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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 21:34:23 CDT
From: Roger Deschner <U52983@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.tn3270-l
Subject: Looking for PC tn3270 (desperately?)

There are several good ones. One of the good ones is free.

FTP Inc. Very complete. Very well supported. Includes color graphics
(3179-G) support, and NFS. Very clean and bug-free. Costs real money;
generally considered worth it.

IBM TCPIP V2. Not cheap. Rework of the previous University of Maryland
package. Very complete and well supported. A bit slow for anything less
than a 80386 processor. Packet driver support allows it to work with
strange networks and SLIP.

Clarkson CUTCP. Revision of NCSA telnet. Packet driver support for
those strange networks from Mars. Compact and fast, even on 8086
processors. Best for use with SLIP, because it remembers your IP address
for you. (You don't know how valuable this feature is until you have
used SLIP without it!) Has a unique built-in FTP feature which is
superior to the common built-in TFTP. Lacks color support, although it
works tolerably without, assigning different PC colors to 3270 normal
and 3270 high-intensity in 3278 mode. Clean and bug-free. Available
"free" (i.e. Free Software Foundation licensed) by anonymous FTP from
omnigate.clarkson.edu. Support provided via this list.

-- Roger Deschner, University of Illinois at Chicago u52983@uicvm.uic.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:30:17 EDT
From: H. D. Knoble <HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.tn3270-l,psu.questions
Subject: Re: PrtScrn problem...

Run the FTP DOS program INET which displays the version number of FTP
software that you're running. If it doesn't read Version 2.05 PL4 then
contact MOC (in 12 Willard), 863-4356, indicate your proof of FTP, Inc.
license, and have them send you the latest version of FTP software.
This update is covered by the site license which I'm assuming you
obtained the software under.

Install update; then try to reproduce this problem and please report
back to: DLB at psuvm.psu.edu, HDK at psuvm.psu.edu, and
MAC at psuvm.psu.edu. It would also be good to followup this posting with
the results of the update and attempt to reproduce the problem you are
experiencing.

In your case you are running DOS 4.01 and we're assuming that's up to date.
Any DOS 5.0 user should apply DOS 5.0 updates as per my posting under
psu.comp.micro on 7/16/92.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:49:34 EDT
From:         CLKREY@OA.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      RE: Posting of forwarded messages

Keep those forwarded messages coming!
Without Gleason in No.Dak., I would not have been in contact with the
folks at the Open Univ in the Netherlands.  Had I not connected with
the folks in the Netherlands, I would've wasted hours of research that
I might otherwise have undertaken.  (Thanks Sidney!)

And, please don't summarize 'em!
Key words and phrases might get lost in the process and we'd end up
transmitting data instead of information.  Reflexive & extensive text,
learner control & hypermedia may not seem critical to you...but at the
moment they're of major concern to me.

Cyndy Krey
clkrey@oa.stkate.edu
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:56:13 EDT
From:         Denis Lamy <Denis_Lamy@UQTR.UQuebec.CA>
Subject:      lost messages

Good day everyone,

Because of a change in the operating system (we're now under
AIX 3.2) all mail received by our computer between thursday
july 23 and sunday july 26 have been lost. So instead of
having a full mailbox this morning, a mere 6 messages made it
through.

If you have send anything to my address DENIS_LAMY@UQTR.UQUEBEC.CA
or on outliners  or concept mapping, could you please ressend
it for my benefit.

Hope to read you soon, =========================================

Denis Lamy                            MAIL: C.P.500
Dep. Sciences de l'education                Trois-Rivieres, Que.
Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres       Canada, G9A 5H7

E-Mail: DENIS_LAMY@UQTR.UQUEBEC.CA    FAX: (819) 376-5127
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:00:34 EDT
From:         Steve Taylor <ussjt@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

> Having just seen a faculty proposal for a "Center for
> Academic Innovation" on our Campus to support experiments in faculty
> curriculum development. . .

Dan: I'm intrigued by the name, at least, of the proposed center, despite
the proposal's shortcomings. Is there any chance you could share the
proposal, or at least a description of what it would have and do?

Steve Taylor
Faculty Information Technology Center
Emory University
ussjt@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:38:39 EDT
From:         Wayne Debly <DEBLY@ADMIN.HumberC.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

My experience in working with teachers is that the first felt need is the
use of a wordprocessor to prepare tests, handouts, etc.
Then something to handle marks - spreadsheet or speicialized program.
The next step that I am trying to move to is having them use the computer
for classroom presentation with something like Podium for the IBM and to
have them use the computer to compliment the lessons e.g. Let the students
do math homework on the computer with the computer presenting and marking
the questions and the teacher giving marks for the work.

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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:08:06 EDT
From:         IANHART@HKUCC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Requesting Info -- Courseware Development

Jim,
A very important journal for you or your library is Educational
Technology Abstracts, published by Carfax. Assuming that Lenoir-
Rhyne College is in the USA (and not some new Franco-German Euro
estanlishment) you should write to Carfax Publishing Company, P.O.
Box 2025, Dunnellon, Florida 32630.

Ian Hart
ianhart@hkucc.hku.hk
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:09:51 EDT
From:         JHDCI@royal.crc.uno.edu
Subject:      Re: convincing faculty

I'm not saying that faculty HAVE to write software to receive credit for using
technology.  Those faculty that do write software and expect to receive huge
royalty payments from are going to be few and far between and unless they get
some recognition, academic software will disappear.  Some people m
software on the vitas but it is probably valued about as much as membership
in the Kiwanis.  I wouldn't penalize those who don't write software but I
certainly reward those who do IF the software has merit.  Writing a program
that displays "Hello World" on the screen wouldn't get high marks from peers
so listing unreviewed software doesn't carry much weight.  Where does a
software writing academic get his/her work reviewed?  I don't know and would
love to hear any sugestions.
Jack DeGolyer[JHDCI@UNO.EDU]
University of New Orleans
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:06:23 EDT
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.NoDak.edu>
Subject:      VITA's Distribution Service (fwd)

Forwarded message:

> From: Volunteers in Technical Assistance <VITA@gmuvax.bitnet>
> Subject:      VITA's Distribution Service
> To: Multiple recipients of list DEVEL-L <DEVEL-L@auvm.bitnet>
>
> Hello,
>
> It is my pleasure to announce the availability of a new paper under
> the VITA Distribution Service:
>
> "Aiming for the Elusive Payoff of User Networks: An NGO Perspective,"
> by Stephen R. Ruth and R. R. Ronkin. (The paper describes ways to
> bring the benefits of networking to nongovernmental organizations in
> developing countries.) 29 kB. Available until 25 September 1992.
>
> To receive your free electronic copy of this paper, just send me a
> human-readable request asking for "the Ruth paper." I can then reply
> by return mail.
>
> You may also request information about the Distribution Service, if
> you are not familiar with it. Please consider the advantages of sending your
> papers to the Service for distribution to the List's subscribers.
>
> -Rafe-
>
> R.R. Ronkin, VITA Volunteer
> Volunteers in Technical Assistance
> <vita@gmuvax> or <vita@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
>


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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:04:00 EDT
From:         F0YU000 <F0YU@USOUTHAL.BITNET>
Subject:      Telecommunications & Digital Phone Systems

WE HAD EXACTLY THE SAME EXPERIENCE AND PROBLEM.  OUR FIRST
SOLUTION WAS TO INSTALL ANALOG LINES FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO
WANTED OUTSIDE ACCESS.  OBVOUSLY, THE NUMBER WAS LARGE AND
RESULT WAS EXPENSIVE.  FINALLY, WE PLACED A NET MODEM ON
THE SYSTEM AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING VERY WELL AND MUCH
LESS EXPENSIVLE.  WE USED SHIVA NET MODEM AND SHIVA SOFTWARE.
HOPE THIS HELPS.  GEORGE UHLIG  U OF SOUTH ALABAMA
                  F0YU@USOUTHAL
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 10:18:20 EDT
From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

Yes, I agree, CAI and CBI, and even the holy land of hypertext is and may not
be empowering..... school may not be empowering to anyone....

My concern with technology (as a system approach through various hardware)
my deskill teachers.... in many ways it allows for the intended purpose
of programmed instruction to be fullfilled.  Link all of this to
outcome based instruction, 5th year teacher ed, etc. we are talking about
major changes ..... of course if teachers took control of the curriculum with
parents, students, and the community then technology could be used to empower
those who historically never had power or a voice...

bob muffoletto
univ. of N Iowa
muffoletto@uni.edu
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 10:19:54 EDT
From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

A reply to Dan Mandell

I don't think it is as simple as "smoke and mirors", I think we have to look
at the way things are today in education and its relationship to other social
institutions and ask "why"....

if k-12 schools ar elooking towards more local control--site base--then
that refers to shift in control of the day to day life in the school... but
we have to consider what "things" can teachers have (or are given) control
over.... Think it is interesting that America 2000 calls for more
local control while imposing outcome assessment.  We all know that the
test drives the curriculum.... esp. at a time when school bashing is in.

in higher ed I see the movement towards larger classes, limiting what
strategies are avaiable... I have sections of 80 in a hands-on ed media
class for entry level ed majors-- then to control what is "taught"
the univ. wants to use video and computers to deliver instruction....
to solve the problem they have created... they say (our field) an
instructor canbe "more" effective using multi-media than lecture... well
maybe the problem is in the commitment to education itself... the problem
maybe in the large lecture class idea as a solution.

but then you throw in other concerns.... business for example, the changing
nature of our economy and the job market, etc... oh yes.. the poor are
also getting poorer.... then the question gets more complex..

well these have been some ideas in response to your reply.... I still think
the real question is who benefits from the current conditions found in
and outside schools.....

bob muffoletto
u of n. iowa
muffoletto@uni.edu
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:04:57 EDT
From:         Fred Olive <SLB2006@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      One question survey: Does your media center ...?

Does your media center/library have a catalog of your films/videos:
                            1.  available on paper?
                            2.  available online?
                            3.  available in both formats?

We are debating the issue of paper, online and/or "other". Thank you for your
help.

Fred Olive   SLB2006@UABDPO
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:03:26 EDT
From:         Denis Lamy <Denis_Lamy@UQTR.UQuebec.CA>
Subject:      Outliners

Here's an extract of the registration information for
PC-Outline, you'll find the address and information you need
in it.
================================================================

     When you register for a fee of $89.95 + $5 shipping, you will receive:
         ~    The latest version of PC-OUTLINE on disk.
         ~    The latest Users' Manual.
         ~    Toll-Free Technical Support for 1 year.

     When you register for a fee of $49.95 + $5 shipping, you will
     receive:
         ~    The latest Users' Manual.
         ~    Non-Toll-Free Technical Support for 1 year.

     When you register for a fee of $29.95, you will receive:
         ~    A license to use the copy of PC-Outline currently in your
              possession.
         ~    Non-Toll-Free Technical support on a Pay-As-You-Go basis.

     You MAY NOT give copies away or sell PC-Outline in connection with
     any  commercial product, service or venture without our written
     permission.

     Mail checks to Brown Bag Software, File #41719,  P.O. Box 60000,
     San Francisco, Ca 94160-1719. California residents:  Please add 7% tax.

     Or call 408-559-4545,
     MC/Visa/Amex Accepted

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As for GrandView it's distributed by Symantec Corporation, you
should ask for a local vendor of their product if he doesn't
have it he might be able to order it for you, I have no idea
of the price.

Hope to read you soon, =========================================

Denis Lamy                            MAIL: C.P.500
Dep. Sciences de l'education                Trois-Rivieres, Que.
Universite du Quebec a Trois-Rivieres       Canada, G9A 5H7

E-Mail: DENIS_LAMY@UQTR.UQUEBEC.CA    FAX: (819) 376-5127
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:11:38 EDT
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.NoDak.edu>
Subject:      Artsplash 1992 (fwd)

Forwarded message:
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:49:12 GMT
> From: rich@tosh.wcc.govt.NZ
> Subject: Artsplash 1992
>
>                           Artsplash 1992
>                           ==============
>
> 29 July 1992  2100 to 0100 GMT - Primary Children
> 30 July 1992  0700 to 1000 GMT - Secondary Children
>
>
> As a part of the Wellington Young Peoples Festival, the
> Electronic Cafe at Capital Discovery Place, will be running an
> ARTSPLASH. This is an electronic art event mainly using fax
> transmission. In addition, during the day's events, an on-line
> chat session will operate on Internet Relay Chat.
>
> About 1,000 children will be passing the display of fax art and
> on-line chat during the day and normally stop to join in. The
> theme of the day is DISCOVERY.
>
> Art Work - "My Face - Our Place"
> --------
>
> Art work can be faxed to +64 4 801-3909 from anytime now onwards, and
> will be put on display during the Festival, in the Michael Fowler
> Centre.
>
> Please contact via fax or email if you would also like to receive
> faxes from children in Wellington.
>
> The theme of the art work is "My Face, Our Place"
>
> Internet Relay Chat
> -------------------
> During the day of 29 July, from 2100 GMT until 1000 GMT on 30
> July, we will be operating a non-stop chat session on Internet
> Relay Chat using the host kosmos.wcc.govt.nz. The IRC channel
> will be called ARTSPLASH. Please join us for a friendly chat on
> the childrens festival, art work, your holidays, or anything
> suitable to young children. The account that will be in use will
> be,
>
>     stanley_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz   (Glen Stanley)
>
> Please help this fun event by joining in.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Artsplash is organised by Electronic Cafe, Capital Discovery
> Place, with assistance of the Wellington City Council.
>
> Contact Glen Stanley, Phone +64-4-801-3908 Fax +64-4-801-3909
> Stanley_G@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
>
> --
> rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
>


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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:38:28 EDT
From:         FUNNELL@bmeucl.medcor.mcgill.ca
Subject:      Posting of forwarded messages

Recently a number of postings to EDTECH have been messages
forwarded from other sources.  I personally find that this
adds unnecessarily to the already almost overwhelming task
of keeping up with e-mail from LISTSERV's, and also adds to
the strain on computer and network resources.  In most cases,
if the message is of any interest I've already received it
directly from the original LISTSERV.

I'd like to suggest that, rather than forwarding messages
of potential relevance to EDTECH, people might occasionally
post compilations of 1-or-2-line summaries of such messages,
with pointers to where the originals can be found.  This would
allow the rest of us to ourselves subscribe to interesting groups
of which we might not have been aware.

I'd be interested to know what others think about this.

-- Robert Funnell, Dept. BioMedical Engineering, McGill University, Montreal
   FUNNELL@MEDCOR.MCGILL.CA
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:37:12 EDT
From:         "Jim Swanson, Lenoir-Rhyne College" <swanson@alice.lrc.edu>
Subject:      Repeat of request for courseware info

About a week ago, I sent this to the list:

>I would appreciate readers of the list sending me the names/publishers of the
>one or two texts that they feel are BEST on the topic of Courseware
>Development.  That is, if you were going to teach a course to graduate or
>advanced undergraduate students relating to that subject, what's your opinion
>on the best text to use??

>If you can suggest the better periodicals in the field, I'd appreciate that
>too [...].

>Thanks for your help! Help from lurkers is welcome.

So far, I've received 3 suggestions and 5 requests for summaries!  What's the
opinion of you readers?  Should I wait until the semester begins next month?
Don't any other lurkers want to respond?  Help!!

		Jim Swanson
		Lenoir-Rhyne College
swanson@alice.lrc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:59:35 EDT
From:         "Mary A. Sooh" <msooh@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Fairfax)

What has been found in the past in introducting new
technologies (overheads and film projectors even) is that it is
most efficient to work with those who are enthused, and the
trickle-down effect will often work.  At the same time, of
course, getting the support of those in power is a definite
plus.  It's unrealistic to expect everyone to fall into line
given the inertia that exists in most of us.

Mary A. Sooh   msooh@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:54:06 EDT
From:         Elliott Mitchell <MITCHEEC@VUCTRVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Posting of forwarded messages

RF> Recently a number of postings to EDTECH have been messages
RF> forwarded from other sources...
RF> I'd like to suggest that... people might occasionally
RF> post compilations of 1-or-2-line summaries of such messages...
RF> I'd be interested to know what others think about this.

RF> Robert Funnell, Dept. BioMedical Engineering, McGill University,
Montreal

This is a *great* idea.  I've already forwarded this letter to a dozen
other lists <g>

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