From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: ALL ARGUMENTS FOR PRO-CHOICE REFUTED HERE!!!!!
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 01:13:54 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Oct5.201329.11680@wdl.loral.com>  bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt) writes:
>
> I would like to check Mx. Rink's references.  However, some of them
> are not noted.  I am posting my request rather than mailing it to
> him/her personally because I'd like help checking them.  When Mx. Rink
> provides me with references to check ...

How likely do you think that will be?

> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
> #
> # Abortion is itself the ultimate form of child abuse and dehumanization, and
> # contrary to what many Americans assume, children from unplanned pregnancies
> # represent only 10% or fewer of abuse cases annually in America.  Following
> # Roe vs. Wade in 1973, the cases of child abuse in America rose 500% by 1982.

Following Roe vs. Wade in 1973, the Berlin wall was torn down, and
Communism collapsed in Russia.

> # The evidence tells a different story.  In her research article, "The Myth:
> # Unplanned Pregnancies Lead to Child Abuse," Dr. Wanda Franz wrote:  "In every
> # major child-abuse center, the data collected on families who have been
> # identified as abusers indicate that the vast majority `wanted' their children
> # before they were born.  The percentages of `wantedness' ranged from 91 percent
> # to 96 percent, depending on the study."
>
> Where and when was this published?

Note that this is backwards.  She's looking at the percentage of abusers who
wanted their children, while the question is as to the percentage of
unwanted children who are abused.

> # 12.  Abortion is safer than childbirth.
> #
> # Medical research considers abortion to be serious surgery (research of Linger,
> # Cavanaugh, Slumsky, Goodlin, Stipal, McDonald, and Auro, Wright Richardson &
> # Dickson -- each a separate study).
>
> Where and when were these published?
>
> [...]

Hey - not so fast with the elision!  You skipped over:
 In the early stages of pregnancy (first three months), childbirth is more than
 twice as safe as abortion, not to mention emotional suffering.  After the
 first trimester, risk of injury from abortion increases monthly.

I want to see some references on childbirth in the first three months!  :-)

> # To the contrary, abortion is contributing to rising poverty in America.
> # Professor of economics Dr. Jacqueline R. Kasun, while using only a 4% interest
> # index, has computed our nation's net economic loss from abortion to be $110
> # billion yearly.
>
> I require a reference for this statistic.

I *believe* this was mentioned here before, and the assumption that this was
based on was that every aborted fetus would have grown up to be a productive
citizen and this would have no effect the population otherwise.  If you
assume that every aborted fetus would have grown up to go on welfare or
be incarcerated, and that the aborted fetuses are balanced by later children
that the parents would not have had had the fetuses not been aborted, then
you can conclude that the net economic *savings* is in the billions.
Obviously, neither assumption is accurate.

(Again, I don't know if this is the same economic study that was mentioned
here previously.)

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc,alt.atheism