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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: IBM screws U again
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:09:17 GMT

Jeff Urlwin (jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU) wrote:

: >In <1992Dec14.194153.8726@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
: >>The Radius XGA-2 card will RETAIL (not "List") for $499 because IBM wants
: >>to bleed Radius for licensing fees. Thus, IBM screws over Radius, who 
: >>will lose a lot of sales (me, for one), the typical OS/2 customer who
: >>wants a faster system, and themselves all at once.

: Don't forget that Radius will be marketting this in Canada and Europe.  I
: wonder how much of the cost to meet standards other than FCC will be
: passed on to U.S. customers?

given the price of hardware and especially software in europe when compared
to the USA the question we ask is how much do non-USA customers subsidies
the USA. or, how much did european OS/2 buyers subsidise the free OS/2 v1
upgrade offer in the US (i gather it didn't apply in europe)

if the retail price is $499 in the US then we would normally expect to
see a retail price of #499 by the usual rule of swapping # for $ which
translates back to around $750


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: reimert@santacruz.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert)
Subject: Re: Farenheit 1280 Drivers..FINALLY!
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:51:46 GMT

In article <Dec15.083643.69359@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> tom@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Tom Aurand) writes:
>Hey!  Hey! Hey!
>
>_I_ tried em!
>
>They work !!!!!!!!!
>
>Not quite perfectly.  There is some problem in and out
>of Win_OS/2 (3.1b) but I can get get there using the same
>old `close winos2 before going back to the OS/2 desktop'
>routine.  I suppose that means limited seamless windows
>functionality, I haven't gotten that far yet.
>
>Joy of joys! !  1024 x 768 x 256 on _MY_ system!
>
>The docs seem to indicate that Orchid's efforts
>were those of a single programmer. (?)  What an
>extravagance on their part!
>
>But I'm not really complaining...
>
>...THEY WORK !!!!!!!!!!

Which GRE are you running? I tried the betas on the 32-bit GRE, and the
flicker they produced was unbearable. I *know* it's not my f1280 card or
moniter, because I've had 1024x768 on my system before, flicker free.

I would be VERY happy if Orchid fixed the flicker problem these produced
when running in the 32-bit GRE.

		Scott

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: SHIFTRUN (Was OS2SYS.ini file size: Interim solution.)
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 18:06:51 GMT

Kurt Olender (olender@vivaldi.cs.colostate.edu) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
: There is now an easier way.  IBM has just released (as of Dec. 3) on
: software.watson.ibm.com, a new EWS package called SHIFTRUN.
: 
: If you put
: 
:    CALL=SHIFTRUN.EXE CMD.EXE /K
: 
: in your CONFIG.SYS, then you will get a full-screen command prompt ONLY if you
: are holding down the LEFT SHIFT key during the boot.
: 
: If you don't hit the LEFT SHIFT, the CALL times out and a normal boot
: proceeds.
: 
: So you don't have to muck with your CONFIG.SYS putting in and taking
: out CALL statements beforehand.
: 
: You can, of course, conditionally run any other text-mode full screen
: application you want (4DOS, TINYED, whatever) in the same way.
: 
: I would imagine it will show up on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu:/pub/os2/2.0/ibm/ews
: shortly.
: 

YES!  How excellent!  What a trvial program to write!  Why didn't I think
of it?

Booting from floppy over-and-over-and-over-and-over while messing with
those damn Trident drivers wasted (I kid you not) several hours all told
waiting for that damn slow floppy, and swapping disks.  (I had to boot
from floppy several dozen times over several weeks before I figured out
that Selective Install had buggered a device= statement in my config.sys).

Now if only our stupid SLIP connection was working this week...
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Are PS/2 floppy drives better under OS/2?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:10:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.012642.29068@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones) writes:
>What is different about the PS/2 floppy (controller)? I'm convinced
>that floppy operations occupy the WPS much longer  with several clones
>that I'm using compared to a PS/2 (Model 80). With the PS/2 I get WPS
>response back almost immediately after I access a floppy but with the 
>clones I can do nothing
>else for 10 sec or more until its finished with the floppy.
>I'm using both an integrated IDE and an ESDI controller for the floppy
>drives on the clones.  Anyone else notice this?

The floppy hardware on most PS/2s is indeed redesigned.  I think the
DMA works better, perhaps because of the Microchannel assist.  (I seem
to remember some minor mention of this when the PS/2 first came out.)

Rumor has it that the next group of PS/2s will have OS/2-aware (and
controlled) autoejecting 2.88 MB floppy drives.  There will still be
manual eject button.  Just thought I'd throw in a little tidbit here.

-- 
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: x54@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Markus Schill)
Subject: Re: Playing CD's through a SB
Organization: University of Heidelberg (Germany)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:16:03 GMT


I am trying right the same with a SB 2.0.
If you should find a way, please let me know.

Markus
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Can the OS/2 Prof. Dev.'s Kit CD-ROM be read from DOS?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:12:08 GMT

widow@camelot.bradley.edu (Shaun Burnett) writes:
>	Can the OS/2 Professional Deveoper's Kit CD-ROM be read from
>	DOS?  I don't have a CD-ROM drive, but if I could find someone
>	that does, I could copy needded files from the CD to disk.
>	Would this work?  Or is there a HPFS file structure on the CD?
*----
Yes, you can read it under DOS - but you can't boot OS/2 from it.
You can make floppy disk images from the CD-ROM under DOS, however,
and load that way.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: gac2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Geoffrey A. Coulter)
Subject: Re: new ATI Ultra drivers
Reply-To: gac2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 08:02:10 GMT

In article <BzG0sv.Iyn@chinet.chi.il.us> rhd@chinet.chi.il.us (Rich Derr) writes:
>screen showed a repeated pattern of coloured vertical lines.  But
>OS/2 was actually running underneath!  Being unable to see the screen

Interesting that you should mention "a repeated pattern...lines"  I
see these too, but in very different circumstances.  I have an ATI
Graphics Vantage which starts to have problems when, I think, it
undergoes too rapid a temperature transition.  It may go through a
vaiety of other problems first, but it frequently gets there in the
end.  What can be very interesting about this is that it may happen in
only one window.  e.g., I could be reading news in TE/2, then I get
the lines, I cntrl-esc, get a black screen, hit enter, and I'm back in
TE/2 because that was what was on the task list, and the visual
problems are momentarily taken care of.  Weird.

Geoffrey Coulter
From: beders@wip-sol.dfki.uni-sb.de (Jochen Bedersdorfer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: NT won't co-exist with OS/2?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:59:57 GMT
Organization: DFKI Saarbruecken GmbH, D-W 6600 Saarbruecken
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	<1992Dec16.195913.2231@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
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In-reply-to: djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:59:13 GMT


NT won't __exist ...
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From: kitchin@lf.hp.com (Bruce Kitchin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Where did my Shutdown Option go after restoring a backup?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:02:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
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Shaun Burnett (widow@camelot.bradley.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	I reformatted the drive (FAT) and then restored a backup.  I
: 	reboot to a black desktop and icons in disarray.  No biggie, I at
: 	least had my system back.  WRONG!  The WPS kept
: 	"rebooting" and there was no shutdown option.
: 
Question.  The backup you restored, was it an OS/2 made backup or was
it made under DOS or with a DOS program under OS/2?  If it was not
a true OS/2 program, it is quite likely that you lost your extended
attributes and the WPS depends heavily on EA's and will probably not 
work without them.  If you didn't use an EA aware process then the
news may be bad unless someone else has some idea.  If you did use
an EA aware process, then I have no idea of what happened.

BTW, if you did not save and restore the EA's (done automatically by
the OS/2 Backup command and by OS/2 designed backup programs), all is
not lost.  You will have to reinstall OS/2 and remake the desktop
that you had.  However, the ordinary files (data files, most executable
files) will still work since most don't use EA's yet.  Printer drivers
are one except I know about (at least the HP PCL drivers wont work
right without the appropriate EAs).

Good luck.

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng)
Subject: Joystick problems
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:42:51 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-14-92 15:38
My joystick sometimes works in certain DOS apps but not in others.  I've
made sure that everything is in properly and the problems only occur in
the same programs over and over.  What's going on?  This never happened
under DOS.

Vic
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: Mutex (multiple session Unix terminal client...over modem!)
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:14:24 GMT

In article <widow.724575583@camelot> widow@camelot.bradley.edu (Shaun Burnett) writes:
>In <17601@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) babbles:
>
>>Hello fellow happy OS/2ers (and you unhappy ones too :-) )...
>>I am somewhat amazed by the efforts of Ronald Wong and his DOS mode
>>comm program called Mutex.  For those of you that don't know, it is a
>
>	Just so you don't think Alok is raving mad :), I have also
>	used Mutex.  I thought this was a great addition to OS/2.
>
>	However, I just can't give up the functions I've become use to
>	in my current DOS comm program.  For people running a
>	"bare-bones" comm program, Mutex may be the comm program for you.
>
>
>Shaun Burnett		    |	"You can't survive on a new planet with a
>widow@camelot.bradley.edu   |	soul full of hope and fresh air you know."
>OS/2--Happy Happy Joy Joy--OS/2		-  Dr. Who (Tom Baker)

Take a look at UnixWindows for Windows!
It runs seamless in OS/2 :-)
zmodem, vt100....

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* * * * * * == Meir I. Green == AmateurPkt N2JPG@W2XO.PA.USA.NOAM
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* * * * * * =================== BC-Goliath green@smtplink.barnard.columbia.edu
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: QuattroPro Windows replaces some WINOS2 dll
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:53:32 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Scott Thomson (sat@thomson.UUCP) wrote:
> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:
> : [stuff deleted]
> : 
> : I have installed QPW fine under WINOS2 with few probs (you can't run it
> : seemless!)
> :
> I have QPW running under WIN-OS2 seemless.  I'm running 1024x768x256 in order
> to see more.  I had to up my memory requirements in the WIN-OS/2 SETTINGS.

Sorry, correction to my statement: You can't run QPW seamless on ET4000 -
Well last time I complained about it, that is what I was told.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Partitioning Help
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:31:53 EST
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu

I'm going to be getting a new machine with one large hard
drive on it (400 meg).  Can someone suggest optimal
partioning strategies that I might use?  I'm not interested
in booting DOS so I don't need any FAT partitions.  I
would like to be able to run either the standard OS/2 or
any beta version that comes along, but I don't want to have
enormous chunks of disk space lying idle.  I'm thinking about
having one partition for standards OS/2, one for a beta
version and one for my user data.  If I go with this approach,
how big should I make each system partition.  Should the OS/2
partitions be FAT or HPFS?  Should each system partition 
contain it's own SWAPPER.DAT file or can the two systems
share a common SWAPPER file located in the user partition.
Any thoughts, comments, suggestions or experiences would
be welcome.



James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 09:12:37 EST
From: Phat M Tran <TRAN@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2
Subject: Re: WinOS2 driver for the IAA display card


>    I would like to understand why there is no driver for WinOS2 using
>    the IBM IAA Display Adapter. This is a high-end (and very expensive)
>    display card (1600x1200) that we use with the IBM 8508 19" b&w screens.
>
>    There is an OS/2 2.0 driver that works perfectly but nothing for WINOS2. W
>    have to use the VGA resolution which is not the best on a 19" screen :-(
>
>    Has anyone found a workaround ?
>    Any reaction from an IBMer (like a release date for this driver :-))
>
>    Regards, Michael



I too have the same IBM ImageAdapter/A connected to NEC/MultiSync 5D
running at 1280 by 1024.  However, WinOS2 can only use 640 by 480.
Solution to this problem will be greately appreciated.

Thanks,
Phat
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: LOADHIGH: How does it work in OS/2 (simulated DOS) ?
Summary: Please help out an old QEMM/LOADHI jock!
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:18:39 GMT

I am an old hand at using QEMM's loadhi commands, but I don't understand
the loadhigh command in OS/2's simulated DOS.  How does it work?
What can be loaded high?  How can you tell what is loaded high?

It looks like it is patterned after the LOADHIGH in DOS 5.0, which I
never learned anything about.  (I always thought DOS 5.0 was a crude
imitation/hack of DOS 3.31 with QEMM)

************************************************************************
Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

	- pynq@quads.uchicago.edu, who is still costing the net
	  hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, every time he posts -
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From: kitchin@lf.hp.com (Bruce Kitchin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: SVGA questions
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:36:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.avo.hp.com
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Bennie Harris (bharris@hfglobe.intel.com) wrote:

: I don't use SuperVGA but if I found myself in this situation
: I would make a backup copy of the good SVGADATA.PMI file so
: that it could be restored if it get trashed. Just copy the
: backed up copy as SVGADATA.PMI. You may have to bootup from
: floppy before doing the copy.
: 

I find myself in essentially the same situation.  I'm using a clone
of the Video 7 1024i card in one machine and a real Video 7 1024i
in another.  From my disk backup I have the *OLD* copy of 
SVGADATA.PMI and as the original complaintant says, if I put that
in \OS2, the system hangs during boot.  The Old SVGA created the
file, did not complain and GA code accepted it.  The *NEW* (SP) SVGA
when run in a Full Screen Dos session, generates the byte by byte
identical file but when the system is rebooted, it hangs during
boot.  If I run the *NEW* SVGA from a booted copy of DOS, it
complains that the card is not supported.  SP has made a big step
backwards in this area.  As I said before, I *HAVE* tried the old
copy of the file from my backup.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bharris@hfglobe.intel.com (Bennie Harris)
Subject: Re: Looking for more info
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:37:40 GMT

rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden) writes:


.
.
.
.

[ Part of original Text Deleted]

>things about OS/2 and its Windows emulation abilities.  But, do
>windows based communications programs operate effectively?  Even
>at high speeds?  (I have a v.32 bis modem for communicating with
>the net).  Until QVT comes out for OS/2, I would be hesitant to
>switch OSes if it wouldn't work.  (I know this is stubborn on my
>part, but it is important). 
> 

If you have to use com ports 3 or 4 under WIN-OS/2 you may have
to wait until WIN-OS/2 3.1 is out since win 3.0 only supports
com 1 and 2. However as a previous WinQVt user and a registered
Unicom user I strongly suggest that you try PMCOMM if you wish
to stick to a comm program with a graphical interface. There
are also other OS2 comm programs that are PM but PMCOMM is what
I'am familiar with. It is shareware and you can ftp it from
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu under /pub/os2/all/com/pmcom110.zip. If you
browse around you will see a number of other PM comm programs.
I did notice a file called pmqvt.zip but I do do not know anything 
about it. 

If you decide to register PMCOMM you will receive a 16-bit and
32-bit version upgrade. Current version is 2.0. I'am very pleased
with the program after having used WinQvt and Unicom for windows.
I'am also using a v.32 bis modem.

-- Bennie Harris


>OS/2 _LOOKS_ good, and is being seriously considered (but I'll
>wait for the 3.1 compatible version and I have to check into
>compatibility with my CDROM drives).  I just want to know before I
>invest that it will do what _I_ need it to do.

>Any information or comments you can provide would be most helpful.

>Thanks.
> 

>-- 
>]> I love my country                   + Robert Hayden                     <]
>]> But I fear my government.           +                                   <]
>]> Blind faith in your leaders, or in  +    rahayden@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu  <]
>]> anything, will get you killed.      +    aq650@slc4.INS.CWRU.Edu        <]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Where is my welcome fold
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:59:36 GMT

Chris Collins (Chris.Collins@f366.n632.z3.fidonet.org) wrote:
> JD> Same problem on my side, but no power loss 
> during installation. 
> JD> I have installed SP on our German version with modified syslevel,
> but I 
> JD> did not get the welcome folder as described in the readme file. 
> JD> All the rest is OK (now I have a mixed German/English system), but
> how 
> JD> do I install the new ET4000-drivers without the described procedure
> using the 
> JD> welcome folder? 
> JD>  
> JD> Thanks in advance, Joerg.  
>  
> Joerg, 
>  
>      Got to a full screen OS/2 command window. Change to the \OS2 
> directory and run DSPINSTL. This will install the files for you.  
>  

1) The README does not say you should have a Welcome folder. It says that
if you have a PS/2 that came with OS/2 2.00.01 (or somthing) pre-installed
then you will have a welcome folder. It tells you to open the OS/2 System
folder and then the System Setup folder and run Device Driver Install

2) DSPINSTL will appear to work but you _may_ find you get font troubles or
invisible notebook tabs. 

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ericwolf@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric Wolf)
Subject: Re: IBM screws U again
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:10:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.194153.8726@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>The Radius XGA-2 card will RETAIL (not "List") for $499 because IBM wants
>to bleed Radius for licensing fees. Thus, IBM screws over Radius, who 
>will lose a lot of sales (me, for one), the typical OS/2 customer who
>wants a faster system, and themselves all at once.
>
>IBM is to be congratulated on yet another brilliant marketing scheme.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This is clearly a good example why Windows NT presents such a threat to
>the upper level OS market. Microsoft might just care about it's customers
>(unlike Big Blue) and take out the market right out from under them.
>
>Anybody know where I can get an NT beta???
>
>Jeff

I definitely second this!  

Is this what the will do now for sure?  Last time I heard, pricing was
still up in the air.  is this official now?

- Eric

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem)
Subject: IBM Stealth Product of the Year
Reply-To: rolfe@ldp.com
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:32:53 GMT

I thought that IBM's TCP/IP for OS/2 had the "Stealth Product of the Year  
Award" wrapped up, but now I have a new candidate.

IBM is running a promotion on a CDROM containing:

o	The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English
o	The Oxford Thesaurus
o	Oxford Dictionary of Quotations
o	Oxford Dictionary of Modern Quotations
o	Oxford Dictionary for Writers and Editors
o	The Complete Works of Shakespeare
o	The Oxford Guide to English Usage
o	The Oxford Dictionary of New Words
o	The Revised English Bible
o	Alice's Adventures in Wonderland

According to the sheet I have, it is available until February 19, 1993 for  
99.95, which is a great deal considering that the Windows version of just the  
OED is selling for over $800.00. (The CDROM is in BookManager format.)

Now, the problem is finding someone at IBM who will actually sell this  
product to you (the Form Number is SK2T-1175). I spent about an hour today  
getting bounced from one 800 number to the next, and never was successful.

Does anyone have a clue how to order what sounds like a wonderful product?

-- 
Rolfe Tessem				Lucky Duck Productions
rolfe@ldp.com				New York City
(212) 463-0029				(212) 463-7049 fax
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