HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: I SEE LIGHTS...
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:51:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.183358.18050@gnosys.svle.ma.us>, gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
|> In <002369c.39.720913401@ace.acadiau.ca> 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca
|> 	(WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:
|> 
|> > Have you ever had the experience of closeing your eyes at night or whenever 
|> > you go to sleep and see patterns form?
|> 
|> Yes.  The experience is called "hypnagogia."  There's a good book on the
|> subject by Andreas Mavromatis called simply _Hypnagogia: the Unique State
|> of Consciousness Between Wakefulness and Sleep_ (Routledge & Kegan Paul,
|> London & New York, paperback edition published 1991, ISBN 0-415-05794-9).
|> 
|> I don't think this subject is relevant to our discussion, though, and suggest
|> followups be posted to alt.dreams.
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> 
|> Gary
|> --
|>     Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
|> Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst

Hey, who made you the net cop!  :-)  (Just joking.  Really.)

Actually, some reports of OBEs may well be hypnogogic/hypnopompic
(one is falling asleep, the other waking up, and don't ask me which
is which) illusions.  And whatever physiological mechanisms that
cause these sleep-related hallucinations might be related to some
of the experices of OBEs.  Thus, while not OBEs, they may shed
light on OBEs.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:47:45 CST
From:         C09615DK@wuvmd.wustl.edu
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: This type of dream...
Newsgroups:   alt.dreams

>
>In article <1992Nov6.110128.20385@yang.earlham.edu>, connebr@yang.earlham.edu
>(Brandon Connerly) says:
>
>In article <002369c.42.720983103@ace.acadiau.ca>, 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca
>(WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:
>> May I ask a simple question?
>> Here goes anyways...Have you ever had a fever dream?
>> I mean the type of dream when you have a fever and in the dream you
>> hallucinate and excperience scary stuff. It's almost like your awake,
>> because the surroundings are real, but you ARE dreaming.
>[...]
>> Any comments...?
>
[someone else's followup deleted]
I remember having a horrible fever dream once when I was younger (I think about
8 years old).

I woke up screaming, and although I knew that I was awake and fully aware of it
I saw very vivid illusions (not hallucinations because I knew they weren't real
) of monsters which I thought were somewhat scary (ie. draculas and werewolves
and the like).  Actually, I only saw their faces, but I saw them in everything
I looked at.  The dream part I remember too, but it would be too long a post.

Dreamily--Dan K
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: night terriors
From: bell@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:56:59 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

I am looking for information on night terriors.  What purpose do they serve.
Can any one out there give me some good ideas of places to start?
  Thanks in advance.
  Jane M. Bell
From: Tarzan
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Catnapping for a lesser sleep total.
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:52:52 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <gj156879.720600183@cunews> gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student
156879) writes:
>I remember hearing a radio show where they discussed this topic with a
>scientist working on it (Quirks and Quarks, on CBC), where people were
>sleeping four hours a day by doing it in shifts.  (I think.  I'm not
>sure if it was more than that).  Apparently there were no side effects
>(although I don't know how long term the study was...) and the one
>reason a person stopped sleeping this way was because he was lonely at
>four am.  (As someone who has worked security grave yard shifts to pay
>for school, I understand this a great deal...)
> 
>          Not very helpful, but it takes the idea past speculation.  I
>believe De Vinci was mentioned on the show, too.
> 
>                                                            Nik
>                                              (Thanks all who sent
>                                               Whitefeather's address!)
>
Is there any evidence out there that says this type of sleep pattern may be
helpful for lucid dreaming?		
													Tarzan 
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:01:04 -0500 
From: Sreyas Srinivasan <ssaf+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Can't get lucid when I want

   Is there any way to get lucid every night? I have trouble making one
happen. They happen at random times for me.
                            -Sreyas

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From: st891669@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Looking out of these eyes
Reply-To: st891669@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:22:59 GMT

I had a strange dream the other night...I was in my parents house but it was
in the wrong city and all my friends from school were there.  All of a sudden
I notice that there are a bunch of aardvarks walking down the street [this is
not normal!] - I remember asking myself in the dream "aardvarks???  How do I
know they are aardvarks b/c I've never seen one.  But aardvarks they were
apparently.  I then had to call my mom at work to warn her about the aard-
varks but I couldn't remember her number or area code [which in reality I
know very well].  I woke up at that point with her work number running 
through my head.  The aardvarks sort of make me wonder...I don't believe that
they've come up in discussion lately...Just thought I'd share...Kt
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Telepathy in Dreams (The Dreamer)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:31:51 GMT

In article <92316.124543ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu> The Dreamer <ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <92316.021325SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu>, Senthil Ramas Kumar
><SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>>
>>really interesting, can we as a whole group do some more experiments along
>>these lines ?
>>
>>Kumar
>
>     I don't see why not, but I would be unable to set up such an experiment
>(although I will give suggestions if you would like).  Due to my involvement
>in other groups and work, I can only participate in a limited manner although
>I would be willing to be a subject of the experiment.
>
>     Love and Peace and Not Enough Hours,
>               -The Dreamer-


Nice to "see" you again, Dreamer.

-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
	          "Oh oh.  Looks like we need another Timmie!"
			   For Dinosaurs fans only.
		
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From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: chatting with lucid dream characters
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:02:08 GMT

Robert Cole writes:

[A great lucid dream deleted for brevity]

>	Sometimes my lucid dreams "decay" into ordinary ones and I go on
>sleeping.  Very often, however, at some point I will just lose control
>and return to waking consciousness under protest.  Much has been said about
>inducing lucid dreams but how do they typically end?  Do many of you go
>on until you get bored and open you eyes or do you also suffer from this
>loss of control?  Are there ways to maintain control and extend the
>experience?

	Well, in the last three lucid dreams I've had, I discovered that
either concentrating on what I'm viewing or doing has helped to prolong the
experience for quite a while.  I still found myself waking up involuntarily,
though, but that may simply be due to the fact that the body wants to wake up
because my sleeping hours are up.  As yet I haven't maintained a lucid dream
until I got bored (how could I get bored of a lucid dream anyway, when there is
so much to do! :-)

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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: alt.dreams in my head
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:20:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.162146.1498@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu> teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>....
>   In both of these dreams the "decisions" I made and my feeling of
>"lucidity" were totaly dreamed and not actually counsciously made :(.

Some people are just too hard to please!

Seriously, though, I just got a newsletter in the mail that makes several
distinctions among the different possible lucid and pre-lucid states. 
Maybe "dreamed you were lucid, but it was just a dream" is one of these.

Also, your logic mirrors that of the skeptics about lucid dreaming.  For
some, the idea of having volition in dreams, and of being aware of dreaming,
contradicts their definition of dreaming.  Hard to argue with that one, so
I just ignore it.

Still, I think I know what you mean.
---
Michael Turner
From: Tarzan
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: OOBEs
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:11:45 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Oct31.185353.12812@cs.uwp.edu> itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve
Itzenhuiser) writes:
>
>I have experienced what some term Out Of Body Experiences (OOBEs).  From
>my understanding, as well as information from a good friend who has "left
>his body" many times and still practices, is that closer you are to your
>physical body  the harder it is to move.  As you "drift" from your body
>you will find it easier to move and speak.  I've gone only so far as to be
>floating above my body or close by, so it is hard for me to move.  In one
>experience I did move into a different room in the apartment and had the
>freedom to move.  However, I woke quickly after that, just as my freedoms
>were gaining their most potential.  (How depressing.)  I find, also, that
>afternoon naps in places where you feel most comfortable are great times
>to experience an OOBE.
>
>I still haven't reached as far as I want to, and have little knowledge of
>the astral plane.  If anyone has more info., I would greatly appreciate it.
>
Post to alt. Out of Body
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: A Question to lucid dreamers
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:19:21 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <92308.190029SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> Senthil Ramas Kumar <SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>hi, I just have this simple question for u all pple.  while being in this
>lucid dreaming state, when u ever meet anyone else, has anyone told that
>other person in the dream "hey, do u realize that this is all a dream ?".
>if the answer is yes, then I'd like to know thier responses.
>
>thankx in advance.
>
>Kumar


I had a dream in which I was directing this incredibly huge hyper-orchestra in
this incredibly huge place.  (I won't go into all the details, but it was
fascinating.)
At one point, I approached myself (yep, i made 2 of me) and asked myself
if this was a dream.  I turned to myself, upset at being interrupted, and
said, "Of course it's a dream!  What'd you expect?!"

-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
	          "Oh oh.  Looks like we need another Timmie!"
			   For Dinosaurs fans only.
From: probstmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: This type of dream...
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:13:13 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <2dn18bp@rpi.edu>, kaminl@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
> In article <790wTB6w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>>002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:
>>
>>> ...Have you ever had a fever dream?
>> 
>> My fever dreams were object-oriented as opposed to plot-oriented (
> 
> Yeah, mine too. The one I remember most from my childhood involved an
> image of a sofa floating over a huge chess board. Other than that, 
> everything was an endless void. There was this tremendous feeling of
> complete dread and a strong sense that something irreversible and horrible
> was happening- indeed, at the time, it was *the* worst possible thing to
> me, whatever "it" was. The sofa was recognizable as the one that we had
> downstairs in the family room. For some reason, this dream also seemed
> to be connected with the TV show "Three's Company," which I used to watch
> quite often. I can't explain this last point, but it just seemed that way.
> 
> Brrr.... I still get a creepy feeling just thinking about the dream.
Gee, that's funny.  I have a list of about 50 different dreams that I remember
from my earlier life (five years old to about twelve) and have noticed that a
few of them are of this object-oriented type.  I've posted to this net once
before and haven't posted again until I figured out lucid dreaming (about two
weeks ago).  The dream I posted involved my body materializing into the middle
of a vast void, in which a large temple-like building suddenly appears later. 
I also mentioned that this type of dream would always end with something
falling onto me.  I also had several dreams of a monolith-like object appearing
in the middle of a vast temple-like area in the void; I would go up to it and
it would fall on me.  I too have noticed the difference between object- and
plot-oriented dreams, but I can't say that for me the difference has been one
of physical condition.

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: MPD characters versus Unconscious.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:49:39 GMT

Someone suggested that the characters getting annoyed could be that
you subconsciously make them respond in such a way.  This is true, but
it could be that your subconscious is your MPD section of your
brain...  How can I say this clearly?  I don't think the two things
are that different.  Your subconscious is everything not in your
conscious.  MPD characters are not in your conscious.  THEREFORE,
they're subconscious?
 
                                                            Nik
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: alt.dreams in my head
From: teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:21:45 EDT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

 	I have read this group for a while and have made a few (3-4)
posts.  I usualy remember 3to4 dreams a week, some weeks I have spurts
where I remember 3 or 4 dreams each night for 5 nights in a row.  I 
still wake up the moment I become lucid, I've read the hints in this
group and will keep trying.

Enough of the boring info., let me tell you what I find interesting.

      A few nights ago I had a dream where I had the feeling I was
lucid but upon waking I could clearly tell that I had mearly thought I
was lucid. My minds feeling of lucidity was mearly a creation of my
dream and not truly a conscious thought. The moment I dreampt(sp? is
this a real word?) that I became lucid, a boy ran up to me and I 
thought " I will change him into a girl" and it worked. This is a 
direct result of the thread I've been reading in this group about
this very thing.  Then I decided to go fly (I have flown many times 
in my dreams) and I can't remember much after that.
   The next night I had a dream where I was flying above my neighbor-
hood where I lived two years ago and I spoted a small group of people.
I dropped down until I was just a few feet above them and I saw a girl
I went to highschool with and work with. I told her that I was dreaming
and that she was here in my dream, all with the idea this could be a
good dream experiment.
   In both of these dreams the "decisions" I made and my feeling of
"lucidity" were totaly dreamed and not actually counsciously made :(.
 
all questions and comments are welcome and appreciated.

  Tony
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Precognitve dreams
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:53:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.050414.9048@news.unomaha.edu>, phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu
 (Shannon Chris Saltzman) writes:
>There "Aint no such think as magic" If that was the way it 
>was written is a double negative.It would then mean there was
>such thing as magic.All grammar aside I will not press my
>beliefs in unnatural phenomenon except to say that there has
>never been anyone with senses so acute that he could determine
>that nothing beyond what we have scientifically determined exists,
>exists!

I regret my lack of clarity.  What I should have said is: It is not
useful in life to believe in magic, and may, at times, be dangerous,
i.e. the recent case of the parents in, I think, Boston who let their
child die rather than consent to a blood transfusion for him/her.
I will leave the question of whether or not magic exists open and
labeled as unprovable. 

And before I am flamed for my misuse of latin, I should also have
said e.g. rather than i.e. in the above paragraph.  I awoke with
a knot in my tongue and the coffee hasn't loosened it.

Erik Timmerman
natinst.com!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!asg102
From: ASG102@psuvm.psu.edu (The Dreamer)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Telepathy in Dreams (The Dreamer)
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:01:09 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

>Actually, no wait, this would make the 5th dream experiment...
>There have been:  The Bouncing Banana Phone Booth, the Dream Express,
>The Grand Hall of Dreamers, and Elvis and The Brick Wall...
>
>My, what a creative group we are!!  :)
>
>Angela
>
     Well, actually:
     Title                    Time            Experiment Coordinator

Bouncing Banana              (Fall 1990)         (alt.dreams)
The Dream Express            (Summer 1991)       (The Dreamer)
The Beacon Experiment        (Fall 1992)         (The Dreamer)
The Grand Hall of Dreamers   (Winter 1992)       (The Dreamer)
The Brick Wall               (Early Spring 1992) (???????????)
The King (Elvis)             (Late Spring 1992)  (???????????)

Certainly the one with the most participation was the Dream Express followed
closely by the Bouncing Banana Phone Booth.  The other experiments were either
run at akward times (over the winter break is NOT a good time...limited net
access for many people) or lacked organization.

So the next experiment would actually be #7.


Well Angela, it seems if you would LIKE to come up with another experiment,
I support you...I think that it is time :-)

     Love and Peace and Exploring the Unknown,
                 -The Dreamer-

DISCLAIMER:  I do not know if it is possible for people to meet in a common
             dreamscape and I do not pretend to understand what that would
             mean, but the idea interests me and I'll be damned if I'm not
             going to give it my best shot.
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From: tgeorges@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Georges)
Subject: Looking out of these eyes
Summary: Being able to see in a real way in a dream
Keywords: eyes lucid hands
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:45:40 GMT

I had a dream the other night.  Nothing too terribly interesting was happening,
but I realized it was a dream.  As soon as this happened, I started to lose the
dream.  In order to remain in the dream, I first tried to look at my hands.  I
noticed that it was quite difficult to do, and that my hands were not in 
focus.  It was then that I realized that my field of vision was *really*
focusing on my nose, as I see it from my eyes. With both eyes open, the nose
becomes "transparent" to one of the eyes.  It was this exact sensation that
was occuring.  This strikes me as amazing, since my nose is not "visible" to
my eyes when the eyes are closed!

Just thought I'd share this with y'all!

Tom
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From: jjozwiak@shearson.com (Jenny Jozwiak)
Subject: Re: flight
Reply-To: jjozwiak@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:24:04 GMT

Oh yea!  I used to fly in dreams often. Usually when I was a kid.  More carefree I 
guess.  It sure is fun. Now my dreams or more psychological and somewhat strange.

Keep it up if you can.

I did have one prett fun dream some years ago of making love with someone in mid-air
sort of without gravity......that was great....


later....
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Who do these characters get peeved?
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:46:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Nov10.045957.4844@tcsi.com> miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.104828.20417@yang.earlham.edu> connebr@yang.earlham.edu (Brandon Connerly) writes:
>>In article <gj156879.721081494@cunews>, gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>>> I have a theory as to why dream characters get annoyed when you tell
>>> them they are "just" dream, and it has to do with Multiple Personality
>>> Disorder (MPD for short).  Think of your standard MPDer, (the
>>> stereotypical one)  many characters fighting over one body.  Now
>>> consider how in a dream, you are the ego, the main dude in control,
>>> and the rest of the beings around you are "lesser personalities".
>>> Needless to say, when you tell them they are JUST dream, they'd get
>>> pissed off, because they ARE you, or a facet of who you are.
>>[...]
>>> A theory.  What do you all think?
>>>  
>>>                                                   Nik
>>
supposedly there is some primitive tribe people that highly regard their
dreams and they claim that you should talk to these other people in your dream
and if they are bothering you take action to protect yourself and then demand
a gift from them...like make them tell you what they represent etc.
i think this one from of steve laberge(sp?) books???
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: Burning House Dream and Catching that Witch.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:47:42 GMT

Then would a person chasing you be a way of punishing yourself for
something?

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: crlstu1@bnrca (Julie Beeston)
Subject: How many dreams does one have per night?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:55:57 GMT

My subject says it all.  I just want to know how many dreams a person has in a normal night. (8 hours of uninterupted sleep).  I also want to know how long it is between dreams.  (I am woring on my own dream theory).
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