From: mikael@udac.uu.se (Mikael Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala University, Sweden
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.123425.24563@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>How this ugly history reflects in today's Sweden. Let us take as an
>example Nazi-Germany, over there, the germans were 
>ethnic group over the others and all others were lower them.
>
>Swedish governement follows the very same pattern:
> swedish is the only language which
>is given  a status of mother language in Sweden, all other languages spoken in
>Sweden are given a lower status  "home-language" even then when a language
> is  an other original language of Sweden like finnish and saami.
>But when you deal with "the nazis in reserve" like it is sometimes said
>what can you add to that.

So, now we are also Nazis (all right, a modern more gentle version, but 
still). We have "cleaned" Sweden, and are still doing it it seems.
The list of ugly words about Sweden grows longer and longer. I still
remember the word genocide in a posting a few months ago, I just can't get
that out of my mind.

Help me with one thing though, what is a "nazi in reserve" ?

>Do you not see how this rasist thinking style of Nazi-Germany
> has taken just an other more "civilized " form in Sweden.
>It does not make it acceptable, even if Sweden pays large sums for
>UN in order to get good positions in its administration.

Do you know the meaning of the word "racism" ? It seems not, what you 
describe could be called discrimination, but it does not have to depend 
on racism. Off course, in todays world you have to use the strongest word 
available, otherwise noone will notice you...


>A Sweden's swede is  so indoctrinated  of "swedish superiority"
   ===============
Does this mean ALL of us, what is that if not prejudice? But you are right
we are the best, the strongest and we are always right, we never fail, we 
never give up, we and only we have real sisu.  That's it, face it ;-) ;-) ;-)
;-) * 10000000 a lot of smileys!!

>that he/she has often no idea that there is any other 
> people  than swedish speaking people in Sweden originally... ingen aaaning!
>The history is of course  written from Sweden's swedish point of view and
>this manipulation is of course seen from the reactions of Sweden's swedes
>even on this net.

Not Sweden swedes alone though...

Just wondering. You have a lot of criticism, you use mighty strong (
offensive I might add) words but do you have any plans? Should Sweden copy
finnish bilingual laws for example? We could discuss that by all means, but 
I do not think that the kind of language you use will get you - or your 
cause - very far. What you will accomplish is just to stir up unproductive 
controversy (you already did in fact).

If the only way you can discuss this topic is by offending everybody in 
Sweden then I hope that you will keep silent in the future. If on the other 
hand you can manage to argue for your cause in a more constructive (and less 
offensive) way I will find it interesting to follow the discussion that will 
result from it.

>Well, I think only international pressure can change the politics of 
>Swedish  governement and administration.

Let's see what happens.

>In this sence of course Finland is in a very important role.

>Regards,
>Jarmo Ryyti
>En finndj{vel

I hope that no Swede will revert to the kind of arguments that Jarmo 
uses, there is no point in offending every finn because of the words of one 
single person. Remember: the words of one person can never be made into the 
words of a whole nation.
I can't believe that Yugoslavia comes to my mind when I read postings in 
this group, if you ever tried reading soc.culture.yugoslavia you know what I 
mean, you will also know what it can lead to. Fortunately in this group there
is only one person that achieves this deja vu feeling within me.

Enough said,

Ciao   /Mikael

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