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From: ratan@ring8.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SA, Pakistan and West Indies
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:49:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <168C311014.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za>,
074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes: 

: As for India, they need to muscle up in all departments: fielding, bowling
: and especially batting. Also, if they stop having so much of a good time,
: that too may help. Some of the team players were spotted having a good
: time in the pubs and discos till 4 a.m. in the morning. This I have heard
: from many a public source. 
: Currently, I would say they are only better than Zimbabwe. Even Sri
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I would say that with Zimbabwe their chances are not as good as those
of Zimbabwe's with India. Trust me. I am trustworthy.
Remember the last test match and the WC. 
 
In the world cup, if it was not for the rain...............
-- 

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                       Santosh Ratan  
                   ratan@jove.rutgers.edu
      Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
         Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey
                      Piscataway, NJ       
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From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: That's why Gower is out.....
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:18:05 GMT

Gower  :  Handicapped One-day Player?
Tests vs Limited Over Games  :  England's Double Standard? 
 
	According to Ted Dexter, one-day matches have become just as
important as Tests on this winter's tour of India.  His words merely
support speculation that David Gower, Jack Russell and Ian Salisbury
were all left out of  the 16-man squad because of the  unusual itine-
rary.  Tours of  India have  traditionally included  five Tests, but
this time the  schedule is just three Tests and  six one-day interna-
tionals.  Two more limited overs internationals follow in  Sri Lanka
in  March, plus a  single Test, and  Dexter said: "We  have 12 major
games  during the tour and they are all of an  equally high priority.
"Any suggestions that the one-dayers don't matter is quite wrong and
it is certainly at variance with the way the players view it.  "Test
matches  and one-day  internationals  are two  completely  different
types of game, but the players have great pride in their performances
and records." Gower  has always been open  in his dislike of one-day
cricket and he is also handicapped in the field by a shoulder problem
which prevents him from throwing.  Russell, by common consent one of
the world's  leading wicketkeepers, has been  sidelined in favour of
wicketkeeper-batsman Alec Stewart and Richard  Blakey, who will give
England greater batting depth.  Leg-spinner Salisbury has missed out
because  of the  recall of  40-year-old off-spinner  John Emburey, a
miserly  one-day bowler with  experience of 58 limited over  interna-
tionals. Yet even Emburey has admitted that Salisbury, 23 next month,
is "ready for  international  cricket - he and  Phil Tufnell are two
natural talents".  The Sussex  youngster will, however, be  in India
for the first month of  the tour as a net  bowler before  linking up 
with  the England A trip to Australia.  Test cricket in India, Pakis-
tan, New Zealand and  West Indies is  struggling to attract the sort
of crowds that  one-day internationals enjoy.  Dexter  believes that
England is becoming increasingly isolated in preferring Tests to one-
day  cricket.  He said: "The public  here  still  enjoy a full  Test
series." Australia  play six  Tests and only  three one-day  interna-
tionals when they visit next summer, and Dexter added: "I hope other
countries  will soon be able  to follow  our lead."  As the  England
squad wound up their pre-tour training programme at Lilleshall, TCCB
officials were  confirming that  the trip would go  ahead as planned.
TCCB chief  executive  Alan Smith said that  there were no  plans to
change the itinery and added: "This was the message that we had been
waiting for."

Vicky:
UMass, Dec 21

+++
Summarized from newsclips.
From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Walsh's figures (was Re: WI/Pak ODI
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:18:38 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <BzqDH8.8A1@uceng.uc.edu> bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.134436.22@iwsd01.itwol.bhp.com.au> WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA) writes:
>>In <9212171510.AA16119@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> B536HIND@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU writes:
>
>
>>> BTW, which was the old record for the most economical bowling in ODI's?  Was
>>> it Bedi's 12 overs for something like 5 or 7 against East Africa in 1979?  Or
>>> did somebody else have better figures?
>>> 
>>	It was Bishen Bedi. 12 overs, 2 for 6.
>
>    
>    Does someone recall Walsh's bowling figures against SL at Sharjah some 
>5-6 yrs ago ? It was quite unbelievable, but was it the record ?

	Walsh had 5 wickets for 1 run ( !!!!! ), SL were all out for 60 odd
if memory serves. However, I don't believe this qualifies as a record
because he didn't bowl his full quota of overs - I think he must have
bowled 5 or 6 overs at best. 


			Sadiq [ who saw that game on TV ] Yusuf

>
>Cheers,
>Bhaskar
>
From: babu@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu ( )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: 3rd test SA/IND score board, end of 3rd days play
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:10:05 GMT
Organization: Villanova University


         SA vs India, 3rd Test, St Georges Park, East London, 92-12-26
              South Africa                               India
Hudson     b Raju              52 (  0) Shastri    c Richard b McMill   5 ( 68)
Wessels    b Prabhakar          0 (  5) Raman      b Donald             0 (  7)
Cronje     b Kumble           135 (411) Manjrekar  lbw Donald           6 ( 15)
Kirsten    c More b Raju        0 (  3) Tendulkar  c Richard b Schult   0 (  1)
McMillan   lbw Raju            25 ( 94) Azhar      c Wessels b Donald   7 (  9)
Rhodes     c Prabhak b Kumble   2 ( 19) Amre       c Richard b Schult   7 (  6)
Richardso  run out Srinath      1 ( 24) Kapil    - not out             33 ( 70)
Henry      lbw Kapil           16 ( 31) Prabhakar* not out             10 ( 47)
Matthews   c Azhar b Kapil     17 ( 58) More                                   
Donald     b Kumble             6 (  8) Kumble                                 
Schultz    not out              0 (  6) Raju                                   
Extras  (W: 0 N: 6 B: 2 LB:13) 21       Extras  (W: 0 N: 1 B: 0 LB: 2)  3
Total  (R:1.97  O:139.3)       275 / 10 Total  (R:1.97  O:36.0)        71 / 6 
                   Ov   M  R  Wi Wd Nb                     Ov   M  R  Wi Wd Nb 
McMillan           7.0  2  14  1  0  0  Shastri            2.0  1   4  0  0  0
Henry           *  2.0  1   2  0  0  0  Tendulkar          1.0  1   0  0  0  0
Matthews           4.0  1  17  0  0  0  Kapil             24.0  6  45  2  0  0
Donald          - 14.0  4  28  3  0  0  Prabhakar         16.0  3  57  1  0  7
Schultz            9.0  5   8  2  0  1  Kumble            50.3 16  81  3  0  1
                                        Raju              46.0 15  73  3  0  0
                       India 8 ahead at the end of day 3
From: jsdf+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jayashankar Swaminathan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: SA/India Test: End of India 2nd Innings.
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:52:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfE7FAm00WB88EKGIl
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Great Show  Kapil !!!
I think that shuts the mouth of all those who talked about his becoming
a manager in 1993.

--Jayashankar

  Name       : Jayashankar.M.Swaminathan
  Phone(Res) : (412)-362-9112     
  Email      : msj@cs.cmu.edu
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From: aamir@cs.sfu.ca (Aamir Husain)
Subject: Aus vs WI MCG Test
Keywords: D3 after tea
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:30:57 GMT

WI were 224/8 at tea

now are 230/8
with adams on 47 and ambrose with him
still about 165 behind(i think )

Aamir
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Subject: 6 changes in NZ team vs. Pak
From: howard@grace.cri.nz (Howard Silby)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:42:57 GMT
Organization: Gracefield Research Centre

The original NZ XII named to play Pakistan in the first One-day Int. on Dec 26

Greatbatch    Patel
Latham        Parore
Jones         Cairns
Crowe         Sua
Rutherford    Watson
Harris        Morrison

Greatbatch, Latham, Patel, Cairns, Watson and Morrison 
(all members of the NZ World Cup Squad) return after
being unavailable against Sri-Lanka

Since then Cairns has pulled out to be replaced by Michael Owens
who was the only minor success among the numerous new players
tried in Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.

So in summary New Zealand is nearly back to full strength
(on paper at least) after fielding some rather weak-looking
(and playing) teams in the last few months.

I would like to take this opportunity to belatedly congratulate 
the Sri Lankan team on their resounding success recently and I hope
they can host (or tour) other countries to demonstrate their
under-recognised talents such as Roshan Mahanama. I believe under
most conditions (not just home conditions) Sri Lanka could 
perform credibly (ie. win at least 3 or 4 games out of every 10) 
against any country in the world except perhaps England.
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Dev vs. Azhar (captaincy)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:02:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <BzMyMF.F0o@cs.psu.edu> tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:
>Don't agree. Kapil Dev is certainly a much more dynamic captain, willing to
>try out some very novel ideas (some of which backfire badly).


	Perhaps you should say --) 

	"Most of which backfire badly". IMHO Shastri is the right choice for
	the captain. The guy is so selfish and has such a fantastic ego
	that he will not allow an Indian defeat. That would be the most
	productive way of making use of him.

	Shivanand Bhajekar
>
>Mahesh.
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Some thoughts...
Date: 31 Dec 1992 14:10:49 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <CSa=gp-@engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>
>So here's another dismal performance by India's frontline batsmen. As someone
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Absolutely no doubt that the batsmen "performed" pathetically in this test. All
except Azhar in the first innings and Kapil in the second. The reason I am
remidning folks about Azhar's batting is that everyone seems to forget that he
*has* been batting better than the likes of Manjrekar, Raman and Shastri. Azhar
has been taking a while to get into his stride, but once he does get into form,
there's no doubt about his credentials. Ask the Aussies. 

Sachin got a century in the first test, didn't he? A couple of his dismissals
have been pretty bad breaks for him. This is not an attempt to find excuses,
I'm just quoting facts(?). Kapil cannot be expected to make a century everytime
he comes in to bat, he is just not the type. That leaves Amre, Prabhakar, More
and the tailenders. Srinath, Kumble and Raju have reasonably accredited
themselves whenever they have been to the crease. I would not expect too much
more, though perhaps a little more, like a half-century from each one. :--)

Amre is due for a good score soon, you cannot keep a good man down for too
long. It is time Prabhakar did a couple of Kiran More's, like a solid score or
two. It is not enough to just demand a chance to open the innings. Give that
demand some strength by making good scores wherever you are currently batting.
Right? 

Rajesh Yadav would be a good bet purely as a batsman, IMHO. More has not been
doing too bad(except for that dropped catch off Rhodes which helped RSA save
the game) with the gloves, and has been better than most with the bat. So, let
us not go overboard in demanding his axing. Yadav has been written up as a
thrilling bat, and he did score some good runs in the seventh ODI. And in the
couple of games he played, he had quite a few victims behind the wicket. 

The Indians were convinced that the Johannesburg test was in the bag until
Bucknor declared Rhodes not out when the latter was clearly run out off
Srinath's shy at the stumps(the score would have been like 60 for four). Rhodes
went on to make 91. SRT and Kumble were hailed as the shining heroes of that
test. The Indians were convinced that they were a better side, and the defeat
in the third test must have come as a shock to them. According to the reports I
have read, RSA was the underdog in most people's eyes, and this result is a
surprise to them.

>Any comments?

>Sudhama

-Murali
>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:18:26 CST
From: <U17868@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan are missing Imran in ODI's
 <1992Dec20.181116.12360@walter.bellcore.com>

I don't want to argue with you, but this is just for my knowledge.
Do you know what is the average of Salim Malik in one day matches when batting
at No.3 position?
Sikander Waheed
u17868@uicvm.uic.edu
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Subject: Pakistan 136 in 2nd ODI agnst NZ
From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 02:58:10 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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 2nd one day international between Pakistan and New Zealand at Napier.
Match reduced to 42 overs because of rain NZ win the  tase and invited Pak
to bat.  Pakistan score 136/? in their alloted 42 overs.
New Zealand in their inng so far 21/1 in 8th over.

Altaf Qadir
Massey University
From: sjasthi@cse.unl.edu (srinivas jasthi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA wins III test by 9 wickets.
Date: 29 Dec 1992 19:13:18 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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Hi,

          India has lost the third cricket test. The final scores are

    India I-innings : 212                   SA I-innings : 275
    India II-innings : 215 (Kapil 129)      SA II-innings : 155/1(Wessels 95*)

         So SA wins its first cricket test against India. Full credit to a 
determined and spirited performance from  SA cricketers. Captain Kepler 
Wessels is the man who made this possible with excellent captaincy and unbeaten
95*. The test reflects the lack of motivation and professionalism among Indian
cricketers (except Kapil). 

           Kapil with 2/45 of 24 overs in first innings and 129 runs in 
II-innings showed that he is still can deliver the goods.

It is high time the Indian selectors open their eyes and field a better team.


Srinivas Jasthi
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From: faraz.rabbani@canrem.com (faraz rabbani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: re: tendulkar should play
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
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 murali@iris.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah) stated:
 MC> I don't think that the debate should be whether SRT should play his
 MC> natural game or not. I think what should be debated is the time to do
 MC> those things. A great batsman is judged by his choice of shots for the
 MC> occasion. When a good ball is bowled defend - if it is a "loose ball"
 MC> - murder it /caress it /stroke it (what ever turns one on !). Even
 MC> Vivian Richards would defend if the odds were really against him - SRt
 MC> should show a better shot selection. He should adapt his play to the
 MC> situation rather than play the same way evry time.

I don't think that Viv Richards is a good example: the guy defended
by attacking.  And this _usually_ worked, given his immense talent.
But there were several times when, as captain of WI, he got out to
the "airy" big shot.... That was the way he played...

Face it...  every stroke has some inherent risks in it.  And the
batsman _is_ facing a guy on the other end trying to dismiss him.
Too often, we ignore the fact that the batter is not working in a
vacuum; we should remember that there is a thing called good
bowling. 

The argument of "murdering" a bad ball is fallacious: if you "kill"
the bad ball, you are likely to GET killed.  And the great batsmen
are those who can make the GOOD ball look bad, which is often their
undoing...

Faraz Rabbani
Toronto, Canada

faraz.rabbani@canrem.com

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From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Statistical trivia
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:38:09 GMT
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			Statistical trivia


  As you know, two England players of Indian origin (Ranjitsinhji and Pataudi
senior) scored a century on test debut. On both occasions they were playing
against Australia.
  There are two other players of Indian origin who scored a century in their
first test against Australia, but not on their test debut. These were
Duleepsinhji and Subba Row. I vaguely remember that Duleepsinhji scored 60
or so on his debut which was against New Zealand.
 Thus, the common thread is that all players of Indian origin who played 
for England scored centuries in their first tests against Australia. Let
us see if the tradition is carried on by Nasser Hussain and Mark Ramprakash.
But neither seem likely to play in tests again. Probably Ramprakash holds
some kind of record for remaining in the team as a specialist batsman
without going above 30 even once :-) Even Hick is better off-he at least 
crossed 50 once.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: nas_ps@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov (Pradip R. Shah)
Subject: India wins 7th ODI
Reply-To: nas_ps@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: G.E. Government Services
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:53:01 GMT

SOURCE:  India News Network

South Africa 203 for 8 wkts
India 204 for 5 wkts

Amre 84 not out 
Yadav 32 not out


Pradip Shah
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen)
Subject: Re: Indian team for the last test
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:21:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pretoria, South Africa

reddy@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Sudhir Reddy Kallu) writes:

>Here is my team for the Last test against S.A.
[stuff deleted]

>CHETAN SHARMA

[stuff deleted]

>temperment in the 1 Test). I choosed chetan because if we want to win outside 
>our country, he is the right guy.(Remember the leeds test, which is the last 
>test we won abroad)I choosed 6 bowlers in this team as nowdays these are the 

Maybe not on SA pitches. This guy has been hit all over the grounds on
this tour.  He is way too slow and is not swinging or seaming to much
effect as far as I can see. 

Pieter
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From: axeman@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Samir Chopra)
Subject: Re: Knighthood for SMG????
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:41:01 GMT
Keywords: I want my present........

In article <1992Dec23.140936.16173@rdg.dec.com> vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela) writes:
>
>In article <BzpsoI.B5H@cs.uiuc.edu>, bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:
>||>
>|>Indians can not accept knighthood.  Dates back to a minor grudge we have called the "Battle for Independence":-)  Actually, Rabindranath Tagore (Nobel Prize for Literature) began this tradition by turning down a knighthood.  It was a brave act at that time, (1920s or thereabouts) and gave quite a fillip to the burgeoning movement for self determination...
>|>
>But were any Indian cricketers with major achivments like this offered
>any knighthoods???

The question is not really relevant. Knighthoods can only be offered to
citizens of those countries that still recognize good ol' Liz as their
Sovereign. India is a Republic that within the framework of its constitution
recognizes no such ruler. Don't forget that the full form of the Knighthood
is Knight of the British Empire (or some other equally ridiculous stuff).
In the case of Tagore, he didn't reject Knighthood, he returned the title
in protest against the Jallianwala Bagh massacre and the subsequent
imposition of martial law in the Punjab. Obviously, when he was awarded
the Knighthood, India was still a part of the British Empire.

Who needs taps on the shoulder with a blunt sword from an old lady
to prove that you were a great cricketer anyway? Wake up, guys! Its
the 90's! 

later,

Samir
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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: Knighthood for SMG????
Keywords: I want my present........
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:41:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.104232.7557@rdg.dec.com> vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela) writes:
>
>Richard Headlee was given the knighthood for taking 400 wickets in test
>cricket.
>
>Could some one tell me whether Sunil Gavaskar was given knighthood for 
>becoming first man to score 10,000 runs in test cricket.

[other stuff about knighthoods deleted]

Knighthoods are essentially awarded by the governments of the countries 
concerned.  I.e., they nominate the people they would like to see knighed,
and the Queen obliges.  Thus there is no rule about who gets knighted and
who doesn't, just whether the government in question feels someone is
suitably qualified/distinguished, or whatever.  Hadlee was knighted for
services to cricket, not for taking 400 wickets (although I'm sure that had
something to do with it!).

Cheers, Paul




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From: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Subject: Re: India lost to SAfrica in 5th ODI...
Reply-To: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:29:54 GMT


I|>From: WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA)
|>Date: 23 Dec 92 08:29:12 +1000
|>References: <9212151459.AA00666@mik.uky.edu> <1992Dec15.151101.15190@rdg.dec.com> 
|>
|>> though Kapil will be consulted in most of the decisions. He is the most senior
|>> ODI player in the world with nearly 160 ODIs (i think) and also he has got the
|>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>	No he's not. AB (Allan Border) has played something like 250 ODIs,
|>	whilst for the West Indies, Richards has played 187, and Marshall,
|>	Dujon, Logie, Haynes have all played more than 160. Javed recently
|>	played his 200th match at the Adelaide oval.
|>
|>	As regards wickets, I'm not sure. 
|>
Kapil with nearly 160 ODIs:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That was a printing mistake. Kapil has played in over 200 ODIs I do not
know the exact number, maybe somebody can provide a correct figure.

But I do know for sure that he is the highest wicket taker in ODIs
with 300+ wickets. Maybe once again some one can provide a correct figure.

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