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From: lai@icbl.hw.ac.uk (Lai-Mui Ching)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:52:14 GMT
Organization: ICBL, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh

In article <920816175332.21601087@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU> SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>From the keyboard of c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au, who writes:
>
>>In article <920811183404.21415c40@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>>>......etc... 
>>dress properly', and had to wear the black robes that women over there wear.
>
>  I think you might be confusing decency with Laws. I could just as well
>  walk naked into a Church in the Vatican City and be told to go back and
>  dress properly. Accepted norms in one society does not mean that they will
>  be commonplace in another.  
>
>-- 
>Syed Shibli                          | +1 918 631 3257 (work)
>505 South Gary, #14, Tulsa, OK 74104 | sya%admin@tusun2.mcs.utulsa.edu

I agree totally with decency rule...dressing properly and sensibly should be 
the way...but...I'm not sure about covering my face with black/white/pink/..
robes,...from head to toe...?
Is this sort of dress code demanded of non-Muslims ? 
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From: sci10019@nusunix2.nus.sg (YU HONG WEY)
Subject: External Service
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:28:09 GMT

 Any Singaporeans out there who are in support of an external service
 (radio broadcast) from SBC please drop me a mail and tell me your
 views. I'd written a letter of proposal to the Prime Minister and got a
 reply from the Ministry of Arts and Information that SBC will start one
 to South-East Asia very soon. As yet, I've not heard any news from
 them. I wonder if they are still carrying on with it.

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From: ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong)
Subject: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:18:39 GMT

Hi. I just read several AP and UPI and Reuters reports announcing reductions
on airfares to several Asian destinations on Northwest Airlines.

According to these articles:

- prices reduced from 38% to 47% off "supersaver prices".
- destinations are Bangkok, Beijing, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore and Taipei.
- valid originating points are all 50 states in the US and Toronto, Montreal
  and Winnipeg in Canada.
- there is a change or cancellation fee of US$200.
- minimum stay: 6 days. maximum stay: 21 days.
- fares available for purchase: Aug 15 to Sep 8.
- fares valid for travel: Sep 18 to Dec 7 or Jan 11 to Feb 15
                          (starts Sep 28 for travel from Canada)
                          (travel to Beijing and Shanghai must be Jan11-Feb15)
                          [I'd ask the airline to be sure]

The reports gave some sample airfares:
    roundtrip Chicago-Seoul: US$798
    roundtrip New York-Bangkok: US$858
    roundtrip Los Angeles-Taipei: US$598


A United Airlines spokesman said they would "remain competitive".


--jc
ong@cs.columbia.edu
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:21:59 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
X-Unparseable-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18: 21:53 -0500 (CDT)


From the keyboard of Teck Loh, who writes:

>In article <199208142135.AA07705@admin.keh.utulsa.edu> sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>>
>>  It's difficult, if almost impossible, to eliminate bribery. You
>>  can bride everyone from the Highest Judge to the lowst peon, and
>>  yet everyone would still think that the problem doesn't exist. The
>>  best solution would probably be genocide.
>>
>Since we may even able to bribe the highest judge, can we actually trust the
>legal system in our country? 

  Are you trying to bribe me for an answer? (: Just kidding.
  The truth is, looking at the big picture, there is not much
  any individual can do about their country's Judicial System.
  Change would require some sort of collective effort on the part
  of the "abused."

>What happen if someone is found guilty and has
>his/her hand "potong" and later found that he/she is innocent? Does this law
>also apply to 12 year old kids? How does this law work? Does this law punishes
>people who is corrupt or people who discriminate against other human beings?
>It will be nice if someone can clarify.

  I hope you can sustain this curiosity and read many references to
  Islamic Law before asking questions like these on the network. Yes,
  Islam has laws against discrimination, and yes, Islam prohibits
  corruption. Twelve year old kids aren't adults, so they wouldn't be
  tried as one. Your naivette astounds me. 

-- 
Syed Shibli                          | +1 918 631 3257 (work)
505 South Gary, #14, Tulsa, OK 74104 | sya%admin@tusun2.mcs.utulsa.edu
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Subject: Shoping in Singapore
From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 04:03:10 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Hi!
Can anybody provide me the time for shoping in Singapore. I mean what time
usually shops open and close?.
Thanks
Altaf
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Bosnia: Another Spain? (The need for urgent Muslim Action )
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:53:19 GMT


One Mr Zfar Minhas sent the above request to following newsgroups:

    soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.afghanistan,
    soc.culture.bangladesh, soc.culture.india, soc.culture.asean,
    soc.culture.yugoslavia, soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.african


>>In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Benificent
>>
>>Assalamu'alaikum:
>>The war in Bosnia rages on. Tens of thousands of Muslims have been
  ( long winding message deleted ...)
>>we live in to do more for the Muslims in Bosnia. 
>>A few suggestions for possible actions are:
>>
>>   1)   Send donations for Bonsia to any major Islamic Organization in 
>>        the U.S.  ICNA and ISNA are among the many organizations who are
>>        trying to gather funds for Bosnia.
>>   AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
>>
>>   6)   Remember your Brothers and Sisters in Bosnia (and in other parts of 
>>        the world like Kashmir , Algeria, Somalia and Burma ) in your prayers

( The situation in Bosnia is really very very bad and unimaginable
brutality has been done by both sides on innocents citizens belonging 
to other side of ethnic devide.) 

Though above steps may help, but, I think, muslim "brothers" in Bosnia will 
be better served by sending 200,000 soldiers from country like Pakistan- a 
great islamic power that maintains over 800,000 muslim soldiers and reserves.
I am sure that 200,000 muslim soldiers should be sufficient to defeat an 
army of just about 40,000 to 50,000 serbian army of christian "brothers".
Condemining serbian agression is not sufficeint.

What is the use of maintaining such a big muslim army, if muslim "brothers" 
are sufferring terrible brutality in the hands of non-muslims "brothers".
Please write to  prime minister and presidents of Pakistan to send
army to fight in Bosnia and save the life of muslim "brothers".

No flame please. 

regards,

bkumar alias b. khan
From: koay@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jin S. Koay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: open letter/Dwight/apologies
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:55:17 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


Dwight,

	go demand an apology from each of the followings:

		1. josef stalin
		2. saddam hussein
		3. idi amin (sp?)
		4. adolf hitler
		5. mao zhidong
		6. alexandra the great
		7. chenghis khan
		8. julious ceaser
		9. peter the great
		10. etc., etc......
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:48:36 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <920817152656.21602b19@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   I meant to refer to those degrees accredited by the Government and
>   also professional engineering bodies. 

A couple of years ago, someone got a memo from one of the stat. boards
in Singapore.  Apparently, there exist at least 3 categories of universities:

Category 1:  Graduates from such universities are highly desirable
~~~~~~~~~~
Category 2:  Graduates from these universities would be considered for
~~~~~~~~~~   recruitment if they show good performance/results.

Category 3:  Where possible, graduates from such universities should not
~~~~~~~~~~   be considered.

Incidentally, all universities under all 3 categories are under the
Public Service Commision's list of "recognised" universities.

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From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Weather forecast
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:34:04 GMT

Why do they bother with the weather forecast if all they can predict
is "hujan di-sana sini" (there will be sporadic rainfall) ?


-Num
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong)
Subject: Re: Radon and Lung Cancer
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:55:17 GMT

In article <9208052201.AA09796@ceas3.keh.utulsa.edu> sya@ceas3.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>From the keyboard of poli2031@waikato.ac.nz, who writes:
>
>> The plant is at Bukit Merah as I believe, the suburb outside Ipoh.  The toxic
>> waste were not disposed off in a proper manner - that is the contractors were
>> not told of the dangers.  People coming into contact with the waste have
>> suffered and the High Court hearing in Ipoh back in the mid-eighties till 1988
>
>  I wonder if you could present more facts about those who "have suffered."
>  Was it lung cancer? If the local contractors were not told of the dangers of
>  radon poisoning, then I guess a lot more people would have to be responsible 
>  for the toxic contamination.

I was in Singapore when the news broke, and read about it in the Singapore
Straits Times. I recall reading about higher than normal cases of leukemia
among the village children. I also recall that under the regulatory
requirements, the plant was supposed to transport the toxic wastes (or
byproducts?) to a dump site within a number of days after production,
but ended up storing them on-site instead, leading to the high levels of
radioactivity. 

If so, the plant can operate safely if they abide by the
laws and regulations. This is provided the environmental
assessment was properly done by the authorities in the first 
place.

Someone please correct me if my memory is faulty!


--jc

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tiakjung@longan.iss.nus.sg (Chng Tiak Jung)
Subject: Looking for a friend
Reply-To: tiakjung@iss.nus.sg
Organization: ISS Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:21:03 GMT

I am looking of a friend who supposed to be doing research in IBM. His name
is Thio Hsiao Choong. Anyone know his email address?

Tiak Jung
-- 
Chng Tiak-Jung                               Internet: tiakjung@iss.nus.sg
Institute of Systems Science                           Phone: +65 772-6382
National University of Singapore                         FAX: +65 778-2571
Singapore 0511                       BITNET: ISSCTJ@NUSVM, CHNGTJ@NUSDISCS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tchristen01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Hockey: Asian contact
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:21:48 GMT

The following message has been crossed posted from newgroup:
rec.sport.hockey.field.  Perhaps there is some reader of 
soc.culture.asean who would be willing to provide scores and
information about an upcoming Junior World Cup - Asian 
Qualifying Tournament to be held in Kuala Lumpur in Sept 1992.

		ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: tchristen01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Junior Tournaments in 1992
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:25:32 +0900
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

Fellow hockey enthusiastics,

Given the greater enthusiasm, frequency of posting and cooperation
shown for the Net during the Olympics, it would seem a pity to lose
this involvement and interest.  Perhaps one way of maintaining this
momentum is to focus interest on other international and major hockey
tournaments, and report the results, tables and comments as we have
done for the Olympic hockey tournament.

I understand that the remainder of the year will be a busy one for
National Junior players (Under 21's), as these tournaments are about
to begin;

7th European Cup for Juniors
	Junior Mens tournament 22 - 30th August, Amsterdam
	Junior Womens tournament 30 Aug - 6 Sept, Edinburgh

Junior World Cup - Asian Qualifying Tournament
	Junior Mens tournament September, Kuala Lumpur

Junior World Cup - Oceania Qualifying Tournament
	Combined Mens & Womens 29 Nov - 6 Dec, Auckland

Perhaps some of our European friends wouldn't mind posting information
about the European Cup, possibly Richard in Edinburgh and Joris in
Amsterdam but others would be helpful.

Does anyone have a contact in Kuala Lumpur that we can suggest?

I am happy to post information about the Oceania Qualifying Tournament,
but some help from our Kiwi, particularly Auckland friends would be 
valuable.

Well, what are the feelings of those who read the net?  Interested in
junior hockey results?

Regards
Steven Christensen
School of Psychology, 
Curtin University of Technology,
Perth, Western Australia.

Internet:	TCHRISTEN01@cc.curtin.edu.au
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:49:31 GMT

TAN GIM WEE "He wanted it, he dreamed of it, he hankered after it,
as an addict after his opiate" writes:

> Don't remember the guy mentioning anything about a time-machine.
> this 'Numero Uno' guy is a Rip Van Winkle type...

Them were the good old days, but things do change.  The only question
is that since things in Singapore are deteriorating so quickly, will
the Singaporeans adapt quickly enough?

	I used to see many of them - now there do not appear to
	be many anymore - old women in their faded black long-
	sleeved cotton blouses and loose pants, sitting patiently
	behind little wooden trestles on which they had set up
	their wares - small bottles of sweets, packets of dried
	ginger and plums, cigarettes in loose sticks of five and
	six stuck in a little tin.  And there was the inevitable
	lit joss-stick standing in a tin in front of the meagre
	wares, a reminder to the gods that they were to be kind
	to these old women and give them good business...

				"The Chosen One", Catherine Lim


> this is just another one of those dumb attempts ... to deride
> Southeast Asians.                   

Nyah, only them Singaporeans.


-Num, "Smileys not included."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)
Subject: Hey, Malaysians!!
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:02:20 GMT


Hi, I'm a malaysian that has migrated here in Australia.  I was
wondering if there were any Malaysians (still living in Malaysia) who
would care to be my pen pal.

Anyway, does Malaysia have this net??

CYa!!

PLEASE email me
skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au

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From: lulu@chekov.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:40:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asean
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <Bt39J4.1MJ@cs.columbia.edu> ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong) writes:
>Hi. I just read several AP and UPI and Reuters reports announcing reductions
>on airfares to several Asian destinations on Northwest Airlines.
>
> [restrictions deleted]
>
>The reports gave some sample airfares:
>    roundtrip Chicago-Seoul: US$798
>    roundtrip New York-Bangkok: US$858
>    roundtrip Los Angeles-Taipei: US$598

I don't know about the prices for the first two, but the roundtrip
ticket between LA-Taipei has been around $600 for years, except for
over the summer months, where it's usually around the $800 range.
I bought four round-trip tickets between LAX-TPE leaving mid-June
and returning mid-July of this year, and it's only about $720 each
on Malaysia Airlines.  I called a number of places, and Malaysia
Airlines was the least expensive ticket I could find (China Airlines
was the most expensive).  I was told that prices for non-summer
months are usually about $200 less.

			- David
-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:57:41 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <920816202020.216010fd@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   A degree is a degree is a degree, regardless the University attended.
>   I believe most, if not all, companies and Government institutions in
>   Malaysia offer the same salaries to graduates of any foreign University.

No necessarily the case.  Engineering degrees from certain universities, 
for example are not recognised by the Professional Engineering Board.

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From: nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:45:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug18.075412.516@news.acns.nwu.edu>, staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes...

>In article <16q8o9INN1o3@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim) writes:
>>	Stay away from Northwest or "Northworst" as I have learned from my 
>>	horrid experience I had a year ago in going to Seoul.  The flight 
>>	was actually quite pleasant.  However, everything that was not 
>>
>>	The moral of this post is STAY AWAY FROM NORTHWORST!
> 
>Gee...I am doing NYC-Tokyo, the Tokyp-Beijing, then Hong Kong-Tokyo
>starting tomorrow.  First class with FF miles.  I'll let you know how
>good or bad it was when I get back.
> 
>--Ken
I recently traveled to Hong Kong via Tokyo, then back via Seoul  on Northwest.
No problems, whatsoever.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Re: Indonesia bans 2 foreign journals
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:19:21 GMT

In article <77663@ut-emx.uucp>, victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (V Menayang) writes:
|> In article <4900020@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) writes:
|> >"Indonesia suspends sale of 2 foreign journals.
|> >
|> .
|> >
|> >The two foreign newspapers had last month run an advertisement from DHL 
|> >International, a worldwide courier company, featuring the pictures of President
|> >Suharto, South Korean President Roh Tae Woo, Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri
|> >Mahathir Mohamad, and Singaporean Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong along with an
|> >employee of DHL in the same frame.
|> >
|> .
|> >Meanwhile, the Journal said it would run a firm's apology to Indonesian in the
|> >hope of ending a ban on the newspaper."
|> >
|> >This is incredible. What if the photo is real ? 
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> So what, they still have to have a permission to put someone's
|> face in an ad, don't they?  But, I would send a lawyer
|> to Singapore to teach DHL some lessons about copyright rather 
|> than ban the papers.
|> 
|> What do you suppose a president should get for endorsing
|> a product? :-)
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------
|> Victor Menayang                     victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
|> =============================================================


As far as I know, so long as a person is a public figure permission
isn't really needed. Witness all the photos of the British royal
family. It's not illegal but in bad taste. I suppose the ad had
more of an impact since it created controversy and more people
would know of DHL.
-- 

Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean

Hold on to your horses. It was just a thought from PM. It will only be looked
at seriously if the situation deteriorates. They want app 500 new recruits
a year, and found it hard to get them now. Maybe if they improve the pay or
regulations they can get more people to join.

Anyway, I will not be eligible because I am past my prime. So who cares ?
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