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From: finn@convex.com (Tom Finn)
Subject: Re: What hit me???
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:36:39 GMT
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In article <29JUL199220552919@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> s9971818@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S9971818) writes:
>I was recently wandering around 1150 or 1200 feet (I can't remember
>which) and some nasty invisible creature was draining my experience and
>wailing to cause fear.  Two questions:
>
>1) What the $%^@ was it, anyway?  (besides "annoying")

From my non-encyclpedic store of knowledge I'll say... Banshee.  Or Ghost, I
think.

>2) Since I haven't yet found a ring of see invisible or an SU weapon, is
>   there a way I can deal with it?

Minor spoiler alert...

Ball weapons can help.  Sit in a corner or along a wall, with one space
between you and any walls.  Fire the balls into a wall.  The blast radius
will touch the beastie.

You can also try bashing.  If there's nothing there, it won't use a move to
try; if there is something there it does damage to it, and may stun it.
However it also can put you off balance, and if the beastie recovers first
it gets free hits.
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Wizard's Quest--Chapter 28
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:54:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: zariski.GRABINER.92Jul26155448
Organization: Harvard University Dept. of Mathematics


There is still one spell which I do not know, and it is taking me
forever to learn.  As a wizard of the sixth circle, I need to improve
my magical ability only once more to learn that spell, but I have
defeated five emperor liches and ten ancient dragons since joining the
sixth circle without advancing.

A kobold somehow wanders down here; it's the first kobold I have seen
deeper than the twelfth level of the dungeon, and a kobold won't survive
long at this depth, so I assume that it must have been just been
summoned.  It doesn't stand a chance in melee.

The kobold was carrying an orange potion, which I don't recognize; that
surprises me, as I thought I had seen all types of potions.
Identification works on the first try, and reveals a great prize, a
potion of gain experience.  I gulp it down quickly, and study my spell
book again.  This time, I can work out the spell of genocide; I am now
an arch-mage.

There is a stairway down to the next level, the one above the Balrog's
lair, and I am now ready to take it.  As soon as I enter the new level,
I cast my new spell to obliterate all ancient dragons, and then all
bats.  Ancient dragons are the only creatures here which can kill me,
while bats cause much more trouble than they are worth.

The stairway down is easy to find.  But it leads to the domain of the
Balrog, who can still destroy me with one breath of fire.  Still, I have
a plan; I haste myself before descending, and then climb down.
--
David Grabiner, grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu
"We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary."
"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: awpowell@eos.ncsu.edu (ANTHONY WAYNE POWELL )
Subject: Re: Any Hints?
Originator: awpowell@c00389-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: awpowell@eos.ncsu.edu (ANTHONY WAYNE POWELL )
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:06:31 GMT


> I HAVE AN AMULET OF THE MAGI.  DOES 
> THAT HAVE THE SAME POWERS OF THE CROWN OF THE MAGI?


No, they have very different powers:

Crown of the Magi     +(1-3) int, (RF), (RC), (RA), (RL)
                      [In 4.87, it had see invisible instead of RL]

Amulet of the Magi    free action, see invisible, searching, +3 AC.
                      [no searching bonus in 4.87]

  

Happy Slaying!
From: tpodbury@metz.une.edu.au (Troy Podbury)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Argh!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:53:25 GMT

In article <Brt83s.IJr@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jra37189@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kwyjibo) writes:
> 
> I'd just like to say that 1600 ft is really starting 
> to piss me off!  I have yet to map out the entire
> level at any time...I always end up having to go
> back to the town....all these monsters that drain this
> and that and corrode the other are just starting to get
> to me, and I don't have any ego weapons or anything to
> show for them!  

	This should be evidence that you are going down to quikly, head up
a couple of levels to help you a) get more experience at fighting both as a
				  player (if needed) and as a character.
					Eg experience and gain stat pootions

			       b) to give you a better chance of getting
				weapons and other items ( as you wont be
				running away as often.
and
				c) to let you gain some more spells
				(from memory the next spell is level 29)

>I wish I could at least find some speed
> items of some sort so that fighting these things would
> prove to be effective.

	You will be very lucky to find a speed item before 2000 and more
likely around 2500 and deeper. Obviously you are not ready for that depth yet
so take your time and identify everything. ( do you throw away soft leather
boots??? I know I have....   before.)

							Troy Podbury
						University of New England
							Australia
						tpodbury@metz.une.edu.au
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From: swota@cs.albany.edu (Judith A Swota)
Subject: Re: Getting your stuff back
Originator: swota@odin.albany.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, SUNY at Albany, Albany, NY 12222
	<SWOTA.92Jul28215256@odin.albany.edu>
	<1992Jul29.194617.22663@u.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:17:02 GMT


In posting <...> angus@hardy.u.washington.edu wrote:

> None the less, the idea is intriguing.  Perhaps monsters could even
> use the items they grabbed.  It would give those kobolds at 1500' a
> bit of a survival advantage.
> 
> "The kobold hits you with his Katana (+10,+10) (DF)!  -more-"

Now THAT is a really neat idea!  Although it would probably make the
game even harder to win (as someone who has only won once, and that was
using backups, I find that marginally depressing), still...
-- 
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Judith               | 	A bore is someone who insists on keeping his own
		     | 	 views after we have enlightened him with ours.
swota@cs.albany.edu  |  		      
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From: dbrus.Unify.Com.ceb@unify.uucp (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Usefulness of misc objects
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.ceb@unify.uucp (Caroline E. Bryan)
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, California
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:50:35 GMT

Please help out a novice (email if you prefer):

What earthly use are
	broken shards of pottery
	empty bottle
	filthy rags
	large bone
	other apparent trash whose description escapes me at the moment
??

Thanks for your help!


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com		x 6244  ----------------+
|  I don't belong to any organized political party:  I'm a Democrat.	|
|						-- Will Rogers		|
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From: wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan T2 Wen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Elvish Waybread?
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:03:17 GMT
Reply-To: wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul21.180045.22068@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell) writes:
>	(Incidentally, Moria spells it "waybread," but shouldn't it be
>"wheybread"?)

Read Tolkien.  The Grey Elves created some kind of magical light wafers
called lembas that would fill better than normal cram rations.  They are
used by travellers.  Thus 'waybread'.

-- 
__________  ______
  _|       _\      Stan T2 Wen    wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
  _|     _____/                     chimera@minds.bsd.uchicago.edu
  _|    ________      "I think it was his eye, cold and blue like a vulture's."
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: z0w6103@rigel.tamu.edu (WU, ZUOGUO)
Subject: Re: Ego weapons (and some gripes)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.183953.8443@sei.cmu.edu>, poh@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Hill) writes...
> 
>I was wondering, are ego weapons always rare or are they more common as
>you go down levels?  I'm on level 45 now and the only thing I've found
>is a Foil (FT) 1d5 [+6,+5]  I wouldn't even have bothered to identify it
>except that I was getting really frustrated by not finding anything.

The possibility increases as you go deeper, up to level 55, then it stay 
constant.

>	Another question.  Are Emperor Liches worth the trouble of killing?

If you are a mage, yes. If you are a priest over level 33, yes. Otherwise,
no.

>	Is there any implementation of Alignment in Moria?  I've played Nethack

No, feel free to slay in town, however, you get no experience for killing
town people. Nevertheless, I do like to see Alignment implemented in Moria,
Paladin being lawful, Mage being neutral, Rogue being chaotic etc.

>	I also agree whole heartedly with the idea of getting back what
>Bandits, etc.. steal from you.  At this point I can usually knock them
>off with spells, but when I wasn't quite so powerful they used to soak
>up all my gold and only give back a fraction, if any, of it when they died.

Well, unlike NetHack which nymphs are very annoying there, if you get back 
the items, then the stealing attack is no threat to a character. It's hard
to explain, you'll see this later.

Looks like you are playing a mage, then sleep the bandit first, walk a few
steps away, rest until full mana, strike them to death with spells.
If you don't have sleep spell, magic missile them. When they are a space
away, phase door, get into a line, and magic missile, and goes on and on.
Usually you'll kill the bandit before you run out of mana.

The key point is don't let them ever touch you, you have phase door and 
teleport, this is easy to do. This will also apply to normal speed life
draining creatures (Wraiths and Vampires)
	lightning bolt, lightning bolt, phase door, lightning bolt,
	lightning bolt, phase door, ....	

--- ZGW
From: gjs@aber.ac.uk (Gary John Salter)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: help!
Keywords: Need data for this game!!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:31:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

A week ago a asked some questions about Moria, as soon as I posted
them however our computer went down, so the replies, if any were lost
as news items are only held for s few days. Forgive me please but here they
are again.

1) What are gauntlets of free action?

2) What protection is given by a ring of lordly protection {cold} (+5)?

3) How do you kill ghosts?

These things may be obviouse to those of you with vast experience, but I 
am new to the game, and have only just reached a decent level (25 at 1600ft)
and so many objects are new to me.

Thanks for yor tolerance and help.

Gaz
From: smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon)
Subject: Re: Identifing Stuff (possible SPOILERS!!!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 23 Jul 1992 09:38 EST  

Here's techniques that I use when I identify stuff w/o an identify
spell/scroll....

Potions - Once I'm about 6th level, I generally spend lots of time on
lvls 50-200, going to the shop and stuff.  I will generally pick up 
a LOT of potions during this, and get maybe 3-4 of each type.  It is
safe at this level to try the potions, and I will usually determine all
of the lower ones (up to cure critical), and due to the multiple copies,
I can sell one to the store, and get identify that way.

Scrolls - Same thing.  

Wands - Aim at the first monster you see.  Only 1 or 2 wands are not identified
as such.

Staffs - Try as soon as picked up.  If no obvious effect, go to another
screen and try again.  If no obvious effect, try with monster in the room.

Armor and stuff - Unless sold or truely identifies, this is the hardest stuff.
What I do is to look at the base armor class of the item (ie Hard Leather 
Armor [4]), and the level of the dungeon that I am on.  I use the following..

expected armor class = 3 + (depth/150)

If the armor rating is a lot higher (>3) than this value, I dont try it on
until I have a scroll of remove curse.  I it isnt, I will put it on, and
hope for the best, exspecially if it is just above it.
Extra armor (except headgear), I will try on as soon as I get it if it
exceeds the currently worn one, else I hold on to it..

Rings - Rings are even tougher to ID w/o standard ways.  Again, If I
am doing nothing (just cleared out a lot of monsters, and fully healed),
Ill wear it and look for any effects.

Amulets - Same as rings.

Weapons - I generally wield these if better than my current one.  I will
almost always have several enchant weapon scrolls handy to remove its curse..

Mushrooms - I only eat these if I am moderately hurt (between 50-75% hp left).
If its a curing one, I know, If not, I know.

When ever I have multiple copies of unknowns (>3 for potions and scrolls,
>2 for wands and staffs), I will sell one to get info on the rest... 

Mike Neylon          aka Masem the Great and Almighty Thermo GOD
  // Only the | Univ. of Toledo - Chemical Engineering - Senior
\X/   AMIGA!  |   NASA Lewis Research Center - Summer Intern
\_____________|_____smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov________________/
       -+ How do YOU spell 'potato'?  How about 'lousy'? +- 
      "Me and Spike are big Malcolm 10 supporters."-J.S.,PLCL
From: chore@neumann.une.edu.au (Prince Of Darkness,Silent,Lucidity,.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: New character
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:24:42 GMT
Reply-To: chore@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: chore@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <N4FgoB1w164w@waffle.sns.com>, by hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank):
> I want to start a new character, but I don't want to be a mage.  Anyone have 
> any hints on what character (ie race and class) I can try?



I'm always partial to a Human Ranger myself....but then that's just personal
taste, if i was into warts, i'd be a troll.........


-Chris
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: hankdtank <hank@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Any hints?
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 10:55:00 PDT

I AM A HALF-ELF MAGE WIZARD (3RD) ON LEVEL 33.  MY STRENGTH, INTEL, CON, 
DEX, CHR, AND WIS IS AT LEAST ABOVE 18\60.  DO YOU HAVE ANY HINTS FOR ME WHE
N I GO EVEN DEEPER INTO THE DUNGEON?  WHAT SCROLLS AND WAND DO I NEED?  
WHATIS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WEAPONS TO USE AGAINST DRAGONS AND LICHES.  I HAVE 
USED DRAIN LIFE WANDS AND ACID BALLS AND FIRE BOLTS.  IS THERE ANYTHING THAT 
I AM MISSING?  ALSO WHAT IS THE BEST USE FOR THE DESTRUCTION STAFF AND 
SPELLS.  I ALSO HAVE 100000 PIECES OF GOLD.  WHAT ARMOR DO I NEED.  IN THE 
ARMOR "BAR CHAIN MAIL (-2) [+18,+4]," WHAT DOES THE -2 MEAN?  WHAT IS THE 
BEST WAY TO USE A RUNE OF PROTECTION?  I HAVE AN AMULET OF THE MAGI.  DOES 
THAT HAVE THE SAME POWERS OF THE CROWN OF THE MAGI?  ARE THE GOLDEN CROWNS 
AND JEWLED CROWNS WORTH ANYTHING MAGICALLY BESIDES JUST THE SMALL AMOUNT OF 
PROTECTION AND THE MONEY YOU CAN SELL IT FOR?  I CAN USE ANY HELP.  THANKS.

PS- I'M SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS... I COULDN'T HELP IT.


----
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Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: c8841288@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: Semi-Identify (was, Re: A few changes to Moria ...
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:00:03 GMT

In article <josh.711650173@mowgli>, josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
> WRT not having identify as a priest:
> 
> (Minor spoiler)
>
> You can simply try on the unidentified weapon or armor. If
> it's cursed ("oops! It feels deathly cold!"), simply remove
> curse and drop the damn thing. Saved yourself wasting one
> identify scroll.
> 
> This is really obvious, but it's astounding how many people
> continue to waste identify's on cursed items.
> 
> Warning: Don't try this with headgear. Trust me on this.
> 
> Josh
> --

Yes yes
I know all the tricks, I used them.
But that still leaves about 60% of non-cursed items which you don't
know what the hell they do.

Ok call me greedy but I simply MUST know everything I find!

Thanks for all the suggestions though.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

	=== Honorius === (Level 36 Cleric with Spell of Identify)

	" Ghosts really take it up the a** (do da do da) "

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jason Quarry
Uni of Newcastle
Oz.
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Source for Mac Umoria
From: epoo1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Edouard Malachi     Poor           )
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:09:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <92210.12003434A6J53@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> CHUCK WILLIAMS <34A6J53@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>Hello to all you Balrog Bashers,

>Does anyone know if the code for Purple X's Moria has been released yet?

Nope, it hasn't, but it will be released hopefully soonish to somewhere like
alt.sources.games (or is that comp.sources.games?) as the full 5.4.0
source with the windowing additions of the Archimedes and Mac ports cleanly
intergrated into it. This should help, say, windows 3.1 programmers to
also port the windowed aspects easily.

Edouard
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: s9971818@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S9971818)
Subject: What hit me???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:55:00 GMT

I was recently wandering around 1150 or 1200 feet (I can't remember
which) and some nasty invisible creature was draining my experience and
wailing to cause fear.  Two questions:

1) What the $%^@ was it, anyway?  (besides "annoying")
2) Since I haven't yet found a ring of see invisible or an SU weapon, is
   there a way I can deal with it?

Now for a true story:

Wandering on level 1150, I find a wand of polymorph.  Wanting to find something
to use it on, I find a mold, which was unaffected, so I killed it.  Soon after,
I find a centipede and another mold.  The centipede was polymorphed into some
bat, worth less than half the experience of the centipede.  Upon killing it,
I decide to try ONE MORE TIME on the mold.  Suddenly a V apears and is moving
toward me.  OOPS!  It was a King Vampire, no less.  I high-tailed it to the
stairs as fast as I could, and barely escaped with 11 hit points.  Needless
to say, I junked the wand...

-=> Jonathan <=-
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: vulch@cix.compulink.co.uk (Anthony Frost)
Subject: Elvish Waybread?
Reply-To: vulch@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:19:00 +0000


 
  > So, like, what's it do? 
 
Food and a cure (light?) wounds from the last time I ate some...
 
         Anthony

Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:35:26 -0400 
From: "Kenneth E. Mohnkern" <km2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Getting your stuff back


Here's a gripe or suggestion for future versions or just a chance to
vent some steam...

What happens to the stuff that a Brigand (for example) steals from your
pack? Why can't I take it back after I toast the sleezy little
orc-lover? He took two books of magic (I had replacement copies, thanx
to netters' tips), a staff, and who knows what else - about 25 pounds of
stuff! These critters must take it and eat it or something. I guess
we're not dealing with reality here, so I should just learn to live with
it. 

Excuse the rant and rave. I feel a little better now.

have a pleasant day,
    ken
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: donald@convex.com (Don Dodson)
Subject: Re: clone Mr B.
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:02:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In posting <...> usenet@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (USENET News System)  wrote:
| I am really disappointed :-(
| I worked my Dwarven Priest all the way up to level 40 because I wanted
| him to be the first (well, locally) character to kill not one but two
| Balrogs. He was fully loaded with everything to take on a couple of
| Balrogs at a time, but whenever he cloned Mr. B, the second (and third..)
| B's disappeared after a few 'rounds'. They just seemed to teleport away
| but after I finished the first B, I searched the whole level but found
| nothing.  
| 
| So, why won't the game allow me my triumph?  Is it a bug, a feature ?

The Balrog kills any monster that he happens to step onto.  This includes
other Balrogs.  So, if you have two Balrogs, you must make sure that one
does not step onto the other.

Don
From: t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Scroll of *foo*
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:54:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Center, Sophia Univ., Tokyo, Japan

I occasionally find scroll of *Enchant armor*, *Enchant weapon*
etc. but they act just like usual scrolls of that sort.
What's the difference?
-- 
Tsuyoshi Yamashiki, lost boy in cyber space.
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: 10563563@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ARTHUR GIANNAKIS)
Subject: Zwiehander
Keywords: Do HA's exist?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:22:43 GMT

I once read somewhere (can't exactly remember the reference) that, in the 
author's opinion, that the Two Handed Sword (Zwiehander) (HA) is the best 
weapon a character could hope to find. I've played moria for a while, any 
found many HA's, including Two Handed Swords but none of the Zwiehander type.
Apparently, since the weapons weight is greater than 28 pounds, you can 
achieve *GREAT* hits with it. Has anyone found one of these 'legendary' 
weapons? Do they even exist? I have a 39th level rogue and I'm down to about 
the 3700ft level and have found LOTS of Zwiehanders......none of them HA's.
It's since become an obsession with me to find this HA to the point where 
killing the Balrog gives me no thrill at all. Can anyone put me out of my 
misery and verify if this weapon exists or not....................


				THANX The Metallian.........
From: gjs@aber.ac.uk (Gary John Salter)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: help !!
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:35:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


    I have recently aquired a set of gauntlets of free action. Can anyone tell 
me please what these are/do. Also I have considerable difficuly in killing
ghosts, my method to date consists of polymorphing then into a slower,visable
opponent and than killing that. Because they are so fast though this method 
usually costs me a lot of experience, and potions of restore life levels 
are hard to find, thus any better methods would be appreciated.

   Thanks in advance,

      Gaz