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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: The Beatles Live (was:Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:51:09 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Aug13125229@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.143256.21938@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>   Poor recording of a sloppy performance.  
>
>
>Poorly recorded, definitely; sloppy, maybe; the BEST live Beatles
>recording, unquestionably. The later concert recordings, on which they
>feebly attempt to recreate the wonders of their studio recordings, are
>pitiful compared to this. The Beatles first made their mark as a
>performing band, not a recording band, and the Star Club sets seem to
>be the only tapes in existence that might explain that aspect of their
>appeal. And it really isn't as sloppy as all that...
>

However (IMHO), the various quasi-legal Star Club packages do not compare
to the various bootlegs of similar Hamburg material.  Witness the "Beatles
vs. The Third Reich" boot, where the boys are a lot more interested, and a
lot less drunk.  Similarly, the NME Pollwinners shows are miles beyond these
tapes.  As far as the Beatles live shows go, most of the concerts from the
1963-1964 era show the boys having a good time, excited and entertained by
the wonders of world adulation.  The musicianship was generally only average,
but that was due to the fact that the boys were touring the world with 
equipment comparable to that an upper-echelon bar band would be using today.
(cf:  Lewisohn, and his comments about the "desk top mixing board", and the
obvious problem that the boys couldn't hear themselves above the crowd).

You also have to remember that according to George Martin, the early albums
(pre-"Help!") were recorded with the intention that the songs would
be performed live, and sound like the record.  Listening to the "Beatles at
the Beeb", it is quite obvious that they were capable of recreating the
records in an (approximately) live environment.  Far from "feebly attempting
to recreate the wonders of their studio recording."

So, what do I think?  I say search out the original release of these tapes
on vinyl.  (The two record set)  Everything is included, and the sound is
as good as it's gonna get. (ie: the CD can't sound any better when the source
is in such bad shape).  Worth it just to hear the working version of "I
Saw Her Standing There".  It is just too bad that a Cavern-era performance
tape (other then the Granada stuff, or the rehearsal that's available) is
not available, so we could hear the Beatles live at their very best.

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: ab3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arthur Edgar Bucholtz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles novelty list
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:14:27 GMT
Organization: Senior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>	Farther afield, there's the music from the satirical film "The Rutles"
>It doesn't specifically send up any particular songs but does a good job
>parodying the various musical styles of the Beatles' career.  The music is
>by Neil Innes and the film was produced by George Harrison, who also has a
>cameo role.
>[album: Rhino CD #R2 75760   movie: <AKA "The Rutles--All You Need Is Cash">
>Broadway Video/Pacific Arts Video Records, Pacific Arts Building,
>Carmel, CA 93923 ]

A Couple Additions:

There was recently (this year) released a 'indie-rock' cover LP of
Rutles songs on Shimmy Disc Records in New York. Featuring bands like
Unrest and Shonen Knife (from Japan.)

Also just a couple months ago the New York 'new music' club the Knitting
Factory released a CD of beatles covers recorded at the Knitting Factory
by various New York 'new music' groups/people such as Lydia Lunch (doing
"Why don't we do it in the road"), Eugene Chadbourne, Marc Ribot. The
record label I believe is Knitting Factory Works. 

Unfortunately I know of no covers of "You Know My Name Look Up The Number."

----Ed Bucholtz 91.08.17
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: awp@world.std.com (Alan W Pollack)
Subject: Best Beatles Live (was: Re: Beatles:Live at the Star Club)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:00:10 GMT

Richard Shapiro writes:

>era, I'd love to hear them! And I'll happily retract my statement that
>the Star Club records are the best live Beatles :) 
>
>I should add that the extensiveness of the Star Club recordings is an
>important factor as well. There may be individual live tracks from
>1963 that are better than this, but the breadth of repertoire on Star
>Club makes them hard to beat. 

	
	IMHO, the best live Beatles performance preserved for us
	is the Sweedish radio concert of 10/24/63, best known on
	bootleg as the "Stars of '63".  

	Granted, the Star Club tape comes from a unique period of
	their career; after breaking through on the charts with a
	couple singles but still 6 weeks before cutting their first
	whole album.  The "Stars of '63" by contrast comes at a
	point where they had just about completed the *second*
	album.

	Still, I think the later performance is top notch in terms
	of simulataneously high grades in sound performance (good
	mono -- slightly boomy and out of balance but not much
	noise factor either), tightness of performance, and most
	of all, the palpable sense of pumping adrenalin that comes
	right through the relatively primitive recording.

	You don't have to take my word for it entirely, either.
	Correct me if I'm wrong, but John himself went on record
	point to this as his favorite live Beatles recording; no ?


	Alan (awp@bitstream.com *OR* uunet!huxley!awp)


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From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "God" from JL/POB
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:51:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <14942@ksr.com> clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) writes:
>In article <Bt5LIE.3nH@research.canon.oz.au>, philip@research (Philip Craig) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.171325.10688@sei.cmu.edu> tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner) writes:
>>
>>>I don't believe in ghita
>>                    ^^^^^
>>
>>I always thought this was Giza; some sort of holy land.
>
>Ooh, let's vote!
>
>(According to the lyrics sheet included with the album, it's "gita".)
>--
>Chris Jones    clj@ksr.com

I don't know the spelling offhand, but it is gita as in the Bhagavad Gita,
Hare Krishna, etc.

				David Deisley

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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: In His Own Etc.
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:51:18 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

A recent article asked about obtaining John's writings from the
sixties. "In His Own Write" and "A Spaniard In The Works" are
available in a nice little Penguin edition called (not surprisingly)
"The Penguin John Lennon". ISBN number is 0-14-002540-5. If your
local bookstore doesn't have it in stock, I'm sure they'll order
it for you.

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From: slavin@phoenix (Scott Slavin)
Subject: Re: "God" from JL/POB
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:23:27 GMT

tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner) writes:
: Hey, does anyone happen to have the lyrics for "God" from the JOHN
: LENNO/PLASTIC ONO BAND album, or at least their approximation of them?
: In particular I'm interested in the litany of things Lennon goes
: through that he claims not to believe in, as some of them are hard to
: make out.  Here's *my* approximation:
: 
: God is a constant by which we measure our pain
           ^^^^^^^^
           concept

Scott Slavin
NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
slavin@syl.nj.nec.com
From: "gord armstrong" <gord.armstrong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: beatles/sullivan?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:34:48 EST
Reply-To: "gord armstrong" <gord.armstrong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


Are there any 'complete' videos of the Ed Sullivan performances
available from Feb '64 - '66? Bootleg?

From a boot picture disc I got, the following tunes were performed
on Sullivan:

Feb.9(?).64 - New York         Feb 16(?).64 - Miami
--------------------------     --------------------
1.All My Loving                1.She Loves You
2.Till There Was You           2.This Boy
3.She Loves You                3.All My Loving
4.I Saw Her Standing There     4.I Saw Her Standing There
5.I Want to Hold Your Hand     5.From Me To You
                               6.I Want to Hold Your Hand
Feb.23(?).64 - where?
--------------------------
1.Twist And Shout
2.Please Please Me
3.I Want to Hold Your Hand

So far the best video I've seen is "The Beatles: Their First American
Tour" (or something along those lines) released by Apple. Most of the
tunes are there, except the following are missing:

- "I Saw Her Standing There" from Feb.9 and Feb.16
- "She Loves You" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand" from Feb.16

What other tunes were done on Sullivans 'Reeeeeaally Big Shoe' pre
Sgt.Pepper. I saw an excerpt of "Ticket To Ride" and I think I
remember seeing "We Can Work It Out"? Anyone viewed them all at
the 'Museum of Broadcasting'? Who owns the rights to the Sullivan
performances? CBS? If so, I think CBS could still make a decent pile
of loot if all the Sullivan performances were released on video.

All help appreciated.
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From: st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Is there an FTP site or Library book with Beatles Lyrics?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:20:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I use songs heavily in my D&D campaign (the players like it when they get it
and most the time they don't) and I was wondering if there is a location 
from which beatles or other lyrics can be FTP'd from?  As a back up, is there
a book that I could look up in the Library?
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The Eternal? Student   ah!  my hair is falling out!
From: thompson@gumby.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Ringo Starr's LPs
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:39:40 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

In article <22AUG199215550758@vms2.iscs.nus.sg>, fanyl@vms2.iscs.nus.sg
(FAN YENG LOON) writes:

> According to the 'Recent and Upcoming Album Releases: 92-31' posted to 
> rec.music.info, Ringo Starr is releasing the following two lps:
> 
>>18 Aug *r Ringo Starr                     Rotogravure
>>18 Aug *r Ringo Starr                     Ringo The Fourth
> 
> I must admit that I am not much into Ringo's solo career yet, mayhap some
> kind souls out there could fill me in whether these are new album releases??

_Rotogravure_ was originally released in 1976, and _Ringo The 4th_ (not
"Fourth") in 1977.

Ringo's CD releases seem to be happening by fits and starts. So far I've
only been able to find:   _Ringo_
                          _Bad Boy_
                          _Ringo Starr and His All-starr Band_
                          _Time Takes Time_
and the two collections:  _Blast From Your Past_
                          _Starr Struck: Best of Ringo Starr, Vol. 2_

Have I missed anything, along the way? I keep looking for _Goodnight Vienna_,
so I can get "Snookeroo" on CD.


MOKO
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From: rich@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Richard Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Donegan/"Puttin' On The Style"
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:34:55 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

Puttin' On The Style was a number one hit in Britain in
the summer of 1957.  It may not appear in every list of
hits as it was part of a double A-side single with Gamblin'
Man.  Both were recorded on the live British TV show
Sunday Night at the London Palladium and the single was
rushed out quickly.  The writer listed on my compilation
album is N Cazden, but the 78 I bought at the time is in
London so I can't check that.

Donnegan was far and away the most significant figure in
British rock music prior to the Beatles.  Pretty much
single handedly, he introduced British audiences to the
roots of rock music, putting blues. hillbilly and folk
music in a fairly pure style in the form of hit singles.  His
hits included excellent versions of songs by Leadbelly,
the Carter Family and Woody Guthrie.  He mixed this with
some of the ideas from British music hall.  Before Donegan
all of this stuff was absolutely unknown to most British
people.  I've even heard it said that there was virtually
nobody using a guitar in Britain before Donegan - he played
one with Chris Barber in the late forties and early fifties.
He was my first rock idol as a kid and I'm pretty pleased
with my taste back then.

This is all relevant to this group since no Donegan would
mean no Beatles - they admit to that.  He gave Britain a
much more rounded sense of what rock music is all about than
can have been achieved simply by listening to the current US
top twnety.  If we went in for Halls of Fame (Heaven forbid!)
he would certainly be the first inductee.  His influence was
to get all kinds of kids to start playing roots American
music in groups using anything that could make a sound.  This
had a least three main effects: the first wave of British
rock-oriented teen idols (Tommy Steele, Cliff Richard, Adam
Faith, etc.); the creation of an underground blues scene led
by Alexis Korner and John Mayall leading to the Stones, etc.
(aside - I've never heard a significantly better British blues
singer than Donegan); and the creation of a permanently stable 
British country music scene.

Of course he came from Glasgow.

rich
From: ralley@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Thomas G Ralley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: McCartney Update
Date: 13 Aug 1992 21:11:40 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

From today's New York Times:

The critical bashing that Paul McCartney took in some quraters for his
"Liverpool Oratorio" has not deterred him from continuing his flirtation with 
orchestral music. Carl Davis. Mr. McCartney's collaborator on the oratorio,
included the premiere of a brief new symphonic work, "Appaloosa" when 
he conducted the Boston Pops in a tribute to Mr. McCartney on May 12. That
program is to be broadcast as part of PBS's "Evening at the Pops" series 
this month.

"Appaloosa" is drawn from the soundtrack music Mr. McCartney wrote for a 
deocumentary about Appaloosa horses produced by his wife, Linda, and 
directed by Barry Chattington. The piece lasts just under four minutes and 
is based on an unreleased song by Mrs. McCartney, to which Mr. McCartney 
has added a central cection called "Meditation." As in the composition
of the oratorio, Mr. Davis collaborated on the orchestrations.

The "Liverpool Oratorio" has in the meantime taken on a life of its own. 
Since its British and American premieres last year, the work has been 
performed in Spain, Japan, Hungary, Canada and Italy. Mr. Davis will
conduct it at the Ravinia Festival in Highland Park, Ill. on Aug. 28, and
other conductors have scheduled performances in Tucon, Bolder, Minneapolis,
Des Moins, Milwaukee and San Francisco.




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From: bhatnaga@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: U2 tix Aug 20th Foxboro St.,Boston.
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:52:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.18245.2a8bac82


Hi all of you U2 fans out there,

I have great news for you.I have four front row seats(10 feet from the

stage) for the U2 concert at Foxboro Stadium,Boston on Aug 20th.

Interested parties please contact me at 413-549-7912.I can Federal

Express the tickets to you as soon as possible.This is your only chance

to get tickets for this sold out show.

Maneesh Bhatnagar,

UMASS,Amherst.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Is your "Let It Be" counterfeit?
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.003702.12107@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill
Vermillion) writes:

>This is a 45 on an 8" blank, with the Capitol label,
>handwritten with Get Back on it.

Oh, the single.  That's still a nice item collectors would want.

The controversy is over the album "Get Back", long alleged to have
been distributed to DJs and then pulled back.  The story sometimes
refers to a date around the time of the single, or else to early 1970.
Doug Sulpy, late of rmb, has convinced me no such pressing was made,
and that only bootleg tapes got out, and has tracked the "Kum Back"
version (Glyn John's spring 1969 mixes) to a station in Buffalo that
played it on the air.  Many readers of this group have referred to the
DJ album and some even claim to have a copy of it, but all such appear
to be bootlegs, some very elaborately packaged, with an enclosed
letter and a shipping box.  I just wanted to know whether you meant
the album and if so, where yours came from.

--Joe Brennan

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatlewear, from VNS: Tue 18-Aug-1992
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:42:30 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: classic.bbn.com

Here's an item of Beatle interest grabbed from soc.culture.british:

}<><><><><><><><>  T h e   V O G O N   N e w s   S e r v i c e  <><><><><><><><>
} Edition : 2643              Tuesday 18-Aug-1992            Circulation :  7822
}        VNS MAIN NEWS .....................................   67 Lines
}
}
}VNS MAIN NEWS:                                    [Tom Povey, VNS UK News Desk]
}==============                                    [Reading, England           ]
}
}[...]
}
}     Tommy Nutter, who rose to fame by designing flared trousers and jackets
}     with wide lapels in the 60's and 70's, has died in a London Hospital aged
}     49. He had AIDS. His clients included the Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson
}     and the Beatles who wore his designs on the cover of Abbey Road.

Reposted to r.m.b by Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: walters@mcnc.org (Mark D. Walters)
Subject: Re: "Don't believe in Gita"
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:29:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.164411.26050@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:

>Something I have always thought was rather interesting
>though;  many fundies have objected rather vociferously to "Imagine", and
>specifically the line "Imagine No Religion."   However, these same people
>have not commented upon "God", and Lennon's laundry list of things that he
>doesn't believe in.  The obvious implication is that one may believe anything
>as an individual, but you are to be condemned if you ask someone else to
>THINK about an alternate system of beliefs.
>
I think it more likely that most "fundies" have not ever heard of the song
"God", but are more aware of the more popular "Imagine".


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Mark D. Walters                    walters@mcnc.org
MCNC P.O. Box 12889
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
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From: sproles@pine.circa.ufl.edu (SPROLES)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles pix in August 1992 Scientific American
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:48:27 GMT
Reply-To: sproles@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4


Well!Well!Well!
There is an article "Paradoxes of Musical Pitch" in the August 1992
_Scientific American_ Vol.267, No.2, p.88-95; which contrasts the harmonic
patterns of the Beatles and the beach Boys and asserts that different groups
of people perceive sounds differently.

Great, clean, early picture of the Beatles and of the Beach boys (p.94).
From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "God" from JL/POB
Keywords: lennon,god
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:52:51 GMT
Reply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones)
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp
In-reply-to: tmenner@sei.cmu.edu (Thomas Menner)

In article <1992Aug14.171325.10688@sei.cmu.edu>, tmenner@sei (Thomas Menner) writes:
>Hey, does anyone happen to have the lyrics for "God" from the JOHN
>LENNO/PLASTIC ONO BAND album, or at least their approximation of them?
>In particular I'm interested in the litany of things Lennon goes
>through that he claims not to believe in, as some of them are hard to
>make out.  Here's *my* approximation:

Pretty good.  The album comes with a lyic sheet (or it did when I bought it).
I've noted the differences between your lyrics and the lyric sheet.

>God is a constant by which we measure our pain
         "concept"
>I'll say it again
>God is a constant by which we measure our pain
         "concept"
>I don't believe in magic
>I don't believe in I-Ching
>I don't believe The Bible
             no "the"
>I don't believe in tarots
                    no "s"
>I don't believe in Hitler
>I don't believe in Jesus
>I don't believe in Kennedy
>I don't believe in Buddha
>I don't believe in mantra
>I don't believe in ghita
    they spelled it "gita"
>I don't believe in yoga
>I don't believe in kings
>I don't believe in Elvis
>I don't believe in Zimmerman
>I don't believe in Beatles --
>I just believe in me
>Yoko and me -- that's reality
         ... "and" ...
>The dream is over -- what can I say?
>The dream is over -- yesterday
>I was the dream-weaver but now I'm reborn
>I was the walrus but now I'm John
>And so dear friends you'll just have to carry on --
>The dream is over.
--
Chris Jones    clj@ksr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ers1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (eugene.r.schroeder)
Subject: Sound bite
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:59:12 GMT

I bought George's Alive In Japan CD recently and have really
enjoyed it.

One interesting tidbit that I don't believe has been
mentioned is that the beginning of Taxman was taken from the
Beatles recording, as mentioned in the fine print.  Before noticing
this, I was amazed at how much he tried to replicate the original
opening (cough and all).  Any idea if this was added during the mixing,
or whether it was actually played at the concert?

Gene
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