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From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: KO'ed by Oprah! (was somethingorother)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.230334.2924@osf.org> kenny@osf.org
(Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>............................................
>
>Anyways, I guess one day Oprah had on "Older Women and Their Younger Men Who
>Won't C*mm*t (sorry) To Them", so I get presented w/this ultimatum. So, like
>any self-respecting hey-I-haven't-lived-yet,-what-the-hell's-up-with-you-why-
>you-wanna-ruin-a-good-thing Cold Hearted Brother (tm), I did my best Jesse
>Owens and bailed.
>.................................

Now I don't feel so bad about being "nailed" by ESSENCE!
You see, I had a relationship that I thought was going
more-or-less okay, when my SO read an article in ESSENCE
about "Ten Ways to Tell if Your Man Really Loves You",
or something like that.  The article included things like:

	Does he know your favorite color?
	Does he know your innermost feelings?

... and a number of other things that come under the rough heading
of does he know/do "all of those little things that mean so much"?

So anyway, homegirl starts quizzin' me on her favorite color, innermost
feelings, etc., and decides that our relationship is doomed because I
did not know such things about her.  The "Kid" was blindsided!  I responded,
in part, that I did not know my mother's favorite color either, and that
I really didn't think that knowing my SO's favorite color was "essential
(as in "make or break a relationship") knowledge", and further, that if I
felt that I "just had to know" because I wanted to surprise her with something,
for instance, that I would simply ask her mother.  I also told her that
I did not feel the need for an "FBI dossier" on somebody in order to know
how I felt about them, and further, that if there were something that she
thought I should know about her, or do for her, then she could simply
tell me about it, or ask me to do it, instead of expecting me to be a
mindreader.  In case you were wonderin'.... homegirl was havin' 
_none_ of it.  To make a long story short, we broke up, she started seeing
somebody else, and I started lookin' for somebody else.  After a few months
she started calling me again.  It turned out that "Jodey" (ficticious name,
folx) was a bigger pain-in-the-butt than I was.  She further confided
that I was easier to get along with than anybody else that she had been
involved with (but swore that if I told anybody, that she would denigh it).
Now she wanted me back, but by this time, I was seeing somebody.

Keith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: The origin of AIDS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:18:47 GMT


Several posters have argued that the effort needed to "engineer"
the HIV virus could not have been undertaken before the first 
occurrences of the disease in the late 1950s.

It should be noted that, approximately 50 years ago, the U.S.
government set up a massive research effort to devise a way of killing
people in large numbers. The very best scientific minds in the nation
were recruited and whisked away to an isolated desert laboratory.
Within a few weeks, these scientists were working well beyond
the sphere of known and published results in an arcane discipline. A
vast administrative and industrial system was set up. Billions of
dollars were spent. ALL THIS WAS DONE IN TOTAL SECRECY. It was 
wartime, and the cause was perceived to be just, but still...is it
possible? - sure it is!


Stefan

P.S. Personally, I don't think for one second that the govt had
anything to do with HIV.  Not because it isn't conceivable (see
above), but because I don't believe that there is a single person 
with any power or responsibility in this nation, who believes that
black people should be mistreated or killed.
From: bbe001@acad.drake.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Blacks adopting whites?
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:16:41 GMT
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

While reading the post (David Condon: black children with white foster
parents?), I was wondering has there ever been a black family that's adopted a
white child? Has anyone read or heard anything about this? I'm just cuirious,
and would like to know how it worked out, etc. etc. If anybody has any info on
this, please post it. Thanks.

B.E.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: cito gaston: first af-am manager to win world series?
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:51:07 GMT

     Last night CNN reported that Cito Gaston has
been offered a three-year contract by the Toronto
Blue Jays. This is the first time that Toronto has
offered any manager a multi-year contract.

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Reggea Not Jamaican?
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:25:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: pmmst8@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

From pitt.edu!drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!rit!isc-newsserver!ritvax.isc.rit.edu!KLM3298 Wed Nov 11 23:23:47 EST 1992

In article <9412@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>...deleted
>Hey, hey, yo dude! Acknowledge and enjoy, dont expropriate. Reggea IS jamaican
>music. Even all the off-shoots you have mentioned are Jamaican. Reggea is as
>Jamaican as apple pie is American, and perhaps more than english is English.
>

Regg*ae* is NOT Jamaican music.  To say that would mean (IMO) that only
Jamaican people listen to it, and only Jamaican people create it, and that just
simply is not the case.  I am not Jamaican, and I listen to reggae music, and
all the artists that create it are not Jamaican.  IMO, that is just a term that
was put on reggae by people who know little about the music to label it for
their own use or personal benefit, the same way some mail order music clubs
used to(and perhaps some still do) put R&B and rap under the label "Black
Music".  

>The fact that other people have come to like it can not and will not diminish or
>alter this fact. I don't know why it is so difficult yo the Jamaican music stylewhen referring to Reggea. 
>
>I suspect that this is the way Rock Music was lost.  I pbserved this awhile ago
>on another newsgroup where the common denominator was a love for Reggea music.
>There the posters were beleagured to acknowledge the Jamaican nature of Reggea.
>When I brought this up they chose to dwell on the fact that since the music is
>loved and played by many people of all races, it can no longer be narrowly 
> credited to one country or culture.

If this is what you believe, you are contradicting what you said earlier about
reggae being Jamaican music.  As far as the parallel between this being the way
rock music was lost, with all the underground artists that make reggae what it
is, I doubt it will ever be lost.

>
>I realize the love that many people have for this music. The truth is that it
>is and will remain a distinctively black Jamaican thing. And we would be well
>advised to love and play it as such.

Take out that word "Jamaican" and I agree with that statement 100%

>
>Makala

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: MAGIC (was Re: Whoopi and Ted Danson)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:17:05 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov7.032707.12599@wam.umd.edu>,
lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>Magic's comments on NBC Today with Bryan Gumbel went something
>like "Now, we know that a 6'9" Black Man playing basketball does
>not do that.  If I did that, how could I hide it?  WE (black
>people) would know instantly."
>
>Sad.
.
.
I say, pathetic.  When I first saw him on "Arsenio", after his
announcement, he was presenting this variation of the above, and I
was put off by the homophobia implied.  What if 6'9" brothers do do
the do to each other? They are still brothers.

Magic, if you're out there, know this.
Black people would blind themselves to the evidence of your
bisexuality.  Simply because you are Magic Johnson.  Even if Black
people knew for sure, we would force ourselves NOT to know ...  >
.
.
I know the telling wheel would go round the world on that one, but
he would still be Magic, except to a few guys who think simply
hiking up their pants proves they are men.

>Tell the truth.  If you are, fine.  If you're not ...
.
.
Word.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Subject: minnesota cross burni
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:28:26 EST

Here is a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.

 Man Pleads Guilty in Minnesota Cross Burning Case
 To: National Desk
 Contact: Amy Casner of the U.S. Department of Justice,
          202-514-2007

   WASHINGTON, Nov. 4  -- The U.S. Department of Justice
announced today that Arthur Morris Miller III pleaded guilty to
conspiring to intimidate and threaten a St. Paul African-American
family by burning a cross on their lawn.
   John R. Dunne, Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Civil
Rights Division, and U.S. Attorney Thomas B. Heffelfinger of
Minneapolis said the indictment, returned Oct. 21, by a federal
grand jury in Minneapolis, charged Miller with one violation of
USC 18, Sec. 371.
   The charge is based upon Miller's role in the conspiracy
with un-named co-conspirators to interfere with the housing rights
of Russell and Laura Jones and their five children because of
their race.
   Miller pleaded guilty to participating in several cross burnings
on June 21, 1990, including one on the Jones' lawn.
   Miller faces a maximum penalty of one year in prison and
a $100,000 criminal fine.
   This case was investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation
and the St. Paul Police Department.
 -30-
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Clinton's In, Bushie's OUT!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:30:00 GMT

In article <6939@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>
>> Actually Powell has never let his party affiliation become known.  Since
>> his Chairman position is supposed to be free of party politics.  But, he's
>> widely believed to be a democrat.  I expect Clinton to either keep him
>> at the chairman position, or ask him to become Sec. of Defense. 
>
>If Powell gets Sec. of Defense it probably means he's a Democrat...



The Secretary of Defense has to be a civilian. 

S.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: barring@cs.washington.edu (David Barrington)
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.012133.12996@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.193236.9278@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, barring@cs.washington.edu (David Barrington) writes...
>>What's remarkable is that Brown's selection in 1988 was a concession by
>>the Dukakis forces to the Jackson forces in the course of keeping the
>>convention together.  It seems to have been a "Only Nixon can go to China"
>>thing -- only a (superbly talented) member of the "left" could unite the
>>party behind a "center-right" candidate.  Thank God (and Brown himself)
>>that it worked!
>> 
>
>Actually I thought that one of the reasons Brown was elected as chairman,
>was the fact that he was moderate. Or at least that's how he protrays himself.
>He does have some connections to the moderate Democratic Leadership Counsel.
>In fact, in interviews he says the party began moving toward the center
>since he became chairman.  Were you refering to Clinton as "center-right"?  
>In my opinion, he's very much "center-left", i.e. a centrist that leans left.
>As opposed to Bush whose a centrist that leans right ("center-right").
>
>-Chris

I agree that Clinton is "center-left" relative to the US, but I was 
referring to his being "center-right" relative to the Democratic Party
as of 1988.  I don't know whether Ron Brown had ties to the DLC before
becoming party chair, but he was widely seen as a Jackson person at the
time (though we had been some sort of high-powered corporate lawyer).

The interesting question for 1996 is whether someone like Kemp could
reunite the Republican party in the same way -- I certainly hope not.
More likely they will need some time "in the wilderness" to get subdued
enough (as our lot were this year) to put aside internal differences.

Dave MB

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape,talk.politics.guns
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:18:20 GMT


Please note the follow-up line.

In article <1992Nov10.154649.29316@rock.concert.net> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
> I find the arugment that "we
>have to protect our right to bear arms to be both flawed and funny.
>First the average citizen can`t purchase the hardware need to
>wage a war with a corrupt government...

There are over 200 million firearms in the United States, compared
to under 1 million soldiers in the federal Army. Your remark seems
quite doubtfull. 

> and second the "right to
>bear arms" was in regards to rasing a state militia. This fact
>is often left out when this issue is debated.

Not that I've noticed...
However, the Second Amendment makes on mention of "state militias."
Nor, given the political climate when it was adopted, would
any empowerment of the states have been likely. The Amendment
mentions the militia, however this does not mean the National
Guard: According the the Supreme Court, "militia" as used in
the Second Amendment means all citizens "physically capable of
acting in concert for the common defense." This is fairly close
to the definition in current federal law (10 USC 311) of all
males between the ages of 17 and 45. It also resembles the definition
provided by such framers of the Constitution as Col. George Mason
(of the Virginia Militia), "everyone, except for a few public officials."

Given this intended meaning, it is quite easy to see how the protected
right (of all people to keep and bear arms) relates to the need to
have a militia, as stated in the first clause of the Amendment.

>The fact is that
>gun purchase should be regulated in the same manner as any
>dangerous product should be regulated.                     

In the same manner? I assume you are unfamiliar with current 
gun control laws. Guns are already at least as heavily regulated
as other, equally dangerous products. (Not that is helps: 92% of
the guns used in crimes were obtained _illegally_ hand thereby 
avoided all those regulations.)

By the way, you also neglect the self-defense valuse of firearms,
which is a major reason for private ownership. According to 
FBI statistics, over 80,000 crimes are prevented by private
citizens with guns each year. (Studies suggest a number closer to 1,000,000
self-defense uses per year, with most not being reported to the
police.)

                                            Frank Crary
                                            CU Boulder
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: RE: Clinton's in Bushie's out
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:55:31 GMT

*Ms. Daniels writes:

*Let's give President Clinton a chance to show his stuff?

	Yeah, there is a lot of pressure on Clinton to create a change for the
better.  I see even more pressure being on our political system.  With a 
democratic congress and a democratic President, things should run "rather"
smoothly.  If Clinton is unable to create a better living environment both 
financially and socially for the American people, it not only proves that he
is a failure, but also our whole political system.

Chris Hill
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: getting worked up
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:28:39 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <jumper.721111864@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>,
jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
>Hey
>I said this in another post but i'll say it again in its own thread.  you
>know, i grew up in a very non-seperatist environment.  Born in NY to a
>military father, lived there awhile, moved to germany, back to maryland, then
>to virginia beach, va, now here at NCSU.  i cant personnaly relate to what
>some folks are saying.  Donald, Carl, Gabrielle, and others have evidently had
>some very dealins with white folks.  I have not...
>
>I want to know if there is anyone else out there who has not personally been
>burnt by racism.  From what my folks say, they too grew up in areas that did
>not suffer much racism. Dad in Oklahoma, 'wetbacks' were the social blight
>there. Mom in a smaller town in Alabama but without the overt strife of
>history.  So my question is, since i have not been hurt personally, am i still
>supposed to proclaim racism everywhere in the system? the system hasn't done
>me wrong yet...growing up at the mid-to-high end of comfortable has its
>distinct advantages:-)
.
.
I cannot believe that in all of your travels, you have not
experienced racism, that you still have not been hurt by racism.
Furthermore, I cannot believe that your parents would not have given
you any information on their experiences in the South or the
Midwest.  Simply because the heat was ostensibly on "wetbacks" or
the Bama community was peaceful (simply because everyone was in
place, probably), doesn't mean that certain things did not happen.
.
You're young, kiddo.  I suspect the "unlearning"--or perhaps, the
unconsciousness--is going to take time to make itself felt.
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: getting worked up
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:51:04 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: North Carolina State University

Hey
I said this in another post but i'll say it again in its own thread.  you
know, i grew up in a very non-seperatist environment.  Born in NY to a
military father, lived there awhile, moved to germany, back to maryland, then
to virginia beach, va, now here at NCSU.  i cant personnaly relate to what
some folks are saying.  Donald, Carl, Gabrielle, and others have evidently had
some very dealins with white folks.  I have not...

I want to know if there is anyone else out there who has not personally been
burnt by racism.  From what my folks say, they too grew up in areas that did
not suffer much racism. Dad in Oklahoma, 'wetbacks' were the social blight
there. Mom in a smaller town in Alabama but without the overt strife of
history.  So my question is, since i have not been hurt personally, am i still
supposed to proclaim racism everywhere in the system? the system hasn't done
me wrong yet...growing up at the mid-to-high end of comfortable has its
distinct advantages:-) 


He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:08:35 GMT

In article <Bx9HKC.FH3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker) writes:
>The title says it all.  IMHO, the event that really got Clinton's campaign
>rolling was the Dems' convention in NYC.  Remember, it was during that
>time that Clinton moved from third to first in the race, a position he was
>never to relinquish.  I think the total shock of seeing a (relatively)
>united Democratic party encouraged many Americans to give them a serious
>listen.  Ron Brown deserves a lot of credit for the convention, and in
>turn, the victory.

Definitely.

>Anyone care to speculate on the man's future?

I'm not sure whether he'll be willing to give up working the political
side after his success as the party leader, but I was impressed by
Ron Brown's discussion of the law and legal education when he gave
the commencement address at a local law school last summer.

Attorney General or Education Secretary?


-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Research internship!
Date: 11 Nov 1992 09:55:40 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Well, in keeping with Arthur Johnson's previous messages about more
black collegians into scientific research, here is the following
straight from the Palo Alto VA Medical Center, Stanford cardiology
branch faculty, to wit:
.
                      INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITY
TITLE OF POSITION:  Electrocardiogram and data interpretation for
research study.
INTERNSHIP DESCRIPTION:  The internship involves medical research.
Electrocardiographic data will be measured for changes during
exercise and drug administration.  In addition, data will be entered
into computerized data bases for analysis.  The intern will also
have the opportunity to attend medical lectures and to observe
patients undergoing cardiologic testing.  There will be
opportunities to participate in other clinical medical research
ongoing in our laboratory.  Expired gas analysis measurements during
exercise testing and computerized ECG analysis are also being
performed.  All of our research requires computers to help
accomplish our work.
COMPENSATION:  After a period of on-the-job training, commensurate
with skills.
QUALIFICATIONS:  Interest in clinical/medical research and
experience in IBM personal computers and MS-DOS is desired.
CONTACT:  Dr. Victor Froelicher or Tianna Ummann at 415-858-3932.

I suggest that only Bay Area students or folks who are going to be
attending Bay Area colleges/universities in the near future should
call or E-mail.  Good luck, people.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american