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From: slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov (Scott Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Continental Tix
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:36:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massively Parallel Computing Initiative, LLNL


With all this talk about getting ID'd at the gate, does anyone know if
a student ID is necessary, or just a driver's license?  I got some leftover
AMEX coupons but I already graduated.  I still have my student ID but
I wasn't sure what the policy is.

		Scott
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Scott Whitman			slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov
LLNL, L-416, P.O. Box 808	(510) 294-4109
Livermore, CA 94550
From: murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:58:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr10.175838.16986
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853


I'm really surprised to read about people getting mad at AMEX,
when they are offering such a good deal on tickets.  And after all,
as I remember, they are very  up-front about the fact that tickets can
only be used by the cardholder (at lesat, they were to me).

Also, w.r.t. AMEX service, I have found them to be universally very
good at service.  Indeed, when I first asked for my vouchers, they lost
them, then thought they had sent them, then got even more screwed up.
When they realized something had gone wrong, they offered me an extra pair.

Quite nice of them, I think.  In any case, though, I think that this
ranting about AMEX being such "gestapo" or whatever is just
out fo place; after all, they set the terms of teh contract.  If it was
such a bad deal, why buy in?  I mean, normal airline tickets are
usually the same way - not transferrable.  So why the big fuss
when it turns out that FFB tickets, or AMEX tickets, aren't
transferrable?

--chet--
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ncpn@caen.engin.umich.edu (Paul Rank)
Subject: For Sale:Detroit-Paris and QUESTIONS
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 13:42:59 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


I have a one-way ticket from Detroit-Paris on May 12 that 
I would like to sell.  The orginal cost of the ticket
was $350, but I'm willing to take any reasonable offer....

I'm a little upset about the whole situation, because I called NorthWest
a month ago, and they said I could change the ticket to anytime in 
June or July with no penalties.  Once I decided on the date, I called
NW back and they informed me that I could NOT change the date on the 
ticket.  (No, I did not get the names of the people I talked to-lesson
number 1).

Now for some questions.  The ticket is non-transferable (of course),
but what would happen if the person who orginally owned the ticket
would check in the baggage, show their passport, then transfer the
ticket to someone else?  What is the limit of liabilty for the person
who checked in the baggage when the other person gets on the plane? 
i.e. What happens if you did this and checked in a bomb or 20 kilos 
of coke?

Also, if I can't use this ticket, is there any way I can at least
get the frequent flying mileage (NW flight)?  I assume I could 
just go to the airport, get a boarding pass, and mail it in with
one of those claim forms.  Correct?

Any creative ways to change the date on a ticket (or get
some sort of refund)?  I know if you use a Doctor's note, Northwest 
will refund the ticket after charging you for the one-way (that was 
allready used from Paris-Detroit).  In other words, your refund will
be either very close to zero, or you'll owe them money.

Final question.  Is it OK to buy/sell/trade airline tickets in this 
group?  Or do we need rec.travel.air.marketplace :)  

Thanks in advance for answers to any of these questions,
paul
ncpn@caen.engin.umich.edu


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Paul Rank                         ncpn@caen.engin.umich.edu
From: phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil )
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Braniff experiences?
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:25:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr9.202534.751

In article <1992Apr9.162343.1084@linus.mitre.org>  writes:
} In article <ku46kdINNdvb@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
} > Has anyone flown the latest version of Braniff Airlines?
} > Any good or bad experiences to report?
} 
} 
} Yes, I had the opportunity to fly them 3 weeks ago from Boston to Newark 
} and (almost) back.  It took me half an hour to talk to a human after 
} finally getting through on their 800 number.  I couldn't get the $58 
} roundtrip, but got an $80 fare.  You couldn't find them at Logan - there 
} was only one small sign inside the terminal (they're by America West at 
} Terminal B).  It was a 7AM flight; there was a handwritten note by 
} check-in that the Braniff counter opened at 9AM (America West handled 
} check-in).  The tickets were filled out by hand.  The flight left 1 hour 
} and 40 minutes late.  (The pilot said someone forgot to refuel them.)  The 
} plane was an old, rattily 727 that was painted Braniff blue, but had a Pan 
} Am seatbelt buckle.

Pan-Am seat buckle, but our plane was (is) red.  Sounds like my experience,  
only briefer.  
 
} I was dying to know if that Braniff flight 
} ever left, but once I got home and called, I fell asleep while waiting for 
} a human to talk to me.

And that's the truth: anyone try this:  dial 1-800-BRANIFF.  It will take you  
about 20-30 minutes of fighting a busy signal, and then 30-40 minutes of hold  
time.  I'd put the odds of the flight leaving at 2/3.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Travel Clubs Info? USair destinations
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:39:35 GMT

In <1992Apr8.204444.19179@spool.cs.wisc.edu> kevinc@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin Chin) writes:


>Does USAir only service the East coast? by looking
>at their hubs they seem to be generally heading East.

While USAir is certainly more noticeable in the East (unavoidable,
some of us think) it does fly to the west coast, some in the central
midwest (it has a regional carrier partner in Kansas) and some in the
western sun belt.  It does have some flights between western cities
that are not segments of coast-to-coast flights.  USAir won't win many
points for luxury travel (and the food makes most other airlines look
like purveyors of fine cuisine - that's a particularly sore point with
me) but it gets one there, usually.  I have had a flight connection
screwed up by a co-pilot who slept late, but no great disaster
followed - just a later arrival home (by hours) than I expected.

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USair
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:16:50 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


    All this airline history talk reminds me of the following:

    A pilot called the control tower and asked what time it was. The
controller said "What airline are you with?" The pilot replied "What
the hell difference does that make?" The controller responded "Well,
if you're with American, I would tell you it's 1425 hours; if you're
with Eastern, I'd say it's 2:25 P.M.; and if you're with Ozark Airlines,
I'd say the big hand is on the 5 and the little hand is just past the 2."
From: drs@cci632.cci.com (Dale R. Seim)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:37:52 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

whats the longest flight segment?
 
A few years ago I flew LAX to Sydney on Qantas and American, at that
time they said it was the longest at about 7400 miles.

A longer flight, by about 10 miles has since appeared: LAX to HongKong

-drs
From: phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil )
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Braniff and the FAA - can I sue?
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:14:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr9.201445.749

Please read my post (Re: Braniff experiences - See if you can top this one!),  
and tell me:

What kind of legal action can I take against Braniff, in relation to  
compensation (i.e. gas, time wasted, etc)?  Normal airlines would have had me  
on a connecting flight, and I *thought* that an airline has a legal  
responsibility to get you to your connecting flight, but maybe not...

Please help, as I'd _love_ to screw this company out of as much money as I can.

Phil Miesle
phygod72@nic.gac.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: spanzer@enzyme.berkeley.edu (Scott Panzer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: when to volunteer (was Re: BUMPS)
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:56:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gpb1mac24.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr10.200929.15124@sfu.ca>, praim@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Praim Sankar) writes:
> 
> Is it possible to volunteer to be bumped while checking in?
> Or is it better to wait until they ask for volunteers?
> 
 
If you really want to get bumped, volunteer as soon as you check in at
the ticket counter.  Ask if they will be needing volunteers to get off,
and if so get your name on the list.  Often, the list is long enough that
they do not actually need to ask for volunteers.....enough people have
already signed up so that they can get everybody else on.

Another thing: for some airlines (and this can be airport-specific), they
won't let people flying on a bump ticket volunteer to get bumped again.
This happened to me on Northwest in Memphis, even though the agents
in LaGuardia would have let me had they needed volunteers.  I suggest
trying to sign up at the ticket counter, and if they need volunteers but
won't take you because your ticket was free, get yer butt to the gate agent
and ask again.  The gate agent may be of a different opinion, or be ignorant
of the policy and let you get bumped.

Scott
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Subject: Re: Flying on someone else's ticket.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.012208.26173@acsu.buffalo.edu> okeefe@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Paul O'Keefe) writes:
>
>I want to fly on United using a ticket made out with a female name.
>What are the chances of getting away with it.
>The front end boarding pass is already made out with a shorted first name.
>I recall that they usually don't look at the boarding pass as the collect them anyway.
>How about if I get a female to check in for me on the return leg? That might work?
>
>
>-Paul O'Keefe

Choices/Options:
  (a) Have female voice call and say "I want to put my Married name on
      the ticket" which will change the last name.

  (b) Have first name reduced to a letter.  They are only required to
      put a single letter on the ticket.

  (c) Become EXTREMELY agitated at the airport when you "notice" that
      the gender is wrong.  Notice it before the ticket agent.  Threaten
      to never fly the airline again because they made this mistake.

David Andersen
UC Irvine

--
David Andersen (Yo! that's an E---not an O!)


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Airline food
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.002544.15896@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
 > What really bothers me is airPORT "food":  expensive and inedible.

As always it depends on the airport.  One tip you might try is to
follow the pilots and eat where they eat.  I had good luck with
this when I was stuck in Charlotte, NC with a long flight delay.
Prices were high, but the food was about the same quality you'd
find in typical yuppie/bar'n'grill/karaoke type places, which is
to say decently if not stunningly prepared.  Nice floor to
ceiling view of the airfield, too.
From: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH AMERICAN "EXPRESS" (Re: AMEX coupons???)
Date: 11 Apr 1992 02:00:00 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr10.171505.11128@midway.uchicago.edu> 
gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <10APR199211450025@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> smpalaz@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Shankar Jagannathan) writes:
 >[Stuff deleted about another story about Amex]
 >>
 >>Well, I wont bother repeating the same messy details as they occured in my
 >>case. Suffice it to say that I am convinced that AMEX service is lousy 
 >>especially if you are a student member, although you still pay the full
 >>member fee. They had better realise that there are few benefits not 
 >>offered by competitive cards esp. VISA and M/C.
 >
 >	I disagree about AMEX.  I have been very pleased with AMEX,
 >and have not had any problems with them.  I do not believe that Amex
 >treats their student members (like me) any differently than of any
 >other members.
 >
 >	Whenever I have had a need to call Amex, I have been able to
 >just call the customer service on the back of the card and talk to a
 >person who has always been able to help me.
 >
 (stuff deleted)

 >	I was one of those people affected by the closure of Midway
 >Airlines.  I had used the first half of the ticket to come out here to
 >Chicago, and I had the return trip to go back to Washington.  [Midway
 >unfortunately shut down in November, a sad day here in Chicago.]  The
 >ticket had been purchased using the Card.  So, I call Amex to ask what
 >I should do (i.e. get a refund, try to transfer it to another airline,
 >etc.)  The first person I talked to answered all of the questions I
 >had, without any run around.  
 (Stuff deleted) if that didn't work 2) call Amex back and THEY
 >would see if they could get another airline to honor it, and if that
 >didn't work, then 3) Amex would refund the unused portion of the
 >ticket (so I wouldn't be a creditor of Midway).
 >
 >Amex gave a perfectly reasonable response.  I had not been expecting to hear
 >possibility number 2), but I also thought that it was reasonable for
 >me to check first.  The competant response, and also how helpful they
 >were, is why I use them.

But you see, the service you needed from AMEX is a service they provide for
***all cardmembers all the time.***  

The problem occurs when one needs help related to Student Services.  
At this point you become less than a nobody to them, especially when it's 
all their fault.  

I doth repeat it again: AMEX SUCKS!!!
-- 

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Dan Rosler                       Internet: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Because you never get a third chance to make a second impression.
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From: spanzer@enzyme.berkeley.edu (Scott Panzer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: More about BUMPS
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:39:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gpb1mac19.berkeley.edu

All this recent talk about getting bumped reminds me of an experience
I had about two years ago:

I volunteered to get off a Northwest flight from BOS to MSP for a
voucher "good for one free round trip".  I was seated and then extracted
from the plane and only after I got off did I find out (when they handed
me the voucher and I read the fine print) about a significant difficulty
with actually using the voucher:  Reservations for a trip using this
voucher could only be made WITHIN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS of the desired flight!
:(:(:(  Not very useful if you want to take a trip during a busy season!

I did, however, find a way to be assured of a flight and still have a chance 
use the ticket.  Since I was a Worldperks (NW frequent flier) member and had
vouchers good for a roundtrip (with these vouchers, you must reserve 14
days in advance).  Also (very key) reservations made with these vouchers
are CANCELLABLE with no penalty.  So I reserved with my frequent flier
award in advance, and, the day before the flight, I inquired whether there
were seats available in the "bump voucher class".  Luckily, there were, and
I made a reservation there, and then cancelled my previous reservation on
the frequent flier award (which I then used for a different trip) :) :).

The bump vouchers also have the disadvantage of expiring a year or so after
the date of issue, while the frequent flier awards are good for a few years.
It seems to me that these bump vouchers are a bit of a scam on the part
of the airlines since the restrictions seem designed to discourage/prevent
their actual use.

I would be interested in hearing other people's experiences with getting
bumped, in particular, what are the restrictions on these tickets for
particular airlines, and what people did to get around them (if the
restrictions were really a problem).  Please post, or if you email me
I will summarize.

The final chapter to this story is that while waiting for my second flight
I was offered a bump from that one.  I declined, since I wanted to get back
to Berkeley that night.  However, there was a fire in the kitchen on the
flight I left on, we returned to Boston, and by the time we got a replacement
plane, I missed my connection in MSP.  I stayed overnight there and was put on
the flight to which I would have connected had I taken the second bump in
Boston!

Scott
From: bahman@aeshq.UUCP (Bahman Motamed)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Testing! Testing!
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: bahman@aeshq.UUCP (bahman motamed)
Distribution: na
Organization: AES Headquarters, Environment Canada, Toronto, Canada

testing! testing!
From: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH AMERICAN "EXPRESS" (Re: AMEX coupons???)
Date: 11 Apr 1992 02:30:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
 >Their failure to
 >send to the correct address is negligence on their part, especially when
 >you had notified them again about the correct address.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

Since AMEX is registered to do business in all states, they are a sue-able
entity in the small claims court in your district.  (I know this isn't the 
net.legal or whatever so i'll be brief) The amount in question would most 
likely be within the jurisdictional amount ($5000 in CA).  The filing fee 
is small, and chances are AMEX would settle before it ever got to court.  
 
 >I thought so but wasn't prepared to go through a legal battle--or take the
 >chance of losing several hundred dollars I didn't have.  Oh, well.
 
 All Agreed!!!!
-- 

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Dan Rosler                       Internet: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Because you never get a third chance to make a second impression.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sasdjl@norma.unx.sas.com (Jeff Lopes)
Subject: AMEX Coupons on USAir
Keywords: Frequent Flier Miles
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasdjl@norma.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:27:20 GMT
X-Bytes: 339

If I use my AMEX coupons on USAir instead of Contiental, can I get
the miles posted to my USAir frequent flier account?  Anybody know
about this?

I think the worst glich with these AMEX coupons is that you can only
stay 6 days.  I hate that.  I couldn't use any of my coupons last
year because my trips were longer.  Any way around this?
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: <pc@bellcore.com>
Subject: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
Reply-To: <pc@bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - IMS, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:46:30 GMT

In article<92106.145510ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>Asher Samuels <ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> My idea is that, whenever there's a crying kid, one free alcoholic drink
> should be served to everyone in earshot.
> I know that onTower, with all the kids, etc.  the only way I survive is to brin
>  along a flask of Jack Daniels.

where i come from, sometimes parents would give the crying babies a sip
or two of whisky.  quite often this would shut them up.

peter clitherow, pc@bellcore.com, (201) 829-5162, DQID: H07692
bellcore, 445 south street, room 2f-085, morristown, nj 07962

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Airport Codes
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:54:43 GMT

In article <sjones.703045695@cunews>, sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:
<
<Some notes, additions, and clarifications to the airport code list
<Canadian (and French) cities only

Many thanks.  I've corrected the file and shall send a copy to its creator.
Please send me corrections (or post them); I'll keep the file up to date
and repost it occasionally (along with the FAQ, if any?).  All additions
are welcome as well.  (For now, I've filled in the empty fields [latitude
and the like] with zeroes [an `X' in the last one], but I'd like to add the
correct data.  Please send them if you have them or point me to a book that
does.)

Two problems I noticed while typing the corrections:

1) The entry for YLJ is duplicated.  Delete one?

2) Minnesota and Manitoba are abbreviated the same way, as `MN'!  In new
   entries, I'm using `MB' for Manitoba; one of these days, I'll get around
   to correcting the old ones, probably by checking latitude and longitude.
   (I'll have to check on the standard postal abbreviation for Manitoba.)

By the way, I used `SPM' for St Pierre & Miquelon.  Any better ideas?

					--Scott

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horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: knight@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Bob Knight)
Subject: Re: Delta Frequent Flier Mileage
Organization: Barton Industries ITSD, Santa Fe, NM
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:10:54 GMT

In article <29EBC3B1.27963@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.151905.1@max.u.washington.edu> gad@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.202049.8273@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, punisher@gawain.cif.rochester.edu (What a charmer!) writes:

>>> 	it will take before I can get something from Delta?  I
>>> 	was joking with my uncle (who flies AA, united, or Delta
>>> 	at least once a month) that I would probably need a million
>>> 	miles before I got a freebie.  He said that was about right,
>>> 	and that I MIGHT get to go as far as Rochester, NY. to NYC!!!
>>  Listen to your uncle (40,000 for domestic, 50,000 for Hawaii, 70,000 for Europe
>
>Why fly DL?  AA = 20000 for domestic, 30000 for Hawaii.....
>
>David Andersen (Yo! that's an E---not an O!)

I'll tell you why...AA only gives you 500 miles per segment.  40
segments gets you a free domestic and *they expire mileage*.  Use it
or lose it.  UA doesn't expire mileage (maybe they do now, haven't
flown them for 3 years), but its the same gig. For non-Medallion DL
flyers, I believe that 40 segments is a freebie.  Seems to me that its
the same number of segments for UA, AA and DL.  

Try to upgrade on American or UA.  Its a bitch.  On DL, its easy and
you get double your mileage not a 50% bonus.  

I fly a lot.  For the years 89-91, I *averaged* 63 *base* segments per year.   
I avoid UA and AA if I can possibly help it.  I fly DL almost exclusively and
wouldn't switch.  They're an outstanding airline.

Bob