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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:32:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.170656.12594@rei.com> fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>I find myself agreeing with Mr. Lawrence's position.  Assuming that
>c.a.m.a is for upload announcements, what is the purpose of c.a.m.a.d?
>
>It should *not* be for the discussion of the programs uploaded to those
>sites, because then it will be the equivalent of the current
>c.b.i.p.archives.

No, because it would _not_ carry the incessant metadiscussions that
we've seen for years in cbip.archives.  I'm for anything that will
obviate the incessant posted artiucles about off-charter posted
articles.

I welcome c.a.m.a on its own merits, because the moderators would be the
folks who originate ths useful announcements on cbip.archives now.
c.a.m.a.d is needed, because where else do we report bugs?
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Summary: Agree
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:49:55 GMT
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY


I didn't see my Friday post this Monday afternoon, so I'll summarize.

I agree with the two groups:
rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
rec.arts.marching.misc

The arts hierarchy is absolutely correct, no matter how much traffic we someday generate.
"Pageantry" is a better word than "marching", but not as recognizable, so stick with "marching".

Drum corps discussions should be separated from the rest of the discussions.  I may or may
not choose to participate in drum corps discussions, but I would like a marching discussion
group that does not have to deal with people who hate bands, people who are only trying to
locate alumni, etc.

Tammy Blandino writes, "The idea is to create one group which would cover those artistic
endeavors related to marching."  You mean discussions like, a ranking of DCI finals sites
based on the location of the souvie stands?  I say that alt.drumcorps does not reflect
Tammy's idea.  There's too much superfluous baloney in there, so give drum corps its own
group, and give the rest of the world a chance to ignore it.

Gary
Gocek.Henr801c@Xerox.COM
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Subject: Re: model united nations newsgroup
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:28:58 GMT

In article <92287.214811F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET> F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>MMr. Uy in a previous post stated that there was no support for the talk.
>  politics.model-un.  I must disagree with you.  Several people already have co
>tacted me about this.  One guy even posted to edvertise for a Model UN out in t
>e University of Nebraska.  An alt. group would not work.  The Model UN is a wor
>d  wide phenomenon, thus requiring a world wide newsgroup.  Alt. would be too l
>mited.
>         Matt

Yes, I have to agree.  I know several people, actually maybe more than
a dozen people who are very interested in the model-un newsgroup,
plus possibly in addition to that a world-gov and a world-unity
newgroup as well (I propose the latter two).  I believe Matt has
expressed support for these groups as well (someone here did).

A lot of people who would like to use these new groups don't happen
to read this one in order to voice support.  I suggest opening the
question up to a vote (for all three newsgroups) and posting to
talk.politics.* and alt.politics.* as well as alt.activism...

----Rob Reinhardt (breinhar@access.digex.com)


Newsgroups: news.groups
From: bhathena@ug.cs.dal.ca (Firdaus B Bhathena)
Subject: soc.religion.zoroastrian
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:54:47 GMT



		I want to propose a new newgroup which could

		be entitled:

			soc.religion.zoroastrian

		I, myself, am a Zoroastrian once a strong but now

		a dying religion. We number just over 100000

		worldwide. I have met other Zoroastrians on

		soc.culture.indian and we have talked about having

		a newsgroup just between us to talk about issues

		concerning our society globally. 

		After my last posting I received numerous reply

		for the group. This is one reason why I modified

		the name of the group.


		For further information on Zoroastrianism please
		feel free to mail me.


---------


		Regards,

		Firdaus Bhathena.

		Email:
		       bhathena@ac.dal.ca
		       bhathena@ug.cs.dal.ca
From: sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Cual es la razon?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:57:18 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

[ Article crossposted from chile.grupos ]
[ Author was Sergio L Aponte ]
[ Posted on 8 Oct 92 21:54:45 GMT ]

	Me interesa saber cual es la logica que indica que establecer estos
	grupos es apropiado...

	1) Si existe logica para decir que los grupos tienen una razon de
	existir, lo mismo se puede decir de panama.*, china.*, etc, etc...

	2) El USENET esta repartido en temas, no nacinalidades. El que quiere
	saber de futboll, puede leer el grupo de futboll y ver articulos de
	todo el mundo.

	3) Idioma? Nadie dice que no puedes postear en el idioma que te de la
	gana en el grupo que te de la gana...

	4) Tambien existe la possibilidad de controlar tu distribuicion, para
	que articulos de interest nacinal sean distribuidos en esa nacion
	solamente, aunque a mi me encanta ver articulos de todo el muno.

	Mi punto es : my newsrc reporta alrededor de 1900 newsgroups genericos.
	Si ahora Chile quiere esos 1900 temas pero en "chile.", depues panama
	quiere esos 1900 temas en "panama.", china en "china.", etc... Donde
	vamos a llegar?

	BTW, yo no estoy de acuerdo con los "us." grupos tampoco!

--
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From: chetan@imtech.ernet.in (Chetan Premani)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: current newsgroups file needed
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:37:27 +0530
Distribution: world
Organization: Inst. of Microbial Technology, Chandigarh, India

In article <1992Oct12.232947.6448@src4src.linet.org>, 
			joeb@src4src.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
> I've been watching this newsgroup religiously for about a week now
> hoping to catch the monthly posting.

"Religiously", is the operative word; for if one does it "rationally" or
"scientifically", one ought to wait a little more than one month to catch
a monthly posting. :-) 

-- 
Chetan Premani                      Phone/FAX: +91 172 44252
Institute of Microbial Technology   Email: chetan@imtech.ernet.in
P O Box 1304, Sector 39A            UUCP:
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: ppoblete@tortel.dcc.uchile.cl (Patricio Poblete)
Subject: Re: Cual es la razon?
Originator: ppoblete@tortel
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:37:06 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

In article <1992Oct8.215718.7210@pony.Ingres.COM> sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte) writes:
>[ Article crossposted from chile.grupos ]
>[ Author was Sergio L Aponte ]
>[ Posted on 8 Oct 92 21:54:45 GMT ]
>
>	Me interesa saber cual es la logica que indica que establecer estos
>	grupos es apropiado...
>

I seem to have missed the original article of this thread, but I am not
sure it is appropriate to discuss in news.groups about the creation of
groups under the "chile.*" hierarchy.

I believe "chile" is an "alternative" hierarchy, not a Usenet one.

This hierarchy has existed for some time, as a local one in Chile, but
when some people abroad expressed interest in receiving it, it was "exported".

                        __			ppoblete@dcc.uchile.CL
  _   _   _   /   / _   / _			Patricio Poblete
 /_) /_) (_) /_) / (-' / (-'			Dept. of Computer Science
/   / 						University of Chile
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:26:30 GMT

In <CKD.92Oct11154816@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:

>Dave> == Dave Ratcliffe <dave@frackit.UUCP> 

> Dave> And, it's equally bad manners to assume everyone reading news on
> Dave> a Unix box automatically HAS killfiles. They don't always. Bnews
> Dave> runs on Unix and does NOT support killfiles.

>Neither does C news.  Neither does INN.  They're not newsreaders (though
>B and C come with "readnews" as I recall).  "Get a better newsreader"
>still applies, more so because there are so many free ones for Unix.

I agree.  If news isn't important enough to someone for them to a)
find a better newsreader program on the net and ask their sys-admin to
install it (a better newsreader being defined as one that supports
kill files and/or subject sorting and/or threading and/or selection of
articles before reading), b) find one and install it for themselves,
c) write such a newsreader if none exists for their system, d) find
and/or pay someone else to write one if they don't have the time or
skill, or e) find and/or pay for access on another site which supports
a better reader, then it isn't important enough to them for us to pay
attention to their complaints.

-- 
Michael A Stoodt  [MaS]      |        mumble mumble disclaimer mumble...
stoodt@cis.umassd.edu        | "Will the last person to leave the planet
Comp&InfoSci, UMassDartmouth |  please turn off the sun?" - Mike Resnick
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.windows reorganization
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.224905.5776@ais.com> bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright) writes:
> Unfortunately moving things like X to a .gui hierarchy is _also_ going
> to cause problems for those new (and clueless) people looking for
> information on X.

comp.gui.x-windows.*?

> I don't think any amount of reorganization is going to remove the
> problem of irrelevant cross-posting;

Irrelevant cross-posting isn't the problem. Most of the messages in question
are only posted to comp.windows.misc. Crossposting is easy to deal with:
just add "/ms-windows/h:j" to your kill file.

> I'd say leave well enough alone, things are in enough of a state of
> chaos as it is without enhancing it.

Generally when people say "leave well enough alone" they mean "things are
pretty much working as they are". In this case, they're not working, and
we're trying to deal with the chaos.

> The problem could probably be
> reduced by having more frequent postings about what the various
> comp.os.ms-windows.* and comp.windows.* newsgroups _are_,

I assume you're volunteering to do this? We tried that already, you know.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                         `-_-'
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.                              'U` 
Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012           "Heeft u vandaag al uw wolf geknuffeld?"
+1 713 274 5180                       "Tjener, denne ret er stadig levende."
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Proposal : talk.politics.model-un
From: <F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 22:02:13 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

    Hi - Putting a proposal out for the creation of a Model UN newsgroup.
    The Model UN is an international phenomenon whereby groups of
    grammar, high school and college students get together to simulate
    the UN in an academic and intellectual environment.  The conferences
    usually take place over a weekend after months of preparation.  This
    newsgroup will facilitate the exchange of information and ideas
    between and among Model UNers around the world.  Your support in
    setting this up would be greatly appreciated.

                                   Chill in Peace -
                                   Matt in NYC






Xref: sparky news.groups:19101 chile.grupos:18
Newsgroups: news.groups,chile.grupos
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: Cual es la razon?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:22:21 GMT

chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:

>According to ppoblete@tortel.dcc.uchile.cl (Patricio Poblete):
>>I am not sure it is appropriate to discuss in news.groups about the
>>creation of groups under the "chile.*" hierarchy.

>Where else but news.* can we discuss the creation of a new hierarchy,
>anyway?

How about chile.news.*, if the hierarchy is going to be under the chile
hierarchy, why bother the rest of the world? Then again, where do we
discuss the creation of chile.news.*? mmmh... I wonder how other people
resolve this. For example, where do the germans discuss whether to create a
de.? group?, not that I care, I guess the point is that nobody but the
germans should be involved in the discussion.

Javier.



Newsgroups: news.groups
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:23:52 GMT

In article <1b52hfINNepe@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
> Obviously we also have
> PC-Clone unix look-alike groups in comp.unix.* as well, such as 
> comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit and .16bit.

Um, as Weinberger would say, that is an inoperative statement. The clone in
the name refers to the hardware, not the software.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                         `-_-'
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.                              'U` 
Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012           "Heeft u vandaag al uw wolf geknuffeld?"
+1 713 274 5180                       "Tjener, denne ret er stadig levende."
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.crafts.metalworking
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:55:18 EDT


This is a group that, IMHO has been long-needed. A good portion
of traffic on rec.crafts.misc has to do with either jewelry making,
metal casting or soldering techniques for stained glass. Clearly these
belong in a metalworking group- As it is now, the uninformed user
would have no idea whether to look in rec.crafts.misc or rec.woodworking or
even somethin such as rec.autos.tech or rec.model.railroads for topics
involving what whot clearly be in a metalwroking group.

 art work, such as bronze castings and sculptures;
Well!!!!  What about art work, such as welded sculptures or 
silver or tin castings???



Newsgroups: news.groups
From: bourland@roentgen.radonc (Dan Bourland)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.autos.offroad
Reply-To: bourland@roentgen.radonc
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Div. of Radiation Oncology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:51:25 GMT


I am Yes for creating such a group.  However, I would prefer
the name rec.autos.4wd to rec.autos.offroad.  While 4wd
vehicles are often used offroad, I don't use mine that way
and I think that title would suggest a more narrow scope.
I see this group as a place to exchange techincal info and
etc. concerning 4wd trucks and cars.  Thus, rec.autos.4wd.
-------------------------------------------------------------
J. Daniel Bourland, PhD	      
Div. of Radiation Oncology
Mayo Clinic, Desk R 
Rochester, MN 55905            
(507) 284-3551                  Internet:   bourland@mayo.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.quaker
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:53:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:
> I wish I could have posted an objection to this sooner, but I was out
> of town and have been under a heavy work load since my return.  In any
> event, I object to soc.religion.quaker as an unmoderated group and
> have voted that way.  I believe that unmoderated religion groups
> should go in talk.religion and those in soc.religion should be
> moderated.  In my discussions with the proposer I was not led to any
> enlightment as to why that was unacceptable.  (Indeed, it never seemed
> to be addressed in reply to my comments to this effect.)

I think soc.religion.* has wider distribution than talk.*, but I don't
know for sure.  Besides namespace and feared low s/n I didn't
hear why unmoderated was unacceptable.  What happens if the
moderator gets hit by a truck?  And the next moderator is a
fuzzy logic?  NO CHIEFS should have been in the constitution, although
then there wouldn't be a president or any pork bellies.

How do people speak their minds if there exists the fear
of censorship?     Having multiple moderators is worse 'cause
then they gang up (not to mention the dreaded diffusion 
of responsibility, where nameless forces place your post into
the BITbUCKET!!!  aughhhh!.

> Even if in the very particular case of the soc.religion.quaker group
> it might be a reasonably unmoderated group in soc.religion, it blurs
> the distinction regarding why anyone would have ever have a
> talk.religion group and makes future namespace guidance in this area
> more difficult.  Though this one might not end up being a volatile,
> flame-filled forum (in large part because of Quaker values), religious
> groups are not commonly like that and the distinction between
> talk.religion, unmoderated, and soc.religion, moderated, was made a
> long time ago to reflect the lower signal to noise ratio of the talk
> hierarchy.
>
How do you decide what the s/n ratio is going to be beforehand?
I would have this group be soc.culture.quaker too, are those
moderated?   

What is signal to noise anyway?  How do you decide what is
signal and what is noise when dealing with inspiration?

-this is not a test :)-


-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet
From: root@sound.cts.com (sound - root manager)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:43:34 GMT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
> 	I'm totally in favor of such a group. 
> (funny, I always was taught that an open, inquiring, mind was the mark of a
> scientist - obviously that isn't always the case).
> 
> 	I see no reason that either soc.medicine.alternative or
> alt.medicine.alternative would not be appropriate.

I would agree either alt.med.xxxxx or soc.med.xxxxx . I would prefer alt 
I think. But I would really like to make sure that all the different 
groups come under one heading, not some in alt.med and some in soc.med.
> 
> 	Given the demonstration of unbiased communications those with a
> scientific orientation have displayed thus far, however, it may need to be a
> moderated group to permit unbiased discussions to take place.

You may have a point about it needing to be moderated, but then again, I 
would that the discord in sci.med that this people would not even read 
the new groups.
>             The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised
>       over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to
>       prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is
>       not a sufficient warrant.                         John Stuart Mill
>                        -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=-
>           Rick Adams -=*=- adamsr@ais.org -=*=- adamsr@norwich.bitnet

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From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Proposal : talk.politics.model-un
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:41:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I think it would be cool if people from the different
soc.culture.* groups could get together a table
to participate in a model un.  Maybe really smart people
and real live peacemakers could practice up here.
NintendoLink might help this one when interest lags.


-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet
From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: model united nations newsgroup
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:34:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I would participate in a model UN.  I don't
know what country I could be though, or
if there will be a security council, etc.

I would like to be a non governmental 
organization (alt.*).

ZZ

-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet
From: hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.mecha
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:08:58 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Kudos!  An excellent plan and an excellent name for the group.  In light of the
recent Robotech vs. Battletech discussion, limiting the group to just btech would
be a waste.  I sincerely hope this gets implemented soon.

-- 
"I can't believe I had the Anti!"
Howard_Ship@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: coercion and Usenet
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:37:59 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya):
>According to emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti):
>>Monthly postings are a form of "coercion".
>
>Actually he is right.  FAQs (for instance, and I should know) are a bit
>coercive, but then so are roads ("drive here").  So are charters, so are
>Constitutions.  So is language.

With apologies to Douglas Adams, I reply: This must some new meaning
of the word `coercion' I wasn't previously aware of.

It is _not_ coercion to offer a path (roads, language) or information
(period postings).  It _is_ coercion to force [the closest synonym of
"coerce"] a person into taking that path.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
From: rich@Rice.edu (Richard Murphey)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Date: 10 Oct 92 07:10:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: kappa.RICH.92Oct10011038
Reply-To: Rich@rice.edu
Organization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Rice
	University

In article <2AD47812.6BF2@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
   According to dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E Wexelblat):
   >	Request For Discussion - comp.windows.x.i386unix, unmoderated

   What about the 486?

Since 386 CPU is a minimum requirement for most of the systems in the
proposal, I think it's an advantage to have a more concrete
specificaion.  There's no indication that minimum requirement will
change soon.  Even so, you have a good point.

   I'd suggest the name "comp.windows.x.pc-clone" instead, to avoid
   mentioning the 386 (the same reason why comp.unix.sysv386 has already
   been renamed to comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit, though the rmgroup message
   hasn't been issued yet).  Or maybe "comp.unix.pc-clone.x".

David proposes trafic exclusively about X, but on various unix
systems, so the comp.windows.x hierarchy seem more appropriate.

comp.windows.x.unix.pc-clone.32bit would fit the charter, but be a
little long.  What can we drop? clone? 32bit?


How about     comp.windows.x.pc-unix ?


I agree with the charter and have no objections to either name.  Rich