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From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: united
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92313.225742IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes...
>Organization: University of Maine System
>Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 17:19:03 EST
>From: <IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>Message-ID: <92313.171903IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>Subject: let's help each other
> 
>Today I got a message that some chinese scholars and students have
>founded an organization "North American Geologist Association"?(some
>thing like that)> I think it is a very good start since right now
>the students like me who are not covered by S1216 need to be organized
>desperately in order to face our tough situation.
>I believe most of the chinese students who got here not so long and had
>not strong enough social relation suffered a lot about job hunting or
>legal immigration status preservation.We need help.
>Again I believe it is better to beg to ourself than to other people.
>Any way we are not stupid. If we start to work togather in stead of
>complaint ,waiting and panic-stricken, our life will be more positive
>and new chinese students can suffer less. I don'n want isolate ourself
>from the   help provided by other group of people.Relying on ourself
>should be the most important.
>I hope the chinese students who are majored in social science can give
>us some better ideas and can put forward some detail suggestion about
>how to organize us and how this orgnization should function.
> 
>We are weak,so we should be united. Learn something from Japanese.



It is always a right thing to do to be united with other people with the
same background. But the statement that some Chinese students need to be united
together because they are not covered by S1216 is really confusing to me.
Those covered by S1216 are just luckier than you and also all other aliens 
who are seeking PR in the States. You are not as lucky as people of that group
but neither are you in such a bad situation that you need to cry for help.
The normal conduit is still open for you and ,of course, all other PR seekers.
Unless it is your feelings of loneliness and frustration ,because many have 
left the same situation you are in by a PR Express and left you behind, that
makes you feel so bad, I can't help but ascribe this to jealousy. The most
important thing for Chinese to learn from Japanese or even Korean is nothing
but being not jealous towards your brother's good luck.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where to buy a PAL video camera?
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:08:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: uxa.BxL21L.90y
Distribution: na
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <92316.101330XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>1) P.R.China
>2) HongKong
>3)Japan
>4)...
>...
4. Germany
5. Dutch
....
Tingli Pan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD for Mr. H. Anonymous - Learn from Geshu (13)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:09:00 GMT
Followup-To: na
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <101672@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>This is again a forwarding.
>
>=============================================================
>  Learn from Geshu (XIII)
                     ^^^^

is this ever going to end?  ;->  I enjoyed the first 8 or so ...

Did I brought up GeShu Han first?  now I feel a little bit sorry.  

[......] 
>
>(To be continued)

Not!  
>-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:36:09 GMT

In article <BxFHGM.4sH@cs.psu.edu> anthony@phys.psu.edu (Mai Haigiu) writes:

>No, not as what you said. I do not feel jealous but sadness. In China the
>people are all equal. I do not feel as a slave. But in America here every
>thing remind me that I am a foreigner and I DO NOT have any of the rights
>the Americans have. (I do not mean the vote because I do not think we should
>have the right of vote). It is here that I feel more like a slave than I do
>in China. I was supressed in China. But I am supressed more here in USA.
>
>--HAMLET

What does your father do in China?

I feel equal to those Gao1Gang4Zi3Di4 only after I came to this country.
I met a lady from Rong Yiren's company in 1988. Her father was a very
big potato in China. She was very honest or blunt. She said that all
people in her office were from at least family of minister's level.
Of course they make a lot of money.

One of my former friend complainted that his father had a much better
car (Benz) than what he drove in this country. His family had several
guards and servants. You know what, his father was a provincial head
in Jiangxi.

I never felt inferior in this country except I cannot vote the President,
but I cannot vote for President in China either. 

I am sorry if you feel like a slave here. Go out and try something and
see if you can make a decent living. But if you expect the treatment
of GGZD in China, there is little chance you would win.
From: Carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: A joke (in ping2ying2)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:34:05 GMT

In article <Bx9Dvy.FF4@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
writes:
> 2000 Nian2, Zhai4 Yi1 Ge4 Gie1Shen1Shi3 Li3, Ye1 Ge4 Mei3Li4de Mei3Guo2 Yin1
> Er Lai2Dao4 Ren2Gian1. Tu1 Ran Da4 Ku1 Qi3 Lai2: Fan4 Xia4 Wo3, Shong4 Wo3
> Hui2 Qiu4. Wo3 Bu4 Xiang3 Huan2 Guo2 Zhai4!

Why don't you use English. Let me translate it for you (my English is not very  
good though).

In the year 2000, a beautiful American baby comes to the world. Suddenly,  
she/he cries loudly: Let me go back! Put me back in! I don't want to pay the  
national debt!

Carl

P.S. Mr. Shi, if you don't like American, you don't have to be so "implicit".
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30292 soc.culture.taiwan:15297
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: [week] when does a week start
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:35:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Nov8.011435.19952@leland.Stanford.EDU>
chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>
>     Most people think that a week starts on Sunday, right?  They
>look at their wall calendars from China and England and the U.S.A. and
>say ah! it must start on Sunday.  But it actually starts on Monday.
>How come China is so slow in knowing it and changing its calendars?
>
>					*Zhong* Qi-Iao (Mr.)

Ahhhhh, but you see, the Chinese *DO* starting a week on a
Sunday!!!  Like any good computer scientists would know, you
always start counting with ZERO!!!  So Monday, pronounced
"lee3-bai4-e1", is really the second day of the week!!!  :) :) :)

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: GATT&MFN and puzzling American policy
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:12:25 GMT

In article <101457@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <BxIE5n.HAC@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>(deleted)
>>Low RMB rate helps export in some sense, but it hurts import of hi-tech,
>>human resource exchange etc. The RMB rate has to be raised back to 
>>reflect the purchasing ability some time, but not necessarily now.
>
>Old Lix is available whenever needed. Please raise the rate as you prefer,
>I change as much RMB into US$$$ as you prefer, then I change US$$$ into
>RMB in a free-exchange center in Shanghai or Beijing. The difference will be
>donated to SOS China Education Fund, thanks for your help.

For this reason, it can not be done now. However, at least US$1bn had become
wealth storage method in China. This kind of demand of "hard currencies"
should shrink when RMB goes higher. 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:23:33 GMT

>The election precedure of the IFCSS president is VERY similar to 
>the US president election. 

No, the sentence should have been "a little closes to an indian 
chief election IN THE PAST." :-)

>First US president election: each state chooses electors who will
>vote for the voters in the state. These electors will meet and cast
>votes in December in Washington DC. The votes from the electors are
>called electoral votes. The popular votes may be different than the
>electoral votes, which happened to the 11th and 29th presidents. 

But Bush totally lost his hope, since the votes are just symbolic.

>The IFCSS president election: each school chooses electors who will 

I don't know about a few other universities that had students attend
the meeting. But the "delegation" from ISU was NOT picked up by election.

>vote for the voters in the school. These electors will meet and cast
>votes in the IFCSS conference. There is no manpower to calculate the
>popular votes so they are usually unknown.
>
>[ School = the Chinese Students and Scholar Association in the school. ]
>
>This year, Bill Clinton only receives 43% of the popular votes and only
>54% of people voted. I wonder if Bill Clinton only represents 43% times
>54% = 23% of Americans. 

A good calculation. But
the elected president is supposed to be the represent of his people, 
while IFCSS is just an organization. This was an old topic that had been
discussed a couple of months ago.

A careful answer: IFCSS CAN BE the represent of its unfixed members, like 
a party in a country .
From: dzhuo@clyde.ics.uci.edu (Dongpei Zhuo)
Subject: Re: [week] when does a week start
Summary: The answer is Saturday (in some places)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Reply-To: dzhuo@ics.uci.edu (Dongpei Zhuo)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.203054.21765@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com (kenw) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.011435.19952@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>>     [Temas pri la komenco de la semajno.]
>>
>>     Most people think that a week starts on Sunday, right?  They
>>look at their wall calendars from China and England and the U.S.A. and
>>say ah! it must start on Sunday.  But it actually starts on Monday.
>>How come China is so slow in knowing it and changing its calendars?
>>
>>					*Zhong* Qi-Iao (Mr.)
>
>A week starts on Sunday by tradition, just likes a week has seven days. The Bible says that
>God created the world in six days and he rested on Saturday. Saturday becomes the sabbath day
>of Jews, intended for rest and worship of God. However, Christians consider Sunday as the
>sabbath day because Jesus Christ resurrected on Sunday morning. Believe or not, the world was
>created on the first Sunday not Monday.
>
>I sometime wonder how our ancestors have survived without weekend, :-).

Here is an interesting fact, in case you don't know:

I asked my Persian friend a minute ago. He said that in Iran Friday
is the holiday of the week. In Iranian calendars the week starts on Saturday.

Dongpei Zhuo
University of California, Irvine
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:20:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <PI.92Nov10122857@spica.bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>
>* Contemporary Chinese people, in general, have been losing their 
>  morality.
>
>  The most typical example: if one guy rushes to a bus in order to get on 
>  first, regardless tens of others waiting on the line, the others will
>  all rush to the bus too if they are Chinese. (What Would other people
>  do if they are not Chinese?) This happens almost everywhere, such as
>  restaurants, theaters, shopping places, ...you name it.
>
I was in the line buying ticket to forbidden city. Some one cut me in.
The ticket seller yelled me: why you squeezed into line? I said he was
the person squeezed in. The ticket seller wouldn't sell ticket to that guy.
He turned to me: I just don't want to get into the line, what do you want
to do about it? (acted as if wanting to fight me)

In the trip to Huangshan, I encountered many faculty members from some
university of Shanghai who tended to squeeze into the line without waiting
at the cable car station. They were one hour behind me, but squeezed in
ahead of me. They were not shamed as of  university teachers. 

>  Another typical example: Chinese people care about very little public 
>  environment. No matter which city you go, the most smell and dirty area 
>  is ...you name it. 
>
On the trip from Chongqing to Wuhan, I tended to save gabage into can so
that the janitor could take it away. But, the janitor just dumped the trash
into the river directly. So, as well as most of the ferry passengers.
It seems the Yantz River has been polluted enough, but nobody cares.

These symptons are rarely happen in current Taiwan. But, in mainland of
China, people seem to have become another race.
From: shicheng@ruflie.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:05:12 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <Bx8460.Cu0@nic.umass.edu> usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu
(CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR) writes:
>
>I was not implying Bill Clinton did the wrong thing in Moscow. But his conduct
>did become an issue in the election even though he was against the evil Vietnam
>War. 
>
	Wrong. It is the desperate Bush who wanted it became an issue.
	Did you watch the debate in Richmond? Did you remember how a
	common citizen rejected a decent president as he tried to do so?
	I remember a Washinton Post article said "That's the desperate
	president's street fighting." Poor George.  

	American people have their standard for character. Did you
	remember Nixon's resignation? They don't need you tell them
	what's good and what's bad, because you don't know,
	but they know.
>
>Just imagine what could happen if Bill Clinton ever begged Russian's protection
>claiming possible persecution back home for his anti-war stance.
>
	Wrong too. If US gvnmt had killed its people using tanks and
	machine guns, and prisoned students who took part in peace
	demonstrations, and suppressed its people continously,
	and if Russia had been a democratic country then,
	he would have seeked protection too. He would have
	been right too.
>
>There is no excuse for you to hurt your country. This is universal.
>
	Chinese students in US did not hurt China. It is a crime group
	in China that has hurted China. It has supressed Chinese people
	and destroyed Chinese Culture.
>
>Do not be a dodger.    Face the shame.
>
	Most of Chinese students will contribute to China except you. If
	you are a Chinese, don't hide behind a strange letter stream
	CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR.. That's a typical dodger's behavior.
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Congratulations, Bill.
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:46:15 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Nov6.163223.1309@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.125436.3430@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>
>>  Bill Clinton is elected. However, he need to wait for another two
>>months before he can take the job. Many things could happen during
>>this two months time. If, say, Mr Clinton unfortunately die in an 
>>accidence (God bless Bill) during this period, who would be the next
>>US president ?
>>
> 
> Don't you think your question is so naive ? It will be the vice president
> to be the new president, so it's Al Gore, not a bad choice.
> 
> Yi-Chieh

Not so fast. Before Clinton taking up that position, the vice president
is Quayle, not Gore.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Subject: Re: Who is God
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:20:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.024420.7561@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>That's because Chinese have killed more than the total of all the above
>countries have killed in history. So, the less a country has killed, the
>stronger it might be, it is consistent to God's policy, isn't it ?. ki
>
>Yi-Chieh

I don't think so.  How many Indians were killed by the U.S.?  Of course
that happened in the last 200 years, not 2000 years.  
How many people are killed by guns in the U.S.?  I am sure it's more
than people sentenced to death in China.  And compare the percentage
of innocent people amount these death, it's even worse in the U.S..
God knows who killed/kills more, not you and me. 

Wen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Subject: Re: Soccer, Asian Cup, Results of Nov.3
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:00:27 GMT

In <4NOV199214373897@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu  writes:

>>China will face against Japan or UAE at 4:00pm (japan time) on 6 Nov.

>What do you mean by the word "or" here? It doese not make any sense. China
>will play one of them, but who? Do you know what kind of tie break they will
>use to decide or just by coin flip :) ?

>Bob

Sorry I have to bother you here. "Or" does make sense. It means one of them, 
as you said later. When the news was posted, the orders of Japan and UAE were
not determined yet. 

     ========= End of free lecture on elementary logic =========== 
It seems you are more interested in criticizing others than enjoying soccer. 
-- 
Hui Huang		Hui_Huang@UManitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
                        Phone: (204) 275-5278
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Who is God
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:37:37 GMT

In article <BxLJAr.1np@news.orst.edu> wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.024420.7561@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>That's because Chinese have killed more than the total of all the above
>>countries have killed in history. So, the less a country has killed, the
>>stronger it might be, it is consistent to God's policy, isn't it ?. ki
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
>
>I don't think so.  How many Indians were killed by the U.S.?  Of course
>that happened in the last 200 years, not 2000 years.  
>How many people are killed by guns in the U.S.?  I am sure it's more
>than people sentenced to death in China.  And compare the percentage
>of innocent people amount these death, it's even worse in the U.S..
>God knows who killed/kills more, not you and me. 
>
>Wen
>

How about let us throw in some numbers to see who knows who killed/kills
more ?
(1). American

    10 to 15 million native American Indians killed +
    .5 million killed during independent +
    .5 million killed in Civil War +
    2 to 5 million killed in WWI   +
    5 to 10 million killed in WWII +
    2 to 5 million killed in Korea War +
    5 to 8 million killed in Vietnan War +
    1  to 2 million homicide (since independent to now)  
Total --------------------
    26 to 46 millions killed 

How about China ?  As claimed by CCP, it killed 60 million in less than 20
years. How could any other country in this world to compete with Chinese in
terms of people killed ?
I wonder if there is really a God, should this God make Chinese strongest or
weakest ?

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: To Lu Gang
Keywords: To the helpless and the mighty
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 02:37:08 GMT

In article <1d9ambINN875@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> xh@stereo.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu) writes:
>			To Lu Gang

If he had a job he wanted, he would not make those mistakes.  He was not
a lucky one.


J Su
From: luan@oce.orst.edu (Shusheng Luan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese scholar getting tenure prefessorship without PH.D.?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 15:50:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Dear friends,

My friend would like to know if there are any cases such that a Chinese
scholar has got a tenure prefessorship without a Ph.D. certificate.
The friend is in his 40-50's. Due to modern Chinese historical events
like "Cultural Revolution" he did not have the chance to get a doctorate.
There might be such cases you may know.

Please reply to me at luan@oce.orst.edu. My friend just wants to seek
advise about how to legally get around such a deficiency in this country.
All information will be kept confidential.

Thanks for your attention.

Have a nice weekend.

Luan Shusheng at Oregon State University
From: PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: The reason Bush lost the campaign
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:49:42 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

He had Baghdad bombarded instead of Little Rock.


Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: [week] when does a week start
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:21:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.203054.21765@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com (kenw) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.011435.19952@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>>     [Temas pri la komenco de la semajno.]
>>
>>     Most people think that a week starts on Sunday, right?  They
>>look at their wall calendars from China and England and the U.S.A. and
>>say ah! it must start on Sunday.  But it actually starts on Monday.
>>How come China is so slow in knowing it and changing its calendars?
>>
>>					*Zhong* Qi-Iao (Mr.)
>
>A week starts on Sunday by tradition, just likes a week has seven days. The Bible says that
>God created the world in six days and he rested on Saturday. Saturday becomes the sabbath day 
>of Jews, intended for rest and worship of God. However, Christians consider Sunday as the 
>sabbath day because Jesus Christ resurrected on Sunday morning. Believe or not, the world was
>created on the first Sunday not Monday.
>
>I sometime wonder how our ancestors have survived without weekend, :-).  

There are holidays, for example, officials in Tang dynasty takes off
at first and 15th of every lunar month.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china