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From: dream@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Morpheus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Summary: PAD, he's my BOY...The Mother can write some comedy!
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:46:11 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

> 
> No, actually, I thought "The Swatcher" was humourous.  So I can't blame you
> for the cliched plot elements.  The dialogue was humourous.  Like I said, I
> thought the story was over-par PAD with some minor grumbles.


Peter is indeed an excellent comedy writer. The most recent story in the 
Return of the Defenders about Hulk and Thing was Awesome.

Mike Simon

P.s.  Hey, I heard that Jim Lee and Neil Gaiman were doing a new 
Unlimited Hugga bunch/Night Nurse Team up series for Archie comics

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From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: Marvel Deaths
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:03:31 GMT

awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh) writes:

>OK, we all know no superhero/villain can die in the Marvel 
>Universe. Sure, some mortals do, Jean DeWolffe, Captain Stacy, 
>even Bucky. But no hero will die. Let's go over who will be 
>coming back soon.

>1) Doug/Cypher/Warlock. They'll probably come back together as some

>kind of symbiotic creature because they've combined so often.
>2) Masque. But it looks like she/he/it may have some trouble doing
>so. Maybe Apocalypse may grab her.
>3) Mr. Sinister. Oops, he's back. Someone explain to me why Scott's
>Optic Blast didn't quite do the trick.


>Now, who's the ONE hero who died and hasn't come back YET?

>None other than Captain Marvel. Yes, I'm almost positive that he's
>coming back as part of this Galactic Storm. Maybe this has already
>happened, if it has, I haven't seen it yet. His appearance in
>Silver Surfer was a little too coincidental with the Storm. When/
>if the Nega-bomb goes off, it'll probably bring him back to life,
>a combination of that and his dying again in death. 


Yes, I've heard CM is coming back.  It's very unfortunate, because IMO,
_THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN MARVEL_ GN was an excellent story.  I hate to 
see them "undo" this.

Roland

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From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted Faber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:48:51 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In <1992Apr7.231330.3206@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:

>>
>>The first, and presumably the second, _are_ considered canonical Wild
>>Cards material.
>>
>
>How?  Things that happen in the comic were rendered impossible by DEAD MAN'S
>HAND.

	Don't they fit into continuity before _Dead Man's Hand_?  If there
	are dates given in the comics (dates in the Wild Cards universe,
	not publication dates) that's easy to check.

	Even the books bounce timelines.  The first story in _Down and Dirty_
	(Book V) takes place while events in _Aces Abroad_ (Book IV) are
	still occurring, even though D+D was published several months after
	AA.  And due to the length of time covered in _Double Solitaire_ 
	(Book X) I'd bet there will be similar events in the next book (whose 
	name escapes me) that take place on Earth while events in DS are
	occurring ( ignoring, for the moment, what simultaneity means for
	such distantly separated places).

	So there's precedent for that kind of thing, and the authors are
	pretty good about adhering to the timeline, so we can probably
	check.
>
>------SCAVENGER

	Oh, great Dennis Miller quote (which I deleted), by the way.

A while ago I was in Las Vegas.  I was at the roulette table having a
 furious argument over what I considered an odd number.  --- Steven Wright

-- 
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From: douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:09:58 GMT
Organization: The Lion of Serrea

In article <1992Apr7.023000.10816@cis.umassd.edu>, stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt) writes:
> The first WC comic series/graphic volume was primarily written by
> Lewis Shiner (the creator of Fortunato), with the creators of
> characters handling sections specific to those characters; different
> artists worked on the different sections as well.  Most of it consists
> of retellings of the characters' histories, so there isn't too much
> there for those who have read all the books.  For those who haven't, I
> suppose it could be a reasonable introduction to the series, with some
> but not too many spoilers.
> 
> A second WC graphic story should be appearing soon in the four issue
> Epic Magazine series; but since it's sharing the magazine with three
> other features, the total will be about a quarter that of the first
> story.  Again, Lewis Shiner is the primary author.
> 
> The first, and presumably the second, _are_ considered canonical Wild
> Cards material.
> 
>       Michael Stoodt

	Which is kind of funny, because the first issue directly 
contradicts _Dead Man's Hand._  Anyone who's read the book should be 
astonished at the scene in the comic where Jay strolls around the Famous 
Bowery Wild Card Dime Museum and checks out the Monstrous Joker Babies.  
(Not to mention that the book says he'd never met Charles Dutton before, 
but that's a relatively minor quibble.)
			--Doug
"Howard the Duck, you stand accused of terminal negativism.  How do you plead?"
"Not guilty--by reason of sanity."
			--Steve Gerber
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From: Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Killing Joke (help needed)
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.231442.69690@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, clk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES LAYFIELD KEMMERER) writes:
> 
> My friend recently gave me some of his comics and among them was a copy of
> Batman:The Killing Joke.  The problem is that I don't know how to tell if its
> a first printing or not.  It has red printing on the cover if that helps.
> Please e-mail me with any responses.
> 
> 
>                             Thanks,
>                             Chuck Kemmerer
>                             clk0@lehigh.ns1.edu
> 
Well,

Since others have replied to your question, I'll take the opportunity to 
address a peripheral issue: what the heck does anyone care, anyway?  Especially
with a book like this.  In my opinion, paying inflated prices for a first
printing of Killing Joke when you can get an Xth printing for cover price
is idiotic.  I don't understand the rationale, maybe someone out there can
enlighten me.  

And yes, I think it's one of the best comics ever done.
Kevvy Kev
From: sasha.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Cyke-`Locke And Other Commentaries
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:26:40 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Time for me to jump in...

Cyclops may very well indeed be interested in Psylocke.  Evidence leading 
to this conclusion is in Unc-XMen (a issue or two ago).  The guys are 
chiding Cyke of how he never takes it easy and always talks and thinks 
shop.  Then Iceman (I think) brings up for general banter, "So, do you 
think Psylocke looks as good in person as in her exercise video?" or 
something of similar stripe.  Cyke was at a definite loss of words when 
the team was called away.  Random comment by someone:  "I'm not letting 
up on the subject.  I think I got him on something."  Or something like 
that.

What's interesting is that Jean's been listening in the shadows...

Whatever the case, Cyclops is in for a mind-blowing experience.


                                      - Sasha



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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: BLATHER: Sucking-up (and sucking out, sucking in... that's it! Aerobics!)
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:56:56 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

In <1992Apr2.025526.9051@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:

>In article <1992Apr1.023907.4106@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>>In <56533@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>>Either that or he just suffers from penis envy.
>>
>>[Say, are you allowed to say things like that *and* script THE LITTLE
>> MERMAID?]
>
>Well hey, Kate Worley wrote for ROGER RABBIT (as a "whore for Disney",
>as she put it.)

Yeah... Just think of the wasted cross-over potential in that case.  Hell,
Disney could have released the comic under Touchstone.  (I think it would be
appropriate to put "touch" in there somewhere.)

                           "No more cross-species sex
                            for you, Roger!"
                                                     "G-g-g-g-Gosh!"

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MARVEL:Re: Ex-Marvel Stuff
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:41:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: spool.1992Apr8.204104.19085
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In <4ds0ADG00awS9013Ze@andrew.cmu.edu> cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
	[ describing his idea for running marvel comics ]

As near as I can tell, having you in charge of Marvel wouldn't
necessarily be any better than DeFalco.

I'm not claiming you're an evil guy or anything, but your choices and
actions on all these books strongly reflects your personal preference.
Currently, Marvel books strongly reflect DeFalco's personal
preference.  I doubt I'd enjoy your version any more than his.
(Especially when you throw out my Avengers! :-))

I'd be much more interested in hearing what you would *realistically*
do with the books.  This means, I think, setting general policies for
your editors to follow.  I don't think you can just say, "This is my
creative team," and be done with it.  It's unlikely you can get all
the people you want, and it's more unlikely that they'll stay forever.


>1. The Amazing Spider-Man
>	By Michelinie, Bagley, and Emberlin. RARE GUEST STARS. This is
>primarily a Spider-Man title. Also, NO REPEATS OF VENOM OR CARDIAC
>WITHIN 2 YEARS OF EACH OTHER.

Here, for example, you give a policy and it's one I like.


>3. Thor, The God Of Thunder
>	The Mighty Thor is cancelled. Walt Simonson writes and pencils, Terry
>Austin inks. God of Thunder begins with issue #383.

This, on the other hand, reeks of dictatorship.

>10. Avengers Titles
>	The Avengers get royally wasted in the intro series, and both AV and
>AWC are cancelled. Black Knight, Captain Marvel, Vision, Hawkeye, Wonder
>Man, Scarlet Witch, and Mockingbird all die. Hercules returns to
>Olympus. Crystal returns to the Moon.

Obviously I dislike this partly because I like the Avengers, but I
also question it in terms of dictator-like powers.  I don't think
Crisis even killed this many super-heroes, did it?  The series killing
these characters off would most likely come off as an obvious ploy to
kill them (which would probably ruin the enjoyment of the story).

-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:23:50 GMT

The Claremontism I always got tired of was everybody calling everybody
else "Bunkie"  I have never heard anyone outside of a Claremont comic
use that term.  I was especially nausiated when the TERMINATOR used
the phrase in the X-Men/Titans crossover.  Sorry, that is NOT his character.
-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<--------------
It is said that the gods play games with the lives of men. But what games, and
why, and the identities of the actual pawns, and what the game is, and what the
rules are--who knows? Best not to speculate. Thunder rolled... It rolled a six.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 03:14:26 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Dark Empire - Nagging Question

This topic might possibly have been discussed here a long time ago, but I'm
kind of wondering about something. Is the DH Dark Empire plot supposed to
make sense continuity-wise with regard to Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" series?
In the first issue of Dark Empire, a synopsis reference is made to Admiral
Thrawn, which seems to link the two plots; other things such as Leia's twin
children seem to give the linkage credibility.  If we are to assume that the
Dark Empire plot does indeed follow Zahn's books in continuity, then,
apparently, we know several things about Zahn's upcoming books:
   1. NOBODY IMPORTANT DIES on the Rebel side.
   2. No serious dent is made in the remaining Imperial forces.
   3. Thrawn probably dies.
   4. C'baoth probably dies or reassumes seclusion as a "Guardian" figure.
   5. Palpatine hides the fact of his continued existence from everybody.
   6. Even if Luke and Mara hook up, she probably dies.

This sort of takes a certain degree of suspense out of the remaining Zahn
books, I think - not that most of these conclusions aren't the type that
people could come up with on their own ( The part about people not dying
is sort of reminiscient of Spock and McCoy in Star Trek VI ).  Also, there
could be some logical problem involving Byss, Coruscant, and the "Imperial
Planet" they were fighting on in Dark Empire #1.  Will the real seat of
power of the Galactic Empire please stand up???

--a.k.a. "Dave"
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Is Marvel 2099 Stan Lee's 'World of Tomorrow'?
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 14:31:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.195726.4864@ac.dal.ca>, rlawson@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> 
|> 	Peter A. David (or anybody else
|> who knows) is the Marvel 2099 line the
|> 'World of Tomorrow' project that Stan
|> Lee has been working on?

No... "John Byrne's NEXT MEN" is.

Really.

John turned in artwork for the project, Marvel editors wanted changes, John
refused, so he kept it and did his own series.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:47:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: aplcen.1992Apr9.194735.25171
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

In article <1992Apr9.172436.8343@cci632.cci.com> das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op)) writes:
>OK, here's a different take on the X-Judas. I propose Rogue.  Evidence
>and theories:
>
>	- she started as a villian
>	- after all these years (10?) we still know next to nothing about
>	  her, not even her real name.
>	- The tape of Jean Grey in the future speaks of power negations.  
>	  This points to either Rogue or Forge. 
>	- It would explain Gambit/Witness's silence, as he may not wish
>	  to point out his former girlfriend as the Judas.
>	- If she took out one member at a time, she could quite easily
>	  amass the raw power necessary to take out ANY of them.
>
By Jove, I think he's got it. It all fits into place.

I've got to admit, though, that I think Bishop's presence in the present (pun 
intended) will invalidate  the traitor. After all, in Bishop's future,
there is no Bishop in the X-Men. Unless Wolverine's secret past includes
a stint in the Roman Catholic hierarchy. :-)

I think this thread also proves something: the English language is
horribly ill-equipped  to deal with time travel. 
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital, just
with an incredible number of bits.
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Arthur C. Adams - E-Mail acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Moon Knight
Summary: Moon Knight
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:49:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr6.165224.16534@midway.uchicago.edu> ror1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>And also, are there any Moon Knight (old Moon Knight) fans out there?  Would 
>you like to form a posse with me so we can go and utterly kill and slay and 
>dismember Terry Kavanaugh for what he's doing to the book?  I want Chuck
>Dixon back, damn it!!!
>
	I stopped getting MK shortly after the "Trial of Marc Spector",
not because I thougt it was bad, but for economic reasons.  I am sad to 
hear that T. Kavanaugh is slaughtering it.  Could anyone elaborate how,
so I can put in my 2 cents?
>
>"A little man with a big eraser changing history
>Procedures that he's programmed to, all he hears and sees."  -MEGADETH

^---- Great quote  :)  Tom Defalco has a huge eraser judging by the
			immense retcons he's made.
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 22:42:36 CDT
From: <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: about the beautiful, untouchable Rogue
 <UdvWkyW00Vp0AlskdT@andrew.cmu.edu>

First off -- I don't know from this other Rogue Fan Club sitting around
but the one I've been a member of for four years is based out of North
Dakota, largely because that's where I'm based out of. Since I discovered
netdom, it's the one that I've been agressively (well, passive-agressively)
promoting across r.a.c., and anywhere else my sig.file ends up. We're the
ones with the monthly fanzine, a really rapidly growing membership list,
and the Catchy, Top-Secret, Super-Duper Club Secret Greeting ("Hi").
However, we don't have original Rogue art, largely because I don't have
much to sell. Perhaps an accordance will have to be made with this new
group.

As for Prof. X manipulating Rogue's powers -- yeah, New Mutants, mid-20s.
Xavier controls her powers so she only takes away the "alien" powers of
Cloak and Dagger from the unwilling bodies of Sunspot and Wolvesbane. Like
most changes in Rogue's powers, never backed up again in the literature. (heh)

>>>>>  CTHULHU IN '92! -- Why vote for the LESSER evil?  <<<<<
In related news:  George Bush is the Anti-Kate. Details at 11.
David Henry/Rogue Fan Club/Chaos Anonymous (ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet)
                                          (ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu)
What was your question? --K //Thanks... for the memories. -- Rogue
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: WELCOME TO REC.ARTS.COMICS
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:40:20 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <rdippold.702940041@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> 
> DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> 
>> What exactly is the Floating Homosexuality Flamewar? Was this some
>> kind of crossover series?
> 
> If this is serious (either way it's quite funny), it refers to the
> fact that mentioning any of the following subjects:  homosexuality,
> abortion, religion, politics, evolution/creationism, Amigas, will
> result in a intense mini-flame war.  Some flamewar on these subjects
> is _guaranteed_ by the Conservation of Flameage laws to be occuring
> somewhere on the net at all times.
> -- 
> Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

Y'see, I was sitting at my Amiga perusing some files about the platforms
of the candidates for the upcoming election for the executive positions
in the Society For Scientific Creationism, when my lesbian friend Wilma 
interrupted me with her problems about how her bisexual lover couldn't 
get an abortion because her church didn't allow it.

OOPS!  I wasn't supposed to say that!  SORRY (never happen again)

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MARVEL: Re: X-notes, X-traitor
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:49:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr15.171357.6548@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>>>>True... and she was also a white, British model who probably couldn't
>>>>perform a single ninja action if her life depended on it.  Nor could
>>>>she endlessly prattle on about her "psychic knife."  But then, I'm
>>>>just nitpicking here.  (Personally, I think she was using her powers on
>>>>Cyclops, but I have no idea why.  Maybe Psylocke is the traitor...)
>>>
>>>	I agree.  I think Psylocke used her powers on Scott.  Examine the
>>>panel again and note the hazy outline.  As for Psylocke being the traitor,
>>>it's possible, but considering the fact that I heard the X-writers haven't
>>>decided yet, I tend to think the whole traitor plotline will be dropped.
>>>	As for a white, British model performing ninja actions, haven't you
>>>ever seen that Lee Van Cleef opus, "The Master" ?  If an aging bad actor can
>>>flip over helicopter blades, Psylocke should have no problem.    :)
>>>
>>>						L8R,
>>>					Raythrax (yes, that is my real name)
>>
>>Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name, which I doubt), I have
>>seen "The Master" (actually, I saw the "Master Ninja II" episode of
>>"Mystery Science Theater 3000," but that's beside the point).  The point
>>I was making was that Psylocke was white, British, and in no way resembled
>>a ninja.  Then she goes through the Seige Perilous, winds up with the
>>Hand, and suddenly she's an Oriental ninja!  How'd that happen?
>>
>	OK, I didn't catch the change in culture from Caucasian to
>Oriental.  Then again, Wolverine went from Canadian to Japanese to
>Cthulhu knows what.  Before you know it, they'll reveal that Gambit is
>really a Nordic immortal barbarian and subsequently lead Highlord.  Boy,
>sometimes it's better if they leave a character's background alone rather
>than fill in uncharacteristic details.
>
>					Doubt what you will,
>							Raythrax

Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name), I think I've finally 
figured it out!  When Psylocke emerged from the Seige Perilous, she didn't
wind up with the Hand, but rather on the Skrull Throneworld.  The Skrulls
gave her powers to one of their warriors, who then went to Earth, and 
decided, just for fun, to make her comrades believe she became Oriental.
All this will be revealed in Uncanny X-Men #300, guest-written by Tom
DeFalco, in which Psylocke returns to Earth, and the Skrull is killed by
Jean Grey, and subsequently forgotten by #301.  Honest.
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