HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: "Why I hate System 7..."
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:47:28 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) writes:

>jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:
>: 
>: 2.3mb for the system software? Yikes.  I'm curious as to what you've got
>: installed to make it eat so much memory.  Gee, and I thought my
>: collection of inits and control panels was ridiculous.

>You think 2.3 MB is a lot? I live with a system that takes 3.8 MB ...

    Oh yeah. Well my system takes up 4.5 MB. Of course I happen to have
40MB in my Quadra 950, so I really don't complain much.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
From: galko@trix.genie.uottawa.ca (Peter Galko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Time distribution from Unix
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:52:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Does anyone happen to know of any utility that exists for the Mac that
would allow me to periodically correct the time on my Mac from our Unix
machines (or other network sources).  For some reason my Mac's clock runs
too slow and even with some automatic corrections for the drift, it doesn't
seem to keep reasonable time (what accuracy do the crystal oscillators
Apple uses have anyway?).

I seem to recall some time ago seeing some posting about a utility which
would pick up time over the network but I can't seem to find something like
that in any of the archives I have looked in.

Peter Galko                             Tel:	(613)-564-7097
Department of Electrical Engineering    Fax: (613)-564-6882
Room A-509, Colonel By Hall
770 King Edward Avenue  	       	    E-mail: galko@trix.genie.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa                         galko@acadvm1.uottawa.ca
Ottawa, Ontario CANADA K1N 6N5               galko@rascal.ics.utexas.edu
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 not free?
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 20:46:46 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:

RS> Except that Apple recommends, and various people have told 
RS> me to heed their recommendation, that you don't just drop 
RS> the tuner file into your extensions folder, but rather you 
RS> *reformat* your hard disk and completely re-install the system 
RS> plus the tune up from scratch. Hardly what I'd call being 
RS> up and running without headaches. Apparantly, some of the 
RS> bugs in 7.0.1 that the tuneup fixes can leave your hard disk 
RS> in a damaged state that Disk First Aid can't fix. 

that's right.  the Tuner is a prophylactic, not a cure.  To cover themselves
and in the best interests of the user, Apple is suggesting just what you say. 
It's the safe route.  Needless to say, by defintion it's laughed at by the
majority of folks reading these newsgroups.  That doesn't make it laughable,
though.  And the headache of backing up, reformatting, reinstalling, tuning,
and restoring your hard disk is much less severe than the headache that comes
when your files start "disappearing."

--Adam--
 
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From: bayes@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Scott Bayes)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:50:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: System 7.1 via ftp (NO FLAME!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system

> TAANSTAFL.
> 

TANSTAAFL (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch).

And I agree.

ScottB
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 not free?
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:33:52 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine

In article <D2150056.eu8k99@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
>The answers to this one seem obvious to me. With a tuner file that you
>just drop into your extensions folder, you're up and running with the
>new software immediately, without the headache of installing a new version
>of the system.

	Except that Apple recommends, and various people have told me
to heed their recommendation, that you don't just drop the tuner file
into your extensions folder, but rather you *reformat* your hard disk
and completely re-install the system plus the tune up from scratch.
Hardly what I'd call being up and running without headaches.
Apparantly, some of the bugs in 7.0.1 that the tuneup fixes can leave
your hard disk in a damaged state that Disk First Aid can't fix.

	Anyway, since when is a collection of bug fixes a "tuneup"?
Sort of like Ultrix man pages turning the "Bugs" section into the
"Restrictions" section.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: d88-jwa@alv.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: What is PowerOrgasm?
Originator: d88-jwa@alv.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<5370@gold.gvg.tek.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:07:54 GMT

> bryanh@stout.gvg.tek.com (Bryan Hilterbrand) writes:

   kind of cute as long as you have a dirty mind.  Not recommended to have
   hanging around to go off in front of prudish SO's, mothers, etc..

What would be so S about the O if she was prudish? And
about your mother; how do YOU think you came into being? :-)

-- 
Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Sweden, Phone +46-8-107069

"From now on, I think I'll re-label the EQ on the
 desk as Fizz and Wobble, rather than HF and LF."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: System icons on Sys 7
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:12:45 GMT

I've found the system icons in the System file with resedit. Look
in either the "icl8" or "cicn" resources. (I'm pretty sure it is the 
icl8)

Hope this helps.

--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Joe Niski <niski@ssd.intel.com>
Subject: "incompatible AFP version"???
X-Xxdate: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:47:12 GMT
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:46:40 GMT

greetings, net:

My Powerbook is on LocalTalk, my desktop Mac on Ethernet (Etalk Phase2, a
Gatorbox connecting the two); i can file-share from either machine to the
other, UNLESS i put the PB to sleep.  If i put the PB to sleep, then wake
it up, then try to file-share from my desktop Mac, i get the error "This
Macintosh uses an incompatible version of the AFP protocol, you cannot
connect to it" (or something close).  However, i can connect from the PB
to my desktop machine.

Anyone seen this?  Is it a result of the Powerbook's sleep feature
messing with AppleTalk?

---------------------------------------------
Joe Niski                                          niski@ssd.intel.com
Macintosh Network Admin.
Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
Beaverton, OR USA
From: harris3@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Kevin Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: MacWrite II 1.1v3??
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:56:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: -

In article <Bv56tH.Knz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jonesbb@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Brian R. Jones) writes:
> 
> 
> 	I have seen a few references now to MacWrite 1.1v3 - what is it?
> I received my free upgrade from Claris when I switched to system 7 and thus
> required 1.1v2, but have heard nothing about 1.1v3.  I assume that it is a
> minor bug fix, but would still like to know.  One more question - does
> anyone have any idea how much the upgrade to MacWrite Pro (which I assume is
> STILL coming out "real soon now") will cost to though who purchased over a
> year ago.  I have heard that it will be relatively cheap for those who buy
> it now, but nothing on those who have been using for a while.  Thanks!
> 

MacWrite II 1.1v3 is a small bug fix.  There were some problems with the Spell checking
under System 7.x, and some problems with the justification. Some people experienced it, 
some didn't.  

MacWrite Pro will be entering beta testing any day now (yeah...right...sure)...seriously though,
it is still on schedule for a Christmas release.   And by ON SCHEDULE I make no reference to the
past problems...but to the current schedule.  I do not know what the upgrade fee will be...we
shall have to wait and see.

The above information comes to you via my friend at Claris.

Kevin
---
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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: StyleWriter and System 6.0.7
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:10:16 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep28.172954.17375@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, artis@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (David A. Artis) writes:

> I just bought a StyleWriter for my SE/30, and I'm impressed with the print
> quality.

Join the club. :-)

> The
> StyleWriter driver that came with the printer is version 1.2.  Can I use the
> newer driver that comes with system 7 tuneup for faster printing?

My guess is, yes, but why not just try it and see? If it doesn't work, you can
always switch back.

If you want background printing to work with the new driver, you'll need
to run the installer script on the System 7 printing disk, to update your
Backgrounder and PrintMonitor. You can do this after you've verified that the
driver works for non-background printing.

> I'm using
> system 6.0.7, Suitcase 2.1.1, TrueType init 1.0.  Also, if I understand the
> suitcase manual, I have to be sure all fonts of a given typeface (whether
> bitmap or TT) are in the same file.  Presently I have adobe screen fonts in
> one file, and all the TT stuff in another file.  If I get them merged
> together, will the mac then use bitmap for screen display and TT for
> printing?

The whole point about TrueType is that it works the same on *all* output
devices. This includes both your screen and your printer. If a bitmap is
available in the requested size and style, the Mac will use that, otherwise
it will use the TrueType version. To apply this rule to your StyleWriter,
scale up all the point sizes by 5 (= 360/72).

>  I use New Century Schoolbook in size 10, and I don't like the on-
> screen appearance of the TT font.  Any tips are appreciated.

Have you got a 10-point bitmap installed for Schoolbook?

Lawrence
with a soft spot for dumb printers
From: arno@apple.com (Arno Gourdol)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: "Why I hate System 7..."
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:13:13 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
X-Xxdate: Sun, 27 Sep 92 14:12:54 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EB71E66101047E@arno.apple.com>

First, I am not representing Apple.

I would like to hear the voices of those of you who HATE System 7.
Not those of you that do use it because you think its advantages
(FileSharing, 
Aliases, New Finder, Configurable Apple Menu, Inteligent System Folder,
more robust, Baloon Help, Publish/Suscribe, AppleEvents, ...) outweights
its
defaults (too slow, needs too much memory...).
So my question is what should change in System 7.x to make it acceptable
to you?
Would you be ready to pay for that?

Lastly, I am still not representing Apple.
If you want to voice any of your concern about Apple policies, write
(no e-mail, no phone, no fax) at:

        Apple Customer Assistance Center
        20525, Mariani Avenue
        Cupertino, CA 95014
        USA
        
This is the right place to do it. You will be heard.
--
Minds, like parachute, only function when open.
I did it, I did it!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich)
Subject: Re: Fujitsu 520 MB drive too warm for modular Macs?
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire -- Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:59:33 GMT

>>I'm told that the Fujitsu 520 MB drives run warm. Has anyone used it
>>as the internal hard drive for a si, ci, or Quadra 700? If so,
>>is overheating a problem?

We have two Quadra 700s here with Fujitsu 520's in them.  They're working
just fine.  The air blowing out the back feels slightly over the ambient
room temperature, but it's not what I'd call "warm".

My only complaint is that both 520's emit a constant high-frequency sound
similar to the "squeal" most TVs and some video monitors make.
It's noticeable and annoying.

We just purchased a 1-gig Hewlett-Packard external SCSI drive, and its
constant whine is even louder.  Whatever happened to quiet hard drives?
Are the big Seagates quiet?

  -- Tony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch)
Subject: Re: Can I do LocalTalk and Ethertalk at the same time on AppleT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:21:43 GMT

In <66682@cup.portal.com> morris-ng@cup.portal.com (Yuklung Morris Ng) writes:

>You cannot directly connect a LocalTalk node into an Ethernet network. However
>you may want to use a router or half-router to indirectly connect to ethernet.

>A software package from Farallon Computing called "Liaison" can serve as a 
>router.

Also, you can *bridge* LocalTalk and Ethernet which should use less
processing power than a router. 

I saw the following software-only solutions, for bridging Ethernet and
LocalTalk, at the Mactivity conference in July. LaserBridge should do what
the previous poster wants. In the following, "Show" refers to the
Mactivity show price. 
   

              EtherBridge Series from Sonic Systems

Product       Description                                Retail   Show

LaserBridge   Allows up to 5 LocalTalk printers to be     $199    $100
              shared on Ethernet

PowerBridge   Allows any Mac to be connected to Ethernet   149      75

SuperBridge   Allows up to 5 Macs and/or LocalTalk         249     125
              printers to be connected to Ethernet

Sonic Systems
333 W. El Camino Real #280
Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Tel: 408-736-1900
Fax: 408-736-7228

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: 7.1 not free?
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:28:50 GMT

roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:

>	Except that Apple recommends, and various people have told me
>to heed their recommendation, that you don't just drop the tuner file
>into your extensions folder, but rather you *reformat* your hard disk
>and completely re-install the system plus the tune up from scratch.
>Hardly what I'd call being up and running without headaches.
>Apparantly, some of the bugs in 7.0.1 that the tuneup fixes can leave
>your hard disk in a damaged state that Disk First Aid can't fix.

Not exactly...  Apple says that you should run Disk First Aid, and
_if_ there _IS_ already a problem you should reformat, etc.  If there
are no current problems, the Tuneup alone will keep the disappearing
files problem from happening.

>	Anyway, since when is a collection of bug fixes a "tuneup"?
>Sort of like Ultrix man pages turning the "Bugs" section into the
>"Restrictions" section.

I dunno, it makes sense to me...

	-=Alan
From: brecher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: SpeedyFinder7 vs. CopyDoubler
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:13:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.BRECHER.92Oct2021326
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: brecher@husc8.harvard.edu's message of 2 Oct 92 00:14:07

First an apology:
 
Some of you may have seen an earlier post by me in which I said some rather (!)
negative things about SpeedyFinder7 in the hour or so before I canceled it.
My animosity was misplaced due to a mental mixup between SpeedyFinder7 and
System7Pack.  I did not mean to criticize SpeedyFinder7, with which I in
actuality have no experience (yet).  If you did see it, everything I said
holds true for System7Pack, but I'm not going to repeat my tirade here.
 
Keeping this thread on subject, I would like to point out that there are at
least two other items that enhance copying in the System 7.x Finder:
System7Pack (which I obviously don't recommend) and Finder7Improvements.
Unlike SpeedyFinder7, both of these do require permanent modifications to the
Finder (which isn't necessarily a bad thing...)
 
All three of these items are available by anonymous ftp from
mac.archive.umich.edu:
 
/mac/system.extensions/cdev/speedyfinderseven1.53.sit.hqx
/mac/util/organization/finder7patches.cpt.hqx
/mac/util/organization/system7pack3.0.cpt.hqx
 
                                        jonathan brecher
                                        brecher@husc.harvard.edu
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Interesting system error
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:24:07 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine


	OK, here's an interesting system bug.  We've got a hard disk
that crashed.  I decided to just trash everything on it and reinstall
from scratch, so I booted off the 7.0.1 Disk Tools floppy, did a
"Select All" on the hard disk and dragged everything into the trash.
At that point, I got the normal dialog box with the thermometer
showing how many items were left to throw away.  That's when it got
wierd; it counted down by 10's to 0, and kept going!  It started
counting -10, -20, -30, etc, and the grey bar in the thermometer just
kept growing right off the end of the thermometer.  Cute.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rhorn@csws7.ic.sunysb.edu (Robert Horn)
Subject: Re: SE/30 Questions
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:57:05 GMT

In article <hwa-021092094458@jones.jhuapl.edu> hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu (Hani W. Akhras) writes:
>I have an opportunity to be a used SE/30. Do anyone have
any comments on whether or not its worth it as compared to some of apples

>Any comments would be appreciated.

Why would you want to be a used SE/30? Is your life so sad and
pathetic that you're willing to throw everything away and become a
used computer? How is this possible? It's a nice enough machine, but
why don't you become a fireman instead?

(yes, yes, yes, I felt compelled to show the entire civilized world my
juvenile sense of humor... )


-- 
rhorn@ic.sunysb.edu           Never choose a college because it has a duckpond.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:12370 comp.sys.mac.apps:15131
From: rar@athena.mit.edu (Roger A Roach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: ARA, do I need two copies to connect two Macs?
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:32:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

According to the license agreement that I got with ARA:

"This License allows you to make up to a maximum number of three copies of the
Apple Software for use on Apple computers owned and/or operated by you.  In
addition, you may also make one copy of the Apple Software in machine-readable
form for backup purposes only."

That sounds pretty clear to me.

Roger Roach
MIT IS Operations & Systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: d88-jwa@alv.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: Screen Snapshot
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Originator: d88-jwa@alv.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<bobjen-021092082232@bobjenner.ntu.edu.au>
	<dowdy-021092161519@90.10.20.25>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:03:34 GMT

> dowdy@apple.com (Tom Dowdy) writes:

   I personally think FKEY 3 should have made a "click" noise, and then
   make the shutter noise when it is all done.  But then again, maybe
   it isn't that important... :-)

If interface isn't important, then WHAT IS?

-- 
Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Sweden, Phone +46-8-107069

"From now on, I think I'll re-label the EQ on the
 desk as Fizz and Wobble, rather than HF and LF."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman)
Subject: Re: Setup for BBS needed
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 18:48:49 EDT

<U26606@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>   I am interested in setting up a small local BBS, supporting 1-10 dialup lin
> I realize there will be a significant difference on how I continue depending 
> the number of lines.  But for now I am interested in hearing what other peopl
> have done if they have set up BBS.  I want to serve only to Macs to start wit
> but may expand.  What kind of software do I need, I want the interface of the
> dial in lines to be accessible by any VT100 based Comm program and kermit.

Just don't use Hermes. It's not YET stable at version 2.0, the author is a 
jerk and has no concept of support, and has charged to upgrade to version 
2, which doesn't even run correctly.

Hermes is a bigger headache than it's worth.


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From: dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Chicago font disappeared
Date: 28 Sep 1992 15:05:55 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

This morning when I turned on my IIsi (System 7.0.1, Tuneup 1.1.1)
the title bar of finder and application windows displays in New
York instead of Chicago. Looking in the System suitcase I see that
there is no file for Chicago (I think I had left a bit-mapped
Chicago in there when I removed all the TrueType fonts). Even if I
had removed all the Chicago files and the Chicago being used came
from the ROM, why did it forget where the Chicago is at this point
when I haven't made any changes in the system at all lately?
Anybody have any clue at all about what might be going on? I can
still use chicago as a document font from applications, and the
menu titles are still in Chicago; I ran Disk First Aid and Norton
Utilities (thinking that the Finder might have been corrupted or
something) but nothing wrong according to them.
-- 
Dana E. Keil           Department of Agricultural and Resource Economics
dana@are.Berkeley.EDU                 University of California, Berkeley
From: larimer@zeus.cdc.com (Mark D. Larimer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: "Why I hate System 7..."
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:16:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: shamash.48255
Organization: Control Data Systems, Inc.
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X-XXDate: Sat, 3 Oct 92 01:15:42 GMT

In article <16874E5EF.JWEST@r3vm.dsd.trw.com> Judson West, 
JWEST@r3vm.dsd.trw.com writes:
>>>
>>> Awh come on you guys..... You don't know what a PIG OS is....
>>>
>>> I run MS/DOS w/Windows ("I'm not worthy.. I'm not worthy..") and DOS
>>> takes up 2MB! Windows takes up >5MB. After those two hogs and few
>>> applications (Word, Excel, 3270 emulator) I don't have room to spit on
>>> my 60MB harddrive...
>>
>>this was a joke, right?
> 
>What part didn't you understand? I was reading the thread about people
>complaining that the MAC OS takes from 1-3MB. I wanted to throw my 2
cents
>worth in by saying that on an IBM-type system, to get to a similar
>environment takes from 7MB-up. Now I'm not passing judgement on either
OS.
>In fact, I think DOS/Windows is very piggy. I just wanted to bring some
>perspective to the topic.

Judson--

I think what you don't understand is the previous articles in the thread
were discussing how much INTERNAL memory the OS requires once loaded, then
you popped on about how much drive space you need for DOS and Windows and 
a few apps.  Apples and oranges...

Mark D. Larimer
(Control Data Systems, Inc.) && (University of Minnesota)
Internet: larimer@cdc.com

Go Meanies (3-1) !!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system