting, and
I clicked "replace," but it wouldn't replace the Black and White map!!  I even
tried grabbing a new CDEV off the Tidbits disk with the same result.  Finally
I opened Map with ResEdit and just pasted the new PICT in, but I was wondering
why a normal "paste" should fail.

The Suspects:

	Q700, 20 Mb
	20 Mb Virtual (40 Mb total)
	32 bit Memory
	512K Disk cache
	Gatekeeper 1.2.5 + Gatekeeper Aid
	TuneUp v1.1
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: sew@design.canberra.edu.au (Simon Ward)
Subject: ATM available FTP?
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:40:01 GMT

As we've been told that ATM will soon be part of system 7,
is the upgrade for Quadras (version 2.03) available on any FTP sites?

Simon Ward
From: flash@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Flash)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: What is a Graphical User Interface ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:19:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

Hi,

I'm currently writting my final year thesis here at Warwick University
and as part of it I need a good definition of what a :

                  "Graphical User Interface"

is.  I know its to do with windows, icon, mice etc but I need a concise well
worded definition.  I've looked in our library and at all the journals but to
no avail.  Please, please if anyone has a definition or knows of a book I
could get that does please could you mail me.

Thanks

Jonathan Greensted

3rd year Computer Systems Engineering student.
-- 

--
Jonathan Greensted, Warwick Universty.
flash@uk.ac.warwick.dcs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: potts@itl.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts)
Subject: Re: MAC Trivia
Organization: Instructional Technology Laboratory, University of Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:33:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.150218.21698@cbnews.cb.att.com> djz@cbnews.cb.att.com (danny.zerkel) writes:
>In article <D2150035.0c5ufz@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes:
>>
>>Conjecture on my part, but that stops few on the net!
>>
>>Mac II		Simply a second generation Macintosh
>>Mac IIx	A Mac II with a 68030 in it.
>>Mac IIcx	  " in a compact box.
>>Mac IIci	A compact Mac II with internal video (but could have been
>>		cxi to follow the above rules, but that's probably too long)
>>Mac IIfx	A "f"aster Mac IIx.
>>Mac IIsi	A "s"porty (???!) Mac II with internal video.
>

Aha! You've figured out the secret scheme of Apple's...

So, when does the Mac LC IIIsyi come out?
: ] 
-- 
Paul Potts - potts@itl.itd.umich.edu
Un damne' descendant sans lampe,/ Au bord d'un gouffre dont l'odeur
Trahit l'humide profondeur,/ D'e'ternels escaliers sans rampe... 
   -Baudelaire on DOS/Windows programming   
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:7207 comp.sys.mac.wanted:4475
From: joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Mac Korean System 7.0?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 02:26:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mensa.usc.edu

choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu (Dongseok Choi) writes:

>Hi!
> Is Korean System 7.0 for Mac released?
> If so, is there any source I can get it in U.S.A.?
> How much is it? 
> Please reply by email. 
> Thank you very much in advance.

>D. Choi 
>email: choi@galton.uchicago.edu

If anyone has an answer to this question, please post it to this news group.

Thank you.

JW
-- 
Joung-woo John Kim				joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu
Computer Science Dept.
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0781

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: alen@crash.cts.com (Alen Shapiro)
Subject: Tuneup 1.1.1 & missing folders...fix or cludge?
Reply-To: alen@crash.cts.com (Alen Shapiro)
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:30:28 GMT
Summary: don't blink, you might miss it
Keywords: folder missing tuneup system 7.0.1

The scenario...
Just spent most of the day downloading 7.0.1 and tuneup 1.1.1 from
ftp.apple.com, I thought "enough of being a whimp, time to test the
system 7 waters...after all it's almost stable...right?".

Tuneup 1.1.1 image on ftp.apple.com is NOT a disk image, it expands
to a real folder. Booted install.1 disk to install 7.0.1 on a
spare disk volume, booted straight into the installer. Installed 7.0.1,
tried to run tuneup 1.1.1's installer...It demanded a real floppy. Many
(Many Many) disk swaps later I got 2 dialogs demanding the same disk
at the same time. One went away when I inserted the disk, the other
did not...furthermore I could only eject my disk with a pin through the
hole. Reboot, copy 7.0.1 to another spare volume, set it as startup,
rebooted it and ran tuneup from the, now free, floppy. Good thing I've
so many volumes to mount. Hate to think what would have happened without
silverlining.

Mounted my 6.0.8 volumes one by one, waited for the desktops to be
rebuilt and opened a 4-level deep folder. I saw the file and folder
icons appear on the screen then I saw one of them actually disappear.

I was just in the middle of cursing apple when it came back again
(before my very eyes). No more than 5 seconds had passed with the folder
not showing its icon.

Was I bitten by the missing folder bug? Did I see an indication that apple has
not actually fixed the bug but have installed a detection/action patch?

comments?...nothing rude now

--alen
alen@crash.cts.com

ps does boomerang work under system 7? does microphone seem more sluggish
   under system 7 to anyone else? Do I still need my postscript cartridge
   in my laserjetIII (or am I using truetype now)? Enquiring minds want
   to know.
From: gest_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Gavin Stark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AppleShare 3.0 Printer Server and < LaserWriter 7.0
Keywords: appleshare
Date: 6 Apr 92 01:52:53 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Apr4.212716.9986@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> gest_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Gavin Stark) writes:
>Is there a way to get the AppleShare 3.0 Print Server to use anything less
>that LaserWriter 7.0?  Or, alternatively, is there a way to allow machines
>with LaserWriter 6.x to print to a Printer Sever with 7.0 running?


Well, I solved my own problem this time!  By going into the "LaswerWriter"
driver with ResEdit and editing the POST resource I was able to convince the
7.0 driver to take requests from our 6.0.2 machines.  What I needed to
change was two references to the "71 1" version (for sys 7) to "70 1" (for
sys 6.0.2)

Now we can have our 40+ macs with LaserWriter 6.0.2 print to our System 7
File/Print server!

If you want more information about this, feel free to mail.


--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Gavin Stark          gest_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu      University of Rochester
"But alienation's for the rich and I'm a-feelin' poorer every day." - TMBG