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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:58:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct15.165806.20879
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <1992Oct15.033301.5733@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>>Just as bad as "Dreadnought!".  It even had the same plot.
>
>Umm, gosh .... I really really really liked Dreadnaught and Battlestations and
>the character of Piper ... gee ...

Really???  You mean I'm not the only one who actually enjoyed those books?
With all the hostility I didn't even bother trying to mention that I liked
them.

Yasmin

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:08:29 GMT

In article <BvMFwI.87v@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>>  The reason he is 'chief' is
>>transporter chief is because he is the top officer in the (for lack of a better
>>explanation) "transporter division" much like Lt. Cmdr LaForge is the Chief
>>of Enginnerring 
>     Agreed... but for one detail: Geordi is O'Brien's immediate
>     superior.  (Until January, that is).

There can be more than one "chief" in a particular department... one in
charge of the large area (science, medical, engineering, etc.) and
sub-heads for smaller divisions (botany, nursing, transporter.).  I
believe Christine Chapel was called "Chief Nurse", which would support
this theory.  So it's entirely possible for O'Brien to be chief of the
Transport division, reporting to the Chief Engineer.

If you're in the mood to believe unofficial sources... most put the
primary "departments" as Command, Science, Engineering, Operations,
Support, Security, Medical, with secondary "divisions" such as Helm, Physics,
Transporter, Navigation, etc.  Unfortunately, nobody agrees on what the
divisions should be, and Paramount hasn't been very consistent (Helm,
for example, apparently moved from Command to Engineering before TWOK)

>     There are thousands of scenarios you can concoct.  Thousands
>     that I can concoct.  The simple answer is: O'Brien is an
>     enlisted man, and Meaney's costume has finally been altered
>     to reflect what scripts in the past several seasons have
>     shown.

I agree completely... we can rationalize this by either ignoring the
fact that he had two pips last season (in the same way we ignore the
ridiculous FX and primitive consoles in TOS that don't look like 23th
century equipment at all), or say that StarFleet made a change in their
uniform codes (enlisted men formerly had pips of a different color, but
that's too confusing, so from now on they all have just half a pip).

>>I think that the deal with "Realm of Fear" is that some writers got extremely
>>LAZY and with little regard to the flamewars which could occur on r.a.s.*
>>temporarily demoted O'Brien in order to put a cute scene in where Barclay
>>could order him around.

That's the worst possible explanation... I'm sure most people here will
be extremely angry if O'Brien is "promoted" next week, just because the
writers couldn't work with continuity... but i have a little more faith
in them than that.

-- 
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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: Synopsis, "Realm of Fear"
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:21:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.185444.28324@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, swg9u@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Sarah Winn Gutowski) writes:
|> Hey - this is a third year student at the University of
|> Virginia who had an assignment to get in touch with someone
|> from a newsgroup outside of UVA.  And I was wondering how you
|> know about the episodes so soon?  And also I just wanted to say
|> that you picked a great quote from the last "Realm of Fear"
|> episode!  Anyway, thanks for your information!  -Sarah

I've only been in this newsgroup for a couple of months (my
"assignment" is to learn Unix in general & Sun in particular) but from
what I've read I've found that there is a group of folks who have
connections of one sort or another to get some of the information. 
Then there's folks who just see the episodes earlier than the rest. 
For example, the Scotty episode will air here in Dallas this Sunday
(Oct 11).  Now, if I understand how this works, the studio downloads
the episode to the subscribing stations and then the stations air the
episode according to the local schedule.  Our station seems to air the
episode "as soon as" (relatively speaking) they receive it from the
studio.  Then they rebroadcast the episode the following Saturday.

So...I saw Man of the People last Sunday (10/4) and will get to see it
again on Saturday (10/10).

Well, I hope this helps you with your assignment as well as you
question of how people get the info.

Regards,
Ron
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From: byrn@quads.uchicago.edu (Zelda Pinwheel)
Subject: "realm of fear": sniffin' distance
Reply-To: byrn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:02:23 GMT

I hope this makes it out there....

I noticed a little something during the briefing scene during the beginning
of "Realm of Fear"....

Spoilers if necessary




























Okay.  During the briefing scene at the beginning, Beverly is talking about
something and Picard is standing *very* close to her.  So close, in fact, that
he had to crane his neck in order to see her face.  Now I have noticed that 
since Beverly's return, the directors have shown a tendency to frame Picard
and Beverly together, usually standing side by side.  Many times this has 
happened when it wasn't exactly necessary to the plot, so I figured that this
was used to add a little atmosphere.  Maybe it helps the viewer make an 
automatic assumption that P & B are very good friends.  In any case, it just
seemed real obvious this time.  I came up with two possible explanations:

1)  Somebody chose a mid-shot that was just a little to small, forcing 
    Patrick Stewart to breathe down Gates McFadden's neck just so he can be
    seen.

2)  Beverly smells REALLY good.  :-)


Any other explanations?  Comments about this "framing" business?

(anything to add to the traffic at the beginning of the season...)

-Zelda
From: kimf@ogicse.ogi.edu (Kim Flowers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Transporters :Great Plot Device but Bogus "Technology"
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:00:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43828
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

I always had the impression that the transporters were supposed to
convert your body to energy, transmit it through that "subspace" that
Trek engineers are always so fond of talking about and convert it back
to its original form at the other end (wherever that may be).

I guess handling a body converted into energy isn't such a big deal,
after all they're used to handling matter/antimatter conversions in the
warp engines. Especially since all that energy gets converted back into
matter at the other end, so there's no NET energy released (other than
whatever is used to run the process, I guess). I'd hate to be around if
the transporter couldn't reform the energy into matter and whatever
safety features are involved couldn't contain the energy.

Transmitting the energy through subspace seems to take advantage of
subspace's properties (short distances in subspace = long distances in
real space, plus not completely in phase with real space) to be able to
reform the complex energy waveform at a distant location while being
able to transmit it through a limited amount of inbetween material.

K. Dorian Flowers
kimf@cse.ogi.edu
From: Shirley_Gillard_Schneckloth@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Spoiler Protection (was Re:  Sixth Season)
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 15:49:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <67432@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct9.150658.59579@cc.usu.edu>

Lorna and others,

I deeply apologize for my lack of netiquette. I am new, however that
does not excuse my actions. I tried to use the blank lines in the
spoiler fashion. It just didn't work. Until I can perfect the method,
I'll just keep my big mouth shut.

Please forget me,

sgs
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:42:24 GMT

v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
>springer_jerry@jpmorgan.com (Jerry Springer - FIMS Sys Adm) writes...
>>Has anybody noted the facial similarities between Ross
>>Perot and a Ferengui?
>> 
>Yes.  It was brought up a while back.

I suppose you're going to say that the fact that Ross is
a billionaire rounds out the analogy...always seeking a
profit, as it were.

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: ST Xenophobia
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 10:24:13 EST

In article <Ly5wHB1w164w@seanews.UUCP>
caladan!seanews!monorail@sumax.seattleu.edu (Brannon Boren) writes:
 
>fward@lazy.helios.nd.edu (frank ward) writes:
>
>>Why not have a horta crewmember?  I seem to remember a TOS novel (I
>forget whic
>>one) which had a horta crewmember.  It wasn't a very good novel, but it
>wasn't because of 'Ensign Rock'.
 
>>Just trivia.
>>Frank Ward
 
Trivia? Lack of Trivia.  It was "My Enemy, My Ally".  And it's one of
my favourites.  And you won't hear me speak highly of many TOS novels.
 
>                                Monorail
                                 !!!!!!!!
 
'spose this person has a one-track mind?
From: 02maferguson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Tasha In "Schisms?"
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:27:37 GMT

HELLO.....?????
Did anyone look at the promo for next weeks episode called "Schisms?"

I could of sworn that patient that was collasping in Dr. Crushers arms
was Tasha.
Did anyone else catch that. 
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From: jdm@cs.brown.edu (John McCann)
Subject: Re: Yesterday's Enterprise question
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:47:25 GMT

Wesley is a REAL ensign in "Yesterday's Enterprise".  That is why he has
a real uniform, instead of the cheesy gray thing he usually wears.

I suppose you could justify having such a young full ensign on a 
battleship by saying that the Federation was in deep trouble,
(Picard mentioned that the Feds were losing the war!) and they needed
every capable person to help out in the war effort, and they would
overlook some age requirements.
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:09:39 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>	Question 1:
>	Didn't Lore die when Wesley transmported him out to space
>in "Datalore" from the first season? It seemed to be no question
>that he was dead,

First of all, it's important to note that Lore is an android of the same
class as Data, who has been shown to be physically superior in many regards
to humans.  Thus, it's no stretch of the imagination to suppose that Lore
could endure prolonged exposure to hard vacuum and cosmic radiation with
little or no ill effects.


In "Brothers" (the episode where Lore shows up again) he states that he
was eventually rescued by a Pakled ship (these are the aliens from "Samaritan
snare"; the ones fond of saying "we look for things -- things that make us
go").


>as was his creator, Dr. Soong. Yet they both show
>up in later episodes (which I have not seen). How is this explained?

As for Soong, he claims to have escaped.  This seems reasonable enough, since
it's not entirely unknown for someone thought dead to be found very much
alive...

-- 
Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu
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Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode
From: hef@vitro.com
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:41:22 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Nntp-Posting-User: mbwpcorp

In article <1992Oct7.214128.857@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu>, jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
> Just a little preliminary survey.
> How many here get the feeling that this
> episode where Scotty returns is not going
> to be to good?
> 
> [rest of post deleted]
>

Hey, I thought "Cost of Living" was going to suck based on its preview,
and it turned out to be one of the best Trek episodes ever!

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From: dv@cc-mac.nbn.com (David Vezie)
Subject: Re: TNG & "Iron John"?
Organization: Computer Concepts
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:06:00 GMT

In article <Susan_Schnitger.06qw@amicol.UUCP> Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger) writes:
>In the October 5 Newsweek the cover story on "The Cultural Elite"
>discusses how the various medias are ...
(brief asside, "media" is the plural of "medium")


>on into pop televsion shows.  The last sentence reads, "In the
>fall of '91, the movement pops up on 'Murphy Brown' and 'Star
>Trek--The Next Generation.'"
> 
>I don't remember that theme ever being dealt with.  Can anyone
>point me at the episode which they are referring to?

I don't think it's Darmok.  More likely is 'The Outcast', the show
where Riker befriends an androgynous person.  S/he towards the end
of the show makes an impassioned plea for sexual tollerance.  The
tables are reversed from our society, but the message is the same.
-- 
David Vezie dv@sonoma.edu,dv@xnet.ssl.berkeley.edu
From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STV is NOT ST5:TFF, but ST Voyages!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:28:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: uacsc2.1687BF5C2.JC924
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

>        With this in mind, please read the aforementioned article, as it
>contains great info about the upcoming Second Year of Star Trek Voyages.
>
>                                                        Thanks everyone,
>                                                        James Queen.
What is Star Trek Voyages and how does one get it?
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: re: "Trek" history made in "Realm of Fear"
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:42:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Oct12.144237.1465
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I was wondering if anyone would notice that....

--Akane Tendou
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:19:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.034320.15291@midway.uchicago.edu> mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Does anyone know if the writers for ST:TNG are starting to get burnt out,
>or if there is some other reason for this strange occurence?

	"Starting"????  I think they were burnt out from day one...  Then,
every once in a while one will get a good idea...  But, inevitably, the
good idea will get screwed up somehow in the process...

||======================================================================||
||  Robert A. Seace  ||  Senior at UNH  ||  E-mail: ras@kepler.unh.edu  ||
||   AKA: Agrajag    ||    CS major     ||                              ||
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"The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't." - THGTTG
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:49:59 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <rawdon.719008680@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>[Warning: I'm deliberately overreacting here, since I'm not in much of a
>mood to suffer fools, gladly or otherwise, today.]
>
[...]
>
>How about we have real fans of Star Trek (the *real* series, not the
>pretender, TNG) take this newsgroup back?
>
Well, this is r.a.s.current...


-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Happily, Ral doffs his outer clothing for a
Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@frith.egr.msu.edu|  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton
From: lpeters@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Leslie D Peters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Geordi's pips in Man Of The People
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:03:38 GMT
Reply-To: lpeters@marge.hq.af.mil
Organization: 7th Communications Group

I believe the latter is true: I noticed the incorrect pips right
off.
-- 
I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Another question on Elementary My Dear Data...
Keywords: data,computer
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:12:47 GMT

	Did anyone else notice something strange about this episode?  The
big question seemed to be whether Data was actually capable of independent
thought, rather than just catigorization of previously know information, right?
Given that, didn't it seem just a bit strange that with the vague instructions
given to the computer by Geordi ("in the Holmsean style, create a mystery....
with an adversary capable of defeating Data") that the computer was able to
do exactly what Pulaski didn't feel that Data himself could do?
	The computer managed to 1) create a story which was not a synthesis
of previously known Holmes stories, and 2) make the intuitive leap necessary
to realize that for someone to defeat Data, he'd have to be self aware.  Quite
good logic on the part of the computer, i'd say.
	A friend agreed with me on this point, but responded with "Yes, but 
the computer is Majel Barrett-Roddenbery.  She can do anything." :-)
	Just a thought...

						Gregory Ruderman
						ruderg@rpi.edu
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Donations accpeted...
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Aye, Captain! "Relics" SPOILERS
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:38:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.719001519
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct12.163041.12522@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:

>WARNING! Spoilers for Relics Ahead...




















^L

>I was a bit confused at the end when they gave Scotty a shuttlecraft to do
>with as he pleased, since I would hace thought that Starfleet would have liked
>to talk to Scotty, but what the heck. I guess that was as off the wall as
>TOS was...

This may be my imagination, but the shuttlecraft they gave Scotty
looked a wee bit different from the ones we've seen before, didn't
it?  Now, I can't see Paramount spending $$$$$ to build a new 
shuttlecraft for one 30-second scene when an old shuttlecraft
would work just as well.

Unless... Does anyone else get the feeling that scene could
have been the leadin for a spinoff?

 
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 09:36:39 GMT

davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:

>>>>> On 5 Oct 92 09:50:21 GMT, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) said:
>> They obviously had a NEED for Barclay to give him an order, and they hardly
>> could have let that happen with LT O'brien visibly outranking Barclay...
>> BUT, as we have seen this season, the "pip department" has suddenly run
>> totally amok!  Characters left and right are having their pips screwed up.

 >Who else had their pips messed up *this* season?  

Geordi, Barclay, O'Brien, maybe more.

 >I think the pips for almost all the characters have been screwed 
 >up from time to time since the very beginning of the show.  

Perhaps, but NOTHING like it has in just these past few episodes.

 >For instance, I haven't seen good explanations of:
Before the specifics, most of those examples don't even 
NEED "explanations" as such, but here we go anyway. :->

 >1. Troi's rank (the one un'pip'ped officer!).

Oh, i'm sure she has been "pipped"! :->   BUT, there is no question
about her rank or pips.  Troi has always been a LCDR, and when she 
was in a regular uniform the pips were correct...

 >2. Lt. J.G. Worf's promotion to Lt.

What is there to explain?  He became Chief of Security and
was promoted to full LT.  Nothing strange about that.

 >3. Lt. J.G. La Forge's promotion to Lt. Cmdr.

Ditto!  He was promoted to Chief of Engineering.  LCDR made perfect sense.

 >4. Wesley Crusher's demotion to Cadet.

NOTHING about that character made any sense, except sending him to the Academy.
IMHO he was *never* a "real" Ensign, so there was nothing to "demote".

 >5. O'Brien's demotion to sub-Ensign.

Now THAT at least was VERY strange.

 >6. Distinguishing non-coms from officers or non-com ranks.

From what we have seen on the show, enlisted people wear NO pips.
That makes telling them from officers pretty easy.

 >The only rank changes that have made sense are:

In addition to most of the above examples?  :->

 >1. Riker's demotion back to Cmdr. (why he took it, though...).

It's either that or leave the show.  Picard/Stewart belongs in the "chair".

 >2. Lt. Cmdr Crusher's promotion to Cmdr. after Starfleet tour.

I'm pretty sure that Bev was a *full* CDR from the very beginning.

 >3. Wesley Crusher's promotion to full Ensign by Picard.

Ugh.  That made *ZERO* sense!!   You become an Ensign by graduating from
Starfleet Academy, NOT by getting your mommy to sneak you onto the bridge.

 >> What causes someone's rank to "drop" magically like that?   He became 
 >>a "regular" semi-regular in the *second* season, and up until "Realm" 
 >>his rank was always exactly the same: LT.

 >The same magic that did the above changes?

Except for O'Brien and Wessy, there weren't really any "changes"
of that sort listed "above"... sorry.   :->

-{ DA }-

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