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From: laire@klee.uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:03:11 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
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papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>>Hmmm.. heres something you find interesting..
>>
>>Theres a program called GigaMem, which gives you I GIG of VM.
>>Its reviewed in Issue 43 (Feb) 1993 of Amiga Format (UK mag).
>>ohh BTW HB Marketing are distributing it here in sunny(??!?) England.
>>
>>Regards..

>Too bad it doesn't work on 040s and isn't part of the operating system.

You can expect the 40 version soon, if it's not already available in germany.
Christian Schneider has done a great work with GigaMem.

Regards....
-- 
Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1993Jan8.153528.18915@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
>:
>: >If you turned off Protected Mode, you were running 3.0, WITHOUT FastDisk.
>: >This explains why the machine crashed when you allegedly zeroed out the
>: >DOS kernel -- Windows was still trying to use DOS for disk access.
>:
>:   Does using FastDisk redirect a LoadModule() call in Windows?  That
>: function relies on the MS-DOS function 4Bh, Code 00h parameter block.
>:
>
>Apparently, although Windows includes a general-purpose plug-in-filesystem
>interface, FastDisk itself is only used for the virtual memory implementation
>in Windows; it uses DOS for normal file access.  This is so that Windows can
>work with DOS-based filesystem redirectors, such as the currently-popular
>on-the-fly disk compression products.
>

[ text discussing Unix plug in filesystems deleted]
>:
>:   Also, what about the DOS3Call() function that is used to issue MS-DOS
>: 21h interrupt function calls?
>:
>
>What about it?  I've never used it in my Windows programming.
>
>:
>:   Face it, Windows *needs* MS-DOS...

Let's make this clear, Jerry.  You should now know that Windows
still uses the the NONREENTRANT MSDOS disk drivers.  

I thought that the whole basis for your arguments was that Windows
doesn't depend on MSDOS when Windows is in operation ?

But since Windows apparently does depend on MSDOS...well, doesn't
that remove support for your previous line of argument ?

BTW, Microsoft still refers to Windows as an "Operating Environment', as they
do on the disk labels I have here for Windows 3.1.

>Of course it does, but only for MS-DOS compatibility.  It's just the way
>they market the thing.  Windows is an OS, however, and the way the split
>it up and package it doesn't change what it is.

Are you now saying that one must consider MSDOS a part of Windows
that should be considered when arguing whether or not Windows is
an operating system ?  This seems like a 180 degree change from
your previous position on the matter.


Also, very important:  How was it you were unaware that Windows
uses a DOS interrupts for disk operations ?  You've been arguing
that Windows doesn't when Fastdisk is installed for months now;
How could you possibly take that position if you hadn't
checked ?

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |

			andy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: emcoop@bnr.ca (hume smith)
Subject: Re: tcl on the Amiga [was Re: Byte's Amiga 4000 review...]
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
	<1993Jan10.164112.9102@ra.msstate.edu>
	<C0nnDn.3ML@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
	<1993Jan10.224326.24838@ra.msstate.edu>
	<EMCOOP.93Jan10190216@bcars148.bnr.ca>
	<JKH.93Jan10020221@whisker.lotus.ie>
	<1993Jan11.195606.8432@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:00:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.195606.8432@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Hamish.Macdonald@bnr.ca (Hamish Macdonald) writes:

   Jordan> [...]  I think porting tcl to the Amiga would be a Very Good
   Jordan> Thing indeed - especially if enough intuition interface was
   Jordan> provided to give something similar in power to tk.

   I could have sworn that TCL had been ported by Karl Lehenbauer.

i knew i should've moved this to comp.amiga.programmer.  has he ported Tk to MS-DOS too?
thought not.

i'm obviously going to have to get hold of an amiga (had to leave my own at home)
and do it myself.
--
Hume Smith                                    My name is little Bongo
hume.smith@acadiau.ca                         I sing my little song-go
emcoop@bnr.ca                                 I see you staring at my head
                                              I know my ear is long-go
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:46:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.231032.20473@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.165813.27333@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>>
>>>Any graphics with 640x480x8-bit displays or better qualifies, right?
>>
>>640x480x256 qualifies also.
>
>I think you meant 640x400, here.  Otherwise, people will think that you don't
>know that 8-bit = 256 colour.

Oops!  You're right!  :-)

>> This is achievable with only 256k and is
>>supported by many of the SVGA boards.  
>
>Yes, we have some Paradise boards like that, dating from a few years back.

The ET4000 and others support this mode also.

>David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
> - PC's, Unix, and networks by day, Amigas by night...
>Currently residing in Mareeba, Far North Queensland, Australia

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:37:03 GMT
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Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
:
: Don't be rude, he's totally color blind.  As a matter of fact, his
: eyes are so bad that UseNet postings have to be Closed Captioned in
: order for him to understand anything.
:

Aw, is Greggie having another bad day?  Or does Greggie resort to to useless
insult-mongering when his arguments run out of steam?

: Greg
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From: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us (MARK BROWN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Reply-To: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us
X-Software: Legend (216-825-2747) UUCPShell v4.9/med20Dec92
X-Disclaimer: Opinions of users do not necessarily reflect those of managment
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:27:57 EST
Organization: The Legend BBS Public Access (216)825-2747

Why would Amiga Users Need VESA? all vesa is is the Local bus 
standard(Standards? in the IBM clone market? hardly) which the Amiga 
already has, and has had since 87' sorry charlie C= did it first. Boy 
you guys will be frothing at the mouth when a Standard for a CPU 
upgrade slot comes out for all the clones. I wouldn't Mind seeing an 
EISA bus offered in the Amigas(I have NO Idea what it would do to 
price though). Here is something for people to chew on:
   Alot of people complain about the Amigas lack of Networking
Did ya' know C= is the 3rd Largest Novell network 
Manufacture/Dist/Devoloper in the World? You figure that one out!!
    Mark

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Advocacy? What do you want for the Amiga?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:58:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.185500.29496@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>In article <C0nHrv.Grn@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan10.093729.24025@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>>>In article <C0K2p1.1HF@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   That is the typical Amigoid attitude.  With "one of the best multitasking
>>OSs around", you are too proud to run useful software on the computer.  But
>>perfectly willing to run non-multitasking games and demos.
>
>
>	Hey, if your job requires you to run demos, there's no better choice 
>	than the Amiga!
>
>
>>> Integrated packages on other platforms simulate the
>>>ability to have several packages running together.  We don't need that.
>>
>>   You have the vision of a bat.  The included software in an Amiga 'works'
>>package could easily be written to take advantage of all of the Amiga's
>>multitasking capabilities.  The big advantage of an Amiga 'works' package 
>>would be having all of the most useful software applications packaged with
>>the computer, with the applications written to easily share data with each 
>>other.  This would make the Amiga much more attractive to people who might
>>otherwise purchase a Macintosh system with ClarisWorks.  
>
>
>	And *much* less attractive to developers who would write products
>	that had to compete with a set of programs that the user would get
>	for free.  The Amiga is already quality-application anemic.  Why
>	make the situation worse?

   It sounds paradoxical, but including all of this quality software with
Amigas would IMPROVE the market for Amiga software developers.  First, the
extra competition would give them a higher target to shoot for.  If the
included word processor could import EPSF and DR2D graphics, for instance, 
then word processors that couldn't import EPSF and DR2D graphics would never
be acceptable again.  Second, and most importantly, the bundled software
would increase Amiga sales to the kinds of people who buy productivity
software.  One of the Amigas biggest problems right now is that Amigas don't
sell very well to the kinds of people who buy productivity software, and
this bundled software would improve this.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------------------------
"No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer
is a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the AGA chipset." -- me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Will PC Makers Survive Mutimedia?? 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:38:04 GMT

>Well I have both, and neither is very satisfactory for children. There are
>few CD-ROM's for MPC's that are truly worth it. Perhaps the Macmillan's
>Dictionary for Children and the titles put out by Texas Caviar ( Whale of
>a Tale, Annabel's Dream of Ancient Egypt-> for older children), but for the
>most part you'll find very little that's interactive. An example is Interactive
>Storytime (I and II). This is an MPC title that reads 3 books (I have volume
>I). Almost no motion, does not retain the interest of children, etc...Even
>the Discis titles, available for both platforms, are better (and I have very
>mixed feelings about these). 
> 
>For a $40 interesting MPC title one could have a look at Broderbrund's 
>Just Grandma and Me. It does have something special. However for all of
>10 pages (or so) you'd still be better off reading to your children. I do
>admit it is appealing to children though.
> 
>In short, CD-ROM has little to offer families at this time. It is one big
>hype, and far too expensive (both the delivery platforms and the titles
>which bounce around at absurd prices). 
> 
>CDTV/CD-I still have more potential. 
> 

Yes, I have heard many good things about Grandma and Me.  Conversely, I
have seen, and am VERY impressed with Mammals, severaly encyclopedias
and Multimedia beethoven.  For young children, CD-ROM isn't the best
investment because they couldn't assimilate 680MB of information if
they tried!  Simple programs, like the Bearenstien Bear's Counting (an
EXCELLENT title) are just as good to them.

But when a set of encyclopedias costs >$1000.00 and an MPC with CD-ROM
can be had for about the same (with a computer thrown in to boot!) I
don't see how you can say that CD-ROM has little to offer.  And you
haven't given any rationale why CD-I or CDTV is better.  CDTV has less
titles in EVERY category.  How can it, therefore, be better?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: To VM or not to VM?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:05:47 GMT

abuhr@owlnet.rice.edu (Aaron M. Buhr) writes:
>     The Amiga advocates' argument against VM seems ...

... unreasonable, since the Amiga has VM.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:19:21 GMT

In article <C0qsMv.794@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>The A4000 is 68060 and RISC-ready by virtue of the modular CPU slot.
>
>I specifically said "A stock Amiga."  It makes no sense to buy two CPUs
>because C= hasn't got around to supporting the 68060 yet.

Uh, the A4000 is a "stock Amiga". You don't buy two CPU's, you remove the
processor module and insert a new one, whether it be RISC or a 68060.
The capability is there *today*, the chip is not. Sound familiar?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:36:36 GMT
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Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
:
:   We can do without the analogies, especially bad ones, ok?  ;-)
:

I don't know, I thought it was pretty good! :-)

:
:   It's certainly not a go/no-go situation.  If you lack VM and the memory to
: do everything you want at once, you adapt in order to accomplish the tasks at
: hand.
:
:   After all, people *did* get work done in the days before MMU's, VM, MP and
: other esoteric niceties, right?
:

People also got work done before they invented computers, cars, and even
wheels.  Are you suggesting that we should go back to those days?

:   -jack-
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen)
Subject: Re: More Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:44:09 GMT

In article <C0F5z7.A7A@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>"No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer
>is a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the AGA chipset." -- me

< lots of stuff deleted >

Marc, it seems that you want the Amiga to be a Mac. Why don't you just
sell your Amiga and buy a Mac if you think it is so much better. If you
prefer the way a Mac works fine, but don't try to force the Amiga to be 
a Mac. Isn't it nice that you have the freedom to choose? 

I've used a Mac for quite a while now, and it has a lot more problems
with it's user interface than the Amiga. Many of the things you want
the Amiga to do as the Mac does, drive me crazy. Macs are definitely
the worst computer you can buy today. 

Mike Danielsen

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
From: <PAACC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 08:48:19 EST
 <1992Dec29.072401.6373@desire.wright.edu><C01HAx.LGq@news.iastate.edu> <1992Dec29.220445.21086@ludd.luth.se>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Dec29.220445.21086@ludd.luth.se>, pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter
Sj|str|m) says:
>
>        You finally understood it... The Amiga has always been a home computer!
>It is now also gaining in the video and multimedia market, but it is and
>will always be, I think, a very competent home computer. I don't see the
>use for CBM to sell the Amiga as a unix system or word processor or
><business software> computer. The video and multimedia markets are still
>kids compared to other computer markets today. :)
>
>                /Peter
 Yes,but not everyone wants to do home video production. You have to sell to
businesses because that market is so much bigger than video. Perhaps the IBM
and Macs are up to Amiga standards in video but they're already there in the
company. I really do belie that you have to have strong productivity software
to suceed. You skew the market towards graphics/video and you'll never get out
of that "niche" and you'll always be seen as a "niche" computer.
  And come on,how many "home" users (with all the images that brings up) need a
25MHz 68040 machine?
 Paul
From: alan@xserver.uts.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Mac is not ideal (was Re: Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths)
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:06:06 GMT
Organization: Amdahl

I, too, have taken a lot of heat about my comment that the Amiga
printer support is weak.  So now we hear that "just convert your
output to bitmap at the printer resolution and send it to the printer".
Terrific!  So now I am supposed to buy all of my 1.3 customers a new
printer, new AmigaOS just so they can print nicely.  Final Copy is the
premier example.  Why then all the bitching about FCII not using 
standard system fonts?  Maybe because they don't look good at 
high resolution.  Maybe I would rather use the nice high resolution
fonts in my printer (post script anyone) than send nearly a megabyte
of data to a printer for each page of printing (I like my LaserJet
printing at 1 page every 2-3 minutes).  Just because it can
be done doesn't mean it could not be a whole lot better.

Stop being so ...damned defensive.  Just as the Mac is seriously
brain damaged when it comes to multitasking, animation, etc does not
mean that the Amiga OS could not use a seriously better paper interface!
The Mac paper interface happens to be very good and is worth looking at
talking about, and, yes, considering! 

-- 
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From: tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:12:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.155422.90917@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
|> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
|> > Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines) writes:
|> >>Barrett@iastate.edu (marc N. Barret

[Mark Barrett Deleted] (Feels great!)
|> 
|>         Actually, one trend that I've noticed is the number of Amiga mags
|> has declined in the US, but increased in England. I don't know about France
|> or Germany though (not much of a market for computer mags in a non-English
|> language here in Oz). The only US magazines I see now are AC-Tech and Amiga
|> Whirld, and in very small numbers, but I see at least 4 monthly Amiga mags
|> from England in the bookstores, and in much larger numbers (I'd say that
|> for every US mag sold, 5 or 6 English mags are sold).
|> 
|> Of course, all of the English magazines I see regularly come with at least
|> 1 and often 2 disks of demo software (mostly games, but also word processors,
|> music programs, paint programs, PD utilities, etc).
|> 
|>            Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
|>                     DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
|>              Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.

The best Amiga magazine I know is a German magazine, simply called Amiga
I think. All the software the Amiga `does not have' (according to Marc Barrett)
is advertised and reviewed in it. If Marc mails me his address, I will send
him a copy...

Frank
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:58:06 GMT

>>So if I want a 68060 based computer, I can buy a A4000 for $2500.00,
>>throw out the 68040, and put in the 68060...good plan!
>
>Christ, do you know what you're talking about?  The 4000 doesn't have
>a CPU on the motherboard.  When the '060 comes out Commodore will
>simply offer an A4000/060, hardly any engineering involved, all
>the'd have to do is design a new CPU board.
>

If this is so easy, why did it take them so long to put an 040 in a
stock Amiga?
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3DO news
Date: 9 Jan 1993 17:58:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>In other words, I don't see what it has to do with the Amiga at all!

	Rumors have it that the 3DO hardware design involves at
least RJ Mical, Dave Needles and Dale Luck, three of the original
Amiga designers.

--Andre

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