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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Date: 1 Jan 1993 04:07:58 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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In article <1992Dec31.235717.13782@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
)And for Sandman, we get a standalone seven-page story, rather than a
)two-page preview:  "Fear of Falling".  (What Todd doesn't mention in
)the last panel is that when he awoke he'd forgotten how. :-)

	Incidentally, when I used to read alt.dreams back when it was
newly created, the consensus was that the "die in dreams, die in reality"
idea was only a myth. There were several people on the group who had had
dreams in which they died, even ones who had had dreams in which they 
were falling, and hit the ground. Just thought you'd all like to know.

)Death:  A three-issue miniseries.  Don't miss this.  The art is
)attractive, if crowded, the scripting is pure Gaiman, and Death
)is acting in character.  (It looks as though there's a "someone
)nasty's out to get her" subplot.  What happens if Death is killed
)on her day off?)

	That was Mad Hettie plotting to kill her, wasn't it? Last seen
either in _Sandman_ #2 or else in an issue of _Swamp Thing_ shortly
afterwards.

)Dani Zweig

-- 
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From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Fave Fabian? (was Re: Fave Writers)
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:26:59 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>> Fabian Nicieza  -- New Warriors

>I haven't read New Warriors because I didn't know Nicieza was writing it. 
> I must read it.  This guy's writing is superb.

>He's on my list for other comics, particularly Nomad.

Hmm?  Elizabeth, I'd like to know just what it is about Fabian's writing
that you find superb.  

I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's any better than average.
What have I missed?



-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
From: mamcconnell@happy.colorado.edu (Mark (MacBear) McConnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:26:22 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1hnjrnINNkce@uwm.edu>, ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg) writes:

> LSH - 	       Someday, somehow, someone will return to us the Legion of
> 	       old.  Has there ever been a good comic story involving clones?
> 	       If so, I've yet to find it.

Read Superboy starring the Legion of Super-Heroes #203.  This story 
involves Invisible Kid and Ferro Lad.  It is still one of my favorite
stories that I have read.

mam

-- 
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mamcconnell@uccs.edu         | 
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Barry Allen Is Back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:41:49 EST

<JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> Yes!  It's about time.  Barry Allen is back in the newest edition of Flash.
> He comes home for Christmas and it is a total shocker to me.  I've been

So what details from Crisis still remain?  Seems to me most of the 
changes have been reversed, except (a) Ma and Pa Kent are still alive and 
(b) we have to wait till Superman comes back to know for sure how he will 
be then.

Is anyone still dead and gone?

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:13:37 GMT

In article <DVm5VB2w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>> why this big hub-hub about Destruction leaving?  Certainly there are planets
>> where war and such are still kicking in full force (ie. Apokolypse(sp)).
>> 	Or, is this just "one of those things" that Neil didn't really think
>> out, and as subsequent issues have alluded to, the Endless and their
>> mythos are earth-bound?
>Nonsense!  Dreams didn't end when Dream was captured, they simply went 
>out of control.  Destruction's disappearance on Earth doesn't mean that 
>we have no Destruction, and goodness knows "war and such are still 
>kicking in full force" right here on our Earth.  (Look at Croatia, 
>Lebanon, Madagascar, East Timor, Solamia, etc. etc. etc.)  It means not 
>that Destruction is LESS but that there is no guiding force to give it 
>meaning or limitation.

A problem with using wars on Earth as an example of the lack of a guiding force
of Destruction is that these other planets have had wars far more destructive
than our own, yet at the time of those wars Destruction had not yet left.
The problem is not that these planets have wars after Destruction left, but
that they had the same kind of wars both before and after.

Sandman, basically, works only if you ignore the existence of other planets
except for a few references like the Martian Manhunter one, and ignore the
existence of most other cultures on Earth.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Desert Peach, Mu and other funness..
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:45:17 EST

silver@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nina Karp) writes:

> If you like Milk & Cheese-ish types of things, you'd probably like Critturs.
> I don't know what my favorite bits are, but it's either the martial-arts film
> ('Frying Fists of Furry') or a profound little bit called 'Everybody's Fuckin
> Except You.'


It sounds great!  But I have to wait till my comic store opens again 
tomorrow....

Namaste,
Elizabeth



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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: LSH #40, Squires and pages....
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:37:50 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen):
>Who's the green dude?  Pulsar Stargrave?

I wondered about that:  The skin color is right, but the nose is wrong. :-)


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From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Re: Clone Stories (Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992)
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:27:40 GMT

In article <5JiLwB12w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>
>> 	The Gwen Stacy clone story from Amazing Spider-Man 140ish.  The first
>> 		significant clone-as-returns-from-dead story, as far as I
>> 		know, and well handled.  The clone didn't remember the last
>> 		few months of her life, couldn't really replace the dead
>> 		original, and exited stage left once everything was explained,
>> 		since she didn't want to deal with anyone who'd know her
>> 		before her originator's death.
>
>Surely you jest.  I remember that as the lowest point to which the 
>Spider-Man series ever sunk.

No, no, surely *you* have forgotten (or never read) some of those issues
in the 270's with great villians like the skate-board riding "Rocket
Racer."  Truely stupid stuff.

I actually really liked the "clone" issues and those surrounding it.
OF course, it's been a long time since I've read them so maybe they'd
seem a bit dated now ..

David Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu
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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: Nature of Phoenix and the Multiverse
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:48:57 GMT

jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes
>>    Marvel seems to be playing with the 'go back in your own past and create
>>a new timeline' idea {reprecented by Bishop}, the 'you can only enter into 
>>another Earth's past' {Represented by Rachel Summers and Guardians of the 
>>Galaxy}

>Those two concepts are actually the same. (The reason you can't enter your
>own past is that your presence *creates* a divergence.)
It appears that I failed to properly explain the difference between these two
consepts so here goes.  In the 'go back in your own past and create a new 
timeline' things are as James Willer descibes them: the travelers very
present changes history.  What makes this different from the 'you can only 
enter another Earth's past' is that the history before the traveler's 
arrival is the same as the one they know and only changes AFTER their
arrival.  In the cases of both Rachel Summers and the Guardians of the 
Galaxy latest trip back in time history had changed BEFORE either of 
had arrived.  Take Rachel's world for instance, since Phoenix never existed
in this world (Excalibur #52) its history had diverged long before
Kate Pryde or Rachel showed up to change history. 
Maybe the idea would be better stated as 'you can only enter another
Earth's past that diverged before you arrived'
Comments welcome
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Miracleman (was Re: Lucien's Last Theorem)
Keywords: It's a miracle!
Organization: MiracleSquids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:37:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.182523.8731@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
>In <1i0dd3INNhf@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>
>>	Didn't someone post a little while back, quoting Mr. G
>>as saying on GEnie that he and Mark Buckingham were not going to
>>submit any new work to Eclipse until they were paid for the work
>>they had done already?
>
>[sig removed]
>  
>  Yeah, that was me.  If I remember right, he finally got paid - 
>further delays are now the fault of Eclipse entirely, since I
>believe they have the material.

Ah, Our Man at GEnie. (Apologies to Dexter Gordon)

Any guess on how many issues they have submitted? I'm guessing they're
probably doing it one at a time, but you never know. 

For the record, Eclipse has solicited through issue #28. (It was supposed
to come out in November.) The last issue to see the light of day was #23.
That was about three or four months ago, wasn't it?

Meanwhile, Eclipse is marketing a TPB collection of Miracleman: Apocrypha
(for a lot more than you'd pay for the three individual issues) and a 
hardcover collection of the same collection. 

At the moment, the folx at Eclipse seem hung up on cards and and old Volvos.
They certainly don't seem concerned with publishing any comics.

I was going to answer the original question, (What is Miracleman), but 
there isn't enough room in this post. B{)

----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Just as I was lining up on the Me 109's tail
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  I got a good look into the cockpit. You won't
     These are days of     |  believe what I saw. Bloody Jerrys have peanuts
     miracle and wonder    |  flying fighters!"    _Biggles meets Mr Peanut_
From: zardoz@sycom.mi.org (David Lillard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject:  Indie Distribution Discounts 
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! V0.975
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:37:39 EST
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange

As a small-press Comics & SF Publisher, ex-Shop Owner/Manager, etc., etc. 
I *must* take exception to what Mr. Cowling said in a recent post.  MOST
publishers do NOT set the discounts to the distributors.  It is a negotiable
factor in the business of Comic Books.  However, in *practice* it is the
DISTRIBUTOR who determines what the discount will be - especially to a new
or small publisher.  Besides *requiring* AT LEAST 60% off, the distributor
may *request* that the publisher also pay the shipping costs of the product
to each of the warehouses.  Because the distributors now have a virtual
"lock" on whether or not a book has even a chance of success, the small-
press publisher is at a disadvantage when dealing with the distributors. I
can recall a time when I was giving the distributors 60% discount, paying
for shipping to warehouses, giving additional discounts for payment within
90 days, etc. AND one distributor had the audacity to only give its 
dealers a 25% discount - blaming its increased costs.  What Costs??!!  I
was practically giving them away!!!

Don't blame the small-press publishers.  Most of us do it as a labor of love.
Though it wouldn't hurt if we could make a few schekles.  

The main fault lies in the system itself.  It evolved without guidance.  It
needs a major event to cause it to change.  Can a Color version of Black and
White September (the great implosion) be far away?  With the deterioration
of the marketplace by displaced Card Investors & others, I don't think so.
Just my opinion, of course.

The only real winners, right now, are the major publishers.  Everyone else,
especially the fans, are the losers - even those who are making money, for
now.

Happy Holidays, Dave.
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Date: 22 Dec 1992 14:45:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Elizabeth Holden (panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca) writes:

>visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>
>> 	Spawn - If you can get past all the noise and all the various
>> 		personalities/issues surrounding image, this is a good
>> 		book. 
>
>What, really?  I've been trying, but I've been having trouble getting 
>past the verbiage and the gore.  What makes you call it "good"?

I'd peg it as truly mid-line.  The first four issues were average, with
exceptional coloring; the 5th issue was crap; the 6th was slightly below
average.  The coloring and the promise of the writers to come keeps me
buying it; McFarlane's caricature-artwork does not.

>- The Hacker Files
>  Also clever, with subtle characterization and good plots.  There was a 
>twist in the latest issue that delighted me, and I never saw it coming.

And with the *worst* art this side of the cash-in-on-the-Turtles-boom/bust.
Sutton and Buckingham should be ashamed of their work on this series; after
#4's "zombie generals of the Pentagon" (Eiling, especially, looked dead), I
couldn't justify spending another dime on the title.

>"Tales of the Closet" (which fills the gap left when Zot! disappeared,
>though I don't know how regularly it's published.)

About twice a year, I think.  Your best bet to find issues will be your
local gay bookstore, of pick up a recent issue of Gay Comics (which is *also*
hard to find), which should have the address in it.  Incidentally, the last
couple issues of Gay Comics had tangential "Tales from the Closet" pieces in
them, as well as a Desert Peach story in #16.

------------------------------
                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Miracleman (was Re: Lucien's Last Theorem)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:25:23 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1i0dd3INNhf@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:

>In article <1992Dec31.054547.29546@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>)ObRACM: Where the hell is MiracleMan?
>)-- 
>)Andrew Solovay    

>	Didn't someone post a little while back, quoting Mr. G
>as saying on GEnie that he and Mark Buckingham were not going to
>submit any new work to Eclipse until they were paid for the work
>they had done already?

[sig removed]
  
  Yeah, that was me.  If I remember right, he finally got paid - 
further delays are now the fault of Eclipse entirely, since I
believe they have the material.

-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Hulk, Cerebus and other stuff like Barry Allen
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:14:45 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen):
>Gee, what's eating Val?

That's the Obligatory Fight Scene.



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From: amcomics@athena.mit.edu (Alan B Meisler)
Subject: Re: Canadian Distributors
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:12:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.075510.15381@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca 
(JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>In his last post, Jim states:
>> Certainly.  But Usagi Yojimbo doesn't REALLY sell.  Not even as well as
>> Conan.
>
>No, but marketed properly, its sales could increase tenfold. Think about
>it - a well drawn funny animal comic with serious concepts. Stan Sakai
>has worked for Groo. If your store carries 30 copies of Groo, it should
>be carrying 15 copies of Usagi. There is a crossover of interest here
>that should not be ignored.

Another factor is price. I haven't picked either USAGI or GROO in a while
but last time I did, USAGI was about 3 times as expensive. Many readers are
on budget. (And lots more don't like black & white. Their loss.)
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Future Imperfect -- in jokes
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 06:31:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1hmbj6INNoab@agate.berkeley.edu>

Ah, but how many of you spotted Waldo in the crowd scene on pages 2-3?

PAD
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From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Keywords: Bad comics 
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:12:40 GMT

In article <Bzut2D.F8M@ais.org> saab@ais.org (Micheal Marks) writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.225149.7150@utagraph.uta.edu> hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:
>>Now that the end of the year is upon us, how about some nominations for
>>the book that has sunk the lowest for this past year?  That is, the
>>book that has fallen off the most in terms of quality (however you
> 
>I agree that FF is in a downer, but I don't remember it being good this
>year.

That's true ... I guess it was foremost in my mind because it has been
my favorite book in the past.  So, I'll change my vote to SHIELD, as
suggessted by some other posters.  The Chichester/Guice issues were
really promising.  Now the book is just plain vanilla.     

For "honorable mention" I think I'd go along with those who mentioned
the superman books.  I wouldn't give them the award, though, because I
think what has happened there is not symptomatic of a book going
bad but of larger things related to the incompetant mangement team
at DC ... 

David Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu
From: wchong@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Will)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: Jurgens leaving JLA - Yea!
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:00:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


	I just read over in Bill Hayes' Comics-L that DC upper management
was not satisfied with Jurgens performance on JLA and that his last issue
will be in April or May.

		REJOICE!

	No word on who will be taking over....please let Giffen & DeMatteis
come back.  If not, I'd like to see Ostrander, Alan Grant, Bill Loebs, or
Roger Stern have a shot at it.


						Will
					wchong@stern.nyu.edu
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Fave Fabian? (was Re: Fave Writers)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 09:18:11 EST

cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:

> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> 
> >> Fabian Nicieza  -- New Warriors
> >I haven't read New Warriors because I didn't know Nicieza was writing it. 
> > I must read it.  This guy's writing is superb.
> 
> Hmm?  Elizabeth, I'd like to know just what it is about Fabian's writing
> that you find superb.  
> 
> I don't think he's bad, but I don't think he's any better than average.
> What have I missed?
> 

Well, he takes the standard formula for action comics and manages to put 
in a real sense of personality in the characters he shows - even 
tangential walk-on characters.  He doesn't deal in stereotypes.  The 
dialogue is unusually smooth and realistic (and lacking excess verbiage) 
and the plots revolve around plausible and realistic issues - people 
coping with complex moral questions, not just fighting a vicious villain 
because he punched first.

It's a lot more thoughtful than most action stories in this world.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM (zombie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD & Pros
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:28:47 GMT
Organization: None of your business
Distribution: world
Reply-To: zombie@EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com

In article CB6@queernet.org,  rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.192851.9602@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec23.161927.60419@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:
>>>>This puts the comics writer who works in the big two mold in a hard
>>>>place.  His audience is *not* the adult reader, and to follow the
>>>          ^ (A SORT OF SEXIST STATEMENT, ISN'T IT?)
>>
>>It isn't.
>
>To those of us who believe that the maculine and neuter third-person
>singular pronoun are no longer acceptably spelled the same, it is.

Amen.  PC sucks.

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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:26:07 GMT
Organization: Interleaf

In article <1992Dec17.161155.13458@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>I don't know, it probably would be.  Although I've got a hunch that's
>where Chris Claremont came up with his "no one in Usenet likes me" line...

Nope, that predates Peter's arrival on the net by several years. Claremont
got a bad opinion based on the hardcopies that used to be passed around
the Marvel offices in the mid-80s. Let's just say he really didn't like
Tim Maroney...

"Um, we were wondering. If we, say, for instance, oh...just left, would you 
guys consider that 'trying something'?"
"Oh, YEAH. If you leave, that'd be escaping. Clearly grounds for us to beat you
up."  --Damage Control vs. the New Warriors
tyg  tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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