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From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: RECIPE: (LACTO-VEG) Saturn Stew
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:19:09 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

This  one  was  one  of my favourite recipes before I became Vegan. I tried
it  with  Soya cheese recently and it just didn't make the grade, it relies
on the high fat content of the cheese.

It  isn't  really  a  stew,  you could call it a curry or even a pizza, but
you would still be wrong! Again it is one of my "unethnic" specials.


4 tablespoons	Vegetables oil
3 cloves	Garlic, crushed
1 large		Spanish Onion, chopped
2 medium	fresh green chillies, chopped
1/2 inch	Grated ginger
3 teaspoons	Cummin
2 teaspoons	Coriander
1 teaspoon	Tumeric
2 teaspoons	Paprika
1 teaspoon	Chilli Powder
2 large		Courgettes chopped
1-1/2  cans	chopped tomatoes
1 cup		water
3 teaspoons	Oregano
1 teaspoon	Rosemary
1 teaspoon	Ground Black pepper
2 cups		Russian brown or green lentils (the largish ones)
			soaked overnight in hot water
1/2 cup		Sweetcorn
2 tabelespoons	tomato puree
2 cups		grated Vegetarian Cheddar cheese


Fry  all  the  spices  in  the hot oil in a pan with a large base. A frying
pan  with  a  large  lip  is  ideal.  Add  the chillies, garlic, ginger and
onions.  Fry  till  the  spices are well combined. Add the courgettes and a
little  water  if  necessary  to stop the masala burning. Add the tomatoes,
herbs  and  the  lentils.  Cook till the lentils are tender adding water as
necessary.  Add  the  sweetcorn  and  the tomato puree. The resulting gunge
should  be  moderately  thick  with  little  excess fluid. Place the grated
cheese  over  the  mixture. Place a lid over the frypan and simmer till all
the cheese has melted over the mixture.

You  should  be  able  to  get the "stew" out with an egg flip and a knife,
cutting  sections  out  as  if  it was some kind of mutated pizza. Serve on
its own or on a bed of short grain brown rice.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:28:24 -0400 
From: "David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue

Gary Flake writes:

>Oh, do tell! I suppose he shot Kennedy. He did! Frank Purdue was seen
>on the grassy knoll!!!

>But seriously, (Let me see, how can I say this) SOOOOO WHAT!!!!
>If (That's IF) Purdue is a criminal like you say, then I agree
>that something should be done about him. BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE
>TO DO WITH KILLING CHICKENS!!! I will say it again. I like the fact
>that I can go to the store after a long day and eat some dead chicken.
>If I had to kill every damn thing that I ate I would never finish
>up my dissertation.

>Oh yes. I forgot. I'm supposed be concerned with the feelings of
>chickens. (A dog is a pig is a rat is a boy...) Wrong. If a chicken
>ever starts to recite poetry then come and see me. I'll consider
>it's feelings. Until then, let's eat meat.

Do you think you could state your opinion in a less inflammatory,
obnoxious, and offensive way?  Or is it just your nature?

Also, I suggest you learn a little bit about factory farms and chickens
before spouting your drivel. 

Dave.
Where's Tim Miley when you need him.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: crussel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carol A Russell)
Subject: Broccoli Intolerance
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:44:08 GMT

I would be very interested in seeing replies to the gentleman who posted about
his wife's intolerance to broccoli - abdominal pains, etc.  I have developed
such a problem, also - about a year ago I started becoming very ill every time
I ate ANYTHING with any form of broccoli in it (raw or cooked).  No connection,
though, to pregnancy.

Any ideas?
From: deej@gorilla.nbn.com (Donna Corner Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: rec.food.veg.d (was Re: This newsgroup)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 07:44:18 PDT
Organization: Summary Insight

491miley@gw.wmich.edu writes:

> I'm just still amazed at the number of men who believe that you can only be a
> "real man" if you eat meat.  The stigma of the wimpy, feminine, 98-pound
> vegetarian wimp is still alive and well today thanks to the "meat gives
> strength" commercial BS.  I want to be 250 pounds of muscle like those guys i
> the movies and have a big "Love animals; don't eat them" T-shirt and go aroun
> blowing people's stereotypes to heck!
> 
DO IT!!!


***********************************************************************
Donna Corner Holmes (deej@gorilla.nbn.com)
Summary Insight (Deposition Summaries) - San Rafael, CA  (415) 488-1659
***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Kamchatka Charlie
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: what rec.food.veg is all about
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:36:02 GMT
Organization: (new name here soon)

Therese writes:
>Hi, I tried to respond to Kamatchka Charlie (sorry for any misspelling)
>but email bounced.  So here's a post instead!  I believe that there are
>probably several silent supporters of Michael Traub in this newsgroup.
>At least there's one - me!  While I do believe in tolerating meat-eaters
>(my soon-to-be-husband is one), it seems that in a vegetarian news group,
>of all places, there should be tolerance of vegetarianism, of our beliefs
>and our ethics.  The flame wars have gotten so ludicrous I'm about to
>join the exodus of otherwise interested readers.  Why don't we ALL try to
>be a little more tolerant?  
>
>Therese

     Don't worry about misspellings.
     What permutation of my email address did you use?
     I was intolerant of vegetarians?

kamchatka Charlie
KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: Dairy Farms and Cows
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:57:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.114427.3968@bb1t.monsanto.com> rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>
>And at about 15 months or so they can start breeding them .
>If she gets pregnant around that time, she'll calve back at around 24
>months. Then she can join the milking herd.  Milk production will usually
>go about 300 days or so, at which point production drops (obviously this
>can depend on the cow) and she gets dried off. About 60 days after that
>first calving, you can start looking for heats and safely start breeding
>her again.
	That is damn near a constant state of pregnancy.

	Rough on the ole Body I would say.

	Who was the first brave sole that looked over at a cow
	and decide to go have a drink of that?


	
--
    bill@uhunix.bitnet 
    bill@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu 
    21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
    Fish on the Byte
From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Flour Tortillas
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:13:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


  You can wrap up a sausage in a flour tortilla with some sourkraut
  or some mustard.  Called a Taco Palaco (sp?).
--
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:33:23 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr8.022525.5891@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Kamchatka Charlie writes:
>     And another idea:  try being more tolerant of other people's habits.  Not
>everyone wants or is able to quit eating meat; a simple allowance for that fact
>might just make this group more tolerable for the nonvegans and nonfruitarians
>amongst you.

I  really  wonder  why  we  keep  getting  this  sort  of  thing. This is a
newsgroup  for  *vegetarians*.  If  meat eaters want to read it fine, its a
free  net,  but  please  remember  if  we consider meat eating intolerable,
that's *our* problem.

We  don't  need  you to tell us we are intolerant, we know we are, and most
of us are quite happy being intolerant.

If  I  wanted  to  be a tolerant liberal, I would post to rec.food.recipes,
wouldn't I?

I  wonder,  is  alt.atheism  continually swamped with bible bashers? That's
what  rec.food.veg  seems  like  to  me.  If we can't discuss our likes and
dislikes  openly  in  this newsgroup where can we? Why should we change our
behaviour to satisfy the non vegetarian readers?

To end on a note of intolerance:

I  think  *everbody*  should  stop  killing  animals  for  food,  clothing,
experimentation,  whatever.  No  if's  no but's, no nothing. If you think I
am  a  looney,  good for you, I probably am, but you aren't going to change
my  mind  just  by telling me I am. Come to that you aren't going to change
my  mind  no  matter  what  you say, so please go away unless you can leave
your  preaching  out  of  this  newsgroup.  This  is  *not* a newsgroup for
animal  killers  to  convince  vegetarians of the errors of their ways, nor
is it a newsgroup to teach tolerance amongst vegetarians, so just butt out!



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: am229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry S. Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Easter dinner
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:19:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.001929.2263
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Anyone that has a good suggestion for a main course for Easter dinner and 
would care to share it is encouraged to e-mail it to me. I'm having relatives
over for dinner and I'm a rather new vegetetarian so I don't have an Easter
dinner planned yet. Ovo-lacto is ok.

Perhaps some would like to post their recepies too.

Thanks in advance.
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: De-muffining
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:55:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: osnome.RIGG.92Apr9115543
	<23930@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU> <1992Apr9.144137.23371@rtf.bt.co.uk>
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
In-reply-to: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk's message of 9 Apr 92 14:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.144137.23371@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:

   I believe she got it from that irrefutable source, animal testing.

   Rats  apparently  die  when continually fed a diet lacking in one essential
   amino acid, even if they are fed that missing amino acid at a later time.

   Shows what a waste of time animal testing is (yet again).

I thought DfaNA stated that the animal study in question discovered
that rats put on weight faster when eating animal based proteins.  How
this result was converted to "animal based proteins are better" was
not clear.

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar)
Subject: Re: Flour Tortillas
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:11:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.181329.19129@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>
>  You can wrap up a sausage in a flour tortilla with some sourkraut
                     ^^^^^^^
>  or some mustard.  Called a Taco Palaco (sp?).

Um, presumably that's a *meatless* "sausage"....

- michael
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Dairy Farms and Cows
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:32:59 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr16.114427.3968@bb1t.monsanto.com> rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>Milk production will usually
>go about 300 days or so, at which point production drops (obviously this
>can depend on the cow) and she gets dried off. About 60 days after that
>first calving, you can start looking for heats and safely start breeding
>her again.
>
I  hope  this  will finally lay to rest those readers who consider cows can
continue  being  milked  ad-infinitum.  As any reader can probably see, one
cow  usually  has  about  eight  calves in her lifetime, over half of which
are destined for the chop.


-- 
   "This isn't an argument, you're just contradicting me!"  "No I'm not."
   
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Beef minus the cow
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:18:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.001857.20527
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Rob Beauchamp writes:>

>From today's USA TODAY, Life section, page 1:
>
>	 Next on the menu:
>	 Beef minus the cow
>
>  SAN FRANCISCO -- Tofu that tastes like T-bone steaks and veggie burgers
>  with intense ground beef flavor could be staples on the future U.S.
>  menu, a scientist predicted Tuesday.

Hmmm, most of the reason I became a vegetarian was to avoid that
"intense ground beef flavor."  I personally have always found veggie
burges better than `real' burgers!  Seems like one of the best uses
would be cost.  I never really did understand people craving meat
though.

>  So I'll go on record here as saying: This is gonna be a Good Thing for us.

I think it could be great.  By the way, has Fresh Start (The
non-dairy-breakfast-drink-in-a-regular-milk-carton?) made it to your
shelves yet?  I haven't seen it at the local safeway here in Portland,
but I had some in Arizona.  It's basically soy milk marketed for
lactose intolerant people.

Zeke Koch

-- 
                           zeke@reed.edu 
"NeXT has made it possible for Tiny Tim to over-extend himself and buy
a Ferrari for the price of a Hundai and now Tiny Tim is pissed because
the gas station attendant won't sell him gas for 3 cents a gallon."
From: omitchel@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ocie *banjo* Mitchell)
Subject: Re: De-muffining
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:37:05 GMT

In article <6APR199219133556@cc.weber.edu> JTAN@cc.weber.edu writes:
[first part of article deleted]
>	I have switched to eating a lot of rice now,
>but someone told me that I should eat meat or beans
>with it:  does anyone know why?
>
>Thanks!!!!
>
>The Tan Man

Well, white rice with beans will compliment each other's nutrition, and it
makes a tasty dish w/ a little vinegar, (yes, seriously, vinegar, trust me on
this one)  Well, that's my input, I don't know exactly what type of protien
combination beans and rice have, but I'm sure someone out there does and
will post something.  Ciao, Ocie

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From: ltaylor@blinky.East.Sun.COM (Laura Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Chicago Info. Needed
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:04:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc, Mt. View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: blinky.east.sun.com
Originator: ltaylor@blinky

I am leaving for Chicago tomorrow. Does anyone happen
to know of any good vegetarian restaurants in Chicago?

Thanks,

/laura
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 23:12:41 EDT
From: <JEFHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: NEW YORK
 <1fXf02NU0fao01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>

I've just discovered a great Chinese vegetarian restaurant. It is only
four months old. Most of the dishes are 'mock' something so that may bother
some people.

There are two other veg Chinese restaurants (that I know of), but they
are hole-in-the-wall type places. Vegetarian Heaven is quite spacious
and well decorated. The ironic thing is that I think the restaurant
there previously was a steak house and they haven't changed the decor.

It is located on 58th St. just off 8th Avenue (directly across from
the now defunct Collesium).  When I was there last week, they weren't
exactly turning away the customers. I hope they stay in business.

Most of the dishes are made from some sort of soy bean product or
wheat gluten, so they are probably vegan. It is also kosher.

If anyone has a chance to try it, please let me know what you think.
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From: dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipes
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:23:23 GMT
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Kamchatka Charlie writes (in a response to Michael Traub):

>A)  Okay, if you get SOOOOOOO...many supportive email messages, post
them.  I'm
>sure these "Supportive" people won't mind you showing them to you.  Who knows;
as> I've said before if it was six or seven others speaking along with
you; THEN
>MAYBE I'LL BACK OFF.  Until then; I will continue fighting your intolerance
B>)  Excuse us for being politically incorrect.  Just because we use the term
">Eskimo" instead of the "Proper" name for the group.  Get a grip.
C>)  IF this Carol Miller-Tutzauer has sinned by putting actual flesh products
>(NOT MILK, and please NOT EGGS) in her recipes, PLEASE POST THE EVIDENCE.  I'm
>pretty sure that with your 5+ meg of past article storage of which you're so
>proud of you would be able to post, in detail, every recipe which she has
>offered to r.f.v which has FLESH (again, NOT MILK OR EGGS) in the
recipe.  I'll
>accept two or three examples.

>Until you answer A and C to my satisfaction, don't expect me to pipe down.

I think this post is very antagonistic, and I think that Kamchatka
Charlie is being very hypocritical in calling Mike Traub antagonistic. 
It would have been very easy for you to state what you just stated in a
much less antagonistic way.  Can we ALL be a little more sensitive to
each other please?  (Yes, feel free to tell me if I mess up in this
regard.)

Dave
From: randy%rdr.com@uu.psi.com (Randy Tidd)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: LEATHER
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:50:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdr.1992Apr7.155008.4846
Reply-To: randy%rdr.com@uu.psi.com (Randy Tidd)
Organization: RDR, Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.013529.8091@news.eng.convex.com> jjohnson@convex.com  
(Jennifer L. Johnson) writes:
> [ ... ]
>
> Animal rights activists are under alot of scrutiny by the anti-animal
> rights public, so I feel we must strive to be as consistent as
> possible or we'll look like hypocrits and lose credibility.  To this
> end, 
> 
> I don't 
> [ ... ]
>   . allow my companion animals to reproduce

Does this imply that you have your pets spayed/neutered?  If the answer is  
no, read no further.  If the answer is yes, I'd like to hear the arguments  
for such action.  I've always felt that, er, modifying your pets was *not*  
supportive of animal rights, and is part of the attitude of "we know  
what's best for another species, so we're going to change them" which I  
don't subscribe to.

Disclaimer: no flames or anything here, I'm asking this for my own info.   
I've heard of this before but never understood it.  BTW I am vegetarian,  
but more for health reasons than moral ones.

Randy
randy@rdr.com
From: Kamchatka Charlie
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:40:30 GMT
Organization: Psychosis Unlimited International

Barbara Hlavin writes:

>I've been reading this group and rec.food.cooking 
>for three years, and Carol Miller-Tutzauer has been consistently one of 
>the nicest, most courteous posters in any group, and I have always 
>appreciated both her phenomenal knowledge of food and food preparation and 
>her generosity in sharing her resources. 
>
>I am disgusted by Michael Traub's insufferable rudeness to Carol among 
>others, and bored with the way he's been monopolising what has in the past    
 been an interesting and useful discussion group. 
>
>Barbara 
     Don't leave; stand up to the bozo.  If people keep running, he'll just
keep removing the group of its moderate and kindly members, leaving this group
to the insufferables.  I'd hate to see this group become a more widely
distributed alt.flame.diet.

kamchatka charlie
kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
From: saarinen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen)
Subject: Re: Protein inefficiency of chicken (was Re: UPC chicken vigil...)
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 14:44:54 GMT

packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

>In article <ac.49@apmaths.uwo.ca>, ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes...
>>one purchases meat, one is buying into an inefficient system which is 
>>pulling our world apart at its ecological seams.  Many people don't realize 
>>the real cost of meat in terms of resource depletion, since the industry is 


>An article in Nature magazine in February said this assertion is 
>so much bunk.

Please tell us what the article said. I know (from reading numerous
articles lately on this bulletin board) that the enviromental view-
point might be a big no-no here but if Nature indeed has a story of
this sort I think it should be posted. It would be interesting to see how
different it is compared to the wealth of information that is available
about the ecological impact of meat production. 


Sirpa Saarinen
saarinen@csrd.uiuc.edu
(I might go even myself to the library and check this "surprise" 
article out.)


 



Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: kck1@pyuxf.uucp (25348-rana)
Subject: Fit for Life                                                       
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 13:37:57 GMT

I'd like to ask the net users if anyone presribes to the Fit for Life 
program developed by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond.  I've just read their book
and was wondering if any of you have tried their program, or know anyone who
has, of particular interest is this "Natural Hygiene" theory, and their
ideas on combining foods.

Also, has anyone used Marilyn Diamond's _American Vegitarian_ cookbook?

Kathy Rana