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From: ss7k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shvetank Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: BEER!
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:57:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kerk_ES00WB_5_J2wS
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Came across this nugget while doing some research..the average American
drinks over 240 bottles of beer each year, and has done so for the past
decade.  That's 40 six-packs per each man, woman & child in the land. 
Kya baat hain........




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: More About India/ Whither Patriotism
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:51:56 GMT

(Uma M Subramanian) writes:
>
>Just to add to what Susan and Aruna have already said:
>
>First, I don't think I (or the other women posters who said US is
>better than India) denied the existence of sexism or harassment in the
>US. I didn't say Indian woen face *no* unwanted attntion on the roads
>either. What I *did* say was that there is no comparison between the two
>countries either in the degree or the commonness of the problem of
>sexual harassment.
>
>Having said that, let me say that I've had white American women (and
>others) for roommates, very close friends, colleagues and I've had
>a chance to observe first hand the reactions of men towards these
>women in various situations -- in cafes/bars/restaurants, on the road,
>friends, I've discussed the issue of sexual harassment. And I often
>Not once have I heard of public sexual assaults/harassment as something
>that a woman has to face in her *everyday* life. Yes, some men

Quite true! And I think all of us, barring a few intransigent gentlemen,
are agreed that women get treated worse in India than in US. 

However, there ought to be some explanation for this behavior disparity.
There are, IMHO, two reasons for this behavior: traditional male
domination and puritanical attitudes about sex. 

Let us look at the situation from the viewpoint of the harasser. he is
a teenager whose sexual desires have been forcibly suppressed by the
society. Girls effectively avoid him for fear that others may think
of them as 'loose.' One can identify exceptions, but this is the general
situation in almost all places. Our 'hero', conditioned by the societal
sexist attitudes and the lessons he draws from movies, finds certain
actions irresistible when he finds a girl next to him in a crowded
bus or a train, his finer urges of respect for a fellow human being
notwithstanding. Also, he is physically stronger to contain any
resistance.

This problem is not so severe in US because boys here have a more
egalitarian attitudes when it comes to gender and, further, they
are 'sexually satisfied' as premarital sex is not a taboo. Why would
then an American teenager want to ogle and tease other girls, one
may argue, when he gets the 'real thing.'

I should make it clear that I am not trying to justify one behavior
or the other, but just trying, in the pursuit of truth :-), the
reasons why Indian men are as obnoxious as they are! In summary,
their behavior is explainable, although not justifiable.

Any takers?

Satya Prabhakar 

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rkumar@Cadence.COM (Ravikumar TR)
Subject: Question on Birth Certificate/ GC Interview.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:35:23 GMT


Hi !
 
I am planning to take the GC interview at Madras next month along with my fiancee.  But she  doesn't  have a birth certificate . Does any one know if the DOB
on the school leaving certificate along with an affidavit from her parents will do ? How important is this certificate ??
We couldn't get a certificate from the registrar of birth that this birth is not
registered.

Thanks for your time !

Ravi.

Please reply to rkumar@cadence.com
From: hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE)
Subject: Re: Places to Suggest for Honey Moon .
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.011651.3843@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
>eleeafj@menudo.uh.edu (P. Narendra) writes:
>
>
>> Seriously,  go to Ladakh, believe me, you will enjoy......
>
>
>If planning to go out side India then how about Antartica or Siberia.
>
>Bye
>Adil


oh, now Mr.Adil wants a genocide and mass exodus from ladakh as well, huh?
you better realise this now, so that the rest of your life goes 
unconfused..kashmir, ladakh, jammu are all indian, ok?
repeat that a thousand times, and then maybe it'll enter your thick skull.
btw, isnt this characteristic of all secessionists? take from the
country, go abroad, stay abroad, and make sure that particular
region they come from , is full of chaos...wonder how much they sell
their mothers for?

disgusted,

-harsh
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From: s0d2506@tamsun.tamu.edu (Sanjay Deo)
Subject: Info regarding H-1 Process in Florida
Keywords: Attorney's
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:57:13 GMT

Hi,

I am looking out for reliable Attorney's in Florida, specifically
Miami area who specialize in the process of H-1/Green Card.

If anyone is going through the process or has already completed it
and  is willing to recommend his/her Attorney, I will be extremely 
grateful for their cooperation.

If I get enough response I will summarize it for the readers benefit.

Thanks in advance,
sanjay
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram)
Subject: Re: More About India
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:47:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.142640.10003@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Uma M Subramanian) writes:
>>    That itself shows that we (both men and women) like some part of teasing.
>
>This is the idiotic visceral thinking of the rapist culture -- that women
>enjoy all this animalistic exhibition of the hormone level of the male
>beast in heat.

Male beast ?  (Male beasts following female beasts?)
in heat ?    (is that something unnatural ?)

Humans have this extraordinary ability to get into heat
in any season of the year.  Please don't equate human
sexual behavior with that any other animals.  

However, if the said movies are made in bad taste, it is
everybody (not just the males) who are to be blamed for
watching it.   Female audience for movies is not much less
if any than the male audience.


>>    Sree
>
>Uma Subramanian

Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abhakta@nmsu.edu (BHAKTA)
Subject: re:  Can a girl and a guy be just friends??
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: soc.indian.culture
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:54:32 GMT


a guy and a girl can be just friends! not all relationships between
men and women have to be sexual or involve some kind of intimacy.
i am a girl, and i for one have many guy friends! and no! i dont'
like to present myself morally and feel like doing things secretly.
if i want to do something, i don't have to do it with a friend, i can
easily go and find a lover. 
From: rajiv.khanna@p2222.f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (rajiv khanna)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: BACK ISSUES OF INDIA TODAY,ETC..
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:55:00 -0500

To: uxa@po.CWRU.Edu (Unnati Amin)
 > Does anyone know how I could get certain articles from
 > back issues
 > of India Today or other such Indian magazines? As far
 > back as 1984.....
Library of Congress in Washington, D.C. is certain to have them.  India Today
(foreign edition) is also carried by most county libraries.  Please let me know
where and how you succeed in finding them.
From: arun@earth.njit.edu (arun mashara)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Green Card Dates
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:48:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

mansoor@orion.ssdc.honeywell.com (Mansoor Ahmed) writes:


>Does anyone know where I can get the latest dates for
>the various categories........
>I beleive new priority dates are released the
>10th of every month?
>-m

Try (202) 663-1541 for cut-off dates. 

Arun Maskara
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Natiowide Demo for Bosnia,Fri Oct16
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:42:53 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Feminist Problem
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:55:16 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Behind my back?
Summary: Behind my back?
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Ms Parameswaran writes:
>Ultimately, there is no uniform code, just a directed
>effort in constructing multiple choices in fairness.
>You fight oppressive systems but solutions for societal
>problems lie at best in changes where needed; not merely
>in scatching the surface in changing symbols for the
>sake of symbols. That is to say, sometimes the fight
>includes symbols and language, sometimes it doesn't.

On SCI a symbol can say more than the three paragraphs that U have
written.

>So you can say "womyn" several times, hit a lot of "U"s
>in place of 'you"s, be totally off-base in sensitivity
>and issues and in general, be a downright bore. Or in
>another story be an itching respondurangan, surface
>poised and cool; dig deep and out oozes muck.

I can remember reading your name from somewhere but I have not read
any of your articles. If U do find my postings 'boring',
'insensitive' etc. do what I do. Scan the article - see whether any
aspects interest U or skip the article. The choice is yours.

>Take your pick

Take your pick

I did not set any rules on SCI. If U have problems with my writing
style - its your problem not mine. There is one thing I do not do
i.e. jump on related topics and poke fun of people (almost like
stabbing in the back - disgusting).

Most of U think that I am making an attack against womyn. Just
'cause the people I am responding to are womyn. This does not mean
I am either a) provoking womyn, b) or being anti-feminist.
All I was arguing against was statements like a) "indians are less
evolved" and b) "indian womyn in India are unhappy".

BTW, what does "respondurangan" mean? We do not speak 'American'
here. And do me a favour - I would personally prefer U ignoring me
than taking up parts of my article and bashing it 'behind my back'.

>Shyamala Parameswaran

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: More about India
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:02:07 GMT

(Sylvia D'Cruz) writes:
> (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>|> Hi nettors,
>|> USA is better than India in treating women eh ? I assume people just study
>|> and study and don't look around what's happening here. Did any of you see
>|> the statistics of sexual harrasment in USA ? Did any of you see the series
>|> of women beating cases shown in CNN and other news bulletins ? Based on my
>|> observations I think USA treats women very very badly compared to India.
>
>There are no statistics or they are kept to a minimum in India in regard to
>most social aspects. Can you quote any statistics of sexual harrasment taken
>in the last few years, in India ?  Just because there are no statistics, don't
>presume that everything is just great about India. India has a large labor 

So true! When one divorces himself or herself of patriotic affinities for
a moment and compare the nature of social discourse in US and in India,
the following conclusion is inevitable: Indians in general are less
evolved along several social dimensions - sexism, racism, casteism,
work ethic, common courtesy, etc. - than their American counterparts. There
may be many reasons, but only those who have an unusually little grasp of
reality would conclude otherwise.

Case in point: Try confirming a reservation or changing the itineraty at
Santacruz.

Satya Prbahakar
From: vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More About India
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:23:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct8.032313.13957
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1992Oct7.213345.12813@meaddata.com> udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia D'Cruz) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.123921.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, rpsingh@uwovax.uwo.ca writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct7.072254.16233@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Uma M Subramanian) writes:

>
>How typical of an Indian man, to think, that feminine bodily charm, is only 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>thing that attracts an American man ! The sense of duty and loyalty that
>I have seen in some Indian men, stems more from selfish interests, than the

>I think the ultimate companion for an Indian male, should be the dog, the 
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ever faithful, ever at your service, if well trained can show some tricks to 
>his male friends and is around in sight only when needed. Maybe the indian
>male may have to resort to that in the future, if he does not change.

I concur with most of what you have to say. In some sense I must confess
that I feel guilty for walking away silently as "eve teasing" occurred in 
both the school and the colleges I have been too. However to characterise
the collective entity of "indian male" to be representative of such an
abhorable trait is not very fair. I know I am nitpicking and you obviously
didn't mean all males, but what the heck I have been away from SCI for long
and felt a need to post a flame to some intelligent article in true SCI
fashion.


The Phoenix

P.S Still recovering from the last case of Henry's Private reserve
and Goddamit I am not kidding.
>
>-- 
>Sylvia D. D'Cruz                                


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vksood@unity.ncsu.edu (Vikas Kumar Sood)
Subject: Re: INDIAN CRICKET TEAM FOR SA/ZIMBABWE TOUR.
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:20:40 GMT

They seem "GOOD" enough to play South Africa & Zimbabwe.
Do they need "LUCK" too?

Vikas
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian women and men
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:14:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Oct16.171406.524
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <1677@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
>There have been a number of posts on SCI dealing with 
>a) Indian women prefer tall, dark, and handsome men,
>b) that Indian women like to be eve-teased, esp. the reference to movies 
> - the heroine invites or rather enjoys being teased by the hero, 
>c) Indian women prefer American guys,
>d) Why don't Indian women date Indian guys, sleep with them, etc.........
>e) If it is *not* a love marriage then the Bride must bring a huge dowry + be slim. fair, beautiful, intelligent, etc ........... and
>f) If it is a love marriage, then the guy *would make a sacrifice* and not ask for dowry,
>
>It is pretty scary to note that this is the view held by a MAJORITY of Indian guys.   
>It should be interesting to know `how you guys came up with such a view?'
>
>
>Arathi


It is pretty scary to note that this type of gross generalisation is done by
a MAJORITY of SCI nettors. But it is not all that interesting to know 'how
they come up with such a view'. To do that is simple: Take a point or two
from one post and another from another post(totally different person) and so
on and then put them all into one and there they have what they think is the
MAJORITY view.


Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/Anywhere: a solution
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:52:52 GMT

In article <12823@hardy.rl.ac.uk>, ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Khalid Akram [Lahori]) writes:
>
> [some statements on Islam and treatment of women deleted]

You have only stated the bright side of affairs. Doesnt Islam
allow a husband to beat up his wife for not obeying him ? Islam
simply does not give equal footing for man and woman.

What you have stated shows that Islam's way to "good" or "moral"
behaviour is through restriction of personal freedom and fear of
punishment. Fear of burning in hell is not a solution to any
problem. 

> [more statements deleted to save  BW]
>
> their behaviour. THEY DO NOT. But society should recognise that all men CANNOT 
> control their sexual desires, some of them feel the need for an outlet when they 
> 
> The way to prevent this is to curb it, to restrict it, encourage sexual
> urges to be released through marriage. 

Consider a society where every consenting pair is allowed to have
sex. Won't some of the problems that we have be non-existent in such
a society ? 

I think so. There are (atleast) two ways of looking at this problem.
Either you can stick with outdated notions of morality and restrict
everything or change your notions of morality.

> There is a market in this "selling sex" trade, the west
> knows this, but because it is too greedy and wants to make money 
> out of it, the West refuses to acknowledge that it is making society 
> rotten.

This is your way of looking. Many westerners will disagree.

> Before some clever Tom/Dick or Patel says to me, "Pakistan is a muslim country,
> why does it not work there then?" Let me answer this: Pakistan is not being
> run under Islamic principles, nobody (99.5%) is practicing the way, 

This is a standard argument made by all religious believers. They
all think (do they ?) that their religion has all the answers, is
flawless and when something is wrong, point fingers elsewhere.

> Your views please. I want to hear alternative solutions for solving mens
> behaviour.

Shock treatment.

> "Hindu, muslim, sikh, hisai, sub ko mera salam."
> 
> Khalid
> ka@uk.ac.rl.inf
> 

RKP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Carrom board
From: ravishan@swan.wesleyan.edu (Ganesan Ravishanker)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:47:20
Organization: Wesleyan University



Hi

Can anyone tell me where to buy a good carrom board here in the US?
Thanks.


Ravi
From: txd6871@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: FRUSTRATING EXP. IN QUEBEC
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:28:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct10.105706.1@tesla.njit.edu>, txd6871@tesla.njit.edu writes:
> 
> 
>

Hi Folks,

Someway, my earlier posting didn't go thru. I had recently been to Canada,
for multiple H1. I had a frustrating experience. I am on the process of
writing a help file with the latest procedural details and other important
details. Depending on the number of responses, I can post it on the net,
or otherwise mail separately to the interested ones, and not waste the
bandwidth.

TD 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bsind@chinug.acns.nwu.edu (Brijnandan S. Dehiya)
Subject: Good /Bad,Love /Hate
Keywords: Indians
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:00:42 GMT



Don't you ever wonder why is it that Indians  indulge in more India 

bashing than anyone , anywhere else in the world?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sbb3926@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: <None>
Reply-To: sbb3926@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:36:02 GMT

Well It is really very difficult for any of us to narrow a big topic like
'Indian Culture' here in the net. I suggest You check in Your library and
Iam sure You will find enough material on the topic. Good Luck........Se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kaushik@dvorak.amd.com (Kaushik Chhotani)
Subject: Multiple entry visas on F-1 Practical Training from India/Mexico
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:56:46 GMT

Hi everyone,
        I would like to take a trip to India asap before starting on my job.
I have been on the 1 year post completion training since last January and that
is due to expire this coming January. I had been on pre-completion practical
training from August 1991 till mid-January 1992. I have been working at AMD
since January 1992 on contract basis and have been offered a permanent position
now.
        Before I join, I would like to take a trip back home and would like to
know if I should try for a visa from there or should I go to Mexico and get one
before leaving the U.S.? If I do need to go, will some kind soul please tell me
what papers I might need and what I need to do exactly. My F-1 visa for entering
this country expired September 1st 1991 and I haven't been home since January
1991.
        I know that most of you go to Mexico for their H-1s but if anyone else
has been in this position, please do respond immediately as this matter is of
prime importance to me right now.  I will really appreciate all the help you
guys can offer.

        Thank you in advance for all your help and please do respond personally
to me at the following email address:
                        kaushik@dvorak.amd.com
as soon as possible.

P.S. I do not read through all the articles in sci and would really appreciate
personal mail as it would speed things up. If there is a positive good response
I can post it on sci.


Kaushik Chhotani 
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