HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: yes or no? (bot deopping)
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:03:59 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil> writes:

>	I read it again.  It says SpUr killed Page,  Gwydion killed
>SpUr, SpUr squitted Page.

Well I guess it depends on how it is read and what you want it to say
when you read it.  Some extra puncuation probably wouldn't have gone
astray.

> Darren> Page killed Spur (stupid reason); Gwydion killed Page for
> Darren> killing Spur (another stpuid reason); Spur squits the server
> Darren> Page is on (the most stupid reason of the three).

>	NOW you're not saying that Gwydion killed Page.  It looks like
>YOU confused yourself with the 'was killed by' construction.

Maybe, but Gwydion did kill page.  Seems only a few had any trouble
working out what was meant, maybe the rest dont care or saw it for
themselves or even worked it out...everyone knows Gwydion would never
have killed Spur...

Avalon

Say no to vanity ops and vanity servers.

p.s. If you dont mind me asking Sten, why did you decide to jump in on
     this ?  They actually let you use IRC from *.mil or something else ?
     Just curious...lucky I'm not a cat ;)
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
Subject: Re: Almost one year...
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:12:20
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
NNTP-Posting-Host: nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU's message of Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:00:39 GMT

>Some people think I may now be obsessed by posting about IRC on Usenet.
>Well, maybe... about 35% of my postings are IRC-related. Hopefully that
>will drop in the new year.  But... Coming soon to this newsgroup...
>I have another New Year's Resolution. Can you guess what it is?

Oh dear.  Are we going to have to issue a control message for
alt.irc.recovery.recovery, so you can tell us how much less you've been
posting? 

Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Almost one year...
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:00:39 GMT

Well, it has been almost one year since I was inspired to quit IRC by
Luru and Max. Since then I've gotten much more work done. Some people
think I may now be obsessed by posting about IRC on Usenet. Well,
maybe... about 35% of my postings are IRC-related. Hopefully that will
drop in the new year.

But...

Coming soon to this newsgroup...

I have another New Year's Resolution. Can you guess what it is?


Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: yaz@phoenix.oulu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
Subject: Re: Pun alert II
Date: 26 Dec 92 18:05:39 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsagent: :: uutimet -- news-agent by yaz@phoenix.oulu.fi ::


0> Message-ID: <FRIEDMAN.92Dec23021725@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
0> Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.recovery,alt.irc.sleaze
0> 
1> Once again, in fine tradition, I and several acquaintances proceeded to
2> waste a perfectly good evening making puns on IRC.  This is what VR is
3> all about!

What has this to do with alt.irc.recovery ?  Or maybe it is here just to
show how meaningless irc sessions can be.  I personally don't understand
what is so funny about word twisting.  Maybe it is just that my native
language is not English.

Why was the article not x-posted to alt.irc.corruption.log.log.log ?
Well, we can only guess.  After all it was not a corrupt mean old
log of someone who got mad at some others' words on irc.

Ok, when I read those three quoted lines again and again, it is revealed
to me that it might have a place in alt.irc.recovery -- it sounds
sarcastic, ironic, and the poster seems to have realized how wasteful
it was to waste that perfectly good evening making puns on irc.

> On channel #cantabrigia, December 16, 1992 at ~22:00 - 23:08 EST

Oh, something good. It did not happen in the Xmas Eve!  


Happy holidays,

--
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Taidonkaari 1 E 36   Tel:+358-81-5546081   I __`.  |   *Burp*
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.misc
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 22 Dec 92 10:04:27 CST
Followup-To: alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
In-reply-to: pdchapin@unix.amherst.edu's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:11:33 GMT

In article <Bzo279.JFC@unix.amherst.edu> pdchapin@unix.amherst.edu (PAUL D CHAPIN) writes:
   : >Jyrki Kuoppala (jkp@cs.HUT.FI) wrote:
   : >
   : >: I hear reports of kids trained to inform to the officials about their
   : >: parents.

   [lots deleted]

   That wasn't the claim.  The claim was that they were "trained".
   This implies a program of instruction.  That's plain silly.

Check out the DARE programs.  A common feature of DARE presentations
is the instructing of children to look for "signs of drug abuse" in
their parents.

When I went to elementary school, they told us how lucky we were to
live in America since the children in comunist countries were taught
their first loyalty should be to the state.  My how times change...

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: bud@mtek.com (Bud Hovell)
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Reply-To: bud@mtek.com
Organization: MTEK International, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:35:30 GMT

zitsky+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Ryan Miller) writes:

[ re-edited below, since this poster has evidently not yet encoun-
  tered the notion of terminating lines with the mysterious "return"
  key. ]

> The invasion of Panama was "to protect the canal treaty".  If so,
> why was that not the focus of Noriega's trial or the media coverage?

This old chestnut seems to get hauled out again and again by people
who cannot distinguish the difference between the provisions of a
treaty (the right to intervene) and the provisions of a law (the
right to arrest, prosecute, and jail wrongdoers of a specifically
defined sort).

A treaty must be ratified by the governments of both countries. Which
did occur -- prior to the coup by Noriega. Our rights are not abriged
by the change of "government" in Panama any more than are our rights
in the sole use of Guantanamo after the change of government in Cuba. 

But any country can pass into law whatever it damn well pleases with-
out permission of any other country (with obvious exceptions).

So the answer to your question is:

Because the treaty provision giving the U.S. the right to protect its
interests in the Canal -- by military force, if necessary -- did not
contemplate or provide for threats launched against it by a dictator
who had seized -- by military force, where necessary -- control of
the Panamanian government *itself*, with whom the treaty was signed.
Noriega was not tried on the basis of a treaty violation, since none
had occurred.

That Noriega had engaged in drug trafficking, though de facto "head
of state" (but only by de jure contravention of recent elections),
was cause for prosecution by the USG. And a charge subsequently con-
firmed in court to the satisfaction of most disinterested observers).

Though it may seem a bit far-fetched, in this instance the press got
it right. Proving, I suppose, that even a pig has *some* good days.
-- 
________________________________________________________________
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MTEK International, Inc.             Throughput Technology Corp.
Walk the talk.
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:38:56 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <23023@drutx.ATT.COM>, dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
> } In article <1992Dec22.194125.14451@kadsma.kodak.com> pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
> } ...
> } As I recall, the Bill of Rights contains a provision regarding
> } 'unreasonable searches and seizures'. I would categorize both the
> } IRS and DEA seizures as 'unreasonable'. Unfortunately, the Reagan/Bush
> } Supreme Court, led by that friend of individual liberty, William
> } Rehnquist, doesn't agree.
> 
> The people who spearhead the seizures have argued that such things as
> the 5th and 6th Amendments to the Bill of Rights apply only to *criminal*
> cases.  That is why such seizures are placed under *civil* procedings.
> It is further argued that it isn't the owners of that property who are
> being arrested; it is the property itself that is being arrested.  And
> since property has no rights, it can be taken without due process.

That's interesting. So using this argument, the 'authorities' can stop
me on the sidewalk, and take all of my clothes (being property which
doesn't have rights), and leave me naked (afterwards getting arrested
for indecent exposure)... Hmm....

-Garrett

> 
> Disclaimer:  I do *NOT* approve of these tactics.  I am just pointing
> out the arguments that the powers-that-be have used to rationalize them.
> --
> David Olson   dlo@druwa.ATT.COM
> "Keep in mind that I am speaking from Cambridge Massachusetts, which is
>  about as far out as you can get."  Robert Reich, economic advisor to
>  Bill Clinton, on "This Week with David Brinkley" 11/08/92
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: OPIN:Slick Willy's Business Team
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:47:14 GMT


While most of what comes out of the NY News Transfer Service, our
buddies at the Communist Party USA, is really silly, I think there are
some points which should be clarified:

In article <1993Jan01.134641.28409@anomaly.sbs.com> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>
>
>Face it... "Poor"/"Workers" don't have the knowledge nor expertise needed
>to fill a cabinent position (with some exceptions, I'm sure.) Subsequently,
>picking a "worker" out of a 250 million citizen field which could do the
>job well would be next to impossible.

I think the point that the article is making is that the cabinet LACKS
the experience these kinds of people would bring.  Their idea being that
at least one blue collar worker should be apointed to the cabinet to
represent the feelings of the "workers".  I think this is REALLY
problematic, but I can see their point.


	-Phil
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From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:58:59
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Distribution: world
	<1992Dec23.004340.23957@nntp.hut.fi> <bob1.725129827@cos>
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: bob1@cos.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:57:07 GMT

In article <bob1.725129827@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:

> I saw this in the Washington Post (not that I believe everything I
> see in the Post :-/). However, I also saw an interview with one
> of the 'technicals' (is that how you spell bandit these days?) last
> night and he was saying something to the effect that they chew this
> stuff until they get real high and then go out and shoot up the
> town. So who are we to believe? Some claim it is just like our
> coffee break, some claim it is a lot worse.

Maybe khat is a lot worse than coffee: maybe so.  Maybe it's so
incredibly bad, in fact, that it's as dangerous as that well-known
killer drug, ethanol.

But wouldn't you feel a trifle resentful if Somalia, or some other
Moslem country, demanded that American drug-users stop using ethanol,
and if they started to enforce that demand by military might?

Different societies make different choices about how they do things;
our society has chosen to tolerate ethanol use, and other societies
haven't.  What bothers me, though---what bothers me a lot, in
fact---is when the United States has the arrogance to insist that its
way of doing things must apply to the entire world.  We're trying to
insist that other countries change their laws on a whole spectrum of
basic issues, and we seem to have not the faintest recognition that
other countries have legitimate reasons for making a different choice
with their laws than we have made.

Khat isn't the most important example of this arrogance; it's striking
merely because it's so glaring, and so petty.


--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: EIR Talks to Lyndon LaRouche: 12/28/92
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:18:11 GMT
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia

In article <231-PCNews-124beta@ccs.covici.com> covici@ccs.covici.com writes:
>
>Interview: Lyndon LaRouche
>
>Return to the fundamentals of production-based economics
>
>{The following interview was conducted with U.S.  economist 
					     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and statesman Lyndon LaRouche from his prison cell in Rochester, 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Minnesota on Dec. 28, 1992. The interview was conducted by Mel 
>Klenetsky for }EIR'{s radio show ``Talks With Lyndon LaRouche.''}

<titter, chortle, guffaw....>

You forgot CONVICT and CRACKPOT... 1/2 :-)

	-Phil
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From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (autonome forum)
Subject: UK anti-racist news
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 16:27:11 GMT

subject: UK anti-racist news
posted by: autonome forum
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from: ECN London

15 December 1992

ANTI-RACIST NEWS:

-Five thousand people marched against racism in Glasgow on
November 28th in a demonstration called by the Scottish Campaign
Against Racism and Fascism (SCARF). At one point the demonstration
was attacked by 20 fascists. 15 fascists and three anti-fascists were
arrested.

-Asian and African-Caribbean youth in Newcastle (north-east England)
have formed a campaign after the racist murder of 66-year old Aziz
Miah on 14 September. A week after Mr Miah was battered to death
by a racist gang while on his way to a mosque, there was an angry
demonstration from the estate where he lived to the police station. The
Mr Miah Justice Campaign has now been formed, with a newsletter
called Kal Ki Awazz (Voice of Tomorrow).

contact: Mr Miah Justice Campaign, c/o 262 Westgate Road,
Newcastle Upon Tyne, NE4.

-in the West Midlands, police have been harassing the Ahmed family.
In June the family were assaulted and racially abused in their own
home by police who claimed they were investigating a complaint about
noise. Three brothers were arrested and charged, and their 61-year old
mother suffered a cut arm after being pushed by police. Later, she was
also arrested when she went to the police station to enquire about her
sons. A few weeks later, police again forced entry into the family
home, and shook awake a four year old child to ask her where her
father was. 

The Sandwell Action Committee Against Racist Police Harassment
have been organising regular pickets of the court where the Ahmed
brothers have been standing trial.

contact: Sandwell Action Committee Against Racist Police
Harassment, c/o Sandwell REC, High Street, West Bromwich.

information from: Campaign against Racism and Fascism, BM Box
8784, London WC1N 3XX (CARF produce a magazine, which is
probably the best regular UK anti-racist publication).

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From: michaels@psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:35:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US


Screw it:  with the US government already so deeply entwined
in the drug business, with teh DEA being the only profitable
wings of the police departments of this nation, why not go all
the way:

Legalize  drugs and tax the _&%*&%$&_ out of them, legalize
prostitution as well, as that is being used currently for
justification of civil seizure.

Which do you prefer, the government selling poison or mugging
you?

aUsing drug isn't a sin, it is just _stupid_.  Stupidity can
be cured, inoculated against.  But their is nothing an
individual can do when they are robbed by the police "in
the interest of the public good".


-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"No Blood for Oil!" ?  But Blood is a renewable resource, Oil isn't!
From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (autonome forum)
Subject: Asian women on strike in England
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 16:17:50 GMT

subject: Asian women on strike in England
posted by: autonome forum
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from: ECN London

15 December 1992

BURNSALLS STRIKE

-Asian women at Burnsalls, a metal finishing company in
Smethwick, have been on strike since June for better health and
safety, equal pay, and union rights. Conditions in the factory
were so bad that one worker suffered a miscarriage after her
request to be transferred to lighter duties was refused by
management.

The women have had strong community support with over 300 people
attending picket lines on Saturdays. On 28
November hundreds of people joined a march through Birmingham in
support of the strikers. The women are determined
to continue with their struggle. In the words of one striker,
Kuldip Dhaliwal, "We're not going to leave the picket line till
we win".

Strikers have faced intimidation from management and scab
workers. A striker's car was recently sprayed with acid.

send donations/ messages of support to: Burnsalls Strike Fund,
GMB Will Thorne House, 2 Birmingham Road, Halesowen
B63 3HP.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.save.the.earth,soc.women
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: What is United States of America like?
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:49:56 GMT

In article <Bzo36r.5sv.2@cs.cmu.edu> zitsky+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Ryan Miller) writes:
:|> In 15 major airports, ticket agents are paid informants of the DEA.  If you
:|> buy a ticket for cash, you fit the 'drug courrier profile'.  The ticket
:|> agent informs the DEA, who will come and relieve you of any cash you have
:|> on you, which is split with the informant.  You are given a receipt.  With
:|> this receipt and $900, you have the "right" to begin the process of proving
:|> the cash seized is NOT drug sale proceeds and NOT 'tainted' by criminal
:|> activity.
:|> 
:
:[much deleted]
:
:Again, can anyone refer me to original sources?? Perhaps some books, articles,
+ etc.  The "war on drugs" is an issue that I'm concerned about.  Enough to get
+ involved writing senators, etc.  I have heard such stories before but have
+ been too lazy to investigate.  Anyone want to help me out and point me in the
+ right direction?

Your "60 minutes" program put a perfectly normal respectable-looking (black)
reporter into an airport to buy tickets with cash, and he was picked up
withing minutes.  It was filmed. (We get 60 Minutes over here around
6am - I see it ocassionally if I've been hacking late)

I expect 60 Minutes will sell transcripts of their shows.  That one also
featured a pilot who has been jobless for years because his plane was
seized.  The man was never charged and was clearly innocent, but he only
got his plane back in the end buy buying it back at public auction.

Graham
PS The return key is the one a bit to the right of L and P.  :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Rape After Rape After Rape
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:47:52 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <BzGL99.IHz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:

>Or again, how about the Spanish-American war of 1898? At that time
>one of our battleships, the Maine, blew up and sank while docked
>in the harbor at Havana, Cuba. The newspapers sounded the alarm.
>The Cubans had attacked our ship! "Remember the Maine!" became
>our battle cry and we went to war. Later, of course, it turned
>out that we had sunk our own ship so as to stir up the populace
>and give us an excuse to once more go to war.

Mr. Redman, this is a lie.  I challenge you to provide supporting
documentation.

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