From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:32:00 GMT

In <adams.724724398@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:

>madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:

>>bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes: >
>>forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes: >>
>>>|>Sure, if you stop forcing death on unborn children.
>>
>>No one believes you, Suzanne.  You lied.  Now you're going
>>straight to H-E-L-L!

>No, she can conveeeeniently go to confession and say a few Our Father's and
>Hail Mary's and she's all set.

>>>Maddi is killing unborn children! Wow! How did you find this out?
>>>Is this true, Maddi!?! How many have you killed?
>>
>>Well, I had two eggs in an omelette on Sunday, does that count?
>>I suppose a Christian would claim I've killed hundreds of
>>unborn children because I've never been pregnant, and allowed
>>all those potential lives to waste away every month.

>Hardly all...I'm a Christian, an Evangelical to boot, anti-abortion, yet
>pro-choice.  Strange eh?

Anti-abortion???????????????????????

When will you get your act together, Steve?

From a post you made recently, with commentary by me in brackets.

***************************  ADAMS POST ****************************

Elizabeth Cornelia Green <eg1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Boy do you have some messed up ideas!  

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

[He does not spare an obvious newbie.]

>You think abortions should be used as a source of birthcontrol if
>necessary?!?  And that the practice of abstinence is a ridiculous
>solution?!?!!  Wow you're confused.  

Hmm...I wonder who is confused...

[Steve Adams is more confused than Elizabeth Green was, IMO.]

>Abstinence is the only good method of birth control.  It's obviously the
>only 100% certain method.  

Wrong.  Abstinence does not protect one from rape.

[One of TWO good statements Adams makes in this post.]

>If a couple considers themselves adult enough to engage in sex, they
>should face the adult responsibilities that might accompany the action. 

Yep.  And one of those is dealing with pregnancy.  Abortion is a
						   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
responsible option in the face of that responsibility.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[This is standard fare by liberal Lutherans.  In Adams' mouth,
it is regurgitated, undigested pabulum that he swallowed whole from them.]

>And making sure that the child that results from your actions is cared
>for is an obvious responsibility.  I strongly believe that killing that
>child through an abortion is not facing your responsibilities.

Bringing a child into the world is not always the responsible thing to do.

[More undigested, regurgitated pabulum.]

>Sure, sex may be fun, but be prepared to deal with all that it entails 
>No Sex is Safe Sex.  

Abortion *is* a way of dealing with it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[In case you haven't caught on yet!]

>Everybody knows that there isn't any condom that guarantees no pregnancy
>will result.  And they don't prevent the horrible diseases that can
>result from sex, either.

But they do help.  They give a level of protection.  One asseses the risks
and weighs the options.

>Hope I don't sound too old fashioned.  But I'm only nineteen and I've
>already been able to figure this out.  What's the matter with the rest
>of you?

I've figured things out...I personally object to abortion...but I beleive
it needs to be legal.     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

******************************* END OF ADAMS POST *********************

Of course, he has NOT figured it out, otherwise he would not have said
the last set of highlighted words after regurgitating that pabulum.  He has
let a bunch of Lutheran heretics--heretics to the traditions of
Lutheranism, that is--do his figuring for him.  

Peter Nyikos

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