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From: marsh@MITL.COM (Brian Marsh)
Subject: Call for Papers: WWOS-IV
Originator: marsh@wasabi
Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory, Princeton, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:38:44 GMT


			   CALL FOR PAPERS
      Fourth Workshop on Workstation Operating Systems (WWOS-IV)
			   Napa, California
			 October 14-15, 1993

The Fourth Workshop on Workstation Operating Systems will bring
together researchers in operating systems for a range of
computing environments, including workstations, notebooks,
and palmtop computers.  The purpose of WWOS-IV is to examine
controversial issues in operating systems for these platforms.

In contrast to previous years, we request submissions of papers that
describe ongoing or completed research, as well as position papers
that propose new directions, advocate non-traditional approaches, or
generate controversy and discussion.

As well as traditional topics, this year's workshop will pay special
attention to issues relevant to the next generation of 
personal computing, including:

	- models and implementations for ubiquitous computing	
	- mostly connected/disconnected computing
	- protocols for low-bandwidth networking
	- scalable display and window management
	- real-time and multimedia
	- system requirements for virtual reality platforms
	- global, widely accessible, storage systems	
	- OS support for small-scale embedded systems

To assure a productive workshop, attendance will be limited to 60
participants active in the field.  Each potential participant should
submit 5 copies of a 1--5 page summary paper that makes clear its
contribution to the workshop.  Submissions should be mailed to the
program chair. For registration information, contact the general
chair.

IMPORTANT DATES
	Submission deadline: 		May 31, 1993
	Notification of acceptance: 	July 30, 1993

Program chair	Brian Bershad	
		Carnegie Mellon University
		School of Computer Science
	     	Carnegie Mellon University
               	5000 Forbes Avenue
               	Pittsburgh, PA,  15213-3891 USA
                (Brian.Bershad@CS.CMU.EDU)

General chair	Fred Douglis
		Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory
	       	182 Nassau Street, Third Floor
	       	Princeton, NJ,  08542-7072
             	609 497-460, 609 497-4013 (fax)
               	(douglis@mitl.com)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Program committee
		John Carter	University of Utah
	       	David Cheriton	Stanford University
	       	Dave Cutler	Microsoft
	       	Frans Kaashoek	Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	       	Brian Marsh	Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory
	       	Mike Schwartz	University of Colorado at Boulder
	       	Margo Seltzer	Harvard
	       	Mark Weiser	Xerox PARC
-- 
Brian Marsh
Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory  | Email: marsh@mitl.com
182 Nassau Street			      | Phone: +1 609 497-4600
Princeton, NJ  08542 USA		      | Fax:   +1 609 497-4013
From: pop@persia.newshost.gte.com (Paul O. Perry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
Subject: isis v2.1 on RS6000 startup problem
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:15:16 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: GTE Labs


In the past I have compiled and installed isisv2.1 version of ISIS on
vax, sgi, sun, and dec without a problem.  I am now trying it on an
RS6000 with AIX (with bypass on and some applied patches) and I can
get it to compile, but I can't get it to start up. I get :

bind isis_socket: Address already in use
... still waiting for protos startup, please be patient

(more diagnostics attached at bottom).  I realize that I should be
using isisv3.x, but I first wanted to demonstrate the utility of isis
to the powers that be before I proposed a radical change to the
project.

I noticed that the socket it creates is /tmp/Is140, not /tmp/Is1402
(the tcp entry in /etc/services and what I have seen on other
systems), but I could not figure it out by staring at clib/cl_isis.c.
Anyone run into this or have suggestions on how I could track this
problem down ?

Thanks, Paul.
____________________________________________________________________
Paul O. Perry                                   pop@gte.com
GTE Laboratories M/S 40                         phone: (617)466-2853
40 Sylvan Road                                  fax:   (617)890-9320
Waltham, MA 02254
____________________________________________________________________

% isis &
[1] 32957
% WARNING: /etc/hosts doesn't list full hostname.
Continuing using just the shortname "bluechip" .
Site 1 (bluechip): isis is restarting...
Is anyone there?
... found no operational sites, checking again just in case
Is anyone there?
site 1 (bluechip) doing a total restart
protos <isis-protos> -d#.logdir
WARNING: /etc/hosts doesn't list full hostname.
Continuing using just the shortname "bluechip" .
bind isis_socket: Address already in use
... still waiting for protos startup, please be patient
bind isis_socket: Address already in use
... still waiting for protos startup, please be patient
bind isis_socket: Address already in use
... still waiting for protos startup, please be patient
bind isis_socket: Address already in use
... still waiting for protos startup, please be patient
isis: unable to restart <protos> at this site (check 1.log or for core image)
[1]    Done                 isis
bluechip (1/128): -- panic --
site-restart sequence failure


% more 1.log
Tue Jan 12 09:51:53 1993
ISIS release V2.1, Aug 1990
Site <bluechip> is now coming up, site-id 1, isis_dir <1.logdir>
Detect site-failure after: 60 secs

% more sites
+ 001:1301,1302,1303 bluechip gte.com

% grep isis /etc/services
isis            1301/udp                # isis
isis            1302/tcp                # isis
isis            1303/bcast              # isis
--
____________________________________________________________________
Paul O. Perry					pop@gte.com
GTE Laboratories M/S 40 			phone: (617)466-2853
40 Sylvan Road					fax:   (617)890-9320
Waltham, MA 02254
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au ()
Subject: Purchase of Isis
Reply-To: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au
Organization: not likely
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:11:28 GMT

  Could some one mail me the address for enquiries about
  the purchase of the education version of Isis, I guess
  it is version 2.7?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: tclark@cs.cornell.edu (Timothy Clark)
Subject: ISIS long haul spooler
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:26:52 GMT


In response to Taimur Khan's report of problems with the ISIS
long haul spooler and news, he and I will be working together to
investigate the problem.

However, I wanted to mention that a new version of the long haul
spooler has been written which has improved performance and is
more robust.  It is currently in beta stage and we hope to ship
it with the forthcoming ISIS v3.0.8 toolkit.  The new version of
the spooler supports long haul broadcasts (basically a spool call
which is unreliable - not written to disk) but does not currently
support long haul ORDERED broadcasts, as the older version does.
However, this feature is a likely extension in the longer term.


--Tim

tclark@cs.cornell.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: khan@cs.cornell.edu (Taimur H. Khan)
Subject: spooler 
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:18:42 GMT

I am writing a wide-area distributed application using NEWS and the spooler.
I have a process at location X sending messages to a process at location Y
using the news_cpost(subject@y... etc).  The process at Y subscribes to that subject.   

IT seems that after having sent about 6 messages from X to Y, process Y is no longer to get messages any further messages from X, I get a message at location Y as follows:

h_receive: got LH_CBCAST_OP (messID 12 ack 4)
LH -->: The arrival message is deliverable
lhmsg_isEnabled: not enabled
interlan_update: partner <nyc>
lh_receive: got LH_ASYNC_ACK (messID 0 ack -1)


In addition if Y were to send messages to X, the first 6 or so are seen by X and nothing after that, giving me the same message as above.

Has any body else experienced these problems?  Any possible solutions?

Thanks -- Taimur
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: ken@cs.cornell.edu (Ken Birman)
Subject: Re: isis v2.1 on RS6000 startup problem
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:19:05 GMT

In article <POP.93Jan22191516@persia.newshost.gte.com> pop@persia.newshost.gte.com (Paul O. Perry) writes:
>
>In the past I have compiled and installed isisv2.1 version of ISIS on
>vax, sgi, sun, and dec without a problem.  I am now trying it on an
>RS6000 with AIX (with bypass on and some applied patches) and I can
>get it to compile, but I can't get it to start up. I get :
>
>bind isis_socket: Address already in use
>... still waiting for protos startup, please be patient
>

The Cornell view on this is that V2.1 is no longer supported, because
we run V2.2.7 here and are focused on Horus development.  If you are 
unable to switch to V3.0.7, which runs without problems on that platform,
I think you are on your own.  On the positive side, you have source, and
you are welcome to use this newsgroup as a medium for exchange of ideas,
bug fixes, or code with other V2.1 users.

I believe in freeware -- thats why you have V2.1 in source form, and
why it works well -- but I also think there are limits on how far
the developer of a system has to go to support it and so forth.  We
supported V2.1 for years, and I think it is pretty solid, albeit slow
and a little limited.  

Contact sla@isis.com if you want to obtain an evaluation version of
V3.0 to show the "powers that be"...


-- 
Kenneth P. Birman                              E-mail:  ken@cs.cornell.edu
4105 Upson Hall, Dept. of Computer Science     TEL:     607 255-9199 (office)
Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (USA)      FAX:     607 255-4428
Newsgroups: comp.sys.isis
From: ken@cs.cornell.edu (Ken Birman)
Subject: Re: Challenges?
Keywords: client groups
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:39:52 GMT

In article <C1Grrq.GpK@newcastle.ac.uk> M.C.Little@newcastle.ac.uk (Mark Little) writes:
>[groups as clients of groups...] I can say that here at Newcastle
>we have been doing work on this for several years, and if anyone is
>interested I can probably dig up a few references (and maybe some
>postscript papers).  I hope this is of some help,

Yes, I would be very interested!  Could you post a list of
references, and indicate how people can pull the postscript versions
via FTP?


-- 
Kenneth P. Birman                              E-mail:  ken@cs.cornell.edu
4105 Upson Hall, Dept. of Computer Science     TEL:     607 255-9199 (office)
Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 (USA)      FAX:     607 255-4428
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: boylek@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Kevin J Boyle II)
Subject: Re: Western design chip
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:20:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.160859.2388@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu (Derek Taubert) writes:
>
>Heh.  It's time for me to enter this speed race.  From this wonderful
>university (cough), I now have 24 hour access to a 200MHz logic analyzer, and
>a font of 100MHz digital storage scopes.  I've also found some 8ns 32K * 8's
>(that is the format of the SRAM's on the 32K Transwarp upgrade, isn't it?),
>so I'm almost ready to boogie.  Are there any of those fast PAL kits still in
>existance that haven't already been sold to someone?
>
>Derek

Applied Engineering no longer sells the fast PAL kits.  You _might_ be able
to get one from one of the mail order companies (try LRO first).

-Kevin

-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Kevin J. Boyle II | Junior, Comp and Sys Engineering | Yes, I worked for  |
|   boylek@rpi.edu   | Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute |      AE.  So?      |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Subject: Finder Pastel colored windows
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:06:06 GMT


For some time I've experienced exiting an application either
normally or by the three-finger-salute and arriving in the finder
and finding one or more windows colored by pastel bands. Needless
to say, one cannot select any icon so colored so the only recorse
is to reboot. Unfortunately, this does not always clear the
problem and one has to boot once more...

At times I've had to park my HD heads and power off to clear the
problem.

I have very few CDA/NDA items and they are all old timers and as
such would appear on the "accepted list of good DAs."

When a window has been "pasteled" not all icons are
pasteled. Normally it is only the top part of the window, however,
there are times when there is a top and bottom band of pastel
colors. Selection of icons in the non-pasteled portion work
properly.

Is this experience a known finder problem?

Kind regards,
-- 

		Joe Walters att!ihlpm!bird, IH 2A-227 (708) 224-7189
		To know, and not to do, is not yet to know
From: winnipg@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Winnipg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Macintosh mail servers...where?
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:40:07 GMT
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

I know this is the wrong group for this question but it's the only apple 
base I can get. Question are there any mac mail servers. Ones where there 
are a lot of sound samples.

Reply e-mail only please.
From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Don't clean drives!! (was Re: Problems Detected with System 6)
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:08:47 GMT

I had recently been having all sorts of trouble.  I couldn't format any
disks, new software was always unreadable, my backups were failing.  I
couldn't figure it out.  I decided that before I would blow my college
fund on new floppy drives, I would get a disk head cleaning kit and try it
out.

After running that through my drives, I no longer have _any_ disk
problems; whole boxes of disks that I thought were unusable are just fine.
So from now on, I'm going to clean my disk heads once or twice a year.

- Eric S.

--
Eric D. Shepherd                   | Apple II Alliance Charter Member
InterNet: uerics@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  |           ACM Member
FidoNet:  1:206/2713 Eric Shepherd | Programming Law #1: "When in
AOL:      Sheppy                   | doubt, rewrite from scratch."
From: a0m2504@zeus.tamu.edu (AKITOMO MORITA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: still 65802 problem
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:34 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Well, no one has answered my question sufficiently so I'll give some more 
details.  The RANA Elite Hard drive came out over ten years ago so I would
say it is Apple ][ compatible.  It works fine in my ENHANCED Apple //e with
a NCR 65C02.  It will not work with a WDC 65C802.  I know the problem is
related to a timing problem since I took a logic probe to the board that
interfaces to the card.  Basically, the card uses C0F0-C0FF (when in 
slot 7) to select either a 1k ROM or one of 7k RAMs (8 total possibilities).
It uses just the last three bits of the address line to select one of these 
using a 74ls138 3-to-8 decoder.  It also uses 3 of the 74ls75's 4 D-FF to
hold the current selection.  The problem is that the D-FF's are holding the
wrong number.  I cannot trace the problem back toward the edge connector
since the traces go under several IC's which I do not wish to take the time
to desolder and solder back on later.  The ROM on the card is slot 
independent and written for a 6502 (not a 65c02, I know this since I can
disassemble it with the ROM monitor which cannot disassemble newer 65c02 
instructions).  In case you're wondering, the WDC 65c802 is rated for 6Mhz,
but this doesn't mean kaka since the computer will only run a 1.023 Mhz.
I have the data sheets for a WDC 65C02, a WDC 65C802/816, and in the 
Apple //e technical reference, a NCR 65C02.  I am not familiar enough with
timing diagrams to be able to tell if the problem is a difference in timing
between a NCR 65C02 and a WDC 65C802.

What I want is any news of anybody experiencing trouble one they replaced a
65C02 with a 65C802.  I don't care about who manufactured them, I want to 
know about the problems anyway.  OR if anybody familiar with timing diagrams
could tell me if it IS a timing problem between a NCR 65C02 and a WDC 65C802.

Now, what I don't want are rumors, suggestions, or guesses.  No offence to
anybody, but I want to know what the problem IS, not what it could be.

One more thing, the 65C802 upon power up starts in emulation mode (E=1) and
I put it in emulation mode and tried the Hard Drive (just in case) and it 
still does not work.

Thanx if you can help me,
Akitomo Morita
a0m2504@zeus.tamu.edu
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Bug in Finder 6.0
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:11:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility


    My apologies if this bug has been reported already, but this is the
first time I've seen it.

    Open any folder in the Finder which contains files and a Finder.Data
file.  Drag out all the icons on to the desktop and close the window
(make sure the Finder is updating the window and icon positions).  Now
open it back up again.  The window position is not retained!  If you put
away the icons before opening the window, you will find that all the
icons are in their default positions and default colours.  Dave?

    Credit goes to Jim Low who pointed this one out to me.

--
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-- SemiStable: 90taobri@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca (checked daily)
-- Free Plug:  =MuGS 2.0=, the only offline Internet mail reader for
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From: tim.c@pro-freedom.cts.com (Tim Craven)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Any public domain 8-bit terminal programs?
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:58:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1993Jan23.005842.9180
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

I heard  ZLink is a good shareware terminal program.
Soory, I don't have a copy to upload.


ProLine:  tim.c@pro-freedom
Internet: tim.c@pro-freedom.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-freedom!tim.c
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: damin@randell.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)
Subject: GS-Shell information
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:51:36 GMT


Hi all...

I am in need of source code for a GS Shell program. Detailed information on 
where this could be found would be great. How about the source code to ECP-16?
:)

From: billh@hplsla.hp.com (Bill Harris)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:11:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Winchester drive question
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2

Oh, this is going back a while.  I seem to recall that IBM introduced
Winchester drive technology.  Before that, you only removed the platter(s)
(and their associated spindle and housing/dust cover) when you took the
disk out of a removable hard drive.  That caused problems, in that dust
could get on the disk surface, wreaking havoc, especially if you wanted to
design a disk with heads that flew very low over the surface.

The contribution of the Winchester technology was that the platters,
spindle, bearing and heads were all enclosed in an air-tight package that
was removable.  That way, IBM could ensure the quality of the air (and size
of dust particles) in a removable drive.

It seems like this occurred in the mid 1970's.

Of course, I could be wrong on any of this.  If so, I'm sure someone will
correct my memory.

Bill Harris
billh@lsid.hp.com      

Hewlett-Packard Co. 
Lake Stevens Instrument Division ms/330
8600 Soper Hill Road
Everett, WA 98205-1298
From: gregt+@CMU.EDU (Gregory Ross Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS+AFP Unix server
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:17:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofN=h3S00WB5M7ZZBN
	<C1EDDE.H42@utstat.toronto.edu>
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> It is not irrelevant. Getting a good mail system is a joy and rare. That's
> why the NeXT is so nice to use, and why using Unix based editors for mail and
> news is a pain (which is why you saw a long line-> due to vi on an Iris
> running Unix and on the Internet). You can't imagine how far behind Unix mail
> systems are when it comes to doing anything easy, interesting, etc...In 
> principle TCP/IP may have nothing to do with it. In practice, everything 
> surrounding Unix (and as a consequence anything (TCP)/IP based) is political.

  Hmm.  I've gotta respond to this.  You can't imagine how advanced
Unix mail systems are when it comes to doing anything easy,
interesting, etc...  The Andrew Message System (AMS.  I'm usin' it
right now) is waaaaaay advanced.  Basically, a full multimedia mail
system.  It's been in use for at least 4 years here at CMU (where it
was written).  Probably longer than that.  The graphical interfaces to
it are pretty darn decent.  You can send text, graphics, animations,
sounds, hyper-stuff (click-here-and-see-cool-shit kind of stuff).
It's quite advanced.  What else... uuh, footnotes in mail.  Heh, you
can even imbed cool things like clocks (it's x:xx, do you know where
your brain is?).  Just because your site is running the brain dead
mail crap that comes with the standard Unix installation doesn't mean
that that's all there is.

  Oh well, I guess that's my post for the evening.

  Wow.  For those of you who knew and/or cared, it wasn't my Zip that
was crashing my system.  It wasn't my RamFAST that was crashing my
system.  It wasn't my motherboard.  It was my damn SCSI cable.  That
thing's been giving me problems for a hell of a long time, but I just
replaced it, so I'm back in business.

  Bye now.

		-Greg
		 InterNet: gregt+@cmu.edu
		       or: gt0t+@andrew.cmu.edu
		 BITNet  : R746GT0T@CMCCVB
		 AOL     : GRThompson
From: mark@pokey.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Need help with some text files
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:11:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: aio.1993Jan26.151151.25257
Organization: NASA

> They should all be available via FTP. Try the pindarus server.
> Hope this helps.
> 

Could you be a bit more specific on the location of the pindarus
server?  Thanks ever so much. :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: new technotes?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:03:33 GMT

Have there been any new Apple II technotes since June '92?
 
 -- Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AppleWorks to AppleWorks GS info
Date: 29 Jan 93 03:03:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

The following revelation escaped Matthew Curtin's lips:
> 
> Is there a way to get all of my AppleWorks spreadsheet formats, layouts,
> and formulas to read into AWGS? I know it won't read it directly,

    It won't?  I'm pretty sure it *will*.  Formulas, labels, column
widths, everything.

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