From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: Name That Deity contest!!!
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:49:49 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
: In article <By0yG9.2rM@ddsw1.mcs.com>, eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun the
: loon) writes:
: >>>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (your god and damnator) writes:
: 
: 
: There are two types of people in this world:  those who divide everything
: into categories, and those who don't.
: 
: I don't think I fit either of your categories above. What am I?<<


You're confused! And by the tone of your diatribe below, stupid and
prejudiced.

You specifically stated:
"So instead I want to try something different. I want to be something else
besides s Satanist. etc. ad nauseum....

What are you doing if not dividing into categories??

Night, Death, the beasteal side of humanity etc >are< categories.

>>: Okay, answer number two:  I don't think of "perfect" and "imperfect" in the
: way you do. Things *are*; they aren't perfect or otherwise. Perfection is
: an artificial human standard.<<

Before you can argue what you think you have to see what in general use a
word means. You can mean apples but the words you use are pears.


>>: If I were into perfection, a sphere wouldn't strike me as particularly
 perfect.<<

You know very little of aesthetics or mathematics. Let alone of symbolism,
for which reason you have a problem identifying to anything symbolic.


>: It has no style.<<

Again you betray a poor recognition of style or aesthetics. Perhaps the
simplicity of a sphere eludes you, but you cannot stand in judgement that it
has "no" style. Your preception of what is stylish does not seem to have
much dimension.


>>: > Through a telescope envisioning the cosmos, the world of the macrocosmos,
: > again we see that inspite of asymmetric design in some cases, the general
: > patterns is orbicular.
: 
: Even when an orbit is clearly elliptical it's still a circle. Have you
: checked out the orbit of Pluto lately?<<

If an alliptic is still a cirlcle, then did you read what I wrote above at
all? Perhaps you should read a dictionary to furthyer your vocabulary.



>>: I agree, but "that" is not what I'm after. Besides, I was looking for
: something more sentient than a crystal sphere. Which is why I specifically
: requested a deity, or similar person.<<


What you requested, was: 

"...I want to try something different. I want to be something else besides a
Satanist.....I need a good symbol."


>>:However, the particular thing I'm 
: thinking of does have definite characteristics. They are not argueable. I
: listed those characteristics. Why did you not address them?<<


Because your petition was contradictory and misleading. If you want to
identify with someting other than that which you "chide" (e.g. satanism)
then you have to go beyond that which represents that. But if on the other
hand you are looking for the same horse with a different name then be clear
of that idea.

You asked for "something different" you asked for "something else" and you
asked for a "good symbol". That you enumirate a series of ideas that
contradict your looking for something other than Satanism" is misleading.


>>: I'm not after light. I specifically listed "Night." <<

How can you have night without a day to define it? Further I explained of
Amun Ra as a metaphor and in that metaphor you should have understood a
irrefractable light. A "hidden" light. You obviously know very little of the
occult principles of Satanism.


>>I'm sorry I used the
: term "Enlightenment," okay? Is that what confused you? Or was it your own
: prejudices?<<

No, it is you who are confused. It is you that has asked the questions. 

Don't flatter yourself that you can deduce what I believe in when I am
answering what you asked. Prejudices seem to be an instinct with your
rambling rather than any statement I have posted.


>>: But that's not what I believe in! You are asking me to *lie*!<<

No, again metaphors elude you. I really don't care what you want to believe.
What i wrote is meant as a metaphor and a reasoning response to that
metaphor. This, obviously, is a "suggestion" but it seems that you are on
the defensive.

Strange for one who asks of symbols that apply to "Wordly power", The
bestial side of humanity, and dualism that you should be so squemish and
moral that you should worry if you are to "lie"!



>>: I don't believe in universality.<<

Then what is night? What is world power? For that matter what is knowledge,
reason, enlightenment?

>> I'm a dualist.<<

Then stick to satanism. Or better yet to avoid getting upset go to the
library and research mythologies and think at your own expense for a
change.

>>: I don't *WANT* to represent
: everything in one symbol.<<

That's no problem. There aqre thousands upon thousands of symbols you can
choose from. I simply implied one that was the most awsome, and seldom
understood. In fact, it was a symbol of the Persian clergy of ancient times
from where the word Magi comes from and their religion is considered
"Dualism" In fact they are the source where the idea of the god of light
have a great battle and popularized by Milton in "Paradise Lost".


>>: Furthermore, I don't care for the implication that
: since I seek to quantify my beliefs in human terms, then I must be
: superstitious. <<

I used the term superstitious because it is a condition of one believing in
something without knowing the "why" but still do it anyway. Considering your
outburst it seems to have described your frame of mind..and questions..


>>: I desire to find a symbol to describe a definite set of characteristics. I
: listed those characteristics. If I wanted a universal code, I'd have picked
: a circle long ago. Please don't identify what you want with what I want.<<

I never stated that I "knew what you wanted" to begin with. I don't believe
you know that yourself. I mere suggested by the air of question a suggestion
of possibly many that seemed most apt at that moment.



>>: Yeesh. If someone is genuinely interested and listens to my answers, I'd 
: rather stay around and talk with them. If they don't (which is the case most
: of the time) I wouldn't have gotten so far in the first place.<<

Unfortunately I made the mistake of taking you seriously. By your response
it is obvious you really don't care what anybody else thinks or answer your
muddled confused "thinking outloud".


>>: Yeh, why don't you honor my version of the quest then?<<

I have. But it seems you haven't honored mine.

>>: Instead you try to
: tell me what I want, without consideration of what I said I wanted. Your last
: statement seems pretty hypocritical in my mind. Why don't you take your own
: advice?<<

I didn't ask the questions. You did. And it seems that the hypocrite is you,
saying one thing and meaning another. Why don't you take your own advice?

>>: Sheesh. Now I understand why everyone considers you a flake.<<

Is this an omniscient awareness or just a personal prejudice? Is this e-mail
gossip or just purely envious despotism? I have been called many things but
it seems I surpass my accusers and in the end, they usually prove to be
whatever derrogatory adjective they use for me a quality of their own
reflection.


>> This is
: proselytizing, plain and simple.<<

Wrong again. Sabaeanism does not believe in proselytizing. Further you
haven't got the stamina to ever be a "sabaean".


>>: I posted on alt.satanism giving a plain and
: simple description of what I was looking for. I never said I wanted to 
: convert to an existing religion, did I?<<

You posted on alt.satanism  claiming that you wanted to be "something else
besides a Satanist." You posted on alt. Satanism caliming that you "want to
try something different".
Just what the Hell are you talking about idiot? If you do not know then
spare us the bandwith.


>>: If you want to extoll the virtues of your religion, keep it in alt.sabeaen
: where it belongs, and leave us out of it.<<

You conceited insect. ;-) You have no idea what I believe in. If you mistook
what I wrote as a confession of my "soul" then you are as bigoted as the
Christians you bitch about in your dissertation.

And if you want to be "something else besides a satanist" what do >you< mean
by "leave *us* out of it?" Suddenly you are speaking for all Satanists?
I was not aware that you had been elected as the infernal messiah of this
newsgroup?

If you want to extall the virtues of your opinions then I suggest you start
by being coherant and a little lest hypocritical and neurotic.

Perhaps you should not write in any newsgroup at all, till at least you get
your act together and give Satanism a bad name ranting like a fanatical
christian fool.


>>: 
: --Semhaza (The Antichrist)<<

You flatter yourself to "CATEGORIZE" (e.g. the antichrist) your
name with such worthy a title.


Eshin-Fun