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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Nunley case
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:51:04 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 >  JB> if we, the citizens of the county, could get a class
 > action
 >  JB> suit together, and sue the persons, not the county,
 > for the
 >  JB> money they have wasted by certifing an obvious invalid
 > election.
 >      I will contribute to the cost, especially if the certifying
 > officials,
 >      are specified by name.
 >
 >
 
I imagine we probably could get some ambulance chaser to work on 
a contingency type arrangement.
I however doubt we can legally sue the individual and not the county.
Nice idea though!



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From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Enya Fans (Electric Celtic New Age Folk Rock)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: hsv
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:24:40 GMT

If there are any other Enya fans out there, the BBC special to which her first
CD was the soundtrack, "The Celts" is on the Learning Channel tonight (twice).

The music is truly fine, but I've never seen the special - could be a treat.

If you don't know Enya's music - she was originally a member of, and still
has relatives in, another fine group called Clannad.

Larry "Celtic-Germanic Americans eat wasps for breakfast" Hughes
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From: puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:51:46 GMT

mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason) writes:

>Sir, your self-discipline remark appears to be a slur.  If you did not
>intend to imply that I'm gay because I lack self-discipline, then what
>exactly DID you mean by the remark?

Ken replies:

First of all, we'll ignore these (your own) words about your
"orientation":

Jim said:
>> ...while I wasn't disciplined enough and gave into impulses to be gay? 

As for your question about self-discipline:

Sir, thank you for quoting my original thread about self-discipline.
Look closely and you'll see that my orignal reference to self-discipline
was with regard to SOCIETY (not YOU):

Ken said:
>> see what abuse of freedom has brought our society to.  Being free
>> requires greater self-discipline.  It does NOT mean that "anything
>> goes".

Then Sir, please note that your reply used the self-discipline theme to
infer some kind of homosexual slur in my direction. (I chose to ignore
your implication in the interest of spirited debate.):

Jim said:
>> Are you saying that it took a lot of self-discipline on
>> your part to be a heterosexual, while I wasn't disciplined enough and
>> gave into impulses to be gay?  And here I thought your heterosexuality
>> was natural and innate.....

Now Jim, if you're twisting this little debate into a personal issue simply
because I disagree with your opinion, you may carry on further
conversation by yourself. But if you really want to discuss the general
issue about the right or wrongs of homosexuality (which is after all the
origin of this discussion), let's move on.

Ken

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From: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
Subject: Re: Homeosexuality
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:27:20 GMT

puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:

>....If only we could come up
>with a fashionable buzzword for common sense, perhaps we could get
>our society back on the right track. 
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't you mean _your track_?
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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:33:28 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Well PO 2 Phillip G***** (name deleted out of courtesy) was a
fellow Navy guy when I was a Navy girl. He was gay. He was also
one of my best friends. I suppose that is because he never came
on to me, never assumed anything about me because I was in "A
Man's Job" nor did he treat me like some kind of piece of meat
that so many of my other male co-workers did. So my experience
with a Homosexual Male in the service was a positive one. And
everyone knew he was gay.
   However, that was before AIDS was such a problem. I think it
is a bad idea because I believe that many who are homosexual who
join the service and contract the disease will be treated at the
taxpayers expense. If you thin we spend a lot on the military
now, just wait until that happens.
   As far as the social aspects go. There was a female
homosexual in my Boot Camp Company (In fact, since she had ROTC
in High School she was out company leader). She had joined on
the "Buddy System" with her homosexual lover. It took them all
of three weeks to find out the two were an "Item" and processed
them out. However she never acted in any fashion that made the
rest of us uncomfortable, infact we all were pretty sad that she
had to go. She was very fair as a company leader. I guess I
would have been uncomfortable in the shower with her knowing she
was gay. However, I never knew till after she was processed out
of our company.
   If I were male, and I had to shower or live in close quarters
with a blatant homosexual I would be very uncomfortable. Also,
if he was very blatant about his sexuality and tried to press it
with me, I'd beat the S&*^ out of him. I doubt he'd do it again.
   Still I vote no to Slick Willies brillant idea of letting
professed homosexuals in.
 
LW

 

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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Homosexuality Chosen or Deformity?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:52:16 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

TO: margaret@infonode.ingr.com (Margaret Wiginton)
 
Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:
 
 
MW> "Although most of the people who are living with AIDS are homosexual
men, new HIV infections are now occurring at the highest rate among
heterosexual women, blacks, and Hispanics.
        I suspect you have a greater chance of getting struck by 

lightening while going out for pizza.  People get AIDS from sexual 
intercourse and IV drug use, not from salad bars."
*** STUFF DELETED ***
MW>  "They just want the same rights everyone else has... -- to feel 
secure in a job, to get married [Leah--They can in CA.] and enjoy 
the same tax/insurance/legal benefits as other married couples,
>>>>>to raise children<<<<<
LEAH> Just who's children do they want to raise?
MW> and just to walk down the street without fear.
LEAH> Sheesh! Like any of us can do that in this day and age, why 
do suppose I carry a gun?
 
   LEAH >political rights? I mean, have you ever been turned down 

for a job
        >because you were too "Liberal"? (Believe it or not, I HAVE! 

HA!
        >Last month!
 
MW> "You weren't turned down for a job.  You were defeated.
 
I'm glad you lost.
Margaret Wiginton"
 
Ooooh What a bitch you are! FYI I was NOT talking about my political 
race. I was talking about a talk radio show position. I was refused 
the audition because I was told I was "Too Liberal" HA!
Leah
 
{You know something, I shouldn't waste my time responding to such 

a message, and most of you here regularly know I don't call people 
names normally, but the bitch had it comming.}



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From: pat@fitz.b30.ingr.com (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: Re: Homeosexuality
Organization: Gizmonic Institute
	<1992Nov18.212546.22257@infonode.ingr.com>
Distribution: hsv
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:44:44 GMT

puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:

   If only we could come up with a fashionable buzzword for common
   sense, perhaps we could get our society back on the right track.

Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat.
	- Principia Discordia
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The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own
denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's
will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be
desecrated.

For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities.
Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the
divine will.  Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own
denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most
sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps
outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the
other.

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Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for
the work of the Lord.
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From: Norman.Frederick@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Norman Frederick)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Homosexuality Chosen or Deformity?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 07:57:01 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/32

 Leah growled at Margaret,
 LW> Ooooh What a bitch you are!
                  ^^^^^
Leah, you have got to watch your spelling. The word is spelled with a "u".


Fred

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From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:13:01 GMT

In <1992Nov18.190314.1088@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> cfar@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Carol Farquhar) writes:

>I can't believe Leah would post a paragraph like this and call someone
>else illerate (note spelling, Leah).  I suggest she study the dictionary
>more and post less.

Umm, Carol, I think the spelling is "illiterate." As in not literate,
or not able to read, a disability which is distinct from not being
able to spell.

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From: mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:34:03 GMT

puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:

>mason@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Mason) writes:

>>Sir, your self-discipline remark appears to be a slur.  If you did not
>>intend to imply that I'm gay because I lack self-discipline, then what
>>exactly DID you mean by the remark?

>Then Sir, please note that your reply used the self-discipline theme to
>infer some kind of homosexual slur in my direction. (I chose to ignore
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>your implication in the interest of spirited debate.):

What is a "homosexual slur"?


>Jim said:
>>> Are you saying that it took a lot of self-discipline on
>>> your part to be a heterosexual, while I wasn't disciplined enough and
>>> gave into impulses to be gay?  And here I thought your heterosexuality
>>> was natural and innate.....

>Now Jim, if you're twisting this little debate into a personal issue simply
>because I disagree with your opinion, you may carry on further
>conversation by yourself. But if you really want to discuss the general
>issue about the right or wrongs of homosexuality (which is after all the
>origin of this discussion), let's move on.

Amazingly enough, you still haven't answered the question: what did you
mean by the self-discipline remark?  If you don't want to answer, fair
enough.

And no, I don't care to discuss the "rights or wrongs of homosexuality,"
which incidentally was NOT the origin of the thread.  As I recall, the
thread originated when Leah asked for opinions on Bud Cramer's stand
(or lack thereof) on affording civil rights to gays and lesbians.

The proposition I was (and am) advancing is that rights should be
afforded equally, as I hold that people have rights unconditionally,
by birthright.  This is completely inconsistent with your position
(from another posting) that rights are a privilege.  If I read you
correctly, you are saying that gay people do not deserve the same
rights as hets because you feel that homosexuality is morally wrong,
so it follows that rights given to heterosexuals amount to rewards
for "correct" behaviour.

I submit that we need to move beyond this reward/punishment mentality
and learn to live with our differences.

-Jim

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From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:32:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.173534.5906@b8.b8.ingr.com>, tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins) writes:
|>
|> There is growing scientific evidence that homosexuality has a 
|> biological basis; i.e. they really are born that way.

I don't wish to speak for or against this point right now, just that
I don't understand it.  Maybe my understanding of genetics is flawed.
Anyway, if we assume people that are genetically predisposed to
homosexuality have even slightly less children than people genetically
predisposed to heterosexuality, wouldn't the "homosexual genes" disappear
after a few thousand years at most?  Yet, I have heard claims that the
percentage of homosexuals have remained fairly constant throughout history.

Or are these supposed "biological" factors non-genetic, like maybe tempature
of the mother's womb or something?

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From: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins)
Subject: Re: MOVE THIS TO ALT.MOTSS
Reply-To: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: The Ernest P. Worrell Institute for the Study of the Vernal Equinox
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:11:56 GMT

In hsv.general, Dianne Ferrans writes:
|> relating back to the dolphin story, I read a study once where
|> they found that as they increased the population of white mice
|> in a cage, more and more began to practice homosexual behaviour.
|> 
|> Might it not be perfectly natural, and also nature's way of 
|> controling population explosion?


But then she writes:
|> Hey!  could we move the homophobe discussion somewhere else?
|> let's discuss topics of LOCAL interest, this is cluttering up
|> the newsgroup!

Gee, Dianne, I couldn't help but notice that there was no Followup-to:
line in your first article.  :-)

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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Betty Wilson
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:20:35 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

So niaeve.
Leah

 

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From: crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com (Steve Crooks)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Reply-To: crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:23:17 GMT

puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes:
>Rights are most certainly a privilege. You have them because you are
>here, not in cold-war East Germany or any one of the other totalitarian
>countries. 

  "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
   equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
   rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
   That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
   deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
					-- Thomas Jefferson
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From: dclark@tolstoy.b11.ingr.com (Dave Clark)
Subject: Re: Nightline and Presidential Cantidates
Organization: Intergraph Corp.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:45:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.145323.13846@b11.b11.ingr.com>, lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes) writes:

|> Each man ... can market his own work, knowledge, and skills to the business
        ^^^                ^^^
|> owner of his choice that has a NEED for such a worker, and assuming he continues
            ^^^                                                        ^^
|> to give good worth in return for the wage he is paid, what you have is called
                                             ^^
|> a JOB.


|> Suggestion: before you expose yourself ...
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'd say Larry's pretty exposed.  Who'd like to supply the coup de grace?

Dave "PC" Clark
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From: puttk@b11.b11.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Homosexual Rights
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:05:22 GMT

gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:

>Michael.Konor@p0.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Konor) writes:


>I don't see any problem with HIV-positive soldiers either; I think 
>they'd be *great* embassy guards; no need to worry about them being
>seduced by the locals, causing security or conflict-of-interest
>problems....

Right...as long as it's in a country where there are no homosexual
locals or operatives that use homosexual temptations to entice our "gay"
guards. Faulty logic.

>> How do you feel on gays in the military?

>Who cares? 

You should.  Just as you should care that Clinton intends to place
homosexual(s) in high appointed positions as a sort of "affirmative
action" plan to lock in all those gay votes.  Homosexuals deserve our
compassion and concern, just as we should display toward anyone with any
other emotional problem.  Yes, IMHO, homosexuality is NOT an acceptable
way of life simply because groups of them band together and form PAC's
to gain political clout and drive the media to tout their lifestyle as
an acceptable "alternate".  It is and always will be an unnatural type
of behavior that merits our attention...not to accept it but to try to
correct it in a civilized and logical way.  Homosexuality goes against
the very future of mankind, and I for one will never support it or allow
it to be represented to my children as an acceptable way of life.  We
live in a wonderful country with many freedoms, but look around you and
see what abuse of freedom has brought our society to.  Being free
requires greater self-discipline.  It does NOT mean that "anything
goes". 


Ken

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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Rights
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:14:59 CST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

What basic human rights to you refer to. The only RIGHT that I
know of, which every person in the world will experience is
DEATH...and believe it or not, in America there's a law against
it! i.e. Suicide, 
Leah

 

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From: puttk@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt)
Subject: Re: Rights
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:23:41 GMT

Craig.Presson@f32.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Craig Presson) writes:

>*BZZZZZZZT* Exactly backwards, but thanks for playing.

2+3=5 and 3+2=5. Backwards but same result. It was Jefferson's belief 
(a correct one I might add) of course that these rights are inalienable.
Your "...should not be usurped by, government" statement points out the
FACT that, were it not for the Government we have instituted to protect
them, we would not enjoy those rights. Take a look at N. Korea, the "Peoples"
Republic of Vietnam, etc, etc, etc and tell me that such rights as we enjoy
are not a priviledge. Your enjoyment of the gallentry of the words does
not make them so. The world is far too cruel of a place for you to imagine
that rights precede the power of a government. Not if you are speaking
from a practical standpoint and not some etherial ideal of rights. Our
rights are a priviledge few people in this world enjoy, regardless of what 
you think we were born with. 

Ken

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