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From: vembu@chunking.Princeton.EDU (Sridhar Vembu)
Subject: A Plea for Rational Discourse
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:33:15 GMT


I followed the somewhat personal kind of discussions on 
eve-teasing on the net. I agree that most men, including myself
are somewhat insensitive to this menace. An awareness was
created only after I was told how bad the problem was -
from a woman's perspective.
But in the net a few self-appointed moralists are engaging in
vicious personal attacks against anyone they think harbors 
"evil" ways of thinking. I dont see how this helps to improve
anything. May be these men casting stones are perfect.
I am not and I hope to learn from the postings of the 
appallingly few women in the net. Before a woman convinced me
otherwise, I used to think of it as perhaps a minor nuisance for women.
But I realize that it is a fundamental violation of women's
human rights - when they can't travel as freely as men have
always traveled.

On to solutions: I think one answer is, as one netter pointed out,
education in schools. Also perhaps coeducation would also go
someway towards solving it - I think segregating boys and
girls only increases the aggressive behaviour of boys towards
girls - and may be an "adult" manifestation is this.
I myself studied in a strictly segregated school and then in IIT
and so had no female friends till I came here. Maybe if I had
some such friends in India, I would have come to appreciate this more.

My attitude was more abstract and was focussed mainly on such
things that appear in familes and are heavily publicized - such as
dowry. 

I hope the inquisition squads of the net will relax and let us have
a more rational discourse.

Sridhar Vembu

vembu@ee.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK)
Subject: KINDAL VARIGAL 1
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:22:28 GMT

En eniya Thamizh Makkale

Everyone knows of MINNAL VARIGAL,I would like to start some humourous 
thread called KINDAL VARIGAL, The main motive is to ease of the tension
in net,Add some humour to a rather very serious SOC Group.

Any one can contribute directly to the net.

Some Example KINDAL VARIGALS

	" Kadvull enum mudalali 
	  Kand-edutha  aEmali
          vivasayi "

     From Vivasayi

          " Mankudisai vasal endral vellichum thara maruthiduma
	    Mambalathil veedu irundhal kosukal vara veruthiduma
	    unakaga ondru enakaga ondru oru podum kosukal
	    kadipadillai "

     From Padagotti

       
           "Chinna Chinna asai
	    SINGLE tea-ku asai
	    muthu muthu asai
	    mundanaiku asai"
   
      From Roja
            
      
I would like to see some real good humourous ones soon from fellow netters.







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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: MADRAS BOOK FAIR TOTALLY BURNT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:12:49 GMT



Last night I talked to my brother in Madras to enquire about sending Tamil 
books through Arul Suresh, one of the SCT `a' editors who is coming back from 
India.  But I was terribly sad to know that the whole Madras Book Fair was 
under major fire.  All the 165 shops were gutted with the total loss of Rs.60 
crores.  The reasons are still not clear though it is supposed to be an 
accident.


I specifically asked Arul Suresh and my brother to visit the annual book 
exhibition where you can get almost all rare Tamil publications (some English 
too) which are otherwise very difficult to find in normal bookshops.  When I 
was in Madras every year we keep all our savings to purchase books in the book
fair which used to be held in Xmas-New Year period in Arts college premises.  I
amd my friends visited almost everyday and felt like purchasing evry other 
books in stalls like Cre-A, Kavya, Kanimuthu, silikkuil, Chennai, South Indian 
Saiva Siththandha Nool Pathippu Kazhagam, NBT etc.  I came to know about the 
unpopular but great books of modern Tamil literature only through the book 
Fair.  The Book Fair in Madras very successful compared to similar ones held in
other cities.

It was a very very sad happening.  I hope the publishers should be able to
survive after this collapse.


S. Sankarapandi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: KINDAL VARIGAL 1
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:42:04 GMT

In <1993Jan9.012228.14244@vela.acs.oakland.edu> asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK) writes:

>En eniya Thamizh Makkale

>Everyone knows of MINNAL VARIGAL,I would like to start some humourous 
>thread called KINDAL VARIGAL, The main motive is to ease of the tension
>in net,Add some humour to a rather very serious SOC Group.

>Any one can contribute directly to the net.

>Some Example KINDAL VARIGALS

>	" Kadvull enum mudalali 
>	  Kand-edutha  aEmali
>          vivasayi "

>     From Vivasayi

>          " Mankudisai vasal endral vellichum thara maruthiduma
>	    Mambalathil veedu irundhal kosukal vara veruthiduma
>	    unakaga ondru enakaga ondru oru podum kosukal
>	    kadipadillai "

>     From Padagotti

>       
>           "Chinna Chinna asai
>	    SINGLE tea-ku asai
>	    muthu muthu asai
>	    mundanaiku asai"
>   
>      From Roja
>            
      meesai mEl aasai
      thOsai mEl aasai
`

   enRu addukkikittE pOlaamE!

Kathiravan

>      
>I would like to see some real good humourous ones soon from fellow netters.







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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: Eve teasing in Tamil Nadu
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:58:00 GMT

There have been two postings with personal attacks regarding
this subject from two MEN. Here is my reaction.

1. First I request that if any WOMEN reader was 'offended', please
HONESTLY take it as my 'ignorance' about Tamil Nadu. I clearly
stated that I have not lived or studied in TN, and said outside
'college' environment, I had not seen much eve teasing. I could be
WRONG. This was my experience during travel only, even in buses
and II class. If you claim it is terribly bad all over Tamil Nadu,
I should take your word, certainly. Those men who felt that way,
could have stated it that way too simply! Instead...

2. One of the two men attackers, related it to the thiruppaavai
postings. I apologize to him for posting the translations.
Kindly use a Kill file.

3. Considering the kind of language used, I am sure these two men
must have more experience about eve teasing. I take their word to be true.
After all, in my company there were no eve teasers. Not my fault!!

Finally, I request that there be no counter attacks or discussion
of their postings please. We are aware that these same posters
have often tried to undermine the quality of s.c.t by personal
attacks and improper language. Sending personal e-mail to them is
your personal choice.

K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec
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From: subraman@myria.cs.umn.edu (Satish Subramanian)
Subject: Re: Meaning of song in Roja
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:28:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.112609.1@vax1.umkc.edu> smuthu@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>Hi netters,
>I heard the following line in a song (Chinna chinna aasai) in the film Roja. 
> 	"Chitthiraikku mele selai katta aasai"
>Can someone kindly explain me the meaning of this line? Thanks in advance.
>
>--Senthilkumar 
>

	Oh No! Not again!
From: ganesh@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ganesh Tirupattur Ramaseshadri)
Subject: KINDAL VARIGAL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:40:41 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

	naan kaathu vaanga pOnEn
		oru kazhudai vaangi vandhEn
	adhai kEttu vaangi pOnaan
		andha dhobi yenna aanan.

From "naan daathu vaanga pOnEn" in Rickshawkaaran.


Ganesh.
From: krvst+@pitt.edu (Koppampatt R Venkatesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: An incident in a PTC bus...
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:49:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.1353
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Dear Balaji,

	After reading about your experience in a PTC bus, I was reminded of
a similar experience I had when I was in XII std. in P.S. Higher Sec. School,
Mylapore. One of my classmates was notorious for his glib talking and 
witty comments, especially when it comes to girls. We all hated the system 
in Madras PTC buses for reserving seats for women. Worse still, when men
used to carefully follow these rules and give up a women's seat for a 
standing woman, men were never returned the same courtesy when a woman sits
in one of the Gents' seats. 

	You may know that one stop before our school and one stop after our
school there is a girls' school. And the time the school closes each day
is almost the same for all the three schools. Me and my group of friends
(incl. the notorious eveteaser!) used to board the bus 19M which usually

comes just after our schools close. One day we were all seated (6 of us)
at the long back seat (which is meant for ladies) because there was no
other empty seat or rather we wanted to sit together. When the bus went
to next stop, a group of girls boarded the bus and they were standing
right next to where we were seated. I was about to get up from my seat
when my friend caught my hand and asked me to sit down. After a couple
of stops, one of the girls started talking (purposely aloud!) to her
friends,"Sila Jadamgallukku ponnunga nikkaraangale, ezhunghukkanumnu
thooNaradhillai!". My friend immediately created a space between me
and him  and responded, "Kaal romba valikkiradha pappa?! Vaamma, vandhu
ukkaru". The girl's face turned pale immediately and she complained to
the bus conductor. The conductor, being a good friend of us requested us
in polite words to leave the seat. But we refused to get up and the group
of girls were standing till we got down from the bus! After this incident,
whenever my friend was spotted on the bus, these girls used to move far
away from him even though there maybe empty seats nearby!

God, how I miss  those days!

Venkatesh.



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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:08:37 GMT

In article <kat.726348298@sybok> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <lkm80aINN846@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> satish@glob.Eng.Sun.COM (Satish Ramachandran - SunSoft Engineer) writes:
>
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>>Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...
>
>>>I have never lived or studied in Madras city. But from what I have
>>>seen, Italy, particularly south of Rome, beats any city in India.
>>>But people take it in light spirit, as long as nobody is 'hurt'.
>>>During my visits to Madras (and travel in non-college peak hours),
>>>it does not appear as alarming. 
>>> srini@ <somewhere>
>
>>[This was forwarded to me.  And I thought the issue was serious enough to
>>respond...]
>
>>The year is new but I think this is the most pig-headed statement we have
>>seen yet.  Strong words but I feel they are neccessary still.
>
>  I told a naNpar when I went to madras that the guys should be
>punished, rather whipped. This kind of teasing cannot be seen
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>or will not be tolerated in small towns and villages. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	This is another gross generalisation by KK.

	Eveteasing exists both in urban and rural areas. But their 
	manifestations are different. While the eveteasers in urban area
	easily get away, it results in group clashes in villages like
	inter-village, intercaste etc.

	Do you know that most of the caste clashes originate from eveteasing
	in rural areas?. The pattern of most of the caste clashes will be
	similar. A group of boys belonging to one caste teasing the girls
	of another caste in local cinema theaters (tents), village fairs etc.
	results in the attacks by the youth of that caste. 
                  
>Dont these teasers have sisters and mothers. 

	That is the basic reason. Dividing the women folk as sisters/mothers
	and others (and the boys 'liberally' look them as 'akka/aththai magaL')
	instead of looking them as fellow humans.
>
>
>Kathiravan
>

	M. Sundaramoorthy
	sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK)
Subject: KINDAL VARIGAL
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:23:55 GMT

          kumari uravum, kumaran ullamum
	  rendum ondrana  Omboothum{9} Neeyo

        
	From Kana kannum kangal meLLa.....


  
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From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A Tamil Teaching Software
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:27:42 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

Hi,

I am posting this for my friend who can be contacted at
the address given below.
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This is about a new Tamil Teacher Software, designed to 
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A tetris type word game in Tamil. The game teaches the
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given English meaning.

Features
_________

Works on all IBM compatible PCs,
Can use keyboard or mouse.
Works with any PC color or monochrome.
Tamil pronounciation using PC's internal speaker.
Lessons are in a game format and hence fun too.

These programs are to be released at NY Tamil Sangam Pongal Festival.
Each program above is priced at $19.95 +tax. To get 50% off, please 
request copies on or before the release date, Jan 16,1993.
The persons to be contacted are

1) R. Kabaliswaran  Ph (908)-940-0586
2) P. Kuppuswamy    Ph (410)-515-3611

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I personally found this pretty interesting and useful, and
I thought that this information fits this newsgroup. Hence I 
am posting this here. Standard disclaimers apply.


Bye,
Suresh Babu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: apadmana@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Taxi Driver)
Subject: Re: kindal varikal
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:56:01 GMT

>
>
>>	'Pandri'yai kandan 'pakisthan'ai padaithan
>>	payum vegathil 'Bangladesh'ai padaithan
>>	yethuvumE indri 'Ethyopia'vai padaithan
>>	yethanai kandan 'India' vai padaithan

>>		from : vantha naal mudhal
>>-- 
>
>>Ananda Padmanabhan                    
>>______________________________________________________________________________
	For those who feel that the lines

	'Pandri'yai kandan 'pakisthan'ai padaithan

	would hurt other nationals, here comes the meaning of those lines.

	GOD SAW PIG AND HE WANTED TO CREATE A SAFE PLACE FOR PIGS. SO HE 
	CREATED PAKISTHAN. ( BECAUSE THEY DON'T EAT PIGS)

	Why you guys take in the other way ?

-- 

Ananda Padmanabhan                    
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From: cviswana@usc.edu (Chandrasekar Viswanathan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Directory of Tamil students
Date: 10 Jan 1993 09:18:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi,
   I think that it would be a good idea to create a sort of directory of
Tamil students who read this newsgroup.You could send me your name,e-mail,
and any info you want to include.I could then collect them and post them in
soc.culture.tamil.This would help us in getting a lot of new friends 
throughout the world.We could even coin a name similar to pen friends.
Any suggestions?(maybe comp friends).
My e-mail address is cviswana@aludra.usc.edu

Chandrasekar Viswanathan

P.S. I am asking for Tamil students only because if I ask for Indian students
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: Eve-teasing.etc.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:48:32 GMT




In article <48212@ogicse.ogi.edu> krashok@mse.ogi.edu (Ashok Krishnamurthy) wri
tes:
>Hai netters,
>
>Seems like I spoke(wrote) too soon. From the acrimonious
>debate going on reg. eve-teasing in SCT, we seem to be
>emulating SCI(reminds me of the verbal duels between
>Deepak Bose & Mustafa,Vijay Fafat & Mustafa,etc.etc.)
>(In an ealier posting, I had expressed the view that the
>quality of articles in SCT was substantially better than
>that of SCI - at least, when we come to the terminal after
>a tiring day, one gets to see interesting articles on SCT
>and not degenerate trash as in SCI.)
>
>Why don't we dispense with this "personal" verbiage,eh?
>Someone said:
>
>              The best kind of people discuss ideas;
>              The medium kind discuss events;and
>              The worst kind discuss other people.
>
>If more of ideas are discussed and exchanged, I think we can
>all rectify our wrongly-held beliefs,attitudes and opinions.
>
>Ashok Krishnamurthy,
>Dept. of MS & E,
>OGI,Oregon,USA.
>


I agree.

S. Sankarapandi
From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: words on minnal varigal ....
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:16:40 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

>Sorry for the delay. Thanx to Sivabalanarayan, here are the results
>of the Decembet '92 minnal varigaL contest result.
>
> There is a tie for the first spot:
>
>MINNAL VARIGAL - 45 AND 29
>
>        From "pOn ezhil puthadhu..."
>
>        From "naan malarOdu thaniyaaga..."
>
>Third :
>MINNAL VARIGAL 52
>
>        From "Nilavu oru peNNaagi, ulavugindra azhagO"
>WINNERS OF THE DECEMBER CONTEST:
>
>1. & 2. - V.R. KUMAR AND RAJ
  A small correction. When it is shared you normally donot say 1 & 2 ..
  It should be
  1 shared by  .........
  :-))

>3.      - S. PERIYASAMY


     I deleted the actual lines to save space  :-))


    Did anyone noticed the fact that all 3 winning songs are 

     1) from old films
     2) sung by T.M.S  ( 2 songs by P.Susila as well)


I am very glad to be a winner in the very first contest ( although the credit
should actually do to the writer of the song). I am posting the
whole song as it seems to have attracted many. I wish someone else should
post the other 2 songs.



The songs begins ...


M:    nAn malarOdu thaniyAha En ingu ninREn - en
      maharAni unaikkAna OdOdi vandhEn
      (repeat)

F:    nee illAmal yArOdu uRavAda vandhEn - un 
      iLmaikkuth thunaiyAha thaniyAha vandhEn
					       ( nAn malarOdu ...)

M:    nee varuhindra vaLi meedhu yAr unnaik kandAr - un
      vaLai konjum kai meedhu parisenna thandhAr   - un
      malar koondhal alai pAya avar enna sonnAr - un
      vadivAna idhal meedhu suvai enna thandhAr      
      malark koondhal alai pAya avar enna sonnAr - un
      vadivAna idhal meedhu suvai enna thandhAr      


F:    nee illAmal yArOdu uRavAda vandhEn - un 
      iLmaikkuth thunaiyAha thaniyAha vandhEn
					       ( nAn malarOdu ...)

F:    ponvandonRu malarenRu muhaththodu modha - nAn
      vaLai konda kaiyAle medhuvAha mooda     - en
      karung koondhal kalaindhOdi mEhangalAha - nAn
      payandhOdi vandhEn unnidam unmai koora
      karung koondhal kalaindhOdi mEhangalAha - nAn
      payandhOdi vandhEn unnidam unmai koora
  
F:    nee illAmal yArOdu uRavAda vandhEn - un 
      iLmaikkuth thunaiyAha thaniyAha vandhEn
					       ( nAn malarOdu ...)


       raj
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