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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: When is a dill pickle Kosher?
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:04:20 GMT

Jerry Whelan writes:

>	I've been told that the `true' label for kosher products is
>a little k in a circle similar to the copyright symbol.

There are a number of "kosher" certification symbols.  Basically, each
Rabbi or Rabbinical organization that certifies food as kosher has
their own symbol.

The biggest organization, I believe, is the Union of Orthodox Rabbis,
with a "U" inside of an "O" (commonly referred to as the O-U).   I
don't know who owns the circle-K symbol, but I have seen it.  The
total number of symbols is rather large; there are magazines which
do list them.

As an aside, there are sometimes disputes within the Jewish community
as to which of these certifications can be trusted (e.g., is the
inspection policy adequate to ensure no cheating, or is the policy
use to determine the kashrut of outside ingredients in accordance with
generally acceptable principles), but that's for each individual or
their Rabbi to resolve.
-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: 10 CDs for the price of 1: kosher?
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:17:38 GMT
Organization: sdsu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mathfp6.sdsu.edu

In article <1993Jan5.193703.15479@athena.mit.edu>, crafts@athena.mit.edu 
(The Invisible Man) writes:
> 
> Don't these clubs actually manufacture the cd's and cassettes they sell?
> 
> If you look carefully most club editions are marked as such on the cassette
> 
> or cd...
> 
> This would probably be why they are so much cheaper.


This is my biggest concern. If they do manufacture their own CDs,
are they of an inferior quality?  For those of you who have joined
these CD clubs, do they send you CDs made by the original recording
companies?  Have you had any quality problems?

For those who have replied so far, thanks! mark dunster
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From: glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.audio
Subject: Info on Powermid Remote Control Extender?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:58:20 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov
Organization: N.I.S.T
Posting-Front-End: Shinbun -- the OpenLook newsreader




I saw an add in the Complete Crutchfield catalog for the Powermid
Remote Control Extender.  It is a two piece device that converts
IR remote control commands to radio and transmits to a receiver
that converts the radio back to IR and sends to the unit being
controlled.  It lists for $49.95 for the set and $29.95 for each
additional piece.  This seems alot cheaper than the Onkyo and Pioneer
solution for multi-room remotes.  Alot easier to install also
since there are no cables to run.  Does anyone know anything about
this?  Is this one of those new-fangled gadgets that is more a 
pipe-dream than reality?

Thanks in advance

Rob G.
glenn@osi.ncsl.nist.gov


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: aa526@Freenet.carleton.ca (Christopher Bright)
Subject: Re: Discmans for walking? (was: Re: Sony Car Discmans?)
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:51:28 GMT


Look into Sony's MD.  It is smaller than the CD and will never skip.  You
can record on it as well!

The wave of the future?
-- 
Christopher Bright
Ottawa, Ontario
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:21766 rec.autos:31385 rec.autos.tech:17635
From: STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Stan Horwitz)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Advice on 4 door hatchback models
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:29:56 GMT
Organization: Temple University

In article <1993Jan8.225910.19364@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
gan@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (gan.muthumalaiappan) writes:
 
>
>Hello Netters,
>
>Any advice/recommendation on 4-door (sedan) hatchback automobile (I mean 5
>doors)?  Buying range is: up to 14K. Compact or mid-size - GM, Ford, Chrysler,
>Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, Saturn(??), Volkswagon, Volvo, etc.  Not
>interested in wagons.  I've looked at few models and unable to zero in.....
 
I just can't say enough good things about my 1990 Plymouth Sundance.  In the
2.5 years or so  since I got it new, I put on  about 38,000 miles.  The only
big repair it needed  thus far is the need for a  front brake replacement at
which cost me about $80 a few months ago.
 
It has reasonably good  acceleration for a car its size  with an auto trans.
This car is  very reliable and gets good  gas mileage and it is  a real work
horse.  I used it to move almost  my whole apartment once.  I piled 7 people
in it several times.  It trudges through the snow easily and never complains
when I forget to  give it an oil change.  The  Sundance also has comfortable
seats, great interval windshield washers, and airconditioning that cools the
car very quickly even on the hottest days.
 
When  I was  car shopping,  similar class  Toyotas and  Hondas were  several
thousand dollars  more than the  Sundance and  they had smaller  engines and
drove like snails.   This car at the  time, and probably still  now, was the
only one for under $10,000 that had a driver's side airbag.  That helped cut
down my  auto insurance premium.   I have been lucky  enough not to  need it
deploy.
 
If  you're looking  for  a low  cost, good  quality,  comfortable, safe  and
reliable  5 door  hatchback, you  should  definitely test  drive a  Plymouth
Sundance.  My sister purchased a new 3  door Sundance about 2 months ago and
she loves it.   A few friends also own  them and love them.  My  dad has had
Chrysler cars for years and he has never had a major problem with any of his
cars.  The dealership  I purchased my car from is  always quick and curteous
when I take my  car in for service.  The only regret I  have about my car is
its maroon (Rusty Red) color.  Maroon tends to show dirt quickly, but that's
probably true of any car manufacture's version of maroon.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:49:05 GMT


In article <1993Jan4.193327.233@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com>, haluk@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Haluk Gumrukcu) writes:
>
>How fair/legal for non-smokers (along with smokers) to decide on cigarette
>prices?
>
>Just out of curiosity.

Fairer than funeral homes.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: J.Newman@icarus.curtin.edu.au (John Newman)
Subject: Re: Timeshare advice requested
Organization: Computing Centre, Curtin University, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:44:26 GMT

>Subject: Re: Timeshare advice requested
>: 
>
>Your right that you can win with a TS if you use it but generally means using
>it every single year. It is very hard for most people to commit to something
>like that. Suppose you want to stay home some year and paint the house?
>You have still paid for the TS. How many people who have been laid off from
>corporate downsizings own TS's?
>Times change and tastes change. 
>John Eaton

If you can't use a timeshare in a particular year, have it rented out
for real $, or "spacebank", i..e. save it up for the next year and
have a longer holiday. If you own "red" time you can usually swap
it for any other time of the year.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\ John Newman              J.Newman@icarus.curtin.edu.au /
/ Computing Centre,           "There is less to this     \
\ Curtin University,            than meets the eye."     /                         
/ Perth, Western Australia     - Tallulah Bankhead       \
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From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Price Club Info Sought
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:30:50 GMT
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said:
# I'd like to add one:  Everyone I know (with _no_ exceptions yet!)
# who goes to Price Club tends to buy many more things and spend
# much more money than they intended because they Couldn't Resist the
# Bargains(tm).  

Bingo.
You just hit the underlying theory for such stores. 

If you carefully went in and, having priced-shopped, bought EXACTLY
what you needed, they'd be closing their doors. But because "It is Such
A Bargain" you buy things you don't need.

Which is not say any such store is a Bad Idea. But it is important to
realise that MBA's were there scheming on how best to manipulate you
long before the shelves were stocked...
--
A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Can a landlord refuse cash?
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:35:06 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

>In article <arkusinski_andy-070193080856@arkusinski.si.com.>, arkusinski_andy@si.com (Andy Arkusinski) writes:
>
>> However, I
>> money, "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE". 
>
In article <1993Jan8.235403.9630@tellab5.tellabs.com> chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski) writes:
>I don't know that the writing on money has any force of law
>("In God We Trust" ?) but even if we assume it does, a debt does not
>exist when the terms include "payable in advance," as is normally 
>the case when renting.  Some examples: 
>
>There is no debt, just an agreement that if you produce the check or
>money order then the landlord will let you use the apartment as your 
>residence during the following month.  
>
>If you fail to live up to your side of the agreement then the landlord
>does not have to let you live there.  Should you fail to leave when
>asked the landlord may  have you evicted (unless a lease or local
>ordinance gives you additional rights, of course).

   Well, as a consolation, in most states your landlord can still
   bill you for the time between your last PAID rent and the time
   the local deputies evict you.  This WOULD be a "debt", and you
   might be able to offer to pay THAT in cash or argue in court that
   you made offer to pay and were refused....

   Seriously in Calif, very few rentals allow cash.  Many won't even
   let you drop off a check at the complex office.  I wonder if this
   has anything to do with the shortage of rental properties?
From: eugene@ksr.com (Eugene Yi-jen Pan)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Getting rich -- this is no joke!
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:47:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be's message of 2 Jan 93 14:52:28 EST

In article <1016@rc1.vub.ac.be> rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Roy Dictus) writes:
> If anyone is interested in reaping $69984 in six to eighteen
> months' time, virtually effortless, for every $96 investment
> you make, drop me a line and I'll send you more information.
> 
> I'm talking about a foolproof way of making money.  This is
> serious!!
> 
> -Roy D., rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be

If you are so confident that this isn't a scam, why don't you get people to sign
a legal document giving you 10% of their profits?  I'm sure many people, if not
most people, would be willing to cut you in on their good fortune by using your
great advice.  Instead of earning a paltry $96, you would earn $7000.  Even if
10% of the people sent you money, you would still be making out.  All you would
need is a mere 140 people to send you 10%, and you would be a millionare.  You
would be helping so many people to become wealthy, and you would reap the
benefits, too. 

By doing it this way, it won't be a scam.  I doubt that you would try it this
way because you are trying to get a free ride.  So take this crap elsewhere.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: pankaj@synopsys.com (Pankaj Mayor)
Subject: Monitored security system for home
Organization: Synopsys, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:41:49 GMT

I am looking at getting a monitored security system installed 
in my house. I am basically interested in a low cost system
which provides reasonable security against someone trying to 
break-in. Do any of you have any pleasant/horror stories to 
relate about the various companies out there which sell security
systems.

Thanks
From: pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: When is a dill pickle Kosher?
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:49:00 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: spectacle.sw.stratus.com

In article <C0G9Ls.4Fv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> prange@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) writes:
>if they are small they may be mustard seeds
>

They are the size of BBs.  I think they are coriander seeds.  Any other
guesses?

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Pearl  **  Stratus Computer, Inc.  **  pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Emergency light and heat
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:07:21 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan12.141349.26462@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mpb@troy.cc.bellcore.com (bunz,marcus p) writes:
>
   [outdoor use only lables on heaters...]

>Ever hear of CYA?
>
   
   It could be due to the carbon monoxide some produce as well.  

   About the cleanest ones I've used are the catalytic style propane
   heaters....and they stink less.  But you wouldn't want to store
   propane indoors...if it vents, the leak detector in it smells
   like rotting onions.   While the heater is in use, this isn't a
   problem.
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Need list of *secured* VISA/Mastercard Issuers?
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:21:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Open up a Fidelity Ultra Service brokerage account and you get a gold
Visa debit card.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ 08807-2618

Score: 0, Diff: 1, clong killed by a Harvard Math Team on  1
From: hung@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Hung Lu)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:29:57 GMT
Subject: Campbell's Recall.
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

  Just returned from oversea trip and learned that Campbell has recalled their
  frozen dinner and soups. I still have over 2 dozen of all kind of Campbell's 
  canned soups (my daughter loves it) ... anyone knows anything about this re-    call? What is about? I hate to dump all of these soups away... I have no re-
  ceipt on soups... Please post info. regarding this recall.
  Thanks,
  Hlu

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude)
Subject: Re: Locating Rare Used Books 
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:48:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.010504.8269@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>I saw somewhere (I think it was in this newsgroup) that there are
>bookstores around which specialize in finding hard-to-find out-of-print
>books for their customers.  Can anyone here recommend one of these
>bookstores which does business by mail-order?  Thanks.
>
>-- 
Check the last page of the "Book Review" section of the Sunday
"New York Times" (at your library, if you don't subscribe.) They
list book search companies.

I've used such a service through the phone/mail and was satisfied.
-- 
Harlan B. Braude
hbb@karin.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tommy@boi.hp.com (Tom Peterson)
Subject: Re: Campbell's Recall.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:09:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

Hung Lu (hung@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) wrote:
:   Just returned from oversea trip and learned that Campbell has recalled their
:   frozen dinner and soups. I still have over 2 dozen of all kind of Campbell's 
:   canned soups (my daughter loves it) ... anyone knows anything about this re-    call? What is about? I hate to dump all of these soups away... I have no re-
:   ceipt on soups... Please post info. regarding this recall.
:   Thanks,
:   Hlu
:-----------------------------------

From what I saw on the news, their rice was contaminated somehow
with broken glass.  So, before you start throwing everything out,
only foods that contain rice are questionable.  I would think
that most stores would take back the recalled food without a
receipt.

Good Luck,

Tom Peterson
tommy@boi.hp.com

Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: colette@bnr.ca (Colette George)
Subject: Washer,Dryer,Fridge & Stove All At Once!
Keywords: appliances, washer, dryer, fridge, stove, buy
Organization: Bell-Northern Research 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:50:03 GMT

Well, we bought a house with no appliances in it except a dishwasher, so we 
need to purchase a washer, dryer, fridge and stove within the next 3 months.  
I have no requirements other than the stove must have a self-cleaning oven,
and the washer/dryer combo should be as *quiet* as possible, since the laundry 
area is on the main level next to the TV room. 

I would appreciate any suggestions from the net on what to buy, what to avoid,
etc.  Thanks in advance!

-- 
===================================================================
Colette George 			
Bell-Northern Research Ltd. 	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Internet:  colette@bnr.ca 
===================================================================
From: schroede@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Erwin Schroeder)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Source for Range of Medical Fees?
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:43:37 GMT
Reply-To: schroede@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Erwin Schroeder)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I recently contributed quite a bundle to my local dentist.  
Although I suspect that his charges are toward the low end 
of the range, it occured to me that I really have no idea of 
the range of charges other than asking a few friends about 
their experiences which still doesn't answer the question.

Is there any source available to the public from which the
most usual range of fees for medical procedures ranging from 
an appendectomy to a root canal can be obtained?  

Of course such a range would be fairly large, and would vary 
with location.  Nevertheless, if one were anticipating paying
say $500 for a particular treatment, it would be more than 
interesting to know whether the range for that treatment was 
$200 to $500, $400 to $600, or $500 to $1000.

Thanks,

Erv

-- 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Re: 10 CDs for the price of 1: kosher?
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:01:52 GMT

In article <1iagejINN1s9@athena.sdsu.edu> dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster) writes:
>You've all probably seen this: in my TV guide the ad says you
>can buy 10 CDs for the price of 1, with nothing more to buy
>ever. Has anyone tried this?

I was in Columbia record club for a while, when they wanted me to renew I
did some math.  The hidden charges are shipping and handling, these are
way above anything I'd consider reasonable.  Add that to the price of each
CD (note: S&H is per disk, buy 5 disks and S&H is 5X), then assuming you
order the cheapest CD's available you average $11-$12 per disk after
fulfilling your agreement.  Around here we have sales often enough that I
can find what I want for $11-$12 anyway, and don't have the hassle of
being in a club.

It was the outrageous S&H charges that made me drop in the first place, the
math just allowed me to skip the ads without thinking about it.  And I only
got 3 disks I didn't want, 1 I liked and 2 really sucked (anyone want to buy
a David Lee Roth and/or Ratt CD?)

jim

-- 
Plumbers Motto:  A flush beats a full house.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Harkins                         [ucsd|uunet]!pacdata!jim
Pacific Data Products               jim@pacdata.com
--------------------------------------------------------------
From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Cordless phone recommendations
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:05:39 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <D2150040.n39erf@destiny.howtek.UUCP> paul@howtek.UUCP (Paul Rothenberg) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.005434.2635@informix.com> (misc.consumers), neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:
>> In article <1ifcisINNsjc@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> hugh@slee01.srl.ford.com writes:
>> >Hi folks,
>> >
>> >I am looking for recommendations for cordless telephones. I would
>> >prefer to stay under $100. Do I need a 10 channel phone if I stay
>> >within say 50 ft of the base unit? How do the Japanese brands compare
>> >with AT&T? My local appliance salesperson recommended SONY or Toshiba
>> >-- of course that's all she had in stock. Also, what is the security
>> >code in the phone used for?
>> 
>> I just got one of the latest Panasonic models for $99.  It has
>> 10 channels and auto-selects a channel when you turn it on; this
>> is the stand-up type which was actually my second choice - beats
>> me why people like their phones sticking up in the air when it's
>> on the base.
>> 
>Stay away from Panasonic. I have owned quite a few Panasonic phone
>products and ALL have eventually failed in a short period of time,
>especially their answering machines. 
>
>I own an AT&T Model 5300. It sounds great - very close to a corded
>phone. I have none of that "the person on the other end is further
>away" nonsense of the Panasonic. It has 10 auto-selecting channels.
>Replacement batteries and antennas are easy to get. I paid @ $89.00
>for mine. 

Just to provide a counterpoint - my old roommate's panasonic
answering machine lasted for 3 years without problems, and I haven't
had any problems with their products in the past.

My parent's AT&T 5300 sound quality is exactly like my panasonic.
Maybe something's wrong with my ears :-)  I just noticed the difference
the other day when I actually used my corded phone for the first time
since getting my cordless a month ago.  Now that I think about it,
it may simply be due to the size of the handset - my corded phone
is small and lightweight and the speaker probably sits closer to
the ear.

--Neil

-- 
Neil Williams: neilw@informix.com

Seen on my last trip on United: "If you are seated in an exit row 
and can not (sic) read this card... please notify a crew member."
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