HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:28:52 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <62878@cup.portal.com> Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:
:Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
:Usenet.  This service is open to ALL sexual preferences.  
:Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an interest so far.  

look, dickhead, this is soc.bi so we *don't care*  what the mixture
of sexes is.  Also, who the hell wants to meet people they've never
spoken to over the net?  People are pairing off all the time via the
nets, because you get to know if you'll like someone by reading their
postings for ages, not by filling out some dumb questionaire.

G
From: vaughan4955@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Is there anybody out there?
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:24:29 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

As I am totally new to this newsgroup, I haven't read all that much
from here so I have to be ignorant and ask:  is there anyone out there
from the Midwest area?  I am from Iowa (not Idaho, Iowa) where being
bi is unheard of (even though *I* am bi).  I had relationships with
women throughout high school and a few years into college before I
realized that my feelings for men weren't just fantasies to be straight.

I just started to read this newsgroup today, and, unfortunately, I
started from the least recent and haven't gotten far enough to know
the answer to the question above.  Therefore, if anyone out there *is*
from the Midwest, I would LOVE to hear from you.  Otherwise, I guess I
can handle hearing from others like myself who do not live around me.
Either way, I could use a boost from others who are not welcome as bi,
or from those who know how to beat the hatred others dish out.

Also (not to sound like I'm running off at the fingers), if anyone
out there can help me to explain to my parents that bisexual people
are not mentally ill, cross-dressers who can't figure out *what* 
they are, that would be helpful.  I've tried the Kinsey Scale approach,
and they still believe you are either heterosexual or homosexual, no
in-between.  (By the way, they *are* in support of homosexuals, just not
bisexuals.) :{

Deborah
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This message was posted by a sexually UNCONFUSED person.
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:28:19 GMT

In article <asuccop.712306808@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>
>	i don't mind het men being turned on by two women; what i don't
>	like is when they're obnoxious (esp to *me*) about it.

I was thinking about this, and I think the thing that is most irksome is that
their is no compassion towards the specific women or bisexuality.  Not that
they are obnoxious per se (if they are simply inquiring about sex, and not
pushing the point home) but that they are giving one a good understanding of
why people use terms like 'fucking clueless'.

In other words, these people aren't stopping to consider the human emotions
involved and the inherent worth of the human they are trying to put on the
other end of that transaction.

Others, I'm sure, are just plain assholes.  But these types seem to crop up
in all aspects of human endeavour.

>	annemarie
>	asuccop@u.washington.edu


Brad
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Touching and the Party
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:28:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul22.232820.20709
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <1992Jul22.161507.4213@midway.uchicago.edu> grendel@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Cliff Winnig) writes:
>Albert Lunde writes
>> UCBU may not generally go as far as the Edin<mumble> party, but we
>> have come close at times (I'm curious to hear orc's comparison.)

>I feel compelled (probably by some Freudian neurosis) to point out that
>the times Albert is referring to are not "official" UCBU [U. of Chicago
>Bisexual Union] events, but a private parties to which all of UCBU, as
>well as other folks, were invited.
>
>For those folks lucky enough to come bi and make it to a UCBU meeting
>(we meet almost every Thursday night on campus), you'll find a safe
>space as well as a bi space.  And lots of friendly folks, of course.  :)

I was not making this distinction -- but it is a point well taken --
(I was fuzzing over the details thinking most of my audience is
far away).

>> Generally UCBU folk seem fairly free with hugs and other light touch.
>
>For platonic hugs, yes, I'd say that's true about most of us.
>
>> My initial reaction to coming to UCBU were "hugging this group is more
>> definite than dating some people"
>
>I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this.  Hurm.  Could you clarify?

What you might call "platonic" other people might regard as intimate.

(Perhaps I am retorically overstating things a bit, but this phrase
came to my mind.)  

Not that I'm opposed to the practice -- I'm a big fan of hugs, (and can 
go on about the topic at great length.)  

My immediate standard of comparison for hugs would be my church or 
office, where there are also people I hug on a frequent basis. Some
people like more body contact than others, even when it is not
overtly sexual.
 
You-all should not read too much in to my generalizations -- Your
Milage May Vary ;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: jakec@cyst.watson.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:48:08 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

*SEPARATES*
*SEPARATES*

joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis):
> *PRIVILEGE*
> *PRIVILEGE*
> 
>>seperates us.  I get white priviledge, that seperates me from queer people
>                             privilege                         
  separates                                   separates
>>of color.  You acknowledged the difference in the creation of soc.bi.
>>So why no complain about the reality of the difference?
>>
>>Let me repeat myself: Bis get strayt priviledge.  It doesn't matter that
>                                       privilege
>  etc.

etc.

[tee hee... -- do you yield yet, ry?  or, do i have to play
"top gun" with my "big gun"? :-]
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Orgy on a cross
X-Flot-Content: very high
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:27:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.130433.25431@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
|Ciaran writes:
|>Brad writes:
|>>Damn, and I was hoping for heretic visionary status at least.  Now it looks
|>>like the cross I was to be martyred on is already occupied.
|>Ah, come up and join us on the cross, anyway. If we get a few more then
|>we can start an orgy.
|
|I was asked in email how one goes about having an orgy on a cross.
|Here's the answer.
|
|[Amusing description deleted]
|
|It really is a once in a lifetime experience. For the manly hot stud,
|anyway.

    So Edin<mumble> was merely an (un)dress rehearsal?

                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@vpnet.chi.il.us
From: kinomon@glia.biostr.washington.edu (WhiteFire)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:50:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.kinomon.712165833
Organization: University of Washington

In <2a700317@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:

>   "Bisexuals are all Really Gay/Lesbian, they're just
>   frightened to admit it"

I have actualy run into this RL with my mother and sister, who, I
very much suspect, think I am Gay and are trying to convince me
its ok just to me that way.

I have a female lover of two and a half years now wich they have
treated so so, but they have gone out of their way to be very 
accepting of my last male lover. Realy bizare.

Another episode in the life of a BI I suppose. :)
From: grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh soc.bi party
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:27:10 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) wrote...
> > pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> >>We need more floor shows...
> >Don't we always? & people didn't take advantage of the one in Peter's room...
> I can think of at least three different ways to interpret that sentence.
> 
> Ellen

Only three, lass? You must need a rest and a vacation!

Grant
From: grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Invisibility
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:56:21 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal) writes:
> In article <17119@autodesk.COM> grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth) writes:
> >Grant, who has decided to resume posting to soc.bi. :-)
> 
> Now I wonder *why*...??? :-)))))))
> 
> Have a transitive *HuG* from across the water...
> 
> G

Gyan...get your filthy mind out of the gutter!
(There's only room for one and I got there first! :-)  )

**HUG** back.
As for why? Because I decided to (figuratively ) tell my manager
(First Comrade Tractor-Driver on Smerdlosky Co-operative Prison-Farm #23)
to bugger off, and so I am not quite so paranoid about her checking up on me.
Also, cause I was bored, and cause I missed you, and besides, I heard about 
this absolutely FAB party, and was crushed that I couldn't go.... :-)
(I do miss the "auld sod"..both in Canada and Ayr.)
 
Grant.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Lycra (was Re: Edinburgh soc.bi party)
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:50:23 GMT

In <23972@castle.ed.ac.uk> Sara The Swamp Thing writes:
> aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham) writes:
>  
> >You ought to see Kay with his new haircut! Come to that, you ought to
> >have seen him with added cheese!
> 
> Which brings us to post-party quote/potential entry to bisexual
> dictionary - Dekker definition of "nice": Half naked and covered with
> cheese.

Well, of course Kay himself knows already that his last name means
"someone who covers things" (or even, if you'd like, who puts things on
top of other things). Therefore, his tastes suit his name excellently.

-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/  I survived Dave's party for 7 days and all I got was this lousy .sig!
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9903 soc.motss:33128
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Jul30.152914.18238
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Jul30.144108.26204@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>Everyone's got an agenda, sweetheart.  What the fuck's yours?

Soc.motss from 9 to 10, coffee served
phone messages and call backs from 10 to 11:30
Lunch 11:30 to noon
Bridge noon to 1:00
Unstructured work time 1:00 to 6:00
Home 6:00 until

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: G/L/B TV characters
From: witbrock@otago.ac.nz
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:28:10 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

I cant get follow to work so the header is new...

TV characters?
There was a gay couple on a recent episode of Taggart, title
"death comes softly". Treated well, not as an issue, but as an
ordinary situation. About time really.
(The topic of the film is older people getting killed - I wont say who did 
or didnt do it)

Ann
-- 
Ann Witbrock                       |   o/                   \{o}
witbrock@otago.ac.nz               |  /X \o/  ==========>>>   Y\
(New Zealand, southern hemisphere) |   H  H                   H

Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:20:20 GMT

In <1992Jul28.020745.18413@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>Ciaran, dearest, The issue is real, the presentation I read as a whine.

In reading your article I thought that you were dismissing the issue. I
am glad to see that you were not. As for whether its presentation was a
whine or not, I guess that's something we'll have to agree to disagree
about.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: Marraige and Segregation
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:12:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.135202.21473@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
>
>Just a little note that I thought might interest Julie and others that feel
>that marriage is based on a heterosexual model of the family.  Currently in
>Canada, the government or courts (can't remember which) is seriously looking
>at making same sex marriages possible.  Most churches will probably stay
>away from (except the United Church of Canada which does not condemn homo-
>sexuality), but the JP's will be able to perform the ceremony.  One can only
>hope that those in power are wise enough to follow through on this.

Can you even remember a foggy reference that would help me to look this up?
Like, if it is the courts, the level and if apropos province of the court; and
if in gov't the MP who introduced the proposal?

Posting to newsgroup in case there is someone besides Brad who can confirm
and expand on this.

>Ciao,
>
>  Brad Booth                |  


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: revanbus@eos.ncsu.edu (RONALD E VAN-BUSKIRK)
Subject: hmmm...ANOTHER test...
Originator: revanbus@c00088-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: revanbus@eos.ncsu.edu (RONALD E VAN-BUSKIRK)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:08:51 GMT


test...please ignore...

ok...where's the .sig?
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:12:48 GMT

In <1992Jul27.140514.16904@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>Brad,
>
>Why didn't you just say "WHINE!" and save a whole bunch of lines? Poor
>baby, if us queers don't accept you Het marriage priviledge and all,
>you'll just go off and call yourself Bisexual!  Oh gosh, I'm so hurt!
>Get over yourself! If steve's comment pissed you off then flame him
>rather than whining to all of us!

Ry,

If your *BIG* *RED* *PUMPS* are causing you pain then why don't you take
them off and relax your feet rather than post crap to the net.

Once of the most frequently discussed issues on soc.bi is interaction
between the emerging bi community and the existing GL communities. It
is a topic which comes up, in one form or another, every month or two.
It is an important issue for many of us. If it is of no concern to you
then I suggest you use a kill file rather than publically dismiss it
out of hand as self-indulgent whining.


<> You must be able to grasp a point before you can make
<> one. --- Clay Bond (bondc@spdcc.com)

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series: THE LIST
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:47:38 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <24181@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
writes:

>My view is that Jimmy Perry and David Croft
>sitcoms are *so* blatant in their use of stereotypes and innuendo that
>they elevate the funny-form to a higher plane.  The "so bad it's good"
>syndrome, if you will.  A form much exploited by the Carry On movies of
>the 60s and 70s also, often to hilarious effect.  But then I'm an unPC
>tasteless git.

I saw the trailer for the new film "Carry on Columbus" on Saturday
evening when I went to see Batman Returns (Miaow). They certainly seem
to have caught the style in the clips they showed. I'll probably go
and see the film.

Owen (desperately waiting for Alien 3 and Star Wars 7)

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
From: orc@delta9.turing.ac.uk (david parsons)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party  was  Re: Judes de-muffins...
Date: 17 Jul 92 01:34:00 GMT
Organization: Trainspotters-R-Us

In article <iw.711235394@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
>sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>>Sample any good muffins at the party Peter?
>Drat ... I knew it!  We are just going to hear all this cheap sexual
>innuendo and none of you are going to tell us what  really happened!

   Well, there's a small matter of getting permission to tell all, you
know; I, at least, would like to get to know at least some of the people
at the party a *lot* better at some time in the future ;-)

   And, anyway, I found I missed a lot of the interesting stuff; I spent
far too much time necking with the delectable Don Hopkins(*) to notice much
else.  I do recall a fair amount of people vanishing(**), and a bottle of
God's Own Scotch being passed around by the impossible to overrate Mike Lloyd,
and the (shudder) sun coming up after the tangle in the hall(%) disentangled,
but there are these distressing hour-long gaps in my memory of the event
that I can't fill with anything but unfounded rumor.
                __
  david parsons \/ "No credibility.  None."

(*) and a fair number of other people, to be honest.  There are a few that
    I didn't actually give enough attention to (and you know who you are!)
    but I hope I made up for it on Tuesday night.

(**)No.  I'm not even gonna *think* of mentioning names.  Some of them know
    my e-mail address.

(%) This was the second-stage tangle; the one I was involved in. And all
    the rumors are true.
From: aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:39:52 GMT
	<1992Jul22.211837.11657@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: Computer Science, University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Jul22.211837.11657@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

   >Ellen getting head/hair stroked by Angela and Tanaqui (a
   >very effective trap indeed.)

   Ooooh, Ang, we've been bad. What d'you think Ellen'll do to us? 
   <quiver, quiver>

Well you know a lot better than me, my dear. Tell you what, you can
relax me before my interview by demonstrating your supposition of what
she might do ;-)

Ang (donations for air fare to USA to address below)

--
Angela Gilham.                 \ aag@aber.ac.uk \ "You should have fallen in
Department of Computer Science  \                \ love with a happy man, if 
University of Wales, Aberystwyth,\ +44 970 622433 \ you wanted happiness. But
Penglais, Aberystwyth,            \                \ you fell for the breath-
SY23 3BZ. United Kingdom.          \                \ taking beauty of pain."
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:11:37 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:
>dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>> In the brief reading I put in on the subject this term (the
>> University Library is sadly lacking in this subject) it seems that
>> both male and female bisexuals form stronger emotional bonds with
>> other females.

I nearly followed-up to this yesterday, to ask: what, all of us?

>This isn't just true of bisexuals, though.  Both males and females in
>the general population generally form stronger emotional bonds with
>females than with males.  If a person has a close friend or best
>friend, that friend is more likely to be female than male.

I wish people would quote sources when making enormous generalisations
like this.

I can't speak for the "general population" of the world, but in northern
England at least, most (ie het) men have a "best mate" who is a man, and
is usually a closer friend than any woman.

Of all my male friends, only the gay (or high-end Kinsey scale) ones have
close women friends.


<> All generalizations are dangerous - including this one.
<> --Alexandre Dumas

/jon
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Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: elliott@a8.ima.umn.edu (Frank Elliott)
Subject: Is it snowing where you are?
Organization: ima
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:48:17 GMT

Reprinted without permission from "New York Native"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Goldwater, APS Head Urge Passing of Gay Rights Ordinance

PHOENIX(July 8)- Former Sen. Barry Goldwater- the bastion of political
conservatism - urged the Cith Council to pass a measure that would ban
discrimination in the workplace against homosexuals.

"Under our Constitution, we literally have the right to do anything we
may want to do, as long as the performing of those acts does not cause
damage or hurt," the Arizona Republican said at a news conference
Tuesday.

"I can't see any way in the world that being gay can cause damage to
anybody else," the conservative said.

     ...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I wonder what Jess Anderson will make of this?


Frank

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  Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice...
  
   -  Barry Goldwater
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: ailsa's post
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:28:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.asuccop.711764926
Organization: University of Washington


	ailsa, i've been spelling your name wrong; no wonder i had so
	much trouble mailing you.  as someone else w/an often difficult to
	spell & pronounce name, i apologize.  hell, even if my name were
	jane smith, i'd apologize :).

	surely *some7 other women, even in explicitly exclusively lesbian
	only space have had feelings for men.  sometimes it's not clear to
	me, as an actively bisexual woman, when i am & am not welcome in
	women's space; often my own discomfort is enough to keep me away.
	is having *one* crush enough to invalidate you from women's space?
	you talk in soc.motss about your frustrations at not being accepted 
	as a mother; at times like this i think i'd feel more frustrated
	w/a restrictive community than w/my own feelings.

	having an unwanted crush (unwanted for *any* reason) can really
	suck.

	good luck w/working thru frustrations/issues around this.

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu