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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: wrestling/Adam Silver
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:14:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul21.202918.89391@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>I read all the arm wrestling info, and was wondering if the following
>exercise would be beneficial:
>
>Let's say you hook some weight on the top of a cable machine, then
>with a bench in front of you, sit with your shoulder to the cable,
>pull the weight down until you're in a seated or kneeling position
>on the floow, and your elbow is on the bench, then pull down the weight.
>(simulating the arm wrestling position)
>
>What do you think?

The idea is very good, Kathi.  The one problem is that the cable is too angled
on a cable machine like that.  If I can figure out a way to have the cable
fairly level with my arm, then it's a great exercise.  It's still best to
actually practice with a person because the motion is closer to armwrestling
than what a machine can give.  Plus, I need to be able to have tension on
my wrist at different angles to simulate armwrestling.  I don't know any
machines that can do this.

							-Adam

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From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Questions About Low Carbo Diet
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:10:55 GMT

>From: srutt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (DNA Kaifeng)
>
>Recently, my mother told me about a diet book some of her friends are
>following and asked me if check out the science behind it. The book was
>called "The Endocrine Diet" (I think) and the object is that by
>significantly reducing ones carbo intake, daily energy requirements come
>from stored body fat. Protein intake is enhanced as the only other group
>available besides fat and to prevent muscle wasting.
>
>Side effects are ketosis, a potentially dangerous state if not carefully
>monitored (although the book does describe how to monitor it). There also
>appears to be limited evidence of negative effects to the brain during
>more severe levels of ketosis.

ketosis is nothing to play with! ketosis occurs when the body does/doesnt(?)
produce ketones, and can have disasterous results including (if i'm remember-
ing correctly) coma. ketosis can be monitored using test strips, which can
purchased at most drug stores (over the counter).
i can't remember all the specifics, but my friend's cat is diabetic, and
she has to test his glucose and his ketones.
i'm not a doctor or anything, so ask a doctor or pharmacist for more info!

>Before I could relay this info to my mother, her friends told me how happpy
>and successful they have been with the low carbo diet and how carefully
>they are monitoring the ketosis. I knew it wasn't the magic formula for
>weight loss, but they thought it was and maybe thats all that matters -
>for the first time they found a plan that works and they like it. I kept
>my mouth shut.

it's nice that your mom and friends found something that works for them...
but perhaps mom would be better off eating more normal amounts of carbs, and
starting a walking program instead!

my mom has been trying to lose weight for as long as i can remember, but
she refuses to exercise. she *is* finally learning that her fat intake is
way too high, and she's adjusting (slowly). she still insists on adding one
T of oil to her Good Seasons fat-free dressing mix, sigh. (she did learn
much easier about different KINDS of oil, and that canola oil is better
for her cholesterol).

you might want to ask mom *how* they are monitoring ketosis, to make sure
they are actually monitoring, and not just *saying* they are. some people
will do anything to lose weight, no matter how dangerous! (look at how
many people die of anerexia)
not putting down your mom or anything, just looking out for her! :-)

Janice

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From: ysub.ysu.edu!TAC@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Question on Universal
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:26:00 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University
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In article <1992Jul21.215909.15268@auto-trol.com>
stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
 
>
>                                           The question is: which
>of the two weights corresponds more closely to free weights?  Is
>ten reps at 100 lbs. marked at the low end on the bench press
>station equivalent to ten reps at 100 lbs. with free weights?
>
I believe that the weight marked on the low end is suppose to be
the weight at the beginning of the motion and the weight marked
on the high end is suppose to be the weight at the end of the motion.
The weight marked are probably okay for a free weight trainer to use
when he has to (on a business trip at a hotel).  However, a machine
trainer will probably not be able to lift an equivalent amount of
free weight because on the balance required.  Also, myself being a
free weight trainer, has found that the groove the machine follows
does not usually match my own.
 
Troy
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: RECOMMEND BOOK--LIFTING?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 29 JUL 92 14:04:15    


>Getting Stronger
>by Bill Pearl

Good one.  Especially strong on simple, practical advice and
specific routines, with excellent progression schedules
and provisions for all kinds of sports and fitness goals, in
addition to bodybuilding.

If you are browsing and see any of the following, I think they
are worth looking into as well ...

'Bodybuilding, A Scientific Approach,' by Hatfield, which 
gives a very solid foundation in the nuts, bolts, and science of
BB.   Which ergogenic aids seem to work for most people, which don't,
and that sort of general thing.

'Perfect Parts,' by Maclish is another excellent one.

For variety ...

Many of the flashy Bob Kennedy books provide a combination of
inspiring photos of champions and useful information.  'REPS' has
an amazing variety of different kinds of routines to try, and 'MASS,'
has a number of tips and ideas that are not found in many other places.
'MASS' is probably intended as the most advanced of the few mentioned
here.

						good luck,

						todd
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From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Re: love handles/Ken Kline
Organization: IDE, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:10:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.180920.286371@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>Lots of aerobic exercise and dieting will not get rid of
>love handles.  I know thin people who never weightlift who have
>love handles, or are in the process of getting them(all men).  The
>original poster (Javier, I think) needs to tighten all that flab 
>(no offense) up.  Aerobics might make them smaller, but then he'll have 
>small flappy love handles, instead of full ones.
>
>Actually, too bad this person can't get to a cable machine.  There's
>a great exercise I do sometimes when I feel particularly obsessed.  I 
>hook a strap on the lower cable (weighted), and wrap the strap around my 
>ankle, then stand with your back to the cable, kicking with the weighted 
>leg.  You can either keep your leg straight or bend it.
>(It's good to hold on to something when you do this)


   You do that exercise for love handles?  I do almost the 
   identical thing, except rather than kick, I lift and lower
   my leg (straight knee) in front of me.  But I do it to
   work my quads (without putting weighted pressure on my knee),
   not love handles.

		Bonnie
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Questions About Low Carbo Diet
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.041831.10064@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>
>>Any very-low-calorie diet (< 700 kcal/day) will produce ketosis, as
>
>According to Atkins, carbos must be lower than 35-40 g/day to get the
>BDK (Benign Dietary Ketosis) discussed in his 1992 book.  35 grams
>of carbohydrate corresponds to about 140 calories (kcal) depending on
>whose data one uses.

I wish I had checked while I was on the diet, but I suspect I was on
ketosis while on my VLCD which claimed to supply (according to the 
box) 75g of carbs a day.  The reason I say "suspect" is that I was
not hungry (we're talking for months on 500 cals a day) and I know
that lack of hunger is a side-effect (benefit?) of ketosis.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: * mistake/crick
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.193506.227181@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>Was that your last post, or are you going to post one 'last time' to say
>you have better things to do than to respond to my posts?  
>
>You're adorable when you're angry.  

 Apparently this sort of thing must pass for wit at the idiots' convention.
You really must try and get out more.

Ed
From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shoulders
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:04:22 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.

In article <14674@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.154240.5412@nrao.edu> lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) writes:
>>
>>Shrugs are for your trapezoids..
>>
>>/lex
>
>I thought trapezoids were geometrical shapes.  I guess you meant trapezius. 
>:-)
>
>							-Adam
>
>-- 

Man, I knew there was something funny about my post, I just couldn't put my
finger on it.. :-O

Luther
From: EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: relaxation exercises?
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:26:48 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Can anyone recommend good relaxation techniques (perhaps even a book that
talks about relaxation techniques and stress reduction)?  I know
vigorous exercise can help relieve stress, but I've been sidelined for a
while because of some injuries.  I have problems relaxing at bed time -- I
tend to get nauseated at night when I try to sleep.  Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
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From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:06:41 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul30.035010.16352@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.093026.47@math.ucla.edu> barry@saticoy.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman) writes:
>>>weights for longer. You might try stacking it with a product called
>>>E.P.H. 833. If you're a light sleeper, you might find the Dymeta-
>>
>>Is there any noticable difference between EPH 833 and 
>>Dymetradine? I just ordered some Dym., and plan to alternate it
>>with caffeine. How does it compare to caffeine?
> 
> You can buy ephedrine at your local pharmacy; it's probably a lot
> cheaper than any such brand name as "Dymetadrine".  I might be a bit
> concerned by its effects on blood pressure and heart rate during exercise,
> though you can probably assess its effect on your heart rate yourself.
> 
> It wouldn't surprise me if caffeine and ephedrine were supra-additive
> in their stimulant effects.  Of course, both are "doping" agents
> screened for in competition.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steve Dyer
> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer


Steve,  do you have proof that ephedrine is screened for in competition?  Also,
Where were you able to find ephedrine in a pharmacy here in Boston?
Just in general, E.P.H. or ephedra is the same as ephedrine which is the same
as Dymetadrine 25.  Ephedra can be found in Ma Huang tea which the Chinese have
been drinking for centuries.
It should be noted that ephedrine should not be used by any athlete who has had
a history of heart palpitations, arrythmia, or any conductive irregularity of
the heart.  Further caution should be used when stacking ephedrine with caffeine
and aspirin as this is even more likely to cause an irregular or strong heart-
beat.  This paragraph was extracted from a paper by the Natural Supplement
Association.

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From: SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU!kji+@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re:LOOK at what Art Wittman did...
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:01:00 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
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X-Spam-content: irrelevant

Adam Silver asks:

>Would you two like to arm wrestle me too....

  Actually I think I would like to.  I've beaten the 3 men I arm
wrestled(2 of them with both arms).  I'd like to try arm wrestling
with a professional.

K
From: remus.rutgers.edu!clong@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:52:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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In article <1992Jul21.121558.13339@tcom.stc.co.uk>, Laurie Constantin writes:

>  of benching (i.e. upper bosy weighs about 150 and legs about 12!!)

No, he's Adam "Squat King" Silver.  His weight is so low because
his bones are made out of titanium instead of calcium.

-Chris Long
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: srutt@boulder.Colorado.EDU (DNA Kaifeng)
Subject: Re: Questions About Low Carbo Diet
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:09:32 GMT

drv@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dennis.r.vogel) writes:

>I'm looking for information about a low carbohydrate diet for weight loss.
>I have questions like how does it work (nutritionally), are there any
>bad side effects of it, how long must or can one stay on it, etc.

>Pointers to written materials would also be welcomed.

Recently, my mother told me about a diet book some of her friends are
following and asked me if check out the science behind it. The book was
called "The Endocrine Diet" (I think) and the object is that by 
significantly reducing ones carbo intake, daily energy requirements come
from stored body fat. Protein intake is enhanced as the only other group
available besides fat and to prevent muscle wasting.

Side effects are ketosis, a potentially dangerous state if not carefully
monitored (although the book does describe how to monitor it). There also
appears to be limited evidence of negative effects to the brain during
more severe levels of ketosis.

Although the authors of the book have not published any data about this
diet in scientific papers, other papers about various diet variables do
exist. These papers suggest that a low carbo diet does no better than a
moderate carbo diet in overall fat loss (all dieters in the study consumed 
the same number of calories - something like 1200 or 1500 per day). There 
was no difference in muscle wasting, and even a lower level of compliance 
by the study participants (to the low carbo diet).

Before I could relay this info to my mother, her friends told me how happpy
and successful they have been with the low carbo diet and how carefully 
they are monitoring the ketosis. I knew it wasn't the magic formula for
weight loss, but they thought it was and maybe thats all that matters -
for the first time they found a plan that works and they like it. I kept
my mouth shut.
  
>Dennis R. Vogel
>AT&T Bell Laboratories
>Middletown, NJ

                          -steve


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From: Mac!
Subject: Re: side effects of carbonated beverage consumption?
Reply-To: (.)
Organization: (.)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:45:54 GMT




>i am more concerned about the aluminum cans, containing these acidic,
>carbonated beverages.  seems that some of that aluminum is bound :) to end
>up in your system.


	FYI:	

	Aluminum is a key component in many antacids. Aluminum decreases
	the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins such as A,D,E and K.	

								- Mac
From: emura@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher Y Emura)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Qustn. for weight lifting GURUs.
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:33:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


I have recently (well, about 5 or 6 weeks ago) started a weight lifting
program of sorts and was planning a 10-12 day road trip during which time
I would have no access to weights.  My question to those of you out
there with experience is:

  How much will this set me back?  Even if I were to "loose" nothing, how
much could I have gained during this time?


I am more familiar with the effects of aerobic exercises.  A lapse of
aerobic activity for this time (10-12 days) I suspect, would be much
more "damaging" than a lapse of anaerobic activity; in particular,
weight lifting.


Please e-mail or post anything that would give me an indicator or better
feel of the situation.


Thanks for your time!



Chris
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Subject: Dymetadrine 25
Reply-To: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:15:36 GMT

Does anybody have any info/experience with this stuff? Side effects? 
or anything? All info would be greatly appreciated. Send mail if
possible.

-MIke

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From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: proper form for hanging leg raises
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:23:33 GMT

>From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
>Subject: proper form for hanging leg raises
>
>    As part of my ab routine I do hanging leg raises - legs straight
>until failure then I bend at the knees for a few extra. I don't think
>I am doing them right - feels like I am working my hips more than my
>abs. Any advice??

*CONCENTRATE* on using your abs! ;-)
(it's easy to use the hips if you don't concentrate on using abs!)

Janice

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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Fat metabolism
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:11:03 GMT



	According to my most recent info, fat metabolism kicks in after
about 15-20 minutes of aerobic exercise.  It then lasts for at least one
hour, and *perhaps* up to 4-5 hours.

	Does anyone have some more precise information on how long fat
metabolism lasts?

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

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From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Questions About Low Carbo Diet
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:44:11 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Jul23.041831.10064@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>According to Atkins, carbos must be lower than 35-40 g/day to get the
>BDK (Benign Dietary Ketosis) discussed in his 1992 book.  35 grams
>of carbohydrate corresponds to about 140 calories (kcal) depending on
>whose data one uses.


According to Lehninger, _Biochemistry_, an unadapted fasting brain
requires 144 gm glucose/day, supplied from protein.  After adaptation of
5 weeks, this dropped to 44 gm, the energy difference supplied by
ketone bodies.  

Question:   If I read Lehninger right, ketone bodies are formed in the
liver from acetyl-CoA, which is formed in mitochondria during the
oxidation of fatty acids.  Is the source for this mitochondria in the
liver, or is some acetyl-CoA circulating?  If it is in the liver, why
does ketosis occur?  Shouldn't there be some kind of feedback control on
the amount of ketones liberated?
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But play the man, stand up and end you,
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From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: * mistake/crick
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:42:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.161343.8655@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.143805.15749@cbfsb.cb.att.com> yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons) writes:
>>
>>Its interesting to see that the person who is claiming that evryone needs to 
>>get out more, immediately follows up a post from someone else. Maybe you are 
>>the one that needs to get out more.
>>
>
> What an original comeback, with such wit and wisdom available on my
>computer screen I see no reason to ever venture outside.  What happened,
>did your Thighmaster slip causing you some inconvenience?
>
>Ed
>
>
Nope no thigh master, but you are probably a better authority on these than 
me. But your quick reply proves my point.
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: MUSCLE MEMORY!!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:52:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Jul21.121558.13339@tcom.stc.co.uk>, Laurie Constantin writes:

> 	of benching (i.e. upper bosy weighs about 150 and legs about 12!!)

No, he's Adam "Squat King" Silver.  His weight is so low because
his bones are made out of titanium instead of calcium.

-Chris Long
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