HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani)
Subject: Research item - The Mannegishi
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:44:23 GMT


[Sorry about the repost. My attempt at cross-posting didn't seem to
work last time (something didn't seem to like spaces between the 
newsgroups.) - LS]


I was reading a cryptozoology book a while ago when I came across 
an interesting reference.

It was in Daniel Cohen's book "Encyclopedia of Monsters" (1982,
ISBN 0-948397-94-2) on page 197 within an entry on the "Dover Demon"
event in April of 1977. The text was discussing various proposed
explanations for the "demon" sighting.

   "... Someone also mentioned the Mannegishi creature, from the 
    mythology of the Cree Indians of Canada. They are supposed to be 
    little people with big round heads, small skinny bodies, big eyes
    and no noses. Their main purpose in life, according to the legends,
    was to play jokes on the big people."


The resemblence to "our friends the greys" (tm) is interesting and I
was curious if it goes any further. Maybe the greys were visiting the
Cree, or maybe we have a mythological precedent for the greys physical
appearance.

Does anyone have any information on the Mannegishi or know of a good
reference book? I know I could just go to a library and look it up, 
but my free time is non-existent; besides, others might enjoy this.


Note: I set the followups to alt.alien.visitors.



Leonard.

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From: nsabados@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Nick Sabadosh)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Dreams of encounters...
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:20:29 GMT
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

Since you started the thread, I'll join in.  I also had an odd dream, about a
week ago.

In it, I was sitting a table with two gentlemen I didn't know.  They were
discussing government UFO coverups, and that they thought it was all quite
silly and not true, that there were no actual UFO's, etc, etc  At that point,
I chimed in, referring to something I'd read here I think and using it as
support for the validity of the UFO coverup idea. (This in itself is a bit odd,
since I'm quite skeptical of that myself....)

Right at that point, I awoke
suddenly and could feel my upper leg tingling, as if it had 'fallen asleep'.
I was spooked though, because my immediate thought, weird as it is, was that
it was caused by aliens...trying to silence me, or keep me from thinking 
thoughts like that.  This is not something I go around claiming, mind you.
Anyway, I was wide awake at this point, but experienced that kind of paralysis
you get when you wake right from REM sleep.  I couldn't move, but my eyes were
open.  Needless to say, this added to my uneasiness with the situation.

I tried to call to my wife, simply to ask her to roll me over so my leg would
stop tingling...but all that came out was a muffled groan.  I tried a few more
times, and eventually she heard me and shook me.  She said she thought I was
talking in my sleep, and didn't know if it was good or bad and whether she 
should wake me up.  The paralysis left me then, and my leg felt better.

SOrry this was a book, but it was such an odd experience, I thought I'd share it...

Nick
From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and the Bible.
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:36:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Netcom - Forging Alliances in the New Age

In article <26385@castle.ed.ac.uk> M Holmes writes:

>titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight) writes:
>
>>Everybody keeps saying that these are the end times, and I am
>>inclined to believe it (I'm a Christian too).  UFOs could be increased 
>>spirtual activity as the angels (good and bad) get ready for the final
>>battle.  Remember, there is a war going on in the spirtual realm!
>>
>
>We should ship 'em some arms. Where there's a war, there's a profit.

But, as I'm sure you'll agree, it would be a profit without honor.

>FoFP

-- 
Rick Gordon      | "Often in error, never in doubt." 
rickg@netcom.com |   --- Universal Marketing Department motto
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III)
Subject: Re: Query and Introduction
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:38:19 GMT


This sounds an awful lot like ball lightning. Ball lightning is a known
atmospheric phenomena...the 'balls' are not usually as large as you
describe, however.

You should have no trouble finding many references to ball lightning.
You might ask at a local College, University, or even a local
meteorologist.


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: **GREY OCTOBER**
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:01:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171601.13346@sunova.ssc.gov> kevlar@andorra.ssc.gov (Kevlar) writes:
>
>
>
>      HERE IS THE TRUTH THAT YOU ALL FEAR.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
>OCTOBER SURPISE????
>
>You Fools! Perot is a Grey.
>How did he make his Billions? Advanced Tech.
>   ........
>
>Scared Yet?
>You should be!


What the heck is a "Grey" ??????????????

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:18:57 GMT

In article <schumach.717988616@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>You're on: my hundred dollars that the stupid "Face" is natural
>against your dollar that the "face" is artificial, with the 
>proviso that WE mutually agree on the decision. No appeal to
>any third party: this will put your integrity and mine on
>public trial. What say you? (I must say that I don't expect 
>the Mars Observer to return a high resolution image of the thing,
>because the high resolution camera can't really be aimed...)

I saw the original post, and I want in on this bet.  I've got
$100 against your $1 that says the Mars face is a natural feature.
-- 
--------------------
Craig Hyatt
NCSU@Raleigh, NC USA
echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu
--------------------
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: voting???
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:08:07 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Hi, this is to Rick.  My system seems a bit screwed and I tried to email you my
vote.  Please let me know if you received it.  Thanks.  Colleen :)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:27:44 GMT

In article <schumach.717988616@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>You're on: my hundred dollars that the stupid "Face" is natural
>against your dollar that the "face" is artificial, with the 
>proviso that WE mutually agree on the decision. No appeal to
>any third party: this will put your integrity and mine on
>public trial. What say you? (I must say that I don't expect 
>the Mars Observer to return a high resolution image of the thing,
>because the high resolution camera can't really be aimed...)


I'd like a 'piece of this action' as well.  Same terms.  I'm willing
to part with $100 if I can be convinced it was configured by some form
of intelligence (~= a beehive would be sufficient)  So long as I can expect
$1 if you, Josh, can be convinced it is some combination of natural terrain
features, shadow, and camera angle.  From your postings, I doubt you are
quite the typical open-minded skeptic, but that just means I'm accepting
what I calculate to be about 100000:1 odds.  Good enough in my opinion.



	Bob O'Brien

No .sig, but if I had one, it *might* say:

"I'm almost *absolutely* convinced space is so vast that there *must* be
(other) intelligent life out there somewhere.  I'm *just as* convinced that
space is so vast that we'll not only never make contact, but never find
even the flimsiest of trace"

then again, it *might* say:

"Intelligent life in the universe?  Not anywhere *I've* seen!"
 -----------
From: serget@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Serge Thill)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO talk shows?
Keywords: blue
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:48:37 GMT
Organization: OCCAM: The parallel world.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky) writes:
: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
: 
: >FoFP
: 
: and what kind of secret message is this?!? 

There is an easy guess for the second letter.

--
Serge
From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Christopher James Rogers)
Subject: New Planetoid
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:18:08 GMT

Hey could anybody give me any info about that new planetoid that was supposedly
discovered recently?  I asked in sci.astro, but they politely told me to read
Time.  I would, but I don't have access to it and I don't have the time to 
find it in our library.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx.

Later!
C J Rogers


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:16:56 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

You're on: my hundred dollars that the stupid "Face" is natural
against your dollar that the "face" is artificial, with the 
proviso that WE mutually agree on the decision. No appeal to
any third party: this will put your integrity and mine on
public trial. What say you? (I must say that I don't expect 
the Mars Observer to return a high resolution image of the thing,
because the high resolution camera can't really be aimed...)
From: U55909@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO talk shows?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:36:42 GMT
 <26228@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1992Sep26.034837.8459@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Extremely humorous satellite story (NOT!).  ANYWAY, if you are fortunate enough
(rich enough!) to have a dish, William Cooper(YES! The one and only! Stick the
Flames up your ass instead of sending them to me). On Mondays, Teusday, and
Wednesdays on satellite.  Albeit, he doesn't deal with UFO's too much lately.
For more info call 1 (310) 281-8222(machine).
                                                 ---Shawn---
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From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: **GREY OCTOBER**
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:30:52 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>|>Scared Yet?
>
>	I'm shaking in my boots...NOT!  GET A LIFE!
>
>
>	Steve Food_for_the_Grays/Reptoids


    Steve Get a life... IT'S A JOKE!    You are such a geek ;-)

    P.S. The "NOT" thing is way over used. Not funny anymore.

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Zaxxon
Organization: Purdue University, Indianapolis
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:23:37 -0500

In article <1992Sep30.204154.8791@news.vanderbilt.edu>, MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu () writes:
>
> 	Warning! Warning! Warning! Warning! Warning! Warning!
>
>
> 	I am Zaxxon.  I have found the Florida Everglades and am currently
> imbibingavailable swamp gas and will be releasing it over the Nashville
> and Lousville area on October 3rd.  Meanwhile, I must warn you!

Dear Mr. Zaxxon:

Last time you called yourself Earl, so I'll call you Earl Zaxxon.  Every fall
we get a few letters like yours from freshmen looking for swamp gas.  There is
no need to be looking for it in swamps.  The human race breeds an animal that
can process large quantities of vegetation into meat and swamp gas (methane,
CH4).  It is called a cow.  Millions of these creatures are roaming about
Indiana, Illinois, and Iowa among other states.  The gas is expelled from an
oriface on the rear of the animal.  I suggest you find a herd of these animals
to satisfy your needs.  But be careful and don't let 'em kick you.

--
James Harvey
harvey@iupui.edu  uucp: iugate!harvey  bitnet: harvey@indyvax
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:7018 sci.skeptic:17080 alt.conspiracy:10843
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Alternative 3": April Fool! (was: Bookstores and excellent books
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:34:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


>>jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>>there is a space effort by the US that is not publicised,
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
>Evidence, please?

... well, I haven't followed this discussion, but of course there is a
classified space effort, with launches from Vandenburg, and the
occasional shuttle mission (for the shuttle missions, the fact that
they occur is not classified, but what they are is.)  

>>there are technologies being used that could be far in advance of what we 
>>consider to be possible at this time,
>Evidence?  Or just a description of what these technologies are?

...up until quite recently, these included stealth technology, and for
instance still includes imaging hardware.  See Burrow's "Deep Black"
for a good discussion on this subject.  

   I'm not taking sides on the actual discussion, but I think you're
answering too broadly...

Charles
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 07:47:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep28.085156.15119@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

Dear Ruins People: Now to answer some questions. The reason I use 
the letter R. is that I had rather use the letter rather  than write
out the name many times. R. stands for the first letter in the name
Robert Stanley.  Mu is the continent that sunk in the Pacific and 
is also sometimes used to denote the city that we are talking about.
Mu covered a large area including parts of coastal California but then
that gets pretty confusing.
  It been asked why I don't use some source of information other than 
the National Examiner.  The article about the Piano Player using 
Plieadian music was from the front page of the Wall Street Journal.
The Baby Talk information came from a tabloid magazine (September 29,
1992 Sun page 5). Backing up just a bit, the Wall Street Journal
article was tuesday, September 4, 1990. I will have to admit that some
of these, even most of these tabloid magazines put out a lot of garbage,
lies and a lot of stuff just to get you to buy their paper, but they
do sometimes put out some things that have a grain of truth in them
that the controlled media will not handle, so I sift throuh this 
garbage and sometime come up with a pearl.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: palmj@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm)
Subject: Re: aliens are from hell
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:41:22 GMT

damiens@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Samien Dawyer) writes:

>I am a good clean-cut Australian catholic boy.... 

>I have read articles (all religious) which say that the UFO phenomenom's
>seen around the world are actually demons (from hell...you know, the hot
>place) who are sent here by Satan to temp people towards the sciences,
>and the unexplained and AWAY from the glory of our blessed Saviour Jesus
>Christ. I am inclined to believe this!!!! I also think (don't ask me how
>though) that when the end of the world does come...when the time of
>Christs second coming arrives, Aliens will come down to earth (demons)
>and, through the power of their 'superior intelligence' draw people AWAY
>from God and his most holy church!!!! 


>	If anyone else has these sorts of beliefs, or has heared
>anything about this, I would like more information (although I am
>already convinced that it is true). Please mail any responses DIRECTLY
>to me, as well as to this group... as I rarely get the chance to use
>this group. Thank you all... 

>God Bless... and don't believe everything that you 'think' you see.

>Damien Sawyer

>damiens@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
         ^^^^^^^^

Very unusual bit of irony here...

"Tartarus" is from the Greek "tartaros," meaning "a dark abyss; a place
of punishment."

It is used in the Bible only in 2nd Peter 2:4, where it is translated
into English as "hell."  The King James Version reads:

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to
hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto
judgement...[blah blah blah]...[then he knows how to help the righteous]."

I thought this was an interesting irony, but aside from that, I could be
inclined to believe that the "bad" UFOs are essentially the work of
these "bad angels" but at the same time it would be illogical to rule
out the possibility that there are *also* "good angels" and "good UFOs."

It seems pretty clear that God interacts with people (Biblically speaking),
on the same level.  He ate dinner with Abraham, wrestled fairly (to start)
with Jacob, whom was then named "Israel...for you have wrestled with God."
("Israel" means "to wrestle with God.")

He taught Israel to be strong against her enemies, sent Jesus to deal on
man's level.

Therefore, why wouldn't the "Kingdom of God" send good peoplein good ships
to fight against the bad ones?  Just as God cannot by nature violate
the moral principles that God has established, neither can God violate the
physical principles that exist.  Any perceived "miracle" is not a violation
but is an application within the laws of nature (which we may or may not
understand.)

Finally, one can wonder.  In Acts, when Jesus "ascended," it was said in 
the King James Version, "a cloud RECEIVED HIM out of their sight."

Rather than going on here...I think I'll post a list of "cloud verses."

JP
From: Earth@ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Another reminder - vote!
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:06:38 GMT
Reply-To: Earth@ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: The Alternative Universe

Dear all: I received a lot of votes overnight, but if anybody still has
to vote, please remember that time is running short... 16 hours left
as I am writing, probably 10 or less when you read it.

Remember: to vote reply by email to this article and add the line:

	Vote: (whoever you want to vote)

somewhere in the text. Do not worry too much if you sent already your vote,
and you didn't follow these instruction: this only means I'll have to add
the vote by hand - do not resend it. If you follow these instructions,
however, I'll have to spend less time on it. Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: thompson@scsuc.ctstateu.edu
Subject: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:04:57 GMT

ALL THAT TALK ABOUT GOING TO KINDERGARTEN WAS JUST HYPOTHETICAL RIGHT MAN, I
FAILED KINDERGARTEN, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK.  SO IF ALIENS DO COME AND FOR
SOME REASON WANT TO "ENLIGHTEN" US POOR BACKWARD HUMANS, I SAY SERVE THEM
DINNER AND ASK THEM TO GO.





















Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.astrology,alt.consciousness,alt.conspiracy,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Christopher James Rogers)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Auras
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:04:33 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1aflk8INNj37@male.EBay.Sun.COM> kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>As a little girl, I saw auras, as an adult, I still see auras.  If this is a 
>figment of my imagination, then I must have a really good one.  
>
>Kathie G.  ;.)

Some humans (and other creatures) have the special ability to see auras.  An
aura is psycic energy, but not neccessarily mystical.  It is a form of energy
like any other.  If dogs can see into higher wavelengths, then I belive it is
possible to see auras.


Later!
C J Rogers
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:14:24 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Gee, I thought I saw John's aura last night.  It sure was having fun without
him and it had red polkadots, blue stripe and little green and yellow
lightning bolts.  John, howcum you never tell us of these late night astral
plane, happenin' plces.  I found it when the transdimensional astral plane
had to make a forced landing.  Going there Friday night for sure. Let's have
a party. :) And bring some aliens! =:-)  Colleen
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: pkeller@sam.math.ethz.ch (Philipp Keller)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: Seminar for Applied Mathematics, ETH Zurich.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:53:59 GMT

I am not sure wheather it had been told here before, but
there is a new sf-book called
     'The Labyrinth of night' by Allen Steele
 which story is based on the assumption that the Face on Mars
was construction by aliens, build with the intent
to lure Homo Sapiens to Mars.
I don't want to tell too much about the story but in the 
introduction Allan Steele quiet of excuses his use of
the 'Face on Mars' and says that he has no opinion for
or against the idea that it is an artificial building and
that in sf anyway all goes.
Apart from all this, the book is really good.

Please don't flame me, I don't believe in all this but
this 'Face on Mars-thing' sure makes for great sf stuff.  

Philipp Keller
From: U55909@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Sumerians
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:17:55 GMT
 <92267.234519A54SI@CUNYVM.BITNET> <1992Sep24.150752.8061@odin.corp.sgi.com>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

The rest of Sitchen's volumes include: STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, LOST REALMS, WARS OF
GODS AND MEN, 12TH PLANET, GENESIS REVISITED (COMPANION BOOK).  That's not the
order though, I think it's 12th, stairway, wars, lost realms, Genesis (comp.),
Definitely check them out.  The series tends to be a tad boring 'cause of all
the ancient text, theories, evidence, etc.  But definitely read Genesis Revisit
ed.  I think that's all of them.

                                ---Shawn---
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors