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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:22:54 GMT

haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock) writes:

?1;2c>You'd make your point better if you thought a little more about what you
>were saying before you typed it in.

You're right; like I just posted, Don's statement got my point across 1000
times better than I did.   I've been having trouble with my new account,
the main one being that the line noise is so bad I can barely read my
words as I'm typing them, much less edit them.  In a couple days I hope to
install a quikie mail-grabber/responder so I can do it all offline when
the clock isn't running and my characters and melting off the screen. 
Anyway...


>As I understood your final argument, you are not speaking of harassment
>based upon your gender, but rather, upon your physical attractiveness.  Two
>very different things.  I agree that there is certainly discrimination
>where a person's ability to do a job is connected with how well they look;
>and I do know it's true that many people get into positions they are
>otherwise not qualified for based upon "looking the part" or whatever.
>However, I would challenge that anyone can make a blanket statement
>regarding discrimination based on looks:  I know women who have been passed
>over for promotion because they were "too good looking" and women who
>haven't even been given a chance because they "aren't what we're looking
>for"; I also know women in important positions who would never have made it
>on ability/brains alone (the US Govt has more than a few of these charmers)
>and women who made it to the top by blood and sweat and resent any other
>woman who tries the same.  

>wouldn't doubt it is somewhat similar.  Although, I would have to insist
>that, in my experience, a woman's appearance is very often part and parcel
>of considering whether or not she's "capable" or "able" to do a job;
>whereas, I think for men, ability/capability is far less tied to how they
>look.

It depends on the job; I'd love to get into broadcast journalism someday,
but which my looks and voice, I'll be VERY lucky if it ever comes to pass.
 In general though, you are right in that it's worse for women than men.  

However, like I originally said, I never denied that at-work harrassment
is a very serious problem.  My biggest problem is with the thought that
on-the-street annoyances are really that serious a social problem when
compared to what the same women gain in many other areas of society.

I'm going to have to stop here, the line noise is horrid now and I cant
read anything on the screen. My apologies for any mistypes.

Merry Christmas,

--Aaron

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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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: Too bad the trains are in CT and you're out in the land of Wind
: and Windy Cities....

Where I have my own trains, thank you, and where the full-sized ones
are very interesting too.

Steve Karlson
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: Curses Soiled Again (was Re: Deep beliefs)
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:57:49
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Ken writes:

   In years to come, I think my younger son is going to think his full
   name is Benjamin Stopthat Wolman.

I don't know that I've ever fully accepted that my name really isn't "Mud".

	//anne//
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:10:15 GMT
From:         Graham Toal
              <gtoal%rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk%kate.ibmpcug.co.uk@KATE.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Car talk 'tween the girlz
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: >With all this phallic symbol stuff bout cars, where does a 4-wheel drive
 Duelly
: >P/U with a 8 ton winch, gun rack, 400 horspower and a "SCHWING" bumper
 sticker
: >fit into the scheme of strap on manhood or the real thang.
: >
: >                             Bud
: >                      (my truck is blue ;) )

: *swoon*

: i'm in luv.

: -jenny-

Trying to collect the set, hmmm?

G
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Boyfriend from hell!
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>her sweetie has turned out to be The Pathological Murdering Boyfriend
>From Hell, just like in the movies, and all this time he's kept her
>tied to the bed and not allowed to answer the phone  Meanwhile, he's been
>faking the occassional bit of mail to words-l to convince us she's still
>in circulation :-)
>
>G

What movie are you referring to? There was a recent release of an Australian
movie titled "Boyfriend from Hell" starring Cheech Moran in the title role,
but since that was a comedy and he wasn't the 'pathological murdering' kind,
you can't be referring to that one.

Carolyn
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:20:26 -0800
From:         Peter Montgomery <MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: An observation
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> Don't be, it's in the wrong dialect anyway.  I didn't understand it....

"You've had the biscuit!" is something one might say to
someone who has used up their last chance.

Pierre l'triscuit
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Deep beliefs
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:28:39 GMT

In article <01GSKRJCGGJS000X7T@camins.Camosun.BC.CA> MONTGOMERY@CAMINS.CAMOSUN.BC.CA (Peter Montgomery) writes:
:This is boring. I want to go out and play.


Don't let the doorknob... as abh used to say.

G
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From:         JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS
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Noah???  Oh, jeez...  What can I say?  Major attack of Brain Cloud.  8-(
I must have had Charlton Heston on my mind...and not else, assuming it's
worthy of the term 'mind' these days.               ^much
Tomorrow is the big conference with the drs. as to whether to take my
friend's father off life-support, and I'm on my way over there to, to,
I don't know, sit pre-shiva or something...  He's held on for 2 weeks now,
and if both cop's guns hadn't each jammed after the first round we wouldn't
be facing this...
I'm sorry, guys, but this has really busted my cool.  Anybody ever hear of
a retired surgeon without medical insurance?  You have now.  And my roof is
leaking.  It just keeps getting better and better...  And I had such high
hopes for 1993, too.  Oh, well, it's early yet, right?

JMW
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Favor?
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        Here's to Anne for the first e-oops of the year!

Huh?  It's 3 or 4 days till the New Year.  Are you seriously suggesting
abh never made an e-oops in all of last year?

G
PS I assume it was for Steph - but isn't she in the US for Christmas/New Year?
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Hysteria
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The folks who brought us _The Quayle Quarterly_ are planning a new women's
humor quarterly (since the raison d'etre for their current publication will
cease to exist in two weeks time).  It's called _Hysteria_ and will deal with
"Feminism, Humor and Social Change".  Hmmm, wonder what they'll have to say
about Camille.

For you Republicans on words-l - QQ reports that _Slick Willie Watch_,
_The Hillary Clinton Quarterly_, _Liberal Lampoon_, and _Rush Rebuttals_ are
all in the works.  Apparently, _Gore Gazette_, which would have continued the
QQ tradition didn't quite make it.

-rashmi
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In a previous article, LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU () says:

>>
>>An e-mail address?  A name that gets twisted by weird Aussie accents?
>>I'm not Carolyn, so I don't know....
>>
>I thought Graham said only a few days ago that he didn't read your messages
>and had often deleted mine by mistake...... perhaps he observes something
>similar about us that he's not letting us in on that is leading to his
>confusion. ;-)
>
We probably have the same taste in jokes.:-)  We certainly both give him
deadpan answers to some tasteless joke questions.  I didn't catch the Wombat
reference at first, until Frank clued me in; I've always heard that joke
about Pandas and Koalas.:-)  Graham is usually like a bear with a sore paw
this time of year anyway, so maybe we both just give him good targets to
growl at.  Actually, given his physical appearance, a bear isn't that bad of
an analogy....

[eh, fungus-face?  THIS IS YOUR CLUE TO GROWL IN, GRAHAM] :-)

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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Deep Beliefs
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  Ruth asks:

  >Having fun yet?:-)

  No, I would much prefer that you made a lot of sense. And canned those
revolting smilies.
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Subject:      Re: New Year's Good Luck Foods

On Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:16:24 +0100 <torkel@SICS.SE> said:
>  >Does anyone know the origin of this?
>
>  Natalie just made it up. She's pulling our collective leg.

   Natalie is right:  it is a tradition of long standing in the South.
   I wonder if its origin might be sociological -- hog jowl and black-eyes
   being within the reach of all households, however humble.  Just
   wondering.

  brad
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From:         Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (73
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Posted on 21 Dec 1992 at 09:47:43 by Akio Tanaka

> 3) ZX81 (Tony H.)

The ZX81 is a tiny computer made by Sinclair Research in England.  It
was quite popular around 1980.  An essentially identical model was
sold in the US as the Timex-Sinclair 1000.

The ZX81 plugs into a TV set, has built in BASIC, one (1) kb of
memory, no disk (floppy or hard), and a little membrane keyboard
on which a top speed of about ten words/minute is possible after
a lot of practice.

The ZX81 was the brainchild of Clive (now Sir Clive) Sinclair who,
as well as being the unwitting foundation for the <Sinclair> references
imagined by GGS, was the inventor of various 1960s and 70s electronic
gadgets (early digital watch, calculators, electronic measuring
instruments, etc.) and a couple of follow on computers,
none of which came close to the success of the ZX81.  An electric
car project (which turned into an electric tricycle) was a dismal
flop in the 1980s.

Clive was also active for many years in Mensa (the high IQ society)
and was for a time chairman of British Mensa.

Tony H.
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: English peas
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>   a recent movie about doctors int he jungles of the amazon (sean connery
>and some woman) makes one of its points about bringing in western diseases
>to these people who have never been exposed and who die from common colds
>and such...along with a lot of stuff about rainforests and cancer cures and
>so on.  interesting, but not a great flick....
>
>   cyclops

That was released over here as "The Medicine Man" and I enjoyed it very
much, but that was probably because Sean Connery was in it. :-)

Carolyn (who always thought she would enjoy all of SC's movies, until she
saw "The Offence".)
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: abh has perfect moment
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              in the rain" at Jan 2, 93 7:12 pm

> >The Rosetta Stone.
> >Drooling on shoes, blathering, taken away twitching on stretcher. Yes.
>
>         Been there.  Done same.  Awesome.

I'm envious of abh and Neal - closest I've been to The Stone was a scale model
at the Rosicrucian Egyptian museum (where??) this past Wednesday, wish I could
have seen the original.  Saw some interesting human and animal mummies, though.

>         Once spent a wonderful afternoon in Oslo's Munch Museum -- the
>         exhibition was organized chronologically, so you could see his swings
>         from normal to deep dark depression and back again.  I think there are
>         several versions of 'The Scream' (or did the National Gallery have it
>         on loan?).

Heh, I caught the Munch Retrospective at the National Gallery couple of years
back, and was reminded of it when abh mentioned him in her posting.  They had
several versions of 'The Scream' - had one of my perfect moments then.

-rashmi, turning green
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: My Search for Black-eyed Peas
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>
> I'm just looking for something to make on New Year's Day, that's all.
>
> Karen

Then Ranch Style brand canned ones are ok.  Mushy, but all canned ones
I've tried are, which is why I like the frozen ones if I can't get the
fresh-from-the-garden ones.

BTW, last night my brother and sister-in-law hosted an open house for many
relatives who were in Austin from various parts of the country, and one
cousin who has lived and worked in Japan for a number of years was there.
He, of course, speaks the language fluently, and I thought of you. :-)
doris
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: News from a newly non-computer-illiterate
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> a .gif without the binary indication and now I can't get it again
> without erasing the one that's there.  How to do it?  Is there
> some kind of delete command?  I keep getting a note about using

I assume you mean that you want to delete the old file from your mainframe.
Surely there's a delete command.  What kind of mainframe is it?

> And who is this *roman*?

Another sexy bearded WORDS-Ler.  ;-)
Or at least a former one.  Former WORDS-Ler, I mean.  I assume he's still
sexy.  Last we heard from him he was planning a wedding.  Then he vanished.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Brad Baxter <BBAXTER@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L TP: ABH's Science and Nature Question
              20 Dec 1992 19:41:00 +1000 from <LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU>

>Anne, I hope you have better luck with your Science and Nature question than
>Alt-Brad did.

I protest that the animal hall of fame and Lassie have very little to
do with either science or nature, and that that is why I missed the question.

>"What sort of insect is Queensland's 'Coscinocera hercules', the world's
>largest of its kind?"

Hey, I *know* this one!

* Alt-Brad *
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Date: 3 Jan 93 20:17:26 GMT
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              3 Jan 1993 11:58:20 CST from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Sun, 3 Jan 1993 11:58:20 CST Natalie Maynor said:
>for Shakespeare's works?  Is the OED online anywhere?  Thanks for any help.

assuming Shakespeare isn't at the Gutnberg site, I don't know.  OED is
NOT, at least not Legally, on the nets....OED II is available on CDROM and
perhaps in your library.  as of now they do not have a networked version,
but are supposed to RSN.  However, their networking prices will most likely
be extravagant, according to an OUP spokesperson on CDROMLAN.....well, she
didn't say extravagant, but I could read between the lines, even with one
eye....

cyclops
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In a previous article, ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM () says:

>>
>>         That Nellie must have been some kind of eater, to have *two* foods
>>         named after her.
>
>I've seen pictures of ol' Nellie from when she was the queen of opera.
>I've also heard recordings.  Believe me, you didn't support tones like
>that on a yogurt diet.:-)
>
Given the songs she was singing, and opera plots in general, it was
more like a schmaltz diet.:-)

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From:         Joan Boorstein <jboor@RA.CS.UMB.EDU>
Subject: Re: Copacetic
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Something in the back of my mind says that there is a song which prominently
uses 'copacetic' in its lyrics -- by Cole Porter???  I'm sure someone will
know or failing that there must be a dictionary of song lyrics, no?  The
only reason to bring this up is to date its usage.

Joan
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: On the shortage of lives on words-l

A friend of mine saw _Robin Hood_ (the movie with Kevin Costner) and said
that the Sheriff was the best character in the movie.

As for the listserv being down all day, the only thing I was worried about
was that my reader would be full this morning (and it was).  Another
disadvantage of this new mailer is that the mail isn't automatically read
onto the A-disk at midnight and at first sign-on. :(

Evelyn
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*** Resending note of 12/29/92 12:13

>though.  When I see a man driving a Corvette, for example, I think "How sad.

Oh oh ....I've never driven a Corvette ....but always wanted to.
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Peeing and Walls (was Re: Inexcusable favo
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> > I don't remember not knowing either [about male/female physical
> > differences]...but I have 7 siblings, so I think I simply
>
> this expensive model spent summers in our home.  I was quite
> aware of all of the interesting bits (internal and external)
> by the age of 5.
>
> --karsten

My husband just showed me a picture of a t-shirt that pictured the back
view of a little boy and little girl about to climb into a bath tub.  The
little boy says to the little girl, "No, you can't touch it.  You've
already broken yours."
doris
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From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:35:27 GMT

Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU> writes:

>> You may want to try the PC/Mac mail-order houses too; I know at least one
>> of them has the Krol book for sale.

>But that involves either a phone call or snailmail.  I don't fool with
>things like that unless it's absolutely necessary.

So try ordering it over CIS too.  GO MW or GO MZ and see if they've got it.

--Aaron
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In a previous article, harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell) says:

>On Fri, 1 Jan 1993, Natalie Maynor wrote:
>
>> P.S.  Graham and abh:  English peas are relatively small and green.
>> The best ones are the smallest ones.  Even the smallest ones are a bit
>
>Oh, you mean "petit-pois?"
>
>Actually, I call them sweet peas. LeSeur canned are my favorite.
>
I've seen those things in the stores, but never bought any.  Canned
veggies just....<eccch>  I react to those about the same way I do to
Macs.:-)

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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 10:59:05 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Packers win!
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              20 Dec 1992 17:00:00 CST from <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:00:00 CST Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815) said:
>Eagles won, so Green Bay has to win and the Raiders beat the Redskins
>next week in order for the Packers to make the playoffs.
>
   Hey, the Raiders did their part.....beautiful game.....and I hope the
Pack does it, just because of how much I dislike the Hail-To-The-Redskins
bozos....and prefer by far that their band play Hell-With-The-Redskins.....


dan the cyclops of potatoland

      who yesterday wore his raiders tshirt, raiders sweatpants, and raiders
slippersox for the occasion....
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