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From: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de (Ulrich Gall)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Please help me! _What_ was that?
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:15:28 GMT
Organization: private UUCP site, Kiel, Germany



Dear alt.alien.visitors-readers:

Please help me!!

I am new to this group, and here is why:

[I don't expect anyone to believe this, but you're probably the only
ones who can help me. I don't know what to do. But I do know that the
internet is just great for cases like this, so I decided to post this here.]


Last week, I got home from a five-week trip to the former Soviet Union. We
rented a camper, drove to St. Petersburg and stayed for a while. After 2 weeks
we decided to go further east. Four days later, about 800 miles east of St
Petersburg, we spent the night by a lake in the woods, because I was getting
too tired to drive. There was no town near, and we hadn't seen anyone for at
least 100 miles.

At dawn, I suddenly woke up from a strange noise. It was very loud - a deep,
pulsating noise. When I looked out of the window, I didn't see anything
unusual. I went outside, an I saw very regularly shaped clouds on the sky -
leading to the ground about 10 miles away from us. I called my girl friend
(she had woken up too) and had her look at it. But it was almost gone by the
time she got out - and we couldn't get our camera ready in time.

We decided to go to where the clouds pointed to - there was a road leading
that way, and we smelled we were getting closer. The road turned and we walked
the last part of the way, and after five minutes, we heard that sound again,
getting louder and louder, and some kind of aircraft took off about half a
mile away. We waited for an hour and carefully went closer to where the
aircraft had started at. There was a 300ft circle in which everything was
burnt. We looked around and found some strange greyish chunks of metal. Not
actually metal - almost like rocks, very hard. I took one of them with me. I
also took some pictures, but they aren't developed yet.

We decided to go back home as fast as possible. In St Petersburg, we bought 10
newspapers and tried to find something about what we watched in them. We were
surprised not to find anything about the incident. We didn't want to tell
anyone about this before having some kind of proof - at least we didn't want
to tell anybody in Russia...

When we got home and told our friends about this, none of them believed this.

This is our last chance to find somebody who believes us. 

I don't know what this was. But I don't think it's normal. And I don't think
Russia is secretly launching rockets right now.

What was it?

Thanks a lot,

                Ulrich
                
                


Ulrich A. Gall, Seebrooksberg 2, W-2300 Klausdorf/S., Germany
Tel.: +49-431-790292, EMail: ulrich@galki.toppoint.de
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 02:02:18 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

JO>at this time I was really feeling heavy. It was just as if I was on anoth
JO>planet that had a stronger gravity than ours. I thought of
JO>Mars and how it would probubly  take short sturdy bodies to live on such
JO>planet.
JO> We then turned off Niles Canyon Road on to a paved road
JO>going north towards a

I am sorry for this time dilated reply to this message we are just
getting this conference down here in Sunny St Pete, Fla.  But Martian
gravity would be roughly 25% or earth normal gravity.  And if there were
natives of Mars there would not be short and squat cause that would
probably be the characteristic of someone who lived in a 2 gravity or
stronger field.......

Lauren
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: auras auras everywhere
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:55:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69038@cup.portal.com> <69070@cup.portal.com>

Dear Aura Watchers: I can't see auras but I can perceive them. I seem 
to also have the ability to examine a person's aura and tell them 
what have been in previous life.
John Winston
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gslars@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:23:59 GMT

In article <1dp7qoINNlh8@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.135248.27454@netcom.com> rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert 
>K. Rouse) writes:
>
>+   What is Bill Clinton position on the UFO activities and the
>+government of the USA?  Has anybody ever put the question to him?
>+-- 
>
>No idea, but did you know that President Carter actually promised to
>tell the world the truth on the UFO sitings whilst campaigning for
>the White House. He is reputed to have had an excellent sighting of
>one that prompted him to take this position....

Yeah, I think Carter made a token gesture of releasing the Blue Book
files or something like that.  If I was Clinton, I think I'd appoint some
teams to investigate every single secret project and secret place in
the government.  If not for discovering UFO secrets, then to at least
make sure they're not still doing all kinds of expensive, bogus,
cold-war-era projects.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: AURAS
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 06:34:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <68526@cup.portal.com> <68586@cup.portal.com> <68711@cup.portal.com>
  <68757@cup.portal.com>

Dear Folk: Pardon me that man's name was Guy Coggins. When I was a 
kid we used to have a series of jokes about a person who was telling
the truth about something and it makes me think of Kathie and how she
is explaining the aura to some of the people who don't even believe
they have an aura. One of the sayings goes like this; You tell them
slaughter house you've got the guts. Anyway Kathie keep up the good
work.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:8068 alt.sex:35086 alt.sex.stories:3103 rec.humor:33114 alt.flame:14474
From: s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories,rec.humor,alt.flame
Subject: Re: rapture in flames
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:39:48 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

>In article <s925609.720752998@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox) writes:
>>On an afterthought, maybe I should send the dude the purity.1500 test

>Better yet, post it so we can all enjoy it!
	Here?

=================================  --   --   --   --   --   --
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NGC 4954 Sombrero Galaxy     (__     | |       | |  | |  |    |
RMiT Aerospace Engineering    __)  --' `--   --' `--' `--'  --'
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Opera_Ghost)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Globa
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:46:31 GMT

In article <596.2AFA9290@mechanic.Fidonet.org> Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak) writes:
>JD>>              The Brotherhood has on call over 11,000,000 craft the
>JD>>      last I heard.
>
>JD>Who they?  Incidentally, wouldn't these 11000000 shiups
>JD>have been noticed by
>JD>now when they bombed about the solar system?  Or is it just that there's
>JD>massive conspiracy on the part of all the astronomers and anybody else wh
>JD>happens to look into the sky every now and then to not
>JD>let us know about it?
>
>JD>>  They range from 30 foot shuttles (our word for
>JD>>      it) to motherships 360 feet long.  One mother carries about 50
>JD>>      shuttles.  Then they have ships that are called arks like the
>JD>>      seven cities of Shan.  Some ships have names such as Transvaal
>JD>>      and one called Phoenix.


Will someone explain to me why aliens ships have names from Indian Legend that
are in English?

CJR
From: gslars@staff.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton and UFOs?
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:59:58 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Nov12.152620.8391@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>
>Mabye the Authors of the FAQ could put together a PETITION for all
>interested in this group, possibly others, to send to Pres-elect Clinton.
>What do you all think?

I think a lot of this depends on whether the president is even "in the loop"
so to speak.  If presidents are routinely given what the government knows
about UFOs, then it would take a major briefing session with him, which
probably hasn't occurred yet.  My own guess is that they are only partly
privy to what's going on.  They're given enough disinformation to convice
them that secrecy is essential at all costs.  But it would have to
be information that's consistent between administrations.  But what
happens when the president gets too pushy for hard facts and first-hand
knowledge?  
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:8199 alt.religion.kibology:4615
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Summary: typical male pig!
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:12:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.bastards
Organization: AT&T

In article <69097@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>   Miss Martin say she has returned to Mt. Rainier National Park every year 
> since Kelly was born but hasn't seen hid nor hair of the boy's father. 

Ran away from his responsibilities hey? Bigf*ck follows the
old 4 f's(find'em,feel'em,f*ck'em,forget'em). And if Miss
Kelly can't find hide nor hair, he must've jumped state lines.
Yeah, seen it hunnerds of times.
From: ron_s@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: rapture bogus troll spit
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:32:20 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

>> In article <16951@mindlink.bc.ca>, Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson) writes:
>> > 
>> >         Hey, I've experienced the rapture, (excuse me) the RAPTURE several
>> > times and I didn't have to wait for Oct. 28.  Many of us modern folk call it
>> > orgasm and it can be heavenly and almost as good as the second coming.  :)
>> > Colleen
>> > --
>> > It's not how much I know that counts but how much I'm trying to learn.
>> > The Crimson Bunion
>> 
>>      Hey you, DEVIL WORSHIPER!!!!!
>> 
>>      At least show some respect regarding other people's belief.  I personally
>> never believed that the rapture would occur on the 28th of October.  But, 
>> if that is what others believed, I just leave it at that.  THERE HAS TO BE 
>> A LIMIT FOR EVERYTHING.  THERE ARE CERTAIN SUBJECTS THAT ONE CAN NOT JOKE
>> ABOUT, and religious belief is certainly one of them.

    There can be no doubt that any subject must, should, and will be joked
about for as long as open minded people exist, or as long as the Bill of
Rights survives - and in particular any form of religious dogma should be
held up and illuminated on all sides exposed as the profound bogus
nonsense it really is.  
    It doesn't take a genius to know by instinct, by intuition, or by
plain common sense - that the prophets of doom and gloom are wrong and
should be ignored.   I do not mean to deny spiritual values or
spiritual growth, but I do mean to destroy the pernicious effects
of dogmatic teaching on any individual.  I do not consider a spiritual
teaching worthy of such a name if it demands uncritical acceptance
of anything at all - this is not teaching or a means to any kind of
growth - it is merely brainwashing and propagandizing..

    Remember every individual must develop his/her own relationship
with the higher powers in the universe, call it God, Atman, Satori,
golden bliss, Rapture, or the Big Funhouse.. and the priests and
preachers of dogma may mean well, but you would do well to ignore
them or make fun of them...

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: stancad@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Wake up to reality
Followup-To: Wake up to reality
Summary: Wake up... Reposted
Reply-To: stancad@woods.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:20:57 GMT

Wake up everybody! This is the real world...there are no UFOs or Big Foot or
any other screwed up anomaly like those. What is the use of a newsgroup like
this anyway. Ok, so it has success (judging from the number of people posting),
but that only shows that there are a lot of crazy people out there.

E.T. (HaHaHa)


________________________________________________

I have been getting a ton of mail related to the above statements. And trust me 
none of it was flattering. Most of the responses suggest that I was rude and
insensitive and not open minded enough in posting such a comment.

I'll appologize for the wording of the first paragraph (some people really got
offended by the word "crazy") but my ideas expressed in it still stand. And
yes, I did read up on such phenomena that are discussed in this group. Lack of
evidence on the subject is what makes me a scheptic (sp?).

E.T. (I thought this was funny, but not many other people did! Oh well)
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Apparent EM Interference by UFOs
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:42:24 GMT
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <15339@claris.com> James_Zuchelli@qm.claris.com (James Zuchelli) writes:
[ deleted ]
>
>I think that you only need the right combination of power, and frequency
>to do wierd things to electrical systems.
>

Keep this in mind...  and let's drop the 5th grade 'biiiiig magnet' silliness.
RF energy is far and away the most likely culprit.  Keep in mind it has
downed several military choppers (induced noise on fly-by-wire command and
control systems), and can cause all sorts of ... um, unanticipated side
effects.


kbq

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From: atmnpt@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Alien in my laboratory
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:27:06 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I am a physicist who would like to know more about this
as I have a friend in my department who I believe is an alien.

I know this sounds absurd, but I have been thinking about this for
a long time and I believe this to be the case.

What do I do.

N.Thomas
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: rapture
Keywords: Rapture
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:02:43 GMT


					
							_RAPTURE_
	
I've just got back from a mini-vacation and have missed some of the action.

Isn't it possible that NMT just wants to provoke a lively discussion?

What we call tongue-in-cheek.

Let's face it, *nobody* with ideas and manners like this would be able to put 
two words together. I think we've been duped.

(This was also partly my intention with the crop circle question.)

By the way, NMT would have had to get the joke about orgasm and the "second 
coming", which would preclude the total innocence he/she feigns.

Did you all enjoy the election? 

I'm sure Jesus has a sense of humour too, but I don't dare ask him if he 
liked the joke!
				May you *all* have a good laugh today.    Paul.

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Cable TV Consumer Pr
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 01:57:04 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

JD>But, what if you are wrong?  What if the Bible, and
JD>everything in it, IS the
JD>inspired word of God?  Are you so sure that it is not
JD>that you are willing t
JD>risk an eternity in Hell?

JD>For all the bad things that folks have said that people
JD>have done in the nam
JD>of Christianity (and this, by the way, is a perfect
JD>example of why, when you
JD>blame things on Christians, you may actually be talking
JD>about folks who only
JD>claimed to be Christian but really were not), NONE of it compares with th
JD>torment of Hell.

Please, if this were the case that not following and living by the
precepts of the bible sent you to hell.  Then there is an impressive
list of people currently residing in hell.  This list would include
probably 60% of all popes of the Roman Catholic Church, people such as
Torquemada from Spain, all "missionaries" who aided and abetted the
enslavement and degradation of non-white non-catholic indigenes. Any and
all succesful businessmen, politicians and and most clergy of the Roman
Catholic church.

I have dont meet many people who have every lived morally by the bible's
concepts.  I meet many who claim to live that way and fall woefully
short.....

Lauren
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.scientology,alt.sex,alt.slack
From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.scientology,alt.sex,alt.slack
In-reply-to: kibo@world.std.com's message of Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:53:04 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:53:25 EST

In article <BxE0KG.KCJ@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

>And you know what's REALLY weird?  Every one of John's postings has the
>"Bigfoot" subject misspelled in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY!
...
>Eachf of those (1)s or ( )s is an articlef with that samef mispellingf.

No, you're justf starting to see the fnords.

--
- Richf Holmes
"In general, the dancef music of P.D.Q. Bach -- although we have no
 documentary evidence of thisf -- suggests that one of his legs was
 shorter than the other." -- Prof. Peterf Schickelef
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.cascade
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Bigfoot, or a bear????
Followup-To: alt.postmodern,alt.paranormal,alt.alien.visitors,alt.cascade
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:26:56 GMT

In <1992Nov8.062402.16977@selway.umt.edu> cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes:
>  I did see a sign that said, "Cascade tree farm".  

Don't let alt.cascade see this or you'll have farmed a new cascade tree!

							-- K.


Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:8200 alt.conspiracy:12110
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: JFK and BUSH
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:15:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:
	When was Bush head of CIA and 

30 January, 1976-20 January, 1977.  Not quite a year.

	do you think he know who killed Kennedy?

... Yep, I expect he thinks Oswald did it.  The "jfk conspiracy
fringe" (led by that old conspiracy warhorse, Mark Lane) has been
working for twelve years to "prove" Bush had something to do with the
assasination, including grasping at embarassingly stupid straws --
notably trying to claim that he was involved in the Bay of Pigs
invasion [the escort "Barbera J" was, by this game, named for his wife
(the other ships, named "Houston", "Blagar", "Rio Escondido",
"Atlantico", and eventually "Essex battle group" presumably were named
for his goldfish); the operation being named "Zapata" after his oil
company (the operation was actually named "Pluto", but did land near
the Zapata swamps); Bush actually alive at the time, etc...]  I don't
buy it, sorry.
 
 	(I know it's the CIA but which individuals?)

... congratulations, you are now qualified to make a major motion
picture.  :-)

Charles

PS - source: "Bay of Pigs", by Johnson, "Games of Intelligence", by
West.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: JFK and BUSH 
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:31:37 GMT

When was Bush head of CIA and do you think he know who killed
Kennedy? (I know it's the CIA but which individuals?)

Mas
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From: Lauren.Podolak@mechanic.Fidonet.org (Lauren Podolak)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fr
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 01:58:06 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

HO>Want to hear about another one?  Try Royal Rife in the 20-30's.  He found
HO>a cure for cancer, but the phameutical (ok, drug
HO>companies) and the American
HO>Cancer Society fixed that with the help of the AMA.

HO>Nothing a little greed wont stop!

I that was Hoxley?  He defended his cure in a Chicago court room in the
30's and won only to be closed down on a legal technicality about
crossing state lines.

Lauren
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: Re^2: alien info.wanted
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:18:48 GMT

From article <1992Nov12.194151.11936@odin.corp.sgi.com>, by rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith):
> 
>>Is it a ufology requirement that one know nothing of elementary
> astronomy?
> 
> Is it an astronomy requirement that one be a pompous ass?
> 
> Rod 
> 
> -- 
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> Datacom I/S      |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,
> rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge."
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  Whoa! That's a little harsh Rod! Maybe it is you who deserves the 
  title you so lightly place. That person was right on the button.
  SO many of the references to constellations, and other astronomical
  quantities in this group are TOTALLY BOGUS. It is important that 
  it be made clear. If someone says something utterly and obviously
  wrong like 'Alpha Centauri, on the other side of the Galaxy',
  they should be ROASTED. I am sick of all this 'from the constellation
  XYZ' baloney. It was recently stated that constellations are simply
  2D projections of stars in 3D space which are not necessarily near
  to each other AT ALL. Saying a group of aliens is from some given
  constellation is exactly equivalent to saying that they are from 
  'this arm of the galaxy', NOTHING MORE.  I posted once that is was
  one thing to assert some theory based on experience or even opinion,
  but TOTALLY another thing to butt heads with plain, proven facts.
  Please let those of us who have a little real, scientific, fact-based
  info, share that with the group.

  The Earth is not flat, nor is it hollow.
-Max