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From: lemieux@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (LEMIEUX  GUY GERARD)
Subject: Re: Anyone from IBM Canada reads this newsgroup ?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:27:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.023203.13445@cs.mcgill.ca> tennis@cs.mcgill.ca (Pascal Proulx) writes:
>The title almost says it all. If the answer is yes, PLEASE write to this

I used to work for IBM Canada about a year ago.  Does that count?
(I'm back in school now...).

>newsgroup to give the information you have on how IBM Canada has planned
>to release OS2 2.O in Canada :
>
>this information would apply to:
>
>   - date of release

NOW!  I have seen TWO copies in the UofT Computer shop on the shelf.  I
      wanted to buy it but the sales clerk said he couldn't sell it at the
      Windows upgrade price.  The shelf price was $179.00, but this could
      be a slightly educationally discounted price.  Typically the UofT
      Computer shop has higher prices than other campus store, so you may
      find it for less.

>   - upgrading policy (prices of upgrades)

$79.00 from Windows 3.0.  My roommate went up to the UofT Computer shop
a mere three hours after I did and found both copies SOLD!!!  He talked
to one of the head honchos who said that I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE WINDOWS
PRICE FROM THEM!!!!!  I hate incompetent sales clerks!  I had my hands on
GA but didn't buy it because of an incompetent clerk.  I have to wait
now for their next shipment.  (Why they only ordered 10 copies to start
with I'll never know).

>   - prices for the EE version
>   - BBS number in Canada
>   - toll-free number for information in Canada, etc...

Don't know.

>   - where to get OS2 2.O ?

Try your campus bookstore or computer shop--that will probably be quickest
and cheapest for you.  My roommate pounded all of the major computer stores
downtown today and couldn't find a single copy.

>THANKS A LOT !

No problemo.

PS:  What is the CS job market like in Montreal?  I need a summer job.
     Please send email in reply.

Guy Lemieux
lemieux@ecf.toronto.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: schafer@is.rice.edu (Richard Alan Schafer)
Subject: Where's the advertising?
Keywords: ads, failure
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:37:51 GMT

Where are the ads?  I open the paper this morning to several full-page
ads from Egghead talking about Windows 3.1.  The Wall Street Journal
has an entire *section* on Technology, which has a series of full-page
adds from Word Perfect, and *nothing* from IBM.  (At least the WP ads
mention OS/2 at times.)

The local office tells me that we won't see ads until the end of this week
or so!  Why?  Because they don't want to advertise until the product is
actually on the shelves in the stores, to keep from having people get
frustrated by going to the store and not finding the product.  Meanwhile
Microsoft has been trumpeting Windows is coming all over the place for days
now.

Richard
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: IBM!!! Please get it together!!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:53:20 GMT

In article <zbrj+8m.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>: Actually, Coherent runs on a 286 box, has preemptive multitasking,
>: gives a good facsimile of Unix, takes 6-10MB of disk space, and
>: costs $100.
>: 
>: Of course it doesn't have all those neat features OS/2 has like a
>: GUI, Windows and DOS emulation, application base, etc.
>
>And it actually compiles programs with data as big as *64k* bytes! Why in
>Dietys name they haven't fixed that?!  It's a cute toy though.
>

Linux is preemptive, and it costs nothing. It has 10 consoles, I guess.
But I think it's for hackers. OS/2 is much more useful for the general
public as the professionals. The only unknown thing is: the cost of the
development tools.
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University and The Jewish Theological Seminary, New York

In article <1992Apr9.154209.28162@unixg.ubc.ca> frank@unixg.ubc.ca (Murray Frank) writes:
>
>For dealing with this sort of mass market there are some simple
>mistakes currently being made by IBM. It would have been much better
>to have announced a month later date for GA, but actually have had
>availability on that date. "Can you spell impulse buying?" IBM
>apparently cannot.   
>
>>By the way, I'm getting tired of these ``I've got GA on my machine'' posts - I
>>don't, DAMMIT, and they're making me mighty jealous!

Me too!

>Even if IBM is not worried about the money that if has needlessly
>wasted by mishandling the release date, the sentiment that you express
>should still worry them. Customers who feel mistreated can turn
>vindictive later on. By creating an erratic pattern to GA, IBM is
>creating dissatisfaction needlessly. This is simply amateurish.
>I hope that IBM will learn from this mistake, and handle release dates 
>better in the future.   

IBM, when I bought OS/2 1.3, I was expecting to get my free upgrade to
2.0 by January!  Then, March 31st was to be the new date of OS/2's release.
Yes, I expect to be one of the first customers to receive OS/2 2.0.  I
don't want to wait until you fill Egghead's orders.  Don't make me
sorry that I didn't simply wait and buy it at Egghead.  If you make
that mistake, then I will certainly stop spreading OS/2 hype, that I
have been spreading for the past 4 months.  By the way, just to give
you an idea of the effect that individual users can have, I heard
about OS/2 2.0 over the net, and the discussions *here* convinced me
to buy into OS/2.  I currently work part-time as the "Computer
Technician" for Barnard College Library, and am a full time student,
living in a dormitory.  I have often been asked what platform and what
operating system a person should buy, and it seems to me that you
should be doing everything in your power to get people like me, an
informed computer user (yes, Usenet access and PC Week do help) who
believes in OS/2 (and in IBM!) and has the ability to directly
influence many purchases of OS/2 and IBM machines, to believe in IBM.
Send upgrades of OS/2 2.0 before you fill the retail and mail-order
market, since *we* are the ones who are generating the support for
OS/2!  Thank you.  :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: protein@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Blackmon)
Subject: OS/2 1.3 boot error...
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:42:48 GMT

Anybody know what TRAP 000C error message means?  This is the same machine
that had the COUNTRY.SYS error booting the 2.0 beta and ga.

Chris Blackmon, N4VGK		||  In this business, you either lead, follow
protein@catt.ncsu.edu		||  or get the hell out of the way.

"pour aller ou personne n'est jamais alle'...."
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:11:48 GMT

In article <"barnacle.e.417:07.03.92.13.17.40"@clarkson.edu> Dan Kehn <KEHN@CARVM3.VNET.IBM.COM> writes:

>I'm not "in the know", but I would guess that the marketing folks are
>waiting until the product is stocked everywhere before launching a
>media blitz.  Otherwise, IBM might be spending all their advertising
>dollars to drive consumers to the store only to be switched to a
>"competitive" (I use the term only figuratively  ;-)
>product by zealous salespeople.
>
>If there were no competitors (in the consumer's view), IBM probably
>would have started the media blitz long ago to create pent-up demand.
>I have no doubt that IBM will market OS/2 very aggressively once the
>retail stores are stocked.
>
>Dan Kehn
>#include <stddisc.h>

And even better than that, disillusioned Window 3.1  users seem to be doing 
a good job helping OS/2... Check what they are saying in the Windoze groups.
Maybe Microsoft is spending a lots of $$$ to help OS/2, after all -:)

Dov

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wfp@turing.acs.virginia.edu (William F. Pemberton)
Subject: A silly question.
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 01:42:23 GMT

This will be, I assume, a silly question.  Can OS/2 create DOS compatible
files on floppy?  I would like to get OS/2 for home, but I know it will
be quite a while before I see it at work.  Will I be able to transport
things back and forth?

I assume this is no problem, but since I know OS/2 doesn't use the FAT system
I am not sure.

Bill
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Two Questions?
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:20:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.3lsjsq#.rcain
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:
: Robert Cain writes
: 
: >: 2.- I dont have a math coprocesor, how much would it improve the
: >:     performance adding the coprocesor?
: 
: >Unless the font manager uses it, only applications will be affected. The
: >operating system doesn't use it.  Anybody know about the font renderer?
: 
: ATM under OS/2 has NO floating point in it - not even when parsing
: a Type 1 font program.  It operates completely with fixed-point
: numbers.  
: 

Hurray! Thanks guys for not copping out! Scott, is Adobe's PostScript
also fixed point for cubic interpolation and font rendering?
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: HPFS question...
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:21:17 GMT

In article <grendel.703123402@harry.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> grendel@cis.ksu.edu (Stephen Spencer ) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.163520.12444@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>HPFS is "fragmentation resistant," meaning that on all but the most
>>heavily used network server or BBS fragmentation is not a problem.
>>[...]
>Okay.  'Ere we go... the $200 question: if I continue to use fat until I can
>get more RAM, will I still be able to defrag them using norton or pctools
>without harming the os/2 data?

Yes.  But if the defragmenting utility does direct sector writes, you
should run it under native DOS.  That doesn't mean you need to leave
DOS on your hard disk -- you can always boot from a floppy to
defragment occasionally.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
From: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: An open letter to PC Magazine
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:02:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4dud6I600aw=0HF141
Organization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

pretty good letter, if rather confrontational

btw, did anyone notice the recipient of the "what's wrong with this
picture" award?
yes b's and g's, the guys at pc mag can't tell the difference between
macOS ( graphical semi operating system)
and machOS ( high powerred BSD unix spinoff )
but hey, a IIci and an indigo look the same to me :-)
From: chris@atl.scscom.com (Chris Boaro)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 RECAP: HOW TO GET/UPGRADE
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:16:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SCS/Compute, Inc.

mikeh@microme.uucp (Michael L. Hasenfratz) writes:

>	BTW - Does OS/2 work with Windows 3.0 programs that REQUIRE enhanced
>mode? If not, WHY not.

No, OS/2 will not run windows that require enhanced mode. It's not done 
because the 3/486 can't support 2 kernals running in 32 bit mode at the
same time. 

>As long as:
> 1) It is STABLE;

I've been using OS/2 since version 1.0, and in my opinion, it's been
stable for years. If you consider Windoze stable, wait till you see
OS/2!

2) The extentions to do some 'serious' work
>are also reasonably priced (under $50 per extension [TCP/IP, Database,...]);

I doubt that TCP will be priced at $50. How much does it cost you to run
TCP on your SCO Unix box? $300-400? And you want that same functionality
for $50? That might be asking for a little too much.

>3) People stop belittling people if they are skepticle of OS/2. Earlier
>versions were NOT great and the Presentaion Manager has been a long time coming
>(I assume it's now available);

PM has been a long time coming? Huh? I was using PM in OS/2 version 1.1, what,
about 4 or 5 years ago...

>	IBM needs to realize that SUNSoft (a division of SUN) is in the process
>of moving the Solaris OS (Sun's latest version) into the 386/486 platform. And
>NOT on their hardware. We are talking straight 386/486 machines. Shrink Wrapped
>OS with all of the bells and whistles from Sun. So if IBM wants OS/2 to be
>'THE OS' of the 90's they had better get it right. And 'right' NOW.

Solaris won't even be in the same market as OS/2. Their package will be
priced well over $1000, with development tools costing another $1700 or
so. In addition, solaris is a whole new operating system - it doesn't run
DOS or Windoze programs. Or OS/2 programs for that matter. The primary
reason that OS/2 1.x failed to make big sales is because they tried
to leave the past in the past with only minimal DOS support. The consumers
spoke loud and clear by saying that they are not willing to give up their
investments in application software. So you think that people will plop
down $1000+ per machine for an OS, and then have to get all new application
software? Nope, ain't gonna happen anytime in this century. :)

Not that there won't be competition for OS/2, of course there will be,
but it won't be coming from Sunsoft!

>Mike Hasenfratz - WA6FXT * mikeh@uMEM.COM or uunet!microme!mikeh
>Micro Memory Inc.
>Chatsworth, Ca. 91311 ...... Waiting of MY copy of OS/2 v2.0

Chris
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:54:56 CST
From: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: HELP: diskless PCs in an OS/2-LAN
Reply-To: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM - Austin
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

In <1992Apr9.134713.86@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at> mdn@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at writes:
>Dear Netters,
>             does anybody out there know if one can boot diskless PCs from an
>OS/2 LAN-server, ie. store a boot-image for each PC on a server ?
>
>Thanx in advance,
>                 Mike
>
>Mike D. NJOROGE
>
>e-mail: NJOROGE@Pap.Univie.Ac.At
>
Yes.  You can remote boot DOS, OS/2 1.3 or OS/2 2.0.  (with IBM LAN Server 2.0)

Gerry Thome
IBM - Austin
Organization: European Academic Research Network
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 14:36:22 GMT
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Printers under OS/2: signif of ATM was Re: DeskJet Support in OS/2
 <1992Apr9.000245.19403@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>

Well, I can easily say that PAINTJET quality is EXCELLENT. I especially
enjoy doing PrintScreens from PM.  -turgut
From: mdn@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: HELP: diskless PCs in an OS/2-LAN
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:47:13 GMT
Organization: Vienna University Computer Center

Dear Netters,
             does anybody out there know if one can boot diskless PCs from an
OS/2 LAN-server, ie. store a boot-image for each PC on a server ?

Thanx in advance,
                 Mike



Mike D. NJOROGE

e-mail: NJOROGE@Pap.Univie.Ac.At
From: n9046319@rowlf.cc.wwu.edu (Jeremy Corley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: HELP for installing GA (I get it today!!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:34:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: rowlf.n9046319.703452845
Organization: Western Washington University


	I'm getting GA today (April 16) from my local computerland.
I've heard of some problems installing GA, but didn't read them, so
if someone could just summerize the what-to-do's and what-not-to-do's
I'd greatly appriciate it.  I have a no-name peice together clone 386-25
with a 210meg Maxtor IDE, soundblaster pro, 2400 baud modem, Logitech
serial mouse (don't remember which model), and V7-Vram w/512k.

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From: bill.dehaan@rose.com (bill dehaan)
Subject: OS/2 upgrade policy
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:40:28 GMT
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Date Entered: 04-15-92 21:33
In message <1992Apr14.023203.13445@cs.mcgill.ca>, Pascal Proulx writes:

PP>The title almost says it all. If the answer is yes, PLEASE write to this
PP>newsgroup to give the information you have on how IBM Canada has planned
PP>to release OS2 2.O in Canada :

PP>this information would apply to:

PP>   - date of release

March 31st was  the General Availability  (GA) date. When  *you* will be
able to buy it retail is a big question.

PP>   - upgrading policy (prices of upgrades)

You can  update from  OS/2 1.x  for free.  There are  also upgrades from
Windows and DOS. I've seen several prices quoted, so I won't add fuel to
the fire by quoting numbers I'm not certain of. Also, when I called  the
IBM order desk, they said that there was no upgrade. Don't believe them.
There is,  they just  won't admit  it. The  order desk  seemed a  little
disorganized, so you may have to call  back a few times to get ahold  of
someone who can tell you the facts.

PP>   - prices for the EE version

Can't help you  here. If you  already have OS/2  1.x EE, the  upgrade is
free, but I don't know the new pricing.

PP>   - BBS number in Canada

I have the Toronto number at home. If I don't see the number listed here
tomorrow, I'll post it.

PP>   - toll-free number for information in Canada, etc...

1-800-465-1234

PP>   - where to get OS2 2.O ?

Be prepared  for a  wait. I  sent in  my upgrade  in the  second week of
March, and _finally_ spoke  with someone who knew  what was going on  on
Monday morning.  I was  told that  shipments will  be starting the first
week  of  June,  so  people  who  sent  in  upgrades  should  have  them
mid-summer. Grrr.... Only consolation  is upgrades will probably  be out
before the stores get copies, which means it could be a while.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu
Subject: EEP pgrm free OS/2 form arrived
Organization: CARD
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:35:09 GMT

To all in official EEP program,                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                      
I received my form to get my free (not really as I worked for it) OS/2 2.0                                                                            
in the mail today, for participating in the EEP Beta program.  If you                                                                                 
were part of the EEP, you should be getting your forms soon now also.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                      
Filling out my form...                                                                                                                                
Mike Long                                                                                                                                             
Iowa State University
From: x27@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (T. Voelkering)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 SVGA INFO (long)
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:29:36 GMT
Organization: University of Heidelberg (Germany)

There is no seamless windows support for 8514 as far as I know!
It works with VGA and XGA, but 8514 is missing.

Please give me a hint if I am wrong. I have a ATI 8514 Ultra and the 
performance is ok for the wps. But WIN-Fullscreen are rather slow. They
are much better with the ATI-Ultra Win-driver.

Thomas
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sab@engr.uark.edu (Steve A. Breuer)
Subject: Re: I Got it
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:24:13 GMT

rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:

>sab@engr.uark.edu (Steve A. Breuer) writes:
>: 
>: I downloaded my copy today and will also be installing it this evening.
>
>From where?
>-- 
>Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007
>

I should of stated that as an IBMer I can download the OS/2 2.0 code
from an IBM internal shadow disk.  This access is available to most
IBMers.  By the way, OS/2 2.0 GA installed very smooth - no problems.
It correctly detected the ATI Graphics Ultra (8514/A) and the Adaptec
1542B SCSI controller on my Gateway 2000 486/33 ISA - with no special
actions required on my part.

Steve

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University of Arkansas - Computer Systems Engineering Department Alumnus
IBM Internet: sbreuer@dalvmic4.vnet.ibm.com (501)444-1182 (T/L 734-1182)
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Pause before you consider OS/2 (was Re: Win 3.1 not THAT great.)
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:31:29 GMT

>Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
>Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
>1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
>Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.

Scott:

Just to editorialize a bit, your company has a lot riding on OS/2.
Your typeface rendering technology is well incorporated into OS/2 2.0
(in both Win-OS/2 and OS/2 modes), and I think it is great that OS/2
ships with the standard technology, Adobe's.

I'm sure Adobe has thought of it, but how about some 32-bit ports of
Adobe applications to OS/2 2.0?
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc