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From: allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU.gas.unsw.OZ.AU (Allan Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Summary: Sorry, no peeve... but...
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:05:50 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) pontificates:
> In article pld@ileaf.com writes:
> >[re: if job performance is good, off-the-job recreation not companies
        business...] 
> 
> Agreed.  But the pro drug-testing types then come back and say that drugs
> have a lingering effect after the buzz wears off, ergo their intrusiveness
> is justified.
> 
> [Army dood's reasoning for testing...]
> and-white matter of having recently used drugs or not.  There are a lot of 
> other terms in the equation, including but by no means limited to how well
> rested a person is, what kind of schedule they've been keeping lately, 
> stress (either job related or for personal reasons), etc.  And the Army 
> generally doesn't make bed checks or subject its people to weekly 
> psychological testing, so why should they single out a person's choice of
> recreational chemicals for scrutiny when there's no evidence of a problem?
>
> [ethical obligation to work...] 
> [Alcohol usually ignored or condoned...]
> [other stuff]

I find it amazing to read such level-headed, reasoned, and logical arguments
in alt.peeves. In addition, it amazes me that Geoff often spouts such level-
headed reasoning. Personally, wouldn't it just be easier to blow the fucking
dope-smoking drug-hazed unwashed scum of a hippy's head off? Voila. No more
on-the-job drug problem. All of us law-abiding beer-swilling wife-beating 
real men would then be able to sit back, secure in the knowledge that WE ARE
RIGHT! 

Fuck... where's my coffee....cigars anyone?

Al
in Oz
with a new tire on his motorbike... man what a dif!

ObPeeve: Ok, here's my coffee, where the hell is the milk?
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From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Cryin' baby express ... what to do?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:49:37 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <24249@castle.ed.ac.uk> egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>In article <17297@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:
>=>In article <mcnally.712021277@wsl.pa.dec.com> mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:
>=>>
>=>
>=>The rate of suicide and alchoholism is higher in Sweden. It must
>=>be all those parents whose kids are driving them up the wall.
>
>I know it's kinda boorish to bring Facts into Peevetown (check 'em at the
>gate, honey) but this is an invention of Old Mr Eisenhower, and has no
>basis in reality.



Since when does reality or the lack thereof count for anything in Peevetown?

The reason the suicide rates are higher there is because life insurance
will pay out on suicide, which they do not do here. In the US, the MDs
take pity on the grieving family and will cover up for the suicide by
writing in things like "accidental self-immolation" instead of "deliberate
self-immolation" as cause of death.

Peeve: That insurance will not pay out on suicide.  Its not like the
insured is going to keep repeating it.

ER
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From: scott@festival.ed.ac.uk (Scott Larnach)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: The Peever's Dictionary, Volume II
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:10:26 GMT

Claudio.Terrorist@ed.ac.uk (ObTerrorist) writes:
> Scott can withness that I eat garlic.

It's just as well I like garlic, or I might have found it less than
pleasant to wake up in the morning, sweating garlic, as a result of
simply having smelt someone's breath the night before.

S
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Mortgage vs. rent [was Re: hypocritical Guvmints]
From: thompson@gumby.mgi.com
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:33:39 CDT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.100759.11341@sco.COM>, charless@sco.COM (charles stross) writes:
> 
> In article <24049@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes: 
> [ entertaining rant deleted to save bandwidth ]
    [ditto Holmes' rant about mortgages & those who find you suspect if
     you don't have one]

Peeve: People who, finding out you're renting, tell you it is less
expensive to buy a house than to rent an apartment. This is the
biggest load of bull! I think it is just a symptom of the trapped
feeling that home-owners have (see Holmes' rant) and their wishing
you were in it with them.

I finally broke down and bought 1/4 of what is called (here in the
U.S.) a quad home. If I were to pay off the mortgage with no extra/
early payments, this tiny 70,000 dollar home would cost me roughly
a quarter of a million dollars. Ooooh, what a great investment! And
if I sell it off earlier, I'm in even worse shape, because approx-
imately 98 percent of my payment now goes toward interest. Add in
all the littles taxes that the city, county and state now charge me,
and all the equipment, repairs, utilities, etc. that used to be
included in my rent, and I now pay about three times what my rent was
for about twice the space.

I'm glad to be out of the apartment. I just don't like being told
cheap and what a good investment it is. Phooey!

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: elliott-bruce@CS.YALE.EDU (Bruce Elliott)
Subject: Re: Those Damned Station ID Things
Keywords: ARGH
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.212538.3644@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> ewing@ibmb8.cs.uiuc.edu (Brandy "Bang" Ewing) writes:
>*peeve on*
>
>You know what I HATE?  Those stupid station identification graphics
>that they flash on the screen every once in a while.  I have gotten used
>to the VH-1 thing they have as well as MTV and USA...theirs are all nicely
>put in the corner.
>

The Fox station in State College used to flash its logo (it was bright 
yellow) in the lower left corner of the screen fairly regularly.  Then
when the Gulf War started, they would accompany it with a yellow ribbon
with a large bow across the upper right quarter of the screen.  This was
somewhat distracting.

However, it was amusing the time the ribbon flashed on at exactly the 
right time to make Captain John-Luc Picard look like he was wearing a
jaunty yellow bow tied around his head.


Alex Elliott
The Lemming.
elliott@minerva.cs.yale.edu
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky)
Subject: Re: BDI On Board
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:21:20 GMT

Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford) writes:

>Today I saw a new twist - a car with a "Dog On Board" sticker 
>in the back [...]
>I mean, what's the point? Sure, having a dog in the car can 
>be a hazard [...]

you bet it can. i recently had the misfortune to be confined to the 
same car as one canine of the small yippy variety for several hours. 
this animal had a number of interesting habits concerning its favourite 
place in the car. this favourite place can best be described in one word:

    elsewhere.

wherever the beast was, it wasn't content.  it would move around the car
in a most irritating manner, taking advantage of its considerable
agility and inconsiderable size to be at the most inconvenient place 
at any given time: `honey, your dog is *not* going to sleep under the 
brake pedal. not while *i* am driving!'

on the subject of the stickers themselves: let us assume for the moment 
that the intention of the people sign-posting the contents of their cars
in this manner is to beg others for respect and care for their 
delicate freight. 

this is understandable in the case of babies. i mean, their 
production and raising are not exactly unmixed pleasures [ahem], and 
i can certainly understand that anyone who has gotten to a certain 
point in the process doesn't want the brat mashed a to pulp in 
an accident, lest they have to start the whole thing over again. 

in addition, whether or not it is justified in the individual case, 
people tend to develop emotional attachment to their offspring. 
so, regardless whether `baby on board' signs actually do any good, 
i understand the *intention* behind putting them up. 

but dogs? this is ridiculous! unless the dog is amazingly well-trained,
and managed to pass the driving test (*), it is safe to assume that there
is at least one human being in the car at the same time. 
what goes on in the minds of people who, in effect, tell the 
world: `never mind the humans in this car, see that the dog doesn't
get hurt'? people that far removed from reality should have their 
license revoked permanently. 

alternatively, they could set a monument to their priorities by letting 
their car have the 1-cubic meter service [heh!] *without* getting 
out first. the result is to be labeled `canned dog food' 
and be delivered to the local dog pond while still warm and juicy. 

-alex

----
(*) now that i think of it, this is not too unlikely, from what i hear 
    about the yoosan driver's test ...],  


-- 
Alexander Vrchoticky             alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
TU Vienna, CS/Real-Time Systems  +43/1/58801-8168
From: serget@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Serge A Thill)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... (was: DAGADAGADAGADAGADAGA...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:09:50 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky) writes:
: 
: peeve:          digging    the        sidewalk      frigging
:         they're         up     damned          with          jackhammers.
: 
: 
: extra-peeve: i have some work to go with it.
: 

anti-peeve: Your post. 

melancholic-peeve: Why am I laughing at other people's misfortunes?

In such cases I generally move to the computer room where the hard-disk
noise is loudest. No doubt it will cover the jackhammers. Better the 
devils you know.

--
Serge Thill.      E-mail: serget@cogs.susx.ac.uk
                  Other Networks: serget@syma.sussex.ac.uk
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Mr Science Visits Santa Cruz
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:15:14 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) writes:
] [...]
] 
] Peeve 2:  This is Amateur Hour compared to what they are doing 
] downtown.  It is sort of like a micro-mouse competition for humans,
] where the prize is you get a cup of coffee, and the maze is made of
] chain-link fences and plank walkways.  They change it every day,
] too.  This seems like weird activity for summertime in a tourist
] town, especially when the street that is torn up is one of the
] former tourist attractions.


Trust us, it is For Your OWN GOOD.

We are Hear to Help YOU.

When You learn to fit in, and adapt to your environment
you will feel very positive about all of this.

ciao
drieux


ObPeeve: "Want a Cup of Coffee?" just doesn't have the same
ring to it as, "Want a piece of Candy little girl?"



-- 
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as they are such a Known Waste Of BandWidth,
And Therefore Not a Morally UpRight Choice.
But I Can See the HideousHienousHandOfHeteroSexualityBehindItAll.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich)
Subject: Re: Self-serve gas stations
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:20:29 GMT

Here's a big antiPeeve:  A lot of the gas (petrol to the old world) stations
around Atlanta have put in pumps which you can just insert your credit card
into and pump 'til you pop.  When you turn the pump off, it'll ask if you
want a printed receipt and print that bad boy right then and right there
for you.  One needn't even set foot in line inside.

I use these pumps almost exclusively now.  My favorite petrol (gas to we
colonists) station has these pumps AND the lowest price in the area.

Peeve:  Last night, a fax machine started calling me at 11:30.  It called
        back every hour, on the half-hour after that until I wised up and
        took the phone off-hook at 2:30 A.M.

"Brrringggg!"
"Hello?"
"Beeeep... beeeep... beeeep..."
Slam!

If I was a techie-nerdy kinda guy, I could have hooked up my pocket fax
machine to the phone to see who in Hell was pestering me.  The most
techie-nerdy that I've gotten is just to the point that I have a '386-20
and an external modem hooked up to the phone.  All the other connections
are "people" connections.

When I replaced the handset at 8:15 or so, the calls seemed to have
subsided.  I never got a call at 8:30.

Peeve2:  Fellow Atlantan, one Mr. A. Jing "Dave" Hippy, was in town for
         the weekend.  Due to my full weekend schedule and his full
         weekend schedule, we never did get to meet face-to-face.  Our
         respective records of never having met another peever in-person
         are intact.  Still, I got a "KILLER", way ]<001 photo at the
         Braves game Saturday.  Outfielder Otis Nixon figured most
         prominently in that photo.  Braves fans will (or may not?)
         know the play I am referring to.

antiPeeve2:  The money I made for my labors on saturday and Sunday will
             hopefully make up for missing the Dave-ster on his visit.
--
"From each, according to his ability,
to each, according to his needs." - Democratic party leaflet (sound familiar?)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: elliott-bruce@CS.YALE.EDU (Bruce Elliott)
Subject: Bedhead  (was: Re: Newbie Alert!)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:28:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.121519.1354@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>              			
>obpeeve: Or how about this one? The ever popular waking up after sleeping
>and your hair's all messed up. I hate when that happens.
>	

I realize this was just poking fun at the newbie, but I really have to
respond.

Imagine the three following facts in juxtaposition.

1.  I have fairly long bangs, about 5-6 inches long, and my hair is quite
    straight.

2.  I use hair gel -- some days I use more than others, but I always use
    some to keep aforementioned bangs from obstructing my vision.

3.  I sleep with one pillow under my head and a second one on top of my
    head.

As you can imagine, any sweat produced by my scalp is prevented from
evaporating by the pillows, it softens the gel, and my hair gets 
plastered into new and interesting shapes by the pillows and held there
by the gel.

As a result, when I get up in the morning, I have long spikes of hair
sticking out several inches in random directions, vaguely reminiscent
of Edward Scissorhands' coif.  This means that any social interaction
with other people, including roommates and the like, must be postponed
until after my shower since it is very hard to converse with someone
when they keep pointing at your head and laughing.  No amount of combing
or brushing will quell the phenomenon, a shower is the only cure.

Maybe I should shave my head or something.

Alex Elliott
The Lemming.
elliott@minerva.cs.yale.edu
From: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: hypocritical Guvmints
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:18:56 GMT
Reply-To: Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford)
Distribution: alt
Organization: Penicuik People's Revolutionary Sheepdog Liberation Front

And lo, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> P.S. When did you say the recovery is starting? Real Soon Now!

It's already started Jeremy! The reason you might not have noticed is that,
in typical Government style, the way in which it is decided whether the
economy is recovering or not has been changed, to remove all those nasty
annoying bits of reality that made the Government look bad. "Recovery" is
now defined as "Getting worse less slowly."

--
		Not Al Crawford - Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk
     "The water shines/A sheepdog skips across the face/A dozen times"
From: sac@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Newbie Alert!
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:15:19 GMT

In article <92209.132614CEG112@psuvm.psu.edu>, CEG112@psuvm.psu.edu commits
a potentially immolating act:
									
> Or how about this one.  The ever popular making a right turn while at a red
> light.  If there's no sign saying you can't do it then do it.  I hate getting
> stuck behind someone who doesn't believe in turning on red then you have to
> sit through the light another 15 minutes.  Or better yet the people in the fast
> lane that drive slower than the people in the normal lane.  If the speed limit
> is 55 then go 60.  They just put around.  Either use it or get out of it and
> let others use it.

I almost hesitate to respond to this infantile attempt at peeving. It sounds
like jenni's little 9 year old bro got a hold of her passcode while visiting
her at the dorm.

By the way, does anyone else have the sense that jenni is the "Dan Quayle"
of alt,peeves... or is it just me.
              			
obpeeve: Or how about this one? The ever popular waking up after sleeping
and your hair's all messed up. I hate when that happens.
	
Am I a peevetown member yet?

Scott A. Chasse
U of Fl.  IFAS
        -Ft. Lauderdale
Research Center


"Do your ears swing low do they wobble to and fro,
Can you tie them in a knot, can you tie them in a bow,
Can you toss'em over your shoulder like a continental soldier
Are you Ross Perot?"
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: Oh, and one more. . .
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
	<LARRY.92Jul22093656@peak.psl.nmsu.edu>
	<1992Jul23.041338.7056@cs.yale.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:17:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.041338.7056@cs.yale.edu> elliott-bruce@CS.YALE.EDU (Bruce Elliott) writes:
    In article <LARRY.92Jul22093656@peak.psl.nmsu.edu> larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
    >
    >And Nova is Spanish for "Won't Go".

    Actually, "No va" is Spanish for "Doesn't go."
    Spanish for "Won't go" would be "No ira'."

 Actually, I think he said something like "Cabrone! Nova! No va!"

 L.
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Freedom, freedom, take the wall away! Freedom, freedom, we will not obey!
From: pwg@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Goldberg)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: PAC-Learning Geometrical Figures
Keywords: complexity, inductive learning, computational geometry
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:09:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

!Peeve: This morning, the final version of my thesis rolled off the
presses. Going against Rick's better judgement, I took it to the
bindery to inflict savage paper cuts on unsuspecting bookbinders.

Peeve: The Delay Paul's Thesis conspiracy. Two of the laser printers
didn't have enough toner, so I sent an email to the technical support
to replace a toner cartridge in one of them. There's another laser
printer which is the only one which can do double-sided documents, and
since I have to print it single-sided, I'd beeen reluctant to hog this
printer. Given the likely delay in getting the toner cartridge
replaced however, I now tried this third printer. It got as far as
page 48 before stopping. The job remained in the printer queue, and
the printer itself displayed no error messages. But - nothing further
was printed. (It later emerged in an email I got from one of the
system administrators that the printer had "somehow got confused".) I
went back to one of the other printers and discovered that when you open
it up there's a calibrated dial, which a little experimentation
revealed was equivalent to the lighter/darker control on photocopiers.
I was in business again. Although my first attempt to print the rest
of my thesis worked, the pages after 67 had a ~1.5 inch horizontal
strip about 1/4 of the way down the page where the print was
noticeably darker, and also contained faint "shadows" of the letters
contained therein. I managed to get an acceptable output from the
other printer, albeit with the right-hand side of the page ever so
slightly fainter than the left. An earlier peeve of mine on the
subject of the printed output is the butt-ugly fonts for some of the
mathematical symbols. Until a few weeks ago, the ones that seemed to
be available for the natural numbers, real numbers, etc symbols were
just simple, non-nonsense, sans-serif symbols. Then one night they
suddenly changed these to some oversized, elaborate and hideous
symbols, which if you weren't careful would end up touching commas or
other punctuation marks that you put after them. And the two slanting
lines in the natural number symbol aren't parallel. Be that as it may,
I eventually caved in and used these fonts. Some people have their own
fonts available so that their documents are not defaced by a whim of
whoever manages the document preparation software, but I don't have
time to work out how to do that stuff.

Peeve: There is no rest for the wicked. In my thesis I stated a
theorem and gave a sketch of the proof, omitting the full proof "in
the interest of coherence". So I promised a complete proof in a later
paper, and am now under a moral obligation to write that up.

Paul.


Voltaire to Rousseau, on reading Rousseau's "Ode a la Poste'rite'":
"Mon ami, voila une lettre qui ne sera jamais recue a son addresse"
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
Reply-To: z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Organization: PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Activists
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:25:00 GMT

carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) writes:

>Actually, there are several private companies that already have such
>a policy, although it isn't really catching on, since it is very 
>expensive, doesn't seem to catch many people, and gets a lot of the
>employees pissed off, especially the ones who don't have anything to
>hide and think they shouldn't have to suffer the indignity of peeing
>in a bottle whenever the higher-ups feel like making them.

	I was once employed by a company that felt drug-testing was a
Good Thing (tm).  Thus, after two months of hard work and outstanding
reviews from my supervisors, some suit told me I had to piss in a bottle
*while he watched* so they could assure that I was a good employee.

	I complied with most of it.  After pissing in the bottle, I
turned around and pissed on this asshole's Italian suit.  I then tossed
the bottle at him (oops!  Forgot the damn lid!) and told him that I was
leaving his employ for another line of work.  It was the single most
satisfying thing I've ever done, with the possible exception of various
incidents involving high explosives.

--
<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >