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From: jwabik@uc.msc.edu (Jeff Wabik)
Subject: Re: Too *little* fat intake?
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:39:50 GMT

In article <38058@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
> I know about the recommendation to keep fat intake down to 20-40%
> of total calories, which should mean between 50 and 100 grams per
> day for me (around 2500 calories total daily intake).
> 
> But I can very easily get along on virtually no fat intake, eating
> mainly grains, legumes, fruit, salads, and fat-free milk and yoghurt.
> Even if I add some low-fat dressing and a bowl of soup, I'm not likely
> to go over 20 grams per day.
> 
> So the question is this: is it possible to eat too *little* fat?  Is
> there some danger in going too long on such a low-fat diet?  

The answer to your question is "yes", it is possible to eat too little
fat.  Your body does require a certain amount of lipid intake to
perform any number of tasks [fat-store assimilation, for example]..

More correctly, I think your question is:  "Could I be eating too
little fat", to which I suspect the answer is "no".   I've heard of
many different reports on exactly "how much is enough" when it comes to
fat intake.   While they all varied, occasionally dramatically, they
were still all grouped >way< down low as a percentage of daily
calories..  (I recall numbers for .5% to 5%)   Its important to
remember that items which bear the label "fat free" are often not
really "fat free", but rather exaggerations allowed by the current
governmental labelling rules.  Virtually everything you are likely to
eat contains some amount of fat (even things like Broccoli!)  

I dont think anyone would disagree that 20g of fat per day is
"sufficient" for those aforementioned bodily functions.  The human body
prefers to use carbs for fuel, so a "long duration" low-fat diet is not
dangerous, and very likely VERY "healthy".

	-Jeff

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Soft Muscles
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:03:46 GMT

Quick question for the pyshiology experts:

If a person is doing all around exercise ( aerobics, weights, stretching)
and eating a good diet what could be the cause of of muscles "spongy"
to the touch ( though otherwise big and strong)?

Steve R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: psm@nosc.mil (Scot Mcintosh)
Subject: Re: Aerobic Results
Organization: NRaD, San Diego
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.171014.19065@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>I would like to read of other peoples experiences:
>
>1.  How long, what type of and at what intensity (pulse etc) of
>    aerobic exercise have you been doing?
>
>2.  How long before you noticed results?
>
>3.  What weight did you start at, how much fat did you lose?
>
>4.  Where you very overweight or trying to lose the last few
>    stubborn pounds?

For the past 7 years, I've been doing a daily 30 minute ride on
an exercise bike at a pulse rate of 160-170. I was overweight when
I started and did it for that reason plus the cardiac benefits.
I noticed an improvement in my stamina within a week or two, but
the most noticible change was my leg muscles. They developed rapidly
and I first noticed the improvement within a month. Over the
course of 4 months I lost about 40 pounds of fat (my overall
weight didn't change as much due to the increase in muscle). I
was being careful about my diet, as well, so exercise wasn't
solely responsible. I don't know what my resting pulse rate was
when I started, but these days it centers around 50. I think 
that's the best measure of how much you're improving. I'm
still not svelte, but I credit exercise with allowing me to not
have to devote large amounts of attention to how much I eat.

A tip I've found handy for keeping me with the regimen: I post
a good-size calendar where it's noticable each day. Every day
that I ride, I put an 'X' on the day. If I miss, the gap is
very guilt-inducing. Conversely, a month that is totally
'X'ed out is a source of great satisfaction.


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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 14:59:33 CST
From: <U28022@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: My Milk Shake Recipe

Hello, all:
   A while ago, there was a discussion about home-made
high carb/protein low fat juices.  This is the latest concoction
I have been using.  It's very tasty, filling and stops any craving
I might have for chocolate.

   Blend together:
     1 whole banana, sliced, about 8" long (without peel, o'course)
     I/2 an apple, peeled, chopped, about 3 1/4" in diameter
     2 tablespoons honey
     1 cup skim milk

The nutritional breakdown is as follows:

Food                Calories     Proteins    Carbohydrates   Fats
                                    (g)          (g)          (g)
------------------------------------------------------------------
1c. Skim Milk          85            8           12            0
2 tbsp. Honey         130            0           34            0
1/2 Apple             125           16            3            1
1 Banana              105            1           27            1
------------------------------------------------------------------
Total                 445           25           76            2
% Calories from fat = 2*9*100/445 = 4.0%

I forgot the book that I got this info from at home, so I can't
give U the names of the authors.  The book is called "Nutrition,
Concepts and Controversies."

If anyone is interested, try out this shake.  It's very tasty
and very low in fat.  Let me know what you think.

Aijaz.

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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat Percentage but Spare Tire
Date: 1 Jan 1993 22:43:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Dec18.170508.16516@leland.Stanford.EDU> disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein) writes:
>Two years ago I lost 70 pounds, and have successfully kept it off since then.
>By doing a lot of Stairmaster, step aerobics, walking and swimming, I
>have gotten down to a body fat percentage of 18 (I am female), but I still
>have flabby upper arms and stomach (where I used to carry a lot of the
>extra weight). Is there anything I can do to tighten up these areas short
>of losing extra pounds?


Just firm up the muscles.  You're down to 18% already, but nothing you
mentioned indicates that you're exercising those body regions.  So the
flabbiness is probably lack of muscle tone, not too much fat.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Building Muscle
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:23:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.203102.11647@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
>krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:

.................... stuff deleted ........................

>: I would also use the example of bicycle racers. Be they big or small, they
>: all have "hellified" thighs. I wonder how many "reps" a racing cyclist does
>: in a typical road workout.
>
>For a 4-hour ride, figure around 90rpm*240min ~= 20,000
>
>: I also wonder how many "reps" he/she does when
>: scaling a tough hill.
>
>Let's see, maybe 70rpm*5min ~= 350.
>
>: Mind you, these folx must stay below the anaerobic
>: threshold during a workout (or a race, for that matter), because if the legs
>: pump up, the legs will quit.
>
>I have to doubt you've ever ridden in a massed start bicycle race.  A
>bicycle racer has to be prepared to go well beyond AT in order to
>maintain contact with the group.  Staying below one's AT does no good if
>you lose the draft of the bunch.  The top portion of virtually every
>climb is done at a pace beyond AT, and not infrequently beyond VO2max.
>
I guess that we have a difference of opinion on what exactly it is that
constitutes the anaerobic threshold..... oops, silly me, I just answered
my own question :-).  That line in my previous post should have read
something like:

Mind you, these folx must stay below THE POINT OF ANAEROBIC FAILURE
during a workout (or a race, for that matter), because if the legs
pump up, the legs will quit. (also, if you go too deep into oxygen
debt, then you will have to quit)

Keith R

................ stuff deleted ...................

>Very short sets (up to ~10 seconds) rely on the ATP/CP (aka alactic
>anaerobic) mechanism.  Longer sets will rely most heavily on the lactic
>anaerobic carbohydrate metabolism which can produce much more power than
>the aerobic metabolisms.  This is why your muscles start to burn.  The
>aerobic metabolisms will not significantly contribute unless each set
>lasts several minutes.  I know of nobody who does or recommends
>resistance training involving 10 minute+ sets.
>
>Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: rc3v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert L. Ciminel)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: hair removal
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:00:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfBVFdG00Uh_43Dl0Y
Organization: Environmental Health & Safety, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I am sure this topic has come up several times on the net, but my
records only go back as far as July.  

Can anyone provide info on hair removal options?  I have been using a
razor on my chest for years.  It seems to attribute to acne somehow.  I
seem to have acne only in the spots that I shave - neck, chest, feet.  
When I shaved my arms and legs I had a similar condition.  Aside from
abandoning the practice, I am considering the alternatives - body
waxing, chemicals, Epi-Dude?

bob.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Aerobic Results
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:04:38 GMT

Thanks for all the replies to my "Aerobic Results" survey and *PLEASE*
keep them coming!:)  They have been really interesting.  So far the
pattern is not so diverse.  Most seem to get results in a reasonable time,
a few struggle for a long time to achieve little.  

Setpoints etc who knows?  Thanks Again and keep them coming:)

Steve R

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Stair Climbers - Suggestions Requested
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:34:00 GMT

In article <13385.2b35bb1c@cpva.saic.com> save@cpva.saic.com writes:
>
>My apologies if this topic has been discussed into the ground, but I need
>some first time buyer guidance on stair climbers.  My budget is around $500
>and my primary concerns are a good and safe workout as well as durability.

Then buy a NordicTrack.  I'm not aware of any decent stair climbers (or 
treadmills for that matter) that are in the <$1000 range.  The mechanics
that are required to get a good, solid, fluid motion in a stair climber 
cost a lot more money than is required in a NordicTrack or exercise bike.

However, if you are determined to buy a stair climber, I'd suggest buying
from a store that will let you rent one first so you can try it out (or
rent one and then try and buy it somewhere else).  

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Re: Abs Question
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:25:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu


   >In article <28875@oasys.dt.navy.mil> ekennedy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Kennedy
   >) writes:
   >>
   >>
   >>I have been on a pretty good exercise regimin for the past 8 months
   >>or so.  I have been doing a lot of lifting and running with some bike riding
   >>thrown in.  This has been pretty successful to drop body fat, but
   >>my problem is this:  even though my body fat has dropped about 8 - 10 percent
   >>my waist(around my handles) has increased in size.  This is exactly
   >>the opposite of what I wanted.
   >>
   >>I guess what has happened is that muscle tissue has built under the fat that
   >>remains.  My question is "How can I keep toning the abs without there
   >>being growth?
   >>
   >>Thanks in advance for your input.

Since your body fat % is going down you are on the right track. If you
really want to lose these love handles you really have to reduce this
body fat more...

The second more important thing to do is to stop doing any "external
obliques" exercises. Currently, the popular wisdom is that the
external obliques are easy to develop and grow very fast and are hard
to get rid of. I would recommend that you avoid doing any obliques
exercises for a month and compare the results. 

For toning the abs, just exercise the abs without any oblique work...
Do leg raises, crunches, hanging leg lifts etc...

Keep it up... You are on the right track...

Amitabh 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: save@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stair Climbers - Suggestions Requested
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:39:56 PST
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego


My apologies if this topic has been discussed into the ground, but I need
some first time buyer guidance on stair climbers.  My budget is around $500
and my primary concerns are a good and safe workout as well as durability.
Special effects (fancy readouts) are secondary however I can appreciate their
entertainment value.  If there's a FAQ on this I'd appreciate any info on
how I can get a hold of it.  If not, any informed opinions/experiences would
be of great help.  I'm shopping around, trying to get informed, but Xmas is
quickly approaching and I'm running out of time.  Mailed responses welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

Clark
SAVE@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:10:57 GMT

In article <28875@oasys.dt.navy.mil> ekennedy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Kennedy) writes:
>
>
>I have been on a pretty good exercise regimin for the past 8 months
>or so.  I have been doing a lot of lifting and running with some bike riding
>thrown in.  This has been pretty successful to drop body fat, but
>my problem is this:  even though my body fat has dropped about 8 - 10 percent
>my waist(around my handles) has increased in size.  This is exactly
>the opposite of what I wanted.
>
>I guess what has happened is that muscle tissue has built under the fat that
>remains.  My question is "How can I keep toning the abs without there
>being growth?
>
>Thanks in advance for your input.

Has your weight changed?
What is your diet like?
What is the duration and frequency of your areobic work?
Are you getting enough fluids?
Are you getting enough fibre in your diet?

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krishna@indetech.com ()
Subject: Ensure/Ensure+ as a supplement...
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:21:06 GMT

Hi:

I'd like to know how good/bad is Ensure/Ensure+ as a supplement.
The recommended daily dossage (written on the can) is 24fl oz a day.


Thanks
Kris
-- 
Live and Let Live.

krishna@indetech.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Targetting lower lats
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:12:53 GMT

In article <42439@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jhussain@cs.ucsd.edu (Jabir Hussain) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>	I have no trouble exercising (and feeling sore in :-)) my
>	upper lats (the ones between the shoulder blades) but I
                             ^^^^^^^
Don't you mean "outside and under" the shoulder blades?

>	cannot seem to target the lower lats (the ones at about
>	elbow-level and lower).  Even wide grip pulldowns do not
>	seem to hit that area.
>
>	Any advice?  Thanks.
>
>J.

Hi Jabir!
Pulldowns, whether wide or narrow, are not going to hit your lower lats.
The low-lats come into play when bring your shoulders forcefully down
toward your waist.  You can hit them by doing paralell-bar dips with
your elbows out (imagine doing a lat-spread while dipping), or you
can do reverse side-bends with a dumbell (lifting the weight as high
as possible by contracting the lat on the free-hand-side..... this
is best done with the knees and hips _slightly_ bent.... the same
posture that you would adopt for lateral raises) 
The important thing is that you _feel_ the muscle working, because if
you can't feel it, it ain't working.

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mprisco@puma.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Building Muscle
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 14:04:00 EST

In article <1992Dec29.160633.24612@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>I've got a few questions for the "bodybuilding" experts out there.
>
>I've been doing it up on the aerobic exercises for about half a year
>now to lose some fat and this is still my goal.  I started doing
>some weight training to prevent undo muscle loss ( 3 sets of 8,
>one exercise per body part).  Im thinking now about increasing
>the muscle mass in my arms and shoulders.  Im a mesomorph.  Would
>going on a "muscle building" program interfere with fat loss?
>
>What is the best rep scheme for increasing lean tissue?
>
>How many sets per exercise is optimal for building?
>
>How many exercises per body part is optimal for building?
>
>How many times per week does a muscle need to be stressed
>to grow?
>
>Thanks 
>Steve R

Yeah-I wanna know these things too!  I'm nearing goal after losing
close to 80 lbs.  I've been doing some aerobics for the past year
and have recently joined a health club that has many aerobic
machines and Cybex weight machines.  So here's another question:
Is there a difference in doing, say, 3 reps of 8 or 24?  Do the
reps indicate that you rest or go on to another body part?  Sorry
if this is stupid, but I'm just fumbling along!

Margot


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lparisi@shearson.com (Lon G. Parisi)
Subject: Re: Too late to build?
Organization: Lehman Brothers, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.224410.14321@psg.com> rick@psg.com (Rick Buhagiar) writes:
>
>I want to start working out in a Gym, but at 25 am I too late to begin body
>building? Would Amino acids help in any way, and how should they be taken
>(after or before exercise?). I am a very thin guy (60 kilograms) and would
>like just to have a body! I have no aspirations to be Mr Universe but I would
>like a body to be proud of before its too late. I used to play alot of sport
>but with heavy job commitments I have gone into a fitness rut and I cant
>believe how I have changed in a short amount of time (physically). Whats the
>best method to motivate oneself after long periods of laziness?
>
>Regards, Rick.
>
>-- 
>rick@psg.com       uunet!m2xenix!rick

I think everyone in this newsgroup would agree that it is never too late to
start! I have a friend who is 26 and very thin as well. The guy must have a
tape worm or something because he eats like there is no tommorrow. It's
funny how genetics works.  But anyway, I noticed one day his neck looked alot
thicker, his chest..well he seemed to have the beginnings of a chest. He just
looked physically stronger and not nearly as thin. So I asked him if he had been
working out.  It turned out he had but all he was doing was 10 pushups 
whenever he got the urge. He probably banged out 120 pushups throughout the
day. With this little bit of effort he was able to produce results that
other people could see!  Imagine if the guy had worked with weights. Anyway,
I hope this gives you some encouragement.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: "ronald hands" <ronald.hands@canrem.com>
Subject: pulse monitors
Reply-To: "ronald hands" <ronald.hands@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: misc
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:15:13 EST

  Thanks to those who responded to my query about the $49 pulse rate
monitor offered by NordicTrack.
  The consensus seems to be that earlobe monitors are often both
inaccurate and uncomfortable.
  Guess I'll stick to taking my pulse for six seconds and multiplying
by 10.

-- Ron
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From: ekennedy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Kennedy)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Abs Question
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:22:58 GMT
Reply-To: ekennedy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Kennedy)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



I have been on a pretty good exercise regimin for the past 8 months
or so.  I have been doing a lot of lifting and running with some bike riding
thrown in.  This has been pretty successful to drop body fat, but
my problem is this:  even though my body fat has dropped about 8 - 10 percent
my waist(around my handles) has increased in size.  This is exactly
the opposite of what I wanted.

I guess what has happened is that muscle tissue has built under the fat that
remains.  My question is "How can I keep toning the abs without there
being growth?

Thanks in advance for your input.
From: rep@thor.genrad.com (Pete Peterson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: My Milk Shake Recipe (high-protein apples)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 07:14:46 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.genrad.com

In article <1992Dec29.215603.18227@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> tino@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (allen.j.tino) writes:
 >Where do I get those high-protein apples? :-)
 >I suspect you made an error.

If you don't spray your apple trees, you wind up with apples with a
substantial meat content and hence higher protein content, although
probably not 16 grams per 1/2 apple. :-)

	pete peterson
	rep@genrad.com
	(508)369-4400 x2478; Home: (508)256-5829 (Chelmsford, MA)

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bx938@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kal H. Dabous)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: testing
Date: 26 Dec 1992 13:39:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bx938@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kal H. Dabous)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bx938@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kal H. Dabous) says:

>
>This is
>only a test
>

Please ignore.. Sorry for the incovienence.: