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From: peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Nosferatu : sad cases from the past
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:41:33 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Oct9.121601.9577@ohm.york.ac.uk>, pete@ohm.york.ac.uk
(Pete French) writes:
>Nosferatu are not quite as gothic as their audience - but they are still >pretty sad. The bass player is called Vlad and the band turn up in a hearse.

I saw them (Nosferatu) in Manchester and the support (Redemption) were
better...  Redemtion had a modern sound and were taking the piss
seriously when they threw flour at each other and played Rasputin (the
audience loved it).  When they've matured a bit they'll be a great
band.

When N. started up I though that maybe they had cut up a few SoM tracks
and stuck them back together again.  The band all look remarkably like
The Damned.  Vlad (hmmn) dresses as Vampire Lestat or something.  The
lead singer seemed to think that he was Andrew Eldrich.  I searched for
a shred of originality but there was none to be found.

Their fans all walk back and forward somewhat out of step and it
reminded me of badly executed country dancing.  OK there are many Goth
types that do this, but there was something strangely sad about them.
They took it oh so seriously...

I thought they were playing the same track over and over again and
eventually walked out before they had finished, the lure of a pizza
being far more seductive than their repetative fare.

>All in all it was a fairly depressing evening, but also encouraging in
>a way - recently I have got the feeling that goth is over, that it
>stands still with the rest of the world moving on. Seeing Nosferatu
>and their audience showed me that most of goth is not standing still,
>that it has kept up with the world, and when presented with soemthing
>that is trying to recreate the past we feel out of place. The
>Nosferatu audience may be very committed, but they are also very small
>- only about 40 people - and this is Leeds !

No question they're stuck in a time warp.  Perhaps for those who hanker
after the past they're just the thing.  Instead of listening to some
old forgotten records you could listen to some new Nosferatu records,
and then forget them.
--
Peter Wake
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: cs_e420@ceres (The Grim Reaper)
Subject: Re: Rubicon, etc.
Organization: Kingston University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:13:28 GMT

chrisl@county.lmt.mn.org (Chris Laurel) writes:
: 
: 	I saw a single by Rubicon (Fields of the Nephilim minus Carl McCoy) 
: in a local music store a couple days ago.  It's called 'Watch Without Pain' 
: and apparently is a limited edition of 3000.  The music sounds sort of 
: Nephilim-ish, but it also bears a painful semblance to certain heavy metal 
: songs that I've heard.  Does anyone else have opinions on this single?  Does 
: Rubicon have a full album out with better material?  'Watch Without Pain' 
: just does not have the darkness of the Fields of the Nephilim albums.
: 
etc.

I've just got the album - 'What Starts, Ends'
It's ok'ish if your in the right mood (whilst watching TV etc.)

You may be disappointed to know that all the tracks sound like WWP
It's growing on me - never trust your first impressions - 
(Unless they happen to be correct)

Roy.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Bauhaus
X-To: BRIAN C. SHERMAN
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:09:00 GMT

bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman) writes:

>I just bought the 2CD Rest In Peace... Bauhaus' final concert.  It is 
>great! Anyone else hear this sucker?  Is it an England-only release or 
>did it go into wider distribution?  Who are Nemo Records?  Why isn't this 
>a Beggar's Banquet release?  Do they have more Bauhaus shows?

Nemo Records is a new subsiduary label of Beggar's Banquet.  I'm not sure 
exactly what the "mandate" of Nemo is, but based on the Bauhaus release, 
I'd imagine that it's been set up to release live recordings, 
compilations, and so on.

As for distribution of REST IN PEACE, I've seen it on import here in 
Canada, and a friend of mine at PolyGram (the company that distributes 
Beggar's banquet releases in Canada) said that they have no intention of 
making it domestic, so it's import only for now.  For the U.S., you should 
probably contact RCA or BMG or whatever the hell they're calling 
themselves now for info, since I believe they handle B.B. releases in the 
States.


Greg



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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death - goth, live music etc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:30:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Pete French (pete@ohm.york.ac.uk) wrote:
: From article <847@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, by sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01):
: > My memory may be a bit rusty but 40 people is more like a full house for
: > the Duchess of York. 
: Nah - it can hold a couple of hundred, 

The two largest crowds at the Duchess I've ever seen were at PJ Harvey in
spring '92 and Bongwater in '91 - I would guess at least 400-500 were there.
There was precious little oxygen there on both occasions... the recommended
location for optimal viewing of PJ Harvey was standing on a table right at
the back! 

The biggest goth crowd I've seen there was probably the last Rosetta Stone
gig which must have had about 300-ish people there including a full quota of
Quarriers. Packed, but still fairly comfortable.

The smallest gig crowds I've ever seen were for Sofa Head/Exit Condition at 
Scrumpies in Leeds (less than 20) and AC Temple/La Costa Rasa at the 
Duchess (about 30-40). 

Of course, -bat has previously promoted a gig at a 1000 capacity venue
and got 31 people to turn up, but I'm sure he'd rather hide that
particular light under a bushel :-)

the other bearded Pete from York on all these lists/groups
pete
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From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (Pete French)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: New Rubicon / Love Like Blood
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:20:21 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In article <1992Oct7.160528.19545@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Boris.Wirtz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de writes:
>I just listened at my record store to the new releases of Rubicon and
>Love Like Blood.

Went to see Rubicon last night - they were crap, dont bother. This band
are going approximately nowhere. People will go because of what they used
to be, but I doubt if it will last to a second album. I went fairly open
minded -I didnt ever see or really hear any of the nephilim- and expected
to react better than most of the music press. However, it was just dull,
they are fairly competent, but the music and the vocals are both fairly
lifeless. Most of the audience drifted off part way through.

ho hum.

-bat.

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From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Bauhaus
Summary: just bought
Keywords: final concert
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:08:37 GMT
Organization: UB

I just bought the 2CD Rest In Peace... Bauhaus' final concert.  It is great!
Anyone else hear this sucker?  Is it an England-only release or did it go into
wider distribution?  Who are Nemo Records?  Why isn't this a Beggar's Banquet
release?  Do they have more Bauhaus shows?

               -Brian, who is clueless, but LOVES this...
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Origins?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:04:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


I am curious about the origins of the term "Gothic" as applied to this type
of music & the type of people who listen to it.

I have to admit, gothic architecture does seem to fit with some of the music,
in a subconscious sort of way... Does it have to do with the whole "vampyre"
thing?

Please mail me any comments on this (as I don't get to follow the group that
often). I may use some good ones for my art history paper on goth architecture
as an afterward...

servant of Cthulhu...
-Scott

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: Boris.Wirtz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de ()
Subject: New Rubicon / Love Like Blood
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:35:58 GMT
Keywords: rubicon, nephilim

I just listened at my record store to the new releases of Rubicon and
Love Like Blood.



Rubicon : What Starts, Ends

I had been pretty interested to hear that CD. Rubicon claimed to do the
Nephilim like music with a new singer. And here's reality:
The sound reminds to the nephilim, no doubt.
But there's one other thing : the voice. And the voice carries the hole
thing pretty near to the vicinity of The Cult, and I prefer the original !!
I was VERY disappointed afer all.


Love Like Blood : An Irony Of Faith

This band managed it to sound even more like the Nephilim than on their
last CD Flags_of_Revolution. If I hadn't known before, I'd said it was
the Nephs themselves (Maybe a little bit straighter than on Elyzium, but
still the Nephs).
If you want to buy a new Nephilim CD, this may be your thing !!
I liked it.
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From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Christian Death
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:29:07 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us writes:

>owners billing Shadow Project that way, or is the dreaded Valor coming to 
>america? Email most appreciated..

What's the difference between the `new' Christian Death (w/ Valor) and the
`old' Christian Death (w/ Rozz)? I'm familiar with the stuff with Rozz, but
as for the stuff with "the dreaded Valor", how does it compare?
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Death - goth, live music etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:35:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England


-bat. says (in his excellent review of Nosferatu):
> All in all it was a fairly depressing evening, but also encouraging in a way -
> recently I have got the feeling that goth is over, that it stands still
> with the rest of the world moving on. 

As I see it Goth has evolved from something which took itself far too
seriously in the early days into something extremely ironic -- and the
majority of Goths who have been around long enough have matured with it and
seen the changes occurring gradually. You don't notice them until you see
someone taking it too seriously -- (or until you have a few pints too many
after being hassled by a woman and dig out your Bauhaus albums again).

> Seeing Nosferatu and their audience
> showed me that most of goth is not standing still, that it has kept up
> with the world, and when presented with soemthing that is trying to recreate
> the past we feel out of place. 

Purely as a matter of interest, were the Nosferatu audience old enough to
have remembered that style of Goth first time round, or were they young kids? 

> The Nosferatu audience may be very committed,
> but they are also very small - only about 40 people - and this is Leeds !

Audiences everywhere are down. Live music at a local scale seems to be
in a terrible slump at the moment - I usually average a couple of gigs
a month (mostly not Goth ones, admittedly) but haven't seen anything to
tempt me out since the Sisters at the NEC... e.g. the Duchess has had a
very poor selection recently, at least nothing much to tempt me 30 miles.
I blame all that anonymous rave crud. 

Maybe now all the underscrotes are back at university things will
improve a bit, but this has been the thinnest musical summer in living
memory in this part of the world!

pete
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: Vlad and the Dark Theatre
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:43:59 GMT

ssimpson@zeus.calpoly.edu (the Dragon) writes:

>cg841@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt L. Carlson) writes:
>>
>>I've heard of a group called Vlad and The Dark Theatre, but I 
>>haven't been able to get ahold of anything by them.
>>Have any of you heard them?  Are they any good?  WHERE CAN I GET
>>AHOLD OF THEIR STUFF???  I have the same questions for a group
>>called London After Midnight
>> 

>I just recently picked up their Matters Of Life And Undeath CD.  They're on
>Bader Records out of Illinois, but I've no address for you (sorry).
>They're not bad; not entirely polished yet, but it grows on you in a way.
>Their sound is similar to a union of pre-Mindcrime Queensryche with a
>dancable beat and Anne Rice overtones (of sorts).  They're definitely a
>"theme" band, though; very much into their fangs.  Check a local record
>store and see if they can order it, or check yourself in the mighty Tome
>most larger stores have out and see if you can find it listed.  Oh, and I
>just have the title of The Dark Theater for the band on my CD.

Dark Theatre was also on a compilation CD called "Industrial Chaos" put
out by Chaos/Nebula in Detroit. Track 3, "Undead" 5:24, 108BPM.

You can contact Nebula at Box 1125, Detroit, MI, 48224.

If they are not around, I have a limited number of the cds w/o the
liner notes that I would be willing to sell (my band was also on the CD
and each band got a box of cds for being on the disc).


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From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:29:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.gothic

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:14:08 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.gothic

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
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Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
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From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death - goth, live music etc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:04:16 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <719087415.16447@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Pete French (pete@ohm.york.ac.uk) wrote:
>: From article <847@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, by sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01):
>: > My memory may be a bit rusty but 40 people is more like a full house for
>: > the Duchess of York. 
>: Nah - it can hold a couple of hundred, 

Just call me Mr Rusty then ! :*)

>Of course, -bat has previously promoted a gig at a 1000 capacity venue
>and got 31 people to turn up, but I'm sure he'd rather hide that
>particular light under a bushel :-)

hmmm, reminds me when I was a humble steward at Leeds Uni and Nik "top of the
pops" Kershaw sold about 5 tickets for a 1500 gig.

Is there a list of goth holes in the UK?. I can recommend (well there isn't
much competition) Chicos on a Saturday night in stoke, as long as you
break into a few 'lecky meters to cover the beer money, the only problem is
becoming a member, but I'll sign anyone in and also lend a sofa for the 
night, or floor, well the floor is more comfortable IMHO. 

calv "no beard" Austin
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From: ssimpson@zeus.calpoly.edu (the Dragon)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Fields of the Nephilim/The Tower
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:17:27 GMT
Organization: USDA Forest Service

Help!  I've been trying to figure out the lyrics to this, but as usual I'm
having trouble figuring out what Carl's growling most of the time.  Here's
what I have so far:

THE TOWER

She lifts the flowers from her window box
Summer's found now ... to flocks
She lifts her veil to the morning's ray
Wipes her eyes to the summer day (?)

...  were on her face
Caught inside ...
She knocks the flowers from the window's side
They fall to the ground, they fall to the ground

Hide away from the raging sun
And hide your love from the fire below

Now the woman in an aging form
She's tangled in the bushes tall
Cow'ring down with head in hand
She cries out loud, she cries out loud
Seems so cold, it seems so cold tonight
Seems so cold, seems so cold tonight

Hide away from the raging sun
And hide your love from the fire below

She can't see visions of this force below
Freezes her life ...
She heads to the voice of this rainy day
It cries like a choir in her mind ...
Sister hold now, hold now, hold your head
See the ... that is your bed


Corrections?  Additions?  Also--I'm interested in any other lyrics folks
have figured out or come across so far other than those printed in the
sleeve of The Nephilim...post 'em here or email to me, either would gain my
gratitude.

   --the Dragon
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From: pwilk@reed.edu (Philip Wilk)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Bauhaus
Keywords: final concert
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:26:42 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

*
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you can get it as an import in the US no problem.
yes it is very good
*
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In article <BvtEED.G73@acsu.buffalo.edu> bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman) writes:
>I just bought the 2CD Rest In Peace... Bauhaus' final concert.  It is great!
>Anyone else hear this sucker?  Is it an England-only release or did it go into
>wider distribution?  Who are Nemo Records?  Why isn't this a Beggar's Banquet
>release?  Do they have more Bauhaus shows?
>
>               -Brian, who is clueless, but LOVES this...


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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mj@maths.tcd.ie (Martin O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Christian Death TouR
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:27:54 GMT

Anychannce they're coming to Dublin Ireland this time around?
Is this Valor or Rozz?


Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: chris@inconel.engr.wisc.edu (Wonderbuns)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:26:28 CDT

In article <Bvto1M.1tv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dilts@cheyenne.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>Yeah, I got it a few days ago as an import (amazingly enough Bloomington  
>Indiana can get stuff that you would be amazed at. It's an amazing thing.)  
>Any way its a killer twodiscer....reconmended...worth the 30 bucks droped  
>into it...
>
>Azarel Osiris
>Chris
>Dilts@zia.indiana.edu


Lucky, I got it for $35 in Madison.

-Chris
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mertes@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: sisters/x-tian/ search repost :-)
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:09:24 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

Hi there again!
	:-)
	Just the same old post>
	
           	HAS ANYONE SEEN THE *******8CD BOX SET******** OF THE SISTERS
					BOOTLEG SET UP!!!!!!


Oh ya and I am still searching for Picture disc of Skeleton Kiss by X-tian
death?

I called stores everywhere, stores that are suppose to be good in these areas
however, they have never heard of either!!! hmmm maybe they are just lying to
me!!!! :-)




PLEASE ANYONE----
	P.S. Atomic Records in Milwaukee does not have the *box set* :-(.
mertes@vax.sonoma.edu			thanks
From: peterw@cs.man.ac.uk (Peter Wake)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Origins?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:11:31 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Oct9.010459.4852@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>
>I am curious about the origins of the term "Gothic" as applied to this type
>of music & the type of people who listen to it.

The term was coined by music journalists, who live by stereotyping
and categorising.  Who else labels and brands each *type* of music?
I would guess it was either in Sounds (defunct) or Melody Maker
that the term was first used.

The rest is history :-)
--
Peter Wake
From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: New Rubicon / Love Like Blood
Keywords: rubicon, nephilim
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:47:37 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <841@dsbc.icl.co.uk> Secure Unix Team KID01 <sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk> writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.160528.19545@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Boris.Wirtz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de writes:
>>I just listened at my record store to the new releases of Rubicon and
>>Love Like Blood.
>>
>hmm, just a thought, but both these bands have the same names as Killing Joke

songs! (whoops). "Love like blood" was on Nighttime and 'Rubicon" on Brighter
than a Thousand Suns.

BLNT
calv
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