From: C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: Liberals, Conservatives and PC
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:09:36 CST

In article <7138@news.duke.edu>
eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
 
>
>C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu writes:
>>Don't get me wrong -- I am a true liberal who believes ideas should be heard.
>Believe it or not, I am a moderate-conservative who believes all ideas
>should be heard as well. It isn't just a "liberal thang" you know.
>
>
Well I would probably call you a moderate, but you are right that
there are conservatives that believe in free speech etc. (like our own
John Danforth R senator from Missouri -- look for him to become a strong
Republican leader in the moderate Republicans can defeat the Right-wing
and Fundamentalists) Anyway I think there is confusion on both sides.
The Republican (mostly conservatives of course) seemed to think that
the Reagan/Bush victories of the '80s were a social mandate -- they weren't.
I agree with the conservative on some economic issues (I definately want a
conservative banker B-)) but rarely on social ones.
 
>The main reason Bush criticized the ACLU was not because of freedom of
>speech cases but because of criminal cases in which those cases won by
>ACLU advocates hampered the way police can enforce the laws of this
>country, particularly in regards to drugs and homicides. I do respect
>the ACLU for standing up for people who otherwise cannot get any
>support. (That is my understanding of it anyway.) I respect probably as
>much as I do the American Bar Association. Which is not much.
>
 
Yeah that law and order stuff. Like the S&L scandels, Iran-gate, kidnapping
forigners, failing to control police departments (most inner-city depts.
are just as crooked as the criminals), stuff like Missouri's AG Webster
who either mismanaged (an understatement to say the least) or got caught
using a state fund to pay off his buddies. Lets see, drugs, yup, theres
the guy in St. Andrews Mo who through a party and lost his apt, car, and
stereo system because somebody dumped a joint at his party when the cops
came. All that WITHOUT A TRIAL! In general in confiscations that take
place under Reagan's drug laws, the charges are dropped but the people
have to sue to get their property back! Do I have to enumerate all the
portions of the constitution that this is against? And heres the kicker:
taking the ill-gotten gains from drug pushers is great, we all agree on
that, and no system is perfect so mistakes will happen. But where should
the money from these seizures go? Missouri passed a law saying that the
money should go to the schools. Well the cops don't like that so guess
what they do? They "hand-off" the cases to the Feds who take 10% off the
top and give the rest back to the local dept -- thereby circumventing the
law. Thats our law and order.
If this election was a mandate on anything it was a mandate on hypocrasy.
Unfortunately in the last 12 years I have seen too many conservatives who
say one thing and do another. (Yes I'm aware of so-called liberals who
do this also). I am especially enraged to hear some of these conservatives
claiming that liberals are destroying our morals or that we have none!
#$%^*(*$@$
 
>As for "hate speech," saying that all liberals have been goody-goody and
>would stand up for their own consituency and defend people's rights,
>that's all well and good. Why don't we all recant all the references to
>describing Republicans as Nazis then? Forswear never to use that
>description since it incorporates an element of hatred which is not
>indicative of all Republicans. No liberal on this net has apologized for
>using that analogy during the course of the campaign, and I don't expect
>to see anyone begin. I have tried not to use names against
>Clinton-followers or Bush-followers or Perot supporters; the only names
>I use I try to use on myself or people who may share similar thoughts
>with me. If I have used any names and people were offended, I am sorry
>for that was not my intent. But for crying out loud, the scum is all
>around us. Period.
>
I agree, although the term "feminazi" rings a bell. Not that I'm defending
some of the comments of the extreme feminists, I just don't agree with all
the bull about feminist that we heard at the R. Nat. Convention.
 
>As for having tolerance, I am a part of the International Association at
>Duke University (Secretary since Spring 1990). I have been exposed to
>the cultures and religious ideals of Arabs, Jews, South Americans,
>Europeans, Africans, Asians, and Americans. I have organized events in
>which the views of different cultures and their religions (minimally
>since we are an apolitical areligious organization) differed with my
>own. This year, I have made myself perfectly clear that I will allow any
>Native American organization on campus or outside to organize a Cultural
>Night should there be any objections about our Cultural Night on Spain.
>I have even organized back-to-back Nights in which I had Jewish culture
>spotlighted followed by Arabic culture (Morocco) ... during the height
>of the shooting during the Persian Gulf Conflict. Yes, conservatives and
>moderates are very tolerant people too; you just have to look beyond the
>stereotypes and media images to find us.
>--
I am truly glad to hear that. Now if we could just get the people who
won't listen to other people to listen...Yeah right.
 
>Emil Thomas Chuck       eyc@acpub.duke.edu      Biomedical Engineering 1993
>        THANK GOD IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON!!!!!
>I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm
>good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
How long to Apr. 4th?
--Shannon