From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Date: 14 Dec 1992 08:48:42 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Seems an appropriate thread to return to.  I'm back in NYC for the
rag-end dozen days of my stay here, after a little gratuitous flying off
to see a farflung member of the soc.bi community (and yes, it was loads
of fun, thankyou for asking).  I'm much the same as ever, if rather
tired, and with some rather neat big silver feathers hanging from my
ears and a Two Nice Girls CD found in a local lesbian bookstore.  Now,
what have we to elicit a response?  Ah yes - Nick :-)

nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>Micchelino (Mike Lloyd, if you insist):

Well, I'm not going to insist either way.  MikeL also serves to identify
me, or you could plump for RH (RetHip) ...

>Remember our little exchange on trad-ism?

Depends - do you mean the ones way back, or the recent one I ducked
altogether? *grin* I guess I could plead lack of time, but the fact
remains that I wasn't intending to defend monomonogamophobia in any
coherent fashion.  Put another way .. yeah, Nick, I agree with you ..
<hark; is that a rending of the universes I hear?> Being trad is A-OK.
It doesn't ring my bell [Aside: as recently noted, I get my perverse
tittilation from those people who can give the other sort of head; I
also reserve a large soft spot (just over here) for those people who
make interesting noises when I knead their backs into new shapes.
Whether you plus anyone else here, fit these is moot in all but a few
cases, but I'm a rabid experimentalist :-) ].  This narrowness of vision
on my part doesn't affect the worth of tradism.

OK, so I'm jumpy enough to expect to see the whole spectrum of
institutionalized horrors embodied in those who wear formal attire
outside working hours.  But Nick, you and your Beige Suits(tm) are
hardly out to Gordon Geckoize the known world into a
"Family"-Values-Plus-Greed utopia for the nonfemales of uncolour.

You be trad, I'll play with my hippy affectations, and I'm sure we'll
all just get along swimmingly.  In fact, on This Flight Tonite (JM) I
re-read a chunk of Kundera's "Unbearable Lightness" (which I'd been
reading previously at a rate of about 3 pages a week) of much relevance,
on the universality of kitsch.  I'd love to give a relevant quote, but
it'd run to about 20 pages.  Every line's a cracker, but somehow I think
that's more bandwidth than even I will consume.  Let me just note his
point that we all have our realm of kitsch, that idea which we see as
somehow pure (he phrases it in terms of denial of shit).  It makes you
like Beige Suits(tm) and makes me like long hair and fringed jackets.
Come to think of it, it probably makes several people het, and may
account for a few non-hets too.  But that's a bit deep, and I'd rather
not start the wholesale quoting.

>Muffy Barocky: It is *NOT* *TRUE* I was scandalised by your apparel in your 
>.gif! NOT TRUUUUUE, I telle yow!

gif?  gif?  What gif?  (OK, so I have a fair supply of photos of Muffy
as it is, but this may be one I haven't seen - a situation which I could
not allow to persist.)  From your twisted description of the apparel
involved, it sounds like it could be that stretchy black thingy with
clasps on one side, and that serves to remind me.  There *should* be a
photo of me wearing that ... Muffy?  Did A ever produce that?

>--- and *I* was expecting
>a well-ventilated evening gown, with strategically placed rips

*laugh* Nick, you don't know Muffy!  She'd look astounding in an airy
evening gown, but well, it just ain't her chic, y'know?  Not unless it
was black, and *very* well-ventilated ...  What she calls "a dress" I
generally call "a good provocation to heart-failure".

>Jennifer Broekman: forgiven? *Forgiven*?! Do you know what your e-flirts
>*did* to a whole generation of net.newbies?! *The Horror! The Horror!*

I can only imagine.  "The Horror!  The Horror!" .. ah yes.  I remember
the night I was leaving (the parents') home, and in need of some
relaxation, so I flicked on the TV in the early AM.  On top of my
disquiet, I hit Apocalypse Now.  "And like a fool I mixed em; one was
Texas medicine, the other was just railroad gin" (Dylan, as ever).
Wouldn't mind seeing it again as I move on.  Y'wanna know why tradism
freaks me out, Nick?  Watch Duvall.  "I love the smell of fresh napalm
in the morning ... surf, soldier!"  (OK, wildly off as a quote, but has
some of the, ah, spirit.)

>Nikos Kazantzakis: all hail, compatriot. I'll get the better of you yet...
>and that's the kind of thing you'd like me to do anyway...

Oof.  You give me a sore conscience, Nick.  K's "Last Temptation" is on
that extremely short list of books I picked up and dropped without
completing.  Even given my love of the chewy, and my particular
adoration for anything heretical with connections to my Alma Mater,
Xtianity, I could not make it through that book.  Maybe some other time.
Or perhaps I'll be Greek in my next life, and will understand it then
... :-)

>Geoffrey Chaucer: God wot, Geoffrey, Iwis I will anon thi _Troilus_
>rede, whiche that a feministick interpretaccioun beareth...

"feministick"?  Is that what the Thought Police beat you up with, if you
buy them donuts and ask them really nicely?  *grin*

hugs
Mike, in duodecultimate mood
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