HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bugs@netsys.com (Mark Hittinger)
Subject: Problems with Irwin tapes on 486/50's?
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:03:56 GMT


Hello everybody.  We just started having an annoying problem on our 486/50
sites.  The backup tapes appear to have some undetected corruption upon
write.  The restore always fails in the same spot on each specific tape.
We can run a backup again and the "bad spot" moves.  The various media are
good.  We have no trouble with 486/33's and below.  We have not gotten ahold
of a 66 yet so I don't know if the problem exists there.

We are using 2.3.4 by the way.


Thanks!


Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg)
Subject: Re: QIC1000 and SCO 3.2.4 Unix
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 22:47:49 GMT

In article <C08o9L.Mr@NCoast.ORG> johng@NCoast.ORG (John Gilbertson) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if support (drivers, etc..) for QIC100 format tape is built
>in with SCO UNIX 3.2.4? This drive is to be used on an NCR 3445 system with
>a SCSI interface.

I just finished replacing an antique 60 MB tape drive with
Emulex SCSI adapter with an Archive 4540NT DAT drive.  Doesn't
seem to be any difference except that the DAT drive holds more
data and seems to be better buffered.  (I get about 8.7 MB/min
backing up with afio on a 486/50, Adaptec 1542A, and Wren V).

The SCO online doco talks about some nifty commands for an HP
DAT drive, but I don't know if they apply to the Archive.

So I would venture that most SCSI cartridge tape drives look about
the same to SCO Unix, "modulo" capacity, speed and reliability.
From an operational aspect, the larger tapes make it easier
to backup more often because one tape holds an entire backup.
It is certainly easier to take one DAT cartridge off-site than
10-30 60 mb cartridges!

BTW, my DAT drive came without a manual, and all I have so far
is a description of the switches.  Any description of what this
drive (Arhcive Python 4540 NT) can do would be welcome.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: ggvvgg@mixcom.com (Dave Fenske)
Subject: Device numbers
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:39:31 GMT

Would any reader happen to know what the correct major/minor numbers
should be on an SCO Xenix system which has a 3.5" diskette for the
device /dev/install and /dev/rinstall?

That is, if you do an ls -l on /dev/install, where the drive you loaded
Xenix from is a 3.5"  high-density diskette, what kind of numbers do
you get.

DF
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: Data recovery from a tar tape
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:22:55 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <Bzw6t7.845@world.std.com> apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence) writes:
>I didn't know that: I assumed that "good" data could be found somewhere
>on the tape.
>
>'Splain me this: if the tape doesn't go to the end, and it (as far as
>I know) rewinds without passing through to the end, how does data
>get damaged?

Okay.  QIC tape drives use a recording format with multiple tracks in
a serpentine arrangement.  Thus, the tracks on a QIC tape are laid out
like this (arrows indicate the direction of tape movement):

BOT----------------->------------------->------------------->---------------
   -----------------<-------------------<-------------------<---------------
   ----------------->------------------->------------------->---------------
EOT-----------------<-------------------<-------------------<---------------

(There are really more tracks than that -- QIC24 (60MB) drives have 9
tracks, while QIC150 (150MB/250MB) drives have 18 tracks -- but you
get the idea.)

When the drive starts writing at the beginning of the tape, the erase
bar (which is right in front of the read/write head) is activated.
The erases bar spans the entire width of the tape, and erases all of
the tracks as the tape moves past it.  So, let's say that you write
enough data to fill up the first 3/4 of track 0.  The tape will look
like this after you're finished (# indicates erased (blank) tape, X
indicates new data, - indicates old data, and $ indicates an EOF
mark);

BOTXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX$$>---------------
   #################<###################<###################<---------------
   #################>###################>###################>---------------
EOT#################<###################<###################<---------------

As you can see, even if you could convince the drive the read past the
second EOF mark (which you can't), most of your old data has already
been erased.  This is a function of the hardware design of a QIC tape
drive, and happens regardless of which archiving program (tar, cpio,
etc.) you use.

None of this is the case if you're dealing with an archive stored on a
floppy disk, of course.  With floppies, it's possible to use a version
of tar that skips garbage and EOF marks to read past the beginning of
the new archive.

-- 
Marc Unangst, N8VRH         | "Of course, in order to understand this you
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   |  have to remember that the nucleus of the atom
                            |  is squishy."
                            |    -W. Scheider, from a Physics lecture
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From: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,biz.sco.general
Subject: Re: Data recovery from a tar tape
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:01:07 GMT
Reply-To: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Followup-To: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Organization: Tallgrass Technologies Inc.

In article <Bzxq50.J0y@world.std.com> apl@world.std.com (Anthony P Lawrence) writes:
>
>My wife has been telling me that I need a break, and I guess she's right.
>
>I should have paid attention to how many other things I've screwed up
>this week! But, nooo...
>
>Therefore, on the advice of my wife, I am refaining from attempting to
>use what is left of my brain for anything more involved than formatting
>floppies.


I have had weeks like that.  

Do yourself a favor, don't format any floppies.  Don't ask, it was to 
stupid to talk about.





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Newsgroups: comp.unix.large
From: colin@fujitsu.ca (Colin Dykstra)
Subject: Re: Unix for 3090E and up
Keywords: 3090 unix
Organization: Fujitsu Systems Busines of Canada, Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:42:29 GMT

Gary,

In article <1992Dec10.202551.11365@gov.on.ca> gary@gov.on.ca (Gary van Rassel) writes:
>
>I am looking for vendors who market versions of unix which run on 
>mainframes (3090E and up). 
>
>If such a list already exists I would appreciate finding out where to
>find it. Otherwise I would appreciate hearing about them.
>
>I know Amdahl has UTS and IBM AIX/ESA. Are there any others?
>

Fujitsu has developed and markets a version of System V, R4 for
mainframe class machines.  This operating system is known as
"UXP/M".  There are several large systems running this O.S.
including the worlds largest UNIX system (an Australian 
Government Department support over 1,000 users on a single
machine).

UXP/M is a true UNIX implementation (as opposed to a shell 
under another operating system) for IBM 370 architecture machines.
Fujitsu also markets a full line of mainframe systems known as
the "M-Series".

Regards,

Colin Dykstra
(colin@fujitsu.ca)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.large
From: bytheway%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Sidney Bytheway)
Subject: Re: Unix for 3090E and up
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:02:16 MST
Keywords: 3090 unix
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec18.194229.25117@fujitsu.ca> colin@fujitsu.ca (Colin Dykstra) writes:

>UXP/M is a true UNIX implementation (as opposed to a shell 
>under another operating system) for IBM 370 architecture machines.

AIX/ESA is also a "true UNIX implementation" (the OSF flavor) that runs on
the hardware, not as a shell under another operating system.

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From: natalie@uts.amdahl.com (Natalie Jafari)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.large
Subject: Re: Unix for 3090E and up
Keywords: 3090 unix
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:21:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <b5.m02B=2f=s01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> daf00@da.amdahl.com (Dana A Freiburger) writes:
>
>Colin,
>
>UTS is not a 'shell' version Unix, but runs native on an
>IBM XA (not 370) machine.  Amdahl uses UTS internally with
>600-800 users logged on at a time on a 4 processor machine.
>Just adding a few facts to the discussion...
>
>
>Dana
> 

Amdahl has more than 11 years experience in the development of UNIX system 
solutions. 

In fact, the next release of UTS or UTS4 (General Availability = April 1993)
is based on UNIX System Laboratories'(USL) SVR4.1 Enhanced Security(SVR4.1ES).
UTS4 is a value added 370-architecture specific SVR4.1ES that has been enhanced
to extend a standard compliant, open system operating system to the Enterprise
environment. Amdahl has added approximately 5 million lines of code to provide
value-added enhancements required by commercial, enterperise customers (in
comparison to the 2 million lines of code shipped by USL).

Some of the UTS4 value added features are MP kernel (that's right. UTS4
provides symmetric multiprocessing support for configurations up to 
eight-way processors), config(1M), migration aid tools and backup/restore 
and many more commands and features.

Amdahl's UTS Release 4 offers increased compliance to key open systems industry
standards, including: AT&T SVID, Issue 3; the IEEE POSIX Part 1(P1003.1),
System Application Program Interface(API); and, the X/OPEN Portability 
Guide, Issue 3 (XPG3), OSI(Government OSI Profile(GOSIP)), X/Windows V11R4,
OSF Motif 1.1 GUI standards, etc.

The following are some of the main features of UTS4:

.Operating System enhancements in the following areas:
	1- Virtual Memory Architecture
	2- Mapped Files
	3- Job Control
	4- STREAMS-based character I/O system
	5- Device-Kernel Interface

.File System  

UTS4 has the following filessytems: Virtual File System(VFS), Amdahl's
Extended File System(EFS), u4K (Amdahl's implementation of UNIX file system,
enhanced to use a 4K block size to match the 370-XA page size) and
ufs (BSD's fast file system).

.networking (TCP/IP, etc) 
.Real Time Processing
.User Interfaces
.Enhanced Security

Also, in the next release of UTS4(in 2 Quarter 1993)
Amdahl will provide UltraNet and 4655(i.e. VCSHost, Async terminals, OSI WAN
and BX.25), STK 4400 tape silo, X/Windows V11R5, Motif 1.2, ESCON, 6390 native,
SNMP agent, Amdahl UniTree, VCS Fiber Support for 4655 Datakit, etc. etc.
From: daf00@da.amdahl.com (Dana A Freiburger)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.large
Subject: Re: Unix for 3090E and up
Keywords: 3090 unix
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:02:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Colin,

UTS is not a 'shell' version Unix, but runs native on an
IBM XA (not 370) machine.  Amdahl uses UTS internally with
600-800 users logged on at a time on a 4 processor machine.
Just adding a few facts to the discussion...


Dana
 

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Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA      |      (408) 746-3414        |
[     The opinions expressed above are mine, solely, and do not     ]
[    necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corp    ]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc
From: brian@SJF.Novell.COM (Brian Meek)
Subject: Re: POSIX anyone.
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:10:49 GMT

In article <Bzz9z8.1FD@Novell.COM> tony_wosnjuk@novell.com writes:
>Has anybody heard of POSIX?
>
>Where can I get hold of a copy?

Hello Tony,

If only POSIX were so tangible... :-).  Thousands of pages of
specifications that exist "to support application portability at the
source code level...".

Stephen Walli posted an article titled "POSIX - Caving In Under Its
Own Weight (Long)" that kicks off a rather insightful thread over on
comp.std.unix.  You might want to check it out...  

-- brian
___________________________________________________________________________
Brian Meek                      Novell, Inc. -- Desktop Systems Group
                                Internet mail:  brian@Novell.COM
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.sysv386
From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (Stew Ellis)
Subject: Re: What's happening to ISC UNIX?
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:32:44 GMT

zeke@fasttech.com (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:

>>When ISC decided not to deliver on their promises they should have
>>offered refunds.  I remember being surprised that they didn't, even
>>in light of their poor support on earlier products.

>The rule of caveat emptor applies to ALL software. Buy from someone like
>Egghead that lets you take it back if you don't like it. The same applies
>to mail order.

>I'm suprised that people buy software for "futures". There are a lot of lying
>scum out there selling things they have no intention of delivering. Sometimes,
>even honest companies can't deliver what they promised.

>You should buy software for what it does for you here and now. Not for any of
>that "strategic roadmap" diarrhea that comes from the mouths of lying Liberal
>Arts Marketing Slime. I've had to relearn this lesson so many times. I suspect

I know lots of lying scum sales droids who have technical backgrounds.
People do not lie because they don't know the facts, they lie because they
are inferior human beings.  I have met my fair share of deficient humans
with all sorts of backgrounds, but the best techies are the ones with a true
appreciation for what it means to be human.  Only the people who are hooked
up with the human experience can truly come up with useful art.

>others have, also.

>Now, to make this diatribe at least somewhat relevant to the subject line.

>You should buy ISC Unix 3.2 NOW for what it does for you NOW. Buy svr4 Unixes
>for what they do for you NOW. If you think you want Solaris, then wait till
>SunSoft delivers it instead of buying something with the idea of upgrading.

>My sympathies to those who got screwed on Intel/ISC svr4. Don't repeat the same
>mistake by buying into vaporware again.

Of course the real problem is that people want more than they paid for.
Witness people who buy a house to get rich on inflation rather than just
having a nice place to live.

Back to SYSV, there are even parts of the 3rd generation Dell release that
are not working yet, and even parts of the Solaris 2 distribution.  I
support what you say about buying sofware for what it can do for you now,
but part of now is preparing for the future.  In some ways my Intel
SYSVR4.0.3 is a better product for me now than a more stable but less
featureful version.  In some ways I spend a lot of time spinning my wheels,
but that is true with obscure parts of all UNIXes.


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From: zeke@fasttech.com (Bohdan Tashchuk)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: What's happening to ISC UNIX?
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:37:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: fasttech.1992Dec22.033723.22775
Organization: Fast Technology

>When ISC decided not to deliver on their promises they should have
>offered refunds.  I remember being surprised that they didn't, even
>in light of their poor support on earlier products.

The rule of caveat emptor applies to ALL software. Buy from someone like
Egghead that lets you take it back if you don't like it. The same applies
to mail order.

I'm suprised that people buy software for "futures". There are a lot of lying
scum out there selling things they have no intention of delivering. Sometimes,
even honest companies can't deliver what they promised.

You should buy software for what it does for you here and now. Not for any of
that "strategic roadmap" diarrhea that comes from the mouths of lying Liberal
Arts Marketing Slime. I've had to relearn this lesson so many times. I suspect
others have, also.

Now, to make this diatribe at least somewhat relevant to the subject line.

You should buy ISC Unix 3.2 NOW for what it does for you NOW. Buy svr4 Unixes
for what they do for you NOW. If you think you want Solaris, then wait till
SunSoft delivers it instead of buying something with the idea of upgrading.

My sympathies to those who got screwed on Intel/ISC svr4. Don't repeat the same
mistake by buying into vaporware again.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc
From: tony_wosnjuk@novell.com
Subject: POSIX anyone.
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:33:08 GMT


Has anybody heard of POSIX?

Where can I get hold of a copy?

Thanks.

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From: miket@frog.CRDS.COM (Michael C Tiernan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc
Subject: Re: POSIX anyone.
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:20:37 GMT
Organization: Charles River Data Systems

In article <1480@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>In article <Bzz9z8.1FD@Novell.COM> tony_wosnjuk@novell.com writes:
>>Has anybody heard of POSIX?  Where can I get hold of a copy?
>This question is sort of like:
>"Has anyone ever heard of water?  Where can I get a glass?"  :-)

Mike, I think it would be better put as:
	"Has anyone ever heard of water?  Where can I get a pound?"

I'm sorry Tony but it's begging to be said.

However, in the spirit of education and being a good neighbor, the POSIX
standard (*COUGH*) is maintained (*COUGH*COUGH*) by the IEEE, you can
contact them for more information.

I don't have the address handy but I'm sure that someone else out there
has it.
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UUCP = alfalfa!pro-angmar!m.tiernan OR miket@frog.UUCP
      It's too bad that it takes almost half of our life
	to realize that it was a "Do-It-Yourself" project.
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc
Subject: Re: POSIX anyone.
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:06:36 GMT
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA

In article <Bzz9z8.1FD@Novell.COM> tony_wosnjuk@novell.com writes:
>Has anybody heard of POSIX?  Where can I get hold of a copy?

This question is sort of like:
"Has anyone ever heard of water?  Where can I get a glass?"  :-)
-- 
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Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
From: furballs@sequent.com (Paul Penrod)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.misc
Subject: Re: POSIX anyone.
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:02:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan2.060232.27199
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1480@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>In article <Bzz9z8.1FD@Novell.COM> tony_wosnjuk@novell.com writes:
>>Has anybody heard of POSIX?  Where can I get hold of a copy?
>
>This question is sort of like:
>"Has anyone ever heard of water?  Where can I get a glass?"  :-)
>-- 

Considering Novell is in the process of purchasing USL, questions
like the above leave me wondering about UNIX's future... :)


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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
Subject: Re: Novell bought USL?
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:19:06 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>>As opposed to the OS discussed in this group, i.e. Netware NT? :-) :-) :-)
>
>Haven't seen any discussions of that, just Unixware, which adds an IPX
>interface allowing someone to connect to a NetWare server, while removing
>the man pages, compiler, and probably a few other things.

I.e., Netware NT....  (The little glyphs composed of a colon, a hyphen,
and a right-parenthesis were meant to indicate that my referring to SVR4
as "Netware NT" was meant as a joke....)

>>(Are you saying that a Novell-owned USL will, in some way, not handle
>>UNIX as well as an AT&T-owned USL is doing?  If so, how?  And why?)
>
>AT&T/USL has simply been bumbling fools regarding marketing and future
>development paths. Novell is in the position of taking over an active
>competitor. I expect the functionality to drop drastically, with the
>price skyrocketing.
>
>Why? Why else? To force the market to NetWare.
>
>I've posted at greater length in comp.sys.novell.

Yes, and you've said, for example:

> >an awefully grumpy response.  Can you not give it a chance?
> 
> I could, but I can't think of one instance in which a company has
> taken over a competitor, and the acquired company hasn't been destroyed,
> with their products "made compatable with the overall corporate plan" 
> (i.e., replaced, compatability be dammed).
> 
> NCR was a major manufacturer of 680x0-based computers. They were bought
> by AT&T; no more 68Ks.

which, among other things, fails to note that NCR *also* was moving to,
or may have *already* moved to, *86-based computers, *and* fails to note
that the computer line that disappeared in the merger was mainly AT&T's
not NCR's...

...i.e., you've shown no evidence here that AT&T/NCR is *NOT* an case
where the acquired company wasn't destroyed, with their products
"replaced, compatibility be damned".

I predict that Novell's intention is also not to nuke a competitor; in
fact, I'll bet you $1000 that, whilst the cuddly little hacker's UNIX,
with "grep" as the shining peak of its technology, may or may not remain
(although I'll also bet that "Netware NT" will still have "grep" in it),
Novell will *not* nuke the UNIX API, and the resulting system will still
be able to run applications out there in the market for UNIX - probably
including GCC and company, for those who prefer to get their
applications from "comp.sources.unix" - and that they will *not* try to
kill UNIX in favor of their existing NetWare server OS.

If that's not a big enough bet for you, I may be willing to crank it up
higher....
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sys5.r4
From: ddewolfe@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dave DeWolfe)
Subject: gcc-2.3.2 binaries wanted
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:08:30 GMT

I need gcc-2.3.2 binaries for gcc and c++.  Basically everything that I
would get if i built it myself.

I tried already; but not enuf space on my system.

My system is Esix 4.0.4.

Any ftp sites? 

Thanks, 

Dave

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