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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDroids will *never* change
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:36:58 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Jul28.200819.41960@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Is it possible to run 47 applications at the same time with no loss
>of snappines/performance in the foreground?  By applications, I mean
>word processors, spreadsheets, databases, comm programs.  

It depends on the applications. If you have wordprocessors that just sit
idle waiting for your next keypress, you can have dozens of them. Or if you
have spreadsheets that also are ready with calculation and wait for your
next input. But if you have five spreadsheets doing calculations, you
perhaps could see an effect. But even this is avoidable when the programmer
cleverly used subtasks with proper (read: lower) priority settings.
And then, if you also have running some graphics demo, that grabs for
every processor cycle it can get its hand on, then yes, you'll experience
a slowdown for the other applications. But one of the important features
of the AmigaOS is that the programmer has got the means to keep these
effects to the very minimum, if he *wants*. As far as I know, such
priority schemes exist similarly in Windows and OS/2.

>In OS/2, I just run the application (say 32 bit Describe), and when I 
>look at the task list, I see "Describe."  I also see certain folders
>and other Workplace Shell stuff.  

On the Amiga, you have separate tasks for every mounted device, not for
every subdirectory (drawer on the Amiga, folder on others).

>If I were to count all of the WPS
>stuff (as tasks) with the applications, then sure, I could run 40, 50,
>maybe up close to 80-100 tasks.  But I mean applications.

Well, are they really tasks under OS/2? On the Amiga, they are.

>In Windows 3.1 on a machine with 4 megs of RAM, I can run about 20 or so
>applications before performance becomes unacceptable (average application
>probably is 100-200kb in size).  I haven't tried this many applications
>with OS/2 but I will in the future. 

But I'm sure, this depends equally on the status and character of the
applications as elaborated above. Processor time is principally a limited
resource, you can only share it as clever as possible. 

My own setup is not so impressive, my Amiga has not to multitask very much, 
perhaps two or three open Shells, two or three editors open, nothing really 
challenging.

-- 
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				   or  peterk@public.sub.org
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From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ! Pournelle [sic] says that there is a new amiga !
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:37:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <1992Jul27.173839.1709@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
> 
>>In article <0eQNm4600XNI1NmFA0@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
> 
>>>Well, I was looking in a copy of BYTE in a bookstore, and I looked at
>>>the list of topics (not the index, the other list), which I do, rather
>>>forlornly, out of habit, and lo and behold, the word "AMIGA" was on the
>>>list. So I turned to the page mentioned, and it was Pournelle's
>>>``column''. I searched, and near the end, I found about two sentences to
>>>the effect that: His next column would be about the state of amigas, and
>>>that he had recieved a *new Amiga* just the previous week. 
>>>O.K. that's what it said. Fire up the rumour mills.
> 
> Guys... would it be that "video-ready" Amiga2000HD<whatever> that
> C= is advertisting now?  well, reviewing that "new" Amiga is obviously
> not as exciting as hearing about the rumored Amigas.  Nonetheless, 
> it does have an 030 and 100HD... (hey, reviewing it is better than
> reviewing the A600!) 
> 
> What do you folks think?

New to Commodore, or new to Jerry?  He didn't say.  It could be that Com-
modore sent him an A3000.  Since we'll only have a month to wait until we
find out, speculation seems rather pointless.

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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: The future of the Amiga is clear
Keywords: PEROT for President
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:00:05 GMT


	This message is crossposted to rec.video.production and 
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy. Why? So you video buffs can comment on any mistakes
I may make, and so that we can follow up all the inevitable flames to my email
address or advocacy.


	People seem to think that CBM was slow in moving into the multimedia
market that it boasted about for the past seven years. Well, in the past few
months, I have seen Amiga coverage on a steady climb in numerous video and
computer graphics magazines. Just today I saw that three more Amiga dealers
moved into the video magazines, and a few more Amiga third party hardware and
software developers also moved in. 

	It is now clear that the Amiga has presented itself as an inexpensive
and efficient tool for graphics and video production. No matter how many
times people claim that the Amiga will not survive in the US, it IS achieving
a niche in the video market n the United States. In Europe it is still one
of the most reputable systems around.

	I just recently applied to become a developer, and have even 
completed my first four 3d fonts for use in modeling programs such as 
Lightwave and Imagine. I think the next year will be quite exciting in the
video arena.

-- 
      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 516-473-5156 AMIGA  DDD-MEN   
     //  bounce-resistant:    dtiberio%libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu@sunysb.edu
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:15:47 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul28.012830.12748@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >As for Apps, the Indigo has plenty to choose from, albeit they are very
> >expensive.  I do not know for sure if FrameMaker exists for the SGI, but
> >if it is, you won't find a better desktop publisher/word processor on
> >any platform - especially the Mac (which claims this kind of app as
> >a strength).  FrameMaker is available on the Mac in a crippled/slimmed
> >down version of what the X version does...
>
> What are some other good X applications?  I need to see if we can get
> some at work.
>

OK all you Unix/X guys out there.  Let's start a list.  I'll start it off,
you can add to the end :)

1.	FrameMaker
2.	XGuide
3.	XRn

> -- Gerald

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Cut the politics!
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:38:04 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

How about reducing the amount of political crap that gets posted in this
group? First, this isn't the place for it. Second, it's just not 
interesting to someone outside the US. 
-- 

Adam Eberbach      t9114145@phillip.edu.au          fnord
Computer Science student, Phillip Institute of Technology.
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From: pete@plutonium.CChem.Berkeley.EDU (Pete Goodeve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: What does the Amiga lack?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 07:34:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: plutonium.cchem.berkeley.edu
Summary: Data acqisition hardware for one thing...



[cross-posted to hardware from advocacy for a wider audience (?)]

Russell Tayler (birjt@cc.newcastle.edu.au) writes:
> In article <14trakINN5ru@agate.berkeley.edu>, pete@plutonium.CChem.Berkeley.EDU
> (Pete Goodeve) writes:
>
|>  For example, the only Analog-to-Digital card I know for the Amiga is by
|>  ACDA, and I am not impressed. [....]
>
> On a related note, a friend of mine here built a zorroII board for one of the
> brain research labs here, different department tho. This board had 32 A-D
> converters operating in parallel and put the values into memmory ( I am not up
> on hardware so this may seem a bit vague), it was built to do this once a
> millisecond. Last time I was talking to him he said that he would release the
> design when it was finished, this was about 4 month ago. If anybody is
> interested I will see him and get more info or if he is willing give his E-mail
> address and people can talk directly.

Now *that* sounds like the sort of data-acq peripheral that *ought*
to exist for the Amiga.  I most definitely am interested.  Tell us more!

                                        -- Pete --


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Re: I'm a bit scared...
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:27:01 GMT


In a previous article, craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Stace) says:

>I'm a bit concerned here.  I just sank a sizeable amount of money into an 
>A2000HD (upgraded frommy lowly A1000).
>
>Since I now own an Amiga capable of actually doing stuff, I started reading
>this group, as well as the other Amy groups.  
>
>From the look of postings here, Commodore's still doing its gangbusters job
>of supporting the computer.  If I wasn't already hooked, I don't know if I'd
>have bought the 2000, and instead gone for a 486 fully loaded system.
>
>To cut to the chase, am I going to be left high and dry with no support?  I
>was bitten once (with the abandoned 1000), and I don't care to own yet another
>obsolete machine.
>
>->Stace<-
>-- 
>                   ______   ______   ______   ______   ______
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>           /     ______/     /     /     /  /_____   /_____       \
>                        craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca 
>

You should have waited until late 1992 for the Falcon 030 or
for the new Amigas in the second half of 1993.

Big mistake.


-- 
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:24:03 GMT

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
:   Why don't you think it pays?  If you get a chip which performs two
: or three times faster, yet costs the same or less, it pays off handsomely.
: Especially if you have emulation technology already developed, along 
: with binary recompilers (can anyone say Echo Logic?).

(Except backwards compatibility wasn't involved, and without RTG, it
would be a bad idea for current systems, IMHO.  That was my point.)

:   Define run-of-the-mill.  The NeXT (even the original) is hardly
: a run of the mill architecture.

I don't consider it to be anything fascinating.  It does have its
interesting points, but I'm not necessarily intrigued by its design.
Although the DSP is an interesting twist.  I do wish it had a bit more
in the way of "hardware" though.  It's a jump above Apple's and a leap
above IBM systems, though.

:   So you're saying the Quadra has no new technology?  Last I looked,
: there was a new NuBus 90 bus in there, a built-in motherboard DMA

I don't LIKE NuBus.  It... lacks.

: Ethernet, totally revamped (and improved quality) sound chipset, a new

The Ethernet I like, even though it's part of someone else's chip.  :)

The sound chipset isn't something really neat.  If it had been DMA
too, I'd have given it more of a look.

: high-speed SCSI controller (two of them for the Q900), and of course,

That one I did see, yes.  Though it's not DMA either, I don't think.
Isn't it hand-fed too, so to put?

: the 24-bit graphics on board (with support for VGA, SVGA, NTSC, PAL
: outputs etc etc).

mmph.  I've seen the NTSC output, and it wasn't cheap or good-looking.
Not the one I saw.

:   Perhaps if Commodore could incorporate so much new technology in any
: product over the past 7 years, people wouldn't be complaining.

I couldn't say that they haven't.  They've got DMA sound chips, DMA
SCSI which works at a rather high speed, DMA video (though not
24-bit)...  A blitter to offload CPU stuff to...  Lots of stuff that
crosses.  Now the fact that its video and audio are in need of
revamping can't be understated, correct.

:   Exactly.  So you're prepared to wait until 1997 for the A4000?

Eek.  True, I'm going under the superstition (yes, superstition) that
it will be released.  Good point.  ;)

Greg

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigan perspective on audio
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:41:58 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Jul25.124857.12496@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:
>In article <dano.711957204@srl01>, dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson) writes:
>> Basically, I wowed my Amigan friend (A500)
>> with my SoundBlaster's digitized speech.
>> He did NOT say the SB was of better quality, but that
>> "wow, the Amiga doesn't have sound this good, it would
>> take up too much disk space"
>
>Must be an uninformed friend. A standard Amiga samples (using a sampler
>called Audio Engineer, Australian product) at 57 kHz. A Soundblaster
>_PRO_ samples at 44 kHz. What does a plain Soundblaster sample at? Isn't
>it 11 kHz? Your Falcon 3.0 speech (or whatever it was) might be good,
>but it's not better. He is uninformed because he says the Amiga "doesn't
>have sound this good, it would take up too much disk space". What he's
>saying is "I haven't bought a hard disk yet." It's not impossible to play
>57kHz samples on a floppy only system, it's just harder.

No.  Look at what I said.  What he said was that Amigas DON'T come with that
much speech.  He was making a quantifying judgement, not one on quality.

>> I think the lack of hard drives as a standard on Amigas
>> has been its #1 drawback/problem.
>
>Hard drives on all Amigas as 'standard' would just make them too expensive 
>for people who want to start cheap. Adding a HD to an Amiga is as easy
>as adding a HD to any other system. They are as 'standard' as those HDs
>found on any other system. I recently sold a 386, kept the WD Caviar
>85M HD and stuck it on my Amiga 2000. Not a problem. The interface card 
>cost me $180 Australian. Where's the problem there?

No, lack of aHDs as standard (and no VM) is the reason why my Amigan friend
was the reason why PCs almost win by default when it comes to the digitized
speech.  In other words, quicks takes of the  technically superior
Amiga isn't nearly as neat or impressive as the LONG introduction
with speech for Ultima Underworld - a game, by the way, that won't be done for 
Amigas for the same reason: it requires a hard drive andlots of free space 
on it.  Or your could have a dozen floppies and swap floppies a whole -yech!

-Dan Stephenson  (at my OTHER account)

>
>Adam Eberbach      t9114145@phillip.edu.au          fnord
>Computer Science student, Phillip Institute of Technology.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:52:13 GMT

>>> 	I think you underestimate PC games.  There are quite a few out there
>>>  that are very nice.  Over the last few months I bought quite a few great
>>>  PC games: Ultima Underworld, Star Trek the 25th Anniversary, Links 386 Pro,
>>>  Red Baron, to name some.  The future of PC games looks even nicer, with
>>>  great games on the horizon, like Strike Commander.
>
>First of all I've never understood the obsession with any of those games
>listed above [ have no idea about Strike Commander], nor Wind Commander, etc...
>There are lot's of SNES games far better than these. Most golf games on 
>computers are a waste. Links is truly no big deal. Mac Golf on the MacII was
>ok (in colour) but it wasn't worth the money I spent on it.

	I haven't taken a look for a while, but I haven't seen anything on
  the SNES or Genesis thats as good as Ultima Underworld.  I disagree about
  golf games also, Links 386 Pro is very nice.

>As far as I'm concerned Lemmings on CDTV is better than all of the above.
>So is Sonic on the Genesis, Super Mario V on the SNES, Adams Family,
>CV IV on the SNES, etc...
>
>Philip McDunnough
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu

	I guess I'm just a different type of game player then you are.  I don't
  think the games you listed are all that great either.  For some reason I've
  never caught on to the Lemmings hysteria, and I really don't feel like
  playing the latest Super Mario or Sonic.  I will say this though, NHL Hockey
  for my Genesis system is pretty awesome.

								G.Greene
From: dridi@choco.UUCP (Gilles Dridi ERF004)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Amigas are cool
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:02:04 GMT
Organization: None

In article <mykes.0aax@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>Here's another good question:
>
>What good is VM if you have a battery powered computer (i.e. Mac or PC laptop
>or notebook)?	These machines are cleverly designed to power down disk drives
>and display to conserve battery life.	Using an OS with VM causes that disk
>drive to spin a lot of the time - enough to make you need to charge your
>batteries a lot more often.

    Excuse me Mike Schwartz but:

Here's a simple answer:

Yes, until I invented the perpetual movement...

>--
>Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
>Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz	(ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024

--
Gilles Dridi
{cbmvax!cbmehq}!cbmfra!choco!dridi
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,connect.audit
Subject: Re: OH MY GOD...I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:13:56 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <33828@cbmvax.commodore.com> ricci@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mark Ricci - CATS) writes:
> dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul28.182214.4922@ibmpcug.co.uk> george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman) writes:
> >>
> >>So,  If I'd like to mail
> >>the big C= myself, and tell them
> >>that I love the Amiga, but dont
> >>like what's happening with it,
> >>
> >>How (or where) can I do this?
>
> >	suggestions@cbmvax.commodore.com
>
>
> Wrong!  Please do not do that.
>
> The suggestions address is for Amiga suggestions, not for general feelings
> about what C= should and should not be doing.
>
> Thanks.
>

Gee, if mailing to that address gets CBM 1/10th as pissed off as we users
are, by all means send HATE MAIL :) to the above address.  Those of us
with Amiga UUCP could even add a line to our CronTabs to automate the
bombardment!

>
> Mark
> --
> ===============================================================================
>  Mark Ricci - CATS          |   Perot For President -- oh well, not anymore
>  Commodore Applications and |             Hello, Andre Marrou
>  Technical Support          |
>  ricci@cbmvax.commodore.com |       (but I'd still rather have Jack Kemp)
> ===============================================================================

--
Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Oh, Pick on me too! was Re: LEAVE MARC BARRET ALONE!
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:05:07 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <sheldon.712422150@pv141b.vincent.iastate.edu>, sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:
> In <1992Jul17.143344.29631@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> 
>>In article <tony.711325586@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>>>It also kinda amuses me that a while back, one Bowie Poag was so hated that
>>>his sysadmin yanked his net access.  "But he advocated Piracy!" they said. 
>>>Heh....Mark is doing a better job at killing the Amiga than piracy
>>>is.

This is ludicrous.  If Mark or me or any one person is capable of
"killing" the amiga then it was dead long ago and where living in
post-mortis twitching.  This is not the case IMO yet, but just wait.
We'll see C= big-whigs jockey what work their engineers and
programmers have done it to failure.  Boy aren't I getting cynical in
my old age.

>>   You act as if I personally am responsible for all of the Amiga's problems
>>today, and that I am single-handedly killing the machine off.  This is 
>>absolutely ludicrous.  I admit that Usenet gives me a wide audience of people
>>who can read my messages, but compared to the people who are really
>>in control 
>>of things, I have no bearing whatsoever in the future of the future
>>of the machine.

Mark, you're not the only one who bears sole responsibilty for "the
death of the Amiga" (sounds like a cheap horror flick, I hope it stays
fiction) I guess I'm the whole problem now,... NOT!

PS how many board members are required to expell a member of a board
of directors?  What about the chair of the board?
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka_
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:25:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Peter_Carenza.06su@fcircus.sat.tx.us>
  <1992Jul7.051124.27576@nic.unh.edu> <al158305.711748234@academ01>
  <1992Jul21.211936.1896@ctr.columbia.edu>
  <1992Jul22.195844.22436@hfsi.uucp>
  <1992Jul22.213200.24803@ctr.columbia.edu>
  <1992Jul23.181707.26323@hfsi.uucp> <dano.711954555@srl01>

You got rid of REXX????!!!???

<g>

That's 1/4 of the neat part of OS/2 2.0 as far as I'm concerned.
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