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From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:26:59 GMT
Organization: GTEL

I've been trying to individually thank all of you who sent me personal 
messages regarding my quandry on whether or not to go for #2, but I 've 
been having trouble with my mailer, so I wasn't able to get to everyone.  
Thank you for all of the input - both good and bad.  We still haven't made 
up our minds, but it's nice to hear the experiences of others.  On good 
days I think, I could handle another one of these.  On bad days, well, 
it's a slightly different story ;).  I'll try to keep in touch about what 
we finally decide.

I just had to add a comment to whoever said they never nap at the same 
time, so you can say bye-bye to any free time you have left.  My daycare 
provider has a mandated nap time of 1:00 to 3:00.  Before Matthew came 
along, she apparently magically was able to accomplish this, with everyone 
going down at that time.  Matthew kind of goofed up the works, and it 
really became a stress-producing issue for me for a long time.  For 
whatever reason, he simply REFUSED to nap when at her house.  (Then would 
nap for 3 hours when home with me.)  On one hand, I was so angry with her 
for trying to force him into a schedule like that (if he did sleep, she 
would then turn around and wake him if he slept too long.  I've always 
believed in letting sleeping babies lie), but on the other hand, since she 
is wonderful in every other way, I was afraid she was going to get fed up 
and tell us to take a hike.  I could see her point, with 4 to 6 kids to 
watch, of varying ages, she needs to have some semblance of a routine, or 
all would be chaos.  Fortunately, Matthew now naps on most days, although 
is very erratic as to how long (usually 1 to 2 hours), and still naps 2 to 
3 or more hours when home with me.  I try to be relaxed about most things, 
but, for some reason, I have this major hang-up about his sleeping 
(probably because he gets so nasty when he doesn't).  We're going away for 
the first time next week for more than one night and I've been worrying 
about his sleeping during this trip for months.  He'll probably be fine, 
and I'll be a basket case by the time we get home!!

(Sorry for rambling - it's been one of those days.  And a week of crappy 
weather doesn't help :)!!)

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (25853-brady)
Subject: Left Hander's Day
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:44:59 GMT
Keywords: :-)

I just heard on the radio here that today is International
Left Hander's Day!  Happy Day to all you lefties out there!


---
Jackie Brady		       
jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Bellcore/Piscataway, NJ      908-699-5458		    
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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Cradle Cap (was: Hair washing)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:08:24 GMT

In article <1718@optigfx.optigfx.com> wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang) writes:
>
>Oh, I was just wondering about Christine's cradle cap and why
>she still hasn't got rid of it at 8 months.  I didn't know that
>it can reoccur!  I use Johnson's & Johnson's baby shampoo.  Would
>switching to another brand help?  Any good tip is appreciated.

My Dr. told me to use Head&Shoulders to clear up Jeffrey's Cradle
Crap. Use very little, because you wouldnt want any soap running
down their face and into their eyes or mouth. Leave on for a few
minutes, and then rinse off. I had my mom help me so that I could
have him lie back and pour the clean water on his head. It cleared
it up in a a few days.
>
Laura Floom

>Thanks,
>Alice Wang
>Mom to Christine, 8 mo
>wang@optigfx.com
>
>


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From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Left Handed or Right Handed?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:07:04 GMT

In article <SHAFER.92Aug13105009@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>On 12 Aug 92 15:30:21 GMT, exucapa@exu.ericsson.se (Carrol Patterson,xt-dk,x1209) said:
>
>Carrol> At what age can you be sure what your child's handedness will be?
>
>In some cases, in the womb.  I read an article about lefthandedness
>that said that if a baby sucks its left thumb in the womb (as seen
>in ultrasound) the baby is almost certain to be lefthanded.  Do we
>have anyone here with any stories about this?
>

Assuming that the thumb sucked in the womb is the same one sucked post-
natally, I have several datapoints that contradict this:

I was a left-thumb-sucker.  I am right handed (both my parents are
left-handed).

My older son was a left-thumb-sucker.  He is right handed (3 of his
grandparents are left-handed).

My younger son was (and still is) a left-thumb-sucker.  He is left
handed (also has the 3 left-handed grandparents).

As for the birth injury theory:
My right-handed son had a significantly more difficult birth than
my left-handed son.

The theory I have heard that makes most sense:

About 10% of people are strongly left-handed, and about 10% of people
are strongly right-handed.  The other 80% are adaptable, and end up
as right-handed because that is what's dominant in society.
-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:20 PDT
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Nf-ID: #R:ncr-mpd.ftcollins.ncr.com:2136:cdp:1427100031:000:824
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Aug 17 22:20:00 1992


Actually, Judy, I don't remember having a single birthday
party with friends over the entire time I was growing
up.  I think we must have just not had them, since I
don't recall any for my siblings either.  And we ran
the gamut from introverted to extroverted.  (Is this
really unusual?  Are birthday parties just one of
those things parents of seven children tend to drop,
or were they not as big a deal back in the 60's?)

Taking the child's needs into consideration in deciding
where to put your energy is reasonable, but at a certain
point the size of the family imposes its own constraints.
I don't think there is any way my parents could have
raised seven in the same way as some people raise one
or two (but I never regretted being one of seven, because
for me the pluses far outweighed the minuses).

Lynn Gazis-Sax
From: mark@nwra.com (Mark)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:27:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: nwra.1992Aug21.162747.9606
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwest Research Associates, Inc.

I've heard that it's possible to (legally) not pay income tax on
the cost of child care. My understanding is that it must be done
through one's employer with "pretax dollars" - like a 401k. You don't
fill out your tax return with childcare deducted. You just never see
the money in your taxable pay.

Does anyone know the details of how this is done, if it really is
possible?

    )_ _               -------------------------------------------    
   /  ) ) _        /       Mark Baldwin - mark@sparky.nwra.com
  /  / / / / /\_  /_/  Northwest Research Associates, Bellevue, WA
 /  / /_(_/_/  (_/ \__ -------------------------------------------
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: New blood test for Down syndrome
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:48:28 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

From this morning's paper:

The British Medical Journal has just reported that a new simple blood
test could double the detection rate for Down syndrome if offered
routinely to all pregnant women. Similar findings will be reported in
the New England Journal of Medicine soon.

The new test measures three biochemical markers in blood at 16 weeks
of pregnancy. These measurements together with a woman's age can assess
the risk of having a baby with Down syndrome much more accurately than
age alone. A woman at high risk can then be offered an amino to confirm
or deny the blood test.

Given that amino carries a risk, this will hopefully cut down on the
number of them since not every pregnant women over the age of 35 will
need one to check for Down syndrome.

-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
From: gill@castle.ed.ac.uk (G B Law)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: twins
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:19:50 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <168418E35.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>I have been watching the alt. area for alt.twins.  Did it never get started?
>If it didn't, I understand - we are all very busy.  I just wanted to make
>sure I wasn't overlooking it!
>Thanks, Teresa


Does this newsgroup exist? I'd be VERY interested. I'm  3.75 months
pregnant with twins - it's so exciting! All the books I've got cater
very well for one child but it's practically impossible to get any
comprehensive information about twins and a twin pregnancy. Even my
midwife didn't seem to have anything particular on twins. I have bought
one great book though - it's calld "The Twins Handbook" but I can't
remember offhand who wrote it.

My mum is SO excited about my having twins she's already started buying
things like vests, mitts and a changing mat! 

If anyone has any info on twins though, I'd be glad to hear it.
Thanks

Gill  
-- 
gill@uk.ac.ed.castle  Edinburgh University Computing Service

   This message was a " Reeves & Mortimer " product.
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Doman and the Better Baby Institute
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:18:21 GMT
	<16846DF04.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

We are planning on homeschooling Katherine (and Robin, and any others
that come into our life), and I put questions out about 'what should I
do' with Kathy to help her learn to the homeschooling list.

What was suggested was reading to her, taking her places, talking
about things we see, etc. Even 'preschool' like projects, while nice,
were not deemed necessary for her development. There have been studies
showing that babies that are talked to and listened to a lot tend to
talk earlier. I'm sure that continues - follow your child's lead.

When Katherine started showing a heavy interest in numbers, letters,
reading, and using the computer, we went out and got her Playroom and
a couple of other programs to keep her entertained while she'd learn.
Her use of them varies quite a bit - she seems to go on jags for
learning different things. At first we worked with her on it, then
things got busier and I left her more to her own devices. She's still
been slowly learning to recognize more letters, she knows that books
have words in them, and that we can read them. Last night she was
playing hide and seek with another child about her age and two 6 year
olds, and she hid her eyes and counted very slowly and deliberately 1,
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, short pause, 18, eleventeen,
20.

I didn't know she could count so well. So, she's continued learning,
without any pressure or drilling, just by being exposed in her
environment. We read to her, she watches Sesame Street, we play short
number/word recognition games. She can also count objects up to 3
(this is apparently normal development) and will accurately show 1, 2,
or 3 fingers when talking about that amount of things. She's working
on 4, but isn't perfect with it. And she's often *excited* when she's
telling me "two cars!" "one red van!"

She really seems to delight in learning new things for fun - she often
asks me what something says, what something is called, etc. She has a
very good time so long as I don't start pushing - if I let the game
end whenever she's ready, she's more inclined to play again later that
day or the next day. If I try and teach her 'too much', then she loses
interest.

IMHO, if your child is actively enjoying the activity, have fun with
him/her. But if the child is losing interest, take the hint and quit
for the time being. Children are driven to learn, driven to master
things, they don't need a lot of 'teaching', except by example, and
assistance where needed.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!
From: poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:57:29 GMT
Subject: Funny Things They Say (5 & 3 YO)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

My two daughters were talking at the backseat of the car.

Kina was showing off her knowledge: "You know, crying has two meanings. 
It could be like baby crying Wa-Wa. It could also mean shout aloud."
Brittany responed immediately: "Ya, like when you get hurt, you shout
aloud. That's called crying."
"With tears or without tears?" Kina was suspicious about her sister's
understanding.
"With tears."
"Then that's not crying."
"It IS crying!"
"No, it's not."
"Yes, IT IS!"
"It's not what I meant by crying." Kina said softly, realizing what she 
had got into. 
"What did you say?" Brittany was more confused.

I was biting my lips to not to laugh.


Vivienne Poon
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Etiquette question: bris (sp?)
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:12:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>ken@dakota (Kenny Chaffin) writes:
>	I know this will start the flames flying, but I have to say
>
>		CIRCUMCISION IS BARBARIC!!!!!

I keep the circumcision FAQ file, which is a compilation of many
people's stories of whether or not they had their infant son
circumcised and how they decided what to do.  If anyone is interested
in it, please send me e-mail, and I'd be glad to send it to you.

Let's not get into a flame-war over this again, okay?




--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.223847.13800@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes...
> 
>Another purely personal choice, IMO.  Our birthday parties for our son have
>consisted of a family get-together with a few gifts, barbecue and cake/ice
>cream for dessert.  In his nursery school they encourage the parents to bring
>in treats for the whole group on the child's birthday, so that takes care of it
>for the next year also.  No need to worry about parties, unless *you* want to.
> 
Oh ,boy, let me guess, your son is your oldest? My daughter was invited
to her first birthday party when she was 3, by a classmate from daycare
who was turning 4. 'How you gonna keep them down on the farm, after 
they've seen Paree........'? Later that year we started the kid party
route when my daughter turned 4. Good luck. I hope your plan works!
                                      Patti Twigg
From: rrt@mpd.tandem.com (Robert Teisberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:04:50 GMT
Reply-To: rrt@amadeus.UUCP (Robert Teisberg)
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <2219@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> rrt@amadeus.UUCP (Robert Teisberg) writes:
>The best advice on fat intake for infants up until about 12 months old
>is to make sure they get enough.

Sorry about following up my own article, but that should have been 24
months.
-- 
Bob Teisberg @ Tandem Computers, Inc. | rrt@mpd.tandem.com
14231 Tandem Blvd.                    | (512) 244-8119
Austin, Texas  78728                  |
Any resemblance to the opinions of a real person or corporation is concidental.
From: brendas@tanguray.Central.Sun.COM (Brenda Scarchilli Sun SE - Detroit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: What do you pay for piano lessons?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:02:04 GMT
Reply-To: brendas@tanguray.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tanguray.central.sun.com



What is a reasonable price to pay for piano lessons for
a child age 6 through 10?  Anyone have an opinion on the
susuki method?

Thanks
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:29:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.142521.29248@philabs.philips.com> mgh@philabs.philips.com (Monisha Ghosh) writes:
>
>The book 'What to expect when you're expectimg' claims that sushi during
>pregnancy is a no-no since all uncooked meat and fish is taboo. How true is
>this? It has me slightly worried because I like sushi and have had it often
>since I became pregnant. It seems odd that something which is a part of the 
>diet of so many people should be avoided during pregnancy. Any full time
>sushi eaters care to comment?

The danger lies in the parasites which can inhabit uncooked fish.  This
problem is very rare in reputable Sushi houses, but is a legitimate
cause for concern.  BUT...

What many people forget (or don't know at all) is that not all Sushi is
raw- a number of the more popular varieties are usually served cooked:
shrimp, crab (including California roll), eel, salmon (sometimes; ask),
salmon-skin roll, etc.  You can go out for Sushi and stuff yourself
without worry.  Just hold the Sake!

No Toro or Yellowtail, though.  Pity.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:45:48 EDT
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

In article <1282@ceylon.gte.com>, vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.221215.28413@silma.com> sj@silma.com (Suzanne) 
> writes:
>> An even cooler idea than duplicate blankets is to encourage
>> your baby to use a cloth diaper instead of a blanket.  This
>> was a tip we heard from friends.  They're replaceable, cleanable,
>> and come in packages of 12!
> 
> We did this entirely by accident.  Matthew was a terrible spitter and no 
> one went anywhere with him without a diaper on his/her shoulder for about 
> the first nine months of his life unless they wanted to be *covered* with 
> spit-up!!  So the diapers became his blankies.  I, of course, ran out and 
> bought another package when the ones he was using started to get pretty 
> raggy and, lo and behold, he would have nothing to do with them.  Seems the 
> raggier they are, the better he likes them.  My husband's cousin told me 
> it's the soft, frayed edges they like to stroke and, now that I've watched 
> him, it seems to be true.  She says her daughter did the same thing with 
> her blankie - it was the frayed edges.  It gets kind of embarassing for 
> him to be dragging around these raggy diapers, but I have several 
> of them, so at least they are clean!! 


As a formerly devoted blankie carrier (up to age 6!) I can tell you one
reason why new ones get rejected - they smell wrong! I was always hated
it when my Mom washed my blanket. It took a couple days to smell right
afterwards.

Oh, and for those people who are hoping that their child will soon
stop carrying it around, I was forced to give mine up when there was
almost no blanket left and the 2nd or 3rd edition of ribbon  was almost
gone too! It was just too hard to carry - all these little bits of stuff.

Brighid

brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Introduction to lumpy foods
Followup-To: misc.kids
Date: 20 Aug 1992 17:23:49 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22


It's time to start feeding my son, David, "lumpy" food, according
to his pediatrician. But I'm having trouble figuring out what to
give him. He doesn't like bananas. Should I get the "2nd foods"
baby cereals? I tried putting individual rice grains and tofu in
his baby cereal. He doesn't like it --- should I continue anyway?
He does eat it. Should I cook carrots, for instance, and mash
them up? Tips appreciated.

Lindsay
-- 

   Lindsay Schachinger			lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov
   Exploratory Studies Group		ucbvax!sesame.lbl.gov!lindsay
   Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory		(510) 486-5009
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when (was Re: Tantrums)
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:57:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:

>In article <TIGGER.92Aug5233413@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>> 
>> You know when you're a parent of two when it is *easy* to go shopping
>> with only one kid (and it doesn't even matter *which one* Kayvan watches
>> for me!)
>
>
>AMEN!!!  I had the exact same thought last night...the baby and I picked up
>photos, browsed the bookstore and popped into the grocery store for a gallon of
>milk. And as I headed home I thought "what a treat" :)
>
>Ann Helmers

Just wait till you have three, and you think it's so easy to go
shopping with just a 2- and a 4-year-old boy!  Or that you should
go to the grocery while your oldest is in school, since it's so
easy with just a toddler and an infant.

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Flying with infant - results
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:35:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Aug19.203507.29202
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 3913@alw.nih.gov, paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) writes:
>
>Thanks to all how sent along ideas on flying with infants. (My sister
>was flying cross country with her 5 month old).  They made the trip ok
>and she had really nice people sitting next to her, one woman played 
>with Stephen while my sister ate.  They did have some incredible problems
>the seats they originally had assigned to them were 8 rows apart.  I don't

It's usually _very_ easy to get people to switch seats on an airplane -
just sit where you want, and when the person who is supposed to sit where
are comes to sit, ask if they'll trade.  Mostly, nobody cares where
they sit on an airplane (as long as they get their window/aisle preference)
as long as you aren't trying to "steal" a "premium" seat - bulkhead
and/or emergency row seats are very nice on certain planes due to
the additional room.  This is usually true only on smaller planes, though.


-- carl

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: I am not the official spokesperson for anyone.  For which
organizations that use spokespersons are profoundly grateful.
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