From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Suzanne hateful? NOT !! 
Organization: Stay Awake Software
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:11:33 GMT

<1992Sep24.232238.2252@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) :
><1-7nmdf.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>><1992Sep17.222754.12556@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>>>From article by bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig):
>>>> What does euthanasia (mercy killing) have to do with abortion?
>>>
>>>Both are the killing of those in a society who are weak, for the simple
>>>reason that they _are_ weak, and the arrogant of that society don't want to
>>>be bothered caring for them.
>>
>>It's unfortunate that you waited until now to post this as it would have
>>made an exellent addition to the Forgach Chronicles of Utter Nonsense and
>>Ignorance.  It's obvious that you've either never had a close friend or
>>family member lingering in pain from a terminal illness, or you have no
>>compassion for any person older than 5 years.
>
>That's the vast minority of all euthanasia cases. 

That's pretty much the definition of 'euthanasia', Steve.  If it's not
done out of mercy and/or respect for the person then it's technically 
not euthanasia.

>                                                  Take a look at Susan
>Busalacchi.. she's not suffering from a terminal illness or horrendous
>pain (such as seeing Susan Garvin's face in the morning), yet her
>father wants to kill her. (And yes, she was photographed looking right
>at the camera and moving, in a press photo during this controversy.) 

Somehow I doubt that this case is that simple.  I've never heard of Susan
Busalacchi or her father, but knowing you I think you've over-simplified
for emotional appeal.

>THAT'S why we don't want euthanasia in America: It will give parents
>the right to kill their own kids if they get sick or are somehow
>retarded, or it will give kids the right to kill their own parents if
>they become sick or whatever.

No it won't.  I understand your concern - you are afraid that your parents
might realize what a horror they loosed on the world and might try to
terminate you.  But we already have laws against that sort of thing, and
each euthanasia case goes before a judge.

>>Hey Peter!  This is another example of Suzanne's hatefulness.
>
>Hey, euthanasia was first legalized in Nazi Germany, the way we're
>seeing it coming to America now. 

I doubt very much if Nazi Germany was the first civilization to allow
terminal or mortally injured people to die with respect.  Ancient Japan
had several situations where an individual could end his life if he lost
respect through injury or action.  A few of the Native American tribes also
had customs whereby the suffering spirit could be liberated from a mortally
wounded warrior or an ancient man or woman.

Again, you make an emotional appeal to support your weak argumentation.

>And you're calling its OPPONENTS hateful? 

Yes.  To make yourself feel good about not taking a human life you'd be
willing to let that individual suffer agony and loss of dignity.  That is
hateful because you think only of yourself.

>BTW, I know some fools out there will make the foolish attempt at
>flaming me for making the Nazi connection with Euthanasia. But I have
>a warning for you: It's a documented fact that it started in Nazi
>Germany. 

It's technically bullshit, as usual.

[my sig deleted since it's repeated below anyway]
>Yeah, Gordon REALLY needs to go back to his fantasy land with all
>THESE fantasies. 

One man's fantasies are another man's realities.  At least I don't
fantasize about being a fictional inhuman race of cyborgs.


Gordon
Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Muriel, 
Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress), and
Beth and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it.
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