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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:50:03 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1ho41jINNmjm@shelley.u.washington.edu>, monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
> In article <1992Dec28.161939.693@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>
>>Give it up Christopher, only a handful of us actually want serious debate. The
>>rest want to just make noise so no one thinks they are stupid.
>>
> 
> You dare include yourself in the category of those wanting serious debate??

Well, the two or three times someone actually posted series issues
which were contrary to my own, I did respond with a civilized response. (most
recent example was someone bringing up another article which stated the Fischer
had played at a lower level. You will remmeber that I stated I had not read the
article, and provided it had more proofs than Benjamin's article, could be a
serious and posssibly correct view. Most of the boneheads here, like you, just
want to rant and rave and call names. Don't get pissed if I respond to your
sarcasm with sarcasm, bucko!)

> 
> (My apologies for posting here, but DMC ignores e-mail forcing one to
> respond in the newsgroup.  Perhaps if we ignored his postings...)

On the contrary, I have responded to every bit of E-mail. The mail which was an
argument which statrted here, you will remember, was a form letter stating that
due to the nature of the deabte, and the fact questions get repeated, thus
forcing repeat answers to various people, your message should have been posted
here for the benefit of all.

As for ignoring me, I notice that you have failed to follow your own advice
(evidence by your posting here). Perhaps you don't believe in what you are
saying...

 
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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Dennis Baker et al
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:43:48 GMT

Oops!  I wrote:
>obchess:  Where does White get comp for the piece after
>          1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 4.Bxf7 Kxf7 5.Qf3+ Kg8
>          6.Ng5?? Qxg5!  ???  Why is this book?

I omitted a move, namely  5.Nxe4 d5 6.Qf3+ Kg8 7.Ng5?? Qxg5!
Then the comment:
>or obchessreply: After 7.Qxd5+ Be6 8.Qxe6 is mate!  You patz!

makes sense.  Sorry about that.

-Mark
From: lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Lee Van Dyke)
Subject: Wanted: openwindows 3 sparc chesstool
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:53:08 GMT

Has the chesstool been ported from sunview to openwindows3 for
sunos 4.?, or any are their any other non-sunviews programs?

Thanks in advance

Lee

--
Lee Van Dyke
      lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu,
UUCP: infotec!Infotec.COM!lee@sunkist.West.Sun.COM
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: HATE TO BRAG
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 

I just hate bragging, ya' know? But hey, after 7 moves in the game, I
have 2 queens!!!!!!


Yeah man!!!
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From: sloan@willis.cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: US Invitational (tiebreaks)
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:30:18 GMT

For ratings junkies who insist on splitting every hair - here are the
Sonnenborn-Berger tiebreaks.

                     U.S. Invitational Championship
                           2-19 December 1992
        Name         Score  Son-B
  GM Patrick G Wolff  10.5  69.50
      GM Boris Gulko  10.0  70.50
   IM Alex I Sherzer  10.0  66.00
  GM Dmitry Gurevich   9.0  68.00
  GM Yasser Seirawan   9.0  65.25
GM John P Fedorowicz   8.5  55.25
 GM Alex Yermolinsky   8.0  57.00
    IM Ilya Gurevich   8.0  55.50
    GM Joel Benjamin   8.0  49.50
GM Roman Dzindzichas   7.5  55.25
  GM Walter S Browne   7.0  46.50
 GM Alexander Ivanov   7.0  45.75
   IM Stuart Rachels   6.5  41.50
      IM Igor Ivanov   5.0  31.25
           Boris Men   5.0  30.75
   IM Kamran Shirazi   1.0   8.50





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sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: RATINGS
Date: 10 Dec 92 13:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 

         Rec  Player Name           Last On   Times   Max   Rate   Win  Lose
Draw
----  --------------------  --------  -----   ---   ----  ----  ----  ----
   0  Richard Parker        12/06/92     17   100   1427    10     7     0
   1  Rick Franks           12/08/92     16   100   1419     9     7     0
   2  Tim Pollard           09/25/92      1   100   1384     0     1     0
   3  Marc Lukenchuk        10/29/92      4   100   1403     2     2     0
   4  Tony Reesby           09/28/92      1   100   1385     0     1     0
   5  Andy Jones            10/05/92      3   100   1352     0     3     0
   6  Don Burgess           12/06/92      8   100   1359     2     6     0
   7  Kevin Lambrecht       10/29/92      2   100   1369     0     2     0
   8  Tom Lee               12/08/92     10   100   1531     9     0     1
   9  Juan Jackson          11/15/92      2   100   1420     1     0     1
  10  Edwin Neal            11/06/92      1   100   1386     0     1     0
  11  George Rita ii        11/10/92      1   100   1385     0     1     0
  12  Ted Panos             11/13/92      1   100   1387     0     1     0
  13  Al Yard               11/23/92      1   100   1387     0     1     0
  14  Jay Ward              12/03/92      1   100   1418     1     0     0
  15  Sol Steinberg         12/06/92      1   100   1388     0     1     0
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Subject: Re: Need help with GIICS!
From: ace3@quads.uchicago.edu (AA Acero (Tony))
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:36:01 GMT
Reply-To: ace3@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: rec.games.chess
Organization: University of Chicago
Keywords: GIICS
Summary: Help's on the way

Sorry folks!  First I was out of Chicago for 4 weeks performing an experiment
then I took some time off for the holidays.  I've been flooded with mail
(most of it giics-unrelated) and haven't had time to respond to people
requesting and/or providing bug fixes.

There will be a new version out in a couple days that fixes "all known
problems" :-)

Would those that have patched giics in one way or another please send me
either the new code, or a description of what was changed.  This will speed
things along, because a) I'm not having any trouble myself, and b) it will
give me some new ideas!!

Thanks for your patience,

tony


-- 
Tony Acero \   Lots of space for a really witty saying but I just   /U Chicago 
ICS: LLama  \   can't seem to come up with one right now. AAA      /chem grad
'a coy tenor'\____________________________________________________/ '93? :-)
ace3@quads.uchicago.edu|(312)702-8214 (work)|(312)752-5464 (home)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: A game of chess with dmc!?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:40:41 GMT

What an astounding idea - it never occurred to me.  I trust you - and I don't
want to meet you - so why not play on the net right now?  You can take White
(that means you go first).

But there should be some stakes - how about the loser doesn't post on the net
for a year?

dmc    "Mr. Expert"*
1. ?

While I can't imagine a future lawyer cheating by getting advice, I'm willing
to take the chance that someone like Benjamin might kibitz...


*Actually this should be "Mr. Master", but technicalities never bothered me.

This should be a fun tournament.  Your play!

[Sven - wait your turn].
From: fdelahan@math.uci.edu (Franz Delahan)
Subject: Re: Need help with GIICS!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: GIICS
Date: 27 Dec 92 03:53:20 GMT

In article <Bzw47v.72K@world.std.com> mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser) writes:

  (I have omitted the copy of my response to a question about too many
line feeds in GIICS 1.53.)

>You said that 1.51 is available.  Where?  What will I sacrifice if I
>downgrade?

  The last time I looked, GIICS 1.51 was still available by FTP from
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu in the directory pub/chess/DOS as a zip file
giics151.zip requiring unzip version 5.0 to unzip it. I don't think
there is a great difference between 1.51 and 1.53 aside from
the problem in 1.53 with extra carriage returns. You should have
a file called giics.rev with the 1.53 release which ought to list the
changes since 1.51.
 
>How did you customize your copy of GIICS?  Do you have the source?  Is it
>available?  What compiler did you use (I have access to Microsoft C for
>DOS, version 7.0 -- will that do?)?

  When you unzip giics151.zip, you will see that the source is included.
It was intended to be compiled by Borland C++, but uses an ASCII C subset
and should be compilable with other C compilers and a few changes. The
program bears a copyright by Tony Acero (ace3@quads.uchicago.edu), who
I presume maintains it.
 
>Also, what's the scoop with ICS 2.0 version whichever version GIICS is
>designed to work with?  Will the author upgrade GIICS?

A major change was made to ICS a couple of weeks ago.  I have written
to Acero, mentioning the problems with ICS 2.0 and asking whether he
plans to make an upgrade of GIICS.  He has yet to reply.

  I believe the major problem with ICS 2.0 in regard to GIICS is a
change in the Style 8 "board string" emitted by ICS.  I have written to
the person who maintains ICS (sleator@cs.cmu.edu), explaining the
problem. He replied that he was unaware the Style 8 had changed. I
sent him a sample from my log to explain the problem. I haven't heard
from him yet, either.

  After compensating for this change, and fixing a couple of unrelated
bugs, my personal version seems to work very well now. 
 
>Thank you for your reply last time; I hope to hear back one more time!

>...Roy Eassa

You're welcome.




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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts)
Subject: Re: this has got to stop
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:33:47 GMT

In article <1hvtvbINNgti@agate.berkeley.edu> jeff@emily10.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>Please, everybody just ignore this asshole. The inference people fail to make 
>which keeps this guy around is that *only an idiot* would behave this way!  
>That means that it is a waste of time dealing with him.  And I dont mean it is
>a waste of time because you wont convince himn he is an idiot,  that is 
>already obvious.  What I mean is it is a waste of time dealing with him 
>because his opinion is worthless. WHO CARES WHAT THIS GUY THINKS!!

Sorry but I just had to respond. How dare you (and others like Sven)
call that person an idiot or say that he does not know how to play without
a shadow of a proof? How dare you insult him even more when he challenges
you to a game and not accept the challange? Is it just me, or is this
a fine example of two year-old mentality? It seems that you need
to have your memory refreshed as to what an argument ad hominem is.

As to your last sentence, I care what this guy thinks. Human beings
are too stupid to surpress even a single opinion. If you disagree
with that opinion, that is your right, however, it is not your right
to insult anyone. You may point out what, in your opinion, is wrong
with his argument, but it seems to me that you have not even attempted
to do so.     

 
>The Next time you get pissed off at what a total asshole this guy is and get 
>ready to write a response, go through the following thought experiment first:
>Think of what this guy must be like in person.  Imagine how you would react
>to him if you met him in person.  You'd probably just laugh at the guy as 
>a poor deluded guy who just gets on your nerves.  You'd want him to go away.
>You'd realize that fueling his idiotic need for attention will just keep
>him around.  So you'd ignore him.  Let's try to do that here.  
>

I must show this to a logics professor at our university, he will be
able to use your paragraph as a perfect example of the kind of arguments
that should never be used. 
    
>Please. Don't respond to anything he says.  If anything, just do it out of
>curiousity to see what he'll do if he has no one to irritate.
>
>Jeffrey Ely
>
Eric


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Waxman blows the doors off of WinChess
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:52:15 GMT

vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>Well, I just ran WinChess vs. Waxman on my 386DX/50 under Windows with
>approx. 1 minute per move. While WinChess gained a slight advantage
>up to move 15 Waxman blew it away with a brilliant sweep of WinChess'
>weak side.

>Waxman was getting 10:1 in nodes per second and seemed to use the clock
>to its advantage (WinChess has a flat time interval for each move :/

>However, I messed up and don't have a copy of the game, I will run another
>this weekend but my first impression is that Waxman is far superior to
>WinChess (these are both shareware games). 

>Waxman needs a dead piece board :)

>-Garrett


NOW Chess is another pretty decent Windows-based shareware Chess program,
if I recall correctly.  Have you tested that one?
From: 506-5054%wwiv@tweekco.uucp (Craig Jefferies #506 @5054)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: PAPAL CHESS
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 14:07:11 GMT

For this post on Christmas day, it might be appropriate to
include a chess problem by the present Pope, John Paul II.
In Kostyev's _From Beginner To Expert In 40 Lessons_, page
43, he mentions that a Polish chess magazine said that the
Pope is very fond of chess and even composed a few problems
in his youth.  Does anyone have any other compositions or
full chess games by the Pope?  Here's the mentioned problem:

White to play and mate in 3:

 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
 |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |  8   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+      
 | p |   |WP |   |   |   |   |   |  7   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+      
 |WR |   |   |WP |   |   |   |   |  6   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+      
 |WP |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |  5   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+      
 | k |WP  WB |   |   |   |   |   |  4   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+      
 |   |   |WK |   |   |   |   |   |  3   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+      
 |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |  2   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+      
 |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |  1   
 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h

Solution: 1. c8=N!    Ka3
          2. Nb6!     axb
          3. axb mate
From: pals@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Nice Pieces!
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:33:03 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

I received one of the Kasparov chess sets that USCF sells (Garry-6) for
Christmas.  It is a beautiful set - the nicest I've ever used, which
includes the Jacques imitation set that USCF used to sell (although that
was a nice set, too).  All pieces are one-piece carved, and HEAVY.  At $89,
the light-dark brown boxwood set is a bargain, IMHO.  If you insist, for
another $110 you can get the light-black set where the black pieces are
ebony, but the dark pieces are plenty dark in the cheaper set.

-- 
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IPACT, Inc.               |
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Harper Challenged!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.125320.739@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
writes (to Bruce Harper):

>But, since you are SOOOO certain, I'll make you a wager. I fly out to where
>you are, and play YOU in a game of chess.
>
>Loser pays for the roundtrip tickets.

Actually, it would be much easier to do it on ICS!!
You could post the time that the two of you would play,
and everybody here could watch.  Money could still be
involved (maybe...possibly...perhaps).

The address is valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu 5000
This is great!

>So Mr. Expert, still believe so strongly in your claim???

Yet another stone is cast!  Bruce, you gonna take that from him?

-Mark
From: tom.lee@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Tom Lee) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: BSSES
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: tom.lee@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Tom Lee) 

Rick,
Thanks for checking on this for me.

Tom
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From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: How can I play chess on NET WORKS?
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 21:19:05 GMT


Hi friends!

   Happy and merry christmas to  all of you.

   I need to stay in with my computer work, through out these holidays. 

  I want to know how and where can I play chess. I have a vt100 terminal, 
  (so GRAPHIC INTERFACE is out of question on this terminal). 

  Ofcourse, I can keep a board beside myself and play the moves. 

  There is a ftp/telnet site (currently I donot have the exact details, my
  freiend in the other room has them).
  The other day we logged into the chess account, and were at the prompt.
  Message like    

       shah shouts "Any one to play?"
       rick resigns 
       john enters/logged in
       setting up new board (or something similar)
       ...
    There was some thing like help (I guess). But could not get 
   much help (or I may not be knowing how to extract the required details).
   We were not Registered or some thing like that. COULD NOT PROCEED MUCH 
   FURTHER.
   (Using help we came to know that there were commands like whisper, shout
    etc, not of much use to us then).

    Can any noble soul around help me, in establishing networked CHESS links?
    If required I can manage a account  on some X-WINDOW terminal.

    But how can one play? Will it be something like I have a CHESS BOARD setup
    with pieces etc, and fix up my match with SHAH (let us say) by responding
    to him, who too can now have his board setup. So every move he makes is 
    reflected on both the boards or something similar. I exactly do not know,
    how one plays or anything.  If this system  can have CLOCKS etc, I think
    that would be great.

   But am very interested in knowing the ULTIMATE truth.

   I would appreciate any help extended to me in this direction. If somebody
   feels that there is lot that needs to be explained, then I can make a phone 
   call to know the details (hope the teacher is in U.S.A.). Even an email 
   reponse is also appreciated. 

  Finally, your this help would save me in this office  through out these 
  holidays.

  Thanks in advance.

-Indu.
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|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:59:48 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <18796@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
> While there presently exists on the net a rare degree of consensus concerning
> dmc's postings, I must take exception to the earlier comment about
> "lawyering".  A good advocate is often able to convince other's that his
> views have merit, and will generally avoid pointless arguments.  By this
> standard, dmc is not a good advocate.  Whether this is because of his
> abrasive style of argument or the fact that his basic premises are senseless
> (or a combination of both) is a moot point.

A god advoacte tries to sway the judge and jury to his way of thinking. Until
we have EITHER in this newsgroup, I see no reason to waste the effort.

> 
> But don't hold it against me that I'm a lawyer because of what a law student
> is posting.  And with age comes wisdom, so don't give up hope either.

Gee, that's funny. The top litigators are often known as real bastards that no
one wants to go up against. Assholes who reshape the law and make going up
against them sheer agony for their opponents and their oppenent's clients.
                                                                     

> 
> And my final comment is that dmc's use of terms such as a "plays" instead of
> "moves", and "tournament" instead of "match", together with his refusal to
> indicate his rating or chess experience, much less any readiness to discuss
> any of the games in the match, lead me to the conclusion that he in fact
> doesn't know how to play chess at all.

Junior high and high school tournaments. President of the HS chess team in
ninth grade. VERY fond of computer chess games. (Hated it in college. Too many
geeks with no social skills/lives. It was between playing aginst them of with
the females...and tits are more fun than rooks.)

If your 'legal' and 'factual' conclusions in the area of law are as skilled as
your conclusions here, you should be on your eighth malpractice and fourth
public reprimand hearings right about now...
  

					So I think we've all been the object
> of a good practical joke, and if worthless non-GM Ginsburg gets a good
> article out of it, it was time well spent.

Sorry, FAR from a practical joke. More of a 'pulling at their chains'. And, I 
DO hope you stay in this debate. If you stop and think before you post, and
possibly conssult with one or two of your partners/associates, you might make
for good sport.


> 
> And, as I think it is known, I actually think Fischer played quite well in
> the match and had many deep ideas which were sounder than some of the critics
> think.  But after all the postings by dmc over the past few weeks, even I'm
> starting to think Fischer played badly...

Well, you HAVE shown a tendancy for very poor conclusions...

> 
> Merry Christmas everyone!

And Happy New Year.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Best Free Chess Program
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:25:17 GMT

jqtaylor@boi.hp.com (John Quill Taylor) writes:

>What is the strongest *free* chess program? The strongest one I have is a
>corrupted version 1 of Psion - is there a later version in the public domain,
>and where could I get it? I will probably buy Mchess for my 486/66 anyway
>soon, but I'm curious what the best-for-free program is. -jqtaylor


I haven't compared all of them, but I think that Psion 2 would be the top
contender.  Also, NOW Chess is surprisingly good (I believe it's shareware).