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From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Salaries
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

Does anyone have any ideas on how the way salaries are determined
in the NFL could be changed?

The NFL has a big problem in that first round draft picks get 
million dollar contracts before they even play a down in the NFL and
amny of them turn out to be complete failures.

On the other hand, middle round picks sign for relatively few dollars,
and they can develop into pro bowlers. 

Quarterbacks are vastly overpaid, even if they are backups. 
Some may argue that QB is a more important postion, but it goes
farther tha that. For example, rookie David Klingler just signed for
more than teammate and Hall of Famer Anthony Munoz has ever received.
Klingler is not even expected to start in return for his wages for
several years. This kind of nonsense causes dissension on teams.

Using Klingler again, who I supsect may be a bust like his predecessor
at Houston, Andre Ware, both Jay Novacek, and Jim Lachey will get
less money than Klingler. Who would trade either of them for Klingler???

I would like to see all players receive only one years contracts, with
their contracts for the next season determined by an arbiter using
performance as the only criteria.
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From: psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Re: predictions
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:31:53 GMT



jjjhjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
>>In Da Bowl
>>Buffalo 42 Atlanta 17i
>                    ^^^
>So this is 17 imaginary points?  Sounds 'bout right, since this *is* an
>imaginary prediction.

>In Da Bowl
>Saints 55   Chiefs 19
        ^^
  Talk about imaginary!!  With the feeble offense they have they're lucky
  to score this many points in three games, much less one.

  ...Paul
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins Suck!
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:47:44
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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Reply-To: elm@cs.berkeley.edu
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In-reply-to: 's message of Monday, 31 Aug 1992 15:08:44 CDT

In article <92244.150845U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
=>In article <ELM.92Aug29203322@terrorism.berkeley.edu>, elm@cs.berkeley.edu
=>(ethan miller) says:
=>>
=>>I, too, was pretty dismayed by what I saw.  I can imagine the
=>>post-game tongue-lashing that the Redskins are going to get.  I just
=>>hope they can do better come next Monday night.  If not, it's going to
=>>be a long season....
=>
=>Wrongo. Just because a team does well or poorly in the pre-season does _not_
=>neccesarily mean that they'll be sucessful in the regular season.

I was dismayed by what I saw.  I didn't care about the loss --
preseason doesn't count.  I *did* care that Jim Lachey got beaten
several times, and that Rypien looked awful.  I cared that the defense
couldn't stop the Vikings' running game.  The only reason I'm not as
down on the pass rush is that Gannon has excellent mobility.
Otherwise, that'd bother me too.  I felt the same way about the
Raider game which the Skins won -- they didn't play too well.  I
just hope it's because of the limited game plan, and not because of
poor play on the Redskins' part.

ethan
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Saints News
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:29:51 GMT
Organization: Chevron


Here's the goods, and don't forget to WORSHIPMORANOW:

From: David Kaufmann  

Saints roster as of 9/1
***********************

QB (3): Hebert, Walsh, Buck
OL (8): Brock, Kennard, Hilgenberg, Dombrowski, Cooper, Port, McGuire,
...WORSHIPMORANOW....

Trapilo
RB (4): Dunbar, Hilliard, McAfee, Heyward
TE (4): Brenner, Tice, Wainwright, Stower
WR (6): Martin*, Turner, Early, Carroll, Newman, Small
...WORSHIPMORANOW....

DL (5): Goff, Martin, Warren, Wilks, Miller
LB (8): Swilling, Mills, Johnson, Jackson, Turnbull, Smeenge, Winston,
...WORSHIPMORANOW....

Williams
DB (9): Atkins, Cook*, Maxie, Buck, Legette, Jones, Lumpkin, Spencer,
Taylor
...WORSHIPMORANOW....

K (2): Anderson, Barnhardt
...WORSHIPMORANOW....

(*donUt count against roster yet)
...WORSHIPMORANOW....


Martin signs one year, ~700,000 contract. Finks said it was his fault,
trying to set up annuity to financially take care of Martin & his wife when
Martin didn't want it.
...WORSHIPMORANOW....

Development squad: Blanchard (K); Dunbar (DE) (LSU); Keim (OL); Gisard
(OL); Dowdell (WR)
...WORSHIPMORANOW....


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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tight Ends
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:57:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.174356.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:
>Could someone be kind enough to list every tight end currently playing
>in the NFL? If not, could you guys just post up on a few tight ends
>which are your favorites and why?
>
>I'm currently looking for a decent tight-end in my league and aint
>sure how to get up on them.
>
>Concrete Shoes,Cyanide,TNT,Done Dirt Cheap,Neckties,Contracts,HIGH Voltage

I don't know what the last line of your .sig is about, but trying to name
all of the tight ends could be interesting.  Here's a template we can all
fill in (and correct).  Here goes nothing...

        NFC East                                AFC East
Washington      ?                       New York          ?
Philadelphia    Keith Jackson           Miami             Ferrel Edmunds
Dallas          ?                       Buffalo           Pete Metzlars
New York        ?                       New England       ?
Phoenix         ?                       Indianapolis      ?

        NFC Central                             AFC Central
Chicago         ?                       Pittsburgn        Eric Green
Detroit         none *                  Cleveland         ?
Minnesota       Steve Jordan            Houston           none *
Tampa Bay       Ron Hall                Cincinnati        ?
Green Bay       Ed West

        NFC West                                AFC West
San Francisco   ?                       Los Angeles       ?
New Orleans     ?                       Kansas City       ?
Atlanta         none *                  Denver            ?
Los Angeles     ?                       Seattle           ?
                                        San Diego         ?

* Run-n-Shoot.
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: STEELERS (and other starting QBs)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:26:14 GMT

In article <gedVQwi00WDKI8Endz@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Since we've recently had an influx of returning students who haven't yet
>paid enough attention to find these things out, here's as complete a
>list of starters as I can come up with.
>
>Buf:	Kelly
>NYJ:	O'Brien
>NE:	Millen 
>Mia:	Marino
>Indy:	George (I seem to recall hearing he was hurt.....?!)
                          Yes, he his hurt. Trudeau maybe?
>Pit:	O'Donnell (yes, it's official)
>Cle:	Bernie
>Cin:	Boomer
>Hou:	Moon (yes, he signed)
>Den:	Elway
>KC:	Kreig
>SD:	Gagliano (yes, it's official)
>Sea:	Stouffer (is it official, yet?) Yup.
>Raid:	Schroeder
>Skins:	Rypien
>NYG:	(can't remember his name---not Simms) Hostetler, but Simms might start
>Phoe:	(can't remember his name) Rosenbach
>Dal:	Aikman
>Phil:	Cunningham
>Det:	Peete
>GB:	Majkowski
>Chi:	(can't think of his name) Harbaugh
>TB:	Testaverde
>Min:	Gannon
>SF:	Young
>NO:	Hebert
>Atl:	Miller (I think)
>Rams:	(can't remember his name either, but you know who he is)
        Everett of course. How the mighty have fallen.

>
       --salty
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas releases Daluiso
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:02:12 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

Subject says it all.  For now, Lin Elliot is the only place kicker the
Cowboys have.

Daniel Welch
From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings' Stats
Keywords: vikings cleveland game stats
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:54:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug25.154551.26000@unislc.uucp> jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:
>
>I will post more on the Minnesota-Cleveland preseason (emphasis on
>"pre") game later, but here are the stats:
>
>      Vikings ....................7  28  14  7 - 56
>      Cleveland ..................0   0   0  3 -  3
>
>      first quarter
>      Min-A. Carter 47 pass from Gannon (Reveiz kick), 3:15
>      second quarter
>      Min-Gannon 2 run (Reveiz kick), 1:41
>      Min-Craig 24 run (Reveiz kick), 13:05
>      Min-Lee 58 interception return (Reveiz kick), 14:16
>      Min-A. Carter 52 pass from Gannon (Hail Mary!) (Reveiz kick), 15:00
>      third quarter
>      Min-Nelson 5 run (R. Anderson kick), 5:03
>      Min-West 2 run (R. Anderson kick), 8:00
>      fourth quarter
>      Min-West 4 run (R. Anderson kick), :42
>      Cle-FG Stover 36, 7:31
>      A-55,775
>
>      Team statistics                   Vikings          Browns
>      First downs ..................         29              10
>      Rushes-yards .................     48-174           14-46 
>      Passing yards ................        303              72
>      Return yards .................         66               0

How did Cleveland end up with zero return yards with all those kick-offs
they received????

>      Comp.-att.-int. ..............    22-25-0         11-23-1 
>      Sacks-yds. lost ..............        0-0            4-32
>      Fumbles-lost ..................       0-0             3-3
>      Penalties-yards ..............       7-71            6-44
>      Time of possession ...........      39:23           20:37

===============================================================================
Matt Brockman              NFL: Go Steelers!            mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
                            WL: Go, Go, Glory!
                           AFL: Go Thunderbolts!
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Ken Swilling info wanted
Keywords: Bucs, Swilling, cut?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:54:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.124607.3389@bbt.com> slh@springfield.UUCP (Scott Horn) writes:
>I'm not surprised that Ken Swilling is doing little in the Buc's camp.  
>
>hype around Swilling overshadowed the superior play of guys like
>Marco Coleman and Willie Clay, both of whom played their hearts
>out every game.
>
>I won't be surprised if the Bucs cut Swilling either.
>
We just saw Marco down in Joe Robbie  play the Buccaneers last night and
he is a very,  very, impressive football player.  He got dinged, but all
reports are he will be ready  come opening day.  Vinny continues to play
well for Sam in preseason,  but he has to  "do it" when it counts to get
the monkey off his back.  Last night, he had this one play where Coleman
wraps him up for the sure sack.  Vinny takes his free hand and gives him
a shot in the chops, spins away,  keeps his balance, and gets a seven or
eight yard completion to his valve guy. It was amazing.  Later, the kids
threw enough INTs and fumbled enough to drop the game, but so what?  Ken
Swilling?  They may keep him past this Tuesday's cuts, they may not, but
I see no reason to believe he has a prayer of making this team.   What a
waste.
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: POOL - Picks for Preseason Week #5 -- DUE THURSDAY!!!! (REPOST)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:29:43 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Preseason Week 5
----------------

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 4:30pm PST (11:30pm GMT) on Thursday, Aug 27. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Do not remove anything below this line!

 WT  Away                       Home
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[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Philadelphia
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] Miami at Baltimore, MD
[  ] [ ] LA Rams		[ ] San Diego
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Cincinnati
[  ] [ ] Cleveland		[ ] Tampa Bay
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] Dallas
[  ] [ ] Buffalo		[ ] Atlanta
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] San Francisco
[  ] [ ] Indianapolis		[ ] Kansas City
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Denver
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] LA Raiders
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] Pittsburgh
[  ] [ ] Minnesota		[ ] Washington
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] Green Bay at Milwaukee

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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: Giants QB situation
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:52:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.192626.14089@Princeton.EDU>,
hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:

>In article <67530@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>>
>>I heard, I think on ESPN, that because of a nagging injury, Phil Simms will
>>start this weekend instead of Jeff Hostetler.  Anybody else heard this or can
>>confirm this?

>Ray Handley has explicitly stated that the media would not know who
>would start till game time. From NY times and The Times, I understand
>that Phil Simms has been looking great even in practice whereas Hoss has
>been throwing poorly and will need time to get in to a rhythm. My hunch
>is that Phil will start and Ray Handley would not like to expose his
>'pet qb' to the 49er rush.

>Ramesh Hariharan

I would say that Handley would like to give the Hoss' more time to
heal. And from past experience, I can't remember Hoss' having much
success against the 49ers, but Simms on the other hand has had
relatively good success throughout his career.
Anyways, what 49er pass rush? :->
                                                    Tony
                                                 GO 49ERS!!!
From: miller@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Phil Miller)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:28:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Cunningham hurt??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

In rec.sport.football.pro, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

> In article <1992Aug24.070048.183@tol-ed.com>, mcdonel@tol-ed.com (LILLIE MCDONEL) writes:
> > Is there any truth to the rumor that Cunningham got hurt /pulled a muscle in 
> > Sunday's game against Atlanta??????  If it is true.  What is the status of his
> > condition????

> Yes, Randall left the game in the first quarter with a pulled groin.  The
> injury is not severe, but he will sit out Thursday's game with the Jets
> to rest.  Jim McMahon was named the starter for the Eagles final preseason
> game.  Randall will be ready to go when the Eagles open the '92 season
> against the New Orlean Saints.

          I thought Randall's timing looked way off vs Atlanta.  I'm
suprised he won't be getting more real time work before the Saint game.
         
          Also, where were Barnett and Williams last Sunday?  Seems
like it may take till mid-season for RC to regain the chemistry he had
with these guys and Keith Jackson.  In the meantime, don't count on the
ground attack.  The OL still looks awful (Antone Davis vs Rickey Jackson
time a'comin) and Mr. Walker still doesn't look like he wants to hurt himself.

        Atlanta popped some good runs over old 99's position.  Look for  
the Saints to do some of the same with their big OL and improved RBs.
Eric Allen/Ben Smith will be sorely missed against good passing Os.
And where was Byron Evans in the Falcon game?  

        However, I think the Eagles will beat the Saints either 
because Hebert will make a major boo-boo, or because Randall will
rally them in the last minute with a big play.

                                                Phil
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe Montana and other QB's
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:58:48 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <Bu0q56.GEs@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v118jxyk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Live Fast, Die Young!) writes...

> 
>	Does everyone rememebr how Roger Starbaugh(sp) went out of the
>game.....with a pass to his own lineman and 20 flags thrown in his face.  I
>think that Joe Montana should retire going out as a well respected QB, rather
>than be known as someone who kept wanting to play, even if he was physically
>unable to do so.  This idea that he is going to come back and start again like
>the years when he won the SB's is not very likely, and even if Joe Montana does
>return, alot of people will remember this incident of him not allowing the
>younger generation to play, and it will ruin what has otherwise been a very
>good career.  I think that Montana is one of the best QB's of all time, but why
>doesn't he just go out of the game gracefully instead of trying to make an old
>timers comeback. 

A couple of failed (assuming he does fail) comeback attempts are not 
going to tarnish Montana's career.

Bart Starr was a backup for the last 2 years of his career.  He'd come 
off the bench when the starting QB got hurt or when he was having a 
bad day and he played very well.  In fact, some of my fondest memories 
of Starr are games in which he came off the bench to lead a comeback.

The decision on Montana's future with the 49ers is in the hands of the 
right people - Montana himself and George Seifert.  When and if 
Montana gets healthy, Seifert, not Montana, will be responsible for 
deciding if he can help the team.  This is just as it should be.
And if he does come back, Montana may very well be a backup.  There's 
no shame in that.

JGH
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From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Icky Woods
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:29:23 GMT

From article <1992Sep1.045559.22501@odin.corp.sgi.com>, by dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness):
> In article <Derek_Juntunen.07od@abcd.Houghton.MI.US>, Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
> |> Whatever happened to Icky Woods?
> |> 
> |> -- Via DLG Pro v0.995
> 
> Cut by the Bengals a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> DH

Actually I think he was waived at the end of last season and was never
in training camp this season.  Ickey started a promising comeback from
his first knee injury only to have his other knee injured the first
day of training camp last year.  Woods never regained his speed or
mobility after that and looked pretty bad when he attempted to return
late last year.  

As far as I know he didn't attend any training camps this year.  I
don't know if he's given up for good or is just in training.  A recent
USA Today article referred to him as being "out of football."  It's a
real shame.


"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: FFL DRAFT ORDER!!!!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:47:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

(DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>  The moment you have been waiting for......
>  
>                       1992 FFL OFFICIAL DRAFT ORDER
>
>       1. Virginia Vigilantes
>       2. Houston Hurricanes
>       3. Washington Nationals
>       4. Colorado Avalanche
>       5. Los Angeles Rioters
>       6. Baton Rouge Black Plague
           ^^^^^ ^^^^^

Finally a professional organization in God's country.

The Plague ROOLZ!
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Lion backup RB's???
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep1.170544.1738@seq.uncwil.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:16:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.170544.1738@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:

   nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI) writes:

   >In article 10675@bnr.ca, chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis) writes:
   >>
   >>Hey Ron, (or anyone else who knows)
   >>
   >>Who are the Lions going to use at running back besides Barry? With Dozier
   >>playing baseball I see that they cut their 11th round pick Tillison. He was
   >>the last guy I had heard of on the roster. Are they planning on picking 
   >>someone else up or or they set with what they have? (And who do they have?)

   >Last year they had some guy named Overton.  Don't know if he got cut or not
    though.
   >nate

   Overton was signed by the Eagles via plan B. He didnt even survive the cut
   to 60. I dont know where he is now...

I just read that Tillison was cut.  Is there *anybody* behind Barry?

Bill
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