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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Brotherman (was: Black artists condemn DC)
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:21:54
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu's message of 11 Dec 92 17:19:55 GMT

ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harith Jameel Alkhafiz) writes:
|All I have to say is "Read BrotherMan"!  This is a very good comic that
|just happens to be written, drawn, and produced by Black people, the
|Sims brothers.  I find that it captures the setting (A (fictional)
|predominantly Black city very well, and it takes a somewhat more (I hate
|to say this.) realistic view of superheroing.  No one has any really
|outre powers, but it's a very good book, nonetheless.  I recommend that
|folks check an issue out.  BrotherMan, by Big City Comics.

I must admit I like this book a lot.  The first two issues had some
strained dialogue but there was a quantum leap in that department
between issues #2 and #3.  Nice plot/storyline anyway.  What held me
thru the first two issues was the art.  You could spend hours just
reading the billboards, tshirts and the small word ballons in the
background (sort of a la some old Mad Magazines).

By issue #3 (which seems to have come out several months after #2) the
writer had gotten his dialogue-act together while keeping the plot and
art as good as before.  It's funny, it's good and all that.  Well, I
like it anyway.


--
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                                               - Ayn Rand
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: c60c-3gg@web-1a.berkeley.edu ()
Subject: Re: Retcons and Dr. Doom (Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC)
Keywords: marvel doom simonson byrne retcons 
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:29:37 GMT


Just some of my own thoughts on the new costum of Doom 2099.

I always believed that Doom's old armor gives him a lot of character.
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the Doom armor looks a bit
like a medival torture device? (the Masked man with platemail)  It creates
a sense of self-discipline and bodily sacrifice that is surely required
for one who has come such a long way from a scarred man hiding in the
mountains.

The new suit in 2099 is flashy, sure, but I regrete seeing the old suit
ditched.

Just my $0.02.

						J.T.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Sucking up to the Stars!! (was Re: Why is PAD on the net?)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:20:18 GMT

In article <1h0pu7INNrjd@agate.berkeley.edu>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
> 
> 	Tim Maroney, not obnoxious? Surely you jest.

No I don't.  He liked being rude, and he was very good at it.  He was
also very intelligent, and able to use his intellect on his numerous
flames.  I learned a lot just by reading his arguments.

It's only too tragic that he wouldn't use his talents in a more
constructive way.

Now, if you want obnoxious, I submit to you Panda.  For the brief period
of time he was on rec.arts.anime, that is.
-- 
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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Superman Stolen: R Veitch condemns DC
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:12:03 GMT

Got Maximortal #3 today. Here is Rick Veitch, who was not allowed to 
finish his story at 666 Fifth Street years ago on Swampie and is doing
a damn fine job at his Bratpack and Maximortal series. I've loved his
stuff since Epic illustrated. Here Rick speaks....

Rick Veitch:

Final Note: While I was inking book five late one night, a fax came through
with Joe Schuster's obituary. Talk about spooky! There I am working on a
story about two young kids from Slumburg who created the greatest hero of
all time, and the effect it had on their liveds, when reality folds in on
itself and the inspiration for one of those kids passes on. While my fictional
creations only play upon _some_ of the actual events of Siegal and Schuster's
pathetic situation, I find myself hoping that someone, someday, will write the
definitive history of these two remarkable gentlemen. Not only did they create
one of the greatest characters of the twentieth century, who in turn spawned
a host of imitators that became a full-blown genre and kicked the form of 
modern comic books into gear, but the sad and sometimes unbelievable
situations they found themselves in because of it make for a modern fable
of epic proportions. WHile DC Comics, or Warner, or Time-Warner, will be
quick to heap praise on themselves for "taking care" of Siegal and Schuster
in their old age with $30,000 a year pensions, they don't often mention the
non-disclosure forms that these guys were allegedly forced to sign to get 
such a tiny share of the multi-billion dollar licensing phenonmenon they
created. The story of Siegal and Schuster is a tragedy, I'm afraid, and if
someone doesn't do the research soon, and get it down on film or paper or
video it will be covered over and purposefully forgotten by the corporate
interests that stole Superman from them.     -   Rick

[ note to all of those Time/Warner apologists on the net. stop defending
  these crooks ]



-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
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From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)
Subject: Attn: Greg Pallenik   (Was Re: Professional Comic Opinion Wanted -- PAD, if you're out the
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:29:52 GMT



Anyone who isn't Greg can safetly ignore this message



Bad news.  

Greg, the mail I send you keeps on bouncing back with your host
saying "User unknown"

I do want an issue of "The Comic Connection"

Can you try to e-mail me ? (is there any postage that you
require ?)

If there's no word in a few days (say the 18th) I'll mail a
letter/request to the address you gave.  My address is:

Julian Castle c/o King's College, 631 Chapel Bay, 
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada  B3H 2A1



In article <gp2001-101292201528@m248-101.bgsu.edu>, gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg Pallenik) writes:

|> Mr David
|> you haven't printed you TBC address in you BID column lately,

TBC address ?

|> Greg Pallenik
|> Publisher/President
|> "The Comic Connection"
|> 341 Chapman Hall,  Bowling Green, OH  40403

|> FREE ISSUE TO ANYONE WHO WANTS ONE!

Yours Sincerely,
	Julian Castle

///////
  o-o /
  /////////
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From: michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar)
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.224119.23762@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>	To tell the truth, I think that it's difficult to reconcile
>the two aspects of the Endless.  On the one hand, it's easy to say
>that while Death is chatting with Rainie she's also collecting the
>souls of a planet whose star went nova.  But the fact is that Dream's
>known lovers all seem to be linked to Earth

Don't forget that female on the plane with all the twinkly lights...
(SOM #1).

- michael
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Action Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:19:55 -0500 
From: Harith Jameel Alkhafiz <ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
	<1992Dec10.022429.9585@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

All I have to say is "Read BrotherMan"!  This is a very good comic that
just happens to be written, drawn, and produced by Black people, the
Sims brothers.  I find that it captures the setting (A (fictional)
predominantly Black city very well, and it takes a somewhat more (I hate
to say this.) realistic view of superheroing.  No one has any really
outre powers, but it's a very good book, nonetheless.  I recommend that
folks check an issue out.  BrotherMan, by Big City Comics.

Jameel
Physicist-At-Large
Kid Kirby, net.hero

"I like the foreshortening in BrotherMan!"--Kid Kirby :-)
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image Splits Up (was McFarlane has come a long way )
Keywords: Image, Edge, Homage
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:18:21 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE) writes:

>>
>Homage should be good, and you *know* Portacio and Silvestri will go with
>Jim.  As for McFarlane's Edge, I'm personally hoping Erik Larsen will go with
>him.  (He probably will, too.)  
>This leaves Valentino, Murray, Keown, Gordon, Ordway, and Stroman hanging
>around somewhere in the middle.  Any guesses?

I expect the groups to be Lee, Portacio and Silvestri
			  McFarlane, Larsen, Keown, Valentino
			  Liefeld, Murray + the Liefeld clones

Jed
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: DC AIDS PSAs
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:28:36 GMT

lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba):
>I also hope that DC won't get in any trouble with "morality groups"
>for aiming such information at kids...

It's just a banana...
From: leeme@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hermin Vermin II ..
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:21:31 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Dec15.043110.8695@athena.mit.edu>, murph@athena.mit.edu (Keith E Murphy) writes:
> In article <Bz25CL.34A@cs.uiuc.edu>, wesselak@sunc0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
> |> sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:
> |> 
> |> >I've read a lot of rave reviews about Hermin Vermin I, and was wondering if 
> |> >Hermin Vermin II is worth picking up.  Any comments?
> |> 
> |> *AHEM!*  The first book is called _Gregory_.  Just _Gregory_.  I'm about to run
> |> to the shop in an hour or so and scramble for my copy of _Gregory II_.  I don't
> |> know if Herman's name is in the title.
> |> 
> |> The first one was SO funny, you can bet your beans this one will be good.
> |> 
> |> Erik
> |> 
> |> P.S.  Bim! Bim!  AAAAaaahh!!
> |> -- 
> |> | "'Who did YOU sleep with to reach   | "There's been some      __| /  |__    |
> |> | the top of the food chain!?!'"      |  trouble in London"     __|<  /|__    |
> |> |  --Leonard the Roach,               |                           | \/ |      |
> |> | Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children |  Erik: wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu     |
> 
> 
> I found these posts extremely ironic, since I read them AFTER reading "Gregory
> II".  This book is more aptly defined by the end of the title "Herman Vermin's
> Very Own Best-Selling & Critically Acclaimed Book with Gregory In It"...
> I think, in fact, that the "II" in the title means that it can simply be
> referred to as "Gregory In It".  Personally, I thought this second volume was
> worth about 20% of what I paid for it (cover price is $4.95).  I think Gregory
> appeared on maybe a dozen pages.  The single Gregory story in the book was
> fantastic, but the rest of it made me wish for a return policy...
> 
> If you liked Gregory, I think you'd best look through this book before buying
> it...  Gregory II it is NOT!!!
> 
> Herman Vermin has his moments but is not fit to be a main character, IMHO.
> 
> 
> -KM

I agree.  It wasn't worth $4.95 and it got dull fast.  There were a couple
of good pieces in it, but nothing like the first Gregory.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: Rai #0
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:41:09 GMT



I would like to start an open discussion on the Valiant interview in
Wizard #17 and the new Valiant stars expected out in 92 and 93.

Throughout the interview, the valiant people kept saying "I think
everyone should re-read Rai #0.  Well I did that, very carefully.
I found that in the panel that tells of shadowmans death, that there
are new heros of the world in the group.  They are not new harbingers,
because they don't have the uniform.  Also, since Peters son defeats
Harada, who was his mother since it can't be Kris?
    
When Solar finally lets Gail die, he splits in two in the year 4001.
Does that mean he reappears in Magnus with the alter ego as a vilian?

When Aric dies and lets the X-O go, does it get recovered in Magnus's 
time period and therefore becomes a weapon against the malevolent robots?

Also, many heros die in Rai #0.  The valiant interview stated that something
may disrupt the time continuum later on.  Does this mean shadowman may not
die in 1999, or some heros may actually survive.  Also, when Peters ancestor
defeats Harada, he takes his being and places it inside of Harada.  Does this
mean the two consciences of Peters ancestor and Harada co-exist, or did Harada
die?

Just a start.  Rai #0 opens alot of doors but leaves alot unanswered.  Maybe
we can discuss this on the net.

cliff
From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sim, Gaiman defend Spawn,Image
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:36:34 GMT
Organization: Little Squidspawn of the Poor

In article <1992Dec14.171650.9338@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>In article <1gfudgINN1kg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij) writes:
>>In issue #6 of Spawn the following writers were advertised 
>>as writing in the following issues:
>>
>> #     Writer
>>---  -------------
>> 8   Alan Moore
>> 9   Neil Gaiman****
>>10   Dave Sim
>>11   Frank Miller
>
>Miller has actually agreed to do #11?  Last I heard, it was still up
>in the air.

Yeah, in Spawn #6 Todd confirms Miller will be doing issue #11 (as well as 
the poster in #8.)

Just to add something to this:

#8 (Moore) Spawn in hell. Sim mentions what Moore's hell will look like in
   the net.interview posted to this group. It's one of my questions...

#9 (Gaiman) "And Men Shall call Her Angela" is the title. Neil describes it 
   as "lots of hitting and shouting and running around." Hmmm, I thought
   this was Spawn goes to heaven. I suppose Angela is pretty close to 
   Angel, though the pictures of her don't suggest an angelic nature.

#10 (Sim) Spawn in the 10th floor of Moore's hell. Well, Spawn in limbo.
    Look for Cerebus in color on the cover. The story will do a Stairway
    to Heaven (the movie not the song) thing, starting in color and then 
    going to black and white with the arrival of Cerebus. Dave talks about
    the issue in the net.interview.

#11 (Miller) Something to do with gangs. No doubt tres grim and gritty.

-----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Yes, these boots are very heavy. No, I don't
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  want to trade hats with you. Yes, my cap is 
    My tribe know me as     |  a little faded. Hmmm, that reminds me..."
 'Dances with Dust Bunnies' |                   _Mr Peanut meets Red Cap_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Creation of rec.arts.comics.sandman replies
Reply-To: mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:09:40 GMT

 mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:

[discussion about a rac.vertigo]

|> I agree that this might actually work.  This would clean out Hellblazer posts
|> and Sandman, etc.  But what is the point?  If we did this with every title,
|> we would end up with a million different newsgroups, one for each comic.
|> What would be the point then of rec.arts.comics.misc?  My argument is that 
|> this group is meant to be a catch-all for such things as all of these posts.
|> So what if there are more Sandman posts right now?  It's just that the book is
|> popular right now.  How many "Death of Superman" posts have there been 
|> recently?  Not too many since it's no longer an issue.  When Sandman is 
|> cancelled or loses popularity, the same will happen there.  I just don't see 
|> why we should go to the trouble and waste more space.

Your argument about misc is the one that always comes up when a group 
decides to split. If there is enough traffic on another topic, then a new
newsgroup should be created. (like rac.xbooks). There should be no doubt in
anyone's mind that there is enough traffic for rac.vertigo. Topics like
classic Swamp Thing stories, Sandman speculations, Books of Magic questions,
Doom Patrol analysis, great Constantines of the past would all fit in a 
rac.vertigo.

Flame me, if you want, but send me email too, as I'm taking a break from News
for the next few weeks.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike)
Subject: Re: LNH: Drizzt's Successor Announcement
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:39:39 GMT
Reply-To: vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike)
X-Posted-From: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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In article <1992Dec18.133047.14656@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> scostain@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Sean Edward Costain) writes:
>	My God!!!
>		I didn't know, Whats the net going to be like without
>Drizzt. Arrgh, that is almost too sad a thing to occur, almost enough
>to make me go home/ but I shall survive this tragic news. Take Drizzt,
>may you one day be re-connected. :)

Be of good cheer--Drizzt will be back with us next fall!

Tori

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Any subscript/mail order places with overseas delivery?
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 01:55:39 EST

   I may be returning to Korea sometime next year.  Given the current
declining state of comic books, I'm not going to miss all that much
except...
   There's Sandman, of course (I've actually bought it from the very
first issue, when it first came out!)
    Miracleman, Cerebus, maybe Hellblazer and  definitely the Death
miniseries.
    So I would like to know if there are any trustworthy stores or
subscription services which can ship these books to me on monthly
or bi-monthly basis via surface mail (Hell, I can't afford the air
postage, or even single issue subscription postage... DC charges
about $1.25 per issue for postage overseas, and they don't offer subs
for miniseries; i.e. Death miniseries.)
Most likely, I will leave a substantial part of my checking
account in the states, so I will be paying in US funds.  I just want
to know if there are reliable services which ship overseas.
      Please e-mail, and I will put a summary of responses on the net.
 
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     I nned a lawyer for my medical bills
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     I shouldn't cry
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From: fperry@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Fred Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: End of Crisis (dc)
Summary: Is it being reversed?
Keywords: Crisis, DC
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:38:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I suppose this may need a spoiler alert, but I can't for the life of me figure
out a way to obscure only part of the screen. If you don't want to know about 
recent issues of comics, then get off now.
















I once had an argument with my local comic store manager (not a good idea since
he was also my boss) in which I claimed that the effects of the DC Crisis are
being removed. Slowly and insidiously, all the things that we lost are coming
back, sometimes in "new and improved" forms. Let me give an example or so.

In the Superman world alone, we now have the return of the Fortress of 
Solitude, the indestructable cape, Kryptonite Man, Supergirl, and others. It
was recently reported that a certain red-suited guy that runs real fast has
returned (god, I hope that wasn't too obvious), not to mention all of the JSA.
Furthermore, Black Condor and Ray have sort of returned from Earth-X. Remember
the super-villains from Earth-3 who recently showed up in a JLIQ from "another
dimension"?

Now, I am not saying that there will be an anti-Crisis, and suddenly we will
find ourselves with innumerable Earths (although this Earth would be better off
for it). What I am saying is that one of several things (or perhaps a 
combination thereof) is happening.

1. DC is still in the process of retconning all the things that they 
eliminated through the Crisis. I admit it is quite a monstrous task to redo
over 50 years worth of work, but this also leads me to . . .

2. DC's writers can't come up with original material to cover any more. I 
firmly believe that part of Marvel's success depends on the fact that they
consistently create new characters to give storylines and eventually comics
to (witness Venom). DC, on the other hand, recycles their characters by 
"updating" them. For instance, I was really disappointed by the first issues
of the new Sandman (which I immediately sold at face value--fanboys beware)
because I was expecting Wes Dodds. I wanted to cry as I tried to make the mask
for which Dream quested into the standard gas mask.

3. DC really is intent on returning all the characters from pre-Crisis to
our kindler and gentler post-Crisis world.

I realize that all of these are sort of different sides of the same idea. But 
it is somewhat disturbing nonetheless. And although I'd like to believe options
1 or 3, I think that I am leaning towards #2. Any comments?

Fred Perry
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