HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: NEED Jack's home address
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:49:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) says:

>In article 1gotrvINN3cj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>>
>>I'm looking for Jack Tramiel's home address.
>
>
>I wondered what you were doing with all those bottles of gasoline in your car!
>
>:)
>---
>

Trust me, if I was going after someone at the company, it wouldn't
be Jack.  He didn't do Commodore any harm.

>

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From: jmillar@monet.helios.nd.edu (jay millar)
Subject: Re: Warwick's personal problems
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:55:03 GMT


The immaturity of some of the people posting to this net is really amazing!

I know I'm only a college student, but isn't this net supposed to be used
for the discussion of USEFUL and INFORMATIVE topics?

If you're going to bash someone, why don't you do it by e-mail instead of
over the entire network?


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 prejudice and fear walk hand in hand."  Neil Peart, Witch Hunt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: qb7g6@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat)
Subject: sticky bit equivalent in Mint?
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:43:44 GMT

Is there a sticky bit equivalent in Mint? I want to have a few
toswin windows around running tcsh, each eating about 360K. 
Running gcc to compiler C++ programs seems to fail because of lack
of memory. I do manage to run gcc with hardware scrolling, so I guess
the solution will be for me to have all those shells with only one
text segment in memory. I use gcc 2.2.2, Mint 0.94, tcsh, TOS 1.0, 3Mb.

Any reaction is appreciated!
-- 
Maarten J. Landzaat (analyst/programmer, bass player, Atari/midi freak)
BSO/Aerospace & Systems			Mail: Spuistraat 97
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Annual Summary - Christmas Special
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada) writes:

>The first person to bitch about the fact that I want a free one rather than
>a commercial one will be verbally decapitated. I am so sick of meaningless
>flamewars in normally educational and sane newsgroups. (Of course, the mere
>mention of a flamewar is likely to start one...)


I'm SICK AND TIRED of people bitching about people bitching about flamewars
being started by people mentioning that a flamewar might be started by their
mentioning a flamewar that hasn't even happened yet, in fact, probably wont
happen until late February... meanwhile, I can get an amiga flamewar RIGHT
NOW, since they are being released next week as freeware, but all they include
is a crippleware version of Game Workbench converted to the Lynx platform
by some demo crew that used some ugly hack to get more than True colour
on a VGA monitor... yet it doesn't even include a hardware clock, even though
the official documentation states that it has a 14MHz clock, gee, I'm sick
of being LIED to by these companies, especially Bill Gates, and if you
want the IP numbers for atari.archive.umich.edu, all you need to do is
read memory location 0xFC7413, but you need to be in supervisor mode to
do that, so you'll need to get a pirated version of DisAssempro, but
that's okat because the DisAssempro has already made enough money, and
besides, I have children to feed, so I can't afford software, especially
since I'm saving up for a Falcon... luck DC bit the big banana, because now
I can get all their warez off the net... I wonder if they have something
to fix my broken SM125 monitor, because I'm loyal to Atari, and I think
people should stop complaining about how long this post is and BUY BUY BUY
some shareware - what's wrong with Blox - and how the bejeezus can I hook-up
my 8-channel DSP device at the same time as my softmodem, even if I can run
the software in TrueColour - not that I have enough memory, since I only have
a 1M machine, and the bus is so slow now that it's only a 16bit bus - damned
lying officials, almost as bad as the version 0.01 Gemulator I bought
for 0.02c - it didn't even run under PCdittoII, what a pile of junk, are
they still in business?

And is Lemmings out for the Atari TSTFM+e030?
And what's MiNT?
And how do I set up GCC?


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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Keywords: Theft
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:58:07 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1gm1j5INN1dsn@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de writes:
> <blah blah>
> Now, an increased percentage of people from  an  user
> base  of  increased size call your hotline, and the wires of your
> phone will glow so brightly you even can  spare  light  bulbs  in
> your  house  :-).  Charging for calling the hotline will probably
> turn out to be a real gold mine, <blah blah>

Umm, don't you suppose the only reason people are calling that helpline
is because it's free? Charging for it will just make the calls dry up
completely. The unbelievable nerve and stupidity of these idiots
asking for free support for a program they ripped off. Just reinforces
the old salesman's adage, never underestimate the stupidity of the
"customer".

--

ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
From: an375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: gcc baserel tcsh etc (was Re: Virtual Memory on MultiTos)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:12:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Baker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith) says:

>In article <1992Dec16.043917.1193@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas) writes:
>>Another topic I was wondering about was whether MiNT (and thus MultiTos)
>>does the following: When a program is loaded, say program X. If the program
>>is loaded again in another window / by another user / by a background shell
>>script, will the operating system notice that it is already loaded and just
>>use the copy in memory (but having a local stack and program pointers)
>
>If the program was compiled so that it doesn't have any absolute
>references to data (e.g. it uses an address register as a base pointer)
>then this is possible. However, most programs cannot be so shared,
>because they do contain absolute references (and thus every copy of
>the program would share the same data and variables).
>
>(gcc can compile shared text programs if it is given the -mbaserel
>parameter)

	I was wondering what that meant.  The new mintlib readme metions 
-mpcrel (or something).  What does this mean; under what conditions will
gcc generate non-pc-relative code?  Does the new gcc support both shared 
and private data in the same program?
	I would also like to bother you about tcsh.  I have version 6.00.02,
and it doesn't complete dir names.  Is 6.02.00 available?  Also, would it 
be fairly simple to support threading and other options through shell_p?
And finally, how come tcsh needs such a huge stack?
-- 
"I dont want to erad this sick s**t what the hell is wrong with people who 
think theyre elves?"  I'm not sure which way to interpret that.
" I can type and I will not be judged by tping skills"
"cross yourself.  scream once more.  move yourself across the floor."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Keywords: Theft
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:40:12 GMT

In article <3895@isgtec.isgtec.com> ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman) writes:
>In article <1gm1j5INN1dsn@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de writes:
>> <blah blah>
>> Now, an increased percentage of people from  an  user
>> base  of  increased size call your hotline, and the wires of your
>> phone will glow so brightly you even can  spare  light  bulbs  in
>> your  house  :-).  Charging for calling the hotline will probably
>> turn out to be a real gold mine, <blah blah>
>
>Umm, don't you suppose the only reason people are calling that helpline
>is because it's free? Charging for it will just make the calls dry up
>completely. The unbelievable nerve and stupidity of these idiots
>asking for free support for a program they ripped off. Just reinforces
>the old salesman's adage, never underestimate the stupidity of the
>"customer".

In light of the FACT that people are going to pirate software, moral
or immoral, is it not sensible to try to come up with SOME sort of
alternative means of getting paid?

One solid FACT is the fact that for many pieces of software, customers
are NOT primarily paying for the development cost, but rather for
CONTINUING SUPPORT.  (I did NOT say "for ALL software".  I said "for
MANY pieces of software".)

Moreover, in such cases, the fees charged tend to be HIGHER than those
charged for "Mass Market" stuff.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: vombruch@quando.quantum.de (Stefan vom Bruch)
Subject: Re: Falcon DOES have Super-VGA
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:10:15 GMT

Warwick Allison (warwick@cs.uq.oz.au) wrote:
: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells) writes:
: 
: >[ST-format say] the Falcon can display Super-VGA graphics (640*480*256
: >is hardly super-VGA).
: 
: All a graphics system need to claim "Super-VGA" is better than 640*480
: resolution.  Since the Falcon can do overscan, hence 768x576 pixels,
: it is, technically, Super-VGA.

Actually "hi-rez" VGA modes only include 640x480x16 and 320x200x256, anything
above that qualifies as SVGA including 640x480x256.

Stefan


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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon DOES have Super-VGA
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:00:23 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

There is a 'Super-VGA' card for the MS-DOS machine.  The Falcon's 'Super VGA'
is not compatible with this.  Nuff said!
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| If I told you how much I needed this, I wouldn't have time to eat it!  ZB  |
==========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================
From: kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Kosmatos Odisseas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Blitter - what does it do besides bitcopy?
Summary: Rotating sprites, etc..
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:46:07 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1gvg4tINNqmm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399 (Len Stys) writes:

>A Blitter is a bitmap copying and transformation chip?
>Is this all that it does?
>
>Most other game systems use a very fast graphics chip to take care of
>the sprites, scaling, scrolling, etc.
>
>The SNES has a CPU speed of 3.58 MHz!  Everyone looked at this speed
>and laughed, but the graphics chip showed that the speed of the processor
>did not matter too much at all.
---

What this tells us is that this game machine is limited to shoot-em-ups and
simple games where there are a bunch of sprites moving around all the time.
But what about games with 3-D graphics (no sprites, just a lot of filled-in
polygons to draw) that require many calculations to rotate, scale, etc.
These are not 2D sprites so the graphics chip won't help any. (I guess)

The Falcon has an optional 16Mhz 68882 which could help in 3D graphics.

>The Sega Genesis is based on a 68000 CPU at the speed of 7.6 MHz.
>This system pretty much relies on the programmer for rotation, etc.
>BUT I'm pretty sure it still has a graphics chip.  And I'm POSITIVE
>that the Sega CD-ROM player has an especially designed graphics chip
>for rotation.
>
>Recently, Nintendo announced to the world that it has developed a graphics
>chip that will be powerful enough for 3-D imaging.
---

Well this changes everything. If they have that, then they would probably
be able to do some fancier things than the Falcon could manage. (well see)

>If the Falcon030 does NOT have a graphics chip that is responsible for
>these features, won't the video game systems pass this system by?

Sure, it would'nt be hard for someone who is only making a game machine
to 'beat' a more general device like the Falcon: The Falcon is also good
at other things, it was not solely designed as a game machine.

>Also, if the JAGUAR has a 64-bit RISC graphics chip like we all suppose
>that it will, the Falcon030 will NOT be able to run any of those games.
>
>I don't know.  If I was Atari, I'd try to get the Falcon030 and Jaguar
>to both have the same graphics chip.  This way game developers would be
>more willing to make games for these systems.  And Atari would have an
>edge over systems.
---

They have an edge in other things with the Falcon. For example, as a
home computer that can do other things as well. (And a dsp + sampler)

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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon DOES have Super-VGA
Date: 20 Dec 92 03:49:21 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <11458@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
> Actually, the term "Super-VGA" is even less defined than "True Colour".
> All a graphics system need to claim "Super-VGA" is better than 640*480
> resolution.

As far as I'm aware, this is wrong. SuperVGA is anything better than
VGA. It does NOT mean just resolution. Original VGA maxed out at 
640x480x16 colours, and could not do 640x480x256 colours, while
SuperVGA can. Therefore 640x480x256 colours is indeed in the range
of SuperVGA by virtue of the number of simultaneous colours. There
are however also higher resolutions in SuperVGA as well, which to
my great disappointment the Falcon can't do. :(

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ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
From: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: UW and SYS V (was UW and terminal emulation....)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:46:11 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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Keywords: adm31 vt100
Originator: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU

kruel@phys-chemie.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Thomas-Martin Kruel) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.075253.23556@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch) writes:
>>I have uw running again, and would like to know if there is gonna be a
>>newer release for the atari the supports vt100.  I like uw alot, and would
>>also like to see maybe zmodem file support..  Anybody out there working on
>>uw for the atari anymore??
>>
>John,

BTW, has anyone succesfully hacked the code/makefiles to get it to compile 
under SYS V? I sure would appreciate it as I am _NO_ C guru.

Thanks,

Greg.
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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: DATAlight
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:26:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Thank you for the information about DATALight, Gerhard..

It sounds like an exciting application for my ever-shrinking
hard drive..!

BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:00:59 GMT

In article <1gmusnINN4ev@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> mjuschke@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Michael Juschke) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Does anybody know, how to get programs like 'Lotus Turbo Challange 2' ,
>'Falcon' and 'Printmaster' to work from a harddisk ?
>They are easy to copy to harddisk, but they either crash or tell me that
>since being copied over they are no longer an 'authorised copy', which
>they are on disk.

The second Falcon mission disk includes a utility to install the game on HD.
There was also a PD program that would do this a couple of years ago, but I
don't know where you might find it today... I may still have a copy...


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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Best Llamatron Score
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:55:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

> Argh..   I *still* want to know how you get past Level 51 the second time
> around..

The SECOND time?  Good lord.  That's the one where the bad guys you shoot
become floating land mines, right?  And the ones you don't shoot fly at you
at a ridiculous speed?

Speaking of Llamatron, I'd like to know if the address on the opening screen
is still valid, or if there's a US address yet.  This is one of the few
shareware programs I actually feel is worth sending in money for, so I
intend to do so.

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Price Quotes?
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:45:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Dec11.130125.3307@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>
>I know noone has any machines on the shelf yet, but have any of you gotten
>price quotes from dealers?  Anybody know of any dealers actually taking
>reservations for machines yet?  Since there are no real dealers here in MA
>anymore, curious if dealers *anywhere* are gearing up to sell Falcons.

A price list from one dealer was listed in last week's Z*Net.  I'm sure any
Atari dealer is willing to take orders on a Falcon.  




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: christof@wowbagger.pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Christoph Koerner)
Subject: Re: GIF/RAW/RCS/SPC ETC.
Organization: University of Bremen, Germany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:19:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.154036.2457@sae.com> malay@sae.com writes:

>If you're talking about pchrome3's gif function - it's not that execellent -
>apparently, it has a problem dealing with gifs that are smaller than 320x200 -
>a gif that is 200x200 will look like it has been "stretched" horizontally with
>equally-spaced vertical black bands "filling" in the necessary area to make
>a 320x200. If this 200x200 gif is "padded" with "black space" on either side
>to make it a 320x200 then the gif function of pchrome3 works fine.

Another problem (distorting the picture out of its "true" proportions)
seems to occur with GIFs that have their height greater than their
width.  It would be a *great* thing if the "squash picture/select
320x200 section of picture" option could be extended to handle cuts of
arbitrary size from the original picture (maybe even allow the user to
distort his selected section thus giving complete control over any
part of the picture. I know this is not easy to implement.)

>All in all, pchrome3 is the BEST display program yet for the ST - they just need
>to work out a few kinks.

Yes, the quality is amazing. They really should continue their
excellent work. BTW, on my 3MB (german) TOS 1.4 machine the
DoubleClick PCS viewer seems to lock up, i.e. it displays the picture
correctly, but I can't get back to the desktop again. Is there some
esoteric key combination to be pressed to quit (yes, I've tried the
mouse buttons as well), or is it a problem with the TOS or the
programme itself?

While I'm complainig:
A *serious* flaw of the native PCS viewer/slideshow is that it expects
the pictures to be on drive a! This *really* needs to be fixed! :-)

Christoph
From: dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Second floppy on Falcon
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:19:15 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <72073@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
> Peter Missel writes:
> j> WHAT??? NO EXTERNAL FLOPPY????
>>Why not connect a Floptical to the SCSI-2 port? Try this on the Amiga 1200..
>  
> How about $300 as a reason..?
> 
> Given a retail price of $799 for the entire Falcon, do you really think
> it's reasonable to tell people to expect to pay more than 40% of the
> cost of the computer to just add a floppy disk drive..?
> 
> How do you explain to someone who would like to add a $42 floppy drive
> that it's going to take a Floptial 21 Meg drive to accomplish what they
> want to do..?
>  
> BobR
> 	


  OK guys, I have the reason why there is no external floppy on the Falcon.

	The disc drive would take too much power away from the new

				FLACONbOOk 030

        Coming RSN...         /  /
                               (
                             \__/ Mark Santora
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030 in Keyboard Magazine
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:13:46 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Dec12.231159.7126@u.washington.edu> mpark@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Park) writes:
>Just FYI, there's a write-up on the Falcon in the January 1993
>issue of Keyboard (a music/MIDI magazine), pp. 103-104.

There's also a 1/4-page brief about the Falcon in the December 1992 issue
of New Media, a magazine that focuses on desktop multimedia.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Falcon Price Quotes?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:41:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.130125.3307@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>
>I know noone has any machines on the shelf yet, but have any of you gotten
>price quotes from dealers?  Anybody know of any dealers actually taking
>reservations for machines yet?  Since there are no real dealers here in MA
>anymore, curious if dealers *anywhere* are gearing up to sell Falcons.

No more dealers in MA (Massachusetts?)? What happened to Bit Bucket?


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