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From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Another Culturally Elite Idea
Date: 7 Nov 1992 11:19:58 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

The Republicans have been using the phrase "Culturally Elite" a lot
this last 6 months as a code-word for the liberal hollywood, liberal
media, and les/bi/gays.  Of course, the implication is that all of
hollywood and the media are h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-s.

Then Bush takes credit for not just ending the cold war, but winning
it.  In the presidential debates he kept saying that we wouldn't have
won if we had listened to "thooose nuuu'cleeeeer freeeeeeeezeeee
pea-pollllll".  A survey of Americans found that we think the winners
of the cold war was Japan and Germany.

Well, we could debate forever how much influence the pro-nuke and
anti-nuke people had in ending the cold war.  Certainly both sides
should take some credit as it was a "good-cop/bad-cop" play.  We could
debate forever who "won".

However...

However everytime I saw a picture of someone in the U.S.S.R. in the
last 3 years they were watching TV, eating an McDonalds Hamburger, or
riding rollerblades.  They were drinking Pepsi, listening to Heavy
Metal, or talking about an *American* celebrity.

I think what really bought the cold war to an end was the people of the
U.S.S.R. seeing all these American products and ideas and wanting to
get them too.  The Berlin Wall fell not for freedom, but so that people
go have access to shopping malls.

Durring the cold war, the black market could bring a VCR to a Russian
family.  The VCR would show them an American movie filled with American
culture.  They would watch American TV shows and their brains would
fill with American products and lifestyles.

So who ended the cold war?  Well maybe, just maybe, it was the people
behind the iron curtain seeing the Culturally Elite and wanting to be
just like them.

If anyone did the most to end the cold war, it was those
h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-s, liberal media types, and the people in the
ultra-evil hollywood.  It was, the culturally elite.

A hearty "THANK YOU" to all of... us... the "culturally elite".

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THIRD" is an anagram for "MANY VOTED, BUSH RETIRED!!!"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: soc
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:47:47 CST

Bob writes:
 
>
>Would someone arguing the anti-boycott case care to explain just why
>"business as usual" should prevail in CO without relying on the
>basically irrelevant fact that a successful boycott could hurt
>everyone in the state.


Well Bob,

I'll try.

First of all, it's not your states economy a boycott would mess with,
it's mine.  And I may be selfish, but I'd really like to stay employed.

Second, a boycott is going to hand CFV and other such organizations
more amunition in their fight to prove 'we' are not good for Colorado.
'We' just might threaten 'their' livelihoods and give them yet another
cause to hate us.

Third, a boycott is not going to hurt CFV or affect the business leaders
in any significant way.  It will not hurt everyone in the state, it
will hurt the poor, a lot of women, racial minorities, and the gay
community.  Every openly gay person here is going to have to wonder
when their job will be lost, because their 'community' is 'helping'
them by boycotting the company whose employing them.

Fourth, when we're all out of work, whose gonna help you when CFV or
OCA targets YOUR state?  And believe me, they will.

Now, I'm not much of a pacifist, and I'm quite willing to defend
my principles, but I've got enough of a brain to put my efforts
into things that at least have a chance of the results I want. I can't
see a boycott accomplishing anything besides a lot of hardship and
bad feelings.  And inflating egos of people who don't have to live
with the economic and emotional wreckage their actions cause.

In this age of family values, and xtians using their religions as
marketing stratgies, do we really expect for colorado to care if
we boycott?  Have we got enough support that colorado businesses would
even notice the impact? And can we assure that the fundies wouldn't be
able to use a boycott to their own advantage - specifically using the
buying power of their memberships against ours. Also, lets realize that
the fundies have considerably more money to use as bait; and that money
makes the world  (or at least business) go round.  Somehow I don't
think a straight business person is going to give a damn about gay
discrimination; they just want to make a profit.

Surely, with all the bright minds in this community, we can drop the
idealistic nonsense for a while, and come up with an effective response.

-maureen

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:56:48 GMT

jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll) writes:

>This year I went as Annie Lennox (in her early 80's stage).  I dyed my
>hair red and wore a suit and makeup.  I must have done a good job
>because when they found out I did my own makeup, about 10-15 women asked
>if I could do theirs!

I considered doing that! Only the goatee would ruin the effect.
So instead I just did girlwear (not exactly drag because no make-
up was involved and I didn't try to be any more womanly than
normal); borrowed a cute off-the-shoulder 'little black dress',
got me some black hose and black spike heels, frosted pink
press-ons (which didn't make the final cut because they were
too annoying to put on), and a black wig (I *LOVE* this wig!
First it looked vaguely winona ryder-esque, Then when I changed
back into my regular clothes I did a passable Emo Phillips.
If I had tights I would have been able to do Prince Valiant.
Faaaa-BOO!). I was smashing, but the strayt republikan tight-
asses just didn't appreciate it...

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Clinton outing?????
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:11:01 GMT


   I certainly missed something somewhere!  Gaynet Digest volumn - well
   let's just say the 4th one today -- had the briefest little ole post
   titled "Clinton outing" and just said "what's the point of doing this"

   Would someone inform poor lill old me what the hell is going on?

Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: CO2: Where the "Yes" men are...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:54:49 GMT


The following counties in Colorado voted "Yes" on CO2.
Adams               Delia               Lake            Phillips
Alamosa             Delores             Larimer         Prowers
Arapahoe            Douglas             Las Animas      Pueblo
Archuleta           Elbert              Lincoln         Rio Blanco
Baen                El Paso             Logan           Rio Grande
Bent                Fremont             Mesa            Sagauche
Chaffee             Grand               Mineral         Sedgwick
Cheyenne            Huerfano            Montrose        Teller
Costilla            Jefferson           Otero           Weld
Crowley             Kiowa               Ouray           Yuma
Custer              Kit Carson          Park

The following counties in Colorado votes "No" on CO2.
Boulder             Carbondale          La Plata        Oak Creek
Clear Creek         Glenwood Springs    Bayfield        Steamboat Springs
Empire              New Castle          Durango         Yampa
Georgetown          Parachute           Ignacio         San Juan
Idaho Springs       Rifle               Moffat          Silverton
Silver Plume        Silt                Craig           San Miguel
Denver              Gilpin              Dinosaur        Norwood
Eagle               Black Hawk          Montezume       Ophir
Avon                Central City        Cortez          Telluride
Basalt              Gunnison            Delores         Summit
Eagle               Crested Butte       Mancos          Blue River
Gypsum              Gunnison            Pitkin          Breckenridge
Minturn             Marble              Aspen           Dillon
Red Cliff           Mt. Crested Butte   Snowmass Vill.  Frisco
Vail                Pitkin              Routt           Montzeuma
Garfield            Hinsdale            Hayden          Silverthorne
Lake City

(Note:  Some of the names duplicate, and Delores is listed as voting both
yes and no on the amendment.)
--
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=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza.  OK???=
=You know, Colorado has a lot more to fear from a RadiKalFeministLesbianBitch =
=like me than I have to fear from either Colorado or "Them".  Carpe Diem! FWA!=
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:21:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.095333.26053@hemlock.cray.com>, axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell) writes:
> 
> Well, where the hell was the outside CO-2 concern BEFORE the election?
> I imagine if half the attitude and energy that's being put into
> punishing Colorado had been put to proactive use, we wouldn't
> be having this discussion.

Those of us who knew about it were concerned, to be sure. Some of us
sent money.

For whatever reason, the Colorado initiative got less press nationwide
than the Oregon one (which didn't get a whole hell of a lot, either,
but it did get some). I speculate that whatever national attention
Oregon did get may have provided the anti-9 forces with some
additional moral and material support; and the kind of negative
attention that it got may have shaken some local fence-sitters into
voting against it. As I said in mail to a friend yesterday, perhaps a
brighter spotlight might have helped defeat CO-2.

I'm not attempting to explain how this happened, and I'm certainly not
trying to lay blame on anyone. I suggest that there may be a lesson
here for other such campaigns in the future: we must make sure that
lots of people know about them.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Affirmative Action (was Re: Social Democracy)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 21:35:28 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.190746.27055@PacBell.COM>
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>Affirmative Action *has* worked.  It was never intended to
>be the one solution for all racial problems in this country.
>It was intended to provide qualified people with access to
>higher education and jobs.  If you look at the record over
>25 years, you'll see that it has done precisely that -- not
>as well as it might, perhaps, but there are *millions* of
>women and minorities who are living proof of its success.
>I'm really tired of hearing otherwise.

And right you are!  The campaign to discredit Affirmative
Action exists precisely because it *has* worked.  Racists
were opposed to it from the first, and their program from
day 1 has been to dismantle and otherwise hobble any and all
programs arising from the high-point of civil rights
legislation in the 60s.

No one has ever claimed that it is a panacea.  What we have
now abroad on the land is basically disinformation, spewed
forth by neo-conservatives of various races and ethnicities,
discrediting the whole because it fails to address all
structural problems of inequality of opportunity.

One example does not a general case make, but the record of
Clarence Thomas at the EEOC serves handily to show what a
toady of the power structure can do to forestall and
discredit such programs.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Individualism & the Common Weal
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<1992Nov5.164606.3898@macc.wisc.edu>
	<1992Nov5.195018.13629@gordian.com>
	<1992Nov11.181759.6528@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:45:00

In article <1992Nov11.181759.6528@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: 

   Dear old Karl Marx would say that you only think this because your
   ownership of property makes you do so.  But I figure you are
   capable of figuring out that this is nonsense.  To start with,
   taxes are not looting.  

I would say that depends on the situation.  The collection of taxes
which are to be used for legitimate purposes of government is neither
extortion nor looting.  The collection of taxes which are wasted,
misappropriated or otherwise misused is armed robbery.

For a perfectly clear example of the latter kind of tax, consider
european feudalism.  Taxation in that society was, for the most part,
a simple case of the nobles using force to rob the peasants.

I'd say the current situation in the US wrt taxation is better than
that in feudal europe, but it is certainly not ideal.  Thus some of my
tax burden pays for proper functions of governmant and is not a theft
of my property, and some of my tax burden is lost due to corruption,
inefficiency and waste, and that money, since it has been frittered
away to no good end, has been stolen.

   Moreover, it is not true that more taxes must lead to less
   prosperity. In Germany, taxes are higher than in the US, and things
   in many ways are in better shape.

Again, a very situation dependent state of affairs.  I'd be willing to
bet that tax revenue is used more effectively by the German government
than by the US government.  No comparison of relative tax burdens
which fails to take that difference into account is meaningful.

- Bob
From: ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Loomis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Date: 7 Nov 92 10:28:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4ez2PGW00WBNI2jVUU
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from assocs.out.opinion.colorado-2: 5-Nov-92 RE: Colorado
Addresses by aberson@enh.nist.gov 
> There has been talk on many networks about the boycott to Cut Off
> Colorado for passing this heinous anti-gay, anti-human rights amendment.
> After looking in my handy consumer guide from the ...yes...Consumer
> Information Center, Pueblo, Colorado, I found these companies either
> located, headquartered or having customer service centers in Colorado.
>  
> 1. Coor Brewing Co, Golden, CO  1-800-642-6116
>    Golden, CO 80401

Any gay person or liberal should boycott Coors Breweing Company,
regardless of Colorado number #2.  Coors denotes huge sums of money to a
variety of right wing causes.  It is major funder of the right wing
Hertiage Foundation. As an illustrutative historical note about this
company, its founder, Adolf Coors, admired Adolf Hitler.

Michael Loomis
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bdcrafto@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Crafton)
Subject: Sandra Bernhard (Was: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:12:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.011411.11469@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:
>Re: Roseanne, does anyone know if Sandra Bernhard's movie _Without
>You I'm Nothing_ is out on tape yet?  It was supposed to be released
>last year, but our friendly neighborhood video parlour said release
>had been delayed, no reason given.  I know it crops up on Showtime
>now and again, but we get Cinemax.
>--Michael

It's been out for some time on video.  A MUST SEE if you haven't seen it!

Unfortunately, the Compact Disc soundtrack of the stage show has been
deleted :-(  <actually, I think the record label it was on went under>.
It supposedly has songs and monologues that never made it to the
movie.

Anyone have a copy they are willing to sell??  I've been searching used
CD shops around the continent for this baby to no avail. :-(

Brad
-- 
-----
Brad Crafton                            bdcrafton@descartes.UWaterloo.CA
3B Actuarial Science, University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<19921101215510ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> <Bx3I0n.A4y@agora.rain.com>
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:09:20

In article <Bx3I0n.A4y@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent
Capps) writes: 

   Pinko        (PINK-oh) n. 1. An all-purpose innuendo used to imply that your
		opponent may be a homosexual when you don't have any actual
		evidence and don't want to be sued for libel, in which case
		you can maintain that, really, pink is just a shade of red,
		honest.  See the pyramids along the Nile.

Really?  I learned all this terminology back when I was so closeted I
didn't know there was a door, and "pinko" meant Communist, not gay.
 
- Bob
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:36:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.011000.11407@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:

} Check out the *two* Marky mark ads right up front in
} the latest Esquire (the one with Winona Ryder on the cover).
} Keepers, fer sure!

You guys cease to amaze me ...

No one here knows a fucking thing about what Marky Mark thinks  
of GLB issues.  We're just content looking at his ripped  
stomach.  Give me a fucking break.  Now if it is found out that  
he has made derogatory comments about Gays in his "songs" (term  
used sparingly), you all will look about as idiotic as a Gay  
person at the last hallowed Republican Convention ...

Why do Gay men make it a point to focus on so many superficial  
material things?  Out of the people I know, I would say that  
lesbians aren't caught up in it as much and are *much* more  
mature and educated about GLB issues.  I've never seen a lesbian  
say "Damn, she has a good body" without adding either "but she's  
a homophobe ..." or "and she's very Gay-positive! *smile*  
*flirt*".

I would probably fit into the Gay community better as a lesbian.

Donald - It's time for some action!
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:20:37 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1992Nov6.180233.4572@athena.mit.edu> Charlie
Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.035805.20856@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Frederick
>Vaughn, fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu writes:

>>I'm just curious as to what the "O" stands when people write "LGBO" in
>>their posts. Other? Something else I haven't thought of at all?

>The "O" stands for "omnisexual", i.e. people who are attracted to both
>living creatures and inanimate objects.

Sure as hell, somebody is going to believe that.  It means
other, and refers to the (mostly straight) members of our
cohort whose sexuality is not specified by L, G, or B.

Among all of LGB and O are people who are attracted to both
living creatures and inanimate objects, eh?

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Hello I must be going - I'M BACK
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.215227.21501@cuuxb.att.com> dlm@cuuxb.att.com (Auntie Dion) writes:
>As Captain Spaulding said "Hello, I must be going." I haven't
>been posting for more than two years.  Only the old-timers such
>as Jesse, Steve, Elle and others probably remember me. 

Oh go ahead, call us all old timers!  See if we care.  Welcome back
Auntie, your wit has been missed!  e-saccharine!

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: more faces for the soc.motss photo archive
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:00:47 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <thaaang.721563206@cwis>
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>j/john_dorrance_uncensored.gif	Now it can be shown

>This could very well affect my political career.

...in which case you should renounce your American citizenship, and
go Italian! Over there exposure has been known to ENHANCE ones career.

Why, they could call you "Cicciolino"! Just think of all the Eye-talian
men!

Ciao,
Brian
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Exit Polls
Date: 5 Nov 1992 10:27:27 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The LA Times conducted California and nationwide exit polls 
on Tuesday.  The margin of error for both polls is plus or 
minus 4 percentage points.  According to the exit polls, my 
enemy in California is most likely to be a white male born-again 
Christian over 50 who's had a high school education (or less) and 
makes more than $40,000 a year.  Nationwide, my enemy is most 
likely to be a white born-again Christian man over 50 who's had 
some college and makes more than $40,000 a year.  Now why doesn't
that surprise me?

--Arne

Excerpts from the polls:

California
                Clinton  Bush  Perot    Feinstein  Seymour  Boxer  Hersch.
SEX
48    Male        43      32     24        50        45      45      48
52    Female      49      31     19        60        34      51      40

RACE
82    Anglo       43      33     23        53        42      45      47
 6    Black       80      12      8        81        14      80      16
 7    Latino      51      27     21        54        39      51      40
 3    Asian       45      40     15        62        36      51      44

OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS
 3    Gay/Lesbian 76      16      8        77        18      77      16



Nationwide
                Clinton  Bush  Perot
SEX
48    Male        40      38     22
52    Female      44      39     17

RACE
84    Anglo       36      43     21
10    Black       86       9      5
 3    Latino      53      31     16
 1    Asian       43      40     17

OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS
 3    Gay/Lesbian 74      16     10

Xref: sparky soc.motss:47111 talk.politics.misc:59651 ca.politics:9517
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:39:18 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <101135@bu.edu>

... 30% of men had anal intercourse ...

Remember folks, we're talking sexual preference, not just men who
don't mind getting jerked off or otherwise for an occasioanal whoopie.
Most or all persons have some homosexual tendencies at some level, and
people will resort to sex in unusual fashion if their normal outlet
is not available. So men resorting to same-sex in a prison isn't the
same as someone who is "genetically" inclined to be gay.

Based on the common definition (Kinsey 6 or something like that) puts
us back to 2 to 5 percent of the population.