From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: A proposed "brief statement of players' rights"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:03:29 GMT

spot@wpi.WPI.EDU (Roy W Schletzbaum) writes:

>In article <1993Jan15.235526.17858@leland.Stanford.EDU> whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes:
>>In article <C0wv36.L8s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>>>jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr) writes:
>>>Here's MY proposed statement on "player's rights":
>>>
>>>    Whereinas the mud is not a legitimate governing body having any
>>>    influence or control over the real life of it's players, and 
>>>    whereinas the mud is a privately designed and run program
>>>    providing a service for it's players, said players have
>>>    ABSOLUTELY no rights whatsoever.
>>>
>Whoa... let me make sure I stay away from any mud you're an admin on!

Ahh... the ex-now-deleted mud I'm God on has a VERY strict policy we
Gods must follow which is enforced by the Imp.  I'm probably more
restricted than most Gods on other muds. (And HOPEFULLY our mud
will be recovered somehow.... *scream*).  

>>Your statement appears to rule out the possibility that a MUD god might
>>CHOOSE to grant rights to players in an attempt to convince them to play
>>her mud instead of another.

This is fine with me!  

>And cheers to Steve for making it visible for me :)  (I've been away for
>a long time on a road trip)  I think that privacy is important to a point
>on Muds.  "Snoop"ing and logging people should be used in my opinion to
>either PRESERVE privacy (For my knowledge, unless toys are in use and 
>hopefully won't be on the mud I'm on, snoop STOPS people from snooping
>the said player (unless you have a higher up snooping you!) and would
>stop snooping in on a private conversation) or to try to catch/understand
>wrongdoings, bugs, and premature advancement within your MU*.
>Giving players ABSOLUTELY no rights whatsoever in my opinion is the way
>to give players ABSOLUTELY no reason for logging on to your mud.
>I've seen what logging without knowledge does (and had it done to me at
>one time, though I took no offence, I had nothing to hide) which is only
>spark mistrust in the administation of a MU*.  Running a MU* may be a
>service for the enjoyment of players, and if it is so, then logging would
>most likely take away some of that enjoyment.  I agreed with one post
>given earlier (I believe the status quo of such matters) which essentially
>says that (paraphrased) "Snooping will not be told to you, however, snooping
>is used for the purpose of finding game bugs, (read cheating?) and not to
>infringe on your right to privacy within our system."
>>Why do you believe that this should not be done?
>A good question I believe.

No disagreement here.  I just wanted to point out that we players (yes
I play TOO!) shouldn't expect any "rights" (silly term anyways) unless
the Imp expressly guarantees them.  

>>-- 
>>Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu
>>I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
>>indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
>>conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
>Christopher Scanlon
>[God]  Daroki@Oblivion

Vengeance- Pining for NetherMUD