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From: hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Killing Time in Korea
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:19:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


There was a time -- before I entered kindergarten -- when only the
simplest matters of life concerned my philosophically oriented mind.
One of the questions I frequently asked myself during those days was
"How shall I kill my time today?"
   I still ponder the question now and then, especially when I'm
lonely and free of hunger, which seems to be the case nothing but
lately.  However, that isn't the point here.  The point is, I did
manage to kill my time without suffocating myself or committing
suicide, like what my kitty cat named "YaOng-ee" did after an
unsatisfying eye-folding operation -- just to think of her again, I
feel gloomy.  Pretty or not, one shouldn't judge on one's appearance,
that's what I used to tell her, but, I guess, I didn't try hard
enough.  Nowadays, she is modeling for "Hello Kitty" in the other
world, and happily married to Hodori, or so my dreams tell me.
Anyway, part of my incessant philosophical pondering resulted from
lack of cheap and immediate entertainments available to
pre-kindergarten children scattered around the cities and rural areas
of Korea.  Usually, the children leave their parents and hop into a
boat headed for Amerika, but such luxurious thought hadn't crossed my
mind back then.  
   Fortunately or unfortunately, the only entertainment among me,
myself, and I was sneaking into local movie theater.  Yes, in that
comfortable lazy-boy seat along with Dolby stereo equipped 70mm wide
projection screen theater, I watched innumerable foreign films several
times in a row!  Sometimes, I managed to synchronize the movements of
the lips of actors and actresses without realizing what that foreign
line meant in Korean -- only when I entered kindergarten did I manage
to read the subtitles, but when that happened, I had to struggle
myself to obtain a visually cozy seat that best accorded with the
placement of subtitles on the screen: be it left, right, or dubbed.
   Interestingly, the film I enjoyed the most wasn't a foreign one,
and thank goodness it was done in series.  I practically lived on
them!  Maybe there are sentimental folks out there who still remember
the film in question.  It was called "DeHan News (The Great Korean
News)."  There was a soap-opera version on TV done by the same
director, and I think it was called "BeDalEui GiSu (Gisu the delivery
boy?)"  I believe it was popular among soldiers in the barracks until
the leading actor got married, but I still love those two films.
Maybe someone can help me find a video store in United States that
carries those wonderful films.  Nothing beats the sheer excitement one
receives when hearing the announcement of:

           ___     _|_      |__    /
       *   |   |_|  o |-   _____  /\   *
           |__ | |  |__     | |  ____  

                  "DeHan News"

In fact, everybody in the theater stood up!!!  Don't you agree?

Hyunsuk Seung
hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: TO: S. W. KIM (Re: To Jung)
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:24:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder)) writes:


>In article <1992Dec22.084624.27094@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,
>swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:

>> Subject: To Jung
>> ....

>Again, sorry, s.c.k netters, please disregard this message, if you are not
>the Mr. S. W. KIM.


>You must be the full-time netter of this 'soc.culture.korean'. 
>Full-time netter of this s.c.k should do like you?

>Anyway, I'm so unhappy about that kind of a personal ABUSE of net.
>It is a shame of 'soc.culture.korean' newsgroup.
	 ^^^^^

What shame! soc.culture.korean pig for ever.
 
>Han

Hey, what's wrong with you gal and guy? This is where any pig can come
and talk about whatever individual pig thinks and feels. There is no
such thing as what we should talk and not. There can be flames like
one I posted. If you give one right of freedom of speech, you give it
all.  You don't censor any( If I want to say Eat shit, I can say
that).  If the pig I flamed couldn't handle what I said, perhaps the
pig should learn how to deal with it to live in a beautiful pig's
society where every pig has a big nose to sniff others.


At last but not the least, 

    From a pig from heaven,


		Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

					To every pig on the earth.

Jung the pig.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:aftermath of election
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:29:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

>Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) writes;	
>In article <1992Dec23.210414.13518@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (Seok W Kim) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec23.192228.7191@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>>>
>>>   Here I want to remind you that it was  DJ and CY who supported 
>>>   the parliamentary system during the election. It was YS who refused that
>>>   idea 
>>
>>This is not true. Here are their officail responses in 'Kwanhun Club'.
>>	
>>	YS : Let's talk later. (sounds like his typical response on many
>>                                complex national issues.)
>>	DJ : I object that system personally, but people have the RIGHT to
>>	     choose, so I'll obey people's opinions.
>>	CY : I support that system. I'll change it if I become a prez.
>>
>>Happy holiday!
>
>
>Yup! Your analysis is so exact.  I agree.

        I have a question for you. Why do you take only what they said at
         Kwanhun Club?
        Even so, do you think DJ's remark has any literal meaning?
        In a democratic society, if poeple want (I mean if majority agree),
        they can do anything. So what did DJ mean?
       
        Why did you ignore the fact that YS trashed so-called "3-parties
        merging-secret-agreement" (Kak-Seo) of which core was parliamentary
        system, and rejected ChongChan Lee and TJ Park's request of that when 
        he desparately needed them?

        My analysis(?) goes as follows:
        Without real political parties which have the firm roots in people,
        parliamentary system will be the compromise among a few political
        forces when any of them can not sustain their control over the country.
        If any of them has the majority support of people or house,
        presidential system will be prefered.

        YS has more stable political basis and I do not think it will be 
        difficult for YS to have the absolute majority in house.
        Why does he want to change it?
        On the other hand, unfortunately it was obvious again that DJ could
        not build his political base outside his province. I am from Choong-
        Buk where I could not find a bit of DJ support.
        Isn't it ridiculous that a man wants to be a national leader without
        political mechanism outside his province?  If he encounter tough
       opposition, what will be his choice?
       
        Do you remember that many parliamentary system supporters from DLP 
        left the party during election? Who do you think have a power to 
        initiate that constitutional change?
        
        In short, I still believe that YS is more unlikely to do that than DJ.
        That's it.  In addition, I'd like to add this:
        I do not like a dogmatic analysis.
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Vegetarian (Re: bbong-jjak)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:12:14 GMT

In article <1071@blue.cis.pitt.edu> babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>Yeah, I remember once we invited someone to a korean dinner and served
> bulgogi and galbi.
>
>And he would exclaim in a loud voice , with pride "I AM A VEGETARIAN"
>and smile. The mood was ruined and we felt like terrible hosts.
>He was plainly enjoying our discomfort and embarassment.

Sounds like my kind of guy. :)  Seriously, I find it very hard to take a
vegetarian to a Korean restaurant.  Ironically, most of the representative
Korean food involve meat.

>Later he talked about how meat-eaters are destorying their bodies
>and ruining the earth.

Ha ha ha...  I wish I was there.

>We never invited him back.

I am sure he is also glad to be spared from such a "barbaric" act. :)  I
guess that's why close friends tend to have similar background (culture,
language, diet, religion, etc.)

For the same reason, I was never invited twice to a given drinking crowd.
Which serves my purpose.  As I specified in the original posting, it is fun
to ruin the mood only if I do not like their companion in the first place.
By doing so, I avoid the second invitation.  If it was an occasion with
someone I care for, of course, I will behave diplomatically.

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: ychoi@oak.math.ucla.edu (Yonghee Choi)
Subject: Re: Looking for Korean Playboy
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 07:39:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.031155.935@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <85976@ut-emx.uucp> piglet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kyung Hee) writes:
>>    This no joke.  I'm looking for magazines like Playboy and Penthouse
>
>	Yes, there is one called Nol-Za-Nom, of which Dec. issue
>	Shim HyeJin is the Centerfold.
>
>	What a Joke!
>-- 
>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703) 273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
>	DAESHIK.KIM@sprintintl.sprint.com	dskim@eng.umd.edu
>	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com


Actually, I would like to get a magazine like this if there is any.

BTW, Who on Earth is Shim HyeJin?
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Anju (Was Re: bbong-jjak)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 17:02:44 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1992Dec21.223816.12834@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>In article <1h3njmINNihb@menudo.uh.edu> wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin) writes:
>>
>>About the Best Anju for Soju,  ManMi-II at SinCheon was to said to have
>
>Boy, do they still exist?  That name rings me some memories...

Boy, I am not a boy. I wish I were. ( 8-) ;-) )

>
>>best Anju for Soju in reasonable price, which I remember is fork rib.
>>How it is prepared and cooked is their secret, so you have to figure out.
>
>You probably don't want to know either.  That place was so dark you
>wouldn't know what that black thing in your Anju was even with James' sober
>eyes.  I remember I had more "Dong Dong Ju" rather than soju in that place.

I think that my memory was wrong. I now remember that it was *original*
ManMiJib.  I remember that I also tried ManMi-II, where I drank Beer.
It was pretty dark and I did not like it.  Well, it was more that 10 years
ago ....


>>For quick preparation, IMHO, an instant noodle, called YookKyeJang SaBalMyeon
>>was good.  When I was doing an undergraduate senior project, I used to
>>stay late at graduate students' labs.  In late fall or winter, it was
>>quite cold in the lab.  One or two cups of SoJu accompanied by the warm,
>>hot and spicy YookKyeJang SaBalMyeon really made the whole environment
>>more friendly and warmer (not to mention my body).  I still miss that time 
>>( I am sure that anyone who were in that lab should remember this
>> experience ). 
>
>Lucky that you don't drink much.  Soju + SaBalMyeon combo will put some
>holes in your stomach.

Sorry. I did not think about health.
Soju+SaBalMyeon should be avoided.  In fact, while we were enjoying the
combo at that time, one joked (maybe true) that the body of dead person who 
ate lots of SaBalMyeon went rotten except the stomach which will probably 
last unrotten forever.

Strange that I have not had any trouble with my stomach even though I
have had so many SaBalMyeons....

>Soju goes well with any barbecue like Galbi, Bulgogi, Pork Galbi, Sam Kyeop
>Sal, but my favorite is with Hwe (Sashmi).  Especially San Nak Ji...
>
>Andy Kim

BTW, if you really think about your health, you should avoid SoJu.
I am hoping that some smart Koreans may develop new SoJu, which still has 
the original SoJu taste but not harmful to health.

Don't drive drunken.
And Have Merry Christmas.

-- 
____   ____  ____ ____________________________________ (___) _________________
|  |   |  |  |  |  W. Woody Jin (wjin@cs.uh.edu)       (o o)      Moo.... 
|  |   |  |__|  |  PhD Student. Research Asst.  o=======\ /  I'm  a Cow Lover.
|  |   |        |  Dept. of Computer Science   / |     ||O   My wife  was born
\  |---|  |--|  |  University of Houston      `  ||'---||    in Cow year. Mooo
 \____/|__|  |__| _______________________________^^    ^^_____________________
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Forward from soc.singles RE: Female Wanted
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:18:07 GMT

I am posting this for a friend of mine. My friend is an Architect living in VA. He's  
looking for a Korean female preferably living in Washington D.C. Metropolitan area. 
He likes the outdoors and loves all kinds of sports. If there is anyone out there 
who knows someone that would be suitable or would like more info. please e-mail me 
at g9utxu@fnma.COM


Thanks in advanced
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: wife beating
Date: 1 Jan 1993 00:12:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <1992Dec31.211524.12884@pbhyb.PacBell.COM> armally@PacBell.COM (arvind mally) writes:
>In article <1263@blue.cis.pitt.edu> babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>>
>>In Taiwan, koreans have a reputation of beating their wives. 
>........stuff deleted
>>- jon
>___________________________________________________________________
>Jon,
>Recently, on December 28, 1992 a Korean Mr. Jae Chul Choe in Richmond
>California unhappy with his divorce and other family problems shot and
>killed 2 police officers, injured his wife and 16 year old son and then
>shot himself to death.  I have heard from one of my friends who knows a
>police officer in the San Jose area in California that most of the calls
>they get on domestic disputes are from Asian-Americans (Chinese, Koreans ,
>Vietnamese, Indians etc)...apparently it is a very unfortunate but common
>problem.

I don't understand this. The problem with wife-beating in Asian communities
is just as high as in other ethnic groups. There are many many Asian Americans
who live in California, you know.

>I don't quite know the exact reasons, however in the Case of Mr. Jae Chul
>Choe he just could not bear the fact that his wife filed for divorce, that
>he considered a shame for himself and his family .  Anyway I also read that
>he was very abusive and beat his wife in front of his children all the time
>and one time his son intervened and the last time he intervened he was shot.
>
>Domestic violence seems to be a problem in the Asian-American community in
>general.  It will be interesting to know if anyone of you has any more
>insight on this subject.

Yes, it is a problem, like in other groups too. I do not see your point.
To say that wife-beating is an isolated problem that only affects Asian
Americans is boloney. That is the only thing I could see you are trying
to say, because otherwise, you wouldn't have said, "Domestic violence 
seems to be problem in the Asian American community in general", because
you would've realized that pointing out the problem in one group is 
foolish if the problem is ubiquitous. 

>Well, Jon I don't mean to imply with all the above that you are anyway a
>wife beater!!

Doesn't this sound foolish? For you to think that others might get the
impression that he is a wife-beater because he is Korean, and therefore
you try to save face? In that case, I do not mean to imply with all the 
above that you, Asian or not, are in any way a wife beater!!!

(it sounds like you are trying not accuse him of being a wife-beater 
because your post might sound like it)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: teaching materials for korean
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 03:23:30 GMT
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand

In article <9212282059.AA07642@chimi.engr.ucdavis.edu> mahadeva@chimi.engr.ucdavis.edu (Vimalan Mahadevan) writes:


>I am interested in finding out teaching materials for the Korean language.
>Could anyone send me references or direct me to an appropriate source?  

It would be helpful if this were posted to s.c.k. for general viewing. 
Korean for Travellers phrasebooks are helpful, but there is no word for 
'horticulture' in my little dictionary of 6 000 (?) words, let alone more 
technical terms.
Kuomapsmida.
--


Brian Shaw   hrpbds@pnv.palm.cri.nz           
HortResearch      fax +64 63546731            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: aftermath of election
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:22:28 GMT

btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:

>   Here I want to remind you that it was  DJ and CY who supported 
>   the parliamentary system during the election. It was YS who refused that
>   idea 

This is not true. Here are their officail responses in 'Kwanhun Club'.
	
	YS : Let's talk later. (sounds like his typical response on many
                                complex national issues.)
	DJ : I object that system personally, but people have the RIGHT to
	     choose, so I'll obey people's opinions.
	CY : I support that system. I'll change it if I become a prez.

Happy holiday!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: RE: Parliamentary System
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:03:34 GMT

hojoon@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hojoon Choi) writes:

>Is there anyone who prefer this system?
>Then could you let me know the reason?


According to a poll (which was taken before the elction), 
35% (36%?) people supported parliamentary system and
34% (35%?) people supported presidential system.
Parliamentary system supporters somehow think that it can cure 
'Jiyok Kamjong'.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: TO: S. W. KIM (Re: To Daeshik Kim)
Reply-To: yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:08:14 GMT


In article <1992Dec22.081937.26889@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,
swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
> Subject: To Daeshik Kim
> ....

Was this article your private message to Mr. Daeshik Kim?
Why do you use usenet for your private mail? 
You do not know how to reply to a posting?

When I am reading news, usually I am tracking a subject.

Please, consider other netters.

Han
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: S.C.K MANNER-2 (Re: (CFD): GePoDong MaEul Bus (GePo Village Bus))
Reply-To: yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:41:59 GMT


In article <103001@netnews.upenn.edu>, hseung@gmbug.gepodong.or.kr
(Huh-Poong Seung) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Fellow Netters, 
> 
> It brings great pain to inform you that our trusty MaEul Bus service
> ...
> Huh-Poong Seung                   E-Mail: hseung@gmbug.gepodong.or.kr
> Chief Executive Driver             Phone: 011-82-2-000-DEPO ---- /\o
> GePoDong MaEul Bus Users Group       Fax: 011-82-2-000-GEPO --- \_/\_
> Seoul, Republic of Korea           Pager: 011-82-2-000-JIPO ----  > run!

[Sorry, netters, I could not email to Mr. Seung (hseung@gmbug.gepodong.or.kr).]
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey, Mr. Seung, I am okay with your multiple identities. 

However, you deprive other netters of the chance to reply to your posting.
I suggest you that, if you don't want to have reply mails or to hide yourself
from the public, just leave the 'from: ' and 'signature'  section empty. 
Or, if it is to maximize the effect of your article, please notify that those
are fictionary. 

If your posting keeps the same pattern, I think that should be considered as 
an intentional cheating the netters.

Han


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Christmas Eve in Seoul (Little bit long!)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:38:42 GMT

In article <BzsC66.8yI@cs.uiuc.edu> ywlee@cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee) writes:
>The more I read Hyunsuk's (Ooops, Heja's) articles, the more I find 
>his talent in writing. His imagination is great... 

I agree.  Now that he (she) has moved out of the food subject, we are
seeing more diverse point of view.  As far as I can tell, his English
writing is very decent, grammatically and stylistically.

>I guess this guy
>can work for James to write lyrics although I do not know huynsuk
>is cynical enough to qualify James' standard. ;-)

I haven't seen his poem in English yet.  And I am a bit concerned about his
Korean writing style due to his occasional spelling slips that he should
not have commited.  Judging from his ability to manipulate regional
dialects I would say he is a fluent Korean speaker.  But, judging from very
limited hangul posting that he has done, his writing is rusty.

Judging from his persistence to keep posting against the steady opposition,
I would say he posseses enough drive, or obsession, to finish a piece of
work.  Or screw me up all the way if we worked together.

He-ja-ssi,  (or should I just call you 'heja' as you requested?) could you
evaluate my speculations?

>youngwhan.

James Choi
From: zoon@cs.umd.edu (Sungzoon Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korean Slaves
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:34:09 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Dec21.175411.3386@ttinews.tti.com> sophia@sophia.TTI.COM writes:
>In the middle of a conversation with my coworker about the similarity
>between Koreans and Italians, he mentioned that during his visit to
>Italy he stopped at a village that claims to be of Korean descent.
>Although they no longer carry Korean looks, they had pictures and
>ancient clothes, etc. that prove that their ancestors came from Korea.
>It seems that some hundreds of years ago, Koreans that were captured
>during a war with Japan were sold as slaves in this particular
>providence of Italy and settled down there for several hundred years. 
>
  I heard a similar story long time ago.  Although I can't recall
 the source, the story goes like that pianist and band leader 
 Chick Corea is of an Italian descent and that he is from a family
 whose ancestors were Korean prisoners from 16th war with Japan.
 I don't know if they were sold as slaves or just followed Italian
 missionaries who returned home from Japan.

  Sungzoon Cho
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Divorce rate for Korean-Americans
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:40:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


I heard that for every two marriages in the United States,
one of them ends up in divorce.

Is there a book or report or such that lists the divorce
rate among Korean Americans ?

I am assuming that the rate among korean americans is
very much different from the rate among Koreans in Korea
so please don't combine the two into one analysis.
If you MUST talk about Koreans in korea, make a new 
subject line for it.

- jon