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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Crosscountry/Backcountry skiing [LONG]
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:08:54 GMT

In article <Bvv66H.JsE@mail.boi.hp.com>, smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
> Question: Is there really a a consensus that climbing is easier on skis that
> have a wax pocket? My experience is just the opposite. It seems to me that
> the wax pocket is only there to make the kick wax last longer. It actually
> hinders (very slightly) climbing by reducing the normal force on the snow
> at the wax pocket location.

I suppose it's a technique-y thing;  I climb hills with a hard step
(really mashing my foot into the ground) so I take advantage of it.
I actually think the camber is to make gliding easier, so the kick wax
doesn't interfere with the glide.

> How many double-cambered backcountry skis are being manufactured? The only
> one I know of is the Europa E99 (oops and one by Karhu). 

The Karhu is the XCD-GT.  There's also the Karhu Kodiak which is nearly
identical but has metal edges only on parts of the ski.  What I found
amusing on a hut trip last year was that out of the 20 or so pairs of
skis leaning against the porch, perhaps 16 were Fischer E99 or Karhu
XCD-GT.

> If I was carrying
> quite a bit of weight I might want double camber, the objective being to
> have a flat ski with pressure distributed beyond the foot region. (I see 
> my bias is showing here--by backcountry skis, I'm talking about metal-edged
> skis. There are certainly numerous touring skis with wax pockets.)

> I think the FAQ is a little unkind to skating. 

Hey, I left the cutesy stuff that Glen had in there already, and just
added some technical information.  Not meant to be a value judgement.
Anyway, I was just talking about skating skis and not skating technique,
although there will (probably) be a technique section to the XCFAQ as well.

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Subject: Re: Colorado Skier - Trivia 2 - Who gets the most!
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:54:17 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <122930190@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer) writes:
>In rec.skiing, jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade) writes:
>> ??????????  Who was the skier and what other ski flics has he appeared in?
>	I won't give away the answer so soon, but in the movie, he
>spends the whole year skiing. Snow in the winter and water in the
>summer. The best scene from the summer stuff was water skiing an
>irrigation ditch pulled by a pickup truck. Enjoyable movie, don't
>watch more than once.

Hmmm, Mat Molgat did this (waterskiing on one of the Ohau canals) in "The
Leading Edge," filmed in NZ a year or three ago.  Must be a different one.

>					-Shaw

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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: Re: Lodging question (Cortina vs. Villager) at KILLINGTON (good deal!)
Keywords: Killington Vermont lodging
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:46:16 GMT

jbaker%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (John Baker) writes:

>There is a Ski New England special available from the Washington/Baltimore
>area - 5 days for $397.

>I have decided to go to Killington and have a choice of lodging.  The two
>best places in the deal are the Cortina Inn, which is a luxurious inn about
>8 miles from the slopes, and the Villager which is walking distance from the
>lifts.  

>Has anyone stayed at either location, and if so, how did they like it?  ANY
>comments are welcome!

John
	I stayed at the Villager............it is a HEFTY walk.....
take the shuttle...........
	8 miles could be a real hassle on a weekend/holiday.......
	Stay in the Village.......

Jim


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From: ian@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Ian M Glazer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE How's the skiing
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:25:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

This is directed towards northern New England, so y'all in the rest of the country can type 'n' and move on.
	For those of you in NE, how's the skiing?  I don't trust the bs snow-phones.  Could someone e-mail a report of conditions at say Killington, Waterville, and maybe Loon?  Thanks in advance.  Until next time,

			Stay tuned,
			Ian Glazer

e-mail: ian@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
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From: pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Peter Hickey)
Subject: Re: Gatineau 55
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:20:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.212809.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> mnewton@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>Does anyone know the dates of next year's Gatineau 55 XC ski race in
>the Ottawa area? Info would be appreciated.
>
Its Sunday, Feb. 21 at 8:30 starting at the CGEP in Hull.  The cost is
$38 if before Jan 17.  There is also a 10K, 25K classic and 25K freestyle.
Phone: (819) 827-4641 Fax: (819) 827-3337.

Its a nice race through Gatineau Park.  Lots of hills.  About half
or the race is on very wide trails.

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:15:39 GMT

In article <LAUNCE.92Oct14163358@apollo.med.utah.edu>
launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>Nein! Nein! Es ist imperative zat purity of equipment and form be
>maintained zo zat ve can make fun of zose poor degenerate apostate
>fools on downhill gear!!

Wasn't downhill gear developed by the Alpine countries like Germany,
Swizterland, France and Austria?  Oh, sorry, wrong language, I don't know
Norwegin or any of the Nordic languages.

><bend ze kneez!  bend ze kneez!!>

Schnell!!	Schnell!!		Mach Schnell!!
Mach Schnell!!

>What's wrong with neon?  How you
>'spect to find someone in an avalanche wearing that damn earthtone
>wooly stuff? ;^)

With a beeper?  How about an avalanche cord?  Okay, the normal hasty
search on outer radius bends, etc. using my probe poles and looking for junk?
What do I get if I find you?  If I leave you?

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From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:12:50 GMT
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale, CA.
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klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499) writes:
: In article 92Oct15144154@hawk.is.morgan.com, steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:
: > If the outside ski is somewhat ahead
: > of the inside one, and you can slide a credit card under the inside
: > heel, it's telemarking
: 
: Not according to the race judges. :)  One second penalty! Which seems
: to verify Wayne's point. If the telemark were faster, they would
: penalize the telemark turn.. no?
: 
: The tip of the trailing ski must pass at least the midpoint between
: the tip of the ski and the front of the binding. At least in races.
: 
Telemark racing is to me one of the most perverse things in the sport.
On the one hand, tele skiers extol the virtues the turn's flexibility,
while on the other restrict themselves to a narrow and arbitrary
selection of them. Besides, after waiting at the bottom of the hill
for the lift, why also wait at the top?
--
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From: misra@ctp.com (Mark Israel)
Subject: NE Ski House/Condo at Sunday River
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:16:22 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners, Inc.
Keywords: Ski, House, Rental

I represent a group of 3 couples looking for a ski house or condo to rent for the
whole season at Sunday River.  We don't need to be on the mountain but would like
to be there or in Bethal.  I tried Sunday River`s 800 number but they could only
offer me a condo priced on there regular daily rates.  We would like to rent for
December through May but would consider year round (we mountain bike in the
summer).

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Mark Israel
Cambridge Technology Partners
misra@ctp.com
+1 617 374-8211
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From: sal@iti.org (Sascha A. Linn)
Subject: SNOWBOARD:  HELP ME PICK ONE
Summary: Help a novice pick a snowboard
Keywords: snowboard
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:17:56 GMT


Hi there,

I am planning on buying a board and boots this year and I am looking
for any information/help that youse people on the net can offer.

For starters, I am 6'2", 150lbs and regular footed.  I want to get
an all purpose (ie. freeriding) board.  This is basically because I
want to be able to carve and ride the pipe on the same board.  Now,
this is where it gets tricky; I want a board with inserts.  I know
that this eliminates a good 50%-60% of all boards but, I don't know
exactly what my stance is, as I am a relative beginner.  So, I need
the adjustability of inserts.  I also know that I want soft boots.

As for boards, I have been looking at Sims, Burton, Joyride, Nitro
and Mistral.  Any opinions on any of these would be welcome.  I am
tending to lean toward the Joyride or the Sims boards.  I would say
Burton but their new binding hole pattern both scares me and pisses
me off.  As for bindings, what are some good ones?  Before I forget,
please don't advise me to go out and try different boards, I live in
the midwest.  If that doesn't explain it then suffice it to say that
there is one shop within 1hrs drive that sells snowboards.  That
means that I'm pretty much stuck with mail order.  Which brings me
to my next question; What are some good shops that you have dealt
with and how do I get in touch with them? (Also who to talk to might
help)  Next up is boots.  What brand do you recommend?

If I have left anything out or you see any glaring errors that I am
about to make, please let me know as well.  However, I think I have
pretty much covered it.  I really appreciate any advice/help I
receive.

Thanx,
Sascha Linn :-)
sal@iti.org

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: MAN MADE SNOW
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:52:17 GMT

In article <1bkfjoINNddt@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> koichi@unixg.ubc.ca
(Koichi J Kishimoto) writes:
>I seem to recall reading something about using a ?bacteria? of some
>kind as the nucleus. It could be an urban legend. Does anyone know
>if this is/was the case?

Discussed last spring.  There was some worry about environment consequences
like skiing on sewage.  Other things are also under experimentation but
nothing under wide use.  Glen might ask the guys at Squaw about the latest
in snow making technology.

Snow condenses (technically subliminates) onto nuclei which are 1/10 the
size of nuclei rain condenses upon.  You can't just throw water into the air
and expect it to freeze into snow.  You only get ice.  That's why snow making
is so hard.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
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From: ptc8827@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: waxing/tuning
Reply-To: ptc8827@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:36:47 GMT

Does anybody out there know of a good guide to tuning up skis at home?

I know that this is a lame question, but I'm really tired of paying
inflated prices for this service.

Please help me.

		Thanks in advance,
			Paul


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade) writes:

> ?   Here's a piece of Ski Movie Trivia I happened to witness.
> 
> During the Spring of '90 at Berthoud Pass Warren Millers Crew shot for several
> days.  In one sequence a skier takes the 70ft cliff to the left of Rush Chute
> as you view it from below, during his descent something causes him to roll
> forward fully extended , he then tucks it into a flip and actually skiis
> out of it.  The shot was included in Warren Millers next movie (I think
> it was White Winter Heat).
> 
> ??????????  Who was the skier and what other ski flics has he appeared in?
> 
> Hint: In one of his movies a group of friends roams Colorado, Wyoming, etc
> for a winter on a borrowed credit card.

	I won't give away the answer so soon, but in the movie, he
spends the whole year skiing. Snow in the winter and water in the
summer. The best scene from the summer stuff was water skiing an
irrigation ditch pulled by a pickup truck. Enjoyable movie, don't
watch more than once.
					-Shaw
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:15:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <LAUNCE.92Oct14163358@apollo.med.utah.edu> launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>
>
>If I wanted that, I'da gotten a randonnee outfit. Or stayed with the
>Alpine gear, of course.  Tho' when the going gets icy or waay steep, I
>*do* revert to parallel turns.

This brings to mind a question.  Now don't get the wrong idea.  Perhaps
unlike some previous queries, this is a legitimate, non-malicious question.

Is there an advantage of some sort for dropping into that silly telemark
position?  I mean, I've tried it because thats the way everybody says
you're supposed to turn on free heal skis, and I can even sort of turn that
way.  But, like you, when the going gets tough I revert to paralleling.
After all, at that point my safety is at sake.  I'm not going to mess
around trying to look like some kind of yodeling, wool-knicker-wearing,
volkswagon-driving fool when I'm in the midst of a serious acceleration
problem.  No sir!  I lay those boards side by side and like Chuck Yeager,
I pull out of it!  Then after the addrenaline stops, I revert to proper
imitation of the accepted beautiful-looking style.

But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an advantage?

If you answer this question, then maybe I'll leave you alone, grab
my spinning rod, and go harrass the fly-fishing purists over in
rec.outdoors.fishing.  (But no promises.)

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Innovative Pricing
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:20:58 GMT

In article AA18995@bangalore.esf.de, tholome@bangalore.esf.de (Eric Tholome) writes:
>I thought I'd let you know that some ski resorts, in France (e.g. Chamrousse)
>have a very attractive pricing system:
>
>They will sell you an all-day-all-you-can-ski pass. But if you buy it after the
>opening hour and/or return it before the closing hour, you get a proportional
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>Finally, I should make clear that in fact it isn't really proportional: midday
>hours are a lot more expensive that first and last hours, but this is normal, I
>believe.
>
>Has anybody already experienced such a thing?
>
>						Eric
>
At Aspen Mtn, it used to be that, if you turned your ticket
in by noon, they would refund cash to the price of a half day
ticket.  I don't know if they are still doing it.

--Chris
From: jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu (JoJo was a man...)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Flyin' to Purgatory...
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:24:50 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Oct14.160119.16410@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
>Where would one fly to get close to Purgatory/Durango? I mean
>Denver/Santa Fe/Albequerque ?
	Durango.  You can fly to durango from Denver via Aspen Airways
(Scareways).  You can also get flights into Durango from Albuquerque.  Your
travel agent should be able to give you details.
>thanks,
>jim p.
>-- 
No Problem,
Joe Skaggs (ex-Purgatory local, now ski bummin' engineering student)


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From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Can I do it?
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:21:44 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Oct07.172702.24391@eng.umd.edu> naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima) writes:
>
>I have a friend who is willing to sell me his pair of skis w/
>bindings already mounted. The problem is that his shoe size is 7 while
>mine is 10.  So the question is can I remount the bindings to fit my 
>boots? How will this affect the structure and the performance of the skis?

Of course you can.  It will not be much different than when I had new 
bindings put on an old pair of skis.  I could not tell the difference.  
Now the job could be done badly, of course...

A better question is whether *you* should remount them, or whether you 
should put *new* bindings on the skis.  I would have a shop do the work, 
unless you have all the manufacturers info to put them on the ski in 
the right location and the skills to handle the release checks.  Replace 
the bindings if they show any wear or the shop won't remount them. 

--
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From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:42:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Smart Ticket
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

When I skiied in France (pyrenees montains in the south) about 10 years ago
you could buy punchable tickets.
Everytime you took a lift the attendant would punch a new hole in the ticket.
Some lifts would cost up to 3 holes, some just one. You could buy tickets
worth 20 holes, other worth 30 holes... As your skiing improved it would
cost less to just buy a ticket good for the day.

So this pay per run business is nothing new.

bruno.
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Re: Crosscountry/Backcountry skiing in New England (INFO WANTED)
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:20:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

>
>Where will I find tracks? 
>Where can I just break my own trail?  

Well you sound like just the kind of guy we need.  You can come ski out here
and live in my basement.  We'll go backcountry skiing with a half dozen
of my friends and we'll put you in the front of the line.  You can break 
trail all day and we'll just follow along... 'till we get to the top.

:-) :-) :-) :-)     

John
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 9 Oct 1992 13:43:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

I'm a ski instructor myself and my wife takes lessons from somebody else.
I've found that teaching someone you have relationship with is a bad idea
because they generally don't listen to your advise like they would with
a "real" instructor. I tell my wife the same things the other instructors
do but it works better coming from someone else. ASs a matter of fact most
of the instructors where I teach do the same thing and we tend to help each
other out in terms of giving someones SO a little longer lesson or maybe
a private lesson if the classes are light.


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From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 14:36:11 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct6.172641.14325@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.160815.6140@ncar.ucar.edu>
>chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>>I once witnessed (from the lift) a pretty bad scene on The Ridge
>>of Bell, an entire family of Texans on a run way over there head
>>(i.e. Run was hard black diamond & they were maybe blue square skiers).
>
>Oh, okay, I think I get it.  The climbing equivalent is getting to
>the top of the Grand Teton and meeting a bunch of people from Kansas or Iowa
>or Illie and they ask in all seriousness: "Wow! Nice view.  How do we
>get down?"
>

If the group were from Texas, would the reply be, "By the standard Otter
Body Snowfield route"?  

I've never seen a Texas skier.  Are there special noteworthy
characteristics?  Some special flair or elegance?  Class?  Do they only
ski in NM and Vail, CO?
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:04:12 GMT
Subject: Re: MAN MADE SNOW
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> I WILL NOT RESPOND TO
> ANYTHING ABOUT WATER IN
> SNOW AGAIN!!(I promise)
> TODD S>
> 

Oh boy!  Can't miss this opportunity to get the last word in!

>
>Man made snow is denser than natural, (NOT EARTHSHATTERING NEWS)
>but has anyone stopped and thought about the fact it does not
>have more or less water in it than any other snow, because.....
>SNOW IS WATER! (NOT EARTHSHATERING NEWS)
>

Todd, you're a slow learner, and maybe this isn't EARTHSHATERING NEWS either.

Water is clear, snow is not.
Water is a liquid, snow is not.
Water has surface tension, snow does not.
Water is a solvent, snow is not.

And perhaps most importantly,

Snow has structure (which changes based on environment), water does not.

THEREFORE (as my math teach used to say):

SNOW IS NOT WATER.

John


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