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From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The First Duty"
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:12:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.001430.13295@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu
(Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>Now, some short takes:
>
>--I absolutely adored that SFA logo Okuda and Sternbach put right before the 
>navigational tape played.  It's the sort of thing that will be on jackets in 
>six months, I assure you--but it also looked fantastic.  ("Scientia ex 
>astra"--knowledge out of the stars.  Ahh.)  And now that they've decided the 
>Federation was founded in 2161, I notice the staffers are putting that date 
>in wherever they get a chance.  :-)

Actually, in the Novelties section of the new Advanced Comics (last week's) 
there were several buttons and other paraphernalia that featured almost 
every new logo seen in this episode. If you were to order these items today 
you'd probably get them in 3 - 6 months. Good call!

>--I'm trying to figure out exactly what school "the game against Minsk" 
>referred to.  Is there another campus for the Academy, or is this a 
>completely different *type* of school?  Any ideas?

There are probably several Academy campuses. The logo for the campus seen 
in First Duty was for San Francisco. The triangular logo, with the rising or
setting sun under the Golden Gate bridge, reads "Starfleet Academy - San 
Francisco - Sol Sector" which implies that there are other campuses in other
sectors, maybe even other cities on Earth (like Minsk).

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov

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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: SPOILING "Cause/Effect" [ltc]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:45:58 GMT

Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:

>In article <1992Mar25.004825.993@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:
>Possible spoiler:
>
>>
>>FINAL CUTESIE COMMENT:
>>
>>* Boy, it's a good thing LaForge wasn't the one who suggested the shuttle
>>  bay maneuver.  No matter how well one stacks the deck, it's awfully hard
>>  to deal everybody a 2.5...

>I saw the episode again yesterday and noticed that Data has 2.5 pips and
>not three.  Although, I feel that they fact that they are on his own
>collar rule out any chance he might see his own pips (even though he has
>2.5, as I observed).  He is not the same rank as Riker.  Data is a Lt.
>Cmdr, Riker is a Cmdr, I believe.

Uh...so?  LaForge is also a Lieutenant Commander, and thus has two full and
one hollow pip, hence my (admittedly not all that funny) joke.
--------
Captain Frank A. Lauro          Commanding Officer       University of Illinois
fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       USS ALEXA NCC 1764-D     Urbana-Champaign
--------
"What happened to your hair?"
 -- Boothby (Ray Walston) to Picard, TNG: "The First Duty"
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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: First Duty - What about EM sensors? *SPOILERS*
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:59:42 GMT

jjm3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Joseph Martino) writes:
 > What's wrong with this:
 > 
 >  A. News of the Nova Squadron incident reaches StarFleet quickly
 >  B. Within a couple of minutes StarFleet dispatches a ship or ships to
 >      warp to a distance a few light-minutes from the position of
 >      the accident and record the event, in the electromagnetic spectrum.
 > 
 > Would this seem to you a good standard procedure for such incidents, too?

Good point.  Time warp would work too, and they've known how to
do that since Kirk's time.

Personally, I found it difficult to believe that a ground station
wasn't tracking them all the time.  If they are using transporters for
an emergency escape, surely they aren't going to wait while someone on
the ground locks on to them.  Having the ships locked onto the ground
station won't do, since a malfunctioning/exploding ship isn't a good
transporter.

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From: rsavoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
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Subject: Re: Boothby and Picard: TFD
Keywords: TFD
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:41:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.2041
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr8.173140.25324@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, heather@hub.toronto.edu (Heather Hinton) writes:
> In `The Game', when Wes returns to the Enterprise, there is a
> wonderfully heart-warming (read: stomach-churning) scene where Wes and
> Picard discuss the academy.  Picard had told Wes to introduce himself to
> Boothby on an earlier epsiode, and then in `The Game' asks how Boothby
> is doing.  
> 
> Doesn't Wesley reply that Boothby didn't remember who Picard was?  If
> so, how come Boothby suddenly is able to recognize Picard and list all
> his accomplishments?  What gives?
> 



I think Wesley showed him a picture of Picard and that jogged the
memory.
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG Upcoming Episodes Spoiler info from JSL on CIS.
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:57:22 GMT

kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.192348.13222@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>>>>Spoilers ho!



>>>>>THE INNER LIGHT: Picard is knocked out by an alien probe, and when he 
>>>>>awakens he is in a different reality, created by his mind.  Different 
>>>>>than any other episode they've done to date, Picard deals with his entire 
>>>>>life while only a few minutes go by back in reality.  
>>>>
>>>>That *does* sound different.  Neat.  This has a lot of potential.
>>
>>>It also sounds like another "actor's conceit" 
>>
>>"I, Claudius" could be viewed as just such a conceit in a particular light.
>>Your point?  :-)

>It's my peeve of the season; gratuitous casting seems to have come up a 
>little too often on TNG as of late, IMO: this looks like a whole episode 
>devoted to it (you *do* know who's starring on the episode, right?)

That's not what I thought you meant by "actor's conceit".  I figured you 
meant your usual peeve of "oh, another product designed solely to show off
'great acting'".  You've griped about that enough times that I figured it's
what you meant.  A better word for what you're talking about would be
straight nepotism, yes?  :-)

And sure, I know Daniel Stewart's in it.  At the moment, it's no big deal.
If he's half the actor his old man is, he could be playing a giant turnip
and probably do it well.

Tim Lynch
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Asimov's cameo lost, too : -(
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:41:19 GMT

cs201139@batman.acslab.umbc.edu (cs201139) writes:

>>Shame on the TNG staff for not following thru on the script that
>>had Data talking to a holographic Asimov on the holodeck...
>>
>>No way to do that one now   :-(

Sigh.  No.

>If they really needed to do it maybe
>have someone play him. That may be a slap in the face though. Would Asimov
>have done it if they did want to do it? 

Extremely unlikely.  From all I've read, he'd never been much for acting,
and he *never* liked flying.  The odds of getting him out to LA for a shoot
would have been downright close to zero.

Tim Lynch (Cornell's first Astronomy B.A.; one of many Caltech grad students)
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Subject: Re: TROI'S BIG BUTT
From: <AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 10:39:30 MST
Organization: Arizona State University

I disagree that Troi's butt is too large. .  I think that she is just big
boned, and has major hips. (Reminds me of Chun Li on Street Fighter II, but
that is a different news group)

I still think Marina Sirtis got hired for her looks, and she is still pretty
hot looking now. .

I wish Riker would stick with her instead of falling in love with those
'sexless' aliens, or any other chic.  Riker and Troi were meant to be
to gether.  Besides,  Betazoids increase their sexdrive by as much as
four times when they reach menopause. . .(I just SAW episode with
Troi's mom going after Picard)

hmmm this article sounds like it should be in ALT.SEX rather than here. .
Oh well

Jeremy
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From: quenelle@netcom.com (Chris Quenelle)
Subject: Re: Picard's Shirt
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 23:59:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

elw@mayo.edu (Ellis Workman) writes:
>Why is Picard always tugging at his shirt (jersey, ??).  He does it when 
>he stands up or sits down.

The shirt/jersey has an elastic waistband.  I've had several shirts
with elastic waistbands (Including a NextGen jersey -- thanks Gwen)
and they all tend to ride up if you move your arms at all.

young@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (R. Michael Young) writes:
>The current uniforms are designed very stranglely.  The sleeves are
>attached to the torso well below the armpit, so even the slightest
>amount of raising the arms outward will lift up the torso and cause
>the lycra band around bottom of the shirt to slide up.

I don't think this is so.  The one I have seems put together normally enough.

>The pants are designed to allow for this by making the top of the
>pants end just below the ribs rather than down at the waist.  That way
>nothing's exposed when the shirt pulls up.

I've heard that contemporary military dress uniforms have similar
high-top pants.  For similar reasons ?  I don't know.


--chris
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From: rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe)
Subject: Re: Cause and Effect and Yesterday's Enterprise...
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:58:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr01.211607.16532@orionsci> goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>In article <1992Mar30.212452.7203@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> dabachma@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Donald A Bachman) writes:
>>WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>
>>
>>>In article <qtoouINNrk@agate.berkeley.edu>, cascio@garnet.berkeley.edu () says:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did anyone suppose that the timeline of TNG changed as a result of
>>>>the Boseman coming through the time warp?
>>>>
>>>>I mean, the last time a ship from the past came into the TNG present,
>>>>all hell broke loose-- radical changes aplenty. This was, of course,
>>>>due to the E-C being critical to the current time path. We have no
>>>>way of knowing whether the Boseman or Cap'n Frazier ever did anything
>>>>important subsequent to the point of disappearance... but it _is_
>>>>both a TNG and TOS rule that something from the past moved into the
>>>>future can really Mess Things Up (c).
>>>>
>>>>So the question for the crowd is: was the timeline for TNG up to
>>>>the Cause and Effect episode based on the Boseman staying in its
>>>>own time (therefore the past has changed therefore the timeline
>>>>has changed) or was the timeline for TNG based on the Boseman
>>>>coming into the present? Can we ever know? Does it really matter?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jamais Cascio
>>
>>>The Boseman probably had an unimpressive mission and so didn't have a pivotal
>>>role that influenced the UFT universe and opened up a whole new can of worms.
>>>However I know where you're coming from about the Boseman.  Who can say?
>>>Bad writing?
>>
>>	Nope, the Boseman did not come through a warp between its time and that
>>of the Enterprise, it looped for eighty years. One imagines that the Boseman
>>comming out of the rent in space is where/when the Enterprise encounters it
>>in its orbit(???) in the loop.-- 
>
>If it was caught in a loop, then shouldn't it have been in its own little
>Universe or something similar? How could the big E break into its loop?
>
>And why would the loop continue until the Enterprise managed to avoid the
>collision?  Why should a minor event like that end the loop?
>Every post I've seen that states the Bozeman looped for 80 years has 
>neglected to answer this key question.
>
	The Bozeman was not looping for 80 years, only 17.4 days just like
the E-D, while the E-D repeated 12 or 15 hours or whatever the Bozeman
probably repeated only 40 seconds + or -.  It just happened to have bypassed 
80 years during 1 or 2 of those seconds.  The E-D was not sucked into a loop
created by the Bozeman but created the loop itself when it exploded after
contact.  Its all a matter of synchronicity the E-D was just in the wrong
place at the wrong time.  BTW anyone notice that anytime the E-D ecounters a
temporal rift the antimatter dumping circuits fail?
							-Bob
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
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Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers for "The First Duty")
Date: 6 Apr 92 00:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A Bunch of People Argue:




>>|>	It almost seems that Lacarno's character is modelled after James
>>|>    Kirk.
> 
>>|     Agreed here.  That's why I'm having so much trouble seeing why
>>|     a lot of posters are panning Locarno.  He's obviously the
>>|     fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants type that Kirk embodies and TNG's
>>|     take on the character very clearly says, "This is what happens
>>|     to these type's when something goes wrong." 
> 
>I seem to remember in the first season a time when Geordi was in command of the
>Enterprise, with soem super weapons chasing him.  What did he do? He took the 
>ship into the atmosphere!

     "Arsenal of Freedom"

> or even Picard.  When a kid had stolen a shuttlecraft
>(the time he was being 'investigated' he told the kid to bounce it of the
>atmosphere. That isn't by the seat of his pants? He could have killed the kid

     "Coming of Age"

>So Geordi and Picard are bad people too because they flew by the seat of their
>pants and could have either killed a kid or even destroyed an entire ship i

     I don't think I get your point.  In both those cases, there was no
     other choice.  Who was holding a gun to Kirk's head saying, "Cheat
     on the Kobyashi Maru test.  Do it, man, or I'll splatter your
     fucking brains on the transporter pad!"  Likewise, no one forced
     Locarno to attempt the Culvort Starburst.

     And I don't think anyone is saying Kirk was a "bad person" for
     his seat-of-the-pants, go-with-the-hunch personality.  Just very
     very, very lucky.  Too lucky.  Unrealistically lucky.  

     I think Locarno is simply a more realistic, if tragic, take on
     Kirk's type of character.

     Scott Gorcey
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes (was Re: Boseman and Canon)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:42:01 GMT

In article <83654@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>>2)  Don't hold your breath for a mirror-TNG episode; it won't happen.  
>
>The author of the original `Mirror, Mirror' (Jerome Bixby?) has penned
>a TNG sequel entitled `Broken Mirror'.  The producers deemed this too
>expensive to film, for TV anyway.  I hoping it becomes the first TNG
>movie!

Diane Duane is also writing a "Mirror Universe" TNG novel.  I've heard
the title "Through a glass, darkly", but I don't know if this is final.


-- 
        Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche.
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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Promos for: COST OF LIVING (#220)
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:46:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon

dnadams@isis.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>
>Here is the promo copy for COST OF LIVING, announcer:
>
> A CLASH BETWEEN GENERATIONS...
>
>  [ Worf looking annoyed; Lwaxana talking closely with Alexander ]
>
>Alexander:  I hate him.

[...]

> BUT A PARASITE INVADES THE ENTERPRISE...

[...]

> ...AND WORF AND HIS SON ARE TRAPPED IN IT'S PATH OF DESTRUCTION.

[...]

> ...ON AN ALL NEW EPISODE OF STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.

Urg. This sounds just like every other Worf/Alexander plot previously shown,
and it reeks of "everything will be be completely resolved and tied
together in the last five minutes."  It's going to be hard to go into this
one with an open mind...


-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
From: liz@wpi.WPI.EDU (Evil Mistress of Power Suction)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I'VE CREATED A MONSTER !!
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:20:24 GMT
Organization: WPI - So much stress we`re giving it away

In article <92098.145625JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
> Although it wasn't what I originally had in mind, I will post
>at least another "W.C." (Europeans use the letters W.C. to mean
>"water closet" or toilet, which is where my "WORTHLESS COMMENTARY"
>really belong; there's gotta be something prophetic about the whole
>thing). 

Gee, you mean W.C. doesn't stand for Wesley Crusher?  Sounds pretty prophetic
to me.  :) :) :)

Someone had to say it...

						--Liz

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Subject: Re: Prime Vs Second D. (min. spoiler C&E)
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 18:19:17 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

psmoker@desire.wright.edu writes:

> In article <1992Mar27.155241.1886@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.co
> > A) No time - they didn't even have time to abandon ship
> > 
> The meeting where Data presented the clip of Picard ordering all hands
> to abandon ship was presented at a meeting that was called the night before
> the event happened. Between that meeting and the accident, they had time
> to rig a dekion filed transmitter to Data's brain, so they would have
> had more then ample time to go to the battle cruiser.

They also decided not to try and second guess themselves, and take no
unusual action until it was warranted.



[] ---
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[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
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Subject: Re: (Spoilers First Duty)
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:26:00 GMT
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From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: R-Node Public Access UNIX System (416-636-2026) - 24 hrs
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:09:19 GMT

>>As far as Kahn was concerned?? Where is he ignoring all warnings??
>
>Ohhh, I don't know...completely ignoring standard (and *sensible*) regulations
>involving ships that are coming towards you and silent running, not doing any-
>thing to safeguard the ship until the Reliant's shields were up *and* weapons
>were locked, and thus pummeling the ship.  You know, the error that caused 
>the damage that in the end, drove Spock to sacrifice himself.  That error.
>
I keep seeing people bashing Kirk for "not following standard procedure" in
TWOK. Yet I cannot found *any* evidence of such. Here is the entire exchange
during the raise shield or not scene:
 
<approaching by Reliant>
Savvik (To Kirk): Sir, may I quote general order 12. On the approach of
any vessels when communications has not been established.....
Spock (interrupted Savvik): Lieutantant, the admiral is well aware of the
regulations.
Savvik: Aye sir.
Kirk(To Spock): Is that possible that their comm system fair?
Spock: It would explain a great many thing.
Some exchange in Reliant. Enterprise request communication, they refused.
Kirk: This is damn peculiar. Yellow alert.
 
There is absolutely no mention one way or the order what "general order 12"
demands. Maybe Kirk did follow that order by going to yellow alert.





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From: cosc143u@rosie.uh.edu (91F9774)
Subject: Re: Yet another opinion on "The First Duty"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:42:00 GMT

In article <23187@life.ai.mit.edu>, mary@fresh-and-fruity.ai.mit.edu (Mary S. Lee) writes...
>*Spoilers* for "The First Duty"
>
>+ Picard.  Especially his scene with Wesley in the ready room.
>+ I thought Commander Albert (Joshua's father) was very well
>  portrayed.  Kudos to Lauter.
>+ Boothby.  From the episode's standpoint, he could have had
>  a more minor role, but I enjoyed his scenes with Picard and
>  I liked the continuity.

I would have liked Boothby as an Andorean but, regardless of that, I liked
the fact they kept him instead of forgetting him.

>+ the door handles
>- I found it hard to believe Wesley and the others would have
>  tried the maneuver in the first place.  Surely they would 
>  have been severely punished by the Academy even if they'd
>  succeeded?  If not, why not?  

I get the impression it would have happened *immediately* after they had 
successfully graduated.

>- the two female cadets were too insipid

Boy.. you are not kidding.  

>- (petty) If Joshua learned Calculus at close to the same age
>  as the child in "When the Bough Breaks", then he was very
>  young to get himself a private tutor etc.
> 
I don't think they have tutors.  I think they are taught calculus sooner.  
Calculus should be taught sooner.  My daughter is smart but not a genius or 
anything and she is picking up Calculus quite easily (simple integration, 
differentiation, limits).  She is ten years old.  We are selling our kids down
the river by not teaching them math earlier.  She really likes math in school
because she *already* knows it by the time they start teaching it.
---
Stephen McLeod
The Eternal Student
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