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From: jl52800@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Incredible Mr.Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Here's what you were maybe waiting for
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:35:23 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I saved these two articles and thought they might be of interest here. I did
NOT write these....

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Subject: Orientals and other such delights

Being a white guy, I find that quiet MYSTERIOUS orientals are an incredible
turn on.  I would even say it is a fetish.  Do any other whites have any input
on this?  I guess just certain images and associations and words like, "jade flute"
kind of do it.  How about orientals, do you like whites as well?  If anyone

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>Being a white guy, I find that quiet MYSTERIOUS orientals are an incredible
>turn on.  I would even say it is a fetish.  Do any other whites have any input

I agree totally.  My facination stems from both the sensual and mental
  sides of the coin.  The main perpetrator (sp) of this is the
  "difficult" manner in which some oriental societies organize
  themselves.  The physical aspect can partly be traced to the 
  racial anamosity that the appearance of the young oriental
  female gives, thus giving them the aura of a sex object.  I
  hope my S.O. doesn't read this!
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Comments?


Mr.Wong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Negative connotations, was Media Stereotypes
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:54:36 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

John Park writes:
>Dwight Joe writes:
>>The analogy is 
>>       Feds (folks in the Federation) = Americans
>>       Romulans = Chinese
>>       Klingons = Soviets  (a little out of date now)
>>       Vulcans = Japanese
>Huh?

Actually, I've seen this discussed somewhere else (I forget where,
but it wasn't the net).  The analogy's exactly the way Dwight describes
it:  it's a three-way balance of power, as in the 1960s (after China
became hostile towards the Soviet Union), with the Federation being
the good guys.

In one of the early episodes, when the Romulans are first encountered,
Spock's physical resemblance to the Romulans is a plot element.

>"Propaganda in the Here, and Now? Never!" --said by the Many 
>     throughout history

One of George Orwell's essays says some interesting things about this.
(Propaganda, I mean, not Star Trek. :-)

--Russil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu Cannabalism (Re: Why are we different?)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:44:27 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan7.015710.19630@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Well, I will back up 1 claim:  Chinese-cu atrocities have been at least
>as heinous and digusting  as Japanese-cu atrocities, but the Chinese-cu
>never talk about what Chinese-ge did to scores of people--in Taiwan, China,
>etc.  However, Chinese-cu chomp at the bit to demand an apology
>(which was already given) from the Japanese-ge for things that certain
>other Japanese-ge did.
>
>I post the following without comment (This is 1 of those rare moments
>when I break my own rule of not posting references.).  Note that many

Why not post references? 

>Chinese-cu volunteered to participate in cannabalism and were not forced
>by their gov't to do so.

>Chinese records add cannibalism to 1960s horrors
>By Nicholas D. Kristof, New York Times
>
>San Jose Mercury News, January 6, 1993, pages 1A and 5A
>
>Beijing--Newly disclosed confidential government documents show that China's
>Cultural Revolution plumbed previously unreported depths of savagery.
>                                                            ********
>.......
[quoted document deleted]

This is quite a shock to me.  I have never heard about this before.
I thank Dwight give me some new knowledge about the Culture Revolution, 
and it's ashame to know that some Chinese really did this.  

However, this is not a good evidence to show Chinese culture is a brutle
culture.  If a few criminal can represent a culture, then no culture 
would be acceptable.  

The reason why there aren't many Chinese-cu talk about this is that few
people know it.  How could you expect someone say things they don't even
know?  

Wen



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara)
Subject: Re: Indian-American Historical Notes
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:35:51 GMT


Alan, I saved the following excerpt from a previous posting,
but I thought it was interesting.  Sorry, if it repeats some
things in your post.  (I didn't feel like editing it again.)

As for the South vs. East Asian issue, I think it has to be taken
in context of the happenings in the U.S. (and not Asia) -- that
is, as an "Asian American" situation.

Wataru

=========

This comes out of "Strangers from a Different Shore" by Ronald
Takaki:

   While Asian-Indian immigrants found themselves called
   "niggers", they were more frequently associated with
   the Chinese and Japanese. "Sixty years' contact with
   the Chinese, and twenty-five years' experience with
   the Japanese and two or three years' acquaintance with
   Hindus," declared American of Federation of Labor
   president Samuel Gompers in 1908, "should be
   sufficient to convince an ordinary intelligent person
   that they have no standards... by which a Caucasian
   may judge them."  The Asiatic Exclusion League agreed
   blaming the Japanese and the Asian Indians for the
   violence directed against them: "In California the
   isolence and presumption of Japanese, and the immodest
   and filty habits of the Hindoos are continually
   involving the in trouble, beatings... In all these
   cases, we may say the Oriental is at fault."

I think it's interesting that the perception of Indian
immigrants as wanting to be "white" goes back much further than
the 1960's.  Look at the following logic used in the past:

There was a Surpreme court decision in 1910, "U.S. vs. Balsara",
where they decided that Asian Indians were Caucasians and hence
eligible for citizenship under the 1790 law.  In the 1922 "Ozawa
case", the Supreme Court ruled however that "white person" was
synonymous with Caucasian, and therefore Japanese immigrants were
not eligible for naturalized citizenship.  But in 1923, in
"U.S. vs. Bhagat Singh Thind, the Supreme Court ruled that Asian
Indians were ineligible for naturalization.  They held that the
term "white person" meant an immigrant from northern or western
Europe.  Therefore, Asian Indians were "Caucasian", but not
"White".  In 1924, Congress passed the 1924 Immigration Act that
denied immigration quotas for people ineligible for citizenship.
Also, the anti-alien land law made it illegal for non-citizens to
buy or lease land.  Takaki mentions that between 1920 and 1940
about 3,000 Asian Indians returned to India.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:45:51 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.

In article <9301070808.AA00541@dawn400a.hpl.hp.com> rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>George Wu writes:

[stuff gone]

>>     I think it'll be a cold day in Hell before you see an AA star in the lead
>>role of a mainstream American movie.
>

[other comments gone]

what about tommy chong from cheech and chong fame?  if i recall correctly,
tommy chong is of asian descent although he may be canadian rather than
"american"; nevertheless, his movies were "mainstream" depending on how
you would define that term.  :-)  i believe his daughter is rae dawn chong
and she has also starred in a couple of meaningful "mainstream" movies.

laly thao


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com  (Jeff Heilner)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Independent, Fun-loving, Open-minded Asian Woman
Organization: SPS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:39:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.033233.22612@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.232506.14093@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
> jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com  (Jeff Heilner) writes:
> 
> Hmm...  He's the guy from s.c.j.  I guess that he must have
> received e-mail from a Chi...  Well, never mind.


You've mistaken me for someone else.

This is my first post to a soc.culture group of any kind.

(And I don't know anyone named Chi.)



[Dwight Joe continues his response]:
>>Here are two sets of situations:
>>(1)(a) German-ge men who date only German-ge women
>>(2)(a) Asian-ge/African-ge men who date who only German-ge women
>>(1)(b) German-ge men who go to Germany to marry a German-ge wife
>>(2)(b) Asian-ge/African-ge men who go to Germany to marry a German-ge 
>>       wife.

>>1st generation German-Americans (among many others) may condemn #2 as  
>>being abnormal, while #1 would be perfectly acceptable.
>>Chinese-American people hardly have the market cornered on this type of  
>>"bigotry", or any other type for that matter.
> 
>
> I never said that any group had a market on this type of bigotry.


And, as you can see, I never said that you did.

My point was simply this: 
The act of someone XXXXXX-ge returning to the homeland of XXXXXX-ge people  
to find a wife will be accepted by those who are XXXXXX-ge. However those  
same XXXXXX-ge folks may abhor someone of ZZZZZZ-ge going to the homeland  
of XXXXXX-ge to find a XXXXXX-ge wife. 


> However, over the last year (and more), numerous Chinese-cu have come
> onto this newsgroup and have been complaining about #2 over and over
> and over again.  Ad nauseum.

And over the past thousands of years, there have been people of all races  
condemning inter-racial relationships, especially when a foreigner  
"invades" their homeland looking for a wife.  
 

> It was necessary to point out their bigotry.

Fine. 
As long as we remember that they are not the only ones who suffer from it.

I know, I know - you never said that they were.

It just seems that if your going to dispraise this type of "bigotry", it's  
more useful to do it "in general", rather than denounce a particular race  
for exhibiting it.  


- Jeff 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What's it like outside California?
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:44:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Lots of chinese restaurants in long island New york ( where I grew up )

A couple of korean/asian food stores in Pittsburgh.
Can't seem to find any asian book stores though.

- jon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: AA crime scandal in Orange County
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:31:29 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.

In article <43105@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ee52fbc@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.192914.8927@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>

[chinese-cu bashing deleted]

[most of rebuttal to chinese-cu bashing deleted]

>
>Same goes for white people, green people, purple people... It is
>silly to think that you can guess what goes on in ANYONE'S mind.
>Check out the guy at the terminal across from you... Do you
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>seriously believe you can generalize what his/her value system is?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*eeeeeeeek!*  don't tempt him.  that's like holding a match to a 
stockpile of explosives...made in china, too, no less by those
animalistic chinese-cu beasts!!!  :-)

>
>	Sorry to take up so much bandwidth on something so silly,
>		Maiko

no problem.  it's not as if the bandwidth had been taken up by anything
important.

laly thao
From: cookb@yvax.byu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: channel korea
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:22:22 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University

hello I'm new around here and would like to get get on channel korea
could some one tell me how to do this?

    thankyou.
From: vidynath@math.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: East and South Asians
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:58:56 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1iqc5i$6h2@agate.berkeley.edu> haniff@argon.berkeley.edu (Tariq M. Haniff) writes:
>That's right.  There's a Tennis player by the name of Vijay Amrhatraj
>who has played in a few flicks (including on James Bond film) as a
>sterotypical "raghead."

I was deeply shocked that Amirtaraj would play such characters. The pay
certainly must not have been that important.

>I do know that the English viewed the Muslims and Sikhs of India as a bunch of
Bastards while the Hindus were the the loyalist.  [Flame Invitation]

Invitation accepted :-)

History certainly does not support the above statement. A good proportion of
those taking part in the First War of Independence were Hindu (Rani of
Jhansi, some of the Maratas). Much of the opposition from 1857-1920 was
Hindu. British were trying their old game of "divide and conquer".

The truth of the matter is that the opposition came from the displaced
ruling class. In 1850-1900, Muslims were represented in this more than
their percentage in the population. 

The real problem was that Hindu and Muslim rulers did not unite to fight
the British. When Tippu Sultan was trying to get help from the Maratas
and the Nizam of Hydrabad, the Nizam was reluctant to join because of his
fear/hate of the Maratas. Fingers can be pointed in many directions.


-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: blee@digi.lonestar.org (Benjamin W. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: bimbos
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:41:57 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

In article <lkpi4dINN2q9@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>In article <93007.162057SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes:
>>
>>  I bet all the Chinese girls you know are in Hollywood. _-)
>
>Ahem...  Some of us Chinese _women_ really are in Hollywood...
>;^)
>
>	-- Anita --

As you can see, blanket is VERY dangerous.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.net (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: USENET BBSs
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:49:53 GMT

   Hi all. I know this is off the subject, but please, I
NEED YOUR HELP if you can help!
   I don't think I can afford to call long distance from the
LA area up to San Fransisco every day to get usenet/internet
anymore.  Does anyone have a list of public access
internet/usenet BBSs in the Orange County/Seal Beach area of
Southern California? --- in the (714) or (310) area codes?
   Please help if you can!  I've been on usenet for quite a
while now, and I find myself suddenly facing the prospect of
being without it.  Please email me if you can help in any
way!  I know there is some board in Stanton, but I don't
know the guest log-on or where to contact the sysop. 
Please, any information you might have would GREATLY be
appriciated!  Thanks very very much!   Please email me
(auto-respond, or mail to    bbs.lar@tsoft.net)  
   Thanks again!!!


--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.net)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Independent, Fun-loving, Open-minded Asian Woman
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:07:54 GMT

Guess what I found in soc.culture.china. Looks familiar ?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From an4767@anon.penet.fi ()
Subject: Single Male (OH) seeks East Asian Female
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:04:29 GMT


Hi,

I am a single male in Cincinnati, ISO a single east asian woman in the
Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana area. I am 5'8", 170 lbs, black hair, brown eyes
and 25 years old. My interests include dancing, going to plays and shows,
discovering new restaurants etc etc ... I like classic rock, progressive
and some techno music like KWS. 

If you are in the general area of Cincinnati and are interested in 
exchanging email, talking, or getting together, let me know. 

Oh ... all I desire in a person is an open mind and a sense of adventure :-).



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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:16:44 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan12.021345.2677@utagraph.uta.edu> thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao) writes:
>In article <C0po5n.1DF@news.udel.edu> philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert Hite) writes:
>>In article <1iss80INN2eb@uwm.edu> nina@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shenina Louise Jones) writes:
>>>
>
>[inquiry into African-American female and Asian-American male deleted]
>[answer stating "date within race" experience partially deleted]
>
>from what i've seen, i would venture to say that the resentments towards 
>dating outside one's race would stem mostly from the males in the
>female's ethnic group.  comes from the overprotective people who can't
>handle the fact that one of "us" actually likes one of "them."

Agreed

>if you're interested, a while back, someone (asian-american i believe)
>"advertised" for a fun-loving african-american female...followed shortly

Yes, it was by a friendly Japanese-American.. Can't remember his name
(never good at remembering Japanese names)
exactly but I'm sure he'll follow-up to this thread :)

>by another person's advertisement for an adventurous asian-american
>female.  note:  the second post came from an anonymous account and
>the poster was promptly toasted, tarred and feathered, then thrown
>into a pool of hungry pirahnas.  :-)

I think this one was actually a joke..

>laly thao

Ning Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Schools and Fun Re: Why are we different?
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:45:01 GMT

bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
|Paul (and others), let me ask you this:
|	What IS the goal of a school system?
|Is a school supposed to teach kids how to "Have fun"?
|Is a school supposed to teach kids how to "be kids"?
|
|In my point of view (ie. IMHO) schools are here to teach someone
|(kid, adult, whomever) a subject or a set of different subjects.
|The only subject I fail to see a place in school is "FUN".  

A good school should make learning fun and thus encourage students
to learn, whether in or out of school.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:50:25 GMT

In article <9301082151.AA12622@dawn400a.hpl.hp.com> rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>Here's the latest version of the FAQ.  Thanks to Alan Hu, John Ho,
>Wataru Ebihara, Vidhyanath Rao, and Arthur Hu for their comments.
>(Even if I chose to ignore some of them. :-)
>
>--
>Frequently Asked Questions for soc.culture.asian.american
 ...
>11.  What does "Chinese-cu" mean?
>
>It's a term invented by Dwight Joe to differentiate American-born Chinese
>from other Chinese.  Most Chinese are "Chinese-cu"; American-born Chinese
>are "Chinese-ge, but not Chinese-cu".  The "-cu" suffix refers to "culture".
>"-ge" refers to "genetics", and "-ci" to "citizenship".
>
>Many of the participants in this newsgroup dislike Dwight, and would prefer
>to ignore him, because of his frequent attacks on Chinese people.  See
>George Wu's FAQ.  Andy Shaw suggests that, consciously or not, Dwight
>actually *wants* Chinese people to express hostility towards him, because
>this reinforces his existing beliefs and justifies his own hostility towards
>Chinese people.  (Note that Dwight is Chinese himself.)

I think the last paragraph needs some correction regarding the reason why
Dwight Joe is disliked.  I don't think it's Dwight Joe's attack on Chinese
people per se, but his one sided, extremely partial view of many of subjects
he touches; it's because of Dwight Joe's role as a booty hunter trying to 
squeeze last drop of blood out of nothing, out of context.
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Go for Broke: a good U.S. movie about Asian Males
Keywords: Asian Male
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:36:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Was that a black&white movie ?
Follows a bunch of them through boot camp
and the fighting in Italy ?
It was a nice movie. I'm glad they made it.

In Audy Murphy's book about his experiences in world war II,
he was with a just injured buddy in a battle in one of the german cities.
The buddy opens his eyes and sees a some of the japanese-american
soldiers charging around the corner.
"All is lost!" he cries "The Japs have taken Berlin!"

- jon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: misra@emily.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: FAQ for soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:13:39 GMT

In article <73139@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
|> - Do Indians and Pakistanis count?
|> 
|> Technically, yes, and some take offence if you leave them out. On the
|> other hand, more often than not, Asian really means "Northeast Asian"
|> which is everything that touches the coast from Korea to Vietnam. South
|> Asians are racially closer to Caucasians, but culturally are closer to
|> the other Asians.

	The definition of Asian depends upon where you are. In Britain
	the words Asian conjures the vision of Indians/Pakistanis. In
	America it does not. Geography does not enter the picture.

	I guess I ceased to be an Asian once I arrived at JFK. Since then
	I have been a person without a continent. Oh well, Asia is overcrowded
	anyway. :)

	I think that racial AND cultural differences are substantial. Unlike
	Europe GEOGRAPHICAL Asia has four major cultures with ancient
	contacts but few unifying threads.
	

|> 
|> The most assimilated groups (= Japanese, then Chinese) are most likely
|> to buck these stereotypical trends.
|> 
|> Arthur T HU (maybe somebody will do an FAQ on me one of these days...)
|> @portal.com

	
	I guess I will peruse this group from time to time. I still love
	you folks. ;)

	I be going good folks, hear wife calling.

	Bye Bye


	Sanjay
	
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