From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who cares
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:25:58 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> : > : > 
> : > : your analogy is fucked.  black people are not defensive about racism, a
> : > : they do not practice it.  they defend themselves against racism, a 
> : > : completely different thing.
> : > 
> : > Heh, heh. Right Ailsa. Tell me what would happen if I walked, by myself, 
> : > a bar in an inner city slum anywhere in the US. Do you think I could just
> : > walk in, join the people at the bar, order a drink and (when done) walk o
> : > No chance - I would be lucky to get out alive.
> : > 
> : > This is not "defending against racism" - it is the overt practice of raci
> : > The only difference is, I can understand why it occurs - after all the
> : > repression that many minority groups have been subjected to in the past,
> : > and are still subjected to (to varying extents) today.
> : > 
> : > But, just because there may be some justification, that does not make any
> : > such practice right.
> : > 
> : > Bill
> : 
> : maybe you shou8ld check your attitude then, or actually try it.  i hAVE 
> : done that, had no troubloe, definitely left alive.  difference: i LIVE in 
> : the slums.  i may be white, but i am still one of the family, as it were.
> : 
> : i think all this fear of black men is just another face of racism.
> 
> Re-read what you wrote above. Now tell me that racism does not exist among
> the people living in the slums. You are "one of the family", so you are not
> discriminated against. Racism is not only based on skin color.
> 
bill, i do not live in THOSE slums.  i live in maine slums.  to go into 
bars such as you talk about, i have to go to boston.  those people have 
never seen me before in their lives!  my point was, having lived in the 
slums, BEING a member of the grindingly poor ($327/mo ADC plus child 
support), i knjow how to act.  too many guys go into an unfamiliar 
situation aggressively, radiating attitude.  that doesn't go over too 
well in places where people don't want to have to DEAL with people being 
aggressively white, aggressively straight, aggressively male, etc.  when 
you go into a place where you KNOW that you are a member of the oppressor 
class, no matter which oppressor class it might  be, you be friendly, you 
be unassuming, you smile a lot.  you admit that there might be SOME place 
in the US that is NOT YOURS.  once people firgure out that you aren't 
just another strayt boy or whatever, you are fine.

but i reapeat my contention that all black men do not go around beating 
up and killing white men.  black men are in MUCH MORE DANGER from white 
men than the reverse.  look at crime statistics some time.  ever 
considered that black men walk together a lot for the same reason that 
women walk together a lot?  so that people won't mess with them?

                                    -ailsa

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com   or   io81409@maine.maine.edu
 
are you on fire         what will replace the rent with the stars above,
from the years,         replace the need with love,
what will you give      replace the anger with the tide,
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