HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: memanuel@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.emanuele)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: New AMTRAK Signal Tower (Penn)
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:51:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul23.152220.23960@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji) writes:
> County, Lincoln, Union, Elmora, Lane, Hunter, Dock, Hudson, Harold,
> and the Penn Station interlocking towers. Of these Elmora and Lane are
> already gone, remotely controlled from Union and Hunter respectively.
> The rest will be transferred to CETC progressively in several stages.



I think County is also gone. It is controlled from Midway.
From: "steve waller" <steve.waller@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: canadian trackside gd
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:39:00 EST
Reply-To: "steve waller" <steve.waller@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

SH>source of information.  Also, I got my hands on the '92 edition of the Canadian
SH>Trackside Guide.  FANTASTIC!  This thing is HUGE!  As they have done every

Must agree Steve!!! The Canadian Trackside Guide is the Canadian 
Railfan's Bible!!!  Get mine in March evry year!!!

SH>I believe the current price is $18 or something like that.  Well worth it,

The actual price is $18.73.  For Canadians, send Canadian funds, and all
taxes are included.  For US orders, send US funds to cover the additional
postage charges.

And like Steve Hooper, I get no kickbacks (except maybe lower prices next
year, if they do more volume <grin>) ....steve
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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Philadelphia dates
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:09:31 GMT

The following information is from a small paperback called "Delaware
Valley Rails" by John R Pawson, 1979, pub by the author.  This book is
crammed with information and is highly recommended despite its date.
This is condensed and may omit individual stations or short segments.

Market-Frankford.
1905      trolley subway (22d St--City Hall)
1907-08   Market St, 69th St--riverfront (subway 22d--2d St)
1922      Frankford, Arch St--Bridge St
1936      straight tunnel under City Hall
1939      riverfront ferries branch closed
1955      subway 45th St--22d St, trolley subway extension
1977      part of Frankford el replaced along I-95

Broad.
1928      City Hall--Olney (north end)
1930      City Hall--Lombard
1938      Lombard--Snyder
1956      Olney--Fern Rock
1973      Snyder--Pattison

Ridge.
1932      Fairmount--8th & Market (lower)
1936      Bridge Line to Camden 
1952      Locust subway, 8th & Market--15th-16th St
1968      8th & Market (upper level) for Ridge line
1968      Bridge and Locust lines closed temporarily

PATCO.
1969      Entire line, 15th-16th--Lindenwold

Norristown (Philadelphia and Western Rr).
1907      69th St--Strafford
1912      branch Villanova--Norristown
1912-1949 joint service with Lehigh Valley Transit to Norristown
1956      Strafford line closed

Red Arrow Lines trolleys.
1898      West Chester line electrified
1902      Ardmore line
1906-17   Sharon Hill line
1913      Media line
1954      West Chester line closed
1966      Ardmore line closed

Market-Frankford and Red Arrow trolleys are 5 ft 2.5 in gauge.  Broad
and Norristown are standard gauge (4 ft 8.5 in).

--Joe Brennan
From: geuder@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Uwe Geuder)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: ICE high speed train
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:03:18 GMT
Organization: IPVR, University of Stuttgart, Germany
In-reply-to: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM's message of 21 Jul 92 17:46:21 GMT

>>>>> On 21 Jul 92 17:46:21 GMT, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM said:

[lots of criticism of ICE techniques deleted]

Jobst> It is interesting to read what engineering problems were solved on the
Jobst> TGV.  These details have been and are discussed in RGI but it seems
Jobst> RGI doesn't get read at DB labs where they design ICE trains from
Jobst> first principles.  It is amazing to think that a German ICE has twice
Jobst> as many wheels as a TGV and twice as many vestibules and are built of
Jobst> steel.  It reminds me of back to the future.  I don't understand how
Jobst> this massive redundant R&D effort can escape the auditor's scrutiny
Jobst> and the engineering fraternity's criticism.

Jobst> It seems to me that DB/DR would do good to start buying TGV's with
Jobst> interiors to their own specifications immediately and stop the

One of the critical success factors of the ICE project was the width
of the passenger seats and as a consequence of the car. I was really
surprised that this little detail should be a critical success factor,
but if you assume that it is one you have to forget about the TGV.
It is just too narrow. Of course the broader ICE got heavier, too.
Germany got lots of criticism for the ICE in Europe, too, because it's
to broad to run in other countries.

Of course the development was a political decision, too. If you want
to be an industrial nation you have to do your own development. If I'm
not mistaken, it was in the ongoing presidential campaign where one of
the candidates was promising "to reindustrialize" the country.

I think technical progress includes trying different alternatives. Of
course many years later you know which one was wrong, but in high
speed train construction not too many alternatives have been tried
yet. 
--
Uwe Geuder, geuder@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: Push-Pull Service: Which Way do the Locomotives Point?
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:11:25 GMT

In article <22JUL92.19174691.0086@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:

>
>BTW, the GP40s came from the Rock Island.
>

Also BTW, early in GO's history, they had a special model locomotive,
the GP40-TC.  I suspect that "TC" stood for "Toronto Commuter" as
these GP40's had a HEP generator built in.  A few years back they
sold them to Amtrack (according to the Canadian Trackside Guide 1992).
They were renumbered by Amtrack to 192-199.

Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

Milwaukee Road  160.770 MHz
BN 161.100 MHz Northtown to Seattle
BN 161.160 MHz Spokane to Portland
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy)
Subject: WICT to go to Soo Line wasRe: Wisconsin rail news
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:14:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.154510.11084@uwm.edu> dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen) writes:
>
>
>I heard that Wisconsin Southern (the shortline that took over the
>Milwaukee Road branch from Horicon to both Oshkosh and Glendale,
>Northern Railcar, and the Scenic Rail Dining dinner train) is
>interested in purchasing the WICT (Janesville to Waukesha, Fox Lake and
>Prairie du Chien) and one might hope they could be interested in the
>Watertown to Madison line for the sake of passenger service on that line.
>

Hi:
      I have a reliable source which says that the WICT will
      in fact be bought by the SOO LINE.  They now come into 
      Janesville from Beloit and would like to get some of 
      the GM traffic which is all going to the Northwestern. 
      (GM would not deal with a short line so WICT never 
      got any traffic)  The Soo should take over by the end 
      of the summer.  All the F units which WICT leases from 
      Glen will be returned.  (BL2 has already been returned) 
           
 Daniel
 dawdy@tellabs.com

PS I will be posting GIF's of the WICT leased F"s later if any
   one is intrested.
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CP VIRGINIA (Was: Re: New Use for Pot Yard)
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:05:22 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Jul28.102314.2336@cevax.simpact.com>
kclark@cevax.simpact.com (Ken J. Clark) writes:

>The new commuter line, the Virginia Railway Express (VRE), operates through 
>the control point (Amtrak has for years as well).  In addition the new VRE 
>station at L'Enfant Plaza in within site of CP VIRGINIA.  Riding a VRE 
>train as well as staying on the platform at L'Enfant Plaza provide two safe 
>(and legal) ways of observing CP VIRGINIA.

There's a new station inside DC?  Very interesting.  

I wonder whether someone would post a list of the stations VRE is using,
maybe even with road crossing locations.  This would assist those of us
with maps of the area.  

--Joe Brennan
From: matthew@cluster.cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Railway Gazette International
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:18:01 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Science, Uni of Sydney, Australia


 Could some one send me details of this publication. Like the address
of the publisher and is it in English ?

 It sounds like they frequently cover interesting topics that id very
much like to see , but the local rail fan shop doesnt seem to carry it.

Matthew Geier,
matthew@cs.su.oz.au
From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Bad track (WAS Re: Assorted general questions)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:37:10 GMT
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In Message-ID: <1992Jul29.163223.6458@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, Dewi writes...

>
>> 	A train can, in fact, operate over shocking bad track, tho at elevated
>> 	risk.  During WWII, the partisans discovered that they had to do some
>

One of my train watching spots is the Lawrence, MA yard on the B&M.  At the
north throat of the yard is a road crossing.  When a train is heading into the
yard on one of the tracks, the rail droppes a good 6 inches from street level
to "ground" level.  It's always interesting to see 6 axle power going down this
dip.

>
>It's been a long while since I read about the great train chase during the
>(U.S.) Civil war, but as I remember it, Andrew's Raiders tried to 
>derail the locomotive that chased them. Their first attempts were just to
>loosen the rail joints, but this didn't work: they had to remove a 
>section of rail, and this was quite time-consuming. 
>

Once again, I find myself recommending the Buster Keaton movie, The General.

c'ya

Mike
-- 
Mike Boucher			mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
Cortex Corp			"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never
Waltham, MA, USA		 get out of it alive!"
From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Info on recent questions(SD70,BN SD60MAC)
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:35:07 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I have some info on the recent questions I posted.
I just got the April/May/June issue of Extra 2200 South, and it had
a lot of answers to my questions in it.
First of all, the BN SD60M I saw about 1-2 months ago.
BN took delivery of 9500 and 9501 some time last year. These are actually
SD60MAC with radial trucks. They are basically test units painted in
a scheme similar to BN's, with a white stripe down the side. In the stripe
it says The Future Today with Siemens AC Technology. It is a joint product
between GM,BN and Siemens. The magazine said that 2 more were to be built
in Canada for a mid 92 delivery. I believe I saw 9502. My brother wrote the
number down as 9512, but he thinks it could have been 9502 instead.
Second of all, the F59PH's I seen go through. Someone told me they were
going to be for Metrolink. They told in the X2200 magazine that LA Transit
was getting 17 F59PH's numbers 851-867 for a Mid 92 delivery. Between
my brother and I we seen about 12 of these.

Also other things worth noting in the magazine:
It tells a locomotive delivery/order chart.
Basically look for these locos soon:
Amtrak B32-8PH-DM #490-499 early to mid 93
Amtrak B4008PH    #800-821 late 92-early 93
 These both will have a European style body, and the 490-499 will have dual-mode
 for replacement of the FL9's(That's what the DM stands for)
ATSF CW40-8 #800-866 (odd numbers only) Fall 92.
CSXT CW40-8 #7759-7817 they are currently receiving these (at 7792 currently)
GMLG SD60MAC #9502-9503 These are the engines I talked about above. Mid 92
LA Transit F59PH #851-867 Mid 92, I think they are all delivered.
Metra F40PHM-2 #185-214 10/91 - Late 92. These are the buggers replacing all
 those lovely E-units on Metra. The cab/frame/trucks are built in London ONT,
 and these are shipped via CP Rail to Chicago, for building the hood and 
 innards.
NS C40-8 #8714-8763 3rd quarter of 92
NS SD70  #????-???? Late 92-early 93. They ordered 4, but have no numbers 
 designated yet.
UP SD60M #6316-6365 3rd quarter of 92

Also, I believe reading this that these are some specs for the SD70:
engine: 16 cylinder 710G3B generating 4000HP
radial trucks
The NS ones say the above information, and they also say separate motor
driven auxiliaries, whatever that means




Fred Ochs
31ochs@gw.wmich.edu  (vax)
ochs@sol.cs.wmich.edu (unix)
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Jul31.132920.9322@mksol.dseg.ti.com> sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
> In article <UeS=8Bi00WB7MYKFAV@andrew.cmu.edu> Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >Excerpts from netnews.rec.railroad: 30-Jul-92 Re: Uploads to
> >wuarchive.wu.. by stewart l dejournett@mks 
> >
> >the resolution. At least not compated to the amount of time it takes
> >between uploading a .jpg and a .gif. I am doing this as a service, not a
> >life's work.
> 
> I sorry if I ruffled you feathers I really do appreiate the service you are
> preforming.  My problem is that on a 486 PC it takes less than 10 seconds to
> display a color GIF and several minutes to display a black and white JPG.
> Just venting fustration I was not meaning to offend.

Doesn't your viewer have an option to store the decoded images?  This would
be the best compromise, since you "pay" once to acess the images and after
that it would be quick retrieval.  Beyond this, it's just a matter of sharing
the pain - your slow view against others upload/download time and storage
burden.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosbarger)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: AMTRAK On-time-liness ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:16:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpmcaa.1992Jul24.161606.12295
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rmrin@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (r.m.rickert) writes:

[.....]
> I saw something in print recently that said AMTRAK had better than 90% on time 
> in the NE corridor but only between 50 and 60% west of Chicago.
> -- 
> 
> Dick Rickert  AT&T Consumer Products Laboratory

     This isn't all that surprising considering the amount of landscape that
trains in the West have to cover.  The Coast Starlight covers 1389 miles
and the Empire Builder covers 2209.  The Coast Starlight passes through many
large population areas, consequently there's a lot of grade crossings.  Add
to that the slow orders (remember that most of the track is SP's!), trucks
high-centering on crossings, SP trains going into emergency and breaking
coupler knuckles, and it's easy to see that the Starlight is operating at
a handicap before it even departs Seattle or LA.

     Last March I was waiting at the Davis station to head back to Salem,
and since the train was 2 hours late leaving Oakland (brake problems on a
baggage car), I struck up a conversation with the agent.  He said there are
20 minutes of 'dead time' between Oakland and Davis that isn't on the time-
table to allow for any maintenance delays, since Oakland is apparently where
most repairs are made.  However, we left Davis 2 hours late and arrived in
Salem 2 hours late, so maybe it's a case of different train handling between
engineers.  It's still annoying :-|.

--
John Mosbarger
HP McMinnville, OR
johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com
Xref: sparky rec.railroad:6066 sci.environment:10333 alt.activism:13758
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,sci.environment,alt.activism
Subject: Re: _Scientific American_ profiles Maglev Trains
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:42:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Jul30.043740.22561@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>
>	To help promote the funding auth for the $$ that Sen Moynihan
>has so skillfully included in last years highway bill (so says the
>article!), I'd recommend that rec.railroad readers write to the
>US DOT and Sen Moynihans office, urging the furtherance of the
>MAGLEV project and releasing funds. 
>

Why are you recommending that "rec.railroad readers ... urge the
furtherance of MAGLEV"? Do you think that because a person likes
railroads they favor Maglev technology? As a railroad lover I am
AGAINST Maglev technology. I think it is a dead-end, over-priced
way to do a simple task. The same money would be MUCH better
spent on improving existing rail facilities.

Maglev is NOT "railroad"; discussion of it doesn't even belong
in this newsgroup. 

Definition: Railroad - flanged wheels rolling on rails.

In any case, I resent the fact that you think that you have
the right to tell me (and the other readers of this group)
what attitude we should have about Maglev. 

I urge persons who love railroads to write their Senators and
express their disapproval of spending one penny on Maglev
research and technology, and that such money should be put
into improving the existing railroad infra-structure.

Michael Stimac
-- 
Michael Stimac
(408) 922-7539
romeo@tymnet.com
These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
Xref: sparky rec.railroad:6038 sci.environment:10285 alt.activism:13724
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,sci.environment,alt.activism
Subject: Re: _Scientific American_ profiles Maglev Trains
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:37:40 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)


	To help promote the funding auth for the $$ that Sen Moynihan
has so skillfully included in last years highway bill (so says the
article!), I'd recommend that rec.railroad readers write to the
US DOT and Sen Moynihans office, urging the furtherance of the
MAGLEV project and releasing funds.  I had had NO IDEA that my
senator was so INTO the idea of MAGLEV, and replacing our eroding
car-oriented infrastructure with something FAR more advanced!

	When I was in BERLIN 2 years ago I rode on an experimental
MagLev, they called it the M-BAHN.  It was one of the early proto-
types, and Im sure bears little resemblance to the TRANSRAPID
commercial system.

	In any case, as the article makes clear, if you want to
see MAGLEV development before, say the end of the century, write
to the US Dept of Transportation.
-- 
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* PO Box 3131 Church St Station, New Yawk, New Yawk, 10008-3131 (usa) *
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: No Horns Allowed (was Re: accidents at level crossings)
Keywords: accidents
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:35:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul23.125838.13463@tellab5.tellabs.com> dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan 
Dawdy) writes:
>>
(someone wrote):
>>>I find this hard to believe. I've never heard of a railroad which
>>>did not have the Rule 14(l) which mandates sounding the horn or
>>>whistle while approaching and crossing any grade (level) crossing.
>>>I also doubt that there is any state in the US which does not
>>>have a state law requiring the same thing.
>
>I came into this thread late and maybe it's been covered,
>but here in the Chicago area many suburbs do not allow horns
>at crossings. 

I've heard about laws like this, and I've always wondered: how do local
communities have control over the behavior of trains?  ICC or FRA rules
would override local laws.  Is horn-blowing strictly up to each individual
line, and not required by regulation? 

-- 

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From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: New Signals on NEC Mainline ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:37:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Jul21.211245.18956@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji) writes:
>
>Speaking of signals on the NEC, I was wondering why Amtrak is spending
>all this money to install new kinds of trackside signals on the NEC.
>Isn't it true that all locomotives on the NEC must be equipped with
>Cab Signals and ATC? So who needs those signals hanging off of various
>posts outside (except railfans maybe:-))? 
>

Many of the signals are interlocking signals, and must indicate
an absolute stop at a point beyond which a train may not proceed.
To my knowledge, cab signals do not provide an "absolute stop"
indication, nor do they provide information as to exactly where
the point is at which the train must so stop.

Interlocking signals are so close to the switches they protect
that, if an engineer attempted to drive past as absolute stop,
ATC could not function in time to prevent an "incident".

I'm expecting to be told that the newest cab signals DO provide
absolute stop information, now.  :-)

Michael Stimac
-- 
Michael Stimac
(408) 922-7539
romeo@tymnet.com
These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:29:20 GMT

In article <UeS=8Bi00WB7MYKFAV@andrew.cmu.edu> Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.railroad: 30-Jul-92 Re: Uploads to
>wuarchive.wu.. by stewart l dejournett@mks 
>
>the resolution. At least not compated to the amount of time it takes
>between uploading a .jpg and a .gif. I am doing this as a service, not a
>life's work.

I sorry if I ruffled you feathers I really do appreiate the service you are
preforming.  My problem is that on a 486 PC it takes less than 10 seconds to
display a color GIF and several minutes to display a black and white JPG.
Just venting fustration I was not meaning to offend.

stewart

From: gregb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Greg Brahms)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:41:41 GMT
Subject: Western Motorcar Events
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA