HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:55:18 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.173624.10218@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
> >    No stan, they decided to do it all by themselves...  Is that what
> >you (the people so feverently supporting this campaign against Levi's
> >& Co) are afraid of?  That people are finially looking that this whole
> >issue and dare deciding that you're wrong?
> 
> You know darn well what the issue is.  It's Levi, et.al., succumbing
> to guerrilla warfare being waged against BSA by trying to dry up
> their sources of funding.  All of a sudden, an organization that is
> based on normal, proper, moral values, is under attack; something
> is wrong here

Oh, my STARS, it's a con-SPEER-a-cy!  It just has to be, right?
Obviously Levi's lied when they said it was all their idea.  That
must mean they're part of it.  Whoa, then maybe it was.  Oh dear,
this gets confusing...

> Just because you stand on a
> soapbox, it doesn't mean that the societal norm will change to suit
> YOU. 
> The situation involving real minority groups, with
> legitimate issues of discrimination, is totally different from your
> pathetic attempts to jump on their bandwagon.

Hee hee hee!  Your ideas of societal norms are quaint, Stan.  You're
standing on the corner for a bus that has done gone and left long ago.

> God gave us all brains...

Another operational oxymoron which I'm thankful we atheists need
not defend.
-- 

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm
From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:54:30 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalno.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug9.234825.11097@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, 
stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
> who have legitimate civil rights issues.  A person can't control
> their skin color, but one's behavior is totally within one's control.

A person also has total control over which political party they join and which
religion they worship.  These have long been forbidden as grounds for
discrimination.  Try again.
-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
TEAM STAR Charter Member             | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm
From: merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:54:19 GMT

In <1992Aug9.234825.11097@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>Excuse me, but why is Levi Strauss stopping their contributions to
>BSA?  It's because of pressure put on them by people who are opposed
>to fundamental, decent, moral values.

Hey, Stan, haven't I seen you post in that den of iniquity, rec.gambling?
I'd say it's too dangerous to have a gambler as a scout leader;
he'll just lead the lads into ruin with the lure of easy money...
Better resign, Krieger, immoral people like you have no place in scouting.

---
Merlyn LeRoy
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:14:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.200624.5732@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.081714.7167@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>>You may consider homosexuality immoral, but what two consenting adults
>>do with each other has no effect on anybody else.  Sexual harassment,
>>on the other hand, is _not_ a victimless crime.
>
>Please, let us stop pretending that what you do in the privacy of your
>own bedroom really doesn't affect anyone else.  When you are a member
>of society, almost everything you do impacts the rest of society.  And
>when that impact is death, it is hard to argue that the impact is
>minimal or nonexistent.

So, since HIV is primarily a heterosexual disease worldwide, you
presumably favor excluding heterosexuals from the BSA, as well.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"No need to overheat your rhetoric,
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| Exaggerating items in your pride..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||        -- Mephistopheles, _Faust_
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: This Group
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 06:08:18 GMT


Re: how can I stand it...

Liberal use of my "z" key to zap the annoying threads.  I 
actually -like- a.p.h better than soc.motss since motss' 
"orientation" so to speak tends to shy away from more radical
politics or debates; and there are only so many messages I 
can read about who's doing whom or what the hot gay vacation
spots are this season before I fall asleep...::GRIN::
-- 
You know life is an impossible scheme,
And love, an imperceptible dream...
     --- Pet Shop Boys
bn566@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ward Chanley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm
From: bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: Clearing Up a Technical Point
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:42:52 GMT


Re: MEn are Masculine!

Gads, not all of us...
-- 
You know life is an impossible scheme,
And love, an imperceptible dream...
     --- Pet Shop Boys
bn566@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ward Chanley)
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:5390 rec.scouting:2379
From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:37:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug9.193325.21830@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

>The homosexual agenda seeks to justify casual sexual contact by making

Okay, let's begin with some definitions.  What do you mean by "homosexual
agenda"?  Is this an agenda a person automatically inherits when they realize
they are gay?  Since when did gay people all over become an organized political
party in which everyone homosexual became card carrying members of, like the
Democratic party or the Republican party?  If you talk about a "Republican
agenda" then I can understand you -- it's the agenda of a particular political
party of which all it's members might not necessarily be in full support.  

If you suggest such a thing as a homosexual agenda, you suggest a plan that
is widely accepted by all gay people.  And while I would love to think that, 
yes, most gay people would believe and want simple fundamental rights of 
non-discrimination, it isn't true that that many homosexuals and bisexuals 
give a flying fuck.  They have found their peace, and the way they want to
live their lives, and they're perfectly content where they are.  There are, 
however, a good deal (small proportion, however, of the gay community) who are
vocal, who might even be considered to have an agenda -- but it isn't the 
"homosexual agenda" -- it's some people's agenda.. 

>it sounds normal - and by hiding just how casual "casual" really is.
>That the number of sexual partners for the AVERAGE (not the "bar
>attending") gay man was 70 per YEAR in 1978 is kept from the media.


And can we balance this out with the number of casual sexual relationships
heterosexuals had in 1978?  Particularly men, since that seems to be your 
focus on your previous statistic.  And how many casual relationships did
gay men have in 1988?  Or was that too low a figure to make a good argument
for you?

How about the average number of lesbian relationships in a year (ANY YEAR?)?  
Ah, but that would be actually recognizing women's existence which doesn't
happen in heterosexual world either!


>Because NO ONE in their right mind is going to feel sorry for a man
>who contracts a sexually transmitted illness if he is AVERAGING 70
>sex partners PER YEAR.

How many sex partners do you average per year?

>It is no bigotted to say "if you sleep around, you will contract
>diseases that you catch by sleeping around."  It is IGNORANT to pretend

No one is saying it is.

>otherwise.  But because you are afraid of being found out, you instead
>accuse those who know better of being bigots.  Well, you've been found
>out.
>-- 
>John F. Haugh II      | MaBellNet: (512) 823-1078       | SneakerNet: 042/2F068
>InterNet: jfh%snowball.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com               [TSAKC]
-- 
--Karin
keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Stan Kreiger
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:35:06 -0600

Subj: Pt 1/2: Levis Drops Boy S      Conf: (35) Alt.Politi
___------------------------------------------------------------------------


KEB> >>stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

Don't bother, Karin... He isn't one who listens.

I shot off an answer to him before I saw how much posting he does, and
he is one of those who will just spew and spew and spew.....

Have a nice day!  (Big Grin)

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Mental Floss prevents Moral Decay.

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table (1:282/31)
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Bisexuality and Choice (was Re: Levis...)
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:06:10 GMT
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <1992Aug10.215839.8088@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
>But that doesn't change the FACT that hundreds and thousands of gay
>men EVERY YEAR can, and do change their sexual orientation.  Our
>very own Elf!! has admitted numerous times that he chooses to be
>bi-sexual.  It is quite rare to find a friend in this argument, but
>I'll take Elf's word that he did indeed CHOOSE to start sleeping
>with men. [...]

The existence of bisexuality *does*not* disprove the existence of
heterosexuality and homosexuality. While I am flexible as to the
sex of my partners in love/lust, there is ample evidence that not
everyone is equally flexible. (I am equally inflexible about other
dimensions of my sexuality.)

At the same time -- as a bisexual I want to speak on behalf of people's
free choice as a positive value -- the notion that queer sexuality is
depraved and degrading and nobody would choose it freely -- is bogus.
We are most human when we make our own choices in our own way -- this
is not a matter where there should be any social pressure in any
direction -- to be het, homo or bi.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:18:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug12.141759.17273@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker) writes:
>
>MEN produce pornography which promotes lewd behavior and sexual promiscuity.
>

       Whoops!  I know this if off-topic, but I have yet to see any
kind of conclusive evidence supporting the above statement.  As a 
matter of fact, the vast majority of the times I've seen that statement,
it was coming from book-banners and obscenity-law-mongers.
Surprising to see it in the middle of what was an otherwise fairly
reasonable post.

					-Phil

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Lafornara         				1 Microsoft Way         
philipla@microsoft.com				Redmond, WA 98052-6399 
Note:  Microsoft doesn't even _know_ that these are my opinions. So there.
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:5419 rec.scouting:2396
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:47:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality

In article <1992Aug11.152938@wsl.dec.com>, gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.215839.8088@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:
> |> In what universe is exposing young boys to sexual assault a decent
> |> moral value?  We don't allow boys to join the Girl Scouts in part
> |> because young boys would rapidly learn that camping trips are a great
> |> way to have sex with young girls.

> And good for them, as long as they practice safe consensual sex.

Watch It george, you left the *assault* word in there , you know who
will be sure to accuse you of condoning assault :-)

But of course every boy scout camp I ever went to had a girl scout camp 
next door, or across the lake.

> |> Homosexuality =IS= a changeable trait. 
 
> How the fuck would you know?!  Are you gay?  Ever had sex with
> a man, or does the idea just scare you into this kind of
> stupidity?

Bingo.

Lets look at this closely.. of course this is the not so veiled
understanding at work. John and his ilk have the urge, have always had the
urge, but they - with the help of JAYzuz.. or a cold shower.. or a quick
wank in the little boys room.. are able to keep themselves pure.
After years of repression the urge subsides, and they know in their heart
that it is a changeable trait. Of course its true, you can change, you can
change any time you want George.. Why I can't imagine why you wouldn't want
to change from the happy well balanced queer you are, to a bitter 
and frustrated gutter snipe like these geeks who break out in a sweat over 
the idea of men enjoying their sexual nature together.

LUX ./.  owen
--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss
From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker)
Subject: Queer Nation members needed..
Summary: Needed for research paper..
Keywords: activism
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:11:18 GMT

(Dare I say I'm looking for research for a paper?  Wait!  Before you 
slam on me, I am not looking to the net as a way of avoiding the 
library, I'm looking to the net as an alternative to the library since
I don't think the library has what I need..)

I am trying to finish an incomplete for a class about identity politics, 
and want to write a paper particularly about Queer Nation.  I'm looking
for members of various sections of Queer Nation (different areas) to just
ask questions about personal reasons for joining Queer Nation, etc.

Do feel safe that I am not an anti-QN person -- I have no intentions of 
attacking people for their beliefs.  I'm just a college student who likes
to use every paper as an opportunity to educate my professors! <smile!>

E-mail replies only (I can't keep up with soc.motss) because it will be 
easier for me to start dialogs with individuals.  

Thank you.

(email replies to:
keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
(or press 'r' or your equivalent of reply!)

Thanks again..
-- 
--Karin
keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:5432 talk.abortion:31646 talk.bizarre:25921
From: benny@precipice.chi.il.us (The Good Guy.)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,talk.abortion,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: ReVelation: HeteroSexuality as a DeathKult
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:55:07 CDT
Organization: Welch Research

drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

> First Off I have always wondered about brian's habit
> of trying to "out Me on the net" in some GrandiousEthicalManner.
> {And generally decide its not worth worrying about.}

  Excuse me, but I am new on the net!

  I agree that it's not worth worrying about because I am a gay male
police officer and went through the same type of thing in the town
that I grew up in and now patrol.  I believe that it's no ones business
what I do at home as long as it does not interfere with them.  For
example: I am a white male, and I an married to a black male. Some
might think that is disgusting, but I am very happy (just be yourself
and be happy.)  People are people no matter of race, creed, color or
sexual pref.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Phone Zap - Astra in blinding PWAs with ASTRAnomical Greed
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:28:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.132210.17570@spdcc.com> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
>I seriously wonder how it would be handled if a cancer drug were found and
>the company that made it charged $24000+ a year for it?

Guess what?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Xref: sparky alt.politics.homosexuality:5434 rec.scouting:2411
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Guy Who Got Fired at Sun for Homophobic Harrassment
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:55:30 GMT

In article <exuptr.286.713574478@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:


>>You have no idea whether or not Paul is HIV+.  
>Taking my response rather personally, aren't you.

No, your response was stupid.  I was pointing it our.


>>Why did you make such a stupid
>>statement?
>
>Why did you?  I said what I said because I think it's really kinda f*cked
>up to insinuate that Peewee's activities are sicker than his own.  

The only person who saw that insinuation was you.


>I have no idea whether Paul has got anything to do with AIDS.  What I do
>know is that promiscuity hurts more people than public masturbation.

However, Paul sexuality is much more complex than public masturbation.
Your absurd generalization was rather stupid and offensive.



>If you still think it's a stupid point, have your own vision checked.

I still think that it is a stupid point.  Now, however, I think that you
are stupid too...



FWA
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Buchanan's speech
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:09:20 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

     Folks, lets not forget the words of this orator who is "right besides 
himself":                       (courtesy NEW YORK TIMES)

          "My friends, even in tough times,
           these poeple are with us.  They don't
           read Adam Smith or Edmund Burke, but
           they came from the same schoolyards and
           playgrounds and towns as we did.  They
           share our beliefs and convictions, our
           hopes and our dreams."
           ...
          "And, we need to reconnect with them.
           We need to let them know we know they're
           hurting.  They don't expect miracles,
           but they need to know we care."

     Such a kind, caring and thoughtful soul!

     Amazing, how those sentences, when standing by themselves on the
phosphors of the screen can take on a whole new meaning.

     Don't you just want to embrace him for his concern over OUR hurt!  After
all, he did grow up with us, in the same schoolyards, playgrounds and town as
we did.  He knows us so well -- he could never turn away from a friend in need
of a bit of support!

     DOESN'T HE DESERVE AN HONORARY DEGREE in Social Work!

     We ought to find a pair of Siamese Twins who can give this man the sort of
two faced kiss-off that he truly deserves.  Where are Blaine & Antoinne when
you really need them?

	READ MY LIPS MISTER BUCHANAN	(written by Gary M. Klein, 8/20/92)
                
		We're queer,
		We're here,
	       	And we grew up playing in your schoolyard!
 
		We're queer,
		We're here,
		And we were once friends!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we once cared about each other!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we never hated anyone!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And you don't respect us anymore!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we ain't gonna hide!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And we've got love on our side!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        Can you see the rising tide!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And Roy Cohn wants a bride!

		We're queer,
		We're here,
	        And God is on YOUR side?

		We're queer,
		We're here,
                And we're all gonna cheer!	        	       


P.S.  Guess who is going on a vacation in the woods?
      And coping without a newsfeed.
      But I will be spending time with an e-mail buddy!
-- 
"Read Queer Books"                                  "Librarian, Leather bound"

Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: illini@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (jerry.waltz)
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:10:09 GMT


After reading all of the carrying on about this issue... and frankly getting
bored by the rather obvious fact that most of us hold strong opinoins which
are not at this point going to be changed.. somehing occoured to me that cause
me to chuckle... the subject of this string is Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts
thank (Some power greater than the individual) that its not
			Re: Boy Scout drops Levis...

such a vivid mind picture...
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality