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From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re: Separating Cats
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:26:46 GMT


>Has anyone ever had any experience in having to split up a multi-cat
>household due to a separation or divorce?


Yes, I took 3 and my ex took 3.  My 3 didn't seem to suffer any traumas.
If you are talking 2 cats, one to each person, I would adopt a buddy for
the now single cat.

By the way, the cats were a great comfort.

Liv
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: magarret@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (CAT LOVER)
Subject: Cat begging
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:36:27 GMT

My kitten, Zach, begs horribly for food everytime I try to sit down and eat!
He'll meow constantly and try to jump up on the table, which he knows he's not 
allowed to do.  I've sprayed him with water, but it doesn't much bother him, 
and I've picked him up and set him down, but he's right back up in a flash.

It's partly my fault, cause sometimes I give them a piece of what I'm eating, 
or let them lick the sauce that's left, but just as a treat on occasion.

I can't eat in peace anymore...I have to gulp down my food!  Help!

Marti
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ellen@iti.org (Ellen Sudia)
Subject: Advice needed
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:08:53 GMT

This past weekend I had to have one of my very beloved cats put
to sleep after a long bout with kidney disease.  Through the 
valiant efforts of my vet we were able to keep her happy and
relatively heathly for 1 1/2 years.  However, last week she
developed a very bad bladder infection and really went downhill
fast. 

The problem is my 2-year old Persian who spent her first day 
alone yesterday since my other cat's death.  The Persian is very
aloof to me but was very close to the other cat.  This has happened
at a very bad time because I am going to be away for some time
and will have friends come in to check on her.  She will hide under
the bed and they will never see her.  She is terrified of people
when they come over and will hide for hours.  I'm afraid that she
will be absolutely terrified when I am gone.  I don't quite know what
to do about this, other than leave a bag of food and a flashlight so
my friends can see if she's alive under the bed.  Neither of us is
dealing with the death of the other cat very well and with my Persian
it's quite obvious.  She hasn't eaten very much in the past few days
and she keeps looking for her friend.  It's not a very nice time for
either of us, I'm afraid.  Any suggestions as to what I might be
able to do for her would be very much welcomed.  Getting a buddy for
her is out of the question, I want one very badly, but due the
serious illness of the other cat, I am advised by my vet not to,
EVER.  So, a new kitten is out of the question.  Thanks in advance
for any suggestions.
From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Strange wanted posting
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:55:55 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

I have read more and more about these incidents occuring.  I know 2
families whose dogs were taken right out of there fenced in yards by
someone in a dark van.  I know that people who let their animals roam,
especially cats, feel stongly that their animals deserve freedom, but is
letting them have this freedom worth the possibility that they could be
picked up for medical experiments or worse?  I'm not even sure I would let
a dog out in a fenced in yard unsupervised anymore.  There are people
desperate for money out there, and they do get paid for bringing in live
animals.  These people do horrible things to the animals before they even
get to the labs.  An example is that these brutes cut dog's vocal cords so
no one can hear them barking.  I was in a humane society one day checking
out the cats, and of course I had to go see the dogs.  There were 2 dogs
that had been found in a chicken coop with 67 other dogs whose cords had
been cut.  They mad the most pitiful sound trying to bark and growl at me
that I have ever heard.  I ran out of there in tears.  Please please please
keep dogs supervised while they are out and keep your cats indoors.  These
are the only 100% sure ways to keep them alive, safe, and healthy.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Subject: Re: Arthritis Relief?
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:28:52 GMT

sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:

{Older cat seeming to suffer from arthritis}

A few years ago I had a bursitis problem, and
started using a heating pad on my chair.  Chaplin
took over the chair when I got up, and was much
happier sitting on the heating pad.

I didn't put it out for her in my new place
here - I have a heated mattress pad now, and she
would sleep with me on it - but the last few 
months of her life she preferred sleeping inside
a down coat (mine, of course).  I got her one of
her own - unfortunately she only used it a few
days before the cancer was discovered and I opted
to let her go.

So - try a heating pad, and a down cover, especially
now during winter.  Your cat may feel MUCH better.

DO NOT give him aspirin!!

Diana
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:52:07 EST
From: <KMD129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: SPAYED CAT IN HEAT!!!

I have a one year old cat who was spayed at 6 months.
She has gone into heat 3 times!! Has anyone ever seen
this happen in a spayed animal?  Any explanations?
Do I need to get her re-spayed?  I'd appreciate any
help!
                                Kelly
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: I want in I want out
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:57:23 GMT

I used to have that problem with cats who hated whatever side
of the door they found themselves.  Remodeling solved this.

All the doors came down.  I haven't had a chance to re-finish them 
so they are still down.  Other than Buster, who has dim memories of
the joys of going outdoors and killing small creatures for fun, 
no one complains anymore because I have no doors.  Except for the one
Big Door into the OUTDOORS, there is nothing for them to be on the
wrong side of.  

Blessedly, after 6 months or so, they are learning to be courteous to 
me at night so that I can sleep. Either that or I've become a heavier
sleeper.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk (Sheila Thomas)
Subject: Re: The Sacred Halogen Torchiere 
Distribution: world
Organization: moderate-to-good
Reply-To: malwen@granta.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:17:39 +0000

In article <1993Jan22.230557.193426@locus.com> krissie@alpha.la.locus.com writes:

  i was told that even being an indoor cat she runs
>a bit of a risk of things like skin cancer.
>
>an
 outside white cat certainly does run that risk.  as well as sunburn.

There is an article in New Scientist this week (vol.137, no.1857.
23 Jan.1993. ISSN 0262 4079) p.4 on "Pets need protection from the
sun". It is largely about pale-coloured animals, including white
cats, suffering skin cancers in Australia. The Royal Society for
the Protection of Animals recommends keeping susceptible animals
indoors between 11 am and 3pm. 
I expect this must apply equally well in parts of southern USA.

__________________________________________
Malwen

"Even overweight cats instinctively know the cardinal
rule: when fat, arrange yourself in slim poses."
John Weitz
________________________________________________________
From: webers@stein.u.washington.edu (Sandy Weber)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Why breed cats? (was: choose him or your cats?)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:19:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan) writes:

>This brings up something that's been bothering me for a while -- what
>is it with cat breeders and these horrible flat faced persians? It breaks
>my heart to see pictures of these animals. Are they doing similar things
>to other breeds?  I'm not talking about breeding for color or marking or
>coat length, but rather serious tampering with the basic architectural
>design of the cat.  And besides structural issues, are these same folks
>also messing with the very essence of the cat -- its personality?

  The one that bothers me most is the exaggerated oriental facial structure
that's becoming popular among show siamese and such.  The skinnier the faces
get, the more sorry I feel for the poor cats that have to look like that. 

>I think from my questions, my feelings on this are pretty obvious. But
>I really am interested in what's happening in Cat Fancy circles regarding
>these issues.

   So am I, if there's someone here in the know about such things... 

   -Sandy

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Cats need New Home
Keywords: adoption allergy help
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:18:22 GMT

In article <8244@dove.nist.gov> livigni@bldrdoc.gov (David livigni 303-497-5898) writes:

>she exploded and left me.  I sucked up and patched it back together again
>(probably another mistake) but now she really hates them and I think she
>is a selfish cold-hearted bitch.  But I love her anyway.

I cannot BELIEVE that you would choose a woman who is as cold-hearted,
cruel, self-centered, and selfish as you describe over the cats that
you describe so fondly.  Are you a masochist, or what?  Your cats
deserve your company more than she does.  DITCH HER and keep the cats!

>  I will miss them dearly.

Then don't give them away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Get rid of the bitch
instead.  OR you will probably regret this and feel guilty for the
rest of your life.  How long do you think this woman (and I use the
term loosely) will stay around?  First the cats, then you ...

--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: ATTIC DANGERS
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:00:43 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan25.194450.49553@evolving.com>, judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger) writes:
> 
> [discussion about kitties falling into wall from attic snipped]
> 
> We live in an old house (1918), and Bast loves to sneak up into
> our walk-up attic if we're not really careful.  She can't fall
> into the walls as in a newer house, but her favorite thing
> seems to be to get as filthy as possible in the old rock wool insulation.
> Does anyone know if this is dangerous?  (Yes, we do our best to keep
> her out of there, but you know how it goes sometimes...)

Insulation materials are not the world's best for cats or humans to be
playing in.  Why?  Not because of asbestos dangers, but because of the
number of small particulates that can get into lungs and cause the
equivalent of silicosis (black lung of miners).  I _expect_ that we're
going to find that all the hoo-haw about asbestos fibers and lung cancer
is really just a special case of the type of damage that breathing 
small particles does to lungs.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Keith Norwood)
Subject: Re: Cat on Counters, HELP
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:38:26 GMT

In article <1jqd9eINNkd7@umbc8.umbc.edu> ac999257@umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.190937.2427@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Keith Norwood) writes:
>>
>>If we are surrogate parents to our pets, doesn't the responsibility exist 
>>
>Cats are adult animals, and we are not necessarily their surrogate
>parents -- just their perpetual providers. They act like children,
>and treat us like their moms, but they really are adult animals that
>can fend for themselves if we didn't do everything for them. (Oh, God!

Above you said, "They act like children and treat us like their moms".  Isn't 
this parental behavior?!  Just because they can fend for themselves doesn't
mean we don't act like parents to them.  I can fend for myself but my 
mother still behaves in a parental fashion.  

>We do have a responsibility to provide our cats with a loving home and 
>as healthy a life as possible. We do not, necessarily have the 
>responsibility to make them conform to our way of life -- we just 
>like doing it.

You last statement is interesting!  We don't have to make them conform
but it works out that way.  I don't like to make them conform but sometimes
it is necessary.  After all, they are living in my house.  If they're on
the counter playing with food, I'm going to TRAIN them not to.  It's as
simple as that.  If they were paying the bills and feeding me, I couldn't 
say shit.  

When you neuter/spay/declaw/train your cat, you're making it conform to 
your way of life.   

Keith
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: REVENGE
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:06:41 GMT

My mother-in-law used to have a nasty, spiteful, and generally
sneaky little cat named Noko Marie the Snake.  At one point she (my
mother-in-law, that is) was having some construction work done on
her house, and Noko attempted to ingratiate herself with one of the
carpenters, who was eating a ham sandwich -- ham was Noko's particular
favorite thing in the world.  Not being much of a cat fancier, the
carpenter stubbornly refused to share his sandwich.

The following morning, my mother-in-law was awakened by a loud crash,
accompanied by an anguished scream from the carpenter.  She rushed over to
the construction site, sure that he'd cut a finger off, at the very least.
In fact, what had happened is that he'd left his tool belt lying on the
floor overnight, and Noko had shat in the nail pouch.  The carpenter,
of course, didn't discover this until he was poised with his hammer in
the air, holding up a panel or something, and reached for a nail.

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   -__ __ /_   Jon Berger              "If you push something hard enough,
  //_// //_/   jonb@ingres.com          it will fall over."
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From: lusol@Lehigh.EDU (Stephen O. Lidie)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: MAC KITTY II: THE DIRECTIONS
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:26:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University, Bethlehem PA

In article <1jl2mqINNhfc@castor.hahnemann.edu> weinhous@castor.hahnemann.edu
(Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.) writes:
>In article <1jipo6INNrns@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jshouman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
(Joan-Marie Shouman) writes:
>:
>:Actual icon is ftpable from src.doc.ic.ac.uk in the directory:
>:computing/systems/mac/umich/util/trashcan under the name kittylitter (big
>:surprise, eh?). It's about 4K.
>
>I got it, I tried it (followed the directions!), it didn't work. My system
>is a Mac IIcx under 7.0.1-tuned with 20MB RAM, Mode 32 and virtual memory
>off.
>
>Should kittylitter have worked? If so, what am I missing?

As I posted yesterday the resedit instructions/icons are for a mac running
System 6 of the OS software.  Now, I'm not a Mac heavy but I do know this:

 . the trash icons are kept in the System file in System 7 vs. the Finder
   file in System 6
 . the icon resource numbers have changed in System 7 so you need resedit
   to change them
 . there are no color kitty icons that can be used in System 7

Since I've had various requests, I will post my particular kitty litter trash
icons that I fixed for System 7.  I'll even try to give some instructions on
what to do.... (-:  But you'll have to wait until I have some time, hopefully
by this weekend.....

SOL
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: daj8m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Deirdre A. Johnson)
Subject: "A Scratchy Definition", or tomcat's view of tom...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:14:49 GMT

Hi, everyone!

A while ago, a friend of mine gave me a newspaper clipping (I think from
the NY Times Review of Books) of a cat story.  I'm posting the story
because I thought all of you cat-people might enjoy it.  It's taken from
"Toward the Radical Center: A Karel Capek Reader," edited by Peter Kussi,
and it purports to be a cat describing his person.  Here goes!

          This is my Man.  I am not afraid of him.  He is very strong,
     for he eats a great deal; he is an Eater of All Things.  What are
     you eating?  Give me some!
          He is not beautiful, for he has no fur.  Not having enough
     saliva, he has to wash himself with water.  He meows in a harsh 
     voice and a great deal more than necessary.  Sometimes in his sleep
     he purrs.
          Let me out!
          I don't know how he has made himself Master; perhaps he has
     eaten something sublime.
          He keeps my rooms clean for me.
          In his paws he carries a sharp black claw and he scratches
     with it on white sheets of paper.  That is the only game he plays.
     He sleeps at night instead of by day, he cannot see in the dark,
     he has no pleasures.  He never thinks of blood, never dreams of
     hunting or fighting; he never sings songs of love.

That's it!  I hope you enjoyed it.

                                  -Deirdre (daj8m@Virginia.edu)
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:56:17 EST
From: William Amos <WAMOS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Help me name my cat
Distribution: world
 <727731102snz@granta.demon.co.uk> <93023.182924DH6530A@auvm.american.edu>

Bote?  Why not Boat instead?  Tell me more about this cat.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace)
Subject: Re: hairballs
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:35:51 GMT


Well, I don't know about cats and vaseline, but I do know that
the inventor of vaseline used to eat several tablespoons of the
stuff _a day_. <gasp> I think he did it to show what useful
wonderful stuff it is.  
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|    twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu   |   as often as an optimist,   |
|                               |   but always pleasantly."    |
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ujak@pool.sunyit.edu (Jim Kulak)
Subject: Strange Feeding Ritual
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:30:52 GMT

Hi all.  Last year I found a cute kitten wandering the local highway
and later adopted the kitten.  A long story in itself.  After Java
eats from his bowl, even today, he seems to be trying to "bury" his
food with imaginary dirt and leaves which he "scoops" from the floor
around his bowl and the wall behind it.  Does anyone have a clue as
to what it is for?  Could it possibly have something to do with living
in the wild for a couple of months?  (We think the kitten was born
in the wild and wadered onto the highway).

Jim Kulak
ujak@sunyit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dionne@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Dionne E Nelson)
Subject: Re: Help me find a kitty.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:58:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.192540.15771@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>About the hissing method that everyone has been advocating: do you hiss
>through your teeth like a long-drawn-out "sssss", or in the back of your
>throat like the cats themselves do? I have tried both ways on my cats,
>and they just look at me like I'm weird :-). So I figure I must be doing
>it wrong somehow.

I know a cat that responds to both methods.  I think the back of the throat one
is easier.  Do you hiss like you mean it (swearing in cat) or are you just
making a noise at them?

dionne@bank.ecn.purdue.edu


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Anneliese Kropf <akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au>
Subject: Catnip
Organization: Australian Maritime College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 03:59:46 GMT

Thanks to Martin Dix for letting me know that catnip IS available over
here in Australia.  My replies to you keep getting returned.  

Anyway, I am still having trouble finding it here in Tasmania (for those
elsewhere it is the island at the bottom of mainland Australia).  Has
anyone some seeds they could send me?  

Thanks also to those that let me know what a 'cat dancer' was. 
Unfortunately my monsters would probably just look at it, like they do
other toys and stuff, as if to say, "so what!", "big deal", "what are we
supposed to so with this".
 
Thanks in advance.

Anneliese Kropf
Australian Maritime College, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au

**Some people are owned by cats and still manage to lead normal lives**
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: Giving Pills to our Fuzzy Friends
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:08:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.234807.9860@tms390.micro.ti.com> david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes:
>
>I use a 3cc syringe to squirt the Amoxi-Drops into the cats' mouths.
>No needle, of course, just a plastic syringe. >
>Ask your vet for a syringe the next time he prescribes Amoxi.

Alas, I've already tried the syringe route, and it didn't work any
better than the dropper.  My cats can spot that stuff a mile away, and
they're READY to resist!

Hopefully, they just won't get sick anymore ... :-)

--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Question about female's way of pissing
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1993Jan15.195417.655@cine88.cineca.it>, villa@sparrow
(Ferdinando Villa) writes:
|>
|>Excuse me for this odd question. My girlfriend has two female cats who
|>use to piss just like males in love, i.e. they lift their tail and spray
|>urine here and there. I was quite astonished. The cats live together
|>with around 30 cats, with many males who piss this way. Is it a common
|>observation or maybe they have 'learnt by example' of male cats?
|>
|>I promise no more questions of this kind. Cheers, Ferdinando 
|>--
|>Ferdinando Villa, dr. 
|>

Actually, all cats can spray like toms do, including neutered males, and
queens or spayed females. I'm not sure if the females actually spray urine,
but the males spray from scent glands. Situations such as introducing a 
new cat to the household, or even if your cat looks out the window and sees
"intruders" in the yard, can cause such behaviour.

It's territorial behaviour, and I'd guess that living with 30 cats, these
two females are simply marking their territory.

- Lianne -