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From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:18:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.181139.24104@grace.boeing.com> anderson@atc.boeing.com writes:
>
>Perhaps some of you who are dedicated to speeding can explain why you are so
>insistent that the law regarding the use of the left lane be observed, and so
>cavalier about breaking the law regarding maximum speed?  Is one of these laws
>more significant than the other?

I'll take a stab at this.  If you are blocking the left lane, you are
obstructing other drivers.  This is not just a personal decision which
effects you, it effects many other people as well.  If I wish to drive
70, and doing so does not pose a danger (as it would if, say, I was
going 70 down an empty carpool lane while the rest of traffic was going
25) that decision effects only me.  I'm not forcing you to drive fast,
I'm just asking for the common courtesy that you get out of my way.
You, in blocking the left lane, are forcing me to comply to your whims,
and this makes your offense the graver of the two.  Remember - 55 is a
bad law, just like the Jim Crow laws of the South.  It is virtuous
to break the 55 mph speed limit.  We are all a little like Martin Luther
King when we drive faster than 55, and like him, are only dangerous to
the established power structure which profits from oppressive laws.
(Half-A-Smiley, on the assumption that otherwise this line of thought
is going to get some people really irate...)

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Subject: Re: Country music
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:09:59 GMT

In article <1287@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> jah0532@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Julia Henry) writes:
>I am getting frustrated while looking for tapes by country music
>artists.  Which stores in Seattle are the best sources?
>
>-- 
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>                                            Isaac Bashevis Singer

Silver Platters is by far and above the store with the best selection.
Target is another store that has a great select, although not a complete
as SP, at a $2-4.00 price differance over other stores.  But to get tapes
you may have to breakdown and record your cd's.  





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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: davego@halcyon.com (Dave Oliphant)
Subject: Re: doomsdayer
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:22:07 GMT

In article <3056@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> rfisher@uswnvg.com (Robert Fisher) writes:
>
>NO NO NO!!! you dont get it do you!!!
>Distribution is not the issue.  Pure population volume will outpace the
>total oput of consumable goods producable with the expected level of tech.
>by the year 2050.  No matter how it is distributed.  Current starvation is
>a direct result of bad distribution, and mindless waste by developed countries, but it is nothing compared to distribution in 60 or so years.  Immagine, the
>U.S. having to import 33% of its food to support our population.  Then immagine a distribution problem!!

Pure hogwash, IMHO!
From: allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Summary: just blow them a kiss
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:30:30 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

> Anyway, when people start blinking at me and acting like a$$holes, I look at
. . . . . . .


When anyone plays games with me, especially thost who like to lean on
their horns or shout at me because I am on my bicycle and slowing
traffic down (when I have to due to narrow lanes and I have to exert
my legal right to claim the lane; for example the right hand lane of
Bellevue Way) I dont give them the finger, or shout, or anything else
that might provoke a fight.

Instead, I stop the bicycle, turn around and blow them a nice sweet
kiss.

This gives them something that it totally unexpected and peacefull and
makes a statement that I cannot be provoked.

Mark Allyn
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From: zander@sumax.seattleu.edu (Carol Zander)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Folk music concert, Michael Smith, Sunday Jan. 10
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:07:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1idbc9INNf6k
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

The Seattle Folklore Society is proud to present

			 Michael Smith

at the Arkadian Bookshop (5232 University Way, Seattle) on January 10
at 7:00 pm.  Tickets are $7 - $9.  For reservations, call 361-9098.

After hearing Steve Goodman, Claudia Schmidt, Tom Rush, and Jim Post
perform his music, come hear Michael sing his own songs!  From 
"Spoon River," "The Dutchman," and "Vegematic," and the Tony Award
winning "Grapes of Wrath," his songs will delight you in this
Sunday evening concert.
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:51:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <C0IAy3.2t8@spdg.com> jallred@spdg.com (John Allred) writes:

>In article <1993Jan7.195333.28152@voodoo.ca.boeing.com> mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.232432.4907@mdd.comm.mot.com> mccart@mdd.comm.mot.com writes:
>>>Why has no one mentioned that it is not only courteous to move over from the 
>>>left lane, but it is now a law that you are only to be in the left lane to
>>>pass?
>>
>>Would one of you who are gleefully touting this fact provide a reference
>>or documentation.... an RCW code would be nice.

>Well, I don't have a copy of the RCW codes, but there are signs on the
>freeway in many locations that say "Slower Traffic Keep Right", which
>certainly implies that the left lane is the passing lane.

>John Allred (jallred@spdg.com)

>-- 

And, of course, they are referring to traffic that is SLOWER THAN 55. 
Not traffic that is too slow for the leadfoots to get around.

*grumble*

Crystal
  ;>"

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: doomsdayer
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:27:08 GMT

>In article <1993Jan2.180115.1271@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan2.012434.6037@eskimo.com> alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler) writes:
>>                                          This doesn't sound like
>>a plausible scenario in a world on the brink of starvation. The main
>>problem is one of distribution.  Look at Somalia.  That country could
>>easily feed its own people - but all the "powerful interests" seem
>>interested in is fighting to the death for political control of the
>>starving population.  *That's* not an *agricultural* problem.
>
>Like I said, in the "real world" we cannot feed current population
>levels.  Millions of people are starving to death around the world
>this very minute.  Overpopulation is here today, right now, we cannot
>feed the people that are currently alive.  In an ideal world, in your
>dreams or fiction, everyone can be fed.  In the real world they cannot.
> 

Well, if it's "our" responsibility to feed the entire world, then I
guess that's a problem, alright.  Overpopulation is a problem, but
at current polulation levels, not a agricultural one.  Most of the
people who are starving to death live under despotic governemnts which
don't see the welfare of their people as a prime concern.  Again, this
is not a agricultural problem.  Please bear in mind that my comments
did not expouse the premise that we *can* feed everybody in the world
as it exists politically right now - just that the reason that we can
not feed them is not due to the "fact" that there is not enough food.

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:34:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.011402.6988@voodoo.ca.boeing.com> mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
>Unfortunatly, there
>are plenty of folks out there who in this situtation feel that their desire
>to get to their destination quickly is paramount to my desire to get to my
>destination quickly, *and* legally, *and* safely.
			    ^^^^^^^

Like everyone else, you are simply choosing which laws you wish to obey
based on your personal preference.  You are *not* legally driving if you
are in the left lane and there are people waiting to pass you.

So you might want to get off that legal high horse and admit that you
don't want to drive over the speed limit, don't like other people to
do it either, and are passive-aggressively enforcing speed limits by
acting as a pace-car traffic block.

It's certainly more attractive than continued disavowals of illegality.

Bill
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From: poltrock@atc.boeing.com (Steven Poltrock)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:28:34 GMT

It is interesting to compare our driving speeds and rules to those followed
in Europe.  In Italy, for example, different cars are subject to different
speed limits, but until recently there were no limits on cars with powerful
engines. Those limits are still not enforced.

The law in Italy forbids passing on the right. Cars must always be overtaken 
on the left.  Furthermore, the law forbids blocking the path of someone 
who wishes to pass you.  

For example, someone creeping along at 75 mph in the right lane would certainly
be passed on the left by all the people going 80 and 85 mph.  But those 
people would immediately merge into the right lane so a Ferrari could pass
at a 100+ mph. The overtaking driver generally flashes his/her headlights
well in advance so that the driver ahead will have plenty of time to get 
out of the way. Anyone who doesn't get out of the way will soon find a car
inches away from their rear bumper.

Surprisingly, this system works amazingly well.  Because people cannot pass
on the right, it eliminates weaving through traffic.

Steve Poltrock
From: pat@sleepy.UUCP (Pat Eyler   )
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Summary: is it possible??
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:39:25 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1ina6oINN66j@sumax.seattleu.edu>, daveike@sumax.seattleu.edu (Eickerman) writes:
> 
> Is it possible to pass someone in a '68 Bus?  ;)
> 
> John Eickerman (daveike@seattleu.edu)


Sure, I used to do it all the time...
   'Course the only things I passed were parked   :)

      Pat Eyler        pat@sleepy.boeing.com
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:51:40 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1iaba5INNsrq@shelley.u.washington.edu> nicolett@carson.u.washington.edu (Nicolette Roberge) writes:
/Finally, driving 55 you still get there. And burn less gas doing
/it. Petroleum is still a finite resource, and fuel conservation can save
/us money as individuals. 

Driving 45 you still get there and burn even less gas.
At 35 mph you will generally see a peak in mileage. This is at the point
where the car is in high gear, so internal engine losses are the least,
and the air drag is still minimal (air drag increases as the cube of the
speed, as I vaguely remember).

The point, obviously, is that there are other factors besides simply fuel
savings.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: jw4@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Joel Ware)
Subject: Re: Anyone have something good to say about University Ford?
Followup-To: poster
Summary: NOT!
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:47:43 GMT

NO, when they were still a Nissan dealer, they tried to charge me more than
the agreed estimate for a routine tuneup on my '86 Stanza.  Their excuse was
"Well, we found out that it had eight spark plugs, so we charged extra." LAME !
(I believe that all of the Stanzas came with the NAPS 8-plug 4-cyl engine)

They also had not fixed an emissions problem under warranty, because 
"We are no longer authorized by Nissan to do warranty work."  I was amazed
that this had not occurred to them when I turned the Stanza in for service,
only afterwards.  LAME !

Needless to say, I did not pay a nickel over the written estimate, nor did
I return there for any future services.

I have had good experiences at Wilson Ford and Younker Nissan since.

Joel Ware, IV   (206) 957-5155 (W)     (206) 783-4784 (H)  (206) 957-5050 (FAX)
Boeing Computer Services, Workstation Software Technical Services
P.O. Box 24346, Mailstop 7M-HC,  Seattle WA 98124 
DISCLAIMER: The above is my personal opinion -- not my employer's !
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DISCLAIMER: The above is my personal opinion -- not my employer's !
From: mayo@pa.dec.com (Bob Mayo)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Camcorder rental?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:42:00 GMT
Organization: DEC Western Research Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: mayo.pa.dec.com

Can anybody recommend a place that will rent a camcorder to me for 1 day?
Bellevue area is preferred, but any place in the Seattle metro area is ok.

--Bob 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto )
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: fsl
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:06:54 GMT

From article <1993Jan6.201533.2191@kopachuk.uucp>, by dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman):
> In article <crystal.726264016@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>> 
>>Anyway, when people start blinking at me and acting like a$$holes, I look at
>>my speedometer, and if I'm going over 55 (simply because I'm keeping pace with
>>the majority of the traffic) I will let the turkey by and hope he gets nabbed.
>>Then I will slow my speed back to 55, if safe to do so.  (ie, no one else 
>>tailgating...)
> 
> Most people who flash their lights at you are not doing it to annoy
> you.  It is an internationally-recognized signal that (you are
> obstructing traffic and) the person behind you would like to pass.
> Since it is unlawful to obstruct traffic, you are correct to pull
> over and let the person pass.  I just can't figure out the left-lane
> bandits who, when I signal them in this way and pass, pull back
> in behind me, tailgating, with their high beams on.  What are they
> doing, "teaching me a lesson?"  Demonstrating their ignorance, if
> you ask me.  The rude driver is the one who comes up behind you and
> passes you on the right while you are moving over to the right to
> let him/her pass.  Those people cause accidents.
> 

Also,  If you do come up upon some traveling slower than you in fast
lane, don't flash your headlights upon them till they hav had a chance
to move over.  I have found that if I am following someone that if I
back off until the other driver can move over, the other driver will
usually maintain a high speed, than if I were flashing my headlights
or tailgating said driver.  Just my $0.02....


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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:21:42 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1ina6oINN66j@sumax.seattleu.edu> daveike@sumax.seattleu.edu (Eickerman) writes:
/Walter Bright writes:
/>If you've ever tried to pass cars when you have a '68 Volkswagen Bus, you
/>know what I mean! A courteous passee would tap the brakes when being passed
/>by an underpowered car in order to help him get around.
/Is it possible to pass someone in a '68 Bus?  ;)

Yes. The bus has a top speed of 65, attained only very gradually. So, the
trick to passing is to plan ahead:
o	Estimate when the car in front will round a curve, exposing an
	opportunity to pass.
o	Back off about 1/8 mile from the car in front.
o`	Floor the bus.
o	If your timing is right, you will come up on the leading car's rear
	bumper just as he rounds the curve.
o	If traffic ahead is clear, pull out and go around, you hopefully
	have a >10mph relative advantage.
o	If traffic ahead is not clear, brake hard, and try again later.

Newsgroups: seattle.general,alt.activism
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:53:09 GMT

In <1559@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:

:In article <1389@brat.wa.com> donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:
:/fuck the hyped up idiots who feel tailgating is incentive enought to get me
:/to break the law and get a ticket because I'm the one in front who
:/gets busted by the radar (happened on my last ticket).

:Tailgating in preparation to pass on a 2 lane road is the safest way as it
:minimizes the distance you need in the left lane. I hope there is a
:distinction between doing that and tailgating merely to annoy the car
:in front.

WRONG!  Getting close to the car limits you to the speed of the
car in front.  The best/safest way is to drop back before you get
to the passing area, the start accelerating to build speed before
moving out into the left lane.  You may well have to back off
if the road isn't clear to pass, but this will minimize the
passing distance.

:If you've ever tried to pass cars when you have a '68 Volkswagen Bus, you
:know what I mean! A courteous passee would tap the brakes when being passed
:by an underpowered car in order to help him get around.

Old VW drivers all know that what goes down must go back up again :-).

Bill
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From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:01:10 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <C0EJtA.2Hu@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall) writes:
:
:Well, *blush*, I admit it. I like to drive 55 just to piss people off. That's
:right, I'm the annoying SOB who actually _slows down_ when somebody is tail-
:gating me. (I like to keep a nice buffer so I can brake slow enough so the
:a$$hole doesn't mess up my tailpipe.) So, when is the next meeting of 55A?

I used to speed.  I used to get tickets.  I used to take 'em to
court.  Sometimes I would win and sometimes I would lose. But more
often I lose.  I lose becasue the odds are stacked against you in
court.  The judge is more likely to believe the cop than you,  period.
There is radar that is used incorrectly and now we have laser.

There is an answer and it is simple.

I go the posted speed, period.  I leave earlier, and if I'm late I
don't sweat it.  It's just not worth it.  My car gets poorer mileage,
my risk of accident is higher, my risk of injury is higher is I have
an accident, and my stress is higher when I speed.

It just aint worth it and (hit 'n' now if you have tender sensibilities):

fuck the hyped up idiots who feel tailgating is incentive enought to get me
to break the law and get a ticket because I'm the one in front who
gets busted by the radar (happened on my last ticket).

I'll ignore flames about what I did not write on this subject because
I can already see reactionaries coming out of the woodwork on this 
one.  

It's simple.  I don't break the law and I don't get a ticket.




         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

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From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:51:24 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red2.cac.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan5.011938.27671@beaver.cs.washington.edu> mckenzie@cs.washington.edu (Neil McKenzie) writes:
>In article <1iakisINNa9u@shelley.u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.215937.21551@beaver.cs.washington.edu> mckenzie@cs.washington.edu (Neil McKenzie) writes:
>>>
>>>Speed laws suck -- one shouldn't be penalized for driving fast on a dry
>>>road on a clear day with no traffic.
>>
>>Can I extrapolate from this, that you feel red lights and stop signs
>>optional depending upon your 'feel' for the road?
>>
>
>I stop at stop signs and red lights.  It's the same reason I drive slow in
[snip, snip]
>light traffic).  This is what I mean by "speed laws suck."  I don't
>see how this applies to stop signs.

Sorry if I touched a nerve.  I was just curious if there were others laws
you usually violate, and if so, are there usual times of the day when you
might more likely be on the road, so I can avoid such times?



Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: anderson@atc.boeing.com (Mike Anderson)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Reply-To: anderson@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:11:39 GMT


In article 4907@mdd.comm.mot.com, mccart@mdd.comm.mot.com (Gary McCartney) writes:
"  >"Why has no one mentioned that it is not only courteous to move over from the 
"  >"left lane, but it is now a law that you are only to be in the left lane to
"  >"pass?


Perhaps some of you who are dedicated to speeding can explain why you are so
insistent that the law regarding the use of the left lane be observed, and so
cavalier about breaking the law regarding maximum speed?  Is one of these laws
more significant than the other?

Mike Anderson
Newsgroups: seattle.general