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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dr. J dunk
Date: 29 Jul 1992 17:31:55 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Dr. J

In article <1992Jul29.195601.8176@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
|In article <1992Jul29.151859.22032@alw.nih.gov> mchavez@helix.nih.gov (Mark D. Chavez) writes:
|>>>In <16811BD55.PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu writes:
|>>>
|>>>>Bob Beamon's world record was broken ten years earlier than anyone had
|>>>>suspected.  BTW, nothing against the Doc (who was surely one of the greats),
|>>>>but _anything_ he could do, Jordan could do better.
|>>>
|>
|>Doug Collins on TNT stated that Dr. J could dunk the basketball from a 
|>standing start **out of bounds** from behind the backboard.  When he was
|>coach of the, correction, Da Bulls, he asked Jordan if he could do it.
|>Chalk one up for Dr. J.  He did some truly amazing feats in the ABA which
|>went unnoticed for the most part.
|
|I'd say the Doctor could do more.  He didn't fly as often as Jordan, nor
|was he as creative, but as for physical skills, who could match him?  Not
|only did he have that vertical, but he had what Jordan doesn't, those
|incredibly long arms.  I think that famous footage of when he soared from
|behind the backboard and layed it up on Kareem is unequaled.
|

When I was living in Philly I remember seeing many highlight films of Dr. J.
One that really impressed me was a sequence when Dr. J was playing CENTER
in the ABA.  The clip showed him skying over everyone else for the rebound.
Then, they cut away to an interview with Julius where he was talking about
those days.  He said that in the ABA he used to try to jump higher all
the time and was constantly improving, but that he had toned down his efforts
from those days because he didn't want to shorten his career.

Rick

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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:31:26 GMT

 Rodmans buisness unfortunately is in FRISCO, TX. which is a SUB of 
DALLAS,	not Houston, ESPN did report that he may retire...he is just fishing 
for offers to get the HELL out of DETROIT.  Would you want to be a player or 
a FAN for the PISTONS?








In article <1992Jul24.140711.22390@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
>Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
>Date: 24 Jul 92 14:07:11 GMT

>In article <Brv2Mn.40s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>>EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>
>>>In article <1992Jul23.121221.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>
>>>tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
>>> 
>>>>Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
>>>>on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
>>>>to play anymore.
>>> 
>>>Yeah, and Jordan is out with a broken jaw, and the Dream Team lost a game.
>>> 
>>[deleted stuff]
>>> 
>>>--Eric
>>
>>read it in "clari.sports.basketball"!!!  UPI posted it today.  i read it,
>>couldn't beleive it, but that is a pretty stable source.
>>
>>jay

>I was watching SportCenter and they said that Rodman was throwing around the
>idea of retiring. It never said he was retiring!

>                                        Dennis Joyce
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Enough is Enough Ed...(and myself as well)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:17:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.204258.49724@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Alright Ed, I think we have now reached our 1 month limit...  It is time this
>thread stopped, once again.  I am bored with having to re-read old posts
>and stuff.  
The same old bait again. I hope you don't use obscenities AGAIN the next time
I accuse you of eating your own words ...

>Oh, don't worry, I am sure you will respond with comments about
>me "wimping" out and all, and everything else, but I've gotten used to your
>stupidity over the monthes.  
Well,  if you have need months and 4-5 flame wars to get used 
to my so-called "stupidity", once again, that tell us how low your IQ is.

BTW, what happen to your "this isn't wimping out or giving up, as I will
argue until JUDGEMENT DAY with you on this if you like ...." on July 4?
Is your judgement day closing in? Poor baby ....

>Who cares whether you think I said the Bird 3ptr was bogus or not??  
Obviously you do very much, or you wouldn't have spent a month on it.

>It is
>obvious to all who care, with the exception of you, that it was not what 
>was said, nor was it what was meant or believed.  
"To all who care" don't mean shit if it only meant you and Nate.

>It is clear that my feelings on the subject were that the call was fine.  
Now? probably. A month ago? I doubt it, or you wouldn't have given an inch
at the beginning of the argument.  It's not until my accusation of your
admission that you realized that you made a mistake....

>You have had a good
>time trying to pick lines apart to try and "prove" that I said something, but
>I am reminding myself of the point of.."who cares"???   
The one who spent 10000 lines arguing with me.

>Ok, obviously, I did for quite a while, but I no longer do...  
Oh, right. That's a wimp out....

>Think what you like, you will
>anyway.  If it puts a little happiness into your sorry life to believe that
>I "admitted" it, then you can think what you like.  Besides, it doesn't 
>alter the main fact that your overall argument of the Boston Bias issue
>was pretty weak.
Let's see. I am still waiting for your list of bogus calls that 
happen on every NBA court. You admitted the BG favoritism allright. Yet you
still haven't shown any proof on Capitol Center favoritism, Mecca favoritism,
McNicoll favoritism, Spectrum favoritism ....

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:55:35 GMT

As promised, here is a list of NBA teams that moved from one city to another.
Thanks again to those who replied.


Baltimore Bullets --> Washington Bullets

Chicago Stags --> C.Packers -->C. Zephyrs -->Bulls

(Only name change)

Buffalo Braves --> San Diego Clippers --> LA Clippers

Milwaukee Hawks --> ST.Louis Hawks --> Atlanta Hawks

Rochester Royals -->Cincinnati Royals -->Kansas city-Omaha Kings --> Sacramento

Ft. Wayne Pistons --> Detroit Pistons

Philadelphia Warriors --> SF Warriors --> GS Warriors

New Orleans Jazz --> Utah Jazz

New York Nets --> New jersey Nets


Comment: Houston Rockets did not move from San Diego. They are successor of Denver Rockets of ABA. I think San Diego Rockets franchise folded.


This is just an elementary list. If you have any questions comments, feel free to post it on the net.

Thanks


Parag
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: All-Star brain teaser....
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:31:17 GMT

In article <16832F3BD.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>OK, without looking:
> 
>Which team had the most representative players in the last All-Star game?
> 
>And no, the Dream Team doesn't count! Tho' that would be a good answer!
> 
>For extra credit, name the players.
> 
>Answer to follow!
>--Eric

    The Phoenix Suns with KJ, Majerle and Honacek.


Edward Hui
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:11:24 GMT
Organization: HMS

>In article <1992Jul21.151302.25692@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, nsg@tarsus.austin.ibm.com writes:
>> 
>> The actual number of Olympic TripleCasts sold by NBC/CableVision
>> as of July 13 is ... in the range of 50,000 - 60,000 according to
>> an independant study. I think the 5,000 number which has been
>> ruthlessly kicked around for the last month was someones' attempt
>> at sarcasm towards the idea of PPV.
>

What's the difference. Even if the total will 100,000 by Sunday,that's
still 1,900,000 short of what they need to break even on $100 miilion expense
on production costs plus $40 million in advertising costs.

NBC Cable clearly didn't do enough research for this thing. People who
did any type of research for NBC three or four years ago clearly underestimated
the inability of many cable companies to expand channels and switch over 
to more modern equipemnt over this pre-Olympic period. 
NBC counted that many of these monpolies would invest some of the profits
into upgrading their systems before July 26th,1992. Wrong! :-)
to expand
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From: rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce)
Subject: Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
	>
 	So, the NBA isn't challenging the Worm anymore.  What a dork!
	The guy is at the peak of his game, and he doesn't want to play
	anymore because his mentor/coach left.  I'm real sorry Dennis
	but give me a break.  This is the real world and you can't
	always have everything the way you want it.  
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:57:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

	In response to the previous postings, I agree, why doesn't he become
	a more complete player if he isn't being challenged.  His ball
	handling, passing and shooting could all use improvement.
	ALso the point of his 3 pt. shooting makes no sense to me.
	How many did he shoot last year-I don't have stats but I would
	guess he didn't shoot more that 30, and probably made 10-12 of
	them.  

	Judging from the posts on this so far, it looks like there
	are two strings here.  The Pissston fans who are bummed that
	he's quitting, and the rest of us who don't really care.
	If he's not man enough to challenge himself, who needs the
	him.

	No wonder his name is RODman.
	
	On an entirely different string, from watching Jason Kidd
	play in the Bay Area Pro-Am league, I don't see him playing
	at Cal for more than 2 years.  He is a helluva ballplayer
	and could probably step into the NBA right now.  Great passer,
	shoots the three, runs the court, plays hellacious D, and
	loves the monster jam.  Very impressive!!


	HAVE A HOOP FILLED WEEKEND


		Russ        
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:30:57 GMT

In article <151h2vINN6t8@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>	What it boils down to is that the US couldn't win the big one when
>>	it counted.  Otherwise, they did rather well, according to the stats.
>
>I also seem to remember that the only bona-fide 3-pt gunner on the '88 team
>(Hawkins) missed the USSR game due to a bum knee.  I wonder how much things
>would have been different if he had been healthy for that game.

Or someone else had picked the team that year.  The entire roster was
chosen for D - and putting one outside shooter on your squad while
playing with the international 3-pt line is just insane.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REAL TripleCast Numbers (was Re: Olympic Tripl...)
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:33:50 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <AHALL.92Jul27170000@slothrop.fmrco.com> ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes:
>I paid for the triple-cast and am enjoying decent coverage ---
>I wopuld like some more events --- canoeing, archery, fencing,
>... but you can't have everything.
>
>
>ah

Oh sure you can! All you need to know is a TV set and a cable wire...:-)
You'll be thrilled to know that 47 million homes that receive NBC's
CNBC,fiancial+consumer new buisness channel, will have access to
PPV replays starting tomorrow at 6pm to 10pm and 1am to 4am.
The screen will be divided in quarters showing the action on Red,Blue,
and White plus the graphics.

On a desperation front : NBC is even cutting rates for a daily
coverage from $29.95 to $19.95(some areas are already down to $14.95)
and will offer two-day special rate for the weekend of $29.95.

I wonder if $125 purchasers or $29.95 a day(last four days) like you will start screaming 
over the these giveways and want to see how peeved you're when strongly rumored plans
of unscrambled PPV coverage will be going on line next weekend... 

-Mark
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Final Score: 102-70 (Re: USA/Croatia time ? )
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:33:12 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <153uraINNpvr@cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>I missed the beginning of the Croatia game.  Has the DT been losing in any of
>their games so far?  2-0?  If not, there could be a small victory waiting out
>there for some team.  I got the feeling against Angola that we should have
>given them Malone and Jordan for the second half just to even things up a bit!
>
>Rick

Actually, Angola was winning 2-1 I think...

-- 
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From: 8914357b@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v AngolaSKIP
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:14:42 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <150r2hINNfgo@cs.utexas.edu>, wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.053008.18505@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) writes:
> |    I had my first look at the Dream Team last night and... man...
> |2. I don't know if Barkley should be in the DT now.  He elbowed someone 
> |after he made a layup.  Totally unnecessary.  (and it's only a
> |play-around Olympic game too)
> 
> Oh, please!  Barkley barely hit the guy!  Charles was smiling the whole time
> and obviously elbowed the guy as a sort of joke.  Kind of like telling him that
> he should of at least fouled Barkley hard instead of giving him the easy 
> break away dunk.  Besides, we can't take Sir Charles of the squad until he
> makes that off the backboard dunk!
> 
   This is absolute garbage.  Barkley nailed the guy.  It was completely
unecessary, and I'm sure the Angolan involved didn't take it as a joke.
That particular move by Barkley has lowered my opinion of him, as the Dream
Team had the game wrapped.  People would be more appreciative of the Dream Team 
if they played like true sportsmen (I'm not saying they aren't, Just Barkley's
elbow taints the team image), and creamed everyone.

> Actually, I found it refreshing to hear Barkley say "They are in trouble"
> after listening to Jordan and Malone trying to be diplomatic.
> 
> One more thing, the stupidest coaching move in the game had to be when the
> Angola coach made comments about how NBA players don't play defense!
> Why not say that they don't know how to foul hard next time...
> 
> Rick

Munster....
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Watch Dream Team For Free
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:54:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.190450.18235@bmerh85.bnr.ca> news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) writes:
>	Any of you folks who live in the northern states who are able to receive CTV (Canada's Olympic Flagship Station) will be able to see Dream Team games for free.  CTV, in its pre-Olympic hype, has promised complete coverage of the Dream Team's escapade through the Olympics.  
> 
>	Therefore, if you can get access to CTV, you can watch the Olympics for free.
>

I take it that CTV is different from CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp/Co. 
or something).  I know that CBC carries olympic coverage (as well as 
tons of hockey games, but that's another newsgroup).  I live in 
the Detroit area and never heard of CTV.  We do get CBC.  Are they 
different?
From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Hubert Davis/Kenny Anderson
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:31:19 GMT


From an AP report in the Raleigh N&O:


For Hubert Davis of the Knicks, an unsigned first-round draft choice,
the five-game, weeklong series in the Doral Arrowwood New York Summer
League was an opportunity to "learn the system, to get the scheme of
things."

For Kenny Anderson of the Nets, the games for NBA rookies, free agents,
and selected veterans, was a chance to recoup some lost training and
playing time from last season.

Davis, who played at North Carolina, averaged 21.0 points for New York,
which was 4-1 and won the summer league championship by beating the
Boston Celtics.

"Some of the things I did for four years at North Carolina, they don't
want me to do here", Davis said.  "I could see where I would be
struggling if I waited until training camp in the fall."

Knicks coach Pat Riley said, "It's too early to tell what role Hubert
will play, but the scouting reports on him were right.  He can shoot.
And I like his overall game.  He knocks down the open shot."

Anderson, a 6-1 guard with one year of pro experience, led all scorers
by averaging 28.0 points.


------


Of course, Davis means the Knicks don't expect him to be a primary scorer.

What Riley means is "Hubert can shoot, but I wish he were 2 inches taller
and 40 pounds heavier.  And that he bit people.  Like Danny Ainge."


Curtis Hill
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org


PS  No NY people saw any of this?



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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:18:30 GMT

In article <Brt6JH.HpH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Well, in most cases yes -- but there are quite a few centers out there
>	who can really drill their FTs.  For example, Jack Sikma and Mike
>	Gminski both are excellent FTers who have reached as high as 90%.
>	Moses Malone is the all-time leader in FTs made, as well as having a
>	career percentage of over 80%.
>
>	Even centers these days are drilling their FTs.  Alonzo Mourning and
>	Christian Laettner were both excellent FTers in college.  While some
>	players have had problems shooting FTs due to big hands (Shaq perhaps?)
>	it's really a mental thing.  For example, Mike McGee and Otis Birdsong
>	were big-time sharpshooters in their heyday in the NBA.  Yet they had
>	no clue at the line.  It's really a matter of the mind, not necessarily
>	skill.
>
>	Jazzy J

It is partially a matter of the mind.  I always thought Birdson's FTs (they
were called Bird Balls because he missed so much) were the product of not
really caring at all.  As for McGee, he could hit the three, but I don't
think he was a consistent outside threat, even though I think he has the 
record FG% for guards (59.4%).  When you look at the good shooters today
and look at their FT%, it matches up pretty well.  Price, Miller, Pierce,
Hornacek, Hawkins, Mullin, J. Malone, all around 90%.

As for those centers shooting FT's well, only Moses Malone really matters.
It's not like the other two drew fouls, and I think they shot FT's well
after they were good.  Jack Sikma was a good 3 point shooter in the end,
it didn't help make him a good center.  Plus, he choked on a free throw
during a playoff series against Atlanta.  BTW, Laettner checked in at
around 80% and Mourning around 76% right?  That's not that great.  I think
Olajuwon and Robinson are both around 70%.  And for that matter, Shaq
sucked at FT's, but did you see him against Indiana?  I think he was 13/13.
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics Rookie Camp
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:43:46 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <91337@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor) writes:
>
>U can't blaim Barry. After all remember who his agent is. Reggie Lewis
>had guts to dump his agent after a while. Hopefully Barry will do same thing.

Obviously he doesn't.

>Speaking of Kofoed ( can anyone tell me how to pronounce his name ) I personnaly
>prefer a college player with potential to a veteran who is basically a bust in
>NBA ( even though he shows pretty decent game as of now ). I am always suspicios

	Ohhhhhhhh.  A college player with the potential to be no better
	than a bust.  Wow.  What more could one ask for.

>when a player couldn't make it with another team. Another thing: Barry was taken
>as Best Player Available. Otherwise the top priority is still big men. Should 
	He wasn't even that.  I can give you three names that would have
	been better players or better for the Celts.

	Oliver Miller -- much talent, weight problem, but that was said
		about Stanley also, and I though he was a player.  Put
		a cluase in his contract, stay under X lbs you make
		$X00,000 extra.  Go over Y lbs you loose $X00,000.
		Yeah, yeah, I know, but Mel was always a 10lbs bacon
		eating @#$@#%#$%^.

	Lee Mayberry -- Definitely will be in the league longer than
		Barry.  Much better player.  Would be worth something
		in a trade.  When Bagley is gone, he could have the
		backup pg spot (probably allow them to trade Dee, since
		so many people seem to be interested in him).

	David Johnson -- As they said we want to backup Reggie.  How is
		John Barry at 6'3" and not very athletic going to play
		at the 2 spot.  There are a couple of guys in the league
		that he can look eye-to-eye with.  Dave Johnson would have
		been far better.  More height, more athletic, better
		ballplayer, can rebound some (desparately needed).

	I would try Rooks, and Houston also before giving barry a change.
	I would also have gone for Steigenga ahead of Morningstar.

>we sign a free agent, it better be a power forward ( Marcus Webb reminds of 

	They keep talking about this in Boston.  Don't you people realize that
	the team has to get rid of Bird, McHale, and Parish in order to 
	free up cash for a free agent.  That's goint to be about two or
	three years, since both McHale and Parish have enough to drag
	out for the next two seasons.  Not to mention that you will only
	be able to get one veteran since they cost so much.

>Pinckney a bit but appears to possess better quickness offensively, so why not
>consider him, even though he did break his leg in NY tournament ). Returning to
>the subject, whatever Barry says in public, it's not him, it's his agent.

Poor Jon Barry, he's been brainwashed by the evil agent.  At 20+ he should
be man enough to make his own decisions as to what to say.  Barry is