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From: olender@vivaldi.cs.colostate.edu (Kurt Olender)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: CRC failure at diskette 10 during install
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:35:19 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Colorado State Univ. Computer Science Dept.


I'm having some trouble installing OS/2 on a clone machine.

I installed perfectly on the machine with 4MB and using FAT.  Now after
upgrading to 8MB RAM, and reformating C to HPFS, I'm getting CRC failures at
diskette 10 during install.  I recall some time ago seeing some other messages
on this but didn't

System configuration:

386/40, 8 MB, 213MB Maxtor IDE drive, AMI BIOS (-8 keyboard version).

The outdated keyboard BIOS might be the problem, but then again might
not.  Anyone remember the causes of these problems?  

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: bypassing the OS/2 printer driver (aye Scotty)
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.004721.250@cco.caltech.edu> hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) writes:
>I have a really dumb DOS program that will only print to a file
>with an extension .out.  This means that I can't use LPT1.OS2 as
>a means of speeding up printing.
>Since this is a graphics program printing to LPT1 is very slow. Anyone
>got any clever schemes that would allow this program to bypass the
>OS/2 print driver and print directly to the spooler.

Try using LPT1.OUT -- it doesn't particularly matter what extension
you use.  LPT1.TMP, LPT1.A, LPT1.BUZ -- all those work just fine.

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From: tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Trap 00000e?  Is it my new Adaptec 1542b?
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:51:23 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I've been running OS/2 2.0 pretty solidly for the last few months.  Just last
week I upgraded from a regular 16-bit SCSI controller to the bust mastering
Adaptec 1542b.  Now I ramdomly get Trap 00000e's or the screen just goes
totally out of sync and OS/2 locks tight (no ctl-alt-del, or esc-alt, etc).

My configuration which has been pretty solid until the Adaptec:

386/40, 8meg RAM, NEC 660meg SCSI, Diamond Speedstar Hicolor, AMI bios,
PAS-16 sound card...

The Adaptec ROM is dated v3.1 1988.  Is this the last rev??  I'm using the
latest aha154x.add from hobbes, the latest orchid svga drivers from hobbes,
all the kernel, comm, vga, and floppy patches as well.

I've left the Adaptec at its default settings and made sure I had no IRQ and
DMA conflicts with the PAS-16.  Adding the new card was a breeze, but OS/2
doesn't seem quite as stable anymore.  Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Tom

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From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: WP 5.1 under OS/2
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 11:08:35 PDT
Organization: GORILLA BBS

So I found the answer to my questions about WordPerfect 5.1 under
OS/2 loading text files.  The situation is that WP is waiting
for the operator to tell it to get on with it!   If you try to
load text, after the loading goes on for a while, hit F7 twice,
and the file pops on to the screen!

Thanks to Mr T V Chau for his timely tip.

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From: jwoods@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Jeff Woods)
Subject: Re: --> DeskJet Owners READ THIS <--
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:44:46 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: printer drivers

In article <p1g083k@fido.asd.sgi.com> close@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Diane Barlow Close) writes:
>I just got off the phone with HP's customer support (DeskJet division)
>after being told by IBM that IBM was NOT working on printer drivers
>for the DeskJet and IBM didn't know what HP was doing.  Well, so far
>HP isn't working on drivers for the DeskJet family of printers either.

Another solution is to use a printer driver that IS available that is "close 
enough" to your printer to work.  The original DeskJet is a PCL 3 printer with
128K memory and no softfont support, as I recall.  So is the original LaserJet.
So if you have a DeskJet you ought to be able to use the LaserJet (original 
128K version) driver as a work around.  Other DeskJet printers are supersets of
the original DeskJet as I understand it, so they should also work with the 
LaserJet driver.  I suspect that the DeskJet 500+ may be more like a 
LaserJet II and could be better supported by that driver instead.  

Basically, if you don't have a driver that exactly matches your device, try to
find a driver that IS available which most closely matches your devices 
features without exceeding them.  That way at least you have the functionality
of the supported device.  And on HP PCL printers, you can often get away with
using a driver that expects features that your printer may not have because
HP designed PCL (and their very similar terminal command set too) to have 
devices ignore commands which are not supported.  That minimizes the effect of 
using a driver that implements a feature your device doesn't have.  You should
still, however, try to match as closely as possible the features without 
exceeding the device's ability if possible.

As I don't personally use a DeskJet, "your mileage will vary."  Good luck!
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From: ba014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff)
Subject: OS/2 v2.0 & S3 Card
Reply-To: ba014@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew C. Brinkhoff)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 16:19:51 GMT


Are there any Seamless SVGA drivers for S3 cards out yet?

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From: odyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: c000005 error on first install
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:13:54 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

I just got a new computer which  came with DOS preinstalled and I tried to
install OS/2 on the same drive (C:).  After the installation was complete, I
clicked to restart the computer (as prompted) and got the OS/2 initial screen. 
However, right after that I get nothing but a "c000005" error on the top left corner
and the system hangs. I tried to boot from the first two floppies to get the
command prompt and then typed boot /dos.  It said that it was preparing the
disk drive for dos and then restarted and gave "command interpreter not found"
error.  So, I can't do anything with my computer.  Please help.

My system config:

  No name 486-50 with 4 mb RAM
  Paradise compatible vedio driver with 1 mb ram






Really vanilla machine, went for default os/2 install, selected FAT since
installed on existing DOS drive, migrated existing dos/windows applications bu
From: glenw@remus.rutgers.edu (Glenn Wasserman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: C/2
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:20:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have a very old version of IBM C/2. It's dated 1987, and I have all the 
license and documentation materials. Does anyone know if I'm eligible for a    free or low-cost upgrade to the 32-bit version? I'd love to be able to make 
32-bit applications. Also, are there any plans for C Set/2 to go object-oriented in the future?

Thanks, 
	Glenn Wasserman
	glenw@remus.rutgers.edu
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From: lrj@cs.cornell.edu (Lew Jansen)
Subject: Query: IDE drive (plus ET4k question)
Organization: Lab of Atomic and Solid State Physics, Cornell University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:05:57 GMT



	  Although I saw much of the IDE vs. SCSI battles here, it
	degraded into enough of a can/can't LL format IDE "discussion"
	that I proceeded to ignore it.

	  Of course, I now find myself in a position where I need to
	replace my existing (MFM) hard disk.  What kind of price does
	the Adaptec 1542b SCSI controller have?  My jaw hit the floor
	when I saw the pricing on the Ultrastor controllers.

	  I'm afraid that plain economics will dictate that I opt for
	IDE.  In light of this, I'm considering the Quantum LPS120A.
	Any opinions?  How well do they deal with other drives if I
	decide to add another IDE at a later date?

	  On another topic, I have yet to succeed in getting something
	other than the 640 16 color WPS screen on my generic ET4000
	video card.  I've updated the files I need, tried all the
	Orchid drivers, followed their directions, played with VMODEB
	to try to set the card up every which way.  I can't do 1024 as
	my monitor won't handle non-interlaced and I can't find an
	interlaced mode with < 60 Hz vertical rate.  Essentially, the
	stuff loads and OS/2 is running, but I get the text screen
	with all the funky colored blocks.  Any ideas would be
	appreciated, as I'm all but resigned to waiting for the CSD.

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From: djbpitt+@pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: "Stuck" keys in OS/2
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:37:04 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug31.054353.23356@njitgw.njit.edu> 
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>>Does anyone else have a "stuck" key problem in OS/2?  I've seen this happen
>>in PM, OS/2 full screen, DOS full screen and various apps.  The system
>>suddenly behaves as if one or more of Alt, Shift and/or Ctrl are being held
>>down. The keyboard is not sticking physically, and I am certainly not holding
>>these keys down at the time.
>
>Not that this cures anything, but I've always been able to undo a
>stuck-shift condition by pressing CTRL-SHIFT a few times.

Not that this helps, but the problem isn't unique to OS/2; I encounter
it frequently in DOS on a machine that doesn't have OS/2. I spent a few
days juggling TSRs and finally decided it was easier using the
CTRL-SHIFT treatment than trying to trace the culprit. Annoying,
though.

--David

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: Where OS/2 2.0 CSD?
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:31:18 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Btwsvx.LHK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> btf57346@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Byron "Bohr" Faber) writes:
>Ok.  With all this talk about the CSD I would like to know:
>
>Is this something I have to call IBM about and get or will
>this be one of those files on hobbes I could grab.  
>
>Or even worse.  Will it cost $$$$. 

It should be announced to registered users, although you'll probably
hear about it here on UseNet first.  It will be free if you download
it or bring disks to your SE (for those lucky enough to have an SE).
If you want IBM to ship disks, there will be a media charge.  This is
the most recent thing I've heard about the CSD.

>Any rumors (yes I'm asking for rumors and I know that they won't
>be facts.  :)   )  about what will be included in the CSD besides
>the 32-bit graphis engine and win 3.1 support.

Bug fixes for most (if not all) of the bugs that have been reported.

Possibly a stack of IBM internal freeware utilities.

Improved sVGA support, including hi-res seamless drivers.

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From: jedwards@ms.uky.edu (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Re: Why won't the d*mn windows stay put?
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:58:43 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

lrj@cs.cornell.edu (Lew Jansen) writes:


>	  If a window (such as an OS/2 window) is minimized to the
>	desktop, when it is re-opened it goes to the upper-left corner
>	instead of reappearing where it was.  This is annoying to say
>	the least.  How to I force it to come back to the spot it was
>	minimized from?  This is especially annoying if I want to
>	quickly get some on-line help about something; I've got to
>	move the d*mn 4os2 window back to where it was
>	

I *think* windows exhibit this behavior only if you Maximize them.  If you
Minimize then Restore the window should return to the position it had when
it was minimized...
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From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Win3.1 support *better* than MS!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:27:01 GMT

tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) writes:

>If IBM is able to make OS/2 run Windows 3.0 applications
>that Windows 3.1 can't run, why or how are they able to do it?  

I assume it's because IBM is able to use Win 3.0 code in one vdm,
Win 3.1 code in another vdm, and Win 2.x code in yet another.
I wouldn't be surprised if there appeared an option to choose 
between a Win 2.x, 3.0, and 3.1 vdm in the Win-OS2 settings after
the CSD is applied.

This is just a guess.

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From: mark@snark.itc.gu.edu.au (Mark Hessling)
Subject: What is BookMaster ?
Keywords: Book
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date:  2 Sep 92 04:08:00 GMT

I have seen references to BookMaster in a couple of documents. What is
it ? Is it a commercial IBM product or a utility ?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

Mark.
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From: Bill.Hirt@mtask.omahug.org (Bill Hirt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Automated program gone wild
Date: 03 Sep 92 19:27:58 CST
Reply-To: bill.hirt@mtask.omahug.org
Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc

An automated posting program here reposted several long messages in this
newsgroup the past two days, including the FAQ list. This program is not
supposed to do this and has been disabled so that it won't happen again. My
apologies for adding excess duplicate traffic in this already newsgroup.


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From: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 Win3.1 support *better* than MS!
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:12:59 GMT
	<1992Aug27.180325.6305@njitgw.njit.edu>
Reply-To: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com
Organization: /home/jeff/.organization

On 27 Aug 92 18:03:25 GMT, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) said:

D> But in this case, "RSN" wasn't a statement by IBM, but one by Mr.
D> Withers.  IBM has stated "Fall", which means (to me) any time between
D> September and November.  Unofficial rumors out of IBM are saying
D> September, but I disbelieve unofficial rumors from any source.

Fall, to me, means September 22 to December 20.  I suppose most people
in this country consider December part of winter, but winter doesn't
begin until December 21.
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From: anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson)
Subject: Do ARCHIVES of this newsgroup exist?
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:10:56 GMT

Several months ago there was a discussion about installing the OS/2 ver 2 
upgrade package on a virgin disk.  The upgrade wants to find either DOS or 
OS/2 v1.3 on the disk before allowing installation to proceed.  There were 
comments as to how to circumvent this.

Does anyone know if any site archives this newsgroup - or if it is available 
for searching by a WAIS any where?


Thanks!

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Mouse not recognized, driver not installed! Please help.
Keywords: mouse, driver, install
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:45:37 GMT

In article <n9dnakm.abe@netcom.com> abe@netcom.com (David Abercrombie) writes:
>I just installed OS/2 on a SCSI system with DOS and I have
>a major problem.  Can anyone help me please?
>How can I get OS/2 to use my Microsoft mouse on com1?  It
>works fine under DOS, but when I boot OS/2 with the boot manager,
>I get the following error message (after the OS/2 logos):
>	SYS1201: The device driver "D:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS" specified
>	in the device commmand on line 62 of CONFIG.SYS was not 
>	installed.  Line 62 is ignored.
>I hit "enter" to boot OS/2, but I do not get a mouse!  I sometimes
>see the little watchclock cursor symbol flashing only.  How can
>I get my mouse to work?
>line 41: FCBS=16,8
>line 42: RMSIZE=640
>line 43: DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\VEMM.SYS 
>line 44: DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS 

Put this line (44) after line 60, below, but before line 61.

>line 59: DEVICE=D:\OS2\POINTDD.SYS 
>line 60: DEVICE=D:\OS2\MOUSE.SYS SERIAL=COM1 
>line 61: DEVICE=D:\OS2\COM.SYS  
>line 62: DEVICE=D:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS  

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Data Exchange Device Recommendation
Keywords: backup devices; sydos
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:17:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.213116.11439@wubios.wustl.edu> phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) writes:
>We are currently implementing a distributed system running under OS/2 where
>users (about 10), distributed across the country need to send data to us on
>a weekly basis.  We can design the system in various ways but we probably
>need a media that will hold at least 20MB.  The systems will be CompuAdd
>486 machines and we originally specified using the Sydos 44i optical disks
>since they can be purchased from CompuAdd and we were assured they were
>supported on OS/2.  The fact that they could be logically accessed as a
>disk was seen as attractive, but not essential.  When we started testing
>our first sytem we discovered that the driver is not available and won't be
>until after the first of the year.  This is outside of the time frame that
>we need to have the system deployed.
>I am interested in recommendations from others.  Either tape or disk would
>be usable, but support over the next several years is probably critical.
>The device would also be used for local backup.  Speed is not critical
>since it can be written to overnight.  Cost of both device and media is
>relevant, but the media can be recycled.  The media need to be shipped via
>mail domestically.

You have several options.  The most obvious is to go with Bernoulli
drives, which do have OS/2 2.0 drivers now.  Each cartridge can hold
roughly 90 MB and is a similar technology to the Syquest device.
Contact Iomega (or one of their dealers) for details.

Another interesting option would be to go with a floptical drive.
These drives are now supported by OS/2 2.0.  Each floptical disk holds
about 20 MB.  The media cost is substantially lower than Bernoulli or
Syquest, even on a per megabyte basis.  A floptical drive, with SCSI
adapter, runs about $450.  Contact the Floptical Technology
Association, 21710 Stevens Creek Blvd. #220, Cupertino, CA 95014, tel.
408-446-0407.

IBM sells devices which might serve you well, so it is certainly worth
checking with them.  For tape drives you should check with Maynard,
Irwin, IBM, and perhaps others, but, since tape drives don't look like
regular disk drives to the system, it is probably not the best option
for you.

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From: mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Mark Ferraretto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Win-OS2 Windowed sessions with SVGA
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:56:40 GMT


When I was running the Generic VGA driver under OS/2 2.0 on my 486DX2/50 I 
could get WINOS2 applications running in a WIN-OS2 window.  Being the greedy
hog that I am, I installed an 800x600x256 driver for my Tzeng PT2014Z 
(ET4000 chip).  I installed the orchid driver.  Now I can't get WIN-OS2 
windowed sessions any more!  I have to run WIN-OS2 session full screen.  This
is very distressing.  Does anyone know how I can get my WIN-OS2 sessions
windowed again in SVGA?

PS  It didn't work in 800x600x16, 1024x768x16, 640x480x256 either.
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