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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: lords...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:55:32 GMT

In <Brr5Lo.Eyw@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
 (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:

>Just a point.  "Milord" and "milady" are French forms of address for English
>nobility, just as "count" is used in English to translate the French "comte".
>Using them to mean "my lord" and "my lady" could, conceivably, be confusing
>to a Frenchman.  \8-)

>A much more fun abbreviation of "my lord" is the judicial "m'lud".

	I've always found, "Greetings, friend!  I am Lord Eric Aarskog of
Axed Root, from the kingdom of Calontir.  Would you do me the honor of making
your aquaintance?"  It has the effect of letting people know I wish to know
their name and rank, but the "friend" at the beginning shows I'm not trying
to be stuffy.  I've never had a poor response, including the times I have
addressed rank newbies and a current Queen (minus headgear at the time).

		Erik Aarskog, Axed Root, Calontir

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >


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Subject: Rape, women, carrying we
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:40:12

>>want), but the weapon is more likely to hurt you.
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                         
>                                                                          
>This is not accurate.  Last years Uniform Crime Report, issued annually by
>the FBI, showed resistance in ANY form is better than non-resistance.     
>Further, less than 7% of weapons used in self-defense were turned against 
>the victim.                                                               

At Pensic, a loud yell should get help started your way.  I would
think that even if all the knife did was to buy you some time that
the yell, combined with the knife and the knowledge that you would
(probably) soon have help would deter most attackers in that
situation.

BTW, once you start yelling, *don't stop* till help arrives.

Stephen
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: "Once upon a Weekend" demo tape
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:12:54 GMT

In article <711615569.F00005@therose.pdx.com> Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) writes:
>JM>  From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
>JM>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>JM>  <X67yNB4w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> <archer.62@utkux1.utk.edu>
>JM>
>JM>  Greetings from Arval!
>JM>
>JM>  I must say that I much preferred the Wall Street Journal article on
>JM>  Pennsic, which used hand-drawn portraits of the two kings, to any
>JM>  video
>
>They really did this? A Mundane newspaper was that sensitive to what we do?
>Gee.... I'm really very touched!

The Wall Street Journal always uses drawings rather than photos as far as
I can tell, unless it's talking about an advertising campaign where a
photo is the actual subject matter. 

                                  Nancy Lebovitz
                                  calligraphic button catalogue available
                                    by email  (170K)
                                  nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

Get thee down. Be thou funky.
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Rapier Combat
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:02:05 GMT

In article <Brr8x3.5J4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> icklinck@cayley.waterloo.edu (Ian "Rhys" Klinck) writes:
>His Grace asks why rapier combat should be allowed  . . .
>
>3) Most importantly, the people of the Society want it! 

Perhaps that should be "*Some* of the people . . . want it."

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Basic Courtesy
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:11:02

Bertram tries to put words in my mouth by stating...

>Please, please, PLEASE -- I am NOT trying to say one should be
>overly gentle or solicitous in criticizing creative works. Pointed
>and specific critical comments are welcome while posts that boil down
>to "this 'thing' sucks" are not, in my opinion.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bertram, your message sucks.  If you want to complain, the least
you can do is to complain about what I *did*, not about things I
didn't do.  Don't put words in my mouth.

Stephen of the Grove
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From: GEN0036@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (GILBERT RICHARD)
Subject: Re: Anti-SCA/wargaming attitudes (was Pentacles)
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:51:57 GMT
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Morgan Wolfsinger proclaims to this noble gathering:
> 
> 	Greetings to the Rialto:
> 
> 	Concerning the post on certain material a Boise policeman had on file,
> I've run into both the anti-SCA and anti-wargaming types.  Often, they are
> one and the same (a person usually is 'anti' both). If I happen to get into a
> conversation with such a person, I speak in a pleasant (I hope), neutral tone
> and stress the educational aspects of the SCA (i.e. demos, historic recreation,
> etc.).  I've gotten good results on occasion with this approach.  If the person
> is totally negative, I end the discussion as tactfully as possible and mentally
> write them off as one of those folks cursed with a closed mind.  Surprisingly,
> I've found much more hostility towards wargaming than the SCA.  The best way
> I've found to present wargaming is to call it 'participatory storytelling',
> and stress the creative aspects of it.  The hostility seems directed at
> fantasy roleplaying type games, not miniatures battles or board games.

Several reasons behind this: 
    A) Roleplaying games tend to grab younger people. Gaming is something a
       lot of people are involved in at an early age, relatively speaking.
       True, there are 12 or 13 year olds in the SCA, but most of them are
       people whose parents are in the SCA (at least from what I've seen)...
       This is *not* true of gamers. And there's nothing worse than a
       redneck parent who thinks that a Child's Immortal Soul is in peril.
       The SCA generally picks up late high school or college recruits.
    B) There are way, way more gamers. The SCA is no small organization,
       but the number of copies of D&D floating around out there is much
       bigger.
    C) Movies. Hollywood has made a few (really awful) movies such as Mazes
       & Monsters, and many people actually believe the things (despite how
       bad they are)... these are basic anti-gaming propaganda. SCA has yet
       to get any such coverage.

> 	One interesting observation that I've made is that those most
> vehemently opposed to wargaming/SCA are those who follow fundamentalist-type 
> religions, or any group that follows a strict set of guidelines, usually to
> the exclusion of independant thought.  To open the mind of such a person is,
> IMHO, a greater miracle than parting a large body of water or turning water 
> to wine.  

Well, naturally; if an individual is going to be closed-minded in one
respect, they will often be closed-minded in others, too...

> 	Fare well,
> 
> 	Morgan Wolfsinger (Catherine DeMott) by my lord's net access

-Brynjolfr Myrkjartanarson, Compaignie Mercurie, Seashire, Ruantallan, East

      The unwise man thinks he will live for ever if he shuns fight, but
      Old age gives him no peace though spears may shun him. - The Havamal

          The Net: gen0036@husky1.stmarys.ca, gen0036@stmarys.bitnet
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey Oster)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Dance and Music
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:02:22 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <y#ql8bd.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>And perhaps not even then.  The existence of a hundred period scores
>titled "pavane" doesn't imply the existence of a hundred different pavanes.
>Perhaps more to the point, it doesn't imply a willingness on the part
>of the dancers to include many pavanes in their active repertoire.
>Something similar can be said about "bransle".
>

This made me think.  Yes, there are hundreds of different pavans and
bransles.  There are also hundreds of different jigs, reels and
strathspeys, but there aren't the same number of different dances.  I
learned something this weekend past at a Highland Games: the way
Scottish country dancing works is that more than one tune gets played
over the course of one dance, and it's a matter of some debate exactly
which ones.  The first tune is (as I understood it) formally set by some
umbrella Scottish country dance society, but the ones that follow are
pretty much up to the dance band.

I wonder if it might have been the same with all those bransles
charlotte and whathaveyou?

Slainte!
	- Siobhan
--
Leigh Ann Hussey Oster
leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa
"They're mine!  All mine!  And what's mine is mine!" - Daffy Duck
From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Novice seeks enlightenment
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:06:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

Unto My Lord Jeffery, doth Thomas Ignatius Perigrinus, sometimes gaciously 
called Doctor, send his greetings

It doth give me great pleasure to acquaint thee with the College of St.
Felix, a small group of scholiards, men (and women) of arms, and gentles
of divers other vocations, who do gather in that greater University that thou
dids't post thy missive from.

An thou wouldst to know more of us, then thou might do well to discourse with
our goodly Seneschal, mka Michael Carducci (621 6335).  Or, an thou
wouldst send a missive unto me, then reply thou to this missive and we shall
speak of Colleges and all such matters as would please thee.

I remain in eager hope to meet thee, and to welcome you into our fold,
and I remain

Thy Humble and Obedient Servant
Thomas Ignatius Perigrinus
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Subject: Question....
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:22:42

 AD>                 Can I use Antlers in all of my decorating?
 AD>                                                         -Derlith
 AD>         (Or is that not in period?)
     In all your decorating of *what*??  Your house?  Your body? 
 Your heraldic device?  
        Gwenllian Cwmystwyth ferch Morfudd
        Steppes, Ansteorra

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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Violence, and the use thereof in self defense.
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:50:20 GMT

Gentle Lord,

Once again, I feel that my humble skills with the quill and mother tongue 
have failed me.  I see nothing in thy miss whereupon we disagree.


In article <Ra6koB1w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon) writes:

>archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:

>> For myself, mundane legal council has advised that "shoot to stop, torso is 
>> the largest and most likely target" is a safer position to advocate than "
>> shoot to kill,"  which the jury doth despise.  Hence, my euphamistic 
>> speech.  This, and a workplace in a large beaurocracy that doth despise 
>> clear speech gives me bad habits.

>Oh!  Vidarr's shoe, I'm not advocating 'shooting to kill' - didn't
>think we were talking about shooting at all, since most people
>aren't carrying firearms.  

I did merely seek to address the difficulty of some gentles, who truly live 
up to the meaning of the work, and you justly corrected me.

When using force to defend, there is the possibility of the severe injury or 
death of the villian.  A gentle who has come to a pas de armes must face the 
legal and spiritual consequences of such action.
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: More Murphy's Laws of Combat.
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.712043902.F00009

TA>  From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
TA>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
TA>  <2108@tymix.Tymnet.COM> <Brsrrp.H59@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>
TA>
TA>  If you don't like archers, you'd HATE mounted archers.  Ranged
TA>  attacks AND
TA>  mobility.

Those are called Mongols!  :-)

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: grimmund@edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Rape, women, carrying weapons
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:57:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul27.065753.12823
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


Thus Speaks the Weasel, Grimmund Blackwing  

	Noble sentiments indeed, O Spaniard.  Yes, there is some history 
of rape at Pensic.  It is not a happy subject, and one not often 
brought up.  However, there are (expected) 9800 people at Pensic 
this year.  With nearly ten thousand peole in attendance, there 
are CERTAIN to be problems.  Theft, Rape, and Drunken Stupidity 
are facts of life. Unfortunate, but true.
	And while a detected rape is unlikely to be a finished rape (and 
ratehr hard on the rapist, likely)  the problems lies in detecting 
the event, or better yet, preventing it.  As has been mentioned in 
other posts, the War is noisy, even at night.  Combat training 
(Army and Marine) has shown me that it is TERRIBLY easy to do MANY 
kinds of unpleasant things in a noisy, drunken environment. 
	Yes, this is a scary, sobering thought.  I'm sorry if i take the 
fun away from things by telling you this.  Me, i plan on workin 
for the Chirurgeons and Site Security alternating between the two 
for my stay at war.  But I tell you plainly: anyone sober and 
hurtful can evade security EASILY.  They carry lights, they talk 
while they patrol...they are NOT professionals, they are a safety 
net and escort service...and safety nets fail.\
	I have four female friends who have been the subjects of sexual 
assault.  My name means "fierce protector".  I tell you these 
things, so that you may tell your friends:  Pensic is fun, but it 
is NOT ENTIRELY SAFE.  There be wolves, both in the woods, and in 
the camps.  PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID.  *I* do NOT want to have to 
take anyone to the hospital or the police.  I do NOT wan tto have 
to comfort any hysterical person who had been raped, or the poor 
shocky person who found them.

Be safe, have fun, and see you at teh Troll Booth.
Grimmund Blackwing, 
Shire of Windhaven, North Shield, Middle Kingdom 
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:14:25 -0400 
From: "Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz" <ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: A new Rialto Peer

Oyez, Oyez!

Milords and ladies, good gentles all, I am pleased to have the honor 
of announcing that our Orianna Fridrikrskona has most recently been 
inducted into the Order of the Pelican. 

Her lord, Master Fridrikr, was able to keep it a secret from her and
co-erce her to the event by telling her of another gentle getting a
Laurel.

Mistresses Arianna and Ts'vee'a decided to go upon the long journey
up to Pax Interuptus to attend the ceremony. In the morning Orianna
was put on vigil.

During court one of Orianna and Fridrikr's dear friends told the story
of them meeting. It was a goodly story which often emphasised how often
Orianna was described to gentles as 'Fridrikr's lady'. And eventually
the story ended with how Orianna came by her present name, Fridrikrskona,
which means Fridrikr's woman. (oh baby. 8-) )

Arianna presented a gift from Arval, a pillow, along with a very touching
letter.

For Mistress Orianna, VIVAT! VIVAT! VIVAT!

For those who wish to send their congratulations, please send her e-mail
as her job has been very taxing on her and she's been unable to read the
Rialto recently. Her address is:   OJID.WBST845@XEROX.COM

(Can anyone tell that I'm really happy for her. ;> Toot. Toot. )

Su segura servidora,

             Esmeralda
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From: wheeler@agora.rain.com (Bill Wheeler)
Subject: miscillanious musings
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:27:57 GMT

	Greetings Gentls!

	As to the good name of the SCA being thrown into the mud (referance to penticals i.  We already are classed as a cult by police intel units and certain right     wing churches.  I think we should either sue them of ignore them.  Trying to educate    fanatics waste our time and is annoying to the fanatics, we being a polite Society we    should not annoy our advisaries.  
	For those who are humor impaired, the above is my sole opinion and does not reflect the opinions of any other.
	
	
	A self exiled member of Three Mountains.
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Regarding cameras at SCA
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:09:06 GMT

>      In closing milord, may I comment that I consider
>      it unchivalrous to *judge* another *as* unchivalrous?               
>      Their honor is their concern, milord...                             
>                                                                          
>Carolus Mediocris Malvoix                                                 
>Montengarde An Tir                                                        
>Broken thumb, testy.                                                      

Notice that this puts you in the same category.  Perhaps I'm just
testy, due to the flamewar against me, but this message seems to be
riding the edge of hypocrisy.

BTW, I would be interested in continuing the discussion of video
camers as regards fighting.  I think you have some valid points,
though their are some I disagree with.  However, to do so I would
request that we move it to Email.  My public posts are now limited
(by choice) to those who attack me.  If you wish to discuss it via
Email, write to me.

Stephen of the Grove
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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Closeting Vs. Discretion
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:38:45 GMT

In article <6BkNoB1w164w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>i ope also that you noticed that the bigotry you faced for bneiing 
>adssociated with a pagan is nothgin on what your compatriot faces fer 
>BEING a pagan.  

Gentle Lady, 
While I see that this is a common enough feeling, I must respectfully 
disagree.  To say that one form of bias or discrimination does not compare 
to another is to belittle and deny the validity of the suffering of the 
person with the "lesser" problem.


>one: paganism is no more a passtime than christianity., judaism, 
>hinduism, or any other religion is.

That depends on who the pagan, christian, jew, or hindu is.  I once dated a 
woman whom I thought to be a sincere christian who casually blew off her 
lifetime affiliation with the Presbyterian church when she started dating a 
jew, many years later.  Many people just go through the motions.

>two: i am a lesbian pagan everywhere i go.  i do not suddenly become a 
>heterosexual christian at events.  these are attitudes that i have to 
>deal with every day of my life.  sorry you got hit by them too, but i 
>would think that would make you a littel more sympathetic toward 
>religious and other sorts of minorities, having had a taste of what we go 
>through all the time, rather than blaming US for somethign that is nto 
>OUR creation, but that of heterosexual christian society.  i am no more 
>going to hide either my religion or my sexual orientation than you are.  
>fundamentalist attitudes suck.  but they are not somethign i am willing 
>to run my life around.  i choose to be proud of who i am, let the chips 
>fall where they may.  blaming pagans for fundamentalist bigotry is abnout 
>as fair as blaming women for rape.

Mayhap, but attitude is everything.  I have a aquaitance who is a 
fundamentalist athiest.  That's right: athiest.  By fundamentalist I mean 
that he goes around preaching to everyone around him in a confrontational 
manner.  There is a difference between hiding who you are and not 
deliberately antagonizing the people around you.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
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From: mfactor@taronga.com (Marco Landin)
Subject: Re: Why not "senor"?
Summary: Add spices, a few bell peppers, attach a "NI" onto it, call it a woman.
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:20:52 GMT

> ML>  and manner of carrying yourself that escreeeeams woman!
> 
> Well, at my age, it more *grumbles* it...  ;->
	
	Perhaps you should add more spices to your diet, Senora?  There's this
wonderful Mediterranean peppers that has the claimed quality of
rejuvenative powers... Legend cannot be wrong, e'?  :)
> 
> ML>     I happen to have a brass Pentacle adorning my front door.  It ward s
> Coincidentally I have a small demon head as a doorknocker. It is a miniature 
> of the one on the Sanctuary of Durham Cathedral in England. VERY medieval!
> Yet one of my not-particularly-devout friends saw it and quoth "Abandon hope 
> all ye who enter here!" in a not-quite-joking tone. And this was a SCAdian!
> (Is good for scaring away proseletizers, as you said! :-)
		
	Funny!  Once I found a note taped onto my door.  From whom I never
discovered, but it was written in thick marker on the back of a grocery
bag ( a crude but noble approximation of parchment by a mundane, I assume
nowadays ).  It simply read "Here be dragons and other foul Beasts"
	I think it was one of my neighbors -maybe the cute redhead girl- who may
have seen my friends stop by after fighter practice.  :)
> 
> ML>     Swarthy Spanish type who's MOSTLY innofensive, he just
> ML>     doesn't really have a grasp on Gaelic name genders
> ML>     (was that Gaelic?  I don't know)
> 
> Well, you got the Gaelic part right! Not all such names can be readily 
> figured out (depends on period of name) but here is a clue for both Scot and 
> Irish names. If it has "nic" or "ni" in front instead of the more common 
> "mac" or "mc" or sometimes "o'" or "Ui", it is a woman's name.
> 
> (Or the name of a poor researcher! :-)
> 
	
		YO! Thanks for the tip, Senora.  I know more now than before.
	And that can only be a good thing.
	
	A su servicio
	Marcos Maria Montenegro Del Diablo
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