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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Creators rule (was Re: NHS #$ (color))
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:57:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Oct14.235729.25691
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct14.123622.21275@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
> In article <1bgc0kINN41@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High) writes:
> >
> >While on the topic of NHS, I'd like to make mention of the fact 
> >that I'm in the process of getting Ben a bona fide internet account.

It wouldn't be the first time.  Some time ago Ben (and Robert DeJesus)
posted a couple of messages to rec.arts.anime.  The funny thing is, Ben
acted as if he didn't expect anyone to know who he was.  BIG mistake.  :-)

Between all the people praising and criticizing his work in NINJA
HIGH SCHOOL, and one guy accusing him of not being the real Ben but a
forgery, I think it was too much for him.  :-)

> You realize, of course, that doing so is going to screw up the r.a.c. rule
> of creators on the net. So far it's been that someone with the same name
> as a comics writer is that writer (Peter, Roland Mann), while the same name
> as an artist or writer/artist (Kevin Maguire, Art Adams, Michael Collins)
> is not that artist. 

No it wouldn't.  Ben is an artist AND writer.  The rule is unclear in such
situations.  :-)

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From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 35
Keywords: sandman annotation
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:18:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.155139.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@physics.rice.edu writes:
>
>                         The Annotated Sandman
>    
>               Edited and largely written by Greg Morrow
>      
>                Issue 35:  "Beginning to See the Light"
>                     Neil Gaiman and Shawn McManus
>
>Page 11 panel 2:  No refs for Gniedrig.  Probably a German or Polish myth.
>	Panel 7:  The Land has the surface appearance of a children's fantasy
>land, like Oz or (particularly) Narnia.  Wilkinson's remark about "necessaries"
>points out, even more than the Tantoblin's grisly form, the entirely different
>style of the Land now that Barbie is full grown.

	Hmmm..I'll have to go back and check, but did anyone else think
of "Drinenberg (sp?)" and "Totleben" (shucks, how do you spell those guys
names anyway?) when reading the above paragraph?
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From: gu@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Ushaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Vertigo : Hunh?
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:56:50 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

003695s@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE) writes:


> Could somebody please post any available information on the Vertigo line 
>from DC, including the article from CBG if possible?  Tanx.

DC are paring off their mature titles to form a seperate line of comics
under the name of Vertigo. I believe january will see the first vertigo
issues on the shelves.

The existing titles which are going vertigo are doom patrol, shade,
sandman, animal man, hellblazer and swamp thing and there are bags of
new titles on the way.

january also sees the start of a Death mini-series by Gaiman/Bachalo and
a limited series called Enigma by Milligan/Fegredo. In the next few
months we'll see, amongst others, Sandman Mystery Theatre by Matt Wagner
- an ongoing series featuring the Wesley Dodds Sandman, Sebastian O by
Morrison/Yeowell, Black Orchid by Foreman, Kid Eternity by Nocenti/ Sean
Phillips, Mystery Play by Morrison and a whole bunch of other groovy
stuff.

 hope that helps
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 09:51:23 EDT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

> In article <1992Oct07.231316.11685@edsi.plexus.COM> terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Te
> >kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin J. Chen) writes:
> >
> >>Desire is standing in her gallery staring at Dream's helmet saying, "I'm
> >>watching you, Big Brother" (a cute reversal of the phrase, IMO).
> 
> may be mistaken (I'll have to check issue #1), but I believe
> Unity was impregnated *before* 1948, when _1984_ was written.
> How, then, would Desire know to say "Big Brother, I'm watching
> you"?

In the realm of the Endless, all time is eternal.  There are no 
anachronisms in Desire's life.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel -Warchild
Date: 13 Oct 1992 07:26:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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In <22875@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:


>Well, the only reason I bought Grendel is because everyone on the net was  
>saying how good this book is/was.  I missed the first ones, so I decided to  
>give warchild a chance...  sofar BIG dissappointemnt (espec. #3)  Matt is  
>dragging this thing out beyond belief!

>Is it just me?
If Warchild is your first exposure to Grendel, there are some things you
should realize.  First off, the other stories so far have been nothing like
this.  That's ok, no two Grendel stories are alike in style - that's alot
of the point.  So for those of us who have been along for the entire ride,
this action oriented story is kind of a break from the last arc, which
was words and small pictures.  Unforunatly, it's been a *long* time since
that last story arc - but this one was planned to come right afterwards.
Warchild 3 should have been Grendel 43, and should have been published years
ago.  Anyway, if you don't like this Grendel, pick up one of the graphic
novels, you will find them quite different.  Naturally, they all revolve
around the same basic theme of agression that defines Grendel.

As for Warchild itself, I'm enjoying it.   It's a fun ride, and I know
that Wagner will get back to the larger plot eventually.  And the questions
about the nature of this new Grendel are holding my attention.  Probably not
so interesting to someone who doesn't know about the nature of the Grendel
force or the life of Orion. 

What I would really like to see is Wagner's version of Beowolf.  I talked
to him at some length about it at a con several years back, and it sounds
great.  Hope he eventually does it...

 
-- 
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gender Character Contest
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:23:46 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

In <1992Oct3.151127.9458@athena.cs.uga.edu> houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:

>In article <80951@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>It'd be a bit different if you asked for favorite male *and* female
>characters

Male *and* female character?

Um....  Shade?

[Insert Looney Toons theme here...]

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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:24:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>What I'd really like to see is a SANDMAN done by Alan Davis.  His Death
>would be to die for.

You all forget (if I haven't missed anything) the 'horror' master:

Berni Wrightson.


His Sandman would be incredible.

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Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 12:32:53 -0400 
From: "Joe Nathan Haralson, II" <jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cyber Force >>#1<< and Youngblood (Yeech!) >>#3<< are coming!

Cyber Force #1 and Youngblood #3 should already be on the shelves,  I 


On or about 10/15-10/16 the following Image titles should be out.
WildC.A.T.s #2
Youngblood #0
Extreme the art of Rob Liefeld
Shadow Hawk #2
Brigade #2

On or about 10/22-10/23 the following Image title should be out.
SPAWN # 5  (all caps because I am a big Spawn fan)

I have noticed that a lot of Sandman and Cerebus fans tend not to like
Image titles.  To the people who fit this description I suggest you give
Spawn a try.   The fact that Alan Moore, Dave Sim, Neil Gaiman, and
Frank Miller all are willing to apply their considerable talents as well
as their names to this book has to say something for quality of Spawn. 
By the way I read and enjoy Sandman and Cerebus.

**************************************************************
"Never explain computers to a layman;  easier to explain sex to a virgin."
"... though virgins tend to know more about computers."

Peace

Mr. Mischievous
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "But I Digress" from _Comics Buyer's Guide_ #976
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:40:51 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct8.221341.8150@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, Soaf1!wb3ffv!aplcen!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!wntrmute@uunet.UU.NET (August Paul Yang) writes:
> 
> This article gives advice on how to break into writing comics for the Big Two
> (DC and Marvel for those who think Image and Marvel are the Big Two.)

First of all, I want to thank Mr. David for writing this article.
I remember suggesting the idea several months ago, and I'm sure other
people have as well.  This was a sorely needed thing.

Second:  someone PLEASE take this article and put it on an FTP site!!
I'm sure people will be asking for it in the future.

> 	If you want to write, though, you should be reading as wide a variety
> of things as you can.  There's no better way to absorb the basics of writing
> than to see how others are doing it.  And for heaven's sake, if you want to
> write comics, don't just read comics.  What will make your stories fresh,
> vibrant, and, most important, noticeable is bringing techniques and subject
> matter that you've learned from other writers along with you into the comics
> world.

I'd add the following:

	Comics is a synthesis of two talents:  writing and drawing.
	Don't just tell the audience what is happening, SHOW them.
	In order to do that, you should know techniques to do so.
	Watch films, video, theater plays.  Analyze what works in
	terms of creating a mood, or set a pace for a story.

Of course, I'm not a pro writer like Mr. David, but I think it's not
a bad idea.
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:22:55 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Oct11.183312.8018@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu
(T.C.Weaver) writes:

[various historic artists erased)
>Mervyn Peake. Pleeeeease!

Oh, this would be great. The Endless come to Gormenghast, the one place in the
Universe which makes Dream seem happy-go-lucky. Although, what with
Sourdust's library and all, I'd figure it more a haunt for Destiny.
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gamain & Pratchett's Good Omens
Keywords: Gamian good omens
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:34:18 GMT
Organization: The Little Useless Squids of the Poor


In <1992Oct16.181914.17399@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:

>No real need to campare it to Sandman. It is an excellent book and
>stands by itself. Well worth picking up. As for the supposed movie
>version (supposedly not happening now) 

Does no one read my posts? I feel so useless.

The (fictional) story so far on Good Omens: The Movie:

- Gaiman and Pratchett write book. Natch.

- Terry Gilliam likes book and wants to do a movie version.

- Someone mucks with Gilliam so G&P think he's not interested. Movie rights are
  sold to producers of "Home Alone". 

- Gaiman and Pratchett go Hollywood. Seen dining with starlets at Spago.

- Several versions of a script are written. Each receives bad reactions from
  the powers that bought the puppy. My favorite appraisal of the situation
  was by Neil who said it was like someone who had bought chocolate chip 
  ice cream complaining that there were these small chocolate bits in their
  ice cream. Pratchett grows weary of Hollywood BS. Ugly scene at the Polo
  lounge. Spielberg accidentally set on fire.

- The situation worsens. New appraisal is that now the people are complaining 
  that their ice cream is cold and creamy. 

- Producers decide to bring in a director to give project some direction.
  In private, Gaiman notes he had suggested this from the start.

- Producers pick the legendary Edward Wood to direct.

- Producers are shocked to learn that Wood is dead. Hollywood psychic who 
  claims to channel for Wood is given the job.

- Project reaches Casablanca and waits and waits and waits...

- Movie rights run out and there is much rejoicing. Former Occidental student
  is said to be negotiating for movie rights. 

So the movie has left Miracle Studios ("If it gets made, it will be a 
Miracle!") and is now back in the realm of the purely speculative. 

Disclaimer: Hey, I'm in Minnesota! What do I know about Hollywood or movies?
I'm not even sure I spelled "Spago" correctly.
--
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From: rasmith@athena.mit.edu (Ryan A. Smith)
Subject: Sam & Max
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:22:41 GMT

In a note I got from Steve Purcell, he mentions that Sam & Max T-shirts
and pins are about to hit the comic book stores.  He suggested that us
Sam & Max fans call our local stores and ask them to carry the stuff.

  --Ryan

I laughed at Death's haircut highway surfing with Sam & Max	


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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov   (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Liefeld and Youngblood ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 10 Oct 1992 12:27 EST  

Hi!

What does Liefeld's characters carry in all those little-itty-bitty-teeny-
weeny pouches that they all seem to have?  And what are all those little 
rounded metal canisters that they strap to their bodies for?  And why do 
they all have segmented-cable-thingies around their shoulders?

Isn't it just soooo koowl that the characters can keep changing their 
costumes from panel to panel?  Check out Prophet in Youngblood #3 on pages 
1-4.  First he has the little-itty-bitty-teeny-weeny pouches strapped to 
his leg, then he doesn't.  He has the segmented-cable-thingies around his 
shoulders, then he doesn't.  He has a shoulder pad on his left shoulder, 
then he doesn't.  Wow, and his costume has a regenerative characteric too; 
It's all torn up and stuff, then boom!  It repairs itself.  Koowl.

And Dear Mr. Rob Liefeld is soo generous.  Four full pages dedicated to 
the letters column - 16 letters in all.  All praises.  Boy, I guess 
everyone in the whole wide world really loves Dear Mr. Rob Liefeld's work; 
all those koowl characters, and koowl costumes, and koowl splash pages.  

Ummm!  And the writing!  Umm, Umm, Good!


    :)
 - Wayne.
Actually, the writing in #3 is better than in #1.  What ever that means.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: cerebus 162
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:13:16 GMT

<whaps forehead> Duh.  Oh yeah.  Jaka went to work for Pud *after* the 
Cirinists took over, and Pud thinks something to the effect of "all the money 
my mother saved gone in one year" during Jaka's Story.  But does Cerebus really
sit at Dinos for 2 years?  Or did Oscar get released quickly because of failing
health?  I'll have to borrow Melmoth again, it seems....
     Dave Van Domelen, anyone else figure out that last week's STTNG was "A 
Portrait of Dorian Gray" within a minute of the opening. if not sooner?
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: What should be told to all those big cosmic villains
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:23:21 GMT

Warning: some language may be unsuitable for minors or people of delicate 
sensibilities.
     In the recent Doom Patrol, the Templar Kipling tells off the candlemaker 
in a wonderfully rude way.  This is how you should treat big cosmic baddies!  
Even if they kill you after, it's such a wonderful feeling to just tell them 
the hell off, and I quote:
     "I refuse to listen to this utter shit for one second longer...[villain 
says I'll kill all of you]...Oh, piss off!  I've had *enough* of your pathetic 
sepulchral voice and your shitty death rays.  Go on, then!  Pull my bloody head
off, you ridiculous prick!  I don't think you *can* anymore, can you, you 
wanker?"
     Rude and crude, but awfully cathartic.  He musta worked in the Abuse 
office for a while. }->
     Dave Van Domelen, can I vote for Rebis for fave comic babe?  Half a vote?
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From: 10726446@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (LAU WAI KUEN)
Subject: Re: cerebus 162
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:50:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.133132.7585@iscsvax.uni.edu> rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu
>Subject: Re: cerebus 162
>Date: 13 Oct 92 13:31:32 -0500
>> : karen williams:
>> : ...we see Astoria in chains on one side of a double-page spread, I assume
>> : Cirin on the other side, and Cerebus wielding a sword emerging from what
>> : looks suspiciously like a vagina in the middle. On the last page he disappears
>> : with a ...um...bang. So, given that this story is called "Mothers and 
>> : Daughters," and that Cirin is an aardvark and thinks mothers are the best
>> : things in the world, and Astoria was pregnant at one time but we've never
>> : seen the baby, and everything else that's going on, what could Sim possibly
>> : mean by this? Assuming, of course, that I'm not completely off the wall.
>> : 
>> I thought of this, too, but I wasn't able to come up with any kind of
>> possible explanation for it. But, yeah, it does look like something
>> might be going on on those two pages.
>> 
>> -C
>
>hmmm... granted it's been, seemingly, quite some time since Cerebus Had His Way
>with Astoria, but... maybe Most Holy should have pulled out... ?
>
>!rez

  I always thought that the title "Mothers and Daughters" referred to
Astoria and Cirin (since A is C's adopted daughter).  Since 162 is
the end of the 'flight' section of M&D, the scene where cerebus gets
squeezed out between the two might mean that the next section will
be mostly about A and C.  (Wasn't there something about this in
one of the Sim Interviews... number 6 or 7.  I'll have to check
my saved copies on this.)

halcyon
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: POLL - Your favorite LNHer!
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:09:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
X-From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
X-Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh
X-Date: 15 Oct 92 21:09:22 CDT
X-Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Okay, I'm bored and traffic here is sluggish and I don't feel like
writing, so I'll go for this - A NEW LNH POLL!
  Send in your top *four* favorite LNH *heroes* to me at my email
address.  Please do not name any character you have created in the
four.  I will take entries until Thursday, Oct. 22, at which point I
will total them up and post the results.  Last time I did this I got
five replies (including mine!), so please respond.  First place nets 4
points, 2nd = 3, 3rd = 2, and 4th = 1.  Only send ***4*** heroes or
less; in the event of a tie for 1st, second, or 3rd, leave off 4th
place.  Only the top 4 you submit will be counted.
  Thank you.
                                        -Drizzt
 
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: CYBER FORCE #1
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:54:52 GMT

This may well be *the* comic of the year!!! 

Marc Silvestri really blew me away. I thought it would be good. I knew
I liked him from X-Men & Wolvie, but this art is totally and completely
light years ahead of anything I've seen from him. 

(It blew YB #3 away :))

Do yourself a favor and get this book, and look at the art. The colors 
are incredible, the drawing is incredible, what can I say?

He's leapt from X-Men, which would be the top of most artist's careers,
to something astounding. The uniforms and characters jump off the page.
The grunt's battle suits are really awesome. The characters are 3D real
life ones.

And who is that blue woman? That's the most visually impressive character
I have ever seen.

Get it!!!

Scott