From: aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan M. Aras)
Subject: Re: Fake?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:54:08 GMT

In article <3263.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:
>
>RS>From: sachs@lhasa.berkeley.edu (Rainer Sachs)
>RS>Mutlu's posting policies are explicable if he is trying
>RS>to stir up anger against Turks or discredit Turkish policy.
>RS>Not otherwise.  Any reason to believe that he actually
>RS>has such a hidden agenda?
>
> I doubt that this is his goal. I feel that his primary targets are the
> fellow Turkish netters on this board.
>
> I have had the fortunate experience to have met and talked with Turkish
> fellow students in college. Most are very, very reasonable people.
>


[ Some analysis of Turkish Students, from the Greek viewpoint,
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> parties (not just the ones that the army feels 'qualified' to run). Even
> worse, they may start to express their opinions about the system. The Turkish
> government does not want that to happen.
>
>
> What dissapoints me is that I have not seen any of the Turkish netters
> telling this kind of. If someone on this group was defending the 1967
> dictatorial regime of Greece, or EOKA-B, or Sampson's 1974 actions, I would
> tell them to buzz off.


Mutlu has never defended the activities of the Turkish government.
Note that there has been very little if any articles on the Turkish Republic's
activities, right or wrong. As in Greece or other countries, the
government is not perfect and there are issues which could and should be
corrected.  
If you have not been killing his files, you will see that his obsession is
against the Armenian claims of Genocide. Anyone revising history to show
that it was a one sided affair is game for him. As a Turk I cannot blame
him for that. If the Armenians are showing a one sided picture, the
other side should be seen as well. If the Greeks are supporting these
mostly unfounded claims, then they are in the same ball game.

> I don't know if Turkish netters don't critisize him because they agree
> with Mutlu, or because those who disagree with him are afraid of the
> long arm of the turkish government. Most Turkish students in the USA
> will eventually have to return to Turkey, serve in the Turkish army,
> and then look for a job there. If I had all this in front of me, I
> admit I would think twice about being vocal, lest my name become a
> record in a database in a computer somewhere. Ever seen the
> "Midnight Express?"

The arm of the Turkish government is not as long as you may have been
taught. I wish there was a national network of computers where decent
information about people was kept and the paperwork minimized. The
simple fact that you don't understand is that although all of the
Turkish participants may not agree with the style, they are mostly in
agreement with Mutlu's activities. He has the resources to prevent and
fight against the incessant Armenian and Greek propaganda machines. If
you want to see how it feels to be in his feet, just answer the
following questions and think of having to answer for these questions
when they are exagerated by a factor of 10:

- Why were so many Turks persecuted in Cyprus between 67-74?
- Why are the Turks in North Eastern Greece not given full rights and
why do we keep hearing about discrimination against them?
- Why is Greece hostile against Macedonia?
- Why is Greece arming the islands in the Aegean, against all treaties?

I can go on and on and on. Just because Turkey has not mounted an
agressive publicity campaign against these issues does not mean these
and other issues do not exist and are unimportant. So, to see how Hasan
may feel, if you want, I can ask these to you every day, and make up a
few to polish up my point. I can even add some lies, fake documents, and
maybe, I can add some terrorism to show the boldness of my fake ideas
and how people can be sacrificed for these fake ideas. Then you may be a
little ticked off. Then I can perhaps collect some money and get a
terrorist group to bomb several Greek Embassies around the world, shoot
a few Ambassadors etc and then I can ask you again, how you feel. Do you
think you will be able to keep you level head, forgive everything and
expect to have a rational discussion with the person whose guts you hate
for what he is doing to you, your friends, your country?  Please give me
an answer. If you say yes, then we can perhaps try some of them, (the
question-hassle part, of course :) ) and see how long you are going to
last. 

>
> I am very interested of the opinions of Turkish netters on the subject.
>
> Michael.
>

So I hope this has given you enough information. 
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