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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: time-travel backwards possible? perhaps
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.science
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:18:25 GMT

g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:

>Let's illustrate it as such:  I'm in a room with three guys, Joe, Bob, and 
>Matthew.  I decide to kill myself by going back in time.  In order to do 
>this, I need to merely leave the room.  According to the time-branch theory, 
>I step out the room and go back in time, kill myself in the year 1973 and 
>then jump forward to the point I left.  I will find a universe where no one 
>knows me and everything has changed.  But in the other timeline, from the 
>other three guys p.o.v. I will have left, they will continue with their 
>lives and they'll never see me again.

Well, a properly constructed time machine will not try to travel
straight back to the present.  It would first backtrack to the point in
time you arrived, and then go forward.  Then you would be back in the
present where you existed, and still have existed.

>Thus there is no real reason to go back in time except for personal gain.  

True, but you could have some fun adventures along the way.

Since this has departed from dealing with Star Trek, followups are
directed to rec.arts.sf.science.

-- 
aberigan@nde.unl.edu (Greg Berigan)
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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  30-Sep-1992 0948)
Subject: Re: The Enemy Within
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 07:21:04 PDT
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atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) asks:

> If the transporter was broken why didn't they send down a shuttlecraft to 
> pick up Sulu and co?

john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) answers:

> It seems that they did not have enough money at that time to build a 
> shuttle craft prop and do the special effects.

Incorrect.  "The Enemy Within" was one of the earliest episodes made, and at 
that time the writers hadn't yet conceived of shuttlecraft.  The shuttle was 
first used in the subsequent episode "The Galileo Seven".  Interestingly 
enough, the first on-air appearance of a shuttlecraft was in "The Menagerie", 
which was filmed after "The Galileo Seven" but aired earlier.

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) cited the trivia question:

> "in the episode The Enemy Within, what do we see Sulu's phaser do that we 
> never see a phaser do at any other time?"

atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv (tony bell) answers:

> Sulu used a phaser to heat up a rock to act as a source of heat.

True, but this is not unique.  Phasers were used to heat rocks in two other
episodes:  "A Private Little War" (when Kirk was bitten by the Mugato) and
"Spock's Brain" (camping out on Sigma Draconis).  The mistake is not in the 
answer, but in the question itself.  Those local station people (what 
station??) behind the "Trek Trivia Question" don't know their stuff!

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From: howes@cat13.cs.wisc.edu (Glenn Howes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:38:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <23469@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon) writes:
>Re: "Picard/Riker 92" - no good. Jean Luc was not born in the
>United States.  Riker/Picard would work, though.

How do we know that France isn't part of the United States (or a direct
descendant of that organization). Evidence: everybody speaks English,
French is considered an obscure language (at least by Data.)


BTW, the requirements for vice-president are the same as for president.


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From: jes44606@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Eric Small)
Subject: Re: (SPOILER) Possible watch paradox in TA2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:04:56 GMT
Keywords: does anybody really read these keywords?

flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell) writes:

>Did Clements actually KEEP the older watch he looked at in the 24th
>century?

>I was thinking that he just looked at it. After all, he had one in his
>pocket already. 8-) Then before he left the cave he realized that he should
>leave his watch there to keep history going as it did before.

It doesn't really matter if he kept the watch or not...when he returns
to the cave at the end of the show, he keeps the watch he picked up from
the Enterprise and leaves the watch that is on the ground.  The same
watch is there twice for about five hundred years, whereafter it closes
it's loop up and exists as the only watch.  Simple, just think a second
before you go jumping into fits about paradoxes (sp?).

		J. Eric Small
		jes44606@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: klc@pirate.Corp.Sun.COM (Kevin Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Realm of Fear loose end
Date: 1 Oct 1992 15:16:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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*** SPOILERS ***




Dr. Crusher said that the dead crew member had 2nd and 3rd degree
burns on his body, but she didn't think that those burns killed him.
Did they ever say what did kill him?  Maybe I just missed it.

---
--Kevin Chu	klc@Corp.Sun.COM

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From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph Malloy)
Subject: Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:52:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.105738.59110@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>> write in PICARD/RIKER.  Thank you for your support.
>
>
>	Before your guys get carry away, let me point out that
>Picard was born in England so this disqualifies him from running the office.
>It would be nice to have a bald president for a change !
>
>
Hey, waitaminit!  Wasn't Picard born in France?  (It's Patrick Stewart
who was born in England, no?)

Still, I'd prefer a mediocre Ferengi or even Wesley over Bush...

j


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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:30:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.030642.28227@phx.mcd.mot.com> rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:
[Spock et al. stuff deleted.]

In the general scope of the universe, i would argue that
Data+Troi<=Spock.
Youve got the sides, the logical and the humanistic
plus the mind powers and the strange parents all in one.

Riker+Piccard<=Kirk
Piccard and Riker are nearly idential to the mirror images of Kirk in
the Tos episode where Kirk gets split into by the transporter. 
I believe the episode was _Enemy_Within_ (could be wrong.)

Obrien+Westly+Geordi>=Scotty
Thats a pretty obvious one. Geordi's flair for off the cuff remarks and bad
fortune with women :) plus westly's skill and Obrien's overall disposition.

>I do enjoy TNG, but if you were to pick an allstar team, mine would go 
>like this:
>
>Kirk - Captain
>Spock - Whatever he wanted to be
>Data - Spock's assistant
>LaForge - Chief Engineer
>Worf - Security
>Bones - Chief Medical

That all Glover team would be.
Kirk - Captain
Sulu- At the Helm/No.2
Spock - Science Officer/No.1
Guinan - Communications
Bones - CMO
Scotty - Engineering
Worf - Weapons
Data - Ship's Computer

And the ship-- thats easy, The Excelsior.  :).
From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:28:32 GMT


I have a question as to the timeline in Realm of Fear.  On the other
ship, the one in the plasma stream, what was the occurences of events?
For example, they beam the plasma out, it explodes when they try to scan it.
So they put the four crew members in the transport and lose them in the
pattern buffer.  What killed everyone else on the ship?  The explosion
of the plasma?  How then did the four get in the teleport chamber?  If the
plasma explosion only infected the four, then what killed everyone else?

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From: jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau)
Subject: Re: My Opinion
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:05:24 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

W.O. Khan <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU> writes:

[Hilarious diatribe deleted - but maybe I should've excerpted the
entire article.  I really love re-reading 50 lines from the previous
post just to see a one line comment. :-)]

BRAVO!

And for those of you who were here over the summer:

With my excellent connections to the entertainment world and Star Trek
in particular, I happen to know for a fact that

GEORDI DIES IN EVERY EPISODE THIS SEASON.

So there!
-- 
Jonathan Blau        jsblau@panix.com      cmcl2!panix!jsblau
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:58:55 EDT
From: Jennifer Bernold <JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: List of episodes

Yeah, it's another request.  I've been scanning this group about once a
week for the past 2 months, but either haven't seen the list of episodes
that Brown@vidiot posts, or just plain overlooked it.  If someone has
it, or knows ANYTHING about its whereabouts, please let me know.  I tried
to email the above person directly, but all the mail keeps bouncing...

I am looking for the info which is in the following format:

 0.   9/26/87  721  41153.7      Encounter at Farpoint
      :
      :
      9/12/92  226R             Time's Arrow

The date is the first date of satellite uplink.  Paramount's official
'week of' is two days later.  Stardates will be added when known.
--
brown at vidiot.UUCP

As shown above 9/12/92 is that last episode I got.  Thanks for the help.
-Jennifer
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From: mefoster@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Mary Ellen Foster)
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:37:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu> ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
>
>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?

Can you say PLACEBO???
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From: ipchawla@unix.amherst.edu (Ishmael Chawla)
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:51:36 GMT

Yeah, none of us got that either.  Please enlighten me:  why did the
poor buggers stuck in transport never-never land look like worms?

- ip
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: timetravel backwards? - perhaps
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:56:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <BvnrBs.1Ao@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>Another problem with time travel, apart from the causality question, is 
>traffic, yes, traffic.

>If time travel became a reality in the future, then there would have to 
>be tons of people visiting big moments in history.
[snip]

There was a 'New' Twilight Zone episode on this theme... two
college roomates come home, and one can't find her pencil-case
(or something), and mentions that she's always losing things.
They hear something in the closet, open it up, and a man and a
woman are standing there. The woman beams out, but they stop the
man. There's some conversation and he gives back the case, and
beams out after saying "I'm sorry, Madam President", or something
like that. :)

>Just think how many historic moments you would like to visit.
>And then think of how many people in the future might want to visit 
>those same events.
>
>If time travel was a reality, then you could always predict when something 
>important was about to happen -- it'll be where and whenever all the strange 
>"out-of-towners" suddenly show up.
>
>So the answer to the question "Is time travel possible?", is the same 
>as the one Fermi proposed with regard to extraterrestiral intelligence:
>
>"Where are they?"  (i.e, the visiting mob from the future)

I've always had a sneaky suspicion that about half of the
attendees at Woodstock are Time Travellers (or at least, I've
always wanted to write a short story about it. :) It should be
possible to go over the footage very carefully, and look for
something out of place, like some object that didn't exist in '69
(like me :) or something... of course, if you find it, maybe
They'll come looking for you (insert Twilight Zone theme here)

Likely, they'd be very careful (I adhere to the 'you can't change
the past if TT is possible' theory) not to stick out like a sore
thumb, so we might not notice them. Shades of "Millenium", where
the scientist goes looking in certain places for evidence of the
time travellers.

What this has to do with Trek, tho, I no longer know. :)

Joshua
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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG & "Iron John"??
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:36:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac20-19.jgasaway-021092132232
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <Susan_Schnitger.06qa@amicol.UUCP>, Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP
(Susan Schnitger) wrote:
> 
> In the October 5 Newsweek the cover story on "The Cultural Elite"
> discusses how the various medias are inter-related and feed off
> each others ideas.  In one of their examples they trace the spread
> of the idea of a "men's movement" from Bly's work to "Iron John",
> to Bill Moyer's, to "wild man" retreats, to magazine stories and
> on into pop televsion shows.  The last sentence reads, "In the
> fall of '91, the movement pops up on 'Murphy Brown' and 'Star
> Trek--The Next Generation.'"
>  
> I don't remember that theme ever being dealt with.  Can anyone
> point me at the episode which they are referring to?

I don't remember that theme "popping up" from last season either (I assume
that's when they're refering to).  However, the episode Angel One from the
first season vaguely dealt with a men's movement.  But the circumstances
were completely different because women were in power, so it was more of a
people-in-power-oppressing-opposing-viewpoints episode.  The so-called
men's movement is a bunch people who already have power (whether they
believe it or not), and they're afraid they might lose some of it (so they
blame their fathers for their lack of sensitivity to others -- but that's
another newsgroup!)

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Music: TNG vs. TOS
Keywords: music, TNG, TOS
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:47:23 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Sep22.180907.26441@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> hrsn@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Daniel Harrison) writes:
>The theme music for TNG is a real disappointment compared to that of
>TOS. They've given us this needlessly martial hymn of triumph, com-
>
I disagree. I think the "triumph" is appropriate in that it celebrates
human (and alien) kind's achievement of space exploration.

>TOS, on the other hand, had a truly great theme, much more suggestive
>of the unknown and of the excitement of exploration. (What *is* that
>instrument that "sings" the melody?) The music inside the episodes was
>used more intelligently, so much so that characters even had their own
>"leitmotives." (Remember the great bass-guitar tune for Spock?)
>
Yes! And that's what TNG lacks--recognizable "themes" for characters
and/or situations. What I like about TOS is that they had a "Whimsy"
theme, "danger" theme, "fight" theme, and Spock's reflective theme.
The only time I've noticed & appreciated the TNG music is in Inner
Light w/ Picards flute.

So, I like TNG's opening theme (it stands on its own), but I also
liked TOS's thematic pieces.

-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Time's Arrow, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Data, head, time-loops
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:49:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep27.014958.12595
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  I just remembered one HUGE plot hole that TAII both set up and left hanging
  while reading Tim's (far kinder than I was -- or felt like being) review:
  How in Hell did our heros -- and later, Mark Twain -- get into the cave at
  all, especially given that Data specifically said they'd have great difficul-
  ty getting to it since it was in the middle of an army camp, or somesuch?

  Just another glaring and awful hole in a glaring and awful episode...  I'd
  almost rather watch "The Cost of Living" or "The Outcast."  Almost...

  *sigh*
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From: carlson@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Richard Carlson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:56:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Glaring Inconsistency (tm) (IMHO) in Time's Arrow Part One
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

>      Surely "gonna" is a slang contraction of "going to".  Poor English, but
> nevertheless, a contraction.  If Data is able to learn such colloquial
> expressions, why can he not learn to say "can't", even if he learns it as a
> new word which is synonymous to "can not"?

Just a point:
Every time I've heard Data talk about contractions, it's to the effect of:
"I have never been able to master the use of contractions."  I'm sure
someone will correct me if he's said something significantly different,
but based on the above statement I conclude that
	(1) Data knows what contractions are, and is capable of saying
	    the word "can't", for instance; he simply has not learned
	    when it is considered appropriate to use the contraction and
	    when it is considered too informal.  This would not preclude
	    his use of contractions when imitating or repeating another
	    person; and
	(2) There is nothing inherent in his programming that forever
	    prevents him from learning to use contractions.  In fact, as
	    Data continues to become "more human" through the seasons,
	    it wouldn't surprise me a bit if Data learns how to use them
	    sometime before the end of the series.

-- Richard
From: worth@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Worthington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 27 Sep 1992 20:42:14 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
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The cable company here in Manhattan hasn't even heard of the Sci-Fi Channel!  
As far as I know, they have no plans to find out either.
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From: bill@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (LEVIATHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: All the Time Travel Troubles
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:23:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-cs.2763
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <8345@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson) writes:
> In article <12745@cis.rand.org> Phyllis_Gilmore@rand.org (Phyllis Gilmore) writes:
> <The Earth orbits the sun.  It is also held that the sun moves within
> <the Milky Way galaxy, and that the galaxy itself also moves.  Thus, if
> <you merely travel back in time, you're likely to end up without a 
> <planet to stand on.  And, given the complexity of the motions involved,
> <good luck trying to calculate where in space you should be at a 
> <specific time to "catch up" with the planet.
> <
> <Wait, this is fun.  Maybe that's why the latest crop of baddies had to 
> <travel in time to Earth from another planet entirely.  Hm.
> 
stuff deleted....

Given the fact we know the Earths velocity and orbit we can compute where it
was 200 years ago.  In Lightning by D. R. Koontz he explained it like
hanging out above the Earth and waiting for it to rotate below you.
Of course this isn't what really would happen but it may help to explain 
somethings.


Bill
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