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From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:09:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <MARY.92Oct2110406@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>Mikel holds forth:
>
>   I'm used to working with weapons from pretty short to quite
>   long, and I'm used to working with single-ended weapons
>   (weapons whose two ends are very different sizes). I found
>   I had a rather different problem with pool cues: they are too
>   brittle. They have the nastiest habit of snapping in the
>   middle of some pretty standard spins. 
>
>*grin* Soooo, Mikel...and where did you discover this little
>tidbit.  Not...FRESNO?????

Nope. Much more trivial and embarassing than that. It was in
an Apple building where I work. Worst thing is, the cues
belonged to the company and there was no procedure for me
to use to pay for them. (spin spin SNAP! "Oops. That one must've
been defective." spin spin SNAP! "Huh! Two defective ones in
a row!" spin spin... hmmm. Wonder if those 'smart drugs' really
work?)
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: TaiChi
Date: 27 Sep 1992 07:11:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

plim@xi.uk.cray.com (Philip Lim) writes:
  +>    Anyone out there do this aswell!! I could do with some 
  +>ideas on making the sessions more interesting, at present the
  +>only way I know how is to demonstrate Tai Chi with qigong
  +>exercises in a slow and perfection-aimed manner....

fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
  +
  +You might do some push hands. 

Yep.  Weapons such as the sword are always nice.  The fighting form?

Terry
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From: jss@bofur.unh.edu (Spectre)
Subject: Re: Butterfly Knife
Organization: University of No Holidays - UNH - East somewhere
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:21:30 GMT

In article <D26PRB2w165w@ziggys.cts.com> cobra@ziggys.cts.com (Ron Lee)  619/262-6384 writes:
>
>This is also being sent via Email to the author, but I thought others 
>might like to know:
>
> The Bali-sung is a Pillipino weapon that was imported (I believe)
> after the U.S. comandeered the Phillipines during WWII.
> 
>NOTE:  The weapon is a "Bali-sUng" patented as "Bali-sOng" by --Ah, I 
>remember--Pacific Cutlery in northern California.
>

Last I heard (A few weeks ago in fact), the original Phillipino Bali-sungs,
which happen to run about $150-$250 a piece, have been banned from being 
imported to the states.  There are plenty of imitations out there, I have
quite a collection of them.  They are alot cheaper and quality-wise, they
don't hold a candle to the bali-sungs, but they are functional, and look good.

					-Jeff

-- 
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|         Jeff Schreiber               | "The way to ski these things [moguls] |
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From: mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:08:35 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Originator: news@nimaster

>>>>> On 25 Sep 92 14:09:45 GMT, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) said:
Mary> Nntp-Posting-Host: martinique


Mary> heinzl@dsinet.uucp writes:


heinz>    The QUESTION:  Do you guys think I am justified in being pissed at the first
heinz>        instructor for what I consider a "Bait and Hook" method of recruiting?

Mary> Oh sure...you should be pissed.  Unfortunately, there's nothing you can
Mary> do except what you are doing: avoid throwing good money after bad, and 
Mary> go in search of good instruction.

Actually, there are government agencies which penalize folks for
bait-and-switch advertising practices.  If you are really mad, get in
touch with you local better business bureau and complain.  If they
aren't the right organization, they will be sure to know where to go.
--


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Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771       
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From: ACC00LTR@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Leonard T Roberts)
Subject: Re: Starting my martial arts "career"...
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:20:35 GMT

In article <BvFEqI.DuL@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
 
>Well, as soon as I get a source of steady income, I'm going to start my MA
>"career."  I was originally going to start out with hapkido, but I'm having
>second thoughts.  Isn't it a good idea to start out with T'ai Chi Ch'uan, to
>learn concentration, form, etc.?  Here in town, the local T'ai Chi place was
>founded by C. C. Chen, if that means anything.  I'd like more info on T'ai Chi
>Ch'uan, and general advice.  I basically want to learn how to defend myself,
>and how to actually concentrate during a real fight, rather than be shakey and
>unsure with fear or anticipation.  I'd also like to learn a few weapons when I
>get to higher belts.  A friend said he'd teach me the basics of sai when I was
>advanced enough, and I'm purchasing a pair of Shuko (is that it?) "cat" claws.
>Anyway, if any of you have any advice, please e-mail me.  Thanks.
>
>--
>Sam Hulick          | "The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to
>shulick@indiana.edu | hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the
>(NeXTmail welcome)  | essence of inhumanity."  --George Bernard Shaw
 
Hmm, yes, we'd all like to be able to face confrontations without fear or
anticipation. But I don't believe that many MA will tell you that Tai Chi
is the fastest way to reach your goal.
 
By all means, go by the school and see what they have to offer. But be aware
that Tai Chi is a long road and results can come very slowly, especially if
you lack natural talent (like me).
 
I don't want to discourage your interest in Tai Chi, I am just suggesting
that you look at the art realistically. If you truly want a 'career', certainly
I would recommend Tai Chi, but don't expect immediate gratification.
 
Len
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From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:08:55 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

>
>Now, a lot of m.a. schools don't teach you if you don't test, or they
>give inferior instruction.  I still don't see a problem.  Instructors
>want students that are dedicated to the art; they often judge
>dedication on the basis of who is willing to fork over the dough, 

Likewise, I want instructors who are dedicated to the art; I often judge
dedication by the lack of apparent money-centeredness, or at least its
subordination to the teaching of the art.  The instructor is definitely
due to be paid for his service, and should be via regular, or lump-sum
tuition.  Addition of fees for testing is like the addition of "activity
fees," or what have you, to academic tuitions.  Just let me know how much it costs.
However, once my original school started charging for belt tests, Green
went from a single grade to three, and likewise with purple, orange, etc.
In other words, belt fees were an inducement to proliferate the number
of belts.  Where is the dedication to art in this?  (I understand that all
schools aren't the same, but I see the temptation for it).

	Dave
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: (what should I carry ?) 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:03:12 +0000


In article <3800@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP writes:

>
>In article <717443327snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel> G. Backhurst") writes:
>>A clear sign that airport security people don't read 18th and 19th
>>century manuals on English Cane Fighting.  If they did they would
>
>        Niether do I!  But I'd like to.  Can you post some info on obtaining
>such material?
>
As most of these are now long out of print, the only advice I can
really give is to search around second hand book shops.  English
Cane Fighting came into being in the early 18th Century as the fashion
for wearing swords died out.  A number of the fencing schools started
to teach cane fighting as a means for a `gentleman dressed in good
style' to defend himself against `ruffians and those following older
fashion'.

There is quite a bit of material also in the British Library, though
a lot of it is to be found under fencing.  Unfortunately my own
collection of 18th and 19th Century manuals (about 7 of them from
different schools) got stolen when my house in Holland was broken
into,  I have never had the funds available to replace them.  When
I first started collecting such books I could buy them for about 5
to 10 English Pounds.  Just after the break in (1986) I tried to
replace one of the books and was asked for five hundred pounds.
Earlier this year I saw a manual in a shop in London and they were
asking over two thousand pounds for it.  Also a lot of the manuals
have been broken up and the individual illustrated pages framed
as prints, so they are now quite hard to find.

I was told by a bookseller in Arnhem who seemed to know about this
subject that there was a good collection in one of the American
University Libraries, I think it may have been in Boston, but am
not sure about this.


Nigel
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:16:06 GMT
	<1992Oct06.180144.2780@srg.srg.af.mil>
	<1992Oct6.184823.25300@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 18:48:23 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.184823.25300@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin) writes:

   Actually, I whole-heartedly approve of interschool competition.  What about the
   rest of you?

What kind of interschool competition?  You mean tournaments?  Or (hi 
there, Steve) "dojo arashi"?  ;-)
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From: ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Kung Fu, pathetic
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:44:38 GMT

I know it's pathetic, but I, too, was a fan of the series.  It was great
seing one of those wise-man remembering roots kinds of flicks.  I always 
waited impatiently to see which flashbacks each episode would call for.

My favorite is where he attacks Master Poh with the broom (as requested) and
learns what it means to TRULY be blind.



Xref: sparky rec.martial-arts:12930 phl.sports:6
From: mmoore@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Mike Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,phl.sports
Subject: Ki Aikido classes
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:20:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


			  Philadelphia Ki Society

		   Chief Instructor, Sensei Hal Abramson
				     
Invites you to come practice with us at one of our four locations.  Aikido
classes are offered at the University of Pennsylvania, Drexel University,
Philadelphia Community College and the Upper Main Line YMCA in Paoli.

Aikido (the way of harmony) is a Japanese martial art, founded by M.
Ueshiba (1883-1969).  Its highest aim is the fullest integration of
physical ability and mental focus, resulting in balanced and harmonious
interaction with the world.  The use of Aikido as a form of combat is in
some sense incidental, even though it is a very effective form of self
defense.  Aikido is strictly defensive, using no blows or kicks.  It
emphasizes the neutralization of an attacker's force as both more effective
and more responsible than inflicting damage.  The practice and techniques
of Aikido are derived from Japanese forms of meditation, from older martial
arts and from samurai swordsmanship and its accompanying strategy.  The
style of Shin-shin Toitso Aikido that we practice emphasizes coordination
of mind and body.

-----PENN KI-AIKIDO CLUB-------------------------------------------------

Practice is held in the lower level of Hutchinson Gym.  Hutchinson Gym is
located next to Franklin field between Spruce and Walnut Streets on 33rd
Street.

Tuesday/Thursday 6:00 PM
Instructor: Hal Abramson (phone 732-8425)

Access to Hutchinson Gym requires University of Pennsylvania ID.

-----PAOLI KI-AIKIDO CLUB------------------------------------------------
			   
Aikido classes in the Paoli, PA area are held at the Upper Main Line
YMCA (UMLY) in Berwyn, PA.  Telephone number is 647-YMCA.

Wednesdays       7:30 PM
Saturdays        9:30 AM
Instructor: Mike Stevens

For information about classes in Paoli, contact instructor Mike Stevens
(MDS%TrEngA@TredyDev.Unisys.com) at (215) 251-9196, or write:
        Mike Stevens
        8 Jacqueline Drive
        Paoli, PA  19301

-----PHILADELPHIA COMMUNITY COLLEGE--------------------------------------

Wednesday        6:30PM
Instructor: Kelly Brennan (phone 923-4184)

Classes will run from October 14 to November 18.

-----DREXEL UNIVERSITY---------------------------------------------------
			     
Monday/Thursday  6:00 PM
Instructor: Hal Abramson

Classes are held in the Drexel University gym which is located on Market
Street between 33rd and 34th Streets in West Philadelphia.  Access to the
gym requires Drexel University ID.

=========================================================================
Classes are sponsored by the Philadelphia Ki Society, which is affiliated
with the International Ki Society.  All ranks given by the Ki Society are
recognized worldwide.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:28:44 GMT

schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:

>	I guess that you'd have to look at who stayed with Yang Cheng-Fu the
>longest, and would have been in a position to learn everything from him. I
>believe that Fu Zhong-Wen is documented as having spent many decades as Yang
>Cheng-Fu's protege. Members of his immediate family are also good candidates
>for receiving things which weren't taught "outside".

Fu was Yang Cheng-fu's nephew - ie, his mum was Yang Cheng-fu's sister.

I [and my wife] once had the embarrassing experience of demonstrating 
San Sau to Fu's son. We were so nervous that it was more like a novice
and drunken kendo match than the intricate interplay which it should be.
We've never practiced San Sau that badly since!

Tomasso.
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From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:02:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Oct1.131531.11084@bcrka451.bnr.ca> fwong@bnr.ca (Frank Wong) writes:
>
>I found this list on the net and though that other r.m-a'ers would enjoy it.

Speaking of the series, I'm a longtime fan (snicker if you must).
I'd like to buy copies of the original series, but they don't
seem to be available anywhere. Does anyone know of a source for
them, or a reason why they aren't available? I used to record
broadcasts, but they haven't been accessible to me for years now.

--me
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: TaiChi
Keywords: Tai Chi, UK
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:34:03 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Sep25.075426.22550@walter.cray.com> plim@xi.uk.cray.com (Philip Lim) writes:
>Hi,
>    I've just started my first Tai Chi classes as a corporate
>instructor. Small turn out on the first session but looks 
>like the words getting around so the next one looks set to
>be packed!!

cool !

>    It's a good was of relieving stress for corporate employees,
>if no stress exists in your company then 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

the company's either going out of business, or it's supported
by the government  :-)


>it can improve health
>in body, mind and hence work efficiency. 
>    Anyone out there do this aswell!! I could do with some 
>ideas on making the sessions more interesting, at present the
>only way I know how is to demonstrate Tai Chi with qigong
>exercises in a slow and perfection-aimed manner. everyone
>seems to want to rush ahead and learn all. I will not be
>trapped into speeding up a delicate art!!!
>

I've informally held 'classes' at workplaces (all volunteer,
no exchange of money or 'free' worktime)...  The stress relief
was the primary reason for people who showed up...

one person expected Tai CHi to be a magic pill...  "I hope to
see some results REAL soon"..  I said nothing discouraging, but
not surprisingly, she didn't stay too long...

these never lasted too long (like for more than a year or so), 
probably because  1. It cost no money   2. It was lunch hour, and
it's sometimes easier to just use that time for pure fun  :-)


I also found that as soon as I began to hint at any martial arts
side of it, come people would get turned off and not come anymore, ah well..


-t.c.



--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: ma movies and books
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:35:02 GMT

I was just wondering if anyone out there in MA-land can recommend any good
martial arts movies - not the cheesy translated stuff, but any with decent
plots and a good representation of ma styles.  I have seen all the recent
movies - J.C. Van Damme's library, Speakman's (which i thought was great),
Norris', and Brandon Lee's Showdown in Little Tokyo.

Any decent ones that I missed?  I don't like the 'Don the Dragon Wilson' 
pictures, I find them kind of cheesy...

also, any good ma-oriented fiction novels out there?  I have seen the
trashing of Lustbader's works on the net, but are there any good novels
that are a little more realistic?

(I guess the name LUSTbader says it all, anyway...)

any help would be greatly appreciated.

btw, anybody heard the rumor that J.C. Van Damme, Brandon Lee, and Norris 
might be getting together to do a movie?  I read about it in some ma
magazine, probably black belt... it's either made for tv, or movie theatre
only...i dont remember.

   
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Hakamaphobia (was: Re: Taido/Hakamas)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:38:32 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct1.162421.9476@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,
osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
|>      Beginners commonly
|> 	fall on their faces is sometimes even tear their hakama by stepping
|> 	incorrectly.  The wearing enforces, to some degree, proper movement.
|> 	Moreover, it forces you to  PAY ATTENTION to your movement; something
|> 	very few of us do on a regular basis.

Boy, you got *that* right.  I wore one when I was studying kenjutsu.
I almost died drawing my sword from a kneeling position.  Left leg was
kneeling on right hakama leg.  I wound up falling forward with my sword
half drawn (edge up, of course).  I caught myself with my left hand,
but the blade came withing about 6-8 inches from my chest and neck.

Instructor looks over to where I'm sitting, hyperventilating with my
eyes bugging out, and asks "Is your sword OK?"

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly)
Subject: On Explaining Aikido
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:14:12 GMT

We have a Aikido club here at school, and each year we try to draw in more
people to join, as our club is extremely small.  The problem occurs when I
try to explain Aikido.  I use such words as redirecting the attack, but
that does not capture to sense of Aikido and Ki and all that weird stuff. 
If I start speaking of such things, people get put off by it, as Notre Dame
is extremely catholic and very conservative on such matters.  I am not sure
what to do.  At what point would it be appropriate to introduce Ki to these
people, right away or later on?

Eric
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:51:06 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

>In article <3766@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>	I have a 1 inch long pocketknife on my keychain.  This summer
>>a guard made me beg for 5 minutes before allowing me to board while in
>>possession of this dangerous weapon.
>

Last month my son and I attempted to get through security with a
'Super Soaker'.  You know, one of those white and neon-green
pump water-guns...  we were told that we couldn't bring that 'gun';
on as carry-on...   all cries of 'but it's a squirt gun' were for
naught...

sheeshh.. wasn't like we were flying to Boston or something
(where possession of a 'super soaker' is apparently against the law)...


-t.c.



--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
From: salkovic@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Looking for training...
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:37:20 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University


    I live in the north Bay area of California (specifically, Rohnert
Park which is next to Santa Rosa). I have trained for several years
in Hung Gaar Kung Fu in Seattle and I trained in Thai Boxing in
Chiangmai Thailand. I am interested in two iems;
1. I would like to find a training partner who can meet in a 
Bay area location to do some fairly hard training in preparation for
my going into the ring in Thailand within 9 months (I fought once
at a place where the lesser fighters compete in Chiangmai)
2. I would like to know if there are any similiar styles to 
Hung Gaar being taught currently in my area of Northern Cal. I
am currently unable to locate a convenient boxing or Kung Fu
club.
    Steve


Salkovic@sonoma.edu