HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Subject: Re: Jade Cove, Calif
Reply-To: walter@optimla.aimla.com (Walter Hunt)
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 01:08:20 GMT

In article <9207231841.AA11379@shogun.smos.com>, joseph@shogun.smos.com (Joseph Crunk) writes:
|> 
|> I thougt I'd give the kelp another couple weeks to thicken up
|> then head for Jade Cove. Does anyone have any experience with
|> diving there?
|> 
|> I've read several reviews in dive rags but I've yet talk with
|> anyone that's actually been there. (there's probably a reason)
|> 
|> What I do expect is a long hike, steep climb, exposed ocean,
|> thick kelp, and 9000 lb jade boulders. So far it sounds like
|> fun. :-)
|> 
|> Any other input would be welcomed.
|> 
|> -Joseph Crunk
|> 

	Other than the huge boulders, you've pretty much got it pegged! The hike
is probably only "moderate", (couple hundred yards), the climb is a real pain,
and the kelp wasn't too bad last October when I went. All in all, it was a
pretty fun dive.

	The cove itself is pretty small, and full of boulders, so you need to be
a little careful on entry and exit. In addition, the small size of the cove
leads to pretty hairy surf sometimes. Not recommended unless you're used to
beach diving in surf. On the other hand, the guy I went with went again in June
this year, and said it was like glass!

	One important thing: get a couple pieces of raw jade and study what they
look like underwater. (HINT: it doesn't look like jade.)

	Well, I tried to draw an ASCII map, but I'm just not up to it.
Here are two of the things to look for:

	Jade: Well, of course. But what they probably won't tell you
till afterwards is that the larger hunks tend to be found in the
broken-up, surgy area at the North end of the cove. At least one
150lb. hunk has been pulled out of there by someone I know.

	Cave: There is a large hunk of rock just south of the center
of the cove. If you go to the South side of it, there is a cave down
about 15 ft. If the surge isn't bad, you can stick your head in and
see where somebody has actually chipped a large hunk of jade out.

	Cabezon: Yeah, just like they said, big, slow, funky-looking,
and decent eating. They seem to like the cove a lot.

	If you would like more info, feel free to e-mail.



-- 
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From: bob@hubcap.clemson.edu (Bob)
Subject: DrySuits
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:46:20 GMT

Hi all!

I posted a message about the new SAS/BodyGlove Comfort suit.  This is a
related question that I did not ask in the other message. I am trying to
decide on which type of drysuit to buy, a neoprene fitted type drysuit
or a shell type drysuit of some kind of trilaminate. I am leaning
towards the neoprene type drysuit like the SAS/BodyGlove Comfort suit. I
was jsut looking for anyone out there who has used either type to give
me some hints or advice.

Bob Staaf
bob@hubcap.clemson.edu

From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:41:14 GMT
Subject: NAUI courses
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Distribution: ca
Expires: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 06:00:00 GMT
Keywords: NAUI ITC instructor course cross-over crossover


NAUI is offering an Instructor Training Course (ITC) and Instructor Cross-over
Course at the end of August.  It will be held at the University of California's
Marine Lab at Bodega Bay (Bodega Bay is about 65 miles north of San Francisco).

It appears to be staffed by the same outstanding set of Instructor Trainers
that worked at the UC Santa Cruz ITC last August.  I couldn't recommend this
group of trainers highly enough.  There are outstanding lecturers and some of
the most experienced instructors on the West Cost (3-digit NAUI numbers among
them!)

The ITC lasts 10 days and the Cross-over course is the last 4 days of the ITC.

There is also an auditing option available for those who'd like to just see 
what it's like, or attend the lectures and observe the training sessions.

Note that the costs of the ITC and the Cross-over include room & board.

I've posted a separate thread for the each of the ITC, ICC, and the ITC Audit
Option, to make it more convenient for readers to find exactly what they want
and ignore the rest.
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:20:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Deep diving and Cave diving
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Distribution: ca

In article <1992Jul20.214233.3584@odin.corp.sgi.com> mango@nova.esd.sgi.com (Eric Manghise) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.145624.23859@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, scribler@bnr.ca
>(Dennis Richards) writes:
>|> Ok, I'm the originator of this post so I'll ask again..
>|> where do you learn to do deep and cave diving. Particularily
>|> here in Canada if possible. Jon Vander Hill, you are
>|> obviously (from your sig.) a "Caver". Where did you learn
>|> this (I can guess who NACD might be but help me out here)
>|> ie. location etc. and do you know of anything around
>|> Canada (particularily Ontario). How long are each of the
>|> courses etc. Can this info be obtained via mail to a
>|> particular Corp.? (such as NACD).
>|> 
>|> The Mad Scribbler
>
>
>	
>	Here is the address of the NACD:
>
>		NACD		(National Association of Cave Diving)
>		P.O BOX 14492
>		Gainesvelle, FL. 32604
>
>	I suggest you write to them and get a list
>	of qualified cave instructors you can contact.
>	You will probably have to go out of your area
>	to get cave certified.
>
>	If you want to learn about deep diving and mixed
>	gases contact KEY WEST DIVERS in KEY WEST, FLA.
>	This is run by Billy Deane he is the best there 
>	is at this sort of thing. They may require you
>	to be nitrox and cave certified first.
>
>	If you are interested in NITROX diving contact
>	the following.
>
>		ANDI	(American Nitrox Divers Inc.)
>		74 Woodleft Avenue
>		Freeport NY 11520
>
>		1-(516)-546-2026
>		1-305-451-2551
>
>	If you want more detailed information contact me at my email
>	address.
>
>         ______          ______ | Discover the best two thirds of the world...
>    _  o(_||___)________/___    | Eric "mango" Manghise
>  O(_)(       o  ______/    \   | (mango@esd.sgi.com)    1-415-390-1588
>*______/------o-'            \  | PADI DM #51370  NACD #1263   ANDI #2807 

Nitrox diving is getting more popular in Northern California, especially for
University-related research diving.

The following announcement is FYI.

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American Nitrox Divers, Inc. (ANDI) SafeAir _r_ nitrox courses

Location:

  Bodega Marine Laboratory, University of California, Bodega Bay, CA
    (Bodega Bay is about 65 miles north of San Francisco)

Dates:

  Monday,   August   31: Nitrox Users Course (follows NAUI ITC)

  Friday,   September 4: Service Technicians Course
  Saturday, September 5: Gas Blenders Course
  Sunday,   September 6: Nitrox Users Course
  Monday,   September 7: Instructors Course (Labor Day holiday)

The Instructors Course will enable NAUI Instructors to teach an Instructor-
specified specialty in Nitrox diving.

For more information, contact

  Tom "Omaha" Greene
  3254 Park Lane
  Lafayette, CA 94549-2621
  (510) 935-4775
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
From: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Quayle a diver?
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:59:48 GMT
Reply-To: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsequitur

In article 3319@helical.com, rallan@gun.com (Robb Aley Allan) writes:
>
>BTW: there's another rumor floating around that Jerry Garcia of the Dead took up diving  
>not long ago. Maybe we should get Quayle to buddy up with Jerry ...?
>

Apparently true.  When I was diving on the Bilikiki last year in the Solomon Islands, the boat
managers/DM's Kay (Neville?) and Jim Light mentioned that The Boyz used to come down to
Hawaii a lot; apparently when they were managing the Kona Agressor many members of the
Dead and friends chartered that boat for a week of diving.  According to Kay they are good,
conservative divers, and were very much into identifying sea life, learning where to
look for the interesting creatures, etc.  Must have been a fun week of live-aboard!

Of course with Jerry. you have to wonder about the wisdom of an overwieght, diabetic, unfiltered-
Camel-chain-smoking person diving, but...

chas/
(mixing of hallucinogenics and diving is *definitely* contraindicated!)  ;-)
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From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Subject: Re:  Saltwater Aquarium
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Jul 1992 09:02 EDT  

In article <1992Jul20.081636.5179@resonex.com>, dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell) writes...
> (crap deleted--) )
>For damsel to be a buck or two means one of two things. Either people are 
>raising them in tanks or pools commercially. Or they import so many that the 
>50 to 80% mortality rate doesn't mean anything. 

How did you get such definitive wisdom?  Perhaps import methods have improved
and their survival rate is higher?  


>Am I just behind the times here? 
I'd say so.

>Its been four or five years since I had a 
>tank set up so I'm not real current. (If my company would just leave me in
>one spot for awhile!)
> 
>Cheers;
> 
> 
>-- 
>Dan Kell                  
>email to dan@resonex.com
>"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
From: heumann@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (John Heumann)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 17:59:40 GMT
Subject: Re: What the *heck* are "Sea Lice"?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

In rec.scuba, heumann@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (John Heumann) writes:

>   Does anyone have definitive information on whether salt water
>   schistosomes capable of infeecting people exist?

I did some further checking.  Looks like the intermediate hosts
for the schistosomes that can infect people are all fresh water
snails.  There are salt water molluscs which are intermediate 
hosts for species which can cause swimmers itch but not schistosomiasis.

-jh-
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Are ther YMCA dive agencies in Australia ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:25:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <1992Jul24.034511.17598@scifi.uucp> njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich) writes:
>
>... [ comments about a UDT entry deleted ] ...
>
>I do a parody of this entry sometimes if I'm holding a camera.  I
>stand on the dive platform and then fall into the water turning over
>in mid-air, so that I land on my tank.  I'll typically do this if I
>have a camera in my hand, and don't want it to impact in the water.  
>
>You have to be careful not to hit the side of your head on the water
>if you do this.  You could rupture an eardrum that way.  A hood will
>tend to protect your eardrum from impact.
>

Why not a simple back-roll?

The crew on most dive boats will hand a diver's camera to him after he has
made his entry.  

While it's not *always" possible to have your camera handed to you, it does
sound far preferable to the possibility of ear damage...

...but then, if it works for you...
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
From: weg@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Diving near Tampa, Florida
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:05:28 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

My husband, Dave, and I will be in Florida for a few days in mid-August. We are
both recently NAUI certified OW1 divers and would like to spend a day diving
while we are in Florida (on an otherwise unpleasent trip). We will be staying
in Lakeland, not to far from Tampa.

We would appreciate any information anyone can give us in regard to the local
underwater sights and dive operators. We're hoping for a 1-day boat dive if
possible. We will also need to rent gear...

I checked the archive site at Ames and didn't find any info on this area of
Florida so any information anyone can give us will be greatly appreciated!

The diving that we have done so far has been off the California coast so this
will be a new experience for us.

Thanks in advance!

Wendy   (weg@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu)
From: jml@taco.visus.com (Jim Large)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Holiday trip to Bonaire
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:05:05 GMT
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

In article <9207242105.AA07432@cfa.harvard.edu>  
geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU writes:

> [...Bonaire...Bruce Bowker...]
>
> There comes a point when the divemaster's briefing aboard your
> typical cattle boat becomes much more a source of irritation than
> information.  "I will lead this dive to 80 feet for 30 minutes"
> [...Dive Master==Dictator, shore dive == freedom...]

I stayed at Bruce Bowker's Carib Inn about two years ago, and went on 
several of their boat dives.  The destination was usually chosen by the
group (typically 6 or 8 divers) after they boarded the boat, and staying
with the dive master was strictly optional.

----------------+------------------+------------------------------------
     |\ /|      |  Jim Large       |  Visual Understanding Systems, Inc.
     | V |      |  jml@visus.com   |  2100 Wharton St.                  
   \_|   |__    |  (412)488-3600   |  Pittsburgh, PA  15203             
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From: zipp@foosw6.enet.dec.com (Eric S. Zipp)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Skin Diver Magazine
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:47:38 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <nr8bfd4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes...
> 
>If the phone numbers for Undercurrent and In-Depth aren't in the FAQ, they
>*should* be.
> 
>Regards, Lee
> 

	... so does anyone have the phone number/contact address???

Eric

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From: grover@mighty-joe.isri.unlv.edu (Kevin Grover)
Subject: Dive Computer (Limits)
Reply-To: grover@isri.unlv.edu
Organization: Information Science Research Institute (UNLV-ISRI)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:53:18 GMT

Hi,
	I recently wanted a visual idea of the differences of the
depth limits (i.e max time at depth) for the model of my Dive Computer
(The Source, Sherwood) and the Navy tables.  So, I created a little
gnuplot script/datafile to plot them.

	I think it would be interesting to add data from other
computers.  If anyone can supply such data that would be great.
Basically what I want is the list (usually in the back of your manual)
that lists depth/time limits.  Also, I would like the model name and
maker(distrubutor) of the machine (i.e. Oceanic DataMax Sport)

	My brother has a DataMax Sport so I can get data for that,
although I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same as The Source.

	If there is any interest I can post the final data/graph
scripts.  If no one else cares about this kind of information, then
ignore this post.

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 grover@isri.unlv.edu | ISRI - Information Science Research Institute
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From: BLG242B@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Eric A. Lazo-Wasem)
Subject: Re: fs in alt.binaries.pictures.misc
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:40:21 EDT

 
I am interested in how gif files are accessed.  Can you provide some basic
information?      E.A. Lazo-Wasem  (blg242b@yalevm.yale.ycc.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re: Lead/Weights
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:07:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <53460040@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>How about "leather" type gloves?

	Divers in the Monterey, CA, Bay Area require neoprene gloves for warmth.
	Leather gloves over the neoprene might work, but they'd have to be
	really big gloves.
	
	I used to use garden gloves and leather gloves when diving tropical
	waters but find myself in agreement with resort operators who discourage
	gloves as a deterent to fingering the coral.
>
>|
>|Mine always wear through the finger tips first.  You'll loose a little finger-
>|tip sensitivity when you're wearing these gloves but it's not severe.
>|
>|Aqua-Seal on glove and wetsuit seams will further seal the seams and prevent
>|the stictching from unraveling.
>
>Is Aqua-Seal a Neoprene glue?  If so, how about the 3M variety?  Has anyone
>tried this?
>
>lawrence

	Aqua-Seal is a translucent gel glue that can be used for neoprene.
	It is not one of the "black gunk" neoprene glues though.  (I prefer
	the "black gunk" for mending neoprene; it forms a far less visible 
	seam than Aqua-Seal.)

	I haven't tried any 3M glues on neoprene.
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
(415) 857-6432                                     peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: Sea Wasps
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:41:30 GMT


In article <9207241752.AA11629@shogun.smos.com>, joseph@shogun.smos.com (Joseph Crunk) writes:
># But no one ever saw or encountered any during our week on-board.  The crew
># said that if someone was stung, they would be taken directly to a hospital
># on Grand Cayman as a precaution.  They also were checking to see if anyone
># was allergic to bee stings, since such folks would be more sensitive to
># stings from sea wasps as well.
>
>Anyone allergic to bee stings needs to be concerned with sea wasps, as they
>can create a severe allergic reaction that can be fatal.
>
>If you have EVER experienced swelling from a bee sting that is any more than
>normal you need to assume a 'full-body' reaction to even a brief, minor
>encounter with a sea wasp. Be prepared. There's no way to know if or when
>you will go to a 'full-body' reaction (Vasogenic Shock, refered to as
>Anaphalactic Shock). It's not a pleasant way to go. It rates up there with
>burning to death as my favorite way to die :-(
>
>If you do react, and it's quite possible if you're in any way allergic to
>bees, it will probably be fatal without immediate/prompt medical attention.
>
I am allergic, and carry an Ana-Kit (Holester, Rx required) in my personal
First Aid Kit.  In addition, I have Benedryl and a venom kit.  I used to carry
an airway (I have one in my "big" kit), but my wife wasn't sure she could use
it if needed, so I figured, why carry it?

>When boat diving in areas where sea wasp are expected, make sure the boat
>has a working 'diver recall' system. If someone surfaces with sea wasp wounds
>and are headed toward Anaphalactic Shock, the boat will need to go NOW!!!
>All divers need to get on that boat ASAP!!!
>
>From a preventitive angle, these critters usually hangout within 10-15 feet
>of the surface. When ascending to the surfacing, purge a regulator for a couple
>of seconds (from a depthof 25-30 ft).  The rising/expanding air will harmlessly
>push these fellows away, making a 'hole' for you to ascend in :-)

Just dumping the air from your BC should help, but I hadn't thought of that
little trick.
>
>-Joseph Crunk
>
>
--
Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     | Lawyers are like nuclear warheads, every-
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          | body has some, and when you use them, they 
                                    f*ck everything up.
                                                  Danny DeVito, _OPM_

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: troberts@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Timothy Roberts)
Subject: Product Reviews (was Re: Skin Diver Magazine)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:00:05 GMT

I have read a suggestion here that needs to be acted upon.  I am
currently accepting "personal opinions" on scuba equipment.  I am only
going to accept information on the five big purchases: First stages,
Second stages (regulators), Computers/consoles, Bouyancy compensators,
and Suits/skins.  The summaries will be e-mailed to submitters and
posted to this news group.  An FTP archive will be maintained.

All responses must have the following information:

Type of equipment
Model
Manufacturer
Price paid
Place purchased
Length of time it was used
Condition of item when used
Conditions under which it was used

Most importantly:  
Your name 
E-mail or Postal mail address 
Phone number
Number of dives
Special dive certifications

Finally: your opinion/observations of the equipment

I have phoned as many manufacturers as I can think of and hope to get
their assistance in divying out test equipment in the future.  If you
look like my idea of an objective submitter I will try to scare some
equipment your way.  Additionally, I am including in this evaluation
the opinions of some dive-master/long-time friends.  My opinions will
not be used except as confirmation of equipment defects.  I promise
to contact you by the most expediant manner on topics for which you
have submitted opinions.  This will be an iterative process.  Direct
all flames to me - by e-mail.
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