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From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Material Rewards
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:57:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.082259.9287@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>
>I think anyone who sticks it out beyond the average number of years (3) is a
>winner. How about having some sort of ring for age-outs with a number of years
>in a corps? Anything to encourage people to stay in the corps they started in
>will increase the average age of the smaller corps, and also improve the
>quality of talent.
>
>Any thoughts, flames, ideas? Maybe we could find some recognition for these
>people (the only one open now is winning Individuals).
>
>Brooke

>>>>Hear, Hear! I completely agree! I marched in a small drum corps on the east
coast for 11 years (does anyone out there remember the Diplomats from Malden, 
MA?) and in Garfield for 1. Don't get me wrong, after all those years I 
would've like to have won nationals (I marched in Garfield in '88).But it
would have be even nicer to be recognized for the years I put in before
that!  I've been trying to do that with the e-mass corps I teach now. I 
definately think members should be recognized for the years they put in!

Kelleigh
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: halleujah it's here!!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:29:35 EDT
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In article <1g33s5INN3bm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (rec.arts.marching.drumcorps), ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.192101.11784@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise) writes:
>>...  I'm told Glen "Turtle" Carter is also (re)joining the percussion staff,
>>I believe he was at Spirit for a few years, and then I know he was with 
>>Bluecoats from like 89 or 90 through 91 when he was caption head.  FYI Turtle 
>>won individuals tenor drum way, way back when.
>
>WHo is Spirit's percussion arranger?  I heard that who ever it was, they were
>not that good.  Didn't Turtle win tenor in '86?

I marched with Turtle in those way back days.  For those of you who
are interested, you can hear some of his work in 83 and 84, Blues
in the Night, he has a nice little solo.  He has had some arrangements
published by Arrangers Publishing Company (I think that's what they're
called.).  

Last year's percussion arranger was Kevin Hammond, who marched tenors
with Spirit for a few years in the mid-80s.  Also as a consultant
was Mike Back, who was arranger from 82 until Kevin took over.  Kevin's
pretty good.  Mike was really good.  For some real history, Tom Float was 
the arranger in the early days, before he found out cocaine was cheaper
in Concord, CA.

Niel

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From: dsn41188@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david nirschl)
Subject: Phantom drum staff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:59:03 GMT



Well, I'm no expert on this, but I thought people might be interested...
The drum staff for Phantom looks something like

	Jeff Prosperie	 	Perc. designer, caption head
	Pat Fitzgerald		Toms
	Steve McDonald		Pit
	Kandra Summerhill	Bass

All I really know about this staff is that they are all from the University
of North Texas drumline staff.

-dave nirschl
From: minich@a.cs.okstate.edu (Robert Minich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:30:24 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University

| ...  When a corps plays
| a piece that is extremely compicated, or has little meldoy (i.e. Star 1991,
| Cadets 1991) it is looked upon poorly.  This is probably due to many fans
| not being big 20th century music fans.  I would love to see The Rite of
| Spring on the field, because I feel it would stretch drum corps to a new
| height and would piss off the fans even more.
|
| Rob Dorocke
| (rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)

Time for a vote. All those who liked Roman Images, send something to

	minich=roman_good@a.cs.okstate.edu

and all those who didn't, send something to

	minich=roman_bad@a.cs.okstate.edu

I'll tally the scores post the results on Sunday, Dec 20. You might like to
fill out the form below:

1. How did you experience the show?          (Live, Video, CD, Cassette)
2. Do you generally like 20th century music? (Y, N)
3. Do you generally like Star of Indiana?    (Y, N)
4. Anything else you want to add. (Please keep it concise.)

I reserve my opinion until the votes are counted. :-)
-- 
Robert Minich
minich@a.cs.okstate.edu   | "Maybe awake is what's left at the end
Oklahoma State University |  of dreaming"
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From: rlmiller@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Randall L. Miller)
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:22:08 EST

In article <Dec.14.16.23.44.1992.19256@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
>
>>Yes folks, Phantom will have a new drill designer for 1993.  The
>>new writer is Tony Hall, who we discussed a few articles before as
>>the drill writer for the Cadets in 1986.  Tony has been working with
>>a few marching bands, but has not written a top 12 DCI drill since
>>he wrote for the Cadets.  
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>
>GOD HELP THE PHANTOM REGIMENT IN '93!!!!!!!!!!

	Personally, I hope Phantom gets reemed this year. They deserve it.
	Flame Shield: ON. Actually, I have a lot of respect for the
	individual members, just not the corps as a whole.

	Just my $0.03

	Randy
	BAC 91-???
From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:50:29 GMT
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Things look pretty much the same as in 1986?!?!?!

I love the Devils, but there is no way a show like what the Devils performed in 
'86 would win again.  Actually, the Devils' '86 show is my favorite all-time
show.  But it is no where near as difficult as what is being done now,
and now hwere near as creative.  A lot has changed since '86.  A lot
had changed from '86 to '87.  That Garfield '86 show, if performed ecxactly
the same today, wouldn't have beaten the Crossmen this year, maybe ecven the
Blue Knights.  I too hope that the Regiment fall further this year (wouldn't
it be great to see VK pass them?).  From what I've seen and heard, they don't
deserve to be where they are.  Just IMHO's.
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
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From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:33:35 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Dec15.124308.1@d0gs03.fnal.gov> jerger@d0gs03.fnal.gov writes:
>From: jerger@d0gs03.fnal.gov
>Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
>Date: 15 Dec 92 18:43:08 GMT
>In article <1992Dec15.010337.9406@iscsvax.uni.edu>, dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>> [misc. stuff deleted]
>
>Another important (to me anyhow) one - 1982 drum solos. Two-Seven and Spirit both 
>did Blue Rondo a la Turk - I liked 27th's way better.
>
>
>Steve

That's because Two-Seven's battery actually played.... ;-)

- Pete


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:36:49 -0500 
From: David James Foremsky <df1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Cadets 1993

In order to clear up some confusion, the Holsinger piece the Cadets are
thinking of playing is entitled:

"In the spring, at the time when kings go off to war"

This from the Online Computer Library Center record for the score and parts.

The Westerville South band played the piece this past fall. I saw it at
the BoA competition in Morgantown-really, really, really cool music and
show. I am still in shock over the ending of the show. The band
condensed into a block, seeming like they were lining up for one final
blast of sound. Instead, they hit the block, took their horns down,
removed their hats, and marched off the field.  Another "f*ck you"
ending. I love it.

deej
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Has anyone noticed...
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:15:03 EDT
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Is it just me, or has the tone of many articles suddenly changed since
we moved to r.a.m.d?  It seems that not only are we getting more articles
(which I think is good), they seem to be getting more into who hates
whom and why?

Maybe we need a new group, r.a.m.drumcorps.old.farts.pining.for.the.old.days,
for people like me...

Niel

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From: jerger@d0gs03.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:43:08 GMT
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In article <1992Dec15.010337.9406@iscsvax.uni.edu>, dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> [misc. stuff deleted]
> 
>>>1988   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Old Black Magic
>>>1989   Bluecoats / Blue Devils   -- Johny One Note
>>>1990   Bluecoats / Crossmen  -- Caravan
>>>
>>>Any others ??  
>> 
>> 
>> Yup.
>> 
>> 1990 Cadets and Blue Knights  -   Sanctus and Agnus Dei from Leonard 
>> Bernstein's "Mass".
>> 
> 
> There's more.  How about 1991 Madison Scouts and Dutch Boy both doing "City of
> Angels" music?  I know there must be a LOT more of these, but I can't think of
> any more right now (finals have turned my brain to mush).
> 
> Jack Dostal

1988 - Scouts and VK both did Malaguena, albeit in very different ways. Reportedly,
Madison politely asked us early on to reconsider our choice, as their production
was supposed to be an anniversary/resurrection thing, but we politely declined, 
as we were doing it totally different.

Another important (to me anyhow) one - 1982 drum solos. Two-Seven and Spirit both 
did Blue Rondo a la Turk - I liked 27th's way better.


Steve
From: HMUSAMWS@admin.uh.edu (SUMBERA, MICHEAL W.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:52:01 GMT
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In <Bz68GD.5yA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu writes:

> When I made the comment about the lack of meldoy, I was really refering to 
> the Cadets 1991 opener, Short Ride in a Fast Car.  When I commented on
> complexity, I was refering to Star, and for that matter the Cadets.

> There were definitely distinct melodies in Star's 1991 show.  Maybe I should
> have worded it differently.  Sorry.

There is melodic contect in "Short Ride" (in a Fast Machine, not Car), it's
just a little different in that it's not beaten into your skull (in the original
or the transcription), and garfield played it very much in line with the Adams
original.  I actually found the melodies in their show much more recognizable
than those Star decided to present, based strictly on the arrangement.  Star
added too many bells and whistles (in the parts), and I had a lot of difficulty
distinguishing the original music from all the added stuff going on.

Personally I'd really like to see someone try "Harmonielehre."  Those huge
E-minor chords would make a great opening for impact.  Provided they're in tune
and well balanced, of course.

MWS
hmusamws@admin.uh.edu
Down in the basement, we hear the sound of machines.

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From: tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:47:37 GMT
Keywords: drumcorps tunes same


Here's another one:

1981(?) - Garfield Cadets and Madison Scouts both played theme 
from Ice Castles.

Tom
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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: halleujah it's here!!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:22:53 GMT

In article <01050023.l4f5u1@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>pretty good.  Mike was really good.  For some real history, Tom Float was 
>the arranger in the early days, before he found out cocaine was cheaper
>in Concord, CA.

Just curious... Did you ever actually know Tom Float, or did you just choose
to believe the bullshit that the people at Spirit obviously fed you? Tom was
not only the best teacher I've ever had (and I've had some good ones), but
one of the most caring people I've ever known. I guess I'm not surprised that
the Spirit guys would start cutting on him after he left, as most of the line
went with him to the Blue Devils (I guess they thought the coke was better in
Concord, also), and Spirit's line went to shit after he left... (all IMHO's
apply).

--Brad.


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From: C_S01798@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Patrick Todd Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: ROMAN IMAGES
Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:27:29 GMT
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	I have a few problems with someone asking the question "did you like 
the `Roman Images' Program?"  simply because someone thought the music was
obscure.  How can one even ATTMEPT to criticize such a show as "good" or "bad"?
Even though my personal opinion doesn't really make a difference, I can use it
as an example.  The 1991 Star of Indiana show entertained me and was intensly
powerful visually, even though on finals night it might have been executed with
a _little_ less finesse as perhaps earlier.  Musically, I was not entertained
as much as i was IMPRESSED with the musicallity and precision and complexity
(all those things that are on the beloved judges sheet).  
	
	What I'm boiling down to, is before you try to make judgements on
whether a show is "good" or "bad", you have to decide what kind of criteria 
you are going to use!  Take it from me, I've seen (and performed in) some
REALLY bad shows over my corps experience.  I'm not angry that someone is
actually trying to compile a poll of this opinionated information (even though
traditionally thats been my little niche :) )  I simply question the manner of
"good" vs. "bad". There are just too many variables to consider!

Thank you.

Patrick Sloan
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: informal survey (cross-posting from alt.drumcorps):
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:13:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article <1992Nov22.055522.2326@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> (alt.drumcorps)
sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker) wrote (Re: informal survey):
 
|>In article <1ejs0mINN9j4@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
|>>>    Here's an informal survey for those of you interested.  Many corps have 
|>>>songs associated with them, Madison and You'll Never Walk Alone, Sky Ryders - 
|>>>Over the Rainbow, etc, etc.
|>Well, I will always love Spirit's 'tradesong' "Georgia On My Mind".  Spirits
|>fortunes may be falling, but their song will never fall...
 
To which rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) responded in 
article <1992Nov22.221529.22627@hubcap.clemson.edu> (alt.drumcorps):
 
|>I've always liked Suncoast's corps song, The Greatest Love of All.
|>If you listen to the words you see how much this song relates to
|>drum corps.
|>
|>Every time I think about the words to that song, I get a real feeling of
|>warmth and accomplishment.
|> 
|>Some other corps/song associations I can think of:
|> 
|>SCV : Send in the Clowns
|>Phantom : Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral
|>27th : Danny Boy
|>North Star : Sir Duke
|>Garfield : O Holy Name (although I don't ever remember them playing this.)
|>Troopers : How the West Was Won
|>Boston : Conquest
|>Star : When You Wish Upon a Star
|>Freelancers : Even Now
 
Here are my associations:
 
Spirit: Let It Be Me, Old Man River
 
North Star:  Sir Duke, yes, but 2 other songs were played more by
the corps: Ole' was played at all 3 finals appearances (1979-1980) and
Killian (Killion?) was the opener 3 times the corps *didn't* make finals
(1976-1977, 1982).  We always thought our theme song was "When You
Wish Upon A Star, which was the bridge in the 1976-1977 versions of
Killian and the warmup in 1978.
 
SCV:  Fiddler on the Roof (esp. Bottle Dance), Young Person's Guide
to the Orchestra (which *always* won them a championship), and
Appalachian Spring (which *never* won them a championship but helped
Garfield beat them).
 
Phantom: In The Hall of the Mountain King from Pier Gynt (sp?) Suite
and New World Symphony.
 
Troopers: Battle Hymn of the Republic
 
Boston: Havah Nagilah
 
Freelancers: Bellavia
 
Vince
From: Richard.V.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Mike's Trivia (was Hurray!  We're here!)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:43:47 -0600
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I finally got connected to rec.arts.marching.drumcorps today, but I had to
manually edit my .newsrc file to receive it (stupid newsreader :-b !).
 
Here's my first article that *isn't* a cross-post from alt.drumcorps.
 
In Article-I.D. husc3.1992Dec8.120827.18284, fath1@husc.harvard.edu 
(Michael Fath) wrote (Hurray!  We're here!):
 
|>To start things off, how about a trivia question.
|> 
|>Which corps have placed in all of the top 5 postitions in DCI finals
|>(and of course if you know, when)?
 
Let's start with the champions and eliminate them:
Anaheim Kingsmen     1st and 3rd--Nope
Santa Clara Vanguard 1st (1973, 1974, 1978, 1981, 1989),
                     2nd (1975, 1982, 1986-1988)
                     3rd (1972, 1976-1977, 1983-1985)
                     4th and 5th (1991 for one, never for the other) 
                     Nope!
Blue Devils          1st (1976-1977, 1979-1980, 1982, 1986)
                     2nd (1981, 1983-1985) 
                     3rd (1975, 1978)
                     4th (1987, 1992, and other years I forget)
                     5th (at least once 1988-1991)
                     Bingo!
Madison Scouts       1st (1975, 1988)
                     2nd (1974, 1976)
                     3rd (1981)
                     4th (1973) 
                     5th (1992)
                     Bingo!
Garfield Cadets/CBC  1st (1983-1985, 1987, 1990)
                     2nd (1992)
                     3rd (1982)
                     4th (1988)
                     5th (1986, 1989, 1991)
                     Bingo!
Cavaliers            1st (1992)
                     2nd (1990-1991)
                     3rd (1986-1987, 1989?)
                     4th (?)
                     5th (1985, 1988)
                     A near miss!
 
Answer               Blue Devils, CBC, Madison
 
Vince
 
Since the newsreader crashed just after I read the article (#12), I have
no idea if it has already been answered.  Bear with me.
 
Oh, and ignore the article--I'm still Vince.
From: zaidioa@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: drum majors
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:57:28 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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I had a question as to how the drum majors in the drumcorps are chosen
and is it up to the drum major if he/she wants to use a baton while
directing or marking time while directing?

If there are any drum majors out there, what is the most difficult
piece you had to direct and why?

For me, the piece "Classical Gas" that our pep band plays is the most
difficult because it has one time signature every measure. Talk about
confusing. Multimeters aren't that bad if it's consistent. The problem is when
you have 10 million time changes in a piece.


see y'all later

Omar Zaidi

zaidioa@cs.rose-hulman.edu
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:18:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam) writes:


>Things look pretty much the same as in 1986?!?!?!

>I love the Devils, but there is no way a show like what the Devils performed in 
>'86 would win again.  Actually, the Devils' '86 show is my favorite all-time
>show.  But it is no where near as difficult as what is being done now,
>and now hwere near as creative.  A lot has changed since '86.  A lot
>had changed from '86 to '87.  That Garfield '86 show, if performed ecxactly
>the same today, wouldn't have beaten the Crossmen this year, maybe ecven the
>Blue Knights.  I too hope that the Regiment fall further this year (wouldn't
>it be great to see VK pass them?).  From what I've seen and heard, they don't
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  GOD FORBID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't wish this on any corps!!   

   FLAME SUIT ON!   Just think of it Phantom fans, losing to Godzilla,
Energizer Bunny, and the Great White!   PPHHOOOO, just got a cold chill,
almost ruined my holiday season!!