HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re:C&R Bowfishing
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:35:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

I too, find the practice of shooting fish with an
arrow distasteful, though I'm sure it's challeng-
ing I think the name 'bowfishing' is a misnomer.
To me it's more 'fish hunting'. As far as C&R
goes, isn't it kind of like shooting a deer in
the leg to wound it, rather than kill it ? All
things considered I'd prefer seeing them thrown on
the bank. Otherwise I would think the wound could
invite bacteria and disease which could be spread
to healthy fish wouldn't it ?

To get back to fishing, anyone looking for a good
but cheap saltwater fly reel ought to check out the
Martin MG71SS. I got one a few weeks ago ($80) and
have managed to give it a good workout. For the
price the drag system is fantastic, it's very well
built and holds a decent amount of backing (225 yds
with a WF9I). On the down side, the reel foot is
a little long for some seats. 

                              jc in me.
From: glenn@hplred.HP.COM (Ed Glenn)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:32:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Bluegill Recipe
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing

    Fillet until free of all bones. Grease
    a casserole dish. Pour enough Italian
    dressing to wet dish. Shake fillets in
    ziplock bag with more dressing, drain,
    layer in dish and refrigerate several
    hours. Bake at 325 degrees about 20 to
    40 mins. according to depth of fillets.
    If desired, top with seasoned bread crumbs
    or grated Parmasan cheese.
	Simple, easy, and delicious. Enjoy.
    Works well with sole or crappie, too.	
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Ancient Forest, SALMON ALERT
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:54:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Jul24.191411.16466@ole.cdac.com> Sue D. Nimh writes:
|In article <1992Jul24.021530.3349@synapse.bms.com> venard@bms.com writes:
|>In article <1992Jul23.183152.1835@ico.isc.com>, carnes@ico.isc.com
(Steve Carnes) writes:
|>>	teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
|>>>
|>>>...Japan can easily crown itself
|>>>the "emperor of exploiters." The same drive that motivates them to
|>... stuff deleted ...
|>>
|>>What, no smiley face?  I think you'd better don your best flameproof
|>>protection, for these sweeping racist generalities are not going to
|>>set well with Internet folks.
|>
|>I'm an Internet folk, not a racist, and I have no problem with the
|>observation in question.
|
|  I am also an Internet folk.  Not a racist, and I too have no problem
|with similar observations in question....
|
|This holier-than-thou shit........

The gentleman's comments and observations are protected by the US Constitution.
Actually what is amusing is that the Emperor or Japan is an ic.*ogist
(fish expert).  I mean if some one had real guts they would post heavy
comments to soc.culture.japan or soc.culture.asian.american.  But then
those newsgroups have already hashed thru this before, and they would
probably just ignore such comments as another crank.

"I am the business." -- Blade Runner

Reference to generalities follows.
Carry on.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
"Quick! Kimo Sabe! The music is starting, the music is starting!" -- G. Larson
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: BOWFISHING IN TEXAS!
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:37:39 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


 I am an avid BOWFISHER in the East Texas area and would like to shoot the bull
about my sport. I am a student at SFA but live in TYLER,TEXAS where I do most
of my fishing. I mainly fish on Lk Palestine,Lk Tyler,Lk Hawkins and the Sabine
river. I am a member of the Texas Bowfishing Assoc. I shoot a York-70 lb
recurve and a Shakespeare 45 lb recurve both with AMS Retrievers and 400lb
Fastflight. My current boat is a 14 ft semi-v with coleman 2250 watt generator 
and four 300 watt halogen floodlights. I use a mincota 28lb trolling motor and
I recently burried my motor which was a 20 hp Chrysler may it rest in hell...
Therefore I am limited to fishing areas that I can troll around and to. However
if anyone is in the the tyler area on the wkends I would be glad to put them on
some fish or shoot the bull. my  M-F # 409-564-2488,my wkend number is 903-
769-4704.                SHOOT DRUM NOT DRUGS!    


                                      DAVID HANSON
                                      RT.2 Box 289
                                      Hawkins,Texas 75765  

I would appreciate any messages pro or con!
Xref: sparky alt.fishing:2772 rec.backcountry:5516
From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Ancient Forest, SALMON ALERT
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:12:28 GMT
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

>beautiful rainforests of the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia are
>raped to make--DISPOSABLE CHOPSTICKS!!!

Also, to make plywood forms for molding concrete in soulless modern
skyscrapers.  The forms are discarded generally after a single use.
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: WD-40
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:07:16 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <1831.25.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP> bill.garrison@cccbbs.UUCP (Bill Garrison) writes:
>TO:ALL
>
>
>I was at the pay lake the other day and when I was leaving I saw
>this young boy sprayed WD-40 on his Night Crawler. I ask him if
>this works? He told me it works most of the time.
>
>Has anyone heard of this before?
>
>Bill

Yes - WD-40 even ran advertisments for a while asking for verifyable "fish
stories" about WD-40 on bait catches. I've never tried it but HAVE heard

on more than a few occasions about spraying WD-40 on bait (shiners) for
salmon and/or lakers. Charley White has a video out called "Salmon
Spectacular" (F A N T A S T I C   V I D E O  !) one segment shows a "clean"
bait fished next to a bait that's been soaked in "bilge water" (a very
nasty mess of fuel, oil, slime etc. etc.) and the salmon whack the "bilge
bait" EVERY time..........


See the video - it's a definate must-see for any fishingadict......
--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: RE DOUGH BAIT-CARP
From: csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:16:34 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Scott,
      Although not a catfish specialist,I do know about carp.You 
can always use the wheaties and Big Red standby-or recipees can 
be found in occasional magazine articles.Personally I have mixed 
the big red/wheaties dough with store bought stuff and had luck.
Magic Bait and I believe Power Bait also has dough Bait. Best Stick
with heavier lines 17lb + I use 30 lb. personally.Lakes seem to 
be the best or below the spillways of lake with a large dam. There
are alot of fish that will eat the bait:carp ,bufflo,cats. There
are some big carp here in Texas- I hhave shot a 28, 20,  26 lber 
this year bowfishing ,plus a 52 lb buffalo. Good Luck, David

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: llau@bmerh925.BNR.CA (Louie Lau)
Subject: Portland, Oregon
Reply-To: llau@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:37:11 GMT

 

I will be at Portland, Oregon this August for a conference and
I will have couple free days.  I am looking for fishing 
information around the Portland area for both salt water
and fresh water.  I am also trying to get information on
salt water party boats which you can purchase individual
ticket for a half day or one day trip.  Any information is 
welcome.



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Louie Lau                   | PHONE: (613) 765-2311         	
Bell-Northern Research      | BITNET: llau@bnr.ca    			
P.O. Box 3511, Stn. C       |
Ottawa, ON K1Y 4H7, CANADA  |
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From: stripes@eb5ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Oldest Bass Club...
Date: 30 Jul 1992 19:12:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: stripes@eb5ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts1.ebay.sun.com

 Quick, where is the oldest bass club in America?

	Most might say Kentucky, Florida or North Carolina,
	or even Texas. Would you belive the oldest bass club
	is in Washington state? It's true.

 	 Founded in 1938, the Western Bass Club is the oldest
	bass club in the nation. Although there was one thing
	missing when the club was developed: bass.
	That was an easy fix for founder Ed Fredrich. In 1939,
	the club members bought a truckload of 6 inch fingerling
	bass and distributed them to various waters in the area.
	Bass caught today in Lake Sammamish, for instance are
	descendents of the first bass plant in the state.

-Greg
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: verifying a big catch
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.185924.14508@unislc.uucp> dlw@unislc.uucp (David Williams) writes:
>From article <1992Jul18.073209.14104@muddcs.claremont.edu>, by jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim):
>> 
>> If you just want a guesstimate of the weight, there's a nifty
>> formula that gives a good approximation and requires you 
>> only measure the length and girth (I think).  Somebody here
>> aught to remember it.
>> 
>
>> -- 
>> John H. Kim                 | (This space to be filled when I
>> jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever 
>> uunet!jarthur!jokim         | to use as a disclaimer)
>
>I still have this sitting around from the last time I saw it posted.
>Hope this is what you wanted.
>I left the origial posters name in so you can thank him too.
>
>Dave
>
>++++++
>From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
>Subject: Re: Sizing those Catch-and-Release monsters.
>Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
>
>
>   As per 'the In-Fisherman' November '91 - Page 14 
>
>
>         Length x Length x Length
>         ------------------------
>                denominator
>
>
>    denominator;
>
>                  1200        -    Bluegill
>                      1250    -    Crappie
>                      1400    -    White Bass
>                  1600        -    Bass
>                      2000    -    Catfish
>                  2700        -    Walleye ('Stream' Trout, Perch)
>                  3500        -    Pike
>
>    Determine the denominator for other species based on body-type;
>                         White (calico) Bass between Bluegill and 'Bass'
>                         'Stream' Trout and Perch the same as Walleye
>
>                    (a picture's worth a thousand words).
>
>    'Adjust your final calculation up or down, given the condition
>(skinny, average, fat) of the fish.'
>++++++
>-- 
> David Williams 
> Unisys Corp.
> dlw@unislc.slc.unisys.com 

Any numbers for saltwater species?


-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim Dudley)
Subject: Re: Alaska
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:01:14 GMT

In article <16874@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig)
writes:
>I'm goin' to Alaska the end of this month for 3 weeks. (eat yer 
>gills out ;-)  Anyway, I'll be in a cabin in the Cugach Mtns. outside
>of Seward for 6 days and nothin' 2 do but fish!  Anybody got any
>suggestions on what to use? (besides a rod n reel >:-(
>
>Any other good places to go?  Ocean shore fishin'?  etc...
>
>TANKS
>Rick
>

AAAHHHHHRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
                                     
                                     
                        (that's me, eating my gills out!!)



Tim      :-)




Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Results (unofficial) on rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:41:32 GMT

Well, I'm obligated to say this is unofficial, but I ran the vote,
so my numbers 'should' be ok.  The official RESULT post should
arrive here in a day or two.  Anyway, the good news is that
rec.outdoors.fishing appears to have passed with a vote of
245:29 (YES:NO).  It's open for challange...for 5 days anyway,
but I doubt anybody's counting is going to be much different from
mine.  Expect to see the new newsgroup appear by the end
of the second week of August...at the latest.  At that time, I'll
begin posting every couple of days to this newsgroups suggesting
that everyone quit posting to alt.fishing (no cross-posting too) so
that the main-stream of people using this newsgroup will switch...and
the people who can't get alt.fishing can FINALLY start participating
in the discussions.  Thanks ahead of time for your cooperation in
this effort.  The passing vote above indicates very high support for
the change from alt.fishing to rec.outdoors.fishing, since the RFD
made clear mention of this strategy for allowing more people to
participate.

YYYYEEEEEeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!  It only took 2 1/2 months!!!

Brian Dixon
dixon@spot.colorado.edu


-- 
===========================================================================
| Brian Dixon              | "Good judgement comes from experience...     |
| dixon@spot.colorado.edu  |    and experience comes from bad judgement!" |
===========================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:53:03 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

>
>Well, since I am starting rec.outdoors.fishing, I 'could' post a FAQ
>once in awhile...other than refreshing people on the charter, what did
>you have in mind?  "alt.fishing" hasn't ever had a FAQ posted, so is
>there really a need?
>
>Brian D.
>
>-- 
I think an FAQ would be a good idea and would eliminate a lot of redundant
network traffic. 

Newsgroups: alt.fishing,rec.backcountry
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: Re: Ancient Forest, SALMON ALERT
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:31:52 GMT

	teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima) writes:
>
>...Japan can easily crown itself
>the "emperor of exploiters." The same drive that motivates them to
>build all the popular cars and electronics is the same drive that
>motivated them to spear jiggling brown babies and force Korean women
>into prostitution ("comfort women") during WWII. There is nothing
>different in their attitudes about exploiting others for their own
>development. Hawaii has been victim to its overzealousness, as well.

What, no smiley face?  I think you'd better don your best flameproof
protection, for these sweeping racist generalities are not going to
set well with Internet folks.
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
Newsgroups: alt.newbies,talk.bizarre
From: baby@info.polymtl.ca (Philippe Grant)
Subject: Re: newbies
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:35:28 GMT


In article <1992Jul30.202232.25288@cs.ucla.edu> jperry@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (John Perry) writes:
>   In article <1992Jul30.030422.9292@doug.cae.wisc.edu> carl@cae.wisc.edu (Carl Peterson) writes:
>   >
>   >    Is there where I post to get help on my signature thingy
>   >and other UNIX things like editors and vi stuff?
>   >
>   >
>   Loser

A**hole.

Did you just learn how to use "rn" ?

That was quite a feat.

To newbies:

	Feel free to post questions about vi, emacs, x-windows, UN*X
	commands, etc etc etc.  I will answer gladly.

To a**holes:

	Limit your flames to e-mail.  I won't reply to any posted here.



--
Philippe Grant                     | If it ain't broke,
Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal    | DON'T FIX IT!!!
baby@info.polymtl.ca               | Including this signature!
Xref: sparky alt.newbies:1 talk.bizarre:24021
From: jperry@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (John Perry)
Newsgroups: alt.newbies,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: newbies
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:22:32 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department

In article <1992Jul30.030422.9292@doug.cae.wisc.edu> carl@cae.wisc.edu (Carl Peterson) writes:
>
>    Is there where I post to get help on my signature thingy
>and other UNIX things like editors and vi stuff?
>
>
Loser




-- 

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From: mfinn@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mai-Ly Finn)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: olympic warm-up jacket
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:49:12 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <Jul.27.00.41.58.1992.1538@steely.rutgers.edu> mscott@steely.rutgers.edu (mscott) writes:
>does anyone know where to find the warm-up jackets,
>worn by the american gymnastic coaches, for sale?
>
>while watching the olympics with my family this evening,
>my sister commented that she liked them and wondered if there
>is a way to get one.  i'd like to try and get one for her.

They're made by Reebok, and I think they're being sold at JCPenney stores.
JCPenney had ads aired saying that they're selling the clothes worn by the
US athletes.
From: whitesox@spuddy.uucp (Susy Dowell)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Girls' sox
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:25:50 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

I'm writing this to get suggestions and ideas.  I'm currently doing some
work on a school project during the holidays on fashion.  I'm trying to find
out about girls' sox.  There is a long history of girls wearing different
hoisiary to women.  Initially, mothers dress their daughters in their own
choice, but later the girls themselves decide.  Fashions change quickly,
e.g. at the moment white slouch sox are popular.  Why is there a separate
fashion, how does it get spread across the world?  Of  all the colours
available, why do most girls wear white?  Is it just tradition, fashion or
good to wear them?

I'd like to hear opinions and information.  There's little discussed about
this in conventional magazines or books.  Is it a subject not allowed for
discussion?

Thanks
Susy Dowell

-- 

 * Meeeow ! Call Spuddy on (0203) 638780/638693 for FREE mail & Usenet access *
Xref: sparky alt.fashion:126 rec.sport.olympics:978
From: mscott@steely.rutgers.edu (mscott)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: olympic warm-up jacket
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:41:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fashion
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill NJ

does anyone know where to find the warm-up jackets,
worn by the american gymnastic coaches, for sale?

while watching the olympics with my family this evening,
my sister commented that she liked them and wondered if there
is a way to get one.  i'd like to try and get one for her.
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: lables
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:46:57 EDT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

ufm2t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Usman Malik) writes:

> In article <1992Jul20.055420.8702@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rspillan@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (
> >Anyone know a good place to have lables made?
> >
> >I want something 2"x2", possibly multi-colored. 
> 
> What does this have to do with fashion?

Uh -- I think she's referring to labels that get attached to articles of 
clothing, and if she's in the business of fashion marketing then I could 
only assume that this is indeed related to fashion.  :-)

----------------------------------------------------
frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: rare material color
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.222703.9588@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> ajauregu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anita Jauregui) writes:
>
>it`s rare when they get the right shade.  Is there any way I can make sure
>I get what I want?  Is there a store, company or a catalog thar specializes in 
>rare colors or who will take special orders and will it be much more 
>expensive?  Or is there maybe someone who can dye the material my exact shade?
>
>
>Any info is appreciated.
> 

I can't help with your above questions, but once you have your dress 
situation taken care of and you then go for the shoes you may have another
problem getting them to match the dress.  So I thought maybe you'd be
interested in a a process for covering shoes out of the same material
as the dresses. 

I teach a procedure that elimates having to find just the right color to
match a dress or outfit.  It is very simple and you don't have to know
how to sew.  It's just a matter of cut and paste. It is very popular
for bridesmaids, mother of the groom/bride, etc.

My husband and I vacation once a year by taking a Caribbean Cruise.
Many people have seen the finish product and have wanted to learn.  
However, it was not convenient for them to take my class (They live
in different parts of the country). 

So after many requests, I will be producing a video tape this Sat.7/25
on the process of taking old or new shoes and covering them to match or
compliment a dress or outfit. 

If this is something that you'd be interested in I can be reached      
during the day at 408-944-7749, in the evening 408-248-7087 or email
fran@Cadence.com.  Also have Prodigy at home but can't remember my
i.d. off hand.  But I will be in the Prodigy memberlist by next week.

I'm also not the kind that sells the video and then says good luck
you're on your own.  I give my phone number so you can call and get
help just like a tech support line!!

I also cover shoes for others.  But that's more expensive than what
the video will sell for.  And it's kind of like the old saying,
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish,
and you feed him for a lifetime."

In any case, good luck with your wedding plans and all the happiness
in the world to you and your future husband.

Fran Peterson

F [:)
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: How are hat sizes measured?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:51:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


That is, can you measure around a person's head and translate what you
get into a hat size?
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle