From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: reply #4 to Mr. Mubarak: REFERENCES ON KHATAM!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:57:50 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <nabeel.702849316@bellatrix.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:

>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:

>>In <nabeel.702778903@bellatrix.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:

>   I meant, actually, Mirza Sahib brought modifications to Islam, e.g.
>Jihad, prophets after the Prophet. That is there are some differences
^^^^^^^
>between Ahmadis and Muslims, and the differences by definition can not
>be brought by a non-law-bearing prophet. He brought a new law which is
>the modifications he made, a new law does not need to changei the
>whole thing.

As for Jihad is concerened, an allegation that Hazrat Ahmed changed the
Islamic concept of Jihad is pure hoax. This questoin has been raised many
times and I have posted my reply many times and I yet have to find a
reasonable person who disagrees with that. I am posting it for you. In future,
please just dont jump into the debate with your eyes closed and start every
thing all over again. Find what has been said and discussed. An archive
is also held by Dr. Jamal Mubarak (and me too). I am not running 
individual ``tableegh'' sessions here nor I need your approval or any thing.
The sole purpose of this debate is to clear some misconceptions about 
Ahmadiyyat spread by liar maulvis like Jafry and his bosses. (Don't
argue with me on this point. Every body remembers a pathetic full of 
ridiculous lies post by Jafry a few days ago).

Dont forget to check my answer about Jihad at the end. I am not saying
a word about Khatam-e-Nabuuat. I made very clear why I believe in it and
gave supportive proofs from Quran, Hadith, Arabic Language, Islamic
literature, Islamic saints and Imams and Logic. There are millions who
believe in this idea and every year tens of thousands more agree wity this.
I just wanted to prove that my belief in Khatam-e-Nabuuat is not baseless.
I 100% believe and in Khatam-e-Nabuuat and a firm believer of it-----go
figure it out now!
And besides, i said a few days ago that I agree to disagree on this
topic with those who still have differences and doubts.



>   In fact the word "tashrish" is new to me, I never heard of it and I do not
>think he actually used it, I think you made a mistake. Anyway, if he is

Yes I did make a mistake and I am sorry. The word is AL-TASH-RIH.

>right in his opinion it can be carried to people who the Prophet said will
>be envied by the prophets and martyrs while they are no prophets. I think
>those who love each other for God's sake (I am not sure).

How are you getting this interpretation?
By the way did you check the long list of names you provided.
I guess that is not of any use to you. I was amazed that you haven't heard of
HAZRAT MUJADAD ALIF SANI (Hazat Sheikh Ahmad Farooqi). Ask any of your
knowledgeable friend from Indo-Pak.

MY REPLY ON JIHAD FOLLOWS!!!!!
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THIS ARTICLE MAY BE QUITE LONG, BUT I RECOMMEND
THAT YOU READ IT.
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Dear Brothers and sisters in Islam,
Asslam-o-Alakum,

A question has been raised by many, on and off the net, that if Hazrat Ahmed
claimed to be a non-law bearing prophet, how could change the Islamic meaning
of Jihad. A simple answer would be 'he did NOT'. But I will explain it here in
detail.    (This will also answer one of Mr. Maher's questions).

(I am reproducing this from a book by 'Imam B. A. Rafiq' called "Truth about
Ahmadiyyat" published by the The London Mosque, England.)

Before we enter upon a refutation of this misleading propaganda it would be help
-ful to set forth the meaning of the concept of 'Jihad'. The 'Jehad' is of three
types. One, the Jehad against one self which in Islamic idiom is called the
greatest Jihad (Jihad Akbar). Two, the Jihad that is waged aginst Satan and is 
called the great Jihad (jihad Kabeer). Three, the jihad that is waged against
the enemy of freedom of conscience; this is called the lesser jihad (Jihad
Asghar). The Holy prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, has
described the striving against self as Jehad Akbar. It is menstioned in the
hadith that returning from an expidition (Tabuk), the Holy Prophet said: We are
returning from the Jehad Asghar (fighting) to Jehad Akbar (struggle against one-
self). (kashaf). He also said: The 'Mujahid' who is exalted above other 'Mujahid
-s is the one who strives against his own self.
The life of the Holy prophet was divided into two parts, his life in Mecca and
his life in Medina. During the Meccan period, he and his comapanions were 
subject to every kind of persecution but they were not permitted to undertake
Jehad by sword. It was granted after their migration to Medina. Now it is clear
that every moment of Holy Prophet's life was devoted to Jihad. It would be
wrong to say that he did not carry out jihad in the Meccan period and carried it
out only during Medina period. Jehad was carried out in the Meccan period, thoug
-h there was no fighting and killing of enemy. In the Medina period, Jehad was
continued in the same way but here Jehad by fighting was also added.
Let us now consider the attitude of the Promissed Messiah, peace be upon him,
towards Jehad by fighting. During his time, British rule had been established
over the subcontinent of India. Before the British this part of the country was
subject to the rule by the SIkhs who had abolished all religious freedom,
especially for the Muslims. In this connection the Promissed Messiah stated:
"The Muslims have not yet forgotten the time when, at the hands of Sikhs, they
were condemned to a blazing oven and not only was their world i ruins but also
religion was even in worse case. It was difficult for them to carry out their
religious lbligations, so muc so that one occasion a Muslim was killed for 
calling out the Azan. (Announcement of 10 July 1900)." It has been observed that
the Sikhs were inspired with great hatred of the Muslims. Muslim men, women and
children were mercilessly slaughtered; their villages were ruined; their women
were dishounoured and thousands of mosques were demolished. (Encylopaedia of
Sikh literature, p.1127). After British rule replaced Sikh rule, a "darbar" was
held in Allahabad on 1 November 1858 in which total religious freedom was 
announced for all along with a promise of treatment of all with equality under
the law. 
In thses circumstances, when unlike the Sikhs the British Government did not
consider the Muslims as deserving to be killed and they were granted complete
freedom of their religion, its profession and practice, the Promised Messiah
announced: "Government has granted to every people full freedom for the propag-
ation of their respective faiths and in this way people have been provided with an opportunity to study and reflect upon principles of every religion....that
is the reason why we, in our writings and our speeches, make mention of the
beneficence of the British Government." (Roedad Jalsa Dua).
In his booklet 'Tohfa Qaisariyya', the Promissed Messiah explained the doctrine
of JEHAD as follows: 
	"The second principle on which I have been established is the clarificat
	-ion of the doctrine of Jehad which has been misinterpreted  by some
	ignorant Muslaims. I have been made to understand by God Almighty that
	those practices that are currently regarded as Jehad are entirely oppos-
	ed to the teachings of the Holy Quran. There is no doubt that the HOly
	Quran permitted the Muslims to fight under directions that were more
	reasonable than those relating to the battles of Moses and were more
	attractive than those related to the battles of Joshua, son on Nun. 
	They had their origin in the fact that those who had taken up the sword
	unjustly against the Muslims and committed murder and carried on their
	tyranny to the extreme deserved to be punished by the sword. Nevertheles
	this punishment was not so severe as was inflicted upon the enemy in the
	battles on Moses. A person who accepted Islam to agreed to pay the poll
	tax was exempt from punishmetn and this method was in accord with the
	law of nature...In short, at the time of Holy Prophet, peace and blessi-	
	ngs of Allah be upon him, the basis of Islamic Jehad was that God's
	wrath had been roused against the tyrants. But living under the rule of
	a benign government, as is the Government of out Queen and Empress, it
	is not Jehad to entertain rebellious designs against it but it is a
	barbaric idea which is born of ignorance. To entertain ill-will against
	a government under whom life is lived in freedom and there is complete
	security and religious obligations can be discharged to the full is a 
	criminal step and not Jehad... Thus, God Almighty had established me on
	the principle that sincere obedience and gratitude should be rendered
	to a benign government such as the British Government. My community and
	I are bound by this principle. I have written several books in Arabic
	Persian, Urdu on this question and have expounded in them in full
	detail how the Muslims of British India lead their lives in comfort
	under the British Government and how they can freely propagate their
	faith and discharge their religious obligations without let or hindera-	
	nce and how wrongfull and rebellious it is to entertain any idea of
	Jehad against this blessed and peace loving Government.
						(Tohfa Qaisariyya, pp. 9-10)"

This make it clear it in the view of Promissed Messiah, there was no ground for
undertakingJehad by the sword against the Government in India as none of the
conditions of Jehad operated in India.
The Promised Messiah, peace be on him, was NOT ALONE in holding the view that
Jehad by the sword was not permitted against the British Bovernment in India.
All the eminent divines of his time made declarations to the same effect and
in accordance with them refrained from any acitivity which might be considered
as the Jehad by the sword and thus confirmed their declarations by their 
conduct. By way of illustration, we set out some of these declarations.
1). Maulvi Muhammad Hussain of Batala, one of the out standing leaders of Ahle
Hadees, declared: "It is not permissble for the Muslims to fight, or to help
with money and men those who fight, against of what ever religion, whether
Jewish, Christian or other, under whom they live in security and are free to
discharge their religious obligations, Accordingly, for the Muslims of India,
opposition to or rebellion against the British Government is forbidden."
(Ishaatus Sunna, vol. 6, no. 10).  
The same divine urged: "Brethren, this is no linger the time of sword. It has
now become necessary to use the pen in place of sword." (Ishaatus Sunna, vol.6
no. 12).
2). Maulvi Muhammad Jafar Sahib has stated: "it is also correctly related that
while Maulana Ismail Shaheed was delivering a sermon during his stay in Calcutta
some one asked him whether it was proper to carry out Jehad against the British
Government. In reply the Maulan said it was not permissible to carry on Jehad
against such an impartial and non-bigoted Government." (Biography of Hazrat
Syed Ahmed, p.57).
3) Maulvi Muhammad Hussain Sahib of Batala wrote: "At this time all the conditio
-ns of Jehad are non-existent. Therefore, in India, from Calcutta to Peshawar,
and from Sindh to Deccan, no one is at liberty to carry on Jehad against the
British Government.   (Ishaatus Sunna, vol 9, no. 1)."
4) Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Founder of the Aligarh College, wrote in 1858: "The
vigorous conspiring of the Muslims adn their consulting together that they
should unite in carrying our Jehad against non-muslims and should win their 
freedom from the Government is an utterly baseless thing. The Muslims enjoy comp
-lete security under the Government and can in no wise carry on Jehad against
it." (Causes of the Indian Rebellion, p. 104).
5) Maulvi Murtaza Ahmed Khan Sahib has recorded that the Khalifatul Muslimeen 
Sultan Abdul Hameed II of Turkey communicated a declaration to the British that
the Muslims of India should not fight the British as they had proved to be the
allies of and in sympathy with the Islmic Khilafat. (History of the Nations of
the world, p. 639).
6) Maulana Maudoodi Sahib declared:  "When the Muslims were defeated and the
British Government was established and the Muslims were content to live in 
this country with freedom to practise their personal law, this country ceased
to be a country at war.  (Book on Interest, p.1)"

All this shows that all serious minded Muslims have been grateful to the British
Government who rescued them from the oppression and religious persecution of 
Sikhs and gave them complete religious freedom. Mulsims divines were united in
declaring that it was not permissible to enter upon Jehad against the British.
According to Ahmadiyya Community the causes and conditions of Jehad were non-
existent in India and therefore Jehad was not obligatory on them and by not
embarking on it they were not guilty of any default. But those who believe that
they are under an obligation and then commit a default in respect of it are
certainly sinners.

The Promised Messiah set forth the true Islamic teachings concerning Jehad. He
states:
	"With a doubt the causes of Jehad do not exist in this country in these
	days. Therefore, the Muslims of this country are today forbidden to 
	fight in the name of religion and to slaughter those who reject the 
	Islamic law. God ALmighty has clearly forbidden Jehad by the sword in a
     	TIME OF PEACE AND SECURITY."
					(Tohfah Golarvia, p. 82)

It must be remembered that the Promised Messiah, peace be on him, did *NOT* 
forbid Jehad absolutely. He argued his Community to carry Jehad all the time.
He states:
	"The Jehad of this age is to strive in upholding the word of Islam, to
	refute the objections of the opponents, to propagate the excellence of
	the Islamic faith, and to proclaim the truth of the Holy Prophet, peace
	and blessings of Allah be upon him, throughout the world. This is Jehad
	till Gol Almighty brings about other conditions in the world."
					(Letter addressed to Mir Nasir Nawab shb
In this letter the words: 
	"Till God Almighty brings about other conditions in the world"
are worthy of note. They clearly indicate that he did not reject the concept of
Jehad by the sword but believed that the obligation of such Jehad had been post-
poned in this age on account of the absence of the conditions that call for it.
He did NOT abrogate  Jehad by the sword, nor could he do so as he was bound by
the Holy Quran. He cited the hadith that the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings
of Allah be upon him, had prophesied that the Promissed Messiah would not fight
with the sword as his age would be a time of religious freedom.

Finally we would draw attention to a statement of Hazrat Khalifatul Masih II 
which explains the attitude of the Ahmadiyya Community towards Jehad. He states:
	"As the salat is obligatory so, when the need arises, is fighting for
	the faith obligatory...It should be remembered that of the matters which
	have prescribed as the principle constituents of faith, one is Jehad...
	He who turns away from Jehad when it becomes obligatory is condemned to
	hell."
			(Report of the Majlis Mushawarat,  1950)


At a time when the conditions for Jehad by the sword did not exist the Ahmadiyya
Community eagerly carried out Jehad with the Holy Quran, which has been called
the great Jehad, and Jehad against their own selves, which has been called the
Greatest Jehad. They continue to refute the Christian and other opponents of
Islam. Afeter the establishment of Pakistan, when the Dogra forces and the
indian army were suppressing the Muslims of Kashmir, the Ahmadiyya Community of
Pakistan was the only one that raised a volunteer corps called the "Furqan 
Force" to fight in Kashmir along with the army of Pakistan and thus carried out
Jehad by sword in practice. Several young men of Furqan Force became martyrs in
this fighting. Thus, when the time came for Jehad by the sword the Ahmadiyya
Community participated in it at once and should the conditions of Jehad by the
sword arise again, the Ahamdiyya Community will, God willing, not hesitate to
discharge the obligation of Jehad by the sword.

This concludes my letter. I hope it will answer the questions of many.

Please contact me if you have any more questions about Ahamdiyya Islam.

REgards
Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
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