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From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Where is everybody...
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:42:03 GMT


I also have been dreaming about getting a new printer to replace my
ImageWriter. I've been investigating (relatively) low cost laser printers.
I've been talking about it with people on AOL, CIS and GEnie, and had an
hour long conversation with Bill Heineman the other day. Bill wrote the set
of print drivers that are sold by Vitesse as Harmonie.

What I've found out so far is that there are at least 10 laser printers that
you can connect to a IIGS, using Harmonie or Seven Hill's Independance. The
most expensive one is HP's LaserJet IIIp, and that has a street price of
about $1000. The lowest cost one is the Epson Action Laser II, with a street
price of just a little less that $700.

Many of the low cost lasers have both a serial and parallel port. Soon,
Express v2.0 (won't be released for another month or 3) will support print
spooling with a parallel card; it doesn;t today. I mention that beause
Parallel ports are faster. All of the printers are HP IIP clones. And, they
all work with Pointless. To me, it sure sounds as if all of them are
plug-n-print if using GS/OS. To be honest, I'm still not clear on ProDOS 8
printing. There is a shareware soft-font downloader by John Majka that lets
you download fonts to the printer for P8 printing, but I've had people tell
me that they just use the built in default fonts with programs like AW, as
it's just easier. I hope to get more info on P8 printing. Also, NAUG has the
LaserJet disk that includes a Seg.ER replacement file for AW, so that
there's no complicated custom printer set up required from AW. I still need
to understand how it all works, if say, you want to print from something
like ProTerm.

It just so happens that I was in a magazine store the other day, and picked
up a magazine I;d never heard of before...PC Sources. The September, 1992
issue has a major article on all 10 of these HP IIP clones, and it's very
informative. It only costs $1.95. Pick it up, and you'll learn a lot.

I'm going crazy trying to decide what to buy. The Epson Action Laser II or
the HP IIP+. I've been asking question after question on the online services
and it sure seems that IIGS owners who have both the HP IIP and the Epson
love them. The Epson also has FX and LQ emulation, so I presume that makes
P8 printing pretty easy.

I'll let you all know what else I find out.

OTOH, if anyone can explain to me about ProDOS 8 and lasers, I'd sure
appreciate it. I do all my writing in AW v3.0, but am willing to switch to
GS/OS for printing, if that's what it'll take.

Oh...one last thing...Burger Bill says that having any more than 2 megs of
printer RAM is overkill for 8.5 x 11" printing, and that no more than 3 megs
for legal size printing. He also emphasized ow important having GS RAM is.
He even suggested that I get rid of my RAM5 so that I had a full 4 megs.

It's been a real education so far. But, there are still big gaps in my
knowledge.

Joe Kohn
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From: david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
Subject: Re: Can a //c talk appletalk??
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:49:20 GMT

toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:
>Some of the //c ROMs did have preliminary support for AppleTalk, however the
>hardware was never implemented and I'm not sure if the ROM support was ever
>finished. The problem with doing AppleTalk on the //c hinged primarily on the
>fact that the serial ports would have to be changed from a pair of super-serial
>card compatible 6551's to a single 8530 SCC (the serial port chip used by the
>IIgs, the Mac, the NeXT, Sun's workstations, and others).

Looking at the 3.5 //c ROM listings it appears that Apple were going to provide
an external box with an 8530 in it but this would then plug into one of the
6551 serial ports to actually get information into the //c. At a guess, a
65c02 + RAM + ROM + 8530 + glue + RS-232 drivers + power supply would have
been required in this box.
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From: chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: Re: MODZap fiasco?
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:21:49 GMT

: general and MODZap in particular.  Unfortunately, all of 1 person told me they
: liked the program (big kudos to Steve Bilgrien if you read this feed) as 
: opposed to the 15 or 20 mails I got condemming it as a "piece of shit" and
: "the worst thing I've ever had the displeasure to use on my GS".  Therefore,
: the nays have it and I'm no longer developing MODZap, and have scaled back
: work on other IIgs stuff in favor of my 486.  (note that I personally am 
: running MODZap 0.85 which is pretty cool, but nobody else will ever see it 
: after the fiasco).


Ian....did anyone ever tell you that you are a big baby? ;-)
Catch 'ya on IRC.

Amrit

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From: lchavas@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU (Linda Catherine Havas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Death Of A IIc
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:10:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: csd4.9209291910.AA21439

It is with great regret that I inform you all of the passing of
my IIc. It died quietly and without pain (except to me, as I
was working on something at the time). 

I know you will get this note because i am sending it to you on an 
IBM3151........too bad that my lifeless IIc can't perform anymore.

I now have my eyes on a slightly used GS....what's the going
rate for a like-new system with loads of software, mouse, 
two 3.5 drives, one 5.25 drive? Any information would be 
appreciated!!    

PS...I accept no responsibility for that IBM comment above,
     my friend put it in there and he's got an IBM attitude.

Linda Havas      -----------------> lchavas@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: develop CD
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:49:56 PST
Organization: BBS

Someone please reply soon!!  I need the info bad...

1. What is develop cd's applelink address?

2. Will HyperCard GS be included in the cd?

3. Is ShoeBox's ( SevenHills ) Hypercard GS complete?

I want HCGS 'cause I like its icon editor.  SevenHills' special offer expires
the 31st and I want to get ShoeBox if HCGS will not be on the cd.

Thanx in advance.

frank m. lin
fmlin@terapin.com
cyprus systems
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca/C Bug?!?!
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:43:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz) writes:

>I've got a question on a small bug in my version of Orca/C (v1.2).

>I cannot seem to get longint variables to work and/or store values over
>16384. As an example, this program (typing from memory):

>	int i;
>	longint j;

>	for(i = 0; i <= 15; i++) printf("i=%10d\n",1 << i);

>yields as output:

>	     1
>	     2
>	     4
>	.
>	.
>	.
>	 16384
>	-32767

>Any ideas on what's wrong?

  This is correct behavior.  The largest possible _int_ is 32767.  
_int_ in C is a signed value.  The next number in the sequence is 32768,
thus an overflow condition occurs.  Changing this to :

> unsigned int i;
>	for(i = 0; i <= 15; i++) printf("i=%10u\n",1 << i);

  Will produce the results you're after.

  And, as Paul mentioned in his post, if you use a long variable you
must printf it with
printf("i=%10ul\n",..) the 'l' meaning that it's a long value.
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From: schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Sound Cards, etc.
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:01:28 GMT

Someone e-mailed me the other day and mentioned that
the SonicBlaster card from AE is no longer being made.
Is this true? I've been thinking of getting a sound
card and was thinking of waiting for the new card by
ECON to come out before I decide on what to buy.  But,
if the supply of SonicBlaster cards is getting low I 
may buy one of these "while quantities last" :-)

What are some opinions on sound cards.

I am not a MIDI type of person. I just want a card that
will produce good sound and also (but not necessary) the
ability to digitize sounds. The SonicBlaster seems to be
the appropriate card (...I know ALL about AE so no flaming
necessary where they are concerned!)

Thanks in advance,

Paul Schultz
schultp@wl.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: George Gilchrist <gilchgw@zoology.washington.edu
Subject: appleII to pc-dos file transfer?
Keywords: dos, file, utilities
Reply-To: George Gilchrist <gilchgw@zoology.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:37:42 GMT

I'm not an Apple II user, so I need some advice. I've been asked if there is  
any way to transfer text files from an Apple II to a MS-DOS machine. I tried  
sticking an Apple II disk in the pc, but no dice.  Any advice would be much  
appreciated. 
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca/C Function Call Disasters
Keywords: Orca C
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:47:41 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd) writes:

>Well... I have a program written in ANSI C which does not run after being
>compiled under Orca/C.  I've already had to do some revisions to get it
>to compile in the first place.  But now I'm having strange stack problems:

>Here's a basic outline of the functions in question:

>void function1(...) {
>	.
>	.
>	x=function2();
>	.
>	.
>	while (...)
>		--(*wordary)= some expression (no function calls);
>	.
>	.
>	return x;
>}

>The problem is this: this routine crashes on exit.  Using strategically
>placed breakpoints, I found that the stack is in good condition immediately
>before the while loop, but during the while loop, stuff is being pulled
>off the stack -- including the return address from function1!!  Does this
>make sense?  Why is this happening?

  Porting the Unix rz/sz code I came across the following:

long a,b,c,d;

   a = (b = c = d) -1;
 
This code leaves some garbage values pushed on the stack.  Simplifying
the expression to:
  c = d; b = d; a = b-1;
got around the problem.

>Anyway, if anyone has seen this kind of behavior, let me know.

>BTW: I didn't write the program; it's a public domain utility that I'm
>trying to build on the IIGS.

  Not AFH, eh? :)


  Also beware of 
void function(void)

  The compiler has a tendency to generate incorrect epilogue code
(i.e., it tries to pull all sorts of data off the stack that isn't there,
upon function return).  This occurs randomly, and I've not been able
to reproduce it in little snippets.  More than likely it's the compiler
memory-trashing and buggering itself and/or output code.

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From: gleparc@pro-scat.cts.com (German Leparc)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Supra modems vs. USR modems
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:54:13 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.


  I heard a rumor that USR Sportsters are actually Dual Standards, all
you need to do is type in a special init string.. and Whammo! instant
Dual Standard.
 
                                --Mr.Cool--
/s
From: hl00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOU-SHENG LIN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: TransWarp IIgs Problems
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:48:35 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I seem to have the same problem here.  I have just recently purchased a second
hand Transwarp GS and since then, the system has been pretty flaky.
Occasionally the program would hang or crash.  Other times, the screen starts
going crazy and the only way to fix it was to turn off the machine.  As far
as I know, it seems to be a fairly old Transwarp, 1989 model I think.

My setup is fairly simple, a ROM 01 gs, 1.25 meg ram, and the Transwarp... any
ideas anyone??

-- 
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From: henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
Subject: GS HD backup program
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:43:17 GMT


Hi,

what backup programs are available for the GS to backup a HD?

What do you use?


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From: power@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Russ Woodroofe)
Subject: A2
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 00:29:58 GMT

	There's a new Apple // bbs in the Ann Arbour area: the A2 Alliance
bbs.  It's in Saline (a small town just outside of Ann Arbor, local to
Ann Arbor, if you're there), and since it's just starting up, the hours
are 11pm-6am, EST.  Give it a call!  The number is 944-0415.  See you on
there!

                                                   The Power
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From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: Resurrection!!!!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:50:32 GMT

[stuff about requiring a harddisk/accelerator]

Dude, please post in lines of 79 columns or less...this really looked bad on
my screen (and probably a large majority of other people on this group.

As for your actual argument, I develop quite well with 1 3.5" floppy, a
1600k /RAM5, and a ZipGSX.  As you may expect, I consider the accelerator
to be essential and the harddisk to be a useless toy... 

(flames to jamesb@cscih...oh, sorry, /dev/null ;-)


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From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: genie vs. aol
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:05:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20898
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

For my part, I've been on AOL for a couple of years, and although it's a
good service, it does seem to be somewhat stagnant.  I've looked into
Genie, but we have a problem up here in the Great White North, lack of
access.  There's only three lines we can use, and none of them are near
Minot, which creates somewhat large long distance bills.  That seems to
be (at least from my prespective) the biggest hangup with Genie, lack of
local lines.
From: mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (M. W. Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: >Colorful snow
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:29:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Don't know if this will help, but I had a similar problem a while back.
I'm not sure I remember right but I think I had somehow got the 
system 5.0.4 finder icons copied into my (newly installed) system 6
icon folder, overwriting the system 6 icons.  :-(
I think I had to empty the folder and then reinstall the icons...
So... You might try reinstalling your finder icons from a backup.
Hope this helps.




-- 

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                                            AppleII forever!
From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Supra modems vs. USR modems
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:02:44 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <JDVXRB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> slhood@bluemoon.rn.com (Stephen L. Hood) writes:
>
>        I've been on the verge of purchasing the Supra v.32bis FAX modem 
>for $279 for about a month now.  However, an experienced friend 
>recommended the USR Sportster modem instead.  His justification for the 
>extra cost:  quality.  He informs me that the Supras use a lower quality 
>chip set that is not as widely supported.
>        I trust this information highly, but I am curious what actual 
>application it has to the modem's performance.  I would be interested to 
>hear reports from Supra v.32bis or v.32bis FAX owners about reliability, 
>durability, and compatibility.  I would naturally like to avoid paying an 
>extra $80 just to avoid a certain chip set.
>
>Thanks!
>

I am using a Supra, and I'm satisfied with it. There *are* a couple of
problems, which (to me) are not serious. Anyway, the latest ROM
(according to Supra) should fix them.
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From: posty@socs.uts.edu.au (Andrew Roughan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Transwarp upgrade q's (repost)
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:19:33 GMT
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.

I am currently writing an article on upgrading Transwarp GS boards. I need
answers to the following questions:

If there were any replies to these questions last time, my site never received
them. To be sure this time, could any respondees please email the replies to
me and I'll correlate them and repost to c.s.a2.

GALs
The batch of messages that Brian Tao posted about this upgrade process,
mentioned a faster GAL set (available from AE via LRO).
Has anyone purchased this set yet?
If so, what are the GAL chip numbers?
At what speed (Mhz) do you need to purchase the new GALs?
Will purchasing the faster GALs give any performance increase with my current
processor (12.5Mhz)?

SRAMs.
Can anyone tell me what speed the SRAMs are on the 32k cache upgrade?
I would pull mine off and have a look, but it doesn't want to budge and I
don't want to break it.
What is the maximum speed (Mhz) that these chips cope with?
Will purchasing faster SRAMs give any performance increase with my current
processor (12.5Mhz)?

Sanyo chips.
The Sanyo chips have been alternatively described as '14Mhz' and 'engineering
parts'. My chip came with a shmoo plot that suggests that 12.8Mhz is the
maximum speed that my chip will perform at 5 volts. So I presume that the
Sanyo chips are 'engineering parts' rather than a definative 14Mhz.
What is the REAL story?

TTL Oscillators.
There is a firm over here that offers to make any speed oscillator I want.
The cost is (Aus)$21 each. The firm seems to be a franchise of Fox Electronics,
based in the US. If anyone needs special speed oscillators, may I suggest
you try Fox locally?

Regards,
Andrew

Ps: how good is 1000 dhrystones/sec? (eg good, v.good, excellent)


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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca/C Function Call Disasters
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:55:43 GMT

Okay, here's the update:

I've done more strategic breakpointing, and found this:

There are _two_ loops in the function in question.  The first is a for loop
and the second a while loop.  Both loops call a function

word next_word() {...}

which is used to manipulate a stack-type data structure.  The code is
correct, and returns the correct value.  However, Orca/C is creating some
DP space by taking it from the stack.  The problem is that it's storing
temporary values -- on top of actual stack data --, destroying a preserved
direct page from the calling routine.  When the next_word function exits,
it proceeds to clean up the stack, eliminating the scratch space PLUS
four extra bytes, thus eliminating the destroyed direct page.  The
function manages to return safely, but the stack has four bytes fewer on
it, the preserved DP is gone, and the return address is now in the wrong
place.

This is pretty annoying.  I've tried everything I can think of -- I've
even gone so far as to try changing the sizes of the incoming parameters,
but it doesn't help.

And, yes, the input and output parameters all match up size-wise.

Help! :)

- Eric S.

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