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From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Blues tie Oilers 4-4
Keywords: St. Louis, Blues, Edmonton, Oilers, Brett Hull
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:47:53 GMT
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood

jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:



>   The Blues made an impressive comeback from a 3-0 deficit to tie the
>Edmonton Oilers 4-4 at the St. Louis Arena.
>The Oilers started the first period on fire and led 3-0 midway through
>that period. Craig Muni sent Joseph Beranek on a break in on right wing,
>Curtis Joseph made the save on Beranek's shot but Blues defenseman Rick
>Zombo missed his check on Beranek and crashed into Joseph. With Joseph 
>and Zombo out of the play, Kelly Buchberger backhanded the puck into the
>net giving the Oilers a 1-0 lead at 3:24.

>Two minutes later, the blues gave up another soft goal.  No one contested
>Hawgood as he skated from behind the net, through the left circle, spun
>and wristed a shot over Joseph's right shoulder at 5:38. Joseph allowed 
>those two goals on just 4 shots.

I wouldn't actually call Hawgood's goal "soft"...although it was mostly
due to no one picking up Hawgood as he circled around the net with the
puck.  He made a wicked wrist shot that went off the post and in - no
fault of Curt Joseph's there...just his team-mates.

>Miller gave the Blues' their first lead of the game, picking the top corner
>over Ranford's right shoulder at 7:05. Janney set up the play, carrying the
>puck into the Oilers' zone and skating between four Oilers before passing to
>Miller. Joseph also picked up his first assist of the season.

THIS was a goal that Ranford usually stops.  It looked like he was
surprised by the shot somehow, I believe it was just inside the blue
line at the top of the faceoff circle.

>The game's three stars:   1 - Craig Janney (2 assists)
>                          2 - Dave Manson (1 goal and 1 assist)
>                          3 - Rich Sutter (1 goal)

I've heard two other lists for 3 stars, but can't recall them now.
Janney was on both other lists, Manson on one.  Hmmm...<rats>

>- The Blues are winless in their last 4 games 0-3-1 and are in last place
>  in the Norris Division with an overall record of 5-9-2 for 12 points.

Both the Blues (0-0-2) and Oilers (1-0-3) are unbeaten in overtime this year.

Bart, Edmonton Alberta Canada
bart@splunge.uucp
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: The Senators finish first!!!  (Sort of...)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:04:48 GMT

In article <9211121956.AA28975@makwa.USask.ca> chin836@skdad.usask.ca writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.053057.26768@bcrka451.bnr.ca> simpson@bnr.ca writes:
>>Anyway, this is all coming out because the Senators have mailed the season
>>ticket holders renewal bills for next year *already*.  Add to that a 2-5%
>>increase in ticket prices, a slumping team and the fact that it's barely
>>November and people are being asked to pay for games that won't be happening
>>for another 11 months, you've got the fixyn's for some unenthralled people.
>
>The Cenators can sell off the hype that is sure to surround Alexandre Daigle, a
>17-year-old super-prospect in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, come next
>spring.  Daigle is on pace to score about 260-270 points over a full season,
>which he is unlikely to play because of the World Juniors this winter.  This
>leads me to the question:  How did Mario play 70 games in the 1983-84 QMJHL
>season?  I guess he didn't play in the World Juniors that winter.
>

Whose to say Daigle won't pull a Lindros...can you see these Ottawa
clowns forking over lets say half of Lindros's salary per year to
sign Daigle...say $1.5 mil per year or so...these guys who were too cheap
to sign minor league free agents like Rob Zamuner, Chris Kontos, etc.,
etc...

If you were a top junior, looking at the Senator organization, would
you want to play there?                         

Gerald
From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: wendel clark trade?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:29:01 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)

In article <MJN.92Nov5035300@pseudo.uucp> mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt) writes:
>
>Mr. Spock <ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>
>>there is a rumour milling about here in toronto about wendel clark
>>being traded to edmonton for esa tikkinan (sp?) ...has anyone out
>>heard more info about thi s in oiler land?
>
>>what do you leaf fans think? i say no way!!!
>
>Sather has always wanted to acquire Clark.  By letting go of Tikkanen
>and his salary, he'd be able to keep one of Lowe or Murphy (probably
>Murphy).
>
>Given Wendel's past injury problems, I would say such a trade would
>pretty heavily favor the Leafs.  While he's off to a slow start this
>season, Tikkanen is an excellent defensive player (which Wendel will
>never be) and has shown an ability to put the puck in the net as well.
>
>Overall, I would guess that the trade would have to include another
>Leaf for Sather to go for it, but it's definitely a possibility.
>
>-- 
>Murray


Any stats on Clark and Tikkanen?
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From: bruins-fan@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Best Lines?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.183155.9934@odin.corp.sgi.com>, rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
|> One of my pals was boasting that the Sandstrom line in LA was
|> the 4th best line in hockey.
|> 
|> Given that Pittsburgh has the best two (heh heh), what would be
|> some possible 3rd's?
|> 
|> -- 
|> +===================================================================+
|> | Rick Casares			            Silicon Graphics        |	
|> | cubfan@wrigley.corp.sgi.com		    2011 N. Shoreline Blvd  |
|> | "Just wait till next year."               Mountain View, CA 94039 |
|> +===================================================================+

Here are my three best lines:

	 Lemieux-Stevens-Tochoct, Pitsburge
	 Oats-Juneue-Kvarltonov, Boston
	 LaFontaine-Mogilny-Andruchuk, Buffalo

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)
Subject: Re: SABRES Update: Malarchuk, Fuhr
Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.125348.26236@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:
[RE: Fuhr trade to Sabres]
>
>This trade will not happen because the Leafs are playing great!  Why break
>
>up the team chemistry when they are winning.  If they are in a losing streak,
>it'll be a  different story.
>

I fail to see how this is a logical reason for not trading Fuhr.
Yes, the Leafs are playing well, but I don't see how trading
Grant Fuhr will "break up the team chemistry". Despite their
improved play of late, the Leafs still need some scoring punch.
In addition, the Leafs also need more young talent. I just
think that Potvin has proven over the past 2 years that he's
more than ready to step in and play 50 games in the NHL. Thus, I
do believe the Fuhr is expendable. I really wouldn't wait around
much longer before unloading Grant Fuhr. Felix Potvin has
nothing left to learn as a St. John's Maple Leaf. He needs
playing time in the NHL. I think that Cliff Fletcher realizes
this.

Being a Sabre fan, I would love to see Fuhr land in Buffalo.
However, I think that the Leafs would be nuts to give up
Fuhr for Bodger and Hawerchuk as had been rumoured. Neither guy
is young and neither will be around as a dominant force when the
Leafs begin to seriously contend. If I was Cliff Fletcher, the
only players I would be interested in are Mogilny and
LaFontaine. Of course, the Sabres won't deal them (or at least I
hope not). I think a more logical
sugguestion would be to unload Fuhr to a team with an abundance
of young talent. The Wings come to mind, but I doubt the Leafs
will want to trade Fuhr within the divison. Anyone out there
have any suggestions? Are there any teams out there on the verge
of contention who needs a good solid money goalie to challenge
for the cup? 

Anyway, just my two cents!

Gary
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Rangers interest in Dave Manson continues
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:08:06 GMT


The NYT SportsSunday article on the Rangers-Bruins game noted that
Rangers GM Neil Smith has been out of town to watch the Oilers' last
couple of games to check out Dave Manson and maybe swing a deal (this
is indirectly verified by my youngest sister's sighting of him at a
downtown Keg'N'Cleaver in Winnipeg on Thursday night, but what his
real business was -- who knows?).  With Dave Archibald now gone to
Ottawa, that's one less chit for Smith to dangle at Glen Sather,
unfortunately ...

gld
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> gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.EDU 		Gretzky gets the rebound -
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			he shoots, he scores!
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:59:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.230742.23405@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Being humiliated by the Russians is not exactly good publicity for
>the NHL, even if they may be mostly NHL Russians doing it.       

How is the "NHL" being humiliated by the "Russians", if a team of NHL
players from the areas formerly known as the Soviet Union beat a team of
NHL players from Canada?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Nov.11 Wednesday's game of the night!
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:25:51 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Tonight's NHL 5 star game of the night is from the J. Brendan Byre arena
where the New Jersey Devils take on the Montreal Canadiens at 7:40 p.m.
(incidentally all games start at 7:40 p.m. tonight)  Herb Brooks has taken
the Devils out of the gate nicely at 8-6.  Jacques Demers has fared even
better at 11-3-2.  Good good early season test for both games.  This is a
must see game!  ESPN, where are you?!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 stars (close matchups)
Bruins at Sabres.  What's this - the Bruins are actually playing a game this
week?  Amazing!  They go off to face the stuggling Sabres, who have sunken
to 6-6-2.  Then, prepare for a true test against Calgary tomorrow night.
Buffalo trying not to pull the typical start off good, slump back down
routine.
Red Wings at Lightning.  The Lightning, on a 3-0-1 role, fresh off a beating
of the Rangers, look to keep things rolling against the Wings.  Should the
Lightning win, they will be 8-8-2.  Have we seen a team an expansion team at
8-8-2 latley?  Who would've thought!  Linesmakers have the odds Even on this
game.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 stars (not bad)
Capitals at Rangers.  This was always a 5 star game last year.  Rangers off
a disappointing loss to Lightning.  Surging Caps looking to pick up some
points in the Patrick Divsion.  Caps won the season series 5-2 last year,
Rangers try to improve on that and are hoping for good fortune in the garden
this time around.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 star (What's that?  A new sport - pigh wrestling is on tonight?)
Flames at Whalers.  Calgary once again is living at the top as they're on
an East Coast trip.  Odds are in the favor to pick up two points in this one.
Nordiques at Senators.  Only way the Senators can win this one is if Nordiques
are thinking too much about their game with the Penguins tomorrow night.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"It's A Great Day For Hockey!"  Enjoy the games in your area!       -Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs125c51@dcl-nxt31.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student)
Subject: Re: National (ESPN) versus regional (SC) television
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:41:29 GMT

In article <1drhomINN172@fnnews.fnal.gov> jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Jeff  
Kallenbach) writes:
> While I realize that the NHL badly needs continental exposure (twice as many
> homes this year as last), there seems to be a couple of serious drawbacks to
> this years system.
> 
> 1. SC/Chicago caried alot more games last year than ESPN is this year.  It
>    seemed we got 3-4 games every week last year in addition to the Hawks road 
>    games (lots of 9:30 games from San Jose and LA).  
> 


SC/Chicago carried a lot more games because they are the local airing of  
Chicago's games.  ESPN is National.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Wendel Clark Trade?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:02:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.215031.28850@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves) writes:
>darryl@cs.yorku.ca (Darryl Gamble) writes:
>
>>Darryl Gamble        darryl@cs.yorku.ca
>>York University, Toronto
>>NET Contact for the Toronto Maple Leafs...but I still hate them.
>
>	Who in the hell asked you to be the net contact for the Leafs
>anyway?  If you are going to report Leafs' happenings, why don't you
>just report them without your dickhead comments about how much you hate
>them?
>	Get a life, asshole!

YOU get a life.  Who says that one must be a fan to be a team contact anyway?
And it is *very* inappropriate to attack someone else's .sig anyway.

Besides, if you think that Darryl is not doing a good job, why didn't you
volunteer in the first place?  It's always easier said than done.  There was
*no* Toronto contact for a major part of last season, until Darryl volunteered.

===============================================================================
"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: stud7b43@bmerh925.bnr.ca (Mike Squance)
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretsky...his REAL whereabouts
Keywords: chicken pluckers unite!
Reply-To: newuser@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:26:16 GMT


In article <51422@seismo.CSS.GOV>, cooper@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dale Cooper) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov4.171128@masg1.epfl.ch> silver@masg1.epfl.ch
(Edward Silver) writes:
|> >>I've been in Europe and missed the NHL news during training and at
the start
|> >>of the season. Since being hooked into this newsgroup I haven't
seen Gretsky's
|> >>name even mentioned and he's not in the list of scorers.  Is he injured or
|> >>what has happened to him?
|> 
|> To which Jerry (RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu) responded:
|> >>Where've you been?  Gretzky died in a plane crash a couple months ago - it
|> >>was world wide news!  The had a big ceremony and everything.  The
Kings had a
|> >>big tribute and that's why they're challenging the Flames for 1st
right now!
|> >>-Jerry
|> 
|> Jeannette Juntunen (juntunen@nevada.edu) then responded with:
|> >No, he isn't dead!
|> >He is out with a bad back for awhile; he hasn't played this season.
|> >
|> >            *           *            *            *           * 
|> >                  Jeannette Juntunen - juntunen@nevada.edu 
|> >                          Systems Computing Services           
|> >       When you change yourself, you also change the world around you. 
|> 
|> Soon to be followed by Jim Harrie (jimh@sequent.com) who responds with:
|> >Jerry forgot the smiley on this. Gretzky is out indefinitely with back
|> >problems. That's what happens when you get old. 8-)
|> 
|> You are all wrong!  According to an reliable source close to the Kings 
|> organization and confirmed by an unnamed source at the CIA here in
|> Washington, Gretzky was kidnapped by space aliens prior to the start of 
|> training camp.  He has not been seen in the Los Angeles metro area since 
|> July.  The injury reports and the plane crash story are purely cover-ups.
|> 
|> Think about it!  Have YOU seen him since July?  Do you believe EVERYTHING
|> that you read in the newspaper?
|> 
	Actually, he was in Toronto for one of the World Series games. Someone
	interviewed him at some point. I think the only explanation is that
	John Olerud is a Russian spy, and was kidnapped by the CIA. Gretzky
	must have been filling in for him as part of the coverup. 
	
	Think about it! Have YOU seen John Olerud since July?
|> Dale Cooper
|> Center for Seismic Studs		"Dale Hunter is God...
|> Arlington, VA				    ...but you knew that already"
From: millis@ckgp.UUCP (Tom Millis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Where are the injury reports
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:17:22 GMT
Organization: CKGP Assoc. Inc. Birmingham, MI

Last year, some kind soul, posted weekly (?) injury reports.
Where are they this year?  They come in very handy for us
avid hockey poolers.

Just wondering.

GO WINGS!!!

Tom Millis

uunet!ckgp!millis
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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Possible 1994 Olympic Hockey Rosters
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:17:02 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Nov10.025518.569@HQ.Ileaf.COM> raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.210823.22171@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>> In article <1dappmINNd2k@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
>> >USA:
>> >
>> >Forwards: Jeremy Roenick, Pat LaFontaine, Kevin Stevens, Joel Otto, Ed Olczyk,
>> >          Mike Modano, Joey Mullen, Brett Hull, Shawn McEachern, Tony Amonte,
>> >          Darren Turcotte, Keith Tkachuk, Kevin Miller, Randy Wood, 
>> >          John LeClair
>> >
>
>    Joel Otto and Brett Hull are Canadians! sorry

Sorry, but Joel Otto is definitely American and played for
the US Canada Cup team.  Brett is a duel citizen of US and 
Canada, but he chose to also play for the US team in the Canada 
Cup.  I heard that he was pissed that he was cut from the 
Canadian Olympic team and vowed never to play for Canada in 
international competition.  I don't think he would have made the 
Canadian Canada Cup team anyways.

>
>
>> >Defense: Brian Leetch, Chris Chelios, Kevin Hatcher, Gary Suter, Phil Housley
>> >         Dave Ellett, Paul Ranheim, Eric Weinrich, Scott Lachance
>> >
>
>Clearly at the blueline the USA would have it's greatest strength!
>
I would have to agree with you there.

>
>chris
>-- 
>
>		Mephistopheles ... ruthless, sleepless, unsmiling,
>                concentration on self or humorous, civilised, sensible
>                and adaptable 

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: shoe@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:14:45 GMT

In article <Bx7F4s.2Cp@chinet.chi.il.us> prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts) writes:
>
>Just off the the top of my head I can think of three Blackhawks
>All-Stars who are U.S. citizens: Chelios, Roenick and Belfour. How many
>other NHL All-Stars are there who would be eligible to play for the
>U.S.? What might a U.S. Dream Team lineup look like? How would it
>compare to a Canadian one?

I can think of a number of others.  Players like Phil Housley, Brett Hull, 
and the infamous Gary Suter, come rapidly to mind from the last Canada Cup.
I think the U.S. would do quite well.  In fact while I think the Canadians
would be favoured, the U.S. could give them a run for the gold.  I would not
discount Sweden or C.I.S. (if they could get everyone together).

Just some thoughts.
Mark S.
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:44:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.

In article <1992Nov5.045158.13588@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:

>SOVIET:
^^^^^^^
>
>Kamensky    Mogilny        Bure
>     ????           ???
>           ???

Ya know, the Soviet Union is no longer Soviet nor is it an union any longer.
:-)

I would probably put, to fill in the blanks at defensemen, Gusarov and
Tatarinov?  But in any case, there might be some problems anyway; the CIS
will not compete as a single team any more the next Olympics; the various
republics will have their own teams, and I hope, if all NHLers are allowed to
play for their country, that Arturs Irbe will shine for Latvia...

===============================================================================
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GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Luc Robitaille for Hart!
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From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: SATELLITE TV: UPDATED SCHEDULE FOR NOV
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:59:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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From: al.mellis@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Al Mellis) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: RE: CANUCKS TRADE
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: al.mellis@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Al Mellis) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - (604)291-0800


-> From: mattb@ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown)
->
-> This has got to be a first. "He was so good, he made the team look
-> bad." I guess that this implies that Semenov is not a scoring threat
-> himself, but more of an Oates-style setter-upper. If Semenov's first
-> game is any indication, the GM's better keep Quinn from rummaging
-> around in their basements.

First games are hardly any indication of what will be, as has been so
often illustrated in the NHL, usually it makes the coach wait far to
long to see if he was real, sure hope Semenov is.  However having said
that, did you catch last nights game with windypeg.  It seems that the
league has figured out how to handle the russiann style, stack
the blue line, the ruskies hate to shoot it in, so thier effectiveness
will drop until they adapt.

I have now watched several Canucks games and have this feeling that
there is something amiss with this team, Can't pin it down, but it seems
that they do well against teams they feel good about playing, but lack
self confidence when playing tight checking teams like in the adams
division and top ranked teams, they kinda of act like they know they
don't belong there or something, which is foolish, because they do, but
it seems like they don't beleive it.