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From: ylsul@athena.mit.edu (Young Sul)
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:28:02 GMT

I cast my vote for buckles! I've had a pair of Skate Attacks with laces, and
they took about 20 minutes to get them tight enough for me. After about 
an hour of skating, I'd have to tighten AGAIN...bogus!

With my Aeroblades, it takes me very little time to switch from skates to 
shoes...I don't find the buckles restrictive at all. The best part is that
I can get better ankle support with a buckle than with laces. One problem
you may encounter is that its easy to over tighten with buckles -- be careful
or you might cut off the circulation to your feet!

			-y
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From: adchen@room.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:03:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.031402.462@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace) writes:
>
>Just as an after thought, you might check out the Baker Rink over
>at Princeton University.  They may have summer ice available.

I think Baker Rink had it's last ice days several weeks ago.  I don't know 
if they ever ice it up during the summer, but my impression is that the 
schedule pretty much revolves around hockey season (no guarantees on this, 
I'm just a student here 8-).


-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: inline mail order companies
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:18:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Dept. of Cognitive and Neural Systems

Does anyone have a list of inline skating mail order companies in
the U.S. (preferably annotated)?  Here is my list so far:

#######
Skates off(on) Haight
San Francisco, CA
800-554-1235
Good selection.  Prices moderate.  Dislikes Rollerblade products.
Does not take returns unless there is something defective, etc.

#######
SMR Sports
708-387-0283
My one attempt to order was unsuccessful -- nothing arrived (and no
money was charged) and additional phone calls were not returned.

#######
Dave's (Minneapolis)
?
Good return policy -- they took back my SwitcHits when I saw that I
did not like them.

#######
Inline Direct
Hmmm... Number I have is no good anymore.  Is this company still in
business?  Price list looks good, but not a lot of selection.

#######

If you have additions, you could e-mail them to me and I will post an
updated list.
--
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and Cognitive & Neural Sys. Dept.            (also rosen@mnhepc.hep.umn.edu)
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From: nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:28:56 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA

In article <1992Apr17.21114.17039@ms.uky.edu> kevins@primitives.inslab.uky.edu (Kevin Solie) writes:

>Ive been inlining for a while now and Ive found the break on these things
>useless. Not sure what to do in a pinch. I've found that When going down hills
>at a decent speed I can slow down by doing the old skiing trick side to side.

Arrrrrgh!

Kevin...before you go hurt yourself learn how to use the &^&*^ brake.
It isn't useless and it could save you some road rash or from becoming
road pizza.  

I'm assuming that you know the basic foot position (which for RB
owners is in the tiny booklet they include with the skate) for
braking.  So to practice use a slight incline (the incline helps a
little since it gives a slightly better angle from brake to ground as
well as a some speed to practice with) and put as much weight on the
thing, without losing balance and falling down, as you can.

The more weight on the brake the faster you stop (which for a shallow
incline should be pretty quick ;-).  If you can't get the right angle
with your foot then shave the brake slightly (say 15-25 degrees) to
get more leverage (I'm assuming the normal RB square brakes).

Better yet find a skating store that has people who know how to stop
to give you a demonstration on stopping.  Half the battle is knowing
the thing will stop you and trusting it enough to put enough weight on
it so it can work (and having sufficient balance to do so).

And it does work...you can get tremendous stopping ability even on
steep hills and high speeds.  Just like in a car though...higher
speeds equals greater stopping distance.

I apologise if I sound irate but I'm getting real tired of listening
to Albert beat the dead horse about the rear inline brakes being some
sort of engineering boondogle.  As far as I can tell (from talking to
the few oldtimer outdoor quad skaters around here) the rear brake is
the prefered method of braking for outdoor skaters...and the only
useful inline brake around.

>                                              Kevin Solie


--
Nigel Tzeng
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From: tblackma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom Blackman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Areo vs Cool or is it Kool?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:55:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr16.160129.28410@ms.uky.edu> soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) writes:
>Anybody have any idea what the difference is -- other than the wheels which  
>come on the things...I *assume* the clearance is the same and I could slap on a  
>set of the 908 (77mm?) wheels at some later date ? Also what might be a good  
>price for these beasts...A local place had Areo's for $295 and the others for  
>$275, I only found one mail-order dealer and they were $259 and $249, but  
>recently a new local place quoted me $240 even for the Cools...I'm not real  
>fond of either local place as they barely know what these things are...
>
>thanx in advance,
>
A friend of mine just bought a pair of cools and he loves them.  The only       difference between Aeros and Cools is that the liner does not remember your
foot shape and the wheels are not the same type as the Aeros.  They did appear
to have the same size (77mm) but they had a larger hub than the Aero wheels.

He paid $250 for his skates but i don't know what the list is so I can't 
compare them.

-- 
tblackma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu--------------------------Thomas Blackman
Paint em all, let the judges sort em out.          Go team Tippmann
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From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: Petrenko as Pro
Organization: Yale Haskell project
	<1992Apr7.120843.19759@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
	<1992Apr7.181532.14258@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1992Apr13.112020.17846@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:11:51 GMT

htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:

 - Anybody else wonder about Katarina Witt's victory in light of her Diet Coke
   commercials and the fact that Coke sponsored this event?  Though her 
   technical program was the best I've seen from her in a long time and her 
   artistic was better than in her show, I can't help but think Debi Thomas got
   robbed.

Yup, me too.  I was actually wondering if there wasn't a possible
conflict of interest with Hamilton winning on the men's side, as well;
after all, CBS is a major sponsor of the event too, from paying $$$
for the TV rights.  But I don't think Hamilton himself would be a
party to rigging the judging.  I've heard that he's been trying hard to
make professional competitions more respectable, with more consistent
rules and judging and a union (?) to look after the skaters'
interests.

-Sandra
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From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman - CONS)
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:23:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.172508.2996@lrmsc.loral.com> robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960) writes:
   ... You are, of course, correct about the speed issue. Buckles
   _are_ faster than laces.

Why, just the other day I was at a race, and ALL the top finishers had
buckles! Some of them only had four wheels, even! (Sorry, couldn't
resist! :-)
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:10:23 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <52910004@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) writes:
> I had a somewhat scary experience on my inlines today.   I was skating on
> an asphalt bike/walk path (approximately 6 feet wide), ~15 mph (had the
> wind at my back...
...
> Anyway, I'm not particularly happy with the way I handled the emergency.
> Other than the fact I managed to get though it without seriously injuring
> any bystanders or myself, it seemed to be pretty sloppy.
> I've been practicing my stop religiously, but it isn't anywhere near
> automatic, and I'm not sure that I could've stopped that quickly even standing
> on the brake.  Any skating gods have some advice on emergency techniques?
> (other than what is in the FAQ list, that is).

Probably the best thing is to occasionally skate with a friend
who can call out "STOP!" at some random intervals, whereat you try
your best to stop quickly.  Don't do it so often you tense up or
are prepared, but after several tries, your braking should improve.

Remember you don't have to stop completely, just be able to knock back
your speed to the point where you can eaily sidestep the twit or mabye
give him a little nudge.

Need I say "skate defensivly"?  You really should expect any bunch
of confused skaters or civilians to move at random - in the gateway
situation you describe, it's really your responsibility to be
"in control", no matter how foolish the other folk act...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Olympic demo sport
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:56:45
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: adchen@room.Princeton.EDU's message of Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:11:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.201102.5313@Princeton.EDU> adchen@room.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen) writes:

   In article <1992Apr9.114030.3866@actrix.gen.nz> paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
   >Do my eyes deceive, or is Roller Hockey one of the demonstration
   >sports at the Summer Olympics in Spain?

   I think rollerhockey has been an event in the Pan American Games.  I'm not
   sure how often those run, but I've yet to see a rollerhockey event
   televised.  

Speaking of rollerhockey as a demo sport -- are roller-XXX where XXX is
dance,freestyle, etc up as demo sports in the summer Olympics?

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:55:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.17APR199210553500
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <52910005@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) writes...
>(I normally use the 'on your left' call, although, as others have noted,
>distance and wind noise sometimes make this pretty futile).
> 
>However, I've always wondered what do about the large number of individuals
>that jump like startled rabbits when I do this.  Some people jump right off
>the path (I've actually had a couple people leap INTO my path).  I almost

..

>Anyone figured out a good way of warning without startling, or is this just
>an inevitable effect of sharing the road with people who have no clue as to

No, it's not inevitable. In an earlier post I suggested a construct like
"Skater passing on the left"; part of the point of this is the extra
words before you finally get to the word "left" serve to switch the
person into listening mode and help remove the startle response. You
also have to give the verbal warning early enough to allow them to
react. If the pedestrian (or other trail user) hasn't reacted,
slow down and *don't* pass until they know you're there or until you
know there's sufficient clear space.

For all of us who use these trails, (roads, sidewalks, etc), it is 
an interesting, and I'll claim a necessary experience to use the
very same trails in a different mode. If you're a skater, walk or
jog the trails a few times to learn first hand what the experience is
of being passed.


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: bregman@ds2.uh.cwru.edu (Dave Bregman)
Subject: Rollerblade vs California Pro
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:49:19 GMT

I have an opportunity to purchase either a California Pro 800T or the
Rollerblade Lightning 608 for the same price. ($169.95)  Both are the '92
models.  A local in-line skate store is having a sale on the 800T.  The sales
person says the the 800T is every bit as good as the Aeroblade if not better.
Is this true or not?  I really like the Aeroblade, but I'm not fond of the
price.  I'm undecided about going with a well known name like Rollerblade or
taking a chance with the 800T.  Any help would be much appriciated.  You can
e-mail me directly or post to the group.


Dave

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From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:25:08 GMT

I think you can get just as good a fit with buckles as with laces. Maybe
better. You are, of course, correct about the speed issue. Buckles _are_
faster than laces. A key seems to carefully examine the method used to
attach the buckle to the boot. My daughters boyfreind is on his second
pair of RollerBlades (forget which model, but they are a combination lace/
single top buckle). The first pair he had lost a buckle on his _first_
outing. The buckles are held on with a single rivet. I would expect him to
lose another one with this pair. I'd look for buckles that had at least two
attachment points. Does anybody know if any one makes these?

Gary

PS - He bought them at Herman's who immediatly replaced them.
-- 
Gary Robishaw                    "The only trouble with instant gratification
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com           is that it takes so long!"
408/432-5960                                          Me
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
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From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Olympic demo sport
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:34:01 GMT


BTW, I read the other day that these Olympics are the last to have
demo sports (I think they decided to limit the number of sports, for
a while at least, since the number of participating teams is increasing
at a terrific rate :->  ).   I think the rules used to say that demo
sports needed to be run more than once to becone eligible for full
status, but I think Short Track occurred only at Calgary before, so
ther may be a special case for current candidates. 

	We'll get a chance to see.

-- 
Nothing happens here

	...Wex
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From: savaged@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Duncan Savage)
Subject: Re: HELPS ***
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  8 Apr 92 03:19:43 GMT

ple@fraser.sfu.ca (Phan Le) writes:

>  Hi yer all,

>    This is my first time posting to this group so please be gentle :)
>O.k, I have a couple of questions.  First of all, is it possible to
>do figure skating on hockey skates ?  I've tried and well, not much
>luck.  I've seemed to lost my balance after a couple of complete spins ???

Well, not really- figure skates are designed specifically to let you do neat
tricks lick spins, jumps and turns. You can do a certain amount on hockey
skates, just as on in-line skates, but the skates will restrict your progress.
They also lend themselves to a different posture to that desirable for figure 
skates. Try to skate like a figure skater on them, and it'll probably get
ugly.
This said, it should be possible to do some jumps and two-foot spins, and all
of the usual turns, on hockey skates, but there's much less of a margin for 
error and, besides, it really won't help you much if you want to get "serious."

>Secondly, is it normal to get back pain after your skating session ?
>I usually got back pain but then the pain gone after a couple of hours ???  
>(If it helps, I'm doing a lot of jumps) during my session.

Hey, what's "normal?" I've got back pains from time to time- sometimes minor,
sometimes debilitating. Just think about your general posture and whether
you're putting undue strain on your back. It's probably coming from your basic
skating stance being a bit forced.
Interestingly enough, the most severe
back problems have been from doing too many axels- the lifting through of the
right foot on take-off uses some muscle in the lower lumbar region. Overuse caused
a spasm, and a resultant realignment of the lower vertebrae.

In short, take it easy- try not to strain it too much, but don't baby it- 
modern medical practice for back complaints is exercise soon after the injury.

>    For those of you who can do a double axel out there, any tips or hints
>you can give me ?  Everytime I jumped up, I can only do a 180 degree
>turn before I land, I've tried to do a 360 degree (just for now), yet
>I can't seem to do it.  Does the skate I'm wearing have some impact on
>this ?

Second question first- yes!
first question- try figure skates and a coach.

>    Any info. would be greatly appreciated.  Thank-you all !


>___Phan___

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From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark S. Burnham)
Subject: Re: Rollerblade vs California Pro
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:17:51 GMT

In article <bregman.703298959@ds2.uh.cwru.edu>, bregman@ds2.uh.cwru.edu (Dave Bregman) writes:
> 
> I have an opportunity to purchase either a California Pro 800T or the
> Rollerblade Lightning 608 for the same price. ($169.95)  Both are the '92
> models.  A local in-line skate store is having a sale on the 800T.  The sales
> person says the the 800T is every bit as good as the Aeroblade if not better.
> Is this true or not?  I really like the Aeroblade, but I'm not fond of the
> price.  I'm undecided about going with a well known name like Rollerblade or
> taking a chance with the 800T.  Any help would be much appriciated.  You can
> e-mail me directly or post to the group.
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
I have the California Pro "Nitro-Line" skates and am reasonably happy with
them.  I don't know what the 800T is, but mine are basically RollerBlade TRS
clones (laces and buckles).  The one problem I had with them was California 
Pro's round brake system.  I couldn't find a new brake *anywhere*,
and had to buy a RollerBlade brake mount and brake, which fit perfectly.
You might want to check on availability at the shop for replacement 
brakes!

The other thing I'm mildly displeased with is the lining.  The TRS lining
seems much better, although in all fairness my skates only cost $150.

I wouldn't worry about parts too much.  I think it's pretty unlikely that
you'll break a buckle and need replacement parts.  Replacement wheels are
standard.  I just bought a set of Kryptonics "Turbo Lite" 72.5 mm wheels
and they just bolt right in.

Just my $.02...

Good luck with whatever you choose!

- Mark (markb@wc.novell.com)
From: ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Ambroziak)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: durometer question
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:42:07 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm looking for my first pair of in-line skates and am looking for
skates with good, fast, durable wheels.  To my great surprise, noone
seems to know how the durometer rating relates to durability or hardness.

Could someone please tell me what the basis of the durometer rating is
(seems to range from 78 to 85).  If you don't know the technical basis,
could you please give me some idea of how a lower rating is better as
per feel and durability.  

Any input is greatly appreciated.  I rented a cheap pair of skates this
weekend and really ate through the wheels in about 8 hours of skating on
fairly smooth paved surfaces.

Thanks,   John
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 10 Apr 1992 16:20 EST  

In article <jcl59c@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, ian@lassen.wpd.sgi.com (Ian Clements) writes...
>In <1992Apr10.162434.28244@arris.com> rec@arris.com (Roger Critchlow) writes:
> 
>>I clap or click the plastic parts of my wrist guards together when I'm
> 
> I think adopting the calls used by cyclists is a very good approach. 
>For example; "On your left" means that I'll pass on your left side.  Same
>holds true for "On you right".  Be sure to acknowledge the pedestrian's 
>effort of moving with a "thank you" as you go by.  Also, try not to be 
>negative when calling out.
> 

Amplifying on this, I've found people appreciate hearing what you are,
also: "Skater on your left", etc; if there are two or more of you giving
the number helps too: "Three skaters on your left".


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman - CONS)
Subject: Re: Roces Skates
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:06:58 GMT

from March 92 Ski Trade News comes distributor info for Roces: call
Excel Marketing, 1-800/343-5200 for your nearest distributor. I
called, and they said Oregon Mountain Community in Portland, OR will
be selling Roces, for example.

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From: kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Skate race in Santa Clara
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:31:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA

(This information posted from a race flyer)

There will be a skate (inline and conventional) race held at the Mision
College Omnium on Staturday, April 18th starting at 9:00am.

Distances will be 100M, 300M, 500M, and a 10K pro/am.

From Highway 101 south, take Great America Parkway, and then turn left
at Mission College.

For more info, call the ORAA at (415) 864-5819.

The course is rumored to be flat and very smooth.

Kimon
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