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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Overheating problem
Date: 8 Sep 1992 16:07:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 6105@cs.brown.edu, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> I have a problem. Perhaps describing it as an overheating problem is
> prejudicial, so let me just describe the circs:
> 
> 
>    Any conjectures? 


John,

You certainly seem to know what you are doing, so I don't know if I can offer
much help.  However, a couple of thoughts come to mind.

1.  Is your pressure cap in good shape. i.e., is it capable of holding pressure?

2.  What is the condition of your heat exchanger?  Since it is failry cool to the 
    touch, I suspect you have good sea water flow through it (so your sea water
     pump and the sea water side of your heat exchanger seem ok).  However, if
     you have a blockage on the fresh water side of your heat exchanger you 
     would see the symptons you are seeing.

3. Does your engine have an air bleed valve on the top somewhere?  If so, you
   should ude it to get air out of the system.  For reasons I can't quite
    explain, I have seen symptons quite similar to yours on a car, and the 
    solution was to get the air out of the system.

4.  One final (long shot) idea.  Is your engine fresh water pump working properly
    (belt not slipping, no flow restrictions, etc)?


Jeff Huntington
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: BLOW BOATS and blow{}boats
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:36:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <1992Sep9.145704.14192@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon) writes:
> 
> I am truely offended by these remarks.  Just because a few go fast boaters
> have no respect for the law or common sense for that matter doesn't mean
> we are all dangerous to the boating public.  A few weeks ago I had a run-in
> with a BLOW BOATER ......
> Before you go judging all go fasts as a problem you better realize that
> BLOWIES have a few people that are problems as well....

  Well, I don't have a BLOW BOAT.  I don't have a sail boat.  In fact, to hear
  my kids tell it, there is some question whether I have a boat at all...
  But it has been good enough so far, tho once barely, to keep us unharmed and
  alive in spite of a "few" (???) of these "go fast" blow{}boaters.  

  ... all things considered, it's much easier to duck a 6-knot sailboat.  
  They're much gentler on the senses, as well.


  greg pavlov 
  pavlov@fstrf.org
  the 
  
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: billp@voyager.chm.clarkson.edu (Bill Plunkett)
Subject: Ramp etiquette (was Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:11:37 GMT

From article <1992Sep11.182322.4158@meaddata.com>, by davidm@meaddata.com (David Miller):
 
> trailering the boat.  I dock on the outside of the dock so I don't block
> lanes, and then retrieve the car.  Once the trailer is in the water, the boat
> is usually on it within 2 minutes or less.
 
> I do cuss the morons who block the ramp while retrieving their cars - 

Me too.  I intend, however, to continue the practice of leaving the
boat tied up off to the side while I go fetch the car (I often sail
alone or with my kids), even though I saw a man do this yesterday,
only to be by-passed by someone less considerate.  Problems arose when
the first person returned with car and trailer (the late-commer of
course, was still trudging up to the parking lot).  The launch road is
narrow and wooded, it's tought to turn around and go back, especially
with another trailer now coming down the hill after you.  He opted to
back down the ramp and retrieve anyway (I don't blame him) even though
it meant handing lines over lines and walking his boat around the
other.  Meantime, I had just retrieved on the parallel ramp, but had
to sit there; the late-commer was blocking the road to the parking lot.
I couldn't drive out the other way either, I had a mast up and trees
in the way.

As anywhere else, a little common sense and courtesy would go a long
way here.

-billp

From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:56:02 GMT
Subject: Re: porta-potti
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:

       Why am I always dealing with this crap? :-)

Well I'm trying to learn and understand all this stuff, but I'm not
sufficiently anal-retentive.

	Yours appropriately,

                           B.S!
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Around the World books??
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:27:12 GMT

The book referred to in the original posting is:

Maiden Voyage by Tanya Aebi (sp?)

It's available in paperback in the UK, don't know about elsewhere. Can't give
any more details because I lent my copy to someone.

I bought this book because this lady sailed around the world alone (except for
80 miles or so) in a Contessa 26 (or it's North American equivalent -
differently named I believe), and I have a Contessa 26, and was interested.
The net effect of this book was to frighten me to death, and determine never
to even think about sailing alone around the world, even on the QEII! Seems to
me that this lady did this trip for some very dodgy reasons, some to do with
being pushed into it by her ever lovin daddy. She would also appear to have
been unprepared from a mental and ability point of view. Still - she managed
it, and even got a husband out of the trip!

Better not say any more - it might be actionable - read the book...

Roger Hare
r.j.hare@edinburgh.ac.uk
From: lendy@tivoli.UUCP (Lendy Dunaway)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Boat for sale...
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:10:19 GMT
Reply-To: lendy@tivoli.UUCP (Lendy Dunaway)
Distribution: na
Organization: Tivoli Systems Inc., Austin, TX

For Sale:

	1991 Supra Moriah classic with trailer:
		21 ft in-board (ford 351 cid) open bow
		ski boat, deep sea green, apx 175 hours,
		like new condition. The tailer is a new
		tandem axle Magnum with brakes.

Details available on request. Serious inquires only. Please
contact me by email or telephone.

Lendy Dunaway
lendy@tivoli.com

hm. (512)335-1565
wk. (512)794-9070
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Splices vs Bends
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.185349.4790@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com (Don Reid) writes:
>jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>: In article <25689@castle.ed.ac.uk> ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare) writes:
>: :A buntline hitch is simply a clove hitch tied around the standing part of a
>: :rope with that ropes own fall. The clove hitch is tied with the bitter end on
>: :the inside of the loop so formed so that it is trapped when the loop is drawn
>: :tight. 
>: 
#                             Is this what you mean?
#
#
#                                 Standing part
#                                     |
#                                     |
#                                     |
#                          \----------|------\
#                           \         |      |
#                        /---\---------------/
#                        |    \       |
#                        |     \  *---|------\    * is end coming out of screen
#                        |      \     |      |
#                        |       \-----------/
#                        |            |
#                        |            |
#                        |  LOOP      |
#                        \____________/

Yes.

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: rebuilding boat refridg. Question
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:45:59 GMT

In article <9209111852.AA14896@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil> zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke) writes:
>Working with refridgeration system on a sailboat and I am wondering what
>to do about not being able to get R12 or R22 without a special permit which
>requires the ability to recapture when pumping down the system.  Is there a
>replacement which does not require a serviceman?  I have a basic rule about
>not putting things on my boat I can't fix...

(1) There's an article about refrigeration systems  in a recent (< 6 months)
issue of Ocean Navigator. I can fax it to you if you'd like. It describes a
refrigerant called R134A, which has an ozone-depletion rating of 0. Doubtless
it will turn out to have other troubles, but for now, it's the new thing.
Recent model GM cars use it in their air conditioners. 

(2) If you don't care about the environment or the ozone, you can buy up lots
of R12 right now and break the law when you do future charges and flushes of
your system. If you are careful and put service valves into your design, this 
may not be a problem--you'll release no more than a quarter can of hairspray
during your yearly service. Most people, driving their old cars, will release
more than this in a typical year. 

(3) There's also another item that's being sold to *mix* with R12. As long as
the mix is pretty high (like at least 50% R12, as I recall----but I read this
late at night) it works just as well as R12, but you can do the service
yourself. 

(4) DuPont has a real interest in developing these alternatives, and I'll bet
that if you called them up and asked for information, you'd get more than you
ever wanted...Just call Wilmington, DE information...

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Splices vs Bends
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.145726.206@progress.com> gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
>
>BTW, my fave knot for putting temporary eyes in is the stunsail tack bend.
>It's kind of a clove hitch but made differently. I find it easy
>to make and it's very secure.  Untying it is not impossible, only a
>little harder than a bowline. 

Just in case anyone cares, I expect that it's probably a "stu'ns'l tack bend,"
from it original use---attaching the tack of a "studding sail" (alias
stu'ns'l). Stu'ns'ls were extra little triangular sails that were hung from
spars that were extended beyond the yards of a square-rigger, and used only in
very light airs, because the outer ends of these spars were unstayed, so they
tended to break and carry away in higher winds...

(information courtesy of Patrick O'Brien and others). 

And I agree with gerard---it's a great knot.

My second favorite (though seldom used) knot is the tugboat bowline. I can tie
one in about 1/4 sec. 

-John Hughes
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:15:48 GMT


Anecdote time.

When World War I began, all German ships in U.S. harbors were
interned.  When America joined the war, the ships, numbering more than
a hundred, were seized. Among them were seven large square-riggers.
For some reason, the task of re-naming them was undertaken by Edith
Wilson, the wife of the President. After rejecting various schemes,
she decided to assign them Indian names (she herself a descendant of
Indians). She sent to the Library of Congress for "Indian Dictionaries"
and came up Chilicothe, Monongahela, Tonawanda, Montauk, Arapahoe, 
Muscoota and Moshulu.

Only Moshulu (or, rather, her hull) still survives. Several first-hand
accounts of her voyages were published, and one magnificent monograph
(J.F. Colton's "Windjammers Significant" - very rare). A couple of
years ago, I spent a number of hours in the bowels of Stanford's Green
Library, trying to track down the origin of her peculiar name (which
was the subject of much futile speculation by those who sailed in
her). After many twists and turns, I had the answer: Moshulu is the
Algonquin name for Tibbett's Creek, a small river in New York's Bronx
borough, now mostly paved over, I'm told.  The name is thought to mean
"small stones" or "smooth stones". The creek flows into a body of water
that joins the East River and Long Island Sound, the former "Spuyten
Devil Creek". Its Indian name was - Muscoota. Double play!

[Muscoota, by the way, was wrecked in a collision in Hawaii in 1924.
Among her few mementos is a beautiful hand-tinted photograph that
hangs above my desk.]


Now back to sheets and bends....

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: RE: 2 Batteries in charge
Keywords: not auto, full display
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:51:41 GMT



  In a strange compromise between auto and manual charging of 2 batteries,
  I came up w/ the following circuit. It is NOT auto switching, but does
  provide an indication of how much charge is going to which battery.


                         Manual Switch Battery Charging
                         ------------------------------

  
                                       \  SPDT Switch
                                    ~X  X  X~
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   ~   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~                      
     ~                                  ~               ~
     ~                                  ~               ~
     ~                 Voltmeter~~~~~~~Ammeter          ~
     ~                          ~       ~               ~
     ~                          ~       ~               ~
     ~       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[-]~    [+]~               ~
     ~       ~               -----------                ~
     ~       ~               | Power   |                B2
     B1      ~               | Source  |               Light
    Light    ~               | From    |                ~
     ~       ~               | Engine  |                ~
     ~       ~               -----------                ~
     ~       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~          ~ 
    [+]   [-]~                               ~[-]    [+]~
    Battery 1                                 Battery 2


        
      The Voltmeter and Ammeter measure the charging difference between
      the selected battery and the power source. This could also be hooked up
      for multiple batteries using some kind of rotary switch.

      The lights indicate which battery is being charged/selected.

      Ammeter is hooked up in series, voltmeter in parallel. '~' indicates
      a circuit connection.

      Let me know if this will work, or torpedo me( sarcastic grin ;) ) if
      you have any other ideas.

     Thanks!
     Scott

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From: cnader@capecod.East.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: I/O Versus Outboard
Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:03:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Billerica, MA. 
Distribution: world
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I am in the process of buying a boat in the 20 - 23 foot range and would like
some information on any drawbacks that readers are aware of with inboard/outboard
engines.

For the past 20 years, our family boat has had the same 100 hp O/B Evinrude engine
pushing it thru all kinds of seas off of Cape Cod with very few problems. In fact,
it seems as if the engine gets better gas mileage today than it did 20 years
ago. Outboards ARE durable!

The boats I am interested in today generally have I/O engines, but I have read 
a number or articles about people having to replace their I/Os after 4 or five
years. I know that outboards are generally more sturdy and have better corrosion
protection, but only getting 5 years out of an I/O seems hard to beleive.

Any info or experience about the (potential) downside to I/Os????

Also, any advice for a person buying a used boat (4 years old) with an I/O?? I
am trying to obtain a boat that was only used in fresh water, but some times its
hard to make the match between the right boat and the right kind of past usage.

Thanks... Chris
From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: New jibs (was: Awesome sailing last weekend, huh?)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:33:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey) writes:

>> Saturday. We also discovered that our heavy air jib is slower than a
>> blown-out light air jib (even sailing short-handed) in 25 knots. Sorta

>Don't take this as an insult, but have you really worked with the trim
>of your new, heavier air sail?

No insult taken. Yes, we played with it a lot. My partner and our
regular third are both highly knowledgeable trim fanatics. Our fourth
this past weekend was the owner of Dimension Sailcloth and is an
aeronautical engineer. Being the jibtrimmer on a boat with no winches
and a few trim nuts is good for upper body strength.

All Sonar jibs are the same size (modulo some allowed foot-rounding);
no gennies. So the problem isn't sheeting for a different size sail.
Moreover, we discovered this weekend that our "new" (three years old,
but only used for four regattas) all-purpose jib is also slower than
the blown-out light-air.

We loosened the halyard and moved the sheetblocks forward to allow for
lower stretchiness on both sails. We diddled with leech lines. The
sails _looked_ great (telltales all breaking at the same time; good
shape and placement), so I don't think it's trim.

On the other hand, our new main is _much_ faster in heavy air than the
old blown-out main. It keeps its shape better and is much flatter.

It may be that the additional power from the softer jib counteracts
the weather helm in heavier air. The Sonar has a big rudder, so
weather helm makes a lot of drag. The Sonar also has a big main for
the size of the boat, so a powerful jib helps balance generally. The
Sonar generally likes as much power as you can give it, consistent
with staying flat enough not to have too much weather helm. So it may
be as simple as that.

We'll find out tomorrow -- I've got to leave now to set up the boat
for our NA's. I need to do some keelwork: Another thing we discovered
this weekend was an uncharted rock. Of course, it was only 5 yards
from a visible, charted rock, so maybe we shouldn't have been in there
anyway. But, boy, did we get current relief.

David Spencer  spencer@panix.com
Sonar 404|Gem 21
From: tomm@voodoo.boeing.com (Tom Mackey)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Would like a tiny stove
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:13:32 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA


With a Seattle Winter not too far off, I am thinking of possible heat
sources for my Freedom 21.  This boat has a cabin that is, shall we
say, "cozy."  Seattle winters are wet.  And cold.

My ideal stove would be about 6 inches in diameter, and 6 inches high.
It would mount either on a bulkhead or on a counter top and would have
rails on the top to heat a back packer's tea kettle.  It would burn
bits of wood or PrestoLog and the exhaust stack would also be small,
and the stack would be easily removable so the hole through the cabin
roof could be plugged when the stove wasn't needed.  I would consider
other fuels as long as they did not add moisture to the air (like the
catalytic heaters do).  Gimbal mounting would be a big plus.

Since I'm almost sure that what I want either doesn't exist or wouldn't
work, I'm hoping someone can recommend the best compromise.  Either an
existing stove or plans would be acceptable -- Boeing surplus has lots
of stainless steel and other materials, and I used to work in a machine
shop...

BTW, I've looked at the Force 10 and the nifty stove with the glass
port hole (burns wood and such -- can't remember the name right now)
but they are both too large.  I need a "Force 2.5" ;^).

For cabin heat alone, I wonder if there are any electric heaters ...?
(I suspect that any attempt to run a heater off a battery is foolish.)
-- 
Tom Mackey       (206) 865-6575        tomm@voodoo.boeing.com
Boeing Computer Services         ....uunet!bcstec!voodoo!tomm
M/S 7K-20,     P.O. Box 24346,     Seattle, WA     98124-0346
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jadams@vixen.uucp (26070-adams)
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:22:08 GMT
Summary: Goof Off and Easy Off

In article <OLES.92Sep4103732@kelvin.uio.no>, oles@kelvin.uio.no (Ole Swang) writes:
> In article 17174@ans.net, hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:
>  
> > A simple question for all of you: If you buy a used boat, and want to change 
> > the name, is this bad luck?
> 
> No, no. But it can be a problem to get the old lettering off. 
> Good hints, anyone? The letters on my (recently aquired) boat
> look like they are of the self-sticking type, but they have
> proven very hard to remove. 

I have had good luck with removing most self sticking types of lettering
by using "Goof Off".  It's pretty expensive and should be only be used
with proper protection.  For painted graphics, I've had good results using
Easy Off oven cleaner with a water rinse.  Again, Easy Off is highly
caustic, so use protection.

Capt. Jack Adams		| Bellcore RRC 4B-259
(908) 699-3447 {Voice}		| (908) 336-2871 {Facsimile}
jadams@vixen.bellcore.com	| kahuna@attmail.com
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Splices vs Bends
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:33:27 GMT

A buntline hitch is simply a clove hitch tied around the standing part of a
rope with that ropes own fall. The clove hitch is tied with the bitter end on
the inside of the loop so formed so that it is trapped when the loop is drawn
tight. This stops the knot shaking free when a sail is flogging. The knot is
used (by me at least) as a substitute for a bowline when tying sheets to the
clew of a foresail.

Roger Hare.