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From: mctkew@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Help on 555
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:43:11 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

FIVE FIVE FIVE by FRANK ZAPPA

A 5/4 guitar piece in B

This piece is the first track form "Shut Up  'n  Play  Yer  Guitar",  and
this  is  what  I think it sounds like - it took me quite a while to work
it out, and I would like to Know if it is correct. Could someone who  has
the  Frank  Zappa  guitar  book  please tell me. I try and work out Zappa
songs by ear so that my ear will improve, which in the last 18 months  or
so  (since  I  worked  out  my first Zappa piece - Little House I used to
live in from Burnt Weeny Sandwich) it certainly has.

My  ear  is  better  at  picking  out  horizontal  lines  than   vertical
intervals,  so  I'm  a  little  puzzled by the intervals present. I tried
playing 555 with fourth  intervals  harmonized  above  the  melody.  This
seems  right  but  is incredibly difficult to play !!!! - are these parts
doubled by the other guitarists ??? - I  would  like  any  info  on  this
before I spend months on learning the tune with fourth intervals added !!!

--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
----4-1-1-4-4-|-4-1-1-4-4-|-2-1-1-2-2-|-1-1-2-2-R-|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|

--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
----1-------1-|-1-------1-|-3-------3-|---3-3-3-R-|
------1-1-1---|---1-1-1---|---1-1-1---|-1---------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|

--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
----4-3-3-4-4-|-4-3-3-4-4-|-3-1-1-3-3-|-1-1-3-3-R-|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|

--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
----2-------2-|-2-------2-|-4-------4-|---4-4-4-R-|-5-4-4-4-5-|
------1-1-1---|---1-1-1---|---1-1-1---|-1---------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|-X-9-OR-10-|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|-----------|
--------------|-----------|-----------|-----------|-----------|

Ken Whelan
MCTKEW@UK.AC.DCT
"Whatever happened to all the fun in the world" - FZ
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: matti@elisir (Matti Sunell)
Subject: Re: Zappalog
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:22:42 GMT

c.eicke@cl-hh.comlink.de writes:
: 
: I have Zappalog Vol.1, a paper copy, and I offer to
: 
What is this?



-- 
Matti A. Sunell
matti@elisir.helsinki.fi
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:40:49 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <malcolm.727941911@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>
>One of my favorite memories is a show in Philly in November 84, and 
>at one point I decided to walk down the side aisle so I could get
>a brief closer look at the stage and the players. Right after I walked
>down the aisle Frank came to the center of the stage and did a guitar
>solo that had me laughing because the textures sounded so much like
>Fripp and King Crimson to me. I raved about it to friends at the show
>and they just had a blank stare... "Crimson...?", they didn't hear it
>at all. A year later I found an audience tape of that show and I was
>again convinced of what I heard. About 4 or so years later I bought
>the GUITAR cd box and much to my surprise found that solo from the
>Philly show lifted as a piece on the cd, titled "Republicans". For
>me that clinches it - Republicans, Elephants (republican party mascot),
>Elephant Talk, King Crimson..., not to mention the Belew connection, 
>and that Crimson had been touring a few months before. 
>
>  - Malcolm   

I once heard a radio interview of Frank and a caller asked him what he
thought of Robert Fripp and he said, "Robert who?"
-- 
==============================================================================
	Dean Myerson     (aka dingo in boulder)     dean@vexcel.com
==============================================================================
From: 6500jeb@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Bushnell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Reedition of man from utopia?????????
Date: 21 Jan 93 03:17:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.172503.1082@unine.ch> Carlos.Lopez@etudiants.unine.ch writes:

>I heard about a reedition of "man from utopia" on CD did anybody else hear
>about such a thing??????????????????

>                   cArLoS,PeRfEcT StRaNgEr FroM The CouNtrY Of ChocolAte
>                          CoWs...

By reedition do you mean a remixed version?  Several people here have
noted the existence of a CD containing both MFU and Ship Arriving Too
Late..., I found it here in the US, but its made in Europe (I think.)

It may have been rereleased recently, and if not, I believe it is
supposed to be soon.  Hopefully for those who don't own the original
double album CD, it will include Ship Arriving..., though for some
reason, I haven't seen too much of that lately -- too bad.

                                        Good luck! - John E B

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: km9985@sarah.albany.edu (MADIGAN KEVIN M)
Subject: help finding old instrumentals
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:30:03 GMT

My wife and I are trying to build up our small collection of 
Zappa lps. We are particularly interested in finding older stuff
along the lines of Waka Jawaka, Grand Wazoo, BWS, Hot Rats; in 
other words INSTRUMENTAL stuff. Can anyone help us? Please reply
via e-mail.

Thanks, 
Kevin

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: venue query
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:15:05 EST

     Sorry, I can't help with the venue, but I can make two comments.  
First, although the show evidently is from '84 judging by the setlist, it 
couldn't have been in April, since I believe that tour didn't start until 
mid-summer.  Second, "Totally Free" is actually titled "Teenage Wind."  
(Any hints as to what the other question-mark songs are?)

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
From: wpmadden@eos.ncsu.edu (Bill Madden)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: venue query
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:20:50 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

Hi, I have a Zappa tape that came labelled April 84, with no setlist.

The first side contains:

Heavy Duty Judy
Carolina Hard Core
??
I am the Slime
Be in my Video
What's New in Baltimore?
Lucille Has Messed My Mind up
Ride My Face to Chicago
Totally Free
Truck Driver Divorce
Cocaine Decision

And side two contains 

??
Sharleena
Keep it Greasy

Unfortunately after that, somewhere above me, someone peaked the levels, and
there is minor to fairly bad distortion.

Any ideas, Wm 


-- 
Bill Madden
wpmadden@eos.ncsu.edu
No icon tact
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard)
Subject: Concert Tales
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:39:12 GMT

Ok, I have a couple....

I've seen Frank three times, in 77 at the Armadillo in Austin,Texas
(no not THAT concert, but with the Zoot Allures band or parts there-of)
Lots of Panties thrown on stage for that one...the Asshole song and 
Dinoh-moe humm seemed like the highlight of the show..bozzio donned the
demon mask..and in the midst of Dinah-moe there was Dylan imitation
which was totally excellent.(aside- that was a great year for music
in Austin..I got to see the Fab Thunderbirds, Stevie Ray, Roy Buchanon,
and Al Dimeola in various venues and STREET PERFORMANCES..Willie Nelson
was king then..for what it was worth)

Then in 1981 0r 2 at the Hartford Civic Center. This was one of those 
shows where you go with a bunch of friends and laugh the whole way
through. I remember the closing was that killer version of WHipping Post
but frank hardly, if ever, played guitar. Afterwards, I went to go see
the "dead-clone" band of New England (name temporarily forgotten) and I 
was hanging in the back and then...There was Frank!..he was with his
huge bodyguard..I went up to him and thanked him for the show...he
was uh...not very interested in meeting fans..but he did shake my hand
and refuse my offer to buy him a ginger-ale...

and I caught the 88 show in boston(second night) which was absolutely 
incredible. The best band I ever heard in my life. No stories about this
here but I saw frank peering out the window of his limo as he left the 
theater (and I headed to a bar). Needless to say, these aren't very
inspiring tales but I'm happy to have caught the live act, it only
enhances the appreciation I have for Zappa.

-benj

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:42:20 GMT

ameyer@cbnews.cb.att.com (Andreas Meyer) writes:

>In alt.fan.frank-zappa, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>> No real good tales, but on the lighter, non-show stopping side, I recall
>> seeing one show where a pair of black bikini briefs were thrown on stage
>> for the infamous panty-quilt project, which Frank shoved under the
>> nose of a couple fo the players and they backed away.

>Could these be the famous "Voodoo Butter Underpants" mentioned in
>Panty Rap on _Tinseltown Rebellion_?!

I don't think so, unless that part of Tinseltown was recorded at Philly
at the Spectrum or the Tower theater, I can't recall exactly which show
it was. But I think they may have made some reference to the famous voodoo
butter panties and these being almost as nasty... 

   - Malcolm 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: wilson@ekbhp5.sps.mot.com (David Wilson)
Subject: Re: Reedition of man from utopia?????????
Organization: SPS
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:16:53 GMT

The CD of MFU /SATLTSADW available in Europe was the EMI release before Frank
aqquired all of his master tapes. As SATLTSADW has already been re-released I
doubt very much if MFU will contain anything extra ... although one of the posts
here suggests an extra track :-)

                                                           Dave
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:19:56 GMT
	<1993Jan25.183715.3693@dms.agames.com>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: lipson@dms.agames.com's message of 25 Jan 93 18:37:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.183715.3693@dms.agames.com> lipson@dms.agames.com (Pete Lipson) writes:

   Brian Downing (brian@dsm.fordham.edu) wrote:
   :  ruins concerts for me. It makes me realize just how stupid the
   :  average american is and I go home feeling ashamed for us all.
   : --
     yer math's not so good..  if the average Merkin was like that half the
   audience would'a been up on the stage.... (unless you meant the median???:)

His math? What about *your* logic?  Surely you can't be assuming that
Frank Zappa fans are a representative sample of the US population with
respect to intelligence?

;-)

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:05:11 GMT

No real good tales, but on the lighter, non-show stopping side, I recall
seeing one show where a pair of black bikini briefs were thrown on stage
for the infamous panty-quilt project, which Frank shoved under the
nose of a couple fo the players and they backed away. Then Steve Vai
pulled them on over his pants and wore them for the rest of the show. 

Another show I went to I ended up at with a German woman in college with
my sister. She liked Frank, but at one point during the show, I think
when Frank started soliciting panties, she stood up and started shouting
"SEXIST PIG!" a half dozen times. Then she sat down and enjoyed the
rest of the show... 

One of my favorite memories is a show in Philly in November 84, and 
at one point I decided to walk down the side aisle so I could get
a brief closer look at the stage and the players. Right after I walked
down the aisle Frank came to the center of the stage and did a guitar
solo that had me laughing because the textures sounded so much like
Fripp and King Crimson to me. I raved about it to friends at the show
and they just had a blank stare... "Crimson...?", they didn't hear it
at all. A year later I found an audience tape of that show and I was
again convinced of what I heard. About 4 or so years later I bought
the GUITAR cd box and much to my surprise found that solo from the
Philly show lifted as a piece on the cd, titled "Republicans". For
me that clinches it - Republicans, Elephants (republican party mascot),
Elephant Talk, King Crimson..., not to mention the Belew connection, 
and that Crimson had been touring a few months before. 

  - Malcolm
From: jrk@cs.columbia.edu (John R. Kender)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Editorial cartoon
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:58:10 GMT

From the pen of Jim Borgman, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, syndicated
nationally (watch for it!), as appearing on the Op-Ed page of the
Bergen (New Jersey) Record this morning:

Five panels, entitled "Thank you for SHARING this attempt to REACH
SOME NEW AGE INAUGURAL CLOSURE"

Panel 1, Bill Clinton and David Crosby, Crosby's arm on Clinton's
shoulder, both holding cheeseburgers: "The day began with an
invocation by David Crosby calling for spiritual, psychic,
infrastructural and tonsorial healing.  He then escorted Bill Clinton
to McDonald's 2 for $2 sale for the now-legendary 'cup of decaf.'"

Panel 2 (biggest panel), A nine-person rock group, with (apparently)
FZ on drums, in stove-pipe hat, all before massive backdrop saying
"ZAPPA IS GOD": "Aging boomer group Fleetwood Mac reunited with
supergroup Cream in a rendition of 'Stairway to Heaven,' after which
the entire 32-45 generation dissolved into confusion."

Panel 3, Pentagon in mid-air: "Shakti Gawain lead a mediation during
which the Pentagon was levitated. . . . and Les Aspin's inner child
was released in the form of Macaulay Culkin."

Panel 4, Plumpish guy on stool playing banjo: "Poet and national
father figure Robert Bly led a drumming session for the masculinely
challenged.  The 'wildman spirit' of incoming Secretary of State
Warren Christoper was invoked, but the motion was referred to
committee pending further study."

Panel 5, CD set entitled 'We Are the Wonks': "The highlight of the
inaugural ball was a roundtable conducted by Bill Moyers on
'Co-dependence and the Bureaucrat Within' . . . soon to be released as
a 10 compact disc boxed set!"

-----

Two questions:

1) What does it all mean?

2) Did FZ ever wear a stove-pipe hat?  On Hot Rats he is shown
somewhere in London wearing a bowler, but I don't recall any
stove-pipe.

John
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: jpark2@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (John J Park)
Subject: Natasha
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:01:59 GMT

While I liked all the Incarnations' books, "For the Love of Evil" was the best no doubt in my mind. It does more than restate the old tales, and shed light on a character who was taken for granted in the previous works. It remains my favorite work by Mr. Anthony.
From: bosticj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Macro..<Jason Bostick>)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Next book after Unicorn Point
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:24:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan26.164946.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> miccjl@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>Hi there!
>I'm not a REAL fan of PA, but I do like a lot of his books.
>I'm currently reading his Adept series, but I can't find a bookstore that has
>the next book after Unicorn Point.  Can anybody tell me its title??
>THANKS,
>
>Craig Lighton  miccjl@lure.latrobe.edu.au  Latrobe University  VIC  Australia

Phaze Doubt.....if you read the authors notes at the end of "Point" he does
state that.

Jason P. Bostick
Macro
bosticj@storm.cs.orst.edu
From: smcmilla@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott A McMillan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: msgs on ux4
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:37:51 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Msgs is now up and working on ux4. Please post some messages to get things
going. For more info, read the readme file in /scratch/msgs. 

-- 
Scott Andrew McMillan             University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
socket@uiuc.edu        "Fighting for peace is like fornicating for chastity"
smcmilla@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu            What about my ontological predicates???
From: wench@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Hey - is this group still read?
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:16:16 GMT
Reply-To: wench@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities

In article <1993Jan17.200419.1608@leland.Stanford.EDU>, <  @  > writes:
>In article <C0znJL.FL@coral.cs.unm.edu> Sarang Gupta,
>sgupta@coral.cs.unm.edu writes:
>
>>By the way, has anyone ever been able to make a decent family tree for
>the
>>Kaftan family... all the characters in that series are so tightly
>related,
>>I keep forgetting who's realted to whom and how :)
>
>Umm, lemme see, (fumbles around), nope not in there, how about
>here....ahh so that's
>where THAT was....umm, just a sec...I think it's at home (though i could
>probably 
>draw one pretty quickly).  The tricky part about treeing the Kaftans is
>geting Orb
>and Luna in the right places, if i remember correctly, and PA himself
>diagrams that
>part in BAGM.  For more complicated geneaology problems, see Melanie
>Rawn, Katherine Kurtz 
>or Julian May (Rawn is fond of naming children after other characters and
>May writes large
>families).
>
>leroux@leland.stanford.edu (who flaunts his signed Bio of an Ogre proof)


actually, if you want a *really* fucked up genealogy, try Heinlein's Lazarus
Long books...I beleieve Long is actually his own father somewhere in there...

Dawn Nolan
Student, University of Florida
"I hope I did this right!"
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu (Polar Bear)
Subject: Re: Hey - is this group still read?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:08:02 GMT

wench@maple.circa.ufl.edu wrote:
: In article <1993Jan17.200419.1608@leland.Stanford.EDU>, <  @  > writes:
: 
: actually, if you want a *really* fucked up genealogy, try Heinlein's Lazarus
: Long books...I beleieve Long is actually his own father somewhere in there...
: 
: Dawn Nolan
: Student, University of Florida
: "I hope I did this right!"

Actually, Long (Woodrow Wilson Smith) may have married his own mother, and many
of his own decendants at the same time (when you live over 24 or so 
generations, almost everyone is a decendant of yours...), but if you read _To
Sail Beyond The Sunset_, it is made clear that Lazarus is NOT his own father.

Don't, however, try it at home.
--
Polar Bear                          i won't be a monkey in anyone's zoo
pjmorse@amherst.edu                 and i won't get fazed, whatever you do
pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu            "hit him again, he's crazy"
                                                   -ride
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: rbs@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Rose Sundermeyer)
Subject: Re: Re Battle Circle
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:59:30 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


-- 
In article <1993Jan28.082612.3035@gacvx2.gac.edu>, bnelson@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
|> I've read Battle Circle and I agree it is excellent.  However it was also
|> released as threeseperate small books, so you might already own it in a
|> different format.  These are probably some of Anthony's best work.


What were the titles on the 3 small books?
From: bosticj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Macro..<Jason Bostick>)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: <none>
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:44:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

Just to keep things going...I ]

I'm an avid Anthony fan.  I really like the Xanth and Adept series (have read
all of them and am working on owning them all).  I also like the Incarnations
series although I have only read 3 of the books.  I own some of his other books
but have not yets read them.  I am working on starting an Xanth RPG group here
at college.  
Hope this sparks some postings.

Mail accepted.

Jason P.Bostick
Macro
bosticj@storm.cs.orst.edu
From: smcmilla@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott A McMillan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: msgs on ux4: ignore this
Date: 24 Jan 93 01:13:34 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

smcmilla@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott A McMillan) writes:

>Msgs is now up and working on ux4. Please post some messages to get things
>going. For more info, read the readme file in /scratch/msgs. 

sorry, the poster screwed up. ignore this.
-- 
Scott Andrew McMillan             University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
socket@uiuc.edu        "Fighting for peace is like fornicating for chastity"
smcmilla@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu            What about my ontological predicates???
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: H5FK <H5FK@UNB.CA>
Subject: <none>
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:27:45 GMT

come now, there must be someone out there who is willing to
contribute some of thier vast intellect to this poor dying news
group?  surely we can't let piers go on like this it's a disgrace.
From: lhschein@eos.ncsu.edu (LAURENCE HOW SCHEINMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: <none>
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:02:04 GMT
Reply-To: lhschein@eos.ncsu.edu (LAURENCE HOW SCHEINMAN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: lhschein@c00092-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


Has anyone read Battle Circle?

For people familiar with Xanth and the Adept style of fantasy...BEWARE! 
In this trilogy, Anthonyattemps a far darker work then anything he had
previously worked on...In this series, heroes die.  Sorrow is more then
an interesting intellectual concept.  Characters have depth and feeling
(God Forbid)  I love Xanth, but this truely gives Anthony a chance to
strutt his stuff.  So get up off your butts, turn off this computer, go
to the local used book store, and buy it!!!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu (Polar Bear)
Subject: Re: <none>
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:11:55 GMT

Macro..<Jason Bostick> (bosticj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU) wrote:
: Just to keep things going...I ]
: 
: I'm an avid Anthony fan.  I really like the Xanth and Adept series (have read
: all of them and am working on owning them all).  I also like the Incarnations
: series although I have only read 3 of the books.  I own some of his other books
: but have not yets read them.

Question: I have read all the Incarnations, more or less in order, but I read
#4 (Red Sword) before #3 (Tangled Skein). I didn't think that this harmed my 
understanding of the series. does anyone have any thoughts on reading series in
order, especially Xanth and the Incarnations? (Obviously the Adept series 
should be read in order.)
--
Polar Bear                          i won't be a monkey in anyone's zoo
pjmorse@amherst.edu                 and i won't get fazed, whatever you do
pjmorse@unix.amherst.edu            "hit him again, he's crazy"
                                                   -ride
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony