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From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Re: Clinton, Quayle, and the draft
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:52:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.201259.13950@dbsun.uucp>
   hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:

>The issue here is that Dan Quayle has well placed parents who were able to
>help him, while Bill Clinton had to help himself.  Clinton had the grades
>to get a Rhodes Scholarship, Quayle did not.  Clinton was able to avoid
>Vietnam by himself, Quayle was not.

Well, after reading the paper today, I hearby retract this statement.
Apparently, Clinton received help from his uncle, who was a car dealer
and had friends at the draft board.  They delayed Clinton's physical,
which gave Clinton time to enroll at Oxford.

Boy, that liberal media is really protecting Clinton.

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From: pvanmeur@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Far left's new "bill of lefts"
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:10:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug30.000500.14483@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>People are, of course, the most important element, but technology
>can't be overlooked.  We are capable, right now, of fighting any war we
>need to.  We are prepared.  The great catastrophes of WWI and WWII would
>never have happened most likely if the allies had truly been prepared.
>Hoping for peace is nice, but history tells us that real peace is being
>ready to fight.   
 
Of course that's your way of looking at history. Preparedness for
fighting a war means nothing if the people are not willing to
actually intervene. WWII would have happened even with well armed
adversaries since none of them were willing to fight until it was
almost to late. The posession of arms and technology will
eventually lead to the use of it. See the US involvement in Panama,
Grenada, Kuwait where US interests leads to the use of force.
Looking for peace does not mean increasing ones capabilities to
eliminate oponents, that's fascism.
>Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 

Pim van Meurs

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From: ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Omar Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Republican Convention - Worst Camera shots.
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:49:52 GMT
	<1992Aug22.194119.12337@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: Senior, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>This is not about camera shots but about the music.
>A caller to the Jim Bohanan show claimed that the 
>music played when Bush was nominated was from a gay
>musical! (Jim agreed the caller was right)
>-arasu

I don't know about that.  I can tell you that during Buchanan's New
Hampshire campaign, his theme song was, "Rock you" by Queen.  He played
it at at least 2 rallies I attended.  Of course, the audience singing
along was singing, "We will, We will, rock you GEORGE!"

					Tom the non hacker
					Kemp in 96!
					"If patriotism is the last refuge
					of scoundrels,  Then environmentalism
					is the current refuge of totalitarians."
					Bob Jackson
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From: mit@b30news.ingr.com (Timothy A. Turner)
Subject: Re: Clinton is no Lincoln?
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:31:16 GMT

Zack,

Abraham Lincoln did not demonstrate that he would be an unwilling participant
in the Blackhawk wars. Thank you for the text of your candidate's speech. It
shows how truly weak and desparate Clinton is to be throwing out names he
feels like are comparable to himself. Clinton is being blasted because of his
past history regarding military issues, ie. Vietnam and Gulf War. This shows
that he is not qualified. How does he answer these charges? He stands before
the American Legion and lists people that also weren't in the military (or in
Lincoln's case: never broke a sweat). Now, that's weak. These people he listed
were right on the issues, according to the people that elected them. That's
what really matters. And that's what will matter in November. Not, who can
do the most name dropping.

Tim
From: ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Omar Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The Real Reagan Record
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:18:31 GMT
	<1992Sep3.170002.5301@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>In article <1992Sep2.155008.14345@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>,
krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>|> Have any of you read the  August 31 issue of NATIONAL REVIEW.  I found 
>|> this quite amazing.  On pages 25-62 is found the cover story, THE REAL 
>|> REGAN RECORD.  Many (a dozen or so) authors have each taken one plank 
>|> of the conventional liberal tale of how Ronny ruined America, and 
>|> smashed it to pieces.
>|> 
>|> Some of the subjects covered are:
>|> 
>|> 	Liberal claim		This article says
>|> 
>|> Household income went down	NOT
>|> Rich got richer			not much
>|> Poor got poorer			NOT
>|> Poor are normal families	NOT
>|> Jobs created were McJobs	NOT
>|> US national debt is terrible	NOT
>|> negative trade surplus is bad	not as simple as that
>|> foreigners are taking over	not really        
>|> deficits caused by tax cuts	NOT
>|> entitlements went down		NOT
>|> Rich paid less taxes		NOT
>|> Rich got a tax break		NOT
>|> Junk bonds were bad for bus.	NOT
>|> policies were especially 
>|> 	hard on blacks		NOT
>|> Reagan caused S&L crisis	NOT
>|> policies made it harder 
>|> 	for poor to advance	NOT
>|> Reagan created homelessness	NOT
>|> Reagan made homelessness worse	NOT
>|> more difficult to own a home	NOT
>|> HUD spending went down		NOT
>|> Decade of Greed			NOT
>|> bad for the environment		NOT
>|> 
>|> 
>|> I'm sure you liberals will hate to hear this, and you conservatives will 
>|> love it.  Either way, it is a good read.
>|> 
>
>Well I think HUD spending *SHOULD* go down.  That it didn't is a failure.  We
>need to rollback the welfare state.
>-- 
>Eric Titmas      Motorola ASIC       titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com               
>
>It is impossible to take in more money than Congress can spend.  -
Thomas Sowell

No, HUD spending shouldn't go down.  Jack Kemp should be allowed to
spend HUD money creating enterprise zones and starting real housing
programs where people who can't get bank loans get the backing from the
government to go from renting to owning a home.  Then the HUD money
would be used in a worthwhile way.

					Tom the non hacker
					Kemp in 96!
					"If patriotism is the last refuge
					of scoundrels,  Then environmentalism
					is the current refuge of totalitarians."
					Bob Jackson
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From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: misinformation from the right
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:01:07 GMT

alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:

>-- 
>                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
>The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that 
>encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice 
>witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992

I hope you have a better source for this than rec.humor, Alex.

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
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From: sbrady@afit.af.mil (Stephan P. Brady)
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:45:55 GMT

bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.141928.10723@afit.af.mil> sbrady@afit.af.mil (Stephan P. Brady) writes:
>>Gee,forgive me while I diagree.  Now let's see, if you switch your
>>statement around, won't it sound quite silly?  See:  "I find the
>>pro-choice label dishonest because it implies that since I'm pro-life I
>>am therefore anti-choice and anti-abortion.  Geez, I guess I'll have to
>>only order Big Macs at McDonalds on my way home this evening and I'll
>>have to start tying pregnant women ("parasitically challenged" according
>>to U.S. News and World Report in June) up to keep them from even
>>considering an abortion"

>Well, your argument stands up as long as you take the statement
>"pro-choice" literally.  Instead, if you view it in the context of the
>abortion issue, "choice" becomes limited to the idea that women should
>be able to choose.  Similarily, "pro-life" in the context of the
>abortion issue and that alone, still implies (to me at least) that
>anyone who is not pro-life is anti-life and should be out canvassing
>for abortions.

Ahhhhh, but that is my POINT!  See, these are put forward as "world
views", FUNDAMENTAL rights that (by definition then) go beyond the
instance under debate.  A pro-life position extends beyond abortion,
into the realm of euthenasia, and concepts of war and peace, and even
views on capital punishment.  Should not a pro-choice position do the
same?

If pro-choice is a term that is limited SOLELY to the debate regarding
abortion, then it is not a FUNDAMENTAL right.  Besides, to say that
people who oppose abortion are against choice is itself a
mis-representation (read: lie) since MOST people opposed to abortion
support many alternatives, including crisis pregnanct centers to support
the mothers, and adoption.  These are CHOICES in the truest sense, since
a "choice" is something one selects from a number of options.

In summary, if these "fundamental rights" do not extend beyond the
specific issue, then they are not fundamental, and I purport that only
the PRO-LIFE issue meets this test.  Also, to say people opposing
abortion are opposed to choice is a lie.

-- 
sbrady@galaxy.afit.af.mil
"Opinions held on every subject.  While they may not actually reflect the
opinions of my employer, they are a tribute to the freedoms enjoyed under
the First Amendment"
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. NOT!
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:34:51 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Distribution: na
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Aug30.214439.5435@seq.uncwil.edu> session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:
->>At his speech to the American Legion yesterday, Clinton said that
->>it was their right not to vote for him because he ran away from
->>the draft and Vietnam War, but he claimed that he did this not
->>because he was a coward or because he wasn't patriotic, but
->>because he "didn't believe in US policy in Vietnam." This is yet
->>more history revisionism from Clinton; however, he did finally
->>admit that he did something illegal in dodging the draft.

 You forgot the best part of Clintons speech. He stated that if you did not
vote for him because of this issue, he would respect your position. Why on
earth does Clinton need to say this ? I dont require respect from Clinton 
to make any of my decisions, nor do I need it. 

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Are Republicans Evil?
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:53:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:

>Huh?  What are "lifestyle" rights?  The Constitution mentions "Life, Liberty
>and the pursuit of Happiness."

	Nowhere in the Constitution does the phrase "Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness" appear.  You are quoting instead from the Declaration
of Independence, a document that has no legal force.
-- 
Matt Bernhardt
University of Buffalo             THIS SPACE FOR RENT.
mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:27:33 GMT

titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Eric Titmas) writes:
>Now a question for the liberals:

>How can you be pro-abortion and anti capital punishment?

    That's easy. I'm *pro* capital punishment.

    Next question?

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: EDITORIAL: Sexual revolution -- Duke CHRONICLE
Keywords: family values, sex, sexual revolution, editorial
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:26:32 GMT

In article <5097@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>DISCLAIMER: It's not often that I type in editorials from the school
>newspaper, but this one has caught my attention. I only offer this article
>solely for the purposes of discussion.

>The Kinsey Institute at the University of Indiana is the hub in the middle of
>the wheel that includes Planned Parenthood, the Sex Information and Education
>Council of the United States, Playboy (Hugh Hefner was a disciple of Kinsey),
>Penthouse, Hustler and a number of homosexual organizations. Although I have
>not said much about the pornographic and homosexual connection to the
>pedophilia movement, it is real. The "gay manifesto" that has been decried
>by homosexual leaders as being too moderate, after the Ball <<?>>, does not
>condemn pederasty but only suggests that pederasts keep their activities
>quiet.

I hope this guy isn't a law student, all this to oppose a "sexual
orientation" anti discrimination clause. He builds up this big case about
pedophilia and then tries to link it to homosexuality through some "gay
manifesto". Strange that after reading 10,000 messages on soc.motss I
still have no idea what "the gay manifesto" is. 

>Pedophile organizations such as the North American Man-Boy Love Association,
>Childhood Sensuality Circle, and Rene Guyon Society have openly welcomed
>and adopted the research of sexologists.

And Hitler adopted and distorted genetics...

[more pedophile discussion deleted]

>The primary aims of all groups, mainstream and radical, that accept the
>concept of childhood sexuality have been to introduce explicit sexuality
>education that advocates or tolerates many deviant sexual practices and to
>encourage condom distribution without parental notification. Not only do these
>groups stand on the immoral ground excavated by Kinsey, but their "scientific"
>research and conclusions are highly suspect. Therefore, the sexual revolution
>that was based on a lie should be comprehensively reevaluated before the
>scientific community convinces us that the only problem with adult-child
>sex is the guilt that society imposes on the participants.

And what does this have to do with Umass's sexual orientation clause?
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From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Liberal Bias Example
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:29:03 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood


 Last weekend two reporters admitted medias current love affair with
 Bill Clinton during CSPAN interview.

   Carl Cannon - Knight Ridder Newspapers
                 National Political Correspondant

         quotes - "Republicans have a good case for claiming bias."
                  "Some people in press fell in love with him".
                                                    [Bill Clinton]
                  He also noted that the reason the bias is so great is
                  probably due to the fact that the press was undoing the
                  negative attacks they made on Clinton during the pri-
                  maries. He thinks they may be overcompensating. This
                  bias should end and he thinks that the press will be 
                  fairer in future. (ie - the press profits from a close
                  race).

  Michael Duffy - White House Correspondant for Time.

         quotes - "Media fell in love with Clinton."
                  "Time is not perfectly objective."

                  After admitting bias he said that the degree of bias 
                  should decrease and that fair coverage might be possible
                  in future. He was very astonished at callers who said
                  time was not objective. Almost laughing that anyone would
                  even think that time is tring to be objective. He did note
                  that time used to be pro-republican but has drastically  
                  changed. I could not tell if this was a joke.

 During Reliable Sources on CNN this weekend Nina Totenberg responding to a 
claim by republicans that the media was promoting Bill Clinton replied -
(I paraphrase) She noted that she has received lots of calls about the sexual
lives of many republicans and stated that she usually ignored these messages
left on her voice mail. She warned that she might have to look into these
now. 

 This is incredulous. Her response to a bias charge was to become more biased.
We the american people are now being threatened by the Media Elite for ex-
posing them for what they are. The ratings will only plumet with these types
of responses. 

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
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From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:40:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA


Thank you, Fred Seals, for putting it all in stark perspective.

The more I see Clinton's response under criticism or accusation, the more
I am reminded of his own claim to have "worked through" being the child
of alcoholics.  His standard response to any sort of criticism is 
classic denial.

Makes me wonder whether he's really worked through those problems...

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From: mike@execu.execu.com (Mike McCants)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Evolution (was Re: Liberal Bias Example)
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:48:35 GMT
Followup-To: talk.origins
Organization: Comshare, Inc. Austin Development Center

In article <5977@grus.cs.nps.navy.mil> shimeall@cs.nps.navy.mil (timothy shimeall) writes:
>I've editted the newsgroups line to drop unrelated newsgroups.

But you didn't change the follow-up to talk.origins where this stuff
gets debated endlessly.
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton, Quayle, and the draft (Was Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:28:21 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Sep1.201259.13950@dbsun.uucp>
hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:
>The issue here is that Dan Quayle has well placed parents who were able to
>help him, while Bill Clinton had to help himself.  Clinton had the grades
>to get a Rhodes Scholarship, Quayle did not.  Clinton was able to avoid
>Vietnam by himself, Quayle was not.

Bwaahahahahahahaha!  Boy this is true justice!  I always thought that this
endless badgering of Quayle might come back to haunt the Demogogues.
Now as it just so happens, as reported in the LA Times today, what
Slick Willie did was have his uncle pull some strings to save his
quaking, quivering, wet pants from going to Viet Nam.

Now, the honorable Demogogues will be sure to stick to their moral
posturing on Quayle and throw Clinton off the ticket, won't they? Uh-huh.
After all, what has been said of Quayle and used as evidence that
Quayle shouldn't be on the ticket (pulling strings) is even truer of
Corporal Clinton.  I think consistency and fairness here demands
that Clinton be publically ridculed as Quayle has been for 4 years on
this issue.  Right!  It will be cute to see the Demogogues slip and
slide their way out of this one.
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From: nyh@newton.WPI.EDU (Nevo Y Hed)
Subject: Re: Funny quote just heard on Rush
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:10:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.123913.2021@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <BtGGJo.BHC@wpi.WPI.EDU>, nyh@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nevo Y Hed) writes
>  concerning Rush's joke that he saw a sign about Slick Willie's
>  family values advisor being Woody Allen:
> 
>> 	I seem to have missed one thing on that joke, where is the
>> part that sez that Woody is even a democrat not to say that he
>> actually has any affiliation [besides possibly registring and voting
>> as one] with the democratic party.
>
>   Ah, Nevo, Nevo, Nevo.  I believe the remark was made in jest.
>   Now what can we learn from this?  Why, that ultra-liberals have
>no sense of humor... except when making cruel (and often false)
>remarks about Dan Quayle.

	heheh ... very funny...

	Quayle is the one that makes the jokes - no one else has to...

	And why am I an ULTRA something?  or is taht a joke too you
ultra bastard?   :]


	-Nevo

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