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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:20:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.000347.21162@col.hp.com> vanm@col.hp.com (Van Martin) writes:

>Mr.  Booker, dying from AIDS contracted through his
>homosexual lifestyle, was aware, per the article, of ways to prevent
>AIDS (his aunt helped him research a report on AIDS and preventing its
>spread).  Why then would he ignore his own counsel and contract AIDS
>by continuing his known-dangerous lifestyle?

He almost certainly found it preferable to the consequences of leading
an active heterosexual lifestyle, which apparently include such things
as yourself.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss,soc.bi
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:40:06 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Nov16.154944.973@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <BxoFs4.CFv@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>
>>>Gay teens commit suicide due to social pressure.
>>
>>This is almost certainly true in the general case.
>
>Do you have any data to back this up? Or are you just stating something that
>other people also stated as a fact without given major proof of that?

    Yes, the data are available.  Look at previous posting in this thread.

>>>If you voted yes on OR9 or Co2, you are a hate-monger.
>>
>>That's a simple statement of fact.
>
>You are using hate here as some Jews use anti-Semite. That is not a serious
>point.

    You are using a comparison here that is completely lost on me and, I
suspect, others.

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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (C.J.K.)
Subject: Re: Don't Promote it as a lifestyle
Reply-To: nobody
Organization: Not very organized
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:56:24 GMT

v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:


>   I understand that homosexuals in today's society face widespread discrimina-
>tion and abuse, but instead of taking a hint, it seems to make the gay commun-
>ity want to be in limelight even more.  America does not wish to see gay pro-
>testors fighting for gay rights and preaching their platform to those who give
>them the time.  While physically assaulting a homosexual may be wrong, these 
>acts are only encouraged by the homosexuals themselves.  If they would take the
>time to realize that their way of living is wrong and more importantly that 
>society doesn't want to hear it falsely declared a lifestyle, they would realize
>the way to combat this discrimination is to adopt a normal kind of lifestyle and
>stop corrupting others.  
> See Old Testament, Leviticus 20:13
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is this?  Is it some government document somewhere?  Is it a 
cartridge for Nintendo?  What does it have to do with real life?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: new ROTC policy includes threat of refund
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:24:30 GMT

murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy) writes:

>It has been one of the underreported bargains in higher education for
>some time.  Sign up for ROTC, get them to pay for college, and then,
>gosh, remember that you're gay as you're enlisting.  Until now, the
>government has threatened but hasn't, to my knowledge, sought to recover
>college tuition from anyone who has done this.

    The government has sought tuition repayment from 9 of the 28 cadets
disenrolled from ROTC for being gay.

    28 people is a scam?  Seems to me if it were such a cool thing to do,
a heck of a lot more than 28 people would have done it.  Get a clue.

>Of course, this practice has been going on for some time, so I expect
>that the lame-duck timing of this is just a shot fired over the
>president-elect's bow because of his position on ending orientation
>discrimination in the military.

    No kidding.

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: Can Colorado discriminate against straights?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:56:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.172923.9764@convex.com> rgordon@convex.COM (Rob Gordon) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.205214.26096@athena.cs.uga.edu> kraig@athena.cs.uga.edu (Kraig Count) writes:
>:
>
>No, this is incorrect. The CO #2 specifically mentions "homosexual,
>lesbian, or bisexual orientation." It does not use the vanilla
>phrase "sexual orientation."
>
>
>rob

Frightening thought: the way that CO #2 is worded, one could claim
protected status for being hetero....

Lost Boy

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From: rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Homosexuality is normal?
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:34:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <BxsErx.239@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence) writes...

|life, when they might prefer a straight one. I find people often switch
|back and forth between gay and straight, or both, and homosexuality is a
|common, if not routine, phase of growing up. I is not P.C. to mention
|this because it makes sexual preference seem a controllable choice."

	In all the banter that goes on, we tend to classify people as
homosexual or heterosexual, leaving the bisexuals out of our rhetoric.

	Suggesting that people can or do switch between gay and straight
activity suggests that sexual practise is a choice.  It really says nothing
of the sexual orientation, the gender-based attractions one may have.

	The existence of people who cross over in practise, and those
who have attractions for both genders adds what may possibly be an
entirely different dimension into the issue of choice.

	The political correctness of any theory depends on what politics 
you take.  

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From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: HOW DID AIDS START IN THE UNITED STATES? 
Organization: JPL, Space Imaging Radar Software Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:03:59 GMT


In article <1992Nov23.184023.8193@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
   st902753@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

|>I just recently tried to post something in the bulletin but failed to do so 
|>because I haven't quite figured out how to use this damn program.  Anyway, 
|>what the article was suppose to be about is an inquiry on whether anyone out
|>there knows how HIV got started in the United and States and in particular,
|>why and how it started out in the gay community.  I would also like to know if
|>anyone out there has any information on Michaelangelo concerning his
|>homosexuality and his art work.  My friend is doing a paper on him and would
|>like to get some info on this.  

Does Brandeis University have a library ?

|>Fellow subscribers, did you know that the pope
|>had a secret passage made for Michaelangelo so that they could have sex
|>together when they felt like it?  Look at one of the sculptures that
|>Michaelangelo did of the pope and you'll see how much of a queen the pope
|>really was.

evidence ?  If this could be proven, would the current pope say "Oh, you're
right.  Its OK to be gay." ?


--
Tim Fogarty
Sys Man and Sys Admin for the EGSE in the POCC at JSC for SRL-1, STS-59
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Homos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:49:37 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <greco.722145078@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> greco@elec.uq.oz.au (The Gereat White Hooter Hunter) writes:

>I just do, alright.

    Your eloquence leaves me speechless.  Are you as ignorant as this
blather would indicate, or did you post it on a particularly good day for
you?


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     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: kenw@teal.csn.org (Ken Waletzki)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:50:27 GMT

Look, I don't care what sexual orientation anybody is. Amendment #2 is
worng BECAUSE to pass a law that prohibits passing other laws, regardless
of what it is about, is just wrong.
-- 
Ken Waletzki Consulting, 2525 Arapahoe #E4-107, Boulder, Colorado  80302
303-651-1067, email kenw@csn.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Don't Promote it as a lifestyle
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


   I understand that homosexuals in today's society face widespread discrimina-
tion and abuse, but instead of taking a hint, it seems to make the gay commun-
ity want to be in limelight even more.  America does not wish to see gay pro-
testors fighting for gay rights and preaching their platform to those who give
them the time.  While physically assaulting a homosexual may be wrong, these 
acts are only encouraged by the homosexuals themselves.  If they would take the
time to realize that their way of living is wrong and more importantly that 
society doesn't want to hear it falsely declared a lifestyle, they would realize
the way to combat this discrimination is to adopt a normal kind of lifestyle and
stop corrupting others.  
 See Old Testament, Leviticus 20:13
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:40:35 GMT

In article <Nov19.195353.62299@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> wallsj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey joel walls) writes:

>In article <BxyB4K.G5B@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>You are honestly crazy to think that she thinks this will happen.
>
> Sir, I received some mail in my e-mail folder stating that:
>
> "When the boycott is over, everything will go back to normal and everything
> will be fine."

When I saw this statement posted, I interpreted it as meaning
"business as usual," rather than "discrimination against queers."

> How do you interpret that?  Perhaps Melinda doesn't think it will happen,
> but apparantly SOMEONE does!

Tell it to them, then.  There's nothing like directing your comments
at the people who deserve them.

> If you treat everyone like you post, then no wonder people draw bad
> conclusions about gays!

That's right.  People have this awful tendency to generalize, don't
they?

> You guys have been flaming
> me right and left, but you cannot come up with any SOLUTIONS to your
> problems!

There are no Kwick 'n' Eezy Solutions to these problems.

> Why are you filled with so much mean spiritedness?  

I think, frankly, that you need to read a little bit more about gay
liberation before you can discuss it in an informed way.

>>I'll do no such thing.  I oppose protected status for gays or
>>lesbians.  Or even bisexuals, Ghod forbid.
>
> Please tell me what you think Amendment 2 stated.

That no person of non-heterosexual orientation may possess a legal
claim of discrimination on that basis in Colorado.  That there shall
be no laws against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

> but then I thought, "Well, actually I'm *against* amendment 2, so I should
> be happy about that."  I don't know what to think now.  I'd sure hate to 
> support anyone with an attitude as bad as yours.

That's because you have the political savvy of a five-year old.
You're not interested in supporting anything that's right if your
precious pride is wounded by the people who support it.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:46:13 -0500 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: why call it hate?
	<102028@bu.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.alt.politics.homosexuality: 15-Nov-92 Re: why call
it hate? Hot Young Star@buast7.bu (451)

> In article <1992Nov12.002347.5423@nwnexus.WA.COM>
> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

> >In article <1992Nov11.180233.3516@lclark.edu>
> >      harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison) writes:
> >
> >>evil, neo-natzi, all-american gay basher, hate-monger

> >It's spelled "NAZI," Mark.  All in capitals.  It's an acronym

> Actually, Elf, it's an abbrevation for the German words for "national
> socialist", "nazi" being the first four letters in the German.

> Brian

To be totally accurate, n-a-z-i are not the first four letters.  In
German it is written "National Socialist," just like in English, but is
pronounced Naz-yo-nahl  Sohz-ya-list.  Nazi is just a shortened form.

Erik
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Don't Promote it as a lifestyle
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:35:32 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:
>>   I understand that homosexuals in today's society face widespread discrimina-
>>tion and abuse, but instead of taking a hint, it seems to make the gay commun-
>>ity want to be in limelight even more.  

The same was said about the Black community during the 1950's and 1960's.

Hint: Maybe the reason why the gay community is in the limelight so much
is because there are so many things like Oregon's measure nine, politicians
like Pat Buchannan, and other hazards associated with being Gay in America
like  anti-homosexual violence. Maybe the reason why they're in the limelight
is because they're sick of all this negative attention they're getting and
would like it to end  so they can be left alone.

>>America does not wish to see gay pro-
>>testors fighting for gay rights and preaching their platform to those who give
>>them the time. 

And yet legally they are free to  do so. If you don't like it, fine. If
it really bothers you, though, I might recommend that you move somewhere
where there is no dissent  from the Government line. It's called the
People's Republic of China.

>> While physically assaulting a homosexual may be wrong, these 
>>acts are only encouraged by the homosexuals themselves.  

And rapes are encouraged by the rape victims. And racial violence is 
encouraged by uppity n*******. And cancer is God's punishment for not
being a good Christian. And so on. And so on. It gets old after a while.

>>If they would take the
>>time to realize that their way of living is wrong 

Since when?

>>and more importantly that 
>>society doesn't want to hear it falsely declared a lifestyle, they would realize
>>the way to combat this discrimination is to adopt a normal kind of lifestyle and
>>stop corrupting others.  

Oh sure. Like the best way make everyone happy is to crowd them into suburban
homes and sit arround the TV set and watch "Leave It To Beaver." Hell, if
that's what America was about, then why did we go and have that dumb little
rebellion in 1776?  

BTW, society doesn't like taxes or unpopular ideas either. So should
the unpopular ideas remain unsaid, the government halt all taxes and
go on deficit spending forever, and make everyone happy until the economy
collapses and a facsist takes over? 

And increasingly, we find that society balks at voting.....

>> See Old Testament, Leviticus 20:13

Leviticus is ancient Jewish law.  I could just as easily refer you to
Greek laws where homosexuality is legalized. Unless, that is, you really
think that the Levites had an exclusive link to God.

Lost Boy
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Why I hate Homos
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:18:03 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Nov20.191657.15181@athena.mit.edu> charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton) writes:
>In article <greco.722145078@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> 
>The Gereat White Hooter Hunter, greco@elec.uq.oz.au writes:
>>I just do, alright.
>
>Q: What's the funniest thing about a gereat white hooter
>hunter?
>
>A:  The squishy noise he makes when you crush him into
>the pavement with a club.

NONONO!!! It's the way hee tries to pick up women............
1) By getting them so drunnk they think he's cool...
2) By grabbing them until they punch him out...
3) By paying them fifty bucks a shot!

Lost Boy
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 13:36:36 PST
From: <TOMBOY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: President Clinton- Does He Really Read Our Letters?

Does anyone know if Newly elected President Clinton really reads
the letters he receives at the White House?  I have seen too much
on the news lately about how some big wigs in the Armed Forces and
some others in the armed forces are against Clinton dropping the
ban on gay and lesbian individuals joining the military.  I would
like to write him a letter explaining to him that I am definetly
in favor of the ban to be lifted.  I have many friends at Moffett
Field in Mountain View, CA, and I asked them if they would care
if they worked with gay people.  A lot of them said that they already
work with gay people and it is no big deal.  After all, we are like
everyone else, and we are already in the armed forces.  Actually,
I met my current girlfriend at a bar in San Jose who used to be
at Moffett.  People knew about her in the quadron, but no one cared!
She was in for five years and when her discharge time came
around, she walked away clean with an honorable discharge.  I want
President Clinton to understand that the people who are against us
are the ones who are afraid of us or something stupid like that.
We are in the military now, and we always will be, so why not make
out lives a little more comfortable and let us be ourselves.  We are
not animals who make passess at every male or female, and all of my
friends would not even waste their time trying to "get" a person
who is straight.

Why is lifting the ban such a big, scary deal to some?


                                Terry Ash

******************************************************************************
The above is my opinion and does not reflect the opinion of the Stanford
Linear Accelerator Center.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:43:36 GMT


I've removed soc.motss from the newsgroups line of this posting.
Discussions of whether or not homosexuality is "a sin" or not
is inappropriate for that newsgroup - please respect this.

In article <1992Nov20.003105.21842@col.hp.com>, vanm@col.hp.com (Van Martin) writes:
|> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
|> > When the gay community in Chicago started stamping money
|> > in the early 1980s, an attorney looked into the legality
|> > of it.  As long as the serial number and denomination
|> > remain unobscured, it's legal.
|> 
|>   Is this some sort of "force everyone to take me seriously"
|>   tactic that the militant (verrrrrry militant) homosexuals
|>   wanted to take with the national blood supply in the 80's
|>   to force $$$ for AIDS research?  No, I didn't think so.

Do you have documentation for this?  As a politically
active gay man I know nothing about this.  Either show
some facts or admit it's a lie.

|>   By the way, do you hate chickenpox, cholera, brussell sprouts
|>   or soap operas?  Do you hate intolerance (read "differing
|>   opinion")?  Perhaps it is the subject of hate that is not
|>   a family value.

I don't hate you, I hate what you do.  You try to
deny me the same rights and privileges you have.

|>   "Hate what is evil" and according to my understanding of the Bible
|>   (there it is - flame on!!!)  homosexuality is evil (NOTE:  NOT THE
|>   HOMOSEXUAL).  "I will not condone what God seeks to redeem."  Dr.
|>   Robert Oerter.  It only serves to confuse people to legalize bad
|>   ideas.

Your understanding of the Bible is pretty weak.  How much
reading or research have you done about what the Bible really
says and homosexuality?

|>   Also, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools
|>   despise wisdom and instruction."  Prov.  1:7

Then you define yourself a fool.

|>   So, in my family, there are areas where fear and hate ARE family
|>   values.

You are a very sick man.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: edjans01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing)
Subject: Re: Why I hate Homos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:25:45 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

greco@elec.uq.oz.au (The Gereat White Hooter Hunter) writes:

>I just do, alright.

And this is from someone who proclaims himself to be 'The Gereat White Hooter
Hunter'?  Can't even spell 'great' correctly.

Sounds like someone with a definite immature sexual problem to me.
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