From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.election,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: To the Clinton supporters
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:21:12 GMT
Organization: Quake Public Access

In article <BxC7ry.89n@beach.csulb.edu> sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:
>In article <BxAxtv.F2M@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe) writes:
>>In article <Bx9L5F.39I@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
>>>In article <Bx7KE9.wu@nic.umass.edu> csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:

>>>>How can we even talk about healing a nation, when we divide it by our 
>>>>words?

>>>When your words are "Your money or your life?" we are irrevocable at odds.
>>>If it's a choice between "healing" and robbery vs. division and justice,
>>>I'll chooce the division.  You are trying to use emotion to paper over
>>>the difference between justice and theft.  That doesn't cut it.

>>I agree, Brian.  Clinton has incredible audacity to speak of "healing"
>>the nation while he plunders one group of people ("the rich") to 
>>influence the voting of another ("the poor").

>  Gee, and here I thought this was just some 'turnabout is fair play'
>considering how segments of the rich have plundered the poor 

In just what ways do you think that the rich have plundered the poor?
The government is taking VAST amounts of money away from people who
EARNED it (rich, middle-class, and poor) and delivering it to people who have
not (either rich, poor, or middle-class).  If you think that allowing
people to make money and keep it is a kind of "plunder", I think you'll
have to explain just how it works before anyone is going to buy your
arguments aside from unthinking envy.

>and the
>middle class in terms of outrageous profits in drug and insurance
>businesses 

WHy should they not profit handsomely in return for making people well?
Would you suggest that drug and insurance companies be prohibited from
making big profits?  Who the hell are you to tell me how much I am allowed
to pay for my medical care anyway?

>and leveraged buyouts financed by favorable interest-oriented
>tax laws - heavily lobbied for - and the savings and loan debacle.

Favorable tax laws can't finance anything.  Favorable tax laws just allow
people to keep what is already theirs.  Of course, I would like to see
EVERYONE'S taxes lowered, but you seem to think that it is a crime to 
trade for profit without having government approval (and having the government
take a big chunk of the result).  Who the hell do you think you are anyway?
Emperor?

>>This bald-faced promotion of class conflict, combined with shrill 
>>rhetoric about "healing", is the epitome of hypocrisy.

>  If the conflict wasn't there in the first place there wouldn't be 
>anything to exploit. And occasionally, "healing" requires acknowledging
>and getting rid of the underlying disease first.

Which is?  It seems to me that the most important disease is that some people
think that they deserve to get the profits of the labor of others without
their permission, or to control the property of others without their 
permission.  The solution is not to meet in the middle, but for such people
to realize the kind of crime they are advocating.

--Brian
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