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From: jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: On Santa Claus
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:10:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.195347.1@phcu.helsinki.fi>, jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi writes:
 
> "...The connections between the Devil and Santa Claus (Sinter Claes, Saint
> Nicholas) are pronounced. In addition to his association with the north and
> reindeer, the Devil can wear red fur; he is covered with red soot and goes down
> chimneys in the guise of Black Jack or the Black Man; he carries a large sack
> into which he pops sins or sinners (including naughty children); he carries a
> stick or cane to trash the guilty (the origin of the candy cane); he flies
> through the air with the help of animals; food and wine are left out for him as
> a bribe. The Devil's nickname (!) of Old Nick derives directly from St.
> Nicholas. St. Nicholas was often associated with fertility cults, hence with
> fruit, nuts, and fruitcake, which are charasteristic of his gifts...." 
 
  Sorry, I forgot to mention the source: 
       "Lucifer; the Devil in the Middle Ages" by Jeffrey Burton Russell 
	(copied without permission)	
                                                         	
				
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     			 	       	   but I doubt that'll get you anywhere
From: paladin@yaya.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...)
Newsgroups: wpi.students.vox,alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Rant revisited...
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:09:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaya.wpi.edu

In article <1g9h6vINN55j@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
> i write...
>> he writes...
>>>  i write..
>>hmm... no... free will is in finding new combonations of the input we have...
>>and once you achieve something different... others will add it to thier 
>>reperatoire and come up with something else new...
>
>Hmmm... Interesting point... If we can consciously steer the unconcious 
>impulses in new direction...But... What drives those concious decisions. We 
>base everything on subconcious memories. SO the concious is dependant on the
>subconcious. Is it possible for one thing to change the very item it is based
>upon?

the thing it is based on is still there.. no matter what.. for example if you 
were brought up believing cats were evil... and killed every cat you saw.. and
it was later proved to you that they weren't and you actually liked cats after 
that... the basis of cats being evil is still there.. and would taint things 
even tho you have observed otherwise...

>(This just isn't for Vaughn, anyone else care to join in?)

>>in keeping the close friendship we have than possibly causing her to feel
>>uncomfortable around me (which would cause a distance between us).. ah well..
>I know that in the end you'll make the right choice. It isn't easy I know. I 
>was just lucky the she felt the same way that I did...

whatever choice i make will be the right one.. it will probably be made this
break tho... 

>>heh... no problems.. i've given people (including and especially the person 
>>person back home) permission to do me grevious bodily harm if i ever become 
>Vaughn, what's a person person? ;-)

um would you believe spontaneous replication of a word??

>BTW, why'd you deep-six the nosage quote?

i didn't... i just had the other phrase as well as some other stuff (which 
likely won't see paper/electrons) kicking about my head... that phrase had been
there MUCH longer and seemed to have more need to escape... so i let it...
but the actual .sig file still has the nosage quote..

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)

human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......
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From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: No more dead kitties! :( (Re: Kittens - C&C Welcome)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:11:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.090430.26446@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>>>>
>>>> [ evil picture deleted ]
>>>>
>>>>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>>>Stop..you're making me laugh and I might choke on my coffee..hmm
>>>suicide by laughing?..anyway..I love cats but I also am so very
>>>*evil*;->
>>*WAAAAAH*
>>poor widdle kitty cat...
>yeah..I know....so wicked I am..

yes you are :(
shame on you :(

-bacon
save the cute widdle kitty cats!
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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: #53
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:26:31 GMT

Blood is running down her neck
(It doesn't matter any more)
That she was born to live and see
(It doesn't matter any more)
Atrocities she would not bear
(It doesn't matter any more)
The pain she bore with no regret
(It doesn't matter any more)
It doesn't matter any more
(IT NEVER MATTERED, REALLY).
 
                e.k.
 
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
From: elnitsky@math.lsa.umich.edu (Serge Elnitsky)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: famous suicides
Date: 12 Dec 1992 05:20:00 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.math.lsa.umich.edu

  I'm sure this has been asked before, but... Has anyone compiled
a list of famous people who committed suicide? If so, can someone
please forward me a copy. If not, let's compile one...
                                                         S.E.
From: TPW106@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: dates and sex
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:46:35 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

with all this talk about not get dates or sex or a relationship, i thought i'd
share my solution to this.
give up. accept that i was going to be alone for the rest of my short
(hopefully!) life.  I just stopped looking hoping and dreaming for a
relationship and moved on.  Life is a lot easier to cope with when you don't
have any hopes to be shattered.
From: vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle x4021)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Kavorkian (sp?) in the News
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:29:51 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1992Dec15.191650.24140@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>I see that Kavorkian assisted two more people in the past few days..
>and I think they were women..in fact..I think all of his "assists"
>have been women..interesting..i mean that they have only been women.
>

  Probably because men would like to do it themselves.

--
Vance Haemmerle                         vance%toyvax@arizona.edu
Tucson, AZ                             vance@vips.lpl.arizona.edu
          * It's my party and I'll die if I want to *
From: harrison@cs.ubc.ca (James Harrison)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: famous suicides [Plath]
Date: 17 Dec 1992 14:29:47 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: olympia.cs.ubc.ca

In article <1992Dec17.185524.3477@u.washington.edu> nicolett@carson.u.washington.edu (Nicolette Roberge) writes:
>Also Sylvia Plath.  

Yeah, Plath is a rather interesting one, because she expected her down stairs
neighbor to pound on her door when the babysitter (?) came for the day and
she didn't answer.....

But the gas crept through the floor boards and knocked him out too.

She had even left a snack out for her kids, since she knew in the confusion
of rushing her off to the hospital they mightbe a little hungry that 
morning.

Read more in "The Savage God", by Albert Alvarez, one of Plaths long-term
friends.

J
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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: LIFE ROCKS!
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:46:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.030125.3078@peanut> wilsonandrew@bvc.edu writes:
>[stuff deleted] 
>Which is actually a good thing...
>Because when I kill myself, I won't really be killing myself at all, 
>but this asshole loser I've become
>but that would be murder, wouldn't it?

	But if the 'asshole loser' wants to die too, is it 'assisted       
	suicide'???  8)

>So. The only problem remains is how the task will actually be performed. 
>I figure, the messier the better. 
>A nose-dive off a sky-scraper?
>A sabot-round to my face?
>A nice, warm acid bath?
>I was thinking of setting up a shotgun so that the goop inside my head gets 
>neatly blown onto a specially prepared canvas. I'll leave a note dubbing it 
>art.....
>The nicotene idea sounds pretty cool.
>I'm not too keen on pain, actually. 
>And I hear nicotene poisoning is pretty painless.

	Nicotene is my perfered method... easy to do anytime, anywhere
	(But the means of death might not get reported to the news for
	fear of mass teen suicides -- ah, the 'vogue death' factor.)

>But drinkin' a shitload of water to kill myself actually sounds cool.
>And nobody could really call it suicide.
>When they find my bloated corpse, they'll just say:
>"Gee, I guess he was really thirsty."
>
	
	Water intoxication is quite nifty -- until/unless you recover from
	it (it usually takes me a month or two to shake off the effects
	entirely -- there is a high temptation rate to do it again while
	recovering [at least for me anyway].)

	It's actually quite hard to do (to die rapidly from gross
	overdrinking).  If you're going for passive suici, it  can
	take a week to a few months to work yourself up to that level
	of consumption.  If you're going for the straight 'chug all night
	and be dead in the morn' approach, you better set up your water
	supply (lots of pitchers or _large_ glasses) beforehand (so it's
	easier to not take any breaks from drinking).

		Psycho Kitten
 
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Kali
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:08:01 GMT

In article <7874@news.duke.edu> 71544.467@compuserve.com (Lorelei) writes:
>Where, oh where are the great missives from Kali?  Alas I see others 
>responding to her posts but nowhere can I find the originals.  Is the 
>problem with my lowly computer, mildewed as it is from the damp of the
>caves?  I waited long through the summer while Kali frolicked in the 
>California surf and through the fall as the great goddess engaged in 
>other unknown activities, then sighed with frustration as I realised 
>others could see her but not I.  Have I sunk so deep into the murky 
>depths of the surrounding quicksand that I can no longer lurk on ASH
>in silence?
	Unknown activities?..I was in Europe..darling one..and well..
(grin)..some activities must remain..unspoken (yummy)..but I fled to
the Old World..and even met an *OLD* Dutchman..he was even flying!

>
>
>Thank you all for your patience in allowing me to speak.  One day when
>the depression is not so great that I cannot see the light, I may come
>out of hiding and participate in ASH...
	I shall find out why this is happening..one must not be deprived 
of Kali..and her darkness..claws..fangs...drool..whoops..I'm getting
carried away again;->

>
>-----
>Lorelei
>71544.467@compuserve.com (I think)
>  -or-
>das@canctr.mc.duke.edu (for sure)
>-----


-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Everybody dead?;->
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:16:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.103212.19086@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>Yeah, you've hit th spot. Americans talk, Brits act. So the scattering-cross-
>section of them with this group will be negligible.

  

Oh my..we aren't going to start some American/British flame war are we?
Perhaps if you're just talking about suicide it's ok..but in general?
Americans talk..Brits act?..Sorry..I don't believe it.

-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jurasanen@phcu.helsinki.fi
Subject: On Santa Claus
Organization: University of Helsinki, Finland
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:53:47 GMT

Date: 11.12. 1992 AD

"...The connections between the Devil and Santa Claus (Sinter Claes, Saint
Nicholas) are pronounced. In addition to his association with the north and
reindeer, the Devil can wear red fur; he is covered with red soot and goes down
chimneys in the guise of Black Jack or the Black Man; he carries a large sack
into which he pops sins or sinners (including naughty children); he carries a
stick or cane to trash the guilty (the origin of the candy cane); he flies
through the air with the help of animals; food and wine are left out for him as
a bribe. The Devil's nickname (!) of Old Nick derives directly from St.
Nicholas. St. Nicholas was often associated with fertility cults, hence with
fruit, nuts, and fruitcake, which are charasteristic of his gifts...."


Cease purpose and die.

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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: "methods" list
Organization: ASH Limited 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:28:27 GMT

	There ARE errors in the Methods file.  Please double-check anything
before even seriously considering doing it (and then you probably shouldn't
be doing it anyway -- from a legal standpoint).

	I have yet to find  the short list of corrected entries I 
posted a few months ago... I will _try_ to post more between the 16th and
31th of December.

	TTFN
	Psycho Kitten

-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Just some lyrics I thought you'd enjoy
Reply-To: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:54:16 GMT










quit
dfkjkjk
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From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: Kittens - C&C Welcome
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 09:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.165437.27452@mtu.edu> bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.183722.4886@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>>>All you cat-haters out there, enjoy the ASCII kitty after having it's head
>>>blown off by an ASCII 12-gauge:
>>>
>>> [ evil picture deleted ]
>>>
>>>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>>>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>>>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
>>Stop..you're making me laugh and I might choke on my coffee..hmm
>>suicide by laughing?..anyway..I love cats but I also am so very
>>*evil*;->
>
>
>*WAAAAAH*
>poor widdle kitty cat...
>
>-bacon

yeah..I know....so wicked I am..

   *  *

   V  V


;->


 
   
  


-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: kathleen@cbl.umd.edu (Kathleen Santangelo)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Living in the midst of the aesthetically impaired
Summary: The "aesthetically challenged" at Christmas
Keywords: tacky
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:27:18 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu

I was driving along today, doing some last minute Christmas shopping, and
there it was... a bumpersticker loudly proclaiming "Practice Random Acts of
Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty."  The sticker was colored a tasteful
magenta, just like a neighbor's satellite dish.  (Yes, really...)  I don't
know how long that sticker has been around, but that was the first one I'd
personally seen; does this mean I now get to look forward to seeing it all
over the place, spreading uncontrollably without a known cure?  But I did just
as the bumpersticker asked and was kind... I didn't immediately ram the
vehicle and force the other driver off the road. ;-)  Wait 'til *NEXT* time,
though... *wolfish grin and a wink*

Then at the mall, I was confronted with a fifteen foot high ridiculous looking
teddy bear that moved its head and spoke.  It was automated by a man hidden
inside of a Christmas box next to the tacky bear, and he kept singing endless
off-key Christmas songs, over and over.  *VERY* off-key.  I had to listen to
it for fifteen or twenty minutes because it was right next to the store I was
shopping.  But the scariest part of all is that a lot of people actually
seemed to *like* it, clustering around its feet like ants and gazing up at in 
awe.  

I would hate to see what such people's idea of a senseless act of beauty
would *be*; perhaps painting the Washington monument fuschia or putting a 
20 foot high singing Dan Quayle replica on top of the White House?  True
tackiness knows no bounds... :-)

                             Wolffriend
-----
"May all your Christmas weasels rewind!"
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: God, I wish I could sleep
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:21:08 GMT

In article <Bz235n.ACw@DMI.USherb.CA> turrd00@DMI.USherb.CA (Nanouk) writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.064957.13329@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>>
>>In fact..I think we should just have a "get it all out" day once in
>>a while..just flame the hell out of each other...call each other
>>names...(grin)..course you know if you seriously flame me..you've
>>got to deal with these claws..flexing...
>
>	I know it's my first post in here but that seems like a good idea
>anyway. Specialy that claw thing. Pretty provoquinq Andrea.
>
>	Anyway, you might be seeing a little more of me in the future. Your
>group seems like a experience worth reading.
>-- 
>----------------The Eskimaux Man-----------------------------------------------
>Seems so sick to the hypocrite norm...      | Quoted from:
>We are an elite race of our own:            |   -- Alice In Chains --
>The Stonies, Junkies, and Freaks.           |      -> JunkHead.

Good..we always like new *blood* on the group;->


-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: Kittens - C&C Welcome
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.183722.4886@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:
>>All you cat-haters out there, enjoy the ASCII kitty after having it's head
>>blown off by an ASCII 12-gauge:
>>
>> [ evil picture deleted ]
>>
>>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
>Stop..you're making me laugh and I might choke on my coffee..hmm
>suicide by laughing?..anyway..I love cats but I also am so very
>*evil*;->


*WAAAAAH*
poor widdle kitty cat...

-bacon
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: an2727@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Today 13th Decemeber 1992
X-Anonymously-To: alt.suicide.holiday
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:15:03 GMT

Hell is empty today - all the demons are here in my head, today. Today is the
9th anniversary, even after 9 years their mocking laughter still pours like
vipers venom into my wounds . Many horrors I've seen before THAT day and TOO
many since.To pass this anniversary away as painlessly as possible I will  play
a game. This game will be to *my* rules, Life shall not have a say, not in my
play. I'll play Russian Roulette with SIX bullets , I'll ALWAYS go first and the
gun will ALWAYS be fully refilled ofter each turn - any Ashers care to join me ?


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