HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: leigh@unibase.Unibase.SK.CA (Leigh Calnek)
Subject: Re: RE: BANDB:  DEOS-L
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:11:30 GMT

The McGraw-Hill project is exciting...but what I am more
interested in relates to the concept of the true electronic
library.  We should be close to being able to support
delivery of full text materials to library patrons through
on-line access.  The missing ingredient thus far would
appear to be the significant body of full text in electronic
form.  As all publishing currently begins with an electronic
version, it should be straight forward to making it readily
accessible....The big stumbling block I suspect is figuring
out a reasonable remuneration for the owners.  An electronic
library only requires a single copy...yet many can access it
simultaneously.  This would certainly change a libraries
approach to multiple copy purchases.  What I find most
interesting is that we have the technology, and we have the
text....we just don't have the text being made readily
available.  It seems to me that if we truly wish to support
learners at a distance, we must be able to provide them with
good access to full text materials...and this is where I
believe we perhaps have our greatest shortcoming.
-- 

Leigh Calnek
Internet: leigh@unibase.unibase.sk.ca
voice: 306/789-9007
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.databases
From: L.R.A.Melton@open.ac.uk (Laury Melton)
Subject: Electronic Publishing
Originator: bandb-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bandb-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:03:54 GMT

Leigh Calnek and Terry Anderson have come in with a couple of
interesting comments on the topic of electronic publishing.

The publishing world is of course already aware of the possibilities
of onward income as a result of the initial publishing via electronic
data preparation.  What they are after of course is a clear route into
the photocopying phenomenon and the Adonis project is perhaps the
major example, where some hundreds of journal titles in the biomedical
area are now being put, full text (facsimile) onto cd_rom.  This
system which can be used with pcs (lots of hard disk space needed)
comes with an accounting package that accumulates a charge every time
you take hard copy.

The accounting is obviously not as instant as the system for which
Terry has picked up the flyer.

The difference is that the Adonis system is working with already
published material that has gone through the usual review/editing
process.  The flyer seems to hint at some sort of control over
acceptable material, but looks as though it will rely much more on the
author's value of his/her own material.  Will it suffer discredit by
advertising pamphlets/books of the nature "'Make yourself
irresistible to the opposite sex' - just send $5 to..." as seen in
newspaper ads.

The library world is into electronic document supply with the Ariel
system (and others?)

Anybody ready to say what they are doing and how it might be useful to
distance educators?

Laury Melton
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.databases
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: RE: BANDB:  DEOS-L
Originator: bandb-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bandb-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:05:56 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

Date:    Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:04:43 -0600 (CST)
From:    CRMCINERNEY@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
Subject: RE: BANDB:  DEOS-L #18.
To:      DEOS-L%PSUVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

Leigh Calnek said that it should be relatively straightforward
to supply electronic versions of printed materials, however, there
are still some technical problems to contend with.

Most materials prepared for print have publishing formatting commands
built in, and for one reason or another, straight ASCII versions are
not always kept. I presume ASCII files are not kept because of storage
problems. In any case, in order to be transmitting electronic files,
the publishing formatting needs to be stripped from the documents so
that font changes, places for illustrations, graphics and other
embedded commands do not go flying over the net lines.

If you doubt that this is so, investigate the vast business that is
still being done in off-shore data entry, where people in many
countries, are being hired to do data entry for companies that are
based in the U.S. and Canada. (The latest issue of Information Today,
for example, has several large ads for off-shore data entry services.)
Using low-paid labor, companies that do a lot of online business will
have texts keyed in rather than mess with the original computerized
files that were meant for published documents.

I suppose as scanning technology becomes more sophisticated and
produces fewer errors, and when word processing technology and
the computers on which files reside can handle more storage, and
when other optical technologies are more common, files will be
more easily transmitted. To date, however, there are quite a
few barriers to the electronic library.

Of course, many of us in Distance Education have high stakes in
making the elctronic library a reality, so I fully support all efforts
to get there! Let's keep working at bringing down the barriers --
attitudinal, legal, economic and technological.

Claire McInerney
crmcinerney@stkate.alex.edu
College of St. Catherine
St. Paul, MN
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.databases
From: <KWB107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: BANDB:  DEOS-L
Originator: bandb-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca
Reply-To: <bandb-m@udevdiv.unibase.sk.ca>
Organization: Unibase Telecom Ltd.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:57:06 GMT


  - - The original note follows - -

From: dabrent@acs.ucalgary.ca
Subject: Re: BANDB:  DEOS-L #17.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 9:46:16 MST
Dan--

Do you have an e-mail address (or any contact info) for
McGraw-Hill'son-demand textbook system.  I think I would like to
get to know these people.

--
Doug Brent
Director, Undergraduate Programme in Communications Studies

Internet: dabrent@acs.ucalgary.ca
Smail:    Faculty of General Studies
          2500 University Drive
          University of Calgary
          Calgary, Alberta, Canada
          T2N 1N4
Voice:    (403) 220-5458
Fax:      (403) 282-6716
From: maierron@cuug.ab.ca (Ronald Maier 691-5109)
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.databases
Subject: Re: Data Base of these discussions
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:29:42 GMT
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group

I am sorry if this is a irrelevant question, but I have not seen any
FAQ's on these newsgroup's to explain them, as in all the bangkok
groups? I would appreciate getting the faq's or knowing where to get them.
If there isn't any could someone send me e-mail explaing the purpose
of the bangkok newsgroups and what is the Bangkok Project?

Thanks,
Ron Maier
Newsgroups: alt.education.bangkok.databases
From: smith@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Scott Smith)
Subject: Re: distance education to Prisons
Followup-To: alt.education.distance
Organization: External Studies, Murdoch University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 05:32:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.120612.1@dhvx20.csudh.edu>, walid@dhvx20.csudh.edu
wrote:
> 
> If anyone could provide information or cases where using the net
> for distance education in Prisons this would be helpful. Since our
> university will be offering a MA in humanities completly online but
> there maybe a problem for inmates who want to take the program I was
> told.

I have been delegated the role as a kind of contact person for prisons here
at Murdoch University.  Although I am relatively new to this position, I
may be able to offer you some insight to our method of assisting our
inmates who choose to take University courses.

I organise a visit to each of the metropolitan prisons once a year.  We
talk to current and prospective students, and also form an important link
with the Education Officers who are our key contact with the students.

I try to monitor the academic progress of our inmates, contacting their EO
if work is not submitted or is late.  This is usually just a short phone
call to sort out.

All in all, I try and help as best I can, and as I see fit.  If you have
any specific questions, please get in touch via email.
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
Subject: Distance testing monitoring.
From: hholter@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:12:27 PST
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

Question for distance learning program directors: How do you set up a
monitoring system at any global place to verify tests taken or entrance exams?
We have examined CLEP, ETS, etc., and they do not meet our purposes. We need to
construct our own and have it monitored at anyplace.
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
From: mstrange@alfred.carleton.ca (N E N Strangelove)
Subject: Bangkok Project
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:42:12 GMT

I've misplaced the address to subscribe to the Bangkok Project
discussion. Could someone please email it to me?

Thank you,

Natalie Strangelove
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: Foreign characters on Windows 3.1
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:23:15 GMT
Followup-To: group or e-mail

Any of you know a mechanism with Windows to use accentuation and 
special foreign characters when running WINDOWS 3.1 with a QWERTY
keyboard. 

I need to write text in French or Spanish using either the WRITE
application of WINDOWS or WORD PERFECT 5. 
I know you can switch your whole keyboard from US english to French
with DOS commands, but then, the keyboard is pretty difficult to use.

What I am looking for is more a way to define some extra keys (like
the PF keys) and have them generate the ASCII code of the characters
I need.

ANy suggestins would be welcome.

Yves


Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
From: brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Writers Wanted for Telecomm. Mag.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 01:14:54 GMT


Have you ever read a computer columnist's article and thought you could do
as good or better a job of writing?  Well, here's your chance!

Pegasus Press of Ann Arbor, MI is looking for columnists and reviewers for
CONNECT magazine.  Covering the major commercial online services,
Internet/Usenet and smaller Bulletin Board System networks, CONNECT focuses
on telecommunications from a user-oriented perspective.

User-oriented means that people who know how to get a modem connected to
their personal computer should be able to understand and follow every
article in the magazine.  CONNECT will show them month after month how to
get the most from the pay services they're using.  These include
CompuServe, Delphi, America Online, Prodigy and GEnie.  CONNECT
may also introduce them to "free" networks like FidoNet.

CONNECT will also review new telecommunications products, and deal with
complicated subjects in a clear, easy-to-undersand manner.  If you like
getting into the guts of products, and can talk about them in a manner that
doesn't put all your non-tech friends to sleep, then this could be for you!

So, if you've ever wanted to see your name in print, please request a
Writer's Guide for CONNECT magazine by emailing Patricia Snyder-Rayl at
70007,4640 on CIS, or UNICORNPUB on GEnie and Delphi, and at
brayl@nyx.du.edu on Internet.  Or, via US mail, contact Pegasus Press at
3487 Braeburn Circle, Ann Arbor, MI 48108 or call (313) 973-8825 (voice) or
(313) 973-9137 (24hr BBS).
From: daniel.furnier@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Furnier) 
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: PHONE MODIFY
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:50:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: daniel.furnier@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Furnier) 

Does anyone have any suggestions for modifying a regular phone so that
when a external modem goes off hook, the phone goes off hook?  Let me
give you a little background on this, I am writting a program to
automatically dial phone numbers for me.  I use the modem to dial the
number and after it dials, I lift my phone (which is hooked to the
external modem) up and proceed with the call.  When done, I let my
software send a atd to the modem and then I have to manually hang up the
phone.  The only idea I can think of is to somehow put a relay across
the OH light on the modem so when it lights, it open the on hook switch
of the phone!  Also, I wonder if I am legally allow to modify a phone?
Or, is there already a device to do this?  I would like to hear any
suggestions!

Dan Furnier
From: e1slkong@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: address of Malaysian Telecoms
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:34:12 ACST
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: eco.economics.adelaide.edu.au

Does anyone out there know of the fidonet or/and internet address of the
Malaysian Telecoms headquaters and/or its training unit in Kuala Lumpur?
Please e-mail to me at e1slkong@eco.adelaide.edu.au if you know of anything.
Thanking you in advance.

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From: 1012breuckma@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: PHONE MODIFY
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:14:52 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Distribution: world
Reply-To: 1012breuckma@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <652.21.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>, daniel.furnier@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Furnier)  writes:
>Does anyone have any suggestions for modifying a regular phone so that
>when a external modem goes off hook, the phone goes off hook?  Let me
>give you a little background on this, I am writting a program to
>automatically dial phone numbers for me.  I use the modem to dial the
>number and after it dials, I lift my phone (which is hooked to the
>external modem) up and proceed with the call.  When done, I let my
>software send a atd to the modem and then I have to manually hang up the
>phone. 

Some modems, the 'not cheapest' ones, already have a spare relay contact
that is used on 'multi-button' telephone systems to turn on the lamps
that show a line-in-use to all the other phones.  It's usually called
"A-lead control" or "jack type" in the manual.  Hayes new modems use 
&J0 for the default, and &J1 to turn the feature on.  When on, the
relay contacts are on the 2nd pair of the modular jack, (yellow/black),
and are closed when the modem is off-hook.
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom,comp.windows.ms
From: gould@waterloo.hp.com (Dan Gould)
Subject: Looking for Caller Display Hardware
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:40:54 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

I am looking for a hardware software package to use my Telco's
caller display feature with a PC running windows. I would like
incoming calls to be announced by a window popping up. I would also like
to give the software a list of numbers I know about so that the caller's
name will also appear.

It should interface to the PC via a serial port if possible.

Thank you in advance for any leads you may be able to offer.

--
Dan Gould
gould@arris.on.ca
From: jasko@park.bu.edu (John V. Jaskolski)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Question Regarding Telephone PARTY LINES
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:26:52 GMT
Reply-To: John_Jaskolski@cns.bu.edu
Distribution: alt.dcom.telecom
Organization: Boston University Dept. of Cognitive and Neural Systems


I am interested in building telephone bridges for party lines.
This would be a device that allows multiple callers to call in
and be "bridged" together so as to be able to all talk together
at the same time.  Ideally, the system would have several numbers
with any number of lines able to be dynamically allocated to
a given party line number.  For example, 5 people might call in
on line 1 (and be talking together), 7 people might be talking on
line 2, etc..  At another time 50 people might be on line 1 with
the teleconferencing system dynamically allocating the lines to each
number as needed.  What I am looking for is ANY INFORMATION
WHATSOEVER: chips that might be used, schematics, textbooks, vendors,
whatever.  These systems are also called Group Bridging Service (GBS)
systems and if purchased comercially they are expensive.

Thank You Very Much,
John V. Jaskolski

--
John V. Jaskolski, IMC                            Internet: jasko@cns.bu.edu
International Marketing Corp.                Bitnet: jasko%kenmore AT BUACCA
IMC of America                     UUCP: {harvard,uunet}!bu.edu!bucasb!jasko
From: IZZYNZ6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: PHONE MODIFY
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:05:47 GMT

In article <652.21.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>, on 7 Nov 92 19:50:00 GMT,
daniel.furnier@cccbbs.UUCP (Daniel Furnier)  writes:

>
>Does anyone have any suggestions for modifying a regular phone so that
>when a external modem goes off hook, the phone goes off hook?  Let me

>Dan Furnier

You relay idea sounds like your best bet for a simple modification,
although I don't completely understand why you'd want it in the first
place.  Why do you want the modem to take the phone off hook when you
will be taking the phone off hook anyway when you begin your conver-
sation?  In any case, as long as the telephone equipment belongs to
you (ei it's not being rented from the phone co), you have every right
to modify it to your heart's content.

 Eric
From: molka@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Judy Molka)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: telecom service providers in delaware
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:31:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: molka@buzzard.lis.pitt.edu

Can anyone send me information regarding: Who are the 
telecommunication service providers in the state of Delaware
area?  Who provides service for that lata besides Bell Atlantic?
And is the Bell company there called Diamond State? 

Also, are there any directories where I can look up who 
works for these companies? 

I'm interested in providers of basic telephone services.
I'm a student at the University of Pittsburgh. Thanks for 
any direction.

--Judy Molka
  molka@lis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.uu.virtual-worlds.misc
From: NVOGTEN@KUBVX1.KUB.NL (U092 774111 vogten)
Subject: Help !
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 20:04:56 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, The Netherlands
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Help !
I need to write a paper on virtual reality, and and can't find any good 
Literature ... can anyone help me ?
Plaese mail to NVOGTEN@KUB.NL
Thank you !
From: tapmak@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.uu.virtual-worlds.misc
Subject: <None>
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:20:00 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

First Finnish account on Virtual Reality was published recently
at the University of Turku. It contains articles by Simon Penny,
Erkki Huhtamo and Kari Hintikka, Interviews with Margaret Morse,
Howard Rheingold, Jukka Sihvonen & more. Those who can Finnish
or who want a collector's item can order the publication from
TYY/Rehtorinpellonkatu 6, 20500 Turku, Finland. It costs 55 FM,
about 11 dollars + postage.
Virtually yours,
Tapio M{kel{

If you have any info on HABITAT, please post...
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
From: isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account)
Subject: Ambiguity & logic 
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:52:46 EST


Personnaly, I think "sumbunall" is handled by the various combinations
of some/most/all quite well.

The "All that glitters is not gold" problem is a severe one, but is
caused , IMHO, by people not being careful in thier choice of words.
If one (some!) wanted to be clear about this, it should be stated
differently, on the other hand that makes for lousy literature.

So, just as in the rest of life, one has to make trade-offs...
Do I want to sound clear and unambigous, at the expense of sounding
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
From: esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington)
Subject: Re: ADMIN,DOC: Usenet University FAQ
Keywords: self, distance, education, uu, volunteer, learning, cooperation
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.112012.993@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>
>2. What the name means and how to participate in UU
>
>"Usenet" refers to the global conferencing network used as a medium or
>one of the media for Usenet University, as well as the "spirit" of UU
>- UU is open to anyone who can access it, free for expressing ideas,
>is quite a bit anarchistic in nature, and thus as Usenet newsgroups UU
>will be what the participants cause it to be.
>

I feel that "anarchistic" is a bad, and incorrect, choice of word.

Certainly it is innovative, lively and with new and novel ideas.
Surely "anarchistic" implies being opposed to the existing ways of
doing things in existing universities, which is simply not what uu
is about.

I feel that the phrase "is quite a bit anarchistic in nature" is
wrong and should be replaced with something such as

"is a venue for novel thoughts about learning"

or whatever a consensus of people express in postings.
From: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
Subject: Re: Usenet University, where is it going?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:32:41 GMT
Organization: WNC
NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.ucsc.edu

In article <BxG9JB.BJB@cck.coventry.ac.uk> esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington) writes:
>Research.
>Is anyone interested in trying to get some sort of long term research
>group off the ground. The subject (or subjects if there are two or
>more such research groups) would need to be decided by a cooperative
>haggling process, possibly in alt.uu.future, but are people able and
>willing to try to make part-time research "at" Usenet University
>part of their work over a period of several years, with a view to
>seeing if the concept can work, but primarily to do actual research?

	The idea of research I think is good since it allows us who are not
in the offical business of research to do some anyways.  I am in intrested in
user interfaces to the net and it's services, and the lower level transport 
mechanisms of the net.  I whould like to get help in doing basic research in 
this area.  Also I whould be willing to committ some of my companies R&D dollars
to this effort.
-- 
Aryeh M. Friedman, President, WorldNet Communications (aka bum from netland)
1720 E. Monte Vista, Phoenix, AZ, 85006, USA  "I need the numbers now!!!!"-anon
(602) 258-5781 		Disclaimer: I don't usually speak for my company.
E-mail: aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu, aryeh@wnc.com and flames to liar@bush.whouse.gov