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Date: 13 Nov 92 18:21:35 GMT
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I would certainly hope that the Clinton administration would
consider women as candidates for Secretary of Education! I would
hope that the criterion with the most impact would be that the
most qualified candidates be offered the position. With the large
number of women involved in the educational profession, they
provide an excellent pool of highly qualified candidates.
However, in a previous posting which started this discussion on
who may be the next Secretary of Education, I asked for list
members to give some qualifications they would like to see in the
Secretary. I am tired of the parade of political appointees,
unemployed governors, and charlatans (i.e. Bennet) who have been
or are suggested as candidates. Rather than letting the
politicians set the criteria for this important office, why don't
WE recommend what WE think the Secretary should be. WE are the
specialists who dedicated our lives to this profession of
education so who is better qualified to do this? After we get the
criteria, then we should get a list of candidates and RATE them
against the criteria. This rated list should then be sent to the
President-Elect for consideration. I understand that the medical
associations and the bar associations do this. We are
professionals too so let us provide this service.

John V. Gallagher, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
School of Education and Related Professional Studies
Rowan College of New Jersey
Glassboro, NJ 08028
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Information on an innovative program for beginning teachers is
available from our Beginning Teacher Induction Center run at
Rowan College of New Jersey (formerly Glassboro State College).
You may write to:

Dr. Carl Calliari or Ms. Joan Lake
Beginning Teacher Induction Center
Robinson Building
Rowan College of New Jersey
201 Mullica Hill Road
Glassboro NJ 08028

FAX (609)863-5018
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From:         Jane Clark Lindle <JCLIND00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Election and who will be Clinton's Sec. of Ed.?

Donna Shalala has been Pres. at Wisconsin-Madison for going on five
years now.
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Subject:      Re: Classroom Learning Environments

There is an instrument called the College Classroom Environment Scale.  I'll sen
   d you a copy.  Our College of Education adopted it briefly as the form for
students to use to evaluate courses, but the faculty hated it.  I sort of
like it though.
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 From:Benjamin Milk

 Date:November 10, 1992

 Naomi Collins has asked me to enlist the help of NAFSA'ns in identifying
 individuals who might make good candidates for Clinton Administration
 positions which impact the work of our Association.  If you know of such
 people, please send me two or three names with titles, affiliations,
 addresses, phone numbers, and, if appropriate, one or two sentence
 explanations as to why these individuals would be good for the
 Administration and/or NAFSA.  We are planning to send a short statement
 and some suggested names to the President)elect, possibly on November
 13.  Thanx very much.
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Subject:      Re: Kozol

Kozol spoke at Western Carolina University some months ago to SRO also.  I
did not attend.  The message was bleak.  Several colleagues here at NCCAT
read his book and found it overly anecdotal, lacking analysis.  I have not
read it.  I seem to recall he charges 5K for a talk.  Certainly his message
and field work needs to be discussed, and I need to get around to reading
his book, which is somewhere in the middle of my "To Read" tower!

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Subject:      savage inequalities

I think the most disturbing aspecet of Savage Inequalites was not the horrors
of urban schools; we have almost becvome used to the fact that our cities are
abandoned by the rest of us.  What was most disturbing was the change in
attitude toward the inequalities.  We used to try to justify the inequalities
with myths about ability and interest.  At least we thought justice mattered
enough to pretend that the inqualities were not injustices.  But there is a
difference in Kozol's book that I am not even sure that he realized the
significance of: there is a current of talk that no longer attempts to justify
the disparities beyond saying: We have better schools because we can afford
them.  Period.

I recently saw a cartoon in the newspaper.  Two kids talking.  First kid:
"We fund schools with local property taxes.  So if you live in a rich neighbor-
hood, you go to good schools; and if you live in a poor neighborhood you go to
bad schools.  Isn't that awful?"  Second kid: "That depends - do we live in a
rich neighborhood or a poor one?"

And yes, the book is anecdotal, but if the anecdotes are accurate...


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From: LEVIN@UOFMCC.BITNET (Benjamin Levin U of Manitoba)
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Subject: Inequities
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There seem to be two dimensions to our discussion about inequity and
Kozol's book.  One is moral - what are we learning about ourselves as a
society when we find that some people have so much when others have so
little (put that way it hardly seems a surprising finding, does it?).
The second train is financial - that we need to equalize spending as a
response.  (Incidentally, Canada is not the highest spender internationally
on K-12 education, although we are high, at least as far as can be
discerned given the vagaries of international commparisons).
  Canada does, as Les McLean points out, have much less spending
inequality among districts than does the US, but this hasn't done much
to reduce economic and social inequality.  Indeed, it seems to me that
equal spending follows from a social commitment to equity, rather than
preceding it. To be truly equitable we would have to spend not
equally, but 2 or 3 or 10 times as much per student in inner-city
neighbourhoods given the inequities in the economic and social
circumstances students there face.  I don't see many societies willing
to make that kind of commitment to equity!
  We have known for some time that poverty is a critical factor in
educational success, yet we devote much more attention to changes in
curriculum, or teacher training, or governance than to the underlying
economic and social dynamics.  It's hard to avoid the impression that
we'd rather not deal with real issues, and pretend to be doing something.
  I agree with various commentators that the central issues here are
moral ones.  How strong are the bonds which hold us together?  How much
are we willing to do for others?  As modern societies become increasingly
diverse, these questions will become steadily more important.  RIght now
it's hard to be optimistic about the answers we are giving each other.
  Benjamin Levin, Faculty of Education, University of Manitoba
Sorry - no aphorism.
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From:         gallagherj@SATURN.GLASSBORO.EDU
Subject: Re: listserv@asuacad

For anyone interested in further information on how to get around a listserver
I recommend that they read *Computer Networking for Educational
Researchers on BITNET* by Jean Pierce, Gene Glass, and Joseph Byers in
EDUCATIONAL RESEARCHER, Vol 20, No 1, January/February 1991, pp 21-23.

John V. Gallagher
School of Education and Related Professional Studies
Rowan College of New Jersey
Glassboro NJ 08028-1701
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From:         RSN@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject: Re: Election and who will be Clinton's Sec. of Ed.?

The rumor mills are endless where potential appointees are
concerned.  Nevertheless, it is probably the most engaged-in
enterprise right now, just behind finding a good realtor who
can sell your house for you...
Other names that have come up recently (don't shoot me if I
don't have their current institutions right; I didn't stop to
do the research before I logged on...) are Mike Smith, Dean at
Stanford and perennial Democrat-in-residence at ED (for Sect.)
and Mike Cohen (formerly of NIE and NASBE) for OERI.
Somehow, I don't expect to see all the same faces that were
around 12 years ago, so--based on no concrete evidence--I'm
discounting somewhat the re-appointment of people who were in
Carter's administration.  We'll soon see.
Bob Stonehill
Director, ERIC Program
U.S. Dept. of Education
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From:         BILL HUNTER <STED8013@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Subject:      Re: Election and who will be Clinton's Sec. of Ed.?

John Gallagher asks if educators should put forward a list of potential
Secs. of Education.  I'm a fur'nr, but it makes sense to me and I hope
someone will include our moderator on the list.

bill hunter
The Great White North
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From:         bob stout <AORXS@ASUACAD.BITNET>

In arizona three referenda of interest to educators were up.

1.  provided for school districts to increase spending caps
    from 15% to 20% of current expenditures via tax override
    elections.  overrides will continue to be limited to 15%.

2.  requires legislature to muster a 2/3 vote to increase
    any state taxes.  this passed.

3.  MLK holiday instituted.

Robert T. Stout, Arizona State University
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Reply to Don Hayes*   Your idea sounds o.k. to me, but like Geo. Bush I've
been out of the loop (retired) for over three years.  Who are the transition
team members who might be most concerned about Education?  If their names
appeared on the listing (EDPOLYAN) some of the contributors would surely
know them. Eh?    Harold Mitzel (HM3@PSUVM)
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From:         Bennett Copeland <AGBSC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Savage Inequalities

The inequities discussed by Kozol should perhaps come as no surprise, given the
fact that there seems to be an ever-widening gap between the haves and have-
notsin our society.  If we're going to have two systems of justice and health
care, then why not two disparate systems of education?  It would seem to fit
the current trend toward the old system of two classes, the rich and the poor.
And if we truly still believe that education is the route for the poor and the
middle class to move up, why are we willing as individuals and as a society to
allow the rules of the educational system to work against this premise by
perpetuating the poor school/rich school syndrome?  While I assume that Gene's
suggestion on "hostage-taking" was made somewhat tongue-in-cheek, if we are
going to speculate on ways to improve the educational system in such a way, why
not simply forbid unequal schools from existing?  Or would that cost too much,
both in terms of money and in what society really believes?

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See the Kozol article, based on his answer to a question about choice at a
talk at UT-Knoxville, in the latest issue of EDUCATIONAL LEADERSHIP, just
out.  Ben Levin and John Covaleskie, thanks for your insights.

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From:         JFCOVALE@SUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Kozol's Komplaints

For an alternative view of the situation in East Harlem (and I do not know
about the reality to judge its validity) you might take a look at David
Kirp's "What school choic e really means" in the November 1992 Atlantic
Monthly.  Basically, he is suggesting that the increases in the scores came at
a time when the norms were out of date, and everyone's scores were rising, that
a lot of the improvement came from the outsiders who were imnported into the
schools, and that there are, in effect, two school systems in East Harlem.
He certainly does not deny the good that Alverado and company worked there,
but he does suggest that there is a certain amount of hype.
Anyone know anything first-hand???


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From:         Gene Glass <ATGVG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Savage Inequalities

On Mon, 2 Nov 1992 22:13:39 EST <JFCOVALE@SUVM> said:
>Have others read Kozol's _Savage Inequalities_?  What education policies
>might be considered that would address the situation described?

    About ten days ago, John Covaleskie asked for some discussion here of
 Kozol's Savage Inequalities, and no one has followed up on his suggestion,
 I hope that we can satisfy his request and get soem discussion started.
 I recall hearing Kozol speak at the University of Colorado around 1970--
 perhaps earlier--when he came thru town on a book tour shortly after the
 publication of his first big book: the title might have been "Death at an
 Early Age."  He impressed me as being a morbid bleeding heart, but in
 retrospect, I think he may have been seeing the future and I was having
 trouble even getting a clear view of the present. Kozol appeared on a panel
 on television recently (a symposium on race on PBS at which many prominent
 persons spoke) and I found him to be even more eloquent in his descriptions
 of the miserable state of our nation's urban schools; but he was still
 depressed and utterly pessimistic about changing them. He may well be right.

      The inequality in our public schools is an important topic these days,
 since Jan 8th will see the inauguration of a President who has at least
 said that he wishes to address the problem (and yet he frequently refers to
 public school choice as a solution). Today's newspaper carries a coy little
 article on how the Washington D.C. private schools are jockeying for
 position in the contest to enroll Chelsea Clinton; the Gore children already
 attend private schools in D.C.

      Here is an hypothesis: the only way of equalizing educational opportunity
 in this nation's public schools is to hold rich children hostage in poor
 schools. Concerned parents will insure that those schools will be safe, well
 funded and wholesome places fro young people. Forced desegregation along
 ethnic and wealth lines. ANd if this is the only way to equalize our public
 schools, is there any hope?

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Regarding possible Secretaries of Education--
Here are the names that have been circulated in Washington.  Of
course, NOTHING is beyond the rumor stage.  Possibilities
include:  Donna Shalala (Hunter College, NYC), John Brademas
(former IN Congressman), Tom Kean (former Gov., NJ, and a
Republican), the President of the University of Wisconsin
(I'm not sure who that is), and--as GVG already alluded--
Roy Romer, CO Governor and former chair of the National
Education Goals Panel.  If none of these people are actually
selected, no one will be surprised...
Bob Stonehill
Director, ERIC Program
U.S. Department of Education
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Subject:      Re: Savage Inequalities

I recently heard Kozol speak here in WV.  His message is simple:  better
funding counts.  He has another message:  double teacher salaries for the
long term, not just experimentally.  School funding based on property taxes--
even in states (as ours) where state aid is substantial--breeds the inequali-
ties that lead some to conclude that rich kids ought to attend poor schools.
Kern Alexander has a rather interesting modest proposal in the most recent
issue of the Journal of Ed Finance, in which he proposes a stronger federal
role for funding basic education.  And he also attacks the long-standing
tradition of NOT construing education as a "fundamental right."  In this
context, it's particularly distressing to learn that both candidate Bush
and president-elect Clinton contemplate only very modest cuts in support
for the military.  If schooling is, indeed, such a pressing issue of
national priority, surely, as in Alexander and Kozol's case, discussion
ought to reach further than systemic reform, curriculum standards, etc.,
etc. to questions of the adequacy and equity of educational funding.  Ed
finance types tend to note that the latter depends on the former!
My views are my own, in case the obvious needs to be made explicit.  (Thanks,
Mike Wrona.)



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