From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Gentile Christianity
Date: 25 Sep 92 15:58:22 GMT
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To: Donna D'Iorio

KM>I never said they were no longer relevant, but they have to change.
KM>How can you not celebrate a Passover and realize that Christ fulfilled i

 DD=>    Why do they have to change?  They are prophetic pictures of 
 DD=>*G-d's*
 DD=>APPOINTED SEASONS.  What Passover pictures is exactly what 
 DD=>happened.

One need only recognize what the Passover is really all about before making 
such statements.  For one it has changed dramatically.  We do not each roast 
a lamb in our homes and eat all of before morning.  We no longer apply the 
blood to the door posts of our homes etc..

However, the symbolism is still there, and it is applied to the Blood of 
Yeshua that is applied to our hearts, the entrance way to our souls, and it 
is the Blood of the Lamb which delivers us evil etc...

And, the passover celebration or seder, is still in order for it is a 
memorial feast of the Great deliverance from Egypt, in which all Jews were 
in the loins of their fathers in bondage with them.  Hence the celebration 
goes on commerating the great deeds of G-d Almighty to our people... So it 
is not just type and shadows, but actually commeration like the 4th of July.
 
Why do we celebrate the 4th of July in the USA?  A remembrance of our 
deliverance and independence... Same for passover...

 DD=>A Messianic Passover clearly demonstrates the Messiah's 
 DD=>full-fillment of
 DD=>each and every element.  You should go to a Messianic Passover 
 DD=>Sedar and
 DD=>see first hand how much more relevant to our faith is this 
 DD=>observance

Of course while the symbols do represent the body and blood of Messiah, and 
He used the Passover table, to demonstrate G-d's up and coming deliverance, 
He also said as often as you do this do this in remembrance of me.  What 
were they doing?  Observing the Passover, of which the highlight is the 
killing of the passover lamb...

Hence the communion elements of Wine and unleavened bread while symbols of 
His body and blood, do not in fact cover the entire remembrance or story.
The reason that his body and blood do that is wrapped up in the killing of
the Passover lamb which every family took to their homes 4 days before
Passover, on the 10th Day of Nissan, and thereby identified with that
lamb as a part of their family before the killing...

Of course, for the non Jewish believers it is not necessary, but as the 
Apostles taught in Acts 15, if they want to know more they can find out from 
Synagogues, and we recommend Messianic Synagogues...

 DD=>than the typical "Easter" or "Resurrection Sunday" observances. I 
 DD=>have
 DD=>nothing against the re-enactments which are typical observance in
 DD=>Gentiles churches, but Scripture NEVER issued the change. This 
 DD=>was a
 DD=>man-initiated change that leaves Gentile believers absolutely 

The Easter or Resurrection type services that i have attended are not non 
scriptural either Donna, in that the contatas, and the sermons re enact the 
 
last passover, and the death of Messiah and His resurrection as found in the
 
New covenant. 

However, no changes have been made by scripture, but scripture does give the 
Gospel and the gentiles to freedom to express these things within their own 
culture as we are fighting for that same right within ours.  Acts 15

However, once in place the majority always wants to impose their way on the 
minority within any movement, and that is what is wrong.  So we over react 
and then we make statements that only involve MJ's and it is taken out of 
context, to mean that we should no longer involve ourselves in the 
scriptural methodology for Jews but come along and do it non jewish style 
for "unity".  When the scripture is plain:
"The middle wall of partition is broken down between the Jew and the 
Gentile"  Hence the gentiles do not need to stay in the outer court like 
they like to do, but can come into the Court of Israel.  But don't come in 
and attempt to fashion it like the Court of the Gentiles.  (grin)

 


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