HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.172725.27772@unislc.uucp> das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten) writes:
>The Great Harlequin (ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
>: About Circle of Iron again, did anyone like the bit about the mirrors?
>: 
>If you mean the composition of the book of knowledge...  then yes.
>
>The first time I saw the movie (about 10 years ago), I thought that part
>
>was a bit hokey.  However, since then, my attitudes about life have changed,
>
>and I agree with the sentiment, and when I saw it again about 3 months ago
>
>I thought it fit in well.
>
>
>Dave S.

My favorite part was the fact that he didn't nod appreciatively to the wis-
dom of the book -- he cracked up with laughter!  THAT is a well written scene.


Still ranting about the same film,
The Harlequin
From: shjnaga@ncsc.org (Rodney Shojinaga)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:15:09 GMT
Reply-To: shjnaga@ncsc.org (Rodney Shojinaga)
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center

Mr. NONAME from Dook (the name implies a real dog of a school ;-) writes:
>> It's really boring to read the same thing many times
 
First off, it was interesting to read all the different ways people had
of pronouncing the numbers.  Had you read the articles, you would have
come to a similar conclusion, but coming from Dook, you probably can't
read.

The only boring thing around here is you, you didn't have to pay any
attention to any of the articles, you could have just skipped over them,
but again, coming from Dook, I am sure you didn't know how to do that.

If I came from Dook, I wouldn't put my name on any articles either, I'd
be to ashamed to be associated with a "dog" school.
 
Why don't you just go back to mommie and daddie like a good little brat
that you are and forget about "reading" news groups.  There aren't very
many pictures for you to look at anyway.
 
    FFFFFFF   UU    UU   JJJJJJJJJ   IIIIIIII    Rodney R. Shojinaga
   FF        UU    UU       JJ         II        DoD #134
  FFFFFF    UU    UU       JJ         II         XS11 Midnight Special
 FF        UU    UU   JJ  JJ         II          Kyokushinkai Karate
FF        UUUUUUUU   JJJJJJ      IIIIIIII        North Carolina
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: YOU SHOULD TRY LLAP-Goch!
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:17:42 GMT
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Oct12.110808.7652@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>In article <5395@balrog.ctron.com> lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence) writes:
>>All you sissies are wasting your time with all those Oriental martial
>>arts, especially when I can teach you *LLAP-Goch: The Welsh Art of 
>>Self Defense!!!*
>>
>>What is LLAP-Goch, you ask? It is simply the most deadly form of secret
>>self-defense that has ever been devised anywhere in the world.
>
>>You will grow up to a FOOT TALLER. You will have 35" BICEPS, and the
>>women will beg to sleep with you.
>>
>
>... but what if I master LLAP-Goch, and I'm a heterosexual woman?

Well, to be absolutely correct you have to *mistress* LLAP-Goch...
but that belongs in another newsgroup.

BTW, Gary...don't you think you should have credited the
_National_Lampoon_ for that? I think the LLAP-Goch piece is
copyrighted.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Kimewaza - "Fact or fiction"
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  7 OCT 92 10:56:49    


So far, the scale seems to tip toward FICTION, at least with regard
to the background provided so far.  Certainly doesn't mean it doesn't
exist or that it isn't practiced by capable people, just that they
propose a suspicious historical background.

In article <5400@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) writes...
>Thanks for the reaction to my recent posting on Kimewaza (spelled it
>right this time).  I'm totally confused, if Kimewaza was simply
>developed here, why didn't our instructor tell us right away?  

>Here is some information our Kimewaza Sensei, Gudni Gudnason, gave to us:
>[Gudni did teach Kimewaza in Sweeden]
> 
>KIMEWAZA - SHINKEN SHOBU NO KATA
> 
>The true origin of martial-arts [?!], developed in India around 400 B.C.
>The art is divided into pure defense and pure attack, shield and sword.
>Today only the defense part is exercised.

So far, the art is the root form of all other martial arts, it was started in 
India in 400 B.C. went through China by way of monks, took on a Japanese name 
and now is found as far as you know only in Iceland, Sweden, Paris,
and somewhere in Eastern-Europe, still being taught as it was originally
except that only the defensive applications are retained.  It is also known as 
White Dragon Kung-Fu.   Is that a fair summary ?   

Sounds suspiciously like a simple variation on the generic 'history of the 
Asian Martial Arts' told in every paperback, except that they are apparently 
claiming to have retained the technical basis all the way back to the B.C. 
era.  

Be interesting to see the style family tree back to 400 B.C., or even
back to the 'monks.'

>He told us that there was a reference to Kimewaza in a book called:
>JUDO [..how many books are there by this title..:)] by R. Bowen and
>H.M. Hodkinson.  Does anyone have this book?

Depending on whether the book refers to the Kime-waza aspect of Judo,
or a separate art called 'Kimewaza,' this might add a trace of
support if we can find it.    

Where did your instructor learn this art ?
Can he trace the lineage directly to anwhere in Asia or India ?

								kind regards,

								todd
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Todd I. Stark				  stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com |
| Digital Equipment Corporation		             (215) 354-1273 |
| VAX/VMS Software Support, Blue Bell, Pa.                          |
|    'Reason is no substitute for Passion, nor Passion for Reason.' |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: needed info on ESI
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  9 OCT 92 09:49:50    


<92282.174848RMT109@psuvm.psu.edu>, <RMT109@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>     I didn't know which news group to turn this posting at so I decided I'd
>put it in the two groups that come close to the subject I'm asking about.
>     I'm sure plenty a martial artists and gun enthusiasts have seen ads on
>ESI ( Executive Security International ) I've planned on signing up for their
>programs in the spring of '93.  I have their course cataglog but I was
>wondering if anyone has any more info about them or any personal experiences.
>You can reply through Netnews or contact me through E-mail to :
>                          RMT109@psuvm.psu.edu
>          Speedy replies will be greatly appreciated.

I only have knowledge of them through observation, reading their manuals and 
second hand reports from people who have gone through some of their programs, 
I haven't taken any of their courses myself, but the responses
and my impression were all positive overall.   

Tends to be physically very demanding, especially
the courses involving hand-to-hand work.  

The martial arts part was put together by 'Hwarang-Do' stylist Bob Duggan, 
and it is a little crude by martial arts standards, but very effective (tends 
to use, maybe over-use body weight a lot to slam people down).   In other
words, he will often stress something akin to a sacrifice version of a
joint-lock-throw, even though the set-up is less than perfect.   Makes
an interesting set of 'low-maintenance' skills.
Seems to fit in fine with the purpose for which it is intended.  The
weapons disarms make sense to me for the most part, and they are presented
very well.

I don't know enough about firearm tactics to comment on that section of the 
material, but it seemed expertly conducted in general.
The section on observational psychology was pretty standard fare.  Recognizing
common indicators of potential threats, remembering distinguishing features
by general type, that sort of thing.   Very useful, especially if you have 
no prior training in it.

That's about all I know.  I hope you get a lot out of it.

							kind regards,
								todd
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Todd I. Stark				  stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com |
| Digital Equipment Corporation		             (215) 354-1273 |
| VAX/VMS Software Support, Blue Bell, Pa.                          |
|    'Reason is no substitute for Passion, nor Passion for Reason.' |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dad1@Jazz.CC.MsState.Edu (Daniel Doss)
Subject: Hapkido seminar with Grandmaster Kwang Sik Myung
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:30:39 GMT






		The Yon Moo Kwan Hapkido Club
 			Invites you to 
			   attend a

		   HAPKIDO TRAINING CLINIC

			  featuring

      		Hapkido Grandmaster Kwang Sik Myung




	Grandmaster Kwang Sik Myung was a direct student of
Hapkido founder Yong S. Choi.  A native of Seoul, Korea, Grandmaster
Myung has been studying and teaching Hapkido for over 40 years.  

	He is president and founder of the World Hapkido Federation,
the largest Hapkido organization in the world.  Grandmaster Myung
is world renowned for his books, videos, and clinics on the martial
art of Hapkido.



CLASS TOPICS:  				Hapkido philosophy, Pressure
					point control techniques, how
					to integrate Hapkido with your
					own training.

LOCATION:				The North Mississippi Wellness
					Center located at 1030 South
					Madison in Tupelo, MS.

DATE:					Session One:  Saturday, October
					10,  1992.  Time is 10:00 A.M.
					through 3:00 P.M.

					Session Two:  Sunday, October 11,
					1992.  Time is 1:00 P.M. until 4:00
					P.M.  

FEES:

		Session One:  $40.00 if paid before October 1, 1992.
			      $50.00 at the door.
		
		Session Two:  $25.00 if paid before October 1, 1992.
			      $40.00 at the door.



For more information, contact:


		Master Lonnie W. Oaks
		Yon Moo Kwan Hapkido Club
		P.O. Box 205
		Tupelo, MS 38803
		United States of America



Phone:

		(601) - 842 - 6145  





--
* "Why don't you come with me,	|  Daniel A. Doss		*
*  little girl, on a magic	|  dad1@Ra.MsState.Edu		*
*  carpet ride?" 		|  Computer Sci. Major          * 
*		-Steppenwolf	|  Mississippi State University *
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 4 Elements in Ninpo/Ninjutsu traditions ?
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:41:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: elvis.BSIMON.92Oct16074119
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.

> Did he or his teacher Dr. Hatsumi make up the scheme or is it unique
> to Hatsumi's inherited tradition, or is their 4 element scheme
> legitimately found somewhere in the roots of Ninjutsu, from Chinese or
> Indian philosophy somewhere ?

There is a four element system in Buddhism. The four elements are the
same as in Greek thought: earth, air, fire, and water. Sometimes space
is added as a fifth element. Buddhist philosophy (abhidharma) teaches
that all four elements are present in every object and that earth
represents its solidity, water its cohesion, fire its warmth, and air
its motion.

--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		similia similibus curentur
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: White vs. Black Dragon Kung Fu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:07:02 GMT

In article <marcogan-121092141132@150.203.102.25> marcogan@student.anu.edu.au (Mark Cogan) writes:
>In article <5408@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) wrote: 
>>[prev comments from Eldark deleted]
>'Black dragon' in Chinese is something like 'Hong Long" (mandarin)
>'White Dragon' is something like 'Bei Long' (mandarin) or 'Bai
>Lung'(cantonese)
I speak cantonese, and the way I would say it is something
like "hark loang" and "bak loang".  Maybe the spelling diff is
due to your aussie accent or my canadian accent? :)

>The word for 'dragon' in Japanese is (I think) 'Tatsu'.
There are umpteen (at least 2 anyways) ways of pronouning
a Japanese word a Kanji anyways. Another way is "ryu", not
sure if thats a long u or not. A "common" japanese name
is "ryuichi", means 1st dragon, as it implies is a males'
name.   
 

>> - It is VERY hard to trace the lineage of Kimewaza, it seems to have
>My, that sounds convenient, doesn't it...
Yes, seems that way to me.

>Which four elements? The Classical four-element system
>(earth,air,fire,water) is Greek; the Chinese and Japanese use five-element
>systems (earth, wood, metal, fire, water). 
>
>Not many things in chinese martial arts are based on the number four.
Yes, thats a good point which I've forgotten about.  Traditional
chinese superstition has it that the number 4 is bad luck, like
the number 13 is bad luck in western culture. 

>Three, five (five elements, five Shaolin animals), seven, eight (eight
>trigrams), nine (three times three), twelve (twelve Hsing-I animals), and
>various multiples of eight and nine (e.g, 64 movements in some Pa Kua
Yes, Pa Kau, means 8 "something or rather", and 8x8=64! conincidence?!
I think not! :)

>The history sounds like manure to me. Firstly, the four-element system is a
>European thing, not a Chinese (or even Indian) thing. Second, the black-
>versus- white divergence seems very hokey and Hollywood. I'm pretty sure
>that the Chinese (and perhaps the Japanese as well) do not associate white
>with 'good' and black with 'evil'. Third, you are yet to mention any actual
In some context it is, in some it isnt. For instance it is opposite
of western cultures.  ie) in traditional funerals chinese wear white, while
western as we all know wear black.


RT
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.tv
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.173524.1264@unislc.uucp> das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten) writes:
>Randy_A_Winney@cup.portal.com wrote:
>: Why would anyone interested in martial arts want to watch that piece of
>: crap? I remember reading an interview with David Carradine in which he
>: said he had never had any real martial arts training and was high on
>: LSD most of the time they were shooting that series...
>
>It's true that he didn't have much training before he signed for the part,
>but he became very interested and received alot of one-on-one instruction
>during the filming, and afterwards.

I believe Randy was referring to Carradine's "Playboy" interview from
the early 1970s.  He was very flippant, talking about the philosophy
of the tv show as stupid cliches and discussing his big plans for the
future (which didn't work out, obviously).  After he failed in his 
success, he came back to the arts as a parasite, doing only as much
as he needed to in order to keep the paychecks coming in.  And his
latest book effort does not reflect 20 years of experience; to my
mind, he could have done the same book after a year of research back
in the 1970s.

>  And the actual ability of the star
>doesn't seem to be as important as the ability of the fight choreographer
>in an MA-related film (assuming a reasonable level of fitness, flexibility,
>and ability to learn physical skills in the performers).

I would strongly disagree.  If ability doesn't matter, then why
haven't we had another Bruce Lee?  There are plenty of body-builders
out there, and lots who would have loved to fill his shoes.  And there
are certainly enough choreographers out there, including the famous
Benny Urquidez, who's been in the movie biz since "Force Five" way
back when.  Chuck Norris has lots of training, and certainly knows
the moves, but he is not a great actor.  Steven Seagal has all the
makings of a star (skill, acting ability, etc.) but he never listens
to the folks in the business.  Jean Claude Van Damme is probably the
closest to your "puppet" theory of stardom, but we all know as 
martial artists that he is not very innovative on the screen (good
bod, good smile, but not clever like Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee).

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu Masters
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:59:01 GMT

In article <MARY.92Oct14220351@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>   First a little background, in the late 1940's four promanent master 
>   flead China and went to Korea. 
>
>Out of curiosity, why on earth did they flee China for Korea at that 
>particular point in history?  From what I've heard, at that point most
>migration was in the other direction (i.e., away from the Japanese, who
>had very much indeed occupied Korea, and into China, where they were 
>more thinly spread).

In the late 40's Japan was very much defeated. In China the Communists had
taken over... Good reason enough to flee. 


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Chinese swords and Burt Richardson
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:38:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.221028.11379@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> achew@nyx.cs.du.edu (alvin chew) writes:
>
>I recently bought a Lungchuan straight sword from Beijing Imports in
>Texas. I know nothing about caring for swords so, I have a few questions
>that I hope someone can answer.  First of all, what's the best way to
>clean the sword? (It's not stainless steel). I understand that the sword
>is supposed to be oiled when not being used for a while (to prevent
>rusting). What sort of oil should I use and what's the best way to apply 
>it to the blade? And finally, if the sword does start to rust, how do I
>clean it off?

	Oil: Clove oil is proper.  Light machine oil *can* be used, but it
	may possibly cause surface oxidation, depending on the type of oil
	used.  The only oil of this type that I would use is a special oil
	made specifically for lubricating delicate instruments like inertial
	guidance mechanisms.  Rather expensive and I'd bet that clove oil
	*still* does a better job.

	Application: soft cotton cloth is OK, or silk if you're rich.  Don't
	use fabrics like linen as they have significant "tooth" and will
	scratch the surface, the results of which will show up after repeated
	cleanings.  Not disastrous, but just as easily avoided.

	Rust: if you maintain the blade properly, this is not likely to happen.
	If it does in any event and the rust is superficial, water, detergent,
	and #6/0 (super extra fine) steel wool will probably do the trick.
	Rinse the blade FREQUENTLY as the rust that is broken loos by the
	wool is an abrasive (witness crocus cloth) and will scratch the
	surface significantly.  After removing all red iron oxide, chances are
	that there will be a layer of blach iron oxide beneath it that will
	appera as a stain on the blade.  This can be left alone as is or it
	can be removed.  The best way to remove it is to have an unsewn muslin
	buff mounted on an electric motor and charged with rouge (a very fine
	iron oxide polishing compound).  Lightly touch the blade to the wheel
	for a second or two at a time.  The stain should disappear relatively
	quickly unless the rust was deep and the blade has actually pitted.

	ALWAYS wear safety glasses when doing such operation and feed the blade
	into the buff such that it does not grab the blade out of you hand and 
	either fling it across the room or worse yet, back into your kisser.


	-Andy V.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin)
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:33:31 GMT

In article <MARY.92Oct6161606@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct6.184823.25300@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin) writes:
>
>   Actually, I whole-heartedly approve of interschool competition.  What about the
>   rest of you?
>
>What kind of interschool competition?  You mean tournaments?  Or (hi 
>there, Steve) "dojo arashi"?  ;-)

I don't know what dojo arashi means (but I'm willing to learn), but the com- 
petition I'm talking about is actual aggressive (but sportsmanlike) tastes for
victory beaten into a pro-dojo patriotic frenzy and directed an another school.

Instructors from different schools should meet and decide on established
rivalries (which are FAR TOO RARE now) to build strong fighting spirit.
From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kimwaza - Black Dragon Kung Fu
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:53:47 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Oct13.112654.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>I don't know if this will help, but I recently came across some info
>relating to the white dragon/black dragon kung-fu debate.  This may
>be irrelevant, but here goes:
>
>November 1992 issue of Black Belt Magazine:
>
>Panther Productions Training Videos
>
>Black Dragon
>
>Chinese Goju by 10th Dan Master Ron Van Clief.  Learn Master Van
>Clief's Chinese Goju System with these great tapes:
>
>1.  Way Of The Black Dragon


 Ummm, no. 'Black Dragon' is Van Cliefs nickname.
-- 
Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
APSU Dept of Math and CS| Then you are probably better than most people!
Clarksville TN          | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW
home phone 615 645 8938 | WORLD?  from _The book of the SubGenius_
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Isshiryu Katas
From: Chris Hoffman <CXH181@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:34:29 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

Check Blackbelt Magazine.  Also there are books on Isshiryu Katas and videos.
Sorry, but I can't give you specifics as to where to find them.
From: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Radio Communications in the DOJO
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:26:43 GMT
Organization: loral western development labs

Does anybody elses, studio have radio communications in there Dojos?

Last night I went to my usual Thursday night TKD work-out. As I was
looking around I notice that all of the instructors and assistant instruc-
tors had on head phones! What the heck is this, maybe they're recording
the class to use in some demo?   Wrong, as class began, it was clear that
they were talking to someone through the microphone. 

As training continued it became very annoying, the instructor was talking 
to the manager of the studio. You could see the manager standing on a table
looking thru the window blinds in her office on the other side room trying 
to be inconspicuous. 

What was annoying, was the instructor was constantly adjusting the radio
unit, talking to the manager, and trying to teach a class. He was making 
corrections to the student and talking to the manager at the same time.
The students were trying very hard to follow the instructor's commands. 
It became very difficult to decipher what was a command and what was a 
reply to what ever a manager was saying. 

Seeing the manager's silhouette thru the window standing on a table looked
very stupid.

Our studio is a little bigger than most of the local Dojos but it's not that big!
If you put 25-30 students in the class it becomes very crowded.

This studio is becoming more and more trendy! what happened to just plain training?

Any South Bay studios need a new student?

Tim 
The above views I came up with all on my own!