From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:23:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <1e0cpdINNgf6@transfer.stratus.com> markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen) writes:
>Philippians 4:8
> "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest,
>  whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are PURE, whatsoever things
>  are LOVELY, whatsoever things are of GOOD REPORT; if there be any VIRTUE,
>  and if there be any praise, think on these things."           ^^^

if there be ANY virtue...  :-)

>I just subscribed to this newsgroup yesterday and I've already read stuff
>about "Christian night clubs" and christian rock music, and drums in 
                                                             ^^^^^^^^
>church services, and secular rock being okay as long as you don't listen
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Meanwhile, David and all the house of Israel were celebrating
	before the Lord with all kinds of intruments made of fir wood, and
	with lyres, harps, TAMBOURINES, CASTNETS, and CYMBALS.
		2nd Samuel 6:5, NASB

	Praise Him with timbrel and DANCING;
	Praise Him with stringed instruments and with pipe.
	Praise Him with LOUD CYMBALS;
	Praise Him with resounding CYMBALS.
		Psalm 150:4-5, NASB

Sounds to me like all kinds of loud, obnoxious, fun instruments are allowed
in worship services.  The verse from 2nd Samuel gives three percussion
instruments.

>sad.  C'mon people.  The verses above are just TWO of many areas in the Bible
>that instruct true believers to be espouse personal separation from the world.

Jesus dined with prostitutes and tax collectors.  I think when they say
separate, they don't mean 'absent from' but rather 'going into a different
category than'.

>"...be not conformed..." as the verse above says.  Why is it that some
>Christians find it necessary to conform their music style, instrumentation, 
>dress, etc to the world.  Only the lyrics change. If some of these Christians

Now, I'll agree with this to some extent.  Stryper is an example of this
IMHO.  They have pictures of themselves wearing ugly closing that doesn't
cover their chests (at least they're an all-male group...), and I think
that's not what Jesus would do.

>that obedience will bless you.  he doesn't need your worldly approach to win
>people to himself.  I'm sure I will get flamed for this...there was a time
>in my walk where I thought differently.  But as I grew in the Lord and
>grew in sanctification through reading His word, I realized just how
>wrong this Christian rock movement is.

I think that hymns are definitely WRONG.  As has been mentioned before,
lots of them have been taken from drinking songs and the like.  I just
don't see how everyone can feel o.k. with themselves *knowing* that every
Sunday they are perpetuating a musical tradition that came directly from
drinking (which is completely wrong in all situations, btw) which would
have died out if it weren't for their silly hymnals.

Of course, I'm only joking, but I don't understand how one is any different
from the other, other than one is currently more popular in churches than
the other.  And so I'm forced to conclude that this line of reasoning
really stems from the "What's godly?  What *we* do, of course!" way of
thinking.

Disclaimer:  Of course, this isn't a personal flame.

Adios,
  Logan
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