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From: sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Toaster in Am. Cinematographer
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:51:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep3.144040.10003@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>A magazine can't get any better when it has a cover story on TWIN PEAKS and a
>big article of the Video Toaster in the same issue (at least for me).

Ditto here (well, I liked the issue that had the "Quantum Leap" article too).

Since I'm posting this from an Amiga, I was pleased to see the Toaster
getting some big-time press.

I thought all the articles on post-production were interesting, esp. the
one about the different network standards. Like the fact that NBC is
requiring all producers to deliver their master tapes on D-3 nowadays.

Anyway, I'd heartily second the recommendation for all readers of this
newsgroup to rush out in a buying frenzy and pick up this issue.

Sally


-- 
Sally Smith (510)790-0608  sallylb@netcom.com (I was sally@tardis.tymnet.com)
I'm unemployed--these opinions *must* be mine!
"Don't investigate this too closely." -- Don Bellisario, re: "Quantum Leap"
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: grusin@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GRUSIN MICHAEL)
Subject: Re: Editing from color to black-and-white
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:44:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.211757.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.234736.18460@muddcs.claremont.edu>, nrossi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Nick Rossi) writes:
>> 
>> I've got a video idea that I'd like to produce in black-and-white.  Is there
>> some easy way to change camera shots taken in color (on my V801) over to
>> black and white while copying the footage, through some kind of filter,
>> maybe?  A friend of mine (who doesn't know much about editing systems) 
>> suggested playing back the footage on a black and white TV and recording
>> it from there, but there must be a better way, as we've all seen black &
>> white videos before.
>> 
>> Nick
>
>
>Passing your video through an external processor, such as a color corrector
>or some A/V mixers, and turning down (or off) the chroma will give you the
>desired B&W look.  Be forwarned, it's still video and does not EVEN come
>close to looking like B&W film.  I only mention this because I have been
>asked before by others how to achieve the "Ingmar Bergman/B&W" look.  I
>don't know what sort of "look" you're going for.
>
>Patrick Harris
>pjharris@galluj.gallaudet.edu

If you're looking for an old-time video look, the Video Toaster (2.0)
has a button which (A) makes the video black & white, (B) colors it
slightly red/orange (sepiatone), (C) does a fast strobe (for that film
flicker), and (D) puts in scratches and hairs (!) over the picture.

The effect is quite convincing, at a local computer store they were
running "Top Gun" through this effect, it was pretty funny.  (You
could probably edit your video and run it through this effect in the
final dub.  You might be able to "borrow" or rent a toaster for this
purpose...)

-Mike (toasterless) Grusin (grusin@tramp.colorado.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Newsgroups: rec.video.production

	
	HELLPPP!!!!

	What is it with these "Video Rabbit" boxes?  Actually, I have
	only tried the RECOTON "Room Service" and a RAMSEY "TV Transmitter"
	kit.

	Both products sucked.  Big time.

	Picture quality for both units:  Almost unrecognizable.
	Range:  under FIVE FEET! (might as well get a bigger TV and sit back!)
	Audio: VERY poor.

	The color signal for both units was almost non-existant.... 
	Even at a one foot range, the picture looked like picking up
	a TV station 100 miles avay with rabbit-ears.  

	Has anyone used a "Rabbit" transmitter system and had
	good results?

	Please let me know if you have seen a product that lives up to it's
	claims.

	Thanks in advance.


	BTW,  How does the "Helmet-Cam" system (World League Football) work?
	That image is perfectly clear....  is it microwave or something?

	I'd be willing to pay thousands to solve this problem.... I just
	don't know where to turn...


	-Mike-

Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nishri@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Alex Nishri)
Subject: Re: Control S
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:27:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.230618.17955@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> TomS@comm.mot.com (Tom_Stremlau) writes:
>Does anyone know the technical specification for Control S synchronization? 

There is an intro in anonymous ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu:video/sircs.txt
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: TomS@comm.mot.com (Tom_Stremlau)
Subject: Control S
Organization: Motorola_Land_Mobile_Product_Sector
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:06:18 GMT

Does anyone know the technical specification for Control S synchronization? 
Is it proprietary to Sony, or is it an industry standard? 

I have a Sony EV-S3000 and would like to control it with my Panasonic
PVS4990.  The Panasonic synchronization line puts out 5 volts that 
drops to zero volts when the pause is released.  
The Sony deck does not respond to this signal scheme.

If I knew what the Sony deck Control S input wants to see,
I could make an adapter so it would work with the Panasonic deck.

So far, Sony has been no help.  

Thanks
From: Jimbo-NY@cup.portal.com (Jim Jimbo-NY Coffey)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Toaster Fonts
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:43:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

     In regards to the "Calligrapher" program mentioned in the previous
article,  Allied Studios, techincal support for Interactive Softworks,
states that the program will translate Amiga bitmapped fonts into
* Colorfonts *  - not to Toaster fonts.

     However, if your are looking to convert simple Amiga bitmapped fonts
into Toaster fonts, check out Appendix 9 ( page 37 ) of the Toaster 2.0
manual.  It describes how the Toastfont program ( located in the Toaster:
Utilities directory ) can accomplish just that.

     There are some constraints that the bitmap font has to fall into
 ( only one color, has to be between 20-160 scan lines tall, each character
  must be between 0-159 pixels wide ) , but overall it does the job nicely.

Hope this can help!

Jimbo-NY
        @cup.portal.com
From: senseman@ricky.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Homebrew Video Encoder Project
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:50:13 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


 
We are trying to build a very cheap video encoder that will
take the RGB output from a computer (in our case an SGI
Indigo XS24) and convert it into a S-VHS signal.

Motorola has a single chip that does most of the work (MC1377) and
we have the schematics, pin-outs, etc for this chip. However
we were able to get hold of two MC13077's -- a newer chip and
presumeably more capable than the MC1377 (which is already pretty
capable) which we would like to use in our Homebrew Encoder Project.

The problem is this. Although Motorola sent us the MC13077's,
they haven't been able to send us any technical literature.
According to the people at Motorola University Support, the MC13077
is such a new chip there's no Spec Sheets available. They did send
a copy of their "Linear Book" which has the MC1377 listed but not
the MC13077.

Anyone have any technical info on the MC13077 (pin-outs, app circuits,
etc.)? Anyone know a Motorola 'techie' that could help us obtain
this information?

Thanks!      

-- 
David M. Senseman (senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu)
Division of Life Sciences
The University of Texas at San Antonio
From: pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Editing from color to black-and-white
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:17:57 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <1992Aug26.234736.18460@muddcs.claremont.edu>, nrossi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Nick Rossi) writes:
> 
> I've got a video idea that I'd like to produce in black-and-white.  Is there
> some easy way to change camera shots taken in color (on my V801) over to
> black and white while copying the footage, through some kind of filter,
> maybe?  A friend of mine (who doesn't know much about editing systems) 
> suggested playing back the footage on a black and white TV and recording
> it from there, but there must be a better way, as we've all seen black &
> white videos before.
> 
> Nick


Passing your video through an external processor, such as a color corrector
or some A/V mixers, and turning down (or off) the chroma will give you the
desired B&W look.  Be forwarned, it's still video and does not EVEN come
close to looking like B&W film.  I only mention this because I have been
asked before by others how to achieve the "Ingmar Bergman/B&W" look.  I
don't know what sort of "look" you're going for.

Patrick Harris
pjharris@galluj.gallaudet.edu

My opinions are mine...MINE!....ok, somebody elses..........
From: Son.T@applelink@Apple.com (S. Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Future Video EC-1000Pro For Sale
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:16:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Newly upgraded Future Video EC-1000Pro with cables for Sony (1) and Panasonic 
(2) AG-1960 VCR's.  Will sell for less than half of retail: $325.  Still under warranty
warranty and used it for very few hours.
Call (408) 974-6365 if you have problems answering this e-mail.
From: ss@cs.berkeley.edu (Srinivasan Seshan)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: BRS-378 vs AG-1960
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:39:06
Organization: Utter Chaos
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mammoth.berkeley.edu


I have't been on long enough to know if this has been covered, but I am
in the market for a new deck and was wondering if anyone could point
out pros and cons for these decks.

I really don't know what the differences are aside from the 6-pin
s-Video on the BRS-378 vs 4-pin on the 1960.

Post or e-mail replies, please.

Ken Tsai

maybe I should just go all out and get a BRS-811 or AG-7760...
From: sweiner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (-- Scott! --)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: CG's... this time for IBM
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:30:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego


     Someone asked earlier about a Character Generator for the
Amiga. I'd like to know what is availible for the IBM. I would like
to get a VGA card with genlocker and RCA outputs. Does anyone know
of this type of card for a good price?


Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: Photography before video production?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:35:16 GMT

I want to get involved in video production in the next few years.  Currently
I am taking some photography courses.  Is it a better idea to start with 
photography and move along to video?  I think I read that someplace.  Also
how expensive is video production as a hobby?  I'm sure its zillions of 
dollars.  
Thanks for any advice.
Sheheryar
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nrossi@jarthur.claremont.edu (Nick Rossi)
Subject: Editing from color to black-and-white
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:47:36 GMT


I've got a video idea that I'd like to produce in black-and-white.  Is there
some easy way to change camera shots taken in color (on my V801) over to
black and white while copying the footage, through some kind of filter,
maybe?  A friend of mine (who doesn't know much about editing systems) 
suggested playing back the footage on a black and white TV and recording
it from there, but there must be a better way, as we've all seen black &
white videos before.

Nick
From: prf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Paul Freeman)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:22:19 GMT
Subject: Video Director on Amiga & PC ? 
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production


Has anyone had any experience with the Video Director product 
for the Amiga (by Gold Disk)?

Is there an equivalent product for the IBM PC? I don't see
why there should not be.
From: TANYA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: FAQ wanted
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:15:37 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I have a bunch of questions to ask, but I'd like to find out if they are
already addressed in a FAQ list.  Would someone please either post it or
advise me on where to find it?  -Thanks.
From: grege@chopin.asd.sgi.com (Greg Estes)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Near/Broadcast Quality Video!!!!!!!! etco
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:48:09 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

(Much deleted for brevity)

|> - 
|> - Also being *considered* is the Silicon Graphics Indigo or Elan??
|> - Anyone have info on this?  Prices?  Educational discounts may
|> - be applicable.  (please excuse the odd sentence construction in
|> - the second paragraph).
|> - 
|> 
|> I'm no expert on SG machines, but I beleive that for video specific
|> work you would rather have a SG Crimson. It's not a cheap solution,
|> and software is *pricy* on SG systems. It's just that if you think
|> the quality of the output other systems produce is too low, SG
|> systems are *high* quality.

|> - Kenji Takeuchi
- 
|> =============================================================================
|>  Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
|> =============================================================================

Just a quick comment on Indigo/Elan or Crimson and broadcast/near broadcast
quality video...

Silicon Graphics machines are capable of outputting RS-170 RGB by using the
"setmon" command. This flips the system into displaying something other than
the normal 1280 x 1024 60Hz mode; in this case, RS-170. Once the machine is
outputting this signal, it can be sent to an encoder. The quality of the
encoder will determine the quality of your signal. A $10K Faroudja will get
you broadcast quality, a $900 VIDI/O box will not.

In addition to this option (which is free, save the cost of the encoder :-) )
there are a number of broadcast/near broadcast quality video option cards
available for SGI systems

Indigo:		IndigoVideo (Only BQ for single-frame RGB out)
		Third-party boards from Tek, Chyron, Photron, etc.

Crimson/VGX	VideoLab (CCIR601, YUV and RGB only, no composite)
		Broadcast Video Option (NTSC or PAL, S-Video, RGB)
		VideoFramer (CCIR601, Digital Composite, YUV, NTSC
			    PAL, Y/C 358, RGB) BQ in most modes,
                            close in others.
		Tek's Avanzar  Roughly same formats as VideoFramer,
  		but output only and very high quality

G. Estes
From: joeo@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Joe Oliverio)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:15:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Editing from color to black-and-white
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.video.production

/ hpscit:rec.video.production / grusin@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GRUSIN MICHAEL) / 11:44 am  Aug 30, 1992 / writes:

>If you're looking for an old-time video look, the Video Toaster (2.0)
>has a button which (A) makes the video black & white, (B) colors it
>slightly red/orange (sepiatone), (C) does a fast strobe (for that film
>flicker), and (D) puts in scratches and hairs (!) over the picture.

I have a Toaster and I can't find one button to do all that. Actually
everything but the fast strobe can be done. If a button exists to do strobe
effects, I haven't seen it. 

>The effect is quite convincing, at a local computer store they were
>running "Top Gun" through this effect, it was pretty funny.  (You
>could probably edit your video and run it through this effect in the
>final dub.  You might be able to "borrow" or rent a toaster for this
>purpose...)

>-Mike (toasterless) Grusin (grusin@tramp.colorado.edu)

I saw the same effect done on another piece, but the person who did it 
used his VCR to increase the playback speed.

Joe Oliverio
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito)
Subject: Re: Near/Broadcast Quality Video!!!!!!!! etco
Organization: Faculity of Environmental Information,Keio University Shonan
	Fujisawa Campus(SFC),Japan.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:22:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.040512.8708@midway.uchicago.edu>
ttak@ellis.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi) writes:

 |I am posting this for somebody:

 Wow, I meet Japanese at last!

 |I need to know what sort of equipment would be appropriate/best
 |for near broadcast or broadcast quality video editing and
 |graphics for T.V. programs in Japan.

 As far as I know, most video editing in production are done by
"hands"(using shuttle(s)) with tapes. For CG, (Amiga) Video
Toaster is popular in making programs and titlebacks in Japan.
Nowadays, IRIS is cool. And most graphics are recorded in
Betacam-SP (or U-Matic).

 As Mr.Berger mentioned, Vbox+Sony VCR with LANC(or Control-S)
terminal set or Sony's Vbox built-in Hi8 VCR go with Mac.
Hi8, S-VHS, and ED-Beta have near broadcast quality.

 |What currently puzzles me about this option is playback?  Can
 |a hard drive (4.1 - 20 ms access time) keep up with real-time
 |playback when sending it back to the VCR?  Do you need a special
 |SMPTE or any time-coded VCR for digitizing video?

 Most CG is taken flame by flame with that kind of VCR. IRIS series
can produces real-time CG, but I haven't tried it. (Maybe with 
Genlock board or RGB board)

 comp.sys.sgi or comp.graphics would be better (^^;)

#Quadra!! How wonderful!

------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Akira Mito(E-Mail:t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
  Junior@SFC(Keio Univ. Shownan Fujisawa Campus) 
  Department: Environmental Information (It's so COOL,isn't it?)
  Director of the SFC Hi-Vision Club, and member of SFC TiME, C-music.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: cg's, 3d modelers, and paint packages
From: rlakin@eis.calstate.edu (Rick Lakin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:48:05 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Little League Western Regional final.  KNBC Los Angeles took a feed and
sent it Microwave back to the station.  After the game he said the
graphics looked clean on his scope.  You can build backgrounds with
DeluxePaint 4 and the fonts are very good for sports and news.

I do not recommend CG II at this time because it will not control the
SuperGen.
					Rick Lakin
					rlakin@eis.calstate.edu
From: berger@sfc.sony.com (Bob Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Near/Broadcast Quality Video (Video from Indigo)
Keywords: n
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:07:59 GMT
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA

It seems that it may be a bit early to use SGI Indigo's for video unless
you are mostly doing 3D work and you want to do a bit of video with it.
There isn't too much video software yet, except some very high priced stuff
like the wavefront Video composer. 

You need to get additional hardware to support video i/o such as:

Chyron Centaur 516-845-2031
	Analog RGB (not composite or Y/C) or (not both)
	D1 Digital Serial CCIR 601 
  Outputs:
	S-VHS
	RGB
	SMPTE YUV
	Betacam
	MII
		OR (not combined with any of the above outputs)
	D1 Digital Serial CCIR 601 
	
Has built in 2 framestores and machine control port.
Fills up all your Indigo bus expansion capability and may be a drag on
the Indigo power supply (unconfirmed).

Photron 408-370-1364
  Features:	
	Real time 24 bit NTSC input / output (RGB, Y/C, Composite, Component)
	8 bit alpha channel
	2 Framebuffers
	
Both of these are in the $7k price range if I remember correctly, but contact
the vendor to be sure. I don't have it in writting, so I may be confused. The
above info is from lit I picked up at Siggraph.

In the next year, Avid will be offering an OMF engine for the SGI machines
which will give it capabilities along the line of the Avid Studio for doing
real time compressed video manipulations and to be able to work with all
the file formats supported by OMF. SGI has already announced Quicktime
support as well. So it promises to be an interesting machine for desktop
video, but not quite yet. (Again, unless you are doing alot of 3D stuff 
right now).

*** These are personal opinions and definately do not have anything to do
	with my employer! **********

-- 
Bob Berger  -  SONY Advanced Video Technology Center
685 River Oaks Parkway  San Jose, CA 95134 408-944-4964 FAX:  408-954-1027  
INTERNET: berger@sfc.sony.com   UUCP: [uunet,mips]!sonyusa!sfcsun!berger
From: daniel@sun.lclark.edu (Daniel Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Video Projector, Dual TBC for sale
Keywords: TBC, Video Projector
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:42:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep2.204243.19183
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

- High resolution data capable
- PAL, SECAM, NTSC, S-VHS, RGB, PC compatible
- 2000 character display
- picture size: 70" - 120"
- Projection type: Refraction
- Light output: 475 lumens
- Resolution: 800 (RGB), 550 (Video) lines
- Convergence: (Digital convergence (presetable 8 positions)
- dimensions: 25 x 27 x 12
- weight: 112 lbs.

This projector is new in the box.  Our college purchased it with a mind to
install it in one of our presentation rooms, but we've decided to get a
portable video projector instead.

This is a state of the art Data capable, S-VHS projector with very low hours
(we've powered up to converge and burn in).  This would make a dynomite add-
ition to a nightclub, sportsbar, college media center or home presentation
theatre.

Prices:

List w/ PC interface, projector and PAL/SECAM/SVHS/NTSC interface: $12,000
                                  We purchased for:                $ 9,800

                        Will sell for $ 7,350 !!!
                                        (You handle shipping costs)

Please E-Mail me at the above or call me at the Lewis & Clark Media Center.
(503) 768-7292

P.S.  We also have a ForA Dual TBC with controller for anyone interested in
        video editing.   When new (2 yrs. ago) was $6500.00
                                     Will sell for $2900.00
From: quandt@mcs213g.cs.umr.edu (Brian Quandt)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: cg's, 3d modelers, and paint packages
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:24:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: umr.1992Aug29.222433.24616
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Looking to get poeples opinions
on computer based CG's, paint programs and 3d modelers/animators.
What packages are the best.  Which ones are what could be considered
professional quaility??  I'm mostly interested in packages that can
be found on either the Amiga or PC or both.

					BAQ
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: rmutton@alfred.carleton.ca (Ross Mutton)
Subject: Re: Toaster Fonts
Keywords: Toaster Amiga Fonts
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:41:56 GMT

In <1992Aug27.151601.18362@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> cahduns@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Henry Dunsmore) writes:

>Can anyone direct me to a commercial or shareware Toaster font that has
>symbols, icons, arrows, etc?

>dunsmore@upei.ca

Henry, our graphic artist tells me there is software available to
permit you to create your own symbols with a font editor, save them as
Amiga fonts and then convert to Toaster fonts.  The font editor
package is "Calligrapher" available from Interactive Softworks, 2521
S. Vista Way, Suite 255, Carlsbad, CA  92008.  619-434-5327

Ross Mutton,
Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
rmutton@ccs.carleton.ca
613-788-3814  FAX 613-788-3928
From: Son.T@applelink@Apple.com (S. Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Future Video EC-1000Pro For Sale
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:24:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

Newly upgraded Future Video EC-1000Pro with cables for Sony (1) and Panasonic 
(2) AG-1960 VCR's.  Will sell for less than half of retail: $325.  Still under warranty
warranty and used it for very few hours.
Call (408) 974-6365 if you have problems answering this e-mail.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production