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From: anthony@cibbs.UUCP (Anthony Quinn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro EISA.  When?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 02:37:46 EST
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:

> In article <B6VmXB3w164w@cellar.org> failsafe@cellar.org (Failsafe) writes:
> 
> >ATI technical support told me a few days ago it would be released on January
> >18th. Computer Discount Warehouse confirmed this and said it has around 150
> >on order, for which 99 were spoken for. I made it 100!
> 
> Any word on price? 

Graphic Ultra Pro EISA has a US LIST of $899 whereas the Graphics Ultra Pro
ISA has a US LIST of $799.

Unfortuately, ATI has not met their target for the release of the new product.
Looks like they may wait until the Windows drivers encorporate the 24 bit and
Crystal Fonts into the Flexdesk control panel, but that is not for me to say.

For those that are wondering, 24 bit colour and Crystal Font work in Build 53,
but you have to edit your WIN.INI to activate them. Tis all the in the readme
file.



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From: gyl.midroni@rose.com (gyl midroni)
Subject: local bus hard disk
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:18:22 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-23-93 18:08
C(> 
C(> >Didn't he say it was a VL card?  That means that the CPU can't do
C(> >anything anyway, since when the disk controller has the local bus the
C(> >CPU can't talk to memory or anything anyway.  This is why I don't see
C(> >VL as a real win for anything except perhaps video; it will give you
C(> >great burst mode numbers, but it impacts overall system performance to
C(> >do that.  
C(> 
C(> Hmmm, it still has the internal I/D cache to run out of.

    Could you explain this to me a little slower please?  I am about 
to plunk down big bucks on a new system.  This particular vendor 
offers local bus hard disk controller.  He says the bus is 100% VESA 
compatible.  
    It seems to me that local bus disk access will be a speed booster 
for the reason of faster data communicatio with the CPU / memory.  It 
is four times faster to get data off the disk at 33 MHz off the local 
bus connection to the CPU and memory than at 8 MHz via the ISA bus. 
As simple as that... no?   Why would this impact system performance 
any more than getting data off the ISA bus.
    The only way I see the latter happening is if normally (i.e. using
 a ISA bus) data can go from disk controller to memory directly (DMA) 
while the CPU is doing something else, while with a local bus, Data 
transfer from hard disk controller to memory has to go via the CPU 
(i.e. no DMA) and then to memory.   Is this what happens?
    Please help me out with this before I toss big bucks down the 
toilet.
                       Thanks,
                        Gyl
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From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
Subject: Re: Gateway Unresponsive
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:22:57 GMT

baker@soopr1.seo.dec.com (Tom Baker) writes:


>In article <GERRY.93Jan18101305@onion.cmu.edu>, gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes:

You forgot some of the most important factors 
to consider!  The following:

>============================================================
>		Zeos		Gateway		Tri-Star
>		----		-------		--------
>		12ms Seagate	13ms WD Caviar	13ms Maxtor LXT

		Blech.		Yum!		Cool.

Case		?		Great Case!	Cool.
Box		?		Cow Spots!	?
Adverts		Ugh.		Catchy, unique	so-so
Periphs		?		Cheap!		?


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From: jennings@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Tim Jennings)
Subject: TI motherboard from Ecklektic (Blue Chip)
Reply-To: jennings@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:04:29 GMT

I am getting ready to buy a Blue Chip computer from an outfit
named Ecklektic here in Phoenix. It has a TI motherboard as 
opposed to an Intel. Has anybody had any experience with this
outfit? What should I watch out for.

Thanks in advance,

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From: moser@ks.id.ethz.ch (Stefan Moser)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:30:24 GMT

In article <2297@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) writes:
|> 
|> No, I don't see anything wrong with using the 80x86 name- V20s and 
|> V30s are a little out of date, besides everybody knows they're Intel
|> 80x86 clones. And, as someone else has already noted, people will keep
|> on calling Intel's Pentium the "586", and when Pentium clones come
|> out, the Pentium will be called the "Intels version of the 586". You may
|> see Intel switch back before too long!

Wrong. I've been following a couple of Pentium threads in various newgroups over the past weeks and as far as I can remember nobody ever refered to it as a 586.
And personally I think it's good that Intel did choose such a name, after all it keeps stupid companys to call their enhanced versions of the 486 a 586, as some did with their 386, thus warping the processor name confusion to a whole new dimension. 
Do you think that people are gonna call the Motorola 68060 a 68050 just because Motorola left that number out?

BTW, I wouldn't except to see Pentium clones to soon (if ever). It's complexity may be well out of reach for some of the other companys. Remember, not only do they have to build it, they actually have to reverse engineer it. Time comsumption for reverse engineering grows over-proportionally to the complexity of the target. Some companys already put their future on the line with the development of 486 clones (which I still haven't seen one yet). And now that Intel is aware of the problem they may as well ha



ve thougt of some silicon equivalent of Adobe's Postsript font hints.

Just my two bits.
 

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From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Subject: Re: Where to find "Lunchbox" portables
Reply-To: jongsma@esseye.si.com
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:29:27 GMT

In <1993Jan22.101537.2515@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> a_millsbs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>I am looking for a source for good, reasonabley priced, "lunchbox" style
>portable computers.  In fact a source for the lunchbox style cases that will
>accept a standard baby-at motherboard would be nice.

Pick up a copy of Computer Shopper magazine. There are several vendors of
lunchbox style portables in every issue. One or two case vendors as well.

Ken
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: misch@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mich. Schindliger)
Subject: Help for a rattling Mitsubishi drive?
Organization: Free Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:29:37 GMT

I have a relatively new Mitsubishi 40 meg MFM formatted drive,
I believe the model is MR535 but I may be wrong.  .  It works
fine but it rattles.  I ignored the problem for a while because
I figured I had just failed to install something with a tight screw,
but on examination I now see that the rattling is inside the drive.
It is driving me mad.. sounds like a loose screw, periodically
stopping, starting again at a different pitch, stopping again.
Is this the way it is supposed to work?  The drive works faultlessly
and is relatively silent when read/write accessing.  Unlike the
7 year old Miniscribe in the same machine which is silent until
accessed, then makes a bit of noise (as it always has anwhich
I consider normal for this drive!).
 
I don't imagine I should open it up and look for a loose screw?
 
Serious suggestions would be appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: vincent@wilbur.psu.edu (James Vincent)
Subject: Hard drive light blinks 3 times .. Help
Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:37:19 GMT

 I have a seemingly dead hard drive in an older PS/2 model 30. It is a
 20 M drive with the controller built into the mother board. I cannot
 low level format it. Norton Disk Doctor can't repair it because it
 it says I need to re-do a low level format. I have a PD version of IBM 
 advanced diagnostics that says either the disk is not connected -check
 cables etc.. - or when it does recognize that the disk is there it tries
 to do a low level format, gets to cylinder 611 then reports the format
 failed. The light on the drive blinks a repeating pattern of 3 blinks.
 It only does this sometimes, not always. Other diagnostic software says
 the controller is bad, or controller stayed busy. But I don't think the
 controller is bad because I can use another drive in this machine and
 it works OK. Also the broken drive does not work in another machine that
 has a good controller. IBM technical service says bring it to a service
 place. The service places all say replace it ( at great expense). I would
 really like to try and save this drive. Any ideas? All help is greatly
 appreciated.

				Jim Vincent
				vincent@wilbur.psu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gay@selkirk.sfu.ca (Ian D. Gay)
Subject: Re: Intel 486/33 vs Cyrix 486DLC/33 + 387/33
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:52:09 GMT

gchalk@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Chalk) writes:

>I'm in the process of deciding on a new motherboard and can't decide on
>what CPU to get....

>what does the Intel 486/33 do that the Cyrix 486DLC/33 with a 387/33  ??

It does floating point about 3 times as fast. I486 probably also has
a small gain in fixed point, due to the larger internal cache.

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From: carr@fog.cs.odu.edu (Eric Carr)
Subject: Re: HELP: Adding faster DRAM
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:22:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.071650.14940@nevada.edu> dinhyen@nevada.edu (Dinh-Yen Tran) writes:
>Hi:
>	I would like to put an additional 4M of RAM into my 386.  My computer
>uses 70ns DRAM but the company I want to do business with only stocks
>60ns DRAM.  Is it OK to use 60ns DRAM in place of the 70ns DRAM?  The chip
>type is 1Mx1-bit DIP.  Has anyone ever tried anything like that.  Please help.
>Thanks.
>dinh-yen tran
>dinhyen@redrock.nevada.edu

It's roughly the equivalent of asking if you can use a high-powered sports
car in a "speed limit 55" zone -- of course. It just has the capability
to go faster. The 60ns rating means the data can be ready as soon as 60ns
after the computer requests it. If the computer only needs it in 70ns, the
memory has plenty of time, aqnd should work perfectly. I have built several
'386 machines with just this configuration. The only time you would run into a problem would be if you tried to use memory **slower** than that which the
computer wanted to use.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 24 bit accelerator cards
From: djlewis@ualr.edu
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:51:41 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <74324@cup.portal.com>, DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld) writes:
> I would go for the Diamond Speedstar 24X which is faster and cheaper
> than the 1280 . You can get it for about $160. You have to consider also
> the speed of DOS operations. The 1280 was 50% slower than my cheapie
> SVGA with DOS. The 24X was 2x the speed of 1280.
Sounds like a good SVGA card if it out paces both the 1280 and the 24x. But 
then it seems with most cards that use an accelerator for windows forget all
about the need for fast dos.
Don Lewis
<djlewis@ualr.edu>
From: manaster@yu1.yu.edu (Chaim Manaster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: DEATH to floppies!!!!!!
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:43:35 GMT
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA

Does cleaning the floppy drive with a special cartrige do any good when
you have a flakey floppy? Any have some good experience? Is it
worth trying?

Thank you very much for the help.

Henry Manaster

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From: phillyg@acs.bu.edu (Khoa Nguyen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Does anyone know the specs for Seagate ST-412 ???????
Summary: ST412
Keywords: Seagate, Hard Drive, ST-412
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:01:46 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Hi,
  I recently picked up a Seagate ST-412 Hard-Drive at an auction,
but I don't know what kind of hard drive it is.  If anyone
knows the specs for this hard-drive I'll be very grateful.  I need
to know what kind it is(MFM/RLL/SCSI), its capacity, how many
cylinders/heads/sectors, and any other useful data that could help
me get this thing to work.

If you can, can you please e-mail me at phillyg@acs.bu.edu

Thanks,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
From: mike@donut.endicott.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: PS/2 harddrive upgrade
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:39:26 GMT
Reply-To: kincer@owgvm6.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM FSC Owego

In article <1993Jan26.003454.5604@henson.cc.wwu.edu>,
grege@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Gregory M Ellis) writes:
|> Be VERY careful when trying to upgrade PS/2 systems...even though it's going
|> to be more expensive, stay with a company that knows PS/2's and can assist
|> you in "plugging-in" new devices.   I recommend a company called DAKTECH in
|> Fargo, North Dakota.  They have most anything for PS/2 systems at a MUCH mor
|> reasonable price than IBM and should be able to give you some tech help....
|> 
|> we've had very good luck with them...

I've also had good luck with them, but disagree about their prices.
SOME things are much better, and some other things are EVEN WORSE!
(more expensive).  Best to check first...

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From: specter@compunet.uucp (Byron Guernsey)
Subject: Micronics MotherBoard???
Organization: The Alaskan Organization for Amiga Domination
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:23:06 GMT

I just bought a Gateway 2000 386/25 nocache Micronics Motherboard and I need
some help with it.  I've already tried both Gateway and Micronics Tech Lines.

Objective:  To install 2 megabytes in 256k simms modules.

Problem:  When I plugged the chips up, the computer won't come on.  It just 
          beeps out an error message which the Micronics Tech people describe
          as a memory error message. 

Paradox:  The manual says that 256k simms will work!!!  In fact, it has a chart
          with a diagram showing several different configurations, several of
          which use 256k simms.  The Tech people say they should work.  They
          advised me to try some different simms.  So I have.  1 megabyte simms
          seem to work fine.  I tried a different brand of 256k simms that
          were 3 chip simms, and they would not work either.  I have some 9
          chip simms made my NEC which are not working with it.  I have ordered
          a different brand of 9 chip simms to test out in there, but I have a
          strange feeling that its NOT the simms fault!!

Question: Does anyone know what the problem is?  Does anyone have a Gateway 2000
          system using a Micronics 386/25 nocache motherboard?  And if so, do
          you have 256k simms in it?  If so, what brand?  I could use any
          suggestions you all might have, please email me if possible. The 256k
          simms I have repeatedly tried are: NEC  MC-41256A9B-80  (9038ME)
	  Please help!! 

PS:       Yes, I have tried setting Jumpers on the board.  None apply to the
          simms.

Byron


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From: cboohake@ho09.eng.ua.edu (Charles Boohaker)
Subject: Standard, Ares, Austin, Tri-Star Opinions wanted 
Organization: The University of Alabama
Distribution: usa 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:09:03 GMT

  I am looking for a 66MHZ/486 computer.  These are the four companies
that I am considering.  Any comments will be appreciated.  You may reply
via e-mail directly to me.

Also, the Standard Computer offers a 66 machine with one local bus slot and
the rest EISA.  Is this better to get than a 66 machine with two local bus
slots?

Thanks in advance,
Charles
cboohake@ho09.eng.ua.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: cb3365@u.cc.utah.edu (Chad Beeder/CS)
Subject: Power Switch on Mitsubishi Diamondscan
Followup-To: sender
Summary: It's broken; how do I fix it?
Keywords: monitor, mitsubishi
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:41:24 GMT

I have a Mitsubishi Diamondscan AUM-1381 monitor with a power switch
that's acting up.  I've had the monitor for a bit over two years and this
problem has just been occurring recently.  What happens is that when I
push in the power button (it's a button, not a rocker switch) the power
flickers on for a moment and then turns back off.  If I hold the button in
the power stays on, but only for as long as I'm holding it in.  Is there
an easy way to fix these?  Do I need a replacement switch?  Opening up the
monitor case and looking inside (yes, the warranty has long since
expired), it looks as though I need to take the whole thing apart in order
to get at the power switch.  Another thing I noticed is that there appears
to be black electrical tape wrapped around the guts of the power switch.  Is
this normal, or was my monitor tampered with before I bought it?

Followups via E-mail please.  Thanks in advance.

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From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: TIGA video board, anyone?, You Betcha!!
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:32:06 GMT

In article <C1DxDv.BEr@austin.ibm.com>, oquinn@elder.austin.ibm.com (Jim O) writes:
> A friend of mine picked up a TIGA 340GFX video board at a computer garage
> sale the other day.  It has the TI TMS34010 [sic] part on it.  Can anyone
> tell me the following:
> 
>   1)  Is TIGA still around, if so how to I get in touch with them.
>   2)  What is its performance?
>   3)  Are drivers available for Windows, if so what res/colors?
>   4)  Why is the VGA feature connector "non-standard" looking?
> 
> Thanks in advance, send replies to:
> oquinn@eureka.austin.ibm.com

I think it's still alive and well. I just bought a TMS34020-40 w/TMS34082-40
EISA board. It came with drivers for windows 3.0 & 3.1, TIGA 2.2 & some others

Kris


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Tape Backups: Which is the best?
Keywords: colorado, iomega, tape, backups
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:29:17 GMT

I am interested in hearing go/bad information on various tape backups
including IOMega and CMI... you may email and I will summarize or post
here.


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From: adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir)
Subject: Re: NICE 486-50 Motherboard
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:26:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.202149.27576@novell.com> dbristow@novell.com (David Bristow) writes:
>Has anyone worked with a NICE 486-50 Motherboard?
>What do you think?  I had a EISA and had a heck of a time with it.

My SiS chipset 486/50 Eisa motherboard is very NICE and I recommend
it highly.

(Sorry, I coudln't resist :) )
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From: edwong@acs.nntp-read.bu.edu (Edward Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Overdrive
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:20:36 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA

anyone knows the current street price for 486 overdrive for 33Mhz chip
replacement?
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From: my@berlioz.nsc.com (Mike Yip)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm,comp.sys.intel,comp.arch,comp.sys.ibm.ps2,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.os.ms-window.misc,comp.os.ms-window.setup
Subject: Speed of VL bus system?
Summary: How fast does VL bus devices go?
Keywords: IDE, VL, Local Bus, PCI, Harddisk
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:44:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: berlioz.1993Jan24.194413.4304
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: National Semiconductor Corp.

[Xref to many groups.  Followup to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.]

Hello,
	I am planning to purchase a new PC system.  I would like to get
the more up to date system.  I am think that a VL bus system with
a VL Bus IDE controller and VL bus graphics card will be the way to go.
Am I right?  I also have a few questions concerning VL and PCI buses...

	Should I wait for a PCI system?  When will it come out?
	Are most VL bus system compatible with each other?  Should I wait?

	How fast does the VL bus IDE controller work?
	How about the last generation IDE controller on most motherboards?

	How about VL-Bus based Ethernet controller card?  Does it exist?
	If yes, how does it compare to EISA Enet cards?

	How about the VL graphics cards?

Thanks for the info.

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