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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Explosion in Israel
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:39:58 GMT

lush@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) writes:

#About 2 am this morning I heard on the radio a breaking news
#story about an explosion at a secret military base "in the middle
#of Israel."  The reporter said something about a mushroom cloud,
#said it was like an earthquake, and compared it to a SCUD coming
#down from Saddam Hussein (there was no basis for this analogy, but
#he said it).  This morning there was nothing on the radio about it.
#
#Has anyone heard anything about this?
#
#Greg

It was an accident in an ammunition plant. Three people were killed
and a few dozens injured. It was reported in CNN and "Israel Line".

-Danny Keren.


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From: dan@jonas.berkeley.edu (dan graves)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Date: 30 Jul 1992 16:43:44 GMT
Organization: University of California Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: jonas.berkeley.edu
Keywords: 
 ARF says:
 
 I have never stated anything like that.  I have repeatedly 
 complained about the distortion in the media and the 
 corruption of Congress by the "Friends of Israel" or 
 Israelists as I choose to call them.

Son of Goebbels strikes  again with his conspiracy
theory that Jews control congress.   This is nothing
more than Nazi rhetoric.  We support Israel
because it is in our interests to support the  only democracy
of the region.   Democracies make better allies and 
Israel has been one of USA's most steadfast allies.

 ARF says:
 
   It is also obvious that Israel, as one of the 
 most powerful military forces in the world, has  little to 
 be concerned with when it comes to security.  It is simply a 
 canard for continual hate mongering and military buildup to 
 threaten its neighbors.  When is enough, enough?
 
 arf
 
Israel does not threaten its neighbors; it defends itself.
Every nation has this right.

dan
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 13:47:04 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Apology to Limbaugh Fans
 <1992Jul21.053546.16208@ddsw1.mcs.com>
 <1992Jul21.164922.3118@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
 <1992Jul22.051907.5567@ddsw1.mcs.com>

In article <1992Jul22.051907.5567@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack
Schmidling) says:
>
>In article <1992Jul21.164922.3118@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>                         u
>friedenb@frith.egr.msu.ed
>(Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>>
>>I would like to apologize to all of the Rush Limbaugh fans that I
>>offended by comparing Rush to bARF.
>>
>>My criticism of Rush still stands, but through email discussions I have
>>come to realize that the difference between bARF and Rush is the issue
>>of intent and mailce.
>
>
>ARF says:
>
>Are we to believe that Rush has told you that ARF is malicious?

Are we to believe that the above comments you refer to say one damn thing
about what Rush Limbaugh said? Are we to believe that Rush was involved in
the aforementioned "email discussions"? Finally,are we to believe that you
even read that post before you replied to it?

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Sarajevo pix in NY Times magazine
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:42:00 GMT

This Sunday's NY Times Magazine contained a portfolio of photos 
titled "The Dying City of Sarajevo." First, here's what it =should=
have included:

  1. A double-page spread of the demolished skyline or other long
     view of the city.

  2. Major ancient landmark buildings that have been destroyed.

But these scens were not there. What it actually included was:

  1. The interior of a nondescript church with fire-charred seats and 
     roof beams, but absolutely no smoke damage to the walls!

  2. A section of street about 100 feet long littered with a 
     too-even distribution of roof tiles.

  3. The facade of a stone building with some of the facing 
     blown away.

In other words, they used scenes that are about the size of the
average movie set, and look like they were set up to make a
movie, to represent the alleged destruction of a whole city.
This strengthens my position that the allegations are fiction. 
I'm even more willing now to bet money on my position if there
is anyone out there who will take the oppositie side.
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: AIDS: What the Government Isn't Telling You
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:13:52 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <24996@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Eric T. Jue <etjue@lbl.gov> writes:

>I heard an interesting talk show on 7/27/92 concerning a new book titled
>"What the Government Isn't Telling You About AIDS."  The author of the

[material deleted]

>air and fielded questions from listeners.  According to her, research has
>shown that the AIDS virus is not a fragile virus and that it may survive
>up to 7 days in a dry environment and up to 14 days in a moist one.  It
>follows from this that AIDS may be transmitted through all types of
>bodily fluids, including sweat, and not just through blood.  She mentions

These assertions, backed up with research from strong sources, like the
Pasteur labs, etc., were made as early as 1987 in a book with a title
_something like_ "The AIDS Conspiracy," in which the author, using
exhaustive documentation, offered these beliefs and the assertion that the
government was deliberately keeping the information from the public.

The studies demonstrating the dry environment tests were well documented, as
were others in which the near-impossibility of killing the virus with
boiling water was asserted. The book was sold by Christian book stores,
which will give you a good idea on the author's spin, but it is well worth
the time and effort required to locate it, as it contains hundreds of
bibliographic citations.


-- 
"November 3, 1943, Code Name: Erntefest, Harvest Festival. Seventeen
thousand Jews, rounded up after the final collapse of the Warsaw Ghetto,
were machine-gunned. The victims were lined up in front of open ditches
which they had dug for their own graves." [Maidanek KL. Sachar]
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.c
From: ejk@coral.JPL.NASA.gov (Elya Kapelyan)
Subject: Re: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:31:57 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Jul27233251@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
|> In article <mL1koB8w165w@coriolis.UUCP> mitch@coriolis.UUCP (Mitch) writes:
|> >   arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
|> >
|> >   > Thank you for pointing out the obvious missing word.  Israel received
|> >   > $5.5 billion last year out of a total foreign aid budget of $13.5 billion.
|> >   > 
|> >   > The only reason the total budget is $13.5 billion is because in order to
|> >   > get Eqypt to Camp David we had to give them $1.5 billion and in order to 
|> >   > get Israel to come, we had to guarnatee that Israel would always get more.
|> >   > 
|> >   > I am not sure which is the stupider way of getting peace, starting wars
|> >   > or giving them money but sooner or later, we might notice the lack of
|> >   > peace in our own country.
|> >   > 
|> >
|> >   Of course, Egypt gets about $3 billion per year from the US, and got a 
|> >   $6 billion bonus last year for not objecting to the Gulf War, but that's 
|> >   probably just because they're puppets of the Zionist Conspiracy, right?
|> 
|> If you read the Camp David accords, you will find out that very little
|> of what they call for has actually happened.  In addition to the
|> actual peace between Israel and Egypt, the Camp David agreement calls
|> for a transitional Palestinian administration of the West Bank and
|> Gaza.  The transitional period was to have lasted no more than five
|> years, then full autonomy was to take place, pending Israeli,
|> Egyptian, and Jordanian approval.

	You are absolutely right when you say that the CD Accords have not 
been fully implemented, but the issues have more to do with Egyptian 
unwilligness than with the Palestians, the Jordanians, or the Martians.  The
primary purpose of the CD Accords was the return of the Sinai to Egypt in 
return for "peace", and the sections on the "autonomy" were essentially a fig
leaf for Sadat.  In addition, you very conveniently ignore the fact that the 
Palestinians rejected the CD Accords, out of hand.  So who was Israel supposed to
have negociated with, themselves?

|> Somehow, I think that the US was cheated on this deal.  We paid for a
|> Palestinian state, and we didn't get one.  We ought to ask for our
|> money back.
|> 
|> --
|> =Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

	Wrong.  We paid for a reduction of tension in the Middle East, and we 
got just that.  I doubt that even Carter would have been stupid enough to want
a Palestinian state west of the Jordan.

	Elya
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:13:46 GMT

arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

[Periodic drivel deleted]

#When is enough, enough?
# 
# arf

Barfie, enough was enough loooong time ago. Get out of tpm like you
promised, jerk.

-Danny Keren.


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From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: Sarajevo pix in NY Times magazine
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:56:08 GMT

This is a follow-up to the original posting by Charles Parker.  I am posting 
this on behalf of my brother-in-law Edward Kesich (who does not have access 
to the net).  Please send any replies to my attention via e-mail.

Emily Rizzo


to: "THOMAS" aka Charles Packer
subject: war in Croatia/Bosnia
Scepticism is a worthy attribute, especilly in this age of high tech
news management.  in the case of the war in C & B, there is much which
should be taken with a grain of salt.  Unfortunately, the material damage
and human suffering are both all too real.  the so called faked NYTimes
photos from Sarajevo are, in fact, exactly what one would expect from a combat
zone (ie walls of shell struck church are *not* pristine; roof tiles,
which are hung in series, *will* rain down like water when subjected to the
impact of pressure from an explosive blast). however, since those who
have been most affected by the war are unlikely to have pc's, and less likely
still to have network access, it is doubtful that your request for first
person accounts will be successful.  therefore might I suggest that you
arrange to visit the war zone yourself.  after all, to paraphase the
apostle Thomas, "seeing is believing."  Though, admittedly, in a sense,
I'd almost rather you remained a non-believer; I wish I could be.

Edward Kesich
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From: ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Omar Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Apology to Limbaugh Fans
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:57:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gePPqYW00VpH4bX0kr
	<1992Jul22.051907.5567@ddsw1.mcs.com>
Organization: Senior, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>In article <1992Jul21.164922.3118@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
friedenb@frith.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>>
>>I would like to apologize to all of the Rush Limbaugh fans that I 
>>offended by comparing Rush to bARF.  
>>
>>My criticism of Rush still stands, but through email discussions I have
>>come to realize that the difference between bARF and Rush is the issue
>>of intent and mailce. 
>
>
>ARF says:
>
>Are we to believe that Rush has told you that ARF is malicious?
>
>arf

No ARF, he's saying that the net people know what a malicious SOB you are.

					Tom the non hacker
					Kemp in 96!
					Ross Perot may indeed turn this
					country around.  However, his next act
					will probably be to bend it over.
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From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.arabic,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Schmidling is simply wrong... and a liar.
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:21:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.censorship
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <1992Jul29.131434.26951@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

> I have never stated anything like that.  I have repeatedly 
> complained about the distortion in the media and the 
> corruption of Congress by the "Friends of Israel" or 
> Israelists as I choose to call them.

Hell, Jack, even when you _do_ make a statement, you either deny it later,
or ignore it - like the statement you made recently about staying out of
tpmideast (which I have removed from distribution here, since you couldn't
be bothered keeping your word, I thought I'd lend a hand and do it for you.)

> Refusing another $10 billion on top of the $78 billion 
> already bilked from American taxpayers is hardly proof 

"Bilked" suggests a criminal act - please prove that statement, perhaps by
demonstrating that the American taxpayers have paid this amount because the
expendature was misrepresented. Or quit using emotive bullshit terms like
"bilked" which have no basis in fact.

> largest.   You used the words "too much", I call it utter 
> corruption.

Prove it or quit babbling on, Jack. Your Goebbels' approach to reality, i.e.
repeating the same bullshit over and over again will get you believed, won't
wash here.

> First of all, you insist on injecting the word "JEW" in this 
> discussion to smear me as an antisemite.  But all you do is 

Your reputation as such is so well established that I'm amazed to see you
continue to question its use.

Followup to alt.censorship, if for no other reason than to reduce the
ridiculous number of cross-posts on this thread, and to help Jack keep his
promise re talk.politics.mideast.

-- 
"November 3, 1943, Code Name: Erntefest, Harvest Festival. Seventeen
thousand Jews, rounded up after the final collapse of the Warsaw Ghetto,
were machine-gunned. The victims were lined up in front of open ditches
which they had dug for their own graves." [Maidanek KL. Sachar]
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Jul22.051632.5324@ddsw1.mcs.com>
	<NELSON.92Jul23214224@sun.clarkson.edu>
	<1992Jul29.131434.26951@ddsw1.mcs.com>
	<159680INN7pj@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:56:55

In article <159680INN7pj@agate.berkeley.edu> dan@jonas.berkeley.edu (dan graves) writes:
>   We support Israel
>   because it is in our interests to support the  only democracy
>   of the region.   Democracies make better allies and 
>   Israel has been one of USA's most steadfast allies.

Yemen is starting to be a democracy now.  Lebanon would be a democracy
if it weren't for the constant invasion, occupation, and civil war.
Shall we start supporting these two countries at the same rate we
support Israel?  Or should we reduce Israel's support to the levels we
give Lebanon and Yemen?

I don't understand what you mean when you say that Israel has been one
of the USA's most steadfast allies.  Do you mean that the US has, in
time of need, been able to go to Israel for help?  Do you mean that
Israel has done its best to do what the US wants it to do?  Please
explain.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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From: friedenb@frith.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human
Subject: Apology to Limbaugh Fans
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:49:22 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@frith.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


I would like to apologize to all of the Rush Limbaugh fans that I 
offended by comparing Rush to bARF.  

My criticism of Rush still stands, but through email discussions I have
come to realize that the difference between bARF and Rush is the issue
of intent and mailce. 


Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University

                       
"Patriotism is the last hiding place of a scoundrel."

                        - Ambrose Pierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
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From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
	<1992Jul22.051632.5324@ddsw1.mcs.com>
	<NELSON.92Jul23214224@sun.clarkson.edu>
	<1992Jul29.131434.26951@ddsw1.mcs.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:44:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.131434.26951@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

    ARF says:
    
    First of all, you insist on injecting the word "JEW" in this 
    discussion to smear me as an antisemite.  But all you do is 
    force me to waste energy repeating the tired old rebuttals.  

I used to believe you, indeed, even defend you, until I saw you post a
few articles in which you criticize American Jews as Jews and not as
Zionists.

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> I'm proud to be a humble Quaker.
Peace is not the absence of war.  Peace is the presence of a system for
resolving conflicts before war becomes necessary.  War never creates peace.
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From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Photo of bombed cars
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:35:32 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <21JUL199207591174@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

>result of heavy objects falling on them, squarely in their centers.
>Anyone want to make up a story to explain it?

Asteroids, caused by aliens coming to speak with Ross Perot about his
aborted run. (They want to know why their man dropped out.)

								MPA
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From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,soc.rights.human,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:42:24 GMT
	<1992Jul21.000223.5231@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
	<1992Jul21.181332.5192@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
	<1992Jul22.051632.5324@ddsw1.mcs.com>
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY

In article <1992Jul22.051632.5324@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

>Anybody notice how the issue got switched from the Friends of Israel
>programming Rush to prayer in school?

Jack Schmidling constantly complains that the Jews have too much influence
in America.  If that is the case, then why did they get their loan guarantees
turned down?  Now, I will grant him that there is often a correlation between
the goals of the Zionist lobby and the goals of the American government.
But correlation does not imply causation.

Jack Schmidling constantly complains that the Jews control the media
in America.  Yes, Jews are prominent in American media.  However, it
is well known (or *should* be well known) that advertisers indirectly
dictate editorial content.  And who advertises in the New York Times
(and other Jew-controlled media)?  Lots of non-Zionist companies.

For more information on why the Jews deserve security and the
Palistinians deserve a country, contact Stephen Zunes, Executive
Director of the Institute for a New Middle East Policy, P.O. Box
10898, Bainbridge Island, WA 98110.
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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,alt.c
Subject: Re: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:31:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Jul29.183159.27257
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Jul29.023949.26167@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <mL1koB8w165w@coriolis.UUCP> mitch@coriolis.UUCP (Mitch) writes:

>>Of course, Egypt gets about $3 billion per year from the US, and got a 
>>$6 billion bonus last year for not objecting to the Gulf War, but that's 
>>probably just because they're puppets of the Zionist Conspiracy, right?
>
>It seems a automatic to bring up Egypt as it is to distort the number.  The 
>;;number is $1.7 billion and not 3.

No distortion involved.  Egypt got, as Mitch pointed out, 6.9 Billion
dollars in US loans forgiven last year, as a "reward" for helping
defend Saudi Arabia.

Adam


Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.      
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.misc
From: dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic)
Subject: Re: Sarajevo pix in NY Times magazine
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:23:27 GMT

In article <28JUL199208060474@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
 LOTS OF VERY RIDICULOUS STUFF


Of all the nationalistic and intolerant articles posted here yours is
the one that disturbes me the most.  Maybe for you the war on the
teritory of ex Yugoslavia is not real, but for the people whose
closest have died, it is more then real - it's terrifying!  I don't
know where you grew up and what your morals are, but I have trouble
with your acceptance of human casualties so easily.  So maybe you need
to readjust your values and do some soul searching in order to
determine what is real for somebody, and what isn't.  And rather than
criticising people for not willing to be poked by journalists, maybe
you should poke yourself with a couple of bullets and see how real it
gets...

		Hope there is still humanity on this planet!

				--- Davor
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