From: rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy)
Newsgroups: talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (28th)
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:47:36 GMT
Organization: 'Ex-Biology Grad Student, Student of Life.


I WANT ALL YOU FAGGOTS TO READ THIS AND LEARN SOME HISTORY RATHER THAN
JUST BELIEVE THE INCORRECT CRAP YOU'VE CONCLUDED FROM LACK OF HISTORY.


IN SOC.CULTURE.ARABIC


...FIRST THE MORON:
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob "I Like Little Boys" Dobson) writes:
)
)And until there is an Arab government in this area co-existing with the 
)Israeli government, they will still be in violation. regardless of what 
)the arabs do, if Israel does not allow the creation of a Palestinian state,
)they are in violation of international law.
)
)Case closed, NEXT.


...THEN THE CALM RATIONAL AND HISTORICALLY CORRECT:

ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
)
)Rob,
)
)You are obviousely miss informed.
)
)1) The original condition (refugee camps, ect...) of the population of the WB
)and Gaza are due to the Arab counties annexing the land designated for the
)Palastineans (from `48 to 67`).  The UN decreed this land was for the creation
)of the independant state of Palastine, however Jordan, Egypt et al decided 
)differently.
)
)2) Shortly after the WB/Gaza fell into Israel's domain (`67) Israel DID offer
)the Palastineans autonomy (70's).  They turned it down.  The Palastinean stance
)called for the complete destruction of Israel, no negotiations, no recognition,
)ect... . There was no one for Israel to talk to, those that listened were (are)
)killed by fellow Palastineans.  The blame for situation in the WB lies with the
)Arab leaders who have been opting for violent instead of peaceful solutions to
)to the WB/Gaza situation.
)
)3) The U.N. resolutions call for return of MOST not all land for peace.  Israel
)offer ALL the land (except E. Jerusalim) to the Arabs in the 70's for peace.
)The Arab responce was NO NEGOTIATION.  Now the stance is give us back ALL the
)land we lost and THEN we will decide whether we will give you peace. This of
)course is ridiculious.  If I want to buy your car do I say, give me you car 1st,
)then we can discuss if I am willing to give you any money? Of course if I 
)decide I do not want to pay you anything, I still get to keep your car. 
)
)Fortunately it appears as if true negotiations are starting to "break out" in
)the current round of peace talks.  Hopefully something will come of it.
)
)4) I for one did not/do not support settlements in the WB/Gaza.  However 
)consider how the lands came to Israel.  Time and time again Arab countries
)have tried to destroy Israel, not rule, but destroy.  Not govern the Israelis
)but murder them.  In 67' they lost yet another war of destruction, with it
)they lost the WB, Gaza, Sinai.  Israel traded the Sinia back to Egypt for peace.
)It OFFERED the same with the WB and Gaza but the PLO refused and continued it's
)campiagn of terrorism.  Now after offering autonomy for ~20 year the Israelis
)began offering less.  Does Arafat et al get to turn down (out of hand) a
)peaceful solution, kill countless civilians (Isreali, US, European), then after
)20+ years of terrorism say "oops, just kidding, please give me everything you
)offered in the 70s"?
)
)5) The UN resolutions called for trading land for peace.  Israel offered a land
)for peace deal and the Arabs turned it down.  If they can't get any takers why
)are they in violation of anything.
)
)6) Isn't it pretty hypocritical of the Arabs to ignore the UN resolutions that
)created Israel and Palastine, but continually point to 242/244 which calls "for
)land for peace".  They are asking for land but do not offer peace, they are 
)asking for enforcement of only the parts of resolutions that call for Israel to 
)give up land, while they do not offer to comply with the the other parts that
)direct them to give peace. 
) 
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)
))
)Ron Feigen
)ronf@panther.mot.com


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