HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jgardner@teal.csn.org (Jay Gardner)
Subject: Re: System 7 on older SE & SE/30 & Classic??
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:41:11 GMT

STMQ%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael Quigley) writes:
: Hi All,
: 
: Just a quick question.. I am considering purchasing an older Mac, maybe
: an SE/30 or a Classic.. Can System 7 be run on these machines??
: 
: - Mike -
: 
Absolutely!, You'll want RAM however.  I have an SE/30 currently running
7.0 - works great.  You'll need MODE32 from Connectix to get a fix for
the dirty ROMs on the SE/30 if you want to run in 32 bit mode.  On the
other machines, you won't be able to run virtual memory that is in system
7 - although Connectix has a product to provide virtual memory that may work
for these machines - I'm not sure on this one.  MODE32 is available free on
line via an arrangement with Apple...Also, 7.1 is out now, but MODE32 only
works if virtual memory is not used.  Apple is going to have a 32 bit 
enabler out for the SE/30 and other "dirty ROM" machines that works with 
7.1...

Good Luck,
Jay Gardner
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: manuel@space.ualberta.ca  (John Manuel)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Macs
Reply-To: manuel@space.ualberta.ca  (John Manuel)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:39:49 GMT

Joe_D._Ciarcia@fourd.com writes:
> Vaccum cleaners generate lots of static electricity.... computers and
> static don't mix very well.  I believe that 3M makes a vaccum cleaner that
> is designed for cleaning computers.  I think it cost somewhere around $250.

Exactly how does the static charge on the vacuum cleaner cause a problem?  
Wouldn't it be easy just to ground the metal part of the vacuum cleaner hose  
so as to remove the potentially damaging charge?

--
John R. Manuel                   Department of Physics, University of Alberta
manuel@space.ualberta.ca                   Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA, T6G 2J1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Fred Chen <flc1@cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: HEY, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE IISI POSTINGS----
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 00: 31:53 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: flc1@cornell.edu
Organization: school
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:24:30 GMT

CAN SOMEONE PPPPPPLEASE REPOST THE LONNNNNNNNNNG ARTICLE ON THE
PRO/CONS/PROCEDURE FOR 25MHZING A IISI?

FRED
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: tuc@calico.cs.wisc.edu (Brian A. Cole)
Subject: Re: merits of ATM??  [summary of responses]
Keywords: TrueType PostScript Type1 Adobe ATM
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:09:46 GMT

tuc@calico.cs.wisc.edu (Brian A. Cole) writes:
] I'm trying to figure out why people use ATM on their Sys7.x macs.
] 
] A lot of people use it, so it must have some advantages over TrueType,
] but I haven't been able to find any advantages that I'd be willing to
] pull out my wallet for.
] 
]             Email replies directly to me, I will summarize to the net.

Here is a list of responses that were sent in by more than one person.
I can't vouch for any of this information, so absorb it at your own risk.

 1.  There are "lots more" public domain PStype1 than TT fonts available.
 2.  For PostScript printing, PStype1 fonts are more efficient/reliable.
 3.  Some/most service bureaus can't/don't  handle TT fonts well/at all.
 4.  ATM will eventually be incorporated into system software anyway.
 5.  Adobe illustrator can't convert TT fonts to outlines (yet).
 6.  On slower Macs on Image-/Style-Writer, ATM is faster than TT.
 7.  TT fonts take about 40% more disk space than PStype1 fonts.

Thanks to all who responded (especially since I was unable to make any
individual replies):  Bill Johnston, Larry Rosenstein, Kenneth Chang,
Jonathan Brecher, Eric S. Smith, Michael D. Murie, David D. Levine,
Chris M. Hanson, Steven H. Lee, William Kucharski, John Elmore,
John M. Stafford, J. Elmore, J. August, Scott Bayes, Jeff Sullivan,
Tom Dowdy, and (indirectly) Chris Trimble.

brian
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: WoldScript 1 Extension, Does it live?
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:22:44 GMT

Daniel_A._Chirkov@fourd.com wrote:
: >>Do i have to buy this APPLE SYSTEM SOFTWARE?<<
: I'm generaly annoyed about Apple's behavior with System 7.1 and World Script
: and TrueType. Why can't they make it easier instead of more complex.

It seems it never occured to Apple that people outside a specific country
could be interested in the script system of that country. That's why the
japanese script is only available in Japan etc.

There are signs that Apple is going to change this policy, just give them
time. Apple wanted to release system 7.1 when it was available, and at least
I am grateful they didn't wait until all script systems was ready before they
released system 7.1.

/Mats
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Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Michael_J._Bell@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:50:21 EST
Subject: Re: Strange system problems!!

3. It's supposed to redraw the screen! after all you're non-8 bit icons have to
be updated to their colorful cousins!)
4.It takes this long because its loading up the names.....try telling it
(control panel) to only update when option is pressed
********************************************************************
System: fourd.com                                Phone: 617-494-0565
Cute quote:  Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry
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From: brecher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Baseline's Macintalk
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:49:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.BRECHER.92Dec18234937
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: macdevil@netlink.cts.com's message of Fri, 18 Dec 92 07:26:52 PST

macdevil@netlink.cts.com (Leonard Cayetano) writes:
>Baseline has given permission to release their version of Macintalk to 
>the public.  I saw it up at GEnie and it could be available in one of the 
>Mac FTP sites as we speak.

This is incorrect.  Baseline themselves offer MacInTalk from their own support
area on several services on which they offer support.  Just as Apple System 
Software (some of it, anyway) is freely available at ftp.apple.com but may
not be redistributed anywhere else, neither may MacInTalk.

This issue recently came up regarding a submission to mac.archive.umich.edu
and we got the official word from Baseline.  Absolutely no way it may be posted
to an ftp site.

					jonathan brecher
					brecher@husc.harvard.edu
					assistant mac.archivist
From: m1dkk00@fed.frb.gov (David K. Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: SCSI disk on a Machintosh
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:09:33 GMT
Reply-To: m1dkk00@fed.frb.gov ()
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC


Help
I have a generic SCSI disk drive and would like to connect it to my
MacII.  I heard that the Macintosh external drive cable had a different
pin configuration.  Something about pin 50 not being grounded or something.

Thanks to those who reply.

David
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant))
Subject: Re: MacsBug tutorial?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 04:48:15 GMT

Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant)) writes:
>> The MacsBug manual has great example and tutorial!

>Where can one get the MacsBug manual?

Purchase it from APDA, and she will mail you catalogue every quarter for
more updated reference.

Mr.Sai-Kee WONG


>-- faisal jawdat                  | "Certainly the game is rigged.
>email: fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu       | Don't let that stop you;
>if mail handler barfs             | if you don't bet, you can't win." 
>fj05@andrew.cmu.edu               |        -Lazarus Long
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: monitn@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Re: Memory Loss (MacAlzheimers?!)
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:53:39 GMT

wrowe@reed.edu ( ) writes:

>Anyone know why it is that Macintoshs' RAM memory seems to be gradually eaten
>up when applications are ran? That is, why is that when I first start my Mac
>I have x amount of memory available, and then after running a few applications
>and quiting them I always have (x - some) lesser amount of memory available. It
>seems like the programs chew up some extra memory that cannot be recovered
>even after the programs are no longer in memory. What gives?

Are you quitting applications in the reverse order of launching them? Each 
program takes up a (somewhat) sequential block of memory. For example...

System- 1500K
VersaTerm-800K
Microsoft Word- 1500K
Note Pad- 20K
Aldus PageMaker- 2000K
Solitaire- 256K

Assuming you launched the applications top to bottom, you would use about
6076K. If you have an 8 Meg machine, this leaves you about 2126K free. If you
quit the applications in the reverse order, you should go all the way back to
about 6692K free when you got back to the system level. If you quit ones in the
middle of the pack, you do not add to the largest free block. Rather, you form
newer blocks of free memory. Even when you quit all the applications (in a
different order), your largest unused block still may not be 6692K, since for
some reason, blocks which are suddenly adjacent do not always unite.

If, on the other hand, you are quitting applications in the reverse order,this
example is moot, and something else is eating your memory... :)

Nick (monitn@rpi.edu)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: System 7 on Mac II
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:21:20 GMT

cramer@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Cramer) writes:
: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman) writes:
: : cook@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Steve Cook) writes:
: : :     I have a Mac II and want to try System 7.  Two questions:
: : :     1.  Should I bother or is the system going to be too slow?
: : It will be a little bit slower, but it doesn't get too bad.
: : :     2.  Where do I find the PMMU chip required and how much is it
: : :         going to set me back?
: : The PMMU chip is not required for System 7.
: 
: But if one was looking for a PMMU for the MacII (to run virtual memory)
: where would one find it?  I've poked around a bit, and can't seem to
: find a vender (Apple no longer sells it).
: 

Just look at the adverts in the back of MacWeek, MacWorld, etc.

Just looked at several... about $70.

Greg.
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gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     * \ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.
Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \  /  *         SILENCE = DEATH
Motorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \/   *     First, be true to yourself.
From: STMQ%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael Quigley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: My Apologies
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:38:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Dear Readers,

Sorry about the huge signature file that got posted, I realize that it
is bad form to carry around such a huge signature.. That signature was
originally intended to be a joke that only got out to a few people on
a specific mailing list.. Because of an error on my part it went out
with all of my postings.. I took care of it..

My Apologies And Thanks For All The Help,

- Mike -

======================================================================
Michael Francis Quigley    =          Marist College, Poughkeepsie, NY
"Peace through music.."    =                        stmq@vm.marist.edu
======================================================================
From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Problem with Jasmine disk under system 7.0.1 on plus and SE
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:47:44 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: UB

In a previous message, David_Martyn@mindlink.bc.ca (David Martyn) says:

>The problem you are having is with the Jasmine Driveware which never got
>updated to work with System 7.  Since Jasmine is out of business you will
>have to try your luck with a third party driver - I am using Drive 7 on a
>very old Jasmine MegaDrive 20 and it works except I have to manually eject
>the disk.

Actually, Jasmine DriveWare *was* updated -- version 2.0 is available
and is compatible with System 7.  It's marketed by Seagull Software;
I don't know the number offhand, but it was listed in MacUser a few
issues ago.  Perhaps someone else knows the contact number?

  -- Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: leec4@rpi.edu (CD LEE)
Subject: Re: FPU emulation
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:12:12 GMT

In article <7059@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, 2034bang@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Steve Bang)
wrote:
> 
> In article <Mf7sfrC00iV383820E@andrew.cmu.edu> fg23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Fernand Gobet) writes:
> 
> 
> >Does anyone know of sofware that emulates the Floating Point Unit chip,
> >and that is compatible with System 7.1. 
> 
> >Thanks for any pointer,
> 
> I just began trying using SoftwareFPU on my new Duo 230, which runs
> System 7.1, and it seems to work fine.
> 
> Steve
> 
> --
> Steven K. Bang                              !  The empires of the future
> Sciences-Engineering Library                !    are the empires of the mind.
> University of California at Santa Barbara   !      
> e-mail: skbang@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu             !           -- Winston Churchill 

I installed SoftwareFPU on my Duo210. It doesn't seem to work.
Excel 3.0 or 4.0 indicate there is no FPU install.
I also cannot use KaleidaGraph (require FPU).

Thanks any help.

CD LEE, Chun-Da Lee                              leec4@rpi.edu
ITS Consultant, Information Technology Service  CD_Lee@MTS.RPI.EDU
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Subject: Radius Rocketware 2.0 upgrade
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: boeing
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:44:52 GMT

Last I heard the sofware named above was in beta and would be
available in December.

Here it is, mid-December and I haven't seen mention of it.

Anybody with any info on this?

Is Rocketman online?

Rick
----------thanks

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           Moved                 |           
  Left no forwarding address.    | It wastes your time           
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: hunter@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Hunter Scales)
Subject: What is folder ___Move&Rename?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:07:35 GMT


	I just bought a Perfoma 400 for my sister for Christmas
	and I noticed an invisible folder called _ _ _ _Move&Rename
	where (_) is printed as an unfilled box.  I then connected
	this machine to my own via LocalTalk and this fold appeared on
	*my* disk as well.  The Performa is running 7.0.1P.  Anyone
	know what this is and if it is safe to trash it?



-- 
Hunter Scales                                      Motorola Semiconductor Inc.
hunter@prometheus.sps.mot.com                      Austin, Texas
"The opinions expressed in this posting do no necessarily reflect
those of the management"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (prufrock)
Subject: Re: TRIVIA!!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:37:28 GMT

In article <Af_u18m00WB708SnsM@andrew.cmu.edu> fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
>What is this text, and where did it come from:
>"Time n.  A nonspatial
>continuum in which events
>occur in apparently
>irreversible succession from
>the past throught the present
>to the future."

Simple.  This is the text in the balloon that Balloon Help brings up if
you point to the QuickTime extension.

One of the better uses of Balloon Help, IMHO.

Too easy.  Got another?
--prufrock (toj8j@virginia.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: pw@campeau.lucid.com (Paul Wieneke)
Subject: 32 bit addressing in 6.0.8
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:52:28

How does one turn on 32-bit addressability in 6.0.8?  There is nothing on
the control panel for this and I can't find any "memory" control-panel
documents on any 6.0.8 system disks.  

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: What is different WorldScript I and II?
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:01:26 GMT

Dongseok Choi (choi@gsbsrc.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: Hello, netters?
:  According to MacWeek(12/14/92, p60),
:  there are WorldScript I and II.
:  Could you explain what's different?

Apple divided all script systems in two parts. One of them concists of the
script systems where the text goes the "wrong" direction, and the other
contains the scripts that have special characters, like japanese and chinese.

When you're going to use a script system, you draw the script system to the
system folder, together with the right WorldScript extension.

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: WANTED: utility to kick users off a shared volume
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:55:24 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Dec11.142443.4999@Princeton.EDU> jdunning@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
(John Alan Dunning) writes:
>Are there any, preferably shareware, utilities which automatically 
>log users off an AppleShare volume after a certain amount of time?
>I know I've had volumes unmounted on me.

I don't know of any shareware to do this, but Nok Nok will do it. It's
published by:

Trik
400 W. Cummings Park, Suite 2350
Woburn, MA 01801

(800) 466-TRIK
(617) 933-8810

I don't remember what it cost.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:41:25 EST
From: <2958804@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: mac with multiple monitors HELP!!

I need help.  I have an SE/30 with a second monitor attached via a card.  I wan
t to be able to disconnect the second monitor from the se30 and take it home,
and use the built in monitor.  I succeeded in reconfiguring things via the "mon
itor" control panel so that the built in monitor is the startup monitor and con
tains the menu bar, but some applications STILL position their windows on the s
econd monitor, the one that isn't there any more.  Is there any way around this
 other than opening up the mac and disconnecting the monitor card??? please rea
ply to the email address above.  Thanks, Paul.
From: fitzpajp@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 7 & Adobe Illustrator 3.0
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:28:17 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I am having problems running Adobe Illustrator 3.0 on system 7.  I can not get
text to be viewed or printed.  I also can not get any other fonts to load
except the basic system fonts.  If anyone knows a solution to my problem,
please post a message or send e-mail.  Thanks in advance.
   
                                               John Fitzpatrick
                                           
                                
                                        Bitnet: fitzpajp@UCBEH
                                        Internet: fitzpajp@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 Phone Number?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:34:35 GMT

chapman@sun.cis.ycc.yale.edu (Jonathan Chapman) writes:

>Anyone still have the phone number I need to call Apple and order 7.1? Is
>this still an option, or do I need to find a dealer? 

I tried mailing to you, but the mail bounced cuz something is
not compatible between our mail protocols, so....

Try 1-800-795-1000. The System 7.1 Personal Upgrade Kit is part
number A1315 and is priced at $99.

Hope this helps. =)

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From: JohnM._Stafford@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: sys 6.0.x
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:13:14 GMT
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.

What system are you using? If you have a Mac that can hold 4MB of RAM then I
wholeheartedly recommend System 7. 6.0.8  improves speed a little and it takes
into account System 7 vagaries without introducing a System folder too big to
run on wimpy Macs.
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC