From: s14243dm@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: A German who was in Greece
Reply-To: s14243dm@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:45:31 GMT

In article <9210010613.AA06830@sungate.icsmac.com>, gunther.neuberger@icsmac4.icsmac.COM (GUNTHER NEUBERGER) writes:
>--------------------I wrote-----------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Hello everybody,
>> I am new in this newsgroup.For the last three weeks I have read hundreds of
>> articles on the Macedonia issue and I think it's the funniest thing
>> in the last century.As I got deeper and deeper into the discussions 
>> I realized that Greek opinions carry some sort of paranoia which can
>> be best summarized as the territorial claims on Greece by Macedonia,
>> where some organizations at the extreme right in Macedonia are held
>> responsible.That's really funny.How can such a small country claim land
>> from Greece? Aggressive policies of the greek government have made the
>> situation impossible to solve.
>> I was in Greece two months ago.Me and my girlfriend visited some Greek
>> islands which were wonderful but one thing really bothered me.
>> The sentence,"Macedonia is Greek" was written on almost everything I saw.
>> They had even written this sentence on the walls of public restrooms,
>> on the closets and doors of these restrooms.
>> It seemed as if whomever I met in Greece was more than eager to say
>> something bad about Macedonia and Turkey.
>> I have also visited Turkey.Before we flew to Istanbul,many Greeks warned
>> me to be careful about my girlfriend!.After being in Istanbul we realized
>> how silly and wrong this warning was.I really don't know why Greeks 
>> behave like this?
>> 
>-------------------------------Miss Perena wrote------------------------------
>-I am impressed to hear a German talking about prejudice of Greeks against
>-Turks and Skopjians! It is well known that the Germans are the ones obsessed
>-with foreigners (especially Turks). At least the Greeks do not KILL Turks, as
>-the Germans do. 
>-Please, next time try not to be so naive and prevent yourself from criticising
>-without having sufficient knowledge of the subject. Serious criticism is 
>-always welcome.
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>
>Miss Perena,First of all,I would like to thank you for replying to me.
>Unfortunately I got confused when I read your article.As you know,
>(or don't you?), this newsgroup is a place to discuss on subjects,freely.
>As a netter,I told my opinions and observations about the Macedonia issue.
>They were solely my opinions.But I really didn't understand what you meant
>by saying, "next time try not to be so naive and prevent yourself from 
>criticising WITHOUT HAVING SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUBJECT",for I think
>anyone is entitled to express his/her view on this network,not just 
>experts(whomever they may or claim to be).Secondly,your comment indicates that
>you really haven't read most of the postings on this newsgroup since most of
>them ARE purely one-sided,prejudiced criticisms.
>I would like to ask you a specific question:"IS THIS YOUR OPINION ABOUT
>DEMOCRACY?,EXPRESSED AS "SHUT UP!YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS SUBJECT".
>I would like to invite you to reviewe your understanding of democracy.
>You mean,my criticism is not serious.And what makes you so qualified to act
>as the judge of this newsgroup??.Probably not your nothing but childish and
>reactive comment,"At least the Greeks do not KILL Turks, as the Germans do".
>Anyway,as I told earlier,those were my opinions in light of my observations 
>in Greece.
>
>Sorry if the truth insulted you.
>
>  	Viele Gruesse,
>
>mr. heuberger, you may indeed find macednia's claims to greece strange but they are grounded in history ancient but none theless
legitimate. In brief, mainland Greece was conquered and brought to heel under the reigns of Philip II of Macedonia and hiis son
with which you are no doubt more familiar _ Alexander the Great.

Mrs. pereno your rather acerbic reply to Mr heubergers question reveals a considerable "naivete" of your own - to whit- Greeks did
indeed at several points in history kill Turks. They could hardly hAve avoided doing so during the war for Greek independence
during the 1820's. You are certainly correct in saying that people s of germanic descent killed Turks but you are most ignorant of
tthe fact that one of the principal albeit weak components of the triple alliance of 1914 comprised the turks of the Ottoman empie.
I suggest you delve more deeply, if at all, into history texts before lambasting those you consider ignorant of history.
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