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From: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: Pregnancy and Wine sauce
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:00:09 GMT
Reply-To: chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO

>Last June 30th my wife gave birth to a healthy girl.  Our baby was, and is,
>perfectly normal.  During her pregnancy my wife drank wine and beer, about
>two or three drinks per week, and usually with food.  We discussed this
>with her ob/gyn who did not object.

I am glad that your daughter is healthy and wonderful.  And, actually,
I don't know whether it is a reasonable risk to drink lightly or not 
during pregnancy...at this point it is a personal decision. 

The part of your post I take exception to is one I see frequently in
misc.kids.  Your example is presented as significant.  While it may be
supportive to others, it is actually of no factual significance at all.
I am sure that someone out there can attest to taking Thalidomide and
having a healthy baby.  This group is intelligent and well read as a
whole, so I am sure that my commentary is unnecessary and probably
redundant.  However, I am so sick of reading "we did this and it was
fine" and having the surrounding text try to convince the reader that
the one isolated example is somehow valuable evidence. 

As I said, I'm glad your daughter is healthy.  This does NOT, however,
mean that drinking moderately during pregnancy is okay.  It means you
took what you felt to be an acceptable risk and won.  I am always afraid
others will actually believe that the fact that you won means they will
too.  It doesn't.

Chris
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Playground machismo (Was Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:31:43 GMT
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Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu's message of 8 Oct 92 15:17:57 GMT

Personally, I'm single because my ex-wife is nuts.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
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"I am he who walks the States with a barb'd tongue, questioning every one I
meet,/Who are you that wanted only to be told what you knew before?/ Who are
you that wanted only a book to join you in your nonsense?"  W. Whitman.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:48:13 GMT

I once met a midwife who said that denying laboring women food and fluids
in case of emergency c-section is like telling anyone who is going to drive
or ride in a car that they shouldn't eat for 24 hours prior just in case
they have an accident that necessitates emergency surgery.

Athletes carbo-load before a big work out, why shouldn't women in
labor?

Minx

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:00:39 GMT

In article <TVHHsB1w165w@depsych.Gwinnett.COM> rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson) writes:
>lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax) writes:
>
>> 
>> Girls *do* get attacked on school playgrounds often
>> enough.  I personally was attacked from first through
>> eighth grade.  I fought back every time, and made
>> sure no blow went unreturned, but my attackers both
>> outweighed me (I had skipped a grade) and outnumbered
>> me.
>> 
>> Lynn Gazis-Sax
>
>Are you sure your memory is accurate on this?  My impression was
>that anybody who fought back wasn't bothered again.  Did two or
>more heavier girls  repeatedly attack you in the schoolyard, get
>hit back every time they hit you, and keep coming back?
>

My brother was a wimp, but a determined one. He was always getting
beaten up on in school, and ALWAYS fought back. He got suspended at
least twice, and was hurt several times, but he always fought back.
He was pretty strong.

>Is it possible that either you didn't hit very hard or that you
>were doing something that made them dislike you.

What are you saying? That Lynn deserved it somehow? I cant figure out
what point you are trying to make here. First you doubt her memory of
what happened, and then to make her memory fit your impression, you are
asking the most bizarre questions. Maybe she wasnt hitting them as hard
as they were hitting her. That still doesnt change the fact that she tried 
to fight back, and continued getting picked on. 

Laura Floom

>
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson)
Subject: Re: IV or not to IV (was Re: Last week was certainly eventful!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:24:31 GMT


Linda King asked if anyone else had a problem with
nausea/vomiting during labor...I did, and it was by far the worst part of
the whole thing.  With child 2 and 3, I was very insistant on getting
something for the nausea, and it helped, but didn't eliminate the nausea
completely.  I only had an IV for the 3rd one - different hospitals,
different policies.  For me, the pain of the contractions and pushing
was relatively easy to handle, and I think it's because of 1) luck, and
2) the fact that the first time, I was battling the nausea too.  (Reading
this over, I think I might have mis-used the word easy...as I've said
before, I was very vocal when pushing...it HURT, but was just easier
to take when I wasn't simultaneously throwing up!)

Valerie
From: nooshin@naqvi.uucp (Nooshin Naqvi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: 76 "ear" thermometers
Organization: The Naqvi Residence, Morinville, Alberta, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:00:49 -0600

Hi!  When I was in the University of Alberta hospital about 3 months
ago it was interesting to see the nurses using an ear thermometers on
my new born daughter.  It was very fast. It took less than 3 seconds.
I liked them very much, but I think they are too expensive.
  
Nooshin   Naqvi                    Home: nooshin%naqvi@edm.isac.ca

"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."
                             -- Baha'u'llah
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up" 
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:04:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.001116.17987@news.arc.nasa.gov> hirsch@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Bob Hirsch) writes:
>Knew I was getting older:
>1. I was the same age as my father was when I was born.

  My son was born when I was one year older than my father was when I was born!
>
>2. I knew people who were *trying* to get pregnant instead of trying not
>   to.
  
  Same here, having friends ask you how did you get pregnant so easily?
  In the past, it was more like, "What birth control are you using?"

  Going to teach at a junior college, and wondering whether the students
  are out of diapers yet.  Having them ask you what things were like
  "when you were young..."
>
>Felt grown-up:

  Giving birth.
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Re: Year-round prison (was Year-round schooling)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:29:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


  One potential problem:  families with children in a year-round elementary
school and children in a "9-month" junior high.

  My main reservation about year-round schooling is that the kids can't
attend summer school if they so desire.  I remember classes in woodworking,
math, boat sailing, science, field biology and geology, art, etc., as well
as some high school required courses I had to get out of the way, anyway.
Of course, with budget cuts, these may have been eliminated already.
Presumably the same problems would exist for summer camps.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: HCG levels/amnio
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:18:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


I'm 19 1/2 weeks pregnant, and I also had an amnio a few weeks ago.
My doctor was adamant about our not having the amnio unless we were
willing to "use the results", as she put it.  Though her anecdotes
aren't worth anything statistically, she'd had two patients in her
practice who decided to have amnios "just to know", though they had
decided they'd never terminate a pregnancy, and they happened to be
among the unlucky few who miscarried because of the amnio.  This would
be pretty hard to deal with.

But mostly I'm posting to suggest that if you decide to have an amnio,
you might feel better if you look for an amnio specialist in your
area.  Here in the Palo Alto area, there is a person (Dr. McCallum,
for locals) who has done amnios for 15 years altogether, and has done
nothing else for the last 9 years.  His miscarriage statistics are
considerably better than the national average (1 in 500, I think,
rather than 1 in 200).  He has a lab onsite, so there is no transport
of the samples.  They've never to their knowledge had either a false
positive or a false negative.

I am needle-shy, so I certainly didn't look forward to it, but it
really wasn't bad.  The nurse did an examination using the ultrasound
first, taking lots of measurements and looking for problems.  We
didn't have an ultrasound with my first pregnancy, so this was
fascinating and put me in a good mood.  Then I was swabbed with a
topical anesthetic after the doctor decided where to put the needle,
and in it went.  It was only in for about 40 seconds.  That was it.  I
had no cramping or other symptoms, though I did take the day off from
work and read novels :-), and I didn't do any exercise or lifting for
a week.  (The genetic counselor said that many of the miscarriages
seem to follow some physical exertion.)  Perhaps I was very fortunate,
but the amnio was literally *nothing* compared to childbirth.

Good luck with your decision -

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Books on behaviors
Date: 14 Oct 1992 08:46:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>(I couldn't buy the book, though, since Will is only six months old and 
>therefore not showing any signs of being a 'social misfit.' You should 
>have heard the ribbing I took from my husband after buying Adele Faber's 
>great "Siblings Without Rivalry" when I have only one child! :-)


Well, from what I have read of "Siblings...",  I find it is practical
to use this stuff even with one.  I have changed what I say to my son,
incl. comparing him to other kids.  I think it was a good purchase on your part.

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: Summary: places to live in the USA (ratings)
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:55:58 GMT

>2. Factors
>
>The evaluation categories in Money magazine are: Health, Crime,
>Economy, Housing, Education, Transit, Weather, Leisure, and Arts.
>Some of the factors used are: Clean water, Low crime rate, clean air,
>plentiful doctors, many hospitals, strong local government, housing
>appreciation, inexpensive living, low income taxes, good schools and
>libraries, affortable medical care, recession resistance, etc.
>
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>
>3. The Top 20 Places from Money Magazine
>
>I list the top 20 places from Money magazine. Note, however, that
>different sources using different criteria come up with quite
>different results AND there seems to be quite a change for individual
>places from year to year (e.g. Oakland: 103 last year, 15 in 1992)
>which might suggest that they do a lot of improvements but it might
>also suggest weak evaluation criteria.
>
> 1. Sioux Falls, S.D.
> 2. Columbia, Mo.
> 3. Austin, Tx
> 4. Minneapolis/St. Paul
> 5. Fargo, N.D.
> 6. San Francisco, Ca
> 7. Honolulu  
> 8. Provo/Orem, Utah
> 9. Gainesville, Fla.
>10. Madison, Wis.
>11. Bremerton, Wash.
>12. Bryan, Tx
>13. Galveston/Teaxs City
>14. Duluth, Minn.
>15. Oakland

I don't understand how Oakland can be #15 in 1992. They're setting a new record
this year for murders ...158 so far.  This is more than last year with
2 1/2 months more to go.  Low crime rate must not get much weight.  Also with
California budget cuts, schools and libraries are taking quite a beating...
and isn't unemployment in California around 10% ...huh?

Also ...what happened to 16-20?  ...just curious.

diana
Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.misc,alt.planning.urban,alt.activism
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sugarbabies
Date: 7 Oct 1992 16:08:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: any correlation to sweetness of breastmilk?

In article <1992Oct6.181955.4039@ims.com> johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com writes:
>The Wall Street Journal of Tues. Sept.22 has an interesting report 
>on some recent research on giving sugar to babies.  Dr. E. Blass 
>of Cornell has found that giving sugar to newborn babies reduced 
>crying by 50%.  They theorize that the sugar stimulates production 
>of natural "opium-like painkillers" in the babies' bodies. 
>
>"It's like turning a switch; the babies quit crying the instant 
>you give them just a small amount of sugared water," says Barbara 
>Smith of Johns Hopkins. 
[...]

Interesting excerpt, and it made me wonder if breastmilk, which is
*very* sweet, would have the same effect.  Based only on my limited
experience, my son nursed frequently and cried rarely.  (Yes, it's
difficult to cry with your mouth full :-0.)

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 22 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: wtr@mitre.org (Bill Ralston)
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement and Labour Story
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:52:22 GMT

in article  <92185@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren 
L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <1b1uj1INNc1v@informatics.wustl.edu> bloch@wupost.wustl.edu 
>(Charlene Bloch Abrams) writes:
>[long (and somewhat graphic) story about giving birth deleted]
>
>That's it.  I'm going to adopt.  PUPPIES.

I think Charlene cross posted to soc.singles to try and scare the single 
folks into staying single (and child free). :) Works for me.

Congratulations, Charlene.

---------------
Bill
wtr@mitre.org
**Marrou/Lord in '92.  (If you don't know who they are, you are not a 
fully informed voter.  Fulfill your civic responsibility and find out!! **
** Opinions are mine only, and not my employer's **
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:43:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

There's a Silicon Valley executive named Dr. (Robert) Pepper.

Richard

(Love this thread!)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:41:36 EDT

Regarding the thread here about Diane supposedly not letting her son fight
back (and I suspect that a lot of you read that wrong), let me add my 2c
without importing previous transcripts.

First of all, I was one of those kids who was raised to not fight back, or
at least to avoid confrontations where possible.  The result?  I got beat up
on a regular basis.  Also, running home to have my parents take care of the
problem didn't help any, it just told the other kids that I was one of those
who always had to run home to mommy and couldn't deal with it myself and
that made things worse.

Actually, come to think of it, it wasn't so much that my parents taught me
not to fight, but that I figured there was a better way...if I could just
wait until the other kids matured enough to see that too.  That took about
ten years.  My parents got to the point where they had signed me up for
wrestling lessons so I could defend myself (of course, not realizing that
the wrestling lessons were for competitive sport wrestling and not for self
defense).  My parents really wanted me to fight back.

Finally, one day in 6th grade one of the bullies came back to my desk to
grab something and I shot him a good one in the stomach.  To my amazement he
started crying and we were both sent to the office and suspended for
fighting.  My parents were overjoyed, I'd finally fought back, and maybe now
people would leave me alone.

My feeling?  Anyone ever see "Witness"?  I love the scene where the tourists
are harassing the Amish and Harrison Ford says "Leave him alone, you're
making a mistake," repeats this warning two more times and then slugs the
tourist.  I like the concept of being able to defend yourself but giving the
other person fair warning that if they don't stop, they'll later wish they
had.

Remember the old TV series "Kung Fu"?  It was pretty much the same way.  I
saw one of the books based on the series once, and in the front was the
philosophy he followed:  Better to avoid than to check, better to check than
to injure, better to injure than to maim, better to maim than to kill,
better to kill than to be killed.  In each case it's saying to use the least
amount of force necessary, but end the confrontation with the least amount
of damage to you.  I have no problem with this and I am definitely *not* a
macho type.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:39:20 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <cindy.103@berkp.uadv.uci.edu>, cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct9.164604.1@stsci.edu> mryan@stsci.edu writes:
|> 
|> >My 10-year-old son Eddie, who has always had trouble making friends, is now 
|> >being actively ostracized by the other 5th-graders...
|> 
|> The October 1992 issue of Parenting Magazine has an article titled "Misfit
|> Kids" by Susan Perry that you might want to read.  If you can't find it, the 
|> author cites the book, "Helping the Child Who Doesn't Fit In" by Stephen 
|> Nowicki, Jr.,Ph.D., and Marshall P. Duke, Ph.D..  The article states that "
|> the reason many children are rejected socially is that they have problems
|> using nonverbal communication".  According to Perry, "Psychologists are
|> learning...that it's possible to help children who, for whatever reason,
|> don't fit in.  As with any learning disability, early intervention prevents
|> more serious problems later."

*That's* the book I wanted to suggest! I read about it in the newspaper 
(but I forgot its name). A number of exercises that you can do with the 
child to improve social skill were described in the article I read. It 
sounded like something a lot of us could have benefitted from when we 
were children. I really liked the practicality of the exercises.

(I couldn't buy the book, though, since Will is only six months old and 
therefore not showing any signs of being a 'social misfit.' You should 
have heard the ribbing I took from my husband after buying Adele Faber's 
great "Siblings Without Rivalry" when I have only one child! :-)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Crayon stains on carpet and upholstry...
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 17:57:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

How do you get them out?

Renee Roberts
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (Don't do this to your kids)
Summary: more parental-inflicted torment!
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:46:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu

In article <183868@pyramid.pyramid.com> devon@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Devon Nichols) writes:
>
>My ex and I used to think up names for our future kids, our
>last name was Sides.
>
>Oliver Franklin Fremont Sides (all legit family names) = O.F.F. Sides
>(my ex was a real football fan)
>Herbert Aurthur Sides = Herb A. Sides
...

My husband's (and children's) last name is "Slice".  The worst
name we could think of (aside from Pizza) was Hamilton Slice,
as in Ham Slice, as in pass the mustard...

Sue
From: 00rggraham@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Names and birth announcement
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:27:03 GMT

i'm probably getting in on the tail end of this discussion but here goes.
my dad had a friend when he was a kid named Tom Head.
well, old Tom grew up and had himself some kids, the first one was lucky to be
called Richard.
do i need to explain things?
good.

as for not giving kids names that they will hate...
my girlfriend and i are expecting a girl in late november.
i had a humanities professor in college with a daughter named Zoe (put " on e).
jennifer and i both love the name and have finally decided upon..
Zoe Elise Wingate

also...
her brother and his wife had their baby oct 3.
his name is Nathaniel Brandon and weighed 8.5 pounds at only 8 months.
wow.
what a hunk.
ross graham
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: RDA's  (was: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy)
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:32:38 GMT

sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:

>However, there was a study in England recently with 2 groups of children
>Both groups drank the RDA of calcium in milk.  One group also received
>a calcium supplement equal to another RDA.  After n years, the group
>receiving the supplement had noticeably more bone mass (a good thing).
>While the experimentors stopped short of upping the RDA for calcium,
>it seems like too much, in this case, is a good thing.

Remember folks, the RDA's are bare minimums, as in, "Get at least this much
vitamin C each day if you don't want to get scurvy".  The optimum amounts
are not known in most cases, or are debated.  Consuming many times the
RDA (a la Linus Pauling and vitamin C) is not a good thing, but exceeding
it by a little bit is desirable.

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