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From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Malaysia's racial policies
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:33:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov11.003348.17337
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Nov10.062127.8379@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>Kelvin Goh (ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
>: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: >sacrifice? And limiting the quota to only 30% is also another major 
>: ^^^^^^^^^^^
>: >sacrifice? What prevents them from achieving 50%?
>: 
>: 	Ouch !  It was a major sacrifice, huh ? So major that we Chinese
>: who fought for the independence of our land and from any external threats
>: that we don't deserve a citizenship ? We wasted our time, our lives and
>: blood saving out country, didn't we ? We shouldn't have worked so hard
>: to make a living so that the government doesn't have to kick aside 30%
>: of share allocation ?  
>: 	I've got to get a drink....still choking here.... :) I'll go
>: around telling my Canadian friends that my Malaysian citizenship given to
>: me was a MAJOR sacrifice.......choke, choke......
>I hope you tell them the truth using the exact words such as QUOTA,
>Share certificates allocation(that's what you mean?), unlike one guy
>who mention that it applies to ALL BUSINESSES.
>
>	Surprisingly I see still a lot of Chinese shopkeepers, hawkers, that
>own shops 100%.
>

Maybe you are in the wrong place, a chinese ,majority place. Remember that
35% of the population is chinese. I also see a lot of malay shopkeepers,
hawkers in Kelantan. So, What does this has to do with the unfairness of
the government? Do these chinese get any special help from the government?
Ya, the government help them by collecting their income tax and help people
like you.

>Can someone clarify the Malaysian plan for this 30% QUOTA?
>I'm not well versed in this because I did not benefit from it, and I never
>see any effect of it in KL or Sabah. Maybe in some invisible forces,
>or is it imaginary. I can't afford to buy shares, and most of it is bought
>by ASM/ASB, LUTH.
>	Any tourist will surely know this? Any comment from former tourists?
>I may be extremely biased.
>

Who believe that you did not benefit from it? Unconsciously, you are benefiting
from these policies. It is people like you climbed on our shoulder and trying
to blame on us that is causing all these debates. Come-on show some gratitute!

>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>

Empty vessel makes the most noise.

T-P Loh
From: t7062@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHEE TAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:56:36 GMT

In article <Bx99Fw.2qs@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
> 
> country as well as Indians. If you take America, once you become a citizen
> of this country, there is a chance for you to be a President. I know is not
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> that easy but atleast there is no law or constitution saying that you can't.

Just try to point out that there IS a LAW to stop naturalize citizen to 
become US President or Vice President.  The highest position a non-america
born citizen can be is Secretary of State.




[ The opinions expressed are solely my own, but you are welcome to share them. ]
[              If you don't like them, that is your problem !!                 ]
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[ Chee Tan                                           t7062@moncol.monmouth.edu ]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rajahera@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Raja A Raja-Hedar)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:06:15 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

If there is no discrimination of any kind against the Malays in
Singapore, then, can somebody please tell us Singaporean Malays

how many malays are there in the Singaporean Cabinet?
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Project ASPIRE.
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:37:27 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

Dear Netters,

	I'm not sure how many of you have heard about the project ASPIRE 
which is a group formed to help students from Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia,
Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and the Pacific Islands with all of their
U.S. educational experience and eventual job search. Unfortunately, this
group only available for students who are studying here in U.S. I believe
Indiana University in conjuction with Project ASPIRE's Midwest Regional 
Center at Ball State Univ., has developed an information service especially
for ASEAN and Pacific Island students. This service, called ASPIRE-L, can
help you with job search for those who are graduating soon, or even for
those who are looking for a practical training such as Internship or
Co-op programs. ASPIRE-L is a computer-accessible electronic mail network, 
it's free and accessible to any students. All you need is your university's
computer center or your own computer and modem. You can access ASPIRE-L
through either BITNET or INTERNET. Just send an email message to ASPIRE-L
either on BITNET addressed to "listserv@iubvm" or on INTERNET to
"listserv@iubvm.usc.indiana.edu".  As your message type "SUB ASPIRE-L
(your name)" and your name will be added to the ASPIRE-L subscription
list.  All the incoming messages will be moderated by the moderator
Mohan Veloo, who is a student from Singapore.
For more information, contact Jack Brewer, Project ASPIRE Information Office
Ball State University, 2000 West University Avenue, Muncie, IN.
Hope this will be very helpful to some of us. Make use of it!

Good Luck.

Geeva Subramaniam
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University.
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:28:29 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Due to a lot of ignorance in the qualification of Anwar Ibrahim, our current
Finance MInister I like to give a brief historical explaination expecially to
the ignorant chinese.

He got his first class honours in Malay Studies, from University Malaya,K.L.,
while still in prison.

He was arrested for demonstrating for the government failure to stop the
starvation of Malays in Baling, under our most wanted law by this newgroup,
the ISA.

To ME someone who do not get a first class honours is a failure. To get it
while in prison is a very special achievement. VERY FEW people on earth can
do that, not even LKY of Singapore.

Judge a person by his actions. When he was the finance minister he did 2
important points which Daim failed even in times of non-recessions.

i) arrest the decline in the malaysian ringgit,
ii) increasse government salaries which had been frozen since Mahathir was
in power, resulting massive increases in salaries in the private sector also,
iii) maintain the economic growth even in times of recession all over the
world,

In fact the above 2 points were actully pointed out by Tengku Razaleigh, 
another brilliant Malay Accountant.
	Just because he is a Malay does not mean that he is not a brilliant
accountant. In fact I know of a Malay boy,also from Kelantan, who completed 
his ACCA exams in 2 years after SPM. I saw that guy personally.

DAim may be an accountant, but he is a so-so pak turut politically influenced
business man. He is the brother in law of Dr. Mahathir, and related to the
richest Malay, Datuk SAid Kecik, who got his riches form Sabah Timber.

ANNUAR ibrahim is a good muslim. HE was once the president of ABIM. 
Angkatan bElia Islam Malaysia. When he joined UMNO he was hated by his former
followers and admirers.
	A lot of chinese are scared of being led by a muslim but I tell you,
you'll learn your lesson when then non-islamic hypocritical Malays were to 
take power. So far I have not known of any prime ministers who are not 
devout muslims, but the number of malays who do not belive in Islam is growing.
	Let us see, how the minorities fare under these people who have no
moral and discipline, but their self interests and desires.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:12:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.002942.23767@leela.cs.orst.edu>, looi@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Wan Looi) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov8.182827.2492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
|> >
|> >Perhaps W. Looi can  reproduce some of Zam's "dirt"  from his archive?
|> >
|> >-Mann
|> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) .....
|> 
|> I will when the time and place is right! Btw, I'm gonna make hardcopies
|> of some of his notorious remarks and laminate them to guard against
|> my hard disk failure.
|> 
|> Enuf said, too.
|> 
|> -looi

For heaven sake, give the guy a chance.  He is not even around to
defend himself.  He should be given the chance to mend his ways and
attitude. Otherwise, his racism,etc will be his own downfall.  No need
for anyone here to stab at him.
 
...Kyle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:05:38 GMT

Me Mann (mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: [deleted stuff]
:
: Is  such form a apathy unique to NUS?
: 
: Is it a result of  "kiasuism"?
: 
: 
: Or perhaps there is no benefit to be derived from such 
: activities!
: 
: Or is it the restrictive environment of Singapore?
: 
: 
: Level-headed discussion most welcome.
: 
: _Mann

Hey, when u have 27 hours of class per week, tons of homework and
projects to do, and considering that some of us are not that
intelligent, well, how can a person find the needed time to take part in
ECA? What's more, over here, u can't take your own sweet time to
complete your degree. The university has specific rules as to how many
years u are allowed to take to complete your degree. given this
environment where failure is strongly penalised, there is of course the
inevitable 'kiasuism'. Furthermore, most courses only have end-of-year
exams, which means that that is the only chance for one to do well. For
many cases, there are no regular class assessment, no marks given for
class participation and so forth. So, EVERYTHING hinges upon the
year-end exams. With this kind of system, how do u expect us not to be
worried about our work most of the time?
No matter how much I try to say, I guess the best
thing is for u to personally experience these things yourself, so that u
understand the constraints faced by students in NUS.
--
---------------------------------------------------------
Tan Gim Wee
EE Dept, NUS
internet: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg
bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
"It was a dark and stormy night......"	-  Snoopy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.062039.11016@nuscc.nus.sg>, eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng) writes:
|> 
|> Certainly lack of time is a factor. But this does not account for the
|> fact that ECA participation in NUS hostel activities is high (why
|> ECA activity in hostels is high is irrelevant). I don't think that the
|> average standard of a student hostelite is very much below that of the
|> student population at large. BTW I was a hostelite for 4 yrs.
|> 
It is not irrelevant.  Hostel promote the sense of community that
encourages participation.  (Of course, the need to retain a spot is
(was?) a factor too).
 
Most Asean students studying overseas, would either stay in university
accomodation or gang together and stay nearby.  Whether they realize
it or not they have that sense of community which encourages them to
participate in University's activities.  I can bet that a local
sutdent in a local American U. would not participate much too if
he/she stay at home with his/her parents and go to the U just to
attend lectures.
 
Back to Singapore, other than activities in the hostel, the other
activities are perceived as non-value added.  It is not going to help
one get a job in Singapore.  But getting lousy grades will certainly
hinder a person from getting a good start in the business world.
|> 
|> my 2 cents
|> 
|> jin meng

my 2 cents too :).
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From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Sex Ignore it
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:40:38 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5





		WIMP !!!!

		an excuse as feeble as your spine....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tdwebste@sparta.uwaterloo.ca (Timothy D. Webster)
Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:30:54 GMT

In article <6NOV199210240665@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>I enclose the following psng, without comment, for your information.
>
>In article <1992Nov6.152738.13901@cs.mcgill.ca>, depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydr writes...
>>In article <1992Nov4.230737.29054@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek) writes:
>>>
>>>|> in basic human nature.  Any of various forms of dictatorship is fine
>>>|> provided the dictator is truly benevolent and the populace all agree
>>>|> with the dictator on a few basic values - but that too we don't know
>>>|> how to ensure.
>>>
>>>I am unware of any historical precedent of a `benevolent dictator'. Thus I
>>>doubt the viability of this approach. Of course, I would not refuse the
>>>position of `benevolent dictator' if it would be offered to me.
>> 
>>Well, in Singapore, they got a list of human rights violations a mile long,
>>and you're not allowed to chew gum anywhere in the country, but the form of
>>government definitely qualifies as a benign dictatorship. It used to be one
>>of the scummiest islands in south east asia, with disease, drugs,
>>prostitution and crime rife. Now it's the cleanest place in that region,
>>with among the best quality of life ratings, economic growth, availability
>>of education, health care, and employment.  All this in the last 25
>>some-odd years.
>> 
>>The dictator in place [I forget his name] is almost single-handedly
>>responsible for all this change. He's got a lot of power, but he definitely
>>cares about the people he governs, and while he cuts a few corners and
>>steps on a few feet, his intentions are admirable.
>> 
>>But alas, nobody in the US would accept such a form of government.

This is not completely true. Russ Poret could be considered in someways
a benevolent dictator. His method of forcing his will upon the U.S.
government would have been to constantly expose the errors and poor
judgement of his opposition to the people at large. Most of his
followers considered him to be far more capable and honest than recent
politicians. "The agenda of a politician is get elected". This agenda
translates into governing from an election platform, and NOT by careful
consideration of the effects of legislation, policies.

From my knowlege Singapore is not controlled by a dictator, but rather
people have chosen to the same party repeatedly over the last 25 years.  
This difference is fundamental. If the party currently in power enrages
the public they will be defeated. 

-Tim.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To you malasian Singapore basher
From: ettang@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:38:41 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

';eqIn article <1992Nov2.064141.9218@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
> In article <1d2gb5INN5cc@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> laicheng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Lai Cheng Lam) writes:
>>Methinks this poor mixed up (or shall we say f**ked up) soul only wants
>                                               ^^^^^^^
> 
> Hi liang moi (pretty damsel), not nice to use such
> rustic word one you know--- difficult to find you
> knight lah and make your mother and aunties all worry
> lah 8).
> 
> Me too dare to sign my name 8)
> -Me "no ill-feeling" Mann
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ht1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Haw-Lin Tan)
Subject: How about friends in NTU & NUS ??
Keywords: Singapore
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:55:14 GMT

Hi! It's me again. I would like to contact some friends from NTU or NUS. In
particular, Mr. LAO CHEE PENG. Does any one know him ? Can any one help me to 
contact him ? (Thanks!) My email addr : ht4@ra.msstate.edu or ht1@ra.msstate.edu.
Also, I would like to exchange some ideas with anyone in the field of ElectricalEngineering(Communication.) -- the progams and market back home prospect.

Haw Lin
Mississippi State University
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:53:49 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <Bx99Fw.2qs@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
> I think it is the uniqueness of our country being as a multiracial country
> and we should introduce ourselves as Malaysian Malays, Malaysian Chinese
> or as a Malaysian  Indian and still keeping the identity as an Malaysian
> and work towards the "Satu Bangsa" way.

	Agreed.  But it is more difficult to do it this way.  It's just like
making dinner.  Rojak's much easier than preparing individual dishes.
> 
> country as well as Indians. If you take America, once you become a citizen
> of this country, there is a chance for you to be a President. I know is not
> that easy but atleast there is no law or constitution saying that you can't.

	Nope.  The law states that you have to be born in US soil.

> What about Malaysia? There is so much that we as an Indian and Chinese can't
> achieve eventhough we are the citizen of Malaysia. Maily because of the 
> special priveledges for the bumis. Well, how many our you think that we don't
> work hard for our country's growth and don't deserve the same priveledges?
> Is this situation will be carried on forever?

	I don't think so.  Already there are much questionings by all involved. 
Our task is to ensure that it makes a peaceful transition in a reasonable
amount of time (not necessary within our lifetimes) instead of tearing apart
the nation.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr. Thaddaeus)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:03:56 GMT

s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:

>No, Othman, you are wrong again. Those Mexicans can still go to University
>if they have done well enough. Those Chinese cannot gain entry to univs in 
>Malaysia unless they are real genius, any Malays can be admitted to the 
>universities in Malaysia eventhough a lot of Chinese Malaysians have 
>done better than them. You see, whether or not you are admitted into 
>a university in Malaysia depends a lot on your skin colour. The Mexicans 
>don't have that problem.   

	Actually, being a genious sometimes doesn't help at all. I know a 

guy who got 8 A1's in the SPM (you can't do better than 8 A1's can you?)

who got rejected by SHELL for s scholarship to the US while those who got

aggregrates of 20s and more (surprise, surprise) got it. 

	But hey, after a politician intervened on his behalf, he was sent to

the US of A. Draw your own conclusions.

-- 
--------------------- <-:[ ------------------ ]:-> ---------------------------
Thaddaeus Kong			             ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au
Monash University, Melbourne, Australia.
Quote : "Don't you just hate it when the question doesn't suit your answer?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: nor@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Nor-Azlan Nordin)
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Organization: PSU Earth and Mineral Sciences
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.002942.23767@leela.cs.orst.edu> looi@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Wan Looi) writes:

>>Perhaps W. Looi can  reproduce some of Zam's "dirt"  from his archive?
>>
>>-Mann
>
>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) .....
>
>I will when the time and place is right! Btw, I'm gonna make hardcopies
>of some of his notorious remarks and laminate them to guard against
>my hard disk failure.
>
>Enuf said, too.
>
>-looi


Yes, to make it fair and square, include your racial slurs against 
Malays too.  Will you?  You still remember them right?  I can refresh
your mind.  Don't worry.

-azlan nordin-
  Penn State
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ht1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Haw-Lin Tan)
Subject: Anyone from ANGLICAN HIGH/NGEE ANN POLY Singapore??
Keywords: Singapore
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:43:35 GMT

Hi, I would to contact some friends from Anglican High (Upper Changi) or
form Ngee Ann Polytechnic. I studied in Anglican High in 1985-86, in Ngee
Ann Poly in 1986-89.Also, a three month in Temasek JC in between.
Please contact me at ht4@ra.msstate.edu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: changh@fraser.sfu.ca (Chang Tih Ho)
Subject: Re: TO YOU CHINESE..
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:38:04 GMT

isds11989009@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
Hi dude,
>HI...
>      ALL THESE ARTICLES ABOUT RACISM ARE SO BOOOOOOORING.....YOU KNOW WHY?..
>      BECAUSE YOU'LL CHINESE ACTING LIKE YOU'RE THE BEST RACE IN MALAYSIA..
>      WHY? EVEN I'M NOT MALAY ...
                
IDENTIFY yourself please, dare you?

CT.ho
From: intras@triton.its.uci.edu (INTRAS)
Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: intras@triton.its.uci.edu (INTRAS)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:47:09 GMT


After reading so many "interesting" postings by Dr Othman. I wonder
what is his educational qualification ? I assume that he is a Dr because
he is teaching at NTU.


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