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From: andy@acorn.co.uk (Andy Ingle)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:56:31 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK

tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:

>I've been introduced to "AMWAY" and whilst it seems to be an interesting
>concept in marketing it smells awfully of "pyramid selling". Though their
>representative assures me that it isn't (but then they would wouldn't
>they?).

The differences are subtle but important.  Pyramid selling is illegal
in the UK (as in various other countries).  A typical pyramid scheme
involves building up a large network of distributors who are each
required to purchase a large initial stock of product, which generates
a nice big bonus for the chain of people upline.  The new distributor
can now recover his money by selling some product to retail customers
or introducing new distributors.  This is very convenient for the
original supplier because he has sold a huge amount of product, but not
much fun for the thousands of distributors who each have a garage-full
of product that may be prove impossible to sell.

Most of the income from an AMWAY business comes from retail of products
to ordinary end-user customers, either from your own retail efforts or
those in the network beneath you.  Only a small proportion comes from
goods purchased by downline distributors for their own use, and there
is almost no purchasing of products for stock.

For more information you should subscribe to alt.business.multi-level.

--Andy
-- 
"You with the broken nose, play the piano."
"But I haven't got a broken nose!"  -- SMACK --  "Play the piano."
From: anselmo@nic.near.net (Ed Anselmo)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for info on job search (Ann Arbor - Oops! not Harbor but Arbor)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:19:28 -0500
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
	<1993Jan6.221017.11971@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.near.net
In-reply-to: suresh@ashwin.enet.dec.com's message of 6 Jan 93 22:10:17 GMT

The University of Michigan job postings are available via the
Internet:

	* Telnet to hermes.merit.edu, enter "um-gopherblue"
	  at the "Which Host?" prompt

	* Or use your favorite gopher client and connect to
	  gopher.uis.itd.umich.edu.

Or dial directly:  313/764-4800  2400
                   313/747-3400  9600(v.32)
                   313/763-6800  19200(v.32)

And you should get a "Which Host?" prompt after you connect.
-- 
Ed Anselmo      anselmo@nic.near.net      NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:8642 rec.travel:17671
From: reil0766@mach1.wlu.ca (reilly derek)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,rec.travel
Subject: work in France- EC job search help needed
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:57:36 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University


I'm a british and canadian citizen living in Canada and looking for
summer employment in France. While there are many approaches available 
from Canada I would still greatly appreciate any information whatsoever
regarding summer employment overseas for british citizens. 
 Names of organizations,projects,and publications, tips, any and all help
will be of great service.

	Sincerely,
			Derek Reilly
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: [David Avery:  NEW LIST: FEDJOBS - Federal Job Openings]
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:24:06 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

From:         David Avery <DAVID%DARTCMS1.BITNET@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
Subject:      NEW LIST: FEDJOBS - Federal Job Openings

FEDJOBS on LISTSERV@DARTCMS1
        or LISTSERV@DARTCMS1.DARTMOUTH.EDU
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   Normally, about 4m bytes of files are available.

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          DAVID@DARTCMS1.DARTMOUTH.EDU
From: sudharta@usc.edu (Hindarman D. Sudharta)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: THANKS TO J.W. SMITH & Paul WONG for Re: Help-me-find-a-job DEAL
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:38:34 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

My thanks to the following people who has tried to help me in
finding a job:
J.W. Smith
  and
Paul T. Wong 

Unfortunately, I cannot send a private mail to them since my account
has already expired and I lost their addresses (my sysadmin didn't give
me warning before deleting the entire contents of my account).
Again, thank you for all of your help.

Sincerely,
Fredy Tan
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: What are some good reference books for a new manager/project leader ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:34:10 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1993Jan6.220051.25499@mks.com> fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) writes:
>A while ago I asked :
>>>What are some good reference books for a new project leader/manager ?
>>>I'm particularily interested in good interviewing techniques, etc.
>
>The responses were :
>
>	*The Mythical Man-Month*  -- Brooks
>	*Peopleware*              -- DeMarco & Lister
>
>and everything by Gerald Weinberg.
>

And any of the One Minute books. I loved the One Minute Manager.

Tom Wolf
From: paradis@sousa.tay.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: What is essence of SUCCESS
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:34:55 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton, MA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

maryanne g wolf (mgw@world.std.com) wrote:
: A person interviewing me for a programming position quite a while ago
: asked me what my favorite color was....

To which I would probably respond, "blue... no, yellow... no... AAAAGGH!!"
And if the interviewer didn't get the reference, I'd think twice about
working with that group 8-)

[Of course, when I've been on the hiring side of the table, I've been known
to greet candidates with: "Before you get to work for me, you first must
answer these quesitons three!" 8-) 8-) 8-) ]

-- 
Jim Paradis (paradis@sousa.tay.dec.com) 
I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked at once!
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:50:03 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.053643.5551@rock.concert.net> alight@rock.concert.net (Alan R Light -- Personal Account) writes:
>
>
>Also, though I've lived in small towns or rural settings all my life
>(Y'all have probably never heard of Waxhaw, NC, where I am right now),
>I've never had "fairly regular visitations" from any religious group,
>except perhaps after beginning regular attendance at a church.  More
>likely, someone who visits regularly may talk about religion.
>
   Hey, I even know where Lizard Lick, NC is.   But for the original
   poster, religion in the south seems to be taken a bit more
   seriously than in some other areas...but it is also taken with a
   bit more irreverent humor than you would expect from watching
   late B movies.

   In both the Dallas and Raleigh area and nearby areas, I NEVER
   had any problems whatever integrating into the community socially
   and having to suffer from unwanted religious discussions.

   This is unlike some sad experiences in the midwest where they
   still argue about monkeys and creation in all seriousness.

   Go down there with dread and a chip on your shoulder and you'll
   hate it.  Go down there and treat folks like you prefer to be
   treated and you'll love it.  But be prepared for a lot of humor
   directed at you....
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:52:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Not today, thank you.
Keywords: AMWAY, pyramid, scam, exotic dancing pralines.

*** My opin only ***
In article <726396102snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
>I've been introduced to "AMWAY" and whilst it seems to be an interesting
>concept in marketing it smells awfully of "pyramid selling". Though their
>representative assures me that it isn't (but then they would wouldn't
>they?).

The saving grace for AMWAY's lawyers resides in the fact that they do deliver a product (as opposed
to only passing money). At least this holds true from the FBI's point of view (I called about another
shady scam, but that scam remained ligit to the FBI because they traded material goods).

Corrections to this appreciated. 

me!
From: cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Vector Marketing
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:58:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


P. Ewing:

You seemed to contradict yourself. First you say it's a sham, and 
then you say you made a decent amount of money. If I may, how
long did you work for them and how much money did you make 
per month?

Can you estimate how much money they make from selling their
sets to representatives and what percentage of that is of
total sales? 

You may respond privately. The only resean I'm not responding
privately is that you don't have a verifyable address.

Thank you.

Virtually, 

Ed
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
From: jtrumbul@coast.almanac.bc.ca (Jim Trumbull)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 16:38:52 PST
Organization: Coast Personnel Services Ltd. Nanaimo, B.C.

bobert@informix.com (Robert Murphy) writes:
> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:

> >How are the products rated in use?

I personnaly have not been exposed to any AMWAY products other than their bug
repellant spray.  It has a very powerful odor but it by far out performed the
others that we used on the coast of British Columbia on logging sites.

During the summers in Knights Inlet, the loggers suffer the ravages of horse
flies, dear flies, mosquitoes, black flies and no-see-ums (aka:you-feel-ums).
Some areas, usually in freshly fallen timber and new road development
(especially in the swampier areas), I remember being assaulted by numbers of
up to 50+ horse flies at a time.  Just like friggin' helicopters touching
down and then flying off with a prime cut of Grade A BC Logger:-( Very annoying.
Amway did a much better job of keeping them off than Deep Woods OFF, Muskol or
Citronella.  Loggers would have to make several applications a day as it would
wear/wash off.  It was not cheap but it was the best.  Our favorite get-even
pass time while taking a lunch break was to stuff twigs up their butts and
watching them work like hell trying to gain altitude while packing a  friggin'
boomstick :-)))  A cigarette paper that is twisted at one end and then inserted
is a nice touch as you can control the flight pattern by putting various bends
and kinks in the paper.  It also made them easy marks for the swallows - love to
see a swallow cruise by with white sticking our of it's beak.

Oh yeah ... AMWAY!

L8r,
WALKIN\JIM
aka: Jim Trumbull
     Staffing Coordinator
     Coast Personnel Services Ltd.
Standard disclaimers apply!

_______________________________________________________________________________

   Coast Personnel Services Ltd., 103-65 Front Street, Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5H9
   Professional Personnel Placement, From the Heart of Vancouver Island
   1-604-753-4465 (Voice)    Compuserve: 71754,2135      1-604-753-2278 (Fax)
   jtrumbul@coast.almanac.bc.ca  (InterNet)                      Jim Trumbull
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - ques
From: jtrumbul@coast.almanac.bc.ca (Jim Trumbull)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 16:24:20 PST
Organization: Coast Personnel Services Ltd. Nanaimo, B.C.

cls@trsvax.tandy.com writes:

> Actually, the Mormons only come around a couple times a year. The "frequent
> visitations" that irk me are the ones on the television.  When I'm clicking m
> remote control and the Christian channels go by...well I'm used to it now
> but if you're from up north you'll find it funny.  They constantly display
> a phone number that you can call to donate money to them, and the hair styles
> and makeup on the people... well it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Yeah ... very sad.  At a _really_ weak point in my life, I was sucked into
donating money to that bawling, blubbering, whining, scum bag  - Jimmy Swaggart.
Turns out that the several hundred dollars that I donated to him to do "Gods
Work" was quite possibly spent on providing Swaggart with prostitutes and
film so that he could photograph the prostitute's children in the buff.
Jimmy Swaggart Ministries continued to send me mail requesting funds for
almost two years after my final payment.  I finally got fed up with his crap
and sent him a letter that got me off of their mailing list:)  Sure wish I
could post it here, but that would be _most_ inappropriate.  Wouldn't wanna be
in Swaggart's spot on judgement day:)

L8r,
Jim Trumbull

Disclaimer: These are my views/opinions.  Coast Personnel has no beef.

_______________________________________________________________________________

   Coast Personnel Services Ltd., 103-65 Front Street, Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5H9
   Professional Personnel Placement, From the Heart of Vancouver Island
   1-604-753-4465 (Voice)    Compuserve: 71754,2135      1-604-753-2278 (Fax)
   jtrumbul@coast.almanac.bc.ca  (InterNet)                      Jim Trumbull
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ace@cs.mcgill.ca (Arthur CHAN)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: THE INTERVIEW FAQ
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:24:20 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

Hello everyone!   I'm new reader of this newsgroup.  I'm not sure if
this is the right newsgroup to  post but I was wondering if anyone has

 1. A list of questions interviewers frequently ask
 2. A list of questions what an interviewee/applicant  SHOULD ask or are
    expected to ask during the interview.
 3. On the same note as 2., a list of questions an applicant SHOULD NOT
    ask.  
 4. General/Good  tips during the INTERVIEW


If anyone has such a list of questions ( or site where I can get the
info ) and even better the APPROPRIATE answers, please email me at :

      ace@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca

I appreciate the help and thanx in advance!

   -Ace    


-- 


                 
                     ^                ^
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: schumanm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Matthias Schumann)
Subject: Addresses of hardware related companies ??
Originator: schumanm@sunbode10.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:32:26 GMT



Hi there,

I don't know wether or not this is a good area to post this message. Pardon me
if I just made a mistake.
I am looking for jobs in the field of hardware design and therefore
I want to write to major corporations in the US (Motorola, Sun, Intel,
DEC, ..). Since all these companies are located at many places over the US
I am looking for the right addresses (snail mail - not e-mail !) to write to. 
If there's anybody who can help please send me an e-mail.

Thanx,
        Matt  
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
Distribution: world
Organization: Job hunters use Parachute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:41:42 +0000

I've been introduced to "AMWAY" and whilst it seems to be an interesting
concept in marketing it smells awfully of "pyramid selling". Though their
representative assures me that it isn't (but then they would wouldn't
they?).

How real is the claim that someone can "make a living at it"?

What, if any, is their philosphosical/religion alignment?

How are the products rated in use?

Is it true that they just bailed out one of the US' major automobile
manufacturers?

I'd be interested in hearing the net-concensus about this company
especially if you're IN with them, but also if you're now OUT.

Regards, Trevor.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Trevor Jenkins                                                Re: "deemed!"
134 Frankland Rd, Croxley Green, Rickmansworth, WD3 3AU, England
email: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk                               radio: G6AJG  
phone: +44 (0)923 776436
From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: >>>> What is essence of SUCCESS
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:12:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.23

In article <1992Dec31.055605.27925@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee) writes:

>through job interviews more often than not.  Telling personnel types how I
>_really_ feel about business ethics, labor relations, the importance of a
>business' "image", William Whyte's proverbial Organization Man, or a host of
>other topics, is something I simply do not see as an option.  

If you're a techie like me you probably don't have any firm views about 
these sorts of things... if they want to understand how I feel about things 
I hardly ever think about, they can take me to lunch.

--
Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au         This post made from 100% recycled electrons.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ges@stiatl.salestech.com (Gerald Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 20:44:44 GMT

alight@rock.concert.net (Alan R Light -- Personal Account) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.192259.15011@dcatlas.dot.gov> joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:
>>
>>Oh, one more thing about the South; one of the very few bad things I have
>>to say about it.
>>You may find a more pathological level of religion and related ignorance
>>there.  You'll never wonder "Now why can't I find a bible-thumper when I
>>want one?" because you will probably receive fairly regular visitations
>>from various churches and religious groups in your community.
>>...

>As a Southerner, I would just like to say that this is the sort of
>"Damn Yankee" attitude that many of us dislike.  Some idiot proclaiming
>that you ought to be polite because they have influence, for example.

I'll second that. Many Northerners are pathologically ignorant about the South.
Maybe they have seen too much TV. 

As a lifelong resident (29yrs) of the dreaded and backward 
South (Bowling Green KY, Nashville TN , Austin TX, and Atlanta GA) . I have
had only one "bible-thumper" knock on my door. 


-- 
___________________________________________________________________
Jerry Sullivan, Sales Technologies, Inc.  Atlanta,GA 
ges@salestech.com,...uupsi!stiatl!ges I don't speak for my employer.
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
From: burton@misty.boeing.com (Brandy Burton-Tarantino)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:37:16 GMT
Subject: Re: How do I know what position I want?
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Looking for high-tech jobs with out-of-doors component
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:53:44 GMT


  Greetings,

  I am a relatively talented software engineer/engineering manager who
finds the 9-5, same office, same commute, same ... to be quite wearing.
I have a number of skills that allow me to exist and be productive in
the out of doors (backpacking, horse packing, EMT, flying, skydiving,
canoeing, sailing, ....) which I would love to apply to my job, if
possible.

  My problem is finding jobs that will utilize both my technology
and my outdoor skills and will also pay a reasonable salary. I would
appreciate pointers to jobs, organizations, publications, and anything
else that might help me find a job that's compatible with my skills
and desires.

  There are a number of other people out there with similar desires,
I believe. I will compile the list of replies and send it out to
anyone interested.

  Thank you.

-David

P.S. If you're curious, my specific skills include:

Technology - software development - Macs, PCs, and Unix platforms.
	     networking design, planning, and tool development for
		TCP/IP and AppleTalk
	     security systems
	     project & personnel management (design, planning, scheduling,
		implementation, etc)
	
Outdoor skills - flying (sailplanes, mostly), backpacking, skydiving,
	     canoeing, riding (horses and motorcycles), sailing, EMT,
	     several Outward Bound trips, some Search and Rescue 
	     experience. Basically, I can get into just about anywhere
	     and survive for a reasonable amount of time and also do
	     productive work
	     
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:22:59 GMT


Oh, one more thing about the South; one of the very few bad things I have
to say about it.
You may find a more pathological level of religion and related ignorance
there.  You'll never wonder "Now why can't I find a bible-thumper when I
want one?" because you will probably receive fairly regular visitations
from various churches and religious groups in your community.
Unfortunately, such groups probably have enough influence that it is best
to be polite to them, even as you are suggesting that they bugger off.
They won't be rude to you; sadly a great many of them probably actually
believe the nonsense they are preaching at you.

-JTT
From: bongo@DIALix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: US dual citizenship info?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:18:37 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I think there
exists a FAQ file on the law about dual US citizenship. Can some
one tell me where to find it and how to get it (anon-ftp, email, ?).
Thanks and cheers!
P.S., just email a reply, thanks.
From: ralph@isis.CSS.GOV (Ralph Webber)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Need UNIX System Laboratories Address/Phone
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:44:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ENSCO, Inc., Melbourne, FL

If anyone knows a phone number or address for UNIX System Laboratories
could you please either post it or e-mail it to me. I know they have
offices located in Summit, NJ if that is of any help. Any help will be
appreciated much.

-- 
<   Ralph Webber            ralph@osiris.css.gov   >
<   ENSCO, Inc.             melbourne, florida     >
<   (407) 254-4122                                 >
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: hongchen@music.ece.nd.edu
Subject: EE Times
Followup-To: hongchen@music.ece.nd.edu
Keywords: EE Times
Reply-To: hongchen@music.ece.nd.edu
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:06:44 GMT

Does anyone have any information on how to subscribe a
journal called "EE Times"?  Any comments will be appreciated.