From: ckincy@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Jesus was gay and John was his lover. (NOT!)
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:55:02 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

JS = John Spence <jspence@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu>
Smothers  = <smothers@nauvzx.ucc.nau.edu>

[Smothers:]
>>
>>    I would like to apologize for all the homosexual bashing by someone
>>on this net who feels its his mission in life to offend you guys/girls using
>>scripture as justification. Actually most of the christians I know are
>>offended more at homosexuals wanted extra rights without actually qualifying

No need for you to apologize.  Those who use scripture to condemn
others will be punsihed for it.  Eventually.

[JS:]
>Please, we don't want any co-dependents in this newsgroup. Let him bash.
>It takes time to learn that what we say actually hurts people. My
>question is: Can Christians give unconditional love to Homosexuals?

Not sure what you mean by "unconditional love."  If you mean charity,
tolerance, and kindness, well, yes.  If you mean romantic love,
well, only if we were homosexual.  *8)

In fact, *nothing* gets on my
nerves worse than other Christians who use gifts from God to 
harrass and oppress others.

For a minute, assume that homosexuality is indeed immoral.
Is it a Christian's duty to stamp it out?
No.  For, if this is the case, their iniquities shall be punished
in due time.
 
However, it is not at all established that homosexuality is, in fact,
immoral.  In fact, it is highly doubtful that homosexuality has 
*anything* to due with morality, any more than skin color, height, 
weight, etc.  There are moral homosexuals, and there are immoral 
homosexuals.  There are moral heterosexuals, and there are immoral
heterosexuals.  There are moral bisexuals, and there are immoral
bisexuals.  Correlation coefficient?  Zero.  Furthermore, even if it
were immoral, whom does it hurt?  

This is also to say that sexual immorality does not have anything 
to do with orientation.  Sexual immorality is sexual immorality.
"Sleeping around" is immoral, by Christian standards.  It matters not
whether you're straight, bi, or gay.  Even so,
does this give us Christians the right to oppress those who choose
to do this?  No.  Should we politely inform them that "sleeping around"
is not good for them?  Sure.  But, if it causes no harm, we cannot 
justifiably deny them rights.  *That*, my friends, is immoral.

Therefore, Christians who band together and seek to oppress homosexuals
are not acting as Christians at all.  For at least two reasons:

[1]  Judge not, lest ye be judged.
[2]  Love thy neighbor.  Love thy enemies.

Those Christians who seek to oppress others had best remember these
two points before proceeding.  I would suggest that the organizations
that pushed CO:2 and OR:9 ponder these points for a long, long time.

I close with this:  why must Christians take it upon themselves
to punish people for the horrible crime of loving someone of their
own gender?  With all the hatred in the world, I would conclude that
many people in Colorado and Oregon have a contorted sense of priorities.

cpk
A Christian who is sick of all the hatred and violence in the world.