From: kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi)
Subject: Affirm/Action is WRONG!!   So is Charles Larue!!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:44:01 GMT

>From: cll5685@rigel.tamu.edu (LARUE, CHARLES L.)
>Subject: Re: Discrimination against whites is rampant
>Date: 5 Jan 1993 11:38 CST

>Your examples are full of holes.  There are not many blacks playing hockey and
>tennis because they don't care to play these games.  Show me where blacks are
>trying to play hockey on the college level.  On the other hand, I can assure
>you that there are plenty of white guys who would love to play in the NFL or
>NBA but can't because it is dominated by blacks.  How is this any different
>from the black man who aspires to be the CEO of a large company?  By using your
>logic, I could say that these jobs are some of the few that blacks have not
>infiltrated in large numbers and whites see that they have a good chance at
>success so a disproportionate number of whites aspire to be CEO's.  If you
>disagree that there should be more whites playing professional sports then I
>must disagree that there must be more black CEO's.

>As for doing things that amuse the white world.  Ask Michael Jordan if he would
>accept a job in the board room for similar money to what he is making now. 
>What do you think he would say?  Sure, because I am tired of being treated like
>a pitiful black man who must make a living by amusing the white world?  HA!   I
>know plenty of white guys who would love to make a living like this.


>Also, you said you had pretty good grades.  I bet you had a pretty nice
>scholarship for college.  Contradict me if I am wrong.  I had pretty good
>grades also, but still had to work in excess of 40 hours a week to put myself
>through school.




	First of all, it is my opinion that Affirmative Action is wrong.
Period.  Employment based on racial criteria is inconsistent with the 
goal of equality among the races, or more accurately, among the different
shades and cultures that comprise the human race.  Period.

	AA is a copout solution to the real problem of racism, ie. a badly
applied bandage on a deep, and gaping wound. Taking the black/white
scenario, the signal that AA sends is that blacks should compete against
blacks for a set quota of positions (that determined by population logistics)
and white should compete against whites for a set quota of positions (again,
determined by population logistics).  This serves not to unite and create 
equal opportunities for all (although the appearance is projected) but rather,
to segregate the races.  Apartheid of a subliminal kind, if you may.

	There are many alternatives to AA, if society really wants to move
in the direction against race segregation.  One clear way is to demand that
all potential employers keep complete records of all applications (it can
be done, ie. this is the computer age) AND  give receipts to all applicants
as a sort of 'proof of application'.  Then, the government would proceed
with random spot checks of employers 'application database'  to see whether 
race is being used as a factor in employment, ie. whether only qualified 
people are getting the jobs, or whether less qualified white people are 
getting preferential treatment, or vice versa, etc.   If race is being 
used as a criteria for employment, then the company would be fined something
steep, ie. 25% of its assets or what not.  (this would be a great way
of getting revenue for the government!!, no?)   IN EFFECT, there would be
no need for quotas, ie. the company can still hire all white if it wants...
only, there better not be any 'more qualified black people' in their 
application database.   

	Furthermore, a more accurate representation of the
population would turn up in the job sector, ie. a municipality with 85%
white population would theoretically fill out ('whitely') 85% of the 
applications and given all other things equal, would have 85% of the
qualified people for the given jobs).   Again, 100% of the jobs could
still go to whites, but people generally tend to co-operate when
greenbacks and light wallets are involved.


	Again, there are many ways to combat racism.  But first, we
must truly want to unite as human beings in our hearts, NOT segregate 
as racists.

	
  
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	Now, to my second point.  You are a racist Charles Larue.  It is
not merely my saying so.  To suggest that blacks don't care to play
tennis or hockey, is a severe ignorance of the economics involved in
partaking said sports (you might throw in golf here, too).  Blacks 
tend to play basketball, not because they like hoops better than nets, 
BUT because given lesser economic circumstance than whites as a class
of people, 'blacks' tend not to have money to purchase the expensive
accoutrements of the wealthier sports,ie. ice time in an indoor rink,
memberships at golf courses, tennis courts, the expensive hockey gear,
$200 tennis racquets, $500 golf clubs, $1000 attitudes, etc.)

	(Of course, ten people can chip in with five bucks a piece to buy
a relatively durable basketball...and last I heard, school playgrounds
are still free)





		Kumar


Ps:    ...racism of all kinds, against all peoples, is WRONG.


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