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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: My firstborn ain't a baby anymore!
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:05:00 GMT
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Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
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In article <kf1zkvS00WBMM53G0I@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Judi Mancuso) writes...
> 
>Linda--Your quick message brought tears to my eyes!  I have a son who is
>now 7.  Somewhere along the line--and I do not know when it happened--he
>grew up.  I see him vasalating between wanting some of the "mushy"
>things (like kisses, hugs, snuggling) and trying to be "big" and not
>wanting them.  Sometimes he says, "Mommy, can you cuddle with me" and
>then other times (especially when  I drop him off at school)--he
>deliberately asks me not to kiss him or say anything "weird" (he means
>things like--"I love you, have a nice day").  If I catch him  before he
>gets out the car he doesn't mind a kiss but outside the car, these
>things are off limits. But, I can see the day coming--and not too far in

[stuff deleted for brevity]
>  
>I have a 17 month old girl-- people  tell me the mom-daughter
>relationship is quite different than the mom-son one.  It doesn't
>matter, though.  I'll get used to whatever I have to---just as long as I
>have my 2 dear children and I get a few kisses a year..........Judi 

Well, funny you should mention this. My four year old son has
started wiping off kisses (sometimes). My daughter did not do
that until she  was 6, and then only when it was a public kiss.
Sigh. I thought this wasn't supposed to happen unitl they were
teenagers 8-(.
                      Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brentw@coopsol.com (Brent Williams)
Subject: Re: Birth Story (Long)
Organization: Cooperative Solutions, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:09:15 GMT

amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:

>Please, everyone about to have a baby, consider the questions I
>have asked above.  In a Csection everything moves fast and you 
>do not have time or the head to make these decisions.  Discuss them
>beforehand even if you are convinced you'll deliver vaginally.

	I can't agree with this more.  I agree with the remark you 
	made about prepared childbirth classes not preparing you 
	enough for C-sections.  Ours spent so much time trying to 
	tell you that a vaginal birth was "better" that we were 
	relatively unprepared for a C-section.  It also ignored 
	the fact that people have different pain tolerances (wife:
	none whatsoever, her mom: Joan of Arc), which made my 
	wife incredibly bummed out that she wanted an epidural.

	Anyway, best thing to do when you go through childbirth
	education is to treat anything positive with a large grain
	of salt.  Assume that you will a.) have a C-section, b.) that
	the epidural will not work, and c.) "bonding" time that you 
	want won't happen the way you expect.  According to my wife,
	the pain becomes a memory after a few months -- you're pretty
	busy and don't have time to remember much about the delivery.

>Overall I am happy and delighted with our healthy beautiful daughter.

	Congrats.  Enjoy the first year.  There will never be another
	time like this.  After they get mobile and start talking, there
	is a relatively linear evolution forward to adulthood.  But the 
	stuff that happens in the first year now seems like an incredibly
	special time.


-- 
Brent Williams/Cooperative Solutions Inc., San Jose CA   (408) 377-0300
brentw@coopsol.com
Cooperative Solutions makes Ellipse, a development environment for
industrial strength graphical client/server business applications.
From: hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mattresses
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:53:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov17.133134.24909@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm interested in any information you folks could
> provide re: purchasing a mattress for a baby's crib.  
> I really don't know where to start.  
> Specifically what brands are ok, better, best? 
> What should I look for re: firmness, etc.  Any and all information
> would be greatly appreciated.  If there's enough interest,
> I will post a summary.
> 
> Thanks much -
> Kathy
> due 2/25/93
> 
> 

Sorry, I forgot to include my email address.
Please send responses to: kah@hotld.att.com

Thanks,
Kathy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: flower girl dress needed
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:21:52 GMT

In article <BxvJty.6pr@plato.ds.boeing.com> simnet@ssc-bee.uucp (Aileen Hsu) writes:
>  My daughter has just been asked to be the flower girl in my sister-in-law's
>wedding.  I went out yesterday to look for a white dress for her to
>wear for the wedding, the only ones I found cost $70-$100.  I think
>this is too much for something she can only wear for a couple times
>during one season. . . .
>

You could try amortizing the cost of the dress over several wearings.  For
example, we bought Erin an $80 Ivory taffeta and lace dress for her Baptism.
She wore it again at Christmas and then again at Easter.  She wore it to
several functions for each of the holidays and then we had it boxed.  I 
figured that if I'd bought three dresses at only $30 I'd have come out ahead
only this dress was ever so much more elegant and WONDERFUL.  
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ta_k@metro (Katya Ta)
Subject: Re: Baby spitting up
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:19:18 GMT

> In article <1992Nov17.182554.21604@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>> A friend of mine has a small baby who spits up LOTS after eating.  He's
>> only about 3 months old and has been doing this for a while.  The doctor
>> says he looks fine...seems to be gaining weight but poor mom gets
>> drenched after almost every feeding.  (He's breastfed).  Anyone else
>> have that problem?  Is this something to worry about?
> 

All of my 3 children have done this (the smallest one 4 months is still doing 
it). They stopped around 1 year old when they started walking. You just learn 
to take plenty of bibs & cloths (& spare baby clothes) wherever you go.We 
learned that clean cloth nappies make good soaking towels, and keep one on hand 
when feeding Brendan. All our kids are growing up fine. We also were told as 
long as they are putting on weight it's ok.

bye Katya 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Imaginary friends
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:31:38 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Nov23.003838.26194@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
 > Sigh.  What do you do when your 3 YO son insists that you invite
 > his imaginary friend over for a play date?  Fortunately, he didn't
 > throw a tantrum over the issue....

I'd set up a play date.  When the scheduled time arrived, I'd say
"Hey, was that the doorbell?  <name> must be here." and let my son's
imagination carry it from there.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Episiotomies...
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:34:43 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <199211161501.AA07314@tuna.wang.com> JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage") writes:

 [mentions good positions to birth in to minimize tearing]

   one can move to its max and your perinium can stretch to its max. Massaging the
   perinium on top of that results in a high chance of not having an episiotomy
   (so I was told). I also was told by a nurse to start massaging the perinium
   around 6 weeks before the birth date with a little bit of VEGETABLE OIL....
   Also she said it is a good idea to not be wiped down with alcohol when the head
   crowns since it will remove all the natural moisture. Anyway...I also take in
   any good advice from a good nurse, doctor or friendly midwife. Good luck
   to you too! Jutta

My midwife massages the perinium a bit during the birth (and
recommends massages during the end of pregnancy) and puts olive oil on
when she does it. Both my kids were born with olive oil and no epis.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcm@odyssey2.oracle.com (Leslie McRoberts,,,)
Subject: Computer Programs for Pre-school
Reply-To: lcm@odyssey2.oracle.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:12:12 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

My daughter asked me to post this because she doesn't have access to 
the net.  She got an alphabet program from a neighbor and showed my
grandson (3 years old) how to play it on her IBM PC clone.  He just loves
it and wants to play all the time.  She was wondering what other progams
are available for that age range and how to get them. 

Leslie
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Responding to Tantrums
Date: 24 Nov 92 05:06:08 GMT


Jordan and I had dinner at my mother's tonight (adults had pizza;
Jordan had mom-milk), and we started talking about tantrums.

My mother firmly believes that if your child has a tantrum, you should
immediately remove said child from a public place.  "You don't have
the right to subject me to your child's poor behavior."

Obviously, Mom has had tantrum-age children, and I have not (yet :-).
However, I can't help but think that removing a child from a store
when the child throws a tantrum might be exactly what the child
_wants_ and therefore, exactly what a parent shouldn't do.

So, for discussion: are there times when letting a child throw a
tantrum in K-Mart is best for the child?

How do I deal with my mother, who knows everything there is to know
about child rearing (except she did a lousy job with all four of us)
without getting on the floor and throwing a tantrum myself?

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: bilingual kids
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:59:49 GMT

In article <Nov16.181255.46605@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>In article <168A19202.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>, BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
>|> I would like to get in contact with parents trying to raise their
>|> children bilingual.  I am a native German, my spouse is an American
>|> [ rest deleted }
>
>I would LIKE to have my daughter speak my native Arabic, however
>I am getting little success in doing so since my wife does not
> [...deleted...]
>I have many relatives that are in the same predicament, one of my
>cousins has succeded in getting his two year old to speak his native
>Arabic, by only addressing his son in Arabic, and refusing to answer
>any requests the child makes unless he says it in Arabic.  He tells
>me that it has worked for him and now his child knows to talk to daddy
>in one language and mommy in another.
>I would welcome any other suggestions.

I have not seen her in some time, but this will give another way of
how someone else did it:  My brother's sister-in-law is fluent in
French (she spent sometime in Quebec during school) and her husband
is fluent in Spanish.  When their daughter Caitlin was just beginning
to speak, they repeated everything (practically) in English, French
and Spanish.  They didn't request that she only speak to one parent or
another in that language. I think I'd stay away from that, myself, if
I was in that situation. I'd be a little concerned about what that might
do to the child, only speaking in one language to the father and another
to mom.  I digress. Anyway.  They would ask her to repeat things in
either French or Spanish, much the way any parent would teach their
child English.  This way, the child spoke all three languages with the
same ease. And she wasn't limited to one particular language for either
parent.  There was nothing more adorable than hearing a 2 year old Caitlin,
after getting told NO!, whine, "[ phonetic pronunciation here] Pour quah,
Momma??? POUR QUAH???" 

Just another way of approaching it.  Worked from how I could see.

Jackie
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From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: night time diapers
Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:31:57 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu

I was wondering if those Pull-Ups hold more than a regular disposable diaper.
My daughter likes to go to bed with a bottle of water (it's her favorite
comfort object!) and if I don't change her diaper when I go to bed she wakes
up soaking wet, with soaked pajamas, sheets, etc.  The only problem is that
when I change her diaper, she will sometimes wake a bit and ask for another
bottle of water, then she still wakes up wet.  Would using Pull-Ups at night
help?  Could she go all night with one of them?  She's about 30 lbs. and in
the largest size of diapers already.  I know, I know, I should just "wean"
her from her night-time bottle, but we're not ready to do that yet...

Thanks for any ideas you have!

    Vicki


-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: raising children
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:19:39 GMT
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

<1992Nov18.152152.14225@spdcc.com> <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp>
<1992Nov19.134059.16342@umr.edu>
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

In article <1992Nov19.134059.16342@umr.edu> davem@reagan.cs.umr.edu (Dave
Mentis) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com
(markbr) writes:
>>
>>I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
>>taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting, 
>>and one on relationships.
>>
>I suspect these tests will soon be brought to a neighborhood
>near you by the same fine people who gave us voter qualification
>tests in the past (that a US Supreme Court Justice couldn't pass
>if (s)he weren't of the right race).

WHOAA!  Slow down here a minute.  No one said anything about mandatory
TESTING.  The original poster (see above) is an advocate of mandatoy
COURSES.  The more information available to people contemplating 
marriage and/or parenthood, the better, in my opinion.  

And, as far the other post I read on this subject (sorry, I don't 
remember the source) (about people who are good at communicating are
going to be good at communicating irrespective of any impact of 
such a course)....there are more things to learn about marriage than
the importance of communication.  Communication is the foundation
of a strong marriage, but there are many other facets of marriage
I would have been interested in knowing about before the fact.



-- 
Paulette Leeper                               paulette.leeper@daytonOH.NCR.COM
NCR Corporate Data Planning & Admin              ...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!pleeper
++++++++++++++++513-445-6289   VP 622-6289   FAX 513-445-2468+++++++++++++++++
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: is 7 months old to young for too much tv?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:05:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Nov19.020550.25629
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I have noticed that my 7 month old daughter really likes to watch
tv. Whenever I turn her away from it, she turns to watch it.  Is
this a sign that I should keep in mind that it will be easy for her
to just sit and watch it when she get older? or is it just the fact
that the tv has lots of sounds and colors that are appealing to her?

-Laura (A Mom that doesn't want her daughter to be a tvaholic) Utt
Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:47:17 -0500 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Batteries (was Re: tape players for a 2.5 year old)

On 17-Nov-92 in tape players for a 2.5 year..
user Vicki Powers@mathcs.emor writes:
>One person recommended buying a player that turns off automatically at the
>end of a tape, otherwise it will wear out the batteries fast.

The year we started investing in battery-powered toys for our son, we
invested in a recharger and multiple sets of rechargeable batteries for
our sanity.  He has 2 toys that require 4 AA batteries each, plus we
have the baby monitor, which requires one 9V.  We have 3 sets of (4) AA
batteries - one for each toy & one for the recharger; we also have 2 9V
batteries - one for the monitor & one for the recharger.  This has
really helps at 3 am when he wakes up and starts calling for "new
batteries" because his tape player died.  We even take the recharger &
batteries on vacation with us, since the tape player is often one of his
"loveys".

Happy holidays!

Laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:00:38 GMT

When my niece Heather (now 14) was born, she had lovely red hair.
We're all lt. brown/blonde but red hair does run in my mom's family.
(I personally would kill for hair her color)  Anyway, when people
would look at my sister and her husband and ask where that hair 
came from, Maria would reply "John travels on business a lot.  
Sometimes he gets rusty."

When Matt was born (now 11) he had red hair and no one asked about 
it.  Oh, red hair.  To be expected.  Then Rachel (now 6) came along 
and had black black hair and it started all over again!

Beth
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       ___  \   O /  ___   A motley fool; a miserable world!
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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby spitting up
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:34:28 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Nov17.182554.21604@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov 
(Diana Choi) writes:
|> A friend of mine has a small baby who spits up LOTS after eating.  He's
|> only about 3 months old and has been doing this for a while.  The doctor
|> says he looks fine...seems to be gaining weight but poor mom gets
|> drenched after almost every feeding.  (He's breastfed).  Anyone else
|> have that problem?  

Yes!

|> Is this something to worry about?

Not if the doctor isn't worried.

My baby has two main hobbies. One is spitting up--the other is eating 
twice as much as he needs so that he has something to spit up. Both
are lots of fun, in his opinion.

Be glad he's breastfed--formula spit-up stinks, and makes nasty black 
stains on clothing. Breastmilk spit-up doesn't even have an odor for 
the first three months, and it doesn't stain at all.

It's kind of handy, as the excess breastmilk produced in response to 
his demand represents a reservoir for when his appetite increases. 
During growth spurts, he hardly spits up at all.

One gets very good with a burp cloth....

By the way, my baby is 6.8 months old and still a terrible spitter. 
The end is not in sight for your friend.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: J.Osborne@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au
Subject: Re: Baby at the beach - advice requested
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:05:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.231504.9226@osf.org> mcg@asdf.osf.org (Michael Gross)
writes:
>
>-Any advice for making the most out of taking a 9 month
>old baby (who can crawl fast and can walk with assistance)
>to the beach.

>P.S.
>We're going to Florida to visit with family over Christmas.
>Beach time is _not_ optional :-).


Wish I was going to Florida for Christmas (sigh!)

Obviously, a big beach umbrella is best. Thin cotton cover-ups especially for
the arms. Over here Nursing Mothers sells a long sleeved cotton T-shirt with
envelope neck called 'Shady Baby' :-). I've bought two for my little boy this
Summer. If you go for the bare-bottomed look (well, not *you* but your baby)
take some thin cotton briefs - baby's bottom skin can get sunburned very
quickly!

Jack enjoys the beach but has a limited enjoyment span. After about an hour of
playing in the sand, going for a paddle etc., he climbs into his pusher to let
me know he's had enough of that game thankyou.

Just think about it - if you don't have molars that grind together, what's so
awful about sand in your food anyway?

Jo