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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ashe and AIDS

>   So it's boring you because you're always hearing about it?  I don't
>understand why you want to "end the issue" (unfortunately, the issue
>itself is not going to just go away).  As for the discussion of the issue,
>if you're not interested, don't participate, don't read the messages.  Why
>do you wish to stop others from discussing it?  I don't think anyone has
>attacked you personally, so what's the problem?
>
>Steve who doesn't like being told not to discuss a specific topic

Besides, we've been pretty good about keeping these messages identifiable
through the subject heading, not normally one of our strongest points.  You
don't have to read them, Alex.

I, for one, enjoy discussing topics as this. It helps me explore my feelings
and it's nice to hear others views, especially when I can take some of what
others say and assimilate it into my belief system.

So, unless no one else has anything to say on the topic, let the discussion
continue.

Chris
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Date: 10 Apr 92 22:15:05 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92041014563326@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:
:On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:47:17 EDT Mark Susskind said:
:>When I see the name 'Karen Kay', I have been thinking, "Oh, she must be in her
:>twenties."  Then, reality sets in, and I feel sad.  41!  Many Happy Returns!
:>
:
:
:I am beginning to feel a little resentful about all these *men* expressing
:dismay over Karen's age (41)... and it's not just that I recently turned 45,
:either.... I looked forward to reaching  40 for years...and the past years
:have been the best ever... I was right.


If it's any consolation, some of us prefer older women :-)

G
(Toy boy of 31)
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In article <tfilt199595@drew.edu>, Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG> writes:
>> Rita, how do you explain the function of EFF?  (to those who really
>> aren't *plugged* in?)
>
>       Well, "funky computer shit" works for some people.  Tonite
> I explained what we do as being concerned with the way computer-based
> telecommunications are reshaping our society.  We  do this on several
> different levels:  from protecting the civil liberties of hackers, to
> being active on the legislative front, to helping individuals get online
> by promoting more user-friendly interfaces.  Didn't mention how we
> just sit around the office sometimes (usually mine for some reason)
> shooting the shit and coming up with interesting projects.  EFF
> office dynamics are, um, interesting...
>
> Rita
>
        You guys hiring?

                          |_
                          Oo\ Alex
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From:         Mark Susskind <NY911179%PACEVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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When I see the name 'Karen Kay', I have been thinking, "Oh, she must be in her
twenties."  Then, reality sets in, and I feel sad.  41!  Many Happy Returns!

Happy Birthday to Karen Kay, and the rest of the people who were born on April
10 in years past.

Mark R. Susskind, Mr. MRS
<NY911179 @ PACEVM.BITNET>

birth date:  June 15, 1966
I used to be so proud, because I thought that it was the midpoint of the
calendar (six months out of twelve, fifteen days out of thirty).  Then, reality
had set in, and I felt sad; the midpoint of the calendar falls around July 1.
                                                                             =(
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From:         Czarina Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: For Sports Fans of Feminine Gender (Hi Emily)
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>        Motorsports see some women compete, and on equal footing to boot.
>Of course, it's a little more natural, since the machines don't depend so
>much on physical skill.

         So do the equestrian sports. Although there is quite a bit
of athleticsm involved, gender doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
The men tend to be stronger riders, but the women tend to have better
rapors with their animals.  It's all in getting the team of horse and
rider matched up properly.

Rita
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>

Re: the state budget situations.... I am amazed to read that University
     System employees (faculty, that is) will be getting 3% raises come
     November.... last year, we were all in fear for our jobs, AAUP up in
     arms about the possibility of laying off tenured people, etc., etc.
     I forgot to mention that I'm in Georgia.... we call our governor
      Zig Zag Zell.... he's earned it...
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>a few years ago, when I tried to learn Latin (just because I was interested) I
>found it almost impossible because I did not know grammatical case and could
>not easliy memorize those cases that seemed to have no equivalent usage in
>English. So, for me, knowledge of grammar would have been useful. Can anyone re
>commend a good English grammar book? With explanations?

Keep in mind that I have at no point said that ability to describe the
grammar of English is never useful.  If I felt that way, I would certainly
not agree to teach the junior-level grammar course that I frequently teach.

Finding a good grammar book is not easy.  Finding one that includes the
traditional approach is almost impossible these days.  The best grammar
book I've encountered is out of print now:  Lyda E. LaPalombara's -An
Introduction to Grammar:  Traditional, Structural, Transformational-
(Winthrop, 1976).  You might be able to find a copy of it in a library.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Roundabouts and such
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>In the discussion of worst places to drive last week, did anyone mention
>the German Autobahns?  So deadly that there's a subgenre of popular music
>about tragic pileups.
Ah, the Autobahns. YES, they are worse than Boston. They
never made me cry, but I had totally repressed all memory
of driving on them...

Why did you have to remind me?

>brad
judith
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Well, really.
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You want the real life, I suppose?  Let's see.  I've been married to the
same channel flipper for 26 years (yep, even before there were remote
controls, and nope, not the same one ndh is married to), have two children
 one daughter-in-law and one step-grandson, and one outside cat that has
cost us more than a purebred would have, probably.  I teach English to
seniors, which accounts for my state of mind at this time of year. I live
in the country and teach in a small town outside Texas' largest city,
which I avoid as much as I can.
Interesting?  Well, that depends.  I read lips. I wear two hearing aids.
My students know about the latter, most aren't sure about the former. I
can't sing, and small children plead with me to stop when I try to prove
my point. All in all, I'm a nice person, but certainly not smutty or
scintillating.

*Now* where do I find *you all's* biographies?

Doris

>
> Oh, nothing formal at all.  As far as content, you must realize that most of
 us
> thrive on, if not smut, at least the very interesting details.
>
> So, please regale us with your life.
>
> Chris
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodbye
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In talking about public access to internet, don't forget about the
various Freenet locations.  I'm not sure how many there are now.
Cleveland is probably the best known of them, but it's not the only
one.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Descriptive and prescriptive
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>  I wonder if "good" or "proper" didn't evolve as terms describing the
>  standard because those terms are easier for parents to teach their
>  kids than "efficient."  Comments?

They probably evolved because the lower-middle classes (who, by the
way, have been shown to be the most concerned about such things -- sorry,
I can't give you references right now -- can when I'm in my office)
thought of the higher classes as "good" or "proper."

>   If a person uses "he don't" in a job interview,
> what inference should the interviewer make?

Should?  I'm not sure that there's an answer to that question.  If you
had said "what inference will the interviewer make?" I would say that
the answer depends upon who the interviewer is.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in
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> >>        I dunno.  I'm an associate editor, so I don't fit in at all.
> >>Rita
> >
> >Take heart, Rita.  I am a managing editor, and Judith is an editor,
> >so I think we can safely establish our own clique on this list.
> >
> >   Sincerely, A.D. the M.E.
> AND Ken's an editor...
>
> love, judith, Editor-in-Chief :-) (also secretary, mail clerk,
>               janitor,...)

Guess I'm the only one who's a reporter...and you probably know what
Lyndon Johnson said about newspaper reporters.
ndh
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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>
>
>

>Thank you, John
Williams, for your prompt response. (And -where- did you find it?  If it's
not too much trouble....)

Clint

Oh, you're entirely welcome!  "Information...is my life."  Oddly enough, I
DIDN'T find it in "The Golden Bough", and neither was the New Larousse
Enc. of Mythology any help.  Most of it came from "Mythology of All Races",
Cooper Square, NY, 1964.  Tell your doubting students that "you can get
the answer to ANYTHING you want, at Natalie's Restaurant..."  (Excepting
Bernard.)     ^^^^^^^^

John "I may not know squat, but I know where to look it up" W.
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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I asked, "If a person uses 'he don't' in a job interview, what
inference should the interviewer make?"  Natalie replied, "Should?
I'm not sure that there's an answer to that question.  If you had
said 'what inference will the interviewer make?' I would say that
... depends upon who the interviewer is."

In short, it's still a *should*, because the interviewer is
accountable to somebody else, who has given the interviewer a set
of standards by which to judge job applicants.

Steve Karlson
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>> And I don't buy it for the soaps.  I buy it for the program
>> descriptions.  Sometimes I even do the crossword in pen.
>
>> --Adam
>Adam, you're a wimp. Real Illuminati do them in their heads.
>love, judith

But Judith, he does the puzzle with a $300 Mont Blanc
fountain pen....  That offsets not doing it in his head.

Ken
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              08 Apr 92 17:24:37 EDT." <9204081936.aa07614@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Rita <rita@EFF.ORG>:
>
>I've made reservations under "words-l" and my name (Rita Rouvalis in case
>you've forgotten -- I do on occasion).  I'll try to be there right around
>5:15.  I'll probably wear my EFF t-shirt (lacking a words-l shirt) and
>leather jacket -- I suggest we all post exactly what we're wearing tomorrow
>so we can find each other more easily (and better hog bandwidth).
>
>Czarina

Alas, back in my own persona instead of that fellow who was going to fend off
the invaders from New Jersey, I own no leather.  Nor do I own a Words-L t-shirt
as they don't come in small, and I didn't feel like buying another t-shirt that
won't fit.  Maybe on the next order.  I'm in boring brown today, wearing brown
slacks, an off-white shirt and a bulky brown sweater.  Had I been thinking this
morning when I groggily pulled things out of my closet, I might be more
exciting.  I could use some new clothes, maybe I'll stop somewhere en route.
But then you won't recognize me.

Ok, I'll be the thinnest guy in the place.  That ought to do it.

Maybe I'll even buy a leather jacket and try to get back into the thug persona.

By the way, I also don't own a whip, but I really do need one as a prop for
a play.  Anyone know a good place to buy a whip around Boston?

- Don R
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From:         "Lisa J. Gilmore" <TSLGILMORE%CC.WEBER.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>However, I recently saw one that said "Good Happens" and that is what
>I prefer to pay attention to....

GOOD point.
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gleanings (38)
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>20) The Difference Engine/Bruce Sterling/Jurassic Park (Anne Hr.)

The Difference Engine is a stupid attempt by two preeminent cuberpunk
novelists, Bruce Sterling and William (our father in cyberspace) Gibson to cash
in on their fans. It's a what-if historical novel about hackers ("clackers") in
the steam age (their computers are Babbage machines). Don't buy this book.

Bruce Sterling is an Austin-based cyberpunk writer and computing rights
activist. He's also probably friends with our own Rita Rouvalis, who is welcome
to tell him that I think The Difference Engine sucks.

Jurassic Park is Michael Crighton's last novel, about genetic engineering gone
wacko. Real-life dinosaurs on an island amusement park. Lots of blood, science,
and prosletyzing.

>24) To be between opportunities (Anne Hr.)

Means "out of work."

-abh
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Sayeth Doctor STU DENENBERG

     My esteemed colleague supports Professor Tushar's thesis that
there may be too much 'inside' humor on this list.  I am not sure I
agree with them as to the extent of the problem.  It has been my
experience that if one will read all of a thread, the answer will
appear.  Admittedly this can be trying, as some threads achieve a very
high number of postings before the answer to the question appears, but
the very nature of this list requires a willingness to dig for the
pony from time to time.  I have always had my questions answered,
though I imagine there a number of inside jokes that I simply do not
recognize as such.

The Ronin
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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Graham, in his own unique, obnoxious and usually 12 hours or so behind way,
waxes pedantic:

>Don't worry about it Natalie - in the post where Turing Machine originally
>came up, the poster didn't know what it meant either; he seemed to be
>equating it with a program which ran the Turing Test.  (To forestall
>flames, yes - *any* program is reducible to a Turing machine, but that
>wasn't what was said.)

>Graham

Gosh, Graham. I didn't realize we all had to speak and use the same terminology
as do you.  Around here, Turing Machine is understood as any device that runs
(notice I didn't say, "can run") the Turing Test.  That's how it was taught to
me (in a basic sort of way).

What was Turing most noted for? I think for his statement (and subsequent
proof, at least in his mind) that a computer, given the right environment, etc,
could be passed off as a person.  Or, more correctly, that a subject could not
guess, by the responses received, whether the responder was human or computer.

On what device did he initially run these tests?  On a Turing Machine.

Chris

Can I suggest, Graham, that if you feel the need to show off your Public School
Education, you try not to be such a weenie about it.
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Keywords: da da, da da da, di da di, di di di, di
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:33:05 GMT
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In article <9204110418.AA25033@zaphod.uchicago.edu> tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Tushar Samant) writes:
:::I do NOT understanding the "ordering by Morse" unless it means the one
:::that he developed from sort of analysis.   As a near-expert in Morse Code,
:::the order is NOT strictly in order of "length" or "simplicity" of the
:::characters.  Generally ones that are more frequent are shorter and simpler,
:::but by no means all of them.
::
::That's what I meant, yes.
::
::G
:
:Fine. Now what does "ordering by Morse" mean ?
:
:tushar


The ordering of letters worked out by Samuel Morse, the inventor
of the Morse Code.  He used this ordering in some undefined way
to allocate codes to the letters and numbers.

G
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              9 Apr 1992 21:06:52 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

>>  Yes, more details, please!
>
>And suddenly there's silence.  Maybe they've all passed out.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

    Could be the porter, or maybe that PBS show on Touring Machines?
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I'm watching it right now. Basically, this episode is covering the history of
computers. From Babbage to Zuse right now.

Chris
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              Dickey, The Happy Spore" at Apr 15, 92 5:39 pm

  I have no idea what you're testing exactly, but I received the message....
via email, not via news.  But that'd be the USENET link, wouldn't it?

Steve
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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Pondereth     Graham Toal <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

> Now, who can I wind up next...

     I expect I am safe on two counts.  The first is that I am too easy
a target for Graham to consider sport, the second that his phone bill
can't withstand a activated Ronin.

The Ronin
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.words-l
Subject: Re: Turing things
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:12:35 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <01GIOP7WI1TSAXFDPX@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> AXD7104%NYUACF.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore) writes:
:Tony--
:
:What about that test they held here in NYC a few months ago, where a
:group of judges had to sit in front of a terminal and decide whether
:they were "talking" to a computer or a real human?  I thought they
:were billing that as a Turing Test.

They were, but it wasn't.  Close though; it was a restricted version
of the test.  The real test imposes no domains on the subjects of
discussion.

G
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