From: lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage)
Subject: Re: Buchanan's speech at convention
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:13:20 GMT
Distribution: world,usa,na
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: Buchanan Rush Limbaugh

In article <_2gyjhm@rpi.edu>, mcgead@operators.its.rpi.edu (Darren McGeary) writes:
|> In article <4t!nqbl.jrs@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
|> >Here's a copy of Buchanan's speech on the first night of the Republican 
|> >convention. Any spelling errors and other mistakes are mine alone.
|> >
|> >
|> >The presidency is also America's bully pulpit, what Mr. Truman
|> >called, "pre-eminently a place of moral leadership." George Bush is a
|> >defender of right to life, and life-long champion of the
|> >Judeo-Christian values and beliefs upon which this nation was built.  
|>   
|> Here is the beginning of Mr. Buchanan's oft-stated belief that only
|> morals that are derived from Judeo-Christian religions are worth anything.
|> Also his belief that the USA is a 'christian nation'.  Both beliefs are
|> wrong.
|> 
|> >
|> >At its top is unrestricted abortion on demand. When the
|>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>                 a lie
|>
What does the democratic platform call for?  What is the abortion language?  Is this actually a lie, or is it just a realistic characterization of the platform?  
|> 
|> >Irish-Catholic governor of Pennsylvania, Robert Casey, asked to say a
|> >few words, on behalf of the 25 million unborn children destroyed since
|>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>                                         no such thing
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You should make up your mind as to what you're trying to accomplish here.  If you disagree with Pat's position on abortion, great, but this seems to be a letter criticizing his facts, and, if that's the case, little characterization differences like this are irrelevant.
|> 
|> >Roe v. Wade, he was told there was no place for him at the podium of
|> >Bill Clinton's convention, no room at the inn.  
|> >
|> >Yet, a militant leader of the homosexual rights movement could rise
|> >at that convention and exult: "Bill Clinton and Al Gore represent the
|> >most pro-lesbian and pro-gay ticket in history." And so they do.  
|>   
|> Everytime I hear Buchanan speak, I constantly wonder to myself what
|> evil things homosexuals have done to him that he hates them so much.
|> Or could it be a case of 'Me thinks thou doth protest too much'?
|>
Can't someone be opposed to special protection of homosexuals under law without being filled with hate for them?  I know homosexuals who are opposed to gay-rights legislation, and I don't think that they are filled with self-hatred. 
|> >
|> >Bill Clinton supports school choice - but only for state-run
|> >schools. Parents who send their children to Christian schools, or
|> >Catholic schools, need not apply.  
|>    
|> How can the government give tax incentives for people to send their kids
|> to a religious school without it being a violation of church and state
|> separation.  Yet another example of churches only wanting to be separate
|> until it costs them money.
|>
We as a society have decided that it is reasonable to tax our citizens in order to provide education at government expense.  It is surely not unreasonable to think that parents ought to be able to use the funding allocated for the education of their children on the education that they think is best for those children.  This is not a case of the church demanding money from the government, but of people who want to provide a christian (or Jewish, or Muslim etc.) education for their children resenting paying 






double for that education. 
|>
 >
|> >Elect me, and you get two for the price of one, Mr. Clinton says of
|> >his lawyer-spouse. And what does Hillary believe? Well, Hillary
|> >believes that 12-year-olds should have a right to sue their parents,
|> >and she has compared marriage as an institution to slavery - and life
|> >on an Indian reservation.  
|>  
|> This thing about Hillary comparing marriage to slavery has been taken
|> completely out of context.  But when has that stopped Pat.
|>
Would you please post the original context of that comparison?  I would like to be able to form an intelligent opinion for myself on whether that is in out of context statement or not, and I don't trust the media to provide a reasoned assessment of it.

 
|> >Friends, this is radical feminism. The agenda Clinton & Clinton
|> >would impose on America - abortion on demand, a litmus test for the
|> >Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious
|> >schools, women in combat - that's change all right. But it is not the
|> >kind of change America wants. It is not the kind of change America
|> >needs. And it is not the kind of change we can tolerate in a nation
|> >that we still call God's country.  
|>  
|> Again, the abortion on demand lie. To say that Bush doesn't have a litmus
|> test for the Supreme court is a lie.  Homosexual rights? Is Pat saying that
                                   ^^^
What exactly is this litmus test?  Dod they really screw up and forget to ask David Souter?  Or could they conceivably be telling the truth when they state that there is no litmus test?

|> Homosexuals shouldn't have rights.  And what's wrong with women in
|> combat if they can do the job?
|> Oh, and discrimination against religious schools? Bullsh*t. Just because
|> the government won't give them money?
|>
No one is suggesting government funding of religious schools, what they're suggesting is parent's options on the spending of the money that's allocated for their children's education.
 
|> >
|> >George Bush was 17 when they bombed Pearl Harbor. He left his high
|> >school class, walked down to the recruiting office, and signed up to
|> >become the youngest fighter pilot in the Pacific War. And Mr. Clinton?
|> >When Bill Clinton's turn came in Vietnam, he sat up in a dormitory in
|> >Oxford, England, and figured out how to dodge the draft.  
|>  
|> This is a joke.  How can ANYONE seriously compare going to war in WWII
|> and being DRAFTED into the Vietnam war.  And why didn't Buchanan bring
|> up a certain VP who through his daddy's connections avoided Vietnam by
|> joining the National Guard?
|>
I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.  Bush volunteered to go to war, and Clinton did not.  It certainly seems like a reasonable comparison to me.  And I think that the "dodge the draft" line was unnecessary.  But the president is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and it surely is not nonsense to compare the candidates respective military records.
 
|> >The central organizing principle of this republic is freedom. And
|>  
|> Freedom that is for white, christian, heterosexual males and non-pregnant
|> females.
|> 
|> >But, tonight, I want to talk to the 3 million Americans who voted
|> >for me: I will never forget you, nor the great honor you have done me.
|>  
|> 3 million, huh?  That's scary. Well, take heart buchanan supporters.
|> Even if Pat doesn't run again in '96, I'm sure David Duke will give
|> it another shot.
|> 
Can't you see that this kind of comment is at least as negative and divisive as anything that Pat said?  I don't know anyone of any opinion that supports David Duke.  The fact that he did have some positions that made sense in no way justified voting for him, but nor did it invalidate those positions.  "The competence of the speaker has no effect on the truth of the statement.  The biggest fool in the world can say that it is raining, but that does not make the sun shine"  (A paraphrase, not a direct quote






, from, I think, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance", but I'm not sure.)

|> >Yes, we disagreed with President Bush, but we stand with him for
|> >freedom-of-choice religious schools, and we stand with him against the
|> >amoral idea that gay and lesbian couples should have the same standing
|> >in law as married men and women.  
|>  
|> 1)There already is freedom-of-choice for religious schools

But anyone that elects that choice pays twice for the education of their children.  Is this fair?

|> 2)There's the gay thing again? He's starting to make me wonder if he's
|>   hiding something.
|> 
|> >
|> >We stand with President Bush for right to life, and for voluntary
|> >prayer in the public schools 
|>   
|> There already is voluntary prayer in schools.  No one is trying to
|> stop it.  Oh!!! He probably meant SCHOOL-SANCTIONED voluntary prayer. :)
|> 
|> >My friends, this election is about much more than who gets what. It
|> >is about who we are. It is about what we believe, it is about what we
|>                                           ^^^^^^^
|>     As long as we believe in a christian god.
|> 
|> >stand for as Americans. There is a religious war going on in our
|> >magnificent Southern mansion, in a town called Fitzgerald.  
|>   
|> Any relation to Jennifer Fitzgerald?

Hey, that's a classy comment.
|> 
|> >My friends, even in tough times, these people are with us. They
|> >don't read Adam Smith or Edmund Burke, but they came from the same
|> >schoolyards and playgrounds and towns as we did. They share our
|> >beliefs and convictions, our hopes and our dreams. They are the
|> >conservatives of the heart. They are our people. And, we need to
|> >reconnect with them. We need to let them know we know they're hurting.
|> >They don't expect miracles, but they need to know we care.  
|>   
|> We care as long as you are a white,christian,heterosexual male or
|> non-pregnant female.
|> 
|> >God bless you, and God bless America. 
|>   
|> Of course, only if you are a white,christian,heterosexual male or
|> non-pregnant female.

I can't speak for Pat, but when I say my prayers, when I say God bless America, I don't restrict it like that.  And I know that my God doesn't either.  He has given us the free will to live our lives, and the option to be wrong if we want.  But the judeo-christian culture that founded and raised this nation has been under steady attack for thirty years, and if people are going too far in their response to this attack, many feel that we are ridiculed in the popular media constantly, and that bothers them.  






A cornered animal will always be more dangerous than one with running room.
|> 
|> >
|> >-- 
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|> >                           | Fight for world freedom."
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|> 
|> -- 
|> Darren McGeary -  mcgead@rpi.edu          Freedom of religion means freedom 
|> PRO-CHOICE - THE AMERICAN WAY             FROM religion!!
|> Banish religion from government!          -These are my opinions. They just
|> Atheists Unite!!                           happen to also be the right ones.
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