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From: karloey@aahs.no (Karl Anders Oygard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Mouse talk
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:54:59 GMT

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To: comp-sys-atari-st <comp-sys-atari-st@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Mouse Chat

May I quote...
>>
>>>> (By the way, what is the preferred plural form of 'mouse'?)
>>>
>>>'Mice' - asit usually is!
>>
>> If the plural of "mouse" is "mice" and the plural of "louse" is "lice", is
>> the plural of "spouse" "spice"?
>>
>> Inquiring minds want to know...
>>
>Uh... The plural of spouse is BIGAMY!
>Sorry :-)
>>
>>--
>>Jerry Dunham                                      dunham_jerry@tandem.com
>>Tendem Computers, Inc.                              dunham@mpd.tandem.com
>>Austin, TX                                                  (512)244-8598
>>                 This opinion intentionally left blank.
>
> Doug Plate
>

If the plural of spouse is BIGAMY, is the plural of spice DOPE or FOOD?
And why do I like lots of it?

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From: joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Communications Software
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 00:42:28 EDT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

virus@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:

> Can anyone tell me where I can get communications software that will run on
> a 1040ST without a hard drive (just one floppy)?  If there is a shareware or
> public domain program available, please tell me where I can get it.  Please
> tell me if there is an FTP site or a phone number where I can download.
> 

Have you tried FreezeDried (FZDTerm)?  I don't know if it support Kermit
but I know it supports just about every other type of down/upload
protocall.  Also, since the transfer protocall are not built into the
program but are external modules, any stand alone tranfer protocall can
be used.

Their is a demo version of the Shareware program on just about every
BBS board I can think of.  The program cost $25.00 and is available
through its author, Aaron Hopkins.  By the way, it might interest you
to know that Mr. Hopkins is (I think) 17 years old.  He's written,
what I believe to be, one of the best telecommunications program out
for the ST at the present time.

Just this persons humble opinion............
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz)
Subject: nroff 1.2.1 uploaded
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:21:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.



as promised, i have uploaded file "nroff121b.zoo" to atari.archive
(in atari/new dir).

this contains binary only distribution of what i am currently using:

	nroff.ttp	v1.2.1
	man.ttp		v3.0.1
	manpager.ttp	v1.44

included are manpages (source+formatted) and -man and -ms macros for nroff.
see readme for install/use notes. i'll post src later. this nroff will
(correctly, i hope) generate font escapes for manpager (use -T option).
i have used these heavily over the last couple of months (eg formatted 200+
manpages).

still missing from nroff are traps/diversions/etc. i may never get to this!

enjoy...

-bill
rosenkra@convex.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: Mono software on a Falcon? 
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:10:56 GMT
Keywords: mono falcon

Just out of curiosity...
I found hi-rez mode essential for stuff like {uw, mgr, uniterm(tek mode),etc.},
and since the Falcon's "true color" mode is of the same order... I'm inclined
to call it high resolution (from a many year atari user, just now experiencing
800x600 on a PC).
Can one run UW on a Falcon with a color monitor?  Must it be a VGA monitor?(Do
I still need my monitor master and mono????)

jc

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: vombruch@quando.quantum.de (Stefan vom Bruch)
Subject: Re: Why no floppy port on the Falcon??
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
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Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:29:52 GMT

Jan T. Kim (aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de) wrote:
: In <1992Sep9.222135.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> dtarico@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
: 
: >Can anybody give a good reason why the Falcon would not have an external
: >floppy drive port? [...]
: 
: [ ... ]
: assume. However, it may be difficult to hack up the Falcon TOS to
: deal  with the additional drive, if the programmers of the Falcon
: TOS assumed there would never be a drive B:

No, it's not a software-problem. The only reason is that there isn't enough 
room for another port.
I don't think I will miss the second floppy port very much. If you want to
do some serious work you'll need a harddisk anyway and if you just want a
Falcon for fun and games (and I hope there will be games for it) then those 
will support only one drive and/or a harddisk.

Stefan


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
From: James.Hampton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:11:17 GMT
Organization: Actrix Networks

In article <1992Sep7.005733.3791@spcvxb.spc.edu> mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> 
> In today's New York Times, there is an ad from J&R Music World
> for a Mac Classic II for $1199.  For that you get:
> 
> 68030-16mhz mpu
> 4mb RAM
> 40mb hard disk
> keyboard
> (hi rez mono monitor built in)
> 
> That is $400 more than the indicated price of the Falcon and for
> that extra money you get 3mb more RAM, monitor, hard disk, and
> stable system software.  ...not to mention the thousands of software
> titles available off the shelf (instead of hunting all over town for
> a music store with a few game titles).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris

The pick of the wizard of Wall street is a Mac Classic II?  Sounds
like the wizard turned himself into a clown!
 
The 68030 in the Classic II is crippled with a 16-bit bus.  If you
also think a tiny mono monitor is some kind of bonus then you must
be into S&M.

An analyst such as you shouldn't have any problem adding up the 
few extras included in the Falcon.  Try adding up what the following
features would cost in a Mac: DSP with 16-bit stereo I/O, VGA _and_
NTSC video, SCSI 2, IDE, video overlay/genlock, blitter, etc.
Include an OS with pre-emptive multitasking and memory protection
in your total.

Take a week and report back what the extras would cost us.  Thanks
for helping us ignorant folks out.
 
   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:09:55 GMT


Nice arguments you brought up. Some interesting points you had there.

4000,- DM is a big chunk of money for a 486/33 MHz considering the average
earning rates in germany (at least in west-germany). However, the regular
packages (Falcon030 with/without HD) do not include a monitor so I would
imagine that a complete Falcon030 with HD, Monitor, 4 Meg RAM is over
2000,- DM. Still a rather big price to pay and big corporations, even in
europe where Atari Corp. makes most of its money, will not buy it since
they can't provide the service that IBM, Compaq, Digital can.
I have to disagree with you TOTALLY with MultiTOS and OS/2 2.0 being similar.
If anyone will "borrow" any ideas, it will be Atari from IBM's OS/2 2.0 but
you have to realise that you can't just borrow from IBM. YOu have to pay
BIG bucks in order to use their patents. Microsoft pays IBM 20-25 Million US
dollar in order to have the rights to use IBM patents. Will MultiTOS become
as nice as OS/2 2.0? NO, it will never be. The early beta versions of 
MultiTOS were slow, unreliable and unstable. Nothing much has really changed.
IBM's OS/2 2.0 software devision employees 300 programmers while Atari has
only 3 (maybe a few more, they don't like to give this information away ;-)).
You can't say anything about OS/2 2.0 unless you sit down in front of a PC
and see it do its wonders. Forget about other OSs, OS/2 will be the way of
the future. Unless Unix Labs come up with their "Destiny OS", IBM is on the
road of victory. So far I have heard some of the new MultiTOS options and
they seemed to be borrowed from other GUIs.

True, the Tramiels are after money. Believe me, they need it BADLY. Will the
Falcon030 save them? No. Why? Like you said, it's the nineties and not the
eighties. ;-)

There is some truth to the matter that the computer only counts but seriously,
all decisions are made by the Tramiels. Everything from production to what
Atari emplyees can say. 

Mark Kovarski
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is FontGDOS widely available yet?
Keywords: Font,GDOS
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:18:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep8.191809.6475
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep7.123959.7379@ac.dal.ca> cordes@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
> Has the issue of the public availability of the FontGDOS released by Atari 
>to GENie been resolved? In particular, I'm wondering if anyone got 
>'official' clearance from Atari to post the complete package, including the 
>required new printer drivers, to BBS's, etc.

It should be since the only restriction when it was released on GEnie
was that GEnie had a 30-day exclusivity agreement on it.  The 
FONTGDOS.TXT file included in the complete FontGDOS package states 
"this program is freely distributable, although ATARI retains the
copyright on it."  I've already uploaded it to local BBS's.

Steve
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:13752 rec.audio:12453 sci.skeptic:16386
From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.audio,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:53:13 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <AegadO_00awJ43nmx2@andrew.cmu.edu> sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier) writes:

>..  [stuff deleted] ...
>Accessorily, a lot of (at least some) DAT-readers can be switched between 
>48, 44.1 and a third speed (I can't remember).
The other frequency is 32kHz.  I read somewhere (Sound-on-Sound mag I think)
that this rate is used in radio broadcasting.

>I don't know if digital copy is easy to get (I believe there is another
>protection). My knowledge in this domain is a bit too limited !
>(and I don't have neither a CD nor a DAT)
SCMS is designed to allow exactly one digital copy.  The copy cannot be
further duplicated digitally. Pro DAT players do not have SCMS, and 
a box to defeat the system is available quite cheaply.  Some domestic DAT
machines will not record digitally at 44.1kHz, to prevent digital pirating
of CDs.

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+---------------------------------------------------+
- Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not 
  be construed as an official comment from the JET project.
From: dah90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Halls DA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Guck & Mint problem
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:15:35 GMT
X-Face: 
	 "woZS-R5B?.Ozdlep3Mp[yyQ@i0i-I`m"P;sTp>H5K8s>cY?yNkXjf73T(9)a87O]K"^lI(
	 %\>Jxe8+b}ZJFli{|^j?sYIuMs[E^;'MS|xFl6ug(8\?EBOkA$@&74

Guck won't call it's editor (whatever you want it to be) under MiNT. Anyone
else had this problem? Any solution or do I live with it?

Ta.

Dave.

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dah90@uk.ac.soton.ecs    Southampton University, England
From: marc@hemlock.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: 300dpi GDOS fonts
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:31:21 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: marc@hemlock


Hi People,

Can anyone point me at any 300dpi GDOS fonts please?  I need them for
my DeskJet and various GDOS applications.  Or perhaps I can just fire
up a font editor and munge some existing fonts -- expand them, etc.?

Thanks for any clues...

Cheers,

[M][a][r][c]
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 68040 accelerator board?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:05:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <9209031931.AA15117@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Your Conscience <dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>Hello!? I seem to have missed something very important! There seems to be some 
>talk about a 68040 board or upgrade or hack that can be bought/built for the 
>Atari ST?

	From the descriptions so far, it is a stand alone (a tower?) from
the main Mega ST (only so far) that houses a 66MHz 68040 (way over-driven
IMHO, put perhaps bearable if it has some INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH heat sinks
and one heck of a fan - maybe liquid cooled :).  Perhaps more busses (I hope)
and memory.  Supposedly runs at about 24MIPs.  I wonder if it uses a cache
(outside of the onboard of the '040)?  Would really Haul A** with a decent
(ie: 256k+) cache...

	Supposedly, the makers will be publishing the designs for it in 
one of the magazines (ST USER?  ST Magazin?).  I hope so - my soldering iron
is just _waiting_ to be able to do it...so long as I can interface it to my
TT...:)...then I could have the '040 and stick a graphics card in my TT
and really  have an awsome system.

>What should I know about this?

	Its not being put out by Atari.  It might be viable.  :)
Think of it this way.  Even if you only used it at 33MHz, it would still
blow the socks off of a LOT of PC hardware out there today.

>Is it just wishful thinking?

	Nah, people actually saw it working up and personal.  Wishful thinking
might just apply to being able to build your own.

>Is it real?

	One of the guys said he ran his own program (draws lines all over the
screen) on it.  How much more real do you want than being able to run your
programs? :)

>Can I use it on a Mega?

	YES!  it was designed for one.

>How much does it cost?

	The guy quoted $3000 DM, and $2000 (US).  Sounds good, but home-built
sounds better.  :)

>---------------------------------------------------------------------->
>|-) -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>
>- who now has a shorter .sig file due to complaints...
>
>  |||        - FRANK ZAPPA for president! "One of his best qualifications is
> / | \         that at least he won't take it seriously." - Jammer

-Mike
From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Multi-sync
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:35:33 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

About a year ago, I went through the somewhat ardous task of buying and
hooking up a muli-sync to my ST.  There are 3 models I can name off the top
of my head, and all are good monitors:
NEC 3D, Acer 7013, Loop CT1458
Both the NEC and the Acer are 800x600 norm and 1024x768 interlaced models,
while the Loop is a 1024x768 NON_interlaced.  All can be had for either
$250-$400.  And, yes, the monitor MUST support a 15.75 scan rate (why is
that ridiculous?!)  There are several multi-sync connectors on the market
that will also switch modes for you - the most common are: Ominix-3,
OmniSwitch, ToadSwitch, and the Ultra-Switch - I bought the Loop - good
luck!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:38:55 GMT

James.Hampton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.005733.3791@spcvxb.spc.edu> mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>> 
>> In today's New York Times, there is an ad from J&R Music World
>> for a Mac Classic II for $1199.  For that you get:
>> 
>> 68030-16mhz mpu
>> 4mb RAM
>> 40mb hard disk
>> keyboard
>> (hi rez mono monitor built in)
>> 
>> That is $400 more than the indicated price of the Falcon and for
>> that extra money you get 3mb more RAM, monitor, hard disk, and
>> stable system software.  ...not to mention the thousands of software
>> titles available off the shelf (instead of hunting all over town for
>> a music store with a few game titles).
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chris
>
>The pick of the wizard of Wall street is a Mac Classic II?  Sounds
>like the wizard turned himself into a clown!
> 
>The 68030 in the Classic II is crippled with a 16-bit bus.  If you
>also think a tiny mono monitor is some kind of bonus then you must
>be into S&M.
>
>An analyst such as you shouldn't have any problem adding up the 
>few extras included in the Falcon.  Try adding up what the following
>features would cost in a Mac: DSP with 16-bit stereo I/O, VGA _and_
>NTSC video, SCSI 2, IDE, video overlay/genlock, blitter, etc.
>Include an OS with pre-emptive multitasking and memory protection
>in your total.
>
>Take a week and report back what the extras would cost us.  Thanks
>for helping us ignorant folks out.
> 
>   

Mr. Hampton,

are you going to write applications that will take advantage of all those
features? Or are you planning to port current programs to the Falcon?
Think about it and get back to me....

Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: MIDI file players (WAS : MOD players)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:10:37 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Sep10.102414.12332@aston.ac.uk> wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim) writes:

>AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox) writes:
>: Just wondering if anyone out there has heard of a MOD player that will
>: play MODs at random, say from a given disk.  Is there such a thing?
>: Also, just out of curiosity, what is everyone's favorite MOD player?
>: Thanks for any info!
>:
>:
>: Kevin
>:
>

The most easy thing to do is write a short C program that does the
random thing and calls your favourite MIDI file player. If you're smart,
you might even build in the possibility to set an environment value
that determines what the name of your midi file player is, and what
basic arguments you want to give it. Please post it if it's finished :)
-- 
________________________________________________________
    Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
   7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.
From: joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: VIKING MONITOR FOR SALE!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:35:18 GMT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

19" Viking Moniterm monitor for sale complete with MegaST graphic card.
Asking price is $800.00.  This monitor can only be used in the Mega ST 
(not MegaSTE or 1040) computers.  If interested call B&G Electronics
1-(216)-521-2855, or send Email to joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org.  This monitor
is in great shape and was hardly used.
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ZOO/ZIP etc...RELIABILITY?????
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:03:18 GMT
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
Organization: Equinox Networks, ChCh, New Zealand * Private Node: Yonder
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <1992Sep1.093143.1@sscl.uwo.ca>, richardson@sscl.uwo.ca writes:

>All the talk concerning the size and spped etc. of different archivers is fine,
>but in the long run I want to know which of these formats is the most stable. 
>If I go to de-archive some data files 6mos. form now I don't want bad header
>errors galore...anyone have any facts on reliability of archivers?  Maybe you
>could post if you lost an archive and we could do a very un-scientific poll of
>archive reliability.  BTW, i'd always found .lzh the best for size, until.zoo,
>and I haven't really looked at .zip.

What difference does time make to an archive? Surley the only thing that 
 could cause it to go bad overe time would be the media that it is stored on?

 Craig.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech,sci.crypt
From: neuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern))
Subject: PGP 2.0 available for ftp from ftp.uni-kl.de
Summary: PGP 2.0 is now available from ftp.uni-kl.de: pub/atari/incoming
Keywords: PGP,encryption,public-key,ftp,e-mail,email
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:57:02 GMT

Good day.

I have downloaded the UNIX release for PGP 2.0 from ghost.unimi.it and
placed it in ftp.uni-kl.de:pub/atari/incoming.  I tested compilation
and basic functionality on a SUN Sparcstation, and the docs say that
it should also compile on an Atari.  I have not tested that yet.

The files are pgp20src.zoo (for MSDOS-like systems) and pgp-2.0.tar.Z
(for Unices).  The archives contain exactly the same files; just the
names are different.

Please note that this software originated outside the USA, so you
might not legally be able to import it.  If anybody is interested in
the docs, I can mail them some 150K bytes of ASCII text.  Here is the
blurb:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) ver 2.0 - RSA public-key encryption freeware
for MSDOS, protects E-mail.  Lets you communicate securely with people
you've never met, with no secure channels needed for prior exchange of
keys.  Well featured and fast!	Excellent user documentation.

PGP has sophisticated key management, an RSA/conventional hybrid
encryption scheme, message digests for digital signatures, data
compression before encryption, and good ergonomic design.  Source
code is free.

Filenames:  pgp20.zip (executable and manuals), pgp20src.zip (sources)
Keywords:   PGP, Pretty Good Privacy, RSA, public key, encryption,
	    privacy, authentication, signatures, email
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sig closed for inventory.  Please leave your pickaxe outside.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech