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From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Goin' to Amsterdam
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:54:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr15.212755.16989@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>En route, we are planning to spend a week in Amsterdam, so I'm looking  
>for:
>
>1) Suggestions as to where to stay, preferably in an interesting part of  
>town, i.e. "where the wild things are".

One thing for sure, do NOT arrive in town without a pre-booked hotel
reservation. Get a *best* guide or something like it, and check out your
potential hotels carefully. Do NOT fall for the spiel of the folks who
accost you out in front of the Train station promising cheap accomodations.
Get a hotel in the good part of town, and sleaze during your waking hours.
Mick and I stayed at the ITC and found it pleasant.
I hear the New York has accomodations more to the american taste.
Oh and be prepared to be vigilant about pick pockets.

>2) Suggestions for places to go for
>	-fine cuisine that's not too pricey.

Mac Donalds and Burger king

>	-fine instant sexual gratification.

The basement of the Argos.
The upstairs at the Web

>	-fine bars full of horny, hairy leathermen.

The Argos
the Web

LUX .. owen
-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:52:45 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Apr13.133110.25456@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob  
Donahue) writes:
> manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
> >Well, *I* lost interest in astronomy when I learned that the only way  
to
> >remember the Main Sequence was `Oh, Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me Right Now'.
> >Not being a lesbian, I became a computer scientist.
> 
> 	Oh, Fierce and Benevolent Gorilla, Kill My Roommate Next Sunday
> 	Overseas Broadcast!  A Flash!  Godzilla Kills Mothra (Rodan
> 		Named Successor)...
> 
> 	I've always wanted to come up with a GBLO*-oriented one
> or a good X-rated one...   Any takers?

Well, your's don't correspond perfectly with Vince's, but going on the  
original sequence, how about:

Ornery Bears Are Fucking Gorgeous Kissing My Right Nipple
Ordinary Boys Are Finally Going Kinky, Morally Righteous Nevermore!
Obfuscation Bears A Fine Glow, Keep Mottseurs Rigidly Nebulous.
Old Boorish Assholes Feel Good Kissing Mothball Ripened Nieces.
(OK, so I was getting desperate.)

-Anthony
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Oscars
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:51:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr4.224245.27245@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>I dunno.  After having seen the movie,(Fried Green Tomatoes) it
>seemed like the filmmakers tried to have it all--the women's 
>lesbianism was obvious to anyone clued in (a lot more than Jodie 
>Fosters' acceptance speech!) while still muted for the oblivious.

This may be the wave of the future.  Get credit with us and the liberals
without ever sticking your neck out.  FGT's and The Outcast on TNG
may be the precursors of a whole new nauseating genre...
Or it might just be too early in my Monday morning... #8^)

>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Sandy Hereld                Bisexual by Nature, Queer by Choice.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: Czech this out (was Re: outing the stars)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:57:43 GMT
Summary: yes, and ...

In article <92106.193203IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
(Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

> a woman who could play one of those things could ask anything....
 
and Wanda frequently did, though perhaps her "thing" shouldn't really
count as a harpsichord.  I am rather fond of a story (apocryphal? do
you know this one Jess?) of Landowska and Rosalyn Turek unfortunately
at the same cocktail party, with Turek expounding on how to play JSB;
Landowska's line, so I was told, was "That's all right, my dear; you
play Bach *your* way -- and I'll play his way."

[not very likely, of course; but despite that godawful Pleyel, her
interpretation seems to me to be of more than merely historical interest]

-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Summary: I used to dance and dance
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:48:02 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>A little question: What music causes you to lip-synch shamelessly when
>noone else is around (or even in public)?

I don't lip-sync.  I also don't often listen to music,
which makes the music I do hear all that more important.
Usually it's a passing car outside my window, or a 
radio in a rented car, or snatches from other people's
apartments.  Sometimes it makes me swoon from reopened
brain pathways, relived emotions, evoked scenes.  A lot
of it has to do with cars, since much of my early adulthood
involved extreme experiences in cars.  A legacy of rural
adolescence.

Elton John inspires me to drive like a maniac.  The
Supremes or the Pips or Labelle require all the hand 
movements, preferably in a bar, by a pool table, with 
a couple other people.  Laughing.  The Beatles make me 
feel like an extra in Help!.  My mother and I can't help 
singing along (badly, oh very badly) with Patsy or k.d. 

Beethoven's Seventh induces instant schizophrenia and
delusions of grandeur (the First I just need to conduct),
but Messaien's Quartet for the End of Time makes me 
want to be shot by a firing squad, and Telemann causes
logy stupidity.  If it's flute or organ anything, I just 
see if it's Jean-Pierre or Virgil and get mad if it is.

With disco, I'm inclined to show whoever's around how I 
can make my nipples rotate in opposite directions, to 
the beat.  The Grateful Dead seem to wave invitingly at 
the LSD in the fridge.  Bulgarian music puts me into a 
foul mood; gamelan usually soothes my damned nerves.
I know someone who burned down a house to the Talking
Heads (and filmed it), but I also played it loud in a red 
convertible, driving through Baltimore's ghettos.  Pick.

But still.  I think it was Francoise Hardy singing 
"Lundi, Lundi" the night things got interesting in
Quebec's lower city in 1972.  Jethro Tull was there 
that spring, but all I recall is fascinating throwup.  
Later I met a woman wearing a black gown and clear 
plastic heels and long witchy hair, ohmygod, who played 
bongos like a possessed banshee from hell (confirmed
later; not a pose).  She'd been married to Donald Fagen, 
so it's her I think about every time I hear Steely Dan.  
Blasts from the past.  I swooned then, and I swoon all 
over again.  Sheesh.  I fan my heated brow, even now.

Just don't play Crocodile Rock or Eroica while I'm 
driving, ok?  I drive quite fast enough as it is, and 
conducting or playing drums on the steering wheel just
makes matters a little too exciting.  The accelerator 
is an inappropriate fuzz-wa at 130 mph. 

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:59:43 GMT

I know it *appears* that I'm following up an Arthur Hu posting,
but that must have been a forgery because it contained no fake
statistics or racism :-). Now, where was I? Oh yes, the PBS show.

This had my love and I groaning -- hey, guess what? I can use
apencil to write a love letter, or design a building, or
add up numbers! AMAZING! Where are the shots of someone on the space
shuttle using a PENCIL -- THE WORLDS FIRST TRULY ALL PURPOSE
TOOL! Also, I can use a car to deliver a pizza, or to look at the
leaves turning in the fall, or to go camping. Amazing! Another truly
all purpose tool! Differnt for everyone who uses it!

Oh, er, where was I, yes, Turing. Not Charles btw, forger, but
rather Alan. The first part of the show was covering assorted German
and American work and we were muttering "what about Turing". I said
it was American-centric (though I called no-one dickbreath)
and that they would probably squish him in at the end and not mention
he was hounded to suicide. He was? asked my love. So I explained
what I could remember from reading "Turing: the enigma" several
years before discovering soc.motss. Then to my surprise they
flipped back in time and did cover Turing, and did mention that
he killed himself after being charged with homosexuality. There
were extensive snippets from a play about him, and finally a series
of statements all starting "he never lived to see". The authors
were clearly very "into" Turing and saving him for the end of 
the episode.

One other thing. I know I was watching in bed and all, but 
did the ACM logo (a circle surrounded by a square) look like a
condom package to anyone else?

Kate
Xref: sparky soc.motss:20274 soc.singles:11203
From: kennedy@athenanet.com (Edward Kennedy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Sister Mary Luscious Lips
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:43:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Athenanet, Inc.,  Springfield, Illinois


cup.portal.com] writes:
=> You write:
=> >[...blah, blah, blah, reruns of your humiliation....]
=> 
=> I feel I can safely say that NO ONE in soc.motss is interested
=> in re-reading the chronicles of you making an ass of yourself
=> in public.  KNOCK IT OFF.
=> 
=> -----
=> [George D. Madison, a/k/a Furr | 8-{)##] | NBCS:B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv PIG 8/7]
cup.portal.com <#> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <]
...
 
Hm, when did I write "...blah, blah, blah,"  ???
 
...and "humiliation" ???  What did I say that makes you think that I
feel humiliated?  I do not feel humiliated.  I feel proud, proud of
*The Power* that I have tapped that has allowed me to survive 19 years
of this harassment!!!  ("If thou must brag, brag not in thyself but
in the Father."  Don't ask me Chapter and Verse.  I do not have King
James Ver. resident on disk at the moment, but it is there, somewhere 
in the New Testiment.)
 
Maybe the reason you can "safely say that NO ONE ... is interested" is 
that you know full well that my posts are not getting off of vpnet to 
other machines except as e-mail to one or two guys who are only interested 
in *Flaming the F**** out of me to make me stop posting.  :-)   (And I've 
been called "clueless"!)
 
And speaking about "humiliation," ...
 
What did I say to make you feel humiliated?  Was it something about how
homosexuals gang up on a person to try to crush him/her?
 
... or to force him/her into homosexualty?
 
... etc., etc.?
 
Are you attempting to see the moat in my eye when you accuse me of 
feeling "humilliation?"
 
-Ed
----
Many Viet Nam vets reported that they were not able to watch coverage
of the Gulf War because it triggered "flashbacks."  I will call that
"War-Phobia."  I would guess that most of those vets are probably glad 
they survived the war, even though it made them "War-Phobic."
 
I feel a little uncomfortable when I am around homosexuals.  It is as 
though I were constantly on the alert for any of their innuendo or their
mincing and their mocking.  (Women who remember the bookstore scene in
"The Accused" will particularly relate to what I say.  That is the scene 
in which a man who had been a spectator to the heroine's rape mocks her
about it, with lewd gestures and such, and she later rams her truck into 
his car in the parking lot!)
 
In the sense of the Viet Nam vet with  his "WarPhobia," I remain,
 
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From: jjs@ubitrex.mb.ca (John Joseph Strybosch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Put Me AWAAAAAAAYYYYY!
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:49:29 GMT
Organization: Ubitrex Corporation, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr6.200535.27047@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Also, I hope there'll be plenty o' people to bum rides off of...
                                              ^^^^^^^^^
  I had to read this three times before I saw what it really
said, rather than what I want it to say.
                 __
JJ Strybosch     \/   B3/4 f k- s+(--) cd t- rv
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Peoria (Was: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:15:38 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Apr14.134939.27661@queernet.org>
rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A.  Klorese) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.071133.12053@macc.wisc.edu>,
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>(It's my home town, I figure I'm entitled to bash it. :-)

>Finally... I can identify something that "played in Peoria"...

That I have done, yes indeed.  But I prefer being identified
as a someone rather than as a something!  :-)

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: John Haugh's Current Incarnation
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:15:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.145507.26660@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> Note: Of jfh's there are two.  Cindy means Johh Haugh (the
> IIth), not Jack Hamilton (the one and only).
  ^^^^

Is this pronounced "tooth"? A not very incisive one, if so. I can
think of others by whom I'd rather be cuspid out.

Ouch.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 15:13:17 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Seasoned Motssers (was Re: Responding to Bigots)
 <1992Apr9.142915.2865@osf.org> <rvsj95+.onr@netcom.com>

hmm...  when i become seasoned (how long does that take?), what
seasons will i be?
                                       -ailsa

p.s. yes, i realize i am leaving myself wide open...  B)
From: jjs@ubitrex.mb.ca (John Joseph Strybosch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: PDX 'con help!
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:44:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccu.1992Apr10.174452.4698
Distribution: na
Organization: Ubitrex Corporation, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr7.050806.27582@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>Maybe we need to do a FAQ posting on this?

Or maybe a mailing list on the 'con
From: twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Basic Instinct protests
Date: 2 Apr 92 13:28:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Apr2.092846.1
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <1992Apr1.135317.26317@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:

> I'm missing the connection between 'fantasy influencing reality' here;
> I suppose the media event is so creative that one wonders why the
> Meese Commission on Pornography didn't hire them to write their report
> - sex and violence cause people to commit acts of sex and violence.
> (Catharsis? is there a catharsis in the house?)  Except that the Meese
> commision decided that the acts of sex and violence fostered /more of
> the same/ while QN has decided that it fosters /retribution/.

Personally, I agree with the conclusions of the Meese Commission
(if that is what they concluded -- I honestly didn't pay them
much mind at the time) in that media depictions of sex and
violence tend to encourage sex and violence.  I happen to
disagree with their assumption that encouraging sex is a bad
thing.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Simon LeVay says he can't find any lesbian
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  brains ... I've been to that bar."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / -- Max Meredith Vasilatos (max@athena.mit.edu)
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Jason Donovan
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:16:03 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, Peel House, Ladywell, Livingston EH54 6AG, UK

Talking about suing people, over here we have just witnessed
a libel action by Jason Donovan, an Australian twink pop-
singer, against The Face magazine. 

The Face published an article about outing by Ben
Summerskill, who is one of the editors of The Pink Paper, a
queer newssheet.  As part of the article, The Face reprinted
a poster put up by outing enthusiasts in London, showing
Donovan wearing a tee-shirt with the (faked) slogan "Queer
as Fuck". 

Of course, there have been endless rumours about Donovan's
sexuality.  But perhaps it would be unwise of me to comment
on that, as Donovan won his case.  He was awarded 200,000
pounds damages (say $348000); The Face will also have to pay
his costs, which are about the same again.  They are
appealing, as well they might; the case will ruin them. 

Donovan claims that the case was not about the insinuation
that he is gay, but about the implication that he was a liar
and a hypocrite when he said he wasn't.  I'm not convinced. 
I find it hard to believe that he would have sued if The
Face had insinuated that he was, for example, a diabetic or
an enthusiast for Aussie Rules football.  As the Guardian
said rather nastily, "The sweet-faced Mr Donovan is as much
of a lust-object as their teddy-bear for his barely
pubescent girl fans".  It's hard to see how this mawkish
image would survive if he was known to be gay. 

Donovan has, it must be admitted, a certain gay following. 
(Despite a weakness for cute blonds, personally I find him
too sickly to be born).  Anyhow, OutRage were outside the
court all week carrying posters: "Queer is not Libel".  The
judge agreed with them; he said that to be called homosexual
these days is not defamatory.  And he told the jury to
moderate their damages: "What does a miner, who has
irreparable damage to his lungs and lives a miserable life
say when he reads of huge awards in libel actions?"

The jury took no notice but buried Donovan in money (he's
already enormously wealthy). 

I simply can't describe how insulting I find this case. 

--John
From: ben@ut-emx.uucp (Ben Sloan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Give me some tips on Paris, France, won't you?
Summary: I love Paris, in the springtime
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:02:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

I will be visiting France in May for a scientific conference in 
Dijon.  My question to those of you in the know, a question no
doubt shared by many of the listeners at home this afternooon,
is: What might I plan to do or see in Gay Paree?

A colleague of mine is in Paris on sabbatical and reports, quite
pathetically, that he has made absolutely no progress infiltrating
Paris gay culture.  I can't imagine what he's thinking.  Surely,
there are interesting places to go and people to see.  I've learned
just enough French to really get myself into trouble, and intend
to do just that.  If anyone out there in netland would like to
make recommendations as to people, places, and activities that
might be suited to my needs, I'd be much obliged.  If the trip
turns out as wild as I hope to make it, perhaps I'll summarize the
highlights here upon my return.

Merci beaucoup, ya'll,

Ben Sloan
ben@emx.utexas.edu
From: carlton@husc10.harvard.edu (david carlton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:33:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.CARLTON.92Apr9093345
 <1992Apr7.232704.26948@ads.com> <1992Apr8.193115.20404@macc.wisc.edu>
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam
In-reply-to: anderson@macc.wisc.edu's message of 8 Apr 92 19:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.193115.20404@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.232704.26948@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM
> (Henry Mensch) writes:

>>insert here the whines of all those who can't afford to go and would
>>rather it be in indianapolis, or cleveland, or portland, or ...

> Or, for that matter any other whine that comes to mind.  Did
> you know that Indianoplace has a first-rate art museum and a
> very good symphony orchestra -- of course, having gone to
> Purdue, you probably knew that.  Cleveland's orchestra was
> for years world-class, but I haven't kept track of it since
> Szell died.

It's still excellent - I quite like it under Dohnanyi's direction.
And if you're going to talk about art museums, Cleveland's certainly
deserves mention.

david carlton
carlton@husc.harvard.edu

       If our behavior is strict, we do not need fun!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wraty@dvorak.amd.com (Bill Raty)
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:37:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.041037.14264@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.050811.10616@polari.com> elf@polari.com writes:
>>In article <1992Mar31.221614.19639@news.mentorg.com>
>>     chrism@hpic001.mentorg.com (Chris McCabe) writes:
>
>>>What do we really want?
>
>love.  that's easy.  defining love is hard.  
>
For what it is worth I've found a great deal of truth and solace in the
definition of love put forward by Robert A. Heinlein's character, Jubal
Harshaw, in the novel "Stranger in a Strange Land".  Love is the quality where
one's well being and happiness are an integral part of your own.

One quick question:  Does submitting a follow-up post count as a bona-fide
de-muffining?  :-{)}  

Thanks to all soc.motssers and Billiam (you know who you are) for the 
measurable increase in my motss-pride.

-Billious
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: ARTIMUS IS A JACKASS AND A COWARD
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:38:41 GMT

In <1992Apr11.150617.27188@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>In article <9204091801.AA19367@echidna.swdc.stratus.com>
>lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas) writes:

>>Artimus you asshole...

You mean he isn't *r*im** yet?

--Cindy

--

*  I would rather that a bigot thought I was a lesbian than that a
*  lesbian thought I was a bigot."        -- Tovah Hollander
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:34:24 GMT

I find it difficult to imagine that anyone with a show with a name
like "Star Hustler" ISN'T gay.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi