HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,sci.environment
Subject: Re: HELP ME... styrofoam cups.
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:00:18 GMT
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <1992Oct12.224016.158396@watson.ibm.com> jimwen@radical.watson.ibm.com () writes:
>the cafeteria service here uses styrofoam cups - except for the largest
>size, which is paper (waxed).  i'm told the styrofoam is compressed and
>doesn't have the cfc stuff.  furthermore, i'm told that, in landfills,
>everything is compressed so much that it matters little what is biodegradable
>since nothing gets to do much biodegrading...could i get some clarifications
>on the issue, please?  i'd like to get them to change over if their practices
>are harmful.

What you've been told is essentially correct. Current landfill practices
don't allow much biodegrading. In an issue of National Geographic, an
article entitled "Garbage" explored several landfills. Newsprint from 
the turn of the century was still readable. Bits of steak from the same
era were identifiable. Styrofoam packaging makes up only a fraction of
a percent of landfill. It crushes really well. 

Now there are alternatives. Paper cups *could* be recycled, though they
generally are not. But so can styrofoam, but it is not either. The
reason is that such recycling is not profitable today. Styrofoam is
made from petrochemical byproducts of fuel production. *Something*
has to be done with those byproducts and styrofoam is as good a use
as any. Meanwhile, paper containers that come in contact with food
or beverages are generally made of *virgin* paper formed from cut
down *rainforest*. 

Well not really, they are made from chlorine bleached pulpwood, but I 
can push environmental buttons as well as Greenhype. :-)

The best alternative is ceramic mugs that are washed and reused.
That's labor intensive and costs your cafeteria more than using
disposable cups. Mass production economies strike again.

Gary
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,talk.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Solo drivers disincentive, please write
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Oct16.150733.12479@s1.gov>
Distribution: ca
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:00:38

In article <1992Oct16.150733.12479@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:

   In article <JMC.92Oct14003517@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:

	   [A "parking cash-out" scheme to help non-drivers]

   :    Cameron Spitzer, currently unable to collect the $3/day my employer spends
   :    to provide the parking space I don't use.

	   Actually, as long as government money goes into supporting
   road building and maintenance (how's that for violation of Libertarian
   principle?), then it is certainly legitimate to try to discourage road
   overuse.

   : If Clinton and Gore win, as now seems likely, people like Cameron
   : Spitzer will get the power to pass all sorts of gimmicky laws and
   : regulations.  They will overreach themselves, and there will be a
   : reaction that will wipe out greens politically as totally as the
   : prohibitionists were wiped out.  In the case of prohibition it took
   : from 1918 to 1932 for the public to react.

	   This measure does not go _that_ far, buster.

	   John McCarthy, you have a professed aversion to Big
   Government, but one that ends whenever government does something _you_
   like. Be honest with us.

	   And you seem to have a thing against environmentalists. What
   is it? It can't be statism, for the reason listed above.

Don't beat me, I'll confess.  I do favor some things that Government
does.  I even favor some regulations.  I'm not even a libertarian - a
mere libsymp.

Indeed this measure doesn't very far.  My prediction is that
environmentalists will get quite a bit of power in a Clinton-Gore
administration, and it will go to their heads.  They will be driven by
their most radical fringe.  You don't see the milder environmentalists
criticizing Greenpeace, and you won't even if they get power.

Indeed I dislike most environmentalist writings.  They exaggerate
and tell too many outright lies.  
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: howard.smith@spacebbs.com (Howard Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Hydride storage tanks for hydrogen-electric car.
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: howard.smith@spacebbs.com (Howard Smith)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

American Hydrogen Association
Silicon Valley Chapter
1401 Point Claire Court
Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Dept: Hydrogen-Electric Car Project
                                                      Page 1 of 3


The  Silicon Valley chapter of the American Hydrogen  Association
(AHA-SV)  has designed a hydrogen fueled, electric powered,  com-
muter automobile which is to have a 1000 mile range on one charge
of  hydrogen, and proposes to build such a car for all the  world
to  see.  However,  there seems to a shortage  of  the  essential
hydrides (and fabricators of these  hydrides) needed to store the
hydrogen  in the vehicle. The following, therefore, is a call  to
someone or to some organization that can manufacture or knows  of
a  possible  manufacturer of these hydrides in quantities of  600
lbs. (263 kg) or more.

The process is outlined in the body of the document.

Please contact John Gotthold or Karl Darr, 1-408-235-1177, if you
are interested or have information.

There are three hundred hydrides that have been discovered in the
last twenty years. Unfortunately most of them have drawbacks. The
highest  density hydride is pure magnesium. It will hold  10%  by
weight  of hydrogen. Only problem is that you have to heat it  to
800 degrees F. to get the hydrogen out.

The hydride we will use is the ferrous/titanium/manganese hydride
which has the great advantage of working at room temperature. Its
draw backs are that you have to be able to melt iron to make  it,
which  is  expensive, and its is heavy, being  approximately  1/2
iron.

The  hydride will be packed in tanks made from 4 in dia.  6061-T6
aluminum  tube with a central 1 in dia. heating tube, and  capped
with  1/2  in  thick end caps provided with  metal  sieve  micron
filters  and  manifold connection fittings. Each tank  will  hold
approximately  150#  of ferrous/titanium/manganese  hydride,  and
four  tanks are required per vehicle. The tanks will be  supplied
by AHA-SV
(continued on page 2)
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 . SLMR 2.1a . Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!
From: howard.smith@spacebbs.com (Howard Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: hydridepg2
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: howard.smith@spacebbs.com (Howard Smith)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

AHA-SV Page 2

This is best process we know at this time, and no guarantees  are
offered or implied if others want to use it.

HYDRIDE MANUFACTURING PROCESS

1. Take 67.5 lbs. (30.7 kg) of 50 mesh powered titanium (Ti)
   81 lbs. (36.8 kg) of 50 mesh powdered Iron (Fe)
   1.5 lb. (0.7 kg) of 50 mesh powdered manganese ( Mn)
2. Put in a 5 gallon (23 L) aluminum drum.
3. Roll mix for 30 minutes at 10 RPM.
4. Pour into ceramic crucible.
5. Heat in RF induction oven under inert gas (argon) atmosphere
   to the melting point to the titanium (1668 degrees C) approx.
   3,000 degrees F.
6. Hold for ten minutes and cool to solidification temperature.
7. Turn block over in the crucible and repeat step 5.
8. Turn block 90 degrees in crucible and repeat step 5.

[NOTE:  steps  7,  8 are done to insure thorough  mixing  of  the
melt.]

9. Cool to room temperature in the crucible.
10. Move the hydride block from the oven into a sealed  container
    which  is  a  large square box with a set  of  crush  rollers
    internally  contained within the box and sealed  to  maintain
    the inert (argon) atmosphere.
11. Crush the frangible hydride block and sieve the material
    through  sieves contained within the box until it is  reduced
    in size to all pass through the sieve. ie. pea sized gravel.
12. Purge a hydride storage tank with argon.
13. Connect the outlet from the crush box to the hydride  storage
    tank  taking care to purge the connection with argon to  dis-
    place any air in the fittings.
14. Transfer the hydride into the hydride storage tank making
    sure to leave at least fifteen percent of the total volume of
    the tank empty for hydride expansion on hydriding.
15. Seal the hydride storage tank.
16. Open the one way valve outlet to let the argon escape and at
    the same time inlet pure hydrogen gas. Purge the hydride
    storage  tank of all argon by flooding it with hydrogen  gas.
    Close the hydrogen outlet valve.
17. Raise the temperature of the hydride storage tank to 200
    degrees F by a combination of internal and external  heating.
    ie. insert the tank in a vat of near boiling water.
18. Increase the hydrogen gas pressure into the tank to 300  psi.
    to pack as much hydrogen gas as possible into the hydride
    material.
(continued on page 3)
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 . SLMR 2.1a . hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?
                                                                     
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:48:15 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

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From: steven@abekrd.co.uk (Steven Glenister)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: SPEAKING OF COPYRIGHT (HELP!!)
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:35:04 GMT
Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Reading, UK.

Speaking of copyright, I'm in a band who are currently negotiating a record
deal with a small indipenent lable. It's an odd situation at the moment
because the company also have a publishing company which they want us to
sign with as well. In the contract it states that we shoold 'ASSIGN' our
copyright to them. We have been advised against this by a music solicitor,
but he didn't tell us why, or what alternatives there are to this clause.

Any idears ?

Steve.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
         \\|||||//              |Steven Glenister AKA steven@abekrd.co.uk
          !_   _!               |Abekas Video Systems. 
          (Q   Q)               |12 Portman Rd
   __,,,, _\_U_/___,,,__        |Reading , Berks
From: v105shlq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Shawn Tinling)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: the TINMAN's idea
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:30:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I've had this one idea stuck in my head for a while now, which is 
a dance-fighting style which seems to be an unlikely cross between
Kung Fu or Karate or whatever and moshing - the dance craze out of
a ballistic pit, except that it is more of a competition than just
to have fun and act stupid. I was thinking about trying to develop 
this idea in some sort of a suitable format for music fans from 
near and far to enjoy for a long time. For a while I thought an
arcade game would be a good idea. Would anyone have any suggestions
ideas or comments on this. Just E-Mail me if you do.

                                             Thanx,
                                         Shawn "The Tinman" Tinling
From: MCCABECJ@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: (None set)
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:58:29 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Please send info on ambient / dub house.

Understand the music but not the concept of the email.

Still, willing to try anything. Hate techno though.

DJ C.j.
From: jneil@panix.com (John Neilson)
Newsgroups: alt.emusic
Subject: Re: SPEAKING OF COPYRIGHT (HELP!!)
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:11:18 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct14.083504.12948@abekrd.co.uk> steven@abekrd.co.uk (Steven Glenister) writes:

>Speaking of copyright, I'm in a band who are currently negotiating a record
>deal with a small indipenent lable. It's an odd situation at the moment
>because the company also have a publishing company which they want us to
>sign with as well. In the contract it states that we shoold 'ASSIGN' our
>copyright to them. 
-------

In a word: don't.

In essence you will be giving up all rights to your material.  The music
world is full of tales of woe from musicians who signed away their songs
and never saw a dime from them.
From: UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Working cobol 650
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:32:34 GMT
 <92279.134939UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <6OCT199214542155@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
Organization: University of Maine System

It is located at   wustl.wuarchive.edu (128.252.135.4) in the
subdirectory    /mirrors/msdos/sysutil   in the file   DPATH30.ZIP

Hope this helps.

George
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: fredg@ariel.yorku.ca (Fredrick Gonsalves)
Subject: Re: Another COBOL700 question
Originator: fredg@a03.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:22:33 GMT



Does anyone know if COBOL700 works?????

I tried to compile a program, but it just hung there.

FredG.
YorkU, Canada
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: fredg@ariel.yorku.ca (Fredrick Gonsalves)
Subject: Cobol700
Originator: fredg@c12.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:16:53 GMT


I have Cobol650 and it works, but I got Cobol700 from an FTP site
and it will not compile programs.  Did anyone get it working???


FredG
YorkU, Canada
Xref: sparky alt.cobol:488 comp.lang.misc:3269
From: brand@lll-crg.llnl.gov (Russell Brand)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol,comp.lang.misc
Subject: Seeking COBOL validations suites
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:05:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cobol
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Palo Alto, CA


I am looking for validation suites for any and all dialects of COBOL.

My group has developped a number of COBOL analysis tools and I want to
see if we left out some constructs.  If memory serves, GSA had a set
of validations and acceptance suites and I have no idea where to get
it from or whether any other validations suites exist.

Your assistance is appreciated.

Russell Brand
brand@reasoning.com
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: fredg@ariel.yorku.ca (Fredrick Gonsalves)
Subject: Re: Another COBOL650 question
Originator: fredg@a03.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:19:51 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.090051.2996@wkuvx1.bitnet>, smithjd@wkuvx1.bitnet (JASON_DONNELL_SMITH) writes:
>> Could someone pleas post the exact FTP site and directory that
>> contains the DPATH.COM for the compiler 650.  I only have e-mail
>> access to FTP.  I got the compiler from wuarchive.wustl.edu does this
>> site have the file?  I could not find it.
>> -- 
>> :=======================================================================:
>> :2702 Industrial Dr. 161H			Thank you,              :
>> :Bowling Green Ky 42101				Jason Smith             :
>> :						SMITHJD@WKUVX1.BITNET   :
>> :=======================================================================:


Can you also send me the address..

FredG
YorkU, Canada

fredg@ariel.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: mwb@jpradley.jpr.com (Michael Brown)
Subject:  Named pipes and COBOL under UNIX Sys V R3.2
Organization: Unix in NYC
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:25:51 GMT

I'm working on a project that's going to involve integration of some COBOL
programs (presently R/M, with conversion to MicroFocus early next year) with
C programs. Basically, I'd like to have a process running a COBOL runtime 
that will monitor the A/R system's data files, and feed any updates into a
named pipe which will be monitored by a database daemon. I've RTFM'ed the 
R/M manual, and the only information remotely related says merely that it
supports redirection via the shell. My question is, how would COBOL see a 
named pipe, as a binary sequential file (most probably), and how would one
open it, EXTEND or OUTPUT. Any comments or experiences you can relate will
be welcome.

Thanks in advance for your help.

MB
-- 
Michael Brown          mwb@jpradley.jpr.com or uunet!murphy!jpradley!vtssys!mike
VTS Systems            718-968-1971
871 East 55th Street   Brooklyn, NY 11234
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From: iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Date calculation
Followup-To: alt.cobol
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:29:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Office of the President
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ajax.ucop.edu

In article <1992Oct12.190723.18610@tandem.com>, Don Nelson
<nelson_don@comm.tandem.com> wrote:
> 
> Note that the subroutines given Leo Donnelly won't work for the year 2000.
> It is a leap year.  The routines figure that years divisible by 100 are
> not 
> leap years.  1900 was not and neither will 2100 be.  However, 2000 is.
> 
Don is correct here. The rule is that years divisible by 4 are leap years
EXCEPT for years also divisible by 100, which are *not* leap years EXCEPT
for years also divisible by 400, which *are* leap years. Thus 1900 and 2100
are not leap years, but 2000 will be.

-----------
Jerry Wilcox - iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu
All opinions expressed are MINE -- I'd have a different job if the
University wanted me to speak for it.
From: billaud@greco-prog.fr (Michel BILLAUD)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Working cobol 650
Date: 13 Oct 92 07:43:34 GMT
Reply-To: billaud@geocub.UUCP (Michel BILLAUD)
Organization: LaBRI - Universite Bordeaux I - France

In article <92281.123234UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>It is located at   wustl.wuarchive.edu (128.252.135.4) in the
>subdirectory    /mirrors/msdos/sysutil   in the file   DPATH30.ZIP
				-------
				sysutl
>Hope this helps.
Too
>George
Michel

-- 
Michel BILLAUD                 :  billaud@geocub.greco-prog.fr
Departement d'Informatique     :  phone W: 56.84.57.92  // 56.84.69.22
IUT "A", Universite Bordeaux I :  "Personne n'est exempt de dire des sottises.
33405 Talence  (FRANCE)        :   Le malheur est de les dire curieusement"
From: bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Date calculation
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:48:36 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises, Inc.

In article <1992Oct15.171759.13405@tandem.com> nelson_don@comm.tandem.com (Don Nelson) writes:
>Subject: Re: Date calculation
>
>In article <1992Oct14.115134.18885@wisdom.bubble.org>
>I was talking about 2000.   I just threw in the 2100.  I was hoping that
>code
>you and others write today will still work in 2000.  This would not be an
>unlikely occurrence considering that most COBOL programs existing today 
>were written more than eight years ago.
>
>Don Nelson
>COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc
>ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee
>nelson_don@comm.tandem.com

But the divide-by-four rule works with no special cases for 2000.  It's
1900, 2100, etc. that we'd have to watch out for in our code.

I might just put the code in for 2100 to scare people I work
with...<chuckle>

bill
-- 
 *         Bill Cavanaugh       bleys@tronsbox.xei.com          *
 *                                                              *
           "Right now time is having its way with you."
                                            Van Halen
From: Andy.Arnold@f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Andy Arnold)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Another COBOL650 questio
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 08:28:00 -0500

            Jason_donnell_smith wrote  
 +-------------------------------+
>contains the DPATH.COM for the compiler 650.  I only have e-mail

I got COBOL650 to work by fooling around with the ASSIGN and SUBSTITUTE
commands.  I've forgotten exactly I did, but I managed to compile and
link a couple of the example programs.

--Andy

___
 X TLX v1.1 X Oh no!  Not another learning experience!
From: nelson_don@comm.tandem.com (Don Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Date calculation
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:17:59 GMT
     <1992Oct13.213646.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>
     <1992Oct14.115134.18885@wisdom.bubble.org>
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0

Subject: Re: Date calculation

In article <1992Oct14.115134.18885@wisdom.bubble.org>
bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh) wrote:
>Aren't you thinking just little bit far ahead?  It'd be a terrible thing
if
>software engineering stagnates to the point that code I'm writing in
COBOL
>today is still running in 2100 ad....
>

I was talking about 2000.   I just threw in the 2100.  I was hoping that
code
you and others write today will still work in 2000.  This would not be an
unlikely occurrence considering that most COBOL programs existing today 
were written more than eight years ago.

Don Nelson
COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc
ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee
nelson_don@comm.tandem.com
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: dlittle@sscvx1.ssc.gov (DENNIS LITTLE)
Subject: One more Cobol650 question.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:24:00 GMT


I haven't yet gotten into the workings of Cobol 6.50 but do have one question;
Does this compiler have a way to gate to dos to issue commands if needed?
Most things can be done easily from within the compiler, but things like 
reading a directory listing into a temp file aren't possible to my knowledge
in cobol unless it does have a way to exit to dos and pipe the info to a file.

me
Newsgroups: alt.cobol