Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:38:04 EST
From: <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Re: Fwd post of RE: My observations of...


>I beg your pardon! *I*'m male, and I've never seen a woman make this
>argument [to create alt.personals.gay and alt.personals.not-gay], though I
>have seen women refute men making the argument.

    ah...women arn't making that statement..well, actually some are...but
 the purpose of the post was to call attention to the problem of unwarranted
 mail, the rest was my observations, along with others, on how this net
 can be improved....

>First off, I'm sure other people have told you this as well, but why do
>you impose a name which gays and lesbians (if there WERE any on a.p.)
>reject?  Posts say *G*XM, not *H*XM, and I don't think it's just because
>"heterosexual" begins with "H" too--how many gay organizations call
>themselves "homosexual"?  Why do you think this might be?  Would you like
>us to call you whatever we, in our infinite wisdom, deem appropriate?  The
>people who insist on, and continue using this term tend to be

I thought the correct name was homosexual...sorry...I'll ask alt.homosexual
the correct name they wish to go by...wait..alt.homosexual...why
doesn't it say alt.gay/Lesbian...???
Second off,..there are homosexuals on this board, which is why the point was
made...

>How magnanimous!  If we wanted one, I'm sure one of us could do it, and we
>don't need anyone ELSE to do it or tell us where to go.

Yes, you can create one...if you wish, most of the people that wrote to me
wish there was one...and i'm not telling you where to go...

>Again, I've never seen posts with any lengths other than total body (i.e.
>six feet two or so).  Why should I have to read about someone's
>heterosexual desires"?

Exactly...why should you?  And why should hetrosexuals have to read about
homosexual desires? I think splitting the two groups up would benefit
both groups...and there would be less static.  Seriously...people
un-subscribe becuase of this point.This isn't efficient.

>Do you mean that seeing gay personal ads bothers you?  Or do you think I
>am bothered by straight ones?  Or do you mean if I don't like seeing posts
>which portray gays as being as deviant as bondage folks I shouldn't be on
>alt.personals?  Or what?  I'm not sure I follow you here.

I think both parties would be better off if the group was split. I think
there would be more harmony...I'm not sure what you mean by the bondage thing.
Bondage has its own group so that those of like interests can get together.
I'm glad that you agree that it would cut down on the number of posts you
had to read per day...and nothing is stopping you from reading this board...
or for that matter even posting to it.
    As for the getting along part...you can tell if someone is just posting
to try and piss the whole board off...just don't respond to these individuals.
I seriously believe that splitting up the two groups will create more harmony.

>Why should I have to read lesbian posts?  It's bad enough wading through
>the straight ones that have no feeling--the gay ones, even without
>feeling, are at least far less numerous.  Why do straights keep
>complaining about being overwhelmed by gay posts, when the vast majority
>of posts are straight?

straights...isn't that as bad as calling gays homosexual?  Look, the point
is "hetero.(not all, but some) don't want to read homosexual stuff... it
makes some sick...others it doesn't bother...i'm not saying i'm ok, your not..
i'm trying to convey a general feeling, and i think both groups would be
happier...they could find what they want...Its not my intention to create
5 new groups..as it has been suggested before...just one...


> >  > 2. Put some feeling into your posts. >
>Amen.  I think if this were solved, everything else would be fine.  No
>need to scapegoat gays.

escape goat gays????
I just summerized peoples opinion...I wasn't trying to haggle 1 group...
One more thing...people who approved and disapprove of my idea asked me..
well..what about bisexuals...what about em...they can post where they want..
wherever they feel comfortable... I'm not about to say to anyone..you cannot
post here or there...I just thing a split would create harmony, efficiency and
the split would work much better than the current system.

^Smitty checks his reader...
It has just been suggested to me, that i should bring this subject up to
  the administration...so that..i will do...


once again, thank you for your time.
Smitty...
Newsgroups: alt.personals,alt.personals.ads