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From: Ralph.C.Lindenfeld@dartmouth.edu (Ralph C. Lindenfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Svea 123R (where to get a cookset for one)
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:58:22 GMT
 <1992Aug28.144403.17552@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hi-
    Some of my fondest memories of childhood consist of sitting around
a flaring Svea waiting for the beans to get warm... So naturally I was
extremely pleased when I found one for $15 at a yard sale. (I couldn't
get my parents to part with theirs.) Problem is, aside from the
windscreen (2 part) and the lid/pan that came with the Sigg Tourist
cookset, there's no pot included. I've made due the last two years with
another pot, but it doesn't fit very well. I was wondering if someone
makes a replacement set for the Svea. Stainless would be nice, but
aluminum will do.

thanks,

Ralph Lindenfeld
From: denson@sdd.hp.com (Craig Denson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Is there water in on PCT in S.Sierra?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 12:38:58 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdln.sdd.hp.com

  A Sierra Club group is planning a trip leaving from the Horseshoe
Meadows campground near Lone Pine, going south over Mulkey Pass and
continuing on the PCT to Olancha Pass and coming out at Sage Flats.

  There is some question as to the availability of water on the
southern end of this route. Has anyone been there recently and found
water? 

email responses would be best.

craig denson
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: paale@stud.cs.uit.no (Paal Ellingsen)
Subject: Re: How about 10.2 lead ropes?
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:29:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.231856.3408@guinness.idbsu.edu>, jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn) writes:
|> Just a quick, general question about using 10.2 ropes for 
|> multi-pitch backcountry rock climbs.  Basically, I may be
|> leading on one of these hummers in the Wind Rivers(Wyoming), and I've
|> been spoiled by years of either looking at 11mm or two 9mm
|> ropes.  Can these skinny little things actually hold a real
|> fall????  Are they really 'solid' for leading things other
|> than massively bolted sport routes?  Just interested in opinions.

You shouldn't worry about a 10.2 mm rope breaking because of a fall, even if it
is a really long one. However, the danger of having the rope cut by falling
stones or sharp edges is of course greater with a thin rope.

                                                           Paul
From: sawtelle@mariposa.stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: WAS: Mono Pass...     BEARS! (Oh my!)
Date: 25 Aug 92 08:08:40 GMT
Reply-To: sawtelle@stonecutter.com
Organization: Stonecutter Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


 In article <8490005@hplred.HP.COM> (rec.backcountry),
fitzhugh@hplred.HP.COM (Andrew Fitzhugh) writes: > I've heard several
people say they fought off bears by throwing stones > -- is that really
such a good idea?

In Yosemite National Park the line on this particular subtopic (as heard
from the person who gave me my wilderness permit a couple weeks ago) is
"throw things toward the bear, but don't hit them." This more aggressive
than the advice they used to give, but I don't know when they changed it.

---
Don Sawtelle:Stonecutter Software:Mariposa, CA
sawtelle@stonecutter.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Nalgene bottle lids (kiss them off!!)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:42:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvca.1992Aug31.204245.10085
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA


Re: Using coke bottles for water

jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
: 
: I'm now using these disposable plastic bottles for water bottles
: _and_ for carrying powders of all sorts.  You can get them in
: 16oz, 20oz and two liters - great for carrying things like
: instant milk, instant mashed potatoes, gatorade, minute rice, 
: cous cous and so on.....

I can find the 16oz & 2-liter sizes out this way, but not the
20oz size.  Just what comes in this size, and are they available
on the west coast, more specifically Oregon?

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
From: tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Svea 123R
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:09:49 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In the vein of leaky Sveas and bombhood --- I had the filler cap begin to
get wierd on one trip (naturally in the middle of a week long backpack).
Was able to carve a new seal out of a plastic tub (originally held
margarine or something), and got us thru the trip, tho it showed significant
evidence of attack by gasoline by the end of the trip.

I tip given to me when I purchased a new O-ring for the filler, was to
store the stove dry and with the cap very loose or not on the stove at all,
this will make the O-ring last almost indefinitely.  (Rather than storing
it full of feul with the cap cranked down tight).
--
	Tom Trebisky	ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu
...."There's no sense in being precise when you don't even
.... know what you're talking about." 
                       - John von Neumann
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Reading this group too much
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:31:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Aug27.175518.2450@colorado.edu> sherod@news.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod) writes:
>You know you have been reading RB too long when the salesperson
>tells you that the boots you are looking at have low impact soles
>and you wonder how they decide which tread designs have the least
>effect on the enviroment.

These shoes have low impact soles.  The soles fall apart on your way to
the backcountry, so you change your mind about going.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 16:20:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <Sep03.001056.71444@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <14315@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>
>>Let see.  So far this month we've had someone suggest pushing someone off a
>>cliff for building cairns and now shooting or using an ice axe on someones
>>dog.
>>
>>I think some people are taking the backcountry experience way too serious.
>
>With backcountry, as with any resource, thns.  Welcome to the future
>we're leaving for our children.
>the more people will fight over what remains.

Hmm.  This should have read:

With backcountry, as with any resource, the more scarce it becomes,
the more people will fight over what little remains.  Welcome to the future
we're leaving for our children.


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Svea 123R: Now Optimus 8R
Keywords: memories of Svea
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:10:49 GMT

daryl@rt2.menzies.su.edu.au (Daryl Webb) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.212201.16339@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes:
>>
>>Also at a swap meet bought this big Primus/Optimus stove.
>>It is box like with a brass tank cylinder inside.  When you open the box
>>up, this hinge section in front moves forward and the tank slides forward
>>along with it.
>>
>>Anybody know what this is?
>>I did fire it up once, but now it is waiting in my shed for some group
>>camping venture when I think I need it's "firepower".
>>Someone told me I can get exchangeable tips for it and burn everything
>>from white gas, to kerosene and diesel feul.

>Sounds like an Optimus 8R to me, big solid blue case, brass tank etc.  Used
>to call them CHOOFERS, cause thats what they do. *(-: 

Not an 8R. This is the 111B (I think). I have an 8R and they are not large.

>You need to be careful using big pots on them.  If the brass tank gets too
>hot the pressure relief valve in the fill cap releases and you end up with a
>very impressive roman candle (and singed eyebrows).  Same as a blow out on
>SVEA's and 00's.  I think they run Kero but I'm not 100% sure.  If you cant
>find out else where  E-mail me and I'll look it up.

The 8R and its larger sibling run white gas. If you bought the mini-pump for
the 8R,  the roman candle warning is especially true. If my memory serves me,
the 111B has a built-in pump.

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: susswein@anrchy.cxo.dec.com (Steve Susswein)
Subject: Climbing or Backpacking partner wanted for Labor day weekend
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, Co
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:36:57 GMT


Labor day weekend is only a week away and I still don't have any solid
plans.  Anyone out on the net interested in getting together for a 3 day
backpacking, climbing, canyoneering, or river trip?

I'm located in Colorado Springs, and willing to travel as far as
northern New Mexico or Southern Utah.  

Steve

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: cci@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kar.c.cheung)
Subject: : Glacier pt to Merced, Washburn & Ottoway Lakes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:31:34 GMT
Keywords: Hiking at Yosemite


Hi all:

I am going to backpack for four days at Yosemite next week. I have selected
a hiking route from the book authored by Jeffrey Schaffer. The route starts
from Glacier point; it then pases Merced, Washburn and Ottoway lakes and
then back to Glacier point. The book recommends 5 days to complete this
48.6 miles loop with total gain of approximately  7000 ft. 

Since I will have 4 days to spend at yosemite, for those who have done this
route before, do you think whether this route can be done in 4 days without
rushing?  I am going with two friends. We are physically fit and live
in the east coast, and we are not sure whether we would be forced to
slow down considerably due to the higher altitude. 

BTY, I would also like to hear your recommendation on other 4 days
backpacking routes at Yosemite.

I would appreciate your help, and thanks in advance.

Pat Cheung



From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:06:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Hiking/backpacking references wanted for Colorado Rockies
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

> Can anyone recommend a good guide to hiking in Colorado?

Orme's Guide to the Colorado Mountains is an across-the-board standard.
The Colorado Mountain Club just came out with a new edition recently.
Beware, the older editions, at least, were frustratingly spare at times,
and seemed to assume top-notch athletic condition.  Dunno about the
latest one.  I still use my 15-year-old version, however, because it
often does provide good "numbers" and basic directions for
less-well-known areas.

That book, and many others are that are more specific (Fourteener
guides, Thirteener guides, local area hikes, ...), are readily available
at many bookstores, sports shops, National Park stores, etc.  around the
state.
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:10:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <14315@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>
>Let see.  So far this month we've had someone suggest pushing someone off a
>cliff for building cairns and now shooting or using an ice axe on someones
>dog.
>
>I think some people are taking the backcountry experience way too serious.

With backcountry, as with any resource, thns.  Welcome to the future
we're leaving for our children.
the more people will fight over what remains.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.nude
From: Herberg_David@tandem.com (David Herberg)
Subject: Re: Report: Conundrum Hot Springs, Colorado
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.193514.15971@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca 
(Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
> Conundrum Hot Springs is located in Conundrum Valley in the Maroon 
> Snowmass wilderness area.  At about 11,500 ft, there is an area where 
> hot water is oozing out of the ground.  Rocks are piled around several 
> springs, and one can soak in the comfortably warm 95 degrees spring,  
> while enjoying the view of the nearby Castle Peak (a fourteener.)

The springs are actually at 11,200 feet, and you can't see the summit of 
Castle Peak from the pool, since you are too close the the base and steep 
shoulder.  What you can see is Cathedral Peak, which, although it misses 
the 14K club by 47 feet, is more beautiful IMO than Castle Peak.

> To get there, take the Colorado highway 82 west towards Glenwood
> Springs.  Turn left at Maroon Creek Road, about a mile outside Aspen
> turn and left again immediately onto Castle Creek Road.  You go past
> Aspen Music School and several ranches, you will see Conundrum Road to
> the right, about 5 miles from the 82.

This is FR 128, in my memory marked only by a tiny sign with "128" on it.

> The main pool is about 10 ft long and 8 ft wide, and is about 2 ft deep
> By the time you reach here, you will notice 
> that you are walking in swamps.  In fact, hot water from the 
> ground is oozing out in the entire area, marked by black sediments.

Has the pool gotten shallower?  It was 3 ft deep in the 70's, with a stone 
floor.  We've had 25 people in there.  The oozing thoughout the general 
area is also new.

> The view from the springs is superb. Looking down the valley, you can see
> many peaks, Electric pass, and avalanche fields.  Just to the right is 
> Castle Peak, and behind you is an alpine meadow up to the Triangle pass.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
             \__ but you can't see the summit              /
                                                       ___/
This pass was called Conundrum pass in the 70's; my USGS map confirms 
this.  Triangle Pass was 1/2 mile away joining the Copper Creek drainage 
with East Maroon Creek.  From Triangle Pass, you could go three 
directions: down Copper Creek, down East Maroon Creek, or up to Conundrum
pass and then down Conundrum Creek.  I figured that's where the triangle
name came from.  However, a more recent Forest Service Map names the
Conundrum pass Triangle, and the Triangle pass Copper.  In the 70's,
there was no Copper Pass.  Go figure.

David Herberg, Herberg_David@tandem.com
From: tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Thread Sizes (was: Exploding fuel bottles)
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:27:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:
>If you are willing to have a stove JUST for "boot-packing" (some of
>call this car camping), the best I've seen are one of the two burner
>propane fueled Colemans.  You can actually do real cooking in these:
>omlets, stir-fry, bacon and eggs, etc.

You're making me hungry! :-)

I have a 2 burner Coleman aquired at a yard sale for just this purpose,
but what I am in the market for; for car camping is a propane job.
A friend of mine has one under the seat in his VW van.  Screw the nozzle
on top of any available feul bottle, snap a plastic base on the bottom
to stablize things.  The nice thing here is just twist a knob, light a
match and you are cooking.  The other folks are still pumping, pouring,
priming, and fussing.  (There is a place for that, but if you are gonna
talk car camping ...... ).
--
	Tom Trebisky	ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu
...."There's no sense in being precise when you don't even
.... know what you're talking about." 
                       - John von Neumann
From: schindler@csa3.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Info Request: Isle Royal Michigan
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:41:01 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: schindler@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

> 
>	* Any info regarding backpacking on the island.
>		Personal experiences
>		Good places etc...
> 

For info on Isle Royale write 
	Superintendent, Isle Royale National Park
	Houghton, MI 49931
Phone (906) 482-0984.

>There's plenty of good hiking trails.  I can't recommend
>one over another but I doubt you could make a bad choice.

Trails are very rocky and rooty in places and footing can be difficult.
Wear good boots and keep you center of balance a little lower than usual.

>There are lean-to's (?) in the camp grounds that have screen
>coverings with doors.  If you can get one of those, you
>won't need a tent.  The ones we saw at the end of June were
>all unoccupied.  You might want to check into getting a
>space reserved just in case.

In August it is difficult getting a shelter.  You need to get a free over-
night permit once you are on the island.  There is no reserving of spaces
at the campgrounds and often the ones on the shore are quickly taken up by
boaters.

> 
>	* Access to the island.
>		Driving distance/time from Chicago

Nine or ten hours from Chicago depending on lunch and dinner stops to Copper
Harbor ferry.  One hour less to the Houghton/Hancock ferry.

>	* Best time of year to backpack.
>		Weather
>		Bugs
> 
The ferries run from mid-May through October.  No access in winter.  
(In fact there were wolf traps in the middle of some of the trails
this past April so that the rangers could radio collar the wolves.)

> 
>There are plenty of moose on the island but wolf are rare.
>I think the ranger said that there are only about 15 on the
>island.  There are no bears on Isle Royale.
> 
12 wolves on the island now.  The population has been declining.
about 1600 moose on the island.  The are starting to over-burden
their food supply and their numbers should start dropping in the next few
years.


>	* Island/park rules
>		Campfires?
In most of the camps there is no campfires.

>		How long can you camp?
You can camp as long as you want for free at the remote camp sites.  
Only limit is food, fuel, and you have to be out by the end of October.  :)

>I *believe* you need a permit to stay overnight.  The only
>rule I remember was the prohibition of dogs on the island.
>This is because the decline in the wolf population is
>attributed to mainland dogs spreading the parvo virus.  

It is either the parvo virus or inbreeding.  Since the 50's when the 
wolves came to Isle Royale there has been no new blood in the 
gene pool and only a small pack came over in the first place.
It is hard to determine if inbreeding is the problem but it has 
been observed that the wolves have had a very low reproduction rate.

Aaron Schindler
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: Nalgene bottle lids (kiss them off!!)
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:41:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.164112.22589@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>  
bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.215118.12552@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>  
tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes:
> >
> >I have moved up to new technology:  lexan!!  I buy coke in a 2  
liter bottle
> >(or a 20 oz bottle), just make sure it has a plastic not a metal  
screw on
> >cap.  Voila -- you get to chug down some good healthy refreshment  
and
> >get the bottle for FREE!  

> A very good idea- I never thought they were tough enough.  But I
> need a wide-mouth bottle for winter use.  And I do like the
> attached lid-- is there a good way to attach the coke bottle cap?

> Thanks for the LOW tech-low cost suggestion.

I'm now using these disposable plastic bottles for water bottles
_and_ for carrying powders of all sorts.  You can get them in
16oz, 20oz and two liters - great for carrying things like
instant milk, instant mashed potatoes, gatorade, minute rice, 
cous cous and so on.....

--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com>
Subject: DUH.  Apology re. filter debate
Organization: NT/BNR
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 11:52:13 GMT

I apologize.  Yesterday I posted my opinions on the MSR vs the PUR water
filter.  I am obviously suffering from a fatal system error.  I don't
HAVE an MSR, I have a First Need.  Sorry sorry sorry.  My brain is still
on the stove debate.  Just substitute First Need in the appropriate
places.  I still enjoy my PUR, large though it is.
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:26:31 GMT
Subject: Re: methanol
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

In rec.backcountry, pad@galaxy.nsc.com (Paul Denny x8349) writes:

> I have a trangia methanol (methylated spirit) camping stove which
> I used happily in Europe. Now I have moved to the US I am having
> trouble finding fuel. 
> 
> If anyone knows where this stuff can be found I would be grateful 
> if you would email me.
> 
> many thanks - Paul

If you mean "methanol", i.e. methyl alchohol, CH OH ,
                                                3

you might try a building supply house that carries finishing products. Stuff
like that can be bought in gallon containers.

Bob (just don't pick up the "xylene" by mistake...) Miller
From: lwvanels@athena.mit.edu (Lucien W. Van Elsen)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Hiking the AT N->S
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:40:56 GMT
Reply-To: lwvanels@MIT.EDU
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I'm interested in hiking the Appalachian trail in the next couple of years,
and I'm finally getting to the point where I'd like to make up some tenative
schedules.  I'd like to do it from N->S, but it seems most people do it in
the other direction- I'm wondering what sort of problems or pleasant
surprises I'd run into by going against the flow.  If you've had any
experience with this, I'd appreciate hearing from you-

	-Lucien

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From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Pasta cooker 4 backcountry
Date: 31 Aug 1992 22:27:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: singletrack.ebay.sun.com

Folks,

I'm planning a trip in Yos. for 2 nites and wish to eat REAL food on the
first nite.  We are only going up to little Yos valley, niting there and
then half dome via the cables and maybe merced lake.  Back to the subject
there are going to be four of us and I'm a big eater, what can I use to 
cook 1lb of spaghetti??  should I use macaroni instead?  I will pre-make
the meatsauce and pack it in in a PB jar. It is a fairly short hike and
all total I will be carrying less than 30 lbs.

Can a Peak1 cook a lb. of pasta??
Is it feasible to use just one large pot for all the cooking??

my menu reads like this;
1st nite
pasta
salad (optional)
bread (baguette)

2nd day
bfast
instant oatmeal
jello juice
coffee?!!

snack/lunch
gorp
raisins
water

dinner
minute rice
macaroni&cheese(fat as fuel)
canned meat (corned beef/ ham)

3rd morning
oatmeal
jello juice
coffee?!!!

much water will be consumed all through the day to prevent dehydration.

ideas/pointer would be appreciated

thx
Dan