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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten Update (4-6-92)
Summary: And one is still standing...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:37:39 GMT


TOURNEY RESULTS AND SCHEDULE:

NCAA Saturday Night:

	#6-SE MICHIGAN (25-8) 76, #4-MW Cincinnati (29-5) 72:  Not an
	artistic piece by any sense of the imagination, but the Wolverines
	were able to *quickly* turn a 7-point deficit into a decent lead
	midway through the second half.  Cincinnati was a quicker team
	than Michigan anticipated, I think, and their pressure defense
	really gave UM and particularly Jalen Rose troubles.  James Voskuil,
	who was excellent at times last year for Michigan, really came
	through for his more-publicized teammates in the second half.  I've
	always enjoyed watching him.  Michael Talley provided some good
	PT as well.  Michigan will not be able to afford the big lapses
	tonight and expect to be bailed out.  Both Rose and Webber will
	have to be at their best...

	#1-E Duke (33-2) 81, #2-W INDIANA (27-7) 78:  IU had a chance to
	blow Duke out of the water in the first half, leading by 12 at the
	2-minute mark, but a 10-3 run by Duke, fueled by a couple of ill-
	advised shots by IU, allowed them back in the game.  Down just
	42-37 at the break, with Laettner looking awful, being out-shot,
	and being outrebounded 21-9, Duke was probably in good shape.
	They then seized control with 13 straight points in the second
	half (part of a 30-5 run).  They outhustled IU to most loose balls
	and spots on the floor, and IU grew cold.  The Devils also seemed
	to get the calls they lacked in the first half, too.  IU ended up
	being whistled 33 times in the game.  Todd Leary almost single-
	handedly provided a stunning comeback victory, when it appeared
	that IU and Knight had put up the white flag.  Why in the world
	did Meeks take that three so quickly under the 15 second mark?
	Leary might have made the outcome different...  Duke is somewhat
	banged up heading into tonight.  Because of Michigan's physical
	prowess and depth, this could be troublesome.  Just over 50,000
	for the two games, which was tremendous!

NCAA Men's Basketball Championship:

	#6-SE MICHIGAN (25-8) vs. #1-E Duke (33-2) (8:18 pm CST)

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From: kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SOME Michigan Fans...
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:38:34 GMT

> I am not a Michigan fan but have watched the action in the state of Michigan
> and I do recall the "riots" in Ann Arbor.   This year, though, it appears
> that the police may have exaggerated the "riot".  Apparently, some guys
> threw some things at the press, the police moved in and got a few things
> thrown at them, they then ordered the tear gas shot into the entire crowd.
> There were mostly eye witness accounts to the effect that "there was no
> problem until the tear gas which just inflamed the situation."  Five
> people were arrested and interestingly none of them attend Michigan.
> One was from Illinois, however, but I wouldn't conclude that Illinois
> people are rioters.

"a few things?" The crowd threw rocks and bottles at the police!
I saw it on tape on CNN!  Jeez, tell it like it is. One policeman had to
go to the hospital for an injury he received from a thrown rock.


Ken
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke-Michigan game: the last few minutes
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:00:26 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

I re-watched the tape of the Duke-Michigan game last night.  It was
interesting that Michigan was only 3 points behind with about 7 minutes
to go, and about 5 or 7 points with 3 minutes left.  Then the game ended
with Duke winning by 20 points.

I just wonder if Michigan did the right thing in fouling in the last
few minutes, considering that Duke is a great free-throw-shooting team
and fast break team.  Would it have been better if Michigan had just 
let the time run out and lose by about 5 points, rather than to have 
the 20-point loss engraved permanently in history?

Furthermore, shouldn't there be a rule against intentional fouling in
the last three minutes of the game?  Sometimes the last three minutes 
seem forever and ever.  The last three minutes of game time often translate 
into 15 minutes of real time.


Any comment?



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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Kentucky HS Mr. Basketball
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:33:43 GMT


	To those who follow Kentucky basketball -- who was named HS
	Kentucky Mr. Basketball this season and what college is he going
	to attend?

	A Lexingtonian trapped in Illinois,
	Jazzy J
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From: jeskridge@madvax.uop.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 00:23:57 UTC
Reply-To: jeskridge@madvax.uop.edu
Organization: University of the Pacific, Stockton, CA

Cherokee Parks is there to take his place, nice and simple.  
GO DUKE!!!!!!!   3peat
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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J.'Doc' Exby)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:23:08 GMT

bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein) writes:
>Pat Knight, that is.  The 6-6 redshirt sophomore was kicked off the team  
>by His Old Man, The Mentor, after he had been arrested for public  
>intoxication early Wednesday morning.

you know - it's just really to bad someone can't kick the older
Knight too for his public "embarassments" and crap.  Who's more of
an embarassment:  a 19yr old kid getting drunk and leaving a bar, 
or an old man who gets on national tv consistantly and acts like it?

::j

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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Fisher as a coach (was Re: Next Year!!)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:23:41 GMT

In article <2306@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
|>  Second, I will hereby predict that this Michigan team will never make it
|> back to the finals again.  It seems too much like the 1978 Duke team that
|> made it to the finals (immortalized by John Feinstein in _Forever's Team_).
|> That was a team dominated by two starting freshmen, a soph and 2 jrs,
|> after years of Duke mediocrity, that went a long way.  But they lost their
|> naivete, and had many internal squabbles and distractions, and had too much
|> pressure to do well next year.  Steve Fisher will really have to prove his
|> worth, not so much by coaching, but keeping egos in check and deflecting
|> too much praise/pressure from the media.  Chris Webber is a great one, but
|> has a lot of growing up to do.

Your views on what Fisher is up against brings up an interesting issue
on his coaching.

There are some people out there that say if Fisher coaches Michigan to
one or a couple of national championships during the Fab Five's stay,
then that really doesn't prove that he's a good coach since he's working
with all that talent.

However, as you point out, it may not be that easy for him to keep
all their egos in check, so if they do win, maybe it will say something
about his talents.

My question is : Do we seperate keeping egos in check and making players 
work as a team from "good coaching"?  Or is it just one aspect of being a 
good coach?

It almost seems like Fisher as a coach is "damned if he does, damned if he 
doesn't" with this team.

If this Michigan team doesn't win any national championships, then people
will probably point to Fisher as a bad coach who couldn't do anything with
talent.  But if they do win, then I expect we'll be hearing some lines like
"big deal, with all that talent even Dale Brown could have won a national 
championship or two."  Hasn't Knight, Coach K, the Dean, etc. benefited from
good classes too, yet they are (for the most part) considered good coaches
because they won with this talent?
 
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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (J.'Doc' Exby)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: FLAME BAIT: HOOSIERS WILL PREVAIL!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:06:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown) writes:

>  I know I'm setting myself up for the BIG FLAME-FEST, but IU WILL
>go the distance!!! All the indications are there; my roids are acting 
>up, I can't eat or sleep and I'm already drinking WAY TOO MUCH!!

>:-)
>:-)

well needless to say you must be drinking even *more* now that
your beloved loosiers got tossed by duke.  but that's ok
really - there isnt much else to do in bloomington anyway so have
another on me.  :-|
(burp)

::j
From: ajs@phy.duke.edu (Alec J. Schramm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Cawood
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:54:43 GMT


Well, as far as I'm concerned, the best part of the game Monday night was
the few minutes we got to listen to Cawood Ledford.  One last time.

-- 
	Alec J. Schramm                ajs@physics.phy.duke.edu 
	Dept. of Physics 
	Duke University	 
	Durham, N.C.  27706
From: michaelk@grizzy.wr.tek.com (Michael D. Kersenbrock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:13:14 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc

In article <92099.104532SNOSZB@vm.sas.com> SNOSZB@vm.sas.com writes:
>>>
>>I'd still bet on 73-75 Pack.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>Sanjeev
>
>Out of curiosity, exactly how many of the WolfPack's games did you watch in
>'73-'75?  I graduated a year ahead of you (1.5 years behind schedule) so maybe
>I'm a year or two older than you (?), and I was too young to know what b-ball
>was about when I was 7-8 years old (in 1973).

Yes I'm "from" that era (class of '73). I Personally watched *all* those
games.  When I moved out here ('77), I started a personal satellite dish
project (before you could buy them in stores) so I could catch the games
televised locally in the ACC region (cable coming in + ESPN has helped a
lot in this regard). I still subscribe to "the Wolfpacker" and have
subscribed to other ACC journals that I could find out about.

Yes, the '73-`75 NCSU team, in my opinion, is the stongest team that there
ever has been in NCAA basketball since '69 or so.  There *might* have been
better before that ("before my time"), so others will have to speak to that
point.

>
>No flames, just trying to stimulate the thread...
>
>Sanjeev
>BSCS '89



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From: maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark "Beren" Jamison)
Subject: Othella Harrington
Keywords: Hoorayy we're back on the list
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:36:37 GMT

Mr Harrington has listed his "Short" List of schools he is considering
its down to 4

Mississippi State
Arkansas
Georgetown
LSU

Now there's no way he should go to Georgetown or LSU, the pressure
to live up to the guys who just most recently left would be  just to
great.. That leaves Arkansas or MSU, and you know which school
I'll be rooting for..

BTW- I'm not all that hopeful when It get's down to the facts,
	the purple and gold are a bit too free with their money
	to see him go anywhere else..

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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: Re: 191 days till October 15th!!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date:  7 APR 92 14:05:18    

In article <1992Apr7.172218.15763@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, br347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Althouse) writes...
> 
>I'm in my usual post-tournament depression - no college hoops
>till Oct. 15th!  Oh, well...
> 
Better take an extra deep breath of air. I believe the November 1 starting date 
for practice goes into effect this year.
From: wollum@dryer.ecn.purdue.edu (pack backer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:47:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr7.133540.6358@ncsu.edu> sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia) writes:
>It's now official.  There has been a changing of the guard in college
>basketball: Duke is now the best program in the land, head and shoulders above 
>the rest.  The Blue Devils remarkable success has now relegated, IMHO, Dean
>Smith, the inimitable Deano-meister, to the role of second-best coach in the
>ACC, much less the nation.

Congrats Duke, but what do you mean "now relegated"?  I've always
thought that Dean's team has been one of the (perenially) most
overrated teams.

>
>Congrats to the 1991-92 Duke Blue Devil's, the greatest college team in the 
>history of the ACC (yes, better than 81-82 Tarheels or 73-75 WolfPack!).
>
I'd still bet on 73-75 Pack.
>Sanjeev
>
>P.S. Dov, does this mean you're gonna start a FOURPEAT sig?

Mark
North Carolina State University Class of 1990
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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:15:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Apr10.184028.6292@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
}} 
}} I am short, heavy-set, and relatively clumsy on my feet, which translates
}} to bad on defense and bad at moving towards the basket.  I am a pretty bad
}} ballhandler, too.  I can rebound OK, actually pretty well for my height.
}} Once in a while at get into a hot streak shooting the ball, but doesn't
}} everyone?

Let's see.  I'm short (well, average height, maybe), and wide, plus
carrying about 25 extra pounds.  I am a good ball-handler, and the
best part of my game is passing.  I am also a decent defender.  I have
Bill Robinson's vertical, and a jump shot that would make Tony Jones
or Mark Baker wince (i.e. it's flat, but it goes in more often than
physics allows; don't ask me how).  Oh, I also have an uncanny ability
to miss layups on a fast break.  I'm talking, out alone by myself,
nothing to worry about, *ack* *oomph* shots.

Don't ask about speed, I don't have any.  Quickness, yes, speed, no.

}} Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

sjc@cs.purdue.edu             Steve Chapin             Today's Grammar Lesson:
                     Those two want to go to the zoo, too!
                  They're aware bears bare their hair there.

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Kentucky Stuff
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:27:08 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

 Final word on UK recruits: they appear to be fine with a couple of
 surprises. First, if forced to choose between Walter McCarty and
 Roderick Rhodes (because of their Prop 48 problems) it is not entirely
 clear which one UK would have chosen. McCarty, while certainly no
 sleeper, is a genuine athlete and extremely fast for a man 6' 9"
 tall. The Herald-Leader had him running a respectable time for the
 800 meters for his high school track team. The second real surprise
 among the recruits is Jared Prickett. He averaged a triple double for
 his West Virginia team. Suspect competition? Maybe, but it shows you
 a man with a nose for the game.

 Simple summary

 Roderick Rhodes, 6' 7", 23 pts, 11 rbs, 4 blks, 4 stls. All time leading
                 scorer at St Anthony's, fabled haunt of Hurleys et. alia.

 Walter McCarty, 6' 9", 22 pts, 10 rbs, 4 blks. Finished 2nd for Indiana
                 Mr Basketball. Skinny as a bean pole -- to coin a phrase.

 Jared Prickett  6'8", 20 pts, 14 rbs, 10 assts. Supposedly a straight-up
                 Deron Feldhaus type forward. Pitino has said that Feldhaus
                 will be the toughest player to replace...huh?...but 
                 Prickett will give it a shot.

 Tony Delk       6'2", 38 pts, led team in rebounds, steals, and blocked
                 shots. Led Tennessee in scoring for 2nd straight year.
                 Obviously this man is either a fine shot or he carries
                 a gun during games. Will not be confused with the Arnold
                 when he walks on court at UK the first time. 6' 2" and
                 135 lbs. (Just joking.) He sounds like a pure 2 guard
                 but with his height I'm sure Pitino will look at him
                 (maybe for 12 seconds) at point.

 Other Ky news. (Non-Kentucky fans hit "n" now)

 The Herald-Leader just won its 2nd Pulitzer in about 4 years for a series
 about domestic violence. If you've been gone from Lexington for more
 than 10 years you wouldn't believe the transformation: no more anagrams
 in the lead, no more mismatched photos and captions, no more duplicated
 paragraphs. Still a tad dipsy-doodle on the editorial page, but Bill
 Bishop has a fine Mountain Eagle gad-fly column a couple of times a week.

 Another Pulitzer -- in drama -- went for a series of plays about the
 Kentucky mountains. Partly inspired by the saintly Harry Caudill's
 book "Night Comes to the Cumberlands."

 The Kentucky Theater re-opened Saturday after 5 years of desuetude.
-- 
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You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
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From: saji@snert.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Subject: Re: Bearcat's next year
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:18:47 GMT



In article <1992Apr6.123753.1043@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, raines@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
|>
|> Players that were redshirted this year and who should contribute are:
|> Curtis Bostic 6-5 F a sophmore, and John Jacobs 6-7 F a freshman.  Also, the
|> Bearcats have LaZelle Durden 6-3 G, a prop48 freshman out of Toledo if he
|>

    I have seen Bostic and John Jacobs in practice this year. Bostic looks 
   much better than he did a year back. He still has his rebounding skills and
   he has also developed an outside shot. I have seen this guy miss field goals
   from 5-6 feet. But now he can shoot the 3 point shot as well as any guard on
   the team. John Jacobs will give Cincinnati that much needed height (alongwith
   other recruits). But he has to lose some serious weight. If he loses around
   20-25 pounds  he will be an explosive player. Keith Gregor (Lakota High,OH)
   looked pretty good in the State(Oh) championship final game. He has some good
   ball handling skills. 

        I guess we can hope to see a similar kind of season next year with UC 
   playing same kind of 'D' and having an added inside game. The only question 
   is will there be anybody to step into Buford's shoes and take the leadership
   role on the court.



   Thanks UC for the Great 1991-92 Season. Let's see some more banners in the
   Shoe.


   Sandeep Aji.


   GO Michigan ... let's see Duke .. Puke.


 
   



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From: db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Freshman talent in the Final Four
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:26:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: termite.702574000
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <BILLMS.92Apr2095751@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

>	2 - rose and webber were bought by bringing in rose's high school
>	    coach, who webber *really* wanted to play for in high school, to
>	    be the new assistant
>
>I'd say that the jury is still out on Fisher as a recruiter.

Case 2 above is standard practice. How do you think Danny Ferry's
high school coach got to be an assistant at Duke?



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From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: trivia
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:15:33 GMT
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Distribution: rec
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr1.1533.8656@execnet> "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com> writes:
>On 3/31/92 I posted the question, "What state has had at least 5 state
>schools win NCAA tournament games in the last ten years?".
>
>
>
>
>A: Tennesee with Tennesee, Memphis St, Middle Tenn St, E Tenn St, and 
>   Austin Peay.
>
>I should add that if you don't count this years tournament,(in the 10 yr count)
>Tenn-Chattanooga replaces E. Tenn St. (Tenn-Chattanooga won in 1982)
>
>I wrote that I could not think of another state with more than 3 to compare to
>Tennesee's 5.  Wes Morgan pointed out that Kentucky has 4, Kentucky, Murray St,
>Western Kentucky, and Louisville. A fifth possible qualifier from Kentucky,
>was Morehead St, but I don't think they count because they only won a couple
>of "play in games" in the mid 80's. (Similar to the play in games held last
>year which included St Francis over Fordham)
>
>Rechecking has revealed that Texas, Virginia, California, Alabama, and Louisiana
>also have 4 such state schools.
>
>TX- Texas, Houston, UTEP, and Lamar
>LA- LSU, New Orleans, SW Louisiana, and La. Tech(I thought La. Tech was private)
>VA- Virginia, Old Dominion, VCU, and James Madison
>CA- UCLA, California, Fresno St, and UCSB
>AL- Alabama, UAB, Aurburn, and So. Alabama.
>
>                               Al

   Did Central Michigan win a game when Dan Marjle (sp?) was there?
(UM, MSU, and EMU have all won games).




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From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Trivia
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:32:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr12.013219.24224
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.


Two questions: Which schools have ever had athletes taken first in two diff
major sport drafts?

Second question Which school has had a basketball player as the first player
taken in two differnt major sports drafts (not the same sport) ?

Roy
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