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From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Galahad/Galadriel
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep10.120925.5853@cs.tulane.edu> piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart) writes:
>Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-5837]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
>
>> Speaking of british neo-progs, have you ever heard any Galahad. I've
>> heard good things about them, especially about _Nothing Is Written_.

To my ears GALAHAD sounds a lot like a band of some young Marillion
wanna-bees, sort of like CHANDELIER. They only have two things out I know
of: A cassette (which I've forgotten the title of) and of course the CD
_Nothing Is Written_; Their sound is not all that original, but they're
a pretty good band nonetheless. I expect their next one will be much
better (originality wise) than _NIW_. I don't know, it may already be out.

>I started this msg 'cause I first thought you meant Galadriel, which is a neo-
>prog band from Spain.
>
>They have two albums, _Muttered Promises From An Ageless Pond_, which is
>supposed to be fairly Yes-like, at least on a few songs.  The newest is 
>_Chasing the Dragonfly_, which I haven't seen anything about.  Overall, they
>have received good reviews in Gibraltar.  They were also compared to Twelfth
>Night and Marillion by one person, though he prefered that latter two. FWIW.

The Twelfth Night, Yes and Marillion comparisons fit the first album only.
I have the second _Chasing the Dragonfly_ and have listened to it
** many ** times now, and altough the same elements are there, what I
hear is the band determined on expanding their style and developing
a more unique sound. There are a lot of new influences appearing within
the old sound: Jazz, World Music, etc., and the production is much better
this time. Strongly recommended, definitely better than the first.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: Galahad/Galadriel 
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-5837]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:09:25 GMT

> Speaking of british neo-progs, have you ever heard any Galahad. I've
> heard good things about them, especially about _Nothing Is Written_.

Hey Ken!

I haven't heard much about Galahad except for brief mentions in Gibraltar. 
I started this msg 'cause I first thought you meant Galadriel, which is a neo-
prog band from Spain.

They have two albums, _Muttered Promises From An Ageless Pond_, which is
supposed to be fairly Yes-like, at least on a few songs.  The newest is 
_Chasing the Dragonfly_, which I haven't seen anything about.  Overall, they
have received good reviews in Gibraltar.  They were also compared to Twelfth
Night and Marillion by one person, though he prefered that latter two. FWIW.


	Mike


Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: masanag@athena.mit.edu (Masahiko Nagamiya)
Subject: Dream Theater
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:31:55 GMT

I guess this band goes underthis categorie... I think.
Anyway, I just got the latest Dream Theater album
and man it kicks ass!

Can anyone tell me about this band, like when they
first came out, how are their previous albums, etc....
????????

Thanks, much appreciated.

Masa

-----Politics are Dancing-------Raymaker---------

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,alt.fan.peter.hammill
From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: Advice on the next album(s) to get
Date: 7 Sep 92 05:08:48 GMT
Keywords: Heya Nadir!  Who sez you can't get afph?

In <1992Sep2.183039.2044@athena.mit.edu> alindsay@athena.mit.edu (Adam Taro Lindsay) writes:


>In Camera
>	Really liked this one as a whole, but I get lost around Faint-Heart
>	and Comet. GOG/MAGOG get me back, though. Real fun with headphones.
>	What to Gog and Magog mean/refer to? I've seen Magog elsewhere
>	(Genesis: Supper's Ready), but don't get the specific reference.

Gog and Magog come from the Book of Revelations in the New Testament.  Since
Supper's Ready is Biblical in nature, it fits there.  It's the army of the
Apocalypse...

Gog is possibly my fave Hammill song.  Love the drums...

>Godbluff
>	This is about where Pawn Hearts used to be. Still don't understand 
>	why it's their later masterpiece. I just got the lyrics, though. 

I love this album (and Still Life).  The way the songs flow into another
is part of it, the tightness of the band is another reason.  Seems like
they were coiled tight and ready to bite...  I still think that Still Life
was the high point of the second generation VdGG...

>Over
>	My girlfriend just called it "the sad one." Well, yeah, it *is* pH.
>	A recent acquisition, I loved it from the start.

One of Fish's faves.  In his personal Top 10 (note other Hammill crossovers
to Marillion/Fish like "Just Good Friends").  Don't forget that pH opened
for Marillion on their Script tour (it was his Enter K tour).
--
Ken			"You're right about the moon
jester@crash.cts.com	 but wrong about the stars"--J. Browne
ucsd!crash!jester
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: NOVA
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:03:58 GMT

Anyone have any info about Nova? Supposedly they're Brand Xish,
featuring Percy Jones and Full Colons on a few releases.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
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From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Manfred Mann and Bruce Springsteen?
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:51:51 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep5.171435.22936@EE.Stanford.EDU> bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.181252.7228@meaddata.com> timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein) writes:
>>As an avid Springsteen hater, however, I have a pet theory (which I don't
>>really believe):  MM actually despises Springsteen as much as I do, and
>>remakes his songs just to prove that he can make good music out of trash.
>>(Those of you who have never heard Bruce's monotone, irrhythmic versions
>>of "Blinded By the Light" and "For You" are fortunate indeed.)  Perhaps
>
>Yah, rrrright! MM versions are cute and catchy pop music, but if you
>want feeling and the stuff of which great music is made, check out
>just about anything on Bruce's first album, Greetings from Asbury
>Park. You can get it cheap on CD, too. It's probably his best, I
>think. Maybe doesn't grab you on first listen, but I now consider it
>a rock classic. "Growin' Up" is a great tune of rebellion and
>coming to terms with oneself.
>
I gotta agree with you on this one. Although Springsteen's instrumental
arrangements may not be the the most technically developed (and Manfred
Mann's Earth Band are), Bruce's raw emotional delivery of these songs
give them far more feeling and meaning than any of the Manfred Mann
cover versions.If you don't care about emotional content, then I guess
it doesn't matter...  Me enjoys both, each has it's own strengths.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Wishbone Ash
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:15:51 GMT
Organization: Washington University Astrophysics
NNTP-Posting-Host: fermi.wustl.edu

Does anyone know what Wishbone Ash is up to?  I know they were on tour
in the US last year.  Any plans for a new release?  And is there a
Wishbone Ash newsletter?

-Scott Oser

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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Clinton Hyde
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:43:46 GMT


Clint, my mail to you keeps getting bounced. Can you please send me your
mailing address again so that I can send your tapes ... Thanks !


cheers,


Shiv


shiv@bnr.ca
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From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Affordable Floors
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:48:52
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: Michael John Colaianne's message of Thu,  3 Sep 1992 12:47:15 -0400 

In article <gedY6Hi00iUyM46ac5@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael John Colaianne <mc4g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Yup, the Floors are based in Pittsburgh.  They've got quite a local
>following that verges on obsession sometimes...

>'Drumming on the Walls' has been out for quite a while, though.  Rumors
>abound that mid-September will see a new album entitled 'A Thousand
>Days.'  Since their falling out with MCA last year (or maybe 2 yrs ago)
>they haven't produced anything I know of.

Is there any chance The Sounding will be reissued on CD?  I liked this
album even better than Drumming on the Walls, but my tape is getting a
bit worn...
--
_______________________________________________________________________________

Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University
yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_, by Brian Eno
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:38:23 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep9.061446.7536@muddcs.claremont.edu> mtrnka@jarthur.claremont.edu (Sven) writes:
>
>
|>Fractal Zoom (Separate Time Edit)        4:13
|>Fractal Zoom (Mary's Birthday Edit)      3:49
|>Fractal Zoom (Up River Mix)              8:07
|>Fractal Zoom (Small Country)             6:58
|>The Roil, The Choke                      5:00
|>Fractal Zoom (Naive Mix I)               5:24
|>Fractal Zoom (Zaire Mix)                 6:14
|>Fractal Zoom (Naive Mix II)              5:55
|>Fractal Zoom (Landed Mix)                5:50
|>Fractal Zoom (Bucolic Mix)               4:42
|>Fractal Zoom (Separate Time Full Length) 6:24
|>Fractal Zoom (Mary's Birthday Mix)       7:07
|
|Wait, a sec.is my single only about 20 mins long with three remixes?
|Is the maxi-single only in England or something?

I'm sorry, but somehow I can't understand what the popularity is of having
11 "versions" of the same song on a recording. Bucolic Mix? Mary's Birthday
Mix?  Give me a break.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
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From: dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_ / _No New York_
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<malcolm.716083130@wrs.com> <1992Sep12.052024.13285@news.iastate.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:01:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.052024.13285@news.iastate.edu> jeffrey@iastate.edu (Jeffrey L Biggus) writes:

   SPEAKING OF _NO NEW YORK_, what happened to that album???

   I've been looking all over the place for that, even on vinal,
   but no go.  Is it still in print?  Is it available on CD?

There's no way that that LP is still in print.  I haven't seen it on
CD either.  They're re-issuing so much obscure punk and post-punk on
CD, though, that maybe they'll get to it eventually.  My impression is
that, even with the re-issue mania sweeping the world, compilations
seem to be getting overlooked.  I bet that if you DO find a used copy
of the LP, it won't be too expensive.

   --Dave.

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         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
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From: jtl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Joe Lynn)
Subject: Re: Recent Renaissance Discussions
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:37:09 GMT

In article <92251.163653DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu> DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> ...
> Part One:  Some
>say that Renaissance started in 72 w/ Haslam and Prologue, but I seem to re-
>call an album back in 69 or 70, but I can't for the life of me remember the
>name. 

The band called Renaissance was born out of the Yardbirds:  over-simply put, 
half the Yardbirds left to form Led Zeppelin and the other half formed
Renaissance.  This was in 1969.  

Two LPs were released under the Renaissance banner (_Renaissance_ and 
_Illusion_) which have since been reissued on CD.

After a bunch of personnel changes, a second version of Renaissance was
born, featuring Annie Haslam on vocals.  This is the incarnation of the
band that many people are familiar with.  This lineup was born in 1972.

> ...
> Anyway, can someone just
>supply me with a FULL discography including all Pre-, post-, and during-Haslam
>eras??   

I just posted the Renaissance Discography to this newsgroup.

>...
> Also, I only own two Ren. albums currently, Turn of the Cards and
>"Live in Carnegie Hall".   Do either of these two exist on disc????  If so, I
>WANT THEM!!  I've never seen them on CD before and just want to know.

Nope.  Sorry.

Anyone who is new to Renaissance should pick up the 1990 CDs called
_Tales of 1001 Nights_, volumes 1 and 2.  These discs give a comprehensive
overview of the band and its history, as well as a sampling of the
tracks they recorded for Sire in the 1974-1979 period, including 
tracks from the two LPs mentioned above.


Joe Lynn
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jtl@ddsw1.mcs.com
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:04:24 GMT

In article <sedHOBK00VpOQ0wEVE@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Scott T. Lillis" <sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> >	Could someone please recommend some John McLaughlin/Mahavishnu
|> >Orchestra albums?  
|> <stuff deleted>
|>  
|> As for Shakti and Trilok Gurtu& Kai Eckhardt, McLaughlin really seems to
|> interact well with eastern musicians and music.  I would like to hear
|> more of this kind of thing.  I haven't ever listened to "Inner Mounting
|> Flame", "My goals Beyond", or Hussians "Making Music".  I would like to
|> know more about them if you have any comments.
|> 
|> Scott Lillis
|> sl4q+@andrew.cmu.edu

If you like _Birds of Fire_ you'll probably like _Inner Mounting Flame_
as well. The latter was prior to BOF and has the same lineup Jan Hammer,
Jerry Goodman, Billy Cobham, McLaughlin (and a bass player whose name
I've forgotten). There is also _From Nothingness to Eternity_ which was
a live album - the last with the same line up. Mclaughlin continued to
use the name Mahavishnu Orchestra but the line up was different. 
Narada Michael Walden was his drummer on several of his subsequent releases.

McLaughlin also had violinist L. Shankar on an album (One Truth Band or
was it the Electric Band - I'll check). Nothing special though.

_My Goal's Beyond_ was prior to IMF and is not bad. Hussain's _Making Music_
is few years old and Jan Garbarek on sax, Chaurasia on flute. Its more
in the jazz lite/world music vein. It is all acoustic.

Trilok Gurtu has 2 albums - _Usefret_ and _Living Magic_. In the former
he rehashes Indian songs using Western instruments and gets his mother,
Shobha Gurtu (she is one of India's top female vocalists) to sing Indian
songs. I didn't like it that much. _Living Magic_ though is fantastic.
Excellent jazz fusion ! Highly reccomended.

_Shakti_ with McLaughlin, Hussain, L. Shankar and a few others is a lot of
fun. Its acoustic but there is a *LOT* of energy. This is available on CD.
They also did 2 or 3 other albums, but all of them were studio albums
and the same energy was not there. As far as I know these are only on vinyl.

I intend to do some articles on Indian classical music sometime. I listen
to a lot of it. Indian classical music is a lot like jazz in that there
are only a few musicians, there is improvisation, etc.. It is also a lot
like prog rock in that there are lots of different rhythms and cross rhythms
that are explored, the songs can be quite long (an hour or more), and it takes repeated listenings to really get into it.

I would suggest starting with the John McLaughlin Trio Live CD or Gurtu's
Living Magic to start with and then moving acoustic to Shakti, Making Music.
Finally try some full blown stuff such as Chaurasia (flute) and Hussain 
(tabla). Rykodisc has an album calld _Venu_ by the latter.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:36:53 EDT
From: <DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Recent Renaissance Discussions

Greetings listeners:
    I've been reading all of the recent discussions on Renaissance and I have
a couple of questions, since I am a new Renaissance fan too.  Part One:  Some
say that Renaissance started in 72 w/ Haslam and Prologue, but I seem to re-
call an album back in 69 or 70, but I can't for the life of me remember the
name.  All I remember is that there was one song bearing some sort of similar-
ity to "... orbits of dust ..."  I could be wrong.  Anyway, can someone just
supply me with a FULL discography including all Pre-, post-, and during-Haslam
eras??   Also, I only own two Ren. albums currently, Turn of the Cards and
"Live in Carnegie Hall".   Do either of these two exist on disc????  If so, I
WANT THEM!!  I've never seen them on CD before and just want to know.
 would be mailed to my


I would greatly appreciate it if your responses were mailed to my account, at
dab112@psuvm.psu.edu     Thank you very much!!


                                              David A. Barro

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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: NOVA
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 15:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.032601.7643@cunews.carleton.ca>, wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
|> Here's another question.
|> 
|> Is the Narada Michael Walden on Nova and a lot of great fusion
|> projects form the 70s, the *same* Narada Michael Walden that's
|> involved with unbelievably lame hip-hop, rap, r&b slush projects
|> in the 80s and 90s?
|> 
|> Anil Prasad
|> wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
|> 

You mean like producing Whitney Houston ? Unfortunately, the answer is
YES ! A shame really. He even has his own new age label (Narada).
The guy was/is a phenomenal drummer. But he is making oodles of $$$
and every musician ultimately comes to a point where they have to
decide whether they want to prostitute their art and make lots of money
doing popular stuff, or to do what they find personally fulfilling and
hope the money thing works out.

He was on Aresnio Hall last year. He had a very ostentatious drum kit
(remember Liberace's piano ? Well this kit was decorated with shiny doodads).
But he can still play, thats for sure !
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:51:23 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BuDuqy.n0t@acsu.buffalo.edu> v134pfzd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NADIR) writes:

>Yes of course, artists (as well as listeners) tend to think of the older
>material as being less "mature" than the more recent stuff.  And it's one
>thing to decide not to represent portions of one's career - e.g. p.g.'s
>omission of the II period songs on "Shaking the tree".  But for Fripp to go
>back and actually *change* what is, for all intents and purposes, the original
>track, is unconscionable.  If he's uncertain as to the "maturity" of "Exposure"
>then he's not even giving himself the benefit of the doubt in the eyes and ears
>of his prospective listeners.  How easy is it for someone in nigh-vinyl-less
>1992 to find a copy of the original "Exposure"?

I'm finding this sort of thing happening all the time. I don't mind when
an artist wants to remaster something for better sound quality, but when
the whole thing is remixed with different instruments at different levels,
parts re-recorded and mixed in with the old, vocal tracks added or removed
or things speeded up or slowed down, that's going too far.... there should
be some kind of warning label on this stuff...

The ENID is great for this, they actually re-recorded the entire second
side of _Region of Summer Stars_ for the CD re-release, it even features
a different drummer. They did the same sort of thing with _Aerie Faerie
Nonsense_.Talk about rewriting history...
And what about NEKTAR's _Remember The Future_ CD, The first side sounds
nothing like the LP, they put the guitars way in the background and
brought the organ out front. Thank god i still got my LP of it.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
From: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_ / _No New York_
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:24:28 GMT

bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.052024.13285@news.iastate.edu> jeffrey@iastate.edu (Jeffrey L Biggus) writes:

>   SPEAKING OF _NO NEW YORK_, what happened to that album???

>There's no way that that LP is still in print.  I haven't seen it on
>CD either. ...  I bet that if you DO find a used copy
>of the LP, it won't be too expensive.

Depends on where you find them.  I know of people who have found
copies in Salt Lake City and in Bozeman, MT for no more than a couple
of bucks.  The last time I saw one (in Berkeley) it said "$25" on it.

The good news is that Zorn is releasing a live DNA date from 1982 on
his new label.

-- Clay

		"Here come my shoes.  Here comes me."

				-- David Thomas
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 04:34:01 GMT

In article ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>Agreed. _A Song For All Seasons_ is the only Renaissance album I don't
>have... I bought it back in 78 when it first came out, listened to it a
>few times, but after a mega-masterpiece like _Novella_ and the excellent
>tour that followed it, listening to _SFAS_, with it's more poppy feel
>and all those sugary-sweet lyrics made me ill and angry, I took it out
>and sailed it (..something I never did with any record before !).

I stronly disagree. I rank Song For All Seasons (the whole album) in my
top rank of Renaissance albums. Listen to it again. My favorite tracks:

The day of the dreamer (especially the slow section near the end)
                       (Annie's voice is ultra smooth in this section)
                       (orchestration is intricate and counterpoint superb)
                       (this is still my personal #1 song from Renaissance)
Back home once again (a sunny, spring morning sound, absolutely uplifting)
                     (imagine a blond English boy coming back from boarding)
                     (school and the next morning dressing up for church with)
                     (his beloved Family with Values and seeing old friends)
Northern lights (a bit tame, I know, but arrangement and performance is good)

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
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