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From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:20:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug15.022526.14014@Princeton.EDU> spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.210137.24157@csus.edu>, tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>) writes:
>>	I want to know who is "finger"ing me (no jokes please...)
>>and I want it to keep a log.
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>From the frequency with which similar questions arise, I would guess
>that no such fingerd has been written, but if you write one, I suggest
>you definitely post it because there seem to be a lot of people who
>would like to have it (I'm not one of them though)

Actually, there is one, provisionally.  There is a fingerd (for the NeXTs,
should be easily portable to other platforms) that uses RFC931 for user
authentication.  The other end has to be running authd (or something similar)
for it to work.

Sources available from nova.cc.purdue.edu:pub/next/2.0-release/source/
new-fingerd-1.04.tar.Z, nidentd2.0.tar.Z} or somesuch.
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Xref: sparky comp.unix.admin:4624 comp.sys.sun.admin:5706
From: coleman@bldrdoc.gov (Sean Coleman 497-5672 )
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Automate the changing of email aliases
Keywords: software automatin
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:49:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster

This is a repost. I am looking for software where
a user can send mail to an email address on my host
and have their alias changed in the email alias list or
they can add their alias to my list. 

My host serves as a gateway for mail and many of the 
users I intend this for will not have accounts on my machine
so they will not be able to provide a .forward file.

Thanks

Sean Coleman

Xref: sparky comp.unix.admin:4547 comp.unix.large:275 ba.seminars:532
From: bjorn@mips.com (Bjorn Satdeva - /sys/admin Inc)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.large,ba.seminars
Subject: Bay-LISA Aug 20th: Mac to UNIX administration
Date: 14 Aug 1992 19:56:24 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rapid.mips.com
Summary: Mac to UNIX administration
Originator: bjorn@rapid.mips.com


Bay-LISA                                                     August 20th

NOTE: New Meeting Location.  See directions below.


A Macneophyte's Experiences with Mac to Unix Administration

Arch Mott, a confirmed Macneophyte, will discuss his experiences with the
design and implementation of an AppleTalk network interconnected to a TCP/IP
network. 

Topics to be covered:
  Network Configuration
  Hardware and Software used
  Problems Encountered
  Lessons Learned


Video tapes of previous meetings are available for Bay-LISA members.
Send e-mail to baylisa-info@sysadmin.com for further information.


General Meeting Information:

        Date:   Thursday, August 20th 7:30 PM
                (Third Thursday of every month)
                Please do not arrive before 7 PM.

        Place:  DEC
	From 101 take the Great America Parkway/Bowers Avenue exit.
	Take Great America Parkway, keep right.  Come to the first
	light, turn right and keep left.  At the first light, turn
	left into the parking lot of the office complex where Santa
	Clara III (WRO3) is.  The main entrance is right off a foun-
	tain in the center.  The meeting room is on the first floor.

        Info:    Send e-mail to baylisa-info@sysadmin.com, or you
                 may contact:

                 Bjorn Satdeva (408) 241-3111
                 bjorn@sysadmin.com

The Bay-LISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest for
administration of sites with more than 100 users and/or computers.  
The meetings are free and open to the public.
From: schweik@cpp.ob.open.de (Martin Schweikert)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Prevent user from editing /etc/passwd
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:13:29 GMT
Organization: Private/FRG

Hi!

I have a user on my SVR3 machine who knows - and must know :-( - the
root password.

I tried to find a method to prevent him from editing /etc/passwd. It's
quite difficult.

Because I know he uses vi, I tried to replace /usr/bin/vi by a shell
script that tests if one of its parameters is *passwd. If so,
it would write a message to my terminal, send me mail, and make a copy
of /etc/passwd before it would invoke the original vi. Exactly here is
the problem: vi (I don't know much about it :-) seems to check under
what name it was invoked. And in my replacement script I invoked it
with "vi.orig". So vi finds out it wasn't invoked as vi, vedit, ... and
it seems that ex gets executed (I know perfectly nothing about ex).

Now, my question: is there another possibility than writing a C program
that exec()s vi? Not that it was a problem to write such a program, but
I would like to keep things as simple as possible ...

Martin
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield)
Subject: SCO TCP/IP troubles
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:22:19 GMT

Hi,

We're enjoying SCO UNIX V R3.2.2, but when we run the name server daemon 
(named) our TCP/IP telnet access has slowed markedly.  It takes over 1 minute
to receive the login prompt from the system for a TCP/IP connection.  Removing
the name server speeds us back up again.

Any configuration changes which can be suggested to improve this problem.

Another by product of the condition seems to be that SMTP daemons which are
spawned by inetd can't get enough resources while named is running to receive
mail properly..  Things couldn't be too much worse.  I don't want to choose
between my name server and these other important services

Thanks in advance.

Dean
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From: tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:50:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Sacramento

In article <1992Aug22.150138.14345@wam.umd.edu> reh@wam.umd.edu (Huddleston) writes:
>
>It seems to me that, if someone at a "secure" government net site wants to 
>disable the local finger daemon, the well-known port number for that process
> .....
>"ranting" is probably a little strong, but fingering someone is pretty much 
>an innocent act.  Do you also regret that there's no mechanism for knowing
>who looks up your name in the phone book?
>
	True... fingering someone is an innocent act.  No argument there.
One comment - internally finger must work for other employees to see. 
I do have a question regarding that.  Does anyone in net-land remotely
agree that the finger is a possible security hole for a well seasoned
unix guru?  (that which I am obviously not and admit it)
From: ern+@cs.cmu.edu (Rudy Nedved)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: What is AFS? (as regards Depot)
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:40:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bt72nx.C2q.1
Distribution: comp
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

AFS is the Andrew File System. A system akin to Sun Microsystems NFS
developed between IBM and Carnegie Mellon University.

It has grown and been turned into a real product expanded, maintained, 
serviced and sold by Transarc in Pittsburgh PA.

In addition the "newest" version some people nickname as AFS 4.? (most
people run AFS 3.?) is part of the DFS (Distributed File System) subsystem
under OSF.

Overall, AFS is a big cost saver if you have significant number of computers
and are losing lots of man hours to administration. On the other hand, it has
some other problems when compared to other cross-system file system mechanisms
like NFS.

Cheers,
-Rudy
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.hp,ctp.it
From: jmay@ctp.com (Jason May)
Subject: Odd Hang Symptoms (HP)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:36:40 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners


HP 9000/847, running HPUX 8.02.

Symptoms of a recent system hang:

The machine responded happily to ping packets, and telnet would connect,
but the login prompt would never appear for telnet, we couldn't log in
on the console, and ftp/rlogin/etc. did not work.  NFS requests would
all time out.

We rebooted the machine and now all is fine, but I've never seen these
symptoms before.  Has anyone else seen this happen?

Thanks in advance,
-Jason (jmay@ctp.com)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: Does yp use a user named `+' with no password?
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:16:01 GMT

I found the user `+' in my /etc/passwd file and it had no password.  I
inserted a `*' for the password, and within an hour somebody complained
that they couldn't log into my computer using yp anymore.  I didn't see
any reference to this in the man pages.  What's up?

Dave
From: rawn@manduca..neurobio.arizona.edu (Rawn Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:15:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <1992Aug15.022526.14014@Princeton.EDU>, by spencer@stroke.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun):
> In article <1992Aug14.210137.24157@csus.edu>, tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>) writes:
>>	I want to know who is "finger"ing me (no jokes please...)
>>and I want it to keep a log.
> 
> AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> From the frequency with which similar questions arise, I would guess
> that no such fingerd has been written, but if you write one, I suggest
> you definitely post it because there seem to be a lot of people who
> would like to have it (I'm not one of them though)
> 
> ----------- The opinions expressed in this article are solely mine. -----------
> <Insert lame attempt at disclaimer humor>
> sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
> "Mahwage.  Mahwage, is what bwings us, too-gethah, too-dahy."

    Believe me its been done. But I know the source of one only for VMS 
systems. Not very useful

Rawn
From: dave@appi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: How advisable is remote administration?
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:42:54 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.

I will soon inherit the administrationship of three SPARC workstations.
Unfortunately, they are in a lab about 10Km from my desk and terminal.

Can anyone forsee problems with administration of a network without going
near it for more than once a month or so?

TIA,
Dave
-----
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University of Tokyo.				dave@windsor.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: CCGREG@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Greg Johnson)
Subject: Re: What is AFS? (as regards Depot)
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:03:45 CDT

In article <Bt72nx.C2q.1@cs.cmu.edu>
ern+@cs.cmu.edu (Rudy Nedved) writes:
>Overall, AFS is a big cost saver if you have significant number of computers
>and are losing lots of man hours to administration. On the other hand, it has
>some other problems when compared to other cross-system file system mechanisms
>like NFS.
 
I'd be interested if anyone can highlight some of these AFS problems.
Of course, with any networked file system there is the dependency on
the net and server(s).  I was wondering what other problems might exist.
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Prevent user from editing /etc/passwd
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:33:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpp386.21390
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug17.131329.22491@cpp.ob.open.de> schweik@cpp.ob.open.de (Martin Schweikert) writes:
>I have a user on my SVR3 machine who knows - and must know :-( - the
>root password.

If you know who it is, turn off their account.  This will give you
the time to figure out how they are doing it later.

>I tried to find a method to prevent him from editing /etc/passwd. It's
>quite difficult.

chmod a-w /etc/passwd

is one way.  But I suspect they have some other mechanism for becoming
root ...
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>)
Subject: Re: Prevent user from editing /etc/passwd
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:58:51 GMT

>In article <1992Aug17.131329.22491@cpp.ob.open.de>
>schweik@cpp.ob.open.de (Martin Schweikert) writes:
>:I have a user on my SVR3 machine who knows - and must know :-( - the
>:root password.
>:I tried to find a method to prevent him from editing /etc/passwd. It's
>:quite difficult.
>This is a social administrative issue, not a technical issue.  If he's
>not supposed to be editing /etc/passwd and he is, talk to him -- get
>his side of the story.  If that fails, talk to his boss.

	I'm in the same boat.  The person must have root priv because
of "network testing" (he knows nothing of unix but my boss says he
must use the machine to configure x-win.)  It -is- a social admin
issue, but I also must do something to protect the integrity of the
machine.  I see some have mentioned pub domain "sudo".  Will this solve
the problem?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: r.evans@cc.ic.ac.uk (Mr   R.H. Evans)
Subject: Re: copying tapes across a network
Reply-To: r.evans@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College Centre for Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:35:41 BST

In article <BsvG29.B4J@cs.dal.ca>, gordon@ug.cs.dal.ca (Scott King) writes:
 -- Is there any way that tapes can be copied over the network (ie copy a tape
 -- in a remote machine`s tape drive to a tape in my own tape drive).  Both
 -- of the machines we want to do this with are sparc2's and have Exabyte Drives.
 -- Any suggestions?
 -- 
 -- - Scott
 -- -- 
 -- Scott King             Geological Survey of Canada - Atlantic Geoscience Centre
 -- king@basmod.bio.ns.ca                 Basin Analysis Subdivision
 -- gordon@ug.cs.dal.ca                Bedford Institute of Oceanography
 --                                      Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

How about something along the lines of:

rsh <remote-machine> 'dd if=/dev/rst0' | dd of=/dev/rst0

Replace the /dev/rst0 entries with those corresponding to the devices you are
using.

This will only work for the first file on the tape. It is possible to copy
subsequent files if the non-rewinding tape device is used and the commands
are repeated, but there is probably a more elegant way.

Robert.
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From: coleman@bldrdoc.gov (Sean Coleman 497-5672 )
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: program to automate the changing of a users alias
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:05:00 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
Originator: coleman@deputy


I am looking for software out on the net that would
allow a user to change their alias in the alias table
automatically or to add their alias. Does anyone know
of such a program?

Thanks

Sean Coleman
NIST
coleman@bldrdoc.gov
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: zrde05@trc.amoco.com (Robert D. Ess)
Subject: Re: LPD network parameters
Reply-To: zrde05@trc.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:22:31 GMT

Try putting mx#0 in the remote entry for the printcap


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From: eoq@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Edward Quillen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Terminal Servers
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:49:17 GMT
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Michigan State Univ.


We're just getting 2 RS/6000 boxes here to run our hospital software and 
need to hook up 1 or 2 terminal servers to it. We were using a VAX with
a DECserver 200 and 550 (using LAT protocal) currently. I am a so-so unix 
administrator and need some info.

The questions are....

If we got different terminal servers with TCP/IP,Telnet and SLIP protocols 
would we need any external software(meaning 3rd party) to communicate with 
the devices? In VMS we needed a LAT console program.

(Rephrase: I know a terminal server with Telnet can be used as a 'terminal'
w/o any external software. What about printers/devices over SLIP??)

If you don't need 3rd party software, how do you do it? (something with
mkdev? )

The terminal server(s) will be attached to a building back-bone (802.3).

What about LAT protocol on UNIX (AIX)?

Cost estimates?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!!!
Thanks for the band-width!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++ ED (Edward Quillen)   (517) 336-1293      +++
+++ Vet Teaching Hosp.  Asst. Manager         +++
+++ Email: quillen@cps.msu.edu                +++
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.210125.9625@csus.edu> tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>) writes:
>	O.K.  I guess I didn't do my research and should have asked a more
>pointed question.  Sorry about that.  I notice that there seems that
>one doesn't exist.  (and running a daemon with RFC 931 is out of the
>question because it assumes that the other side has it too)

I don't see why that makes it be "out of the question".  The RFC931 tcp
wrapper stuff gives you all sorts of useful information, regardless of
whether the "other side" is running authd or not.  Of course, if the
other side _is_ running authd, you get even more useful information.

Either way it's a good idea to install this stuff.  And if you really 
want to insist on knowing who is fingering you, then modify your fingerd
to display the following message upon connection from a site which is
not running authd...

   *** fingerd was unable to authenticate this connection in compliance
   *** with RFC931.  Ask your system administrator to install the RFC931
   *** authd package (available from ftp.uu.net).

Hmmm... I like this idea so much, I think I'm going to do it myself next
time I have a free moment.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: william@stat.lsa.umich.edu (William Pietri)
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Organization: University of Michigan Department of Statistics
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.022526.14014@Princeton.EDU>, spencer@stroke.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.210137.24157@csus.edu>, tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>) writes:
> >	I want to know who is "finger"ing me (no jokes please...)
> >and I want it to keep a log.
> 
> AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> From the frequency with which similar questions arise, I would guess
> that no such fingerd has been written, but if you write one, I suggest
> you definitely post it because there seem to be a lot of people who
> would like to have it (I'm not one of them though)

There's a version of GNU Finger that's been cleaned up by the folks at
ICSI.  (It looks like that it is available at icsi.berkeley.edu in
pub/stolcke/icsi-finger-1.0.11.tar.Z.)  If you tell it to use m4
instead of cpp as the macro processor for plan files, then this plan
should do what you want:

=== begin m4 file ===
# 
divert(10)
define(username,william)
define(tempfile,maketemp(/tmp/username.XXXXX))
define(lockfile,maketemp(/tmp/username.fingerlock))

syscmd(cat lockfile) define(locktestval,sysval())
syscmd(touch lockfile)

syscmd(echo -n "Finger request at " >> tempfile)
syscmd(date >> tempfile)
syscmd(echo -n "on host " >> tempfile)
syscmd(hostname >> tempfile)
syscmd(echo >> tempfile ; echo "Reciprocal request yielded this:" >> tempfile)
syscmd(echo >> tempfile)

ifelse(LOCAL,1,`
  syscmd(/usr/local/bin/finger  >> tempfile)
',`
  ifelse(locktestval,1,`
    syscmd(/usr/local/bin/finger @PEERNAME >> tempfile)
  ',`
    syscmd(echo "Finger already in progress." >> tempfile)
    syscmd(echo "Host PEERNAME not checked." >> tempfile)
  ')
')
syscmd(/usr/ucb/mail -s "+fingered" username < tempfile)
syscmd(rm -f tempfile)
syscmd(rm -f lockfile)
divert(0)sinclude(.realplan)dnl
=== end m4 file ===

This m4 file fingers the site (not the user) from which the finger
request was received and mails the user with the result.  It then shows
the text in the file .realplan to the remote user.  I was worried about
loopback problems from berserk finger servers, so this script creates a
lock file and refuses to finger the remote site if a request for this
user is already in progress.

Even if you have no interest in semi-paranoid scripts like this, I
still encourage you to install ICSI's version of finger at your site;
it knows how to collect information from a group of machines and
display it in a variety of useful ways.  To see what it looks like you
can finger @icsi.berkely.edu (and also try fingering .help@icsi).

William

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