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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: Results of the Favorite Episodes Survey
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:45:30 GMT


In article <1ac5mfINNhuq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Peter Mullaney) writes:
> If "The Deadly Assasin" is the number one favorite, how come it's not the
> fourth doctors favorite?
This is a 'classic' voting paradox.
Simple version:
Two catagories a, b two subcategories for each a1,a2 and b1,b2 
Preferences: 
100 people like:  a1,b1,b2,a2
75 people like:   b1,b2,a2,a1
50 people like:   b2,b1,a2,a1

Favorite story votes: a1:100, b1:75, b2:50, a2:0
Among group 'a' favorite story votes a2:125, a1:100

john rickert        rickert@nextwork.rose-hluman.edu
..I'm very dangerous when I don't know what I'm doing.
      -The Doctor, in "Destiny of the Daleks"
From: 1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Keeper Of The Matrix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: I doubt that . . .
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:39:57 GMT


 Regarding Message : UK news: NEW DR. WHO EPISODES!!!
 Written By        : harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu

     . . . The BBC can't afford to do that, if the BBC would put some backing
behind it, then Doctor Who could survive by making new episodes . . .

-Keeper Of The Matrix-

. . . Being a Timelord is soooo much fun! . . . 

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: INSULTS OF THE DOCTORS..
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:16:39 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <3khz-hn@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>
>Most memorable scenes were with the Brigadier. My memory (on episode name or
>other distinguishing features...) fails me at the moment, but one involved the
>notion that "there's nothing more firmly clapped shut than the military mind" or
>something like that. Anyone remember the exact reference?
>
Interestingly enough, the line you are remembering here wasn't by Jon at all,
but rather Sylvester McCoy in "battlefield."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>)
Subject: Re: MONTHLY EPISODE GUIDE POSTING
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:07:29 GMT

In <retief.718041997@mchem3.al.iastate.edu> retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller) writes:
>AUTHOR: havok@buengf.bu.edu
>Doctor Who List   2.3
>Enclosed is an Updated (And Pretty Well Tweaked!) listing of all
>   the Doctor Who Stories
>If you find any errors or have any additions or deletions PLEASE send
>  me mail
My mailer is acting up at the moment...so I decided to post this
instead.

>R1   Romana (1)               Assigned by Black Guard. Regenerates
					   ^^^^^---?????
I always thought that she was assigned by the White Guardian, who had
disguised himself as the President of Gallifrey at the time.
Can anyone confirm/deny this? (The book's at home somewhere and it's
been a long time since I saw "The Key To Time" Series.

>-- 
>Jim Miller <retief@iastate.edu>  IowaStateUniversity.  ComS Jr.
>#include <multipagefunnyquote.h>
Rez.
-- 
Anestis Kozakis
rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au               ent670w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
"Off days" are a part of life, I guess, whether you're a cartoonist, a
neurosurgeon, or an air-traffic controller. -- Gary Larson.
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: The Daemons in colour?  Mine are b/w...
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:44:29 GMT

Just caught the first half of "The Daemons" last night...wonderful!  This is
the one of the first times I've seen Roger Delgado as the Master-he doesn't
seem to have a lot to do in this one, except utter a bunch of
mumbo-jumbo...really quite a pity; I've heard he's much better than Anthony
Ainley.

But the main thing I wanted to ask was, wasn't this episode recently
"recolourised" or something?  I'd heard they'd done something, or perhaps found
the colour masters again...dunno.  The version I saw was (not unfortuantely!)
in black and white.  I'm not complaining because this is the sort of story
which, I think, lends itself to being in b/w...8^)

Anyway, just my question o'the day...;)

Spock out...
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Last of the Bannermen?  Stunk.
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:25:45 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


Okay, my local public television took a few weeks off from
Dr. Who, and came back by broadcasting the episode "Last
of the Bannerman".

This episode was just terrible, IMHO.

Does the series get better again? or should I just
stop watching now?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
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From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: Theft from Gallifrey
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:10:17 GMT

In article <01GPH5TL25AQ8WW1IR@kinni.acc.uwrf.edu> steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU writes:

   the regenerator was hardware, it came from Gallifrey originally as a 
   physical real device, and it was stolen from Gallifrey.  the ONLY way
   this could have been achieved is either by someone on Gallifrey or by
   one hell of a crafty Time Lord with a "cloaked" TARDIS, a device we
   have never seen.

Maybe the equipment was sent elsewhere for repair?  Afterall we know some elements
from the TARDIS can only be found in various parts of the universe.  There is also
other evidence that Gallifrey interact with the rest of the universe in some sort 
of commercial means.  (i.e. Such as LOGOPOLIS...)  So, maybe it is either easier or
only possable to have this equipment made and/or repaired on some world other
than Gallifrey.  Also, the Master seems quite talented for sneaking on and off 
Gallifrey.  The Doctor could probably also figure out a way if he ever had both
the time and the need.

                                    Bill
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re:Time Lords and Gallifreyans
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:44:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () says:

>Over the long weekend here in Oz I had a chance to think about this all 
>important question: What is the distinction between Time Lords and
>Gallifreyans, and indeed is there one.
>
---Much deleted---

>Mark C.
>
Bravo Mark - I tend to agree with your theory.

If you read the book "Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon" (taken from 
Colony in Space)  it starts with two Time Lords, an old one - who has 
traveled once in time (to return people from War Games), and a younger
one who has NEVER traveled in time.  The older one also says: "For us
as a species....."  I haven't seen Colonie in Space in a while so I'm
not sure if this happened in the televised version.

P.S. To  QUIZMASTER (Frank D) myself and a coworker sent answers to you
twice each and never got back "failed mail notices" but from your answer
post it appears that you did not get any of these.


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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: New Adventures as canon?
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:16:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

I just remembered a comment someone made on this newsgroup a few
months ago. It was something like "The whole show is just one big
continuity error!" Personally, I like to think of the New Adven-
tures as an official part of the series -- it's the only thing
we've got for now. (Except the comics in _DWM_, and those have a
tendency to be worse on continuity than the Target novelizations!)

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Many Questions About Dr. Who
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:55:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) says:

>with you.  (Remember they don't allow aliens on Gallifrey...))  
Didn't anyone ever see "The War Games"?   A number of aliens were brought to
Gallifrey!
>this is not the typical method of reproduction, I strongly suspect Susan was an
>off-worlder.

Suspect what you will, but remember the only statement in the SHOW is that
Susan is the Doctors GRANDDAUGHTER.

>
>                                       Bill
>
>

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:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Concerning violent doctors
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:45:48 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:

All during "be kind to Dave" month, I haven't followed up on any of Dave's
dumb posts, but then he....

>Warning Tom W.  your letters are about to be echoed.

Now what are you talking about? What letters? I haven't sent you any letters.
The whole net knows that your mailing system is about as reliable as the
TARDIS in its early days.

>Is r.a.dw also known as rec.flame.doctor.six.violence group?

or perhaps rec.arts.flame.dave.for.just.about.any.post.he.makes
or rMc.arts.flamM.davM.for.not.Mditing.his.post.bMforM.hM.sMnds.it

Now that group would have to be moderated due to its enormous volume.

Tom

"Of course, DSY will buy the books, the matching pot holders, the limited
edition collector's imitation china plates, and the commerative toenail
clippers...." -- an anonymous r.a.dw reader (who is NOT the Cyberleader)
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Survival Quote
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:47:08 GMT

In article <vqrz4hf@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.194900.23776@athena.mit.edu>, srb@athena.mit.edu (Steve Balzac) writes:
>|> I'm trying to find the complete text of the quote from the end of Survival.
>|> All I have is the last bit, "somewhere else, the tea is getting cold."  If
>|> someone could send it to me, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks,
>|> 
>|> -Steve
>
>Augh! And I just deleted it last week after I mailed it to that guy who was
>collecting quotes for a compilation...
>
>ok, here we go again, from memory...
>
>
>
>				OUT THERE
>
>Out there, there are worlds
>Where the sky is burning,
>Where seas sleep,
>And rivers dream.
>People made of smoke,
>And cities made of song.
>Somewhere there's danger,
>Somewhere there's injustice,
>Somewhere else the tea is getting cold.
>
>/* optional.. I always toss it...*/
>
>Come on, Ace, we've got work to do.
>
Nope.  Almost, but not quite.  This isn't it.

>
>
>Great writing. Poetry at its best. Credit should go to Rona Munro, writer for 
>the story, and Andrew Cartmel, script editor. I have no idea which of them 
>actually wrote it.
>
>(It WAS Cartmel, wasn't it???)
>
>-- 
>/////////////////////////[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>(718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
>=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
>--------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
>	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: New Adventures as canon?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:38:24 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct5.200644.3533@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen) writes:
>In article <15888@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>
>	Actually, I think that we can take the New Adventures as canon.
>For several reasons:
>    a)  on the first Timewyrm novels it does say that it is the OFFICIAL new
>	adventures of the Doctor and Ace.  Some of you may say that it's
>	only words, well, so are your arguments, and at least this argument
>	has published backing.
>    b)  All of the new novels are not published by Target nor any
>	derivative company thereof.  They are published by Virgin.
>    c)  Unlike all of the Target novels which are Copyright in the name of
>	the author with mention to the Copyright by the BBC of the original
>	screenplay, the New Adventures are only copyrighted by the BBC,
>	giving them the same sort of status as a BBC screenplay should
>	receive.
>    d)  The New Adventures are not strictly "fan written."  What with a
>	novel by the writer of Ghostlight, as well as one by Terrance
>	Dicks, the authors of the New Adventures know what they are writing
>	about.
>
>	Someone did point out that there are some mistakes in Genesys, this
>is true, but if they read Exodus, they would know that the mistakes were
>clarified by Terrance Dicks.  It was a cop out, but he was maintaining the
>continuity.
>
I read both, but I cannot recall how Terrance Dicks corrected John Peel's
mistakes in Genesys.  Please elaborate.

As for taking the New Adventures as canon, I'll back off a little and
take more of a neutral ground, except in cases where a New Adventure
tries to rewrite or contradict earlier continuity from the TV series, such as
"Gallifreyans are sterile"  (aplogies if I've got this wrong, I can't
find the Cat's Cradle series anywhere I look so I then can't very well
read them either.) when we know from Susan and other statements in
stories like "Tomb of the Cybermen" and "Curse of Fenric" that he has
a family, making Susan's case for real granddaughter more credible.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: UK news: NEW DR. WHO EPISODES!!!
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 18:41:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

harderaf@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>There will not be any new Dr. Who episodes.

Cute. Are you pulling our collective leg, or do you just
enjoy stringing people along a little before you give them
bad news?

Folks, I'd take this in the same spirit as all the rumors
we've been hearing about the show's resurrection (regene-
ration?) for the past three years: don't believe it until
it's confirmed.

This is not meant as a flame against the original poster
(although I suppose the first paragraph was), but rather a
comment on the general quality of information on this 
group.

Please do not counterflame through the newsgroup.

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu), The Man With No .sig
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Results of the Favorite Episodes Survey
Date: 30 Sep 1992 12:14:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) says:

>Here are the results, as promised:
>
>Top 5 all time favorite:
>
>The Deadly Assasin
>Warriors' Gate
>The Caves of Androzani
>The Curse of Fenric
>Survival
>
If "The Deadly Assasin" is the number one favorite, how come it's not the
fourth doctors favorite?

>
>Top Episode of each individual doctor:
>
>First:		The Daleks
>Second:		The War Games
>Third:		Spearhead From Space
>Fourth:		Warriors' Gate
>Fifth:		The Caves of Androzani
>Sixth: (3x tied)The Two Doctors
>		The Mark of the Rani
>		The Ultimate Foe
>Seventh:	Survival
>
>That's all Folks...
>
>
>	Mystic
>(alex.soto@analog.com)
>
>

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood)
Subject: Re: Further suggestive lines,  Gallifreyans vs Time Lords
Reply-To: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:03:32 GMT

There IS an underclass on Gallifrey! If I remember correctly, this theme was explored in 'The Invasion of Time'. I believe that Leela actually left the city of the Time Lords and met some of these people; they may even have played an active role in the foiling of the Sontaran invasion. Anyone out there with a novelisation of 'The Invasion of Time' wish to expand on this?

Phil Isherwood
pisherwo@estwmb.wm.estec.esa.nl


Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: New Adventures as canon?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:38:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.213824.21934@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>As for taking the New Adventures as canon, I'll back off a little and
>take more of a neutral ground, except in cases where a New Adventure
>tries to rewrite or contradict earlier continuity from the TV series, such as
>"Gallifreyans are sterile"  (aplogies if I've got this wrong, I can't
>find the Cat's Cradle series anywhere I look so I then can't very well
>read them either.) when we know from Susan and other statements in
>stories like "Tomb of the Cybermen" and "Curse of Fenric" that he has
>a family, making Susan's case for real granddaughter more credible.

There was a reference, in the same book that said Gallifreyans are sterile,
that Ace found a yellowing card from Susan to her grandfather....

It's always possible she (and her parents) were born off-planet....
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Results of the Favorite Episodes Survey
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:32:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: craft.torresce.717780739
Organization: Clarkson University

Here are the results, as promised:

Top 5 all time favorite:

The Deadly Assasin
Warriors' Gate
The Caves of Androzani
The Curse of Fenric
Survival


Top Episode of each individual doctor:

First:		The Daleks
Second:		The War Games
Third:		Spearhead From Space
Fourth:		Warriors' Gate
Fifth:		The Caves of Androzani
Sixth: (3x tied)The Two Doctors
		The Mark of the Rani
		The Ultimate Foe
Seventh:	Survival

That's all Folks...


	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: srb@athena.mit.edu (Steve Balzac)
Subject: Survival Quote
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:49:00 GMT

I'm trying to find the complete text of the quote from the end of Survival.
All I have is the last bit, "somewhere else, the tea is getting cold."  If
someone could send it to me, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks,

-Steve
From: rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Rob Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr. Who Audios
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:30:32 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <15760@umd5.umd.edu>, otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein)
writes:
> 
> I was wondering how much those Dr. Who audio soundtracks, The Macra
> Terror and Evil of the Daleks were selling for in England.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Neil Ottenstein
> otten@quark.umd.edu
> 
> 
I was over in the UK for a month this summer and picked up both of them for
7.50 (pounds) each or about $14.00 a piece.  While the sound quality isn't
all that wonderful they're really fun to listen to.

Rob  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Survival Quote
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:42:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.194900.23776@athena.mit.edu>, srb@athena.mit.edu (Steve Balzac) writes:
|> I'm trying to find the complete text of the quote from the end of Survival.
|> All I have is the last bit, "somewhere else, the tea is getting cold."  If
|> someone could send it to me, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks,
|> 
|> -Steve

Augh! And I just deleted it last week after I mailed it to that guy who was
collecting quotes for a compilation...

ok, here we go again, from memory...



				OUT THERE

Out there, there are worlds
Where the sky is burning,
Where seas sleep,
And rivers dream.
People made of smoke,
And cities made of song.
Somewhere there's danger,
Somewhere there's injustice,
Somewhere else the tea is getting cold.

/* optional.. I always toss it...*/

Come on, Ace, we've got work to do.




Great writing. Poetry at its best. Credit should go to Rona Munro, writer for 
the story, and Andrew Cartmel, script editor. I have no idea which of them 
actually wrote it.

(It WAS Cartmel, wasn't it???)

-- 
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(718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
--------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Further suggestive lines, Gallifreyans...
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:24:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.142730.4386@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mflt_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mongoose) writes:
> In <BvDvtx.22H@wm.estec.esa.nl> pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood) writes:
> 
>>There IS an underclass on Gallifrey! If I remember correctly, this theme
> was explored in 'The Invasion of Time'. I believe that Leela actually left
> the city of the Time Lords and met some of these people; they may even have
> played an active role in the foiling of the Sontaran invasion. Anyone out
> there with a novelisation of 'The Invasion of Time' wish to expand on this?
> 
> 
> 
> You are half-right.  Those people who lived outside Gallifrey were there
> because they relenquished their rights as Gallifreyans and emigrated outside
> the city.  This is a permanant status, and many of them held some status
> when they were in the city.  They weren't exactly a lower class, rather,
> 'no-class' because they held absolutely no rights becasue they chose to
> waive theirs.  Keep in mind that the ultimate punishment to a time lord was
> to banish them from the city.


Hmmm...he's half-right, and so are you.  The Shobogans weren't *JUST*
Gallifreyans-they were *EX-TIMELORDS* (this from Jean-Marc Lofficier's
Programme Guide) who had left the City...
That's all the dirt I can dig up on them.  Guess I'll have to go back and watch
the show again and see what else I can find out...8^)  Torture!!! 8^)

Spock out...

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Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.