From: johndoe@crispus.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:42:44 GMT
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In article <BxtAB9.5MD@mail.boi.hp.com> jerryb@mail.boi.hp.com (Jerry Bidondo) writes:
>We've all seen it before--Elway pulls a rabbit (and usually a victory) out of
>his helmet in the last minute or two.  You can see the fire in his eyes when
>he completes a pass or scrambles out of bounds to stop the clock.  He wants
>to win and he'll do anything for it. 
>
>Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Dallas fan and I thanked the football gods when
>they drafted Aikman #1, but I have yet to see the fire and desire it takes to
>win a game when it comes down to the wire.  I despise the Broncos but hey--
>nobody does that comeback thing better than John-boy.  So Troy, get out your
>VCR and take a gander at a few Elway final drives and learn something.  Until
>you can pull out that close victory (remember Staubach too), this team still
>has work to do.

i think you're being a little too hard on aikman.  he got the team within
striking distance, and just wasn't able to pull the trigger on the last two
passes ... this time.  i agree he still has to prove himself a bit in these
situations, but one time does not a comeback qb make.

i am both a cowboys and broncos fan (made for interesting viewing in the 77
super bowl), and for every elway comeback, there is probably at least a
matching game where he could not pull the game out.  (granted, not all of
these elway could have done much about, but...)

92 SD  24 Den 21	elway int'd in the end zone in last 3 min
91 Rai 16 Den 13	...don't remember
91 Rai 17 Den 16	wasn't there a missed pat, & a last second missed fg?
91 Sea 13 Den 10	this game or 90, missed jackson for long td at end
91 Buf 10 Den  7	only buf td off elway int; elway injured for game end
90 Rai 14 Den  9	2 td fum ret for raiders; elway can't drive for winner
90 Buf 29 Den 28	blow 21-9 lead in 77 sec; elway can't overcome 8pt def
90 Chi 16 Den 13ot	...don't remember; did broncos have chance at end?
90 Rai 23 Den 20	...don't remember; last second raiders fg?
90 Sea 17 Den 12	was this the missed jackson td game?
89 Cle 16 Den 13	fans throw batteries; missed den fg; kosar dr for fg
89 Phi 28 Den 24	elway fumbles on scramble in last 2 min drive
89 Rai 16 Den 13ot	...don't remember; (another raiders win??)
89 NYG 14 Den  7	at least 2 missed 4th down conversions in 2nd half
89 SD  19 Den 16	...don't remember
88 KC  20 Den 13	...don't remember
88 Rai 30 Den 27ot	blow 24-0 lead; can't drive in ot
88 Rai 21 Den 20	elway can't drive from own 10 in last minute
87 GB  17 Den 17	elway drives for tying fg, but can't do it in ot
87 Min 34 Den 27	can't drive for game winner at end
87 Buf 21 Den 14	...don't remember; (1 or 2 buf safties?? + fgs)
87 Sea 28 Den 21	...don't remember
86 Sea 20 Den 13	...don't remember
86 SD   9 Den  3	elway 300+yd, but no tds, many ints
86 NYG 19 Den 16	elway throws int for td; giants win on last second fg
85 Ram 20 Den 16	...don't remember
85 Mia 30 Den 26	2nd to last drive fg; last drive fails
84 Rai 31 Den 28ot	...don't remember (there are so many raiders losses)
84 Rai 17 Den 14ot	...don't remember (like this, they're just a blur!!)
83 SD  16 Den 13	...don't remember
83 Sea 27 Den 24	last sec fg hits upright
83 KC  16 Den 13	last sec fg hits other upright (very next week)
83 Pit 24 Den 17playoff	elway int'd inside own 20; pitt gets td; no last drive

that is at least 33 chances in the last 10 years in which elway has been
within a td in the 4th qtr and failed to pull it out.  like i said, some of
these may have been last second game winners by the other team, but many of
them were failed drives that elway just couldn't pull out.

aikman is still young, and has a chance to develop this.  though hopefully,
he won't have to invoke it as many times as elway has.

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