HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: TT dates
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:46:44 GMT
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You have a misunderstanding of the tiny tafel lines. They are in fact extremely flexible and be used to satisfy those who want to be specific as well as those who want to be very broad.
 
You mention two issues for you -
1. You do not know the birthdate of the earliest ancestor. Then use any date you do know. Remember the tafel line is not intended to impart exact "proved" information. It is itended to give enough informatioon so someone reading it would believe it would be useful to contact you. Use whatever date you think gives a good picture of the extent of your research. Most tafels do -not- contain the birth date but 
 rather the earliest and latest known date of any event.
 
2. You are interested in all the descendants not just the two ends. That also is very easy to indicate. For example:
B560 1776*1992* Bonner\Mexico PA/all descendants
B560 1776*1992* Bonner\Mexico PA/all desc, migration OH,IA,NE,CA
B560 1700*1999* Bonner\anyone with the surname or variations
Each of these lines isa slightly different flavor or "am interested in whatever you have". You can put in wording that fits for you. The
guideline for TT says that following the surname there must be a \ or / followed by geographic information. The tafel matching system
software only checks for the presence of a character string. It does edit. So as long as you have either a \ or a / you can put whatever you like -IF- it gives a better picture to the reader of  what your interest is.
 
When someone does a query and gets a matching report, your complete tafel line is displayed or reported as the case may be. The tinytafel
format is extremely flexible. As long as you remember what its intent is - the bait on the hook, a snapshot of your research. Tiny tafels can be used by anyone.



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From: v045100@otis1.stortek.com (Jennifer Farnham)
Subject: Farnham, Palmyra, New york
Reply-To: v045100@otis1.UUCP (Jennifer Farnham)
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:37:44 GMT



Okay, i'm a bit lazy and have not had a lot
of time to devote to researching properly...

But here's a challenge if someone wants to take it
on:

Louis Southwick Farnham, born in Palmyra New York,
most likely in late 1800s is the son of who?

Find me the previous 3 generations of Farnhams,
just the men's names and i'll send you a t-shirt/
sweatshirt from Colorado or whatever.

Actually, the first person to do this wins!

Good Luck,

Jennifer E. Farnham   a.k.a "lazy"......
"v045100@otis1.stortek.com"

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:03:05 CDT
Reply-To:     Lorrie Knox <LKNOX@UKANVM.BITNET>
From:         Lorrie Knox <LKNOX@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Need book pages copied

Help - I have been trying to locate a book titled "Cemetery Records of
Cowley County, Kansas" & our interlibrary loan department says they are
unable to obtain it.  Does anyone on this list have access to the book?
Would you be willing to photocopy specific entries out of it for me?
I would, of course, be willing to reimburse someone for any fees which
would be involved.

Lorrie Knox
Bitnet:  LKNOX@UKANVM.BITNET
Internet:  LKNOX@UKANVM.CC.UKANS.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:14:54 EDT
Reply-To:     "HEIDI WOLF: Public Safety Department" <ADHW@NMUMUS.BITNET>
From:         "HEIDI WOLF: Public Safety Department" <ADHW@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      1892 Census

Could someone explain why a census was conducted in 1892 instead of
the familiar 10 year increments?

I'm referring to the NY state census of 1892, I'm unsure if other
states were done in 1892 as well.

Thank you.   Heidi Wolf    ADHW@NMUMUS
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:46:35 CDT
Reply-To:     Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      GENEALOG: New File, bbs-tms
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NoDak.EDU

get genealog bbs-tms		Info about Tafel & TMS sites

This 4931 byte ASCII file is available now on GENEALOG.

Contains : This file was on ROOTS-L, on 20 July 1992, but I wanted to
post it here also.  Lots of good info here about Tiny Tafels
and TMS sites, written by Brian Mavrogeorge, Roots(SF!) BBS
if you didn't see this file, get it now ! !
  It's Important, to all who are researching family info


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get genealog bbs-tms

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From: jeromema@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re:      Is Family News network and "McGranes Since the Civil War" legit?
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:40:38 GMT

In article <01GMXXB7GGZ491WS0K@CWU.BITNET>,         "Dave Storla, Information Resources - User Services, writes:
> Fellow Root-L'ers:
> 
> 
> Finally, the book is published by an outfit called... the Family News
> network.  My question to the group is has anyone else received a similar
> ad from THIS PARTICULAR OUTFIT and if so what was your impression.
> I'm well aware of the usual skepticism these ads bring to mind but what
> I want to know is in regards to "the Family News network" and publications
> such as "xxxxx Family Since the Civil War" by this outfit.
> 

David

I subsribed to their newsletter for a year.  It was a disappointment to say
the least.  Out of all the issues I received, only one of them had any Jerome
information in it.  And that was copies of family groups sheets that I sent
them free of charge.  I am sure that regardless of surname everyone got
basically the same junk.

I didn't try my luck at buying their "Jeromes since the Civil War".  I was
afraid that I would be paying them good money, only to get the same information
I had given them.

Marc D. Jerome
From: durango@TSO.UC.EDU (Robert Thomin)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Roots-l log8911
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:17:23 GMT
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Hello Karen,
I tried to send you e- mail but I presume I cannot send it from here.
I have the Roots-l log8911, and it is supposed to have the Mills and Barnes
names listed for Nov.16,1989. I went thru the whole log and could not find
them.Am I wrong in assuming this?
robert thomin
durango@tso.uc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:48:43 EDT
Reply-To:     Ed Everett <EEVERET@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
From:         Ed Everett <EEVERET@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject:      Locations in Sweden
Comments: To: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU>

I have ancestory from Sweden and wish to pinpoint locations and parish church
names on modern day maps.  These place names are from circa 1870 but may not
show on modern maps.  I seek the following places and parish churches:

Traheryd Skie (or Trahelyd Skie), Kronely

Henneryfiord

Surnames are Blixt and Hendrick.  Please reply direct, and any help is
appreciated.
-- Ed Everett  --  295 Applewood Lane  --  Bloomfield Hills, MI  48302
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:57:02 EST
Reply-To:     Thomas Kruse <KRUSE@IPFWVM.BITNET>
From:         Thomas Kruse <KRUSE@IPFWVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Searching for BEESON

Paul H. Risk inquires about Isaac Beeson in Henry County...

    I don't have Beeson relation so I haven't done anything with
the name, but I did do research at a little place called the Historical
Museum and Beeson Library in Hartford City, Blackford county, Indiana.
It has a lot of handwritten historical and genealogical information
about Hartford City and Blackford county residents collected by Cecil
Beeson from personal interviews, visits to doctor's offices where he
hand-copied death records, etc.  Cecil Beeson, Senior was a postman
there for many years, as I recall reading about him.  Cecil
published a book called Blackford County, Indiana  Hartford City
Death Records 1923-1933 which is available at the Allen County Public
Library in Fort Wayne.  The only BEESON in it was Claude BEESON, whom
Cecil identified as his brother.
    The little museum is run by a couple of volunteers, so has no
regular hours, and now I can't even put my finger on its address
or phone number.
    Henry county, Indiana is two counties south of Blackford county,
a distance of about 40-50 miles probably.
    Good luck in your search.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:51:52 -0400
Reply-To:     astoner@MCIS.MESSIAH.EDU
From:         astoner@MCIS.MESSIAH.EDU
Subject:      Hallc1 and others
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Fellow Rooters,
   I was going to tack these questions on to the end of my previous message
but that was an answer and this is several questions.

1.  There have been several comments about downloading from Hall1.  I have
not been able to do this.  The IP address I am using is hallc1.cebaf.gov.  Is
this correct?  Also could some one please tell me where the genealogical
files are located once I get on, and maybe a little of what is available.
I am using ftp and trying to login as anonymous.

2.  This question is related a little to my previous message and some other
responses that I have read recently.  I saw that BK6 will store and display
PCX files, but what I want to know is if there are any windows genealogical
programs that will do this, or even if there are any Windows based
genealogical programs.  Being a programmer I might try to put something together
when I get a copy of Paradox or preferably Rbase for Windows.  I will let the
list know if I put anything together that other people might be interested in.

Thanks,

.......................................................................

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  Allen E. Stoner                       Internet: astoner@mcis.messiah.edu
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:23:11 MDT
Reply-To:     "Sharolyn Pyeatt" <LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU>
From:         "Sharolyn Pyeatt" <LIBSJP@VM.BYU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Sole survivor
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I am surprised that no one seems to have recommended donating the
collected genealogical records to the Family History Library maintained
by the LDS Church.

The library collection is devoted exclusively to genealogical research and
their holdings are phenomenal!! (GREAT place to do research!!!)  The library
is open to the public and its microfilm holdings are available on inter-
library loan to the local libraries housed in or near local chapels.  Based
upon net postings, it seems that several subscribers have drawn on their
resources, either directly or indirectly.

If one does not wish to donate the original materials, it is possible to
have them microfilmed and then returned to the donor.  Based upon my
experience with their microfilmed records, I seriously doubt that there
would be any concerns about how the materials are organized-- this is
one place where such a gift would be greatly appreciated and really used!!
(Whereas some libraries now tend to discourage this type of gift because
of the processing costs involved in making it accessible to the public.
The trend in some libraries is to require an accompanying cash donation
sufficient to pay for these costs, which, if I remember correctly is
the case with New York Public Library.)

In any case, the library address is:

             Family History Library
             35 N. West Temple
             Salt Lake City,  UT  84150

If one wishes to make a donation, it should be directed to the Acquisitions/
Gifts Department.  (I spoke with Toshiko Smith, at (801) 240-2337).  If one
wants to have the materials microfilmed and then returned, contact Vicki
Monson at (801) 240-4791.  (By the way, "West Temple" is the name of a street)


Sharolynn Pyeatt
From: sophia.brown@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Sophia Brown) 
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: What is: Roots-l HELPFILE
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO, USA
Reply-To: sophia.brown@wugate.wustl.edu!travel (Sophia Brown) 

CM>   (Note:  This file has been uploaded as a GENEALOG file.)


CM> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

CM>Depending on your interests, you may receive information by simply sending
CM>the following one-line message to:  LISTSERV@VM1.Nodak.edu

        Thanks, Clif, for another new method of satisfying our
        genealogical addiction.  Seriously, after I sit and digest it
        all, I hope to make good use of the information you have given.

        BTW, a "little birdie" told me that you are from the Knoxville
        area.  Are you, by some remote chance, related to the COKER
        clan? Some time ago, I had a Mr. Barnhill do some research for
        our family ties in the area.  Frankly, I was disappointed with
        the results.  I think he was, too.  Our COKER ancestors, William
        (direct), and his brother, Charles COKER, had a "passel of
        children," many of whom remained in Knox, Monroe, Blount, and
        Polk counties.  If you know of any COKERs, whom might have some
        history of these two brothers' families to share, it would be
        great to be able to contact them.

        My parents thought me a shy child.  If they could see me now,
        talking to anyone, who will listen, reading mail over others'
        shoulders, and writing messages here and there!   Hope you will
        excuse the intrusion.

        Kindest regards,
        Sophia

 * OLX 2.2 * BASS BEATTY COKER DIXON DOWNS DRURY FINDLAY MUIRE SMITH
From: usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU (Helmut J. Jungschaffer)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Rosenkranz in Czechoslovakia
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:34:08 GMT
Reply-To: "Helmut J. Jungschaffer" <usr9428a@TSO.UC.EDU>
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I recently asked for information on a Rosenzweig family in
Czechoslovakia.  Found out my info was wrong.  The family name is
Rosenkranz.  So, here we go again:  I am looking for information
on a Rosenkranz family from the area of Eger/Cheb in Czechoslovakia
from in-between the World Wars.  A great-uncle, Matthias Jungschaffer,
b. before 1886 in Brod/Vrato near Budweis/C". Bude"jovice quit his
profession as teacher and married a Rosenkranz.  They lived in the
Eger/Cheb area and had a "Spedition Jungschaffer & Rosenkranz"
(transport business).  Matthias died in his 40's.
Should anyone have Rosenkranzes from Czechoslovakia or should anyone
have information as to what kind of sources would be available now
in CZ to find out more about this business and subsequently the owners,
let me know!
Helmut
From: suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Magna Charta Club
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:47:56 GMT
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Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.

Can anyone give me info. on the Magna Charta Club; requirements for 
membership?
Suzanne
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:17:50 PDT
Reply-To:     Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
From:         Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Who to give genealogy data to
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In article <9207291526.AA02976@im8> Dick and Jill Miller
 <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU> writes:
>> paul@ms.uky.edu (Paul Eakin) writes:
>>
>> An elderly friend of mine is the last survivor of her
>> family. Her late husband was the last of his. Apparently
>> she has extensive geneological records of both and has
>> no logical place to leave them. She would like to
>> contribute them to a geneological archive where they
>> might be of value to others in lines that continue.
>>
>> I would greatly appreciate any information on the
>> proper disposition of such archives which might assist her.
>
>The New England Historical & Genalogical Society may well be interested in
>this material if no better place is found.  They do not confine their
>information to New England.
>
The Essex Institution in Salem Mass (now merged with the Peabody) is another..

or the Sutro California State Library  which has and accepts
genealogical collections..  Melvyl provides superb access

TOm Lincoln

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From: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Subject: Family Records of Sole Survivor 
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:23:01 +0000


In article <1992Jul28.233822.25471@ms.uky.edu> paul@ms.uky.edu writes:

> An elderly friend of mine is the last survivor of her
> family. Her late husband was the last of his. Apparently
> she has extensive geneological records of both and has
> no logical place to leave them. She would like to
> contribute them to a geneological archive where they
> might be of value to others in lines that continue.
> 
> I would greatly appreciate any information on the
> proper disposition of such archives which might assist her.

I'm not able to advise on where her records might be deposited but I will
pass on a comment that I heard from a librarian about such material.

They really despair about receiving such offerings!

Whilst your friend's records are well organised, provenanced and cross
referenced the majority are not.  Should your friend not really have them
sorted out then please urge her to do so as her final act in her
genealogical studies otherwise her legacy is likely to be consigned to the
trashcan. In spite of her hopes they will contribute NOTHING to succeeding
generations they will be unusable.

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Subject: Old German Inscription
From: dkortenk@UWSPMAIL.UWSP.EDU
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:12:33 -0500
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        In a 1692 German prayerbook I find the faded handwritten inscription:

        (approximate transcription)

                "Comparaius P. Coloman(z?)(y?) ~a

                ?eau Profess(y?) in Monsee.

                        1696

                "Ex libris Adami de Erb

                Parochi in Feldkirchen

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                        1734:


        If anyone has experience with such inscriptions I would be very
grateful for their comments -- particularly about the names and geographic
locations in this inscription.

        Daniel

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From: LINDA@UCSFVM.BITNET (Linda Erkelens)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Help Needed Terre Haute,Indiana
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:27:02 GMT
Reply-To: Linda Erkelens <LINDA@UCSFVM.BITNET>
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Would someone in Terre Haute, Indiana lookup the mailing address for
the Emeline Fairbanks Memorial Library.  I found a letter at the National
Archives written in 1934 from their librarian looking for information
on a REED and a GRIGSBY of Kentucky.  I have both and they married in
Kentucky.  I figure it is worth a try to see if the library has any
information or if I am lucky and the woman is still alive.  However
back then, there was no mailing address.

Thanks.
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