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From: pauls@umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:48:51 GMT

PROPOSAL:

Here's a proposal for an UNMODERATED group in comp.os.* dedicated
to the 386bsd operating system developed by Bill and Lynne Jolitz.

The current situation with 386bsd meshed into comp.unix.bsd is
overloaded and confusing.  There is a great deal of traffic dedicated
to 386bsd, mixed in with unrelated discussion of other BSD systems,
including other commercial BSD systems aimed at the i386 platform, which
is especially confusing to new users who are unable to distinguish
easily between BSD/386 and 386bsd.  This needs to end.

EXPLICITLY: 

This RFD proposes a SINGLE UNMODERATED newsgroup, named
comp.os.386bsd to service the entire 386bsd community.

My informal polls have shown that the vast majority of 386bsd users
favor the creation of (initially) only ONE new group for 386bsd traffic.

Follow up to news.groups
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Information Technology Division    |                     100% 386BSD 0.1
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor  |  Coming soon: mirror of ftp.eff.org
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,ny.forsale,nj.forsale,pa.forsale,dc.forsale,misc.misc,ba.market.computers
From: kko@sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
Subject: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:48:47 GMT

This is an official Request For Discussion concerning the 
creation of the newsgroups comp.archives.msdos.announce and
comp.archives.msdos.d.

Proposed newsgroup:  comp.archives.msdos.announce

Type: moderated

Charter: 
   This moderated newsgroup is for the upload announcements and
related information from MSDOS FTP sites with PD and shareware material.
The subjects include the upload announcements via the MSDOS FTP site 
moderators, the MSDOS sites' periodical summaries, potential policy 
statements and downtime warnings, and the MSDOS FTP site moderators' 
reports about the connectivity problems with their archive sites.
Unix announcements conform only if they directly relate to transferring 
or handling the MSDOS material from the MSDOS FTP sites.

Joint moderators: Keith Petersen (main moderator), Timo Salmi, 
                  Harri Valkama, and Brian O'Neill 
Other FTP site moderators are welcome to help in the joint moderation
of this proposed newsgroups.

----
Proposed group:  comp.archives.msdos.d

Type: unmoderated

Charter: 
   This unmoderated newsgroup is the discussion subgroup of the
moderated comp.archives.msdos.announce newsgroup.  The newsgroup
covers users' reports, questions and discussions about the PD and
shareware programs at the MSDOS FTP sites, and the users' questions
about the MSDOS FTP sites such as the users' connectivity problem
reports.  The group is also for posting requests/replies concerning
where to find such programs as are stored at the MSDOS FTP sites.
The newsgroup does not cover any discussions on fully commercial 
programs or programs for other operating systems like OS/2. (These 
programs have UseNet newsgroups of their own). 

The discussion on this proposal will take place in news.groups.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games,comp.sys.mac.games,rec.games.board,rec.games.chess,rec.games.design,rec.games.go,rec.games.programmer,rec.puzzles,sci.logic,comp.ai
From: Brad Templeton <brad@looking.clarinet.com>
Subject: NEW GROUPS: clari.news.hot.{bush,clinton,perot}
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:49:42 GMT
Summary: new groups for usa elections
Reply-To: info@clarinet.com

We have created three new newsgroups in the clari.news.hot hierarchy.

They are:
	clari.news.hot.bush
	clari.news.hot.clinton
	clari.news.hot.perot

They cover stories primarily about the three main candidates for president
of the USA. 

We have not created groups for other candidates because, quite simply,
they don't generate enough coverage to warrant a group of their own.
Any coverage of them will still appear in the standard groups such as
clari.news.election and clari.news.politics.

ClariNet groups are a paid subscription service.  Contact info@clarinet.com
or phone 800-USE-NETS/408-296-0366 for more information.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek
From: techy@iastate.edu (Technobabblonian)
Subject: MAILING LIST: Babylon 5
Followup-To: news.groups
Keywords: B5, Mailing List
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:38:06 GMT

                   The Semi-Official Babylon 5 Mailing List
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, everything is configured...  here's the scoop:

What Is Babylon 5?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Babylon 5 is a new Science Fiction television show created by J. Michael
Straczynski and produced by Warner Bros. Television Consortium.  The
main setting for the show is the Babylon 5 station, which is constructed
in neutral space to several federations.  The show is slated as a 2 hour
movie in February.  A FAQ list is avaliable upon request.

How Do I Post Messages?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Simply send you "post" to the following address:
B5@iastate.edu
NOTE:  PLEASE NOTICE THE CAPITAL IN "B5"!!!

Your message will then be automatically sent to the other members of the
mailing list.  This seems the best way to go for now, until the show airs.
At that time it may be necessary to compile digests instead of mailing 
every message.

How Do I Join the Mailing List?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Send email to the following address to be added to the list:
b5_add@iastate.edu

How do I Ask a Question That I Dont Want Everyone to See?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You can email it to me at techy@iastate.edu  
Although it may take a while to find the answer, using other networks
and sources it should be answered in a reasonable amount of time.

Get Me Off This Darn List!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you want to be dropped from the list, simply send email to 
b5_drop@iastate.edu
NOTE: At this time, 09 Sept 92, b5_drop is not yet created.  Please 
wait until 10 Sept 92 to drop your name.

Is There a FAQ List for B5?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, there is a FAQ list put together by Lee Whiteside.  There are
also a few GIFs and other related files.  Contact me at 
b5_info@iastate.edu
for general information/requests for GIFs and the FAQ.

Well, thats about all i have to go on about, let's get this
thing rolling! :>

-Troy
-- 
-Troy Rutter        |  Another Budding Programmer of the rare
Iowa State Univ.    |      species of technobabblonians.
Project Vincent     |
    "Beware Romulans bearing GIFs."  -me with apologies to De.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights,alt.abortion.inequity,misc.legal
From: posinski@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Cindy Posinski)
Subject: RFD: sci.eos
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:49:03 GMT

	On behalf of the Earth Observing System (EOS) Project Office, I would 
like to propose the creation of a new moderated newsgroup named SCI.EOS.  
This newsgroup would be used by the Earth Observing System Distributed 
Information System (EOSDIS) community for the sharing of EOS related 
information.  It would include postings of "The Processor" and the "The 
Earth Observer" newsletters which are periodicals containing timely EOS news 
events and information on up-coming meetings.  The newsgroup would also 
contain information regarding new data sets, and other important EOS 
related material.   There are currently hundreds of scientists around the 
world involved with the EOSDIS and this would be a great forum for their 
sharing of ideas.

	Although the EOSDIS Project covers a broad spectrum of the NASA
community, covering many scientific disciplines, we plan to begin
with a single newsgroup (SCI.EOS).  Depending on the usage of
SCI.EOS, sub-newsgroups may be created.

	As proposed by the EOS Project, this newsgroup (SCI.EOS) would 
be moderated by an EOS Project Office representative.

Cindy Posinski
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,sci.virtual-worlds,comp.human-factors,comp.graphics.visualization,alt.cyberspace
From: nick@watfrost.waterloo.edu (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: CFV: rec.games.diplomacy
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:49:11 GMT

                   CALL FOR VOTES: rec.games.diplomacy

PROPOSED CHARTER:
----------------
The newsgroup would be for the discussion and orginization of the game
Diplomacy.  Both regular (ie face to face) and play by mail would
be discussed.


HOW TO VOTE:
-----------
To register a vote, send an email message to:

nick@watfrost.uwaterloo.ca  (also nick@watfrost.waterloo.edu)
(or just reply to this News article).

To vote against the group, send a message similar to:

        I vote NO for rec.games.diplomacy as proposed

To vote for the group, send a message similar to:

        I vote YES for rec.games.diplomacy as proposed

The voting will close at midnight (EDT), 31st Oct. 1992  (1992 11 01 04:00 GMT)

Shortly after the CFV period ends, the vote will be summarized to all relevant 
newsgroups.  If the group receives 100 more YES votes than NO votes, and there 
is a majority of at least 2/3 in favour of the group, the group will be 
created, in accordance with net guidelines.

RATIONAL:
--------

Diplomacy is a very popular board game, that has also been adapted to
play by mail (snail and E).  There are presently over 120 games ongoing
over the Internet, being played by people across the world.  There are
five automated Diplomacy programs (in four continents) connected to
the Internet processing games.  There is much discussion of the game in
the groups rec.games.pbm, rec.games.board and bit.listserv.dipl-l 
(DIPL-L@mitvma.mit.edu).  The problem is that diplomacy is split
between too many places, and its bitnet list does not get a wide enough
distribution.

rec.games.diplomacy would provide a focus for discussion which
currently appears in a number of groups, often to the annoyance
of readers.

There are no plans at the present time to link rec.games.diplomacy to
the DIPL-L discussion list, however this may be reconsidered at a later date.
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups
From: F36SI%CUNYVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu (Matt)
Subject: RFD: talk.politics.model-un
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:49:08 GMT

      Hello - I am trying to create a Model United Nations newsgroup.
      Please send messages to news.announce.newgroups so we can have
      a discussion of the matter to gauge how people feel about this.
      I would like to call it talk.politics.model un so that it will
      be a worldwide distribution.  This group will facilitate the
      exchange of info between Model UN groups around the world.
           See ya Matt
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing
From: zeleny@husc.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Subject: RFD: rec.motorcycles.euro
Followup-To: news.groups
Keywords: Aprilia to Zundapp
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:24:57 GMT

I propose a newsgroup dedicated to the fine art of bench, umm, terminal
racing those exotic Austrian, British, Czech, Danish, Dutch, French,
German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, and Swedish motorcycles.  Also welcome
are the periodic discussions concerning the vagaries of motorcycle travel
and ownership in the Old World, the right side for driving and/or mounting
the sidecar, the horror of helmet laws, and so on.  The Harley bums have
pulled it off, so please don't tell me that it's been tried and found
impossible.  Let's do it NOW.
-- 
cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nous donnons la mort, nous saurons la subir."
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: Helen Trillian Rose <hrose@eff.org>
Subject: CFV: rec.travel.marketplace
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: pick-one@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:05:21 GMT

Charter: This unmoderated group is for forsale and wanted postings for
travel tickets, accomodations, discount coupons, and the like.

Voting Instructions:

Votes should be sent via email. Only votes mailed to the proper
addresses shall be counted. Votes which are posted or mailed to an
invalid address will be voided. In the case of vote changes, the *LAST*
vote sent by an individual will be counted, and previous votes will be
rendered null and void. 

Voting will conclude at midnight Eastern October 28, 1992.

YES votes should be sent to:    rtm-yes@eff.org
NO votes should be sent to:     rtm-no@eff.org

--Helen
-- 
Helen Trillian Rose             	<hrose@eff.org, hrose@kei.com>
Electronic Frontier Foundation   	email eff@eff.org for EFF Info
Kapor Enterprises, Inc.                 Flames to: 
Systems and Networks Administration	women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.apple2
From: jerry@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Jerry Aguirre)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:36:04 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <374@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
>Considering how often (especially w/ alt.*) newsgroup changes occur
>it seems much more reasonable to use the proper exclusions than to 
>attempt to maintain an exhaustive list in the sys file.

Ah, I don't list all the "alt" groups in my sys file.  I just put in
"comp,sci,alt," etc.  Had it for years and never had to mess with it.

What are all these changes I should be making every day? :-)

If you want to put in "alt,!alt.group,!alt.othergroup,..." then that is
fine.  I don't see how the varying number of groups in the alt heirarchy
justifies sloppyness for the others.
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:58:17 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1992Oct3.022347.2591@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
|I suspect that for most of the sites on the net, [all in the sys file] is
|perfectly adequate AND HARMLESS!   It is sites that are on domain or
|hierarchy boundaries that need to be specific about excluding
|hierarchies or distributions.

Really?  And what happens when an article just happens to leak?  If everyone
explicitly stated what to send, instead of using "all", then the leak would
quickly be contained.  Using your example of

|	duke:all,!wd,!bacchus,!rtpbbs,!dt,!to,to.duke/all,!local,!wd,!dt:f:

if one of your other feeds happened to send you a bunch of psu.* trash by
mistake, you would pass it on to duke.  Harmless?  Maybe.  Optimal?  No.

If you say "But if everyone blocks local stuff properly, this won't happen",
you're living in a dream world.  Someone will make a mistake sometime, and
you will help the leak to go everywhere because of your sys file entry.

  Bill
From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:28:33 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: f2af3f8c25444bf05f735ce43dfdef19

In <BvKFp5.BJH@cs.psu.edu> fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
><1992Oct3.022347.2591@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>
>Really?  And what happens when an article just happens to leak?  If everyone
>explicitly stated what to send, instead of using "all", then the leak would
>quickly be contained.  Using your example of
>
>|	duke:all,!wd,!bacchus,!rtpbbs,!dt,!to,to.duke/all,!local,!wd,!dt:f:
>
>if one of your other feeds happened to send you a bunch of psu.* trash by
>mistake, you would pass it on to duke.  Harmless?  Maybe.  Optimal?  No.

	You make the assumption that the site doesn't want "everything".
Also ignoring my caveat that those at the boundaries need to be careful
that they do the exclusions properly.

	There are humans out here doing the management of the feeds, and
the main question is one of what is easy for humans to get right.

>If you say "But if everyone blocks local stuff properly, this won't happen",
>you're living in a dream world.  Someone will make a mistake sometime, and
>you will help the leak to go everywhere because of your sys file entry.

	I did say it, and I'm quite aware that humans make mistakes,
again, the question is to minimize the potential for error.

	Are you going to insist on listing every newsgroup by name?  Are
you going to insist on every hierarchy by name?   If the first case, you
propose an improbable task of having someone hand mung the sys file
every time a new group comes along (if its automated, how is that
different from all? Interactively? Humans make mistakes.)   Even
postulating the second case (list hierarchies explicitly) is going to
push the potential for errors up by increasing the complexity of the sys
file lines.

	The all with careful exclusions handles the majority of cases in
a manner that makes the maintenance of the sys file doable with relative
ease.  For example, I am at the boundary of the dt and wd hierarchies,
and I know it and perform the limits that are necessary.

	Sure enough, someone is going to make a mistake somewhere, and
the error will propogate a bit further, but it can be handled relatively
quickly and easily.

	You are demanding perfection and security in an imperfect and
insecure world.
-- 
Usenet Net News Administrator @ The Wolves Den  (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
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"The flame war is a specific Usenet art form." --me
[This site is not affiliated with Duke University. (Idiots!) ]
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:17:19 GMT

In article <374@ulogic.UUCP> hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
|You say "dream on" for everyone stateing exclusions properly -- how 
|much MORE unlikely then that everyone will maintain an enumerated list
|properly!??????

How many times in the past six years have new heirarchies been added to
USENET?  Not alternate heirarchies, mainstream USENET?

[Assuming US,] When will the sys file entry
    comp,misc,news,rec,sci,soc,talk/world,na,usa,<state and/or local>

ever need to change, unless the person wants to pass alternate heirarchies?

  Bill
From: joann@hstbme.mit.edu (JoAnn B. Sorrento)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Help for New System Administrator, Please
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:40:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep30.164039.7046
Reply-To: joann@hstbme.mit.edu (JoAnn B. Sorrento)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


To Whom It May Concern:

I am a new system administrator (glad to meet you!) and would like
information on how to remove a news group, i.e., the old rec.arts.startrek
news group has been left behind in the wake of a split a few months ago.
How do I remove the old group without impacting on the others?  Thanks in
advance for your advice.

-JoAnn Sorrento, System Administrator
 Biomedical Engineering Center, MIT

(P.S. - I am not a technical person.  Please be kind in your technical
        explanation!  Thanks.)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:14:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.062833.7889@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
|Also ignoring my caveat that those at the boundaries need to be careful
|that they do the exclusions properly.
|
|	There are humans out here doing the management of the feeds, and
|the main question is one of what is easy for humans to get right.

That was exactly my point -- that you're depending on people to get important
things right.

|Are you going to insist on every hierarchy by name?

That would work fine.

|Even
|postulating the second case (list hierarchies explicitly) is going to
|push the potential for errors up by increasing the complexity of the sys
|file lines.

Are you serious?  As I said in <Bvo5wv.GDF@cs.psu.edu>,
>How many times in the past six years have new heirarchies been added to
>USENET?  Not alternate heirarchies, mainstream USENET?
>
>[Assuming US,] When will the sys file entry
>    comp,misc,news,rec,sci,soc,talk/world,na,usa,<state and/or local>
>
>ever need to change, unless the person wants to pass alternate heirarchies?

|	You are demanding perfection and security in an imperfect and
|insecure world.

Hardly.  Providing a sys file example that looks like the above with news
software would allow new installations to get it right; "perfection" doesn't
enter into it.  And where does "security" enter into this at all?

  Bill
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:55:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulogic.374
Organization: negligable

Considering how often (especially w/ alt.*) newsgroup changes occur
it seems much more reasonable to use the proper exclusions than to 
attempt to maintain an exhaustive list in the sys file.

You say "dream on" for everyone stateing exclusions properly -- how 
much MORE unlikely then that everyone will maintain an enumerated list
properly!??????



		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Checking sys files of my feeds
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:46:01 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:
># It assumes that you have a sys
># file entry for each neighbour in the following form:
>#    site:all,!to,to.site,...
           ^^^
Aaaaaaaggggggggggh!  Grond want *kill*.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher              news@uchinews.uchicago.edu