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From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Subject: Summary: Snow Tires on the non drivable wheels
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:15:07 GMT


I received many replies to my original question; thanks to all who replied.
Summary of the replies:    Y E S , they help !!!
  Using snow tires on the non-drivable wheels helps: For front wheel drive
it gives the rear wheels a better grasp, hence reducing the chance of a
spin (especially when breaking while going down hill). For rear wheel
drive you'de get a better steering (though from my experience, steering
is not so bad because the heavy engine sits in the front thus the front
wheels are holding tight on snow).

-- Boaz
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From: shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Buying a Saturn
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:36 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1js6neINNklk@gizmo.usc.edu>, kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty) writes...
> 
>Is the rumor true that Saturn dealers will not bargain off the sticker price?
>If anyone has got one below MSRP, could you please share your story?  I'd 
>like to buy an SL as a cheap reliable car.  Thanks.
> 
>| Kim Daugherty                   | PhD program in Computer Science   |
>| kimd@gizmo.usc.edu              | University of Southern California |

Hi Kim,
	Well, Saturn dealers have very little incentive to lower their
prices at the moment, as most dealers have very few cars on the lot
because they sell them at list price as fast as they come in.  The
wagons are back-ordered for months, due both to their high popularity and
the fact that Saturn was rejecting many of the roofs (supplied by an
outside company I believe) because their fit wasn't quite up to
standards.  When the cars are not selling like hotcakes, I believe you'll
begin to see some bargaining off the sticker prices.
	I'm told that Saturn dealers often give you a slightly better
deal on a trading-in than most other dealers will.  If you go in to
buy one, you can also probably convince them to give you some useful
accessories (like the neat Saturn floormats or the center armrest/holder
or the trunk cargo net) for free/greatly reduced.  I got them to throw
in the armrest for free when I bought my SL1.

			Tim (Shoppa@erin.caltech.edu)

P.S.  Haggling over car prices is not something I personally miss!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shantanu@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:29:57 GMT

In article <C17n3D.DLr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>In article <1jkteoINN6uh@male.EBay.Sun.COM> elkinbar@filly.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Elkinbard) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.083408.4345@informix.com>, aland@informix.com
>>(Colonel Panic) writes:

>>> Actually, that's not a bad example.  A recent CR rated the Probe GT and the
>>> MX-6 LS in the same article.  As for repair ratings, they characterized the 
>>> past years' models of the Probe as "worse than average" but of the MX-6 as 
>>> "better than average".  Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure somebody will [-:),
>>> but even in 1992 and previous, weren't they the SAME DAMN PLATFORM with the
>>> EXACT SAME MOTORS?!?!

>>The same platform and the same engine, doesn't mean that the cars are the same.
>>As my parents found out when they bought a British "clone" of an Acura
>>Legend,  the Sterling.   And while the engine, transmission, and the suspension
>>peaces on the Sterling are still functional, everything else fell apart.
>>The interior electricals failed often enough to push the reliablity rating
>>of the car far down.

>	Yes, Greg, but you forget, the Sterling was made in England, where
>reliable cars are only made by GM (Vauxhall) and Rolls Royce.  The Legend was
>made in Japan.  The Probe and MX-6, and 626 for that matter, are all made in
>the same plant in Flat Rock, MI.  Obviously the same car made in different
>factories by different companies could, and probably would, have dissimilar
>repair records, but cars made in the same plant by the same workers won't...

Good logic. Both the probe and the mx6 are manufactured in the same plant.
The only difference between the two cars is that the Taurus 3.0 v6 engine
available in the probe ls. I wonder if that could be causing the different
ratings in consumer reports? Probe drivers are a more enthusiastic lot that
your average (non-rec.autos reading) Taurus driver. Maybe the ford 3.0
doesn't hold up well under hard driving?

It would be more meaningful to compare the more detailed ratings (body integrity,
engine, brakes, etc etc) of the probe and the mx6 as reported by CR, rather
than look at a three word summary like `better than average'.

Shantanu Ganguly
Somerset (Motorola)

phone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513
fax   : (512) 795-7513                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.
                                        Austin TX 78735-8598
email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Xref: sparky rec.autos:32987 rec.autos.tech:18473
From: rtoth@athos.rutgers.edu (Robert Toth)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: 88 Cougar LS
Keywords: OIL
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:01:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Just a quick question...My girlfried just purchased an 88 Cougar LS
with the 3.8l engine.  I was wondering what grade of oil is best
recommended for this car.  We live in the Northeast were it gets good
and cold in the winter and sometimes very very hot in the summers.  
The owners manual doesn't say.  The car was bought used with 33k
miles.  I plan on changing the oil this weekend (provided nice
weather).   Any help will be appreciated.  



Please send replies directly to me.



Thanks much.

...rob
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From: timg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Gallivan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Opinions on '93 Mazda MX-6?
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:34:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas Center for Relativity

Hi,

I am considering buying a new 1993 Mazda MX-6. I realize that they are
fairly new, but I am interested in feedback (good and bad) from people
who have bought one.

Thanks,

-Tim Gallivan
timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Wanted: Carb for Austin Canbrian
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:46:02 GMT

I'm hunting for a carburetor for a 1959 Austin Canbrian; my brother has 
scoured the Phoenix AZ USA area without luck thusfar, and we're running out 
of ideas. The carburetor is a single barrel 2 bolt Zenith; the original is 
warped and must be replaced. If you know of any possible sources or 
substitutions, all help would be greatly appreciated.


---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
From: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:04:51 GMT
Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Northwest Citroen Owners Club


In article 17119@leland.Stanford.EDU, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
 
>the audi 5000 introduced aerodynamics to sedans; the taurus brought
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>it to the masses.  i remember that once upon a time the taurus was
>intended as a replacement for the LTD crown victoria (!).  ford took
>a big gamble that the cutlass ciera crowd would warm to the futuristic
>look of the taurus.  (the taurus was so futuristic-looking that they
>used it as the police car in Robocop.)
>-teddy

BZZT!  The Audi 5000 introduced the specific shape later copied by the 
Taurus!  The Citroen DS19 introduced aerodynamics to modern sedans in 1955!
The DS was developed in a wind tunnel owned by Citroen (the first company to use one -
they had done this with the Traction Avant in 1932-4 as well).

The drag coeficient of the DS was 0.32 some 30 years before the 5000/Taurus hit the 
streets!   The taurus brought the shape to the masses here in N. America only, but the
DS was sold all over the world for almost 20 years when it was replaced by the
even more slippery CX in 1974.  

(the DS is so futuristic looking that it was used in the 'Back to the future'
film as a taxi and as a regular car of the future).

-roland
From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: No such thing as a Free Car Wash
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:01:13 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: itchub21.cs.itc.hp.com


Here in Colorado most places give free washes with 8 gallons of gas or
more. Some places do charge 1 - 3 bucks but these are the better washes.
For free, you get the once over. I do it all the time in my Jeep
Wranger. I would not put a nice car through it though. It's not real
nice to the paint. The pay ones are fine for the good cars though!


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying(Buying a Japanese car)
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:06:09 GMT

In <80816@hydra.gatech.EDU> ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR Siqing WEI) writes:


>There are a great deal of talk of "unlevel play-ground".
>If you are willing to keep an open mind, look at the
>play-rule, instead of the ground.

>The truth is that, the trading practices are rather different
>for US and Japan -> the rule of the game. Now, the Japaness
>took the pain to learn the "rule of the land[US]", and
>the US is insisting using the "home rule" to play in 
>Japan.

>I always have the picture that the football player are
>called fault at the soccer game "when following the rule
>of game of the football", and complaining that the 
>referee is "biased" towards US.

>What those "crying baby" complaininh about, using the 
>football rule to play soccer in Britain?

This is a crock, and you damn well know it. The rules of
the game here are the same for native companies and imports,
i.e., they meet the same EPA, NHTSA standards, etc.

In Japan, the *rules* are vastly different for native companies
and importers. And that's what we mean by a level-field, or in this
case that the field is not level.

>Wei
Bob.


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Eric Alter)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:28:29 GMT
Reply-To: alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester Mn

In article <1993Jan24.170501.21253@netcom.com>, derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:

<stuff deleted>

|> 
|> In my heartful opinion, you should not wash the engine at all,
|> but steam it.  Water will cause rust, but steam wouldn't.
|> 
|> I'm sure you can find someplace that has steam hoses.
|> 
|> - Scotty
|> 
|> -- 
|> Scott Allen Steinbrink
|>  
|> NetCom: Derich@netcom.com
|> America Online: Derichman
|> Bitnet: 11sstein%gallua.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu 

Since when does steam, another form of water, not cause rust?

I would think that blasting a cool engine with water may drive some into place
which may not dry out anytime soon.  This may cause problems 
(electrical shorts???) when you start the car the next time.

-- 

Eric Alter
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: derek@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Derek Chiou)
Subject: WANTED: Porsche 944 in Boston area
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:30:00 GMT


WANTED -- 1985.5 to 1986 Porsche 944 in Boston/adjacent Massachusetts
area.  Black exterior.  No rust.  Good interior and mechanical
condition.  Prefer less than 85k miles.  Prefer Porsche enthusiast
with records.  

Posting for a friend.  Please call William at 617-720-4965 or you can
write me here and I'll tell him.
From: ccl8370@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.C. Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Good VW ad
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:58:11 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan27.203016.17828@news.ysu.edu> ah179@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Wilson) writes:
>
>Back when the VW Bug was selling like hotcakes, they had a funny
>TV advertisement.  The scene was a snow-covered landscape very 
>early in the morning.  A snowplow is clearing the road.  A voice
>asks a sensible question, "Ever wonder what the snowplow drivers
>drive to work?"  The scene switches, of course, to a VW Bug...
> 
>-- 
>Brian Wilson (not from the Beach Boys)               ROLL TIDE!
> 
>"How come two wrongs don't make a right, yet three lefts do?"

 >>> I saw that commerical, it was the best !! I also saw this other VW
commerical( air only in Europe) where they have a setting similar to Top
Gun, a driver took a GTi and drive it through all kinds of imaginable conditions, then returned to base and earned his wing.!! That was awsome!! I only
wish they would air it here.
											Cris L..
											"Imaging Is Everything!"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on minivans
Reply-To: gvanmoor@nrao.edu
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:50:37 GMT

In article 0081@SEMOVM.SEMO.EDU, C741SCB <C741SCB@SEMOVM.SEMO.EDU> () writes:
>I'm thinking of buying a new minivan.  A local dealer offers a
>Plymouth Voyager for about 14,000; I'd be interested in information
>about this and other minivan makes.  Didn't Voyager have some
>problems a few years back?  Have they been fixed?

I bought a Plymouth Voyager last summer, and now after 11,000 miles I still like
the car quite a lot. Their main advantage as I see it is that they have been
around long enough to iron out the problems. Don't look for sporty behavior, but
if you did, you probably would not be in the market for a minivan in the first
place. They had problems with their four speed automatic some years ago, enough
reason for me to get the three-speed automatic. Manual shift is only offered in
conjunction with their 2.5 l engine which might well be on the small side
for such a heavy vehicle. Mine has a 3.0 liter Mitsubishi engine which suits me fine.
Main disadvantages: 1) to rearrange the seats (second and third row) one needs
superhuman muscle power, I have seen this go MUCH easier in some other minivans.
And 2) their high beam headlight is very ineffective, this might be easily curable
but I have not taken any steps to do so. But all in all, as for price/performance,
you cannot beat this one.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: NASCAR: WC Update
Keywords: NASCAR WC
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:08:25 GMT


Here's a current list of all the 1993 Winston Cup teams and drivers.
It contains all the info that I have as of January 28.  If you know
of anything that I don't have here, reply by post or email.



DRIVER			1992 TEAM/SPONSOR	1993 TEAM/SPONSOR

Davey Allison		Robert Yates		same
			Texaco

Brett Bodine		Kenny Bernstein		same
			Quaker State

Geoff Bodine		Bud Moore		same
			Motorcraft

Derrike Cope		Bob Whitcomb		no ride
			Purolator

Wally Dallenbach	Jack Roush{2}		same
			Keystone

Dale Earnhardt		Richard Childress	same
			GM Goodwrench

Bill Elliott		Junior Johnson{1}	same
			Budwieser

Harry Gant		Leo Jackson		same
			Skoal

Jeff Gordon		BGN			Rick Hendrick{3}*
						Du Pont**

Bobby Hamilton		Chuck Bradshaw		same
			Country Time		same

Jimmy Hensley		Cale Yarborough		no ride?
			Phillips 66

Bobby Hillin		Martin Barrane		Junie Dunleavy
			no sponsor		Helig-Meyers**

Ernie Irvan		Morgan-McClure		same
			Kodak

Dale Jarrett		Joe Gibbs		same
			Interstate Batteries

Alan Kulwicki		self			same
			Hooters

Bobby Labonte		BGN			Bill Davis*
						Maxwell House

Terry Labonte		Billy Hagen		same
			Sunoco			Kellogg's

Chad Little		Harry Melling		Mark Rypien*
			no sponsor		?

Dave Marcis		self			same?
			no sponsor

Sterling Marlin		Junior Johnson{2}	Stavola Bros.
			Maxwell House		?

Mark Martin		Jack Roush{1}		same
			Valvoline

Rick Mast		Richard Jackson		same
			Skoal Classic

Jimmy Means		self			?
			no sponsor

Ted Musgrave		D. K. Ulrich		same
			Jasper Engines		same?

Kyle Petty		Felix Sabates{1}	same
			Mello Yello

Richard Petty		Petty Enterprises	retired
			STP

Ricky Rudd		Rick Hendrick{1}	same
			Tide

Greg Sacks		Larry Headrick		no ride?
			Kellogg's

Ken Schrader		Rick Hendrick{2}	same
			Kodiak

Morgan Shepherd		Wood Bros.		same
			Citgo

Jimmy Spencer		Travis Carter		Bobby Allison
			no sponsor		?

Hut Stricklin		Bobby Allison		Junior Johnson{2}
			Raybestos		McDonald's**

Dick Trickle		Stavola Bros.		no ride?
			Snickers

Kenny Wallace		BGN			Felix Sabates{2}*
						Dirt Devil

Rusty Wallace		Penske/Wallace/Miller	same
			Miller Gen. Draft

Darrell Waltrip		self			same
			Western Auto

Michael Waltrip		Bahari (Chuck Rider)	same
			Pennzoil

Rick Wilson		no ride			Petty Enterprises
						STP


{} indicates a multi-car team.
* indicates a new team.
** indicates a sponsor new to WC.

These 1992 teams/owners have closed:
Martin Barrane
Travis Carter
Bob Whitcomb

I do not know the status of these 1992 teams/owners:
Harry Melling
Larry Headrick
Cale Yarborough

-- 
David Cornutt, New Technology Inc., Huntsville, AL  (205) 461-4517
(cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies)
"The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer,
not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary."
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: F1 vs. Indycars (WAS- Re:No Williams in '93)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:02:03 GMT

In article <lm8fcgINNjhj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>From article <7690@sersun1.essex.ac.uk>, by aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk:
>> PS.  'Your Nige' must be laughing his head off!
>
>I reckon that he must be.  Especially since he and the Lola-Ford seem to
>be settling into oval track work very comfortably! 
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

He may be fast, but I assure you he's not comfortable... in his AutoWeek 
column, he says his comfort level on an oval kinda resembles an oval...
ZERO!!    

Just something for the F1 supremacists to think about before they call our 
IndyCar racers second-rate drivers....

>On Track says that
>he got within 0.4 sec of Michael's record at Phoenix before the weather
>chased them under cover.

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From: srr@udorn.Eng.Sun.COM (Steve Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Lake Laguna Seca & Camping tickets
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:18:41 GMT
Reply-To: srr@udorn.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: udorn

So, the laguna's not so seca, eh?  I remember that when I started going to Laguna Seca
in the mid- '60's (pre-permanent john's) that it was not uncommon for the infield 
to be flooded. In fact, at home I have an old program that contains a photo showing 
race cars racing and sail boats sailing at the same time!

In those days when the infield wasn't a lake it was parking, but sometimes it was dry
only for the top 1/4 inch or so. 4WD's weren't popular in those days either, so everybody got stuck.

There was no camping allowed at the track then either as it belonged to the Army. MP's
handled the traffic and didn't take any guff from anybody.

-Steve
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams fail to register!!!!
Keywords: Teletext source
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:37:11 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan22.132329.24866@aber.ac.uk> per@aber.ac.uk (Peter David Roberts) writes:

>Shock news of the week may well go to the fact that Williams are not
>on the list of official entries for this seasons championship!!
>The news carried by Ceefax this morning (22nd) suggests that the team 
>failed to get their papers in in time to count.

Williams claim that as the deadline was a Sunday, the rules quite clearly 
state that they're allowed to file their entry on the Monday, which they did.
They're threatening FISA with legal action now.



            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: educ074@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: New Zealander to drive with Rouse
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:44:11 GMT

New Zealander Paul Radisich today anounced he has finalised the drive in the
British Touring car champs with Andy Rouse.The car will be the new Ford Mondeo.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport