From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:17:20 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>In article <BzGL99.IHz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
>>I refer you to World War I and the infamous "Rape of the Belgium Nuns."
>>At that time similar allegations were trumpeted in this country. Predictably,
>>an outraged U.S. citizenry called for action on the part of the U.S.
>>to put a halt to such horrors on the part of the evil "Hun." (i.e. German)

>I refer you to World War II and the infamous "Nazi death camps."  At that time
>similar allegations were trumpeted....

>and it was worse than people had ever imagined.

>I wonder, do you believe the Holocaust ever happened?  (And before someone
>quotes the usual wisdom about mentioning Nazis in arguments, let me point out I
>have my own corollary, which says that it doesn't apply when the topic is
>actually related to Nazis.)

Yes, I believe that the Holocaust happened. I wish though that I had
sufficient time to read the arguments pro and con and be able to
reach my own conclusion. However, since I don't have a year to delve
deeply into the issue, I base my opinion that yes, there really was
a holocaust, on the fact that those claiming that there was no
holocaust have waited so long to step forward. In other words,
where were all these "no holocaust" theorists 30 or 40 years ago?
The answer is that 30 or 40 years ago there were too many living
death camp survivors for them to be able to float their theory.
The reason they are floating this theory now is that 30 or 40
years ago it would have been laughed off as being ridiculous. 30
or 40 years ago, the thousands of survivors of the death camps
would have been still alive to clearly refute these theorists.
Now that more time has passed, these theorists can get away with
floating their theory, knowing full well that very few people have
the time to investigate it and reach their own conclusion.

So I personally think that yes, the Holocaust did happen. And from
this I would say that yes, we were right to enter WWII (although
I don't think that we entered it with the purpose of putting a
halt to the death camps). I agree with Studs Terkel in that
WWII was (as the title of his book suggests) "The Good War."
So, in theory, there is the possibility that the U.S. can do some
good by going to war. *However this is normally not the case*
Normally, the U.S. has gone to war soley for economic reasons
and rarely (the one exception *maybe* being WWII) for the cover
reasons it gives for these wars to the people. (e.g. the "War
to end all wars," "the rape of the Belgium nuns," "to end slavery,"
"remember the Maine," "to stop the spread of communism," "babies
are being yanked out of incubators," etcetera) 

World War I began in this same region (Bosnia-Hercegovina). By
reading between the lines of the newscasts I have been seeing
lately, it is apparent to me that hidden power is very *hot* at
the moment to get involved over there. 

My fear is that by going to war in Bosnia-Hercegovina (henceforth
referred to as "B-H") we will just escalate the conflict. I
empathize with any and all who feel outraged at the alleged atrocities
that they are being spoon-fed by the propaganda machinery of hidden
power. Your feelings of outrage are exemplary of all that is noble
in the human being. *But that is what hidden power is using to
manipulate you.*  If we go into that region with guns and tanks and
planes and what ever else, we are just going to compound the problem.

Why don't we see such a barrage of news about the problem of
homelessness? Imagine if every night for months the news networks
were giving us graphic footage on the sufferings of homeless and
hungry families in the U.S. (I don't mean once every 3 months
but night after night as they are now doing with B-H.) Why
don't they bombard us with pictures of the suffering going on
in our cities? Answer: These people don't give a damn about the
suffering, no matter where it occurs. They just want to rev up
the economy.

Don't fall for what they are handing you.


Brian Redman
(bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
"Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."



>--
>"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
>the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
>disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

>Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)