From: dwalker@reno.bellcore.com (Derek Walker)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Bell Communications Research;  Morristown, NJ
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.164847.19499@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
|> wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:
|> 
|> >William, from where I sit your argument seems to have, degenerated into
|> >unthinking, flag-waving dogma.
|> 
|> why all the commas?
|> 
|> >Why is the U.S. a better place than Canada for blacks to live ?
|> 
|> Because how many Canadian chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff R black?
|> How many Canadian Government officials are black?
|> How many Canadian Black people are there?
|> Does Canada spend as much money on black people as the U.S. (NOT).

None of these questions correlate to why the U.S. is a better place for blacks
to live.  Does Canada even have a Joint Chiefs of Staff?  And even if they
did, it doesn't relate to how good the place is to live.  The same argument can 
be applied to the number of black Canadian government officials.  The number of
black people in a country, as has been said MANY times before, has no meaning in
determining how good the country is for black people to live.  Neither does, for
many reasons, the amount of money the country spends. (See previous posts).

|> >In which country is a black male more likely to be incarcerated ?
|> 
|> Tell them to stop committing crimes.

William, the question was "In which country are black males MORE LIKELY TO BE
INCARCERATED?", not "more likely to commit crimes."  There are many black males
who are incarcerated WITHOUT committing crimes.  I am willing to bet that if
the statistics could be ACURATELY collected on the percentage of innocent black
males in jail in the US vs. Canada, the US would have a higher percentage.  

|> >In which country is a black male more likely to be murdered ?
|> 
|> 
|> By another BLACK man? Remember my previous argument against Silly
|> Bigot Sistah's thesis: Black people are killing BLACK people every day.

In other words, a black man from the U.S. is more violent than a black man from
another country.  If you truly believe this, then have you ever stopped to wonder
why?  It may very well have to do with his environment in which he lives.  
Maybe the U.S. is not so great to it's black people after all.

|> >In which country do blacks have a lower life expectancy ?
|> 
|> Canada

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I would just like to know on what source you
base your answer on.

|> >In which country is a black child less likely to get an equitable 
|> >education ?
|> 
|> We have Head Start. 

If we NEED Head Start in the U.S., then wouldn't that alone go to show that 
the education system is not equal?  

|> >In which country is a black child more likely to grow up in a demoralizing
|> >ghetto, an urban war zone ?
|> 
|> It's the violent black people that vandalize and kill in these areas.
|> Your home is what YOU make it. You spray painted the wall, can't blame
|> whitey. YOU smoked crack. Can't blame whitey. YOU carry the nine. Can't
|> blame whitey for your alternative choices as an individual.

We are all victims of our society.  If the society is oppressive, then we rebel
against it.  Let's not forget where the guns and crack and other negative
objects come from.  They are sold in these "ghettos" through the guise of the
free enterprise system.  The people who are getting the richest off of all
of these atrocities (drug abuse, weapons "abuse") are not the black people
in these communities, but rather non-black "businessmen" who are probably more
accepted in our society than the average "crackhead". It's all part of the free
market economy - The American Way.

|> >In which country is a black more likely to be subjected to demoralizng 
|> >drug profile stops, police harrassment and brutality ?
|>
|> So if a black person is using drugs in the United States police are
|> supposed to look the other way?
|> (On a sidenote, I DO hope that the LAPD officers get what they deserve).

So, is a person who "fits the drug profile," even if he/she never touched the 
stuff, supposed to change his/her appearance in order that they won't get 
harassed by police?  Should blacks fitting this profile, or any profile, stay 
out of white neighbors so as to not bring attention to themselves?  

Think about your responses from another point of view.
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