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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: NeXT should improve, not eliminate, its hardware line
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:59:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.132949.217@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> harit@kripalu.com writes:
>> Let's also not forget that even now the NeXT 68040 box is competitive with  
>> price of Apple 68040 boxes with the same CPU/RAM/HD. 


	But not in terms of software.  Software sells machines.  The 
	Mac was revolutionary next to the PC of the time.  Easy to use,
	WYSIWYG (near), simple.  It developed into a good platform because
	it had a feature that made it *clearly* better than the competition
	in the area that users cared about--ease of learning.

	NeXTstep is clearly better than the Mac OS.  Not just in terms of
	multitasking--the NS interface is extremely consistent and 
	mostly straightforward.  It has a display engine that can grow
	as far into the forseeable future as you care to go (DPS), and
	a great engine under the hood that offers the essential basics--
	multitasking, VM, task protection.

	But the difference between the Mac OS and NeXTstep--on the surface--
	is not big enough to do for NeXT (as compared to the present Mac
	and PC) what the Mac (as compared to the choices at the time) did
	for Apple. 

	I wish NeXT would start romancing developers and/or focusing
	on an attainable goal.  Their idea to capture the minds of 
	edu students who would then buy NeXTs when they went into the
	business world was good, but they have pretty much abandoned it and
	headed into the custom-app market.  Since NS is very good in
	the in-house app market, it's a good place for NeXT to sell--
	but it is a *lousy* market to focus on.  


>Onething that may make color CHEAP is the HDTV standard being selected by the  
>FCC this spring.  By year end DIGITAL 1000x1000 color displays should be  
>marketed in low consumer quantity at about $1000 over current pricing (read  
>under $2000 for a 27" display).  Lets hope NeXT shows that at the expo.

	
	Out of curiousity, what is the dot pitch and scan rate on the
	top HDTV contenders?  


-- 
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 ---  boycott == coercion == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice  ---
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		Shepherds are for sheep.   -----      Pain teaches.
From: sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu (Sven Bohm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXT should improve, not eliminate, its hardware line
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:27:28 GMT
Reply-To: sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu (Sven Bohm)
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobs2.css.msu.edu

In article <1993Jan10.125438.1578@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk  
(Paul Lynch) writes:
> ..... I was one of those who bought NeXT  
> because it was the cheapest viable Unix workstation at the time; that  
> certainly isn't true now.

I'll second that. Unfortunatly I don't see them reversing direction in the  
near future. 
--
Sven B hm
sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu  (NeXTMail welcome)
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From: harit@kripalu.com
Subject: Re: NeXT should improve, not eliminate, its hardware line
Reply-To: harit@kripalu.com
Organization: Kripalu Center
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 13:29:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.022203.28736@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.193139.897@ccsi.com> jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo)  
> writes:
> > I believe the hardware line could become a viable machine with only a few  
> > changes:
> > 	- Use a Serial Chip Set that can do 64K or 128K synchronous 
> > 	- Put in a real SCSI-2 chip set, not just a connector
> > 	- Switch to a 32-Bit Ethernet Chip Set
> > These changes would help alleviate some of the bottlenecks we run into on  
> > the NeXT.  List Price the machine for $3,500 and $4,000 for Mono and Color  
> > respectively.
> 
> I've long been a loud voice calling for NeXT to move it's prices downward  
over
> shorter time periods, say six months, and to narrow the gap of the pricing
> between mono/2-bit machines and color machines. However, it's important to
> have realistic pricing, and the difference between the cost of 17" mono and
> color displays is more than the $500 spread suggested by P. John Corallo. If  
a
> 15" Sony color display (no more cheap displays!) was offered the price could
> indeed drop to that $500 spread - or less.
> 
> Let's also not forget that even now the NeXT 68040 box is competitive with  
the
> price of Apple 68040 boxes with the same CPU/RAM/HD. 
> 
> --
> Nathan Janette	# "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding.
> Dept MB&B	# Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding.
> Yale Univ/HHMI	# I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to  
give.
> New Haven, CT	# Echoes of the life that we all want to live."
> 
> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu		

One thing that may make color CHEAP is the HDTV standard being selected by the  
FCC this spring.  By year end DIGITAL 1000x1000 color displays should be  
marketed in low consumer quantity at about $1000 over current pricing (read  
under $2000 for a 27" display).  Lets hope NeXT shows that at the expo.
-- 
Michael Allen Latta
Kripalu Center
harit@kripalu.com
(413)448-3288
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From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo)
Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP development opportunities
Reply-To: John@ccsi.com
Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:10:21 GMT

In article <1iflqpINNkms@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art  
Isbell) writes:
> 
> 
> From "Open Systems People in Demand" in the 4 Jan 93 issue of Open  
Systems
> Today reproduced without permission:
> 
> "NextStep [sic] experts, however, can go just about anywhere.  [Pencom's
> Executive VP Ed] Taylor says that NextStep 486 has fueled interest in  
the
> NextStep environment from organizations that had operated proprietary  
shops.
> He predicts communications, finance, medical, retail, and related  
industries
> will embrace NextStep.  The demand for experts in Objective C [sic], DB  
Kit,
> NextStep tools and interface building will be ``staggering,'' says  
Taylor, who
> expects contract programmers will command rates up to $100 an hour.   
``NextStep
> and DCE are among the two greatest areas of opportunity,'' he says."
> 
> So get out there and get the Garfinkle-Mahoney NeXTSTEP programming  
book, get
> access to a NeXT machine, and do anything to get experience.  Your  
future
> should be bright, especially if you're flexible about location.  At  
$100/hour,
> you can fly home on the weekends and still have money to burn :-)
> -- 
Do not put the down payment on the boat quite yet, consider the source of  
that quote is from VP of a major NeXT consulting firm.  Right now their  
may be a short supply of quality NeXT programmers but it does not take  
much in resources for a company to train a good programmer into a NeXT  
programmer.  That is when you will know NeXT is being successful because  
corporations would be willing to put their own resources into the  
platform.  For NeXT to be successful we are going to need to have  
full-time NeXT programmers and NeXT teams inside of corporations.  
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From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann)
Subject: Re: 100 Mips Intel NeXT (processor comparison)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:07:26 GMT

clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman) writes:

>If you have a toy benchmark like Dhrystone or Whetstone, you can fit it
>all in the primary cache of the Alpha. (Or even the little caches on the

Who would use such toy benchmarks.  Follow Byte and use Sieve instead.
:-)  (for to serious readers)

   --mj
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From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Richard Page resigns ...
Date: 10 Jan 1993 02:06:22 GMT
Organization: Univ of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: mindseye.berkeley.edu

From San Francisco Chronicle Business Section B2, Jan 9, 93.

Co-Founder Resignes Post At Next Inc.

Richard  Page, a co-founder with Steven Jobs of the computer maker
Next Inc., resigned as general manager of hardware yesterday,
increasing speculation that the company was moving to become
a software publisher.

Page, who was one  of the principal hardware engineers at
Apple Computer Inc. involved in the design of the original
Macintosh computer, joined Jobs and four others in leaving
Apple seven years ago to found Next.  Since then, three
of the original founders have left the company, leaving
only Jobs and George Crowe.

A company spokeswoman said that Page had left for "personal
reasons" and that she did not know his plans.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Posted without comment.  If anyone has statements or
press releases about this, please post.


-- 
Izumi Ohzawa             [ $BBg_78^=;(B ]
USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
Telephone: (510) 642-6440             Fax:  (510) 642-3323
Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu   (NeXTmail OK)
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Portable NeXT?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:22:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pundit.cithep.caltech.edu

In article <1hlbd1INN1r3@GOLEM.MATH.YALE.EDU> saito-naoki@math.yale.edu (Naoki  
Saito) writes:
> Dear NeXT experts,
> I'm interested in having NeXT capability on the note book computer.
> Is there any plan for NeXT Inc. to introduce a not book NeXT in the near
> future? Or it's better to wait for NeXTStep on 486 and buy 486-based note
> book computer?
> I would appreciate any comments and suggestions.

I believe the official situation is this, based on the FAQ and the SCaN meeting  
we had here discussing it.

- NeXTSTEP will be 'possible' to run on '486 portables with sufficient memory  
and drive space, probably only SVGA (grayscale).

- It is not recommended, as it will have no power-saving or safe-shutdown  
features

- a 'portable-friendly' version will be available in late 1993

This will almost certainly be the only portable option available in '93.  A  
NeXT/Canon portable won't happen until after Nitro, NS Pentium, and the NRW are  
already out.  Maybe 1994.  Same with ports to other hardware.  There is no such  
thing as an 'easy' port.

- Ernie P.

--
Ernest N. Prabhakar                  Caltech High Energy Physics
Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
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From: greimann@ravel.udel.edu (John B Greimann)
Subject: Re: End of NeXT
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:47:28 GMT

>>
>>Question:  can you print full page graphics on an HP LaserJet with
>>no memory?
>
>
>	Doesn't matter.  You can get a 300DPI IIIP *with* the processor,
>	engine and enough memory to do full page graphics for less 
>	than the edu cost of a NeXT laser printer.  If you want 
>	600, it'll be about $350 more then the NeXT, but that'll 
>	come down.  

Sorry, bad comparison!  I had one of these beasts connected to my (replaced by
a NeXT) 486.  By the time I had bought 5 megs of memory and a paper tray for
it and realized that it still damn slow (on a 16 meg 486-33!!! i.e. taking
minutes to print what the NeXT just whips out) I junked it and bought a NeXT...
All of this on NEW (last spring) technology...I seem to recall the NeXT laser
printer being designed in the late '80s...I believe mine says 1988 something
on it...400DPI, 8PPM...hmmmm, makes me wonder what HP's been up to.  Oh, and the
 price of the HP?  It was $1050 for the printer, another $180 something for 
memory, and $100 for the paper tray.  The IIIP was slow, loud, and left envelope
s looking like they'd been through a paper-shredder.  4PPM, 300DPI (Ok, 
Resolution Enhancement hack helps)...still, no comparison.

Maybe you should try the LaserJet 4 instead...now how much is it with ethernet
, memory, and the Postscript module?  600 DPI would be nice, though!

>
>	If these companies can offer *smart* printers with memory
>	for about the same price as the NeXT LP, doesn't that say
>	something about NeXT's policy towards it's customers?
>	(read: price gouging.  they could sell the sucker for $400
>	and still be making 100% profit)

Hey, why not design it properly from the start?  A 486 should have enough power
to crunch out full page graphics without the printer needing memory and a  
processor!  Ok, on a 286, maybe share the load, but on high end Macs and PCs,
come on! 


>
>-- 
>      Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
> ---  boycott == coercion == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice  ---
>	      "Psalms 23:1  The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."  
>		Shepherds are for sheep.   -----      Pain teaches.

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From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXT may not be doomed yet, but I sure have a lot of goose-bumps.
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:38:49 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc.

In article <1993Jan5.211623.15279@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
wag1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.wagley) wrote:
> 
> In article <C0E0Lx.2C7@cs.mcgill.ca>, samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes:
> 
> The article doesn't name specific platforms, but lists leading candidates
> as: SPARC, PA-RISC, Alpha AXP and PowerPC.
> 
> It goes on to state that NeXT has already settled on a RISC platform for
> it's own systems. Of course they won't reveal which.
> 

A couple weeks ago PCWeek had a special section reviewing new 32-bit
operating systems.  I was *really* glad to see that they included NeXTSTEP
as a contender.  Anyway, in an interview with Bob Lawton they were asking
about what hardware platforms were going to be supported in the coming
year.  Lawton's response was that in the 1993 timeframe, NeXTSTEP would be
seen on "about 5 or 6" different hardware platforms.  I figured this meant:

68040
68060 (maybe these would be considered one)
486
88110 (with Data General)
And some other RISC platform(s)

Doesn't leave room for too many if Lawton's statements are accurate.

Paul
.........................................................................
Paul Marcos                                                (415) 966-0873
Kaleida Labs, Inc.                                     marcos@kaleida.com
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From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Gotham Users of NeXT (New York City) January Meeting Agenda
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:35:52 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

Gotham Users of NeXT (New York City) January Meeting Agenda 


WHEN:    Wednesday, January 13th
WHERE:   Electronic Directions, 220 East 23rd Street, Suite 503, New
         York City


I. Q&A - 18:30 (6:30PM)
Questions.  Answers.  News.



II.  Board Elections - 19:00 (7:00PM)

Elections for various Gun Board postions.
President will elected at this meeting.
Come and have your voice heard in the Election process.
We're Looking for a few good Volunteers to join the Board.



III.  Virtuoso and PasteUp - 20:00 (8:00PM)

John Budacovich - DeskTop Publishing and Graphics Guru.
He will demonstrate Altsys drawing package Virtuoso.
Virtuoso is said to be NeXTs premier drawing package.
Also he will demonstrate RightBrain's PasteUp.
For desktop publishers who have faced a choice between the
easy-to-use pasteboard approach of PageMaker and the precise
typographical control of QuarkXPress, PasteUp offers the best of both
worlds.

Electronic Directions
220 East 23rd Street, Suite 503
212-213-6500

Questions to GUN at 718-260-9848 or email: info@gun.com
From: jacobsen@tpki.toppoint.de (Joerg Jacobsen)
Subject: NS 486 late, no port to SUN
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 12:36:21 GMT

This is what "Computer Woche" (german version of Computerworld)
says in their Dec. 25 issue:

NEXT TO JUMP ON 486 TRAIN AS LATE AS END OF 1993

SAN MATEO (CW). Steven Jobs can't get development system NS486 to
market before end of '93 says british information service 
"Computergram".  Contrary to original plans the 6 month long beta
testing period for the 486 PC version won't be initiated before
May '93.  Due to a statement of company head Jobs Nextstep's only
port will be to the PC, especially no port is intended for SUN's
SPARC stations.

end of article.

Joerg Jacobsen.
-- 
Joerg Jacobsen			jacobsen@tpki.toppoint.de (NeXTmail)
W-2300 Kiel			Voice:	(+49) 431 805467
Germany				Fax:	(+49) 431 553623
From: fxg@clustrol.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Felix Gatzemeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: GO LOW/MID END I SAY
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:03:58 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
NNTP-Posting-Host: clustrol.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

shanega@athena.mit.edu (Shane G. Artis) writes:

>>
>>>NeXT 3.0 is NOT slow!  I am running it OK on my 030 cube with 24 Mb RAM
>>>and it's fine there even though it's not recommended for the 68030!  This
>>>machine even acts as an NFS server for my PC!  
>>
>>>I wish my SUN IPC would perform as swiftly!
>>
>>>NOT SLOW
>>
>>Taking IconBuilder as a part of NS 3.0, make the following test:
>>
>>1) quit as much apps as you can.
>>2) Run IconBuilder on some resonable image (loginwindow-format, e.g.)
>>3) get the obese bits window
>>4) enlargen it o it covers some interesting portion (about one of the blank spaces)
>>5) try to move parts of it with the block tool.
>>
>>On my 040/25/8 station, performance dropped to sub-zero. No disk activity and still
>>20 sec. response time for mouse clicks. Call that NOT SLOW. Hey, I had a ZX Spectrum
>>in the old days that zorched compared to that, doing the same thing!

>Give me a break!  Hell, I've got a Super Nintendo that blows my
>Nextstation out of the water in high-speed graphics.  On ANY machine
>in the world you can come up with a test the machine will not pass.

That was less of a test than some work I wanted to do. I do understand that there's
a lot of IconBuilder involved, too. I posted this because I'm enraged about not
supporting Icon any more (my 3.0 Upgrade snatched it off my disk behind my back).
Even more so, they should have come up with a better solution for the icon-building
problem.

>But test-for-test, my NeXT performs generally faster than the Sparc
>IPC that I use at school.  If you want to talk about arbitrary tests
>on an individual basis, I could do a convolve operator in Mathematica
>on the school Sparc and grind the machine to a swapping halt that my
>NeXT would finish in seconds.

>I don't usually get drawn into flame-bait like this, but the earlier
>poster was right - the NeXT does feel faster than a similarly
>configured Sparc.  The later poster gave us a clear documentation of

I wasn't talking about sparcs. I was just saying that I feel that 3.0 is slower than
2.0 was, the above being an example of freeze behaviour. If the sparc is slower than
the next on everything You want to do: fine. I like to hear such things.

>everything that's wrong with computer benchmarks today by coming up
>with a terrible one himself.

>Shane

Well, I think it's not the benchmarks that are evil. They're in this world to
give you comparisons on selected features. When evaluating benchmarks, you weigh
the ones using the features you need more than the others. If Mathematica's convolve
is what you do and IconBuilders ObeseBits are what I dom then we'll come to different
conclusions.
So I think all posters are right: NeXTs are faster than suns in what shane and the
   first posters use it for, but IconBuilder sucks and NeXT should support Icon if
   they want to ship a bitmap editing program.

 :) Felix
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From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: End of NeXT - printer version
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:21:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.064430.8911@niftyneato.com> hal@niftyneato.com(Hal Fox-Palmer) writes:
>It is remarkable indeed ! I wouldn't go back to the either of the two  
>PostScript (cpu & mem.) printers I owned before the NeXT printer.
>
>Yes yes yes, other printers are catching up and in some cases (HP4 & 4M)  
>surpassing the NeXT Printer but what would you think if NeXT came out with  
>a 11x17 800 dpi printer for under $3000.00 ? Would you buy one, I would.
>Or how about just a 8.5x11 800 dpi printer. Canon has the engines and the  
>Adobe license allows up to 900 dpi.
>
>So what do you think, lets speak up I WANT A NEW NeXT LASER PRINTER !!


	If I'm right, you couldn't use it.  You are *locked* at 400dpi.

	Argument:  The NeXT printer port delivers a steady data stream
	to thelaser engine.  I suspect (does anyone have the hardware
	specs?) that it *could not be used to drive a higher res 
	engine*.  



-- 
      Blaming "society" for your problems is like blaming clouds for rain.
 ---  boycott == coercion == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice  ---
	      "Psalms 23:1  The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."  
		Shepherds are for sheep.   -----      Pain teaches.
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: End of NeXT - printer version
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:14:12 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com


Yamanari writes

> 	If I'm right, you couldn't use it.  You are *locked* at 400dpi.
> 
> 	Argument:  The NeXT printer port delivers a steady data stream
> 	to thelaser engine.  I suspect (does anyone have the hardware
> 	specs?) that it *could not be used to drive a higher res 
> 	engine*.  

I'm no hardware guy, but I don't think you're right about this.  It's
a video connection, I think.  It already handles both 300dpi and 400dpi
depending on which you ask it to do, so it must be capable of variable
data rates.

I, too, would love to see a higher-resolution black-and-white printer,
or even more importantly, a larger format (11x17).  But we love our
400dpi printers, too.

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California		Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
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From: pfkeb@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul F. Kunz)
Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP development opportunities
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:07:28 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:10:21 GMT, jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) said:

> Do not put the down payment on the boat quite yet, consider the source of  
> that quote is from VP of a major NeXT consulting firm.  Right now their  
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   I have the impression that Pencom (the firm refered to) was in
business as a UNIX consulting firm long before they got involved with
NeXT consulting.   In fact, isn't their co-Xist product a result of
consulting contract with some clients?
--
Paul F. Kunz	pfkeb@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT mail ok)
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University
Voice: (415) 926-2884   (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
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From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ...
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:31:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.183535.28465@wam.umd.edu>
	rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	Gasp--supposesomeone bought NeXT.  I know what I would considerthe
>	worst possibility.  

Someone like ... NOVELL???

					-=EPS=-
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