HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Huw Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/240 hangs
Keywords: DECstation 5000/240 hangs
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:11:01 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <2749@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.023126.12607@luga.latrobe.edu.au> cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Huw Davies) writes:

>>Memory: 28920K ( 5540K) real, 44768K ( 9600K) virtual, 21800K free
>>
>>  915 cchd      55  -10   884K  668K run    18:11  0.00%  0.00% top
>>29882 9109214g  25    0   332K   80K stop    0:00  0.00%  0.00% vi
>> 7791 9124698t   4    0   328K  148K stop    0:03  0.00%  0.00% ftp
>>
>Holly cow! One thing that is *obviously* wrong is the second column. This
>should be the uid field. It is correct for top, but unless you have users
>with ids like 9109214g and 9124698t, you have a problem.
>Are you allowing ftp access from the outside?

No, those are valid usernames. This is a student Unix system and users
are allocated usernames which are the same as their student number. It's
not the best scheme in the world, but there's no real way of solving the
problem of having 50 John Smiths all wanting john as their username.....

-- 
  Huw Davies           | cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au
  Computing Services   | Phone: +61 3 479 1500
  La Trobe University  | I own an Alfa to keep me poor in a monetary
  Melbourne Australia  | sense, but rich in so many other ways
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: rhill@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Russ Hill)
Subject: WHAT is the FASTEST way to load a Decstation 5000/240
Organization: NASA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:02:42 GMT


I have to load a few hundred Decstations 5000/240 and currently I 
am using ris to get the os installed then I run a shell script that
copies applications and makes other minor adjustments. but ris
is not unattended!!! Is there some way that I can boot diskless ; mount
the drive then load the os, copy applications and make minor os adjustments.
I need this to be as unattended as possible.
thanks in advance for any help.
Russ

-- 

Russ Hill
rhill@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
(407) 633-3950
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick)
Subject: Re: Why is dxclock bigger than vmunix?
Originator: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:23:50 GMT

From article <29EDBABE.558@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, by iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias):
> 
> dxclock is also dxcalc, dxcalendar, and dxpuzzle.  They are all
> hardlinked to the same executable.  

OK, I give up.  *Why* would anyone even _want_ to do something like this?
Seems like gratuitous "functional consolidation" to me.

-- 
John G Dobnick                          ATTnet: (414) 229-5727
Computing Services Division             INTERNET: jgd@uwm.edu
University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee     UUCP: uunet!uwm!jgd

"Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation,
and is thus a source of civilized delight."  -- William Safire
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: klr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler)
Subject: Re: How to append signature to ELM 2.3 PL11
Keywords: ELM
Organization: Hadron.com in exile
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:59:46 GMT

In article <dagrawal.703373536@black.clarku.edu> dagrawal@black.clarku.edu (Dileep Agrawal) writes:
>We use ELM 2.3 PL11 as the mail manager in our ULTRIX system. Can anyone tell
>me how to configure ELM so that it will automatically append the .signature
>file at the end of the outgoing message?

In your .elelmrc file (if you don't have one, go to the elm o)ptions and
save the options with a ">" command), you would change these 2 entries,
as appropriate:

# local ".signature" file to append to appropriate messages...
localsignature = 

# remote ".signature" file to append to appropriate messages...
remotesignature = /guest/klr/.signature


-- 
                Kurt Reisler (UNISIG Chair, DECUS US Chapter)
		  Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
		     Only a guest at klr@umbc3.umbc.edu
		      (formerly at klr@decuac.dec.com)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.misc
From: adtaiwo@peponi.mats.washington.edu (Ademola O. Taiwo)
Subject: Re: gnu gcc-2.1 ported to Xenix 2.3.3
Organization: UnOrganized
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:23:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.195117.1638@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se (Per Lindqvist) writes:
>ohd@ornl.gov (OLIVE D H) writes:
>: 
>: Has anyone had luck porting the gnu gcc 2.1 to Xenix?  I've been trying with no
>luck.  I get absolutely nowhere with the standard cc.  I do get most of the
>way with gnu gcc 1.7 but get stuck with the crtstuff.c.  Let me know if you've
>: learned any tricks.  Don Olive@orph01.bitnet
>
>I have gcc 2.1 running on xenix/386 2.3.3. I cannot remember any particular
>need crtstuff at all, but I have not tried compiling any c++ program.
>-- 
>Per Lindqvist
Yes and NO.
You may not need the crtstuff if you have a good linker, one that understands
.init. How this works is well spelt out in the FSF gld manual, but ...
Now, if you do not want to shell out a lot of money for the Unix compiler,
you should get onto uunet and grab one of those SCO SLSs for UNIX dev system.
You need the linker, it is pretty good about things like this. Note that
you may have to rearrange your development system layout. This should be 
very easy.
The other option is to use the new gnu linker, it has a major
bug which the gnu folks are well aware of, but rather than fix it, they are
mostly writing code around it. JUST get it and use it. It works!
This is what I use and I have compiled some respectable code with g++.
If you need more help drop me e-mail, I'd be more thank glad to help.
Goodluck.














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From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc
Subject: Re: Question for net.views column in UNIX Today!
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:33:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ferranti.id.63SO.OA7
Followup-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC

In article <261@sleepy.UUCP> allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn) writes:
> > FLAMING EXCREMENT they are. Their software is a damned nightmare to install,

> What happened with your Oracle installation?

Well, every other package I've installed on real System V has used the
AT&T standard "Installpkg" interface. You put the disk in, select "install",
and it installs itself. MAYBE asks a few questions, if your system is less
than standard.

Oracle started off poorly: had to cpio in a bunch of floppies myself. Then I
ran the install script and filled in a couple of dozen answers that it wouldn't
have had to ask if it had used the standard interface (like, what directory
to put the executables in).

Then it didn't work. I had to go in and edit the Makefile so it included the
TCP/IP interface module instead of two copies of some serial protocol.

It was like something out of V7. Cnews was easier to set up, and Henry doesn't
charge thousands of dollars for that.

I also had to write my own init.d scripts: Oracle didn't provide any. I still
can't get all of Oracle to come up smoothly. We have to run part of the scripts
by hand after booting.

> I've installed and administered two large Oracle databases on Sun equipment.
> Both installations went smoothly and I have few problems keeping the
> respective databases up.

I've since had to install Motif and Figaro on Suns. I understand you aren't
used to quite as nice a setup... both of these took nearly as much effort
as Oracle, and of course Sun doesn't have any *concept* of packages or a
formal init directory. If that's what you're used to, I guess Oracle seems
a bit smoother.
-- 
/F{findfont exch scalefont setfont}def /S{moveto show}def /T{/Times-Roman F}def
8 T(Ferranti International Controls Corporation)24 28 S(+1 713 274 5180)24 12 S
(Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012)24 20 S 12 /Courier F(`-_-')320 32 S( 'U` )320 16 S
12 T(Peter da Silva)24 36 S 16 T(Have you hugged your wolf today?)358 24 S
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt)
Subject: Re: uucp and fast modems
Organization: Gordon Burditt
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:11:33 GMT

>I do, and I REPEAT with a VANILLA v.32 (NOT bis!) modem if you expect to
>do much better than 700-800cps on already compressed data and uucp and
>...  then you better think again.  You will not exceed the theoretical
>limits anyway ( 960cps @ 9600 baud w/o compression ?)  with compression
>on, and text files, you can exceed this to some extent, but not anywhere
>near the theoretical 38.4K baud max of V.32/V.42bis.

The theoretical limit on a 9600 non-compressing modem (or a 9600 interface 
speed with a faster transfer rate, regardless of compression) is about 877 cps
for uucp g protocol.  This takes into account the uucp packet structure
of 64 bytes data and 6 bytes header.  (64/(64+6)*960 cps = 877 cps) Lower 
this number for a slow or loaded CPU, waiting on disk accesses, the overhead 
protocol messages to transfer individual files (which can easily exceed the 
size of a typical X.* file), transmission errors, transmission delay coupled 
with insufficient windowing, dropping characters due to FIFO overflow or 
insufficient buffering, and just about anything else.  Measure transfer
rates with large (e.g. 100k) files so the per-file overhead doesn't swamp
the data transfer.

Does V.32/V.42bis really have a guaranteed maximum compression rate of
4:1?  Even for ridiculously compressible files such as 100 megabytes of
spaces?  Or does this assume that a V.32 modem has a maximum interface
speed of 38.4kbps?  (This is demonstrably false; you can have two Telebit 
T3000's talking v.32 (perhaps over cruddy phone lines that won't support 
v.32bis) and they have a 57.6kbps interface speed.  

						Gordon L. Burditt
						sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon
From: ehill@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Eric Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: MICRO SOFT WORD
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:14:35 GMT
Organization: HP Roseville Site

For Sale: New and unopened copy of Micro-soft for Word 5.1 for SCO-UNIX
or Xenix.  New was $1400.  Will sell for $800 or best offer
Call 408-336-2281  -  Ask for Al
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From: rfarris@rfengr.com (Rick Farris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,alt.sources.wanted
Subject: Re: Wanted: "spy" program
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:49:31 GMT
Organization: RF Engineering, Del Mar, California
Cc: rfarris

jrichert@krefcom.ish.de (Jan Richert) writes:

>I've seen a program which enables you to display a copy of any
>terminal or modem screen on the console screen for Interactive Unix.

There is a review in the March 1992 issue of UNIXWORLD
Magazine entitled "Take Control of Your System," by Mike
Burgard.  "Remote control software lets you monitor or take
charge of a co-worker's terminal from your own to fill
training and support needs.  We review three products that
help you help others."

Reviewed are:

Doublevision
Maximum Computer Technologies, Inc.
1355 Terrell Mill Rd.  Bldg. 1466  #100
Marietta, GA  30067
404-952-5398
uunet!maxtech!dvinfo

Blast Professional Unix
U.S. Robotics Software
5615 Corporate Blvd.
Baton Rouge, LA  70808
504-923-0888

UNIXAnywhere
Aardvark Data Solutions
Suite 137
Bear Creek
Lone Mountain, TN  37773
615-626-3940

From the conclusion:

	"Doublevision is the most flexible and easy to use
	of the three products.  On-the-fly monitoring,
	straightforward security features and widespread
	terminal support make Doublevision the choice for
	VARs and system administrators, as well as average
	users who want to build workgroup relations."

--
Rick Farris  RF Engineering POB M Del Mar, CA 92014  voice (619) 259-6793
rfarris@rfengr.com     ...!ucsd!serene!rfarris      serenity bbs 259-7757
From: nlucas@remus.rutgers.edu (Nicholas Lucas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Unix/Xenix question.
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:18:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: remus.Apr.7.20.18.49.1992.9890
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


My question is, will public domain or shareware that says it will run
on Unix (system IV or V) run on SCO's Xenix?  I have found a bunch of
good utilities on the net and would like to use them.  If they wont
run, do you know of any sources (archive sites on the net) where there
is stuff written for Xenix?  THanks in advance.

Please send all responses to     nlucas@remus.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: David L. Jarvis <david@dynamix.com>
Subject: vi window size
To: comp.unix.xenix.sco.usenet (comp.unix.xenix.sco)
Reply-To: dynamix!david@uu.psi.com
Organization: DEC Palo Alto
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:56:05 EDT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I have recently been doing some 'tinkering' with my terminfo/termcap
files ... now 'vi' starts up with a window size of something like 8 lines ...
What have I done?  I have RTFM but didn't get bit by anything obvious.
I didn't *think* I was messing around with anything other than arrows
and function keys.  I *can* manually set window=24 (or even put that in
.exrc) but I would still like to know what I did wrong.  
As always, any/all help/info *much* appreciated ...
Regards,
/david
/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
|          David L. Jarvis                 SOFTWARE  /                 |
|          david@dynamix.com                       /  DYNAMIX          |
\----------------------------------------------------------------------/
From: dwatney@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Marshall Sutherland)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Making Xenix executables under Unix
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: dwatney@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

We seem to be having a problem making a Xenix compatible executable on our
Unix system.  We thought we had found all of the relevent compiler settings,
but something isnt working.  The Xenix user says that ls shows it to be
an executable file, but when he tries to run it, it says it cant find
that file (the current directory contains the file).

Can someone send me a blow-by-blow account of how to successfully make
an executable which will work?  I'm sure it will turn out to be some
trivial thing missing, but thats all it takes to mess it up...

An email response would be preferred since I haven't had time to keep
up with news lately.

Thanks,

-----
Marshall Sutherland, Digital Magic Software Development, Inc.
dwatney@pine.circa.ufl.edu, dwatney@ufpine.bitnet, 0@arms.uucp, arms!0
Sysop, Farthinghale Arms BBS, +1 904 378 4861
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From: davidf@golem.uucp (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Avoiding stdio
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:08:42 GMT

I have a very small program which does not use stdio at all,
but the default Scrt0.o causes all of stdio to be linked in
anyway.

This may sound like a minor problem, but the stdio package is
probably about the same size as the rest of the program (I told
you it was small).  Is there an alternate crt0.o which doesn't
use stdio?

--
David J. Fiander    |email [Fr., = enamel] Used attrib. in `email ink', ink
<davidf@golem.uucp> |used on glass, porcelain, etc.
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From: jrichert@krefcom.ish.de (Jan Richert)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,alt.sources.wanted
Subject: Wanted: "spy" program
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:45:53 GMT
Reply-To: jrichert@krefcom.ish.de (Jan Richert)
Organization: Krefcom UUCP Server, Krefeld, FRG

Hi!

I've seen a program which enables you to display a copy of any
terminal or modem screen on the console screen for Interactive Unix.

Has anyone written s.th. like this for SCO Xenix? Where could
it be optained from?

Greets, Jan

-- 
Jan Richert (NIC-ID: JR482) | Internet:   jrichert@krefcom.ish.de
Krefeld, FRG                | BTX:        02151399843-0001
Voice: +49 2151 313124      | IRC-Nick:   jrichert
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From: sgf@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven G. Feuerstein)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,biz.sco.general
Subject: What is best tape backup software?(CTAR,BRU,JTAPE)
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:49:46 GMT
Organization: UB


Please send problems/comments regarding tape backup software running
under unix/xenix.  I am interested in the following software packages 
plus any others being used:

JTAPE from CMS
CTAR
BRU from EST


Thanks in advance!

Steve Feuerstein
acsu.buffalo.edu!sgf
From: jim@igc.org
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:50 PDT
Subject: What is "kernel: WARNING: no file"
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1534600004:000:711
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jim    Apr 16 11:50:00 1992



4/16/92

Hello,

After a system crash I often see many lines of the message
"Kernel: WARNING: no file".  Sometimes it eventually stops, and
sometimes it goes on so long that I give up and reset (crash) the
system.  The problem doesn't repeat after the reset.

Does anybody have any idea what is going on?


My system:

Free Computer Technology 486-33 motherboard (with external cache disabled).
16mb memory
Equinox Megaport
DPT caching ESDI controller
320 mb mirrored disk space
mono console

Xenix 2.3.3 (xnx155b)
Xenix-Net 1.2
Oracle 5.1.22

Thanks for any help or enlightenment,
-jim
--------------------------------
Jim Wampler
jim@igc.org
..{uunet,hplabs,pyramid}!cdp!jim
--------------------------------
From: pgd@compuram.bbt.se (Per Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: SCO 3.2.4
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:03:23 GMT

keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
: I don't EXACTLY remember now, (cause I was really stressed! :-( ) but I
: think the size of the kernel was ASTRONOMICAL.  I know that under 3.2
: NOW it is 3.9K.  Will check on the W/E again, but I think the bloody
: thing was 11000K in 3.2.4.  
If it is xenix you are speaking about, this sounds weird. My xenix
kernel (file) is around 500k, and I cannot even start to imagine what
could make it ten or twenty times bigger.  This is file size,
in-memory size is 1816k, but then there is almost 1MB of buffer cache.
-- 
Per Lindqvist

Internet: pgd@compuram.bbt.se   Fidonet: Per Lindqvist @ 2:201/332
From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: status of X11rX port
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

dje@sspiff.UUCP (Doug Evans) writes:
>
>I have Xenix 2.3.4 and am running X11R4 (aka X386 1.1b) with Per Lindqvist's
>patches and an ATI VGA Wonder/XL (I assume you mean their VGA Wonder cards,
>not their Ultra or Vantage, right?). It works great so I'd stay there's no need
>to stall any longer! :-)
>
>I made notes as I did the port. If you or anyone else wants, I'll
>post a "play by play" of what I did. If there's interest, I guess it would
>be a good idea to post the works, eh?

I dunno about anyone else, but from what you describe, it looks like you
are talking about 80 MB for the build.  This is the kink in the line for
me.  I'm just a PhD student.  That kind of disk space I just don't have.
:-(.  Probably I'm not the only one, so at least I don't have to feel
lonely.

Thanks to everyone who posted helpful comments.  Thanks much.  You're all
a great bunch:  Doug, Per, et. al.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%ellis@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@ellis.uchicago.edu           rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
From: dwatney@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Marshall Sutherland)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Making Xenix executables under Unix
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:41:30 GMT
Reply-To: dwatney@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

The 6-8 people who told me to check into the ./command were right and all
get brownie points.  So, of course, after doing that, it coredumped from a
stack overflow...  Are there any good references that would be helpful
in this debugging task?  Are there any local people reading this who have
Xenix systems and would like to help?  (Our target machine is in North
Dakota, we are in Florida.  Can you say "logistical nightmare"?)

Thanks again,

-----
Marshall Sutherland, Digital Magic Software Development, Inc.
dwatney@pine.circa.ufl.edu, dwatney@ufpine.bitnet, 0@arms.uucp, arms!0
Sysop, Farthinghale Arms BBS, +1 904 378 4861
From: ronald@robobar.co.uk (Ronald S H Khoo)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Need program to Up/Download off SCO UNIX
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:21:07 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.

hempster@csd4.csd.uwm.edu asked:

> I am running SCO Unix V. on an Altos 4000 (486-EISA) computer
> and need a program to allow up/downloading directly to the computer.
> I think there should be a version of kermit somewhere that will run
> on this computer.

As always, C Kermit from Columbia University works on almost any Unix
under the sun.  In particular, the I am using the current beta
version with good results under SCO UNIX.  It is available by
anon FTP from

	kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] /kermit/sw/cku179.tar.Z

(This version supports sliding windows and telnet connections.  wonderful!)

-- 
Ronald Khoo <ronald@robobar.co.uk> +44 81 991 1142 (O) +44 71 229 7741 (H)
-- 
/home/ronald/.signature: Not a name file
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: SCO 3.2.4
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 23:36:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.050323.4571@compuram.bbt.se> pgd@compuram.bbt.se (Per Lindqvist) writes:
>If it is xenix you are speaking about, this sounds weird. My xenix
>kernel (file) is around 500k, and I cannot even start to imagine what
>could make it ten or twenty times bigger.  This is file size,
>in-memory size is 1816k, but then there is almost 1MB of buffer cache.

	kithrup 1> l /unix
	----r-----   1 bin      mem       882476 Dec 01 15:18 /unix
	kithrup 2> size /unix
	598240 + 79776 + 460508 = 1138524

That's a fairly standard kernel, without NFS, Merge, VP/ix, etc.  You can
chop out a whole bunch of stuff by removing unnecessary drivers.
Unfortunately, even the people at SCO don't have a list of which drivers, in
by default, are unnecessary for most people!  (There was a list, once, which
was posted to the net; it was the result of one person going through and
trying to figure out what everything installed in his kernel was for.  He
managed to cut out maybe half of them.)

Something someone once discussed was to split the console driver.  Under
XENIX, I seem to recall that the console driver took up about 15% of the
kernel; under UNIX, it was closer to 10% or 8%; this is still pretty hairy.
I, for example, only need a standard Hercules Monocrhome driver; why should
I have all the stuff related to CGA, VGA, and EGA linked in?  (For the
kernel used to install, you would, of course, want to have "everything"
linked in; but afterwards, you might want to trim.)  Unfortunately, I don't
know if the console driver can easily be split up that way, and, if it can,
if it would actually save you much.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "One form to rule them all, one form to find them, one
sef@kithrup.COM  |  form to bring them all and in the darkness rewrite the
-----------------+  hell out of them" -- sendmail ruleset 3 comment from DEC.
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
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