From: ghg0602@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gih-Guang Hung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:30:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtCDvo.LGy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

In article <1992Aug20.232710.14966@husc3.harvard.edu> tloh@husc8.harvard.edu
(Teck Loh) writes:
>I think you are confused with the different chinese groups that are involved in
>WWII. There are four groups which I can think of:
>1. Mainland chinese 2. Taiwanese  3. oversea chinese that are directly affected
>by the war. 4. Oversea chinese that are not directly affected. I believe that
>malaysian chinese belongs to group 3.

>> What kind of crap is this?
>> 
>> The "overseas Chinese" are _not_ Chinese.  They are Americans, French, etc.
>> I just "love" it when a Chines-cu twit lumps them all under the label
>> Chinese.  Long ago, Koreans were Chinese-ge.  Ever further back, Koreans
>> were African-ge.  But then, a Chinese-cu can't understand, can he?

I don't think Mr Loh meant to infer that *only* chinese were killed outside
of China.  There are definitely *overseas chinese*.  They are your so-called
chinese-ge and yes, some of them were killed during the war !  Are you
trying to deny the fact that chinese-ge were killed overseas during that
period ?  Trying to rewrite history ? :-)

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan

>What are Chinese-cu and Chinese-ge, may I ask?

>> Chinese people born overseas tend to confuse the 3 connotations
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> of word Chinese.  Let's define some terms, and I'll explain.
>> Chinese-ge = Chinese in the genetic sense (i.e. ethnically Chinese)
>> Chinese-cu = Chinese in the cultural sense
>> Chinese-ci = Chinese in the sense of citizen of China

I thought you just said there were *NO* "overseas Chinese" ?!   :-)

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I must stress that cruelty is abhorable, be it the case with the many deaths 
caused by the Japanese or the Chinese-cu.  I don't deny the atrocities
committed by both parties and I don't indulge in comparing the degree of
cruelty and barbarism.    While it is within Mr Loh's
rights (as guaranteed by this western-cu society) to demand an apology from
the Japanese, you are also equally entitled to yours to demand apologies 
from the Chinese.  So instead of chiding Mr Loh for demanding an apology, 
why don't you formally request an apology from the Chinese too.  
For all you know, you might get lucky.  In this case, all parties would be
happy and scaa will be a much better place for exchanging constructive ideas.
All you are whining about is "the chinese did not apologize for their mistake, 
so why should the Japanese ?"  Remember that no single person can demand 
justice for all the people in the world.  Neither can you.  Afterall, your
fervent and incessant attacks on Chinese culture seem pretty narrow in
objective too despite your seemingly benevolent call for justice and
emancipation from the Chinese culture.

Jaa, post o shiru mae ni yoku kangaete kudasai ne !  Baka no koto o
ittara baka rashii yo !

Gih-Guang
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