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From: shin@duck.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Re-post of Korean Misogyny Statistcs Requested
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:18:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.235743.16246@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>[Mr. Shin thinks that misogyny means ethnocentricity.]

As much as Dwight Joe is chased out of s.c.korean, s.c.asian.american and
s.c.japan.

>Mr. Shin and his comrade Mr. Mark Choi (yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu) would
>have a perceptible improvement in credibility if they would only use proper
>English and actually look up words that they don't know.

Do I read it correctly?  Dwight Joe preaching credibility?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Discipline in Korea
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:01:24 GMT

I wrote:
>> 3. Korean immigrant society is different in each country.  The one in the
>> U.S. is probably the best educated and the best mannered bunch.  

(Henry E Chon) writes:
>James, James, James, I don't know what to say to this one!
>
>I guess the reason why other countries don't welcome American folks is 
>precisely this attitude of yours.  Well, if you really insist, the best 
>educated, maybe but certainly not the best mannered.

Now I respond:

My original statement above ended up being a self defeating one.  Besides,
manner is something very hard to define.  Let me re-state.

The one in the U.S. is probably the best educated bunch.

I am not sure about this anymore.  Any further corrections are welcome.

James Choi
From: hpark@husc8.harvard.edu (hayn park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Response to Mr. James Choi's post
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:59:58 GMT

I am afraid that I do not share Mr. Choi's views.  First of all beating is
hardly the word for it.  Although it can be argued that it is physical
harm whatever we decide to call, "beating" does not carry the connotations
that the Korean "Mae" does.

Mae, when applied properly, is not designed to paralyze or cripple or to
incapacitate.  Instead of being a prolonged series of hits, Mae
mat-neun-da refers to a stern, sharp, and hopefully quick display of
disappointment more than anger on part of whoever holds the hwe-cho-ri. 
It is the disappointment and sense of having put someone down that is
really painful.  Without the mae, the child may not realize this or take
it too lightly if only a verbal warning is issued.

The keyword here is _properly_.  Although I risk sounding like a heartless
beast, I will state what I feel bluntly and succinctly.  Only some
children seem to be capable of correcting their behavior through verbal
punishment alone.  Children are psychological kaleidoscopes, often leaping
from one thought to another.  A sharp display of disappointment that they
will remember is far more effective than a verbal diatribe that goes on
forever.  They are probably thinking other thoughts anyway when they get
lectured. (I know I did :)

When done properly, the elder should state his intentions to give him a
whack (shins, palm -- the face is _not_ a good place, since it hurts a lot
more, both physically and psychologically), and why.  Then the quick
whack.  Then relations resume normally, without the usual brooding and
tension: (somewhat cathartic?).  During the whole process, the elder
whacks the child reluctantly, and not out of anger.  This is important! 
The child must learn that he is getting hit because of something he did,
and not because the man with the hwe-cho-ri is vexed.   There is much
truth to the statement "This is going to hurt me more than it does you"

Somehow the child must learn that his actions always carry consequences,
and often bad ones.  "Mae" is probably the quickest and most effective
method.  In its best application, it stops once the child has learned that
virtue that has been so crucial to the survival and successes of many
Asians (or anyone else): self control/self discipline.

My friends on SCK, do your worst on this one.  

P.S. Mr James Choi, I hope you are not serious about drug therapy!

respectfully yours,

Hayn Park
hpark@husc.harvard.edu
Some one who got hit quite a few times in his infancy and, now that he
thinks over it, feels grateful for the many people that cared enough to
set him straight while he still had a chance.
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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Food for thought...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:47:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.220743.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon) writes:
[...]
>Naturally, we keep a few pens on the countertop so that they can use it to 
>write cheques.  I lose, on average, 5 to 10
>pens a day

I am sure I am one of those unintentional thieves at one time.

>She told me all she had to to was tie a short string on her pen so that it
>gives the impression that her pen is tied to something and thus cannot be 
>removed. 

>Once somebody tole me how the huge elephants at the circus show can be tied
>to such a weak rope and never even bother to try and break loose.

>What similarities between the two cases!  I was amazed...

If the person had an intention to steal, then the psychoanalysis above
would be true.  However, in my case, I unintentionally steal because I
forget whose it was.  Besides, I am used carrying a pen!  I think that
little string just distinguishes it sufficiently so that they realize "this
is not mine!".  

So, my theory is that if you can find a cheap but very ridiculous looking
pens that no one uses, then you will not lose any.  If you still lose it,
and if the string is the only thing that keeps pens in place, then you are
right.

>Henry E Chon

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Maybe you'all don't understand!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:28:11 GMT

A thought of the day.

In article <cfHIcB600Uh_00wWNr@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>It does make a
>great diiference to me that I am Japanese because I am human and that's
>the what God made me.

James Choi
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From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
Subject: Used CD Stores in Korea? (Was: CD Prices in Korea for both classical and pop?)
Summary: Are there used CD stores in Korea; where? and how much?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:57:45 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management
Keywords: Used CD Stores in Korea?

In article <tyoon.726352643@husc.harvard.edu> tyoon@husc8.harvard.edu (Tehshik Yoon) writes:
>Subject: Re: CD Prices in Korea for both classical and pop?...
>>Hi, K-netters:...
>> [list of CDs deleted]
>......
>Well, actually, I just got back, and the CDs, regardless of category,
>tended to cost man won (10.000 W) in most "reputable" stores and prices
>on the street were a bit lower.  One store in Itaewon (is that the
>accepted roman spelling?) sold CDs for 9000 W, and there was a vendor
>in the basement of Lotte who was selling a few american disks for 7000 W.

*** Following up,
    Are there used CD (foreign major brand for classical and pop) stores
    in Korea; I mean where?; How much is a typical used CD?
Thanks,
----------------------------------------------
chpark@vm.cc.purdue.edu
pchpark@ktrc.kotel.co.kr
----------------------------------------------
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Lotte (was:Re: Hyundai Hunday Hyunday  HeeeYonnDayyyy)
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:49:38 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1608@blue.cis.pitt.edu> babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
>Yeah, i don't know why a korean company is calling itself 
>
>"LOTTE"

I believe it is a Japanese company founded by a Korean-Japanese.
Corrections are welcome.

James Choi
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: My Thought on Wife Beating
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:00:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 11627,  timothy lee <tlee@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
entertains us with one of the most incredibly convoluted and
illogical diatribes I've ever heard in support of domestic
violence.  If you didn't read it, check it out.  I'm reposting it
to alt.stupidity because I think it deserves a wider audience.

Life in Bloomington got you a little confused, Tim?
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: wife beating
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:28:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 11544, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
writes:

>There is a slight danger in assuming all other women think and
>feel the
>same way your wife (or your SO or mother) does.  Consider the
>slight
>possibility that other women may not enjoy being beaten as much
>as the
>people you heard it from.  And also, consider the possibility
>that some men
>may not enjoy beating wife as much as you do.

>Is that how you make your wife (or SO or mother) "loved and
>wanted?"  Just
>curious.  Strange, my SO likes receiving roses.

>May everyone find a proper mate for his/her taste.

>James Choi


Gosh, James, I've never thought of it that way.  You've got a
good point there, and I'll bet you're right.  Thanks for helping
me put this in perspective.  You've changed the way I think about
this, and probably my whole life.  Thanks a lot, buddy.  You're a
great guy, and real smart, too.


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From: lee@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (changhack lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Han-jung Kim's mention about D.J
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:21:36 GMT

I think the main reason to be pointed out is the hostility between Young-Nam and
Chun-Nam.
The poll has been doubtful data in Korea. It has been very hard to believe the
announcement of the media because it has been distorted by the military
goverment. Chosun-il-bo is one of the worst enemy to D.J. A lot of people might
have remembered the conflict between Chosun-il-bo and D.J. in 1989 after his
visiting Europe. I can guess there should be another kind of poll in the hand of
Minju-Dang. 

How somebody believe the results of the poll depends if he knows the reason that
produces the result of the poll. Minju's brain might think that New D.J Idea has
been succeed and people have begun to recognize themselves as a victims of the
rigional hostality called Ji-Yok-Kam-Jeong by the Busan scandal. So Minju-party
seemed be very confident about their victory.

However, people have become afraid of the future because they thought if the 
other local community win, their region will be alienated from the economic
development. Actually ,president Park and Chun showed too much. Boo-Dong-Pyo was
following the leader of their local representative.

So, Y.S. and D.J. didn't make or earn a vote, they just picked up their vote.
(Their votes means it has belonged to them since 1987 election.) 

Anyway, I agree with Mr. Kim in fact that Minju-party didn't read people
correctly, but I understand differently. I cannot agree with Mr. Kim about the
ideology aspect of D.J. campaign.
D.J. got almost 80% in Chun-La-Do. I heard that it was easy in counting the
votes to select the vote which didn't belong to D.J, there. However, we know that
Chun-La-Do is one of the region destroyed critically by Korean war and they also
hate the N.K. goverment. It is very hard to find the big difference in the
feeling about N.K. between the regions. So, by the your mention, it is almost
impossible tosee the reason of the votes difference betwwen the regions.

In Seoul , the votes shows the percentage of the native region of the people.
As long as Y.S. represents Young-Nam, D.J. is in opposite side. It is tragedy and
seems like immature facts. But it is true and has been build throuth the T.K.
military goverment.

Now, Y.S. is new president and D.J. retired, so the Two-Kim period will end.

Anyway, in my view, to analyze political trends, one should see the statistics
to search what determines these results.
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Clarification on My Thought
Date: 13 Jan 1993 02:35:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 11731, tlee@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (timothy lee)
writes:

>As I said before, I don't condone wife beating.

That's a step in the right direction, Tim.

>Some Americans don't beat their wives, but I have
>seen that they psychologically and mentally crush their wives
>with
>their cruelty and sarcasm and selfishness and ruthlessness and
>heartlessness.

Absolutely true.  And, speaking as an American, I would like to
say that I think this kind of behavior is wrong.  I am not going
to defend psychological abuse of a family member simply because
it seems to be acceptable in my culture.  The norms of my culture
do not take precedence over more universal human values.  If
something is wrong, it's wrong no matter who does it or how many
people do it or where it's done.

The Nazis had some pretty peculiar cultural practices; does
cultural relativism apply to their case?

Abusing people either physically or psychologically is wrong,
period.

(unless you're abusing Nancy Kwak -- ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! :) 
Just joking, Nancy!  :>)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hsong%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hwal Song)
Subject: Looking for Hwang-bo Seong-dae
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:51:39 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

I am forwarding the following mail for my friend.
If any one know where he is, please let me know.
Also, does anyone know email address of Rutgers Univ.?

--------------------------------------------------------

hwal,  can you find a korean guy named 'hwangbo seong-dae'?  
his surname is pretty peculiar, isn't it?  
he and i studied CS in Nothern Texas SU.  
he went to Rutgers Univ.  in 1987(?).  
I guess he should be about to finish his doctoral course if he
applied for doctor degree.  
unfortunately i'm not sure whether he applied another school for doctor or not.
anyway you may call rutgers univ CS dept. and check how to contact him.  
maybe he didn't apply for doctor and got a job after finishing his MS degree.

please find out any info on how to contact him.

boja


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
From: sprute@dsf58a.desy.de (Lars Sprute)
Subject: Re: wife beating
Organization: DESY, Hamburg, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:18:12 GMT

ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
: Mr. Mauritz writes:
: 
: .
: 
:     
: >This is obviously a different person posting.  All the other bullshit
:                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >seen emanating from ra01 was 7-10 year old level at best and suddenly
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >we see complete sentences!  Next time I see this guy logged in, I'm
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: The fact is that I could always write english. I am a grad. student in a top 30
: University in America ya'know. As a matter of fact I wrote during the last term
: a 15 page technical report on the historical and comtemprary
: applications of ceramics use as pollution control devices. The Paper was
: a success and it was very pleasing  an informative to my
: department(Civil Eng.) I researched the  paper in the Material Science
: department.
: 

applause, applause, applause.....

deeply impressed,

Lars

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From: Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park )
Subject: Re: self-insufficiency
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:31:20 GMT
Organization: Krannert Graduate School of Management

In article <1993Jan9.183119.19825@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
>Subject: self-insufficiency
>Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:31:19 GMT
>One of my American friends told me that I'm a self-insufficient and 
>pitiful man because I don't know how to cook.
>But do I really have to be self-sufficient? I'm living in
>capitalism, so only if I can produce something which I can trade with
>other things, I don't have to be self-sufficient, right?

*** <Chon> and <Choi> made good comments so that adding may be redundant.
    I, a Disciple of the Logos, wanna comment from a slightly different
    perspective.
    Let me say first of all I have compassion with you on that matter.
    First, I wanna ask "Was the friend's comment really a *shock* to you
           to the extent that you have to post on that matter?"
    If yes, then IMHO (I guess this stands for "in my humble opinion") the
           problem lies not in whether you cook or not, but in the fact
           that you are troubled by such a comment; in that sense, the foe
           you have to fight against is not the matter of cook but your
           "mind set" that responds "ultra-sensically" to such a comment,
           which may be interpreted by someone as an evidence of another
           kind that you are not self-insufficient (in that sense).
           Oh, <<tchoi>> cheer up; and
       --- Beware of what you hear --- (from a Book of Disciples of Logos)
           So first of all I have compassion on your post;    
    If no, can I ask "Why do you post it?"
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From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: Re: Hyundai Hunday Hyunday  HeeeYonnDayyyy
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:41:55 GMT

In article <1491@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) writes:
> 
> 
> Why do english speaking people have such difficulty pronouncing
> the middle Y in Hyundai ?
> 
> Talking to the Hyundai Deeler in the US and keep hearing
> "hun day"
> 
> Is something different about the shape of the tounge ?
> Or does america think the middle Y after the H is silent ?
> 
> Maybe they should have spelled it Heeyunday from the start.
> 
> I hear there are other korean words that englishers cannot 
> pronounce either. What are they ?
> 
Speaking as a native speaker of English who didn't come to Korean until I
was in my mid-twenties, I'd say the hardest thing for me is to say the
difference between siyot and ssang siyot correctly (e.g. "sal" vs. "ssal").
 Also, most English speakers initially find it very difficult to say kiyok,
piyop, and tigut at the beginning of the word, since we only have that
sound in word medial position in English (cf. the breath which is emitted
in "pot" as opposed to "spot"-- piyop is equivalent to the p of "spot" in
word-inital position).  At this point I can correctly say (I think) "moon",
"mask" and "daughter"--tal, t'al and ttal-- but it took a lot of getting
used to.  As for Hyundae, I think it's only ignorance that causes the
mispronunciation; there's nothing intrinsically difficult about the sound. 
BTW, I hope the question about the shape of the tongue was a joke....

Stephen
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Dreaming Snows
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:48:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

Thanks very much for both generous appreciation and sharp critiques to my
threads. Now I just want to be forgotten regarding my noisy postings on post-
election evaluations.
I was rather interested in Korean economy issues. That's why I posted
some short ideas. Unfortunately, I could not get any response to those.
Now I realize that it's time for me to go back my work and to enjoy some
romantic writings by Heja(SP?) sister, pinpointing short comments by DaeSik,
and some sarcastic writings by individualisists, especially
devoted writer James Choi (thanks Mr.Choi. I have learned a lot from your 
writing and vast tastes.)

I am still keeping my fingers crossed for Mr.Minho Jo's ultimate career goals.
Thank you very much.

  Byungtae Lee:
  The guy who is missing "snow" and really "cold" winds from Texas.
  P.S.  The damn weather still records over 70 F time to time.
        Is there any one out there who can draw beutiful snow for this 
        dry net?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: change in language and culture
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:11:18 GMT

I wrote:
>It is well known that the language
>changes much more slowly in colonies than in motherland.  For example,
>Koreans in Yeon-byeon, China retains many old Korean words that are out of
>use in Korea proper.

Mr. Woody Jin replied:

>This is because China lacks the availability of communcation mediums, 
>comparing with other countries.

Of course, the isolation is the key.  But what is funny is that the
immigrant society tend to remain the way they were when they left the
motherland.  Lack of communication surely explains why they do not follow
motherland.  But it does not explain why they do not diverge out on their
own.

Even with open communications, immigrants may be updated.  But not
necessarily follow the trends in motherland.

>I remember that in Chicago (and probably many other big cities in USA), 
>Korean TV cables have been available for a long time.  

Yes, I have seen ads for this.

>Newspapers are printed 
>almost at the same time (one day delay ?).

I believe there is no delay now.  AND now they are delivered directly.  So
there is no mail delay either.  Han-kuk-il-bo in Chicago is a de facto
newspaper where you can see yesterday's happening next morning.  And it is
in color on the front page.

> Woody Jin (wjin@cs.uh.edu) 

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Re: The Korean Constitution and Presidency.
Organization: Grumman Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:29:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.165724.1835@ms.uky.edu> satadd00@nx12.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken) writes:
>   In most democracies that have a president as well as a parliament of some
>   kind, such a situation would lead to a run-off election (the top two are
>   run against each other) or to repeated votes of the Parliamentary body
>   until someone wins by a clear majority.  Is there no such provision in the
>   S. Korean constitution?

Yeah, and one of these days it may even be required in the U.S.
-- 
    _   /|
    \`o_O'
      ( )    Aachk! Phft!
       U     billd@gdstech.grumman.com
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