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From: tjohnson@prep11.prime.com (Tod J Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: New Security Clamp/Pat on Back
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: tjohnson@atc1.UUCP (Tod J Johnson)
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

Registered Voters, Store Clerks, Concerned Citizens, Etc.

	I was at the always helpful Cycles 128 in Beverly MA last
night obtaining a windshield for a 450 Honda Rebel when I inquired
about motorcycle security. The always considerate and insightful
young man behind the counter talked me out of an alarm (~$250+), 
and showed me this device that clamps from both handlebar grips,
to the clutch and brake lever on the bike. I thought about it for
a while, and when I got my composure back, thought that this small 
inexpensive device could really cause some problems for a run of
the mill bike thief. It is more or less like "the Club" for cars
that attachs the steering wheel to the brake. I ordered two of them
for about $60 (actual price may vary, check with a dealer near you).
Some company makes them. Can't remember who. Sometimes I forget things.

	Thought people might be interested to know such a device
exists; and was wondering if anyone has experience with this said
device. I also am eager to keep the motorcycling public informed
and safe from crime, as it exists everywhere.

Sincerely;

Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
"Go Slow, Take Geritol, They Drugged Me and the Next Thing I New I
Was Being Photographed On A XRZ600 Lawnmower Type Of Thing"
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Austin, Home of Hospitality
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:27:23 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

in article <1280@adpplz.UUCP> martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
>Now I have to get the Virago ready (it runs, but it won't start) and
                                     ---------------------------
>pick a couple nice little roads before Brad gets to Portland.

Totally cool!  I always wanted an engine that exhibits
quantum state changes on a visible scale...

-
-John H. Osborn (filling his totally meaningless post quota...)
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD ACHIEVES $5,000 PLAQUE AT AMA HERITAGE MUSEUM
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:32:04 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 10714@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>Say, what's the next level.  Anything special happen when we get to $10,000?

They rename it the AMA DoD Heritage Museum, and add an exhibit called,
"1001 DoD Products, a Retrospective View of Electronic Marketing."

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Re: Sex.geeks and the DoD
Keywords: computer sex
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:12:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.140910.8334@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ajwnet@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (andrew.j.west) writes:
>	And for the ladies, there was always Wang.

	Boy is my SO gonna get pissed if this ever gets out. I don't mind
being called a Yuppy, a Prep, or even a Capitalist, but a gigolo? NEVER!

Oh yeah, 8-)........

>**********************************************************
>DoD #151				    Andrew J. West
>85 K100 RS				  ...att!hlwpr!ajw
>69 Triumph Bonnie			    a.west@att.com
>Remember when sex was safe and motorcycles were dangerous?
>**********************************************************

Tony Wang

DoD#0122
AMA#450147

twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: UNFAIR TICKETS!
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:57:54 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>
> Rights?  You ain't got no steenkeeng RIGHTS in a US courtroom.  

Right.  Just where *do* you have rights?  In a biker bar?

> A US
>judge in his court is the closest thing to God on Earth you're going to
>come across while you're still alive, and they can do just about
>anything they want, regardless of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or
>local statute.

Yep.  Don't mean it will stick.  Judges' rulings are overturned by 
higher courts all the time.

> Not many non-legalists realize the absolute power a judge commands,

Significant, perhaps.  Not absolute.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: O.K. How about DoD BELT BUCKLES???????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:25:49 GMT

Seth Zirin send me e-mail about a chap he discussed DoD Belt Buckles with
a long time back.  I gave the guy a call today and was very impressed.

The buckle-maker does all the commemorative belt buckles for the NRA 
(National Rifle Association) and its affiliated state chapters.  He uses a
lost wax casting process and casts them in solid brass.

I faxed him the DoD Denizen artwork.

I think I could have the buckles in the price range of ~$22-25 each, 
postpaid in the U.S. of A. 

The buckle-maker claims that we would get a very highly detailed piece of
work from our artwork.

Any interest?  The minimum order I'd have to give him would be for 50
buckles.  I could do this the same as the Zippos.  Hold your checks
'til I see if I get 50 orders.

Best,

Arnie
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: testing IGRNORE !!!
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:12:07 GMT

In article <rsduiINNlrg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>I think it's high time motorcycle manufacturers started offering leg
>protectors as options on motorcycles imported into this country.  The
>only way we can avoid punative legislation in the long run is for the
>motorcycling community to police ourselves.  Voluntary use of such
>proven safety equipment can provide a strong argument for countering
>restrictive laws.

Why, Ed, I think you've got something here!  This post is definitely
worth regurgitating!  Why, I'd go so far as to commend those who would 
voluntarily install airbags on their bikes...AND SINCE LOUD PIPES SAVE
LIVES, perhaps we should also actively encourage every biker to remove
any sound reducing device from their bike's exhaust system.  But why 
stop there?  Perhaps the exhaust should be routed such that the sound
emanates into adjacent vehicles, that is, aimed towards cagers windows?
Furthermore, to mitigate and ameliorate those nasty low- and high-sides,
we could install roll bars!  In the event of loss of control, one would
only need to wait until their bike stopped rolling!  Of course, a seat
belt might be necessary to keep the biker from rattling against the
cage-like roll-bar assembly.  In this way, we would certainly head-off
many restrictive equipment laws.

Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
Internet:steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu  UUCP:{?,gatech,uunet}!mcnc!bucolix!steve
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD marital aid announcement
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:31:15 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <rscrnINNlrg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 26856@colorado.edu, garnett@news.Colorado.EDU (Santiago de la Paz) writes:
>>                       THE DoD PRODUCT LIST (planned)
>>    - DoD beer

Well, my current batch of homebrew is ready for bottling, I just need bottles.
I suppose I could scale down the DoD postscript picture and make bottle
labels out of it, thus producing DoD beer. If you're all reeealll nice, I
might just bring some to the Joust... *IF* there's any left by then :-)

Jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "It's not how fast you go on the fast parts, *  
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  it's how fast you go on the slow parts."    * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |                           - Dilip Ballamore  *
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: testing IGRNORE !!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:04:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr7.190411.25232
Reply-To: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Yeah well i was riding my BICYCLE to work today and this
jerk on one of those ninja bikes (bmw i think) cuts me off and
spits on me while yelling "get a real bike you loser". Well this
kinda pisses me off. So i split lanes at the next light (had to a
kick a couple of cars that opened their doors) and sneek up
on this asshole motorcyclist.......well i heard on the net
that these bikes can break ANY "u" lock. so i locked his rear
wheel......then  i sneaked back a couple of cars got on my 
bicycle and road at him scream about how i was going to
kill him..........well he opened it up and dumped the clutch
and sure enough he shattered the 'u' lock (gonna get my
$1000 out the company saying my bike was stolen) and was 
doing about a 105mph when his rear wheel just fell apart
it was great!!! (wish i could have seen his face) he and
his bike just started tumbling, plastic everywhere!!
at present the hospital isn't sure if he is going to make
it cause he wasn't wearing a helmet (god this guy was stupid)
but they do think the nine year old girl will survive.

only problem i had was that some of the shrapnel from the 
lock cut me up.


Laszlo Nemeth
pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks = free drugs."
Not many men can say they made a woman orgasm and laugh at the same time.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Just got my CBR600F2...
Keywords: squid
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:32:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.042818.17929@seas.gwu.edu> declan@seas.gwu.edu (Declan McCullagh) writes:
>
>Today, I finally got my bike.  As those who remember my bike search
>and recommendation request might know, I looked at quite a few
>different sport bikes and eventually decided the CBR was the best
>overall choice.
>
(much babble deleted)
>
>BTW, when I was driving my mother's Volvo on Saturday, I caught myself
>trying to accelerate past a motorcycle when two lanes merged.  Since I
>wouldn't do that in my car, I submit that Volvo sedans bring out the
>worst in drivers.  Perhaps it's the allure of high-performance Volvo
>competition driving that does it...

As KotV, and recognizing this as amaturish flame bait, I can only warn
you to tread carefully.

Ride very carefully,

Bill
________________________________________________________________
bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu  johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
AMA #500924   DoD #00314   WMTC #0002   SR= 2.125
FJ1200 R100GS/PD 740GLE  KotV :-)
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

True humor has beneath it the understanding that we are all
in this together.  Hugh Prather
From: berkt@scs.fiu.edu (Toby Berk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Lester Wheels/tubeless tires
Keywords: tires, wheels, bmw
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:20:30 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami

My wife recently bought a used '78 BMW R80 that came with Lester cast wheels
and tubes in the tires.  The dealer tells me that we can mount tubless tires
on the Lesters (after adding valve stems, of course), but I'm a suspicious 
type.

Does anyone know if this is OK to do?  If so, is there any risk in removing
the tubes and remounting the same tires tubeless?  (I'm trying to avoid
carrying two spare tubes this summer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: preliminary tally FG vs. GS
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:33:42 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Apr13.182859.2636@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.093442.1744@nic.csu.net>, rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker) writes:
>> i'm taking a poll of people who have FJ11/1200s and R100/80gs's to see
>> which one is the REAL DoD bike of choice.  send your responses to me.
>Here are some other r.m FJ11/12 owners...

you think i trust you, rogers?  none of you daughters of denver
are worth the electrons you post on!  

remember, if you have an FJ or a GS (BMW, not suzuki, wise guy), 
send me e-mail and tell me which.

-- 
- bob pasker   rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu
  San Francisco State University -- Department of History - I speak for me.

  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: DoD ACHIEVES $5,000 PLAQUE AT AMA HERITAGE MUSEUM
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:42:12 GMT

With the check for $534 that I send the AMA Heritage Museum within the 
next day or so, WE/YOU DoDers have achieved contributions of ~$5,500+
dollars to the AMA Heritage Museum.

There will be a LARGE plaque placed on the Founders' Wall in the name of
Denizens of Doom, USENET, The World.  

Tracy Banik, the museum Admin Assistant informed me that it takes ~1 
month for the plaques to be made.  This means that when you DoDers
visit the museum beginning in mid-May, or sooner, you can be proud
of yourselves for achieving a major milestone in the museum's donor
program.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Arnie Skurow
  ****************************************************************************
  * Arnie Skurow        H-D FLST-C       DoD #99                             *
  * E-Mail  Arnie+@OSU.EDU               Home  Phone (614) 846-3330          *
  * The Ohio State University            Work  Phone (614) 292-4843          *
  * U.S. Mule Address   1971 Neil Avenue, Columbus, OH 43210                 *
  ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: DoD Polo Shirt, Initial Offering
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:09:26 GMT

First things first. ATTENTION: The DoD Polo Shirt Project is NOT an April
Fool's joke. It's for real. Now that that's over with, on with the post.

I've gotten quite many positive responses to my posting for the DoD
Sport shirt project, with the notable exception of a few people who
feels that the project is too "Yuppy" for them. So, to help the rest
of you with the decision, here's is all the details of the project as
I have them.

The shirts are made from 100% combed long-staple, shrink resistent
cotton. The collar seam is taped to prevent the seam from chafing, and
the collar itself is made of a single-lock stitch to prevent it from
curling after repeated washings. It has a two button placket, and the
infamous tennis tails. Machine washable. Made in the USA.

The current colors available are Black, Navy, Red, White, Royal Blue,
Purple, Parchment (light creme), Bright Green (St. Partick Green),
Bright Yellow, and finally, Pink. If there's something else you like,
let me know and I'll check into it.

You can have the sleeve either banded or straight hemmed.

The logo with be embroided as it appears on the patch, with a diameter
of 2 and 1/2 inches, but without the black-fill. This means whatever
color shirt you order will be the background.

Now for the hard part. In order to really make this project worthwhile
for everyone, the minimum amount of orders need to be at least 50
shirts. The ideal order is for 100 shirts, but with the amount of 
e-mail I've received on this project, this might be difficult. So,
with that in mind, I submit the following prices:

	>50		<50		<100

	>$30.00		$27.50		$25.50

(XXL sizes (50-52) add $2.00 to the order (sorry, not my idea).
And yes, kid sizes are available, I think the prices are a little
cheaper by a few dollars. E-mail me for info.)

Shipping prices will be $2.90 for two shirts, for two day mail. I'll
try to see if I can squeeze three shirts in for those of you inclined
to do so. If you choose, you can asked for a slower and less expensive
method of mail, though I don't think the saving is worth it, unless of
course you live in Europe.

What I'll do is wait for the orders to come in, and PRAY we can get
enough to go ahead with this project. Otherwise, I'm launching the
ultra-secret "Plan B". (I hope I won't have to). So, between now and
April 25th, orders will be taken. I'm not posting my address because
if we don't get the minimum 50 shirts, I'll take a look at what to do.

If you're interested, please remember, E-MAIL me with the following:
quantity, color, size, and state which sleeve you would like.

Tony Wang

DoD#0122
AMA#450147

twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: How to get 11 tickets in one ride (my story)
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:39:06 GMT

In response to article <1992Mar31.173632.22443@cci632.cci.com>,
In article <3300064@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> 
danb@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dan Bergmen) writes:
>You're a complete idiot. If it were up to me, I would have permanently
>revoked your license and confiscated your motorcycle. The sport just
>doesn't have any room for this kind of crap.

Dan, Dan, Dan!!!  Really, just three sentences for this flame?
Limiting your outrage to feeble words/actions such as idiot, revocation,
confiscation, and crap?  What is this world coming to?  Dan, in
rec.motorcycles, we attempt to turn our flames into GreatLiterature(tm).
You'll just *have* to do better next time.  If you don't turn up the
heat, who's gonna know you're complainin'?  :-)

Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
Internet:steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu  UUCP:{?,gatech,uunet}!mcnc!bucolix!steve
From: s1042488@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Hayden Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Advice on 1988 GSXR-1100J
Keywords: advice,gsxr
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:50:33 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Fifteen days to go and I get my licence back!

Problem is I've spent all my money on fines and bike mags and stuff so I'll
have to wait a little bit longer before I can be another bike.

I'm after an 1988 GSXR-1100J (preferably a black limited edition) everything
I've read about them says they handle great and go like stink but they don't
tell you much about how they go two up, or touring.

My significant other is 5 foot 5 inches tall and controls the purse strings
somewhat so I'd like to be able to tell her it's commfy.  I need to know about
things like vibes, through the seat and pegs, whether the seat pushes you into
the rider or not, how much bend is required in the knees to reach the pegs
properly and stuff like that.

She didn't mind the back of my VF1000R, so I guess she isn't to fussy

What are they like to tour on? I'd only be taking it on weekend rides mostly
so it's not critical.

Any info muchly appreciated.

Hayden Gill.
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:23:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Sticky Demand Traffic Light problem solution
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

*An interesting academic discussion though would be on which would be
*the worse offense to get caught with. Damaging a light controller
*or going through a traffic light. Since a traffic offense, even
*when commited on a bicycle, goes against your license; an offense
*of damaging a controler would not. Assuming the cost of replacing
*the board or chip in the controller is at or less than the average
*traffic fine (about 50 to 75 dollars) wouldn't you be better off
*cited for damaging the controller than going through the light. And
*besides, you would not get run over by someone who is crossing the
*intersection you are blowing through. Any comments??
----------

If you damage the sensor, and they catch you, you could be charged
with a criminal offense.  A criminal record is worse than a bad
driving record and will be *MUCH* more expensive.  Even if it is only 
a mistomeanor (sp?).  By the time you finish with the lawyers
fees and the fine ($500?).  If they decided to charge you with a 
felony you would be really screwed.

Frank Ball   2LR-D             frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                pyramid!hplabs!hpsad!frankb
1212 Valley House Drive        (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999     KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 I'm the NRA.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (The Missing Link)
Subject: Re: motorcycle from "Black Rain"
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:58:56 GMT

In a rare fit of vernacular exposition eugene@uts.EDU.AU (R Rosen) held forth:
:- 
:- What bike does Michael Douglas ride in "Black Rain" ?

	wasnt it a harley sporster types ? (i am not sure, but go ahead
	and flame me)... if i remember right he races a japanese sport
	bike (against i dont remember the make) ... well u get the
	general idea 9since he wins too ;) ...

	just adding my 2c of fuel to the ongoing fire !

	cheers,

	- ravi


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Sticking clutch plate
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:13:57 GMT

In article <67@devl3.UUCP> root@devl3.UUCP (Super user) writes:
>I have a 1981 XS1100 yamaha.  Every time the bike sets for more than a
>couple of hours, the clutch plate sticks.

This is not unusual.  On bikes with kick starters on the
transmission side of the clutch (most non-unit-construction
bikes) you could pull in the clutch lever and operate
the kick starter a few times to free the clutch plates.
On a bike with no kick starter or with a kick starter
that engages the primary drive, put the bike in gear and
push it forward and back a little with the clutch lever
pulled in before you start it.

Make sure your clutch disengages completely.  The XS1100
clutch release mechanism has three ball bearings that
ride up ramps in the clutch cover to push against the
clutch springs.  These ramps wear out, so eventually
the balls don't ride up far enough to fully disengage
the clutch.  The only cure I know is to replace the entire
clutch cover.
--

	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
	(415) 323-9000		karish@forel.stanford.edu