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From: carm@cs.umd.edu (Richard Chimera)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: What's the best program for non-windows DOS hypertext?
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:17:11 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


The following article was posted to this newsgroup some time ago.  I have
used the product called HyperTies and consider it a very good program.
Independent studies done a few years back (admittedly when there were
less of such programs around) have shown that HyperTies was quickest to
master browsing and authoring.  You can call them at 800-229-TIES.


Article 1424 of alt.hypertext:
From: Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu (Alex Ferguson )
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Partial list of DOS hypertexts
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:33:02 GMT
Organization: DAC, Child Psych, UPMC



Hi,
	I read this list, and contacted the Perter Norton Co. (Symantec) 
about the "Norton Hypertext Engine" - this is not for sale.  These are the 
internal routines that they used to produce a hypertext product called "The 
Norton Guides."  This program is no longer being distributed.
	The service rep. recommended a program called Folio Views from a 
comapny called Folio.  He said it's the package of choice for HyperText 
systems currently.  I haven't heard mention of it ont the group, and I was 
wondering if anybody could point me in the right direction as how to contact 
this company.

								Alex
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Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: "Ernest Perez" <demoep@mail.psi.net>
Subject: Re: HyperText/Card for windows
Organization: Access Information Assoc., Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:48:29 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.11)

>FROM:   Speaker for the Dead <cornpop@glia.biostr.washington.edu>
>Is there a HyperText System available for windows?

Lotus SMARTTEXT is a windows program.  HyperWriter is due out right 
about now with Windows version of their hypertext.  Owl Guide has been 
windows since it started, even used runtime windows, before it got to be 
widely based.  MaxThink is putting out a windows version.  I'm sure 
there are probably more.


-ernest perez
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: julian@panix.com (Julian Dibbell)
Subject: Info on hyperfiction?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:15:15 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: hyperfiction

I'd like as much information as is out there (titles, summaries, etc) 
on available hyperfiction--public domain or commercial. Especially
welcome would be any info re: ftp sites where PD works of hyperfiction 
 can be got. Thanx.
From: ag129@cl.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Partial list of DOS hypertexts
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: ag129@cl.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <Alex.26.714418382@camp.wpic.pitt.edu> Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu (Alex Ferguson ) writes:
>	The service rep. recommended a program called Folio Views from a 
>comapny called Folio.  He said it's the package of choice for HyperText 
>systems currently.  I haven't heard mention of it ont the group, and I was 
>wondering if anybody could point me in the right direction as how to contact 
>this company.

I don't know if there is more to Folio Views than is built into the
Novell NetWare help system, but if there is nothing more to it than
that, I wouldn't exactly call it a hypertext system. More a full-screen
help system with selected words that can be clicked on (which is not 
much more powerful than, say, line-mode VMS help) and a global search
facility. Nice for building a custom help system around, maybe, and 
perhaps it has a lot of OEM customers that way, but I would want to be
convinced of its capabilities before using it for anything more powerful.
E.g. does it let the user examine the path they have followed to reach
information. I suspect the word 'hypertext' is being used as a selling
point here. You could call IBM's mainframe ISPF package a hypertext system
that way, and that would be silly!
From: harmo@valt.Helsinki.FI (TIMO HARMO)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: HyperText sytems (hyperwriter)
Summary: Found two commercial HyperText packages
Keywords: hypertext
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:01:31 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Faculty of Social Sciences

>From: gaa6926@usl.edu (Accardo Glen A)

>It isn't public domain, but it is rather inexpensive and it is good:
>HyperWriter! by NTERGAID.  Their phone number is (203) 380-1280.  The

I must disagree. I bought the package because of a PC-mag (byte?) review, 
and somebody praising it in the net, but I found it rather horrible, 
crashing all the time, very slow scrolling (or no scrolling - if you move 
down one line, the whole screen is redrawn), very unfinished program. 
Ntergaid told they have now fixed some bugs (like now you can click with 
mouse at directly at the hotspot, not one line below it as in my version!). 
And it wasn't that inexpensive either. 

You can always take a look at Black Magic (ntergaids pd-hypertext system, 
archie should be able to locate it somewhere), and if you like that one, 
maybe you should consider getting hyperwriter (if you do, I can sell my copy)
 -Timo (harmo@valt.helsinki.fi)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: morris@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Ted Morris)
Subject: Create MS-DOS CD-ROM hypertext product?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 19:37:20 GMT

Need help re: currently popular/respected MS-DOS based hypertext
development products.

We are trying to work up a project plan in a short "window of
opportunity" for funding--something other University folks can
appreciate, I'm sure--for what will turn out to be a sort of a hypertext
book on CD-ROM, if we're successful.  A professor here is already a
successful print publisher, but wants to take the text of his last work
and update it in electronic form this time rather than just in print
form.  This means the text, figures, and tables.  It is a reference
work, so the "chapters" follow a regular format.  I can see the
opportunity to cross "data base" and "hypertext/linking" lines here,
since the text content organization is so regular.

I'm thinking about things like when the text says "in Figure 12 you can
see the results of..." and having a command, button, or function-key to
press which will "pop up" or otherwise switch to active "Figure 12".
I'm not defining whether "Figure 12" will be a scanned image or redrawn
artwork, or whether it will be .PIC, .PCX, .TIF, .EPS, or whatever--I'll
be more limited by the products which can show this and text, I suspect,
than by how I can deliver the Figures.

I've been hanging around the edges since Hypertext '89 in Pittsburgh,
but this will be my first real -funded- project (we hope!).  Otherwise,
I haven't worked much with anything but HyperCard (and a -little- look
at Owl Guide).  This project is defined as being MS-DOS based.  I'm
inclined to try to stay away from Windows, but that's not a given.

So, what are currently popular MS-DOS based products that would lend
themselves to creation of an MS-DOS CD-ROM like this?  Will something
like MaxThink be able to handle the text links (like to tables or other
articles which are related) and the "figures"?  Will I have to use
Windows-based products, or are there non-Windows products which can fill
the bill?

Theodore Allan (Ted) Morris, University of Cincinnati Medical Center,
513-558-0177V, 558-0758F, MORRIS@UCUNIX.SAN.UC.EDU, MORRISTA@UC.EDU, 
NTS WB8VNV.  Call me up and I'll talk data to ya!
From: olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson)
Subject: Re: Create MS-DOS CD-ROM hypertext product?
Reply-To: olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:08:03 GMT


MaxThink products will definitely do what you describe--in fact a
big-six accounting firm uses them to produce a hypertext reference on
CD-ROM for it's internal use.  

Limits on graphics derive from the PC, not the program.  You must
provide the graphics in multiple formats to accommodate the various
display options that you want to support.  All PC's support character
graphics, but once you get to Hercules (HGC or MGP) cards, CGA, MCGA,
EGA, VGA, and Super VGA you need a separate file for each kind of
display. 

I'm not familiar with all the graphics conversion programs available,
but it may not be possible to do all the variants by file
conversion--someone else may speak to that issue.  

Of course you could call a file viewer to show a .GIF, but then you
can't link out of the graphic--at least I've not found a way. When
HyPlus shows the graphic, you can jump *from* the graphic to other files.

MaxThink products don't provide overlay capability, so any screen with
embedded graphics has to be a graphic screen.  You can have text on it,
but you cannot edit the words with a text editor.  Use a screen painting
program with text capabilities instead.  I've used PAINT.COM from the PC
Magazine utilities to add highlights to captured screens.  I've used two
kinds of screen capture programs: one reads text from a screen and types
it into another application, the second creates a 4000-Byte
"BLOAD-Format" screen which has attributes as well as text.

I haven't done any .PCX images yet, but be aware that a 720x348 Hercules
screen displays a 2.4-inch by 1.16-inch original as a full screen when
you use 300 dot-per-inch scanning.  Originals and screen images are
about the same size when you use 75 dot-per-inch scanning (Screens are
mostly 72 dpi.)

You should not need a windows product for your project, but if you
decide to go that way check out Doc-To-Help which will compile your work
to run with the built-in help engine of windows.  That's a WexTech
product that I posted about a few days ago.  

Finally, think about the organization very carefully.  MaxThink products
do not have a sense of forward and backward as Hypercard has in a stack.
You can only choose next and go previous--that's *not* the same thing. Also,
Hypercard keeps separate sequences and you can switch among them. 
MaxThink products do not do this automatically.  You can build an
equivalent, but it requires "quasi-duplicate screens" to keep the
threads from tangling.  

I've developed some very nice examples of functions in HyPlus--live
tables of contents, active tables, jumps to examples with multiple
aspects, and step-by-step examples using successive screens.  The issues
of writing for hypertext, screen layout, and organization have been
really instructive--it puts much more of the publication under the
direct control of the author.
-- 
Kirtland H. Olson                     olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: gilberte@media.mit.edu (Gilberte Houbart)
Subject: Re: refs for linear-nonlin trans?
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:49:39 GMT


>I was wondering if anyone could point me to ANY references on
>translation of linear texts to nonlinear environments.

The Voyager Company has now a toolkit for doing this on a mac and it's
pretty well done with a nice user interface. The result is a Hypercard
stack.

GilberteF%O-
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: dhirmes@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: footnote to Update on the FAQ
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:32:20 GMT

If you have information about a hypertext system that should go into the FAQ
please send:

Name of system
cost of system or if it's PD
where to locate the system
what platform(s) the system runs on
a short description of the system

thanks.  send e-mail replies to:

dhirmes@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: brauch@idtsun11.kfk.de (Ilko Brauch)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Simple public hypertext tool searched
Keywords: hypertext
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:23:07 GMT
Reply-To: duepmeie@idtsun4.kfk.de
Organization: "Kernforschungszentrum Karlsruhe"


-- I'm looking for a simple public domain hypertext tool (with source code avaiable). It should be possible to create links to the text edited. With a viewer it should then be possible to follow the links by simply using the mouse. The system should run on a SUN sparc station. 

The hypertext facilities of the GNU emacs/epoch are a little to uncomfortable for my purpouses (no mouse sensitive following to the links e.g.). The extensions in EHTS aren't also, because it isn't possible to follow links in texts with the mouse and the software doesn't seem to run stable here. The facilities of SUN's answerbook would be very nice. You can follow the links on pages, which use different fonts and even graphics by simply double clicking the mouse. But I don't know a possibility to edit my o


wn text and links with this tool.

Thank you for reading this text. I would be happy to get hints where I can find a tool in the kind described above. Thanks in advance !
                                             Ilko Brauch


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Kernforschungszentrum Karlsuhe           brauch@idt.kfk.de (email)
7500 Karlsruhe (Germany)
Postfach 3640
Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: gaa6926@usl.edu (Accardo Glen A)
Subject: Re: refs for linear-nonlin trans?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:19:42 GMT

  One work that you may wish to consult is Hypermedia and Literary Studies,
edited by  George Landow.  I don't have my copy with me (It's been borrowed
almosted the entired time I've owned it.) but I remember an article in it
by a fellow who put the works of Lao Tzu into a hyperdocument.  He included
other things, and generally made a nice "docuverse."

  I've been doing the same thing with William Blake, although I'd hardly
call his works linear -- at least not in the straight sense of the word.
Making the translation is probably not as difficult as you might think.
Some of the organization is bound to follow traditional hierarchical 
patterns for the material, other parts can be added to the hierarchy
rather easily.

  I found that the most important thing to add was ALL of the original
works that you want -- and I do mean --==*> ALL <*==--  In my case,
that was everything that W.B. wrote.  Now, I am adding multiple versions
of his works, critical works about his illuminated poems, biographical
information, and I am creating a time-line as another spine in the docuverse.
As the last part of my project, I am going to add various tours through
the data -- for freshman literature students to deal with small works like
"The Tiger" and "The Lamb," and for advanced students to deal with the 
more difficult prophetic works.

  I'd be interested in hearing from other people who are doing similar
translations, not only with literary topics.  If anyone else is dealing
with hypertext as a tool for literary pedagogy, I'm especially interested
in hearing from you.

glen accardo                 University of Southwestern Louisiana
gaa@usl.edu                  English Graduate School
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Subject: Re: Partial list of DOS hypertexts
Originator: welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: OSU-LAIR
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:45:25 GMT


Yeah, I keep hyping NoteCards. Anyway, it'll be out for DOS soon, like
hopefully at the end of this month/mid next month. Send me mail if
you'd like notification. 

...arun
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Venue
welch.mv@envos.xerox.com, or welch@cis.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: dhirmes@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Update on the FAQ
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:58:02 GMT

Thanks for the replies concerning an FAQ on hypertext systems.  I've begun
to compile info.  I've already made a few trips to the Library of Congress
(I'm in DC for the summer) which has yielded some good results in terms of
a bibliography.  If anyone else has a list of books or periodicals on
the subject of hypertext or hypermedia please send them to me.
I'd also like to have an extensive list of hypertext applications, so if anyone
has information on these systems, send it to me: 
	Xanadu
	FRESS
	ZOG
	KMS
	GUIDE
	HyperCard
	NoteCards
	Hyperties
	TIES
	HyperTRANS
	IDEX
	MaxThink
	SmarText
	TextPro
and the plethera of others I'm sure are out there.

I'll put together the FAQ in ASCII to be posted here and archived wherever
FAQs are archived.  We've already got someone willing to create a MaxThink
hyperdocument out of the ASCII file, and I might be willing to create a
HyperCard stack.

Also, if anyone has info on on-line hypertext based systems other than
	World Wide Web
	WAIS
	Hytelnet
please send me info.

Send all messages via e-mail.  Thanks.

David Hirmes
dhirmes@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: lubich@bernina.ethz.ch (Hannes Lubich)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: Textnet, IBIS
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:23:25 GMT
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

I have a related question: I'm looking for a way to get rIBIS for Sun's.
Does anybody have an idea whom to contact to get a license?
Thanks a lot in advance
	--HaL

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Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: gaa6926@usl.edu (Accardo Glen A)
Subject: Re: HyperWriter 3.03
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:15:35 GMT


About a week ago, I posted a message about HyperWriter.  Since that time,
I have received an upgrade to version 3.03.  Frankly, although NTERGAID
added some features, the program is just not finished.  I have tried
three different video drivers; none of them work.  The mouse cursor seems
to be schizophrenic: it changes colors and apparantly can XOR itself into
an inverse image or just a random splotch.  Buttons, etc. seem to press
themselves.

I spent considerable time creating some screens, only to have them 
disappear, but only 90% of the time.

Hyperwriter redraws the screen FAR too much.  Sometimes it redraws twice
just because.  Earlier versions were somewhat slow scrolling through large
text blocks, but nothing truly aggrevating and only is certain rare cases. 
Version 3.03 is slow for ALL screen operations.  Text is bad, but don't
even consider graphics.

I still like HyperWriter, but I'll continue to use the old version until
I receive the Windows version.  For those of you considering the purchase:
don't, not yet.

glen accardo                 University of Southwestern Louisiana
gaa@usl.edu                  English Graduate School
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson)
Subject: Doc-To-Help
Keywords: Windows WexTech RTF HELP
Reply-To: olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:11:06 GMT

I just saw Doc-To-Help demonstrated at the Windows & OS/2 conference in
Boston.  It looks good, seems fast, and may help some people.

D2H  v. 1.1 is an add-in to Microsoft Word for Windows 2.0 that takes a
text document and provides formatting via style sheets to produce
printable manual pages.  Working from that file, D2H creates the Rich
Text Format (RTF) file and the project file needed to use the Microsoft
Help Compiler, then compiles the help file.

It helps you index the text and provides the tools to do styles, page
layout, floating footers, margin notes and cross-references.

Decisions about the hypertext linking are automatically derived from the
styles assigned to the document plus additions you deliberately make. 
You can control the content of the document and the hypertext separately
if you wish. 

To author, you need Windows, Word for Windows, and Doc-To-Help; to read,
you need only Windows.

You could consider this as a tool to convert linear text to hypertext,
but the result may depend critically on the organization of the original
document.  It is reasonably fast--crunched 18 megabytes of document to
hypertext in 2 hours of machine time--so maybe it lets you do more than
one draft in the time available. 

WexTech has a demo disk and brochures available.  Contact them at:
VOX 212-949-9595, FAX 212-949-4007.  Current version is 1.1, list price
is $295. 

I would be interested in the comments of persons who have used the
product since I only saw an expert use it.




-- 
Kirtland H. Olson                     olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: gilberte@media.mit.edu (Gilberte Houbart)
Subject: Re: Creating an FAQ
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
	<hadgraft.197.713400585@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>
	<1992Aug12.142602.6456@mydual.uucp>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:39:03 GMT


In the meantime, before having something more sophisticated, couldn't
we have just an FAQ file in plain text?

Gilberte
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
From: yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown)
Subject: Re: Simple public hypertext tool searched
Organization: /mit/yandros/.organizations
	<TB06.92Aug17223131@pl118a.cc.lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:29:11 GMT


> And besides that Bob Weiner is designing a mail reader which will work
> smoothly and powerfully with Hyperbole -- the mail reader will allow
> automatic refiling of msgs based on any criteria you can code in Emacs
> Lisp. It also will allow prioritizing based on who the msg is from
> (e.g., your boss).

What will this do that isn't already done in both the rmail and VM
support packages???  (And the WWW package, too! :-)



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From: rkirk@alcor.concordia.ca ( ROBERT KIRK )
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: What's the best program for non-windows DOS hypertext?
Summary: need info on programs
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:46:18 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

I am looking for names of some of the best hypertext programs for DOS 
without windows. Can you folks give me some of those which you have found to 
be the best. Thanks. Please send E-Mail to rkirk@alcor.concordia.ca unless you
think everyone wants to see this.
From: jray@igc.apc.org (James William Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.hypertext
Subject: Re: info on/experience with (g)IBIS ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:32:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1306100004:cdp:1306100006:000:754
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jray    Aug 18 03:32:00 1992


Hello again,

Thanks to everyone who sent me e-mail & info about MCC, Corporate 
Memory Systems, addresses, phone #'s etc.

I made some phone calls, requested brochures, etc. and I will 
post my findings here in a week or three -- right now it's finals 
week.

Thoughts on IBIS so far: Seems like one of the best tools we have 
for cutting up political rhetoric and getting to the real issues. 
As a related issue, have you ever noticed how often a newsgroup 
topic can get miles away from its subject-thread even though the 
subject-header remains the same? Seems to me that an IBIS-like 
interface might solve this problem, and mebbe cut down on some of 
the misunderstanding and resultant flames as well...

 James. 


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