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From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: JJ returns...
Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:39:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I found out today that Jim Jackson has declared that he will never
play for the Dallas mavericks, and has re-enrolled at Ohio State
to wait out the year for the next NBA draft.  As for things he could
be doing, I am happy that he is back in school again, but I wish
that he could be eligible to play again.  I wonder what happens
when Dallas gets the first pick next year...how high will the two
time All-American go after the fiasco this year?
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:46:30 GMT

cs225b28@eng-nxt14.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>What about the Big Ten in 1989.  Both Michigan and Illinois made it to the
>Final Four.  Illinois had a dream team with current NBA starters:
>      Kendal Gill      Charlotte Hornets
>      Nick Anderson    Orlando Magic
>and 3 others on NBA rosters this year:
>      Kenny Battle      Cut by Celtics I think
>      Steve Bardo       Team? I know he is on a roster
>      Marcus Liberty    Denver Nuggets

	Bardo is on the Dallas Mavs.  Also, they had Lowell Hamilton,
	Larry Smith, and Ervin Small in the 8-man rotation.  Andy Kaufmann
	was also on the bench of that team (left in mid-season because
	of a blood clot), and he's possible pro material (although I sure
	wouldn't bet on it).

>Michigan had future NBA players:
>      Rumeal Robinson 
>      Mills
>      Name? For some reason his name alludes me but he is a starter for
>      the Magic.

	Michigan had future NBA players in 
	Terry Mills, Rumeal Robinson, Glen Rice, Loy Vaught, Sean Higgins,
	and Demetrius Calip.

>As I recall Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota were decent too.  I think 
>Minnesota made the sweet sixteen.

	Minnesota, led by Willie Burton, Richard Coffey and Melvin Newburn,
	made the Sweet 16 that year.  Indiana won the Big-10 that year,
	led by Jay Edwards and then-frosh Eric Anderson (they bowed out in
	the Sweet 16 to Seton Hall).  Purdue had a down season, as I believe
	the suffered a losing season, but still managed to have a Sagarin
	rating in the Top 30.

	In all, I believe the 88-89 year was probably stronger than 87-88.
	86-87 is perhaps also a good year for the Big-10, with Indiana
	winning it all, Illinois and Iowa having great records, with the
	likes of Michigan, Purdue, also making the NCAA field.

	Jazzy J
 
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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: Cajundome and US(w)L as Duke...
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:36:42 GMT

In article <8112@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
>That was a fun game.  Mike Allen's range is unbelievable.  SLU seems to be the
>Duke of La., at least in their player names.  They have a guy named Collins,
>a guy named Tony Moore, and a T.Hill! 

Glad you reminded me, Rob.  I forgot to mention that I thought the SW
Louisiana fans were some of the loudest, most obnoxious, and unknowledgable
I'd heard in a while, which makes the Cajundome a lot like Cameron, too.

>  LMU wasn't very good, though.  But I don't think anyone would want to play
>in the Cajundome, "the hardest place in the nation to play".  SLU did look 
>a little small.  It'll be a matchup of their perimeter game vs UNC's inside
>game at the Rainbow.  If Williams is on, then game over, man.

SWL is a bit small, but quick and very athletic.  The game vs UNC should
be interesting.

Olive did a good job with LMU.  He might make them good, except I'll bet
he ends up at a PAC 10 school after a good year or two at LMU.



Curtis Hill
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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Report, Volume 2
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:20:56
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:54:41 GMT

>>>>> "Glenn" == Glenn Tanner <tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu> writes:
>A friend of mine postulated that Kidd would stay at least three years
>having seen the fiasco Kenny Anderson has gone through.

  Glenn> I wish I could have a fiasco that earned me three million dollars a year.

I do too, but I would jump at the chance to have my 3 million, play
basketball from the beginning of the season, and get the adulation of the
press instead of rancor.

Wouldn't you?

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From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:03:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Dec17.005233.19874@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>In article <156@psipost.UUCP> rich@psipost.UUCP (Rich Main) writes:
>>In article <matthew.724293377@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>>> 
>>> There are two things that strike me about Hurley's shooting:
>>> 
>>>   1. While he hits the 3 reasonably consistently, it is seldom from further
>>>      than 20'
>>
>>Tell me, why should he shoot from further out when it's still only
>>worth 3 points???  He's not playing pro ball yet, so why bother to
>>shoot a longer shot in a game situation?  Of course, if you watched the
>>Michigan game, you saw Hurley stop and pop a three from WELL outside
>>the line, certainly an NBA three pointer (not the smartest shot, but it
>>fell).
>
>Two reasons it's a good idea to learn how to shoot the three from
>farther away than 19'20"
>
>1) Setting up right behind the line means having to worry about
>   being on the line. This can throw off the rhythm of the shooter.
>   Also, their feet will occasionally be on the line.
>
>2) Pulling the defender farther out means it's easier to drive
>   past them and easier to make entry passes.
>
>I'm not advocating college guards going out to 23 feet regularly,
>but it drives me crazy to see guys set up right on the line, shift
>their feet to catch the pass, and then have to look down to check
>where they are.  If Hurley is shooting in his comfort range, then
>he's doing his job.  I'll let Orin Day follow this post twice
>with detailed explanations of how well hhe's doing it.
>
>Ken B. 
>

 I would like to add my .02 to this...Reggie Miller was another perfect example
of this..while I didn't have an oprutunity to watch many Bruin games cause
I live here in the Midwest...it was rumored that while he was at UCLA(And this
could be true...) he constantly shot three during games NBA-style and made 
quite a few of them..think one game he had  at least 5 3's from NBA range.
guess that is why he went in ythe draft very high after his senior year.
Also must have come from playing his All-American sister Cheryl when she
went to USC.

Scott
From: daveyang@next06cville.wam.umd.edu (rumpshaker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Maryland info
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:20:57 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Dec14.150018.3662@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>  
mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams) writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.212431.11809@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,  
daho_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dmitri) writes:
> |> Could someone post more information about Maryland basketball games?   
I can
> |> get scores from clari.sports.basketball but nothing more.   
Specifically,
> |> how have Johnny Rhodes and Xree Hipp been doing?  Thanks in advance!
> |>                                 --Displaced Terps Fan
> 
In Response: Maryland(4-1) has breezed by lackluster teams>among them  
locals UMBC,UMES,and American. Their only loss has come against,  
W.Virginia, their first road game, first for their outstanding  
freshman(more disciplined than another fabulous freshman(sophs now) team.
Johnny Rhodes(a top 5 recruit) has shown a maturity level beyond his  
years. His specialty is the three, though he has shown the ability to  
penetrate, dish off or come up with a finesse basket. He is a crowd  
favorite, b/c he is obviously the most skilled, all around of the team.
Along with Exree Hipp( a top 20 recruit), they are the subject of fan  
approval,praises. Hipp posseses a vertical that surpasses anyone of Terp  
yesteryear.(including Walt and Len) This is mainly because of his  
frame(6'7 yet a mere 185 pds), though he does manage to hold his own  
ground. Mario Lucas(Memphis,Tenn.) has improved in each game. Though he  
looks a little uncomfortable out there(esp in press situations) he will,  
by the end of the season turn out to be one of their key bench players.
Duane Simpkins(top 15) provides relief to Kevin McLinton. He has yet to  
come up with a big game so far, and looks a little rusty.Another key  
figure could be bruiser, Kurtis Schultz, 6'6" who saw minimal playing time  
last year but seems to spark the team when the situation is unproductive.
Watch to see Md's improvement this year, They could wind up surprising a  
lot of people......(daveyang@wam.umd.edu)
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From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Subject: Re: Montross vs Shaq
Originator: tphili@c00365-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:39:20 GMT


> IFor the same reasons, folks like Luther Wright, Matt Wenstrom, and other
> 250lb+ 7' guys will have careers with East Coast NBA teams.

Im sorry, but there is no way, I mean no way that a stiff like Matt Wenstrom
will be in the NBA.  Old Matt better polish up that resume come March
when the season is over because he is going to be looking for a 9-5 job
like everybody else


Teebu

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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:58:27 GMT

lewisj@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Jeffrey T Lewis) writes:

>In article <BzGr0w.Kzo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>>>   the Badgers. UW beat Illinois by 20 points!
>>	         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	Yeah, at Wisconsin and with the Illini without Gill (in fact, U of
>>	I never lost a game w/ Gill in the lineup until the Michigan Final
>>	4 game).

>You sure about that?  Minnesota beat Illinois that year while they were #1.  I
>don't remember Gill missing that one.  

>Anyway, that was a banner year for the Gophers, beating U of I, Iowa, tOSU
>w/Burson and GOD, and eventual champ Michigan.  Led by Willie Burton's nose 
>guard, the Goph went from nowhere to the Sweet 16.

Minnesota had a great year, but the Illinois game in Minnesota was the first
game that Gill missed.  In the previous game against Georgia Tech, Gill broke
his foot either at the end of regulation or the beginning of OT.  That win
and somebody's loss moved Illinois into the #1 spot, obviously they didn't
hold it very long, but ended up #3 going into the NCAA.

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
From: drune@red7.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:07:14 GMT
Reply-To: drune@red7.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)


In article <1992Dec18.024607.18631@watson.ibm.com>, zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis) writes:
|> You are dead wrong!  First of all, When Frieter was in Michigan, the team
|> practices and drills were conducted by Fisher and Boyd. Frieter decided about
|> the game strategy. The sh*t hit the fan when Michigan lost their last home
|> game against Illinois, and the fans went berzerk, demanding Frieter to go.
 
|> When Bo Shcembeckler (sp?) asked Fisher before the 1989 NCAA tournament
|> "Fisher can you coach this team?", Fisher new he could, as he ran the plays.
|> Now, let me remind you that the TV commentators were saying during the
|> tournament.  "Fisher pulls all the right buttons and calls during the games"
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Big 8 - Best Conference?
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:13:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1gqt6tINN9qk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>I looked in the paper this week and saw the Big 8 was something like 33-3
>against Non-conference opponents.  Is this artificially inflated, or is it
>legit. dominance?  6 of the teams were undefeated, and the other 2 were over
>.500...
>
>Mike
>-- 

I think the top 4 or 5 conferences play at about .900 until January
starts.  The ACC, which is the one I follow closely, usually does this,
anyway, and I would be surprised if the BigEast, Big Ten, and Big Eight
didn't also.  So I would not say the Big Eight was the best conference
this year based on early season play.  IMHO the ACC is the best in terms
of quality of top teams (DUKE,UNC,FSU).  Big Ten is so close as to be in
a virtual tie (MICH,IU,IOWA).  I think the Big8 is a step below these
two.  They need someone besides Kansas to carry the banner.

-Will
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Big 8 - Best Conference?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:58:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I looked in the paper this week and saw the Big 8 was something like 33-3
against Non-conference opponents.  Is this artificially inflated, or is it
legit. dominance?  6 of the teams were undefeated, and the other 2 were over
.500...

Mike
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:25:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Why is it people compare Hurley to Price or Stockton, but Kenny Anderson
will be compared to Magic Johnson?  Hurley reminds me more of Magic than
Price (i.e., Price is a bigtime loser who never plays on injuries, and
Hurley has been known to play injured, and has had incredible success).  I
don't see any resemblance between Hurley and Price, but instead Hurley and
Magic.  (Maybe I'm just colorblind?) ;)

Mike
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <Bz5s8I.AF1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>Does Hurley remind anyone of Mark Price, and how do they compare?
>	Not really.  When I think of Mark Price, I think dead-eye outside
>	shooting and 3-pters.  That's certainly not Hurley.
>	Hurley is great ball-handling and finding the open man.

That's certainly what Price can do now, but wasn't he maligned as a shooter
when he was at Tech?  If I'm not mistaken, a lot of people thought he would
never be a star in the NBA because he could never make his free.....I mean,
because they thought he wasn't a consistent enough shooter.  Anyone know what
his shooting percentage was like in college?
  But I agree that they're a different package.  Although Hurley did seem to
be eyeing him with a look that said "Hey, I can do that!" when I saw Hurley
watch Price on TV at a Durham sports bar a few weeks ago.  
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.
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From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: Re: Sagarin's rating - DUH!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:55:16 GMT

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:


>This idiot has Mich. St and Nebraska way overrated. Oregon St just got
>crushed by SW Missouri St, who is not even picked to win the Missouri
>Valley.

I haven't seen the current Sagarin rating, where does he have Nebraska? I
personally think they should be in the high teens, but I'm a little biased.
They do look good this year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they make
it to the sweet 16.


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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: Montross/Dream Team and UNC/Houston
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:02:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.211336.3520@dg-rtp.dg.com> bradley@dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com writes:
>(Curt Hill) writes:
>> >>Jordan, in response to "Who was the most impressive player amongst the
>> >>collegians?" ---"Montross"
>> >
>
>We shouldn't listen to biased comments?  The why should we listen to Jordan
>talking about Montross.  I suspect at least a wee bit of bias here.

Because Jordan was there?

When Jordan answered Montross, he gave one of his "who'd you think I'd say?"
looks.  Of course he's biased.

However, my point is that several folks appear to be trying to say "Gee,
players X and Y were gods; Montross sucked."  I don't believe this was the
case.  I heard positive and negative comments about every player on that
developmental squad.

I don't think Eric's having any confidence problems from the Olympic
sessions.  I think it helped.  I think Eric's comments telling everyone that
he might not be able to play every game like he did in the NCAA's last
season were used to draw poor conclusions.


And regarding Houston, as I believe you sniped at that post as well, they
scheduled the game that way.  Plus, I also didn't mention that Houston
prepared exclusively for UNC during the week before the game.


Curtis Hill
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Should a woman coach a women's team?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Dec15.153952.27206@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:19:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.153952.27206@zip.eecs.umich.edu> rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) wrote:
> I can't believe we're actually having this discussion.  Is there something
> about having a penis that would cause a person to understand and coach the fundamentals of basketball differently from someone who doesn't have a penis?

Sure.  You have a greater appreciation for the injury potential of a
bad bounce pass.
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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: State Fossils
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:10:56 GMT

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.185222.8614@cs.wisc.edu> pimmel@eagles.cs.wisc.edu (David Pimmel) writes:
>>In article <78264@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>>Madison's Lefty Drisell, and Missouri's Norm Stewart.  Henson almost 
>>>certainly is in 4th place now - hasn't Illinois has played and won more 
>>>games at this point of the season than Missouri?!
>>
>>I doubt it.  I believe, and do correct me if I'm wrong, but Stormin' Norman
>>picked up his 600th win last season.  So unless Illinois has over 15 wins 
>>already, there is little chance he has passed Stewart up yet.  Not to say it 
>>won't happen eventually, but I don't think it has yet.  Of course, if Stewart
>>could win in the tournament he would be even further ahead.

>Here's the list for active coaches, accurate as of the end of last season.
>The 1992-93 results to date are not included, remember:

>1.  Dean Smith		North Carolina	740 wins
>2.  Don Haskins		UTEP		606
>3.  Left Driesell	James Madison	600
>4.  Norm Stewart	Missouri	593
>5.  Lou Henson		Illinois	590
>6.  Bob Knight		Indiana		588

>Since the Illini played up in Alaska, losing to NMSU in the finals, I 
>figured they had won at least 3 games up there, before starting the main 
>part of their schedule (where I think they've not been beaten yet - can 
>anyone there confirm this?).  Missouri has only played 3 games in total 
>at this point, which is why I guessed that Henson has passed Stewart.

Well, Illinois is 6-1 and doesn't play again until Sunday.  I'm not sure
how many Mizzou has won yet, but it seems likely Knight will pass Henson
and Stewart during the year and they'll end up 

4. Knight         OR      4. Knight
5. Henson                 5. Stewart
6. Stewart                6. Henson

Knight might even catch Lefty if IU wins 25+ and JMU sucks.

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu