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From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: STOP IT!!!  (& When it Rains it Pours)
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.001748.2964@sequent.com> karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz) writes:

>
>Two sorta bad ones in one week.  hmmmmm...  I didn't think I had
>become too complacent (I'm generally very safety conscious) but
>the evidence would seem to suggest otherwise.  If these things run
>in three's I'm not looking forward to the next one...  Anyone else
>have any runs of fortune like this?
>

Well since we're talking about injuries ...

I was getting on my horse when some kind person in the stable
decided to bang a metal bucket or something, this caused my
horse (Khalif) to leap sideways. Unfortunately I just haapened
to have one foot in the stirrup and the other in mid-air over his
back. I then found myself in a rather ludicrous position, with
nothing but ground a metre below me. When I hit that Khalif
decided to jump out of the way of this idiot throwing himself 
on the ground and, just for good measure, kicked me in the thigh
while doing it. A very colourful bruise resulted from that. About
an hour later while riding through the bush I managed to not
quite miss a tree with my knee, (same leg!). Walking was not an
easy task for a few days.

THE FOLLOWING STUFF IS ABOUT THOSE GIF FILES I HAVE FOR FTP
-----------------------------------------------------------

It's just some directions for those who might be having trouble
getting them. I've had quite a bit of email on this subject.
-----------------------------------------------------------

A lot of people seem interested in the horse gifs that
I made available. A few people have had a few problems
trying to get them so I thought I'd give some instructions
on what to do.

From your Unix prompt enter:

ftp commsun.its.csiro.au

When you get the login prompt enter:

anonymous

When you are asked for a password enter your email address.
You should then get a prompt that looks like this   ftp>
Next, enter:

cd /staff/jen187

If you now issue the command  ls  you should see two files,
ozhorse1.gif  and  ozhorse2.gif. To get these files enter:

type binary

.. and then

get ozhorse1.gif

This will then (hopefully) start the transfer to your machine.
To finish the session enter:

quit  OR  bye

If you have any problems with this, feel free to email me:

graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au

Last weekend I took a lot of photos at the Canberra City
endurance ride. I hope to scan in the best of those in the
near future. I'll leave a message here when it happens.


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen@waffle.sns.com (jennifer warshaw)
Subject: Horse to Sponsor?
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 10:17:00 PDT

Hi, I am new to this group.  I am an adult who rode for
most of my childhood and adolescence, I cannot afford an
entire horse of my own but am saving for one for my
11 year old daughter and I to share.  I would like to
start riding again and would like any information about
good riding programs in the Fremont, CA. area or anyone
who would like to exchange riding priviledges for money
and help with upkeep.  I have ridden dressage, endurance,
three-day eventing, and even learned roping at one
point.  I would mostly like to trail ride at this poine
and am familliar with endurance conditioning.
If anyone out there has any ideas for me... please
Email me at jen@waffle.sns.com.  I conditioned horses
for Jim Steere, DVM and Mary Tiscornia in this area and
can probably get some references (though its been 5
years since I've ridden regularly) Oh, my daughter
is away at school this year so the riding priviledges
would just be for me.  Thanks for any input.

----
jen@waffle.sns.com  (jennifer warshaw)
Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mel@zadallv.wimsey.bc.ca (Melanie The Great)
Subject: Re: What to do on a "European Vacation"?
Organization: Zadall Systems Group, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:33:04 GMT
Keywords: Netherlands

  Before I went to Europe I contacted the Canadian Equestrian
Federation and they had the list of upcoming FEI events, which
they faxed to me.  It covered virtually every discipline including
driving and vaulting.   I found a couple of events that were happening 
in the area/time frame I was going to be there (there are SO MANY
FEI events you'll probably find something, although things do slow
down in the fall).

Their fax number is (613) 741 - 9622, or you may know of a local
body that can give you the same list.

Have fun!!
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: When will the bad luck end (was Stop IT!!)
Keywords: accident streaks
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:09:34 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz) writes:

> (stuff deleted)
> Two sorta bad ones in one week.  hmmmmm...  I didn't think I had
> become too complacent (I'm generally very safety conscious) but
> the evidence would seem to suggest otherwise.  If these things run
> in three's I'm not looking forward to the next one...  Anyone else
> have any runs of fortune like this?

My run of bad luck stopped after two, but it may have more to do with the
second one putting me out of horse action for 6 months :-).  The first one
was July 4th weekend (kicked above the knee - no broken bones but 5
stiches and slight tactile nerve damage) and the second one was Labor Day
weekend (fractured 3 bones in my back).  No problems since I've back with
the beasties however.

Good luck with the toes - foot injuries can be sooo painful.

Judy

        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.        
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: frv@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Frank Vaughn)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Truck recomendations wanted
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:36:52 GMT
Reply-To: frv@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Frank Vaughn)
Distribution: na
Organization: StPaul

I am currently looking for a truck to pull horse trailers with. The trailer I
now have is a 4 horse custom w/ 6 ft dressing room, 24 foot long, bumper
pull, and is VERY heavy. It is possible I will be going to a 6 horse in the 
future, so must take this into account also.

Candidates:

        Dodge 350 w/ cummins - from what I hear this is the truck of choice,
                                however Dodge does not make a crew cab which
                                would be very nice to have.

        Ford 350 w/ ? - This seems to be the second choice and does have a
                        crew cab option, but I don't know about the engines.
                        Does Ford have a good diesel(not a converted gas)?

General:

        I am leaning towards a 5 speed manual trans. as I have never
        trusted the automatics.

        What is the general opinion on when you must go to dual wheels?

Any advice, comments, experiences, would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.

               Frank Vaughn 
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: info needed on Pigeon fever
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:08:40 GMT

I would appreciate any information on Pigeon Fever.  My horse was
diagnosed last WEdnesday by the Vet.  She told me:

-Can't give any antibiotics as it slows the formation of an abcess
that can be lanced

-Hot pack the abcess as much as possible

-It's not contagious-it's transmitted by flies

-To call her when the abcess has made a head and she will come out
and lance and clean it

-check temperature daily

I have been doing all this and if anything the abcess and resulting
edema have been reducing themselves-there doesn't seem to be
anything there to BE lanced.  I need to call her back Monday but am
wondering if anyone else has experience with this.  The swelling has
been on the stomach.

She did say it is real important to do fly control and that the most
important place to put fly wipe is on the stomach.  She also
recommended Poridon.  YOu paint a little bead of the stuff from the
poll all down the neck and back and it is supposed to last a week.
She thinks it is the best fly repellant on the market and uses it on
her own horsess

She also said that the bacteria that causes Pigeon fever stays in
the body for years and some horses have recurrent outbreaks.  She
said if the abcess are internal the horse can die.

Any comment?

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: amo@cbnews.cb.att.com (arlene.m.osborne)
Subject: TRAGIC ACCIDENT
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:08:49 GMT

Found this on another board:

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ERIC JOHNSON)
Subject: Poisonous yew leaves blamed for Lippizaner stallion deaths
Keywords: legal investigations, legal, animals, human interest, fairs
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:54:37 GMT


	GALESBURG, Ill. (UPI) -- Veterinarians Saturday blamed poisonous
Japanese yew leaves for the deaths of three rare white Lippizaner
stallions that collapsed while touring western Illinois with a national
troupe.
	Two of the horses died within a five-minute span Friday night during
a performance at Western Illinois University in Macomb. One collapsed on
stage and the other backstage at the Western Hall arena, officials said.
	A third horse with the show died early Saturday at a stable in Milan
after returning by truck from the show.
	The bodies of the horses were taken to the Illinois Agriculture
Department's Animal Disease Laboratory in Galesburg, where state
veterinarians determined they had suffered cardiac arrest after eating
Japanese yew leaves.
	Handlers with the Wonderful World of Horses Show accidentally let the
horses munch the yew leaves, which contain the toxic chemical taxine,
outside the WIU arena before Friday's performance, said Gary Lashinsky,
a show spokesman.
	``These horses must have eaten just a little bit. It doesn't take
much,'' said Lashinsky, who produces tours for Entertainment Specialists
Ltd. of Winter Park, Fla.
	The three rare horses -- stallions from a world-famous stock developed
400 years ago for Austrian royalty -- were ``priceless,'' Lashinsky said.
They were among 16 Lippizaners touring the Midwest this month.
	In the show's 22 years ``we've never had anything like this before.
It's a terrible accident,'' Lashinsky said.
	However, the show will go on. Lashinsky said understudies were to
replace the dead horses for a show in Des Moines, Iowa, Saturday night.


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: Slaughter Houses (LONG)
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:00:27 GMT

In article <L4P74TF@math.fu-berlin.de> ring@inf.fu-berlin.de (Rod J. Ring) writes:
>So, my question is:  why are people so shocked when they hear about
>horses being slaughtered, but don't give a damn about exactly the same
>thing happening to other animals?  What's the difference between the
>killing of *any* horse and the killing of any cattle?
	

	It's still shocking though for flesh-eaters to realize that
	their horse could suffer the same fate as "food animals" 
	who are "supposed" to be killed and eaten.  After all,
	they care about their friend and feel responsible.
	
	Lots of us DON'T eat cows and sheep and pigs for the
	precise reason that there _is_ no difference.  It doesn't
	matter to me whether I knew the animal or not, I don't
	want to support the animal-eating/abuse industry.

	Robin
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Slaughter Houses (LONG)
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:36:22 GMT
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Warning--description of what happens after they go up the
chute follows...

This is what the vet told me when I asked him what happens
to a horse at this particular packing plant in eastern
Conneticut.  He didn't hold back, so I won't either.
I don't know how much practises vary.

The horse goes up the chute into a small stall, which is
closed behind him.

The workman then shoots a "bolt" into the horse's brain.
The bolt is a steel pin powered by a pneumatic gun.  Dick
Francis fans will recall a similar device as the center
of one of his mystery novels.  It was described as what
vets used to destroy horses in England before injections
were used.

Ideally, and in almost all cases, the bolt kills the horse
instantly.  In rare circumstances, particularly if the horse
jerks its head violently at the wrong time, the first
bolt shot does not kill the horse and has to be repeated.
Usually, in these rare circumstances, the horse is stunned
enough that the second shot succeeds.

The horse is then lifted on a crane via a hind leg and
moved over to be "hided" (skinned).  I only bring this
part up because he brought it up.  He said that he had
seen a few horses shuddering at this point.  He said that
he believed that they were either dead and this was just
nerve action, or the horse was very close to total death.
He said he believed they were certainly unaware and not capable
of feeling pain.

He didn't go further and that suited me fine.

I asked him if he thought it was a humane death.  He
paused for a bit and said he thought it was "reasonably
humane".  I took this to mean that he thought some
improvement could be made, but that it was not torture
or cruel.

To me, there's just enough uncertainty here that I'd
rather pay the money to have the vet do it than risk
a concatenation of bad happenstance.


Linda B. Merims




Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: 8 Re: sentementality
Keywords: Breeding Lame Horses
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:34:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.023351.24003@athena.mit.edu>, aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
|> Why would anyone in their right mind want to use an unsound horse for
|> *breeding* purposes??  I've often read that "Oh, if the horse breaks
|> down we can always use him/her for breeding" and it makes absolutely
|> no sense to me, since the aim of breeding should be to produce *sound*
|> servicable horses, not promote a flawed line.  Unless the unsoundness
|> is definitely not hereditary (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
|> believe vets have proved everything that is and is not hereditary yet)
|> why would one breed a horse that obviously has soundness problems?
|> I'm not trying to start a flame war, I don't know much about the specifics
|> of breeding, but this has always puzzled me.
|> 
|> Karen Karlssonn
|> --
|> ----
|> Karen Karlsson on Joakim Karlsson's account
|> aviator@athena.mit.edu
|> ----

I don't understand this either, though it seems to be done often.
I know that I would continue to breed my mare if she became unsound due to an
injury (for example, if she cut up her legs too bad on a fence to be
rideable but was otherwise healthy--knock on wood here), but I would not 
breed her if there was any  possibility that she would pass on any traits for 
unsoundness.  (No legs, no horse)

I would also not breed a mare with a bad disposition.  Even though this
may not be genetic (for example, the horse might have been abused), the foal will
learn its first lessons in manners (including how to react to the two-leggeds) 
from its mother.  I would not breed to a stallion with a bad disposition 
because I would not want to take the risk that this might be inherited.

Mary Lee Raines
Ravenswood Appaloosas
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: <None>
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:28:38 EST
Organization: Wright State University 



There are pulling contests at the local fairs here in Ohio.   I LOVE to
go and see the 'big uns' compete.  Profanity and whips are forbidden by
the rules, the horses are always in excellent condition and groomed to
the 'inth degree.  I have NEVER seen anyone mistreat a draft horse at any
of these competitions.  After reading the story about the man who 'rescued'
the pulling horses, I wonder if he might have been an Animal Rights
activist.  I've heard of some really screwy behavior out of them.  The
AR group on the net has several wild and crazy people on it who consider
any activity involving use of horses as cruelty. 

Sue
From: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Susan Grocott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Washing leather breeches (Was: Re: Custom Pants)
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:10:07 GMT
Reply-To: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Sue Grocott)
Organization: AES Headquarters, Environment Canada, Toronto, Canada

In article <1992Oct6.172753.21373@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade) writes:
>
> ... but full leather seat is a pain to wash (by hand) and
>hang dry.  Does anyone have suggestions for washing? 

There's two products on sale at my local tack shop for washing breeches:

One is called 'Pepede' and the other is made by Schumacher (as in the brand
name breeches).  I understand both come from Germany.  Anyway, I wash all my
leather-based breeches in cold water in the washing machine with this stuff.
I usually buy the Pepede ('cos it's more often in stock).  I don't know much
about it - the whole bottle's covered in German writing :-).  It's not cheap
but it's good stuff.

I've also been told that Murphy's Oil Soap works too - but I've had much
better results with the expensive stuff :-)  If your local tack shop hasn't
heard of this stuff I could check at mine to see if there's a North American
distributor or something.

Sue Grocott


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tubben@nmsu.edu (UBBEN)
Subject: horse activity in colorado
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec.equestrian
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:18:06 GMT

Hey:
I am new to this newsgroup and am delighted by the variety of equine
related topics and discussion that abound.  In January, I want to try
and move up to the Denver/Boulder area, but before I make a
commitment, I would like to find out about horse related activites in
that area--trainers (western, reining or western riding or english,
hunter/jumpers, dresage) Barns, rides, trails --almost anything.  For
the first time in my life, I might be in a financial position
favorable to owning my own horse, but I would also like to find a
trainer that might need help (not a paying position more than
likely)--I can provide references.  If anyone knows anybody in this
area, I would *really* appreciate any info.  Thanks.

TS Ubben, tubben@nmsu.edu
From: taguser@nmdoc.sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Body clipper advice needed
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:14:52 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)


I have had a pair of Sunbeam Clippers for 25 years now and they have never
failed me. I was surprised to here of problems with them. I have many friends
who use them and have never heard them complain of problems either. One of my
freinds has Polo Ponies which get body clipped every year. She is probably 
responsible for clipping at least 50 horses each winter. She has never had
any problem with them and does subject them to a fair amount of abuse. I 
personally recomend the purchase of these clippers from the experiences I have
had. It has been my observation that your best bet to buy these clippers is
by browsing through the different mail order catalogs and looking for the
lowest price. I have noticed that the price will differ as much as 40 dollars
depending on where you look. I just saw them the other day in a catalog for
a very resonable price, unfortunately I can't remember the name of the catalog.
In general the types of catalogs that usually have the better prices are not
the ones that sell all types of tack and riding apparel but are the ones that
sell wormers, vacines, grooming products etc.

I hope this helps. I also hope I am successful in getting this posted as this
will be my first try at a response.

Jacquie
ZZ
From: ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Body clipper advice needed
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:14:23 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

I bought the Stewart/Sunbeam variable speed EW610 from R. C Steele mail
order about 18 months ago and have used then heavily with no problems.
the price was $137.00, including shipping.  I would definitely pay the
extra (@ $10.00) for the variable speed, as they are quieter at the
slower speed.  Great for those ticklish places!  I had them 5 days after
I called.  They carry a good selection of clippers, from trimmers to
the heavy-duty body clippers, plus blades and other accessories.  You
can't beat their prices.  They are primarily a dog supplier, aimed at
kennels/breeders, hence the $50.00 minimum order charge.
                         Karin Tracy and THE MIGHTY MORGANS
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dahead00@nx28.mik.uky.edu (Zippidy Do Dah)
Subject: Re: Pulling contests
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:39:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.211349.3368@u.washington.edu>  
jespah@carson.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> woit@qucis.queensu.ca (Denise Woit) writes:
> >They are percheron horses. They were used, as apparently most 

I don't know about poor treatment of pulling horses but the farm I used to  
work for (thoroughbred) had a percheron they had imported from France and  
was HUGE...  Although she was a good spirited mare we always gave her lots  
of room as the one time she did get cranky she about kicked the barn down.   
It would seem kind of improbable that anyone would be stupid enough to  
mistreat this breed as they could easily wind up in the hospital.  IMHO I  
think it is highly unlkly that these horses would stand for being whipped  
so these reports sound sorta false to me ...but I could be wrong
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Slaughter Houses (LONG)
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:25:57 GMT
    <1992Oct7.143622.27327@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Linda describes the use of a pneumatic gun with a bolt to kill horses in
slaughter-houses. I don't know much about the subject, but I believe this is
the same device that I have also heard called a "humane killer" or a captive-
bolt pistol. I've seen the humane killer reference in some British literature
(it may have been Dick Francis), and I've seen reference to captive-bolt
pistol in some slaughterhouse descriptions. I believe they're just different
names for the same device.
Anyway, I recently saw some animal rights propaganda criticizing slaughter-
houses for *not* using the captive-bolt pistol to kill the animal before
slitting its throat. According to the literature, some slaughter-houses
claim it's too expensive; the literature claimed it costs 1 cent per 
animal.
Apparently it is a fairly humane way of killing the animal, but it's not
always used. I know that a lot of the animal-rights hysteria is way off base,
but they might be right in this situation. It raises enough doubt in my mind
that I wouldn't send a horse to slaughter unless I *knew* exactly what was
going to happen. I'd rather spend a few bucks to have a vet put him down and
have the dog food folks haul him away and be able to sleep that night than
haul him to a slaughter house and watch him walk up the chute and wonder.
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