From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.history,soc.culture.german
Subject: 'It' Has Long Since Been Shown To Have Been A Tissue Of Lies, 'Majka.'
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:30:00 GMT


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>and Germans alike. Few are innocent here. All carry
>some measure of guilt and responsibility. Mr. 'Mutlu,'
>however, ignores the manifold evidence which pins a
>great deal of blame and responsibility on Enver Pasha,
>Djemal Pasha, Talaat Bey and the other memembers of the
>Young Turk movement, not only for a fantastic campaign

Can you provide any proof for this assertion? During the First
World War, reporting became even less balanced and more anti-Turkish
because the stakes were rising, 'Majka.' The English propaganda
machine churned out atrocity stories against both Germany and its
ally Turkiye to aid in its war effort both at home and abroad.
Apparently, they even managed to fool you. Let me now dwell upon the 
killing of Talat Pasha based on a great historian's analysis for the 
rest of the netters, since you seem to be tap dancing to the Armenian 
propaganda movie scripts, fabrications, pseudo-scholar information 
and forged documents. Nine days before Talat Pasha's assassination, 
Aubrey Herbert, a British intelligence agent had a short meeting with him 
in a park in a small German town. This meeting corroborated earlier
intelligence to the effect that Talat Pasha was seeking support
from Muslim countries to help Mustafa Kemal's movement, that he was
organizing abroad a serious opposition movement against the Allied 
Powers, and that he was soon intending to take refuge in Ankara. 
What is more, Talat Pasha also dared to make the threat that he was
going to incite the Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist movements against
England, unless she signed a peace treaty favorable for Turkey.[1]
This courageous action of Talat Pasha made the British very
anxious. Their intelligence service established contact with its
counterpart in the Soviet Union to evaluate the situation. Talat
Pasha's plans made the Russian officials as anxious as the British.
The two intelligence services collaborated and signed among them 
the death warrant of Talat Pasha. Information concerning his 
physical description and his whereabouts was forwarded to their men
in Germany.[2] However, it was decided that Armenian genocide squads
carry out the verdict. As a matter of fact, Talat Pasha was
assassinated with a single bullet on 5 March 1921 as he came out of
his house in Hardenbergstrasse, Charlottenburg, Berlin, by an
Armenian terrorist from Erzurum named Soghomon Tehlirian. Seven
weeks later, the event was distorted in court, and his trial was
transformed into a forum for accusing the Turks on account of the
Armenian hoax.[3] At the conclusion of the trial, the Turks were
pronounced guilty because of the false telegrams attributed to Talat
Pasha[4] and false witnesses who testified. Because of the opinion
initiated at this trial, where the Turkish side was not represented,
the Armenian assassinations which have continued until our day, have
been enjoying a political atmosphere which has helped to justify the
crimes of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle and to let the
murderers go free. In addition, Armenian genocide squads twice dared
to plot against Ataturk's life after the Turkish Republic was established.
In the first attempt, an idiot named Manok Manokian, a member of the
ARF in Greece, set out in April 1925 from Salonica to go to Istanbul.
His two co-conspirators followed the Iskenderun and Adana route and
were supposed to meet him in Ankara. However, Turkish security forces
caught Manokian on time and he was executed on 5 May 1925.[5] Two years
later, yet another blood-thirsty Armenian terrorist Mercan Altunian and
half a dozen co-conspirators were surrounded by the Turkish security 
forces on September 14th at the Yildiz Nightclub before they could 
reach Ataturk in Dolmabahce. In the fighting that broke out, two of the
terrorists were killed, and two policemen also lost their lives. 
According to the British Ambassador in Turkey at that time, Moscow
which was getting more and more concerned about the fact that Turkey
was establishing closer ties with the West had organized this plot 
behind the screen.[6] 

[1] T. Cavdar, "Talat Pasha: Bir Orgut Ustasinin Yasam Oykusu," Ankara,
    1984, p. 466. A. N. Herbert, "Ben Kendim: A Record of Eastern 
    Travel," New York, 1925.
[2] PRO, FO. 371/4142/128077, from the High Commissioner in Istanbul
    to the Foreign Office in London, 4.xi.1919.
[3] M. Fisch, ed., "Le Proces de Tehlirian," Paris, 1981.
[4] S. Orel/S. Yuca, "The Talat Pasha Telegrams: Historical Fact or
    Armenian Fiction?" Nicosia, 1986.
[5] F. Kandemir, "Ataturk'un Izmir Suikasdindan Ayri Onbir Suikast,"
    Istanbul, 1955, pp. 110-111.
[6] BBA, BEO (S), K:34-54/12.

>For those snowed under by the weight of 'Mutlu'
>prolific quotations on the genocide of Turks, it is
>worth examining what  contemporary reports had to say
>about Turkish treatment of Armenians during this
>period.

Let us see - shall we?

>Petrograd, February 23, 1915 (Russkoe Slovo) -- Only

>Special Cable by Francis Lavelle Murray of the
>International News
>Petrograd, July 23:- 

>Aug 20, 1915, Petrograd (Reuter):- Almost unbelievable

>Rome, Aug 26, 1915 (Special Cable Dispatch to The
>Toronto Globe):- Giacomo Gorrini, the former Italian

I don't have the faintest idea what scholarly source it is to 
which you refer. 'The above propaganda material' has long since 
been shown to have been a tissue of lies, 'Majka.' During the 
war, the 'American, Russian and European press' spared none of 
its rhetoric. Now allow me to further expose the cold-blooded 
extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian dictators 
based on eye-witness accounts. According to historians and historical 
documents, the Armenian hoax constituted a perfect subject for 
propaganda for England. Wellington House soon began to work on the 
Armenian file and published a book called "The Treatment of Armenians in 
the Ottoman Empire" which was based on Armenian sources and documents
gathered together by Armenian propagandists from second and third
hand sources, and validity of these documents was not controlled.
Although this poor work was attributed to Lord Bryce [1] as part 
of an effort to increase its credibility, it was in fact compiled
by Arnold Toynbee who was at the time a young author and intelligence
officer as I exposed earlier. When the First World War broke out, the
Armenians started to massacre the Muslim population of eastern Anatolia
to establish an independent state for themselves at the expense of 
millions of innocent Muslims as declared and admitted by Armenians
themselves. However, according to Toynbee, there was no Armenian 
genocide squads, no Armenian rebellions, no Armenian massacres
of the Muslims, and they never tried to collaborate with the enemy.
Then Toynbee created hair raising scenes of massacres without 
mentioning his sources, without comparing his sources, and without
giving the names and surnames of his witnesses. He described the 
myth in great detail as if he had been one of the victims.[2]
His goal in doing so is obvious. As Ponsonby says, during a war 

 'tales of savagery are very popular. A war cannot be fought especially
  by this country (England) and by the United States without them.
  Slandering the enemy was regarded as a national duty.'[3] 

The same author goes on to say that tales of savagery were repeated 
interminably day after day in brochures, posters, letters and speeches: 

 'Famous personalities who would avoid condemning even their deadly 
  enemies for lack of evidence did not hesitate to serve as leaders
  in accusing a whole nation every conceivable savagery and unnatural
  murders.'[4]

Toynbee later admitted that he was a paid propagandist and corrected
himself. In the meantime, the tale of savagery and myth had to find 
support. Otherwise, the partitioning of Turkey among the Allies would 
become difficult. And I guess, you all know the rest of the story. The 
Kemalist forces had to kick some butts, including those of Armenian 
genocide squads and their clandestine genocide organizations.

[1] Let us also remember that Lord Bryce put his signature to an
    official British publication on German 'cruelties' as well.
    M. Megret, "Psikolojik Savas," Istanbul, 1972, p. 65. 
[2] "The Treatment of ..." 
[3] A. Ponsonby, "Falsehood in War Time," New York, 1971, p. 22.
[4] Ibid., p. 129.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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