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From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Assists
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:48:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <45331@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, courier@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (William Pittenger) writes:
> 
> 	Assists should be calculated when the person who is dribbling the ball
> passes it off and the other person takes a shot without dribbling. It is the
> premise that once the ball touches the floor, there is no more assist for the 
> other person. This is the way assists are calculated in any game of baskeball.
> 

	The following info comes from a friend, who is a member of the Boston
Celtics scoring crew:
----

Here is the direct quote from the NBA rule book:  "An assist is credited to
the player tossing the last pass leading directly to a field goal, if and only
if the player scoring the goal demonstrates immediate reaction toward the basket.
No more than one assist is to be credited for each field goal.  An in-bounds
pass can be an assist, providing it leads directly to a field goal."

Then they give some examples.  Here's the most pertinent one.  EXAMPLE:

Ball is passed to a player who dribbles once, headfakes, and scores.  Credit
passer with an assist as the continuity is not broken by the dribble or the
headfake.

So, yes, of course you can dribble before a basket and still get an assist.


-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Matt Young is so pathetic, he can even screw up a no-hitter!!!
From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Oh yeah smartypants?
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:32:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr17.173257.19370
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

In article <1992Apr16.162152.3574@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <kujimvINNs5u@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN) writes:
>>Who said I don't know anything about AIDS?  All I was making a point about was >that Larry doesn't currently have it (to the best of my knowledge) and that
>>shows something about responsibility.  I was not speaking of Larry asking
>>people about AIDS.  BTW, I am not ignorant, I be a Mensan, member # 1130662
>>with a 140 I.Q., so what's yours?
>
>Hmm.  What does the fact that Arthur Ashe *does* have AIDS say about his
>being responsible?  I guess he should have been more careful about his
>cholesterol intake so he wouldn't have needed bypass surgery.  Isn't it at
>least as likely that Larry Bird isn't HIV+ because he has been lucky, rather
>than particularly responsible?

First off, we don't know that Larry's HIV neg., because he's never publicly
stated, one way or another, nor has any other player for that matter.

Also, Ashe's cholesterol intake is not the problem: unfortunately he's got a 
rare genetic disposition that causes him to have abnormally high levels of 
lipoprotein a.  So, I guess he should have been more responsible when choosing
his parents.

Do I need to post my SAT scores & IQ for this post to be credible?   

Terra
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laker Injuries
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:00:20 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

Why would any laker fan want them to make the playoffs?
They have a mediocre team this year and will jsut get hammered in the play
offs.
Surely, a far better strategy is to hope they get a high lotter pick?????

Should the lakers be striving for a playoff whomping or SHAQ???????

Don't flame me I'm a laker fan. Shaq says he wants to play for the lakers--
least the laker can do is give us a tiny bit of hope it could happen. 
SOmeone else needs to get hurt...AC green maybe?


Roy
From: Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Legend Bird
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:43:39 GMT
 <204951@unix.cis.pitt.edu> <1992Apr15.151221.538@ll.mit.edu>  
 <1992Apr15.192135.31002@uvmark.uucp>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr15.192135.31002@uvmark.uucp>
davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

> Bird is currently, including this season, as follows:
> 
> 24.29ppg, 10.004 rpg, and 6.35apg.  
> He is shooting 49.6% FG%, and 88.6% FT%.  He is shooting 37.6% from 3 pt land.
> He has also averaged 1.8 steals and .84 blocked shots per game.  These 
> are career averages... So, with the likelihood of Bird not playing the
> last 2 games, and this being his final year, he will apparantly be the
> first one to ever accomplish this...

I was curious if there were anything concrete about "this being his
final year".  I have not seen / heard / read that this is going to be
his last season, except for unsubstantiated speculation.  Do you know
something I've missed ?  I was at the game in LA where they retired
Magic's number, and 
I found Bird's comment about it not being long before he too retired
quite telling, but not definite.
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From: rsmall@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Dee Brown
Organization: Clark University
Date: 15 APR 92 17:51:15 GMT

the celtics starting line-up next year
      1  Sherman Douglas
      2  Dee Brown
      3  Reggie Lewis
      4  Ed Pinckney
      5  Robert Parish
bench personnel
         Joe Klein
         Rick Fox (needs to play more)
         Kevin Gamble (barring a trade)
         Kevin Mchale
         Stoiko Vrankovic (see ya)
         John Bagley (free agent will be gone, besides would you keep
                      Bagley over a much younger douglas)
         LARRY BIRD (you may be seeing the last of LARRY so enjoy him in the
                     playoffs. I don't think he will put up with another
                     season of injuries. he has too much pride. so enjoy the
                     playoffs and the olympics you may be catching your last
                     BIRD sighting.)

Dee has to be on the floor, and should be moved to the shooting guard
he will play great defense and will consistantly hit the open jumper,he
will be able to break down the defense with drive from the wing more than from
the top of the key.

Dee, Sherman, Reggie, Fox, and Gamble provide a solid point, shooting, and
small forward rotation.

Pinckney, Parish (with limited minutes under 30), Mchale, Bird (maybe, if he's
there he starts w/ limited minutes) and thier draft picks (they need young big
strong quick athletic type centers or forwards) forgot Klein he does his job
extremely well whether he plays or not.

The Celtics could be a strong team next year, but they will be a defensive
team with above average scoring.

about this year a lot of things will have in to place just right fro the Celtics to win the championship. (everybody healthy, Chicago going cold).

hope I did this right. first time
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From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: CELTICS---AWESOME!!!!
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:38:18 GMT

In article <2258@transfer.stratus.com> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>	Ya right. If Miami beats the Bucks at home tonite and the Hawks lose
>to the Bulls on Friday, then on Sunday the Heat will be fighting to keep
>their playoff hopes alive! Easy my foot! Kevin Gamble trying to guard Glen
>Rice gives me nightmares!!!!

Okay, so both teams have something to lose.  Who's more dangerous, the
Heat when they have something to lose, or the Celtics when they have
something to lose?

>	As a Celtic fan, I'm just thrilled at last night's win over the Pistons!
>Not because of any playoff ramifications, just because it was the Pistons! :-)

Hey, they also kicked Philly's ass.  If you're a Celtics fan, surely
you have some hatred left over for them, too...  :)

>	The refs tried their best to give the Pistons the game at the end. With
>about 14 seconds to play and the C's up by 4, Lewis made a clean block of a 
>Dumars' jumper. No body contact, no contact with Dumars' shooting arm, just 
>Lewis' palm on the ball! *tweet* And some people say only the Celtic's get
>calls at home from the Refs! :-) Dumars had a chance to tie with 2 seconds
>left, drove into the paint, and was blocked by both Lewis and Pinckney, but no
>whistle this time! Replays showed that block was clean also!

That's nothing compared to the last time the Celtics played at the
Palace.  The fourth quarter started with a huge Celtic lead, but the
refs put Detroit on the line *every* time they missed, for the whole
quarter.  What they called a charge at one end, they called a blocking
foul at the other.  And one of them was the same thing--an
unmistakably clean block called as a foul.  Too bad for the refs the
Celts smacked Detroit around so bad in OT that no amount of bad calls
could steal the game away from them.

Is there some system for getting rid of refs who frequently make
clearly biased calls?  That game was an outrage.
From: h0j1297@zeus.tamu.edu (BURT J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Missing players
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:56:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

What's up with Negele Knight of Phoenix and Dennis Scott of the Magic???
Haven't seen them play.
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers no playoffs-enter Shaq lottery
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:02:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <16APR199211232348@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
>Charles might just be frustrated, but lets look at him a little closer. 
>Would a contender want to bring him in by trading away draft picks, or 
>other all star talent? He is controversial, makes a lot, and plays the game 
>on his jumping ability. With the weight that he carries, he could be one 
>fall away from the end of his career. Also, he's played for a number of 
>years already (6-8?), and with his weight and playing style, I don't see 
>much of a market for him.
>
>Any other comments?

Yes, Barkley is a choker.

Back in May of 1990, I was driving back to NJ from Washington. The
76ers just lost at home to the Bulls in game 4 of the series and trailed
3-1. I was listening to WIP (Sixer flagship). The fans who called in 
were just mad at Charles.  He couldn't make the plays; he missed FTs. On
the other hand, a stiff like Ed Nealy cleared the boards like Wilt,
whose fault was that?

In Barkley's career, he has never been great in the playoffs when the 
team needed him the most. Well, he had a great one back in 1985 against
the Celtics in the ECF? Sure, he single-handedly won game 4 of that
series to avoid elimination by 2 days. Where was he in games 1, 2 & 3?

If I want a player to create controversy, I'll take Barkley. If I
want to win in the playoffs, why would I want to trade Akeem for Barkley?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu (Suresh)
Subject: Lakers out of Playoffs
Reply-To: suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu (Suresh Kumar Vishnubhatla)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 05:01:57 GMT

The LA Lakers lost to the Kings at Sacremento.  This puts them out of
the playoffs.
-- 
Suresh
UNLV Dept. of Electrical Engineering
From: YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The Big East Is Back
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:01:09 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I would like to inform that yesterday's game was not the first instance
of a college game billed as an NBA game. In fact, it happened exactly
a day before: UCLA vs U of Utah at the Great Western Forum, in which
J**k H***y emerged as a premier defensive force. It was an unusually
high-score game for college games. Boy those kids surely know how to
fly their bodies, but I feel they are better off practicing foul shots first.
(Incidentally, I wasn't aware that Elden had transferred from Clemson to
UCLA.)
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Stanley Roberts
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:57:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

Whats wrong with stanley? How long is he out for?
thanks
Roy
From: glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Cavs STOMP Bulls
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:50:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr15.175049.20435
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

This is in response to a previous article titled "Bulls STOMP Cavs" (I believe
it was called.)   The Cavs got their revenge, and the Bulls were simply beat.

You can say that they didn't have Jordan, and oh well, that's the cause.

You are correct.  What happens to the Bulls if some guy like Laimbeer knocks
Jordan out of the playoffs?  You could call it a cheap shot, but it would
be a dose of reality for the Bulls.

Gary Blickhan
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Rumeal Robinson
Date: 4 Apr 92 21:26:08 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

I see from the boxscores that Rumeal (one of the players from the Michigan
title team when I was there) gets alot of PT, and only average scoring. I know
with the trade of Spud and Doc, Atlanta puts the ball in his hands alot. Can
anyone who actually WATCHES Atalanta regularly let me know how he's playing. I
mean stats tell one story, but I was wondering if someone could fill in the
details? Thanks in advance....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: McNaught@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Jim McNaught)
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:29:49 GMT

In article <592@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 
432-4219) writes:
> >As Phil Jackson said after the game, "We didn't play well
> > they didn't play well

> > and the officiating was horrible...
> That's alot of Bull. It must have been the refs that lost him all
> 14 games this season.
> >Must be daylight savings time.
> No.Really??? Well,it's a good thing you did arrive into Boston on 
Saturday.

In the military, officer candidates are taught from day one that if they 
do something wrong or poorly, that there is absolutely no excuse good 
enough to explain away the terrible results (No Excuse Sir!).  Making 
excuses is not what they do for a living--taking the blame and improving 
performance is.

Perhaps Phil and the Bulls should enroll for a Beast or Plebe Summer at 
one of the academies.  There was NO Excuse for that loss to the Celtics.  
Not to take anything away from the performances turned in by McHale, 
Lewis, et. al., but let's put it in perspective.

Hope Chicago finds its motivation in the playoffs.

JMc

"Oderint, dum metuant."
(Let them hate, so long as they fear)
--Accius
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From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Subject: Re: A Little Perspective on the Clippers
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:57:47 GMT

In article <NOLTY.92Apr17093132@cithe304.cithep.caltech.edu> nolty@cithe304.cithep.caltech.edu (Bob Nolty) writes:

>The last time this franchise (Boston Braves at the time) made the playoffs,
> o Gerald Ford was president
> o People were listening to The Village People on their 8-tracks
> o Everyone was excited about bicentennial quarters
> o John Travolta was considered a pretty sexy guy
> o Shaquille O'Neal was gearing up for kindergarten

o The Lakers missed the playoffs

Maybe the Clippers are the Lakers evil twins?

Chris Goedde
goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu
From: winstonc@nunki.usc.edu (|)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Grow up, smartypants (Was re: YEAH! Smartypants!)
Date: 17 Apr 1992 11:57:38 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu


 >And remember in my post when I mentioned how mine was actually a bit
 >higher than 140? Well the last time I was tested it was 170.
 >I don't take much stock in IQs, but I think you do!
 >So chew on that! *170*!
 >
 >--Eric (who doesn't give a damn about mensa)

Well, this argument is kind of stupid. Having a 140 IQ doesn't mean
you can't be ignorant, and having a 170 IQ doesn't mean you can't be
immature. Although IQ and [what's the antonym of ignorance? Awareness?]
and maturity may be correlated, they are not directly proportional.

This forum for IQ wars isn't very productive. It's not rec.sports.my.iq.
is.higher.than.yours. Nor is it my.sat.score.is.higher.than.yours either.


-- 
Winston Chang		    "Truth is beauty, beauty truth;
winstonc@aludra.usc.edu	     That is all ye know on earth,
			     And all ye need to know."
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From: sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski)
Subject: nj Nets-105, mia Heat-100, 14apr (saturday)
Organization: R.S.M.A.S.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:08:39 GMT


njn 105, mia 101, 14apr92
[I'll post the boxscore later]


Njn took a 84-83 lead in mid-Q4 on a 3pt-play by coleman.
Mia countered with a 13-4 run, including rice following his own shot
with a tip-in, drawing a foul, plus two baskets by coles.  mia led 96-88.

(njn) coleman, who had dominated the offensive reb's, and scored 24pts,
had a half-time shouting match with BFitch about his coaching, and when
BFitch called a timeout with 6:48 left in Q4, coleman called it a night.

Mia led by 8 with 4:31 left in Q4, with (njn) coleman sitting.
But then njn surged for a 17-4 run, including 6-0 for reserve forward mills.
Njn blocked 3 in the final 3min, giving out only 2 ft's.
(njn) Bowie tipped one in with 46sec left to take the lead 101-100.
(mia) coles tried a 3sec 3pt-shot, but (njn) bowie took the reb. & the game.

Mia struggled inside against njn's near-7-foot forwards and centers,
shooting only 38%.  (mia) rice had 36pts (15-32 FG's with 2-8 3pts).
4 mia guards shot 10 for 37 (27%), for only 26pts.
(mia) kessler played 6 min, with only an assist to show in the boxscore.
(mia) burton is out for the season (depression), and the new kid in
town, bennett (from cle) didnt play.

Njn held the boards, with 41 second-effort points.
Njn had 62pts inside, to mia's 30.  mia had 3 blocks, while
(njn) Bowie had 6 of njn's 10 blocks despite his 5th foul in mid-Q3.
(njn) mills and dudley totaled 22pts, 17 reb's (10 off.), off the bench.

atl must lose one of their remaining 2 games (chi at home, or atl at
cle), for mia to make the playoffs.  If mia and atl tie, mia has a
better conference record.

Tonight (thursday) mia hosts lottery-bound mil.  Atl beat nyk last night.
(mia) smith is still hurting from knee-surgery in Jan.
(mia) shaw has been cold recently, and rice has been carrying the team.
(mil) humphries is out (foot), snd so is (mil) schayes (knee).
mil is 0-3 vs. mia this season, 1-13 recently, and 9-25 since all-star break.

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From: ec120wee@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: random thoughts
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:04:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr14.221035.23463@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon) writes:
>1.  If the Lakers DID get Shaq and wanted to trade him, how about
>sending his rights to Phoenix for Hornacek, Majerle, and a #1?  (This
>is kinda a response to someone who earleir mentioned the need for a
>Hornacek-type)

Holy, moly!  Wow!  I know a lot of fans think the Shaq is the best
thing to happen to basketball since Joe Naismith, but for goodness'
sake, he is not God!  Yeah, he's a big deal, but nobody's *this* big
a deal!  Do you seriously expect Phoenix to consider trading two
proven NBA all-stars and a #1 draft pick for a man who has never
played an NBA game in his life?  (Or, for that matter, advanced past
the second round of the NCAA Tourney?  If the Shaq is an instant
championship for whatever team gets him, as so many seem to believe
he is, why can't he do crap in the NCAA?)

If the Lakers did get Shaq, actually, they'd probably keep him.  We
know he wants to play for them.  We know all the Laker dynasties
have been built around an awesome big man (George Mikan, Wilt,
Kareem).  They'll keep him, and trade Divac or Perkins for some
backcourt help.

>6.  Pat Riley will win coach of the year.  Hey, he's a BIG NAME, he's
>in a BIG CITY, and he did a BIG JOB with that team.  Although why does
>Charles Oakley still take those 18-footers?  I think he's 1 for 20 in
>games I've seen him in.

Could be.  However, there are a lot of contenders this year.

>7.  Finally, there's nothing worse that reading Celtics fans
>woof-woof-woofing.

Agreed.
-- 
Tony Minkoff
aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
ec120wee@sdcc4.ucsd.edu
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: CELTICS---AWESOME!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:37:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167CBCDB0.EIVERSO
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

What did I say about the "calm before the storm?" Sorry netters, but
the Pistons couldn't shut-up the Celtic fans! Eventually, the Celts will
fall *hard*!

In article <2258@transfer.stratus.com>
halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:

[...]
>	The refs tried their best to give the Pistons the game at the end. With
[...]
>left, drove into the paint, and was blocked by both Lewis and Pinckney, but no
>whistle this time! Replays showed that block was clean also!

Yeah right! What a sore winner! Complaining about the refs, and then
pointing out how they didn't make the call against Boston!

Had it gone the Pistons way, Joe would have made 2 at the line and the game
would have gone into OT.

>	They probably *didn't* show this on Detroit TV, but in Boston they showed
>Aguirre after the game, stop just before he walked off the court, look across
>court with a very disgusted stare (presumeably at the refs?), SLAM
>the ball to the floor as hard as he could, and storm towards the locker room!!!
He *slammed* the ball??? Oh, horrors! What a cheapsot artist! What a thug!
I hope he gets a big fine and a suspension! I'm glad that Boston TV is on
of such newsworthy goings-on!

>!	Jim  Halpin

Go Miami! Go New York! :)

--Eric
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: A Little Perspective on the Clippers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.113417.54581@cc.usu.edu> alanj@cc.usu.edu writes:
>Weren't they the Buffalo Braves though.  I thought that the Boston Braves were
>the Atlanta Braves before they were the Milwakee Braves back before World War
>2 in an entirely different sport.

A question to those who lived in Buffalo in the 70s: did the fans do the
Tomahawk chop in Braves home games?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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