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From: allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Contra dance in Zurich, Switzerland
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:51:11 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: DI-LIA -- Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne



On Saturday, 21 November, the Zurich barn dance society will be
hosting its Autumn Dance at St. Andrew's English Church Hall,
Promenadegasse (oops!  I forget the number - but Promenadegasse is not
very long, so you can find the church hall easily enough), at 7:00
p.m.  Admission is something like SFr. 10,- or so.  Live caller (me),
recorded music.  Calling done in English (bits in German or French if
absolutely necessary).

Promenadegasse is near the tram stop Kunsthaus (climb up the hill
toward the southwest (toward the lake)).  Bring your friends!

(somewhere in my last move I misplaced the email address of someone
who was interested in this sort of thing - I hope she is reading this
group!) 

If anyone attends because of having seen this, please let me know.

Dean
From: donl@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Don B. Larson)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:56:53 GMT
Subject: Request for Irish dance schools
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing

I am looking for Irish Dance schools in the South Bay (SW. San Jose,
Sunneyvale, Cupertino.)  I'm interested in Reels, Jigs, Hornpipes, and
possibly Step dancing.   You can e-mail me information and I will
summarize.

                                                Don Larson
                                                donl@cup.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie)
Subject: Re: Piano vs Guitar in contra bands 
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:45:15 GMT

cottle@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (David M. Cottle) writes:

>I am still convinced, however, (and these dances affirmed this
>opinion) that less is more.  One compitent comp and one
>compitent lead is much better than 6 hacks.

If you have very good musicians, 2-5 is a great size for a band.
As you approach 5, do more arrangements.  There is less room for
playing around if you have only two, though, and a small group of
musicians usually requires amplification.

If you are working with beginners, there is safety in numbers.

But please don't forget that musicians can be musically very good
without being good at laying down a clear, danceable phrase.  Some
mediocre or even beginning musicians may be able to do this.

Whether your musicians are good or bad, they need to learn how to
phrase music.


Jonathan 
------------------------------------
Jonathan Robie
BKS Software
Guerickestr. 27
Berlin 10
Germany

jrobie@netmbx.UUCP
jrobie@netmbx.in-berlin.de
-- 
Jonathan

===========================================================================

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
From: cashman@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoff Cashman)
Subject: Re: Carbon Fiber Frames
Keywords: n
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 00:45:43 GMT

In article <1dun81INNokm@overload.lbl.gov> chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll) writes:
>Renie Maycon writes: 
>>I want to know what is the fastest you have ever went
>59.5 mph (95.8 kmh) - still shooting for sixty.  I tend to hold back [...]

51 here...Rather humorous event, mostly.  At the top of the hill
a dog tried to chase me :-)  He didn't stay with me for long.  At the bottom
of the hill I had a partial blowout on my front sidewall.  I was doing
40mph by then.  Scared me enough to reconsider trying.  But, I'm still
shooting for sixty...and there's a hill around here I can do it on I think.

>Kentaro Nakamichi writes:
>>To make things more exciting, what's the fastest that people have CRASHED 
>>at? :-)
>
>A friend's bike computer showed 45 mph, once we got the bike out of the tree.

Just did the fastest crash in 8 years for me...20mph on a downhill left
turn on a somewhat rain slickened road.  This was 9 days ago now and
my chest is still hurting.  Hospital says they can't do much for me. 
(after 7 days of little sign of recovery, I finally went in). 

I'm personally a bit terrified of breaking 60, being euphoric and flipping
the bike.  I'm actually not concerned about me having road rash, I'm
concerned about the road having human rash. 

			- Geoff Cashman

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: neilf@delfin.com (Neil Frank)
Subject: Re: Rain Questions for Vision-Impaired Folks (like me)
Organization: Delfin Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:28:47 GMT

Bert Molinari (molinari@ccs.northeastern.edu) wrote:
: 
: >>More rain questions for the vision-impaired: How do you folks reduce
: >>fogging/rain accumulation on your glasses? Contact lenses are not an
: >>option for me, and I *must* (can you say blind as a bat?) wear the
: >>glasses. These factors have combined to cause me problems, especially
: >>when riding at night.
: >
: 
: ther is some spray that you can put on the lenses to prevent them from
: fogging up.  unfortunatly i forget the name of it but you should be able
: to get it at your optician.  it comes in a real small aerosol can.  as for
: keeping rain outta yer eyes, i find a baseball hat pulled down real close
: works pretty well.
: 
: bert


If you go to any Scuba shop they have a liquid which is designed to keep
glasses (masks) clear even when submerged in water.....  Although the cheapest 
idea is to use saliva.....  It just does not last as long....

-nlf-
-- 
Neil Frank		Delfin Systems		408-748-1200
neilf@delfin.com	Santa Clara, CA.
-------------------------------------------------------------
                Wisdom is Gained Through Experience,             
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: speed humps, will they damage my bike
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:52:03 GMT

>>Every morning I have to negotiate a speed hump at the bottom of a hill.
>>I really hate braking to take it comfortably as I could use the speed on
>>the other side.  My question is: will this damage my bike, in particular
>>the headset?  My body is quite able to take the hump at speed, out of the
>>saddle with my weight shifting back and forth to minimise the strain on
>>both me and the bike.
>>
>Depends on what your bike is (you don't specify).  If it's a street bike with
>the tires pumped up to 110 psi, then it probably will hurt the bike. [...]

Doubtful.

With due care and adequate timing this can be done at 30 mph.
Your chain will rattle a little but that's all.

>One thing you can do if you are on a street bike is learn to hop over the
>bump.  It's pretty easy since most street bikes are quite light.  
>

This takes more skill, but it's lots more fun.


-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:23595 rec.bicycles.marketplace:1004 rec.bicycles.tech:1753
From: jdr40@ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Maillard Helico-Matic Freewheels?
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:43:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: JUTS.022b02ap2a2201
Reply-To: jdr40@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (John Ritter)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov3.223724.23639@cypress.com> mjl@cypress.com (Mike La Bouff) writes:
>I have a 1984 vintage Maillard Helico-Matic rear hub that I am trying to locate
>a freewheel for.  Apparently these were discontinued by Maillard in the late 80's
>and are no where to be found here in the S.F. Bay area.  I have considered buying
>a new wheel/freewheel, but it is out of my budget.

If that helicomatic hub is on a Trek, you might be able to get them to
replace it. Trek used a lot of those hubs in the mid 80's. I got tired
of the poor shifting and complained to my Trek dealer just about 2-3
years ago. The dealer talked to the distributer and they replaced the
hub/freewheel on warrenty. They may not do it anymore and I could have
just ran into a nice guy but I know they had lots of complaints over the
years. It would be worth asking.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Camelbak - any good?
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:17:24 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I've got the opportunity to buy a Camelbak for about $20 (US$10). Are they
worth the money? Looks like a nice idea for racing, but... Never seen road
racers use them, only mountain bikers. Would it be worth it fotr time
trialling?

How much do they hold?

tia - Rabbi

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.marketplace:1094 ny.forsale:1896 nj.forsale:2327 ne.forsale:4987
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,ny.forsale,nj.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: FOR SALE: Racing / Touring bike (repost)
Summary: bike for sale
Keywords: bike forsale
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:02:35 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM


The following bike is for sale:
 Type of Bicycle: Lejeune touring semi-racing (road)

 The price is negotiable.  If you are interested, please 
 call David Taylor at (914) 561-6568.  (NY, NJ, Conn. residents
 are preferred. The reason is that it would be easier to see the bike before 
 buying it.)

 WARNING: Long specification list follows:

 Frame Size: 26"
 Frame Angle: 73 degrees
 Tubing: Reynolds 531 Double Butted throughout
 Lugs: nervex
 Ends: Campagnolo Record Road Nuovo Record
 Fork Rake: 2"
 Color: Chrome
 Rims: Mavic Best
 No. of spokes: 36
 Type of spokes: Best available with Butted
 Hubs: Campu Nuovo Record Large Flang Q.R.
 Tires-Brand: Clement tubular
 Tire weight: 10 oz.
 Crankset: Campi-Nuovo Record Road
 Crankset teeth: 44-52
 Rear derailleur: 44-52
 Front derailleur: 44-52
 Freewheel and teeth:  Regina Oro-14-28
 Chain: Regina
 Handlehar: TTT Record
 Stem and Extension: TTT Record
 Pedals: Campi-Road superlight series
 Saddle: Brooks Professional
 Seat post: Campi-Road superlight
 Toe clips: Christophe
 Toe straps: Binda
 Pump: Silc Impera with campi fitting
 Tool kit: Mafac
 Other accessories: Handle bar mounted, water bottle

-- 
 Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
 From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Bolle prescription sunglasses
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:14:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <Bx5Kx6.En9@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v008pcqu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Patrick E Tuxbury) wrote:
> 
> 
>      Can anyone tell me how the Bolle Edge glasses inserts for prescription
> lenses work?  Is there any difference in the feel of the glasses.  I plan on
> getting a pair but I would like to know some people's opinions about them.
> Thanks.

This is almost getting to be an FAQ...

I have been using the Bolle prescription shades for several months now, and
I have been very pleased with them.  They do feel a bit different from my
regular glasses, but not in a way that bothers me.  They provide excellent
field of vision, optical quality, wind protection, and comfort.  They don't
fog up as long as I am in motion, though they do fog up a bit at red
lights, in certain weather conditions.  Extra sunglass lenses are
reasonably priced, so I have a clear one as well as the blue "mirror" lens.
 It's too soon to know for sure about durability, but I expect it to be
good.

The only annoyance is that if I sweat heavily on a climb, and drip sweat
onto the lenses, I have to remove the prescription insert before I can get
things cleaned up.  This is a pain, but I guess it's Life.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: ross@tarski.tmc.edu (David Ross)
Subject: Re: Carrying Bikes on Cars
Organization: University of Hawaii Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:55:07 GMT

In article <2930253356.0.wk01155@worldlink.com> wk01155@worldlink.com (Paul Esposito Jr.) writes:
>My personal favorite is the Yakima roof rack. The advantages are numerous:
>	2. Bars are rated for 125(?) lbs each. (Question mark is because
>		I believe that the basket that I have mounted is rated
>		100 lbs and the new bars say 150 lbs distributed.)

We carried at least 500 pounds on our Yakima rack/basket when we
moved from Minnesota to Oregon. Did it hold?  Sort of; the basket bent
a bit under the load, and - since we mounted it in suspension mode,
rather than over the bars - we scratched our Golf's paint a bit.  Not
major, and there was no marring of the paint under the rack mounts
(which we had feared).  Had we used a Thule, the Golf mountings would
have put the weight higher on the roof, which might have caused denting
of the roof.  Also, the week we were choosing between the two systems
we noticed several cars with bent Thule racks (which is why we bought
the Yakima).

For just bicycles and light loads, I think the Thule would be better than
the Yakima on the Golf/Jetta (which the original poster owns), since the
mounts are more customized for the car.


--
David Ross, Dept. of Math., Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa, Honolulu HI  96822
Internet: ross@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu  -or- ross@tarski.math.hawaii.edu
Phone: 808-956-9949
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz)
Subject: Comments on TWT Pedals Wanted
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:31:27 GMT
Keywords: Trashing my SPDs because of knee problems

   I've been having a tough time with my SPDs.  The most minor seat
   adjustment, and I have to readjust the angle on my SPDs.  If not,
   my knees hurt.

   So, I'm going to upgrade to one of the other walkable pedabls.  Both
   the Look & Time pedals allow rotation, and it should help with my knee
   problems.  

   It looks to me like the TWT cleats will fit on the same 
   shoes I've been using for SPDs.  (Specialized Groundcontrol Shoes.)
   Does anyone have any comments/recommendations on the TWT pedals?
   Should I expect that I'll have to get new shoes too?  If so, is the
   Look walkable system (MP90?) better than Time?

   B.Katz
   "still no disclaimer available"
From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: DX RapidFire shifters for sale
Date: 13 Nov 92 11:59:20
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: winnie-the-pooh.ai.mit.edu

I'm replacing my DX RapidFire (not Plus) shifters with thumb shifters
out of preference.  They're integrated with the brake levers.  Anybody
interested in buying them?  What would you be willing to pay?  They're
only four months old.  I'm in the Boston area, but could mail them if
necessary.

phone: 617-489-1619 eves -- 617-253-0452 days


--

                                Lee Hetherington
                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: michaelk@netcom.com (Michael Kronstadt)
Subject: Re: Mountain bikes in $1500-$2700 range >opinions
Organization: Abbott Critical Care Systems, Mountain View CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:50:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.044021.115416@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>
>                                               They'd have to
>make the bike out of gold or platinum before you'd catch me
                      ^^^^    ^^^^^^^^
>paying $3000 for a bicycle. 


or titanium :-)     Sigh!
 
-- 
Michael Kronstadt         michaelk@netcom.com                       __o
Abbott Critical Care Systems       ____    "Ride the bike,        _`\<,_
Mountain View, CA                  \  /      ride the bike,      (*)/ (*)
(my opinions, not Abbott's)         \/        ride the bike." -- Fausto Coppi
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Saddles
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:55:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.144554.27029@athena.mit.edu> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
>I have a Specialized Rockhopper mountain bike with a Specialized
>saddle on it, that I'm not too happy with.  I'm also thinking about
>buying a Specialized Allez road bike in a few months, which also
>comes with a Specialized saddle, which I'd rather avoid.  So, I'm
>looking for recommendations for saddles, with comfort being the
>primer criterion, and weight a secondary one.  The ones I'm considering
>are:
>
>   Selle Italia Turbomatic
>   Selle Italia Titanium Flite
>   Waveflo

I've been testing a Wveflo Sport model for a few months.  It's pretty
good, but there's two things I don't like:

1) The Flolite stops about 3" from the tip (nose) of the saddle).
The surrounding foam is quite soft, so you end up sitting on the
saddle's shell when you move forward.  I have an older model,
but this *may* be fixed on the newer ones (Waveflo won't return
my calls/faxes).

2) The saddle is covered with a non-slip synthetic material that
tends to grab your shorts.  I supposed I could just put a lycra
cover on the saddle.

The Sport model is nearly identical to the Turbo (in shape).  Waveflo
does make narrower, racier versions too (some with Ti rails).

>Any comments on these?  Any others I should look at.  I do want a
>fairly narrow saddle.
>
>Thanks...Joakim
>--
>Joakim Karlsson            | aviator@athena.mit.edu
>Flying Fanatic in Training | Air: PP-ASEL  CAP: Freedom 107 Mobile  FCC: N1JHW
>                 "Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
>                And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings"


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Mountain bikes in $1500-$2700 range >opinions
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:45:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


In article <1992Nov05.044021.115416@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph
Yozzo) writes:

>Am I alone here or do others also think that bike prices in the
>$3000 dollar range are ludicrous?
>
>C'mon, guys we're talking about a bike.  Remember, two wheels,
>some tubing, and it does not weigh very much.  They'd have to
>make the bike out of gold or platinum before you'd catch me
>paying $3000 for a bicycle.

That depends on what you're going to do with it.  If you'll ride it on
an occasional Sunday but otherwise only talk about riding it, I have
trouble understanding what the point is, though plenty of Merlins and\
Kestrels are sold to such folks.  And I don't begrudge them their bikes;
after all, they help keep our favorite bike shops in business.

But if, on the other hand, you'll actually ride your $3000 bike as
long as it will let you, you might find out that in the long run it
works out cheaper.  Certainly over 100,000 or more miles the difference
in price between a $1000 and $3000 bike disappears, while some of the
reduced weight or more reliable components the extra money brought pay
dividends with every mile.

I'm looking at having a $2000+ custom frame built, BTW, so if you
include the replacement value of the parts I'll be putting on it the
total could easily exceed $3000.  It's a lot of money for "just a bike,"
but it's actually a lot less than most of my friends have paid for their
principle means of transportation.  It depends on how you look at it.
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
RAAM in '93?		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: keith@fc.hp.com (Keith Taylor)
Subject: Re: Carrying Bikes on Cars
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:17:04 GMT

We've had a Thule rack on top of our Plymouth minivan for a couple of
years.  Here are some thoughts...

   - Thule stuff is expensive, too.
   - We use the "cheap" downtube mounts. We have four bikes up
     up there at times -- no problems yet.
   - We also have the "Weekender" cargo container.
   - Wind noise hasn't been a problem. (The Thule fairing is also
     expensive "free" advertising for them.)

All in all, we're satisfied. We may not have got the most for our
money, but we do feel like we got a quality system.

Keith M. Taylor          
Hewlett-Packard
Corvallis, Oregon
From: andy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Andy Mechtenberg)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:57:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Oakly shades
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace

> > Has anyone out there tried a pair of the new Oakly Sub Zero shades?
> >I'm thinking of buying a pair and would appreciate any comments.
> >Also, are they only available in black iridium?

> No, I haven't tried them. I just use 69c sunglasses which have 100%
> UV filters. It doesn't matter if they fall off, and you dont lose your
> $100 excess on your insurance, that would happen if you lose, break etc
> your DOAKLEYS

Hey, thanks for answering his question.  Asshole.

Are you so much better than those of us who enjoy wearing Oakley 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: dje@scs.carleton.ca (Danny Epstein)
Subject: floor pumps, trip computers
Summary: What is best floor pump, trip computer?
Keywords: floor pump, trip computer
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:46:30 GMT


I bought a Zefal Rush Plus floor pump and have had problems with it.
The chuck fits a Schraeder valve directly and can fit a presta valve
with a brass adaptor.  The problem is that the chuck slips off the
valve or adaptor, even at low pressures.  I'd like to buy a new pump
to replace it (this one will go to Ken).  I'm looking for a pump which
is durable and which handles presta and schraeder valves, preferably
without an adaptor.  Pumps I'm considering so far are the Zefal Double
Shot, the Zefal Husky, and the Park TP-1.

My second question is which trip computer to buy for a Kestrel.
Something light with a front wheel sensor only would be appropriate.
Auto start/stop timing would be nice.  I know the CatEye Mity2 has the
required features at 50 grams.  What about the Avocet C40?  Does it
have auto start/stop?  It weighs only 44 grams and comes in white (the
bike is white).  Also, it has better buttons.

Anyone have any preferences?  Please respond by email since I don't
read news regularly.  I'll post a summary if there is sufficient
response.  Thanks.

Danny Epstein
dje@scs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Saddles
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:06:55 GMT

In the MBA 1993 Buyers Guide, there is a whole section on saddles (mostly
the Ti railed, Flite look-alike ones) which includes weight and prices.

Cheers...Stu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: sruland@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane F Ruland)
Subject: Mountain bikes in the $1700-?? Range
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:33:52 GMT



Try a Specialized "S" works, or a Merlin Titanium.
Avoid Klein, unless you just want to decorate your
apartment with it.

What about a Kestrel?  Bicycling Magazine built up
a sub-17 lb Kestrel MTB :)


Just don't buy a fully suspended bike (not yet)


Shane.

Problem with my TREK 9000:  Either it Goes
                            Or I Go
                            But we don't go together!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace