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From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: Re: DXers
Keywords: rude? never!
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:07:41 GMT

oo7@ut-emx.uucp (Derek Wills) writes:

>I would love to see a band plan that restricted same-continent QSOs to
>one section of the band, leaving another part for intercontinental QSOs.
>I'm not optimistic that it would ever work, of course.

*My* idea is to set aside a part of the band (top of each band, perhaps)
where QSOs for DXCC and other major awards WOULD NOT COUNT. This would
leave the area free for folks who want to make DX contacts to TALK, as
opposed to add another endorsement to the awards on their walls.

The plan Derek mentions isn't really practical because of changing
propagation. What are you supposed to do when it's not open across
continents -- just leave huge swaths of the band empty? I agree, though,
it would be considerate of people who are having QSOs they could make
virtually any day and any time (say, with friends 200 miles away), to
consider voluntarily making way for other folks who can only have their
long-range QSOs 1 or 2 hours a day, and NOT every day (depending on
flux, solar activity, etc.)

But, as folks have mentioned before, you can't legislate common
courtesy or common sense -- both of which are not all that common.

>Anyway, the Real DX is done on cw, so nyah nyah.

No comment. :-)

73, Sharon KC1YR

-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
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From: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Not quite a ham question -- Kids Walkie-talkies
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:39:54 GMT
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu

From article <1992Dec15.204227.7792@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, by rrbk50@email.sps.mot.com (Rick Cottle):
> I know this is a tangential subject, but I figured if anyone would have the
> answer, this group would.
> 
> I have recently bought my 6 year-old (currently learning morse towards a novice license) 
> his second set of walkie-talkies.  It is frustrating because they all seem to now have
> such low power that they are totally ineffective from one end of the house to the other.
> I remember when I was a kid, they used to be useful between our's and our neighbor's 
> houses.
> 

   Just as a side note - I remember about 20 years ago when it used to be
 pretty common for the 100mw cheap walkie talkies to be on the CB band.
 On Christmas morning, you'd hear some of the most amazing stuff.  It normally
 lasted a couple of days until the batteries ran down :-)

- Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | WB5KXH | fax:602 523 2300
From: chuck@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Charles Rissmeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Insurance
Keywords: insurance
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:32:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: StPaul

>>I have now received several items about this ARRL insurance. At $1.50 per $100,
>>$50 deductible, and coverage for items stolen from your car, it seems on the
>>surface like it might be a wise investment (especially in LA). Does anyone have
>>any experience with this insurance? I would appreciate your comments.

>Yes, the first two radios were covered by the insurance, with no problems.
>His wife felt stupid about radio #3, but was convinced to submit a form
>to the insurance co.  Radio was replaced, even considering the circum-
>stances.  See if your homeowner's insurance will do that!


I'm looking in my insurance rate manual right now for Homeowners insurance
in Minnesota.
American Family Insurance charges $1 per $100 of equipment value with a
$50 deductible.  This coverage is all peril and will cover HTs stolen
out of your car.  I don't know about other insurance companies, but I'm
sure they charge about the same.  The ARRL insurance is about 50% higher
than what you can get via your homeowner's insurance provider.



Charles (Chuck) Rissmeyer    KE0VG
(612) 638-7669  (VP 652-7669) -  charles.rissmeyer@StPaul.NCR.COM
NCR - An AT&T Company             NCR  CCS-PM&S NPD St. Paul
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Morse code upgrading
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:51:58 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Unlike the written tests its the fastest code test that  you can pass 
that counts.

So if you can copy code at 20wpm need only take 1c. If you can only 
write out the dits and dahs and then manually translate them (the 
guaranteed method for 5wpm!!!) then take 1a and work on your code 
speed. You only ever need take 1c if your good enough.

In general try every test. Most VEs run the tests from fastest to 
slowest "just in case" a potential candiate  can pass the faster speed test.

When I passed my 1a my intention was to take the written exams  for a 
nocode tech only, but the VE convinced me that if I new a little code I 
had nothing to loose if I tried the 5wpm test. He was right, the copy 
was awful, but I got enough of the right parts to get 7 out of 10 questions!

Working on 13wpm again (with 20wpm chars to stop me dit counting!). Its 
suprising how little you forget when you lay off for a while.

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Halogen Lamp/Dimmer causes interference Help!
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:00:24 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Simon Woodworth says you cannot use zero crossing dimmer controllers 
with halogon (and therefore) any other incandecent lights because of 
flicker. This is not true.

The trick is all in the controller. One thing to do is not switch whole 
cycles, but half cycles (use the zero crossings). So this ups the 
sample rate to 120Hz in Region 2 and 100Hz in region 1 (!). You won't 
see flicker from this.

The second trick (which is implemented in some controllers) is not to 
switch the power off for large blocks of time, but to maximinse the 
frequency of the on/off cycles supplied to the bulb. This way you can 
take the bulb down to 1/4 the time power is applied before flicker 
would become apparent on a fast reacting bulb. Incandescent filaments 
also have some thermal lag so you can push it a bit lower than this.

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Why no CHeap TNC's? (Was: Help Jeff (was Overpriced TNC's))
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:09:10 GMT

hart@madhatter (James A. Hart) writes:
>megabyte@chinet.chi.il.us (Dr. Megabyte) writes:
>: 
><deleted>
>: The bottom line, I think a simple 1200 baud TNC _could_ be made for about
>: $75.00 retail.  Question is: Would hams pay $75.00 for a simple TNC when
>: for $120.00 they can have a "delux" TNC with flashing led's, a simple
>: PBBS, a mailbox, and RAM?
><deleted>
>--
If you really want to go the cheap route, there are inexpensive kits as add-ons
for the C-64 and PC, which rely on software for some of the work.  I don't
think many people would purchase a $ 75 receive-only TNC with limited
capabilities when for $ 50 more he could purchase a fully-functional one.
Most people would probably opt for a second-hand model if price were
that critical an issue.  Very cheap kits have been available from
Ramsey, et. al. for some time, but they don't appear to be very good.

>YES!  Especially those of us interested in listening to packet, rtty, amtor,
>wefax, etc. and whatever,  but not especially desireous of transmitting
>(yet!).
*----
That's nice, but you've just added substantially to the cost if you
want packet, rtty, amtor, and wefax in a generic, multi-platform
package.  I thought you were responding because you're cheap!
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: lkay@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (leonard kay)
Subject: Re: QSL practices F6FNU, FR5DX
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:44:00 GMT

In article <1619@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, 
tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton) writes:

> Would all you netters who have any experience (good or bad)
> getting QSLs from FR5DX or stations managed by F6FNU please
> forward to me.  Many of the local packet users and DX'ers
> have complained vehemently about F6FNU and FR5DX.  This is not
> a flame, just a survey.  As a baseline, we all need to remember
> that overseas postage to USA is very expensive and a *green
> stamp* probably does not cut it anymore.
> Thanks in advance for any info. 73, Tom WB4IUX
> ps:  I got my cards from FR5DX (80 - 10 meters), but I had to send
> 5 green stamps .... and I got the card back promptly thru the buro!
> 

I've had similar experiences, I wouldn't call them bad. I have
sent cards to stations managed by F6FNU and they usually come back 
thru the bureau. I used to be puzzled by this until I sent a
card (for a /TF, I believe) to a DL manager with one greenstamp 
and it came back as an airmail *postcard*, with a nice note 
explaining that $1 does not cover airmail letter from DL to USA.

It is very true that $1 doesn't cut it anymore.

I send out a lot of foreign managers cards with mint stamps.
The savings are significant, and you can tell real quick
who's pilfering, because then the QSL comes back without
your stamps on it :-) !!! I keep a supply of French and 
German stamps on hand. I can provide info on my supplier
if netters want.

73 & gud QSLing,

Len

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From: heacock@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Doug Heacock)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need help w/ARRL HB gel-cell charger problem
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:55:22 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Computing Services

I recently built the gel-cell/charger project from the 1991 ARRL
Handbook (from chapter 27), to go with a couple of gel cells I bought
at a hamfest a few months ago.  The cells specified in the project are
6-volt 4Ah units--mine are 6-volt 5Ah units.  My cells were new when I
bought them (as nearly as I can tell), but the measured voltage of
each was less than one volt when I purchased them--I'm not sure if
this figures into the problem I'm having or not.

I built the charger, tested it, found that I couldn't get the output
voltage to the specified value, also blew a fuse.  I rebuilt the thing
(I had installed the wrong value resistor at one point), retested it,
recalibrated it, and got the output voltage exactly right.  I hooked
up the batteries, let it charge for about eight hours, and found that
the cells had only charged to about 2 volts--in fact, while I watched,
the voltage on the cells dropped about .01 v/sec.

I had built the circuit to deliver about 0.7A charging current to the
cells.  I put an ammeter between the cell and the output jack and
found that it was only producing about 0.3 *mA* of current while
charging.  I took it apart, checked the circuit again, found no
errors.  All devices appeared to be operating properly, voltages
appeared to be correct everywhere.

I know next to nothing about gel-cell batteries--can I assume that my
batteries are bad, or is there an error in the circuit design of which
I am unaware?  Is there anyone out there who has built this circuit,
or who has some experience with charging gel-cells who can recommend a
next step for testing or debugging this problem?

Thanks in advance, and 73 de n0nzq
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From: laborde@oak.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Gregory R. LaBorde)
Subject: Re: Is the ICOMR1 a good receiver
Organization: Reliability Engineering Section, JPL
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:37:50 GMT
Expires: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.020527.976@panix.com> schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes:
>
>Bill Cheek (of scanner modification fame) did a lengthy analysis of the R1
>before deciding he wasn't going to try upgrading it.
>

Yes, I remember reading about in his "World Scanner Report" magazine. Without
going to get it, I seem to recall that the main problem was how jam-packed full
of compnents the R-1 is. Certainly it has more in it than my 3-SAT, built on
the same chassis. 

Was the mod worth it? I seem to remember that this was the one that was done in
the UK and cost several hundred dollars. I feel like the lack of good "scanner"
features would still make the R-1 less useful than, say, a PRO-43, even with a
better front end. As I said, I tend to use it as a dedicated receiver to monitor
certain frequencies and save the batteries in my ham gear. 

-Greg.


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jtg0707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jui Tien)
Subject: NASA SELECT
Summary: frequency for NASA SELECT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:26:54 GMT
Keywords: nasa

Does anyone out there know what the NASA SELECT frquency is?
Is that frequency regional dependent?
Someone told me once it is suppose to be somewhere on 70cm?
Thanks in advance.
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3rd party and reciprocal license agreements with Bangladesh?
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

In article <r241Hq#?ab@atlantis.psu.edu> holman@pop.psu.edu (Darryl J. Holman)
writes:
>I am moving to Bangladesh later this month and I will live there for
>about a year.  I am interested in information on any third party
>agreement with the US and whether I could operate from there.
>Unfortunately, graduate school has left me rather out of touch with
>these issues and ham radio, in general.  
>
>73, Darryl Holman, WB9TCY
>    holman@darwin.psu.edu

The government of Bangladesh has recently allowed amateur radio
activity.  Eric is active as S21ZC (home call WZ6C I think?) and
the head of the Bangladesh PTT is S21A I believe.  Due to the efforts
of INDEXA, Jim VK9NS, et al the task may be actually possible.
Good luck and please listen for us suffering east coasters!
73, tom WB4IUX

--
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Phonetics needed for N9LEA
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:40:04 -0600
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/846-3177, 9600-300
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Howdy!


In <1gocfnINNfo@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:


%  I have thought of no good phonetics for N9LEA!  Any help would be appreciated.

% Jason Hanson         |   915 W. Wisconsin Ave #1010   |     (414) 288-2179
% Marquette University |   Milwaukee, WI 53233-2373     |     Ham Radio: N9LEA/AA
% --  jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu       ==+==       n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na  --

        How about..."November Nine Leave Everything Alone"??? ;-)

        73!

        T. Keller
        
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From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yeasu FT-901 Info needed
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 23:17:15 PST
Organization: Hale Telecommunications Inc.

 
I'm being offered a 901 unit in trade for some of my goodies,
only lacking the power cord.

The unit has a heavy transformer so I'm assuming the power supply is on 
board (I havn't seen it yet, will tomarrow AM), is this correct?

Does anyone have the pinouts for the power plug?  

He mentioned it uses both 12 and 120 Volts.

Thanks in advance.  Please reply via email, I don't get enough
time to follow the group as close as I would like.
From: jhigbee@icarus.weber.EDU (Jonathan C. Higbee)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Military method for CW proficiency and learning???
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:58:51 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu



I've received several replies about increasing CW proficiency and
am now curious to learn how the US military currently teaches
communications officers CW and how they have them increase their
receiving speed.

Most methods I've heard of have you spend about 20-30 minutes a
day at it. I would imagine that the military has their people
train for hours a day?

RSVP

Jon Higbee N7HGM

jhigbee@icarus.weber.edu
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From: feit@ERA.COM (Mark Feit)
Subject: Re: License delays
Organization: Engineering Research Associates, Vienna, VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:04:43 GMT

On rec.radio.amateur.misc, domae@snow.nrtc.northrop.com (Terry Domae) posts:
 > 
 > The only problem I see is that the FCC would have no way of knowing who
 > a /KN call would be - no data online at the FCC.  So I'm sure the FCC
 > would want the VECs to submit digital data, or have that data accessible
 > to the FCC within a certain time period (Maybe like a week).

Here's an even better idea: An electronic 610.  I'd be willing to bet
that if the FCC had a way to accept batches of applications on a
lowest-common-denominator format floppy (5.25" DD, maybe?) the license
delays would drop down to nearly nothing.  To keep the commission
happy, VEs would submit a batch of paper 610s with the disk and an
accompanying (signed) statement that what's on the floppy matches
what's on the 610s.  Then all the FCC would need to do is load up the
new licencees and print tickets every Tuesday.  I'd certainly be
willing to cough up an extra buck on the exam fee to cover the disk
and mailing.

To make life easier for the VEs, a public-domain program could be
developed that allows the examiners to enter 610s, review the batch
and write it to a floppy.  I don't know what the FCC does its
applications on, but I'd be willing to bet something could be arranged
to get the data from the floppy to their system.

We obviously can't make this a requirement, but there's no reason VEs
without access to a computer couldn't use paper since the staff at the
FCC wouldn't have the same huge load of paper.

ARRL and W5YI, are you listening?

						- Mark

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From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom 2SRA HT mod info wanted
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:39:54 -0600
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/846-3177, 9600-300
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Howdy Aaron...

        I am the proud owner of an IC2-SRA.....I recently had the internal
modification performed on my radio (for xtended xmit.....), but I don't
think you'll find one to transmit on 440MHz.....
        See...Inside the radio, there are two little modules.  One of them
is the 2 meter module and the other is the receive module.  They plug into
the top of the radio.....it's really pretty cool the way they have it set
up.....There isn't any room to add another one of those modules inside
either.....
        I don't have much of a use for 440MHz (to warrant getting a 440MHz
only radio...) so I got the 2m version.  I like it a lot.  After the
keyboard mod, it'll receive from 25-950MHz, but as expected, the
sensitivity drops a bit below 50MHz and above 900MHz or so.....
        I wonder if the new Icom tribander rig uses three modules instead of
two.....Wonder what would happen if you replaced the 2m module in the 2-SRA
with a 440 module.....I wouldn't wanna try it though. ;-)
        If you can find an ic2-sra used, go for it.  I think it's worth the
money just for the quality of customer service alone.....but that's another
story...;-)

        73!!!
        
        T. Keller

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From: sampson@hominy.cs.unca.edu (Daryl Sampson)
Subject: Knwd TS520S Accessories Wanted
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:01:57 GMT

I am interested in locating some accessories for my Knwd TS520S.  In
particular, Im interested in the DG-5 digital display or the external
VFO 520.  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

73

Daryl KM4GO
sampson@cs.unca.edu
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Power Grid Tubes - Help!
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:56:46 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <19530060@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>,
    perry@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Perry Scott) writes:

| [ 4CX250B ] tubes are used by chip manufacturers to etch silicon with plasma.

Why does this bring a smile to my face? :-)

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
From: paul@n3eop.pgh.pa.us (paul)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10m open to no-code-Tech???
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:45:15 GMT
Organization: CrossRoads in Elizabeth, PA

pcl@engr.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes:

> Amazing what you can find in there.  Fer instance: when is it
> *permissible* to encrypt your transmission in order to obscure it's
> meaning?

When you are a telecommand station controlling a station in space 
operation (a satellite).

Back at you:

When is it legal for two earth stations to encrypt their transmissions to 
each other?

HINT:  You have to think about this one...  it's not listed in the book 
in the manner that I have stated it.





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When the encryption's primary purpose is not to obscure its content.  
Compression is one form.
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