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From: tbb@sumac02.cray.com (Todd Blachowiak)
Subject: Re: Sportsters vs Rubbies (was Re: Looking for a motorcycle)
Originator: tbb@sumac02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:42:45 CDT


>(John Stafford) writes:
> 
> Odd point, but my '56 FLH has absolutely _no_ Harley trademarks
> anywhere.  I don't like advertising a product I already own.

 Do you mean to tell me that that wasn't a H-D I got a chance to ride 
 on sunday. Lets see, kick start, funny ignition location, no rear suspension,
 springer type front suspension, no front brakes, some major shakes, back
 fires if your knee is next to the carb, no turn signals, helmetless rider,
 and the biggest smile I had all day!!!

 Yeah, your right, it must have been a yamaha:-)

 Thanks again John, cool bike. My first H-D ride and it's on a bike that
 predates me. So everybody, has the ride changed at all since '56?

 Take care, Ride free Bro:-):-)

 Todd
-- 
Take care,

Todd Blachowiak 
KotD #0004
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: Sportster Hop-up & Winter Storage
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:06:10 GMT

Sportsters sure are getting a lot of attention, lately...

As many of you might remember, my BIL (Brother-In-Law) has the
'92 XLH1200 Sportster.  He gave me his old bike to do what I want
with.  Anyway, I've told him about rec.motorcycles.harley, and
he asked me to find out about 2 things:

 1) Recommendations on getting better performance from his
    bike.  He has drag pipes on it, and is thinking about 
    doing some more modifications to it.  Any suggestions
    as to what would be the next step, such as a jet kit,
    or new carb, cam, ignition, along with specific aftermarket
    suppliers would be appreciated.  Also, if someone would
    care to comment on the best "performance increase/dollar"
    and/or the best order in which to do specific hop-ups
    would also be appreciated.

 2) BIL is going to store his bike in my garage over the winter,
    and wants to know what things are advisable for winterizing
    the bike.  I'm new to the street bike scene, and I ride my
    dirt bike all year, so I don't know exactly what to do.

Thanks,

Tim Seiss
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: dod yellow pages v3 announcement
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:07:46 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

a new version of the dod yellow pages of motorcycle-related shops, services,
etc. has been posted to rec.mtorcycles and, thanks to bruce tanner, will soon
be availible on the cerritos.edu ftp server (in directory [anonymous.dod]). 
 
no differentiation is made specifically for .dirt, .racing, .harley or 
ba.moto, but there is stuff relevant to motorcyclists of all persuasions.
 
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:38:49 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

afinlayson@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff deleted <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
But my question
>is: do any of you lot have any interest/experience with modifying
>Sportsers into satisfying corner carvers ?   

<<<* Experience ? No. Interest ? You betcha ! An Evo with ground
     clearance, brakes and decent spring rates sounds like the
     last bike I'll ever have to buy. 'Cept for another one of course...
                                               
                                                         Bigfoot.

-- 
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|| Geof Evans                 | DOMAIN: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au  ||
|| Melbourne,Australia 3000   | Tel: +61 3 663 3663		     ||
||   If they *really* wanna know...tell 'em that God was drunk.      ||
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: '84 Sporty problems
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:53:37 GMT

>jim.wenzel:
 
>   I've replaced the tank,  put a stock carb on it (when  I bought it it
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   had an  aftermarket that was to  big) and an inline-filter.  This has
>   solved the problem  with the fouling but, now I  can't get the sucker
>   to idle right. Unless  I set the idle up to around  1200 rpm she acts
>   like she is running out of fuel.  Runs great down the road, just dies
>   when it gets to a stop unless I rev it occasionally.

     First, the obvious. Have you tried adjusting the idle mixture
screw? It is on top of the carburator or near the top off to one side,
toward the manifold end of the carb body. 2 1/2 turns out from the fully
seated position is a good place to start. DO NOT turn it down hard against
the seat!

      Many of the stock Sportster (and Big Twin) carbs have a vent hole
in the base (around the 11 o'clock position looking from the manifold
end) that MUST be exposed to the manifold vacuum. There has to be a
notch in the edge of the manifold flange matching this hole and a
matching hole in the gasket. If this vent is blocked, fuel is not pulled
to the idle jet.

     If all of the above checks out ok, you probably have an air leak.
In this case, a small amount of air getting into the system will have
less and less effect as more air enters through the carb. To look for
this, 

 1. Check the compression. It should be at least 100 PSI for a worn
    engine. 120 to 140 PSI for a good one. There should not be more
    than 10 PSI difference between cylinders. A bad valve or leaking
    head gasket can cause your problem, and this test will find both.

 2. Remove the manifold mounting clamps, (easier with the tank and
    carb removed) and examine the O rings. If they are stiff, scuffed,
    or cracked, replace them. I find it easiest to roll the O rings
    as far back onto the manifold as possible, position the manifold,
    and roll the O rings into position as I am installing the clamps.

 3. While checking the O rings, hold the manifold between the ports on
    the cylinder heads and check the alignment. Ports and manifold
    should be straight with no more than 1/16" clearance at both ends.
    If this is off, the heads must be repositioned. The head gaskets
    should be replaced when doing this, and the heads aligned with the
    manifold just before snugging the head bolts. Recheck the alignment
    as the head bolts are torqued.

Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother
=============================================================




Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tomd@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Tom Davidson)
Subject: Re: Regarding Fringe
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:13:35 GMT

bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu (Brian Casper) writes:


>I was watching the news last night and at the very end as the credits were
>rolling they were showing this footage from the country music awards of the
>guy that sings that 'achey breaky heart' song singing that song and dancing
>around on stage.  He was wearing these blue jeans as most country singers
>like to do and they had lots of long and loose fringe running down the
>sides of the legs.  So I'm looking at this guy and I'm thinking "Man does
>he look silly, and what is the point of all of that dangling stuff."  It is
>most certinly on there because of some traditional styling, and serves no
>purpose other than a visual one.

>So I got to thinking...  Fringe has been around for a very long time.  The
>cowboys and settlers of the West had it on their clothing. I've seen pictures
>of Indians with fringe as well.  It would seem that for people from that age
>to do something, they would have to have a practical reason - I doubt that
>they were fasion motivated.

>Try as I might, I can't come up with beneficial purpose for fringe...

>Any historians out there care to take a stab?

I had read somewhere that in the days of leather clothing and the '49 ers that
if one was caught in a snowstorm with nothing to eat, the fringe was edible and 
could keep you nourished until the storm broke. Or on the plains with no animals
to eat, you could eat the fringe and some of the local vegatation. 
FWIW...
 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: EVO Compression question
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:36:50 GMT

In article <LOTTO.92Sep30095107@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 12:36:01 GMT, edm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (edward.morandi) said:
>edward.morandi> Anybody know what the compression should be, in pounds, for
>edward.morandi> a warmed-up, healthy 80" EVO motor?  Shop manual only gives
>
>Well, if you have 8.5:1 compression and an atmospheric pressure of
>about 15 lb/in2, I get about 127 psi with 100% VE and no leakdown.
>When the engine is warm, you get expansion (PV=nRT) so the pressure
>increases proportional to the change in (Kelvin) temp.  Figure about a
>10% increase in temp gives 140 psi.  

Better check your service manual.  The valve timing will throw off the
calculations.  The valves don't open and close exactly at TDC and BDC
and at starter cranking RPM the effect will be significant.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Re: MSF:Erc review, HD FXRS vs 907
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:57:34 GMT

In article <LOTTO.92Oct1083831@lamia.harvard.edu> lotto@lamia.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 21:21:38 GMT, patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) said:
>Pat> Either way, I'll get one of each - I'm looking at a combo of either a
>Pat> 907 and a shovel sporty project, or an FXRS and a Duc 750 or 860 project.
>
>The first option will give you more 'class', the second (a LOT) more
>riding time!

Although this is rec.motorcycles.harley and not rec.moto.ducati,
I must say that judging from your last comment you are not familiar
enough with the 907.  For the right person, the 907 can (and does)
provide as much riding time and enjoyment as the FXRS can.
Of course this does not mean that I wouldn't love to add an FXRS
to my stable, or maybe a Fat Boy, or perhaps... :-)

Steve

-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Regulator vs. battery question
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:08:36 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--
In article <LOTTO.92Oct2082351@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura.harvard.edu
(Jerry Lotto) writes:
|>Path:
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|>From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
|>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
|>Subject: Re: Regulator vs. battery question
|>Message-ID: <LOTTO.92Oct2082351@laura.harvard.edu>
|>Date: 2 Oct 92 12:23:51 GMT
|>References: <9flp02X2233c01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <102410002@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
|>Sender: usenet@hsdndev.UUCP
|>Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
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|>In-reply-to: schleige@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of 1 Oct 92 02:02:47 GMT
|>
|>>>>>> On 1 Oct 92 02:02:47 GMT, schleige@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schleiger)
|>said:
|>Bob> My regulator went out this summer (overcharging).  First thing I noticed
|>
|>This is only one possible mode of failure for the regulator.  I have
|>replaced a few on various big twins, the symptom was battery discharge
|>(no increase in voltage with engine running).  Characterizing this as
|>"open" and the problem you had as "shorted", has anyone else seen a
|>shorted regulator on an EVO?  I had always considered a voltmeter
|>redundant since I can get home on a short charge, but if this type of
|>failure is common I would rather notice the problem early enough to
|>save the battery (not to mention the tires and frame)!
|>
|>--
|>Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD
|>#18
|>Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want
|>to..."
|>

Yes, I've seen both modes of failure, although one more than the other. It's
not
'open' or 'shorted', it's 'high side' or 'low side' failure. The high side of
the
regulator prevents overcharging, the low side prevents discharging. IME the
low side failures are more common. 

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Regulator vs. battery question
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:16:00 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


for Eddie:

Yup, here's the address.  Taken from one of two Accel regulator boxes
here on my desk.  Both burned out, but not because of their design.

	Accel Motorcycle Products
	Route 139
	Branford, Connecticut  06405
From: wapembe@afterlife.ncsc.mil (William Pemberton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Long time mystery
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:39:41 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

After checking my factory service manual, I see that what y'all need is a hole 
adapter kit.  See the below for the part numbers for big twins:
pre 1950  HD#EZ2-781-2349
1950-1960 HD#EZ3-781-2350
1961-1973 HD#EZ3-781-2360
1974-1985 HD#EZ4-781-2361
1985-     HD#EZ5-782-2300

For the sportsters, we find the following part numbers:
pre 1960  HD#EZU-701-060s
1960-1972 HD#EZU-701-061s
1972-1985 HD#EZU-701-161s
1985-     HD#EZU-711-001s
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.motorcycles.harley
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Regulator vs. battery question
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:49:07 GMT

In article <9flp02X2233c01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>Howdy all. Gotta question about charging ststems (our FAVORITE topic)
>
>Given a late model evo big twin ('86 Softail), and knowing that the 
>regulator is in parallel with the battery, if my regulator is 
>overcharging my battery, will a voltage measurement accross the 
>battery (with the regulator hooked up obviously) show >> 12 volts 
>(like >15V), or does the battery win the "fight" between 'em and 
>pull the voltage down (and then boil away)?? If the regulator is 
>puttin' out 18V, will I see that (or like 16-17) over the battery?? 
>Inquiring minds, etc.

	Given two loads in parallel, the voltage drop across one MUST equal
the voltage drop across the other by Faraday's Law, since the junction
between the two loads at the lower potential must have the same potential
as itself.

	In pictures:

	o----------o----------o----------o +14V
                   |          |
                 -----      -----
                  ---       |   |
 battery -->     -----      |   | <----------regulator/rectifier
                  ---       |   |
                   |        -----
                   |          |
        o ---------o----------o----------o 0V (ground)

Since there's no load between the two "lower" junctions of the battery and
the regulator/rectifier, the two junctions MUST be at the same potential.  If
they weren't, current would flow in the wire between them and ground wouldn't
be ground.

What will divide is the current between the two paths so that the voltage
drop will be the same.

I hope this answers your question.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            1975 CB360T (needs a name)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Is that Ness ????
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:54:50 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


Hi`

this isn't QUITE a Harley topic..  it's about Arlen Ness.  But since
Ness is so big on the Harley scene I thought maybe some people here
might know....


Years ago some magazine had noted that Ness was paid a handsome fee
by "some Japanese MC Manufacturer" to come up with a style-design
for them...

In all the years since then I have suspected that Ness was behind the
styling of the (forgive all...) Suzuki Intruder...  
anybody have any ideas ?

Makes sense that they would hire him, especially after their
disasterous attempt at 'style' which became the UUUUUUgly  "Maduras",
looked like rolling Colliapies (sp)....


-thorick


--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Sportster Crotch Rocket??!!
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 16:35:30 GMT

>Randy Davis:

>  And don't be surprised that they were loafing along, and blow your doors
>off when they turn up the throttle, for 1/2 of what you just spent hopping
>up the Sportster...  (Sorry, Jeff).

      Maybe not, go look up what the fastest motorcycle ITW is. It is
a general misconception that all Harleys are slow. The fact is, they
are ridden slowly because they are such a joy to ride, there is no
hurry to get somewhere and get off them. Another reason is that, when
you ride the best there is, you don't feel any need to prove you bike
is as good as some other one.

>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot
 ^^^^^
      Will it still start in 1 kick when it is 35 years old?
      Will you even remember it when it is 35 years old?

Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother
=============================================================
From: jeff@MicroUnity.com (Jeff 'Giga-hurts' Kaskey)
Subject: Re: Sportsters .nes. Harley
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:34:26 GMT

In article <Stafford-250992144940@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

|> And, hey, if it makes you _feel_ better, John Makel and Tim
|> Seiss, I take it back. There is nothing wrong with Sporsters.
|> It's the RIDERS that are fucked.

Often.

Actually, many are fuckers, Sportsters being fairly bisexual in ownership. 



tfk  "Sportster from Heck"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu (Brian Casper)
Subject: Regarding Fringe
Originator: bcasper@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:02:40 GMT


I was watching the news last night and at the very end as the credits were
rolling they were showing this footage from the country music awards of the
guy that sings that 'achey breaky heart' song singing that song and dancing
around on stage.  He was wearing these blue jeans as most country singers
like to do and they had lots of long and loose fringe running down the
sides of the legs.  So I'm looking at this guy and I'm thinking "Man does
he look silly, and what is the point of all of that dangling stuff."  It is
most certinly on there because of some traditional styling, and serves no
purpose other than a visual one.

So I got to thinking...  Fringe has been around for a very long time.  The
cowboys and settlers of the West had it on their clothing. I've seen pictures
of Indians with fringe as well.  It would seem that for people from that age
to do something, they would have to have a practical reason - I doubt that
they were fasion motivated.

Try as I might, I can't come up with beneficial purpose for fringe...

Any historians out there care to take a stab?

-- 
-- 
Brian Casper                |   "I like to study psychologists.  It gives
bcasper@eos.ncsu.edu        |    good insight into what rats are thinking."
  Pinball Consultant        |     -  Dr. Oscar Wesler
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Regulator vs. battery question
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:23:51 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: schleige@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM's message of 1 Oct 92 02:02:47 GMT

>>>>> On 1 Oct 92 02:02:47 GMT, schleige@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schleiger) said:
Bob> My regulator went out this summer (overcharging).  First thing I noticed

This is only one possible mode of failure for the regulator.  I have
replaced a few on various big twins, the symptom was battery discharge
(no increase in voltage with engine running).  Characterizing this as
"open" and the problem you had as "shorted", has anyone else seen a
shorted regulator on an EVO?  I had always considered a voltmeter
redundant since I can get home on a short charge, but if this type of
failure is common I would rather notice the problem early enough to
save the battery (not to mention the tires and frame)!

--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Modifying Sportsters
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:43:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.023741.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, afinlayson@kean writes:
>Heh, I'm new to the group and I've posted a few in the last week or so
>but all based upon my 20 + year's experience with mostly British and
>German bikes with the odd Japanese addition: mostly 305 Superhawks 
>and Scramblers...a few early Hodakas and Suzuki triples.  But my question
>is: do any of you lot have any interest/experience with modifying
>Sportsers into satisfying corner carvers?  Not GSXR or Ninja beaters,
>neccessarily, but just something better than, say, a stock BMW or
>Triumph. Cheers! Chris Finlayson

I definitely have an interest, but no experience.  I have read a few
hop-up articles on the topic, but they mostly involve minor suspension
mods.  I would probably start with the setup the Twin Sports racers
use.  Perhaps adding a GSXR750 front end like the bike Nigel Gale rode
in some twins race.  Stiff fork, great brakes and a wheel you could
shoe with top performance rubber all for the cost of salvaged parts.
Fabricating a stiffer swingarm would be nice too, possibly allowing a
wider wheel to be used in back.

Any other ideas?  What about stiffening the frame itself?  Anyone know
anything about this?  

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D