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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Gematria
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:36:59 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <199301261305.AA17620@das.wang.com>
MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:

>Of  course, just  a  coincidence, *nobody*  takes gematria  seriously,
>especially if it gives *such* indications...
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You can't do both: accepting a gimatria as a proof, in case you like
the result , and ignore it in case you don't.

you cant take :  MICHAEL SHIMSHONI =  807  =  ANSHEY MAVET

( death persons) as being meaningfull and ignor the other gimatria

              MICHAEL SHIMSHONI =  807  =  SHEMEN ZAYIT  (olive-oil)

as a proof for his good character!

Shalom   gideon
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25856 soc.culture.german:10166
From: monaghan@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (N.O. Monaghan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Detest Germans?
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:16:25 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Pankaj Saxena <U09416@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>The British didn't just use the third world countries as a source of raw
>materials. They were a huge captive market for the goods that their factories
>were churning out. For instance, they sold more textiles to India than to any
>European country.

This was a market which was never properly exploited - after the Great
War, there was a time when it would have been possible to create a
balance of trade favouring the Dominions and the Colonies within the
Empire, but this was not done, even though it was advocated by those who
saw it as a way of limiting the effects of the economic crises at that
time - e.g. Sir Oswald Mosley.

>The Germans were hardly a commercial threat to the British at the time of the
>second world war. The market for cuckoo clocks wasn't that big.

I always thought that Switzerland was more famous for cuckoo clocks
than germany, but one lives and learns.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: asherd@nysernet.org (Asher Daniels)
Subject: testing
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:16:09 GMT

Hi, this is a test.
-- 
Asher Daniels
call 1-800-4-MOSHIACH
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Method of Payment (dollars) in Israel
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:11:19 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL


In article <1993Jan21.215847.11239@shearson.com> esafern@shearson.com
writes:
(Eric Safern):
>The best exchange rates can be gotten on the black market.

The term "black market" even used is not so correct. The government
actually support that market. The central bank sell/buy dollars to the
 "black market" in order to fix its prices.
The "black marked prices" are announced in the (official) tv and
radio, and ofcourse by all newspapers. But buting/selling there is
still ileegal !.
The prices there are usually about those of the bank, usually somewhat
higher ( sometimes even 2% more!) sometimes even LOWER !

>  Never exchange money at a bank, or even worse, with the government.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is the aim of that last statement ?
It is not an informative statement , since you can not sell your
dollars to the government!

   Shalom   gideon ehrlich Eretz Yisrael
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthodox Judaism and Women
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:44:09 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

I don't know if anybody mentioned this b4,
BUT, I heared that on one case when all good will didn't 
work, and the man didn't give a GET to his wife
one high ranking RAV here in Israel told the woman's 
brothers to meet the stubborn husband in a dark alley
to 'clarify' the situation. They did so and The woman
got her GET :-)

KEN YUVDO ...
-- 

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 
/ Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all	   
/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !	   
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From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Re^2: Jews and Germans
Summary: It depends on how hot the furnace was
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:42:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <4397@novavax.UUCP> bramson@novavax.UUCP (Jennifer Bramson) writes:

I find this a distasteful topic (to put it mildly) so unless there are any
outrageous flames I hope this will be the only contribution from me.

>In school we tried an experiment -- take three pieces of long hair and burn
>them.  I assure you the stench is repulsive.  Now multiply that by a full
>head's worth of hair, not to mention skin, blood, and everything else ONE body
>contains.  Now multiply by dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions.

If you burn hair at a 'low' heat it will produce chemicals that smell. If
you burn it at a high enough temperature then all that it left is CO2 and
water. No smell at all. This is the principle that burning hazardous
chemicals works under. I don't imagine the Nazis bothered much with achieving
high temperatures (which are expensive and require a great deal of fuel), but
they did buy their furnaces from a commerical furnace maker so presumably
they were designed for it.

>And noone KNEW????

A lot of the camps were in Poland where the Germans naturally knew nothing,
the Poles opinion apparently didn't matter. I doubt the Germans asked them.

Joseph Askew

-- 
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  Barbarian horns draw out the northern wind;
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Anti-Nazi Rally
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:50:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.211753.26315@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
>
>In article <93022.2105342893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>   The Heritage Front, a neo-nazi group in Toronto will be in court Monday the
>>25th of January.
>
>So, what they do? Park in a no parking zone?....

you're right. whenever i find out a neo-Nazi group is going to court,
the first thing i assume is that it is because of a parking ticket.

your implication is that this group is somehow being persecuted or something.
do you have information on the matter? if so, would you please
share it with the rest of the class?

>>There will be an anti-Nazi rally starting at Queen's Park
>>around 8AM and proceeding down to the court at the Confederation Life building
>>on University Avenue. This is a counter-demonstration to a pro-Heritage Front
>>rally scheduled for the same time at Confederation Life.
>
>Oh, then this will just be like good old Germany in the 30's with Commies
>and Brownshirts battling it out in streets. Sorry, I've got better things
>to do then give these losers the attention you want to give them.

then don't go. but i can't possibly see anything wrong with those
who value peace and freedom expressing such to whomever will listen.

>Leave them alone, they will dissappear.

spoken like a true ostrich. scary how even Hitler couldn't change
this idiotic sentiment.

>Or you can give them the attention they obviously crave....

brilliant. except the attention they crave is from the media, and they
will get plenty just by having their supporters march. if their
opponents march as well, it shows that there are plenty of people
who think that they are "bad", which greatly nullifies their
main goal: attention on a national level.

this happened recently in the states, where a KKK rally was outnumbered
100-to-1. the grand dragon was shouted down by 5,000 anti-KKK protestors.
the news story ended up being more about the huge turn-out of the counter-
rally than about the rally itself. damn effective, i'd say.

>***FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**
>**  John LaRocque         **   "If you're the new messiah.. I'm going to be  **
>**  marshall.law@uwo.ca   **   the one to drive in the nails"  MARSHALL LAW  **
>***FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**FEAR*AND*LOATHING**

i might be incorrect, but i can't seem to remember even one reasonable
thing ever coming from this account. i see lots of attacks, vitriol
and bitterness, and little which balances it. so are you just angry
with the whole world?

the .sig you use is clear advertising that you are looking for a fight.
so ok, i'll bite. what's yer problem?
what should we "FEAR AND LOATHE"?
what is this "marshall law" and why do you want it?
and why do you want to drive nails into messiahs?

--
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Voiceless "h" ?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:17:54 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b35

kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Murray Kahl) writes:
> Voiceless??? Surely the English h is voiced. The only people who 
> pronounce it unvoiced seem to be the British royal family :) 
>  
> I am not a linguist, and can only quote the texts I have used. 

"Voiced" means that the vocal cords are vibrating; "voiceless" means they are 
not.  For example, /s/ and /z/ are the same sound except for voicing: /s/ is 
voiceless and /z/ is voiced.



Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Send a fax to the Almighty!!!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:15:20 -0500
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu

In article <108203@bu.edu> simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:

>He [G-d] is probably still waiting to get a phone-line from Bezek.

For the record, the gematria of BeZeK times 7 plus 7 is 770!
Of course, some of you will attribute this to a coincidence, but ...

Eliot "I'm an Aquarian, and Aquarians don't believe in the Zodiac" Shimoff




-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: chlewis@dante.nmsu.edu (LEWIS)
Subject: Previous discussion about Halacha and conversion.
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:49:44 GMT


Dear all (especially Pauline Sweet, and Michael Swihart)

Well, you guys were right, and I was wrong, about the conversion
question. I misread an article about Oswald Rufiesin's attempt
to become an Israeli citizen, and interpeted it to mean that under
Halacha a person who converted to Xianity was no longer a Jew.

However, I think I can make somewhat of an argument against the 
conclusion that Jews who convert are still Jews. From what I read 
in a book called Keeping Posted, this custom/dictum was established
during a time when many Jews were being forcibly converted to
Xianity, and was adopted mainly to allow them to come back to the community
easily, and not with the same process that people such as myself have to go
through in order to convert. However, if one takes the background of this
dictum into account, I think it will change its interpretation somewhat.

Have Xians and Jews ever seen themselves as shareholders directly in the 
same faith, except nominally? I think not, otherwise conversion
process for either religion would not have to take effect. 
In addition, all Jewish sects/branches have held 2 tenets in common 
throughout Jewish history:
1. The messiah has not come.
2. That God is one, not three or 2 or 8, and that worship
of any living thing as  a god was taken as idolatry. 

Another thing I was thinking about was the matter of intercession.
In Judaism, one speaks directly to God without a go-between such as Jesus
or Mary or Bob or Buddha or L. Ron Hubbard. This redirection, 
and the above things I mentioned, are what separate our religions
theologically. What I meant about incompatibility is that there
weltanschaung were substantially different enough to make bridging
them impossible. How can you pray to and three gods at the same time?
How can you reject Jewish tradition as being relevant or authoritative
and yet accept it as a guide for your life?

The Rabbis did not see Xianity as a legitimate interpretation
of Jewish history and religion during the past 2000 years,
and i can't see why this should be changed now, just because Xianity
has let down enough of its bigotry to allow the idea that other religious
traditions are legitimate. I think this is just a subversion to allow for
conversion to the "true religion" while still allowing enough 
patronization of it to keep the original followers in.

If my conclusions are incorrect, or if anyone wants to talk 
further about it , my address is :
chlewis@nmsu.edu

Thanks, and I hope my own response wasn't too bigoted.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25931 soc.culture.canada:10248 can.politics:11613
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:05:34 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Anti-Nazi Rally

   The Heritage Front, a neo-nazi group in Toronto will be in court Monday the
25th of January. There will be an anti-Nazi rally starting at Queen's Park
around 8AM and proceeding down to the court at the Confederation Life building
on University Avenue. This is a counter-demonstration to a pro-Heritage Front
rally scheduled for the same time at Confederation Life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Religious breakdown of Clinton Cabinet
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:11:09 GMT

In article <C1999A.HA7@cs.bham.ac.uk> gmk@cs.bham.ac.uk (Gideon M H Kay) writes:

>  Not being an American, nor a person who understands the actual
>  Constitutional relationship between the President and the
>  Vice-President can someone explain exactly how much of a say Al Gore
>  will have in the policy decisions that the Clinton Administration
>  makes about Israel and Jews in general???

Legally, none.  The Vice-President is now by statute an advisor to the
President, as are the cabinet members by the Constitution.  But of course
the President can decide what to do with any advice given to him.

There is one addition to this; the Vice-President can initiate a finding
of permanent or temporary incapacity on the part of the President.  Since
this became part of a Constitutional amendment to clarify the situation,
it has never been used except in obvious cases.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Go and see 'A Stranger among us'
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:30:38 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1993Jan22.013132.14419@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>,
 EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
> I saw a movie a few months ago called "Too Close to Eden" and a wondered why it
> had not been discussed on s.c.j. Now the reason is obvious: It was released as
> "A Stranger Among Us" in the U.S..

> Overall I thought it was an absolutely fantastic movie with very few technical
> inaccuracies. One small thing I noticed was the light in the closet in the
> girls room. It wasn't obvious if this was left on permanently on Shabbos or
> was operated by a switch activated when the door was opened (which would
> have been a violation of the Shabbos in such a household).

> A highly recommended movie for all Jews to see and non-Jews interested in
> Judaism. Some Ba'ale Tshuvah might even be inspired to don payos, beard, black 
> hat and black coat after seeing this movie!

	I saw the movie a while ago.  Orthodox Jews are sometimes regarded as a 
touch exotic and Hadissim decidedly more so, hence the fascination.  While I 
liked the movie, I regarded it as a little offbase, but generally worth the 
effort, pretty much like Witness.  Both took a few liberties, but hit on the 
core:  a generally complimentary view of the religious faithful who seem, to 
many outsiders, hopelessly anachronistic in their faith, practices, and piety.
It is noteworthy, that in a modern world, where extreme skepticism is 
the norm and so many believe in so little, that it shows how far a little faith 
can go.

	For the record, while I do not pretend to read the screenplay author's 
mind, I believe that it is based on the case of a young Orthodox diamond 
merchant from Brooklyn who disappeared.  It turned out later that he was 
murdered by an Israeli-born diamond cutter in his employ.
					Robert Siegfried
					Computer Science Dept.
					Saint Peter's College
					Jersey City, NJ  07306
					siegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu
From: sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Davidic Lineage
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:24:23 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <1993Jan27.145327.24451@starbase.trincoll.edu> nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:
>In article <1k5b35INNpi1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ct976@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (H. Da
>niel Hirsch) writes:

>>I have a neighbor, a sephardic Rabbi, who can trace himself to
>>a certain author.  The author of the sefer - in the introduction
>>- traces his own lineage to David.  That sound like Davidic
>>lineage to me.

>Query: is there any Jew in this group who is _not_ descended from
>David (and just about everybody else)?  Comment from demographers and
>statisticians especially welcome.

>Norman Miller

Levites like myself and kohanes are not.  Wasn't David from the tribe
of Benjamin?

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Was ARAFAT A GIRL?
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:53:42 GMT

Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>In article <goldberg.727693478@techunix.technion.ac.il>,
>goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) says:
>>
>>Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>
>>>No, it's not what I had in mind. English (capitalised) refers to the
>>>nationality, english refers to the language.
>>
>>Thank you very much for that information. My usual reference (remember that
>>English is not my native language) is the Ward Lock dictionary, Oxford
>>edition,
>>which does not quote anything like "english" and translates "English" as
>>nationality and language.
>>
>>Yaaqov "Jacques, in French" Goldberg

>Style conventions vary, in any case how is this relevant to judaism?

Andy,
  As far as I have been able to find in dictionaries, and in various replies
on this net, this particular "style convention" is definitely yours only.
  The relevance to Judaism in general and s.c.j. in particular is obvious to
readers who remember the style of your comments about Gideon Ehrlich's English.
  It would be a condemnable imperialistic attitude to reject from this forum    
people whose command of your language is not as "perfect" as yours.
  I am sorry that I had to write this explicitly, I had hoped that an intelli-
gent person like you would have understood immediately.
  
  Sincerely - Yaaqov
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosherizing Recipes
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:48:19 GMT
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Distribution: world
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

In article <1k6evl$981@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
>While we're on the subject, I have noticed that a lot of Mexican recipes call
>for lard.  Is there any great loss in replacing the lard with, say, margarine?
>I assume that the lard is just a traditional, reasonably tasteless, shortening,
>and that any other shortening such as margarine or Crisco would do.  But
>does anyone know for sure?
>
>					Richard Schultz

Yes.  Shortening for tortillas, plain old vegetable oil for frying in 
general and refried beans in particular.  I wouldn't use margarine except 
in dessert recipes; its "buttery" taste isn't quite the the thing with 
spicy foods, IMHO.

			. . .Alexandra
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Davidic Lineage
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:34:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan25.220636.6510@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:
>
>There have occasionally been posts from people talking
>about Davidic lines, in particular missionaries make the
>claim that we have lost all of our Davidic lines.

They lie.  I'm living proof.  My family has a Hebrew "family tree"
in the form of "x son of y son of z son of..." all the way back to
Adam.  Records were kept back to the Davidic days, after which point,
the list is biblical.  Believe me, these families know who they are.
And there are a great many of them.  For example, the Lubavitcher
Rebbe (Rabbi Schnerson) is of Davidic lines as well.

>If anyone has to answer the question, from where can the Messiah
>come, here is one answer.

Besides, when the time of Messiah comes, isn't it quite obvious that
God will pick the right person and notify him/her directly?  Just
because WE are unsure (and missionaries claim we have no idea) who
doesn't mean that God doesn't know!


-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
 ~|~
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.weizmann.ac.il (Michael Shimshoni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: The Mysterious 'Jay' Phenomenon
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:22:26 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In: <LERNER.93Jan27122529@tune.cs.columbia.edu>
lerner@cs.columbia.edu (Michah Lerner) explains:

>> In article <1993Jan27.153444.3922@ulysses.att.com> rjs@ulysses.att.com
 (Richard Steinberg) writes:
>> Can anyone explain the Mysterious "Jay" Phenomenon? I.e., why is the middle
>> name Jay so popular as a middle name among American Jews.  Examples:
>>
>>     Stephen Jay Gould
>>     Bruce Jay Freedman
>>     Michael Jay Pollard
>>     Alan Jay Lerner
>>
>> Thanks.
>>                    Richard Jay Steinberg
>>                    AT&T Bell Laboratories
>>
>  It is a simple gematria.  "J" is the 10th letter of the alphabet,
>  and is spelled out to remind us of the 10 Commandments.

I am surprised  that Michah did not notice the  deeper gematriatics in
Jay.   He  stated  correctly  that  J=10 will  remind  us  of  the  10
Commandments.  Unfortunately he overlooked that the "ay" of Jay is not
just a matter of spelling the name  of that letter out. "a" is the 1st
letter of  the alphabet  and "y"  its 25th, together  26 which  is the
gematria of God's  name Y-H-W-H, to indicate that not  just any old 10
commandments are hinted at, but these specific ones given by God.

>Michah Lerner

 Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german