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Subject: Raising Cain
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:21:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Someone brought up the point last week that "Raising Cain" looked a lot like
it was going to be "The Dark Half" in movie form. It is not. I saw it over the
weekend and it is really worth seeing. I won't mention anything about plot
because I think it may ruin the story for you. Please see it!

					Laurel


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                                                  there in the light---
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From: Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel.Bamford)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Pet sematary 2
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:49:19 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

Russ Clark writes:

   I was just out to lunch, and I heard a promo. for SK's Pet Sematary II,
   and I almost went nutso. I know that Stephen had nothing to do w/ this
   one, and I almost wanted to rip the stereo, (but it's a $500 dollor CD
   player so I didn't). Well the date they said for the sneak preview was
   Aug. 24th!                                                          


   -[Russ.


Oh well, I suppose that means that us poor sods in the UK should get
it by FEB 93 !!!
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary 2 2 2 2 2!!!
Keywords: Is this a joke!!!
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:08:42 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> I wonder if it has a subtitle...maybe that would be "The Return of
> Rachel" or something along those lines. Why do they have to do this?

Do you really have to ASK why they feel they need to do this?

There's no subtitle... the TV commercials show a reanimated DOG this time
(see?  in the tradition of movie sequels, it just has to get bigger) and some
dead guy with a drill going "No brain... no pain!"  Looks REAL bad.

But then again, I just left off watching the first "Pet Sematary" on HBO
to read newsgroups -- I didn't like it the first time  saw it, it wasn't a
very good movie.  Did anyone else like it?
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: The Stand
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19526]: sparta
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:01:31 GMT

The character you are refering
ATto.. believe... is simply known as "The Kid"...




SPOILER WARNING...





The Kid (unless I am mistaken) is the one who is devoured by the wolves,
or is trapped in his car by the wolves that are prowling about... anyway,
he picks up Trashy in his fancy car with personalized plates that say
"The Kid" (Which is where Trashy comes up with the name...) I don't
remember exactly who (or when or why) was molested in the hotel, but
I do remember the scene you are talking about, and I do think it involved
Trashy and the Kid.

Meow...
Misti
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Misti D. Jordan            ||   but I had a good life all the way..."
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From: sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steve Weide)
Subject: Re: Bad horror films ... why?
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:39:46 GMT

They can make such horrible horror movies because (1) they are incredibly
simple to make and (2) it is hard to tell a bad horror film from a
good one without actually watching it.  If you read the backs of most 
horror video boxes, they all sound pretty much the same.  
                               Steve
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: GOOD horror films (was Bad horror films ... why?)
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:04:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> So, my request is: any theory, why there are only a few really good
> films in this field? I mean, it's really interesting, that the
> genre consists of 95% crap ...

Boy, I can't tell you this one.  Could it be that those subtle "things only
hinted at" just can't be pulled off on the silver screen?  That generating
fear seems to rely solely on atmospheric music and the quality of the images
portrayed (this last generally directly related to the budget of the movie)?

I think more interesting would be a discussion of what people consider those
few GOOD horror movies.  Maybe not timeless classics necessarily, but ones
you certainly wouldn't mind watching if they were on opposite a political
convention.  My own list of good horror movies (at least ones I can think
off of the top of my head):

Return of the Living Dead
Evil Dead movies                   (Great comic horror movies)

The Howling (original)
American Werewolf in London        (actually pretty decent werewolf flicks)

Fright Night
Nosferatu
Horror of Dracula (and other Hammer flicks)   (only vampire movies I dig --
					       I'm PRAYING the new "Dracula"
					       turns out well!)

The Shining
Carrie
Hellraiser flicks                   (miscellaneous good horror ficks)
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Which Version of The Stand Should I Read
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:25:04 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


>Can someone please recommond which version of _The Stand_ is
>best? Does the longer version add much more to the story or
>does it detract from it? Thanks. . . 

The new version like the original, flowed pretty much nonstop.
As I read the longer version, nothing popped out and announced
itself as extraneous and therefore better off cut out. You
don't really miss much in the shortened version, either.

IMHO, the first one you find is the one you should read first!
Neither suffers as a result of the other's presence.
-- 
When all is said and done, I'd                          Ed
rather be remembered for what
I've done than what I've said. - - - {Said by Ed!}
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: latexe
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:19:56 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK


     I have a tiny bottle of Zauder's Liquid Latex, and this bottle (1 ounce)
has lasted me since last halloween.  I bought it at K-mart if that's any
indication of where you can find it...
     The address for Zauder's inc is: 
          Zauder Bros Inc
          10 Henry St.
          Freeport, NY 11520


phluuke@maria.wustl.edu

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From: dhw@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (David West)
Subject: Re: M. R. James
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:36:45 GMT

>>In article <1992Aug10.235553.16211@bmw.mayo.edu>,
>>tcg@mayo.edu writes:
>>>I gather that most of you out there are Americans. But did anybody of you ever
>>>read some of the short stories by M. R. James 

I believe I've read all that have been published.

>>>                                                 (England, 19th century)

A minor quibble there - James was indeed born in the 19th century, but the
work for which he is known was all written after 1915.

>>>and if so, what did they think?

Few, if any, are his equal for subtlety, understatement and _sang-froid_
in the description of the uncanny.

-David
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Subject: Re: Graham Masterton (was James Herbert)
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:35:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bt51EM.7K8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.054445.17070@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> af322@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Adams) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) says:
>>>I liked "Slugs" and "Breeding Ground" the best so far, but I am into
>>>nauseating horror as well as the other kinds, so if you are opposed to it, I
>>Did you ever see Slugs the movie?  I'd never read slugs but did read
>>Breeding ground.  
>As an aside, I utilized _Slugs_ the movie as basis for how splatterfilms
>reinforce sexist stereotypres.  Got an A.  Slight spoilers follow:
>Okay, the "main" girl goes to the halloween party.  Her boyfriend pressures
>her into having sex, but she refuses.  Disgusted, he leaves her, and
>she goes off.  All the while she was being stalked by a creep in a mask.
>He pounces on her, with intentions to rape.  She fights him off, and runs
>away.  But by running away, she falls into a sewer opening, and gets 
>eaten by the slugs.
>	This sends a rather clear message:
>		1)  Had she submitted to sex with her boyfriend, even though
>			she didn't want to, she would still be alive.
>		2)  Had she submitted to the _rape_, she would still be alive.
>

I agree with this, but she really shouldn't have gone off by herself in those
woods (I do not in any way mean that she deserved rape because she left the
group). It would probably also seem that the two teenagers who have sex in the
girl's parents house are being 'punished' for this act by being attacked by
the slugs. Another point though is that other innocent people besides the girl
in your example were killed by the slugs for reasons having nothing to do with
being in some kind of sexual situation (eg. the sewer guy who helped the
health inspector and the one friend of the health inspector who ate the slugs
in his salad). The book is better because you actually get the slugs' point of
view in some parts (believe it or not!) and there is more of a story with even
more gore to go along with it. It's funny you should bring this up because I
was just telling Ken yesterday that I am an unlikely person to be a big horror
fan due to the fact that I am also interested in women's studies (the issue
you brought up being one of the central ones in my mind when I said it).
		Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________


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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: M. R. James
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:41:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.043758.29422@morrow.stanford.edu> AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu (SHOPS) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.235553.16211@bmw.mayo.edu>,
>tcg@mayo.edu writes:
>>I gather that most of you out there are Americans. But did anybody of you ever
>>read some of the short stories by M. R. James (England, 19th century) and if so,
>>what did they think?
>>
>>- tcg
>>
>
>M. R. James - excellent.  How about Oliver Onions?  A. Blackwood? I
>love the old masters of supernatural horror, wish more people did.

And one of my personal favourites, Arthur Machen.

Mark

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From: sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steve Weide)
Subject: Re: Pet Sematary 2 2 2 2 2!!!
Keywords: Is this a joke!!!
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:42:10 GMT

  Don't worry, I read they were also doing Children of the Corn 2.  So
much for quality cinema.  Oh yeah, King had nothing to do with either
of these, And I read that he's pissed.
                          Steve
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From: kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (K.M.Roberts)
Subject: Re: What is "Horror" 
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:53:06 GMT



Vince-
	I was just wondering if you would care to expand on what you consider
Clive Barkers "overdone sexual deviency".... I have read all of Barker's stuff
and have noticed that he is willing and comfortable talking about sexuality,
using it in his stories (both to more fully expand his charectars AND to
expand the story...) but I have not considered anything he wrote as "overdone"
or even "devient"... 
	Barker will *use* sexuality in his stories.... a thing King is afraid/
unable to do comfortably... but I think it has all been done successfully..
AND withing the boundries of what he was trying to do...
	So please... explain your feeling a bit more... use examples if 
possible... I'm curious as to see just WHY you have such a strong opinion
about this...


	I'm not trying to flame here... but I think there is room for such 
activities here unless you can show some valid reasons... I don't have to 
agree BUT I would at least like to see if I could understand...

--
kmr...                                      Fiction is created by writers
kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu                      Lies are concocted by liars
"I have engaged the                         Fiction is a string of lies
Theoretical Weasel!"                        I am a liar...
From: paxton@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Bram Stocker's Dracula
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:02:16 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Bram Stocker's Dracula

I have recently reread B.S book about the Transylvanian Noblemen and was
reminded of a fact which puzzled me the first time around.

How does Jonathen Harker escape D's castle ?. The last thing written in his
diary his intention to try to escape by scaling the walls. The next you hear he
is in a sanatorium. The assumption is I guess his escape was sucessful but
how?!!
Has any litery bod tried to explian this anomoly.Or got some ideas? 
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From: Heilberg@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Cindy Heilberger)
Subject: Tabitha King
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:43:28 GMT

A number of years ago, I read a book by Tabitha King.  I can't quite 
remember the title..something like "Small World", I think.

Something about people getting shrunk to about 5 inches or so (Honey....I 
Shrunk The World??)

It was weird and mediocre.  Anyone out there remember.

I rented The Dead Zone.  I thought it was a pretty good adaptation.  The 
casting of Christopher Walken was dead on.

Cindy
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From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Subject: Re: Some weird shit <-- (Can I say that?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:23:00 GMT

In article <BtF7Bs.Ewz@wpi.WPI.EDU>, avif@maxine.wpi.edu (Avram Finkel) writes...
>Well, the other day, I was sitting down, reading my newspaper, when I read one
>of the strangest thing I think I have ever read in my *LIFE*(barring fiction).
>Anyways, the story is as follows:
> 
>Apparantly, there is this guy camping out in front of Staphen King's house in
>a van with the words "Stephen King killed John Lennon" painted in large letter-
>ing on either side of the van.  This man is going around Bangor, handing out
>*PAMPHLETS* describing how he came to this conclusion, and other such rantings.
>Just thought you people might like to know this...
> 
>BTW, I just got a handful of books by Robert R. McCammon, I've read "Stinger",
>and I liked it alot, what do y'all think I should read next?

In order, 
1. They Thirst
2. The Wolf's Hour
3. Swan Song
4. Baal
5. Usher's Passing
6. Blue World
7. Boy's Life
8. Mystery Walk
9. The Night Boat
10. Bethany's Sin
11. Mine
 In my opinion only. His books are awesome

> 
>Thanks and goodnight,
>Avi F.
> 
>-- 
>==============================================================================
>How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
>Think about it.
>avif@maxine.wpi.edu
From: parker@mullet.gu.uwa.edu.au (John 'Cheshire' Parker)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Laura's Stories
Summary: What happened to Laura Lemay and her horror?
Keywords: Laura Lemay stories where?
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:58:50 GMT
Organization: University Computer Club --- Perth, Western Australia

Laura Lemay used to write some pretty damn good horror. Now, alas, it appears
she has gone. If she(you) is(are) still writing, does anyone know where they
are going? I would be interested in reading her further works.
Theres always hope(?)

Go on Laura, Suprise us.

Cheshire
-- 
*  CHESHIRE   * 'Curiouser and Curiouser' said Alice.
*    aka      *
* John Parker * 
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From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: Re: Sex and Horror
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:08:24 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)
Subject: Re:Frankenstein, the true story?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:29:34 GMT

I've only caught one posting about this, so if I duplicated someone
else's reply, please pardon me! I had read somewhere that Mary Shelley,
her husband Percy (sp?) Shelley & Lord Byron were staying together at
some manor one night, & decided to have a contest to see who could come
up with the scariest tale, & Mary came up with Frankenstein....and that
is all it is (!), a tale thought up as a challenge.....

        .....posted for the missus (Beverly)

--
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(205)-544-2846                         |  700 Boulevard South, #401
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From: Adrian Darqstar <adrian@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: Vampire advise
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 04:16:56 PDT

sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steve Weide) writes:

>   I was wondering if anyone could point me toward some Vampire material
> (books or movies) where the Vampire is the main character.  Not trash like
> the movie To Die For but something thought provoking. 
>                                      Thanks, 
>                                    Steve

See the movie (on videotape) *Dance of the Damned*.  It's about
a vampire who holds a suicidal woman hostage.  He asks her what
it's like to walk and live in the sunlight (he never has -- vamps
are a different race of beings in this flick, not made), and plans
to kill her at dawn so she will not need to do this herself.

Talk about thought-provoking...

-- Adrian

P.S. Let me dig into my extensive collection of vamp fiction
and get back to you with some recommendations.  There are of
course Anne Rice's books, *Interview with the Vampire* and
*The Vampire Lestat* (faves of mine).  Pass on the third book,
*Queen of the Damned*, reads like an intro to her *The Witching
Hour*.  Due out this fall is book 4 in the Vampire Chronicles:
*The Body Thief*.


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From: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Mark R. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Val Lewton horror movies
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:44:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.141120.2395@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:

> } In particular, _Halliwell's Film Guide_ says that THE BODY SNATCHER
> } was his best.  Agree?

> I don't think there's a clear-cut "best" in Lewton oeuvre, but I'd say
> that THE BODY SNATCHER was in the running.

My personal favorite is THE SEVENTH VICTIM.  It is just about the
blackest piece of film noir I have ever seen.  SEVENTH VICTIM is one of
the rare film noir films that I leave thinking, "well, life isn't really
quite that grim".

				Mark Leeper
				...att!mtgzfs3!leeper
				(908)957-5619
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From: covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin)
Subject: Re: Buffy... Vampire characterization (minor spoilers)
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<BsFpq9.Bq8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:28:48 GMT

In article <BsFpq9.Bq8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:

   I agree.  Hauer is one of my favorite actors, and it seemed to be his worst 
   role yet.  Especially poor is his slipping into the Californian vernacular
   Totally out of character.

I was rather amused, actually, by how the fangs gave him a slight
lisp, making him completely unfrightening.  I had hoped for a scarier
main villain, though, or an unequivocally comic one.

Would you believe, the book (based on the movie) is better? :)  A
friend got it as soon as it hit the shelves, and I read it (in an hour
or so), which is what convinced me the movie might be worth a look.
But the speed and power that Buffy is supposed to have in the book
really didn't come across on the screen (I guess it didn't help that
due to the timing of the release, her "incredible gymnastic routine"
has to compare to the Olympics :).  And my favorite line from the
book didn't appear in the movie:

"So, like, I have the life expectancy of a zit?"

--
David Covin                           covin@despair.uchicago.edu
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From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with IT?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:19:36 GMT

In article <rauser.712968561@sfu.ca> rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
>john@cs.vu.nl (Loo van de JGW) writes:
>
>>brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>
>
>>BTW: I have yet to see a movie that's better than the book it's based upon. 
>>Some have come close, though. 
>
>   I think The Shining comes _very_ close, but the book is still better. 
>
Hmmmm, this thread has been discussed here before. The movie might
have stood on its own merits, but it was certainly not a good
adaptation of the book. Even King himself has apparently admitted to
this. There were key elements that were completely askew in the movie
(Big Time Director want make Own Movie--what's the name of the writer,
anyway?)



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From: frisinv@alleg.edu(Vincent Frisina)
Subject: Re: What is "Horror" 
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:56:54 GMT

In article <4688@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A  
Povazan) writes:
> I think Darin has a very good point. What _is_ horror, anyway? I think  
it's a
> question worthy of discussion. What do you guys think?
> 
> 				Laurel
   Since i must stick my three cents in, the best definition of horror I  
ever found is the destruction of beauty. For those of you who say it is  
the revelation of somethiong beyond human perception, that fits in here as  
well. The human beast considers ignorance of the truth beautiful. It hides  
you from anything that may shake up your beliefs or you comfortable  
lifestyle. There is of course the literal interpretation of this  
definition in horror (i.e. slasher movies, bad splatterpunk (not all  
splatterpunk is bad, though), overwritten rape scenes, overdone sexual  
devientcy ala Clive Barker). 
  If I may, Let the FlameS begin!!!
---
Vince