HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bowler@athena.mit.edu (Bert Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: "Fingering" a compuserve user
Date: 4 Sep 1992 14:13:35 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Is there someway to find out the identity of compuserve user just knowing
their account number?

Reply via email please.

Thanks,
-bert smith

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: BigFun
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:54:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Thus spake drw@fibonacci.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley): 

>The most reasonable, of course, is for service providers to charge for
>their services.  Then we find out very quickly whether the user wants
>it badly enough to be worth the provider's effort.

	True.

	It also becomes a commercial service at that point and is no longer
*legally* accessible by NSF backbone.

	It *also* becomes an additional expense for students and other
researchers with limited budgets who will either be forced to reallocate
their resources or to do without a potentially useful service.

	Neither of these alternatives sounds like it fits well with the
principles of Internet (i.e., free exchange of information for the purposes
of research and education).

	BTW, limiting access to users at non-commercial sites doesn't solve
the problem either - many legitimate graduate (and undergrad) students
(myself included) are enrolled at institutions which have bitnet versus
Internet connections, and must use commercial services to permit access to
the Internet in the first place.



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    adamsr@irie.ais.org \ /|\ /  We're both just one too many mornings,   
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From: QQ11@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Accessing JANET
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:16:48 GMT
 <11479353.1.715411916@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>
Organization: University of Liverpool

.....
>In article <2907@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> pnd@rabbit.physiol.unimelb.edu.au
>(Philip Dubbin) writes:
>>From: pnd@rabbit.physiol.unimelb.edu.au (Philip Dubbin)
>>Subject: Accessing JANET
>>Keywords: JANET, National Public Domain Software Archive
>>Date: 6 Aug 92 23:59:50 GMT
>>I want to access the National Public Domain Software Archive
>>available via JANET.
>>How do I connect (FTP or TELNET) to this service?
>>If anyone has an IP address or anything else I would be
>>grateful
>>
The address is micros.hensa.ac.uk, login as hensa, password hensa

Access outside the UK used to be blocked. Not sure whether this is still
true.
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: hora@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Joseph Hora)
Subject: Satellite images for Pacific?
Keywords: none
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:27:20 GMT

There have been a few postings recently about sites where satellite images
and weather maps can be obtained.  Does any site have images for the Pacific,
in particular including Hawaii?  I looked at the previously mentioned sites,
such as seas.smu.edu and vmd.cso.uiuc.edu, but they seemed to have only images
of North America.

Joe Hora            jhora@ifa.hawaii.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: BigFun
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:16:44 GMT

joe@decoy.uoregon.edu (Joe St Sauver) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.230310.26259@cs.mun.ca> thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas  
>Clancy) writes:
>> Sheesh, I think Jeremy did an excellent job, and I for one thank him 
>> for posting what he did, sowhat it one or two entries do not work for 
>> someone - they are also provided with a million others to have fun with.
>> 
>>  The guy trys to do us all a favour and you [Joe] jump down his
>>  throat. Relax

>My point is that while the Internet may seem like a billion dollar
>toy, it isn't, and like most things which seems like a toy (but
>aren't), there are effects associated with misuse or frivilous use.

>Joe

Oh, I agree 100% with you last saying, but Internet is for SHARING
information - which is exactly what he did. Perhaps the word 'fun'
should not have been used (?)... Toy? Not really, but it is a most
intereting place, and it's (IMHO) a place to explore, I find out
all sorts of neat things I never knew before - whether they help me
academically or simply "amuse me" are neither here nor there, the 
whole process is interesting and "fun". He provided me (and others I
am sure) with information we never had... actually, I stumbled accross
this newsgroup quite by accident - what timing 8-)
 
 What bothered me most about your post towards Jeremy [attack] is the 
 way in which it was done... a simple "please insure that the information
 you posted is entirely correct" etc; but in that case it is impossible to
 insure that "everything" is correct, that's the beauty of this Network, if
 someone makes a mistake, or posts something wrong, someone is there to
 HELP OUT and show us the CORRECT way... not sentence him to 5 years of
 manual labour.

 I thank you for your time,
 Thomas

 Hmm... <rubbing chin> scavanger hunt eh? ... 8-)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: email to compuserve
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:22:15 GMT

Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu> writes:

>For those sending to friends with accounts on Compuserve, be aware that 
>the receiver is charged for messages received from the Internet.  I don't 
>have the exact information, but believe the per message charge to be 
>around $0.35.  Corrections welcome.  Also, Compuserve has made positive 
>changes in the Internet message gateway which now allows the transmission 
>of fairly large (300k or more, I believe) messages from Compuserve to an 
>Internet account.  Again, corrections welcome.

First of all, not all CIS users get per message charges. And the charges
are based on *size* of the message, with a minimum charge. The rest of us
just pay for connect time.

As of a couple of weeks ago, you still couldn't send anything bigger than
50k to Internet from CIS. But you can *receive* messages up to 500k *from*
Internet.

50k is the max for a "text" message. 500k is the max for a "file" message.
They are retrieved in somewhat different manners.

BTW, the folks with the per message charges can delete a message unread.
If they do, they won't be charged for it.

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: drw@fibonacci.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Re: BigFun
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:03:50 GMT

In article <17gavuINNfov@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
   Fooey.  Don't scare people into not experimenting with the Internet
   because they might be trampling on someone's precious resource.  There are
   a number of very reasonable ways of controlling user access if use of a
   particular resource does get out of hand; that should not stop people who
   want to explore from trying things out and seeing if they work.

The most reasonable, of course, is for service providers to charge for
their services.  Then we find out very quickly whether the user wants
it badly enough to be worth the provider's effort.

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
There's no prob with "Bob"!
From: joe@decoy.uoregon.edu (Joe St Sauver)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: BigFun
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:10:54 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

In article <1992Aug25.230310.26259@cs.mun.ca> thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas  
Clancy) writes:
> Sheesh, I think Jeremy did an excellent job, and I for one thank him 
> for posting what he did, sowhat it one or two entries do not work for 
> someone - they are also provided with a million others to have fun with.
> 
>  The guy trys to do us all a favour and you [Joe] jump down his
>  throat. Relax

I posted a reply because this is the second time in a couple of months 
that someone has incorrectly posted that DECOY offers Webster service 
to the entire world. It results in a barrage of login failures, e-mail 
from confused people (some of whom peremptorily demand to know why THEY 
can't get Webster service from Japan, or Switzerland or wherever), and 
generally a lot of confusion.

I also inherently have a problem with the premise that these services
have been made available for people "to have fun with" -- this is 
indubitably true for the MUD and IRC services, but there are many other
network services which are only provided by special effort and at some 
expense in money, time, machine resources, bureaucratic overhead, etc., 
for people who have a legitimate need to access and use them. Examples
of this include collections of geophysical data, and literary resources
to name but a few.

Contrast the following more extreme examples of how the Internet can be
used:

    Online Public Access Card Catalog Patron 1: As part of a network 
    wide 'electronic scavenger hunt,' OPAC Patron 1 connects to every
    network accessible library card catalog and searches for the 
    occurence of a particular diphthong or ligature in the 
    description of cataloged items. Naturally, this takes some time,
    and is simultaneously (and frivilously) being done by hundreds if
    not thousands of other similar participants across the network.

    Online Public Access Card Catalog Patron 2: To complete research
    on a historical book that she has been working on for months, a
    selected number of OPACS are searched for a well defined topic,
    during a low use period (considering both network traffic and
    probable library usage).

Enough instances of Case #1 and services disappear; conversely, I
don't know any institution which would object to hypothetical 
Case #2.

My point is that while the Internet may seem like a billion dollar
toy, it isn't, and like most things which seems like a toy (but
aren't), there are effects associated with misuse or frivilous use.

Joe
From: allan@cs.cornell.edu (James Allan)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Classics available?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:17:54 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

Does anyone know of any internet facilities that would be useful to
someone studying classics (greek and latin)?  I'm trying to convince a
friend that there is advantage to using the net, and something like
that would be an added incentive (she's a classics prof).  I suppose
that would include mailing lists, newsgroups, or on-line texts.

Thanks.
From: michaell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael A. Lowry)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: How can my friend in Bordeaux and I send email to each other?
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:27:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

My good friend Anne lives in Bordeaux, France. She and I would like to
send each other email, but she doesn't have an Internet account (yet).

Can anyone tell me the names of any Internet hosts in Bordeaux?

I've also read some discussion about communication between the French
MiniTel terminals and the Internet (via a system in Germany?). How
could we take advantage of this?

Thankyou VERY MUCH for any help!
Oh- please reply via email, even if you also post a follo-up article. :)

-Michael A. Lowry

	   //
--Michael Andrew Lowry
michaell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: mlester@ducvax.auburn.edu (Miles Lester)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Weather Services From Michigan
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:39:14 GMT
Organization: Division University Computing, Auburn University


Thanks to all of those who responded to my inquiry. It appears that I
did indeed have the correct address. Must have been unlucky timing that
I attempted to connect when the system was temporarily unavailable.
 
---------------------------------------------------------------- 
| Miles Lester              | "Why are we here?                |
| mlester@auducvax          |       Because we're here,        |
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---- Administrative Computing Services Auburn University -------
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (-Pete French.)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Telephone Directories?
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:16:06 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

in article <18439hINNgpq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cb705@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason K. Green) says:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
> 
> Does anyone know if there are any telephone directories on line?
> (Not electronic-address directories)

UK yellow pages is accessible on-line - you will need to get to a PSS-gateway
tho. This can be doen via JANEt (call pss-gate) at which point use the
userid (,,r).eyp to connect you. Accessing JANET from the internet has been
covered quite recently as far as I remember (though I cant remember exactly
how to do it myself).

-bat.
-- 
-Pete French. (the -bat. )     -+
Adaptive Systems Engineering    |
                                +-       memento mori, remember to die
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: email to compuserve
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:16:27 GMT

adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:

>Thus spake producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu: 

>>i know this subjject has been kicked around just recently, and if this is 
>>a FAQ, i apologise. But, how do i send mail to a compuserve acct??
>>
>>Thanks for any help.

>	For Compuserve:

>		7####.####@compuserve.com  {be sure to use a "." not a ","}

Wrong! Not all CIS user IDs start with a 7. There are a lot that start
with 1 (and are just about guaranteed to be a user from Britain)

-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: sendall@dxpt01.cern.ch (Mike Sendall)
Subject: Re: What is WWW?
Reply-To: sendall@dxcern.cern.ch
Organization: CERN (European Laboratory for Particle Physics)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:13:48 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.111829.20856@fel.tno.nl>, qb7g6@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat) writes:
|>...
|>I would very much like to know how to contact this WWW. Can anybody
|>enlighten me?

You can try it (and get information about it) by telnet info.cern.ch
(128.141.201.74)

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: she@elvis.sovusa.com (Sergey V. Schevchuk)
Subject: Need in full information about country and city phone codes!
Reply-To: she@elvis.sovusa.com
Organization: ELVIS+ Corp.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:11:08 GMT

Does anybody know simple way to get full info
about country and city phone codes.

Serge Shevchuk.

<she@elvis.sovusa.com>
From: maas@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Frank Maas)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: *URGENT* Internet access wanted in Paris (Eng/Fr)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:31:46 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

For starters: I know this is a Frequently Asked Question, and I will mail
the authors of preceding articles also, but the subject *URGENT* says it 
all (...)

I'm looking for 

or: a callable site, which has access to Internet. This site should be in the
    local tarif-zone of Paris.
or: a site with public-access terminals, which is open until at least 11 pm and
    which is easily to be reached by public transport in Paris.

If you have any information regarding these options and the charges, please mail
it to me directly. (see address below). THANCE (THAnks in advANCE)
-----

Pour commencer: Je sais que c'est un question qui est demande souvent, et j'en-
voie un message aux autres qui avaient demander le meme question. Mais le sujet
*URGENT* dit toutes (...)

Je cherche

si: une machine, qui je peut telephoner en tarif locale de Paris, avec access 
    au reseau Internet.
si: une machine avec ordinateurs (terminals) qui sont accesible pour 'toutes
    le monde' et qui est situe en Paris pres de Metro ou Bus.

Si vous avez information de cettes choses, et les couts de cettes choses, 
envoyez-les a moi svp. MERCI
 
   _____                      _ _ _                | maas@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl
    /  '               /     ' ) ) )               |----------------------------
 ,-/-, __  __.  ____  /_      / / / __.  __.  _    | Delft Univ. of Technology
(_/   / (_(_/|_/ / <_/ <_    / ' (_(_/|_(_/|_/_)_  |       The Netherlands
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green)
Subject: Re: Area Code 508/617
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:23:42 GMT

The World
617-739-9753
   or mail
staff@world.std.com
-- 
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               /America Online: Gargoth
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: heiko@Harpo.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE (Heiko Schlichting)
Subject: Re: Public Access? (Germany)
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Dept. of Chemistry
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:01:44 GMT

chetter@leland.Stanford.EDU (chet pager) writes:

>I'm getting the picture that there now easy way to get free email when I'm
>away from my "home" computer.  So, even if I have to pay for it, what's
>the cheapest way to a) telnet over to my stanford account, or b) set up a
>new account for email  (which option is more likely?)  I'm particularly
>interested in sites of southern Germany, Nurnberg in particular.

In Germany there are two important absolutely non-profit "organizations"
for priavte access for News, Mail and IP:

1. Individual Network (IN): contact via in@IN-Berlin.DE (Mailinglist), you 
                            can get infos (in German only!) from this address.
			    The Individual Network is a member of
			    EUnet and DFN (Deutsches Forschungsnetz).
			    Usenet-Newsgroup: de.org.in

2. Verein zur Foerderung der privatbetriebenden Datenkommunikation (VzFdpbDk):
			    contact via urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias 
			    Urlichs). There exists an agreement with XLink.
			    Usenet-Newsgroup: de.org.sub

Both organizations have sites in Erlangen/Nuernberg.

Heiko
-- 
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heiko@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de     | Institut fuer Kristallographie
From: pimentel@earrth.enet.dec.com (John Pimentel)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Area Code 508/617
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:11:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Looking for inexpensive connection in 508/617 area that can handle 9600
v32/v42b.  

Please reply by e-mail.



=============================================================================
The opinions expressed are my own.  No rights are granted to take them out of
context nor do they represent the views of my employer, whomever it might be
for the moment.
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: What are ways to get on?, choices given, advice wanted...
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 03:07:19 GMT
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California

alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen) writes:

>This is not always true. Out-of-state long-distance is never as expensive
>as Peter indicates if you do a little work up front. By joining AT&T's "Reach
>Out America" program, or the equivalent programs from MCI or Sprint, you can
>guarantee a rate of $6.60/hour (for AT&T, the others are similar)...

Thanks, Alexis, this is a good point.  And the point about high-speed
modems going better direct-dial is a good one, too.  Which reminds me
-- if you're going to be transferring a lot of data, think about
buying a fast modem.  Dollar-per-byte-transferred-wise, 2400 at $1/hr
is the same as 14.4K at $6/hr.  And fast modems start at $200-$300
nowadays.  (Check for high-speed surcharges, too, though.)

>>Compuserve comes with Internet *email*, and that's it.  (BTW, at $7.95
>>for the flat rate option, which includes up to 60 email messages a month,
>>it's not a bad standard answer to "Where can I get email access?")

>Depends. Most people here (from looking at mail logs) get from 3 to 20
>messages a day. That works out to 90-600 messages a month...

It's certainly no good for more than low-volume use, but for somebody
just getting started (or more likely, somebody trying to get somebody
*else* started), it's a good all-purpose answer.  You're fairly certain
they'll have a local access number, you know they'll have support if
they need it, they can use the CIS access programs (CIM, etc.) if they
can't handle a terminal program yet, etc.

Not the best answer, but usually a safe one.  (This is just for email,
of course.  If they want Usenet, or even better, Internet, then it's a
whole 'nother story.  Which is where we got started, isn't it! :)

Pete
From: ckunz@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Charles Kunz)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: internet in Reading, PA, USA?
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:16:27 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

Anyone know how to get internet access in Reading PA?
Please e-mail all replies.
Thanx in advance.

Chuck

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Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~)
Subject: 602 net nodes
Originator: smintz@alamo
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:07:26 GMT


Is there a link in the 602 area code (preferably PHX area) for public access to
internet?
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Re: Detroit or near westside suburbs access sites wanted.
Date: 23 Aug 1992 13:11:07 -0400
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: nigel.msen.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

root@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Dave Parks) writes:
: 
: 	I believe that with our offering Usenet News feeds and on-line News
: accounts that the interest may very well exceed my own expectations.
: There are systems in the (313) area code that offer accounts in the $20.00
: per month line (I believe MSEN is one) but I am thinking more along the lines
: of $5.00/month for access to Plex-1 & 2 and NO $$ per connect time. 

Sure enough, Dave, but for the extra dollars on your Msen account you get
telnet, ftp, irc, and the rest of the stuff that comes along with being
directly on the Internet.  So I don't feel bad at all about asking the few
extra dollars for it.  (And hopefully we'll get the cost of IP in S.E.
Michigan down to the point where your subscribers can help you fund a
direct Internet connection for Plex-1...)

We really should get into a long protracted argument about whether one
system or the other is better, who's going to expand faster, where the
other alternatives (other than the late, lamented CAT-TALK) for getting on
the net in Michigan, so that there's a general understanding that you
don't need to call California to get connected...

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 4562