HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: living to really flame! catching the tank on fire...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 05:46:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

On this bikes catching on fire thing:

When I worked at gas stations in New York, there was always an emergency
stop-all-the-pumps switch and a fire extinquisher switch (foam from the
overhead canapies) mounted both on one of the poles outside and inside right
by either the door or the cash register.

When the foam goes off it makes a huge mess and they have to close the station
until the fire department comes (To re-fill them and to deal with the
toxic foam runoff that can't go into sewers). They always told us not
to pull them lightly (ie. for no good reason) but if we really needed to
then go for it.

There were several car fires at our station, and one guy who carreened into
a gas pump at 50mph (drunk) but I was never working on those shifts so
I missed all the big messes.

Since this thread has started, I am going to go out and look to see if
California gas stations have these features.....

I too watched too much TV as a kid, I was terrified to drive a car when I
first learned because I thought it would blow up the moment I hit anything......


-- 
Lisa DeLorme                            
delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu           
DOD #363/ 80 KZ250, (mouse bike), 82 KZ440
                    Hey, I'm finally an acronym: DBNI  (Double bike, no income)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Wet Brakes (was)Re: Fun
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:20:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.180730.10757@colorado.edu> alex@csn.org (ALEX MATTHEWS) writes:
[...]
|And if you require a testimonial, consider that on my bikes the limiting
|factor in wet and dry braking is the pads.  Both drilled- and solid-rotor
|bikes (GS550, GS450) brake well in the rain with stock Suzuki pads, but the
|EBC pads are dogs in the rain.  This difference far exceeds any difference
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Some EBC pads are dogs in the dry also - at least "EBC Golds" are...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Chemical safety (was: CDI units)
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:28:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

cmhg1010@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cy) writes:

>...instead of spending
>6 hours picking the junk from around the electronics, I could have used
>the solvent methyl-ethyl keytone (heated) and dissolved it in several
>days, the easy way.

I strongly recommend that if you use methyl ethyl ketone (MEK)

	-  Use it outdoors or in a well-ventilated area.  
	-  Never heat it.  It is almost as flammable as acetone.
	-  Wear solvent-resistant gloves and a faceshield.

Karen Black
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:54:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 1gs944INN16l@agate.berkeley.edu, delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
>In article <BzFMyn.G6C@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.214231.13428@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec17.200227.4185@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>>>|> Everything is for sale. It just depends on the offer.
>>>so how much for the bra? my first offer is $1
>>
>>Next bid is $2
>
>You guys obviously have not a clue of what a good bra goes for these days......

used?!?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Date: 18 Dec 1992 21:44:16 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: swrinde.nde.swri.edu

In article <1700@tekgen.bv.tek.com> tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
>In article <1gsqolINNt53@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>->Nope :^), I'm one of the few drivers around here who TRY to get out of the
>->way of speeding vehicles. It's just that there are lots of cage squids
>->nowadays absolutely FLYING down I35 (over 100mph) in extremely heavy
>->traffic.  I've been almost hit several times now by these guys. I finally
>->quit riding down I35 and now go up 281.
>
>Its really hard for me to believe there are lots of cages traveling over
>100mph down any road in America, especially one that is heavily used.  Me
>thinks you are exaggerating.  Sounds like you need to pay more attention
>to your mirrors or get with the program irregardless of the speed.  And as

1) It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not. It happens.
2) I usually travelled at 70-75mph on I35 - like most of the rest of traffic.
3) I stay to the right except to pass - and don't if one of these bullet
   cages is going to be breathing down my neck before I finish my pass.
4) If you think I pose an obstacle to normal traffic flow, you can ask Joe
   Senner or some of the others that have ridden with me and I think you will
   find that you are incorrect.
5) You need to separate your opinions and conjecture from reality.

>far as fucking with traffic by using radar... you're no better than the
>jerks who park in the left lane. 

You are entitled to your opinion. Me too. I believe that a car doing 100mph
in heavy traffic on a two lane Interstate, weaving in and out and tailgaiting
by less than a foot, even when others are trying to get out of the way, needs
to have his license revoked and put in a mental institution.

And since it appears you believe one can decide how another drives from a few
simple statements, I'll join in...

  Since you are -obviously- one of the aforementioned tailgaters, would you
  please turn in your license, as you are mentally unfit to drive.

How's that? :^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : That's a Hint, Son. I Say, That's a Hint.
From: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bra auction for charity (was: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Date: 21 Dec 1992 01:58:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


I do not wish to be involved in this in any way, thank you


-- 
Lisa DeLorme                            
delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu           
DOD #363/ 80 KZ250, (mouse bike), 82 KZ440
                    Hey, I'm finally an acronym: DBNI  (Double bike, no income)
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bike fires
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:56:01 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>For those of you unfamiliar with [HF], it is about the most masochist-freindly
>stuff you can think of. A molecule chooses one of your molecules, kicks hell
>out of it, then gets bored and wanders off to find another. So it doesnt 
>get used up quickly like most acids. 

This description of HF's activity is colorful, but essentially correct.  An
solution of HF in water is absorbed through your skin, where the fluoride 
attacks the calcium in your bones.

>The upshot of this is that, if you get 
>it on your finger and you a> know what it is, b> get to hospital quickly, 
>then they just amputate your finger. Wait a bit longer, and your hand has to 
>go.........

This is absolutely wrong.  The standard treatment for HF burns (like all 
acid burns) is to first flush the affected area with water for at least 
15 minutes, then go to the emergency room for treatment.  They *will not*
cut off your hand.  They will either put a calcium pack on your skin (to
keep the HF from attacking your bones), or in severe cases, inject calcium
near your bones to neutralize the fluoride.  

I work in a semiconductor fab where we use HF.  It is probably the nastiest
chemical we use, because it looks like water, and it is absorbed by your
skin like water, so we treat it with great care.  I have *never* heard of 
anyone losing a limb to HF.
 
>They risk is small, but the consequences are horrendous. If your bike does
>decide to catch fire, DONT MESS ABOUT WITH THE RUBBER BITS!! (Particularly if
>they are at all oily, wet or stick looking). Dont mess with
>burnt out wrecks, and also be aware of the risks when getting stuff from
>scrapyards.

Given the inaccurate treatment described above, I am doubtful about this
statement, too.  I suspect (given the price I've seen on perfluorocarbon
O-rings we use in the fab) that the O-rings on a motorcycle are neoprene,
Viton, or EPR.

>Info courtesy of 'You and Yours", Radio 4, 15th Dec.

I'd take it with a grain of salt.

Karen Black
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard)
Subject: Lance Holst is a JERK! (was Re: 93 Honda CBR900RR Recall)
Organization: Cathode Ray Mission, San Jose
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:22:24 GMT

Since I was the one who "flamed" Seth first, perhaps I should speak to this.

I probably would've ignored it, since as I pointed out it was indeed "old news"
- not only to 'RR riders, but to the net in general. This topic - sportbike
brakes in general, 'RR brakes in particular (and the "irony" of the recall) -
was beaten to death last April. As I recall, Messrs. Zirin and Rogers were
holding up the Harley end of things. So this wasn't "new" even to Seth.

Now, I realize that Seth posted a bunch of recall information at once - fine,
all well and good, give Seth his merit badge. BUT, he chose to tag on the
editorial comment about the 'RR being a "1993" model, revealing perhaps an
ulterior motive, given especially the history of this topic and his prior
involvement in it. Not good.

So, Seth's message about the 'RR was un-timely (forgiveable), covered ground
here in the net (marginal), and contained gratuitous editorializing (Roid
editorialize? Nawww...) But, hey, he's a big boy, I'm sure he can take it.

Now, can we let it go?

Get to work, Ed.


-Neal
[niall@c3.com]
DoD 0x451
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list)
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:33:56 GMT

In article <31005.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:

[on active noise-reduction]

> It wouldn't sound loud, but your overall sound pressure would still be
>there, so you'd go just as deaf over long exposure.

Say what?  If you play a waveform 180 degrees out of phase with an
identical waveform, it cancels it.  Sum pressure of identical peak
and valley = nada.  In the real world, "reduction," rather than
"cancellation" is all you can hope for.  However, the same principle
holds.  You can't have less noise w/out less sound pressure.

Note that active noise-reduction (ANR) headphones are already in use
in aviation.  Have any of you pilotsquids had any experience w/ them?
 
The big question with this technology is whether the specific noise
environment of a motorcycle helmet at highway speed is well-suited
for this cancellation technique.  The noise has to be fairly steady
state, and the device, as I've mentioned, has a variable response to
frequency, which I haven't pinned down exactly yet, though it seems
to be somewhat of a low-pass response.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Sport Bikes
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:31:06 GMT
Organization: MOST XLENT WORLD O' BIFF !1!!!!!11

In rec.motorcycles aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
;gee.i hope that this is a trick posting, just to get gullible folks like
;myself to post..but..try going back to mr. webster and try looking up 
;"sport" spelled with an R instead of "sport" spelled with a U.
;SPO_U_T will have a meaning similar to the above, while i suggest that
;SPO_R_T will be significanlty different! go try it now! could end a significant
;amount of confusion!

WOW !!!11!1!  DREW YOUR RELLY SMART 1!!!!!!!!111  HOW DID YOU NO HE MENT SPOUT NOT SPORT !!!1??/??  I CUDNT TELL 1!!!!!

WELL GOTTA GO

SEND REPLYZ TO BIFF@BIFNET.BIF.NET !!!!!!!!1  C YA !!!!!!!!!

QUIT
:Q



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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pierson@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (PIERSON  DUSTINE)
Subject: FZR400 storage questions
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:07:58 GMT

I have just prepped my bike for its winter nap (sniff)
but ran into a small snag.  After changing the oil and filter,
removing the battery, removing the tank and coating it, and 
draining the floats, I ran into the problem of pulling the 
plugs.  I've already fogged the cylinders through the carbs
while it was running (as per the instructions) but would like
a little more lube down inside the cylinders.(Seems to me that
most of the fogging oil burned out of them) Anyway, the plugs
are tucked into a space that is *very* tight.  Has anyone figured
an easy way to pull them?  I thought about removing the rad for a
clearer shot at 'em but it seems to be a pain in de ass.  Cool.
You can post (I read rec.moto pretty regularly) or e-mail me:
pierson@ucsu.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Widder Address?
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 03:19:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.233722.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>Does have an address for Widder?  Thanks!
>

Here it comes around on the guitar again:


  Widder Enterprises
  410-D Bryant Circle
  Ojai, California 93023


Verified voice phone:   805-640-1295      FAX:   805-640-1296

They said that they do sell direct to private individuals, so have at it!


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
                      Columbus Ohio   USA
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Engine ignites gas (was Re: correction
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:30:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 2HG@javelin.sim.es.com, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>
>>>So, you know, I've done this a couple times, spilled gas onto the hot engine,  
>>>and nothing happened, but *could* it happen?
>
>>Not likely.  Now, gas on charcoal in a campground near Morro Bay...
>
>So what's the difference? Temperature, right?

No, open flame.  Guess you had to be there (it was a Joust-I, um, "event").

>I think you'd be in more danger from a
>stray spark than engine heat. After all, the combustion chamber runs very
>hot, but it takes the spark to ignite the air-fuel mix.

Exactly.  I don't think Diana is in too much danger spilling some gas
on her Sportster engine.  Not a good idea, mind you, but nothing to
panic over if it happens.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:03:28 GMT

In article <Stafford-131292152945@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
|In article <djm.724124320@morpheus>, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David
|Maconochie) wrote:
|> 
|> So long as it is you that pays the extra $10,000 per year to cover the
|> potential health risk you incur by riding without a helmet. Damned if I se
|> why I or anyone else should pay it for you.
|
|David, exactly how much does it cost the rest of us when a helmetless
|motorcyclist crashes?  Do you have real numbers or are you just pulling
|numbers out of your ass?  
|
|NUMBERS, David.  Citations!  What a concept, eh?

  Right, John!!

  Fact is, David, that a dead motorcyclist (like anyone else who is dead) costs
VERY LITTLE in medical costs.  And before you counter with the funeral costs,
realize those are likely to be there whether you die now or later.  It is
pretty difficult to get JUST the right amount of force to cause crippling or
deficient mental abilities without killing the recipient.  Sure, it happens,
but not enough to justify a "cost to society" arguement until a lot more
significant personal freedoms such as smoking and drinking are abridged first.
Spine injuries are more likely to cause crippling, and the helmet doesn't
protect your spine.

  So, if you want to propone the "cost to us" arguement, a spine-protector
law makes a lot more sense than a helmet law, but that isn't saying a lot.
If you want to just talk COSTS - it makes a LOT more sense to outlaw drinking
and smoking and a number of other actions, BEFORE you get close to the helmet
issue, since the numbers for those are about two magnitudes higher in terms of
cost to society.  I think bathtubs and stairs are ahead of motorcycles in
costing society, also.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: What I want for X-mas
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:01:34 GMT

In article <1PV9BXN@netmbx.netmbx.de> fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
>
>My dreambike for X-mas? Here we go:
>
>A '93 CBR600F2 with its engine removed. Instead I want a 2-stroke engine
>in it. 
>A nice 4 cylinder water-cooled 500ccm engine. It should produce around
>130 hp (DIN). But with street-legal pipes.

[...]

Wade Boyd, the local RZ500 guru and all-around crazy guy was making
something like this when I visited his garage last winter.  He was using
an FZR600 frame though, not an F2.  The cylinders for the RZ500 engine
he was going to stuff into it were on the workbench.  The exaust ports
were much much larger than the ones on my stock 500...

He has the skills to fabricate a complete bike out of all this, AND ride
it.  Now I know who I want to be like when I grow up. :-)

He went to the Isle Of Man TT races this year with an older Honda 600F.
There's talk that he'll bring the RZ/FZR next year.



--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
      "Archiving the net is like washing toilet paper!"- Leader Kibo
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Bra auction for charity (was: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 04:09:59 GMT

In article <carlp.724803627@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
}And I reiterate (revised):
} I bid $15, regardless of model/feature, for any bra actually worn by Jody 
} any time since Jan. 1, 1992 which has not been damaged by fire, flood, 
} famine, earthquake, tornado, mudslide, other natural disaster, acts of 
} civil disobedience, or other damage exceeding "normal wear and tear".

A WARNING FOR JODY:

In college my roommate and I shared a duplex with his half-sister. She had
heard that it was a Good Idea to microwave panties and panty hose to kill
yeastie beasties, so after washing her undies she'd bring them over and
pop them in the super-schmancy ultra-expensive microwave that my rich
roommate had recently bought. One day, she decided that since she was in
a hurry and her bra (and she had HUGE...uh...bras) was wet, she'd throw
it in the microwave to dry with her panty hose. She set the thing on high
and went to the bathroom. When she came out, the inside of the microwave
looked like The Towering Inferno. Metal fastener and metal underwire,
dontchaknow.

The over 1/2" thick glass plate in the bottom of the microwave ended up
in pieces no more than 3/4" square, then coating inside the oven melted
down in huge stalagtites reaching the bottom of the oven, and oven,
panty hose, and bra were a complete writeoff. I credit her continued
existence on this planet with the fact that she had renter's insurance
that covered the entire duplex, including her angry half-brother's oven.

ObBid: I hereby bid $20 towards The Cause for any bra fitting the
excellent restrictions and prior use requirements stated above by Carl.
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Sport Bikes
Keywords: Spam
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:34:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.232228.625@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.225338.26805@lclark.edu> garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich) writes:
>>tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>>>I really wanted to know. So I looked up the word Sport in the dictionary.
>>>Here is what it said....
>>>
>>>   "To shoot out as liquid through a pipe; projecting tube or pipe for
>>>    pouring liquid. A tube or pipe for leading off rain from a roof."
>>
>>I don't know what dictionary we was using, but mine shows the above descrip-
>>tion for the word "spout" not "sport".
>[...rest deleted...]
>
>Hey Gary, that sounds like a "Webster's" dictionary to me.  How can you
>trust a dictionary that, just last year, decided to remove the word
>"gullible"?
>
>
> Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
> '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"


Please, please, please!  There is only ONE dictionary!  You know the one!


Nick (the Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford!!!!


M'Lud.