From: mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (Martin Hulsey)
Subject: Re: Hitler (was "A rat is a pig is a.....")
Followup-To: talk.politics.animals
Organization: Dept. Foods & Nutrition, Univ. of GA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:15:21 GMT

In article <BzDr0n.408@wpg.com>, russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) wrote:
> 
> > I admit no such thing.  I am no less qualified than you to evaluate this
> > evidence-- unless, of course, your mysterious, top secret, "ivy-league
> > degree" is in history.
> 
> How would you know, Martin???   I speak and read french with some 
> fluency, and once upon a time, I was reasonably adept in reading 
> german.  I'm rusty now, but with a little practice I'm sure I could
> pass the kind of exam that might be administered to "PhD" candidates 
> in history.   You, on the other hand, are apparently limited to 
> parroting the opinions of the endocrinologist-historians who've
> contribute their work, not to a publication devoted to historical
> studies, but to _Endocrinology_.  Go figure.

My reference in Endocrinology was simply a pointer to a German *historical
reference* which, in turn, cited a *primary* reference to the Nazi press. 
This primary reference contains a passage that proclaimed Nazi support for
the "rights" of animals.  The forthcoming translation will indicate the
veracity of my claim.

> >> In the past, you've criticized Dr. Neil Barnard for offering nutritional
> >> advice to american citizens... presumably because Barnard has a degree in
> >> medicine rather than "nutrition science".    In view of such criticism,
> >> don't you think it's kinda hypocritical for you to promote these "nazi"
> >> allegations, given the fact that you can't read german and apparently
> >> have little expertise (if any) in historical studies?
> > 
> > Not at all.  You apparently cannot or will not understand the difference
> > between posting to UseNet and making a press conference calling for
> > alteration of dietary recommendations for Americans.
> 
> Why don't you explain it to me, Martin?   Are you saying that discussions
> taking place in the medium of newspapers and television should meet
> a different set of standards than the discussions that take place in
> the medium of usenet?    What gives you the right to set such standards?

Usenet participants are computer literate and educated.  As such, they are
better equipped to recognize the misinformation that comes from PCRM or
you.  The consumers of newspaper and television media are less capable, and
are more susceptable to being mislead about important issues of health &
nutrition.

It is deceitful for the so-called "Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine" to mislead the public into believing that they represent
mainstream medical thought, when they are actually a fringe group
representing a slim minority of physicians.  It is deceitful also for them
to suggest altering NAS-NRC dietary recommendations when no one at PCRM,
particularly Barnard, has training in nutrition.

> > [...]
> >> Your facts are grossly insufficient.
> > 
> > My facts, referenced in the Nazi press, are sufficient to prove that Nazi
> > Germany proclaimed support for animal "rights."
> 
> Not really.  You haven't even defined your terms, much less proven
> that your claims have any real merit.
> 
> > ...
> >> - Please specify the full set of "rights" that were proclaimed by the
> >>   "nazi press"?
> > 
> > Why?  This is not the issue.
> 
> Uh huh.  You'd have us believe that the nazis were "animal rights"
> advocates, yet you refuse to disclose the precise set of "rights" 
> in question.

After we evaluate whether or not the Nazis proclaimed support for animal
"rights," we may investigate the ramifications of that proclaimed support. 
As I said earlier, it is irrelevant whether or not the Nazi concept of
animal "rights" is congruent with yours.
 
>[...]
> > The term "vivisection" is the same in English as German.
> 
> Please define the term, Martin.

Please look it up yourself.

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mhulsey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu                      Society for Neuroscience
Martin G. Hulsey                              National Rifle Association
Dept. Foods & Nutrition      Society for the Study of Ingestive Behavior
University of Ga.    North American Association for the Study of Obesity
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