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From: cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:24:40 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <BvAx3p.8ny@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
.......
>
>Both are incorrect.  The U.S.  has no mandatory category called
>"Maternity leave", and it deserves its zero.  American women who become pregnant
>are dependent on sick leave or disability leave if their jobs offer them,
>and many jobs don't.  That's why some of us crypto-Socialists thought
>the Family Leave Act, although not sufficient, was necessary.
>
........
>-- 
>Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
>Hewlett-Packard Company
>"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
>considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."

I see by your signature line that you may disdain those who fantasize, or at
least mix fantasy with reality.  Am I right?  I am sure that I do not 
agree with government enforcement of utopian fantasy programs; such as
family leave.  I think we can pick and choose who we work for in most
instances and I do not want to unduly burden our business structure with
welfare programs that the government should handle (with the support of
voter approval).  I think that we should allow companies to pay appropriate
wages for the productivity they get in return.  I believe this is why 
females are paid less as a general rule, i.e., they get pregnant and take
too much time off and disrupt the work schedule.

Your Turn!

	love, craig


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Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA  94088
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: Fmaily leave (was: ...so little vacation time?)
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:31:03 GMT

In article <1aetntINNrt8@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
>In article <BvFBAK.FB1@world.std.com> ttraub@world.std.com (Terry Traub) writes:
>>And, young married women might find it a bit harder to find a job.
>
>   Spoken like a true sexist.  As a young married male who has a job
>which provides for family leave, I intend to take full advantage of
>it when the time comes.  Why would being female make a difference?

Everyone knows that the Politikally Korrect response is that females are
just as good at everything as males, and if males can get along with 5/days
leave per year to cover their medical requirements, then so can females.
Anyone that thinks otherwise is obviously a sexist! Femminists go beyond
being  P.K. and insist that females are better than males, and so one must
conclude that they need less time off for medical reasons than do males. 
Personally, I might buy this for the sexually inert, but I have a difficult
time believing that 5 days is enough time to cope with the medical stress of
pregnancy, labor, and delivery. I also have a difficult time imagining that
a typical newlywed is sexually inert.

Why should being married make a difference, either?  But the real question is,
"Is it legal in this country to show hiring preference to people that are more
likely to be there when the company needs them?"  The Politikally Korrekt
answer is "Not if the gender of the job candidate or their degree of sexual
activity is considered a factor."

orville

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Certified Data Processor                     POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Certified Systems Professional                   Voice: (602) 391-0821
Certified Computer Programmer            Internet: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net
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From: kmurali2@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: info wanted EE jobs in NZ
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:29:01 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

X-NEWS: uoft02 soc.culture.new-zealand: 3549
From: kmurali2@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Eng. Jobs in NZ
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:25:42 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


Hi netters,

What is the demand for Electrical Engineers in NZ? I am a foreign born US
educated student with 1.5 years US experience.

Please send your replies to my e-mail address.

thanks,
murali.k
From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com ("Johnson")
Subject: Re: Geographic-based split for misc.jobs.offered?
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:44:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.145835.1697@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil>, bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann) writes:
=)	Is there any interest in splitting misc.jobs.offered into geographic
=)regions?  Such as:
=)
=)	.offered.usa.west
=)		    .east
=)		    .south
=)		    .midwest
=)		    .other (eg national, covers two or more of the above, etc)
=)		.canada
=)		.europe
=)        ...
=)	
=)	It seems that a lot of people are looking for jobs in a specific
=)region, and this would help narrow it down.  This is not to say that a job post
I've said before, and I'll say again, I think a better breakdown would be
to arrange it according to major job classifications, i.e.,

m.j.o.network
     .software
     .hardware
     .sales
     .academic
     .misc
...etc.  Borderline cases could be crossposted.  My experience is that, at
some point in your career, you will go where the job is that best suits and
rewards you.  IMHO, people sort more on career type than on location.  I
can more easily imagine responding to an offer in a different town than one
in a different field or profession.
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From: df2tg2n@ties.bell-atl.com (Steve Rosen)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Contract with F/T option question
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: df2tg2n@shoes.bell-atl.com
Organization: Bell Atlantic - Phila, PA

Anybody have any opinions or experience related to being offered a contract
position that can turn into a F/T position?  Specifically, I am referring
to being told this right up from from a recruiter.  What would be the
primary motivation for doing this by a company?  I don't know if I should
be suspicious of this or not.  I have no objection to F/T if the position
is a good one for a good organization.  E-mail responses please.

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               {Voice}: (215) 466-2061, {FAX}: (215) 563-0517
                     E-Mail: steve.rosen@bell-atl.com

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg)
Subject: Re: Jobs in Sweden..
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:53:07 GMT



     I would recommend you to put your question in soc.culture.nordic 
     which has a much more scandinavian audience than misc.jobs.misc.
     What kind of companies are you interested in? Do you speak Swedish?
     If you give a little more detailed information about what you're
     looking for, chances are better you get valuable replies. If you're
     interested in Sweden and the other Nordic countries, check
     soc.culture.nordic out! (One of the best groups IMHO)


     Best Regards

      Mats Winberg
      Stockholm,Sweden
From: isler@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Sylvia Isler)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Contacts at Apple, SGI, and Sun Microsystems
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:12:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello,
I will graduate with a Masters degree in May '93 and I wish to contact
people in personnel at the following companies which incidentally,
will not be doing on-campus interviews at Penn.

o Apple Computer
o SGI
o Sun Microsystems

If anyone knows to whom I should send my resume and cover letter at
any of these companies, please send me mail.

Thank you very much,

Sylvia Isler
isler@gradient.cis.upenn.edu

Sylvia Isler
isler@gradient.cis
From: greg@octopus.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:56:35 GMT
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc

orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:

>Not true -- if you want to maintain the standard of living of the past, you
>can probably get by just fine with a single "bread-winner" plus a full-time
>"home-maker".

Wishful thinking Orville...Are you single or married?  And, if married,
does your wife work?

>>Bush's mean-spirited and cynical veto of the Family Leave bill makes
>>this even more acute as families wishing or forced to expand are faced with
>>a number of rather unattractive choices:

>Personally, I see nothing mean-spirited or  cynical about it -- the  economy
>simply has no resources to pay for this without eliminating some other
>fringe-benefit.

I never understood this line of reasoning.  I grew up understanding
that the United States was both the most powerful and richest
nation on the planet.  Yet, you argue that we cannot afford basic
governmental support of the family while several other, smaller
and poorer, nations are doing just that.

>And I would pay for it by castrating/sterilizing those on the
>public dole that have more than two children.

Oh, that's real sweet.

>>1.  Lowered educational requirements for all jobs and cash incentives to
>>    those who choose to and are successful in entering the labor pool
>>    permanently after their sixteenth year of schooling.

>Pay folks to drop out?  Declare that they don't need to know so much for their
>jobs? Sounds like the dang-fool state legislature that considered passing a
>law stating that the value of pi was the ratio of two small integers?

Please take some reading comprehension courses Orville.  Note that
I did not advocate that people "drop out" - rather that they enter
the labor pool after they complete their college education.

Nice jab at my geographic location too.  I was born in Boston, and lived
thirteen years between Boston, California, Northern Africa, and
Europe before I settled in the midwest.  If we're going to get catty,
Arizona isn't exactly known for it's, umm, intellectual stimulation.

>>2.  National Health Care.
>>3.  Paid family medical and crisis leave of up to one year.
>>6.  Mandatory minimum five week vacation.

>Paid for by whom?
>You have to pull the resources to pay for this out of some other part of
>the economy, which will lower some other aspect of the standard of living.

Sure, in the richest nation on the planet.

>>7.  The abolition of tenure in the education system.

>I'm not sure what ax you are grinding here, but I don't think that tenured
>professors make up a significant proportion of the U.S. work force.

I had to throw this in just to see if you were listening.

greg
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Bloomington, IN			     greg@indiana.edu (For the others)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Subject: Job fairs during 11/92
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:29:54 GMT

Job fairs during 11/92:

11/2		NCC	Chicago, IL
11/2		NCC	Houston, TX
11/2-11/3	PE 	Philadelphia, PA
11/6-11/7	NCC	Fayetteville, NC
11/9		NCC	Philadelphia, PA
11/9-11/10	PE 	Chicago, IL
11/9-11/10	TS	Chicago, IL
11/10-11/11	BPI	Dallas, TX
11/16		NCC	Detroit, MI
11/16-11/17	PE	Detroit, MI
11/16		NCC	San Diego, CA

The organization sponsoring the job fairs is identified by the following codes:
	BPI	BPI, 508-988-0881 (ask for Nick Harding)
	NCC	National Career Centers, 914-483-0413 or 800-326-9111
	PE	Professional Exchange, 804-431-0804 or 800-338-4530
	TS	Terra-Starr, 312-649-5887 (Jeff Baron), or
		804-622-8978 (Eloise Wood)

The job fairs listed are not necessarily oriented to computer or high-tech jobs.
Please contact the sponsor for details, and before making firm plans.

If you know of other organizations running job fairs, please let me know
so I can include their info in future lists.  Thanks.
					Eli
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mehr@fluke.tc.fluke.com (Manooch Mehr)
Subject: Millian and Robertson
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:24:34 GMT



    Hi :

      Has anybody heard of this company in downtwon Seattle. The company is called
      Millian and Robertson. I'll appriciate if you email me your response.


								Manooch
From: kdq@quest.UUCP (Kevin D. Quitt)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Family Leave Act
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 10:35:08 PDT
Reply-To: srhqla!quest!kdq
Organization: Job quest  (805) 251-8210,  So Cal: (800) 400-8210

betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>                         
> *Somebody asked if women's rate of heart attack and stroke wasn't
> rising.  It is, but it is still significantly lower than men's up
> until menopause.  Estrogen seems to be involved; women who take
> estrogen supplements after menopause continue to have lower rates of
> heart attack and stroke.

According to a study done in Iceland, it's your level of iron.  More
iron -> more heart attacks.  Premenopausal women have lower iron levels
because of blood loss.  The study needs to be duplicated elsewhere on a
larger scale before everbody will buy into the results, but it sure
does explain a lot (e.g. eating beef, eating liver, fish oil (which
makes you shed iron), etc.).

 _
Kevin D. Quitt                                 Job Quest (805) 251-8210
srhqla!quest!kdq                               Learn How to Get a Job in SoCal

                96.37% of all statistics are made up.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: akerson@deimos.srg.af.mil (Pete Akerson - akerson%srg@uunet.uucp)
Subject: Re: Cash Prizes for Ideas on Saving U.S. Jobs
Organization: ARINC Research, Corp.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 13:14:40 GMT




paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) wrote :

>I've heard a number of arguments against the minimum wage -- that
>it's inflationary, that it causes labor to be priced out of its own
>market, etc.

>So I've got a question (and this is a serious question, not flame-bait):
>Absent a minimum-wage law, what can a society do to ensure that a
>working wage is a living wage?

I'm not convinced that the powers running 'society' (govt.) care.
Seems to me that all this jabber about a 'world-economy' essentially
ammounts to the rich having decided to average the standards of living
for the working on a world-wide basis.
While averaging, it should take a long time for the property values in, say
Baltimore to level with those in, say, Juarez.
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: Where all that vacation time went!
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:17:56 GMT

paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis) writes:

>>	I happened to spy a graphic in tonight's paper.  It's
>>entitled "School Vacations (Average length of summer vacations
>>for primary and secondary schools):"
>>
>>	U.S.	12 weeks, France 11, Italy 8, Germany 7, Japan 6
>>
>>	So that's it!  We give up vacation time as adults because
>>we get so much as kids :-)

>Yes... well, there's a big push in a lot of areas to go to some
>form of year-round schooling.  However, I don't see that as the
>precursor to increasing the amount of adult vacation time.  Rather,
>I see it as a way of getting kids accustomed to keeping the ol' nose
>to the grindstone 12 months a year.... 8-(

	Hmmm...the few areas that I've seen that are interested in
	trying year-round schooling wouldn't increase the amount of time
	that the students are in school.  The main proposals are like
	the one outlined below:

	Divide the school-age population into four groups.  The first
	group has their break from Jan-Mar, the second from Apr-Jun,
	the third from Jul-Sep and the fourth from Oct-Dec.  This allows
	a school to be used year round (instead of sitting idle for so
	long), and makes better use of the resources.  It also means that
	schools would be able to have smaller classes for the number of
	students in that school at any given time and that more students
	could attend the same school.  Teachers could probably also be
	hired shift-wise with different break periods to deal with the
	different groups.

	I haven't heard of any year-round schooling proposals that
	advocate increasing the school year significantly.  I've heard of
	some through NPR news and others through discussions at work from
	co-workers who have school-age children.

	Ted Ying			ted@rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
	Hughes/STX			Goddard Space Flight Center
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: serg@cbe.chel.su (Maklyak Sergey Sergeevich)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Attention!! Employers. Former russian officer is seeking to a job.
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:58:28 GMT
Reply-To: serg@cbe.chel.su
Organization: Centre of Business Expertise


                             Dear Sirs!
I'm looking for a job abroad. My name is Sergey Glazyrin.
I'm former first leutenant of the Russian Army. After
finishing Suvorov Military School I entered to Higher
Military Engineering Automobile School and graduated from
it at 1992. My civil occupation is engineer - mechanic of
automobiles . I'm 22 and i have international passport.
I speak English firely well and now I seeking to a job.
I have strong health, driver's license B,C,E; practical
knowledge of computer, skills of interpreter and marketing.
I haven't bad habits. Reliable, effective and confidential
of carrying- out job are guaranteed. Any other job
suggestion are possible. Please, give me answer by E-Mail.

          Yours faithfully  Sergey Glazyrin.
From: ridgway@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Douglas T Ridgway)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Employment agencies
Summary: Good experiences?
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:08:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.1aom58INNnk2
Distribution: world
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdphu1.ucsd.edu

Has anyone successfully used an employment agency to land
an entry level position?  I haven't heard anything positive about
them from job books, the net, etc., but I can't see what the big
disadvantages are.  It seems like most peoples' complaints are that they
took/interviewed for a job for which they were not ideally suited,
but this could happen whether or not you were using an agency.

I have a few questions:
 1. Has anyone had a good experience using an employment agency
    to find an entry level  job?
 2. Might companies think less of a resume presented by an employment
    agency than of the same resume received directly from the
    applicant?
 3. If a company were to receive your resume both directly and
    through the employment agency, would they be under any
    obligation to deal with the agency?

I would appreciate any insight from either the job-search or hiring
side of the question.  Thanks in advance.

		cherilyn    dridgway@ucsd.edu
From: carole@rembrandt.Sun.COM (Carole Parker)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Career action center, Palo Alto.
Date: 26 Sep 1992 07:07:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: rembrandt

In article <r+6nj_r.sbale@netcom.com> sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I have seen the advertisement of Career Action center, Sherman Ave. Palo Alto.
>Have anybody attended their workshops? I am planning to attend some workshops.
>
>Any suggestions/comments?
>
The Career Action Center has an *excellent* reputation and will *not* rip
you off.  They also have a library that can be very helpful.

Hmmmmm, time for me to make a visit there myself.

Good luck on your job hunting.


I found myself. See? I'm right here! Until later--

Carole Parker
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com ("Johnson")
Subject: Re: Salary History?
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:20:03 GMT

In article <ted.717701631@sage0>, ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
=)bkottmann@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Brett Kottmann) writes:
=)
=)>	If a company asked for my salary history, I would ask why they wanted
=)>it.  There aren't any good justifications that I can think of right now, but it
=)	True.  No good justification, but some poor ones that make sense
=)	(but still aren't good).  For example, I have heard that a company
=)	will ask to make sure that they can afford a salary that you would
=)	ask for.  Also if the budget is tight for the job they are offering,
=)
A perfectly reasonable request, until you look at it in the same context as
a related thread--why most companies don't publish salary ranges for a job.
This would solve the above problem quite nicely, since people wouldn't even
apply for a job with a salary range unattractive to them.  Human resources
types have mirror-image justifications for these practices; it's interesting
to see how people's viewpoints change depending on their perception of their
best interests.  Another contraindication of the validity of the above
theory is that they usually don't ask you for salary history until *after*
the interview, when it's much too late to abort the process on that
basis; obviously, the only thing to be affected at that point is the
offer itself.

My own approach, if salary range isn't mentioned, is to go out on the
interview, and what the heck, if they're not offering what I'm asking,
it's a free vacation.
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From: gfarrar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gregory j farrar)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: salary for new graduates
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:22:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvCLHr.9yE
Organization: Indiana University

What range of salary could a person who has just graduated with a 4 year 
computer science degree expect to be offered ??

Thanks,

Greg Farrar
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc