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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Uuuhg! This is a stable beta???? Help!
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:05:02 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1993Jan24.151450.34184@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> lbv2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN PAUL VAN LIEU) writes:
>    OK, I finally installed the 2.1 beta last night. Many of you felt it was
>    extremely stable. I remembe using the origional 2.01 beta and having few
>    if any problems wiht it.
>    I ran it fine for two hours last night. I altered the config.sys to create
>    a RAM drive, a larger swapfile, and load dos high.
>    Today (the next mourning), I have had 15 trap d and e errors in the past
>    hour. That's right. The main thing is simply trying to close the icon
>    editor, or another window that I never closed the last time my system
>    trapped.
>    It alll started with me trying to edit an icon (yes, I am a fool). Now I
>    can not get all of my application to close so I can re-boot honestly. I do
>    not have that line in my config.sys that prevents opened objects and such
>    from being re-opened upon the next boot.
>    This is really sad. I could take one re-boot a day, but now I am at the
>    point where I am afraid to open an object.
>    Has anyone experienced similar problems? I really don't want to go back to
>    2.0 ;)

Yes.  DELDIR is broken -- DO NOT ENABLE DELDIR IN EITHER CONFIG.SYS OR
AUTOEXEC.BAT.

Also, here's a mini-FAQ on 2.1 beta bugs you should avoid:

(1) The SuperVGA drivers do not work with 512K adapters;
(2) The HP LaserJet III driver in Win-OS/2 is broken; use the HP LJ
IIP driver instead.
(3) Do not attempt to install the 2.1 beta over an existing OS/2
installation -- reformat.  (Yes, I know some of you have been able to
get away with it, but you've been lucky.)

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From: harmer@lourie.und.ac.za (Mark Harmer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: IDL help
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:13:44 GMT
Organization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa
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[ Article crossposted from comp.os.os2.apps ]
[ Author was Mark Harmer ]
[ Posted on 21 Jan 1993 14:03:08 GMT ]

Ive tried to install IDL under WIN-OS2 on a 486, it gives me a warning saying
that script or DLL has been corrupted and that it is unable to load 
mscuistf.dll, and then stops installation with an 'unknown error'. There is  
nothing wrong with the installation disk since it installs perfectly on a 
computer under windows. Ill be grateful for any help.
From: vozzo@protocol.zycad.com (Frank Vozzo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 Network Monitor
Keywords: OS/2 Network Monitor
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:24:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: hayaku.1k3s4nINNg51
Reply-To: vozzo@protocol.zycad.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Protocol, a Division of ZYCAD
NNTP-Posting-Host: hayaku.protocol.zycad.com



I am investigating a tool to monitor a large-scale network.  The network
consists of 35 Lans, where each Lan is a group of 486's.  I need to monitor
the network and provide statistic on the each lan.  I was not provided with a 
great deal of information about the network, (as you might have noticed), but 
any help provided will be appreciated.

Please post or email any info to vozzo@protocol.zycad.com.

-----

F. Vozzo
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: (?) Changing the view of desktop 
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:36:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.143649.2688@cs.brown.edu> wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:
>This may sound silly. But, how can I change the appearance of
>workplace shell from one view to another? For normal folders,
>just OPEN->SETUP->MENU->.. But this doesn't work for WPS.
>Thanks for any help!

Bring up the Window List (CTRL-ESC), click on the Desktop entry with
mouse button two, then select Open -> (your preferred view).  You can
keep this view on the desktop -- or even maximize it -- when you
shutdown.  Unless you've disabled automatic application restart, it
will come back up when you restart.

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From: X049BC@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 and fonts (ATM, etc.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:45:44 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

I am a VERY happy OS/2 user, tinkerer, geek, and wanted to add a efw more
fonts to OS/2. I know it uses the Adobe Type Manager, but all I see advertised
are ATM windows fonts! Will these work for OS/2 PM, Describe, etc.?
Thanks!
BC
From: ak@ananke.stgt.sub.org (Andreas Kaiser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ASPI driver for 2.1 
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:19:48 GMT
Organization: ananke


In article <1993Jan17.184317.23997@yenta.alb.nm.us> ben@yenta.alb.nm.us writes:

  > I thought OS/2 didn't need ASPI. Will a DOS driver work from the OS/2 CONFIG
  > .SYS file? Is there another way to talk to the tape drive? Thanks.

If you have plenty of time, you can think of writing a virtual device
driver which emulates the AHA1542 hardware. Or you could write a DOS
ASPI module, which interfaces to the OS/2 ASPI module.

But until now, noone seems to have written such stuff, so there is no
ASPI in the DOS box today. And since SCSI backup programs in the DOS
box need some way to interface to the SCSI controller, there is no SCSI
backup in the DOS box possible - except when the SCSI controller is not
used by OS/2.

So if you absolutely need your backup program in the DOS box, buy a
second SCSI adapter (but *not* a bus-master adapter!), do not install
it as OS/2 device and run your DOS ASPI for this adapter in the DOS
box.

		Gruss, Andreas
  
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh)
Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth (generic S3) drivers!!
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:55:59 GMT

Good show, nice hack!  A couple of people tried this awhile back, but
couldn't get it to work.  

--Don Lindbergh
dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: 8514 drivers and the ATI Graphics Ultra
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Distribution: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:54:22 GMT

In article <SCASTILL.93Jan20092358@tesla.nmsu.edu> scastill@nmsu.edu (Steve Castillo) writes:

[deletions about lack of ATI support for OS/2 2.x...]
>
>Finally, he said
>something that I thought was very revealing about ATI's direction with
>respect to OS/2.  He said that while IBM had not helped them out,
>Microsoft had given them a driver development kit for NT.  He implied
>that they already had drivers for NT for the Graphics Ultra but don't
>hold your breath for OS/2 drivers.
>
>It appears that OS/2 users that have bought ATI cards that use the
>MACH chip sets are between a rock and a hard place until IBM releases
>8514 drivers.  I feel that I made a big mistake in buying my ATI card.
>I could have saved several hundred dollars by buying a slower Trident
>with much better support.
>--
>*****************************************************************
>Steve Castillo
>New Mexico State University
>Las Cruces, NM
>scastill@nmsu.edu

This really is a sad statement about Ati and/or IBM's assistance to
developers.  And the contrast is striking: I installed Windows NT the
other evening and all went well, though, as with my OS/2 experience, I
was stuck in plain vanilla VGA mode.  I went looking for ATI NT drivers
on Compuserve, hoping, at least, to find something and lo! there were
new beta drivers for ATI boards using either the Mach32 or Mach8
chipsets for NT (they were the sixth iteration of drivers).  They work
fine on my system (though NT is, um, rather slow).

Even though I currently use Windows/DOS and have started to experiment
with NT, I would like to think that I'd be able to have drivers for my
video card when I try OS/2 2.1.  It sure looks like I won't.  Somebody,
perhaps IBM, ought to do it!

jmalloy@hamilton.edu
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Which CD ROM for OS/2
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:04:35 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

aaronw@am.ucsc.edu (Aaron M. Williams) writes:

> In article <FDQ.93Jan15155336@w20-575-54.mit.edu> fdq@athena.mit.edu (Fred D 
> 
>    In article <1993Jan13.040304.3922@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mmannan@lynx.
> 
>       I am in the market for a CD ROM, and would like to know which
>       one works best with OS/2. Please send your replies to:
> 
>             mmannan@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
> 
>       Thank you in advance for your help,
> 
>       M. Mannan
> 
>    I am also looking for a CDROM and would appreciate it if any responses are
>    posted to this newsgroup.  
> 
>    Thanks for the info,
> I just purchased an IBM external CD ROM from NCA Peripherals in San Jose, CA.
> They have them on sale right now for $299.  They're not real fancy or
> anything, just cheap, and guaranteed to work with OS/2 if you have a SCSI 
> controller with OS/2 drivers (such as the Adaptec series or Future Domain).
> 
> I just installed the drivers, plugged in the CD ROM, and rebooted and it
> worked the first time.  The IBM CD Rom does not need a PS/2 either.  It's
> just a standard SCSI device.
> 
> The drive claims 380ms random seek, but the Corel SCSI benchmark says it's
> more like 250ms.  The data transfer rate is 150k/sec.

I did some research on this.  If you join the os/2 dev. program you get a 
cd-rom disk and a certificate for a cd rom from some company (i dont remembr)
right now.  With it you can get an external cd-rom drive(toshiba 3101 or
something like that) for 450 I think.  The scsi controller card was 100
or 250 depending on 8 or 16 bit card (Future domains 850 vs 1650 I think).
But, for 50 more yo could get the toshiba 3401 which features doublespeed.

This is at least 200 cheaper than the same dirve via mail-order ads I looked 
at.   The 3401 is a 800 dollar drive.

Greg

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From: dneufeld@student.business.uwo.ca (Derrick J. Neufeld)
Subject: Re: HELP - Can't print from any Win Apps
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:21:32 GMT

mskreis@iastate.edu (Mark S Kreisberg) writes:

> 
> 
> I just finished installing Word & Quicken for windows through WINOS2.  Both
> applications seem to be working just fine with the one exception that I am
> unable to print through either program (neither seemlessly nor through a
> full screen WINOS2 session).  The correct driver has been installed, is set f
> the correct port, and is active.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions?

os/2 printer drivers are screwey -- use an older set of drivers (e.g., from 
MS-Win3.1) -- these are working great for hy HPIII.

 
  Derrick J. Neufeld, Ph.D. Candidate-MIS, University of Western Ontario  
  Internet: DNeufeld@Business.UWO.CA  Phone: (519) 679-2111 (ext. 5174)
From: me90plb@brunel.ac.uk (Paul L Barnfather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: MMPM/2 and SB
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:54:16 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Paul L Barnfather (me90plb@brunel.ac.uk) wrote:
: Pat Gleason (pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM) wrote:
: : In <1993Jan20.095750.25675@unlv.edu> slumos@unlv.edu (Steve Lumos) writes:

: : >out is that when they said that I needed the 2.0 DSP to get *full*
: : >functionality, I assume that they mean that without the 2.0 DSP I can
: : >get *some* functionality (which I can't).

: : I am glad to see someone else read that paragraph the same way I did.

: Well I've got a soundblaster 2.0 with version 2.01 DSP, and I can't get
: MMPM/2 to work either. I don't see any error messages (or anything) when (if)
: the device driver loads, but when I try to play a .WAV file, I get the 
: message that 'Digitised Sound channel could not be opened, contact IBM etc..'

: BTW, the SB is on IRQ5, my LPT1 is on IRQ7 and I don't have LPT2.

: Any ideas ??

: Paul.

Problem solved !!

I reinstalled and selected IBM M-audio as well as Soundblaster. ( I don't
have an M-audio card, though )

Seemed to fix the problem, anyway.

Paul.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rik@sci.kun.nl (Rik Fleuren)
Subject: Re: SCSI Adapter Question
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:34:44 GMT

In <1993Jan16.023918.20086@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers) writes:

>In article <1993Jan1.232422.24010@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes (recommending SCSI adapters for use with OS/2):
>...
>>Well, they are both compatible for hard drives, but they are not the
>>best choices.
>>
>>Specify Adaptec, Future Domain, Trantor, or BusTek and you should be
>>just fine.
>
>You also have to make sure to get the right model number(s) of adapters
>made by these manufacturers.  That is, e.g., for Future Domain, it has
>to be at least a TMC 850.  TMC 840 is NG.
>
>The list is to be found on the sheet accompanying the 2.1B CD ROM.
>
>************************************************************************
>I have the simplest tastes.  I am always satisfied with the best.
>		-- Oscar Wilde
>
>	- pynq@quads.uchicago.edu, who is still costing the net
>	  hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars, every time he posts -
>************************************************************************

I use the FD8XX.ADD driver with an old FD TMC-830, no problems. When I
put a 'REM' before the BASEDEV line in the CONFIG.SYS, I only have one
SCSI drive (D:), probably through the INT13 driver. With the FD8XX.ADD
I have two drives (D: and E:), so the driver works for me.


					Rik Fleuren

P.S. The TMC-830 has version 4 ROM software.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee)
Subject: Re: (old) icons lost association with icon editor
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:23:21 GMT

linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee) writes:

>It appears that my icons lost their association with the icon editor
>since I unarj'ed them. I realise that makes them loose the EA's
>but I rather thought the associoation was kept by the system.
>Anyone know of an easy way to reassociate them in one go?

Well, I solved this using eautil, though it was rather cumbersome.
eautil seems to delete the EA file when you attach it to a file,
so I had to keep a backup and copy that to another file, which
I then could attach to the icon.
I did have to reboot though before the new ea's were recognised.
This, I think is related to the fact that the cache wasn't properly
refreshed. I noticed this when I was changing icons of some objects
and in between added icons to the dir where I keep my icons. The new
icons didn't show up in the list of icons found by the search program.
I could tell this even before the list showed up, since the response
was as fast as it always is after the first time.

Erik
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Can I *PLEASE* get a fast COMM driver that &^$#* works!?
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:58:58 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <Nm32XB3w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>No, why, should we?  I've never had a problem before.  Works fine
>under DOS, worked fine under Linux, and works fine (but slow) under
>OS/2's COM drivers.

Is OS/2 communications software at all an option?

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From: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG (Eric Trepanier)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Odd behaviour of WinOS2... Changes directories... Kno
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:33:13 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized?


In article <1993Jan19.030307.29515@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

 > 
 > In article <9301182123.AA10192@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> >  acrosby@uafhp.uark.edu (Albert Crosby) writes:
 > >Here's an oddity about Win/OS2 that I've not seen anyone mention... When you
 > >start WinOS2 from a command prompt, it changes the current directory to the
 > >WinOS2 directory.  This makes a few things that one of my users would like to
 > >do very difficult... [...]
 > 
 > It's been a while, but I think Microsoft Windows does the same thing.
 
No, Windows 3.0/3.1 will keep the current directory from where it was booted.
So if started from C:\DOS, the Windows current directory would be C:\DOS.

Besides, with Program Manager 3.1, one can set the starting directory in the
program item setting, whether it is a DOS or a Windows program.  This method
would work under WinOS/2 3.1 obviously.

However, under Windows 3.0, it was possible to specify a starting directory,
only for DOS programs, through the use of .PIF files.  This would not work
under WinOS/2 3.0, but of course you don't need it anyway, since you probably
start your DOS programs from OS/2 directly...

Eric
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 I believe I'll have another beer."
From: claudio.fahey@idcbbs.com (Claudio Fahey) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Primary/Logical Partitions
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: claudio.fahey@idcbbs.com (Claudio Fahey) 

To: slhpv@cc.usu.edu

SL>  I just read the FAQ, Installation and Planning Guide, and the OS/2
SL>  installation guide (so flame me for being stupid not RTFF, RTFM, RTFIaPG)

SL>  I want to set up my partitions in the following manner:

SL>  Name            Status          Access          FS Type         MB
SL>  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
SL>                  Startable        : Primary      BOOT MANAGER    1
SL>  DOS 5.0         Bootable        C: Primary      FAT             64
SL>  OS/2 2.0        Bootable        D: Logical      HPFS            147


SL>  The question I have is: Since only one primary partition can be active;
SL>  does this mean that OS/2 2.0 (can/cannot) access C: since OS/2 is
SL>  in a logical (not primary) partition?

SL>  The reason for this approach is the following:

SL>          1) All files/programs usable by dos are on FAT
SL>             I can ALWAYS access DOS files (from DOS or OS/2)
SL>             as C:\mydir\file.ext

SL>          2) All native OS/2 files/programs are on HPFS
SL>             I can access OS/2 files as D:\mydir\my_nice_long_name

SL>  If I can't access the primary (C:) from OS/2 are there any suggestions
SL>  as to how my partitions should be set up.  I want consistant drive namings
SL>  no matter how I end up running my dos apps!

Set it up just as you showed.  Boot manager doesn't count as a primary
partition after an operating system starts.  I have my disk partitioned
almost the same as what you posted and I have all my DOS stuff on
my C: drive ( in DOS and OS/2 ) and my OS/2 stuff on D:.  It works
very well.
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Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 12:38:55 CST
From: <DGRAHAM@HARPERVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: LOTUS 2.3 and Wolf3d through DOS 5 image file?

I created a DOS 5 image file and it seems to work really well. It accesses
all of my true DOS 5 files(I put DOS 5.0 in a subdirectory on my machine,
no dual boot) and I don't see any problems. Heck, it even ran Dosshell. But
trying to run LOTUS 3.1(I screwed up the subject title) I get a bomb upon
leaving. I have Lotus installed on D, a FAT partition, and when exiting it
says failure to access drive D. I can't figure out why. It runs fine when I
run it from the disk that I created the image from, but it crashes when I do
the image thing. Same with Wolf3d except it crashes while loading in the
GET PSYCHED phase. Just before it fully loads the scene I chose, it freezes
and locks up the whole machine. I have to turn it off and turn it back on to
be able to do anything. Anyone able to suggest something. If a copy of the
autoexec.bat or config.sys or anything else would help, I can easily provide
them.

    Thanks
      Dave Graham
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is OS/2 a dead end?
Keywords: So quoth Bill Gates
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:38:29 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <5JLqXB9w165w@tcscs.UUCP> zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com writes:
>With OS/2, when it reboots, particularly after a crash or unexpected
>shutdown, it takes upwards of 5 to 30 minutes depending on your hard drive
>size and configuration.

Only if you don't shut it down.  And that's CHKDSK doing the slowdown.
RUnning CHKDSK after a crash is something that DOS users should do as
well, IMO.  And I haven't had a system crash so bad that CTRL-ALT-DEL
couldn't get me out of it - CHKDSK doesn't have to run in that case.
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From: landman@hal.physics.wayne.edu (Joe Landman)
Subject: Re: Rumor: IBM out of hardware business????
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Wayne State Univ.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:52:22 GMT

well, I have it on good authority that IBM will be getting out of the mainframe
business in the next few quarters (eg: diving off a sinking ship might just be
the first signs of a plan for survival).  No, I do not know any far up
IBM insiders, I simply listened to what cuts IBM had announced over the last year.
  It is not hard to figure out what is and is not profitable for them.  

   There was some mention of them closing the plants in Fishkill and Poughkeepsie NY
(right near my old home town of Yorktown, which is where IBM research is) which
make various chips...  I hope the IBM will not be getting out of the workstation or
 PC areas.  I have a PS Valuepoint 433 and I love it, and I hear the the RS
6000 is a nice machine to do heavy number crunching on...

Joe