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From: ychoi@oak.math.ucla.edu (Yonghee Choi)
Subject: Re: Everton Vs Bayern Munich in 80's
Keywords: European Cup
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 07:07:30 GMT

In article <BzJFty.HBv@max.physics.sunysb.edu> waring@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Martin Waring) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.101107.8117@news.columbia.edu> kyl2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kevin Y Lui) writes:
>
>
>>My question is if Liverpool met Bayern in that competition. If so, 
>>what is the 
>>result?  If not, who beat Bayern in that competition?
>>Did Liverpool beat Bayern or Juventus in history???
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>
>You'll have to find someone with the old mammoth record book cos my memory
>is terrible.
>
>However as a Liverpool fan in those days (I converted to Villa when I went to
>Brum) I remember the Liverpool vs Bayern Munich semi-final (quarter-final?)
>in the European Cup in 1978 (1980 ?).
>
>
>It was on BBC TV and was a magic goal (as they say).
>Liverpool thus went through on away goals and proceeded to win the Cup.
>(vs Brugges at Wembley in 1978 , I think ?).
>
>
>Tony B.
>



I did not follow European Football very closely in late 70's or early 80's.
However, I know that FC Bayern did not win the European Cup or the German
Championship in 1977, which means Bayern wasn't qualified to play in 
European Cup in 1978.

The Bayern-Liverpool matches mentioned in the above article must have been
in 1981, when Liverpool won the competition by beating Real Madrid in the 
Final.


John.
    

Go Borussia Moenchengladbach !!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: JI.RCB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:20:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.172547.18730@europa.asd.contel.com>,
andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
>dci57@cas.org wrote:
>: Andy,
>:
>:     Please post what were the 4 most popular high school sports ahead
>: of soccer in 1991.  Thanks.
>:                                    Dorothy
>:
>:
>: My opinion is strictly mine, not my employer's
>
>Errr, this is just a guess since I don't know off hand but I would guess,
>
>baseball
>basketball
>football
>and volleyball
>
>Andy
>
The popularity rankings are from a survey conducted by the National
Federation of State Associations (or something like that).  The
sports in order of the number of participants are:
1.  American Football
2.  Basketball
3.  Baseball
4.  Track and Field
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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: English Premier League results
Keywords: Sat 12th Dec
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:48:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.224533.16322@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>From the BBC World Service:
>
>First Division
>Derby    3  Birmgham 1


Hmmmm.  Something must be wrong here.  Derby never win at home.
This must have been played at St. Andrews!  :-) :-)



-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com

For the Campaign to bring back Brian Clough and The Mud Bog to Derby County FC.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: tippinme@cs.aston.ac.uk (ME TIPPING,,,,)
Subject: Re: Why Spurs hate Arsenal (was Rivals (or, wh
Reply-To: tippinme@cs.aston.ac.uk
Organization: Aston University (Comp Sci)
Distribution: eunet
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:48:37 GMT

>The first major incident to sour relations occurred way back in 1919, when
>the Football League were intending to increase the size of the First
>Division. The previous season Spurs had finished bottom of the first,
>whilst Arsenal were fifth place in the second. Spurs, quite reasonably,
>expected that they would not be relegated, as well as a team being
>promoted from the second as normal. The Arsenal chairman had different
>ideas, and after visiting various important figures in the League with
>a large bag of cash, managed to persuade them to promote Arsenal to the
>top flight, in front of three other second division side, and also to
>relegate Tottenham. In fact Arsenal have remained in the top flight
>since then, despite never having been legitimately promoted in the
>first place! So when a Gooner starts spouting on about the longevity
>of their stay at the top, just remind them of how they got there in
>the first place.

Hmm......but didn't Spurs have to bribe Stoke City in order to get
there themselves?  That's wot I heard anyway.

>>>>>>  MIKE T.      <<<<<<
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:39:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
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In article <9FD65E2D0000BC9B@knox.bitnet> PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:
>      Yes, and this was not a good year for the Dodgers and the Angels.  And
>the Dodgers did almost nothing to improve the team.  With Atlanta, Cincinnati,
>San Francisco and Houston improved a lot, I see more tough times for those
>Dodgers...
>      By the way, I also question their decision to re-sign Eric Davis.  Let's
>see how many games he will play in 1993.
>      Maybe in 1993, Dodgers fans will arrive in the first inning and leave
>after the 6th...who knows.
>      The good years for the Dodgers are gone...
>                                                                   Panos
That's funny, I thought I was reading rec.sport.soccer but this seems to
suggest I'm actually reading rec.sport.baseball or whatever group baseball
lives in...:-) :-)

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From: ian@dmu.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:16:50 GMT
Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK

In article <BzBCIB.9o1@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>In article <00964EA8.05F960E0@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:

>I have been to several Leicester City games with my mates from Grammar
>School.  The Derby-Leicester games were always the most fun.  I was
>"forced" to be in the home fans section at Filbert Street with me mates
>one match.  My ears were sore afterwards from the constant chants of
>"Sheep Shaggers!!!" (alluding to the Rams nickname) to my fellows across 
>the park.  Me mates were really upset when we came away with a 1-1 draw
>after the Foxes had outplayed us :-)
>
>At my last Derby-Leicester game six or seven years ago (probably longer,
>it was on a trip back home) I managed to coerce some of my Leicester buddies
>into standing with me in the home fans section behind the goal.  It was
>glorious.  The Rams thrashed 'em 4-1 and at least three of the goals came
>in the second half right in front of our eyes only 20 yards away!!!!
>It was heaven!

I was at the most recent Leicester-Derby match back in September - definitely
the most enjoyable match I've seen this season.

Derby took the lead with a lob from Simpson which deceived our goalie (not
difficult) but City roared back with two wonder strikes from Phil Gee (ex
Rams).  Derby drew level with a soft goal from a corner (Muggleton 'forgot'
to catch the ball and watched it drift into the corner of the net).  City
won the game in injury time from a dubious free kick just outside the Derby 
area.  Thompson tried to curl it in, got a deflection off the Derby wall and
beat the despairing Sutton.  Despite playing well, this defeat left Derby's
ten million quid team stranded at the bottom of the table.  What glee !!!

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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:56:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Dec15.095501.7005@ericsson.se> etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se writes:
>In article 29522@castle.ed.ac.uk, Rupert_The_Bairn@ed.ac.uk () writes:
>|puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta) writes:

>|> Barcelona-Real Madrid is the most recognizable rivalry in Europe.

>|...it just doesn't get near the rivalry of Rangers/Celtic. 

>Sorry to tell you this boys, but you're both completely wrong. The rivalry
>between Svenljunga IK and Tranemo IF is world known all over the county of 
>Kind (Sweden).

Ahhh, now -this- is what I was looking for when I started this 
thread!  Not so much "mine is bigger than yours," but rivalrys from 
all over the world, not just the British Isles.  

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moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com             Never let the rocks cry out.
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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:19:44 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec16.191616.7996@sequent.com>, jwk@sequent.com (John "F. Leghorn" Kramer) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.195855.26814@ugle.unit.no> pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes:
>>|> |>of all times, I think Maradona is best.  Period.
>>|> |>
>>|>  ...especially when you consider that he's as good with his hands as with
>>|>  his feet! ;-
>>
>>|> Chris J. Passier
>>
>>
>>
>>Is that the only thing you can remember of Maradona?
>>
>>
>>Per Annar Sandaune
> 
> Considering the game was an important World Cup game, it's hard to
> forget (esp if you're English). But he made up for this shameful display
> with a quality second. Wonder what would have happened if the first goal
> was disallowed and he got a yellow/red card he deserved instead?


England would have won the world cup and world domination would have followed!

     *NOT*!

Argentina would still have won and England would still be the mediocre side
they are today.

PS: Deliberate handball was not a bookable/sending off offence in '86

 


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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: New Predictions' League - First Fixtures !!
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:47:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.115614.2521@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> In article <29580@castle.ed.ac.uk>, ejua64@castle.ed.ac.uk (D Howat) writes:
>> Saturday 2nd January 1993
>> 
>> Aberdeen 3-1 Dundee
>> Airdrie 1-1 Falkirk


	Wouldn't it be easier to have this predictions league on a 
mailing list ???

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Sandy Mackinnon,                       +  but they gave us bingo in return
At the Cutting Edge of Fuel Science,   + 
University of Strathclyde,             +  then we gave them Logie Baird,
Glasgow,                               +  but they gave us Beadle in return
Scotland.                              +  
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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Possible Celtic Takeover?
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:19:53 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Dec16.114423.15019@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> With the impending Celtic AGM and the club valued at only 1.2 million, with
> Rangers earning 210,000 pounds a point in the Champions League, the
> accumulation of six points would allow a buy out of Celtic, just for playing
> a maximum of six games.


	Why waste the profits we've made in Europe ?????  Anyway rumour
has it Alan McLaren will be signing soon from Hearts for 1.8M.  We were
supposed to get him last summer but we got lumbered with Hen Broon instead.


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                                       + "First we gave the English golf,
Sandy Mackinnon,                       +  but they gave us bingo in return
At the Cutting Edge of Fuel Science,   + 
University of Strathclyde,             +  then we gave them Logie Baird,
Glasgow,                               +  but they gave us Beadle in return
Scotland.                              +  
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk               +  then we gave them whisky but we said
				       +  thanks but no thanks in return"
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From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA Cup result (wednesday 9/12/92), second leg of third round.
Date: 12 Dec 1992 05:28:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Murad, where are you hiding? Looks like Roma was far from being "in misery",
doesn't it? Good luck in the domestic  competitions!  

Cheers
Radu


-- 
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Department of Economics
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: RULE CHANGES
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:32:49 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

-> What do our former NASL fans think? Did the 35yd.-line have a positive impact? 

This is a personal opinion, so please take it with a pinch of salt.

I didn't like the 35 yard line.  I felt it supressed the offensive
talents of the defenders, it also stiffled the offsides-trap and
break-away goals.  (What is more exciting than seeing a player
streak past an unsuccessful offsides trap for a one on one with
the goalkeeper?)

Keep the line where it is.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: Turkey-Holland
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:10:15 GMT

passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.082624.25547@fys.ruu.nl>, bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo
>Bootsma) writes:
>|>WC Qualifier in Istanbul:
>|>
>|>Turkey-Holland 1-3 (0-0)
>|>
>|>57' Van Vossen 0-1
>|>59' Gullit     0-2
>|>60' Feyyaz     1-2
>|>87' Van Vossen 1-3
>|>
>|>att. 22000
>|>
>|>Lucky win for the Netherlands...

What's this? Holland had less opportunities than Turkey, but Turkey didn't know
what to do when they had one. Holland had far more class and technique.

>|>
>|>Also:
>|> 
>|>Brazil-Germany 3-1 (2-0).
>|>
>|>timo.

> Wasn't it Van Vossen who got the two goals against Poland? I'm not
> familiar with him. Could someone please give me a brief bio on this
> fellow?

Only a few years ago Peter van Vossen played for the amateurs in Zeeland.
Then he got to Beveren, in Belgium, where he became the star player of the
team. Anderlecht noticed him and bought him at the start of the current
season. The Dutch coaches noticed his remarkable performances as well, and
decided to put him in the Dutch team. He played his first international
game against former Yugoslavia, in may (I believe) this year. He played very
well that match, but became a trombose in his arm, just before the EC in
Sweden. He's top-fit now and was selected again against Poland. In that game
he scored two goals, where Van Basten and Bergkamp missed over a dozen
100%-chances to score. For the match against Turkey he was selected again,
and scored again two times! Two nice goals it were.
Van Vossen is a very fast man, with strong character. He's prepared to run
and run and run for the good sake of the team, unlike Van Basten for example.
Overall: a very good forward that knows how to score a goal!


> ...nice to see Gullit's name in the scoring summary again!

Indeed it is!

> Oranje!
> Oranje!
> Oranje!

> Hup! Holland, Hup!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: Sports Illustrated reports on soccer two weeks in a row
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:13:04 GMT

shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu wrote:
: The two high school kids noted in SI, Andy writes that they are from
: Illinois.  Do you recall the name of the high school?  I grew up and played
: high school soccer in Illinois and am curious.
: 
: Thanks, 
: Ken S.

Ken,

The two kids play for Batavia High School.

Andy
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten CLUB sides
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:56:32 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec15.155415.8178@fwi.uva.nl>, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
> 
>> 
>>anyone for the top ten CLUB sides in the world????
> 
>>mine are as follows....
> 
>>1. Milan
>>2. Juventus
>>3. Barca
>>4. Nacional
>>5. Sao Paolo
>>6. Real madrid            -> Haha!
>>7. Internazionale         -> Haha again!
>>8. River Plate
>>9. Marselles
>>10.Bayern Munich
> 
>>those are mine anyway
> 
> Those are mine:
> 
> 1. Barcelona   - to this i can only say 'Rai' a'Sao Paulo'
> 2. Milan  -  now i know you are joking  - forza milan!!
> 3. Olympique Marseille
> 4. PSV
> 5. Ajax
> 6. Torino
> 7. Fiorentina
> 8. Borussia Dortmund
> 9. Paris Saint-Germain
> 10.Anderlecht
> 
> (Is it a coincidence they're all European?)
> 
> 
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From: pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: [RESULTS] German Clubs in Europe & 2. Bundesliga
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:47:03 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany

timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:


>In article <1992Dec9.001959.10849@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker) writes:
>>
>>Real Zaragoza - Borussia Dortmund  2:1
>>1:0  Poyet
>>1:1  Chapuisat
>>2:1  Brehme p.k.
>      ^^^^^^

>Is this Andreas Brehme (#3 for Germany) or someone else ?

He is!

Peter Loibl
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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: English Premier League results
Keywords: Sat 12th Dec
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:45:33 GMT

From the BBC World Service:

TOTTENHAM 1  ARSENAL 0   (:-((((
Allen 21'
Now, that is what I call disaster. Fourth successive league defeat for
Arsenal at the hands of hated Spurs. Thorsvedt had two great saves
from an Adams shot and a Bould header. Spurs hit the Arsenal post four
minutes from time.

MAN UNITED 1  NORWICH 0
Hughes 59'

SOUTHAMPTON 2  COVENTRY 2

WIMBLEDON 5   OLDHAM 2
Ardley 2
Holdsworth 2
Clark

ASTON VILLA 2  NOTTM FOREST 1
Regis 35'      ??????? 10'
McGrath 46'

QPR      1   CRYSTAL PALACE 3     att: 14,571
Penrice 35'  McGoldrick 46', 88'
             Armstrong 77'

LEEDS     3  SHEFFIELD WED 1
Speed        Nillson
Chapman
Varadi

SHEFFIELD UNITED 1  EVERTON 0      att:16,266
Littlejohn 36'

IPSWICH  3  MAN CITY 1


First Division
Swindon  1  Tranmere 2 (match abandoned after 51mins due to floodlight failure)
Derby    3  Birmgham 1
Millwall 2  Grimsby  1
Peterbro 1  Portsmth 1
Sundrlnd 1  Brentfrd 3
West Ham 2  Southend 0
Wolves   1  Luton    2
???????? 1  Cambrdge 0 


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From: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele --> PELE OF COURSE!
Reply-To: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:48:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.174952.7026@gw.wmich.edu>, x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> The simple fact that Maradona has played for a lesser number of years
|> and that he has mixed drugs and play/sport, makes Pele' a better player.
|> 
|> Enrique


What would have happened with Pele if he had been living with the same pessure on his shoulders as Maradona has from the media, his fans etc. ?


Per Annar
From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: #BRAZIL-GERMANY ???
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:29:01
Organization: Institute of Genetics/Dept. Virology, Cologne, Germany
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In-reply-to: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl's message of Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:38:13 GMT

Although Brazil played fascinating soccer and could have scored 3 or 5
goals more, it is a long way to the WC94. At the moment the
worldchampion Germany should not be considered a strong team! The
'chemestry' of this team is not working yet (hopefully). In addition,
in the Brazil match, you had seen a new team with two newcomers. You
definitly won't see this team again in this combination. I doubt that
the German team would qualify for the WC94, regarding their latest
performances. Maybe their poor appearance at the moment is a
consequence of the fact, that they only play friendlies(?).
Nevertheless, be cautious to rank Brazil that high for the WC94. To be
a favorite could be a problem for them, like many times before. I
would like to see soccer like this winning in the end ....

greetings
       Chris
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