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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 05:44:00 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes:

- Just want to wish a happy new year to all my Canadian friends.
-
- May you get rid of Mulrooney
- May your one-dollars be made of paper once again.
-
- Ciao and cheers.z

Also, a purging of the GST IS on my mind.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Birthdate: 29 Jan 1969, Redhill, Surrey, England, UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Taxation as Theft (was Re: Negative Income Tax)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:40:22 GMT

cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>
>even given this, there are some cases where individual opting out
>would be impossible because doing so would threaten the rights of
>others. the military is one case; how can the army defend my house
>but not yours, which is next door to it? same with the fire department.
>you might ask why i am willing to allow this. really, this prioritizes 
>by saying that the right to life is at the top of the hierarchy, 
>something i don't think (m)any would disagree with.

Then you would agree with public health insurance if the risk of
universal amortization is unacceptable to the private insurance
sector?

I'd say that an uninsured person is a menace ... not seeing a
doctor and spreading disease, causing massive disturbance to the
peace by involuntary barfing/pissing/collapsing in public places,
running up massive tabs at hospitals passed on to you and me as a
result ...

gld

PS: Taken from real life eyewitness accounts in sunny New York 
City.  No, it wasn't me ...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:19:47 EST
From: <DXR10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Distribution: na

But we LIKE our loonies!  What the US needs (among other things!) is
a one-dollar coin and a two-dollar bill (that folks actually use).
No argument about Mulroney, though...
Donna Rogers
exiled in State College PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canadians complacent?????????
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:50:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C00J7s.BGM.1
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
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Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Dec29.055347.15431@math.ucla.edu> ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes:

   I am somewhat bewildered by the rather spiteful anti-Canadian rantings of
   T.A. Kaldis.  His comment "...Canadians are so complacently willing to
   surrender their fundamental personal liberties (not to mention ever 
   increasing amounts of tax dollars) to a government..."(etc. etc., ad nausium)

Kaldis, coming from a country with a strong tradition of doubting
the utility of government, assumes that Canadians must be complacent,
for we seem to allow our governments more powers over our daily lives
than do our American cousins.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:26:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.074518.8016@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.170925.18175@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.103313.24923@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>........
>[ long argument between libertarians ]

do you consider yourself a libertarian? not threatening, just asking...
if so, you'd better leave Canada right away -- i've been told your type
is not welcome there... :^)

>I'm sure you will concede that a tax-and-transfer system of welfare
>(or negative income tax...ick), is a STEP in the right direction.
>It has the benefit of being more efficient than the current system
>(you are right about the implementation: if it were just slapped on
>top of the same same mess, it would make things worse, not better.)
>And it is important to take a step in the right direction, rather than
>stay in one place, cursing the darkness around you.

i actually don't think it will do very much. it adds more people to the
payroll, and makes it impossible for business to hire anyone. the name
is terrible -- if you are going to dole out money to beggars, it *should*
(IMO) be in an a way that makes the recipient uncomfortable, not just
part of "our general tax structure". back in the 30's, people would rather
have done *any* kind of work over accepting assistance. now it is exactly
the opposite.

>Hopefully, with the continued reforms in trade, de-regulation, etc.
>we will all be a lot more prosperous, and we won't begrudge the taxes
>as much  (OK, a longshot....)

a soporific to fool the masses into thinking the *real* problems are being
addressed. that's the way it always has been.

>I think a good first step is all that we can hope for, as this country
>has been ruined by governments, and now seems to have a deeply
>ingrained collectivist, pro-state, anti-individual agenda...

agreed. but if you have too much of X, the right "first step" is not
some new X that is a little better (maybe) than the old X -- the
right first step is some "Y", something truly different. we probably
won't get it, but i for one would not support a wolf wearing just
a different shade of sheep's clothing...

>I'm still
>trying to be optimistic,

for me, optimism has to be backed by evidence. i don't see it, unfortunately.
so it degenerates into prayer or wishful thinking...

>but I'm not going to hang around to get buggered
>by governments, if they try tip Canada in the wrong direction again.
>I just know they've got their knives out, just waiting to unravel what
>little progress has been made in the past 8-9 years.

perhaps you could elaborate for me what progress has been made since
'84. seriously. maybe you just mean that as bad as the PC's were, the others
could have made things even worse. that i could agree with, based on what
i have seen the liberals and NDP do to Ontario.

--
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: lmcjamo@egg.ericsson.se (Jacques Morris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Moving to Canada
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:16:39 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Dec20.121156.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>In article <BzJHnG.14o@mach1.wlu.ca>, sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U) writes:
>
>Why ask the question if you don't want me to reply to it?
>
>Anyway the answer is that it amuses me to irritate Canadians.
>
>Laurence

Funny, it's your frustrations that amuse me.


--
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  Software Design Engineer             Voice:  (514) 738-8300 ext. 2370
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:15:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.063924.686@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>>
>>>Couple to that the fact that business likes social peace
>>>and helmeted cops on every corner with semi-automatics does 
>>>nothing to foster the stability that commerce requires ...
>>
>>oh boy, here we go again...
>>
>>give me a break. that is just your bias. and it makes no sense to 
>>suggest that business would *want* to waste resources on police.
>
>You don't have to grow up working in a family business like I did to
>realize that the alternative for business would be L.A. Riots all year
>'round ...

you still haven't supported this unjustifiable claim.
more conjecture doesn't make it more reasonable. sorry.

>>>Since the Canadian Establishment and their running dogs (-; did not
>>>anticipate downturns, we all got caught.  As has everyone else.
>>
>>bull. the social spending was ridiculously high before the downturn
>>and you know it.
>
>That's what I meant ... but the tax revenues and value were greater
>then than now ...

during the 80's, when Pal Bri was in power and the economy was booming,
he could have done what he was elected by myself and others to do --
cut the debt. he did not. so save the fancy footwork about
"anticipating downturns". you're arguing like a bureaucrat, just as you
did in our previous discussion.

>[Re: Reagan and Thatcher and spending cuts ...]
>>>they threw up their hands halfway through their first terms.
>>
>>total, unadulterated bull. Reagan's deficits were horrendous all
>>through his terms.
>
>That's what I meant.  Slow down and read more carefully next time.

bull that's what you meant. slow down and *think* more carefully next time.

you put Reagan and Thatcher in the same
class as "fiscal conservatives". Thatcher was. Reagan was not. Reagan
never *was*. you stated that they threw up their hands "halfway" through
their first terms. "throwing up one's hands" implies trying something
and being frustrated. Reagan never tried to be a fiscal conservative.
he increased the deficit 62% his first year in power, and another 62%
*over that* the next year. that is not fiscally conservative by any stretch
of the imagination. Thatcher's record is quite a different story.

as i challenged you in the previous post, provide some numbers.
of course it's easier to delete that part of my post and instead
play word games, isn't it?

--
charles
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Import/Export Research
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:09:18 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to Canada? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Negative Income Tax (Was: Social programs)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 16:35:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.223847.9286@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.213152.1170@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.001825.29404@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>>In article <92350.174611SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> John G. Spragge <SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>>>
>>>>Then we have escalating taxes, in which the more you make, the greater
>>>>proportion of it you pay. A negative income tax would have to use a
>>>>similar model to this, because the rate have to go from positive to
>>>>negative at some point. (Replacing the basic personal exemption with
>>>>a refundable tax credit would only partly hide the process).
>>>>
>>>
>>>No...you can have a negative income tax and a flat tax...you just
>>>assign a sufficient personal exemption (and basic exemptions for
>>>dependents).  Say, for an individual, the first $15,000 is tax-free
>>>and then the flat tax is 25% of every dollar after than...if you
>>>earn less than $15000 or X dollars, the government pays you the
>>>difference...           
>>
>>do you mean by this that the government would pay dollar-for-dollar
>>every dollar under $15,000? so that if i earned $9,000, the government
>>would pay me $6,000?
>>
>>is that the concept behind a "negative income tax" system?
>>
>
>Basically, yes, and it would be a lot more efficient than hiring the
>thousands upon thousands of bureaucrats to deliver the complicated
>set of social programs which essentially do the same thing now.

no.
there are some important differences. first and foremost is that this
money would be paid to all those who are currently working as well
as those who are not. it would destroy the incentive for anyone
with earning potential less than $15,000 to work. it would create
a de facto $7.50 minimum wage, hurting canada's companies.

>If we are going to have a social safety net...it might as well be
>the most efficient one possible, and the negative income tax is
>that.

another major problem with this, and i do see it as major, maybe others
don't, is how it legitimizes social welfare. it sends the message that
there is nothing wrong with allowing yourself to be borne upon the backs
of others. it will accelerate the already out-of-control social spending.

>The same goes for the flat tax...it reduces the need for bureaucrats
>in tax department, and reduces the need for wasting valuable human
>resources in the fields of tax law and accounting. 

flat taxes will never work because the general public is under the
impression that the more money you make, not only the more tax
should you pay, but the higher *percentage* of income should you pay.
a flat tax would be labelled "regressive" and shouted down by the
majority who has the most to gain from higher marginal tax rates.

--
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Moving to Canada
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:57:20 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
> > 
> 
> I'm not a racist.
> 
     Well, if not, you're certainly a bigot.  If you were living in the 
interior of this country, you'd own a pickup truck with a gun rack on the 
back and wear a "John Deere" tractor hat.  I've heard the same sort of 
comments come from those ignorant bastards as we see from you here.

-Bob

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:23:08 GMT

In article <BzLM52.4HH@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> farm@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (B. Munroe) writes:
>This thread has really made me wonder why some people continue to have 
>sex at all?  (A note for the literal - previous statement typed with a smirk).

If you don't know why, I can't explain it . . .

>.....  Neither pro-choice or pro-life -- just pro-responsibility  .....

Let's see - how do unwanted pregnancies come about?  Ignorance,
foolishness, carelessness, bad luck, rape.  Yep, very serious offenses
there - let them suffer the responsibility of their actions!  (Well, the
female halves of the offending couples can face the responsibility!  Or
will you have the male assume full responsibility too - say if a 13-year
old boy gets a 13-year old girl pregnant, he can quit school, marry her,
and get a job to support his family, right?)

Of course, you've never made a mistake yourself, have you?  And if you
did, you would never try to minimize the consequences?

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Um, err... I *know* I saw it here a few days ago...
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 05:52:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.063535.19448@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.043628.3553@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>>Not far from my home town (we're talking small town, here!), a pregnant
>>woman, in the final stages of pregnancy, was diagnosed as carrying a
>>hypercephalic child - literally, big-headed.  The child could not
>>survive, and the birth would have killed the mother.  (Caesarians, in
>>those days, were much more drastic procedures than now.)  The doctors
>>chose to abort - to cut up the child within the womb and extract it
>>piece by piece.
>I don't see what else could have been done in a case like this.  I would
>hope though that when an abortion is done this late in pregnancy some sort
>of anesthetic is used.  Does anyone know if this is the case?

In todays world, thigns are different, fortunately.
1 - With the common use of ultrasounds, such a fetus is extremly
unlikely to go undiscovered long enough for this scenario to be
repeated.
2 - Late term abortions are essentially performed by inducing labor.
In the case of a hypercephalic fetus, which has grown too large for a
vaginal delivery, delivery via cessarian section would be the next
choice.
3 - No anesthesia is used because the fetus is dead before the
removal. Various drugs are used, but all result in fetal death before
any incision is made.
4 - Recent experiments in fetal surgery offer some hope that in the
resonably near future, hypercephalia may be treatable in utero, thus
enabling the fetus to develop normally and deliver as a normal healthy
child.

--
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These are the views of my employer. They also represent the views of
your employer, your government, the Church of your choice, and the
Ghost of Elvis. So there.
From: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Labrador
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:28:14 GMT
Reply-To: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


I did missionary work some years ago in Labrador.  I would like to know
if their is anyone who can catch me up on the state of affairs in this
region.  Especially, any information on the native peoples of Greenland
and Labrador.  I missioned at Northwest River settlement with the Grenfell
Society.  Is the Grenfell Society still active in this region?  What
ever became of Goose Bay Air Force Base?  Also, is Argentia still active?
Thanks for any info.

Barbara G.
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canadians complacent?????????
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:34:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <1992Dec29.055347.15431@math.ucla.edu> ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez) writes:
>
>Someone might call Canadians many things, but complacent?  I think not.
>I didn't see very many complacent Canadians while I was up there visiting
>Canadian friends.  
>

The problem with Canadians is not complacency, but reality barging in
on the fraud they have been sold for the last 30 years...i.e. there
is a displacement between expectations and reality...Canadians had begun
to expect to have their cake and eat it too, and now that there is no
cake, and only dry bread to eat (at cake prices).  Expecting a jacuzzi,
most Canadians have received a cold shower instead, and are pissed off,
and haven't figured out who to blame just yet, and are blaming everyone
except whom they should be blaming (i.e. themselves) so far.

Gerald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: sxmadal@srv.PacBell.COM (Srini Madala)
Subject: Computer software Industry in Canada.
Organization: ***************
   
   Based on the information I have, there is a significant shortage
   of skilled software professionals in Canada.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:23:22 GMT

   I am interested in finding out if Canadian Software Industry
   is making any efforts to deal with this problem.

   In the U.S. for example several computer companies had set up
   subsidiaries in several South East Asian countries, Europe
   (especially Ireland) and India. This helps the software 
   developers to meet deadlines and minimize costs.
   Several products are being developed offshore on a turnkey
   basis, on  mutually beneficial terms.
   
   
   S. Madala
           C.D.P.

  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu (Corwin's Rebel)
Subject: Re: Moving to Canada
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: R.E.B.E.L.H.E.A.R.T.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:24:00 GMT

In article <oXm9VB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe) writes...
>godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>> 
>> What's so boring about it?  The people.

Did it ever occur to you that WE may find you boring??  Did you 
REALLY try to find out what made us tick?  I think not.
 and oh BTW *smirk* YES I know I have an Alaskan adress -
However, I am a Canadian living in Alaska working for a company
which I worked for in Canada.

I am American by birth - Canadian by choice and you, are a very
short sighted.  How can you and entire country of two very different cultures
can be boring?


>     Takes a lot of balls coming from a Brit, Godfrey.
> 
>-Bob


Cheers! Bob, have a Schooner on me, Eh?

> 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.abortion,talk.politics.animals
From: hsims@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 28 DEC 92 16:52:46 GMT

In a previous article, proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) wrote:
>This argument ("I am against abortion because had my parents chosen it,
>I wouldn't be alive at all") would seem to apply equally well to
>contraception. 

And abstinence.  After all, if my birth parents had chosen abstinence, I 
wouldn't be alive at all.

				.... Heather.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,talk.politics.medicine