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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Please stop this immediately!
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:29:22 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

nasser@hellpolis.he (Gamal Abdel Nasser) writes:

>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 GMT

   Does this have anything to do with Einstein's relativity theory?

>assamo alaiko

[Recommendation and sweet "memories" deleted]

>But regardless, he was a nice guy, I knew him very well. So please be
>kind to him.

   Thanks, Jim.

>Also I want to ah they are turning the heat on again my coffee breka is ovreI

   Well, its freezing down here. Not that I complain, actually my perfect
weather is -20C (-4F) sunny (or not sunny but calm winds.)

> goy to go la ilaaha illa allaha

   muhammad rasool allah

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From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk ("M.G")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Saddam and Bush defeat
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:10:50 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
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From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Bush and Saddam

Javad Agha Writes:

This morning I heard that in Baghdad they are celebrating Bush's defeat.
It's ironic how the armies of 28 countries failed to overthrow the dictator
Saddam Hossein, yet it was the ballot which overthrew Bush.  Just goes to 
show how much more difficult change is in the absence of democracy. 

I think Iraqis should be mourning about their form of government instead.

Agha Javad
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Javad I think you are cleaver enough to know that the Iraqi people tried 
many times to get rid off the dictator Saddam, the latest was the uprising 
after the so called the Gulf war, but the same 28 countries mainly USA 
and the West stand by and helped Saddam to crush the uprising not to 
mentioned the evil forces of the P.L.O who joint saddam and killed 
thousands of innocent women and chidren especially in the south.

M.G
Cardiff, Wales, U.K
From: bashar@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bashar Khairi Abouseido)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: King Hussein is dying
Date: 9 Nov 1992 05:16:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: bashar@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

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->Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
->Subject: King Hussein is dying
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->I read a report in yesterday's Globe and Mail that King Hussein of Jordan has
->cancer of the urinairy tract and is not expected to live longer than 18 months.
Could you please guys stop that? It won't make big difference either way !!
Assad or King Hussein or anybody else from the arab leaders ?
If the poeple doesn't change the leaders won't change.

Bashar
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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Israel Apartheid????
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:47:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.004451.1195@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
|> 
|> There is no "occupied state of Palestine."  There has never been a
|> state of Palestine, and it is impossible to occupy something that
|> doesn't exist.

If there is no state of Palestine, then you must be occupying the southern
part of greater Syria. Hence, you are guilty of occupation, I tend to agree
with John Elghani that it is theft.

|> 
|> >The trick here that makes Israel able to proclaim non-racism is that
|> >citizens of the state of Palestine are NOT citizens of Israel, but of
|> >an occuppied territory, therefore the have NO rights (or close to no
|> >rights).
|> 
|> Once again, there is no "state of Palestine," and there never has been
|> one.  The Arabs who remained in Israel after the War of Independence
|> were granted citizenship; the Arabs in what had been the Jordanian
|> occupied sector of Jerusalem were offered citizenship when the city
|> was reunited in 1967.  There is no justification for blaming Israel
|> for the Arabs' refusal to become citizens.

There was a greater Syria which was divided to make room for the Israeli
annexation of its Southern part that came to be Palestine. It seems that god
not only granted you the middle east, but also gave the mandate to change
history to suit you point of view.

A.Faris
From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Want info on Morocco
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:29:25 GMT
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Originator: adam@acapella


Hi everyone...

I'm an American man, and I've recently started dating a woman from
Morocco.  I know the library is the best place to look, but could
someone point me towards information via the net on Morocco and
Moroccans?  I can't seem to find a newsgroup like soc.culture.morocco.

Thanks...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon,talk.politics.mideast
From: o.CRepin-leblond@doc.ic.ac.uk (Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond)
Subject: _\!/_ Ohm Salam _\!/_
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,alt.test,soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: Imperial College, London, UK.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:35:19 GMT



In a recent article "Ohm Salam" uses this alias:

>From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Salam)

In this message I attempt to shed some light over the intention
of Miss/Mr. Anisa "Ohm Salam" in using this alias. I also hope that
people use sensible aliases. She/He, "Mr. Bulbul", jle and others do 
not only use offensive language but also try to aggravate people by
there aliases, lets see.

Before using this alias she/he used:

>From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Jihad)

This is more aggravating and calling for terrorism. But later when
a netter (Nabil?) pointed that this alias should not be used she
used "Ohm Salam" as to let us think that she is inclined to peace.

Note that "Ohm" is the unit of electrical resistance. What would
"Ohm Salam" mean? Resistance of peace -- "Jihad"! Now, what do you 
think?

I have to include this commercial before my signing off.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ahmedk@sys.toronto.edu (Khalid Ahmed)
Subject: Phone # of Saudia in New York
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:55:54 GMT

If anyone knows the phone number for the Saudi airline (Saudia)
in New York (or Toronto if they have an office here), could you 
please email me (ahmedk@white.toronto.edu)? I need to confirm a booking.

Thanks in advance

Khalid Ahmed
University of Toronto.
From: mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Gschwind)
Subject: Re: Israel Apartheid????
Organization: Vienna University of Technology
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:54:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct22.130056.16148@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

   Even asking that question shows a lack of understanding of the
   politics and reality of Israel.  Israel is a democracy in which all
   citizens have the same rights and responsibilities, with the exception
   that Arab's are not under the same obligation for mandatory army
   service that Jews are under.  While there is undoubtedly a small
   minority of extremists who would like to change that situation, just
   as there is a small minority of extremists here who would like to
   declare this a Christian country, they are just that--a small minority
   of extremists--and there is close to 0 chance of anything they want
   coming to be.

Wait - admittedly, the Israel will not be declared a purely Jewish,
theocratic state, BUT there exist a number of discriminations: among
them, you mentioned the army service. (Not that I am a big fan of
armies) A lot of things in Israel are contingent on having served in
the army which clearly excludes Arabs from certain benefits, jobs etc.

Expropriation of Arab land is mostly no longer a problem in Israel
proper (since nearly all of it has already been expropriated!), but is
proceeding at a frantic pace in the occupied state of Palestine and
esp. its capital, East Jerusalem. 

The trick here that makes Israel able to proclaim non-racism is that
citizens of the state of Palestine are NOT citizens of Israel, but of
an occuppied territory, therefore the have NO rights (or close to no
rights). Whereas I think immigrating Jews who settle in this area can
fulfill their residence requirement to be viewed as Israelis after 3
years (the one whereby they can avoid asking for citizenship, thereby
keeping a foreign citizenship), which makes the occuppied territories
an interesting legal entity. For a long time (before the influx of
Russian Jews) I had hoiped that Likud would annex the occupied
territories, because due to demography, if Israel where truly
democratic, in 30 years, Israel would probably have renamed itself
Palestine (with a party called PLO ruling and Israeli Prime Minister
Y. (no, not Yitzak!) Arafat).

The Law of Return is definitely racist, it meets all the criteria - it
singles out groups according to race & religion, per definitionem
racism! 

mike
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From: elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (10th)
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:21:29 GMT
Organization: UB

prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.231908.1@max.u.washington.edu> imnet2@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>>==========================================================================
>>I     IN THIS ISSUE:                                                     I
>>I                   * NEWS UPDATE                                        I
>>I                   * ISLAM & SCHOOLS OF ECONOMICS                       I
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>>BOSNIA-HERCEGOVINA
>>An entire people are being slaughtered before our eyes, yet the
>>world watches with splendid indifference.

>I wouldn't exactly call it indifference.  Horror, perhaps, but not
>indifference.  What should we do?  Should we leap into a centuries old
>conflict, guns blazing?  Such a posture would cause far more harm than
>good.  I don't have any solutions, but I know that intervention on the
>part of the UN or the US is inappropriate.

>	-Phil


  What about just lifting the embargo and give the people a chance to defend
themselves  ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mohamed Elkordy
From: mmg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M M Ghanem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: forgery on the net (Is that true) Please read !!
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:49:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: frigate.1dbc9fINNt6d
Distribution: world
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

Dear all, Have you read the last message by Olivier Crepin-leblond.

If not please read it. To sum it all up. It says that some people are using 
forgery to send messages to the network. People using other people's names to
end obscene messages. If that is true I don't have anything more to say!

P.S. If you are using rn to read news, try pressing P (shift-p) to get to
previous messages. 


Moustafa 
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:55:12 -0500 
From: Val Zillig <vz00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ARAB IMMIGRANTS USA

Are you an immigrant to the United States??  If so I need your help with
a short study that I am conducting for a thesis at CMU in Pittsburgh. 
Could you answer the following questions.
1. What country are you from and what is your religon?
2. What is your occupation?
3. Were your parents immigrants?
4. How did you decide in what city to settle?
5. How is the  support network in your city of residence?
6. Do you feel any discrimination being an Arab in the US or of Arab origin?
7. What was your reason for coming to the United States?
8. Did you consider other countries?
9. Do you know how many Arabic newspapers, television stations, or radio
stations exist in the United States?
10. What is your family make-up?
11. Will you return to your native land to live in eventually?

I would appreciate answers to these questions and any other imput that
you could give.  I am assuming that the more educated and wealthy will
respond just because of the nature of the email network.  Meaning, you
need money to have a computer but if you know of other individuals who
may have interesting stories I would like to hear them.
Thanks for your imput.
shokran   val
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: Mistranslation of the Qur'an?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:49:57 GMT

 Asalaam-u-aly-kum

The following ayat is what the Quadishatani (Ahmadi) religion
people are using as evidence for Isa (as) death....

Refering to Abu Bakrs (RAO) speech when the Prophet (Saws) passed
away...

"He (The Prophet) is like any other Prophet before him ALL of 
whom have died"

I can't remember the reference but if you look on the Amdi group
you'll see this. The version of the verse I remember reading goes
a bit like this "....the like of which have died..."

I am wondering have these guys miss translated the verse and 
what the correct tafsir is?

It seems to me that these Quadishatanis are calling the Prophet
(PBUH) a liar as there are many hadiths regarding the coming
of the Mahdi and Isa (AS).

Wasalaam 
Masud


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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Films. (Part 2 of 2)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:07:45 GMT

                                 Part 2 of 2.
                                --------------

This second and last part of the posting introduced earlier this week
involves short briefings on the other two movies of the series of the 
four films by Khleifi. 

                   Cinematheque Ontario Presents Three films 
                        by Talented Palestinian Director
                                 Michel Khleifi 

                                       at
                           The Art Gallery of Ontario
                                   Jackman Hall
                                317 Dundas St. West
                                  T O R O N T O  


The Movies are:
                (1)  The Fertile Memory      (1980)
                     Friday, November 27, 8:45 p.m.

                (2)  Wedding in Galilee      (1987)
                     Monday, November 30, 6:30 p.m.

                (3)  Canctile of the Stones. (1990)
                     Monday, November 30, 8:45 p.m. 

Fertile Memory will be preceded by the 30-minute documentary "Ma'loul" (1991).


WEDDING IN GALILEE:
(113 min)

Winner of many awards including the International Critics' prize at Cannes,
this film was the first Palestinian feature shot in Israel.  A work of great
beauty, intelligence and humanity, the film recounts the attempt of an arab
elder to marry his son in traditional fashion, the wedding extending from 
sundown to early morning.  Because village is under martial law, and the 
Israeli officials refuse to suspend curfew, he must invite the soldiers to
attend the wedding.  The sexual, political, and familial turmoil which 
ensues from his request provides a moving portrait of a "people trying
to create dignity, liberty, pleasure in a very difficult situation" (Khleifi).
Erotic and surprisingly humorous, the film is "one of the more remarkable
feature debuts of the past decade" 

---------------

Toronto Premiere

CANTICLE OF THE STONES:
(106 min)

Acclaimed at the 1990 Cannes festival, draws on Resnais's Hiroshima Mon Amour
for its narrative, and combines it with strikingly immediate documentary
footage, shot in Jerusalem and Gaza, of the Intifada. (Members of the crew
were wounded while filming).  
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PALESTINIANS
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:14:58 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Nov12.230811.25475@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>Why are they a people?

If this doesn't sound racist, I don't know what is.

Perhaps you should pick up a bible and read it for a little historical
background, no matter how negative they are portrayed.  Better yet,
there are several good books in your local library about Palestine and
Palestinian people and culture.

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: >> Who is really "Mr. Bulbul" ? <<
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:48:43 GMT

oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:

> Sorry to "disappoint" you, but i think that any regular reader of this
>group knows that "bulbul" is "an alias" for Nabeel Guzaln. It's not a
>forgery, in his early posts he used to sign also bulbul with his name. 
>PS : I find his opinions (notice: the opinions themselves, not the manner
>in which they are presented) offensive and backward. But he's not trying
>to hide his identity (after all, anyone who knows a little bit about computers
>and the news should be able to identify him, as you have done)..

   So, Ibaa, what are your "defensive and forward" opinions to get out
of this mess?

** Express yourself!
                     Madonna
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arab Unity
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:25:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov6.222503.7885
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Nov5.171048.4672@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> y41@aix320a.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Jafr bin Haza) writes:
>
>Can someone tell me why lebanese have their own newsgroup?  How can
>Arabs stick together with such nonsense?  The last time I checked
>Lebanese were Arabs????  
>

I am no Lebanese, and have never visited the Lebanese newsgroup, but I 
don't see what's wrong in Lebanese (or Egyptians or Syrians for that matter)
forming their own newsgroup to discuss issues that are relevant only to them.

And by the way, it is not that clear that all Lebanese are Arabs; i.e., Joseph 
Abu Khalil (a top Maronite and Phalangist) writes in his very interesting
book LEBANON AND SYRIA: THE HARDSHIP OF BROTHERHOOD that he never felt he
was an Arab, or that Arabic was his language.  (He nevertheless thinks 
Maronites should have excellent relationships with their Arab neighbours, 
especially Syria.)

Best Ahmad
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