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Subject: RE: Hypnosis - Personal Experience (long)
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I have no personal experience with self-hynosis as diet help, but
with stress help.  I have extremely severe tension headaches and
tried everything (esp. since they thought they were migraines) such
as biofeedback, relaxation techiniques and self-hypnosis.  Self-hypnosis
really helped me.  My father tried it for diet and it didn't work.  But
the reason it didn't work for him was that he couldn't relax enough to
susceptible to suggestions.  First there are differents kinds.  The tapes
that you listen to before falling asleep are subliminal tapes.  These
tapes usually have the sound of the ocean (sounds that are relaxing or
soothing) playing and then in the background (you're not supposed to
hear this) suggestions (for me: relax, be confident, calm, & collected, etc.)
are made to the sub-concious.  I was told you should be awake for part of
the tape but it's okay if you fall asleep and don't hear the rest.
The other method I'm familiar with is self-hypnosis.  Basically you
lie down in a quiet, dark room and relax yourself (through various methods) and
then tell yourself things  (for me -- suggestions to be calm, not tense
up) or use visual imagery.  For diet maybe visualizing yourself exercising ...
or even a number on a scale -- these are probably wrong since I've never
done it for diet but you get the idea.
   I think the key here is being very open to the idea it's going to work.
Then being able to relax enough that your mind is open to suggestions is 
the biggest factor to success.  You can train yourself to relax also.  I
learned through a professional (if you want his name let me know) so this
is my experience through him.  I have never used a tape from a store -- he 
made me some.  I did try someone local to my hometown (in NY) and she was
not very good and did nothing to reinforce my training.  So I think this
could mean some tapes might be very good and others not.  

Sorry it's so long but I hope this might help some of you who didn't
understand what is is.

Ann
ab5y@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:31:23 GMT

In article <55396@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
|> For the benefit of new readers who missed the pie flames:
|> 
|> MUFFINS -- of any type -- with any ingredients -- are FATTENING!
|> 
|> How can you seriously believe that 1-1/2 cups of flour and 3/4 cup
|> of sugar can be useful on a DIET! "101 less g. of fat & 421 less mg.
|> of cholesterol" just *screams* LESS THAN WHAT????
|> 
|> The only successful weight loss method is a lifelong change in eating
|> habits. When you've succeeded in losing all the weight you want, sure,
|> eat a muffin once a month or so. But to post these recipes in a
|> support group for people who are in the throes of trying to lose
|> weight is not doing any favors to those people. On the contrary, it
|> perpetuates a habit that has clearly resulted in overweightness -- if
|> not obesity.
|> 
|> Again, eat a piece of fruit.
|> 
|> Peggy Sweeney

Peggy,

Although I agree about the pie, I disagree entirely with your
condemnation of these fat-free muffins.   I think if they taste
good, dieters everywhere should have at them.  Flour isn't bad
for you, and the amount of sugar (3/4 cup=12 Tb) amounts to about
a tablespoon per muffin, and some folks would probably use less.

Would you condemn a piece of toast with no butter, some fruit, and 
a glass of skim milk?  That's basically what this recipe is equi-
valent to.  It sounds like a heck of a good, healthy diet meal to me.

I personally plan to run home and make a batch post haste.

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton)
Subject: Re: Hello again!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:17:41 GMT

I'd like to thank all of you (twenty or so) who sent me mail!
You've managed to get me fired up about losing and exercising!

So thanks Marie, Margot, Scotti, John, Bill, Babs and ALL THE REST OF YOU!

BTW, Scotti still can't post, so I'm posting this for her.   It's        
in response to my previous post.

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With regard to your slowing down on exercise...you hit the nail on the head
when you said "the excuse there is..."  They are ALL excuses.  Yes, the
exercise bike can be boring.  I've found that I do best when I firt get up
in the morning and am watching the news anyway.  My boyfriend has been teasing
me the last couple of days because I taped my coffee cup holder to the front
of the bike.  I GOTTA have that first cup.  As for the walking, there ju7st
(7??? -- long fingernails and keyboards, sorry) have to be some pretty areas
nearby, woods, gardens, neighborhood children (might not be "pretty" but are
usually fun to watch).  It is also a great time to just talk.  I do most of
my walking here at work, half an hour of my lunch break, with another
secretary.  That's partly because I like her company and partly because she
is trying to lose weight "just for herself", i.e. no medical orders like I
have, and she finds that she needs a boost to stay on track.

Unlike you, I HATE aerobics but I do them just to break the routine or when
I can't do any of the others for several days.

I guess the hardest part -- for me too -- is just climbing out of the chair
and DOING something!  Anything!  Change around what you do each day but do
something every day.  You ARE doing fine.  You managed a vacation without
backsliding.  Congratulations!

I just had another silly thought.  If you get tired of your aerobics tapes and
know some of the moves, turn on the radio or some M-TV or other video show
and dance to that for a change.  Get Hope to join in (probably not a real
problem).  Pretend you're teenagers again.  Who CARES if you don't dance like
a pro!  It is movement, it is fun, and if you get laughing -- GREAT!

By the way, I still can't post.  We have all kinds of folks on vacation and
I haven't gotten to the one or ones who can tell me what is wrong.  So if you
want to post this for me, you may.

Best of luck.
Scotti
 

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T O M   H O R T O N    * * *  U.Va. French Department
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:03:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Hello everyone!
 
I got this recipe out of an _American_Health_ magazine the other
day.  I admit I haven't tried it yet, but it sounds good.  The
recipe claims to be "101 less g. of fat & 421 less mg. of
cholesterol" but I don't have the figures for the actual content.
Anybody with one of those nifty programs want to figure it up
for us???
 
Dannon Muffins
--------------
Ingredients:
1-1/2 cups all-purpose flour
3/4 cup sugar
2 tsps. baking powder
1 tsp. baking soda
1/2 tsp. salt
2/3 cup Dannon plain Nonfat or lowfat Yogurt
2/3 cup skim milk
1/2 cup blueberries or grated apple (if desired)
 
In large mixing bowl combine flour, sugar, baking powder, baking
soda and salt.  Gently stir in yogurt and milk, blending just
until dry ingredients are moistened.  Fill lightly greased or
paper-lined muffin cups 3/4 full.  Bake at 400 f for 18 minutes
or until well-browned.  Serve warm.  Makes approx. 12 muffins.
 
Lite Streusel Variation:
Combine 1/3 cup sugar and 1/2 tsp. cinnamon.  Fill muffin cups
1/2 full with batter; place tsp. of sugar-cinnamon mixture on
top of each and add batter to fill cups 3/4 full.
 
 
I think it would probably be really good with some banana added...
And why not fruit yogurt instead of plain?  Mmmm.  I will use
non-stick muffins tins to avoid the oil too.  Enjoy.
 
TAMARA
From: nancyann@work.berkeley.edu (Nancy Johnsen Horton)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Tapes
Date: 30 Jul 1992 15:15:08 GMT
Organization: /etc/organizaton
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: work.berkeley.edu

In article <14r74nINNqbr@agate.berkeley.edu> abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch) writes:
>Has anyone seen/used the Denise Austin tapes?
>
>Anthony Bulloch
>abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu
>


Yes, I bought the Denise Austin 30 minute fat-burning tape.  I am
a "reentry" exerciser, and my criterion for purchasing that
particular tape was that I only wanted a 30 minute workout.  

The tape is okay.  I don't have experience with many other exercise
videos.  I got pretty bored with it soon.  I've been meaning to
buy one or two different ones for variety.  In fact, I'm more apt to
just go for a walk instead of exercise with Denise Austin.

njh
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Yummy summer meal recipe
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:39:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

My SO and I made this last night.  It can be high or low fat content,
depending on how you prepare it.  Ours was medium.  It'll also
give you the worst breath in the world, so if you're making it
with someone you love, make sure you _both_ eat it!

I don't tend to use specific amounts of things, but here are
the basic ingredients and directions:

Peel, de-seed and chop up very yummy vine-ripened tomatoes;
Add chopped _fresh_ basil;
Add finely chopped or pressed garlic to taste;
Add diced aged provolone cheese (NO FLAMES, PLEASE -- if you don't
  eat provolone, try adding diced cardboard/diet cheese)
Dress with olive oil and balsaamic vinegar;
Add salt and pepper to taste.

Put the whole mess over your favorite pasta (topping is cold; pasta
  is hot); we used fresh spinach pasta, made that day.

Light a couple of candles, put on some Puccini and enjoy!



-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Diet Pep 
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:22:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.042308.4805@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.221534.25690@Cadence.COM> fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:

Thanks for your reply.  I enjoy reading your postings.

Fran Peterson

F [:)

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: pie!!!
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 08:02:15 GMT

FIn article <Jul21.163600.42091@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> pruett@CS.ColoState.EDU (J. L. Pruett) writes:

>SHEESH PEOPLE.

>ever heard of non-fat yogurt, cool whip light and diet crusts!!  

Non-fat yogurt: yes.
Cool Whip Light: no.
Diet crusts: no.

You also didn't specify those items in your recipe.

>last time I try to be helpful. 

>Don't bother with your nasty comments anymore, I can't believe I've
>even responded to  your complaints as it is. I usually don't bother.  

Relax.  If the diet crusts are sucrose/glucose-free, I'm interested in
knowing who makes 'em and where we all can get 'em.

As for Cool Whip Light, it's probably available everywhere, but I've
never cared much for Cool Whip in the first place.

--Lynn
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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Hypnosis tapes
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:54:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

For those of you who requested info on the hypnosis tape, I went down
in the garage and dug one up!

As I mentioned, I used these several years ago and was somewhat
successful with them. I am in no way affiliated with the company, but
I used one of their tapes to quit smoking ( hallelujah, it has been 3
years!) in addition to the diet tape and it really helped me a lot.

The company is called "Master Your Mind"
                       881 Hawthorne Drive
                       Walnut Creek, Ca. 94596
                       510-945-0941

This is old info off of a tape I have had for several years. I hope it
is still accurate. If I remember correctly the tapes were under 15
dollars and were available in several versions. As I mentioned
earlier, I used the "sleep" tapes. They relax you to sleep through a
guided meditation and then make suggestions to your subconscious mind.

I have no idea what they tell you, I slept through every single playing
of the tapes!

I am not sure if these are useful to everyone. Personally, i believe
that real changes are made by "re-programming" our thinking. These can
be one tool in a toolkit for change-making. They are probably most
useful to those who are already motivated and just need a "booster"
shot!

Anyway, best wishes.

rf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Diet Pep
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:34:09 GMT

In article <92092@bu.edu> manes@bu-pub.bu.edu (Michelle Manes) writes:

Rather than thank everyone individually for their replies, I think I'll
just save everyones time and the net cost and just say THANKS, to all
who responded.

Fran Peterson

F [:)

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Date: 27 Jul 1992 07:18:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I think you're being a little hard on Mr. Pival (and I think
his apology was a bit more 'unconditional' than it need have
been - I guess he was really upset at having given offense).
I happen to know a bit about the program he is referring to,
and it's no scam: it's a real program, non-Diet, and is based
on research done at UCLA and UTexas at Austin. (I've also
been told that the US Olympic swimming, cycling and sailing
teams use several of the products connected with the program.)

[By the way, this program does come down very hard on fats,
and helps decode a lot of those misleading labels on food
(you know: "97% fat free", on a food that turns out, when
you know how to interpret the figures, to be 30% fat!). I
think that was probably P.'s train of thought in sending
notes to people who posted on olives and ice-cream.]

I know that contributors to this group have stated before
that they really don't like being sollicited, but that was
in response to some peddler of snake oil (or wheat-grass, or
whatever it was) who came across like a cheapo car-dealer
who would set your mileometer back to zero for $5. Here's
Mr. Pival with a top quality program which he obviously
knows is being helpful to a lot of people: what's he to
do? Not mention it because of a personal business interest?
I thought his note was pretty tactful myself, so you
could take it or leave it without feeling much intruded on.
(I suppose that's my own criterion: How intrusive? There
are several other groups on the net where people post with
a clear financial interest but where many of us have been
very glad to know of their services. But I realise that we
are all going to have different tolerances on this one - and
certainly there _are_ enough scams around in the 'diet' area.)

On another topic, but as an antidote to my philosophical
digression above, I thought the main advantage of carob
over chocolate was that it is a) caffeine-free and b) free
of the components that cause migraine and lesser allergic
reactions for quite a lot of people. Is that wrong?
[Carob appeared earlier in this string.]

Anthony Bulloch
abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Yummy summer meal recipe
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:58:10 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Boston University

In article <84735@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>My SO and I made this last night.  It can be high or low fat content,
>depending on how you prepare it.  Ours was medium.  It'll also
>give you the worst breath in the world, so if you're making it
>with someone you love, make sure you _both_ eat it!
>
>I don't tend to use specific amounts of things, but here are
>the basic ingredients and directions:
>
>Peel, de-seed and chop up very yummy vine-ripened tomatoes;
>Add chopped _fresh_ basil;
>Add finely chopped or pressed garlic to taste;
>Add diced aged provolone cheese (NO FLAMES, PLEASE -- if you don't
>  eat provolone, try adding diced cardboard/diet cheese)
>Dress with olive oil and balsaamic vinegar;
>Add salt and pepper to taste.
>
>Put the whole mess over your favorite pasta (topping is cold; pasta
>  is hot); we used fresh spinach pasta, made that day.
>

Sounds yummy -- lots like what my SO and I made last night.
(Ours wasn't as fresh -- we haven't been grocery shopping
for a while and had to make do with what we had around.):

1 can (20 oz.) crushed tomatoes
1 can artichokes hearts
2 cloves crushed garlic
2 tsp crushed basil (I get this psued-fresh stuff in a jar that's
better than dried but not as good as fresh)
8 large mushrooms, diced
1 small white onion, diced
dash crushed red pepper
2 jalepenos, diced
2 tsp fresh cilantro, finely chopped

(If you don't like it spicy, leave out the red pepper and jalepenos.
If you think cilantro tastes like soap, leave it out.
Add oregano if you like it.
Add bell pepper -- I would have if we had any around.
Use your imagination.)

Serve over pasta with a side of steamed asparagus.
(We used ziti, and after 2 large helpings -- one each --
there was still a lot of sauce left.  It filled an old
spaghetti sauce jar.)

The sauce is all veggie -- no oil, no meat, no fat.
The only thing in the whole meal that wasn't veggie was
the pasta, which is also low fat.  And it was *wonderful*.

michelle

--
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: A news/email diet scam?
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:16:34 GMT


Setting asides the details of this particular occurence...

I thought the rule was _1_ solicitation of a new product permitted,
where appropriate.  I know I wasn't flamed when I announced a friend's
new magazine on alt.pagan/alt.religion.newage.  Numerous people are
now happy subscribers who would have never heard of the magazine
except through that post.  (To give you an idea of how tight a niche
it fills, the circulation is still in the low 100's.  I think.  He
doesn't discuss it anymore ;-).

Of course, it this case it was quite clear it was a new product.
God help us if 1000 Herbalife distributors descended upon us, each
claiming that since _s/he_ hadn't posted any information yet....


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
(p.s., e-mail to me may bounce...)
From: manes@bu-pub.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet Pep
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:14:55 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Jul27.221534.25690@Cadence.COM>, fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Has anyone heard of a product called Diet Pep.  Suppose to curb
|> the appetite and boost energy?
|> 
 
|> F [:)

They sell this stuff -- along with "Pep", "Lady Pep", and "Brain Pep" --
at my gym.  I am leary of such stuff and stay away from it.  I don't take
vitamin suppliments -- I try for a balanced diet instead.  Likewise, I
don't take diet pills -- I try to eat right and exercise.  I have only
heard from one woman at my gym.  She's been using the "Lady Pep" stuff
and says she feels more energetic, more alert, etc.  I don't know
what she usually eats, but fatigue is not an issue for me, so
I didn't run out and buy the stuff.  (She's not trying to
lose weight.  I assume "Diet Pep" is similar to "Lady Pep" only with
an appetite suppressant.)  If I remember correctly, the stuff seemed
exhorbinantly priced.  Buy some spinach instead.  :>

michelle

-- 
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig
From: 421s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Masser)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: pie!
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: 421s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Teresa Masser)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.support.diet, lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) writes:
>Q: How would it come out if you were to use two non-fat aspartame-
>sweetened yogurts, 8 oz of VERY CHILLED nonfat milk whipped to a foam,
>and 1 package of unflavored gelatin?

Can you whip non-fat milk?  I think I've tried it once, with not much
luck.

Has anyone else been able to whip non-fat milk?  Which brings me to
another question.  I've heard there is a non-fat sour cream product
out on the market...is there also a non-fat cream product?  (Yes I know
that is contradictory in terms). Hmm, maybe you could use whipped egg 
whites and gelatin with non-fat yogurt?  Would that work?  <chuckle>
Maybe I should leave the creating to the ones who have real culinary
talents!

However I will say that I've had considerable success with a packaged
mousse mix by WW with skim milk.  I've used that as a "frosting" and
also as a filling.  You could experiment with yogurts and gelatin also.

Teresa
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