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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:52:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Sep3.155216.16196
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Sep03.111541.10927@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes:
>In article <1992Sep03.105123.10657@brtph560.bnr.ca>,
>psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes: 
>> Singles, doubles, triples, homers, runs scored, walks, at bats, and RBI
>> give a better than "likely" conclusion of the player's value to the
>> team, and you can calculate your three numbers from these stats. 

>Whoops! Forgot SACs....and maybe something else =8^) I also realized
>that RBI are dependent on other player's performances (not just an
>individual stat), but less so than, for instance, the PA vs RBI with
>RISP stat. Anyway, I digress.... 

No, you're actually getting closer to the mark.  RBI have just the
problem you describe; the other stat you mention is a partial fix of
the problem, but not as good as simply chucking RBI altogether and
eliminating that source of noise.  Take singles, doubles, triples,
homers, walks, HBP, AB, and plate appearances -- all individual stats --
and throw in the sacs and you can get OBP and SLG out of them.  Together,
a fine package.  Throw in SB and CS for good measure and you can calculate
some *very* fine indices of individual performance, e.g., Runs Created.

Check out Fielder's RC sometime.

Roger
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>Paul Jezioranski			|	What, me worry??
>psycho@bnr.ca				|
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: Little League WS semis
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:27:41 GMT

In article 715006883@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>Since this is rec.sport.BASEBALL, I thought I'd post something on the
>LLWS American championship. The team from Long Beach, CAL beat the team
>from Hamilton, NJ by a score of 1-0. Certainly a heartbreaking loss for
>the Jerseyans as their pitcher had a no-hitter going into the top of the
>6th and last inninng but gave up a solo home-run that lost 
>the game (the only hit he gave up).
>
>They will play Santo Domingo, Dominincan Republic who beat the
>Phillipine team.

Wrong, Bri. The Filipinos beat the Dominicans 5-1 yesterday. The Filipinos
will face Long Beach at 3:00 pm CDT Saturday.

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--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              |  Zamboanga City,
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |   Philippines: 1992 Little
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |   League WS Int'l Champs
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~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  "You got a problem
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |   with that?" 
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:51:19 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <1992Sep2.202702.14944@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>NUMBERS-SCHMUMBERS

>The reason Maddux has such a low era and low opp. batt avg is cause he pitches
>in the NL Least. If Glavine had that kind of opposition (remember, the pirates
>least leaders, would be lucky to be second in the west, and would be fourth
>potentially) he'd have Madduxe's numbers.

And the fact that the NL East has a slightly better record than the NL West,
and the fact that the Cubs have probably played more games at this
point against the NL West anyway - they don't mean much to you, do they?
Why let facts get in the way?

>Good pitchers find a way to win.

Total nonesense.  You mean to tell me that its just a coincidence that last
year Jim Abbott had an 18-11 record with  4.70 runs per game support and
this year has a 5-12 record with 2.40 runs per game support despite the fact
that he has had virtually the same ERA both years.

Now, by your definition, is he a good pitcher or a bad pitcher?   Oh, my
- his brain's going to explode!  Everybody out of the room quick!

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

 Last season, the braves went thru a string
>of giving Glavine less than 2 runs support (i think it was 5 starts in a row)
>but he still got the CY AND led the braves to the NL title.

So?  Talk about your stupid, meaningless stats!  Glavine had very good
support last year - 4.71 runs a game to be exact.

I bet almost every major league pitcher has a string of 5 games where they
get almost no support.  Why present such extraneous, nonsensical information?

Let's get down to reality here.  A pitcher is responsible for only about
35% of the elements that go into making his won-loss record.  Offensive
Support is about 50%, Defense is about 10%, and the bullpen is about 5%.
Actually, the bullpen affect may be more, so the actual figure may be
even less than 35%.  I'm not sure.

Anyway, when an individual is responsible for only 35% of the elements
which go into making a stat, it's safe to say that that stat says very
little about the individual at hand.

Greg 

-- 
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Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here) 
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From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for 3Bs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 23:25:33 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Gary Sheffield, Milwaukee	9.46
Terry Pendleton, Atlanta	6.25
Dave Magadan, New York		5.77
Ken Caminiti, Houston		5.75
Dave Hollins, Philadelphia	5.59
Jeff Kent, New York		5.09
NL AVERAGE			4.68
Steve Buechele, Chicago		4.57
Todd Zeile, St. Louis		4.52
Chris Sabo, Cincinnati		4.44
Bret Barberie, Montreal		3.75
Tim Wallach, Montreal		3.69
Matt Williams, San Francisco	3.66
Dave Hansen, Los Angeles	3.26

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Edgar Martinez, Seattle		9.35
Leo Gomez, Baltimore		6.45
Robin Ventura, Chicago		6.23
Gregg Jefferies, Kansas City	6.10
Rene Gonzales, California	5.61
Dean Palmer, Texas		5.37
Wade Boggs, Boston		5.36
AL AVERAGE			4.89
Carney Lansford, Oakland	4.84
Scott Leius, Minnesota		4.61
Kevin Seitzer, Milwaukee	4.60
Brook Jacoby, Cleveland		4.12
Scott Livingstone, Detroit	4.08
Charlie Hayes, New York		3.94
Kelly Gruber, Toronto		3.21
Gary Gaetti, California		3.17

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Quote of the day
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:41:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Btyp52.Dx7
Organization: Indiana University


Jose Canseco on being traded to Texas:
"Maybe it's an indication it's time to move on."


Never let it be said that Jose is the brightest guy in Dallas...

RStimets
From: chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Hui Mao)
Subject: Reds vs. Mets
Keywords: score
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:49:18 GMT

      Dose anybody post the scores of Reds/Mets series playing these two days?
   Thanks,

HM
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: the big trade
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:07:09 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I imagine that most of you by now have heard of the big deal pulled off last
night: Jeff Russell, Bobby Witt, and Ruben Sierra for Jose Canseco. From the
Texas perspective, this wasn't a bad trade (sorta). They weren't going to
resign Sierra, Witt had had 6-7 very mediocre years with the Rangers, and
Russell wasn't a reliable closer. Still, Witt and Russell were better than a
lot of the other warmbodies on the staff. Maybe Texas plans to trade Canseco
off during the off-season for some pitching (Pirates maybe? Especially since
they will probably lose Bonds?).


Brandon Cope
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sean Ross
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:28:13 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) wrote:

}He obviously can't hit.  Can he play defense?  Center field?  Is he as
}good as Devon White defensively?  If not, why do the Red Sox want him?

The Atlanta Constitution, describes Ross as "... a strong defensive
outfielder with leadoff speed."

Here's a grain of salt to go with that: .    ;-)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"Distant cousins, there's a limited supply ...
                                           big-eyed beans from Venus!"
From: gds@CS.UCLA.EDU (Greg Skinner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: BLOCKBUSTER TRADE!
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:09:05 GMT
Reply-To: gds@CS.UCLA.EDU (Greg Skinner)
Organization: too funky

The A's traded Jose Canseco to Texas for Ruben Sierra, Bobby Witt, and
Jeff Russell.

I just heard this during Game 2 of the Atlanta-NY doubleheader.
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Keywords: Flabbergasted Mets' Fans Demand to Know
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:48:07 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.172554.3164@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn) writes:
> 
> Well, who is he???
> 
> 
> And: is this all that a David Cone gets on the open market?
> 
> 
> Mets' fans stunned.
> 

Please, that's the Immortal Jeff Kent to you, bub!

Seriously, it sounds as if the Jays obtained pictures of the Mets GM cavorting
in the nude with the Seven Dwarves.


> Dick

-- 

Dan S.
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From: steveb@meaddata.com (Steve Brooke)
Subject: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:14:59 GMT

You can't ignore JoseLind's mug either!!!!
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From: menery@de3a1066a.osd.mil (Ristonofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 20-wins by August ??
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:59:42 GMT

With Tom Glavine going for his 20th win on 25 August, I was wondering
if anyone knows who was the last pitcher to have 20 wins before
September started.  Additionally, what was the earliest in the season
or calendar, for that matter, that a pitcher posted his 20th win.

--
Ristonofer
menery@galt.osd.mil
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Witty non-sequitir.
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From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.231243.8781@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton) writes:
|
|> >AL MVP
|> >I need suggestions here.  I'm personally gonna stick with Eck.
|> >McGwire was falling off, then got hurt.
|> 
|> As much of a god as he is on the net, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned
|> Frank Thomas.  Eck is a decent choice too, I think.
|
AL MVP

Although he won't get many (any?) votes, Carlos Baerga deserves mentioning as an MVP candidate for being the catalyst of the resurgent Indians...and he is having a helluva year.

DH
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Negro Leagues (WAS Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 20:33:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) says:

>
>In article <2SEP199214063717@mitme5.mit.edu> kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER,  
>THOMAS R.) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep2.150419.29270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>,  
>timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)   writes...
>> Well, all of you are forgetting Josh Gibson. He hit 800 home runs in the  
>Negro 
>> Leagues. It had many better players than those who were in the majors at  
>the 
>> same time including Satchel Paige, Cool Papa Bell, himself, etc. If any of  
>you 
>> feel that the Negro Leagues shouldn't count, then you and I disagree since 
>> practically all Negro League players could have played in the majors if it 
>> weren't for racist owners at that time.
>
>How do you know that he hit 800 HRs in the Negro Leagues?
>The guys who've actually gone back and counted them have 
>found less than 200. They also found more for Mule Suttles
>and Turkey Stearnes (sp?) than for Gibson.

     I read the book "Josh and Satch" over the summer, and it lists about
the same (200 or so), but these are in actual league games.  The Negro
Leaguers didn't play very many games at all, and Cool Papa Bell leads them
with something like 3300 at bats over his career.  The 800-970 totals are
probably for all the barnstorming games they played against local teams as
well.  To put it another way, Ruth hit 714 in the regular season, Aaron 755.
Now, add in their postseason and spring training blasts.  Here, you get a
more accurate reflection of their stats compared to Gibson's.  Not that he
wasn't great, it's just that he didn't play against the top pro Negro League
players as much.
     The book has some single-season and career records for the Negro Leagues,
and Gibson had a .352 career average, by the way.
-- 
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Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Guzman!
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:39:14 GMT
Keywords: Braves, Pirates, scores

In article <1992Aug24.131313.17775@sni.ca>
	dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.211007.3395@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>
	bagneltw@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Trevor W Bagnell) writes:

>Guzman is scheduled to start today for Syracuse.  He will throw 60 to 70
>pitches.  If he feels OK, he will start for the Jays against Milwaukee
>this weekend.

He said he feels fine after doing the game (wierd to see him in a Chiefs
uniform). He may start soon.

>BTW:  the scheduled starters against the White Sox are Doug Linton,
>David "Rotisserie Nightmare" Wells and Todd Stottlemyre.  (whimper...)

Don't forget that new fella, David Cone. He's expected to start as soon
as this weekend. Think Gillick can sign him long-term?

Sorry, Jeff, it was sad to see you go. But that's the biz. 

(Actually, the Jays can present an interesting rotation now. Sandwiching
a junk-thrower like Morris between Cone and a healthy Guzman could be
quite interesting...

-- 
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         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
    Was "Trouble" (from the Broadway Show, Music Man) the first rap song?
From: hobbs@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Gerald R Hobbs,317K,24,2910581)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:24:20 GMT
Originator: hobbs@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu

From article <2248@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu>, by Gerry Hobbs:
> In article <5440@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>>Thus spake 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard):
>>>
>>>  
> This is a test
 
Now I'm trying to test my test
       Gerry

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From: jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: HURRICANE ANDREW...
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:13:12 GMT
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

In article <92238.233207IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:

>By the way, hurricanes are no excuse for domes, either. What good
>would a baseball game be without anyone around to see it? Not to
>mention the havoc it would play on the roof...

Maybe a good hurricane would be the final solution to domed stadia.  If we 
could just figure out how to get a hurricane to Montreal....

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This may be an old joke, but ..

I just heard that the Red Sox magic number is 911 :-)

Lynch "MOB"
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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:31:53 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

August 26
Sparky Adams, 1894
Alex Kellner, 1924
Rowdy Gene Moore, 1909
Alex Trevino, 1957
Jesse Barnes, 1892
Jeff Parrett, 1961
Carlos Quintana, 1965
Tom Poholsky, 1929

--Steve
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:26:41 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Sep1.150405.15602@news.iastate.edu>, jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson) says:
>_HOW_ can you possibily say Wrigley field is a hitter's ballpark?  

Because it *is* a hitter's ballpark, perhaps? (*slap* on the forehead,
duuh, shoulda thought of that!)

>How many times has the wind blown out this season? 6? 7?

Who cares?  Whether or not the wind makes a difference, there
is more offense at Wrigley than on the road.

> Wrigley field has given up less homers than the Astrodome this year.
> Come on!

Who cares?

There is more offense at Wrigley than on the road.  What does
that say about the ballpark?

-- 
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: RC/27 for RFs
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:44:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.203740.27220@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu) writes:
>NATIONAL LEAGUE
[1.]>Larry Walker, Montreal		6.42
[2.]>Bobby Bonilla, New York		6.37

>AMERICAN LEAGUE
[1.]>Danny Tartabull, New York		7.90

Looks like this year's free agent signings in New York weren't so bad
after all...

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         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
         here i sit looking for a warming smile in a house of cold wit
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: OH! Sherri won't like this. (Re: Sierra to be traded?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:46:43 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <BtKLz0.89H@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder) writes:
>Actually, it isn't THAT stupid.  After all, it's better to get a prospect than
>a draft pick,

Why do you think it's better to get a prospect than a draft pick?  True,
you know a little better what you're getting with the prospect, but that's
not the only factor that's important.  You should also be concerned with
how good the player is likely to be.  In other words, would you rather have
the prospect who projects to be a Rafael Belliard, with some certainty, or
a younger player who projects to be an above average major leaguer, with a
larger degree of uncertainty?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Fri, Sep 4th, 1992
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:15:00 GMT

In article <67661@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt2807a@prism.gatech.EDU (Benjamin H. Cowan writes...
>In article <44698@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
>[stats deleted]
>>NATIONAL LEAGUE				AMERICAN LEAGUE
>[other scores delete]
>>
>>Montreal       11			California   IDLE
>>Atlanta	4			Cleveland    IDLE
>>
>>Los Angeles  IDLE			Minnesota    IDLE
>>Montreal     IDLE			New York     IDLE
> 
>  Hmmmm... Montreal has made an excellent comeback this year, but I don't
>think that even they could pull this one off.  :-)
> 
Actually, the idle indicates the change in the number of games Montreal is 
behind Pittsburgh because although Montreal has had the best record of 
contending teams in the last roughly 25 games, the second best belongs to 
Pittsburgh. ::-(

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: dmeister@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Darren Meister)
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Keywords: Flabbergasted Mets' Fans Demand to Know
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.214710.29968@news.columbia.edu> mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.183211.15668@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.172554.3164@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn) writes:
>>>And: is this all that a David Cone gets on the open market?
>>What did you expect?  He *is* a free agent in five weeks.  Besides,
>>don't forget the PTBNL.  It could very likely be Ed Sprague or
>>somebody like that.
>>Cheers,
>>-Valentine
>>Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
>Heard that rumor is that the Mets will get Ryan Thompson as the PTBNL.
>/mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

During an interview, Pat Gillick said that the PTBNL would have to be somebody
not one the current 25 man major league roster (or DL) in accordance with the
rules. If somebody has a rule book maybe they can clear this up.
-- 
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