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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:22:00 -0500
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From:         Nicholas Sturm <aa248@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: reality check?
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>
>sorry about mailing that stuff to the list.  you'd think i'd
>know better by now.  sorry about the waste of bandwitdth
>gary shank
>

  Not necessarily really a waste of band-width.  Perhaps several of
us will have the opportunity to peruse that otherwise would never have
seen or heard it.

  Nick


>

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:44:00 CST
From:         Gary Shank <P30GDS1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject:      reality check?

I am getting ready to give an address at AECT next week in new
orleans and I have just completed a draft of the text.  I am a bit
concerned over the comprehensibility etc of the piece, and I would
like to ask if anyone would be willing to read a copy of the text
and respond with any critical advice.   time frames are tight, so
I'd need to hear from your by Tuesday if you could.  The piece is
about defining a postconstructivist approach to ed research, esp
in the area of ed tech.
if you are willing to give it a read and commment, send me a note at
p30gds1@niu.bitnet and i'll reply back a copy of the text.  its
about 650 lines long.
thanks in advance,   gary shank    p30-gds1@niu.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:33:00 EST
From:         "Josie.Csete" <21602JMC@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Educators as Inquirers


The Educational Research List, associated with AERA, has had traffic about the
search for a list related to action research for teachers etc.  In the last
day or two, it appears to have decided that, as it does not usually carry much
traffic, there is sufficient interest for the topic to be discussed there.

If you're interested in the topic, subscribe to ERL-L@TCSVM.BITNET  I believe
it is still an unmoderated list.

Just curious, is the sudden explosion of this topic pure coincidence, or has
someone been sending out the question to a variety of mailing lists (which I
also read)?
Josie 21602jmc@msu.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:03:44 -0700
From:         JENNINGT@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Re: student views
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Michael, my vote would be to have people respond on the network.  After,
isn't this what's it's about--learning through the experiences of each
other.  You situation is may not be unique and if the rest of us are
not dealing with it now, we will in the future.

Todd Jennings
JENNINGT@CLARGRAD
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:29:24 -0500
From:         Ricki Goldman-Segall <ricki@UNIXG.UBC.CA>
Subject:      Re: reality check?
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Hi Gary,

I'd love to take a look at it. Send it! I will try my best to get it done
in time! Maybe we can talk on the phone about it... send your phone number
and best times to reach you.

Best for the New Year to you and your family,
Ricki



Dr. Ricki Goldman-Segall
Director, MERLin (Multimedia Ethnographic Research Lab)
Assistant Professor, Dept Math & Science Education
Faculty of Education
2125 Scarfe Building
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada  V6T 1Z4

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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:53:53 CST
From:         "TOM GANSER,
              UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN--WHITEWATER" <gansert@UWWVAX.UWW.EDU>
Subject:      Coding
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Coding qualitative data is basically one way of reducing the bulk of the
data to something(s) more manageable, both from the perspective of analysis
and from the perspective of reporting.  Or else, as my dissertation advisor
suggested, the only thing left to do is put all the data into a bushel basket.
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From:         David Morgan <HJDM@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Coding in qualitative analysis
              10 Jan 1993 12:43:55 GMT from <lonkila@FRANZ.HELSINKI.FI>

Markku,
  This topic interests me greatly, and I would like to see it discussed
here on the open forum. I agree that when people have essentially personal
requests, that such things should be handled through private mail. But when
a topic has such broad appeal, I would prefer to see as much of it as
possible. Of course, I would also be interested in your ultimate summary
and commentary.
  I myself use a variety of coding procedures. Most of the things I've ever
mentioned here are basically content analysis, but I've also done more
interpretive coding to build up thematic categories from the data itself, and
I done the "give a damn" approach (as I understand it).
  My own approach to the latter is based on post-it notes and "flags" (bits
of colored removable tape that stick out from the edge of the page). My reason
for using this approach is to make myself explicitly aware of what I find
interesting, so that I can begin to ask myself why I find it interesting.
Also, it helps me to find long passages in interviews (my current form of
data collection) that are not interesting to me. When I have enough time
and discipline, I go back over these "uninteresting segments" to find out
what is in them and confront my own notions that they are not interesting.
  Sometimes this leads to more explicitly coded (and computerized) analyses,
sometimes it proves to be sufficient in itself.
==>David Morgan hjdm@PSUORVM
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:16:25 CST
From:         nora l ishibashi <nli1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teacher's Stress

Hello. I am a social worker in a suburban high school. I would be happy to
talk with your graduate student about ways to deal with teacher stress. Inmy
practice here at the high school, helping teachers to understand and deal
with the many stresses they experience is an important part of my work. I
have found that giving the teachers a chance to explain what they are
experiencing and then helping them to see the more complex meanings and
dynamic processes of students behaviors is tremendously helpful not only in
reducing stress but in facilitating mutually pleasurable relationships
between teachers and students.

Nora L. Ishibashi
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:09:09 +0100
From:         Luc Dupuy <dupuyl@MIPS1.INFO.UQAM.CA>
Subject:      Re: Research methods in French
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Bonjour Wolff-Michael Roth, Ph.D.,


> Does anyone have a suggestion
>about such a textbook?


Many of the classics (Festinger & Katz, Selltiz, C, etc.) have been
translated in french.  That should help you find the books and it should
also offer some interesting comparisons.

Here are a few more that IMHO are interesting :

Michele Robert (ed) _Fondements et etapes de la recherche scientifique en
psychologie_, Edisem, St-Hyacinthe, Quebec, & Maloine, S.A., Paris, 1988,
3ieme edition, 420 pages.

Omar Aktouf, _Methodologie des sciences sociales et approches qualitative
des organisations. Une introduction a la demarche classique et une
critique_, Presses de l'Universite du Quebec, HEC Presses, Montreal, 1987,
213 pages.

G. De Landsheere, _ Introduction a la recherche en education_, Armand
Colin-Bourrelier, Paris, 1976, 403 pages.

Jean-Pierre Deslauriers, _Les methodes de la recherche qualitative_,
Presses de l'Universite du Quebec, Quebec, 1988, 153 pages.

G. Pinto & M. Grawitz, _Methodes des sciences sociales_, Paris, Dalloz, 1969.

M. A. Tremblay, _Initiation a la recherche dans les sciences humaines_,
Montreal, McGraw Hill, 1968.

L. Bardin, _L'analyse de contenu_, Paris, Presses Universitaires de France,
1977.

I hope this helps.

Salutations amicales,

______________________________
Luc Dupuy
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:23:02 -0800
From:         Michael_Roth@SFU.CA
Subject:      Research methods in French
Comments: To: qualrs-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

I am beginning to teach an introductory course in research methods (quant &
qual).  As our university allows students to do their theses in French
language education in either English or French, I would like to let my
students do their projects in French.  I would like to do some reading of
research methods in a French textbook first.  Does anyone have a suggestion
about such a textbook?


Wolff-Michael Roth, Ph.D.
Wendy MacDonald Research Fellow
Research Methods & Science Education

Faculty of Education
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, BC, Canada  V5A 1S6
Tel:       (604) 291-3046
FAX:      (604) 291-3203
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Subject:      Re: Due Process Examples

75300.3232@compuserve.com (Mich Kabay / JINBU Corp.) writes:

[...]
>SECURITY POLICIES MADE EASY might be helpful to you.
[...]

Be careful. Due process standards at state colleges and universities
are much stricter than those in industry.

- Carl


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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:07:35 -0600
From:         MARTINJ@MSCD.BITNET
Subject:      Due Process Examples

Greetings,
I have authored our campus' Appropriate Use Statement.  I now need to create
a section on due process.  That is, what rights will be respected when an
individual is suspected of inappropriate use of computing resources.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?  Does anyone know of good examples
of similar work done on other campuses that might be available from the
network?

Any help would be appreciated.

New to this list,

Jay Martin
Technical Services Manager
Metropolitan State College of Denver
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From:         Richard Lee <rlee@UAFHP.UARK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Due Process Examples
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On Thu, 7 Jan 1993, Carl M. Kadie wrote:

> MARTINJ@MSCD.BITNET writes:
>
> >Does anyone know of good examples [of due process procedures]
> >of similar work done on other campuses that might be available from the
> >network?
>

> I think the best due process procedure I've seen is from Iowa State
> University:
>
>     "Violations of the University Code of Computer Ethics are treated like
>     any other ethical violation as outlined in the Student Handbook and
>     applicable faculty and staff handbooks.
>
        One concern, however, of course, is that if someone is suspected
of sabotaging files in other people's accounts, and if due process
involves presumption of innocence until a hearing, then a lot of damage
could be done between the time the person is accused and a hearing is
held.  But since use of computers (except one's own) and networks is
presumably a priviledge, not a right, an argument could be made that there
could be immediate suspension (locking, that is, not revocation) of a
person's computer accounts while the matter is going through the campus
judicial process.

        P.S.  Thanks, Carl, for the list of on-line sources.

Dr. Richard Lee                         rlee@uafhp.uark.edu
Department of Philosophy Old Main 318   rlee@uafsysb.BITNET
University of Arkansas                  tel: 501-575-5826
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From:         "Mich Kabay / JINBU Corp." <75300.3232@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Due Process Examples
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<<Appropriate Use Statement>>

SECURITY POLICIES MADE EASY might be helpful to you.

Please send your mailing address, phone etc. to the  the National Computer
Security Association:

     Robert C. Bales / Executive Director
     Paul R. Gates / Membership Director
     NCSA / 10 South Courthouse Ave / Carlisle, PA 17103 U.S.A.
     Voice 717-258-1816 / Fax 717-243-8642
     CompuServe 75300,2557
     Internet 75300.2557@compuserve.com


Regards,

Mich

Michel E. Kabay, Ph.D.
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MARTINJ@MSCD.BITNET writes:

[...]
>I have authored our campus' Appropriate Use Statement.
[...]

Please post it here and on the Computers and Academic Freedom mailing
list. Also, it's generally a good idea to post it locally for comment.
An important principle of academic freedom is that your college
community participate in policy creation.

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

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academic/student.freedoms.aaup
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* Student Freedoms (AAUP)

Joint Statement on Rights and Freedoms of Students -- This is the main
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From:         VAUGHAN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      RE: mksysback not reinstallable

>         5 days after I had 3.2.2 running, my new drive failed.  Ok, no
> big deal, just fall back to the internal one with 3.1.7.   Well, for
> SOME reason, it wasn't working either.  I said, ok, lets use the tape for
> the bootable install.  WRONG! It turns out that the bootable isn't any
> good IF:
>
>         1) Its on 1/4" tape
>         2) Its more than 1 tape long.

   And add to that:
          3) You attempt to use it from a tape drive that is not
             directly attached to the system you are trying to boot.

   This is what I have asked about in my previous messages. We bought
a preinstalled system and wound up having to order the tapes to
reinstall, and borrow a tape drive to do the installation. We have been
down almost 3 weeks (most of that time was spent waiting on a tape.)
I was surprised that we didn't receive tapes, even though the system
was preinstalled. If you destroy your hard disk on your first system
backup, you're really out of luck!

Maryanne Vaughan
Vanderbilt University
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Subject: Re: login id generated
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:06:45 GMT


Is the question "How do you generate random id's and passwords" or
"Given a file containing login id's and passwords" (in our case,
generated by a master database which ensures that users are given
the same user id and initial password on each system they are
authorized to use) "install these users on an RS/6000"???

We made an attempt at the latter at the beginning of the September
term and are about to make another pass this week at the beginning
of the January term.

The problem with the installation of users in AIX is that it requires
non-interactive commands, i.e. commands which take their input
from, say, the command line, rather than prompting for keyboard
input.  There is such a command to install users, used by SMIT.
You can find it using the "display command" function from the
install menus.  We made a shell script, using awk, to create
a shell script consisting of a sequence of calls to that command,
one for each user to be installed.  Not sure I would want to do it
for 6000 users, but it seems to work for 50.  It requires work, though,
for handling possible duplicate id's, removing old users, etc.

The difficulty arises with regard to passwords.  We borrowed a C
program posted on the net last year, made some modifications,
and it almost worked.  This C program takes a user id and password
from the command line and attempts to install it, using library
calls to update AIX's user database (as contained in /etc/security).
Note that because IBM elected to custom redesign Unix's standard
scheme, programs designed to work on other suppliers's versions of
Unix will not work.

I say our program almost worked, because although it updated the
/etc/security files properly, it did not update /etc/password.
The "install user" command described above installs new users by,
among other things, creating an entry in /etc/password with the
password filed containing *, thus preventing a login until a password
is installed in /etc/security files.  Then, when the password is
installed, the * should be changed to !.  The C program which
I have does not do this.

Other than manually reading and writing /etc/password, is there an
officially good way, say using a standard library routine, of changing
the password field of /etc/passwd, or a way of updating the /etc/security
password database which also changes the * to ! in /etc/password?
(Our current C program uses the setpwdb, getuserpw, putuserpw, and
endpwdb C library routines to update the /etc/security password database.)

dedourek@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca
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Subject:      SLIP connections closed - why?

I've just set up a SLIP connection between my home computer and my office
machine (both run OS/2).  Everything tests out fine except for connecting to
one RS6000 running AIX 3.1.5.  I can establish a connection but the RS6000
drops it after a minute or so.  Here is the cast of characters and what
works/doesn't work so far.

name            machine                  OS
remote          IBM mod. 70             OS/2 2.0
Host A          Gateway 486             OS/2 2.0
Host B          RS6000                  AIX 3.1.5
Host C          ES9000                  MVS/XA
Host D          RS6000                  AIX 3.2
Host E          RS6000                  AIX 3.2

SLIP remote to Host A - no problem
telnet remote to Host B - connection dropped after 1-2 minutes
Xclock on Host B displayed to remote - connection dropped after 1-2 min.
tn3270 remote to Host C - no problem then from tso session;
  telnet Host C to Host B - no problem
telnet remote to Host D or Host E - no problem
Xclock on Host D or Host E displayed to remote - no problem

I suspect a problem with how Host B is configured or a "bug" in 3.1.5.
Perhaps something to do with the slow response times using SLIP.

Any suggestions (besides the obvious of upgrading to 3.2 that is going to
happen "Real Soon Now" :-) ).  Thanks.

Bill

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From:         Scott J Ellentuch <tuc@STORMKING.COM>
Subject:      mksysback not reinstallable

Hello all,

        I've been down for a week, and its all because of IBM!  I did an
upgrade from 3.1.5 to 3.2.2.  During this time, I make a bootable image
with "mksysback" just like it said.  I installed 3.2.2 on a new disk and
still had 3.1.7 on my other disk for fallback.

        5 days after I had 3.2.2 running, my new drive failed.  Ok, no
big deal, just fall back to the internal one with 3.1.7.   Well, for
SOME reason, it wasn't working either.  I said, ok, lets use the tape for
the bootable install.  WRONG! It turns out that the bootable isn't any
good IF:

        1) Its on 1/4" tape
        2) Its more than 1 tape long.

        IBM "SUPPOSEDLY" put a memo out a year ago about this.  So, why
didn't I get it when I got my tapes 2 months ago!?!?!?!?!?!?  Ok, fine,
I'll just use the recovery procedure they must have come up with.
WRONG!!!! They haven't figured out a way!!!!!

        First, the fix is to change the mksysback script on about line
365 from :
   "DEVICE=/dev/"${tapedev}.${density}
      to :
   "DEVICE=/dev/"${tapedev}.5"

        If anyone needs help to get the other copy working, I have a method
that is long, involved and by no means the most efficient.  You will loose the
file that is split between the two tapes but you WILL be able to get running
again.  Contact me if you care to help develop a better procedure.

                                        Scott
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