From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Eva/Wave and Avant record labels?
Keywords: zorn, discography
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:59:08 GMT
Reply-To: eprice@sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov18.201504.9388@HQ.Ileaf.COM>
anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton) writes:

>In some article, Lynn Rardin, aka rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu, writes:
>> 
>> I believe there's also a Zorn (and Naked City?) recording called LOCUS  
>> SOLUS from 1983 on Eva.
>
>no naked city on locus solus.  '83 was quite pre-NC, no?  (i'm sure ed
>will clear this up.)

Moi??  (DeNiro impression: "You talkin' to me?")

Anyway, I believe you're right.  Naked City's first album appeared in 1990.
I guess they existed before that because the liner notes mention gigs.  But
Locus Solus certainly predates that...

>locus solus was originally a 2 lp (i think they might even have been
>eps) set on Rift records, and it had zorn in a different trio of
>musicians on each of the 4 sides.  unfortunately, i'm having a hell of
>a time remembering who's on it.  christian markley is the only name i
>remember for sure.  david moss?  charles k. noyes?  damn...

It was originally on Rift 7.  I only have the Eva CD, but here's the
personnel:

Tracks 1-8: Peter Blegvad (vocals), Christian Marclay (phonograph and
recycled records), John Zorn (alto and soprano saxophones, clarinets,
game calls).

9-15: Arto Lindsay (guitar and vocals), Anton Fier (drums), John Zorn
(alto and soprano saxophones, clarinets, game calls).

16-22: Arto Lindsay (guitar and vocals), M. E. Miller (drums), John Zorn
(alto and soprano saxophones, clarinets, game calls).

23-30: Wayne Horvitz (organ, electronics), Ikue Mori (drums), John Zorn
(alto and soprano saxophones, clarinets, game calls).

31-36: Whiz Kid (turntables), M. E. Miller (drums, vocals, Linn drums,
congas), John Zorn (alto and soprano saxophones, clarinets, game calls,
whistling).

From the liner notes to the CD (written by Zorn in 1991): ``THE VIOLENT
DEATH OF DUTCH SCHULTZ [track #35] stands as one of the best things I've
ever done, and it was the first time I ever had utilized multi-track
recording techniques as a compositional tool.  As strange as it may sound,
here lie the seeds of TORTURE GARDEN, PAINKILLER, and SLAN.  Mixed,
however, with a generous supply of cartoon music.''

That reminds me, "Cynical Hysterie Hours" is supposedly on Wave/Eva, but
it's virtually impossible to find outside of Japan apparently.  ("CHH" is
cartoon music by Zorn.  It's also available on laserdisc -- with the
cartoons of course, since it's video! -- from Japan.  I ordered it a while
ago in that form and should be getting it soon.  Film at 11...)

"Filmworks 1986-1990" was also released on Wave/Eva, but later also
appeared on Elektra/Nonesuch.

Anyway, that track Zorn refers to does sound a little suggestive of Naked
City (and maybe even Slan; I'm not so sure about Pain Killer though).
Which also reminds of something else: I got a Ruins album recently,
"Stonehenge" (ShimmyDisc 37, I think?).  Highly reminiscent of Naked City
at times.  They are thanked in the Naked City liner notes too.  And Zorn is
thanked in the liner notes to "Stonehenge".  And I think Zorn played with
them; supposedly there's a CD called "Early Works" that contains some of
this collaboration, but I haven't heard it yet.  Anyway, Naked City fans
might be intrigued to check out the Ruins if they don't already know of
them.

Hey, now everyone can pretend (like me) to be an expert on Zorn, with this
clever invention I like to call a "Zorn discography"!  I've made a vague
attempt at chronological ordering by year (by date of recording, not
release).  Any help with this list is, of course, appreciated.  BTW, I
didn't list "Stonehenge" cuz that's just too vague a connection, but I
considered it.  I should probably indicate what Zorn's role is on these
things -- producer, composer, arranger, player, mixer, thanked-in-liner-
notes, etc.  :-)

Here's what it looks like so far (still needs lots of work, clearly):

JOHN ZORN

 Ruins: Early Works                          ??? [CD]
 Cynical Hysterie Hour                       eva ??? [CD]
                                           & ??? [CLV LD]
 Frank Lowe: Lowe and Behold                 ??? [LP]
 The Art of Beautiful Butling                1stRec ??? [CD]
 Hal Willner: That's The Way I Feel Now      A&M ??? [CD]
 Voodoo                                      Black Saint 120 109 [CD]
 Manhattan Cascade                           CRI ??? [CD]
 Tresspass                                   Lumina 11
 David Moss: Full House                      Moers 2010 [LP]
 David Moss: Dense Band                      Moers 2040 [LP]
{"David Moss Dense Band live in Europe" (Ear Rational 1004)?}
 Deadly Weapons                              Nato 950
 Point Blank                                 No Mans Land 8506
 Yankees                                     OAO/Celluloid 5006
 Archery                                     Parachute ???
 Lacrosse                                    Parachute ???
 Control Songs                               Recommended (German) "Review 95"
 Simple Facts                                Theater For Your Mother 4
 The World And The Raw People                Zoar 12

1980
 Pool                                        Parachute POO 11/12

1981
 Improvised Music New York 1981              MuWorks 1007 [CD]

1983
 A Classic Guide To Strategy I               Lumina 4
 The Golden Palominos                        OAO/Celluloid 5002 [LP]
 Locus Solus                                 Rift 7
                                           & eva `wwcx 2035' [CD]
1984
 A Confederacy of Dances I                   Einstein 1 [CD]
 Jim Staley & John Zorn: OTB                 Lumina 8 [LP]

1985
 Current Trends in Racism in Modern America  Sound Aspects 4010 [CD]
 Hal Willner: Lost in the Stars              A&M Records CD 5104 [CD]
 Godard ca vous chant?                       Nato 634
 Zorn & Michihiro: Ganryu Island             Yukon 2101

1986
 A Classic Guide To Strategy II              Lumina 10
 Jim Staley: Mumbo Jumbo                     Rift 12 [LP]
 Tellus #15                                  Harvestworks, NYC [cassette]
 The Big Gundown                             Nonesuch/Icon 9 79139-2 [CD]

1987
 Joyeux Noel                                 Nato 1382
 October Meeting 87 Vol. 1                   Bimhuis 1 [CD]
 October Meeting 87 Vol. 2                   Bimhuis 2 [CD] {Zorn on this?}
 Cobra                                       Hat Art 2034 [CD]
 Fred Frith: The Technology of Tears         RecRec 20 [LP] & ReCDec 20 [CD]
 Spillane                                    Elektra/Nonesuch 9 79172-2 [CD]
          & 1/3 on "Winter Was Hard"         Elektra/Nonesuch 9 79181-2 [CD]
 Seigen Ono: Comme des garcons Vol. 1        Virgin CDVE 51 [CD]

1988
 Seigen Ono: Comme des garcons Vol. 2        Virgin CDVE 52 [CD]
 La nuit des solos                           Van D'Oeuvre 8802
 Friction: Replicant Walk                    Enemy 109 [CD]
 Sato Michihiro: Rodan                       Hat Art 6015 [CD]
 Jad Fair & Kramer: Roll Out The Barrell     ShimmyDisc 12 [LP]
 Blind Idiot God: Undertow                   Enemy 107 [CD]
                 & 4/11 on "Sawtooth"        Enemy 12001 [EP]
 Bill Frisell: Before We Were Born           Elektra/Musician 9 60843-2 [CD]
 News for Lulu                               Hat Art 6005 [CD]

1989
 100 of the World's Most Beautiful Melodies  Trace Elements 1018 [CD]
 More News for Lulu                          Hat Art 6055 [CD]
 Valentina Ponamovera: Live in Japan         Leo 175 [CD]
 Spy vs. Spy                                 Elektra/Musician 9 60844-2 [CD]
 Fred Frith: Step Across the Border          ESD 80462 [CD]
 Bob Ostertag: Attention Span                Rift 14 [CD]
 Intergalatic Maiden Ballet: Square Dance    Tip Toe 888804 [CD]

1990
 Filmworks 1986-1990                         Wave `eva 2024' [CD]
                                           & Elektra/Nonesuch ? [CD]
 Live at the Knitting Factory Vol. 3         A&M Records 75021 5299 2 [CD]
 Marisa Monte: Mais                          World Pacific CDP 7 96104 2 [CD]
 Naked City: Naked City                      Elektra/Nonesuch 9 79238-2 [CD]

1991
 Naked City: Torture Garden                  Earache ?
                                           & ShimmyDisc 39 [LP, AC]
                                           & Toy's Factory TFCK-88557 [CD]
                                           & as "bonus tracks" on Avant 2?
 Pain Killer: Guts of a Virgin               Earache `mosh CD45' [CD]
                                           & Toy's Factory TFCK-88561 [CD]
 Pain Killer: Buried Secrets                 Earache ?
                                           & Toy's Factory TFCK-88569 [CD]
 Elegy                                       Eva wwcx 2040 [CD]

1992
 God: Possession                             Caroline 1874-2 [CD]
 Naked City: Heretic jeux des dames cruelles Avant 1 [CD]
 Hoppy Kamiyama: Welcome to forbidden paradise | Toshiba-EMI TOCT-6487 [CD]

FORTHCOMING
 Naked City: Grand Guignol                   Avant 2
 Naked City: Radio, Vol. 1                   Avant 3
 Naked City: Absinthe                        Avant 4
 Naked City: Radio, Vol. 2                   Avant 5

LIVE TAPES
 Numerous recordings exist.  I wish I had some.  At least one Pain Killer
 videotape exists.  At least four Naked City recordings exist (two audio,
 two video -- there is a possibility that videotapes of the last two gigs
 may be released legitimately).  The entire Radical New Jewish Culture
 series at the Knitting Factory was taped.  A Zorn/Frith/Ostertag recording
 exists.  There are undoubtedly lots more.  Feel free to torture me by
 telling me all about them.  Anyone got any Slan??

Maintained by eprice@sybase.com (Ed Price).

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 gcf@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (Graham Freeland)
 gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
 hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
 malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
 tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)

Ciao,

-Ed (not Tim), eprice@sybase.com (not wildman@...), who is sorry Blind
Idiot God is interfering with another opportuniy to catch Debris.  One of
these days, I hope!
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