HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:25:05 CST
Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> In article <1992Dec22.211732.7987@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com
> >sirbyte@brewich.hou.tx.us (William hancock) writes:
> >: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> >: > : The correct terminology for a man who endeavors to engage in magical
> >: > : practices is "Warlock".  The more gender nuetral term would be
> 
> Actually this isn't true.  (I know, I know, .... flame away)
> 
> I don't remember the word that it comes from, but the original latin that
> the word "Warlock" comes from means "betrayer".  A warlock is someone in
> the occult that betrayes his/her own.
> 
> The reason I know this is because one of my teachers was accused of being
> a warlock.  It was a vast misunderstanding, but then again emotions were
> running high.
> 
> BB,
> 
> Tammy the flamebait
> 
> 
> 

not sure of my spelling, but the word was Norse, not Latin, and the word 
is hvaardlocke or something like that. It originally described a special 
kind of priest or holy man that dressed in womens clothing. This was part 
of their magic, stealing the womens mysteries. The term was applied to 
the male witch in much the same context, a man in a role considered 
feminine.

Blessed Be!

--------------------
Donal, SysAdmin of The Brewers' Witch BBS -- +1 713 272 7350
(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@brewich.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443  (WFS) file-request@brewich.hou.tx.us  INDEX or HELP
(SCA) Ld. Donal Dubh, IC of Dun Bruadar, B of the Stargate, K of Ansteorra
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 1993 12:38:02 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b31

That was a fascinating post, Robert.  It brings up an aspect of the "fam 
trad" issue that, despite my general skepticism of grandmother stories, 
actually shows how there can be an undercurrent of truth in them.  One thing 
that I tend to do is to view modern witchcraft as one instance of a general 
pattern that threads through most of history.  While it is certainly true 
that Wicca and other modern variants of witchcraft are quite recent, it is 
also true that there are almost always documentable "alternative religion" 
movements, many of which share important aspects.  And it is certainly quite 
conceivable that interest in such things could "run in a family," even if 
there is no unbroken line of specific traditions.

That is to say, an esoteric bent in a family could show up in a particular 
generation as spiritualism, witchcraft, classical revival, occultism revival, 
offbeat religion (Christian Science, Mormonism, New Age, etc.), Freemasonry, 
and so on.  I personally see nothing wrong with this, although it's 
admittedly less melodramatic than a claim of a BoS handed down in secret for 
the past millenium.

No one, I think, is suggesting that Gardner created Wicca out of whole cloth, 
or that no one "did this stuff" before him--that is patently false.  However, 
he did do a masterful job of crystalizing a concrete framework out of a vast 
field of amorphous interest and individual practice.  Unfortunately or not, 
however, the image of "The Burning Times" is sufficiently powerful (and with 
good reason!) that many people want desperately for it to be historical and 
not mythic.  This is especially true given the time period during which 
witchcraft really started to spread--after WWII.  I don't think it's a 
coincidence, for example, that many of the images struck echoes with the 
experience of Jews during the War, and that this provided them with 
additional power...




Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bast@wam.umd.edu (Jaguar)
Subject: Re: Tree Prayin' Fey Talkin' Foo'
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:16:14 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tree Prayin' Fey Talkin' Foo'
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Keywords: 


Somone asked for exersises to help let them get into contact with
the world/fey/whatever you want to call it.....
Yes, siiting and listining seems way too easy.
But it is the most difficult thing to learn.
Most (shamanic) traditions I have seen say that your mind has to be
free of the chatter your brain prattles to itself before you can truely
SEE the world around yoyu.
The basic exercise I have seen for stopping the chatter is meditation.
By chatter, I am referring to the steady stream of comments, doubts and
conversation that goes on in out oops.. our minds.
The basic task is to sit (stand or however you meditate) and clear the mind
of it. Have your mind oen, open, receptive, but not commenting on what
data comes in.
In other words, shut down that conversation.
not easy.
try to start by thing of the word nothing.. concentrat on that.
(or if that seems corny, think of your own way to do it)
My problem is as soon as I clear my mind, the cat  catterbox section pipes
up with a "conrads! You really did it this time..." and romps off from there.
Jaguar
has the sneaking supision that
her cat has the method down pat....
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Faggots and witches (again)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 20:18:04 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

rjb@carson.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars) writes:

> Nevertheless, the use of the words "fag" and "faggot" to mean "male
> homosexual" is basically North American.  It was first recorded in
> North America, and it isn't characteristic of British English at all
> (except perhaps in imitation of North American slang, and only very
> recently if at all).
> 
> Don't you think it unlikely that a usage some people now claim to derive
> from European persecutions of several centuries ago should first be
> recorded in the late 19th century in North America?  In English?
> And not Latin or French or Spanish?
> 
> I recommend checking the Oxford English Dictionary.  And not teriary or
> quaternary sources that have less reliability than the average urban legend.
> 
> --LeGrand
> 


I just read through my copy or Eric Partride's  "A Dictionary Of Slang 
And Unconventional English", Macmillan Co., 1961.

Faggot does not make an apperance as a term for homosexuals in this work.

The closest it comes is the word Faggot as, "to frequent harlots".
  Fag has numerous entries almost all dealing with the phenomena of 
'fags', younger schoolboys doing various menial chores for old students, 
but even here there is no sexual meaning connoted by 'fag'.  I would 
expect then, that Faggot is either very recent and as suggested, American 
usage. It ain't to be found in english slang prior to the 50's

Partridge's book is 1400 pages of slang from early english to the 50's.
It is pretty well researched and seems pretty authoritative as it has a 
pretty good bibliography and Partridge has consulted every old dictionary 
of slang up to his day.

Pope Charles.  Subgenius Pope Of Houston.


**********************************************************************
* Pope Charles - Subgenius pope Of Houston & The Golden Triangle Area*
*       Laughing at everything in the Universe, including the        *
*       concept of laughing at everything in the Universe.           *
*               rivdell.sccsi.com    Houston, Texas                  *
**********************************************************************
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:08:22 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Followup-To: talk.environment
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) wrote:
> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>> I've been brainstorming on ideas of how [plastic] could be re-used
>> effectively.  I'd rather it did not get buried there and a shredded,
>> pressed plastic and particle board or sheetrock would be a useful
>> place to put it. 
> Building code would probably prohibit that.  Many plastics put out toxic
> gases when burned; you do _not_ want to kill the occupants of a house
> due to a minor electrical fire.

The board Ashley envisages has been in industrial-scale production from a
firm in Aberdeen for a few years.  I'm not entirely sure what its main use
is, but UK building codes aren't that different from US ones so it ought to
have some application there too.

Followups to talk.environment.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: Nomenclature...i am confused
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:13:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: d0gslb.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1h2nh2INNoof@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cn573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
(Ray Henry) writes:
> In the strictest sense, a witch is a practitioner of the path of
> Wicca or one of the very similar ways. It is the intentions of
> the witch that determine whether he or she is "white", "black",
> or "gray." (Some argue that there is no Gray Wicca, but that is a
> different discussion.) 

I'd argue that there is no White or Black Wicca, either.  There is only Wicca.

-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:29:19 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1992Dec22.020812.25734@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
>>In article <1307@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM>, ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>>> 
>>> I've been brainstorming on ideas of how [plastic] could be re-used
>>> effectively. 
>>'d rather it did not get buried there and a shredded, pressed plastic and
>>>(?) 
>>> particle board or sheetrock would be a useful place to put it. 
>
>Sigh.
>
>Building code would probably prohibit that.  Many plastics put out toxic
>gases when burned; you do _not_ want to kill the occupants of a house
>due to a minor electrical fire.
>
>I know you mean well, but you _must_ consider the consequences of things
>going wrong.  There are _very_ tight restrictions on the structural materials
>you are allowed to use -- plastics which produce toxic gases and aggregate
>of unknown strength are simply not permitted.
>
>(The "plastic wood" another person mentioned is _not_ a structural material.
>You can see it in park benches and some playground equipment, but not in
>home construction).
>
The appropriate response, Bear, is that they need testing, not outright
"it won't work". There are, of course, standard ASTM (sorry, I forget the
new name, NIST?) standards & tests for new materials. 

As an example, I worked as a lab tech in the late-60's/early 70's, at a
research lab. We did work with fly ash from the city incinerator. According
to the ASTM tests, our cement made with it was stronger than Portland
cement. Aggregate made with it met or exceeded all standards for general
use, for things like roads, buildings, etc. My boss tried to interest the
US gov't in putting up a building at a World's Fair, built completely from
recycled materials like this. Dear old Tricky Dick & the Republicans (catchy
name for a group, no?) didn't like the idea. The big trick is overcoming the
"But we've never *done* it that way!!!" response.

	mark, the recycled hippy
From: puc@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bernard Puc)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Why the Cross?
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:57:00 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC-Laboratory for Astronomy and Solar Physics
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

> 
>One other point, something that always seemed odd to me:  there is so much
>emphasis upon the death of Jesus, but little on the truly big event, his
>resurrection 3 days later.  That, to me, seemed the biggest, most important
>event in the life of this prophet, yet in many contemporary re-tellings of
>the tale, this point is most decidely ignored.  Commentary?
> 
> 
What contemporary retellings are you referring to?  Xians celebrate Easter
which is on the day of resurresction.  That's a 'bigger' holiday than
Good Friday when the crucifying takes place.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Faggots and witches (again)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:00:23 GMT

ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley) writes:


>-Not- wanting to jump into the wordbattle, which
>is a huge waste of time...

>A big part of my objection to the arguments 
>presented here is the rather cavalier assumption
>that since the histories cited for "faggot"
>are false, well, then, the claim that the Burn
>murdered Queers along with Witches must also
>be false.

>This is like trying to deny us the right to 
>use pink triangles by claiming that Hitler
>didn't kill any Queers either.

>For more on Queer victims of the Burn, see
>Arthur Evans, _Witchcraft and the Gay Counterculture_.

Exactly who has claimed that Queerfolk weren't burned in the Inquisition's
flames?  I've been following this thread and have seen *noone* claim that.
The one thing we've been sceptical about is the claim that Queerfolk were
burned as fuel for burning witches.  I think you're misreading things--maybe
you're just a wee bit too eager to find homophobia everywhere.  I'm quite
Queer, and I was one of the people who expressed scepticism of the claim
about faggots meaning Queerfolk burned as fuel.  Are you going to say I'm a
phobe because I don't agree with you?

Enjoy the journey!
                      --Br'anArthur
                                      Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
"We are secretly replacing the fine quartz crystals this medicine pouch maker
usually uses with Folgers crystals.  Let's see what happens...."
                                      --DACCrowell
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:42:15 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Oh, why not join this happy mutual grilling?

One item that keeps popping up in this thread is the idea of
getting cheap, clean electricity from orbiting power satellites.

Not to be a spoilsport, but . . .

What power density is necessary to transfer, say, 25% of North
America's power needs from orbiting satellites to Earth-based
power receivers?

What frequencies are most efficient for power transfers from 
orbit to the Earth's surface?

How much microwave radiation does that expose people to?

How does that compare with current microwave exposure levels?

Based on our current understanding of the effects of microwave
radiation on human beings, what health hazards would this pose?

What level of health hazard would you consider acceptable?

				- - Steve

--
Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival,
April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage)
Subject: Re: I'm a hypocrite (Was Re: VAMPIRES ARE FOR FAGS!)
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:57:36 GMT

mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:

>dicanoxes (watanabe@orion.oac.uci.edu) wrote:
>: William B. Andrews babbles..
>: 
>: > I will gladly invite a REAL vampire to come and grant unto me this GIFT.
>: > Preferable an attractive one of the female variety :).
>: 
>: Carl Mackin doesnt do much better:
>: 
>: > I would love to receive the "DARK GIFT".  My ambitions would be 
>: > close to, if not the same as, Lestat.
>: > I find truth in his character.
>: 
>: 
>: die, both of you
>: --
>: Stub

>Oh great Stub,
>(How did you get that name, anyway... one could only guess!)
>That was my wish.  I gladly would do so.  AND, if I were to
>come back, you are the type of person I would feed upon!!!
>Mac


The "DARK GIFT", is that like a bottle of Guiness Stout?  BLECK
On the other hand a "DARK GIFT" of Wild Turkey would be greatly
appreciated here also.


=====================================================================
Dan Ramage
ramage@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu
"Today is yesterdays tomorrow."


Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Re: Witching Hour sequel?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:42:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.235740.3649@nic.csu.net> beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner) writes:
>Path: news.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel!rat!koko.csustan.edu!nic.csu.net!nermal.SantaRosa.Edu!beth
>From: beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner)
>Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
>Subject: Re: Witching Hour sequel?
>Message-ID: <1992Dec27.235740.3649@nic.csu.net>
>Date: 28 Dec 92 07:57:40 GMT
>References: <forb0004.175.725527333@student.tc.umn.edu>
>Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA
>Lines: 15
>Nntp-Posting-Host: nermal.santarosa.edu
>>     Anne writes the sequel to _The Witching Hour_ and the script for the 
>>     film based on _Interview With the Vampire_
>>
>>I've heard about the movie- can't wait- but don't remember anything about 
>>the sequel to _The Witching Hour_. It's not in local bookstores yet, though 
>>I haven't checked Books In Print. I recently finished _WH_ and am filled 
>>with questions...
>
>Well, it's not due out for another year, according to everything I've heard. 
>_The Tale of the Body Thief_ just hit the stands a couple of months ago, so
>it'll tide all the Rice fans over for a little while.
>
>I HATED the ending to WH. I was much happier when I found out she wrote it
>that way so there'd be a sequel.  Except for the ending, I think WH is my
>favorite Rice book.


I was pretty upset with the ending, too. If nothing else, Rice isn't  
being very kind to women; all Lasher had to do was give Rowan a good blow 
job and tell a few nice lies, and she was captivated! Rowan was described as 
a self- possessed, willful woman, not the type to be easily bent to some 
spooks will-- perhaps some type of possession was involved. Rowan describes 
Lasher as surrounding her, and never leaving her (though his presence may 
not be noticeable), and a genetic link is probably also active. 

Still, when Lasher tried to kill Michael at the end, Rowan should have 
snapped out of it, at least temporarily. But then, Rowan's psychic sense had 
been completely twisted by Lasher; she didn't realize that Michael knew she 
was lying to him, so perhaps she's completely out of touch with the world.

I was wondering how Rice would deal with an evil spirit after describing an 
agnostic, existential world in the Vampire Chronicles; her description of 
these entities as an immortal dispersed cellular being was a stroke of 
genious. Here's an entirely new class of beings to write about, integrate 
into her vampire and mummy books. 

Aaron several times mentions that other "monsters" have tried to enter our 
world via some gateway, but I don't remember any descriptions of these 
attempts. Did anyone catch this?

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu
From: metraton@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: points to ponder
Keywords: facetious, pointless, drivel
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:10:33 PST
Reply-To: metraton@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us





      The following are some things to think about concerning The Thirsty 
  Undead. They are intended as rhetorical questions, but we all know there's
  no such thing on the nets.

    1.) What is it about sunlight that hurts vampires? Why doesn't the light
  reflected from the moon bother them? Or the stars; isn't the sun a star?
  Or tanning booths? Do oranges bother them too? Maybe only Florida ones?

    2.) When in bat form, can vampires spread rabies?

    3.) Can they turn into golden retrievers or does it HAVE to be wolves?

    4.) Let's say a famous rock star (we'll call him "Sting") is a vampire.
  Suppose he's being interviewed on MTV and Kurt Loder is asking him things
  like "So why do you only come out at night, and what's the deal with 
  drinking your goupies' precious bodily fluids?" "Sting", realizing the 
  game is up, lunges forward and rips Kurt Loder's throat out with his fangs.
  HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA! Wouldn't that be GREAT?

    5.) Supposing Michael Jackson is a vampire. It would explain a lot, 
  wouldn't it?

    6.) Come to think of it, ever seen Dick Clarke in the daytime?
                  
    7.) Can a vampire watch one of those cable religious channels without 
  bursting into flame?

    8.) Can you?

    9.) Can anyone?

   10.) The human body is 98 percent water. If a priest blessed you, would
  then be 98 percent holy water, certain death to any bloodsucker?

   11.) Let's assume that a vampire has a similar liquid-to-solid ratio. If 
  one sneezes, and a priest says to her, "Bless you," what would happen? 
  Would she just...explode? Or what?
      
   12.) Do they REALLY say "I vant to suck your blood, blah blah blah." Well,
  why not?

   13.) Why doesn't The Count on SESAME STREET ever slake his evil thirst? Is
  it the same reason Barney doesn't chow down on those little singing mammals 
  that constantly surround him?
 ****************************************************************************

    And now, for those of you who don't like to dwell on things...
                             THE ANSWERS

    1) It's the sheer CHEERFULNESS in sunlight they don't like. They're a 
    cynical bunch. They like BLOOD oranges, though. (Get it?)

    2) No.

    3) Nope.

    4) Sure would!

    5) YYYYYYYYYYYYEP....

    6) Why, no, now that you mention it...

    7) I think not.

    8) (Group discussion question.)

    9) (Ditto.)

    10) Sure. You try it first.

    11) KA-BLOOEY!

    12) That'd be stupid.

    13) It's a PBS thing. You know.


    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
      And what are you looking for down here?
      -Lord Byron
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    metraton@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



      ......................... ... ...-....1200 N81N         ....-- 

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: chavis@thumper..bellcore.com (Dennis Chavis)
Subject: TEST
Summary: test
Reply-To: chavis@thumper.UUCP (Dennis Chavis)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:50:43 GMT

Please ignore this, this is a test.
From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Rice: Vampires and Mummies
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:10:00 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

midori meech baer (mab7g@Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: just began the anne rice books and am loving every minute of
: them.  am devouring them at the speed of light.  therefore am
: neglecting schoolwork.  rice is worth it.
: 
: question:  what happened to armand?  he's my favorite and i am
: sad that claudia died.-- i am only on book two.
: 
: meech

Where are you that you are asking about Armand?  What happened that 
you are asking about him?

Mac